| 00:00.08 | bullgard4 | How can I append 4000 records of a CSV file to a Kexi table? |
| 00:00.36 | capiira | its the site that sucks :) |
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| 00:00.57 | wfq | can anyone give me an url of example for a divx video? |
| 00:01.12 | capiira | i did above |
| 00:01.17 | capiira | scroll up |
| 00:01.34 | ixion | that link dont work |
| 00:01.44 | capiira | yeah his site is broken |
| 00:01.57 | ixion | the first link does |
| 00:02.02 | ixion | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/movies/ |
| 00:02.24 | capiira | i would like to test divx by versions but cant find sample movies |
| 00:02.30 | ixion | hmm maybe not |
| 00:02.37 | craigevil | http://www.movieforumz.com/showthread.php?t=41374 should work |
| 00:04.18 | craigevil | thread over at LQ.org on getting divx working > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=574736 |
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| 00:06.41 | capiira | works fine http://stage6.divx.com/DivX-Film-Festival/video/1100883/Example-of-a-DivX-file-with-advanced-features |
| 00:06.50 | ixion | you know those IPCOP, m0n0wall easy to use firewalls... are there any others I should know about ? |
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| 00:09.03 | capiira | firestarter maybe |
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| 00:12.29 | ixion | firestarter is a bit to simple |
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| 00:13.39 | atperez | wfq: I can watch those sample clips in the link given by capiira |
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| 00:20.08 | ixion | nice divx site thing |
| 00:20.13 | ixion | completely distracted me |
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| 00:22.54 | wfq | ateperez me too know but as capiira said my spanish site is a crap :) |
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| 00:26.24 | Boricua2875 | Hello all can someone give me a clue as to what an error message is. I have googled and cannot find an answer |
| 00:26.32 | felix_ | :: How About You: "Nirvana - Rape Me" Shut The Fuck Up. |
| 00:26.36 | felix_ | eh |
| 00:26.43 | Boricua2875 | here is the message |
| 00:26.45 | Boricua2875 | TCP: Treason uncloaked! |
| 00:27.02 | stoned | what is fucking 'retard night' in #debian tonight |
| 00:27.07 | stoned | wtf is this man |
| 00:27.51 | felix_ | i have a question, is it possible, if your running Ubuntu, is there any way to edit shit so its just Debian without having to do a fresh install? |
| 00:28.03 | stoned | felix_: no. |
| 00:28.12 | felix_ | well that sucks |
| 00:28.13 | felix_ | :| |
| 00:28.30 | wfq | can anyone any english website when users can watch movies and series on live? |
| 00:28.32 | stoned | you can start to install debian in another partition from ubuntu |
| 00:28.36 | felix | aahh... "me_" |
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| 00:28.41 | felix_ | holy shit |
| 00:28.45 | felix_ | O.O |
| 00:29.14 | wfq | ubuntu, what's that? |
| 00:29.22 | stoned | !ubuntu |
| 00:29.22 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 00:29.48 | felix_ | well, the thing is, i went from using Kubuntu, to Ubuntu, and im just tired of everything being so fucking buggy |
| 00:30.05 | stoned | !d-i felix_ |
| 00:30.06 | dpkg | felix_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 00:30.35 | wfq | stones, I know what Ubuntu is, was just being sarcastic :) |
| 00:30.44 | wfq | stoned, sorry |
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| 00:34.38 | spheard | When I do the odd dnsstuff my nameserver doesnt always respond. Its an openVZ VPS running on a sparc box, all debian apart from the kernel patch. Is this a bad setup for a nameserver? |
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| 00:34.54 | NicNac | Hi, is there anyone here that is good with grub? |
| 00:35.12 | spheard | NicNac depends what ya wanna do |
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| 00:36.21 | NicNac | well I have debian on hda and it boots fine but I installed a second linux os to hdb now I think it installed its own grub to hdb and I cant for the life of me figure out how to get the secondos to work |
| 00:36.36 | NicNac | any ideas? |
| 00:36.47 | stoned | hey |
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| 00:38.11 | OceanSpray | hello |
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| 00:38.43 | Muisje | Could someone explain me why "1,6,11,16,21,26,31,36,41,46,51,56 * * * *" isn't executing each 5 seconds? |
| 00:38.49 | Muisje | (Crontab) |
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| 00:39.00 | petemc | Muisje: cron doesnt do seconds |
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| 00:39.23 | Muisje | you gotta be shitting me? |
| 00:39.41 | petemc | no |
| 00:39.45 | Muisje | why not? ;s |
| 00:39.52 | petemc | while : ; do command ; sleep 5 ; done |
| 00:40.00 | Muisje | lol... |
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| 00:40.06 | Muisje | i ask why it doesn't do it. |
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| 00:40.15 | petemc | what would you like to hear? |
| 00:40.23 | Muisje | Why doesn't crontab do seconds? |
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| 00:40.46 | Nikolas1994 | !google dual boot windows xp debian |
| 00:40.56 | Muisje | What is the reason behind that |
| 00:40.56 | OceanSpray | because programmers are lazy and sometimes not every single little feature gets implemented. |
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| 00:41.06 | OceanSpray | there's your answer |
| 00:41.15 | Muisje | That's a stupid explanation |
| 00:41.22 | petemc | its a stupid question |
| 00:41.23 | Nikolas1994 | !tell Nikolas1994 dual boot windows xp debian |
| 00:41.27 | OceanSpray | Muisje, do you come here often? |
| 00:41.29 | Muisje | No it is not. |
| 00:41.34 | OceanSpray | yes it is. |
| 00:41.43 | OceanSpray | Why doesn't Debian do my dishes? |
| 00:42.08 | Muisje | OceanSpray i "idle" here all day since like april |
| 00:42.08 | semprix | 0_o |
| 00:42.09 | semprix | hello guys |
| 00:42.31 | Muisje | Look, when crontab was written, they might have had a REASON why they did not implement seconds as crontabs |
| 00:42.35 | simonrvn | !fgi Nikolas1994 dual+boot+windows+xp+debian |
| 00:42.35 | dpkg | Nikolas1994: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=dual+boot+windows+xp+debian |
| 00:43.05 | petemc | Muisje: you're demanding that someone here tell you, if you're that interested, go look it up yourself |
| 00:43.11 | simonrvn | Muisje: and that makes you an expert? |
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| 00:43.34 | Muisje | i never said i was an expert |
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| 00:44.03 | Muisje | petemc, i was just interested if someone knew why |
| 00:44.05 | petemc | Muisje: perhaps opening files to check if a command needs to be run every second isnt the best idea |
| 00:44.18 | Muisje | You could've said that directly |
| 00:44.30 | petemc | it didnt occur to me |
| 00:44.36 | petemc | also, your attitude stinks |
| 00:44.46 | Muisje | so don't smell. |
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| 00:44.55 | petemc | ok, i wont |
| 00:45.12 | yigal | is there an easy way to read a DBM file? |
| 00:45.51 | yigal | there continuously appears a file called 'yes' whose type, found by the tool 'file' is DBM i would like to try and read it |
| 00:46.05 | spheard | You could use watch to execute something every five seconds |
| 00:46.08 | sabbat | [10:38] <Muisje> Could someone explain me why "1,6,11,16,21,26,31,36,41,46,51,56 * * * *" isn't executing each 5 seconds? <-- who the hell writes a crontab like that anyways |
| 00:46.10 | yigal | appears == appears when i don't expect it to in places i don't want to see strange files |
| 00:46.15 | spheard | Muisje |
| 00:46.29 | petemc | spheard: i already suggested a command he could use, seems hes not interested |
| 00:46.30 | yigal | sabbat: those refer to minutes not seconds |
| 00:46.38 | sabbat | i know |
| 00:46.42 | spheard | oh |
| 00:46.50 | sabbat | */5 <-- better option |
| 00:46.51 | yigal | sabbat: ah, a joke funny |
| 00:46.58 | Muisje | thanks sabbat |
| 00:47.12 | simonrvn | 1/5 |
| 00:47.24 | yigal | */12 |
| 00:47.35 | spheard | wouldnt 1/5 do it every 20 secs |
| 00:47.45 | spheard | exactly |
| 00:47.50 | yigal | 60/5 = 12 |
| 00:47.51 | ixion | eh? how can I be getting 1200k/s on a 8mbit connection |
| 00:47.55 | sabbat | */5 * * * * will execute something every 5 minutes |
| 00:47.57 | simonrvn | that's vixie cron thing, plus gnu extensions (IIRC). that's not always present in other cron |
| 00:48.09 | simonrvn | spheard: no |
| 00:48.14 | ixion | yeh thats impossible wtf |
| 00:48.16 | simonrvn | it's not division... |
| 00:48.28 | spheard | crons some weird thingy synax |
| 00:48.30 | stoned | simonrvn: hi |
| 00:48.33 | spheard | syntax |
| 00:48.39 | simonrvn | hello stoned |
| 00:48.44 | sabbat | manpages = win |
| 00:48.47 | simonrvn | man 5 crontab |
| 00:48.50 | yigal | sabbat: the same as 1,6,11,16 except not on the exact minutes |
| 00:48.54 | stoned | man man, man |
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| 00:48.56 | stoned | :) |
| 00:49.00 | sabbat | and that's my 2 cents |
| 00:49.06 | yigal | sabbat: ty |
| 00:49.27 | yigal | so can anyone tell me how to read a DBM file |
| 00:49.35 | simonrvn | cat -v |
| 00:49.36 | stoned | simonrvn: how are you feeling? |
| 00:49.39 | simonrvn | less -r |
| 00:49.43 | spheard | Muisje out of interest, what do you want to run every 5 seconds? |
| 00:49.49 | stoned | more -pot? |
| 00:49.50 | stoned | :D |
| 00:49.54 | yigal | simonrvn: yes but it is encrypted or at least not human readable |
| 00:49.59 | simonrvn | stoned: slightly frustrated, and slightly bored |
| 00:50.01 | spheard | more -cider |
| 00:50.08 | spheard | and -shrooms |
| 00:50.13 | yigal | spheard: stout for me always |
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| 00:50.20 | simonrvn | STDOUT |
| 00:50.21 | Muisje | spheard, well i can easily change it to run the application every 5 minutes |
| 00:50.21 | stoned | simonrvn: I am right there with ya on the bored part... as for frustration, I'm stoned dude |
| 00:50.24 | stoned | :) |
| 00:50.31 | Muisje | and make it execute 4.9 minutesd |
| 00:50.33 | yigal | simonrvn: :) |
| 00:50.49 | spheard | He knew he could do it but he just got high |
| 00:50.49 | Muisje | so i workaround that it runs every 5 sec :p |
| 00:50.59 | Muisje | i was just wondering if crontab already supported it |
| 00:51.05 | spheard | Muisje change what? |
| 00:51.10 | Muisje | And i thought the first row of crontab did seconds |
| 00:51.11 | spheard | Oh, I see |
| 00:51.16 | simonrvn | usually not worth it coming here on the weekend, or fridays. all the cluebies show up... |
| 00:51.19 | spheard | watch would do it better |
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| 00:51.28 | yigal | atd |
| 00:51.45 | spheard | watch -interval=5 <comand> & |
| 00:51.47 | Muisje | spheard, wether i execute the file 5 minutes each 5 minutes or run it trough watch |
| 00:51.59 | stoned | simonrvn: I know, I already noticed the 'Retard Convention' in here |
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| 00:52.06 | Muisje | no real difference and modifying the file itself is better in my opinion so |
| 00:52.06 | spheard | and whats that thing for making it run in the background |
| 00:52.22 | spheard | hup? |
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| 00:52.41 | yigal | so no one knows how to make a DBM file human readable, or is at least willing to tell me? |
| 00:52.49 | simonrvn | man hup; man bash;/bg |
| 00:53.02 | simonrvn | yigal: it's binary data, not encrypted |
| 00:53.04 | bullgard4 | How can I append 4000 records of a CSV file or a Kexi table to an existing Kexi table? |
| 00:53.17 | yigal | simonrvn: its encrypted in the sense that I as a human can't read it |
| 00:53.21 | simonrvn | #debian-kde |
| 00:53.44 | stoned | simonrvn: moved to oftc didn't it? |
| 00:53.48 | simonrvn | yigal: that's not encryption, just not human readable (by most humans ;) |
| 00:53.52 | yigal | simonrvn: fine for my interest encrypted == not human readable |
| 00:54.07 | yigal | simonrvn: you are right there are those few |
| 00:54.09 | simonrvn | stoned: probably |
| 00:54.27 | stoned | i need faster ram |
| 00:54.35 | simonrvn | bullgard4: see that channel on irc.oftc.net if there's no one but you there on this network ;) |
| 00:54.36 | yigal | stoned: not a faster hd |
| 00:54.49 | stoned | they cost too much |
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| 00:54.58 | yigal | stoned: ram or hd? |
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| 00:55.03 | simonrvn | effing argumentative cluebies |
| 00:55.06 | yigal | stoned: both :) |
| 00:55.12 | stoned | can't see speed increase really until you move to 15k rpm |
| 00:55.22 | stoned | which is shitloads of money and not enough diskspace |
| 00:55.30 | stoned | faster ram is cheap these days |
| 00:55.36 | stoned | have you seen the prices on ddr2? |
| 00:55.39 | spheard | you wanna get some raid striping going on |
| 00:55.46 | spheard | that shit is whack |
| 00:55.47 | stoned | only with 15 rpm |
| 00:55.51 | stoned | k |
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| 00:55.59 | yigal | stoned: its beautfiul I came in with 4mb being a lot and I was told about the glory days of TRS80 etc |
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| 00:56.28 | stoned | simonrvn: heya hoya heya hoya Peace... Shanti... OMMM... fuck em dude, who the fuck are they, right? selective ignorance is bliss |
| 00:56.48 | simonrvn | que? |
| 00:56.57 | stoned | talking about them cluebies |
| 00:57.03 | simonrvn | *blink* heh |
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| 00:57.07 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 00:57.22 | spheard | 1337 |
| 00:57.23 | stoned | simonrvn: I'm saying relax, go do it, if you wanna go do it, say RELAX, go do it, if you wanna go do it |
| 00:57.23 | simonrvn | i'm just in a bitchy mood today nm me |
| 00:57.35 | stoned | :) |
| 00:57.59 | stoned | however that song goes |
| 00:58.03 | stoned | I heard in the movie Zoolander |
| 00:58.07 | stoned | its very catchy |
| 00:58.08 | yigal | fuck leet |
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| 00:58.21 | stoned | man |
| 00:58.26 | spheard | It was social commentary |
| 00:58.28 | stoned | I'm so leet, I shit binary poop |
| 00:58.49 | yigal | i would like to shit binary |
| 00:59.05 | stoned | simonrvn: alright man, I'm gonna relax now |
| 00:59.09 | stoned | simonrvn: you watch movies? |
| 00:59.14 | spheard | you cant beat analog shit |
| 00:59.21 | stoned | transformers was pretty good |
| 00:59.23 | bullgard4 | simonrvn: I do not understand your answer very well. Please say it in other words. I have found a channel #debian-kde on irc.freenode. But it appears not to be alive. |
| 00:59.26 | stoned | kinda |
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| 00:59.40 | stoned | bullgard4: try #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:59.46 | stoned | er.. |
| 00:59.48 | stoned | irc.debian.org |
| 00:59.51 | simonrvn | bullgard4: try on the irc.oftc.net network for that channel |
| 01:00.04 | stoned | !oftc |
| 01:00.05 | dpkg | i heard oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 01:00.06 | simonrvn | stoned: yeh i do |
| 01:00.17 | stoned | simonrvn: have you seen the illusionist |
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| 01:00.21 | stoned | with edward norton? |
| 01:00.31 | stoned | it is a very good film |
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| 01:01.03 | yigal | i just saw the big labowski for the 2nd time - great movie |
| 01:01.54 | simonrvn | stoned: the movies in the last several years i haven't seen due to high ticket prices (only recently did we start to see cheapie tuesdays again...) |
| 01:02.06 | simonrvn | stoned: (for the most part) |
| 01:02.18 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:02.21 | stoned | yeh they do cost a bundle |
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| 01:04.05 | jebs | is there a myth tv package? i cant seem to find anything about it, or the howtos i find, all say to apt-get install mythtv, but it says package n ot found |
| 01:04.14 | simonrvn | non-free |
| 01:04.58 | yigal | jebs: if you are very interested in mythtv you should probably check out: www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 01:05.27 | simonrvn | !debian-multimedia |
| 01:05.27 | dpkg | methinks debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 01:05.42 | reiser2 | Hi |
| 01:05.55 | reiser2 | i want to know all about Linux virus |
| 01:06.25 | Coweater | they're rare, and mostly useless |
| 01:06.26 | yigal | reiser2: well you couldn't be more vague, unless you said I want to known about computer viruses |
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| 01:06.49 | reiser2 | no, i want to know about virus in Linux |
| 01:07.03 | yigal | reiser2: good for you and you are coming to this channel for what reason |
| 01:07.10 | Pavel | Well, that, or justice-system related joke. |
| 01:07.16 | karsten | Pavel: The question is to what extent. |
| 01:07.18 | jebs | awesome, thanks |
| 01:07.29 | reiser2 | well, how much posibility have linux to be infected |
| 01:07.48 | Pavel | karsten: I am still thinking of something funny to say. |
| 01:07.55 | reiser2 | there is near 80.000 virus to windows |
| 01:08.00 | simonrvn | reiser2: it's a unix-based OS. stop thinking it's "just like windows" |
| 01:08.13 | reiser2 | how much virus are there for linux |
| 01:08.21 | yigal | reiser2: how many |
| 01:08.24 | simonrvn | 2, and they no longer work |
| 01:08.28 | karsten | reiser2: If the question is "linux viruses" the answer is "not worth bothering about". If the question is "linux security" you're on a whole 'nother topic. |
| 01:08.34 | reiser2 | man, i only ask the question because there is some antivirus for linux |
| 01:08.40 | karsten | reiser2: Effectively: none. |
| 01:09.03 | simonrvn | reiser2: only because windows has 80K+ and many many linux servers are mail servers |
| 01:09.21 | bullgard4 | stoned, simonrvn: Thank you for advising. |
| 01:09.28 | stoned | sure |
| 01:09.31 | karsten | reiser2: Most Linux AV products are amed at the niche in which Linux servers provide file and/or mail services for Windows users. You can filter for Windows viruses and block them, but the Linux system itself isn't going to be affected by them. |
| 01:09.50 | reiser2 | Good |
| 01:09.56 | yigal | reiser2: yes |
| 01:09.58 | reiser2 | for that reason i work on Linux |
| 01:10.00 | reiser2 | hehehe |
| 01:10.01 | simonrvn | bullgard4: np, good luck |
| 01:10.30 | dondelelcaro | I actually haven't ever seen a virus scanner specifically for viruses targeted at linux. (I'm actually not aware of a recent one; not even trojan horses.) |
| 01:10.33 | reiser2 | since i installed linux no problems, no virus, no bulk |
| 01:10.39 | simonrvn | !karsten++ # for the best answer |
| 01:10.46 | jebs | W: GPG error: http://ftp.acc.umu.se stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 01:10.50 | jebs | how do i fix that? |
| 01:11.12 | simonrvn | read the /topic |
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| 01:11.26 | jebs | oh sorry |
| 01:11.27 | reiser2 | and this http://free.grisoft.com/doc/29124/us/frt/0 |
| 01:11.33 | karsten | reiser2: Most Linux security issues arise from someone gaining root (or other user) access without authorization. This is almost always due to flaws in application-space software, eg: a poorly written webserver app (say, anything written in PHP). However there have been some kernel holes in the past. You can also have the case of using resources to harm other systems (web-based formail scripts are the classic case). |
| 01:11.40 | karsten | simonrvn: Thanks. |
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| 01:12.06 | reiser2 | there is a list of plataform supported |
| 01:12.13 | reiser2 | why linux is in the list? |
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| 01:12.28 | karsten | reiser2: The general keys to running a secure system are: minimize your services, audit your passwords, log remotely, and monitor for unusual activity / file modifications. |
| 01:12.51 | karsten | reiser2: See my previous answer WRT mail/file services. |
| 01:12.54 | Mitchbbaker | hey all i am new to linuc and want to get some files of my windows hdd which is ntfs how would i go about it? |
| 01:13.08 | yigal | reiser2: not for linux but for windows clients |
| 01:13.12 | reiser2 | ok |
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| 01:13.15 | reiser2 | i understand |
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| 01:13.26 | Mitchbbaker | *linux |
| 01:13.33 | karsten | reiser2: If I"m handing mail to a Windows user, I want AV running on my Linux system to filter it. ClamAV is freely available (FSF Free Software) for Debian and does an excellent job BTW. |
| 01:13.34 | yigal | s/linuc/linux |
| 01:13.41 | karsten | !ntfs |
| 01:13.42 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 01:14.06 | karsten | !tell reiser2 about clamav |
| 01:14.08 | reiser2 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses |
| 01:14.23 | reiser2 | ok |
| 01:14.27 | reiser2 | i know ClamAv |
| 01:15.01 | karsten | reiser2: And we know that list. Practical effect in the wild is near nil. Do your own homework and follow up on those links. |
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| 01:15.24 | yigal | there is a good chance with Ubuntu that Linux will have a number of computer viruses for our very own. |
| 01:15.35 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 01:15.40 | karsten | reiser2: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/skoll/anti-virus.php http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/index.php?page=virus |
| 01:15.49 | yigal | s/own/own\ enjoyment |
| 01:15.52 | reiser2 | Ubuntu is going to be propietary like RedHat ? |
| 01:16.06 | yigal | reiser2: what? |
| 01:16.13 | reiser2 | i mean |
| 01:16.23 | karsten | yigal: Doubtful. Viruses (in the true sense of th eword) jsut aren't very interesting on *nix-based platforms. Other forms of security exploits are. |
| 01:16.25 | reiser2 | Ubuntu will Begin to take money for updates? |
| 01:16.48 | jebs | how do i reinstall all packages connected with a package installed, i screwed up one of the install time configurations |
| 01:17.08 | karsten | |
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| 01:17.36 | reiser2 | ok, ok |
| 01:18.03 | karsten | reiser2: It's also an Ubuntu FAQ, you're strongly encouraged to do your homework. |
| 01:18.35 | reiser2 | ?? |
| 01:19.09 | reiser2 | karsten: what? |
| 01:19.22 | karsten | reiser2: http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq |
| 01:19.32 | reiser2 | ok |
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| 01:22.13 | reiser2 | then ubuntu takes money with Long Term Support, right ? |
| 01:22.33 | yigal | reiser2: this is #debian |
| 01:22.43 | reiser2 | sorry |
| 01:22.47 | jebs | anyone know how to rerun configuration ? |
| 01:23.08 | nikosapi | I keep getting "No space left on device" errors on my new raid1 array even df -h reports: /dev/md0 147G 778M 146G 1% / (146GB available) Any idea what's causing this? |
| 01:23.29 | karsten | |
| 01:23.34 | yigal | nikosapi: are you on /dev/md0? |
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| 01:23.50 | nikosapi | yigal: of course |
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| 01:25.03 | karsten | reiser2: Ask Ubuntu questions in #ubuntu. Really. |
| 01:25.04 | karsten | nikAny open but deleted files? 'lsof | grep deleted' |
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| 01:25.52 | reiser2 | ok, man |
| 01:25.57 | reiser2 | sorry |
| 01:26.03 | reiser2 | i use Debian Etch |
| 01:26.08 | nikosapi | karsten: nope |
| 01:26.13 | reiser2 | it was just a question |
| 01:26.50 | karsten | !tell reiser2 about enter |
| 01:27.12 | reiser2 | sorry, i forget to use Enter so much |
| 01:27.30 | reiser2 | i installed clamav, with GUI interface, is cool |
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| 01:30.27 | karsten | I thought atop required a patched kernel, no? Or is Debian's atop-patched? I don't find anything indicating atop in modules or ksyms or /boot/config* |
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| 01:31.27 | nikosapi | karsten: could it be because I formated the partition with the largefile4 option (i think that's what it was called) |
| 01:32.35 | karsten | nikosapi: Do you have any inodes free? |
| 01:32.46 | reiser2 | last |
| 01:32.47 | reiser2 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ |
| 01:33.08 | karsten | nikosapi: df -i <partition> |
| 01:33.41 | nikosapi | karsten: hehe: /dev/md0 37440 37440 0 100% / |
| 01:34.12 | karsten | nikosapi: That'd be your problem. |
| 01:34.33 | karsten | reiser2: That's a good article. My own somewhat related take on things: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Rants/spyware.html |
| 01:34.33 | nikosapi | is there a way I can change that without reformating? |
| 01:34.43 | karsten | nikosapi: Yes ... |
| 01:34.50 | karsten | nikosapi: ... but it involves reformatting ;-) |
| 01:35.06 | nikosapi | haha, ok, I'll get on it |
| 01:35.13 | nikosapi | thanks a lot karsten |
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| 01:35.23 | karsten | nikosapi: NP. |
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| 01:37.21 | reiser2 | hehehe, important thing "most were confined to the laboratory" |
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| 01:40.43 | karsten | reiser2: Yeah, most fo the Linux stuff is pretty much proof-of-concept. |
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| 01:42.50 | Mitchbbaker | how do i get ntfs-3g i have tried apt-get but it did not work (with and without the hyphen) i tried downloading a .deb but there were dependance problems, does anyone have a repository i could use (i could't find one in google) or some other way of getting the package and all its depandancys |
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| 01:44.52 | stoned | !ntfs-3g |
| 01:44.53 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
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| 01:45.22 | Mitchbbaker | ta |
| 01:45.24 | Spyro_boy | Hello. |
| 01:45.53 | Spyro_boy | You're going to hate me for asking, but what is the performance of Debian on Lenovo laptops? |
| 01:46.22 | NicNac | super, smashing... grand! |
| 01:46.28 | Spyro_boy | I don't see much else other than RHEL being certified for most of them, but can I expect the same certification for Debian? |
| 01:46.59 | stoned | just use it man |
| 01:47.07 | karsten | Spyro_boy: It exceeds a weighted index fo 30 leading industrial stocks. |
| 01:47.09 | Spyro_boy | use what? Debian? |
| 01:47.20 | Spyro_boy | I was going to anyway. :) |
| 01:47.22 | Mitchbbaker | i have been to both thise sites and neither helped me :( its annoying being a begginer |
| 01:47.34 | Spyro_boy | I just wanted to see if there was anything else that could give me solid facts or something. |
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| 01:47.45 | Spyro_boy | reassurance is always nice :) |
| 01:48.06 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: which debian release are you using? |
| 01:48.09 | Mitchbbaker | etch |
| 01:48.23 | karsten | Spyro_boy: In general, IBM / Lenovo thinkpads rock, but specifics will very much vary by model. There's one specific model (T62?) which had issues. I'm writing this on a T42p ATM, have used T30, 360, and others. |
| 01:48.31 | stoned | you can get the package from debian repositories |
| 01:48.38 | karsten | spSee Linux Laptop Project or the debian-laptop mailing list for spevcifics. |
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| 01:48.44 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:48.50 | Spyro_boy | karsten, ah. that's it. |
| 01:48.57 | Spyro_boy | I remembered there was a site on linux laptops. |
| 01:48.59 | Spyro_boy | thanks d00d. |
| 01:49.03 | Mitchbbaker | i got nothing |
| 01:49.08 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: no man |
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| 01:49.17 | stoned | !tell Mitchbbaker -about simple sid backport |
| 01:49.31 | karsten | Spyro_boy: speaking personally, I prefer IBM/Lenovo myself. |
| 01:49.45 | karsten | Spyro_boy: speaking personally, I prefer IBM/Lenovo myselfSpyro_boy: NP. |
| 01:50.06 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: its pretty easy to follow. The point is, you will compile the package to use on etch, from sid |
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| 01:50.29 | karsten | stoned: Maybe we can get him to bitch about how he can't use that for six hours like that other guy.... |
| 01:50.36 | stoned | karsten: :) |
| 01:50.36 | Mitchbbaker | i have had compile problems it errors on ./configure (if that is what you are talking about) |
| 01:50.52 | Spyro_boy | alright, cool. |
| 01:50.55 | karsten | stoned: ... then try it and suddenly all is smiles and rainbows and light in five minutes. |
| 01:51.07 | Spyro_boy | only reason I'm interested in that model is because I can get it for cheap. |
| 01:51.08 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: can you please do as suggested, for your own good |
| 01:51.13 | Mitchbbaker | i will try |
| 01:51.14 | Spyro_boy | 699 cad <3 |
| 01:51.16 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: follow what the bot old you, its very simple |
| 01:51.22 | karsten | OT, a woman with cahones: http://www.rozsavage.com/ |
| 01:51.30 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: you know how to edit the sources.list file? |
| 01:51.33 | Mitchbbaker | yes |
| 01:51.37 | Mitchbbaker | done it several times |
| 01:52.08 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: copy the deb-src line to a new line, and change it from etch to sid |
| 01:52.24 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 01:52.30 | Mitchbbaker | just a sec |
| 01:52.49 | yigal | does anyone know if putting Debian on the mini laptop by Asus Eee should be pretty simple? |
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| 01:52.53 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: it should look like deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.net/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 01:53.00 | stoned | something like that anyway |
| 01:53.04 | Mitchbbaker | yeah i found it :) |
| 01:53.15 | stoned | then apt-get update |
| 01:53.27 | stoned | and apt-get build-dep ntfs-3g |
| 01:53.36 | stoned | and just follow what the bot said man, its simple |
| 01:53.42 | stoned | hence, simple sid backport |
| 01:53.49 | Mitchbbaker | ta |
| 01:54.46 | stoned | I wonder |
| 01:54.51 | Mitchbbaker | hmm? |
| 01:54.52 | stoned | there shoudl already be a backport of it |
| 01:56.08 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: you might have to build the libntfs-3g package also |
| 01:56.14 | Mitchbbaker | the apt-get update errored i must have done something wrong |
| 01:56.21 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 01:56.25 | stoned | what error? |
| 01:56.34 | Mitchbbaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.41 | stoned | don't use my line dude |
| 01:56.44 | stoned | whats wrong with you ;) |
| 01:56.47 | Mitchbbaker | XD |
| 01:56.49 | Mitchbbaker | oops |
| 01:56.50 | stoned | just copy the mirror you have |
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| 01:56.58 | stoned | and change 'etch' to 'sid' |
| 01:57.06 | stoned | so you can have a sid sources repository |
| 01:57.15 | stoned | so youc an download a sid source package, and create a binary etch package |
| 01:57.22 | stoned | do you understand any of this? |
| 01:57.24 | Mitchbbaker | "deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/osrdebian stable backports |
| 01:57.24 | Mitchbbaker | " thats my original line |
| 01:57.26 | Mitchbbaker | not really |
| 01:57.31 | stoned | oh boy |
| 01:57.51 | stoned | no man |
| 01:58.04 | Mitchbbaker | its the only one starting in deb-src |
| 01:58.04 | snowbird | stoned cant get my wifi to go geez |
| 01:58.11 | stoned | the ntfs-3g is IN debian but not in etch, in lenny and sid |
| 01:58.18 | Mitchbbaker | oh wait i missed a few others |
| 01:58.31 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: you need a debian mirror |
| 01:58.34 | sid | This webbased software "vtiger", says it needs "IMAP support", what php package does it want most likely? |
| 01:58.42 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: just stop. ok man |
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| 01:58.46 | Mitchbbaker | ok stopped |
| 01:58.47 | stoned | just stop whatever it is tha tyou are doing |
| 01:59.05 | stoned | take a few deep breaths and THINK about whats going on beforehand |
| 01:59.28 | sid | ahh, thanks stoned. that fixed it |
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| 02:00.01 | Mitchbbaker | "deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main" ????? |
| 02:00.04 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: last time, the process is as followes. The ntfs-3g package is on debian but not in etch release, apparantly, and is only in testing/unstable releases |
| 02:00.12 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 02:00.35 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: you will add a deb-src for the debian archives but for sid, so you can get the sid source package of ntfs-3g from debian |
| 02:00.39 | stoned | get it? |
| 02:00.44 | Mitchbbaker | yes |
| 02:01.00 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: yes that line, now change the etch to sid |
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| 02:01.11 | Mitchbbaker | copy and change or just change? |
| 02:01.18 | m1r | i want apt-get remove some packages, but on list those packages have star marked after them like: apache2* php* mc* etc. what does that star means ? |
| 02:01.25 | m1r | hi all |
| 02:01.36 | Mitchbbaker | cause you ssaid copy and change before |
| 02:01.38 | stoned | copy that line to a new line, so you have two lines of the same deb-src, then change one of them to sid |
| 02:01.44 | Mitchbbaker | ok got you |
| 02:02.18 | Mitchbbaker | "deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ sid main" is that correct? |
| 02:02.32 | stoned | yes |
| 02:02.36 | Mitchbbaker | cool |
| 02:02.44 | Mitchbbaker | ill save that anbd update nowe |
| 02:02.56 | stoned | deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 02:03.25 | stoned | just for the hell of it |
| 02:03.32 | Mitchbbaker | ok |
| 02:03.56 | stoned | let me know when you've updated |
| 02:04.54 | Mitchbbaker | it says it will take a couple of minuites |
| 02:05.01 | Mitchbbaker | odd |
| 02:05.04 | Mitchbbaker | done now |
| 02:05.21 | stoned | apt-get build-dep ntfs-3g |
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| 02:05.43 | Mitchbbaker | error |
| 02:05.49 | stoned | what? |
| 02:05.54 | Mitchbbaker | E: Build-Depends dependency for ntfs-3g cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libfuse-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 02:06.21 | stoned | !info libfuse-dev etch |
| 02:06.32 | sid | I have a stock system, and I just instaled apache/mysql/php5, and I'm instaling this CMS, and it says IMAP is a core component of it's functionality..and I need to install that. |
| 02:06.36 | sid | What packages do I install? |
| 02:06.41 | dondelelcaro | sid: php5-imap |
| 02:06.43 | sid | php5-imap doesn't make that message go away |
| 02:06.54 | sid | Do I need a mail-server back-end or something? |
| 02:07.09 | dpkg | libfuse-dev: (Filesystem in USErspace (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.5.3-4.4 (etch), Packaged size: 91 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 02:07.21 | dondelelcaro | sid: does it show up in <? phpinfo() ?> ? |
| 02:07.24 | stoned | damn that took a while |
| 02:07.28 | Mitchbbaker | yes indeed |
| 02:07.28 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever that function is called?) |
| 02:07.44 | sid | I had the same message for gd graphics library, once I installed php5-gd, the message went away |
| 02:08.26 | sid | dondelelcaro: no |
| 02:08.49 | dondelelcaro | sid: that sounds like it's commented out in your php.ini |
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| 02:09.04 | sid | dondelelcaro: I got some curses dialogue when I install php5-imap |
| 02:09.13 | stoned | looks like you'll have to backport a lot more stuff |
| 02:09.16 | sid | Configuring libc-client2002edebian |
| 02:09.25 | stoned | Mitchbbaker: its not looking good for you |
| 02:09.32 | sid | Libc-client earlier than version 2002d (and development versions of 2003) included an unofficial and no longer maintained patch to support Maildirs. |
| 02:09.34 | Mitchbbaker | yeah... |
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| 02:09.40 | sid | Do you want to continue installing a libc-client without Maildir support? |
| 02:09.46 | sid | I said yes dondelelcaro, could that be the problem? |
| 02:10.44 | sid | ahh, it works after I restarted apache dondelelcaro |
| 02:10.56 | dondelelcaro | sid: ah; yeah, that's required. |
| 02:11.20 | sid | I thought they were hotpluggable, like the kernel or something |
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| 02:11.59 | dondelelcaro | sid: well, they would be, but the dlopen only happens once |
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| 02:13.47 | sid | It wants my mysql info, I've install installed mysql-server and set the root pass. Am I supposed to setup a mysql db in cli, or just give the php/web installer my root/pass for mysql and it will create the db and do the rest? |
| 02:15.11 | dondelelcaro | sid: dunno |
| 02:15.15 | dondelelcaro | sid: it's documentation should tell you |
| 02:15.20 | dondelelcaro | s/'// |
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| 02:32.08 | Palish | Hiya |
| 02:32.14 | Palish | I'm seeing some very weird behavior |
| 02:32.36 | Palish | I logged into my new dedicated server as root. I created a user, and now each time I try to SSH in as that user, it immediately quits. |
| 02:32.41 | Palish | PuTTY does, that is. |
| 02:32.47 | Palish | Does anyone know what might be going on? |
| 02:32.53 | weichong | hi, anybody here tried dh-make-perl on Filter::Crypto? it doesn't seem to follow the usual dh-make-perl way... |
| 02:32.59 | stream | anyone use netdate? |
| 02:33.08 | Guerin | !anyone use netdate? |
| 02:33.09 | dpkg | No, no one uses netdate, not even the people who use it. |
| 02:33.20 | Guerin | i don't need the internet to get dates |
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| 02:33.49 | stream | what do i use to set my clock then? |
| 02:34.02 | Guerin | stream: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 02:34.10 | stream | automatically |
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| 02:39.26 | Palish | So anyone know why ssh might be randomly disconnecting me? |
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| 02:40.42 | beered | how can I drop all content from mysql database, but at the same time keep the database and tables? |
| 02:40.46 | Azar | http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Reports:_Richard_Stallman,_founder_of_GNU_Project_missing_in_Peru |
| 02:40.56 | Azar | misterrr Guerin :) |
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| 02:49.20 | bullgard4 | I have joined a certain channel. How can I establish if it is in the Freenode or the OFTC network? |
| 02:49.35 | subopt | I let the auto-update thingie install a new kernel. Now my Nvidia card won't work. What's the apt-get command to get the latest Nvidia kernel for Etch (on x86)? |
| 02:50.47 | rhsanborn | I have a unique problem to solve. I will be spending two years in Africa with the Peace Corps. I will have a computer with me, but it won't have internet access. My only internet access will be through internet cafes. I will also have a workstation in the states. I would like to have the workstation download all my email, and then I need some way to transfer the failes from the net cafe to my traveling computer. I have a flash dri |
| 02:51.19 | Azar | subopt: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 02:51.28 | subopt | Azar: thanks |
| 02:52.36 | Azar | rhsanborn: use a web mail and an usb stick or external HD to download your stuff |
| 02:53.20 | rhsanborn | then I would have to open and copy every email message |
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| 02:54.11 | Azar | then keep a web mail... I use yahoo |
| 02:54.58 | simonrvn | bullgard4: what client? |
| 02:54.59 | rhsanborn | I have web mail. I have lots of messages thoguh. It would be much nicer to be able to take my email home with me. |
| 02:55.03 | Azar | ...because yahoo has the non-javascript option and can be viewed with virtually any browser |
| 02:55.47 | rhsanborn | I costs a lot to sit in a net cafe and write replies to emails all day |
| 02:55.52 | rhsanborn | they charge by the hour |
| 02:56.22 | Azar | then subscribe to an ISP over there |
| 02:56.43 | simonrvn | bullgard4: some clients you can type /server and it'll tell you (while you'rein that channel), or you look at the "connection settings", or whatever, it depends. |
| 02:56.49 | rhsanborn | I'll be in an area with no electricity and no internet |
| 02:56.53 | \amethyst | rhsanborn: copy the mailbox file from the workstation to the flash drive, then put it on the laptop and read it with a normal mail reader |
| 02:56.54 | GhostlyDeath | why does GDB fail to debug executables with "not in executable format: File format not recognized", don't tell me they aren't executables because they are executables |
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| 02:56.57 | Azar | heavens! |
| 02:57.07 | rhsanborn | :P |
| 02:57.14 | Guerin | rhsanborn: i solved this problem by running a mail client (mutt) on my Texas box, and using winscp to sync at the end of every session |
| 02:57.16 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: for example? |
| 02:57.42 | Guerin | rhsanborn: so I recommend you get yourself a shellhost - even if it's nothing flash, it'll do the trick |
| 02:57.42 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: If I try to gdb my own program it does that |
| 02:58.00 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: what does file program say? |
| 02:58.15 | Guerin | rhsanborn: i also recommend using OPIE for passwords, because you can't trust internet room PCs anywhere (especially in communist asia, where I was) |
| 02:58.25 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 02:58.41 | rhsanborn | Guerin: I'll boot to a knoppix disk if possible |
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| 02:58.59 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: and gdb -v | grep "configured as" |
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| 02:59.01 | \amethyst | ? |
| 02:59.02 | rhsanborn | Guerin: and I have a pc in the states that I can access with a shell |
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| 02:59.15 | Guerin | rhsanborn: that would be ideal, but still won't beat a hardware keylogger such as the chinese government are known to use |
| 02:59.24 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: This GDB was configured as "x86_64-linux-gnu". |
| 02:59.41 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: and how are you running it? |
| 02:59.51 | rhsanborn | Guerin: indeed. Thanks. I'll look up winscp |
| 02:59.58 | Guerin | rhsanborn: excellent. set up OPIE and you're good to go. It works transparently with PAM and is easy to set up (just don't lose the list) |
| 03:00.10 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: I mean, how are you running gdb? |
| 03:00.13 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: gdb /home/steven/program |
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| 03:00.28 | \amethyst | hrm |
| 03:00.52 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: does it fail on every x86_64 binary? |
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| 03:01.13 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: and did you compile/link with -g? |
| 03:01.22 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: i tried some system libraries and it does the same thing for most of them, a few say No Debugging Info |
| 03:01.25 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: -g3 |
| 03:01.51 | \amethyst | what version of gdb is this? |
| 03:02.06 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: GNU gdb 6.4.90-debian |
| 03:02.58 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425838 |
| 03:03.09 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: you'll need the gdb from unstable |
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| 03:03.54 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: what's the package name? |
| 03:04.19 | \amethyst | gdb |
| 03:04.31 | \amethyst | version 6.6... but it's not in testing yet |
| 03:04.54 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: should I worry about the depends? |
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| 03:05.47 | Azar | why am I receiving "away" messages from ys76 on my (status) window? |
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| 03:07.29 | GhostlyDeath | \amethyst: will install it after my system gets updated |
| 03:07.50 | \amethyst | GhostlyDeath: looking at pdo, it looks like the depends should all be satisfied in lenny |
| 03:08.10 | snowbird | wounder what folks do to transfer files to outher pc? |
| 03:08.16 | \amethyst | It's a ftbfs on the ia64 port that's keeping the new version out of testing |
| 03:08.24 | \amethyst | snowbird: scp usually |
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| 03:08.34 | snowbird | what scp? |
| 03:08.44 | \amethyst | snowbird: it copies files over the ssh (secure shell) protocol |
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| 03:09.02 | snowbird | nevor heard that well some day hel me set it up |
| 03:09.14 | snowbird | my net went south outher pc cant get online |
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| 03:12.04 | \amethyst | snowbird: how are the two computers connected, and what OSs do they run? |
| 03:13.00 | snowbird | one run one debian |
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| 03:13.22 | snowbird | one lap top one is in kitchen one in kitchen aint linux |
| 03:13.36 | snowbird | i wil use wifi on it and hard to here and hard to lap |
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| 03:13.58 | \amethyst | can you get the two computers talking to each other at all? |
| 03:15.39 | snowbird | yeah |
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| 03:17.02 | GhostlyDeath_ | \amethyst: that worked |
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| 03:20.42 | \amethyst | snowbird: so the simplest thing might be to install some kind of web or ftp server on the debian machine |
| 03:20.55 | snowbird | yeha |
| 03:21.06 | R4M0N | what are you trying to transfer? |
| 03:21.10 | \amethyst | snowbird: you can get ssh/scp clients for windows, but that would require you to download one |
| 03:21.16 | R4M0N | if its only a few files you should take a look at xampp |
| 03:21.31 | \amethyst | snowbird: you could also have the laptop connect to the internet through the debian machine |
| 03:22.27 | snowbird | not worrid about lap |
| 03:22.43 | \amethyst | I thought you needed to transfer files onto the laptop> |
| 03:22.48 | snowbird | i neeed gui on deb and id dowm load soemting on outer box |
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| 03:23.17 | \amethyst | wait, which computer is connected to the internet? |
| 03:23.38 | snowbird | debain |
| 03:23.49 | snowbird | with delink under laser printer |
| 03:24.03 | snowbird | then in kitchen is wireles to router |
| 03:24.37 | \amethyst | and what do you want to do exactly? transfer files from Debian to the laptop? |
| 03:25.42 | snowbird | transfer files from kitchen tower to debian and bruner on debian |
| 03:25.59 | \amethyst | and the kitchen tower is Windows? |
| 03:26.30 | snowbird | yeah |
| 03:26.48 | snowbird | maybe duall boot |
| 03:26.58 | snowbird | and this is its own os |
| 03:27.02 | \amethyst | it has internet access? |
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| 03:27.23 | snowbird | yeah its got inernet acsess threw router |
| 03:27.33 | linux_jones | what do i do if grub says error 18? |
| 03:27.47 | snowbird | di u google? |
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| 03:28.25 | \amethyst | snowbird: install the openssh-server package on debian, then install putty scp or some other scp/sftp client on the Windows machine |
| 03:28.26 | snowbird | some reason this pc dont have god desktop |
