| 00:00.12 | Spiritus55 | Because gtkpod is pretty retarded. |
| 00:00.26 | Spiritus55 | It only scans for the default name of ipods "/media/ipod" |
| 00:00.34 | Spiritus55 | When mine is "/media/IQUIT" |
| 00:00.45 | jelly-home | Spiritus55: um, mlabel? |
| 00:00.54 | jelly-home | part of mtools |
| 00:01.06 | Spiritus55 | mlabel? |
| 00:01.13 | Spiritus55 | Is that pre-installed? |
| 00:01.18 | jelly-home | definite no. |
| 00:01.24 | nvz | no that would make you retarded |
| 00:01.35 | nvz | gtkpod definatly has a configuration dialog |
| 00:01.43 | nvz | and you can change the device name |
| 00:02.01 | nvz | because my friends shuffle was /media/IPOD and it was set to /media/ipod |
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| 00:02.07 | jelly-home | come on, his label _needs_ the change |
| 00:02.11 | nvz | I had to change it |
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| 00:02.38 | Spiritus55 | What would be the format for mlabel drive change? |
| 00:02.51 | kc8hfi_ | any good docs somehere about configuring debian to use ldap for authentication? |
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| 00:02.54 | jelly-home | mtools are funny. best to rtfm |
| 00:03.06 | JordiGH | kc8hfi_: Tried /usr/shar/doc yet? |
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| 00:03.40 | Spiritus55 | I didn't see the config thing on gtkpod, thanks to nvz |
| 00:03.46 | kc8hfi_ | JordiGH: been hunting there, I think I may have a pam config problem, but not real sure yet... |
| 00:04.15 | JordiGH | kc8hfi_: Sorry, I don't know anything further on the subject. Just thought I'd try with the obvious answers first. :-) |
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| 00:04.35 | kc8hfi_ | JordiGH: those were just the ldap utils... |
| 00:04.52 | nvz | usually when someone isn't too busy saying how gay or retarded things are, they look for that kind of thing |
| 00:05.14 | kc8hfi_ | JordiGH: I think we're so close to making it work, but dont' know where or what to do now... |
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| 00:07.33 | jelly-home | nvz: it's nice to be gay |
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| 00:07.48 | Gm4n | can someone help me fix my routing table? I messed it up, and I don't know what should be in it. |
| 00:08.25 | jelly-home | Gm4n: easiest thing to do can be to do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:08.33 | JordiGH | jelly-home: If homosexuality is a disease, can I kill in sick to work? |
| 00:08.53 | jelly-home | JordiGH: who said anything about homosexuality? |
| 00:09.04 | JordiGH | jelly-home: You said it's nice to be gay. :-) |
| 00:09.08 | hatter | JordiGH, are you sure you are homosexual ? |
| 00:09.14 | jelly-home | JordiGH: and you better not kill in to work |
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| 00:09.33 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yeah, the opposite of sad |
| 00:09.50 | JordiGH | Anyways, we're getting offtopic. |
| 00:09.57 | JordiGH | hatter: I'm more a bash.org enthusiast. |
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| 00:10.29 | hatter | which should i use to replace my qmail boxes, postfix or exim ? |
| 00:10.50 | hatter | considering i haven't used either |
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| 00:11.08 | hatter | postfix is now part of etch isnt it ? |
| 00:11.09 | jelly-home | I'd vote postfix |
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| 00:11.30 | jelly-home | um... it's been in the distro for quite some time |
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| 00:11.45 | hatter | jelly-home, i had a though that it wasnt in sarge... |
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| 00:12.11 | hatter | but like everything, i use what i know, which has been qmail |
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| 00:12.20 | jelly-home | hatter: I use it on sarge machines... so it's there. |
| 00:12.24 | hatter | ok |
| 00:13.22 | jelly-home | hatter: I'm just transferring a Mailman installation from qmail on solaris, to postfix on linux |
| 00:13.44 | hatter | anyone had experience with dell as a company ? I have been buying boxes for servers from the local pc shop, but i am considering dell |
| 00:14.14 | hatter | jelly-home, retiring the solaris box ? |
| 00:14.36 | simonrvn | stick with local |
| 00:14.55 | simonrvn | imo |
| 00:15.27 | stray_ | dell is one of the favorites of the corporate and schoolastic IT depts. |
| 00:15.47 | JordiGH | hatter: Ubuntu boxen? |
| 00:16.00 | stray_ | corporate and schools get a price break on volume of course. |
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| 00:16.27 | hatter | JordiGH, yes, my worry is the local computer shop is on its 3rd owner, whilst a little cheaper, dell will deliver and probably be there longer |
| 00:16.56 | simonrvn | hatter: oh that changes things then |
| 00:16.56 | mbroeker | well JordiGH i am not a gay. i am not passive. i am tired and want to sleep now... |
| 00:16.58 | hatter | i have always hated the dells and compaqs, but i am getting older now... :) |
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| 00:17.10 | kc8hfi_ | JordiGH: thanks for the help with ldap anyway |
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| 00:17.19 | JordiGH | kc8hfi_: I didn't help. Sorry. :-/ |
| 00:17.31 | simonrvn | #ldap |
| 00:17.32 | jelly-home | hatter: no, just separating the lists |
| 00:17.33 | cafuego | Dell had better be there longer, their hardware has a habit of breaking. |
| 00:17.40 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 00:17.54 | JordiGH | Sick of Dell? Buy a mac. :-( |
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| 00:18.10 | hatter | cafuego, you have bad h/w experiences ? |
| 00:18.21 | simonrvn | pegasos ? :P |
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| 00:18.56 | hatter | cafuego, hmmm,, there was that battery problem.... |
| 00:18.59 | simonrvn | cafuego: find all the working bits and make a couple of working ones :P |
| 00:19.02 | hatter | KABOOM !! |
| 00:19.05 | jelly-home | dell servers != dell craptops |
| 00:19.06 | cafuego | No, this was a mainboard and keyboard problem |
| 00:19.29 | cafuego | Each of those has had the mobo replaced up to 3 times and the keyboard up to 4 times. |
| 00:19.37 | simonrvn | ugh |
| 00:19.43 | cafuego | I bet you Dell never made a net profit on any of them. |
| 00:19.47 | GullyFoyle | i build all my own desktops, if only building laptops was as easy... |
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| 00:19.53 | hatter | whoa, though i wouldnt buy a laptop by mail order... |
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| 00:20.10 | simonrvn | GullyFoyle: yeh, i'd would love to customise one |
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| 00:20.39 | hatter | does the dell next day service warranty really work ? |
| 00:20.51 | cafuego | yep |
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| 00:21.06 | cafuego | except you get a "remanufactured" rplacement componennt |
| 00:21.19 | hatter | they do give a 3yr wty also |
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| 00:21.25 | Sebboh | What package is responsible for jacking with my tab-completion in bash? If I type dpkg -S /boot/xen<tab> I get completion, but if I type dpkg -A /boot/xen<tab> I get nothing. What, bash knows the difference between -A and -S ??! |
| 00:21.36 | enveezee | anyone have a reference for setting up a sane server in debian? |
| 00:21.40 | cafuego | which may not be all bad, one of the laptops ended up with a nicer on-board ATI chip than the model was supposed to have ;-) |
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| 00:21.57 | hatter | cafuego, its just the downtime that sux |
| 00:21.57 | Kaiten4 | Sebboh: exactly, I had a problem earlier with tar |
| 00:22.04 | simonrvn | cafuego: if it's as good or better ... ;) |
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| 00:22.27 | jelly-home | Sebboh: it does. /etc/bash_completion* |
| 00:22.31 | cafuego | hatter: Yeah. Well, th service guy usually came in the afternoon on the next day. Around coffee time. Hmmm. |
| 00:22.42 | cafuego | He must've known about the coffee after visit #5 ;-) |
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| 00:22.49 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 00:22.53 | hatter | hehe |
| 00:23.03 | simonrvn | cafuego: you said that as i was taking a sip of water heheh |
| 00:23.22 | Kaiten4 | I am trying to upgrade module-init tools on lenny from a localy downgraded module-init tools package and I get the following. http://pastebin.com/m1c8f19cb Any suggestions? |
| 00:23.31 | hatter | so general consensus ? yes or no to dell server s? |
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| 00:23.40 | enveezee | hmm I suspect this might already be setup.. heh |
| 00:23.46 | Sebboh | jelly-home, Kaiten4, I like the auto-completion of package names.. But these other features have got to go! The shell shall do what I say when I say, even when I am wrong. ;) |
| 00:23.50 | GullyFoyle | true sdtory: my brother ordered a sony vaio laptop online and was sent 2 of them. one had the white copy of the receipt in the box and the other had the yellow copy. He waited a couple weeks, and when nothing happened, he sold the extra one on ebay. |
| 00:23.53 | simonrvn | i have no personal experience with any except for an ancient model |
| 00:24.04 | JordiGH | hatter: I desperately want to say yes solely because you can evade the Microsoft tax with Dell. |
| 00:24.14 | cjsstables | hey all. I'm having a windowing issue running kxdocker with beryl. docker is from stand lenny distro. Docker works but on activation I get multiple frame windows. If I turn off beryl I get a rectangular background image that extends well beyond the dock when I hover over it. Any suggestions? |
| 00:24.33 | hatter | GullyFoyle, how cool, a big quiet thank you to SOny for that one :) |
| 00:24.37 | simonrvn | hatter: yeh, that's a plus, don't have to deal with m$hit |
| 00:24.43 | GullyFoyle | hatter: heh |
| 00:24.44 | JordiGH | cjsstables: You'll have better luck in #beryl. |
| 00:24.45 | Kaiten4 | Sebboh: My thoughts exactly! I was using the wrong flags for tar for the wrong type of archive, and it pissed me off, I thought it was my terminal. |
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| 00:25.15 | lastnode | where can I get a debian hardware compat listing? (for wifi pcmcia) |
| 00:25.43 | freenot | is there a good, accurate howto on making a .deb that someone can recommend? |
| 00:25.43 | hatter | cjsstables, yeah try #beryl, it does some really weird things still , unfortunantely, coz its so purty |
| 00:25.45 | JordiGH | lastnode: Debian compatibility is Linux compatibility. There are a number of projects online. You can google for them. |
| 00:25.51 | cafuego | hatter: I would not. |
| 00:25.56 | Sebboh | what packages do I install for those 3d rotating cube desktops and such? This eyecandy would impress my boss. ;) |
| 00:25.59 | JordiGH | !give freenot nmg |
| 00:26.03 | lastnode | JordiGH, is there a hardware support list I can go through? |
| 00:26.05 | Kaiten4 | I'm having problems apt-get upgrading please have a look and offer a suggestion http://pastebin.com/m1c8f19cb |
| 00:26.06 | JordiGH | er... |
| 00:26.11 | cafuego | hatter: A colleague of mine bought on not that long ago; Xeon C2D box. |
| 00:26.15 | cjsstables | JordiGH pk. thanks |
| 00:26.34 | hatter | cafuego, yeah the entry level on here in Oz, is a xeon |
| 00:26.34 | JordiGH | !tell freenot about nmg |
| 00:26.37 | cafuego | Cheap, but 1) loud 2) not a lot of disk 3) W2K3 |
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| 00:26.50 | cafuego | hatter: You're in straya? |
| 00:27.09 | hatter | cafuego, hehe, the great land of OZ, (no wizards) |
| 00:27.16 | cafuego | hatter: If the budget isn't huge, perhaps try graysonline |
| 00:27.36 | cafuego | hatter: They auction off corporate hardware, from bankrupcies etc. |
| 00:27.38 | JordiGH | Sebboh: Beryl. This often works on etch if you manage to get direct rendering with your video card: http://technowizah.com/2007/02/debian-how-to-aiglx-beryl.html |
| 00:27.57 | hatter | cafuego. cool, i will check it out |
| 00:27.57 | cafuego | hatter: Usually have stacks of cheap rackmountable HP/IBM gear. opertons etc. |
| 00:28.21 | hatter | Sebboh, ati and 3d is shit, i had better luck with nvidia |
| 00:28.40 | JordiGH | hatter: I've had better luck with intel. It Just Works. |
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| 00:29.03 | enveezee | ok how do I tell something to start with inetd/xinetd? |
| 00:29.04 | Kaiten4 | How do you force dpkg to install a .deb? Or how do you force apt to do something? |
| 00:29.05 | JordiGH | hatter: Admittedly intel can't do the lighting effects in Nexuiz, but it can do Beryl and Armagetron, which is enough for me. |
| 00:29.05 | Sebboh | there is no package named beryl. ? |
| 00:29.17 | JordiGH | Kaiten4: --force. But don't do it. |
| 00:29.24 | Kaiten4 | Mmk. |
| 00:29.27 | hatter | JordiGH, the Nvidia driver is a bit shitty also, if you want other cards for ezxtra monitors they dont work if they arent nvidia |
| 00:29.46 | Kaiten4 | JordiGH: I have no other option. |
| 00:29.48 | enveezee | nm found it |
| 00:29.51 | JordiGH | Sebboh: Read the howto I showed you. Beryl isn't in Debian main mostly because nobody has managed to package it properly, but the nonstandard repos work fine. |
| 00:30.00 | Sebboh | what package does beryl live in? (btw I already got all my 3d crap working for a game.. should still work.) |
| 00:30.11 | JordiGH | Sebboh: http://technowizah.com/2007/02/debian-how-to-aiglx-beryl.html |
| 00:30.21 | stoned | hi |
| 00:30.21 | lastnode | ok, madwifi is RE atheros right? so does debian ship it or do I need to get the fw separately? the card im looking to get is a Trendnet TEW-501PC, and madwifi supports it. will debian be able to pick it up and use it during install? |
| 00:30.27 | JordiGH | Kaiten4: Godspeed. Forcing is ugly. |
| 00:30.31 | Sebboh | not in the standard repos? Screw that. I prefer pgp signed packages, thanks. |
| 00:30.32 | jelly-home | JordiGH: um, isn't beryl superseded by compiz fusion? |
| 00:30.42 | JordiGH | jelly-home: It is, but Beryl still works for etch. |
| 00:30.46 | stoned | i like packets |
| 00:30.48 | cafuego | hatter: They might, provided you don't use nvidia's nvagp. |
| 00:30.57 | lymeca | The 18733 number of packages... are those in main? |
| 00:31.04 | JordiGH | jelly-home: beryl for etch got frozen around etch release time. It almost followed the same Debian release cycle. |
| 00:31.05 | lymeca | Or does that count include contrib/non-free? |
| 00:31.11 | stoned | i think main |
| 00:31.16 | hatter | cafuego, without the nvidia binaries the 3d wouldnt work |
| 00:31.32 | hatter | cafuego, or something like that, maybe it was the big desktop that wouldnt work |
| 00:31.33 | Sebboh | got compiz, restarting x, bbl. |
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| 00:31.51 | JordiGH | lastnode: Yes, contrib/nonfree for some parts of madwifi. It's worked for me, but y'know. It might not work. |
| 00:32.20 | lastnode | JordiGH, but deb wont pick it up and use during install because some parts are non-free, correct? |
| 00:32.23 | cafuego | hatter: Yeh, but the nvidia binaries can run with either the in-kernel agp driver *or* their own. If you have a 2nd card, you may need the in-kernel agp driver, not the nvidia one. |
| 00:32.29 | hatter | cafuego, i think that was it, i needed the prop. driver for big desktop and 3d, with the open sourcfe driver i could use xinerama but no 3d |
| 00:32.35 | JordiGH | lastnode: Right. You'll have to do it yourself after install. |
| 00:32.48 | JordiGH | lastnode: I recommend using a wireful connection until you get the wireless working. |
| 00:32.53 | cafuego | mind you, I've never run Xinerama on an nvidia card, only on my G450. |
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| 00:33.13 | stoned | cafuego: twinview? |
| 00:33.21 | stoned | cafuego: nv or nvidia? |
| 00:33.22 | cafuego | stoned: Xinerama |
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| 00:33.34 | cafuego | stoned: "never .. on an nvidia card" |
| 00:33.42 | stoned | lol |
| 00:33.44 | stoned | what? |
| 00:33.58 | cafuego | stop mocking me! |
| 00:33.59 | hatter | xinerama, worked fine with the nv drivers, but no 3d, iirc |
| 00:33.59 | stoned | no what driver do you use |
| 00:34.02 | stoned | nv or nvidia? |
| 00:34.05 | freenot | cafuego: did you go to OSDN in brissy? |
| 00:34.06 | stoned | and have you tried twinview? |
| 00:34.07 | cafuego | stoned: I use nvidia |
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| 00:34.18 | cafuego | stoned: I only have the one screen, so no :-) |
| 00:34.23 | stoned | cafuego: why xinerama instead of nvidia dual head twinview |
| 00:34.24 | stoned | oh |
| 00:34.28 | hatter | i had 4 screens, but wanted 3d |
| 00:34.30 | stoned | I thought you ohhhh |
| 00:34.31 | stoned | nevermind |
| 00:34.40 | hatter | xinerama doesnt allow 3d |
| 00:34.42 | stoned | I thought you said you've only ever ran xinerama on nvidia |
| 00:34.46 | cafuego | stoned: Because when I had 2 screens I had a G450, which twinview probably doesn't work on. |
| 00:34.47 | dv_ | it does |
| 00:34.50 | dv_ | I use xinerama |
| 00:34.53 | dv_ | and can use 3d |
| 00:34.57 | stoned | cafuego: I misread |
| 00:34.57 | cafuego | stoned: No, hence the "never" bit ;-) |
| 00:35.05 | stoned | yessir |
| 00:35.13 | dv_ | oh, well |
| 00:35.15 | cafuego | Crackhead, pffft. |
| 00:35.16 | dv_ | I use the cs drivers |
| 00:35.20 | stoned | lol |
| 00:35.33 | hatter | dv_, hmmm, with nvidia ? |
| 00:35.37 | dv_ | yes |
| 00:35.41 | cafuego | freenot: Have not gone, will go. it's in Novemebr |
| 00:35.44 | hatter | what are the cs driver s/ |
| 00:35.49 | dv_ | the closed source ones |
| 00:35.54 | stoned | man |
| 00:35.58 | stoned | this shit aint getting me to the moon |
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| 00:36.10 | stoned | i need high grade stuff |
| 00:36.23 | cafuego | I think it's messing with your brain |
| 00:36.29 | stoned | you think? |
| 00:36.36 | hatter | ok, which is what i used, and you are saying xinerama gives you 3d ? |
| 00:36.39 | cafuego | sometimes |
| 00:36.40 | dv_ | yes |
| 00:36.40 | freenot | cafuego: ah, right |
| 00:36.40 | stoned | life is too dull and boring |
| 00:36.51 | hatter | you can run glxgears on any screen ? |
| 00:36.52 | JordiGH | I'm kinda confused by how a box can be both the NIS server and one of its clients. |
| 00:36.56 | dv_ | I have a 8800 and the recent drivers |
| 00:36.57 | dv_ | yes |
| 00:37.04 | dv_ | in fact I can run glxgears across the screens |
| 00:37.10 | hatter | how many screens ? |
| 00:37.12 | stoned | people have made human lives so miserable that they need actual narcotics or other substances just to get away from it all |
| 00:37.12 | dv_ | two |
| 00:37.26 | stoned | we work 5 days to enjoy 2 days off, and most people don't even get that |
| 00:37.31 | hatter | can you post your xorg somewhere ? |
| 00:37.34 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: NIS server, NIS+ client :D |
| 00:37.35 | stoned | its horrible what we've made our lives into |
| 00:37.41 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: with PAM it's possible :D |
| 00:37.42 | stoned | but whatever |
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| 00:38.03 | witless | hi. i have a mail server set up on a box with maildirs. i would like mail sent from the system to go into my maildir too, but they end up in /var/spool/me - any idea how i can change this? |
| 00:38.08 | hatter | stoned, you could always get stoned and be happy :) |
| 00:38.23 | stoned | I'm happy without it, Im just happier with it :D |
| 00:38.35 | cafuego | witless: What MTA? |
| 00:38.49 | dv_ | hatter, http://rafb.net/p/EliXgw25.html |
| 00:38.54 | hatter | dv_, thx |
| 00:38.54 | witless | cafuego: courier |
| 00:39.06 | cafuego | courier smtp? |
| 00:39.15 | JordiGH | pipeline_: I'm kinda at the point where I just want to get this working. |
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| 00:39.31 | piecesandbits | wow...you need a new job. All jobs have the unpleasant part....but if you don't have ANYthing that's interesting....that's sad |
| 00:39.53 | witless | actually i think i only have imap set up on this box - i use my outside server for smtp |
| 00:40.06 | cafuego | witless: Um |
| 00:40.12 | cafuego | witless: So you have *no* MTA? |
| 00:40.47 | cafuego | Surely there's something, otherwise mail wouldn't go to /var/mail |
| 00:40.55 | witless | exim :-) |
| 00:41.12 | karsten | witless: if your mta's running (presuming you have one, it's installed, it's running, and it's not running via inetd / xinetd): netstat -tpv | less and look at what's at port 25. |
| 00:41.16 | cafuego | Ok, I can't help then, I don't use exim. <heh> |
| 00:41.21 | karsten | erm: netstat -tplv |
| 00:41.59 | Gm4n | for some reason, ssh to my server's external NIC works for a while, but after a while, the port becomes filtered |
| 00:42.08 | Kaiten4 | Hey. How much use is an A+ certification |
| 00:42.10 | hatter | i remember now what my problem was with multiple screens and the nvidia driver, i need to initialise the pci card as the first monitor in the bios but the cs driver wont let you, the open source driver does, but no 3d with the open source driver |
| 00:42.18 | karsten | witless: netstat -tplv | grep ':smtp' should do it. |
| 00:42.21 | Gm4n | when I /etc/init.d/networking restart, it works again. Does this indicate a hardware failure? |
| 00:42.31 | cafuego | Kaiten4: Probably keeps the fire going for a good 15 seconds. |
| 00:42.33 | witless | it's exim4 |
| 00:42.39 | karsten | witless: in my case: tcp 0 0 localhost.localdom:smtp *:* LISTEN 21579/exim4 |
| 00:42.59 | karsten | witless: So what's the question? |
| 00:43.20 | JordiGH | Kaiten4: Isn't that a Microsoft thing? |
| 00:43.25 | cafuego | karsten: witless needs exim to put mail in ~/Maildir not /var/spool/mail/$USER |
| 00:43.43 | karsten | witless: IIRC you can tell exim where to deliver your mail, or use procmail to dump it to where you want it. |
| 00:44.06 | xaque | is there a way to install a crontab automatically? like cat crontab.txt | crontab -e ? |
| 00:44.08 | karsten | witless: IIRC a simple .forward of "~/Maildir/" should suffice, but check on that. |
| 00:44.09 | stoned | 1 |
| 00:44.16 | karsten | xaque: Yes. |
| 00:44.18 | witless | karsten: sorry i was lookup up the address - |
| 00:44.36 | Kaiten4 | I don't know, I'm dual enrolling in high school and a technical school, and we're bascily learning what's on the A+, it deal a little bit with linux but mostly XP |
| 00:44.37 | witless | karsten: i have backupninja set up to deliver backup results to me@localhost - the mail ends up in /var/spool/me instead of my maildirs |
| 00:44.42 | Codenut | is init.d the file to put startup commands with switches? |
| 00:45.10 | karsten | xaque: Though putting stuff like that in either /etc/cron.d/ or /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly} is significantly smarter. |
| 00:45.13 | witless | karsten: cafuego: thanks, i will check that out |
| 00:45.13 | xaque | karsten: could I also install a crontab file in crontab format to /etc/cron.d ? Does this folder get checked every minute? so I could do an @hourly entry in a file and place it in /etc/cron.d ? right? |
| 00:45.33 | JordiGH | Ok, so with NIS, whenever I want to do useradd, I ssh into the NIS server and run adduser there, or is the ssh step intermediate and I can do it from any NIS client? |
| 00:45.35 | karsten | xaque: cron.d: once a minute. hourly/daily/weekly/monthly: you do the math. |
| 00:45.49 | xaque | karsten: right. got it. Thanks |
| 00:45.53 | karsten | xaque: Note that hourly, etc., take a different format. |
| 00:46.06 | karsten | xaque: cron.d allows you to explicitly specify the frequency of execution. |
| 00:46.19 | xaque | karsten: I think I am going to turn cron.d into an svn and have it update once a day, so I can manage global crontabs from svn |
| 00:46.26 | karsten | xaque: the others just want a shell script which is executed per the folder schedule. |
| 00:46.35 | xaque | right, cool |
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| 00:46.57 | Kaiten4 | no one here has taken the a+? |
| 00:47.13 | karsten | Kaiten4: *coff* Why should we? |
| 00:47.15 | xaque | meh =] |
| 00:47.31 | Kaiten4 | karsten: dunno, might look good on a resume |
| 00:47.32 | cafuego | Like I said, 15 seconds of warmth ;-) |
| 00:47.37 | karsten | Kaiten4: Get a ral job. |
| 00:47.39 | xaque | karsten: a+ is hardly worth it. Prove your knowlege elsewhere |
| 00:47.42 | karsten | Kaiten4: That would look better. |
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| 00:47.45 | Kaiten4 | karsten: Like? |
| 00:47.46 | JordiGH | What's A+ for? |
| 00:47.58 | xaque | basic hardware knowledge |
| 00:48.03 | karsten | Kaiten4: a+ looks good if you're just out of (or still in) high school. |
| 00:48.04 | xaque | BASIC |
| 00:48.10 | cafuego | A+ is probably "B" isn't it? |
| 00:48.11 | zinx | JordiGH: test taking skills. |
| 00:48.17 | karsten | cafuego: C- |
| 00:48.25 | pipeline_ | Kaiten4: If you have room on your resume for A+, you're in trouble :P |
| 00:48.25 | JordiGH | Will it impress a PHB? |
| 00:48.27 | Kaiten4 | I know seriously we were doing lessons and you had to hook up a parelell printer... wtf? |
| 00:48.27 | cafuego | karsten: Yeah |
| 00:48.42 | Kaiten4 | pipeline_: I've never had a real job |
| 00:48.43 | zinx | JordiGH: depends on how stupid said PHB is |
| 00:48.47 | cafuego | Kaiten4: A lot of people won't have that skill, so maybe there is something to it ;-) |
| 00:48.52 | pipeline_ | Kaiten4: When I was in high school doing A+, it covered daisy wheel printers. So there. |
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| 00:49.07 | Kaiten4 | I'm considering getting a job as a freaking telephone surveyist, anything is better than that |
| 00:49.09 | Kaiten4 | or taco bell |
| 00:49.17 | hatter | what about ooters ? |
| 00:49.22 | hatter | 'hooters' ? |
| 00:49.27 | xaque | =] |
| 00:49.29 | hatter | how good are your man-boobs ? |
| 00:49.34 | Kaiten4 | hatter: My girlfriend would kill me |
| 00:49.44 | xaque | moobs, I believe is the professional term |
| 00:49.52 | karsten | xaque: You would know that. |
| 00:49.58 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 00:49.58 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
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| 00:50.12 | JordiGH | I still have NIS questions here. :-) |
| 00:50.34 | xaque | karsten: I could have tich bits and be offended =] |
| 00:50.47 | Kaiten4 | so what kind of certifications do you guys recommend? (Hey I'm not paying for technical school, all I do is sit there on my laptop running bittorent from the wifi there) |
| 00:51.16 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: What are you using NIS for? Please say it's NIS and not NIS+ :P |
| 00:51.16 | xaque | Kaiten4: ccie |
| 00:51.29 | karsten | xaque: "tich bits"? |
| 00:51.34 | JordiGH | pipeline_: It is NIS. For a small network in the school's undergrad coputer. |
| 00:51.34 | karsten | Kaiten4: Experience. |
| 00:51.35 | xaque | karsten: do the math |
| 00:51.38 | JordiGH | karsten: read backwards |
| 00:51.51 | JordiGH | pipeline_: the school's undergrad computer lab. |
| 00:52.03 | karsten | xaque: I fon't dollow you. |
| 00:52.11 | xaque | Bitch tits =] |
| 00:52.16 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: err... well... uh... you shouldn't be deploying new NIS. That's so deprecated it's almost funny. It was supposed to be replaced by NIS+ ten years ago, but NIS+ was so awful that I don't know of anyone succeeding in that endeavour. |
| 00:52.22 | xaque | karsten: hahaha, nice |
| 00:52.23 | karsten | xaque: K inow |
| 00:52.28 | hatter | lol, moobs :) |
| 00:52.35 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: if it's a small network, now is the time to move to hesiod or LDAP+kerberos |
| 00:52.52 | Kaiten4 | karsten: can't get experience if I can't get a job. I actually worked at a salvation army type place repairing old computers with I was 14. |
| 00:52.58 | JordiGH | pipeline_: It's supposed to be eventually compatible with the other half of the big OpenBSD network that's running NIS. |
| 00:53.01 | smacnay | Hi, I am trying to blacklist the nvidia framebuffer module on an initrd kernel. I have followed the instructions from '/msg dpkg blacklist' but I still get the nvidia fb module loading on boot. Are there tricks to getting this to work? |
| 00:55.23 | JordiGH | pipeline_: LDAP and Kerberos look even more complicated than NIS/NFS do. :-/ |
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| 00:56.56 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: NIS is simple. And broken. Don't go there dude. |
| 00:57.23 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: I mean, you have a choice. :P |
| 00:57.23 | JordiGH | pipeline_: I'm already almost done. |
| 00:57.23 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: And... err.. you're not going to like this... the easiest way to bridge NIS to a modern LDAP directory is Windows Server. -_- |
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| 00:57.47 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: NIS/YP is hell. And requires plaintext passwords. I mean, come on man. |
| 00:58.02 | JordiGH | pipeline_: Uh, I'm shadowing the. |
| 00:58.06 | JordiGH | them |
| 00:58.13 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: err, I don't think that will work with NIS. At all. :) |
| 00:58.24 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: This is a mistake. |
| 00:58.25 | JordiGH | pipeline_: The Debian NIS howto says how to shadow them. |
| 00:58.29 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: You are likely to live to regret it. |
| 00:58.38 | JordiGH | Oh, gawd. |
| 00:58.41 | JordiGH | Fine. |
| 00:58.44 | JordiGH | aptitude remove nis |
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| 00:59.06 | Kaiten4 | apt-get remove life |
| 00:59.09 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: and LDAP isn't that hard to set up, although I agree it's a horrible soup of buzzwords :) |
| 00:59.28 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: psst slapd sucks terribly; RHDS or Sun/Netscape or MSAD is where you want to be looking. |
| 00:59.33 | karsten | Kaiten4: Run your own systems, start helping out at school (HS or local college / community college, whatever), get active online, help with coding projects, write docs, do what you can. |
| 01:00.10 | Kaiten4 | karsten: already do some of that. |
| 01:00.14 | karsten | Kaiten4: It's one of the best ways to get general experience, it's pretty much what I did along with a bunch of other folks here. Or you can do the dondelelcaro thing and get your PhD in molecular biology while vamping in #debian IRC channels. |
| 01:00.17 | JordiGH | pipeline_: Huh? I didn't understand a word of that last sentence. |
| 01:01.15 | Kaiten4 | I just don't know what direction to take as a career. Computers aren't really exciting anymore, but that's what I'm most apt in, and I don't know career I would take involoving computers. |
| 01:01.16 | karsten | Kaiten4: And apply for stuff. Basic jobs, craigslist is pretty good here, not sure about Tampa. Eventually you'll get on the treadmill. Once you've got teh first job and some experience, if you're any good, the rest is easier. |
| 01:01.38 | Kaiten4 | karsten: Makes sense |
| 01:01.49 | karsten | Kaiten4: If it doesn't grab you now, it's going to be a lot worse when you have to deal with the pressures, politics, etc., of real world. So don't do it if you don't want to. |
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| 01:02.18 | JordiGH | Dudes, no offense, could you take the midlife crisis elsewhere, please? There are already enough debian-related problems in here as it is. |
| 01:02.18 | Kaiten4 | karsten: nothing really grabs me though. But I'll figure it out I guess. |
| 01:02.26 | karsten | xaque: My current fave saying is that I'll try something "for shins and grits" |
| 01:02.38 | karsten | Kaiten4: Some people can stretch that out a lifetime. |
| 01:02.51 | Winny | Ive come to join the problem-party...: apt-get can't find ANY packes on debian... |
| 01:03.07 | karsten | Kaiten4: Try some school, try some travel, try some adventuring, see what you enjoy. Strong-Campbell Interest Inventory's a good way to fly as well. |
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| 01:04.02 | witless | i have an LVM consisting of one hardware raid volume and one software raid volume. i'm getting errors in /var/log/kern.log like this: |
| 01:04.06 | witless | attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 01:04.06 | witless | dm-0: rw=0, want=3809534016, limit=2090303488 |
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| 01:04.15 | Kaiten4 | karsten: thanks for the information. |
| 01:04.27 | witless | that machine is a backup server, and my backups are failing |
| 01:05.08 | witless | the program generating the error is rdiff-backup. any suggestions for tracking this problem down? |
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| 01:05.36 | coco-- | Hello, i ran vncserver but when i try to connect from another computer inside the lan. it says connection refused |
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| 01:05.50 | coco-- | how do i check to see if iptables is closing port 22? |
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| 01:06.52 | Winny | and nevermind, I fixed it myself :p |
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| 01:07.04 | snowbird | fixed what? |
| 01:07.27 | cafuego | the brokenness |
| 01:09.22 | stoned | fixed was the sequel to broken |
| 01:09.27 | stoned | by Nine Inch Nails |
| 01:09.47 | xaque | karsten: I will have to use that one soon |
| 01:09.49 | xaque | =] |
| 01:09.49 | Kaiten4 | stoned: wasn't it a lp? |
| 01:09.57 | stoned | maybe |
| 01:10.09 | stoned | I don't know I never got into that crappy music |
| 01:10.15 | karsten | Kaiten4: http://careerplanning.about.com/od/selfassessment/a/self_assessment.htm FYI. |
| 01:10.18 | stoned | I like two cd only, ever |
| 01:10.24 | Kaiten4 | stoned: I'm not much a fan of it either |
| 01:10.26 | stoned | doward spiral and pretty hate machine |
| 01:10.33 | Kaiten4 | stoned: same :) |
| 01:10.36 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:10.46 | karsten | xaque: :) |
| 01:10.48 | coco-- | uhm |
| 01:10.48 | stoned | I tested high |
| 01:10.51 | stoned | just high |
| 01:10.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:10.56 | coco-- | where should i begin trouble shooting? |
| 01:11.00 | karsten | stoned: Why am I surprised? |
| 01:11.04 | karsten | coco--: At the beginning. |
| 01:11.06 | stoned | you are surpised? |
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| 01:11.20 | karsten | stoned: Very! |
| 01:11.33 | stoned | I get stoned before every exam/test/quiz |
| 01:11.41 | stoned | I usually get all As too |
| 01:11.49 | Kaiten4 | thank you karsten. I think the last time I took one of these I scored high in... fridgerator repair |
| 01:11.54 | Kaiten4 | Not complaining |
| 01:11.58 | stoned | sometimes I get Bs and if its hard math stuff, then i have gotten a c before too |
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| 01:12.12 | karsten | Kaiten4: Physical repair work tends to be outsource-proof. |
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| 01:12.21 | stoned | yeh man |
| 01:13.17 | Kaiten4 | I sould lay cement for the rest of my life |
| 01:13.23 | Kaiten4 | on roofs.. |
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| 01:14.42 | Gm4n | how can I change the kernel IP routing table permanently? I keep trying to change it, and it keeps changing back over time =( |
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| 01:15.29 | solid_liq | anyone know a way to find out the speed a 10/100Mb NIC running at (from the shell)? |
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| 01:16.19 | stoned | its like mhd md someting |
| 01:16.28 | stoned | i forgot the name of the tool, wow |
| 01:17.01 | karsten | ... for formal dining, two forks. |
| 01:17.44 | Gm4n | hmm, that does sound good |
| 01:17.51 | Gm4n | now to get a girlfriend to dine with me =P |
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| 01:18.04 | karsten | Gm4n: There are routing daemons, and they can be configured. This is pretty much an advanced TCP/IP networking concept, I'd find one of the better rerferences for same. |
| 01:18.53 | Gm4n | where should i find those references? I keep having two default interfaces, and when they're both present, one of the interfaces doesn't function properly |
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| 01:19.46 | reiser2 | Hi |
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| 01:20.54 | karsten | Gm4n: Um, for that, I'd just hardwire my routes in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 01:21.06 | karsten | Gm4n: man 5 interfaces; less /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/* |
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| 01:21.41 | karsten | Gm4n: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/book/index.html (NAG, last updated in 2000). |
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| 01:25.45 | Kaiten4 | insmod is broken in lenny. what should I do? |
| 01:26.10 | karsten | Kaiten4: Broken how? |
| 01:26.15 | karsten | Kaiten4: Try modprobe |
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| 01:26.25 | Kaiten4 | karsten: segfaults under module insertion |
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| 01:26.41 | Kaiten4 | karsten: it's not my choice, it's a proprietary script provided by vmware |
| 01:26.49 | Kaiten4 | well not really |
| 01:26.56 | Kaiten4 | but I wouldn't be able to edit it |
| 01:26.57 | karsten | OK. Probably incompatible kernel version. |
| 01:27.05 | karsten | You might try stracing the call. |
| 01:27.32 | Gm4n | karsten: To the best of my ability to determine, this is the correct configuration for /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.ca/668722 Would you be willing to take a look? |
| 01:27.40 | Kaiten4 | I tried rolling back to the stable module-init-tools, that used to work until VMware 7.0 where I get "incorrect symbol" instead of segfaulting |
| 01:28.13 | karsten | Gm4n: sec |
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| 01:29.31 | JordiGH | Man, LDAP looks so fucking complicated. I'm reading all this about databases, and management, and I think to myself, "wtf does this have to do with letting users carry their accounts with them to any terminal?" |
| 01:29.45 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: sad, isn't it. |
| 01:30.03 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: NIS was so simple. A pity no two implementations ever worked together, or that there's no one left on earth who has it on his resume. |
| 01:30.09 | karsten | Gm4n: What's not working? |
| 01:30.11 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: or that its erplacement was such shit :P |
| 01:30.19 | JordiGH | pipeline_: I hope I won't regret listening to you. |
| 01:30.21 | Gm4n | one sec, I'll make a pastebin |
| 01:30.24 | karsten | Gm4n: Erm, give me 'ifconfig -a; route -n' output as well. |
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| 01:31.10 | Gm4n | karsten: http://pastebin.ca/668727 |
| 01:31.17 | karsten | Gm4n: In general you should only specify one gateway, which I suspect you're getting from eth0's dhcp. So drop 'gateway' from eth1. You'll be able to talk to the eth1 subnet itself, but will gateway traffic through eth0 by default. |
| 01:31.37 | bipolar | Hey guys. I did something on my system and now I'm missing all the printer drivers from kde's printer control panel. |
| 01:31.48 | bipolar | does anyone know how to regenerate the list? |
| 01:31.49 | Gm4n | karsten: eth0 is my LAN, eth1 is the internet |
| 01:31.53 | karsten | Gm4n: ... though in this case 209.172.121.81 is your default GW. |
| 01:31.57 | karsten | Gm4n: ... which should work. |
| 01:32.15 | Gm4n | I"m sure that works, I've used that interface, and that's the settings my ISP gave me |
| 01:32.17 | karsten | bipolar: Make sure cupsys is running. |
