| 00:00.01 | abrotman | http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:00.15 | abrotman | Arrick: ^^ |
| 00:00.20 | abrotman | too bad it's r0 |
| 00:00.27 | stoned | gdm uses X which calls xorg.conf |
| 00:00.28 | dondelelcaro | Arrick: http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/linux/mirrors/debian-cdimage/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:00.45 | stoned | Smerdyakov: the first resolution listed is the one used |
| 00:00.51 | abrotman | ah .. r1 is better! |
| 00:01.01 | Arrick | thas better, that one works, thanks |
| 00:01.03 | Smerdyakov | stoned, I know that's what it supposed to happen, but it just isn't happening. |
| 00:01.21 | jetscreamer | hey Arrick after you get that installed and updated, will you plz tell me the value of uname -r (the default kernel) |
| 00:01.24 | dondelelcaro | Arrick: you may be able to find a faster mirror that has R1, but it looks like things got jacked when cdimage went down; don't know what it's status is. |
| 00:01.36 | Arrick | sure, if you remind me |
| 00:01.38 | sparr | jetscreamer: it will stop when of is full? |
| 00:01.43 | jetscreamer | k thanks Arrick |
| 00:01.56 | jetscreamer | sparr: yeah it will stop when it can't go any further |
| 00:02.01 | jetscreamer | takes a while |
| 00:02.09 | stoned | Smerdyakov: can you double check.. or maybe /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and look for the server command line, ServerCmd i think |
| 00:02.14 | stoned | Smerdyakov: I am a kde user :/ |
| 00:02.17 | Arrick | jetscreamer got 50 minutes for the image to complete |
| 00:02.19 | sparr | jetscreamer: any reason to write zeros instead of random? |
| 00:02.35 | Smerdyakov | stoned, I don't know what you mean by "double check." The first resolution in xorg.conf is used _after_ I successfully log in, but without a doubt not before. |
| 00:02.36 | jetscreamer | sparr: well for one random might take you >1 day |
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| 00:02.43 | abrotman | sparr: 0 is faster |
| 00:02.48 | Arrick | spar, if you want it secure, 0 is fine, with 4 or more passed |
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| 00:02.51 | jetscreamer | plus you're not trying to hide stuff from the dea |
| 00:02.58 | unknwn | ey, im installing vmware and it keeps asking me this: What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? |
| 00:03.01 | Smerdyakov | stoned, and my gdm.conf has no uncommented content besides [section] headings. |
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| 00:03.04 | unknwn | im running etch |
| 00:03.09 | abrotman | unknwn: ask #vmware |
| 00:03.12 | unknwn | i did |
| 00:03.14 | jetscreamer | the new thing for gdm.conf is it's empty |
| 00:03.16 | unknwn | no answer |
| 00:03.19 | unknwn | i googled also |
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| 00:03.22 | unknwn | no answer |
| 00:03.32 | jetscreamer | the default's are in /usr/share/gdm/default.conf or so i think |
| 00:03.36 | abrotman | maybe libc6-dev ? |
| 00:03.42 | Drevay | on OVGuide the error totem gives me is There is no input plugin to handle the location of this movie |
| 00:03.47 | unknwn | abrotman: ? |
| 00:03.53 | jetscreamer | what are you trying to do, Smerdyakov ? |
| 00:03.55 | Drevay | tried mplayer tried vlc |
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| 00:04.00 | Drevay | tried xine |
| 00:04.09 | sparr | Arrick: not secure, just blank :) |
| 00:04.10 | Smerdyakov | jetscreamer, I am trying to set the resolution for the gdm log-in screen. |
| 00:04.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:04.22 | stoned | Smerdyakov: what you are experiencing is that you have another resolution, the one you want specified in gnome (also the same in kde) which gnome/kde apply AFTER X loads with a display manager. At least this the behaviour I have noticed. to have gdm load with the same resolution, you have to specify it as the first one in xorg.conf |
| 00:04.24 | mbroeker | unknwn, the location: /usr/include/linux |
| 00:04.31 | stoned | I don't think I'm wrong, but I might be |
| 00:04.49 | jetscreamer | i never got that one... i can get it to be set 'after' login, but gdm... |
| 00:05.08 | jetscreamer | you can just take the modes out you don't want .. xorg.conf |
| 00:05.14 | stoned | jetscreamer: thats what I do |
| 00:05.19 | stoned | I have only one mode |
| 00:05.23 | Smerdyakov | stoned, resolutions only appear in one place in my xorg.conf, and the one I want is first. |
| 00:05.27 | stoned | 1600x1200 times 2 monitors :) |
| 00:05.34 | Drevay | hey i'm curious, i downlioaded the latest Flash from Adobe for Linux and i can't seem to get past where it asks for the location of mozilla |
| 00:05.34 | jetscreamer | i use 1280 or 1024 depending on how blind i feel |
| 00:05.36 | stoned | Smerdyakov: so remove the ones you don't want |
| 00:05.41 | Smerdyakov | stoned, doing that now. |
| 00:05.43 | Drevay | what is the location of mozilla on Debian? |
| 00:05.44 | stoned | Smerdyakov: comment out the original line |
| 00:05.45 | Drevay | etch |
| 00:05.55 | stoned | Smerdyakov: make a new modes line and put your desired res there |
| 00:05.57 | jetscreamer | Drevay: you want to enable marillat's stuff i think |
| 00:06.08 | Drevay | ok |
| 00:06.23 | jetscreamer | Drevay: ~/.mozilla maybe... |
| 00:06.26 | abrotman | Drevay: /usr/lib/<browser>/plugins/ .. drop the .so in there |
| 00:06.31 | Arrick | wow, dondelelcaro thats still sitting at 0% |
| 00:06.38 | Drevay | thanks |
| 00:06.48 | abrotman | http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:06.51 | abrotman | Arrick: ^^ ? |
| 00:06.54 | abrotman | is that any better ? |
| 00:06.58 | abrotman | even though it's r0 |
| 00:06.59 | dondelelcaro | Arrick: well, I didn't actually try to download it |
| 00:07.05 | Arrick | lol |
| 00:07.30 | unknwn | mbroeker: nope |
| 00:07.45 | jetscreamer | if you use r0 i don't care about the uname -r btw :) |
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| 00:07.57 | jetscreamer | i know that's 2.6.18-4 |
| 00:08.06 | mbroeker | unknwn, maybe your config is broken. but the headers are there thrust me. check your config, install linux-headers or linux source |
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| 00:08.35 | Smerdyakov | Didn't help. :-( |
| 00:08.48 | Arrick | hey, the last one is working, thanks |
| 00:08.54 | jetscreamer | unknwn: /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 00:08.56 | stoned | Arrick: hey man |
| 00:09.16 | mbroeker | trust and thrust. i cannot get it. what is what i mean? |
| 00:09.19 | stoned | jetscreamer: you never got any pm? |
| 00:09.31 | Arrick | yeah stoned |
| 00:09.37 | abrotman | Arrick: http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso .. better ? |
| 00:09.41 | stoned | what are you doing in debian ? |
| 00:09.52 | stoned | I thought you were a hardcore windows junkie ;) |
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| 00:09.56 | Kaiten4 | I am building a new kernel, I have a K8 64bit processor, running 32 bit Debian. Under "Processor Type and Features" in make menuconfig, should I select K8 or K7 as a processor type? ( I don't need 64 bit support, I don't want to break a fully 32 bit system) |
| 00:10.01 | Arrick | definately, almost 400kbps |
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| 00:10.59 | jetscreamer | Kaiten4: i would 'guess' k8 since it's actually a k8, but i do not know |
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| 00:11.43 | stoned | Smerdyakov: any luck |
| 00:11.48 | Kaiten4 | jetscreamer: My temptation as well, but I do not want a 64 bit kernel if it breaks 32 bit in any way. Since all k8 are 64 bit and all k7 are 32. |
| 00:11.50 | Smerdyakov | stoned, no, it didn't change anything. |
| 00:11.58 | snowbird | hey stoned |
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| 00:12.01 | stoned | hi |
| 00:12.02 | jetscreamer | stoned: answer the man... :) |
| 00:12.05 | stoned | who? |
| 00:12.12 | jetscreamer | Kaiten4: |
| 00:12.18 | snowbird | stoned samba gone i alowed net bios |
| 00:12.19 | stoned | he didn't ask me anything |
| 00:12.23 | snowbird | see if error gone |
| 00:12.26 | stoned | Kaiten4: were you ever talking to me? |
| 00:12.28 | jetscreamer | he didn't ask me anything either |
| 00:12.34 | jetscreamer | i don't have a k8 |
| 00:12.36 | jetscreamer | you do |
| 00:12.40 | stoned | well is he asking about ati? |
| 00:12.44 | Kaiten4 | stoned: No, I don't believe I was |
| 00:12.44 | stoned | no I don't |
| 00:12.45 | jetscreamer | no, kernel |
| 00:12.46 | stoned | I have a core 2 |
| 00:12.49 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 00:12.51 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 00:12.53 | stoned | no I don't :) |
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| 00:12.55 | stoned | ok |
| 00:12.58 | snowbird | vore 2? |
| 00:13.02 | stoned | vore? |
| 00:13.08 | stoned | I said core dude |
| 00:13.10 | snowbird | stoned should help my error i hope |
| 00:13.14 | snowbird | core 2? |
| 00:13.16 | Kaiten4 | Vore 2 Quo |
| 00:13.23 | stoned | um |
| 00:13.30 | jetscreamer | quid pro coreduo |
| 00:13.36 | stoned | snowbird: what error.. try not to single me out, I'm not the fountain of all debian knowledge |
| 00:13.43 | Kaiten4 | uthlon |
| 00:13.52 | snowbird | that one i posted yesterday |
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| 00:13.53 | stoned | jetscreamer: now thats funny lol |
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| 00:14.00 | stoned | snowbird: dropping incoming packets? |
| 00:14.05 | snowbird | yeah |
| 00:14.08 | stoned | snowbird: I told you I don't know |
| 00:14.16 | stoned | its some samba related shit |
| 00:14.21 | snowbird | right u gave me things t try |
| 00:14.25 | jetscreamer | i hear tell a 64 bit kernel works just fine with a 32bit os Kaiten4 , but once again, i do not know |
| 00:14.40 | snowbird | samb shit gone bye bye |
| 00:14.41 | stoned | snowbird: they wouldn't have worked anyway, because I suggested things based on a misunderstanding |
| 00:14.46 | snowbird | nomore samba |
| 00:14.49 | jetscreamer | there's funny stuff to get nvidia going though, but it does go |
| 00:14.55 | Drevay | this is the error i get Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey, |
| 00:14.55 | Drevay | or Firefox browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 00:14.55 | Drevay | dir= /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 00:14.55 | Drevay | WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. |
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| 00:15.08 | Drevay | :S |
| 00:15.11 | stoned | yeh |
| 00:15.15 | Kaiten4 | jetscreamer: right. My main worry was the ati driver not compiling. |
| 00:15.18 | stoned | !paster Drevay |
| 00:15.19 | dpkg | Drevay: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 00:15.23 | nevyn | how do I re-generate availlible? |
| 00:15.26 | Drevay | ok sorry :S |
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| 00:15.53 | TCW | hi folks |
| 00:15.57 | jetscreamer | Kaiten4: yeah fglrx would probably be funny also like that |
| 00:15.59 | stoned | hi |
| 00:16.01 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 00:16.08 | nevyn | I'm getting a parse error in /var/lib/dpkg/available is it safe to just rm the file and go from there? |
| 00:16.08 | stoned | fglrx isn't bad, unless you need composite |
| 00:16.14 | stoned | I do gaming in linux with it, its not bad |
| 00:16.22 | Kaiten4 | It's bad for me |
| 00:16.26 | stoned | it could be a whole hell of a lot better, but whatever |
| 00:16.32 | stoned | thats what I get for buying ati |
| 00:16.35 | jetscreamer | it's the actually installing fglrx i would worry about |
| 00:16.41 | Kaiten4 | Ati mobility accleration =! decent |
| 00:16.46 | jetscreamer | if you got it installed i imagine it would work fine |
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| 00:17.08 | snowbird | ati is amd now no drivers |
| 00:17.12 | TCW | I can't remember, there was a tool you provide a simpel textfile with "user: password" one per line and you run that tool with this file as an argument and it generated the accounts... any hints? |
| 00:17.20 | Kaiten4 | I just want to take my laptop to a windows computer class and show off some xgl |
| 00:17.25 | stoned | I fact, on debian alone (other distros xgl works like a slug) Xgl+fglrx+3D is not bad |
| 00:17.32 | stoned | its almost as fast as anything else |
| 00:17.38 | Drevay | this is the error i get when i try to install the flash plugin http://rafb.net/p/4baC6k66.html |
| 00:17.39 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian .. aiglx is |
| 00:17.46 | dondelelcaro | TCW: it's called newusers |
| 00:17.51 | Kaiten4 | stoned: I have never been able to install xgl on testing yet, how did you manage it? |
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| 00:17.52 | Drevay | i want to use the latest and not the one from marrilot because i'm having problems with that |
| 00:17.59 | TCW | dondelelcaro, ahh... muchas gracias! |
| 00:18.11 | stoned | Drevay: try ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 00:18.11 | dondelelcaro | TCW: though doing that is generally not such a hot idea. |
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| 00:18.16 | Drevay | k |
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| 00:18.40 | Kaiten4 | wern't they supposed to be open sourcing ati drivers? |
| 00:18.40 | TCW | dondelelcaro, why? |
| 00:18.44 | Drevay | nope, no dive :s |
| 00:18.46 | gravity | pffft |
| 00:18.46 | Drevay | *dice |
| 00:18.56 | stoned | Drevay: what are you doing? how are you installing the flash plugin? |
| 00:19.12 | Kaiten4 | stoned: adobe provided script as far as I can tell |
| 00:19.13 | jetscreamer | ahh mr gravity ... savage sucks for 3d! |
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| 00:19.23 | azeem | W42 |
| 00:19.25 | azeem | bah |
| 00:19.26 | jetscreamer | !blame gravity |
| 00:19.26 | stoned | Drevay: download the tar.gz flash plugin from adobe, and extract it, copy libflash something.so to ~/.mozilla/plugins and you're golden |
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| 00:19.31 | gravity | jetscreamer: Sucks how? |
| 00:19.33 | purpoze | hey guys, anybody know why i do a 'ipcrm -m shmid' and it wont remove the shmid ? |
| 00:19.34 | stoned | OR run the flashplayer installer script in the archive |
| 00:19.37 | purpoze | the shmid has been detached for a long time now, and it still wont remove it |
| 00:19.37 | Drevay | ./flashplayerinstaller then it asks for the directory then i enter it and it complains |
| 00:19.47 | Drevay | ok |
| 00:19.48 | dondelelcaro | TCW: because you've generally got the plaintext passwords sitting around... 'course, in most computing environments where you'd use newusers, it's not like the passwords are going to be particularly secure anyway. |
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| 00:19.53 | jetscreamer | gravity: 8192gpu mem isn't enough for 24bit 3d :( |
| 00:20.00 | stoned | Drevay: don't enter a directory just hit enter afaik |
| 00:20.11 | jetscreamer | and the 16bit seems to have a bug where it locks xorg |
| 00:20.15 | jetscreamer | at least for me |
| 00:20.17 | gravity | Oh fun |
| 00:20.22 | squisher | does anyone know about an nfs(4) kernel bug even in the 2.6.22? |
| 00:20.24 | jetscreamer | but |
| 00:20.28 | jetscreamer | the fix is |
| 00:20.30 | jetscreamer | !savage |
| 00:20.31 | dpkg | http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html, or if it locks up when 3d is enabled, try Option "DmaMode" "Vertex" in the Device section of xorg.conf |
| 00:20.32 | stoned | squisher: check bts? |
| 00:20.47 | gravity | ah |
| 00:20.48 | squisher | stoned: duh... yeah, will do |
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| 00:21.18 | Drevay | tried that already hmm |
| 00:21.20 | stoned | Sublime |
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| 00:21.41 | stoned | Drevay: just copy the files to ~/.mozilla/plugins |
| 00:21.42 | jetscreamer | apparenty my laptop has agp2x also, but xorg was putting it into 1x , until i used the agpspeed directive in xorg.conf |
| 00:21.49 | stoned | Drevay: the .so file and the .xpm file |
| 00:21.50 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 00:21.55 | gonzaloaf | offtopic: hi, whats the meaning of RC1 ? |
| 00:22.02 | stoned | release candidate 1 |
| 00:22.20 | Kaiten4 | Is a preemptive kernel good for a regular gnome workstation? |
| 00:22.28 | jetscreamer | desktop yes |
| 00:22.35 | gonzaloaf | stoned, ooh thanks |
| 00:22.46 | jetscreamer | Kaiten4: desktop/workstation yes |
| 00:22.52 | purpoze | what is a preemptive kernel? |
| 00:22.53 | Kaiten4 | ie:movies, firefox, quake |
| 00:23.00 | azeem | purpoze: google/wikipedia it |
| 00:23.04 | Kaiten4 | ok |
| 00:23.17 | TCW | dondelelcaro, I am aware that the passwords are in a plaintext and that is a good thing as this file must be human readable. For sure, after using this file it is moved away the box, I keep a secured copy and the costumer keeps a copy on a CD with other sensible data like company e-mail passwords, accounts etc. and this CD is kept in a vault / safe / set in concrete |
| 00:23.19 | jetscreamer | uh...... something about being able to kill oopies or something i forget |
| 00:23.29 | jetscreamer | it's in the kernel docs though |
| 00:23.42 | jetscreamer | err oopsieses |
| 00:23.43 | purpoze | azeem: ok |
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| 00:23.48 | dondelelcaro | TCW: well, the point really was that for customer stuff, you'd actually want the users to imediately change their passwords |
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| 00:23.53 | dondelelcaro | TCW: such things shouldn't be kept at all |
| 00:24.22 | TCW | dondelelcaro, no sorry... in this case it is a policy thing, in general you are right |
| 00:24.36 | Drevay | ok thanks guys :) later, must go home :) |
| 00:24.38 | TCW | "the boss wants it that way" |
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| 00:25.13 | squisher | stoned: hmm, nothing in the debian bts... on 2.6.20.4 I get oops when I shut down a lot, sometimes while I work. On 2.6.22 it oops a lot |
| 00:25.33 | squisher | google finds some stuff from feb. 2007, but I'd assume that's fixed already, so I'm not sure |
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| 00:26.03 | stoned | squisher: dunno man |
| 00:26.39 | squisher | stoned: crap, it's pretty annoying. Thanks anyways |
| 00:26.47 | stoned | yep |
| 00:26.55 | stoned | I like yngwie malmsteen |
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| 00:27.37 | dondelelcaro | TCW: yeah, in those situatations, I generally require whoever is employing me to direct me to do that sort of thing in writing |
| 00:27.48 | Kaiten4 | I've noticed that debian testing boots very swiftly now, why is this? |
| 00:27.51 | dondelelcaro | TCW: that generally clues them in that it's not a particularly good idea. |
| 00:28.03 | stoned | Kaiten4: I'm on sid, I think its even smoother |
| 00:28.16 | TCW | dondelelcaro, root / Administrator is "god" anyway, so there is no real point in letting the users change their own passwords to prevent anything. Sad to say but in this case the costumer wants it exactly that way (boss wants to be able to log in wherever and with whom account he wants to whatever service. |
| 00:28.17 | stoned | Kaiten4: debian is just soo amazing, you know |
| 00:28.19 | Kaiten4 | And is there anything I need to set in my new kernel to keep it this way? |
| 00:28.37 | dondelelcaro | TCW: yeah, but he can always do that using the root account |
| 00:28.47 | jetscreamer | he could su user anytime |
| 00:29.19 | TCW | dondelelcaro, _very good_ point, I almost forgot that... I wwill add that to the policy (the thing about how this is all managed and that boss wants it that way). |
| 00:29.37 | TCW | dondelelcaro, no, he can't ;) he's the dumbed user you can imagine ;) |
| 00:29.44 | TCW | dumbest even |
| 00:30.09 | dondelelcaro | TCW: yeah, figured as much... that's why I usually want them to specifically direct me |
| 00:30.11 | TCW | dondelelcaro, he want's to have all the power, but he is to dumb to know how to use that power |
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| 00:31.04 | TCW | dondelelcaro, yeah... we discussed that issue hours... I just forgot to write all down and let it sign by the boss... I will do that, thanks for that hint :) |
| 00:33.15 | unlink | is there a way to find files not in packages? |
| 00:33.29 | unlink | not in installed packages, i mean |
| 00:33.34 | stoned | locate, find |
| 00:33.41 | dondelelcaro | !search |
| 00:33.41 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 00:33.42 | stoned | unlink: pdo |
| 00:33.47 | stoned | !pdo |
| 00:33.47 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 00:34.02 | unlink | i mean, scan the system for files not in installed packages |
| 00:34.20 | JordiGH | Hm. This is odd. approx seems to prefer to keep its own cache instead of using /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 00:35.21 | dondelelcaro | unlink: oh, you want something like cruft |
| 00:35.50 | jetscreamer | !info chrootkit |
| 00:35.53 | unlink | cool |
| 00:35.59 | jetscreamer | !info rkhunter |
| 00:36.03 | dpkg | rkhunter: (rootkit, backdoor, sniffer and exploit scanner), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.2.9-5 (sid), Packaged size: 134 kB, Installed size: 540 kB |
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| 00:36.15 | jetscreamer | !info chkrootkit |
| 00:36.17 | dpkg | chkrootkit: (Checks for signs of rootkits on the local system), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.47-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 250 kB, Installed size: 632 kB |
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| 00:38.15 | squisher | why doesn't linux-image refer to the full kernel version anymore? It only say 2.6.22, does that mean that it's not any of 2.6.22.x? |
| 00:38.34 | Kaiten4 | squisher: +1 |
| 00:39.07 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.22 |
| 00:39.49 | jetscreamer | there is linux-source-2.6.22 , but the images have more..-whatever |
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| 00:39.59 | jetscreamer | 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 00:40.00 | squisher | Kaiten4: ;-) I'm just surprised, because both testing and unstable only have 2.6.22/.21, but there's already .x of both out for a while |
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| 00:40.02 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 00:40.44 | jetscreamer | 2.6.22-1-k7 on the desktop/sid |
| 00:41.01 | jetscreamer | know which is a metapackage btw |
| 00:41.21 | jetscreamer | don't be confused by imitations |
| 00:41.36 | squisher | jetscreamer: yeah, but 2.6.22.5 is out |
| 00:41.52 | jetscreamer | you won't see the updates reflected in uname -r |
| 00:42.12 | squisher | jetscreamer: why not? So how do I know what updates the debian kernel is based on then? |
| 00:42.48 | jetscreamer | i really don't understand why not, but i've watched the progression of the methods the kernel image maintainer has done |
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| 00:43.35 | squisher | jetscreamer: hmm, but how do I know now if I should try 2.6.22.5? I like the debian kernels, but I need to get rid of my nfs4 oops... |
| 00:43.37 | jetscreamer | you get a base model, and the optional upgrades are applied, but it stays the same name (see i can't explain it but i know what i'm talking about :/) |
| 00:43.44 | jetscreamer | just try it |
| 00:43.51 | jetscreamer | don't uninstall your old one |
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| 00:43.58 | squisher | hehe, obviously :) |
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| 00:44.55 | squisher | I understand what you are saying about the version numbers, but I seriously don't understand why they do it that way - what would be the advantage?? Anyways, thanks for the info |
| 00:44.58 | snowbird | no one here? |
| 00:45.00 | jetscreamer | !find linux-image-2.6.22 |
| 00:45.01 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'linux-image-2.6.22' (7): linux-image-2.6.22-1-486 ;; linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 ;; linux-image-2.6.22-1-686-bigmem ;; linux-image-2.6.22-1-amd64 ;; linux-image-2.6.22-1-k7 ;; linux-image-2.6.22-1-vserver-686 ;; linux-image-2.6.22-1-vserver-k7. |
| 00:45.09 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 00:45.24 | h3sp4wn | look inside linux-patch-debian-2.6.22 |
| 00:45.40 | h3sp4wn | (as far as I can see currently it is based on 2.6.22.1 |
| 00:45.42 | jetscreamer | squisher: are you talking about a linux-image-2.6.22-5 or the source from kernel.org |
| 00:46.21 | squisher | jetscreamer: I have linux-image-2.6.22-1 from debian installed, and I was trying to find out if 2.6.22.5 from kernel.org is newer or not |
| 00:46.26 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 00:46.28 | jetscreamer | yes it is |
| 00:46.37 | jetscreamer | i thought you meant it's in debian atm |
| 00:46.48 | jetscreamer | yes the -5 is newer |
| 00:47.07 | h3sp4wn | squisher: what do you need from 2.6.22.5 (anything in particular) |
| 00:47.10 | abrotman | .5 |
| 00:47.20 | jetscreamer | him say nfsv4 borked |
| 00:47.25 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 00:47.47 | squisher | h3sp4wn: I get a kernel oops when i shutdown, sometimes when the system is up |
| 00:48.07 | h3sp4wn | squisher: tainted kernel ? |
| 00:48.20 | squisher | h3sp4wn: nvidia, but that's it afaik |
| 00:48.32 | jetscreamer | that would be a taint iirc |
| 00:48.47 | squisher | yeah, I know, but I need 3d :) |
| 00:49.02 | h3sp4wn | reproduce it without nvidia |
| 00:49.07 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 00:49.41 | jetscreamer | i personally don't think that's why though |
| 00:49.45 | squisher | h3sp4wn: hmm, I haven't tried that. I'll see, it's not 100% reproducible, about 50% of times when I shut down it works fine, the others it oops |
| 00:49.55 | squisher | I don't see how nvidia has anything to do with nfs though |
| 00:50.20 | h3sp4wn | It doesn't - I cannot see what you think will fix it between 2.6.22.1 -> 2.6.22.5 though |
| 00:50.22 | squisher | I can post the syslog message of the oops, just mentions nfs stuff |
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| 00:50.37 | spheard | !tar |
| 00:50.37 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 00:50.38 | squisher | h3sp4wn: well, what else can I try? |
| 00:50.40 | jetscreamer | are you using kernel mode or usermode |
| 00:50.47 | jetscreamer | try the other |
| 00:50.51 | squisher | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 00:51.02 | squisher | jetscreamer: oh, the server |
| 00:51.08 | spheard | how do I tar a whole directory system |
| 00:51.10 | squisher | jetscreamer: the client is crashing though |
| 00:51.10 | h3sp4wn | I don't know of a userspace nfsv4 server |
| 00:51.12 | jetscreamer | aren't there 2 diff kinds of nfs? i forget been a year |
| 00:51.14 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:51.19 | jetscreamer | is that v3 then? |
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| 00:51.30 | h3sp4wn | there is one that is v3 and one that is v2 |
| 00:51.37 | h3sp4wn | (not sure if the v3 one is in debian yet) |
| 00:51.40 | squisher | no, v4... I thought only server is in user or kernel mode, right? Or is it the client also? |
| 00:51.46 | jetscreamer | i did nfs last year sometime |
| 00:52.10 | h3sp4wn | !info unfs3 |
| 00:52.14 | dpkg | unfs3: (User-space NFSv3 Server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.9.17+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
| 00:52.23 | jetscreamer | are you closing the connections/unmounting the shares when shutting down? |
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| 00:52.31 | lastnode | guys, need some help. any pcmcia cards / brands that KNOWN to work with the kernel? (that have OSS drivers basically) |
| 00:53.11 | jetscreamer | lastnode: nice specificness |
| 00:53.32 | lastnode | jetscreamer, im in the market for one. i dont really know how to be specific. |
| 00:53.58 | h3sp4wn | lastnode: what type ? (scsi / network ?/ wireless ? / soundcard ?) |
| 00:54.00 | squisher | jetscreamer: the mount is in fstab, so I'm assuming it gets umount'ed... |
| 00:54.06 | lastnode | oh crap |
| 00:54.15 | lastnode | sorry, i meant pcmcia wireless. :/ i apologize |
| 00:54.27 | lastnode | id like one that worked ootb with deb, that would be awesome |
| 00:55.02 | h3sp4wn | lastnode: madwifi supported card would probably work the best but its in non-free |
| 00:55.47 | lastnode | h3sp4wn, so ill need to install fw? are linksys cards madwifi supported? |
| 00:56.04 | h3sp4wn | lastnode: Depends on which |
| 00:56.10 | h3sp4wn | !madwifi |
| 00:56.10 | dpkg | madwifi is, like, a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 00:56.27 | h3sp4wn | lastnode: I use one of these - http://www.ubnt.com/products_src.php4 |
| 00:56.40 | h3sp4wn | (they are quite expensive but better than anything else I ever used) |
| 00:57.10 | jetscreamer | squisher: i know nothing. i seem to dimly remember someting ungood about something like that, umount them first... no idea. |
| 00:57.14 | Kaiten4 | !madwifi-install |
| 00:57.14 | dpkg | i heard madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
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| 00:57.33 | jetscreamer | but that was v3 apparently |
| 00:57.35 | Kaiten4 | !non-free |
| 00:57.35 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about <vrms> |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | Kaiten4: msg the bot |
| 00:58.07 | lastnode | h3sp4wn, is that available on any canadian order sites? or only from the manufacturer's site? |
| 00:58.16 | lunk | Kaiten4: i just setup madwifi on debian for the first time the other day, amazingly easy once i did it the debian way |
| 00:58.16 | h3sp4wn | lastnode: no clue |
| 00:58.38 | jetscreamer | ndiswrapper was amazingly easy/simple also :o |
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| 00:59.03 | jetscreamer | it was that or wep only |
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| 00:59.32 | squisher | jetscreamer: thanks for the help... I guess I'll try out a newer kernel and see if that helps. I don't know how to read kernel oops call traces well enough to really decide if other reports on the net are the same as mine |
| 00:59.47 | lastnode | there are madwifi footnotes, like a certain .c file has to be included, etc, for some cards. im assuming these are all doable via patches? |
| 00:59.53 | jetscreamer | squisher: try an older kernel also maybe |
| 01:00.16 | jetscreamer | 2.6.18-4 maybe |
| 01:00.56 | squisher | jetscreamer: I'v been running 2.6.20.4 for a long time, and didn't have problems before. But I guess that's a point, I'll see. I had been out of town and updated both server (testing) and client (unstable) and then the problems started |
| 01:01.47 | Fivestar | hell, all , how to install debian etch with colinux, i followed "http://colinux.wikia.com/wiki/InstallDebianEtchFromIso", i got wrong. |
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| 01:04.29 | squisher | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435517 looks a lot like mine actually |
| 01:04.46 | JordiGH | Fivestar: Like this? http://adrinael.net/wrong4 |
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| 01:05.44 | Fivestar | ... |
| 01:06.57 | JordiGH | Fivestar: Sorry. But you said you got wrong. :-) |
| 01:07.01 | Gm4n | so what's the best pptp server to be installing on my latest brand new debian server? |
| 01:07.24 | abrotman | isn't there only one ? |
| 01:07.29 | Gm4n | (brand new = formatted drive, not new hardware =( ) |
| 01:07.38 | Gm4n | I don't know, that's why I'm asking |
| 01:07.45 | abrotman | Gm4n: apt-cache search pptp |
| 01:07.48 | Gm4n | poptop is the one and only? |
| 01:07.54 | Fivestar | i want to know how to install debian with colinux vm step by step ? |
| 01:08.15 | abrotman | ask them |
| 01:08.29 | abrotman | Gm4n: i don't even have that one |
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| 01:11.58 | karsten | Fivestar: AFAIC that should be documented by colinux. Or /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 01:12.28 | Fivestar | is there any document? |
| 01:12.36 | abrotman | ask #colinux |
| 01:12.38 | jetscreamer | afaic.. as far as i c... c.... |
| 01:12.54 | abrotman | erm .. one person .. must be on a different server |
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| 01:13.07 | karsten | Fivestar: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=debian+install+colinux&btnG=Search |
| 01:13.16 | squisher | jetscreamer: cnow? ;-) |
| 01:13.31 | Gm4n | abrotman: pptpd - PoPToP Point to Point Tunneling Server <--- we were talking about the same one =) |
| 01:13.34 | jetscreamer | as far as i cnn |
| 01:13.36 | lastnode | are there any wifi pcmcia card models that dont require any 3rd party firmware? (that will basically work ootb with debian, the installer will pick it up during install etc) |
| 01:13.42 | abrotman | poptop ? |
| 01:13.49 | abrotman | lastnode: yes |
| 01:13.49 | karsten | themolester: You quite done yet? |
| 01:13.57 | lastnode | abrotman, like? |
| 01:14.02 | abrotman | orinoco based cards |
| 01:14.22 | karsten | lastnode: Strong second on orinoco. |
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| 01:14.46 | lastnode | karsten, abrotman, googling. are there any cards off the top of your head that use this chipste? |
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| 01:14.55 | abrotman | yeah .. old ones |
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| 01:15.22 | jetscreamer | look on linuxwireless.org or whatever |
| 01:15.36 | jetscreamer | !wireless |
| 01:15.36 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi> for Linksys WPC11 or Netgear WG111v2. |
| 01:15.41 | karsten | lastnode: For newer hardware, the Intel onboard chipsets work well. I've got the Intel Wireless 2200GB, uses ipw2200 |
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| 01:15.58 | karsten | !tell lastnode about ipw2200 |
| 01:16.05 | lastnode | karsten, i cant seem to find a pcmcia of ipw. i used to have it on my old thinkpad too, i loved the ipw2200 |
| 01:17.16 | abrotman | karsten: still needs firmware iirc |
| 01:17.20 | lastnode | karsten, the ipw series requires firmware, right? |
| 01:17.29 | karsten | Yeah, I think it's onboard only, and yeah you need firmware, that's what dpkg just told you about. |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | lastnode: there aren't intel pcmcia cards |
| 01:17.43 | karsten | abrotman: onboard wifi |
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| 01:17.49 | abrotman | karsten: he asked for pcmcia |
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| 01:18.08 | lastnode | oh ok |
| 01:18.09 | lastnode | :/ |
| 01:18.12 | karsten | lastnode: For orinoco, your best bet is to find an old PCMCIA card, usually ebay, craigslist |
| 01:18.19 | lastnode | meh, gotta go. ill be back after school to bug you a bit more, abrotman :) |
| 01:18.21 | lastnode | thanks for the help |
| 01:18.25 | abrotman | okay |
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| 01:18.34 | karsten | lastnode: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sss?query=orinoco finds 3 |
| 01:18.39 | lastnode | thanks guys |
| 01:18.48 | edju | using the debian 2.6.18-5-k7 kernel, & somewhere I read that /usr/src/linux should soft-link to linux-headers-2.6.18-5-k7. if I compile the 2.6.22 kernel, will it suffice to link /usr/src/linux to the kernel source? |
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| 01:20.25 | abrotman | edju: you can make a linux-headers .deb also if that makes you more comfortable |
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| 01:20.51 | Supaplex | ~lart the canon bjc-6000 printer |
| 01:20.51 | apt | holds the canon bjc-6000 printer to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 01:21.08 | snowbird | cannon printer give me |
| 01:21.16 | Supaplex | come get it |
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| 01:21.31 | snowbird | were are you located |
| 01:21.33 | Supaplex | utah |
| 01:21.42 | stoned | hey man |
| 01:21.42 | snowbird | has to cross border |
| 01:21.57 | Supaplex | stoned: sup. not idling in #daxal huh? ;) |
| 01:22.08 | snowbird | suplex |
| 01:22.12 | stoned | suplex |
| 01:22.13 | snowbird | can i pm u |
| 01:22.28 | Supaplex | snowbird: I take OT stuff in #daxal |
| 01:22.37 | snowbird | what? |
| 01:22.41 | stoned | snowbird: you want to give a private massage to suplex? |
| 01:22.46 | snowbird | yes |
| 01:22.50 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:22.55 | stoned | hoookaaayy then |
| 01:23.00 | Supaplex | snowbird: no pm. just /join #daxal instead. |
| 01:23.19 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:23.26 | squisher | jetscreamer, h3sp4wn: thanks for the help, I'll reboot everything and let you guys know later how it went |
| 01:23.52 | Supaplex | my irssi config is in cryostasis until my workstation is resurected. :-/ |
| 01:24.14 | Supaplex | hence no ident to services. *sigh* and no, I don't memorize the 4823 passwords I use... |
| 01:24.27 | stoned | I keep it simple |
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| 01:24.32 | stoned | I got one password for everything |
| 01:24.38 | stoned | its so secure you'd never guess it |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | Supaplex: it's in the freezer eh ? |
| 01:25.09 | Supaplex | stoned: crack? |
| 01:25.16 | stoned | nope |
| 01:25.19 | stoned | its password |
| 01:25.31 | stoned | my username is username, and password is password |
| 01:25.38 | stoned | nobody would ever guess that |
| 01:26.13 | jetscreamer | who would want to hack an idiot? nothing worth hacking |
| 01:26.14 | krazykit | your password is 12345? |
| 01:26.30 | stoned | no, its 'password' |
| 01:26.42 | stoned | jetscreamer: :( |
| 01:26.43 | krazykit | 12345 is more secure |
| 01:26.47 | krazykit | come on now. |
| 01:26.59 | stoned | this is getting too dumb now |
| 01:27.17 | stoned | no more humor left |
| 01:27.25 | stoned | and why the FUCK do I smell a wet dog!? |
| 01:27.47 | jetscreamer | it's raining |
| 01:27.54 | stoned | yup |
| 01:28.14 | stoned | I want to watch a movie tonight |
| 01:28.15 | jetscreamer | well it's either you stink, or there's a werewolf in your place |
| 01:28.22 | stoned | I saw ninja turtles last night it was asesome |
| 01:28.26 | stoned | awe* |
| 01:28.29 | CompWizrd | stoned: out of the 11000 accounts at a university i had /etc/passwd from, about 500 were 'password', so i dunno about that |
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| 01:30.38 | stoned | im hungry |
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| 01:34.13 | semprix | CompWizrd, do you manage the accounts? |
| 01:34.27 | semprix | or you actually h4xored that box |
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| 01:35.15 | zonjai | Small issue. I have linux-image-2.6.18-5-486 installed on my AMD Sempron machine with 1gig of RAM. I am not seeing the full gig, should I be using the 686 image or the k7 image? TIA |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | CompWizrd: clearly they were professor accounts :) |
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| 01:35.33 | semprix | abrotman, lol |
| 01:35.33 | abrotman | zonjai: use the -k7 |
| 01:35.52 | zonjai | That is what I thought, but did not see anything above athlons listed in description. Thank you |
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| 01:35.58 | abrotman | !k7 |
| 01:35.58 | dpkg | methinks k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 01:36.17 | zonjai | I appreciate the help. thank you all |
| 01:36.28 | abrotman | that's kind of misleading .. the k7 kernel will work on those last few listed |
| 01:36.48 | zonjai | oops, one more question, I can do a simple apt-get or aptitude install for that image, correct? |
| 01:37.00 | abrotman | aptitude |
| 01:37.01 | semprix | abrotman, are you on stable or testing? |
| 01:37.04 | zonjai | stable |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | zonjai: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | semprix: this machine i'm currently on is testing |
| 01:37.24 | zonjai | that is what I thought, thank you all again. have a good night |
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| 01:37.32 | semprix | abrotman, with X? |
| 01:37.33 | Kaiten4 | guys half my internet stopped working |
| 01:37.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:37.41 | abrotman | half? |
| 01:37.44 | Kaiten4 | yeah |
| 01:37.46 | Kaiten4 | umm |
| 01:37.59 | Kaiten4 | I believe it to be packet filter, stopped a lot of packets from coming in |
| 01:38.05 | Kaiten4 | like I can ping google |
| 01:38.07 | semprix | Kaiten4, half? or half of your entire network |
| 01:38.10 | Kaiten4 | but not aim or slashdot |
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| 01:38.30 | Kaiten4 | let me give you an example |
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| 01:39.00 | Kaiten4 | I'd love to give you an example but pastebin isn't loading... |
| 01:39.11 | Kaiten4 | ok here's some one liners |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | !paste |
| 01:39.14 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 01:41.55 | Kaiten4 | Luckily one of those worked |
| 01:41.57 | Kaiten4 | http://rafb.net/p/ZCF5LZ24.html |
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| 01:42.45 | Kaiten4 | basicly I need to know how to disable packet filter, it just started doing this out of the blue. |
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| 01:43.11 | Kaiten4 | I would "just fucking google it" but google and irc seem to be the only things working |
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| 01:44.18 | abrotman | Kaiten4: that's not on by default |
| 01:44.18 | Kaiten4 | Is anyone here? did I lose all the internets? |
| 01:44.19 | semprix | Kaiten4, do you have iptables installed? |
| 01:44.35 | abrotman | Kaiten4: did you mess with iptables at all ? |
| 01:44.39 | abrotman | maybe it's your ISP? |
| 01:44.43 | Kaiten4 | no sirs |
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| 01:44.54 | semprix | could it be your ISPs dns |
| 01:44.56 | o2T7 | after a while using amule my fat partition goes read only. Why? |
| 01:45.14 | abrotman | Kaiten4: if you didn't mess with iptables .. ti's not your debian install doing that |
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| 01:45.42 | Kaiten4 | I installed dhclient3 |
| 01:45.48 | Kaiten4 | the only network related program |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | doesn't matter |
| 01:46.37 | semprix | Kaiten4, can you do a traceroute on that particular sites thats droppign |
| 01:46.38 | Kaiten4 | I've reseted my router and modem |
| 01:46.40 | semprix | dropping* |
| 01:46.44 | Kaiten4 | ok |
| 01:46.57 | semprix | try to check where does it drop those packets |
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| 01:47.17 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 01:47.33 | snowbird | superplex |
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| 01:47.44 | Kaiten4 | It took a half second to leave my router.. I think I'm starting to see the problem |
| 01:48.13 | semprix | Kaiten4, ok start from there |
| 01:48.37 | Kaiten4 | here is the trace http://rafb.net/p/Nv5hqd18.html |
| 01:49.16 | semprix | after the router. it should jump somewhere on your ISPs backbone |
| 01:49.41 | semprix | can you try -> mtr aol.com |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | looks filtered to me |
| 01:49.52 | semprix | clearer output :) |
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| 01:51.06 | semprix | abrotman, after the routers hop is should jump over to the ISP |
| 01:51.15 | jkl_ | Hi |
| 01:51.27 | Kaiten4 | mtr > http://rafb.net/p/Nv5hqd18.html |
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| 01:51.41 | Kaiten4 | aol.com is loading now |
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| 01:51.57 | Kaiten4 | still no aim |
| 01:51.59 | Spiritus55 | Alright, my totem movie viewer can decode .m4a's but not rythmbox. |
| 01:52.09 | Spiritus55 | I have recently gotten a LOT of new decoders. |
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| 01:52.32 | Spiritus55 | I was getting the error about something like "the GStream plug-in could not decode M4A" |
| 01:52.54 | Spiritus55 | But, after a lot of decoders, I now have the error "GStreamer could not find the decoder for MP3" |
| 01:52.57 | semprix | Kaiten4, the one you pasted is still from traceroute :( |
| 01:52.59 | jetx | gstreamer sucks |
| 01:53.04 | jkl_ | would u guys help with something?... I have the old nvidiafb module on my kernel... Im trying to install the new one, but I cant to unintall the old (even with modconf) |
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| 01:53.24 | Kaiten4 | slashdot http://rafb.net/p/pxK0AC42.html |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 - Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer plugin |
| 01:53.42 | snowbird | Supaplex: hey |
| 01:53.43 | Spiritus55 | Thanks. |
| 01:53.44 | Spiritus55 | I'll check. |
| 01:53.47 | jetx | jkl_: you don't want to use nvidiafb unless it's a really old nvidia |
| 01:53.59 | Kaiten4 | does look my isp took a shit |
| 01:53.59 | jetx | jkl_: edit /etc/modules and comment it out |
| 01:54.04 | jetx | then reboot |
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| 01:54.20 | jetx | if modprobe -r nvidiafb doesn't work |
| 01:54.23 | jkl_ | jetx, tnx, it didnt work |
| 01:54.27 | semprix | looks like an ISP problem your packet loss are on the 7th hops |
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| 01:54.46 | Kaiten4 | Shit maybe they're on to me |
| 01:54.55 | jkl_ | jetx, is loading anyway. |
| 01:54.56 | Kaiten4 | you guys don't know me |
| 01:55.08 | zonjai | Everything went smoothly on my image shift to k7, thank you all again. Have a good night |
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| 01:55.16 | jetx | did you edit /etc/modules ? |
| 01:55.23 | semprix | Kaiten4, what do you mean we dont know you |
| 01:55.30 | jetx | what vidcard/gpu |
| 01:55.34 | Kaiten4 | semprix: exactly |
| 01:55.57 | Spiritus55 | Jetx: Are you talking to me? |
| 01:56.06 | jetx | not really |
| 01:56.09 | jkl_ | nvidia 5200 :( |
| 01:56.17 | Spiritus55 | Jetx: alright. |
| 01:56.24 | Kaiten4 | Uhh anyways, I hate to ask, I was looking this up when my internet crapped out, what's the command to have kernel-package compile a kernel with an initrd(or whatever?)? |
| 01:56.39 | jetx | you don't want nvidiafb. edit /etc/modules and comment it out. |
| 01:56.43 | Kaiten4 | So I can compile my new kernel now and hope my internet works tomorrow |
| 01:56.44 | jetx | then reboot |
| 01:57.18 | jkl_ | jetx, I did that... and is loading |
| 01:57.22 | jetx | and another thing |
| 01:57.35 | jkl_ | jetx, even in the blacklist. |
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| 01:57.55 | jetx | nvidiafb, or nvidia |
| 01:58.11 | jkl_ | nvidiafb |
| 01:58.34 | Azar | good evening mister abrotman :) |
| 01:58.44 | jkl_ | and nvida in modules, but doesnt work cuz there is another (first) |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:58.58 | Spiritus55 | But, they wierd thing is, is they play in totem. |
| 01:59.10 | Spiritus55 | Any one know if it could just be rythmbox? |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | Spiritus55: apt-cache search gstreamer mp3 |
| 01:59.50 | Spiritus55 | Abrotman: thanks, I'll look |
| 02:00.03 | TCW | (echo $password; echo $password ) | smbpasswd -s -a $user <- this does work (add a $user with $password to the samba database, I have a file with those two variables seperated by colons, nearly passwd-style and I don't get it how to let this thing parse that file to add all the users in that file... any hints? |
| 02:00.15 | jkl_ | jetx, do u know how to remove from kernel? or I need to compile again (Im newbie sorry) |
| 02:00.30 | jetx | ohhhh |
| 02:00.36 | jetx | you compiled it in |
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| 02:00.40 | jetx | recompile |
| 02:00.47 | jetx | use a stock kernel |
| 02:00.50 | jkl_ | exactly.. that's the problem |
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| 02:00.52 | Azar | another strong reason not to use the nvidia drivers : http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=41845 |
| 02:00.53 | Kaiten4 | I understand most of kernel package, what is the flag to make an initrd? Please? |
| 02:00.53 | jetx | not .20 or .21 |
| 02:01.07 | jetx | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 02:01.15 | Kaiten4 | Damn, I clicked that link thinking I would read it :) |
| 02:01.23 | Kaiten4 | jetx: thank you |
| 02:01.23 | jkl_ | jetx, I miss it installing :p |
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| 02:02.50 | jkl_ | jetx, my problem is removing from kernel (I think)... I guess I should re-compile the kernel right? |
| 02:03.08 | jetx | right |
| 02:03.14 | jetx | looks like you compiled it in |
| 02:03.16 | jetx | hang on |
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| 02:03.31 | Kaiten4 | what does modules_image do? |
| 02:03.37 | anandanbu | In My Ubuntu 7.04 machine i am not abel to open the website http://meetings-archive.debian.net/ using firefox what could be the problem |
| 02:03.37 | Spiritus55 | Yeah, that didn't work. |
| 02:03.39 | jkl_ | jetx, cool man!, tnx a lot! |
| 02:03.44 | Spiritus55 | maybe it's just rythmbox? |
| 02:03.46 | abrotman | anandanbu: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | Spiritus55: try quod libet |
| 02:03.58 | Spiritus55 | Anyone know of a program that is like rythmbox (links all your music to a menu)? |
| 02:04.04 | Spiritus55 | That is good. |
| 02:04.12 | abrotman | or uhm .. Muine ? |
| 02:04.12 | Spiritus55 | Alright |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | banshee is okay too |
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| 02:04.43 | Azar | abrotman: is banshee still around? |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | !info banshee lenny |
| 02:05.01 | abrotman | where would it go ? |
| 02:05.04 | dpkg | banshee: (Audio Management and Playback application), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.12.1+dfsg-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 1954 kB, Installed size: 5800 kB |
| 02:05.08 | lontra | Azar: yeah there was a new release not too long ago ... they are on .13 now |
| 02:05.16 | Spiritus55 | I found quodlibet. |
| 02:05.20 | Spiritus55 | *installing. |
| 02:05.21 | Azar | abrotman: read on some news few weeks ago that it could be dropped |
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| 02:05.32 | lontra | Spiritus55: listen is good too i guess |
| 02:05.37 | Azar | ... I guess lack of maintainer |
| 02:05.45 | Spiritus55 | What do you use? |
| 02:05.48 | Spiritus55 | lontra? |
| 02:06.01 | Gargantua | hi |
| 02:06.02 | abrotman | Azar: that's only in debian .. |
| 02:06.03 | jetx | grep CONFIG_FB_NVIDIA /boot/config-whatever |
| 02:06.07 | lontra | Spiritus55: well i just use rhythmbox or amarok ... but are good and do what i need them to do |
| 02:06.13 | lontra | s but/both |
| 02:06.28 | Gargantua | I tried to install debian from a netsinst and a dvd, but it keeps failing. |
| 02:06.30 | Spiritus55 | yeah, I like rythmbox, but it's being gay with my m4a's and recently mp3's.... |
| 02:06.48 | lontra | Spiritus55: try banshee then or xmms :) |
| 02:06.56 | Gargantua | it keeps saying "The failing step is: choose and intsall software" |
| 02:06.58 | Spiritus55 | banshee? |
| 02:07.04 | Supaplex | Spiritus55: it won't play gay content? so much for your pr0n |
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| 02:07.11 | Gargantua | and I tried to click "install base system" |
| 02:07.13 | lontra | !banshee |
| 02:07.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, banshee is a 2D/3D graphics chipset by 3Dfx, Inc.. There is a newer X server than the old bnslnx-B1.zip located at ftp://ftp.soundblaster.com/pub/creative/beta/XF86_Banshee-1.01.tar.gz (v3.3.3) dated June 22, 1999. Size: 909663 or at http://www.3dfxgamers.com/view.asp?IOID=31 or supported by XFree86 3.3.5 |
| 02:07.18 | lontra | er ... |
| 02:07.20 | Spiritus55 | Supaplex, you know what I mean. |
| 02:07.26 | Gargantua | but it still failed, says the kernel couldnt install. |
| 02:07.29 | snowbird | Supaplex: msg get u way |
| 02:07.30 | Spiritus55 | Supaplex, the actual program is acting retarded. |
| 02:07.32 | Gargantua | anyhelp? |
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| 02:07.35 | lontra | Spiritus55: banshee is a mono-music player |
| 02:07.38 | Spiritus55 | mono? |
| 02:07.43 | Spiritus55 | single-music player? |
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| 02:07.49 | lontra | !mono |
| 02:07.50 | dpkg | hmm... mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 02:08.05 | Spiritus55 | Kissing disease, oh noes! |
| 02:08.18 | dvs | Spiritus55: well, if you have to go... |
| 02:08.24 | Gargantua | anyone? |
| 02:08.46 | Spiritus55 | dvs, why would I have to go? |
| 02:09.08 | dvs | Spiritus55: if you had to die, that's the way I'd want to go. ;-) |
| 02:09.13 | Spiritus55 | Oh, right. |
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| 02:09.19 | Spiritus55 | Or too much sex... |
| 02:09.23 | Spiritus55 | That would be 'teh leeb' |
| 02:09.24 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:09.41 | Gargantua | anyhelp please? |
| 02:10.28 | snowbird | wonder if i can get cannon to work under linux |
| 02:10.52 | Spiritus55 | Is kaffeine any good under debian |
| 02:10.53 | Spiritus55 | ? |
| 02:11.04 | Supaplex | snowbird: it's canon. not cannon. stfw linux printing canon bjc 6000 |
| 02:11.10 | snowbird | great |
| 02:11.22 | snowbird | i ahve dexlixa oops on spelling |
| 02:11.22 | lontra | Spiritus55: is kaffeine any good? if it is ... then it's good on debian |
| 02:11.35 | snowbird | Supaplex: get mail? |
| 02:11.40 | abrotman | Supaplex: don't bother trying to correct his spelling .. |
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| 02:12.16 | Spiritus55 | Alright. |
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| 02:12.21 | Spiritus55 | Lontra: thanks. |
| 02:12.38 | Azar | damn! DebianTimes crashes too |
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| 02:13.24 | macogw | heya |
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| 02:13.38 | macogw | anyone know where a deb for liberation fonts is hiding? |
| 02:13.51 | Azar | wtf, first Debday and now Debian Times... |
| 02:13.55 | xjkx | I use firestarter as "firewall", i know it uses iptables from background, is there any other better thing like this? I know just some basics of iptables, i need some software to handle the rules |
| 02:14.07 | snowbird | Supaplex: yeah supported |
| 02:14.31 | Azar | and Debday tells me to get a newer firefox version.. now they run only on "special" firefox versions? wtf? |
| 02:14.47 | macogw | xjkx: if you know what you're doing, Guarddog is more configurable than Firestarter...configurable enough that I locked myself out of the internet by accident |
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| 02:15.09 | snowbird | yeah macogw been there done that |
| 02:15.20 | semprix | !guarddog |
| 02:15.30 | macogw | firestarter by default leaves the ports for "help me!" (firefox and irc, i think...) open |
| 02:15.46 | Azar | and the shame is... only Debian websites started crapping like that.. |
| 02:15.50 | xjkx | macogw does it have a logger (in GUI) ? I like when firestarter shows me who tried to connect me on the "events" tab :> |
| 02:16.01 | snowbird | yeah guardog gui |
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| 02:16.29 | Azar | well hell links to the rescue |
| 02:16.35 | macogw | xjkx: it has a gui, but idk about gui logger. after i locked myself out of the internet, i needed firestarter to get back online and said to hell with guarddog because i cant handle it |
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| 02:16.55 | snowbird | not that hard for guarddog? help is easy |
| 02:17.20 | xjkx | macogw: what did you mean with ports like "firefox" open? |
| 02:17.21 | jetx | heh |
| 02:17.23 | Kaiten4 | so uh, any good channels on irc? Only thing my network is connected to.. |
| 02:17.24 | jetx | !info lokkit |
| 02:17.28 | dpkg | lokkit: (basic interactive firewall configuration tool (console interface)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.50.22-7.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
| 02:17.37 | xjkx | macogw: "ports for "help me!" (firefox .." |
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| 02:17.48 | macogw | xjkx: whatever port lets you access the internet through a browser is left open by default so you can get help if you dont know what you're doing |
| 02:18.20 | Spiritus55 | What is the apt-get for iceweasel java runtime environment? |
| 02:18.20 | macogw | i dont know what im doing when i try to mess with firewalls, and that guarddog doesnt by default let firefox have outbound traffic means that i couldnt google to find out what i did wrong |
| 02:18.43 | Kaiten4 | lol |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | !tell Spiritus55 about install java |