| 03:28.29 | R4M0N | snowbird: throw a lightweight ftp server on the host machine and connect to it from the other 1 through ur local network (look up the ips they get from the router) |
| 03:28.49 | snowbird | il do that asap |
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| 03:29.24 | R4M0N | snowbird: i found a good free ftp server for windows a while ago i'll look it up for u |
| 03:30.06 | snowbird | ty il need some help not to fimiluar with that hope its gui |
| 03:30.13 | \amethyst | an alternative is to set up a share on the windows machine and remote mount it from Linux (or vice versa) |
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| 03:30.23 | gcarrier | hi! |
| 03:30.25 | snowbird | yeah |
| 03:30.26 | R4M0N | it is |
| 03:30.27 | R4M0N | http://www.goldenftpserver.com/ |
| 03:30.30 | gcarrier | i made a usb key debian installation |
| 03:30.32 | R4M0N | its free and really easy to use |
| 03:30.53 | gcarrier | my problem is that when i use it on computers other than mine, i get eth2-eth3-eth... interfaces and no eth0/eth1 |
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| 03:30.59 | gcarrier | does someone see why? |
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| 03:31.28 | snowbird | tyr4man |
| 03:31.41 | snowbird | il have to open ports eh |
| 03:31.50 | \amethyst | gcarrier: you need to get rid of /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 03:31.58 | \amethyst | gcarrier: probably |
| 03:32.09 | suxn | q: when i perform an apt/aptitude update, apt ignores the pdiff files for main. pdiffs are fetched correctly for all my other sources. is there anyway i can interrogate apt/aptitude to find out why. |
| 03:32.13 | gcarrier | \amethyst: thx |
| 03:32.17 | gcarrier | \amethyst: i hate udev :P |
| 03:32.37 | R4M0N | snowbird: u only have to open port 21 on the firewall |
| 03:32.44 | R4M0N | u dont need to forward on the router |
| 03:33.08 | gcarrier | wow, each card always get a new name... |
| 03:33.11 | gcarrier | weird :) |
| 03:33.24 | gcarrier | with time, i'll have hundreds of interfaces in that :P |
| 03:33.38 | snowbird | cool |
| 03:33.56 | snowbird | ftp is ftp bye fdefalt most times |
| 03:34.01 | snowbird | http is port 80 |
| 03:34.18 | snowbird | port 21 defalt |
| 03:34.30 | snowbird | oops kitty jumped on kb |
| 03:34.45 | gcarrier | having a small system on a usb key is just great, i think |
| 03:34.49 | R4M0N | its 21 unless u change the server settings... |
| 03:34.55 | gcarrier | (i often have to "repair" debian or ubuntu installations) |
| 03:34.58 | snowbird | yeah |
| 03:35.11 | gcarrier | now i always get my dwm, urxvt, zsh... lovely! |
| 03:35.25 | snowbird | ty you |
| 03:35.29 | R4M0N | btw guys does anyone live in canada using rogers cable? |
| 03:35.40 | snowbird | i wish cable |
| 03:35.42 | R4M0N | im having some trouble with their restrictions on the smtp port :S |
| 03:35.48 | snowbird | yeah i know were it is why? |
| 03:35.56 | DavidProck1981 | not i, R4M0N |
| 03:35.57 | snowbird | canada here rogers cable cool |
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| 03:36.03 | \amethyst | gcarrier: you could get rid of the z45_persistent-net-generator.rules probably |
| 03:36.22 | gcarrier | \amethyst: i can live with it right now |
| 03:36.26 | \amethyst | gcarrier: that should stop the persistent rules from getting created in the first place |
| 03:36.37 | snowbird | well isp lately blocked all ports and even stuff like network printers |
| 03:36.46 | R4M0N | they block the smtp port and i gota play around with my mail server but its pretty annoying... im tryin to find a way around rogers' proxy server but idonno if its possible... |
| 03:36.51 | snowbird | nasty as h ck |
| 03:37.07 | \amethyst | R4M0N: pay for some real hosting, get your mail from there |
| 03:37.39 | R4M0N | im developing my own online services thats y i need it.. |
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| 03:37.53 | snowbird | i see u on the flip side |
| 03:38.29 | \amethyst | On a residential cable connection? |
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| 03:40.12 | R4M0N_ | i got disconnected... somethings wrong with my router... |
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| 03:45.28 | Vinna | hello |
| 03:45.38 | R4M0N_ | hey Vinna |
| 03:46.15 | Vinna | I did a apt-get upgrade today and was surprised at the number of upgrades I needed on etch. x-window-system and other things. Anyone know what happened? |
| 03:46.33 | R4M0N_ | 4.0r1 came out... |
| 03:47.03 | Vinna | what's that? |
| 03:47.18 | R4M0N_ | a security update release |
| 03:47.33 | Vinna | there was a security problem with X? |
| 03:47.56 | R4M0N_ | actually i have no idea about that cuz i run etch on my server and theres no X :) |
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| 03:48.12 | R4M0N_ | mine only updated roughly 10 packages |
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| 03:48.58 | Selenolycus | Ok, perhaps this is an absurd question: I have an 800mhz PIII with 256mb RAM, and I am going to install either Gentoo or Debian on it, and I will be using it with no GUI, just as a basic server. Which distro should I use, or should I pick another? |
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| 03:49.27 | Vinna | Selenolycus, you're asking on a debian forum. what do you think the answer is going to be? |
| 03:49.35 | R4M0N_ | i'd recommend debian rather than gentoo |
| 03:49.58 | R4M0N_ | not because its a debian channel, but because compiling X and everything on a p3 will be a pain... |
| 03:50.00 | Selenolycus | Vinna: It's an IRC channel, actually, and that is why I said it was absurd... |
| 03:50.02 | liable | with a pIII i dont think i would recommend gentoo, unless you just want to watch gcc output scroll by all day |
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| 03:50.17 | Selenolycus | No GUI. |
| 03:50.25 | liable | so |
| 03:50.29 | linux_jones | ok so how do i make a /boot partition at the front of my rard drive? |
| 03:50.33 | R4M0N_ | o sorry i misread it |
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| 03:50.50 | linux_jones | is that how im seeing this right? http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18 |
| 03:51.20 | R4M0N_ | Selenolycus: my suggestion is debian, but ppl always say choose the distro you know inside out |
| 03:51.24 | \amethyst | Selenolycus: still, you probably don't want to be compiling packages on that machine if you can avoid it, gcc isn't as fast as it used to be in the 2.72 days |
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| 03:51.55 | enriqueojedalara | Hello everybody |
| 03:52.01 | enriqueojedalara | I'm here! ;) |
| 03:54.47 | Selenolycus | Hooray! |
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| 03:56.26 | linux_jones | ok so how do i make a /boot partition at the front of my hard drive? does it have to be bootable? |
| 03:56.44 | R4M0N_ | without whiping your whole drive/ |
| 03:57.11 | linux_jones | i can wipe the drive, i expected to |
| 03:57.29 | R4M0N_ | ok that probably means reinstalling the system since i assume its on that drive |
| 03:57.42 | linux_jones | windows is |
| 03:57.45 | linux_jones | bleh |
| 03:58.05 | R4M0N_ | when u reinstall it make sure to create a partition as primary (hda1) and mount it as /boot |
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| 03:58.38 | R4M0N_ | it doesnt have to be big, i'd say 20 mb is enough |
| 03:59.03 | linux_jones | make a new partition at the beggening of the drive called /boot thats 20 mb? |
| 03:59.19 | R4M0N_ | yeh thats all there is to it... |
| 03:59.30 | linux_jones | then how do i get the kernel in there? |
| 03:59.36 | R4M0N_ | u dont |
| 03:59.55 | linux_jones | primary? |
| 03:59.58 | R4M0N_ | but its big enough tho |
| 04:00.08 | R4M0N_ | its only the kernel image that goes there |
| 04:00.18 | R4M0N_ | the kernel image is not bigger than 2 mb usually |
| 04:00.44 | R4M0N_ | the modules and sources stay at their proper place |
| 04:01.09 | \amethyst | initrd is often bigger |
| 04:01.28 | linux_jones | bootable flag on or off? |
| 04:01.40 | \amethyst | but 20mb is fine for a couple of kernels |
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| 04:01.56 | R4M0N_ | id turn it on but i never tried... |
| 04:02.03 | R4M0N_ | ok make it bigger than |
| 04:02.33 | linux_jones | how big? |
| 04:03.00 | R4M0N_ | i googled it: ppl say 1-200 mb |
| 04:03.09 | R4M0N_ | but i dont think thats really necessary |
| 04:03.36 | R4M0N_ | if u have a big enough hard drive make it bigger otherwise 20-50 is enough... |
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| 04:04.32 | \amethyst | My /boot (not a separate partition) is 24MB with three kernels and initrds |
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| 04:05.09 | \amethyst | so I'd say 50 will be big enough for forseeable future expansion |
| 04:05.55 | linux_jones | and that should just up and fix it? |
| 04:06.10 | R4M0N_ | the error msg? |
| 04:06.34 | linux_jones | yeah |
| 04:06.47 | R4M0N_ | i remember getting that error a long time ago |
| 04:07.16 | R4M0N_ | i turned the computer off (running suse at the time), the power went out over night and in the morning i got error 18. had to reinstall... |
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| 04:07.31 | R4M0N_ | i didnt know what to do with it it was just damn strange |
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| 04:07.36 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 04:08.13 | linux_jones | damnit, so how much swap space should i have at most? |
| 04:08.24 | R4M0N_ | how much ram do u have? |
| 04:08.33 | linux_jones | i dont know |
| 04:08.39 | R4M0N_ | approximately? |
| 04:09.11 | linux_jones | no idea |
| 04:09.27 | linux_jones | should i let it auto do it to find out how much swap i should have? |
| 04:09.42 | R4M0N_ | if you have no idea thats a good way |
| 04:09.54 | R4M0N_ | if u have 2 gb or more u dont really need swap |
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| 04:10.18 | linux_jones | i really doubt that |
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| 04:10.31 | R4M0N_ | but if u wanna run virtual machines like vmware and stuff, u'll need a lot of swap |
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| 04:14.29 | RockerMONO | what's a good program for drawing schematics? |
| 04:14.52 | \amethyst | electronic schematics? |
| 04:17.55 | RockerMONO | \amethyst: yea |
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| 04:18.41 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: run aptitude and look in the electronics section :) |
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| 04:18.41 | RockerMONO | \amethyst: ? |
| 04:18.42 | linux_jones | it says 764.9 is swap, does that mean i have very little memory? |
| 04:18.42 | R4M0N_ | that means u have around half of that amount |
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| 04:18.51 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: Debian has an entire section for electronics software, you could look through that |
| 04:18.51 | R4M0N_ | wtf is goin on here everyones reconnecting??? |
| 04:18.51 | \amethyst | R4M0N_: netsplit fixing itself |
| 04:18.52 | RockerMONO | R430R: brown.freenode.net died =P |
| 04:18.52 | linux_jones | it says 764.9 is swap, does that mean i have very little memory? |
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| 04:18.52 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: geda, kicad, and xcircuit are among the schematic-drawing packages in debian |
| 04:18.53 | R4M0N_ | linux_jones: u probably have between 256 and 512 based on that recommendation |
| 04:18.53 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: there are also some like xfig and qcad that aren't specific to schematics but could be used for that purpose |
| 04:18.53 | RockerMONO | \amethyst: what would you recommend? |
| 04:18.53 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: dunno, I'm not an EE |
| 04:18.53 | RockerMONO | EE? |
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| 04:18.53 | \amethyst | electrical engineer |
| 04:18.53 | RockerMONO | me neither :) i just have fun messing around haha |
| 04:19.37 | linux_jones | should / partition be primary or logical? |
| 04:19.44 | R4M0N_ | primary |
| 04:20.01 | aieldkjw | does anyone know if the 'debian-40r0-ia64-kde-CD-1.iso' is what I'm looking for to install KDE and Debian on my system? |
| 04:20.02 | R4M0N_ | linux can support multiple primary partitions so make it primary |
| 04:20.06 | linux_jones | ok here goes nothing, ill be back after i try it |
| 04:20.24 | R4M0N_ | aieldkjw: what cpu do u have |
| 04:20.38 | R4M0N_ | linux_jones: good luck ;) |
| 04:20.49 | aieldkjw | intel core 2 duo |
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| 04:20.54 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: When I took Digital Circuits at uni, we had to type our circuits in to a fortran program that prompted you (in text) for the pin connections (like 1.4 2.5 for "chip 1, pin 4 to chip 2, pin 5") |
| 04:21.03 | RockerMONO | O.O |
| 04:21.08 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: any of those packages would be better than that |
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| 04:21.24 | R4M0N_ | aieldkjw: thats what u need then, but look for 40r1 if they have the image already |
| 04:21.30 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: the professor was quite old, I think maybe he wrote the program when he was in grad school |
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| 04:21.54 | RockerMONO | \amethyst: nice =P |
| 04:22.10 | nas | is there a way to trick sites into thinking iceweasel is firefox |
| 04:22.31 | R4M0N_ | isnt it the same engine? |
| 04:22.32 | nas | like some sites do that check and they see your using ice weasel and dont let you go there |
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| 04:23.18 | \amethyst | nas: get an extension like User Agent Switcher or such and set that up to pretend to be firefox |
| 04:23.44 | R4M0N_ | whats the actual difference between them? |
| 04:24.02 | nas | so as firefox gets updated iceweasel wont? |
| 04:24.28 | RockerMONO | \amethyst: erm...how would i get to the section for electronics software?... :) |
| 04:24.31 | \amethyst | nas: actually, even easier.... |
| 04:24.59 | \amethyst | nas: go into about:config, look for general.useragent.extra.firefox, change that to "Firefox/2.0.0.3" or what have you |
| 04:25.11 | nas | ok thanks |
| 04:25.33 | nas | \amethyst, so are all the updates for iceweasel being done by somebody else now? |
| 04:25.44 | nas | are they just changing the name of every firefox release? |
| 04:25.47 | \amethyst | nas: it tracks upstream very closely |
| 04:26.07 | \amethyst | nas: it's more or less just a rename plus a few patches to fit into debian a bit better |
| 04:26.28 | \amethyst | nas: it's not the same as the GNU iceweasel, which is more of a fork |
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| 04:27.32 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: in aptitude, use the arrow keys to go to "Not Installed Packages", enter to expand it, go to the section electronics, [ to expand that and all the subgroups, and enjoy |
| 04:27.50 | nas | haha thanks \amethyst |
| 04:27.54 | nas | worked like a charm |
| 04:28.18 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: if you decide you want a package, press + while the cursor is over it. when you're done picking packages, press g and it will start to install |
| 04:28.46 | RockerMONO | yea um |
| 04:28.51 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: you can use /name to search for a package by name or /~ddescription (note the first d) to search by description |
| 04:29.33 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: from the command line, you could do aptitude search '~selectronics' |
| 04:29.42 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: | less probably |
| 04:29.45 | RockerMONO | theirs no "electronics" section lol |
| 04:29.58 | R4M0N_ | did u try synaptic? :) |
| 04:30.02 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 04:30.08 | R4M0N_ | to search for packages... |
| 04:30.13 | RockerMONO | .... |
| 04:30.16 | RockerMONO | synaptic? |
| 04:30.18 | R4M0N_ | way more userfriendly than aptitude |
| 04:30.38 | RockerMONO | orrrrr apt-cache search electronics works |
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| 04:31.18 | \amethyst | RockerMONO: apt-cache search schematic too |
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| 04:31.27 | RockerMONO | \amethyst: returns absolutely nothing haha |
| 04:31.38 | RockerMONO | oh wait |
| 04:31.39 | RockerMONO | 1 think |
| 04:31.40 | \amethyst | Really? I see a bunch of packages |
| 04:31.42 | RockerMONO | *thing |
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| 04:32.04 | RockerMONO | it only shows eep24c for me when i apt-cache search schematic |
| 04:32.07 | RockerMONO | ohhh |
| 04:32.08 | \amethyst | at the very least there should be multiple geda packages |
| 04:32.11 | RockerMONO | woops i put schematics lol |
| 04:32.19 | RockerMONO | took the s off the end and i got alot more =P |
| 04:33.23 | locoo | hi i newbe on debian,... how can i know my debian version |
| 04:33.45 | R4M0N_ | locoo cat /etc/debianversion |
| 04:33.47 | simonrvn | !version |
| 04:33.47 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 04:33.58 | simonrvn | locoo: likely to be 4.0 |
| 04:34.23 | RockerMONO | \amethyst: i'm trying ktechlab |
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| 04:35.10 | simonrvn | these pc board schematics? |
| 04:35.10 | locoo | /etc/debianversion: No such file or directory |
| 04:35.18 | simonrvn | debian_version |
| 04:35.23 | R4M0N_ | sorry its debian_version |
| 04:35.26 | simonrvn | locoo: ^^^ see what the bot said |
| 04:35.26 | RockerMONO | simmerz: ? |
| 04:35.36 | R4M0N_ | im on windows now and my memory is not perfect :) |
| 04:36.02 | locoo | 4.0 |
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| 04:36.16 | locoo | thank R4M0N_ |
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| 04:36.45 | locoo | now which one a debian repositorio for install beryl |
| 04:37.19 | simonrvn | i don't think it's in etch... but unsure |
| 04:37.38 | R4M0N_ | etch main probably |
| 04:37.55 | R4M0N_ | woops its not |
| 04:37.57 | R4M0N_ | cant find it |
| 04:38.04 | simonrvn | if not see backports.org |
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| 04:38.18 | R4M0N_ | apt-cache search beryl gives nothing on the main repo |
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| 04:38.25 | RockerMONO | \amethyst: what's a small graphics program? i need somethign i can send people on winblows who only have paint =P |
| 04:38.35 | simonrvn | gpaint kpaint |
| 04:38.45 | RockerMONO | erm.... which one? lol |
| 04:38.50 | simonrvn | choose |
| 04:39.17 | RockerMONO | well kpaint wont install =P |
| 04:39.22 | R4M0N_ | arent u looking for a windows based one? |
| 04:39.46 | RockerMONO | R430R: no... i'm looking for one that'll let me save stuff as normal images so it is usable by people who are usign windows |
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| 04:40.07 | R4M0N_ | ooo aight i misunderstood it |
| 04:40.13 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 04:40.15 | R4M0N_ | gimp always worked for me |
| 04:40.24 | R4M0N_ | thats not small tho :D |
| 04:40.25 | simonrvn | gimp for t3h w1n |
| 04:40.27 | RockerMONO | gimp is confusing and overly complicated |
| 04:40.40 | simonrvn | just like ps ;p |
| 04:40.48 | RockerMONO | ? |
| 04:40.54 | R4M0N_ | well i either use photoshop or nothing so i cant help u with this1 :( |
| 04:41.04 | RockerMONO | lol |
| 04:42.46 | R4M0N_ | does anyone have a WinFast TV2000 XP Global tv tuner card running under linux? |
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| 04:43.10 | bullgard4 | How can I append 4000 records of a CSV file or a Kexi table to an existing Kexi table? |
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| 04:47.28 | xsdg | RockerMONO: on windows? IrfanView |
| 04:47.34 | K_Dallas | Q: Is 4.0r1 of 18-08 available as CD/DVD? Thanks |
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| 04:48.01 | RockerMONO | xsdg: erm... no.... i need something that would let people using winblows Paint view the images ;) |
| 04:48.07 | RockerMONO | but found it |
| 04:48.08 | RockerMONO | gpaint =P |
| 04:48.16 | R4M0N_ | K_Dallas: i'm looking for that too but apparently its not |
| 04:49.05 | R4M0N_ | its all r0 |
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| 04:51.30 | K_Dallas | <R4M0N_> ok, i could wait a few days but thanks for the info |
| 04:51.48 | R4M0N_ | np.. just look around on debian.org thats what i did :) |
| 04:52.10 | R4M0N_ | or get an r0, install it and update |
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| 04:53.19 | K_Dallas | R$MON_ yes, that should do it except that i am installing it / going to / on a new toshiba laptop and thought to start with the latest just to make sure the majority of the stuff would be working |
| 04:53.26 | K_Dallas | <R4M0N_> |
| 04:54.00 | grendal_prime | i hate windows my damn remote desktop hozed on my work machine..isnt there a way to remote reboot windows without haveing to log into the damn gui? |
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| 04:54.02 | R4M0N_ | thats indeed a good idea... i read that they added support for some extra stuff |
| 04:54.02 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrr |
| 04:54.14 | Dewi | dpkg: chroot |
| 04:54.14 | dpkg | chroot is, like, a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 04:54.22 | R4M0N_ | grendal_prime: theres always a reset button lol |
| 04:54.50 | grendal_prime | not when its 40 miles away and there is nobody there |
| 04:54.57 | grendal_prime | frigging thing |
| 04:55.39 | R4M0N_ | try this: |
| 04:55.39 | R4M0N_ | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/278845 |
| 04:55.48 | R4M0N_ | mstsc -v:servername /F -console |
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| 05:02.53 | zms | trying debian 4.0 install on Core2Duo 2.66 GHz, DG33FB mainboard, and 320 GB SATA drive from DVD. Ubuntu 7.04 Live CD boots fine on the same system. But the Debian DVD stops at: "ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0" . Googling did not help much. Any clues/pointers/suggestions? |
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| 05:05.05 | man_in_ltop | anyone know why xscreensaver has some screensavers marked "not installed"? |
| 05:05.32 | grendal_prime | nevermind i found it |
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| 05:05.47 | grendal_prime | seems kinda...hmmm it never asked me for a password |
| 05:06.28 | grendal_prime | i wonder if i can shoutdown the dipshit in the cubical next door to me like that... |
| 05:06.32 | grendal_prime | i think ill try |
| 05:06.57 | R4M0N_ | how r u gona get the ip? :P |
| 05:07.03 | man_in_ltop | i mean, why are there screensavers in the list that debian doesn't install/provide? |
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| 05:28.26 | zms | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.28 | karsten | man_in_ltop: There are some screensavers which are dependent on specific hardware or technology. Many of the gl screensavers, and electricsheep, come to mind. |
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| 05:35.48 | zms | anyone using Intel DG33FB mainboard? |
| 05:35.55 | karsten | !anyone |
| 05:35.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:36.23 | zms | thanks karsten. |
| 05:36.29 | karsten | zms: What's your problem with said kit? |
| 05:37.00 | zms | Booting with Debian 4.0 DVD stops at: "ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] bus is 0" |
| 05:37.41 | karsten | zms: GIYF |
| 05:37.43 | karsten | !giyf |
| 05:37.43 | dpkg | methinks giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or http://google.com/linux. Gary Izzard, Yankee Farmer |
| 05:38.12 | zms | I am at a loss.. not sure if it's a bios setting.. but then Ubuntu 7.04 boots fine on the same system. |
| 05:38.22 | zms | Believe me karsten, I did try hard. |
| 05:38.27 | karsten | zms: Google that error message (or tell us you did already). What turns up? Disabling ACPI (acpi=noacpi kernel option) is one likely bet. |
| 05:38.46 | karsten | zms: What's Ubuntu's /proc/cmdline? |
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| 05:38.58 | karsten | zms: ... or grub kernel line, alternatively. |
| 05:39.26 | zms | Thanks for the disable suggestion. I will try and report results with Ubuntu details. |
| 05:39.26 | karsten | zms: NP, we get all types here, as you might imagine. |
| 05:39.31 | karsten | zms: NP |
| 05:40.03 | karsten | zms: What kernel version? |
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| 05:40.06 | bullgard4 | How can I append 4000 records to a Kexi table? |
| 05:40.19 | karsten | bullgard4: What's a kexi table? |
| 05:40.41 | bullgard4 | karsten: A table in the kexi program. |
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| 05:40.52 | karsten | bullgard4: Backend storage is mysql? |
| 05:41.11 | bullgard4 | karsten: Your question is irrelevant. |
| 05:41.27 | karsten | bullgard4: Have a nice day. |
| 05:43.26 | karsten | zms: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6368 |
| 05:43.45 | karsten | zms: Possibly fixed in 2.6.17 |
| 05:43.59 | streuner_ | !listkeys kexi |
| 05:44.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kexi' by key (1): kexi. |
| 05:44.08 | streuner_ | !kexi |
| 05:44.08 | dpkg | methinks kexi is databasemanagement in koffice (http://luci.bux.at/projects/kexi) |
| 05:44.21 | karsten | streuner_: it's a package, MySQL-based backend for KDE config data. |
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| 05:45.47 | karsten | zms: Looks as if that's a kernel bug, IMO. |
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| 05:47.59 | streuner_ | dpkg, no kexi is <reply> An integrated data management application (koffice), designed as Microsoft Access or FileMaker competitor. It can be used for designing and implementing databases, inserting and processing data and performing queries. It has limited compatibility with the MS Access file format. |
| 05:47.59 | dpkg | streuner_: okay |
| 05:48.16 | karsten | streuner_: Interesting. |
| 05:48.27 | zms | karsten: acpi=off does let the installer move forward. But the installer does not recognize the SATA DVD drive. Had to abort. Dropped in to shell and kernel is "2.6.18-4-486" |
| 05:48.51 | zms | karsten: booting into Ubuntu now to see what's the /proc/cmdline |
| 05:49.20 | karsten | zms: Check kernel version in Ubuntu. |
| 05:49.27 | zms | karsten: sure |
| 05:50.43 | karsten | zms: Debian's got up to 2.6.22, might look at an upgrade. From a chroot w/in Ubuntu if necessary. |
| 05:51.28 | zms | karsten: In Ubuntu it's kernel 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP with no special boot parameters (there are only boot= , initrd= , quiet splash and vga) |
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| 05:53.11 | zms | karsten: *shudder* I am just a regular user, no hacker :-( chroot gives me shivers.. but I think I will do that (mess with chroot) if that's what it will take. |
| 05:53.41 | zms | karsten: wonder if newer installer is using newer kernel as well? |
| 05:53.49 | streuner_ | bullgard4: /j #kexi |
| 05:53.52 | zms | netboot image, I mean. |
| 05:54.37 | streuner_ | bullgard4: or read http://www.kexi-project.org/wiki/wikiview/index.php?Support |
| 05:54.38 | R4M0N | zms: did u look through all the special kernel boot parameters before starting the installer? |
| 05:54.47 | R4M0N | i remember theres a lot of them... |
| 05:55.12 | jetscreamer | #kexi can be slow |
| 05:55.14 | zms | R4M0N: Yes, I did. All the ones listed in F* pages. |
| 05:55.25 | jetscreamer | mostly poland time |
| 05:55.27 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 05:55.38 | zms | R4M0N: Is there any obvious one that I missed? |
| 05:55.57 | R4M0N | give me a sec i'll take a look at them |
| 05:56.03 | streuner_ | heh, you have the possitily to pay for (support), it should faster then :-P |
| 05:57.02 | streuner_ | well, .de and .pl time are the same, but on saturdays at this time its HARD ;-) |
| 05:57.28 | streuner_ | to get fast support (4 users) then |
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| 05:59.09 | Administrator | anyone see what exactly this compile error message means ? - '^' - bitwise operators are to be applied to integer values only |
| 06:00.30 | R4M0N | zms: it says 'if you experience lockups or other hardware failures, disable buddy apic iterrupt routing: noapic nolapic" |
| 06:00.41 | R4M0N | zms: i know you've tried noapic |
| 06:00.52 | R4M0N | but i'd try nolapic too |
| 06:01.10 | R4M0N | *buggy |
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| 06:01.27 | R4M0N | the other ones are mostly for old hardware |
| 06:01.30 | niru | I have a live cd |
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| 06:01.41 | niru | I want to make a bootable live usb out of that |
| 06:01.47 | niru | how can I do that |
| 06:02.24 | zms | R4M0N: Okie. Will try nolapic as well and report results. |
| 06:02.39 | niru | I want to make a live usb out of the live cd .iso image |
| 06:02.44 | niru | zms, any idea |
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| 06:02.48 | niru | any one |
| 06:02.56 | R4M0N | niru: what kind of live cd is it |
| 06:03.38 | niru | R430R, its a debian based live cd |
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| 06:04.11 | niru | R430R, I mean in general if I have a live cd .iso image |
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| 06:04.36 | niru | is this http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/Custom_Install document enough R430R |
| 06:04.51 | R4M0N | sorry, i cant help you with this, i have no idea :( dont have a big enough usb drive so i've never even attempted... |
| 06:05.30 | nvz | its not about the size of the drive, but the motion in the .. .. |
| 06:06.03 | niru | I have a 1GB usb drive |
| 06:06.08 | nvz | show off |
| 06:06.20 | nvz | mine is only 128mb :P |
| 06:06.33 | niru | nvz, any idea how I can proceed |
| 06:06.52 | R4M0N | mine is 128 too... i suggest following that howto |
| 06:06.59 | nvz | you could order a pizza and send it to your neighbors house |
| 06:07.11 | nvz | I'm not even paying attention so I don't know what you are talking about |
| 06:09.55 | zms | R4M0N: turning lapic and acpi off still gets stuck at the same point. I think it's worth repeating that the DVD drive is SATA.. may be we are missing SATA drivers in the installer? |
| 06:10.40 | R4M0N | zms: i have a sata lg dvd drive and i had no such problems with the installer |
| 06:11.09 | R4M0N | the system never booted after install but it was the amd64 version... |
| 06:11.47 | zms | R4M0N: and i does start booting off with the same drive so it seems kinda weird to think that way.. |
| 06:12.09 | zms | Do you think newer netinst images have newer kernels or are they stable kernels? |
| 06:12.48 | R4M0N | i read something about the r1 having a recompiled installer because of some kernel change |
| 06:13.10 | R4M0N | http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070817 |
| 06:13.29 | R4M0N | read the Debian-Installer Update part |
| 06:14.22 | zms | Thanks R4M0N |
| 06:14.47 | R4M0N | btw zms, you are not trying the amd64 version, are you? :) |
| 06:15.06 | Winkie | interesting, is that netboot not working manifested in being unable to mount a ramdisk? |
| 06:15.17 | Winkie | because i have been trying to UYOK with systemimager and the stock debian kernel just does not want to boot |
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| 06:15.26 | Winkie | also any news if ide=nodma is fixed in the latest ones? :) |
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| 06:17.58 | zms | R4M0N: not amd64. Core 2 Duo 2.66 GHz. |
| 06:18.21 | R4M0N | ok, just cuz i have bad experience with that... |
| 06:18.50 | zms | R4M0N: I wonder what would prevent system from booting right after install? |
| 06:19.13 | R4M0N | c that was my question too |
| 06:19.33 | R4M0N | i installed a dual boot system on my newly built box, xp + debian amd64 |
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| 06:19.51 | R4M0N | right after the install the grub didnt appear and xp just started booting |
| 06:20.33 | R4M0N | my friend told me that 64bit debian is really buggy so i just deleted it |
| 06:20.49 | jetscreamer | you didn't install to the mbr of the boot hd |
| 06:20.50 | zms | R4M0N: which one did you install first xp or debian? |
| 06:20.53 | linux_jones | ok so i got debian to install, after adding the /boot partition, but loading grub and the first 30 seconds of boot go by really slow, is that normal? |
| 06:20.54 | R4M0N | the grub package seemed to be installed properly but on boot there was no grub |
| 06:21.01 | R4M0N | xp of course... |
| 06:21.37 | R4M0N | linux_jones: depends on your hardware |
| 06:21.44 | R4M0N | and instaled packages |
| 06:22.27 | zms | linux_jones: first 30 seconds take exactly 30 seconds ;) just kidding |
| 06:22.29 | R4M0N | linux_jones: my athlon xp 2000+ server with 500mb ram and only the necessary services installed starts in about a minute |
| 06:22.37 | linux_jones | also, when i boot my computer, it goes untill gdm start, maybe one or 2 other things, then all the lights go out on the keyboard and the monitor shuts itself off (i got one of the dell monitors that does that), any ideas there? |
| 06:24.17 | R4M0N | thats strange :S |
| 06:24.17 | linux_jones | i opened the computer up so i have more specs now, the only thing i dont know is the cpu |
| 06:24.17 | R4M0N | what video card do u have |
| 06:24.17 | zms | linux_jones: only keyboard and monitor shutdown? rest remain up? |
| 06:24.18 | linux_jones | radeon 9800 pro 128M |
| 06:24.18 | R4M0N | if the monitor shuts down theres no video output form the vga... |
| 06:24.18 | R4M0N | *from |
| 06:24.22 | linux_jones | the power light stays on, the hard drive light goes off though |
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| 06:24.26 | R4M0N | i guess somethings wrong with your x setup |
| 06:24.40 | zms | I meant if the cabinet, HDD lights remain up or _everything_ goes down.. |
| 06:24.48 | R4M0N | go to console and type dpkg --reconfigure x-server-xorg |
| 06:25.17 | R4M0N | reconfigure ur x and make sure u have the right drivers loaded |
| 06:25.21 | linux_jones | zms: the power light stays on but the hdd light goes off |
| 06:25.33 | zms | had similar bad exeriences due to overheating |
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| 06:26.05 | linux_jones | zms, so let it cool down, or the mother board is already shot? |
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| 06:26.12 | steve__ | hi, how do i disable this imaginary horizontal scrollbar on my laptop's touchpad? its really annoying. |
| 06:26.53 | R4M0N | linux_jones: to c if its overheating try to install the yacpi package |
| 06:27.31 | linux_jones | R4M0N: i never get to a prompt |
| 06:27.57 | R4M0N | what if you try right when gdm starts loading |
| 06:28.15 | zms | linux_jones: do you have dual boot? |
| 06:28.25 | jetscreamer | what if you use the single option in the grub menu when you boot |
| 06:29.42 | linux_jones | zms: no |
| 06:29.56 | zms | linux_jones: then try what jetscreamer suggested |
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| 06:30.31 | linux_jones | ok, just a question i though of recentally, why cant linux just boot without grub, like windows? |
| 06:30.46 | R4M0N | windows has a bootloader too |
| 06:30.54 | zms | linux_jones: windows also uses a loader.. NTLDR |
| 06:30.56 | R4M0N | u need something in the mbr to start up the system |
| 06:31.09 | steve__ | hi, how do i disable this imaginary horizontal scrollbar on my laptop's touchpad? its really annoying. |
| 06:31.16 | jetscreamer | you can make the windows loader boot linux but |
| 06:31.40 | R4M0N | thats not worth it, jetscreamer :) |
| 06:31.51 | R4M0N | its way harder than getting grub to start windows |
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| 06:31.58 | jetscreamer | well |
| 06:31.59 | zms | grub rocks |
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| 06:32.31 | streuner_ | lilo too ;-) |
| 06:32.33 | jetscreamer | you dd the first 512 and make it a bootsec.dos then set up boot.ini .. or so |
| 06:32.41 | streuner_ | !start a bootloader war |
| 06:32.41 | dpkg | yaboot rules |
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| 06:33.18 | zms | streuner_: hehe |
| 06:34.05 | jetscreamer | grub just works.... of course the ubuntu version seems to be more borky |
| 06:34.11 | tsocks | damog: hello ;) |
| 06:34.19 | jetscreamer | ya'll must be secretly running ubuntu |
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| 06:34.40 | bullgard4 | How can I append 4000 records to a Kexi table? |
| 06:35.00 | jetscreamer | in the usual fashion? |
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| 06:35.42 | R4M0N | im out of here, its really late around here |
| 06:35.45 | R4M0N | peace guys |
| 06:36.02 | zms | R4M0N: thanks for the help. |
| 06:36.13 | R4M0N | np |
| 06:36.15 | R4M0N | bye everyone |
| 06:37.00 | streuner_ | bullgard4: did you read what we told you before? |
| 06:37.27 | thyko | how do i 'unkeep back' a packege thats been kept back? |
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| 06:37.45 | streuner_ | just install it |
| 06:38.14 | thyko | its already installed, but it cant be upgraded |
| 06:38.34 | streuner_ | why |
| 06:39.06 | streuner_ | !hold |
| 06:39.07 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 06:39.28 | thyko | thanks |
| 06:39.39 | linux_jones | i also get buffer i/o errors on hda |
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| 06:40.31 | zms | linux_jones: replace your hdd. |
| 06:41.31 | linux_jones | zms: so i just re booted it after setting it up again, the monitor didnt shut off, but the keyboard is unresponcive again, and the hdd light stopped blinking, is the hdd the cause of all of this? |
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| 06:42.07 | zms | linux_jones: I have faced precisely the same problems that you are reporting. You will get random issues from dispay, system freezing at random points. |
| 06:42.45 | linux_jones | zms: did you find out what it was? |
| 06:42.56 | zms | linux_jones: I sufferred for long time since there was no pattern in the madness except hdd showing i/o error messages at various times |
| 06:43.09 | zms | linux_jones: did usual fsck, badblocks did not help |
| 06:43.28 | zms | linux_jones: replacing hdd was the only thing that helped |
| 06:44.00 | zms | linux_jones: if possible get a spare drive from someone to confirm this |
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| 06:45.02 | linux_jones | ok so back to the origional grub error 18 message i was getting, if i take out the 80 gig hard drive debian is installed on, and use the 30 gig hdd thats just free space now, should i still get the grub error? |
| 06:45.38 | zms | linux_jones: where is grub installed? |
| 06:45.45 | JeffH | I have a disk with partitions hdb1, hdb2 and hdb3.. is there anyway to repartition where hdb2 and hdb3 are combined into a hdb2? |
| 06:46.25 | zms | JeffH: without losing data? |
| 06:46.52 | JeffH | zms: I don't care if I lose data on hdb2 and hdb3.. I'd prefer not to lose data on hdb1 |
| 06:47.15 | nvz | JeffH: then just delete 2 and 3 and make a new 2 |
| 06:47.35 | zms | nvz beat me to it |
| 06:47.43 | JeffH | nvz: using fdisk? that won't mess up hdb1? |
| 06:47.59 | zms | JeffH: no unless you do. :) |
| 06:48.09 | JeffH | haha |
| 06:48.31 | zms | JeffH: cfdisk is easier |
| 06:48.41 | JeffH | zms: okay |
| 06:48.43 | phrost6 | where can i find an initrd image for vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-xen-686? |
| 06:48.46 | nvz | JeffH: no, maybe cfdisk |
| 06:49.00 | phrost6 | to make a long story short, i need a 32 bit kernel on a 64 bit system for this xen VM.. but i don't have the initrd |
| 06:49.03 | nvz | might be less chance you'll mess up with a curses interface |
| 06:49.07 | phrost6 | and i dont think i can easily generate it |
| 06:49.40 | linux_jones | zms: mbr, but thats nother weird thing, when it was installing it said "running "grub-install (hd0)"... but the hard drive i was installing linux to was hda, is that normal? |
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| 06:51.17 | zms | linux_jones: yes, hd0 is first hdd which is hda |
| 06:51.51 | zms | linux_jones: which one is hda, 30g or 80g? |
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| 06:52.18 | phrost6 | can you convert from i386 to amd64 on debian? |
| 06:52.28 | linux_jones | zms: 80 |
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| 06:52.52 | datadr|nker | should i set my swap partition to BOOTABLE? |
| 06:52.59 | datadr|nker | in debian-installer |
| 06:53.10 | datadr|nker | is that why it complains about uswswap or whatever |
| 06:53.11 | nvz | no need |
| 06:53.22 | zms | linux_jones: I suggest remove 80g and reinstall on 30g |
| 06:53.25 | nvz | no harm though either |
| 06:53.55 | datadr|nker | why does it complain about swap |
| 06:54.02 | linux_jones | zms: with or without the /boot partition? |
| 06:54.07 | datadr|nker | without |
| 06:54.13 | datadr|nker | nm |
| 06:54.35 | zms | linux_jones: when you reinstall you will get a new /boot (unless you are making a single /) |
| 06:55.02 | zms | linux_jones: backup data from 30g and start afresh |
| 06:55.41 | linux_jones | zms: i would like to do a single/ i dont like how long it takes to boot with /boot |
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| 06:56.39 | zms | linux_jones: boot times do not depend on whether you do multiple partitions. |
| 06:57.03 | linux_jones | in a compleately unrelated question, is there any major advantages to ddr over sdram? |
| 06:57.09 | zms | linux_jones: (unless some are on separate exceptionally slow drives) |
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| 06:57.47 | nvz | you can get using the system faster by tweaking your startup scripts and the order |
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| 06:58.03 | nvz | many things could load after your graphical login if you set it up that way |
| 06:58.30 | |porta| | question... im using one irc program.. is this irc.debian.org? |
| 06:58.38 | jetscreamer | double dat rate comes to mind |
| 06:58.43 | jetscreamer | data |
| 06:58.54 | nvz | |porta|: no its freenode |
| 06:58.59 | |porta| | ok |
| 06:59.02 | |porta| | thank you |
| 06:59.05 | zms | linux_jones: GIYF :) http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT032701002751 |
| 06:59.12 | nvz | |porta|: debian is on oftc now |
| 06:59.22 | |porta| | ?? |
| 06:59.29 | nvz | |porta|: this is a bigger channe; though |
| 06:59.37 | |porta| | ok |
| 06:59.42 | nvz | |porta|: you can connect to bboth simultaniously |
| 06:59.51 | |porta| | so with this being debian i can ask questions about it? |
| 06:59.59 | |porta| | ok |
| 07:00.03 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 07:00.07 | |porta| | i'm still getting my feet wet |
| 07:00.10 | nvz | |porta|: what version of debian? |
| 07:00.13 | jetscreamer | wtf why would you ask about debian in #debian |
| 07:00.16 | |porta| | im on my 5th day of linux and loving it |
| 07:00.33 | |porta| | I thought this was the suse.org |
| 07:00.39 | |porta| | then channel debian |
| 07:00.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:00.44 | nvz | o.O |
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| 07:00.50 | jetscreamer | ok that's different |
| 07:01.11 | heB_z0rL | good day can somebody tell me why debian 4.0r0 fresh installed with no errors is doing this on the first boot? http://preview.tinyurl.com/2thqby i have a NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT (128 MB) thanks for the help |
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| 07:01.40 | |porta| | I'm just lost :-) |
| 07:02.01 | heB_z0rL | ah and it was the netinst iso |
| 07:02.03 | jetscreamer | !confuse |porta| |
| 07:02.03 | dpkg | No, those was their mushroom yesterday, |porta|? shirts of the republic of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 07:02.49 | |porta| | is aptitude the best program to pull packages for debian? |
| 07:02.54 | jetscreamer | heB_z0rL: do you see text when booting, then that happens? |
| 07:02.58 | jetscreamer | yeah |porta| |
| 07:03.01 | |porta| | ty |
| 07:03.06 | jetscreamer | or use a gui package manager if you want |
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| 07:03.12 | nvz | heB_z0rL: is this happening after installing the desktop system? |
| 07:03.13 | jetscreamer | like synaptic |
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| 07:03.22 | |porta| | please excuse if i ask a stupid question... i'm trying to get away from the windowz mentallity |
| 07:03.31 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 07:03.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:03.35 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 07:03.36 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 07:03.40 | heB_z0rL | jetscreamer: yes the error is aperaring when the login prompt (from the windows manager) would apear |
| 07:03.45 | jetscreamer | !love |porta| |
| 07:03.59 | |porta| | roflmao |
| 07:04.00 | jetscreamer | heB_z0rL: are you using the nv driver, or do you know? |
| 07:04.09 | jetscreamer | you might try hwinfo then drxx |
| 07:04.12 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 07:04.13 | dpkg | from memory, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 07:04.16 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 07:04.16 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 07:04.47 | heB_z0rL | i run the standard install from the netinst and coudnt change the driver |
| 07:04.49 | |porta| | !wifi |
| 07:04.49 | dpkg | i heard wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 07:04.59 | |porta| | !installingwifi |
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| 07:05.07 | |porta| | !installwifi |
| 07:05.08 | jetscreamer | heB_z0rL: boot the single option, then run stuff |
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| 07:05.14 | jetscreamer | or disable gdm |
| 07:05.26 | linux_jones | zms: ok the real question is my mother board will take 2g ddr or 3 gig sdram, the ddr is so much cheaper but is it worth it? |
| 07:05.46 | jetscreamer | if the ddr is cheaper it's a no brainer |
| 07:05.47 | heB_z0rL | ok i will try |
| 07:06.01 | jetscreamer | heB_z0rL: you want to choose the nv driver when asked... |
| 07:06.08 | jetscreamer | lemme look |
| 07:07.03 | nvz | linux_jones: ddr is twice the speed |
| 07:07.29 | linux_jones | so its a good deal? |
| 07:07.36 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/nv.4.html |
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| 07:07.41 | jetscreamer | ddr>sdr |
| 07:08.06 | jetscreamer | GeForce 6XXX supported |
| 07:08.15 | jetscreamer | nv good |
| 07:08.26 | nvz | linux_jones: you should already know |
| 07:08.51 | yangx | Will the core 2 duo processor boot if I have -k7 kernel installed? |
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| 07:10.18 | linux_jones | i got this computer for free and its turning into a huge pain |
| 07:10.48 | heB_z0rL | maybe he hase props with the 2 screens? |
| 07:10.53 | heB_z0rL | -e |
| 07:11.17 | nvz | linux_jones: why |
| 07:12.07 | linux_jones | all this hard drive jazz |
| 07:12.22 | linux_jones | hopefully switching them will help |
| 07:13.24 | yangx | core 2 duo linux-image is -686 ? |
| 07:13.32 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:13.38 | jetscreamer | k7 is athlon |
| 07:13.52 | linux_jones | would both of them being set up as master be a problem? |
| 07:13.56 | yangx | so will it boot or not with -k7 ? |
| 07:13.57 | datadr|nker | where can i find the sources.list line for the lenny repository? |
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| 07:14.06 | jetscreamer | i dunno, maybe |
| 07:14.09 | JeffH | if umount is saying it can't unmount a paritition because its busy.. how can I find out what is using it? |
| 07:14.10 | jetscreamer | never tried |
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| 07:14.14 | jetscreamer | lsop |
| 07:14.16 | jetscreamer | err |
| 07:14.19 | jetscreamer | lsof |
| 07:14.21 | datadr|nker | jetscreamer i need your lenny deb |
| 07:14.25 | jetscreamer | ListOpenFiles |
| 07:14.40 | jetscreamer | ok it's at debian.org |
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| 07:15.29 | jetscreamer | S |
| 07:16.02 | datadr|nker | cant find it |
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| 07:18.01 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 07:18.01 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:20.04 | JeffH | when using cfdisk what is the 'type' for 'Linux reiser'? I don't see it in the list. |