| 01:32.29 | karsten | Gm4n: ... and what isn't working? |
| 01:32.33 | JordiGH | pipeline_: Do I really need to become an expert in database management to manage /etc/passwd ? |
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| 01:33.05 | Gm4n | karsten: sometimes, my external interface (eth1) will stop responding to anything (shows up as all ports filtered from nmap) |
| 01:33.36 | karsten | Gm4n: Are you sure that that's not yoru DSL router getting fuxn0red? |
| 01:33.36 | Gm4n | I can get it back by using route delete default and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:33.56 | karsten | Gm4n: Hrm. |
| 01:34.02 | Gm4n | I'm sure, it's not a DSL router, it's a business-level connection, and the other servers aren't having any issues |
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| 01:34.14 | bipolar | karsten: yes, it is. I can manualy point it to a ppd file and print |
| 01:34.21 | karsten | Gm4n: Dig. |
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| 01:34.30 | bipolar | karsten: using the 'other |
| 01:34.33 | bipolar | button |
| 01:34.34 | karsten | bipolar: Hrm. Not sure. Maybe ask #kde? |
| 01:34.40 | Gm4n | karsten: what do you mean by that? |
| 01:34.42 | Zemus | hay wut is torent bitorent someone plz tell me :( |
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| 01:34.48 | karsten | Gm4n: "I understand". |
| 01:34.49 | karsten | !dig |
| 01:34.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 01:35.03 | bipolar | there's got to be a specifc way that debian does it. |
| 01:35.16 | Zemus | anyone?????? help me :( |
| 01:35.19 | karsten | bipolar: I generally just go through http://localhost:631 |
| 01:35.40 | karsten | bipolar: I *think* KDE's printer config gets its list via CUPS somehow but I'm not sure quite how. |
| 01:35.50 | JordiGH | Zemus: bittorrent is a peer-to-peer (p2p) protocol. |
| 01:35.56 | Zemus | wut |
| 01:36.11 | Zemus | wuts peer to peer |
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| 01:36.38 | enveezee | ok I can't figure this out.. if I run saned -d128 I can use the scanner from windows, but if I run it from inetd, it doesn't work. SANE_DEBUG_NET=3D255 scanimage -L shows a key difference when running inetd, says [net] sane_get_devices: finished (0 devices) even though the devices are listed. |
| 01:36.44 | Zemus | hey seiji :) |
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| 01:36.53 | enveezee | I'm getting connected in both cases, cept running from inetd I get no devices listed |
| 01:36.56 | Gm4n | Zemus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2p |
| 01:37.03 | karsten | Gm4n: "Dig" is holophrastic. |
| 01:37.05 | enveezee | not sure why its doing this |
| 01:37.16 | Zemus | gm4n thx 4 tha help, what is peer to peer? |
| 01:37.42 | enveezee | I'm googling like crazy and getting nothing |
| 01:37.55 | Gm4n | lol, Zemus |
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| 01:38.13 | Kaiten4 | how do I apply a diff to a perl script? |
| 01:38.19 | Zemus | gm4n lol :) :) |
| 01:38.20 | Gm4n | patch |
| 01:38.28 | Zemus | gm4n am i funny? |
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| 01:39.02 | Gm4n | yes, because you clearly have an idea what p2p is |
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| 01:39.28 | Zemus | gm4n, wut? |
| 01:39.54 | JordiGH | Zemus: Kazaa, Napster, Morpheus are p2p clients. |
| 01:40.01 | Zemus | o kazaa |
| 01:40.13 | Zemus | like tha explorer |
| 01:40.19 | Zemus | lik internet n shite |
| 01:40.19 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: database is a misnomer. I don't know of an LDAP implementation that actually lets you bring your own... they all come with their own database. |
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| 01:40.55 | Zemus | gm4n but wut is it? |
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| 01:41.16 | Gm4n | karsten: so do you have any ideas? Not trying to be a nag, but I need to get this done tonight =( |
| 01:41.18 | bjorkimacg3 | do you guys use limewire? |
| 01:41.20 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: You could try hesiod... it's not as common as combinations of LDAP and kerberos, but it's still relatively modern and simlpe :P |
| 01:41.25 | bjorkimacg3 | ... or is there a better alternative? |
| 01:41.28 | Wyzard | Zemus: Gm4n already sent you a link to a web page that explains P2P thoroughly |
| 01:41.32 | Kaiten4 | How would I patch a file with this diff? http://pastebin.com/m3cfd5405 |
| 01:41.34 | pipeline_ | bjorkimacg3: gtk-gnutella uses the same network as limewire |
| 01:41.38 | karsten | Gm4n: Nope. |
| 01:41.41 | karsten | Gm4n: Busy w/ work. |
| 01:41.42 | Gm4n | Zemus: you're identified to nickserv, you have a cloak, etc... you know what "the internet n shite" is |
| 01:41.46 | bjorkimacg3 | yeah but is it a gui or a cli tool? |
| 01:41.49 | JordiGH | pipeline_: Hm. |
| 01:41.51 | pipeline_ | bjorkimacg3: with any gnutella client, you need to stay connected for hours or days before searching |
| 01:42.13 | JordiGH | pipeline_: No. I'm sticking to this one. |
| 01:42.21 | Zemus | Bjoern-Erik, I wouldn't do that, first off, it's been proven to cause kernel errors and problems with the ntfs file system, second, it has no music on it, it's full of trojans and spyware, and the porn that you *do* find on there is rather shitty. If you're looking for a p2p client for music downloading, I'd recommend soulseek. |
| 01:42.29 | Zemus | Gm4n, but wut is it D: |
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| 01:42.51 | bjorkimacg3 | pipeline_ so what makes it better then? |
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| 01:42.58 | karsten | iluvkarsten: Get in line |
| 01:43.00 | Gm4n | Zemus: it's newfangled technology. I'll sell you one on a CD for as little as 3 payments of $39.99 |
| 01:43.05 | pipeline_ | bjorkimacg3: more pleasant interface |
| 01:43.21 | JordiGH | !ops in_the_ass |
| 01:43.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jordigh complains about: in_the_ass |
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| 01:43.30 | flaco | hi all... how can I fix the apt??? I have a broken package but I cant fix it |
| 01:43.45 | in_the_ass | flaco, have you tried compiling it from source? |
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| 01:43.58 | bjorkimacg3 | after connecting for several days? |
| 01:43.59 | bjorkimacg3 | hrmm.m |
| 01:44.03 | dewey | good day mates |
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| 01:44.07 | flaco | no.. I dont whant to install it |
| 01:44.13 | troubled | in_the_ass: new nick |
| 01:44.18 | Wyzard | flaco: in_the_ass is a troll; ignore him |
| 01:44.34 | flaco | Wyzard: thks |
| 01:44.34 | Wyzard | flaco: If you have a package that's incompletely installed, "dpkg --configure --pending" is the first thing to try |
| 01:44.47 | Wyzard | flaco: If that fails, paste the error message you get |
| 01:44.54 | Zemus | I'm in #debian. Of course I'm a troll, that's what we do in here, isn't it? |
| 01:45.02 | eyeris | I want to run Bugzilla on my debian/etch server using mod_perl. It wants mod_perl2. There doesn't appear to be a libapache-mod-perl2 similar to the libapache2-mod-perl2. `perl -MCPAN -e"install mod_perl2"` (as the Bugzilla docs suggest) wants a copy of the apache source used to compile apache. How can I get this? |
| 01:45.03 | Wyzard | flaco: (the real one, not the "subprocess returned nonzero exit status" or whatever at the end) |
| 01:45.07 | JordiGH | pipeline_: Hey, so is this a forever solution? It's watertight, even Puffy from OpenBSD would endorse it, and once it's actually up and running, it'll be a breeze? |
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| 01:46.21 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: nobody from OpenBSD would endorse it because they all still think it's 1989. I'm surprised OpenBSD even includes NIS support, given NIS' terrible security record. |
| 01:46.24 | flaco | Wyzard: http://pastebin.com/m66e9a427 |
| 01:46.31 | Wyzard | eye69: Ideally you should just upgrade to apache2 |
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| 01:46.42 | JordiGH | pipeline_: Wouldn't OpenBSD patch NIS heavily, though? |
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| 01:46.51 | matiu | What's the package to get all the dev tools (gcc and friends)? |
| 01:46.53 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: but yes, in general, pam_ldap is well loved |
| 01:46.55 | Uncle_Muscle | it isn't 1989? |
| 01:47.02 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: uhhh, no, because then it wouldn't work :) |
| 01:47.06 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: fixing NIS would make it something else |
| 01:47.09 | Wyzard | flaco: You have an unmet dependency... did you install python-glade-1.2 manually with dpkg? |
| 01:47.35 | JordiGH | pipeline_: Hm. Okay. So can you tell me where to begin reading? A Debian read, preferrably. |
| 01:47.45 | flaco | Wyzard: I was installing from apt... |
| 01:47.51 | JordiGH | pipeline_: The HOWTO is cluttered with details that I'm sure the Debian packagers have already fixed. |
| 01:48.20 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: I would try the libpam-ldap documentation. |
| 01:48.23 | Wyzard | flaco: The solution is to install the python-gtk-1.2 package, but apt should have done that automatically already |
| 01:48.27 | Wyzard | flaco: Try "apt-get install -f" |
| 01:48.31 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: Any LDAP implementation is going to have manuals that explain the basics of WTF LDAP is. |
| 01:48.47 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: LDAP schemas vary pretty wildly. So, err, try to stick with something close to the defaults :) |
| 01:48.59 | flaco | Wyzard: when I try to install that package it fails... and the apt-get install -f does not work |
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| 01:49.10 | Wyzard | flaco: Paste the error message from that, then |
| 01:49.12 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: And, remember, OpenLDAP is hell, OpenDS isn't featureful enough to use. That leaves RHDS (NS LDAP 5.1), Sun (NS LDAP 5.2), and MS AD. |
| 01:49.24 | Wyzard | flaco: btw, all this GTK 1.2 stuff is quite obsolete |
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| 01:50.12 | Gm4n | can someone refresh my memory as to which utility I should use to create a raid1 device? (/dev/md0) |
| 01:50.23 | Wyzard | Gm4n: mdadm |
| 01:50.27 | Gm4n | aha, right, I have to install it =) |
| 01:50.31 | Renso | hi guys... I need the name of room for asterisk in spanish anny idea? |
| 01:50.53 | Wyzard | Renso: I don't know about Asterisk, but if you're installing it on Debian, you could try #debian-es |
| 01:51.12 | flaco | Wyzard: solved... I delete the /var/lib/dpkg/info relations with the python glade package |
| 01:51.13 | Renso | ok, thk bye |
| 01:51.16 | JordiGH | pipeline_: rhds doesn't seem to be in Debian... |
| 01:51.47 | blahdeblah | I have backports kernel 2.6.18-4 failing to build an initrd on sarge: http://rafb.net/p/lPNZEk85.html - any ideas? |
| 01:51.47 | blahdeblah | Google has very little of consequence that is up-to-date, and mostly for people who build their own kernels, which i don't. |
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| 01:51.58 | Wyzard | flaco: You edited python-glade-1.2's metadata and removed the dependency on python-gtk-1.2? |
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| 01:52.22 | flaco | Wyzard: yes |
| 01:52.29 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: ehhh, that would surprise me |
| 01:52.50 | Wyzard | flaco: That's a rather bad idea... Glade stuff really does need GTK to work, and those info files are managed by dpkg and your change will be overwritten at some point |
| 01:53.04 | JordiGH | pipeline_: No type? Googling for "rhds ldap" gives 6 hits. |
| 01:53.07 | JordiGH | typo |
| 01:53.08 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: ahah, it's called fedora ds now |
| 01:53.09 | Wyzard | flaco: The correct way to resolve a dependency problem is to install the dependency, not to pretend the dependency doesn't exist |
| 01:53.19 | Wyzard | flaco: Why are you unable to install python-gtk-1.2? |
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| 01:53.37 | Kaiten4 | Wyzard: what dependency problem? :) |
| 01:53.58 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: looks like your best bet is to use alien on the rpms :( |
| 01:54.04 | juso | if I want to migrate users from one system to another its just /etc/passwd, shadow, and group, yes? |
| 01:54.12 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Howto:DebianUbuntu eh? |
| 01:54.14 | JordiGH | pipeline_: You're still sure this is better than NIS? |
| 01:54.24 | Wyzard | juso: and gshadow, and home directories, and mail spools |
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| 01:54.34 | pipeline_ | JordiGH: 'fraid so. Sad commentary on industry, isn't it. |
| 01:54.37 | juso | yeah I already did home dirs.. and mail |
| 01:54.56 | juso | what is shadow- and gshadow- ? |
| 01:54.58 | juso | backups? |
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| 01:55.05 | Wyzard | I believe so |
| 01:55.20 | juso | ok sweet.. thanks |
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| 02:01.16 | karsten | juso: Yes. |
| 02:01.31 | karsten | juso: See also /var/backups/ |
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| 02:04.25 | wookienz | monring. i have an already established deb box with three nics. I want to make one nic create the pppoe link to the adsl modem. is there a debconf that will set it up or can i manually add in the details in /interfaces? |
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| 02:05.24 | ferret | Hi. |
| 02:06.55 | karsten | wookienz: Just add manually |
| 02:07.49 | wookienz | karsten, auto up and dhcp assign? is that all? do i have to add any ppp stuff in there... and i assume the pppoe daemon will do the rest? |
| 02:08.44 | karsten | wookienz: I haven't played with ppoe myself. |
| 02:08.50 | karsten | s/pp/ppp/ |
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| 02:09.39 | cwheeler | hi jetscreamer |
| 02:09.59 | jetscreamer | hey |
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| 02:10.22 | cwheeler | you ever set up kernel raid with debian install cd? |
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| 02:11.45 | Uncle_Muscle | kernel raid? |
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| 02:12.07 | cwheeler | right |
| 02:12.14 | cwheeler | md |
| 02:12.28 | Uncle_Muscle | the kernel doesn't do raid, but it supports it |
| 02:12.43 | cwheeler | the kernel does raid, i have used it |
| 02:12.51 | Uncle_Muscle | the kernel doesn't "do" raid |
| 02:12.53 | Uncle_Muscle | it supports it |
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| 02:12.55 | cwheeler | i just wanna know how to set it up easy |
| 02:12.56 | Uncle_Muscle | two very different things |
| 02:13.01 | cwheeler | yes |
| 02:13.12 | Uncle_Muscle | if you're looking to span, use LVM |
| 02:13.17 | cwheeler | but the kernel does raid as well as supporting hardware raid cards |
| 02:13.24 | cwheeler | i'm looking to mirror |
| 02:13.31 | Uncle_Muscle | once again: the kernel doesn't DO raid |
| 02:13.34 | Uncle_Muscle | it supports it |
| 02:13.40 | Uncle_Muscle | the userland tools do the raid |
| 02:13.40 | cwheeler | i bet you $1000 it does |
| 02:13.49 | Uncle_Muscle | and the kernel supports the result |
| 02:13.58 | cwheeler | the userland tools set it up |
| 02:13.59 | Uncle_Muscle | at any rate, you can create the mirror after you install |
| 02:14.06 | cwheeler | true |
| 02:14.08 | cwheeler | i've done that |
| 02:14.14 | Kaiten4 | how do I patch a single file with a diff? |
| 02:14.32 | cwheeler | make diffs or apply them? |
| 02:14.36 | cwheeler | with patch? |
| 02:14.40 | Kaiten4 | I have a diff, how do I appy it? |
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| 02:14.47 | dondelelcaro | Kaiten4: with patch |
| 02:14.49 | cwheeler | with patch |
| 02:14.51 | cwheeler | man patch |
| 02:14.56 | cwheeler | i forget exact syntax |
| 02:15.02 | Bogus8 | anyone know of any good fetchmail howto's? |
| 02:15.16 | dondelelcaro | patch -pN -i foo.diff; where N is the correct number. man patch; for details. |
| 02:15.17 | stoned | I bet google does |
| 02:15.24 | Kaiten4 | I am trying to patch a VMware script with a diff someone posted in a forum as a workaround to faulty insmod |
| 02:15.45 | Uncle_Muscle | what's the name of the script |
| 02:15.50 | Uncle_Muscle | any-any? |
| 02:15.52 | Kaiten4 | dondelelcaro: do you know the correct number for a single file, no directories? |
| 02:15.53 | Bogus8 | I don't really want to remove the email from my isp's server.. just d/l it and run some filters on it (procmail?) and then forward some of the emails based on criteria... maybe forward subject and only the first few lines of the body |
| 02:15.58 | dondelelcaro | Kaiten4: -p0 |
| 02:16.11 | Kaiten4 | Uncle_Muscle: no, http://www.vmware.com/community/thread.jspa?threadID=85612 |
| 02:16.24 | Bogus8 | stoned: I am googling... but most is rather vague or just "here put these values in" with out much of the "why" |
| 02:17.16 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: well, the why is in man fetchmailrc |
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| 02:17.59 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: well, I've glanced at that and it seems to be the extreme opposite... too much info or the wording is maybe just too tech for me to grasp it being that I've never messed with it before |
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| 02:18.02 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: check out the CONFIGURATION EXAMPLES; section, and then read back through the options in the manpage to see what they're doing if things don't make sense. |
| 02:18.05 | Bogus8 | man files tend to do that sometimes |
| 02:18.17 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: I'll give that a go |
| 02:18.41 | Bogus8 | after about 10 mins of reading all the options I went looking for a howto to help simplify it a little |
| 02:18.44 | Bogus8 | just not that much |
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| 02:19.40 | dondelelcaro | well, there's really no point in reading all of the options |
| 02:20.11 | dondelelcaro | all you want to do is figure out (for starters) how to rip mail off the remote system and deliver it locally. That's what that section of the manpage will give you |
| 02:20.19 | dondelelcaro | if you don't understand bits of it, then you go back through |
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| 02:21.00 | Uncle_Muscle | reiser2 went to go find his journal, i guess |
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| 02:22.11 | cwheeler | now's hans doing with the legal system? |
| 02:22.17 | cwheeler | has his wife turned up? |
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| 02:22.30 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: it always talks about delivering... do you HAVE to have a delivery location if you just want to run it through procmail and forward it out again? |
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| 02:23.00 | Bogus8 | that's something that I don't see easily covered in a basic howto or man file as it's kind of out of step with most uses of fetchmail |
| 02:23.10 | stoned | hey |
| 02:23.17 | stoned | what/ |
| 02:23.31 | Uncle_Muscle | good ol' hans |
| 02:23.52 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: yes; in your case though, the delivery location is just procmail |
| 02:24.49 | dondelelcaro | (though you'd usually deliver it to the local MDA and have procmail shoot it back out) |
| 02:25.01 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: ok... that helps me to get pointed in the right direction |
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| 02:25.17 | Bogus8 | that is the other intemidating factor... I have to basically learn 3 apps all at once ;) |
| 02:25.26 | cwheeler | which 3? |
| 02:25.35 | jetscreamer | intimidate |
| 02:25.49 | Bogus8 | fetchmail, procmail, and then a sendmail or equivilent.. haven't found out which of these I will use |
| 02:25.51 | jetscreamer | !intimidate Bogus8 |
| 02:26.10 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: thank you... I originally typed it that way then changed it haha |
| 02:26.24 | Kaiten4 | !intimidate kaiten4 |
| 02:26.32 | cwheeler | I like procmail |
| 02:26.42 | cwheeler | fetchmail is pretty easy |
| 02:26.54 | cwheeler | procmail has lots of examples |
| 02:26.55 | Kaiten4 | procmail is cool |
| 02:28.06 | cwheeler | yes |
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| 02:31.32 | Kaiten4 | how do I apply a patch when the .diff doesn't say what file it's applying? |
| 02:32.14 | matiu | Kaiten4, patch fileToPatch mypatch.diff |
| 02:32.34 | matiu | but of course you have to know what fileToPatch is :) |
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| 02:32.57 | Gm4n | One of the NICs on my etch system isn't responding. I've ruled out hardware and driver problems, so it must be a routing issue. However, to the best of my ability to determine, there's nothing wrong with my /etc/network/interfaces file. Is anyone willing to take a look at it? |
| 02:33.18 | Kaiten4 | matiu: of course. thank you. |
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| 02:34.17 | jetscreamer | Gm4n: for me, allow-hotplug in /etc/network/interfaces instead of auto eth0 my nic borks .. all i know |
| 02:35.28 | stoned | why o why |
| 02:35.31 | jetscreamer | !anyone |
| 02:35.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 02:35.33 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 02:35.33 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:35.35 | stoned | what is the travesty with people |
| 02:35.38 | stoned | !jetscreamer |
| 02:35.38 | dpkg | jetscreamer is not to be fucked with. |
| 02:35.44 | stoned | oh damn |
| 02:35.45 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 02:35.50 | stoned | ok sir |
| 02:35.59 | jetscreamer | i forgot about that one |
| 02:36.04 | stoned | time to make like a joint and smoke myself |
| 02:36.07 | stoned | later |
| 02:36.07 | jetscreamer | !factinfo jetscreamer |
| 02:36.07 | dpkg | jetscreamer -- created by jetscreamer <~jetscream@adsl-64-219-216-41.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net> at Tue Dec 28 07:44:14 2004 (968 days); it has been requested 6 times, last by stoned, 29s ago; it has been locked by jetscreamer. |
| 02:36.14 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 02:36.22 | jetscreamer | almost 1000 days |
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| 02:36.41 | Gm4n | jetscreamer: unfortunately, mine is not set to allow-hotplug |
| 02:37.01 | jetscreamer | Gm4n: beyond me then :/ |
| 02:37.29 | jetscreamer | hell that was 3 isp's ago |
| 02:37.46 | jetscreamer | well swbell did become att so 2 |
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| 02:39.16 | jetscreamer | !find lustre |
| 02:39.18 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'lustre' (3): liblustre ;; lustre-dev ;; lustre-utils. |
| 02:41.09 | bjorkimacg3 | what do i need to add to my xorg.conf to allow for ctl+alt+ +/- sequences? |
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| 02:41.30 | bjorkimacg3 | xorg.conf doesn't have the dontzap option at all. |
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| 02:41.41 | jetscreamer | you have to add it |
| 02:41.44 | jetscreamer | man xorg.conf |
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| 02:41.55 | bjorkimacg3 | i have to add it and THEN turn it off? |
| 02:42.00 | bjorkimacg3 | dont zap off? |
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| 02:42.44 | janrocks | did you get the dcc sorted with herbws? |
| 02:42.57 | janrocks | oops.. window change.. sorry |
| 02:43.25 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/xorg.conf.5.html |
| 02:43.36 | bjorkimacg3 | i'm already reading it. |
| 02:44.00 | jetscreamer | Option "DontVTSwitch" "boolean" <--this? |
| 02:44.20 | bjorkimacg3 | no. |
| 02:44.26 | jetscreamer | or Option "DontZap" "boolean" |
| 02:44.31 | bjorkimacg3 | Option "DontZap" "boolean" |
| 02:44.42 | bjorkimacg3 | i wanna be able to change from 1024x768 to higher... |
| 02:44.50 | jetscreamer | Serverflags Section |
| 02:45.18 | jetscreamer | xrandr -s 1280x1024 in xterm |
| 02:45.30 | jetscreamer | 1152x864 ... whatever |
| 02:46.04 | bjorkimacg3 | not found in available modes. |
| 02:46.05 | bjorkimacg3 | BAH! |
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| 02:47.26 | jetscreamer | it might need to be listed in xorg.conf |
| 02:48.03 | bjorkimacg3 | it is. |
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| 02:58.44 | kingsley | Is it OK to simply use the "mv" command to move an email out of a maildir directory, or is a special command needed to update some kind of maildir index? |
| 02:59.18 | Marupa | is there a way to see, in realtime, the network card utilization? |
| 03:00.11 | kingsley | Marupa: ntop? |
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| 03:18.23 | Marupa | kingsley, will that also show who's using exactly what amount of my bandwidth at any given slice of time? |
| 03:18.40 | Marupa | like, I wanna see who's using my upload right now. |
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| 03:19.36 | kingsley | Marupa: I'm sorry, I don't know off the top of my head. However, it seems to me that you could always search Google's indices for an answer. |
| 03:19.47 | Marupa | will do, thanks. |
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| 03:24.37 | mick_laptop | anyone else tried using bcm43xx-fwcutter and get a 404? |
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| 03:32.52 | drwahl | are there any ATI drivers for powerpc under linux? |
| 03:33.27 | pickcoder | there is an ati driver for Xorg |
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| 03:33.46 | maxamillion | drwahl: yes, but they are open source and i don't believe the 3d acceleration is very good on one and i don't think the other supports 3d at all |
| 03:34.20 | amphi | maxamillion: 3d accel is ok here on my old radeon 7500 |
| 03:34.24 | maxamillion | drwahl: there is one called 'ati' and another called 'radeon' when you run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 03:34.37 | maxamillion | amphi: you have the radeon or the ati driver? |
| 03:34.49 | maxamillion | i haven't messed with an ati card in a long time |
| 03:35.08 | amphi | maxamillion: ati loads the radeon driver if it detects one, it makes no difference which I use |
| 03:35.11 | hark | ati is just a wrapper driver |
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| 03:35.52 | maxamillion | amphi: ah, that i didn't know ... |
| 03:36.02 | maxamillion | :) |
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| 03:41.16 | unilynx | amphi: Do you use the drivers from ATI's site? |
| 03:41.25 | unilynx | i have the 7550 |
| 03:43.18 | hark | he can't anyway as fglrx no longer supports the 7500 |
| 03:44.04 | amphi | unilynx: indeed not |
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| 03:49.16 | irgm | i have a RAID 1 array on my system. can I use a live cd to mount one of the drives to test if RAID is really setup? |
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| 03:50.24 | pickcoder | irgm: hardware RAID? |
| 03:51.00 | irgm | pickcoder: software RAID. used the debian installer to create the RAID 1 array |
| 03:51.06 | Kevin` | whoever asked about the raid1 setup: man mdadm |
| 03:51.26 | Kevin` | mdadm -A /dev/md0 /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 |
| 03:51.27 | Kevin` | or whatever |
| 03:51.40 | epsilon | if you created with mdadm, and the kernel of live-cd has mdadm/raid support, then yes |
| 03:53.02 | drwahl | maxamillion: thank you for the ATI info |
| 03:53.22 | irgm | epsilon: i created the array with the debian net installer, did i use mdadm? |
| 03:53.24 | amphi | drwahl: what card is it? |
| 03:53.25 | maxamillion | drwahl: anytime L( |
| 03:53.30 | maxamillion | :)* |
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| 04:12.50 | jetscreamer | stfu |
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| 04:13.11 | jetscreamer | !stfu |
| 04:13.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
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| 04:16.12 | onin | hi all! |
| 04:16.39 | freenot | using 'sudo', why can i not do this = 'sudo cat /dev/null > /etc/issue' ? |
| 04:16.57 | onin | i've have uninstall my apache2 with dpkg --purge now, i'd like to install it again, but the config files are missing, how can i restore it? |
| 04:17.21 | jetscreamer | other way? |
| 04:17.23 | streuner | !irritate jetscreamer |
| 04:17.23 | dpkg | jetscreamer: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 04:17.28 | ameyer | freenot: the "> /etc/issue" part isn't being run as root... |
| 04:17.39 | jetscreamer | cat /etc/issue > /dev/null ? |
| 04:17.52 | freenot | onin: i don't use aptitude to install apache2, always use source ... works everytime |
| 04:17.52 | maxamillion | jetscreamer: HAHAHAHa |
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| 04:18.26 | maxamillion | jetscreamer: i like that, care if i borrow it sometime without properly quoting you? |
| 04:18.34 | freenot | ameyer: i am trying to write scripts to mod a vanilla debian etch, without having to revert to root user if at all possible |
| 04:18.37 | mikefoo | when I tryt o send mail from command line I get an error of "550 No such domain at this location" when use sendmail command |
| 04:18.44 | jetscreamer | it's sgt schultx |
| 04:18.45 | jetscreamer | z |
| 04:18.59 | jetscreamer | feel free |
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| 04:19.00 | jetscreamer | i do |
| 04:19.02 | onin | is there a command to restore to default automatically the removed config files by dpkg purge? |
| 04:19.18 | sshock | freenot: that is a good question |
| 04:19.34 | ameyer | freenot: sudo 'sh -s cat /dev/null > /etc/issue' might work |
| 04:19.51 | freenot | ameyer: i'll try it |
| 04:20.04 | ameyer | or is it sh -c/ |
| 04:20.08 | streuner | onin: apt-get install <package>? |
| 04:20.15 | ameyer | s/\//?/ |
| 04:20.42 | freenot | ameyer: haha, command not found |
| 04:20.44 | onin | streuner: it only installs the package the config file is still missing... |
| 04:20.57 | streuner | onin: what package? |
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| 04:21.19 | ameyer | try bash -c |
| 04:21.19 | mikefoo | when I tryt o send mail from command line I get an error of "550 No such domain at this location" when use sendmail command |
| 04:21.22 | onin | apache2 |
| 04:21.29 | onin | streuner: apache2 |
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| 04:22.14 | sshock | try this: sudo sh -c 'cat /dev/null > /etc/issue' |
| 04:22.37 | drwahl | how do i make it so programs start at login (such as pidgin, icedove, etc.)? |
| 04:22.39 | freenot | sshock: ta |
| 04:22.43 | ameyer | yeah, I slightly butchered the command, I'm sorry |
| 04:23.13 | sshock | freenot: np |
| 04:23.16 | freenot | sshock: worked, thank you heaps |
| 04:23.23 | sshock | np |
| 04:23.44 | sshock | that may come in handy for me someday too |
| 04:23.47 | freenot | that goes into my monster howto/script |
| 04:26.05 | bjorkimacg3 | why would running two X servers leave one with fewer crayons to play with? |
| 04:26.28 | freenot | themolester: er, nice nick |
| 04:26.50 | bjorkimacg3 | !free. nice nick. |
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| 04:28.46 | jetscreamer | !nickometer bjorkimacg3 |
| 04:28.47 | dpkg | 'bjorkimacg3' is 22.000% lame, jetscreamer |
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| 04:29.53 | freenot | sshock: cmd => sudo sh -c 'echo "Gentoo sucks Debian wind \n \l" > /etc/issue' works fine too |
| 04:30.30 | kingsley | Does a plugin exist for Firefox that allows searching web pages for regular expressions? |
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| 04:34.27 | streuner | onin: etc/apache2/apache2.conf? |
| 04:35.32 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: not to my knowledge, but there's rarely much point to that |
| 04:36.06 | dondelelcaro | kingsley: if you want to search with regular expressions, you usually want to do something with it after you've searched. In such cases, GET or links -dump or similar with sed or perl or grep is far better. |
| 04:37.46 | freenot | kingsley: what do you want to search? is it ordinary webpages or pages of online code? |
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| 04:38.22 | streuner | onin: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=apache2.2-common&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 04:38.39 | onin | thanks man! |
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| 04:51.23 | troubled | freenot: http://pastebin.ca/raw/668841 |
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| 04:54.05 | R4M0N | hey everyone |
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| 04:55.00 | Supaplex|roaming | ay' |
| 04:55.57 | freenot | troubled: ? |
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| 04:56.20 | R4M0N | i'm back with my network device problem :( now i figured that i can get my nforce ethernet device to work under debian with the forcedeth kernel module, but on every restart it generates a new eth device, and writed a new rule into my /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules file. if i delete the rules it starts numbering them from eth0, but on every restart i get a new eth device again... any ideas? |
| 04:57.11 | sshock | that's weird |
| 04:57.23 | nvz | for some reason character repeat seems to have turned off on this terminal if I hold down left it only goes back one space.. what could be the problem? |
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| 04:58.24 | bjorkimacg3 | character repeat seems to have turned off, nvz |
| 04:58.38 | jetscreamer | !lart bjorkimacg3 |
| 04:58.45 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:58.57 | bjorkimacg3 | crazy screamer |
| 04:59.27 | jetscreamer | i'm a 5 year old who's been taught to kill |
| 04:59.27 | cwheeler | cool |
| 04:59.34 | cwheeler | i'm lucky you dunno where i live |
| 05:00.05 | R4M0N | is there anybody who knows the z45_persistent-net-generator.rules file inside and out? :S |
| 05:00.27 | troubled | freenot: thought you might be interested in knowing your not the only one who is offended |
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| 05:00.58 | cwheeler | offended by what? |
| 05:01.15 | jetscreamer | i rather suspect you don't want to click his link |
| 05:01.26 | cwheeler | tubgirl.com? |
| 05:01.28 | jetscreamer | or, maybe you do |
| 05:01.31 | troubled | jetscreamer: it would appear so lol |
| 05:01.45 | cwheeler | do not click that link, i was damaged for life by it |
| 05:01.46 | jetscreamer | [23.51.35] <troubled> freenot: http://pastebin.ca/raw/668841 |
| 05:01.56 | jetscreamer | i probably clicked it already |
| 05:02.01 | troubled | jetscreamer: heh, nice stardate format btw |
| 05:02.02 | jetscreamer | a week ago |
| 05:02.12 | cwheeler | well not actually, i have a pretty high damage threshold |
| 05:02.28 | jetscreamer | the ascii artwork did seem impeccable though |
| 05:02.32 | troubled | jetscreamer: star trek'ish? |
| 05:02.47 | jetscreamer | i just prefer . |
| 05:03.02 | jetscreamer | probably is... i'm a trekkie |
| 05:03.04 | troubled | it does seem to look nicer for phone numbers etc as well |
| 05:03.13 | jetscreamer | yeah i do that too |
| 05:03.21 | troubled | looks sharp on business cards imho |
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| 05:03.31 | Supaplex|roaming | jetscreamer: cwheeler lives at 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:03.32 | jetscreamer | !wb Bhaal |
| 05:03.32 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Bhaal has returned! |
| 05:03.35 | unlink | when i try to start hald, i get a bus error |
| 05:03.39 | cwheeler | yup |
| 05:03.45 | cwheeler | that's my ip |
| 05:03.51 | R4M0N | what can i do if i get a new eth device on each bootup? its getting really annoying when you have eth10 and eth20 :S i have no idea how to google this problem |
| 05:03.55 | unlink | avahi-daemon also fails to start |
| 05:03.57 | jetscreamer | no i have that ip! it's MINE |
| 05:04.00 | unlink | this is amd64/sid |
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| 05:04.08 | cwheeler | hahaha |
| 05:04.12 | cwheeler | ip sharing |
| 05:04.18 | sangriag | hi could anyone suggest or pass me where can I download either book antiqua or palatino linotype fonts? |
| 05:04.32 | jetscreamer | R4M0N: something to do with the udev rules... ask also in #nvidia 'maybe' but it might be ot in there |
| 05:04.41 | troubled | Supaplex|roaming: don't feel bad, I still get rfc1918's from my isp on a daily basis sometimes |
| 05:04.51 | Supaplex|roaming | troubled: ouch |
| 05:05.02 | troubled | Supaplex|roaming: must be a "feature" |
| 05:05.08 | jetscreamer | unlink: so does 32bit function? |
| 05:05.09 | Supaplex|roaming | haha |
| 05:05.11 | cwheeler | is there an easy way to change the ls sort order in debian? |
| 05:05.17 | R4M0N | jetscreamer: i know im looking around in the udev settings and googleing but nothing so far ... |
| 05:05.25 | Supaplex|roaming | cwheeler: env var. man ls |
| 05:05.28 | Supaplex|roaming | afaik |
| 05:05.36 | unlink | jetscreamer: what do you mean? |
| 05:05.37 | cwheeler | how about the keys iceweasle uses, can I change them back to traditional unix keys? |
| 05:05.43 | cwheeler | thanks Supaplex|roaming |
| 05:06.00 | jetscreamer | unlink: afaik it's only for the video driver in there, but i'm not sure |
| 05:06.06 | jetscreamer | #nvidia |
| 05:06.07 | unlink | jetscreamer: ? |
| 05:06.21 | jetscreamer | ask also in ... /join #nvidia |
| 05:06.26 | unlink | jetscreamer: hald causes a bus error ... what does that have to do with nvidia? |
| 05:06.32 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 05:06.35 | unlink | *hald dies with a bus error |
| 05:06.38 | jetscreamer | no not you fo rthat |
| 05:06.46 | jetscreamer | sorry wrong nick |
| 05:06.59 | unlink | ah |
| 05:07.09 | Supaplex|roaming | unlink: vw bus is so 1960. upgrade man. ;) |
| 05:07.14 | unlink | hmm |
| 05:07.19 | unlink | is that just a bug in the application? |
| 05:07.26 | unlink | unfortunately i need hald for stuff :( |
| 05:07.30 | jetscreamer | works here |
| 05:07.38 | unlink | what version |
| 05:07.48 | Supaplex|roaming | stuff version 2.44.7 |
| 05:08.06 | unlink | oh, gdm dies with a bus error too |
| 05:08.09 | jetscreamer | make that 'there' .. other computet |
| 05:08.11 | jetscreamer | r |
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| 05:08.20 | jetscreamer | the one in sid |
| 05:09.45 | unlink | i'd copy it to you but gpm also doesn't work :( |
| 05:11.03 | unlink | oh snap |
| 05:11.14 | unlink | it's libgobject-2.0.so.0 that's causing the problem |
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| 05:11.57 | unlink | i have 2.14.0-2 isntalled |
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| 05:16.52 | R4M0N | i hacked this bitch udev :P deleted /etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules and no more ethX++ :P |
| 05:17.03 | R4M0N | no more eth20 :P |
| 05:17.06 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 05:17.17 | jetscreamer | !congratulate R4M0N |
| 05:17.17 | dpkg | Woohoo R4M0N, you did it! |
| 05:18.02 | R4M0N | this is y i love linux... these little things that give u the feeling of success when u fix them :D |
| 05:19.11 | troubled | R4M0N: thats why we put the bugs there for you to discover ;) |
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| 05:20.07 | streuner | no matter what you use, be prepared to FIX problems within ANY OS's |
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| 05:23.54 | predder | if I make a change in /etc/login.defs, is that change immediate on the operating system or do I need to do something else? |
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| 05:25.41 | obnautic1s | Does rtorrent have an encryption option? |
| 05:25.45 | obnautic1s | Because i don't see it in the config :/ |
| 05:26.39 | quitte | hi. with one of the last sid upgrades dri got disabled on my system. the card is a radeon r200. |