| 02:19.00 | snowbird | macogw: all i did was click help it guide me there guarddog install |
| 02:19.03 | xjkx | I think it should let the browser free :> |
| 02:19.15 | snowbird | htttp u need to allow for google |
| 02:19.18 | Kaiten4 | !tell kaiten4 about debian |
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| 02:19.43 | xjkx | I am installing guardog :cool: |
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| 02:20.28 | xjkx | By the way, whats pfsense ? is it just like guardog/firestarter? |
| 02:20.30 | sideone | hey all |
| 02:21.18 | snowbird | xjkx: alow http and then help guides whats safe and not |
| 02:21.38 | macogw | so im wondering, why do they say "ubuntu is an african word for can't install debian"? the text installers are the same on both and debian has a gui one now. what's the difference as far as installation goes? i didnt notice any |
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| 02:22.07 | macogw | i noticed i had to get 3 packages for my ipw3945 on debian that i didnt on ubuntu, but that doesnt make it any harder |
| 02:22.18 | jetx | gee |
| 02:22.28 | jetx | what do you think 'based on debian' means |
| 02:22.33 | dvs | macogw: I dunno but Linus said that he won't install Debian. |
| 02:22.35 | jetx | !based on debian |
| 02:22.35 | dpkg | Your distribution may even use <apt>, but is not officially Debian maintained (see <why Debian>), nor do we manage all aspects of it. (see <Debian policy>) Therefore, we are not obligated to help you (see <based on Debian caveats>). Please visit the proper IRC channel for your distribution. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> <Linux Mint> to name a few. |
| 02:22.41 | macogw | dvs: i thought that was funny |
| 02:22.47 | Kaiten4 | lenny is starting to feel more like ubuntu desktop-wise, all the epplets and guis and such |
| 02:22.53 | macogw | jetx: im not asking for help |
| 02:22.56 | dvs | macogw: Yeah, we're too advanced for him! ;-) |
| 02:23.06 | jetx | didn't meant to imply you were |
| 02:23.14 | macogw | i just think it's weird that people say debian's really hard as compared to ubuntu |
| 02:23.24 | macogw | but i dont see what's supposed to be hard about debian |
| 02:23.30 | Kaiten4 | it can be, it was worse a few years ago |
| 02:23.32 | gravity | macogw: It used to be much harder |
| 02:23.40 | Xenguy | dvs: linus is a great engineer, but that's all =) |
| 02:23.45 | snowbird | me too only hard thing is .deb and tar |
| 02:23.47 | macogw | so its just the remains of an old reputation? |
| 02:23.52 | macogw | snowbird: huh? |
| 02:23.55 | dvs | macogw: you used to have to manually partition the hard drive for example. |
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| 02:24.01 | macogw | if you mean rolling debs, sure |
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| 02:24.08 | snowbird | thast hard for me rest is easy |
| 02:24.12 | Kaiten4 | .deb? you mean the things apt grabs and installs? lol |
| 02:24.18 | gravity | tar is hard? |
| 02:24.19 | macogw | dvs: vs. "guided partition"? i do anyway... |
| 02:24.34 | macogw | anyone that wants to keep /home through reinstalls does |
| 02:24.43 | Kaiten4 | contents of tar can hard usually it's source code if you're lucky it a binary with a script |
| 02:24.52 | dvs | macogw: oh yeah, then there was dselect. |
| 02:24.58 | jetx | /home is a 200gb hd |
| 02:25.11 | jetx | !dselect |
| 02:25.11 | dpkg | it has been said that dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see ... |
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| 02:25.27 | sideone | im trying to fix my apt packages, glib6 is trying to upgrade via apt. I have been having issues, and now am trying apt-get -f install.. anyone know what i should do? |
| 02:25.29 | macogw | hahah |
| 02:25.33 | macogw | ive never used dselect |
| 02:25.40 | maddash | "apt-get source irda-utils" -==> "gpg: Signature made Sat 31 Mar 2007 02:58:28 PM EDT using DSA key ID 4BA401C3 |
| 02:25.40 | maddash | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found" <== lenny |
| 02:25.42 | dvs | macogw: hence why the install was easy |
| 02:25.42 | macogw | it was on my LPIC online course though |
| 02:25.42 | jetx | !fix-unmet |
| 02:25.42 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 02:25.55 | abrotman | jetx: FFS .. tell them about it |
| 02:26.09 | jetx | ok |
| 02:26.09 | macogw | dvs: current installer uses apt right? |
| 02:26.19 | sideone | !fix-unmet |
| 02:26.20 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 02:26.25 | jetx | wtf? |
| 02:26.27 | abrotman | jetx: see .. that's why! |
| 02:26.34 | dvs | macogw: I'm not sure. I think it's debconf. |
| 02:26.35 | jetx | !tell sideone -about fix-unmet |
| 02:26.42 | jetx | !tell sideone -about msg |
| 02:27.24 | macogw | ok so "it's an outdated reputation" is rather the case then? |
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| 02:27.34 | sideone | thx jet |
| 02:27.50 | dvs | macogw: yes, as of sarge it was. |
| 02:28.01 | jetx | macogw: it's more 'user friendly' aka a lot more handholding |
| 02:28.08 | macogw | my only issue on this box existed on ubuntu too....xorg's open source ati drivers dont do 1024x768 on a rage ii |
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| 02:28.16 | macogw | i see |
| 02:28.18 | maddash | !dselect |
| 02:28.18 | dpkg | methinks dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner [broken] Also ask me about aptitude. see ... |
| 02:28.35 | abrotman | maddash: msg the bot |
| 02:28.38 | jetx | ubuntu is our n00bchannel we keep to keep the level of conversation above average |
| 02:28.38 | macogw | jeezuss thats a lot of dselect talk from the bot |
| 02:28.39 | maddash | ^^ note the edit ; anyone have a new link? |
| 02:28.56 | macogw | oh ok |
| 02:29.02 | jetx | abrotman: i see your point now |
| 02:29.06 | Xenguy | dselect is deprecated - use aptitude |
| 02:29.10 | jetx | don't give banannas to the monkeys |
| 02:29.19 | maddash | aptitude won't stop bitching about broken dependencies |
| 02:29.31 | Xenguy | maddash: then use apt-get ? |
| 02:29.33 | jetx | try the fix-unmet factoid |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | maddash: google broken for you ? |
| 02:29.48 | macogw | jetx: i limit my #ubuntu time now. sometimes its just too annoying in there. plus, it's nearly impossible to get an answer on anything that isn't "how do i install thunderbird?" or "wheres the thing so i can get 3d?" |
| 02:29.55 | maddash | actually, the bigger problem is the DSA signature not being found |
| 02:30.05 | jetx | ahhh |
| 02:30.11 | jetx | ah so |
| 02:30.15 | Xenguy | !keyring |
| 02:30.15 | dpkg | keyring is, like, a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | maddash: fixed |
| 02:30.21 | Xenguy | blah |
| 02:30.31 | Xenguy | !debian keyring |
| 02:30.37 | macogw | and in #ubuntu the newbies tend not to know netiquette to know not to PM random people |
| 02:30.38 | Xenguy | OK |
| 02:30.52 | dvs | he's still around? |
| 02:30.53 | Xenguy | macogw: word |
| 02:30.54 | abrotman | macogw: that happens here too |
| 02:30.55 | macogw | when i try to be a jerk and respond "maybe" to "does anyone know anything about...." i then get pm'd |
| 02:30.57 | cafuego | YOU DON'T OWN ME, MAN!!! |
| 02:31.02 | abrotman | dvs: was here the other day |
| 02:31.23 | dvs | uh oh. We awoke the giant. |
| 02:31.25 | macogw | abrotman: i guarantee there are tons more newbies on #ubuntu than in here |
| 02:31.37 | abrotman | macogw: not liekly .. they stop here first :) |
| 02:31.46 | cafuego | macogw: That's what unmode +CE is for, the newbies are invariable unregged, so they can't pm then :-) |
| 02:31.48 | macogw | really? |
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| 02:31.56 | cafuego | Eh, umode. |
| 02:32.02 | macogw | freenode doesnt let unregged users PM |
| 02:32.17 | dvs | macogw: nope |
| 02:32.18 | Kevin` | you can set it to allow unregged users to pm you |
| 02:32.26 | macogw | i didnt know that |
| 02:32.33 | maddash | whoa |
| 02:32.49 | macogw | my knowledge of irc commands is limited to...well, i had to ask on #ubuntu-offtopic how to connect to 2 servers at once on irssi |
| 02:32.49 | Supaplex | how do you think dpkg replies? :) |
| 02:32.56 | cafuego | macogw: Yeh, +E blocks pm, +C blocks dcc. |
| 02:33.36 | macogw | i purposely dont have a gui chat or IM client on here |
| 02:33.37 | cafuego | Unless those are now the defaults and C/E overrides those. |
| 02:33.49 | macogw | this is a strictly homework computer and my siblings cant use anything without a gui |
| 02:34.16 | macogw | not sure how they'll access their folders though...something's not right about e17's file manager |
| 02:34.27 | snowbird | thats why i got text browser |
| 02:34.31 | cafuego | Sorry, 'mv' doesn't work in eterm? |
| 02:34.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:35.08 | jetx | !info xfe |
| 02:35.12 | dpkg | xfe: (lightweight file manager for X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.00-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2602 kB, Installed size: 11448 kB |
| 02:36.00 | Xenguy | !info thunar |
| 02:36.04 | dpkg | thunar: (File Manager for Xfce), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.8.0-6 (sid), Packaged size: 207 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
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| 02:36.28 | macogw | does flux have a file manager? |
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| 02:36.50 | Xenguy | macogw: flux is pretty minimal AFAIK... |
| 02:36.53 | macogw | i know |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | macogw: xterm |
| 02:36.58 | macogw | heh |
| 02:37.08 | macogw | i wont be the one using this box |
| 02:37.11 | Xenguy | macogw: for *ahem* gui - try thunar -- it's quick |
| 02:37.19 | macogw | ok |
| 02:37.23 | abrotman | macogw: use xfe .. should be enough and familiar |
| 02:37.31 | jetx | try both |
| 02:37.32 | macogw | i dont like xfce |
| 02:37.35 | jetx | i do |
| 02:37.36 | macogw | i didnt want a full DE |
| 02:37.38 | speeves | try fluxbox |
| 02:37.42 | Xenguy | macogw: you don't need it for thunar |
| 02:37.42 | speeves | its great :) |
| 02:37.43 | jetx | ah no |
| 02:37.48 | jetx | xfe, not xfce |
| 02:37.53 | macogw | all i have is e17, iceweasel, and open office |
| 02:37.54 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 02:37.54 | jetx | xfe the file manager |
| 02:37.54 | stoned | hey man |
| 02:37.56 | cyber-brain | hi all! i've installed debian 4.0 and i have a problem to make bittorent to connect to tracker!any idea?(everything worked fine in Ubuntu today) :S |
| 02:38.09 | macogw | oo ok |
| 02:38.09 | stoned | hey can one run windows with Xen? |
| 02:38.09 | abrotman | which client? |
| 02:38.25 | Supaplex | cyber-brain: 'problem' is pretty vague. |
| 02:38.28 | maddash | is there a way to automatically mark as auto all the packages that are dependencies? |
| 02:38.30 | cafuego | stoned: If one has hardware virtualisation support, yes, apparently. |
| 02:38.32 | Xenguy | stoned: AFAIK, no - but someone said it was being worked on (?) |
| 02:38.33 | stoned | like install debian and have a guest windows os which could possibly use the actual video card so maybe one could play games? |
| 02:38.41 | macogw | maddash: they do that by default |
| 02:38.51 | cafuego | stoned: No. |
| 02:39.01 | stoned | so what kinda hw vt is this? |
| 02:39.05 | cafuego | stoned: it would run via either vnc or sdl |
| 02:39.10 | Xenguy | stoned: qemu? virtualbox? |
| 02:39.14 | stoned | oh |
| 02:39.20 | cafuego | stoned: support for virt syscalls, less contaxts witching i believe. |
| 02:39.24 | EmeraldCat | Try FSViewer, that's what I'm using now with WindowMaker. |
| 02:39.33 | stoned | i thought it was like you could switch between oses |
| 02:39.34 | Xenguy | stoned: if qemu, you want acceleration with kqemu also |
| 02:39.35 | cyber-brain | Supaplex??? |
| 02:39.37 | cafuego | context switching - bleh |
| 02:39.51 | maddash | macogw: one would think, but i've already caught 4 packages that were unmarked |
| 02:39.53 | jetx | stoned: xnest? |
| 02:39.55 | stoned | that sucks |
| 02:39.56 | cafuego | stoned: A fair few games run okayish is wine though, with hw 3d. |
| 02:40.07 | stoned | cafuego: not oblivion though |
| 02:40.14 | cafuego | well, pick another game |
| 02:40.20 | stoned | thats the only one i play |
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| 02:40.30 | stoned | i don't have patience for video gamea |
| 02:40.33 | cafuego | Looks like you're switching back to windows then eh? ;-) |
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| 02:40.38 | stoned | for some reason the only game i can actually play is oblivion |
| 02:40.41 | stoned | yeh it does |
| 02:40.42 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:40.47 | EmeraldCat | DOS games are the best... |
| 02:41.07 | stoned | kings quest games were the best |
| 02:41.09 | macogw | maddash: apt-get or aptitude? |
| 02:41.12 | EmeraldCat | I'm about to play Commander Keen 6... |
| 02:41.18 | abrotman | isn't that what scummvm is for ? |
| 02:41.25 | stoned | and duke nukem the platform game |
| 02:41.26 | EmeraldCat | Using DOSEmu... |
| 02:41.27 | cyber-brain | is there some kind of fire wall that blocks my ports for bittorent?or maybe as a user i can't access those ports??? |
| 02:41.27 | macogw | maddash: im not sure, but i think only aptitude marks as auto by default |
| 02:41.34 | Xenguy | EmeraldCat: what is that one where vultures fly around and drop eggs on heads? ;-) |
| 02:41.37 | stoned | !debgames |
| 02:41.37 | dpkg | somebody said debgames was debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 02:41.37 | macogw | or maybe thats just the removing bit of it |
| 02:42.01 | macogw | im sure someone will correct me if im wrong |
| 02:42.02 | EmeraldCat | Xenguy, Never played CK6, it's gonna be my first time. ;) |
| 02:42.25 | Xenguy | EmeraldCat: I'm thinking of an old game, but don't remember the name anymore |
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| 02:42.53 | cafuego | OpenTTD runs on Linux, so no need for win* or dos* |
| 02:43.13 | cyber-brain | !firewall |
| 02:43.13 | cyber-brain | !bittorent |
| 02:43.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 02:43.13 | dpkg | from memory, bittorent is @ http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/, a free distributed p2p client, similar to mldonkey, where the downloaders become uploaders and share information dynamically. |
| 02:43.25 | abrotman | msg the fucking bot |
| 02:43.37 | EmeraldCat | My favorite DOS game would have to be World Circuit. That and Grand Prix 2. |
| 02:44.01 | stoned | nah |
| 02:44.01 | EmeraldCat | I would blow hours on both... |
| 02:44.07 | stoned | my all time favorite ever! |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | Inca ? |
| 02:44.10 | stoned | TIM |
| 02:44.14 | stoned | The Incredible Machine |
| 02:44.21 | stoned | dun dun dun |
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| 02:44.42 | EmeraldCat | I prefer mindless games. ;) |
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| 02:44.48 | stoned | heh |
| 02:44.50 | Azar | mister stoned, me bows |
| 02:44.57 | abrotman | ah .. the lost art of DOS boot disks :) |
| 02:44.58 | snowbird | stone see u on flip side |
| 02:45.00 | stoned | hey Azar man where you been |
| 02:45.06 | stoned | snowbird: ok |
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| 02:45.59 | EmeraldCat | If you're looking for a good time, get DOSEmu and visit http://www.abandonia.com ;) |
| 02:46.01 | Azar | stoned: at work.. :) |
| 02:46.14 | bomana | 2 clients (so far) have trouble writing files to an i386 etch nfs server. one is an old nerdfest install the other is osx. I can mount and write files from ubuntu laptop. perms are fine, I get a 'file size limit exceeded' from the other boxes, a 0 byte file is created. ulimit is 'unlimited'. any ideas, since im about out of my own? |
| 02:46.25 | Azar | I dip my head in work as you would dip your stuff on whip cream |
| 02:46.32 | stoned | I want a rpg game basedon dragonlance |
| 02:46.35 | stoned | so far only found muds |
| 02:46.45 | stoned | with maybe 10 users tops |
| 02:46.49 | Azar | nethack |
| 02:47.12 | Azar | or if you want guy go for egoboo |
| 02:47.13 | EmeraldCat | Buck Rogers 2 was a good RPG game. |
| 02:47.18 | stoned | meh, its mindless hack n slash, I could never make it past level 8 |
| 02:47.31 | stoned | egoboo hehe sounds funny |
| 02:48.01 | EmeraldCat | The Ultima Series was good as well... |
| 02:48.55 | stoned | i like this one sierra rpg game i forgot tis name. you could go around and do quests and gain levels and if you had dialup subscription, you could online with other users, it was like back in 1994 |
| 02:48.57 | semprix | egoboo looks nice |
| 02:49.13 | EmeraldCat | King's Quest? |
| 02:49.15 | stoned | no |
| 02:49.21 | stoned | it was a dnd game i think |
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| 02:50.20 | EmeraldCat | Have you ever played Manhunter? |
| 02:50.30 | victim | how do I generate new certificates for courier-pop3d-ssl ? |
| 02:51.29 | semprix | hhmmm,,, i like flightgear |
| 02:51.31 | abrotman | victim: i'm sure there are docs in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 02:51.32 | semprix | its nice |
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| 02:51.51 | EmeraldCat | RPG? |
| 02:52.00 | stoned | aviation |
| 02:52.07 | victim | abratman: not unless i installed them :-) |
| 02:52.07 | EmeraldCat | A sim? |
| 02:52.17 | stoned | hahaha |
| 02:52.21 | stoned | abrat man |
| 02:52.22 | semprix | flight simulation game |
| 02:52.23 | stoned | lol |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | victim: did you install courier-pop3d-ssl ? |
| 02:52.58 | victim | abrotman: yes |
| 02:53.09 | abrotman | victim: so look in /usr/share/doc/courier-pop3d-ssl/ |
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| 02:53.29 | abrotman | you'll probably need make-ssl-cert too |
| 02:53.41 | semprix | flightgear is really big |
| 02:53.52 | semprix | 292MB |
| 02:54.07 | cyber-brain | i resolved a problem!bittorent files can't be runed from unwritteable particion! and how to change owner for my fat32 partition???i've tried chown from root terminal but it says that i don't have premissions to do that!any solution??? |
| 02:54.21 | semprix | http://www.flightgear.org/Gallery-v0.9.10/Link/concorde-gui.html |
| 02:54.35 | EmeraldCat | Have you heard of Noctis? |
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| 02:54.57 | EmeraldCat | That's a really good space exploration game. |
| 02:55.13 | Azar | hehe see? Debaday fixed its site... mister Nussbaum got my email |
| 02:55.15 | Supaplex | cyber-brain: man fstab and man mount. you want the user option. |
| 02:55.19 | victim | abrotman: reading - will look at make-ssl-cert as well. thanks |
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| 02:55.27 | semprix | !info noctis |
| 02:55.32 | Spiritus55 | Kaffeine was the answer to my prayers. |
| 02:55.35 | abrotman | victim: remember that for most packages .. there's always stuff in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 02:55.40 | Spiritus55 | It has the codecs for all my music formats. |
| 02:55.42 | Spiritus55 | Thanks for your help guys. |
| 02:55.53 | Spiritus55 | Although I don't really like the KDE only aspect of it. |
| 02:56.03 | abrotman | so use totem-xine |
| 02:56.12 | semprix | EmeraldCat, is that the mars exploration thingy |
| 02:56.13 | macogw | i like totem-xine |
| 02:56.16 | Spiritus55 | Totem is the sucks. |
| 02:56.21 | macogw | it handles dvds and wmv better than totem-gstreamer |
| 02:56.22 | semprix | use vlc |
| 02:56.26 | EmeraldCat | semprix, No. |
| 02:56.27 | Supaplex | mplayer in a terminal. |
| 02:56.30 | Spiritus55 | Wait is totem specifically for music? |
| 02:56.35 | macogw | no its movies too |
| 02:56.36 | EmeraldCat | semprix, I'll get you a link, hold on. |
| 02:56.47 | macogw | thats why in ubuntu's menus its called Movie Player instead of Totem |
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| 02:56.56 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 02:56.59 | EmeraldCat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noctis |
| 02:57.35 | EmeraldCat | It's a very interesting and unique game. |
| 02:57.39 | semprix | i only got 60GB |
| 02:57.47 | semprix | i have loads of apps already heh |
| 02:57.54 | cafuego | oooh that's right |
| 02:57.57 | cafuego | the NAS lives! |
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| 02:58.36 | semprix | EmeraldCat, have you tried playing it? |
| 02:59.14 | EmeraldCat | Yes. |
| 02:59.23 | EmeraldCat | I never really got far though. |
| 02:59.28 | victim | abrotman: no docs, just changelog and news |
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| 02:59.43 | victim | abrotman: running sarge on this particular machine |
| 02:59.55 | EmeraldCat | I landed on an abandoned planet and got stuck. :) |
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| 02:59.58 | abrotman | might be in the regular courier doc directory |
| 03:00.06 | Kaiten4 | Um, I chose 1000hz frequency for my new kernel and nothing drew right. Does that make sense? |
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| 03:00.32 | EmeraldCat | But if you give it a chance, you'll see it is a truly amazaing game. |
| 03:00.42 | EmeraldCat | *amazing |
| 03:00.42 | semprix | Kaiten4, hows the connection going? |
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| 03:01.29 | victim | abrotman: nope...back to googling |
| 03:01.40 | cast | i'm a bit confused, can i enable SELinux and use exim if i'm running in targeted mode? i feel i should be able to since targeted is that...targeted, but bug reports/docs say you can't use SELinux and exim since there's no policy |
| 03:01.54 | Kaiten4 | semprix: still blown |
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| 03:02.27 | semprix | really? hhmm... i have you give your isp a ring? |
| 03:02.33 | Kaiten4 | I don't know how I can explain this to my girlfriend, i was talking to her over VOIP and I don't have another phone.. |
| 03:02.53 | Kaiten4 | semprix: if it's not working by time I come home tomorrow |
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| 03:03.51 | semprix | Kaiten4, shes starting to freak out this time |
| 03:04.22 | semprix | well if you havent touched your iptables and that traceroutes really shows something is wrong with the backbones |
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| 03:04.49 | Kaiten4 | hm I could boot windows, but I doubt that's the problem, and I'm in the middle of a kernel compilation |
| 03:05.07 | Kaiten4 | It's not my router either as I'm directly plugged into it now |
| 03:05.55 | Kaiten4 | the cable modem that is |
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| 03:06.10 | semprix | so if you use the windows box the connection is ok? |
| 03:06.20 | Kaiten4 | semprix: haven't tried it yet |
| 03:06.27 | semprix | :) |
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| 03:06.39 | Kaiten4 | I feel like I should now |
| 03:06.45 | Kaiten4 | no |
| 03:06.52 | jetx | reminds me of nautilus |
| 03:07.02 | Kaiten4 | because the voip box is plugged into the router, and that wasn't working either |
| 03:07.04 | victim | abrotman: ok, I see how make-ssl-cert works...I'll try that |
| 03:07.08 | Kaiten4 | so it's both devices |
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| 03:07.45 | semprix | victim, abrotman is gone |
| 03:08.08 | macogw | anyone else getting 404's on apt? |
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| 03:08.22 | Kaiten4 | macogw: what server? |
| 03:08.29 | macogw | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:08.41 | macogw | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 204.152.191.7 80] |
| 03:09.11 | Kaiten4 | macogw: it's not pinging |
| 03:09.23 | semprix | macogw, |
| 03:09.25 | semprix | me too |
| 03:09.26 | Kaiten4 | macogw: but don't listen to me, my entire connection is fucked up |
| 03:09.31 | semprix | 07:14:26 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 03:09.51 | macogw | but then, other packages work fine |
| 03:09.55 | macogw | even ones on that server |
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| 03:10.05 | Kaiten4 | maybe it's no longer on the server? apt-get update? old package? |
| 03:10.14 | macogw | i just did apt-get update |
| 03:10.23 | macogw | then i installed aterm and during aterm's install it said that |
| 03:10.23 | semprix | are you on stable? |
| 03:10.27 | macogw | yeah |
| 03:11.15 | macogw | i should install testing on my lappy... |
| 03:11.35 | macogw | think there's anything wrong with having a stable ubuntu and a testing debian share one ~? |
| 03:11.45 | Kaiten4 | testing is nice right now |
| 03:11.52 | macogw | etch doesnt support my laptop's hardware properly |
| 03:11.56 | Kaiten4 | you'll like it better than ubuntu |
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| 03:12.18 | macogw | i dont know what it is exactly...cpu freq scaling maybe...but i get these lovely lockups |
| 03:12.26 | semprix | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=stable&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=linux-image-2.6.18&searchon=all |
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| 03:12.47 | macogw | tried using etch again today, but it only took 2 minutes for it to hard freeze |
| 03:12.49 | Kaiten4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:13.03 | macogw | i cant keep debian booted long enough to compile a kernel |
| 03:13.10 | Kaiten4 | chroot? |
| 03:13.31 | macogw | that could work... |
| 03:13.36 | Kaiten4 | does it work under ubuntu? |
| 03:13.40 | macogw | yeah |
| 03:13.49 | Kaiten4 | then ubuntu probably has a more recent kernel |
| 03:14.06 | macogw | ubuntu used to have this problem (though it would take a few hours before it locked) and it went away with either edgy or feisty |
| 03:14.10 | dondelelcaro | macogw: have you tried booting with noacpi? |
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| 03:14.14 | macogw | edgy was 2.6.17, so that's older than etch |
| 03:14.18 | yurimxpxman | any ideas how to download the videos on this page? http://www.purevolume.com/videos/mxpx/sessions I'm stumped :/ |
| 03:14.20 | Kaiten4 | You could also google "linux <insert your laptop model here>" |
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| 03:14.55 | macogw | the only page ive seen about linux on my laptop is the one i did for mobiletux or linuxlaptops.org or whatever it is |
| 03:15.15 | macogw | 2.6.20 on debian might work fine |
| 03:15.18 | macogw | if its a kernel thing |
| 03:15.26 | Kaiten4 | macogw: hm sounds like some kernel option that is either enabled or disabled causing the lockups... I used to get hard freezes on etch when I would compile kernels on a celeron 500 machine |
| 03:15.26 | macogw | idk if its kernel or something else going wonky |
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| 03:15.58 | macogw | i dont use any kernel options on ubuntu |
| 03:16.12 | macogw | i figure testing's worth a shot |
| 03:16.21 | Kaiten4 | macogw: I mean like in make menuconfig, whoever distributes the prebuilt kernels |
| 03:16.33 | macogw | because AFAICT, *something* has been upgraded which fixed it and that upgrade didnt make it into etch |
| 03:16.44 | macogw | oh |
| 03:17.57 | Gm4n | I'm doing a brand new install of debian etch, told it to format the whole disk, and to only have one partition (for new users) |
| 03:18.02 | Kaiten4 | A lot of laptops have seriously messed up BIOS and low level firmware... |
| 03:18.09 | Gm4n | now, during the install, it's asking me about uswsusp's swap configuration |
| 03:18.09 | macogw | Gm4n: what about swap? |
| 03:18.27 | Gm4n | macogw: I'm pretty sure it made a swap partition |
| 03:18.29 | Kaiten4 | Gm4n: i noticed that when I installed earlier too |
| 03:18.31 | Gm4n | I chose "all files on one partition" |
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| 03:18.44 | Kaiten4 | Gm4n: probably did |
| 03:18.53 | macogw | oh i thought you meant you used the partitioner and didnt make a swap partition |
| 03:18.58 | Gm4n | it asks me if I want to continue without a valid swap partition, do I chose yes or no? |
| 03:19.00 | macogw | i have no idea how the automagic stuff works |
| 03:19.16 | Kaiten4 | Gm4n: choose no if you possibly want suspend to work |
| 03:19.31 | Kaiten4 | if not, yes |
| 03:20.07 | macogw | Kaiten4: is it true that suspend/hibernate require 2x the ram for swap or is that just "tradition" from the days of super-limited memory? |
| 03:20.13 | Gm4n | it's going to be a server, no suspend needed |
| 03:20.28 | Kaiten4 | macogw: dunno, haven't tried to suspend yet :) |
| 03:20.31 | macogw | ok |
| 03:20.45 | Kaiten4 | macogw: I have 1.1 gb of ram and a .5gb swap partition |
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| 03:21.08 | macogw | i was told by one friend that does some kernel stuff that more than 256mb of swap is ridiculous as swapping is to be avoided, but i forgot to ask him about suspend/hibernate |
| 03:21.10 | Kaiten4 | macogw: choose yes, and when the system boots confirm that there is a swap partition |
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| 03:21.21 | macogw | Gm4n: that was for you, not me |
| 03:21.56 | Kaiten4 | Yeah. I almost never swap. |
| 03:22.03 | macogw | someone on #ubuntu suggested using ramdisks instead of having 4gb of swap to someone, but idk how those work |
| 03:22.10 | Kaiten4 | Unless I'm doing very heavy file transfers |
| 03:22.12 | macogw | my laptop doesnt swap |
| 03:22.24 | macogw | well wait... |
| 03:22.28 | macogw | with Sabayon, it could swap |
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| 03:22.34 | macogw | i'm sure it swapped a LOT |
| 03:22.36 | Kaiten4 | macogw: what's that? |
| 03:22.41 | macogw | gentoo based distro |
| 03:22.46 | macogw | HUGE |
| 03:22.49 | Kaiten4 | ahh yes compilation |
| 03:22.53 | macogw | no not just htat |
| 03:23.00 | macogw | at least 3 seconds to open firefox |
| 03:23.06 | macogw | i'm not talking about package managers right now |
| 03:23.18 | macogw | i swear, EVERYTHING is installed by default |
| 03:23.27 | mesof | macogw: i couldn't agree more |
| 03:23.36 | macogw | GNOME, KDE, Fluxbox, Enlightenment, and XFCE are *all* installed by default |
| 03:23.42 | mesof | macogw: and the mail thing needs to go somewhere |
| 03:23.46 | Kaiten4 | macogw: well, if everything is installed, it's just taking up storage, and not neccessarily running |
| 03:24.00 | macogw | i think it starts like 50 billion processes |
| 03:24.04 | Kaiten4 | thus not swapping |
| 03:24.08 | Kaiten4 | ah |
| 03:24.17 | macogw | beryl is there by default, but i use beryl full-time on ubuntu with no swapping |
| 03:24.29 | Kaiten4 | I see |
| 03:24.32 | cafuego | macogw: If you have 4GB ram and don't want to swap, tell the kernel to not swap and make 4GB of space anyway, so you can hibernate. |
| 03:24.56 | macogw | cafuego: i have 1gb, i just dont ever need to swap |
| 03:25.01 | cafuego | macogw: sysctl vm.swappiness=0 |
| 03:25.17 | macogw | cafuego: so its same amount of swap and ram then? not double? |
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| 03:25.35 | cafuego | macogw: for hibernate? No, just a wee bit extra |
| 03:25.38 | Kaiten4 | I'll try to hibernate after my kernel is done cooking |
| 03:25.50 | cafuego | macogw: You can add vm.swappiness=0 to /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 03:26.08 | Kaiten4 | Swap is nice for live cds though |
| 03:26.08 | macogw | cafuego: whats vm stand for? |
| 03:26.12 | mesof | does anyone here run icewm ? |
| 03:26.13 | cafuego | virtual memory |
| 03:26.29 | macogw | oh ok |
| 03:26.32 | jetx | #icewm |
| 03:26.36 | jetx | !ask |
| 03:26.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:26.37 | macogw | on this nice old pentium 2, i have 4mb of swap in use |
| 03:26.37 | cast | at least, if its autoenabled |
| 03:26.48 | macogw | there's only 192mb total |
| 03:26.55 | Kaiten4 | cast: why? |
| 03:27.06 | cafuego | macogw: swappiness controls whether the kernel will page out idle stuff and use the freed ram as cache |
| 03:27.20 | macogw | i see |
| 03:27.20 | cast | Kaiten4: because it involves writing to the hard disk, i like livecds that don't touch the hd unless you ask them to |
| 03:27.37 | Kaiten4 | cast: that's understandable. |
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| 03:27.59 | cafuego | My box is using 400-odd mb of swap atm |
| 03:28.00 | duke3d | hey.. is there any way I can get the installation manual on a single pdf or html file? |
| 03:28.06 | duke3d | I want to read it offline |
| 03:28.13 | mesof | why does xterm just like jump the entire line to another line |
| 03:28.21 | mesof | i have wrap turned off |
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| 03:29.16 | Kaiten4 | only if your needed memory goes over the ram, no? |
| 03:29.31 | cafuego | No |
| 03:29.32 | macogw | *shrug* i rather like having this old thing work well...windows 98 would still likely be faster for about 5 minutes...then it'd be on a botnot |
| 03:29.35 | macogw | *botnet |
| 03:29.41 | cast | cafuego: measurably? :) |
| 03:30.55 | cafuego | feel free as well. leave the tree alone. |
| 03:31.02 | duke3d | hey.. is there any way I can get the installation manual on a single pdf or html file? |
| 03:31.14 | macogw | there's a manual? |
| 03:31.29 | macogw | 1. put in the cd 2. press enter when it asks if you want to install |
| 03:31.35 | macogw | O_o |
| 03:31.44 | duke3d | yess.. but i want to read it....... |
| 03:31.49 | jetx | !install |
| 03:31.50 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 03:31.53 | duke3d | just in case |
| 03:32.01 | jetx | !install guide |
| 03:32.01 | dpkg | well, install guide is The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual. For ETCH See http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html . Also ask me about IG </msg dpkg IG> |
| 03:32.10 | cast | i think for my situation, 2gb of ram, running e16, xmms, screen, aterm, irssi, swap makes no difference to my desktop experience. i'm sure swap can help, but personally i can not see any difference in performance |
| 03:32.18 | cafuego | Kaiten4: The kernel can put unused apps into swap and use the ram it frees that was as disk cache, which speeds up apps and disk i/o on the whole system. As soon as the swapped out app is needed, the disk cache (which has been flushed) is cleared and the app in question is put back into ram. |
| 03:33.06 | Kaiten4 | cafuego: if you have enough ram, does it really need to be swapped out? |
| 03:33.19 | Kaiten4 | cafuego: I've never catched my swap partition go over 4kb |
| 03:33.43 | cafuego | Kaiten4: If using that ram to make disk access faster helps? why not? |
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| 03:33.46 | Kaiten4 | We're all swap disbelieving heretics :) |
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| 03:34.15 | Kaiten4 | brb testing new cooked kernel |
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| 03:34.43 | macogw | lovely...got another case of bad cvs. that's fun |
| 03:35.15 | cast | oh, howso? |
| 03:36.14 | macogw | i compiled e17 from a snapshot because it checked it out of cvs on a day when there was breakage |
| 03:36.41 | macogw | i got evfs out of their cvs a couple weeks ago, and it doesnt "make" |
| 03:36.54 | cast | well, cvs is cvs. |
| 03:37.04 | macogw | yeah |
| 03:37.15 | macogw | maybe its fixed by now |
| 03:37.22 | cast | maybe ask in the e17 room if the current cvs is broken or not |
| 03:37.38 | macogw | people keep track of that? |
| 03:38.03 | jetx | i heard e17 is like vaporware almost |
| 03:38.12 | jetx | or devving on it |
| 03:38.15 | cast | uh, sorry, its #e i think, not e17 |
| 03:38.22 | cast | jetx: e17 is quite usable right now. |
| 03:38.27 | macogw | im using it right now |
| 03:38.46 | macogw | its "alpha" and really stable |
| 03:38.53 | macogw | well, if you grab a snapshot |
| 03:38.58 | macogw | only the base stuff is snapshot'd though |
| 03:39.07 | macogw | the efl-based apps are all cvs |
| 03:39.20 | cast | and e16/17 is neat that when it does crash it restarts and you hardly notice it crashed in the first place |
| 03:39.32 | lunk | is there way to install an unstable version of a single package? like wine? |
| 03:39.44 | cast | macogw: i just compiled from cvs, and had good luck. |
| 03:39.56 | jetx | !tell lunk -about backports |
| 03:40.03 | jetx | !tell lunk -about simple sid backport |
| 03:40.15 | pipeline_ | cast: ...when it does crash? |
| 03:40.25 | macogw | thats what im wondering |
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| 03:41.12 | lunk | sweet |
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| 03:44.11 | K`zan | How does one get rid of this automounter for the CDs? |
| 03:44.50 | jetx | move the mount point out from under /media |
| 03:45.01 | lunk | jetx: thanks man |
| 03:45.05 | jetx | np |
| 03:45.26 | K`zan | jetx: Thanks, this is getting to be real PITA when konqeror thinks it is mounted and you have to reboot to clear it. |
| 03:45.27 | lunk | after years of gentoo administration, debian is like a godsend sometimes |
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| 03:46.19 | jetx | K`zan: let me know if that doesn't work. :) i observed that behavior once. |
| 03:46.25 | K`zan | err - there is nothing under /mnt: {/mnt} $ ls -a |
| 03:46.25 | K`zan | . .. |
| 03:46.26 | mesof | what is the portmap daemon and what does it do? |
| 03:46.34 | jetx | /media |
| 03:46.38 | K`zan | ah! |
| 03:46.39 | jetx | is where it is |
| 03:46.50 | K`zan | :-) thanks, long, LONG day :-) |
| 03:49.01 | yurimxpxman | what's the device name of the RAM? |
| 03:49.30 | cast | /proc/kcore? |
| 03:50.08 | jetx | !portmap |
| 03:50.08 | dpkg | portmap is, like, for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 03:50.18 | jetx | !rpc |
| 03:50.18 | dpkg | i guess rpc is remote procedure call, a protocol used for executing procedures on a (usually remote) server |
| 03:50.26 | krazykit | !msg the bot |
| 03:50.26 | dpkg | i guess msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 03:50.36 | jetx | !sacrifice krazykit |
| 03:50.55 | jetx | ok i'm pacified |
| 03:53.38 | jetx | wait no i'm not... need more coffee |
| 03:53.47 | jetx | !sacrifice krazykit |
| 03:54.27 | jetx | ok |
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| 03:56.55 | simonrvn | !lart krazykit |
| 03:57.05 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 03:57.31 | jetx | hey that error the other day was on jfs simonrvn ? |
| 03:57.40 | simonrvn | xfs |
| 03:57.49 | jetx | ah |
| 03:57.51 | simonrvn | bug in the kernel it's running |
| 03:58.01 | jetx | never saw that error before |
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| 03:58.05 | simonrvn | older kernel, so presumably they've fixed it by now |
| 03:58.13 | cafuego | xfs has no bugs, be silent |
| 03:58.15 | simonrvn | i made /usr ext3 |
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| 03:58.22 | simonrvn | !lart cafuego |
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| 03:58.30 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 03:58.31 | cafuego | xfs has no bugs, be silent very slowly |
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| 03:58.37 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 03:58.48 | cafuego | this the .17 issue? |
| 03:58.58 | simonrvn | no, later version |
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| 03:59.05 | cafuego | woops |
| 03:59.25 | simonrvn | .21 |
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| 04:01.28 | cafuego | I can't even recall if any of my VMs use xfs |
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| 04:01.49 | onats | how do i define the hostname for my debian machine? in my router, it only sees an * for it |
| 04:01.51 | simonrvn | i've switched to using jfs or ext3 now |
| 04:02.26 | cafuego | not are on ext3, but possibly 1 or 2 on xfs |
| 04:02.27 | simonrvn | /etc/hostname; /etc/hosts |
| 04:02.30 | cafuego | s/not/most/. |
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| 04:04.12 | onats | simonrvn, for it to appear properly, do i have to define an ip address, say 192.168.1.xxx <hostname> |
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| 04:04.33 | simonrvn | for? |
| 04:04.51 | onats | in hosts i mean.. |
| 04:05.02 | onats | because on my router, it only sees it as an '*' |
| 04:05.16 | simonrvn | /etc/hosts should already have stuff there |
| 04:05.32 | simonrvn | your router won't see that hosts' hosts file ... |
| 04:05.35 | onats | it does have a definition for 127.0.0.1 |
| 04:05.37 | sideone | glibc fails with a problem that says 'Your kernel version indicates a revision number |
| 04:05.38 | simonrvn | host's* |
| 04:05.38 | onats | would that be enough? |
| 04:05.40 | sideone | of 255 or greater' |
| 04:05.47 | sideone | when i try to install from apt |
| 04:06.01 | sideone | my kernal is named something other than stock |
| 04:06.30 | sideone | havent worked on kernals before, can anyone point me to a good howto to fix this issue? |
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| 04:07.07 | zerokill88 | so i assume debian doesnt support ipw3945 sense my wireless isnt connecting |
| 04:07.31 | Wyzard | zerokill88: There are packages for it so presumably it's supported, but it won't work unless you install those packages |
| 04:07.46 | jetx | man kernel-pkg.conf sideone and pass --append-to-version= |
| 04:08.00 | sideone | thx |
| 04:08.09 | zerokill88 | Wyzard ok kool, would you happent o know wich ones? im on ubuntu right now and owuld have to save the package to a disc and tranfer it over to debina |
| 04:08.24 | Wyzard | zerokill88: The standard kernel has the driver itself, but the driver needs firmware and a special userspace daemon running, and those are in packages which aren't installed by default |
| 04:08.44 | Wyzard | zerokill88: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ipw3945&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 04:08.47 | zerokill88 | like ipw3945.ucode and the deamon? |
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| 04:09.11 | Wyzard | zerokill88: You need firmware-ipw3945, ipw3945d, and the ipw3945-modules package for whichever kernel you're using |
| 04:09.35 | Wyzard | zerokill88: (and I was wrong about the standard kernel containing the driver module... that's what's in the ipw3945-modules packages, apparently) |
| 04:09.35 | zerokill88 | so theres no .deb package which will automate all that for me? |
| 04:09.50 | Wyzard | There doesn't seem to be a metapackage which pulls them all in |
| 04:10.06 | zerokill88 | hmmm they should |
| 04:10.07 | Wyzard | but it's not particularly difficult to install three packages |
| 04:10.13 | zerokill88 | thats true |
| 04:10.22 | zerokill88 | but once they are installed what do i do then? |
| 04:10.32 | Wyzard | Well, it'd be tricky to make a metapackage since there are a bunch of ipw3945-modules packages and you need the right one for your running kernel |
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| 04:10.38 | Wyzard | Package dependencies can't express that |
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| 04:10.48 | Arrick | jetscreamer you here? |
| 04:10.49 | zerokill88 | also does modprobe come installed? because i have the man pages for it but that command is not found when itry to use it |
| 04:10.59 | jetx | yeah |
| 04:11.00 | blow_bitch | is there an ebook irc channel? |
| 04:11.04 | jetx | wazzzzup |
| 04:11.13 | Arrick | whats that command you wanted me to run? |
| 04:11.15 | Wyzard | zerokill88: /sbin/modprobe is in the module-init-tools package, which is part of a standard install |
| 04:11.20 | jetx | ##adobe maybe |
| 04:11.29 | blow_bitch | adobe? |
| 04:11.30 | jetx | Arrick: uname -r |
| 04:11.47 | zerokill88 | wyzard every time i tried using it i got an error, command not found |
| 04:11.52 | Arrick | 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 04:11.54 | Wyzard | zerokill88: Were you running it as root? |
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| 04:11.59 | jetx | ahh |
| 04:12.01 | jetx | r1 |
| 04:12.04 | zerokill88 | wyzard ya i believe so |
| 04:12.06 | Arrick | yeah |
| 04:12.17 | Wyzard | zerokill88: Try running "/sbin/modprobe" and see if that works |
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| 04:13.18 | zerokill88 | wyzard i will try that |
| 04:13.38 | Wyzard | zerokill88: If the file /sbin/modprobe doesn't exist on your system, something is seriously wrong with your installation |
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| 04:14.11 | zerokill88 | wyzard yes there owuld be and i would have to reinstall, i will check for that, also once i install those pacakges, what do i do next |
| 04:14.41 | du | everytime i try to install anything on my new install it says, "will require temporarily removing the essential pakage e2fsprogs" and tells me to activate APT::Force-LoopBreak, but that doesnt fix it either, just makes things worse |
| 04:15.02 | Wyzard | zerokill88: I don't have an ipw3945, (though I do have an ipw2200), but presumably once you've started ipw3945d and modprobed ipw3945, it should be the same as configuring any other wireless card |
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| 04:15.22 | Wyzard | zerokill88: Edit /etc/network/interfaces, or use something like NetworkManager (and remove the interface from /etc/network/interfaces in that case) |
| 04:15.27 | zerokill88 | wyzard ok thanks , also one more thing, do u know what kernel comes with debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 04:15.42 | Wyzard | zerokill88: etch ships with 2.6.18 |
| 04:15.47 | zerokill88 | ok thanks |
| 04:15.57 | bloodskin | are there any free partition managers out there? ive tried google but have had no sucess |
| 04:16.05 | bloodskin | or does debian include one |
| 04:16.05 | Wyzard | zerokill88: As for which variant, like -686 or whatever, boot it and run "uname -r" |
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| 04:16.50 | zerokill88 | wyzard ok |
| 04:16.54 | Wyzard | bloodskin: I don't know of any GUI ones (mainly because I haven't looked for them), but cfdisk works fine |
| 04:17.09 | du | cani make /var/ bigger after ive installed? |
| 04:17.17 | bloodskin | that will allow me to shrink the partition, correct? |
| 04:17.26 | Wyzard | bloodskin: In a limited way |
| 04:17.37 | bloodskin | what do you mean |
| 04:17.38 | Wyzard | du: If you have a way to safely enlarge the partition it's on |
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| 04:18.07 | Wyzard | bloodskin, du: You can resize a partition by deleting it in fdisk and recreating it with the *same starting location* but a different end |
| 04:18.22 | du | but wont that delete all the files? |
| 04:18.25 | Wyzard | bloodskin: You'd need to first shrink the filesystem (using something like resize2fs), then shrink the partition |
| 04:18.47 | du | wyzrd any ideas about the install problem i got ^ |
| 04:18.49 | Wyzard | du: No, because the partition table is just some numbers at the beginning of the disk... deleting one doesn't delete the filesystem it contains |
| 04:18.55 | Wyzard | just makes it inaccessible |
| 04:18.55 | bloodskin | ok, i will google for that |
| 04:18.56 | zerokill88 | wyzard major problem on this page http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fcontrib%2Fl%2Flinux-modules-contrib-2.6%2Fipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18%2B1.1.2-4%2Betch1_i386.deb&md5sum=c52d0df9412ba1fd72a051eddffc0556&arch=i386&type=main |
| 04:19.02 | bloodskin | one final question |
| 04:19.02 | Wyzard | Create a new one with the same starting location and it's accessible again |
| 04:19.14 | Wyzard | so if there's free space after the partition, you can make the new one bigger |
| 04:19.20 | du | ight im out of here for now, thanks wiz |
| 04:19.29 | bloodskin | i dont know how to word this |
| 04:19.41 | Wyzard | zerokill88: What's the problem? |
| 04:19.54 | bloodskin | ok, |
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| 04:20.00 | zerokill88 | wyzard NONE of the links work |
| 04:20.06 | bloodskin | i have a 64 bit installation on this hdd |
| 04:20.13 | bloodskin | its 7.47 gb |
| 04:20.28 | bloodskin | my other hdd is 40 gb and has a windows installation |
| 04:20.48 | Wyzard | zerokill88: I can't think of any reason why that would happen, considering that the page itself loaded fine so clearly your network is working |
| 04:20.49 | bloodskin | i want to use debian as my main system and boot into windows when i want to do some gameing |
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| 04:20.56 | bloodskin | but first |
| 04:21.10 | bloodskin | i want to switch to an x86 system |
| 04:21.13 | zerokill88 | wyzard i belive they must have renamed the file |
| 04:21.20 | Wyzard | bloodskin: You mean 32-bit rather than 64-bit? |
| 04:21.27 | bloodskin | because 64 bit isnt widely supported |
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| 04:21.33 | Wyzard | bloodskin: You can't do that in-place; you have to reinstall |
| 04:21.35 | maddash | some of the dependencies in lenny are pretty fucked up. case in point: aptitude. |
| 04:21.38 | bloodskin | i know |
| 04:21.39 | stoned | simonrvn: you here, or there? |
| 04:21.39 | Wyzard | 64-bit is pretty well-supported though |
| 04:21.42 | bloodskin | thats what im getting at |
| 04:21.52 | Wyzard | I've been running it on this system since January |
| 04:22.07 | stoned | http://paste.debian.net/35253 <- if you get a chance take a look at this |
| 04:22.18 | Wyzard | The only supported-ness issues I've encountered is lack of 64-bit versions of a few closed-source programs: Flash, Google Earth, and the Java browser plugin |
| 04:22.21 | bloodskin | wyzard, i would rather get familiar with the linux x86 system before venturing into the 64 bit world |
| 04:22.32 | Wyzard | Other than that, it's no different from 32-bit Debian |
| 04:22.51 | bloodskin | flash and java are what made me decide to switch |
| 04:22.58 | bloodskin | because i do alot of research online |
| 04:22.59 | stoned | and 64bit codecs for media |
| 04:23.01 | bloodskin | but anyways |
| 04:23.09 | Wyzard | There's 64-bit Java, just not the plugin for running applets in a browser |
| 04:23.24 | Wyzard | and Flash now works in unstable thanks to nspluginwrapper; there's probably a backport package available for that |
| 04:23.24 | bloodskin | it is manditory to repartition your hdd to do a net install right? |
| 04:23.30 | stoned | ia32libs, wine, chroot 32bit, nspluginwrapper |
| 04:23.35 | stoned | few options you have still |
| 04:23.40 | bloodskin | or can i install to this hdd using a different hdd with windows on it |
| 04:23.52 | bloodskin | using no removable media whatsoever |
| 04:24.14 | Wyzard | Are you talking about netbooting the installer? |
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| 04:24.22 | bloodskin | indeed |
| 04:24.22 | Wyzard | "netinstall" still uses removable media to start the process |
| 04:24.29 | Wyzard | just doesn't contain the whole installer on the media |
| 04:24.37 | simonrvn | stoned: where? |
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| 04:24.50 | bloodskin | i know that its possible |
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| 04:25.00 | bloodskin | using something like chroot? i think it was |
| 04:25.17 | Wyzard | For netbooting you need to set up a boot server on another computer, to serve the installation image; it *might* be possible to do that with Windows Server 2003, but probably not with XP |
| 04:25.17 | bloodskin | again i am a linux noob, if you will |
| 04:25.26 | bloodskin | newb, however you wish to spell it |
| 04:25.29 | Wyzard | Once the installer is booted it's no different from any other installation |
| 04:25.53 | bloodskin | oh, i do have a working floppy drive, i forgot |
| 04:26.04 | bloodskin | i just forget which box its in |
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| 04:26.12 | bloodskin | thank you wyzard |
| 04:26.21 | Wyzard | You don't have a CD burner? |
| 04:26.33 | bloodskin | that i do not |
| 04:26.40 | Wyzard | It'd be worth getting one, and they're pretty inexpensive |
| 04:26.43 | bloodskin | i have a copy of linux on cd |
| 04:26.52 | bloodskin | but its ubuntu |
| 04:26.53 | Wyzard | I think USB flash drives are also a supported installation method, if your BIOS supports booting from one |
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| 04:27.00 | Gm4n | how do I change a sysctl value permanantly? |
| 04:27.05 | bloodskin | and i want the sexier debian |
| 04:27.11 | bloodskin | because it seems more stable |
| 04:27.14 | maddash | `aptitude markauto aptitude` and you're forced to purge aptitude. nice. |
| 04:27.16 | Wyzard | Gm4n: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 04:27.24 | simonrvn | Wyzard: who are you talking to? |
| 04:27.37 | linux_jones | i have 2 questions, why dont the f buttons change desktops for me? and why is it when i apt-get anything it says the package cant be varified? |
| 04:27.42 | bloodskin | heres the thing |
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| 04:27.53 | cafuego | !eye simonrvn |
| 04:27.56 | bloodskin | i have a dfi k8m800 board |
| 04:27.58 | Wyzard | simonrvn: bloodskin |
| 04:28.00 | bloodskin | which in the bios |
| 04:28.04 | simonrvn | oh |
| 04:28.07 | bloodskin | supports usb booting |
| 04:28.09 | bloodskin | but |
| 04:28.13 | Gm4n | thanks, Wyzard =) |
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| 04:28.14 | Guerin | !enter |
| 04:28.14 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 04:28.31 | bloodskin | i used a tutorial |
| 04:28.35 | Gm4n | ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', reminds me of a regular expression, almost |
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| 04:28.57 | supporto_explore | :D |
| 04:29.00 | bloodskin | and even made a video (on windows) |
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| 04:29.23 | Wyzard | bloodskin: You used a tutorial and a video for what? |
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| 04:29.43 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:29.43 | bloodskin | and showedit to someone, of me making the usb drive bootable, |
| 04:29.46 | bloodskin | and it failed |
| 04:29.58 | bloodskin | now, since then i have updated my bios |
| 04:29.59 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:30.05 | bloodskin | so maybe that was fixed |
| 04:30.06 | simonrvn | !_! |
| 04:30.07 | dpkg | somebody said _ was ALT-255 |
| 04:30.15 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 04:30.37 | Guerin | simonrvn: man, I'm not stoned, but I feel like I should be |
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| 04:31.01 | bloodskin | im not sure but i believe i used windows format utility and made a windows boot disk or whatever |
| 04:31.04 | bloodskin | and it failed |
| 04:31.09 | Wyzard | You don't have to do anything special to make the drive itself bootable... the Debian install image (if it still exists; I'm not sure) is already bootable, and you write it to the flash drive with the "dd" command, from your Ubuntu CD or something |
| 04:31.10 | bloodskin | so i know that its the board |
| 04:31.24 | simonrvn | Guerin: sometimes i feel that i really am stoned, reality is just too fucked up or weird |
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| 04:31.57 | Wyzard | As for configuring the BIOS to boot from it, that's usually fairly straightforward, but if you're having trouble getting that working, why not just ask a friend to burn a CD for you? |
| 04:32.06 | Wyzard | It'd be a lot easier than setting up a boot server to netboot the installer |
| 04:32.55 | Wyzard | You can get a CD burner yourself for around $40 USD |
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| 04:33.15 | simonrvn | ext3 is lower cpu usgae than xfs, so there's that bonus ;) |
| 04:33.15 | freetos_ | does anybody know how to tell what ports are open on my etch box? |
| 04:33.22 | simonrvn | netstat |
| 04:33.28 | freetos_ | thanks |
| 04:33.30 | bloodskin | sorry, was away |
| 04:33.32 | bloodskin | anyways |
| 04:33.42 | Wyzard | freetos_: or scan it with nmap from another box |
| 04:33.51 | bloodskin | i had a friend burn me a disk, but i was a fool and decided to go with ubuntu |
| 04:33.51 | Guerin | bloodskin: keep your thoughts on one line, so we can follow what you're on about |
| 04:33.53 | simonrvn | not localhost ;) |
| 04:33.55 | bloodskin | never did install it |
| 04:34.22 | bloodskin | my appologies guerin. im used to small networks and channels |
| 04:34.23 | xaque | Hey, I have a laptop that I installed laptop_toosl er whatever its called, and I think it is reducing the power that is given to the wifi card on boot, which makes my signal strength for the wireless network unusably low. How can I increase the power or check for other things that might be causing this? |
| 04:34.36 | Wyzard | bloodskin: A Debian CD, you mean? |
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| 04:34.47 | Wyzard | bloodskin: So use that if you still have it, and if not, ask your friend to burn it again |
| 04:34.56 | bloodskin | no, like i said, it was a mistake |
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| 04:35.00 | Wyzard | bloodskin: Blank CDs are very very cheap, and it only takes a few minutes to burn one |
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| 04:35.17 | bloodskin | well, i have an ipod wich is a 30 gb drive |