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| 07:21.38 | jetscreamer | just choose 83, it's linux |
| 07:21.43 | jetscreamer | 82/83 i forget |
| 07:21.47 | jetscreamer | 83 i think |
| 07:21.57 | jetscreamer | then mkfs.reiser or whatever |
| 07:22.09 | jetscreamer | 82 is swap i believe |
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| 07:22.37 | |porta| | yes 82 is for swap... i'm changing my drives around now |
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| 07:23.14 | gimmal | anyone might know a good deb-packaged tool for creating boot/rescue cds with? |
| 07:23.25 | gimmal | looked at dfsbuild, but the docs for it do not describe the configs for it, enough |
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| 07:23.46 | xingu | gimmal: mindi |
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| 07:24.08 | gimmal | xingu: will look for it, danke |
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| 07:25.07 | gimmal | hmm; was hoping for something more integrated with the debian packaging system. dfsbuild doesn't look like it's all the way there, either, hehe |
| 07:25.11 | ravn | anyone: I would like to have a perl-script run as soon as I boot a machine, what is the preferred way of doing this? |
| 07:25.21 | gimmal | I want to be able to select the packages to install on the flipping rescue image, y'know |
| 07:25.40 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:25.49 | gimmal | which dfsbuild does do; maybe it's worth trying it, doubt it though i do |
| 07:26.10 | xingu | gimmal: sounds like you're after something more akin to openwrt's ipkg |
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| 07:30.05 | jetscreamer | just make a custom livec |
| 07:30.07 | jetscreamer | cd |
| 07:30.22 | jetscreamer | !live |
| 07:30.23 | dpkg | Debian Live provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live |
| 07:30.26 | gimmal | xingu: haven't heard of it, maybe; what is openwrt |
| 07:30.31 | gimmal | ? |
| 07:32.03 | xingu | gimmal: what I'm getting at is that your classic boot rescue environment literally doesn't have the space to entertain a full blown package database and related tools; openwrt is a linux distribution for low end consumer electronic devices and their packing system works in small spaces |
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| 07:32.54 | xingu | gimmal: like jetscreamer says if you want a heavyweight rescue environment and you've already assumed your boot media will be cdrom-sized or larger, build a custom livecd is another way to go. |
| 07:33.20 | xingu | gimmal: I'd kind-of assumed by "boot/rescue" you were going to be targetting 1-64mb or so. |
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| 07:35.26 | gimmal | xingu: aha, I understand the matter about space restrictions, on small media, yeah. if I can't boot a dvd-r, I can at least boot a cd-r, should be enough space for a few helpful packages |
| 07:35.54 | gimmal | not sure if dvd-rs are bootable .. stupid thought, as if they weren't. my installation media was dvd-r, doh |
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| 07:36.44 | gimmal | xingu: well, I'm basically after something that can load a kernel with ntfs support, and let me run cfdisk |
| 07:37.02 | tsocks | see you guys... |
| 07:37.06 | gimmal | are there any deb packages available for supporting the creation of custom livecds? |
| 07:38.17 | gimmal | not sure what's on all those partitions; just need to check it, before nuking 'em, heh |
| 07:39.19 | gimmal | fwiw, MSI sucks on the software/support end |
| 07:39.19 | gimmal | for their laptops, it appears |
| 07:39.26 | jetscreamer | probably your restroe partition |
| 07:39.32 | gimmal | haven't tried their live support, but the software they make ain't supportive of much |
| 07:39.33 | jetscreamer | make install cd's before nuking it |
| 07:39.45 | jetscreamer | usually you have to nowadays |
| 07:39.51 | gimmal | jetscreamer: I wish the laptop's stuff made it look as if it was, hehe |
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| 07:40.07 | gimmal | maybe it's being read silently by the windows-rescue-or-wtf-overwrite-all-the-shytte disk |
| 07:40.19 | jetscreamer | then when you make sure you can always reinstall it if you wanted to, dd the hd |
| 07:40.22 | gimmal | empahsis on "shytte disk" |
| 07:40.27 | jetscreamer | then create partitions |
| 07:40.59 | gimmal | there is no option for making install/rescue cds, not like there is on this hp box |
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| 07:41.48 | gimmal | whoever partitioned the thing had a screwy idea, either. about 2 megs are being wasted, on it, in two separate unused spaces |
| 07:41.56 | Selenolycus | What's a decent console-based audio player? |
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| 07:42.06 | gimmal | and there's 3 partitions, in addition to those |
| 07:42.16 | gimmal | one with about 32 gigs, one with about 120, one with like 1 gig |
| 07:42.19 | xingu | msi prefer to work through retailers I think rather than directly with end users; and it helps if the tech support at the retailer is fluent in taiwanese |
| 07:42.24 | gimmal | it's fscking weird |
| 07:42.41 | gimmal | xingu: doh; newegg was my retailer, hehe |
| 07:42.49 | xingu | caveat emptor. |
| 07:43.08 | gimmal | i guess so; the product page didn't say anything about a fscked-up setup |
| 07:43.17 | xingu | moral of this story is if you're going to buy whitebox, do your homework on the retailer |
| 07:43.46 | gimmal | last thing I saw before the windowzer shytte got borked, the vista crap was telling me the product reg. key was invalid -- and I didn't even enter a flipping reg key, the shytte took care of it somehow silently, and brokenly, apparently |
| 07:44.01 | gimmal | that, and it had been working, plenty, before |
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| 07:44.20 | gimmal | and nothing anywhere about the thing has said anything about it being a temporary registration, last guess I have to go on, about it |
| 07:44.40 | xingu | gimmal: probably 1x of them is a boot partition containing customised windows+drivers install media or install image; 1x will of course be windows itself; 1x will probably be a hibernation partition |
| 07:44.57 | gimmal | if they want to work with retailers, fine, but don't screw it up when dealing directly with an end-user, all i ask |
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| 07:45.15 | xingu | hah |
| 07:45.21 | gimmal | xingu: hibernation, ok |
| 07:45.23 | xingu | how's your taiwanese? :) |
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| 07:45.51 | gimmal | xingu: ayeh, pretty poor. once, I knew how to write "tree" in chinese, I think ;) |
| 07:45.54 | jetscreamer | bout as good as my chinese |
| 07:46.29 | gimmal | so, I can probably expect the dozer-mux rescue shytte to completely repartition the disk when it runs? |
| 07:46.48 | xingu | my (uniwill) retailer managed to dtrt for me; got the upstream to bake a custom branch of their bios just for yours truly |
| 07:46.51 | xingu | now there's service. :) |
| 07:47.10 | xingu | gimmal: /only/ the one shipped on cd; the one on the hdd should just rebuild the system |
| 07:47.19 | gimmal | I would love to leave windows off the thing, but I'll be needing it if simply for dvd-watching, and some games |
| 07:47.56 | xingu | gimmal: I bet the cd is just like the old sony approach - fdisk, mbr, plonk an image into the install partition, reboot the install partition, scripted windows reinstall |
| 07:47.56 | gimmal | xingu: afaik, there's nothing extra accessible on the disk, just the windowzer crap ... will check that boot screen again, though |
| 07:48.37 | xingu | linux's dvd-watching works pretty well for me |
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| 07:49.22 | xingu | better in fact than the 'doze; my upstream's nvidia drivers are pre-purevideo and @1680x1050 things like bus saturation start to become a factor. |
| 07:49.48 | xingu | xvmc of course leaps right over that little problem. |
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| 07:50.11 | gimmal | nope, no access to any rescue shytte |
| 07:50.28 | xingu | it might be an iso image... |
| 07:50.44 | gimmal | xingu: afaik, it's something weird that does a full windows install, but isn't a windows disk. "afaik", I say, but most of that is probably some wishful thinking |
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| 07:51.09 | xingu | gimmal: it could well be an el-torito iso image. |
| 07:51.24 | gimmal | yeah, I never learned what el-torito is about |
| 07:51.44 | xingu | gimmal: iso9660+joilette+boot "floppy" header |
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| 07:52.14 | gimmal | ok; not sure what joilette is, or how it fits together, hehe |
| 07:52.25 | xingu | long filename extentions for iso9660 |
| 07:52.57 | simonrvn | 'extensions' |
| 07:53.05 | gimmal | aha |
| 07:53.27 | gimmal | well, I still sure wish I could nuke all that windows crap on the thing |
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| 07:53.40 | simonrvn | !nuke windows thing |
| 07:53.48 | gimmal | I fsking hate this weird oem-erific windows-install mess |
| 07:54.05 | simonrvn | my condolences |
| 07:54.10 | xingu | it's designed to minimise the length of support calls |
| 07:54.27 | xingu | all nodes on the troubleshooting tree lead to "reinstall and call back" |
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| 07:54.43 | simonrvn | "MY PEECEE WON'T B00 FUXURS!~!~!~!~~!!!11111~!!" |
| 07:55.45 | gimmal | is talking about decss a no-go, hereabouts? |
| 07:55.57 | simonrvn | depends what country you're in ;) |
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| 07:56.14 | gimmal | but fsck it, even if I could watch all my dvds on my linux box, I still wouldn't be able to mess around with all those time-wasting games, on it |
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| 07:56.32 | simonrvn | wine ring a bell? |
| 07:56.41 | simonrvn | !wine |
| 07:56.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 07:56.44 | gimmal | yeah, but I doubt it can handle FEAR |
| 07:57.08 | simonrvn | it's a set of apps, i don't think it would "understand" fear |
| 07:57.15 | gimmal | or Fable, hehe |
| 07:57.19 | simonrvn | :P |
| 07:57.22 | aieldkjw | get a second box/partition running windows just for gaming |
| 07:57.28 | gimmal | simonrvn: hah |
| 07:57.29 | aieldkjw | that's what I do |
| 07:57.57 | aieldkjw | works like a charm, everything important is on the linux |
| 07:57.59 | gimmal | aieldkjw: I'm entering a situation in which my laptop will be the only box I'll have access to, for a while. I'm going on vacation, you could say, and hopefully that's enough said, hehe |
| 07:58.21 | aieldkjw | you're going to prison? |
| 07:58.28 | aieldkjw | I didn't know they let people keep laptops in there |
| 07:58.32 | aieldkjw | going to sneak it in eh? |
| 07:58.40 | gimmal | I guess I'll just have to reinstall windows, first, then shrink that 120 gig partition down, and use the rest of that for linux |
| 07:58.43 | xingu | obviously not a federal pound him up the jacksie penitentiary |
| 07:59.05 | gimmal | aieldkjw: nope; I don't think they allow laptops in most prisons, save for wherever martha stewart was, either, hehe |
| 07:59.26 | gimmal | just guessing |
| 07:59.29 | aieldkjw | hehe |
| 07:59.37 | aieldkjw | yeah, I'd really recommend dual booting |
| 07:59.49 | aieldkjw | I used wine for about a year or so, gaming most every week |
| 07:59.49 | xingu | I'd recommend a lobotomy |
| 08:00.00 | simonrvn | dual boot is probably your best option, sad to say |
| 08:00.15 | aieldkjw | it's ok for older games, but newer ones not so much, and native speed is so much better |
| 08:00.20 | aieldkjw | just, I don't know, torrent it or something |
| 08:00.23 | simonrvn | "best", i.e., for what you want to do |
| 08:00.23 | gimmal | well, 's what I planned on, a dual-boot setup, just got freaked out at that partition layout, when looking at it from a shell in the deb installer |
| 08:00.24 | xingu | the only good thing about pc gaming is that it's brought thunderingly quick gl performance to within reach of the common pleb like me |
| 08:01.06 | aieldkjw | get it for free however you would |
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| 08:01.19 | simonrvn | and "not as highly intense GL" to older cards even (like the one i have in this old dinosaur) |
| 08:01.28 | sigp239 | Hello what does joining freenode do? |
| 08:01.37 | aieldkjw | free money |
| 08:01.39 | aieldkjw | every day |
| 08:01.43 | simonrvn | ask in #defocus or #freenode |
| 08:01.44 | aieldkjw | you house payments |
| 08:01.45 | aieldkjw | all done |
| 08:01.47 | xingu | aieldkjw: does wine do a passable job at handing rendering over to the linux side for hw accel? |
| 08:01.51 | aieldkjw | and jesus visits you personally |
| 08:01.54 | gimmal | joining freenode? like signing on with irc, or do they have some sort of a members org, now? |
| 08:02.02 | gimmal | hah! |
| 08:02.09 | gimmal | lol aieldkjw |
| 08:02.43 | karsten | zms: Sorry, dropped my wireless link. Problem sorted yet? |
| 08:03.04 | aieldkjw | xingu:wine did a fairly good job with graphics all around |
| 08:03.07 | simonrvn | karsten, hi |
| 08:03.33 | aieldkjw | it's not as good as native, and sometimes you have to run a program with wine through the command line |
| 08:03.51 | karsten | simonrvn: Greets |
| 08:03.56 | gimmal | the web just makes sense, when you're using linux |
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| 08:04.30 | aieldkjw | the only problems I ever got would be missing libs, or it would take a lot of memory to run games |
| 08:04.51 | simonrvn | they take a lot of mem in linu too... |
| 08:04.52 | simonrvn | x |
| 08:05.00 | aieldkjw | if it's all you have, it's a great program, and does it's job well considering it's free |
| 08:05.02 | gimmal | so, what would y'all use to make a livecd? anything that can use debian packages, when it does? |
| 08:05.03 | simonrvn | some anyway |
| 08:05.15 | simonrvn | !debian live |
| 08:05.21 | simonrvn | !live debian |
| 08:05.25 | aieldkjw | !debian-live |
| 08:05.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:05.30 | karsten | zms: About to go to sleep, but from scrollback, looks as if Ubuntu's using a more recent kernel, after the version which the bugreport I pointed at earlier claims fixes the problem. Ask channel about chroot. |
| 08:05.31 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 08:05.32 | aieldkjw | booYAH! |
| 08:05.32 | sigp239 | Why the F does Debian think my time is 02:05 when it is 17:05? |
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| 08:05.55 | gimmal | aieldkjw: danke sehr |
| 08:06.18 | aieldkjw | gimmal: denada |
| 08:06.22 | karsten | zms: ... which really isn't that hard, and use ubuntu & chroot to install an updated (eg: 2.6.22) kernel. See if that boots. |
| 08:07.02 | sigp239 | And...why does Windows XP Home Edition have the correct time but Debian GNU/Linux does not? |
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| 08:07.16 | karsten | sigp239: Either your TZ is set wrong, you're set to GMT, or your HW clock is set to localtime and something else is fighting with you over what that should be. Try installing ntpdate |
| 08:07.19 | simonrvn | the hwclock is set per xp's |
| 08:07.22 | karsten | sigp239: You're dual booting? |
| 08:07.58 | karsten | sigp239: 'hwclock --localtime' |
| 08:08.20 | karsten | sigp239: ... and note that at DST shifts both OSs will try to "fix" the local time. |
| 08:08.20 | xingu | hmm, time to go and kill something important |
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| 08:09.09 | aieldkjw | if I wanted to dual boot my machine, two harddrives, one with windows, one with linux, do I still have to change the MBR, or do I have to change the boot sequence in my BIOS? |
| 08:09.33 | karsten | aieldkjw: Lots of options. I'd use GRUB m'self. |
| 08:09.45 | karsten | aieldkjw: Dual-boot / multi-boot config is very well documented. |
| 08:10.28 | aieldkjw | I was just not sure because I haven't found any docs related to dual booting with multipel harddrives |
| 08:11.00 | karsten | aieldkjw: Same as any other way. |
| 08:11.28 | gimmal | hmmm, live-helper package |
| 08:11.47 | gimmal | wherever it exists, it's mentioned in the debian-live docs, heh |
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| 08:12.15 | zms | karsten: valdyn on #debian@oftc suggested using current d-i (has newer kernel) since I anyway will dist-upgrade to sid. |
| 08:12.25 | zms | downloading d-i at the moment |
| 08:13.14 | gimmal | anyone know of a trusty backports mirror? looking for cdebootstrap and live-helper on etch |
| 08:14.55 | karsten | zms: chroot and install updated kernel's a hell of a lot faster. |
| 08:15.40 | karsten | zms: Boot ubuntu. Mount your Debian root partition. Cd to it. 'chroot . bash'. If you've got additional partitions, mount those ('mount -a' should do it). Install the kernel. 'umount -a' to umount, exit chroot, done. |
| 08:16.46 | gimmal | anyone might know of something like rpm-search but for debs, either? |
| 08:17.06 | zms | karsten: I wanted to do this but I also want to do raid+lvm. Setting it up would be much easier with d-i, I think. no? |
| 08:17.25 | zms | moreover, I want pure debian. |
| 08:17.43 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 08:17.44 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 08:19.06 | gimmal | hey, look, i found my long-lost car-keys ;) |
| 08:19.59 | gimmal | so, i won't have to use the hotwire switch, any more. cool; will google for it |
| 08:20.03 | sigp239 | And...why does Windows XP Home Edition have the correct time but Debian GNU/Linux does not? |
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| 08:20.22 | dondelelcaro | sigp239: please don't ask the same question in two separate channels. |
| 08:20.59 | martman | is there a easy way to configure time/timezone? |
| 08:21.10 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 08:21.10 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 08:21.24 | jetscreamer | because windows turns on ntp by default and debian doesn't |
| 08:21.38 | jetscreamer | bill knows what's best for you |
| 08:21.43 | jetscreamer | do his bidding |
| 08:21.52 | dondelelcaro | it's not that it turns it on really, it's that it thinks the bios clock is set to the local timezone. |
| 08:21.59 | streuner | dondelelcaro: dpkg-reconfigure tzdate (prolly) for testing/unstable |
| 08:22.02 | gimmal | wtf http://cia.vc ? |
| 08:22.19 | twb | Why adjtimex and not ntpdate? |
| 08:22.20 | dondelelcaro | streuner: that actually just runs tzconfig (or at least, it did) |
| 08:22.23 | dondelelcaro | twb: both. |
| 08:22.41 | streuner | dondelelcaro: tzconfig isn't in testing/unstable anymore |
| 08:23.06 | jetscreamer | no xp and above have , basically, net time /setsntp:time.windows.com |
| 08:23.06 | twb | I dern't understand dpkg's memo, then, and a bottle of rum! |
| 08:23.06 | karsten | zms: For RAID/LVM, yeah, probably. |
| 08:23.06 | karsten | zms: G'night. |
| 08:23.06 | jetscreamer | it's on by default |
| 08:23.06 | karsten | dondelelcaro: G'day and g'night. |
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| 08:23.28 | dondelelcaro | streuner: ah; could be |
| 08:23.40 | bullgard4 | streuner: Who is 'we'? |
| 08:23.50 | simonrvn | karsten: g'night dude. sleep well |
| 08:24.09 | streuner | bullgard4: jetscreamer, karsten and me ;-) |
| 08:24.21 | jetscreamer | that's right! |
| 08:24.21 | gimmal | woohoo |
| 08:24.22 | twb | bullgard4: de refawhmed lancarshire clog dancing society |
| 08:24.22 | gimmal | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Backports |
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| 08:24.35 | dondelelcaro | twb: adjtimex may be required to bring tick and frequency into a range where ntpd can take over; ntpd -q; does what ntpdate did. |
| 08:24.45 | streuner | bullgard4: anyway, its (prolly) hard to get an answer about, just ask on there ML |
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| 08:25.14 | twb | dondelelcaro, like, uhh: so I should be purging ntpdate and installing something else? |
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| 08:25.38 | gimmal | www.backports.org, qewl |
| 08:26.04 | dondelelcaro | twb: if the computer is always on, and the clock is good enough so ntp doesn't give up, yeah. |
| 08:26.16 | twb | Fawh computers dat aren't always on. Okay? |
| 08:26.30 | zms | karsten: Thanks for the alternate though. Will come in handy, I am sure. |
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| 08:27.02 | karsten | zms: it does. |
| 08:27.18 | karsten | zms: I wrote the chroot install docs originally (they've been heaviliy modified since). |
| 08:27.38 | gimmal | uhhhhhh... W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 08:27.41 | bullgard4 | streuner: I cannot find that jetscreamer directed any message to me. |
| 08:27.46 | gimmal | does dpkg know something about that, when it comes out from apt-get ? |
| 08:27.48 | dondelelcaro | gimmal: see /topic |
| 08:27.54 | karsten | gimmal: Get the key. /msg dpkg gpg key |
| 08:27.59 | gimmal | danke |
| 08:28.08 | streuner | bullgard4: its wasn't directly..., just search on there ML archive too |
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| 08:28.47 | gimmal | why hello, dpkg .. hehe |
| 08:28.48 | twb | The funny thing is that two machines I have, both using ntp, are STILL 5 minutes out of sync. |
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| 08:29.06 | twb | Rather, I have 3 and the one that disagrees is running Ubuntu |
| 08:29.15 | xand | that's ubuntu for you ;) |
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| 08:29.22 | twb | I suspect it's just the shitty ubuntu ntp server |
| 08:29.30 | simonrvn | they should be running ntpd with -g option |
| 08:29.34 | dondelelcaro | twb: yeah, I'd check what ntpq; peers; says. |
| 08:30.11 | simonrvn | /usr/sbin/ntpd --help; ;) |
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| 08:30.32 | twb | ...waaaait a minute, ntp isn't on that box after all |
| 08:30.42 | twb | Oh yes, it is. |
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| 08:31.05 | simonrvn | they install it by default IIRC |
| 08:31.07 | bullgard4 | streuner: karsten wished me "Have a nice day." at 07:41. Do mean this answer? |
| 08:31.18 | twb | ntp-simple is installed, but it only suggests ntp under Ubuntu :-/ |
| 08:31.34 | gimmal | dpkg: security updates for etch ??? |
| 08:31.52 | simonrvn | !test |
| 08:31.52 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 08:31.59 | simonrvn | @test |
| 08:32.01 | ravenbird | simonrvn: grrr, what do *you* want? |
| 08:32.02 | gimmal | !blankie |
| 08:32.02 | dpkg | somebody said blankie was see wolfie |
| 08:32.08 | gimmal | hehe |
| 08:32.12 | streuner | bullgard4: well, i told you before, its pretty hard to get help at saturdays in a channel with 4 users, pay some attention next time when you visit one and asking for help please. |
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| 08:32.51 | simonrvn | s,^users,active , |
| 08:32.59 | gimmal | !security |
| 08:33.00 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". , or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 08:33.11 | gimmal | qool |
| 08:33.15 | bullgard4 | streuner: Your message is not helpful. |
| 08:33.25 | simonrvn | you can also /msg the bot |
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| 08:33.49 | aieldkjw | does Debian have SELinux built in automatically? |
| 08:33.54 | gimmal | hmmmm .... # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: |
| 08:33.54 | gimmal | #deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 08:34.37 | streuner | bullgard4: We try our best, but we have limits too... |
| 08:34.43 | gimmal | aieldkjw: it's available, that could be built-in enough, hehe |
| 08:34.55 | aieldkjw | ok |
| 08:34.59 | gimmal | throwing selinux configs at users, with no warning, imo would be a bad idea |
| 08:35.36 | bzed | imho selinux is a bad idea |
| 08:35.45 | gimmal | hollleeeee carp, 268MB over a connection that tends to max out at 6 kb/s ?! |
| 08:35.58 | ameyer | here's the question, does any distro use SELinux much by default? |
| 08:36.08 | aieldkjw | fedora |
| 08:36.09 | simonrvn | aieldkjw: yes; disabled by default in debian kernels, the software is built with the support |
| 08:36.13 | aieldkjw | atlaest, FC6 did |
| 08:36.14 | gimmal | at least apt can reget partial content |
| 08:36.26 | ameyer | I know fedora ships with it, or at least did, but do they actually use it? |
| 08:36.28 | simonrvn | aieldkjw: including PAM |
| 08:36.35 | ameyer | or is it a marketing thing |
| 08:36.42 | gimmal | fedora is just high-speed soundin' like that :smirk: |
| 08:36.48 | aieldkjw | when I installed FC6 it used it |
| 08:36.58 | aieldkjw | and then I disabled it |
| 08:37.22 | aieldkjw | (I don't trust the NSA) |
| 08:37.35 | ameyer | Personally, I tend to distrust anything that was written by the NSA, although I'm sure the code is under heavy scrutiny |
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| 08:37.57 | simonrvn | apt-cache rdepends libselinux1 |
| 08:38.11 | gimmal | imo, selinux is only at its full potential when (1) it's absolutely necessary, and (3) when the admin would be able to make quick sense of how it works, and how to configure it to work according to the one's needs, along with (2) when the admin can figure out how his net's needs fits in with selinux. I ain't got there, myself, yet, and ain't expecting to, quite any time soon, hehe |
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| 08:38.34 | gimmal | either that, or just throw-in the default configs, and trust that it works well for what it's made for, hehe |
| 08:38.35 | bzed | selinux i wya too blown up and complicated |
| 08:38.36 | ameyer | The NSA did write SELinux, right? |
| 08:38.36 | simonrvn | aieldkjw: apt-cache rdepends libselinux1 |
| 08:38.56 | crm | is there a debian package for matlab? |
| 08:38.57 | simonrvn | yes, and they maintain it |
| 08:39.06 | gimmal | simonrvn: possibly because it supports selinux, but it doesn't necessarily require it |
| 08:39.09 | simonrvn | !tell crm -about search |
| 08:39.11 | bzed | better use grsecurity, which comes with a ton of other security features which are much mroe needed than selinux, and it has rsbac, if you really need it |
| 08:39.32 | ameyer | and I'm sure they'd get caught if they slipped a backdoor into SELinux, right? |
| 08:39.36 | bzed | crm: if matlab would be open source, there would be one for sure |
| 08:39.40 | gimmal | the kernel can be configured to allow activation of selinux at boot-time, with some sort of a simple flag kind of thing, fwiw |
| 08:39.53 | gimmal | imo, selinux's RBAC sounds realluy cool |
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| 08:40.09 | bzed | gimmal: have a look at grsecurity's rbac |
| 08:40.14 | gimmal | but the configs for it can seem kind of hairy, esp. when split across so many many applications |
| 08:40.17 | ameyer | I'm sorry, I should stop with the FUD |
| 08:40.28 | twb | IME, selinux makes things so difficult that just about everybody turns off enforcement |
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| 08:40.39 | gimmal | bzed: hadn't heard of grsecurity |
| 08:40.49 | ameyer | but any code written by a spy agency should (in my opinion) be under heavy scrutiny |
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| 08:41.01 | bzed | gimmal: http://www.grsecurity.org/ |
| 08:41.43 | gimmal | bzed: cool; danke |
| 08:41.53 | twb | bzed: you'd "install" it using module-assistant? |
| 08:42.08 | bzed | twb: grsecurity? |
| 08:42.12 | twb | bzed: ya |
| 08:42.14 | bzed | definitely not |
| 08:42.23 | bzed | you'd patch your kernel and rebuild it |
| 08:42.27 | twb | Ah, OK. |
| 08:42.28 | bzed | with the options set |
| 08:42.34 | gimmal | man, I need a workflow hibernation app or some shytte -- something to help me pick up where I left off, and to remember what I was doing with athat, when I come back to it, a few days or weeks later. I ain't been botting to debian, often |
| 08:42.50 | bzed | btw, the're vserver patches with grsecurity integrated - veryuseful for servers |
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| 08:43.47 | gimmal | hm, ain't been booting to deb, often, either |
| 08:43.56 | gimmal | !bottle |
| 08:44.00 | xand | "haven't" |
| 08:44.11 | bzed | gimmal: suspend to disk? |
| 08:44.13 | gimmal | negatyve |
| 08:44.30 | gimmal | bzed: if they installed one in my cranial cavity, mebbe |
| 08:44.36 | bzed | haha |
| 08:44.44 | twb | Don't you just install uswsusp and everything magically works, as long as you have a swap partition? |
| 08:45.17 | ameyer | haha, <3 wikipedia truthyness... apparently the first Ubuntu release based on Etch will have SELinux... |
| 08:45.17 | bzed | uh? |
| 08:45.17 | bzed | they use apparmor afaik |
| 08:45.44 | bzed | twb: depends on your hardware and the modules your're using, and your luck. it may work, or not |
| 08:45.46 | twb | gimmal: maybe you wanna run tdl --list in your .profile or something |
| 08:45.51 | ameyer | I believe they do |
| 08:46.02 | peterS | ameyer: "based on etch"? ubuntu releases aren't based on debian stable anyway.... |
| 08:46.06 | ameyer | although the big WTF is that Ubuntu is based on sid |
| 08:46.10 | peterS | yeah |
| 08:46.14 | ameyer | as I understand it |
| 08:46.25 | ameyer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SELinux#Implementations |
| 08:46.41 | gimmal | twb: maybe it could help, but i've been botting straing to gdm, with this install |
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| 08:47.16 | twb | *booting |
| 08:47.24 | twb | *straight |
| 08:47.32 | gimmal | well, maybe not steroids, but something reminiscent of tcm, maybe -- writing would work better, probably |
| 08:47.35 | twb | *shite |
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| 08:48.48 | gimmal | botting straing, yeah, reallyt paying attention to thys kyeboradd |
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| 08:49.39 | twb | gimmal: UML? That's for talking to manglement, not other engineers. |
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| 08:50.39 | Dewi | dpkg: exim |
| 08:50.40 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to exim4 for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 08:50.42 | Dewi | dpkg: postfix |
| 08:50.43 | dpkg | it has been said that postfix is a really cool MTA, which tries not to be too unlike sendmail so that its hard to get used to but is much better than sendmail or is at http://www.postfix.org/ or #postfix |
| 08:50.43 | gimmal | twb: well, conceivably, an engineer-friendly thing based on uml would work -- not using the default wtf-they-call-it (metametaschema, or some shytte) |
| 08:50.57 | liable | !msg the bot |
| 08:50.57 | dpkg | well, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 08:51.07 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 08:51.19 | gimmal | maybe that's what's the problem with those OMG docs, they're trying to be manager-friendly?? |
| 08:51.26 | twb | I fail to see how object-oriented idiocy can be used for task management. |
| 08:51.29 | ootput | hi guys, i noticed the 4.0r1 release. Should i get the latest install medium, or should i stick with my 4.0 etch release net-install cd? |
| 08:51.52 | simonrvn | ootput: network based update will get you to that version |
| 08:51.55 | twb | ootput: you can just upgrade via the net |
| 08:51.57 | gimmal | manager-flattering, even, bs-ified, at that |
| 08:51.57 | liable | ootput: use you old one, just do an upgrade after install |
| 08:52.07 | crm | man.. i've got to pay for matlab?? |
| 08:52.16 | gimmal | twb: hah |
| 08:52.19 | simonrvn | through the nose i hear |
| 08:52.26 | twb | crm: Xah Lee loves matlab. It surely must suck. |
| 08:52.42 | gimmal | imo, the omg does have some good theory going, it just gets nearly lost in their explanations of it |
| 08:53.04 | Kjikaqawej | bwahaha fall into my spamtrap s0x0rs |
| 08:53.39 | twb | gimmal: well, their job is to make the obvious extremely complicated, so people pay them to deal with it. |
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| 08:53.55 | gimmal | hah! well said, twb |
| 08:54.09 | crm | is there an open source equivalent to matlab?? |
| 08:54.29 | twb | Perhaps macsyma? |
| 08:54.34 | gimmal | to make the obvious exteremely complicated -- translate it to latin, it could be on the omg's hearldry |
| 08:54.34 | crm | i can't afford 99US.. plus 59 for every additional library |
| 08:55.06 | aieldkjw | torrent? |
| 08:55.22 | twb | I was under the impression that matlab was just Lisp with an extensive math library and a silly syntax; macsyma fits that bill. |
| 08:55.35 | gimmal | hey, what's anyone's favorite game on linux? |
| 08:55.47 | twb | gimmal: "will it work if I reboot" |
| 08:55.48 | adaro | you mean linux has games ? |
| 08:56.10 | NicNac | games? |
| 08:56.14 | crm | does it read the .m files twb ? |
| 08:56.16 | gimmal | twb: mwahahaa |
| 08:56.28 | adaro | does twiddeling with vi count as a game |
| 08:56.31 | streuner | crm: can you read german? :-) |
| 08:56.38 | NicNac | what are these games you speak of? |
| 08:56.39 | twb | crm: no, that's gobjc's job. |
| 08:56.40 | aieldkjw | NWN |
| 08:56.51 | gimmal | searchandrescue, sabre, some old lucasarts scummvm games, ... |
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| 08:56.58 | streuner | !find Octave |
| 08:57.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Octave' (5 of 10): (/usr/share/doc/lp-solve-doc/Octave.htm) in doc/lp-solve-doc ;; (/usr/share/info/Octave2.9-FAQ.info.gz) in math/octave2.9-info ;; (/usr/share/info/Octave2.1-FAQ.info.gz) in math/octave2.1-info ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Inline/Octave.pm) in perl/libinline-octave-perl ;; (/usr/share/doc/octave2.1-doc/Octave-FAQ.pdf.gz) in doc/octave2.1-doc. |
| 08:57.24 | streuner | crm: GNU Octave |
| 08:57.37 | NicNac | meh I want something where I can shoot people |
| 08:57.43 | adaro | !find passwd |
| 08:57.44 | NicNac | (not real people |
| 08:57.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'passwd' (9 of 78): (/usr/bin/yppasswd) in net/nis ;; (/etc/oops/passwd) in web/oops ;; (/usr/bin/cpasswd) in utils/cfs ;; (/etc/uucp/passwd) in comm/uucp ;; (/usr/bin/mkpasswd) in net/whois ;; (/usr/bin/nwpasswd) in net/ncpfs ;; (/usr/bin/mkntpasswd) in web/gosa ;; (/usr/bin/userpasswd) in x11/usermode ;; (/usr/bin/kolabpasswd) in mail/kolabd. |
| 08:57.51 | aieldkjw | cube |
| 08:57.54 | aieldkjw | or cube2 |
| 08:57.58 | twb | "language for numerical computations" sounds like Fortran to me |
| 08:58.09 | twb | NicNac: tremulous |
| 08:58.15 | gimmal | NicNac: afaik, there's a doom clone, somewhere in the repo |
| 08:58.27 | NicNac | wahey! |
| 08:58.29 | twb | in bzflag you can shoot tanks |
| 08:58.35 | aieldkjw | CS clone is Cube |
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| 08:58.42 | NicNac | cube? |
| 08:58.45 | twb | Cube is hardly a CS clone |
| 08:58.48 | crm | streuner, ta =) |
| 08:58.58 | aieldkjw | it's a clone that was left in the tube for too long |
| 08:59.07 | aieldkjw | but if you want to shoot things, that's the one I'd recommend |
| 08:59.09 | twb | Unless you mean Adobe CS |
| 08:59.13 | streuner | crm: well, the development ended in 2001, there is a new project called "Euler" |
| 08:59.25 | crm | lol.. what? |
| 08:59.25 | aieldkjw | though, if I'm not mistaken, iD software comes with a linux install on the disc |
| 08:59.31 | crm | k.. let me find taht |
| 09:00.37 | twb | aieldkjw: yeah, like I'd trust game programmers to write binaries |
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| 09:00.53 | crm | streuner, aptitude reports i have both of them.. which one should i use? |
| 09:00.55 | aieldkjw | I don't know if it's a binary or source |
| 09:01.22 | crm | streuner, im looking to calibrate a webcam using:http://www.vision.caltech.edu/bouguetj/calib_doc/#system |
| 09:01.33 | twb | crm: whichever gives you the most joy |
| 09:02.18 | crm | twb, im trying to limit the possibility of no joy |
| 09:02.36 | twb | Har har. |
| 09:02.53 | streuner | hehe |
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| 09:04.18 | crm | k.. i'll try both =/ |
| 09:04.37 | Vitojejo | how can help me? |
| 09:05.00 | Vitojejo | who can help me? |
| 09:05.13 | Kjikaqawej | !tell Vitojejo -about ask |
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| 09:06.05 | Vitojejo | when i turn on my pc, all loading... finish but it stay in the console |
| 09:06.18 | Vitojejo | i want to go to gnome |
| 09:06.19 | Kjikaqawej | yes |
| 09:06.26 | Kjikaqawej | so install gnome and x |
| 09:06.38 | Vitojejo | it's install |
| 09:06.48 | xand | how do I set the default $EDITOR? |
| 09:06.52 | Kjikaqawej | aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment gdm xorg |
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| 09:07.05 | cahoot_ | xand: update-alternatives? |
| 09:07.08 | Kjikaqawej | oh, then you just 'need' gdm |
| 09:07.19 | xand | oh, it's one of them... thanks |
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| 09:07.26 | aieldkjw | when trying to 'make' something, if it tells me a certain lib is not in my $PATH |
| 09:07.27 | Kjikaqawej | yeh |
| 09:07.28 | aieldkjw | what does that mean? |
| 09:07.52 | Kjikaqawej | $PATH isn't relevant to libraries |
| 09:08.00 | ameyer | it probably means you need to install (insert name of lib here)-dev... |
| 09:08.07 | Vitojejo | installing gnome-desktop-environment gdm xorg |
| 09:08.47 | Vitojejo | but i'm did work with gnome and edit 3d and now i don't work with gnome |
| 09:08.48 | aieldkjw | is $PATH a file I can find/edit somewhere? |
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| 09:09.09 | aieldkjw | or does it refer to the directory I'm in atm? |
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| 09:09.29 | Kjikaqawej | aieldkjw: easiest way is taking the library name, sitcking that in after apt-cache search and adding dev after the name, e.g. apt-cache search gtk2 dev |
| 09:09.56 | aieldkjw | good to know, thank you |
| 09:10.26 | ameyer | aieldkjw: it probably means ./configure can't find the headers for that lib (the stuff in the -dev package) |
| 09:10.42 | ameyer | the solution is what Kjikaqawej said |
| 09:11.18 | Kjikaqawej | then you just install whatever relevant -dev package you find, like ameyer said |
| 09:11.35 | Vitojejo | how can i change to grub? |
| 09:11.39 | twb | xand: printf EDITOR=mg\\nexport\ EDITOR >>~/.profile |
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| 09:12.12 | xand | twb: thats not the proper way! |
| 09:12.22 | twb | xand: I disagree. |
| 09:13.02 | xand | well maybe i phrased my question incorrectly :) |
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| 09:13.43 | twb | It's rude to change the default editor system-wide. |
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| 09:14.14 | Kjikaqawej | it is if the system is multi-user... |
| 09:14.29 | twb | All Debian systems are multi-user. |
| 09:14.47 | Apachez | not if they are booted into singleuser mode :) |
| 09:14.59 | Kjikaqawej | normal user, not "a bunch of system users and one normal user" |
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| 09:15.19 | twb | I've never met a user yet who was normal |
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| 09:15.20 | Kjikaqawej | !pedanticsmite twb |
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| 09:15.58 | Kjikaqawej | !tell Naka- -about root |
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| 09:17.16 | Apachez | !tell Kjikaqawej -about rc.S |
| 09:17.35 | Kjikaqawej | what as the point of that? |
| 09:17.35 | aeshyamae | anyone using cmu sphinx here?i was training the tutorial model given in cmu site(an4)the wave to mfcc converting program wave2feat continues to run without any message.. |
| 09:17.51 | Kjikaqawej | aeshyamae: go to their channel |
| 09:17.51 | capiira | hmm hi anyone know if there is a way to let gnome screensaver use xscreensaver opengl screensavers? |
| 09:18.08 | twb | aeshyamae: is that a TTS engine or the converse? |
| 09:18.19 | aeshyamae | speech recognition |
| 09:18.35 | aeshyamae | #sphinx is always empty |
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| 09:18.47 | aeshyamae | or i could not find their proper channel? |
| 09:18.52 | twb | aeshyamae: surely there's at least one person there: you. |
| 09:19.03 | aeshyamae | :) |
| 09:19.20 | twb | capiira: it should be automagic |
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| 09:20.03 | NicNac | automagic I like that word |
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| 09:20.19 | capiira | i don't want to replace gnome screensaver, i just want to use the opengl ones with it |
| 09:20.34 | twb | I'd prefer "dysenterey" but it didn't fit the context. |
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| 09:20.45 | capiira | installed them and they don't appear in the menu |
| 09:20.59 | twb | capiira: my answer remains the same. |
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| 09:21.23 | twb | Did you install xscreensaver-gl? |
| 09:21.34 | capiira | yeah |
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| 09:21.43 | capiira | without xscreensaver |
| 09:22.32 | twb | capiira: seems you're right. |
| 09:22.44 | capiira | sure i am :D |
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| 09:23.28 | capiira | but there must be a way to do that |
| 09:23.32 | Vitojejo | how install grub? |
| 09:23.35 | capiira | just dont know what to search for |
| 09:24.32 | moshii | Is it possible to have multiple keyboard layouts under xorg? I have a laptop with a standard pc keyboard, and an apple japanese keyboard and would like them to both work correctly :/ |
| 09:24.46 | aieldkjw | does debian ship with gnome as it's GUI? |
| 09:24.52 | yigal | moshii: i know gnome and kde support this feature |
| 09:24.56 | capiira | http://philcrissman.com/2006/07/25/howto-add-your-xscreensavers-to-gnome-screensaver/ |
| 09:25.26 | capiira | check comment |
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| 09:25.46 | capiira | yeah debian comes with gnome |
| 09:25.58 | capiira | but you can install kde too |
| 09:26.08 | yigal | capiira: when you ask to install a standard desktop |
| 09:26.13 | moshii | yigal: im using kde. ill take a look |
| 09:26.18 | yigal | capiira: you get gnome |
| 09:26.26 | capiira | yeah there is an option you need to type |
| 09:26.29 | yigal | moshii: its there, im sure of it |
| 09:26.37 | aieldkjw | can you install kde when installing debian, or is that afterwards? |
| 09:26.46 | sysfault | hmm, there is absolutely no way my / partition which is 6gig is filled that quick, i had 2.6 gig available earlier, and i've made nothing but minimal installations... |
| 09:26.51 | yigal | aieldkjw: as far as i am aware its afterwords |
| 09:26.54 | capiira | type a command or download kde cd |
| 09:27.24 | twb | aieldkjw: Debian does not have a default desktop environment. |
| 09:27.35 | capiira | sure they have |
| 09:27.45 | yigal | twb: it does, its gnome for taskel |
| 09:27.51 | twb | The tasksel program, which need not be run, uses gnome for the "desktop" task. |
| 09:28.01 | yigal | twb: exactly |
| 09:28.15 | aieldkjw | I've heard it's possible to install from a jumpdrive, has anyone done this before? |
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| 09:28.25 | twb | aieldkjw: what is a jumpdrive? |
| 09:28.41 | yigal | aieldkjw: flash drive? |
| 09:28.42 | aieldkjw | usb drive |
| 09:28.43 | aieldkjw | yeah |
| 09:28.54 | sysfault | is it ok to clean /var/cache/apt/archives? Trying to free up some space on my / partition, it's full. |
| 09:28.57 | yigal | aieldkjw: i haven't but it should be pretty easy |
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| 09:29.11 | yigal | sysfault: try aptitude clean |
| 09:29.16 | twb | sysfault: do aptitude autoclean first, it'll delete the useless parts |
| 09:29.23 | yigal | sysfault: apt-get clean |
| 09:29.44 | pocukrani | what i there wrong ?? http://pastebin.com/m1c567097 |
| 09:29.47 | sysfault | freeing up 1.8 gigs. |
| 09:29.49 | sysfault | nice |
| 09:29.54 | twb | sysfault: make sure you don't delete the subdir "pending/" or whatever, although you can delete the stuff in it |
| 09:30.07 | yigal | sysfault: geese you must have installed quite a lot of software |
| 09:30.17 | twb | I put /var/cache on a separate LV which is striped instead of raided |
| 09:30.25 | sysfault | i only have 6 gigs on the / partition. |
| 09:30.26 | moshii | yigal: Some of the keys are wrong.. but it's mostly working :) cheers |
| 09:30.35 | sysfault | but, yea i did. |
| 09:30.41 | yigal | moshii: awesome |
| 09:31.00 | DustyBin | if you look at this snapshot of my desktop you will see top what is running on my VPS webserver, do those memory levels look really low to you? |
| 09:31.07 | moshii | Now I just have to get scim to accept the special Japanese keys |
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| 09:31.12 | DustyBin | http://empire.ispeeds.net/~subx/2007-08-18-103058_1280x1024_scrot.png |
| 09:31.17 | twb | yigal: /dev/mapper/ares-cache 20G 8.4G 11G 45% /var/cache |
| 09:31.29 | yigal | moshii: it should . |
| 09:31.36 | yigal | moshii: like kanji? |
| 09:31.46 | twb | yigal: of that 4.4G is apt-cacher |
| 09:31.56 | yigal | twb: nice :) |
| 09:32.00 | twb | Which, BTW, sucks big rocks through small straws |
| 09:32.03 | moshii | yigal: nah, I mean the kana switching key etc |
| 09:32.18 | yigal | moshii: ah |
| 09:32.42 | yigal | good night morning everyone, its time for me electric sheep |
| 09:33.02 | capiira | aieldkjw, use that install tasks="standard, kde-desktop" |
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| 09:33.20 | twb | I just use Emacs for script IMs. "Emacs カワイイ デス?" |
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| 09:33.49 | moshii | twb: kawaiku nai |
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| 09:34.06 | capiira | or ( installgui tasks="standard, kde-desktop" ) if you want a graphical installer |
| 09:34.30 | twb | My Japanese is even better than my Spanish, if by "better" you mean "more amusing" |
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| 09:34.45 | aieldkjw | why do cats like to eat wires? |
| 09:34.52 | capiira | nerds |
| 09:35.13 | moshii | twb: I live in spain, my Spanish is limited to "hola, lata de coka cola por favor" |
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| 09:35.29 | twb | lata? |
| 09:35.32 | moshii | can |
| 09:35.46 | twb | fsbot says lata = broad |
| 09:35.58 | moshii | it might have two t's |
| 09:36.49 | moshii | nope, it's lata |
| 09:36.58 | aieldkjw | if I download an iso for the wrong architecture, will that stop an installation cd from booting? |
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| 09:37.06 | twb | aieldkjw: yes. |
| 09:37.07 | aieldkjw | (say, ia64 instead of amd64) |
| 09:37.11 | aieldkjw | good to know |
| 09:37.19 | twb | That might work by accident |
| 09:37.19 | moshii | aieldkjw: it won't even run |
| 09:37.38 | aieldkjw | that could explain some of the problems I've been having |
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| 09:37.43 | twb | But say, trying to run the amiga arch install cd on a powerpc won't work |
| 09:37.51 | moshii | twb: ia64 won't run on an AMD64.. totally different things |
| 09:38.33 | NicNac | how can I find out what the fastest chip I can put in my computer? |
| 09:38.40 | moshii | NicNac: google |
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| 09:39.05 | moshii | NicNac: or the manual |
| 09:39.16 | NicNac | well I googled my mobo (a nforce3) and it hasnt come up with much |
| 09:39.37 | moshii | NicNac: the manual from the manf. will tell you what it can support |
| 09:39.44 | twb | NicNac: you need to know the socket type. |
| 09:39.50 | NicNac | its a 939 |
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| 09:40.07 | NicNac | moshii the manual will be out of date |
| 09:40.30 | moshii | NicNac: that's why you go to the manf. website and check |
| 09:40.33 | twb | Generally you can just look at a retailer listing to see what CPUs they stock for that socket. |
| 09:41.02 | xingu | you might want to care about tdp in some situations too. |
| 09:41.02 | moshii | twb: But a lot of the time a board won't accept all the cpu's available for that socket type |
| 09:41.12 | twb | moshii: oh, I didn't know that. |
| 09:41.48 | twb | Hardware is something I try not to get involved in. It involves unpleasant real-world imperfections, like non-instantaneous logic propagation |
| 09:42.28 | moshii | twb: pc hardware is just shit |
| 09:42.43 | NicNac | ? |
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| 09:42.56 | twb | Well, it's developed from decades of lowest-bidder design |
| 09:43.09 | twb | Not really suprising that it's shit |
