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| 00:00.04 | Yggdrasil | its exetucib le |
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| 00:00.07 | twiggz | is there a cli command that will let me see some info on that package? |
| 00:00.08 | bjorkimacg3 | did you put it there? |
| 00:00.08 | zmainframe | I'm running 2.622 and I tried to blacklist the i82875p_edac but it keeps getting loaded. I would rather have the intel-agp load first. This is causing /dev/agp not to be created. Is there a work-a-round? |
| 00:00.11 | Yggdrasil | i can run it manually |
| 00:00.16 | abrotman | twiggz: man dpkg |
| 00:00.17 | mesof | Yggdrasil: you must include .xsession to startup with your login manager |
| 00:00.19 | Yggdrasil | bjorkimcge thats right |
| 00:00.26 | mesof | Yggdrasil: do you gdm? |
| 00:00.31 | abrotman | zmainframe: there are module rules .. |
| 00:00.33 | Yggdrasil | yes its gdm |
| 00:00.44 | mesof | Yggdrasil: metacity, gnome? |
| 00:00.49 | Yggdrasil | no |
| 00:00.51 | Yggdrasil | its fvwm |
| 00:00.55 | zmainframe | abrotman: Which rules do I need to edit? |
| 00:01.14 | Yggdrasil | ack xfce i mean |
| 00:01.15 | Yggdrasil | sorry |
| 00:01.19 | Yggdrasil | iget them confused |
| 00:01.20 | mesof | Yggdrasil: well i do know that you need to include .xsession to get executed as gdm logs in |
| 00:01.25 | abrotman | i think in /etc/modutils |
| 00:01.31 | abrotman | i think in /etc/modutils/ |
| 00:01.33 | mesof | Yggdrasil: find a login options in the main menu |
| 00:01.36 | Yggdrasil | ok |
| 00:01.42 | semprix | abrotman |
| 00:01.55 | mesof | Yggdrasil: or possibly login setting or manager |
| 00:01.58 | zmainframe | abrotman: what about /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist? |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 00:02.04 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 00:02.19 | Yggdrasil | thanks ill dig a little deeper on that |
| 00:02.29 | mesof | and find a section where you can include /home/$USER$/.xsession when you login |
| 00:02.30 | derek_ | When I first started gnome it installed updates but now there is two debian things in my grub bootlist at startup and one of them didn't have stuff that i installed so i'm using the second one in the list and when i try to install stuff i receive errors with wacom-kernel-source (I don't even have a wacom, did I compile something wrong with m-a (no idea what that does btw)) and it says kernel headers don't match running linux version. |
| 00:02.35 | twiggz | hmm |
| 00:02.47 | jair | guys, if I have gdm and installed xdm accidently can I remove xdm and gdm will take over? |
| 00:02.48 | twiggz | where would the README.Debian for this irssi-scripts package be? |
| 00:02.48 | mesof | twiggz! |
| 00:03.02 | twiggz | i found dpkg -I |
| 00:03.05 | abrotman | twiggz: /usr/share/doc/irssi-scripts/README.Debian |
| 00:03.10 | mesof | twiggz: there's a bunch of how-to's on the website |
| 00:03.21 | twiggz | but it just told me the same that synaptic did...but that was most uninformative..lol |
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| 00:03.29 | twiggz | ok thanks abrotman, mesof. |
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| 00:04.53 | abrotman | derek_: m-a a-i |
| 00:06.01 | twiggz | hmm, that file isnt there, ill updatedb and make locate find it for me.. |
| 00:06.41 | Yggdrasil | bjorkimag3 wins |
| 00:06.42 | Yggdrasil | ;) |
| 00:06.44 | Yggdrasil | xinitrc |
| 00:06.50 | Yggdrasil | thanks for the helpbbl |
| 00:06.53 | abrotman | cd /usr/share/doc/irssi<tab><tab> |
| 00:07.49 | twiggz | got it |
| 00:07.59 | zmainframe | abrotman/dpkg: I'm sorry, I am a bit confused. I am running debian sid. Should I edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist or /etc/modutils? |
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| 00:08.14 | twiggz | oh, it was gunziped. |
| 00:08.21 | twiggz | no wonder nano didnt find it right away |
| 00:08.37 | abrotman | zmainframe: possibly both .. some drivers are harder to blacklist |
| 00:08.49 | zmainframe | ahh I see. I didn't know that. |
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| 00:09.03 | zmainframe | I was googling all last night. |
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| 00:09.09 | zmainframe | couldn't figure it out. |
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| 00:09.48 | zmainframe | So does the kernel insert moduels based on /etc/modultis? |
| 00:10.01 | zmainframe | oops modutils |
| 00:10.11 | enouf | twiggz: zless /usr/share/.../.../filename.gz |
| 00:11.01 | enouf | heck, even man /full/path/to/file.gz opens them ;-) |
| 00:11.43 | twiggz | i figured it out....i do wish the package info that i saw in synaptic had a list exactly of what scripts it contained...none of them i want ..lol |
| 00:12.38 | mesof | abrotman: do you know how to remove the padding in xterm? |
| 00:12.45 | enouf | twiggz: dlocate <pkgname>, dpkg -L <pkgename> |
| 00:12.47 | abrotman | padding ? |
| 00:13.33 | mesof | abrotman: yeah like inside the main window it seems there's padding |
| 00:13.38 | mesof | like a 5 pixel padding |
| 00:13.49 | abrotman | try another term ? |
| 00:14.07 | mesof | no thanks |
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| 00:16.27 | bjorkimacg3 | hmm. |
| 00:16.38 | bjorkimacg3 | how can i start X with the max # of colors? |
| 00:16.47 | bjorkimacg3 | i don't think X is reading from xorg.conf |
| 00:16.55 | stoned | eh? |
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| 00:17.21 | bjorkimacg3 | i'm trying to run xdmx, but the extended screen always looks less ruddy. |
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| 00:17.27 | abrotman | 32bit is the max |
| 00:17.35 | bjorkimacg3 | at -depth 24? |
| 00:17.46 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:18.12 | bjorkimacg3 | maybe i should switch both to -16 |
| 00:19.02 | cerulean` | just wondering, i think i'm going to pave my old sarge box that's acting as my firewall and start with a fresh install of etch. i'd been using a firewall script called plonk (the iptables port), and i'm wondering if there's a decent firewall package that has ready support for most standard stuff (NAT, forwarding, etc.), or just shoehorn plonk in? |
| 00:20.08 | abrotman | !plonk |
| 00:20.08 | dpkg | well, plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or or killfile. Plonk is British and Canadian slang for cheap wine. "Rodney, you plonker." |
| 00:20.10 | abrotman | yay! |
| 00:20.34 | abrotman | Ronin: really .. you guys call cheap wine .. plonk ? |
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| 00:21.25 | cerulean` | etymology aside, any advice? |
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| 00:22.07 | stray | cerulean`: if "plonk" is just a script, you only need iptables and a kernel that supports the modules you need. |
| 00:24.08 | stray | plunk down two bits and get a plonk ;) hehe |
| 00:24.10 | cerulean` | well, plonk was originally ipchains, and it was translated over to iptables. it does the job, but it's kind of kludgy. i've been wondering if there's something a bit more refined that comes standard. |
| 00:25.19 | abrotman | cerulean`: you could learn direct iptables |
| 00:25.20 | stray | cerulean`: no standard, since each firewall ruleset depends on each of the network's requirements that it is "firewalling" |
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| 00:28.12 | snowbird | what do yellow satrs in package manajour mean |
| 00:28.21 | jair | guys, if I have installed on my machine "xdm" and also "gdm" where do i tell debian to start or use one or the other as default? |
| 00:28.41 | stray | cerulean`: http://www.linuxguruz.com/iptables/ sometimes you can use someone's script and taylor it to your needs. |
| 00:28.46 | zmainframe | OK, I think I see how this blacklist stuff works |
| 00:28.52 | abrotman | jair: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 00:28.58 | stray | tailor (?) |
| 00:29.13 | cerulean` | tailor. |
| 00:29.26 | zmainframe | I need a /etc/modprobe.d/00local containing the true statements for intel_agp and agpgart |
| 00:29.36 | zmainframe | I'll try it and see if I'm ok |
| 00:30.09 | stray | k ;) |
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| 00:33.07 | jair | abrotman: cool |
| 00:33.14 | jair | abrotman: that make it work |
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| 00:33.32 | jair | abrotman: now there has to be a text file conf somewhere right? |
| 00:33.53 | zmainframe | bye going to reboot |
| 00:34.21 | stray | cerulean`: maybe check out http://www.aboutdebian.com/firewall.htm if you haven't already. |
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| 00:34.42 | abrotman | jair: /etc/X11/default-display-manager .. or something like that |
| 00:35.42 | jair | abrotman: alright i will check my friend |
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| 00:36.25 | abrotman | jair: and you burnt my dinner :) |
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| 00:36.42 | cerulean` | thanks. i've got a few leads for an "upgrade" now. |
| 00:36.50 | jair | abrotman: Thank you my friend |
| 00:36.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:37.48 | cerulean` | hopefully once i pave it, i'll remember how to get sendmail/fetchmail/pop3 all working together again. |
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| 00:38.05 | abrotman | cerulean`: why ..just upgrade then fix your firewall |
| 00:38.15 | abrotman | unless your mail setup is completely custom perhaps |
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| 00:40.08 | abrotman | hi damog ! |
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| 00:40.33 | cerulean` | i moved the drive from a P166 box to a PII-333 and its behavior has been a little wonky ever since (most particularly, internet tends to occasionally hiccup and stall for a second or two at a time once in a while). i'm thinking a clean start is my best bet. |
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| 00:44.48 | abrotman | hi |
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| 00:47.34 | bjorkimacg3 | -geometry 2624x1200+0+0 |
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| 00:47.56 | stray | cerulean`: sarge has been a long time (and stable) standby. I somehow botched an upgrade, so it's etch on another partition for now. (kinda miss 'ole sarge). |
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| 00:51.50 | cerulean` | yeah, it's been pretty good for me. hm, i think the ill fate for my 3.0 install was upgrading perl from tarball. BAD learning experience. it totally broke apt/dpkg, and i ended up fixing that with a clean install. |
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| 00:54.56 | mbroeker | any php programmers here? does date("z"); presents the day of the year -1 or not? |
| 00:55.13 | dondelelcaro | mbroeker: best to ask #php |
| 00:55.31 | mbroeker | any calender freaks here? |
| 00:55.38 | mbroeker | what day of the year do we have? |
| 00:55.45 | mbroeker | 233 or 232 ? |
| 00:55.55 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: ask ##php |
| 00:56.05 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: or TIAS |
| 00:56.17 | dondelelcaro | mbroeker: or man date; and learn about date +'%j' |
| 00:56.41 | mbroeker | ah cool. 233 |
| 00:57.13 | abrotman | mbroeker: the php.net website has pretty good docs |
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| 00:58.05 | abrotman | and the docs there say that "z" starts at 0 |
| 00:58.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: but it's easier to bug a room full of disinterested people |
| 00:58.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: hey now .. we've clearly got better things to be disinterested in! |
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| 00:59.19 | John_Titor | is there a virtual machine software called vm webserver or something ?? |
| 00:59.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: gotta love php though; in strftime and date it's 1 indexed. |
| 00:59.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: and z is the time zone. |
| 00:59.34 | SerajewelKS | John_Titor: i think they call it apache |
| 00:59.35 | stoned | ask google |
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| 01:00.07 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: are you saying that perhaps PHP might be inconsistent ? |
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| 01:00.23 | mbroeker | ok: i got it: php says 232 and means it and date "+%j" tells me 233 and means the day before! |
| 01:00.30 | John_Titor | ok THX |
| 01:00.32 | abrotman | mbroeker: but why ? |
| 01:00.50 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: why would I say that? ;-) |
| 01:01.04 | abrotman | ouch .. truth hurts |
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| 01:01.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: at least the docs are good enough to help out most of the time |
| 01:01.43 | abrotman | too bad it still lets you blow your leg off most of the time |
| 01:02.01 | SerajewelKS | and C doesn't? |
| 01:02.31 | SerajewelKS | at least with C when you do something bad it does the righ thing and kills the process instead of displaying silly messages :) |
| 01:02.38 | SerajewelKS | right* |
| 01:02.38 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: C isn't as bad .. C++ is harder but takes more damage .. PHP is easy and takes way more |
| 01:02.52 | NiLon | SerajewelKS "silly messages" are meant for developing |
| 01:03.05 | SerajewelKS | NiLon: fix your sarcasm detector |
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| 01:03.19 | simonrvn | fix your php too while you're at it ;) |
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| 01:03.24 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: and i actually like PHP :) |
| 01:03.29 | John_Titor | found it ... was vmware server :P |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | though i've been using it for like .. 10 years ? |
| 01:03.52 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: me too, my job is coding PHP for our intranet |
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| 01:04.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: which is great because i don't have to worry that much about security :) |
| 01:04.08 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: does doesn't kill the process when something bad happens. |
| 01:04.13 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: only if something *really* bad happens |
| 01:04.18 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that makes PHP .. semi-worth it |
| 01:04.22 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: i'm talking like *(0) |
| 01:04.22 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: most things you have to check the retval |
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| 01:04.45 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: PHP will throw exceptions in some situations... the problem is that most of the API doesn't use them |
| 01:04.55 | NiLon | SerajewelKS hard to detect when you don't know person |
| 01:04.57 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: yeah but apache still lives! |
| 01:04.59 | Dewi | but in that respect it is exactly like C |
| 01:05.09 | Dewi | except C doesn't have any possibility of exceptions |
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| 01:05.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, the documentation is reasonably ok; the problem is that you have to refer to the documentation constantly |
| 01:05.41 | Dewi | that said, PHP is an abomination and it seems to be getting worse; I wish it would just die |
| 01:05.47 | NiLon | Dewi mostly because of php3 and 4 |
| 01:05.53 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: write a better one |
| 01:06.00 | Dewi | NiLon: no, PHP sucks and will continue to suck |
| 01:06.01 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: depends how varied your work is .. after spending a few weeks doing pgsql work .. you've got a good handle on it :) |
| 01:06.14 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: i hear ASP.NET is a good substitute :) |
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| 01:06.41 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but if you're doing pgsql + imaging + math + file IO .. yeah .. lots of referring to docs, etc |
| 01:06.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, but only for some functions. At least in perl the vast majority of modules have DWIMery down pretty well, so they just do what you'd expect. Not necessarily the case in php land |
| 01:06.52 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: indeed it is |
| 01:07.09 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I'd choose java or .NET every time |
| 01:07.19 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: eww, i was kidding |
| 01:07.24 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I'm not. |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i love it that they have(maybe it's fixed now) things like pg_exec and mysql_query to basically do the same thing .. just to confuse you :) |
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| 01:07.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:07.45 | Dewi | abrotman: they never fix anything |
| 01:07.47 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: don't get me wrong, C# and Gtk# are great for the desktop |
| 01:07.49 | Dewi | they are even taking out safe mode |
| 01:07.55 | abrotman | Dewi: they just don't tell anyone :) |
| 01:07.57 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: ASP.NET is just horrible though |
| 01:08.14 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: at least DBI got it right and everything is just $dbh->prepare(...); $sth->execute(); |
| 01:08.15 | Dewi | and if anyone can tell me how to run different vhosts as different users without having to have the slowness of CGI, I'd love to know about it |
| 01:08.19 | abrotman | as many failings as PHP has .. it does make web development so freaking easy |
| 01:08.22 | Dewi | it seems I can't use the debian default apache |
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| 01:08.42 | Dewi | I think maybe each vhost should get its own lighttpd and be done with it |
| 01:08.48 | abrotman | i do wish that PHP had better SQL prep ( as dondelelcaro pointed out that perl makes it easy) |
| 01:08.48 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: you can, but you need to use cgi with fastcgi or similar. |
| 01:09.05 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: PDO is pretty close |
| 01:09.08 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: apparently you can't use fastcgi without hacking apache source |
| 01:09.16 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: but I can't find any decent docs |
| 01:09.16 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: well, whoever said that lied. |
| 01:09.44 | dondelelcaro | there is one patch that you should apply, but it's not required (and is only useful if you're killing off things) |
| 01:09.47 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I'll install a VM later and have a good play with it I think |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | or perhaps .. more transparent sql prep |
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| 01:10.25 | Dewi | abrotman: it makes dreadful web development easy. It makes security needlessly difficult |
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| 01:10.42 | abrotman | Dewi: that's debatable |
| 01:10.47 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: security isn't that difficult if you know what you're doing |
| 01:11.03 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: almost nobody does |
| 01:11.07 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: arguably ASP.NET makes you feel really secure at the app level while having a server process that falls over when poked |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | Dewi: a moron can still make a mess of asp.net |
| 01:11.22 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: right, so it's the tool's fault that its users are morons? |
| 01:11.27 | Dewi | the guy sitting next to me has a "zend certification" and he doesn't even know what magic quotes or taint checking even *are*. |
| 01:11.33 | SerajewelKS | a moron can screw up anything |
| 01:11.39 | abrotman | Dewi: i know what taint is! |
| 01:11.46 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: that's not PHP's fault, that's zend's fault |
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| 01:11.52 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: Zend makes PHPP |
| 01:12.06 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: their approach to security is reckless and stupid, always has been |
| 01:12.06 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: so? |
| 01:12.12 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: even now they have deprecated safe mode |
| 01:12.18 | abrotman | Dewi: PHP makes bad developers worse .. but a good developer still should be doing it right |
| 01:12.24 | Dewi | I can't even find a secure wway to host the damn thing |
| 01:12.27 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: yeah, MS has such an awesome security track record too, ASP.NET must be bulletproof |
| 01:12.38 | abrotman | Dewi: there is the suexec-php or whatever ti's called |
| 01:12.46 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: tell me another one |
| 01:12.53 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: it's a much more secure design |
| 01:12.57 | et | err |
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| 01:13.15 | abrotman | silly germans! |
| 01:13.19 | mesof | :D |
| 01:13.22 | mesof | sup abrotty! |
| 01:13.25 | Dewi | abrotman: yeah, but CGI does horrible things to my performance. I'm going to try fastcgi but I can't find any reliable information about how that's meant to work |
| 01:13.28 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: and an incredibly difficult design to work with |
| 01:13.31 | abrotman | mesof: send bratwurst! |
| 01:13.44 | mesof | HAHAHAH! |
| 01:13.46 | mesof | funny |
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| 01:13.51 | mesof | abrotman: send money! |
| 01:13.52 | mesof | :D |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | Dewi: perhaps .. but it's still possibly a better security model |
| 01:14.08 | abrotman | mesof: my mom is north of you .. i'm sure she'll just send me some :) |
| 01:14.12 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I'm not a big fan of the form painting shit on top, but at least proper translations occur naturally, rather than every punctuation character being a potential security threat |
| 01:14.31 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: why is punctuation a security threat? |
| 01:14.32 | joejaxx | Good Evening All |
| 01:14.33 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: all you basically do is get the fastcgi module running, then create a set of cgi's which are owned by the various users, and have php scripts work using them instead. |
| 01:14.46 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: ever heard of prepared queries? |
| 01:14.49 | mesof | #debian, the best irc channel ever! |
| 01:15.04 | et | safe mode was a bad idea, so they removed it ... it tried to do at app level what should be done on os level |
| 01:15.12 | morgan | I'm trying to run the AutoMySQLBackup script and it calls for the amil command, but each time the script runs it says mail: command not found, I have sendmail installed so I am not sure what the issue is... |
| 01:15.16 | morgan | maiL* |
| 01:15.23 | abrotman | morgan: install mailx |
| 01:15.31 | Dewi | et: and yet the way PHP ties into apache you can't do anything with security at all |
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| 01:15.35 | morgan | ok |
| 01:15.52 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: um... yeah, but I've literallly never seen any PHP coder use one |
| 01:15.54 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: not EVER. |
| 01:15.57 | et | you aren't forced to tie it into apache. |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | Dewi: that's bull |
| 01:16.05 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: even code I consider "alright" doesn't use them |
| 01:16.11 | mesof | brb |
| 01:16.12 | abrotman | Dewi: or you know the worst PHP devs on the planet :) |
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| 01:16.25 | morgan | abrotman: thanks so much, working like a charm now :) |
| 01:16.27 | Dewi | abrotman: wordpress doesn't use them |
| 01:16.31 | abrotman | morgan: enjoy |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | Dewi: i didn't write it! |
| 01:16.36 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:16.40 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: well you'll be happy to know i use them then, on intranet sites no less... |
| 01:17.08 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: in general though web development sucks no matter which tool you are using |
| 01:17.14 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: php is the most tolerable i've found yet |
| 01:17.23 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: well, I use them too. So I'm already wrong if I count myself. But that's not the point. The way mail() is an open security hole... the way PHP magic quotes can only wreck your security... |
| 01:17.42 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: yes i tried to get us to switch off magic quotes |
| 01:17.44 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: I've got a 100,000 line app here that relies on PHP magic quotes for its form -> SQL safety |
| 01:17.58 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: but so much depends on them being on on our intranet |
| 01:18.36 | abrotman | maybe someone in the PHP circle should come up with some test suite stuff |
| 01:18.36 | Dewi | and of course it has all kinds of postback bugs |
| 01:18.39 | Dewi | that I can't really fix |
| 01:18.46 | mesof | dude fluxbox is so amazing |
| 01:18.48 | et | magic quotes has been defaulting to off for years. |
| 01:19.00 | Dewi | because the whole basic assumption of PHP magic quotes is that your data's formatting depends entirely on what direction it's going |
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| 01:19.05 | Dewi | et: it's still on |
| 01:19.13 | Dewi | et: you're thinking of register globals |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | Dewi: depends on the OS |
| 01:19.18 | Dewi | but PHP magic quotes is, if anything, worse |
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| 01:19.36 | abrotman | and the database i think |
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| 01:20.00 | Dewi | abrotman: well that's the other thing. it doesn't even match any REAL database for its escaping |
| 01:20.03 | joejaxx | mesof: i am waiting for the Open Group to open source CDE so i can package it |
| 01:20.06 | joejaxx | :) |
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| 01:20.08 | Dewi | abrotman: so it won't even work in its ideal mode |
| 01:20.14 | abrotman | Dewi: i meant if it's on or off :) |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | joejaxx: never going to happen |
| 01:20.34 | joejaxx | abrotman: :P |
| 01:20.34 | abrotman | well .. maybe not never .. |
| 01:20.42 | joejaxx | abrotman: i still like to hope |
| 01:20.44 | joejaxx | haha |
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| 01:21.24 | abrotman | isn't there a CDE clone ? |
| 01:21.36 | joejaxx | abrotman: no |
| 01:21.37 | deborahh | What I have to install to use the mail function of pear with mime? |
| 01:21.50 | abrotman | maybe that's the irix cloney thingie |
| 01:21.53 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: thanks for that... I'm hoping it will be that easy, but the proliferation of that "suexec patch" makes me worry there will be some snah |
| 01:21.56 | Dewi | snag |
| 01:22.04 | joejaxx | abrotman: xfce and kde were supposed to be clones when they first came out but they have change farther than that |
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| 01:22.12 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I'll just have to mess with it myself, there's no docs that clearly explain what's necessary |
| 01:22.17 | joejaxx | abrotman: yeah i think that i what you are talking about |
| 01:22.22 | karsten | abrotman: xfce (original) was sort of CDE-ish. |
| 01:22.28 | abrotman | sort of. .. |
| 01:22.50 | joejaxx | abrotman: i wish someone would create a modern clone of cde |
| 01:22.51 | joejaxx | :P |
| 01:23.00 | abrotman | but CDE still isn't that good |
| 01:23.24 | et | Dewi: i just tried to find the log entry for magic quotes, and it has been off in php.ini-recommended for longer than 2001 |
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| 01:23.32 | abrotman | last i used it .. god awful slow |
| 01:23.41 | joejaxx | abrotman: i started out on unix so i like it :) |
| 01:23.45 | abrotman | et: but almost no packager does that |
| 01:23.48 | Dewi | et: it's not off in the manual |
| 01:23.51 | karsten | abrotman: http://xwinman.org/screenshots/xfce-default.jpg |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | joejaxx: i started out on unix that didn't have cde :) |
| 01:24.03 | joejaxx | abrotman: :P |
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| 01:24.17 | abrotman | i guess my first solaris had openlook or whatever it's called |
| 01:24.18 | joejaxx | i am thinking about living dangerous and running testing on my laptop |
| 01:24.20 | karsten | abrotman: That's ~2000, compare to http://xwinman.org/screenshots/dtwm.gif |
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| 01:24.34 | Dewi | ec: from the manual, today, php.net: "magic_quotes_gpc default: 1" |
| 01:24.38 | karsten | joejaxx: Live dangerously: kiss abrotman |
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| 01:24.46 | abrotman | karsten: the dtwm looks much lcoser |
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| 01:25.03 | joejaxx | dtwm is it |
| 01:25.03 | et | Dewi: http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/php-src/php.ini-recommended?annotate=1.179.2.11.2.22 |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | at least compared to what i remember from Solaris |
| 01:25.19 | joejaxx | karsten: :P |
| 01:25.32 | karsten | abrotman: Link? |
| 01:25.37 | Dewi | et: well, they haven't updated their manual in 5 years. Why does this not surprise me? |
| 01:25.46 | Dewi | et: and like abrotman says, the packagers all keep it on |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | karsten: to waht? i used CDE on Solaris 7/8 |
| 01:25.55 | karsten | abrotman: dtwm |
| 01:25.55 | mesof | joejaxx: dtwm? |
| 01:26.01 | abrotman | the openlook on earlier solaris |
| 01:26.02 | Dewi | et: and people design with it on, and as far as I can see there is no way to make a secure app with it on |
| 01:26.08 | Dewi | et: false security is all you get from it |
| 01:26.25 | et | Dewi: -dist, -recommended and default values (in the absense of ini options) are different things |
| 01:26.29 | joejaxx | abrotman: you mean openwindows? |
| 01:26.34 | abrotman | the blue one! |
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| 01:27.00 | et | if you don't use the recommended settings ... well, yeah, blame others |
| 01:27.00 | abrotman | erm .. yeah .. openwindows .. maybe openlook was the OSS name |
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| 01:27.18 | Dewi | et: what? |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | cows! |
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| 01:27.38 | Dewi | et: they're obviously not recommending it very vigorously if even their bloody manual writers haven't read it |
| 01:27.43 | joejaxx | karsten: so should i live dangerous? :P |
| 01:27.51 | joejaxx | karsten: or stay on etch :P |
| 01:27.59 | et | Dewi: again, -dist, -recommended, and default values are three different things |
| 01:28.07 | downix | ok, it's official, 2 days with Fedora and I'm going back to Debian!! |
| 01:28.08 | Dewi | et: so why are you saying they are the same? |
| 01:28.17 | karsten | joejaxx: I've been running testing for years. At work. |
| 01:28.19 | Dewi | et: and acting like -recommended is the one everyone uses? clearly it isn't |
| 01:28.19 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: is stew not coming back ? |
| 01:28.28 | joejaxx | karsten: nice |
| 01:28.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I don't know, actually |
| 01:28.53 | karsten | joejaxx: It occasionally barfs, but pretty rarely. |
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| 01:29.00 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ah .. okay .. carry on! :) |
| 01:29.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: haven't heard from him lately |
| 01:29.18 | et | sorry. saying "defaulting" was wrong, "off in the recommended version of php.ini" is the right version. |
| 01:29.21 | dondelelcaro | looks like he's just 5 days idle. |
| 01:29.33 | joejaxx | karsten: well here i go :D |
| 01:29.35 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i've talked to mrs stew .. and i didn't get a good read .. maybe i should just msg him |
| 01:29.40 | et | Dewi: Where did I act like that? It's just your fault if you don't use it |
| 01:29.44 | Dewi | karsten: can you get security updates on etch without getting break-causing functional updates as well? |
| 01:29.46 | karsten | abrotman: What did I miss (stew)? |
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| 01:29.56 | abrotman | karsten: read your backscroll in #-ot |
| 01:30.04 | abrotman | oh .. you're not there anymore :) |
| 01:30.25 | Dewi | et: it's also my fault if I'm silly enough to trust "the PHP community" to produce either an interpreter, or widely available code for it, that takes security seriously |
| 01:30.30 | downix | `no quick way to install debian over fedora I take it? |
| 01:30.31 | michlemken | Hello - If i have to restart the internert network - via modem and DHCP - how to do properly (running /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't help - a reboot does)? |
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| 01:30.40 | simonrvn | !debtakeover |
| 01:30.40 | dpkg | well, debtakeover is Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
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| 01:31.01 | karsten | Dewi: The whole idea is that stable *is* supported. It's really aimed more at server or very, very proscribed, stable desktop environments. |
| 01:31.02 | Dewi | simonrvn: that sounds lovely in theory |
| 01:31.30 | simonrvn | bah dumb thing hasn't been updated... |
| 01:31.40 | simonrvn | Dewi: /me rolls eyes |
| 01:32.00 | karsten | downix: debtakeover, chroot install. Take your pick. |
| 01:32.02 | et | Dewi: You could say the same thing about C(++) compilers. |
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| 01:32.19 | Dewi | et: not really |
| 01:32.31 | simonrvn | Dewi: i wasn't participating in this convo ... |
| 01:32.34 | downix | it's a fresh install. I was tempted just to download floppies and network install |
| 01:32.35 | Dewi | et: security isn't a binary value. It's a wide range of policies |
| 01:32.42 | Dewi | et: and PHP doesn't seem to bother most of the time |
| 01:32.57 | Dewi | sure, they close the actual exploits |
| 01:33.06 | Dewi | but the design is just irresponsible |
| 01:33.23 | karsten | Dewi: Right, and much of the development community doubly so. |
| 01:33.38 | Dewi | karsten: probably true |
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| 01:33.53 | abrotman | downix: what are you trying to do ? |
| 01:34.03 | et | i've seen more exploits for c stuff than for php stuff ... ;) |
| 01:34.14 | karsten | Dewi: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Security/php.html |
| 01:34.20 | abrotman | et: i'm not sure about more .. but usually more severe |
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| 01:34.28 | jair | anyone use lvm in debian ? |
| 01:34.35 | downix | Well, I'm honestly trying to get my sons computer to the point that it'll play his games. |
| 01:34.37 | nevyn | yes yes I do |
| 01:34.43 | jair | nevyn: hi |
| 01:34.46 | abrotman | downix: uhm .. his games ? |
| 01:34.47 | downix | he just plays some flash games online |
| 01:34.51 | karsten | Dewi: More in the form of links from there, there's also the guy who'd signed on with the PHP devs to brush up their security, and ran screaming in disgust. |
| 01:34.51 | downix | he's 5 |
| 01:34.53 | nevyn | ah |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | downix: flash in debian isn't that hard |
| 01:35.03 | downix | you know, club pengiun, nickjr, noggin.com |
| 01:35.11 | jair | nevyn: I have a system running debian etch 4.0 with one drive 40GB |
| 01:35.13 | nevyn | downix: some require shockwave in which case you're in trouble |
| 01:35.19 | downix | Honestly, I'm a bit rusty. |
| 01:35.41 | downix | Club runs on Fedora here, but I keep having system hiccups that are driving me loco |
| 01:35.50 | downix | makes vista almost look stable |
| 01:35.56 | et | karsten: and more links to the guy who is, for a great deal, responsible for the run. |
| 01:36.11 | abrotman | downix: for shame! |
| 01:36.28 | jair | nevyn: I create an lvm configuration on the debian installer and it created a VG for me and everything |
| 01:36.34 | downix | I know! Work runs Fedora, so I figured I'd give it a shot... grrr |
| 01:36.42 | Dewi | abrotman: vista is more stable than fedora. Not more secure though. |
| 01:36.51 | downix | never had this problem with my old Debian or Gentoo installs |
| 01:36.53 | wert613_ | ugh rpm based systems give me a headache |
| 01:36.56 | jair | nevyn: now I have two more drives I would like to us eon my system. 1)74gb and 2)250GB |
| 01:36.59 | abrotman | downix: so you just need flash ? |
| 01:37.01 | downix | agreed |
| 01:37.04 | downix | pretty much |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | downix: /msg dpkg flash |
| 01:37.14 | nevyn | jair: yep.. |
| 01:37.42 | jair | nevyn: it is a better idea to add this drives to the current VG or should I just create a separate VG from the one where root and home and swap is located? |
| 01:37.58 | nevyn | I'm a big fan of one big vg.. |
| 01:38.07 | nevyn | well not too big |
| 01:38.18 | nevyn | but I have some interesting thoughts for you. |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | nevyn: hamsters ? |
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| 01:39.06 | downix | `need to get debian installed frst |
| 01:39.13 | downix | so, downloading floppies |
| 01:39.29 | michlemken | what is the proper way to restart all networking serveces??? |
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| 01:40.15 | abrotman | michlemken: all of them ? |
| 01:40.24 | abrotman | downix: downloading what? |
| 01:40.35 | nevyn | jair I suggest you create a redundant vg using a 80gig partition of the 250 and the 80gig dirve and move your home LLV there |
| 01:40.37 | karsten | michlemken: /etc/init.d/<service> restart, for list of services. |
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| 01:40.53 | downix | debian floppy install |
| 01:41.03 | nevyn | I'm not a big fan of swap on lvm... |
| 01:41.05 | downix | I lack a CD-R on this machine |
| 01:41.05 | karsten | michlemken: eg: for svc in apache sshd postfix; do /etc/init.d/${svc} restart; done |
| 01:41.15 | jair | nevyn: hmm |
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| 01:41.51 | jair | nevyn: can i paste the current details for you to check? so you can understand what i will ask |
| 01:42.05 | nevyn | use a pastebin |
| 01:42.34 | nevyn | tell jair about paster |
| 01:42.38 | michlemken | abrotman: maybe - sorry noe is server service - the client receiving from a internet provider - currently i do a reboot, which sucks |
| 01:42.52 | michlemken | none |
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| 01:43.48 | jair | nevyn: http://rafb.net/p/42nE7m34.html <==== you will see two VG "rhenan" and "handy", I was wondering if i should take handy out and put everything on "rhenan" make just a big VG. |
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| 01:45.09 | downix | it sucks when my two machines with DVD-r's are down |
| 01:45.12 | downix | stupid Dell's |
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| 01:46.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:46.39 | jair | nevyn: so i can eliminate the volume group, and extend the volume group "rhenan" adding the two other physical volumes "/dev/sda1" and "/dev/hdb1" |
| 01:48.16 | nevyn | jair: you can do that |
| 01:48.46 | jair | nevyn: now do you backup the whole VG? do you need to back up the disks somewhere?? |
| 01:48.54 | nevyn | but I think if you've got three spindles it might be a good idea to move your homedirectory onto a redundant mirror |
| 01:49.29 | jair | redundant mirror <=== I don't understand what do you mean?? |
| 01:49.38 | jair | alright |
| 01:49.46 | jair | redundant yes |
| 01:49.56 | jair | and morror same copy of the info on the disk |
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| 01:51.54 | asarch | Why the name "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD" with the "k" letter? |
| 01:51.54 | jair | nevyn: how will you backup this drives? |
| 01:52.18 | asarch | And why not "Debian GNU/kNetBSD"? |
| 01:52.54 | downix | ok, now I'm trying to find my ip address |
| 01:53.04 | downix | I feel so rusty |
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| 01:53.49 | irgm | is there a difference between sharing a printer via cups or samba? |
| 01:54.06 | abrotman | asarch: one would assume because it uses the freebsd kernel .. not the netbsd one |
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| 01:54.25 | mythomaniac | is there a way to specify a user (other then adding them to mount) in fstab to be able to mount a second hd? |
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| 01:56.02 | karsten | mythomaniac: sudo |
| 01:56.17 | phycho | hey guys, i have a linux box thats just had a replacement nic fitted, and eth0 doesnt show up |
| 01:56.24 | phycho | however its listed under lspci |
| 01:56.31 | phycho | is there any reason for this/how do i go about fixing it? |
| 01:56.34 | karsten | mythomaniac: Or somewhat less tersely: provide them with explicit permissions in sudo to mount a given device. |
| 01:57.05 | karsten | phycho: You probably need to load the appropriate driver for it. What's the lspci line and/or card spec? |
| 01:57.07 | mythomaniac | karsten: yes well i have set the options in fstab as user - so the user can mount it without sudo command, however - id like to specify the user - more then one use on system |
| 01:58.01 | karsten | mythomaniac: sudo |
| 01:58.16 | mythomaniac | lol k |
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| 02:01.01 | nevyn | jzif? |
| 02:01.06 | nevyn | jair? |
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| 02:02.12 | jair | nevyn: yes? |
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| 02:04.21 | jair | nevyn: ??? |
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| 02:07.44 | jbm | hmm.. |
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| 02:10.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Weird... I can do ssh 127.0.0.1 but I can't access this computer from the rest of the network |
| 02:11.32 | jbm | um. |
| 02:11.38 | abrotman | firewall |
| 02:11.39 | jbm | why would that imply that you could access it from anywhere else? |
| 02:11.50 | jbm | your machine could very well be unplugged and you could do that. |
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| 02:12.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | well... Behind the router, everything should be open :/ |
| 02:12.12 | sharp15 | i may be missunderstanding, but is it possible to install emacs as a command line application on debian? i tried "apt-get install emacs" and it keeps trying to install x11-common, and some other portions of X. |
| 02:12.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | jbm: Well, it's not, neither is the other |
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| 02:12.59 | jbm | i'm just saying, the fact that you can ssh to 127.0.0.1 says absolutely nothing about anything related to communicating with other machines |
| 02:13.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Actually, there is something strange here |
| 02:13.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | doing nmap -sP 192.168.0.* |
| 02:13.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Shows all computers except this one |
| 02:13.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Five other hosts |
| 02:14.05 | jbm | what does ifconfig tell you? |
| 02:14.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | For some reason, this one isn't answering... yet it is obviously connected, since I'm online |
| 02:14.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | It shows my LAN IP |
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| 02:15.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | jbm: Wait, bastille installs a firewall, right? |
| 02:15.55 | jbm | probably. |
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| 02:16.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | jbm: Hmm... that might be it |
| 02:16.18 | jbm | and it may turn off icmp replies too |
| 02:16.21 | jbm | which would explain the ping weirdness. |
| 02:18.07 | twiggz | yes, bastille does. |
| 02:18.25 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: firewall |
| 02:18.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Weird. When I start bastille, perl starts eating up CPU cycles |
| 02:18.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | How else do I disable bastille's firewall? |
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| 02:23.49 | mick_home | hi everyone, i'm trying to get my bcm43xx wifi card working, so far i'm following: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff (i know i'm running debian and i'm following ubuntu docs...) -- i've gotten pretty far (i'm at modprobe ndiswrapper) -- problem is that it won't load :( |
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| 02:24.12 | abrotman | you don't need ndiswrapper usually |
| 02:24.13 | zwerg | Hi there. |
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| 02:24.42 | zwerg | How do I prevent /tmp from being cleaned at startup? |
| 02:25.02 | abrotman | zwerg: edit the script that cleans it on boot |
| 02:25.20 | twiggz | i have a gateway laptop with a broadcom bcmxx v4 chipset that wont set up with the etch netinstall....i think its more a problem with my modem...it coughed at xubuntu through 20 or 30 retrys and finally got a dhcp reply... |
| 02:26.04 | twiggz | is there any way to tell the install to wait longer for a reply from the modem? |
| 02:26.12 | dondelelcaro | zwerg: you can also change TMPTIME in /etc/rcS to be some number > 0; though you really do want to clean out /tmp from time to time. |
| 02:26.24 | dondelelcaro | (and doing it at startup is the only time that you can safely clean /tmp) |
| 02:26.56 | twiggz | or is it possible to tell the modem to speed up its reply? |
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| 02:27.33 | twiggz | i shut down both other machines connected to the modem hoping that would make a difference in its reply speed ..it didnt..i didnt see any options in the modems setup page either. |
| 02:27.37 | Night-Fire | hey guys n gals |
| 02:27.44 | mick_home | it says something about fwcutter -- what is that? |
| 02:28.15 | Night-Fire | got a question about top, I seem to be showing very large load usage and yet cpu load "looks" low. |
| 02:28.25 | mick_home | abrotman: what would the alternative be? |
| 02:28.28 | Night-Fire | Cpu0 : 5.3%us, 9.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 59.6%id, 24.5%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.3%si, 0.0%st |
| 02:28.29 | Night-Fire | Cpu1 : 3.0%us, 24.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 10.7%id, 21.3%wa, 39.1%hi, 1.5%si, 0.0%st |
| 02:28.32 | zwerg | Uh, I overlookes rcS. Thanks -.- |
| 02:28.47 | zwerg | overlooked |
| 02:29.07 | Night-Fire | what does the abriviated letters next to the usage mean |
| 02:29.38 | jbm | giyf |
| 02:29.47 | abrotman | mick_hom1: ? |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | mick_home: ? |
| 02:29.52 | Night-Fire | any one? |
| 02:30.04 | abrotman | Night-Fire: which ones ? |
| 02:30.27 | Night-Fire | us, sy, ni, id, wa, hi, si - what do each stand for? |
| 02:30.42 | Night-Fire | as my load average is REALLY high |
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| 02:30.55 | mick_home | abrotman: to using ndiswrappers |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | Night-Fire: lots of wait |
| 02:31.57 | Night-Fire | Pardon?? |
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| 02:33.01 | abrotman | Night-Fire: that output is from 'top' ? |
| 02:33.17 | Night-Fire | yes |
| 02:33.30 | abrotman | i'd think man top would explain them |
| 02:33.36 | Night-Fire | didnt |
| 02:33.39 | Night-Fire | loooked there |
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| 02:33.59 | zwerg | Guessing: user, system, nice, id, wait |
| 02:34.08 | zwerg | id = idle |
| 02:34.25 | abrotman | hi would be hibernate perhaps |
| 02:35.22 | Night-Fire | yea there doesnt seem to have them in the man |
| 02:35.29 | abrotman | maybe info ? |
| 02:35.41 | pace17 | ive been yelled at for being off topic before but is asking the group about the region theyre from off topic, out of curiosity |
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| 02:35.53 | abrotman | pace17: yeah .. mostly :) |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | pace17: /whois .. wondeful tool |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | pace17: GO SOX! |
| 02:36.17 | pace17 | my sentiments exactly ;) |
| 02:36.17 | Dewi | pace17: don't advertise your OTness |
| 02:36.26 | Night-Fire | lol |
| 02:36.29 | Dewi | pace17: you'll bring the zealots out of the woodwork :) |
| 02:36.32 | GuHhH | how do i know if a virus was scanned by clamav when im using postfix + amavis + clamav + spamassassin? mail.log, syslog? can someone help? |
| 02:36.34 | pace17 | i dont know what OT means but id imagine it means newb? |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | Dewi: DIE! :) |
| 02:36.38 | Dewi | pace17: off-topic |
| 02:36.48 | pace17 | oh, ok sorry guys |
| 02:37.42 | abrotman | pace17: GO SOX! |
| 02:37.55 | pace17 | haha i got it the first time, and yes i am a fan |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | pace17: GO SOX! |
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| 02:38.28 | pace17 | !version |
| 02:38.28 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 02:38.40 | abrotman | pace17: you can also "/msg dpkg version" |
| 02:38.52 | pace17 | im not sure i did the right thing |
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| 02:39.10 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:39.19 | pace17 | i was wondering which versions were on currently for stable and beta but figured there would be a "!" for it |
| 02:39.35 | pace17 | is it still sarge and etch? |
| 02:39.39 | abrotman | 4.0r1 for etch |
| 02:39.44 | mick_home | i'm banging my head at this point |
| 02:39.45 | Dewi | pace17: no, etch went stable in april. new testing is lenny |
| 02:39.46 | abrotman | oh .. sarge is oldstable .. etch is stable |
| 02:40.09 | Dewi | (see topic :) |
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| 02:40.27 | mick_home | i think i'll move to try to configure the webcam :-/ |
| 02:40.29 | zwerg | People around here tend not to know about american baseball so they wondered why I walked around with a hat promoting "Sex". |
| 02:40.40 | pace17 | i wonder if this works... |
| 02:40.43 | pace17 | !topic |
| 02:40.48 | pace17 | apparently not |
| 02:41.10 | zwerg | pace17: Try /topic. |
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| 02:41.41 | mick_home | the uvc webcam driver (linux-source-uvc...) doesn't seem to have any docs as to how to configure it (nothing when i stfw or look in /usr/share/doc/...) -- can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 02:41.44 | pace17 | heh, this is not #ubuntu |
| 02:41.54 | mick_home | preferably to the FM so I may R it ;) |
| 02:42.32 | mick_home | pace17: you lost? if so just /j #ubuntu ;) |
| 02:42.40 | zimmo | i have a problem with my hard disk ok? it has bad blocks and e2fsck does not help me |
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| 02:43.11 | zimmo | if i install the businesscard version of debian it would be better? |
| 02:43.18 | Wyzard | zimmo: If your hard drive is failing then you should replace it to avoid data loss |
| 02:43.37 | zimmo | i have no system at all, i am only running livecds by now |
| 02:43.37 | abrotman | darn logic! |
| 02:43.40 | zimmo | i am at dream linux |
| 02:44.04 | Wyzard | zimmo: but you'll have data loss if you install a system on that hard drive |
| 02:44.09 | Wyzard | zimmo: It's broken and it's only going to get worse |
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| 02:44.22 | mick_home | pace17: or do you think i'm on ubuntu? |
| 02:44.35 | zimmo | Wyzard so the only way is to buy another hard disk...? |
| 02:44.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:44.51 | Wyzard | zimmo: If it's under warranty you can get it replaced for free by the manufacturer |
| 02:44.54 | Wyzard | Otherwise, buy a new one |
| 02:44.57 | pace17 | mick_home, to be honest i am a ubuntu user but i wish i was a debian user, im just not leet enough. i do, however, like to lurk the room and i feel stupid everytime i "OT" |
| 02:45.02 | Wyzard | It's stupid to install an OS on a hard drive you know is defective |
| 02:45.04 | abrotman | well .. not the only way .. but certainly the smartest |
| 02:45.07 | zimmo | it is very old... 40gb |
| 02:45.10 | mick_home | pace17: heh |
| 02:45.13 | pace17 | no, mick_home, i was laughing at myself because of "/topic" |
| 02:45.17 | zimmo | ok abrotman |
| 02:45.19 | mick_home | ah ok |
| 02:45.20 | Wyzard | Then it's not under warranty anymore... buy a new one |
| 02:45.35 | abrotman | zimmo: you're going to lose data if you continue using that drive |
| 02:45.40 | Wyzard | Installing an OS on that hard drive now is like moving into a house that's built on a sinkhole |
| 02:45.40 | zimmo | ok |
| 02:45.44 | Wyzard | You *know* it's going to fall down |
| 02:45.59 | zimmo | hehe |
| 02:46.04 | zimmo | let me just confirm it... |
| 02:46.09 | abrotman | Wyzard: there's a chance the house could stay intact after falling in the hole .. his data isn't that safe :) |
| 02:46.17 | zimmo | because all the linux installations fails |
| 02:46.33 | mick_home | anyone know how to setup the uvc webcam driver under debian? i'm at a loss for words that i'm not finding any docs |
| 02:46.34 | zimmo | but without accusing any error, you know, they simply just stop |
| 02:47.00 | pace17 | is there a review that makes note of the intuitively obvious changes between sarge and etch? |
| 02:47.15 | abrotman | pace17: the rleease notes |
| 02:47.53 | zimmo | and then i change to the f1 screen, the terminal, and it says there are bad blocks |
| 02:48.01 | zimmo | but the installation itself says nothing |
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| 02:48.53 | zimmo | in all linux cds... i have kubuntu, debian full, debian netinst, dreamlinux, and i would download the businesscard tomorrow but now i am willing to buy another hard disk |
| 02:49.34 | Wyzard | zimmo: You can run the "badblocks" program from a liveCD to check the drive for errors |
| 02:49.38 | pace17 | is compiz a bona fide GUI or is it used in conjunction with gnome or KDE |
| 02:49.40 | Wyzard | but it sounds like that's not necessary |
| 02:49.41 | twiggz | dreamlinux is beautiful. |
| 02:49.52 | zimmo | Wyzard: i did tried it with the e2fsck -c |
| 02:49.52 | twiggz | its default layout gives me a damn hard on. |
| 02:49.57 | twiggz | for real. |
| 02:49.58 | zimmo | it says my disk is CLEAR! |
| 02:50.07 | sayers | zimmo, lies? |
| 02:50.11 | Wyzard | pace17: compiz is a window manager... GNOME and KDE are entire desktop environments, of which a window manager is a small part |
| 02:50.19 | sayers | Fluxbox :D |
| 02:50.25 | pace17 | thank you wyzard |
| 02:50.29 | Wyzard | zimmo: That's not a bad-sector scan |
| 02:50.49 | zimmo | thats what they said me in the kubuntu channel |
| 02:50.54 | zimmo | what would be the best solution? |
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| 02:51.06 | Wyzard | like I said, the badblocks program |
| 02:51.09 | zimmo | i have find this solution at the linux forums too |
| 02:51.14 | Wyzard | That tests every sector on the drive |
| 02:51.15 | zimmo | i have found sorry* |
| 02:51.33 | Wyzard | e2fsck is for checking a *filesystem* for errors, which only involves accessing a relatively small fraction of the physical sectors |
| 02:51.34 | mick_home | https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/linux-uvc-devel/2006-April/000430.html <--- "people have suggested adding a howto to the uvc debian package, they will not be added though" |