| 04:35.24 | haxality | hi, I was wondering how I could set my external hard drive to automatically sleep after a certain time period of inactivity |
| 04:35.30 | haxality | I know it's possible with hdparm, I just don't remember how |
| 04:36.01 | bloodskin | so i will see if the bios patch made that work. if not i think i have a floppy drive somewhere and will use that |
| 04:36.23 | simonrvn | floppy installs are a pain, but doable |
| 04:37.07 | simonrvn | cafuego: fyi, it's called /ignore -replies ;) |
| 04:37.13 | Wyzard | using floppies just to begin a netinstall, hopefully |
| 04:37.44 | haxality | anyone? |
| 04:37.50 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 04:37.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:38.03 | yurimxpxman | is there a way to dump individual files from wireshark? |
| 04:38.08 | stoned | http://paste.debian.net/35253 |
| 04:38.11 | stoned | hey |
| 04:38.13 | stoned | check this out |
| 04:38.15 | stoned | this is hilarious |
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| 04:38.16 | Guerin | haxality: man hdparm |
| 04:38.17 | simonrvn | Wyzard: yeh, you have to do netinst |
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| 04:38.46 | haxality | Guerin, I did that already. The only thing in the manpage is an option to force sleep mode. |
| 04:39.01 | Guerin | haxality: then it can't be done. |
| 04:39.14 | haxality | fair enough, I just distinctly remember doing it. |
| 04:39.27 | bloodskin | also, is there, of the top of your head, an install that will work on a machine that has a 333mhz intel prostituter on a board holding 32mb of ram with massive disk space? |
| 04:39.33 | bloodskin | off* |
| 04:39.33 | simonrvn | likely some other tool |
| 04:39.34 | haxality | blargh! I am a fool |
| 04:39.39 | haxality | hooray outdated man pages |
| 04:39.47 | Guerin | haxality: ? |
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| 04:39.50 | haxality | I got it :) |
| 04:40.03 | simonrvn | 'prostituter'? |
| 04:40.06 | haxality | it's just proof that at least under linux, RTFM always works |
| 04:40.09 | haxality | :P |
| 04:40.20 | bloodskin | lol, someone caught that joke in there |
| 04:40.21 | Guerin | haxality: *shock* |
| 04:40.21 | tonsofpcs | no, it's RTFm. man is lowercase. |
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| 04:40.30 | bloodskin | but yes, thats a real question |
| 04:40.38 | haxality | well, I just meant the generic phrase RTFM |
| 04:40.45 | haxality | but yes, technically RTFman |
| 04:41.00 | simonrvn | it's an acronym, in proper spelling you make them all caps |
| 04:41.25 | Guerin | especially since one of those words is the |
| 04:41.26 | Wyzard | bloodskin: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 04:41.38 | Wyzard | bloodskin: says 64MB is recommended and 48MB is minimum |
| 04:41.38 | tonsofpcs | simonrvn: but how do you exlain that it stands for Read The F Man? who is Man? |
| 04:41.55 | simonrvn | stands for Manual, not Man |
| 04:42.03 | simonrvn | *rolls eyes* |
| 04:42.20 | Guerin | and it doesn't stand for read the f man |
| 04:42.21 | xaque | Why is the signal strength to on one laptop is perfect and the laptop sitting next to it is like 20%? |
| 04:42.30 | haxality | oh, linux IRC channels. how I love them. |
| 04:42.31 | Guerin | that makes no sense - nyone can read the letter `f' |
| 04:42.38 | bloodskin | i found my floppy drive. im just going to do a network install. i hope it only takes 2 disks. and as far as that other machine goes, i saw that. |
| 04:42.39 | simonrvn | man f |
| 04:42.47 | simonrvn | 'no such manual page' |
| 04:42.53 | Guerin | aww |
| 04:42.55 | xaque | haxality: viva la resistance |
| 04:43.00 | simonrvn | bloodskin: 3 minimum |
| 04:43.08 | bloodskin | damn |
| 04:43.21 | simonrvn | boot, root, and net-drivers |
| 04:43.31 | simonrvn | or cd-drivers |
| 04:43.41 | bloodskin | is it possible to chroot install or whatever its called |
| 04:43.44 | Guerin | which all become beer coasters soon after |
| 04:43.52 | Guerin | bloodskin: yes. |
| 04:43.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe |
| 04:44.10 | stoned | starship troopers |
| 04:44.11 | Guerin | m, angostura bitters |
| 04:44.30 | Guerin | my fave thing about being a barman |
| 04:44.42 | jetx | the book is much better than the movie |
| 04:44.49 | Wyzard | bloodskin: chroot installation with debootstrap is described in a chapter in the manual titled "installing Debian from another Unix/Linux operating system", or something like that |
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| 04:45.25 | Wyzard | bloodskin: You could use that procedure to do a debootstrap install from your Ubuntu liveCD |
| 04:45.33 | bloodskin | its been a while since ive looked at it |
| 04:45.42 | bloodskin | i shall find it again |
| 04:45.48 | Wyzard | bloodskin: It's trickier though... all command-line; you don't get the normal installation wizard |
| 04:45.54 | Kevin` | !find bin/smbclient |
| 04:46.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/smbclient' (2): (/usr/bin/smbclient) in net/smbclient ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/smbclient) in devel/samba-dbg. |
| 04:46.04 | bloodskin | doesnt matter |
| 04:46.14 | bloodskin | ill just write down the steps |
| 04:50.07 | jetx | goodbye-windows.com |
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| 04:50.49 | Kevin` | I don't like that method of installing linux |
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| 04:52.08 | jetx | works great for me |
| 04:52.18 | jetx | easier than burning a businesscard |
| 04:52.25 | Kevin` | oh sure, it works, but I think it's cleaner to use a cd |
| 04:53.10 | jetx | i have like 7 hd's if that counts |
| 04:53.35 | Kevin` | grub likes to get confused nicely when you have that (the installer for it, at least, not grub itself) |
| 04:53.51 | Kevin` | I think I have at least 5 here |
| 04:54.18 | jetx | yes i found out about grub/udev and that bug the hard way when it first came , 2.6.13 or so |
| 04:54.29 | jetx | uuid works for that though |
| 04:54.31 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 04:54.31 | Kevin` | make that 4 |
| 04:54.32 | Kevin` | wtf |
| 04:54.38 | Kevin` | one of my disks is offline |
| 04:54.52 | simonrvn | tsk tsk, that naughty drive |
| 04:55.00 | simonrvn | going to sleep on the job |
| 04:55.03 | Kevin` | md0 : active raid5 hdg1[2] hdc1[0] |
| 04:55.04 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.06 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 04:55.16 | jetx | i still need to learn about raid |
| 04:55.20 | jetx | never done it |
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| 04:56.10 | Kevin` | hmm, I think it wasnt detected on boot for some reason |
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| 04:58.14 | Kevin` | oh well. i'll fix that in a week |
| 04:58.29 | bloodskin | this brings me back to the partitioning question |
| 04:58.45 | bloodskin | does debian have a partition manager |
| 04:58.50 | jetx | a few |
| 04:58.58 | jetx | cfdisk for you |
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| 04:59.03 | bloodskin | i didnt see any option to add partitions on the disk manager |
| 04:59.17 | jetx | go free space? |
| 04:59.20 | bloodskin | maybe i need to be in root. is that true? |
| 04:59.21 | jetx | err got? |
| 04:59.24 | jetx | that too |
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| 04:59.37 | bloodskin | 2 and a half gigs i think |
| 04:59.44 | jetx | yes root |
| 04:59.49 | bloodskin | ok, brb then |
| 05:00.04 | Kevin` | what "disk manager", the one in the installer? |
| 05:00.05 | jetx | you might want to umount stuff |
| 05:01.03 | Kevin` | it's pretty safe without inmouting as long as you don't delete someethign your working with (or resize ti, whatever), if you do, the kernel will refuse to redetect the partition table |
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| 05:02.53 | bloodskin | i meANT DISK ADMIN |
| 05:02.54 | bloodskin | caps lock, sorry |
| 05:03.16 | Kevin` | i've never seen that which you speak of :) |
| 05:03.22 | Kevin` | I don't install many of the gui tools, though |
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| 05:04.17 | bloodskin | linux swap/solaris is a required partition, is it not? |
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| 05:04.38 | Kevin` | if you need swap. some systems can run without any swap |
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| 05:05.14 | Kevin` | specifically, systems with known memory usage or enough emmory for it to not matter |
| 05:05.17 | bloodskin | so its a good idea to just leave it in tact, corrtect? |
| 05:05.45 | Kevin` | well, unless you have some reason to remove it |
| 05:05.59 | bloodskin | ahh. i have 512mb and can give it a good load from time to time |
| 05:06.04 | bloodskin | well, pretty much hourly |
| 05:06.12 | bloodskin | ok |
| 05:06.16 | bloodskin | thanks |
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| 05:07.31 | bloodskin | hmm |
| 05:07.52 | bloodskin | cfdisk cannot resize partitions? |
| 05:08.17 | Kevin` | that's correct |
| 05:08.27 | jetx | !parted |
| 05:08.27 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a program that allows you to create, destroy, resize, move and copy hard disk partitions. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted I used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. supports Apple and sparc partition tables. |
| 05:08.43 | Kevin` | gparted is nice (gui program) |
| 05:08.53 | bloodskin | i had troubles when doing make |
| 05:09.16 | bloodskin | thats another reason i wish to switch to 32 bit |
| 05:09.21 | Kevin` | make for what |
| 05:09.28 | bloodskin | parted |
| 05:09.40 | Kevin` | it's in the repository |
| 05:10.02 | bloodskin | no, it gave me 3 errors |
| 05:10.21 | Kevin` | I mea, you shouldn't have had to compile it |
| 05:10.59 | bloodskin | hmm |
| 05:11.12 | Kevin` | did you do apt-get build-dep parted, if you wanted to compile it for some reason (or the manual equivalent) |
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| 05:14.13 | axscode | hi just want to ask. im having trouble installing my ETHernet |
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| 05:14.39 | Kevin` | go ahread and ask, then |
| 05:14.51 | Kevin` | I really can't type today |
| 05:14.52 | axscode | mine is Intel® PRO 10/100 Ethernet LAN controller, problem is debian dont detect it.. and when i tried e100, problem is it ask for parameters. any help please. |
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| 05:15.55 | jyf1987 | how much size is a mini debian ? |
| 05:16.01 | Kevin` | what exactly did it say |
| 05:16.11 | axscode | hmmm it pops a new parameter |
| 05:16.23 | jyf1987 | mini debian |
| 05:16.24 | axscode | supply additional parameters, i put nothing, and it dont install |
| 05:16.38 | Guerin | jyf1987: there is no mini debian |
| 05:16.39 | Kevin` | what EXACTLY does it say |
| 05:16.50 | jyf1987 | basic debian ? |
| 05:17.05 | axscode | wait. how to run that installation again for ethernet? |
| 05:17.08 | jyf1987 | i want to get a mininal debian system |
| 05:17.12 | Guerin | axscode: those NICs are the best-supported of any. It's probably faulty if debian doesn't detect it. |
| 05:17.17 | jyf1987 | CLI and apt |
| 05:17.27 | Guerin | jyf1987: ~300-500MB |
| 05:17.27 | axscode | CLI ? |
| 05:17.32 | axscode | any command for CLI? |
| 05:17.41 | Kevin` | jeyit's easy to get a standard system around 500mb. you can get smaller. what are your requrements |
| 05:17.43 | jyf1987 | 300mb is too big |
| 05:17.47 | Guerin | axscode: you get the bong hit prize |
| 05:18.02 | Guerin | jyf1987: then you need to use damnsmalllinux |
| 05:18.03 | jetx | there is no cli |
| 05:18.08 | jetx | wtf is a console |
| 05:18.16 | Guerin | jetx: in the beginning, there was |
| 05:18.25 | Kevin` | jyf1987 do you have a system right now? if you do, run debootstrap with minimal target and see how big it ends up, I suspect <100mb |
| 05:18.26 | Guerin | it was a tank! |
| 05:18.39 | jyf1987 | yes i am in ubuntu |
| 05:18.43 | jetx | m1a1 |
| 05:18.44 | Guerin | Kevin`: but a kernel is ~50MB and stuff |
| 05:19.01 | Guerin | jyf1987: i recommend damnsmalllinux |
| 05:19.02 | Kevin` | Guerin it doessn't have to be. |
| 05:19.05 | jetx | they taught me how to boresight tanks and fix the laser rangefinders |
| 05:19.09 | Guerin | Kevin`: no, of course. |
| 05:19.10 | jyf1987 | can dsl linux use apt to install software ? |
| 05:19.16 | Guerin | jyf1987: yes. |
| 05:19.27 | slapfaceware | what package installs the command dig? |
| 05:19.27 | Guerin | (though it's not binary-compatible with debian) |
| 05:19.32 | slapfaceware | i want the exact package plz |
| 05:19.33 | Guerin | slapfaceware: dnsutils |
| 05:19.39 | axscode | ok, sorry, i dont mean your CLI is the shell console, sorry for my ignorance... |
| 05:19.39 | jyf1987 | ok i will try to installed it on my hardware |
| 05:19.41 | jetx | !tell slapfaceware -about search |
| 05:19.56 | jyf1987 | CLI -> tty |
| 05:20.05 | jetx | !console |
| 05:20.05 | dpkg | somebody said console was the opposite of x, or your ass in a can |
| 05:20.08 | axscode | jyf1987: thanks. |
| 05:20.27 | Guerin | dpkg, factinfo console |
| 05:20.28 | dpkg | console -- last modified at Thu Mar 4 21:20:07 2004 by kjk137!~kjk137@cbl171004.sce.ceinetworks.com; it has been requested 52 times, last by jetx, 22s ago. |
| 05:20.31 | axscode | anyways.. apt is not installed yet i guess |
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| 05:20.48 | axscode | how to run the installer again? |
| 05:20.54 | jyf1987 | how to install a dsl to harddisk ? |
| 05:20.55 | axscode | for eth |
| 05:21.04 | bloodskin | .deb is a debian execyutable binary, correct? |
| 05:21.07 | Guerin | jyf1987: we don't know, ask #damnsmallinux. |
| 05:21.08 | jyf1987 | i have a sda6 with ex3 fs |
| 05:21.14 | bloodskin | executable* |
| 05:21.16 | Guerin | bloodskin: no. It's an ar archive |
| 05:21.26 | bloodskin | ok |
| 05:21.29 | Guerin | bloodskin: a package should NEVER be executable |
| 05:21.32 | Guerin | ever |
| 05:21.32 | jyf1987 | #dsl channel has so little man there |
| 05:21.44 | jyf1987 | and no one talking |
| 05:21.46 | Guerin | jyf1987: don't worry, it's not the size, it's what he does with it |
| 05:21.51 | jetx | hopefully they have a wiki or something |
| 05:21.52 | axscode | the installer ask me a while ago about installent eth. problem is i skip it since i cant install using e100 |
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| 05:22.06 | Guerin | axscode: does it work on some other OS? |
| 05:22.11 | jetx | eth0 would be your e100 |
| 05:22.36 | bloodskin | so when i download and open the amd64 version of parted from the debian site, where do i extract it to? |
| 05:22.53 | bloodskin | or |
| 05:23.02 | jyf1987 | why i can connect to internet with eth0 in ubuntu and can not in other linux os ???? |
| 05:23.04 | bloodskin | what do i do with the binary and 2 folders |
| 05:23.05 | Guerin | bloodskin: you use dpkg -i |
| 05:23.12 | bloodskin | ahh |
| 05:23.13 | Guerin | bloodskin: but this sounds like a great way to fuck your shit up |
| 05:23.19 | bloodskin | depackage install |
| 05:23.27 | Guerin | bloodskin: and you don't open the archive |
| 05:23.31 | Guerin | jeesus |
| 05:23.34 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 05:23.34 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 05:23.38 | bloodskin | well wtf do i do then |
| 05:23.49 | Guerin | bloodskin: go and read at least a little of those documents before you bother |
| 05:23.52 | jyf1987 | Gerin: why i can connect to internet with eth0 in ubuntu and can not in other linux os ???? |
| 05:24.00 | Wyzard | bloodskin: Install it with "dpkg -i", which unpacks everything into the right places automatically and sets it up |
| 05:24.01 | Guerin | jyf1987: dunno. |
| 05:24.08 | slapfaceware | because ubuntu is better? |
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| 05:24.15 | Guerin | slapfaceware: ha. |
| 05:24.16 | Kevin` | nah. |
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| 05:24.33 | Guerin | interesting to know why it works, though |
| 05:24.40 | Guerin | debian's kernels are practically the same |
| 05:24.47 | jyf1987 | i no but i want to know how to do this in other linux os |
| 05:25.04 | slapfaceware | it may be totally different in other linux os |
| 05:25.15 | slapfaceware | because linux lacks of standardization |
| 05:25.24 | jyf1987 | if i use a debian kernel then it will work??? |
| 05:25.24 | slapfaceware | every linux os has its own way of configuration |
| 05:25.31 | Kevin` | jyf1987 which driver does your card use |
| 05:25.48 | slapfaceware | if they use same kernel, it doesn't matter what driver |
| 05:25.54 | jyf1987 | i don't know i have no instered in hareware |
| 05:25.57 | Kevin` | slapfaceware for hardware, it's all really the same, and you can usually use the same low level methods for any configuguration |
| 05:25.59 | jyf1987 | hardware |
| 05:26.16 | slapfaceware | what's low level, nothing is lower level than kernel |
| 05:26.22 | simonrvn | ... |
| 05:26.23 | Kevin` | slapfaceware on that note, slackware is a good distro to learn the "linux" way on |
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| 05:26.32 | Gargantua | hi |
| 05:26.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like "because Ubuntu is better" on #debian :) |
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| 05:26.43 | slapfaceware | don't make it look mysterous, linux is a kernel after all |
| 05:26.48 | Gargantua | when I use a netinst, does it install lenny or etch? |
| 05:26.51 | Kevin` | slapfaceware low level like actually editing configuration files =p |
| 05:27.03 | slapfaceware | Kevin`, no that's not low enough |
| 05:27.07 | jyf1987 | i like ubuntu but im debian is more suitble for me |
| 05:27.17 | Kevin` | slapfaceware it is for almost any linux |
| 05:27.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems a good way to get rid of all those silly questions, btw "goto #ubuntu, Ubuntu's better anyways" |
| 05:27.21 | simonrvn | slapfaceware: how is that congruous with your other statement? |
| 05:27.22 | slapfaceware | what do you know about which is more suitable |
| 05:27.24 | Kevin` | and most other unix |
| 05:27.34 | jyf1987 | but now i just know how to install ubuntu while not know install debian |
| 05:27.41 | Gargantua | someone please answer my simple question? thanks... |
| 05:27.41 | Kevin` | jyf1987 find what driver your card uses, and load it in debian |
| 05:27.58 | slapfaceware | have you tried #ubuntu |
| 05:28.04 | simonrvn | disjointed mutterings of a cluebie... |
| 05:28.05 | Kevin` | Gargantua the normal netinst, etch |
| 05:28.09 | jetx | Gargantua: depends on which you downloaded |
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| 05:28.12 | jyf1987 | im just like CLI interface and apt |
| 05:29.27 | jyf1987 | Kevin`: how to find it ?im a newbie |
| 05:29.56 | Kevin` | jyf1987 actually, just check in lspci what the card is |
| 05:30.20 | jyf1987 | wait i will try |
| 05:30.26 | Gargantua | ah, thanks a lot. |
| 05:30.32 | Gargantua | do you guys recommend etch or lenny? |
| 05:30.32 | axscode | <Guerin> axscode: does it work on some other OS? <-- it works fine in other OS |
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| 05:30.46 | Guerin | axscode: so I gather, now |
| 05:30.53 | Kevin` | etch, unless you want the newer stuff and possibly problems to report |
| 05:30.57 | jetx | axscode: eth0 would be your e100 |
| 05:31.09 | axscode | i dont have eth0 installed |
| 05:31.23 | simonrvn | er? |
| 05:31.26 | axscode | i have to install the driver manually.. how to do that in debian... |
| 05:31.38 | jyf1987 | Kevin`: 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169SC Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) |
| 05:31.44 | jyf1987 | is this the card ? |
| 05:31.54 | Kevin` | axscode I asked you before what modprobe e100 said, have you done that again? |
| 05:32.04 | simonrvn | realtek makes gige cards? |
| 05:32.09 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:32.14 | simonrvn | *shudder* |
| 05:32.15 | Wyzard | jyf1987: That's an Ethernet card, but it's not an e1000 |
| 05:32.16 | Gargantua | is 4.0r1 lenny or etch? |
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| 05:32.20 | Wyzard | jyf1987: The driver for that is "r8169" |
| 05:32.21 | Guerin | about as good as the 100MB cards |
| 05:32.22 | jetx | axscode> the installer ask me a while ago about installent eth. problem is i skip it since i cant install using e100 |
| 05:32.22 | simonrvn | etch |
| 05:32.24 | axscode | o sorry kevin |
| 05:32.26 | Gargantua | ok |
| 05:32.27 | Gargantua | thanks |
| 05:32.34 | jetx | axscode: eth0 would be your e100 |
| 05:32.35 | slapfaceware | Guerin, you've been to china before right? |
| 05:32.46 | Wyzard | jyf1987: oops, mixed up your question with axscode's |
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| 05:32.55 | BUMBACL0T | will my system (2-pentium III 1GHz/256MB) suffer if i install debian + xp on top of it ? |
| 05:32.57 | Guerin | slapfaceware: I have, and it is the most interesting place in the world |
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| 05:33.07 | Guerin | BUMBACL0T: depends on you, not the machine |
| 05:33.09 | axscode | failed |
| 05:33.12 | BUMBACL0T | what you mean |
| 05:33.15 | BUMBACL0T | depends on me |
| 05:33.19 | Gargantua | also, is it possible to use a graphical installer? |
| 05:33.19 | Wyzard | jyf1987: Anyway, that card should be supported out-of-the-box by Debian |
| 05:33.19 | slapfaceware | Guerin, im in china, we chat last time, remember? |
| 05:33.22 | axscode | Kevin`: its failed, im using modprobe e100. |
| 05:33.27 | Guerin | BUMBACL0T: YOU have the power to fuck it up - otherwise it will be grand |
| 05:33.30 | slapfaceware | Guerin, what's so interesting in china |
| 05:33.31 | jyf1987 | r8169?thx but how to congfigure the network ? |
| 05:33.36 | Kevin` | jyf1987 |
| 05:33.38 | Wyzard | jyf1987: unless there's something drastically different between an 8169SC and a regular 8169... no idea what the SC stands for |
| 05:33.42 | Guerin | slapfaceware: internal inconsistencies. |
| 05:33.50 | Guerin | jyf1987: man interfaces |
| 05:33.51 | BUMBACL0T | let's say 1 processor for each and 128MB for each |
| 05:33.56 | slapfaceware | Guerin, what that mean |
| 05:33.59 | simonrvn | oh like anywhere ;) |
| 05:34.01 | Kevin` | jyf1987 modprobe r8169, see if that gives you it |
| 05:34.06 | Guerin | slapfaceware: shit don't make sense |
| 05:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: of course it will suffer, it will have windows on it :) |
| 05:34.16 | Guerin | slapfaceware: like the whole communist capitalism idea |
| 05:34.23 | Guerin | it's awesome |
| 05:34.31 | Gargantua | is it possible to install kde from apt? |
| 05:34.37 | Guerin | Gargantua: of course. |
| 05:34.40 | Gargantua | sorry noob question. |
| 05:34.41 | slapfaceware | Guerin, is there still communist captitalism in china ? |
| 05:34.43 | jyf1987 | Kevin`: is r8169 a hardware or a mod file ?? |
| 05:34.44 | Gargantua | thanks a whole lot. |
| 05:34.47 | simonrvn | Guerin: not really, 2 sides of the same coin. i'm not all that surprised they've gone capitalist |
| 05:34.57 | Kevin` | jyf1987 module |
| 05:35.00 | Wyzard | jyf1987: r8169 is the name of the kernel module which is the driver for that card |
| 05:35.01 | Guerin | slapfaceware: to the best of my knowledge, yes. But in formal terms it's nothing of the sort. |
| 05:35.05 | Guerin | it's a form of fascism |
| 05:35.10 | simonrvn | duh |
| 05:35.15 | jyf1987 | if r8169 include in kernel ? |
| 05:35.21 | Wyzard | yes |
| 05:35.23 | Kevin` | jyf1987 it is, yes |
| 05:35.28 | jyf1987 | ok thx |
| 05:35.36 | slapfaceware | Guerin, i don't see anything like that in china, i'm chinese. i see everyone doing whatever they want |
| 05:35.38 | Guerin | simonrvn: well, it makes sense, eh. |
| 05:35.50 | Guerin | slapfaceware: I'm glad for you. |
| 05:35.57 | jyf1987 | wait is r8169 a stand module ? |
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| 05:36.08 | jyf1987 | is dsl support it? |
| 05:36.08 | Kevin` | jyf1987 full sentences please |
| 05:36.14 | Kevin` | ask the dsl channel |
| 05:36.21 | Kevin` | notice this is #debian :) |
| 05:36.21 | Guerin | slapfaceware: when I was in Luoyang, a man offered me and my friend his teenage daughter. That's not what I call `everyone doing what they want'. |
| 05:36.21 | slapfaceware | Guerin, i just came back to china two years ago, i find china a fun place, there are all kinds of fcked up ppl |
| 05:36.28 | jyf1987 | but dsl channel have no one alive |
| 05:36.42 | Kevin` | not many here will know details like that about dsl |
| 05:36.43 | slapfaceware | Guerin, what you mean offering you |
| 05:36.48 | jyf1987 | in my eyes all of you is linux |
| 05:36.52 | Guerin | slapfaceware: use your imagination |
| 05:37.17 | slapfaceware | Guerin, i mean, for marriage or just that thing |
| 05:37.22 | Kevin` | jyf1987 wel, LINUX will support it yes, but I don't know if dsl will by default.. |
| 05:37.23 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:37.31 | Guerin | I see the rose-tint is permanent. |
| 05:37.55 | jyf1987 | then if i use a debian kernel it will support?right ? |
| 05:38.18 | Wyzard | jyf1987: I'm using Debian with a Realtek 8169 card right now |
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| 05:38.21 | slapfaceware | Guerin, was his girl good looking? |
| 05:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: did you accept? :) |
| 05:38.27 | Kevin` | jyf1987 yes. |
| 05:38.43 | Guerin | slapfaceware: no, I don't go for children. |
| 05:38.45 | jyf1987 | ok i thx you and debian |
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| 05:39.12 | jyf1987 | Wyzard: you use the same card with me ? |
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| 05:39.23 | Wyzard | Yes, it's a fairly common card |
| 05:39.36 | slapfaceware | Guerin, that only proves that there are all kind of different ppl in china |
| 05:39.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well "teenage" - would be still teenage with 19... still quite a bit young, admitted... well, depends on your age |
| 05:39.44 | Wyzard | Well, mine's not actually a "card", it's built into my motherboard, and it's an 8168 rather than an 8169, but it uses the same driver and it works fine |
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| 05:39.51 | Guerin | slapfaceware: it doesn't *prove* anything, it's an anecdote. |
| 05:40.03 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, not that end of teenaged. |
| 05:40.12 | jyf1987 | me too Wyzard |
| 05:40.25 | Guerin | slapfaceware: anyway, I wish the Chinese all the best. |
| 05:40.36 | jyf1987 | mine is bitlt into motherboard |
| 05:40.40 | slapfaceware | Guerin, where are you now |
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| 05:40.45 | Guerin | slapfaceware: at home |
| 05:40.55 | Wyzard | jyf1987: r8169 is a standard module in current kernels, and this hardware works out-of-the-box in Debian |
| 05:41.02 | jyf1987 | Guerin: you mean chinese? |
| 05:41.06 | piecesandbits | OT: linuxbios.......anyone know? |
| 05:41.12 | slapfaceware | Guerin, that chinese man must be crazy, how did you meet him |
| 05:41.16 | slapfaceware | Guerin, which country are you |
| 05:41.17 | slapfaceware | in |
| 05:41.18 | Guerin | jyf1987: that's what I said |
| 05:41.21 | jyf1987 | out-of-the-box means what ? |
| 05:41.33 | Guerin | slapfaceware: he was lurking outside a (presumably his) house |
| 05:41.38 | jetx | buy it and take it out of the box |
| 05:41.45 | jyf1987 | Guerin: WHAT's your country? |
| 05:41.45 | jetx | plug it in it works |
| 05:41.47 | xjkx | There are softwares such as firestarter and guarddog to handle iptables configurations. And what for samba? I'd like sharing a printer with windows and I am not very familiarized with samba (and dont care being) isnt there such package for doing that with simple clicks? :> |
| 05:41.59 | Guerin | jyf1987: i hail from the far-off land of /whois |
| 05:42.04 | jetx | lokkit xjkx |
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| 05:42.12 | karsten | jyf1987: Guerin is a native of Obscenia. |
| 05:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | xjkx: there's a simple configuration file :) |
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| 05:42.31 | sunru | hi |
| 05:42.37 | sunru | does debian require donations? |
| 05:42.45 | jyf1987 | where is Obscenia? my english is poor |
| 05:42.47 | sunru | im sick of distros asking for money. |
| 05:42.53 | karsten | sunru: No, but they're accepted. |
| 05:42.59 | Guerin | don't mind karsten, we are constantly at war with the fools from the Cretin Archipelago |
| 05:43.00 | slapfaceware | Guerin, i also met someone who offer me her daughter on bus |
| 05:43.02 | Wyzard | xjkx: Rather than using samba to share printers, you could use CUPS (the print server used by most Linux systems, as well as Mac OSX) together with Windows' built-in IPP support |
| 05:43.10 | Guerin | slapfaceware: we have something in common! |
| 05:43.28 | Guerin | slapfaceware: debian requires nothing. |
| 05:43.31 | Guerin | oh. |
| 05:43.36 | Wyzard | xjkx: Windows can print directly to a CUPS print server |
| 05:43.38 | Guerin | sunru: debian requires nothing. |
| 05:43.48 | sunru | slapfaceware: you? what happend did you kill Deb and Ian? |
| 05:43.50 | jyf1987 | debian ruquire a hardware :-> |
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| 05:44.02 | slapfaceware | sunru, kill dep? |
| 05:44.04 | xjkx | jetx: thanks CutMeOwnThroat not that much Wyzard that interests me, do win98 support this thing you are saying? and how do i set windows to connect cups? |
| 05:44.05 | slapfaceware | deb? |
| 05:44.06 | Guerin | jyf1987: not at all. Without, you can use it as a coaster |
| 05:44.07 | jyf1987 | or a mathine to run it |
| 05:44.09 | karsten | sunru: Well, technically, i386 or better, 200 MB HD, 64 MB RAM, and a NIC is useful. |
| 05:44.18 | slapfaceware | Guerin, when are you coming to china again |
| 05:44.20 | Wyzard | xjkx: no, 98 doesn't, but 2K and onward do |
| 05:44.32 | jyf1987 | Wyzard: where is Obscenia?? |
| 05:44.34 | sunru | karsten: actually i used debian about 5 years ago. |
| 05:44.36 | Guerin | slapfaceware: dunno. Not this year. |
| 05:44.39 | Wyzard | jyf1987: There's no such country |
| 05:44.48 | Guerin | jyf1987: next to the Cretin Archipelago |
| 05:44.49 | jyf1987 | ;> |
| 05:44.49 | sunru | i absolutely hate gentoo community |
| 05:44.53 | slapfaceware | Guerin, i'm thinking about giving up the returning ticket to canada |
| 05:44.55 | sunru | but the distro is nice. |
| 05:44.59 | karsten | sunru: If you *do* want to help, see: http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 05:45.08 | karsten | sunru: None of us here can stand it, obviously. |
| 05:45.09 | Guerin | slapfaceware: i'm sure you'll do what's right |
| 05:45.10 | jyf1987 | so where is you Wyzard |
| 05:45.10 | xjkx | Wyzard: the machine i am talking about (which isnt mine) can only run win98, because the machine sucks, then i still have the problem, will try the lokkit now |
| 05:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | xjkx: ha... it's too late for me :) of course the guys are right... doesnt need samba for printing that way around |
| 05:45.33 | Wyzard | xjkx: If you have a CUPS server, the URL for the print queue on the CUPS server -- "http://192.168.1.4:631/printers/myprinter" or whatever -- is the URL you want to give Windows |
| 05:45.35 | sunru | i like the fact you havenlt updated the webpage in 5 years hehe |
| 05:45.36 | slapfaceware | Guerin, i go back to canada every year, but this year i planning on staying, china is more fun than canada |
| 05:46.00 | Wyzard | xjkx: Launch the Add Printer wizard, tell it you're adding a network printer, and you get several input options... the box near the bottom is a place to type a URL, so just enter the URL of the print queue |
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| 05:46.10 | karsten | sunru: It's been updated. Style hasn't changed. There used to be a bird-sort of logo, that changed ~ 1999 / 2000 |
| 05:46.13 | Kevin` | xjkx only windows 98? i'm currently using debian on a pentium 133 laptop.. |
| 05:46.20 | jyf1987 | Guerin: are you in china ? |
| 05:46.31 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, i am |
| 05:46.31 | Guerin | jyf1987: no, I'm in Obscenia |
| 05:46.31 | xjkx | Wyzard: but you just said win98 cant do it :P |
| 05:46.35 | Kevin` | I think it has a 'made for windows 95' sticker |
| 05:46.36 | karsten | jyf1987: Ask his collarbone. |
| 05:46.38 | gpm | karsten: where can i see the old logo? |
| 05:46.45 | Guerin | you can find out its location with /whois |
| 05:46.58 | Wyzard | xjkx: For win98 you need samba though... but win98 is buggy, obsolete, and end-of-lifed, and lack of IPP support is far from the only reason why you shouldn't be using it :-) |
| 05:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: http://www.debian.org/donations |
| 05:47.09 | karsten | gpm: Current are here: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 05:47.11 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: so? |
| 05:47.15 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, im in china, shenzhen, you know? |
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| 05:47.18 | xjkx | Kevin`: its a big discussion i had here some months ago :> he needs OFFICE, and openoffice is too heavy to him, even the oldest versions |
| 05:47.18 | Guerin | they're not *required*? |
| 05:47.25 | unix_infidel | Kevin`: i dont quite understand why you'd use a machine so old when you can get p3's for free nowadays |
| 05:47.25 | jyf1987 | i am in china ,hangzhou |
| 05:47.31 | Guerin | slapfaceware: oh, you used to go by another nick. |
| 05:47.38 | Kevin` | unix_infidel it works. |
| 05:47.41 | jyf1987 | karsten: where are you |
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| 05:47.47 | karsten | jyf1987: At my computer |
| 05:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: donations never are? |
| 05:48.04 | slapfaceware | Guerin, yes, i changed my nick, im him who from shenzhen |
| 05:48.04 | unix_infidel | Kevin`: but that extra 500mhz and 256mb of pc100 not mean anything :-P |
| 05:48.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: if it is aa "must" it's called "price" |
| 05:48.04 | jyf1987 | karsten: your country ? |
| 05:48.06 | karsten | gpm: Looks like it changed in 1999, licensing issues, of all things: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/1999/timeline |
| 05:48.09 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: i suppose that's the idea. But not always true, like in churches, for instance. |
| 05:48.18 | karsten | jyf1987: No, my computer is not my country. |
| 05:48.21 | Kevin` | unix_infidel a p3 laptop for free? |
| 05:48.21 | slapfaceware | Guerin, not many chinese in this channel, maybe im the only one |
| 05:48.28 | Guerin | slapfaceware: your new nick suits. |
| 05:48.36 | jyf1987 | karsten: i just want to know your country |
| 05:48.40 | unix_infidel | Kevin`: desktop. |
| 05:48.43 | Guerin | slapfaceware: i bet jyf1987 is one too. |
| 05:48.44 | slapfaceware | Guerin, that's why i changed haha |
| 05:48.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: well, churches... anyways, even in churches, it isnt normally a must |
| 05:48.47 | karsten | jyf1987: no you don't, and you already do. |
| 05:48.47 | unix_infidel | p3 laptops are like 100-200 |
| 05:48.49 | jyf1987 | i am chinese too |
| 05:48.51 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, are you chinese? |
| 05:48.52 | Kevin` | the 'laptop' part is what I like |
| 05:48.56 | Kevin` | I got it for $5 |
| 05:49.12 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: it depoends who you are, but I'll concede the point. Debian isn't a church, even if it can be divine ;) |
| 05:49.23 | unix_infidel | lol, makes a nice network appliance. |
| 05:49.32 | jyf1987 | i dont know ,are you us or isareal? |
| 05:49.37 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, haha where are you in china |
| 05:49.43 | jyf1987 | hang zhou |
| 05:49.50 | sunru | i think the concept of donations is a complete sham. |
| 05:49.52 | slapfaceware | wtf, im hangzhou ren too |
| 05:49.54 | jyf1987 | but my home is in Huang Shan |
| 05:49.59 | xjkx | jetx: this lokkit is for firewall only, not to samba, i think you didnt get the point :> |
| 05:50.01 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, are you a native,, ok |
| 05:50.06 | jyf1987 | 我是黄山人 |
| 05:50.09 | sunru | you'll get nothing out of me. |
| 05:50.19 | karsten | jyf1987: mei guo |
| 05:50.22 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, i'm native hangzhou ! but im working in shenzhen now haha |
| 05:50.33 | Guerin | aww, you can get your own channel |
| 05:50.35 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, you work in hangzhou? |
| 05:50.36 | jyf1987 | karsten: ä½ æ˜¯ä¸å›½äººé˜¿ |
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| 05:50.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: hm, well - depending on "who you are" a donation to debian might at some point also become "required", if you see it like that |
| 05:50.53 | jyf1987 | im a student in hangzhou |
| 05:50.57 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: this is potentially true. |
| 05:51.02 | sunru | if i donate $1000 do i get ops? |
| 05:51.03 | jyf1987 | im not native |
| 05:51.12 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, oh.. you are native an hui |
| 05:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin: I couldnt come up with an example easily, though :) |
| 05:51.14 | Guerin | sunru: sure. |
| 05:51.16 | sunru | or some other superfical power |
| 05:51.18 | jyf1987 | yese |
| 05:51.20 | sunru | Guerin: hahah! |
| 05:51.28 | karsten | jyf1987: US of fucking A |
| 05:51.31 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, i was in huang shan last year, it was nice. |
| 05:51.40 | jyf1987 | o |
| 05:51.49 | jyf1987 | i have no interested in it |
| 05:51.50 | sunru | Guerin: you know thats how it works right? |
| 05:51.51 | Guerin | my favourite place was Wuhan |
| 05:51.58 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, which school do you go |
| 05:52.04 | Guerin | sunru: sure. |
| 05:52.05 | slapfaceware | Guerin, what cities have you been to |
| 05:52.08 | sunru | even though im taking a pun..no pun intended ;) |
| 05:52.20 | GullyFoyle | 1 in 5 humans is chinese |
| 05:52.44 | slapfaceware | Guerin, my favourite places are shan dong, da lian, guangdong, shang hai, and zhe jiang |
| 05:52.51 | jyf1987 | http://www.zjicm.edu.cn -> my school |
| 05:53.14 | jyf1987 | zhejiang media and communication colloge |
| 05:53.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | GullyFoyle: and 2 of the other 4 are indian? |
| 05:53.23 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, le tme guess, are you in xia sha? |
| 05:53.31 | Guerin | slapfaceware: Dandong, Beijing, Tianjin, Zhengzhou, Luoyang, Taishan, Shanghai, Wuyishan, Xiamen, Quanzhou, guangzhou, pinxiang |
| 05:53.36 | Guerin | i think that;s it |
| 05:53.40 | jyf1987 | yes im in xia sha |
| 05:53.48 | jyf1987 | karsten: you are chinese? |
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| 05:54.01 | Guerin | wtf do these two think everyone is chinese |
| 05:54.02 | karsten | jyf1987: bu she |
| 05:54.03 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, haha many pretty girls in xia sha |
| 05:54.09 | jetx | i'm chinese |
| 05:54.18 | slapfaceware | hi jetx me too |
| 05:54.18 | jetx | african american chinese |
| 05:54.26 | slapfaceware | jetx, where are you |
| 05:54.27 | jyf1987 | and many pretty girls in my school |
| 05:54.28 | jyf1987 | o |
| 05:54.34 | jyf1987 | do you speek chinese? |
| 05:54.45 | jetx | i'm in antartica |
| 05:54.46 | jyf1987 | karsten: you are interested in chinese char ? |
| 05:54.47 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, all hotels rooms are full in weekend in xia sha ! |
| 05:55.01 | jyf1987 | slapfaceware: you see it haha |
| 05:55.04 | karsten | jyf1987: I know a very small amount of Mandarin |
| 05:55.09 | slapfaceware | i used to date this school girl in xia sha, so nice |
| 05:55.17 | Guerin | awesome - high school students are holding mock elections at the same time as the real elections |
| 05:55.19 | slapfaceware | many pretty girls in xia sha |
| 05:55.20 | slapfaceware | too many |
| 05:55.22 | jyf1987 | karsten: you just know pinyin not mandarin |
| 05:55.41 | Guerin | jyf1987: how would you know? |
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| 05:56.10 | jyf1987 | Guerin: he use pinyin words |
| 05:56.13 | Guerin | I can do restaurant-taxi-hotel-pub-market mandarin, that's not bad for 6 weeks |
| 05:56.13 | slapfaceware | Guerin, i haven't been to most of places you went |
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| 05:56.33 | Guerin | jyf1987: you can't SPEAK over the ircs |
| 05:56.34 | slapfaceware | Guerin, you pretty good.. better than me when i was in canada |
| 05:56.41 | karsten | jyf1987: I'm sorta busy w/ work at the moment. |
| 05:56.50 | Guerin | slapfaceware: we were on a road trip |
| 05:56.52 | jyf1987 | of course i can |
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| 05:56.57 | Guerin | or in this case, a train marathon |
| 05:56.57 | jetx | ni hau |
| 05:57.05 | slapfaceware | Guerin, how many of you |
| 05:57.12 | Guerin | slapfaceware: 3 |
| 05:57.16 | karsten | jetx: More properly: Ni hao ma? |
| 05:57.22 | jyf1987 | the old chinese didn't use pinyin |
| 05:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
| 05:57.32 | Guerin | jyf1987: NO SHIT |
| 05:57.44 | slapfaceware | Guerin, but what's longest duration you stay in one place? and whiat city was that |
| 05:57.45 | Guerin | jyf1987: but they also didn't use sinplified characters like you use now |
| 05:58.09 | Guerin | jyf1987: in that regard you're practically illiterate as far as the 19th century is concerned |
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| 05:58.11 | slapfaceware | hongkong and taiwan don't use simplified |
| 05:58.12 | jyf1987 | old china has his own pinyin |
| 05:58.13 | vin` | "Funnily enough, the only distributions I tend to refuse to touch are the "technical" ones, so I've never run Debian, because as far as I'm concerned, the whole and only point of a distribution is to make it easy to install.." - Linus |
| 05:58.17 | breedx | so I need to pass options to a module when it's loaded, should I use /etc/modutils/blah or do I need to monkey with grub (my bootloader)? |
| 05:58.26 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, what you talking about, old pin yin? |
| 05:58.32 | jyf1987 | yes |
| 05:58.34 | Kevin` | vin` :( |
| 05:58.36 | vin` | still hard to install, dang |
| 05:58.37 | Guerin | slapfaceware: we stayed about 10 days in Xiamen, with a two-day side trip to Quanzhou |
| 05:58.44 | Kevin` | debian is hardly hard to install |
| 05:58.51 | jyf1987 | old pinyin in a dictionary it has |
| 05:58.56 | Wyzard | breedx: Use /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 05:58.59 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, when they use old pinyin, you weren't even born yet haha |
| 05:59.15 | jyf1987 | of course i born in 1987 |
| 05:59.20 | Wyzard | breedx: Putting options on the kernel command line is only for code that's compiled statically into the kernel... I don't think it works for modules that are loaded later, though I could be wrong |
| 05:59.26 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, at that time, they all use modern pin yin |
| 05:59.34 | breedx | Wyzard: thanks...there's def conflicting info out there. |
| 05:59.40 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, your english is pretty good though, as a chinese |
| 05:59.46 | jyf1987 | no ther use another pinyin |
| 05:59.48 | Wyzard | breedx: Create your own file in /etc/modprobe.d; the existing files belong to packages so it's better to leave them alone |
| 06:00.05 | jyf1987 | slapfaceware: but my english test didn't pass |
| 06:00.11 | jyf1987 | i hate english test |
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| 06:00.13 | breedx | Wyzard: giving it a shot.... |
| 06:00.20 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, so what, even foreigner will fail that english test of yours |
| 06:00.28 | jyf1987 | yes |
| 06:00.30 | slapfaceware | you ask Guerin to do your english test, and he might fail, haha |
| 06:00.37 | breedx | Wyzard: working with 5 sound cards and need one of them to be a specific device, so using options to the snd usb module. |
| 06:00.44 | Wyzard | breedx: You should probably run update-initramfs afterward too, since some modules get copied into the initramfs and loaded there |
| 06:00.48 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 06:00.50 | jyf1987 | but when you go to find a job ther will ask you for a CET 4 |
| 06:00.54 | breedx | Wyzard: thanks, but no ramdisk. |
| 06:01.02 | vin` | breedx: you could pass arguments in /etc/modules as well |
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| 06:01.16 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, i no need cet4 for job, cuz im hai gui |
| 06:01.18 | jyf1987 | foreigner can not pass CET4, i think |
| 06:01.18 | breedx | vin`: so which is preferred for debian? |
| 06:01.21 | Guerin | unlikely, since I spent 3 years *teaching* those fucking tests |
| 06:01.41 | slapfaceware | Guerin, cool |
| 06:01.49 | vin` | breedx: dunno, whatever works for you I guess. |
| 06:01.51 | jyf1987 | i have no monney to go out for school so i can not be hai gui |
| 06:01.53 | slapfaceware | Guerin, you can teach jyf1987 at a discount charge |
| 06:02.05 | breedx | vin`: cool |
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| 06:02.23 | breedx | Wyzard: moving my guy to /etc/modprobe.d/ worked like a charm. |
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| 06:02.29 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, when i was studying abroad, i work and study part time, it was very tiredsome |
| 06:02.30 | breedx | Wyzard: card id assigned just like I needed. |
| 06:02.42 | breedx | Wyzard: big thanks. |
| 06:02.55 | jyf1987 | i think im a lasybone |
| 06:03.04 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, it's better for you to stay in xia sha, alot of fun.. |
| 06:03.22 | jyf1987 | i want to stay in hangzhou not xia sha |
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| 06:03.30 | jyf1987 | xia sha full of students |
| 06:03.38 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, yah |
| 06:03.48 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, or you try shang hai |
| 06:03.54 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, shang hai is pretty good |
| 06:03.58 | jyf1987 | hangzhou is ok |
| 06:04.04 | slapfaceware | hangzhou small city |
| 06:04.11 | slapfaceware | for leisure |
| 06:04.15 | jyf1987 | if i want to find job i will try hangzhou first |
| 06:04.34 | slapfaceware | why, you have girlfriend in hangzhou or what |
| 06:04.45 | jyf1987 | not yet |
| 06:04.59 | slapfaceware | you have too many? |
| 06:05.06 | jyf1987 | i've no girlfreibnd |
| 06:05.18 | jyf1987 | i think my pc is my friend |
| 06:05.24 | slapfaceware | don't think that way |
| 06:05.46 | jyf1987 | girlfriend ,for laught |
| 06:06.02 | slapfaceware | huh? |
| 06:06.17 | slapfaceware | you mean for fun |
| 06:06.18 | slapfaceware | ? |
| 06:06.21 | jyf1987 | for fun |
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| 06:06.34 | slapfaceware | what's debian for then |
| 06:06.42 | slapfaceware | for everything but fun? |
| 06:06.45 | jyf1987 | debian is a os |
| 06:07.17 | slapfaceware | i wanted to go back to school sometimes |
| 06:07.31 | jyf1987 | i like pc than girlfriends |
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| 06:07.44 | Cawl | hello |
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| 06:08.00 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, why |
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| 06:08.11 | jyf1987 | åªæ˜¯çˆ±å¥½ |
| 06:08.13 | Cawl | is woody still avaliable for download? and\or is it still supported? do you guys recommend it for someone who cant get 4? |
| 06:08.13 | DaveyB | How do I download my new Kernel Headers? |
| 06:08.42 | Wyzard | hmm, that third character was one that my system can't display... and I thought I had all the Asian fonts installed |
| 06:08.50 | jetx | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) <--paste that |
| 06:09.00 | jetx | as root or use sudo |
| 06:09.14 | jyf1987 | sudo ? |
| 06:09.19 | sunru | well dont think i can run debian either..be just like going backwards. |
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| 06:09.45 | jyf1987 | yesterday i use sudo in debian it told me no this commadn |
| 06:09.57 | Cawl | anyone? please help? |
| 06:09.58 | jetx | aptitude install sudo |
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| 06:10.10 | Wyzard | jyf1987: sudo is available in Debian, but it's not installed by default like in Ubuntu |
| 06:10.15 | slapfaceware | jetx, where are you now? |
| 06:10.16 | jetx | cawl iirc there are woody images around still |
| 06:10.19 | slapfaceware | jetx, i mean what city |
| 06:10.21 | jetx | antartica |
| 06:10.29 | jyf1987 | my ubuntu sudo is default |
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| 06:10.48 | jyf1987 | but when i use debian install cd it didn't support sudo |
| 06:10.55 | jyf1987 | i install it in vbox |
| 06:10.56 | jetx | aptitude install sudo |
| 06:11.14 | jyf1987 | jetx: i c |
| 06:11.15 | Wyzard | jyf1987: Like I said, sudo isn't installed by default in Debian... but you can install it if you want to use it |
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| 06:11.29 | jyf1987 | Wyzard: know |
| 06:11.34 | jetx | !sudo |
| 06:11.34 | dpkg | it has been said that sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 06:11.38 | slapfaceware | why sudo, why not just su |
| 06:11.49 | Wyzard | jyf1987: Ubuntu uses sudo by default so that they can disable normal use of the root account, to stop people from logging in as root |
| 06:11.50 | jyf1987 | i use su |
| 06:11.52 | dakoo | anyone know whats the isapnptools package called in debian? |
| 06:12.01 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, you used netbsd before? |
| 06:12.03 | Cawl | jetx, could you link PLEASE? |
| 06:12.10 | jyf1987 | none |
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| 06:12.11 | Wyzard | jyf1987: Debian doesn't assume its users are dumb enough to need to be blocked from doing that :-) |
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| 06:12.15 | TiMiDo | hey how do you play wmv files? |
| 06:12.28 | jetx | Cawl: i'd have to search it out. that means i would have to do it for you. you can find it i would imagine. |
| 06:12.29 | jyf1987 | i burn a relax bsd .but can not install it |
| 06:12.53 | jyf1987 | Wyzard: it is what i like it -->> freely |
| 06:13.00 | sneharajr | i have an public ip configured on one eth0 and local ip on eth1 |
| 06:13.20 | Cawl | jetx, ok, how about the other part of my question? |
| 06:13.34 | sneharajr | my current default route is belong to public |
| 06:14.00 | sneharajr | but i want to change that to my lan ip |
| 06:14.23 | Wyzard | Cawl: woody is available in the sense that you can still download the files if you want to, but it's no longer supported |
| 06:14.24 | sneharajr | same time public ip is used to server mail server also |
| 06:14.37 | sneharajr | i want to enable both on these |
| 06:14.41 | sneharajr | any idea |
| 06:14.44 | Wyzard | sneharajr: Changing your default route to the LAN interface will break your Internet access |
| 06:14.56 | TiMiDo | hey how do you play wmv files? |
| 06:14.58 | sneharajr | Wyzard: that true |
| 06:14.59 | Cawl | jetx, would you recommend this image? http://old.manuel.kiessling.net/topics/linux/debianinstall/ |
| 06:15.17 | dakoo | TiMiDo: compile mplayer with wmv codecs |
| 06:15.19 | Wyzard | Cawl: You shouldn't use an obsolete and unsupported old version of Debian |
| 06:15.28 | TiMiDo | dakoo, hmmm how? |
| 06:15.45 | sneharajr | any way to resolve this Wyzard |
| 06:15.54 | Wyzard | !tell dakoo about debian-multimedia |
| 06:16.06 | Wyzard | dakoo: I think that archive has a win32codecs package you could use |
| 06:16.19 | Wyzard | sneharajr: Why did you want to do that, anyway? |
| 06:16.24 | Wyzard | sneharajr: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 06:16.43 | jetx | !archive |
| 06:16.43 | dpkg | it has been said that archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 06:16.46 | Cawl | Wyzard, the problem is, when I try to install the newest one, I get a "...Failed step is: choose and install software" error, I tried both the dvd and the netinst, same problem... |
| 06:16.56 | sneharajr | i a have LB and apache need that routed via the ip |
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| 06:17.17 | jyf1987 | are you here slapfaceware |
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| 06:17.33 | Wyzard | I believe plain old ffmpeg can play WMV these days though |
| 06:17.43 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, yes here |
| 06:17.45 | Wyzard | I'm on AMD64 (so there's no win32codecs) and I can still play WMV in mplayer |
| 06:17.47 | jyf1987 | are you using gtalk ? |
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| 06:17.56 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, no, using xchat2, why |
| 06:18.15 | sneharajr | Wyzard: i have load balancer which is used to server apache request to server it i need to change the route of the that node to LB's ip |
| 06:18.28 | sneharajr | at the same time one mail server is also running |
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| 06:18.50 | jyf1987 | i cant remember your nick |
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| 06:19.00 | jyf1987 | so want to add you a friend in a im tool |
| 06:19.34 | cafuego | Wyzard: w64codecs to the rescue, eh |
| 06:19.41 | Wyzard | sneharajr: You'd need to point the load balancer at your server's IP, I'd imagine |
| 06:20.04 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, yes you can add my qq, 372352470 |
| 06:20.10 | Wyzard | cafuego: No such thing, but that doesn't bother me... I don't think I've yet encountered a video file that I can't play on this system |
| 06:20.12 | jyf1987 | o |
| 06:20.15 | sneharajr | Wyzard: what abt mail server |
| 06:20.58 | Wyzard | sneharajr: If that's not going through the load balancer, then clients should connect directly to the server's IP to talk to the mailserver |
| 06:21.10 | cafuego | Wyzard: actually, there is a such a thing, but you may not have it installed.... |
| 06:21.28 | slapfaceware | jyf1987, do you use qq? |
| 06:21.28 | Wyzard | cafuego: "apt-cache search 64codec" turns up nothing, and I do have debian-multimedia sources |
| 06:21.44 | jyf1987 | yes |
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| 06:21.56 | Wyzard | sneharajr: Clients on the LAN would connect to the LAN IP address, of course |
| 06:22.04 | jyf1987 | but eva and lumaqq can not login to my qq num |
| 06:22.16 | Wyzard | sneharajr: and clients on the Internet would connect to the Internet IP address |
| 06:22.27 | Wyzard | sneharajr: Both should work, unless you're blocking connections with a firewall or something |
| 06:22.33 | cafuego | Wyzard: Peculiar, I have 'em on Ubuntu, the pkg claims they come from mplayerhq.hy |
| 06:22.44 | cafuego | "This package contains the "Win32" codec binaries for the x86_64 architectures" |
| 06:23.05 | Wyzard | weird |
| 06:23.12 | Cawl | :( |
| 06:23.14 | cafuego | Mind you, it cntains exactly 4 libs. |
| 06:23.22 | Wyzard | I don't know how that'd even work... is it a 32-bit build of mplayer, or do they somehow load 32-bit libraries in a 64-bit program? |
| 06:23.41 | cafuego | Mine is a 64bit build, I'm sure |
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| 06:23.54 | jyf1987 | my cpu is also amd64 but i use a i386 version ubuntu |
| 06:24.10 | jyf1987 | it seems it works better than amd64 version |
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| 06:24.20 | cafuego | /usr/bin/mplayer: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV) |
| 06:24.30 | Wyzard | jyf1987: I'm running AMD64 Debian and it works exactly the same as i386 Debian |
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| 06:24.34 | cafuego | jyf1987: That depends a bit on what you use it for. |
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| 06:24.58 | Wyzard | aside from the lack of 64-bit versions of a few proprietary programs which aren't really all that important |
| 06:25.00 | cafuego | jyf1987: A lot of desktop/office apps run and/or work better on i386 |
| 06:25.06 | jyf1987 | yes |
| 06:25.20 | Wyzard | OpenOffice runs fine on AMD64 |
| 06:25.23 | jyf1987 | and a lot of apps have no amd64 version |
| 06:25.25 | Wyzard | though I rarely use it anyway |
| 06:25.26 | cafuego | I find that video conversion in ffmpeg runs *much* quicker when I'm booted into the 64bit system |
| 06:25.34 | Kevin` | jyf1987 "a lot"? |
| 06:25.39 | Wyzard | jyf1987: "a lot"? Which ones do you have in mind? |
| 06:25.46 | Kevin` | jyf1987 it's mostly binary only stuff that doesn't |