| 09:43.20 | moshii | NicNac: I remember a time when harddrives lasted longer than 6 months |
| 09:43.22 | NicNac | you could say that about anything |
| 09:43.36 | twb | NicNac: but it wouldn't be true |
| 09:43.47 | NicNac | moshii I've had my current hdd's 4 years |
| 09:43.59 | NicNac | twb you can say it about car's |
| 09:44.08 | aieldkjw | I've had my main drive for 6 |
| 09:44.10 | twb | For example, MIT only just started using Python in its undergrad classes |
| 09:44.15 | aieldkjw | and my slave for about 3 |
| 09:44.16 | moshii | NicNac: get prepared for the signs of death in dmesg then +P |
| 09:44.18 | xingu | I remember when you could cook an egg on most hdd's. |
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| 09:44.37 | xingu | I think I've still got a full height esdi wren lying around somewhere |
| 09:44.37 | NicNac | I'll wait 'til these melt then replace them |
| 09:44.45 | NicNac | I dont expect drives to last forever |
| 09:45.16 | moshii | The drive in one of my suns is like 10 years old :) |
| 09:45.38 | twb | I remember when it took an extra six months for the HD to arrive, and by that time you'd already ported the base OS to the new machine |
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| 09:45.59 | moshii | but this laptop has had 5 new tft panels, 3 harddrives, 2 processors, 1 complete motherboard change |
| 09:46.12 | NicNac | lol |
| 09:46.13 | twb | FIVE?! |
| 09:46.23 | xingu | twb: back when an os still came with sourcecode in the appendicies? |
| 09:46.23 | NicNac | crt for the win :P |
| 09:46.26 | twb | That's nuts. |
| 09:46.44 | twb | tft beats passive refresh |
| 09:46.52 | NicNac | I had a dell tft given to me and it's already dead |
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| 09:47.16 | NicNac | the crt is twice it's age and still going strong |
| 09:47.17 | aieldkjw | tft? |
| 09:47.39 | twb | NicNac: because you're buying cheap crap LCDs? |
| 09:47.47 | NicNac | I was given it |
| 09:48.30 | xingu | dual link lvds kicks the crap out of most of the alternatives |
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| 09:48.55 | twb | "dual link" sounds like something from nintendo |
| 09:48.55 | logd | hi, what if 3ddeskd says glXIsDirect failed, no Direct Rendering possible! ? |
| 09:49.01 | xingu | heh |
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| 09:49.07 | xingu | dual link, with rumble pack! |
| 09:49.18 | twb | logd: I'm guessing it means DRI isn't enabled |
| 09:49.43 | aieldkjw | debian disks are set to boot from start up right? (I ask because both me and my friend have had problems getting the cds to boot) |
| 09:49.51 | larsl | How do I find out if a particular font ("Captain Podd") is packaged for Debian? I've searched packages.debian.org but didn't find anything. |
| 09:49.53 | logd | i hadn't such an error using "radeon" module but now im with fglrx |
| 09:50.26 | moshii | aieldkjw: you mean the discs are bootable? yes, but you have to tell the bios on your machine to boot them |
| 09:50.58 | aieldkjw | through the boot sequence, correct? |
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| 09:51.06 | moshii | aieldkjw: yes |
| 09:51.22 | aieldkjw | hmm...no idea why this isn't working then |
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| 09:52.15 | twb | logd: tainted binary drivers are crap, I suggest you don't use them |
| 09:52.26 | moshii | aieldkjw: old machine? |
| 09:52.39 | aieldkjw | no, actually, brand new |
| 09:52.48 | logd | <twb>but they re the only who enable tvout on my ati 9250 |
| 09:52.51 | aieldkjw | sata HDDs, but with etch that shouldn't be a problem |
| 09:52.53 | moshii | aieldkjw: does it even try to access the disc? |
| 09:53.05 | aieldkjw | yes, i think it does |
| 09:53.14 | aieldkjw | it seems to make progress reading the disc |
| 09:53.20 | aieldkjw | but then boots into windows |
| 09:53.22 | twb | logd: who cares? |
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| 09:53.33 | moshii | aieldkjw: when you boot a debian disc it should bring up a debian splash screen |
| 09:53.36 | aieldkjw | like it couldn't find what it was looking for |
| 09:53.50 | twb | moshii: not necessarily, some hardware doesn't support the splash bit |
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| 09:54.02 | aieldkjw | I'm gonna do a businesscard iso for the amd64 arch |
| 09:54.04 | moshii | twb: true |
| 09:54.07 | aieldkjw | see if that works |
| 09:54.07 | twb | moshii: but you should always get the boot: prompt |
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| 09:54.33 | moshii | twb: unless you boot it on some dell poweredges and you'll see nothing :/ |
| 09:54.59 | aieldkjw | does anyone know if you have do to anything special to a flash drive to boot an iso from it? |
| 09:55.01 | logd | twb> i care ;) |
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| 09:55.35 | moshii | aieldkjw: depends on your bios. there a usb drive images on the d-i page iirc |
| 09:55.36 | twb | logd: then you must be a communist |
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| 10:10.26 | faked | I have some questions regarding cvsd: I just installed cvsd on my server, no I want to add a repository to it, but where do I have to import it with "cvs -d" to? to /var/lib/cvs or /var/lib/cvsd ? |
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| 10:12.00 | cast | can help with svn, but stopped using cvs long ago |
| 10:13.12 | faked | cast, at the moment I want to get it work with cvsd |
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| 10:15.04 | cast | curiously quiet. |
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| 10:15.19 | nuxis | dpkg-reconfigure ... for configuring x ? |
| 10:15.43 | faked | numist, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:16.01 | nuxis | tnx |
| 10:18.18 | nuxis | wth, lspci command not found |
| 10:19.02 | faked | nuxis, try as root |
| 10:19.14 | nuxis | faked: I am root |
| 10:19.17 | liable | install pci-utils |
| 10:19.22 | liable | pciutils |
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| 10:20.22 | nuxis | maybe apt is configured wrong O_o |
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| 10:20.31 | nuxis | couldn't find pci-utils |
| 10:20.35 | liable | uh, no |
| 10:20.40 | liable | pciutils |
| 10:20.51 | nuxis | ok |
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| 10:22.00 | eth01 | how do i make the command line colored? |
| 10:22.05 | eth01 | at the moment, it's just black... |
| 10:22.16 | eth01 | well black 'n' white.. |
| 10:22.35 | liable | edit your bashrc |
| 10:22.42 | liable | its in there but commented |
| 10:22.47 | liable | for some stuff |
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| 10:23.57 | eth01 | set a fancy prompt ?? |
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| 10:29.59 | aieldkjw | well, finally got the debian loader to load right |
| 10:30.04 | aieldkjw | but now my keyboard won't work |
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| 10:33.29 | logd | hi sh ./ati-driver-installer-8.28.8.run --buildpkg Debian/etch |
| 10:33.29 | logd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:34.23 | eth01 | how can i make the bash line coloured? |
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| 10:36.46 | nuxis | now I can't run iwconfig (ifconfig is ok) |
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| 10:36.51 | xlotlu | what's a nice and simple gui audio editor? |
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| 10:37.22 | liable | install wireless-tools |
| 10:37.32 | cahoot_ | xlotlu: audacity is one option |
| 10:37.39 | cast | xlotlu: audacity gets my vote for cutting |
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| 10:37.56 | eth01 | how can i make the bash line coloured? |
| 10:38.23 | liable | !tell eth01 about repeat |
| 10:38.28 | xlotlu | cast: i'm playing with it now, it's quite nice but i was hoping for nicer.. |
| 10:38.30 | crm | heh |
| 10:38.31 | cahoot_ | eth01: you might google for and read the bash prompt howto |
| 10:38.41 | cast | i have users with differing timezones, is it possible for each of them to have the correct time for their region? |
| 10:38.52 | cast | [on the one computer] |
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| 10:40.56 | DustyBin | what is the best way to run and compile very latest svns in a debian environment? |
| 10:41.06 | cast | make a .deb |
| 10:41.26 | DustyBin | how do you make deb out of source code? |
| 10:41.54 | liable | !nmg |
| 10:41.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 10:42.16 | cast | ^read that. theres probably a shorter guide, its only 2 cmds, dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:42.33 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 10:42.47 | liable | depends on what you are playing with as to whether you need to make a deb. kernel modules are one of the things i wouldnt bother for |
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| 10:43.32 | DustyBin | say for instance i downloaded the very latest source code for a tool found on blabla.net website |
| 10:43.39 | DustyBin | and it downloaded as a .gz |
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| 10:44.06 | DustyBin | usually i would uncompress, ./configure make make install |
| 10:44.24 | DustyBin | but on debian its not a good idea to do that as you dont want it to scatter files over your whole system |
| 10:44.38 | avtobiff | DustyBin, you could use the package checkinstall |
| 10:44.40 | cast | well, since i like ./configure make make install i use stow which solves that issue |
| 10:44.50 | avtobiff | stow? |
| 10:44.50 | cast | isn't checkinstall scary :\ |
| 10:44.55 | cast | !stow |
| 10:44.55 | dpkg | hmm... stow is Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
| 10:45.00 | avtobiff | no i have used it. |
| 10:45.05 | cast | !checkinstall |
| 10:45.06 | dpkg | checkinstall is, like, a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=58875&sid=80f33f6e8e3089dbd87513e9ca941775 |
| 10:45.20 | avtobiff | yeah that's it :-/ |
| 10:45.28 | avtobiff | upstream is broke i think. |
| 10:45.59 | avtobiff | k. |
| 10:46.04 | avtobiff | dont use checkinstall then :-) |
| 10:46.17 | cast | that stow factoid i think should be ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version --exec-prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version && make && make install |
| 10:46.32 | cast | i have had issues with using make install prefix= |
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| 10:47.18 | cast | how does one find out the creator of a factoid? |
| 10:47.45 | wifinoob | Please enclue me on getting wifi ad-hoc going between my desktop (pci wifi, ath0) and laptop (pcmcia wifi, wlan0). iwconfig shows both are up, linkquality 87/100 or thereabouts. How to I set routing up so I can ping from laptop to pc? Laptop: 192.168.0.4, desktop ath0 192.168.0.4, desktop eth1 192.168.0.2. |
| 10:48.46 | eth01 | any1 use - fancybash |
| 10:48.53 | xlotlu | cast: export TZ=.... |
| 10:49.48 | cast | thanks xlotlu :) |
| 10:50.00 | cast | eth01: perhaps #bash is a more suitable place to ask |
| 10:50.21 | wifinoob | I assumed ad-hoc would just be like plugging in an ethernet card, and so I could just test by pinging after setting the ips. This doesn't seem to be the case, so I reckon I need to read up somewhere. Any tips? |
| 10:50.25 | xlotlu | i think i'll try goldwave in wine |
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| 10:53.44 | aieldkjw | what is the benefit of setting up a partition using encypted LVM? |
| 10:54.07 | aieldkjw | just make it harder/impossible for someone without a password to access the HD? |
| 10:54.23 | aieldkjw | HDD* (also, does it make it impossible to use a rescue-cd on it?) |
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| 10:57.11 | cast | aieldkjw: bingo. |
| 10:57.24 | cast | aieldkjw: you can still use a rescue cd, if you know the passwd |
| 10:57.30 | aieldkjw | ah |
| 10:57.32 | aieldkjw | interesting |
| 10:57.50 | aieldkjw | does it make it impossible to access the harddrive without the password? |
| 10:57.56 | aieldkjw | say |
| 10:57.58 | cast | not at all |
| 10:58.13 | aieldkjw | not even govn't programs? |
| 10:58.15 | cast | you can access the hd, you just get a psuedorandom stream of bits to stare at :) |
| 10:58.23 | aieldkjw | hmm... |
| 10:58.25 | aieldkjw | tempting |
| 10:58.27 | cast | depends on the government |
| 10:58.45 | cast | AES-256 is authorized for SECRET and TOP SECRET within the US as i understand it |
| 10:59.00 | yangx | I have replaced the CPU with core 2 duo, now I am getting errors after kernel boot -> ide ass-miko 33mhz system bus speed ; scsi subsystem initialized (I have IDE drive not scsi...) ; uniform multi-platform /bin/cat /sys/block/hda1/dev no such file or directory |
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| 11:00.22 | eth01 | how can i mask my connection shown in 'w' ... ? |
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| 11:00.57 | cast | rm -i /usr/bin/w? |
| 11:01.15 | cast | you could patch w, but thats not going to help when they just run netstat...etc....i think you'd have to patch the kernel |
| 11:01.20 | aieldkjw | is file sharing over a network still possible with an encrypted HDD? |
| 11:01.27 | cast | in sort - its too much work, if such a set of patches exists |
| 11:01.30 | wifinoob | aieldkjw, yes |
| 11:01.34 | cast | aieldkjw: yes, it is, with the network block driver |
| 11:02.14 | cast | aieldkjw: alternatively you can just use NFS, NBD has the advantage that the host the HD is in can't read the HD's contents |
| 11:02.27 | eth01 | ah okay.. |
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| 11:02.38 | wifinoob | eth01: redir? use a proxy? do your naughty stuff under screen? |
| 11:02.57 | xored | how to set the point to log to under openLDAP ? |
| 11:03.00 | eth01 | it's for security reasons... |
| 11:03.08 | eth01 | proxy is one. |
| 11:03.20 | cast | eth01: explain how it gives security |
| 11:04.15 | Apachez | are there any good reasons for why I should use the apache2 in debian etch compared to compile it on my own ? |
| 11:04.28 | eth01 | cast: self explanatory... |
| 11:04.42 | cast | eth01: no..its not. |
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| 11:05.27 | eth01 | another question, why do i have 6 processes of getty running? |
| 11:05.27 | cast | Apachez: debian security team handles updates. its easier than making your own debs. |
| 11:05.44 | larsl | Is there a list of the packages (or some kind of overview) on the 4 DVD installation disks for AMD64 Testing? |
| 11:06.07 | Eulex | eth01, one per console |
| 11:06.09 | cast | larsl: might the 4dvds contain every package for that arch? |
| 11:06.18 | eth01 | can i stop that? |
| 11:06.35 | Apachez | cast: same with mysql ? |
| 11:06.45 | Apachez | I assume that the stuff in etch is also tested with each other ? |
| 11:07.09 | Apachez | like installing mysql + apache + modperl2 through apt-get vs installing it by compiling on your own |
| 11:07.11 | cast | Apachez: yes, stuff in etch is tested with other stuff in etch. really, unless you have reason to do otherwise - just use whats in etch |
| 11:07.16 | Eulex | eth01, sure, but be sure you know what you're doing before attempting it. the configuration can be found in /etc/inittab. |
| 11:07.19 | wifinoob | eth01: you can reduce. |
| 11:07.24 | larsl | cast: I don't know, but I'd like to know which DVDs contain which packages. |
| 11:07.29 | eth01 | yes, reduce is more appropriate. |
| 11:07.46 | Apachez | cast: are there some way to see which compilestring has been used during compile of say mysql in etch ? |
| 11:07.50 | wifinoob | eth01, takes up a bit less ram if that is tight. |
| 11:08.02 | Apachez | I mean like -O3, felide-instructors etc, those kind of stuff ? |
| 11:08.18 | cast | Apachez: not sure, someone else will know. the source pkg may tell. are you a gentoo user? |
| 11:08.43 | Eulex | wifinoob, barely |
| 11:08.59 | Eulex | Apachez, take a look at the script used to build the package. |
| 11:09.33 | Eulex | Apachez, it's usually in the debian patch applied to the source, so you don't need to download the full debian package. |
| 11:09.41 | Eulex | eh, full debian source package |
| 11:10.08 | Apachez | cast: no im a debian user who previously been compiling my own mysql + apache + modperl... but it has its downsides by compiling on your own (like when libs changes in debian etc and a recompile is needed before the binary will work again and stuff like that) |
| 11:10.22 | eth01 | can you restart inittab ?? |
| 11:10.26 | cast | larsl: can't help ya there. as i understand it the first dvd will have the most commonly used things, last dvd least commonly used |
| 11:10.27 | eth01 | or reload * |
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| 11:10.35 | Apachez | Eulex: any url I can read more of this ? |
| 11:10.47 | spheard | does anyone know how to use mysqlhotcopy to backup multiple databases? |
| 11:10.49 | Eulex | Apachez, packages.debian.org/pkgname |
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| 11:10.53 | Apachez | liek what to type to get the script |
| 11:10.59 | Apachez | k thnx |
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| 11:12.47 | eth01 | how do you enter alt ctl del? |
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| 11:12.55 | cast | Apachez: do you have any particular motivation for compiling your own? |
| 11:12.58 | twb | infrequently. |
| 11:13.11 | Apachez | cast: depends on how the stuff in etch is compiled |
| 11:13.15 | eth01 | over a putty session -.- |
| 11:13.21 | cast | ahh. |
| 11:13.23 | twb | eth01: shutdown -r now |
| 11:13.26 | Apachez | but when I was using i386 debian the reason was to compile for the cpu I had in the box |
| 11:13.27 | Eulex | eth01, reboot needed. |
| 11:13.52 | eth01 | no because i changed it |
| 11:13.55 | eth01 | from the reboot command |
| 11:13.55 | Apachez | Eulex: http://packages.debian.org/stable/misc/mysql-server-5.0 now what ? :P |
| 11:14.00 | twb | Apachez: there is an i686 linux-image and libc, now. |
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| 11:14.20 | Eulex | Apachez, download the .diff.gz, examine it.' |
| 11:14.25 | Apachez | twb: I have now the amd64 debian |
| 11:14.28 | eth01 | well.. i stoped ctl alt del from rebooting the system using inittab... |
| 11:14.29 | twb | Ya. |
| 11:14.31 | Apachez | Eulex: ok :) |
| 11:14.51 | wifinoob | eulex, ps aux | grep tty suggests 1.5MB. If I am reading that right. |
| 11:15.14 | Apachez | cast: a test I did (sure not scientific bút still) on mysql 4.1.18 comparing debian package (i386) with my own compile |
| 11:15.15 | Apachez | SELECT BENCHMARK(1000000,ENCODE("hello","goodbye")); |
| 11:15.23 | Apachez | 5100 ms 2x p2 266 debian |
| 11:15.29 | Apachez | 4300 ms after using optimized compile 2x p2 266 |
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| 11:16.34 | wingot | Hey |
| 11:16.51 | wingot | Anybody know what package I need for communicating with my Windows Mobile PDA? |
| 11:16.56 | Eulex | wifinoob, $ pmap -d `pidof getty` => writeable/private: 272K |
| 11:17.01 | cast | Apachez: and on amd64? :) |
| 11:17.06 | wingot | I have gnome-pilot, but not the one for the device itself :) |
| 11:17.08 | Eulex | wifinoob, RES is not accurate |
| 11:17.33 | wingot | It's pilot-link for Palm's, but need to know the one for Windows Mobile (can't find it with google :(.) |
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| 11:17.59 | wifinoob | eulex: I don't understand what rss and vsz mean actually. |
| 11:18.00 | wAndyw78 | is Windows Mobile = Win CE ? |
| 11:18.48 | wAndyw78 | if so, apt-cache search wince -> librra0-tools - Library to deal with synchronisation with WinCE devices (tools) |
| 11:18.50 | Eulex | wifinoob, and what you were looking at was VIRT, which is just the amount of mapped memory and has nothing to do with how much memory is _unique_ to that application. |
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| 11:19.02 | wifinoob | Eulex, thank for the tip on pmap. Lovely tool. |
| 11:19.34 | Eulex | wifinoob, RES shows 'real' memory the app can access. SHR is the amount of RES that is shared with other processes. |
| 11:19.36 | Apachez | cast: no idea :P |
| 11:19.50 | Apachez | here is my compile for p2: |
| 11:19.51 | Apachez | CFLAGS="-O3 -march=pentium2 -pipe" CXX=gcc CXXFLAGS="-O3 -march=pentium2 -felide-constructors -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -pipe" ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mysql --without-debug --without-archive-storage-engine --without-geometry --without-berkeley-db --without-csv-storage-engine --without-innodb --without-isam --without-ndbcluster --without-raid --enable-thread-safe-client --enable-local-infile --enable-assembler --with-client-ldflags=- |
| 11:19.57 | Apachez | along with: strip mysqld |
| 11:20.13 | liable | did i walk into #gentoo? |
| 11:20.26 | abrotman | liable: #wankers ? |
| 11:20.34 | xand | hahahaha |
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| 11:20.56 | wingot | Ahh, synce |
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| 11:21.08 | liable | abrotman: the CXXFLAGS is a good one though |
| 11:21.46 | abrotman | Apachez: what are you compiling ? |
| 11:22.01 | et | mysql, as it seems. |
| 11:22.21 | wifinoob | eulex: ok. thanks for clarifying. |
| 11:22.32 | wAndyw78 | wingot: I can't figure out what you are using, Win CE, Pocket PC oder something... |
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| 11:23.16 | Eulex | wifinoob, only problem with pmap is that "writeable/private" might include som shared memory. a better approximation is RES - VIRT. giving 72k for a getty process here. |
| 11:24.20 | wAndyw78 | wingot: SynCE provides UNIX users with a framework to synchronize their computers with Windows Mobile and Windows CE based devices. |
| 11:24.33 | wifinoob | eulex: hmm. 72k is only going to be a significant resource hog on embedded devices. |
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| 11:25.03 | robboplus | is it possible to lookup host name only and not arpa? |
| 11:25.12 | robboplus | with host command that is |
| 11:25.14 | wAndyw78 | wingot: "Thanks" would be nice... |
| 11:25.42 | Apachez | CXXFLAGS=$${MYSQL_BUILD_CXXFLAGS:-"-DBIG_JOINS=1 -felide-constructors -fno-rtti -O2"} |
| 11:25.48 | Eulex | wifinoob, indeed |
| 11:25.55 | Apachez | seems to be reasonable settings in the debian compile of mysql |
| 11:26.05 | Apachez | even thou I prefer O3 over O2 :P |
| 11:26.54 | abrotman | didn't they already prove o3 to be slower ? |
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| 11:27.07 | Eulex | Apachez, note that the debian changelog says "Temporarily build only with -O2 to circumvent gcc internal errors". also, it is not sure that -O3 will be faster than -O2. |
| 11:27.38 | Eulex | it massively increases the code size, maybe leading to faster code but also leading to more cache hits. |
| 11:27.48 | Eulex | emh, misses |
| 11:28.31 | Apachez | +# This causes seg11 crashes if LDAP is used for groups in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 11:28.31 | Apachez | +# so it is disabled by default although, according to MySQL, it brings >10% |
| 11:28.31 | Apachez | +# performance gain if enabled. See #299382. |
| 11:28.31 | Apachez | +ifeq ($(STATIC_MYSQLD), 1) |
| 11:28.31 | Apachez | + USE_STATIC_MYSQLD=--with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-static |
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| 11:28.40 | abrotman | that'll teach you! |
| 11:28.46 | Apachez | how will I know if the debian package is built using static or not ? |
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| 11:29.15 | Apachez | searching for STATIC_MYSQLD in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/mysql-dfsg-5.0_5.0.32-7etch1.diff.gz only gives the above pasted rows |
| 11:29.36 | abrotman | i don't think we got htem all |
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| 11:30.50 | wingot | error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 11:30.59 | wingot | ? Is that a debian security thing, or a bug? |
| 11:31.06 | wingot | That's the response from any ./configure I do |
| 11:31.15 | Eulex | !b-e wingot |
| 11:31.15 | dpkg | wingot: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 11:31.32 | Eulex | if that doesn't solve it, take a look in the config.log. |
| 11:31.32 | wifinoob | i've got two machines on wifi ad-hoc mode. iwconfig shows them up, but I can't ping from one to the other, thought they're on the same (192.168.0.x) subnet, and physically about 1m from each other Clues on what to check? |
| 11:31.36 | wingot | Eulex: Thanks |
| 11:31.37 | robboplus | how do i lookup hostname by ip? but i need ONLY hostname and no other data |
| 11:31.49 | wingot | Will try |
| 11:31.56 | Apachez | host 1.2.3.4 |
| 11:31.57 | Apachez | or |
| 11:32.00 | Apachez | nslookup 1.2.3.4 |
| 11:32.01 | Apachez | or |
| 11:32.08 | Apachez | dig 4.3.2.1.in-arpa.net |
| 11:32.11 | wingot | host 1.2.3.4 |sed ;) |
| 11:32.11 | robboplus | Apachez did you read my question carefully? :) |
| 11:32.13 | darsie | hi! In privoxy, where do I set user settings? The config files are owned by root. I am root, but ain't there a place for normel user configuration? |
| 11:32.22 | wingot | robboplus: What I just said :) |
| 11:32.25 | robboplus | wingot so no way to do that without sed? |
| 11:32.27 | wingot | Pipe the output to sed |
| 11:32.40 | robboplus | and then what? :) i don't know sed |
| 11:32.41 | wingot | None that I am aware of. If the man pages don't mention it, then unlikely :) |
| 11:33.02 | abrotman | grep and awk |
| 11:33.14 | robboplus | abrotman so no command on shell will do this for me? |
| 11:33.20 | robboplus | i never understood why is that |
| 11:33.23 | abrotman | they just told you how |
| 11:33.35 | aieldkjw | well, I gotta sleep |
| 11:33.36 | robboplus | yesyes |
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| 11:33.39 | wifinoob | host 1.2.3.4 | cut -f5 -d" " |
| 11:33.40 | aieldkjw | I'll catch all you fine people later |
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| 11:33.56 | robboplus | wifinoob oh wow i do appreciate this! thank you |
| 11:34.34 | wifinoob | yes, I know. No one else here knows *anything* ;-) |
| 11:34.40 | robboplus | lol |
| 11:34.59 | patrakov | strange thing happened: apparently, there were two files named "file_4.17-5etch2_i386.deb" - noticed because of the disk cache in apache2. How could this happen? |
| 11:35.07 | robboplus | it works really well... just the dot at the very end of line makes it look ugly ;) |
| 11:35.22 | patrakov | length is different, a wrong file is longer |
| 11:35.25 | robboplus | but i will live with it.. thank you again wifinoob |
| 11:35.45 | Eulex | robboplus, sed out the ending .? |
| 11:36.02 | robboplus | Eulex right, i just need to learn sed first :) |
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| 11:36.33 | Eulex | sed "s/\.$//" |
| 11:36.45 | Eulex | replace . + end-of-lind with nothing. |
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| 11:36.51 | Eulex | *line |
| 11:37.03 | abrotman | robboplus: you do a lot of whining :) |
| 11:37.09 | wifinoob | robboplus, add | sed -e "s/.$//" to the end of the command line I gave you and you have no "." to worry about. That sort of stuff is probably all the sed you'll ever need. |
| 11:37.18 | wAndyw78 | hm, does -march=athlon-xp implies -m3dnow ? |
| 11:37.44 | Eulex | wifinoob, carefully, gotta escape that . :) |
| 11:37.44 | wifinoob | eulex: your wiser regex is noted ;-) |
| 11:38.06 | Eulex | wifinoob, . itself matches any one character. |
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| 11:38.52 | Eulex | but well, wouldn't make any difference in this case. |
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| 11:40.47 | cast | slight issue here with my time: `date` -> 'Sat Aug 18 11:39:42 UTC 2007' which is correct. but then if i do this: `export TZ=CST; date` -> 'Sat Aug 18 11:40:14 CST 2007' which is obviously the wrong time for CST, its still printing UTC time. there something i missed? |
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| 11:42.05 | Eulex | when you installed debian, did you choose that your hardware clock was supposed to be set to your timezone-time and not utc? |
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| 11:42.33 | Eulex | hmm. |
| 11:42.42 | azeem | I don't think you get prompted for that these days |
| 11:42.44 | cast | i do not know. this is a UML instance |
| 11:42.57 | Eulex | but I get the same time when I attempt to run the above? |
| 11:43.58 | Eulex | and yes, it's wrong. |
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| 11:50.21 | develix | hello where can i get mirrors for my lenny sources.list please and how do i add it ? |
| 11:51.25 | wingot | pyrexc |
| 11:51.31 | wingot | Anyone know where I would find it? |
| 11:51.52 | wifinoob | argh. wifi is so intangible - no wires to thwack. |
| 11:51.52 | wifinoob | wow. I did the next best thing, and flushed the route cache, and suddenly I can ping it. |
| 11:52.14 | abrotman | !tell develix about mirrors |
| 11:52.19 | abrotman | !tell develix about sources.list |
| 11:52.46 | develix | thank u abrotman |
| 11:53.02 | wifinoob | heh, things went haywire ;-). Then read man route and figured out my routing was screwy. All is well and as it should be with my wifi connection. Hooray! |
| 11:53.18 | joyr | !tell joyr about sources.list |
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| 12:01.33 | xand | hm |
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| 12:03.05 | zoidy | I changed the timezone on my debian box and it's off by 5 hours, should I manually fix it or what? |
| 12:03.23 | zoidy | and is this normal? |
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| 12:05.20 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 12:05.21 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 12:05.41 | zoidy | thanks, setting up ntp right now |
| 12:06.09 | abrotman | the UTC bit is important |
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| 12:07.28 | zoidy | I have UTC=yes on it, anything else? |
| 12:07.38 | zoidy | and I did run tzconfig to change the timezone |
| 12:08.14 | zoidy | oh look at that ntp just fixed the whole thing without me doing anything |
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| 12:09.33 | zms | can grub boot off /boot on LVM on RAID? |
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| 12:10.35 | Apachez | no idea |
| 12:10.37 | Apachez | I hope so |
| 12:10.45 | Apachez | since debian install will let you play with lvm and stuff |
| 12:11.33 | zms | Apachez: I also thought so but testing d-i only gives option to install LILO when I tryinig to install a system on LVM on RAID. |
| 12:14.21 | Apachez | so whats wrong with lilo ? :P |
| 12:14.32 | Apachez | by the way I have runned into a cosmetic problem with grub |
| 12:14.44 | Apachez | I use raid1 so I want boot options for both hd0,1 and hd1,1 |
| 12:14.57 | abrotman | ask #grub |
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| 12:15.09 | Apachez | but when I run "update-grub" the stuff in the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst will be overwritten with just options for hd0 |
| 12:15.30 | abrotman | there is a place at the end of the file to put your own stuff |
| 12:15.35 | Apachez | what do I need to do so there will be two entries generated, one for hd0 and one for hd1? |
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| 12:17.03 | yigal | exit |
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| 12:19.09 | abrotman | !tell fqh about root |
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| 12:20.06 | Apachez | !couldsomeonetellme how to fix that cosmetic grub problem? :P |
| 12:21.09 | abrotman | did you look at the end of the grub conf file ? |
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| 12:31.35 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:31.35 | dpkg | somebody said qotd158 was <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
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| 12:36.26 | Ronin | yawn, hate coming in at 5am |
| 12:37.23 | abrotman | coming in where? |
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| 12:39.03 | abrotman | you stud |
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| 12:39.16 | cast | what about a 6" pole? |
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| 12:44.43 | Ronin | abrotman: chasing the hottie next door |
| 12:45.08 | abrotman | pics! |
| 12:45.22 | abrotman | wait .. that's inappropriate |
| 12:45.41 | Ronin | no pics yet |
| 12:45.52 | edistar | hello! I have just installed amarok and I am a little puzzled by one thing: I tried to let it recognize my ipod automatically but then it can't find it. rhythmbox can find it though... It tells me to "dcop kded mediamanager fullList" in the konsole and I get a 'call failed' when I do that. Can anyone help? |
| 12:46.03 | flami | bull[beep] were in the internet nothing is inappropriate :P PICS! |
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| 12:49.00 | liable | snakes 11! |
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| 12:49.01 | flami | edistar, if you dont see the devices something is wrong with the KDE device manager |
| 12:49.56 | edistar | flami: I have xfce anyway.. what do I need to install? |
| 12:50.12 | flami | Oh |
| 12:50.18 | flami | this is a KDE call |
| 12:50.28 | flami | dont know how to get amarok on xfce |
| 12:50.32 | flami | maybe google |
| 12:50.51 | psyche_ | can someone paste sources.list for me? |
| 12:51.15 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 12:51.15 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 12:51.20 | Ronin | damn it, beat me to ti |
| 12:51.22 | Ronin | it |
| 12:51.41 | abrotman | keep it clean! |
| 12:52.03 | cast | i could if i hadn't lost my rafb script that read from stdin :( |
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| 12:53.53 | edistar | flami: it used to work in gnome |
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| 12:54.34 | flami | sorry i dont know how to run amarok with xfce :/ this dcpop kde seens like a KDE only call |
| 12:54.41 | flami | edistar, --^ |
| 12:54.45 | edistar | flami: thx |
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| 13:02.26 | stoned | good morning |
| 13:02.35 | edistar | morning |
| 13:03.22 | Spyro_boy | gm |
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| 13:06.36 | MrBunny | anyone know how to fix the error "can't access tty; job control turned off" when installing? |
| 13:07.15 | Noborusan | i want to upgrade kernel but it says The following packages have been kept back:linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:08.37 | h3sp4wn | Noborusan: You need to use dist-upgrade |
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| 13:09.07 | Noborusan | h3sp4wn, how come ? |
| 13:09.20 | h3sp4wn | Noborusan: change from 2.6.18-4 to 2.6.18-5 |
| 13:09.22 | Noborusan | h3sp4wn, im using the same release that is etch though |
| 13:09.54 | itchi | I gona spam the open market with my Debian t-shirt right now :-p |
| 13:10.18 | liable | itchi: pictures |
| 13:10.19 | h3sp4wn | Noborusan: seems the right thing to do (so you can perform the update when its suitable) |
| 13:10.24 | itchi | liable: Nah, :-p |
| 13:10.26 | itchi | liable: Wait |
| 13:10.38 | abrotman | Noborusan: it's an ABI change |
| 13:10.40 | Noborusan | h3sp4wn, we always need to do dist-upgrade when want to upgrade kernel in debian? |
| 13:10.47 | abrotman | Noborusan: no |
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| 13:11.16 | h3sp4wn | Noborusan: only when it switches in the above way |
| 13:11.18 | liable | it shouldnt need a dist-upgrade for that kernel if he has -2.6 installed |
| 13:11.19 | Noborusan | hmm i mean i would use the debian-way to upgrade kernel |
| 13:11.37 | Noborusan | mine is 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 13:11.59 | h3sp4wn | Its not something that happens very often at all anyway |
| 13:12.03 | itchi | liable: Picture is made, i transfer it on my comp, hold on :-p |
| 13:12.14 | liable | ok |
| 13:12.45 | Noborusan | i dont know why it says kernel is kept back,along with it, proftpd |
| 13:12.55 | Noborusan | i think maybe its the webhosting panel issue |
| 13:13.07 | h3sp4wn | !held back |
| 13:13.07 | dpkg | somebody said kept back was when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
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| 13:14.46 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 13:14.49 | sdive | hi, when I try to copy files to my debian server from from win xp through winscp, it fails. it says that I have to check that scp is installed on the server (which it is btw). it all started happening when I upgraded to etch from sarge. any thoughts? yes, I have the right permissions |
| 13:14.54 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 13:15.23 | liable | sdive: is sshd running? |
| 13:15.44 | liable | can you connect to it locally? |
| 13:15.45 | Apachez | that #grub channel is very quiet :/ |
| 13:15.47 | sdive | liable: yes, I can ssh to my server perfectly fine |
| 13:15.54 | petemc | sdive: anything in the logs on the server? |
| 13:16.07 | yangx | I have replaced the CPU with core 2 duo, now I am getting errors after kernel boot -> ide ass-miko 33mhz system bus speed ; scsi subsystem initialized (I have IDE drive not scsi...) ; uniform multi-platform /bin/cat /sys/block/hda1/dev no such file or directory |
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| 13:16.26 | Noborusan | so can anyone just tell me,what do i do to upgrade kernel from 2.6.18-4-686 to 2.6.18-5-686? |
| 13:16.31 | abrotman | they already did |
| 13:16.45 | Noborusan | hi abrotman ,in this case i should do a dist-upgrade ? |
| 13:16.52 | itchi | liable: http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/imgs/screenshots/dscn1732.jpg :-) |
| 13:16.52 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:17.15 | sdive | petemc: not as far as I can see. maybe you can tell me what I am looking for? |
| 13:17.28 | Noborusan | abrotman, hmm ,in the meantime, proftpd is kept back too and i just checked, says if install it it will intall mysql5 maybe that is why its kept back |
| 13:17.36 | itchi | I go go go right now :-p Let do some nice spamming :-p |
| 13:17.39 | Noborusan | abrotman, cuz i dont have mysql5 but version 4 installed |
| 13:17.40 | abrotman | Noborusan: yes |
| 13:17.47 | abrotman | Noborusan: there's no mysql4 in etch |
| 13:17.48 | svalovic | hi, is there someone who knows how to use dfsbuild? |
| 13:18.11 | Noborusan | abrotman, so if i do dist-upgrade will it upgrade proftpd and this is i want to avoid it . |
| 13:18.18 | petemc | sdive: tail -f /var/log/auth.log , then try scp |
| 13:18.31 | Noborusan | abrotman, Im running mysql4 in etch. |
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| 13:18.35 | liable | itchi: whats it say at the top? |
| 13:18.48 | abrotman | Noborusan: there's no mysql4 in etch |
| 13:18.55 | Noborusan | abrotman, i mean,i use directadmin which a webhosting panel,i install mysql in this panel. |
| 13:19.00 | itchi | liable: "GNU/Etch A Release Linux" |
| 13:19.12 | abrotman | Noborusan: i have no idea what that is .. there's no mysql4 in etch :) |
| 13:19.12 | itchi | liable: Buyed on the Fosdem 2007 here in Belgium |
| 13:19.15 | sdive | petemc: it says subsystem request for sftp failed even though subsystem is uncommented |
| 13:19.39 | liable | itchi: oh, i thought you designed it and maybe got it printed :P |
| 13:19.48 | Noborusan | abrotman, I see, well, would you tell me what can i do to tell apt to hold profpd from upgrading whatever i perform a dist-upgrade ,possible ? |
| 13:19.59 | Noborusan | proftpd* |
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| 13:20.09 | abrotman | Noborusan: just install the kernel package above directly |
| 13:20.10 | petemc | sdive: try restarting sshd, i guess |
| 13:20.12 | yangx | Must be there anything else done, beside the kernel-image upgrade, when replacing proceesors from Sempron K7 to core2duo |
| 13:20.17 | sdive | petemc: and then maybe this one is related: error: open /dev/tty failed - could not set controlling tty: Permission denied |
| 13:20.28 | Noborusan | abrotman, i don't get it. |
| 13:20.33 | petemc | yangx: do you still have the install kernel as a boot option? |
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| 13:20.42 | yangx | petemc: yeah |
| 13:20.46 | itchi | liable: Oh, i have many plans of it "Get be free use free software". Many things like that. You know. I have already 4 T-shirts here right now. But these are buyed. I planned to let print some custom ones. But ... but... i not yet done it :-s |
| 13:20.53 | petemc | yangx: boot into that |
| 13:21.03 | yangx | petemc: i have kernl-image-2.6.21-686 and previous -k7 kernel |
| 13:21.10 | sdive | petemc: restarting it makes no changes |
| 13:21.14 | itchi | liable: Sorry, heh, but i need to go right now, my wife complain ;-) |
| 13:21.22 | liable | k |
| 13:21.29 | itchi | Get a nice day guys! ;-) |
| 13:21.47 | yangx | petemc: however with a lilo configuration |
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| 13:21.58 | petemc | sdive: try googling for that error |
| 13:21.59 | Noborusan | abrotman, :( |
| 13:22.15 | sdive | petemc: I am :) |
| 13:22.20 | petemc | good man :) |
| 13:22.22 | abrotman | Noborusan: install the kernel that is held back .. and fix your mysql |
| 13:22.41 | petemc | yangx: im not following you, can you boot into a non k7 kernel? |
| 13:22.50 | Noborusan | abrotman, but kernel is kept back |
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| 13:23.31 | Noborusan | abrotman, can i manully apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686-bigmem ? |
| 13:23.49 | abrotman | how much RAM do you have ? |
| 13:24.06 | Noborusan | 2GB by far, probably will upgrade to 4GB later on |
| 13:24.41 | abrotman | you don't need bigmem |
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| 13:25.06 | Noborusan | I see, so i just do apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 and it will replace my current one ? |
| 13:25.23 | abrotman | it should |
| 13:25.33 | biz | is there a way to completely disable '00:09.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)', not just by blacklisting the prism modules? |
| 13:25.43 | Noborusan | abrotman, let me try,thanks. |
| 13:25.44 | xand | biz: BIOS |
| 13:26.02 | xand | or unplug it |
| 13:26.06 | sdive | petemc: someone suggests: chmod a+rw /dev/tty /dev/ptmx - anything to add? |
| 13:26.40 | Noborusan | abrotman, downloading, so i will need a reboot after its done ? |
| 13:26.47 | abrotman | ah . yeah |
| 13:27.14 | yangx | petemc: the new -686 kernel ends with an error: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist;switching root;yaird/run_init current diretory on the same filesysem as the root:Success;kernel panic not syncing - attempted to kill init |
| 13:27.32 | biz | xand: i've searched for the device in the bios, but there is no option for it. i don't know if it helps to disable an irq or sth. - its integrated in a laptop and i'm using another pcmcia wifi card. this integratedone sucks |
| 13:28.56 | xand | biz: it might be a mini PCI card that you can remove |
| 13:29.16 | yangx | petemc: and previous erors like waiting 16 secionds for /sys/block/hda/hda1/dev to show up;/bin/cat /sys/block/hda/hda1/dev seems to be down |
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| 13:30.26 | Noborusan | abrotman, installed it, now i check menu.lst, some stuff i previously added are gone |
| 13:32.03 | abrotman | that's vague |
| 13:32.11 | yangx | petemc: assumig 33mhz system bus speed for PIO modes ; overide with idebux=xx |
| 13:32.21 | Apachez | idebux ? |
| 13:32.32 | Apachez | "this is a robbery, gimme all your bux" |
| 13:32.33 | Holborn | :) |
| 13:32.38 | sdive | petemc: can't find anything. adding my user to the tty doesn't help either |
| 13:32.41 | yangx | typo |
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| 13:33.03 | sdive | tty group* |
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| 13:35.43 | Noborusan | abrotman, its strange, in menu.lst, it says kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 13:35.52 | Noborusan | but in /, i dont have this file |
| 13:36.04 | yangx | Noborusan: its in /boot |
| 13:36.07 | Noborusan | this file is in /boot |
| 13:36.09 | abrotman | is /boot/ on a sepearate partition ? |
| 13:36.25 | Apachez | hmpf |
| 13:36.27 | Noborusan | abrotman, yes |
| 13:36.29 | Apachez | no help in #grub |
| 13:36.34 | abrotman | Noborusan: right |
| 13:36.37 | abrotman | Apachez: i told you how |
| 13:36.40 | Apachez | so any grub experts in here ? :P |
| 13:36.45 | Apachez | did you? |
| 13:36.50 | Apachez | +l |
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| 13:37.34 | Apachez | <abrotman> there is a place at the end of the file to put your own stuff |
| 13:37.49 | Apachez | yes but this stuff will be overwriten once you run "update-grub" |
| 13:37.53 | Noborusan | abrotman, the original menu.lst file has been replaced as menu.lst~ ,i checked, in the config it doesnt refer to /boot/vmlinux-version, but still just /vmlinux-version,and it was working fine ,hmmm |
| 13:37.59 | Apachez | based on the stuff which is in the top of the menu.lst |
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| 13:38.23 | abrotman | Apachez: if you put it after END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KENRELS LIST .. they stay |
| 13:38.56 | Noborusan | shall i change it to /boot/ ? |
| 13:39.06 | Apachez | abrotman: ohh... but hmpf.. |
| 13:39.08 | By_sihirbaz_ | salutation |
| 13:39.12 | Apachez | not exactly the solution |
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| 13:39.31 | Apachez | since then I will still have to copy the stuff again and change hd0 into hd1 etc when I install new kernel or similar |
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| 13:43.07 | SuporteTecnicoID | Bom dia.... |
| 13:43.19 | zamuro | !br |
| 13:43.20 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:44.03 | Noborusan | is it true that grub doesnt need to the actual path of your kernel image ? |
| 13:44.12 | Noborusan | doesn't need to know* |
| 13:44.15 | SuporteTecnicoID | ok! |
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| 13:46.33 | xored | is funambol in the package tree ? |
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| 13:47.07 | abrotman | xored: packages.debian.org |
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| 13:47.11 | abrotman | or apt-cache search |
| 13:47.48 | Al0 | How i can to decrypt my dvd disk which i recorded with k3b ? |
| 13:47.56 | Noborusan | abrotman, hi ,what did you mean by asking me if /boot is on a sepereted partition ? |
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| 13:48.11 | abrotman | what did you think i meant? |
| 13:48.21 | Noborusan | i was clueless |
| 13:50.17 | cast | abrotman: what makes you say its encrypted? |
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| 13:53.04 | cinex | any suggestions on a good console partitioning app ? |
| 13:53.14 | Apachez | cfdisk |
| 13:53.45 | uwe | hello, i know this is a stuped question , but well, anyway, the gateway im setting in /etc/network/interfaces is not working when i restart the netwok service or when i reboot ! i cant see why, any suggestions what the problem could be ? |
| 13:53.59 | cinex | thanks Apachez i will try it |
| 13:54.32 | uwe | oh ... now its working ... |
| 13:54.32 | chaoslynx | hi, after the last update my x server wouldnt start, i have a geforce 4200ti, the error messages says there is some kernel module missing, what shall i do? |
| 13:54.52 | uwe | but what did i change ... hmmm ... |
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| 13:54.52 | Apachez | chaoslynx: reinstall latest linux drivvers from nvidia |
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| 13:55.06 | cinex | Apachez: nice app |
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| 13:55.17 | chaoslynx | as far as i know the latest drivers dont support 4200ti |
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| 13:56.17 | low | hi |
| 13:56.36 | Dewi | !why isn't apache2-mpm-itk in stable? |
| 13:56.38 | chaoslynx | Apachez: like apt-get install nvidia-glx? |
| 13:57.10 | Apachez | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html |
| 13:57.19 | Apachez | I would prefer the property drivers |
| 13:57.23 | Apachez | instead of the opensourced |
| 13:57.31 | chaoslynx | k... |
| 13:57.34 | Apachez | but it depends on your needs |
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| 13:57.46 | Apachez | the opensourced are automatically updated through apt-get upgrade and such |
| 13:58.00 | Apachez | on the other hand.. the close sourced from nvidia is claimed to be faster |
| 13:58.07 | low | anyone can help ntfs-3g |
| 13:58.32 | chaoslynx | Apachez: Right but they tend to screw up after an update =) |