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| 05:38.40 | solid_liq | anyone know if I can run a debian netinstall on a headless machine? |
| 05:40.24 | solid_liq | or am I going to have to plug a keyboard and monitor into it before I boot it with the netinstall disc? |
| 05:40.40 | mick_laptop | solid_liq: i'd do the later |
| 05:40.54 | mick_laptop | it is possible, you'll spend an hour looking at how to do it |
| 05:40.54 | solid_liq | mick_laptop: but can I do the former? |
| 05:41.02 | solid_liq | mick_laptop: I don't care |
| 05:41.04 | mick_laptop | i know it can be done |
| 05:41.18 | solid_liq | it'd be easier for me |
| 05:41.20 | mick_laptop | it will be faster to just install it |
| 05:41.33 | mick_laptop | you can predefine what should be installed too |
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| 05:41.47 | solid_liq | I'd prefer to do it all via ssh |
| 05:41.49 | mick_laptop | i forget what it is called |
| 05:41.57 | solid_liq | I did that with gentoo a few years ago |
| 05:43.51 | mbroeker | solid_liq, how do you want to start the netinstaller disc? you can't chroot into it afaik |
| 05:44.19 | solid_liq | mbroeker: preferably just put it in, boot it, then go over to another machine and ssh in |
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| 05:45.10 | twb | I'm bored. Dance, for my amusement. |
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| 05:46.07 | obnautic1s | Hey guys, im trying to install the latest version of rtorrent, and it's not out on aptitude so im trying to build and i get this error http://pastebin.ca/668864 |
| 05:46.09 | tenemag | Hi, having some issues getting a network adapter installed |
| 05:46.43 | tenemag | i have a 3com card.. older toshiba laptop |
| 05:46.51 | tenemag | Not sure why the card isn't receiving power or powering up |
| 05:47.04 | tenemag | Netinst worked great, downlaoded all packages |
| 05:47.14 | tenemag | and now I can't seem to figure out how to *use* the system |
| 05:47.16 | twb | tenemag: a PCI card? |
| 05:47.22 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, you will need another version of autoconf / automake, too |
| 05:47.31 | obnautic1s | hmm |
| 05:47.46 | mbroeker | automake 1.4, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, 1,9 or so |
| 05:48.02 | tenemag | PCMCIA |
| 05:48.03 | Supaplex|roaming | is there a pdf of http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ ? |
| 05:48.10 | tenemag | Etherlink 3 |
| 05:48.13 | twb | obnautic1s: try running `autoreconf' |
| 05:48.19 | tenemag | one of those older ones with the dongle |
| 05:48.19 | obnautic1s | k |
| 05:48.31 | twb | tenemag: ah, right |
| 05:48.33 | obnautic1s | k done |
| 05:48.44 | twb | tenemag: do you have cardbus "stuff" installed... daemons and similar? |
| 05:48.57 | obnautic1s | same error twb, mbroeker |
| 05:49.06 | obnautic1s | mbroeker: how do i update those two.... |
| 05:49.12 | obnautic1s | I don't wanna screw my builders up lol. |
| 05:49.16 | twb | obnautic1s: what version are you trying to compile? |
| 05:49.17 | tenemag | ummm I believe so |
| 05:49.29 | obnautic1s | twb: of rtorrent? |
| 05:49.31 | tenemag | twb: it worked during install, downloaded all packages |
| 05:49.46 | tenemag | twb: now I try to actually ifconfig eth0 up and eth0 doesn't exist |
| 05:49.46 | twb | obnautic1s: no, of Ghandi |
| 05:49.51 | obnautic1s | err twb |
| 05:49.52 | obnautic1s | lol. |
| 05:49.57 | obnautic1s | I'm trying to apt-get it. |
| 05:49.59 | twb | tenemag: it might not be called eth0. |
| 05:50.01 | solid_liq | too bad I don't have an iLO |
| 05:50.02 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, there is nothing screwed up after installing multiple versions of autoconf/automake |
| 05:50.06 | tenemag | this has happened to me once in the past when I installed a new PCI card in a desktop |
| 05:50.12 | tenemag | I had to modprobe it or something |
| 05:50.30 | twb | tenemag: does lspci list the device? |
| 05:50.33 | obnautic1s | mbroeker: how do I install it with aptitude... im much too used to emerge. |
| 05:50.47 | tenemag | hold on |
| 05:50.56 | mbroeker | pick the proper names and install it |
| 05:51.09 | obnautic1s | mbroeker: I believe i have the most updated version from aptitude, that's why. |
| 05:51.09 | twb | obnautic1s: `aptitude install foo' |
| 05:51.11 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, apt-get install automaken |
| 05:51.12 | obnautic1s | I'll try it anyway... |
| 05:51.23 | twb | Oh, you want the build dependencies? |
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| 05:51.30 | twb | obnautic1s: `apt-get build-dep rtorrent' |
| 05:51.32 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, that will give you the list of possible automake(n) |
| 05:51.32 | tenemag | nope, i dont see it |
| 05:51.37 | obnautic1s | autoconf is already the newest version. |
| 05:51.56 | twb | `fakeroot apt-get --build source rtorrent' |
| 05:52.02 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, it doesnt depend on the newest version |
| 05:52.13 | mbroeker | every package needs a specific automake tool |
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| 05:52.32 | obnautic1s | the package on aptitude is outdated. |
| 05:52.39 | mbroeker | and that depends on the autoconf version the developers used during their creative phasis |
| 05:52.54 | dimir | Moin! |
| 05:53.04 | tenemag | twb: what should I do? :-\ |
| 05:53.41 | twb | tenemag: I'm not familiar with cardbus devices, sorry. |
| 05:53.52 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, the ssl-dev packs are installed, anyway? |
| 05:54.00 | obnautic1s | I think :/ |
| 05:54.17 | Kevin` | tenemag cardbus is essentially pci, but a bit slower, and with hotplug |
| 05:54.20 | obnautic1s | lemme see |
| 05:54.26 | obnautic1s | libssl-dev is already the newest version. |
| 05:54.45 | Kevin` | tenemag are you sure the card you have isn't pcmcia? if it's old it probably is. |
| 05:54.55 | mbroeker | ok in this case your ./configure script doesnt know the tokens and bails out. |
| 05:54.56 | tenemag | it is pcmcia |
| 05:54.58 | twb | Kevin`: I was the one that said `cardbus' |
| 05:55.04 | tenemag | ^ |
| 05:55.10 | twb | Kevin`: I was just guessing on the basis that most of it is |
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| 05:55.35 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, try this: automake && autoconf && ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
| 05:55.36 | Kevin` | tenemag what does cardctl ident say |
| 05:55.42 | tenemag | hold on lemme see |
| 05:55.45 | obnautic1s | k |
| 05:56.05 | R4M0N | is anyone runnig ntfs-3g on etch? i keep bumping into dependency problems with the fuse packages... |
| 05:56.06 | tenemag | Heh command not found |
| 05:56.10 | obnautic1s | Same error mbroeker |
| 05:56.16 | Kevin` | !find bin/cardctl |
| 05:56.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/cardctl' returned no results. |
| 05:56.27 | Kevin` | .. |
| 05:56.32 | Kevin` | !find cardctl |
| 05:56.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cardctl' (2): (/sbin/pccardctl) in admin/pcmciautils ;; (/usr/include/opensc/cardctl.h) in libdevel/libopensc2-dev. |
| 05:56.50 | Kevin` | ^ |
| 05:57.04 | twb | pcmciautils, that's what I was thinking of |
| 05:57.17 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, can you paste the download link for the torrent pacakge? |
| 05:57.25 | tenemag | ran the command, nothing |
| 05:57.35 | Kevin` | "nothing"? |
| 05:57.36 | obnautic1s | Is it ok if it's an svn repository mbroeker ? |
| 05:57.45 | mbroeker | no prob, obnautic1s |
| 05:57.53 | obnautic1s | svn://rakshasa.no/libtorrent/trunk |
| 05:58.01 | obnautic1s | I am trying to compile trunk/libtorrent |
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| 05:58.53 | tenemag | kevin, no, it just goes to a blank prompt |
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| 05:59.02 | tenemag | :-\ |
| 05:59.08 | Kevin` | tenemag well, that's annoying. |
| 05:59.25 | Kevin` | try the other status comands in cardctl and see if you can get it to give a more useful error |
| 05:59.43 | tenemag | aight |
| 06:00.13 | Guerin | !wayc tenemag |
| 06:00.13 | dpkg | tenemag: Why are you compiling instead of using aptitude? |
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| 06:00.27 | tenemag | i've tried every one of them |
| 06:00.39 | Guerin | rtorrent is in debian |
| 06:00.41 | tenemag | guerin: not compiling |
| 06:00.45 | obnautic1s | Not the most updated version Guerin |
| 06:00.52 | obnautic1s | and I need encryption because comcast is blocking out seeders now. |
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| 06:01.05 | Guerin | obnautic1s: the version I have supports encryption |
| 06:01.11 | obnautic1s | From aptitude? |
| 06:01.15 | Guerin | obnautic1s: 0.7.1, I believe |
| 06:01.17 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:01.18 | obnautic1s | Ya, i had 0.6 |
| 06:01.23 | tenemag | kevin, still nothing :-\ |
| 06:01.25 | obnautic1s | in my aptitude it's 0.6... |
| 06:01.28 | obnautic1s | How do i update again? |
| 06:01.29 | Guerin | what branch of debian? |
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| 06:03.31 | obnautic2s | My bad. |
| 06:03.40 | obnautic2s | How do I update it again lol. |
| 06:04.08 | freenot | argh, somebody typed 'my bad' ... |
| 06:05.03 | streuner | obnautic1s: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:05.04 | Guerin | freenot: what's incromulent about that? |
| 06:05.17 | obnautic2s | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:05.29 | Guerin | obnautic1s: /msg dpkg backport |
| 06:05.53 | freenot | Guerin: another bastardisation that makes it's way into contemporary english, hi Guerin btw |
| 06:05.59 | obnautic2s | k |
| 06:06.00 | tenemag | so does anyone have any ideas how to get this pcmcia ethernet card working? |
| 06:06.04 | tenemag | :-\ |
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| 06:06.23 | tenemag | I just spent like 5 hours installing a debian base system on an old Pentium 50Mhz system |
| 06:06.24 | tenemag | lol |
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| 06:06.38 | Guerin | freenot: one man's bastardisations are another man's beamishlings |
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| 06:06.58 | wfq | hi |
| 06:07.02 | Guerin | tenemag: PCMCIA should Just Work |
| 06:07.05 | freenot | Guerin: indeed |
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| 06:07.54 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, ok i got it to work |
| 06:08.01 | wfq | how can I execute a script by a ssh console and when this console expires does not kill the process (script executing). Something like executing in background |
| 06:08.12 | Guerin | wfq: & |
| 06:08.14 | tenemag | Nope... nothing :-\ I had to install it using "Low memory mode" so i'm not sure if that might be the issue |
| 06:08.14 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, i needed to apt-get install libtool and then, it works and builds |
| 06:08.22 | tenemag | any way to "start" pcmcia? |
| 06:08.34 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, run the ./autogen.sh script inside the folder |
| 06:08.35 | jetscreamer | i was wondering when they were going to fix that deprecated pcmcia kernel thing that discover seem to use in this stock install of lenny |
| 06:08.45 | jetscreamer | seems |
| 06:09.07 | wfq | I could modify the ssh_server and use restart the ssh but I don't have permissions enough to do it |
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| 06:09.29 | wfq | hi Guerin |
| 06:09.48 | Guerin | wfq: script & |
| 06:09.51 | Guerin | easy |
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| 06:10.22 | tenemag | jetscreamer: what you mean? |
| 06:10.24 | wfq | oh it is true :) Thanks guerin |
| 06:10.39 | jetscreamer | exactly what i said |
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| 06:11.07 | jetscreamer | dmesg if you have pcmcia |
| 06:11.44 | solid_liq | the netinstaller is erroring out at "falied to load installer components from CD" which is jfsutils-deb this a common prob? I used find and couldn't find jfsutils on the disc |
| 06:12.18 | solid_liq | jfsutils-udeb actually |
| 06:12.47 | kazim52 | Is it possible to install debian from an iso image? How |
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| 06:13.15 | tenemag | jetscreamer: typed dmesg and I didnt' see anything in the list pointing to pcmcia or my 3com card |
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| 06:13.33 | solid_liq | wfq: or you could use nohup or run it inside a screen session |
| 06:14.26 | mbroeker | obnautic1s, and the automake tools can be configured with update-alternative --config automake :) |
| 06:14.39 | wfq | the Guerin's solution I knew but I had forgotten but nohup is a opiton to run the script? is this wrapped in the exec command? |
| 06:15.03 | wfq | solid_liq, it is jut to know another solution |
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| 06:15.55 | tenemag | btw, i'm using whatever is the current testing build right now |
| 06:16.06 | tenemag | not sure if "etch" is still the current testing build or not |
| 06:16.20 | solid_liq | wfq: nohup dowhatever |
| 06:16.22 | obnautic2s | ok umm |
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| 06:16.42 | obnautic2s | Guerin: I did apt-get update after i added the backports repository to my sources.list |
| 06:17.27 | kazim52 | I want to install debian from keeping an iso on my harddisk while using the cd just to boot the installer? (like fedora offers) |
| 06:17.45 | solid_liq | my netinst disc passes the md5 sum test, but the installer claims it can't read a file from it |
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| 06:18.04 | Noborusan | hi guys |
| 06:18.17 | Noborusan | i cannot believe it i need a kernel upgrade again ? |
| 06:18.31 | tenemag | please guys? does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on how to get PCMCIA working? |
| 06:18.41 | mbroeker | Noborusan, whats wrong with it? |
| 06:18.42 | Noborusan | apt-get update,then apt-get upgrade,says The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 06:18.47 | Noborusan | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 06:19.01 | Noborusan | but i don't get the security email |
| 06:19.20 | Noborusan | i mean,i am already running 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 06:19.48 | Noborusan | i was running 2.6.18-4-686 couple of days ago,then apt-get install kernel-image .... to upgrade to 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 06:20.28 | Noborusan | after that i apt-get update && apt-get upgrade,says i need to upgrade kernel again,someone told me this time it is a meta package or so,so i accepted it |
| 06:20.40 | Noborusan | now,it reminds me to upgrade kernel again, hmmm |
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| 06:22.17 | Noborusan | et:1 http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.18+6etch2 [2256B] |
| 06:22.25 | Noborusan | hmm done,so small size ? |
| 06:23.09 | tenemag | Does *anyone* know how to set up PCMCIA |
| 06:23.27 | Kevin` | tenemag do you have the bus driver installed for your.. bus? |
| 06:23.34 | Kevin` | the pcmcia controller |
| 06:23.43 | tenemag | how would I check that |
| 06:24.01 | Kevin` | find what controller you have. lspci will probably show it |
| 06:24.07 | tenemag | it worked before I rebooted from the installer as I used a PCMCIA card to install |
| 06:24.07 | Kevin` | find what driver it uses, and see if it's loaded, or load it |
| 06:24.13 | tenemag | lspci doesn't show it |
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| 06:24.34 | tenemag | well |
| 06:24.37 | tenemag | I see a "host bridge" |
| 06:24.40 | tenemag | but that's it |
| 06:24.52 | Kevin` | you could boot up the installer and check lsmod part way through it. that's what I did for this old laptop, rather then guessing or using google :) |
| 06:24.56 | tenemag | "Toshiba Host Bridge PCI to CPU" |
| 06:25.11 | obnautic2s | Noborusan: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1 |
| 06:25.11 | obnautic2s | err |
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| 06:25.25 | tenemag | what *should* lsmod show me in the installer? |
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| 06:25.33 | epsilon | xen anyone? I just installed fresh etch and xen-kernel. while booting the kernel reports a panic and reboots after 5sec(!) and I can't read all the message - any known issue? |
| 06:25.44 | Noborusan | obnautic2s, hmm |
| 06:25.47 | Kevin` | tenemag all the loaded modules. copy the list somewhere and then reboot, and load them until you find the one that makes it work |
| 06:26.03 | tenemag | ah |
| 06:26.07 | obnautic2s | I don't need to update ldap so can I just skip it? |
| 06:26.10 | Kevin` | tenemag does the computer you have support cardbus? sounds like an isa controller |
| 06:26.12 | tenemag | now what if a module isn't installed :-\ |
| 06:26.17 | tenemag | it is an isa controler |
| 06:26.20 | tenemag | PCMCIA |
| 06:26.23 | Kevin` | tenemag then you install it. |
| 06:26.33 | tenemag | how if I dont have interweb access |
| 06:26.34 | tenemag | lol |
| 06:26.35 | Kevin` | it will probably already be installed though |
| 06:26.40 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 06:26.40 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855 |
| 06:26.43 | jetscreamer | !modprobe |
| 06:26.43 | Kevin` | it will also be on the cd you used |
| 06:26.43 | dpkg | it has been said that modprobe is something you use to install modules with it |
| 06:26.57 | tenemag | <-- used floppies |
| 06:27.04 | obnautic2s | LOL |
| 06:27.06 | Kevin` | it will be on the floppy, then =p |
| 06:27.15 | Kevin` | but, like I said, it will already be installed |
| 06:27.19 | mbroeker | well i upgraded kde right now and thats my working desktop, brb |
| 06:27.22 | Kevin` | it's just not autodetected because it's isa |
| 06:27.27 | tenemag | lol aight |
| 06:27.52 | Kevin` | this device doesn't support cardbus btw, does it? |
| 06:27.57 | tenemag | kevin`, so will I need to modprobe it every time? |
| 06:28.00 | Kevin` | mine did, but I had to enable it in the bios |
| 06:28.01 | tenemag | nope, no cardbus :( |
| 06:28.05 | tenemag | well |
| 06:28.09 | tenemag | it *does* support cardbus |
| 06:28.11 | Kevin` | tenemag no, you can put the module in a list to load on startup |
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| 06:28.34 | tenemag | however, the card doesn't show up when it's in cardbus mode |
| 06:28.39 | tenemag | it's strange |
| 06:28.44 | Kevin` | tenemag /etc/modules |
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| 06:28.57 | obnautic2s | Noborusan: ? |
| 06:29.10 | Kevin` | tenemag once you get it all working, try cardbus mode again. you might be able to get it working pretty easy |
| 06:29.23 | tenemag | kevin: I set it to "cardbus" in the bios and everything "dissapears" lol |
| 06:29.27 | Kevin` | tenemag what computer is this, btw? might be the same as mine |
| 06:29.35 | Noborusan | obnautic2s, never mind |
| 06:29.36 | tenemag | Umm |
| 06:29.42 | obnautic2s | wtf.. Noborusan i'm trying to start ldap but it doesn't recognise the database type dbd |
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| 06:29.48 | obnautic2s | and because it can't start it's not succeding. |
| 06:29.52 | tenemag | Toshiba Portege 660CDT |
| 06:29.54 | Kevin` | if it's the same as mine, the module for isa pcmcia is i82365 |
| 06:30.09 | Kevin` | mine's a toshiba tecra |
| 06:30.17 | Noborusan | obnautic2s, sorry i have no clue. |
| 06:30.26 | tenemag | Hmm |
| 06:30.30 | tenemag | very similar family |
| 06:30.38 | Kevin` | tenemag might want to just try modprobe that, before you use the cd. might be lucky |
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| 06:30.46 | mbroeker | re |
| 06:30.50 | mbroeker | update succeeded. |
| 06:31.06 | tenemag | well I just loaded up the floppies lol |
| 06:31.12 | tenemag | all 5 of them 0_o |
| 06:31.12 | tenemag | lol |
| 06:31.37 | Kevin` | might as well continue then |
| 06:31.38 | Kevin` | :) |
| 06:31.48 | Kevin` | don't reinstall, of course, just let it set up networking |
| 06:32.01 | tenemag | lol i know |
| 06:32.05 | Kevin` | then press alt+f2 or 3 or wherever the console is |
| 06:32.07 | tenemag | then switch to a 2nd terminal |
| 06:32.08 | tenemag | etc |
| 06:32.09 | tenemag | yea |
| 06:32.10 | tenemag | lsmod |
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| 06:34.28 | obnautic2s | mbroeker: i ran autogen.sh |
| 06:34.37 | tenemag | i82365 is the module |
| 06:34.49 | tenemag | 3c589_cs is the net adaptor |
| 06:35.11 | tenemag | there is also a module "pcmcia" running |
| 06:35.27 | tenemag | and pcmcia_core |
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| 06:35.47 | jhujhiti | can somebody who knows something about ACLs explain this to me: http://pastebin.ca/668879 |
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| 06:36.24 | jhujhiti | it's freebsd but both linux and freebsd are allegedly posix.1e |
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| 06:36.45 | obnautic2s | I <3 freebsd |
| 06:37.42 | jetscreamer | I care |
| 06:37.55 | Bspec | do you? |
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| 06:39.27 | tenemag | Kevin: alright, modprobed i82365 and the pcmcia works now... |
| 06:39.33 | tenemag | and it appears my net adapter's lights lit up |
| 06:39.38 | tenemag | now how do i make it "automatic' |
| 06:39.39 | tenemag | lol |
| 06:39.41 | Mazingaro | I got problem with apt-proxy: md5sum mismatch during apt-get update from client |
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| 06:40.00 | electric_penguin | anyone know how to setup italc? |
| 06:40.07 | tenemag | kevin? |
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| 06:41.34 | tenemag | Alright, so lspci shows a whole bunch of stuff now |
| 06:41.44 | tenemag | and the lights on the net card light up |
| 06:41.51 | tenemag | however Still NOTHING in ifconfig |
| 06:42.01 | tenemag | :-\ any ideas? |
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| 06:42.19 | mbroeker | Mazingaro, run apt-get update again |
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| 06:42.43 | Mazingaro | mbroeker: done! Seems it fixed somehow |
| 06:43.19 | mbroeker | Mazingaro, afaik installs / copies the update process a new key and uses the old one... |
| 06:43.21 | mbroeker | another update process fixes this |
| 06:43.38 | Mazingaro | mbroeker: no, gave same error now |
| 06:43.54 | mbroeker | Mazingaro, can you paste that ? |
| 06:44.57 | Mazingaro | wait |
| 06:45.09 | tenemag | Alright, I've tried pccardctl ident and i'm showing "slot 0 no info, slot 1 no info" |
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| 06:45.18 | Fz | xD |
| 06:45.19 | tenemag | yet the lights on the card are lit up |
| 06:45.20 | Fz | no seas bolu |
| 06:45.31 | tenemag | and if you run pccardctl it shows a 5V card inserted in slot 1 |
| 06:45.40 | kingsley | What is the purpose of the Berkely DB file named "hcache.db" in a maildir directory? |
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| 06:46.07 | tim_afflatus | tenemag, so the system sees the hardware. Did you do ifup eth0 yet? |
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| 06:46.12 | Guerin | kingsley: header cache, probably used by some mua or imapd |
| 06:46.21 | Guerin | kingsley: safely deleted |
| 06:46.40 | Posterdati | mbroeker: http://pastebin.com/m59d984e |
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| 06:48.06 | mbroeker | Posterdati, well that package / that repository is broken/ out of sync |
| 06:48.07 | tenemag | yea, i've tried ifup eth0 and it says eth0 is not a valid device |
| 06:48.36 | mbroeker | Posterdati, the package mainatainer forget to md5sum it after some modifications |
| 06:48.36 | Supaplex|roaming | tenemag: 1. ifconfig -a 2. man 5 interfaces |
| 06:48.51 | Posterdati | mbroeker: is not the first time |
| 06:48.54 | tim_afflatus | tenemag, I see. |
| 06:49.25 | Supaplex|roaming | mbroeker: pay cut! ;) |
| 06:49.32 | tenemag | i'm just not sure why it would light up like this if it's not being seen in ifconif |
| 06:49.34 | tenemag | ifconfig |
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| 06:49.43 | tenemag | the module is loaded but it shows it's being used by 0 devices too |
| 06:49.44 | Supaplex|roaming | tenemag: is it in ifconfig -a ? |
| 06:49.45 | tim_afflatus | tenemag, they do |
| 06:49.48 | tenemag | nope |
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| 06:50.50 | Supaplex|roaming | tenemag: it'll show up on lspci if it's cardbus. I think there's an lspcmcia or equiv, I don't recall. (nor do I *sniff* have any *cry* more *sobs* cardbus machines) |
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| 06:51.14 | tenemag | also, how can i get the pcimcia module i82365 to load automatically? |
| 06:51.55 | Supaplex|roaming | tenemag: inventing new buses? shame on microchannel. I mean, use /etc/modules (or modconf) |
| 06:52.00 | tenemag | woah |
| 06:52.08 | tim_afflatus | tenemag, I'm no expert on laptop network cards - can you not put it in /etc/modules |
| 06:52.16 | tenemag | I just changed it over from pcmcia in the bios to cardbus/16bit and now it is *kind* of shoing up |
| 06:52.20 | tenemag | it shows the card |
| 06:52.26 | mbroeker | Supaplex|roaming, this community solves problems by writing bug reports. |
| 06:52.31 | tenemag | and says eth0 has switched to 10Base2 |
| 06:52.34 | tenemag | :-\ |
| 06:52.50 | Supaplex|roaming | mbroeker: I have plenty of my own :) |
| 06:53.57 | mbroeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.21 | tenemag | alright, now it's showing up in ifconfig |
| 06:55.33 | tenemag | now, how do I get it to automatically grab an IP using DHCP? |
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| 06:55.42 | xingu | pcmcia doesn't have the bandwidth to deal with 100base/full-duplex |
| 06:55.46 | xingu | hotplug 16bit isa. |
| 06:56.04 | tenemag | ah |
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| 06:56.36 | tenemag | xingu: how do i get it to automatically grab an IP on eth0 now? |
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| 06:56.47 | Supaplex|roaming | mbroeker: 432180 is kinda fun. :) |
| 06:56.53 | xingu | cardbus is a different kettle of fish, but *pcmcia* is a waste of power budget in this day and age |
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| 06:57.24 | tenemag | like, how do i set up dhcp |
| 06:57.33 | Supaplex|roaming | tenemag: man 5 interfaces |
| 06:57.39 | tim_afflatus | tenemag, that's an officially lame question |
| 06:57.47 | xingu | tenemag: if the system is installed, edit /etc/network/interfaces and add "auto lo eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" |
| 06:57.49 | mbroeker | Supaplex|roaming, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432180 well done |
| 06:57.54 | duke3d | hey.. I want linux to start with runlevel 3.. how do I change that? |
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| 06:58.11 | geo-rge | ok so I went and did a very dumb thing... |
| 06:58.28 | xingu | duke3d: grep initdefault /etc/inittab |
| 06:58.31 | geo-rge | I bought a new mobo, ram, cpu, hd, case |
| 06:58.43 | geo-rge | it's an amd64x2 |
| 06:58.46 | mbroeker | a buggy bugreport tool thats sounds weird |
| 06:58.52 | geo-rge | so my question is... |
| 06:58.54 | Supaplex|roaming | duke3d: 2 is the normal default. |
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| 06:59.25 | mbroeker | duke3d, the runlevel is in /etc/inittab |
| 07:00.03 | duke3d | so 3 should have no KDM or whatever |
| 07:00.05 | Supaplex|roaming | !runlevel |
| 07:00.05 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
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| 07:00.24 | tenemag | alright, now that internet is finally up, what x system would you reccomend for a very small HD |
| 07:00.26 | Supaplex|roaming | duke3d: ^^^^^^ what dpkg said. |
| 07:00.39 | geo-rge | should I go with plain intel i386 arch install media? or is amd64 sufficiently mature AND there is rescue media to reasonably decide to go with amd64 arch of etch? |
| 07:00.40 | Supaplex|roaming | !+info flwm etch |
| 07:00.42 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 07:00.44 | dpkg | flwm: (Fast Light Window Manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.02-1 (etch), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 07:00.44 | tim_afflatus | tenemag, yay! |
| 07:00.52 | geo-rge | arch arch arch |
| 07:00.58 | geo-rge | arch of etch |
| 07:01.00 | geo-rge | arch of etch |
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| 07:01.16 | geo-rge | err, was trying for a dumb song there :) |
| 07:01.25 | xingu | you nailed the dumb bit |
| 07:01.44 | geo-rge | yeah? cool :) |
| 07:01.49 | Supaplex|roaming | I rebooted geo-rge's etch ;) |
| 07:02.08 | tenemag | tim_afflatus: what x enviroment would you reccomend for a VERY small hard drive? |
| 07:02.50 | geo-rge | arch arch arch / arch of etch / arch arch arch / arch of etch (repeat) |
| 07:02.55 | tim_afflatus | tenemag, if you're talking window managers & stuff, I'd pobably recommens openbox + Rox |
| 07:03.22 | tenemag | just apt-get both of those? |
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| 07:03.29 | geo-rge | wait, there's an amd64 debian channel isn't there |
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| 07:03.47 | tim_afflatus | tenemag yes |
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| 07:04.14 | Supaplex|roaming | tenemag: I like flwm. 152kb installed. |
| 07:04.19 | tim_afflatus | tenemag, rox might be rox-filer, check first. |
| 07:04.31 | geo-rge | I can still return this whole thing too, haven't unwrapped any shrink wrap or opened anything |
| 07:04.35 | geo-rge | YET |
| 07:04.36 | Supaplex|roaming | and dillo for www surfing |
| 07:04.52 | Supaplex|roaming | geo-rge: just ship it to me. ;) |
| 07:05.05 | geo-rge | nonono... then I don't get the money back :P |
| 07:05.16 | geo-rge | besides |
| 07:05.21 | Supaplex|roaming | geo-rge: afaik, you can comingle 32+64bit for some stuffs that don't get along in the 64bit world. (like flash) |
| 07:05.24 | tenemag | geo-rge: i've used the 64 bit version and it works pretty well on my Pentium core duo |
| 07:05.24 | geo-rge | it was just over 500 bux, just buy one |
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| 07:05.42 | tenemag | yea, flash is only 32 bit :-\ |
| 07:05.42 | geo-rge | this is for a mail server |
| 07:05.44 | tenemag | forgot bout that |
| 07:05.45 | tenemag | lol |
| 07:05.49 | Supaplex|roaming | geo-rge: I'm so poor I have a hard time paying attention. ;) |
| 07:05.55 | tenemag | hahaha wait, all that power for a MAIL SERVER?!? 0_o |
| 07:05.55 | tenemag | lol |
| 07:06.15 | geo-rge | tenemag: it was the least power I could get :P |
| 07:06.17 | Supaplex|roaming | tenemag: I bet spamerassassin works great on 64b |
| 07:06.30 | geo-rge | that's EXACTLY what I was thinking |
| 07:06.47 | mbroeker | lol my little sempron gets hot with spamassassin installed |
| 07:06.53 | tenemag | Hmm, how hard would it be to get an older 16-bit cardbus Wireless card installed on this machine? lol |
| 07:06.59 | geo-rge | spamassassin is crap on the machine I have it on now |
| 07:07.20 | geo-rge | cardbus is 32b, isn't it? |
| 07:07.25 | Supaplex|roaming | !50*600 |
| 07:07.25 | dpkg | 30000 |
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| 07:07.44 | Supaplex|roaming | beat 30 bogotips |
| 07:07.45 | Supaplex|roaming | :P |
| 07:07.54 | wrodrigues | having two isps on two different router. mail server is having router1 as default gw. If link1 is down can traffic be routed automatically to router2 |
| 07:07.59 | predder | when I ssh into a couple of boxes, I get special characters in the place of things like single quotes in man pages and program output. I can still type the characters fine, any ideas? |
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| 07:08.17 | geo-rge | what a RELIEF |
| 07:08.17 | Supaplex|roaming | wrodrigues: w/ or w/o bgp? |
| 07:08.20 | tenemag | :-\ how do you fix the y2k bug roffle |
| 07:08.24 | tenemag | it's saying it's 1990 |
| 07:08.24 | wrodrigues | wo bgp |
| 07:08.25 | tenemag | lmao |
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| 07:08.36 | predder | I've tried 2 different ssh programs and tty rather than X, it's only over ssh not when logged into the box locally |
| 07:08.39 | Supaplex|roaming | wrodrigues: well that's "no fun(sm)" |
| 07:08.45 | geo-rge | so, party like it's 1991 |
| 07:08.50 | Supaplex|roaming | !fix Y2K |
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| 07:09.00 | tenemag | huh |
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| 07:09.07 | geo-rge | !amd64 |
| 07:09.07 | dpkg | i guess amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. for flash on amd64, ask me about nspluginwrapper |
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| 07:10.20 | philll | hi all |
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| 07:10.28 | tenemag | serioulsy though :-\ it keeps warning me that EVERYTHING is in the future |
| 07:10.28 | tenemag | lol |
| 07:10.46 | Eulex | set your clock correctly |
| 07:10.51 | Supaplex|roaming | !y2k |
| 07:10.52 | dpkg | i guess y2k is just some random date people like to talk about or not a big deal if we kill all the lusers first;; http://www.vekoduck.com/lammaz/files/microsoft_y2k_valmius.jpg |
| 07:10.55 | tenemag | it wont let me mao |
| 07:11.07 | tenemag | I set the date to 2007 |
| 07:11.11 | Eulex | define 'won't let me' |
| 07:11.12 | tenemag | it goes to 1990 |
| 07:11.17 | wrodrigues | <supaplex>if i use bgp will that work |
| 07:11.20 | tenemag | if i set it to 1999 |
| 07:11.22 | tenemag | it works |
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| 07:11.28 | tenemag | 2000 > 1990 |
| 07:11.33 | Eulex | tenemag, how are you setting the date? |
| 07:11.38 | enigmaa | hi, i get the following thing when i do dpg -i package |
| 07:11.42 | tenemag | date 08242007 |
| 07:11.53 | enigmaa | dpkg: status database area locked by another proccess |
| 07:11.56 | enigmaa | how do i fix this? |
| 07:12.05 | tenemag | then I run "date" |
| 07:12.06 | tenemag | i get: |
| 07:12.07 | Supaplex|roaming | !y2k =~ s/;; http.*// |
| 07:12.08 | dpkg | that doesn't contain ';; http.*', Supaplex|roaming |
| 07:12.13 | tenemag | Aug 24, 1990 |
| 07:12.33 | Supaplex|roaming | !y2k =~ s#;; http://www.vekoduck.com/lammaz/files/microsoft_y2k_valmius.jpg## |
| 07:12.33 | dpkg | OK, Supaplex|roaming |
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| 07:12.50 | wrodrigues | how do i enable bgp on the debian server ? for change the gateway automatically. |
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| 07:13.29 | Supaplex|roaming | tenemag: date --set "Fri Aug 24 07:15:08 GMT 2007" I think. try date --help 2>&1 | grep -i set |
| 07:13.53 | Supaplex|roaming | wrodrigues: your upstream has to support bgp |
| 07:14.00 | duke3d | shit.. now I miss slackware |
| 07:14.03 | wrodrigues | ok thanks |
| 07:14.08 | kladizkov | anyone using intel core2duo/946gz/gma3000 encounter a problem of not able inc/dec brightness/contract/hue/saturation in mplayer or any video player in GNU/Linux |
| 07:14.31 | Eulex | tenemag, try date -s "08/24/2007" |
| 07:14.39 | mbroeker | duke3d, what is the benefit of slackware? konservative beliefs? |
| 07:15.13 | kladizkov | slackware is too stable...they say |
| 07:15.21 | Posterdati | mbroeker: no way to use apt-proxy, same error |
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| 07:15.31 | kladizkov | but they use old version of software lol |
| 07:15.40 | mbroeker | kladizkov, i installed slackware 2 days before i installed debian |
| 07:16.08 | mbroeker | and i moved to debian, because all the things i wanted, i use, needed to be recompiled from source |
| 07:16.08 | Supaplex|roaming | kladizkov: slackware too stable. like debian hamm? ;) |
| 07:16.11 | duke3d | mbroeker: i dunno.. never used debian before.. but slackware seems more simpler.. more straightforward.. if that makes sense |
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| 07:16.41 | enigmaa | anyone able to help me? |
| 07:16.48 | kladizkov | i use debian testing |
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| 07:16.59 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 07:16.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:17.03 | geo-rge | you use debian testing rockets?? |
| 07:17.08 | kladizkov | havn't used debian stable... |
| 07:17.14 | Supaplex|roaming | enigmaa: are you running any other copies of dpkg/dselect/aptitude/apt/etc ? |
| 07:17.20 | enigmaa | no |
| 07:17.21 | kladizkov | hows debian compared to slackware? |
| 07:17.35 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell kladizkov -about why debian |
| 07:17.36 | enigmaa | i was running kpackage or something like that |
| 07:17.37 | geo-rge | kladizkov: debian has a packaging system |
| 07:17.37 | rockets | geo-rge, why? |
| 07:17.41 | enigmaa | but i did an xkill on it |
| 07:17.41 | rockets | kladizkov, night and day |
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| 07:17.46 | tim_afflatus | Enigma, that was it. |
| 07:17.47 | niru | hi |
| 07:17.52 | rockets | geo-rge, hey so does slackware! |
| 07:17.53 | enigmaa | how can i fix it? |
| 07:17.55 | niru | If I press ctrl+alt F1 |
| 07:17.56 | geo-rge | rockets: oh, I misread |
| 07:18.01 | rockets | geo-rge, its just that you have to install all the packages manually :-P |
| 07:18.01 | mbroeker | duke3d, i wanted postfix, postgres and php with some extra stuff. i was all the time on slackbuilds.org and was forced to modify this custom build scripts. not usuable, no comfort, nothing. |
| 07:18.05 | niru | I am seeing buffer image |
| 07:18.07 | tim_afflatus | Enigma, that should have sorted it |
| 07:18.13 | niru | I am unable to type in this console |
| 07:18.25 | enigmaa | no, its not working |
| 07:18.28 | niru | is this graphics card problem |
| 07:18.28 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 07:18.28 | dpkg | it has been said that printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 07:18.31 | geo-rge | rockets: it has that tarball system... ok, to slackware's credit, this tarball system was adopted by debian and extended |
| 07:18.44 | jetscreamer | niru that was fo ryou |
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| 07:18.51 | tim_afflatus | enigmaa, what's not working apart from my autocompletion? |
| 07:18.51 | Supaplex|roaming | enigmaa: make sure it's not running in top/pstree/ps etc. There's a lockfile someplace you can remove if you're sure nothing else is accessing the pkg mgmnt system. (otherwise you risk hosing it) |
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| 07:19.19 | rockets | geo-rge, slackware ftw |
| 07:19.28 | rockets | anybody know a good app for making album art? |
| 07:19.32 | rockets | i tried kover and koverart, they suck |
| 07:20.15 | duke3d | slackware is unix.. while debian is windows heheh what am I saying? |
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| 07:20.24 | tim_afflatus | rockets, GIMP |
| 07:20.27 | kladizkov | dpkg, i know whats debian, but haven't used slackware |
| 07:20.29 | tim_afflatus | ;) |
| 07:20.45 | rockets | tim_afflatus, thats really not what i mean |
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| 07:20.49 | electric_penguin | anyone know how to configure italc? |
| 07:20.50 | Supaplex|roaming | duke3d: time for a drug test. ;) |
| 07:20.58 | kladizkov | dpkg, i use debian for 3-4 years now, |
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| 07:21.08 | kladizkov | dpkg, i started with woody |
| 07:21.11 | Supaplex|roaming | !say kladizkov: Hi, I'm a bot silly. |
| 07:21.11 | dpkg | kladizkov: Hi, I'm a bot silly. |
| 07:21.22 | tim_afflatus | rockets, it's what I use. |
| 07:21.32 | niru | jetscreamer, could you be clear |
| 07:21.34 | rockets | tim_afflatus, yes but you know its not really what im asking |
| 07:21.36 | niru | I did not understand |
| 07:21.44 | mbroeker | duke3d, i read that slogan too that slack is more common to unix than any other operating system in the linux sector. they do not modify the kernel, the apps and so. thats true. but i want to use apps, not maintain an operating system |
| 07:22.01 | enigmaa | oh wait |
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| 07:22.08 | enigmaa | there's apt-get running |