| 06:25.47 | SJrX | How fast of a processor do you think I would need to be able to preform AES128 encryption fast enough to max out writing to a USB enclosed hard drive? |
| 06:25.47 | jyf1987 | like zhcon |
| 06:26.03 | Wyzard | jyf1987: The only things I've noticed missing on AMD64 is Flash, Google Earth, and the Java plugin |
| 06:26.05 | jyf1987 | im a chinese you know i want to use a chinese locale |
| 06:26.22 | cafuego | SJrX: Dunno, but the raid5 array likes the extra speed, I tell ya ;-) |
| 06:26.31 | jyf1987 | they do not give a amd64 version |
| 06:26.37 | Wyzard | jyf1987: Debian has zhcon on amd64 |
| 06:26.47 | SJrX | I'm worried about the processor bottlenecking not necessarily the disk. |
| 06:26.48 | jyf1987 | oh??really ? |
| 06:26.53 | cafuego | Wyzard: Google Earth runs fine with ia32-libs and flash runs fine with nspluginwrapper. |
| 06:26.58 | Wyzard | jyf1987: apt-cache search zhcon |
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| 06:27.05 | cafuego | There is a Java 1.4 plugin, but java is teh suck, so why bother. |
| 06:27.12 | TiMiDo | hey how do you play wmv files? |
| 06:27.24 | jyf1987 | mplayer wmv |
| 06:27.32 | Wyzard | cafuego: I have the nspluginwrapper-based flashplugin-nonfree installed and working, but googleearth-package builds an i386 .deb that dpkg refuses to install |
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| 06:27.51 | Wyzard | cafuego: I'm sure I could get it to run some other way, but I don't really use Google Earth anyway, so I don't care |
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| 06:28.09 | Kevin` | TiMiDo which version of wmv |
| 06:28.13 | cafuego | Wyzard: Ah, a debian wrapper. I bake my own - http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/feisty-cafuego/google/ |
| 06:28.29 | TiMiDo | Kevin`, i do not know is just a wmv file |
| 06:28.31 | cafuego | Same goes for SecondLife |
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| 06:29.52 | TiMiDo | any ideas Kevin` ? |
| 06:30.16 | Kevin` | TiMiDo mplayer plays most things. if it doesn't, get the win32codecs for it and it plays even more things. |
| 06:31.05 | Sarious | can vlc not play wmv's? |
| 06:31.16 | Kevin` | probably can. |
| 06:31.28 | Kevin` | I don't like using the vlc UI on linux though |
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| 06:31.48 | TiMiDo | Playing toca_me1_big.wmv. |
| 06:31.48 | TiMiDo | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
| 06:31.52 | TiMiDo | im gertting that error Kevin` |
| 06:32.13 | Sarious | i dont like the vlc UI or wmv's for that matter |
| 06:32.30 | Wyzard | TiMiDo: That's not a WMV file, then |
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| 06:32.44 | Kevin` | TiMiDo run file on that file |
| 06:32.53 | Wyzard | TiMiDo: Assuming that it's trying to load avisynth because it actually detected it's an avisynth file, that is |
| 06:32.55 | jyf1987 | i like mplayer in tty |
| 06:33.03 | Kevin` | TiMiDo that's what mplayer does when it doesn't know what else to do though, try installing win32codecs |
| 06:33.10 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 06:33.18 | TiMiDo | i did Kevin` |
| 06:33.26 | Kevin` | and what did file say |
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| 06:33.59 | stittel | Hi! The kernel update for Debian etch “linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6etch1†doesn't seem to do anything. No new files in /boot or /lib/modules after applying the update. Is that normal? |
| 06:34.33 | Kevin` | is what normal, the wierd characters? :/ |
| 06:34.36 | SanityInAnarchy | Anyone here know much about cpio? |
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| 06:34.57 | Lycus | Question: My login manager's screen resolution is too high, how can I change it? |
| 06:35.11 | Wyzard | SanityInAnarchy: I know that it's an archive format sort of like tar, and an initramfs is a gzipped cpio archive |
| 06:35.23 | stittel | Kevin`: The weird characters are English quotation marks, which probably seem weird, because your IRC client doesn't display UTF-8. |
| 06:35.31 | Sarious | 7-zip can extract them |
| 06:35.36 | SanityInAnarchy | Wyzard: yeah, I know what it is. I need some deep surgery with it... |
| 06:35.38 | Sarious | cpio |
| 06:35.44 | jetx | stittel: yes the updates aren't reflected |
| 06:35.45 | SanityInAnarchy | I might try 7-zip, maybe... |
| 06:35.49 | stittel | Kevin`: I can rephrase without them: The kernel update for Debian etch "linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6etch1" doesn't seem to do anything. No new files in /boot or /lib/modules after applying the update. Is that normal? |
| 06:35.51 | Wyzard | SanityInAnarchy: You should ask a more specific question, then |
| 06:35.58 | stittel | jetx: Thanks. What exactly does that mean? |
| 06:36.00 | Kevin` | stittel well, what it does is tend to interret them as control charaters and erase data and such |
| 06:36.02 | SanityInAnarchy | My more specific questions have been ignored, but here goes... |
| 06:36.02 | Sarious | i only use it when i have to its kinda nasty |
| 06:36.19 | Kevin` | stittel no replaced files, either? |
| 06:36.43 | jetx | stittel: it means i've watched what he/they have done over the past year or so and it does get updated but damned if i can tell you where the update really is |
| 06:36.46 | SanityInAnarchy | cpio has a buffer overflow in 64-bit on large files. Not knowing this, I backed up my system with cpio on a 64-bit system, and everything after the large file is pretty much dead. |
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| 06:37.15 | jetx | it didn't use to be like that |
| 06:37.31 | SanityInAnarchy | I'm now trying to recover on a 32-bit system (a live cd). Still can't restore anything past that large file. Does anyone know if it's possible to recover from this? Or is my archive hopelessly corrupt? |
| 06:37.32 | Kevin` | the cpio utility is.. anoying. that's about the only reason I don't use it for anything |
| 06:37.33 | Sarious | sorry i have no experience with cpio |
| 06:37.58 | SanityInAnarchy | (and I wonder why my "longer question" gets ignored...) |
| 06:37.59 | stittel | Kevin`: The only file according to file date that might have gotten changed is "initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686". |
| 06:38.15 | SanityInAnarchy | blech. Anything I can do other than grep through this gigantic binary file? |
| 06:38.16 | Sarious | try to extract it with 7-zip |
| 06:38.17 | stittel | Kevin`: It's from 2007-08-17 14:56+0200. |
| 06:38.21 | Sarious | only advice i have |
| 06:39.13 | Wyzard | SanityInAnarchy: You could try pax (it's a package), or 7-zip |
| 06:39.17 | jetx | file somefile |
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| 06:39.54 | SanityInAnarchy | Wyzard: Does pax handle cpio archives? The problem isn't that I can't back up (I could have used tar), it's that the originals are gone and all I have is the archive. |
| 06:40.07 | Wyzard | SanityInAnarchy: I've used pax on HP-UX 10.20 to work around HP tar's shortcomings, so maybe it'll work around GNU cpio's shortcomings for you :-) |
| 06:40.13 | Wyzard | SanityInAnarchy: yes, see the package description |
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| 06:41.48 | Lycus | So... does anyone know how to change the screen resolution for the login manager of GDM? |
| 06:42.10 | Wyzard | Lycus: That's not an issue of GDM configuration, it's an issue of Xorg configuration |
| 06:42.19 | Sarious | yah |
| 06:42.48 | Wyzard | !tell Lycus about drxx |
| 06:43.01 | Wyzard | Pick a different resolution for X to use |
| 06:43.11 | SanityInAnarchy | Well, thanks, I'll try these, soon as it's done un-lzo'ing |
| 06:43.15 | |bb7| | how can i look which program uses which ports? |
| 06:43.21 | Lycus | Does it default to the highest? |
| 06:43.42 | beap | |bb7|, netstat -a |
| 06:43.42 | Sarious | i believe its an xdm issue |
| 06:43.54 | Supaplex | |bb7|: lsof, or netstat -anp |
| 06:43.57 | |bb7| | beap, thank you |
| 06:43.58 | Wyzard | I'm not sure what it defaults to with Debian's configuration |
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| 06:44.31 | beap | |bb7|, try tcptrack its nice too |
| 06:44.39 | Wyzard | If it's a recent monitor it may have a built-in "preferred mode" -- especially if it's an LCD -- and if you edit your xorg.conf to remove the lines telling it what resolution to use, it'll autodetect the monitor's preferred resolution |
| 06:44.43 | Wyzard | but not all monitors have that |
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| 06:45.04 | ray_ | could also be video card limitations |
| 06:45.32 | Supaplex | 256K should be enough video ram for anyone |
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| 06:45.46 | Wyzard | Video-card limitations wouldn't lead to a too-high resolution being used |
| 06:45.54 | ray_ | very true |
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| 06:47.22 | stittel | Kevin`, jetx: Have you installed that kernel upgrade and does "uname --all" still return 2.6.18-5-686 ? |
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| 06:50.50 | jetx | yes cept i had r0 not r1 and it was 2.6.18-4 |
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| 06:52.55 | stittel | jetx: This is a bit strange. Assuming the latest kernel update just changed initrd, the kernel update from last week should have gotten your kernel to 2.6.18-5, at least if you run i686. |
| 06:53.52 | jetx | it's not that... it's what gets installed in the beginning... that gets updated |
| 06:54.03 | jetx | but the numbers don't change |
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| 06:54.46 | stittel | jetx: Well, the numbers (-4 to -5) got changed in my case. And I am totally running stable (without a single third-party repository). |
| 06:55.23 | jetx | security |
| 06:55.55 | stittel | jetx: Yes, of course the security repository is enable. But that's not third-party. :) |
| 06:56.13 | jetx | that is why |
| 06:56.36 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 06:57.13 | stittel | jetx: I'll extract that last -6 kernel deb and look what is inside. |
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| 07:00.37 | stittel | jetx: It seems like linux-image-2.6-686_2.6.18+6etch2_i386.deb is doing nothing but to change documentation in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6-686. |
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| 07:10.59 | Lycus | Is it relatively "safe" to upgrade from Etch to Lenny? Should I take any precautions? I have no critical data on the machine in question. |
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| 07:12.13 | karsten | Lycus: If you understand the limitations and implications of testing, yes. |
| 07:12.15 | Supaplex | Lycus: upgrading is usually pretty safe. be prepared to use bts, apt-listbugs, and reportbug to start. =) |
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| 07:12.43 | karsten | Lycus: Most folks I know run testing on desktops/laptops, and even personal and some business servers. |
| 07:12.43 | Supaplex | but as karsten says, there are some caveats (hence it's not labeled stable). see topic to. |
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| 07:13.28 | Lycus | Also, in trying to set fish as my default shell, using chsh -s /usr/local/bin/fish in the terminal, I get a message saying fish is not a valid shell. |
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| 07:13.58 | Supaplex | Lycus: check /etc/shells |
| 07:14.37 | Supaplex | Lycus: isn't there a debian package for fish? It should live in /usr/bin/ |
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| 07:14.58 | Lycus | Supaplex: Yeah, it was in /usr/bin/ |
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| 07:15.07 | karsten | Lycus: /etc/shells, as suggested. |
| 07:15.09 | Lycus | Fish site said /usr/local/bin |
| 07:15.21 | karsten | Lycus: And I'd *very* strongly suggest you use bash. |
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| 07:15.21 | Lycus | So that was the problem. Thanks. |
| 07:15.42 | karsten | Lycus: If it's a Debian package, it will *not* be installed under /usr/local/ |
| 07:17.14 | karsten | Lycus: That pretty much only applies for third-party software, software installed from scratch, etc. |
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| 07:21.01 | Supaplex | Lycus: Reading up on what dpkg -L does, which, apropos, locate, and possibly debian policy, are good starts/refreshers to as why you didn't know this to begin with. :) |
| 07:21.13 | Supaplex | but points to you for avoiding sid... |
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| 07:23.06 | axscode | hi, where do i put the dns ip? using resolv.conf ? |
| 07:23.35 | axscode | i already put resolv.conf, how to activate it? it seems that i cant resolve still. |
| 07:23.37 | Supaplex | axscode: yup, man resolve.conf |
| 07:23.45 | Supaplex | er |
| 07:23.48 | Supaplex | axscode: yup, man resolv.conf |
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| 07:24.59 | xingu | hmm, this compiz fusion stuff seems to run a little chunky |
| 07:25.31 | Supaplex | 4mb agp ;) haha. jk. |
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| 07:25.48 | karsten | axscode: Either you've misspecified your nameserver, *it* is misconfigured, or your networking isn't properly configured. |
| 07:26.00 | axscode | yeah.. though problem is its not still resolving |
| 07:26.00 | axscode | already can ping my gateway, |
| 07:26.01 | karsten | !tell axscode about network drill |
| 07:26.11 | karsten | axscode: Can you ping *past* your gateway? |
| 07:26.16 | apollo13 | hi, which modules do I need to load to get wireless hotswitch working (asus g1 laptop) |
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| 07:28.59 | maddash | does anyone else have a problem with DSA key EDF008C5 when `apt-get source`-ing? |
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| 07:29.26 | MTecknology | How do I do password security in Linux? - I want to do things like force alpha-numeric passwords |
| 07:30.02 | Crypticfortune | MTecknology: that's all pam options. read up on your pam config. |
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| 07:30.54 | MTecknology | hurray - an answer - i was beginning to think it just wasn't done |
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| 07:32.40 | maddash | fuuuuuck |
| 07:32.54 | MTecknology | aight, i'll look into it tomorrow - time for bed |
| 07:32.55 | tuzhila | wtf? |
| 07:33.35 | maddash | yeah, wtf? |
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| 07:33.56 | SpeedyG | ftw? |
| 07:35.18 | maddash | any-freakin'-body have the dsa problem? i need to rebuild a package, but not before I know for a fact that my security hasn't been compromised |
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| 07:58.41 | BUMBACL0T | what's the best way to run windows as guest? |
| 07:58.48 | BUMBACL0T | qemu ? |
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| 07:58.57 | Supaplex | with high explosives |
| 07:59.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | BUMBACL0T: KVM. |
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| 08:01.17 | BUMBACL0T | Dark_Apostrophe, sure, send me the computer |
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| 08:02.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | BUMBACL0T: Sure thing, once I get that €1000 wire transfer from you. :) |
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| 08:03.26 | Supaplex | dpkg: kvm |
| 08:03.27 | dpkg | i guess kvm is kernel virtual memory (kernel address space), or keyboard/video/mouse Or Kernel-based Virtual Machine. check http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Debian for installation instructions. |
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| 08:04.50 | seete3 | Does anyone know any USB Wi-Fi sticks that work out-of-box with ubuntu linux?.. I'm getting my friend into ubuntu, and he's given me some money to buy him a wifi usb stick. Thanks |
| 08:05.06 | Supaplex | !tell seete3 -about based on debian |
| 08:05.35 | BUMBACL0T | my computer is super old though, celeron800mhz, 160mb |
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| 08:06.31 | Supaplex | seete3: be sure to hold the retailer to their return policy. |
| 08:06.49 | seete3 | Supaplex: ok |
| 08:07.12 | Supaplex | seete3: otherwise you might get stuck with a fancy piece of junk. :) |
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| 08:08.00 | Coweater | seete3: look around at http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/index.php/cat/10 |
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| 08:12.42 | seete3 | thanks for all your help, i'm now going to buy either the WG111v2 or the WUSB54GC. Cheers. |
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| 08:22.47 | axscode | how-to turn on sshd on debian |
| 08:23.08 | BUMBACL0T | /etc/init.d/ssh start ? |
| 08:23.33 | sep | !installit |
| 08:23.33 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 08:23.58 | semprix | axscode, install the daemon and run it |
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| 08:30.46 | TiMiDo | hey anyone here knows a link on howto compile a kernel the debian way? |
| 08:31.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | !kpkg-mantra |
| 08:31.10 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 08:31.11 | dpkg | [kp mantra] make-kpkg clean && VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') && NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=-$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 08:31.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | ah |
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| 08:31.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | that's it |
| 08:31.23 | TiMiDo | dondelelcaro, do you know a howto? |
| 08:31.26 | TiMiDo | on it/? |
| 08:31.29 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: that's the howto |
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| 08:31.37 | TiMiDo | dondelelcaro, website, i meant |
| 08:31.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | dpkg (the bot) should have as manual :P |
| 08:31.57 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: it's very abbreviated. For everything else that needs to be explained, the manpage and the documentation is fairly copious. |
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| 08:32.58 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: I mean, there's really not much more to be explained, you get a kernel, install make-kpkg, configure the kernel, run that command, install the resultant image, and blamo, you're done. |
| 08:33.49 | TiMiDo | c00l |
| 08:33.51 | TiMiDo | thanks mr dondek |
| 08:33.54 | TiMiDo | dondelelcaro, |
| 08:34.10 | semprix | dondelelcaro, h0wdy |
| 08:34.12 | dondelelcaro | I suppose someone could write some haikus about it |
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| 08:35.34 | karrotx | cat /dev/sda > /mnt/llama.iso? |
| 08:36.01 | axscode | 3.1 is woody? |
| 08:36.03 | axscode | or serge? |
| 08:36.20 | axscode | sarge. thank you |
| 08:36.27 | streuner | !history |
| 08:36.28 | dpkg | it has been said that history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 08:36.30 | Supaplex | NAMEEXT starts with a dash,and --append-to-version adds another leading one. is that intentional? I guess 'clean' isn't that important. |
| 08:37.25 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: someone jacking with the expression, really... |
| 08:38.26 | semprix | !aptitude |
| 08:38.26 | dpkg | well, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 08:38.46 | Supaplex | and 'clean' and 'kernel_image modules_image' targets could be done all in one shot... |
| 08:38.47 | axscode | where can i get the list of repository for apt? for my apt.conf |
| 08:39.01 | semprix | !mirrors |
| 08:39.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 08:39.02 | Supaplex | !tell axscode -about sources.list |
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| 08:39.41 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: actually, it can't. |
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| 08:39.55 | dondelelcaro | that part at least is correct |
| 08:40.07 | Supaplex | ahh. but does 'clean' have to get so specific? |
| 08:40.20 | semprix | !tell axscode -about mirrors |
| 08:40.35 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: yes; the way it was written was actually erroneous |
| 08:40.40 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 08:40.40 | dpkg | kp mantra is, like, make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 08:40.48 | dondelelcaro | is more elegant, and actually correct |
| 08:41.16 | Supaplex | ahh. I see it now. |
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| 08:42.24 | mr_oddwire | it funny |
| 08:42.42 | axscode | !apt-setup |
| 08:42.42 | dpkg | well, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. No longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 08:42.57 | Supaplex | axscode: please /query dpkg for more questions. |
| 08:43.04 | axscode | thanks |
| 08:44.20 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: any idea how to update the vserver patch on my own? or do I have to regress to a vanilla only source tree and patch as usuall? |
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| 08:46.39 | Supaplex | gotta <3 the wiki when it has this: !!! Note: this is outdated !!! |
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| 08:51.51 | Supaplex | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage is mostly what I want. (taking the leap... again) |
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| 08:54.40 | joey[] | how do I automatically when system starts execute 'python /opt/app.py' as root? |
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| 09:00.49 | Supaplex | joey[]: crontab @reboot, or /etc/rc.local, or /etc/init.d/foo with update-rc.d |
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| 09:03.27 | joey[] | and where do I specify as root? |
| 09:03.28 | DustyDingo | hi |
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| 09:03.44 | DustyDingo | is there a way to install a service with apt-get without starting it after installation? |
| 09:03.49 | Groundy | question: I removed, lynx-ssl, and install lynx, then purge lynx-ssl, now my /etc/lynx.cfg is gone, |
| 09:03.55 | Groundy | reinstalling lynx hasn't brought it back, |
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| 09:04.12 | Supaplex | joey[]: all of that is root. (provided you run crontab as root, if you decided on that option) |
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| 09:04.37 | joey[] | I've chosen /etc/rc.local, seems like easiest solution? |
| 09:04.39 | Supaplex | Groundy: that's because purge erases config files by design. |
| 09:04.55 | Groundy | @Supaplex: okay, but how do I get the cfg file back now? |
| 09:05.10 | jetx | !confmiss |
| 09:05.10 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 09:05.26 | Supaplex | Groundy: backups |
| 09:05.40 | Groundy | Supaplex: heh, they're offline, which is a pain |
| 09:05.43 | Supaplex | afaik purge + reinstall nullifies any confmiss |
| 09:05.57 | Groundy | well, reinstall didn't bring the cfg back |
| 09:06.03 | Supaplex | Groundy: use remove nextime :) |
| 09:06.09 | Groundy | (where reinstall is L in aptitude |
| 09:06.13 | Supaplex | humm ok. |
| 09:06.33 | Supaplex | I thought I tested this a few months ago. but alas. |
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| 09:08.21 | Groundy | haha! have config file back |
| 09:08.28 | Supaplex | yay |
| 09:09.42 | jetx | !factinfo confmiss |
| 09:09.42 | dpkg | confmiss -- created by greycat <wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Fri May 11 19:07:20 2001 (2294 days); it has been requested 630 times, last by jetx, 4m 32s ago. |
| 09:09.51 | jetx | thank greycat |
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| 09:12.04 | Supaplex | !factinfo based on debian |
| 09:12.05 | dpkg | based on debian -- last modified at Wed Jun 20 20:18:50 2007 by Supaplex!supaplex@166-70-62-199.ip.xmission.com; it has been requested 84 times, last by Supaplex, 1h 6m 58s ago. |
| 09:12.08 | Groundy | I'm pretty sure i've lost stuff from my lynx.cfg, but it was never that important, and too much effort to restore from backup |
| 09:12.59 | Supaplex | but important enough to remember purge vs remove in the future, right? :) |
| 09:13.10 | Groundy | I wanted purge, |
| 09:13.19 | Groundy | I was going through non-purged packages, and purging them, |
| 09:13.47 | Groundy | only lynx-ssl shared a conffile with another already installed package, |
| 09:14.16 | Groundy | even freeswan/openswan survived |
| 09:14.32 | Supaplex | koo |
| 09:14.42 | Groundy | I think |
| 09:14.44 | Groundy | I hope |
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| 09:15.42 | Groundy | yea, looks okay |
| 09:16.00 | axscode | is pentium dou falls under SMP ? |
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| 09:16.40 | DustyDingo | when i remove a default configuration file of a service, how can i get it back? (reinstallation won't work) |
| 09:17.04 | Groundy | erm, DustyDingo we just covered that, |
| 09:17.08 | axscode | what kernel i need for pentium 4 dou core? is it the one with SMP? |
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| 09:18.15 | gypsymauro | hello I'm suing tar but I get this warning Removing leading `/' from hard link targets, what means? |
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| 09:19.28 | Groundy | thanks jetx, thanks Supaplex, cheers |
| 09:19.29 | khaleel5000 | hello , i am a noob with debian 4.0 (i have P4 2.66 ghz computer , and 1gb ram ) i have heard that debian 'can' somewho use its root partition for temporary stuff , so do i need to create a swap or should I just ensure that my root partition is 1~2 gb free at any given time? |
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| 09:21.07 | TiMiDo | hey to put my own name on the kernel do i have to look on the kernels make? |
| 09:21.08 | TiMiDo | file? |
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| 09:22.58 | Supaplex | gypsymauro: security precaution. otherwise extracting as root in /home/foo/blah with a tarball containing /root/.ssh/authorized_keys could do 'bad things' (just to name one). it's a warning, but harmless never-the-less. |
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| 09:23.35 | tipote | Hi all ! I'm using sourcemage, a source-based distribution on one machine, and it's been great. Now I have a new laptop, where I want to install a binary distribution instead of sourcemage, because I want to go faster to my development area, spending less time about the rest. I'd like something that match my current sourcemage workflow, which is running 'update repos && check new packages && install them' every now |
| 09:23.37 | Supaplex | khaleel5000: 1gb should be plenty for / - as long as /home /var /usr are other partitions. |
| 09:23.43 | tipote | then, from the 'test' repo, which is very close to the upstream version of each package. I monitor changes in the repos by their git rss. Do you think Debian sid would suit my needs ? |
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| 09:24.05 | du | whats the deal with apt crying about me needing to do APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 09:24.12 | du | and then when i do that everything breaks |
| 09:24.24 | antgel | tipote: sid is not suitable if you are new to debian |
| 09:24.34 | Supaplex | tipote: yes, but you're better off using stable until you understand how debian manages packages etc. (so you can work your way out of it). |
| 09:24.40 | gypsymauro | Supaplex: and can O suppress that message? there is an option that soppress it? |
| 09:25.08 | Supaplex | gypsymauro: maybe. tar has a huge man page. I've never cared to ignore them. |
| 09:25.10 | tipote | antgel, Supaplex: can I easily switch between stable, unstable and testing ? |
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| 09:25.25 | khaleel5000 | Supaplex: nope all will be in one partition , then ? |
| 09:26.06 | Supaplex | tipote: upgrade, yes. downgrade, no. at the least, keep stable, and play with testing or sid in a 'chroot install' - incase something unwildy bad happens. (you're not SOL when it does) |
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| 09:27.00 | Supaplex | khaleel5000: one partition plus swap is normal. more filesystems are better for isolation if you're prone to heavy filesystem use (eg, busy mailservers, squid box, etc) |
| 09:27.55 | khaleel5000 | Supaplex: nah personal use only |
| 09:28.12 | antgel | tipote: no |
| 09:28.17 | Supaplex | one + swap should be fine then. |
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| 09:28.38 | du | ne1? |
| 09:28.46 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 09:28.47 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 09:28.52 | antgel | !tell tipote about install guide |
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| 09:28.58 | antgel | !tell tipote about grounding |
| 09:29.04 | khaleel5000 | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 09:29.29 | Supaplex | du: http://rafb.net/paste could help us understand what's going on better. |
| 09:29.36 | tipote | What happens to the testing and unstable repos when a new stable is released ? Are they frozen, and then unfrozen, or changed to new ones ? |
| 09:29.43 | doudou | How can i know what process opened a listen socket? |
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| 09:30.34 | Guerin | doudou: netstat punta |
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| 09:31.29 | gypsymauro | SpeedyG: tanx anyway:) |
| 09:32.18 | doudou | i did netstat -l, saw some listen sockets, i used rcconf to supress portmap but it is still here, i tried lsof but cant see link with process, and netstat punta does not give like netstat -l listening sockets |
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| 09:33.59 | Supaplex | doudou: netstat -anp |
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| 09:34.02 | doudou | sockets have unique inode like files? cant we see what process use a inode? |
| 09:34.25 | Supaplex | doudou: are you running netstat as root? |
| 09:35.08 | doudou | Supaplex thanks i got tcp6 0 0 :::56802 :::* LISTEN 2614/x-session-mana |
| 09:35.56 | Supaplex | ps ww 2614 |
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| 09:36.28 | Saviq | hello, please help :] I'm trying to add a 'tun' module to my custom kernel using make-kpkg |
| 09:36.31 | doudou | seems x enable connections from outside? |
| 09:36.33 | Supaplex | anyway. 3:38am and my caffiene system is too saturated with blood now. |
| 09:36.52 | Saviq | but make-kpkg --added-modules=tun says 'nothing to be done' |
| 09:36.58 | Supaplex | Saviq: make menuconifg |
| 09:37.02 | doudou | thanks suplaplex |
| 09:37.02 | Saviq | what am I doing wrong |
| 09:37.17 | Saviq | Supaplex: been there, done that |
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| 09:40.25 | Saviq | regardless of what options I'll pass it, it won't build the package :| |
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| 09:40.59 | KDan | how do you specify a ^M symbol in vi's search and replace? (:1,$s/^M//g is what I want to achieve basically) |
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| 09:43.40 | Saviq | shouldn't you escape the ^ ? |
| 09:43.48 | antgel | KDan: use ctrl-v to make the ctrl-m a literal |
| 09:44.06 | KDan | good idea |
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| 09:44.20 | rvsjoen | lvm question, is it possible to remove a physical disk from a volume group in which all space is allocated to a logical volumne without losing any data ? |
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| 09:44.33 | KDan | pasting doesn't work |
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| 09:45.17 | KDan | hmm, neither does trying to replace '\^M' :-( |
| 09:45.48 | antgel | KDan: i didn't say paste. i said in vim, ctrl-v ctrl-m does what you want |
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| 09:45.55 | KDan | oh right |
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| 09:46.16 | KDan | excellent. You're an angel :-) |
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| 09:59.56 | vahid | how can i find what package(installed o system) contain /usr/include/stdio.h ? |
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| 10:00.06 | yos87 | Hi |
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| 10:00.16 | vahid | someting like rpm -qf? |
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| 10:01.49 | boodie | Hi all, how's things? |
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| 10:02.25 | YouyOuyoU | dpkg |
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| 10:05.23 | YouyOuyoU | vahid, dpkg -S /usr/include/stdio.h |
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| 10:26.12 | boodie | Hi apache2 gives me the message "unable to open logs" ... what could be the reason? |
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| 10:26.54 | SiriusFR | Maybe they are using by apache ? |
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| 10:27.43 | boodie | Yes, in fact I installed apache2, but apache seems to be still there |
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| 10:28.11 | SiriusFR | Ah. |
| 10:28.21 | SiriusFR | It could be a problem I thinK. |
| 10:29.24 | antgel | boodie: permissions |
| 10:30.13 | boodie | In fact; it seems to be. So what should I do? |
| 10:31.57 | boodie | What I would like is to clean up the mess ... |
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| 10:40.08 | andre_r | hi |
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| 10:46.07 | gonzaloaf | hi,how recommendable is using LVM in a home system? |
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| 10:56.35 | Scurz | hi |
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| 10:58.07 | efaistos | hmm ... i have an issue i have a box with 2.6.7 kernel on it ... and when trying to update libc6 it says that i have to update to 2.6.8 minimum |
| 10:58.22 | efaistos | and i did with the 2.6.21 but i didnt reboot yet |
| 10:58.36 | efaistos | and i tried again to install libc6 but some dependency issues |
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| 10:59.45 | efaistos | how can i manage to handle that ... apt-get -f install doesnt help ... |
| 11:00.13 | efaistos | tried to see the dependency with apt-cache depends and tried to install the other ones but doesnt help more ... |
| 11:00.26 | efaistos | any idea ? |
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| 11:02.28 | Jemt | Greetz. How do I find out which modules need to be loaded in order to get CPU Scaling to work? I have an Acer TravelMate 2354LCi with an Intel Celeron M 350 Processor (1.3 Ghz). I think most of the laptop is Intel based |
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| 11:05.10 | PDani | hi |
| 11:05.32 | PDani | why isn't in the testing the sylpheed-claws-gtk2? |
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| 11:05.50 | antgel | efaistos: what operating system are you using? |
| 11:07.15 | efaistos | antgel: are we on debian ? ;) |
| 11:07.22 | efaistos | debian of course ;) |
| 11:09.43 | xingu | Jemt: probably, acpi-cpufreq |
| 11:10.04 | antgel | Jemt: less /usr/share/doc/cpufreqd/README.Debian |
| 11:10.22 | Jemt | xingu: Thanks, I'll give it a try :) Where are the modules located? And in which file do I see the list of modules being loaded on boot ? |
| 11:10.24 | antgel | efaistos: what release of debian? |
| 11:10.28 | Jemt | Nifty, thanks |
| 11:10.39 | xingu | Jemt: apt-get install cpufreqd |
| 11:10.44 | xingu | Jemt: let it do the work for you |
| 11:10.51 | antgel | !tell Jemt about usd |
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| 11:11.57 | kombi | got a process that is stuck, can I safely rm the .pid file? |
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| 11:12.12 | efaistos | antgel: lenny |
| 11:12.41 | efaistos | they say that i should reboot on the new kernel ... and then upgrade the glibc |
| 11:15.28 | antgel | efaistos: 2.6.7 was never in lenny |
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| 11:15.48 | efaistos | antgel: i know |
| 11:15.55 | efaistos | but wanted to upgrade |
| 11:16.01 | xing_ | Does debian have nvidia's driver at version 9755 ? |
| 11:16.03 | antgel | efaistos: so how about you tell us the whole story? |
| 11:16.57 | efaistos | antgel: not my box ... someone has to update glibc but he didnt upgrade the kernel so now we're stuck in that situation ... |
| 11:17.09 | efaistos | and we dont have physical acces to that box |
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| 11:17.14 | antgel | efaistos: so what are you upgrading from? |
| 11:17.18 | Scurz | I can't create an initrd image with mkinitrd.yaird, http://paste.debian.net/35269 but linux-image-2.6.22.4-sithare-desktop exists! ideas? |
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| 11:17.33 | efaistos | so we're not sure if we reboot to have access to it |
| 11:17.58 | efaistos | antgel: what do you mean ? |
| 11:18.24 | antgel | efaistos: 2.6.7 was never in lenny. you said the box runs lenny. does not compute |
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| 11:19.07 | tim_flatus2 | I'm trying to re-install over the network. I've installed a tftp server on one machine. Can anyone enlighten me to the easiest way to boot this image on the clients? |
| 11:19.25 | tim_flatus2 | I'm trying gpxe, but it's a bit confusing |
| 11:19.28 | efaistos | antgel: a part of lenny |
| 11:19.30 | antgel | !tell tim_flatus2 about install guide |
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| 11:19.43 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: I've got it open |
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| 11:20.07 | antgel | efaistos: if you're going to be economic with the details, i'm afraid i have no option but to be economic with the assistance |
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| 11:20.35 | antgel | tim_flatus2: there's a section there on tftp/dhcp/pxe? |
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| 11:21.13 | efaistos | antgel: it was an upgrade from etch |
| 11:21.21 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: It's not very clear on the details. I don't understand how to tell gpxe what image to load. |
| 11:21.27 | antgel | efaistos: 2.6.7 wasn't in etch |
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| 11:21.58 | antgel | tim_flatus2: admittedly i don't know about gpxe. can't you configure dhcp to provide the necessary details to clients? |
| 11:22.06 | efaistos | not my box ... maybe it was an upgrade for sarge then ... |
| 11:22.07 | efaistos | dunno |
| 11:22.33 | antgel | efaistos: so ask whoever's box it is. it sounds like a mess |
| 11:23.30 | efaistos | yep |
| 11:24.31 | efaistos | do we need to do something special to activate modifications made in menu.lst ? |
| 11:24.47 | efaistos | like with lilo with had to run lilo after modification ? |
| 11:24.57 | jetx | no |
| 11:25.42 | jetx | if you change defoptions run update-grub |
| 11:25.45 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: no, well gpxe looks frightfully complicated for what I think I want to do ;) Can I just configure dhcp to do it. Or do it from a Debian net-boot CD? |
| 11:27.19 | antgel | tim_flatus2: maybe we're at talking at cross-purposes. why do you think you need gpxe? when i mention configure dhcp, i refer to the dhcp /server/. |
| 11:27.25 | efaistos | jetx: thanks |
| 11:27.49 | jetx | it says in the file iirc |
| 11:28.00 | jetx | apt-get install grub-doc && info grub |
| 11:28.14 | jetx | s/file/menu.lst/ |
| 11:28.18 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: because I think the client machine needs some way of knowing where the boot image is, no? Do I have this wrong. |
| 11:28.23 | Jemt | antgel: Thanks |
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| 11:29.19 | antgel | tim_flatus2: have you activated the boot rom on your clients' ethernet? |
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| 11:29.28 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: I have dhcp3 on the server. Perhaps it is simply that I configured that wrong. This is entirely possible. I'm not sure of the expected behaviour of the client when I boot it. |
| 11:30.11 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: I'm not sure such a facility exists on the clients |
| 11:30.20 | antgel | tim_flatus2: you need to add stanzas in the dhcp server configuration to support pxe or the older network boot type, depending on what your client hardware supports |
| 11:30.47 | antgel | tim_flatus2: is it onboard ethernet? if so, did you check the bios? |
| 11:31.07 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: thanks. It'll be the older. These machines are about 8 years old. |
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| 11:33.40 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: I'm sorry I don't quite understand. These are all ex-office machines with working wired network connections on a LAN. I confess I haven't checked the bios. I was assuming that the machines are so old that there wouldn't be any useful options. |
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| 11:34.25 | al3x__ | hello, I have installed php on my machine but everytime I try to acces a php file it just downloads the file, does that mean that php does not work? |
| 11:35.46 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does vino-server want to access to the default keyring many times a day? |
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| 11:35.57 | tim_flatus2 | antgel: thanks for the suggestions anyway. I'll go check the dhcp config downstairs and see what I can do with a netboot CD. I'm sure this should be easier than what I'm trying to do. |
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| 11:37.12 | mbroeker | a133x, cd /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and make a symlink ln -s ../mods-available/php5.* . |
| 11:37.36 | axscode | where can i download this --> kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-686-smp |
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| 11:40.21 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does vino-server want to access to the default keyring many times a day? should I deny or allow it? |
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| 11:40.41 | ndee | hello there, what kinda security scanner can you guys recommend for testing a server? |
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| 11:41.54 | mbroeker | ndee, nmap and co for low budgets, nessus and friends for others |
| 11:42.14 | a133x | mbroeker, thanks alot, that did the trick :) |
| 11:42.24 | fluxdude | argg, my debian sid is horribly broken after an apt-get upgrade |
| 11:42.26 | fluxdude | system will not boot and I can't chroot in from knoppix either |
| 11:42.28 | fluxdude | chroot /mnt/debian |
| 11:42.30 | fluxdude | Segmentation fault |
| 11:42.32 | fluxdude | any ideas? |
| 11:42.37 | fluxdude | if I can't chroot then I don't see how I can try another apt-get upgrade to fix it... |
| 11:42.41 | Danux | nessus is very cool, i use that. you have to register (for free when i did it i think) if you want some of the extras |
| 11:42.51 | mbroeker | a133x, i was suprised, too. my machine was "broken" last week... |
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| 11:43.26 | romano2k | hi everyone! i'm looking for a way to use a custom resolution under xorg : 1360x1024, i don't manage to do it |
| 11:43.37 | ndee | ok, so nessus is still the thing to use. Good. |
| 11:43.39 | a133x | mbroeker, im not sure what caused it, but I guess it was that i removed and isntalled apache2 again trough apt |
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| 11:44.39 | Danux | i might have let out the secret of being on ubuntu for a desktop *gulps* isn't the desktop version in debian called wireshark or something? |
| 11:45.11 | Danux | or is that something totally different? |
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| 11:46.00 | fluxdude | no ideas? |
| 11:46.14 | fluxdude | ah screw it I will have to reinstall then, but that is sooo stupid... |
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| 11:46.25 | mbroeker | a133x, yesterday i got many security updates for debian lenny. apache and xorg were affected. after 5 minutes of investigation i found out that the updated, original config files are still there after an update. look for /etc/apache2/*dpkg* |
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| 11:49.47 | mbroeker | a133x, but you --purge(d) it, didn't you? |
| 11:50.11 | spheard | !telnet |
| 11:50.11 | dpkg | [telnet] an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using ssh instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
| 11:52.17 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I change the default editor of crontab ? |
| 11:53.16 | Wulf_ | [pid 13846] execve("/usr/bin/editor", ["/usr/bin/editor", "/tmp/crontab.visoPw/crontab"], [/* 11 vars */]) = 0 |
| 11:53.19 | mbroeker | gonzaloaf, VISUAL=emacs crontab -e |
| 11:53.31 | Wulf_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2007-08-19 00:10 /usr/bin/editor -> /etc/alternatives/editor |
| 11:53.38 | Wulf_ | update-alternatives --config editor ? |
| 11:53.39 | antgel | gonzaloaf: man crontab, shockingly |
| 11:54.33 | a133x | mbroeker, purge what? |
| 11:54.48 | mbroeker | a133x, the old config files |
| 11:55.00 | spheard | Im trying to open a port so mysql can accept incoming connections. #mysql have suggested that you might be able to help |
| 11:55.10 | mbroeker | a133x, something like apt-get remove apache2 --purge && apt-get install apache2 |
| 11:55.12 | a133x | i dont think so, but the old config file is the same as the new one, i havent modifed anything. do you think it matters? |
| 11:55.54 | a133x | mbroeker, i will know for the future :) thanks |
| 11:56.06 | mbroeker | well a133x make modifications only to /etc/apache2/conf/ |
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| 11:56.21 | mbroeker | or conf.d whatever, wont look now :) |
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| 11:57.40 | a133x | mbroeker, everything works now, should I do any other modifications? |
| 11:58.07 | mbroeker | depends on your primary goals. i wanted php, ssl and redirects. |
| 11:58.13 | spheard | -tcpdump |
| 11:58.19 | spheard | !tcpdump |
| 11:58.20 | dpkg | somebody said tcpdump was a program that lets you spy on network traffic. Also known as the bane of privacy invading software companies |
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| 11:59.13 | a133x | so, do you think apache2 comes to bloated from the primary install? if i tweek the apache2.conf will run smoother? |
| 11:59.26 | mbroeker | and so i symlinked php* redirect*, ssl and dav_svn* |
| 11:59.33 | Lycus|afk | It really is amazing how far Linux has come in the last five years. |
| 12:00.02 | a133x | but there are a bunch of other enbaled modules in there, what did you do with those? |
| 12:00.13 | mbroeker | yes, apache serves static pages after a fresh installation. the mods are the key feature. theese mods are needed to be enabled. |
| 12:00.20 | apollo13 | hi, which program/tools should I use to check whether my wlan switch is sending a hotkey or a acpi event? |
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| 12:01.17 | mbroeker | a133x, take a look at them and remove step-by-step all unwanted mods |
| 12:01.40 | a133x | ok, i understand, i will do that |
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| 12:02.36 | cpilka | hi folks. i have some trouble running nfs server. after few hours of working i always get a "lockd: server xx.xx.xx.xx not responding, timed out". anyone here has a hint what's going wrong there? |
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| 12:15.39 | a133x | mbroeker, do you know a pleace where I could look trugh the debian packages? like a list or something, like synaptic for x |
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| 12:16.14 | SerajewelKS | a133x: aptitude |
| 12:16.32 | mbroeker | yes apitude works |
| 12:17.08 | a133x | thanks, works |
| 12:17.30 | mbroeker | i am not so familiar with theese debian tools right now |
| 12:17.52 | mbroeker | thats the reason why i am in here. i look for tips and advices ... |
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| 12:19.29 | a133x | i am pretty new to debian also, but from the most linux distros I tried to use as a server, debian seems the most stable and unbloated |
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| 12:20.46 | mbroeker | a133x, i installed debian lenny last week for the "stability" reason and was surprised that the init-scripts are so bad |
| 12:21.21 | cast | wait. |
| 12:21.21 | a133x | lenny is not still in development? |
| 12:21.26 | cast | lenny is testing |
| 12:21.31 | cast | etch is stable. |
| 12:21.52 | mbroeker | it is but i thought that belongs to the binary packages not the damn init scripts |
| 12:21.55 | a133x | yes, thats why I chose etch, etch seems pretty stable to me, but im no expert |
| 12:22.03 | cast | a133x: etch is stable :). |
| 12:22.04 | kirushik | and what's wrong with lenny's scripts? |
| 12:22.34 | kirushik | it's BSD-like system? ypu know:) |
| 12:22.47 | lunk | a133x: i switched from gentoo to etch about a week ago, i absolutely love it |
| 12:22.57 | mbroeker | kirushik, i restart postfix via /etc/init.d/postfix and got messages like "Postfix started:Postfix startedpostfix started" |
| 12:23.06 | kirushik | And I've experienced none problems with both etch and lenny |
| 12:23.11 | humbolto | I forgot my luksKeyPhrase. At least I don't remember exactly. I want to write a file with all combinations I think it could be and run luksOpen for each line. I know how to read the file line by line in bash, but my cryptsetup thing does not work, since I am testing it with a partition I still remember the passphrase of. |
| 12:23.30 | kirushik | Even after patching their scruipts to enable nice bootsplash statusbar |
| 12:23.34 | humbolto | Can anybody help me with the proper cryptsetup command? |
| 12:23.38 | a133x | lunk, i like it to, especialy the apt tool |
| 12:23.39 | mbroeker | after some changes to the init scripts they work a bit smoother |
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| 12:23.51 | humbolto | This is what I have and what does not work: while read line; do echo "$line" | sudo cryptsetup -d - luksOpen /dev/loop0 testcrypt ; done < asboe/phrases2 |
| 12:24.03 | mbroeker | another lack of lenny is that /etc/sasl/smtpd.conf is missing |
| 12:24.03 | a133x | mbroeker, they will probably get fixed untill lenny gets realeased as stable |
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| 12:25.06 | patrick-- | can someone tell me why this wont work? |
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| 12:25.07 | patrick-- | http://www.booom-partyband.de/webmail/ |
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| 12:26.10 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 12:26.29 | tamiya | every time i start my computer X starts up (GDM I think) |
| 12:26.36 | tamiya | how do i stop GDM from starting up |
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| 12:28.23 | Braindead | !tell tamiya about nodm |
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| 12:29.28 | a133x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.14 | mbroeker | !nodm |
| 12:30.14 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 12:30.15 | tamiya | huh? |
| 12:30.23 | kirushik | tamiya: install sysv-rc-conf |
| 12:30.33 | kirushik | and inside it disable gdm |
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| 12:31.34 | mbroeker | i would prefer kirushiks solution, tamiya. adjusting the runlevel with that tool is preferable |
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| 12:32.06 | olivierk | Yesterday, I said about this: "dirty: # mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/nogdm". |
| 12:32.09 | tamiya | going to try it right now |
| 12:32.13 | tamiya | will let u know |
| 12:32.16 | wfq | how can I know in debian if my date is GMT or what |
| 12:32.20 | axscode | how to install .deb file? |
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| 12:32.25 | wfq | I have run date but it is not showing any information |
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| 12:32.46 | axscode | !deb |
| 12:32.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, deb is the extension for debian precompiled packages |
| 12:33.03 | mbroeker | Do 23. Aug 14:33:02 CEST 2007 |
| 12:33.11 | kombi | mdstat resync speed=1396K/sec <- why could that be soooooo slow? |
| 12:33.11 | mbroeker | the date command works fine i think |
| 12:33.14 | kirushik | axscode: gdebi youfile.deb |
| 12:33.16 | axscode | !dpkg |
| 12:33.16 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 12:33.18 | Braindead | axscode: have you tried, perhaphs, asking TEH google the same question? | how to install .deb file? | |
| 12:33.39 | wfq | mbroeker I get something like Thu Aug 23 13:31:37 BST 2007 |
| 12:33.42 | axscode | !gdebi |
| 12:33.48 | wfq | what BST means? |
| 12:33.48 | kirushik | man gdebi: gdebi - Simple tool to install deb files |
| 12:34.18 | mbroeker | wfq, its a time zone |
| 12:34.37 | mbroeker | but i dont know where it is: CEST is central european time |
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| 12:34.46 | wfq | BST is british? |
| 12:34.53 | kombi | central european standard time |
| 12:35.00 | mbroeker | thanks kombi |
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| 12:35.33 | axscode | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process <-- any help for this please.. |
| 12:35.33 | dpkg | ...but status database area is already something else... |
| 12:35.37 | wfq | ummmmmm it is true |
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| 12:35.53 | mbroeker | wfq, i mean, GMT is greenwhich mean time. the mother of all time zones ( meridian 0 or so ) |
| 12:36.03 | wfq | yes yes |
| 12:36.07 | wfq | mbroeker, thanmks |
| 12:36.09 | Braindead | axscode: dpkg is a bot. |
| 12:36.09 | wfq | thanks |
| 12:36.18 | kombi | how do you speed up resync of an md? |
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| 12:36.40 | a133x | mbroeker, i have another problem with apache. I have a website that uses phtml pages. Now when I try to acces it I downloads the phtml files. Do you have any ideas wich module handles this files? |
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| 12:36.49 | axscode | Braindead: yeah. sounds like one. so about dpkg? any help? |
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| 12:37.38 | Braindead | axscode: guess what? another process put a lock on dpkg database. aptitude? apt-get? synaptic? dunnowhat? |
| 12:38.32 | mbroeker | a133x, well, you need a new file like /etc/apache2/conf.d/phtml |
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| 12:38.50 | axscode | i have aptitude running, but i dont have one on my console, |
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| 12:39.12 | cwheeler | Is there a way i can make kernel raid when I install debian? |
| 12:39.16 | mbroeker | a133x, sorry correction. correction |
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| 12:39.33 | Braindead | cwheeler: yes, the installer supports installing on RAID |
| 12:39.50 | cwheeler | where do I find the docs? |
| 12:40.01 | mbroeker | a133x, in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf is AddType ---- .phtml |
| 12:40.05 | SerajewelKS | axscode: if aptitude is running then it has a lock on the dpkg database |
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| 12:40.13 | Braindead | cwheeler: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html |
| 12:40.21 | cwheeler | thanks Braindead |
| 12:40.22 | mbroeker | a133x, so your apache should serve it right now |
| 12:40.43 | patrick-- | ive got a bit of a problem right now |
| 12:40.44 | patrick-- | http://eos.iface.openroot.de/ |
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| 12:41.39 | mbroeker | a133x, and it works for me out of the box: http://largo.homelinux.org/info.phtml |
| 12:42.24 | a133x | mbroeker, yes it worked for me also, but after i tried lighttp and than reinstalled apache2 again, it didnt anymore |
| 12:42.54 | SerajewelKS | a133x: did you forget to reinstall libapache2-mod-php5? |
| 12:43.41 | a133x | no, it is installed |
| 12:43.50 | a133x | something messed up the config files i think |
| 12:43.58 | mbroeker | a133x, echo "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" > /var/www/info.phtml |
| 12:43.59 | SerajewelKS | is the php module enabled? |
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| 12:44.38 | spheard | hey, does anyone know what I need to do to get mysql to accept remote connections? |
| 12:44.56 | cast | adjust its config i imagine |
| 12:44.57 | SerajewelKS | spheard: make it listen on something other than 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:45.07 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a way to encode wma files as mp3 ? |
| 12:45.29 | cast | gonzaloaf: sure is, use lame, maybe use mplayer to make a dump of the wma |
| 12:45.30 | mbroeker | a brick in the firewall, spheard and something in /etc/default/mysql* i think |
| 12:45.32 | SerajewelKS | spheard: /etc/mysql/my.cnf -- change the bind-address to 0.0.0.0 |
| 12:46.31 | gonzaloaf | cast, no support for wma of lame |