| 13:58.34 | Noborusan | hi Apachez ? |
| 13:59.03 | Noborusan | Apachez, would you check the line in your menu.lst that says the path to your kernel image ? |
| 13:59.15 | Apachez | sure |
| 13:59.16 | Noborusan | Apachez, then tell me do you have it in the hdd actually ? |
| 13:59.20 | Apachez | hi between :) |
| 13:59.31 | Noborusan | mine is strange,in menu.1st it says kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 root=/dev/sda3 |
| 13:59.32 | uwe | hmmm, now i lose the routes on /etc/init.d/networking restart :S |
| 13:59.41 | Apachez | brb in 30 min |
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| 14:00.02 | Noborusan | Apachez, ? |
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| 14:00.17 | chaoslynx | Can anyone tell me how to install the open source nvidia drivers instead of the restricted ones? |
| 14:00.40 | chaoslynx | I dont need 3d acceleration so i guess those are just fine |
| 14:00.45 | krazykit | they're already installed |
| 14:00.48 | krazykit | you just use nv |
| 14:00.52 | chaoslynx | k |
| 14:01.01 | chaoslynx | well i didnt know the package name |
| 14:01.19 | krazykit | it's something like xorg-video-nv or something to that effect |
| 14:01.32 | muep | nv is used as default with nvidia cards |
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| 14:01.48 | chaoslynx | and they are not installed since i used the restricted one so far but it broke after the update and now i am fed up =) |
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| 14:06.27 | anirban | Hi I am haing problem to aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6.21-2-amd64 |
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| 14:06.51 | anirban | it says that No Candidate version found for it |
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| 14:07.27 | anirban | I added deb http://us.debain.or/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 14:07.43 | stoned | boratman |
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| 14:08.35 | liable | debain.or ? |
| 14:08.59 | abrotman | cast: ? |
| 14:09.11 | cast | hello |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | you asked |
| 14:09.55 | cast | this is a good point. |
| 14:10.06 | cast | s/abortman/A10 |
| 14:10.31 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:11.19 | uwe | um, is there a good reason why i lose the default route when i restart my network service ? |
| 14:11.36 | abrotman | it's not in your interfaces file |
| 14:11.37 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:11.46 | uwe | abrotman, well, it is |
| 14:12.05 | abrotman | is it static? dhcp? do you have more than one? |
| 14:12.16 | uwe | i actually lose all routes, not only the default one, i.e. the table is empty |
| 14:12.19 | uwe | static |
| 14:12.56 | liable | show us the file |
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| 14:13.15 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:13.15 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:13.16 | uwe | !pastebin |
| 14:13.16 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 14:13.26 | uwe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.35 | uwe | 1 min |
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| 14:14.18 | Orionisti | Well hello again... |
| 14:14.58 | Orionisti | I'm home for the weekend and I wanted to get my GPRS connection working on Debian... |
| 14:15.34 | liable | what card is it? |
| 14:15.50 | Orionisti | Actually I'm using a Nokia 6230 with DKU-2 USB cable |
| 14:16.25 | liable | does dmesg say anything interesting when its inserted? |
| 14:16.40 | uwe | abrotman, liable , http://rafb.net/p/DwJR6P20.html |
| 14:17.09 | Orionisti | The really frustrating part is that I /know/ Knoppix has this really nice program that just connects and stuff works but I have Debian installed and I have no idea how to obtain that program for this installation |
| 14:17.21 | uwe | the sequence was diffrent, i changed it while trying things out |
| 14:17.32 | abrotman | uwe: that's the IP you have cuurently ? |
| 14:17.36 | liable | uwe: why obscure private ip addresses? |
| 14:17.38 | uwe | the gateway was at the end |
| 14:18.28 | uwe | the abc.def.ghi is replacement for what i have, and no i didnt do it manually, so i know it should be common among them |
| 14:19.01 | uwe | its not private :) |
| 14:19.26 | Orionisti | yes, ttyACM0: USB ACM device |
| 14:19.27 | abrotman | uwe: there's no chance it's running dhcp at all ? |
| 14:19.51 | liable | Orionisti: fire up wvdiaconf or pppconfig and see if it detects it |
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| 14:20.01 | liable | looks like it should |
| 14:20.04 | uwe | not that i know ! |
| 14:20.08 | Orionisti | KMobileTools recognizes the phone and I can use some functions like dial numbers with the program |
| 14:20.23 | uwe | it takes the static ip, but deletes the routes |
| 14:20.35 | onats | hi, i'm using a logitech cordless click plus mouse, and after a few minutes of use, it just dies... does anyone have any idea how to resolve it? |
| 14:21.18 | abrotman | uwe: so route -n .. shows no UG line ? |
| 14:21.20 | Orionisti | wvdialconf identified it correctly as Nokia |
| 14:21.52 | uwe | abrotman, shows no route lines at all |
| 14:21.53 | liable | Orionisti: so find out what atd string and whathaveyou, that you need to use, and play |
| 14:22.15 | Orionisti | ahem, sorry, I'm a noob with these, you would need to be a bit more specific =) |
| 14:22.18 | abrotman | uwe: and as soon as you route add default gw <ip> .. it's all normal ? |
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| 14:22.20 | uwe | it works on boot time though |
| 14:22.25 | uwe | yes |
| 14:22.41 | Apachez | im back |
| 14:22.45 | abrotman | oh .. it does work .. and then go away ? |
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| 14:23.25 | uwe | abrotman, it doesnt work on /etc/init.d/networking restart !! |
| 14:23.30 | Orionisti | also, I cannot open KPPP for some reason |
| 14:23.33 | ixion_uk | if I want to mount a windows share to its readable by www-data is it the UID value that I need to set ? |
| 14:23.36 | abrotman | uwe: but it works on boot ? |
| 14:23.44 | uwe | i have to reboot the machine to get it take the new configs :S |
| 14:24.09 | uwe | yes |
| 14:24.15 | liable | Orionisti: in dialout group? |
| 14:24.21 | Orionisti | sorry? |
| 14:24.40 | uwe | i would love to know what can possibly cause such a behaviour !! |
| 14:24.54 | Noborusan | okay,my server won't boot after i edited menu.lst :( |
| 14:25.18 | uwe | Noborusan, what did you change ? |
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| 14:25.29 | abrotman | Noborusan: did you change it from what it had ? |
| 14:25.40 | snowbird | any one seen rocko mono? |
| 14:25.47 | Noborusan | I added /boot for kernel path |
| 14:25.51 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:25.57 | Noborusan | and for initrd path |
| 14:26.09 | Noborusan | why ? cuz you implaying me to do so |
| 14:26.10 | Orionisti | liable, sorry, what does dialout mean? |
| 14:26.40 | abrotman | no i did no such thing |
| 14:26.43 | uwe | Noborusan, you can set all the options again through grub cli |
| 14:26.51 | abrotman | i asked you a question ... you didn't answer it |
| 14:27.26 | liable | Orionisti: its a group |
| 14:27.27 | Noborusan | uwe, i am not sure if after a kernel upgrade, the original menu.lst will be replaced as menu.lst~ with full original stuff |
| 14:27.31 | liable | for using modems |
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| 14:27.55 | Delicates | anyone can recommend a program for creating network diagrams? |
| 14:27.57 | Noborusan | uwe, so in the original menu.1st,it has a line kernel /vmlinuz_2.6.18-5 .... |
| 14:28.05 | Noborusan | uwe, but i dont have that file / |
| 14:28.37 | Noborusan | uwe, but it was working fine,this is very strange, or that file menu.lst has been changed before it went to a backup file menu.lst~ |
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| 14:29.05 | Orionisti | I'm lost here |
| 14:29.06 | snowbird | liable i get in/out udp error on start up |
| 14:29.06 | cast | Delicates: ...it'll come to me. |
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| 14:29.13 | Noborusan | uwe, so the vmlinux file are located in /boot so i added /boot in menu.lst and from then on my server won't boot ;( |
| 14:29.30 | liable | snowbird: paste the error somewhere |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | Noborusan: i asked you if /boot/ was a separate partition |
| 14:29.50 | Noborusan | yes boot is a separate partition |
| 14:30.10 | snowbird | liable were would i find it to paste it it happens on boot up |
| 14:30.19 | cast | Delicates: graphiz will draw diagrams of networks, [networks in the general meaning of the word, not specialized to computer networks] |
| 14:30.27 | abrotman | Noborusan: then adding /boot/ in your grub config was a very very bad thing to do |
| 14:30.27 | liable | snowbird: does your net still work? |
| 14:30.31 | uwe | Noborusan, if im not laying wrong, having /boot/ or simply / depends on what you define as root in the menu.lst |
| 14:30.44 | Apachez | Noborusan: which variable do you want me to look for ? |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | Noborusan: i asked because it matters .. it was correct the way it was .. you screwed it up |
| 14:30.46 | snowbird | yeah |
| 14:30.54 | Orionisti | right, so I found the @dialout group in loginmanager, now what? |
| 14:30.56 | liable | snowbird: then dont worry |
| 14:31.00 | Delicates | cast: hrmmm ok |
| 14:31.09 | Noborusan | abrotman, i was waiting for your this answer ....to bad,too late for me :( i have to call the ISP again to send my machine back,this is twice. |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | Noborusan: you didn't asnwer me |
| 14:31.24 | snowbird | could be someting useing port that shouldn't |
| 14:31.32 | Noborusan | abrotman, i DID |
| 14:31.34 | liable | snowbird: but check dmesg and see if you can see it |
| 14:31.36 | abrotman | no .. you didn't |
| 14:31.50 | snowbird | ttpe that in shell? |
| 14:31.54 | uwe | Noborusan, find an example menu.lst file on the net, and write the options you have in it in the grub cli, use tab completion to set everything back and then do boot |
| 14:32.00 | uwe | on the cli |
| 14:32.19 | Noborusan | Apachez, also i asked you to show me your file you didnt reply me and pls do not try to help me when im already finished. Thank you ! |
| 14:32.25 | snowbird | i got it liable il paste it |
| 14:32.38 | ixion_uk | Whats wrong with this syntax; www-data cannot read from the mount point: //10.0.0.11/Music /mnt/music smbfs username=Guest,password=*****,uid=www-data,rw 0 0 |
| 14:32.45 | Apachez | Noborusan: fyi I had to perform an emergency coredump in the toilet... |
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| 14:32.56 | abrotman | Noborusan: the ISP can get your machine booting if they edit the conf at the grub menu and remove the /boot bit |
| 14:33.00 | Apachez | there was no time to login to the box and bring you thay menu.ls :P |
| 14:33.21 | uwe | abrotman, i got it fixed ... i replaced allow-hotplug eth0 with auto eth0 |
| 14:33.25 | uwe | and it works fine now |
| 14:33.32 | abrotman | uwe: it's a laptop ? |
| 14:33.41 | uwe | no |
| 14:33.48 | Noborusan | uwe, just one thing,if after a kernel upgrade, the original menu.lst will be backup without being changed anything, means i SHOULD NOT have added /boot to the file for the kernel path,cuz in the original config they are not specified. |
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| 14:34.57 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:35.41 | snowbird | starts line 248 |
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| 14:36.04 | liable | snowbird: thats your firewall blocking something. |
| 14:36.09 | uwe | Noborusan, im not sure i understand what you are talking about |
| 14:36.27 | abrotman | uwe: he changed his menu.lst and messed up grub |
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| 14:37.37 | snowbird | ok il leve it |
| 14:37.48 | snowbird | good then |
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| 14:39.07 | Guinea_pig | hello |
| 14:39.35 | liable | snowbird: not really, what is it? |
| 14:39.43 | snowbird | i dont know |
| 14:39.43 | abchirk | hi Guerin |
| 14:39.46 | abchirk | ehm Guinea_pig |
| 14:39.55 | stoned | hi abchirk |
| 14:39.58 | stoned | :) |
| 14:40.00 | snowbird | i guess i need to find my fire wall logs |
| 14:40.02 | abchirk | ;) |
| 14:40.03 | stoned | snowbird: hi |
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| 14:40.07 | Noborusan | uwe, im contacing them |
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| 14:40.24 | kanzure | Does each file keep track of what files link to it? |
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| 14:40.39 | abchirk | so.... /me said his words in #debian now its enough for one week... :P |
| 14:40.40 | Noborusan | uwe, well,not expecting though,last time i had to ship it back to fix it and it took only 2 min,problem is they do not know linux at all :( |
| 14:40.52 | stoned | abchirk: haha |
| 14:41.23 | snowbird | liable how do i seach for firewall logs? |
| 14:41.35 | liable | snowbird: dont worry about it. |
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| 14:41.43 | snowbird | kk |
| 14:42.00 | snowbird | maybe it wil go away in time |
| 14:42.01 | liable | snowbird: do a 'netstat -plunt' and you'll prolly see avahi on port 5353 |
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| 14:42.46 | liable | snowbird: or some other horrible mdns thing |
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| 14:43.00 | Noborusan | uwe, hmm |
| 14:43.01 | ribasushi | hi |
| 14:43.02 | liable | snowbird: in other words, you can ignore it |
| 14:43.07 | Noborusan | uwe, i find a real problem now |
| 14:43.20 | Noborusan | uwe, i dont think i can fix it even i have it shipped back |
| 14:43.22 | ribasushi | where can I read how to create a virtual package - something that will simply depend on a whole bunch of stuff that I need |
| 14:43.32 | Noborusan | uwe, cuz i added /boot in the single mode line as well |
| 14:43.38 | Braindead | ribasushi: aptitude show equivs |
| 14:43.40 | Noborusan | any idea ? |
| 14:43.44 | snowbird | ok |
| 14:43.45 | uwe | Noborusan, as i said earlier |
| 14:43.51 | uwe | on the grub cli |
| 14:43.58 | abrotman | Noborusan: you can edit the grub menu when it starts .. it has a CLI interface |
| 14:44.01 | philll | rofl |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | Noborusan: the ISP guys could probably get it booting |
| 14:44.09 | uwe | pass the correct options and it will boot if it used to boot before |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | Noborusan: or ask them for a console interface |
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| 14:44.25 | Noborusan | uwe, can you tell me in single detailed ? |
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| 14:44.42 | Noborusan | i mean how to bring up the boot menu ? |
| 14:44.46 | uwe | i dont know them by heart, so i google for a grub.lst example |
| 14:44.50 | abrotman | it's there when the system starts |
| 14:44.50 | snowbird | liable next is to get netmeeting acsess to net. havent ahd time to open ports in router |
| 14:44.53 | solar_ant | debian runs much slowe in my machine when installed on a sata drive rather than a ata drive |
| 14:44.54 | abrotman | you just hit 'e' and edit it |
| 14:44.56 | solar_ant | using lenny |
| 14:45.00 | solar_ant | isit a known issue |
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| 14:45.03 | ribasushi | Braindead: excellent |
| 14:45.18 | uwe | ok, one minute Noborusan |
| 14:45.23 | Noborusan | abrotman, you mean hold E key when it boots ? |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | 'e' |
| 14:45.33 | abrotman | dunno if 'E" works |
| 14:45.51 | Noborusan | so hold 'e' key when boots till the menu comes out ? |
| 14:45.54 | abrotman | and you don't hold it in .. when the system starts .. it'll show the blue grub screen .. and you can hit 'e' to edit the menu |
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| 14:46.31 | abrotman | Noborusan: it'd really be easier if the ISP people could give you a console |
| 14:46.31 | Noborusan | abrotman, i see,you mean when the blue menu appears,hit the 'e' key ? |
| 14:46.32 | uwe | oh ... you still get options in the boot menu Noborusan ? |
| 14:46.36 | abrotman | Noborusan: yes |
| 14:47.02 | Noborusan | uwe, i dont know,my server is far away |
| 14:47.13 | uwe | oh |
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| 14:47.52 | abrotman | Noborusan: can the ISP give you a console or not ? |
| 14:48.04 | snowbird | thanks liable |
| 14:48.05 | Noborusan | abrotman, so after i hit e key, it will allow me to select stuff in menu.lst ? |
| 14:48.21 | blinx | how can I overwrite only the free space on my hdd? |
| 14:48.29 | abrotman | Noborusan: it gives you the option to edit the boot lines ... (you'll need to change them for real when the system is booted) |
| 14:48.30 | blinx | like /dev/random or /dev/null ? |
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| 14:49.52 | Noborusan | abrotman, i can add and remove stuff in that mode ? |
| 14:50.01 | abrotman | no |
| 14:50.09 | liable | you can temorarily edit |
| 14:50.13 | abrotman | you can edit the command you're going to use to boot the system |
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| 14:50.33 | Noborusan | abrotman, and those lines come from the menu.lst ? |
| 14:50.34 | verboz | hi |
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| 14:50.45 | abrotman | Noborusan: yes .. |
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| 14:50.46 | verboz | need some help to change root password |
| 14:51.00 | abrotman | Noborusan: but after you get it booted .. you'll have to change that file for real |
| 14:51.02 | liable | verboz: you forgot it? |
| 14:51.06 | Noborusan | abrotman, i see,so i need to remove /boot to / |
| 14:51.06 | verboz | yes |
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| 14:51.15 | abrotman | !tell verboz about ifrp |
| 14:51.16 | liable | verboz: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 14:51.27 | Noborusan | abrotman, Okay,let me call them.brb |
| 14:51.29 | liable | or that.. |
| 14:51.38 | Noborusan | thanks.and im really sad /upset now :( |
| 14:51.58 | abrotman | Noborusan: at least you didn't lose all your data! |
| 14:52.11 | abrotman | always look on the bright side of life |
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| 14:52.50 | S4nD3r | I really would like to use my DVD recorder |
| 14:52.57 | S4nD3r | But, its impossible |
| 14:53.05 | S4nD3r | Id like to get some help about it |
| 14:53.32 | liable | growisofs ftw |
| 14:54.57 | stoned | Enzyte? |
| 14:55.03 | stoned | for iso :) |
| 14:55.31 | Braindead | S4nD3r: too much information. could you be more vague and generic? |
| 14:56.38 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.26 | S4nD3r | Its in my fstab /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 14:57.37 | jetscreamer | apt-get install k3b |
| 14:57.45 | S4nD3r | I have k3b installed |
| 14:57.50 | jetscreamer | you want to burn, or just mount one |
| 14:58.00 | S4nD3r | both |
| 14:58.07 | jetscreamer | what doesn't work |
| 14:58.08 | S4nD3r | first lets try to burn |
| 14:58.15 | jetscreamer | k3b-setup |
| 14:58.16 | abrotman | liable already answered him |
| 14:58.20 | jetscreamer | o |
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| 15:00.07 | S4nD3r | When I click to burn, I have answer that thereis no found media |
| 15:00.30 | S4nD3r | ask to insert in empty or appendable double layer DVD +/- medium into drive |
| 15:00.53 | jetscreamer | S4nD3r: you are trying to burn something that is bigger than a standard dvd |
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| 15:01.01 | S4nD3r | Its HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H20N |
| 15:01.05 | jetscreamer | is it a dual or double layer dvd burner? |
| 15:01.36 | jetscreamer | if so, put a dual or double layer blank dvd in |
| 15:01.47 | jetscreamer | if not, burn something smaller |
| 15:01.47 | S4nD3r | DL |
| 15:02.15 | S4nD3r | I tried 110MB, |
| 15:02.58 | jetscreamer | do single layers work, or cd's? |
| 15:03.02 | stoned | jetscreamer: ! my main man dude homie bro |
| 15:03.04 | stoned | whats up man |
| 15:03.11 | jetscreamer | with the right size stuff i mean |
| 15:03.16 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 15:03.20 | S4nD3r | CDs works good |
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| 15:03.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: no I was not late yesterday |
| 15:03.31 | S4nD3r | I will try now to burn a CD |
| 15:03.35 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 15:03.37 | stoned | jetscreamer: i saw that btw :) |
| 15:03.56 | jetscreamer | S4nD3r: probably soemthing like that but i'm guessing |
| 15:04.05 | stoned | whacky inflatable arm flailing tube man |
| 15:04.09 | stoned | lol |
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| 15:05.12 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 15:05.37 | ribasushi | what happened to the package mysql-admin in sid/i386? It does not seem to be available anymore, and I can't find anything about removal on the web |
| 15:05.42 | ribasushi | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mysql-admin&searchon=names&version=all&release=all |
| 15:05.50 | ribnitz | Is there a way to install at least one font (in X11) for every locale? |
| 15:06.05 | S4nD3r | CDRW it working good ! |
| 15:06.09 | ribasushi | where should I look for the reason why it's gone? |
| 15:06.18 | S4nD3r | the problem is only with DVDs |
| 15:06.21 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mysql|grep admin or apt-file |
| 15:06.29 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: what problem? |
| 15:06.44 | S4nD3r | do not burns DVDs |
| 15:06.44 | peterS | ribnitz: the usual way is to install xfonts-base-transcoded, but that package may have disappeared at some point |
| 15:06.58 | jetscreamer | ok so is it just the dual layer dvd's? and are you sure you have a dual layer dvd and medium, or double layer, and not mix/matched? |
| 15:07.40 | jetscreamer | afaik, dual layer != double layer |
| 15:07.45 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 15:07.52 | peterS | ribnitz: alternatively, ttf-sil-gentium or ttf-sil-charis |
| 15:07.52 | ribasushi | jetscreamer: and this should tell me what...? |
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| 15:08.09 | jetscreamer | i had a problem with the gentium once |
| 15:08.11 | ribnitz | peterS: no xfonts-base-transcoded, at least not in sid |
| 15:08.12 | peterS | those are supposed to cover all latin- and cyrillic-based languages |
| 15:08.18 | S4nD3r | Itd DL recorder |
| 15:08.22 | jetscreamer | installing or uninstalling or upgrade i forget |
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| 15:09.01 | peterS | of course, a single font that provides hebrew, chinese or devanagari characters doesn't make too much conceptual sense, so ttf-sil-* don't do that |
| 15:09.08 | ribnitz | peterS: I am looking ofr things like burmese.. |
| 15:09.22 | jetscreamer | it would probably tell you phpmyadmin but no idea |
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| 15:09.25 | peterS | can you read burmese? |
| 15:09.35 | SoulChild | what is a good toll to resize many images at once ? |
| 15:09.44 | abrotman | imagemagick |
| 15:09.49 | peterS | SoulChild: imagemagick is scriptable, so that's the usual solution |
| 15:09.50 | ribnitz | peterS: no. but it would still be nice to see the characters as they look.. |
| 15:10.02 | jetscreamer | there is such a program lately introduced , i forget the name |
| 15:10.07 | peterS | ribnitz: yeah but if you can't read it anyway, it doesn't seem to be of much practical value |
| 15:10.10 | jetscreamer | but that's the exact description |
| 15:10.13 | cahoot_ | mogrify? |
| 15:10.22 | ribnitz | peterS: It looks nicer. |
| 15:10.24 | psyche_ | does iptables make log files somewhere? |
| 15:10.28 | SoulChild | peterS hmm is there something graphical like XnView or IrfanView ? |
| 15:10.34 | psyche_ | if someone tries to scan my network, where i can see that? |
| 15:10.36 | abrotman | imagemagick |
| 15:10.42 | ribnitz | peterS: not unless you tell it to. |
| 15:10.52 | peterS | SoulChild: dunno but why would you want a GUI tool if you want to do a batch operation? |
| 15:11.01 | ribnitz | psyche_: iptables does not log by default, no |
| 15:11.02 | abrotman | peterS: to click! |
| 15:11.14 | psyche_ | ribnitz how i can make it log? |
| 15:11.17 | peterS | the keyboard, it burnnssss |
| 15:11.25 | SoulChild | peterS: abrotman thank you, exactlly ;) |
| 15:11.41 | abrotman | SoulChild: use imagemagick .. |
| 15:11.51 | ribnitz | psyche_: dont use iptables; use something a little higher up, like shorewall. |
| 15:12.21 | liable | iptables does log dropped packets |
| 15:12.31 | SoulChild | peterS: abrotman: I installed nautilus-image-converter, it uses imagemagick ;) |
| 15:12.38 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:12.49 | abrotman | silly rabbit .. clicks are for kids |
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| 15:13.21 | frojnd | I am burning an DVDdata project with k3b and it writes successfully, but than it automatically start to write cd, and than it found error while reading some sector. What does this error exactly mean? that DVD is usless ?? |
| 15:13.31 | S4nD3r | please, I would love to use my DVD recorder |
| 15:13.45 | xand | S4nD3r: then do so |
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| 15:14.05 | liable | S4nD3r: have you tried using growisofs? |
| 15:14.11 | psyche_ | ribnitz how its better than iptables? |
| 15:14.14 | S4nD3r | ummm.... no |
| 15:14.43 | ribnitz | psyche_: it uses iptables; but has nice documentation. |
| 15:14.55 | S4nD3r | I just tried k3b |
| 15:15.02 | jetscreamer | S4nD3r: i'd make sure a regular dvd works now, if it was me |
| 15:15.08 | S4nD3r | and gnomebaker |
| 15:15.14 | liable | S4nD3r: read down to the tutorial http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
| 15:15.49 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: 1) CD-R(W) work? 2) DVD-R(W)-5 (4.7 GB) work? |
| 15:15.50 | jetscreamer | as opposed to a dual layer |
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| 15:15.57 | jetscreamer | cd did |
| 15:16.02 | jetscreamer | he said i think |
| 15:16.04 | R4M0N | hey everyone |
| 15:16.26 | psyche_ | ribnitz so that doesnt matter |
| 15:16.38 | psyche_ | i have configured iptables already |
| 15:16.47 | S4nD3r | CDs works |
| 15:17.14 | jetscreamer | ok time to waste a regular size dvd to test |
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| 15:17.22 | xand | my DVD burner only works with DVDs... CDs end up coasters |
| 15:18.00 | xand | might be the media though |
| 15:18.28 | grungehead | can anoyone tell me how i can get a screendump of a pts-console? i'm logged into pts/0 and want to get the current output of pts/1... |
| 15:18.30 | jetscreamer | i tried to see if maybe he was sticking a dual layer into a double layer writer but .... |
| 15:18.31 | ribnitz | xand: very often it is also speed related |
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| 15:18.53 | xand | ribnitz: could be |
| 15:18.59 | cinex | can anybody tell me what permissions /tmp should have (i've stuffed them) |
| 15:19.03 | xingu | grungehead: setterm -dump ? |
| 15:19.12 | xand | cinex: drwxrwxrwt |
| 15:19.20 | cinex | xand: how do you set the t? |
| 15:19.32 | jetscreamer | chmod +t ? |
| 15:19.39 | xand | o+t |
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| 15:19.42 | jetscreamer | o |
| 15:19.43 | cinex | thanks |
| 15:19.56 | jetscreamer | (that was punny... :o ) |
| 15:19.59 | ribnitz | xand: t is sticky bit? |
| 15:20.00 | xingu | grungehead: oh, pseudo tty; there's nothing to dump, a pty is not a screen buffer |
| 15:20.02 | S4nD3r | snif |
| 15:20.04 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 15:20.05 | xand | ha |
| 15:20.49 | jetscreamer | !info phpmyadmin |
| 15:21.00 | cinex | ;3~thanks xand & jetscreamer |
| 15:21.05 | grungehead | xingu, so it's completely impossible? |
| 15:21.07 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: Ok. you just have problem with dual-layer DVDs (DVD-9, 8.5 GB nominal capacity)? |
| 15:21.31 | jetscreamer | he didn't test the single layers yet i don't think |
| 15:21.37 | dpkg | phpmyadmin: (Administrate MySQL over the WWW), section web, is extra. Version: 4:2.10.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2711 kB, Installed size: 9744 kB |
| 15:21.52 | S4nD3r | I was trying to burn a single layer |
| 15:22.04 | S4nD3r | 4.7 |
| 15:22.09 | jetscreamer | you were trying to burn >4.7 |
| 15:22.19 | jetscreamer | it asked for a bigger size blank dvd |
| 15:22.27 | S4nD3r | no |
| 15:22.30 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: Yep, DVD-5. |
| 15:22.30 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:23.04 | xand | maybe! |
| 15:23.04 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: Note there is no overburning with DVDs |
| 15:23.20 | jetscreamer | [10.00.38] <S4nD3r> ask to insert in empty or appendable double layer DVD +/- medium into drive |
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| 15:23.57 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: Lets not get into the plusminus debate now... |
| 15:24.04 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 15:24.11 | xand | not sure he was |
| 15:24.25 | jetscreamer | i'm not i'm telling him what he says it siad.. DOUBLE LAYER |
| 15:24.42 | S4nD3r | The recorder is DL |
| 15:24.45 | jetscreamer | he's trying to burn stuff >4.7 |
| 15:24.54 | jetscreamer | put a d/l dvd in it then |
| 15:24.59 | jetscreamer | not a single layer |
| 15:24.59 | S4nD3r | I was trying to burn < 4.7 |
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| 15:25.06 | dvs | S4nD3r: so is the image you're trying to burn |
| 15:25.09 | xand | I thought single layer discs maxed out around 4.2GB |
| 15:25.10 | jetscreamer | not according to that error msg you pasted |
| 15:25.16 | xand | despite claiming to be 4.7GB :) |
| 15:25.21 | xand | S4nD3r: how big exactly? |
| 15:25.35 | troubled | lol, funny "escape" attempt http://nsharporg.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/esc.jpg |
| 15:25.43 | jetscreamer | s/pasted/paraphrased/ |
| 15:25.59 | S4nD3r | Im burning a CDRW now |
| 15:26.07 | S4nD3r | Its 94% |
| 15:26.25 | S4nD3r | When finish, I will try another kind of files to DVD-R |
| 15:26.31 | jetscreamer | S4nD3r: seriously, that error says what you want to burn doesn't fit on a single layer |
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| 15:26.52 | S4nD3r | but I tried to take just a file |
| 15:26.56 | S4nD3r | that has 115MB |
| 15:27.12 | xand | S4nD3r: how big is the file/data that gave the error? |
| 15:27.12 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: to burn more than 4.7GB, you need media that says 8.5GB (DVD-9). At least here those are very expensive, like 10-12x the price of DVD-5.. |
| 15:27.31 | S4nD3r | umm |
| 15:27.53 | jetscreamer | S4nD3r: ok... but that's stil what the error means |
| 15:27.55 | liable | S4nD3r: is it a fresh dvd though? is there anything else on it? maybe it was finalised |
| 15:28.07 | jetscreamer | yeah maybe |
| 15:28.14 | cinex | my files (in an NFS server) have persmissons of ?--------- ? ? ? ? |
| 15:28.21 | cinex | how do you fix that>? I cant get it to change |
| 15:28.23 | S4nD3r | ummm |
| 15:28.31 | S4nD3r | I will try a DVD-RW then |
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| 15:28.34 | jetscreamer | cinex: mount options, or fstab |
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| 15:28.52 | cinex | jetscreamer: on the local machine (the same machien the server is running ?) |
| 15:28.56 | jetscreamer | or just the chownage |
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| 15:29.14 | jetscreamer | cinex: not sure, check both? |
| 15:29.28 | Freak|laptop | Anybody who knows what I do wrong? ns4:/var# chroot /var/chroot/ /bin/bash |
| 15:29.28 | Freak|laptop | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 15:29.47 | jetscreamer | you chroot to mount points |
| 15:30.04 | Freak|laptop | ? |
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| 15:30.12 | jetscreamer | like mount something then chroot /mnt/mountpoint |
| 15:30.14 | xand | Freak|laptop: /bin/bash doesn't exist in the chroot? |
| 15:30.17 | S4nD3r | Using dvdrw |
| 15:30.26 | S4nD3r | 148MB in files |
| 15:30.30 | S4nD3r | do not burned |
| 15:30.42 | S4nD3r | I tried to force (k3b) |
| 15:30.44 | S4nD3r | then.. |
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| 15:30.56 | Freak|laptop | /bin/bash and /var/chroot/bin/bash both exist |
| 15:30.57 | S4nD3r | /dev/hdb: media is not recognized as recordable DVD:0 |
| 15:31.09 | Freak|laptop | and /var/chroot is not a mountpoint |
| 15:31.20 | jetscreamer | oi;bvxczc1q245 |
| 15:31.21 | liable | do dvd-rw need to be formatted like the cd-rw ? |
| 15:31.29 | xand | liable: neither do |
| 15:31.32 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: are you sure /dev/hdb is where the drive is? |
| 15:31.36 | jetscreamer | they need to be preformatted |
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| 15:31.48 | jetscreamer | he just burned a cd |
| 15:32.01 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 15:32.07 | liable | xand: its been that long since i burnt a cdrw, dont they have to have something done before you can write to them? |
| 15:32.09 | ribnitz | liable: just for packet writing; which is highly discouraged. |
| 15:32.21 | liable | oh |
| 15:32.28 | xand | liable: I thought that was a windows thing for using them like a harddisk |
| 15:32.31 | Orionisti | Guys, any idea how to obtain the program that creates the GPRS connection in Knoppix and install it in Debian? |
| 15:32.51 | S4nD3r | its not possible to format too |
| 15:32.52 | ribnitz | liable: files can just be deleted by "clearing" the medium. At that point, all files go. |
| 15:33.19 | liable | xand: no idea, and i think the last time i used one was with windows |
| 15:33.29 | S4nD3r | HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H20N 1.02 (/dev/hdb, ) at /media/cdrom0 [CD-R; CD-RW; CD-ROM; DVD-ROM; DVD-RAM; DVD-R; DVD-RW; DVD-R DL; DVD+R; DVD+RW; DVD+R DL] [DVD-ROM; DVD-R Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Sequential; DVD-R Dual Layer Jump; DVD-RAM; DVD-RW Restricted Overwrite; DVD-RW Sequential; DVD+RW; DVD+R; DVD+R Double Layer; CD-ROM; CD-R; CD-RW] [SAO; TAO; RAW; SAO/R96P; SAO/R96R; RAW/R16; RAW/R96P; RAW/R96R; Restricted Overwr |
| 15:33.29 | S4nD3r | ite; Layer Jump] |
| 15:33.34 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 15:33.36 | xand | liable: which itself is a stupid idea imo :) |
| 15:33.39 | jetscreamer | that's a no no |
| 15:33.42 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 15:33.42 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 15:34.00 | S4nD3r | sorry |
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| 15:34.33 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: This kind of burner is generally well supported. |
| 15:35.13 | S4nD3r | yeah |
| 15:35.22 | S4nD3r | that Is dont understan |
| 15:35.52 | xand | could be a hardware fault? |
| 15:35.53 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: burning the cd worked? |
| 15:35.58 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 15:35.59 | S4nD3r | sure !!! |
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| 15:37.41 | jetscreamer | so close k3b and try again |
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| 15:37.59 | jetscreamer | see if growisofs will work also |
| 15:38.23 | hjb | hi., I'm having a little trouble with apache2+php5+dokuwik on linux lenny |
| 15:38.53 | S4nD3r | no worked |
| 15:39.15 | ribnitz | jetscreamer: deoesnt k3b use growisofs? |
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| 15:39.25 | liable | they all do |
| 15:39.47 | hjb | i installed the mentioned programs all from the official debian-packages |
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| 15:40.08 | liable | Orionisti: the name of the app would be a great start |
| 15:40.16 | hjb | whenever i point my browser (epiphany) to localhost/dokuwiki it offers me to download a file, which in turn is dokuwiki's index.php |
| 15:40.24 | S4nD3r | dvd+rw-format /dev/hdb |
| 15:40.33 | S4nD3r | :-( mounted media doesn't appear to be DVD±RW, DVD-RAM or Blu-ray |
| 15:40.35 | liable | !php wants me to dowload still |
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| 15:40.40 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 15:40.40 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
| 15:40.45 | liable | hjb: ^^ |
| 15:41.01 | hjb | !php wants me to download still |
| 15:41.01 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
| 15:41.14 | liable | why did you do that? |
| 15:41.33 | hjb | liable :) thanks |
| 15:41.37 | hjb | liable i'll do that |
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| 15:42.24 | tsocks | how can I know some commands like "!php wants me to download still", or "!rtfm" ? |
| 15:42.39 | hjb | liable Was there some change in default behaviour sometime ago? I've tried the exactly same sting on debian etch where it worked out of the box |
| 15:42.41 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 15:42.41 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 15:43.16 | liable | hjb: dont think so, some people just get lucky and have the problem you have |
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| 15:45.29 | S4nD3r | Thats impossible/ |
| 15:45.39 | S4nD3r | to burn dvds? |
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| 15:47.03 | xand | S4nD3r: what? |
| 15:47.06 | cTATUK | Hey, is it possible to set an HTTP/SOCKS proxy that the system will use for _all_ TCP connections? |
| 15:47.35 | S4nD3r | I do not get to burn DVDs |
| 15:47.37 | ribnitz | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device? - in the pre-built 2.6.22-1-686 kernel, with a cmipci card? (Sound prob) |
| 15:47.47 | S4nD3r | And, until now, nobody gets to help me solve this problem |
| 15:48.21 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: are you sure you have the toolchain? |
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| 15:48.45 | S4nD3r | no |
| 15:49.04 | S4nD3r | let me check it |
| 15:49.52 | hjb | !php |
| 15:49.52 | dpkg | from memory, php is #php or http://www.php.net/. Common installation methods include libapache-mod-php4(for apache1), libapache2-mod-php4(for apache2), php4-cli(CGI). PHP5 now in etch/sid. Don't forget to read http://www.php-security.org and http://www.hardened-php.net - use php4-suhosin/php5-suhosin, or see [php wants me to download still] |
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| 15:50.41 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: k3b can check that, I think |
| 15:50.44 | xand | hjb: did you install libapache-mod-php5? |
| 15:50.58 | xand | hjb: the "php5" package is not what you want |
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| 15:51.09 | Wesleysld | hi, what does this mean: " Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' " and how can i fix it? |
| 15:51.27 | hark | install xorg |
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| 15:51.38 | xand | !fixed font |
| 15:51.38 | dpkg | fixed font is probably if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 15:51.38 | hjb | xand: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:51.40 | abrotman | install the 'xorg' package |
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| 15:51.50 | xand | hjb: did apache restart? |
| 15:51.53 | S4nD3r | cdrdao, cdrecord |
| 15:51.54 | Wesleysld | thanx :) |
| 15:52.00 | S4nD3r | dvd+rw-format |
| 15:52.01 | hjb | xand: quite often |
| 15:52.08 | S4nD3r | growisofs |
| 15:52.14 | S4nD3r | mkisofs |
| 15:52.21 | S4nD3r | readcd |
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| 15:52.24 | S4nD3r | sox |
| 15:52.26 | xand | hjb: and you emptying the browser cache and restarted browser? |
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| 15:52.32 | xand | !eenter |
| 15:52.34 | RoyK | hi |
| 15:52.38 | xand | bah |
| 15:52.52 | S4nD3r | not found tccat, tcdecode, tcextract, tcprobe, transcode |
| 15:52.59 | RoyK | how can I remove the persisten networking shite that binds eth0 to a mac address? |
| 15:53.15 | S4nD3r | not found tccat, tcdecode, tcextract, tcprobe, transcode, tcscan |
| 15:53.17 | abrotman | RoyK: shoot the dhcp server ? |
| 15:53.19 | xand | RoyK: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 15:53.24 | hjb | xand that's a problem: i don't find a way to empty epiphany's cache |
| 15:53.24 | abrotman | oh .. that :) |
| 15:53.42 | silvertip257 | I used the netinstall cd iso to get the debian etch base system, but now I want xorg and fluxbox -- I apt-get install xserver-xorg and fluxbox separately. But I get a Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 15:53.54 | abrotman | silvertip257: aptitude install xorg |
| 15:54.00 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: pacakge transcode |
| 15:54.01 | RoyK | abrotman: it looks more like that is generated |
| 15:54.08 | abrotman | RoyK: no .. xand was right |
| 15:54.09 | silvertip257 | abrotman: how come I can't use apt-get ? |
| 15:54.12 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xorg silvertip257 |
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| 15:54.20 | jetscreamer | aptitutde whatev er |
| 15:54.21 | abrotman | silvertip257: use what you want .. i'd use aptitude |
| 15:54.22 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: used to transocde videos |
| 15:54.23 | S4nD3r | im installing right now |
| 15:54.25 | hjb | xand i'll try another browser |
| 15:54.37 | silvertip257 | jetscreamer / abrotman: how come I can't use xserver-xorg ? |
| 15:54.37 | hark | hjb: in preferences under Privacy |
| 15:54.37 | RoyK | /lib/udev/write_net_rules generates that on bootup |
| 15:54.47 | abrotman | silvertip257: because it doesn't work |
| 15:54.49 | liable | S4nD3r: transcode isnt going to help you burn dvd's |
| 15:54.49 | silvertip257 | maybe I used xorg before I b0rked it ... |
| 15:54.58 | silvertip257 | thanks abrotman / jetscreamer |
| 15:55.11 | hjb | hark ah, ok! thanks |
| 15:55.13 | S4nD3r | oh... |
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| 15:55.39 | S4nD3r | Id like to know if its possible to burn DVDs or not |
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| 15:55.48 | hark | hjb: then restart the browser (and apache2 if you haven't done so) |
| 15:56.00 | hjb | ?!?!? |
| 15:56.04 | hjb | Now it works |
| 15:56.13 | hjb | I haven't changed anything :) |
| 15:56.16 | abrotman | !tell silvertip257 about why aptitude |
| 15:56.22 | abrotman | hjb: browser cache |
| 15:56.26 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: I have burned DVD-5 with k3b, the toolchain just fine (using a NEC drive though). |
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| 15:56.44 | S4nD3r | What is a toolchain? |
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| 15:56.50 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 15:56.55 | |toketin| | halo |
| 15:57.02 | silvertip257 | so abrotman . it's better than apt-get ? |
| 15:57.05 | jetscreamer | tools/programs probably |
| 15:57.05 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: thats all the programs needed, like transcode.. |
| 15:57.07 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 15:57.10 | |toketin| | do anyone use mpd? |
| 15:57.20 | ribnitz | S4nD3r: or growisofs, or dvd+rw-format.. |
| 15:57.21 | Braindead | !anyone |
| 15:57.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:57.23 | jetscreamer | transcode is for making movies not dvds |
| 15:57.41 | jetscreamer | (basically) |
| 15:57.52 | RoyK | Solution to the mac addr binding shite: change /lib/udev/write_net_rules to just exit before ruining my image |
| 15:58.05 | S4nD3r | I have both installed |
| 15:58.06 | |toketin| | i've a problem with music player daemon, it doesn't start at boot |
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| 15:58.17 | |toketin| | why? |
| 15:58.24 | abrotman | silvertip257: for most operations .. yes |
| 15:58.31 | xand | |toketin|: read the log file |
| 15:58.44 | S4nD3r | its correct the dvd recorder is in /dev/hdd ? |
| 15:58.51 | xand | S4nD3r: how do we know? |
| 15:58.54 | xand | it's your computer :) |
| 15:58.56 | Noborusan | usually we should shutdown debian before we unplug mouse ? |
| 15:59.03 | xand | dmesg | grep hdd |
| 15:59.06 | S4nD3r | Its working |
| 15:59.09 | azeem | Noborusan: usb mouse? |
| 15:59.10 | S4nD3r | burned CDs |
| 15:59.16 | abrotman | stop hitting enter ! |
| 15:59.18 | S4nD3r | but not dvd |
| 15:59.21 | xand | !enter |
| 15:59.21 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 15:59.29 | |toketin| | xand: with archlinux i've installed it at the same mode for debian and it works well, on debian it doesn's start at boot |
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| 15:59.45 | Noborusan | what if i do it like this --> after i type in 'init 6' and the screen goes off ready to reboot ,i unplug mouse ? |
| 15:59.48 | abrotman | |toketin|: it might tell you why if you run the init sscript manually |
| 15:59.50 | Noborusan | azeem,ps/2 |
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| 15:59.53 | pocukrani | with what i can replace GameDesire chees for online playing chees? |
| 15:59.57 | xand | |toketin|: read the log file |
| 16:00.07 | xand | Noborusan: only when switched off. |
| 16:00.12 | gimmal | trying to remember the name of a game available w/i the deb repo ... anyone's ever played a multiplayer Star Trek kind of space-flight thing, or heard of it? |
| 16:00.14 | jetscreamer | xboard eboard crafty |
| 16:00.26 | Noborusan | xand, switched off == shutdown ? |
| 16:00.30 | jetscreamer | install those imo |
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| 16:00.32 | xand | Noborusan: ps/2 devices aren't designed for hotplugging... they can potentially be damaged/damage your motherboard if you do |
| 16:00.36 | gimmal | xshipwars, nmind |
| 16:00.40 | lordrich | |toketin|: what they all said, plus I seem to remember there being issues with the ownership of the music library by default |
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| 16:00.47 | Noborusan | xand, i see |
| 16:00.48 | xand | Noborusan: electrically switched off. |
| 16:00.58 | Noborusan | I see |
| 16:01.00 | gimmal | flipping orpahned |
| 16:01.01 | S4nD3r | dvds are not read |
| 16:01.15 | S4nD3r | are not burned |
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| 16:01.23 | |toketin| | lordrich: so i can't do anything? |
| 16:01.26 | xand | S4nD3r: please use space instead of enter. |
| 16:01.28 | abrotman | S4nD3r: stop hitting enter every third word |
| 16:01.43 | abrotman | |toketin|: i'm sure it has logs |
| 16:01.44 | S4nD3r | sorry ! |
| 16:01.50 | jetscreamer | ln -sn /dev/hdb /dev/dvd |
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| 16:01.54 | xand | |toketin|: did you read the log yet? |
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| 16:02.05 | |toketin| | abrotman: where are these logs? |
| 16:02.08 | lordrich | |toketin|: yes, you can read the logs and fix whatever they tell you is wrong |
| 16:02.18 | xand | |toketin|: same place as all others... /var/log |
| 16:02.20 | abrotman | |toketin|: dunno .. read the man page |
| 16:02.24 | gimmal | net tamagotchi server? ecrypes, some programmers must be bored, in their stuff |
| 16:02.36 | xand | /var/log/mpd/ |
| 16:02.51 | silvertip257 | ok thanks abrotman |
| 16:03.21 | S4nD3r | ln: criando link simbólico `/dev/dvd' to `/dev/hdb': Arquivo existe |
| 16:03.35 | |toketin| | nothing |
| 16:03.37 | |toketin| | in the logs |
| 16:03.42 | |toketin| | there's nothing |
| 16:03.45 | |toketin| | only a line |
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| 16:04.04 | xand | did you look at both logs? |
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| 16:04.10 | jetscreamer | is that french or spanish, S4nD3r .. or what |
| 16:04.19 | S4nD3r | portuguese |
| 16:04.23 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:04.28 | azeem | S4nD3r: set your LANG to C when you paste stuff |
| 16:04.31 | jetscreamer | did you try in #debian-br also ? |
| 16:04.33 | |toketin| | xand: yes boyh |
| 16:04.35 | |toketin| | both |
| 16:04.44 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 16:05.03 | S4nD3r | I have been there, almost everyday |
| 16:05.17 | jetscreamer | just checking |
| 16:05.19 | S4nD3r | but, did not get any efficient help |
| 16:05.31 | xand | |toketin|: does /etc/init.d/mpd exist? |
| 16:05.32 | jetscreamer | it's good to try all possible places |
| 16:05.57 | S4nD3r | Im sad to not use my recorder to burn DVDs |