| 02:51.40 | mick_home | someone.... shoot.... me..... |
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| 02:51.48 | Wyzard | it'd be useful if you had data on the drive that you were trying to recover, but not for checking whether the drive is physically defective |
| 02:52.01 | zimmo | Wyzard: and what would be a bad sector scan |
| 02:52.14 | Wyzard | zimmo: For the third time, the badblocks program |
| 02:52.23 | zimmo | Sorry1 |
| 02:53.02 | zimmo | Ok, moment. |
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| 02:55.34 | MeNsuzeDa | #1 on google!!!! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=septic+tank+treatment+free+trial Check us out www.septicsavior.com |
| 02:56.18 | abrotman | what the fuck |
| 02:56.33 | Wyzard | lovely... someone's evidently sending spam using my domain in the sender address |
| 02:56.41 | Wyzard | I have about 40 bounce messages in my inbox |
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| 02:56.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: that doesn't stop it |
| 02:57.19 | Wyzard | It would if the receivers would do SPF checks |
| 02:57.30 | Wyzard | and hopefully use of SPF will increase, rather than decrease, over time |
| 02:57.36 | Wyzard | I can at least do my part |
| 02:57.49 | dondelelcaro | the problem is that it's trivial to set up SPF |
| 02:58.00 | dondelelcaro | so there's an awful lot of spam that does |
| 02:58.24 | Wyzard | sure, but at least they wouldn't be able to pretend it's from my domain |
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| 02:58.48 | dondelelcaro | yeah; it does have the potential to stop joejobs |
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| 02:59.47 | maxamillion | when my machine is booting and it says 'Starting MTA: ' ... what's MTA stand for? |
| 02:59.55 | Wyzard | Mail Transfer Agent |
| 02:59.57 | Wyzard | That's exim |
| 03:00.08 | Wyzard | the SMTP server |
| 03:00.20 | maxamillion | ahhh, that's why it stalls for so long |
| 03:00.33 | maxamillion | thanks |
| 03:00.41 | Wyzard | It shouldn't take more than a second or two |
| 03:00.45 | Wyzard | No, don't uninstall it |
| 03:00.54 | Wyzard | It's used for local mail (like from daemons to you) |
| 03:00.58 | maxamillion | ahhhh |
| 03:00.59 | maxamillion | ok |
| 03:01.13 | Wyzard | if it stalls for a long time it usually means it's trying to do a reverse-DNS lookup of the machine's hostname and failing |
| 03:01.15 | maxamillion | it is a short pause, but in comparison to everything else its a long one |
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| 03:01.28 | Wyzard | which can be resolved by fixing /etc/hosts |
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| 03:01.35 | maxamillion | never more than maybe 2-5 seconds |
| 03:01.44 | zimmo2 | i did not understand the badblocks usage for my purpous Wyzard |
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| 03:02.11 | Wyzard | If you rename the machine and forget to update /etc/hosts, it won't be able to look up the new name there, so it can stall for 30 seconds or more |
| 03:02.23 | Wyzard | 2-5 seconds is no big deal, though it shouldn't really take that long either |
| 03:02.44 | maxamillion | Wyzard: ah, it had the old static ip entry in there ... thanks :) |
| 03:03.02 | Wyzard | zimmo: Just run badblocks on the device file for your hard drive (/dev/hda or whatever) |
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| 03:03.24 | zimmo | okay |
| 03:03.25 | Wyzard | zimmo: If there's no important data on the drive, use the "-w" option, which does a more thorough test but has the side effect of erasing the drive |
| 03:03.43 | zimmo | there is no data, i will try it |
| 03:03.48 | Wyzard | The "-v" and "-s" options give you progress information, which is useful since it can take a long time |
| 03:03.57 | zimmo | also important |
| 03:04.20 | zimmo | i will try badblocks -wv /dev/hda1 |
| 03:04.33 | zimmo | what is the command to see the existing hard disks? |
| 03:04.38 | zimmo | /proc/... |
| 03:05.40 | mick_home | you know from my experience w/ my new laptop -- i believe this is the year of desktop linux |
| 03:05.41 | dondelelcaro | partitions |
| 03:05.47 | mick_home | lol... |
| 03:05.49 | zimmo | okay |
| 03:06.06 | zimmo | thtas it... i will try it and keep the irssi open |
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| 03:08.53 | pace17 | mick_home what type of laptop did you get and from where |
| 03:09.02 | derek_ | I am on a debian system I just installed and am wanting to configure wireless. Could anybody point me towards a tutorial or walk me through getting it installed. It is a rt2500 chipset (rt2570 to be exact) and worked in Gentoo (using wireless-tools (iwconfig)) so it should work in Debian I believe. I am completely unfamiliar with Debian and am assuming I have to do something with m-a and then modprobe the driver. |
| 03:09.14 | mick_home | hp dv6000 - circuit city |
| 03:09.30 | mick_home | i've waited months on my "rebate" from them |
| 03:09.38 | pace17 | is that the amd turion system with 2gb |
| 03:09.40 | pace17 | ? |
| 03:09.55 | mick_home | iirc - yes |
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| 03:10.41 | mick_home | vista doesn't run on it (it crashes a LOT -- blue screens every 30min or so) |
| 03:10.55 | pace17 | i wanted to get one from best buy but i missed the sale so i bought a celeron 2.4 ghz with 256 mb of ram for $150 |
| 03:11.01 | pace17 | needs a wireless card i think though |
| 03:11.03 | mick_home | acpi support needs to be turned off for linux |
| 03:11.11 | Supaplex | derek_: is the module loaded? |
| 03:11.16 | pace17 | i forget what acpi is |
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| 03:11.25 | mick_home | pace17: for $150 - wow |
| 03:11.34 | derek_ | supaplex: No, I haven't done anything since I reinstalled Debian except apt-get install xchat |
| 03:11.34 | Wyzard | mick_hom1: A modern system with non-working ACPI? |
| 03:11.40 | mick_home | advanced power control |
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| 03:11.54 | pace17 | mick_home im not sure its fully functional yet but well see........ acpi: oh right |
| 03:12.26 | mick_home | ya, the hp stuff just makes hald crash if it is enabled |
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| 03:12.40 | Wyzard | weird |
| 03:12.44 | mick_home | so sometimes my laptop just dies (since i don't know when the battery is dead) |
| 03:13.02 | Wyzard | That's not good... running a lithium-ion battery down completely is bad for it |
| 03:13.09 | mick_home | i have found a lot of problems w/ this laptop - i wouldn't recommend it |
| 03:13.24 | pace17 | wow........ i was ready to buy one |
| 03:13.38 | mick_home | well for linux it is "ok" - not great |
| 03:13.46 | mick_home | thinkpads are great |
| 03:13.51 | Wyzard | I wouldn't call it even "OK" if ACPI is completely broken |
| 03:14.08 | mick_home | well - it works better than if you want vista |
| 03:14.10 | Supaplex | derek_: look for the ralink drivers in m-a. apt-get install m-a build-essential. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi has some info to. |
| 03:14.11 | Wyzard | especially not on a laptop where power management is essential |
| 03:14.17 | mick_home | vista is hopeless |
| 03:14.24 | Supaplex | derek_: and apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 03:14.40 | mick_home | Supaplex: was that for me? |
| 03:15.08 | pace17 | does 4.1 make things easier for idiots? |
| 03:15.23 | Supaplex | mick_home: I addressed derek_, so no. |
| 03:16.26 | jbm | thinkpads are excellent for deb. and thinkwiki.org is nice. |
| 03:16.27 | derek_ | Supaplex, I just aptitude install m-a build-essential . How would I look for ralink drivers now? |
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| 03:16.43 | Supaplex | derek_: run m-a |
| 03:16.53 | derek_ | Supaplex, It says command not found. |
| 03:17.06 | Supaplex | !+info m-a etch |
| 03:17.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:17.10 | dpkg | Package 'm-a' does not exist. |
| 03:17.16 | Supaplex | !+info module-assistant etch |
| 03:17.20 | dpkg | module-assistant: (tool to make module package creation easier), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.10.8 (etch), Packaged size: 73 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 03:17.36 | Supaplex | derek_: ahh. install module-assistant |
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| 03:20.11 | mick_home | brb - i think i may have wifi working |
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| 03:21.20 | derek_ | Supaplex, Ok, I have iwconfig recognizing the wireless device. Where should I configure this? I'm connecting with WPA 128 and it's in the C9BAABAblahblah form (I think 32 characters, hex?). |
| 03:22.16 | Wyzard | derek_: If you use KDE or GNOME, take a look at network-manager (and its UI frontends network-manager-gnome and network-manager-kde) |
| 03:22.29 | Supaplex | derek_: did you read the wiki url I gave you? |
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| 03:28.45 | lunk | ummm, what? |
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| 03:29.00 | maxamillion | !ops |
| 03:29.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 03:30.04 | maxamillion | thank you LoRez |
| 03:30.08 | lunk | thanks |
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| 03:30.48 | Rusty1 | thanks maxamillion |
| 03:31.19 | cerulean` | looks like some sort of slavic poetry. |
| 03:31.22 | Noborusan | can anyone recommended a tool for me for debian,something like phpnuke |
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| 03:34.04 | linux2 | anyone here know if the debian sparc install disk will boot from openboot 4.3? |
| 03:34.08 | linux2 | i cannot seem to get it to work |
| 03:34.22 | SideGhost | any body can help me?? |
| 03:34.38 | Supaplex | !tell SideGhost -about ask |
| 03:34.51 | SideGhost | i have problem with printer driver n scanner |
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| 03:35.38 | SideGhost | my office use canon LBP-1210, Pixma IP 1300-1700, Epson LX 300+ |
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| 03:35.50 | SideGhost | and i can't use taht |
| 03:35.52 | SideGhost | and i can't use that] |
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| 03:36.39 | mick_home | so much for that |
| 03:36.52 | SideGhost | hmm |
| 03:36.59 | SideGhost | anybody can help me? |
| 03:37.45 | mick_home | http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx <-- says all i need is "modprobe bcm43xx" |
| 03:38.41 | SideGhost | Supaplex, canu help me? |
| 03:38.47 | SideGhost | Supaplex, can u help me? |
| 03:38.57 | SideGhost | mick_home, can u help me? |
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| 03:39.11 | Supaplex | SideGhost: be patient, I was away for a minute. |
| 03:39.13 | mick_home | just fucking ask you crazy son of a ..... |
| 03:39.24 | Supaplex | he did, but |
| 03:39.24 | mick_home | sorry... i'm taking my frustractions out on you |
| 03:39.29 | Supaplex | !tell SideGhost -about repeat |
| 03:39.59 | Supaplex | SideGhost: anyway, use cups for printing, and sane for scanning. not all hardware is supported. |
| 03:40.18 | SideGhost | hmm |
| 03:40.41 | SideGhost | my office use canon LBP-1210, Pixma IP 1300-1700, Epson LX 300+ |
| 03:40.44 | Supaplex | mick_home: I hear termite can fix your problem. |
| 03:40.47 | Supaplex | !thermite |
| 03:40.47 | dpkg | thermite is probably ask about <sid>, or see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIqC610k1gY |
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| 03:41.03 | SideGhost | cups can support them?? |
| 03:41.13 | Supaplex | SideGhost: that's nice. why not go see if the sane and cups websites support them. |
| 03:43.21 | SideGhost | hmm |
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| 03:46.52 | Bogus8 | can you make ssh ignore "known_hosts"? I have two ssh boxes at my house on seperate ports and it doesn't want to let me into the second one |
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| 03:47.38 | mick_home | just have both listed |
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| 03:48.10 | Bogus8 | mick_home: I can't understand which is which... it used to be very obvious it looks encrypted now |
| 03:48.32 | Bogus8 | |1|CG1ClbjIK3mNttZGu+SATTYnzE4=| |
| 03:48.37 | Bogus8 | that sort of thing as the "header" |
| 03:48.51 | mick_home | just remove them both |
| 03:48.56 | mick_home | then connect |
| 03:49.01 | Wyzard | Bogus8: They're hashed so that malicous code running on your system can't look at that file and learn what other machines you log into |
| 03:49.15 | Wyzard | Bogus8: You can put "HashKnownHosts no" in ~/.ssh/config if you don't want that behavior, though |
| 03:49.21 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: anyway to figure out which is which? |
| 03:49.30 | Bogus8 | ok... cool |
| 03:49.40 | Bogus8 | yeah, I used to just add mutliple when I could |
| 03:50.02 | Bogus8 | I have 10 in there so I really don't want to kill the whole file |
| 03:50.05 | Wyzard | Bogus8: You could hash the name of the machine you want to check for, and see if the result is in the file, but I don't know the details of the algorithm used |
| 03:50.56 | Bogus8 | I guess I just have to kill the file after I turn hash to no |
| 03:51.03 | Bogus8 | so I can get a new set w/o hashes |
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| 03:52.39 | Noborusan | can anyone suggest me a CMS system for debian ? |
| 03:53.20 | Supaplex | vim |
| 03:54.06 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 03:54.38 | Bogus8 | but back to the original question... is it possible to tell ssh to ignore the fact that the known host isn't "known" or is different? |
| 03:55.43 | Wyzard | If a host isn't known, it asks you whether it's OK to connect to it |
| 03:55.53 | Wyzard | and if you say yes, it adds it to known_hosts so you won't be asked again |
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| 03:55.56 | Wyzard | What's wrong with that? |
| 03:56.06 | mick_home | Noborusan: joomla |
| 03:56.44 | Noborusan | mick_home, i just need a simple one,better it obeys to w3c standard |
| 03:56.46 | Supaplex | Wyzard: he has multiple machines behind nat, and uses port forwarding |
| 03:56.54 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: nothing... unless it's a "conflict" like I have now |
| 03:56.59 | mick_home | Bogus8: echo "HashKnownHosts no" >> ~/.ssh/config |
| 03:57.01 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 03:57.15 | Bogus8 | mick_home: digging to that now... thanks |
| 03:57.16 | Wyzard | and unfortunately, known_hosts entries don't use a port number |
| 03:57.17 | mick_home | Noborusan: rotfl - good luck :) |
| 03:57.31 | Wyzard | dunno about that, sorry |
| 03:58.03 | mick_home | Noborusan: simple and w3 compliant are difficult w/o editing the default templates |
| 03:58.16 | Bogus8 | true even multiple names on one host won't help with muiltple servers... that's only for like if I'm local or outside the NAT |
| 03:58.17 | mick_home | Noborusan: the problem is that everyone makes a cms |
| 03:58.34 | Noborusan | ok |
| 03:58.54 | mick_home | 1,000+ results come from sf.net (when searching for cms) |
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| 04:00.18 | Noborusan | mick_home, Thanks |
| 04:00.32 | mick_home | thing is they all suck |
| 04:00.33 | Rusty1 | Noborusan: if you have a programming language you know well, try googling it and cms |
| 04:00.55 | Noborusan | okay. |
| 04:01.02 | mick_home | Noborusan: there is a site that lets you try out a bunch of cmses |
| 04:01.06 | Noborusan | well,by the way,does anyone know snort ? |
| 04:01.18 | mick_home | i use aide |
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| 04:02.21 | Supaplex | !anyone use snort |
| 04:02.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses snort, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:02.26 | Noborusan | mick_home, would you tell me where is that site for cms to try ? |
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| 04:02.48 | Supaplex | Noborusan: try asking what you want to know about snort |
| 04:03.02 | mick_home | http://www.opensourcecms.com/ |
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| 04:04.33 | Noborusan | hi Supaplex i would like to know, apt-get install snort,then download the newest rules then run snort -c snort.conf,and that is all ? |
| 04:04.42 | Noborusan | mick_home, Thank you. |
| 04:05.12 | Supaplex | my snort box isn't physically accessible right this moment. I don't recall. |
| 04:05.19 | tsocks | !rtfm |
| 04:05.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 04:07.57 | Supaplex | my goodness. does usb require an irq? |
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| 04:09.02 | Supaplex | acpi bug I suspect. ffs asus |
| 04:12.51 | Supaplex | gah |
| 04:13.57 | onats | help, i can't get screen resolution higher than 640x480.. its the only available choice on the screen resolution utility... |
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| 04:14.47 | onats | i've already run dpkg-reconfigure and included the other resolutions... |
| 04:14.51 | onats | what could be the problem? |
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| 04:16.56 | wert613_ | ahah mycat is my poor mans rumple pack |
| 04:17.05 | wert613_ | rumble |
| 04:17.08 | derek_ | How do I get tor and privoxy working in Debian? |
| 04:17.50 | derek_ | And I want to remove every desktop manager except KDE. What do I do to do that? |
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| 04:18.30 | Uncle_Muscle | lol |
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| 04:20.12 | Supaplex | derek_: is tor or privoxy installed? |
| 04:20.16 | Supaplex | !tell derek_ -about search |
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| 04:21.50 | derek_ | Supaplex, privoxy installs correctly but tor says this: Package tor is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 04:22.07 | Supaplex | !+info tor etch |
| 04:22.08 | dpkg | Package 'tor' does not exist. |
| 04:22.12 | Supaplex | !+info tor lenny |
| 04:22.14 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:22.24 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.2.16-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 942 kB, Installed size: 1956 kB |
| 04:22.37 | Supaplex | !tell derek_ -about backports |
| 04:22.50 | Supaplex | derek_: you're running etch/stable, right? |
| 04:23.05 | derek_ | I believe so. I just downloaded the net install so I'm guessing that's stable. |
| 04:23.32 | tsocks | Supaplex: is any website containing some commands for dpkg bot? |
| 04:23.38 | tsocks | Supaplex: sorry about my english ;( |
| 04:23.59 | Supaplex | tsocks: /msg dpkg help |
| 04:24.09 | Crypticfortune | yay! the boost maintainers finally gave up the silly -st extension thing! (rejoices) |
| 04:24.14 | tsocks | Supaplex: thanks ;-) |
| 04:24.56 | Supaplex | Crypticfortune: huh? |
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| 04:25.48 | tsocks | :D |
| 04:26.19 | linux2 | anyone else here use debian on a sparc system? |
| 04:26.28 | linux2 | it keeps locking up at booting linux... |
| 04:26.34 | linux2 | no matter what distro I use |
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| 04:27.13 | Crypticfortune | Supaplex: the version of boost in unstable used to eliminat the boost libraries like libboost-regex and required that you specified libboost-regex-st or libboost-regex-mt (for single thread or multithread). i thought it was a very silly and annoying change. they finally put it back to normal... |
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| 04:30.55 | Noborusan | i think it may lead to some security risk by using some kind of CMS system rather than just HTML it ? |
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| 04:33.19 | MTecknology | is it possible to convert Ubuntu to Debian w/o losing anything? |
| 04:33.25 | MTecknology | or will I need to go through a full reinstall? |
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| 04:34.10 | Supaplex | MTecknology: how much free diskspace do you have right now? |
| 04:34.25 | MTecknology | right about 30G |
| 04:35.34 | MTecknology | I'm using about 3.8G now |
| 04:35.35 | Supaplex | MTecknology: you could mkdir /ubuntu, and from a live cd move /* /ubuntu - then install as normal, taking care to not format the filesystem. then you'll have anything you'll need w/o loosing it. |
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| 04:36.03 | MTecknology | alrighty |
| 04:36.06 | Supaplex | MTecknology: that mv is relative to the disk of course. |
| 04:36.18 | MTecknology | I'm not sure if i'm going to, but considering |
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| 04:36.23 | Supaplex | eg, mv /mnt/* /mnt/ubuntu (if you choose to mount at /mnt) |
| 04:36.40 | MTecknology | i got ya on that :) |
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| 04:37.18 | MTecknology | i want to get my stylus to work - but i don't think any distro will do it |
| 04:37.33 | Supaplex | which stylus is it? |
| 04:37.44 | MTecknology | fujitsu finepoint |
| 04:37.54 | MTecknology | can't remember exactly |
| 04:37.55 | Supaplex | never heard of that one |
| 04:38.02 | MTecknology | it sucks |
| 04:38.23 | Supaplex | i'm enamored again over sucky hardware |
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| 04:39.06 | MTecknology | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=497879 |
| 04:39.57 | derek | How do I get flash working with Etch? I looked in the wiki looks like it's only available for Lenny (which I'm thinking about moving too considering a lot of the stuff I want I have to backport) |
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| 04:42.15 | Crypticfortune | derek_: if you want a 100% working flash, i recommend you use the official one from adobe (download and follow their instructions, very simple) |
| 04:42.58 | tsocks | Crypticfortune: is it free? |
| 04:43.25 | Supaplex | tsocks: $0 but not FOSS |
| 04:43.26 | Crypticfortune | tsocks: not free as in beer free, but free as acrobat reader free |
| 04:43.52 | tsocks | Supaplex: ;( |
| 04:43.52 | dondelelcaro | if you're lucky, gnash will do what you want. Otherwise, try clive |
| 04:44.03 | tsocks | Supaplex: free like "Opera" ? |
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| 04:44.40 | nevyn | derek_: or just install it from non-free |
| 04:44.57 | nevyn | don't use their instructions |
| 04:44.58 | MTecknology | how is the support for Tablet PC's in Debian compared to Debian? |
| 04:45.07 | dondelelcaro | the same |
| 04:45.11 | nevyn | Excellent |
| 04:45.22 | dondelelcaro | comparitive tautologies are easy. |
| 04:45.28 | tsocks | sorry ;( |
| 04:45.37 | nevyn | tsocks: we really don't care |
| 04:45.54 | tsocks | nevyn: why ? |
| 04:46.04 | nevyn | what you're playing |
| 04:46.08 | Crypticfortune | derek_: yeah, actually looks like flashplugin-nonfree actually uses the adobe version. so yeah, no reason to download on your own... |
| 04:46.12 | MTecknology | nevyn, that "Excellent" was to me? |
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| 04:46.32 | nevyn | yeah... you asked a compartive tautology |
| 04:46.42 | nevyn | ?I was being sarcastic |
| 04:46.43 | dondelelcaro | MTecknology: reread your question, and try asking what you meant to ask. |
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| 04:47.06 | tsocks | nevyn: uff... you're a little stupid ... don't you see i said "sorry ;(" ? i wrote the wrong command ... |
| 04:47.29 | derek_ | "Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package." |
| 04:47.32 | nevyn | time is relative |
| 04:47.47 | nevyn | time on irc doubly so |
| 04:48.10 | slept | i got a problem with my laptop battery it doesn't charge anymore. it is "charged" with 0% . Is there a value i can set to uncharged or sth like that ? |
| 04:48.30 | MTecknology | I use Ubuntu currently. I've noticed that Debian supports RAID better than Ubuntu. In the case of Ubuntu my Fujitsu Finepoint device doesn't work right. I can only get it to track across the screen, it won't actually click. If I switch to Debian, can I figure these issues will be solved? |
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| 04:49.11 | MTecknology | dondelelcaro, i see where that was a moronic statement too :P |
| 04:49.21 | MTecknology | i meant compared to Ubuntu |
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| 04:49.40 | Supaplex | humm 292 days w/o /dev/hdd4 being checked. I guess it's time to fsck it. :) |
| 04:50.10 | nevyn | filesystems should never need checking for the sake of being checked |
| 04:50.44 | Crypticfortune | nevyn: ZFS has no fsck ^^ |
| 04:51.53 | Supaplex | !tell Gm4n-away -about away |
| 04:52.15 | Supaplex | nevyn: keep telling yourself that when you filesystem vanishes :) |
| 04:53.02 | Supaplex | s/you/your/ |
| 04:53.25 | MTecknology | any answer to that question above? |
| 04:54.08 | Supaplex | MTecknology: one can hope... |
| 04:54.26 | Crypticfortune | MTecknology: do you have contrib/non-free in your sources.list? |
| 04:54.55 | MTecknology | Crypticfortune, ya - if by that you mean in Ubuntu |
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| 04:55.42 | Crypticfortune | MTecknology: oh wait, sorry, i thought your question was derek's. ignore that... |
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| 04:57.28 | MTecknology | perhaps I should go to debian anyway? |
| 04:57.36 | MTecknology | just to try it out? |
| 04:57.37 | nevyn | Supaplex: filesystems are getting so large that it's not really feasable to check them |
| 04:57.41 | PointyPumper | where can i find some help with iptables things? |
| 04:57.51 | MTecknology | idk if I have a partition to spare though - I'd have to extend them |
| 04:58.01 | nevyn | I have filesystems larger than a terabyte at home |
| 04:58.13 | epsilon | PointyPumper: netfilter.org for general docs - looking for something special? |
| 04:58.15 | nevyn | fsck takes forever.. |
| 04:58.32 | MTecknology | nevyn, i've had good luck w/ its speed |
| 04:58.53 | MTecknology | especially compared to a defrag or chkdsk |
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| 05:00.38 | Supaplex | yay. pass 2. |
| 05:01.52 | PointyPumper | epsilon, i'm doing dnat and snat on some packets, and using ip route to do some src routing... while using ports opened on the box, this seems to work, but while using dnated ports... it routes everything with the default gw, and not using the policies of ip rule |
| 05:01.56 | Supaplex | nevyn: forget watching a pot boil, or paint dry. just wait on fsck ;) hehe |
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| 05:02.53 | PointyPumper | and, the worst thing, is that the src ip of the outgoing packets, its the one of the correct interface that should be used to route the packets, but with the src mac address of another interface and dst mac address of an incorrect router |
| 05:03.18 | PointyPumper | tryed with mark and with source routing, both of em failed |
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| 05:03.23 | PointyPumper | (in this scenario) |
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| 05:04.37 | PointyPumper | sory, bad english, and i get nervous with so many people looking at me (?) |
| 05:04.52 | epsilon | only 692 |
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| 05:06.06 | PointyPumper | and all the ones who google something that i wrote xD |
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| 05:06.25 | PointyPumper | the thing is, i have two routers DMZing to a third one |
| 05:06.38 | PointyPumper | on the third one i got (wait till i paste on pastebin) |
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| 05:07.33 | Supaplex | heh. 141mb free on hdd4, and it's only 2% fragormented. :) 120gb. |
| 05:07.48 | PointyPumper | http://pastebin.ca/665259 |
| 05:07.49 | PointyPumper | here |
| 05:07.55 | PointyPumper | those fw and routing rules |
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| 05:08.51 | PointyPumper | when i do ssh to one of the external ips... there is no problem, if it comes from router A or router B, it works as it should (routing the outgoing packets acordint to the source) |
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| 05:09.11 | sarixe | i can't get audacity to record anything, and i have no idea why. it was working perfectly yesterday. |
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| 05:09.27 | PointyPumper | but, when i telnet the port 9999, the packet reaches the pc behind nat, the packet then goes back to the third router |
| 05:09.29 | PointyPumper | BUT |
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| 05:10.04 | PointyPumper | if it comes from the conection that the routerhas as the default GW, it works, and if it comes from the other conection, the packet gets routed to the default GW |
| 05:10.23 | PointyPumper | with the source ip of the interface that should be used insted |
| 05:10.42 | Sebboh | Hi. I have onboard video, and an AGP card installed. I don't see my onboard video in the lspci output. I have configured my bios to "allocate IRQ to PCI video" and set the shared memory to 32MB. ..What's up with this? |
| 05:10.58 | PointyPumper | it seems that the natted packeets are not going throu the ip rules |
| 05:11.24 | Noborusan | anyone has gotten snort installed ? |
| 05:11.59 | PointyPumper | any idea epsilon? :/ |
| 05:12.07 | Crypticfortune | Sebboh: that usually happens. i've never seen a motherboard that supports using a PCI/AGP video card in addition to the onboard video. |
| 05:12.08 | Sebboh | Pointy, right, isn't NAT itself a rule? It must be being evaluated before the other rules... Can you change the order? |
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| 05:12.44 | Sebboh | Crypticfortune: sure you have.. Your average windows PC with two monitors installed.. |
| 05:12.45 | PointyPumper | i'm doing the nat on iptables, and the rest of the rules are set throu ip rule and ip route :/ |
| 05:12.54 | PointyPumper | i dont know if i can do that |
| 05:13.10 | databuddy | sorry about all the join/parts failing kvirc - dont bother using that client with mass channels |
| 05:13.11 | PointyPumper | (change the order) |
| 05:13.23 | Supaplex | Sebboh: hwinfo might know better than lspci |
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| 05:13.29 | Sebboh | dunno about that pointy. :) |
| 05:13.31 | PointyPumper | i would need that ALL outgoing packets from the router (natted and not natted ones) go throu the rules |
| 05:13.35 | Sebboh | supa, hmm, ok, I'll look at that. |
| 05:13.54 | Crypticfortune | Sebboh: nope. never seen a windows PC use onboard video + PCI/AGP at the same time. (are you saying this works on your motherboard in windows by not in debian?) |
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| 05:15.07 | Sebboh | Cryptic, haven't seen it on this PC yet, but it worked on two I owned in the past. The BIOS option on this PC that says "allocate IRQ to PCI video" seems promising... |
| 05:15.10 | sarixe | can anyone help me with getting audacity to be able to record? so far what it does is (when i press record) it creates a track and then the recording process freezes. then i can stop the recording, and i'm left with an empty track. |
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| 05:15.47 | PointyPumper | !!, found something bout it :$ |
| 05:15.48 | PointyPumper | http://lists.netfilter.org/pipermail/netfilter-devel/2003-June/011754.html |
| 05:15.56 | sarixe | !alsa |
| 05:15.56 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 05:15.57 | cahoot | no errormsg if you try arecord - sarixe ? |
| 05:15.59 | Crypticfortune | Sebboh: i think the two you owned in the past were lucky. what's the onboard chipset of your current one? |
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| 05:16.06 | sarixe | cahoot : no |
| 05:16.30 | sarixe | the playback/record mixers are set to /dev/dsp from OSS |
| 05:16.50 | sarixe | oh, and this is lenny |
| 05:17.49 | Crypticfortune | Sebboh: also, that "assign IRQ to PCI video" thing i'm guessing means that BIOS sets the IRQ for the video card rather than leaving it up to the OS (probably required for non PnP OS's) |
| 05:18.39 | Sebboh | cryptic, hmmmmmm! |
| 05:18.52 | cahoot | sarixe, no success if you use native alsa device? |
| 05:18.52 | sarixe | !audacity |
| 05:18.52 | dpkg | i guess audacity is a multi-track audio editor. It is designed for easy recording, playing and editing of digital audio. Editing is very fast and provides unlimited undo/redo. To be found at http://audacity.sourceforge.net. |
| 05:18.53 | PointyPumper | WinAmp 5.30 Pez - Para las almas sensibles (2005) - 01 - Para las almas sensibles 03:20/04:41 [] 128kbps|44KHz|4.29MB |
| 05:18.59 | sarixe | cahoot : no |
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| 05:19.23 | Sebboh | Pointy, please control your script; don't let it control you. |
| 05:19.45 | sarixe | cahoot : however, if i load a file into audacity and play it, it plays fine. |
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| 05:22.32 | PointyPumper | sory :S didnt wanna do that |
| 05:24.34 | Supaplex | aol polluted winamp. it's the suck now. |
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| 05:25.12 | tsocks | audacity is good ... |
| 05:25.33 | Supaplex | tastes like avacado |
| 05:25.39 | tsocks | is not as good as "Cool Edit Pro" (Windows)... but is good ;) |
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| 05:26.16 | Crypticfortune | "Cool Edit Pro" rocked. i can't believe it costs like $500 now =( |
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| 05:26.31 | tsocks | Crypticfortune: really? :) |
| 05:26.31 | Supaplex | yeowch |
| 05:26.34 | sarixe | well unfortunately i have windows. |
| 05:26.34 | yigal | Crypticfortune: what is it for? |
| 05:26.36 | sarixe | don't |
| 05:26.37 | tsocks | very expensive.. |
| 05:26.39 | sarixe | bleh |
| 05:26.46 | sarixe | unfortunately i don't have windows. |
| 05:26.51 | sarixe | so can i get some help with audacity? |
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| 05:27.02 | yigal | sarixe: why are you using it? |
| 05:27.05 | tsocks | sarixe: what do you want to do ? |
| 05:27.10 | sarixe | record stuff |
| 05:27.11 | tsocks | sarixe: what's the problem? |
| 05:27.14 | sarixe | but it's not working |
| 05:27.19 | Crypticfortune | tsocks: yes because it got bought by adobe. (i bought it for $20 back when it was shareware =P |
| 05:27.22 | sarixe | when i press record, here's what happens |
| 05:27.29 | sarixe | it creates a new track |
| 05:27.30 | Crypticfortune | yigal: for windows. off-topic, so sorry. |
| 05:27.36 | sarixe | and has the cursor frozen at the beginning |
| 05:27.46 | sarixe | and then when i stop recording, i'm left with a blank track. |
| 05:27.51 | sarixe | but i can play stuff fine. |
| 05:28.00 | yigal | sarixe: what flavor of debian are you using and did you use the official package? |
| 05:28.06 | sarixe | lenny, official |
| 05:28.45 | yigal | sarixe: did you look at to see if there was a bug report, sorry i know you probably did just asking stupid questions |
| 05:28.46 | Supaplex | sarixe: does an etch one work better in that regard? |
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| 05:29.06 | sarixe | Supaplex : etch one works worse under lenny |
| 05:29.10 | sarixe | it worked fine under etch |
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| 05:29.19 | tsocks | sarixe: i can't help you ... i only use audacity for editing audio (amplificate, cut, etc..) |
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| 05:30.26 | xjkx | Hi, I have a epson stylus c85, and i cant see it in the list that cups tells me :< there are some stylus color, but i think it isnt the same, what should i do? |
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| 05:30.48 | sarixe | yigal : yes, and there was none |
| 05:30.52 | Crypticfortune | sarixe: im running lenny, and just installed it. record button works for me =/ |
| 05:30.56 | sarixe | and i had this same problem with ubuntu |
| 05:31.04 | sarixe | i'm actually just considering reinstalling etch for now |
| 05:31.17 | sarixe | and then re-upgrading to lenny |
| 05:31.23 | yigal | sarixe: so the buttons, etc. are totally unresponsive? |
| 05:31.34 | sarixe | i think it has something to do with the fact that i installed kde this morning |
| 05:31.36 | tsocks | sarixe: have you tried other application for recording audio ? |
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| 05:31.41 | sarixe | tsocks : yes |
| 05:31.44 | yigal | sarixe: it shouldn't ? |
| 05:31.53 | tsocks | sarixe: and...? |
| 05:32.06 | sarixe | tsocks : nothing works for recording |
| 05:32.12 | tsocks | sarixe: i don't think so ... audacity & kde? |
| 05:32.13 | sarixe | yigal : it did |
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| 05:32.23 | tsocks | sarixe: hmmm.. |
| 05:32.30 | sarixe | tsocks : i think it had something to do with the way kde set up sound stuff |
| 05:32.36 | tsocks | sarixe: you want to record from microphone ? |
| 05:32.44 | sarixe | yes |
| 05:32.44 | yigal | sarixe: have you opened it using a terminal and seen if there was any output that looked bad? |
| 05:32.50 | sarixe | lemme see |
| 05:33.17 | sarixe | sh: jackd: command not found |
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| 05:33.34 | Crypticfortune | sarixe: that'd do it ^^ |
| 05:33.37 | sarixe | ah |
| 05:34.04 | tsocks | sarixe: what sound driver are you using ? |
| 05:34.10 | sarixe | oss and alsa |
| 05:34.20 | sarixe | but what package do i need for jackd? |
| 05:34.22 | yigal | sarixe: they sometimes conflict |
| 05:34.22 | tsocks | sarixe: both ? |
| 05:34.28 | sarixe | yeah |
| 05:34.34 | sarixe | should i get rid of one? |
| 05:34.36 | yigal | sarixe: you probably want to pkill oss |
| 05:34.37 | Crypticfortune | sarixe: aptitude install jackd |
| 05:34.39 | tsocks | sarixe: you should try uninstalling oss... |
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| 05:34.49 | sarixe | ok |
| 05:34.55 | yigal | sarixe: and if not just kill the process |
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| 05:35.29 | tsocks | sarixe: and, if "audacity" requires oss emulation, install "alsa-oss" (alsa-oss - ALSA wrapper for OSS applications) |
| 05:35.34 | sarixe | kk |
| 05:35.38 | derek_ | I've got etch installed right now. Is there any easy way besides burning another cd and installing over my system to update to Lenny? |
| 05:35.55 | tsocks | sarixe: i think (don't remember so good) audacity requieres alsa-oss... |
| 05:36.01 | sarixe | ok |
| 05:36.02 | karsten | !stable->testing |
| 05:36.02 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
| 05:36.04 | karsten | derek_: ^^ |
| 05:36.06 | Supaplex | derek_: topic |
| 05:36.21 | sarixe | how do i uninstall oss, then? i searched synaptic for 'oss' but there's no 'oss' package |
| 05:36.30 | karsten | Supaplex: Point |
| 05:36.32 | Supaplex | derek_: also, install apt-listbugs to |
| 05:36.51 | Supaplex | karsten: yes, near tie. :) |
| 05:37.13 | karsten | Supaplex: Your response was better. I should stay up on /topic ;-) |
| 05:37.34 | karsten | sarixe: Then it's not installled, eh? |
| 05:37.37 | Supaplex | karsten: hehehe :) |
| 05:37.46 | sarixe | well it's there, i mean the mixer comes up |
| 05:37.48 | Crypticfortune | Supaplex: oo. never knew about apt-listbugs. that's very handy. |
| 05:37.56 | karsten | sarixe: Which mixer, sorry? |
| 05:38.01 | sarixe | oss |
| 05:38.04 | sarixe | and alsa |
| 05:38.06 | sarixe | sort of |
| 05:38.08 | sarixe | i'm confused |
| 05:38.15 | tsocks | sarixe: remove oss... |
| 05:38.24 | tsocks | sarixe: alsa is better than oss... |
| 05:38.25 | karsten | tsocks: It's not installed, apparently. |
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| 05:39.06 | sarixe | E: Couldn't find package oss |
| 05:39.25 | tsocks | sarixe: hmm |
| 05:39.46 | karsten | sarixe: What makes you think you've got oss installed, specifically? |
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| 05:40.08 | sarixe | uh, going into the gnome mixer applet and being able to select the oss mixer, and having it work when i move sliders |
| 05:40.40 | karsten | sarixe: IIRC OSS was phased out a while ago, but compatibility modes exist for it. |
| 05:40.56 | Supaplex | lsmod | grep snd |
| 05:41.00 | derek_ | When I do this update , dist-upgrade do I have to exit out of X? |
| 05:41.01 | karsten | sarixe: I could be completely wrong about this, but that's what I think I remember. |
| 05:41.14 | sarixe | snd_hda_intel 19864 2 |
| 05:41.14 | sarixe | snd_hda_codec 198400 1 snd_hda_intel |
| 05:41.14 | sarixe | snd_pcm_oss 38816 0 |
| 05:41.14 | sarixe | snd_mixer_oss 15360 3 snd_pcm_oss |
| 05:41.14 | sarixe | snd_pcm 69896 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss |
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| 05:41.25 | sarixe | sorry |
| 05:41.29 | yigal | sarixe: bad boy |
| 05:41.35 | tsocks | ;-( |
| 05:41.35 | karsten | !tell sarixe about paster |
| 05:41.38 | tsocks | xD |
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| 05:41.42 | karsten | sarixe: Use a pastebin |
| 05:41.50 | yigal | pastebin is great |
| 05:41.53 | Supaplex | sarixe hello clueless. I didn't say paste it. think**3 next time. |
| 05:41.57 | Crypticfortune | derek_: if you don't X/your window manager might do funny things, so i'd recommend that. |
| 05:42.02 | sarixe | imagine... i know about pastebins and bother people about them all the time |
| 05:42.05 | karsten | sarixe: IIRC snd_pcm_oss is a compatibility mode. |
| 05:42.06 | Supaplex | sarixe: live and learn huh? :) |
| 05:42.15 | karsten | Supaplex: Take it easy on him |
| 05:42.24 | sarixe | http://paste.debian.net/35067 |
| 05:42.34 | Supaplex | irc flooding is like K-6 stuff. but yea. |
| 05:43.26 | tsocks | hmmm |
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| 05:45.34 | epsilon | how does the NICs communicate in a network based on gbit-switch with 100MBit and 1GBit clients? Do the NIC or the switch change the speed for every client? |
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| 05:45.44 | Noborusan | hi Supaplex ,do you remember how did you config snort ? |
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| 05:46.11 | Noborusan | Supaplex, i run /etc/init.d/snort start |
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| 05:46.26 | Sebboh | cryptic, yeah the onboard video is completely disabled. I'll try dropping a PCI vid card in. |
| 05:46.29 | Noborusan | it says file snort.eth0.conf not found and defaulting to snort.conf |
| 05:46.38 | Sebboh | cheers all. Thanks. |
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| 05:47.14 | Noborusan | Supaplex, however,snort is running ,ps auxw | grep snort,its running im sure, in /etc/snort there are 2 conf one is snort.conf another is snort.debian.conf |
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| 05:47.27 | Noborusan | Supaplex, here is the paste for that second one http://pastebin.ca/665272 |
| 05:47.29 | Noborusan | hmmm |
| 05:47.53 | tsocks | sarixe: so? |
| 05:47.55 | chupie | i have this wireless adapter in my laptop, how can i get it to work Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 05:48.09 | sarixe | tsocks : what? |
| 05:48.27 | tsocks | sarixe: did you do anything about alsa/oss ? audacity ? |
| 05:48.28 | karsten | epsilon: Good question. |
| 05:48.42 | Supaplex | Noborusan: dpkg -L snort snort-common snort-rules-default might be a good starting point. |
| 05:48.43 | sarixe | i'm waiting for someone to tell me what to do |
| 05:48.48 | karsten | chupie: ewe! Broadcom. |
| 05:48.56 | tsocks | sarixe: ;( |
| 05:48.58 | karsten | sarixe: Jump off a bridge! |
| 05:49.07 | tsocks | sarixe: i don't have idea... but... |
| 05:49.08 | sarixe | seriously, i'm at a loss |
| 05:49.11 | chupie | karsten: yeah :( |
| 05:49.12 | tsocks | sarixe: you can hear audio in audacity, no ? |
| 05:49.15 | sarixe | yes |
| 05:49.19 | tsocks | sarixe: but you can't record.... |
| 05:49.24 | tsocks | sarixe: did you search in google ? |
| 05:49.31 | sarixe | yes |
| 05:49.36 | Noborusan | Supaplex, that is complicated,i thought is simple to configure snort in debian :( |
| 05:49.42 | yigal | sarixe: your recording device is not muted? |
| 05:49.52 | sarixe | it is not muted |
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| 05:50.25 | yigal | sarixe: and you can record using other software? |
| 05:50.28 | sarixe | no |
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| 05:50.42 | yigal | sarixe: is that to my question above? |
| 05:50.46 | sarixe | yes |
| 05:51.09 | derek_ | Supaplex, When you said update and dist-upgrade what exact commands did you mean because it says command not found. |
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| 05:51.36 | sarixe | i'm just gonna reinstall etch |
| 05:51.43 | sarixe | and then reupgrade to lenny |
| 05:51.43 | yigal | sarixe: well it doesn't sound like its audacity's fault. If you can't record using other software it sounds like something you haven't installed |
| 05:52.03 | sarixe | yeah |
| 05:52.16 | sarixe | which is why a reinstall is prooobably a good idea right now |
| 05:52.19 | sarixe | because it worked with etch |
| 05:52.24 | sarixe | and it worked with lenny before kde |
| 05:52.25 | karsten | sarixe: Played with alsamixer? |
| 05:52.35 | tsocks | sarixe: i'm thinking to upgrade to lenny :) |
| 05:52.40 | Supaplex | Noborusan: the init script sources that config. grep snort.debian.conf /etc/init.d/snort |
| 05:52.42 | tsocks | sarixe: nice |
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| 05:53.14 | sarixe | karsten : lemme check it out... i've played with it on ubuntu, but not debian yet |
| 05:53.18 | Supaplex | derek_: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 05:53.22 | Noborusan | Supaplex, i dont get it |
| 05:53.34 | Noborusan | Supaplex, but i just did dpkg reconfigure snort,done it. |
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| 05:54.07 | yigal | Noborusan & Supaplex: thank you for having this discussion. I decided to install snort because of it. |
| 05:54.18 | Supaplex | Noborusan: snort.debian.conf is a shell script fragment for use in /etc/init.d/snort |
| 05:54.22 | jetscreamer | it's a day not a night |
| 05:54.42 | Supaplex | !caffinate karsten |
| 05:54.46 | sarixe | karsten : no, did nothing different |
| 05:54.55 | Noborusan | yigal, yeah,welcome back to discuss snort if any problem in configuing and blah,like im now. |
| 05:55.04 | sarixe | oh and i can hear what's coming in through the mic, because i have it turned up. |
| 05:55.13 | sarixe | but screw it, i'll just go reinstall |
| 05:55.16 | sarixe | byes |
| 05:55.30 | Noborusan | Supaplex, I see,thanks,and now snort is running, shall i get the lastest rules to replace this default one ? |
| 05:55.50 | yigal | Noborusan: ty |
| 05:56.03 | Supaplex | Noborusan: the defaults are ok I guess. if you're that ambitious, sure. |
| 05:58.03 | yigal | for personal use should I trust Christian Marillat's packages in http://www.debian-multimedia.org, anyone's perspective would be nice |
| 05:58.45 | Noborusan | Supaplex, Thanks ,by the way,i don't quite get what you said, now i check snort running status,it seems it reads from snort.debian.conf cuz it watchs on an IP i specified in snort.debian.conf,and in snort.conf the IP is set to var HOME_NET any |
| 05:58.57 | jetscreamer | yes yigal |
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| 06:00.36 | yigal | jetscreamer: yes, I should trust these packages to not be malware, etc.? |
| 06:00.55 | Supaplex | Noborusan: ps ww -C snort shows the arguments snort is running with, due to the way /etc/init.d/snort reads and uses /etc/snort/snort.debian.conf. /etc/snort/snort.conf has a totally different purpose. |
| 06:00.59 | jetscreamer | yes yigal |
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| 06:01.20 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 06:01.20 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 06:01.28 | xjkx | I am using deb http://cdd.debian-br.org/debian-br-cdd unstable main and i believe its like sarge :> but i dont have openoffice in the newer versions, what do i do to get the newest ? |
| 06:01.51 | jetscreamer | it's not at all like sarge |
| 06:01.56 | jetscreamer | but |
| 06:02.01 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 06:02.01 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 06:02.22 | yigal | xjkx: not at all like sarge :) |
| 06:02.31 | Noborusan | Supaplex, yea |
| 06:02.37 | xjkx | yigal: what is it then? |
| 06:02.47 | Noborusan | Supaplex, hmm so my snort DOES use a rule file or not at all ? |
| 06:03.01 | yigal | xjkx: it is unstable it is sid |
| 06:03.15 | yigal | xjkx: sarge is yesterdays etch |
| 06:03.17 | Supaplex | Noborusan: /etc/snort/snort.conf |
| 06:03.19 | Noborusan | I mean if it is working but without loading the rules,it equals to not working :( |
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| 06:03.28 | yigal | xjkx: yes? |
| 06:03.37 | Noborusan | Supaplex, I see :) |
| 06:03.38 | Supaplex | Noborusan: ps ww -C snort | grep --color snort.conf |
| 06:04.01 | yigal | xjkx: unstable is yesterdays unstable |
| 06:04.24 | yigal | xjkx: at least the name is the same :) |
| 06:04.28 | xjkx | yigal: thanks, and you think i can put a repository to install openoffice 2.x ? |
| 06:04.32 | Noborusan | Supaplex, you are so right |
| 06:04.36 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 06:04.42 | xjkx | mine is 1.x :< |
| 06:04.49 | jetscreamer | !tell xjkx -about contrib |
| 06:05.07 | yigal | jetscreamer: ty the madness has to stop |
| 06:05.43 | xjkx | wtf, openoffice 1.x is free, and 2.x is contrib? :p |
| 06:06.02 | Supaplex | xjkx: you're catching on. |
| 06:06.03 | Wyzard | hmm... has anyone here used Windows to print to a CUPS shared printer since the recent CUPS 1.3 update in sid? |
| 06:06.12 | yigal | xjkx: it may have dependencies that are not free |
| 06:06.14 | Supaplex | !tell xjkx about debian policy |
| 06:06.28 | yigal | Wyzard: is it broken again? |
| 06:07.40 | solemnwarning | Why do shells treat 0 as true and anything else false? |
| 06:07.41 | Wyzard | Well, I've set up the printer on Windows -- tried both the Bonjour Printer Wizard and manually using the printer's URL -- and if I double-click on the printer's icon in Windows, or right-click on it and pick Properties, it hangs |
| 06:07.50 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: http://bugs.debian.org/cups shows ARRAY(0xf7d671d4) :) |
| 06:07.54 | Wyzard | and I'm wondering if it's something with CUPS 1.3, because I've printed to CUPS from Windows before |
| 06:08.19 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: because it's useful to allow different kinds of failure codes, and not just a single zero for failure |
| 06:08.21 | chupie | ok, trying ndiswrapper for my wireless.. did the ndiswrapper -i mydriver.inf now when i try to do modprobe ndiswrapper it says module not found |
| 06:08.38 | jetscreamer | you did it wrong then |
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| 06:08.46 | Wyzard | solemnwarning: By convention, a program's exit status is zero if it succeeded, and nonzero numbers indicate various types of failure |
| 06:08.53 | jetscreamer | !mwilsonsmite #debian |
| 06:08.58 | Noborusan | Supaplex, /usr/sbin/snort -m 027 -D -d -l /var/log/snort -u snort -g snort -c /etc/snort/snort.conf -S HOME_NET=[211.92.80.59/32] -i eth0 |
| 06:09.17 | Noborusan | Supaplex, from those info,can we tell snort is working on the NIDS mode ? |
| 06:10.38 | yigal | Wyzard: you had it working nicely before? |
| 06:11.19 | Wyzard | yigal: Not recently, but I've done it in the past... same printer, same Windows driver |
| 06:11.44 | Wyzard | CUPS seems like the most likely culprit since that's what changed, but I didn't have it already configured and working recently with CUPS 1.2, unfortunately |
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| 06:12.07 | yigal | Wyzard: your Windows box has the right permissions to use the printer? |
| 06:12.17 | yigal | Wyzard: as far as you know? |
| 06:12.29 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: there are about 5 bugs filed about that already. |
| 06:12.32 | xjkx | how do i use this: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/contrib/binary-i386/ as repository? :> |
| 06:12.56 | Wyzard | yigal: yeah, it's a typical install with administrator privileges |
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| 06:13.29 | yigal | Wyzard: are you already sharing files between Windows/Linux computers using samba? |
| 06:13.56 | Wyzard | yigal: samba isn't involved... CUPS speaks IPP, which is a specialized dialect of HTTP |
| 06:14.07 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 06:14.08 | Wyzard | I just tried printing a test page from my laptop, which runs Debian, and that's failing to print too |
| 06:14.11 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 06:14.22 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib xjkx |
| 06:14.25 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: yup. just thought you might like to know how to reproduce it. nothing more. |
| 06:14.35 | yigal | Wyzard: either config or cups ? |
| 06:15.02 | yigal | Wyzard: is root getting any error messages? |
| 06:15.26 | Wyzard | checking logs now |
| 06:15.45 | jetscreamer | !tell xjkx -about mirrors |
| 06:15.46 | xjkx | jetscreamer: thanks |
| 06:17.07 | jetscreamer | !tell xjkx -about search |
| 06:17.22 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: ah; yeah, it's trivial to reproduce, the problem is that the actual bit that's showing it now longer matches the package selection |
| 06:17.43 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: basically, the improtant bits have gotten much much more powerful, and I haven't updated the little selection bit at the bottom |
| 06:18.23 | Wyzard | hmm, this is weird... even the low-level HPLIP "hp-testpage" program fails |
| 06:18.33 | Wyzard | Maybe it's not CUPS; for some reason Linux just can't talk to my printer |
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| 06:19.23 | jetscreamer | i had better luck with parport:somethingsomething than lp0 et al |
| 06:19.36 | Wyzard | It's a USB printer |
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| 06:19.42 | Wyzard | This computer doesn't even have a parallel port |
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| 06:21.04 | philll | good morning all :) |
| 06:21.17 | yigal | Wyzard: by what you have written I imagine it is an HP printer. |
| 06:21.28 | Wyzard | yep, LaserJet 1300 |
| 06:21.41 | epsilon | network question: I have a network with 100MBit and 1GBit clients on 100MBit switch. Now I want to replace the switch to 1GBit. Is it a good or bad idea to mix many clients/servers with high load talking in different speed? |
| 06:21.51 | yigal | Wyzard: you have hplip installed, what about lsusb? |
| 06:22.20 | yigal | Wyzard: is the printer turned on :) |
| 06:22.22 | Wyzard | and my test page did print successfully now -- I'm not sure why it wasn't working before |
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| 06:22.32 | Wyzard | Yes, it's turned on and shows up with lsusb :-) |
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| 06:24.58 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:25.14 | Wyzard | OK, I can print to it from another Debian machine with CUPS, but still not from Windows (using HP's official driver and the standard IPP protocol)... :-/ |
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| 06:26.06 | Raging_Hog | I borked something last spring. Box didn't change daylight saving time so I used hwclock to change it. Now date and hwclock show it nice but my groupwise clock is 1 hour earlier(others in the office have it ok). Where could it get it's time and how this might affect the daylight saving event this autumn? |
| 06:26.51 | wols | Raging_Hog: when did you last start your groupwise? |
| 06:27.24 | Raging_Hog | this morning |
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| 06:31.05 | hid3 | Hello everyone. Some offtopic question here.. Anyone speaking french? I'd like to ask you: if a person says 'thanks' ('merci'), I'd like to say him/her 'you're welcome'. How it would be in french? :) |
| 06:31.53 | cafuego | hid3: I usd to use "pas de problème" (no problem) |
| 06:32.03 | simonrvn | hid3: bienvenue |
| 06:32.14 | hid3 | oh, thanks a lot ;-) |
| 06:32.49 | cafuego | simonrvn: that works as a response to 'thankyou' as well? |
| 06:32.57 | kingsley | Altavista translations says "vous tes bienvenu". |
| 06:32.59 | simonrvn | sure |
| 06:33.06 | cafuego | who woulda thunk it |
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| 06:34.39 | simonrvn | kingsley: that's like really formal french |
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| 06:45.48 | Supaplex | mmm food. yummy. yay. |
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| 06:46.52 | dbmoodb | hello how can i mount a nfts drive using ntfs-3g using user credentials (not root) |
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| 06:47.36 | Supaplex | dbmoodb: user:user mapping, or all:1 mapping? |