| 07:22.10 | enigmaa | oh! |
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| 07:22.21 | Supaplex|roaming | niru: there's 'reset' |
| 07:22.45 | Supaplex|roaming | niru: man reset if you wish. reset (1) - terminal initialization |
| 07:22.46 | tim_afflatus | rockets, you're not designing your own then? Sorry. |
| 07:22.57 | rockets | tim_afflatus, I'm looking for something simple |
| 07:23.01 | niru | Supaplex|roaming, restet will fix the issue of buffer |
| 07:23.03 | electric_penguin | anyone had any luck getting italc running? http://italc.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 07:23.30 | Supaplex|roaming | tim_afflatus: time for http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/usb_rocket_launcher2.jpg |
| 07:23.31 | electric_penguin | getting keys in right location is hanging me up.... |
| 07:23.44 | Crypticfortune | hmm, there's no #openssl, no #ssl...anyone know where to go about ssl questions? (or can anyone just answer my question of: can you / does it make any sense to get a certificate signed by multiple other certificates?) |
| 07:24.22 | rockets | tim_afflatus, if a cd cover is 120mm by 120mm and i want to put 9 square images on it, then shouldnt i be making each image 40mm by 40mm? |
| 07:24.25 | Supaplex|roaming | Crypticfortune: one is usually plenty. (provided they're a recogonized CA) |
| 07:25.26 | mbroeker | Crypticfortune, yes. multiple signing makes sense with gpg keys. you can trust them then more, because there ( by gpg ) there is no public ca authority |
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| 07:25.43 | tim_afflatus | rockets, um, sounds about right ... ?-] |
| 07:25.45 | mbroeker | but for ssl is doesnt matter |
| 07:25.53 | CyberMadz | does anyone know what programming language is this? http://pastebin.com/m475ce91e |
| 07:26.04 | rockets | tim_afflatus, yeah theyre not fitting, its so weird |
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| 07:26.42 | Crypticfortune | Supaplex|roaming: right, i'm thinking of getting our self-signed lab CA signed by a recognized CA, but just wondering if it causes any problems because it's already been signed by itself. |
| 07:27.06 | mbroeker | CyberMadz, is that ruby ? |
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| 07:27.31 | wam | Hi, I remember there was a easy way how to make a .deb from a autotools - using sourcecode. I forgot how. Does anyone have a link to docs or so? |
| 07:27.57 | CyberMadz | mbroeker ok, this is the clue |
| 07:28.28 | CyberMadz | mbroeker i login to my friend linux box (software) via telnet |
| 07:28.34 | Supaplex|roaming | wam: With dpkg-deb I suppose? (My notes are not handy, I don't recall much more than that) |
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| 07:28.37 | CyberMadz | mbroeker i found filename.p |
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| 07:29.02 | Shadur | CyberMadz: Smells like python. |
| 07:29.03 | jetscreamer | !dpkg-deb |
| 07:29.07 | jetscreamer | ah well |
| 07:29.20 | tim_afflatus | Supaplex|roaming, thanks for the link btw. ;) |
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| 07:29.44 | Supaplex|roaming | tim_afflatus: hehe np. |
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| 07:30.56 | mbroeker | well its from 1993. there was no ruby CyberMadz |
| 07:31.20 | Supaplex|roaming | try googlen' on some keywords. |
| 07:31.31 | mbroeker | basic, pascal or similar dead languages |
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| 07:32.02 | mbroeker | pascal has function declarations. so maybe basic |
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| 07:32.28 | Supaplex|roaming | yea, something in the basic family. |
| 07:32.32 | geo-rge | when are the #debian-amd64 folks awake? |
| 07:32.34 | Supaplex|roaming | eg, 'with' |
| 07:32.41 | xingu | CyberMadz: could be dbase/ foxbase |
| 07:32.44 | hark | OpenEdge Advanced Business Language |
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| 07:32.49 | Posterdati | apt-proxy sucks too much |
| 07:33.04 | geo-rge | babble in OABL |
| 07:33.23 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell Posterdati -about sucks |
| 07:33.24 | tim_afflatus | geo-rge, their day is twice as long as the 32-bit folks. |
| 07:33.38 | CyberMadz | i will try get another code.. and paste them here |
| 07:33.42 | CyberMadz | just a minute |
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| 07:34.22 | xingu | CyberMadz: actually it's progress db language |
| 07:34.27 | hark | nm, it's Progress 4GL |
| 07:34.43 | hark | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_4GL |
| 07:34.45 | xingu | !win me |
| 07:34.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, xingu! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
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| 07:36.00 | geo-rge | tim_afflatus: hmm, I would have thought it was 4294967296 times as long (stupid *&%$*&$% calculator...) |
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| 07:37.59 | jmesquita | Guys, please help me out |
| 07:38.17 | jmesquita | I have dist-upgrade my firewall and now I cant boot it anymore |
| 07:38.32 | jmesquita | Seems like grub has missed the new kernel boot line and now it cant find the file |
| 07:38.32 | tim_afflatus | geo-rge, I didn't get where I am today by doing proper maths. |
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| 07:38.50 | jmesquita | How would I figure out what is the kernel initrd and image to boot on the fs? |
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| 07:38.58 | mbroeker | hark, is that a living language then? |
| 07:39.40 | geo-rge | tim_afflatus: proper was the result... but I wanted the damn thing to be fast so I could get the line out right after yours |
| 07:39.45 | tim_afflatus | jmesquita, ls -l / |
| 07:40.31 | Supaplex|roaming | jmesquita: grub has completion. eg, find /<tab><tab> |
| 07:40.56 | jmesquita | Supaplex|roaming: No kidding??? |
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| 07:41.19 | jmesquita | Supaplex|roaming: Let me try that |
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| 07:41.39 | Supaplex|roaming | poor man's ls. :) |
| 07:41.48 | jmesquita | Supaplex|roaming: This means that I dont have to boot the server to browse the filesystem |
| 07:41.54 | Supaplex|roaming | kernel (hd0,0)/<tab><tab> |
| 07:42.21 | mbroeker | jmesquita, thats the benefit of grub |
| 07:42.26 | jmesquita | Supaplex|roaming: Where do I do this? |
| 07:42.36 | tim_afflatus | Supaplex|roaming, jmesquita but handy if you're stuck at the GRUB prompt |
| 07:42.55 | hark | mbroeker: looks like it is :) |
| 07:42.58 | mbroeker | jmesquita, press e during the grub splash |
| 07:43.01 | jmesquita | Supaplex|roaming: I edit the line |
| 07:43.15 | jmesquita | mbroeker: Dude, I cant believe I did not know that |
| 07:43.18 | mbroeker | jmesquita, sorry not editing. press c |
| 07:43.23 | jmesquita | mbroeker: Let me try it out |
| 07:43.25 | jmesquita | Oh, ok |
| 07:43.27 | geo-rge | Johnny Cash song... "I Edit The Line" |
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| 07:43.36 | jmesquita | mbroeker: let me try it right now |
| 07:44.34 | jmesquita | Ok, I am on the command line of grub |
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| 07:44.45 | jmesquita | How do I browse and boot on the image? |
| 07:44.48 | BeShaMo | I'm having immense problems getting a sis s17012 sound to produce any sound. It's detected allright, it seemingly plays, there is just no output |
| 07:44.55 | mbroeker | hark, i was nerved with a database language called clipper during my education. |
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| 07:45.05 | BeShaMo | has anyone experienced this problem? |
| 07:45.18 | tim_afflatus | BeShaMo, mixer settings? |
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| 07:46.44 | BeShaMo | they look fine, nothing is muted, everything is on (well, master and PCM and some others |
| 07:47.06 | tim_afflatus | BeShaMo, ok |
| 07:47.14 | CyberMadz | xingu are you there? |
| 07:47.25 | jmesquita | What distro can boot a minimum kernel for maitnace on a pen drive? |
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| 07:47.34 | geo-rge | must... message... the bot people... |
| 07:48.03 | tim_afflatus | BeShaMo, and you've looked it up on alsa-project.org? |
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| 07:49.11 | BeShaMo | tim_afflatus, no, I'll have a look there |
| 07:49.14 | kirushik | jmesquita almost any live-CD. Try SLAX, f.e. |
| 07:49.42 | jmesquita | kingsley: thanks |
| 07:49.48 | jmesquita | kirushik: thanks |
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| 07:52.39 | tim_afflatus | BeShaMo, if the main site can't help you, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Category:Troubleshooting might be of some use. |
| 07:54.37 | xlotlu | how can i remove a network interface without rmmoding? |
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| 07:57.05 | drizzd | does anyone know how to install debian ia64 from a usb stick? |
| 07:58.48 | mbroeker | drizzd, move the data to the stick boot from it and install ? |
| 07:59.22 | drizzd | 'the data'? |
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| 08:03.23 | mbroeker | drizzd, there are some howtos around: you need at least a 1 GiG Flash drive and syslinux on your harddrive |
| 08:03.53 | drizzd | The only tutorials I could find are for i386 |
| 08:04.15 | CyberMadz | does anyone know how to copy file from debian to windows shared folder? |
| 08:04.24 | mbroeker | drizzd, hm. well. for knoppix are 1 gig recommended. for the netinstaller it will be 512MB or less |
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| 08:04.42 | Eulex | drizzd, sorry, but are you sure that you want debian ia64? have you got an itanium processor? |
| 08:04.56 | drizzd | The thing is, I managed to boot using the i386 boot image, but it refuses to boot the netinstaller |
| 08:05.16 | drizzd | I have a Core 2 Duo processor |
| 08:05.28 | Eulex | that one won't boot debian ia64 whatever you do |
| 08:05.59 | Eulex | ia64 is for itanium processors. core 2 duos have an amd64-based instruction set, not ia64. |
| 08:06.02 | cydork | drizzd: that's not a ia64. |
| 08:06.02 | geo-rge | this will be my second try at a dual processor system... my first try was a pair of slot1 processors on an asus mobo... |
| 08:06.14 | cydork | drizzd: check /msg dpkg ia64 |
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| 08:06.30 | jetscreamer | i need a quad slot1 board |
| 08:06.32 | drizzd | Ok, well that may explain my problems :-) |
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| 08:06.40 | jetscreamer | non xeon |
| 08:06.41 | DawnLight | hello friends |
| 08:06.48 | drizzd | So I need debian-amd64 |
| 08:07.13 | cydork | drizzd: yep. |
| 08:07.16 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: slot1 sucks the big one... (I destroyed my mobo accidentally) |
| 08:07.17 | Eulex | drizzd, however, the amd64 instruction set is backwards-compatible with the i386 one, so debian i386 should work fine. |
| 08:07.33 | drizzd | Eulex: Yes, but I want 64-bit support. |
| 08:07.47 | jetscreamer | i have 4 of those cpu's |
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| 08:08.31 | Eulex | drizzd, sure, just a comment to the above comment that the i386 netinstaller didn't work |
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| 08:09.04 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: are those the big black-backed thingyies, like this: |---| or flat, ___ close to the mobo ? |
| 08:09.10 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: you know about the supports you have to have on the slot1 cards, right? |
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| 08:09.25 | drizzd | Yeah, the i386 netinstaller did work. The ia64 netinstaller didn't work and I assumed it was because I used the i386 hd-media boot image |
| 08:09.48 | jetscreamer | slot1 not the pga |
| 08:09.58 | jetscreamer | or whatever it was |
| 08:10.45 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: slot1 is like agp slots (which suk the big one for the same reason, but I never did destroy one of those slots) |
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| 08:11.40 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 08:11.44 | simonrvn | ah those |
| 08:12.08 | simonrvn | geo-rge: they have a couple of brackets at the ends or not? |
| 08:12.17 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 08:12.20 | simonrvn | ok |
| 08:12.34 | simonrvn | this mobo is one of those then |
| 08:12.36 | jetscreamer | stick up about 2-3" or someting |
| 08:12.49 | geo-rge | simonrvn: I forgot to put my brackets on |
| 08:12.50 | simonrvn | yeh, exactly one of those |
| 08:12.57 | jetscreamer | and it fits in that 'slot' |
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| 08:14.04 | simonrvn | there's a few i haven't seen, and never knew the names.. |
| 08:14.16 | jetscreamer | pga is the flat ones iirc |
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| 08:14.43 | jetscreamer | that wasn't socket7 that was.... i forget |
| 08:15.02 | jetscreamer | ppga? |
| 08:15.05 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 08:15.06 | CompWizrd | socket 370? |
| 08:15.11 | simonrvn | i have a lonely (meaning no mobo for it) 1 GHz CPU, flat, like the old 386 ones |
| 08:15.12 | jetscreamer | yeha |
| 08:15.32 | geo-rge | the socket 370 was the next one I got, it was a single |
| 08:15.47 | jetscreamer | i have a proc collection :/ |
| 08:16.31 | geo-rge | I went and told them " don't ever sell me a slot1 again" |
| 08:17.20 | geo-rge | when I found out agp slots and slot1 were similar, I was pissed too... |
| 08:17.41 | jetscreamer | you put your cpu in the agp slot and turned it on? |
| 08:17.50 | jetscreamer | tried to force it? |
| 08:17.53 | geo-rge | nono, look at a slot1 |
| 08:18.04 | jetscreamer | i know exactly what they look like |
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| 08:18.06 | geo-rge | not the slot, the card that plugs in |
| 08:18.14 | geo-rge | and now look at an agp card |
| 08:18.22 | geo-rge | see how they're similar arrangement on the pins |
| 08:18.29 | simonrvn | well, the agp slot os close to the other pci slots... kinda hard to mistake it... |
| 08:18.32 | jetscreamer | agp runs parallel with the pci slots, the cpu is perpendicular |
| 08:18.36 | simonrvn | s,os,is, |
| 08:18.51 | geo-rge | no, I didn't plug things into the wrong slots |
| 08:19.26 | geo-rge | I didn't know to put the bracket things on the tops of the slot holders |
| 08:19.28 | CompWizrd | my brother plugged a 387 in backwards once |
| 08:19.52 | geo-rge | and his computer spelled "ineptum"? :) |
| 08:19.52 | jetscreamer | my daughter fucked up a mb and my gig of ram putting it in wrong |
| 08:20.13 | CompWizrd | geo-rge: nah, it fried it nicely.. bout a thousand dollar chip back then |
| 08:20.22 | CompWizrd | pentium didn't exist in the 386 days either! |
| 08:20.26 | jetscreamer | now she's stuck on a p3 550 and can't play wow anymore |
| 08:20.46 | geo-rge | use it to play a country song, and you'll get your cpu, your dog, truck and wife back... |
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| 08:22.29 | geo-rge | where can I get a battery for a asus p4sgx? |
| 08:22.34 | jetscreamer | ebay |
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| 08:22.40 | CompWizrd | is it a standard cr2032? |
| 08:22.52 | geo-rge | no idea. how can I find out |
| 08:23.22 | CompWizrd | look for a coin cell type battery on the board |
| 08:23.34 | CompWizrd | on that board, it's below the memory and ide ports |
| 08:24.16 | geo-rge | is there old manuals? I seem top |
| 08:24.23 | geo-rge | have misplaced mine :) |
| 08:25.13 | jetscreamer | usually the maker has it online |
| 08:25.17 | jetscreamer | somewhere |
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| 08:25.30 | jetscreamer | asus will |
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| 08:26.16 | DawnLight | i'm confused. which one is the pci modem i have on the board? lspci: http://pastebin.ca/668935 |
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| 08:27.10 | geo-rge | see, it's weird... I'm talking to you now on that machine... but if I were to try rebooting, it will claim the bios checksum is bad or something like that... |
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| 08:27.28 | jetscreamer | yeah they do that |
| 08:27.34 | jetscreamer | doesn't hold a charge |
| 08:27.41 | geo-rge | but wait a few mins (cooler? battery has a little juice?) |
| 08:27.42 | jetscreamer | usually only when i turn mine off though |
| 08:27.48 | geo-rge | and it reboots |
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| 08:28.02 | Thumann | Anyone know a log parser for webalizer that can resolve the ip's? (dont wanna do it on the fly) |
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| 08:28.39 | geo-rge | if you can find a perl parser maybe you could alter it to do the lookups |
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| 08:29.33 | Thumann | geo-rge: yeah, but i've heard stuff about ready made apps for it.. can't find them now though naturally |
| 08:31.09 | DawnLight | why would lspci not show my pci modem? |
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| 08:32.05 | DawnLight | i'm going to try moving it to a different slot |
| 08:32.07 | wols_ | DawnLight: does it show unknown devices? |
| 08:32.12 | DawnLight | no |
| 08:32.31 | geo-rge | plugged in fully? |
| 08:32.33 | wols_ | lspci -vv |
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| 08:32.47 | wols_ | especially if it's a built in, AC97 based modem |
| 08:33.05 | geo-rge | (do't try plugging iin further with power on) |
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| 08:34.46 | DawnLight | its not built in the mobo. maybe i'm missing it? http://pastebin.ca/668942 |
| 08:34.52 | Supaplex|roaming | Thumann: there's a POE cookbook entry for that |
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| 08:37.04 | DawnLight | no, i'm not missing it. its not there. moving it a slot. |
| 08:37.12 | geo-rge | Thumann: toldja :) perl iz da bomb :) |
| 08:38.20 | simonrvn | FSVO 'da bomb' |
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| 08:39.11 | geo-rge | well I'm liking tcl increasingly... so go figure... |
| 08:39.26 | simonrvn | TCL!? |
| 08:39.30 | geo-rge | yep |
| 08:39.41 | simonrvn | you feeling ok? ;) |
| 08:39.43 | geo-rge | best thing: it. dopes. |
| 08:39.45 | geo-rge | eerrr |
| 08:39.46 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 08:39.50 | simonrvn | brb |
| 08:39.53 | geo-rge | best thing: it. does. not. crash. |
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| 08:40.35 | simonrvn | i've seen tcl apps crash ;) |
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| 08:41.14 | geo-rge | one cool thing: you can define totally new language constructs for it... example, you can define your own foreach loop that iterates over, say, db rows |
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| 08:41.30 | simonrvn | there was this old app called tkchooser, was meant to emulate the chooser in mac os classic, in linux |
| 08:42.04 | geo-rge | oh, I always wondered what that was |
| 08:42.15 | simonrvn | worked, but very crashy (no, it's just one example, but you get the point; everything crashes ;) |
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| 08:42.44 | geo-rge | and there was a tcl version that had bad mem leaks; that was fixed tho |
| 08:42.44 | simonrvn | that's neat, if / when you need that |
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| 08:42.54 | simonrvn | mm |
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| 08:43.06 | viller | I installed some fonts (copied them to /usr/share/fonts/truetype). Inkscape and OOo can use them fine but Openbox's themerc can't (Openbox uses xft strings). What's wrong? How can I find out the name Openbox recognizes? |
| 08:43.23 | simonrvn | i should take a look at my dav... see why it's not working... |
| 08:43.30 | geo-rge | but overall the thing's been rock solid and took a company to 58 mil one year |
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| 08:44.02 | simonrvn | geo-rge: yeh, true, it is solid |
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| 08:44.33 | dbldtx | I installed gnome recently, it took up 2.6 gigs so I deleted it - is this normal or would a fresh install have it taking up a bit less? |
| 08:44.53 | geo-rge | try a fresh install and see :)_ |
| 08:44.59 | simonrvn | gnome and kde are hefty in several ways... |
| 08:45.36 | dbldtx | geo-rge; thank you very much... waiting for my roomate to leave for work (tminus 02:00:00:00) so I can steal a non-usb keyboard... |
| 08:45.39 | simonrvn | if that concerns you, you might want to try out xfce |
| 08:45.51 | geo-rge | simonrvn: it took me awhile (years) to see its power |
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| 08:47.07 | simonrvn | i want to get into ruby a bit more. haven't had much opprotunity to explore it deeply enough yet |
| 08:47.12 | dbldtx | simonrvn; thank you I will... blackbox was a bit too minimal for me, thought about xfce I'll use it when I reinstall - is there a way to install xfce instead of gnome with the 4.0r1 netinstall? |
| 08:47.18 | kirushik | dbldtx it's much better when your install it from scratch - without gnome-desktop-environment meta-package |
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| 08:47.34 | kirushik | My current gnome setup is <700Mb |
| 08:47.53 | simonrvn | dbldtx: use the xfce iso and burn it =) |
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| 08:48.38 | dbldtx | kirushik; expertgui, expert, normal, normalgui - Are boot options, what must I do pre-/during install to get the install without g-d-e or meta-package? |
| 08:48.48 | dbldtx | You guys are very helpful, I have to say; thank you |
| 08:49.13 | kirushik | dbldtx you shouldn't install desktop enviroment task at all |
| 08:49.14 | anapivirtua_ | Hi world. |
| 08:49.19 | hark | before the installer boots type "install tasks=xfce-desktop" |
| 08:49.36 | kirushik | login in the terminal and use aptitude to set up only what you need |
| 08:50.09 | dbldtx | Thank you guys. I sure will do that. |
| 08:50.43 | geo-rge | dbldtx: and know there's more than one way to not do it :) |
| 08:51.08 | wols_ | dbldtx: just don't install any tasks and use aptitude properly configured (without the "suggests" thing) |
| 08:51.29 | dbldtx | geo-rge; very true. I'm somewhat seasoned with Debian these days... only reason I can't check stuff for myself; I'm terminal only until my roomate leaves for work |
| 08:51.55 | dbldtx | wols_ I'll look into that; unfamiliar with the properly configured apt |
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| 08:52.15 | geo-rge | It's not good to be terminal... hope roommate leaves soon... |
| 08:53.12 | dbldtx | You guys are allnighters. irc.debian.org shuts down to a crawl well before this. |
| 08:53.33 | geo-rge | this used to be that :) |
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| 08:53.50 | simonrvn | #debian has been on this network for years |
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| 08:54.11 | simonrvn | #d oftc is still less people |
| 08:54.16 | geo-rge | that's a big big part of why it's so big big part of why it's so |
| 08:55.06 | geo-rge | wonder how many people have figured out the nature of the founding members :P |
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| 08:56.30 | NiLon | is there any program that could "test" system stability with load or something? |
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| 08:56.48 | Supaplex|roaming | NiLon: like a burn in? |
| 08:56.58 | NiLon | kind of |
| 08:56.59 | Supaplex|roaming | !+info cpuburn |
| 08:57.00 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 08:57.03 | dpkg | cpuburn: (a collection of programs to put heavy load on CPU), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4-26 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 08:57.27 | wols_ | dbldtx: by default, aptitude (but not apt-get) installs stuff from the "suggestsed" part. which means postfix might install X to get a mail-reader and stuff like that |
| 08:57.28 | NiLon | need to test that then |
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| 08:57.39 | Supaplex|roaming | I've oopsed a kernel with this before: while sleep 0.1 ; do sync ; done |
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| 08:58.11 | Arruor | hi all |
| 08:58.16 | dbldtx | hallo! |
| 08:58.21 | Arruor | can anyone help me with installation of Etch ? |
| 08:58.40 | Arruor | The problem is that the debian installer can't recognize my DVD drive |
| 08:58.45 | geo-rge | use cortizone shots... that'll stop that etching... |
| 08:58.56 | simonrvn | geo-rge: the nature? |
| 08:58.56 | Supaplex|roaming | this is fun to: while : ; do tail /dev/urandom & done (albeit crippling) |
| 08:58.58 | smokestack | oh, that's rich |
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| 08:59.04 | hark | wols_: it does now? it thought it just used to be recommends by default. |
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| 08:59.15 | Ind[y] | Is there an "evince" plugin for Firefox? If not, how can I get Adobe Reader, and its Firefox plugin? |
| 08:59.34 | hark | from debian-multimedia |
| 08:59.35 | geo-rge | let's just say I heard some interesting things about how oftc came about :P |
| 09:00.03 | wols_ | hark: whatever it is, it installs lotsa unusable crap : |
| 09:00.05 | wols_ | :) |
| 09:00.06 | geo-rge | and not jsut that it was an antililo campaign |
| 09:00.34 | wols_ | Arruor: what mobo/chipset? |
| 09:01.04 | wols_ | if ICH9/9 based: newer kernel might help |
| 09:01.14 | intsarts | i try to install debian etch on my new box, but annoying thing is that, it says hda: lost interrupt for 6x30sec and that for every procedure, can i have an install without that annoying message (i have western digital hard drive) |
| 09:01.50 | Arruor | wols_: it's ICH7, I have other OSes installed on this hard drive |
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| 09:01.59 | smokestack | is there any advantage to upgrading to debian etch from ubuntu |
| 09:02.01 | geo-rge | intsarts: seems like your drive might be flaking |
| 09:02.05 | smokestack | any major differences |
| 09:02.33 | Arruor | I think that the problem is with DVD drive |
| 09:02.33 | kirushik | smokestack root user? |
| 09:02.33 | moshii | Ind[y]: you want to view pdfs? there are plently of free pdf viewers.. |
| 09:02.36 | intsarts | geo-rge: what do you mean with flaking_ |
| 09:02.48 | geo-rge | smokestack: the packages have a qa process? :) |
| 09:02.52 | wols_ | smokestack: that is no "upgrade": it's installing a different OS. you cannot use apt-get distupgrade from ubuntu to etch |
| 09:02.58 | hark | Ind[y]: on windows, i install the pdf download extension just to avoid that behavior ;) |
| 09:03.02 | smokestack | i'm sorry, i worded the incorrectly |
| 09:03.05 | smokestack | that* |
| 09:03.07 | Ind[y] | moshii: I have evince, but I want a Firefox plugin for a PDF viewer. |
| 09:03.10 | wols_ | also, debian might have sliglty older packages than current ubuntu |
| 09:03.14 | smokestack | i meant to say, ditch ubuntu for debian |
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| 09:03.28 | wols_ | !tell smokestack about why debian |
| 09:03.47 | geo-rge | smokestack: the packages are different probably |
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| 09:04.37 | Arruor | wols_: I see this message in syslog - Aug 24 11:45:40 kernel: ata2.00: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4) - Is this means that DVD drive is unrecognized ? |
| 09:05.13 | smokestack | kirushik, geo-rge, wols_ -- thanks |
| 09:05.16 | wols_ | more like it couldn't identify the media |
| 09:05.46 | geo-rge | smokestack: esp. from a user pov, you won't notice much |
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| 09:06.20 | wols_ | debian is "barer". does less for you automatically. depending what you want this is good or bad |
| 09:06.25 | smokestack | yeah, i didn't think i would -- mostly wondering if there's any compelling reason to get away from ubuntu |
| 09:06.52 | SpeedyG | hey, i've got a fairly old logitech dual-optical mouseman, with an extra button on the side, but how can I configure that one in X ? cant find it in the xorg.conf stuff... |
| 09:06.55 | geo-rge | why are you thinking about that? |
| 09:06.56 | Arruor | okay then, how it could identify this DVD drive ? Can I grant the driver from floopy disk ? |
| 09:07.14 | intsarts | geo-rge: what do you mean with flaking? |
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| 09:07.49 | geo-rge | if you're gettng weird interrupt crap from the drive it could mean it's going bad |
| 09:07.55 | smokestack | geo-rge: i've had problems installing ubuntu back in edgy, finally got feisty installed and still experiencing some application-level problems |
| 09:07.59 | harpal | Is there any command from which I know network address and broadcast address from ipaddress and netmask |
| 09:08.08 | smokestack | i'm a relatively new linux user, and sort of trying to explore |
| 09:08.09 | intsarts | geo-rge, the drive is like one month old |
| 09:08.14 | Kevin` | dvd drives should not need any specific driver, it's a standard device. if there are problems with it check the cabling |
| 09:09.04 | wols_ | harpal: sorta. "route" |
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| 09:09.27 | Arruor | Kevin`: it's not a problem with the drive, I use this drive under Windows, Slackware, Ubuntu or what I want, the problem is that I cannot install Debian, when I'm booting from the drive |
| 09:09.30 | geo-rge | intsarts: hmm, then my statement is unlikely |
| 09:09.31 | wols_ | smokestack: with debian you have more opportunity to learn. with ubuntu, you don't care how it works as long as it does |
| 09:09.44 | wols_ | Arruor: bad media? |
| 09:09.54 | geo-rge | anyway |
| 09:10.06 | Arruor | wols_: no, I dont think so, also I made another netinstall CD from this |
| 09:10.14 | smokestack | wols_: exactly -- that's probably my biggest driving factor |
| 09:10.24 | geo-rge | I'm out... tell those #debian-amd64 dudes to wake up tomo5rrow... |
| 09:10.33 | smokestack | thanks for the help geo-rge |
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| 09:10.49 | wols_ | Arruor: how do you know it's not a bad burn? |
| 09:10.56 | Arruor | At home I've installed Etch successfully from this CD |
| 09:11.03 | geo-rge | sure; I'd suggest getting a different computer, get someone to give you a handmedowen |
| 09:11.08 | geo-rge | put debian on that |
| 09:11.10 | Arruor | but in office I have a DVD drive, not CD drive |
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| 09:11.55 | smokestack | wols_: do you know if debian is used a great deal as a web server distro |
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| 09:12.04 | wols_ | then it can only be a kernel/chipset combo |
| 09:12.06 | smokestack | does it perform well in that capacity? |
| 09:12.09 | wols_ | !tell Arruor about kmuto |
| 09:12.11 | Rapp | is there a repo with openmotif 2.3 packages for debian? |
| 09:12.21 | wols_ | yes it does well there |
| 09:12.38 | moshii | smokestack: Debian is used a lot for "servers" |
| 09:13.02 | smokestack | cool |
| 09:13.05 | Arruor | wols_: what are you suggest me ? how can I made a custom kernel, when I don't have a installed OS :) |
| 09:13.30 | smokestack | wols_, moshii, thanks for the help! |
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| 09:13.52 | moshii | smokestack: I would suggest using stable for serious servery things though. :) |
| 09:14.13 | smokestack | moshii: what is considered stable |
| 09:14.23 | smokestack | etch? |
| 09:14.31 | moshii | smokestack: The stable distribution is currently etch. |
| 09:15.11 | smokestack | alright -- lenny scheduled for release soon? |
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| 09:15.22 | cast | hey folks |
| 09:15.35 | Arruor | wols_: Erm, I see the link, thank you |
| 09:15.37 | dbldtx | hallo cast |
| 09:15.50 | harpal | Is there any command from which I know network address and broadcast address from ipaddress and netmask? |
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| 09:16.29 | sep | harpal, ipcalc |
| 09:16.40 | sep | apt-getable |
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| 09:20.22 | harpal | sep: thanx a lot |
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| 09:22.51 | cast | so anyone have any idea how long till debian gets apparmor support? |
| 09:24.30 | wols_ | !wir |
| 09:24.30 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 09:24.51 | cast | :( |
| 09:24.55 | cast | if its even started |
| 09:25.26 | buscon | Hi, I need a tool to make backup of our desktop on our backup server |
| 09:26.05 | sep | backuppc |
| 09:26.10 | buscon | I'd use bacula, but I need to decide which directories to backup on the client |
| 09:26.13 | buscon | ah |
| 09:26.26 | buscon | sep, I look into |
| 09:26.28 | sep | dirvish , or backula, or rdiff-backup, or rsync |
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| 09:26.43 | indraveni | hi all, |
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| 09:27.14 | cast | rsync is good for mirrors but not so much for backups imho |
| 09:27.19 | indraveni | I want to add an icon in the navigation area of my panel, on which when i click will execute a shell script program for me |
| 09:27.22 | indraveni | how can i do that? |
| 09:27.46 | indraveni | help needed please |
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| 09:30.14 | shooter | who adjusted asus nx1001? |
| 09:30.28 | Rapp | hm, i've just got my spacenavigator... how do i load the plugin for blender, now? :-D |
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| 09:33.44 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 09:33.56 | shooter | excuse me I not dialect on english |
| 09:34.00 | wfq | hi |
| 09:34.03 | shooter | hi |
| 09:34.05 | Nazcafan | I am getting trouble with accents on my usb stick |
| 09:34.27 | xand | you what? |
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| 09:34.52 | Ronin | accents on a usb stick? pardon? |
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| 09:35.09 | shooter | çäåñü êòîíèáóäü ãîâîðèò ïî ðóññêè? |
| 09:35.22 | Ronin | !ru |
| 09:35.22 | dpkg | ru is, like, Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 09:35.39 | wfq | !ch |
| 09:35.39 | dpkg | from memory, ch is Switzerland, or #linux.ch and Confoederatio Helvetica |
| 09:35.45 | Nazcafan | when I put filenames with accents on it in my debian box, the accents appear as reading utf8 when your encoding is set to latin1 |
| 09:35.54 | wfq | what about kanji characters? |
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| 09:36.07 | wfq | who should I write in the channel? |
| 09:36.09 | Nazcafan | wfq: I have not tried it yet |
| 09:36.15 | Nazcafan | but I will |
| 09:36.33 | Nazcafan | wfq: I am not clear enough |
| 09:36.42 | wfq | no I mean, I need them too but Ihave no idea what locale is |
| 09:36.48 | Nazcafan | the accents appear to be "wrong" when read from another machine |
| 09:37.15 | Nazcafan | that is to say a fedora desktop and a mac os X box |
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| 09:37.40 | wfq | but what language are you trying to see out and what locale have you got configurated? |
| 09:37.45 | Nazcafan | wfq: but when I put filenames with kanjis on it on my macbook, the fedora box reads them correctly |
| 09:38.08 | Nazcafan | wfq: on my debian box, my locale is fr_FR.utf-8 |
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| 09:38.17 | Nazcafan | as well as on the fedora box |
| 09:38.27 | wfq | can on debian are no tyou able to see them/ |
| 09:38.42 | Nazcafan | wfq: sorry what did you right |
| 09:38.49 | Nazcafan | write ? |
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| 09:38.54 | wfq | sorry |
| 09:38.57 | wfq | I mean |
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| 09:39.15 | wfq | what box can you not able to see these characters? |
| 09:39.45 | Nazcafan | wfq: ok here is what I seem to have noticed |
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| 09:40.13 | Nazcafan | wfq: what is you irc-client encoding first ? |
| 09:40.25 | Nazcafan | cause otherwise, things could get confusing |
| 09:40.40 | Nazcafan | I am goint to write some accents so we need to use the same encoding |
| 09:40.53 | Nazcafan | going |
| 09:41.50 | Nazcafan | wfq: ?? |
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| 09:42.28 | wfq | ok |
| 09:42.32 | wfq | I am using xchat |
| 09:42.38 | indraveni | I want to create a debian package for my script which adds an icon in the navigation area, and clicking on the icon will execute the script |
| 09:43.01 | Nazcafan | wtf : /charset utf8 |
| 09:43.12 | Nazcafan | wfq : /charset utf8 |
| 09:43.17 | Nazcafan | (sorry) |
| 09:43.29 | Nazcafan | wfq: done ? |
| 09:43.39 | wfq | yo mean me to execute that on my client? |
| 09:43.55 | Nazcafan | wfq: yes, so we are sure that you see exactly what I am going to type |
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| 09:44.35 | wfq | well done |
| 09:44.40 | wfq | go ahead |
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| 09:46.13 | wfq | I have only english keyboard |
| 09:46.24 | wfq | nazcafan, write again |
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| 09:47.03 | Nazcafan | ok first of all, If a put a file on the stick from my debian box whose name is : "Attrapé" it is going to be read "Attrapé" either on mac os X or fedora |
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| 09:48.25 | Nazcafan | wfq: and if I put a file whose name is "Attrapé" from mac os X, it is going to be read "Attrap?" the (? meaning the utf-8 invalid character stuff) |
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| 09:49.19 | wfq | ok |
| 09:49.23 | wfq | Nazcafan |
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| 09:50.10 | Nazcafan | wfq: but Fedora will read it correctly "Attrapé" |
| 09:50.14 | wfq | if I use that words in one of my debian box with en_GB.utf8POSIX I can't see the word |
| 09:50.28 | wfq | however if I do it in my debian with iso85591 yes |
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| 09:51.17 | Nazcafan | wfq: what do you mean by "I use that words" ? where do you use them ? |
| 09:51.25 | wfq | on the consoler |
| 09:51.27 | wfq | console |
| 09:51.28 | blahdeblah | I have backports kernel 2.6.18-4 failing to build an initrd on sarge: http://rafb.net/p/lPNZEk85.html - any ideas? |
| 09:51.28 | blahdeblah | Google has very little of consequence that is up-to-date, and mostly for people who build their own kernels, which i don't. |
| 09:52.55 | wfq | Nazcafan, if I try to use a editor i can't get the word right neither |
| 09:53.36 | Nazcafan | wfq: so you open an editor and try to paste "attrapé" in the editor ? |
| 09:53.52 | wfq | yes |
| 09:54.02 | wfq | and it is not able to read it |
| 09:54.09 | Nazcafan | ooh |
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| 09:54.14 | Nazcafan | that is normal |
| 09:54.39 | wfq | why is this normal? |
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| 09:54.58 | wfq | on my othe debian box with iso instead of utf is ok |
| 09:55.38 | Nazcafan | wfq: what is your disktop environment ? |
| 09:55.51 | harpal | how to grep multiple words, I have 'address' word in line one and then I have 'network' word in line 2 |
| 09:56.05 | Nazcafan | wfq: let's make it easier, what is your editor ? |
| 09:56.13 | harpal | I want to frep address and network |
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| 09:56.18 | harpal | I want to grep address and network |
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| 09:56.43 | wfq | the one that is able to read is en_GB.iso88591 and theeditor is nano |
| 09:56.57 | Nazcafan | ok, open a graphic editor |
| 09:56.58 | wfq | the other, is the same with en_GB.utf8 |
| 09:57.37 | Nazcafan | paste the word from xchat and save the file with utf8 encoding |
| 09:57.51 | Nazcafan | then try to cat it from the utf8 terminal |
| 09:58.51 | wfq | then I have the same problem |
| 09:58.53 | wfq | argggggggg |
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| 09:59.25 | Nazcafan | wfq lunch time |
| 09:59.45 | wfq | hey |
| 09:59.49 | wfq | what is going on? |