| 16:06.16 | S4nD3r | that was the intentation when it was bought |
| 16:06.25 | jetscreamer | it will work imo |
| 16:06.25 | |toketin| | xand: yes there is |
| 16:06.26 | xand | !hug S4nD3r |
| 16:06.33 | jetscreamer | not sure why it's not |
| 16:06.39 | xand | |toketin|: does /etc/init.d/mpd start work? |
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| 16:07.10 | |toketin| | xand: as root? |
| 16:07.11 | xand | S4nD3r: have you tried more than one kind/brand of dvd? |
| 16:07.15 | xand | |toketin|: yes |
| 16:07.23 | S4nD3r | yes xand |
| 16:07.27 | dimir | wtf |
| 16:07.36 | dimir | !nickometer |toketin| |
| 16:07.38 | dpkg | '|toketin|' is 26.000% lame, dimir |
| 16:07.41 | jetscreamer | but that's weird.. did you do growisofs ? |
| 16:07.41 | dimir | !nickometer S4nD3r |
| 16:07.43 | dpkg | 'S4nD3r' is 28.000% lame, dimir |
| 16:07.51 | dimir | nicks they use today. |
| 16:07.52 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice dimir |
| 16:07.53 | xand | S4nD3r: what programs have you tried? |
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| 16:08.10 | S4nD3r | k3d and gnomebaker |
| 16:08.11 | |toketin| | sonda90:/home/marco# /etc/init.d/mpd start |
| 16:08.11 | |toketin| | Starting Music Player Daemon: /etc/mpd.conf must have db_file and pid_file set; not starting. |
| 16:08.13 | |toketin| | xand: this is the output: |
| 16:08.20 | xand | that's the reason |
| 16:08.26 | Kartoffelsalat | !nickometer Kartoffelsalat |
| 16:08.27 | dpkg | 'Kartoffelsalat' is 0.000% lame, kartoffelsalat |
| 16:08.32 | Kartoffelsalat | yay |
| 16:08.37 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 16:09.02 | xand | |toketin|: check for/add these lines in /etc/mpd.conf: "db_file "/var/lib/mpd/tag_cache"" and "pid_file "/var/run/mpd/pid"" |
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| 16:09.46 | xand | they might just need uncommenting |
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| 16:11.19 | gimmal | y'know, it's funny, how seriously it is that linux rocks, versus how few people know it does, and that it's free in its rockness |
| 16:11.54 | xand | maybe if windows didn't come with all new PCs (except macs) |
| 16:12.42 | xand | well, nearly all |
| 16:12.55 | gimmal | xand: well, imo -- i guess, here's part of the issue -- i think a lot of people would be pissed off, if they asked for linux without being really sure of it, then found that they have to do some work to use their flipping computers, when they'd get that comp with linux on it |
| 16:13.23 | gimmal | i mean, like, OMG! you have to know what you're doing, at these machines?! |
| 16:13.28 | gimmal | thfffffffffpt |
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| 16:13.34 | xand | S4nD3r: did you try using wodim? |
| 16:13.37 | Orionisti | Grr.... Google only gives me tutorials regarding bluetooth connection and Nokia 6230, while I have a working cable connection and just need to use the GPRS modem... |
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| 16:13.44 | xand | gimmal: that's not necessarily the case |
| 16:13.46 | S4nD3r | wodim, no |
| 16:13.56 | gimmal | xand: hm; how do you say? |
| 16:14.01 | xand | that's what I use for burning dvds |
| 16:14.33 | xand | gimmal: if the machine is supplied configured for everything they want to do, they shouldn't have a problem |
| 16:15.16 | S4nD3r | Where may I put the command result to you see? |
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| 16:15.20 | xand | !paste |
| 16:15.21 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:15.21 | S4nD3r | pastebin? |
| 16:15.24 | xand | yes. |
| 16:15.25 | gimmal | xand: true -- to another **strong** point about Debian, not sure if RH really even comes close, heh |
| 16:15.50 | gimmal | Orionisti: afaik, I'm using a gprs modem, atm; what's the issue? |
| 16:15.53 | candyban | Hi guys ... does anyone know a good/easy/simple way to get your own external IP address via some (commandline) tool? |
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| 16:16.21 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/34901 |
| 16:16.27 | gimmal | not sure what standards it's using -- Treo 700wx, PPP over /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 16:16.39 | msn | candyban: lynx http://www.whatismyipaddress.com |
| 16:16.45 | msn | candyban: lynx http://www.whatismyipaddress.org whatever it is |
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| 16:17.07 | aib | when I use `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot' it runs `make', which takes about an hour on a single machine for our software. is there anyway to tell dpkg to use `make -j20' to take advantage of our distcc install? |
| 16:17.14 | msn | candyban: that depends on weather you have lynx |
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| 16:17.22 | cinex | hi |
| 16:17.30 | abrotman | aib: can you export CC ? |
| 16:17.31 | xand | S4nD3r: then what happens next? |
| 16:17.34 | gimmal | candyban: dhcp ? maybe I misgrok'd the question |
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| 16:17.46 | aib | abrotman, i can, but it calls `/usr/bin/make' directly... |
| 16:17.57 | cinex | I have a directory with 'blank' permission. when I'm root i can see who owns the file etc. but when I'm the owner of the files they are blank. |
| 16:17.58 | S4nD3r | thats the output of checkdrive |
| 16:18.02 | cinex | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 16:18.16 | xand | S4nD3r: wodim dev=/dev/dvd somefile.iso ? |
| 16:18.16 | msn | candyban: you can also try pinging a non existant address on internet it might tell you what your ip is |
| 16:18.24 | abrotman | aib: ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 16:18.34 | aib | tx |
| 16:18.44 | xand | msn: no, it'll say "ping: unknown host blah" |
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| 16:18.54 | gimmal | candyban: /sbin/ifconfig $IFACE | grep inet | awk '{print $2}' | cut -d: -f2 # ?? |
| 16:19.17 | xand | gimmal: I think he wants the public IP address of his router |
| 16:19.20 | |toketin| | thanks it was the line of pid that there wasn't |
| 16:19.21 | gimmal | kind of chessy in the awk/cut combo, but it works; IFACE=eth0 or IFACE=ppp0 or however |
| 16:19.28 | |toketin| | now it loads mpd daemon at the boot |
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| 16:19.42 | msn | xand: just a stupid hack i use at work to find local address it generally returns "ip <so-so> cannot ping destination" |
| 16:19.42 | |toketin| | xand: thanks ;) |
| 16:19.44 | msn | something like that |
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| 16:19.52 | abrotman | gimmal: external |
| 16:19.56 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/34911 |
| 16:19.58 | msn | :P |
| 16:20.05 | candyban | gimmal: I'm behind NAT ... and I was hoping I could solve it without going to a 'website' to find my IP |
| 16:20.21 | candyban | msn: I fear I'll have to use that approach then :( |
| 16:20.38 | abrotman | candyban: traceroute >? |
| 16:20.53 | xand | traceroute won't tell you |
| 16:21.01 | xand | candyban: use ddclient or something with dyndns.org? |
| 16:21.02 | abrotman | argh . that's right |
| 16:21.03 | abrotman | damn it |
| 16:21.09 | |toketin| | can i make kvirc italian? |
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| 16:21.31 | candyban | xand: I'm making my own :) ... |
| 16:21.32 | cinex | the files were copyed from a fat32 partition ... |
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| 16:22.15 | gimmal | hey, anyone know of a good/decent web hosting provider that offers linux hosting (and postgresql, damnit, not mysql, or both) ? |
| 16:22.24 | candyban | thanks guys ... I'll use the website :( |
| 16:22.27 | gimmal | just thought to ask, here -- seems like folks may be in the know about such and such, here -- pardon the w0tne55 |
| 16:22.34 | gimmal | zettai rocked, but they went out of fricking bidness |
| 16:22.57 | xlq | the default Debian installation enables the Bash 'smart' auto-complete thingy. How do I turn it off? It's driving me mad! |
| 16:23.37 | xlq | the relevant lines in /etc/bash.bashrc are already commented out |
| 16:23.54 | S4nD3r | http://paste.debian.net/34911 What do you think about ? |
| 16:24.27 | hark | xlq: yeah, it's not enabled by default |
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| 16:25.07 | xand | candyban: if you use dyndns then you can just use dns |
| 16:25.23 | xlq | hark: but it is enabled :( |
| 16:25.36 | xand | ffs |
| 16:26.22 | gimmal | nyek, the DebianLive docs at the deb wiki are outdated -- mentioning a deprecated make-live command, nothing about lh_config and lh_build |
| 16:26.28 | gimmal | no docs, either |
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| 16:26.54 | S4nD3r | No way to use DVD drive? |
| 16:27.06 | snowbird | i do |
| 16:27.10 | S4nD3r | Its recommended to install XP box? |
| 16:27.12 | snowbird | its burns with k3b |
| 16:27.38 | candyban | xand: I have my own domain name, and I'm using bind (with dynamic updates) ... so why use some other service when I have everything (except my IP address) |
| 16:27.43 | snowbird | k3b better than any windows burner |
| 16:27.51 | xand | oh |
| 16:27.53 | xand | fine :P |
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| 16:31.24 | candyban | xand: It's working now ... had to pull the ugly lynx trick |
| 16:31.35 | xand | use perl! |
| 16:32.19 | candyban | xand: why? |
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| 16:35.02 | snowbird | lynx text brother? |
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| 16:35.54 | cinex | is there an easy way to recursivly change permissions of all files under a directoty without changing the subdirectory permissions ? |
| 16:36.11 | abrotman | find |
| 16:36.19 | candyban | cinex: find ./ -type f -exec chmod a+w {} \; |
| 16:36.24 | cinex | thanks |
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| 16:36.31 | cinex | im gonna have to learn find proplery :/ |
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| 16:38.57 | Noborusan | abrotman, there ? |
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| 16:39.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:39.30 | Noborusan | strange, i did apt-get install linux-image..now i have 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:39.54 | Noborusan | but now i do apt-get update & apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:40.15 | Noborusan | there is a linux-image-2.6-686 will be upgrade,huh ? |
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| 16:40.35 | abrotman | that's a metapackage |
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| 16:40.48 | Noborusan | accept it ? |
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| 16:42.12 | candyban | bye guys |
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| 16:42.57 | xand | yay i can eat chocolate again |
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| 16:43.17 | Braindead | I CAN HAS CHEEZBURGER? |
| 16:43.24 | S4nD3r | Is there anything I must to do in my hardware to have DVD recorder working? |
| 16:43.55 | silvertip257 | my grub splash/menu is only a certain section of the screen on bootup -- is there a way I can make it full screen? |
| 16:44.46 | Noborusan | okay,bye guys |
| 16:45.06 | S4nD3r | installed any module to drive be recognized as scsi ? |
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| 16:46.53 | robboplus | how do i allow a user to use iptables? |
| 16:47.28 | twb | On the fbcon, can I customize the colours used for the eight ANSI colour escape sequences? |
| 16:47.28 | troubled | robboplus: sudo |
| 16:47.28 | xand | S4nD3r: I reckon the drive is fault |
| 16:47.28 | xand | y |
| 16:47.28 | xand | robboplus: you dont |
| 16:47.28 | twb | For example, using #0000cd instead of #0000ff for blue. |
| 16:47.28 | robboplus | xand it's just me |
| 16:47.28 | twb | If so, how? |
| 16:47.37 | robboplus | troubled any hopes for that without sudo? just command |
| 16:47.44 | robboplus | hi there mangos btw ;) |
| 16:47.58 | troubled | robboplus: yes, so long as its a safe system without anyone else on it. heya :) |
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| 16:48.11 | robboplus | troubled yes, it's just me and myself |
| 16:48.15 | troubled | robboplus: you can chgrp it to your user's group and setgid it |
| 16:48.20 | robboplus | troubled i need to run iptables on user acc |
| 16:48.31 | robboplus | and i have no chance on interactively entering the pass |
| 16:48.35 | robboplus | of* |
| 16:48.46 | robboplus | hm so chgrp and setgid.. |
| 16:49.00 | xand | setuid. |
| 16:49.01 | troubled | ya, thats probably the quickest without getting into sudo |
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| 16:49.02 | xand | not setgid |
| 16:49.15 | troubled | sorry ya setuid heh, my bad |
| 16:49.16 | robboplus | let me try that |
| 16:49.17 | xand | setgid would make it run as you |
| 16:49.27 | troubled | ty xand, almost missed that |
| 16:49.28 | robboplus | hm |
| 16:49.47 | robboplus | speaking of setgid.. would it also allow me to attach to the dettached root screen session? |
| 16:49.58 | edistar | how can I restart the alsaserver? |
| 16:50.16 | troubled | robboplus: basically chgrp robboplus ; chmod u+s /sbin/iptables ; chmod o= /sbin/iptables or something like that |
| 16:50.35 | robboplus | you are really kind troubled, thank you, trying all that |
| 16:50.57 | troubled | robboplus: well, i didnt actually "try" it of course ;) |
| 16:51.12 | troubled | robboplus: as for screen, it has to do with write permission to the tty in use |
| 16:51.22 | robboplus | hm.. |
| 16:51.26 | ricky | Umm... you can make sudo not take a password for certain commands.. |
| 16:51.30 | robboplus | i tried to dig the right tty but i failed |
| 16:51.44 | ricky | It sounds safer than setuid to me, at least. |
| 16:51.46 | robboplus | ricky oh really? that would ROCK |
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| 16:51.50 | troubled | robboplus: you can accomplish it, but its really a kludge to get it to work |
| 16:52.09 | robboplus | did you mean sudo or screen? |
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| 16:52.30 | ricky | robboplus: sudo (which you can use to reattach a screen as well). |
| 16:52.58 | robboplus | hm... |
| 16:53.05 | S4nD3r | uammm |
| 16:53.10 | S4nD3r | forget it |
| 16:53.17 | S4nD3r | I will buy another recorder |
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| 16:53.42 | robboplus | ricky i think it's time to dig man :) |
| 16:53.59 | ricky | robboplus: Yup, man sudoers will give you everything you need. |
| 16:54.44 | troubled | robboplus: tbh, sudo really is the method you should be using |
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| 16:55.32 | robboplus | troubled i did like the idea to be honest, too |
| 16:55.44 | robboplus | even though it's about reading alot again.. |
| 16:57.17 | troubled | robboplus: its just one of those tools every admin should learn once |
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| 16:57.32 | robboplus | i do know sudo but i use it for very typical stuff |
| 16:57.36 | robboplus | mostly sudo bash :) |
| 16:57.49 | robboplus | and i had no idea how many things can be done with it.. until now |
| 16:58.01 | azeem | robboplus: sudo bash is kinda against the spiri |
| 16:58.02 | azeem | t |
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| 16:58.26 | robboplus | i know what you mean but sometimes it is useful |
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| 16:58.39 | robboplus | and STILL different from remote root login |
| 16:59.04 | Muisje | if i want a crontab to run during hours 12 till 20, can i just do 12-20 right? |
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| 17:00.14 | robboplus | insults If set, sudo will insult users when they enter an incorrect password. |
| 17:00.15 | ricky | sudo su - might be better than sudo bash :) |
| 17:00.16 | robboplus | rofl :) |
| 17:00.37 | flami | when i specify in libnss-mysql users.host = inet:localhost:3306; shouldnt it use tcp ? when i strace it it still uses /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock to connect , anyway to make it NOT use that file ? |
| 17:00.45 | flami | Oh forgot to say Hi |
| 17:01.05 | robboplus | ok i just gave up |
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| 17:01.34 | robboplus | like 100 of options and i see nothing that even looks like an example of sudoers file that would exempt a single command from entering pass |
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| 17:02.16 | robboplus | i found listpw but that is a bit different |
| 17:02.19 | ricky | robboplus: /nopasswd |
| 17:02.28 | troubled | robboplus: i believe there is a NOPASSWORD option you can use |
| 17:02.33 | robboplus | hm |
| 17:02.40 | ricky | Er, or NOPASSWD, if capitalization matters. |
| 17:02.42 | robboplus | so just a command line switch? |
| 17:02.53 | S4nD3r | I will try to put the recorder in a IDE as master |
| 17:02.54 | ricky | Nope. You have to set it in sudoers. The manpage is filled with examples, though. |
| 17:02.55 | robboplus | NOPASSWD is a flag |
| 17:02.58 | S4nD3r | maybe it works |
| 17:03.06 | S4nD3r | what do you think about? |
| 17:03.25 | robboplus | Tag_Spec ::= (’NOPASSWD:’ │ ’PASSWD:’ │ ’NOEXEC:’ │ ’EXEC:’) |
| 17:03.42 | robboplus | i promise to use visudo :) |
| 17:04.06 | robboplus | oh yes! |
| 17:04.17 | robboplus | there IS an example... |
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| 17:04.39 | taime1 | is there a way to diagnose ssh problems? |
| 17:04.49 | S4nD3r | xand, what do you think? |
| 17:05.43 | abrotman | taime1: there's a verbose option |
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| 17:06.20 | taime1 | not sure what that means |
| 17:06.21 | taime1 | sorry |
| 17:06.55 | xand | S4nD3r: maybe |
| 17:06.55 | xand | taime1: what kind of problems? |
| 17:07.40 | taime1 | see, last night, my box suddenly kicked me out of an ssh session, and now it will NOT let me ssh back in... i have been home, restarted the computer, double checked that ports are still forwarded, and even removed and reinstalled ssh... and i can still vnc into that box... so what gives? |
| 17:07.56 | xand | taime1: what happens when you try? |
| 17:08.10 | taime1 | well, putty on windows tells me that the connection times out |
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| 17:08.26 | xand | login to it locally and see if you can ssh to localhost |
| 17:08.33 | xand | or with vnc |
| 17:08.46 | xand | if it times out, it's being firewalled/the port isn't forwarded |
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| 17:08.57 | taime1 | i can still vnc into it |
| 17:08.57 | xand | or sshd is broken |
| 17:09.08 | xand | vnc to it and try "ssh localhost" |
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| 17:09.17 | taime1 | okay, hang on |
| 17:10.23 | abrotman | ssh -v <host> |
| 17:11.21 | taime1 | wait... localhost is my own ip? |
| 17:11.26 | xand | if it's timing out, not sure how much that'll help |
| 17:11.27 | xand | taime1: yes. |
| 17:11.29 | taime1 | (sorry im new to all this) |
| 17:11.31 | taime1 | thanks |
| 17:11.32 | xand | to see if sshd is working |
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| 17:11.48 | taime1 | internal or external ip? |
| 17:12.03 | abrotman | ssh localhost (after you vnc in) |
| 17:12.37 | taime1 | i did ssh - <external ip> |
| 17:12.44 | taime1 | -v** |
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| 17:13.21 | taime1 | now it just says connecting |
| 17:13.24 | xand | taime1: localhost |
| 17:13.28 | xand | "ssh localhost" |
| 17:13.36 | taime1 | oh |
| 17:13.38 | xand | if that works, try the internal IP |
| 17:13.40 | taime1 | god, im retarded |
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| 17:14.08 | taime1 | okay, that worked, trying internal... |
| 17:14.48 | taime1 | authenticity cannot be established |
| 17:14.59 | abrotman | says the client? |
| 17:15.02 | abrotman | did the key change? |
| 17:15.13 | taime1 | from the ssh localhost key? |
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| 17:15.36 | abrotman | what's the full error ? |
| 17:16.01 | taime1 | what i typed, plus 'do you wish to continue anyway?' |
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| 17:16.21 | abrotman | say yes |
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| 17:16.26 | taime1 | i did |
| 17:16.40 | abrotman | and then ? |
| 17:16.44 | taime1 | well, im in |
| 17:17.42 | taime1 | this is strange |
| 17:17.49 | taime1 | im going to try again form work |
| 17:18.16 | taime1 | dangit... still wont let me in from work... |
| 17:18.42 | abrotman | taime1: what does it say at work ? |
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| 17:18.54 | abrotman | don't forget the -v |
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| 17:19.33 | taime1 | the -v from work? |
| 17:19.37 | abrotman | if you can |
| 17:19.37 | xand | taime1: either your work's firewall blocks it, your isp does, or you don't have port forward enabled correctly |
| 17:19.39 | taime1 | i use putty |
| 17:19.50 | abrotman | taime1: work is windows ? |
| 17:19.55 | taime1 | no |
| 17:19.59 | taime1 | brb |
| 17:20.04 | abrotman | telnet <ip> 22 |
| 17:20.28 | jae | What's fsck's "Operational Error"? |
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| 17:21.51 | taime1 | abrotman: from the home box? |
| 17:21.58 | abrotman | from work |
| 17:22.03 | taime1 | okay.. |
| 17:22.05 | taime1 | hang on |
| 17:22.21 | robboplus | help :( why on earth this doesn't work as expected? john ALL = NOPASSWD: /sbin/iptables |
| 17:22.31 | robboplus | john still needs to give pass to be able to sudo iptables |
| 17:22.41 | robboplus | i don't understand JACK from that sudo man |
| 17:22.49 | robboplus | i'm just a poor human |
| 17:23.29 | taime1 | cannot connect on port 22... but man, i just TRIPLE checked that my ports are forwarded |
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| 17:24.24 | widrone | I just had an "apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" go boom on my nslu2 running debian etch, a powercycle got it back online thu but Id like to try and figure out what made it crach really. |
| 17:24.35 | xand | taime1: it must be blocked somewhere else then... what's the server's IP? |
| 17:24.47 | taime1 | 68.102.157.178 |
| 17:24.58 | taime1 | (hehe, i guess i dont care about security) |
| 17:25.02 | abrotman | i can't get to it |
| 17:25.09 | xand | neither can I... could be the ISP |
| 17:25.13 | xand | or router playing up |
| 17:25.16 | abrotman | or he didn't forward his ports :) |
| 17:25.21 | xand | or that |
| 17:25.25 | taime1 | nah, ports are forwarded |
| 17:25.32 | taime1 | fer shure |
| 17:25.45 | taime1 | you know... i of all the crap i did |
| 17:25.50 | taime1 | i forgot to reset the router |
| 17:25.54 | taime1 | i bet that will do it |
| 17:25.57 | xand | then it must be your ISP blocking it |
| 17:26.11 | taime1 | why would they do that? |
| 17:26.17 | xand | cos they're gits ;) |
| 17:26.24 | taime1 | igits? |
| 17:26.32 | xand | no, gits... some ISPs do that |
| 17:26.33 | taime1 | heh |
| 17:26.57 | xand | that I've heard of anyway, they don't want people using "home" connections for servers |
| 17:27.18 | taime1 | wonder if i can call and complain |
| 17:27.31 | xand | try rebooting the home router, could be that as well |
| 17:27.40 | taime1 | yeah, ill try that fisrt |
| 17:28.35 | rogier | I'm looking for a system tray application that can continuously ping some hosts to check the connection. Suggestions ? |
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| 17:29.20 | xand | taime1: you could try using a different port to 22 as well |
| 17:29.45 | taime1 | hey thanks a lot for the help |
| 17:29.57 | widrone | The packages it was wanting to install was "debian-archive-keyring initramfs-tools nano x11-common" and about the only thing I can find in the logs (syslog) are: "sluk init: Trying to re-exec init" |
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| 17:32.11 | widrone | Anythink spesific I should look at or do to turn on more loggin before i try again? ;) |
| 17:32.58 | silvertip257 | how might I test my sound card once I've installed alsa pkgs ? |
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| 17:33.32 | nivanson | silvertip257: raise the volume with alsamixer and play some music :) |
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| 17:35.47 | robboplus | what would be the reverse action to: iptables -A OUTPUT -d $ip -j DROP ? |
| 17:36.05 | robboplus | i mean i would need to remove a rule for particular ip |
| 17:36.09 | abrotman | accept ? |
| 17:36.12 | silvertip257 | how nivanson: what term cmd for alsamixer? |
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| 17:36.16 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 17:36.16 | Braindead | same, with -D |
| 17:36.16 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 17:36.27 | Apachez | iptables -R or something |
| 17:36.35 | Apachez | but I prefer having iptables rules in a script |
| 17:36.43 | robboplus | Apachez hm that's what i have too |
| 17:36.47 | Apachez | so I just alter the script and rerun the script and the rules will be recreated |
| 17:36.56 | Apachez | like http://www.tbg.nu/iptables.txt |
| 17:36.57 | robboplus | and now i wonder how to automate the removal of certain line in there |
| 17:37.32 | Apachez | the script starts by setting default policy to drop, and then it removes all rules, and then it adds the rules needed |
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| 17:38.33 | silvertip257 | nivanson: I've tried amixer and alasmixer in the terminal |
| 17:39.12 | cinex | aumix |
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| 17:40.29 | msn | aumix doesnt work with alsa |
| 17:40.32 | cahoot_ | silvertip257: just run invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 17:40.36 | cinex | a hosts.allow file controls all connections ? |
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| 17:41.23 | silvertip257 | cahoot: need I run that just this time or will I need to run it on every bootup? |
| 17:41.24 | msn | silvertip257: start alsamixer and try unmuting the pcm channel, it is generally muted by default |
| 17:41.43 | cahoot_ | silvertip257: then test basic sound with: aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a terminal - as 'user' |
| 17:41.44 | silvertip257 | msn: I'm trying by typign "alsamixer" |
| 17:41.56 | silvertip257 | ok cahoot |
| 17:41.56 | blakkino | there is a way to tell dpkg to behave like if a package has been installed |
| 17:42.01 | msn | did you install alsa-utils |
| 17:42.02 | blakkino | without installing it really? |
| 17:42.13 | silvertip257 | yes msn |
| 17:42.17 | jetscreamer | yes there's a trial/don't really thing |
| 17:42.19 | jetscreamer | man dpkg |
| 17:42.25 | msn | then is it should be there |
| 17:42.46 | cahoot_ | silvertip257: alsa-utils will be run automagically at boot |
| 17:42.49 | msn | alsamixer from cmd should work |
| 17:42.57 | silvertip257 | ok ty cahoot_ |
| 17:43.01 | silvertip257 | ok |
| 17:43.15 | msn | try unmuting PCM and Front/Headphone |
| 17:43.19 | silvertip257 | well I just looked @ the time - gtg to work -- I'll try this later - saving the convo |
| 17:43.24 | silvertip257 | ok ty |
| 17:43.53 | msn | on of them is defualt mute so you keep fiddling with everything and eventually realize it |
| 17:44.29 | silvertip257 | msn: ok yea i think it's muted by default, will try after work |
| 17:44.33 | silvertip257 | thanks! |
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| 17:44.47 | msn | silvertip257: been there done that |
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| 17:44.55 | cahoot_ | silvertip257: alsa-utils will be run automagically at boot and will unmute and set levels for you |
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| 17:45.26 | xand | what's a simple CLI audio recorder? is there something in /dev I can read from to create raw audio files? |
| 17:45.39 | cahoot_ | xand: arecord |
| 17:45.39 | msn | cahoot_: it sure unmutes but only one either PCM or Front/Headphone you have to do the other manually for it do that next time |
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| 17:45.53 | linux_jones | how come shortly after the gdm is loaded at boot my computer dies, hdd lights stop blinking, screen goes blank, and keyboard doesnt work (caps lock light and whatnot), any ideas? |
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| 17:46.44 | msn | linux_jones: start your comp in single user and disable gdm |
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| 17:47.20 | msn | linux_jones: once gdm is disabled boot it, check logs, if everything is clear check X config by starting with typing "X" on prompt |
| 17:47.43 | linux_jones | would gdm mess with the keyboard like that though? |
| 17:47.58 | msn | linux_jones: hopefully this should get you the problem, if it doesnt, then check gdm conf |
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| 17:48.14 | msn | just try the first 2 things you would get to some result by the end of it |
| 17:48.16 | jetscreamer | startx |
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| 17:48.44 | msn | startx or X should give you the problem without messing up your host,(hopefully) |
| 17:48.50 | logd | hi how do i swtich swap from partition to FILE ? |
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| 17:49.11 | msn | !swap |
| 17:49.11 | dpkg | well, swap is still a useful and good thing to have, even with lots of available memory: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 17:49.23 | linux_jones | i also got a really funny swap message during the install, but ill get to that after i get this fixed |
| 17:50.07 | cahoot_ | msn: looks to me alsa-utils unmutes quite a few controls |
| 17:50.10 | xand | swap file |
| 17:50.12 | xand | !swap file |
| 17:50.12 | dpkg | hmm... swap file is An area of your hard drive that the computer uses for RAM. Although slower, it is usually much more abundant., but see man mkswap && man swapon |
| 17:50.22 | jetscreamer | just dd a file up, and run mkswap on it |
| 17:50.42 | jetscreamer | i believe you need to set a proper bs= and something else |
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| 17:50.52 | jetscreamer | google gives it up first couple hits |
| 17:50.54 | msn | cahoot_: it does, but it doesnt unmute both PCM and Front channels, that's been a problem with me from day one |
| 17:51.09 | msn | man swap should do it |
| 17:51.49 | jetscreamer | bs=1024 count= |
| 17:51.49 | logd | <jetscreamer>it's possible to give a label to the swap partition? |
| 17:52.00 | jetscreamer | not sure, man mkswap |
| 17:52.08 | jetscreamer | i know you can do it by uuid |
| 17:52.19 | msn | for thouse wondering what msn is doing in #debian do a /whois :D |
| 17:52.22 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=swapfile+dd&restrict=linux |
| 17:52.50 | cahoot_ | msn: ok I'm just speaking from experience with hda-intel and audigy YMMW |
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| 17:53.04 | jetscreamer | i'm not wondering |
| 17:53.11 | logd | jetscreamer, practically i assigned a label to root partition so i've problems no more whether my usb disk is mounted sda or sdb but swap partiton's still declared as sdb |
| 17:53.43 | msn | cahoot_: may be that's why i have had a Creative Sound blaster since i bought my first comp it never activates in multichannel cards |
| 17:53.59 | msn | and with new 8 channel onboard cards it seldom activates both the channels |
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| 17:54.01 | jetscreamer | you can mount the swap by uuid so i'm sure you could do it by label if you can label swap |
| 17:54.11 | jetscreamer | so do it by uuid |
| 17:54.17 | logd | ok how do i findout uuide ? |
| 17:54.31 | msn | logd: have you checked google and man |
| 17:54.31 | jetscreamer | you can do it by /dev/disk |
| 17:55.09 | jetscreamer | any of those methods i mean |
| 17:55.12 | msn | logd: asking here is nice but when you read man you will learn 10 more things you never thought were possible about swap |
| 17:55.48 | logd | cat /dev/disk/by-uuid gives many funny numbers |
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| 17:57.04 | jetx | #UUID=1a431dd3-f09f-4f34-a0c6-a5714f1ce277 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 17:57.17 | jetscreamer | like that |
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| 17:57.49 | jetscreamer | ls -lA /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 18:00.02 | linux_jones | how do i disable gdm? |
| 18:00.21 | jetscreamer | not by the factoid method |
| 18:00.48 | jetscreamer | it's controlled by /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 18:00.58 | jetscreamer | back it up and make it empty |
| 18:01.07 | jetscreamer | copy it back when you want it to run |
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| 18:01.30 | jetscreamer | you can also chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm and +x it back |
| 18:01.46 | jetscreamer | but the 'approved' method is... |
| 18:01.48 | jetscreamer | !nodm |
| 18:01.48 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 18:01.50 | gimmal | would dpkg have an answer for "how do you set the default debconf front-end to use?" |
| 18:02.05 | R4M0N_ | linux_jones: update-rc.d -f <service> remove |
| 18:02.24 | gimmal | !debconf |
| 18:02.24 | dpkg | Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html |
| 18:02.24 | jetscreamer | see also man update-alternatives |
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| 18:02.40 | abrotman | gimmal: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 18:03.53 | gimmal | abrotman: danke |
| 18:04.31 | logd | jetscreamer, that given me id for sda1 but swap ppart is sda5 |
| 18:05.14 | linux_jones | dmesg a good place to start looking? |
| 18:05.44 | yangx | I upgraded the processor to core2duo and replaced previous linux kernel -k7 with -686. Now it ends in kernel panic error http://paste.debian.net/34918 |
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| 18:07.40 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | hi, im just trying do install my nvida graphic driver |
| 18:07.54 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | i use this wiki: http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Debian_NVIDIA_proprietary_display_driver_installation |
| 18:08.28 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:08.28 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 18:08.34 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | when i use this command: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r), it says: Cannot find packet Kernel-headers-2.6.14-4-amd64 |
| 18:08.41 | linux_jones | the problem with just doing the "X" thing is that errors pop up but then disappear and the system locks before i can do anything with them |
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| 18:09.19 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | can anybody help me? |
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| 18:09.44 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | whats one-liner? |
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| 18:10.34 | abrotman | pHySSiX-L4pt0p: you're running an old kernel |
| 18:10.51 | abrotman | pHySSiX-L4pt0p: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:10.56 | abrotman | then try the above command |
| 18:11.40 | widrone | I am having some problems with update-initramfs on a arm arch, anywhere I should be to inform the debian ARM ppl to this? |
| 18:11.45 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | it says i have to insert the cd |
| 18:12.03 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | ... i dont think that there is an newer one |
| 18:12.15 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | i downloadet the newest image yesterday |
| 18:12.20 | abrotman | paste your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere |
| 18:12.24 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:12.24 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:12.50 | Gnu_Raiz | !sudo |
| 18:12.51 | dpkg | sudo is, like, (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 18:13.02 | logd | where i can find vol_id program ? |
| 18:13.02 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | its installing |
| 18:13.09 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | after that i will paste it |
| 18:13.28 | Gnu_Raiz | !vol_id |
| 18:13.55 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: msg the bot |
| 18:14.07 | Gnu_Raiz | I did |
| 18:14.16 | abrotman | no .. you're doing it in the channel |
| 18:14.19 | abrotman | !tell Gnu_Raiz about msg the bot |
| 18:14.34 | Gnu_Raiz | still msg the bot. |
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| 18:14.45 | simonkern | hi |
| 18:14.53 | linux_jones | where do i find x errors? |
| 18:15.00 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:15.17 | Gnu_Raiz | your bot works real good. |
| 18:15.25 | stoned | simonkern: ? |
| 18:15.35 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | http://nopaste.info/af471fce68.html |
| 18:15.41 | stoned | nm |
| 18:15.49 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | @ abrotman |
| 18:15.56 | Gnu_Raiz | abrotman: so how does unionfs resize jfs partitions? |
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| 18:16.09 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: what? |
| 18:16.11 | D0ug | Debian Stable is Etch 4.0? Right? |
| 18:16.14 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:16.17 | D0ug | thank you |
| 18:16.19 | abrotman | pHySSiX-L4pt0p: you're in austria ? |
| 18:16.22 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | yes |
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| 18:16.34 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | why? |
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| 18:16.38 | Gnu_Raiz | you told me to use unionfs, to resize jfs partitions. |
| 18:16.45 | gimmal | anyone know the naming-pattern for debconf front-end packages? trying to write some docs to this, notes & such |
| 18:16.53 | abrotman | pHySSiX-L4pt0p: in that file .. add "deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ etch main" |
| 18:17.05 | simonkern | i have a problem with my debian installation, i'm using etch. when i boot without a monitor it hangs around 2 min at "savedefault" and then it boots normal, if a monitor is connected to the machine, it boots normally |
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| 18:17.08 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | where? |
| 18:17.10 | abrotman | pHySSiX-L4pt0p: then run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:17.14 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | at the end or anywhere else? |
| 18:17.17 | abrotman | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:17.27 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | ok |
| 18:17.30 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | wait |
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| 18:17.37 | abrotman | i never had a chance to love you |
| 18:17.56 | capiira | hmmmmm anyone know if shred overwrite bad blocks too ? |
| 18:18.18 | valdyn | capiira: bad blocks? |
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| 18:18.24 | capiira | sectors |
| 18:18.29 | Gnu_Raiz | !shred |
| 18:18.29 | dpkg | shred, rap, powd, dude |
| 18:18.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:18.36 | capiira | :) |
| 18:18.41 | abrotman | !libshred |
| 18:18.42 | abrotman | bah |
| 18:18.44 | valdyn | capiira: i know what a block is, i dont see the point in trying to overwrite bad blocks |
| 18:18.46 | abrotman | !info libshred etch |
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| 18:18.58 | linux_jones | looks like just alot of problems with my video card, would that cause my computer to hang like mentioned? |
| 18:18.59 | capiira | i case it have informations too |
| 18:19.04 | Gnu_Raiz | so whos spaming the bot now |
| 18:19.06 | abrotman | capiira: it's a bad block |
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| 18:19.12 | capiira | hmmm |
| 18:19.34 | snowbird | how do i tell debian to get install scanner drivers |
| 18:19.57 | Gnu_Raiz | install sane if its supported |
| 18:20.08 | linux_jones | anybody? |
| 18:20.10 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | thanks abrotman, it seems like it is doing anything :D |
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| 18:20.21 | abrotman | !de |
| 18:20.21 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 18:20.58 | linux_jones | anybody? |
| 18:21.23 | pHySSiX-L4pt0p | thanks :) |
| 18:21.23 | valdyn | capiira: shred knows nothing about bad blocks, it just writes to file(s) |
| 18:21.23 | jetscreamer | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 18:21.23 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 18:21.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 18:21.37 | capiira | i want to use it on /dev/hda |
| 18:21.45 | valdyn | capiira: that's a file too |
| 18:21.51 | capiira | :) |
| 18:22.02 | linux_jones | how about for a radeon video card |
| 18:22.09 | jetscreamer | !ati |
| 18:22.09 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
| 18:22.58 | linux_jones | jetscreamer: is 9800 pro a newer card? |
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| 18:23.09 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 18:23.11 | stoned | eh |
| 18:23.12 | jetscreamer | don't think so |
| 18:23.13 | stoned | its kinda old |
| 18:23.25 | jetscreamer | just use the radeon driver iirc but i know nothing |
| 18:23.29 | stoned | like 5 years old at least |
| 18:23.31 | jetscreamer | stoned is an ati expert |
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| 18:23.39 | jetscreamer | ask him everything... |
| 18:23.44 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.48 | linux_jones | haha, thanks.... so stoned..... |
| 18:23.57 | linux_jones | we meet again |
| 18:24.02 | stoned | we do? |
| 18:24.08 | stoned | ok, nice to see you again |
| 18:24.15 | Gnu_Raiz | it all depends on the term new. |
| 18:24.20 | stoned | though I don't remember |
| 18:24.22 | linux_jones | i had the stupid big hard drive/old mother board problem |
| 18:24.26 | stoned | jetscreamer: hehe not an expert |
| 18:24.35 | snowbird | stoned u bored |
| 18:24.39 | stoned | not really |
| 18:24.43 | linux_jones | should this be giving me this much sass? |
| 18:24.45 | stoned | gotta go pickup my laundry in 10 minutes |
| 18:24.46 | snowbird | i got project |
| 18:24.55 | stoned | and then go to guitar center to buy some strings |
| 18:25.04 | snowbird | cool stoned |
| 18:25.04 | stoned | then I have to go eat lunch with my sister |
| 18:25.11 | stoned | i'll be back later this evening |
| 18:25.12 | snowbird | send sister here |
| 18:25.37 | snowbird | stoned i ahve hp scanjet 4100 sane wont find it on debian its in sane comptible list |
| 18:25.42 | jetscreamer | she's a dea agent |
| 18:25.49 | snowbird | we can maybe figure it out latter |
| 18:25.53 | jetscreamer | and martial arts expert |
| 18:26.01 | stoned | use hpoj or hpijs |
| 18:26.03 | stoned | one of those |
| 18:26.06 | stoned | !hpoj |
| 18:26.06 | snowbird | stoned it works else were i need to move it into debain room |
| 18:26.13 | stoned | !hpijs |
| 18:26.16 | stoned | wtf |
| 18:26.21 | snowbird | printer? |
| 18:26.22 | jetscreamer | linux.hp.com |
| 18:26.30 | snowbird | ok |
| 18:26.36 | snowbird | its a scanner |
| 18:26.42 | stoned | all drivers are there |
| 18:26.50 | stoned | first look around and read, ask us if something doesn't make sense |
| 18:26.51 | snowbird | kk il llok |
| 18:26.56 | snowbird | ty |
| 18:27.07 | Gnu_Raiz | you probably need hpijs or something like that installed. most hp, scanners, printers need one or both drivers. |
| 18:27.17 | stoned | !hp |
| 18:27.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hp is at http://www.hp.com/pressrel/jun99/21jun99g.htm, or *the* original brown sauce from 1889. See: http://www.higherdesign.com/brownsauce/hpsauce.htm. Hewlett Packard, maker of calculators and printers and computers and other silicon goodness |
| 18:27.29 | snowbird | i dont know |
| 18:27.42 | stoned | !info hpijs etch |
| 18:27.44 | dpkg | hpijs: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging - gs IJS driver (hpijs)), section text, is optional. Version: 2.6.10+1.6.10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 340 kB, Installed size: 708 kB |
| 18:27.49 | logd | so where i can find vol_id program ? |
| 18:27.56 | stoned | !info hpoj |
| 18:27.58 | dpkg | hpoj: (HP OfficeJet Linux driver (hpoj)), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.91-12+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 445 kB, Installed size: 1324 kB |
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| 18:28.17 | logd | !info vol_id |
| 18:28.27 | jetscreamer | you can just use uuid to generate a new one i think |
| 18:28.33 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 18:29.03 | Guinea_pig | hi |
| 18:29.15 | Guinea_pig | there's something I can't understand |
| 18:29.32 | stoned | women? |
| 18:29.41 | gimmal | anyone know of a sound-serve that would provide a dev/dsp kind of interface, such that would allow multiple apps to use it? |
| 18:29.41 | jetscreamer | finance? |
| 18:29.44 | stoned | yeh, all us men are in the same boat as you. |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | gimmal: modprobe snd_pcm_oss .. and then use dmix |
| 18:30.07 | abrotman | dunno .. Guinea_pig has a good grasp of suspense though |
| 18:30.10 | stoned | gimmal: umm.. dmix maybe |
| 18:30.15 | stoned | !dmix |
| 18:30.15 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 18:30.20 | Guinea_pig | When I set my HP flat-panel with a 1440x900 setting , result is very dirty under etch32 bit |
| 18:30.22 | gimmal | fsking creative doesn't support their x-fi cards on linux, *still*, so I'm having to use on-board audio, the support for which doesn't allow multiple device connections on the audio-output |
| 18:30.37 | gimmal | abrotman: oss, eeek, hehe |
| 18:30.41 | stoned | gimmal: look at dmix it might be what you want |
| 18:30.46 | stoned | if i understnad you correctly |
| 18:30.47 | abrotman | you asked! |
| 18:30.48 | Guinea_pig | nevertheless a debain-amd64 works with no problem |
| 18:30.57 | stoned | dude amd64 beats donky ass |
| 18:30.57 | gimmal | danke, folks, will look into dmix |
| 18:30.57 | Guinea_pig | ? |
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| 18:31.15 | gimmal | dpkg: wer ist dmix? |
| 18:31.23 | stoned | !de |
| 18:31.24 | dpkg | it has been said that de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 18:31.45 | gimmal | heh, I barely speak german -- ein bissien |
| 18:31.48 | stoned | gimmal: dmix is enabled by default on alsa >0.9.1 |
| 18:31.49 | stoned | I think |
| 18:31.52 | gimmal | just for fun, generally |
| 18:31.55 | stoned | gimmal: oh hah |
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| 18:32.04 | gimmal | stoned: hm; no dmix command is available to my ordinary user, atm |
| 18:32.06 | Guinea_pig | ein bißchen |
| 18:32.07 | snowbird | no luck stoned looking imposible |
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| 18:32.12 | stoned | its not a command |
| 18:32.14 | stoned | ;0 |
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| 18:32.21 | stoned | oh shit |
| 18:32.23 | stoned | laundry |
| 18:32.24 | stoned | bbl |
| 18:32.31 | gimmal | stoned: ahah; what might there be for a command-line interface on it? on dmix? anyone? |
| 18:32.40 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 18:32.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 18:32.59 | METO | i have broblem with Debian etch stable |
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| 18:33.09 | METO | it wo'nt boot with sata hard |
| 18:33.33 | METO | i have broblem with Debian etch stable |
| 18:33.33 | METO | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.33 | METO | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.49 | Coweater | you got an error? |
| 18:34.04 | snowbird | shows up in device manajour |
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| 18:34.10 | snowbird | let me try someting |
| 18:34.11 | abrotman | METO: which controller ? |
| 18:34.18 | jetscreamer | how many |
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| 18:38.02 | dell_lin | where is temp file of firefox store |
| 18:38.04 | dell_lin | i am evaluating one anti-virus for linux how to do i check it can detect new virus which are come from web |
| 18:38.26 | jetscreamer | under ~/.mozillasomething i think |
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| 18:41.09 | dell_lin | ok |
| 18:41.18 | abrotman | we have iceweasel |
| 18:41.50 | jetscreamer | it's still under .mozilla here |