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| 06:48.17 | dbmoodb | mmm ? i mean have no root ownership of the mounted device. At the moment I mount my windows partition and i can create a link that is owned by root, a text file owned by root etc. |
| 06:48.17 | Supaplex | dbmoodb: for the latter, fstab uses 'user' as an option. uid= is similar to. (for persistant mounts) |
| 06:48.31 | dbmoodb | mmm user doesn't work with ntfs-3g |
| 06:48.53 | Supaplex | interesting. |
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| 06:49.15 | dbmoodb | ntfs-3g isn't support on etch yet so... |
| 06:49.27 | Supaplex | it's in backports |
| 06:49.40 | dbmoodb | where are the backports ? |
| 06:49.46 | dbmoodb | got one for me ? |
| 06:49.46 | Supaplex | !ntfs-3g |
| 06:49.47 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs-3g was a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 06:50.01 | Supaplex | just /msg dpkg backports |
| 06:50.21 | dbmoodb | !ntfs backports in etch |
| 06:50.34 | Supaplex | !backports |
| 06:50.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 06:51.14 | dbmoodb | thank you |
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| 06:51.50 | moomoo | if i want to burn rip cd's or dvd's is there anything i need to install? |
| 06:52.09 | Supaplex | !tell moomoo -about search |
| 06:52.50 | moomoo | ty |
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| 07:00.53 | tuttu | hihihihi |
| 07:01.15 | tuttu | how can i install debin linux on sata hdd |
| 07:02.00 | jbm | go away |
| 07:02.05 | Supaplex | !tell tuttu -about i-g |
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| 07:02.37 | tuttu | ok |
| 07:02.49 | tuttu | you go |
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| 07:03.10 | jbm | you first. |
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| 07:03.27 | tuttu | hey dont insult me |
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| 07:04.35 | Supaplex | !insult Jonathan B. Michaelchuck |
| 07:04.36 | dpkg | Jonathan B. Michaelchuck is nothing but a squishy accumulation of decayed snake snot |
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| 07:05.18 | grigora | Hi, how can I get exim to listen to my inet interface (in addition to localhost). I know it's related to DEBCONFlistenonpublicDEBCONF but I am not sure how exactly I should change that. Thanks |
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| 07:07.24 | Supaplex | grigora: dpkg-reconfigure exim might be a good starting point. |
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| 07:10.41 | yigal | i thought aptitude was going to be the package management system in the future why is apt-get the prefered package manager? Is it because it is super cow powered? |
| 07:11.04 | dondelelcaro | prefered by whom? |
| 07:11.13 | yigal | dondelelcaro: by the bot? |
| 07:11.18 | jbm | because it does enough. |
| 07:11.39 | dondelelcaro | the bot only uses apt-get because a lot of those factoids existed before aptitude was around |
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| 07:11.58 | dondelelcaro | (and because factoids always show the bias of whoever writes them) |
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| 07:12.29 | yigal | dondelelcaro: isn't it a matter of using sed on factoids - perl, python etc. s/apt-get/aptitude ? |
| 07:12.48 | dondelelcaro | yigal: no, because there are some factoids which are apt-get specific |
| 07:13.10 | solemnwarning | Not all apt-get commands/switches are implemented in aptitude |
| 07:13.10 | dondelelcaro | but you can easily spend the time if you wish to go through and correct them. |
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| 07:13.34 | yigal | solemnwarning: or at least the phrasing is different |
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| 07:13.56 | yigal | dondelelcaro: lol, time, I wish I had some :) - ty for your answers |
| 07:13.56 | chupie | i am trying to get bcm43xx-fcutter installed so i can get my wireless to work on my laptop, but it says it requires libc6 2.6-1, and i have 2.3.6 |
| 07:14.02 | chupie | yet i can't find that version |
| 07:14.13 | dondelelcaro | yigal: yes... well, that's one reason why I haven't bothered myself. |
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| 07:16.38 | SpeedyG | hi, when I try to compile a new kernel, all I get is segfaulted gcc... also, many files transfered to that box get corrupted, i'd say this could be a memory issue, but whats your opinion on it ? |
| 07:17.08 | jbm | does it always segfault at the same point? |
| 07:17.10 | Supaplex | faulty cpu cache, overclocked or bad hardware |
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| 07:17.21 | SpeedyG | jbm: yes |
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| 07:17.25 | Supaplex | wrong gcc version for th kernel you're building |
| 07:17.29 | SpeedyG | at least, looked like it |
| 07:17.30 | Supaplex | s/th/the/ |
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| 07:18.56 | SpeedyG | and also, I got this error localhost kernel: [error_code+57/64] error_code+0x39/0x40 |
| 07:19.58 | jbm | what version of gcc are you using and what kernel are you compiling? |
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| 07:20.46 | SpeedyG | first, I tried a few times with 3.x, later on I upgraded it to 4.1, kernel version is 2.6.22 |
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| 07:22.00 | Uncle_Muscle | i compiled 22 a few hours ago on 4.1, no issue |
| 07:22.04 | Uncle_Muscle | so dunno |
| 07:22.44 | RudyValencia | SpeedyG: Hi, long time no talk :) |
| 07:22.49 | SpeedyG | heya RudyValencia :) |
| 07:22.54 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: show more context at http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 07:23.33 | Dewi | how can I see whether debian is interpreting the hardware clock as UTC or my local time? |
| 07:23.48 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: i've got no more atm.. |
| 07:23.54 | SpeedyG | it's probably due to bad hardware tho |
| 07:24.21 | SpeedyG | yesterday, the box didnt boot at all.. (it's been turned off due to vacation), so I tried some other memory in it.. after that it did boot |
| 07:24.26 | SpeedyG | but it started with this crap |
| 07:24.36 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: try disabling cpu cache as a workaround to test. it'll compile slower, but - it might work. also, memtest86+ is in order if you suspect ram issues. |
| 07:24.48 | RudyValencia | SpeedyG: excalibur is running Debian now ;) |
| 07:25.19 | SpeedyG | how can I disable the cache? In the BIOS ? |
| 07:25.22 | SpeedyG | RudyValencia: nice :> |
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| 07:25.42 | Uncle_Muscle | yes, in the bios... and let me reiterate the importance of running memtest86 if you suspect RAM |
| 07:26.08 | SpeedyG | yep, I know |
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| 07:32.19 | simonrvn | WTF is this? first time i've seen this: "unable to install new version of `./usr/share/man/man3/hesiod_free_passwd.3.gz': Structure needs cleaning" |
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| 07:32.41 | SpeedyG | you forgot to pollish the harddrive before installing ;) |
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| 07:33.24 | Supaplex | simonrvn: that's new to me. |
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| 07:40.32 | karsten | simonrvn: You know you've got housekeeping issues when your computer's package manager tells you you need to clean more. |
| 07:41.20 | simonrvn | karsten: ;). g'night |
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| 07:41.55 | sobersabre | hi I've tried to google a bit, but found no solution. is there a way to import/edit CDR ( corel Draw ) files under linux ? |
| 07:42.09 | sobersabre | ( except running corel draw in wine/vmware/xen ) |
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| 07:42.30 | sobersabre | I mean under debian gnu/linux |
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| 07:42.52 | patrick-- | Warning: Unknown(): open_basedir restriction in effect. File(/home/www/sqmail/html/index.php) is not within the allowed path(s): (/var/www) in Unknown on line 0 |
| 07:42.59 | patrick-- | can someone tell me where i can add allowed paths? |
| 07:43.05 | patrick-- | is that an apache or squirremail issue? |
| 07:43.45 | simonrvn | that's a php thing |
| 07:43.47 | Supaplex | patrick--: php issue |
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| 07:44.26 | patrick-- | where can I add allowed paths? :) |
| 07:44.37 | simonrvn | php.ini; apache |
| 07:44.43 | simonrvn | er apache2 ;) |
| 07:45.49 | simonrvn | Supaplex: found it, seems it's a fs thing o_O |
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| 07:45.56 | patrick-- | simonrvn: do you have an example? |
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| 07:46.36 | simonrvn | of? |
| 07:46.56 | patrick-- | of inserting allowed paths |
| 07:47.04 | simonrvn | oh wonderful... i gotta take thing thing down to single |
| 07:47.13 | simonrvn | can't right now |
| 07:48.02 | patrick-- | :/ |
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| 07:51.00 | derek_ | I just got tor and privoxy installed. Will they automatically start on boot? If not, what do I run to add them to bootlevel. |
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| 07:51.30 | RudyValencia | Is there a "server" kernel for Debian like there is for Ubuntu? |
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| 07:52.28 | Noborusan | can anyone tell me,the rules comes from snort install in etch is what kind ? |
| 07:52.34 | jetscreamer | that would be runlevel |
| 07:52.39 | jetscreamer | !runlevel |
| 07:52.40 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 07:52.41 | Noborusan | Community Snort Rules or what ? |
| 07:52.52 | jetscreamer | but just look in rc2 |
| 07:53.32 | jetscreamer | /etc/rc2.d |
| 07:53.59 | Supaplex | awesome factoid. |
| 07:54.09 | Supaplex | esp the 2==3==4==5 part. |
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| 07:54.41 | Ind[y] | In "gedit", how do I change the encoding of how a file is viewed? |
| 07:55.17 | jetscreamer | you mean the highlighting? |
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| 07:55.25 | xushi | hi guys |
| 07:55.29 | xushi | are there any admins here ? |
| 07:55.34 | jetscreamer | view highlight |
| 07:55.36 | jetscreamer | no |
| 07:55.41 | Ind[y] | jetscreamer: No. I mean hwo do I change from ISO to UNICODE, etc. |
| 07:55.44 | jetscreamer | everybody is an op |
| 07:55.58 | jetscreamer | when you save-as iirc |
| 07:56.00 | xushi | hmm, well i would like to say that the download links in http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ are all broken |
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| 07:56.13 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 07:56.13 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 07:56.18 | xushi | they point to 4.0r0, which i guess is no longer there |
| 07:56.40 | Ind[y] | jetscreamer: right. thanks. |
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| 07:56.44 | jetscreamer | it's r1 iirc |
| 07:56.46 | jetscreamer | now |
| 07:56.54 | jetscreamer | or so somebody said rather |
| 07:56.57 | xushi | jetscreamer: yes thanks, i'm just saying that page in particular is a very important one, and its links are down |
| 07:57.12 | xushi | broken * actually |
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| 07:57.41 | jetscreamer | file a bug |
| 07:57.45 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 07:57.46 | xushi | where at ? |
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| 07:57.53 | jetscreamer | !bdo |
| 07:57.53 | dpkg | for backports ask me about <backports>; for bugs ask me about <bts> |
| 07:57.53 | SpeedyG | hm, how long should one run memtest to be sure about his memory ? |
| 07:57.58 | jetscreamer | !bts |
| 07:57.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 07:58.01 | Supaplex | submit-as-spam (21 unread messages). that's a years worth. how's that for spam? :) |
| 07:58.01 | jetscreamer | i guess |
| 07:58.08 | xushi | thanks |
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| 07:58.19 | xushi | Supaplex: heh, that's what i get in an hour ;) |
| 07:58.37 | jetscreamer | at least a few passes SpeedyG |
| 07:58.44 | jetscreamer | man memtest google it |
| 07:58.52 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: just go to bed and let it run all night. :) |
| 07:58.54 | SpeedyG | hm, pass 1% :( |
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| 07:59.06 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: at 9.59AM, bit weird innit ;) |
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| 07:59.39 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: oh wait. sleep? What's that? is that like a lesser form of caffine? |
| 07:59.46 | SpeedyG | haha |
| 07:59.53 | SpeedyG | hm, caffeine.. good idea |
| 08:00.04 | derek_ | I just got tor and privoxy installed. Will they automatically start on boot? If not, what do I run to add them to bootlevel. |
| 08:00.50 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:01.02 | jetscreamer | derek_: scroll up |
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| 08:01.38 | derek_ | ? |
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| 08:03.03 | Supaplex | !tell derek_ -about runlevel |
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| 08:03.32 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:03.54 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: I think it's safe to assume derek_ didn't last a week on gentoo. |
| 08:04.44 | Supaplex | mentioning it in the first place was a dis-service to himself, because we expect more out of a gentoo user than the norm. :) |
| 08:05.10 | Supaplex | but anyway... |
| 08:05.14 | derek_ | Supaplex, considering I had it for 6 months... |
| 08:05.33 | jetscreamer | i tried a stage something when i was trying to decide what linux to use for the first time |
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| 08:05.46 | jetscreamer | here i am |
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| 08:05.57 | blazemonger | if ubuntu is based on debian sid, why is it use of debian sid is bad? |
| 08:06.06 | jetscreamer | it's not bad |
| 08:06.11 | blazemonger | is that just for those getting used to unix security? |
| 08:06.16 | Supaplex | !tell blazemonger -about sid |
| 08:06.16 | yigal | !tell blazemonger about ubuntu |
| 08:06.17 | jetscreamer | you get to keep the pieces if you break it |
| 08:06.20 | yigal | oops |
| 08:06.34 | jetscreamer | that's why sid is 'bad' |
| 08:06.43 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: that's a 'feature' |
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| 08:06.47 | Supaplex | :P |
| 08:06.56 | jetscreamer | the question is: are you man enough for sid |
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| 08:07.08 | moomoo | brb |
| 08:07.10 | jetscreamer | no whinybabies please |
| 08:07.12 | blazemonger | i just want to disable the loading of detection of restricted modules :) |
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| 08:07.25 | Supaplex | blazemonger: which distro? |
| 08:07.26 | jetscreamer | sounds like ubuntu to me |
| 08:07.44 | Supaplex | !tell blazemonger -about based on debian |
| 08:07.53 | Supaplex | but if you install debian. we can help you with that. :) |
| 08:07.53 | codept | do you guys can tell me how do i identify my glibc version? |
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| 08:08.14 | Supaplex | codept: dpkg -l |
| 08:08.22 | codept | thanks alot Supaplex |
| 08:09.22 | Supaplex | np |
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| 08:16.42 | abcdefg | How do I check the fps my video card is getting? |
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| 08:17.05 | abcdefg | glxgears type thing? |
| 08:17.22 | jetscreamer | !glxgears |
| 08:17.22 | dpkg | i guess glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 08:17.54 | abcdefg | ah |
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| 08:18.38 | Supaplex | haha. nice switch. |
| 08:18.44 | abcdefg | i didnt try to switch |
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| 08:18.47 | abcdefg | i actually typed /nick derek |
| 08:18.50 | abcdefg | after i connected |
| 08:18.58 | abcdefg | but i guess you have to do that in the main window |
| 08:19.01 | abcdefg | not the #channels |
| 08:19.18 | Supaplex | abcdefg: no, glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 08:19.20 | jetscreamer | any window |
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| 08:19.35 | abcdefg | obviously not in xchat. |
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| 08:19.59 | basti | !ssmtp |
| 08:20.00 | dpkg | from memory, ssmtp is an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 08:20.05 | jetscreamer | yes in xchat |
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| 08:20.25 | jetscreamer | any questions? |
| 08:20.25 | abcdefg | you're typing that in this window? |
| 08:20.33 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:20.49 | abcdefg | "derek :Nickname is already in use." |
| 08:20.51 | abcdefg | ah. |
| 08:20.58 | jetscreamer | you're not spanish |
| 08:21.05 | jetscreamer | derek is spanish |
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| 08:24.10 | kristof | I connectetd via ssh to my computer at home and now I want to decrypt a gpg encrypted file on that computer, so I enter gpg -d file.gpg, but I get this error: gpg: encrypted with ELG-E key, ID 150EB27F |
| 08:24.10 | kristof | gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available |
| 08:24.17 | kristof | what do I need to do? |
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| 08:24.48 | wols | you need the secret key for this message |
| 08:25.02 | codept | anyone ever setup debian as execution host for sun grid engine? |
| 08:25.07 | kristof | can I decrypt it with the passphrase too? |
| 08:25.10 | wols | who encrypted it with whose key? |
| 08:25.24 | kristof | I encrypted it with my key, but I don't know it by heart |
| 08:25.26 | wols | no, you must have the secret key. to access that key you need the passphrase |
| 08:25.40 | kristof | I'm kinda new with gpg |
| 08:25.46 | wols | one rarely does :) a key is >^1024 bits :) |
| 08:25.51 | kristof | lol |
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| 08:26.17 | Supaplex | kristof: isn't your private key at home? |
| 08:26.22 | kristof | yes |
| 08:26.40 | kristof | it's on that computer which I'm conncted too via ssh |
| 08:27.01 | kristof | so I guess I need to get the key with th passpharse en then pass that key to --decrypt? |
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| 08:28.22 | Supaplex | kristof: 'secret key not available' sounds as though it's not in your keyring. you'll have to tell gpg explicitly where the private key is. |
| 08:28.54 | kristof | hmz |
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| 08:28.58 | kristof | how? :) |
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| 08:29.15 | Supaplex | kristof: if you only have the public key (the key anyone can use to encript with), you're S.O.L. in any attempt to decrypt it unless you have access to the private key (and assumidly its passphrase) |
| 08:29.43 | Supaplex | kristof: I haven't memorized how. but the man pages are a good start. |
| 08:30.19 | kristof | OK I'll have a look |
| 08:30.23 | Supaplex | and if there's not an explicit option, import it into your keyring. |
| 08:31.29 | kristof | yea I'll first need to find out where the key is stored. |
| 08:31.34 | kristof | what is the default location? |
| 08:31.50 | Supaplex | where ever you created it |
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| 08:32.42 | kristof | OK I'll look it up at home |
| 08:32.51 | kristof | I'm sure it is in my gnome desktop keyring |
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| 08:34.13 | Supaplex | derek_: wb. |
| 08:34.45 | derek_ | what? |
| 08:34.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:34.52 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 08:35.22 | derek_ | because im trying to get mp4 working... |
| 08:35.39 | derek_ | and figured i would not bother you anymore |
| 08:35.41 | derek_ | by trying to get dpkg to help. |
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| 08:36.29 | _oP | !recover |
| 08:36.29 | dpkg | i heard recover is http://recover.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 08:36.44 | Ind[y] | I have downloaded Greek subtitles for a movie, but in "gedit" they seem like giberrish (characters not making sense). Is this an encoding issue? How can it be fixed? Also, in Totem, the subtitles look the same gibberish. Any help, please? |
| 08:38.17 | _oP | need a program what can recover all undamaged data from a damaged cd |
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| 08:38.41 | Supaplex | derek_: to play mp4? mplayer can |
| 08:38.58 | Supaplex | _oP: tip. avoid the microwave. |
| 08:39.19 | Supaplex | Ind[y]: missing fonts? |
| 08:39.27 | Supaplex | !squares |
| 08:39.27 | dpkg | don't trip man! those square characters are caused by an oversight in the application, see /usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ.gz, or did you see boxes too? |
| 08:39.35 | _oP | Supaplex kk next time i think before drying my cds |
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| 08:39.46 | Supaplex | _oP: hehe. :-D |
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| 08:41.09 | Supaplex | _oP: dd if=/dev/dvd of=my-poor-lil-cd.iso conv=noerror (noerror ignores errors, and keeps trying to plug on through). you might want to disable dma. some optical drives can shaft/freeze up the whole box if they get very upset. |
| 08:41.10 | _oP | Supaplex, no problem is that i had the cd music cd lying in front of my car and it seems that the sun has damaged it, thing is i can play some tracks in my cd player in the car but just cant read it with my pc`s cdrom |
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| 08:41.21 | x600 | Ind[y]: Change subs encoding in totem's settings. |
| 08:41.31 | _oP | Supaplex cool i willtry that |
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| 08:42.06 | Supaplex | _oP: oh, so it's redbook audio. maybe cdparanoia is better. someone in freenode #utah used something else with even better results, but I don't recall what. |
| 08:42.09 | Ind[y] | x600: how? |
| 08:42.27 | lhunath | after a new boot it would seem acpid has been started but has not created the /var/run/acpid.socket. When I restart the service, it *does*, however. I also read that hal has recently been patched to provide this socket without the need for acpid. How should I best go about making sure the socket is present? (powersaved depends on it ..) |
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| 08:43.39 | x600 | Ind[y]: in totem, edit, settings, text subtitles |
| 08:44.26 | vlt | Hello. (How) can I resize a running vnc4server session or can I resize the viewer resolution? |
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| 08:46.17 | _oP | Supaplex thank you, just hope i can rescue some of the data :( |
| 08:47.39 | Supaplex | _oP: I think there's some kernel module to mount redbook tracks as wav files. that might of been what it was. (vague recall.. good luck) |
| 08:48.02 | jetscreamer | i think it 'just works' here |
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| 08:48.07 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 08:48.18 | jetscreamer | k3b will rip it |
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| 08:48.53 | slapfaceware | what webmail solution on debian that support maildir? |
| 08:48.57 | jetscreamer | try mount -t auto |
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| 08:49.10 | enouf | _oP: give some of the utils listed/shown from a man -k ^iso a try |
| 08:50.19 | g-Sofie]Lukemob | Hello, how do I rename a file? |
| 08:50.24 | jetscreamer | mv |
| 08:50.35 | linomix | mv oldfile newfile |
| 08:50.42 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: I've used sqwebmail for a while. |
| 08:50.49 | g-Sofie]Lukemob | thx |
| 08:50.56 | slapfaceware | Supaplex, does it support maildir |
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| 08:52.31 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: yes. yes it supports maildir. sqwebmail supports maildir. ps, maildir is supported. oh look, aptitude show sqwebmail even says it. |
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| 08:52.32 | Ind[y] | x600: thanks a lot :) |
| 08:53.19 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: yes, I was a jerk just now. |
| 08:53.26 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware -about search |
| 08:53.33 | slapfaceware | Supaplex, that's okay |
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| 08:54.25 | jetscreamer | but does it *really* support maildir? |
| 08:54.40 | x600 | Ind[y]: No problem, Mplayer is better for films with subs, by the way |
| 08:54.50 | slapfaceware | is there alternative webmail? i don't like ugly squirrelmail |
| 08:54.51 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: sadly, only on days that end in y. |
| 08:55.00 | slapfaceware | is there alternative webmail that support maildir? i don't like ugly squirrelmail |
| 08:55.25 | Supaplex | sqwebmail isn't pretty, but it beats anything php powered imo. (esp when considering performance) |
| 08:55.44 | Ind[y] | x600: ok, thanks for the tip ;) |
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| 08:55.48 | Supaplex | ps. sqwebmail != squirrelmail (but I think you know that) |
| 08:55.49 | slapfaceware | well, need an alternative |
| 08:56.07 | Supaplex | make a fork of sqwebmail ;) |
| 08:56.14 | jetscreamer | horde |
| 08:56.27 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: it's actually template driven. |
| 08:56.32 | jetscreamer | try using that search thing |
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| 08:57.03 | jetscreamer | i mean, how many times in your life have you run apt-file update |
| 08:57.13 | Supaplex | I wonder if wordpress can publish my blog to another box, but not require php on the remote. |
| 09:00.22 | Supaplex | I guess it's pretty easy to just ... write a q+d widget to do it my way. xssi>php |
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| 09:01.25 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 09:01.25 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 09:03.08 | Supaplex | poor jetscreamer. :) |
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| 09:05.09 | solemnwarning | How many commands does dpkg have? 999999999? |
| 09:05.20 | Supaplex | dpkg: factoids |
| 09:05.21 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 09:05.49 | JoR | Hallo |
| 09:05.56 | Supaplex | solemnwarning: atleast 5 or 6. ;) |
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| 09:06.44 | Supaplex | !status |
| 09:06.44 | dpkg | Since Mon Aug 20 11:05:03 2007, there have been 9 modifications, 277 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 101 commands. I have been awake for 22h 1m 41s this session, and currently reference 37560 factoids. I'm using about 15808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 69.32/4.06 child 0/0 |
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| 09:07.16 | JoR | do you speak anglish on this channel? |
| 09:07.30 | Supaplex | solemnwarning: there's about 50 some odd commands to. (not to be confused with factoids). /msg dpkg help |
| 09:07.31 | ArmEagle | hmm i haven't checked the logs yet.. but an ext3 disk decided to spontaneously turn into a read-only file system.. |
| 09:07.49 | Supaplex | JoR: why yes we do |
| 09:07.49 | ArmEagle | anyone ever heard of that before? |
| 09:07.53 | Noborusan | Supaplex, may i ask ? |
| 09:07.55 | Supaplex | ArmEagle: yes. |
| 09:08.16 | ArmEagle | Supaplex oh? how? |
| 09:08.20 | Supaplex | Noborusan: ask (not specifically anyone) anytime here. |
| 09:08.28 | Noborusan | ok |
| 09:08.48 | JoR | I yust found this channel and now have some Questions because I wanted to take a look for Debian. I installed it some weeks ago... |
| 09:08.49 | Supaplex | ArmEagle: dmesg | less might know better for your situation. stuff happens. |
| 09:08.50 | _oP | thanks for help, i am trying ddrescue now, hope i still can scratch some data of this cd |
| 09:09.01 | Noborusan | something is strange, in /var/log/httpd/ all access_log are empty |
| 09:09.05 | nelf | I've ssh'd into a machine, and have colours when I do 'ls' (very pretty) - green for files, light blue for symlinks, but what does white on a red background mean? |
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| 09:09.21 | Supaplex | nelf: broken symlink? |
| 09:09.32 | nelf | /bin/mount |
| 09:09.32 | Noborusan | i do remember i could read contents from there in the file access_log |
| 09:09.40 | Supaplex | nelf: suid root |
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| 09:09.59 | nelf | Supaplex: Aha... yes |
| 09:12.35 | ArmEagle | Supaplex first entry "hdc: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }" and more.. but "journal_bmap: journal block not found at offset 9228 on hdc1" it remounted read-only. time to google that stuff |
| 09:12.44 | ArmEagle | nn! |
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| 09:12.54 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: after 8% got 3 failures allready in memory |
| 09:13.17 | slapfaceware | there is no roundcube in etch? |
| 09:13.21 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: yikes. time to RMA that puppy. (or consider the 'badram' patch to map it out) |
| 09:13.37 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: is it round? or a cube? %-) |
| 09:13.52 | SpeedyG | well, I dont know where I got this one |
| 09:13.56 | SpeedyG | so time to get new RAM |
| 09:14.10 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: ddr? sdram? |
| 09:14.58 | SpeedyG | DDR |
| 09:15.16 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: what speed/size? |
| 09:15.24 | Supaplex | of the one you're using now |
| 09:15.28 | SpeedyG | 512MB DDR, 400Mhz, but no clue on other details |
| 09:15.35 | Supaplex | I see. |
| 09:15.38 | SpeedyG | took it out of one of my other boxes :) |
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| 09:16.06 | SpeedyG | but, weird thing is, first mem-bank made it fail boot at all |
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| 09:16.46 | SpeedyG | that was a crucial 512MB DDR400 3200 CL3 ECC unit |
| 09:17.24 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: my ident is busticated. let's take it to #daxal for min. |
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| 09:18.40 | slapfaceware | how do i install a sarge package on etch? |
| 09:18.42 | Siddharta | hello gentlemen |
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| 09:19.04 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: with care. what package is it? |
| 09:19.13 | slapfaceware | roundcube |
| 09:20.15 | slapfaceware | it's in testing and unstable |
| 09:20.41 | Supaplex | and oldstable, but not stable? |
| 09:20.49 | codept | hello |
| 09:20.57 | Supaplex | !wave codept |
| 09:21.21 | slapfaceware | etch debian 4.0 is what im using |
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| 09:21.34 | codept | is .bash_profile a initial script for sh shell |
| 09:21.38 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: if you want to use something from testing, use a backport. |
| 09:21.43 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware -about backports |
| 09:21.48 | codept | or its only for bourne shell |
| 09:22.00 | Supaplex | or if it's not in backports, ask dpkg about simple sid backport |
| 09:22.12 | themill | codept: .bash_profile is for bash not sh and it is only sourced by login shells |
| 09:22.32 | nelf | Hmm...my SCSI bus has hung, and everthing is mounted read only - is there a way I can kick my aacraid controller back into action, or will it need a reboot. |
| 09:22.41 | codept | themill: login shells is what i meant. hee...but what about source for sh? |
| 09:22.51 | codept | themill: is it .profile? |
| 09:22.55 | themill | codept: yes |
| 09:23.03 | themill | !tell codept about dotfiles |
| 09:23.13 | codept | themill: thanks! |
| 09:23.16 | themill | that wiki site talks a lot about them, iirc |
| 09:24.05 | themill | codept: by login shells, I mean starting bash as bash -ls or xterm -ls or with the xterm login resource set |
| 09:24.26 | codept | yup |
| 09:24.58 | themill | codept: good -- just making sure we didn't have crossed wires. "Why isn't my .bash_profile sourced?" is a pretty common question here. |
| 09:25.40 | codept | because i thought sh and bourne are the same |
| 09:26.36 | themill | on a default debian install, sh is a symlink to bash BUT bash does not behave like bash when it is started as sh, it drops to an sh-compatability mode. (just like vim does if you run it as vi) |
| 09:26.58 | codept | ah i see |
| 09:27.14 | themill | Also, the debian alternatives mechanism allows you to replace the sh->bash link with other bourne shells like dash and posh |
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| 09:27.17 | nelf | How to reboot a machine with a RO filesystem? It says 'input/output error' when I run reboot? |
| 09:27.44 | themill | codept: In fact, I think *buntu use dash instead of bash to shave a couple of secs off their startup time. |
| 09:28.19 | codept | shell type affect startup time? didn't see that |
| 09:28.29 | Supaplex | !#/bin/bash |
| 09:28.50 | Coweater | nelf: telinit 6 might work, i guess you can't mess anything up since the fs is read only |
| 09:29.10 | slapfaceware | mm what's stable and OLDstable? |
| 09:29.15 | themill | codept: bash is a 300 lb gorilla.... dash is somewhat more lightweight |
| 09:29.19 | slapfaceware | i'm using etch 4.0 is that stable old OLDSTABLE |
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| 09:29.33 | themill | slapfaceware: etch is stable; sarge is oldstable |
| 09:29.39 | themill | !tell slapfaceware about releases |
| 09:29.40 | slapfaceware | what's testing then |
| 09:29.48 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware -about releases |
| 09:29.55 | slapfaceware | so silly |
| 09:30.01 | themill | why? |
| 09:30.02 | codept | wow...this tell bot is good |
| 09:30.06 | Supaplex | heh :P didn't see themill. |
| 09:30.09 | socialist | anyone know which, if any of the available dhcp clients can update /etc/hosts? none I've tried so far are doing it |
| 09:30.19 | smhar | it seems that my problems with booting debian from the harddisk is the BIOS not correctly reconizing the harddisk, what is the best way to find out all the info required for the BIOS settings? |
| 09:30.24 | themill | Supaplex: itchy trigger finger this morning... and I haven't even touched the coffee yet |
| 09:30.26 | slapfaceware | stable, oldstable, testing, old testing |
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| 09:30.35 | themill | slapfaceware: there's no old testing |
| 09:30.36 | slapfaceware | unstable, newunstable |
| 09:30.38 | Supaplex | socialist: per default, none, as it'll toture X |
| 09:30.44 | Supaplex | !#/bin/bash |
| 09:30.44 | dpkg | I'm not a bash shell you $*@$(! idiot! |
| 09:30.44 | smhar | ohh... and Auto detecting doen't work |
| 09:30.46 | themill | slapfaceware: wtf? |
| 09:30.47 | slapfaceware | unstable and experemental |
| 09:30.56 | themill | dpkg: shut up |
| 09:30.56 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 09:31.12 | themill | !botspank |
| 09:31.12 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 09:31.14 | Supaplex | ahh a classic. |
| 09:31.15 | socialist | Supaplex: yeah but are any capable of doing it that you know of |
| 09:31.19 | socialist | I'm not even running X |
| 09:31.35 | nelf | Coweater: No effect or error messages. |
| 09:31.45 | socialist | I know whichever SLES uses does it, but I don't have a SLES box local atm |
| 09:31.49 | Supaplex | socialist: I didn't investigate it fully, but I believe it's a /etc/..../blah.conf option for some of them. |
| 09:32.03 | socialist | hm ok I'll look more |
| 09:32.12 | Coweater | nelf: don't have physical access? |
| 09:32.16 | themill | whois slapfaceware |
| 09:32.19 | Supaplex | socialist: ahh, ask a suse channel what's the default for them, and stick your nose in the configs. :) |
| 09:32.26 | ArmEagle | anyone familiar with SMART tools? the '-l error' log shows errors by 'power-on lifetime'. Is there a way to see how 'old' the disk now actually is (in those power-on lifetime hours)? |
| 09:32.29 | socialist | ooh good idea |
| 09:32.29 | nelf | Coweater: not without calling in an engineer |
| 09:32.31 | Supaplex | themill: he's right here. |
| 09:32.56 | themill | slapfaceware: bah... misfire .,.,.. is there a specific question we can deal help you with? |
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| 09:33.19 | themill | slapfaceware: or are you just generally trolling through all the linux channels? |
| 09:33.34 | socialist | you know, it might just be an if-up.d script or something |
| 09:33.46 | Supaplex | themill: he's johnny 5's alter ego. ;) |
| 09:33.49 | slapfaceware | i need a usable and non-ugly webmail solution on debian stable etch, not squirrelmail and sqwebmail |
| 09:34.05 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: hire $programmer |
| 09:34.08 | Ranpha1 | Guys i want to spindown my disk in my fileserver , their normal seagates 500gb disk and i'm not using all of them at once. I hear divffernt stories about decreasing lifetime , others say that it's good to save power. what are you thoughts about this? |
| 09:34.08 | enouf | !tell slapfaceware -about grounding |
| 09:34.33 | slapfaceware | can i just grab some sarge package and install it on stable? |
| 09:34.43 | themill | slapfaceware: there's no such thing as non-ugly webmail. |
| 09:35.04 | Supaplex | even gmail is hideous |
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| 09:35.27 | themill | slapfaceware: unlikely. If it's just php then yes, but anything compiled is going to complain in an etch environ. |
| 09:35.38 | petemc | we've got a nice skin for squirrelmail |
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| 09:36.13 | enouf | smhar: your motherboard manual is best for BIOS settings |
| 09:36.21 | ArmEagle | hmm.. doesn't help that a short SMART test returns a read failure .. |
| 09:36.24 | slapfaceware | i want any webmail on stable/etch except squirrelmail and sqwebmail |
| 09:36.26 | |bb7| | hi, does anyone know a small benchmark toot to compare two cpu's? |
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| 09:36.51 | |bb7| | it should run on the console |
| 09:36.57 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware -about repeat |
| 09:36.58 | themill | !tell slapfaceware about search |
| 09:37.17 | themill | !tell slapfaceware about popcon |
| 09:37.33 | themill | dpkg: thanks |
| 09:37.33 | dpkg | my pleasure, themill |
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| 09:37.40 | steinchen | hi all |
| 09:37.50 | Supaplex | themill: I think he has 12 tattoos of 'search' by now. :P |
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| 09:37.57 | Supaplex | !seen all |
| 09:37.58 | dpkg | all <n=isaac@cpe-071-077-044-227.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 339d 13h 18m 54s ago, saying: 'hey'. |
| 09:38.09 | themill | !confuse slapfaceware |
| 09:38.09 | dpkg | Yes, those are your bacon tomorrow, slapfaceware? shirts of the democracy of swaziland with extra cream |
| 09:38.30 | ArmEagle | Supaplex ah.. that ext3 issue might have occured with a disk error, nicely logged by SMART.. 92 hours ago, that could work.. |
| 09:39.04 | all | howdy! |
| 09:39.06 | Supaplex | ArmEagle: ouch. |
| 09:39.07 | steinchen | i tried to install beryl from unstable, but stopped because of an error .. now im getting Locale errors nonstop (in example with samba: nmbd/etc/init.d/samba: line 30: 17262 Aborted (core dumped) ) and i cant launch some apps. removed unstable from apt-sources, but cant fix it? |
| 09:39.08 | ArmEagle | i actualyl had this disk in my desktop box before, when it started acting weird. But it performed just fine as data disc |
| 09:39.16 | ArmEagle | (in my server) |
| 09:39.18 | themill | !seen all |
| 09:39.19 | dpkg | all <n=stuart@phoenix.chm.bris.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14s ago, saying: 'howdy!'. |
| 09:39.22 | ArmEagle | i guess now it's really time to replace it |
| 09:39.24 | themill | hey, that's better |
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| 09:39.45 | Supaplex | themill: you're too eaisly amused. |
| 09:39.48 | DrthHmstr | sup? |
| 09:40.02 | steinchen | any hints how to solve that? |
| 09:40.05 | ArmEagle | ..funny though. the root disk on that server is a terribly old 1GB disk :) |
| 09:40.19 | brubelsabs | the "install" kernel boot parameter isn't listed in my kernel-parameters.txt, where could I find documentation about those? |
| 09:40.31 | themill | steinchen: beryl isn't in unstable. what did you do? |
| 09:40.40 | |bb7| | hi, does anyone know a small benchmark toot to compare two cpu's? |
| 09:40.56 | brubelsabs | linpack? |
| 09:41.09 | themill | Supaplex: no, just looking for displacement activities to avoid attacking some vb code |
| 09:41.10 | Supaplex | |bb7|: diff on /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:41.25 | steinchen | i followed the install instructions on debianforum.de |
| 09:41.36 | brubelsabs | Supaplex: bogomips? not really a benchmark |
| 09:42.15 | themill | brubelsabs: I've never heard of "install" what do you think it does? |
| 09:42.26 | enouf | cpuburn(?) |
| 09:42.28 | Supaplex | brubelsabs: true. |
| 09:42.53 | enouf | themill: me neither |
| 09:43.02 | Supaplex | |bb7|: did stfw on 'linux benchmark howto' pull anything? |
| 09:43.20 | steinchen | regenerating locales even doesnt help :-( |
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| 09:43.27 | themill | steinchen: oh dear. compiz is in sid... any packages that aren't in sid are never going to keep track with it and are going to break often. |
| 09:43.27 | enouf | hehe http://lxr.linux.no/search?v=2.6.17.13&string=install |
| 09:43.50 | Supaplex | !btssmite steinchen |
| 09:43.52 | Supaplex | steinchen: #382296, #382319, #382552, #382579, #382759, #390323, #382387 |
| 09:44.05 | brubelsabs | themill: sorry I'm messed things up here, but the "showopts" option isn't listed either.. |
| 09:44.08 | steinchen | getting "/usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" when dpkre-reconfigure locales |
| 09:44.13 | steinchen | ty |
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| 09:44.23 | t1m0s | hellow! |
| 09:44.48 | enouf | vga/vesa showopts? |
| 09:44.51 | Supaplex | steinchen: strace is your friend |
| 09:44.57 | steinchen | ill try |
| 09:45.28 | enouf | install locales? |
| 09:45.33 | brubelsabs | enouf: I only know all options listed after the "showopts" option are displayed and those before not.. |
| 09:45.43 | steinchen | reinstall of locales not possible |
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| 09:46.00 | enouf | brubelsabs: i have no idea what you're talking about |
| 09:46.12 | smhar | enouf, this computer I got from a friend using windows and got so bored with its slowness on it specially when the HD crashed, so he give it to me, I attached a new HD and installed slackware and was working like a champ... now and after several years.. I am replacing it with debian |
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| 09:46.36 | smhar | enouf, it is P2 233MHz with 32MB RAM |
| 09:46.42 | enouf | smhar: I see |
| 09:46.43 | brubelsabs | enouf: BTW it is a useless option, but I search a comprehensive archive of kernel parameters (need to seliver an auotyast file) |
| 09:47.07 | smhar | enouf, bottom line: no motherboard manual :-) |
| 09:47.10 | slapfaceware | yah linux is good at running on garbage box |
| 09:47.12 | steinchen | strace doesnt help me alot - or i cant read the output correctly :-( |
| 09:47.15 | Supaplex | steinchen: try again, but run this first: unset LANG LC_CTYPE or consider using env to hack it down. |
| 09:47.18 | brubelsabs | enouf: wait a moment please If you have something like this: |
| 09:47.19 | enouf | smhar: still, usually mobo manual can be tracked down through the web, dmidecode can help with info about it too |
| 09:47.55 | enouf | smhar: but anyways , try using the lowmem= option maybe at boot prompt |
| 09:47.58 | Supaplex | steinchen: there's -o for that. find out what's spewing No such file or directory and what file it's after |
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| 09:48.07 | enouf | !tell smhar -about ig |
| 09:48.30 | steinchen | "Generation complete." after unset |
| 09:48.49 | smhar | memory is not a problem.. it worked fine with slackware.. and I managed to install debian using the install floppies |
| 09:48.56 | brubelsabs | enouf: 'append initrd=something showopts foobar' then the initrd param isn't mirrored to stdout, but the foobar param is. |
| 09:49.11 | enouf | smhar: 32MB is small |
| 09:49.32 | Supaplex | smhar: even my openwrt router has 64MB |
| 09:49.35 | enouf | smhar: and it certainly can be an issue with the etch installer - go read |
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| 09:49.44 | smhar | enouf, this is a file server with no X |
| 09:49.45 | Supaplex | not that it needs it. :) |
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| 09:50.06 | enouf | smhar: i don't care if it's a pez dispenser |
| 09:50.07 | Supaplex | used is 12292kb |
| 09:50.36 | smhar | Supaplex, enouf , the install is completed successfully :-) |
| 09:51.00 | enouf | !congrats smhar |
| 09:51.08 | smhar | Supaplex, enouf , if it was not for the BIOS and booting, the system would have been running by now. |
| 09:51.55 | themill | enouf: the command is congratulate (.*?) |
| 09:52.06 | enouf | smhar: why won't it boot? your BIOS must 1st detect the HDD |
| 09:52.10 | Supaplex | !congratulate apt |
| 09:52.10 | dpkg | Huzzah apt, you did it! |
| 09:52.19 | enouf | !prize themill |
| 09:52.20 | jelly-home | smhar: you can always plug the disk into another, faster machine, install and put it back |
| 09:52.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:52.47 | enouf | jelly-home: s/he says it's "installed" |
| 09:52.55 | jelly-home | oh |
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| 09:53.10 | smhar | enouf, the system was running slackware 10 with the same specs and connected to my small network of 3 computers and dreambox tv receiver for several years with no problem... it has a uptime record of 8 months until I had electricity problem in my house :-) |
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| 09:53.36 | Supaplex | ups > public utility |
| 09:53.36 | enouf | smhar: my main box is not much better specs than that, no have to sell me ;-) |
| 09:53.51 | Trewas | smhar: is that some larger hd, I have a pentium 200 mmx where the bios does not recognize >32GB hds correctly and cannot boot from those |
| 09:53.55 | enouf | smhar: i misundrstood your issue, i gues |
| 09:54.23 | Supaplex | Trewas: does the drive support forced clipping? maybe the oem has a utility for it. |
| 09:54.23 | smhar | jelly-home, butthe install was not a problem... I did it with expert mode, minimum everything using the install floppies and it was a charm |
| 09:54.26 | steinchen | unset helped regenerating the locales - but im still getting gtk errors ... (Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.) |
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| 09:54.33 | enouf | smhar: as long as you have a debian kernel and initrd, it should boot fine (barring any hardware issues) |
| 09:54.55 | smhar | enouf, the problem with the harddisk is that it doesn't show on the AutoDetect of the bios. so I had to set it as USER |
| 09:54.59 | Trewas | Supaplex: I don't obviously use that computer anymore, and larger disks worked fine in linux when a smaller disk was used as a boot drive |
| 09:55.12 | enouf | smhar: silly, but whatever |
| 09:55.14 | Supaplex | steinchen: echo $LANG $LC_CTYPE |
| 09:55.29 | smhar | Trewas, yes... it is 120GB that once booted, linux can recognize fully :-) |
| 09:55.39 | enouf | smhar: maybe too large a HDD for BIOS |
| 09:55.43 | steinchen | echo $LANG $LC_CTYPE |
| 09:55.43 | steinchen | de_DE@euro |
| 09:56.36 | enouf | smhar: like i said, in reference to my main sys specs, i have 80GB HDDs, but the BIOS only sees 64GB of them :-P |
| 09:56.37 | Supaplex | Trewas: better luck than I. I had a p133 laptop that didn't like 2gb+ drives period. I was so sad after spending $100 on the 10gb drive I had for it so long ago. |
| 09:56.40 | smhar | enouf, I think the maximum for the BIOS is 8GB :-) |
| 09:56.45 | enouf | smhar: not an issue for linux though |
| 09:56.46 | jelly-home | smhar: some IDE disks have jumper settings that clip the size shown to the BIOS to 32GB |
| 09:56.55 | Supaplex | !lba48 |
| 09:56.56 | enouf | smhar: that was prior to LDA yes |
| 09:56.59 | enouf | er LBA |
| 09:57.00 | enouf | ] |
| 09:57.05 | Trewas | Supaplex: heh |
| 09:57.09 | enouf | and int13h extensions |
| 09:57.24 | enouf | jelly-home: i know that too |
| 09:57.34 | enouf | jelly-home: these hitachis do |
| 09:57.46 | enouf | but that's not the issue here, it'a a crappy bios ;-) |
| 09:57.55 | enouf | old and decrepid |
| 09:58.07 | jelly-home | enouf: how do you know that's not the issue? |
| 09:58.16 | enouf | jelly-home: because there is no issue |
| 09:58.24 | jelly-home | enouf: that setting is used just for old bioses |
| 09:58.41 | jelly-home | so everything works? |
| 09:58.56 | enouf | jelly-home: there is no issue, (for me) .. yes everything works fine here ;-) |
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| 09:59.22 | jelly-home | !lart enouf |
| 09:59.35 | enouf | heh |
| 09:59.52 | smhar | enouf, currently I set the HD settings in the bios as USER with MODE AUTO... one booting, it still doesn't show on the hardware schedule displayed by BIOS but booting from a floppy distro I can mount the harddisk and use it |
| 10:00.26 | jelly-home | smhar: was the previous distro installed on this same HD? |
| 10:00.27 | Supaplex | deyam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_block_addressing ... LBA addresses in 48-bit results in a disk size limit of 128 PiB (@512b/s) ... |
| 10:00.31 | steinchen | read the bugs, but thats only samba .. problem here seems further |
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| 10:01.02 | smhar | enouf, the BIOS is AMI 1995 |
| 10:01.03 | micty | how do I restart the desktop, in is black ? |
| 10:01.07 | enouf | smhar: as jelly-home eluded too, not only do some HDDs have multipkle jumpers for reporting various disk sizes, but also for Ma/Slave config |
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| 10:01.48 | enouf | smhar: nice, mine's circa 99 , but i have an old p166 like that too :-) |
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| 10:02.21 | smhar | jelly-home, interesting question. yes. Slackware 10 was instaleld on the same hd but still couldn't boot, so using its install system I installed LILO to /dev/fd0 and got the system booting from the floppy and then the harddisk take over... |
| 10:02.26 | Pete | hey |
| 10:02.35 | jelly-home | smhar: so do it the same way now. |
| 10:02.36 | smhar | jelly-home, this doesn' seem to work for me in Debian |
| 10:02.41 | Pete | I'm trying to install debian @ sgi o2, anyone familiar? |
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| 10:03.00 | Supaplex | Pete: ship me one, and I will be soon. |
| 10:03.03 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 10:03.13 | enouf | smhar: have you tried flashing the BIOS? is it flashable? |
| 10:03.17 | smhar | enouf, The harddisk is primary master and its jumber is set correct |
| 10:03.18 | tenzind | hi, is creating a disk dump using dd same as creating an iso file from a cd? |
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| 10:03.25 | Pete | give address, I have 12 of those :P |
| 10:03.38 | Supaplex | Pete: #daxal |
| 10:03.39 | Trewas | smhar: sounds like the exact same problem I had, if the bios does not "see" a hd it can't boot from it even if it works in linux when it is booted from elsewehre |
| 10:03.42 | jelly-home | smhar: does it have a 32GB clipping jumpber setting? If it has, try it |
| 10:03.51 | enouf | p2's are from 96-99 era mainly - mine's a 350/100FSB |
| 10:03.59 | smhar | jelly-home, Grub boots from the floppy but it gives faild to boot harddisk or sometinng similar. |
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| 10:04.09 | smhar | enouf, not tried flashing yet |
| 10:04.24 | jelly-home | smhar: of course. GRUB knows only of those devices BIOS tells it about. |
| 10:05.06 | smhar | Trewas, it does see it... just not correctly. If I set the harddisk to NONE and booted fro ma floppy, I would not be able to mount it... but now I can |
| 10:05.33 | smhar | jelly-home, no such setting |
| 10:05.50 | Pete | Supaplex: sorry, I'm newbie in here, what do u mean #daxal? |
| 10:06.09 | smhar | enouf, I am taling about the BIOS message in the boot not the date the pc was manufactured |
| 10:06.22 | jelly-home | smhar: I'm mildly surprised LILO had worked before |
| 10:06.25 | Supaplex | Pete: as in /join #daxal (so we don't bother debian with offtopic) |
| 10:07.38 | jelly-home | smhar: maybe it's only in the HD specs. But not all drives have it. |
| 10:07.43 | enouf | smhar: that's the last BIOS dated version, yes? so, the PC must've been manu prior, or at that time |
| 10:08.14 | enouf | smhar: dmidecode/biodeocde helps there too, if ever up, and that info needed. |
| 10:08.21 | smhar | enouf, jelly-home , when I set grub to install to /dev/fd0 in the install system, I checked the floppy and it was empty... it seems there is no kernel or initrd in it... just the boot sector set... and it then directs to the harddisk /boot . I do not remember slackware boot floppy settings |
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| 10:09.08 | smhar | enouf, what are these? |
| 10:09.20 | enouf | utilities |
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| 10:09.30 | steinchen | :-( |
| 10:09.34 | steinchen | same prob |
| 10:09.53 | smhar | I know.. I meant.. from where? linux install floppies? |
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| 10:10.07 | enouf | and no, a grub floppy won't have a kernel on it, nor initrd, the vmlinuz is over 4MB anyways |
| 10:10.12 | steinchen | "GNOME Terminal: locale not understood by C library, internationalization will not work" |
| 10:10.36 | enouf | smhar: no, apt-get install dmidecode , from repos |
| 10:11.38 | enouf | does that thing boot from cdrom? my p166 does (circa 1995) |
| 10:12.55 | jelly-home | smhar: that's the way grub works, no disk format. and the kernel wouldn't fit on a 1.44. |
| 10:12.58 | smhar | enouf, yes.. it does.. but the install hangs in the middle if it is from the CD... probably crappy drive |
| 10:13.18 | enouf | smhar: off the top of my head, choices, maybe are, 1 flash the BIOS, 2 install sarge and lilo, and upgrade |
| 10:13.58 | enouf | smhar: i meant you can make a grub boot cd - seen supergrub disk? |
| 10:14.16 | smhar | enouf, I am considering now flashing with LinuxBios |
| 10:14.23 | enouf | heh |
| 10:14.24 | jelly-home | enouf: how would a grub cd be better than a grub floppy? |
| 10:14.27 | enouf | ;-) |
| 10:14.27 | smhar | enouf, no |
| 10:14.41 | enouf | jelly-home: only if he wanted to add more than a floppy can hold |
| 10:14.48 | slapfaceware | why the fuck conf.d in debian |
| 10:15.02 | enouf | !fix slapfaceware |
| 10:15.05 | slapfaceware | apache2 has conf.d, so do exim4 and so on |
| 10:15.16 | slapfaceware | trying to confuse administrator huh |
| 10:15.24 | slapfaceware | with dynamic configuration file? |
| 10:15.34 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: that's just a common name for run-parts style directories |
| 10:15.45 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware about install it |
| 10:16.09 | slapfaceware | run parts? why would anyone want a dynamic configuration file? |
| 10:16.34 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: because it's easier to maintain |
| 10:16.46 | Supaplex | flexorbility |
| 10:17.02 | slapfaceware | easy my ass |
| 10:17.11 | enouf | smhar: another ave to see is grub2 see grub.enbug.org and #grub, i've built it and toyed a bit, but not too much |
| 10:17.14 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: emacs users were complaining it takes to long to update. now they can do it in vim. ;) |
| 10:17.25 | Supaplex | !tell slapfaceware about sucks |
| 10:17.29 | slapfaceware | it's just more confusing |
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| 10:17.38 | slapfaceware | no other distro is like debian conf.d |
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| 10:17.48 | smhar | there is an setting in the harddisk page in BIOS called PRECOMP, what is that?! |
| 10:18.04 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: those two you mentioned do not have anything in common, except for the name. |
| 10:18.16 | enouf | smhar: is there a choice for lba? |
| 10:18.26 | slapfaceware | i mentioned exim4 and apache2, i believe there are more |
| 10:18.34 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: Apache upsteam uses conf.d/ too |
| 10:18.48 | enouf | smhar: i don't know precomp offhand |