| 09:59.57 | wfq | I need to fix it too |
| 10:00.51 | wfq | well I have done it form the iso one, as from the ut8 is a server without x |
| 10:01.09 | wfq | but I have saved as utf8 |
| 10:01.17 | wfq | so that is absolutely right |
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| 10:01.38 | c0debreaker | hello |
| 10:01.42 | c0debreaker | i need help |
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| 10:02.24 | c0debreaker | how change mac adress in windows mobile 5 (pocket pc)? |
| 10:02.39 | simonrvn | wrong channel |
| 10:02.52 | c0debreaker | why? |
| 10:03.01 | simonrvn | that's windows ... |
| 10:03.12 | c0debreaker | how chanel for windows |
| 10:03.21 | simonrvn | try #windows |
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| 10:03.24 | c0debreaker | ok |
| 10:03.26 | c0debreaker | tnx |
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| 10:08.42 | qiyong | !clamav |
| 10:08.42 | dpkg | from memory, clamav is a widely used free(GPL/FLOSS) antivirus software toolkit for Unix-like operating systems. It is mainly used with a mail exchange server as a server-side email virus scanner. apt-get install avscan; for a gtk+ gui. ClamAV can be configured to automatically update its list of virus definitions via the Internet. Both ClamAV itself and the updates are made available free of charge. http://www.clamav.net |
| 10:09.00 | qiyong | how to use clamav with postfix? |
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| 10:10.21 | waspius | hi can someone tell me what this means?http://pastebin.com/m5566eae9 |
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| 10:10.36 | jenny_ | hello |
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| 10:12.38 | o2T7 | hi, i am running ekiga on voip |
| 10:12.47 | o2T7 | everything works fine |
| 10:12.54 | cast | fantastic! |
| 10:12.57 | cast | whats ekiga. |
| 10:12.59 | o2T7 | but i hear my microphone |
| 10:13.09 | o2T7 | on my speakers |
| 10:13.10 | Spiky | hi, is there an application in debian/linux for router simulation ... like netsim on windows? |
| 10:13.23 | o2T7 | cast: ekiga is gnomemeeting now |
| 10:13.30 | cast | ahh |
| 10:14.24 | waspius | anyone? |
| 10:14.42 | o2T7 | I know it is a trivial problem, but can't figure it out |
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| 10:14.57 | dbldtx_ | Waspius, I didn't see the question. |
| 10:15.01 | o2T7 | if i disable microphone ekiga can't send sound |
| 10:15.03 | Swat2 | have i missed something? fresh install of Deb 4 via CD.. and i cant change my resolution over 1280x1024 via Control Center, yet the resolution i want is showing up in /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 10:15.05 | waspius | dbldtx_: http://pastebin.com/m5566eae9 |
| 10:15.06 | dbldtx_ | And I can't scroll up. Console on a fucked install. |
| 10:15.21 | dbldtx_ | Waspius; sorry, cannot read that... thanks though. :D |
| 10:15.31 | o2T7 | and also with master |
| 10:15.39 | waspius | :( |
| 10:15.49 | dbldtx_ | Swat2; sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 10:15.58 | dbldtx_ | You should be able to set avail res there. |
| 10:16.03 | Swat2 | dbldtx_: done that |
| 10:16.07 | Swat2 | made no dif |
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| 10:16.19 | dbldtx_ | :( Good luck finding the answer. |
| 10:16.19 | Swat2 | even restarted x, kdm and rebooted |
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| 10:17.32 | o2T7 | doy ou know how to disable microphone on master without disabling it on the system? |
| 10:17.39 | o2T7 | do you* |
| 10:17.52 | dbldtx_ | o2t7; you can do that with alsamixer |
| 10:17.58 | dbldtx_ | apt-get install alsamixergui |
| 10:18.03 | dbldtx_ | Or the like |
| 10:18.25 | o2T7 | but if i disable it it will not work for the aplication |
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| 10:22.20 | Spiky | hi, is there an application in debian/linux for router simulation ... like netsim on windows? |
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| 10:23.34 | Killavus | Hello guys. |
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| 10:24.48 | Killavus | My friend had a problem - I've recompiled its kernel (now: 2.6.22.4, recompiled 'cause paravirtualization fucks up ATI drivers...). I've installed fglrx correctly - now when he starts X Server, its screen becomes black. Any solutions? (ATI Radeon X1950 PRO) |
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| 10:25.25 | Killavus | his kernel, of course. |
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| 10:28.57 | tristian | Hi all, got a kernel source question. If I download the the linux-source-2.6.22 package and compile with the default settings, will it give me the same configuration as if I just downloaded the kernel image? |
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| 10:33.59 | simonrvn | tristian: i'm not sure, but that sounds plausible |
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| 10:34.42 | tristian | simonrvn, I thought so. Just wanted a stock kernel with paravirtops disabled really (for nvidia drivers). |
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| 10:36.52 | troubled | tristian: cp /boot/config-2.6.18-4-??? /usr/src/linux/.config && make oldconfig |
| 10:37.39 | troubled | tristian: just in case i suppose |
| 10:38.00 | troubled | simonrvn: mornin' |
| 10:38.14 | simonrvn | kwe kwe |
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| 10:41.24 | Nazcafan | !utf8 |
| 10:41.24 | dpkg | utf8 is probably how the Perl and PHP people spell UTF-8. See also <UTF-8>. |
| 10:41.33 | Nazcafan | !UTF-8 |
| 10:41.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, utf-8 is Unicode encoding and ISO 10646 characters as multibyte characters. RFC 2044. A superset of US-ASCII, can represent the full international characterset range of Unicode. See bug #214254 and http://melkor.dnp.fmph.uniba.sk/~garabik/debian-utf8/HOWTO/howto.html, or And try <lang>_<CC>.utf8 as your LANG variable. Eg: export LANG=en_US.utf8 (for a US-centric view of things). Read ... |
| 10:43.04 | troubled | simonrvn: wanna go troll #ubuntobia with me for a bit? :) |
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| 10:43.49 | slapfaceware | yah lets go trolling is fun |
| 10:43.59 | slapfaceware | trolling is essential in irc |
| 10:44.09 | Killavus | ^^ |
| 10:44.20 | troubled | well, it definetly makes up a good chunk of all messages |
| 10:44.46 | troubled | besides, my only intent, ever, is to...return favours ;) |
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| 10:49.27 | Nazcafan | well I wish I could figure what is going wrong with the encoding of usb sticks on my deb box |
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| 10:50.37 | troubled | is that a hint that you want some help? ;) |
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| 10:50.59 | sonofsam | have you ever upgraded to sid and not known why... |
| 10:51.01 | Nazcafan | troubled: well, if you have an idea, I am all ears |
| 10:51.48 | troubled | Nazcafan: well, im no expert, but im sure it would help if you maybe told us what you did, what went wrong etc, to get an idea where your at |
| 10:51.50 | Nazcafan | it seems that my deb box "over encodes" the filenames on utf-8 |
| 10:52.18 | troubled | over encodes? |
| 10:52.46 | Nazcafan | troubled: have you tried to read a utf-8 sequence when your locale is set to latin9 ? |
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| 10:52.52 | sonofsam | i'm running somthing based on etch trying to get it working ... its giving me a hard time so i'm just randomly installing packages |
| 10:53.16 | sonofsam | now im upgrading to sid and im afraid |
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| 10:53.26 | troubled | Nazcafan: don't think so. ive always been utf-8 on my machines as of late |
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| 10:54.07 | Nazcafan | troubled: well one character that has an accent will appear as two strange characters |
| 10:54.12 | troubled | Nazcafan: but if your refering to "garbled" filenames, i can understand that |
| 10:54.19 | Nazcafan | garbled ? |
| 10:54.35 | troubled | non-english perhaps a better description of what i meant |
| 10:55.28 | Nazcafan | troubled: is your irc-client charset set to utf-8 ? |
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| 10:55.43 | troubled | should be |
| 10:55.52 | Nazcafan | ok |
| 10:56.04 | Nazcafan | do you see that character "é" ? |
| 10:56.09 | Nazcafan | as one single character |
| 10:56.15 | Nazcafan | an e acute ? |
| 10:56.36 | troubled | well, i see an e with an accent above it, not sure what its called though |
| 10:56.41 | Nazcafan | ok |
| 10:57.12 | Nazcafan | well if I copy a file whose filename has an "é" from my debian box to my usb stick |
| 10:57.32 | Nazcafan | then if I open it either on macos X or a fedora box I have at work |
| 10:57.37 | Nazcafan | I will get this : |
| 10:57.54 | Nazcafan | "é" instead of "é" |
| 10:58.16 | sonofsam | weird |
| 10:58.22 | troubled | what char set is macos and fedora using? |
| 10:58.22 | Nazcafan | which is how you read utf-8 "é" when your charset is set to a latin1 |
| 10:58.38 | Nazcafan | troubled: fedora is using utf-8 |
| 10:58.55 | Nazcafan | troubled: but that is not enough |
| 10:59.02 | sonofsam | well thats the reson why |
| 10:59.11 | Nazcafan | sonofsam: why ? |
| 10:59.23 | Nazcafan | fedora is using utf-8 as debian |
| 11:00.31 | troubled | hmmmm, seems im en_CA.UTF-8 here |
| 11:00.32 | sonofsam | well either one need to have a character set changed |
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| 11:00.52 | sonofsam | they don't match |
| 11:01.06 | Nazcafan | sonofsam: why do you say they don't match ? |
| 11:01.07 | troubled | sonofsam: but if debian and fedora are both utf8, shouldnt he get the same filename on both? |
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| 11:01.30 | sonofsam | you are getting a differnt output |
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| 11:01.38 | cast | Piet: what does gpg-tor mean? |
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| 11:02.01 | wsdo_okadr | where could i read about benchmarks regardings kernel made for 486 architecture versus kernel made for 686 architecture and their performances running on a native-686 architecture.I need to know if it's worth to take the time to get 686 kernel at home.thank you for any recommendations you might have. |
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| 11:02.09 | troubled | cast: tor network (anonymous) |
| 11:02.18 | cast | troubled: but the gpg part? |
| 11:02.26 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: do your shell and terminal on the fedora box support utf-8? Are you logged in directly, on local console or X, or are you sshing from somewhere else? |
| 11:02.44 | Piet | cast: authentication is done via gpg |
| 11:02.46 | cast | wsdo_okadr: #gentoo should know |
| 11:02.49 | troubled | cast: i think you gen a key between the server iirc from the freenode faq page to secure to connection or something |
| 11:02.53 | Piet | against a gpg key |
| 11:03.06 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: yes, my shell supports utf-8 since I can read the kanji characters of a filename I put on the usb-stick from my macbook |
| 11:03.15 | Nazcafan | (on the fedora box) |
| 11:03.16 | cast | hmm, so it is a freenode thing? the using gpg |
| 11:03.22 | jelly-home | even RH9 supported UTF-8, my bet is everything's fine with fedora |
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| 11:03.44 | troubled | cast: check out the freenode web site. it has a section on using tor that explains it |
| 11:03.52 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I think that my debian box sets wrong the usb-stick encoding |
| 11:03.54 | faitz | hi, i'm searching for the command to update the time on my debian server - i have got ntp installed but can't find the command to update it |
| 11:03.55 | Piet | cast: /join #tor and read http://tinyurl.com/f8wgc for more info |
| 11:04.35 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: which filesystem is on it? can you provide a hexdump of the affected file? |
| 11:04.37 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: When I write a "é" from the macbook then I get the "wrong utf-8 character" |
| 11:05.00 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I think that the filesystem is vfat, |
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| 11:05.15 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: so, you're not directly connected to the fedora box? |
| 11:05.27 | troubled | jelly-home: what would a hex dump of the file help with? looking for utf8 chars in it or something? |
| 11:05.31 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: yes I am physically in front of it |
| 11:06.14 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I think that the problem is at my home debian box and it is specific to my box |
| 11:06.16 | jelly-home | troubled: vfat has funny mount options that convert the _data_ sometimes |
| 11:06.17 | troubled | Piet: so is all tor traffic encrypted between host and server? |
| 11:06.59 | troubled | jelly-home: how did i know vfat would be involved with this somehow |
| 11:07.20 | jelly-home | troubled: because the used just said it was vfat? |
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| 11:07.41 | troubled | i seen that btw, thus my comment |
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| 11:07.55 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: what I notice is that macbook <-compatible -> fedora whereas macbook <- not compatible -> debian and fedora <- not compatible -> debian, so a three voting system would let me guess that my debian box settings are bad |
| 11:09.06 | Nazcafan | troubled: most of the usb-sticks use vfat to be easilly used either on linux/mac/windows, I guess, plus they are shipped with vfat partitions by default |
| 11:09.35 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: that is reasonable. paste the relevant line from /proc/mounts from debian and fedora |
| 11:10.11 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: (when the stick is mounted ;-) |
| 11:10.35 | wols_ | !tell faitz about ntpdate |
| 11:10.44 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I can paste you the fedora one right now , but you'll have to wait untill 17h00 gmt to get the debian one :-) |
| 11:10.52 | Nazcafan | (when I get home) |
| 11:10.58 | jelly-home | debian is really a newcomer to the utf-8 game, and it's quite possible they get things wrong |
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| 11:12.01 | Nazcafan | I just had a hard time trying to use the usb-stick on the fedo box |
| 11:12.40 | Nazcafan | why on earth usb plugs are so ill-designed you never know whether the orientation is good ? |
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| 11:13.24 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: oh oh |
| 11:13.27 | Nazcafan | /dev/sdb1 /media/usb vfat rw,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=ascii,utf8 0 0 |
| 11:13.47 | Nazcafan | what is cp437 ? |
| 11:14.18 | jelly-home | ms-dos codepage for US |
| 11:14.35 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: so how should I read this line ? |
| 11:14.37 | troubled | which box is that from anyways? |
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| 11:14.53 | Nazcafan | troubled: as I said, the fedo box |
| 11:15.01 | jelly-home | not utf-8 compliant. Try mounting with explicit codepage=utf8,iocharset=utf8 |
| 11:15.08 | sonofsam | what is the stick formatted too? |
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| 11:15.47 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: er, sorry. disregard the codepage= option |
| 11:16.04 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: ok, sounded weird to me |
| 11:16.15 | faitz | wols_: thank you |
| 11:17.05 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I can read either japanese and european filenames on the usb-stick, so it must be a variant of unicode, underneath, I don't know which one |
| 11:17.14 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: however that ascii,utf8 is a bit funny. my vfat partition on Debian has /dev/sda8 /d vfat rw,[cut],codepage=cp437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=winnt |
| 11:17.43 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: filenames and file contents are handled differently. |
| 11:17.59 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I was speaking about filenames |
| 11:18.28 | Nazcafan | If I ls in the usb folder, I can see the japanese filenames as well as french accents |
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| 11:18.51 | sonofsam | vfat is an old format , am i wrong? |
| 11:18.57 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: here is what I *assume* is wrong |
| 11:19.10 | Nazcafan | I installed my debian box 3 years ago |
| 11:19.14 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: sorry, was your issue with a filename, or contents of a file? |
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| 11:19.35 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: filenames |
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| 11:19.53 | Nazcafan | filenames from files copied from the debian box |
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| 11:20.13 | jelly-home | ah, I misunderstood <Nazcafan> then if I open it either on macos X or a fedora box I have at work |
| 11:20.59 | Nazcafan | ok, so now did you catch me ? |
| 11:21.01 | sonofsam | try correcting the errors then format your usb stick to somthing differnt |
| 11:21.02 | jelly-home | there's a simple explanation, then. Debian did not set iocharset=utf8, but used default latin1 (or similar). |
| 11:21.17 | jelly-home | sonofsam: no need to. |
| 11:21.29 | sonofsam | meh.. |
| 11:21.55 | jelly-home | D3B14N: please do NOT /msg me |
| 11:22.19 | D3B14N | damn trying to help |
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| 11:22.46 | sonofsam | format incompatibilitys is the oldest issue in the book |
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| 11:23.12 | sonofsam | just boring me to death is all |
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| 11:23.20 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I have this issue also with usb hard drives the files with accents ( copied from windows machines) show invalid unicode characters |
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| 11:23.53 | Nazcafan | when read on the debian box |
| 11:23.58 | jenny_ | hey guys |
| 11:24.06 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: next time you use the stick on debian, make sure that vfat filesystems are mounted with iocharset=utf8 and that that matches the locale you're using |
| 11:24.15 | jenny_ | does anyone use Flock the web browser? |
| 11:24.58 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I think there is sort of a translation between the locale I am using and the usb-stick encoding |
| 11:25.09 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I'll paste you something to explain it to you |
| 11:25.51 | jenny_ | I'm getting this error trying to run Flock: ./flock-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:26.06 | jenny_ | what do I need to install? |
| 11:27.38 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/ru8VIB70.html |
| 11:27.54 | mbroeker | jenny_, the current libc is v6 and you need to install a libstc-compat lib version 5 |
| 11:27.55 | kryptoz | jenny_: lib64stdc++6 - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (64bit) |
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| 11:28.12 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I made one ls using utf-8 encoding and one with the euro (iso-8859-15) encoding |
| 11:28.21 | trebor_win | hi. i am new to debian. i just did my first install on a macbook. |
| 11:28.28 | cast | jenny_: apt-file search libstdc++.so.5 |
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| 11:29.07 | trebor_win | the macbook does not have net-access, so i have to stick with the software on the 3dvds + debs i am dl here. |
| 11:29.08 | cast | trebor_win: congrats |
| 11:29.19 | trebor_win | cast: thanks. |
| 11:29.29 | mbroeker | jenny_, apt-get install libstdc++5 |
| 11:29.31 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: wait, this paste is no good |
| 11:29.33 | Nazcafan | forget it |
| 11:29.40 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: that's just changing the way your app (ls) displays the names. |
| 11:29.53 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: not the issue |
| 11:30.20 | trebor_win | now i would like to use an external usb-hd under win & gnu/linux. but fat32 partitions are not good and ext2/3 drivers for win are not good, too. |
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| 11:30.34 | mbroeker | thats strange to me: the lib is called libstdc++5 ( implies version 5 ) but in the description there is to read: This is Version 3. Does it make sense to someone? |
| 11:30.42 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: the thing is that whatever your locale is, if the character is in your locale encoding, it is going to be displayed correctly, |
| 11:30.48 | jenny_ | thank you so much... flock is now working |
| 11:31.04 | cast | trebor_win: so you're stuck with fat then, eh? |
| 11:31.05 | trebor_win | so i thought of using ntfs. but i do not know if the dvds include drivers to read&write ntfs for gnu/linux. |
| 11:31.09 | sonofsam | trebor_win: fat32 works with linux |
| 11:31.12 | jenny_ | apt-get install libstdc++5 was it |
| 11:31.18 | defrysk | mbroeker, apt-cache policy libstdc++5 |
| 11:31.28 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: the problem is you have mismatched locale and mount options on the debian box, so the filenames written there get munged, and there's no way of helping it now (apart from renaming) |
| 11:31.33 | trebor_win | sonofsam, cast: fat32 is not good, because i need files> 4gb. |
| 11:31.44 | mbroeker | jenny_, can you please make a screenshot of this flock thing? i wanna see a socialized browser right now :) |
| 11:32.05 | cast | trebor_win: ahh, you say the ext2/3 drivers for win are not good? [ntfs would really be my last resort] |
| 11:32.15 | trebor_win | so my question is, if debian 4.0 dvds (3) include a driver for gnu/linux to write ntfs? |
| 11:32.32 | trebor_win | cast: i tried them and they do not work properly. |
| 11:32.42 | sonofsam | trebor_win: no, get an internet connection |
| 11:32.48 | jenny_ | you can download the browser at flock.com |
| 11:32.52 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I use Hal and gnome mount, how can I be sure that from now on, the mount options will be properly set ? |
| 11:33.06 | defrysk | flock is a browser with some extensions |
| 11:33.11 | defrysk | like firefox |
| 11:33.14 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: no idea, sorry |
| 11:33.22 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: :'( :'( :'( |
| 11:33.27 | jenny_ | flock is pretty |
| 11:33.29 | jenny_ | :) |
| 11:33.36 | trebor_win | sonofsam: i went to a new house, and the internet-connection will take another 2 weeks. |
| 11:33.39 | defrysk | useless to me ;p |
| 11:33.50 | cast | i second defrysk. |
| 11:34.00 | mbroeker | jenny_, well i have seen the demonstration site of flock. but there is no 1024x768 screenshot of it |
| 11:34.01 | trebor_win | sonofsam: but i can download debs from here, if i need them. |
| 11:34.03 | sonofsam | trebor_win: well borrow your neibours wifi then |
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| 11:34.13 | defrysk | must be a girly thing "hides' |
| 11:34.46 | trebor_win | sonofsam: i did not manage to get the atheros-card to work :/ |
| 11:35.01 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: if you want to fix a filename right now though, you can pipe it thru iconv -f utf8 -t latin1 |
| 11:35.03 | sonofsam | trebor_win: you need the internet for that to work |
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| 11:35.11 | wols_ | !tell trebor_win about madwifi |
| 11:35.11 | cast | trebor_win: ntfs-3g is avail from backports.org |
| 11:35.41 | trebor_win | cast: thanks, i will read it (now). |
| 11:35.53 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: eg. file=/media/usb/Richard*; mv "$file" $(echo "$file"|iconv -f utf8 -t latin1) |
| 11:36.21 | wols_ | cast: it's available from debian proper too |
| 11:36.33 | jelly-home | wols_: the version in etch is old |
| 11:36.49 | wols_ | probably. but: worked for me when I needed it |
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| 11:38.01 | cast | is apt-zip painless to use? |
| 11:38.36 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: that is what I dit when I switched my box to utf-8 |
| 11:39.12 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: no... you did the opposite, probably |
| 11:39.15 | Nazcafan | but I wish to just have the correct settings each time I plug a usb device so I can read the filenames |
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| 11:39.36 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: err, yes, maybe, I don't remember the options, that was 6 months ago |
| 11:39.41 | jelly-home | you'll need to fix the way your fs gets mounted |
| 11:39.45 | trebor_win | cast: how can i access the debs (download?) from here in order to install them at home? |
| 11:40.14 | bigmatt | on amd64 bit debian is there a package that has libcom_err.so.2 as a 32 bit library |
| 11:40.16 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: yeah but I don't know whether it is hal, gnome-vfqs, gnome-mount who handles it and how ... |
| 11:40.34 | trebor_win | wols_: did you say that the driver for ntfs did work for you? |
| 11:41.42 | jelly-home | wols_: [old worked] yes. there's also the small problem of new ntfs-3g requiring newer fuse userspace and kernel module to work |
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| 11:43.08 | sonofsam | random update will fix everything |
| 11:43.48 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I guess these problems just don't happen with recent installs but mine is like 3 years old |
| 11:44.25 | sonofsam | yeah re-installing a system is annoying |
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| 11:44.52 | sonofsam | i'm messing up this fresh install good |
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| 11:45.22 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: do you have default system locale? |
| 11:45.32 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: yes |
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| 11:45.44 | okta | oh hello. i would like to compile the missing gd support into the php5 debian etch source package (php 5.2.0) |
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| 11:45.46 | Nazcafan | jelly: I think it is set to fr_FR.UTF-8 also |
| 11:45.51 | Nazcafan | but I am not sure |
| 11:46.03 | Nazcafan | shouldn't it ? |
| 11:46.09 | Nazcafan | could it be the problem ? |
| 11:46.30 | jelly-home | Nazcafan: hmph. oh well, even if you upgraded, it's still a bug if all your locale settings are UTF-8 and still your vfat gets mounted with iocharset=latin1 |
| 11:46.43 | okta | my question: can i compile it (as module) against an instlled version of apache 2 (alos the etch package) |
| 11:46.45 | okta | ? |
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| 11:46.49 | giupy | hi all |
| 11:46.50 | giupy | do i need TCP/IP networking in kernel for a home pc connected to a modem/router via eth ? |
| 11:47.04 | jelly-home | okta: "missing gd support"? |
| 11:47.11 | okta | yup |
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| 11:47.45 | jelly-home | okta: stupid question: is php5-gd installed? |
| 11:47.52 | okta | yes :) guess so... |
| 11:48.05 | jelly-home | okta: what are you missing? |
| 11:48.12 | okta | imagerotate funtion |
| 11:48.12 | Nazcafan | jelly-home: I will check whether you are right about the iocharset, but with a iocharset latin1, I should not be able to put japanese_filenames from the debian box to the usb stick, should I ? |
| 11:48.16 | okta | ive googled on that |
| 11:48.26 | okta | ive found a bug filed concerning this issue |
| 11:48.35 | jelly-home | okta: ah, the difference between upstream and php-provided GD |
| 11:48.52 | okta | the maintainer wrote its to much a security risk to supply all these mosules compiled in or so |
| 11:49.00 | okta | yes |
| 11:49.07 | okta | mosules = modules |
| 11:49.35 | jelly-home | okta: my comments on that "resolution" of the bug cannot be stated in public :-) |
| 11:50.02 | okta | was it you :) ? |
| 11:50.18 | jelly-home | okta: I guess you could install the php-dev package (dunno the correct name) and build the module separately |
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| 11:50.40 | jelly-home | okta: sorry, not the module, just that php extension |
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| 11:51.02 | faber4 | hi everbody |
| 11:51.12 | faber4 | how can i re-generate locales? |
| 11:51.14 | jelly-home | okta: no need to rebuild the whole of php5. |
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| 11:52.11 | okta | oh ok.. |
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| 11:53.30 | okta | this is confusing. beginners question - where do i start? would i recompile php5-gd? |
| 11:53.38 | faber4 | how can i configure locales in debian? |
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| 11:54.18 | jelly-home | okta: to rebuild a package from debian sources, see /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 11:55.44 | jelly-home | okta: instead of step 1), just add a deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list just like the deb line for your mirror. |
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| 11:56.26 | okta | ok. but would php5-gd be the module i'ld have to rebuild? |
| 11:56.27 | sonofsam | pfft cya guys, in hell |
| 11:56.48 | jelly-home | okta: yes. however all of php5-* is built from the same source |
| 11:57.40 | BudgetDedicated | Is there a quicker way to get a complete list of all files in a ext filesystem? find and ls scan the whole contents, but should it not be possible to just read a table that is already on the filesystem internaly somehow> Or is that not the way things work |
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| 11:57.55 | enouf | !tell faber4 about locales |
| 11:58.04 | F1r3B1rd | e ae turma... wassup... |
| 11:58.20 | jelly-home | BudgetDedicated: there is no single place with all the file names. |
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| 11:58.35 | wsdo_okadr | why/when should I use linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 versus linux-image-2.6.22-1-486? |
| 11:58.45 | niru | I have a Realtek RTL8169/8110 nic card |
| 11:58.53 | niru | but I am unable to use internet |
| 11:58.56 | niru | what i need to do |
| 11:59.51 | okta | ok. i assume i need to add deb-src for sid true? currently its only for main |
| 11:59.56 | enouf | BudgetDedicated: locate and dlocate, along with updatedb do a decent job ;-) (no , not all files), use dumpe2fs -h /dev/hda1 for ex, to see general FS info |
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| 12:00.17 | BudgetDedicated | jelly-home: so find would be the quickest way of getting an index of the filesystem |
| 12:00.22 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: if you have a really old, or a weird embedded cpu that doesn't have all the -686 feature, you'd use -486 |
| 12:00.25 | enouf | wsdo_okadr: when you have a 4/586 ;-) |
| 12:00.31 | jelly-home | BudgetDedicated: find? :-) |
| 12:00.48 | jelly-home | BudgetDedicated: er. yes. |
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| 12:01.55 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: if you have an intel or amd cpu made this century, use 686 |
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| 12:02.53 | jelly-home | okta: copy your deb http:// ... line and change deb to deb-src. |
| 12:03.14 | jelly-home | okta: same for deb http://security.debian.org ... |
| 12:03.16 | niru | any body could answer |
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| 12:04.04 | okta | apt-get build-dep php5-gd gives me something like "unsatisfied dependencies" (translated from german) |
| 12:04.29 | jelly-home | okta: did you mix different debian releases? |
| 12:05.20 | jelly-home | okta: pastebin apt-cache policy php5, and also your sources.list |
| 12:05.42 | wookienz | hi, need some help. i have a deb box which i just installed an extra 2 nics in, so three nics in total. i have effectively a organe, red and green network. i have just installed pppoe and have had it connecting at times... likewise i have just set up squid. no when i surf from my other machines on the network i get a squid error page saying it was an invalid request...oh and i installed shorewall with somerules to allow green traffic |
| 12:05.43 | wookienz | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.10 | okta | yes. i messed up my sources list heavily killing apt and aptitude in a nice clean move. i recovered from hand, reset my sources.list and now - from time to time bump into some probs |
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| 12:07.52 | base3 | okta: back to ubuntu for you |
| 12:08.01 | okta | http://pastebin.com/d3ad9a1dd |
| 12:08.58 | jelly-home | okta: you don't have php5 installed at all? :-| |
| 12:09.01 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: i'm interested in the performance.as in...some benchmarks |
| 12:09.09 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: i have a celeron 1.6mhz |
| 12:09.11 | okta | strange.. its working |
| 12:09.16 | okta | .. i mean php5 |
| 12:09.32 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: haha, my commodore 128 is faster than that |
| 12:09.51 | wookienz | does iptables -F (flush) give a default policy or deny or accept? as i no longer can ssh in! |
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| 12:10.08 | okta | ok. http://pastebin.com/d464a7766 |
| 12:10.22 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: I bet my dog can run faster than your computer processes. |
| 12:10.47 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: processes? There can be only one! |
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| 12:11.11 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: yea babey , monolithic style :) |
| 12:11.22 | wsdo_okadr | baby :D |
| 12:11.27 | wsdo_okadr | woooohaaaaaaa !! :) |
| 12:11.36 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: don't know of any ready made benchmarks, but am looking forward to your pretty graphs. |
| 12:11.59 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: well i'll try latest 686 kernel when i get home |
| 12:12.05 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: i'll let you know :D |
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| 12:13.18 | niru | I see r8169.ko module is available but how to enable it |
| 12:13.29 | niru | I am not getting inetrnet connectivity |
| 12:15.31 | jelly-home | okta: you still get the error with apt-get build-dep php5? can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 12:16.08 | niru | jelly-home, any idea |
| 12:16.23 | okta | yes. |
| 12:16.38 | jelly-home | niru: nope |
| 12:16.42 | jelly-home | !any idea |
| 12:16.43 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 12:16.52 | xand | niru: modprobe? |
| 12:16.57 | okta | http://pastebin.com/d7770348d |
| 12:17.24 | jelly-home | okta: do a deb-src for security.d.o line too |
| 12:18.00 | niru | xand, it does not show any output |
| 12:18.05 | niru | so its available |
| 12:18.13 | okta | did so |
| 12:18.15 | niru | but its not detecting.How to make it to detect |
| 12:18.29 | okta | (just copied that sec-line and added -src to deb) |
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| 12:18.38 | jelly-home | okta: yah. no cigar? |
| 12:18.40 | okta | and did an apt-get update |
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| 12:18.55 | wookienz | where can i set my default route so it is the ppp connection and not an internal nic/ |
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| 12:19.14 | wookienz | currently i am having to del a gw of an internal nic and add in the ip address of the ppp adapter doing pppoe |
| 12:20.44 | xand | niru: what doesn't show any output, and how do you know it's "not detecting"? if modprobe shows no output, that means it worked |
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| 12:21.26 | jelly-home | wookienz: you can comment the gateway line for eth? in /etc/network/interfaces, so it won't set up the deafult route any more |
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| 12:21.53 | giupy | is there a way to install nvidia drivers in a static kernel ? |
| 12:22.17 | cast | what does static mean? |
| 12:22.20 | niru | xand, but I see my net is not working |
| 12:22.33 | xand | niru: did you configure it? |
| 12:22.35 | xand | !interfaces |
| 12:22.35 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 12:22.48 | giupy | cast: i don't have support for modules |
| 12:22.55 | xand | niru: if "ifconfig -a" shows your card, then it's working... you need to edit interfaces as above |
| 12:23.05 | cast | giupy: oh, not that i know about |
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| 12:23.40 | wookienz | jelly-home, if the gateway is a ppp adapter, ie it is dhcp asigned from the isp how do i tell it to use a specific eth vs an ip address? |
| 12:23.47 | cast | giupy: out of curiousity, this wouldn't be a stock kernel, why have you disabled modules? for security reasons? |
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| 12:24.21 | okta | http://pastebin.com/m6e7ef02f |
| 12:24.27 | giupy | cast: no, this is the first time i compile in that method |
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| 12:24.42 | wols_ | wookienz: if it's assigned via DHCP you don't |
| 12:24.57 | wols_ | wookienz: but anything network related like that is done via /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:25.02 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.05 | drizzd | Isn't 6 GB swap for a system with 2 GB RAM overdoing it a little? |
| 12:25.12 | cast | drizzd: definitely |
| 12:25.18 | wols_ | drizzd: more than a little |
| 12:25.24 | Tinozaure | Hello |
| 12:25.24 | drizzd | so much for defaults... |
| 12:25.46 | wols_ | drizzd: 1GB should be fine |
| 12:25.59 | Tinozaure | could someone explain me what is the meaning of the size indicated in front of dir names when I do a ls -Al ? |
| 12:26.05 | wols_ | anyone who needs more than 1GB swap should've bought more memory |
| 12:26.15 | Tinozaure | I emptied a dir but the size remains |
| 12:26.27 | wols_ | it's the size the dir itself needs on disk |
| 12:26.43 | jelly-home | wols_: $DB wants 1.5 times RAM for swap if >=2GB |
| 12:26.58 | wols_ | jelly-home: $DB? |
| 12:27.04 | jelly-home | wols_: Oracle. |
| 12:27.43 | cast | if you ever went that far into swap wouldn't you be crying at all the disk thrashing? |
| 12:27.45 | wols_ | jelly-home: doesn't really make sense imho. just imagine the time needed for swapping all this |
| 12:28.18 | drizzd | wols_: do you think 100 MB for /tmp is enough? |
| 12:28.45 | jelly-home | wols_: even my .5GB machine can use 1GB swap easily if I keep a lot of apps open (but not in active use) |
| 12:29.03 | cast | drizzd: use lvm if you're not sure :) |
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| 12:29.20 | Tinozaure | wols_ : even if the dir is empty the size remains |
| 12:29.26 | Tinozaure | is there something to do ? |
| 12:29.46 | Tinozaure | it was the Maildir/new of my postmaster account |
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| 12:30.13 | jelly-home | Tinozaure: Directories can't be shrunk on ext2/3. the only thing you can do is to remove and recreate the directory |
| 12:30.18 | kirushik | Have someone used simple-cdd? |
| 12:30.21 | giupy | has sid some problem with kde upgrading ? |
| 12:30.24 | Tinozaure | I emptied it, restarted the mail services but the dir size remains huge and a ls take more than 10 seconds to complete |
| 12:30.31 | giupy | now i mean |
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| 12:30.34 | Tinozaure | ok will do that |
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| 12:30.38 | Tinozaure | Thank you |