| 12:46.48 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: /etc/default/mysql* doesn't exist |
| 12:46.52 | cast | gonzaloaf: read to the end of the line :) |
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| 12:47.14 | mbroeker | SerajewelKS, ok. |
| 12:47.18 | spheard | SerajewelKS: I have changed that an still no joy |
| 12:47.19 | a133x | mbroeker, i added that line in the php5.conf, still nothing |
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| 12:47.26 | SerajewelKS | spheard: and did you restart mysql? |
| 12:47.32 | spheard | of course! |
| 12:47.45 | spheard | how do I check it is actually using that config |
| 12:47.46 | Naitse | Hi, there is a way to execute a script or command at the logout of a session? |
| 12:47.52 | kirushik | gonzaloaf : try dir2ogg |
| 12:48.04 | SerajewelKS | spheard: paste the output of: netstat -tnlp |grep :3306 |
| 12:48.06 | cast | ' When a login shell exits, bash reads and executes commands from the file ~/.bash_logout, if it exists.' |
| 12:48.09 | gnu_marte | bom dia |
| 12:48.14 | gnu_marte | Tudo bem com vc? |
| 12:48.18 | kirushik | It is listed in lenny repo and it supports wma (it is said) |
| 12:48.28 | cast | dunno if that helps ya Naitse |
| 12:48.32 | gnu_marte | Good Morning!! |
| 12:48.33 | spheard | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 24541/mysqld |
| 12:48.36 | kirushik | output is ogg? yes |
| 12:48.45 | SerajewelKS | spheard: pastebin your my.cnf |
| 12:49.00 | Naitse | cast, but at the login? or logout? |
| 12:49.07 | gonzaloaf | kirushik, thanks |
| 12:49.28 | gnu_marte | where is how tool dns? |
| 12:49.29 | mbroeker | a133x, can you execute "php /var/www/info.phtml" ? |
| 12:49.42 | Naitse | cast, i need to unmount a partition on the logout of a session of a user |
| 12:50.17 | kirushik | Naitse: GDM has usable scripts to be called on login?logout |
| 12:50.17 | SerajewelKS | Naitse: what if they log in twice? then log out of one of the sessions? |
| 12:50.22 | kirushik | Let me see |
| 12:50.23 | a133x | mbroeker: the odd thing is that .phtml was allready there, and when I execute info.phtml its just a blann page |
| 12:50.30 | spheard | http://rafb.net/p/P4RNhe70.html |
| 12:50.35 | spheard | SerajewelKS:^ |
| 12:50.37 | cast | Naitse: why do you want to do that anyway? |
| 12:51.11 | SerajewelKS | spheard: hmm, and you are sure you restarted mysqld |
| 12:51.17 | spheard | dead sure |
| 12:51.20 | spheard | Ill do it again |
| 12:51.22 | cast | Naitse: it says 'when a login shell exits' and its called ~/.bash_logout, so on the logout ;) |
| 12:51.29 | Naitse | because i got user folders on a NTFS filesystem and need to unmount the folder wen the user not use it |
| 12:51.35 | kirushik | /etc/gdm/PostSession |
| 12:51.38 | a133x | mbroeker: everything wroks now, it maye have been an cached file in my broawser |
| 12:51.40 | cast | Naitse: why? |
| 12:51.54 | mbroeker | a133x, what a miss :) |
| 12:52.02 | SerajewelKS | spheard: try commenting out bind-address completely |
| 12:52.09 | a133x | thanks :) |
| 12:52.11 | kirushik | Naitsee: You could tweak script to unmount partition if noone with the same name is istill in the system |
| 12:52.26 | kirushik | Try communication via /dev/shm files f.e. |
| 12:53.19 | Naitse | cast, when one administrator login one script mount their user folder locaten on the ntfs filesystem |
| 12:53.40 | Naitse | but if a studen logins later he can read the admin folder too |
| 12:53.41 | Naitse | so |
| 12:53.53 | SerajewelKS | Naitse: do you mean ntfs or nfs? |
| 12:53.53 | Naitse | i need to umount the admin folder when its loguots |
| 12:53.57 | cast | Naitse: so just use unix permissions for that |
| 12:53.59 | Naitse | ntfs |
| 12:54.09 | kirushik | Naitse: you could store number of admin's logins in temp file on ramdisk |
| 12:54.11 | cast | mount ntfs only readable by the administrator |
| 12:54.12 | SerajewelKS | Naitse: why the hell are you using ntfs as an integral part of a linux system |
| 12:54.14 | Naitse | can change the permisions |
| 12:54.18 | kirushik | on logout, if number is zero |
| 12:54.25 | Naitse | wont let me |
| 12:54.26 | kirushik | unmount partition |
| 12:54.47 | cast | read the ntfs mount options...you can set a perms |
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| 12:55.28 | Naitse | thanks kirushik |
| 12:55.31 | Naitse | thanks cast |
| 12:55.31 | Naitse | !! |
| 12:55.31 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 12:55.33 | Naitse | :D |
| 12:55.44 | cafuego | Guerin: Ping! Ping! |
| 12:56.14 | RAHSPUTIN | hi i am making a net install with laptop i just forgot to mark LAPTOP and just selected base system... what can i do , must i reinstall ? |
| 12:56.29 | kirushik | RASHPUTIN NO |
| 12:56.34 | SerajewelKS | RAHSPUTIN: you can install that task later |
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| 12:57.01 | nooneelse | hi people |
| 12:57.02 | SerajewelKS | RAHSPUTIN: all it does is install some packages that are useful on a laptop, like battery monitoring stuff |
| 12:57.08 | RAHSPUTIN | for what package/s should i look ? |
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| 12:57.17 | kirushik | in aptitude, you have tasks section |
| 12:57.17 | RAHSPUTIN | oh ok |
| 12:57.20 | SerajewelKS | RAHSPUTIN: once it is done installing we can take care of that |
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| 12:57.33 | cast | FWIW running tasksel after i already setup my system was a very very bad idea. somehow it got it in its mind to uninstall have the sys |
| 12:57.34 | SerajewelKS | RAHSPUTIN: debian doesn't break so easily :) |
| 12:57.38 | nooneelse | i have loaded a live cd, and have an hard disk with a LVM, how do I mount this LVM since the VolGroup doess not appear on /dev/ section ??? |
| 12:57.39 | RAHSPUTIN | :D |
| 12:57.42 | cast | s/have/half |
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| 12:58.02 | SerajewelKS | nooneelse: which live cd |
| 12:58.13 | cast | nooneelse: hmm, what does lvscan do |
| 12:58.21 | sw | Hi, I just switched from RHEL to Debian.. what is the equivalent to "yum whatprovides" in apt-get ? |
| 12:58.37 | SerajewelKS | sw: assuming that asks about a virtual package? |
| 12:58.44 | SerajewelKS | sw: or is it asking about files? |
| 12:58.47 | Braindead | sw: you're assuming we know what it does |
| 12:59.01 | sw | SerajewelKS, searching for a file |
| 12:59.02 | kirushik | sw: debian.org search system:) |
| 12:59.08 | SerajewelKS | !apt-file |
| 12:59.08 | dpkg | methinks apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 12:59.11 | kirushik | try it? it's huge |
| 12:59.13 | nooneelse | cast: inactive '/dev..............' [XXXXX GB] inherit |
| 12:59.20 | SerajewelKS | sw: see dpkg ^^^ |
| 12:59.29 | SerajewelKS | sw: or use packages.debian.org (usually easier) |
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| 13:00.50 | sw | SerajewelKS, ok thanks ! |
| 13:00.53 | mark25 | how do you upgrade a single package to unstable? |
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| 13:01.03 | SerajewelKS | mark25: aptitude install packagename/unstable |
| 13:01.16 | cast | nooneelse: woo, theres a pvscan too...note i don't know what these do. tell me when you work out what you're supposed to do :) |
| 13:01.25 | mark25 | thanks |
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| 13:02.38 | kirushik | mark25 : you better should not/ I advise ypu to build it yourself instead - very long chains of dependencies turn your system into half-unstable... |
| 13:02.41 | mbroeker | yesterday many people here were talking about the current kernel in sid, 2.6.22.x and i am wondering why i use 2.6.21 here in lenny. |
| 13:02.47 | kirushik | I've runned into this once |
| 13:02.55 | SerajewelKS | kirushik: you're assuming he's not using testing |
| 13:03.06 | kirushik | Yes, i am |
| 13:03.09 | NefariousPrior | Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know how to remove GRUB and replace the MBR from within XP ? |
| 13:03.10 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: because 2.6.22 has not moved into lenny |
| 13:03.20 | SerajewelKS | NefariousPrior: google fixmbr |
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| 13:03.55 | NefariousPrior | SerajewelKS: Oh I have. Everything I find says I need to boot of the XP cd and enter the recovery console. |
| 13:04.01 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: i'm running mostly lenny but some stuff from unstable, including the kernel |
| 13:04.04 | nooneelse | cast: this is the result of pvscan |
| 13:04.06 | SerajewelKS | NefariousPrior: because you do |
| 13:04.08 | nooneelse | cast: http://pastebin.com/d35c72b35 |
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| 13:04.49 | mbroeker | ok SerajewelKS that s it |
| 13:04.51 | NefariousPrior | SerajewelKS: My orignal question stated "within XP". |
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| 13:05.08 | nooneelse | cast: : and lvscan http://pastebin.com/d103f8117 |
| 13:05.20 | SerajewelKS | NefariousPrior: your original question has no known solution. ask ##windows or boot the install CD and do it. takes five minutes. |
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| 13:06.05 | cast | nooneelse: cool,so you can see your 3 lvs on /dev/sda2...maybe someone else will know how to get them to show up in /dev though :< |
| 13:06.11 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: that's what? |
| 13:06.14 | mbroeker | SerajewelKS, i use a custom kernel here, actually linux-tree is installed. will this package be updated regularly or have i do that myself? |
| 13:06.35 | nooneelse | cast: lol kk |
| 13:06.37 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: new kernels go into sid fairly often |
| 13:06.40 | NefariousPrior | SerajewelKS: Strange as it may seem(not really) ##windows doesn't seem to know what an MBR is.... and my XP cd does not contain the recover console option. :( I do appreciate the help though. |
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| 13:06.57 | nooneelse | so I'll change my question how can I set up my VolGroups of my LVM on DEV ??? |
| 13:07.09 | SerajewelKS | NefariousPrior: it should when you boot say something like "press f2 to enter the recovery console" before it starts loading drivers |
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| 13:07.45 | cast | nooneelse: hmm, vgchange has 'To activate all known volume groups in the system: vgchange -a y' |
| 13:07.45 | mbroeker | SerajewelKS, in case of my "fresh installation and my growing expierences with it, i wont mix lenny, sid, stable, unstable, testing and so on. i will wait for updates and later on, i can adjust it if needed |
| 13:07.55 | NefariousPrior | SerajewelKS: I'm familiar with the option as I have seen it in the past on other disks. Mine however, does not contain it. |
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| 13:08.40 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: ok. there is usually little harm in mixing testing and unstable |
| 13:08.45 | a133x | does anyone know if it is possible to put a disk quota on a single directory? |
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| 13:09.02 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: testing intentionally lags behind unstable a bit but the idea is that unstable packages get moved to testing |
| 13:09.32 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: stable however is fixed -- that is why mixing it and unstable is so bad. but mixing testing and unstable is pretty safe and commonly done. |
| 13:10.03 | kirushik | SerajewelKS: +1 |
| 13:10.12 | NefariousPrior | SerajewelKS: thanks for the assistance. I think I've found a freeware tool(shudders) that will do it. Gonna test out that theory. Good day. |
| 13:10.18 | SerajewelKS | kirushik: eh? |
| 13:10.22 | spheard | http://www.moanmyip.com/ |
| 13:10.26 | SerajewelKS | NefariousPrior: np, good luck |
| 13:10.29 | mbroeker | SerajewelKS, as i had to choose which debian version i use, i moved my browser to the wikipedia debian site and they told me: "sid is old but stable, lenny is prefered for desktop enviroments..." and so i have choosen it |
| 13:10.34 | kirushik | That means I'm absolutely agree |
| 13:10.51 | kirushik | Is this sign is common only here in Russia? |
| 13:10.52 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: the wikipedia site doesn't have a clue what they're talking about then |
| 13:11.02 | tim_flatu1 | I'm struggling with a net install. I'm using pxe as per d-i instructions, but gpxe on the client can't find any images. Does anyone know whether it want to find pxelinux.0 or an .iso? |
| 13:11.08 | Braindead | mbroeker: can you please give us the link to the exact page? |
| 13:11.19 | SerajewelKS | kirushik: i think i've seen it used to mean "good karma" or somesuch |
| 13:11.20 | tim_flatu1 | or both? |
| 13:11.49 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: and sid is not old but stable... stable is old but stable |
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| 13:12.57 | mbroeker | Braindead, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian thats the site and http://uebersetzer.abacho.de/ will transate it for you |
| 13:13.06 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: the basic idea is that a package in unstable is copied to testing after 7 days with no release-critical bugs filed |
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| 13:13.41 | mbroeker | Braindead, the chapter ( Releases, Point 2. ) |
| 13:13.45 | anapivirtua__ | Hi world. |
| 13:13.45 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: so using testing is safer than unstable, but the only harm in mixing them is getting hit by an RC bug in unstable. which is why you check the BTS before doing such an update. |
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| 13:14.17 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: but again you won't have too many dependency issues since testing is basically 7-day-old unstable |
| 13:14.31 | SerajewelKS | if you don't count packages held due to bugs and waiting dependencies |
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| 13:15.22 | SerajewelKS | mbroeker: and what you get from unstable will at some point either be in testing, or a newer version will be in testeng |
| 13:15.26 | SerajewelKS | testing* |
| 13:15.45 | humbolto | with which command do I securely delete a file? |
| 13:16.13 | mbroeker | humbolto, what do you mean with "securely" ? |
| 13:16.36 | mbroeker | rm -f file.txt or something like dd if=/dev/zero of=file.txt && rm -f file.txt ? |
| 13:16.50 | kirushik | humbolto I use package "secure-delete" so it is srm filename |
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| 13:17.02 | nooneelse | cast: thanks dude worked fine |
| 13:17.07 | Braindead | mbroeker: I quote your affermation: "sid is old but stable, lenny is prefered for desktop enviroments..." and look at the german wikipedia page: Unstable is always called "Sid". Sid was in the film Toy story the boy from next door, the toys made broken. Many see it quiet also as Backronym for "in development" ("still in development") or as recursive acronym for "sid is dangerous". |
| 13:17.14 | kirushik | there is shred in bash also. It is said it is weaker than srm |
| 13:17.22 | Braindead | mbroeker: you just got the page wrong. |
| 13:17.29 | SerajewelKS | humbolto: man shred |
| 13:17.30 | humbolto | mbroeker: there was some app that would make sure random data is written over the file several times. |
| 13:17.31 | Braindead | misunderstanding. |
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| 13:17.44 | SerajewelKS | humbolto: but note that if you are on ext3 any file shredding is pointless since it's journalled |
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| 13:18.03 | humbolto | SerajewelKS: ja shred sounds good as does secure-delete. |
| 13:18.11 | SerajewelKS | humbolto: so you can't shred at all on ext3, but if you are on another filesystem, shred works |
| 13:18.42 | humbolto | SerajewelKS: why is that? The journal wont keep the data, just the references to the blocks on the disk?! |
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| 13:19.00 | kirushik | SerajewelKS: Can't I? I can, I suppose... |
| 13:19.12 | SerajewelKS | humbolto: all i know is that everything i've read says shredding on ext3 doesn't do what you think |
| 13:19.47 | kirushik | SerajewelKS: Because evil person can still read the title of ypur file? and block number |
| 13:19.47 | humbolto | kirushik: does SerajewelKS comment affect secure-delete as well? |
| 13:19.53 | kirushik | It is not thad bad |
| 13:19.53 | SerajewelKS | humbolto: i take that back |
| 13:20.05 | SerajewelKS | humbolto: if you mounted it with journal=data then shred won't work |
| 13:20.24 | SerajewelKS | humbolto: and few people do. just double-check that, if that option isn't there you'll be fine. |
| 13:20.27 | kirushik | Journal keeps info, that's right |
| 13:20.47 | kirushik | in ext3? you can't silently drop anything - trail is there |
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| 13:21.09 | kirushik | Bat noone can recall what was inthe file important.odt |
| 13:21.12 | tim_flatu1 | If this doesn't work, I'll go back to the idea of setting up a local partial mirror. |
| 13:21.28 | kirushik | And it is possible to remount ext3 as ext2 - without journal |
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| 13:21.35 | SerajewelKS | right |
| 13:21.48 | SerajewelKS | but you don't need to unless you've mounted journal=data |
| 13:22.20 | kirushik | SerajewelKS If he wants to hide porno.avii, even name trace will be bad... |
| 13:22.36 | kirushik | s/avii/avi |
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| 13:23.04 | SerajewelKS | kirushik: that's what encfs is for :) |
| 13:23.15 | kirushik | sure thing |
| 13:23.27 | SerajewelKS | they'll trace it to eisEPRSiusOyXINTHuoikq |
| 13:23.30 | kirushik | But can you boot from it? huh:) |
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| 13:23.53 | mbroeker | damn, reallife sucks. my $girl_friend wants to take me into the city to look for clothes... |
| 13:23.57 | SerajewelKS | encrypted LVM? :) |
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| 13:24.04 | kirushik | personnaly i writed script for srm call and placed it into nautilus menu - tha's enough |
| 13:24.08 | kirushik | for me |
| 13:24.24 | kirushik | I advise truecrypt for paranoid ones |
| 13:25.05 | cast | we have dm-crypt already |
| 13:25.06 | tim_flatu1 | I thought installing Debian over a network might be a bit more straightforward. I still don't understand how the client finds an installation image. I'm flummoxed. |
| 13:25.07 | SerajewelKS | i've thought about doing the encrypted-lvm-with-key-on-thumb-drive thing |
| 13:25.09 | kirushik | It mounts container with kernel loopback |
| 13:25.14 | mbroeker | humbolto, SerajewelKS thanks for your comments, tips and advices. i hope to see you both in a few hours back. |
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| 13:25.23 | SerajewelKS | as long as the key stays in memory i can boot it and remove the drive |
| 13:25.34 | SerajewelKS | then if i'm away and my box is stolen they get a bunch of random bits to play with |
| 13:25.41 | kirushik | and you can chroot after basic initialisation into the encrypted-on-the-fly enviroment |
| 13:25.46 | cast | SerajewelKS: bit better to use a cryptocard, though :) |
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| 13:26.00 | SerajewelKS | cast: i don't have the time or money to investigate that |
| 13:26.21 | cast | SerajewelKS: join the FSFE and they'll send you one! |
| 13:26.25 | kirushik | I've used to encrypt /home/ for on corporation |
| 13:26.39 | SerajewelKS | cast: heh |
| 13:26.46 | kirushik | to be decrypted only if valid USB token present |
| 13:26.54 | harpal | I am trying to do apt-get update bu after Get:5 http://ftp.debian.org unstable/main Packages [6403kB] it got stop |
| 13:27.03 | kirushik | But it is pointless - every user is silly |
| 13:27.19 | kirushik | And easily loose his key and all the data |
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| 13:27.21 | harpal | telling Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Connection timed out |
| 13:27.37 | kirushik | I've crypted this and that with GPG and so on |
| 13:27.40 | kirushik | Hopeless |
| 13:27.42 | humbolto | SerajewelKS, kirushik: tnx for the advice. I used wipe. |
| 13:27.43 | harpal | it takes packages upto 55% and than stop |
| 13:27.48 | SerajewelKS | humbolto: np |
| 13:27.51 | kirushik | They dropped the game after while |
| 13:28.05 | SerajewelKS | kirushik: gpg is great for backups though |
| 13:28.22 | kirushik | SO, the bitter conclusion - weakest defense is in Userspace^) |
| 13:28.23 | SerajewelKS | kirushik: keep a key on your person and you can backup to $my_favorite_sharing_site |
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| 13:29.23 | kirushik | SerajewelKS Yes, I know. I've been trying to encode symmetric key on token with my publicGPG and store it locally |
| 13:29.36 | kirushik | Corp guys said - We don't trust you |
| 13:29.40 | kirushik | Use our key |
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| 13:30.02 | kirushik | Should i complain that their lost their secret part:) |
| 13:30.11 | Ryushin | I'm trying to write a script to let me know when schedules direct opens allows sign ins. For some reason this command does not pull the same content as the firefox web browser: wget -qO- --user-agent="firefox" https://www.schedulesdirect.org/signup/ |
| 13:30.15 | cramm | Hi, what could be the reason the boot process is trying to mount the filesystems in an order different from the odrer of the records in /etc/fstab? |
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| 13:31.28 | SerajewelKS | Ryushin: --user-agent="firefox" doesn't do what you think |
| 13:31.49 | SerajewelKS | Ryushin: firefox doesn't use "firefox" as its UA |
| 13:32.06 | Ryushin | Okay, so I have to find out what the real user agent is. K, thanks. |
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| 13:32.30 | piper69 | hi |
| 13:32.33 | piper69 | !ftp |
| 13:32.33 | dpkg | from memory, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 13:33.15 | cast | does MS sell anything for firewall boxen? |
| 13:33.20 | piper69 | !pwn2d |
| 13:33.28 | piper69 | !pwm3d |
| 13:33.32 | SerajewelKS | !tell piper69 about msg the bot |
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| 13:33.47 | Ronin | cast: don't know, ask them |
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| 13:35.15 | piper69 | what does pwm3d mean? |
| 13:35.26 | Braindead | piper69: pwn3d. ask google |
| 13:35.34 | harpal | where I can get packet libgdiplus-1.2.4 ? |
| 13:35.37 | SerajewelKS | piper69: it's a way to spell "owned" |
| 13:36.18 | piper69 | SerajewelKS thank you, but how, there is no relation at all |
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| 13:36.44 | SerajewelKS | piper69: pwned is an intentional misspelling of owned, and 3 = e in leetspeak |
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| 13:37.44 | piper69 | SerajewelKS sir thank you for clearing that up i know understand it :) |
| 13:38.01 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 13:38.44 | giupy | hi all |
| 13:39.30 | giupy | i have recompiled kernel but i have problem with ethernet card, driver is loaded however i recive this when i try dhclient: "Can't create addrlist socket |
| 13:39.30 | giupy | exiting." |
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| 13:41.48 | Braindead | giupy: you forgot something configuring that kernel. no, we're not gonna help you debug that problem 'cause kernel configuration is a bloody mess per se. let alone helping someone doing it remotely. stick with precooked kernel images UNLESS it's really needed otherwise |
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| 13:42.17 | efaistos | hmm ... how to generate a new initrd.img for a new kernel |
| 13:42.19 | efaistos | ? |
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| 13:42.46 | azeem | efaistos: did you compile the kernel yourself? |
| 13:42.54 | giupy | braindog: thanks anyhow |
| 13:43.01 | Braindead | giupy: muori porcodio |
| 13:43.02 | Nibbl | efaistos, either with mkinit* tools or by following linux/Documentation/initrd |
| 13:43.17 | efaistos | azeem: nope just installed the 2.6.21 pkg |
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| 13:43.41 | Nibbl | efaistos, normally it should be done during kernel install, if you use apt |
| 13:43.45 | giupy | Braindead: ? |
| 13:43.53 | Braindead | XD |
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| 13:44.01 | azeem | efaistos: do you have use_initrd=no in /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
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| 13:44.35 | efaistos | azeem: no |
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| 13:44.41 | efaistos | i have yes |
| 13:44.56 | sarixe | what's a good frontend for crond? |
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| 13:45.47 | JosefAssad | crontab -e? |
| 13:45.58 | philll | hi all |
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| 13:46.47 | efaistos | is that a good idea to generate my own initrd.img ? |
| 13:46.59 | sarixe | JosefAssad : thanks |
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| 13:47.32 | efaistos | azeem: any idea ? |
| 13:47.42 | JosefAssad | bloody hell, it's such a labor getting votes on reddit :( |
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| 13:48.44 | azeem | efaistos: reinstall the kernel image and look for error |
| 13:48.44 | azeem | s |
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| 13:49.31 | efaistos | azeem: i have some trouble with libc6, busybox etc ... |
| 13:49.40 | efaistos | dependecy problens |
| 13:49.47 | efaistos | /sproblens/problems |
| 13:50.15 | kirushik | efaistos: man mkinitramfs |
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| 13:50.32 | eeyore- | morning |
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| 13:51.45 | efaistos | kirushik: i know the man and everythin' but there is a problem with some pkgs ... because no upgrade was made between sarge and etch and i have a sarge kernel so its a 2.6.7 |
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| 13:52.12 | cyber-brain | hi all!any help about configureing nvidia on debian 4.0??? |
| 13:52.13 | z3r0ph3wl | i want to move linux firewall distribution to new pc. i cloned hdd. everything loads perferct but not network card. how i should add use it to new mashine? |
| 13:52.17 | efaistos | any idea ?> |
| 13:52.31 | xand | !tell z3r0ph3wl about interfaces |
| 13:53.09 | cyber-brain | where to download nvidia-kernel-source??? |
| 13:53.17 | cyber-brain | !nvidia |
| 13:53.17 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 13:53.17 | kirushik | efaistos there are good pre-built kernels. there is one in etch They DO make initrd during installation. try dpkg-reconfigure if you have already installed them and still have some troubles |
| 13:53.32 | kirushik | then double-check /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:53.45 | efaistos | i tried |
| 13:53.48 | efaistos | alreadyu |
| 13:53.48 | kirushik | look carefully initrd lines |
| 13:54.07 | kirushik | what's the problem then, exactly? |
| 13:55.51 | efaistos | kirushik: trying to install libc6 but we need a 2.6.8 at least ... and i've got a 2.6.7 |
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| 13:56.01 | efaistos | and there is a lot of errors about dependencies |
| 13:57.02 | kirushik | efaistos have you installed 2.6.18 |
| 13:57.04 | kirushik | ??? |
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| 13:57.10 | efaistos | 2.6.21 |
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| 13:57.25 | efaistos | but apparently it says taht it's not well installed |
| 13:57.34 | efaistos | when i try to reinstall the kernel |
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| 13:57.42 | techbie | !sarge->etch |
| 13:57.42 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 13:57.43 | kirushik | Have you double-checked GRUB? |
| 13:57.55 | kirushik | You can boot from old kernel |
| 13:58.19 | kirushik | f.e. it could use symlink to your old kernel... |
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| 13:59.00 | kirushik | you have /vmlinuz symlink |
| 13:59.02 | twobitsprite | I'm looking for a good boot cd for ripping hdd images and restoring them, something that's OS agnostic and runs on many architectures... |
| 13:59.08 | twobitsprite | anyone have any suggestions?\ |
| 13:59.09 | kirushik | Don't use it! |
| 13:59.14 | efaistos | kirushik: i dont have a physical acces to the box |
| 13:59.16 | abrotman | like a boot cd ? |
| 13:59.20 | kirushik | It only causes troubles, afaik |
| 13:59.29 | abrotman | kirushik: those links work fine |
| 13:59.34 | abrotman | assuming they're correct :) |
| 13:59.59 | a133x | does anyone know if it is a problem if I put a quota for a user drectly on the / dir and not on /home |
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| 14:00.48 | kirushik | efaistos check /boot/grub/menu.lst You can,can't you? make sure first line is about the real kernel, not the synmlink. Then, make sure you boot choice is 0 by default (not "saved" etc.) |
| 14:00.49 | efaistos | kirushik: BOOKZ is the guy owning the box with the libc6 dependency problem ... |
| 14:00.52 | kirushik | then reboot |
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| 14:02.23 | kirushik | abrotman haven't you ever update symlink for your custom kernel? |
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| 14:03.12 | abrotman | kirushik: eh? i used to use those symlinks all the time with custom kernels |
| 14:03.13 | kirushik | twobitsprite knoppix or backtrack |
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| 14:04.03 | kirushik | abrotman OK, then you're more careful than me. I forgot once |
| 14:04.50 | kirushik | it's funny to update some propietary driver, which rely on symlink to your "current kenel" when it is wrong |
| 14:05.06 | efaistos | abrotman: any idea for our problem ? |
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| 14:06.04 | IanL | anyone here use dvorak? Sun Java seems to want to treat my keyboard like a qwery keyboard when I use control keys. |
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| 14:06.44 | abrotman | efaistos: i wasn't following .. what'd you break ? |
| 14:06.53 | abrotman | IanL: maybe #java ? |
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| 14:07.15 | efaistos | BOOKZ: can you explain to abrotman ? |
| 14:07.22 | efaistos | i have to pee |
| 14:07.23 | efaistos | ... |
| 14:07.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:07.47 | kirushik | abrotman the two guys are twins |
| 14:07.51 | kirushik | %) |
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| 14:08.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:08.12 | IanL | abrotman: Yah, I'll try there. most likely a java rather than debian specific issue anyway |
| 14:08.37 | BOOKZ | abrotman: basically, I have an old kernel, and I tried an upgrade, and the new kernel want a new libc6 and the new libc6 want the new kernel |
| 14:08.40 | praecox | hey guys, where can I get Java Virtual Machine >= 1.5 for Debian Etch? |
| 14:08.42 | BOOKZ | and it's more or less stuck there |
| 14:09.02 | BOOKZ | of course, in the meantime, I tried to install a few things by hand with dpkg -i, so it got worse |
| 14:09.05 | BOOKZ | :) |
| 14:09.25 | praecox | jamvm is in version 1.4.x, even in etch backports. |
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| 14:10.52 | kirushik | BOOKZ do you want to build your kernel yourself, from source? You wont need brand-new libc6, afaik |
| 14:11.08 | kirushik | And anyone could share you a config for kernel |
| 14:11.21 | BOOKZ | no no, I just need the system to upgrade as usual :) |
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| 14:11.39 | BOOKZ | I'm not into home-made kernels |
| 14:11.51 | knoxy | how can I do to install debian apache with ISO-8859-1 for default? |
| 14:12.05 | BOOKZ | it's just that I probably missed the switch from kernel-image to linux-image on that machine |
| 14:12.16 | kirushik | BOOKZ they're like debian-make - the same config, allthing the same |
| 14:12.47 | kirushik | but you can compile and use it temporarily, and then upgrade to the one from dpkg |
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| 14:13.20 | BOOKZ | ah ok |
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| 14:13.35 | kirushik | BOOKZ Won't you just reinstall Etch from empty partition |
| 14:13.41 | BOOKZ | not sure if everything needed to compile it is installed |
| 14:13.51 | kirushik | using dpkg -i could already bring you to a mess... |
| 14:14.13 | kirushik | And you are free to keep your /home folders... |
| 14:14.16 | BOOKZ | I'm 600 km away from the machine, so I'd rather avoir bringing it to a state where it won't reboot |
| 14:14.25 | BOOKZ | s/avoir/avoid/ |
| 14:14.34 | kirushik | Have you placed them on the different part.? |
| 14:14.43 | BOOKZ | yes |
| 14:14.46 | kirushik | WOW! |
| 14:14.56 | kirushik | Umm. |
| 14:15.04 | kirushik | There is NOBODY there? |
| 14:15.07 | BOOKZ | everything is in lvm, expect the root partition |
| 14:15.25 | kirushik | Who can place round shiny disk into drive? |
| 14:15.26 | efaistos | abrotman: come help us .. |
| 14:15.32 | BOOKZ | nobody that has too much time to spare on installing a debian machine |
| 14:15.55 | kirushik | 15 minutes? |
| 14:16.08 | efaistos | windows user ? |
| 14:16.14 | BOOKZ | kirushik: there are install images which you can join via ssh? |
| 14:16.21 | BOOKZ | efaistos: freebsd user |
| 14:16.27 | efaistos | ah ... |
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| 14:16.36 | BOOKZ | but also busy man |
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| 14:17.01 | kirushik | There should be. Let me see |
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| 14:17.34 | kirushik | http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html |
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| 14:17.39 | horrng | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 14:17.40 | horrng | usb 1-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 14:17.40 | horrng | scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 14:17.41 | horrng | usb-storage: device found at 2 |
| 14:17.41 | horrng | usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
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| 14:18.29 | abrotman | efaistos: sorry .. let me read back |
| 14:18.39 | efaistos | okay |
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| 14:18.56 | abrotman | BOOKZ: did you try isntalling them on the same line? and what's your current kernel ? |
| 14:19.13 | AngusRF | How can I make bind listen to some different port than 53? |
| 14:19.14 | kirushik | BOOKZ try Debootstrap? |
| 14:19.16 | abrotman | BOOKZ: and do you have the full output of the new kernel/libc errors ? |
| 14:19.37 | abrotman | BOOKZ: IIRC .. your current kernel is old .. you're running unstable .. and it wants a 2.6.8 kernel before it'll let oyu upgrade libc6 |
| 14:19.43 | BOOKZ | current: 2.6.7-1-38 |
| 14:19.50 | abrotman | yeah .. too old |
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| 14:19.57 | BOOKZ | abrotman: exactly |
| 14:20.00 | abrotman | grab the 2.6.8 from sarge .. try to intsall that .. boot that .. then try again |
| 14:20.06 | abrotman | (or maybe a 2.6.18 from etch) |
| 14:20.17 | abrotman | i don't remember how hcy fixed his |
| 14:20.21 | abrotman | but he was running 2.6.3 |
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| 14:20.35 | BOOKZ | so I need to get a few .debs? |
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| 14:22.09 | fluxdude | is it just me or was there an app called apt-config or something that used to give you a list of debian mirrors and set your /etc/apt/sources.list file ? Where did it go? |
| 14:22.54 | fluxdude | no I think it was apt-setup or something, apt-config looks to be something else... |
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| 14:22.59 | cast | apt: usr/bin/apt-config |
| 14:23.05 | cast | maybe you mean apt-setup? |
| 14:23.14 | cast | ahh..right..ignore :) |
| 14:23.27 | cast | dunno, could use apt-spy instead |
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| 14:25.30 | waspius | hi.sorry for the off topic question but i have downloaded a movie that has vob, bup and ifo files in it..proper dvd rip...do i just create a data dvd and put them all in or is there something else i need to do? |
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| 14:25.44 | fluxdude | why remove such a useful program? I can never remember mirrors and things to write in sources.list and is always a bother every time i install debian... |
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| 14:25.52 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 14:26.00 | Haris | Is debian a gnu or UNIX 7 implementation? |
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| 14:26.10 | xand | !apt-setup |
| 14:26.10 | dpkg | apt-setup is, like, a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. No longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 14:26.34 | beardy | Haris: Does Debian GNU/Linux (or GNU/Hurd, and so on) tell yous omething? |
| 14:26.40 | Haris | yes |
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| 14:26.52 | Haris | Is this generally true about linux? |
| 14:27.02 | beardy | Haris: Yes. |
| 14:27.15 | fluxdude | apt-spy just segfaulted on me.... |
| 14:27.19 | fluxdude | urgggg.... |
| 14:27.23 | Haris | Ok, thankyou |
| 14:27.25 | fluxdude | bring back apt-setup! |
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| 14:27.40 | beardy | Haris: Linux is, I would say almost entirely run with GNU userland. |
| 14:28.01 | Ronin | fluxdude: why? its not necessary |
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| 14:28.31 | waspius | anyone? |
| 14:28.42 | abrotman | BOOKZ: likely .. yes |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | fluxdude: you're welcome to maintain it |
| 14:29.09 | fluxdude | Ronin: I like it, it's easier than remembering or looking up mirrors when installing debian and setting up sources... |
| 14:29.17 | snowbird | stoned flip side |
| 14:29.22 | efaistos | on reboote ? |
| 14:29.30 | efaistos | ooops ... |
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| 14:34.56 | tim_flatu1 | Is it actually possible to boot from a remote .iso? the d-i-g really isn't that clear. |
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| 14:35.47 | tim_flatu1 | I'm having no fun with pxe |
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| 14:37.22 | tim_flatu1 | I think there is possibly something really basic I've missed. inetd doesn't seem to have an entry in /etc/init.d/ |
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| 14:37.53 | tim_flatu1 | But I've just edited /etc/inetd.conf |
| 14:38.44 | tim_flatu1 | I'm clearly doing something dumb here. :/ |
| 14:39.58 | spheard | uhm, Im having really probs understanding the date man page. I deed to create a timedate string that has no spaces for use as a filename. how would I go about that? |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | tim_flatu1: i doubt it |
| 14:40.37 | kenji | how can I purge or uninstall not used packages? |
| 14:40.48 | abrotman | man dpkg |
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| 14:41.59 | sn_ | hello, Where can I find the init files for gnome? (I mean something alike /etc/skel for adduser) |
| 14:42.06 | kenji | how can I purge or uninstall not used packages? |
| 14:42.30 | sn_ | kenji: apt-get --purge remove [package] |
| 14:42.45 | sn_ | please |
| 14:42.46 | cast | use aptitude from the start and aptitude will deal with that itself :) |
| 14:42.49 | spheard | will colons in a filename cause any problems? |
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| 14:43.14 | cast | deborphan i think might be up your street if you use apt-get |
| 14:43.14 | sparrw | how can i specify a parameter for a module that is loaded at boot time (automagically, discover?) |
| 14:43.15 | axscode | mkdir "not:at:all" |
| 14:43.23 | kenji | sn_ I wanna clean all the not ussed packages |
| 14:43.35 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 14:43.47 | spheard | axscode even for http? |
| 14:43.49 | abrotman | sparrw: man modprobe |
| 14:44.10 | tim_flatu1 | abrotman: thanks for the moral support. ;) |
| 14:44.11 | kenji | no way to clean a debian system? |
| 14:44.46 | abrotman | !tell kenji about deborphan |
| 14:44.50 | abrotman | !tell kenji about debfoster |
| 14:45.02 | sparrw | abrotman: its already inserted when i boot |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | then you'd have to unload it |
| 14:45.37 | sparrw | i was hoping there was a way to find out what is inserting it, and tell that program to use a parameter |
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| 14:46.17 | abrotman | sparrw: i just told you .. man modprobe |
| 14:46.27 | cahoot | sparrw, should be able to pass options the module via a file in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 14:47.04 | sparrw | cahoot: thanks |
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| 14:47.15 | abrotman | cahoot: way to make him read! |
| 14:47.48 | sparrw | way to tell him that modprobe will work, as opposed to just pointing to a random man page that wouldnt be relevant if insmod was used |
| 14:48.04 | tim_flatu1 | How badly do you think I'd break an ubuntu box by changing all its sources to debian and apt-get dist-upgrading? |
| 14:48.22 | sparrw | tim_flatu1: either surprisingly little, or surprisingly much :) |
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| 14:48.49 | abrotman | tim_flatu1: neithert channel would support you .. |
| 14:49.08 | Penix | suck it up and reinstall |
| 14:49.13 | cast | tim_flatu1: i think you should do it. |
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| 14:49.41 | tim_flatu1 | abrotman: Fine. I think I might look at the local partial mirror option and net-install from that. |
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| 14:50.04 | axscode | This problem is because that rule assumes that DYNFS implies udev . But DYNFS also checks for devfs, which is still allowed in Sarge. |
| 14:50.09 | axscode | can anyone help with my problem? |
| 14:50.42 | tim_flatu1 | cast: I've got three machines. I can afford to waste one, once I've figured out how to re-install. (the CD drives are knackered btw) |
| 14:51.05 | tim_flatu1 | I guess it would be interesting to know. |
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| 14:53.10 | sparrw | tim_flatu1: situations like this are why its good to keep /var and /opt and /home on different partitions, lose nothing but system-installed apps when you reinstall |
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| 14:56.48 | Rapp | i am getting this error while running apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://ftp.freenet.de stable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 14:56.58 | Rapp | is this serious, or can i ignore it? |
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| 14:57.48 | unilynx | Is there a way to use mke2fs as a user? Because when I format my Mem stick as root it obviously sets all permissions for root access only. Do people usually just change the owner of it as root? |
| 14:58.02 | xand | unilynx: that's a very bad idea. |
| 14:58.11 | unilynx | ok |
| 14:58.36 | unilynx | so what method should i be doing? i guess i'm mixed up as to what the appropriate way to go about it is |
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| 15:01.15 | Enigma | How can I use find to locate files bigger than a given value? |
| 15:01.22 | Enigma | find / -size 100b works for distinct sizes |
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| 15:01.49 | Rapp | Enigma, rtm: + and - |
| 15:02.05 | Rapp | -size +100b |
| 15:02.24 | Enigma | Rapp: thx |
| 15:02.33 | Rapp | anyone who knows what's up with this key error? |
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| 15:08.44 | bullgard4 | Why is /proc/acpi/fan empty? Where are the fan states stored? |
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| 15:09.37 | jerbear | hey guys... can someone help me with a checkinstall problem? i configured the prefix for /usr/local, did make and "checkinstall --install=no", but when i install the deb, it appears to be installing it to /usr, and failing in the process. here's a paste of the errors: http://pastebin.com/m3b598360 |
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| 15:10.57 | cast | [heh, to install pidgin too] |
| 15:11.08 | jerbear | stow? |
| 15:11.14 | jerbear | i'm not familiar with that |
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| 15:12.00 | cast | its an alternative to checkinstall, and is in stable |
| 15:12.12 | cast | it does not try to create debs, though |
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| 15:12.38 | jerbear | cast: i don't necessarily need debs, just a way to easily remove it, if i need to |
| 15:12.47 | cast | ahh, stow will give you that |
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| 15:13.26 | jerbear | great... reading the man page now... any pointers? |
| 15:14.12 | cast | if you install stow, install -d -o youruser /usr/local/stow/pidgin, ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/pidgin/ --exec-prefix=/usr/local/stow/pidgin/ && make && make install |
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| 15:15.48 | cast | the install -d -o has to be run as root, now pidgin is installed. but in an obscure place. so you would, as root, cd /usr/local/stow; stow -v pidgin and it'll setup symlinks from /usr/local/bin etc.. to /usr/local/stow/pidgin/bin etc.. |
| 15:15.50 | jerbear | at what point does stow link everything in to /usr/local? |
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| 15:16.09 | jerbear | ahhh |
| 15:16.26 | cast | then when you want to uninstall it, cd /usr/local/stow; stow -D pidgin; rm -fr pidgin/ |
| 15:16.43 | tim_flatus | sparrw, I don't care about any data in this situation. |
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| 15:16.51 | jerbear | what does the "install -d -o youruser /usr/local/stow/pidgin" do? what is the purpose of the "youruser" part? |
| 15:17.23 | jyf1987 | hello ,i've got a error when i run grub-install |
| 15:17.33 | cast | oh, well, i like running make install as a normal user so i can't hose my system. that part creates the pidgin dir owned by youruser so you can run make install as youruser |
| 15:17.40 | jyf1987 | it shows : /dev/ram0 does not have any corresponding bios drive |
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| 15:17.53 | jyf1987 | can somebody tell me why ? |
| 15:18.25 | sparrw | tim_flatus: then why not start from scratch? |
| 15:18.42 | jerbear | cast: thanks, this has been very helpful.... i'll be glad to get rid of checkinstall |
| 15:18.43 | tim_flatus | sparrw, that's exactly what I'm trying to do :? |
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| 15:19.03 | sparrw | tim_flatus: what does that have to do with sources then? |
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| 15:19.40 | tim_flatus | sparrw, that was just a random thought because I was finding pxe booting such a pain. |
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| 15:19.58 | sparrw | heh |
| 15:20.01 | eleckttruss | ... |
| 15:20.04 | sparrw | i had to get pxe working to install on my tablet :) |
| 15:20.04 | jyf1987 | can somebody tell me why ? |
| 15:20.09 | jyf1987 | hello ,i've got a error when i run grub-install |
| 15:20.15 | jyf1987 | it shows : /dev/ram0 does not have any corresponding bios drive |
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| 15:20.26 | simonrvn | !tell jyf1987 -about repeat |
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| 15:20.53 | jyf1987 | o i will shutup |
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| 15:22.00 | resistance | why would it take route command such a lond time to return the gateway |
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| 15:23.06 | resistance | i'm trying to figure out why my apache2 won't work on the server, it's started and listening, but it won't serve the default web page |
| 15:23.23 | resistance | when i type in the lan ip, it won't work |
| 15:23.24 | benj90 | Hello to everyone... do somebody help me with a mount command ? |
| 15:23.31 | resistance | can anyone help |
| 15:23.50 | spheard | !ntp |
| 15:23.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 15:24.06 | azeem | benj90: ask more specific questions, or nobody will answer |
| 15:24.11 | wols | resistance: what does it do? and where exactly does it listen? |
| 15:24.41 | benj90 | I have an USB disk which is automatically mounted (on /media/usbdisk) The files on this disk can be read but I can't write on it. Do you have an idea, please... ? |
| 15:24.56 | benj90 | I'm under debian etch |
| 15:24.56 | azeem | which file system? |
| 15:25.07 | benj90 | the USB disk is NTFS |
| 15:25.37 | resistance | wols: its listening on port 80 and when i type the ip of the server into my browser it just sits there and eventually times out |
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| 15:25.44 | wols | !tell benj90 about ntfs-3g |
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| 15:25.56 | azeem | resistance: can you ping the server with that ip? |
| 15:25.58 | wols | resistance: on what interface(s) does it listen? |
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| 15:26.06 | wols | and: what firewall? |
| 15:26.23 | azeem | resistance: does it work if you try with wget or lynx from the server itself? |
| 15:26.28 | resistance | i can ping the server, i only have one ethernet card eth0, i assume it's listening on that |
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| 15:26.59 | resistance | azeem wget works from the server itself |
| 15:27.16 | wols | resistance: don't assume. check |
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| 15:27.19 | azeem | resistance: is this on your local lan? |
| 15:27.36 | resistance | azeem, yes, i also tried wget from another machine, it also works |
| 15:27.45 | resistance | wols: how do i check |
| 15:28.02 | azeem | resistance: eh, then it's maybe an issue with your browser? |
| 15:28.07 | resistance | azeem, soory no it didn't work from the other machine |
| 15:28.07 | azeem | if it work from another machine |
| 15:28.15 | benj90 | wols: what did you say about NTFS-3G ? |
| 15:28.15 | chupie | i am trying to get debin to work on a imac i have, but Xorg freezes when it first starts and the only errors i can see are, INVALID IO ALLOCATION, R128(0): No DFP Detected, and R128(0): R128CCEWaitForIdle: (DEBUG) CCE idle took i = 1025 R128(0): Idle timed out, resetting engine.... |
| 15:28.18 | wols | netstat -anp|grep 80 |
| 15:28.20 | resistance | its still waiting |
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| 15:29.01 | simonrvn | chupie: ask in #xorg maybe; btw, x is not all of debian ;P |
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| 15:30.33 | resistance | wols: http://pastebin.ca/668052 |
| 15:31.12 | resistance | azeem, it's saying: connected waiting for response |
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| 15:32.10 | _Aubade_ | hi. Anybody help me? I make a new kernel (2.6) and after the make modules_install command I couldn't find th bzImage file in the i368/bott dir |
| 15:32.16 | azeem | resistance: is 192.168.0.14 the box you're testing the connection from? |
| 15:32.34 | _Aubade_ | i386/boot of koz |
| 15:32.45 | resistance | azeem: yes |
| 15:33.13 | resistance | azeem: no, thats the server |
| 15:33.19 | resistance | i was testing from 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:34.04 | _Aubade_ | sbody help pls |
| 15:34.06 | azeem | ok |
| 15:34.50 | azeem | resistance: what does iptables -L say on both machines? Do you have a router/firewall in between? |
| 15:35.03 | azeem | resistance: does e.g. ssh work, if you have sshd on the server? |
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| 15:35.54 | resistance | azeem: i thnk it's gotta be a routing problem, but i can't find where the problem is, i have a debian gateway 192.168.0.1 maybe it creating a problem. I also have an apache server on that machine. I am using the 192.168.0.1 as a router. Iptables on the 192.168.0.14 say accept everything, and i have a ipmasq with a few custom rules running on the other one |
| 15:36.03 | resistance | azeem: ssh works fine |
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| 15:36.37 | azeem | resistance: did you check apache2 logs? |
| 15:36.53 | Thunderman | I tried to change sources list (/etc/apt/sources.list) but it was write protected, how could I install nVidia legacy drivers? |
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| 15:37.02 | resistance | azeem: yes nothing shows up unless i use telnet 192.168.0.14:80 |
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| 15:37.21 | taime1 | how do i set the resolution that gdm uses? |
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| 15:37.59 | azeem | resistance: hrm, no idea |
| 15:38.12 | azeem | resistance: so those ESTABLISHED lines in your pastebin are likely from telnet? |
| 15:38.43 | resistance | no i tried to connect to the server with machine 192.168.0.30 earlier and they are still there. |
| 15:39.01 | resistance | i guess it's trying to go through the gateway |
| 15:39.03 | techbie | Thunderman: you should be root to change the sources.list |
| 15:39.16 | resistance | maybe thats the problem |
| 15:39.31 | Thunderman | But how could i be root :/ |
| 15:39.36 | azeem | resistance: but you try wget 192.168.0.14? |
| 15:39.39 | resistance | when i try to connect this any machine, this comes up, but source 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:39.41 | azeem | or some external IP address |
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| 15:39.54 | anomaly | I need a few windows users at the office to be able to map a network drive over the internet. I want to use debian as the server on the other side of town. is samba the route to go for this? |
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| 15:39.55 | resistance | u mean from the serveer |
| 15:40.06 | azeem | I thought .14 was your web server |
| 15:40.39 | resistance | yes it is, when i wget from that machine, it works fine, but from only that machine the other machines on the network don't |
| 15:41.02 | azeem | but you still wget 192.168.0.14 to try to connect to it from the other machines? |
| 15:41.18 | resistance | yes |
| 15:41.22 | techbie | Thunderman: are you using ubuntu |
| 15:41.49 | Thunderman | techbie: I'm using Debian |
| 15:42.20 | azeem | Thunderman: use sudo |
| 15:42.43 | Thunderman | How |
| 15:42.54 | azeem | sudo editor <file> |
| 15:43.43 | taime1 | how do i set the resolution that gdm uses? |
| 15:43.48 | jelly | anomaly: over the internet? samba yes, but only through some sort of vpn solution (or some other kind of secure tunnel) |
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| 15:45.08 | jelly | I have a weird issue with bridging + user-accessible tun device. On a 2.6.22.1 kernel, I do: brctl addbr br0; brctl addif br0 eth0; tunctl -u jelly -t vbox0; brctl addif br0 vbox0; then configure the ip on br0, put eth0 into promisc mode and use the tun device from a VirtualBox guest. |
| 15:45.08 | jelly | however, if I tcpdump br0 and vbox0, I see all traffic on br0, but only outgoing on the tun device. ie: i see arp requests and replies on br0, but only arp requests on vbox0 device. |
| 15:45.26 | Thunderman | "sudo mousepad <sources.list>"? |
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| 15:46.46 | anomaly | jelly was thinking ssh, but I am not versed enough with that and vpns not at all. |
| 15:47.13 | hark | ha someone who uses mousepad :) |
| 15:47.51 | anomaly | testparm and the logs show nmbd and smbd working fine, and I am ssh'd into the server machine from a windows box. yet trying to map the drive with \\ip\share is not connecting |
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| 15:47.55 | jelly | anomaly: tunneling smb thru ssh is possible too, but I don't know if windows can use samba on non-default port |
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| 15:48.53 | anomaly | jelly irritatingly I have seen a few forum posts of people doing it, but they fail to tell how they did it lol |
| 15:49.01 | jelly | anomaly: I've set up pptp tunnel with pptpd on the Linux side, it mostly works. :-) if you need a persistent connection, maybe openvpn is better solution |
| 15:49.18 | Thunderman | Still i can't save the file :( |
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| 15:49.52 | anomaly | jelly if it was just file sharing, sftp would be fine, but they need a persistent connection through commandline only so they can all run an old dos accounting software program |
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| 15:50.25 | anomaly | I had thought just ssh in, dos emulate and be fine.. but they also need to be able to locally print the remote programs reports |
| 15:50.33 | resistance | azeem: http://pastebin.ca/668067 could the problem be here? |
| 15:50.51 | anomaly | was lost from there, then. lol |
| 15:51.38 | azeem | resistance: possibly, I'm not iptables expert |