| 10:19.10 | enouf | smhar: believe it or not pcguide.com might help with older setups like that |
| 10:19.29 | Supaplex | sucks to be slapfaceware. 'oh no, It is not what I expected! how dumb!' |
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| 10:20.16 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: wadr, ask the maintainers their reasoning (if they deviate from upstream) |
| 10:20.16 | enouf | m00sH |
| 10:20.19 | petemc | slapfaceware: no one is forced to use the debian config mechanisms |
| 10:20.27 | slapfaceware | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.40 | petemc | slapfaceware: put your own config at /etc/exim4/exim4.conf , exim will use that |
| 10:21.10 | petemc | slapfaceware: in fact, you dont have to use debian AT ALL , you're free to use whatever you choose |
| 10:21.24 | jelly-home | slapfaceware: do you have a specific issue, or just need to vent? |
| 10:21.25 | Supaplex | slapfaceware: yes, init scripts are config files to. if you modify them, they're not designed to be upgraded w/o your consent. |
| 10:21.27 | smhar | enouf, yes, but when set to LBA, the Cylinders and heads change to wrong settings and become read only |
| 10:21.38 | enouf | smhar: ouch |
| 10:21.42 | jelly-home | smhar: "wrong settings"? |
| 10:21.58 | Supaplex | bad settings. no biscuit. |
| 10:22.07 | enouf | !cookie |
| 10:22.09 | dpkg | Hey enouf, _default ~kernel is |
| 10:22.10 | smhar | jelly, the heads are 16 but it becomes 256 |
| 10:22.22 | enouf | dpkg thanks |
| 10:22.22 | jelly-home | smhar: 255? |
| 10:22.22 | dpkg | de rien, enouf |
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| 10:22.28 | jelly-home | smhar: that' ok. |
| 10:22.28 | smhar | oops |
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| 10:22.44 | Supaplex | !comfort slapfaceware |
| 10:22.44 | dpkg | There, there, slapfaceware. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 10:22.51 | steinchen | man: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 10:23.01 | steinchen | gawd.. even manpages dont work anymore |
| 10:23.03 | steinchen | what now? |
| 10:23.12 | smhar | jelly-home, there is also LARGE mode, but it sets heads to 128 |
| 10:23.15 | Supaplex | steinchen: check the i-g on how the locales are installed/handled. |
| 10:23.21 | Mmike | Where do I find netinst iso image for debian testing, for i386? I went here: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, but this page: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ is empty. |
| 10:23.27 | jelly-home | smhar: just use LBA. |
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| 10:23.43 | smhar | jelly-home, only NORMAL and AUTO allows changing it to 16... the correct setting |
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| 10:23.53 | enouf | i ran into that locale issue, forget how i got out of the nightmare loop though |
| 10:24.00 | steinchen | i-g? sorry but im still new to deb :) |
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| 10:24.40 | enouf | !tell steinchen -about ig |
| 10:24.41 | jelly-home | smhar: no, 16 heads is not more correct in any special way compared to LBA geometry. |
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| 10:24.58 | steinchen | ty |
| 10:24.59 | sts | hello folks |
| 10:25.21 | enouf | !tell steinchen -about msg the bot |
| 10:25.24 | sts | in case i'd like to restore just one file of an installed package, what would i need to do? |
| 10:25.36 | smhar | jelly-home, but it is what is told in the harddisk page: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101203 |
| 10:25.50 | jelly-home | smhar: HD electronics and firmware just convert that to real geometry instead. Use LBA. |
| 10:25.54 | enouf | steinchen: (just so you can use her yourself) ;-) |
| 10:26.14 | sts | can i tell dpkg to extract one file of the package? e.g. /etc/request-tracker3.6/apache2-fastcgi.conf? |
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| 10:26.37 | steinchen | enouf, i see. thanks ;) |
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| 10:26.58 | enouf | np |
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| 10:29.17 | jelly-home | smhar: those numbers are used only for old machines. If your BIOS supports LBA, use it. |
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| 10:31.24 | enouf | smhar: USER mode allows you to alter the CHS layout, you shouldn't be using any of that on newer zoned-bit HDDs (since mid-late 90's ?) |
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| 10:33.15 | steinchen | powerless :-/ |
| 10:33.26 | steinchen | or even senseless? |
| 10:35.04 | rvsjoen | is it possible to install vmware server in a debian box and then run a w2k3 server on it ? |
| 10:35.12 | jelly-home | rvsjoen: yes. |
| 10:35.16 | rvsjoen | great |
| 10:35.31 | jelly-home | rvsjoen: not sure about 2003, I only run XP. |
| 10:35.32 | enouf | see #vmware or use qemu ;-) |
| 10:36.01 | jelly-home | fuck qemu |
| 10:36.29 | rvsjoen | i'll give it a shot, thanks. I'd hate to have to reinstall my server with 2003 just to do some silly exercises on my course |
| 10:36.31 | enouf | !touch jelly-home |
| 10:36.32 | dpkg | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 10:37.03 | steinchen | jelly-home, try virtualbox then |
| 10:37.16 | jelly-home | steinchen: no need to, vmware works. |
| 10:37.19 | enouf | openvmz |
| 10:37.27 | enouf | kvm |
| 10:37.36 | enouf | vmwarez sucks ass |
| 10:37.57 | smhar | jelly-home, , enouf .. ok.. KI will do a couple of test then.. let me try this |
| 10:38.00 | slapfaceware | enouf sucks ass |
| 10:38.10 | steinchen | indeed - virtualbox doesnt.. running 2 xps parallel plus one 2k3 server - all with networking and sound etcetc.. virtualbox is really smart |
| 10:38.10 | jelly-home | The only thing I miss in free vmware-server is support for USB2 |
| 10:38.28 | enouf | !penixstrike slapfaceware |
| 10:38.28 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking slapfaceware to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 10:38.28 | steinchen | ubs also works with vbox ;) |
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| 10:39.10 | jelly-home | steinchen: can you eg. use usb2 attached hard drives? |
| 10:39.19 | enouf | and yes, on occassion if she's hot enouf ;-) |
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| 10:39.31 | steinchen | didnt test, but guess yes, since it has full usb support |
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| 10:41.34 | cast | random nifty thing i learnt: ctrl-n completes words in vim |
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| 10:42.23 | jeremy_g | how do you query details of a particular package |
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| 10:42.34 | cast | apt-cache show pkg |
| 10:42.37 | jeremy_g | like i wanna know which version of mysql is installed on my server |
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| 10:42.42 | cast | aptitude show pkg |
| 10:42.51 | tristian | cast: ok that is nifty... |
| 10:43.04 | cast | oh, dpkg -l pkg if its installed |
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| 10:43.33 | jeremy_g | thanks :) |
| 10:44.21 | cast | tristian: there's 'omni' completion too, if you're coding in python or C where it'll complete struct member names and such - as i understand it |
| 10:44.37 | jelly-home | steinchen: neat. I'd like to be able to fsck some NTFS formatted USB drives. |
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| 10:45.54 | KoRn69 | Salut tlm |
| 10:46.39 | tristian | cast: hm, i'll have to check that out |
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| 10:47.38 | steinchen | how do i fix my locales now? installing unstable?? :-( |
| 10:48.30 | twb | steinchen: what is the problem? programs complain about your locale settings? |
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| 10:49.18 | twb | steinchen: if so, please pastebin the output of the following commands: dpkg -l locales && locale && cat /etc/locale.gen |
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| 10:50.46 | steinchen | twb yes thats the prob it seems, tried to install some pack from unstable :-( |
| 10:51.01 | jeremy_g | i just want to upgrade my libssl 0.9.7 to 0.9.8 |
| 10:51.42 | jeremy_g | how do i tell apt to install only 0.9.8 and not any newer or older |
| 10:51.56 | jelly-home | jeremy_g: which Debian release? |
| 10:52.10 | tristian | jeremy_g, apt-get install libssl=0.9.8 or some such... :-) |
| 10:52.11 | jeremy_g | etch |
| 10:52.22 | twb | Etch includes 0.9.8 |
| 10:52.25 | jelly-home | jeremy_g: you should already have 0.9.8 on etch |
| 10:52.42 | jeremy_g | what does apt-get add do btw :) |
| 10:52.43 | steinchen | http://paste.debian.net/35077 |
| 10:52.51 | jeremy_g | read it in a book yesterday |
| 10:52.55 | jelly-home | jeremy_g: what is your real problem? |
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| 10:53.25 | nuxien | hello |
| 10:53.31 | jeremy_g | jelly-home:nothing in particular at the moment, your probably solved it, lemme try |
| 10:53.34 | twb | steinchen: that looks fine. |
| 10:53.40 | nuxien | i have a problem to install debian lenny on my laptop |
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| 10:53.49 | nuxien | grub or grub2 failed |
| 10:53.58 | steinchen | twb, default should be de_DE |
| 10:54.03 | nuxien | it is a bug with raid partition? |
| 10:54.29 | twb | steinchen: then all you need to do is set your login script correctly. |
| 10:55.07 | steinchen | may you help me? |
| 10:55.15 | twb | steinchen: what is your shell? |
| 10:55.33 | steinchen | bash |
| 10:56.13 | twb | steinchen: do you have a ~/.bash_profile? |
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| 10:56.47 | steinchen | yes i do |
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| 10:57.17 | steinchen | and ~/.bashrc |
| 10:57.30 | twb | steinchen: run the following command, then log in: echo export LANG=de_DE.utf8 >>~/.bash_profile |
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| 10:58.04 | jeremy_g | now this is funny, i just asked it to upgrade me to libssl0.9.8 and now it says i gotta install some other package dependencies including e2fsprogs which needs to be replaced with some autoloop flag |
| 10:58.08 | jeremy_g | thats crazy |
| 10:58.48 | steinchen | did, but running e.g. evolution brings: http://paste.debian.net/35078 |
| 11:00.01 | jelly-home | jeremy_g: sounds like you don't really have etch, then. Or you have messed up /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:00.46 | Rapp | how do i tell apt-get to use backports.org packages? i've got the source line in my /apt/sources.list, but i guess backports.org is not activated by default...? |
| 11:01.11 | Noborusan | how can i know the actual RAM is being used ? |
| 11:01.12 | twb | Rapp: apt-get update |
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| 11:01.20 | twb | Noborusan: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:01.27 | sep | Rapp, read the instructions on backports.org |
| 11:01.30 | steinchen | Noborusan, or free |
| 11:01.45 | Rapp | sep, thanks... obvious :) |
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| 11:01.59 | Noborusan | usually,linux tries to allocate all available RAM but this doesnt mean they are actually being assigned for applications |
| 11:01.59 | Noborusan | any tips ? |
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| 11:02.31 | sep | Noborusan, tips about what ? |
| 11:02.32 | jelly-home | Noborusan: you already have a tip from steinchen. |
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| 11:02.50 | wsxws | hi all |
| 11:02.57 | fireba11 | Noborusan: use free and add the cache :-D |
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| 11:04.48 | wsxws | ive got a server with 6 ips (1 main and 5 additional) i run apache 2 and i alread have a bunch of site on the 5 additional ips and everything works fine. but as soon as i a2ensite a domain on the main ip the phpmyadnin doesnt work nomore. (error 500 internal eror the browser says). waht to do to avoid that ? |
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| 11:05.33 | jelly-home | wsxws: what does the apache error log say? |
| 11:05.35 | twb | You could easily avoid it by not using phpmyadmin :-) |
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| 11:06.11 | jelly-home | twb: users want phpmyadmin. |
| 11:07.20 | fireba11 | can someone tell me why netinstall is still r0 while the normal cd/dvd are r1 ? |
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| 11:07.59 | rvsjoen | I get alot of these when running make-kpkg, scripts/setlocalversion: use: command not found |
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| 11:08.49 | Noborusan | thanks |
| 11:09.22 | twb | Users want lots of things. |
| 11:09.35 | twb | I believe in giving them what they NEED, not what they want. |
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| 11:10.19 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 11:10.19 | Noborusan | steinchen, please decode it for me |
| 11:10.19 | Noborusan | Mem: 2076796 1999436 77360 0 64 1383168 |
| 11:10.19 | steinchen | still ... this isnt funny :-( |
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| 11:10.37 | steinchen | cant run samba or anything |
| 11:10.49 | Noborusan | in total 2GB ram and now only 77MB is free ? |
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| 11:11.09 | twb | It's expected for a running machine to have all memory "used" |
| 11:11.17 | steinchen | !tell Noborusan about free |
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| 11:11.43 | jelly-home | Noborusan: the line below that is important, too. |
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| 11:12.10 | twb | steinchen: samba doesn't run as your user. |
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| 11:12.28 | twb | steinchen: you shouldn't be getting those issues if you invoke samba correctly, i.e. via invoke-rc.d |
| 11:12.39 | steinchen | same with sudo or direct as root via rc scripts |
| 11:13.03 | Rapp | Noborusan, you left out the most important output of free: |
| 11:13.08 | twb | sudo -H invoke-rc.d samba stop |
| 11:13.10 | twb | sudo -H invoke-rc.d samba start |
| 11:13.10 | Rapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:13.30 | Rapp | as you can see, you last column shows 1.3 harddisk cache. so that's where your RAM goes. |
| 11:13.43 | wsxws | jelly-home it says /var/www/phpmyadmin/.htaccess: DirectoryIndex not allowed here |
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| 11:13.47 | Rapp | but do not fear, the cache is freed for programs which need more RAM. |
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| 11:15.14 | jelly-home | wsxws: and that's all? Do you have a separate VirtualHost for that machine name? |
| 11:15.38 | kotubsi | anyone know what could completely block shift-ctrl-w? I can't even see a X-event for it using 'xev'. |
| 11:15.41 | wsxws | i have an ipbased vhost for that ip |
| 11:16.07 | jelly-home | wsxws: and that's the only vhost on that ip? |
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| 11:16.59 | wsxws | no therer are 2, there is a namebased too, but thisone is a2dissite atm |
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| 11:17.16 | steinchen | i killed my etch it seems :-( |
| 11:17.20 | markinfo | I have tried to compile Twinklephone but make ends always with error message. I have put configure and make output on http://rafb.net/p/bSgFGQ20.html Could someone to look for it? I do not know whether i should report this problem to the author of this software or if it is debian problem. |
| 11:18.06 | wsxws | the ipbased has just a specific rule for directory /var/www, nothing special for /var/www/phpmyadmin |
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| 11:18.33 | jelly-home | wsxws: does accessing index.php explicitely work? |
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| 11:19.10 | wsxws | yes |
| 11:19.15 | wsxws | oopps |
| 11:19.19 | wsxws | didnt try |
| 11:19.31 | wsxws | nope |
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| 11:19.58 | wsxws | hiost/phpmyadmin/index.php <<-- u mean thatone i guess, and that doent work |
| 11:19.58 | rvsjoen | this is the full output of make-kpkg clean, somethings not right with those errors, i've tried reinstalling kernel-package, anyone seen this before ? http://rvs.pastebin.ca/665490 |
| 11:20.04 | jelly-home | wsxws: nope as in error 500, or nope as in "php doesn't work, I get text", or ...? |
| 11:20.32 | wsxws | is gives me the same error like trying without index.php at the end, still error 500 |
| 11:20.49 | jelly-home | wsxws: and what do you get in error.log now? |
| 11:20.55 | xored | i want to install kolab with some plugins under etch stable, but i want to use the testing version. How do i only "open" the testing path for kolab ? |
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| 11:21.46 | wsxws | still the same |
| 11:22.15 | mhall | hey guys, is there a package which installs all of the debian package build tools such as debhelper? i mean something like x-window-system-core but for debian package development |
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| 11:23.45 | wsxws | its just that phpmyadmin not working |
| 11:23.59 | wsxws | if i start the ipbased and the namebased the namebased works fine |
| 11:24.01 | cast | good. it sucks. fuck it. |
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| 11:24.22 | wsxws | and ion the ipbased i have a subdirectory with my emailadmin which is working fine too |
| 11:24.53 | wsxws | cast waht to use else if not that phpmyadmin ? |
| 11:25.09 | wsxws | im not married with that |
| 11:25.26 | cast | ssh |
| 11:25.37 | wsxws | dooh |
| 11:25.44 | wsxws | i have clients on here |
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| 11:26.03 | romano2k | hej! is it possible to check the dns zone of any domain name? |
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| 11:26.32 | jelly-home | romano2k: check for what? |
| 11:26.48 | romano2k | the dns records, A records, CNAME records, ... |
| 11:27.26 | jelly-home | romano2k: no, most DNS servers won't allow you to do a transfer of the complete zone. |
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| 11:28.05 | romano2k | jelly-home: i mean just checking if a domain has been spreaded |
| 11:28.18 | romano2k | can dig do that? |
| 11:28.20 | jelly-home | romano2k: spreaded? |
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| 11:28.51 | romano2k | jelly-home: i'm not that comfortable with english, i don't know how to explain what i'm willing to do |
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| 11:28.57 | wsxws | okies, ive got it |
| 11:29.08 | jelly-home | romano2k: you mean, does it have subdomains? |
| 11:29.15 | romano2k | is there a way to know more than just the dns servers of a domain with dig, for example? |
| 11:29.29 | wsxws | it just did not like AuthConfig |
| 11:31.17 | jelly-home | romano2k: you can do any kind of DNS query with dig, like SOA records for example. |
| 11:31.24 | xored | is that the right way to stay on etch debian but install kolabd from testing ? : http://pastebin.ca/665500 |
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| 11:31.30 | vinvin | hi |
| 11:31.42 | wsxws | but now it starts to become redicolous, when i start the namebased virtual too, it say error 404, file not found |
| 11:31.43 | romano2k | jelly-home: how can i do that? |
| 11:32.09 | vinvin | I don't find how can nvidia be used in the new xorg in testing, is it impossible noww ? |
| 11:32.42 | jelly-home | romano2k: dig -t put-record-type-here example.org |
| 11:33.10 | jelly-home | wsxws: funny |
| 11:33.46 | romano2k | jelly-home: can i check CNAME records with this? |
| 11:34.25 | wsxws | yes, because i did all the ipbased and namebased the same was. all others work fine, just the main ip is meesing up |
| 11:34.30 | jelly-home | romano2k: you can't find out what exists under that domain, if that's what you're asking |
| 11:34.35 | romano2k | (i mean: i tried, but there's no error message while it doesn't show up the CNAME records) |
| 11:34.39 | romano2k | okay |
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| 11:35.38 | jelly-home | romano2k: if their server is badly configured, it may allow for a zone transfer |
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| 11:37.32 | wsxws | jesus, i really dont get that |
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| 11:38.06 | wsxws | when i put the content of the namebased.conf into the ipbased (without any changes) and a2ensite the whole bunch everything works fine |
| 11:38.24 | Hammar | assuming i have a directory containing lots of mp3s and ogg files with very different naming patterns/bitrates/etc and i want to convert them to Ogg Vorbis in one go...what tool do you recommend? |
| 11:38.28 | wsxws | as soon as i split it inot 2 configs (like i have on every other ip too) it doesnt work nomre |
| 11:38.40 | wsxws | anyway, net thing |
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| 11:39.02 | jelly-home | wsxws: TBH I'm not exactly sure what you mean by ip based vhost. :-) We use lots of NameVirtualHost ip.ad.dre.ss and then lots of <VirtualHost ip.ad.dre.ss> </> |
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| 11:39.33 | wsxws | when i add an emailaccount to my mailsystem (postfix/cyrus) it creats users like wsxws.wsxws.ws instead of wsxws@wsxws.ws, is there a way to influence the way it creats usernames ? |
| 11:39.59 | petemc | wsxws: how do you add them? |
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| 11:40.31 | GiabboO | y0 |
| 11:40.37 | wsxws | jelly-home as long as u have just one ip on the server u dont need an ipbased vhost, as soon as u have several ips u should define on opbased/ip and do the rest by namebased |
| 11:40.54 | wsxws | petemc web-cyradm |
| 11:42.20 | xand | !u |
| 11:42.20 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:42.24 | GiabboO | lol |
| 11:42.26 | GiabboO | hi xand |
| 11:42.33 | GiabboO | anyone skilled with Nagios ? |
| 11:42.34 | xand | hi |
| 11:42.34 | GiabboO | =) |
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| 11:42.50 | steinchen | abit |
| 11:42.54 | themill | !anyone |
| 11:42.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:43.01 | GiabboO | LOL sorry =) |
| 11:43.04 | wsxws | something liek u should be reported to the aaaaa |
| 11:43.19 | wsxws | american assiciation agains abbreviation abuse |
| 11:43.28 | GiabboO | steinchen, are you able to set up a host/service dependee and dependencies on nagios ? |
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| 11:44.21 | Pete | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.31 | Pete | ...it either doesnt read the cd or hangs during booting installation (eg gentoo livecd) |
| 11:44.46 | Pete | cdrom is rather ok, reads other cds |
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| 11:45.13 | Pete | anyone experienced with sgi o2 + linux? |
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| 11:45.32 | GiabboO | < not but I had some problem with some cd-rom |
| 11:46.10 | GiabboO | it happened to me that it hang on loading from cd |
| 11:46.21 | Pete | GiabboO: did you solve it ? |
| 11:46.31 | GiabboO | Pete: yes using another cd-rom device |
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| 11:46.45 | GiabboO | Pete: or a USB PEN :) |
| 11:46.48 | romano2k | does anyone here use google apps? |
| 11:46.55 | GiabboO | ciao romano :p |
| 11:47.03 | romano2k | hi! :) |
| 11:47.25 | GiabboO | Pete: do you exactly remember in what point it hang ? |
| 11:47.31 | wfq | hi |
| 11:47.38 | Pete | GiabboO: o2 has no usp port |
| 11:47.49 | GiabboO | Pete: and, have you waited "enough" ? :D |
| 11:48.23 | Pete | yes, after "loading kernel" the screen went black, flashed couple of times, then silence |
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| 11:48.33 | Pete | is an hour enough you think... ? |
| 11:48.34 | Pete | ;) |
| 11:48.41 | Noborusan | has anyone tried libapache-mod-limitipconn ? |
| 11:48.50 | GiabboO | Pete: it is :) |
| 11:48.54 | Noborusan | i cannot find the official site for it |
| 11:48.56 | GiabboO | Noborusan: nope |
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| 11:49.49 | Pete | GiabboO: have you tried differnet distros? |
| 11:49.59 | romano2k | shall i use "mail 10800 IN CNAME ghs.google.com" or "mail 10800 IN CNAME ghs.google.com."? |
| 11:50.29 | Pete | GiabboO: to make clear, gentoo was the one that hanged, with debian it doesnt read it at all |
| 11:50.53 | jelly-home | romano2k: if that's your own zone, definitely the latter. |
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| 11:51.37 | jelly-home | romano2k: also note that MX records may not point to CNAMEs. I don't know if this is relevant to you. |
| 11:51.42 | GiabboO | Pete: have you tried something more light like systemrescuecd or ultimateboot cd ? |
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| 11:52.19 | Pete | no, are those avaliable for mips? |
| 11:52.45 | Pete | i mean... GiabboO: no, are those avaliable for mips? |
| 11:52.49 | Pete | ;) |
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| 11:53.17 | jelly-home | Pete: tried any mips specific channels yet? |
| 11:53.56 | GiabboO | Pete: dunno wait |
| 11:54.12 | jelly-home | Pete: or cleaning the led with a cotton swab and some alcohol? :-) |
| 11:54.44 | GiabboO | Pete: sysrescuecd is for x86 and PPC |
| 11:54.44 | Pete | jelly-home: so far I found only speciffic gentoo channel for mips but they couldnt help me |
| 11:55.30 | Pete | jelly-home: and cdrom should be fine, reads other cds (like I can view its content) |
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| 11:55.48 | GiabboO | Pete: do you remember in wich point it hang ? |
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| 11:56.34 | Pete | GiabboO: told you already, just after "loading kernel" ;) |
| 11:56.38 | jelly-home | Pete: I'm out of ideas then :-) |
| 11:56.42 | nuxien | when i install grub, i have this error: grub-probe: error: out of disk |
| 11:56.51 | nuxien | i don't know why |
| 11:58.40 | Pete | jelly-home: thx anyway |
| 11:59.13 | vinvin | what about nvidia and the new xserver-xorg ? |
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| 12:02.18 | GiabboO | Pete: sorry I dont know what to say :$ |
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| 12:05.07 | slapfaceware | what's that command to reconfig apache2? |
| 12:05.51 | tristian | slapfaceware, normally you can just edit /etc/apache2/apache2.conf... depends what you need to do |
| 12:05.58 | Eulex | vim /etc/apache2/apache2 |
| 12:06.01 | Eulex | .conf |
| 12:06.02 | DustyBin | how do you install a .patch file? ive never come across one of these before |
| 12:06.10 | slapfaceware | i meant dpkg-configure --reconfigure something |
| 12:06.17 | slapfaceware | one long ass command |
| 12:06.21 | slapfaceware | that's hard to remember |
| 12:07.12 | Eulex | DustyBin, you get the source, patch it using the patch, compile the patched source and install it. |
| 12:07.22 | nuxien | nobody can help me? |
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| 12:07.28 | steinchen | slapfaceware, dpkg-reconfigure apache2 ? |
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| 12:08.17 | DustyBin | at the top of the .patch file it says 'Index: myththemes/MythCenter/music-ui.xml' |
| 12:08.27 | slapfaceware | yah that one |
| 12:08.39 | DustyBin | does this mean i should apply the patch against /music-ui.xml ? |
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| 12:09.45 | tristian | nuxien, have you got /boot on a separate partition? |
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| 12:10.21 | nuxien | i have /boot (ext2) 2 swap, / (reiserfs on md0) and /home (reiserfs on md1) |
| 12:10.46 | ronr | hi, I got a machine running unstable and regularly the network stops (I can start it again fine, but it is very annoying). I think this message in the systog has something to do with it: avahi-daemon[2922]: Leaving mDNS multicast group on interface eth1.IPv4 with address X.X.X.X, any ideas? |
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| 12:11.13 | ma3x | why can't you live bet on bwin.com with firefox on linux? |
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| 12:11.33 | nuxien | i use netinstall lenny business card downloaded sunday |
| 12:11.33 | ma3x | it's got java, flash everything...... |
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| 12:13.02 | wsxws | fqdn = fully qualified domain name, but what does FQUN mean ? |
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| 12:14.05 | tristian | nuxien, sounds like you have no room left on /boot - how big is the partition? |
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| 12:14.37 | nuxien | /boot : 100Mo |
| 12:14.52 | nuxien | i have the same bug with 150Mo |
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| 12:15.26 | nuxien | this partition is full at 10% |
| 12:15.46 | wsxws | i use postfix/cyrus over web-cyradm, i found where to change the usernameformat from user.domain.tld to user@domain.tld. mysql shove the right user also (user@domain.tld) but when i want to log on to check email ist doesnt work, any suggestions ? |
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| 12:19.57 | smhar | jelly-home, , enouf .. ok.. in the BIOS, I set the hardisk to AUTO, not user and the mode to LBA, but after the PC boots, it take forever 'detecting HDD Primary Master' |
| 12:20.29 | smhar | jelly-home, enouf , I tried all jumper settings but it is not working :-) |
| 12:20.44 | sandman__ | Does ndiswrapper usually come on the first CD of a debian distribution? |
| 12:20.47 | enouf | smhar: anything as slave? |
| 12:20.56 | enouf | smhar: flashed the BIOS? |
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| 12:21.58 | smhar | enouf, no slave, only 2 masters, the booting hd with debian /dev/hda and an even larger hd for data |
| 12:22.02 | enouf | smhar: that's a POST message, yes? exactly how are you booting? directly to HDD? what's your Boot order set at? is floppy booting 1st? |
| 12:22.09 | smhar | no flashing yet |
| 12:22.35 | smhar | enouf, booting order, A / C |
| 12:22.51 | smhar | enouf, but no floppy in drive |
| 12:23.06 | sandman__ | And secondly, is anyone here familiar with Comodo Firewall? Is there a software available in Debian which perform in a similar fashion? That is, a software that prompts you whenever another software in the system attempts to access the internet, and prompts as to whether the access should be allowed? |
| 12:23.07 | nuxien | Tristan, ? |
| 12:23.19 | enouf | smhar: maybe see #debian-boot on oftc.net |
| 12:23.32 | rpedro_ | hello |
| 12:23.38 | smhar | enouf, never heard of this room :-) |
| 12:23.55 | enouf | smhar: the official debian channels are there on that network |
| 12:24.18 | enouf | smhar: also know as irc.debian.org |
| 12:24.25 | enouf | known* |
| 12:24.52 | rpedro_ | is there a debian branch, that always has the latest gnome release? or is it just either gnome stable from two main releases ago, or there is another option maybe? |
| 12:25.15 | tristian | nuxien, sorry not sure what to suggest... I have /boot just on my / (ext3) partition and it's been fine... I can't really think of anything else to try... :-S |
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| 12:25.32 | rpedro_ | I meant 'latest stable' gnome release, above |
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| 12:26.47 | rpedro_ | so corrected: is there a debian branch, that always has the latest *stable* gnome release? or is it just either gnome stable from two main releases ago, or the latest development version in testing, or there is another option maybe? |
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| 12:28.40 | Eulex | no and two the second question: it 'varies' what gnome release is in what branch. |
| 12:28.41 | xand | rpedro_: probably called ubuntu ;) |
| 12:28.53 | Eulex | s/two/to |
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| 12:29.20 | rpedro_ | ok |
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| 12:33.15 | netcrash | Hello, what's the best way to create a mirror repository ( CPAN, DEBIAN, fedora, centos ... ) ? |
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| 12:34.09 | beanz | Hello. How do my /var/log/mail* logs get rotated? There is no config for this in logrotate. |
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| 12:35.04 | jeremy_g | this is weird |
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| 12:35.25 | jeremy_g | doesn't libssl come with the /usr/include/openssl/openssl.h file too |
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| 12:40.32 | themill | jeremy_g: /usr/include/openssl/ssl.h in the libssl-dev package. |
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| 12:42.18 | markinfo | I have tried to compile Twinklephone but make ends always with error message. I have put configure and make output on http://rafb.net/p/bSgFGQ20.html Could someone to look for it? I do not know whether i should report this problem to the author of this software or if it is debian problem. |
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| 12:44.20 | kaz | bonjour |
| 12:44.31 | stoned | my tummy hurts real bad |
| 12:44.45 | kaz | hum sry hi |
| 12:44.57 | xand | salut |
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| 12:45.05 | kaz | someone know install/config smpt/pop server |
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| 12:46.40 | petemc | kaz: do you know how to install software on debian? |
| 12:46.55 | kaz | yeah francais :p, j''en chi sur ma config smtp et pop, je cherche depusi hier, je pense pas etres tres loin de la solution, si quelqu'un a un peu de temps a me consacrer :/ |
| 12:47.07 | petemc | this is an english speaking channel |
| 12:47.16 | stoned | !fr |
| 12:47.16 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:47.29 | kaz | i'hve install postfix and courier-pop |
| 12:47.31 | xand | I expect that's my fault :D |
| 12:47.45 | kaz | sorry |
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| 12:48.13 | petemc | kaz: do you have a specific problem? |
| 12:48.21 | kaz | postfix accept connexion but stop whene Escape character is '^]'. |
| 12:48.34 | petemc | thats a fucntion of telnet, no? |
| 12:48.44 | kaz | I try to make user mysql identification |
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| 12:50.06 | wols | kaz: postfix ispmail. google it |
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| 12:50.14 | cafuego | kaz: You need to use sasl and saslauthd with mysql plugin. |
| 12:50.29 | wols | kaz: great howto for what you want |
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| 12:50.36 | cafuego | kaz: google://postfix+ispmail has *exactly* what you need |
| 12:50.52 | petemc | google is a protocol now? |
| 12:51.08 | cafuego | petemc: You understood it, so why not? ;-) |
| 12:51.08 | stoned | if it aint, it should be |
| 12:51.11 | stoned | a search pr otocol |
| 12:51.12 | stoned | ;) |
| 12:51.13 | petemc | :) |
| 12:51.22 | stoned | mc pete |
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| 12:51.25 | stoned | break it down |
| 12:51.32 | stoned | da nana danana danana, can't touch this |
| 12:51.34 | stoned | lol |
| 12:51.53 | Ronin | petemc: if its not a protocol it sure the heck should be |
| 12:52.11 | stoned | my tummy still feels funny |
| 12:52.28 | kaz | okay think i try it now |
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| 12:52.50 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 12:53.03 | Mazingaro | is anyone using apt-proxy? I got md5sum error on clients |
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| 12:56.11 | Eulex | Mazingaro, checked the bts? |
| 12:56.45 | Mazingaro | Eulex: ? |
| 12:57.05 | stoned | !bts |
| 12:57.06 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 12:59.14 | themill | Mazingaro: was this just for one of the security mirrors or for all mirrors? |
| 12:59.16 | Mazingaro | Eulex: :( |
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| 12:59.28 | fsdsa | hi, i just installe naew network card |
| 12:59.39 | wols | good for you |
| 12:59.43 | Mazingaro | themill: all |
| 12:59.48 | themill | !prize fsdsa |
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| 13:00.38 | wols | fsdsa: well? |
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| 13:01.10 | jair | guys how can I verify that my connectiong froma windows machine using putty is really encrypted and tunneled? |
| 13:01.22 | themill | Mazingaro: we've been seeing a few md5sum errors recently but normally with the security mirrors. But I don't think anyone's yet managed to work out why |
| 13:01.23 | fsdsa | actually it not enable, i tryed iftop it said |
| 13:01.40 | fsdsa | actually... |
| 13:01.41 | fsdsa | nvm XD |
| 13:01.45 | wols | fsdsa: /sbin/ifconfig -a. does the interface show? |
| 13:01.48 | wols | ok |
| 13:01.57 | wols | jair: tunneled? |
| 13:01.58 | themill | jair: sniff the connection -- tcpdump or similar |
| 13:02.06 | jair | themill: hmm |
| 13:02.09 | wols | !wayytd jair |
| 13:02.11 | jair | wols: yes |
| 13:02.12 | fsdsa | wols: yes it showed :) |
| 13:02.13 | wols | !wayyttd jair |
| 13:02.24 | jair | wols: what do you mean? |
| 13:02.31 | wols | whatever: what are you trying to do jair? |
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| 13:02.40 | themill | !wayttd jair |
| 13:02.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jair? |
| 13:02.41 | jair | the bot is not telling me anything :( |
| 13:03.02 | themill | wols: third time lucky... |
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| 13:03.34 | wols | jair: well? |
| 13:03.39 | jair | well this is my concern: I have unfortunately a windows xp at work, and I am using putty tunneling to the vnc port on my remote system running linux |
| 13:04.10 | wols | ause netstat (on windows or linux) |
| 13:04.17 | themill | and you want to make sure that the connection is going through the tunnel and not direct? |
| 13:04.35 | jair | the set up of putty was simplem and I a getting the connection using the "localhost" instead the ip on the machine. but still I want to see if there is another way to check that the connection is encrypted. |
| 13:04.36 | wols | if yor work machne connects to port 22 and not 5900, then it'S encrypted |
| 13:05.01 | jair | themill: yes :P |
| 13:05.15 | jair | wols: that makes sense |
| 13:05.18 | themill | jair: run netstat on your winxp machine |
| 13:05.20 | Noborusan | hi wols ,would you help me with mod_limitipconn ? |
| 13:05.23 | jair | themill: ok |
| 13:05.54 | wols | hi Noborusan, would you finally learn how to ask a smart question? |
| 13:05.54 | themill | jair: or, of course on your linux box.... just look at the source and dest addrs |
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| 13:06.00 | Noborusan | after i set it up in httpd.conf ,pages won't be open,instead of it,says page not found |
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| 13:06.33 | |bb7| | does anyone usa a: Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 1218 ? |
| 13:06.52 | jair | themill: got it :) |
| 13:06.54 | Eulex | yes, but not me. |
| 13:06.55 | |bb7| | byte benchmark: 164 points ONLY |
| 13:07.02 | |bb7| | is that normal? |
| 13:07.07 | Noborusan | i apt-get install libapache-mod-limitipconn |
| 13:07.09 | jair | themill: nice I can verify now :) |
| 13:07.11 | jair | cool |
| 13:07.11 | wols | !tell |bb7| about anyone |
| 13:07.20 | jair | wols: Thank you for your info |
| 13:07.25 | jair | and themill thank you very much |
| 13:07.36 | |bb7| | benchmark tool http://hants.lug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ByteUNIXBenchmark |
| 13:07.39 | Noborusan | after that, i check the main httpd.conf,finds the so file is not added in the file,i added it manually |
| 13:07.40 | jair | this is solved :) |
| 13:07.44 | wols | |bb7|: which kernel do you run? |
| 13:08.04 | jair | now there is a way for me to make "x11vnc" start at boot time with gdm or something like that? |
| 13:08.10 | |bb7| | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 13:08.30 | jair | since I will be remote and I will not be able to start the login session |
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| 13:08.51 | wols | jair: not true. ssh > * |
| 13:08.51 | Noborusan | then,i added several lines in httpd.conf, apachectl configtest okay, restart httpd,now page not found in browser,strange |
| 13:09.00 | jair | themill: have you ever heard about x11vnc? |
| 13:09.05 | jair | wols: what do you mean? |
| 13:09.35 | jair | wols: at least start it on the remote system then I will do the putty tunneling or linux to linux tunneling |
| 13:09.40 | wols | you can start X or x11vnc or both via ssh |
| 13:09.43 | wols | I do it sometimes |
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| 13:10.14 | jair | wols: not way if you are not logged I do not think you can start x11vnc though |
| 13:10.45 | wols | you run sshd on that server. now why can't you log in and if not why running sshd in the first place? |
| 13:11.10 | |bb7| | wols: is the kernel ok for opteron? |
| 13:11.22 | jair | wols: I can log in ssh automatically is ok is debian |
| 13:11.35 | jair | the problem is that x11vnc will not start X for me |
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| 13:11.42 | wols | |bb7|: yes |
| 13:11.49 | jair | if i am remote all I get started is the gdm greeter? |
| 13:11.57 | jeremy_g | wow, opteron |
| 13:11.59 | wols | jair: and? |
| 13:12.03 | jair | the session X start when I log in right? |
| 13:12.05 | logd | it would be wise to use kde's update manager ? |
| 13:12.22 | wols | logd: what for? if you run debian kde:not really |
| 13:12.36 | wols | "thou shalt not nave any package managers beside me" thus spake dpkg |
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| 13:12.48 | logd | ah ;) |
| 13:12.49 | wols | s/nave/have |
| 13:12.58 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 13:13.03 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:13.05 | logd | from dpkg's own Holy Bible ? |
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| 13:13.25 | jeremy_g | logd:is there a book on mastering dpkg and apt-get, ..a do all and end all |
| 13:13.35 | wols | the scripture of debian(tm)(c), OBE, MBE, MP |
| 13:13.48 | wols | jeremy_g: apt howto perhaps |
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| 13:14.10 | logd | jeremy_g> i already use those i just guessed if update man is worth wiithin |
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| 13:18.59 | jair | wols: I am so sorry I got disconnected. |
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| 13:19.21 | jair | themill: have you ever use x11vnc? |
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| 13:19.59 | jair | wols: the problem is: I am trying to log in remotely, encrypted, and to the console :0 on my X11 session. |
| 13:20.18 | jair | x11vnc allow me to remotelly log in to the console :0 |
| 13:20.23 | Mazingaro | themill: I'm not using sid, I'm using lenny |
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| 13:20.58 | jair | but I think if I restart the machine I need to start everything over again and I need to log in in the machine to be able of run the x11vnc session |
| 13:20.59 | wols | jair: yes I know |
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| 13:21.21 | tim_flatus | I'm trying to set up a tftp sever using tftpd-hpa. Does it work to simply copy an installer .iso into the /var/lib/tftpboot dir? |
| 13:22.22 | tim_flatus | I should mention that I want to re-install three machines over the network here. |
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| 13:22.52 | themill | jair: you should be able to start x11vnc from an ssh connection |
| 13:23.01 | themill | Mazingaro: ? |
| 13:23.20 | jair | themill: I can but if I already pass the part of gdm to log in |
| 13:23.46 | tim_flatus | Or do I need an unpacked version of the ISO and point to the install dir? or something like that. |
| 13:23.53 | jair | wols: if you restart the system and nobody is logged then starting the x11vnc will get errors... |
| 13:24.03 | jair | at least that is what is happening to me |
| 13:24.18 | simonrvn | blah |
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| 13:24.42 | jair | I need to go in front of the machine, log in as the user, then remotely I can start the x11vnc session using that user |
| 13:24.52 | nuxis | wich driver should take for NVIDIA GeForce FX5200 and the identifier should it be like that name? |
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| 13:25.19 | nuxis | *MSI chipset |
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| 13:25.56 | wols | nuxis: nv or nvidia |
| 13:26.00 | wols | depending what you want |
| 13:26.11 | nuxis | well NVIDIA |
| 13:26.13 | wols | that it's from MSI has no bearing at all |
| 13:26.19 | wols | !nvidia |
| 13:26.19 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 13:26.21 | shark | gnome suddenly doesn't recognize my sound card, any idea why? |
| 13:26.24 | sdsa | how can i know what version of unbuntu i used |
| 13:26.26 | sdsa | i forget the command |
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| 13:26.29 | nuxis | it is from nVIDIA |
| 13:26.30 | sdsa | oops debian* |
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| 13:26.35 | wols | sdsa: ask ubuntu not us |
| 13:26.46 | wols | !tell sdsa about version |
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| 13:26.55 | snowbird | sdsa have u ran alsa config? |
| 13:27.11 | wols | nuxis: do you need 3D hardware support |
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| 13:27.19 | tim_flatus | Oh well, I'll just have to suck it and see I guess. Once I've finished reading the docs to see if there's anything I've missed, of course. ;) |
| 13:27.20 | sdsa | alsa config? |
| 13:27.22 | shark | wha't alsa config? |
| 13:27.24 | nuxis | yea for my games |
| 13:27.34 | snowbird | thats how u config u sound |
| 13:27.36 | wols | then you need the nvidia drivers. see factoid |
| 13:27.36 | tim_flatus | sdsa: alsaconf |
| 13:27.39 | themill | jair: vnc-server might be easier for you to setup for what you are wanting. Else, read the blurb that x11vnc spits at you by way of error to see how you might do it |
| 13:27.45 | nuxis | factoid? |
| 13:27.56 | wols | !tell nuxis about nvidia |
| 13:27.56 | snowbird | then u need alsasave |
| 13:28.02 | Noborusan | is mod_bandwidth changed to libapache-mod-iptos in debian ? |
| 13:28.08 | simonrvn | alsactl save |
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| 13:28.14 | antum | Hi there, I was talking to quite a few people here about a problem I was facing a few days ago. I was getting a lot of Input/Output errors on seemingly random files. |
| 13:28.19 | wols | there is no mod_bandwith for apache2 anymore IIRC |
| 13:28.25 | slapfaceware | how do i remove a package and its dependencies |
| 13:28.29 | nuxis | ok I will follow that wols |
| 13:28.37 | Noborusan | wols, i am running apache1 fortunately :) |
| 13:28.38 | antum | The suggestion was to reboot the machine and run disk check... I've done that and here are the results: http://www.pastebin.ca/665605 |
| 13:28.43 | wols | !tell slapfaceware about aptitude |
| 13:28.47 | antum | No bad blocks. |
| 13:29.04 | antum | I'm getting this error when running apt-get -f install: |
| 13:29.23 | wols | antum: that won't find bad blocks. run a long smartmontools test |
| 13:29.28 | antum | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 7059 package `ca-certificates': |
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| 13:29.44 | wols | antum: and that just means you have a corrupted status file |
| 13:29.49 | Noborusan | wols, or,would you recommend me another neat tool does the same job for apache1 ? i just would like to limit the maxiume connecting numbers from a single ip ,stuff like that,so they cannot download files by using multi-threads tool |
| 13:29.51 | snowbird | simonrvn, i got tcp proto error u got clues? |
| 13:29.59 | antum | wols, how do I fix it, do you know? |
| 13:30.01 | wols | Noborusan: no clue |
| 13:30.12 | Noborusan | ok |
| 13:30.18 | wols | antum: by saving the current status file and copy the backup over it |
| 13:31.08 | shark | snowbird: i cant run alsasave ( command not found) |
| 13:31.20 | snowbird | od |
| 13:31.23 | antum | wols, ok... do I need to restart anything after doing that? |
| 13:31.31 | wols | ano |
| 13:31.33 | wols | -a |
| 13:31.42 | themill | shark: listen to what simonrvn told you: alsactl save |
| 13:31.42 | snowbird | shark scroll up simon posted another way |
| 13:31.43 | wols | shark: are you root? |
| 13:31.54 | stoned | bad morning everyone |
| 13:31.54 | shark | wols: yes ^^ |
| 13:31.57 | stoned | how is it going |
| 13:32.10 | snowbird | not to bad pesky error still here |
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| 13:34.48 | shark | i did alsactl store, didn't change anything |
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| 13:34.57 | shark | maybe its a problem with gstreamer? |
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| 13:35.37 | themill | shark: are you running esd? |
| 13:35.51 | shark | themill: yes |
| 13:35.55 | themill | !esd |
| 13:35.56 | dpkg | esd is probably the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox, or an EarSoreDaemon |
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| 13:36.45 | themill | shark: many of these sorts of problems go away with killing esd, reloading the sound modules and then restarting the sound server |
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| 13:37.08 | shark | themill: ok, i killed it. how do i reload the modles? |
| 13:37.12 | shark | ,odules |
| 13:37.15 | shark | mudoles |
| 13:37.19 | themill | :) |
| 13:37.26 | tim_flatus | shark: kill esd. Bury it in a lead lined box and set fire to it. |
| 13:37.27 | themill | invoke-rc.d alsa reload |
| 13:37.53 | wols | tim_flatus: you forgot to put artsd in that box |
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| 13:39.15 | shark | themill: still doesnt work... the error message is: "No vulome control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found" |
| 13:39.31 | shark | (when i open vulome control in GNOME) |
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| 13:40.13 | themill | s/half/mostly/ |
| 13:40.23 | zbrown | themill: I concur |
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| 13:40.54 | themill | shark: ignoring gstreamer, do aplay or alsamixer work? |
| 13:41.17 | antum | wols: How on earth did you know to replace the status file... |
| 13:41.18 | slapfaceware | does aptitude purge remove dependencies |
| 13:41.29 | themill | slapfaceware: man aptitude |
| 13:41.32 | shark | themill: no, they dont |
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| 13:41.39 | slapfaceware | my man page is screwed up |
| 13:41.42 | slapfaceware | can't read it |
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| 13:41.47 | shark | themill: they dont find any device |
| 13:42.07 | xand | slapfaceware: yes it does, unless they were specifically installed |
| 13:42.07 | themill | shark: well... if alsa is hosed, then gstreamer isn't going to do anything.... let's wind back the stack a bit more. |
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| 13:42.30 | tim_flatus | Can anyone tell me if I need to put a separate stanza for each machine I want to be able to net-boot in my dhcpd.conf? |
| 13:42.38 | shark | themill: sure |
| 13:42.47 | tim_flatus | Or point me to a better place to ask. |
| 13:42.58 | xand | tim_flatus: you don't |
| 13:43.07 | shark | themill: it was working before,, i have no idea what happened |
| 13:43.10 | stoned | !tell tim_flatus -about ig |
| 13:43.14 | xand | tim_flatus: as long as unknown clients are allowed |
| 13:43.17 | themill | slapfaceware: if you're man is having trouble on your machine, try google. "man aptitude" turns up the man page for the first hit. |
| 13:43.19 | stoned | that might help tim |
| 13:43.36 | slapfaceware | ok thanks |
| 13:43.44 | tim_flatus | xand: thanks :) |
| 13:43.47 | themill | slapfaceware: and then work on fixing up man on your system :) you don't want a broken man on your system... |
| 13:43.55 | stoned | tim_flatus: the install guide should contain all the information |
| 13:44.06 | themill | shark: did reloading the alsa modules give any output? |
| 13:44.06 | stoned | probably around chapter 3 |
| 13:44.08 | slapfaceware | it's the gnu-screen i think |
| 13:44.24 | tim_flatus | stoned: the install guide is very terse on tese matters |
| 13:44.29 | nuxis | wols: I followed the wikki now I'm reconfiguring 2 new drivers appeared nvidia and nv but you sayed something about nv should I just take nvidia? |
| 13:44.36 | stoned | tim_flatus: please speak english |
| 13:44.41 | stoned | tim_flatus: terse ;) ? |
| 13:44.49 | antum | Why would I get this error after removing and now reinstalling phpmyadmin: Not replacing deleted config file /etc/phpmyadmin/apache.conf |
| 13:44.50 | xand | terse is the opposite of verbose |
| 13:44.51 | shark | themill: you mean the "invoke-rc.d"? only the modules names.. |
| 13:44.55 | wols | nuxis: for 3D, you need to use nvidia, and only nvidia |
| 13:44.57 | wols | nv is 2D only |
| 13:44.58 | tim_flatus | stoned: doesn't contain very verbose information |
| 13:44.59 | themill | stoned: terse is english, tese isn't ;) |
| 13:45.01 | nuxis | wols: ok tnx |
| 13:45.02 | stoned | tim_flatus: ahh |
| 13:45.05 | nuxis | hope it works now |
| 13:45.09 | stoned | themill: I know, it was a joke |
| 13:45.12 | themill | ;) |
| 13:45.17 | stoned | word |
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| 13:45.22 | wols | !tell antum about confmiss |
| 13:45.23 | stoned | ok |
| 13:45.30 | nuxis | and wols identifier "NVIDIA GeForce FX5200" I assume? |
| 13:45.30 | stoned | I am going to tell you guys something |
| 13:45.38 | antum | confmiss? |
| 13:45.39 | stoned | and I would like to know how many of you find this believable |
| 13:45.53 | antum | should I google it? |
| 13:45.59 | themill | shark: what does lsmod|grep snd produce? do they look like familiar module names for your hardware? |
| 13:46.01 | abrotman | the bot just told you |
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| 13:46.13 | abrotman | xoz: you're still in the bad country! |
| 13:46.23 | xoz | heh |
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| 13:47.02 | antum | abrotman: :) yep sure did |
| 13:47.07 | antum | wols... cheers |
| 13:47.17 | nuxis | wols: I love you |
| 13:47.18 | stoned | I was in #kubuntu, asking for help one time, on a ktorrent issue. error was ktorrent stopped the torrent because too many files open and can't open index in ~/.kde/apps/share/krorrent/index/tor1,tor2/tor3 etc. etc./index blah blah. So the guy asks me if I am using TOR. I said no, I am not using TOR. He said yes you are because you have /tor1/ in your save path. I said no you idiot |
| 13:47.23 | nuxis | wols: it is running nice :) |
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| 13:47.32 | shark | themill: i think so, there are plenty of them... some do |
| 13:47.45 | themill | slapfaceware: man should work quite well within screen. Unless you're monkeying with $TERM, that is.. then it might not |
| 13:47.48 | xand | stoned: nice logic there! |
| 13:47.51 | stoned | I am not using tor because /tor1,2,3 are directories where ktorrent holds unfinished torrents. He insisted and I said no, dude, don't try to help if you can't |
| 13:47.54 | stoned | check this |
| 13:47.58 | d0uglas | Hi. The ia in ia64 stands for intel/amd? |
| 13:47.58 | stoned | he started to attack my attitude |
| 13:48.00 | themill | shark: perhaps rerun alsaconf |
| 13:48.09 | stoned | that I'm not being greatful about free help from volunteers |
| 13:48.18 | stoned | I said dont' attack my attitude if you can't provide support |
| 13:48.19 | tim_flatus | stoned: people on irc can be so tetchy sometimes. |
| 13:48.35 | stoned | so the same guy, same guy who insisted I was using TOR, turns op and bans me |
| 13:48.39 | antum | I ran: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install phpmyadmin |
| 13:48.40 | stoned | I was shocked |
| 13:48.42 | stoned | I mean seriously |
| 13:48.44 | antum | but still got the same errors |
| 13:48.49 | nuxis | ok cya guys tnx for the help wols |
| 13:48.52 | stoned | I would NEVER have believed this story if someone told me |
| 13:48.55 | stoned | I had to see it to believe it |
| 13:48.59 | xand | stoned: I would |
| 13:49.03 | stoned | even the people who runs ubuntu are fucking morons |
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| 13:49.08 | stoned | I was speechless man |
| 13:49.15 | stoned | I mean how can people be THIS dumb? |
| 13:49.18 | stoned | its unbelievable |
| 13:49.25 | abrotman | tim_flatus: tetchy ? |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | touchy ? |
| 13:49.31 | tim_flatus | stoned: how can you be so verbose, man? |
| 13:49.45 | stoned | tim_flatus: becuase the install guide isn't ;) |
| 13:49.54 | xand | nothing wrong with "tetchy" |
| 13:49.55 | antum | does anyone know if I'm using this confmiss properly? |
| 13:50.00 | tim_flatus | abrotman: sorry, I'm english. We USE words like that. |
| 13:50.12 | abrotman | tim_flatus: you USE words that don't exist ? |