| 12:30.50 | kirushik | I am experiencing some troubles during the build |
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| 12:32.12 | kirushik | reprepro is stuck on libz.so.1, cannot find its version information |
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| 12:33.01 | kirushik | and everything stops - lock for db is set, no process could address ti the db, so no packages can be dounloaded |
| 12:33.09 | wookienz | ok slowly narrowing down my problem.. i have a nix box as gateway, squid, dns, firewall. has all worked swimingly when it was doing only dns and dhcp. presently it is giving out the dns server addres to my internal netwokr as 127.0.0.1...i cant ifnd it in name.conf to see why it would be doing that. |
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| 12:33.25 | wesstiin | good morning |
| 12:33.49 | Hoxzer | :( oh noes dont say "good morning" in international channel |
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| 12:34.29 | RichiH | how much overhead does a swap partition have and/or how do i check how much space i usable on a swap partition? i want to make _sure_ my partition is large enough for suspend-to-ram |
| 12:35.13 | moshii | RichiH: cat /proc/mem |
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| 12:35.18 | jelly-home | RichiH: free; cat /proc/swaps |
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| 12:36.03 | RichiH | great, my setup lacks 40 bytes |
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| 12:36.05 | RichiH | narf |
| 12:36.45 | jelly-home | RichiH: also to consider: TuxOnIce is much smarter in figuring out and using swap space than the swsusp implementation (what's in the kernel) |
| 12:37.05 | jelly-home | RichiH: 40 bytes? so kill a terminal. |
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| 12:38.09 | wookienz | if i add a new hdd into a nix machine what command do i need to run to pick it up? will the os find it automatically? |
| 12:38.50 | cast | itll find it automagically on reboot |
| 12:38.57 | RichiH | jelly-home: i mean the swap is 40 bytes smaller than the ram |
| 12:39.11 | RichiH | jelly: i.e. if the ram is really full, it will not work |
| 12:39.28 | giupy | do i need initrd image if i want a kernel with modules ? |
| 12:39.47 | jelly-home | RichiH: like I said, kill a process. |
| 12:40.01 | cast | giupy: nope. |
| 12:40.03 | dimir | giupy: you need it in order to load specific modules during boot. |
| 12:40.20 | cast | giupy: personally i'd go with debians stock setup...which uses an initrd |
| 12:40.25 | giupy | dimir: what does it mean specific? i onlt need nvidia glx |
| 12:40.25 | RichiH | jelly-home: this my girlfriend's laptop. either it works or it does not. explaining what to do if foo is not that much of an option |
| 12:40.34 | RichiH | i'll just increase the size |
| 12:40.55 | jelly-home | RichiH: ah, if you want it to Just Work, I recommend tuxonice instead |
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| 12:41.21 | dimir | giupy: you don't need that during boot. Specific means for example a SCSI device module which is needed so that your boot loader recognizes it. |
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| 12:41.39 | giupy | dimir: ok thanks really much |
| 12:41.41 | fastputty | anyone use cacti here? |
| 12:41.57 | wesstiin | what printer port a jetdirect uses mostly for an okidata dot matrix printer and hp laserjet? 515 or 9100? |
| 12:42.17 | SerajewelKS | what should i do if i sent a duplicate report to the BTS (duplicate of mine.. icedove reported the message failed to send so i tried again.. apparently it lied) |
| 12:42.23 | SerajewelKS | merge them? close one? |
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| 12:47.17 | jenny_ | yay! i just installed vmware player 2.0 |
| 12:47.32 | wookienz | is there a command to cat the forwarders a dns server is using |
| 12:47.33 | jenny_ | but now i cannot find where it is |
| 12:47.55 | SerajewelKS | jenny_: either "find / -iname vmware" or #vmware |
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| 12:49.12 | jenny_ | so then i installe vmware server |
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| 12:49.31 | jenny_ | i can find vmware server and run it, but not vmware player |
| 12:51.32 | SerajewelKS | jenny_: ask #vmware |
| 12:51.45 | jenny_ | ok |
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| 12:52.17 | wols_ | wookienz: dig in dnsutils |
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| 12:52.40 | YouTuber | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fscqJP2U0kg |
| 12:52.47 | abrotman | go away |
| 12:52.50 | wols_ | jenny_: dpkg -L <package name> | grep bin |
| 12:53.12 | abrotman | dpkg -S bin/dig |
| 12:53.12 | dpkg | There is no record of a bin/dig package |
| 12:53.15 | simonrvn | YouTuber: spammer go away |
| 12:53.16 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 12:53.16 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
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| 12:57.14 | stoned | mornin |
| 12:57.53 | stoned | hey man |
| 12:57.55 | stoned | thats not very nice |
| 12:58.09 | stoned | that could cause an accident and stuff |
| 12:58.15 | stoned | I could fall and break my neck and die |
| 12:58.28 | stoned | do you really want that on your concience? |
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| 12:59.53 | MTecknology | When I'm installing Debian is it possible to tell it that I want python, php, mysql, and apache? |
| 13:00.04 | abrotman | in the installer? |
| 13:00.09 | abrotman | or afterwards? |
| 13:00.17 | MTecknology | installer |
| 13:00.22 | stoned | MTecknology: kinda.. tasksel does mysql and I think apache as well, but not sure about php or python |
| 13:00.29 | stoned | just install it after you get done installing debian |
| 13:00.30 | simonrvn | do that afterwards... |
| 13:00.32 | abrotman | you could try using tasksel .. but i wouldn't |
| 13:00.43 | cast | taskel has a manual pkg selection bit...dunno whatthat does. |
| 13:00.50 | stoned | cast: it skips it |
| 13:00.56 | MTecknology | ok, how do I do it after? - is there any howto for it? |
| 13:00.57 | stoned | it means manual meaning YOu do it |
| 13:00.58 | stoned | :) |
| 13:01.06 | stoned | later after install is done |
| 13:01.12 | simonrvn | use aptitude, that comes up after you quit tesksel |
| 13:01.18 | simonrvn | task* |
| 13:01.21 | cast | ahh. |
| 13:01.42 | okta | when apt-get build-dep whines about missing dependencies - is there a way to show what he is lacking? |
| 13:01.50 | stoned | MTecknology: aptitude install apache php5 mysql-server phython something |
| 13:01.52 | stoned | whatever you want |
| 13:02.07 | simonrvn | okta: uh, it already does. read the messages |
| 13:02.11 | MTecknology | aight, it'll just configure them to all talk to each other? |
| 13:02.32 | simonrvn | what? |
| 13:03.14 | unlink | debootstrap --arch arm is not downloading any packages |
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| 13:03.46 | MTecknology | In Windows if I install apache, mysql, python, and php i need to tell each program that the other one exists |
| 13:03.51 | okta | simonrvn: i get only some vague "Build Dependenvies for XXX could not be filled" (translated from german) |
| 13:03.54 | MTecknology | will aptitude do that for me? |
| 13:04.07 | cast | MTecknology: see we have real package management. no more fucking around installing software :) |
| 13:04.11 | abrotman | talk to each other how? |
| 13:04.38 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: you have to install the apache php module and enable it to use apache, and you also need to install the php mysql module |
| 13:04.53 | SerajewelKS | well to use php with apache |
| 13:05.09 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: most of it can be done with aptitude |
| 13:05.33 | MTecknology | SerajewelKS, is there any way I could have you make an aptitude list for me? :P |
| 13:05.40 | MTecknology | in my lazy state this morning |
| 13:05.47 | wookienz | why is my dns server giving out the dns server address as 127.0.0.1? |
| 13:05.58 | simonrvn | okta: ok, so what's vague about that? |
| 13:06.08 | petemc | wookienz: badly configured? |
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| 13:06.37 | simonrvn | wookienz: because it's been configured that way? |
| 13:06.43 | okta | simonrvn: never mind |
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| 13:06.56 | simonrvn | aptitude install grey-matter |
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| 13:07.00 | wookienz | yes one could summize that...it has been workig fine for weeks, today ihave been trying to add in shorewall, squid and snort and now it is giving the local adpater out... where would i find the entry? i have looked in all the obvious places for me |
| 13:07.15 | stoned | it would be cool if you could actually reconfigure people without therapy and psychotherapy |
| 13:07.17 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server-5.0 php5-mysql && a2enmod php5 |
| 13:07.19 | petemc | wookienz: bind9 ? |
| 13:07.20 | MTecknology | I need coffee already!! |
| 13:07.29 | MTecknology | SerajewelKS, thanks very much |
| 13:07.29 | stoned | tea is much more better |
| 13:07.32 | stoned | :D |
| 13:07.36 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: you're on your own with python, i haven't used it (much) |
| 13:07.40 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: np |
| 13:07.48 | MTecknology | SerajewelKS, I can't imagine it'll be too tough |
| 13:07.55 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you don't need the a2enmod .. should do it for you |
| 13:07.58 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: me either |
| 13:07.59 | stoned | I have a book on Python by A! Press |
| 13:08.02 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it does now? |
| 13:08.07 | abrotman | has for me |
| 13:08.11 | stoned | its not a very good book, I still don't know python. |
| 13:08.23 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it didn't used to, i remember having to run it manually |
| 13:08.40 | MTecknology | no hurt in rerunning it, right? |
| 13:08.51 | simonrvn | MTecknology: nope |
| 13:09.05 | MTecknology | sounds safer then :P |
| 13:09.11 | SerajewelKS | nod |
| 13:09.18 | SerajewelKS | if it's already enabled it'll tell you and quit |
| 13:09.36 | wookienz | petemc, believe is there a ver switch? |
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| 13:09.46 | MTecknology | wait - i don't need python - i need perl |
| 13:09.58 | cast | and perl or mod-perl? |
| 13:10.04 | SerajewelKS | perl should already be installed |
| 13:10.18 | petemc | wookienz: which one did you install? |
| 13:10.19 | MTecknology | so i'll just need apache-mod-perl ? |
| 13:10.26 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: no |
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| 13:10.43 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: you only need mod_perl to optimize performance of perl scripts. it can be a PITA to get set up. |
| 13:10.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: lies! |
| 13:11.01 | SerajewelKS | MTecknology: perl scripts will run without it |
| 13:11.05 | MTecknology | ok |
| 13:11.09 | MTecknology | i won't bother then |
| 13:11.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: which part :) |
| 13:11.23 | petemc | wookienz: can you clarify, do you clients think they should use 127.0.0.1 as the nameserver, or does the dns name for your nameserver resolve to 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 13:11.35 | wookienz | petemc, was ages ago...i am running 8.4.7 of named, same thing? |
| 13:11.48 | petemc | see above |
| 13:12.31 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: what about bob? |
| 13:13.10 | montoya | kdepimlibs 3.92 into experimental repos ;) |
| 13:14.00 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the real bob or the metasyntactic bob? |
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| 13:14.10 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: the movie |
| 13:15.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i haven't seen it |
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| 13:15.25 | wookienz1 | petemc, sorry abotu that...stealing someone elses wireless while i work this problem. |
| 13:16.39 | MTecknology | Did I miss a 'no work' today memo or something? |
| 13:17.14 | cast | wtf is whiptail doing with 100% of my cpu |
| 13:18.04 | abrotman | cast: using it |
| 13:18.27 | cast | as root noless. i have defeated the whiptail with a cunningly typed pkill |
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| 13:19.38 | abrotman | what harm could there be ... |
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| 13:20.37 | Ranpha1 | Hi , using testing here and all of a sudden i can't extrac zip or rar anymore, get a message of unkown compression by both. is there something broken in testing? |
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| 13:20.59 | cast | well, my computer [perhaps the mobo power circuitry] makes a quiet shreking noise at high cpu load. depending on the kind of activity it might sound like crickets, or something else. its mildly useful and annoying at the same time to have an audio feedback of cpu use |
| 13:20.59 | petemc | Ranpha1: using unrar and unzip ? |
| 13:21.08 | SerajewelKS | Ranpha1: using what program to extract? |
| 13:21.10 | Ranpha1 | petemc yep |
| 13:21.15 | petemc | tried reinstalling? |
| 13:21.17 | petemc | them |
| 13:21.18 | Ranpha1 | the default that comes with gnome |
| 13:21.25 | petemc | oh, fileroller? |
| 13:21.26 | abrotman | file-roller |
| 13:21.28 | SerajewelKS | Ranpha1: aptitude install unzip unrar |
| 13:21.37 | petemc | Ranpha1: you really need to be more specific |
| 13:21.41 | fastputty | anyone here use cacti. i need help for importing XML |
| 13:22.01 | SerajewelKS | Ranpha1: or aptitude install unzip unrar-free |
| 13:22.18 | Ranpha1 | well ....it stoped working ....can't tell you anymore. It's a default installtion it worked and all of sudden it didn't |
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| 13:22.30 | Ranpha1 | i already got the packages |
| 13:22.34 | wookienz1 | if i had two interfaces on my debbox, one internal and one with a ppp0 connection to th ISP. with no firewall rules should the internal interface de able to transverse the nix box and get internet connection? |
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| 13:23.04 | petemc | wookienz1: with forwarding turned on, yes |
| 13:23.48 | SerajewelKS | Ranpha1: did you check the BTS? |
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| 13:24.08 | Ranpha1 | SerajewelKS BTS? bug report system? |
| 13:24.14 | SerajewelKS | !bts |
| 13:24.15 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:24.39 | Ranpha1 | SerajewelKS well checked but nothing about the stop of function..... |
| 13:24.50 | capiira | anyone here ever used dm-crypt over a long time ? i would like to know how mature it is |
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| 13:24.58 | Ranpha1 | what is the package name of the gnome extracter anyway? |
| 13:25.01 | MTecknology | how do I make https sites? |
| 13:25.15 | MTecknology | is there any easy way? |
| 13:25.22 | petemc | MTecknology: add ssl directives to your vhost config |
| 13:25.24 | abrotman | a2enmod ssl |
| 13:25.37 | Ranpha1 | capiira it's mature works perfectly |
| 13:25.42 | SerajewelKS | Ranpha1: file-roller |
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| 13:26.37 | MTecknology | petemc, do I need to install anything b4 that, or is ssl already installed? |
| 13:26.44 | Ranpha1 | mmm is their a apt-get reinstall option if i removed it my whole gnome goes away |
| 13:26.50 | petemc | MTecknology: apache2 should have all you need |
| 13:26.54 | capiira | how long you used it? |
| 13:27.01 | MTecknology | petemc, aight, thanks :) |
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| 13:27.06 | petemc | MTecknology: google for a guide, theres thousands |
| 13:27.32 | MTecknology | aight - I'm not even as far as doing it yet, I'm still installing the base system. |
| 13:27.35 | Ranpha1 | capiira been using it since well i think half a year now. it works faster than truecrypt. but hell i have a special crypt CPU for that :-) |
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| 13:27.58 | Ranpha1 | capiira but look on google for cryptsetup and luks it's the new thingie |
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| 13:28.08 | capiira | crypt CPU? |
| 13:28.32 | cast | a via one Ranpha1? |
| 13:28.42 | cast | or a crypto pci card to offload to |
| 13:29.04 | Ranpha1 | cast VIA C7 |
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| 13:30.00 | capiira | parthow much ? |
| 13:30.05 | capiira | how much ? |
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| 13:30.59 | Ranpha1 | capiira the C7 comes with a complete mainboard. about 120 euro. two gbit intefaces , sata etc. Superb for fileservers or other servers |
| 13:31.16 | cast | how any sata connectors did you get? |
| 13:31.58 | Ranpha1 | cast only two and ide which is a same but their is a pci interface so with a cheap sweex pci card i got four. enough for mu four 500gb disk... |
| 13:32.02 | capiira | ahh ok interesting and its noticeable faster? |
| 13:32.06 | wookienz2 | petemc, where do i find these forward options |
| 13:32.07 | wookienz2 | ? |
| 13:32.35 | cast | capiira: does AES at 10gbps...iirc |
| 13:32.50 | Ranpha1 | capiira well if you have a 3,0ghx P4 or faster you won't see difference because it as fast as a P4 but it's cheaper and it quiet , and better for the enivrment |
| 13:33.28 | cast | i was under the impression a ... oh C7. my bad. thought we were talking about C3s :) |
| 13:33.31 | Ranpha1 | It also can do random number fast :-0 but ahven't tried that out yet |
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| 13:33.55 | wfq | can anyone tell me why I am no able to see chinese docs? |
| 13:34.16 | wfq | I have set up my system with es_Es.utf8 and I have added ca_es.utf8 |
| 13:34.36 | ||arifaX | Hi, I like to build amavis-stats and it needs a parameter -with-php-config=PATH Where should PATH point to? |
| 13:34.45 | abrotman | wfq: probably need chinese fonts ? |
| 13:35.36 | Ranpha1 | cast capiira and the best thin is that 2.6.19 or above kernel support the cpu by default. only need to add a module and voila |
| 13:35.51 | wfq | abrotman, where can I find them? |
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| 13:36.28 | wfq | coud it be the same problem for words as Verk?ufer? |
| 13:36.30 | cast | Ranpha1: should benchmark dm-crypt vs plain use on it, with LRW and CBC-ESSIV, and post on wiki |
| 13:37.09 | Ranpha1 | cast somebody already did on http://www.logix.cz/michal/devel/padlock/index.xp?show_selected=1&msgid=399#feedback_form |
| 13:37.16 | okta | what does "make install" usually do? is it safe to run make install for php5 if i want to keep my installed package? |
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| 13:37.39 | abrotman | why are you compiling php ? |
| 13:37.48 | jxi | okta: usually copies files to system locations.. |
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| 13:38.18 | wookienz2 | gents, i have two nics, one on a ppp connection and the other is an internal network iface. i can ping and resolve on the nix box out of the ppp adapter but cant get any pings or resolving from the internal netwrok...any help? |
| 13:38.45 | cast | Ranpha1: old benchmark, on a C3. he got a 50% hit from using encryption...even i don't get that and i'm on a x2 |
| 13:38.47 | okta | abrotman: php gd support |
| 13:39.18 | jxi | wookienz2: check routing tables with "route".. |
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| 13:39.55 | Ranpha1 | cast like i said if you use a strong CPU , a old P4 is good enough. forget about being faster you need to compare with a celeron 1,5 ghz if you want to see the improvement |
| 13:40.04 | wishie | is there any reason why my linux box cant get on the internet via my netgear adsl2+ modem/router, yet my windows box can ? |
| 13:40.15 | capiira | just install the gd package |
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| 13:40.47 | wfq | I've installed xfonts-intl-chinese-big fo getting chinese fonts but I cannot see them yet. |
| 13:40.56 | wookienz2 | jxi, i have the internal nic as 192.168.2.0 and * under gateway. i also have a gateway setup under deafult. do i need to explicitly tell the nix box to redirect internal traffci out the defualt gateway? |
| 13:41.10 | capiira | its called php5-gd |
| 13:41.21 | cast | wishie: there are lots of reasons. fucked up networking config on client or router comes to mind |
| 13:41.43 | Ranpha1 | wishie doe you have dhcp on? |
| 13:42.02 | wishie | cast router is working ok, since the windows box can get out.. the linux box used to have a pppoe setup on it, and i remember something about MTU ? is that going to be valid still ? |
| 13:42.27 | wishie | Ranpha1: i have DHCP on the router yes, but not the linux box. i want its IP static. |
| 13:43.01 | Ranpha1 | wishie well i got problems also with static suddenly if disappears don;t know way and haven't figured it out |
| 13:43.05 | cast | and what does /etc/network/interfaces look like? |
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| 13:44.04 | wishie | cast: simple eth0 static ip setup now |
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| 13:45.44 | wfq | I hve now installed the chinsese fonts for X and I am not able to see the chinese character yet |
| 13:45.49 | wishie | and yes, i can ping the router/modem on its internal ip |
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| 13:46.25 | wfq | however if I paste a chinese letter into my X's default text editor I can see |
| 13:46.37 | cast | wishie: set the gw with route? |
| 13:46.38 | wookienz | jxi, i have the internal nic as 192.168.2.0 and * under gateway. i also have a gateway setup under deafult. do i need to explicitly tell the nix box to redirect internal traffci out the defualt gateway? |
| 13:46.49 | cast | wishie: did you set a gateway in interfaces, for that matter? |
| 13:46.52 | wishie | with "route add default gw 192.168.0.254" yes |
| 13:47.09 | wishie | cast: but "route" shows something strange..brb |
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| 13:47.51 | wishie | default www.routerlogin 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 13:48.01 | wishie | where the hell is it getting "www.routelogin" from ? |
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| 13:49.27 | cast | wishie: host 192.168.0.254 probably gets reported as that if your router is also set as nameserver |
| 13:50.04 | wAndyw78 | Hi all. I want to move *.deb form /var/cache/apt/archives to another debian lenny PC. How do I import the files on the other PC? |
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| 13:50.20 | cast | wishie: dpkg -i *.deb will install it |
| 13:50.26 | wishie | cast: ok, but that doesnt tell us why i cant get net..heh |
| 13:50.31 | cast | uh, wAndyw78 even |
| 13:50.40 | wAndyw78 | you didn't understand... |
| 13:50.47 | cast | no, i do not. |
| 13:50.58 | cast | wth does import mean. install? copy over? |
| 13:51.15 | wAndyw78 | I wan't make a "apt-get dist-upgrade" on the other PC |
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| 13:51.29 | wishie | cast: ok, so removing 192.168.0.254 as the nameserver explains that problem.. still no net though |
| 13:51.31 | wAndyw78 | but most of the needed packages are already on the other PC |
| 13:52.59 | cast | wishie: i do not know :( you haven't set any restrictions at your router on which clients that can connect can you? for one box that i wanted to have static but didn't want to change its networking config from dhcp, i set a rule in my routers config to always give that mac the same ip...crude but it works for me |
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| 13:53.31 | wishie | cast: yeah, i was thinking of going that way |
| 13:53.45 | wishie | give it "DHCP" setup, but tell the modem to always assign the same IP to that MAC |
| 13:53.48 | cast | wAndyw78: personally i'd try dumping them in /var/cache/apt/archives and seeing what happens, i have a feeling ive done that in the past :) |
| 13:54.00 | wishie | but as you said, it sort of sounded crude |
| 13:54.04 | wishie | ill give it a go though |
| 13:54.32 | wAndyw78 | cast: already tried that, but apt-get upgrade tries to download every package, even when it already resides inside the cache |
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| 13:55.51 | Miles_Prower | I am attempting to use mbmon with phpsysinfo, but mbmon returns an error saying it must be setuid root. How would I do this? (Google = NoHelp) |
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| 13:56.57 | cast | !setuid |
| 13:56.57 | dpkg | methinks setuid is a bit which, when set on a program, makes the program execute with the privileges of the owner, as opposed to the person who ran it. Example: chmod u+s <file...> |
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| 13:58.17 | Noborusan | hi guys |
| 13:58.26 | Noborusan | i have fail2ban installed |
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| 13:58.55 | Noborusan | i checked, i have 2 proftpd.conf |
| 13:59.21 | Noborusan | i wonder which one or elsewhere i should work on to set limitation on wrong login for proftpd ? |
| 13:59.41 | Noborusan | one is /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/proftpd.conf and another is /etc/proftpd.conf |
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| 14:00.29 | Noborusan | because a guy has tested it out by using 2 servers to force hacked in the ftp account which took 2 days |
| 14:01.04 | Noborusan | and the ftp account has a long password include numbers and letters which is 14 long |
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| 14:02.31 | cast | are you just serving files Noborusan? or are people uploading too |
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| 14:02.51 | Noborusan | cast, both,its webhosting thing |
| 14:03.02 | Noborusan | so the ftp account for them to upload/download . |
| 14:03.09 | cast | ah. |
| 14:03.09 | wookienz | what would be a simple firewall rule i can add ot ensure that my internal network can get out through the ppp interface. at the moment im notgetting anything passed the firewall with absolutely no firewall ruells et up |
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| 14:04.01 | RAHSPUTIN | hi how can i get my Cybermaxx ( Aiptek International, Inc. APT-2 Tablet ) Tablett to run in debian etch stable. |
| 14:04.16 | wols_ | wookienz: you mean the linux box acting as a router for others? |
| 14:04.32 | wookienz | yeah, as the gateway. |
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| 14:04.48 | wols_ | you will need two network interfaces on the linux box and then simpl yinstall ipmasq |
| 14:04.51 | wookienz | my inernal network on the other nic is not getting outside the 'nix box. |
| 14:04.54 | wols_ | dnsmasq is also good |
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| 14:04.59 | wols_ | yes, ipmasq then |
| 14:05.07 | ari_stress | hello |
| 14:05.08 | Noborusan | cast, i googled, says with MaxLoginAttempts will work |
| 14:05.10 | wols_ | and dnsmasqw for the dns server procy part |
| 14:05.15 | ari_stress | where do i put peerdns=no ? |
| 14:05.17 | Noborusan | cast, however,i dont have that line in proftpd.conf |
| 14:05.18 | wols_ | *proxy |
| 14:05.19 | wookienz | wols_, i was using shorewall but it wasnt working so flushed all ruels to make it work with no rules then go from there |
| 14:05.28 | abrotman | okta: that's already in debian |
| 14:05.30 | wishie | cast: same issue, even with DHCP assigned IP |
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| 14:05.39 | Noborusan | cast, also,im wondering how come fail2ban seems doesn't work for proftpd protection,hmmm |
| 14:05.44 | wols_ | aptitude install ipmasq dnsmasq and you're done. no more config necessary |
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| 14:05.51 | Snitch | Anyone know what package "vnc.so" is in? |
| 14:05.53 | cast | Noborusan: so a guy broke into your proftpd in two days? |
| 14:05.59 | wols_ | !tell Snitch about search |
| 14:06.00 | cast | Snitch: use apt-file search |
| 14:06.00 | wishie | cast: i can ping the modem, but if i try to ping externally, i get.. ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 14:06.00 | ari_stress | Noborusan: it's because proftpd is not compile against libwrap |
| 14:06.10 | wols_ | Snitch: pdo and apt-file is what you want |
| 14:06.21 | Noborusan | cast, he is a friend of mine,he did that to inform me to have it secured,a good guy though. |
| 14:06.40 | cast | Noborusan: curious, you say you had a long password, how did he do it? |
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| 14:07.23 | Noborusan | cast, he used a type of program to do it,stuff like some force crack tool,use dictionary |
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| 14:07.43 | Noborusan | cast, he is a programmer,by the way. |
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| 14:08.25 | Noborusan | ari_stress, hmm i have no idea,,,but i would love to know if there is way to fix it out. |
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| 14:08.46 | Noborusan | or maybe there is no resolution |
| 14:09.01 | Noborusan | cuz he uses proxy,from different IPs to do it. |
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| 14:09.04 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 14:09.28 | cast | well, there aren't that many proxies in the world |
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| 14:10.27 | Seb | cast: there are |
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| 14:11.23 | Noborusan | cast, logically, fial2ban should work with proftpd right |
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| 14:12.37 | cast | Seb: we're talking a 14 char letter/number password...6200884717328763456069632 random tries on average to get it...which seems a bit weird to have a passwd like that brute forced, hmm. |
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| 14:12.48 | cast | dare i ask Noborusan, what was the 14 char passwd? |
| 14:13.11 | Noborusan | cast, hold on,please |
| 14:13.14 | Snitch | cheers guys :) |
| 14:13.20 | MTecknology | I tried running a2enmod but it's not found - I also can't install it b/c it's not in the default repos.... |
| 14:13.28 | Ranpha1 | question i ahve a simple base system with no encryption. I have 5 disk which i manually mount and uncrypt with cryptsetup. My swap isn't encrypted. is this a security flaw of me? |
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| 14:13.45 | petemc | MTecknology: sure it is |
| 14:13.51 | cast | Ranpha1: yeah, kinda. |
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| 14:14.07 | MTecknology | petemc, did i spell it wrong? |
| 14:14.16 | petemc | dpkg -S `which a2enmod` |
| 14:14.16 | petemc | apache2-common: /usr/sbin/a2enmod |
| 14:14.16 | dpkg | Package: `which a2enmod`: Status: install ok installed |
| 14:14.20 | Ranpha1 | cast AH &#*@ .....back to the drwing board thanks |
| 14:14.27 | cast | Ranpha1: i'm not sure if the actual keys ever get swapped out, but at the very least the data you're moving may, its pretty typical for people to either encrypt swap or turn it off |
| 14:14.33 | Noborusan | cast, oops, it took him 5 days, not 2 days,sorry.let me ask him |
| 14:15.08 | MTecknology | petemc, lol - I'm installing the newest kernel right now... |
| 14:15.08 | cwheeler | how much overhead does encrypted swap add? |
| 14:15.12 | cast | Noborusan: even 5 days, with 2 computers, taking into account network latency, i would have thought an unpredictable 14 char pass would be fine |
| 14:15.13 | MTecknology | fun stuff |
| 14:15.28 | Scurz | hi |
| 14:15.50 | Noborusan | unpredictable ? |
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| 14:16.22 | cwheeler | not his name for example i assume |
| 14:16.39 | cast | cwheeler: no idea! don't use it. benchmark it and tell me :) |
| 14:16.43 | Scurz | Is it possible to repair the blocks of a hard disk ? |
| 14:16.59 | cwheeler | i don't use it either |
| 14:17.17 | cwheeler | all my machines are in a secure environment |
| 14:17.37 | cast | it would be nice to ebay old computers thoug |
| 14:17.54 | cwheeler | and there is no evidence of criminal activity on my swap spaces |
| 14:18.16 | Scurz | ideas please? |
| 14:18.27 | cwheeler | repair? |
| 14:18.31 | cast | i do not think the average user of encryptioned block devices is a criminal :) |
| 14:18.38 | cwheeler | some drives will remap bad sectors |
| 14:18.41 | cwheeler | nor do I |
| 14:18.58 | cwheeler | I support the constitution, right to privacy etc |
| 14:19.05 | Scurz | cwheeler: yes... |
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| 14:19.39 | cwheeler | scsi drive remap bad sectors when you format them, i don't know how ata/ide works |
| 14:19.46 | Scurz | ok |
| 14:20.03 | cwheeler | but if sectors are going bad it's life is probably coming to a close |
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| 14:20.15 | Scurz | so, my hard disk is dead |
| 14:20.27 | cwheeler | what kind of disk? |
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| 14:21.17 | Ranpha1 | cast i know but because i wasn't thinking of the file disk. only thinking it was for complete system it just hit me when i almost finished a install :-) oh well |
| 14:21.32 | MTecknology | petemc, dpkg-query: --search needs at least one file name pattern argument |
| 14:22.00 | Scurz | cwheeler: IDE |
| 14:22.03 | cast | Scurz: i'd start using ZFS, just for fun :) |
| 14:22.04 | petemc | MTecknology: a2enmod is in apache2-common , which should be pulled in when you install apache2 |
| 14:22.14 | Scurz | cast: :) |
| 14:22.16 | MTecknology | petemc, k, thanks |
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| 14:22.55 | r3tex | how can I show what changes are in new packages when installing with aptitude? |
| 14:23.01 | qwertz__ | Hi, is there a limit of sub directories a ext3 partition can hold (32.xxx)? And if yes is there any way to increase this limit? |
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| 14:23.33 | abrotman | i think there's a limit of files per directory (directories are files technically i suppose) |
| 14:23.38 | AldarHawk | I am having problems with my debian install attempting to initialize Gnome every time I install anything. Would someone be able to help me? I will PM the debconf error lines. |
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| 14:25.08 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:25.08 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:25.10 | MTecknology | how do i unpackage a zip file? |
| 14:25.13 | abrotman | unzip |
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| 14:25.20 | wols_ | MTecknology: install unzip |
| 14:25.31 | wols_ | oii... seksi |
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| 14:25.34 | petemc | kinky |
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| 14:25.48 | cast | i expect this kind of thing in #osx |
| 14:25.50 | MTecknology | wols_, ty - i've never used those in linux :P |
| 14:26.05 | Snitch | can anyone recommend tape backup software? |
| 14:26.08 | AldarHawk | I do not think I will paste anything to this channel. Just need help :( |
| 14:26.12 | wols_ | cast: there they don't stop at only unzipping. they follow through |
| 14:26.13 | cast | Snitch: tar? |
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| 14:26.43 | wols_ | AldarHawk: we don't like PMs either. do it public in channel the asking+helping) |
| 14:26.49 | wols_ | for a paste, use a pastebin |
| 14:26.52 | wols_ | !paste |
| 14:26.52 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 14:27.02 | AldarHawk | okay I just would like some help :( |
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| 14:27.09 | Snitch | anything with a GUI? |
| 14:27.12 | wols_ | I told you how to get it |
| 14:27.14 | AldarHawk | would you like to have the paste.debian.net addy? |
| 14:27.32 | wols_ | AldarHawk: never ask to ask, just ask |
| 14:27.42 | wols_ | and simply tell us the url |
| 14:27.58 | wols_ | less politeness, more direct, problem centered questions |
| 14:28.04 | AldarHawk | http://paste.debian.net/35367 <-- this is the errors I am getting. xorg is not present nor is gnome or any other window manager. |
| 14:28.14 | Makalolo | Hi guys, which package do i need to install in order to get the QT 4? tried several them ... libqt .. qt-free-dev.. etc.. but the sistem still says "qt 4 missing" when installing some programs |
| 14:28.23 | wols_ | !beer abrotman |
| 14:28.30 | wols_ | but a ethanol free one |
| 14:28.31 | fluxdude | I'd like some ideas for what to use for graphical alerts. I'm currently using xmessage, I have used xosd a little, is there anything else? |
| 14:28.40 | wols_ | remember kids: don't drink and irc |
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| 14:28.56 | abrotman | AldarHawk: dpkg-reconfigure debconf .. choose the ncurses frontend |
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| 14:29.09 | wols_ | Makalolo: if "install" you mean "compile", you need the -dev package for qt |
| 14:29.32 | wols_ | !info libqt-dev etch |
| 14:29.37 | azeem_ | Makalolo: usually, you shouldn't worry about libraries |
| 14:29.48 | azeem_ | Makalolo: install applications via apt-get, aptitude or synaptic |
| 14:29.51 | AldarHawk | I get the options Dialog, Readline, Gnome, Kde, Editor, Noninteractive |
| 14:30.09 | AldarHawk | I take it as Noninteractive would be my option but I could be wrong |
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| 14:30.14 | Makalolo | thank you guys |
| 14:30.29 | wols_ | AldarHawk: dialog |
| 14:30.39 | wols_ | noninteractive is bad for you |
| 14:30.54 | AldarHawk | Thank you all :) |
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| 14:31.00 | MatBoy | when I want to tar a folder into a file and I don't want to extract it as /foler/files.ext.. how shall I tar the files than ? |
| 14:31.18 | r3tex | nobody knows how to see changes in packages that are going to be installed? |
| 14:31.20 | azeem | a folder into a file? |
| 14:31.28 | azeem | oh, into a tarball I assume |
| 14:31.29 | wols_ | cd folder; tar -xzvf folde.tar.gz * |
| 14:31.32 | petemc | r3tex: apt-listchanges |
| 14:31.36 | r3tex | thanks! |
| 14:32.08 | MatBoy | wols_, ok, I got a wronf EOF |
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| 14:32.25 | rfmonk | popular channel |
| 14:32.27 | Ranpha1 | cast. now i have a system so 50 km up the road. with the same configure but no encrypted swap. also i'ts only accesible in ssh is their a way to flush swap? |
| 14:32.55 | cast | Ranpha1: ssh in, swapoff, set up encrypted swap, swapon again? |
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| 14:33.20 | wols_ | MatBoy: doh. tar -czvf |
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| 14:33.43 | Ranpha1 | cast mmmm what about no swap at all....mmmm |
| 14:33.59 | cast | Ranpha1: i run with no swap, each to their own |
| 14:34.40 | wols_ | Ranpha1: depends what the box does and how much RAM it has |
| 14:34.53 | wols_ | tho, it's said linux wants swap and runs better with it even when it's not needed |
| 14:34.54 | jetscreamer | if you don't do cad or something like that swap not really needed, depending |
| 14:34.58 | wols_ | something I never udnerstood tbh |
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| 14:36.01 | Ranpha1 | wols_ simple backup server only needs to run rsync nothing else |
| 14:36.13 | Noborusan | in the config file of fail2ban that is jail.conf,there doesnt have a bantime settings,any idea ? |
| 14:36.15 | Ranpha1 | wols_ 512 mb btw no graphic interface |
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| 14:36.40 | cast | what do people that run rsync for backups do when a file gets corrupted just before a backup and they don't notice it? |
| 14:36.43 | wols_ | Ranpha1: no swap. it's network i/o (or disk i/o) bound anywayss |
| 14:37.20 | Ranpha1 | wols_ network bound? what's that? |
| 14:37.30 | jetscreamer | limited |
| 14:37.41 | d0uglas | i got a 4 hd raid, i want two disks to mirror the others. do i want to use raid 1 for this? ... debian installer doesn't seem to do raid0+1 |