| 18:42.13 | yangx | I upgraded the processor to core2duo and replaced previous linux kernel -k7 with -686. Now it ends in kernel panic error http://paste.debian.net/34918 |
| 18:42.27 | jetscreamer | ok well use the other one |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | hda1 ? |
| 18:42.49 | jetscreamer | you want the amd64 one i think |
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| 18:43.28 | jetscreamer | it's like a generic 64bit one but i'm not up on it |
| 18:43.37 | yangx | abrotman: the root filesystem was previously on /dev/hda1 |
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| 18:45.33 | alexweb | hi. anybody tried jabbin? can't get it to work. help needed |
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| 18:49.17 | m^3 | hey guys - need literature for encrypting -- where to start? |
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| 18:51.33 | snowbird | how do i start sane |
| 18:51.54 | abrotman | m^3: encrypting what? |
| 18:52.29 | Apachez | any specific type of encryption? |
| 18:54.16 | m^3 | abrotman: I like to encrypt data-streams - |
| 18:54.16 | Apachez | hmm by the way |
| 18:54.29 | Apachez | any drawbacks of having 0% reserved blocks for a partition ? |
| 18:54.57 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 18:55.07 | abrotman | m^3: from where to where ? |
| 18:55.15 | Apachez | because 5% on a 500GB drive seems a bit, wasted :P |
| 18:55.18 | m^3 | I think about something similar to ssh |
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| 18:57.17 | stoned | omygod |
| 18:57.26 | stoned | i just did my laundry came home and my mom called |
| 18:57.31 | stoned | now I'm getting a lectur eon marriaged |
| 18:57.33 | stoned | fuck man |
| 18:57.34 | stoned | :( |
| 18:57.42 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 18:57.48 | jetscreamer | a married stoned |
| 18:57.55 | stoned | 'ey! |
| 18:58.08 | stoned | >:] |
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| 19:00.09 | snowbird | stoned shows up in dev man no way to get it to scan how can in shell tell it to look for scanner |
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| 19:06.49 | nivanson | Hi, (using a laptop) if I connect an external monitor I get some kind of clone-screen (just as I want). However the screen just flimmers as if the sync values were incorrect. It doesn't matter if I set the correct values either. It is a TFT screen and it can handle the resolution it is given. |
| 19:07.22 | xand | what's the name of the program that shows you the codes generated when you press keys? |
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| 19:07.30 | jetscreamer | xev? |
| 19:08.00 | jetscreamer | nivanson: what gpu and how is xorg.conf configured |
| 19:08.03 | xand | similar to that, but not quite |
| 19:08.31 | nivanson | jetscreamer: GMA950 and xorg is standard setup (external was not inserted when i configured) |
| 19:08.38 | hark | showkeys |
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| 19:08.54 | jetscreamer | what is a gma950 |
| 19:08.58 | nivanson | intel |
| 19:09.05 | xand | hm |
| 19:09.12 | Apachez | intel built in graphics |
| 19:09.20 | logd | hi, when i compile the kernel module snd-ca0106 is built within, how do i pass it options -? |
| 19:09.27 | Apachez | good for 2d, bad for 3d, in short :) |
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| 19:09.32 | nivanson | jetscreamer: I also tried to set the correct sync values. It doesnt affect the external screen. And the main screen will however change into using 1680x1050 as the external screen wants when i hook it in |
| 19:09.45 | nivanson | the laptop screen is just made for 1440x900 so i dont have full screen there now hehe |
| 19:09.49 | jetscreamer | i heard you have to explicitly install 915resolution, but i know nothing and i'm sure it's been fixed... |
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| 19:10.19 | xand | xev doesn't seem to know what key i'm pressing |
| 19:10.26 | nivanson | I am using the 810 driver as dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg suggested |
| 19:10.29 | bonii | I am in a Hostel where a lot of my friends use Windows Machines. I am using Debian Etch so can anyone tell me a software which lists who has shared on the lan which can help me out?? |
| 19:10.29 | xand | all the multimedia ones give the same output |
| 19:10.45 | jetscreamer | !info smb4k |
| 19:10.50 | dpkg | smb4k: (A Samba (SMB) share advanced browser for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1794 kB, Installed size: 3524 kB |
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| 19:11.26 | jetscreamer | !tell ptitatou -about root |
| 19:12.11 | jetscreamer | maybe your keymap is set to 104 or something but i know nothing |
| 19:12.34 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure console-data maybe ? |
| 19:12.47 | jetscreamer | or xserver-xorg |
| 19:12.58 | bonii | Can anyone suggest me some software which lists only those people who on the network are active and have shared something where the network has a lot of WINDOWS machines. I mean a lan scan kind of software which shows who has shared what |
| 19:13.04 | jetscreamer | i did |
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| 19:13.44 | ptitatou | jetscreamer : thks |
| 19:13.47 | jetscreamer | !tell bonii -about info smb4k |
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| 19:15.23 | xand | when I run showkey it says "Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console" [sic] |
| 19:15.29 | stoned | snowbird: when I setup my hp printer i'll let you know |
| 19:15.34 | stoned | I have not used an hp printer in ages |
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| 19:16.09 | snowbird | stoned i got it to be found |
| 19:16.14 | stoned | great |
| 19:16.14 | jetscreamer | i used a usb nomenclature i found in dmesg in cups setup instead of lpt1 and it worked |
| 19:16.21 | hark | xand: only in a vt :) |
| 19:16.23 | snowbird | i ran it came back fragmented error |
| 19:16.27 | jetscreamer | or parport something |
| 19:16.32 | snowbird | stoned sell me pritneeer |
| 19:16.46 | snowbird | not to shure waht that error is |
| 19:16.47 | xand | hark: oh... think there's an X program that does it too |
| 19:16.48 | hark | but if it doesn't show up in xev, it's probably not going to here |
| 19:16.53 | cr3 | in a shell script, how can I iterate over each line in a file? if I do "for i in `cat file`; do echo $i; done", then each space separated string in each line is output instead of each line |
| 19:17.08 | hark | xand: yeah, this is without X |
| 19:17.22 | jetscreamer | there are some multimedia keyboard kernel modules, but i'm not up on it |
| 19:17.25 | snowbird | stoned could be usb 1.0 isue? |
| 19:17.34 | stoned | I've no idea |
| 19:17.37 | aieldkjw | If you install Debian with encrypted LVM partitions, can those partitions later be resized if you know the password? |
| 19:17.43 | snowbird | iam in sane channel too |
| 19:17.48 | jetscreamer | cr3: you can also ask in #bash |
| 19:18.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm in london :) |
| 19:18.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm not |
| 19:18.06 | stoned | oh crap |
| 19:18.07 | xand | hark: the one I ran before tells you the name of key, including multimedia ones :S |
| 19:18.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i seriously like this place. i consider it |
| 19:18.12 | stoned | I still got soap in my ears |
| 19:18.13 | stoned | goddamit |
| 19:18.19 | abrotman | consider it what ? |
| 19:18.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: london, my place |
| 19:18.29 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 19:18.33 | cr3 | jetscreamer: good call, thanks! I actually found the answer though, I need to set IFS |
| 19:18.34 | abrotman | you're not english |
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| 19:19.33 | xand | you don't have to be english to live in the uk |
| 19:19.40 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 19:19.54 | jetscreamer | everybody lives at home everywhere in the world |
| 19:20.04 | xand | just EUish |
| 19:20.10 | snowbird | stoned what hp scanner |
| 19:20.13 | snowbird | i mean pritner |
| 19:21.02 | jetscreamer | linux.hp.com |
| 19:21.09 | jetscreamer | did you even try? |
| 19:21.20 | snowbird | yes |
| 19:21.30 | jetscreamer | well if they can't help you... |
| 19:21.37 | jetscreamer | omg |
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| 19:21.44 | jetscreamer | you can do it! |
| 19:22.07 | snowbird | ok |
| 19:23.11 | xand | bath time! |
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| 19:24.23 | nivanson | How can I change resolution while running X11 if I have more than 1 given in my configuration? |
| 19:24.39 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 19:24.59 | nivanson | abrotman: Thank you! |
| 19:25.08 | jetscreamer | xrandr -s 1024x768 for instance |
| 19:26.23 | jetscreamer | there's also a gnome-xrandr or so |
| 19:26.28 | dondelelcaro | or xvidtune -next; if you don't have Xrandr |
| 19:27.04 | jetscreamer | ooo |
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| 19:36.49 | snowbird | bath once a month is good |
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| 19:37.02 | snowbird | thats for dog |
| 19:38.14 | snowbird | for some one 4 times day to feel clean |
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| 19:38.38 | logd | i get this error with modprobe FATAL: Error inserting snd_ca0106 (/lib/modules/2.6.22.3/kernel/sound/pci/ca0106/snd-ca0106.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
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| 19:41.32 | Apachez | hmm |
| 19:41.41 | Apachez | I noticed one "funny" thing with debian install |
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| 19:42.04 | Apachez | when you setup raid1 mirror, why doesnt the debian install use the raid1 during install ? |
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| 19:42.28 | mandhriah | hi |
| 19:42.31 | Apachez | it seems to only install everything on one disk and then I have to wait 2-3 hours while it will synch the 500GB between the drives |
| 19:42.37 | mandhriah | can some help me with apt? |
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| 19:42.52 | mandhriah | something strange has happened my installation of apt. |
| 19:43.04 | logd | i get this error with modprobe FATAL: Error inserting snd_ca0106 (/lib/modules/2.6.22.3/kernel/sound/pci/ca0106/snd-ca0106.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 19:43.23 | rsk | logd: kernel or gcc update recently? |
| 19:43.36 | rsk | logd: and did u see dmesg? |
| 19:43.43 | logd | yes kernel's 2.6.22.3 |
| 19:43.52 | logd | dmesg taints for unknown symbols |
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| 19:44.58 | rokra | someone know a packages to modify tcp headers? |
| 19:45.02 | mandhriah | when I run apt-get update or any other apt-get command nothing happens |
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| 19:45.17 | rsk | mandhriah: you need to do it as root |
| 19:45.25 | mandhriah | I am running it as root. |
| 19:45.44 | rsk | right, what's in your sources.list? |
| 19:45.45 | mandhriah | synaptic gives me a wierd error |
| 19:45.54 | rsk | what's the error? |
| 19:46.10 | mandhriah | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 19:46.14 | mandhriah | is my source.list |
| 19:46.31 | rsk | and did it stop working now or what? |
| 19:46.59 | mandhriah | files list file for package `lives' is missing final newline |
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| 19:50.04 | aieldkjw | I read in a magazine a while ago that there is a gui for apt that works really well, shows your searches and all the new packages, etc. Does anyone know what that application might be? |
| 19:50.10 | mandhriah | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:50.32 | mandhriah | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:50.33 | mandhriah | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:50.33 | mandhriah | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:50.33 | mandhriah | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 19:51.09 | aieldkjw | !paster bot |
| 19:51.09 | dpkg | bot: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 19:52.08 | mandhriah | sorry about the above post. |
| 19:52.34 | mandhriah | those are the errors I get when I start synaptic |
| 19:52.34 | ootput | really? |
| 19:52.51 | mandhriah | yes wont happen again. |
| 19:52.57 | mandhriah | sorry! |
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| 19:53.42 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 19:53.42 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 19:54.17 | dondelelcaro | mandhriah: you need to click on the update button in synaptic or run apt-get update. |
| 19:54.40 | jetscreamer | or fix your intarweb |
| 19:55.09 | mandhriah | can someone give me a good source.list file I could use. |
| 19:55.24 | mandhriah | I shall try clicking the update button. |
| 19:56.13 | mandhriah | do you mean I click the reload button. I do not see any update buttons. |
| 19:56.29 | abrotman | mandhriah: yours is fine .. apt-get update .. try again |
| 19:56.33 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 19:56.57 | mandhriah | I shall try running apt-get update. |
| 19:57.32 | mandhriah | apt-get update did nothing |
| 19:57.36 | mandhriah | apt-get install vim |
| 19:57.39 | mandhriah | did nothing |
| 19:58.45 | Apachez | apt-get clean |
| 19:58.47 | Apachez | apt-get autoclean |
| 19:58.50 | Apachez | apt-get update |
| 19:58.52 | Apachez | dselect update |
| 19:58.55 | Apachez | apt-get install vim ? |
| 20:00.31 | abrotman | any other commands ? |
| 20:00.41 | mandhriah | nothing happened |
| 20:00.46 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 20:00.46 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 20:00.51 | mandhriah | this is bizarre |
| 20:00.51 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 20:00.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about ... |
| 20:01.11 | Braindead | mandhriah: you're in the... TWILIGHT ZONE! /O/ whooo |
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| 20:01.29 | mandhriah | I know. It feels like it. |
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| 20:02.46 | romano2k | hi everyone! i know there's a "new" way to install nvidia drivers under debian |
| 20:02.55 | romano2k | i remember i've been told by dpkg a link |
| 20:03.01 | romano2k | how can i get this link please? |
| 20:03.07 | Braindead | romano2k: debian nvidia on google, feel lucky |
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| 20:03.23 | Braindead | ask TEH google kplsthnksbye |
| 20:03.27 | abrotman | !tell romano2k about nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:03.33 | romano2k | thank you abrotman |
| 20:03.33 | rapsys | hi |
| 20:03.42 | romano2k | that's what i was looking for |
| 20:03.44 | edistar | romano2k: what do you mean with a new way? |
| 20:03.45 | romano2k | *bookmarking* |
| 20:03.47 | mandhriah | for the apt-get problem I found this link http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12737.html |
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| 20:03.54 | rapsys | someone kno why i can't get busybox to start while initd booting ? |
| 20:04.08 | rapsys | i embeded a busybox in initrd but it fail to exec |
| 20:04.23 | rapsys | with an ERROR: unable to open /dev/console!!!!: 2 |
| 20:04.42 | o2T7 | Hi. Which is the simpler way of making mp3 from audio tracks without graphical tools? |
| 20:05.33 | edistar | o2T7: I would think mencoder? |
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| 20:06.03 | harlekin | o2T7: Today I tested abcde and it's great! |
| 20:06.37 | o2T7 | ok, will have a look to both of them. Thank You Two :) |
| 20:07.11 | abrotman | o2T7: jack is nice |
| 20:07.21 | abrotman | or easy i guess |
| 20:07.35 | o2T7 | let's see it too :). Thank You |
| 20:08.32 | rapsys | any idea why i get : ERROR opening /dev/console!!!!: 2 while trying to get a busybox in initrd ? |
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| 20:09.51 | Apachez | BENCHMARK(1000000,ENCODE("hello","goodbye")) in debian mysql 5.x amd64 takes 0.41s to complete when using ondemand as cpu governor and 0.36s when using performance as cpu governor |
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| 20:11.19 | logd | where debian stores its runinng kernel config? |
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| 20:11.36 | abrotman | /proc/config.gz or in /boot/ |
| 20:11.49 | logd | /proc/config.gz says no such file |
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| 20:12.23 | logd | and in boot there's only kernel image and initrd |
| 20:12.45 | abrotman | logd: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:12.59 | logd | ii libc6 2.5-9+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:13.04 | zms | Situation: installing using testing d-i (2.6.21-2) on RAID on LVM. Install has almost finished except that it defaulted to LILO and I suspect that it did not generate new initrd to boot from RAID+LVM. I started a shell and verified in /target/boot and new initrd wasn't there. I mounted /proc and bound /dev and chroot'ed to /target, and apt-got grub. |
| 20:13.12 | zms | Help needed: 1) "grub-install /dev/md0" complains "could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device." I am stumped. :( 2) mkinitramfs for new kernel (2.6.21-2-686) still looks for /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-486. How do I make it look for /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686? |
| 20:13.14 | JONY | I have recently updated Debian etch daily (from March) to Debian Etch Stable - the kernel changed too - but my root password is not recognized anymore - last time I used it was in Synaptic package manager - since then I cannot uuse root password - can anyone tell me what to do ? |
| 20:13.31 | abrotman | logd: uname -a .. which kenrel ? |
| 20:13.38 | abrotman | (i thouhgt debian used the /proc/config.gz) |
| 20:13.45 | logd | Linux Nosgoth 2.6.22.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Aug 15 22:44:52 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:13.51 | o2T7 | I get "[ERROR] abcde: lame is not in your path. |
| 20:13.52 | o2T7 | " |
| 20:14.07 | jetscreamer | !lame |
| 20:14.08 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:14.11 | o2T7 | But liblame0 is installed |
| 20:14.23 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 20:14.23 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 20:14.29 | abrotman | logd: ? |
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| 20:14.39 | logd | eh? |
| 20:14.42 | abrotman | logd: uname -a .. which kenrel ? |
| 20:14.49 | logd | Linux Nosgoth 2.6.22.3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Aug 15 22:44:52 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:15.02 | piko | Could anyone asvise some tool for displaying processes taking main part of RAM? |
| 20:15.09 | abrotman | logd: dpkg -l linux-image* .. get anything ? |
| 20:15.15 | abrotman | piko: top |
| 20:15.26 | piko | abrotman: does not seem to me reliable |
| 20:15.34 | logd | ii linux-image-2. 2.6.18.dfsg.1- Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
| 20:15.41 | abrotman | pikko: try sorting by RAM |
| 20:15.46 | abrotman | logd: that's it? |
| 20:15.47 | weeman | Im a noob and looking for some info regarding setting upp qpopper... trying to get a home-server working |
| 20:15.55 | dad | I'm on Etch a Pentium and 24MB! Icewm-lite. Used sysvconfig and the latest 486 kernel. Now what else can I do besides run lite apps to speed this up to at least what win98SE feels like with similar widgets? |
| 20:15.55 | abrotman | logd: so you compiled your own kernel ? |
| 20:15.59 | logd | yes |
| 20:16.03 | logd | and it works fine |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | logd: right .. then you should have your source tree and have a .config |
| 20:16.15 | logd | but i was compiling alsa to get support for midi |
| 20:16.26 | logd | and it don't passes modprove |
| 20:17.07 | JONY | abrotman: or anyone why roott password is not accepted after updating kernel (from Etch RC1 to Etch R ? |
| 20:17.23 | logd | (compilation goes fine - but at modprobe time it tains can't insert module) |
| 20:17.23 | piko | I would like to know how manz ram/swap is what process using. Top says it has approximately 60% use, but swap is nearlz filled |
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| 20:17.49 | abrotman | piko: paste the output of 'free' somewhere |
| 20:17.51 | o2T7 | fine, now lame is in place. Thank You |
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| 20:19.05 | logd | abrotman, so i was wondering whether i can check via kernel config files to see if alsa module that came built with kernel has sequencer option turned on |
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| 20:19.16 | abrotman | logd: where's your source tree .. the config is there |
| 20:19.27 | abrotman | debian compiled kernels keep a config in /boot/ |
| 20:19.31 | logd | yeh the .config's there |
| 20:19.34 | abrotman | erm .. debian packaged kernels |
| 20:19.46 | logd | but how do iknow about module config ? |
| 20:19.54 | abrotman | look in the .config from your tree |
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| 20:20.38 | logd | the only entry for snd-ca0106 is CONFIG_SND_CA0106=m |
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| 20:21.39 | piko | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/kNuXCk83.html |
| 20:22.11 | abrotman | piko: so run top .. and then hit 'm' |
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| 20:23.38 | logd | So does anyone may help me understand EITHER why modprobe snd-ca0106 says error inserting and dmesg taints for unknown symbols OR if there's a way to know how a module (what options) came built with ? |
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| 20:24.23 | piko | abrotman: ok, the memory info at the top seems to be good, but not dor each process |
| 20:24.38 | abrotman | !free |
| 20:24.38 | dpkg | free is probably defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 20:25.03 | piko | approximate sum of process does not give it |
| 20:25.07 | NicNac | free beer?!? where!! |
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| 20:25.10 | t0mas | hi! |
| 20:25.14 | piko | abrotman: and what? |
| 20:25.15 | Braindead | logd: you sure do realize that you're asking about a vanilla kernel you rolled up on your own without even using make-kpkg? it's a complicated mess that as almost no link with debian |
| 20:25.18 | t0mas | anybody here using monit and LVM? |
| 20:25.31 | t0mas | my Monit setup doesn't want to monitor an LVM disk :) |
| 20:25.42 | abrotman | piko: what's using all the emeory ? |
| 20:25.44 | abrotman | memory |
| 20:26.21 | logd | <Braindead>let's simplify it: doing the same with kernel 2.6.18 that came with debian on his own gives same result |
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| 20:26.38 | t0mas | it works fine for the normale rootfs.. but it reports "Data access error" on LVM devices |
| 20:26.41 | logd | so it doesn't matter if mine currently running's "my own creature" |
| 20:26.50 | piko | abrotman: not sure, there is kernel compilation, but it was bad also before. The problem is, that even if I terminate most memory-using processes swap remains still high |
| 20:27.21 | abrotman | piko: that'll happen .. it'll catch up eventually |
| 20:27.31 | logd | <Braindead>also what i asked for is whether someone experienced the same provblem and fixed it eitherway |
| 20:27.41 | Braindead | logd: let's semplify at the bare bones: your kernel, your shit. you didn't even compile /proc/config.gz support, how are we supposed to help you with such a complicated mess? |
| 20:28.00 | piko | abrotman: is there some way how to flush caches? or see what is happening/which process causes it? |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | it's probably more than one |
| 20:28.23 | logd | <Braindead>already said it - 2.6.18 ORIGINAL does the same , discard that now i'm using my own |
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| 20:30.07 | piko | abrotman: ok, so some tool saying this process uses memory extensively in the swap? |
| 20:30.24 | abrotman | top |
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| 20:31.14 | piko | abrotman: but it says nothing about swap |
| 20:31.37 | jetscreamer | free ? |
| 20:32.13 | piko | jetscreamer: says nothing about processes |
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| 20:33.09 | jetscreamer | just apt-get install * you're bound to get something |
| 20:33.10 | ruben | Hi, what is the way to write a DVD? growisofs does not work on debian? I have this error |
| 20:33.13 | ruben | file wrx-reof2.iso |
| 20:33.15 | ruben | growisofs -Z /dev/hdc=wrx-reof2.iso |
| 20:33.17 | ruben | :-[ PERFORM OPC failed with SK=2h/ASC=30h/ACQ=05h]: Wrong medium type; :-( media is not formatted or unsupported. |
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| 20:33.26 | piko | ruben: k3b? |
| 20:33.31 | ruben | growisofs |
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| 20:33.44 | valdyn | ruben: thats an error code created by your dvd drive |
| 20:33.44 | jetscreamer | did you format it |
| 20:33.58 | Pabl0Escobar | ruben: whay ask at #gentoo and #debian at the same time ? |
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| 20:34.32 | _tcc | Oh boy, I just made a bad mistake. I accidently removed a lot of the source to one of my current projects. |
| 20:34.38 | _tcc | I need some help recovering this. I know that my filesystem is ext3 and journalled. |
| 20:34.43 | _tcc | How can I recover the source? |
| 20:34.51 | valdyn | _tcc: restore from backup |
| 20:34.56 | ruben | Pabl0Escobar: I have the same issue with both |
| 20:35.07 | rsk | _tcc: in ext2 there is a undelete function.. not in ext3.. but maybe there is another way |
| 20:35.08 | ruben | works using ubuntu instead .. |
| 20:35.10 | abrotman | at the same time ? |
| 20:35.14 | ruben | yes |
| 20:35.19 | _tcc | valdyn, elaborate? |
| 20:35.32 | valdyn | !backup |
| 20:35.32 | dpkg | somebody said backup was something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use tar (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression) |
| 20:35.44 | jetscreamer | how does rm work.. just deletes the first letter like in dos? |
| 20:35.44 | ruben | abrotman: what are on both channels at the same time? |
| 20:35.47 | jetscreamer | hexedit |
| 20:36.03 | _tcc | Heh, I've still got the bytecode. |
| 20:36.08 | _tcc | Java. |
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| 20:37.04 | _tcc | Damnit. |
| 20:37.12 | valdyn | _tcc: stop any possible write access to the device, create a backup, ask an expert. More than likely alot will be lost |
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| 20:37.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | I set my Fonera with dd-wrt up to use WPA2 personal and connected to it, but now that I'm connected, I can't see any other device in the network or the Internet. Can anyone help me out please? |
| 20:38.10 | futlib | hi. I'm using lenny, but I cannot find a way to install nvidia-kernel-source. I added contrib and non-free, but it's still not available. am I missing something? |
| 20:38.37 | valdyn | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 20:38.37 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 20:38.42 | Greyscale__ | How can I repair my MBP to allow me out of windowsia into the republic of linux? |
| 20:39.08 | zms | grub does not boot off LVM? |
| 20:39.53 | futlib | valdyn: okay thanks |
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| 20:43.05 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 maybe |
| 20:44.36 | obsethryl | guys, has anyone done any experiments with different chunksizes for raid5 and raid6 |
| 20:45.35 | obsethryl | i have done my usual google research, but i have not concluded on what is best for now (though i am leaning towards 256K) |
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| 20:46.04 | Apachez | ehm |
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| 20:46.15 | Apachez | raid6 is just raid5 with an extra checksum area |
| 20:46.24 | Apachez | so intead of having one checksum there are two checksums |
| 20:47.12 | Apachez | like raid5 with 4 disks means 3 disks stores data while the 4th has the checksum (and this is roundrobin so its not a dedicated disk for the checksums, its circulating around) |
| 20:47.29 | Apachez | while raid6 with 4 disks means 2 disks stores data while 2 disks stores checksum |
| 20:47.52 | Apachez | or say 10 disks... raid5: 9 disks data + 1 disk checksum raid6: 8 disks data + 2 disks checksum |
| 20:48.17 | NicNac | raid makes me think of ram raiding |
| 20:48.22 | NicNac | I'm strange :P |
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| 20:48.51 | obsethryl | Apachez: yes, if 2 drives fail though it still works |
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| 20:49.07 | NicNac | Is raid really useful for everyday users? |
| 20:49.08 | obsethryl | my issue has more to do with picking up the right chunksize |
| 20:49.16 | obsethryl | i am not the everyday user :) |
| 20:49.23 | NicNac | I've never bothered with it myself |
| 20:49.25 | Apachez | NicNac: depends |
| 20:49.45 | Apachez | raid5 with 3 disks brings you an array which is the size of 2 disks and fault tolerant so 1 disk can die and the array will still function |
| 20:50.01 | obsethryl | the problem starts when the disks in the raid5 increase |
| 20:50.06 | Apachez | like having 3x 1TB disks raid5 will bring you a 2TB storage |
| 20:50.07 | obsethryl | the higher the number of disks |
| 20:50.21 | obsethryl | the more likely to have an major breakdown |
| 20:50.30 | Apachez | yup |
| 20:50.33 | NicNac | I'd settle for 1tb :P |
| 20:50.33 | obsethryl | so i read that up to 23TB raid6 is more reliable then raid5 |
| 20:50.46 | Apachez | but if you have say 10 disks then you would probably go for raid10 or so |
| 20:50.53 | Apachez | mirrored stripes |
| 20:50.59 | obsethryl | or raid60 |
| 20:51.06 | Apachez | which is raid60? |
| 20:51.12 | abrotman | doesn't pretty much every raid fail at 2 drives dead ? |
| 20:51.14 | NicNac | how many types of raid are there? |
| 20:51.21 | abrotman | !raid |
| 20:51.21 | dpkg | raid is probably Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 20:51.21 | Apachez | to many :P |
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| 20:51.43 | obsethryl | NicNac: http://dorm.tunkeymicket.com/raidcalc/ |
| 20:51.45 | obsethryl | here |
| 20:51.45 | Apachez | there is also matrix raid |
| 20:51.54 | Apachez | which is somewhat funny, functions like software raid |
| 20:51.55 | NicNac | cheers :( |
| 20:52.00 | NicNac | err :) |
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| 20:52.12 | Apachez | meaning you can have one disk... but the same disk can act both as raid0 and as raid5 and as raid1 :P |
| 20:52.14 | obsethryl | anyway i am to use XFS + raid5 or raid6 here |
| 20:52.19 | widrone | Is it possible to find the excact filesize of one file in a package? Cant seem to figure this out today. |
| 20:52.26 | zms | I am also going for RAID 1 for important and system files |
| 20:52.32 | obsethryl | Apachez: have you played around with chunksizes? |
| 20:52.49 | zms | to protect against drive failure and RAID 0 for rest for performance. |
| 20:53.00 | zms | on two drives only |
| 20:53.17 | abrotman | raid0 is useless |
| 20:53.22 | Apachez | no not much |
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| 20:53.34 | Apachez | I found some intel paper of different chunksizes yesterday |
| 20:53.38 | Apachez | but I have lost the url |
| 20:53.44 | obsethryl | Apachez: i have them on paper |
| 20:53.47 | obsethryl | someplace |
| 20:53.47 | Apachez | basically they went for 32kb vs 64kb |
| 20:53.48 | obsethryl | :S |
| 20:54.04 | Apachez | and said that 32kb was good for something while 64kb was optimal for something else |
| 20:54.14 | zms | abrotman: why? I understand if any of the drive fails I lose everything but while they work, I gain performance. Is that incorrect? |
| 20:54.22 | Apachez | but I have a goldfish memory and so does my browser obviously so I have no idea of the url :( |
| 20:54.30 | obsethryl | well, 128kb is fine for raid5/raid6 for proper synchronization it seems |
| 20:54.34 | abrotman | zms: the idea of raid is that you don't lose stuff |
| 20:54.40 | obsethryl | Apachez: lol |
| 20:54.53 | Apachez | itsn 128 too large ? |
| 20:55.05 | Apachez | tsn=isnt |
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| 20:55.39 | zms | abrotman: RAID0 does have performance gains for read intensive applications, right? |
| 20:55.44 | abrotman | so does raid1 |
| 20:56.07 | obsethryl | Apachez: it is, but it allows for better performance it seems |
| 20:56.09 | zms | abrotman: you mean RAID1 being useless? |
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| 20:56.15 | obsethryl | i need this for sets of huge files backups ecc |
| 20:56.16 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 20:57.37 | Apachez | raid0 is good if you dont care if the data gets lost |
| 20:57.43 | Apachez | like a scratchdisk for logprocessing |
| 20:57.50 | Apachez | the logs are still masters on the backuptapes |
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| 20:58.17 | Apachez | so if a disk gets lost you have just to redo the copy from backuptapes and restart the script for the logprocessing (like report or whatever) |
| 20:58.35 | Apachez | another situation where raid0 might be handy is if you ues ssd disks |
| 20:58.59 | Apachez | because each ssd disk is built in a raid0 fashion (or rather jbod but anyway) |
| 20:59.12 | zms | Apachez: yes. where you need performance even at the risk of losing all even a single disk. |
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| 21:00.40 | obsethryl | zms: performance is a relative issue; reliability must always come first imvho |
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| 21:02.05 | Apachez | obsethryl: sure, but many times the reliability, or rather redundancy is a non issue |
| 21:02.09 | obsethryl | ok lets see me doing some tests with the 256k chunksize |
| 21:02.12 | Apachez | like the case I brought up of processing logs |
| 21:02.38 | obsethryl | hmm yeah i get what you mean Apachez |
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| 21:05.19 | PriceChild | !ops LARAx[15f] is a spam on join bot |
| 21:05.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pricechild complains about: LARAx[15f] is a spam on join bot |
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| 21:05.41 | peterS | indeed, thanks PriceChild |
| 21:06.05 | PriceChild | np |
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| 21:06.23 | obsethryl | hi peterS |
| 21:06.42 | peterS | obsethryl. |
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| 21:07.13 | hackmiker | hi. I recently did a dist-upgrade (on lenny), and now only one application can use the sound device. before, multiple apps could make sounds. I'm not sure where this comes from, but I guess it has something to do with gstreamer and/or alsa |
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| 21:08.00 | hackmiker | sorry I pressed quit by mistake :) |
| 21:08.05 | troythetechguy | Hi. Does anyone know of a program in the repository that will tell me the specifics of my RAM - pc 100 or 133, high or low density, etc? |
| 21:08.17 | peterS | hackmiker: you're not addicted. you can quit any time you want to. |
| 21:08.38 | hackmiker | :P |
| 21:08.40 | hackmiker | any ideas? |
| 21:08.40 | peterS | troythetechguy: there is 'dmidecode', but there is also the computer model browser at crucial.com |
| 21:09.25 | peterS | troythetechguy: dmidecode may or may not give you enough information. the thing at crucial.com will tell you what your computer requires, if it's a store-bought pc as opposed to just buying a motherboard |
| 21:09.43 | troythetechguy | peterS, I think i'll try dmidecode becuae I installed different types throughout the years, and would like to know what I have. |
| 21:09.58 | peterS | troythetechguy: ah right. crucial.com only tells you what you need, not what you have |
| 21:10.16 | peterS | still, their information is pretty comprehensive, for what it is |
| 21:10.35 | troythetechguy | peterS, Someone told me about a program called CPU -Z, but I wanted to see if there was anything in the repository first. |
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| 21:14.54 | spx2 | i have problems using links2 -g with GMAIL |
| 21:14.56 | spx2 | what can i do ? |
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| 21:15.18 | peterS | does links2 -g support enough javascript for sites like that? I rather suspect not |
| 21:15.26 | hackmiker | use a normal browser sheesh |
| 21:15.36 | hackmiker | and i think gmail has a plain html version |
| 21:15.40 | peterS | I would guess you need to use a real graphical browser, rather than the graphical frontend to what is fundamentally a text browser |
| 21:16.17 | peterS | you can try epiphany, for what passes for lightweight (ha!) among the real graphical browsers |
| 21:16.22 | abrotman | w3m ? |
| 21:16.53 | lordrich | both with and without a proxy to make it more compatable |
| 21:17.16 | hackmiker | spx2: gmail supports smtp and stuff, why not use a regular mail client? |
| 21:17.33 | lordrich | and there are times when doing so is useful - everything in the office but the router had it's web traffic monitored |
| 21:17.49 | peterS | smtp is one thing, pop3 / imap4 is quite another. does gmail support the latter? |
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| 21:18.10 | lordrich | it supports pop3 on a weird port number |
| 21:18.21 | peterS | (the difference is that for a webmail service to support outgoing smtp doesn't really cut into their ad revenue) |
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| 21:18.56 | petemc | gmail does normal pop3 too |
| 21:19.02 | petemc | you just have to turn it on |
| 21:19.17 | peterS | ahh, see, I didn't know. I've chosen not to join the evil empire |
| 21:19.32 | ExxKA | Hey guys, im trying to install ruby gems packages, but the gems won't load.. Do you know why? I get a load error.. And yes I have installed ruby1.8-dev and zlibc. |
| 21:19.36 | petemc | i use gmail for domains, its handy |
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| 21:25.39 | piko | Could anyone advise how to change default compiler from i486 (celeron PIII) to i686? |
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| 21:26.36 | gimmal | anyone might know of a deb package manager that would let you browse a list of packages whose descriptions are tagged with a given tag (e.g. hardware::hamradio ) ? |
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| 21:27.01 | gimmal | a package manager app, anyway; starting to think that the sysadmin is the main package manager |
| 21:27.09 | peterS | gimmal: aptitude |
| 21:27.10 | piko | gimmal: apsistude? |
| 21:27.18 | piko | aptitude |
| 21:27.26 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 21:27.26 | dpkg | from memory, dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 21:27.28 | peterS | gimmal: see the 'Views / New Debtags browser' menu option |
| 21:27.32 | gimmal | hm, using aptitude, etch version, didn't see anything about tags in it |
| 21:27.34 | wfq | what is wrong with that for the crontab 16 22 * * * sh /home/home/cron.sh |
| 21:27.38 | gimmal | peterS: danke |
| 21:27.42 | peterS | jetscreamer: dselect has a tags browser now? |
| 21:27.48 | wfq | I am telling it to be executed at 22:16 everyday |
| 21:27.49 | abrotman | wfq: take out the . |
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| 21:28.06 | gimmal | you know, eterm really fuggles the ncurses output done with aptitude |
| 21:28.15 | qrck | abrotman: nope sir |
| 21:28.16 | Braindead | gimmal: aptitude search ~Gtag |
| 21:28.17 | peterS | wfq: no need for 'sh', /home/home/cron.sh is already run by a shell |
| 21:28.20 | abrotman | qrck: ? |
| 21:28.21 | piko | how to make gcc use 686 optimizations while compiler seems to be built for 486? |
| 21:28.23 | peterS | wfq: but it should work either way |
| 21:28.24 | qrck | abrotman: . stays |
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| 21:28.38 | abrotman | whatever |
| 21:28.40 | Braindead | gimmal: aptitude-doc really helps. |
| 21:28.42 | gimmal | heck, aterm doesn't do much better, with it |
| 21:28.47 | gimmal | the output from aptitude -- funny looking things |
| 21:28.49 | gimmal | danke all |
| 21:28.52 | wfq | peters,abrotman it is working either, sorry and thank you guys |
| 21:28.58 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:29.02 | qrck | ? |
| 21:29.03 | qrck | ?? |
| 21:29.05 | qrck | ??? |
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| 21:29.14 | qrck | funny ? |
| 21:29.34 | gimmal | funny looking characters, they are appearing on the aterm and eterm screen, when aptitude is running -- e.g. "a caret", appearing as if like a right-side border on the package desc. view |
| 21:29.54 | gimmal | it makes the aptitude menu look like dead carp, also |
| 21:30.18 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 21:30.38 | peterS | oh, the menu wasn't supposed to look like a dead carp? who knew |
| 21:31.15 | gimmal | works alright in plain xterm -- it's the border-drawing characters, being misinterpreted by the terminal emulator, or some shytte |
| 21:31.33 | Braindead | shitty font, in this case |
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| 21:32.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you'd be the only one :) |
| 21:32.24 | jetscreamer | that's ok |
| 21:32.31 | jetscreamer | everybody wanted clinton too |
| 21:32.54 | xingu | except monica |
| 21:32.58 | jetscreamer | true |
| 21:33.17 | gimmal | aptitude install debtags, doh hehe -- more stuff for the notes |
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| 21:33.57 | gimmal | 20 pages of flipping notes, so far, all nice and structured with OOo -- and that's just a flipping outline. There is a hell of a lot of ground to cover, to try to fully introduce the new user to debian |
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| 21:34.45 | root` | hi |
| 21:34.59 | jetscreamer | very original nick there dude |
| 21:35.14 | root` | yeah |
| 21:35.16 | amphi | heh |
| 21:35.20 | Braindead | meh |
| 21:35.24 | root` | what |
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| 21:35.48 | amphi | backticks never go out of style |
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| 21:35.51 | NicNac | what is hdb7 in the grub.lst is it 1,6? |
| 21:35.52 | kyevan | Has anyone used TiLP 2 on Debian Sid? |
| 21:35.53 | root` | hi |
| 21:36.13 | amphi | NicNac: sounds right |
| 21:36.17 | NicNac | danke :) |
| 21:36.49 | amphi | bitte |
| 21:37.04 | x_link | amphi: Hi man! |
| 21:37.11 | x_link | amphi: Everything alright? |
| 21:37.14 | amphi | ah, x_link |
| 21:37.26 | x_link | amphi: =) |
| 21:37.32 | gimmal | anyone's tried converting to devs? i mean, is it a hassle, or a smooth deal? |
| 21:37.36 | gimmal | er ... devfs |
| 21:37.45 | abrotman | there is no more devfs |
| 21:37.47 | gimmal | nothing like a typo where you just leave out the flipng chracter |
| 21:37.48 | amphi | x_link: sure, why wouldn't it be? ;) |
| 21:37.57 | gimmal | no more devfs? |
| 21:38.05 | amphi | gimmal: not for some time now |
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| 21:38.13 | gimmal | what was with the /dev/scsi/lun0.... or wth stuff under the debian installer's fs? |
| 21:38.21 | amphi | gimmal: perhaps you think of udev? |
| 21:38.22 | kyevan | Once you go dev, you don't go, um... mev? kev? nev? |
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| 21:38.39 | gimmal | amphi: could be, far as I know, hehehe |
| 21:38.58 | raqamy | how to use syslog to accept logging from remote host my local machine? |
| 21:39.12 | philll | nacht leute |
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| 21:41.54 | gimmal | wth "bokmaal" ? that's a tag, but in what language? |
| 21:42.26 | gimmal | maybe it's the name of a language -- right between "basque" and "brazillian" in the tags list |
| 21:42.51 | gimmal | imo, those tags should be named like language::brazilian ;0) |
| 21:42.55 | x_link | d |
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| 21:43.03 | x_link | amphi: Just asking =) |
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| 21:44.54 | RockerMONO | what's the package for Opera called? |
| 21:45.04 | rsk | there is no opera pacakge |
| 21:45.15 | RockerMONO | so how do i get opera then? |
| 21:45.15 | snowbird | rocko mono hello |
| 21:45.20 | snowbird | how are u doing |
| 21:45.21 | RockerMONO | hey snowbird |
| 21:45.23 | RockerMONO | good, you? |
| 21:45.26 | gimmal | don't look like there is one, in etch, yeah, not even an installer, fwiw |
| 21:45.29 | snowbird | great |
| 21:45.30 | rsk | RockerMONO: from opera.com |
| 21:45.34 | RockerMONO | mk then lol |
| 21:46.49 | Braindead | !opera apt |
| 21:46.50 | dpkg | check http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/841/?keyword=apt&platformID=7 |
| 21:46.54 | snowbird | rocker i ned pm |
| 21:47.04 | abrotman | and a dictionary |
| 21:47.21 | streuner | opera is tha crap |
| 21:47.25 | streuner | :-) |
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| 21:47.47 | streuner | use something which is open-source at least :-) |
| 21:48.07 | abrotman | streuner: unfortunately .. most of the OSS browsers kind of suck |
| 21:48.13 | abrotman | IMO anyways |
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| 21:48.35 | streuner | sure, but we want use open/free source :-) |
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| 21:49.03 | gimmal | it said "crop" |
| 21:49.20 | Braindead | everytime you use opera you make baby RMS heart bleed |
| 21:50.02 | RockerMONO | erm.... i'm using it for testing, chill out haha |
| 21:50.10 | streuner | i hope its NOT that HARD :- ), but RMS gave us an idea about freedom... |
| 21:50.30 | streuner | its up to you you want that or not :-) |
| 21:50.40 | gimmal | anyone knows a decent media-library manager for linux? btw, appreciating all the help, here |
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| 21:50.55 | RockerMONO | this is so i can test it without having to switch my keyboard, mouse, monitor, internet connection, and whole website over to another computer just to test it in oepra |
| 21:50.55 | gimmal | I'm spoilt by the MS vista media-player interface, honestly |
| 21:50.56 | RockerMONO | *opera |
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| 21:51.34 | gimmal | flipping disc-burner likes to spread files from the same disk all into separate, musician-specific directories, makes it a PITA to select all the files in an anthology kind of LP, when using only the filesystem |
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| 21:53.11 | slept | gimmal, what is a media library ? a player with database and cover pictures and so on ? |
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| 21:57.00 | hjb | hi. how can i tell apache2 to create new files for a special php application with a different group ownership? |
| 21:57.10 | gimmal | slept: in how I've got it set up, it's a portion of the filesystem, organized like so: {artist name}/{disk name}/{track name}.{format} but such that may be organized otherwise, by a "schmart" ID3-type-tag browsing app |
| 21:57.26 | wfq | wat is wrong with echo "hola" | mail -s "test" -c email1,email2 email1? |
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| 21:58.21 | hjb | the app is dokuwiki. right now it creates pages with gorup ww-data. but i want it to create files with group "dokuwiki" |
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| 22:00.13 | dem | does anyone know how can i display russian or other languages characters? the file manager does not show me the files containing characters in different languages? |
| 22:00.33 | Kjikaqawej | hjb: apache docs -> suexec |
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| 22:01.19 | hjb | Kjikaqawej ok, thanks, i'll look it up. |
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| 22:01.51 | RockerMONO | would a 6yo dell support 512MB of RAM without any issues? |
| 22:02.03 | dem | i guess so |
| 22:02.03 | abrotman | RockerMONO: do what ? |
| 22:02.11 | rsk | RockerMONO: probably |
| 22:02.13 | slept | gimmal, try amarok it comes with an (sql) database and you can sort for genere quality and so on ... might be a bit slow |
| 22:02.20 | Kjikaqawej | RockerMONO: it would probably support it |
| 22:02.25 | gimmal | slept: eeek; thanks hehe |
| 22:02.29 | RockerMONO | ok, just makin sure before i bother buying it =P |
| 22:02.32 | Kjikaqawej | RockerMONO: mine doesn't (not a dell, and older) |
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| 22:02.57 | Kjikaqawej | amarok does sqlite |