| 13:50.15 | shark | themill: alsaconf recognized my device, seems ok... but volume control still doesn't |
| 13:50.19 | xand | tetchy does exist |
| 13:50.22 | tim_flatus | abrotman: look it up. |
| 13:50.37 | abrotman | oh dear lord |
| 13:50.42 | abrotman | that's worse than nutation |
| 13:50.42 | xand | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tetchy |
| 13:50.48 | abrotman | xand: bot is faster :) |
| 13:51.12 | stoned | even after I told him that it has nothing to do with TOR because its the path where ktorrent holds unfinished torrents, he still insisted that I'm using TOR and that doesn't work with torrents |
| 13:51.16 | stoned | WOW! |
| 13:51.21 | stoned | I'm just speechless man |
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| 13:51.40 | stoned | thats from an actual ubuntuop |
| 13:52.01 | stoned | sid wants me to download 400+mb to update this system |
| 13:52.14 | stoned | and i think my sid box is stil running 2.6.18 |
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| 13:53.04 | wols | stoned: the unbelievable thing is: why did you go to #ubuntu for help in the first place? |
| 13:53.11 | stoned | like i said |
| 13:53.14 | wols | I mean, if you are THAT dumb, you get what you deserve :) |
| 13:53.16 | stoned | just to see it for myself |
| 13:53.19 | stoned | cuz I couldn't believe it |
| 13:53.29 | stoned | people have told me stories, but they seemed too stupid to be believable |
| 13:53.31 | stoned | now I believe em |
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| 13:54.00 | stoned | wols: I didn't need the help.. I was just making it up |
| 13:54.14 | wols | that'S what you NOW say :) |
| 13:54.20 | stoned | ey! |
| 13:54.23 | stoned | i'll kill you :( |
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| 13:54.32 | shark | themill: any idea? |
| 13:54.34 | stoned | j/k so whats up my man |
| 13:54.45 | wols | take a ticket and wait. maybe when it's your turn, there are still a few cells to kill left over |
| 13:54.45 | snowbird | stoned kill something like errors fix my tunes so they play |
| 13:54.45 | stoned | wols: where on this planet are you? |
| 13:54.49 | wols | but I wouldn't count on it |
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| 13:54.52 | stoned | snowbird: whats the problem? |
| 13:54.55 | themill | shark: did you re-run alsaconf? |
| 13:55.03 | snowbird | il post it stoned |
| 13:55.05 | wols | stoned: across the pond from you |
| 13:55.11 | stoned | wols: heh |
| 13:55.11 | shark | themill: yes, it recognized my device |
| 13:55.24 | themill | shark: so now alsamixer or aplay work? |
| 13:55.27 | stoned | ahh, ok |
| 13:55.49 | stoned | I'm guessing europe |
| 13:55.55 | stoned | 6 hours ahead of moi |
| 13:56.12 | shark | themill aplay no alsamixer yes |
| 13:56.13 | wols | yes |
| 13:56.25 | themill | shark: what does aplay do? |
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| 13:56.36 | twb | themill: it plays audio? |
| 13:56.44 | shark | themill: nothing, gets stuck |
| 13:56.48 | snowbird | stoned http://rafb.net/p/w8Wy9m49.html |
| 13:56.49 | themill | twb: yes, thanks. |
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| 13:57.17 | themill | shark: it's probably actually playing.... try adjusting your levels and trying again. You are passing aplay a file to play, aren't you? |
| 13:57.30 | themill | shark: aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 13:57.41 | snowbird | stoned is thate error clear as mud? |
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| 13:57.55 | shark | themill: lol, ok... im abit noob |
| 13:58.07 | stoned | snowbird: I told you the other day, I don't know what that means |
| 13:58.18 | stoned | seems like you are dropping incoming conenctions |
| 13:58.25 | stoned | why? I have no idea |
| 13:58.26 | snowbird | yeah |
| 13:58.31 | snowbird | alright |
| 13:58.34 | shark | themill: yes, it works |
| 13:58.38 | twb | themill: /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*wav |
| 13:58.41 | snowbird | il leave it be il hide it |
| 13:58.46 | stoned | snowbird: check your iptable rules? |
| 13:58.56 | stoned | but i don't see how it could be that |
| 13:58.58 | snowbird | check for what? |
| 13:58.59 | themill | twb: yeah, I know, I just like the moo ;) |
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| 13:59.10 | stoned | i dunno |
| 13:59.32 | stoned | snowbird: try static ip config instead of dhcp |
| 13:59.44 | snowbird | ok |
| 13:59.53 | twb | themill: but OO.org blows, and installing it is immoral |
| 14:00.01 | stoned | snowbird: also for now disable any firewall rules or iptables rules so we can see if it is causing a problem or not |
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| 14:00.08 | themill | twb: hell of a lot better than the alternatives that are out there |
| 14:00.08 | twb | If you install it, it might be run by accident |
| 14:00.17 | snowbird | il do that stoned |
| 14:00.24 | twb | themill: not if the alternative is hanggliding |
| 14:00.29 | simonrvn | themill: for sure |
| 14:00.33 | stoned | snowbird: and I'm just offering some suggesstions, I am not gauranteeing that it will work, because i have no idea |
| 14:00.41 | twb | Or TeX |
| 14:00.47 | stoned | simonrvn: kwe morning |
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| 14:00.55 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
| 14:01.00 | stoned | kwe indeed |
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| 14:01.05 | snowbird | ok stoned il check that let me get into were i can get into root |
| 14:01.19 | stoned | simonrvn: http://rafb.net/p/w8Wy9m49.html |
| 14:01.23 | stoned | what do you make of this? |
| 14:01.33 | stoned | MS windows |
| 14:01.35 | wols | shouldn't windows use 445 now instead? |
| 14:01.36 | stoned | I would assume |
| 14:01.39 | simonrvn | some stupid samba or winblows thing |
| 14:01.47 | Ahil | hi, i can't switch to verbose mode when using splashy with initramfs (F2 and ESC keys doesn't respond) |
| 14:01.48 | wols | it is SMB yes but sorta wrong port |
| 14:01.49 | stoned | 137-139 |
| 14:01.50 | twb | It's a windows host name service |
| 14:01.58 | wols | oh that one |
| 14:02.10 | themill | twb: tex isn't much chop for quickly visualising data or doing lots of data manipulation, though, is it? |
| 14:02.10 | shark | themill: ok, aplay works :) but anything in x doesn't work |
| 14:02.19 | twb | themill: popularity is irrelevant. |
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| 14:02.40 | themill | twb: never said it was |
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| 14:02.58 | themill | shark: OK... that's a start. Be happy ;) |
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| 14:03.06 | twb | Hmm, dunno how I got "popular" |
| 14:03.08 | shark | themill: i am, ^^ |
| 14:03.14 | Ronin | twb: cause your special |
| 14:03.18 | twb | I am. |
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| 14:03.37 | stoned | so you also require Special Ed.? |
| 14:03.40 | stoned | ;) |
| 14:03.51 | Ronin | rode the short bus? |
| 14:04.03 | twb | Dwarves don't ride. |
| 14:04.06 | themill | shark: you're in the audio group, aren't you? |
| 14:04.12 | twb | Everyone knows that |
| 14:04.13 | simonrvn | stoned: something on that host (192.168.0.100) is broadcasting, specifically |
| 14:04.31 | stoned | simonrvn: dhcp? |
| 14:04.34 | twb | 192.168.0.100 is such a cliche |
| 14:04.40 | shark | themill: no .... |
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| 14:04.44 | simonrvn | no, the windows stuff. dhcp is ports 67 and 68 |
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| 14:04.59 | snowbird | stoned in router? or net config? |
| 14:05.13 | stoned | simonrvn: what could cause this to happen |
| 14:05.13 | themill | shark: to be able to play audio, you either need to be root or in the group audio. |
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| 14:05.30 | simonrvn | stoned: have some samba thing or windows box there? |
| 14:05.41 | stoned | snowbird: see what simonrvn said |
| 14:05.47 | snowbird | yeah |
| 14:05.52 | stoned | I thought it was a dhcp thing like it couldn't get an address |
| 14:05.54 | shark | themill: ok, i added myslef ( no idea why i was removed from that group...) |
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| 14:05.59 | stoned | but obviously i suck at computers |
| 14:06.02 | shark | themill: now restart X ? |
| 14:06.07 | stoned | i can however play guitar and smoke pot |
| 14:06.10 | snowbird | i can dump samba for know |
| 14:06.11 | stoned | to make up for it |
| 14:06.18 | simonrvn | stoned: :) |
| 14:06.22 | themill | shark: you'll have to log in / out for group changes to occur. |
| 14:06.26 | stoned | hehe j/k |
| 14:06.33 | simonrvn | we all have out strengths and weaknesses |
| 14:06.37 | shark | themill: ok, brb :) |
| 14:06.38 | simonrvn | our* |
| 14:06.46 | snowbird | simonrvn should i get rid of samba for know |
| 14:06.51 | stoned | I know hardware and lots of it, that what I do for a living too |
| 14:06.55 | stoned | comptuer hardware |
| 14:06.58 | simonrvn | snowbird: if you're not using it sure |
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| 14:07.03 | wols | simonrvn: what I lack in strengths, I make up in weaknesses |
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| 14:07.11 | simonrvn | wols: hehe |
| 14:07.12 | stoned | I have samba running and I don't even know why |
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| 14:07.31 | snowbird | simonrvn: IS THAT MY ERROR? |
| 14:07.32 | stoned | I access that box through nfs, and I've got samba running on it, and I've NO windows boxes anymore |
| 14:08.13 | simonrvn | snowbird: that's what that iptables log stuff is yes. that .100 is trying to broadcast to .255, and probably getting dropped packets |
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| 14:08.43 | simonrvn | the only windows shit i have is the 3 uxterms and wine |
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| 14:08.51 | stoned | lol |
| 14:08.53 | simonrvn | 4 sorry |
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| 14:09.15 | stoned | simonrvn: what do you do for entertainment? |
| 14:09.23 | nuxis | someone know's how it is posible that i have normal sound but no sound on kdetv? |
| 14:09.28 | twb | We have one Windows box which is basically for doing tax returns |
| 14:09.35 | simonrvn | stoned: at home or outside? |
| 14:09.37 | esters | I'm using Fluxbox and i want to get slight hinting to all of my GTK+ apps , see screenshot : http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs118&d=07342&f=hinting.png , as you may see the Fluxbox menu is with hinted fonts (slight) but xchat has FULL hinting, but i want slight hinting to all of my apps |
| 14:09.47 | stoned | simonrvn: all the time |
| 14:09.48 | esters | fonts.conf - > http://pastebin.ca/665643 |
| 14:09.52 | stoned | both |
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| 14:09.54 | simonrvn | whatever |
| 14:10.01 | stoned | yeh same here |
| 14:10.11 | simonrvn | games, drumming, walking, music |
| 14:10.18 | nuxis | someone? |
| 14:10.21 | stoned | you like to walk? |
| 14:10.21 | twb | Argh! |
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| 14:10.23 | simonrvn | biking when my bike's working ;) |
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| 14:10.36 | twb | Will people stop making URLs that end in an image extension which AREN'T images! |
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| 14:10.40 | stoned | I like to drive, but gas costs too much so I kinda have to walk |
| 14:10.41 | [H4z3] | Guys, ever since i install etch, NO cd's will load when i boot the pc and debian can't recognize anthing, Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 14:10.50 | simonrvn | i gotta sleep, been up all night fixing one of the machines here |
| 14:10.51 | twb | mediawiki, this means you |
| 14:11.07 | stoned | have fun |
| 14:11.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 14:11.16 | simonrvn | you too ;) |
| 14:11.34 | esters | anyone ? |
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| 14:11.44 | twb | esters: that URL doesn't work in my browser. |
| 14:11.53 | [H4z3] | heh |
| 14:11.53 | wols | twb: I make .php files which are images |
| 14:11.55 | swordlaw | H4z3: maybe load it in /etc/fstab? |
| 14:11.56 | twb | esters: I had to run gecko to see the screenshot. |
| 14:12.03 | twb | esters: I hope you're happy |
| 14:12.09 | esters | twb, works fine on iceweasel :) |
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| 14:12.16 | esters | twb, http://xs118.xs.to/xs118/07342/hinting.png |
| 14:12.24 | wols | twb: anything to drag you away from lynx :) |
| 14:12.33 | twb | esters: much better |
| 14:12.40 | [H4z3] | swordlaw: i gotta be honest, because everytime the cd-rom has worked fine i have never used fstab, but ill have a google thanks |
| 14:12.41 | twb | wols: w3m can display images inline; lynx can't. |
| 14:12.42 | simonrvn | twb: QuitYerBitchin' ... get something to really bitch about then you'll leave the rest of us in peace |
| 14:12.51 | twb | simonrvn: hee |
| 14:13.07 | esters | well i can't figure why fluxbox displays fonts with hintslight but GTK apps are with hintfull |
| 14:13.14 | twb | esters: iceweasel is gecko, FYI |
| 14:13.24 | esters | twb, yes yes |
| 14:13.30 | stoned | hey |
| 14:13.31 | snowbird | ahh il use ftp to move files |
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| 14:13.46 | stoned | I remember my old 3DO I had the game called GEX on it |
| 14:13.52 | twb | esters: there's probably a magic invocation you can use in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 14:14.03 | stoned | it was a little gecko that ran around and it was awesome |
| 14:14.13 | esters | twb, i have setted some tweaks in .fonts.conf |
| 14:14.32 | twb | esters: so you've solved the problem? |
| 14:14.36 | esters | no |
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| 14:14.50 | esters | it only applies to fluxbox itself |
| 14:14.54 | esters | but not on GTK+ apps |
| 14:15.06 | shark | themill: thanks a lot, now it works |
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| 14:15.30 | themill | shark: hey, excellent. |
| 14:15.30 | shark | themill: i added myself to a new group, with usermod -G and forgot the -a... |
| 14:15.34 | rossMoHaX | hi! I've 10% sys load (acording to top) every 2 seconds. How could I figure out what happens? |
| 14:15.45 | twb | I remember seeing a gnome control center dialog to tweak hinting heaviness, but I doubt that applies unless you're running gconfd or whatever |
| 14:16.11 | esters | twb, i don wanna mess my system :) |
| 14:16.15 | twb | rossMoHaX: you can watch the process table with top(1) |
| 14:16.52 | zbrown | rossMoHaX: It could also be helpful to use htop, which is somewhat of a more friendly view of your process table |
| 14:17.06 | rossMoHaX | isn't there only userspace apps? I mean there is no kernel info. |
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| 14:17.34 | twb | rossMoHaX: it has some kernel threads, with [] around the names |
| 14:17.41 | rossMoHaX | I get 10% of kernel load every 2 seconds, no "user" or "wait" |
| 14:17.45 | themill | rossMoHaX: powertop might help |
| 14:18.10 | zbrown | rossMoHaX: I'd check with powertop and htop |
| 14:18.36 | twb | rossMoHaX: where are you seeing this load appear? |
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| 14:18.53 | abrotman | atop ? |
| 14:19.03 | rossMoHaX | twb in sysstat |
| 14:19.11 | rossMoHaX | vmsstat |
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| 14:19.16 | rossMoHaX | vmstat I mean |
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| 14:20.51 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
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| 14:22.24 | contrast83 | Does anyone know if "apt-get dselect-upgrade" will *remove* the applications that weren't installed when "dpkg --set-selections" was run? |
| 14:22.41 | snowbird | stil there i wouner if its dhcp thing |
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| 14:24.17 | eeyore- | morning |
| 14:24.36 | d0uglas | eeyore- in the house! |
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| 14:28.35 | DaFresh | hi all, |
| 14:28.36 | sdsa | guys i install ntpdate, but where is the config file so ican specify server? |
| 14:28.49 | jelly | Hm, sounds like your BIOS really IS broken. [14:19] <smhar> jelly-home, , enouf .. ok.. in the BIOS, I set the hardisk to AUTO, not user and the mode to LBA, but after the PC boots, it take forever 'detecting HDD Primary Master' |
| 14:29.15 | DaFresh | anyone know how can i define / set the kernel modules loading order ? |
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| 14:29.46 | Noborusan | sdsa, i did google for ntpdate server |
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| 14:30.09 | jelly | sdsa: /etc/default/ntpdate |
| 14:30.13 | Noborusan | bye guys,good night,thanks for helping in the day |
| 14:30.15 | enouf | jelly: i told him about debian-boot after that, i'm haven't been over there though.. |
| 14:30.41 | DaFresh | i've akready try /etc/modules but it didnt works ... maybe i have to deal with udev ? |
| 14:30.51 | DaFresh | s/akready/already |
| 14:31.01 | jelly | enouf: dunno, he's still here so I suppose the issue wasn't solved yet |
| 14:31.09 | antum | I'm getting subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10, how can I trouble shoot this? |
| 14:31.25 | thelostbutler | antum: what is the complete error message ? |
| 14:31.46 | chlue | sdsa: if you use kde, you can enable something in the controllcenter. I don't know what it does exacly (when, how often), but it keeps my laptop from living five days in the past. |
| 14:31.47 | wols | antum: your commandline, and everything you get |
| 14:31.58 | antum | http://www.pastebin.ca/665671 |
| 14:32.13 | eeyore- | noboru: pool.ntp.org |
| 14:32.47 | antum | I'm still having trouble installing phpmyadmin... I've been googling the past half hour with the help you guys have already given me but I've hit a brick wall :( |
| 14:33.08 | eeyore- | mmm, athlon64 x2 6400+ ... mmm ... too rich for me, though |
| 14:33.12 | contrast83 | Does anyone know if "apt-get dselect-upgrade" will *remove* the applications that weren't installed when "dpkg --set-selections" was run? |
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| 14:34.09 | sdsa | why when ido a ntpdate, it said ntpdate[4872]: no servers can be used, exiting.. i have configre the server time in the ntpdate.conf |
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| 14:34.40 | antum | and in my /var/log/dpkg I have: 2007-08-21 15:49:02 status half-configured phpmyadmin 4:2.9.1.1-3 |
| 14:34.44 | eeyore- | sdsa: "no server can be used" means just that ... the server you're trying to connect to hasn't settled down (this is your own private NTP server i assume?) |
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| 14:35.53 | sdsa | eeyore: i tried to connec tto time.windows.com |
| 14:36.02 | eeyore- | sdsa: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 14:36.06 | sdsa | i do not have ntp server, only a ntpdate, which is the client if i am not wrong.. |
| 14:36.16 | abrotman | tigger! |
| 14:36.22 | eeyore- | pooh! |
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| 14:36.31 | abrotman | actually .. guess that should have been tigger~ |
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| 14:36.35 | antum | What if I purge the phpmyadmin package... would that possible clear out the problems I'm having? |
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| 14:37.00 | wols | antum: could be |
| 14:37.18 | antum | how do I get it back after purging? I couldn't find the right docs. |
| 14:37.20 | _evo_ | install phpmyadmin per source |
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| 14:37.35 | DustyBin | i want to connect to another machine via ssh, and run something what uses x, i want the tool what uses x to be displayed ONLY on the machine im connecting to, what options do i use in ssh? |
| 14:37.53 | petemc | DustyBin: set DISPLAY |
| 14:38.05 | sdsa | eeyore- thakns yous |
| 14:38.06 | DustyBin | ok thanks |
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| 14:38.25 | EricJ2190 | what debian package do i have to install to get the "ip" command? |
| 14:38.37 | petemc | DustyBin: probably, you want DISPLAY=:0 command |
| 14:38.40 | wols | !tell EricJ2190 about search |
| 14:38.47 | eeyore- | DustyBin: export DISPLAY=:0.0 to display on the local machine (on the machine running the X binary itself) |
| 14:38.49 | wols | EricJ2190: search for bin/ip on pdo |
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| 14:39.00 | DustyBin | ssh DISPLAY=:0 admin@server.com ? |
| 14:39.09 | EricJ2190 | thanks :) |
| 14:39.16 | petemc | DustyBin: no, ssh in, and run that after you're in |
| 14:39.29 | hardcampa_ | you guys are making an easy thing hard |
| 14:39.35 | hardcampa_ | just run ssh -X remotehostwhateveritis |
| 14:39.55 | rocketmagnet | hi, i have a problem here, i have lost the root password for my workstation but remembered the normal user pass, how to get the root passwort if i have local access to the server ? |
| 14:39.59 | DustyBin | -X is not what i want, because the -X option also shows the tool on this machine what i dont want |
| 14:40.02 | eeyore- | hardcampa: and you're not reading :-) |
| 14:40.06 | hardcampa_ | =) |
| 14:40.09 | petemc | hardcampa_: make sure you understand what he wants before answering |
| 14:40.22 | hardcampa_ | yeye |
| 14:40.33 | petemc | so, still making an easy thing hard? |
| 14:40.37 | hardcampa_ | yup |
| 14:40.47 | eeyore- | hardcampa: he doesn't want -X (or -Y) |
| 14:41.02 | eeyore- | hardcampa: -X means to send the output to your screen |
| 14:41.19 | hardcampa_ | dude enough I know |
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| 14:41.35 | hardcampa_ | I though that was what he wanted.. but he wanted the thing you never do |
| 14:41.49 | antum | Oh My Gosh... I finally got it working... |
| 14:41.53 | DustyBin | petemc: i ssh'd into the machine and did: DISPLAY=:0 then i run the command and it says 'cannot connect to X server' |
| 14:42.11 | hardcampa_ | try xhost + on that server |
| 14:42.17 | wols | is a X server actually running? under the same user? |
| 14:42.17 | antum | After purging it with dpkg --purge phpmyadmin and then re installing with apt-get install phpmyadmin it works just fine .... |
| 14:42.18 | nuxien | who use grub2 ? |
| 14:42.19 | hardcampa_ | to allow.. itself... seems wierd |
| 14:42.22 | eeyore- | hardcampa: what? it's perfectly legitimate ... i ssh in to myth from my laptop, run xine to test something i just ripped, walk over to grab the remote and watch the stream ... perfectly legitimate |
| 14:42.31 | hardcampa_ | eeyone yes fine whatever |
| 14:42.33 | hardcampa_ | done? |
| 14:42.34 | twb | wols: that won't matter if he used gdm |
| 14:43.03 | DustyBin | wols: if i execute the command with the same user directly on the same machine it works fine |
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| 14:43.09 | twb | Normally, if you log in with gdm, only processes directly descended from the gdm process have permission to talk to the X server |
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| 14:43.28 | eeyore- | DustyBin: of course :-) that's the way it's supposed to work |
| 14:43.44 | twb | !paste |
| 14:43.45 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:43.50 | thelostbutler | antum:you can take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info . in that directory you can find the phpmyadmin files . a peek at phpadmin*post* files should help |
| 14:43.50 | eeyore- | DustyBin: SSH in with the same uid, set the display, then run the command |
| 14:44.14 | antum | thelostbutler, cheers |
| 14:44.44 | twb | Argh, stupid broken php |
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| 14:44.46 | twb | http://paste.debian.net/35101 |
| 14:44.51 | jeremy_g | how can i check whether a certain package is install on my box or not |
| 14:44.51 | eeyore- | abrotman: the S has hit the fan last week, eh? |
| 14:44.57 | abrotman | eeyore-: it did ? |
| 14:45.04 | wols | jeremy_g: dpkg -l <name> |
| 14:45.07 | jeremy_g | apt-get or dpkg equivalent of ; rpm -qa |grep pkg |
| 14:45.13 | jeremy_g | wols:OK |
| 14:45.30 | twb | jeremy_g: aptitude -F %p search ~i~npkg |
| 14:45.42 | twb | ...if you wanna show off. |
| 14:46.01 | thelostbutler | jeremy: dpkg -l | grep pack |
| 14:46.25 | jeremy_g | isnt there a simple command that lists all the installed packages preferably with there version numbers |
| 14:46.34 | azeem | jeremy_g: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 14:46.38 | thelostbutler | jeremy: dpkg -l |
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| 14:47.15 | twb | aptitude search ~i |
| 14:47.20 | jeremy_g | thanks azeem |
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| 14:50.13 | contrast83 | Does anyone know if "apt-get dselect-upgrade" will remove the applications that weren't installed when "dpkg --set-selections" was run? |
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| 14:56.02 | abrotman | contrast83: it'll tell you when you do it |
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| 14:56.41 | et | are there librsvg bindings for python in testing? |
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| 14:56.52 | et | ccsm (compiz) needs them |
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| 14:59.48 | contrast83 | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:00.01 | Nigromante | (Hi) |
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| 15:01.47 | snowbird | any how i got yelow start in synaptic any ideas? |
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| 15:05.25 | Nigromante | yelow start? |
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| 15:07.49 | rocketmagnet | hey, what's the default editor in rescue mode ? |
| 15:07.54 | rocketmagnet | vi or vim are not found |
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| 15:08.03 | rocketmagnet | also emacs is not found |
| 15:08.07 | Nigromante | i think it is nano? |
| 15:08.16 | twb | rocketmagnet: `editor' |
| 15:08.18 | Nigromante | (debian) |
| 15:08.23 | rocketmagnet | ty |
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| 15:08.58 | harpal | I have installed debian 4.0, now I have three interfaces, but it starts from eth6 not eth0 and I have 2 interface has eth1 but here its eth8, than how to determine that which eth* is for which interface? |
| 15:09.25 | rocketmagnet | ifconfig ? |
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| 15:10.19 | funky | udev stablishes a static dev name for every different mac address |
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| 15:10.53 | [Nande] | funky: usefull info, tnx |
| 15:10.54 | FwdUsa | hi guys, I need to install the libgtk2.0 but when I tried download it via apt-get it returns only the version 1.2. Does anyone know which repository I need to use? |
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| 15:11.18 | eeyore- | FwdUsa: what was the command you used? |
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| 15:11.59 | FwdUsa | eeyore, apt-get install libgtk |
| 15:12.12 | FwdUsa | then it found only the version libgtk1.2 |
| 15:12.29 | thelostbutler | FwdUSa: what tree are you tracking ? did you search on packages.debian.org ? |
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| 15:13.27 | eeyore- | FwdUsa: apt-cache search libgtk2 |
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| 15:14.40 | FwdUsa | i tried, not found .. =/ sorry, this is my first time using debian.. and i belive my apt repository is not correct |
| 15:14.57 | FwdUsa | gonna try packages.debian.org |
| 15:14.59 | FwdUsa | =] |
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| 15:16.22 | antum | How can I fix this: debconf: warning: possible database corruption. |
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| 15:16.28 | antum | or at least find out more about it? |
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| 15:19.15 | rocketmagnet | when i remove the shadow entry of root: does that has any side effects on the system ? |
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| 15:19.48 | Gge | hi - What's the best pdf viewer for you available in debian ? |
| 15:19.55 | rocketmagnet | i use xpdf |
| 15:20.10 | thelostbutler | Gge: kpdf |
| 15:20.12 | Gge | was thinking of this one |
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| 15:20.34 | wAndyw78 | Gge: I use evince |
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| 15:21.00 | eeyore- | rocketmagnet: yes, you might not be able to log in, for instance |
| 15:21.04 | rocketmagnet | is there a view that display the pages inside a browser like the chm viewer ? |
| 15:21.04 | eeyore- | (as root) |
| 15:21.39 | Gge | ok thanks a lot |
| 15:22.05 | rocketmagnet | eeyore-: i've replaced the encoded stuff with * so the passwort should be empty |
| 15:22.11 | rocketmagnet | (forgot the root passwort) |
| 15:22.50 | petemc | !ifrp |
| 15:22.50 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 15:23.13 | rocketmagnet | eeyore-: so what do i need to set to reset the root pw with the rescue disk ? |
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| 15:24.23 | lewis222 | hey there - I have compiled ffmpeg with lame support though when I run, on my AMD64 machine, I get: /usr/local/bin/ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libmp3lame.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory (even though /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 exists) - any ideas? |
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| 15:24.33 | eeyore- | rocketmagnet: no, "*" means "cannot log in" (because nothing will ever hash to "*", get it?) |
| 15:24.41 | sdsa | is there a way to linked a Debian toa checkpoint in vpn? |
| 15:24.57 | SoulChild | Hi All! Does modprobe add a module permanently,... will the module also be loaded after restart ? |
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| 15:25.19 | thelostbutler | rocketmagnet: how did you manage to put in a * ? if you are able to edit /etc/shadow then you should be logged in as root. why wouldn't you just run passwd to change the password. am i missing something ? |
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| 15:26.27 | thelostbutler | SoulChild: no it will not persist after reboot. |
| 15:26.38 | rocketmagnet | thelostbutler: i've run rescue from boot cd and mounted the device |
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| 15:28.45 | thelostbutler | rocketmagnet: you can use openssl passwd -1 password to generate the hash and put that hash in there |
| 15:29.08 | thelostbutler | rocketmagnet: http://www.madboa.com/geek/openssl/#passwd-md5 that is where i learnt about it |
| 15:29.13 | rocketmagnet | thelostbutler: replacing with * didn't worked |
| 15:29.14 | rocketmagnet | ty " |
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| 15:30.00 | thelostbutler | rocketmagnet: eeyore mentioned that putting a * in there wouldn't work anyway. please scroll up for his/her explanation |
| 15:30.54 | sparr | i have a tablet pc with a pressure sensitive touch screen. can anyone recommend some applications that can take advantage of that, for art or otherwise? |
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| 15:32.42 | smimp | i'm trying to get xen installed, i've got the hypervisor, but i'm not seeing the actual kernel i need.. i'm using lenny and i think i have what should be the necessary sources |
| 15:34.25 | rocketmagnet | sparr: hasn't the gimp stuff for it ? |
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| 15:35.06 | petemc | smimp: 2.6.18-N-xen-686 , where N is the largest number you see |
| 15:35.29 | petemc | smimp: obv, only use 686 if thats your arch |
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| 15:37.08 | smimp | petemc: not seeing it.. maybe i'm missing something in my sources file? i have main, contrib and non-free from one of the mirrors |
| 15:37.37 | slidesinger | Hey all, I'm working on becoming LAMP competent and need Kernel hacking and the AMP part of LAMP. Does anyone know a good place to start? |
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| 15:38.59 | petemc | smimp: perhaps its not in testing.. |
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| 15:39.04 | rocketmagnet | thelostbutler: does all shadow passworts use the same salt ? |
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| 15:39.08 | petemc | i dont use testing myself |
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| 15:39.52 | thelostbutler | rocketmagnet: i dunno. |
| 15:39.53 | humbolto | how can I check root mail on the console? |
| 15:40.08 | harpal | I have made a startup script and then I have added to startup with update-rc.d squid defaults, but when I reboot than at startup it doesnt start squid |
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| 15:40.23 | thelostbutler | humbolto: mail , mutt ? |
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| 15:40.48 | petemc | humbolto: root should be aliased to a normal user, the default config of exim wont deliver to root |
| 15:40.58 | humbolto | thelostbutler: if that is not installed? what is the UNIX standard way to do that? The most basic one? |
| 15:41.06 | petemc | humbolto: exim4 -bt root |
| 15:41.13 | stoned | haha |
| 15:41.16 | stoned | the lost butler |
| 15:41.21 | stoned | thats great |
| 15:41.25 | petemc | gah |
| 15:41.31 | petemc | nick completion gone mad |
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| 15:42.39 | rocketmagnet | for what is /etc/shadows- ? |
| 15:43.48 | harpal | rocketmagnet: I think password are also saved there |
| 15:44.28 | rocketmagnet | like .swp files ? |
| 15:44.31 | jelly | rocketmagnet: it's a backup copy of the previous version of the file |
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| 15:44.39 | rocketmagnet | what if i set a * for root in both files ? |
| 15:44.45 | rocketmagnet | instead of passwort |
| 15:45.02 | snowbird | aok |
| 15:45.22 | jelly | rocketmagnet: doesn't just leaving the password field empty work? |
| 15:45.26 | rocketmagnet | nope |
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| 15:46.08 | jelly | rocketmagnet: you said you knew the user password? |
| 15:46.12 | rocketmagnet | i've made this from rescue mode to reset root password, but it seems like shadow- is a fallback if shadow is not set |
| 15:46.17 | jelly | rocketmagnet: so copy it over. |
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| 15:46.46 | rocketmagnet | that's what i'm doing now, but i first try to crack it with john the ripper =9 |
| 15:47.50 | jelly | rocketmagnet: wait, you have the root fs mounted. can you make the root password empty root:: ..., chroot then do passwd root to set a new one? |
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| 15:48.20 | antum | anyone know where to get help with postfix? |
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| 15:48.43 | jelly | antum: stupid guess: #postfix |
| 15:48.54 | thelostbutler | rocketmagnet: from man shadow If the password field contains some string that is not valid result of crypt(3), for instance ! or , the user will not be able to use a unix password to log in, subject to pam(7). so forget about |
| 15:49.02 | antum | jelly, that could work :) |
| 15:49.30 | jelly | !virtualbox |
| 15:49.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
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| 15:51.45 | rocketmagnet | thelostbutler: so i just replace the * with the output of openssl passwd -1 |
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| 15:52.07 | thelostbutler | rocketmagnet: openssl passwd -1 yournewpassword |
| 15:52.26 | rocketmagnet | ty again |
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| 15:52.42 | rocketmagnet | that's also nice to know for php or other script languages to provide security |
| 15:52.45 | rocketmagnet | or random data |
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| 15:55.02 | rocketmagnet | how to copy a line with nano ß |
| 15:55.04 | rocketmagnet | ? |
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| 15:56.16 | thelostbutler | rocketmagnet: the dumb way, because i didn't rtfm to copy cntrl+K cntrl+U , cntrl+U where you paste |
| 15:56.36 | andreiutz | i want to do a netinstall for testing (http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/) but when i click on the link for the i386 iso the folder is empty. same for businesscard image. How can i do a netinstall for testing ? |
| 15:56.54 | buscon | Hi, if I create a new partition, I cannot see it under /dev/ - I even tried to restart udev but no way |
| 15:57.08 | buscon | the only solution seems to restart the machine... |
| 15:57.14 | buscon | any ideas ? |
| 15:57.48 | rocketmagnet | i'm interessted how long it take john the ripper to encode the md5 hash |
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| 15:58.08 | jelly | buscon: if the drive with that partition is in use, kernel can't reread the p.table |
| 15:58.09 | themill | !tell andreiutz about lenny netinstall |
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| 15:58.34 | buscon | jelly, ok, so I have to restart? |
| 15:58.40 | buscon | no other ways ? |
| 15:58.44 | DaFresh | anyone know how can i define / set the kernel modules loading order ? |
| 15:58.52 | jelly | buscon: solution: umount all the other partitions from that drive, turn off all swap, and reread the partition table |
| 15:59.14 | DaFresh | except with the /etc/modules because it doesnt work |
| 15:59.16 | antum | How do I set something to owner+group+world executable |
| 15:59.21 | jelly | buscon: if your root filesystem is on that drive, restart, yes. |
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| 16:00.22 | buscon | jelly, ok, and how can force the reread of the partition table ? |
| 16:00.35 | rocketmagnet | reboot ? |
| 16:00.45 | rocketmagnet | or with fdisk perhabs? |
| 16:00.50 | dutchfish | i cant run (with right click and choose run with ...) an avi with VLC from a samba share but i can run it from my homedir. With totem i CAN run this from the same samba share. How can i solve this, i have no clue. |
| 16:00.58 | thelostbutler | antum: chmod a+x foobar |
| 16:01.02 | jelly | buscon: for example blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sda |
| 16:01.05 | antum | cheers! |
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| 16:01.17 | buscon | jelly, ok, thanx |
| 16:02.04 | jelly | buscon: before I knew of blockdev, I would run cfdisk and just [W]rite the partition table again without changing anything |
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| 16:02.52 | jelly | buscon: you should see if it worked in dmesg |
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| 16:04.01 | buscon | jelly, yeah it worked :) - thank you |
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| 16:04.40 | dutchfish | In debian etch gnome: i cant run (with right click and choose run with ...) an avi with VLC from a samba share but i can run it from my homedir. With totem i CAN run this from the same samba share. How can i solve this, i have no clue. |
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| 16:06.14 | harpal | I have install clamav with prefix,now I have to set its lib file how to set that |
| 16:06.36 | jelly | how can I look if there's a WNPP for virtualbox? |
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| 16:07.00 | thelostbutler | harpal: what do you mean by set its' lib file ? |
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| 16:07.49 | dutchfish | harpal, did you install from source or with apt? did you also install clamd? |
| 16:07.54 | themill | jelly: if you have it installed, then wnpp-alert (from devscripts, I think) |
| 16:07.57 | harpal | means I havent all file in regular lib directory, because I have given prefix |
| 16:08.08 | harpal | install with source |
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| 16:08.24 | jelly | themill: I have it, thanks |
| 16:08.28 | dutchfish | harpal, is clamd running? |
| 16:08.51 | harpal | yes |
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| 16:09.18 | dutchfish | harpal, did you run update for new sigs? |
| 16:09.22 | themill | jelly: or, of course, from the bts itself: http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp |
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| 16:10.13 | dutchfish | harpal, you also need volatile i believe in your source.lst |
| 16:10.17 | harpal | now I am trying to install snort and with option --enable-clamav so its asking checking for cl_scandesc in -lclamav... no |
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| 16:10.43 | harpal | I have updated clamav |
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| 16:11.05 | dutchfish | harpal, hold on i check |
| 16:11.19 | andreiutz | themill, dpkg gave this link but still no image: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 16:11.46 | jbm | hm. so when i try to access other ttys using ctrl-alt-f1-6 from X, I just get a black screen.. |
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| 16:11.57 | jbm | top tells me i have getty running on them though |
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| 16:12.28 | antum | Hi there, my postfix is messed up pretty bad... I can't seem to uninstall it and I can't get it working as it is... is there anyway to re run the post installation script?? |
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| 16:12.46 | themill | andreiutz: they've either been pulled because they are broken or there's a fubar in the scripts that keep the builds up to date. The d-i team are recommending installing etch and upgrading anyway atm. |
| 16:13.17 | dutchfish | harpal, no, i have none of those problems with snort nor clamav but i used clamav from volatile not from source. Maybe this gives a clue: http://osdir.com/ml/security.virus.clamav.devel/2005-05/msg00071.html |
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| 16:14.56 | snowbird | hey simonrvn still error i gave up |
| 16:15.05 | Pntkl | hello |
| 16:15.22 | harpal | sorry I have try to install snort_inline not snort |
| 16:15.32 | harpal | in snort its not giving amy error |
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| 16:16.10 | harpal | dutchfish: u r right. in snort its not error but I got that in snort_inlinr |
| 16:16.19 | ramindia | hi can some one tell me what package i need to install get debuild |
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| 16:17.09 | dutchfish | harpal, i would try with the volatile clamav along with snot from etch's apt-sources |
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| 16:17.23 | dutchfish | harpal, snot = snort* |
| 16:17.28 | themill | !tell ramindia about search |
| 16:17.37 | themill | ramindia: debuild is in devscripts |
| 16:17.50 | harpal | no snort ia not same as snort_inlinr |
| 16:17.56 | kenji | is there a way to know how many process python its ussing? (without top and ps) |
| 16:18.02 | harpal | no snort is not same as snort_inline |
| 16:18.19 | ramindia | themill: how can i install |
| 16:18.30 | harpal | I have installed all from source not from repository so thats problem |
| 16:18.35 | themill | ramindia: aptitude install devscripts |
| 16:18.41 | themill | !tell ramindia about grounding |
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| 16:19.19 | dutchfish | harpal, yes... what version of libcap is installed? |
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| 16:20.03 | harpal | 0.9.5-1 |
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| 16:20.13 | harpal | from apt-get |
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| 16:20.49 | dutchfish | harpal, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=cf09ac7f0704282332u78e4afbex6448d152a4209b6b%40mail.gmail.com |
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| 16:21.50 | harpal | dutchfish: thats not the error I am getting |
| 16:21.59 | dutchfish | harpal, or maybe this: http://www.networksecurityarchive.org/html/Snort-Users/2006-09/msg00028.html |
| 16:22.02 | harpal | I am getting checking for cl_scandesc in -lclamav... no |
| 16:22.13 | harpal | at ./configure on snort_inline |
| 16:22.49 | dutchfish | harpal, i am out of options, maybe you should recheck and file this as a bug .... |
| 16:23.14 | DustyBin | grrrrr why is it everytime i apt-get update with a unstable repos, then remove the unstable, put back in the stable repos, do a apt-get update, it errors? |
| 16:23.34 | DustyBin | iled to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
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| 16:23.58 | mesof | can menu underlining be disabled for the main menu? |
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| 16:24.21 | dutchfish | DustyBin, what about apt-get clean & dist-upgrade RTFM |
| 16:24.30 | themill | DustyBin: because you're doing your best to host your system. |
| 16:24.33 | themill | *hose |
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| 16:25.28 | wastro | what package do I use for opengl dev? |
| 16:25.41 | eeyore- | mesof: if you made yourself a theme engine, should be |
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| 16:26.26 | mesof | eeyore-: i've moreless been editing Twice |
| 16:26.35 | mesof | where are the engines located? |
| 16:26.44 | DustyBin | dutchfish: thanks that worked |
| 16:26.53 | mesof | or what are they called? |
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| 16:28.49 | ormandj | hm, in debian unstable, using iceweasel, i don't see an option to force links clicked to *always* open in tabs instead of new windows. i searched google to no avail. any ideas? |
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| 16:29.31 | slidesinger | ormandj: edit preferences tabs |
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| 16:29.57 | ormandj | i was in there, and chose new pages should be opened in tabs |
| 16:30.08 | ormandj | but it doesn't work if something intentionally loads itself in its on window |
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| 16:30.45 | slidesinger | ormandj: It does work unless a javascript overrides. |
| 16:31.16 | ormandj | yeah, in firefox, there was a setting to prevent javascript from overriding, and it's missing in iceweasel - that's exactly what i'm looking for |
| 16:31.22 | slidesinger | ormandj: I don't know of any way around that. Perhaps make it a feature request? |
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| 16:31.44 | rocketmagnet | what's the best way to resize the / partition (so i give it some space from my /home partition) ? |
| 16:31.47 | ormandj | well, what's weird - it's already an option in FF :) |
| 16:31.48 | eeyore- | where is this famed reworked GNOME main menu that's going to be out in next novell linux? |
| 16:32.02 | slidesinger | ormandj: not in the current release. |
| 16:32.15 | jelly | ormandj: matching versions of firefox and iceweasel? |
| 16:32.45 | dutchfish | i cant run (with right click and choose run with ...) an avi with VLC from a samba share but i can run it from my homedir. With totem i CAN run this from the same samba share. How can i solve this, i have no clue. |
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| 16:33.13 | ormandj | jelly: doubtful, but couldn't tell you - not at my desktop to check |
| 16:33.18 | antum | Why would I be getting this error: dpkg-statoverride: cannot open statoverride: No such file or directory |
| 16:33.31 | themill | dutchfish: it's going to be related to your file manager config (nautilus, konqi, whatever). Beyond that, I can't tell you anything else. |
| 16:33.51 | dutchfish | themill, i am using nautilus |
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| 16:34.19 | wAndyw78 | dutchfish: What means "can't run" ? |
| 16:34.24 | wAndyw78 | error message? |
| 16:34.28 | dutchfish | themill, vlc starts but the right clicked file is not linked proper to the running instance |
| 16:35.11 | dutchfish | themill, however this works on local dirs but not on samba shares |
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| 16:35.39 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, no errors in the logs |
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| 16:36.20 | wAndyw78 | waht happens if you open the file in VLC? not using nautilus? |
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| 16:36.32 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, the amazing thing is right clicking and open it with totem player does work on the same samba share |
| 16:36.54 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, hold on i try |
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| 16:37.46 | slidesinger | ormandj: you can also check out firefox extensions which, of course, begs the question of whether or not firefox extensions will run in iceweasel. I hope iceweasel stays a free implementation of firefox and not a fork. |
| 16:38.41 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, not possible because the file browser inside VLC can not reach the samba share through nuatilus |
| 16:39.04 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, but neither can the file browser inside totem |
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| 16:39.46 | themill | does vlc understand smb:// ? |
| 16:39.47 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, one more thing: if i mount the share locally through smbfs it works |
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| 16:41.35 | mark_s | Hi all, aptitude wants to delete something with 512k. how can I find out which package this is? |
| 16:42.12 | mark_s | I found it :-) |
| 16:42.14 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, nope, it doesnt with smb://host.tld/share/foofile |
| 16:42.54 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, i believe i got my answer |
| 16:42.59 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, thx |
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| 16:43.24 | wAndyw78 | let us know... |
| 16:43.39 | harpal | how can I set LIB path, so I have lib* file in another folder so I can include that |
| 16:43.50 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, sorry, i meant its not possible, VLC in debian doesnt understand smb:// |
| 16:44.21 | wAndyw78 | Ah |
| 16:44.28 | kenji | is there a way to know how many processor python its ussing? (without top and ps) |
| 16:44.39 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, that explains why mounting the share through smfs locally does work |
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| 16:45.06 | dutchfish | wAndyw78, smbfs* |
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| 16:46.29 | corydora | Hello |
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| 16:47.06 | corydora | im sorry the question but someone knows some good wireless gui configuration to wireless ...?! |
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| 16:47.33 | dutchfish | kenji, what do you mean? programmatically? from within script? other? |
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| 16:49.46 | SerajewelKS | what's up with libc in lenny |
| 16:49.50 | SerajewelKS | a dependency loop? |
| 16:50.33 | wAndyw78 | corydora: network-manager-gnome ? |
| 16:50.53 | wAndyw78 | why is povray only in sid available? |
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| 16:50.55 | corydora | wAndyw78 i allteady try but looks dont work :x somethign is missing here :| |
| 16:50.58 | SerajewelKS | oh nevermind, a 3rd party deb is causing it: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.6.1-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib64', which is also in package virtualbox |
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| 16:51.06 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, not to mention the latest sec. libc6-xen update for etch wich fxx up dependecies in domU |
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| 16:51.24 | corydora | wAndyw78 i allready try but looks something dont work here :| |
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| 16:51.43 | cahoot | corydora, you know everything but 'lo' should be commented out in interfaces for nm to work ? |
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| 16:51.53 | wAndyw78 | corydora: are you able to establish a connection manually? using iwconfig ? |
| 16:52.00 | DrAk0 | hey there, im having problem trying to ban a module that keep loading at startup, is mISDN, no matter what i do, it keeps loading... |
| 16:52.02 | SerajewelKS | dutchfish: good thing i don't use xen then, eh? :) |
| 16:52.25 | dutchfish | SerajewelKS, yes, but a lot of do, however its easy to fix |
| 16:52.27 | corydora | i have internet in lan ... but not i wan :x |
| 16:53.13 | corydora | wAndyw78 lets me try iwconfig |
| 16:53.21 | wAndyw78 | DrAk: you added the module to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
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| 16:54.04 | corydora | cahoot idont understand im sorry :x |
| 16:54.04 | xand | SerajewelKS: I have 15 internet |
| 16:54.11 | antum | does anyone know what this error means? shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 16:54.22 | antum | it happened during an apt-get remove |
| 16:54.30 | xand | !pt |
| 16:54.30 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:54.38 | xand | corydora: tried there? |
| 16:55.10 | siny | antum: i think you must get one level up |
| 16:55.17 | Enselic | Hello, bash seems to have hanged on me, I can switch VT, but I can't execute the current command, I can't do anything at VT1, any ideas? it just randomly locked up as I were writing a gunzip command |
| 16:55.19 | SerajewelKS | ahaha... aptitude bug |
| 16:55.26 | SerajewelKS | Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] ? |
| 16:55.30 | SerajewelKS | Segmentation fault |
| 16:55.42 | dutchfish | antum, maybe this : you did run apt-get remove inside a dir what was removed by this procedure? |
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| 16:56.11 | antum | yep! :) |
| 16:56.17 | antum | woops... |
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| 16:56.26 | dutchfish | antum, chears |
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| 16:56.39 | antum | well its 5am, I've been up all night trying to get this blimmin' thing working |
| 16:56.40 | corydora | there is one mistake in dpkg ... portuguese is from portugal and brasilian is from brasil |
| 16:56.48 | kenji | dutchfish: I wanna find out how many instances are running and the current CPU usage rate of python |
| 16:57.00 | kenji | dutchfish: with bash could be fine |
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| 16:57.15 | asg | corydora: they speak portuguese in brazil |
| 16:57.32 | dutchfish | kenji, ps auxww | grep python (as sudoer) |
| 16:57.36 | antum | if anyone could help me with this: http://www.pastebin.ca/665810 I would be super grateful |
| 16:57.52 | antum | just anything... clues... links... anything.... |
| 16:57.57 | corydora | asg basic is the same stuff allmost the same stuff ... but tecniquc are diferent languages ... |
| 16:58.01 | RvGaTe | now my nvidia drivers are working again, my faith in debian has returned :D |
| 16:58.01 | streuner | !pt |
| 16:58.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:58.13 | corydora | yes is allmost the same thing ... |
| 16:58.22 | corydora | we try to keep language the same |
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| 16:58.29 | kenji | dutchfish: no men |
| 16:58.32 | eeyore- | kenji: why do you want to do it without ps? is this for linux or something else? |
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| 16:58.54 | Judgen_ | I just ran apt-get upgrade and now my squid's messed |
| 16:58.59 | kenji | eeyore because ps don't show me the real %CPU used |
| 16:59.02 | mesof | antum: try apt-get autoremove |
| 16:59.07 | kenji | all the time drop the same value eeyore |
| 16:59.14 | Judgen_ | Squid Parent: child process 3063 exited due to signal 6 |
| 16:59.16 | antum | mesof cheers, Ive never heard of that one before... |
| 16:59.19 | eeyore- | kenji: like what? |
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| 16:59.29 | mesof | it may not correct the problem though |
| 16:59.39 | antum | mesof it says invalid operation? |
| 16:59.42 | kenji | dutchfish: I wanna run something like python_status.sh and it should return ... 50 ... or 10 ... or 20 ... (the % of all python process CPU usage) |
| 16:59.52 | ampex | Judgen_: have you checked the logs? |
| 16:59.54 | corydora | asg but in the real is is the same stuff |
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| 17:00.16 | Judgen_ | ampex : yeah just pasted from the syslog |
| 17:00.40 | ampex | Judgen_: squid logs |
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| 17:00.41 | kenji | eeyore: I wanna run something like python_status.sh and it should return ... 50 ... or 10 ... or 20 ... (the % of all python process CPU usage) |
| 17:00.43 | dutchfish | kenji, your script should use awk and some math to calculate because those are ALL diferent instances |
| 17:00.45 | harpal | I have made a startup script and then I have added to startup with update-rc.d squid defaults, but when I reboot than at startup it doesnt start squid |
| 17:01.09 | wAndyw78 | anyone knows why povray is not in the lenny repositories? |