| 15:51.48 | azeem | resistance: is this the router/gateway? |
| 15:51.52 | resistance | yes |
| 15:52.08 | azeem | I would say that is very likely it |
| 15:52.34 | azeem | where "it" is "any iptables stuff", no idea which rule exactly is making trouble here or what to do, sorry |
| 15:52.40 | resistance | can someone look at it thats an iptables expert and tell me if there is something there that would keep my local apache2 server from working |
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| 15:52.47 | resistance | thanks anyway |
| 15:52.52 | jelly | anomaly: have you verified that your dos app works at all when using a samba share? |
| 15:53.03 | azeem | resistance: the question is why the tcp packets go via the router for the local network though |
| 15:53.08 | wfq | if something is enconded in utf8 and I have just editor to read iso, can't I read it? |
| 15:53.08 | azeem | but maybe that's expected |
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| 15:53.44 | resistance | excellent question |
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| 15:54.12 | anomaly | jelly I haven't gotten samba working yet as I say. I was hoping samba would be easier so they could just map it like a local drive and run the executable. but as I say, its all set seems to me on the server side, but the windows box refuses to connect over the internet. |
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| 15:54.47 | anomaly | jelly I could make it work through emulation and ssh, but as far as getting the local machines to print the remote files.. that is another matter |
| 15:54.55 | abrotman | anomaly: VPN ? |
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| 15:55.21 | anomaly | abrotman its a commandline only box, most of the vpn software I have found wants to install X |
| 15:55.33 | beardy | orly? |
| 15:55.34 | wfq | resistance, I mean if I should get the whole text in utf8 but not readable or simply it could appear anything |
| 15:55.40 | beardy | OpenVPN. |
| 15:55.41 | jelly | anomaly: common cheapo routers forbid samba over the internet these days (they have good reasons to) |
| 15:55.43 | wfq | I know I can't |
| 15:55.58 | wfq | I would like to know if the file are wrong, that is all |
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| 15:56.17 | resistance | wfq: what do u mean |
| 15:56.33 | anomaly | jelly matters not the solution at this point :) they want it yesterday lol. "ability to run our dos program over the internet" |
| 15:56.54 | anomaly | ssh, vpn, bailing wire and tin cups.. |
| 15:56.58 | anomaly | heh |
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| 15:57.22 | jelly | anomaly: Off the top of my head, I know no DOS emulator that supports printers :-) |
| 15:57.33 | wfq | is there something in debian to pass from utf8 to iso? |
| 15:57.48 | beardy | jelly: Huh? |
| 15:58.03 | anomaly | jelly the only other solution I came up with was having them use putty and capture the buffer and paste it into word |
| 15:58.07 | anomaly | and print locally. |
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| 15:58.33 | sparrw | kpowersave says my monitor does not support brightness changing. i can write directly to /proc/acpi/video/GFX0/LCD/brightness to change it, is there any way to make that GUI-friendly? |
| 15:58.47 | jelly | anomaly: er, bringing the printer to the linux box can be done with tunnelling, that's not a big problem |
| 15:58.49 | beardy | jelly: AFAIK dosemu and dosbox can pass data to the host's devices. |
| 15:59.09 | abrotman | wfq: iconv |
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| 15:59.39 | logd | hi what "open payable" mean ? |
| 15:59.46 | anomaly | beardy would be nice. as I say, the debian server will not have a local printer. but both locations have their own locals of course. |
| 15:59.53 | beardy | Question of the day to logd. |
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| 15:59.59 | wfq | well, if you receive a email witha file in utf8 and you do not open it just download it and pass it to another server with utf8 as locale |
| 16:00.09 | jelly | beardy: I see no mention of printer, parallel, lpt or usb in dosbox :-| |
| 16:00.09 | wfq | Shoud you see the text correct? |
| 16:00.14 | wfq | correctly? |
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| 16:00.44 | beardy | jelly: Use dosemu then. Dosbox is meant for games. |
| 16:01.35 | beardy | jelly: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=4281 |
| 16:01.53 | romano2k | hi! is there a specific way to delete old logs in /var/log? |
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| 16:02.40 | jelly | anomaly, beardy: ah. so if dosemu supports cups as printer, you might be able to do something |
| 16:02.43 | DexterF | hi |
| 16:02.59 | DexterF | how do I make a script emit beeps? |
| 16:03.07 | jelly | beardy: I haven't used dosemu this century yet :-) |
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| 16:04.07 | SchemerNate | Is there a testing net install image avlabale? |
| 16:04.15 | ShakaGoldSaint | does anyone know how I could implement this http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html but with dynamic ips from the two isps? ? |
| 16:04.16 | anomaly | jelly yes, but then setting up the remote printers in their differences to be talked to by the remote server :) |
| 16:04.29 | beardy | DexterF: Install and use 'beep'. man beep |
| 16:04.44 | jelly | anomaly: well, it's an interesting exercise |
| 16:04.56 | DexterF | beardy: too obvious :) thanks |
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| 16:05.06 | beardy | DexterF: :) You're welcome. |
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| 16:05.39 | anomaly | jelly not when they want it yesterday :) |
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| 16:06.22 | jelly | anomaly: I hope you're charging them consultant range fees. |
| 16:06.34 | avar | I've installed a bunch of systems from netinstall cds but I tried installing on a laptop that needs a non-free driver (atheros) to access the network so I went with ubuntu which is now annoying me. How should I install a debian (stable) system that needs a non-free wireless driver? |
| 16:07.04 | avar | Get the full sets of install disks and then burn the driver in non-free to a CD on another box and install it like that? |
| 16:07.09 | anomaly | jelly gas/expenses and labor. no worries there. just having to kick my brain into a higher gear perhaps :) |
| 16:07.36 | beardy | jelly: I hoep you hav already found this yourself, anyway, http://marc.info/?l=linux-msdos&m=106095108414756&w=2 |
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| 16:09.53 | jelly | beardy: I haven't, but that seemed reasonable... I think dosemu had support for lpr back then |
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| 16:10.24 | z3r0ph3wl | then i write on my linux firewall rc.interfaces eth0 up i get no such device. or then with rc.inet cannot find device eth0 als same with eth1 |
| 16:10.31 | anomaly | beardy yet its printing locally that concerns me. :) I can share a printer easily enough on a lan. but this wan printing with no server printer is the thing :) |
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| 16:11.29 | Thunderman | I still don't know how to install drivers. i wrote "sudo mousepad <sources.list>" but it didn't help |
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| 16:11.40 | jelly | anomaly: tunnel smb or socket://...:9100 to the linux machine, then set up a cups printer, shouldn't be too hard then |
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| 16:13.55 | stoorm | hi all :D |
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| 16:14.45 | wfq | if I set up my system in utf8, my editors installed on it could open a utf8 file? |
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| 16:15.23 | DRoBeR | Hello |
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| 16:16.49 | anomaly | jelly beardy thanks for the help though :) |
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| 16:17.22 | onats | can anyone suggest a softphone for debian which readily works with asterisk? |
| 16:17.42 | ricky | onats: Ekiga, Twinkle, or Linphone work well for me. |
| 16:18.04 | onats | i see... let me try that |
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| 16:18.13 | ricky | ^Gnome, KED, and ??? |
| 16:18.18 | ricky | s/KED/KDE |
| 16:18.23 | slapfaceware | kde |
| 16:18.36 | slapfaceware | kde gogogo |
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| 16:29.27 | vlt | Hello. I want to replace iptables's "-j MASQUERADE" with "-j SNAT --to-source <my ip addr>". Is this enough or do I need an additional rule for the answer packages to find their way to the NAT client? |
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| 16:39.27 | z3r0ph3wl | how to recompile kernel? |
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| 16:39.57 | azeem | z3r0ph3wl: why do you need to? It shouldn't be necessary |
| 16:40.40 | z3r0ph3wl | azeem cuz i enabled my network cards modules |
| 16:40.50 | azeem | enabled how? |
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| 16:42.57 | z3r0ph3wl | azeem in kernel.config.xxxxx i uncomented CONFIG_8139CP and 8139TOO |
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| 16:43.28 | z3r0ph3wl | so how i should load them? |
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| 16:44.44 | azeem | z3r0ph3wl: are you saying you got a realtek 8139 and it's not working out of the box? |
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| 16:45.02 | z3r0ph3wl | azeem yes cuz it swedish small linux firewall distro |
| 16:45.20 | azeem | z3r0ph3wl: then ask them, not us |
| 16:45.25 | z3r0ph3wl | haha |
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| 16:45.28 | azeem | no idea how kernel compiles work for them |
| 16:45.31 | sid | What is a good gratis e-mail service that supports IMAP? |
| 16:45.38 | z3r0ph3wl | i would if it would be easy |
| 16:45.49 | onats | hello, what's the command to open up port 5060? |
| 16:46.06 | azeem | onats: Debian doesn't do firewalling by default |
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| 16:48.08 | kenji | guys my mysql Is death, can you help me? http://rafb.net/p/xtHDsw85.html |
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| 16:49.45 | mbroeker | kenji, have you updated system libraries theese days? if so, rebuild your local mysql installation... |
| 16:49.58 | grib | anybody know what broke my Gnome login this morning? All of a sudden gdm can't find my session (unstable) |
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| 16:50.08 | juso | So I have a debian server, it boots up on the monitor and doesn't give me a login prompt, but sshd starts, last line is init: no processes left in run level. Anyone have an idea on this? |
| 16:50.10 | sid | !tell grib about unstable |
| 16:50.19 | sid | !tell grib about bts |
| 16:50.31 | kenji | mbroeker: I updated mysystem yes, but whats going to happen to the databases? and the users? |
| 16:50.50 | mbroeker | kenji, normally nothing. |
| 16:50.59 | kenji | mbroeker can I just move the databases directory and paste it in the new mysql instalation? |
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| 16:51.35 | kenji | mbroeker? |
| 16:51.43 | mbroeker | kenji, migration is: export the data from the working mysql installation a and import it into the next installation |
| 16:51.56 | mbroeker | migration is mostly not to copy something from a to b |
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| 16:52.10 | kenji | mbroeker my mysql is not working so I can't eport the data |
| 16:52.14 | juso | So I have a debian server, it boots up on the monitor and doesn't give me a login prompt, but sshd starts, last line is init: no processes left in run level. Anyone have an idea on this? |
| 16:52.21 | grib | sid: thanks for your help! I am familiar with the bug tracker and the flaws of unstable |
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| 16:52.29 | mbroeker | kenji, thats why i told you: rebuild your local mysql client |
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| 16:52.33 | mbroeker | kenji, thats why i told you: rebuild your local mysql client and server |
| 16:52.45 | kenji | mbroeker thats why Im asking |
| 16:52.57 | kenji | if I rebuild it what happend to the data? |
| 16:53.25 | kenji | my mysql is running on debian but its not from a debian package, its my own compilation |
| 16:53.33 | mbroeker | kenji, try the following: ldd /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld-safe |
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| 16:54.20 | mbroeker | the output should not contain lines like libssl.so ( not found ) |
| 16:54.26 | kenji | root@duritz:~# ldd /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe |
| 16:54.26 | kenji | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.51 | mbroeker | kenji, ah yes. where do you get this build from ? |
| 16:55.08 | kenji | mbroeker: mysql.com |
| 16:55.11 | mbroeker | or is that a script? |
| 16:55.21 | kenji | mbroeker its a script |
| 16:55.36 | mbroeker | ok then check the target binary |
| 16:55.40 | mbroeker | with ldd |
| 16:55.49 | kenji | mbroeker I wanna do apt-get install mysql-server but how can I send my db to the new mysql server? |
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| 16:56.23 | mbroeker | i dont think that you can copy the files from a to b |
| 16:56.46 | mbroeker | the keys, indices, userdata and so on will be lost |
| 16:56.48 | xingu | juso: sounds like /etc/inittab or something run by it is garbage. |
| 16:56.51 | kenji | mbroeker: in my mysql the databases are storaged in /usr/local/mysql/var ... can I move this directory to mysql of debian dabases storage directory and its going to work? |
| 16:57.22 | kenji | ok broeker, how can I start my mysql server? xD |
| 16:57.28 | kenji | mbroeker* |
| 16:57.29 | mbroeker | kenji, try that. but make a complete backup of /usr/local/mysql |
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| 16:57.57 | kenji | mbroeker: where are the mysql of debian databases? |
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| 16:58.10 | drwahl | are gigabit NICs going to transerfer at gigbit speeds with a default install on Lenny? |
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| 16:58.34 | mbroeker | i use postgresql, but apt-get install mysql should do the job... keith4 |
| 16:58.40 | mbroeker | i use postgresql, but apt-get install mysql should do the job... kenji ! |
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| 16:58.53 | kenji | mbroeker: what job? |
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| 16:59.03 | xingu | juso: "no processes left in run level" - google turns up "check /etc/init.d/rc: # debug=echo" for you. |
| 16:59.05 | mbroeker | kenji, to install mysql? |
| 16:59.08 | xingu | juso: ... should be commented. |
| 16:59.20 | kenji | mbroker Im not asking for that |
| 16:59.37 | kenji | mbroeker: where are the databases If I use the debian package? |
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| 16:59.42 | mbroeker | kenji, you are talking to aggressive. ask another one |
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| 17:00.02 | xingu | drwahl: entirely depends on what hardware is under the bonnet |
| 17:00.12 | kenji | mbroeker Im not talking aggressive, its the only way I know because I don't speak english |
| 17:00.23 | azeem | kenji: why don't you use the Debian mysql package? |
| 17:00.31 | drwahl | xingu: its a realtek pci NIC, linksys or dlink, i forget... |
| 17:00.58 | kenji | azeem: I wanna do that, but all my mysql databases are in the other mysql-server and it don't start :( |
| 17:00.59 | xingu | drwahl: an e1000 on a ~modern cpu should be fine |
| 17:01.14 | azeem | kenji: wait, can you dump/restore them |
| 17:01.32 | kenji | azeem, is there a tool for that? |
| 17:01.34 | xingu | drwahl: you'll need to be a little more specific; lspci | grep -i net |
| 17:01.43 | azeem | kenji: I don't know, but I assume so |
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| 17:01.47 | kenji | xD |
| 17:01.53 | azeem | mysql is supposed to be enterprise-ready |
| 17:02.05 | kenji | zeem do you know where are the mysql logs? |
| 17:02.14 | azeem | no |
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| 17:03.02 | drwahl | xingu: 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) |
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| 17:04.47 | xingu | drwahl: if you're using jumbo frames and "ethtool -i ethX | grep version" says "...-NAPI", probably. |
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| 17:05.17 | qebab | Hi. A bootable image would be the same as a LiveCD? |
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| 17:06.05 | Ronin | qebab: no |
| 17:06.13 | qebab | Okay |
| 17:06.24 | qebab | Would there be something similar to a LiveCD for Debian then? |
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| 17:06.42 | Ronin | !livecd |
| 17:06.42 | dpkg | i guess livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 17:07.01 | qebab | ah, okay, so nothing yet? |
| 17:07.06 | qebab | thanks for the help anyway :) |
| 17:07.12 | Ronin | did you look at teh debian-live url" |
| 17:07.13 | Ronin | ? |
| 17:07.27 | qebab | no, but the bot says 'may one day' |
| 17:07.31 | qebab | I'll read through it though |
| 17:07.43 | Ronin | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 17:07.50 | drwahl | xingu: ok, ethtool does say NAPI, but i'm not sure what you mean by "Jumbo frames" are you talking about mtu size? |
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| 17:08.38 | xingu | drwahl: most pc hardware will catch on fire at the kinds of packet rates 1500byte sized ether frames will generate @ 1Gbps |
| 17:09.10 | xingu | drwahl: solution - don't; use at least 4k frames. |
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| 17:09.39 | nuxis | does the ati driver give 3D, I mean to play descent games I have an ATI Radeon MOBILITY 7500... |
| 17:10.10 | drwahl | xingu: i'm still not sure what you mean by frames. i assume you are talking about MTU size. |
| 17:10.15 | qebab | I'm formatting one of these days and want to try another linux, are there any downsides I should know about debian? |
| 17:10.28 | ice_cream | lo; is debian base really better than ubuntu base these days? they both still have a mutual bleeding-edge problem, right? |
| 17:11.09 | jae | Attempting a pvmove I get "VG vg0 metadata too large for circular buffer"... what gives? |
| 17:11.13 | nuxis | someone..? |
| 17:11.41 | drwahl | nuxis: you are going to have to install the drive ATI provieds to get some 3D exceleration |
| 17:11.48 | azeem | !fglrx |
| 17:11.49 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 17:11.53 | jae | I've just vgconverted to lvm2, so maybe... I'm trying rebooting, maybe that helps |
| 17:11.55 | azeem | nuxis: ^^ that one |
| 17:12.12 | nuxis | azeem: ok tnx |
| 17:12.30 | xingu | drwahl: yes, frame length; mtu is the NIC's view of this in the Tx direction. |
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| 17:12.50 | hark | does fglrx even support that card? |
| 17:13.14 | nuxis | azeem: so just run that script? |
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| 17:13.29 | jerbear | if i'm trying to clean out /usr/local... are there any directories that i need to leave intact, or can i just wipe everything out? |
| 17:13.30 | drwahl | xingu: ok, thanks for the info. i will now have to decide if it is worth changing the mtu size on my network, because not everything is gigabit :( |
| 17:13.33 | azeem | nuxis: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 17:13.53 | azeem | hark: you think it doesn't? |
| 17:13.59 | nuxis | kk soz :) |
| 17:14.10 | azeem | nuxis: did you try the radeon driver first, maybe? |
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| 17:14.34 | azeem | nuxis: in any case that chip is quite old, so doesn't have much 3D performance I guess |
| 17:14.54 | xingu | drwahl: non gigabit interfaces won't support larger MTU's - suggest you create a vlan for your gigE, use jumbo frames on it, and route to/ from that segment |
| 17:15.38 | drwahl | xingu: ya, i think i might create vlans, and stick a 2nd 100mb NIC in there |
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| 17:15.57 | hark | azeem: yeah, it's not supported afaik |
| 17:16.05 | xingu | drwahl: nb if you want to see if packet rates are the problem, keep an eye on hi/si in a recent "top" under load. |
| 17:16.13 | azeem | ok |
| 17:16.28 | hark | but the radeon driver does :) |
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| 17:16.41 | headmonkey | hey all ... i have this fedora box that smells like old feet ... and im wanting to install debian instead ... someone just said if i get the net install cd, it creates a minimal i386 working box, and i can apt-get whatever other packages i want |
| 17:17.20 | raboof | my thunderbird (from lenny) yields an XML parsing error on chrome://messenger/content/FilterEditor.xul |
| 17:17.20 | headmonkey | id prefer everything be compiled for an athlon 64 in 32 bit mode, but i dont see that as an option, and im not really wanting to deal with gentoo compiling everything ... any recommendations ? |
| 17:17.43 | raboof | can't find anything about that in the existing bug reports, but I'd like to dig in a bit deeper myself first. Any idea where that file comes from? |
| 17:17.56 | raboof | (I guess it's in a zip somewhere, as I can't find it on the filesystem directly) |
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| 17:18.27 | hark | headmonkey: get the i386 installer then |
| 17:18.39 | headmonkey | hark, so get the i386 net installer ? |
| 17:18.46 | m4rz | hi to wall why i get this : |
| 17:18.47 | m4rz | printk: 571 messages suppressed. |
| 17:18.47 | m4rz | nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 17:19.11 | xingu | drwahl: your pc will "burst into flames" when the frame rate exceeds the max hw interrupt rate your box can cope with (NAPI mitigates this by letting the NIC's Rx ring fill and generating one interrupt for the whole ring - but you can still kill typical PC designs with mixes weighted to the short end) - or - when you box is spending so much time servicing the NAPI poll that the HW ring buffer overflows (again, bias to the short end in the mix w |
| 17:19.11 | xingu | ill readily achieve this) |
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| 17:22.02 | abrotman | PIGGY! |
| 17:22.45 | xingu | drwahl: design on the NIC typically varies in terms of MAC filtering, buffer depth, jumbo frame capability, checksum offload; r8169 appears to hat 64 tx descriptors/ 256 rx descriptors; e1000's have 256 of both except the 82544 - which has 4096. |
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| 17:23.44 | nuxis | azeem: I get a-i fglrx an error wit this = FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 17:24.36 | hark | nuxis: use the radeon driver instead |
| 17:24.52 | nuxis | I wanna play descent games .. |
| 17:25.02 | mbroeker | nuxis, su - ? |
| 17:25.10 | nuxis | I was root |
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| 17:25.36 | xingu | drwahl: from the looks of things r8169 is feature-complete re: tx/rx csum, scatter-gather, and transparent segment(entation and reassembly) offload. |
| 17:25.49 | keith4 | mbroeker: i like being included, thanks |
| 17:25.54 | hark | nuxis: you don't really have much of a choice.. |
| 17:26.06 | xingu | drwahl: no clue if its MAC filters are worth a damn; I don't do multicast on linux. |
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| 17:26.45 | nuxis | :( ok hark |
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| 17:27.21 | hark | nuxis: the radeon driver supports 3d. what game are you trying to play? |
| 17:27.34 | mbroeker | keith4, what do you mean? i cant get it right now :) |
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| 17:28.26 | keith4 | mbroeker: you directed something at me earlier by accident |
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| 17:28.30 | keith4 | i was saying i love that game |
| 17:28.40 | keith4 | i get all excited. "someone's talking at me on #debian!" |
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| 17:29.02 | mbroeker | ah, yes sorry for that. it was my failure. i tabbed wrong. ssoorryy for that |
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| 17:29.42 | mbroeker | keith4, ah, you want to be involved, right? |
| 17:29.43 | mvanbaak | heya all |
| 17:29.50 | keith4 | :-) |
| 17:30.00 | mvanbaak | I have virtualbox installed, and now my aptitude dist-upgrade borked everything |
| 17:30.02 | keith4 | yay |
| 17:30.06 | abrotman | keith4: you should know better than that ;) |
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| 17:30.10 | mvanbaak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.17 | mvanbaak | how can I resolve this ? |
| 17:30.18 | abrotman | !tell mvanbaak about overwrite |
| 17:31.00 | mvanbaak | thank you |
| 17:31.06 | mvanbaak | it's a bug in the virtualbox package |
| 17:31.18 | xingu | who wants to tell me how to work out whether a given pci peripheral is attached to a 64bit-wide slot? |
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| 17:31.55 | JordiGH | Before I plunge more into this, can anyone tell me that I really shouldn't use NIS and NFS for a smallish local network of no more than 20 machines? |
| 17:32.15 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 17:32.23 | abrotman | !tell DRoBeR about away |
| 17:32.47 | jetscreamer | you just opened up a new world for me |
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| 17:32.52 | JordiGH | It seems almost every other doc I read about NIS and NFS says, "don't use it". :-/ |
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| 17:33.26 | DRoBeR | Thanks, abrotman... :P |
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| 17:36.25 | hopecon | If there is no kbuild package for a given kernel available, how can I use m-a to install source packages? Or how can I create linux-kbuild-<exper.kern.>? |
| 17:36.30 | kenji | guys where are the mysql server datadir on debian? |
| 17:36.59 | abrotman | /var/lib/mysql/ usually |
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| 17:37.29 | jetscreamer | sounds easier just to use the nvidia.run hopecon |
| 17:37.45 | hopecon | jetscreamer, then I've got a bunch of nonstandard file locations. :( |
| 17:37.54 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 17:38.04 | azeem | what is nvidia.rum? |
| 17:38.06 | azeem | run* |
| 17:38.13 | hopecon | You mean using the nvidia installer from nvidia.com? |
| 17:38.15 | hopecon | Right? |
| 17:38.16 | jetscreamer | nvidia-installer |
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| 17:39.09 | jetscreamer | .20 and .21 are not nvidia friendly if that helps |
| 17:39.23 | hopecon | In short; I want to try 2.6.23-rc3, but linux-headers-2.6.23-rc3 isn't installable because there is no linux-kbuild-2.6.23. |
| 17:39.42 | hopecon | And it affects my wireless NIC (my only NIC in this box), so just using the nvidia installer doens't really solve it :) |
| 17:39.47 | jetscreamer | use the nvidia-installer or figure out how to build one i guess |
| 17:39.49 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 17:39.56 | jetscreamer | nic different story |
| 17:40.04 | jetscreamer | i only know the video one |
| 17:40.07 | danielm | hi all |
| 17:40.17 | hopecon | Maybe there's a prebuilt rt2500 driver by now? |
| 17:40.27 | azeem | jetscreamer: please don't advertise the nvidia.com installer |
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| 17:40.30 | jetscreamer | sounds familiar |
| 17:40.38 | jetscreamer | !rt2500 |
| 17:40.59 | jetscreamer | azeem: suggest an alternative? |
| 17:41.06 | hopecon | module-assistant |
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| 17:41.22 | hopecon | (Which only works if you have a valid linux-headers-* package) ;) |
| 17:41.33 | azeem | jetscreamer: nvidia one-liner? |
| 17:41.34 | Phil4 | guys, is it possible to enable password auth in sftp-server? |
| 17:41.36 | jetscreamer | and when m-a doesn't work.... |
| 17:41.48 | jetscreamer | and when m-a doesn't work.... |
| 17:42.05 | azeem | then don't bother at all |
| 17:42.10 | jetscreamer | i shoulod suggest.... |
| 17:42.12 | azeem | it's better than the nvidia.com installer |
| 17:42.12 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:42.16 | jetscreamer | fail |
| 17:42.19 | jetscreamer | bad plan |
| 17:42.23 | abrotman | !tell jetscreamer about enter |
| 17:42.46 | hopecon | I *do* prefer the m-a one-liner. |
| 17:42.50 | sid | How can I remove all spaces and commas in 30 file names, and replace them with underscores? |
| 17:42.56 | ice_cream | could i read a few honest opinions about debian server v. gentoo server? |
| 17:42.57 | hopecon | Just wish there was a way to make my own kbuild :\ |
| 17:42.59 | abrotman | sid: i told you yesterday .. man rename |
| 17:42.59 | azeem | hopecon: why do you need 2.6.23 anyway? |
| 17:43.01 | jetscreamer | perl, rename |
| 17:43.11 | hopecon | azeem, it's not an issue of "need". I just want to try out CFS. |
| 17:43.15 | jetscreamer | hopecon: there must be a way |
| 17:43.30 | azeem | hopecon: so try it out without wireless *shrug* |
| 17:43.37 | ice_cream | 1. i guess to start, setup time; Deb:1 Gen: 0 |
| 17:43.45 | hopecon | It would be w/o wireless and w/o nvidia drivers. |
| 17:43.55 | azeem | but with CFS! |
| 17:43.57 | hopecon | And I want try it to see how well it performs in modern games, so... |
| 17:43.59 | hopecon | That's no point :) |
| 17:44.08 | azeem | WTF is CFS anyway? |
| 17:44.09 | hopecon | s/That/There |
| 17:44.15 | hopecon | Completely Fair Scheduler |
| 17:44.20 | azeem | uh |
| 17:44.30 | danielm | why libapache-mod-ruby is not in testing? :S |
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| 17:44.44 | azeem | hopecon: well sorry, I fail to see why you need to try that today. Just wait till kbuild is there |
| 17:44.57 | jetscreamer | great plan |
| 17:45.06 | hopecon | It's not an issue of "need". |
| 17:45.19 | azeem | it's better than to mess up your system with the nvidia installer |
| 17:45.24 | hopecon | I agree. |
| 17:45.32 | hopecon | Which is why I asked how to make my own kbuild package :) |
| 17:45.39 | jetscreamer | now show me where it messes up your system and i will agree |
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| 17:45.48 | jetscreamer | i do not believe you can |
| 17:45.51 | azeem | hopecon: also, there's experimtal, auto-built linux-image snapshots somewhere, maybe they include the kbuild |
| 17:45.58 | jetscreamer | tainted doesn't count |
| 17:46.05 | hopecon | They do not. |
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| 17:46.15 | hopecon | You can install the image just fine. |
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| 17:46.28 | hopecon | It's when you install the headers that it fails. And the headers are required by m-a. |
| 17:46.52 | jetscreamer | build your own kernel? |
| 17:47.23 | jetscreamer | speaking of... more ppl break their kernel building it than... |
| 17:47.30 | abrotman | send him to ask the kernel people! |
| 17:47.38 | hopecon | I'm pretty sure that will break even more things. |
| 17:47.49 | hopecon | I'm trying to do this as Debian-Way and unobtrusively as possible. |
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| 17:47.59 | jetscreamer | the debian way is to wait |
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| 17:48.09 | jetscreamer | i didn't mean that in a bad way |
| 17:48.15 | hopecon | Yeah, I know. |
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| 17:48.34 | hopecon | Should be relatively soon, anyway. |
| 17:48.48 | jetscreamer | i waited for a kbuild one |
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| 17:48.50 | jetscreamer | once |
| 17:48.51 | freetos | i've got a netgear router that wants to put in 192.xxx.xxx.xx address in the port forwarding setup, how can i tell what number to assign it to it, i'm trying to open up my web, ftp, and mail and have it route to my pc |
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| 17:48.55 | jetscreamer | i got sick of waiting |
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| 17:49.17 | jetscreamer | that was .21/sid iirc |
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| 17:49.39 | hopecon | Well, sid's at .22 |
| 17:49.40 | petemc | freetos: /sbin/ifconfig should tell you your machines ip |
| 17:49.45 | hopecon | So it won't be long, I'm sure. |
| 17:49.45 | jetscreamer | yes i know |
| 17:49.48 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 17:49.51 | wfq | with a english keyboard should I cover all german character? |
| 17:49.59 | jetscreamer | that i don't know.. could be quick |
| 17:50.14 | xingu | jetscreamer: there's been plenty of people break their debianised systems with the nvidia installer, both here and in the nvnews forums. |
| 17:50.20 | sid | What is a simple CLI program to compress images? |
| 17:50.20 | ice_cream | what is .21 / .22 ..? |
| 17:50.23 | sid | lots of them at once |
| 17:50.24 | jetscreamer | xingu: they did it wrong |
| 17:50.36 | jetscreamer | ice_cream: kernel versions... 2.6.21 et al |
| 17:50.56 | ice_cream | jetscreamer, oh, for a second i thought you were counting silly questions asked |
| 17:51.02 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 17:51.09 | abrotman | sid: imagemagick |
| 17:51.10 | xingu | jetscreamer: there's several problems; no dep checking on installation (blind overwrite with no backup); no uninstall; the nvidia installer goes a bit wild when targets it's writing to are symlinks; there's more, but they elide me. |
| 17:51.11 | wfq | what is the locale for kanji characters please? |
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| 17:51.30 | xingu | jetscreamer: it's simpler to just use the experimental (kernel|nvidia) packages if required. |
| 17:51.43 | jetscreamer | xingu: ... i see that... :p |
| 17:51.52 | jetscreamer | xingu: j/k |
| 17:52.26 | jetscreamer | japanese |
| 17:52.37 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kanji |
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| 17:54.11 | freetos | petemc, that's what i thought, the number is now changed to a 192.xxx number, the same number as my portforwarding setup |
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| 17:55.45 | sid | abrotman: How can I make sure all images are smaller than 30kb? |
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| 17:56.05 | abrotman | sid: scale them or resize them .. i dont' think there's a magic option for image size |
| 17:56.13 | nuxis | I installed acx100 and put the right firmwire in /lib/firmwire but now I can't see my card and I did it before any idea? |
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| 17:57.13 | sid | For whatever reason, these really simple images are like 2.5 megs each, but it's just a white background with a black circle |
| 17:57.16 | sid | heh |
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| 17:57.26 | sid | And they're in odt files, so I need to unzip, compress images, then rezip |
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| 17:58.34 | abrotman | what's the resolution on the images ? |
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| 17:59.08 | jetscreamer | there is a mass resizer tool, but i think it's just for png of jpg i forget |
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| 17:59.15 | jetscreamer | s/of/or/ |
| 17:59.46 | setre | how would I mark a package (foo) as having been manually installed, using aptitude from the command line? |
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| 18:00.30 | kdub432 | if i'm making a deb package, how do i get it to automatically go out and fetch the dependancies it needs? |
| 18:00.35 | khaleel5000 | hello where can i get the md5sums of debian 4.0 rc0 DVDs |
| 18:00.57 | Haris | khaleel5000: In the same folder wiht the ISOs |
| 18:01.38 | khaleel5000 | Haris: at debian.org i only find rc1 not rc0 |
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| 18:03.07 | khaleel5000 | i had a dvd , of debian 4.0 which i had ordered, its scratched etc, so I have created ISO out of it , but have to verify its integrity |
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| 18:03.47 | jetscreamer | kdub432: afaik you don't, unless you build a deb package first.. i'm sure there's a way somehow to force it |
| 18:03.48 | zicho | can someone help me with installing the nvidia drivers, the "debian way"? |
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| 18:04.02 | jetscreamer | heh... zicho what kernel |
| 18:04.20 | jetscreamer | uname -r |
| 18:04.29 | zicho | 2.6.18-4-486 |
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| 18:04.47 | jetscreamer | m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 18:05.21 | zicho | done. |
| 18:05.35 | jetscreamer | you might need to apt-get install module-assistant linux-headers-$(uname -r) first |
| 18:05.48 | jetscreamer | oh ok then there you go.. apt-get install nvidia-glx after |
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| 18:06.02 | kdub432 | jetscreamer: i'm making a deb package (dh_make/debhelper) what does control.prev do? |
| 18:06.04 | jetscreamer | make sure you don't need the nvidia-legacy stuff instead |
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| 18:06.12 | zicho | i think i need the legacy |
| 18:06.14 | jetscreamer | kdub432: no idea beyond me |
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| 18:06.30 | kdub432 | ah, alright |
| 18:06.38 | jetscreamer | what gpu zicho |
| 18:06.43 | zicho | Geforce 3 |
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| 18:08.05 | zicho | i installed the glx-legacy instead, and the legacy kernel |
| 18:08.38 | jetscreamer | should be like m-a a-i nvidia-legacy or so |
| 18:08.54 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 18:08.56 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:09.01 | jetscreamer | so did /msg |
| 18:09.55 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 18:09.55 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 18:10.02 | jetscreamer | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:10.02 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 18:10.04 | Haris | debian 4 install failed on me in MS VS 2005 R2 and VMWare, now multiple times |
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| 18:16.50 | beoba | hi, i'm getting "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" whenever I try to run apt-get update or even apt-cache search |
| 18:17.13 | zicho | jetscreamer: i didnt need the legacy >< |
| 18:17.31 | zicho | jetscreamer: i will try doing what dpkg said, ty until further notice |
| 18:17.36 | beoba | the exact errors im getting are: |
| 18:17.37 | beoba | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 18:17.37 | beoba | E: Error occurred while processing sauerbraten (NewVersion1) |
| 18:17.38 | beoba | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 18:18.04 | hark | !tell beoba about dynamic mmap |
| 18:18.06 | beoba | i tried removing all files from /var/lib/apt/lists and retrying the command, but the error persists |
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| 18:18.51 | jetscreamer | do what the bot told you beoba |
| 18:18.55 | jetscreamer | worked for me |
| 18:19.18 | jetscreamer | or clean up your sources |
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| 18:19.22 | jetscreamer | much easier |
| 18:19.40 | fsdsa | hi guys i have installed php4 and php5, how can i ebal ephp5 when i type pp |
| 18:19.49 | beoba | i took out testing/unstable from sources (now it only lists stable), and that looks like it works fine |
| 18:19.51 | fsdsa | php ,because when i type php righ tnow, it show me version 4 |
| 18:19.55 | sparrw | ive got a script that i need to be able to write to /proc/... even when run as a user. can that be done without sudo? |
| 18:20.22 | jetscreamer | beoba: it was just too long a list for the default.. you can make it 'bigger' with that other command the bot told you |
| 18:20.50 | beoba | yeah, i also did that |
| 18:21.02 | beoba | does that truncate the cache? |
| 18:21.10 | fsdsa | my php4 is not even install trough apt-get |
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| 18:21.17 | fsdsa | but i dont know why i type php -v , it show me version 4 |
| 18:21.22 | jetscreamer | no just assigns more 'space' afaik |
| 18:21.22 | fsdsa | i have installed php5 |
| 18:21.33 | beoba | ah okay |
| 18:21.34 | jetscreamer | man alternatives ? |
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| 18:22.13 | CharminTheMoose | damn, how do i apply a patch to source code? |
| 18:22.21 | jetscreamer | make that man update-alternatives |
| 18:22.31 | jetscreamer | with the patch utility |
| 18:22.56 | jetscreamer | patch -p1 blahblahblahb (no i don't know how) |
| 18:23.16 | frojnd | hello there I have a newbie q. How can install bluez. First I tar file. Than I configure it: ./configure everythind default. And than I: make && make install Now do I have to do anything else to work bluez utilities ? |
| 18:23.44 | pa7iQ | hi people can someone help me? I get no output from cat /dev/psaux - my ps2 mouse doesnt work. |
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| 18:24.49 | pa7iQ | frojnd: I would just apt-get install bluez-package |
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| 18:25.14 | frojnd | pa7iQ: it hasn't the newest one that I need to work.. |
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| 18:25.23 | jetscreamer | pa7iQ: in the old days some ppl would modprobe mousedev and see if it works |
| 18:25.37 | jetscreamer | if that failed they would modprobe psmouse |
| 18:25.38 | pa7iQ | not even in unstable/testing, frojnd ? |
| 18:25.58 | pa7iQ | the module is loaded: timeout:~# lsmod | grep psmouse |
| 18:25.58 | pa7iQ | psmouse 34568 0 |
| 18:26.14 | jetscreamer | the mousedev was more common |
| 18:26.26 | frojnd | pa7iQ: I haven't tryed, but I allready compile the packages: bluez-libs-3.15 and bluez-utils-3.15 |
| 18:26.33 | pa7iQ | FATAL: Module mousedev not found. |
| 18:26.35 | frojnd | looks like those command compile packages.. |
| 18:26.48 | frojnd | Now I must find an install button |
| 18:26.55 | pa7iQ | frojnd: can't help you with compiling sorry. |
| 18:27.02 | nuxis | !tell nuxis about fglrx |
| 18:27.11 | frojnd | pa7iQ: compyling went smood... |
| 18:27.28 | jetscreamer | pa7iQ: sorry for the stupidity test, but it is a ps2 mouse eh |
| 18:27.55 | pa7iQ | the mouse is ps2 and it's plugged in :) |
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| 18:28.02 | jetscreamer | :) k |
| 18:28.16 | DustyBin | I've searched google, I've read MAN pages, I've annoyed people. But I still cannot find out why my desktop machine has suddenly stopped mounting NFS. When I boot the machine I now have to do mount -a to get the NFS mounts up, why has it suddenly stopped mounting automatically? |
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| 18:28.55 | jetscreamer | interfaces aren't up? seems to me there was a lazy nfs mount command... i forget |
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| 18:29.18 | DustyBin | the network is working ok |
| 18:29.19 | dkr | DustyBin: read your logs? |
| 18:29.22 | jetscreamer | or the firewall wasn't opened at the time.... sorry i did all that last year |
| 18:29.28 | DustyBin | there isnt anything in the logs at all regarding NFS |
| 18:29.35 | DustyBin | no firewall |
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| 18:30.16 | DustyBin | dmesg | grep nfs = nothing |
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| 18:31.07 | DustyBin | cat /var/log/syslog | grep nfs = nothing |
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| 18:31.27 | dkr | DustyBin: use grep -i :) |
| 18:31.36 | dkr | ni the init script the desc is DESC="NFS common utilities" |
| 18:32.05 | xingu | DustyBin: does /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs exist? |
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| 18:32.19 | DustyBin | yes |
| 18:32.51 | dkr | mine has " if-up.d/mountnfs[eth1]: if-up.d/mountnfs[eth1]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting" |
| 18:33.13 | dkr | (I just moved and didn't bring the nfs server with me, so it's not on lan anymore :) |
| 18:33.36 | dkr | that was in /var/log/messages |
| 18:33.45 | DustyBin | aye i havent check that yet |
| 18:33.54 | dkr | and syslog |
| 18:34.36 | DustyBin | mountnfs isnt even mentioned in my syslog |
| 18:34.38 | DustyBin | strange.. |
| 18:35.14 | Gm4n | what vnc server should I put on my debian server? (there's some things I don't know how to do without a GUI) |
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| 18:35.30 | xingu | DustyBin: what happens if you ifdown/ifup the ethernet interface? |
| 18:35.57 | DustyBin | it should turn off? |
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| 18:36.17 | xingu | DustyBin: that script (mountnfs) is where the magic lives. |
| 18:36.23 | xingu | DustyBin: ifup runs it. |
| 18:36.29 | DustyBin | i see |
| 18:36.42 | DustyBin | when ones machine boots it looks at the ifup daemons |
| 18:37.24 | xingu | DustyBin: not quite; the kernel scans the busses and triggers udev; for a network peripheral type, udev runs ifup |
| 18:38.05 | xingu | um not quite, ifupdown is run by init |
| 18:38.20 | DustyBin | cdok |
| 18:38.29 | DustyBin | if u run mountnfs on its own it says |
| 18:38.32 | DustyBin | * if-up.d/mountnfs[]: lock /var/run/network/mountnfs exist, not mounting |
| 18:38.57 | DustyBin | and now thats recorded in my syslog |
| 18:39.16 | xingu | right, so you've probably already mounted your fs' ? |
| 18:39.20 | DustyBin | yes |
| 18:39.27 | DustyBin | no no |
| 18:39.28 | DustyBin | i havent |
| 18:39.29 | DustyBin | sorry |
| 18:39.35 | xingu | ok, so remove the lockfile |
| 18:39.42 | xingu | (/var/run/network/mountnfs) |
| 18:40.13 | DustyBin | nothing exists in that directory |
| 18:40.36 | xingu | the whole dir... |
| 18:40.42 | DustyBin | i see |
| 18:40.58 | DustyBin | its gone.. |
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| 18:41.10 | DustyBin | what is a lock file? |
| 18:41.44 | xingu | in this case a misnomer; it's a lock dir; it's a semaphore used to prevent that script from running twice concurrently. |
| 18:41.46 | DustyBin | i ran mountnfs again but this time it didnt error! |
| 18:41.59 | DustyBin | and the NFS mounts are back! |
| 18:42.05 | xingu | tada. |
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| 18:42.26 | DustyBin | how did a empty directory with nothing in it stop it from mounting? |
| 18:42.28 | DustyBin | :-S |
| 18:42.33 | xingu | now try a reboot and see if it cleans up and remounts them; if not, there's a bug in late rc scripts during shutdown/reboot. |
| 18:42.48 | DustyBin | ok, thanks for your help :D |
| 18:42.50 | xingu | eyeball the script - the test condition is there for all to see |
| 18:43.14 | ski | are 'eth0','lo' examples of bind adresses ? is that the same as network interfaces ? |
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| 18:44.21 | xingu | ski: I've only seen that term in relation to binding to a specific IP address as opposed to listening on any IP address (ie binding to 0.0.0.0 or ::/0) |
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| 18:44.46 | xingu | ski: addresses can be assigned to interfaces but this is an unrelated property. |
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| 18:45.27 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone know how i can set dns suffixes on windows boxes through dhcp? |
| 18:45.46 | ski | xingu : ok .. i'm trying to figure out if i can remote forward a port back over an ssh connection .. |
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| 18:46.36 | dsilva | is the binutils package something you should be able to rebuild with "apt-get source -b" ? |
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| 18:47.33 | abrotman | probably .. but why ? |
| 18:47.35 | ski | xingu : .. but just 'ssh <host> -R <remote-port>:localhost:<local-port>' doesn't work, since the local host doesn't allow connections to '<local-port>' on 'localhost' .. |
| 18:47.54 | dsilva | just testing to see if I can build at all, because it was failing for another project |
| 18:48.01 | dsilva | I was checking if the problem is my system or their tree |
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| 18:48.09 | dsilva | but I can't build the debian package either |
| 18:48.09 | ski | xingu : so, i was wondering if this had anything to do with using 'eth0', in which case i could maybe use 'lo' instead |
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| 18:48.21 | ski | (but it is quite possible i am confused) |
| 18:48.22 | dsilva | fails with "bucomm.c:108: error: ‘TARGET’ undeclared" |
| 18:49.01 | abrotman | dsilva: which version of debian ? |
| 18:49.10 | pa7iQ | ski: eth0 is the first network interface (card) and lo is for localhost, not a network card |
| 18:49.19 | dsilva | abrotman: unstable |
| 18:49.27 | fsdsa | how to show my HD memory |
| 18:49.52 | xingu | ponyofdeath: totally OT; http://support.microsoft.com/kb/275553 |
| 18:49.57 | ski | pa7iQ : i just want the local ssh to forward remote port connections to a local port |
| 18:50.08 | wad | So, if I want my new debian box to have the correct time, I just do "apt-get install ntp", right? |
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| 18:50.26 | splinux91 | hola como estan buenas |
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| 18:50.34 | Dan___ | ntpdate? |
| 18:50.44 | wad | Oh, is that the one? |
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| 18:51.24 | ponyofdeath | xingu: thanks |
| 18:51.31 | Dan___ | wad>http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/ntpdate |
| 18:51.39 | xingu | ski: try GatewayPorts server option. |
| 18:51.40 | wad | Thanks, Dan! |
| 18:51.44 | Dan___ | np |
| 18:51.47 | wad | Looks like it worked. |
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| 18:52.33 | ski | xingu : can i do that without being able to access the local sshd (or its config) ? |
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| 18:54.04 | xingu | ski: remote sshd I think you mean. |
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| 18:55.18 | ski | xingu : oh .. i was thinking my problem was related to the local ssh or sshd, not the remote one |
| 18:55.44 | DustyBin | my mounts now mount automatically, thank you for your help |
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| 18:56.05 | DustyBin | *why |
| 18:56.06 | Rudd-O | hello everyone, debian experts out there |
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| 18:56.10 | xingu | DustyBin: read the shellscript |
| 18:56.16 | Rudd-O | how do I disable simultaneous downloads in APT-get? |
| 18:56.17 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 18:56.17 | bulio| | which are the two files that hold all the networking information? |
| 18:56.25 | slidesinger | OK, as far as I can tell by the docs, udev should be working just fine, only it doesn't seem to be. I have both udev and usbmount installed, yet I cannot hotplug my usb flash drive or my mouse, although both work fine from a coldboot. (laptop) Are there any other pieces, docs on config, etc. that I should know about? |
| 18:56.34 | ski | maybe i didn't explain good enough .. i can make the above mentioned ssh connection, with the '-R' option .. but when i try to remotely use the port, which should travel back to the local host, that is not allowed (presumably because the local host won't allow it, no ?) |
| 18:56.47 | xingu | ski: whichever sshd is being logged in to (and I assume this is the remote system) needs that option set. |
| 18:57.22 | abrotman | Rudd-O: don't think you can .. why? |
| 18:57.27 | xingu | ski: it is the logged-in-to system that is presently only listening on the loopback address for the redirected socket |
| 18:57.34 | Rudd-O | because I have a 128 kbit net connection and everything else grinds to a halt |
| 18:57.36 | ski | 'being logged in to' being which ? |
| 18:57.50 | Rudd-O | I saw the apt.conf page and it mentions something about paralellizing only protocols, but to no avail, it wont pay attention |
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| 18:57.52 | xingu | ski: you're ssh'ing into something, I assume you know what |
| 18:58.07 | abrotman | Rudd-O: you can use 'trickle' to rate limit |
| 18:58.41 | Rudd-O | that's not the idea, I want to max out my connection alright, but I don't want several connections because otherwise my net surfing dies |
| 18:58.45 | Rudd-O | one connection is fine, several are not |
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| 18:58.51 | Rudd-O | I already have packet shaping installed |
| 18:58.54 | ski | i'm sshing from 'local' to 'remote', say .. and wanting to forward port in opposite direction .. so does 'whichever sshd is being logged in to' mean the 'local' or 'remote' one, then ? |
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| 18:59.03 | ski | (xingu : sorry if i'm being dense) |
| 18:59.04 | xingu | Rudd-O: apt-cache show wondershaper |
| 18:59.11 | bulio| | which are the two files that hold all the networking information? |
| 18:59.19 | Rudd-O | xingu: I already have wondershaper |
| 18:59.19 | jelly | hi, does anyone know how to insert a control character in recent versions of joe? |
| 18:59.21 | xingu | ski: so the remote system needs GatewayPorts set |
| 18:59.23 | Rudd-O | a very tailored wondershaper |
| 18:59.25 | dkr | bulio|: man interfaces |
| 18:59.30 | xingu | Rudd-O: in that case blame your tailor. |
| 18:59.38 | Rudd-O | I did this in apt.conf: Acquire::Queue-Mode { "access"; }; |
| 18:59.41 | ski | xingu : ok, ty .. |
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| 19:00.08 | Rudd-O | xingu: I can't shape what I download because it's through port 80, which incidentally is the port I'm using to browse the web, and inbound traffic cannot be shaped per-connection anyway |
| 19:00.27 | ski | xingu : hm .. i think i can't do anything, then, since i can't control sshd on the remote system |
| 19:00.44 | jelly | Rudd-O: you only get multiple connections if you have repos on more than one machine, btw |
| 19:01.00 | bulio| | dkr: that doesnt tell me the file that the network information is stored in |
| 19:01.01 | Rudd-O | jelly: that was exactly what the conf I set on apt.conf was supposed to avoid, acording to the manpage |
| 19:01.07 | jelly | Rudd-O: wondershaper does a decent job of shaping ingress here |
| 19:01.13 | Rudd-O | jelly: how are you shaping ingress there? |
| 19:01.18 | Rudd-O | can I take a look? |
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| 19:01.29 | jelly | Rudd-O: "wondershaper eth0 840 144" :-) |
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| 19:01.46 | jelly | Rudd-O: that's for a 1024/192 DSL line |
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| 19:01.51 | dkr | bulio|: apparently you haev a different definition of "network information" than I do. :) |
| 19:01.56 | Rudd-O | jelly: you're only rate-limiting inbound traffic -- you're not priorizing inbound traffic, sorry to burst your buble |
| 19:02.33 | pa7iQ | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:02.40 | bulio| | thanks pa7iQ |
| 19:02.43 | abrotman | Rudd-O: use trickle :) |
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| 19:02.47 | jelly | Rudd-O: I don't know what does it do exactly, but I listen to my streams, browse and do apt-get update at the same time |
| 19:02.49 | ski | (xingu : right .. i can't even read '/etc/ssh/sshd_config' .. thanks for your help, anyway) |
| 19:02.59 | abrotman | Rudd-O: or use ftp for your apt sources ? |
| 19:03.01 | Rudd-O | jelly, that's because you have 1 MBIT inbound, I have 128 kbit |
| 19:03.10 | jelly | Rudd-O: sucks to be you :-D |
| 19:03.12 | xingu | Rudd-O: inbound *tcp* traffic can easily be shaped by either ack-clock skewing or rwin pessimisation; I assume your port 80 http traffic isn't udp. |
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| 19:03.30 | Rudd-O | xingu: show me how I can shape inbound traffic on a per-port basis |
| 19:03.36 | Rudd-O | using CBQ of course |
| 19:03.55 | xingu | sure; my rates are £2k/hr. |
| 19:04.08 | jelly | Rudd-O: per port? cbq.init (shaper package) |
| 19:04.11 | slidesinger | Can usb devices hotplug under linux or not? |
| 19:04.15 | abrotman | yes |
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| 19:04.43 | slidesinger | Is udev the proper tool to accomplish this? |
| 19:05.10 | Rudd-O | cbq.init shaper package does not do that |
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| 19:05.52 | xingu | abrotman: the trick is to create a cbq of all tx-bound ack traffic; extra points for *dynamically* biassing the queue weightings dependant on rx load. |
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| 19:06.15 | jelly | Rudd-O: does it not? I haven't tried. RULE=10.1.1.0/24:80 selects traffic going to port 80 in network 10.1.1.0 |
| 19:06.41 | bulio| | is there another network interface file? |
| 19:06.46 | Rudd-O | of course, traffic GOING there, not coming from there |
| 19:07.02 | Rudd-O | xingu: how do you do that? |
| 19:07.26 | Rudd-O | because no cbq can be attached to the inbound pdisc |
| 19:07.29 | xingu | abrotman: and yes, at that point you're second guessing tcp's bandwidth estimator; for some reason linux's tcp implementation does tend to result in odd biasses - one socket consuming all bandwidth rather than all sockets recieving equal scheduling |