| 22:02.58 | RockerMONO | Kjikaqawej: ah yea, i had a 12yo computer that couldn't handle anything over 64MB, it only had 32MB =P |
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| 22:03.40 | dem | could anyone help me to display files that are containing characters from different languages, like russian? |
| 22:03.56 | hjb | Kjikaqawej I'm using libapache2-mod-php5. Will that suexec-thingy work for me? The doc is talking about cgi-programs |
| 22:03.57 | dem | the nautilus and other programs does not show me the files that contain different characters |
| 22:04.17 | Knorrie | hjb: no it will not |
| 22:04.20 | slept | dem, you might be missing fonts |
| 22:04.27 | itchi | dem: Did you been install these Russian locales? |
| 22:04.31 | Kjikaqawej | hjb: if it's a cgi, yes. it's meant for cgi. otherwise no |
| 22:04.42 | Knorrie | hjb: have a look at libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 22:04.45 | dem | yeah, i already did the dpkg reconfigure and selected the locales |
| 22:04.46 | hjb | Knorrie ok, so what options am i left with? |
| 22:05.00 | Kjikaqawej | what he just said ;) |
| 22:05.01 | itchi | dem: Then it may missing fonts |
| 22:05.07 | dem | how can i get the fonts? |
| 22:05.12 | RockerMONO | how do i figure out which version of Debian i'm using? |
| 22:05.21 | hjb | Knorrie Ohh, ok. I'll go for that. Sound good. |
| 22:05.30 | Kjikaqawej | !version |
| 22:05.31 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 22:05.31 | Knorrie | RockerMONO: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 22:05.37 | itchi | dem: Is that these cyrlic things? (or how it is called) |
| 22:05.50 | dem | yeah, and i got some files from french and turkish |
| 22:05.51 | Knorrie | hjb: i use it a lot, it'sok |
| 22:05.51 | slept | dem, apt-cache search xfonts russian |
| 22:06.03 | dem | slept: thanks, ill try right away |
| 22:06.31 | gimmal | isn't there something in GNOME that lets you change your window-manager "on the fly", without restarting the X session? |
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| 22:06.59 | itchi | dem: Try to do apt-cache search cyrillic |
| 22:07.17 | hjb | Knorrie is that package part of standerd debian? My aptitude doesn't find it :-/ |
| 22:07.24 | Knorrie | hjb: yes it is |
| 22:07.43 | itchi | dem: You want xfonts-cyrillic i guess |
| 22:08.13 | dem | itchi: yeah , i found a packaged named like that |
| 22:08.15 | Knorrie | hjb: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 22:08.19 | dem | itchi: not downloading |
| 22:08.34 | itchi | dem: now or not? |
| 22:08.39 | slept | gimmal, you can do : metacity --replace |
| 22:08.44 | hjb | Knorrie damn, it's not in testing :-@ |
| 22:08.48 | dem | itchi: do i have to restart the X? |
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| 22:08.55 | Knorrie | hjb: ew.. not? |
| 22:08.56 | dem | itchi : it downloaded since... |
| 22:08.57 | itchi | dem: I dunno about Russian stuff, honesty :-p Yes, i guess |
| 22:08.57 | slept | gimmal, if you want metacity |
| 22:09.00 | hjb | Knorrie Do you know why? |
| 22:09.06 | hjb | Knorrie Have they removed that? |
| 22:09.34 | hjb | Knorrie No, not |
| 22:09.35 | Knorrie | it's in unstable |
| 22:09.37 | gimmal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.45 | Knorrie | hjb: hm scary |
| 22:09.52 | Kjikaqawej | !why libapache2-mod-suphp is not in testing |
| 22:09.53 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-suphp is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 22:09.57 | hjb | Knorrie yeah, true. strange |
| 22:10.19 | hjb | Knorrie i'lll go for unstable then, i think |
| 22:10.24 | Knorrie | Kjikaqawej: cool |
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| 22:10.40 | abrotman | webserver on unstable huh .. |
| 22:10.47 | gimmal | slept: haha, thanks |
| 22:10.48 | hjb | !why libapache2-mod-suphp is not in testing |
| 22:10.48 | Knorrie | o/ |
| 22:10.49 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-suphp is not in testing for the reasons list in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 22:11.03 | Kjikaqawej | ffs why id you trigger it again |
| 22:11.05 | Kjikaqawej | did |
| 22:11.13 | Knorrie | abrotman: i was using suphp on sarge before... |
| 22:11.14 | Kjikaqawej | spamitude |
| 22:11.18 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: take a guess |
| 22:11.18 | itchi | Cause he not yet know how to scroll up :-p |
| 22:11.27 | abrotman | Knorrie: webserver on unstable ? |
| 22:11.34 | Knorrie | no |
| 22:11.34 | hjb | huhh. thant buggy |
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| 22:12.00 | gimmal | alsaplayer's synaescope is purrty |
| 22:12.09 | Knorrie | abrotman: it's in oldstable/sarge |
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| 22:13.05 | hjb | I'll try suphp tomorrow |
| 22:13.16 | dem | still got the problem, even after installing the cyrillic fonts... |
| 22:13.25 | hjb | n8 everyone and thanks for pointers ;) |
| 22:13.32 | Kjikaqawej | -> |
| 22:13.33 | Knorrie | hjb: nn |
| 22:13.39 | Kjikaqawej | g'night |
| 22:13.45 | itchi | dem: Then you may need some other fonts, but i dunno exactly wich one :-s |
| 22:13.57 | itchi | dem: It shows correctly in the console? |
| 22:14.04 | dem | itchi : let me check |
| 22:14.40 | taime1 | rage pro 128 or nforce2? |
| 22:15.01 | dem | itchi: no it doesnt... I can see the files when I look in Windows... |
| 22:15.08 | gimmal | FOSS fscking rocks |
| 22:15.13 | dem | but still cant get them shown in Debian |
| 22:15.20 | Knorrie | abrotman: suphp was the only way i ever managed to support php usage on virtual hosting while not running everything as www-data |
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| 22:15.35 | dem | the console does not show the files either |
| 22:15.38 | itchi | dem: Yeah, it won't work in MS to without the fonts heh ;-) |
| 22:15.43 | dem | hahaha |
| 22:15.58 | dem | itchi: it's fun, but didnt solved my problem ahaha |
| 22:16.13 | dem | itchi: would reconfiguring work, after installing the fonts, again? |
| 22:16.15 | itchi | dem: Is console-cyrillic installed? dpkg -l console-cyrillic |
| 22:16.38 | dem | no |
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| 22:17.17 | itchi | dem: Maybe install these too |
| 22:17.27 | dem | itchi: right away |
| 22:17.39 | itchi | dem: And then look again if it works in the console |
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| 22:18.25 | RockerMONO | how do i untar a tar.gz file? >.> |
| 22:18.25 | streuner | !tar |
| 22:18.25 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 22:18.32 | RockerMONO | :) thanks |
| 22:18.36 | itchi | RockerMONO: Use 'unp' if you are lazy ;-) |
| 22:18.41 | RockerMONO | unp?... |
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| 22:18.49 | itchi | RockerMONO: Take a look to that package maybe |
| 22:19.07 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
| 22:19.18 | RockerMONO | hello nootoyahora |
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| 22:19.50 | dem | itchi: it asks me to select which russian keyboard layout i want to use after boot |
| 22:19.57 | screwball | rockomono |
| 22:20.02 | dem | itchi: i want to see files, not write in russian :P |
| 22:20.15 | RockerMONO | hey screwball |
| 22:20.17 | itchi | dem: Use you own |
| 22:20.23 | itchi | your* |
| 22:20.23 | nootoyahora | I'm having trouble using my new bluetooth mobile phone weith debian (testing) the problem is with the bluetooth-applet of gnome, that does not run, so there is no passkey manager... the doc about this is outdated and in the lists I have found nothing.... anybody can help me? |
| 22:20.30 | dem | itchi: |
| 22:20.36 | screwball | iam snowball my pc dumped me |
| 22:20.38 | Kjikaqawej | itchi, dem: that's why you read package descriptions... |
| 22:20.38 | abrotman | !bluetooth |
| 22:20.39 | dpkg | i guess bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 22:20.41 | dem | itchi: it doesnt list my own (english) in list |
| 22:20.45 | abrotman | and bluetooth sucks :) |
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| 22:21.06 | dem | Kjikaqawej: nice way to help man... |
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| 22:21.31 | Kjikaqawej | dem: ,.|.. |
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| 22:21.47 | itchi | Kjikaqawej: Yeah, sure |
| 22:21.57 | haxality | hi, I'm trying to play an mp4 file with mplayer and it won't display properly. |
| 22:22.13 | itchi | "This package provides Cyrillic support on the Linux console with great number of customizations: ..." |
| 22:22.17 | Kjikaqawej | installing random packages... you install the proper font, and keyboard layouts.. |
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| 22:22.27 | themill | !mp4 player |
| 22:22.27 | dpkg | does not exist for linux |
| 22:22.29 | Kjikaqawej | er, not keyboard layouts |
| 22:22.44 | dem | Kjikaqawej: and yes i did not installed it... |
| 22:22.46 | RockerMONO | haxality: mp4 is a closed format i believe |
| 22:22.55 | haxality | yeah.. but I know it's possible to play on linux |
| 22:22.58 | dem | Kjikaqawej: I am not dumb, just new to this stuff |
| 22:22.58 | nootoyahora | aaabrotmanI have two pc's with two usb dongles an dthey are working, and the problemo is with the pairing man, becuause there si no passkey manager (do you know waht i'm talking abouta t least?) |
| 22:22.59 | haxality | there's a plugin for xmms, even |
| 22:23.00 | Danet | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.08 | Danet | oops |
| 22:23.18 | haxality | hmm.. I will continue googling though |
| 22:23.23 | themill | dpkg, yeah right |
| 22:23.24 | dpkg | You don't believe me? You don't fucking believe me?! BELIEVE, BIATCH! |
| 22:23.24 | haxality | thanks for the help in any case |
| 22:23.27 | peterS | what does mp4 mean, anyway? |
| 22:23.31 | haxality | mpeg layer 4 |
| 22:23.38 | peterS | mp3 means mpeg 1 layer 3, is there an mpeg 1 layer 4? |
| 22:23.43 | peterS | or does mp4 just mean mpeg 4? |
| 22:23.46 | itchi | Kjikaqawej: Random? Do you know what random mean? And (trying) to debugging/figure out what is missing ? It are fonts, heh |
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| 22:23.50 | haxality | I think it means mpeg 4. |
| 22:23.54 | peterS | how confusing |
| 22:23.57 | Kjikaqawej | dem: get off your high horse and pretending you can read minds. all you need to view those cyrillic chars is a proper font |
| 22:24.04 | peterS | when I want to talk about an mpeg 4 file, I just say .mpg |
| 22:24.06 | themill | haxality: mp4 is a different standard again. it's a container format so it could contain anything. dpkg is lying there.... |
| 22:24.16 | peterS | though I suppose that gives even less information |
| 22:24.20 | Kjikaqawej | itchi: yeh, and it isn't hard |
| 22:24.26 | themill | peterS: mpg is often mpeg-2 |
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| 22:24.36 | peterS | themill: and often mpeg 1 |
| 22:24.36 | dem | Kjikaqawej: I already installed the cyrillic font package... |
| 22:24.43 | themill | *not* |
| 22:24.47 | themill | *nod* |
| 22:24.49 | themill | *sigh* |
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| 22:24.50 | dem | Kjikaqawej: but it still does not display the files ok? |
| 22:24.51 | haxality | themill, that's about what I figured |
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| 22:24.52 | Kjikaqawej | so use it. installing it doesn't mean it's active |
| 22:25.07 | dem | Kjikaqawej: ok, so how do i activate that stuff? |
| 22:25.08 | Kjikaqawej | you need to configure your console to *use* the font |
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| 22:25.24 | slept | dem you have to restart the xserver or login again or just start bash agian |
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| 22:25.28 | Kjikaqawej | sec, i'll get you the file |
| 22:25.35 | shark | how can i get kernel source files? i tried to install a driver and it says they're missing |
| 22:25.37 | dem | slept: already restarted the x |
| 22:25.44 | slept | hmm |
| 22:25.51 | Kjikaqawej | /etc/console-tools/config |
| 22:25.55 | themill | haxality: faad can handle mp4 audio (aka m4a) perhaps that's a lead for you.... |
| 22:25.57 | Kjikaqawej | dem: ^^^ |
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| 22:26.14 | snowbird | ao hello the mill |
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| 22:26.24 | snowbird | whats blue tooth advantage? |
| 22:26.35 | haxality | themill, any lead is better than no lead, man. |
| 22:26.43 | themill | haxality: if you work something out, please come back and tell us and we'll get dpkg to say something more useful than that! |
| 22:26.57 | haxality | will do. |
| 22:26.59 | Kjikaqawej | e.g.: SCREEN_FONT=LatArCyrHeb-16 |
| 22:27.13 | Kjikaqawej | dem, itchi: ^^^ |
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| 22:27.37 | Kjikaqawej | and you don't have to restart X to have the console font change... |
| 22:27.44 | snowbird | is blue tooth better than g? |
| 22:27.53 | dem | Kjikaqawej: after doing this change, will I be still type in latin characters? |
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| 22:28.09 | shark | can i get a binary file of kernel 2.6.22 for debian? |
| 22:28.10 | Kjikaqawej | of course. you're only CHANGING THE FONT |
| 22:28.31 | abrotman | shark: there are .22 packages in unstable |
| 22:28.37 | nootoyahora | abrotman, well, it did not work (as i supossed) |
| 22:28.58 | Kjikaqawej | that particular font supports latin cyrillic hebrew, as the name implies |
| 22:29.22 | Kjikaqawej | itchi: /whois me |
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| 22:29.37 | shark | abrotman: unstable means there is a chance i will mess up my system? |
| 22:29.55 | peterS | shark: any time you use a newer kernel you run that risk, though |
| 22:30.13 | abrotman | shark: what's wrong with the kernel you have ? |
| 22:30.45 | itchi | Kjikaqawej: Why did you change of name? :-p |
| 22:30.49 | peterS | shark: if you want to run stable and kernel 2.6.21 you can get that from backports.org. but there's no such thing as a kernel upgrade that doesn't risk breaking things |
| 22:30.54 | shark | abrotman: i try 2 install drivers for my graphics card, and it says it cant find kernel source files |
| 22:31.01 | abrotman | shark: which card ? |
| 22:31.24 | abrotman | shark: and which kernel do you have now ? |
| 22:31.25 | shark | abrotman: Geforce2 MX... quite old ^^ |
| 22:31.34 | shark | abrotman: 2.6.18 |
| 22:31.43 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:31.43 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 22:31.55 | peterS | hey, I loved the geforce 2, you could get 144x72 VGA text mode on that thing if you spent enough time tweaking /etc/TextConfig |
| 22:31.57 | snowbird | well i can't get scanenr to work on debian >sad |
| 22:32.03 | Kjikaqawej | itchi: i switch back and forth ;) |
| 22:32.11 | peterS | (without the performance hit of using a kernel framebuffer) |
| 22:32.12 | dem | Kjikaqawej: still cant see the damn files |
| 22:32.33 | Kjikaqawej | dem: you're not done yet; you need to set up the console again. sec |
| 22:32.52 | dem | Kjikaqawej: btw, thanks for the help, at least I get to learn some stuff |
| 22:33.06 | dem | itchi: you too man |
| 22:33.25 | slept | I am looking for a ms pacman clone with wich it is possible that the screen flips over such that 2 players can sit on two sides of the screen/table ... any idea how to google that with less words is fine aswell |
| 22:33.32 | Kjikaqawej | dem run this as root/as sudo: /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh start |
| 22:33.46 | itchi | Kjikaqawej: After changing the /etc/console-tools/config should there need to be done somethings? A restart of what? |
| 22:33.49 | Kjikaqawej | dem: that'll get the font loaded |
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| 22:34.50 | dob1 | hi, why if i use qemu-img create image.img 2G it creates a file of 2mb and not 2GB ? i read the manual and the command seems correct |
| 22:34.57 | itchi | shark: There's a bug to install the nvidia driver right now |
| 22:35.14 | abrotman | itchi: in stable ? |
| 22:35.20 | itchi | shark: With the .21 |
| 22:35.25 | dem | Kjikaqawej: it said it loaded but still cant see... do I have to change all SCREEN_FONT_vc* files? |
| 22:35.32 | abrotman | itchi: then it doesn't relate to him |
| 22:35.55 | shark | itchi: it's ok, i remain with 18 for now |
| 22:36.04 | itchi | abrotman: I not really followed the whole conversation, i messed a bit my console here :-p |
| 22:36.30 | abrotman | itchi: no kidding .. fix your own problem first |
| 22:36.38 | shark | abrotman: i didn't get that "nvidia one liner" thing |
| 22:36.41 | ameyer | dob1: I strongly suspect that it's not a bug, it's a feature |
| 22:36.42 | itchi | abrotman: No probs, just some tests :-) |
| 22:36.47 | Kjikaqawej | dem: well depends how you've set up the font, if it's per vc, yes, you do, otherwise you can comment those out and use the global one (CONSOLE_FONT) |
| 22:37.03 | abrotman | !tell shark about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:37.14 | abrotman | shark: it has instructions on building an nvidia driver for your card |
| 22:37.15 | jazotic | dob1: only written sectors will use space |
| 22:37.18 | pingouin | when i want to write in : /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth, like echo 31 > /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth i got a message that tell me that the user is not allowed to do, but i'm ROOT when i do that, an ls -la /sys/block/sda/device/queue_depth tell me : -r--r--r-- 1 root root , so, do i have to chmod this ? or it's a kernel option to write to /sys ? |
| 22:37.25 | dob1 | jazotic: oh ok |
| 22:37.55 | ameyer | dob1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy-on-write |
| 22:38.09 | dob1 | thanks |
| 22:38.23 | itchi | slept: Try maybe on ♯#debian-games |
| 22:39.11 | ameyer | dob1: actually, that might not be the right link |
| 22:39.19 | dem | Kjikaqawej: still cant... |
| 22:39.23 | slept | itchi, debian pacman sucks ...I was more looking for how to say the fliping screen part |
| 22:39.26 | dem | Kjikaqawej: any more possibilities? |
| 22:39.31 | dob1 | ameyer: i notice it :) |
| 22:39.42 | dob1 | but it was interesting too |
| 22:39.43 | dob1 | :) |
| 22:39.47 | Kjikaqawej | dem: do you have your console set up for utf-8? this is rather essential for this to work |
| 22:39.49 | ameyer | dob1: I'm fairly certain it's by design though |
| 22:39.59 | dem | Kjikaqawej: how can i set it up? |
| 22:40.08 | Kjikaqawej | !unicode howto |
| 22:40.15 | Kjikaqawej | hm, sec ;) |
| 22:40.27 | abrotman | slept: i'd guess you want a MAME box |
| 22:40.43 | dem | Kjikaqawej: command not found, shall i search and download it? |
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| 22:41.18 | Kjikaqawej | dem: first you'll need to generate some UTF-8 locale; then you need to your shell set up the appropriate LC_ stuff (man locale) |
| 22:41.24 | slept | abrotman, kind of ... i wanted to build one myself |
| 22:41.24 | rellis | <3 debian |
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| 22:41.34 | Kjikaqawej | dem: what do you mean "command not found"? |
| 22:41.35 | shark | abrotman: thanks a lot, i am trying it now ^^ |
| 22:41.49 | dem | Kjikaqawej: when i tried the !unicode howto... wasnt that a command? |
| 22:41.52 | Kjikaqawej | dem: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 22:41.59 | Kjikaqawej | dem: yes but not for you |
| 22:42.03 | abrotman | slept: okay .. doesn't have much to do with debian i don't think |
| 22:42.19 | themill | Kjikaqawej: it's !utf-8 |
| 22:42.30 | slept | well i know but nobody in #pacman :) |
| 22:42.42 | Kjikaqawej | themill: thanks |
| 22:42.43 | abrotman | there's a #mame |
| 22:42.49 | Kjikaqawej | !utf-8 |
| 22:42.49 | dpkg | well, utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read /usr/share/doc/groff/README.Debian to fix garbled man pages. |
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| 22:42.56 | Carok | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.57 | Kjikaqawej | dem: ^^^ |
| 22:42.58 | Carok | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.59 | Carok | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.02 | Kjikaqawej | Carok: STFU |
| 22:43.03 | Carok | __________ |
| 22:43.03 | Carok | __________ H E I L |
| 22:43.04 | Carok | __________ H I T L E R |
| 22:43.06 | Carok | __________ |
| 22:43.10 | Carok | __________ |
| 22:43.11 | Kjikaqawej | !ops Carok spamming |
| 22:43.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kjikaqawej complains about: Carok spamming |
| 22:43.12 | Carok | __________ H E I L |
| 22:43.14 | Carok | __________ H I T L E R |
| 22:43.15 | snowbird | turkey |
| 22:43.16 | Carok | __________ |
| 22:43.18 | Carok | __________ |
| 22:43.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 22:43.19 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@76.Red-83-36-27.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] by peterS |
| 22:43.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 22:43.21 | abrotman | spanish nazis ? |
| 22:43.22 | peterS | thanks Kjikaqawej |
| 22:43.26 | Kjikaqawej | np |
| 22:43.32 | stoned | ahh boy |
| 22:43.34 | themill | ffs.... |
| 22:43.37 | stoned | I bought some new shoes |
| 22:43.38 | Kjikaqawej | effing neos... |
| 22:43.52 | stoned | then went to ruby tuesday, man that giant burguer kicked my ass |
| 22:43.59 | ameyer | Kjikaqawej: I wouldn't exactly call that spamming... |
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| 22:44.02 | stoned | had to dobby bag half of it |
| 22:44.04 | slept | abrotman, thanks |
| 22:44.22 | Kjikaqawej | ameyer: eh i know, more like hate speech |
| 22:44.44 | themill | first words you can think of when you go ops.... |
| 22:44.54 | Kjikaqawej | pretty much heh |
| 22:44.57 | mumbles | right dose anyone know a decent way to do content filtering on linux? |
| 22:44.59 | Kjikaqawej | afk |
| 22:45.02 | dem | Kjikaqawej: I select the utf-8 ones right, for the languages I want to display? |
| 22:45.10 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: hi |
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| 22:45.13 | abrotman | mumbles: filtering what kind of traffic ? |
| 22:45.43 | nootoyahora | i'm trying to connect with my mobile phone through bluettoth (i have it working for other things) but it does not work... anybody knows waht to do? |
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| 22:45.57 | mumbles | porn and such - a mate wants to give a laptop to his kid and wants some web filtering software on it |
| 22:46.10 | mumbles | ive been stuck on this for a few weeks |
| 22:46.10 | abrotman | http traffic |
| 22:46.13 | mumbles | yeh |
| 22:46.15 | abrotman | !info squid etch |
| 22:46.19 | dpkg | squid: (Internet Object Cache (WWW proxy cache)), section web, is optional. Version: 2.6.5-6 (etch), Packaged size: 638 kB, Installed size: 1608 kB |
| 22:46.28 | mumbles | ive tried dansgardian and squid together |
| 22:46.37 | mumbles | it decided to block eveything |
| 22:46.44 | abrotman | it shouldn't |
| 22:46.46 | Kjikaqawej | dem: usually the ones you expect to be using, like english, french, or whatever |
| 22:46.56 | Kjikaqawej | stoned: kwe kwe |
| 22:47.06 | stoned | Kjikaqawej: kya haal hai |
| 22:47.09 | stoned | :) |
| 22:47.09 | dem | Kjikaqawej: yeah i got the ones that i want, the ones with UTF-8 near them |
| 22:47.12 | Kjikaqawej | :) |
| 22:47.24 | stoned | my eyes are burning up when i close em |
| 22:47.32 | stoned | man amd64 kicks ass |
| 22:47.38 | Kjikaqawej | went out last night? |
| 22:47.38 | stoned | finally stable, kinda |
| 22:47.44 | stoned | no, today |
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| 22:47.52 | stoned | I bought 2 pairs of airwalks |
| 22:47.56 | pga | halp |
| 22:48.00 | stoned | ask |
| 22:48.07 | dem | Kjikaqawej: I set the en_US.UTF-8 for the default one... do I need to reconfigure something more? |
| 22:48.08 | stoned | and ye shall receive |
| 22:48.18 | pga | my laptop ceases to spew sound waves at resume |
| 22:48.28 | Kjikaqawej | dem: /msg dpkg tell me about utf-8 |
| 22:48.35 | Kjikaqawej | dem: it'll cover you |
| 22:48.38 | pga | apm --suspend causes all sound to stop working |
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| 22:48.59 | amphi | pga: try having your script modprobe -r your sound module[s] and modprobe 'em again on resume |
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| 22:49.25 | pga | amphi, tried that |
| 22:49.28 | pga | doesnt work |
| 22:49.33 | pga | well Hold on |
| 22:49.34 | Kjikaqawej | /etc/init.d/alsa suspend |
| 22:49.37 | pga | modprob -r? |
| 22:49.40 | Kjikaqawej | /etc/init.d/alsa suspend |
| 22:49.45 | Kjikaqawej | /etc/init.d/alsa resume |
| 22:49.52 | Kjikaqawej | ;) |
| 22:50.12 | amphi | Kjikaqawej: nice, I didn't know about that; but then my sound survives a swsusp |
| 22:50.15 | pga | Kjikaqawej, that just makes all sound into shite noise |
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| 22:50.39 | Kjikaqawej | pga: eh? |
| 22:50.50 | jazotic | hmm, debian menu gone in gnome - menu-xdg installed, lenny..? |
| 22:51.02 | pga | nothing but white noise come out of my speakers when I do that |
| 22:51.33 | rafaelfeito | !repository |
| 22:51.33 | dpkg | i heard debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 22:52.04 | pga | !sid |
| 22:52.04 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 22:52.16 | jetscreamer | zzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 22:52.23 | pga | i use sid occasionally for certain packages |
| 22:52.40 | pga | but why is it so unstable? |
| 22:52.51 | Kjikaqawej | ... |
| 22:52.52 | pga | !toy story |
| 22:52.52 | dpkg | methinks toy story is The release names for the Debian distribution are named after characters from "Toy Story", the computer-animated movie. buzz == 1.1, rex == 1.2, bo == 1.3, hamm == 2.0, slink == 2.1, potato == 2.2, woody == 3.0, sarge == 3.1, etch == ?.?, or ask me about "release history", or <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>, or sid used to be the version used for newly-ported arch'es, but now it's unstable |
| 22:53.05 | Kjikaqawej | !tell pga -about msg the bot |
| 22:53.17 | savetheWorld | sid may never be released but he escape every once in a while... |
| 22:53.22 | savetheWorld | *escapes |
| 22:53.38 | pga | Kjikaqawej, i know im bored tho |
| 22:53.47 | abrotman | pga: so try #debian-bots |
| 22:53.57 | nootoyahora | !info bluetooth |
| 22:53.59 | Kjikaqawej | i don't care, don't spam the chan with your boredom |
| 22:53.59 | dpkg | bluetooth: (Bluetooth stack utilities), section admin, is optional. Version: 3.13-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 22:53.59 | pga | ah cool >:] |
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| 22:54.12 | nootoyahora | !info bluez |
| 22:54.35 | pga | Bluez: a Zaurus based Bluetooth stack made for the ARM processor |
| 22:54.42 | abrotman | nootoyahora: /msg the bot |
| 22:54.49 | pga | commonly known as BlueZee |
| 22:55.01 | nootoyahora | abrotman, thanks (and sorry) |
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| 22:55.25 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:57.02 | snowbird | spam is in my pot with beans |
| 22:57.47 | Kjikaqawej | i hate spam... too salty |
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| 22:58.58 | peterS | ah but spam and mixed vegetables - the salt is diluted somewhat. like bacon and vegetables |
| 22:59.19 | pga | ok test. |
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| 22:59.35 | shark | msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 22:59.38 | pga | im going to modprobe -r snd_nm256 |
| 22:59.44 | abrotman | shark: /msg |
| 22:59.44 | pga | then suspend |
| 22:59.57 | pga | then resume and modprobe snd_nm256 |
| 23:00.00 | shark | abrotman: thx :) |
| 23:00.10 | pga | think that'll work? |
| 23:00.25 | snowbird | spam better than no food |
| 23:00.48 | Kjikaqawej | peterS: true 'nough |
| 23:00.55 | jazotic | snowbird: and you can win MILLIONS! ;) |
| 23:01.12 | Kjikaqawej | pga: try it |
| 23:01.31 | pga | FATAL: Module snd_nm256 is in use. |
| 23:01.36 | pga | daggit! |
| 23:02.06 | mumbles | my thoughts entiley |
| 23:02.12 | Kjikaqawej | /etc/init.d/alsa stop |
| 23:02.17 | Kjikaqawej | it'll unload it |
| 23:02.25 | themill | or at least tell you what is using it |
| 23:02.36 | pga | FATAL: Module snd_nm256 is in use. |
| 23:02.38 | jazotic | panel mixer? |
| 23:02.40 | Kjikaqawej | might need to do force or something (yes at the very least) |
| 23:02.56 | Kjikaqawej | force-unload |
| 23:02.58 | pga | and /etc/init.d/alsa returns Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume} |
| 23:03.00 | themill | the init script will normally tell you what is preventing a reload |
| 23:03.14 | pga | no stop |
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| 23:03.26 | jazotic | unlaod |
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| 23:03.40 | jazotic | unload or force- .. i mean.. |
| 23:03.41 | themill | best to use reload rather than unload, I htink. Not that there's no "load" or "start" method either |
| 23:03.58 | Kjikaqawej | seconded |
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| 23:04.47 | linuxwho | the latest updates for etch screwed up my nvidia drivers and vmware server, how would i fix this? |
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| 23:05.10 | abrotman | reinstall your nvidia drivers |
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| 23:05.56 | pga | uuaaagh |
| 23:06.00 | pga | now i get nothing |
| 23:06.01 | linuxwho | i dont know how to install from text |
| 23:06.18 | abrotman | how did you install them before ? |
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| 23:06.33 | linuxwho | automatix |
| 23:06.39 | pga | linuxwho, dpkg-reconfigure nvidia* |
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| 23:06.49 | abrotman | linuxwho: we don't support automatix |
| 23:06.50 | pga | automatix is made of shnap and fail |
| 23:07.12 | linuxwho | the etch update failed not automatix heh |
| 23:07.18 | abrotman | !tell linuxwho about nvidia one-liner |
| 23:07.24 | abrotman | linuxwho: no .. nvidia failed .. |
| 23:07.35 | peterS | automatix is that "non-free made easy!" thing, right? the one that is really "how to break your system"? |
| 23:07.44 | abrotman | peterS: yes |
| 23:07.49 | abrotman | !automatix |
| 23:07.49 | dpkg | Automatix is a Ubuntu Linux-only tool which allows a menu-driven installation of 44 different 'capabilities', including commercial closed source programs such as Flash plug-in, Acrobat Reader, w32 codecs (divx, mp3, wma), web core fonts as well as programming compilers and more. These items are not shipped with Ubuntu for legal or philosophical reasons. --Wikipedia |
| 23:07.50 | linuxwho | its never broken my system |
| 23:07.55 | abrotman | linuxwho: it just did |
| 23:08.09 | abrotman | if you had done the nvidia drivers the correct way .. you wouldn't behaving this issue |
| 23:08.39 | pga | linuxwho, ask #ubuntu |
| 23:08.41 | linuxwho | i doubt it |
| 23:08.44 | abrotman | or you'd at least have a better idea how to fix it |
| 23:08.51 | abrotman | instead of being up shit creek without a paddle |
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| 23:08.56 | linuxwho | new kernel probably whacked it out |
| 23:08.57 | adv4cate | behaving #ubuntu |
| 23:09.02 | abrotman | linuxwho: of course it did |
| 23:09.05 | themill | linuxwho: even the ubuntu people have come out and said that automatix is crap and people shouldn't use it. |
| 23:09.10 | pga | automatix is a security bug. Even Cannonical sez so |
| 23:09.16 | itchi | heh, that's written in python if i remember |
| 23:09.25 | linuxwho | so ubuntu dictates to debian now hehe |
| 23:09.43 | abrotman | right .. thought so |
| 23:09.55 | Kjikaqawej | maroon... |
| 23:10.00 | ricky | *sigh* |
| 23:10.58 | pga | itchi, bash acctually |
| 23:11.04 | pga | uugh |
| 23:11.26 | itchi | Nice, if you click on "Debian Etch Support" on that Automatix website, you get error :-s wtf |
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| 23:11.45 | pga | modprobe snd snd_* /etc/init/alsa reload gives me nothing |
| 23:12.01 | itchi | On another page ... "Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties." |
| 23:12.07 | itchi | :-p |
| 23:12.11 | themill | pga: exactly what command did you give? |
| 23:12.11 | Kjikaqawej | "Your System is not Approved by Automatix Update, please reinstall." |
| 23:12.18 | abrotman | itchi: it's unrelated to this channel |
| 23:12.28 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, sorry :-) |
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| 23:13.12 | jazotic | pga: before suspend remove (rmmod) snd modules ; check with lsmod ; after suspend reload (modprobe) them. |
| 23:13.26 | pga | themill, "modprobe snd; modprobe snd_nm256; modprobe snd_nm256_ac97; /etc/init.d/alsa reload" |
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| 23:13.31 | shark | abrotman: what should i do now? after dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:13.36 | shark | reboot? |
| 23:13.42 | itchi | shark: no |
| 23:13.44 | Kjikaqawej | !reboot |
| 23:13.45 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2 |
| 23:13.46 | itchi | shark: Restart x |
| 23:14.11 | shark | ok |
| 23:14.12 | ricky | ctrl-alt-backspace should restart X. |
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| 23:15.49 | jazotic | any idea about missing debian menu in gnome menu? |
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| 23:16.19 | abrotman | didn't it intentionally go away in sid ? |
| 23:16.23 | itchi | jazotic: Did you run update-menus ? |
| 23:16.32 | jazotic | itchi: jepp |
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| 23:16.45 | jazotic | abrotman: lenny |
| 23:16.56 | DustyBin | what procedure should i follow when installing svn source code on debian? at the moment im doing this: ./configure --prefix=/opt/mythtv make -n install | more make install is there anything else i could do to make it into a .deb package? |
| 23:16.59 | pga | imma restart |
| 23:17.01 | StarWars | any script to clean CPU memory ?? "Debian" |
| 23:17.02 | abrotman | jazotic: yes .. lenny too |
| 23:17.03 | pga | this makes no sense |
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| 23:17.11 | abrotman | StarWars: to do what? |
| 23:17.12 | Kjikaqawej | StarWars: o_O |
| 23:17.17 | abrotman | a toothbrush |
| 23:17.25 | jazotic | abrotman: that would explain. why? or where to find apps? |
| 23:17.27 | abrotman | jazotic: it's intentional |
| 23:17.30 | itchi | DustyBin: I use 'paco' for source installs |
| 23:17.34 | shark | abrotman: THANKS A LOT!!! i got tired of working in 640x480 resolution :-) |
| 23:17.36 | jazotic | abrotman: ok. |
| 23:17.38 | DustyBin | what is paco? |
| 23:17.51 | StarWars | abrotman hi. when he se a proces.php Run tu much CPU to clean. |
| 23:17.57 | itchi | DustyBin: Look on sourceforge ;-) |
| 23:18.07 | abrotman | StarWars: i'm not even going to try to figure out what you're trying to do |
| 23:18.12 | abrotman | DustyBin: pico ? |
| 23:18.13 | DustyBin | itchi do you make .deb out of your source installs? |
| 23:18.30 | itchi | DustyBin: That may be done, once installed. |
| 23:18.38 | themill | !tell DustyBin about nmg |
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| 23:18.47 | StarWars | any script to clean CPU memory ?? "Debian" from 99% to makem down to 10-20% ??? |
| 23:18.55 | themill | DustyBin: info about making .debs is in the new maintainers guide |
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| 23:19.03 | DustyBin | oh yes |
| 23:19.04 | Kjikaqawej | !free memory |
| 23:19.04 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 23:19.11 | StarWars | !cpu |
| 23:19.11 | dpkg | cpu is, like, (Central Processing Unit) Think of this as the brains of the computer. When most people think of processors, they think of Intel. The Pentium and Pentium Pro are CPUs. |
| 23:19.21 | DustyBin | http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 23:19.24 | itchi | DustyBin: Theres a way to create a deb directly. But i guess that you wanna install/uninstall it many times, if it's stuff from source. Or maybe should i need to find a nice automated .deb creator |
| 23:19.43 | Kjikaqawej | "clean CPU memory"? o_O |
| 23:20.07 | themill | StarWars: are you saying php scripts get killed because they run out of memory? |
| 23:20.38 | StarWars | themillYes. mu php script run to 99% CPU some times. |
| 23:20.46 | abrotman | fix your script |
| 23:21.00 | itchi | StarWars: Code it in English :-p |
| 23:21.04 | themill | StarWars: is it insufficient memory or using too much cpu? |
| 23:21.14 | StarWars | CPU |
| 23:21.50 | themill | StarWars: is it for long? |
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| 23:22.17 | themill | DustyBin: also look at the package checkinstall |
| 23:22.17 | StarWars | but not always CPU is to 99% ... some time take 5 minute after i run the php script , sometimes 3 5 hours ..and jump to CPU 99% |
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| 23:22.31 | themill | StarWars: then there's nothing that we can do to help that... you need to improve your coding to be more efficient. |
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| 23:22.57 | themill | perhaps consider whether php is the right language to be working in if efficiency is a consideration, too |
| 23:22.59 | StarWars | themill i will , give my script some Cokaine :) |
| 23:23.52 | StarWars | on XP we have programs wich clean CPU "optimize" ... |
| 23:23.55 | StarWars | :) |
| 23:24.03 | themill | bollox |
| 23:24.47 | Kjikaqawej | right |
| 23:25.19 | zicho | In XP there is also multiple background processes which eat 40% of your CPU |
| 23:25.24 | themill | StarWars: If you think that will work, then install php under xp. It will be fun to watch. |
| 23:25.40 | DustyBin | aye ok themill |
| 23:26.06 | themill | StarWars: but seriously, if your script is using 100% cpu, then what do you think running anything else on the machine is going to do to improve things? |
| 23:26.40 | StarWars | not all time is 100% maibie after 1 day ...or maibie after 5 minutes. |
| 23:26.50 | Kjikaqawej | on my linux box i have 200 process eating 98% *idle* time :p |
| 23:26.55 | Kjikaqawej | processes* |
| 23:26.56 | DustyBin | themill: checkinstall is only in unstable |
| 23:27.00 | StarWars | never i know ...i monitoring with top -p Proces pid. |
| 23:27.07 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: you should clean them |
| 23:27.09 | themill | DustyBin: yes. also check backports.org though |
| 23:27.12 | phogg | StarWars: I assume it is doing some high-powered number crunching or that you have some other good reason why it needs so much CPU. |
| 23:27.14 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 23:27.16 | Kjikaqawej | abrotman: hehehe |
| 23:27.34 | abrotman | Kjikaqawej: with the power of magic scrubbing bubbles |
| 23:27.42 | Kjikaqawej | mmm, scrubby bubbles |
| 23:27.58 | Kjikaqawej | and my linux based vibrating toothbrush |
| 23:28.00 | themill | StarWars: Are you really running a PHP process for hours? or is it multiple requests from a web page? |
| 23:28.00 | StarWars | so is not out any script to clean"optimize" CPU ? |
| 23:28.04 | abrotman | NO |
| 23:28.08 | abrotman | fix your damn code |
| 23:28.20 | Apachez | optimize cpu ? |
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| 23:28.43 | themill | StarWars: PHP sounds like the wrong tool for the job. Your algorithm sounds like the wrong tool for the job. |
| 23:28.49 | StarWars | themill webpage runing a game php script online multiplayer |
| 23:28.56 | Kjikaqawej | StarWars: optimize the code already and please stop wasting our time |
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| 23:29.07 | StarWars | i need perl or c ? or java |
| 23:29.22 | Kjikaqawej | perl is going to be worse, TBH |
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| 23:29.23 | Apachez | asm dude |
| 23:29.24 | StarWars | Kjikaqawej i dont ask you Nothing |
| 23:29.26 | Apachez | you need asm |
| 23:29.31 | abrotman | StarWars: just stop .. |
| 23:29.31 | Apachez | nothing more, nothing less |
| 23:29.32 | itchi | DustyBin: You want give Paco a try :-) |
| 23:29.35 | Apachez | but less is more |
| 23:29.36 | Kjikaqawej | StarWars: ,.|.. |
| 23:29.40 | themill | StarWars: For a web page as you describe, php should be fine. look at your algorithm. |
| 23:29.45 | Apachez | and if less is more, is then more equal to less ? |
| 23:29.48 | Kjikaqawej | and more is less |
| 23:29.55 | StarWars | Kjikaqawej .|. |
| 23:29.56 | Kjikaqawej | Apachez: *grin* |
| 23:30.01 | themill | !confuse Apachez |
| 23:30.01 | dpkg | Yes, where are my gerbil yesterday, Apachez? wellies of the democracy of belarus with extra cheese |
| 23:30.09 | Kjikaqawej | StarWars: *plonk* |
| 23:30.16 | itchi | DustyBin: http://paco.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html |
| 23:30.17 | StarWars | ignore work fine i see |
| 23:30.56 | themill | StarWars: You have a problem with your algorithm. You need to work on your code. There is nothing more that we can tell you. |
| 23:31.12 | StarWars | so it is not out any script for optimize the CPU ?? |
| 23:31.15 | Kjikaqawej | i think s/he's the first one that got that ascii one finger salute (but replied to it screwball) |
| 23:31.18 | abrotman | StarWars: NONONO |
| 23:31.28 | themill | StarWars: wtf do you mean by optimize the cpu? |
| 23:31.29 | StarWars | themill i understund thanks |
| 23:31.41 | snowbird | themill overclock |
| 23:31.43 | itchi | StarWars: Code your script in English, avoid to do it in French :-p |
| 23:31.59 | StarWars | itchi:) |
| 23:32.03 | StarWars | chinese |
| 23:32.32 | Kjikaqawej | StarWars: i guess you can't take criticism very well if all you can reply to "optimize the code already and please stop wasting our time" is "i dont ask you Nothing". ... |
| 23:32.38 | itchi | Nah, french guys are weird. Look to me ;-) |
| 23:32.47 | abrotman | itchi: you're not helping |
| 23:32.55 | StarWars | haha :)) |
| 23:33.01 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, but there's nothing to help for the guy heh |
| 23:33.19 | itchi | Maybe rewritting the stuff :-p |
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| 23:33.29 | Kjikaqawej | ok, back on /ignore you go now |
| 23:33.34 | StarWars | itchi i know ..i need PHP help :((( thanks #debian . |
| 23:33.41 | abrotman | StarWars: then ask ##php |
| 23:33.59 | StarWars | abrotman no thanks :). |
| 23:34.03 | itchi | Anyway, have a nice night my lovely guys ;-) |
| 23:34.14 | Kjikaqawej | g'night |
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| 23:35.39 | itchi | Kjikaqawej: Thanks |
| 23:35.48 | itchi | StarWars: Avoid to pm people please |
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| 23:36.13 | StarWars | ok itchi |
| 23:36.37 | StarWars | i only ask have you are a French girl ? with out boyfrend |
| 23:37.30 | itchi | StarWars: No i'm a boy, have a wife and a kid of 2,5 months. But who care heh. That's OT anyway |
| 23:37.38 | peterS | it is indeed OT |
| 23:37.56 | peterS | try to keep those kinds of inquiries out of #debian, please |
| 23:38.04 | StarWars | itchi ...ups .. i wish them ' good luck ' |
| 23:38.31 | StarWars | peterS whay you think i pm peterS ...bicose whaz no debian ... |
| 23:38.38 | peterS | there are lots and lots of internet forums where "a/s/l" is appropriate, this is not one of them |
| 23:38.50 | themill | StarWars: stop. |
| 23:39.32 | abrotman | !tell StarWars about away |
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| 23:45.08 | abrotman | HDD is sealed |
| 23:45.20 | pga | not on this sucker |
| 23:45.36 | pga | el warrany es void |
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| 23:47.25 | morgan | Hello, I am trying to install MRTG on my box but when I try to restart snmpd I get 'start-stop-daemon: command not found' |
| 23:47.43 | aib | anyone know if there is a way to install dpkg on fedora? |
| 23:47.48 | aib | for building debian packages on that os |
| 23:47.50 | pga | MRTG: do not grok |
| 23:47.51 | chupie | i just got a imac and installed debian on it.. i really don't know much about macs and am having a problem getting xorg working, i tried Xorg -configure, but that didn't seem to work.. |
| 23:47.55 | abrotman | aib: ask #fedora |
| 23:47.56 | morgan | ? |
| 23:48.01 | Kjikaqawej | morgan: reinstall dpkg |
| 23:48.02 | pga | aib: #fedora |
| 23:48.04 | dem | Kjikaqawej: hey kji, I got the deb typing and displaying russian chars, but could not get the nautilus or console to display files previously named in russican chars |
| 23:48.05 | morgan | k |
| 23:48.12 | dem | Kjikaqawej: any suggestions? |
| 23:48.14 | Kjikaqawej | morgan: or, your PATH is FUBAR |
| 23:48.23 | morgan | Yeah I think it might be |
| 23:48.32 | morgan | How do I tell the script what path to look in |
| 23:48.40 | pga | chupie, does it not start? |
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| 23:48.48 | morgan | Cause I know start-stop-daemon is installed |
| 23:48.51 | Kjikaqawej | it's in /sbin |
| 23:48.54 | morgan | Right |
| 23:49.01 | aib | i don't see why i should prefer this channel over that one for this question, it's a matter of opinion |
| 23:49.06 | chupie | pga: it does, but it looks like all the settings are incorrect, the screen is all distorted |
| 23:49.12 | morgan | So should I go in and edit /etc/init.d/snmpd ? |
| 23:49.13 | Kjikaqawej | just set up the PATH in your script after you clear your env vars |
| 23:49.29 | Kjikaqawej | you shouldn't have to... |
| 23:49.45 | morgan | ? |
| 23:49.51 | pga | chupie, read up on xorg.conf: start in single user mode, enter root Pass, and more /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:49.52 | morgan | But itsn't that the script? |
| 23:50.07 | Kjikaqawej | dem: having nautilus do that stuff is another can of beans |
| 23:50.21 | Kjikaqawej | morgan: i.e., IIRC it's already set |
| 23:50.23 | dem | Kjikaqawej: oh shit... |
| 23:50.34 | dem | Kjikaqawej: but i cant see them in console either |
| 23:50.44 | Kjikaqawej | dem: more or less the same thing (having to do with locales and fonts) though |
| 23:51.06 | morgan | I don't think so |
| 23:51.07 | chupie | pga: well one more thing.. since its a imac, i don't have any of the simple monitor adjustment controls.. and the screen is too far to the left, so i can't see a few of characters displayed |
| 23:51.09 | morgan | Or else it would work? |
| 23:51.18 | Kjikaqawej | dem: log out of that shell come in again |
| 23:51.23 | dem | Kjikaqawej: i've be screwing around with every local or font stuff i can find, and still couldnt get... deb forums does not contain something like this either... its weird... |
| 23:51.40 | Kjikaqawej | morgan: export PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin |
| 23:51.50 | Kjikaqawej | /etc/init.d/snmpd lines 1-32/94 30% |
| 23:51.52 | pga | chupie, in SINGLE USER MODE run x11conf i belive |
| 23:52.01 | pga | let me get the recipe book... |
| 23:52.12 | Kjikaqawej | !drxx chupie |
| 23:52.12 | dpkg | chupie: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:52.18 | morgan | So would I have to run that command every time SNMPD needs to start up? |
| 23:52.34 | Kjikaqawej | morgan: no, it's inside it... look at it |
| 23:53.00 | morgan | Inside of what the snmpd file? |
| 23:53.08 | Kjikaqawej | the init script |
| 23:53.12 | morgan | It's not |
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| 23:53.27 | Kjikaqawej | prove it |
| 23:53.37 | morgan | lol |
| 23:53.41 | morgan | I am looking at the file right now |
| 23:53.44 | morgan | That line is not in there |
| 23:53.50 | Kjikaqawej | is this etch? |
| 23:54.04 | lwizardl | has there been an application create for linux to create a hfs+ partition? |
| 23:54.06 | morgan | I believe so |
| 23:54.12 | Kjikaqawej | that's why |
| 23:54.17 | Kjikaqawej | they fixed it later |
| 23:54.20 | morgan | It's on kernel 2.6.18.-4-686 |
| 23:54.24 | Kjikaqawej | my bad |
| 23:55.06 | ice63 | that's etch |
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| 23:55.20 | morgan | :\ |
| 23:55.25 | morgan | Maybe it just doesn't like meeee |
| 23:56.10 | pga | chupie, XFree86 -configure should help, it probes your hardware. also try running /usr/sbin/ddcprobe -- it will collect info about your video card. if 'XFree86' fails then try just "X" |
| 23:56.12 | Kjikaqawej | just add it then |
| 23:56.15 | Kjikaqawej | morgan: ^^^ |
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| 23:56.43 | abrotman | who is still use xfree86 ? |
| 23:56.47 | abrotman | using |
| 23:56.58 | morgan | kk |
| 23:56.58 | dem | Kjikaqawej: still coulnt get it... do we have anyplace we can configure the font prefferences of nautilus? |
| 23:56.59 | morgan | http://www.scribbld.net/snmpd.txt |
| 23:57.03 | morgan | There's more proof |
| 23:57.18 | morgan | Now, where would I add that line? |
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