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| 17:01.34 | Judgen_ | ampex : FATAL: storeUfsDirOpenSwapLog: Failed to open swap log. |
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| 17:01.45 | ampex | Judgen_: permissions on the swap log? |
| 17:01.49 | eeyore- | kenji: ps au |
| 17:01.59 | kenji | dutchfish: I tryed this but its to slow ... http://rafb.net/p/QMMjcD31.html |
| 17:02.03 | antum | can someone check their system and tell me if I'm supposed to have a file at /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride or if it is a temporary file? |
| 17:02.05 | kenji | eeyore: look at this http://rafb.net/p/QMMjcD31.html |
| 17:02.17 | Judgen_ | ampex : -rw-r----- 1 root proxy 308976 2007-08-21 18:36 swap.state |
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| 17:02.33 | ampex | Judgen_: is squid running as root? |
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| 17:02.58 | dutchfish | kenji, tip : get rid of the loop .... ;) |
| 17:02.59 | mesof | antum: just leave it |
| 17:02.59 | Judgen_ | ampex : i hope not |
| 17:03.02 | cahoot | antum, there is one here |
| 17:03.09 | kenji | dutchfish: what? xD |
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| 17:03.47 | antum | mesof, cahoot... I don't have one... what does the insides of yours look like? could I get away with an empty one? |
| 17:03.55 | ampex | Judgen_: try squid -z |
| 17:04.07 | mesof | antum: did you delete it or something? |
| 17:04.10 | Judgen_ | ampex : chown proxy did some magic |
| 17:04.17 | eeyore- | kenji: when you use certain flags, certain OTHER flags are not accepted. in this case you choose to use "-C", so you can't use "u" flag. if you just used "ps au" then grep for python, problem solved, no? |
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| 17:04.27 | antum | mesof my system crashed during an apt-get upgrade and now everythings a mess... |
| 17:04.32 | ampex | Judgen_: might want to check perms on other files in that dir also |
| 17:04.34 | antum | some files are missing :( |
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| 17:04.36 | ampex | Judgen_: and squid cache dir |
| 17:04.38 | eeyore- | kenji: or, were you all set to use "ps -C" and compute your own time / usage / blah |
| 17:04.59 | Judgen_ | ampex : will check that, thnks |
| 17:05.07 | |messiah| | I want to know how canI get this permissions drwx-wx--T in a directory? |
| 17:05.14 | |messiah| | I don't know what is T |
| 17:05.31 | rgsteele | Hey folks. I've got a few Etch boxes where all the man pages incorrectly display certain characters (frequently, apostrophe's and quotation marks). I think it's a UTF-8 encoding issue, but it's only present in the man pages... any ideas where to start poking around there? |
| 17:05.42 | eeyore- | if your name were easier to type i would tell you |
| 17:05.45 | mesof | antum... |
| 17:05.49 | antum | Weird! I do a "locate statoverride" and it shows as existing in /var/lib/dpkg/ but when I go there its gone... |
| 17:05.50 | mesof | mpd audio 0755 /var/lib/mpd/playlists |
| 17:05.50 | mesof | mpd audio 0755 /var/lib/mpd |
| 17:05.50 | mesof | mpd audio 0755 /var/run/mpd |
| 17:05.50 | mesof | root root 4755 /usr/lib/xcdroast/bin/xcdrwrap |
| 17:05.50 | mesof | mpd audio 0640 /etc/mpd.conf |
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| 17:06.15 | antum | thanks, |
| 17:06.27 | kenji | eyeore my script use top not ps |
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| 17:06.59 | eeyore- | kenji: what about "ps -C python -o pid= > pids" ???? |
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| 17:07.05 | obsethryl | is there anyone with cryptsetup experience on debian testing? I have a problem with changing hash spec to sha512 for example despite i have sha512 module loaded, thanks |
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| 17:07.18 | eeyore- | kenji: dude, you're just looking for like the most complex braindead way possible |
| 17:07.33 | Roy_M | Hi can someone point me in the direction of some documetation on setting the time in debian? |
| 17:07.54 | madsara | Hey, I've already installed kernel-headers (perhaps from a different kernel package), and now libc6-dev is blocked, since it wants to install kernel-headers. How do I force the install, without installing the dependency? |
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| 17:08.06 | Supaplex | Roy_M: man date, or rdate |
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| 17:08.14 | Roy_M | thanks :) |
| 17:08.18 | Supaplex | Roy_M: np |
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| 17:08.37 | eeyore- | kenji: let me see ... you first get a list of PIDs, then you run top with 1 iteration, grep for python, print out the ninth field, whatever the heck that is, then you try to compute something but you gave up and commented it out ... |
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| 17:09.03 | kenji | eeyore: because its in spanish ¬¬ |
| 17:09.22 | themill | you could also just pgrep to get the list of PIDs |
| 17:09.24 | Supaplex | is it safe to set my drives to udma6 vs mdma2? hdparm -i says they support udma6, but they're only using mdma2 atm. I have 80pin pata cables. |
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| 17:10.13 | kenji | eeyore it get 1 iteration of top with the pids CPU% use and then it try to add all of them (%cpu of pid1 + %cpu of pid2 + %cpu of pid3 ...) |
| 17:10.22 | Supaplex | kenji: or you could do away with that all together, and write it in perl. |
| 17:10.33 | kenji | Supaplex I don't know perl |
| 17:10.40 | Supaplex | kenji: what are you trying to accomplish anyway? |
| 17:10.53 | kenji | Supapplex I wanna know the processor use of python |
| 17:11.16 | jbm | omg kenji |
| 17:11.32 | kenji | Suppaplex: I wanna do script that I could run ./python_status.sh and it jus return a value (the % of CPU use of all the pids of python) |
| 17:11.34 | Supaplex | kenji: man time |
| 17:12.30 | themill | I think the question is still: wtf |
| 17:12.45 | eeyore- | kenji: in all this time, have you *actually* "ps aux"? |
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| 17:12.49 | Supaplex | kenji: there's also accounting tools. |
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| 17:13.05 | eeyore- | (yeah, there's psacct as well :-p) |
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| 17:13.23 | kenji | Supapplex: for example? (what accounting tools could I use? |
| 17:13.26 | |messiah| | I want to know how canI get this permissions drwx-wx--T in a directory, the first part is 730 but the T how can I get it? |
| 17:13.49 | jelly | |messiah|: T is the sticky bit, 01000 |
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| 17:13.54 | eeyore- | quota-acct? |
| 17:14.14 | JordiGH | Huh, funny. Konqui can't automount an ntfs external hard drive with ntfs-3g, but Nautilus has no problems. :-/ |
| 17:14.16 | jelly | |messiah|: so, 1730 octal. |
| 17:14.51 | |messiah| | ohh ok jelly, how can I put it in a directory the siticky bit? |
| 17:14.53 | rgsteele | Ah, got it. The locale was defaulting to utf-8. Setting it to POSIX fixed things. |
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| 17:15.37 | rgsteele | |messiah|: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit |
| 17:15.39 | jelly | |messiah|: um, I just told you which octal number to use |
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| 17:15.56 | |messiah| | ohhh ok thanks |
| 17:16.27 | jelly | |messiah|: maybe it would be easier for you to use symbolic notation for chmod. |
| 17:16.28 | JordiGH | The "sticky bit" name is the most confusing thing either. It's sticky? What does it stick to? |
| 17:16.38 | jelly | JordiGH: makes files stick |
| 17:16.48 | JordiGH | To what? The original user? |
| 17:16.50 | Supaplex | !+info ac |
| 17:16.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:16.56 | dpkg | Package 'ac' does not exist. |
| 17:16.58 | Ashareth | JordiGH: Something like that. |
| 17:17.17 | Supaplex | !tell kenji -about search |
| 17:17.23 | Ashareth | It gives the owner's right to the file/prog with the sticky bit. |
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| 17:17.40 | Ashareth | Allows people without privileges to use something with another user's privileges. |
| 17:17.40 | kenji | so no way to know how many processor python its ussing? |
| 17:17.51 | antum | how do i check that i have no dependency issues? |
| 17:17.56 | jelly | JordiGH: it's for hysterical raisins... but, files in a sticky directory can't be deleted by someone else, even when that someone has write permissions on the directory |
| 17:18.02 | antum | I hope you take that as a debian question :) |
| 17:18.03 | eeyore- | jelly: historical |
| 17:18.15 | JordiGH | jelly: I know what it's for. It just has a weird name. |
| 17:18.20 | jelly | eeyore-: you're okay with raisins? |
| 17:18.21 | eeyore- | jelly: oh yeah :-) hysterical raisins :-))))) |
| 17:18.25 | eeyore- | jelly: gotcha |
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| 17:18.34 | JordiGH | And eeyore- was enlightened |
| 17:18.35 | eeyore- | jelly: little slow on the uptake |
| 17:18.55 | xjkx | I have a debian on machine 1, and win98 on machine 2, my printer is working fine on machine 1 (debian) which is controled by CUPS. How do i add this printer on machine 2 (win98) so machine 2 would be able to use it ? |
| 17:19.04 | xjkx | They are on a lan |
| 17:19.23 | sdsa | after installing debian, i set up my interface. however i cannot ping google.com or any domain name it said: unkown host: www.google.com |
| 17:19.26 | sdsa | someone could help me out |
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| 17:20.26 | jelly | JordiGH: [weird name] that it does. |
| 17:20.37 | bjorkimacg3 | sdsa, are you able to browse the web |
| 17:20.40 | bjorkimacg3 | or chat on irc? |
| 17:20.41 | jelly | JordiGH: still better than "special bit one" |
| 17:20.46 | Ronin | can you ping it by ip sdsa ? |
| 17:20.46 | bjorkimacg3 | via that computer? |
| 17:21.10 | sdsa | bjorkimacg3: no internet at all |
| 17:21.24 | bjorkimacg3 | what does resolv.conf look like? |
| 17:21.37 | JordiGH | jelly: The "mine, mine, mine!!" bit. |
| 17:21.47 | jelly | info coreutils 'Mode Structure' |
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| 17:22.51 | jelly | also, google should show some weirdness about sticky bit on different unices I think |
| 17:22.54 | Supaplex | are the debian stock etch kernels using libata? |
| 17:23.06 | sdsa | bjorkimacg3: search firewall |
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| 17:23.25 | sdsa | bjorkimacg3: nameserver myipDNS |
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| 17:24.29 | jelly | Supaplex: for SATA, yes. for PATA, I don't think so |
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| 17:25.11 | NOureddine | fuck u all |
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| 17:25.29 | JordiGH | !customer |
| 17:25.29 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 17:26.47 | jbm | anyone have a recommended provider for a vps with debian? |
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| 17:29.09 | obsethryl | ok I have resolved my issue (alone, again), and here is the answer: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.kernel.device-mapper.dm-crypt/2005-07/msg00025.html I guess i will have to browser through sources to see if this still applies and what could be done to fix this |
| 17:29.21 | bjorkimacg3 | error opening the selected -vo device... what could that mean? |
| 17:29.32 | jelly | Supaplex: one exception: if you add a kernel argument like libata.atapi_enabled=1, and the libata driver in 2.6.18 has support for PATA, like ata_piix does, then it will override the olde IDE driver and attach PATA channels too. I used this on my thinkpad to work around http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problems_with_SATA_and_Linux#No_DMA_on_DVD_drive |
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| 17:29.36 | antum | I've just done an apt-get upgrade and have experienced errors upgrading openssh-client and a couple of other very important packages. |
| 17:29.43 | antum | Please see if you can help? http://www.pastebin.ca/665843 |
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| 17:33.19 | antum | jelly, don't suppose you could take a quick look at my pastebin? |
| 17:33.45 | obsethryl | yup it is still valid, and for the same reason (sha1 hash) |
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| 17:35.33 | jelly | antum: that update-alternatives: internal error: /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/rlogin corrupt: manflag line looks nasty. can you pastebin ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/rlogin and also the file contents? |
| 17:35.49 | Supaplex | jelly: humm. I have a serverworks chipset. interesting. is libata visible in sysctl? |
| 17:36.15 | jelly | Supaplex: I think you need 2.6.20 for that one :-| |
| 17:36.24 | Supaplex | fooy. |
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| 17:37.03 | jelly | Supaplex: maybe the kmuto.jp sarge image with 2.6.20-something would work |
| 17:37.21 | antum | jelly: Here's the contents: http://www.pastebin.ca/665847 |
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| 17:37.54 | antum | jelly: the ls -l command gives: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1845 2007-08-14 12:09 /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/rlogin |
| 17:37.57 | AKX | Hey, I've a laptop with a Broadcom integrated WLAN card.. I can use monitoring mode just fine on it, but trying to associate with an AP fails... How should I go about troubleshooting this? |
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| 17:37.59 | jelly | antum: that's "/var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/rlogin" ?? |
| 17:38.02 | Supaplex | reading the kernel help (make menuconfig) on config option 'IDE' - who's ever seen 4 devices on ONE pata cable, let alone actually work? I'd think the drives would have to support it. Is this just a relic? |
| 17:38.03 | jelly | woah. |
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| 17:38.56 | adv3cate | are the "rt-test-X" processes in this ps list common for kernels built with debugging symbols? http://rafb.net/p/nV4sZU56.html |
| 17:38.58 | antum | jelly... umm yep it is... is it a problem? |
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| 17:39.35 | jelly | antum: it's quite weird. please pastebin dpkg -l libc6 dpkg ... have you installed from etch installation media, or upgraded? |
| 17:40.10 | jelly | Supaplex: as far as I understand IDE, that just can't work |
| 17:40.30 | Supaplex | exactly. |
| 17:40.45 | Supaplex | until someone confirms it, it's an I.T. myth. |
| 17:40.49 | jelly | Supaplex: maybe it's a custom 80pin cable acting as two 40-pin ones :-) |
| 17:40.51 | antum | jelly i've just upgraded. here's the results of that command: http://www.pastebin.ca/665849 |
| 17:40.53 | slapfaceware | you guys should never take UA, they lose your luggage |
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| 17:41.14 | Ronin | slapfaceware: its an airline, they all do that |
| 17:41.15 | jelly | slapfaceware: do you have a debian question? |
| 17:41.42 | slapfaceware | but it's 100% guarantee lost of luggage |
| 17:42.03 | Supaplex | jelly: don't make me hurt you. :P |
| 17:42.04 | antum | jelly... what does that command do... the "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg" |
| 17:42.06 | steve | anyone know whether a 1333FSB core2duo will work on a mainboard that supports up to 1066? |
| 17:42.08 | jelly | antum: well, at least that looks reasonable. did you experience a power loss in the middle of the upgrade? |
| 17:42.38 | jelly | steve: *drool* |
| 17:42.45 | Supaplex | steve: if the cpu runs FSB slower, yes. (possibly by down stepping the bus) |
| 17:42.54 | antum | jelly... I'm not exactly sure what happened... I'm in NZ and the server is in Germany... I got blocked out half way through and the admin had to manually restart it for me.... |
| 17:42.59 | steve | Supaplex: yeah, but will it do that automatically? |
| 17:43.02 | Supaplex | steve: ship me a couple, and I'll mail you the results. ;) |
| 17:43.03 | antum | jelly: is there anything I can do? |
| 17:43.27 | jelly | antum: move that file away and retry dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:43.40 | antum | jelly, thanks I'll give that a go. |
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| 17:43.55 | jelly | antum: same for the other one with the same error |
| 17:44.06 | antum | jelly ok. |
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| 17:44.31 | |messiah| | if I have the permissions -r-xr-sr-x (s here is not the sticky bit right) ? what is -s? |
| 17:44.42 | jelly | antum: ah, ok. If you had a hard-reset, that would cause file corruption. |
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| 17:45.07 | jelly | antum: it's normal for ext3 with default mount options. |
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| 17:45.38 | jelly | |messiah|: info coreutils 'Mode Structure' |
| 17:45.46 | antum | jelly: is there anyway to fix it though? |
| 17:45.52 | jelly | |messiah|: it's the "setgid" bit |
| 17:46.11 | |messiah| | ohh is the same? |
| 17:46.18 | |messiah| | I can put chmod +s |
| 17:46.20 | |messiah| | only |
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| 17:46.39 | solemnwarning | Since I installed etch my machine has ran xscreensaver when I leave it alone |
| 17:46.40 | antum | jelly... that seemed to work :) woohoo... now to try and fix all my mail server errors... |
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| 17:46.56 | antum | jelly, will that work for most problems? move the file and reconfigre? |
| 17:46.57 | solemnwarning | I left it alone for a while just now and my GPU ended up at 80C with the fan going mad |
| 17:47.03 | solemnwarning | How can I disable xscreensaver? |
| 17:47.16 | dvlsleep | yeap |
| 17:47.22 | jetscreamer | use the menu |
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| 17:47.32 | solemnwarning | What menu? |
| 17:47.47 | jelly | antum: no, you have to be smart about it and have an idea what a file does before just removing it. |
| 17:47.54 | jetscreamer | the one under the debian menu under save iirc |
| 17:48.16 | jetscreamer | programs\screen\saving |
| 17:48.26 | jetscreamer | or run xscreensaver --disable or so iirc |
| 17:48.26 | jelly | antum: in this case though, there's no much harm if a couple of alternatives for /usr/bin/editor get unavailable. |
| 17:48.28 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 17:48.41 | solemnwarning | Do I need to disable it every time X starts? |
| 17:48.49 | antum | jelly... i thought as much... damn. Oh well thanks for your help, its certainly got me further than I was before. |
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| 17:49.08 | dkr | if you never want to run it all, just remove the package, :) |
| 17:49.20 | solemnwarning | dkr: Me? |
| 17:49.26 | jelly | antum: dpkg --reconfigure -a is _the_ way to finish a dpkg installation after it broke in the middle, though. |
| 17:49.27 | dkr | ja |
| 17:49.32 | solemnwarning | I can't, KDE depends on it |
| 17:49.39 | jetscreamer | solemnwarning: it remembers for me, all i know |
| 17:49.42 | solemnwarning | Ok, thanks |
| 17:49.45 | dkr | ah |
| 17:49.48 | jetscreamer | dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:49.51 | jetscreamer | not re |
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| 17:49.58 | antum | jelly. awesome.. i've learnt a bunch tonight! |
| 17:50.03 | jelly | yeah, sorry |
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| 17:50.16 | jelly | antum: what jetscreamer wrote. |
| 17:50.22 | kenji | guys Im with that of the processor and python, Im ussing this ps -eo pcpu,pid -o comm= 4493 |grep python but all the time show the same processor use and that can't be |
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| 17:51.04 | zbrown | kenji: try playing with htop |
| 17:51.08 | kenji | worst, ps -eo pcpu,pid -o comm= | sort -k1 -n -r | head -1 show 10.3% of use all the time, so no way to know how many processor python its ussing |
| 17:51.31 | jetscreamer | ok i have an old thinkpad with a savage and 8192 mem on it. not onboard can't increase the size. aiglx says in xorg log that i need 9megs vidram for 3d in 24 bit. how do i force it? |
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| 17:51.58 | jelly | jetscreamer: aiglx on s3 savage? are you nuts? |
| 17:52.34 | jinch | Hi folks, does anybody run Fink on an Apple PowerBook? |
| 17:52.38 | jetscreamer | jelly: glx, aiglx.. it's what got installed by apt-get xorg .. all i know. i want 3d, not compiz or something |
| 17:52.49 | jetscreamer | it says aiglx in the log |
| 17:52.53 | kenji | zbrown top and htop can't help me |
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| 17:53.07 | valdyn | jetscreamer: aiglx is a very special application of 3D, its not 3D |
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| 17:53.34 | jelly | jetscreamer: ah, that's not really relevant. I guess if anyone, the guys in #xorg (or #xorg-devel, but don't tell I sent you) could have a clue. There's also $dri |
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| 17:53.39 | jelly | #dri |
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| 17:53.49 | Judgen_ | ampex : now the squid kinf of works, the redirect thing and transperant thing doesnt work |
| 17:54.00 | jetscreamer | yeh the dri wasn't getting enabled in 24bit |
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| 17:54.07 | jetscreamer | works in 1bit but gah fugly |
| 17:54.12 | jetscreamer | err 16bit |
| 17:54.13 | jelly | jetscreamer: maybe your card only does it in 16bit |
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| 17:54.34 | jetscreamer | if i had one more meg vidram it would :/ |
| 17:54.36 | sherkin | Hi all, |
| 17:54.44 | |messiah| | I have this permissions -r--r-x--t and I need to put -r-xr-sr-x, the +t dosen't work for the s, what I have to put to change the permissions? |
| 17:54.52 | jetscreamer | +s |
| 17:54.55 | jelly | jetscreamer: buy a i915 thinkpad on ebay :-) |
| 17:55.04 | jetscreamer | chmod +s whatever |
| 17:55.08 | sherkin | Maybe someone could help me with a dependency probleminstalling cedet-contrib_1.0pre4-2_all.deb ? |
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| 17:55.22 | jelly | jetscreamer: it can even do compiz stuff reasonably well :-) |
| 17:55.23 | |messiah| | is 451 right? |
| 17:55.28 | sherkin | http://www.pastebin.ca/665864 |
| 17:55.34 | |messiah| | chmod +s 451 file? |
| 17:55.54 | jelly | !wayttd |messiah| |
| 17:55.54 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, |messiah|? |
| 17:56.08 | jetscreamer | there's a directive to tell it to only apply the +s to the user or group or other |
| 17:56.26 | jetscreamer | chmod +us ? |
| 17:56.29 | jetscreamer | something liek that |
| 17:56.29 | |messiah| | I want to put this permissions in a file : -r-xr-sr-x, I have to put chmod +s 451 file and I will get -r-xr-sr-x? |
| 17:56.33 | jelly | |messiah|: why not just use symbolic syntax |
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| 17:56.43 | jetscreamer | it wil be s s s or so |
| 17:56.44 | |messiah| | ok |
| 17:56.48 | jetscreamer | >1 s |
| 17:57.04 | jetscreamer | 451? |
| 17:57.12 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 17:57.25 | jelly | |messiah|: u=rx,g=rsx,o=rx |
| 17:57.32 | jetscreamer | ah there it is |
| 17:57.36 | jelly | Fahrenheit. |
| 17:57.47 | jetscreamer | bradbury |
| 17:57.59 | jelly | burn, baby, burn |
| 17:58.22 | |messiah| | let me see |
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| 17:59.23 | jelly | |messiah|: RTF info coreutils chmod, and info coreutils 'File permissions' |
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| 17:59.40 | zbrown | kenji: I guess I'm not clear on what you're asking for then |
| 18:00.28 | kenji | zbrown, I wan't something simple, I wanna a script that I could run and it return the %CPU ussed by python |
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| 18:00.57 | jelly | kenji: that just sounds simple :-) |
| 18:01.05 | |messiah| | ok jelly thanks!! |
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| 18:01.30 | jetscreamer | they have basemodel laptops for like 399... not that i can afford a laptop just cuz i want one :/ |
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| 18:01.47 | zbrown | kenji: there has to be a python module/lib that does that |
| 18:02.18 | jetscreamer | i'll run console before i spend money! (the svideo sucks too.. but hey i can get 3 monitors working) |
| 18:02.25 | jelly | kenji: ps -eo pcpu,pid -o comm= | awk '/python/{total+=$1} END{print total}' |
| 18:02.31 | zbrown | kenji: if not, write a C program to do it, there's plenty of libs to do that in resources.h |
| 18:02.58 | zbrown | kenji: or what jelly said, I'm no good at awk ;) |
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| 18:03.28 | jelly | me neither, but I know how to get a total :-) |
| 18:03.42 | xjkx | I have this firewall message: Unknown ForwardIN=eth0 OUT=eth1 SRC=200.176.3.142 DST=10.0.0.2 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=0 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=80 DPT=1046 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 ACK SYN URGP=0 |
| 18:03.50 | xjkx | What rule do i have to add to allow this traffic? :> |
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| 18:04.34 | Supaplex | xjkx: depends on which table+chain it was logged on |
| 18:05.00 | Drakeson | I have a working debian installation and want to install debian on another hard-disk (the second hard-disk is currently inside the case, and is seen in /dev). How can I make a minimal debian installation on the second hard disk? |
| 18:05.02 | kenji | jelly that just show 31.5 all the time |
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| 18:05.17 | sherkin | Anybody would help me with cedet ( Collection of Emacs Development Environment Tools ) .deb package? |
| 18:05.19 | jelly | kenji: do you have any reason to believe it's not 31.5 % ? |
| 18:05.23 | kenji | zbrown I was searching for a python module to do this but I don't find nothing |
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| 18:05.28 | kenji | yes jelly |
| 18:05.31 | Supaplex | xjkx: iptables -I $TABLE -i eth0 -o eth1 -s 200.176.3.142 -d 10.0.0.2 -m tcp -p tcp --sport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:05.40 | kenji | because top show differents values each time |
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| 18:06.00 | sherkin | http://www.pastebin.ca/665864 |
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| 18:06.36 | xjkx | Supaplex: i aint using any table, then i just put iptables -A input ? :P |
| 18:06.48 | kenji | let me see jelly ... top say ... 99%, now 79.2% now ... 32% now 61 ... and your script show 31.5 all the time |
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| 18:07.03 | Supaplex | xjkx: iptables is case sensitive |
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| 18:07.11 | ExxKA | Hey Guys, will anyone of you help me test my new ssh settings? |
| 18:07.30 | jelly | kenji: that's funny. Does ps -eo pcpu,pid -o comm= |grep python look always the same? |
| 18:07.47 | jetscreamer | sure give us your root pw and we'll get right on that... |
| 18:07.51 | kenji | yes jelly |
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| 18:08.18 | zbrown | You're never going to get static processor use by a process... if no other processes are using the proc, then its going to use 100% |
| 18:08.24 | kenji | jelly: thats why I drop ps and build this script but its to slow :( http://rafb.net/p/L5PnNs65.html |
| 18:08.28 | ExxKA | jetscreamer, will you help? |
| 18:08.41 | zbrown | kenji: do you know how to write C code? |
| 18:08.46 | kenji | a little |
| 18:08.59 | zbrown | hmmm, well resources.h would be of use to you |
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| 18:09.04 | jetscreamer | no, but i'll help with something else when you need it if i know the answer |
| 18:09.20 | ExxKA | ? |
| 18:09.24 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 18:09.26 | kenji | zbrown how top know the %of cpu ussed by python? |
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| 18:09.47 | ExxKA | seriouly jetscreamer.. pull yourself together.. |
| 18:10.04 | jetscreamer | i can't.... dpkg forbids it |
| 18:10.13 | jetscreamer | !pull |
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| 18:10.26 | zbrown | kenji: pretty sure it calls ps |
| 18:10.45 | kenji | zbrown: then :( what can I do? |
| 18:10.58 | jetscreamer | call it yourself? |
| 18:11.11 | kenji | jetscreamer read all the topic then come back |
| 18:11.14 | zbrown | kenji: lemme hunt around, if you're patient, I might can give you a C prog that could help |
| 18:11.20 | jetscreamer | there is no /topic |
| 18:11.25 | kenji | zbronw :D tnks |
| 18:11.38 | kenji | cat etscreamer > /dev/null |
| 18:11.51 | Supaplex | shred -u jetscreamer |
| 18:11.57 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 18:11.58 | jetscreamer | i was thinking more along the lines of examining the source of top |
| 18:12.01 | jetscreamer | but ok |
| 18:12.12 | jelly | kenji: I suggest using top in batch mode instead of ps |
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| 18:13.12 | et | are there librsvg bindings for python in testing? |
| 18:13.23 | kenji | jelly: Im ussing top in batch mode http://rafb.net/p/L5PnNs65.html |
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| 18:15.06 | jetscreamer | !find librsvg2 lenny |
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| 18:15.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'librsvg2' (1): (/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loader-files.d/librsvg2-common.loaders) in libs/librsvg2-common. |
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| 18:15.31 | fsdsa | hi, when ireload the networking in etc/init.d i lose my eth0 |
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| 18:16.28 | fsdsa | someone got an idea? |
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| 18:16.33 | Supaplex | !idea |
| 18:16.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, idea is meaning you don't know. |
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| 18:16.42 | jetscreamer | ifup eth0 ? |
| 18:16.42 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 18:16.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen rabid hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 18:16.42 | fsdsa | i really do not know XD lol |
| 18:16.51 | fsdsa | yeah when i ifup eht0 the eth0 appear back |
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| 18:16.57 | fsdsa | but i cannot ping any domaine name alnyore |
| 18:17.06 | fsdsa | it said unknown host.. |
| 18:17.16 | Supaplex | fsdsa: routing? dhcp? /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 18:17.21 | jetscreamer | iptables -L -n |
| 18:17.35 | zack242 | I want the same packages installed from one server to another. So from the original server I did dpkg --get-selections > debian-packages.txt . How do I load the package list on the new server? |
| 18:17.44 | Supaplex | fsdsa: man 5 interfaces ? |
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| 18:18.12 | jetscreamer | --set-selections <blah.txt zack242 |
| 18:18.20 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 18:18.20 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 18:18.25 | zack242 | jetscreamer: thank you. will this remove packages not on the list? |
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| 18:18.41 | jetscreamer | iirc yes it does but i forget |
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| 18:19.05 | zack242 | jetscreamer: thanks! |
| 18:19.13 | asanchez1987 | hello, i'm new to linux and I downloaded the first debian iso cd for i386, so i installed the first cd but when it asked me to download the other packages I couldn't because it was impossible to connect to internet, maybe it's because my wireless connection? So what have i to do? download the other amount of cd's? or there is another way to install the rest of the packages? thank you. I don't have desktop either, just consol |
| 18:19.15 | jetscreamer | there is also --clear-avail but i'm not real up on it |
| 18:19.17 | Supaplex | zack242: I would expect as much. do get selections on the dest box into a different file, and use diff to compare existing+proposed |
| 18:19.36 | zbrown | kenji: you're making me remember my C ;) |
| 18:19.39 | Supaplex | !tell asanchez1987 -about sources.list |
| 18:19.50 | abrotman | asanchez1987: what kind of wifi is it ? |
| 18:19.50 | Supaplex | asanchez1987: that + setup wireless is all. |
| 18:19.52 | snowbird | plug in cable after install then u can go wireless |
| 18:20.10 | jetscreamer | i think avail just makes it forget what's available, not installed, but i forget like i said |
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| 18:20.47 | asanchez1987 | Supaplex okay, thank you |
| 18:20.51 | asanchez1987 | i'll try |
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| 18:21.39 | Supaplex | asanchez1987: if you don't have networking access at all, get that working before you meddle with sources.list |
| 18:21.45 | jetscreamer | heh... s/stoned/nyled/ ... are you nyled? |
| 18:21.46 | snowbird | asanchez1987: xcan u go wired till its installed? |
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| 18:21.53 | abrotman | !tell snowbird about u |
| 18:22.05 | danilom | please help with a zoneminder installation i can see the camera throught xawtv but not using the zonemiender |
| 18:22.13 | snowbird | ok |
| 18:22.31 | jetscreamer | !tell abrotman -about not repetitively repeating keystrokes for 6 months out of your life |
| 18:22.33 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 18:22.40 | abrotman | !tell jetscreamer about moron |
| 18:22.51 | drwahl | i am atempting to install bcm43xx-fwcutter, but after 'apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter' it tries to download something (i assume the driver) and gets a 404 error. does anyone have information about this, or a fix? |
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| 18:23.37 | snowbird | you can go wired wright |
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| 18:26.04 | zack242 | this doesnt' seem to work. command prompt returns nothing: dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
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| 18:26.21 | asanchez1987 | Supaplex and how do i do to setup my wireless connection before doing the sources.list thing |
| 18:26.21 | zbrown | kenji: actually the idea I had isn't going to work |
| 18:26.22 | asanchez1987 | |
| 18:26.47 | asanchez1987 | it says: temporal failure resolving security.debian.org |
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| 18:27.00 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 18:27.09 | jetscreamer | temporary.... not the time warp :) |
| 18:27.19 | jetscreamer | lets do the time warp again! |
| 18:27.28 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 18:27.40 | asanchez1987 | it's said in spanish |
| 18:27.46 | asanchez1987 | so i try to translate to english |
| 18:27.48 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:27.50 | asanchez1987 | not very well, but i try |
| 18:28.03 | zack242 | jetscreamer: it should be apt-get -u dselect-upgrade |
| 18:28.05 | jetscreamer | you can also ask at the same time in #debian-es |
| 18:28.20 | jetscreamer | you do a lot better than me |
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| 18:28.24 | jetscreamer | my spanish sucks |
| 18:28.37 | kenji | zbrown why is not going to work? |
| 18:28.42 | asanchez1987 | aha, did not know about that channel |
| 18:28.44 | asanchez1987 | thank you |
| 18:28.46 | jetscreamer | np |
| 18:29.02 | drwahl | i am atempting to install bcm43xx-fwcutter, but after 'apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter' it tries to download something (i assume the driver) and gets a 404 error. does anyone have information about this, or a fix? |
| 18:29.08 | jrwr | Ive got a FX5200 and the latest Nvidia drivers (built them today) im on Etch :) Anyway im Stuck in 640x480! and cannot get out of it... here is my xorg.0.log http://pastebin.ca/665910 and my xorg.conf |
| 18:29.32 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 18:29.32 | dpkg | from memory, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 18:29.56 | xjkx | I am using samba on linux, but i cant see the machine on "networks" of my win98, what do i have to configure there? |
| 18:30.08 | zbrown | kenji: I was thinking of doing it a different way but it wouldn't tell you what you needed |
| 18:30.52 | jrwr | http://pastebin.ca/665916 < - my xorg.conf |
| 18:30.58 | jetscreamer | jrwr: you missed |
| 18:31.03 | jrwr | ? |
| 18:31.11 | jetscreamer | the log is short |
| 18:31.20 | jrwr | you want it all ok |
| 18:32.01 | kenji | zbrown I trying another ways with top but its to slow, and ps report the same value all the time |
| 18:32.11 | jrwr | jetscreamer: http://pastebin.ca/665926 |
| 18:32.14 | jetscreamer | comment out the modeline and the v&h refresh rates in the monitor section, or change the values to what you get when you run hwinfo --monitor |
| 18:32.22 | jelly | kenji: 1 second is too slow? |
| 18:32.26 | jetscreamer | did you actually m-a a-i nvidia ? |
| 18:32.34 | jrwr | ? |
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| 18:32.52 | kenji | no jelly 10 seconds is too slow and zabbix lose the value |
| 18:33.46 | jrwr | jetscreamer: i tried std xorg.conf that the nvidia installer did, (without the mode lines and such) |
| 18:33.49 | et | jetscreamer: those aren't the python bindings |
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| 18:34.02 | jrwr | and im still in 640x480 |
| 18:34.09 | jelly | kenji: man top |
| 18:34.23 | jetscreamer | did you actually m-a a-i nvidia ? |
| 18:34.29 | jetscreamer | did you build nvidia |
| 18:34.38 | jrwr | yes |
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| 18:34.53 | jetscreamer | did you apt-get install nvidia-glx ? |
| 18:34.55 | jrwr | no |
| 18:34.56 | kenji | jelly: man zabbix |
| 18:35.00 | jetscreamer | try that |
| 18:35.02 | jrwr | ok |
| 18:35.22 | jetscreamer | i have a 5200 also |
| 18:35.25 | jrwr | its already installed |
| 18:35.45 | jelly | kenji: I meant, you can get top to return in 1 second. |
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| 18:36.27 | jetscreamer | jrwr comment out what i said and the display lines ... |
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| 18:36.45 | jetscreamer | # Modes "1152x768" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480" |
| 18:36.45 | kenji | yes jelly but some times I have 4 or 5 python process, I need to add all of them to get the real CPU% |
| 18:36.50 | kenji | and this is to slow |
| 18:36.55 | jrwr | ok ill try |
| 18:36.55 | jetscreamer | let it autodetect |
| 18:36.57 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:36.59 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 18:37.01 | jrwr | yes |
| 18:37.18 | jetscreamer | run hwinfo --monitor and use those h&v rates in xorg.conf |
| 18:37.28 | jrwr | those are always wrong |
| 18:37.42 | jrwr | this mointer is a fixed... |
| 18:37.47 | jetscreamer | your onitor will do 1280x1024 won't it... mine does too but it never gets detected as capable of > 1152 |
| 18:37.47 | fsdsa | why when i do etc/init.d/networking restart, the eth0 and my eth1 isnt changing as i set in the network configuration /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:38.45 | jetscreamer | jrwr: so you tried hwinfo --monitor and it is wrong? or the ones in xorg are. comment them out anyway |
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| 18:39.02 | jetscreamer | or use the ones from hwinfo.. works well for me either way |
| 18:39.08 | abrotman | fsdsa: can you paste your interfaces file for us ? |
| 18:39.17 | jelly | kenji: well, it works for me. top -bn1d1|awk '/httpd/{print $10; total+=$10}END{printf "%-3.1f\n", total}' |
| 18:39.45 | jelly | kenji: replace httpd with whatever you be hunting for |
| 18:39.45 | kenji | let me try jelly |
| 18:39.47 | jetscreamer | gtg |
| 18:39.50 | jrwr | jetscreamer: hwinfo did not return anything |
| 18:40.18 | jetscreamer | jrwr: as root? |
| 18:40.21 | jrwr | yes |
| 18:40.32 | jrwr | it outputted nothing to stdout |
| 18:40.32 | kenji | jelly it show 9 values (for python) |
| 18:40.33 | Budweiser | any one have ntfs-3g??? |
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| 18:40.39 | jetscreamer | it can be funny sometimes... later versions seem to work better |
| 18:40.49 | Budweiser | any one have ntfs-3g working in debian etch 4.0 ???? |
| 18:40.49 | kenji | jelly: can you run 5 times the same instruction to see if is not reporting the same value all the time? |
| 18:40.52 | jetscreamer | jrwr: comment all that out then |
| 18:40.52 | jrwr | apt-get install hwingo :) |
| 18:40.57 | jrwr | ok ill try |
| 18:40.59 | fsdsa | abrotman: actually when ir eboot the server it work but not realoading |
| 18:40.59 | kenji | jelly: because in my case its showing the same all the time :S |
| 18:41.05 | Budweiser | any one have ntfs-3g working in debian etch 4.0 ???? |
| 18:41.05 | fsdsa | abrotman: i will send you the interface file sec |
| 18:41.05 | jelly | kenji: well, it wouldn't be sporting if I gave you the complete recipe! |
| 18:41.10 | jrwr | bet ya ten bucks its going to use 640x480 |
| 18:41.13 | jetscreamer | add the DPMS one |
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| 18:41.24 | jetscreamer | if it's not there |
| 18:41.26 | kenji | ammm jelly what? |
| 18:41.27 | kenji | xD |
| 18:41.48 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.52 | Budweiser | any one have ntfs-3g working in debian etch 4.0 ???? |
| 18:42.00 | jetscreamer | works in lenny |
| 18:42.15 | jrwr | jetscreamer: brb |
| 18:42.17 | jelly | ntfs-3g in etch is a bit old |
| 18:42.20 | jetscreamer | #/dev/hda1 /mnt ntfs-3g noauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 18:42.32 | kenji | that what are you giving to me I can do it with ps and with top, my problem is that in the case of ps it show all the time the same values, and in the case of top its to slow :S |
| 18:42.49 | Budweiser | i cant install ntfs... |
| 18:42.58 | Budweiser | ... |
| 18:43.04 | Budweiser | for me source list.. |
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| 18:43.12 | jelly | kenji: so, you're telling that that line always have the same result for you? |
| 18:43.20 | jrwr | jetscreamer: great, now im in a lower res... |
| 18:43.40 | Budweiser | any one have the source lsit? for install ntfs-3g?? |
| 18:43.49 | kenji | yes jelly :S |
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| 18:44.32 | Budweiser | any one have the source lsit? for install ntfs-3g?? |
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| 18:44.46 | jetscreamer | jrwr: i can help you fix it. but i have to go. google jus tthe monitor's model # . only the # gives me better results looking for v&h rates. i'll help you later if you still need it |
| 18:44.59 | mesof | when i shutdown i get this error, check upsmon.conf can anyone help here? |
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| 18:46.09 | Shadda | Hey, can anyone gimme a quick way to route an ip (10.10.1.4) to localhost? |
| 18:46.14 | kenji | jelly: look at this http://rafb.net/p/RZLJIa87.html its the output of top and your ps instruction |
| 18:46.15 | eth01 | how can i set quotas for 'add user' ? |
| 18:46.38 | Budweiser | any one have the source lsit? for install ntfs-3g?? |
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| 18:46.58 | kenji | jelly: as you can see top report diferents values for the %CPU each time |
| 18:47.07 | jelly | hm. |
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| 18:47.59 | jelly | !tell Budweiser about repeat |
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| 18:48.49 | vlt | Hello. How can I trigger a USB cable disconnect without actually unplugging it? |
| 18:49.03 | eth01 | how can i set quotas for 'add user' ? |
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| 18:49.51 | kenji | jelly any way tnks for your help :D |
| 18:49.59 | Budweiser | -.- |
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| 18:50.54 | jelly | kenji: I'm an idiot. use $9 instead of $10 in awk. |
| 18:51.14 | kenji | jelly xD |
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| 18:51.40 | jelly | kenji: you COULD have figured it out yourself, ya know :-) |
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| 18:52.03 | kenji | jelly: how can I be ussing the 139% of cpu? xD |
| 18:52.18 | jelly | kenji: you have more than one cpu. |
| 18:52.35 | kenji | jelly: but top don't go up than 90% or 98% |
| 18:53.22 | kenji | jelly: how can I have the 180% of processor used by python if top show only the 24% of total use |
| 18:53.42 | jelly | kenji: but the combined PU column total does. It can go to N * 100%, where N is the number or cores |
| 18:53.46 | jelly | PU |
| 18:53.50 | jelly | %CPU |
| 18:54.13 | karsten | kenji: I've sen that happen, I'm not entirely sure why, may be multicounting of threads. What kernel version and what version of procps? |
| 18:54.14 | kenji | ok jelly tnks :D |
| 18:54.17 | Supaplex | kenji: we call it super clocking ;) - but jelly is right. it's 100% per cpu/core |
| 18:54.18 | asg | kenji: in top, hit '1' to see all processors independently. |
| 18:54.44 | kenji | :O tnks |
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| 18:55.13 | jelly | kenji: now find out what to throw out of that awk line to get just the final number |
| 18:55.15 | gnudo | i have been googling for quite a while now but could not find any FREE web based email service that gives you POP and IMAP! |
| 18:55.17 | kenji | well guys now I need to add all the values, Im going to try and if I can I will tell you |
| 18:55.21 | karsten | jelly: I'm not entirely sure that's the way it should be. My cumulative tots show 99% for all CPUs (RHEL, only SMP boxen I've got available). |
| 18:55.29 | kenji | jelly can I add all the values with awk? |
| 18:55.50 | karsten | jelly: ... that's either expanded or collapsed. |
| 18:55.54 | karsten | kenji: Sure. |
| 18:55.58 | kenji | :O |
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| 18:56.11 | jelly | kenji: change the /python/ part to something that matches all the lines, or remove it altogether |
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| 18:56.46 | EmeraldCat | Hello. Does KDE on average consume less memory than GNOME? |
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| 18:57.07 | kenji | karsten and jelly: mmm I talking about add all the values in the list (.3+.1+4.4+2.2+32.1) |
| 18:57.10 | zack242 | I want to build a custom mysql .deb for our servers. How can I get the debian config file used for debian's default mysql so I can use that to start off with? |
| 18:57.16 | jelly | karsten: I think new-ish top has two output modes, one that totals to ncores * 100%, and one that goes to 100. |
| 18:57.53 | jelly | karsten: one of them's "irix" style, whatever that means |
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| 18:58.05 | psychobot | which audio player can process a cashing of music while listening from external USB device? |
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| 18:58.14 | jelly | kenji: dude, the last line _IS_ the total. |
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| 18:58.57 | kenji | jelly: 4+.3+2.2+2.1=31? xD |
| 18:59.13 | zack242 | essentially, how do I obtain a package's control file? |
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| 18:59.35 | jelly | kenji: it's a really short awk program to just display the lines: awk '/python/ {print $9}' |
| 18:59.43 | sperfection83 | hi all |
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| 19:01.02 | eth01 | how do you assign quotas to users? |
| 19:01.48 | kenji | jelly so the last value its the add of all python process CPU% of use? |
| 19:01.57 | jelly | kenji: yes. |
| 19:02.40 | jelly | kenji: now go and find an awk tutorial. |
| 19:02.46 | kenji | and how can I know only the last value? Im thinking on tail -n=1 | top -bn1d1 |awk .... |
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| 19:03.19 | jelly | kenji: you need to remove something from the awk program. I won't tell you what. :-D |
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| 19:03.29 | kenji | :D oks jelly |
| 19:03.55 | kenji | jelly is this right? xD top -bn1d1|awk '/python/{ total+=$9}END{printf "%-3.1f\n", total}' |
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| 19:04.05 | jelly | kenji: dunno |
| 19:04.07 | kenji | it showed 14.7, 3.8 |
| 19:04.18 | kenji | whats dunno? |
| 19:04.27 | jelly | "I don't know." |
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| 19:04.38 | kenji | well if I just see a number I don't know if thats the right value xD |
| 19:04.45 | jelly | sucks to be you |
| 19:04.50 | mesof | uh i have a disk shutdown error |
| 19:04.54 | mesof | upsmon.conf |
| 19:05.04 | pheeror | Hi, how can I say aptitude to let some conflict unresolved when update/upgrade/install any new package. I used dpkg to force install - I really know what I did - why that conflict is here and consequences of this force install. |
| 19:05.42 | jelly | kenji: that's why there's a nice debug feature. if you add a print $9 command to the first { }, you can see all the numbers! |
| 19:05.42 | mesof | does anyone know how to correct this? |
| 19:06.37 | kenji | jelly: but I deleted the print $10; :S |
| 19:06.42 | kenji | not the print $9 |
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| 19:07.12 | jelly | kenji: hint: $9 means "the 9th word in the input line" |
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| 19:08.14 | jelly | kenji: so, if you have a line like this: "13133 apache 17 0 103m 9752 5080 S 12.0 0.5 0:00.03 httpd" ... count the words... 9th word is "12.0" |
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| 19:08.44 | Budweiser | i cant install ati driver in debian ethc!.. |
| 19:08.46 | Budweiser | any one know? |
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| 19:09.19 | jelly | kenji: which happens to stand for the percentage of CPU time used for that process, in the top output |
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| 19:09.53 | jelly | kenji: you should have changed all the $10 to $9 ... it would make sense |
| 19:09.54 | balor | Anyone have a debian ISO using EFI on x86 or x86_64? |
| 19:10.41 | abrotman | !fgrlx one liner |
| 19:10.42 | ts86 | I'm coming back to Linux after quite a while. I've just purchased this remote box that has installed Debian Etch. All I want to do is install some software like djbdns,qmail,etc. from source but the compiles fail as it's obviously missing certain packages for the compile and install. I've apt-get'd make gcc libc6 libc6-dev g++. What else do I need? I don't know how to search for the clues either. Any help please |
| 19:10.46 | abrotman | !fgrlx one-liner |
| 19:10.51 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 19:10.51 | dpkg | fglrx one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 19:11.05 | jelly | kenji: for any extra help on awk, consult #bash |
| 19:11.21 | kenji | tnks jelly :D |
| 19:11.30 | kenji | jelly: you are helpfull :D |
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| 19:11.53 | Judgen_ | hmm my prerouting -j redirect rule doesnt kick in after upgrade :/ |
| 19:12.37 | Judgen_ | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth2 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 3128 |
| 19:13.00 | zack242 | how do I obtain a package's control file? For example mysql's? |
| 19:13.12 | mesof | abrotman: LMAO! |
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| 19:14.22 | mesof | abrotman: can you help me with this warning message |
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| 19:14.32 | mesof | abrotman: you didn't really hurt yourself did you? |
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| 19:14.45 | Judgen_ | it stopped working after kernel-image-2.6-686 1:2.6.18+6etch1 |
| 19:14.47 | spx2 | how can i find out who is using a certain device ? |
| 19:15.08 | spx2 | how can i find out who is using a certain device ? |
| 19:15.15 | Hammar | i get an "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?" even though no process is accessing it. what shall i do? |
| 19:15.16 | jbm | lsof |
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| 19:15.20 | spx2 | jbm: :) |
| 19:15.26 | mesof | GAH! |
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| 19:15.47 | jbm | lsof | grep dev should do it |
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| 19:17.35 | jelly | Judgen_: is ipt_redirect (or whatever the module is called) loaded? Did you reboot after upgrading the kernel? |
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| 19:17.50 | sobersabre | hi all. |
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| 19:18.09 | abrotman | wtf did he go ? |
| 19:18.18 | sobersabre | I have a wierd behaviour of server. it's something network connectivity related, but I need external perspective on the problem |
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| 19:18.28 | jelly | Hammar: are you running the command in question as root? |
| 19:18.35 | Hammar | jelly: i do |
| 19:18.37 | sobersabre | a server is connected to an "enterasys" switch. |
| 19:18.48 | maux | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.48 | jelly | Hammar: there goes the easy answer. |
| 19:18.59 | sobersabre | these switches can block on app. level and up. per port. |
| 19:19.12 | sobersabre | I've set up apache to run over https |
| 19:19.14 | jelly | Hammar: ps -fe | egrep 'dpkg|apt' ? |
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| 19:19.19 | sobersabre | all the certificate related stuff works. |
| 19:19.24 | sobersabre | (with other daemon) |
| 19:19.36 | sobersabre | the apache responds on localhost. |
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| 19:20.03 | sobersabre | if I attempt to connect from the client, sniffer on both server and client sees the messages pass from client to server. |
| 19:20.21 | sobersabre | then the server sends responses, but here the client's sniffer doesn |
| 19:20.22 | sobersabre | t |
| 19:20.26 | Hammar | jelly: returns nothing (excluding grep itself) |
| 19:20.28 | sobersabre | see any packets. |
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| 19:20.44 | sobersabre | but the server's sniffer sees the packets sent to client. |
| 19:20.49 | sobersabre | I suspect it's the switch. |
| 19:20.55 | sobersabre | any other hints ?! |
| 19:21.01 | jelly | Hammar: meh. rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock, I guess |
| 19:21.02 | cmdln | Does anyone have windows xp pro ntp clients working using the builtin windows time sync? |
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| 19:21.15 | cmdln | My linux clients seem to sync off my ntp server without issue |
| 19:21.19 | Hammar | jelly: tried that already...will do so again... |
| 19:21.32 | sobersabre | cmdln: you can install ntp server compatible with windows. |
| 19:21.38 | sobersabre | I think it's the one on port 123 |
| 19:21.38 | cmdln | But the windows xp clients seem to error out |
| 19:21.48 | sobersabre | what are the errors ? |
| 19:22.03 | abrotman | cmdln: did you allow udp and tcp ? |
| 19:22.06 | twiggz | if i use 'ntpdate time.windows.com' i get errors from it. |
| 19:22.07 | Hammar | same error :/ |
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| 19:22.28 | jelly | Hammar: did rm work? :-) |
| 19:22.39 | cmdln | "an error occured while windows was synchronizing with 192.168.1.2" |
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| 19:22.54 | Hammar | jelly: /var/lib/dpkg/lock is gone, yes |
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| 19:23.07 | cmdln | is the builtin windows client not standard? |
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| 19:23.35 | Supaplex | cmdln: what program? |
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| 19:23.51 | Supaplex | cmdln: oh ntp. |
| 19:23.53 | maux | http://paste.debian.net/35125 popularity-contest problems |
| 19:23.57 | jelly | Hammar: I'm out of ideas, then. the filesystem is rw, right? |
| 19:23.58 | abrotman | cmdln: did oyu allow udp and tcp ? |
| 19:24.00 | zmainframe | I'm running debian sid, how can I force the order of modules to autoload using the 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 19:24.25 | abrotman | zmainframe: in the modules options file :) |
| 19:24.29 | Hammar | jelly: it is (thanks so far) |
| 19:24.34 | jelly | Hammar: you could strace the command to see what happens |
| 19:24.36 | cmdln | abrotman: where can I tell that? |
| 19:24.43 | Judgen_ | jelly: ip_nat 16876 2 ipt_REDIRECT,iptable_nat |
| 19:24.52 | abrotman | cmdln: your firewall |
| 19:24.56 | zmainframe | abrotman: Is that in modprobe.d? |
| 19:25.01 | cmdln | no firewall between the machines |
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| 19:25.07 | abrotman | zmainframe: preinst <module you don't like> modprobe <module you want> |