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| 19:07.57 | Rudd-O | latecomer sockets tend to lose |
| 19:08.10 | bulio| | how can I see how much memory installed in the system? |
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| 19:08.13 | xingu | Rudd-O: you don't need a cbq on the inbound qdisc; you just some pcap love to measure the mix. |
| 19:08.25 | streuner | builo: try dmidecode |
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| 19:09.10 | xingu | Rudd-O: latecomer sockets are ok I've found if once they're all open you kill the queue hog outright. |
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| 19:09.25 | sid | How can I tell what camera this acer laptop has built-in to the display? |
| 19:09.28 | sid | lspci doesn't seem to show it |
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| 19:09.43 | akem720 | hi |
| 19:09.45 | jelly | xingu: so you have a sniffer continuously measuring and adapting the settings? |
| 19:09.45 | pa7iQ | check the laptop manual |
| 19:09.48 | bulio| | and to check the processor speed? |
| 19:09.55 | irwiss_ | sid; Try lsusb |
| 19:10.07 | xingu | Rudd-O: there's something screwey about the way linux allocates all bandwidth initially to the first comer - it then seems to schedule *based on* that bandwidth estimation; I've never dug far enough beneath the bonnet to find out exactly what's going on, but it smells like that |
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| 19:10.12 | xingu | jelly: exactly so |
| 19:10.28 | sid | irwiss_: nothing |
| 19:10.31 | xingu | jelly: nb, this is *theoretical* - my rates are reasonable |
| 19:10.41 | akem720 | anyone know how can i disable gpg for apt? |
| 19:10.49 | streuner | builo: cat /proc/cpuinfo ;-) |
| 19:11.04 | irwiss_ | sid: lsusb -v |grep -i video? |
| 19:11.23 | streuner | bulio|: cat /proc/cpuinfo ;-) |
| 19:11.27 | xingu | actually if someone wanted to cook up a mechanism for altering the tcp stack's guess about per-socket bandwidth the cbq would be unnecessary |
| 19:11.40 | xingu | again, for £2k/hr I'd get my gloves off. |
| 19:11.41 | pa7iQ | bulio|: top |
| 19:12.09 | streuner | heh |
| 19:13.32 | Rudd-O | xingu: you are talking about cheating. how do you drop the acks? |
| 19:13.48 | Rudd-O | besides whats the point of doing shaping through pcap and iptables or stuff? |
| 19:13.54 | Rudd-O | too low-level |
| 19:14.24 | sid | irwiss: http://rafb.net/p/nHNsf947.html |
| 19:15.14 | xingu | Rudd-O: the shaping is not done via pcap; *if* you wanted to do it that way, you'd rate-estimate per-flow Rx and feed this through to the Tx per-flow cbq weightings based on your local policy. |
| 19:15.31 | irwiss | sid: lose the " |grep..." and you'll get to see your camera, unless you have some other camera attached to usb... |
| 19:15.33 | Rudd-O | then how? |
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| 19:15.57 | hardcampa_ | hum hum many here using sid? Just curious.. being on feisty |
| 19:16.07 | xingu | Rudd-O: "rate-estimate" involves flow measurement - pcap task; cbq weightings - cbq discipline on interface, and a daemon analysing the former and tweaking the latter |
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| 19:16.41 | irwiss | hardcampa: Polls on irc are retarded ;P |
| 19:16.42 | xingu | Rudd-O: nb, you *can* have inbound qdisc's if you think about the problem laterally; pass the traffic through a dual-homed system... |
| 19:16.48 | abrotman | xingu: i'm not guessing .. i'm saying .. use what's there! |
| 19:16.56 | Rudd-O | that is not useful at all, what would be useful is attaching a qdisc to the inbound queue with TC |
| 19:17.13 | hardcampa_ | irwiss true |
| 19:17.26 | jelly | hardcampa_: a sane way to have a working yet reasonably fresh Debian system is to use testing, then only cherry pick stuff of particular interest from unstable (or even experimental) |
| 19:17.28 | xingu | abrotman: the problem is that what's there isn't fair |
| 19:17.31 | Rudd-O | xingu: of course, you can do that, you canalways ratelimit "outbond" traffic in a router in both NICs |
| 19:17.46 | Rudd-O | but this is a local machine, I would have to set up a virtual ijnterface and do that stuff, too friggin complicate |
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| 19:17.51 | xingu | abrotman: it has a heavy bias toward satisfying the first bandwidth hog |
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| 19:17.59 | hardcampa_ | ah so use lenny but pick from sid you mean |
| 19:17.59 | sid | irwiss: http://rafb.net/p/EVWA9e40.html |
| 19:18.06 | sid | irwiss: Is it possible to make this camera work with Debian? |
| 19:18.24 | jelly | Rudd-O: you have 128 kbps bandwidth, if not for the latency you could run a router in a local virtual machine. :-) |
| 19:18.38 | abrotman | xingu: so what .. tough on you! |
| 19:19.05 | Rudd-O | we're forgetting the part of the question where I needed a practical solution to not make APT download stuff simlutaneoulsy |
| 19:19.24 | hardcampa_ | cbq is too limiting compared to htb. |
| 19:19.24 | Rudd-O | rthere has to be a way, smart package manager has one |
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| 19:20.02 | jelly | Rudd-O: and Acquire::Queue-Mode doesn't help there? |
| 19:20.29 | Rudd-O | nope |
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| 19:20.44 | jelly | [...] no, but it can make it worse :> I just rtfm. |
| 19:21.03 | jelly | proxy! |
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| 19:24.07 | juso | I need to drive load to a box to hit cpu/drives etc.. anyne have a suggestion? |
| 19:24.12 | edistar | does anyone know if durak exists as a card game for linux at all? |
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| 19:26.20 | flami | edistar, you might be able to run that game with wine |
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| 19:28.03 | lynucs | why does hdparm says "HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device" when i check any of my 3 optical drives with hdparm? all are IDE, but connected by scsi? |
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| 19:28.34 | lynucs | the prob is. that my dvdrw burns cd with a speed of x1, no matter which tool i use |
| 19:28.36 | Supaplex | lynucs: sdparm is for scsi devices. |
| 19:28.53 | lynucs | can i enable dma with sdparm? |
| 19:28.59 | Supaplex | external? sounds like a lame enclosure |
| 19:29.22 | Supaplex | no |
| 19:29.28 | lynucs | external drives? no |
| 19:29.41 | xingu | Rudd-O: just out of interest do you get a different result if you set the net.ipv4.tcp_low_latency sysctl? |
| 19:30.10 | bulio| | how can I check the processor speed? |
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| 19:31.05 | Supaplex | bulio|: cat /proc/cpuinfo (and no, DO NOT paste it here) |
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| 19:31.16 | bulio| | Supaplex: i won't :) |
| 19:31.31 | Supaplex | tia :) |
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| 19:31.31 | carter | how can i make apt-get install proftpd ask me whether or not i want standalone or inetd after i already installed it? |
| 19:31.32 | Xtreme | hola como estas estoy teniendo un problema |
| 19:31.38 | Supaplex | !es |
| 19:31.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:31.48 | Supaplex | carter: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 19:32.14 | Xtreme | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.31 | kenji | guys how can I dump a database from a not working mysql server? |
| 19:33.03 | _underline | kenji: mysqldump |
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| 19:33.18 | streuner | bulio|: why did you ask twice? |
| 19:33.23 | kenji | _underline: from a NOT UP mysql server |
| 19:33.27 | bulio| | kenji: mysqldump -u username -p dbname > file.sql |
| 19:33.42 | bulio| | kenji: it needs to be running to be able to dump the db |
| 19:33.42 | kenji | :'( not up not working killed death server :'( |
| 19:33.51 | kenji | I know that bulio| |
| 19:33.52 | bulio| | check the error logs |
| 19:34.03 | ovd | kenji, just copy all dir with db :-P |
| 19:34.10 | ovd | and put in new place |
| 19:34.11 | kenji | I tryed it ovd |
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| 19:34.26 | ovd | kenji, but.. ? |
| 19:35.01 | carter | is there a way to make debian reinstall the init.d scripts? |
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| 19:35.25 | kenji | ovd: the database on the new server its recognised and I can see the tables but I can't do any query |
| 19:35.30 | carter | i sorta figured deleting the init.d script would make debian ask me when i reinstalled proftpd |
| 19:35.52 | _underline | kenji: try to mysqlrepair |
| 19:36.02 | edistar | carter: hehe, unwise |
| 19:36.06 | carter | clearly |
| 19:36.12 | ovd | kenji, have u tried repair tables? |
| 19:36.14 | kenji | _underline and ovd: http://rafb.net/p/SPM66o98.html |
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| 19:36.40 | carter | anyone care to pastebin up their proftpd init.d script? :-) |
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| 19:36.50 | ovd | kenji, permissions? |
| 19:37.04 | _underline | kenji: FileSystem Permissions? |
| 19:37.24 | kenji | ovd and _underline the permisions are set to 660 for /usr/local/mysql/var/zabbix |
| 19:37.38 | Rudd-O | trickle is a crock of shit |
| 19:37.43 | Rudd-O | it isn't trickling at all |
| 19:37.53 | _underline | kenji: owner? User mysql is running as? |
| 19:38.12 | kenji | under mysql user |
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| 19:38.45 | xingu | Rudd-O: can you set the tcp_low_latency sysctl and repeat your exact same test case? |
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| 19:39.15 | kenji | _underline: mysql its running as mysql user |
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| 19:40.18 | _underline | kenji: and mysql owns directories |
| 19:40.25 | ovd | kenji, and files own? |
| 19:40.27 | fsdsa | guys, a simple quesiton |
| 19:40.35 | fsdsa | is there a way to make crontab execeut every 10 second? |
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| 19:40.46 | fsdsa | look like crontab min is 1 minutes |
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| 19:41.34 | kenji | _underline and ovd: http://rafb.net/p/9ONABA44.html |
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| 19:42.19 | Rudd-O | fsdsa nope |
| 19:42.28 | kenji | why this is happening? :S |
| 19:42.33 | Rudd-O | but your script could run for 5 times and do sleep 10 in the meantime |
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| 19:43.29 | JordiGH | If the touchpad is unbearably slow, that's something that synaptics can fix, right? |
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| 19:43.47 | kenji | ovd and _underline can you give me a hand? :S |
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| 19:44.06 | geo-rge | JordiGH: depends on why it is slow... |
| 19:44.07 | geo-rge | so |
| 19:44.10 | geo-rge | why is it slow? |
| 19:44.48 | _underline | kenji: Sorry, only idea left: Maybe mysql permissions. Do a grant for root on *.* |
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| 19:45.21 | geo-rge | umm :) if you really want root to be able to do that... |
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| 19:45.46 | geo-rge | I'm guessing that sometime in the future you might wish you didn't |
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| 19:45.57 | _underline | geo-rge: root can do everything, even cooking and backing |
| 19:46.17 | geo-rge | except run postgres backend :)_ |
| 19:46.22 | kenji | _underline: mysql> grant root *.*; |
| 19:46.22 | kenji | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'root *.*' at line 1 |
| 19:46.22 | kenji | mysql> |
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| 19:46.55 | JordiGH | geo-rge: How can I find out why it's slow? :-) |
| 19:47.06 | geo-rge | hmm |
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| 19:47.59 | sysadmin | hi all, i am experiencing such a weird problem on debian ,64 bit, stable |
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| 19:48.06 | ovd | kenji, i don't like this line: './zabbix/' why with dot? |
| 19:48.14 | geo-rge | last time I had a slowdown, it was keystrokes... I ran the program top and found my web browser was taking a lot of cpu, and my load average (as reported by uptime) uptime was rising above 7 |
| 19:48.26 | kenji | ovd: where men? |
| 19:48.28 | ovd | maybe he cant find path? |
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| 19:48.52 | sysadmin | cp -al with rsnaphot takes 2 or 3 hours to complete |
| 19:48.54 | spheard | trying to use find -size with "c" for number of bytes, cant work out the syntax find "$datest.sql" -size +20c -exec "echo \"file is big\"" ";" |
| 19:49.03 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Hm. There's nothing running right now except GNOME. |
| 19:49.11 | kenji | ovd: where :S |
| 19:49.17 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Anyways, just installed ksynaptics. Let me restart GNOME. |
| 19:49.26 | geo-rge | turned out that shockwave flash was the thing that was slowing everything down, so I closed the pages that that was running, and watched as my load average dropped quickly to below 1 |
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| 19:49.51 | Zta | I'm in doubt here. Should I install Ubuntu or Debian? What I like about Ubuntu is the out-of-the-box experince, new packages, and a desktop environment that just works. I haven't experinced this with Debian yet, but maybe it's just me who's keep using my old .xinitrc with "exec fluxbox" =). Anyway, Ubuntu's desktop, Gnome, just uses way much memory. And now I'm trying to cherrypick the packages to install, but it's an awful job, and it |
| 19:50.26 | geo-rge | Zta: yeah, the cherrypicking thing is a pain |
| 19:50.33 | sysadmin | linux kernel -Linux srv-bak1 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:50.55 | abrotman | should have -5- |
| 19:51.03 | JordiGH | Zta: Debian testing has Emacs 22. 'Nuff said. :-) |
| 19:51.08 | geo-rge | Zta: get someone to give you a handmedown computer and put debian on that |
| 19:51.12 | Zta | Maybe Gnome just IS huge. |
| 19:51.12 | sysadmin | rsnapshot version: 1.3.0-1 |
| 19:51.18 | bzed | Zta: I'm usually installing a minimal debian isntallation (as in: ignoring tasksel completely) and install the packages I really need only |
| 19:51.20 | sparrw | im trying to find wacomcpl so that i can calibrate my touchscreen. other than building it myself from source, any ideas? |
| 19:51.32 | kenji | ovd: mysql> select * from users; |
| 19:51.32 | kenji | ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'zabbix.users' doesn't exist |
| 19:51.32 | kenji | mysql> |
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| 19:51.38 | kenji | but there it is :S |
| 19:51.43 | geo-rge | Zta: it's true, gnome (and also kde) do take quite a bit of resources |
| 19:51.53 | sontek | Hey, by default etch has nano as its default (like when I type visudo) is there a config option somewhere to tell it to use vim? |
| 19:51.54 | sysadmin | Partition size is 2.5T |
| 19:51.58 | Zta | bzed, yeah that's what I'm doing too (basic server install with Ubuntu). It's a tough job. |
| 19:52.12 | geo-rge | server? why gnome on a server? |
| 19:52.22 | geo-rge | infact: |
| 19:52.24 | Zta | No.. |
| 19:52.27 | kenji | ovd: http://rafb.net/p/nGH9cs72.html |
| 19:52.31 | geo-rge | why any display (x) on a server :) |
| 19:52.39 | JordiGH | "Este aptitude no tiene poderes de Super Vaca" |
| 19:52.51 | JordiGH | Man, localised Debian is weird. %-) |
| 19:53.04 | Zta | the basic server install only installs a basic bootable system. From here I install the exact X server I need, the apps I need, and so forth. |
| 19:53.21 | geo-rge | why have a monitor? (ok, so that's getting a bit far out...) and why mouse or keyboard? (hmm, that one is REALLY weird...) |
| 19:53.21 | sysadmin | guys, any ideas? |
| 19:53.28 | Zta | I could just go ahead a "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" but that would lave me with an exhausted memory and harddisk =\ |
| 19:53.36 | geo-rge | oh, you meant x server |
| 19:53.39 | geo-rge | sorry :) |
| 19:53.45 | abrotman | isn't there fluxbuntu or some crap ? |
| 19:53.51 | Zta | geo-rge, ... no, I ment what I said =) |
| 19:54.05 | abrotman | sysadmin: is it the first time you're runnign it ? |
| 19:54.07 | Zta | abrotman, nah.. xfce though. |
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| 19:54.24 | sysadmin | running what? rsnaphot? |
| 19:54.27 | Zta | Anyway, I didn't mean to turn this into an Ubuntu channel =) Just asking if Gnome was more light on Debian. |
| 19:54.28 | geo-rge | but what do you actually want? you installed the "server" but was that what you are actyally after? |
| 19:55.09 | Zta | geo-rge, I want a light gnome desktop with fluxbox. |
| 19:55.25 | geo-rge | ahh, |
| 19:55.39 | abrotman | Zta: some people say that gnome on debian is faster than ubuntu .. but only you can judge that |
| 19:55.45 | geo-rge | "light gnome" tho, sorta doesn't go together :) |
| 19:55.51 | xingu | right, so if I understand this, roughly speaking the problem with linux tcp is that it's too damn efficient; the first bandwidth hog will fill the narrowest bitpipe in the path and then backlog it; in the meantime, the second and subsequent hog will get ack-starved; the tx end will estimate truly wild srtt and cwnd values (ie - low bandwidth) and as a result transmit rarely; the only real way to address this is to put a per-flow cbq or htb shap |
| 19:55.51 | xingu | er facing the Rx end, and literally only pass <some% of actual pipe throughput. |
| 19:55.54 | abrotman | like of like light geo-rge |
| 19:55.58 | abrotman | kid of like |
| 19:56.00 | abrotman | bah |
| 19:56.04 | geo-rge | gotcha |
| 19:56.06 | Zta | geo-rge, I'm trying to acomplish this by installed the Ubuntu server installation without any servers = a plain bootable system. From here I cherrypick what packages I want for my desktop. |
| 19:56.10 | geo-rge | re abrotman |
| 19:56.14 | DexterF | where do I get a TOR deb for Etch? there's none in the standard repos |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | DexterF: that's the way it should be |
| 19:56.45 | xingu | that will ensure that *every* Tx party estimates /available/ bandwidth correctly by virtue of the narrow pipe not being queue backlogged to kingdom come. |
| 19:56.45 | geo-rge | Zta: not a bad way to go |
| 19:56.54 | DexterF | abrotman: ? |
| 19:56.57 | abrotman | DexterF: try backports.org .. and read the instructions |
| 19:57.06 | dkr | DexterF: install privoxy? |
| 19:57.07 | abrotman | DexterF: tor moves to fast to be stuck in stable .. see the BTS |
| 19:57.14 | abrotman | too fast |
| 19:57.24 | DexterF | BTS? |
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| 19:57.56 | geo-rge | DexterF: bugs.debian.org |
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| 19:58.03 | dkr | Buffy The Slayer |
| 19:58.16 | geo-rge | or maybe there's a better interface to that now, dunno |
| 19:58.31 | sarixe | hi, is there a way for me to get a log of the boot? |
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| 19:58.41 | DexterF | o... k... |
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| 19:59.09 | sysadmin | abrotman: debian 64 bit testing version was running on the server. rsnaphot was working fine |
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| 19:59.34 | geo-rge | DexterF: this is what's being said: the thing you're asking about is being developed a lot, changes happen very quickly. The best information is -probably- the bugs reported about it |
| 19:59.52 | spheard | can anyone help me with this command -- find "$datest.sql" -size +20c -exec "echo \"file is big\"" ";". I want to look for a file bigger than 20 bytes but I cant work out the syntax |
| 19:59.54 | DexterF | got that point |
| 19:59.55 | sysadmin | rsnapshot is working fine in debian 64 bit stable as well, but cp-al takes 2 or 3 hours |
| 20:00.00 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 20:00.17 | DexterF | enlightenment dawns. I thought the bug tracker held some package info |
| 20:00.32 | DexterF | reading backports instr... |
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| 20:00.50 | sysadmin | it isn't normal. it used to be much faster before |
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| 20:01.22 | abrotman | DexterF: there is a standing bug from the maintainer |
| 20:01.39 | abrotman | DexterF: erm .. at release time there was |
| 20:01.52 | DexterF | yeah they fixed some stuff. |
| 20:01.52 | geo-rge | careful about that enlightenment thing... it can cause major changes and major sudden things happening around and to you |
| 20:02.00 | spheard | can anyone help me with this command -- find "$datest.sql" -size +20c -exec "echo \"file is big\"" ";". I want to look for a file bigger than 20 bytes but I cant work out the syntax. error is -- find: invalid argument `c20' to `-size' |
| 20:02.04 | abrotman | DexterF: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378758 |
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| 20:02.26 | geo-rge | what is $datest.sql |
| 20:02.28 | DexterF | geo-rge: that was figurative. dawned on me, not my machine :) I don't see any point in installing E at all... |
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| 20:02.39 | geo-rge | meetoo :) |
| 20:02.56 | geo-rge | I'm sorta talking more about being enlightened |
| 20:03.06 | spheard | geo-rge: its from a script |
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| 20:03.27 | spheard | but its an sqldump, trying to find out if it actually happened |
| 20:03.31 | geo-rge | spheard: so that is what, a variable? |
| 20:03.47 | DexterF | umm. apt nags me about not available public keys |
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| 20:04.10 | geo-rge | DexterF: you can find and install the keys... or blindly trust :) |
| 20:04.21 | DexterF | I had this with mmedia already... is there a standard procedure for that? |
| 20:04.30 | DexterF | I'd prefer keys |
| 20:04.35 | geo-rge | ok, |
| 20:04.44 | geo-rge | what were you just now trying to install? |
| 20:04.53 | spheard | geo-rge: yeh |
| 20:05.00 | geo-rge | I'm guessing you need etch key and 2007 key |
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| 20:05.03 | sarixe | anyone know how to get a log of the system startup? |
| 20:05.04 | DexterF | inst backports-keyring, right? |
| 20:05.18 | geo-rge | ohh, from backports |
| 20:05.21 | wAndyw78 | sarixe: dmesg not sufficient? |
| 20:05.23 | moshii | sarixe: dmesg |
| 20:05.24 | sarixe | eh |
| 20:05.31 | moshii | sarixe: syslog |
| 20:05.32 | sarixe | dmesg is giving me random crap |
| 20:05.40 | sarixe | mac addresses and whatnot |
| 20:05.44 | wAndyw78 | take a look at the files in /var/log .... |
| 20:05.46 | geo-rge | ok, so the instructions should be on backports.org |
| 20:05.54 | sarixe | aright |
| 20:05.54 | moshii | sarixe: what do you want to find out? |
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| 20:05.58 | wAndyw78 | what are you looking for? |
| 20:06.03 | logd | hi, if i call an app. thats uses a gui in konsole and i'm logged as user it works - if i'm logged as root it asks for x server how do i make x server global or whatevet? |
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| 20:06.14 | geo-rge | but you might still want the etch key and the debian 2007 key if you don't already have them |
| 20:06.18 | sarixe | moshii, wAndyw78 : i'm looking for whether firestarter started up alright |
| 20:06.27 | geo-rge | overall the process looks like: |
| 20:06.35 | moshii | logd: there is a nice app called sux that does a su and passes x authority to the new user |
| 20:06.39 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.39 | sarixe | because recently i watched it boot up, and it said "Starting firestarter firewall... Failed!" |
| 20:06.48 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.52 | wAndyw78 | logd: it's not an good idea to start GUIs as root... |
| 20:07.04 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.09 | wAndyw78 | logd: perhaps you want use sudo instead? |
| 20:07.12 | moshii | sarixe: you want to look at the log for that app or syslog then |
| 20:07.24 | DexterF | geo-rge: ok: "etch key" and the "2007 key" - are part of a package or..? |
| 20:07.29 | sarixe | moshii : where would that be? |
| 20:07.29 | logd | but sudo wants me to configure every app to allow |
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| 20:07.47 | geo-rge | I completely forgot exactly how to get them and where they are |
| 20:07.49 | geo-rge | sorry |
| 20:07.56 | moshii | wAndyw78: can't see why it's such a huge issue to run x applications as root, your xdm is running as root |
| 20:07.58 | geo-rge | let's see what dpkg knows |
| 20:08.02 | geo-rge | !apt key |
| 20:08.09 | wAndyw78 | logd: sux - wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials |
| 20:08.10 | moshii | sarixe: in /var/log |
| 20:08.15 | sarixe | thanks |
| 20:08.25 | moshii | wAndyw78: have mentioned that already.. |
| 20:08.27 | geo-rge | !listkeys 2007 |
| 20:08.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of '2007' by key (2): rfc2007 ;; 2007 debate. |
| 20:08.43 | wAndyw78 | moshii: I never had to run a X-App permanently as root... |
| 20:08.52 | geo-rge | !etch key |
| 20:08.52 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 20:09.10 | moshii | wAndyw78: your display manager is running as root |
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| 20:09.43 | sarixe | moshii : that's the same output as dmesg |
| 20:09.49 | sarixe | moshii : want a pastebin of it? |
| 20:09.50 | geo-rge | you may also need to run apt-get update -again- BEFORE all that |
| 20:09.52 | logd | btw i'm not afraid for security ;) just need "comodity" wayt to run any app, withouth adding to sudoers |
| 20:10.10 | DexterF | geo-rge: ok, I already have those. 4 in all now. archive, backports, multimedia and debian-keyring. |
| 20:10.13 | moshii | sarixe: not really.. what you're probably seeing is the output from iptables |
| 20:10.27 | DexterF | but aptitude -t etch-backports search tor returns nothing |
| 20:10.29 | wAndyw78 | moshii: I only thought that many peaple run some app as root, because they don't know to configure groups... |
| 20:10.31 | geo-rge | DexterF: apt still nagging? |
| 20:10.41 | DexterF | geo-rge: no apt updates now |
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| 20:10.47 | sarixe | moshii : no, it's from networkmanager and stuff like that... like DHCPDISCOVER and wpa_supplicant |
| 20:11.22 | moshii | sarixe: try restarting firestarter and see if it works |
| 20:11.30 | wAndyw78 | sarixe: dmesg |grep -i fire ? |
| 20:11.44 | sarixe | lemme see |
| 20:12.05 | sarixe | wAndyw78 : nothing |
| 20:12.08 | DexterF | how can I list each and every package of a repos? aptitude search -t repos *? |
| 20:12.09 | kenji | ovd: Im talking to you in the query that you started :S but you don't answer |
| 20:12.27 | moshii | wAndyw78: sometimes you have to run things as root, i.e. things that require root privileges |
| 20:12.35 | sarixe | moshii : /etc/init.d/firestarter restart worked |
| 20:12.37 | twobitsprite | I'm looking for a tool, preferably boot cd, with which I can take back up images of systems on a multitude of architectures and OSes... does anyone know of something like that? |
| 20:12.41 | Zta | The gnome-session packages depends on radeontool. I don't have an ATi card. Why this annoying dependency? Is this also in Debian? |
| 20:12.51 | wAndyw78 | moshii: yes, I know |
| 20:13.03 | geo-rge | kenji : you need to be identified to nickserv in order to send priv msgs |
| 20:13.12 | moshii | sarixe: maybe it's failing at boot because your nic's aren't ready at that point or something, that's something you'll have to investigate |
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| 20:13.34 | moshii | twobitsprite: a live cd with dd? |
| 20:13.40 | twobitsprite | Zta: doesn't depend on radeontool for me in testing... |
| 20:13.53 | sarixe | moshii : that's probably it, because i'm on wifi, and it doesn't start until i do a graphical login and give networkmanager the password to my keyring |
| 20:14.03 | Zta | twobitsprite, ok, thanks. I wonder why they made it depend like that here. |
| 20:14.04 | twobitsprite | moshii: dd is horrible for system images, because a lot of my systems have swaths of empty space which doesn't need to be backed up... |
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| 20:14.05 | abrotman | !rdepends radeontool lenny |
| 20:14.10 | twobitsprite | Zta: here? |
| 20:14.13 | ovd | kenji, can we talk in private? |
| 20:14.15 | sarixe | moshii : so i guess i can write a script for gnome startup |
| 20:14.17 | Zta | twobitsprite, my box |
| 20:14.26 | twobitsprite | Zta: what are you running? |
| 20:14.32 | kenji | ovd: Im talking to you but you are not answering :S |
| 20:14.36 | ovd | uff |
| 20:14.46 | abrotman | maybe /join #ovd |
| 20:14.48 | unilynx | I have an issue where when I put in my USB Flash stick, or my ipod now it doesn't pop up. Gnome volume manager is running and there doesn't seem to be any problems... i also reinstalled autofs and gnome-volume-manager but still no luck. any ideas? |
| 20:14.49 | ovd | i didn't see anything |
| 20:14.49 | geo-rge | ovd : once he's identified to services, he will be able to send to you privately. |
| 20:14.50 | Zta | twobitsprite, Ubuntu. Sorry, forgot to mention it =) |
| 20:14.56 | twobitsprite | !ubuntu |
| 20:14.56 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 20:15.04 | moshii | sarixe: you could probably script a decent solution, I'm not sure exactly where the best place for it would be |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | Zta: then ask them |
| 20:15.10 | ovd | geo-rge, damn |
| 20:15.11 | ovd | :-) |
| 20:15.18 | sarixe | moshii : gnome startup processes |
| 20:15.25 | moshii | twobitsprite: dd into bzip? |
| 20:15.33 | geo-rge | all he has to do is reg his nick... but abrotman had an alternative |
| 20:15.36 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: did this problem occour the last day? Did yiu run gparted before this stopped working? |
| 20:15.54 | kenji | ovd ... |
| 20:15.56 | moshii | sarixe: you'll need root privs. to restart firestarter and it doesn't make it system wide |
| 20:15.57 | sarixe | moshii : i meant gnome sessions |
| 20:16.01 | twobitsprite | moshii: so, I should compress all of the random unused data on my very large disks? |
| 20:16.07 | sarixe | moshii : gksudo, then? |
| 20:16.11 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: What does dmesg show, when you plug in the USB stick? |
| 20:16.14 | unilynx | Andyw78: Acutally I tried to run GTParted and it froze |
| 20:16.14 | Zta | abrotman, ask them if this dependency also is in Debian? |
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| 20:16.28 | unilynx | Andyw78: so i closed it. that was the last thing i did |
| 20:16.32 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: This is a known bug |
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| 20:16.45 | wAndyw78 | there is a file called disable-automount |
| 20:16.59 | abrotman | Zta: ask us about debian .. ask them about ubuntu |
| 20:17.03 | moshii | sarixe: best to keep global stuff like firewalls out of your user environment |
| 20:17.09 | unilynx | Andyw78: ohh i see. so do i need to remove that then? |
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| 20:17.12 | sarixe | moshii : i'm the only user |
| 20:17.28 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: /hal/fdi/policy/gparted-disable-automount.fdi ore something |
| 20:17.33 | mz_ | having some problemes with /dev/dsp, my soundcard isn't there anymore after an unexpected reboot... any ideas on how to make it come back? |
| 20:17.34 | wAndyw78 | just delete this |
| 20:17.37 | moshii | sarixe: how does the wifi interface come up? could you not do it in /etc/network/interfaces as a post-up |
| 20:17.42 | Zta | abrotman, that's what I did. |
| 20:17.51 | unilynx | wAndyw78: Thanks a lot. I'll try that |
| 20:18.02 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: And report the result here ;-) |
| 20:18.04 | sarixe | moshii : usually networkmanager does it after i log in, and provide it with the password to the keyring |
| 20:18.15 | sarixe | moshii : because it's WPA |
| 20:18.26 | twobitsprite | moshii: seriously, I'm trying to be sassy... if dd into bzip the only reasonable way? sounds to me like it would be a waste... |
| 20:18.33 | twobitsprite | er, not trying to be sassy |
| 20:19.12 | unilynx | <wAndyw78: Hmm.. That directory or file doesn't exist. I can try and do a search for the file, would it be in another directory? |
| 20:19.20 | moshii | twobitsprite: there are probably tools out there to make compressed disk images. you're going to have to read all the data from the drive to compress is though |
| 20:19.42 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: sudo updatedb and the locate automount.fdi |
| 20:19.45 | sarixe | twobitsprite : why not just bzip an iso? |
| 20:19.54 | moshii | twobitsprite: so reading the disk and piping it to some standard compressor doesn't seem like a bad idea to me |
| 20:20.01 | unilynx | yeah, doing that now. one sec |
| 20:20.13 | twobitsprite | moshii: I was hoping there was some tool that would understand the various file systems and only read the used/allocated space... |
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| 20:20.40 | twobitsprite | sarixe: eh... I'm trying to make back-up images of harddrvies... what would I need an iso for? |
| 20:20.42 | sarixe | twobitsprite : doesn't that happen anyway? |
| 20:20.59 | sarixe | twobitsprite : well, whatever format you're using |
| 20:21.07 | twobitsprite | sarixe: dd will read all of the raw data from the disk, not just the data which is allocated and used |
| 20:21.14 | sarixe | ah, right |
| 20:21.23 | sarixe | so i guess you could find a different imager |
| 20:21.32 | sarixe | which |
| 20:21.33 | twobitsprite | i.e., if I have a 400G raid array, and I'm currently only using 40G... that's a |
| 20:21.37 | sarixe | really, is what you're saying |
| 20:21.41 | twobitsprite | _LOT_ of extra stuff |
| 20:21.43 | sarixe | yeah |
| 20:21.53 | JordiGH | If I manuall copy some dotdebs to /var/cache/apt/archives, how can I tell apt that they're there and that it should try installing them? |
| 20:22.06 | unilynx | wAndyw78: It was located here /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/gparted-disable-automount.fdi I deleted it and everything is worked perfect. Thanks! |
| 20:22.08 | zinx | Jordi: you can't. use dpkg to install them. |
| 20:22.29 | moshii | twobitsprite: maybe reads of empty areas will be faster... |
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| 20:22.34 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: I'm glad that i could help you.... |
| 20:22.48 | JordiGH | zinx: Hm. Can I just do "dpkg -i *" or is it likely it'll do it in the wrong order? |
| 20:23.02 | twobitsprite | moshii: there's no guerantee that the unallocated space will be zeroed, might just be garbage... |
| 20:23.02 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: had the same problem 3 days ago and nobody here helped me ;-) |
| 20:23.03 | geo-rge | you could |
| 20:23.05 | zinx | Jordi: i think it does some dependency resolution, not sure though |
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| 20:23.19 | JordiGH | zinx: Okay, here goes... :-/ |
| 20:23.23 | moshii | twobitsprite: to be honest unless you want to be able to restore very quickly, backup on the file level |
| 20:23.38 | geo-rge | assuming you were running that command from within a dir that contains nothing but the .deb files you want to install :) |
| 20:23.56 | unilynx | wAndyw78: Ah, that sucks. I'm glad you figured it out, for my sake! haha. So does this happen every time gtparted is loaded with you as well? |
| 20:24.02 | geo-rge | maybe better, dpkg -i *.deb |
| 20:24.19 | JordiGH | geo-rge: I hope there's no breakage involved. This may be a bad idea, since these dotdebs were for a desktop computer and I moved them to a lappy. |
| 20:24.36 | wAndyw78 | unilynx: no, I think this file should be removed on exit. But gparted crashed here, so this file was left |
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| 20:25.00 | geo-rge | "for" a desktop? |
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| 20:25.09 | unilynx | okay that makes sense then |
| 20:25.19 | geo-rge | you mean they contained device drivers specific for your desktop? |
| 20:25.40 | twobitsprite | moshii: yeah, I was hoping to have a boot cd which I could use to read the fs and back up "on the file level"... |
| 20:25.45 | geo-rge | or, |
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| 20:26.19 | twobitsprite | problem is, I have systems running on sparc, ps-risc, power, etc running hp-ux, aix, windows xp/2000/2003/vista/etc, etc, etc... |
| 20:26.19 | moshii | twobitsprite: yeah it's called mount /dev/blah /mnt ... |
| 20:26.24 | JordiGH | geo-rge: I don't know. They might. It seems to be working so far... |
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| 20:26.43 | JordiGH | Recovering from a dpkg mess is... painful. |
| 20:26.48 | twobitsprite | s/ps-risc/pa-risc |
| 20:26.50 | DexterF | ok, weasel's mirror at noreply has current TOR debs. groovy. |
| 20:26.50 | geo-rge | do you mean the desktop and the laptop have two completely different processors? (like, an intel and a cray chip (does that even exist?!)) |
| 20:27.14 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Well, the desktop doesn't have a synaptics touchpad. :-) but it looks like it's ok, so far. |
| 20:27.14 | moshii | twobitsprite: why not have the unix'ish systems rdiff somewhere overnight |
| 20:27.53 | moshii | twobitsprite: and use ntbackup or something on the windows ones to backup to an smb share on a real machine |
| 20:27.58 | geo-rge | JordiGH: it might be safe to install a package with the synaptics driver (my assumption here is the driver will discover there is none and just exit)( |
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| 20:28.25 | twobitsprite | moshii: hmm... I suppose that would work... problem then is recovery... I still need something I can boot when the drive crashes that will be able to restore those files |
| 20:28.33 | twobitsprite | and I also loose partition data |
| 20:28.37 | twobitsprite | lose* |
| 20:28.40 | JordiGH | geo-rge: It's still working... |
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| 20:28.56 | moshii | twobitsprite: yup, and it that case you just want a dd image of the drive |
| 20:29.10 | ^tristian | Howdy all - I am trying to install the 64 bit nvidia drivers - getting an error stating that glx is in incorrect ELF version (or similar).. anyone seen this before? |
| 20:29.10 | geo-rge | yeah, you're probably safe... but: are these debs for the same version of debian your lap is runngin? |
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| 20:29.35 | twobitsprite | sigh |
| 20:29.36 | wAndyw78 | moshii: a dd imaged can be gzipped... or can't it? |
| 20:29.38 | zinx | ^trist: you should isntall them via the debian packages |
| 20:29.43 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Yeah. etch, with some security updates. |
| 20:29.45 | moshii | twobitsprite: if you're worried about uncompressable junk making the images large, you could go windows 95 and use a defrag first |
| 20:30.08 | wAndyw78 | moshii: okay.. figured out... |
| 20:30.08 | JordiGH | Actually, using etch has been remarkably easy. I'm so used to using testing all the time, that the sudden stability of etch is impressive. :-) |
| 20:30.12 | zinx | ^tristian: and you have to be running a 64-bit OS to use the 64-bit drivers |
| 20:30.21 | geo-rge | JordiGH: what about the package selection... are these the .debs that you picked out somehow? |
| 20:30.29 | geo-rge | if so |
| 20:30.32 | geo-rge | you should be just fine |
| 20:30.53 | twobitsprite | er... a) this isn't my home computer which has win-95 dual booted, these are servers, b) win-95 doesn't understand the other filesystems.... c) windows doesn't run on pa-risc, sparc, power, etc... are you listening to me? |
| 20:30.54 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Yeah, I want to have more or less identical installations in the two machines. The desktop machine downloaded some security updates, which are more frequent then I had imagined. |
| 20:31.00 | twobitsprite | n/m |
| 20:31.22 | moshii | twobitsprite: I meant windows 95 sytle |
| 20:31.55 | wAndyw78 | JordiGH: are you looking for apt-cache or something? |
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| 20:32.16 | twobitsprite | moshii: can you tell me how to defrag ext3? |
| 20:32.20 | wAndyw78 | äääh, apt-proxy or apt-cacher |
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| 20:32.37 | geo-rge | ext* tries to keep itself defragged |
| 20:32.39 | moshii | twobitsprite: your "servers" should also have decent disk hardware which won't leave you with unbootable systems, but there you go |
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| 20:33.00 | moshii | twobitsprite: you can do it with ext2.. give me a second i will google it for you |
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| 20:33.12 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Well, there were problems. Ah, well. A little excitement for my otherwise dreary day. |
| 20:33.23 | twobitsprite | geo-rge: exactly, and "defragged" in ext* terms doesn't mean everything packed to the front... |
| 20:33.24 | ErichK | Hey, I updated my debian 3-4 days ago and when I tried to use it a day later, it would go to command prompt and say it can't find the nvidia module, so I ran dpkg-reconfigure xsession-xorg and fixed it, but now it's using a wierd driver, and automatix doesn't identify it as debian |
| 20:33.24 | ErichK | Any ideas? |
| 20:33.43 | zinx | ErichK: reinstall and don't use automatix |
| 20:33.48 | ^tristian | zinx, yeah I am... hmm whats the nvidia debian packages? |
| 20:33.51 | moshii | twobitsprite: it means collectiong the file together |
| 20:34.05 | zinx | !tell ^tristian about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:34.10 | JordiGH | ErichK: Yeah, I have an idea. Go to #ubuntu. |
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| 20:34.14 | zinx | !tell ErichK about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:34.17 | infinity0 | Question: is the Intel PM965 chipset compatible with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r0 Etch (amd64)? |
| 20:34.22 | geo-rge | ErichK: I often see weird drivers... I normally just change lanes and pass :) |
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| 20:34.46 | zinx | although nvidia-kernel isn't compiled for 2.6.x in sid, you'll have to use m-a for it :/ |
| 20:34.57 | moshii | twobitsprite: now, defragging xfs or other fses with brains would be silly |
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| 20:35.07 | DexterF | now that I have backports in my list - how come apt deosnt want to upgrade to kde-3.5.7 autmatically? |
| 20:35.28 | moshii | twobitsprite: ext defrag application is part of e2fsprogs btw |
| 20:35.37 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: because backports are pinned so that that doesn't happen. |
| 20:35.49 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: use aptitude or similar to select the version that you want to install |
| 20:36.28 | DexterF | twobitsprite: you can't defrag ext3. best option is tar everything to a backup system, wipe the partition and restore. ugly, but the only way. and contrary to popular belief ext3 *does* fragment, especially when you let it run full |
| 20:36.37 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: let me try to understand this... so someone would install debian (say) etch latest released... then wants somethign that is (a) newer and (b) doesm |
| 20:36.44 | geo-rge | 't want to build it themselves |
| 20:36.46 | DexterF | dondelelcaro: ah, pinning. forget about that. thanks. |
| 20:36.47 | geo-rge | so |
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| 20:37.19 | twobitsprite | DexterF: I know this, thanks... moshii is telling me that the best way to get an image of the HDD is to "defrag" it and then dd/bzip2 it... |
| 20:37.19 | moshii | DexterF: he's not really worried about that, he really wants to make disks images but is afraid they will be big because of "fs junk" |
| 20:37.36 | geo-rge | they go to backports.org, and the settings -there- are pinned and -that- causes the package to not be upgraded to the backport? |
| 20:37.38 | moshii | twobitsprite: No, I was teasing you about the defrag |
| 20:37.44 | twobitsprite | ohh, ok |
| 20:38.11 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro, or... what? :) |
| 20:38.12 | giupy | if i try ifconfig using a kernel compiled by me i recive: " warning: no inet socket available" , what i need ? |
| 20:38.30 | JordiGH | Hm, isn't there an automatic way to add the necessary configurations to the synaptics touchpad in xorg.conf, or do I have to it manually? I remember them being there automatically at some point. |
| 20:38.33 | geo-rge | internet domain sockets |
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| 20:38.50 | giupy | geo-rge: me? |
| 20:38.55 | nvz | ahh.. S l o w p o i n t e r |
| 20:38.58 | DexterF | twobitsprite: well, I usually fill the free space with zeroes before making backups with dd/bzip: simply dd from zero to a file till the part is full, then rm it. bzip's block size is small enough so even scattered zeroblocks will save space |
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| 20:39.07 | JordiGH | nvz: Yes, slow pointer. You too? |
| 20:39.16 | geo-rge | I guess your kernel was built without them, yes, you giupy |
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| 20:39.26 | nvz | the keyboard pointer.. I don't know how to speed it up |
| 20:39.28 | twobitsprite | DexterF: hm... that sounds like a solution |
| 20:39.39 | giupy | geo-rge: thanks i search them in menuconfig, really thanks |
| 20:39.46 | nvz | the mouse settings in xset don't effect the keyboard speed of controlling the cursor |
| 20:39.59 | DexterF | twobitsprite: works fine here. or have a look at... uh.. what was the name... |
| 20:40.02 | DexterF | darn |
| 20:40.07 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: of course it doesn't get upgrade. The point is to pick a specific set of packages that you want to upgrade. Backports.org has lots of packages. |
| 20:40.10 | DexterF | mondo rescue! |
| 20:40.13 | geo-rge | giupy: as long as you're doing that... take a look around and see what all is there in the networking section |
| 20:40.20 | ^tristian | zinx hm! Do you know what apt config I need to have to get nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64? |
| 20:40.32 | DexterF | omits unallocated space iirc |
| 20:40.33 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: if you want to upgrade to the newest version of everything that's in backports.org, then you want to be running testing or similar. |
| 20:40.51 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: right, but my question is where is the pinning done? at debian.org? or at backports.org? |
| 20:40.52 | zinx | ^tristian: m-a a-i nvidia should do it |
| 20:40.58 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: at backports.org |
| 20:41.10 | dondelelcaro | the default priority can be set at any mirror |
| 20:41.11 | geo-rge | so the settings come from them |
| 20:41.18 | DexterF | eww... wes craven movie on tv... disgusting... |
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| 20:42.49 | geo-rge | so if it's set up so that it won't upgrade, what are the ways to temporarily alter the priority |
| 20:42.54 | geo-rge | err hold that thought brb |
| 20:42.56 | ^tristian | zinx: looks like it's missing from my sources... hmm! |
| 20:43.11 | zinx | ^tristian: :( |
| 20:43.25 | zinx | ^tristian: which debian release? (cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 20:43.37 | ^tristian | zinx, lenny/sid |
| 20:43.45 | sysadmin | cp -al with rsnaphot takes 2 or 3 hours to complete |
| 20:44.00 | sysadmin | has anybody experienced such a problem? |
| 20:44.04 | zinx | ^tristian: i think it's missing from lenny for whatever reason |
| 20:44.05 | lynucs | how can i disable the scsi simulation for my optival IDE-drives? |
| 20:44.07 | sysadmin | debian 64 bti stable |
| 20:44.14 | ^tristian | zinx urf |
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| 20:44.40 | DexterF | lynucs: kernel version? |
| 20:44.44 | ^tristian | zinx, so roll back to etch? or up to unstable.... :-) |
| 20:44.50 | ktwilight | after doing a security upgrade on linux-image-2.6-686 would i need to reboot? |
| 20:44.54 | zinx | ^tristian: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 20:44.59 | zinx | ^tristian: yeah :/ |
| 20:45.10 | zinx | ^tristian: or find a backport somewhere somehow |
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| 20:45.30 | hardcampa_ | anyone got a link or something to a guide showing me how to upgrade to lenny from etch |
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| 20:45.52 | ktwilight | hardcampa, modify your sources.list and apt.conf |
| 20:46.02 | upro | hardcampa_: dst-upgrade? |
| 20:46.04 | hardcampa_ | ktwilight, yeah but with what? |
| 20:46.05 | lynucs | DexterF, 2.6.20-16-generic |
| 20:46.16 | DexterF | lynucs: #ubuntu :) |
| 20:46.21 | ktwilight | hardcampa, just replace etch with lenny, then apt-get update and dist-upgrade |
| 20:46.27 | hardcampa_ | sweet |
| 20:46.31 | ktwilight | you modify it with your favourite text editor |
| 20:46.32 | lynucs | DexterF, yes |
| 20:46.38 | lynucs | ;) |
| 20:46.44 | DexterF | topic ;) |
| 20:46.53 | DexterF | but 2.6 shouldn't do scsi emul anyway |
| 20:47.07 | upro | I would like to get a realtime kernel for my studio computer. O I have to compile one myself or can I find somewhere a Etch RT-kernel? |
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| 20:47.34 | lynucs | DexterF, then its something really ubuntu specific, right? |
| 20:47.51 | DexterF | lynucs: well, maybe. how did you check it emulates? |
| 20:47.58 | mick_work | hey, has anyone ever deployed a vpn in a heterogenious network? linux/mac/windows? |
| 20:48.26 | mick_work | i remember trying openswan (or was it freeswan?) a while ago and it didn't work w/ windows clients or something |
| 20:48.44 | mick_work | i guess ssh'ed vnc would kind of work - but not really |
| 20:48.52 | lynucs | DexterF, hdparm can't get any info of 3 optical drives and in dev they are as scdX |
| 20:48.55 | mick_work | i had bad experience w/ ICA in the past |
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| 20:49.13 | ShakaGoldSaint | hi all, does anyone know what i can do to make a certain script to run everytime my ip address is renewed by dhcp? |
| 20:49.22 | DexterF | lynucs: sATA or IDE? |
| 20:49.23 | mick_work | ssh'ed vnc would mean that the windows people would need to have a clue |
| 20:49.53 | lynucs | IDE |
| 20:50.11 | infinity0 | Question: are { (NVidia GEFORCE 8600GT), (Intel PM965 chipset) } compatible with Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r0 Etch (amd64)? |
| 20:50.11 | geo-rge | ShakaGoldSaint: some dhcp clients will do that |
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| 20:50.18 | geo-rge | read client docs |
| 20:50.27 | DexterF | lynucs: grep thru /etc and se |
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| 20:50.30 | DexterF | gnnnh |
| 20:50.31 | geo-rge | start with the client you're running now |
| 20:50.43 | DexterF | and see if ide-scsi is called somewhere. fresh install? |
| 20:51.01 | lynucs | DexterF, nope already longer |
| 20:51.11 | lynucs | about 2 years |
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| 20:51.29 | FordCortina | in kernel 2.6.18 are sata devices catagorised as scsi? |
| 20:51.37 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: so if it's set up so that it won't upgrade, what are the ways to temporarily alter the priority |
| 20:52.22 | geo-rge | FordCortina: I hope not :P scsi subsystem only allows 16 partitions per drive |
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| 20:52.32 | geo-rge | and I want like 50-100 |
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| 20:52.35 | jae | FordCortina: they appear as SCSI, yes (and it's "categori[sz]ed") |
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| 20:53.07 | lynucs | DexterF, you mean in the directory? only this containing scsi: netscsid.conf. nothing contains ide. |
| 20:53.18 | jae | geo-rge: you do 100 *partitions*? Be smart, use LVM... |
| 20:53.21 | ____HH__ | hi all |
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| 20:53.49 | DexterF | lynucs: lsmod lists the module? |
| 20:53.51 | geo-rge | that's unfortunately my only option right now |
| 20:54.04 | geo-rge | not that I don't LOVE lvm (I do) |
| 20:54.07 | DexterF | FordCortina: sata are always handled as scsi |
| 20:54.36 | lynucs | DexterF, scsi_mod is loaded |
| 20:54.52 | geo-rge | jae: I haven't been able to create a demo system arranged the way I want it |
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| 20:55.30 | lynucs | maybe i should switch to debian :) then i could officially enjoy help in this chan |
| 20:55.31 | DexterF | lynucs: shouldn't. check logs who loaded it and why if it tells you that. |
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| 20:55.48 | geo-rge | lynucs: at least try it and see if yo like it |
| 20:56.26 | geo-rge | if not try something else |
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| 20:56.26 | DexterF | and check /etc/modprobe.d. |
| 20:56.34 | lontra | tarzeau: ping |
| 20:56.40 | twobitsprite | lol... I just 'cat >> foo < foo' ... what fun... :P |
| 20:56.55 | DexterF | lynucs: I'm surprised nobody kicked you yet ;D hhos |
| 20:57.01 | lynucs | DexterF, since i'm not really experienced, in which logs should i see? in the var/log/messages? |
| 20:57.08 | mick_work | i'm kind of looking for an easy vpn solution where things "just work" for the win/mac clients (i don't care if work is involved w/ debian -- since you usually have a clue if you run linux) |
| 20:57.10 | DexterF | there and dmesg |
| 20:57.31 | lynucs | DexterF, ok, just a min |
| 20:57.42 | geo-rge | DexterF: I figure they can run anything they want... |
| 20:58.01 | DexterF | geo-rge: ? |
| 20:58.24 | geo-rge | with the one caveat being that folks on a particular channel might choose to not answer questions :) |
| 20:58.59 | DexterF | i help where i can. ive been on #kubuntu for three months and that place just rarely brings help... |
| 20:59.18 | chlue | Is there a way to configure the gui of aptitude to show the name/link for the repository of the different versions of a packet at the end of the packet description? I found only dokumentation to configure the single line in the packagelist. |
| 20:59.21 | DexterF | there should be #ubuntu-experts or so. ah, naw, would attract only n00b crying for help... |
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| 20:59.51 | tarzeau | lontra: pong |
| 20:59.53 | lynucs | DexterF, #ubuntu-experts = #debian :D |
| 20:59.53 | geo-rge | well, maybe that channel should have paid entry and kick after an amount of time... |
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| 20:59.59 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: you don't temporarily alter the priority. You select the version you want to upgrade to and install it |
| 21:00.09 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: you can do this trivially in aptitude or using apt-get. |
| 21:00.34 | lontra | tarzeau: are there plans to include etoile 0.2 in debian? i see that you're the maintainer for lots of gnustep & gnustep-related packages |
| 21:00.35 | DexterF | lynucs: pretty much... you only have to disguise you actually came for #ubuntu-experts... did that trick once or twice myself :D |
| 21:01.06 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: ok, cool |
| 21:01.23 | tarzeau | lontra: yes, but i'll probably pick the cvs version since the tarballs are very old |
| 21:01.27 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: experimental works in exactly the same manner |
| 21:01.31 | sparrw | after i 'apt-get source' a package and apply a patch, how do i build it as a package? |
| 21:01.43 | tarzeau | lontra: gnustep is waiting for its transition in september (check experimental and the ml for details) |
| 21:01.45 | dondelelcaro | sparrw: fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 21:01.55 | lontra | tarzeau: cool :) ... btw would you recommend that i build gnustep from scrap or use packages in sid? |
| 21:01.56 | dondelelcaro | sparrw: assuming you've installed the build dependencies, build-essential, and fakeroot. |
| 21:02.02 | tarzeau | lontra: any helping hand is welcome. go ahead if you want to do anything |
| 21:02.09 | geo-rge | so experimental is (in that sense) considered by apt-get to just be another aptable source with default pinning settings |
| 21:02.32 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: just like any package repository is |
| 21:02.34 | tarzeau | lontra: if you can't wait, do it from source. if you want to help, update the packages and contribute your work back into debian |