| 14:37.44 | wols_ | the limit how fast your server is, will be the network |
| 14:37.51 | Ranpha1 | cast hope it doesn't corrupted no way of telling i guess |
| 14:38.16 | cast | Ranpha1: now if you run rdiff-backup ...:) |
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| 14:38.56 | Ranpha1 | cast rdiff-backup? euh can you do that over ssh? and it's simple to check files |
| 14:39.17 | cast | Ranpha1: sure can do it over ssh. |
| 14:39.49 | cast | Ranpha1: think of rdiff-backup as rsync, but with the possiblity to grab old backups as well as the most recent |
| 14:40.15 | jelly | cast: they restore from previous backup after noticing. |
| 14:40.31 | Ranpha1 | cast won't work for me. i'm backuping up over 5 million files |
| 14:40.45 | cast | jelly: but if they use rsync as their backup tool they don't have a previous backup |
| 14:40.56 | jelly | cast: sure they do. rtfm. |
| 14:41.02 | cast | hmm. |
| 14:41.53 | Ranpha1 | cast i only backup static image file like photos , so change of corrpution is small |
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| 14:42.35 | jelly | cast: see for example rsnapshot, a relatively simple rsync wrapper that keeps multiple versions of the backed up tree |
| 14:43.06 | troy | is there anyway to force the removal of a .deb without it running the post-removal script? |
| 14:43.14 | jelly | cast: basically, first make a hardlink-copy of the whole tree, then rsync the new one. |
| 14:43.28 | cast | good call, didn't know about --backup |
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| 14:45.53 | pocukrani | can i look where when i have install system on pc ? |
| 14:46.01 | jelly | cast: yeah. before it was implemented, the backup scripts could first do something like cp -al |
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| 14:46.17 | azeem | pocukrani: look for what? |
| 14:46.38 | pocukrani | date when i have installed system |
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| 14:47.06 | wishie | i cant for the life of me, get my debian box to use my internet connection.. i have a ADSL2+ modem/router setup using PPPoA and assigning an IP and gateway to my debian box, and windows box. The windows box is working. the debian box seems to be able to resolve IP's, but cant browse sites or ping hosts at all |
| 14:47.34 | Ranpha1 | rsnapshot will store the tree rsync evertime makes, does this also include checksum? |
| 14:47.57 | jelly | Ranpha1: not as far as I know |
| 14:49.14 | Ranpha1 | jelly but rsync only chekc if the checksum of the file on pc1 is the same as pc2 if different it copies pc1 file right? |
| 14:49.53 | cast | jelly: mmm, i think i may still be pimping rdiff-backup. rsync --backup, if i make a 1 byte change to a 1gb file, is going to take up 2gb from my understanding |
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| 14:51.02 | jelly | cast: correct |
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| 14:51.57 | abrotman | i'd imagine rdiff-backup will use more CPU though (if tha'ts a factor) |
| 14:52.02 | jelly | Ranpha1: well, rsync by default skips checksum verification if the timestamps and sizes are equal, but you can force it. |
| 14:52.13 | MTecknology | where the apache config files? |
| 14:52.21 | abrotman | /etc/apache/ or /etc/apache2/ |
| 14:52.34 | sparrw | might ron@debian.org be reachable on IRC? |
| 14:52.36 | jelly | abrotman: also, losing an diff somewhere in the middle makes for bad juju |
| 14:52.46 | MTecknology | ty |
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| 14:52.52 | zicho | if i want to make two commans print different things in the terminal, but i want a "-" in between, how do i do that? I tried "command1 \- command2" but that wont work. Also i want the output to be on one line. |
| 14:52.56 | Noborusan | cast, hi ,can i ask ? |
| 14:53.14 | Noborusan | i have snort installed and running |
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| 14:53.18 | abrotman | jelly: hehe |
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| 14:53.28 | abrotman | sparrw: do you know his IRC nick ? |
| 14:53.28 | cast | i see rdiff-backup has the tag admin::backup, how does one list all apps with such a tag? |
| 14:53.34 | cast | Noborusan: nfi. never used snort. |
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| 14:53.45 | sparrw | abrotman: no, hence the question :) |
| 14:53.53 | Noborusan | but i haven't configured it with iptables,i mean once the attack attemption are matched as they are defined in snort,it will bring on iptables to take it over |
| 14:53.54 | abrotman | sparrw: and he doesn't have one listed at db.debian.org |
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| 14:54.00 | Noborusan | ok |
| 14:54.09 | abrotman | sparrw: maybe check OFTC |
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| 14:54.40 | sparrw | thanks |
| 14:55.33 | jelly | cast: probably with aptitude search [something], /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html: |
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| 14:56.15 | Ranpha1 | jelly i know but if you orginial file is corrupt it copies the corrupt one ...but stating that i put my files on disk and keep them their without change so their won't be easy to get corrupt right? |
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| 14:57.06 | jelly | cast: where something = '~G tag-regexp' |
| 14:57.52 | cast | sweet :) |
| 14:58.29 | xoz | cast: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:58.34 | jelly | Ranpha1: only if your disk is infallible :-| |
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| 15:00.11 | juso | I have a server where it boots up but doesnt give me a login prompt on monitor, sshd works. butit says "INIT: No processes in run level left" Anyone have an idea why I get no login prompt on monitor? |
| 15:00.29 | wols_ | cause no getty is run |
| 15:00.43 | cast | good night all |
| 15:00.49 | juso | wols_: oh, where would I check for that? |
| 15:01.19 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.24 | r3tex | petemc: how do you use it with programs that aptitude will upgrade without downloading the packages first and then doing each one by one |
| 15:01.29 | juso | have getty start up? |
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| 15:01.58 | moshii | juso: or you inittab |
| 15:02.01 | moshii | *your |
| 15:02.08 | petemc | r3tex: dont know, sorry |
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| 15:03.21 | Ranpha1 | jelly : okay but what are the changes that a file get's corrupt of a transfer? and how do you notice a orignal corrput file? has to be luck or one big ass checksum file and check that every time |
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| 15:04.44 | mgn | Hi all. I've installed the update to debian 4.0, but now I can no longer start my virtual machines in Virtualbox. When I try I get an error message saying VirtualBox kernel driver not installed. |
| 15:04.50 | jelly | Ranpha1: how do you notice something's corrupt right now? |
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| 15:05.12 | mgn | How can i fix this problem? |
| 15:05.25 | petemc | is the virtualbox kernel driver installed? |
| 15:05.49 | zicho | how do i get two commands to make their output on one line? |
| 15:06.08 | mgn | petemc: well, it was working fine with the previous kernel. |
| 15:06.09 | sparrw | first time ive emailed a package maintainer to ask about configure flags :) |
| 15:06.20 | jelly | mgn, petemc: better question, is it built for the current kernel? |
| 15:06.24 | petemc | mgn: then you have something to work from |
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| 15:08.20 | jelly | mgn: you need to install matching linux-headers-`uname -r` package if you want the module to be built successfully |
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| 15:09.11 | Ranpha1 | jelly welll funny you asked....i missing files ...i think ...i dunno 5 million files man.... |
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| 15:10.19 | mgn | jelly: Ahh of course. I will try to download the matching linux headers then. |
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| 15:11.55 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:11.55 | dpkg | i heard qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
| 15:11.57 | mgn | jelly: After installing the matching linux-header will it then work after reboot? Or do i have to do some configurations in virtual box? |
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| 15:12.22 | azeem | mgn: you'd need to build the kernel driver aganist the headers |
| 15:12.28 | azeem | (I assume) |
| 15:12.50 | jelly | mgn: as ar as I can tell, their init script tries to rebuild the module if it is missing. maybe you don't need to reboot, just "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv start" |
| 15:13.03 | mgn | azeem: Ok. How do i do that? I simply installed Virtual Box as a .deb package |
| 15:13.13 | azeem | mgn: no idea, ask virtual box peple |
| 15:13.19 | azeem | or is this an official Debian .deb? |
| 15:13.23 | mgn | jelly: I'll try that :) |
| 15:13.38 | jelly | azeem: it's not in Debian (yet) |
| 15:13.55 | mgn | azeem: I downloaded it from the virtual box web site, but it isnt a "standard package" in etch |
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| 15:15.02 | mgn | jelly: When I "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv start" i get: "Modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why." |
| 15:15.03 | spheard | mysqldump -u remote -h www.moonet.co.uk -ptape-deck --opt --databases mikey > $datest'.sql' -- is there any way I can test if this command caused an error? a way to test if an error code was produced? |
| 15:15.22 | jelly | mgn: and ... ? |
| 15:15.44 | jelly | mgn: you did run it as root, right? :-) |
| 15:15.49 | abrotman | spheard: see what exit codes mysqldump gives |
| 15:15.49 | tristian | hi all, I am trying to get twinview set up on my dual head graphics card. I would like the two monitors to have different resolutions (CRT-0 at 1680x1050 and CRT-1 at 1280x1024). I cant seem to do it. |
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| 15:16.24 | spheard | abrotman: but how would I get that info into a bash script as a variable? |
| 15:16.26 | mgn | jelly: yep I did |
| 15:16.40 | abrotman | spheard: man bash .. very long .. but it tells you how |
| 15:16.47 | spheard | meh |
| 15:16.59 | abrotman | spheard: reading is good! |
| 15:17.09 | N0S3 | jaja |
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| 15:17.46 | tristian | anyone got any experience with twinview? |
| 15:17.56 | abrotman | spheard: in the "Special Parameters" section |
| 15:17.57 | mgn | jelly: But what should I be looking for in dmesg? Can't find anything containing vbox |
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| 15:18.24 | abrotman | erm .. i think that's the section |
| 15:18.28 | abrotman | spheard: or ask #bash |
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| 15:20.25 | spheard | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:21.12 | jelly | mgn: look for a reason why "modprobe vboxdrv" would fail |
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| 15:22.18 | jhiver | hi |
| 15:22.56 | jhiver | i would like to see how much bandwith is being "used" by a given IP address |
| 15:23.02 | jhiver | how would you go about it? |
| 15:23.20 | mgn | jelly: When typing modprobe vboxdrv I get FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found. |
| 15:23.25 | petemc | jhiver: you would need to have something set up before you can do that - ive used ipac-ng |
| 15:23.31 | jelly | mgn: so it wasn't built at all |
| 15:23.36 | petemc | jhiver: you can see in real time with iptraf |
| 15:23.55 | jhiver | iptraf you say |
| 15:23.59 | jhiver | ok i'll try this |
| 15:24.02 | mgn | jelly: When you say "built" do you then refer to reinstalling the deb.-package? |
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| 15:24.39 | DeeJayTwo | I removed and reinstalled postgresql 7.4 |
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| 15:24.46 | DeeJayTwo | I removed /etc/init.d/postgresql |
| 15:24.49 | DeeJayTwo | how do I get it back? |
| 15:24.57 | DeeJayTwo | it looks like reinstalling the package doesn't do it... |
| 15:25.08 | jelly | mgn: no, I mean that there's some source code for a kernel module called "vboxdrv", and that module has not been recompiled for your current kernel |
| 15:25.09 | jhiver | i'm going to apt-get install it and see what it's like =) |
| 15:25.10 | jeward | Has anyone managed to get skippy (expose for X11) to compile on etch? |
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| 15:25.28 | jeward | Well, I got it to compile, but it errors out I should say. |
| 15:25.29 | jelly | mgn: try running /etc/init.d/vboxdrv by itself to see what it can do |
| 15:25.39 | mgn | jelly: Arh ok:( How do I do that then? (sorry for the newbish questions= |
| 15:25.39 | jelly | mgn: or ask in #vbox |
| 15:25.44 | Noborusan | night,guys |
| 15:26.54 | jhiver | any way to tell IPtraf NOT to show SSH traffic? =) |
| 15:27.05 | petemc | jhiver: there are ways to filter, yes |
| 15:27.26 | mgn | jelly: Got it to work now :D i had to run /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup. Then it recompiled the kernel module.After that i ran /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start, and then it worked ;) |
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| 15:27.44 | mgn | jelly: Thanks A LOT :) |
| 15:28.06 | fastputty | quickq uesiton like this, does openVPN can comunniticate wiht Checkpoint vpn? |
| 15:28.37 | Noborusan | besides snort,can anyone suggest me a neat program for debian that it does IDS jobs ? |
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| 15:28.45 | Kevin` | fastputty openvpn uses a custom vpn protocol. if you want an ipsec of pptp vpn, it won't work with it. unless checkpoint is actually using openvpn |
| 15:28.54 | Noborusan | better it will take actions to avoid attacking attemptions after they are found |
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| 15:29.11 | Noborusan | the snort from debian apt is bloody old. |
| 15:29.56 | jelly | mgn: great |
| 15:30.03 | Kevin` | openvpn gets recommended because it's a Good vpn, not because it works with other types of vpn software. there's other projects for that |
| 15:30.05 | abrotman | Noborusan: apt-cache search ids |
| 15:30.20 | jhiver | seems iptraf only monitors TCP traffic? |
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| 15:30.25 | jeward | How do I allow root to log into the X console? |
| 15:30.30 | jelly | Noborusan: snort is a prime candidate for debian-volatile, I think |
| 15:30.50 | cahoot | jeward, you probably want to use 'sux' |
| 15:31.07 | Noborusan | jelly, means snort is the right choice ? |
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| 15:31.21 | jhiver | aaah there's filters =) |
| 15:31.25 | jeward | cahoot: Checking, thanks. |
| 15:31.28 | abrotman | Noborusan: means it might be in volatile |
| 15:31.32 | abrotman | !volatile |
| 15:31.32 | dpkg | [volatile] debian-volatile, a project aiming to gather fast moving targets in an own "release" system. It can be found at http://volatile.debian.org/ |
| 15:31.33 | jelly | Noborusan: no, I mean it would be nice if someone made and kept a backport |
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| 15:31.45 | jelly | Noborusan: there is 2.7.0 in experimental though |
| 15:32.02 | Noborusan | I see |
| 15:32.13 | Noborusan | okay,thanks for today,have a good day/night, good night. |
| 15:32.34 | abrotman | it's not there though |
| 15:32.39 | jelly | ? |
| 15:33.02 | jelly | oh, not in volatile, right |
| 15:33.08 | abrotman | i see snort at bpo though |
| 15:33.16 | jelly | swhy I said that it would be nice. |
| 15:33.34 | jhiver | ok i've defined a UDP only filter |
| 15:33.45 | jelly | !info snort etch-backports |
| 15:33.45 | jhiver | but IPtraf shows only TCP info |
| 15:34.01 | jhiver | so it matches all UDP but doesn't display any =) |
| 15:34.04 | jelly | !info snort test123 |
| 15:34.19 | jelly | dpkg, you're dumb |
| 15:34.30 | abrotman | jelly: it's 2.3.3 at abp |
| 15:34.32 | abrotman | bpo |
| 15:34.48 | jelly | 2.3.3 is in stable |
| 15:35.29 | jelly | there's a whole 3.7 between 2.3.3 and 2.7.0 |
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| 15:36.59 | jhiver | any ideas how to get ip traf to show UDP stats instead of just TCP? |
| 15:37.19 | diafic | Why does the installer freeze at 83% - Installing the kernel - retrieving and installing linux-image-2.6-686? |
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| 15:37.43 | azeem | diafic: try to hit alt+f2/f3 and see whether there's something informative written there |
| 15:37.46 | diafic | Its a Pentium 4 (478) with 1GB of Ram and a 9200SE as a video adaptor |
| 15:37.48 | d0uglas | Doing a fresh install, got four HDs with some raid manager that fires up after cmos. Do i want to turn that off? |
| 15:37.49 | diafic | OK. |
| 15:38.00 | d0uglas | and just use debian's devel installer's software for raid? |
| 15:38.08 | diafic | d0uglas, sounds like you can do hardware raid |
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| 15:38.39 | d0uglas | hmm k i'll try that |
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| 15:39.06 | d0uglas | the bios raid thing offers raid0+1 which i want but that's not an apparent option in the installer |
| 15:39.07 | jelly | d0uglas: it depends of which raid controller you have. if it's a good one, you might want to use hw raid instead |
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| 15:39.20 | fastputty | Kevin`: is it a way to use open vpn with checkpoint or any solution. |
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| 15:39.43 | fastputty | Kevin`: i need to replace the old checkpoiint by a debian firewall, but this old checpoint comunicate with another chekcpoint under VPN |
| 15:40.01 | d0uglas | either way, debian sees four hard drives, so the bios raid manager doesn't trick debian into thinking it's all one big happy hard drive |
| 15:40.17 | Kevin` | fastputty why do you specifically want to use openvpn? |
| 15:40.28 | diafic | azeem ALT+F4/F3/F2 does nothing |
| 15:40.32 | fastputty | Kevin`: is there any other else vpn then? |
| 15:40.41 | fastputty | Kevin`: tat can let me comunicate with it |
| 15:40.41 | azeem | diafic: is this the graphical installer? |
| 15:40.45 | diafic | no |
| 15:40.50 | diafic | we have a graphical installer now? |
| 15:40.52 | Kevin` | fastputty what type of vpn does checkpoint use? |
| 15:40.55 | azeem | sure |
| 15:40.58 | Kevin` | what protocol |
| 15:41.00 | diafic | o.o |
| 15:41.06 | diafic | azeem where? |
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| 15:41.07 | azeem | diafic: alt+f2 doesn't switch consoles? |
| 15:41.09 | diafic | No |
| 15:41.15 | diafic | I think it's hard-frozen |
| 15:41.21 | azeem | then your box is frozen, yeah |
| 15:41.23 | fastputty | actually ido not know sice the old chekcpoint is borken |
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| 15:41.37 | azeem | diafic: do the num-lock lights on your keyboard still work? |
| 15:41.39 | diafic | azeem but it locks here every time |
| 15:41.44 | diafic | no |
| 15:41.50 | azeem | no idea |
| 15:41.51 | wad | Hi, guys. I've come across some .SHK files. I think these are "shrunk" by some apple utility. Anyone know how I could "unshrink" them? |
| 15:41.51 | fastputty | Kevin`: i am screwed xD |
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| 15:42.20 | Kevin` | fastputty well, if you want to find a compatible vpn solution, you need to know what protocol your existing stuff uses so you can find a server that uses that |
| 15:42.33 | diafic | Where do I get the graphical installer? |
| 15:42.44 | Kevin` | diafic it's a boot option on the cd |
| 15:42.51 | diafic | o.O |
| 15:42.54 | diafic | What iso? |
| 15:42.59 | azeem | the etch iso |
| 15:43.00 | diafic | this isn't debian ... o.o |
| 15:43.00 | Kevin` | any of them, I think |
| 15:43.08 | azeem | diafic: so why are you here? |
| 15:43.11 | diafic | I've STEPPED INTO UBUNTU |
| 15:43.19 | azeem | diafic: so go to #ubuntu |
| 15:43.27 | diafic | I'm not using ubuntu. |
| 15:43.35 | azeem | wtf are you talking about? |
| 15:43.35 | diafic | You appear to be talking about some graphical installer |
| 15:43.39 | Kevin` | I think he's being facecious |
| 15:43.40 | diafic | do you mean the ncurses one? |
| 15:43.44 | azeem | diafic: no |
| 15:43.50 | diafic | like, an actual X installer? |
| 15:43.54 | azeem | no |
| 15:43.59 | azeem | diafic: dude, do some research |
| 15:44.00 | diafic | Describe it |
| 15:44.02 | Kevin` | diafic debian DOES have a graphical installer |
| 15:44.08 | diafic | Kevin`, where? |
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| 15:44.13 | azeem | diafic: ON THE CD |
| 15:44.16 | Kevin` | it's like the curses one, only with an X gui |
| 15:44.20 | diafic | HOW DO YOU START IT THEN |
| 15:44.21 | azeem | it's not X |
| 15:44.24 | Kevin` | you can get to it with a boot option |
| 15:44.26 | azeem | 17:42 < azeem> diafic: dude, do some research |
| 15:44.28 | Kevin` | well, it looks like X |
| 15:44.31 | Kevin` | whatever. |
| 15:44.35 | diafic | azeem thats why I'm here |
| 15:44.36 | azeem | it's GTK over framebuffer |
| 15:44.46 | azeem | diafic: no, research is like google |
| 15:44.52 | azeem | this is just wasting people's time |
| 15:45.02 | azeem | diafic: did you even read the release notes or the installation manual? |
| 15:45.06 | Kevin` | google will answer this first-hit |
| 15:45.11 | diafic | Whoa. So we DO have a graphical installer. |
| 15:45.16 | Kevin` | debian graphical installer |
| 15:45.23 | d0uglas | we've had that for years, yo |
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| 15:45.26 | hardcampa_ | why use a graphical installer? |
| 15:45.27 | azeem | diafic: no, Debian has one |
| 15:45.35 | azeem | hardcampa_: to support non-latin scripts |
| 15:45.38 | azeem | scriptures |
| 15:45.46 | d0uglas | also have an installer option to log in with ssh to do the install |
| 15:45.48 | hardcampa_ | hum.. |
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| 15:46.16 | hardcampa_ | ok then.. why support non latin scripts should be the question... but whatever |
| 15:46.17 | DexterF | hi |
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| 15:46.27 | azeem | hardcampa_: because some people don't speak/read english? |
| 15:46.37 | hardcampa_ | they shouldn't touch a computer |
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| 15:46.42 | hardcampa_ | annoying bastards |
| 15:46.43 | Kevin` | some people like a graphical installer :) |
| 15:46.43 | azeem | hardcampa_: are you trolling? |
| 15:46.51 | DexterF | why would a kernel see a ide hard disk, not cd/dvd as scsi, i.e. sdX |
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| 15:46.55 | hardcampa_ | not really, it's actually my opinion |
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| 15:47.06 | azeem | ok, keep it to yourself |
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| 15:47.16 | hardcampa_ | I mean I live in Sweden. I hate swedish setups on computers |
| 15:47.18 | Kevin` | DexterF because a lot of the ata drivers use the scsi layer for disks, ignore it |
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| 15:47.26 | hardcampa_ | english should be the common language all computers use |
| 15:47.36 | azeem | hardcampa_: you mean fortran |
| 15:47.39 | hardcampa_ | =) |
| 15:47.57 | DexterF | Kevin`: can i assume those drives are in dma then? |
| 15:47.59 | Kevin` | DexterF (easier to register devices, I suppose, or cleaner) |
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| 15:48.09 | DexterF | for ioctl cant set dma on scsi |
| 15:48.23 | Kevin` | DexterF if your on a modern computer, you probably can. you can check the same as other devices though |
| 15:48.34 | DexterF | PII 400 :P |
| 15:49.03 | khaur | hi, is the apt package installation history saved somewhere on the disk? |
| 15:49.07 | d0uglas | if i do hardware raid, in the partition manager of the installer for raid0 (merging four hard drives), if debian sees four hard drives and says nothing about raid, do i make one primary and the other three flagged as raid? |
| 15:49.13 | Kevin` | whenever I was forced to use PIO mode (or a cpu driven block driver), you NOTICE it |
| 15:49.15 | Kevin` | :) |
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| 15:49.56 | Kevin` | d0uglas are you sure your using a real hardware raid? the raid on a lot of motherboards is "bios" raid, driver based. |
| 15:50.12 | Kevin` | with a real hardware raid it would appear as one drive to the operating system |
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| 15:50.49 | d0uglas | Kevin`: cmos offers IDE configuration to be normal or raid, then it offers to use an "on-board" manager |
| 15:50.58 | Kevin` | d0uglas if your using pseudo-raid, and are only installing linux, using MD raid (linux software raid) is a much better option |
| 15:51.22 | z0ran | why can't I install automatix, actualy i instaled it but is not going to start for some reason, it shows me a message when i try to start "THIS VERSION OF AUTOMATIX IS FOR DEBIAN 4.0r0 ONLY, i have debian etch 4.0, what did i do wrong, please, anyone! |
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| 15:51.42 | Kevin` | d0uglas if it's an option in the bios, it's probably driver based raid |
| 15:51.57 | Kevin` | especially if your not using an expesive server board. |
| 15:51.58 | azeem | z0ran: maybe you have 4.0r1 |
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| 15:52.07 | azeem | z0ran: anyway, you shouldn't use automatix |
| 15:52.13 | DexterF | Kevin`: piping a disk image thru gzip at 1MB/s roughly, wondering if it is possibly at pio or if its just the old cpu |
| 15:52.25 | Kevin` | DexterF check top |
| 15:52.33 | z0ran | azeem , i'm not, why? |
| 15:52.44 | Kevin` | you would probably notice bad latency problems if it was in pio |
| 15:52.48 | azeem | z0ran: i'm not what? |
| 15:52.48 | Kevin` | at the console |
| 15:52.52 | DexterF | Kevin`: naturally gzip grabs what it can, but it would anyway |
| 15:53.21 | Kevin` | DexterF there would be a lot of system cpu usage for pio |
| 15:53.23 | z0ran | azeem, can i install all those packages which is coming with automatix |
| 15:53.39 | jelly | z0ran: do you need ALL of them? |
| 15:53.57 | wAndyw78 | I have a up to date lenny and another PC with lenny but the last "apt-get dist-upgrade" is 4 month ago. So i want to transfer the already downloaded apt-cache to the other PC. Copy the files in /var/cache/apt/archive doesn't work |
| 15:53.57 | DexterF | ok then its dma. after all, old intel chipset. well. sit and wait. |
| 15:54.09 | z0ran | ok, but codecs and adobe reader |
| 15:54.13 | Kevin` | d0uglas if you want to install another os on the same array, like windows, you can use dmraid (don't confuse with md raid) to use the array in a bios-compatible format. this has less features so I don't recommend it |
| 15:54.36 | jelly | z0ran: both are available in the debian-multimedia repository, as far as I know |
| 15:54.40 | jelly | !dmm\ |
| 15:54.45 | jelly | !dmm |
| 15:54.45 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 15:54.57 | jelly | z0ran: see above |
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| 15:55.30 | z0ran | jelly, thanks so lot :) |
| 15:55.53 | cberlo | Hi folks. This isn't a Debian-specific question, but I know you guys have a lot of expertise here, so here goes: does anyone know of a way to get all account data from an Active Directory LDAP service using the ldap-utils? |
| 15:56.08 | jelly | !tell z0ran about marillat.etch |
| 15:56.10 | cberlo | (or any other command line utility in Linux)? |
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| 15:57.25 | jelly | cberlo: ldapsearch is going to be your friend, probably |
| 15:58.29 | cberlo | jelly: Okay, and I'm having trouble getting the homeDirectory attribute with that -- know any "tricks"? |
| 15:58.52 | jelly | cberlo: do you have permission to access it? |
| 15:59.22 | cberlo | yes. |
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| 15:59.57 | cberlo | I suspect it's a content issue. the fields contain "\", which seems to throw some utilities off. |
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| 16:02.30 | o00o00o | why debian is 21 cd's how i should download all this ? |
| 16:02.49 | jelly | cberlo: what does your command line look like? Do you use -L (ldif output)? |
| 16:02.59 | Ronin | o00o00o: you dont need all of them, do you have a high speed connection? |
| 16:03.11 | et | if you have an internet connection, you just need one cd that's about 40 mb |
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| 16:03.59 | d0uglas | o00o00o: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ yo |
| 16:04.07 | o00o00o | Ronin , i have 197kb\s but even if i do internet install i still will need to download all the rest durring the install , no ? |
| 16:04.09 | cberlo | ldapsearch -d5 -c -v -h server -p 3268 -D"user@domain" -x -W -b "dc=domain" "(&(samaccountname=finduser)(!(userAccountControl:1.2.840.113556.1.4.803:=2)))" homeDirectory |
| 16:04.23 | et | o00o00o: no. |
| 16:04.27 | Ronin | o00o00o: no |
| 16:04.28 | cberlo | jelly: Modified just a bit to obscure identity, etc. |
| 16:04.28 | d0uglas | o00o00o: no, you specify what you want and then it grabs the appropriate software |
| 16:04.33 | xand | o00o00o: no, you dont... that's every single package, most of which you wont want |
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| 16:05.37 | d0uglas | o00o00o: only holdup is if you have pppoe that's on your computer (versus your dsl adapter or whatever) or some wireless setup and no ethernet wire |
| 16:06.39 | o00o00o | ok , it simply sounds me strange that ubuntu wich is debian based is 1cd and debian is 21 . . . |
| 16:07.01 | Ronin | o00o00o: the 21 is EVERTHING debian contains, you only need one cd to install it |
| 16:07.19 | jelly | cberlo: of course |
| 16:07.21 | Ronin | and you use aptitude to get the rest off the net for example |
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| 16:07.50 | jelly | cberlo: now if only I could remember my domain password to try it here :-) |
| 16:08.22 | cberlo | LOL |
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| 16:11.50 | jelly | cberlo: there's something weird with the filter. With a simple ldapsearch -x -L -h server -D"user@domain" -x -W -b "dc=..." I get lots of output :-) |
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| 16:13.38 | cberlo | jelly: Okay, it is an odd filter; I normally just use "(samaccountname=finduser)" for the filter. I get lots of results, but not certain fields, and some fields are not formatted with their proper data (i.e. "l" give a seemingly random string, which should be the user location) |
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| 16:14.26 | AcidMaX | anyone here know if we bought a storage array if debian would be able to use raid6 |
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| 16:15.45 | Kartoffelsalat | i search an printer-1/2-user-friendly gui (or soemthing like a gui) für cups (gutenberg?) - no kde/xfce/gnome app - maybe via "html-gui", python or a "auto-detect-printers" would be cool. (i know, no good description, but i have no idea how to describe what i seearch) |
| 16:16.47 | jelly | cberlo: literal "finduser" string? when I do ldapsearch -x -L -h ... -D"..." -W -b "dc=..." -z 0 "(sAMAccountName=jelly)" ... it works. |
| 16:17.27 | cberlo | jelly: Okay, you get your user info, but do you get your homeDirectory? |
| 16:17.37 | jelly | cberlo: yup. |
| 16:17.42 | Kartoffelsalat | new version: i search a printer-gui (or something like a gui, e.g. using xdialog), but no xfce/kde/gnome application - i need support for «samba-printers» and so on |
| 16:17.56 | jelly | cberlo: homeDirectory: \\titan\users\Jelly |
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| 16:18.14 | cberlo | jelly: Okay, this is pretty weird! Maybe out LDAP server is out of whack here?? |
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| 16:18.37 | jae | Where've the tar info pages gone? |
| 16:18.39 | cberlo | jelly: What's your Active Directory controller running, and do you know if you have SFU? |
| 16:19.03 | jae | I can't seem to find them on my box (unstable, sort-of oldish (upgrades with a 56k modem are *not* fun)) |
| 16:19.22 | jelly | cberlo: I think the windows guys upgraded it to 2003 R2. Probably no SFU. |
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| 16:20.49 | cberlo | I'll have to check with the guys here... Maybe it's the version we're running or something. Or the way we've generated accounts. I notice any name with a space in it shows up as "berlo,\ Clay" (for example) in the samaccountname response, and the canonical name, etc. shows this kind of thing. |
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| 16:21.51 | jelly | cberlo: mmm, what if you dump the output to a file (-tt)? |
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| 16:22.04 | cberlo | jelly: Hey, didn't think of that... |
| 16:22.36 | cberlo | gotta go -- any ideas just drop em on me.. :) |
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| 16:23.38 | jelly | jae: lots of GNU documentation is not free enough for Debian, and has been split into separate packages and put in non-free. "tar-doc" |
| 16:24.28 | xFred_ | Hello; I've just upgraded sid (workstation)/etch ("server") boxes here, yet, it seems that NIS doesn't work for user authentication and password related stuff. Any clues ? |
| 16:24.53 | jelly | cberlo: space escaping in the output sounds to me like ldapsearch's thing, or maybe LDIF format. dunno. |
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| 16:25.10 | jae | jelly: I looked for another tar package (since I know about the GFDL mess), but both dlocate and apt-cache search came up empty |
| 16:25.23 | jae | jelly: thanks, btw |
| 16:25.35 | jelly | jae: you'll need to add non-free in sources.list if you haven't already doe that |
| 16:26.20 | jelly | jae --> append " contrib non-free" after main on your debian mirror and security.d.o lines |
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| 16:26.48 | jae | jelly: my first Debian install was in '96, so I do think I know my shit, thanks anyway :P |
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| 16:26.53 | okta | jelly: thanks big time for your help. i have manage to istall all the prequesites mentioned in the dsc and did a apt-get source 1st. i was then able to follow this terrific description wich allowed me compiling gd in with nearly no interaction. http://blog.madtech.cx/2006/12/08/debian-etch-libapache2-mod-php5-with-bundled-libgd-gdlib/. thanks again! |
| 16:27.24 | jelly | jae: dunno, apt-cache policy tar-doc shows it's available in stable. |
| 16:28.05 | jae | Try "apt-cache search tar info"... then notice that tar-doc does not mention "info" (I think I'll fire off a bugreport) |
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| 16:28.23 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.33 | giupy | wich package for glx_gears ? |
| 16:29.56 | jelly | !tell giupy -about glxgears |
| 16:29.59 | giupy | mesa-uitls |
| 16:30.04 | giupy | i suppose :) |
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| 16:30.24 | giupy | yep :) |
| 16:30.25 | giupy | thanks |
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| 16:34.22 | jelly | okta: nice |
| 16:34.34 | Shendar|beer | i have small question: what is debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso ? is there enough packages to use this system after install without internet? |
| 16:35.01 | Kartoffelsalat | can printconf handle samba-printers? and which package includes the printconf-gui? |
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| 16:35.47 | Kartoffelsalat | !printconf |
| 16:35.49 | Kartoffelsalat | hm :/ |
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| 16:36.52 | Kartoffelsalat | d'oh |
| 16:37.04 | Kartoffelsalat | sry for this numb question |
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| 16:43.42 | LLcoolM | *grmml* why do i have to install x11 for installing hylafax-server... |
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| 16:46.10 | Luzhin | Hello |
| 16:46.22 | Kartoffelsalat | hello |
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| 16:48.31 | Luzhin | Can I upgrade from 3.1 to etch using DVD with etch? |
| 16:49.13 | LLcoolM | Luzhin: yes |
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| 16:49.27 | LLcoolM | you will need to configure the cdrom to be your packet source. |
| 16:49.28 | Luzhin | How? |
| 16:49.51 | Luzhin | where does source.list situated? |
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| 16:49.56 | Wulf_ | apt-cdrom add |
| 16:49.56 | LLcoolM | an example for that should be in the config file already (though you will have to adjust it) |
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| 16:51.04 | Luzhin | LLcoolM in what config file? |
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| 16:52.14 | sarixe | where can i get vlc player? |
| 16:52.46 | LLcoolM | Luzhin: do what Wulf_ suggested. it does the same but faster :) |
| 16:52.48 | Luzhin | apt-get install vlc |
| 16:53.02 | sarixe | Luzhin : it's not showing up |
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| 16:53.21 | sarixe | Luzhin : also, i'm in lenny |
| 16:54.01 | sarixe | Luzhin : E: Package vlc has no installation candidate |
| 16:54.18 | LLcoolM | sarixe: debian-multimedia.org might be necessary |
| 16:54.25 | hark | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 16:54.25 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 16:54.26 | sarixe | LLcoolM : i have it |
| 16:54.26 | LLcoolM | as package source |
| 16:54.41 | sarixe | hark: thanks |
| 16:55.21 | Luzhin | irc.debian.org is more popular? |
| 16:55.23 | smyclops | guys i have a problem here |
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| 16:56.11 | xand | Luzhin: no it's less popular |
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| 16:56.20 | Luzhin | thx |
| 16:56.33 | Luzhin | does man apt-cdrom exist? |
| 16:56.43 | smyclops | i'm trying to install asterisk on my ubuntu machine |
| 16:56.49 | Madd_Matt | Luzhin, it works for me. |
| 16:56.54 | Ronin | smyclops: then your in the wrong channel |
| 16:57.05 | rans | Hi, my server needs to do ident lookups, but I think that somehow my server doesn't allow that kind of outgoing connection, I tested with "telnet my-ip 113" and the debian-server gives: "telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out", how can I check/edit/allow this outgoing connection? |
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| 16:57.36 | xand | rans: it's more likely blocked the other end |
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| 16:57.44 | rans | yes |
| 16:57.47 | rans | I think it is blocked |
| 16:57.57 | rans | however I'm not this experienced, could you give me a starting point on where to look ? |
| 16:58.10 | rans | no |
| 16:58.15 | rans | it isn't blocked the other end sorry |
| 16:58.16 | Luzhin | What is the name of SeaMonkey for Debian? |
| 16:58.32 | rans | because somebody else succesfully did an ident lookup |
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| 16:58.39 | LLcoolM | Luzhin: iceape afaik |
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| 16:58.43 | rans | (I misunderstood you xand) |
| 16:58.53 | xand | Luzhin: iceape |
| 16:59.04 | Luzhin | thanks )) |
| 16:59.28 | smyclops | so where can i get help on asterisk |
| 16:59.38 | Braindead | #asterisk perhaps |
| 16:59.45 | Ronin | smyclops: id start with your channels distro as well #ubuntu |
| 16:59.49 | RBRIDDICK | hi! i tried to use "aptitude" in order to install "ivtv-modules...", but it didnt show up... how can i get the full list of available packages in aptitude? |
| 17:00.13 | smyclops | ok thanks |
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| 17:01.00 | dooglus | Every time I boot, fsck runs, detects last superblock write in the future, reboots, and repeats forever. How can I fix this? |
| 17:01.24 | Luzhin | where does LILO situated ? |
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| 17:01.39 | Luzhin | configs |
| 17:02.17 | cj | Luzhin: use grub |
| 17:02.19 | cj | /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 17:02.29 | cj | but really, use grub |