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| 19:27.18 | pheeror | Hi, how can I say aptitude to let some conflict unresolved when update/upgrade/install any new package. I used dpkg to force install - I really know what I did - why that conflict is here and consequences of this force install. |
| 19:27.23 | zmainframe | abrotman: Mind if we chat on the side? |
| 19:27.24 | Judgen_ | jelly: anything else to check |
| 19:27.58 | Judgen_ | jelly: if i bypass the redirect and connect directly to port 8080 everything runs nice |
| 19:28.41 | sobersabre | twiggz: are you trying to use NTP with windows client or windows NTP server from linux client ? |
| 19:29.32 | jelly | Judgen_: you meant, to 3128? |
| 19:29.33 | Hammar | jelly: found the solution. i am just too much of a linux newbie to get my bash operators right, so that i tried running to apt-get processes synchronously instead of sequentially |
| 19:29.36 | twiggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.50 | twiggz | same from my freebsd machine too. |
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| 19:30.00 | Hammar | which should pretty much constitute the embarrassment of the day :P |
| 19:30.04 | cmdln | I dont know about twiggz but I have an ntp server running on a linux box, I have linux clients that can sync off of it ... but I get a generic error when I try to have a windows ox sync off of it |
| 19:30.20 | jelly | Hammar: & instead of && ... I can see that happening. |
| 19:30.22 | abrotman | zmainframe: rather you keep it here .. i'm working on about five things at once .. and might miss something you say |
| 19:30.25 | yigal | i am interested in getting an amd turion amd64bit laptop. Is this kind of cpu well supported for flash and other bits, or more work still needed to be done? I have read http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 19:30.39 | jelly | Hammar: "It was a typo!" |
| 19:30.50 | Hammar | jelly: Of course it was! |
| 19:30.54 | Hammar | *cough* |
| 19:31.12 | Judgen_ | jelly : i use dansguardian so it's 8080 |
| 19:31.31 | jelly | Judgen_: errr... your redirect is to 3128 :-) |
| 19:32.02 | Judgen_ | jelly : if i'd missed that i gonna shot my self :) |
| 19:32.05 | Gm4n | Supaplex: around? |
| 19:32.08 | Judgen_ | let see |
| 19:32.28 | zmainframe | abrotman: np. I think I narrowed my problem down. I think i82875p_edac is being loaded before intel_agp |
| 19:32.40 | abrotman | this breaks it ? |
| 19:32.43 | zmainframe | I am looking for a way to insure that intel_agp loads first |
| 19:32.45 | zmainframe | it does |
| 19:32.58 | zmainframe | it won't create /dev/agpgart |
| 19:33.16 | pheeror | Hi, how can I say aptitude to let some conflict unresolved when update/upgrade/install any new package. I used dpkg to force install - I really know what I did - why that conflict is here and consequences of this force install. |
| 19:33.22 | abrotman | man 5 modprobe.conf |
| 19:33.26 | zmainframe | I think I need to modify the /etc/modprobe.d/agpgart |
| 19:33.33 | zmainframe | oh oK, I'll try that |
| 19:33.35 | Supaplex | Gm4n: I'm skinny. I'm not 'around' ;) |
| 19:33.51 | jelly | zmainframe: if you don't care about the edac module, you can just blacklist it |
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| 19:34.09 | zmainframe | jelly: Tried to blacklist, keeps popping up after reboot |
| 19:34.11 | Gm4n | fair point =) |
| 19:34.26 | Gm4n | I have a question for you that doesn't involve debian. may I PM? |
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| 19:34.28 | jelly | zmainframe: have you updated your initramfs after blacklisting? |
| 19:34.49 | zmainframe | ahhh, perhaps not |
| 19:34.53 | jelly | zmainframe: Debian has udev and dynamically loads modules in initramfs ... |
| 19:34.56 | Supaplex | Gm4n: ask in #daxal instead (my ident is b0ke until I fix something) |
| 19:35.00 | zmainframe | This is the first time I'm using the debian stock kernel |
| 19:35.08 | jelly | zmainframe: makes module handling painful |
| 19:35.14 | zmainframe | usually, I custom compile, but recenlty I'm getting lazy |
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| 19:35.48 | mesof | when i shutdown i get an error of upsmon.conf, does anyone know anything about this? |
| 19:36.16 | jelly | zmainframe: to be honest, I'm not sure that update-initramfs takes the blacklist file into account, but I sure hope so :-) |
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| 19:37.22 | Judgen_ | jelly: hmm i found it know, do i need a INPUT rule before the prerouting |
| 19:37.52 | yigal | so no 1 uses amd64 for personal pleasure or work? |
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| 19:38.11 | socialist | can a Package stanza in a debian control file override the Version in the Source stanza so that individual packages might have different version numbers than the source? |
| 19:38.36 | zmainframe | jelly: True, I'll see if I can delete the current versions can create new ones for all my kernels. |
| 19:38.52 | socialist | i.e generate pkg1-0.1.deb and pkg2-0.2.deb from source-tarball-1.1.deb? |
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| 19:39.35 | yigal | socialist: i think if it builds a deb i guess so, but i think there are checks in place to stop this from happening, I think? |
| 19:39.47 | yigal | socialist: interesting question |
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| 19:40.38 | PrinceAMD | hi guys |
| 19:40.47 | PrinceAMD | how do i list what is in my COM2 port |
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| 19:40.52 | socialist | yeah, I have a case where I need to generate several individual packages from one source tree, but the components actually have different version numbers |
| 19:41.13 | PrinceAMD | i installed a old sis900 nic card on my mainboard COM2 port |
| 19:41.22 | PrinceAMD | how do i find it in linux |
| 19:41.54 | socialist | I can split them all up with their own control files, but I'd rather run the whole thing out of one build directory since they're all using the same source anyway |
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| 19:43.10 | jelly | Judgen_: you mean you need to allow the traffic to come in? |
| 19:43.29 | pheeror | Hi, how can I say aptitude to let some conflict unresolved when update/upgrade/install any new package. I used dpkg to force install - I really know what I did - why that conflict is here and consequences of this force install. |
| 19:43.33 | yigal | socialist: so do you make a meta package that installs all of the other little packages that are the sources split? |
| 19:44.17 | streuner | pheeror: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 19:44.42 | socialist | yigal: I don't have one yet, but I intend to yes |
| 19:44.43 | pheeror | streuner: thanks |
| 19:44.53 | jelly | Judgen_: when I used it, I had this: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d $MY_IP --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8100 ... and then iptables -A input -p tcp --dport 8100 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 19:44.58 | pheeror | hmm text not found: force |
| 19:45.01 | yigal | pheeror: it should give you the option to let things be unresolved, if aptitude deams the unresolved package state won't possibly break your system |
| 19:45.19 | loo23 | Hi, |
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| 19:45.39 | jelly | Judgen_: I also have a comment: # PREROUTING happens before INPUT, therefore the INPUT rule needs to allow the translated packet, not the original one. |
| 19:46.19 | yigal | socialist: how long of a build do you expect it to be? you may as well test it and see if it works :) - or are you just planning right now? |
| 19:46.30 | socialist | that's what I'm doing |
| 19:46.31 | loo23 | just got my sd memory card formated can i unformat it, I can see it as /dev/sda but can't mount it. |
| 19:46.40 | socialist | it's all binary already, so it's quick |
| 19:46.43 | pheeror | yigal: when I want to install (aptitude install somethingelse) something new to system, I can't continue in installation without accepting remove of that package |
| 19:46.58 | streuner | pheeror: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 19:47.04 | yigal | loo23: yes use what ever partioning software you like, fdisk, cfdisk, gparted etc. |
| 19:47.10 | Judgen_ | jelly: no i got the picture i hade the input rule # but i think that before the upgrade i'd missed to reload the iptables, so the # wasnt active, that confused me |
| 19:47.11 | jelly | socialist: I could swear old versions of php4 did that, but can't find any of those builds now. |
| 19:47.19 | Judgen_ | jelly: thnks so mutch for your help! |
| 19:47.26 | pheeror | streuner: ? |
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| 19:47.33 | jelly | Judgen_: np, you solved it yourself after all ;-) |
| 19:47.35 | socialist | jelly: I think you're right |
| 19:47.51 | socialist | jelly: I was trying to remember a package that did this, I swear I've seen it before |
| 19:47.53 | pheeror | streuner: i don't have anyproblem with libc6 |
| 19:48.12 | pheeror | streuner: it's problem with php4 and php5 |
| 19:48.13 | streuner | pheeror: well, thats NOT the question, just answer that |
| 19:48.14 | zicho | if i compile something, after i have done "make install", how can i check what it has installed? |
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| 19:48.27 | yigal | i am interested in getting an amd turion amd64bit laptop. Is this kind of cpu well supported for flash and other bits, or more work still needed to be done? I have read http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 19:48.33 | loo23 | yigal: how do i know what partition was it, wont i loos my pic's |
| 19:48.39 | pheeror | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:48.50 | pheeror | streuner: wow, what a suprise! |
| 19:48.58 | yigal | loo23: it appears from your description that you want to repartition /dev/sda |
| 19:49.07 | \amethyst | zicho: normally you can't, other than reading the makefile or doing a find for recent files |
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| 19:49.21 | socialist | well dpkg-buildpackage doesn't complain about the control file, so I guess it works |
| 19:49.28 | nikosapi_ | What is the proper method for creating a device node automatically on boot? |
| 19:49.38 | yigal | socialist: awesome :) i will have to remember this |
| 19:49.49 | socialist | I'll let you know once they actually bulid |
| 19:49.56 | yigal | socialist: :) |
| 19:49.57 | streuner | pheeror: php5 is in etch/stable, so what packages do you want install? show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
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| 19:50.17 | \amethyst | zicho: you can use the program "checkinstall" to put the stuff into a debian package, though: checkinstall -D make install |
| 19:50.27 | \amethyst | zicho: in the package of the same name |
| 19:50.35 | \amethyst | nikosapi_: for what device? |
| 19:50.57 | pheeror | streuner: I want both libapache2-mod php4 and libapache2-mod php5 installed in my system. |
| 19:50.58 | yigal | \amethyst: actually checkinstall makes a deb by default. |
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| 19:51.13 | zicho | \amethyst: will look it up. ty. |
| 19:51.16 | streuner | pheeror: why? |
| 19:51.18 | pheeror | streuner: so I have had to install php5 with force |
| 19:51.19 | jelly | yigal: you can run an i386 installation on the 64-bit capable Turion too. |
| 19:51.19 | ketsa | hi all. anztime i try to launch something under wine it crashes gdm or X and gets me back to login prompt any ideas ? |
| 19:51.20 | loo23 | yigal, yep but how can I see what was the original partition can i do tests on a dd or dd_rescue copy? |
| 19:51.24 | pheeror | streuner: i'm not stupid guy, guy |
| 19:51.40 | nikosapi_ | \amethyst: it's a hard disk (I have to create the device node because I'm sharing it from openvz) |
| 19:51.48 | pheeror | streuner: because i'm gonna run one application that requires php4 and other one that requires php5 |
| 19:51.54 | yigal | loo23: you should be able to. what happens when you open it up with a partitioner? |
| 19:52.10 | yigal | loo23: i mean what information does it have for your device? |
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| 19:52.58 | yigal | jelly: its not exactly what I want. I would like to have hardware that is fully supported with native programs and I can wait until this happens - maybe a year. |
| 19:53.10 | Drakeson | is is straight forward to install debian on a new hard-disk from another one, or I should just use a installer dvd? |
| 19:53.29 | loo23 | yigal, FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive from cfdisk |
| 19:53.29 | pheeror | streuner: thanks for your help anyway |
| 19:53.39 | yigal | Drakeson: pretty straight forward |
| 19:53.46 | jelly | yigal: um, i386 is native too :-) but I see what you mean |
| 19:53.55 | yigal | loo23: sounds bad |
| 19:53.57 | streuner | pheeror: you might have more look in #php |
| 19:54.04 | streuner | s/look/luck/ |
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| 19:54.21 | loo23 | yigal, Unable to open /dev/sda from fdisk |
| 19:54.27 | pheeror | streuner: no, it's certailny debian related question |
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| 19:54.36 | yigal | loo23: did you use root to do it? |
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| 19:54.43 | loo23 | yep |
| 19:54.52 | yigal | loo23: is it mounted? |
| 19:55.05 | loo23 | yigal, no |
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| 19:55.15 | yigal | loo23: has it worked in the past |
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| 19:55.43 | jelly | pheeror: are you going to run both apps on the same apache2 instance? (I don't think that's even possible, btw) |
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| 19:55.49 | loo23 | yigal, yep it was formated in the camera |
| 19:55.54 | Drakeson | yigal: I partitioned the disk and made an ext3 bootable partition. Roughly, what are the next steps? (I just need a minimal installation with working apt-get and dpkg. I'll handle the rest) |
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| 19:56.11 | pheeror | jelly: No, I will run two apaches |
| 19:56.11 | yigal | loo23: does it work on another OS or in the camera? |
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| 19:57.23 | jelly | pheeror: one way out of this: build (or repack) your own libapache2-mod-php5 and remove the Conflicts, make it a bigger version than what's in Debian and put in a local repo ;-) |
| 19:57.31 | Drakeson | or I need some keywords to search in google. "nstall debian new hard disk" does not seem to get me what I need |
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| 19:57.43 | Drakeson | *install |
| 19:57.44 | E-bola | Which package has the kernel source for my kernel? |
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| 19:57.56 | loo23 | yigal, in the camera it works, but i did not take more pic so i will not delete the old ones |
| 19:58.01 | yigal | Dark_Apostrophe: sorry i am helping too many people :( |
| 19:58.12 | \amethyst | E-bola: for building a module? |
| 19:58.16 | yigal | loo23: have you tried |
| 19:58.17 | pheeror | jelly: oh, There isn't really any way how to use --force* ? :-( |
| 19:58.23 | E-bola | amethyst: yes precisely |
| 19:58.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | yigal: ? |
| 19:58.34 | jelly | pheeror: no, force pretty mch fucks any apt* operation |
| 19:58.44 | pheeror | jelly: ok |
| 19:58.47 | streuner | help only ONE user at the same time, otherwise you'll become very confused real soon |
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| 19:58.51 | \amethyst | E-bola: linux-headers-`uname -r` should be enough |
| 19:58.58 | yigal | loo23: have you tried using gphotofs and mounting it? |
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| 19:59.08 | E-bola | thanks |
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| 19:59.21 | yigal | Dark_Apostrophe: sorry, meant Drakeson, bad autocomplete |
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| 19:59.30 | pheeror | jelly: Can minor php update appear in debian distribution upgrade (not dist-upgrade) |
| 19:59.32 | jelly | pheeror: maybe, just maybe there's a way for aptitude to ignore it (I don't know how). apt definitely can't/won't. |
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| 19:59.49 | loo23 | yigal, no I will check it out |
| 19:59.52 | jelly | pheeror: unf. yes, php5 has regular security issues |
| 20:00.13 | yigal | Drakeson: you should be able to move everything onto 1 partition - if you want a really simple install and then, reinstall grub |
| 20:00.28 | pheeror | jelly: so i have to name it like php5-7.0.0 ... ;-) |
| 20:00.29 | jelly | pheeror: so you'd need to track those and repack again. |
| 20:00.44 | yigal | loo23: yes, because you are dealing with a filesystem meant to look at photos. you cannot simply mount it. |
| 20:00.48 | pheeror | it won't be stable system :-D |
| 20:01.02 | jelly | pheeror: look into "epoch" if you want it to look more pretty |
| 20:01.02 | mfroot | will i be able to search for a friend on the irc.freenode network? i know his nick, but don't know if he's online or in which channel he is in!? is there a command to search for nick? |
| 20:01.08 | balor | How can I get a Debian install disk to boot on a x86_64 EFI based machine? |
| 20:01.35 | Drakeson | yigal: is it also easy to have a fresh minimal installation on the other hard disk? (if yes, could you suggest me a few keywords to search?) |
| 20:01.43 | streuner | balor: /msg dpkg ig |
| 20:01.57 | jelly | pheeror: basically, version 1:0.3 is bigger than 2.0, but the package name still gets to be foo_0.3_arch.deb |
| 20:02.02 | yigal | mfroot: why not try "/quote chanserv help"? |
| 20:02.06 | streuner | pheeror: thats why i told you before (#php), the might have another solution |
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| 20:02.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | yigal: No problem |
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| 20:02.40 | kloeri | mfroot: /who friendsnick or /msg seenserv seen friendsnick |
| 20:02.50 | cjsstables | does anyone know if compiz-fusion is broken for Lenny |
| 20:02.54 | streuner | pheeror: as jelly already mentioned, php is full of security issues, its better to use debs (security.d.o) |
| 20:03.02 | mfroot | THX a lot |
| 20:03.06 | pheeror | streuner: What 'echo foo' returns on your system? |
| 20:03.11 | streuner | cjsstables: BTS should know about? |
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| 20:03.29 | cjsstables | what is BTS |
| 20:03.31 | jelly | a way to automatically build when a new php5 appears in debian can be arranged. |
| 20:03.31 | balor | streuner: I've read the IG, but it says nothing about EFI |
| 20:03.32 | yigal | Drakeson: sure, you might want to you the netinstall disk, or the first CD of debian etch? the main site www.debian.org should have what you want, or I probably don't understand your question. |
| 20:03.36 | streuner | pheeror: Destop system... |
| 20:03.42 | yigal | s/you/use |
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| 20:04.00 | troy- | anyone know why when i attempt to execute cryptsetup i get an error: incompatible libdevmapper and kernel driver? |
| 20:04.01 | streuner | pheeror: s/Destop/Desktop/ |
| 20:04.06 | jelly | cjsstables: wow, there IS compiz-fusion in lenny? |
| 20:04.39 | pheeror | streuner: so kdialog --msgbox foo |
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| 20:05.14 | cjsstables | no. I want to install from tuxfamily resource but I think it is broken. I haven't been able to get it to run. I can only get beryl to run |
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| 20:05.40 | jelly | cjsstables: you'll have to ask them, then. It's not an official debian repo |
| 20:05.40 | zmainframe | brb |
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| 20:05.49 | cjsstables | yep ok |
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| 20:06.13 | HighNo | anyone up to creating a debian package for my software? I have it debianized already but for packaging with ubuntu - i believe all I have to fix is the dependencies, right? |
| 20:06.14 | \amethyst | balor: It looks like EFI isn't supported on debian amd64 yet, just ia64 and i386. The blocking bug seems to be #383801 |
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| 20:06.46 | streuner | !dbugs 383801 |
| 20:06.49 | dpkg | #383801:N[gnu-efi] gnu-efi: Support for amd64.; Sat, 19 Aug 2006 17:33:02 UTC |
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| 20:07.10 | jelly | HighNo: if you have the sources, and the control files are decent, you could be able to just rebuild it on Debian. |
| 20:07.11 | streuner | hm, one year old :-) |
| 20:07.25 | \amethyst | there was a patch in January, but nothing since |
| 20:07.30 | \amethyst | other than a ping |
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| 20:07.55 | cjsstables | I have a build question. did a ./automake.sh from a root terminal and the program built but it can only run within a root terminal after doing make and make install. Did I screw this up? should I have done this from a regular terminal with sudo? |
| 20:08.06 | HighNo | jelly: I wrote it - so yes :-) Am I right that there should just be different package names in the dependencies to make it work with debian instead of ubuntu? |
| 20:08.46 | jelly | \amethyst: a user found an issue with ifupdown here the other day. I took a look at BTS, seen hoards of years old bugs and wondered how in the hell does networking in Debian work at all :-) |
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| 20:09.17 | \amethyst | HighNo: usually the names will be the same, but the versions might be different. Are you using debhelper |
| 20:09.21 | \amethyst | ? |
| 20:09.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | does anyone know how to make layout changes in xkeycaps permanent? |
| 20:09.39 | grendal_prime | is there a fixed 1.5 rdesktop yet? |
| 20:09.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | I made caps-lock into backspace, but it keeps reverting |
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| 20:10.26 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: write an .xmodmap file, read it in on autostart. |
| 20:10.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: I thought it already did that automatically |
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| 20:10.57 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: nope |
| 20:11.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh |
| 20:11.00 | HighNo | \amethyst: I'm not sure - I think not. I use dh_make, dch and debuild |
| 20:11.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly: It made .xmodmap-(Hostname) |
| 20:11.14 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: or at least, "I don't think so" |
| 20:11.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'll just rename it. :) |
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| 20:11.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks |
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| 20:11.57 | \amethyst | HighNo: can you put your debian/control in a pastebin somewhere? |
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| 20:12.26 | sdsa | someone culd help me, when i restart debian my interface work and able to ping google, when i reload the network in /etc/init.d/ i got a unkown host www.google.com |
| 20:12.37 | jelly | Dark_Apostrophe: grep xmodmap /etc/X11/Xsession.d/* doesn't return anything, so I think you'll need to run "xmodmap $HOME/.xmodmap" by yourself |
| 20:12.40 | HighNo | \amethyst: sure, wait a sec |
| 20:12.50 | socialist | oh crap ok dpkg is complaining about the versiong |
| 20:12.53 | socialist | versions* |
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| 20:13.29 | sayers | !sunbird |
| 20:13.29 | dpkg | i guess sunbird is what Mozilla's standalone calendar application will be called once it's worthy of the title - see http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/ |
| 20:13.29 | balor | \amethyst: thanks. Seems to be fixed in lenny. |
| 20:13.59 | sayers | any good programs for a calander? |
| 20:14.45 | streuner | sayers: the one out of gdesklets isnt bad |
| 20:14.51 | HighNo | \amethyst: http://rafb.net/p/bh82Jt97.html |
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| 20:15.07 | sayers | streuner, im on flux |
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| 20:15.26 | streuner | sayers: me too ;-) |
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| 20:16.18 | streuner | !info gdeskcal |
| 20:16.20 | \amethyst | HighNo: It looks good then. Of course you should build and test the debian package on debian, not ubuntu :) |
| 20:16.21 | dpkg | gdeskcal: (A desktop calendar featuring transparency with smooth alpha-blending), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.57.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 176 kB, Installed size: 1412 kB |
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| 20:17.10 | HighNo | \amethyst: that's mainly what I wanted to ask - if someone likes to build that for me or maybe there is an open build server where such things yould be done |
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| 20:18.15 | streuner | sayers: no need to activate the applet itself, just install the package and put it into xsession |
| 20:18.17 | HighNo | hehe, I like the topic (THIS IS NOT #ubuntu) :-) |
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| 20:18.49 | Supaplex | !tell HighNo -about based on debian |
| 20:18.54 | Supaplex | I like that one myself. :) |
| 20:20.45 | HighNo | Supaplex: just as a side note - only my laptop is ubuntu (has been gentoo before...) my servers are all debian - or better have been, they now aren't mine any longer... |
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| 20:21.36 | \amethyst | HighNo: the ubuntu pbuilder howto has some information on bootstrappin a debian chroot to build packages for debian |
| 20:21.38 | HighNo | Supaplex: though I must admit, I am an official ubuntu trainer :-/ Does that make me a traitor? |
| 20:21.49 | \amethyst | s/ppin/pping/ |
| 20:21.55 | HighNo | \amethyst: cool, will check that |
| 20:22.08 | DustyBin | all of a sudden my NFS network disks have stopped mounting automatically, i can mount them manually but they will not mount automatically like they did a few hours ago?! ive double checked /etc/fstab and it looks fine |
| 20:22.17 | n2iko | do I need all 3 dvd for a full install of etch? |
| 20:22.19 | \amethyst | HighNo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto |
| 20:22.25 | HighNo | \amethyst: thx |
| 20:22.31 | DustyBin | my dmesg says: EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 20:22.37 | \amethyst | n2iko: will you have network access when you are installing? |
| 20:22.38 | DustyBin | what the hell does that mean? |
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| 20:22.48 | n2iko | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:23.04 | Supaplex | HighNo: not really. you grasp why we do ubuntu. that's more than beginners catch on to. |
| 20:23.11 | \amethyst | n2iko: then you should be fine with the netinst CD, or just CD 1 |
| 20:23.31 | socialist | DustyBin: partitions need to be fscked after a certain number of mounts, it's nothing unusual |
| 20:23.33 | \amethyst | n2iko: the more popular a package is, the earlier it appears in the CDs/DVDs |
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| 20:24.06 | \amethyst | n2iko: but if you'll have internet access, you can download whatever isn't on the CDs you have from the net |
| 20:24.29 | \amethyst | n2iko: Most people won't install everything from even the first CD |
| 20:25.03 | n2iko | \amethyst: good idea. I'm near my download limits this month. thanks. |
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| 20:25.42 | manic96 | I'm looking for the name of a utility that I believe exists but I can't seem to find. I'd like a utility that takes a username and password like login does but just returns true or false if the authentication is correct. |
| 20:26.38 | nss | make-live is not working for me... I'm trying to make a livecd. |
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| 20:29.30 | jelly | manic96: hm, maybe use something like libauthen-simple-pam-perl to write a quick one yourself? |
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| 20:30.12 | nss | does it matter if make-live says: "chroot: cannot change root directory to chroot: No such file or directory" but then continues? |
| 20:30.35 | \amethyst | manic96: su nobody -c "su ${USER} -c 'exit 0'" |
| 20:31.00 | \amethyst | manic96: if you're not root, then just su ${USER} -c 'exit 0' |
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| 20:31.49 | mbroeker | manic96, very simple: http://rafb.net/p/FTfEDK73.html |
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| 20:32.31 | \amethyst | mbroeker: I don't think that was the question |
| 20:33.18 | mbroeker | it was the way and the solution. good boy, \amethyst |
| 20:33.35 | \amethyst | mbroeker: and you probably want IFS='' read -s -r pwd |
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| 20:34.14 | \amethyst | :P |
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| 20:35.49 | mbroeker | wow, cool, i havent known anything about the -s -r switches. cool |
| 20:35.50 | abrotman | mbroeker: you totally missed it |
| 20:36.08 | manic96 | thanks for the suggestions...I'm off to read the su man page. mbroeker: I already have an encrypted password module that I have written, now I want to tie it into the system password using a more secure call than a perl program (harder for script kiddies to break) but thanks for the code |
| 20:36.09 | \amethyst | mbroeker: IFS='' is also important, else (even with -r) you'll strip leading and trailing spaces |
| 20:36.11 | mbroeker | whats your advice, abrotman ? |
| 20:37.31 | abrotman | mbroeker: i'm just pointing out that oyu didn't get anywhere near answering his question :) |
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| 20:39.15 | \amethyst | manic96: I think jelly's suggestion is probably the best |
| 20:39.41 | \amethyst | manic96: the su trick is a hack, and it's fragile because you have to do it differently depending on whether or not you're root |
| 20:39.58 | bzed | dondelelcaro: are you around? |
| 20:40.09 | manic96 | thanks all. I just wasn't sure if one existed. I hate reinventing the wheel |
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| 20:44.03 | |DuReX| | hello guys, i just bought a router, its working nice on my pc, but my linux pc fucks up constantly |
| 20:44.15 | |DuReX| | when i do ifdown/ifup it works for 10 seconds |
| 20:44.18 | |DuReX| | then its fucked up |
| 20:44.58 | Ashareth | What is the problem exactly? |
| 20:45.16 | Ashareth | How is the network set up(software and hardware config). |
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| 20:45.23 | Ashareth | Dhcp, static ip, etc? |
| 20:45.36 | |DuReX| | dhcp inet |
| 20:45.40 | |DuReX| | and dhcp internal also |
| 20:45.42 | |DuReX| | it gets ip |
| 20:45.53 | |DuReX| | can ping from linux pc to google.. |
| 20:46.17 | Ashareth | You use a switch or have all your computer directly on the router? |
| 20:46.30 | |DuReX| | but can't connect from other pc to the linux pc, but if i do ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0, it works for like 20sec and then its fucked again |
| 20:46.36 | |DuReX| | all computers @ router |
| 20:47.06 | HighNo | |DuReX|: does it have the same ip as another device on the net? |
| 20:47.16 | HighNo | (by accident of course) |
| 20:47.33 | jelly | |DuReX|: the router has a couple of UTP ports, and you use it as a switch too, then? |
| 20:47.52 | |DuReX| | nope HighNo |
| 20:48.03 | |DuReX| | its the only pc that has that ip, and its reserved for its mac aslo |
| 20:48.05 | Ashareth | What are the ip you use for the two computers(win and linux)? |
| 20:48.06 | |DuReX| | also* |
| 20:48.13 | Ashareth | And have you the windows and/or linux fw up? |
| 20:48.25 | HighNo | |DuReX|: does connect mean you can ping the other side or what protocol is used for connection? |
| 20:48.30 | Ashareth | Are you sure you don't have a dhcp bail too short? |
| 20:48.36 | |DuReX| | 192.168.0.197 & 198 |
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| 20:50.27 | |DuReX| | i can't ssh to the pc, from outside network, but from inside it works sometimes, and after ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 it works on both for 20sec :s |
| 20:50.30 | |DuReX| | it weird :( |
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| 20:53.44 | Drevay | hey guys, i want to start compiling C/C++ code, what do I download besides gcc / g++? |
| 20:54.03 | HighNo | |DuReX|: that could be about everything - it might be a broken network chip, broken driver for that chip or - as in many cases a bad case of autosensing going amok |
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| 20:54.24 | HighNo | does dmesg tell you anything regarding the net? |
| 20:54.29 | eeyore- | Drevay: nothing else is absolutely necessary, but some will make it easier for you to develop |
| 20:54.44 | Drevay | ok |
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| 20:55.07 | |DuReX| | mmm ok HighNo, going to use other nic now to test |
| 20:55.08 | mesof | what is this disk warning at shutdown of upsmon.conf |
| 20:55.14 | Matts | is it possible to copy large files without using all CPU and I/O ? so that running systems don't get that much lag ? |
| 20:55.16 | eeyore- | Drevay: "make" is nice to have. "libtool" is nice to have. that kind of thing. how about an IDE? personally i'm old school (vi and make suits me fine) |
| 20:55.24 | Ashareth | Drevay: Find a soft to type your code, like jedit or bluefish or something like that. |
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| 20:55.33 | Ashareth | Find one that suits your tastes.;) |
| 20:55.40 | eeyore- | Matts: renice it |
| 20:55.41 | dv_ | libtool is not so nice to have |
| 20:55.51 | dv_ | the autotools chain is not so nice either :P |
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| 20:56.05 | eeyore- | Drevay: "anjuta" is nice if you use gnome |
| 20:56.16 | Matts | eeyore-, renice ? |
| 20:56.19 | eeyore- | dv_: i see |
| 20:56.24 | abrotman | Matts: man renice |
| 20:56.30 | Ashareth | Oh yes, i forgot about Anjuta too.;) |
| 20:56.31 | dv_ | I mean its widespread yes |
| 20:56.33 | Drevay | yes, i've heard of anjuta :D |
| 20:56.36 | Matts | abrotman, OK :) |
| 20:56.40 | dv_ | but its actually one of the worst build systems |
| 20:56.40 | Ashareth | There is CodeBlocks too i think. |
| 20:56.45 | abrotman | Ashareth: i don't think bluefish does C |
| 20:56.51 | dv_ | there are much better alternatives: cmake, scons, premake, waf... |
| 20:56.55 | eeyore- | dv_: of course ... |
| 20:57.06 | Ashareth | abrotman: I think there is a way to find parsers for C in bluefish. |
| 20:57.09 | eeyore- | (rolls eyes) |
| 20:57.12 | Ashareth | But not sure, it's been a long time.;) |
| 20:57.23 | abrotman | Ashareth: by default .. there are ways to make software do all kinds of dirty things |
| 20:57.24 | karsten | Drevay: build-essential will get the essentials. There's a whole slew of other stuff that's useful, depends on the specific project you're working on. I'd say: an editor, tags support for same, bison, and docs for all of the above. |
| 20:57.46 | ref | I created a ubuntu 4 Gb live DVD using bootcdwrite, it was booting ok, but got stuck with this last 4 lines: http://paste.milk-it.net/573 |
| 20:57.53 | eeyore- | bluefish? editor or something? |
| 20:58.02 | dv_ | yes |
| 20:58.03 | abrotman | eeyore-: mostly html/php editor AFAIK |
| 20:58.07 | abrotman | !info bluefish etch |
| 20:58.08 | eeyore- | ah |
| 20:58.08 | dpkg | bluefish: (advanced Gtk+ HTML editor), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.7-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1578 kB, Installed size: 6724 kB |
| 20:58.21 | dv_ | its of some use for c/c++ too |
| 20:58.25 | ref | ..i have no clue of what those last lines means |
| 20:58.41 | eeyore- | the minute i can find nice GUI editor that support proportional fonts *and* vi keybinding, that's when my search will be over ... |
| 20:58.55 | Drevay | cool, thanks, karsten |
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| 20:59.06 | dv_ | you mean, like, gvim? |
| 20:59.09 | karsten | eeyore-: That would be the upcoming MS VIWORD |
| 20:59.18 | eeyore- | dv_: gvim doesn't do proportional fonts |
| 20:59.32 | dv_ | well it does. it just adds space to the letters :P |
| 20:59.33 | abrotman | gedit maybe he meant ? |
| 20:59.37 | abrotman | oh |
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| 20:59.54 | eeyore- | dv_: that, right there, makes everything else you says about "nicer build systems" immediately suspect ... |
| 20:59.55 | Ashareth | Oh, another french who lives near my place.:D |
| 21:00.06 | dv_ | eeyore-, it was just a joke |
| 21:00.08 | dv_ | man |
| 21:00.16 | eeyore- | dv_: :-) |
| 21:00.26 | jelly | karsten: like that guy's plugin for Word to make it work with vi bindings? |
| 21:00.30 | dv_ | besides, ever actually seen scons, waf, cmake etc.? |
| 21:00.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: gedit doesn't like vi keybinding :-) now you see my dilemma |
| 21:00.50 | qsrv | hi |
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| 21:01.04 | qsrv | I'm having a problem upgrading my debian testing box |
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| 21:01.28 | Ashareth | What problem? |
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| 21:01.48 | qsrv | it can't install libc6, as it need a >=2.6.1 kernel and it can't install a 2.6.1 kernel as it need libc6 (or so it seems) |
| 21:02.12 | jelly | eeyore-: http://blog.ngedit.com/2007/02/08/viemu-for-word-and-outlook-released/ :-D |
| 21:02.13 | eeyore- | qsrv: have you tried to ... oh ... i don't know ... INSTALL BOTH? |
| 21:02.13 | Ashareth | Oooohhh, nice.:D |
| 21:02.24 | Ashareth | I like those infernal circle problems. |
| 21:02.24 | abrotman | eeyore-: plugin time! |
| 21:02.36 | Ashareth | What is the version of your kernel? |
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| 21:02.50 | qsrv | 2.4.27-2 |
| 21:03.07 | abrotman | qsrv: what's your CPU ? |
| 21:03.07 | karsten | jelly: Hell if I know, it's been years since I've really used Word. |
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| 21:03.15 | mancubus1 | Hello! |
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| 21:03.26 | qsrv | an old pII |
| 21:03.28 | eeyore- | abrotman: i used to use vim kparts some time ago, not sure why i stopped. must have been horrible enough. |
| 21:04.03 | abrotman | qsrv: paste your sources somewhere |
| 21:04.07 | abrotman | and install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 21:04.34 | Ashareth | abrotman: 686 won't work for him, it's i386 architecture. |
| 21:04.37 | mancubus1 | With witch key I need start "locate" to get DB-Index of directory? |
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| 21:04.47 | eeyore- | Ashareth: it's a PII |
| 21:04.48 | Ashareth | 686 is for P4 and up. |
| 21:05.00 | eeyore- | eh? |
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| 21:05.09 | qsrv | deb ftp://debian.balt.net/debian/ testing main |
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| 21:05.15 | Ashareth | P2 are 586 or something from memory no? |
| 21:05.16 | qsrv | deb-src ftp://debian.balt.net/debian/ testing main |
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| 21:05.23 | jelly | Ashareth: no. |
| 21:05.32 | abrotman | Ashareth: bullshit |
| 21:05.35 | eeyore- | Ashareth: mm, no :-) |
| 21:05.48 | abrotman | !686 |
| 21:05.52 | abrotman | bot? |
| 21:05.53 | jelly | Ashareth: 686 = Pentium Pro and above (from Intel) |
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| 21:05.57 | abrotman | oh well |
| 21:06.03 | dondelelcaro | bzed: wassup? |
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| 21:06.09 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 21:06.11 | jelly | Ashareth: including P2 |
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| 21:06.12 | mesof | okay it worked |
| 21:06.13 | abrotman | oh .. there we go |
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| 21:06.20 | ^tristian | hi all - presumably the only way to get the nvidia drivers working on 2.6.21-2-686 is to recompile the kernel? |
| 21:06.22 | newjordan | hi there |
| 21:06.26 | ^tristian | just thought I would check... |
| 21:06.46 | stoned | wat about core2? |
| 21:06.53 | stoned | still 686? |
| 21:06.58 | jelly | stoned: sure |
| 21:07.00 | newjordan | somebody can help me with a debian and vmware and xp home? |
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| 21:07.21 | speeves | newjordan: what's up? |
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| 21:07.22 | jelly | stoned: but a em64t kernel is a better fit |
| 21:07.22 | bahatpc | hello |
| 21:07.37 | stoned | jelly: and what about amd64 instead? |
| 21:08.03 | newjordan | its very simple but i have no clue on how to solve it please |
| 21:08.03 | bzed | dondelelcaro: one of my upstreams has a question regarding using gpl software in mit licensed projects, can I send them to you? |
| 21:08.03 | jelly | stoned: hell, they all still power up as 8086 :-) |
| 21:08.03 | qsrv | ok, I got |
| 21:08.03 | qsrv | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 21:08.03 | qsrv | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 21:08.03 | qsrv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.03 | qsrv | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.03 | qsrv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.03 | stoned | yes they do, yes they do :) |
| 21:08.03 | speeves | newjordan: what's the problem? |
| 21:08.07 | abrotman | he's mixing |
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| 21:08.31 | jelly | abrotman: a DJ! |
| 21:08.37 | eeyore- | Ashareth: the progression went something like ... 8086, 80286 (there was 80186 in there but it wasn't used in the PC architecture), 80386, 80486, pentium, pentium-pro (cancelled soon after), pentium-ii, pentium-iii, pentium 4, then after this it kinds of explodes in several parallel directions |
| 21:08.52 | streuner | jelly: bobbitt ;-) |
| 21:08.55 | abrotman | pentium-pro wasn't really cancelled so much as rolled into PII |
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| 21:09.20 | eeyore- | abrotman: well yeah, but the actual chip itself was never produced much |
| 21:09.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: i've got a dual ppro here :) |
| 21:09.34 | eeyore- | abrotman: pretty rare to find the actual ppro chip |
| 21:09.34 | ^tristian | never really thought about amd64... is it ok on intel pentium D? :-) |
| 21:09.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:09.50 | jelly | abrotman: time to upgrade to dual P3! |
| 21:09.54 | stoned | sure |
| 21:10.02 | abrotman | jelly: we've got a quad PIII too :) |
| 21:10.05 | kenji | why apache its going down |
| 21:10.06 | stoned | PD offers 64EMT |
| 21:10.08 | eeyore- | oooh |
| 21:10.11 | abrotman | all kinds of ancient stuff :) |
| 21:10.22 | jelly | abrotman: ah, all right then, carry on |
| 21:10.25 | qsrv | hm, this is what I got http://pastebin.com/m65c10836 |
| 21:10.28 | eeyore- | hey i got an amiga 500 :-) |
| 21:10.32 | abrotman | jelly: my listserv .. makes baby jesus cry |
| 21:10.32 | snowbird | hey stoned if debian is sending packerts to outher pcs on net does that mean someting got in and shold be killed |
| 21:10.39 | abrotman | (admittedly .. we don't use it much) |
| 21:10.44 | eeyore- | with the original plonking disk drive ... |
| 21:10.53 | abrotman | qsrv: paste your sources somewhere |
| 21:10.56 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:10.57 | ^tristian | righto... sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64 |
| 21:10.59 | ^tristian | heh |
| 21:11.01 | jelly | abrotman: replace it with a shell script^W^Wvirtual machine |
| 21:11.05 | stoned | depends |
| 21:11.11 | stoned | what kind of packets? |
| 21:11.19 | abrotman | jelly: the machines powerful enough for VM stuff aren't available for that kind of stuff |
| 21:11.49 | qsrv | sources.list: http://pastebin.com/d6c05055e |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | jelly: that is a plan i'd liek to explore though |
| 21:11.53 | jelly | abrotman: buggerall, and here I sit with a amd vm capable desktop |
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| 21:12.19 | abrotman | is balt.net an actual debian mirror ? |
| 21:12.21 | jelly | abrotman: I'll rent you a virtual machine or two :-) |
| 21:12.28 | qsrv | abrotman: yes |
| 21:12.28 | snowbird | i don't know but in my system log i got a loop |
| 21:12.35 | abrotman | qsrv: aptitude update .. try again |
| 21:12.41 | qsrv | I've tried |
| 21:12.42 | eeyore- | it's five o'clock already? |
| 21:12.43 | abrotman | jelly: that's not the point |
| 21:12.44 | abrotman | ! |
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| 21:12.57 | snowbird | stoned i wonder if a torrent tracker wants out |
| 21:13.12 | snowbird | or gnomenetmeeting |
| 21:13.25 | abrotman | jelly: iv'e got a few other items on my wishlist for the server stuff .. if the listserv goes boom .. it really doesn't affect me |
| 21:14.14 | qsrv | abrotman: I get the same result |
| 21:14.28 | abrotman | qsrv: apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 21:15.09 | qsrv | should I paste the output of that? |
| 21:15.16 | eeyore- | abrotman: i bet you don't have a Sun javastation :-) |
| 21:15.28 | ^tristian | There we go... Linux leviathan 2.6.21-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 05:38:29 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux... for what it's worth.... |
| 21:15.28 | abrotman | eeyore-: nor do i want one! |
| 21:15.30 | ^tristian | @-P |
| 21:15.35 | eeyore- | abrotman: hey!!!! |
| 21:15.45 | abrotman | eeyore-: you have all the cool hardware .. what can we say ... |
| 21:15.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: it's nice and ... purple ... |
| 21:15.54 | abrotman | it's the nature of your job :) |
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| 21:16.22 | jelly | eeyore-: got a spare sgi? |
| 21:16.25 | newjordan | somebody can help me with a debian4.0, a vmware and a xp home?? |
| 21:16.28 | snowbird | stoned any ideas how to scan for trash? |
| 21:16.32 | qsrv | apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.com/d6cf1b877 |
| 21:17.02 | eeyore- | jelly: haha, no :-) used to. gave it away some time ago. i think it was an .. uh .. shoot. pizza box one. friend managed to resurrect it, which was pretty darn cool :-) |
| 21:17.05 | Ashareth | newjordan: In what way? winxp as host and debian as guest or the other way around?. |
| 21:17.09 | Ashareth | And what is the problem? |
| 21:17.13 | abrotman | qsrv: where's you get libc6 2.6 ? |
| 21:17.16 | abrotman | where'd |
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| 21:17.34 | abrotman | oh .. tyesting |
| 21:17.43 | karsten | abrotman: Hey! |
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| 21:17.49 | abrotman | qsrv: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 .. doesn't work ? |
| 21:17.57 | qsrv | abrotman: nope |
| 21:18.01 | atealtha | I'm trying to get vserver to build an etch machine using the debootstrap method, but adding "-d etch" says that is not a valid option |
| 21:18.02 | eeyore- | newjordan: what about? |
| 21:18.08 | jelly | abrotman: go pick on someone your own size! |
| 21:18.16 | atealtha | how can I get this to work? this is what the help said to use |
| 21:18.36 | zack242 | how do I obtain a package's control file? For example mysql's? |
| 21:18.45 | eeyore- | zack242: ar x the *.deb |
| 21:18.57 | mancubus1 | What key for dpkg I need to use, to know what packages must be upgraded after "apt-get update" ? |
| 21:19.12 | abrotman | i'd add another mirror |
| 21:19.17 | snowbird | stoned u quiet u got gf and at dinner table with lap top? |
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| 21:19.33 | abrotman | jesus |
| 21:19.35 | ruben | Hello, what is the way to force an ethernet to be eth0 instead of eth1? I don't have eth0 and it uses eth1 instead, it is possible? |
| 21:19.35 | qsrv | abrotman: was that for me? |
| 21:19.39 | abrotman | qsrv: yes |
| 21:19.42 | jelly | zack242: or dpkg --control *.deb |
| 21:20.08 | jelly | zack242: stuff will be unpacked in a DEBIAN/ subdirectory |
| 21:20.25 | eeyore- | jelly: "ar x" is a lot fewer letters :-) |
| 21:20.42 | abrotman | eeyore-: but then you have tar -zxf debian.tar.gz! |
| 21:20.47 | eeyore- | aarrrgh |
| 21:20.50 | jelly | eeyore-: I have an alias :-P also, you forgot tar xfv then |
| 21:21.03 | mancubus1 | ruben, yes, remove unworkable NIC |
| 21:21.13 | eeyore- | debian is quaint :-p |
| 21:21.15 | qsrv | abrotman: maybe I should just try apt-get -f dist-upgrade? |
| 21:21.16 | eeyore- | (duck) |
| 21:21.24 | abrotman | qsrv: you sohuld be running a 2.6 kernel already |
| 21:21.29 | jelly | abrotman: control.tar.gz I believe (not that it matters) |
| 21:21.39 | abrotman | jelly: hrm .. if you say so .. my mind is going to pot |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | not literally |
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| 21:21.51 | ruben | mancubus1: I was removed now to my new ethernet |
| 21:21.52 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, 2.4 is still fine. 2.6 sucks for games and of course compiz really sucks without -ck |
| 21:21.56 | jelly | eeyore-: \_o< |
| 21:21.58 | qsrv | hm |
| 21:21.59 | abrotman | eeyore-: not with lenny |
| 21:22.14 | eeyore- | abrotman: lenny? |
| 21:22.14 | qsrv | is it possible to install debian on a box with no monitor? |
| 21:22.21 | mesof | abrotman: is it possible to xset m with decimals? |
| 21:22.24 | eeyore- | gsrv: sure |
| 21:22.27 | jelly | qsrv: serial console. |
| 21:23.03 | snowbird | stoned static in router> |
| 21:23.08 | eeyore- | qsrv: you can boot the box with knoppix, ssh into the box, chroot to do debinstall inside the chroot, make *sure* everything is set up right, and reboot ;-) |
| 21:23.10 | snowbird | and il do the drop firewall |
| 21:24.08 | eeyore- | jelly: what is this -> \_o< <- i can't quite picture it |
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| 21:24.31 | xand | an accident involving a lawnmower |
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| 21:24.56 | hermit | How can I query the package database to find out exactly which package installed file X? |
| 21:24.57 | eeyore- | i'm not so good with fark ascii one-liners |
| 21:25.27 | jelly | eeyore-: (duck) |
| 21:25.43 | epsilon | ( o ) ( o ) |
| 21:25.48 | eeyore- | ah |
| 21:26.14 | jelly | eeyore-: most of the body is in the water, of course |
| 21:26.20 | petemc | hermit: dpkg -S |
| 21:26.27 | hermit | thx |
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| 21:26.45 | mesof | abrotman: did you catch that last question? |
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| 21:27.04 | eeyore- | mesof: xset with decimals? |
| 21:27.07 | mesof | yeah |
| 21:27.10 | eeyore- | like what? |
| 21:27.17 | mesof | xset m 1.5 0 |
| 21:27.27 | mesof | eeyore-: you are the man |
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| 21:28.02 | mesof | i wasn't ever able to set it properly before |
| 21:28.08 | eeyore- | mesof: man xset says "m" parameters can be integer or simple fraction |
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| 21:28.31 | mesof | how is the simple fraction written out |
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| 21:28.39 | mesof | 1.5? |
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| 21:29.13 | mesof | 2/1 |
| 21:29.21 | mesof | 3/1 |
| 21:29.33 | eeyore- | mesof: you'd think ... |
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| 21:29.41 | eeyore- | weird :-) |
| 21:29.46 | mesof | but it never worked for me |
| 21:30.00 | mesof | setting it in quotes never worked either |
| 21:30.06 | eeyore- | i honestly haven't ever seen it written as simple fraction before, unless they mean something else ... |
| 21:30.25 | derek_ | I got amarok installed but I go to configure the sound engine and there's nothing in the list. How do I get that in there? Shouldn't it be xine something |
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| 21:31.07 | jakub_ | hi |
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| 21:31.16 | eeyore- | meseof: oh maybe this helps, m accel_mult[/accel_div] threshold |
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| 21:31.33 | jakub_ | i have big problem with my flash disc to mobile, i format it on win vista okay works i mount it on linux - i copy data on it and umount and then, filesystem is damaged |
| 21:31.34 | jakub_ | :( |
| 21:31.34 | mesof | as an xset? |
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| 21:31.52 | eeyore- | meseof: so you either write "m 1 0" or "m <integer>/<some integer> <integer>" |
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| 21:32.11 | Drevay | is anyone familiar with OVGuide.com? i have a friend (i'm on his pc now) that has Etch and can't get OVGuide to work - it uses an imbedded video player (totem/ windows media player/ etc.) |
| 21:32.14 | mesof | jakub_: were you using the ntfg driver? |
| 21:32.20 | Drevay | i have all of the win32codecs installed and working |
| 21:32.22 | jakub_ | no |
| 21:32.24 | jakub_ | what is ntfg ? |
| 21:32.25 | Drevay | everything works but ovguide |
| 21:32.26 | qsrv | ah, I'll tackle the problem tomorrow. Good night everyone. Thanks for the advice |
| 21:32.36 | mesof | jakub_: a driver for the drive |
| 21:32.39 | jakub_ | i mount it normaly |
| 21:32.41 | jakub_ | normally |
| 21:32.45 | mesof | eeyore-: what is 1.5 as a fraction? |
| 21:32.49 | jakub_ | in kernel ? |
| 21:33.00 | eeyore- | mesof: 3/2 :-p |
| 21:33.02 | jakub_ | where in kernel i just using my own |
| 21:33.13 | jakub_ | it have big problem |
| 21:33.21 | eeyore- | mesof: has this become #remedial-math? :-) |
| 21:33.22 | jakub_ | i can copy data from it |
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| 21:33.26 | jakub_ | sometimes i can write data on it |
| 21:33.28 | mesof | hahahah i wish |
| 21:33.29 | jakub_ | but if i copy |
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| 21:33.46 | jakub_ | it dont write it to the disc - but it save in memory and if i umount it - it damage filesystem |
| 21:34.29 | eeyore- | jakub_: you mean you simply yanked it out without sync'ing and umonting? or what? |
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| 21:34.40 | mesof | let me test this, brb |
| 21:34.42 | jakub_ | no |
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| 21:34.51 | jakub_ | i copy data on it okay :-) but it dont write data on it |
| 21:34.58 | jakub_ | it write if i umounting it |
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| 21:35.32 | eeyore- | jakub_: well sure, when you "umount", you also flush buffer and synchronize contents at that time |
| 21:35.54 | eeyore- | jakub_: you mean to say you want all writes to go immediately to disk? |
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| 21:36.04 | jakub_ | yes |
| 21:36.10 | jakub_ | and dont destroy filesystem |
| 21:36.19 | jakub_ | it dont umount correctly |
| 21:36.28 | eeyore- | jakub_: sorry, there's no such thing under linux. all you can hope for is a "sync" to flush buffers after writes. no raw I/O for you!!! |
| 21:36.42 | eeyore- | jakub_: i don't know what you mean about "destroying filesystem" |
| 21:36.45 | jakub_ | if i get the card into mobile phone, if i plug it after linux write - the mobile stucks |
| 21:37.11 | jakub_ | and if i want to mount it next time it dont know what filesystem is it |
| 21:37.32 | jakub_ | root@sirius:/media# umount /media/cf |
| 21:37.32 | jakub_ | umount: /media/cf: device is busy |
| 21:37.35 | jakub_ | now very good :-) |
| 21:37.39 | eeyore- | newjordan: were you running Debian as the host OS and 2003 as the guest os? |
| 21:37.45 | jakub_ | ok now |
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| 21:38.10 | eeyore- | newjordan: and you want 2003 (guest os) to see the wifi card? |
| 21:38.14 | jakub_ | why they are using vfat - ext3 is better :( |
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| 21:38.28 | eeyore- | newjordan: oooh, that's going to be a toughie. i don't even know if vmware actually emulates wifi card |
| 21:38.38 | _wfq | how can I know what time zone my system is set up on Debian? |
| 21:38.46 | eeyore- | newjordan: you have to keep in mind, ALL HARDWARE is emulated under vmware, not just "made available" |
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| 21:39.08 | diclophis-work | hello all |
| 21:39.32 | Ashareth | _wfq: i think you have it by time or something like that. |
| 21:39.49 | Ashareth | Sotty, it's the date command. |
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| 21:40.06 | Ashareth | At the end it should say something like "utc+2000" or "gmt" or anything like that. |
| 21:40.10 | Ashareth | It's the timezone. |
| 21:40.15 | jakub_ | okay |
| 21:40.17 | jakub_ | i copied data now |