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| 21:02.46 | lynucs | well DexterF, i didn't find anything suspicious to me |
| 21:02.49 | sparrw | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 21:03.01 | DexterF | I guess noone ported Adept to debian...? |
| 21:03.06 | lynucs | except scsi emulation for usb mass storage devices |
| 21:03.12 | lontra | tarzeau: is it hard to make gnustep packages? or is it as easy as uupdate :)? |
| 21:03.15 | dondelelcaro | !+info adept |
| 21:03.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 21:03.18 | dpkg | adept: (package management suite for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 2.1.3 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
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| 21:03.23 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: ^^ |
| 21:03.41 | DexterF | oO |
| 21:03.59 | DexterF | only sid. mh. well. at least. |
| 21:04.03 | tarzeau | lontra: it's not hard. the transition needs some changes (it's all on the mailinglist, joining the gnustep packaging team might help) |
| 21:04.05 | DexterF | (I actually like it) |
| 21:04.10 | juso | Ok so I go to install ssh via apt-get and it asks for a cd, how do I tell it to look at mirrors/repos only? |
| 21:04.13 | lontra | DexterF: it's in testing |
| 21:04.18 | lynucs | DexterF, might it be sth with libata? |
| 21:04.20 | tarzeau | lontra: it's just me and hubert, and two more people with one package each |
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| 21:04.30 | DexterF | lynucs: fresh feisty install? |
| 21:04.30 | dondelelcaro | juso: you get rid of your cdrom source in your sources.list |
| 21:04.40 | juso | where is that located? |
| 21:04.43 | geo-rge | and then update |
| 21:04.48 | DexterF | lynucs: custom kernel? |
| 21:04.50 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.57 | lontra | tarzeau: ok ... i could try to help ... i like gnustep, especially if it frees you up to work on etoile |
| 21:05.18 | geo-rge | aren't there gnustep packages already? |
| 21:05.23 | lontra | geo-rge: yup |
| 21:05.31 | DexterF | !pinning |
| 21:05.31 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 21:05.33 | lynucs | DexterF, it's feisty, but not fresh.. upgraded some months ago from dapper |
| 21:06.02 | DexterF | lynucs: ok, ubuntu issue now - ask there, you might have some old libs |
| 21:06.11 | lynucs | DexterF, ok thank you anyway |
| 21:06.14 | DexterF | yw |
| 21:06.27 | lynucs | DexterF, really? even on #ubuntu-experts? :D |
| 21:06.35 | DexterF | heh |
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| 21:07.13 | jerbear | anyone here use gnome? i'm having a problem where my launcher icons in a panel are not staying ordered between logins |
| 21:07.23 | DexterF | do I gain anything on a k7 kernel over a 486 kernel? namely speed? mmedia system |
| 21:07.27 | abrotman | might have to save your session |
| 21:07.36 | abrotman | DexterF: a few things .. if oyu have a k7 .. use that kernel |
| 21:07.43 | sparrw | i need a large stick to beat a package maintainer with |
| 21:07.44 | DexterF | okee |
| 21:07.56 | geo-rge | jerbear: maybe your settings dir is old... maybe you're not saving your settings before logging out |
| 21:08.17 | lontra | tarzeau: what's the mailing list called? i don't see a debian-gnustep |
| 21:08.24 | abrotman | sparrw: if you can do it better ... submit patches |
| 21:08.26 | jerbear | geo-rge: i thought it saved it for you on logout |
| 21:08.28 | juso | How would I update my source.list? |
| 21:08.39 | tarzeau | lontra: did you check alioth.debian.net ? something with pkg-gnustep-something |
| 21:08.42 | abrotman | juso: aptitude update ? |
| 21:08.42 | dondelelcaro | juso: sensible-editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:08.58 | lontra | tarzeau: oh ... i'm at lists.debian.org ... i'll go look |
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| 21:09.08 | geo-rge | jerbear: had you recently upgraded some stuff? |
| 21:09.17 | sparrw | abrotman: there is no 'better', he intentionally left out and deleted certain parts of the package. i disagree with the decision, but its not like it was an accident or oversight |
| 21:09.33 | jerbear | geo-rge: nothing outside of apt |
| 21:09.50 | geo-rge | like stuff having to do with gnome maybe? |
| 21:10.00 | jerbear | geo-rge: nope |
| 21:10.32 | abrotman | sparrw: unofficial packages! |
| 21:10.53 | geo-rge | would you care to get the default user configuration and start from there? if so, would you also care to save your current config somewhere? |
| 21:11.24 | sparrw | abrotman: yeah, thats what ill have to do |
| 21:11.25 | frojnd | omg!! I accidentally run usbmgr and this program removed several programs including try to trash my kernel :S How can I restore all these programs. And where can I see the list of what this program has done, since I can't scroll up in konzole. PLEASE URGENT |
| 21:11.56 | tarzeau | frojnd: it's #debian not #emergency-911 |
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| 21:12.41 | frojnd | tarzeau: maybe but I'm bleeding here |
| 21:12.53 | DexterF | wth is usbmgr? |
| 21:13.55 | beardy | Something that manages somethign usb-related. |
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| 21:14.13 | DexterF | how would that remove programs and kill the kernel? |
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| 21:14.33 | beardy | IIRC mounts storagedevices to the same devicename if replugged. |
| 21:14.47 | beardy | Be more specific. |
| 21:15.03 | beardy | What programs, when doing what, and so on. |
| 21:16.01 | patrick-- | evening. is anyone fermiliar with "timsieved" `? |
| 21:16.43 | Gm4n | What does etch use as a firewall, and how can I turn it off (or what should I RTFM on)? |
| 21:17.15 | azeem | Gm4n: run iptables -L |
| 21:17.17 | beardy | Gm4n: iptables. How you use it is up to you. |
| 21:17.23 | azeem | Gm4n: etch doesn't run a firewall by default |
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| 21:17.49 | beardy | Gm4n: I run and recommend firehol. |
| 21:17.58 | beardy | !firehol |
| 21:18.02 | Gm4n | debian doesn't run a firewall even if it's installed with two interfaces? |
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| 21:18.17 | azeem | Gm4n: why should the number of interfaces matter? |
| 21:18.27 | beardy | How should "debian" know to what you want to use your interfaces? |
| 21:18.45 | Gm4n | I have no idea, but one of the NICs seems to be firewalled |
| 21:18.59 | Gm4n | it's a fresh install, too |
| 21:19.05 | helo | what's the easiest way to disable the persistent-net-rules udev stuff? |
| 21:19.07 | beardy | Why do you think that? |
| 21:19.13 | beardy | Is it even configured? |
| 21:19.40 | Gm4n | beardy: yes, it is configured, and I used it for some time. However, doing a port scan from the outside doesn't show anything |
| 21:20.19 | beardy | Gm4n: And what should be showing? What services are you running on the machine? |
| 21:20.29 | azeem | Gm4n: put the output of iptables -L on a pastebin |
| 21:20.30 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 21:20.30 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 21:21.14 | Gm4n | http://pastebin.ca/668451 |
| 21:21.33 | Gm4n | the machine is running sshd and pptpd |
| 21:22.16 | azeem | so no firewall |
| 21:22.23 | Gm4n | no, no firewall |
| 21:22.23 | beardy | Nope. |
| 21:22.27 | ShakaGoldSaint | geo-rge, thanks! |
| 21:22.40 | geo-rge | Gm4n: if you want you could give your ip to someone and we could try portscanning you |
| 21:22.48 | azeem | Gm4n: maybe pastebin the output of ifconfig and route as well |
| 21:22.53 | geo-rge | ShakaGoldSaint: np |
| 21:23.06 | ErikRose | What do folks do to keep dozens or hundreds of similarly-configured Debian machines up to date? |
| 21:23.06 | Gm4n | for those interested, here is the output of ifconfig: http://pastebin.ca/668455 |
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| 21:23.13 | Gm4n | I have my own servers to portscan from |
| 21:23.35 | azeem | ErikRose: FAI |
| 21:23.40 | geo-rge | are you scanning from inside or outside? |
| 21:24.00 | ErikRose | azeem: Nifty. Thanks. *googles* |
| 21:24.10 | azeem | !fai |
| 21:24.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 21:24.17 | beardy | Gm4n: What have you done since it was working, and until it wasn't, besides portscanning? |
| 21:25.40 | Gm4n | I've never tried connecting to the outside interface before |
| 21:25.52 | Gm4n | I've used the internal one several times |
| 21:26.06 | geo-rge | Gm4n: so you never found out whether that part worked or not |
| 21:26.12 | geo-rge | yes? |
| 21:26.12 | beardy | Gm4n: What sits in between your nic and the internet? |
| 21:26.31 | Gm4n | I used the external nic while installing debian |
| 21:26.39 | Gm4n | I later configured the internal one |
| 21:26.42 | geo-rge | ok, so it did work |
| 21:26.49 | geo-rge | try this: ping yahoo.com |
| 21:26.52 | Gm4n | between my nic and the internet is a switch |
| 21:27.01 | geo-rge | btw, I note you're here... so somethng must be working |
| 21:27.02 | beardy | Gm4n: A dumb one? |
| 21:27.09 | Gm4n | correct, beardy |
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| 21:27.30 | beardy | Gm4n: Is your services shown on the internal nic? |
| 21:27.36 | Gm4n | yes, they are |
| 21:27.50 | Gm4n | should I ifconfig the internal down and try pinging then? |
| 21:28.06 | azeem | Gm4n: are your routes alright? |
| 21:28.08 | geo-rge | did the ping work? |
| 21:28.22 | Gm4n | geo-rge: yes, it did, but how do I know which interface it used? |
| 21:28.27 | beardy | Gm4n: Hmm, I don't see the point if taking that down, but perhaps a takedown and up of the external? |
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| 21:28.44 | geo-rge | it used the interface connected to the "rest of the internet" |
| 21:28.47 | beardy | Gm4n: paste the output of 'route' please |
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| 21:29.12 | geo-rge | eth1 |
| 21:29.31 | Gm4n | route output: http://pastebin.ca/668459 |
| 21:29.32 | Nik | hi there, after dual boot suddenly debian dissappeared in grub....any ideas? |
| 21:30.20 | beardy | Nik: Is grub still running at all? |
| 21:30.22 | geo-rge | Nik: no... be more specific... what do you mean "suddenly"? what were you doing before "suddenly"? |
| 21:30.23 | DexterF | the grub ate it :P |
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| 21:30.59 | geo-rge | !any ideas |
| 21:30.59 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and 42 rabid dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 21:31.08 | Nik | nothing it worked for a couple of days and today only w*****s was still in the grub list |
| 21:31.25 | geo-rge | are they on separate drives? |
| 21:31.33 | beardy | Gm4n: Your route is turned around it seems? |
| 21:31.49 | Nik | no they aren't |
| 21:32.02 | geo-rge | are you in debian now |
| 21:32.03 | geo-rge | ? |
| 21:32.20 | Nik | I'm trying to use grub to find the kernel but it can't find it under /boot/grub/ |
| 21:32.36 | DexterF | Nik: grab a knoppix or other live cd, mount root, check out menu.lst. possibly reinst grub |
| 21:32.39 | geo-rge | try in /boot |
| 21:32.47 | Supaplex|roaming | Nik: grub has a find command |
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| 21:32.55 | Nik | I already tried reinstalling it |
| 21:33.02 | beardy | Gm4n: How did you get that route, did you add them yourself? |
| 21:33.23 | Nik | even overwriting the MBR (before I had it on the /boot partition) |
| 21:33.28 | DexterF | Nik: menu.lst looked alright? kernel image was there? |
| 21:33.57 | Nik | at the moment I'm in recovery mode with the debian cd |
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| 21:34.14 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell Nik -about rescue |
| 21:34.31 | Spiritus55 | If I wanted to connect to a site that only had IE on it, how would i get IE? |
| 21:34.32 | Nik | so I can enter the grub shell |
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| 21:34.39 | beardy | Gm4n: I guess it works anyway, to let you out, because that router.something, does it's thing. |
| 21:34.52 | Nik | I'm in rescue...but installing grub again doesn't help |
| 21:35.08 | Spiritus55 | If I wanted to connect to a site that only allowed IE, how could I get IE for debian?* |
| 21:35.14 | geo-rge | howbout running update-grub |
| 21:35.31 | geo-rge | or is it grub-update |
| 21:35.32 | DexterF | Spiritus55: mail the webmaster about being a clueless, gormless unwothy dick, then try wine |
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| 21:35.46 | Spiritus55 | Yeah, he really is. |
| 21:35.48 | Gm4n | beardy: no, I didn't add that route |
| 21:35.55 | Spiritus55 | Wine will lag out! |
| 21:35.57 | Spiritus55 | Gah! |
| 21:36.01 | Spiritus55 | I guess I have to now... |
| 21:36.06 | hardcampa_ | use vmware then |
| 21:36.06 | Spiritus55 | Lame webmaster. |
| 21:36.07 | DexterF | wine will what? |
| 21:36.10 | Gm4n | beardy: yes, router is the internal main router, which is in charge of my internal NIC (DHCP) |
| 21:36.13 | geo-rge | why do you need that site anyway |
| 21:36.15 | Spiritus55 | vmware? |
| 21:36.23 | hardcampa_ | run windows in vmware |
| 21:36.23 | Spiritus55 | I wanna play a game. |
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| 21:36.37 | InsomniaCity | How can I find out what version of gnutls I have? |
| 21:36.37 | Spiritus55 | The site is shimlar.org |
| 21:36.38 | Nik | DexterF: no the files misses the debian entry and locate'ing it finds it but I think it's hidden when I go to the dir itself |
| 21:36.41 | geo-rge | oh, that makes a bit more sense now |
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| 21:36.44 | Supaplex|roaming | Nik: how many drives are in your system? |
| 21:36.45 | hardcampa_ | I would ofcourse never touch/show support for that site in any way |
| 21:36.47 | Spiritus55 | And it only supports IE to play. |
| 21:36.48 | DexterF | Spiritus55: namely? (curious) |
| 21:36.56 | Nik | problem is I don't know where I can vi the file |
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| 21:37.00 | Spiritus55 | I think because of the bots people could easily code |
| 21:37.07 | Spiritus55 | Namely? What do you mean, DexterF? |
| 21:37.10 | explody | anyone know why I might suddenly be getting this when I try to build things: /lib/libc.so.6: file not recognized: File format not recognized |
| 21:37.13 | geo-rge | make one of your browsers lie and say it's ie |
| 21:37.13 | beardy | Gm4n: Why is 192.168.200.0 sent out on the same interface then? |
| 21:37.28 | explody | /lib/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.5.so |
| 21:37.30 | hardcampa_ | yeah what geo-rge says, sounds easiest |
| 21:37.41 | beardy | Gm4n: And, then your answer is not "a switch", but a router. |
| 21:37.46 | DexterF | Nik: *hidden*? there' no such thing as hidden. ls -a shows them all, you can only "hide" stuff by naming it with a trailing . and that would make a different filename |
| 21:37.54 | Gm4n | beardy: eth1 is switch, eth0 is router |
| 21:37.55 | DexterF | Spiritus55: which game? |
| 21:37.56 | beardy | and a switch, too, but quite irrelevant |
| 21:38.10 | Spiritus55 | DexterF: Shimlar.org (The name of the game is Shimlar_) |
| 21:38.12 | Gm4n | eth1 has external IP address, and eth0 has an internal DHCP address assigned by router |
| 21:38.17 | Spiritus55 | Shimlar* |
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| 21:38.28 | geo-rge | waduzido |
| 21:38.30 | jcazor | hi |
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| 21:38.41 | Nik | DexterF: how come I don't see a vmlinuz fiel in /boot/grub and when I do locate vmlinuz it gives me the /boot/grub path |
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| 21:39.11 | DexterF | Nik: becaue your locate database is outdated |
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| 21:39.21 | beardy | Gm4n: Why is the default route your internal net? Why is localnet routed to your external interface? |
| 21:39.35 | Spiritus55 | Hey, you guys wanna DDoS Shimlar.org? |
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| 21:39.44 | Nik | DexterF: so my kernel file is gone?? |
| 21:39.44 | Spiritus55 | Those bastards don't allow firefox, only IE! |
| 21:39.45 | geo-rge | Nik, run updatedb |
| 21:39.46 | beardy | !ops Spiritus55 have a look |
| 21:39.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: beardy complains about: Spiritus55 have a look |
| 21:40.08 | peterS | Spiritus55: we aren't a warez / scripts channel. take it elsewhere |
| 21:40.19 | Spiritus55 | PerterS: you know I'm only joking. |
| 21:40.25 | azeem | Spiritus55: it's no joke |
| 21:40.27 | peterS | no I don't know that |
| 21:40.27 | DexterF | Nik: run updatedb. seems you dont have a kernel fpr some reason. unless there are custom bzImages |
| 21:40.36 | Spiritus55 | You guys are a bunch of hard asses. |
| 21:40.38 | peterS | a lot of people would say the same thing and mean it |
| 21:40.40 | beardy | Joking in a place where a big lump of idiots around, is called trolling. |
| 21:40.43 | Spiritus55 | learn to laugh about stuff that's funny. |
| 21:40.46 | jcazor | i'm trying to set a router with debian, but i can't find out how to do it. i compiled the kernel with router support and i enable the ip_forward systcl parameter, can you point me out what do i have to STFG to continue? |
| 21:40.55 | azeem | Spiritus55: say something funny first |
| 21:40.55 | Nik | DexterF: I got a stage1 file |
| 21:40.59 | peterS | Spiritus55: I don't have any way of knowing whether you're a 12-year-old being serious or a 25-year-old joking |
| 21:40.59 | Supaplex|roaming | Spiritus55: I guess you're joking about the hard asses comment to huh? |
| 21:41.02 | azeem | Spiritus55: and now drop it please |
| 21:41.06 | Gm4n | beardy: I don't know. Networking isn't something I know well ;) |
| 21:41.08 | reiser2 | hi i have a question, but where i can paste an image of my Desktop ? |
| 21:41.08 | DexterF | Nik: that's all? |
| 21:41.18 | peterS | reiser2: probably imageshack.us? |
| 21:41.20 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell reiser2 -about paste |
| 21:41.32 | Gm4n | beardy: may I PM you to try and cut down on the confusion in here? |
| 21:41.32 | geo-rge | use the picpaste one |
| 21:41.32 | Sebboh | Hi. I can't find xen-linux-system packages in testing. I can only find them in stable. ?? |
| 21:41.39 | beardy | Gm4n: :) Well, it it seems strange, how that could have happened. |
| 21:41.48 | Spiritus55 | Alright, but you guys need to learn when stuff is funny. And I'm 15 and was joking (as a matter of fact). |
| 21:42.10 | Nik | DexterF: default, fat_stage1_5, minix_stage1_5 stage2 device.map, ... |
| 21:42.10 | beardy | Gm4n: Keep it in here please. Someone else might all of a sudden know how to solve your problem. |
| 21:42.12 | geo-rge | Spiritus55: you say that now :) but I digress |
| 21:42.16 | Nik | DexterF: but no vmlinuz.... |
| 21:42.21 | Gm4n | fair enough =) |
| 21:42.21 | peterS | Spiritus55: if I had any clue who you were and had seen you around before, I would probably know whether you're joking about that stuff. but I haven't, so. |
| 21:42.32 | DexterF | Nik: any bzImage? |
| 21:42.46 | Sebboh | Anyway.. |
| 21:42.47 | Nik | DexterF: no |
| 21:42.48 | Spiritus55 | *And is a huge jokester* |
| 21:42.48 | geo-rge | just relax |
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| 21:43.03 | Gm4n | beardy: when I was installing the system (I used a debian netinst disk), I chose eth1 (external NIC). I think that's why localnet is the external interface. |
| 21:43.05 | explody | Spiritus55: why don't you just fake the user agent |
| 21:43.19 | DexterF | Nik: then you're out of kernels! no clue why |
| 21:43.23 | beardy | Gm4n: That might be it yes. |
| 21:43.23 | Spiritus55 | explody: how do you know it checks the user agent? |
| 21:43.36 | Gm4n | how do I correct the localnet interface? |
| 21:43.47 | Nik | DexterF: lol..so do I have to reinstall eveything then? |
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| 21:44.01 | geo-rge | Spiritus55: right now neither of you do :) but you will when you try :) |
| 21:44.02 | explody | how else is it checking the browser, unless it's trying to load activex stuff and that's where it's coming from |
| 21:44.06 | Supaplex|roaming | Spiritus55: does the site work with ies4linux? have you atleast contacted the site to inform them IE isn't the only thing on the planet? People look the other way if you take the "2 year old whining" approach. (think how NetScape responded to IE years ago. Now see how FF is taking over.) |
| 21:44.16 | explody | but that's a lot harder than just check the user agent |
| 21:44.21 | explody | checking* |
| 21:44.22 | beardy | Gm4n: But the default route should be your external interface, now it is your internal. |
| 21:44.38 | juso | So one of our servers locked up ast night with no logs indicating anything. Anyone have an idea on where I would start to trouble shoot? |
| 21:44.39 | DexterF | Nik: no. grab a live cd like netinst or knoppix, mount your partitions in a dir like /media/debian/, then chroot there and try to reinstall a kernel |
| 21:44.39 | Gm4n | how do I change that? |
| 21:44.42 | Spiritus55 | I haven't tried ies4linux, but I'm fixing to fake my user agent and see if that makes a difference. |
| 21:45.02 | DexterF | Nik: i gtg, guess the others might help you. |
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| 21:45.24 | reiser2 | i have problems using 1440 x 900 in my WideScreen monitor, plase see http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1440x900resolutiontn7.png |
| 21:45.27 | Nik | DexterF: I tried the chroot thing (what does it exactly?) but that didn't work..hold on I'll try again |
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| 21:46.12 | reiser2 | my xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.ca/668476 |
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| 21:46.21 | Gm4n | beardy: how do I change the default route to my external interface, and my localnet to my internal interface? |
| 21:46.28 | protoloco | how can i add an ip static addres.. at boot time.. |
| 21:47.16 | Spiritus55 | Thanks to the guy who suggested switching user agents. |
| 21:47.24 | Spiritus55 | I totally forgot about doing that, and it works. |
| 21:47.27 | Spiritus55 | So far at least... |
| 21:47.33 | explody | you're welcome |
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| 21:47.45 | Sebboh | Hi. I can't find xen-linux-system packages in testing. How do install xen on testing? |
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| 21:47.51 | Nik | DexterF: What do I mount exactly ...just to be shure |
| 21:48.01 | Supaplex|roaming | Spiritus55: rage will do that to a person. :) take it easy. |
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| 21:48.14 | Nik | DexterF: the /root /swap / ? |
| 21:50.00 | reiser2 | please see the error --_> http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=errorxd2.png |
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| 21:50.07 | reiser2 | my xorg.conf http://www.pastebin.ca/668476 |
| 21:50.27 | reiser2 | all resolutions work but my screen is blur |
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| 21:51.03 | Gm4n | beardy: to correct my routing tables, do I use route or ifconfig? |
| 21:51.34 | Sebboh | reiser, pick the resolution that your monitor supports and use it, then hit the auto-tune button on the monitor? |
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| 21:51.58 | beardy | Gm4n: Can you paste /etc/network/interfaces too please? |
| 21:52.05 | beardy | Gm4n: route |
| 21:52.40 | Gm4n | beardy: http://pastebin.ca/668488 |
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| 21:53.18 | Gm4n | ah, I need to change allow-hotplug |
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| 21:55.05 | beardy | Gm4n: Well.. if it isn't being plugged in and out, yes. |
| 21:55.38 | Gm4n | beardy: http://pastebin.ca/668491 <--- updated /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:57.20 | beardy | Gm4n: You should also keep thigns separated, I mean, everything regarding eth0, next to each other. Why so many newlines? |
| 21:58.06 | Gm4n | I configured it with the GUI... -_- |
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| 21:58.56 | beardy | Gm4n: Which GUI? |
| 21:59.14 | beardy | Gm4n: A piece of advice, start using an editor, and a shell. |
| 21:59.14 | Gm4n | gnome |
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| 21:59.34 | Gm4n | yeah, I do that for things I know =D |
| 21:59.55 | beardy | If you don't do it for things you don't know, you will only know less, and never learn. |
| 22:00.26 | Gm4n | very true |
| 22:00.33 | Gm4n | so what should I be editing besides /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:00.34 | geo-rge | get someone to give you an old computer |
| 22:00.40 | geo-rge | put debian on it |
| 22:00.50 | geo-rge | and learn stupf |
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| 22:00.58 | beardy | Gm4n: There isn't an "auto eth0" either. I haven't used the allow-hotplug.. I have to read a bit, hold on. |
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| 22:01.32 | beardy | Gm4n: For reading and understanding for you aswell, 'man 5 interfaces'. 'man route' |
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| 22:01.55 | geo-rge | wow |
| 22:02.03 | geo-rge | this place is MUCH mellower |
| 22:03.11 | bloodskin | it still deletes the drive after i press ok |
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| 22:03.32 | bloodskin | ill take a screen shot and upload it to photobucket and post a link |
| 22:05.27 | bloodskin | could it be because im not assigning a serial? |
| 22:05.38 | philll | good night at all see you tomorrow :) |
| 22:06.04 | bloodskin | nope. thats not it |
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| 22:07.14 | capiira_ | hmmm hi anyone know how to change the date style system wide? |
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| 22:07.42 | azeem | capiira_: what data style? |
| 22:07.47 | mbroeker | the timezone or the date output? |
| 22:07.54 | capiira_ | output |
| 22:07.57 | capiira_ | for ls |
| 22:07.59 | azeem | oh, date |
| 22:08.01 | capiira_ | and other apps |
| 22:08.03 | azeem | d'oh, it's getting late |
| 22:08.17 | azeem | capiira_: that depends on your locale |
| 22:08.22 | capiira_ | i want to show it like "Friday, 24. Aug 2007" |
| 22:08.57 | capiira_ | ls show it as 2007-08-23 23:10 |
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| 22:09.29 | mbroeker | capiira_, write your own ls programme |
| 22:09.38 | bonez39 | anyone know of a great envelope printer that includes barcode printing? |
| 22:09.38 | capiira_ | gnome as Fri Aug 24 |
| 22:09.41 | beardy | Gm4n: You are running Debian, and not Ubuntu, right? |
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| 22:10.06 | Gm4n | beardy: correct |
| 22:10.17 | Gm4n | brand new etch install, just put it on yesterday |
| 22:10.22 | capiira_ | ahh ok i was thinking there is a system wide setting |
| 22:10.38 | azeem | capiira_: there is a system wide setting for the correct time format in your locale |
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| 22:10.47 | azeem | if you fancy something else, you'll have to patch the code |
| 22:10.50 | beardy | Gm4n: http://pastebin.ca/668516 Use that in your interfaces file isntead, and see if '/etc/init.d/networking restart' fixes it. If you are connecting from that machine though, know that it will drop your conenctions. |
| 22:10.53 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 22:11.59 | Fox_1_ | people in my server I have 1024mb memory, but in htop and in free -m it's show only 948mb. how can I tell debian that I have 1024mb memory? |
| 22:12.29 | Gm4n | beardy: so entirely remove lo from the configuration? |
| 22:12.55 | beardy | Gm4n: No! Sorry, I should have taken it all in, no, only replace your eth1 and eth0 configuration with what I pasted. |
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| 22:13.13 | beardy | Gm4n: Leave the top, and the lo configuration. |
| 22:13.28 | mbroeker | Fox, the kernel uses some buffers ( some ram ) itself. you got 948 mb ram and thats ok |
| 22:13.42 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks |
| 22:14.02 | beardy | Ehm.. |
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| 22:14.26 | beardy | It should still list his total amount. |
| 22:14.45 | beardy | Lets hope he was confused by the buffers/cache. |
| 22:15.12 | mbroeker | beardy, try dmesg | grep kern |
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| 22:16.08 | beardy | mbroeker: It takes a percentage? |
| 22:16.26 | JordiGH | Hm. I'm getting a debconf question for NIS for a domain name. Is that, like, the machine's name ("cheddar") or the internet domain in which all of these machines are ("cimat.mx")? |
| 22:16.41 | beardy | I found the amount his kernel took quite large. And much larger than what mine takes. |
| 22:16.48 | mbroeker | Memory: 516084k/524224k available (2024k kernel code, 7588k reserved, 657k data, 196k init, 0k highmem) |
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| 22:16.57 | mbroeker | i havent any percent sign in there |
| 22:17.20 | ola__ | Anybody in here have root on lvm? |
| 22:17.21 | beardy | mbroeker: No, a percentage of your total RAM as kernel buffers. |
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| 22:18.08 | beardy | mbroeker: He lost ~60MB, you and me ~10. |
| 22:18.12 | Gm4n | beardy: now I can't ssh to the machine from the local network, but it's open from the outside =) |
| 22:18.38 | beardy | Gm4n: Why do you need the allow-hotplug? |
| 22:18.46 | Gm4n | I didn't do that |
| 22:18.52 | Gm4n | the GUI must have |
| 22:18.54 | mbroeker | JordiGH, NIS is something like yellow pages. it has nothing to do with dns names. its a virtual "domain name" for accessing private data / private to the connected pcs |
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| 22:19.03 | beardy | Gm4n: Yes, you did. Or well, the GUI, yes, so what shouldn't we use from now on? |
| 22:19.20 | beardy | Gm4n: Ok, change that line to 'auto eth0ä instead. |
| 22:19.29 | beardy | Gm4n: 'auto eth0' |
| 22:19.42 | JordiGH | mbroeker: So "cheddar"? Or whatever I want? |
| 22:20.21 | bloodskin | http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e106/novus-natio/Screenshot-1.png can someone help me identify the problem in that image? specifficly the winecfg window |
| 22:20.33 | mbroeker | JordiGH, as long as all pcs in your subnet share the name, it doesnt matter at all. pc1 uses nis domain "HELLYES" and all other machines in that "HELLYES" domain share it |
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| 22:21.01 | beardy | mbroeker: FYI, Memory: 252496k/262144k available (1502k kernel code, 9108k reserved, 601k data, 256k init, 0k highmem) |
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| 22:21.45 | JordiGH | mbroeker: Got it, thanks. |
| 22:21.45 | beardy | mbroeker: So I found it strange if his is taking 76MB. Oh well. |
| 22:22.05 | MaximusBrood` | Just installed my server providers Debian basic install. Nothing wrong with it, but it's in Dutch (I'm Dutch, but I like English a bit better). Is it possible to change the language after install? |
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| 22:22.23 | beardy | !locales |
| 22:22.23 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 22:22.24 | mbroeker | beardy, well. sounds strange. maybe a detection error on his machine? |
| 22:22.30 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: ^^^ |
| 22:22.48 | MaximusBrood` | Alright, thanks |
| 22:23.04 | beardy | mbroeker: Perhaps, or, he was confused by the buffers/cache information of 'free'. |
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| 22:23.26 | SpeedyG | MaximusBrood`: next time choose english as install language ;) (dat werkt beter :P) |
| 22:23.28 | mbroeker | beardy, there is a mem kernel option |
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| 22:23.53 | beardy | mbroeker: Yes. But he was happy and quit immediately ;) |
| 22:23.59 | MaximusBrood` | SpeedyG: That's the problem, I didn't install it :P. |
| 22:24.12 | SpeedyG | ah :) |
| 22:24.22 | MaximusBrood` | beardy: Which character set should I choose, ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8? |
| 22:24.26 | Gm4n | beardy: now it's swapped again |
| 22:24.29 | dondelelcaro | MaximusBrood`: yeah, in this case you can usually just export LANG=C and/or LANGUAGE=C and be done with it |
| 22:24.34 | dondelelcaro | MaximusBrood`: UTF-8 |
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| 22:24.53 | beardy | Gm4n: No, don't swap.. both should be 'auto eth?'. |
| 22:24.58 | JordiGH | One Code To Rule Them All. |
| 22:25.09 | Gm4n | I didn't swap them, I mean the working one is switched |
| 22:25.12 | xero9364 | and one code to bind them |
| 22:25.18 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: That depends. I think the default in Debian now is UTF-8. |
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| 22:25.35 | JordiGH | beardy: It is. In the land of Debian, where shadows lie. |
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| 22:26.01 | beardy | Sarge waS iso, wans't it? |
| 22:26.18 | JordiGH | beardy: Yep. |
| 22:26.24 | dondelelcaro | beardy: by default, but both worked. |
| 22:26.30 | Gm4n | beardy: is this correct for the interfaces? http://pastebin.ca/668536 |
| 22:26.31 | JordiGH | beardy: But that was before the One Code was properly forged. |
| 22:26.51 | Budweiser | i need open mi port ssh |
| 22:26.58 | beardy | dondelelcaro: Of course. Probably worked fine in woody too. |
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| 22:27.03 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: yeah, that looks fine |
| 22:27.20 | Gm4n | then why does the ssh server only work on the internal network interface? |
| 22:27.27 | RAHSPUTIN | Hi. I would like my Orinoco Gold Classic Card to be reconized as IEEE 802.11g instead of b, with what command or config must i do so? |
| 22:27.37 | beardy | Gm4n: Yes. Then, restart networking again. |
| 22:27.43 | jonathanpoon | hey guys, anyone here use xmanager? |
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| 22:28.31 | beardy | !anyone use |
| 22:28.31 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:28.36 | JordiGH | !anyone |
| 22:28.36 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:28.50 | RAHSPUTIN | i did iwconfig and it show that it is b but it can also do g |
| 22:29.00 | beardy | You'll have better luck asking a question which states your problem, some information around it, and what is happening, or not. |
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| 22:29.24 | Sebboh | What is the difference between this package: xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-686 and this one: xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 ? |
| 22:29.26 | happy_broccoli | i try to install things and it wants to uninstall util-linux... why??!? http://pastebin.com/m4171790f |
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| 22:29.39 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: -vserver |
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| 22:29.47 | Sebboh | dondelelcaro, thx |
| 22:29.52 | beardy | Heh |
| 22:30.05 | MaximusBrood` | The only locale I can choose in the list is nl_NL.UTF8. I assume en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 is in there by default. Can I safely edit /etc/locale.gen to en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8? |
| 22:30.16 | Sebboh | Is one of those for dom0 and one for domU? |
| 22:30.23 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: Do as we said? |
| 22:30.25 | beardy | !locales |
| 22:30.26 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 22:30.30 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: no, one of those is for not-vserver and one of them is for vserver. |
| 22:30.55 | dondelelcaro | Sebboh: http://linux-vserver.org/Welcome_to_Linux-VServer.org |
| 22:31.02 | MaximusBrood` | beardy: Just said it to you. "The only locale I can choose in the list is nl_NL.UTF8". English is not in the list if I use the config tool dpkg-reconfigure locales. |
| 22:31.43 | dondelelcaro | err, not that. http://www.linuxvirtualserver.org/ <-- this. |
| 22:32.11 | juso | Anyone know off hand how I can redirect everything in avirtual host to a maintenance page? |
| 22:32.13 | juso | in apache |
| 22:32.16 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: No other locale for you to choose, to generate? |
| 22:32.34 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: Have you run purge-locales, or isntalled it, or what you do, when doing that.. |
| 22:32.42 | Sebboh | ... ok dondelelcaro. Thanks. |
| 22:32.42 | beardy | localepurge |
| 22:33.05 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: Soudns strange. |
| 22:33.27 | dondelelcaro | heh. actually, I was right the first time |
| 22:34.14 | JordiGH | Awesome, Debian's NIS has its own howto. No need to muck around with 7-year-old HOWTOS from tldp. |
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| 22:34.38 | MaximusBrood` | beardy: I can choose a character set in the first screen, so I choose "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8". Then it asks me (in Dutch) to pick a locale, the only options are "Geen" (none) and "nl_NL.UTF-8". |
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| 22:35.29 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: The first selection is, the locale to generate, to have it avaialble in the second list, to choose from. |
| 22:35.38 | JordiGH | Btw, I've always wondered something about gzipped docs in /usr/share/doc. Is there a way to unzip them in place and send them to no matter what application? I always end up copying them to ~ or to /tmp, unzipping there and reading them if they're not text. |
| 22:36.43 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: But.. as that is the default (I guess) you can select none, and have the same effect. Though, locales for en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 should either be generated or selectable.. |
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| 22:38.29 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: "None" will give you english anyway. I have to check that myself, about that locale. |
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| 22:39.07 | MaximusBrood` | beardy: If I select none, I still get Dutch. Anyway, I manually entered "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" in /etc/locales.gen and ran the dpkg-reconfigure locales tool again. Now everything is in shiny English :) |
| 22:39.11 | MaximusBrood` | Thanks for your help. |
| 22:39.46 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: Ok. Are you running etch? |
| 22:40.15 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: I already had en.US selectable, None, and swedish, which I have generated for my own user. |
| 22:40.31 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: That's good then. Though a bit strange. |
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| 22:41.37 | Gm4n | beardy: I don't get it... I rebooted again, but still, the external NIC is filtered, while the internal is up and running |
| 22:41.51 | beardy | Gm4n: Rebooted!? |
| 22:42.08 | MaximusBrood` | beardy: No, I'm running Sarge. |
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| 22:42.29 | Gm4n | beardy: yeah, because then I'm sure I didn't forget to restart something =) |
| 22:43.52 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: Is there a reason to not upgrade to the current stable? |
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| 22:44.47 | beardy | Gm4n: Is your routes the same? |
| 22:47.49 | Gm4n | beardy: http://pastebin.ca/668561 |
| 22:49.04 | Nik | s |
| 22:49.23 | beardy | Gm4n: I have to go, sorry. But, 'man route', you need to delete "default router.kehillah 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0" and "localnet * 255.255.255.248 U 0 0 0 eth1" |
| 22:49.28 | Nik | how do you copy libraries to a directory to be able to chroot |
| 22:49.53 | MaximusBrood` | beardy: If you ask that, it's time for my stupid-questions round: I can just upgrade to etch from sarge right? |
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| 22:50.12 | sontek | Whats the best nameserver/dns server for debian? Should I setup BIND or something like djbdns |
| 22:50.27 | Spiritus55 | Hey, I have a question. |
| 22:50.49 | MaximusBrood` | beardy: Nevermind. I'll stop bothering you :) |
| 22:50.57 | Spiritus55 | Debian seems to be randomly adding "%c" in places.. |
| 22:51.20 | Spiritus55 | Such as: when I load Iceweasel, the homepage is opened up as "http://%c.com" |
| 22:51.27 | bloodskin | how do i add myself to the sudoers file |
| 22:51.36 | Spiritus55 | And I loaded ktorrent and it said "/home/spiritus55/%c is not readable" |
| 22:51.44 | beardy | MaximusBrood`: Read the topic, ask dpkg about sarge->etch :) |
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| 22:52.37 | happy_broccoli | i try to install things and it wants to uninstall util-linux... why??!? http://pastebin.com/m4171790f |
| 22:53.34 | Spiritus55 | Hey, anyone know what could be happening? |
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| 22:55.05 | gkiagia | happy_broccoli: use aptitude instead |
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| 22:56.07 | happy_broccoli | gkiagia: how is that a solution.ive been using apt-get for 7 years. i know nothing about that |
| 22:56.27 | MaximusBrood` | Oh wow, language dance. While upgrading you get a few questions. The explaination is in English, the summarized question is in Dutch, and I have to answer Yes or No. |
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| 22:57.06 | gkiagia | happy_broccoli: it just happens I don't know why but it seems aptitude handles dependencies better than apt-get |
| 22:57.46 | gkiagia | I have solved many problems like that using aptitude |
| 22:57.54 | streuner | happy_broccoli: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 22:59.39 | happy_broccoli | streuner: streuner> happy_broccoli: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:59.55 | happy_broccoli | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:00.14 | streuner | show us your sources.list in paster bot then |
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| 23:00.55 | happy_broccoli | streuner: http://pastebin.com/m3af64c5a |
| 23:01.28 | OpenGL | Dog cigars. |
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| 23:01.37 | streuner | so you trying to upgrade from etch to lenny, right? |
| 23:01.55 | happy_broccoli | streuner: i think inherited the machine from somoeone. i didnt do that |
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| 23:02.27 | happy_broccoli | streuner: i'd prefer to be in testing, not stable |
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| 23:02.45 | streuner | with this sources.list you are using lenny/testing stuff on a etch/stable box and wondering why you get errors? |
| 23:03.01 | GuySoft | hello all, is there a way to log the CPU temperature in linux? i have the sensor working, what i need is some kind of damon. |
| 23:03.06 | sdondley | hello, my mysqld won't start, no error message just "failed". where do I begin to find the cause. everything was working fine until I tried backing up a db, then mysqld crashed. No it won't start. |
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| 23:04.05 | happy_broccoli | streuner: should i do a dist-upgrade and all is ok? |
| 23:04.46 | streuner | well, i have no idea, but keep in mind testing isn't stable... |
| 23:05.09 | happy_broccoli | streuner: testing is stable enough for me. so what do you mean you have no idea? |
| 23:05.29 | streuner | i cannot give you warranty about ;-) |
| 23:05.45 | Spiritus55 | Is there a program that I could use to sync my iPod in debian? |
| 23:05.52 | Spiritus55 | Or rather just linux in general. |
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| 23:06.18 | streuner | GuySoft: sensor stuff logs usually into /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages |
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| 23:06.25 | happy_broccoli | streuner: but if i do a dist-upgrade. will it stop trying to uninstall util-linux? |
| 23:06.26 | sdondley | hello, my mysqld won't start, no error message just "failed". where do I begin to find the cause. everything was working fine until I tried backing up a db, then mysqld crashed. Now it won't start. |
| 23:06.54 | Gm4n | how do I remove the localnet entry from my routing table? |
| 23:06.56 | streuner | happy_broccoli: no idea, but util-linux is still in unstable/sid, so i guess its in testing as well... |
| 23:07.30 | streuner | !info util-linux testing |
| 23:07.35 | dpkg | util-linux: (Miscellaneous system utilities), section utils, is required. Version: 2.12r-19 (lenny), Packaged size: 363 kB, Installed size: 992 kB |
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| 23:08.01 | Spiritus55 | Hey, could someone get to my question? |
| 23:08.10 | GuySoft | streuner, i carnt find anything there |
| 23:08.11 | Spiritus55 | Please? |
| 23:08.15 | Gm4n | Spiritus55: I would, if I knew |
| 23:08.24 | Spiritus55 | Alright, anyone else? |
| 23:08.27 | azeem | Spiritus55: rhythmbox does ipod syncing these I think |
| 23:08.32 | Gm4n | !anyone |
| 23:08.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 23:08.51 | Spiritus55 | Thank you. |
| 23:08.55 | azeem | Spiritus55: otherwise, did you try apt-cache search ipod? |
| 23:08.56 | GuySoft | streuner, isnt there some logging application, i would expect some one to write a nice one, with graphs showing the temperature.. |
| 23:08.58 | Spiritus55 | But, It was a question. |
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| 23:09.02 | Spiritus55 | To anyone. |
| 23:09.13 | GuySoft | .. if not, i guess i can try writing one myself next week... |
| 23:09.15 | Spiritus55 | Not "does anyone use a program that can sync an ipod".. |
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| 23:10.31 | Gm4n | fair enough |
| 23:11.35 | streuner | GuySoft: uhm, it was smartmontools what i had in mind... |
| 23:12.13 | karsten | streuner: How's smartmontools for dealing with SATA these days? |
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| 23:12.32 | streuner | karsten: dunno, i don't have SATA |
| 23:12.55 | GuySoft | streuner, i am apt-getting it now.. what is it exacly? |
| 23:13.01 | simonrvn | karsten: presumably like scsi ...? |
| 23:13.25 | enouf | karsten: i hear it's fine, just usb might be a bit funky still |
| 23:13.39 | streuner | GuySoft: you want CPU temp., smartmontools is for HD's... |
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| 23:13.54 | GuySoft | streuner, yes.. apt-get remove now :( |
| 23:14.04 | enouf | karsten: (i coulld be mistaken, but don't think so) |
| 23:14.18 | streuner | GuySoft: look into the docs of "lm-sensors" |
| 23:15.03 | Gm4n | Why, when I try "route delete localnet" do I get "SIOCDELRT: Invalid argument"? |
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| 23:15.30 | GuySoft | sensord! |
| 23:15.38 | GuySoft | found something |
| 23:15.50 | Gm4n | sounds like a pun on censored |
| 23:15.56 | enouf | karsten: http://linux-ata.org/software-status.html#smart |
| 23:16.08 | GuySoft | Gm4n, could be worse.. |
| 23:16.23 | GuySoft | it needs librrd2 also |
| 23:16.38 | EmeraldCat | I'm running a Window Manager (WMaker) and the default font for webpages in FireFox is too small. Do I change this in .gtkrc-2.0? |
| 23:17.19 | nvz | check about:config |
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| 23:17.59 | EmeraldCat | ? |
| 23:18.13 | EmeraldCat | I using FireFox 1.5 |
| 23:18.15 | semprix | evolution sucks |
| 23:18.33 | nvz | I using a box fan |
| 23:18.44 | nvz | what's that got to do with anything |
| 23:18.46 | karsten | enouf: Thanks |
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| 23:19.32 | enouf | karsten: np, note; i haven't looked at our debian pkg or changelogs for smartmontools in any detail |
| 23:19.50 | semprix | icedove is faster than evolution you guys think so? |
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| 23:20.11 | EmeraldCat | nvz, What am I looking for in about:config? |
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| 23:20.31 | nvz | I figured you knew what you were looking for, I just suggested a place to look |
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| 23:21.02 | nvz | since you already suggested the first place I'd suggest |
| 23:21.34 | semprix | i love evolutions interface but the loading is really slow |
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| 23:22.45 | dkr | semprix: yeah, it takes very large timescales for evolution to work. ;) |
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| 23:22.52 | lex | One wonders. |
| 23:23.00 | dkr | (unless you have a very short lifespan) |
| 23:23.07 | nvz | I like to interface slowly at times |
| 23:23.17 | dkr | TMI |
| 23:23.21 | lex | Is mister Rene Engelhard arround? |
| 23:23.28 | streuner | no |
| 23:23.45 | streuner | lex: what do you want from him? |
| 23:23.59 | lex | Well... its a question about openclipart-openoffice |
| 23:24.09 | streuner | package problem? |
| 23:24.10 | lex | Id like to know how he "does it" |
| 23:24.18 | lex | No, not really. More like curiosity. |
| 23:24.27 | semprix | dkr, yeah well ill stick to thunderbird then |
| 23:24.50 | streuner | lex: try #debian-oo (OFTC) |
| 23:25.16 | lex | streuner, OH ... we have that one.... thanks! |
| 23:26.10 | nvz | its openclipart-openoffice.org |
| 23:26.51 | lex | I just would like to know how does he get arround to generating the needed oo.o "special" files from the upstream openclipart package. My real itch is not debian related to tell you the truth, but I know who knows how to do the stuff! |
| 23:27.01 | lex | nvz, true |
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| 23:29.20 | protoloco | hey.. |
| 23:29.36 | protoloco | what are the packages for nx (manage remote machines) |
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| 23:30.16 | streuner | nx isn't in Debian... |
| 23:30.37 | lex | protoloco, hey, ive seen that face arround. Hi, alex here... and then thats that cause we cant flood the channel. |
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| 23:32.07 | protoloco | lex, which alex? |
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| 23:32.50 | EmeraldCat | nvz, I think the small default fonts are a gtk, not FireFox problem, since everything displays Ok when I'm in GNOME. |
| 23:33.01 | protoloco | <streuner> nx isn't in Debian... <-- :( |
| 23:33.09 | streuner | sure |
| 23:33.10 | streuner | !nx |
| 23:33.10 | dpkg | from memory, nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 23:33.23 | lex | protoloco, Borges. |
| 23:33.24 | JordiGH | Hm. This can't be right. ypbind is trying to bind a server, but ypbind is running *on* the supposed server. :-/ |
| 23:34.10 | JordiGH | EmeraldCat: The small fonts are almost always fixed for me by specifying the right monitor geometry in xorg.conf. Google around for help. |
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| 23:34.48 | JordiGH | nvz: Oh, and if you're using KDE, there's also some package to make gtk obey KDE rules. Something like gtk-qt (apt-cache search for it) |
| 23:34.55 | JordiGH | EmeraldCat: ^^ |
| 23:35.19 | JordiGH | !info gtk-qt-engine |
| 23:35.23 | dpkg | gtk-qt-engine: (theme engine using Qt for GTK+ 2.x), section kde, is optional. Version: 1:0.8~svn-rev36-2 (sid), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
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| 23:35.45 | nvz | EmeraldCat: right being that every gnome app is written in gtk that makes perfect sense |
| 23:36.19 | JordiGH | Am I offering advice about stuff I should best be quiet about? |
| 23:36.24 | nvz | na |
| 23:36.29 | nvz | thats interesting |
| 23:36.34 | EmeraldCat | I am using WindowMaker. |
| 23:36.40 | nvz | more interesting than what I am doing |
| 23:36.50 | nvz | trying to get sane to work with windows |
| 23:36.59 | mbroeker | i am not using windowmaker :) |
| 23:37.00 | JordiGH | EmeraldCat: Try specifying monitor geometry in xorg.conf |
| 23:37.15 | Gm4n | why won't route delete work on some of my routing tables? |
| 23:37.57 | streuner | !wb gravity |
| 23:37.57 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! gravity has returned! |
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| 23:38.19 | gravity | Thanks |
| 23:38.32 | kc8hfi_ | anyone ever worked with configuring a debian box to use ldap for authentication? |
| 23:38.35 | JordiGH | Wow, that's quite an enthusiastic dpkg. |
| 23:38.46 | nvz | yay lots of errors.. I saw that one comming a mile away |
| 23:38.50 | streuner | gravity: so bad that wb (rude) doesn't exist here, but it wouldn't fit for you anyways ;-) |
| 23:38.57 | gravity | heh |
| 23:39.12 | EmeraldCat | JordiGH, I seriously doubt that will help. Besides, my monitor geometry was autodetected and set during initial install, so it should be correct. This is a GTK problem. |
| 23:39.22 | nvz | oh well I guess I gotta go down and get on the network so I can test this twain sane deal out |
| 23:39.27 | JordiGH | EmeraldCat: Trust me on this one. ;-) |
| 23:39.32 | JordiGH | EmeraldCat: Just try it. |
| 23:39.38 | streuner | gravity: well, you should know about wb(rude), you unterstand then... |
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| 23:40.48 | JordiGH | EmeraldCat: X renders fonts based on monitor geometry. Perhaps GTK is giving X extra clues on how to render the fonts that Windowmaker isn't, so you'll have to supply the clues yourself in xorg.conf |
| 23:41.09 | base3 | i have swapped out my cdrom drive for a cdrw, but it hasn't been recognised (using etch, with 2.6 kernel) how can I install the new drive?? |
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| 23:41.31 | JordiGH | base3: Does the BIOS see it? |
| 23:41.34 | nvz | Windowmaker is old as dirt and not got any interesting features |
| 23:41.53 | nvz | if you are gonna deal with outdated wms, sawfish is at least worth it |
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| 23:41.58 | adv3cate | would it be considered abnormal if dhclient was able to obtain a dhcp lease even when all netfilter default chain policies were set to DROP? |
| 23:42.47 | freenot | i need to install the latest Ruby (1.8.6) on my Debian Etch, it worth messing with testing packages or just install via source? |
| 23:42.50 | cafuego | base3: Check the jumper settings, make sure it's not a 2nd matser or slave on a single bus. |
| 23:43.09 | adv3cate | because it certainly surprised me |
| 23:44.19 | stoned | hi |
| 23:44.23 | stoned | whats up people of the debian |
| 23:44.50 | JordiGH | Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, but a NIS server shouldn't be attempting to run ypbind, right? |
| 23:45.01 | streuner | we expected YOU, because life is so boring WITHOUT YOU :-P |
| 23:45.01 | protoloco | lex, Check my query :) |
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| 23:45.13 | blahdeblah | Hi. I have a backports kernel failing to build an initrd on sarge: http://rafb.net/p/lPNZEk85.html - any ideas? |
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| 23:45.53 | adv3cate | because now I'm trying to figure out a way to make dhclient unsuccessful, and I'm not coming up with much. |
| 23:46.03 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:49.53 | Huey | do the latest debian kernels prevent stack smashing applications from working successfully? |
| 23:50.02 | maux | hi, i am using sid. since when i dist-upgraded, totem stopped to function ok. it now only shows a green screen where it should be showing the videos |
| 23:50.08 | maux | what should i do to fix? |
| 23:50.12 | JordiGH | maux: Don't use sid. :-) |
| 23:50.24 | JordiGH | maux: Send a bugreport, see if someone already has one... |
| 23:50.40 | dkr | Doctor, it hurts when I do this. |
| 23:51.58 | base3 | JordiGH: it works as a cdrom, but not as a cdwriter |
| 23:52.06 | Spiritus55 | Hey, what is the command to change the volume label of a disk? |
| 23:52.14 | Spiritus55 | I wanna change the label of my iPod. |
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| 23:53.33 | Gm4n | Hmm, I'd like to know that too =) |
| 23:53.37 | JordiGH | Spiritus55: fdisk? |
| 23:53.47 | dkr | Spiritus55: tune2fs |
| 23:53.50 | Spiritus55 | You can change the label of a disk with fdisk? |
| 23:54.00 | JordiGH | Spiritus55: Guess not. :-/ |
| 23:54.10 | dkr | tune2fs -L newlabel to be precise |
| 23:54.16 | Spiritus55 | tune2fs? |
| 23:54.23 | Spiritus55 | Oh, alright. |
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| 23:54.24 | dkr | and device, obviously |
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| 23:55.18 | biz | when changing a nic's hw-addr using macchanger, is this a constant change or just until next poweroff? |
| 23:55.30 | Gm4n | until poweroff, I thikn |
| 23:55.54 | dkr | i think so too, original mac is hard coded |
| 23:56.02 | dkr | (in device firmware) |
| 23:59.27 | Spiritus55 | tune2fs -L newlabel is for ext2 and 3 filesystems. |
| 23:59.30 | Spiritus55 | I have a fat32. |
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| 23:59.38 | Spiritus55 | Is there a label changer for fat32 |
| 23:59.39 | Spiritus55 | ? |
| 23:59.49 | dmilith | what for?;} |