| 21:40.25 | jakub_ | if i say umount /dev/sdc the console stucks |
| 21:40.38 | _wfq | Ashareth I had executed before but I could get this information |
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| 21:41.19 | unilynx | which disc is ndiswrapper on in the debian cd set? |
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| 21:42.13 | |messiah| | I have an error with permissions I have -r-sr-xr-x in a file and I need to put it -r-xr-sr-x what instruction will gidme the correct permissions? |
| 21:42.54 | Ashareth | unilynx: Find it on a repository, it'll be faster.;) |
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| 21:43.25 | unilynx | Ashareth: I know :) I just wanted to know because the computer I'm installing this on doesn't have any other means of getting the file. |
| 21:43.28 | Ashareth | |dennis|: something like : 544 |
| 21:43.42 | Ashareth | but not sure for the 4 in the middle, i don't recall the exact syntax for sticky bit. |
| 21:43.52 | Ashareth | Maybe 2544. |
| 21:43.54 | karsten | Is there any way to tell which CPU a process is running on, in an SMP system(solution is somewhat trivial in the UP case). |
| 21:43.59 | Ashareth | unilynx: oups.;) |
| 21:44.06 | uski | hi; i'm having a problem with a debian testing running a 2.4.32 kernel. I can't upgrade it anymore, it says libc6 requires a new kernel. But when i want to install the new kernel, apt-get says the new kernel requires a newer libc6. It says to add the etch sources in apt sources.list and to run apt-get install -t etch linux-image-2.6, I did it but it does not work. May someone help ? |
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| 21:44.15 | \amethyst | |messiah|: 2555 looks like |
| 21:44.18 | Ashareth | Try to dl it and put in on a flash drive or rw cd, it'll be faster.;) |
| 21:44.31 | Ashareth | Oh shit, i can't make an addition anymore.:/ |
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| 21:44.43 | Ashareth | I stated 4 + 1= 4.:D |
| 21:44.57 | uski | karsten, maybe in /proc ? but i'm not sure, it's just a plain guess |
| 21:44.59 | unilynx | Ashareth: Thats another problem, the USB is acting up on this box. lol. I'm in a tight spot here |
| 21:44.59 | eeyore- | ashas: for very small values of 1 this would be correct |
| 21:45.14 | |messiah| | oki I got it |
| 21:45.15 | |messiah| | thanks |
| 21:45.17 | karsten | uski: Not /proc/<PID>/status, which was my guess. |
| 21:45.21 | Ashareth | eeyore-: Yeah, but not for setting permissions.;) |
| 21:45.35 | uski | karsten, ok, i was thinking of this too |
| 21:45.41 | eeyore- | night |
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| 21:46.07 | uski | damn, i hope that i won't screw my dependencies trying to fix this libc6 problem without apt :/ blah |
| 21:46.08 | karsten | uski: Hrm: /proc/<PID>/cpuset. Not documented in proc(5). |
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| 21:46.27 | alex^^ | i have a tough question, im wondering if its possible to boot linux from a usb stick on an old pent-200mhz machine - possible? |
| 21:46.37 | uski | karsten, can you send me the content of this file in private message ? if it doesn't contain anything confidential. I'm curious about the formatting :) |
| 21:46.43 | \amethyst | alex^^: can the machine boot from a USB stick? |
| 21:46.53 | alex^^ | \amethyst: no :) |
| 21:46.55 | MarGarina | Hey people.. I'm trying to see utf-8 filenames in kde but no luck.. I've got the LC_CTYPE set + fonts, and it works in everything but kde (gtk, qt, uxterm, console). |
| 21:46.59 | MarGarina | any idea what I am missing? |
| 21:47.11 | alex^^ | \amethyst: second question, whats a cheap motherboard that does? :D |
| 21:47.15 | \amethyst | alex^^: you might be able to find and use a USB stick that emulates a CD-ROM |
| 21:47.28 | alex^^ | hmmmm |
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| 21:47.36 | \amethyst | alex^^: but there's a good chance the BIOS can't boot off a USB CD-ROM either |
| 21:47.40 | uski | alex^^ you need your BIOS to support that |
| 21:47.46 | alex^^ | \amethyst: ok ill look into yet, yeah i think |
| 21:47.46 | karsten | uski: / |
| 21:47.50 | \amethyst | alex^^: You have a floppy drive? |
| 21:47.56 | alex^^ | \amethyst: yes |
| 21:48.06 | Sebboh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.13 | alex^^ | \amethyst: im using this for a gateway box only, i dont want a nasty hdd spinning around |
| 21:48.30 | uski | karsten, "/" ? it's the content of the file ? i was thinking of something nicer :D |
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| 21:48.40 | \amethyst | alex^^: theoretically you could boot the kernel off a floppy (or HD) and use the USB as root |
| 21:48.56 | alex^^ | maybe that could be an option |
| 21:49.21 | uski | or a compactflash 8MB card connected to the IDE controller |
| 21:49.28 | alex^^ | small problem is, that i would have to put all the cfg stuff on the floppy, then switch it over to the usb |
| 21:49.32 | karsten | uski: That's it. |
| 21:49.48 | alex^^ | ill be using smoothwall - which needs around 70meg |
| 21:50.16 | uski | alex^^, you can put the kernel and the initramfs in a floppy/compactflash/whatever, and then launch the init on your usb key which would be larger |
| 21:50.43 | \amethyst | cpuset isn't the set of processors it's currently running on |
| 21:50.46 | uski | i'm not sure if there are scripts readily available to do that |
| 21:50.52 | \amethyst | it's the set of processor it's allowed to run on |
| 21:50.57 | \amethyst | s/ssor /ssors / |
| 21:51.02 | alex^^ | uski: ill look into it |
| 21:51.19 | \amethyst | dpkg, cpuset is at http://www.bullopensource.org/cpuset/ |
| 21:51.19 | dpkg | \amethyst: okay |
| 21:51.31 | alex^^ | uski: any links / clues on booting up from disk, then swtiching her over to the usb stick? |
| 21:51.41 | uski | alex^^, maybe you want to checkout the scripts used to have a crypto root filesystem, the basic idea is the same: you make the root available first, and then you boot onto it |
| 21:51.56 | karsten | alex^^: pivot_root |
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| 21:52.23 | harlekin | Welche Nummer muss ich bei fdisk für das Dateisystem setzen, damit ich Windows darauf installieren kann? Der Windows Installer stellt sich wieder an. |
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| 21:52.32 | SiriusFR | Ouch. |
| 21:52.38 | SiriusFR | I love German. |
| 21:52.40 | SiriusFR | >< |
| 21:52.45 | alex^^ | !de |
| 21:52.45 | dpkg | well, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 21:53.15 | karsten | heB_z0rL: Englisch, bitte. |
| 21:53.44 | SiriusFR | karsten: I thing you missed your target. :3 |
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| 21:53.48 | SiriusFR | think* |
| 21:53.56 | karsten | SiriusFR: Yeah, yeah. |
| 21:54.00 | \amethyst | karsten: found your answer, I think... ps -o psr pid |
| 21:54.01 | heB_z0rL | karsten: what? Oo |
| 21:54.11 | karsten | harlekin: Any standard dul/multi boot howto should get you straight. |
| 21:54.14 | karsten | heB_z0rL: Sorry. |
| 21:54.24 | karsten | heB_z0rL: ... oder entschuldigung, Bitte. |
| 21:54.34 | heB_z0rL | macht nigs *gg* |
| 21:54.50 | karsten | heB_z0rL: "nichts". |
| 21:54.52 | harlekin | Uh, sorry. Wrong channel. ^^ Thanks though. |
| 21:54.55 | SiriusFR | XD |
| 21:55.12 | karsten | \amethyst: Thanks. |
| 21:55.14 | \amethyst | karsten: if you're parsing /proc/$PID/stat by hand, I think it's the third from the end |
| 21:55.16 | uski | does anyone think that upgrading to etch would solve my dependency problem ? i don't care about the longterm stability of the machine, i just need to have it running correctly for the next days so that I can safely transfer my files... i can't keep the current kernel for, hmm, compatibility reasons with new hardware |
| 21:55.43 | karsten | \amethyst: That varies by kernel revision, and RHEL's format doesn't match its manpage. |
| 21:56.01 | diclophis-work | does anyone have any howtos on how to make a system run from a ramdisk? |
| 21:56.07 | karsten | uski: Are you in a codependent relationship? Are you an enabler? |
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| 21:56.36 | uski | karsten, i'm afraid i don't understand, english not being my native language. Maybe I said something funny inadvertently :) |
| 21:57.00 | uski | lol i think i understood |
| 21:57.02 | Sebboh | uski, kinda. Not really. Karsten is reaching. |
| 21:57.02 | uski | blah |
| 21:57.06 | karsten | uski: I'm just being flippant.. Sec. |
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| 21:57.53 | uski | anyway... my box has a dependency problem (yea, not me), and i need to fix it. maybe i can just reinstall it... |
| 21:57.57 | karsten | uski: Workstation or server? |
| 21:58.07 | alex^^ | another question: what would be the equivilent of nobody:nobody in debian? |
| 21:58.07 | karsten | uski: In general, I'd say, yeah, just go testing on it. |
| 21:58.15 | karsten | alex^^: Same. |
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| 21:58.47 | alex^^ | chown: `nobody:nobody': invalid group |
| 21:58.54 | \amethyst | alex^^: nobody:nogroup |
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| 21:59.05 | alex^^ | ah thanks :) |
| 21:59.19 | uski | karsten, it's not in production, it's just an old machine i put all my old harddrives in it so that i can sort what's important and what can be deleted; i just want to be able to upgrade the kernel so that i can build the module for my IDE controller PCI card. for this, i need to install linux-image-2.6, for this i need a new libc6 which needs itself linux-image-2.6... blah |
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| 21:59.42 | karsten | uski: In that case, yeah, go testing already. |
| 22:00.31 | uski | you mean the "testing" version ? the problem is that it's already a "testing" (according to the sources.list), but with a 2.4 kernel. |
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| 22:00.41 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 22:00.58 | uski | can't i tell apt "install whatever you need to make it work" ? apart from apt-get -f install that i tried |
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| 22:01.14 | uski | i'm browsing google trying to find the way to upgrade to unstable |
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| 22:02.52 | dondelelcaro | it's the same way that you upgrade to any other suite. You change your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; |
| 22:03.11 | uski | no dist-upgrade ? |
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| 22:04.12 | uski | ok, i try that; if it doesn't work, i get a netinstall image and i reinstall the box, i don't care about it's current content |
| 22:04.19 | philll | good night at all see you tomorrow |
| 22:04.23 | uski | nite :) |
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| 22:07.07 | uski | it's fun, sometimes the channel holds 3 simultaneous discussions, and 2 minutes after... nothing |
| 22:07.11 | uski | time to start trolling |
| 22:09.46 | uski | is there a place somewhere where I can read about the internals of debian packaging system ? sometimes i feel a little dumb when it comes to handling problems with apt. while there are a lot of info in the holy manual, this stuff only explain how to use apt and not how it works |
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| 22:09.57 | derek_ | I got amarok installed but I go to configure the sound engine and there's nothing in the list. How do I get that in there? Shouldn't it be xine something |
| 22:10.07 | karsten | uski: There's a number of docs at http://www.debian.org/docs/ |
| 22:10.12 | bzed | derek_: install the package with then engine |
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| 22:10.58 | uski | ty karsten (fyi it's "doc") |
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| 22:11.32 | karsten | uski: er, http://www.debian.org/doc/, including http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ and http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
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| 22:11.38 | karsten | uski: Yeah. |
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| 22:14.53 | uski | is there a way to cancel any interrupted apt package installation ? sometimes the install screws up with some preinstall scripts for example; you then need to correct the problem with the scripts, and re-run apt to finish the process. Is there a way to interrupt this process ?* |
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| 22:16.43 | jakub_ | please |
| 22:16.45 | jakub_ | how to format flash card |
| 22:16.52 | jakub_ | format = no file system |
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| 22:16.54 | jakub_ | etc.. |
| 22:17.01 | jakub_ | complete format |
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| 22:17.23 | uski | jakub_, why do you want to do that? what do you expect by the operation? usually reformatting the card with a new, clean filesystem solves many problem |
| 22:17.32 | jakub_ | no |
| 22:17.35 | jakub_ | i want to remove all on card |
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| 22:17.39 | jakub_ | as formatting on windows |
| 22:17.57 | uski | you mean a windows "slow format" ? |
| 22:18.03 | karsten | jakub_: Same as any media. To repartition: fdisk, to create filesystem: mkfs |
| 22:18.04 | jakub_ | no |
| 22:18.09 | jakub_ | yeah |
| 22:18.11 | jakub_ | i testing it now |
| 22:18.15 | karsten | jakub_: I'd suggest _not_ repartitioning it. |
| 22:18.37 | jakub_ | i must |
| 22:18.44 | jakub_ | i want to delete windows from the earth |
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| 22:19.17 | karsten | jakub_: And either use vfat (for compatibility with other systems) or jffs2 for flash. |
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| 22:19.33 | jakub_ | yeeeah |
| 22:19.35 | jakub_ | it working now |
| 22:19.38 | jakub_ | linux fix it ! |
| 22:19.38 | jakub_ | :-) |
| 22:19.41 | karsten | jakub_: The partitioning itself is going to be fine. |
| 22:19.42 | jakub_ | fuck off windows |
| 22:19.47 | \amethyst | though vfat is compatible, it's one of the worst FSs to use for flash |
| 22:20.00 | \amethyst | rather, for old flash that doesn't do wear-levelling |
| 22:20.15 | karsten | \amethyst: Quite. |
| 22:20.37 | uski | by the way, does someone has an idea of how wear levelling is done ? i expect there is no counter of write cycles for each sector... how does the flash knows a specific sector is _about to_ get corrupted ? |
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| 22:20.56 | jakub_ | YES |
| 22:20.58 | \amethyst | uski: it doesn't know that |
| 22:21.16 | derek_ | I got amarok installed and it shows xine-engine in the list but when I go to play a file it says xine-engine cannot play the file (mplayer can play the file). |
| 22:21.20 | \amethyst | uski: It uses the number of writes as an approximation |
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| 22:21.48 | uski | yea but storing the number of writes for each sector would require... to double the capacity of the card, or so |
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| 22:21.59 | uski | that's why i expect they do something clever, at chip-level |
| 22:22.06 | giupy | hi all |
| 22:22.14 | uski | maybe watching the write time, which gets higher with wearing |
| 22:22.30 | \amethyst | uski: if you track a 32-bit count (up to 4 billion writes) that's 4 bytes per block |
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| 22:23.27 | uski | \amethyst, yea you're right... but then... the counter will wear as fast as the sector, so it's not reliable is it ? hence my questions :) |
| 22:24.09 | \amethyst | uski: the counter is presumably part of the block, so it wears at the same rate. There's usually a checksum too |
| 22:24.31 | \amethyst | uski: so if the checksum doesn't match, it knows not to trust the counter |
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| 22:24.48 | Sebboh | uski, actually, some of the newer ones don't count at all. ..I don't think that the older ones do either, but, I know that some of the newer ones just write sequentually across the entire space.. An update to a file is actually written to a new location, and the original location is just marked as free.. And the FAT or whatever is actually written to a new location, too. Really, if you imagine a database where you only have insert and del |
| 22:24.48 | Sebboh | you don't have update.. that's how it works if I understand correctly. |
| 22:24.53 | uski | \amethyst, ooh yea, i think i got it. More than a checksum, they must be using error correcting codes at least for the counter (but i think that high end cards such as Sandisk Extreme III use it for the data too) |
| 22:25.22 | \amethyst | uski: Yes, they usually use ECCs |
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| 22:25.52 | uski | Sebboh, ok, that's a good option too :) some sort of circular buffer... but they would need to store an index somewhere if where is the start, and this would wear, unless they store it using some memory technology that does not wear (see ramtron's FRAM) |
| 22:26.20 | Sebboh | uski, \amethyst, there is a really good write-up about the technology on olpc's website. (one laptop per child, laptop.org iirc) |
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| 22:26.58 | simonrvn | if not, wikipedia (including the OLPC) |
| 22:27.14 | Sebboh | uski, why have one location that the index is stored in? Keep that in a moving loop, too. Just scan till you find it on boot.. and then remember where it is and if you move it. |
| 22:27.38 | diafic | Non-debian question |
| 22:27.42 | uski | Sebboh, thanks |
| 22:27.44 | diafic | What is the fedora package manager |
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| 22:28.01 | |messiah| | ohh ok I put chmod +t? or I have to specify u+t o g+t to setup the first digit as 2? |
| 22:28.28 | uski | |messiah|, i can't see your original problem in my history, can you recap ? |
| 22:28.41 | |messiah| | if I put stat and I get (2755/-rwxr-sr-x) the first 2 what is that? and how can I set it to a file? |
| 22:29.14 | simonrvn | that 2 is setgid |
| 22:29.14 | uski | aargh I have almost solved my dependency^W^Wmy problem with APT, i get this : "udev: Conflicts: hotplug but 0.0.20040329-26 is to be installed" any idea of a solution for this ? |
| 22:29.40 | |messiah| | simonrvn how can I set a file to have the setgid with +t? |
| 22:29.53 | simonrvn | add 1 |
| 22:29.56 | uski | is there a way to tell apt to install X Y and Z, and to remove A, B and C ? apt-get install X Y Z remove A B C obviously does not work |
| 22:30.00 | simonrvn | i.e., 3 |
| 22:30.04 | simonrvn | info chmod |
| 22:30.15 | |messiah| | I want the permission 775 +the sgid |
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| 22:31.06 | simonrvn | info chmod |
| 22:31.13 | Sebboh | I have an X problem. If I configure it to have two screens (two video cards..), only the first one works. If I switch the screen number in the config file, the other card works.. But never both at the same time. The error is:(WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:8:0) found ..(but it lists the other card if I switch the order.) What's wrong here? |
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| 22:31.57 | uski | Sebboh, do you use the fglrx driver or the radeon driver ? |
| 22:32.11 | |messiah| | ok |
| 22:32.54 | th0ger | uski: apt-get install X Y Z A- B- C- i think |
| 22:32.56 | Sebboh | uski, I have nvidia and radeon in use. I can use either one in a single-screen configuration, so I believe that both are configured correctly. |
| 22:33.22 | themill | |messiah|: did all the help that you were given earlier today not work out? |
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| 22:33.31 | uski | th0ger, thanks; but i selected the "brutal" way by removing hotplug with dpkg... hoping i won't screw up the dependencies |
| 22:33.47 | SerajewelKS | does anyone know of something (and yes, this is a stretch) that will, when a window in an X session is set with the urgent hint, pass a hint over a VNC connection to make the VNC window urgent as well? |
| 22:33.49 | simonrvn | uski: no, that's ok |
| 22:33.58 | uski | ty |
| 22:34.33 | uski | Sebboh, can you paste your xorg.conf (or xxxxxxxx.conf) somewhere ? |
| 22:34.40 | diafic | What is the fedora package manager? |
| 22:34.50 | uski | brb, time to connect the AC plug |
| 22:34.59 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: there's an app that sees x window hints, can't recall the name though |
| 22:35.06 | simonrvn | diafic: ask #fedora |
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| 22:35.11 | Sebboh | http://pastebin.com/d7221539c and http://pastebin.com/m1127a01f |
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| 22:37.34 | uski | a stupid question: if i remove libc6 on a running system (with the intent of immediatly reinstalling a newer version), what can I expect ? |
| 22:37.46 | Sebboh | I did that once |
| 22:37.54 | Sebboh | I had to do a fresh install. |
| 22:37.54 | uski | with dynamically linked binaries, of course |
| 22:38.01 | uski | yea, thats what i thought |
| 22:38.11 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: problem is it will either need client support, or since it's win32 i could hack something up using the win32 api on the client side |
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| 22:38.16 | Sebboh | It's the only time I completely hosed a *nix box. |
| 22:38.18 | derek_ | what packages need to be installed for amarok to play audio |
| 22:38.19 | uski | (and no idea about your problem, try to find an example xorg.conf for a dual card setup) |
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| 22:38.23 | simonrvn | only sane way is to be installing the other one at the same time |
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| 22:38.46 | Alumin | do I need to Build-Depend on stuff like binutils and coreutils? |
| 22:38.53 | Sebboh | uski, I've got the setup that is documented.. it just doesn't behave as documented... |
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| 22:39.06 | Alumin | binutils has a Priority of optional, so maybe yes? |
| 22:39.06 | uski | simonrvn, i'm a bit confused about apt messages; it says "binutils: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is to be installed", can't it just install 2.5-5 and shut up ? :) |
| 22:39.18 | Mazingaro | please I got a problem with kernel 2.6.21, after an ATAPI reset command to the dvd reader I got a kernel panic! |
| 22:39.18 | uski | Sebboh, ok... sorry i can't help :( |
| 22:39.23 | simonrvn | no |
| 22:39.29 | Alumin | although why someone with no build environment would be doing manual package builds I can't say :P |
| 22:40.26 | uski | Mazingaro, see if the problem was corrected with a newer kernel (try to search through the changelogs)... (good luck) |
| 22:40.41 | Mazingaro | uski: 2.6.22? |
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| 22:40.47 | uski | yea |
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| 22:41.01 | uski | but it's only available in unstable as far as i know |
| 22:41.04 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 22:41.13 | Mazingaro | uski: ok thanks |
| 22:41.19 | uski | Mazingaro, don't upgrade blindly |
| 22:41.45 | mesof | fluxbox/icewm, fluxbox, icewm |
| 22:41.59 | uski | you can try, but it may be a waste of time, there are other reasons that kernel bugs that could generate a kernel panic, including hardware problems. Try to see the reason of the panic when it occurs. If the problem can't be reproduced, assume it was a gltch |
| 22:42.02 | fas3r | i need your help ... how to test openvpn on wan connexion ... :( |
| 22:42.14 | fas3r | i haven't second wan connexion ... |
| 22:42.51 | derek_ | Does debian have an equivalent to dmesg -tail? |
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| 22:43.00 | uski | derek_, dmesg | tail ? |
| 22:43.19 | derek_ | dmesg command not found....guess i dont have it installed |
| 22:43.21 | derek_ | sorry |
| 22:43.25 | cafuego | fas3r: use dialup |
| 22:43.50 | cafuego | fas3r: or run openvpn on a friend's remote machine |
| 22:44.01 | fas3r | dialup ? it's a command ? or dialup 56K ... :) |
| 22:44.03 | uski | derek_, ? it's part of the very basic utils, you should have it in /bin |
| 22:44.07 | fas3r | ok |
| 22:44.27 | derek_ | uski, it's not in there. |
| 22:44.28 | fas3r | it's possible windows client connect to openvpn ? |
| 22:44.41 | derek_ | /var/log/dmesg is all i got with dmesg |
| 22:44.56 | uski | derek_, yea, dmesg is a "frontend" to this file (if i can call that a frontend) |
| 22:45.01 | simonrvn | that file is only valid for bootup messages |
| 22:45.13 | simonrvn | uski: no it isn't |
| 22:45.16 | uski | ok |
| 22:45.23 | simonrvn | dmesg tracks current messages |
| 22:45.30 | simonrvn | the log file is bootup |
| 22:45.36 | cafuego | fas3r: 56k dialup, most broadband ISPs give you dialup access for if broadband goes down (here anyway) so if you have that, you could try it. |
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| 22:45.54 | fas3r | ok thank |
| 22:45.55 | uski | derek_, see if you have util-linux installed, i think dmesg is provided by this package |
| 22:46.03 | cafuego | if not, use an AOL Trial CD ;-) |
| 22:46.03 | uski | but it's strange that you don't have dmesg anyway |
| 22:46.25 | simonrvn | cafuego: they do in many places |
| 22:46.35 | simonrvn | uski: for sure |
| 22:47.02 | derek_ | util-linux fixed it, thanks |
| 22:47.40 | fas3r | cafuego: erf it's not possible my credit card is lock :p |
| 22:48.41 | uski | fas3r, find another computer in the trash, install debian on it, link the two computers with their serial ports using a null modem cable (:D), install a SLIP link, and play with openvpn |
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| 22:48.56 | uski | o:) |
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| 22:49.28 | uski | hmm sorry for this, it's just apt that is driving me nuts |
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| 22:49.45 | simonrvn | here, have a walnut ;p |
| 22:49.52 | uski | :) |
| 22:49.55 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:49.59 | fas3r | cafuego: holey ... :) |
| 22:50.10 | snowbird | were is walnut in between ears?\ |
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| 22:50.55 | uski | is there any way to threaten apt's family so that it does what i want and manages to fixup the problems it created itself ? maybe i could kidnap his daughter |
| 22:51.08 | uski | apt-get daughter doesn't work |
| 22:51.10 | dondelelcaro | uski: what problems are you talking about? |
| 22:51.40 | uski | dondelelcaro, i just can't manage to solve the dependency problem about linux-image-2.6 requiring a new libc6, and the new libc6 requiring a new linux-image-2.6 |
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| 22:51.57 | cafuego | linux-image requires libc? |
| 22:52.07 | uski | yea... see: |
| 22:52.13 | cafuego | shirley not |
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| 22:52.27 | cafuego | yaird or mkinitrd maybe |
| 22:52.33 | uski | hmmmm |
| 22:52.39 | uski | in fact it doesn't |
| 22:52.48 | uski | it seems that i have some unfinished packages installation |
| 22:52.56 | uski | and that "locks" apt |
| 22:53.19 | uski | can I paste 6 lines here or should I use a pastebin ? |
| 22:53.22 | Sebboh | apt-get install with no package specified will attempt to finish those left over installations |
| 22:53.43 | uski | it complains |
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| 22:54.04 | uski | it says binutils: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-5) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is installed;;;; libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.6.1-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13 is installed;;;; locales: Depends: glibc-2.5-1 but it is not installable |
| 22:54.05 | Sebboh | daughter is not a command for apt.. try apt-get kidnap daughter. ;) |
| 22:54.26 | uski | i don't know why apt absolutely wants to install 2.3.6.ds1.xx |
| 22:54.40 | Rahsputin | anybody know anything faster than fluxbox ? |
| 22:54.55 | uski | Rahsputin, yea, no window manager |
| 22:55.00 | uski | o:) |
| 22:55.01 | Rahsputin | :D |
| 22:55.39 | uski | i looked in my system and found no package named 2.3.6.ds1-13 (locate 2.3.6.ds1-13) |
| 22:55.41 | Sebboh | screen |
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| 22:56.03 | cafuego | uski: Uh, it means libc6 version 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 22:56.08 | cafuego | !info libc6 etch |
| 22:56.11 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
| 22:56.17 | uski | yea, but locate would have shown it anyway |
| 22:56.17 | Rahsputin | screen ? ok, i´ll check it out, thanx ;) |
| 22:56.23 | Sebboh | uski, locate isn't the best choice for finding a package? dpkg -l package-foo-* ? |
| 22:56.25 | cafuego | uski: So you're upgrading to etch? |
| 22:56.33 | Sebboh | Rahsputin: ;) |
| 22:56.33 | uski | cafuego, well, i try to |
| 22:56.43 | cafuego | uski: What command are you running to do that? |
| 22:56.56 | uski | Hmmmm... how can etch asks for libc6-2.6 where only 2.3 exists ?? oO |
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| 22:57.07 | uski | cafuego, i run "apt-get install" |
| 22:57.18 | cafuego | uski: My bad, you're not upgrading to etch. you're *on* etch. |
| 22:57.27 | cafuego | !info libc6 lenny |
| 22:57.32 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 4309 kB, Installed size: 10416 kB |
| 22:57.46 | Sebboh | anyway, locate bases its results off an index which is only updated once a day??! Just don't use locate in this situation. =) |
| 22:57.48 | uski | oops |
| 22:57.55 | uski | anyway |
| 22:57.57 | cafuego | uski: Looks to me like you're trying to install lenny (testing) apckages on etch (stable). |
| 22:58.04 | cafuego | uski: Fix your sources.list. |
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| 22:58.10 | uski | cafuego, hmm |
| 22:58.20 | Mazingaro | uski: I'm trying 2.6.22 take from unstable :) |
| 22:58.39 | uski | Mazingaro, be careful... see, i must have done something nasty a few weeks ago with my packages and now i'm in trouble |
| 22:58.43 | uski | think twice |
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| 22:59.04 | cafuego | If you install only the kernel deb you'll most likely be fine |
| 22:59.48 | uski | cafuego, i've replaced the sources by stable sources, i'm "apt-get update"ing now... |
| 23:00.05 | uski | blah |
| 23:00.42 | cafuego | uski: easy :-) |
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| 23:00.51 | uski | cafuego, nah, still deosn't work |
| 23:00.55 | uski | omg, same problem |
| 23:01.02 | uski | BUT |
| 23:01.10 | uski | i tried dpkg --configure -a |
| 23:01.11 | uski | and i got: |
| 23:01.16 | uski | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 23:01.17 | uski | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.17 | uski | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.17 | uski | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:01.26 | uski | (this had to happen once) |
| 23:01.38 | uski | it's like the packages are corrupt |
| 23:01.58 | uski | if i want to do apt-get -f install, it wants to remove a bunch of packages without installing anything |
| 23:01.58 | cafuego | More likely the wrong versions are half-installed and now the package system doesn't know what to do. |
| 23:02.13 | cafuego | uski: Yes |
| 23:02.20 | uski | doing that now... |
| 23:02.28 | uski | omg it's removing gcc ! nooo ;) |
| 23:02.29 | cafuego | uski: You need to manually downgrade libc6-dev, locales, binutils |
| 23:02.47 | cafuego | uski: Don't get it remove etch stuff in favour of lenny stuff. |
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| 23:03.24 | uski | hmmm... i accepted. It removed only dev tools, and now i get no error with "apt-get install" |
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| 23:03.42 | uski | it removed binutils, but not locales |
| 23:03.47 | uski | (which is a good thing) |
| 23:03.56 | uski | can i ask for an upgrade to lenny now ? |
| 23:04.11 | uski | replacing "stable" by "lenny" in my sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 23:05.30 | Mazingaro | uski: same kernel panic |
| 23:05.42 | uski | Mazingaro, what's the message associated with the kernel panic ? |
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| 23:05.49 | cafuego | uski: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 23:06.08 | uski | ok, trying that |
| 23:06.10 | Mazingaro | uski: cannot read it shift the first writings |
| 23:06.24 | Mazingaro | uski: it happened during bad cd reading :( |
| 23:06.39 | Mazingaro | uski: I'm trying to copy a file from cd to hd |
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| 23:07.10 | uski | yea; when it happened doesn't matter, it should happen ;) hmm, the kernel panic message contains critical info about where the problem happened |
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| 23:07.12 | uski | typically a backtrace |
| 23:07.31 | uski | try to take a picture of your screen with a digital camera and send it somewhere so that we can see |
| 23:07.52 | Mazingaro | uski: haven't got a camera to do that |
| 23:07.57 | uski | we probably won't be able to solve the problem anyway, but we should be able to tell where the problem happened (probably in the IDe chipset driver) |
| 23:08.15 | uski | then you need to try to interpret the messages by yourself, do you know what a backtrace is ? |
| 23:08.21 | Mazingaro | uski: last lines complains about acpi driver |
| 23:08.29 | Mazingaro | uski: mmmmmmmh |
| 23:08.46 | Mazingaro | uski: registers and stacks snapshot |
| 23:09.00 | uski | Mazingaro, try booting with the kernel flag "noacpi" |
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| 23:09.11 | Mazingaro | uski: will it fix? |
| 23:09.39 | uski | if you use grub, you can do that by selecting the kernel, pressing "e" (like Edit), choosing the line with "root=xxxx", pressing "e" another time, adding "noacpi" at the end, then you press Enter and then "b" like Boot |
| 23:09.44 | uski | Mazingaro, it can |
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| 23:09.57 | Mazingaro | uski: I know how to use grub, let's see... |
| 23:09.59 | uski | i fixed a very nasty problem with "noapic" yesterday (caused by what seems to be a buggy bios) |
| 23:10.06 | uski | good luck ;) |
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| 23:10.19 | blazemonger | is sid useable tright now? |
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| 23:11.04 | Mazingaro | uski: I'm using lapic in kernel command line |
| 23:11.16 | uski | cafuego, i get the problem about libc6/linux-image dependency problem with aptitude upgrade... damn... |
| 23:11.31 | uski | Mazingaro, replace it by "noapic" and try... |
| 23:11.35 | uski | it's not expensive ;) |
| 23:12.08 | uski | noapic noacpi is usually a combination of parameters that solve many problems, it's in fact what i first tried with my problem yesterday |
| 23:12.18 | uski | if it works, you can then try to see if you can remove one of the parameters |
| 23:12.25 | Mazingaro | uski: kernel complais, at boot, about a disabled apic device |
| 23:12.35 | uski | does it boot anyway ? |
| 23:12.39 | blazemonger | i like debian but the packages are dated, but i like ubuntu because of the bleeding edge packages |
| 23:12.44 | Mazingaro | uski: sure |
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| 23:12.56 | uski | blazemonger, install unstable and try again |
| 23:13.00 | dondelelcaro | blazemonger: uh... odds are that the packages in Debian are newer than those in Ubuntu. |
| 23:13.08 | uski | Mazingaro, i think it may be ok... try reading your bad nasty cd |
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| 23:13.18 | blazemonger | even in deb-stable? |
| 23:13.31 | blazemonger | do you think ubuntu uses just backports? |
| 23:13.32 | Mazingaro | uski: reading right now i single user mode |
| 23:13.39 | Mazingaro | uski: here it goes |
| 23:13.50 | uski | blazemonger, debian stable is made for servers and systems that require stability (hence the name), not bleeding edge untested packages which may be unstable... hence the unstable distribution for people like you (and me ;)) |
| 23:13.52 | Mazingaro | uski: reading the bad file right now |
| 23:14.19 | dondelelcaro | blazemonger: no, Ubuntu primarily takes packages from unstable. |
| 23:14.36 | Lycus | I like openbox more than I do flux |
| 23:14.43 | Lycus | But I don't know if it's faster. |
| 23:14.46 | blazemonger | ubuntu seems to make debian slow |
| 23:14.53 | Lycus | blazemonger: I agree. |
| 23:14.59 | Lycus | And I like Ubuntu, but Debian feels snappier. |
| 23:15.24 | Mazingaro | uski: kernel panic (hdd dma time out) |
| 23:15.35 | uski | Mazingaro, oO ok... time to bug report |
| 23:15.47 | uski | let me ask google... |
| 23:16.10 | uski | Sebboh, anything new for you ? |
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| 23:16.36 | Mazingaro | uski: now removing lapic and noacpi and retry |
| 23:17.23 | blazemonger | i want a distro that is more slackware stylee |
| 23:17.24 | uski | Mazingaro, ok. Is that your problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/54366 (YES i know it's ubuntu, but it seems to be a kernel problem) ? |
| 23:17.35 | blazemonger | but slackware doesn't come with gnome |
| 23:17.58 | uski | blazemonger, i'm curious, why don't you like debian ? do you find it slow, ... ? |
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| 23:18.23 | ruben | Hello, trying to use sound using rdesktop I get this error /dev/dsp: No such file or directory, any idea how to fix it? |
| 23:18.23 | Mazingaro | uski: data cd and k7 image |
| 23:18.30 | blazemonger | i just dont like how ubuntu installas proprietary drivers |
| 23:18.43 | uski | the fact that it's a data CD or audio CD is the same for this problem |
| 23:18.52 | blazemonger | debian's great actually all distros are great but it seems like the distros with the newer kernels with this UUID stuff slows down my system |
| 23:19.07 | blazemonger | and i have a p4 2.4ghz with almost a gig of memory |
| 23:19.23 | Mazingaro | uski: hdd: timeout waiting for DMA, but no kernel panic until now |
| 23:19.37 | uski | i expect the panic will come in a few seconds :/ |
| 23:19.46 | Mazingaro | uski: no |
| 23:19.47 | uski | hmm nah forget what i said |
| 23:19.53 | Mazingaro | uski: it's still retrying |
| 23:20.03 | uski | there is no reason it should panic given this message |
| 23:20.07 | uski | we'll see |
| 23:20.09 | Mazingaro | uski: lapic option was removed |
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| 23:20.18 | uski | and it works ? try again to check if it really works |
| 23:20.30 | simonrvn | blazemonger: "this UUID stuff"? |
| 23:20.31 | uski | unless the problem was really always present |
| 23:20.31 | Mazingaro | uski: no panic until now, before has already panic-ed |
| 23:20.35 | uski | ok |
| 23:20.37 | uski | that's interesting |
| 23:21.02 | Mazingaro | uski: no panic, drive stil retrying, no other messages on console |
| 23:21.10 | Mazingaro | uski: trying to stop it |
| 23:21.22 | uski | seems to be good news, then. I don't know if you can stop it easily from retrying |
| 23:21.34 | uski | sometimes the only option is to wait for it to timeout/stop retrying |
| 23:21.36 | Mazingaro | uski: drive not ready for command |
| 23:21.53 | simonrvn | blazemonger: uh whatever distro you're running now has it too, it's in any recent version of mount and kernels in the last oh year, 2 years. it's only perceived slowless you're seeing |
| 23:21.54 | Mazingaro | uski: ctrl+c is useless |
| 23:22.01 | uski | yea... maybe :D... i'm not familiar with the internals of IDE, but this may be normal |
| 23:22.02 | uski | yea |
| 23:22.13 | uski | i've already observed this on many situations, i don't think it's a problem |
| 23:22.43 | Mazingaro | uski: stopped! |
| 23:22.47 | uski | ;à |
| 23:22.48 | uski | :) |
| 23:22.50 | Mazingaro | uski: a lot of error on disk :) |
| 23:23.01 | uski | but no panic :) |
| 23:23.14 | uski | i hate this kind of bugs |
| 23:23.18 | uski | i never know where i can report it |
| 23:23.33 | Mazingaro | uski: no panic, system is alive and kicking |
| 23:23.40 | uski | and i always feel like i've discovered something that can be fixed easily by one developer, but i have no way of reaching this developer |
| 23:23.55 | Mazingaro | uski: now I wanna see |
| 23:24.06 | Mazingaro | uski: lapic situation from dmesg, wait |
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| 23:24.54 | Mazingaro | uski: Local APIC disable by BIOS -- you can enable it with "lapic" |
| 23:24.55 | uski | the apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller, but what's a Lapix ? |
| 23:24.59 | uski | ok Local APIC |
| 23:25.05 | sarixe | for repositories, is 'lenny' the same as 'testing'? |
| 23:25.12 | uski | hmm mybe there is a good reason that the bios disable the lapic ? |
| 23:25.26 | uski | (buggy, unsupported hardware, conflicting hardware, i don't know) |
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| 23:25.57 | uski | sarixe, i'm tempted to say "yes" but given the problems I currently have with APT... don't listen to me on this one |
| 23:26.06 | sarixe | heh |
| 23:26.31 | uski | i'm trying to install a 2.6 kernel, each second i spend trying to do that is one second less sleeping... damn |
| 23:27.10 | Mazingaro | uski: I've got an athlon 1200MHz so is there a lapic on that kind of board? |
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| 23:27.18 | uski | in fact, it seems that linux-2.6 requires a new initramfs tools, which use a new libc6, which requires a 2.6 kernel to be installed... and as I4m running 2.4, i'm owned |
| 23:27.29 | uski | Mazingaro, i have no idea |
| 23:27.54 | dondelelcaro | well, you definetly need to be running >> 2.6.8 when you're running unstable. |
| 23:27.57 | simonrvn | uski: supported in etch, what are talking about? |
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| 23:28.05 | simonrvn | are you* |
| 23:28.33 | sarixe | uski : what's the problem with you installing 2.6? just do it. |
| 23:28.55 | uski | sarixe, simonrvn : i try everything from scratch, it's not possible, i must be doing something badly, i try again and i tell you |
| 23:28.59 | Mazingaro | uski: lapic is not present on a7m266... because it's a single processor board... |
| 23:29.12 | Mazingaro | uski: oh my |
| 23:29.25 | uski | Mazingaro, i see... the Local APIC is for systems where you have many CPUs... hence the "local"... local to one cpu |
| 23:29.26 | uski | :) |
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| 23:29.41 | sarixe | from scratch? |
| 23:29.44 | sarixe | how so? |
| 23:29.51 | uski | ok, "apt-get install" doesn't say anything. I continue |
| 23:30.20 | Mazingaro | uski: a7m266 is the same board as a7m266-d (dual processor), maybe lapic is hardware disabled on my board |
| 23:30.25 | lindenl1 | xine cannot play mp3s...amarok...anyone? |
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| 23:30.40 | sarixe | lindenl1 : yes it can |
| 23:30.47 | sarixe | install xmms-mad |
| 23:30.57 | lindenl1 | sarixe: thanks that is what i needed ;) |
| 23:31.04 | sarixe | :D |
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| 23:31.52 | uski | sarixe, simonrvn : nevermind, it worked !!! (after 2 hours of doing presumably stupid things), thanks a lot all ! |
| 23:32.06 | sarixe | lol, what happened? |
| 23:32.13 | Mazingaro | uski: ok, thanks |
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| 23:32.31 | uski | it seems that (but i'm unsure, i tried so many different things !) that i tried to install testing or unstable kernel images on a stable system |
| 23:32.53 | uski | another experience to learn me that i should proceed with more method |
| 23:33.03 | sarixe | haha |
| 23:33.15 | uski | in fact, i didn't work on this system for several weeks |
| 23:33.18 | sarixe | just do a dist-upgrade to testing or unstable or whatever |
| 23:33.22 | uski | so i didn't remember what i've done on it when i tried |
| 23:33.35 | uski | when i've worked on it at the timeù |
| 23:33.35 | uski | * |
| 23:33.45 | uski | today, when i tried upgrading the kernel |
| 23:33.49 | uski | there was "testing" in the sources.list |
| 23:33.54 | uski | so i assumed the system was... a testing system |
| 23:34.00 | uski | ... |
| 23:34.02 | sarixe | not necessarily |
| 23:34.10 | uski | but it was "stable" |
| 23:34.15 | sarixe | you probably forgot to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:34.19 | uski | yea |
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| 23:34.55 | uski | i'll now reboot to the new 2.6 kernel, and if it boots (hopefully), i give you all a virtual beer ;) |
| 23:36.11 | sarixe | wtf... my panel is freaking out |
| 23:36.13 | sarixe | it froze |
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| 23:36.30 | uski | panel ? |
| 23:36.37 | sarixe | gnome panel |
| 23:36.51 | uski | reboot your computer |
| 23:36.53 | uski | oops sorry |
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| 23:36.57 | uski | i thought i was on #windows |
| 23:36.57 | uski | ;) |
| 23:37.00 | sarixe | brb... time to ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 23:37.01 | uski | (just trying to be fun :)) |
| 23:37.03 | sarixe | lol |
| 23:37.05 | uski | LOL |
| 23:37.13 | uski | in fact i was not that away from the truth ;) |
| 23:37.17 | sarixe | haha |
| 23:37.29 | sarixe | just restarting X, not quite as long a wait :D |
| 23:37.30 | sarixe | brb |
| 23:37.35 | uski | yeaaaaaaaaaah my box pings :D |
| 23:37.42 | uski | time to ssh into it |
| 23:37.47 | uski | i love you all :D |
| 23:38.09 | uski | oO it's 2.4.32 :'( |
| 23:38.10 | uski | wtf |
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| 23:39.24 | uski | sarixe, is your panel alive now ? :) |
| 23:39.27 | sarixe | yep |
| 23:39.43 | sarixe | i had to ctrl-alt-backspace, then find out that it was already running, so it wouldn't start another |
| 23:39.52 | sarixe | then i ctrl-alt-f1'd and killall'd it |
| 23:40.05 | uski | it seems i'm on my "i do stupid things" day. my box rebooted on the old kernel. note for next time: take a short look at grub's menu.lst before rebooting. |
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| 23:40.11 | sarixe | then went back and ctrl-alt-backspace'd again |
| 23:40.45 | uski | next time listen to me, do a reboot immediatly, it would have took you less time ;) |
| 23:41.14 | sarixe | lol |
| 23:41.32 | sarixe | but then i'd have to stop my DAP... (mp3 player plugged into the line-in) |
| 23:41.43 | uski | (ok, this time i have my 2.6.18 :D rather old, but newer than a 2.4.32 and allowing my IDE controller card to work... that's all i wanted) |
| 23:41.53 | uski | why ? |
| 23:42.03 | sarixe | because... alsa would shut off |
| 23:42.14 | uski | if you don't tell the mp3 player you didn't listen to him a few seconds, he would never know |
| 23:42.15 | sarixe | and i'd be left without audio |
| 23:42.30 | sarixe | but i like to listen to music continuously, not broken up |
| 23:42.36 | sarixe | lol |
| 23:43.15 | uski | hmmm, you could make an automatic emergency switch, like an UPS, which switches the line-out of the MP3 player directly to the speakers if the spearkers don't output anything for more than half a second |
| 23:43.22 | uski | (if you have time to loose) |
| 23:43.40 | sarixe | O.o |
| 23:43.43 | sarixe | lol |
| 23:44.21 | uski | (i'm an electronic engineer, i always make strange things; nevermind) |
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| 23:44.29 | sarixe | lol |
| 23:44.41 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 23:44.50 | DukeDrake | how can I check is a certain port is accessible from outside? |
| 23:45.18 | uski | DukeDrake, you ask me and i try to telnet into the given port |
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| 23:45.25 | Creed | Anyone here have experience with OpenVPN in bridged mode for gaming? |
| 23:45.29 | K`zan | Trying to figure out how to get sound redirected to a bluetooth headset, much lost at the moment, it seems it should be possible?!? |
| 23:45.33 | DukeDrake | hm... might work |
| 23:45.48 | DukeDrake | any other ideas? |
| 23:46.24 | uski | yea... use any web hosting service with PHP enabled and open a tcp connection to your port (i think the instruction is "connect"). you specify a timeout in seconds, and it returns an error if it timeouts |
| 23:46.36 | uski | you would then receive the connection from the host running php |
| 23:46.45 | uski | is that ok for you ? :) |
| 23:46.54 | uski | or you ssh into a remote box, and you telnet to the port to be tested |
| 23:46.57 | uski | or ... |
| 23:47.32 | DukeDrake | I'd like to do it without php though o.o |
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| 23:47.57 | uski | you can also use XSS to redirect innocent browsers retying to request webpages from the port to be tested; you then see with a sniffer if your pc responds to the connection requests or not |
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| 23:48.16 | uski | (hmm forget this one) |
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| 23:50.08 | unilynx | What's a good up to date reference for Debian? |
| 23:50.21 | Spiritus55 | forums.debian.net |
| 23:50.31 | unilynx | I mean as far as books go |
| 23:50.32 | explody | wiki.debian.org? |
| 23:50.40 | Spiritus55 | Wait, I forgot the most popular answer. |
| 23:50.45 | Spiritus55 | "gewglez" |
| 23:50.47 | explody | rtfm? |
| 23:50.49 | dondelelcaro | unilynx: depends on what part you're looking for information about |
| 23:50.51 | uski | is it a good thing if nothing shows up on dmesg when i load a module ? namely pdc202xx_new and pdc202xx_old ... |
| 23:50.57 | uski | (definitely not my day) |
| 23:50.58 | unilynx | haw |
| 23:51.01 | explody | I'm kidding ;) |
| 23:51.12 | dondelelcaro | unilynx: _The Debian System_ is pretty good, and the Debian Reference is also useful |
| 23:51.17 | DukeDrake | night |
| 23:51.20 | unilynx | alrighty |
| 23:51.24 | unilynx | thanks |
| 23:51.27 | Spiritus55 | I know this is a nub question. |
| 23:51.28 | uski | DukeDrake: you're welcome. ://// |
| 23:51.36 | Spiritus55 | But, where are programs at after you get them from apt-get? |
| 23:51.43 | Spiritus55 | Like, I got wine a few minutes ago. |
| 23:51.47 | Spiritus55 | Where is it now? |
| 23:51.48 | uski | Spiritus55, they are... installed |
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| 23:51.54 | unilynx | haw |
| 23:52.00 | Spiritus55 | Yeah, but like windows has "program files" |
| 23:52.02 | explody | where are init symlinks in packages normally handled? Are they typically created in the postinst, or just as files in the package? |
| 23:52.05 | Spiritus55 | What does linux have? |
| 23:52.13 | dondelelcaro | explody: they're created in the postinst |
| 23:52.15 | explody | and yes I'm being lazy by not looking myself |
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| 23:52.17 | uski | Spiritus55, /usb/bin, /bin mostly |
| 23:52.21 | dondelelcaro | explody: policy explains exactly how to do it |
| 23:52.25 | uski | but also /usr/lib for libraries, and so on |
| 23:52.28 | Spiritus55 | So, /bin/wine? |
| 23:52.35 | dondelelcaro | wine should be in /usr/bin/wine |
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| 23:52.40 | explody | dondelelcaro: cool thanks |
| 23:52.59 | dondelelcaro | the only thing that goes in /bin are things that are needed early on during the boot process before /usr has been mounted |
| 23:53.15 | dondelelcaro | (likewise with /sbin) |
| 23:53.20 | Spiritus55 | Okk. |
| 23:53.43 | dondelelcaro | the general rule is if it isn't already installed, it belongs in /usr |
| 23:53.45 | uski | anyone knows why "usr" is called "usr" ? like "user" ? "universal system repository" ? sth else ? |
| 23:53.46 | Spiritus55 | So most programs and whatnot are downloaded to /usr/bin? |
| 23:54.01 | dondelelcaro | Spiritus55: or /usr/sbin or /usr/share or /usr/lib or /var/ or ... |
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| 23:54.14 | Spiritus55 | ./usr/share is like shared programs in windows right? |
| 23:54.16 | explody | dondelelcaro: "dondelelcaro: explody: rtfm ffs http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit" |
| 23:54.23 | dondelelcaro | Spiritus55: if you really want to know where they end up and why, check out FHS |
| 23:54.29 | kk | Spiritus55, if you're downloading the binaries without using the package manager, /opt is probably a better place |
| 23:54.35 | Spiritus55 | Fhs, define that, please? |
| 23:54.37 | uski | Spiritus55, the packages you get from apt are made of several things. You have the programs, in /usr/bin, but also some libraries, configuration files, and other misc data files |
| 23:54.44 | uski | each belongs to a specific directory of the system |
| 23:54.47 | dondelelcaro | !fhs |
| 23:54.47 | dpkg | hmm... fhs is Unlike Gobolinux or OS X, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package |
| 23:54.51 | Spiritus55 | Alright. |
| 23:55.15 | jakub_ | kurec |
| 23:55.22 | jakub_ | please anyoe from USA |
| 23:55.24 | dondelelcaro | Spiritus55: to answer your question, /usr/share is not for shared programs, it's for architecture independent files which are not machine specific. |
| 23:55.28 | dondelelcaro | jakub_: just ask your question |
| 23:55.35 | jakub_ | what electrical "gates" do you have |
| 23:55.38 | Spiritus55 | Oh, alright. |
| 23:55.40 | Spiritus55 | Thanks. |
| 23:55.45 | jakub_ | i have notebook and i need to recharge my book at usa |
| 23:55.46 | dondelelcaro | jakub_: gates in what sense? |
| 23:55.53 | uski | oh by the way, about read only filesystems... does debian require a readwrite filesystem of can i make the root filesystem permanently read only after i configured the system ? the idea is to install a debian to a flash disk to make a printer server (for example) |
| 23:55.54 | jakub_ | i dont know how to say it :-) |
| 23:56.02 | jakub_ | i pick up the end of cable to "gate" :-) |
| 23:56.08 | dondelelcaro | jakub_: it's 110V 60 cycles with a numa connector |
| 23:56.10 | uski | i could mount /tmp in a ramfs, and put all the other things in a read only fs |
| 23:56.13 | jakub_ | yes |
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| 23:56.20 | jakub_ | i have european connector |
| 23:56.28 | jakub_ | central european - germany |
| 23:56.34 | uski | jakub_, you need an adapter |
| 23:56.36 | jakub_ | germans have same as czech republic |
| 23:56.40 | jakub_ | fuck |
| 23:56.45 | jakub_ | adapter ? |
| 23:56.54 | uski | AND, you need to be sure your power supply handles the 110V present in the USA |
| 23:56.58 | dondelelcaro | jakub_: yerp; you can get them in most electronics stores |
| 23:57.00 | jakub_ | yes |
| 23:57.00 | uski | in Europe you have 220V (I live in France) |
| 23:57.09 | uski | (and I'll move to the USA in less than 36h) |
| 23:57.14 | uski | I have bought some adapters |
| 23:57.16 | dondelelcaro | yeah, most laptop power supplies are dual-voltage, but you should check |
| 23:57.20 | jakub_ | power is not problem the "generator" have 110~250 / 50 - 60 Hz |
| 23:57.28 | uski | these convert your European plug to a American plug |
| 23:57.32 | jakub_ | yes i know |
| 23:57.35 | uski | you can find cheap adapters on eBay |
| 23:57.36 | jakub_ | i`m electrician :D |
| 23:57.44 | uski | jakub_, :) |
| 23:57.52 | jakub_ | but do i need adapter ? |
| 23:57.55 | jakub_ | okay i need |
| 23:57.55 | jakub_ | ;-) |
| 23:58.00 | uski | you need a passive adapter |
| 23:58.00 | jakub_ | damn |
| 23:58.04 | jakub_ | i think |
| 23:58.05 | uski | just a piece of plastic and metal |
| 23:58.06 | uski | nothing else |
| 23:58.08 | Spiritus55 | so /dev is /device? Like all the things plugged in or used by the computer (mice, keyboard, etc.) their drivers and other info are stored there, right? |
| 23:58.13 | jakub_ | i must do homemade |
| 23:58.20 | jakub_ | :-D |
| 23:58.24 | uski | but if you're an electrician... find a device in the trash that doesn't work, take the american plug, cut your european plug and put the american one |
| 23:58.25 | uski | yea |
| 23:58.25 | jakub_ | i travel to usa in 2 days |
| 23:58.26 | uski | do that |
| 23:58.37 | uski | well, do you know Farnell ? |
| 23:58.45 | uski | they have adapters |
| 23:58.48 | jakub_ | no |
| 23:58.50 | dondelelcaro | jakub_: you also may just want to get a IEC adapter |
| 23:58.56 | uski | you can buy these at any electrician shop, and you won't pay much |
| 23:59.02 | jakub_ | i will look at czech republic |
| 23:59.14 | jakub_ | we are not old country :-) |
| 23:59.19 | jakub_ | we must have adapters too |
| 23:59.20 | dondelelcaro | jakub_: since if you have a female IEC, it's trivial to get US male IEC |
| 23:59.20 | uski | jakub_, or as dondelelcaro said, you can also get a full plug with the wire |
| 23:59.29 | jakub_ | yeah :D |
| 23:59.31 | explody | hm weird, the policy manual doesn't cover post/pre inst scripts? |
| 23:59.36 | jakub_ | please |
| 23:59.39 | jakub_ | for my better english |
| 23:59.40 | dondelelcaro | explody: it does, actually. |
| 23:59.44 | jakub_ | how to say "electrical gate" ?:-) |
| 23:59.50 | uski | jakub_, socket ? |
| 23:59.53 | jakub_ | socket ? |