| 17:02.31 | Luzhin | thx) I will use GRub |
| 17:02.38 | Luzhin | thx2 all |
| 17:02.42 | Luzhin | bye |
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| 17:02.51 | Luzhin | :) |
| 17:02.54 | cj | :) |
| 17:02.59 | DustyDingo | hi |
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| 17:03.36 | DustyDingo | i am searching for a bittorent, client, which runs on a server and can be controlled by several clients |
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| 17:04.28 | zicho | DustyDingo: I've been looking for that, but found none. If you happen to find one, would you please tell me? |
| 17:04.29 | DustyDingo | i know, that there is a webinterface for bittornado, but i don't want to run a lamp environment |
| 17:05.26 | Braindead | torrentflux? |
| 17:05.46 | DustyDingo | zicho: i could use bittornado and nfs, but that qouldn't give much controll |
| 17:05.51 | DustyDingo | Braindead: yes |
| 17:06.50 | zicho | DustyDingo: Do you know what music player daemon (mpd) is |
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| 17:09.42 | zooted_ | Would someone please give me a pointer to the docs that explain how to shut off apt's request for an install disk so that only network sources are used when new packages are installed? |
| 17:10.05 | hark | edit your sources.list |
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| 17:11.01 | zooted_ | hark: thank you |
| 17:11.40 | DustyDingo | hm, i could create a public shared nfs directory, let btlaunchmany.bittornado listen on it, and write a filtered output to a file within this directory |
| 17:12.13 | Braindead | DustyDingo: rtorrent FTW |
| 17:12.22 | RBRIDDICK | aptitude? |
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| 17:12.41 | DustyDingo | that qould give the user information about the current state of downloads, and controll over starting/cancelling |
| 17:12.46 | Nazcafan_ | hello |
| 17:12.53 | Nazcafan_ | jelly: are you here ? |
| 17:12.58 | jelly | no |
| 17:13.11 | Nazcafan_ | jelly: I got home so I can test my debian box |
| 17:13.20 | Nazcafan_ | err |
| 17:13.23 | Nazcafan_ | I lost my keys |
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| 17:13.36 | linuxtk11 | hey |
| 17:13.54 | linuxtk11 | i am installing a application but it uses it own install which uses yum |
| 17:13.59 | linuxtk11 | is that ok to do ? |
| 17:14.14 | Braindead | linuxtk11: I doubt it. which application anyway? |
| 17:14.18 | jelly | linuxtk11: doesn't sounds very debianish |
| 17:14.36 | Nazcafan_ | linuxtk11: you can try to allienize, it ... |
| 17:15.17 | Nazcafan_ | jelly, seems you where absolutely right : here is the corresponding line of /proc/mounts/dev/sda1 /media/UDISK\0402.0 vfat rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1 0 0 |
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| 17:15.35 | linuxtk10 | about my qustion |
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| 17:16.28 | Nazcafan | now how to tell gnome-mount to use a correct charset |
| 17:16.28 | Nazcafan | ? |
| 17:16.41 | jelly | Nazcafan: the symptoms matched. Now you "just" need to figure out that. :-) |
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| 17:17.18 | Braindead | linuxtk10: I doubt it. which application anyway? |
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| 17:18.21 | Nazcafan | jelly: I wonder which layer handles that ... |
| 17:18.36 | Nazcafan | I'll go ask on hal |
| 17:18.52 | linuxtk10 | Braindead: doubt what ? :P |
| 17:19.00 | Braindead | linuxtk10: 19:13 < linuxtk11> is that ok to do ? |
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| 17:19.36 | linuxtk10 | Braindead: i am trying to instal an app its really been packages for per say RHEL line of things |
| 17:19.53 | linuxtk10 | they use yum in thier installer |
| 17:20.06 | Braindead | linuxtk10: does that application also has a NAME? |
| 17:20.12 | linuxtk10 | i know i cna install yum here on debian i am jus curious how much of a trouble this thing will be to get to work hmmm |
| 17:20.19 | linuxtk10 | HyperVM |
| 17:20.52 | dondelelcaro | ugh. Don't use yum on Debian. |
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| 17:21.02 | linuxtk10 | yea i know :( |
| 17:21.05 | linuxtk10 | but i really need this app |
| 17:21.12 | linuxtk10 | and im not doing the centos/ rhel route |
| 17:21.23 | dondelelcaro | linuxtk10: so get whoever it is that distributes it to do so in a sane manner. |
| 17:21.32 | Braindead | and alien is not an option? |
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| 17:22.04 | linuxtk10 | dondelelcaro: not gonna happen and i really need this |
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| 17:22.14 | Madd_Matt | linuxtk10, as Braindead just mentioned, you can use alien. Get the RPM file and use alien to convert it to a deb file, then install. |
| 17:22.23 | xerophyte | does anybody know what kind of software can i use to import songs into ipod |
| 17:22.27 | linuxtk10 | alien ? |
| 17:22.32 | linuxtk10 | i thought he was joking |
| 17:22.44 | Madd_Matt | linuxtk10, `alien --to-deb file.rpm` |
| 17:22.54 | Madd_Matt | then dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 17:23.01 | jelly | then pray. |
| 17:23.02 | milkcan | CAN SOMEONE HELP ME TO VANDALIZE WIKIPEDIA |
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| 17:23.11 | linuxtk10 | jelly: lol |
| 17:23.21 | jelly | !ops milkcan trolling |
| 17:23.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: milkcan trolling |
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| 17:23.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@host-212-149-246-119.kpylaajakaista.net] by azeem |
| 17:23.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 17:23.30 | azeem | milkcan: no |
| 17:23.37 | Madd_Matt | milkcan, Start by cutting your internet wire. It'll make it even more vandalized! |
| 17:23.45 | jelly | thanks, azeem |
| 17:23.45 | Nazcafan | are all gnome-related channels dead ? |
| 17:23.55 | azeem | Nazcafan: no |
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| 17:24.06 | azeem | Nazcafan: don't expect an answer on IRC in a couple of minutes |
| 17:24.12 | azeem | Nazcafan: wait 2-3 hours |
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| 17:24.22 | Nazcafan | azeem: oh, not very active, is it ? |
| 17:24.27 | azeem | right |
| 17:24.32 | linuxtk10 | it gets better their installer is a SH file |
| 17:24.38 | linuxtk10 | and it uses yum to download stuff |
| 17:24.49 | Nazcafan | I really don't know in which bloody layer to dig |
| 17:25.02 | azeem | Nazcafan: you could also mail debian-gtk-gnome |
| 17:25.08 | Nazcafan | ohhh |
| 17:25.09 | azeem | but I'd just wait a bit |
| 17:25.11 | jelly | linuxtk10: with an app like that, I'd go with the supported OS underneath |
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| 17:25.12 | Nazcafan | I got an answer |
| 17:25.32 | linuxtk10 | jelly: thats centos |
| 17:25.53 | azeem | centos is off-topic here |
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| 17:26.06 | linuxtk10 | i was replyuing to a question |
| 17:26.15 | linuxtk10 | statement sorry |
| 17:27.05 | linuxtk10 | if i installed yum on debian and just used the sh script do you think that might work ? :P |
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| 17:27.34 | d0uglas | i installed the nvidia fb module in modconf and my screens are all crazy.. what can i type to disable it? |
| 17:27.56 | jelly | linuxtk10: it might. It might also hose your system. Who knows? |
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| 17:28.15 | cberlo | jelly: I'm back (and I've been using wireshark to see what kinds of info I'm getting back). Also tried the -tt option to see what I get there.... No evidence I'm being returned the homeDirectory info. |
| 17:28.25 | linuxtk10 | jelly: i would go all that far to say that |
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| 17:31.25 | slapfaceware | will pci ati video card be slow?it's 64mb radeon 7000 |
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| 17:33.11 | linuxtk10 | well its gonna be a fun day |
| 17:33.16 | d0uglas | what's a command i can hit to disable/remove nvidia framebuffer? my screens are whack, jack! |
| 17:33.17 | adv3cate | yes, yes it is |
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| 17:38.48 | juso | If I wanted a script to always be running, so if it dies its started again, how would I do this? |
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| 17:39.25 | adv3cate | juso: a shell script? |
| 17:39.32 | juso | yes |
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| 17:40.23 | adv3cate | juso: I'm not initimately familiar with the functionality available when backgrounding shell processes so, in my incomplete understanding, you'd need one shell script to be the script, and another to watch the ps list and ensure that it's still there. |
| 17:40.37 | adv3cate | which would require two shells. |
| 17:40.56 | juso | respawn in the inittab, would do this no? |
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| 17:41.20 | adv3cate | juso: that works too, assuming you want to take it to that level. |
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| 17:41.31 | juso | ahh.. |
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| 17:41.53 | solid_liq | do I really only need what's contained in that 5.4MB netboot file to pxe boot a machine? |
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| 17:42.13 | solid_liq | the docs don't say anything about putting more stuff anywhere |
| 17:42.25 | Aidy | hi i installed xserver-xorg but it says fatal server error no valid FontPath found when i try to start an x server |
| 17:42.46 | solid_liq | Aidy: install the fonts heh |
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| 17:43.20 | Aidy | solid_liq: okay but what packages are those |
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| 17:43.47 | solid_liq | Aidy: apt-cache search is your friend ;) |
| 17:44.45 | hark | Aidy: install xorg |
| 17:44.48 | Aidy | solid_liq: nah, i know what to do, install xorg |
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| 17:44.50 | Aidy | yeh :D |
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| 17:47.23 | blackgoth | Question: why is my upload bandwith capped if i use my debian based router, but when i connect my pc to the modem directly, it works perfect |
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| 17:48.52 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: what do you mean by capped. |
| 17:49.00 | LLcoolM | and it depends a great deal on the hardware. |
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| 17:54.51 | Aidy | 'nother question how do I install the nvidia graphics driver driver |
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| 17:58.05 | blackgoth | LLcoolM: capped as in, im missing 100KB/s up |
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| 17:58.53 | blackgoth | and it's a P3 1000mhz with 512MB mem, mate's soekris 266mhz with openbsd did pull 180Mb/s |
| 17:58.57 | blackgoth | *KB |
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| 17:59.26 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: probably an mtu problem |
| 17:59.34 | LLcoolM | what kind of connection is it? |
| 17:59.44 | blackgoth | cable |
| 17:59.53 | blackgoth | 8/1.5Mbit |
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| 18:00.37 | drbair_work | does anyone know if the etch kernel is compiled with ldm support? |
| 18:00.45 | LLcoolM | paste the output of ifconfig $wan_device somewhere. |
| 18:01.14 | blackgoth | sec |
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| 18:01.32 | blackgoth | http://pastebin.geekshangout.org/86/ |
| 18:01.48 | blackgoth | mtu is 1500 now |
| 18:02.12 | blackgoth | with my old router i had to put it on 1300. might try that |
| 18:02.31 | Javi | Hey, I am new at linux, installed edebian 4.o etch but dont recongineze my 16 bit ethernet, repotec 1621 (um9007 af chip), somebody have a clue? |
| 18:02.33 | LLcoolM | depends on what your provider does with the traffic. try mtu 1300 |
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| 18:03.27 | LLcoolM | Javi: you need to configure io and irq or at least use isapnp |
| 18:03.36 | blackgoth | no diff LLcoolM |
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| 18:04.00 | Javi | LLcoolMÑdetails plase, complete lamer hre |
| 18:04.19 | LLcoolM | Javi: no, because it is basics, rtfm |
| 18:05.03 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: i assume you did bring the interface down before you made the change |
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| 18:06.02 | blackgoth | lol, LLcoolM nope |
| 18:06.07 | blackgoth | ill try that in a sec |
| 18:06.32 | blackgoth | i thought ifconfig eth0 mtu 1300 would be enough |
| 18:06.45 | LLcoolM | jelly: i would call that legacy work.. |
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| 18:10.23 | cberlo | Maybe a dumb question, but how would I allow any user to be able to mount a remote SMB/CIFS share? |
| 18:10.32 | blackgoth | well, i tried that LLcoolM, still :) |
| 18:11.02 | LLcoolM | cberlo: allow user guest access to the share. |
| 18:11.05 | Kevin` | cberlo if you have it in fstab, add the user option (see man fstab/mount) |
| 18:11.37 | Kevin` | cberlo unless you mean allow anyone to mount an cifs share on your computer from a remote computer |
| 18:11.37 | Kevin` | ? |
| 18:11.38 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: are you using some kind of QoS? |
| 18:11.42 | cberlo | Could be any random share, I just what them to be able to use "mount -t cifs //server/share /my/mount/point" kind of syntax |
| 18:12.03 | blackgoth | LLcoolM: i used to, but stopped when i noticed the upload problem |
| 18:12.07 | Aidy | i'm having trouble installing the nvidia drivers on debby |
| 18:12.16 | Aidy | and i've got contrib and non-free enabled |
| 18:12.41 | jelly | LLcoolM: that is much more appropriate |
| 18:12.43 | LLcoolM | cberlo: like this in fstab: //sv-mdc/d$ /mnt/mdc-d smbfs username=xxx,password=yyy defaults 0 0 |
| 18:13.25 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: are you sure it is stopped completely? |
| 18:13.32 | cberlo | LLcoolM: No, that won't work. each individual user needs to be able to mount their own home directory on a Windows server. |
| 18:13.39 | blackgoth | i have restarted my firewall multiple times |
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| 18:14.12 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: qos and firewall are not the same |
| 18:14.22 | blackgoth | qos was in my firewall :) |
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| 18:14.58 | blackgoth | my firewall was based on http://lartc.org LLcoolM |
| 18:15.42 | LLcoolM | i have noticed that with recent kernels using classful limitations with restricting down or upstream to a lower value than you actually have results in decrease of bandwidth |
| 18:15.51 | jelly | cberlo: libpam-mount? |
| 18:16.04 | cberlo | If I set mount.cifs setuid, that should work, shouldn't it? |
| 18:16.38 | blackgoth | LLcoolM: im not using a QoS based firewall at this moment |
| 18:16.41 | cberlo | jelly: Heck no! :) With our structure, I need to figure out who's logging in before I know which server they *may* have their share on. libpam-mount just isn't scriptable enough... |
| 18:17.36 | jelly | cberlo: at least it seems you're past the "can't even find out their home dir" point... |
| 18:17.55 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: what does tc qdisc show dev eth0 show? |
| 18:18.25 | blackgoth | qdisc htb 1: r2q 10 default 14 direct_packets_stat 1 |
| 18:18.25 | blackgoth | qdisc sfq 110: parent 1:10 limit 128p quantum 1514b perturb 10sec |
| 18:18.25 | blackgoth | qdisc sfq 120: parent 1:11 limit 128p quantum 1514b perturb 10sec |
| 18:18.25 | blackgoth | qdisc sfq 130: parent 1:12 limit 128p quantum 1514b perturb 10sec |
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| 18:18.40 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: so your qos is still in place... |
| 18:18.47 | blackgoth | oops |
| 18:18.50 | blackgoth | how the heck |
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| 18:19.01 | cberlo | jelly: Well, rather than get the info out of LDAP, I'm doing a couple of queries that do work and guessing which server holds the share. Workaround, but I'm out of time here. I'll fix it later if I can. Need to have this working for Monday. |
| 18:19.02 | LLcoolM | wait a second i tell you how to remove those qdiscs |
| 18:19.12 | blackgoth | thanks LLcoolM |
| 18:19.16 | Hoxzer | aargh |
| 18:19.36 | LLcoolM | tc qdisc del dev root |
| 18:19.39 | LLcoolM | tc qdisc del dev ingress |
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| 18:19.51 | LLcoolM | uhm, you should add the device |
| 18:19.58 | LLcoolM | tc qdisc del dev eth0 root |
| 18:20.04 | blackgoth | thought so :p |
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| 18:21.16 | blackgoth | thats more like it! |
| 18:21.21 | blackgoth | 146KB/s up |
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| 18:21.45 | blackgoth | thanks LLcoolM :D |
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| 18:21.49 | LLcoolM | if it works now, you have the same problem like i do. you can work around it by simply not restricting the upper limit! |
| 18:22.00 | JordiGH | How do you resynchronise the system time with the hardware clock? |
| 18:22.07 | blackgoth | okay, so no upper limit will do the trick? |
| 18:22.24 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: did for me (i am using hfsc, but should work for htb too)= |
| 18:22.26 | jelly | JordiGH: hwclock --hctosys |
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| 18:22.42 | blackgoth | okay, ill try LLcoolM :) |
| 18:22.58 | jelly | JordiGH: or --systohc, depending on what you want to do |
| 18:23.09 | JordiGH | jelly: Got it, it was the first. |
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| 18:23.11 | cberlo | If I have mount.cifs setuid, does mount need to be setuid as well? |
| 18:23.23 | JordiGH | jelly: Weird. That blanked X for a couple of seconds. But it worked. :-) |
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| 18:23.51 | jelly | JordiGH: "5 minutes passed? we must enable the screensaver" |
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| 18:24.15 | JordiGH | jelly: Ah, of course. |
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| 18:30.19 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: try asking in #iptables or maybe #lartc why this problem occurs. i have a reason why this problem occurs, what i do not understand is why it worked in the past. |
| 18:30.49 | cberlo | Is there any chance I'd have to reboot to make the setuid on mount, mount.cifs and umount.cifs take effect? This is just getting weird here... |
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| 18:32.18 | blackgoth | LLcoolM: it used to work for me too |
| 18:32.49 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: yes, but tcp congestion implicates a rate drop in case of packet loss. |
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| 18:33.05 | LLcoolM | so its logical the rate drops, goes up and drops again. |
| 18:33.48 | LLcoolM | the drop-back after packet loss is quite hard, so i understand why rate goes down. but i do not know why it worked in the past as the problem should have applied there as well. |
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| 18:36.02 | Kaiten4 | gooooooood morning debianites |
| 18:36.23 | abrotman | you're in tampa |
| 18:36.29 | abrotman | it's not morning |
| 18:37.06 | Kaiten4 | don't expect me to know what I'm talking about |
| 18:37.25 | abrotman | you should at least be capable of gauging the level of sunshine and time of day |
| 18:37.41 | Kaiten4 | and in a hypothetical situation where I'm using a proxy would you know? |
| 18:37.48 | Kaiten4 | how would* |
| 18:38.31 | Kaiten4 | It's morning to me... school lets out... life begins... |
| 18:38.32 | abrotman | it'd be in your hostmask |
| 18:38.38 | Kaiten4 | in a debian chatroom |
| 18:38.43 | Kaiten4 | interesting |
| 18:39.05 | Kaiten4 | what if I'm sshed to a machine with irc? |
| 18:39.27 | abrotman | you'd still know what time it was |
| 18:39.34 | blackgoth | LLcoolM: kernel 2.6 is just badly coded |
| 18:39.40 | kazanaki | ! |
| 18:39.56 | abrotman | blackgoth: get used to it :) |
| 18:39.56 | Kaiten4 | but you wouldn't be able to postively say that you know my time |
| 18:40.10 | blackgoth | abrotman: im used to it by now :) |
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| 18:40.24 | abrotman | Kaiten4: it's also not morning to everyone you greeted .. feel better now? |
| 18:40.25 | xjkx | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.40 | abrotman | xjkx: ask #iptables |
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| 18:41.41 | Kaiten4 | Ok, listen, by subtle suggestion, I just infected all of your minds with that statement. |
| 18:42.08 | Kaiten4 | except abrotman he's alert |
| 18:42.22 | Kaiten4 | /exist |
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| 18:42.31 | simonrvn | Kaiten4: yeh, by provoking some of us here to *plonk* you |
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| 18:42.41 | Kaiten4 | plonk |
| 18:42.43 | Kaiten4 | what a funny |
| 18:42.48 | Kaiten4 | funny... |
| 18:42.57 | abrotman | is everyone in tampa like this? |
| 18:42.57 | Kaiten4 | oh fake emotions! |
| 18:43.06 | Kaiten4 | I'm not in tampa, my isp is. |
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| 18:45.03 | jelly | !win abrotman |
| 18:45.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 18:45.13 | ShakaGoldSaint | how can i find out the dns address obtained from dhcp of a certain network interface? |
| 18:45.18 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
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| 18:45.25 | abrotman | or the ip of the dns server ? |
| 18:46.47 | zedboy | I'm feeling a little stupid here, but why is 'rsync /binyamin /backup' (where /binyamin is network-mounted, smbfs, and /backup is local) tell me "skipping directory /binyamin" and do nothing?! |
| 18:47.41 | ShakaGoldSaint | abrotman, yep |
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| 18:48.49 | abrotman | yep which ? |
| 18:49.03 | ShakaGoldSaint | i need to know the ip of the dns server |
| 18:49.44 | abrotman | might be a log in /var/log/ .. or maybe check the dhclient man page |
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| 18:52.39 | dondelelcaro | ShakaGoldSaint: it's /var/lib/dhcp*/; but you shouldn't be using that information |
| 18:52.58 | ShakaGoldSaint | dondelelcaro, why? |
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| 18:55.57 | logd | hi, there's a tool for linux to read motorola phone memory (p2k)? |
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| 18:56.56 | cuetara | Hello. I downloaded through the jigdo program the CD-1 of debian. Jigdo checked the md5 sum and then I burned the cd at slow speed. It was supposely to be created a good cd and when I tried to install the system, all went nice except the part of the base-system that said that the cd was corrupted and couldn't download from the cd the package coreutils-(version). Anyone knows why? Thanks in advance. |
| 18:57.49 | logd | <cuetara>for u to burn at a low speed doesn't mean 100% burning ok |
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| 18:58.55 | cuetara | logd then the reason the installation failed is 100% sure provoked by a bad burning of the cd? |
| 18:58.56 | logd | and btw why need for jigdo? |
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| 18:59.00 | cuetara | (sorry for my english) |
| 18:59.05 | logd | i guess so |
| 18:59.10 | logd | u can even test it |
| 18:59.12 | cuetara | logd for download the iso image |
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| 18:59.21 | logd | do a md5sum of the cd: md5sum /dev/cdromdevice |
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| 18:59.30 | logd | and compare |
| 18:59.33 | dareth | Quick question on boot devices. |
| 18:59.36 | cuetara | i'm on win in this cd |
| 18:59.40 | dareth | I had a working Linux box, Debian Etch. |
| 18:59.41 | cuetara | in this computer |
| 18:59.42 | cuetara | i mean |
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| 18:59.47 | dareth | I was trying dd to clone disk. |
| 18:59.51 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 18:59.58 | randomgay | hi I'm installing lenny on my laptop atm. I'm not quite sure which encryption algorithm and how many bits should be ok. I don't want it to slow down that much :-/ any suggestions? |
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| 19:00.14 | randomgay | dm_crypt btw |
| 19:00.24 | randomgay | whole disk |
| 19:00.29 | dareth | I moved my second disk to the 2nd IDE channel, and since then, I can't get the primary disk to boot. |
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| 19:00.43 | dareth | I unplugged the 2nd disk, but still nothing... |
| 19:00.47 | Muuh | http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9139 |
| 19:01.01 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:01.01 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:01.07 | abrotman | Muuh: go away |
| 19:01.16 | Muuh | adresu:http://www.bsd.org.yu |
| 19:01.20 | dareth | Reran Debian install, completely wiped disk, resintalled base system and grub... system still won't boot. |
| 19:01.30 | logd | <dareth>dd cloned full disk or /dev/sda1 for exmaple (only partition) |
| 19:01.31 | logd | ? |
| 19:01.42 | abrotman | Muuh: please go away .. stop spamming us |
| 19:01.44 | dareth | whole disk |
| 19:02.03 | dareth | dd dev/hda to dev/hdb |
| 19:02.19 | dareth | stopped it after an hour, to move 2nd disk to another IDE channel, hoping to speed it up. |
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| 19:03.11 | dareth | my disk are recognized in BIOS, and installer finds both, easy to partition and install to them... just won't boot. |
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| 19:03.39 | dareth | Bios is set to boot to HD, then CD... pauses and then boots CD or if no CD in Disk Boot Failure. |
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| 19:04.05 | logd | dareth, ok just a little question: what u mean for won't boot : does it reach lilo/grub ? |
| 19:04.19 | dareth | no... gets to where it picks boot device, then stops |
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| 19:04.23 | logd | ar, typed too slow |
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| 19:04.33 | logd | that's 100% wronge mbr |
| 19:04.50 | dareth | I can get into rescue mode, how do I rewrite MBR? |
| 19:04.55 | ]pablo[ | hi, does anyone here use fvwm? |
| 19:05.15 | logd | dareth>how do u get to rescue mode? |
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| 19:05.21 | logd | mean a boot cd ? |
| 19:05.30 | dareth | I have a linux etch install disk, rescue boot option |
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| 19:05.39 | dareth | Can mount partitions,etc,... get a shell... |
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| 19:05.50 | dareth | I reinstalled everything, just won't boot off primary partition |
| 19:05.52 | logd | ok |
| 19:06.00 | logd | i guess u could use grub install |
| 19:06.13 | dareth | I tried that, but can try it again. |
| 19:06.27 | dareth | I should be point it to my / partition |
| 19:06.39 | logd | can't chroot ? |
| 19:06.42 | dareth | I have a swap first, then fair sized / partition, then home. |
| 19:07.40 | dareth | should any of my partition have a boot flag? |
| 19:07.57 | logd | yes |
| 19:08.02 | logd | bu that doesn't affect bios |
| 19:08.09 | logd | ie. if pc screams at startup |
| 19:08.13 | logd | it's missing mbr |
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| 19:08.17 | logd | nt any linux stuff |
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| 19:08.48 | logd | btw as temporary solution u could make a boot cd that loads your system |
| 19:09.02 | logd | let's say it will qork like an "alternate mbr" |
| 19:09.03 | abrotman | !grub floppy |
| 19:09.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub floppy image is ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/ |
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| 19:09.18 | logd | ;) |
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| 19:10.41 | dareth | When I run the install, the last step is to install Grub to main MBR, is that not enough to boot system on its own? |
| 19:11.08 | logd | if you mean install grub from debian install cd ? |
| 19:11.13 | dareth | yes,, |
| 19:11.21 | logd | never tried ;) |
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| 19:11.24 | dareth | tried rerunning install completely, removed all partitions etc. |
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| 19:11.34 | dareth | System just won't boot now. |
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| 19:11.42 | waspius | hi can someone explain this to me? http://pastebin.com/m5566eae9 |
| 19:12.17 | logd | ok let me understand u still need to recover backed files ? or perfom a clean inst ? |
| 19:12.22 | dareth | clean install... |
| 19:12.32 | logd | de dd with zero full hd |
| 19:12.33 | dareth | this is a test system... was seeing how easy I could clone drives. |
| 19:12.39 | logd | and u'll get a brand new one |
| 19:13.04 | logd | dd /dev/zero /dev/hdX would low-level format it and make clean |
| 19:13.15 | logd | that any other inst. MUST work like a charm |
| 19:13.38 | dareth | I have reinstalled everything, used cfdisk to remove all partitions, and partition table. |
| 19:13.56 | logd | excuse me but i'm gettting lost |
| 19:13.57 | dareth | Wrote that to drive, then made new partition table, and install ran thru all steps, installed grub, then wouldn't boot. |
| 19:13.57 | logd | ;) |
| 19:14.39 | dareth | it doesn't see HD as a boot device, checked BIOS settings, HD is first boot,then CD |
| 19:15.11 | m3thos | how do I defrag a ext3 partition? |
| 19:15.18 | logd | pls listen me or i will only get lost |
| 19:15.29 | dareth | sure thing logd |
| 19:15.41 | logd | u wanna discard cloned image and just clean&install a new one? |
| 19:15.50 | dareth | drive is pair, nothing on it. |
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| 19:15.59 | logd | practically just make that hd reusable ? |
| 19:16.04 | dareth | yes |
| 19:16.24 | |dennis| | are there syncing problems with the different repositories with the new release of etch? |
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| 19:16.27 | logd | than i'm 100% sure wion't even neeed for fdisk or other stuff |
| 19:16.27 | lgc | Hello. Does anyone know how to output to a projector through xrandr 1.1? |
| 19:16.34 | Ranpha1 | help i install testing with encryption suddenly grubd acts up and now it can't find my crypted_volume. it seems that /dev/sda is now /dev/sdb. Where can i change this? |
| 19:16.39 | logd | just do a dd /dev/zero /dev/hdX |
| 19:16.50 | logd | it will be emptied and tunerd blank like a paper |
| 19:17.00 | logd | than i'm100% sure no install will fail |
| 19:17.10 | logd | regardless it's linux,windows or macs x |
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| 19:17.34 | dareth | how long will that take? |
| 19:17.41 | logd | depends on hd speed |
| 19:17.52 | logd | mine does 10mb/s on average |
| 19:18.01 | logd | but it's usb |
| 19:18.06 | logd | and 5400rmp |
| 19:18.18 | logd | othe r cand do much more |
| 19:18.44 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does vino-server started asking me access to the default keyring? is somebody trying to connect to my computer via vnc? |
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| 19:19.58 | dareth | mine running now |
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| 19:20.58 | dareth | thanks logd |
| 19:21.38 | logd | <dareth>just to know, i always prefer full clean but any clean would work ie u can stop it after 10minutes and it shouldbe fine enough or tell dd how much to write ;) |
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| 19:21.51 | cberlo | jelly: Want to know what the issue was? |
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| 19:21.58 | abrotman | |dennis|: there are always sync problems |
| 19:22.02 | jelly | cberlo: shoot |
| 19:22.09 | ampex | How would I go about making a 32-bit kernel image .deb under amd64 debian? |
| 19:22.09 | cberlo | jelly: 64-bit |
| 19:22.17 | jelly | cbr: oh ffs? |
| 19:22.28 | jelly | cberlo, even |
| 19:22.32 | m3thos | how do I do something like "emerge search app_name" ? apt-get search app_name doesn't work |
| 19:22.32 | cberlo | jelly: Windows Server 2003 64-fscking-bit is worthless for ldap queries |
| 19:22.43 | LLcoolM | blackgoth: i wasnt refering to 2.6 but more like 2.6 > 2.6.14 (where it definately worked - probably in later revisions as well) |
| 19:22.47 | |dennis| | abrotman: hehe...thanks...just been having problems doing an apt-get update over the last few days.....looks like its the security repository though..hmm..not sure.. |
| 19:22.57 | hardcampa_ | m3thos: it's apt-cache search blah |
| 19:23.02 | cberlo | jelly: I was pointed to an older 32-bit server and it worked instantly. |
| 19:23.12 | Braindead | m3thos: aptitude search foo |
| 19:23.18 | hardcampa_ | or that |
| 19:23.18 | Braindead | m3thos: see aptitude-doc |
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| 19:23.40 | jelly | cberlo: that's... well, I guess even Microsoft has bugs. :-) |
| 19:23.40 | lgc | Hello. Does anyone know how to output to a projector through xrandr 1.1? Anyone? |
| 19:23.58 | cberlo | Now, a quick (hopefully!) question: is there an easy way to run a script when a user logs off, regardless of how they logged in? |
| 19:24.21 | abrotman | |dennis|: tis possibly |
| 19:24.22 | Ranpha1 | How can I change the boot so that it point to the right encrypted_volume? |
| 19:24.23 | abrotman | possible |
| 19:24.26 | Braindead | cberlo: .bash_logout ? |
| 19:24.49 | abrotman | does'nt that only work for interactive shells ? |
| 19:24.52 | cberlo | Braindead: Will that run if I login through gdm, or if my default shell isn't bash? |
| 19:25.17 | Braindead | there's no "universal" way |
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| 19:25.37 | dareth | logd I can stop this thing after a short time eh? |
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| 19:25.42 | Braindead | .logout can me more "widespread" |
| 19:25.44 | Braindead | can be |
| 19:25.48 | cberlo | Braindead: I can accept that. Is there a known way that should work with gdm/ldm? |
| 19:26.08 | logd | <dareth>i mean it "can" be enough but u'll be 100% sure only if u let it complete |
| 19:26.32 | logd | btw u can get an idea on how much it will take by stoppng it early ant looking at speed shown |
| 19:26.37 | Braindead | cberlo: gdm should have its ".bash_login" I'm pretty sure of that. not so sure about the "logout" part |
| 19:26.46 | dareth | cool nuff, it is a 500 gig drive. |
| 19:27.21 | dareth | Sigh, it you are never uncomfortable with what you are doing, then you probably aren't learning much of anything. |
| 19:27.41 | logd | ie if it says it's writing at 10mb/s it will take 14 hours |
| 19:27.53 | abrotman | why would gdm use .bash_login ? |
| 19:28.01 | logd | so u can take advantage of this info |
| 19:28.11 | dareth | It running at 21 MB/s it did 10 GIG |
| 19:28.15 | dareth | I try install again |
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| 19:28.31 | Braindead | cberlo: it's called "PostSession" |
| 19:28.41 | logd | k ;) at 21mb/s it would take 5-6h |
| 19:28.43 | logd | ;) |
| 19:28.55 | cberlo | Braindead: Okay, that one looks like it might work. Now I need to find same for ldm. (basically ssh connection) |
| 19:29.04 | xjkx | you think if I add a rule to type of service telling iptables to priorize the traffic output on port 80 I'd open websites faster? |
| 19:29.08 | dareth | if this install doesn't work, I will just run it overnight. |
| 19:29.14 | jelly | teehee, my vmware xp and my virtualbox xp have clashing ip addresses. Which one will win? |
| 19:29.17 | logd | yeah ;) |
| 19:29.20 | dareth | Glad I tried this on separate test, not my normal testbox. |
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| 19:30.36 | logd | i hope those boxes are pico-itx based or u may have a warehouse to hold'em ;) |
| 19:30.46 | abrotman | xjkx: ask #iptables |
| 19:31.09 | abrotman | jelly: they'll just keep swapping! |
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| 19:31.42 | jelly | abrotman: they both complain! ... which is better than would a Debian would do |
| 19:31.43 | Dogg | http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9128 |
| 19:32.00 | dareth | what channel is for work discussions.. |
| 19:32.56 | dareth | well, getting lots of practice installing Debian etch... have to say GUI install sucks... |
| 19:33.31 | dareth | to be more polite, and precise. It is not as straight forward as the text install. |
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| 19:35.15 | dareth | Hmm. seems to be about a meg more space on the drive after writing 0's to it. |
| 19:35.30 | logd | without partion's that's true |
| 19:35.31 | logd | ;) |
| 19:35.55 | logd | if u look at a fresh unformatted disk it's always like this |
| 19:35.56 | dareth | I mean while splitting drive, last partition is saying 400 meg, like first install not 399 |
| 19:36.19 | xjkx | abrotman: few ppl there :< |
| 19:36.25 | dondelelcaro | probably a rounding issue |
| 19:36.29 | abrotman | there are 85 people there |
| 19:36.41 | abrotman | xjkx: and they should know more than we do |
| 19:37.06 | dareth | if you write all 0's to a drive, is that a good enough way to clean one before giving it away? |
| 19:37.07 | jelly | abrotman: and they're all 12 hours away from you, no matter what tz you're in |
| 19:37.27 | xjkx | But I asked there also :D about an hour ago |
| 19:37.28 | logd | <dareth>when u throw away completely a partition table and related stuff u get the space reserved for fdisk doesn't free that space |
| 19:37.29 | abrotman | jelly: you're 8 from me! |
| 19:37.34 | jelly | abrotman: what's worse, simonrvn has op |
| 19:37.34 | abrotman | roughly |
| 19:38.07 | dareth | I mean if I run dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
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| 19:38.16 | logd | that's why u get the difference, mean when u look at a clean unformatted disk - like a frersh one or just any with first 10mb set a 0 it will look bigger, cause u will see it's full capacity |
| 19:38.25 | dareth | Anyway short of pro data recovery get data back? |
| 19:38.34 | dareth | Yes I follow that. |
| 19:38.48 | dareth | i am asking if writing all zeros make it hard to recover old data... |
| 19:38.48 | logd | when it has a part table even' if it's broken aìout u'll always see it's capacity-part size |
| 19:38.55 | jelly | dareth, as good as any. No standard software tool will be able to recover data |
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| 19:39.26 | dareth | cool... I like to clean old drives before I give them to our various IT/devs... |
| 19:39.40 | logd | and probabily none at all if writing does its job or u repeat more than once |
| 19:40.04 | dareth | write 1 some passes, 0's next eh |
| 19:40.15 | logd | ;) |
| 19:40.46 | logd | dareth>u can add more fun by using /dev/random instead of /dev/zero |
| 19:40.51 | logd | it will fill with rnd chars |
| 19:40.54 | dareth | thanks |
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| 19:42.04 | dareth | is there anyway to speed up dd command if most of space is empty? |
| 19:42.25 | logd | if it's a block yes |
| 19:43.11 | logd | but mean if 400 gigs over 500 are clean u can clean firt 100 only |
| 19:43.12 | Makalolo | does anyone recomend a good video editor? tried Kino... but didnt like it... |
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| 19:43.27 | logd | but need to be sure it's not fragmented |
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| 19:43.51 | logd | Makalolo>avidemux ;) |
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| 19:44.54 | OFFSHORE | Hi , with what programm kann i catch and manipulate for example movies from my VCR |
| 19:45.41 | logd | <OFFSHORE>vlc can for sure |
| 19:45.45 | logd | others dunno |
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| 19:46.19 | fastputty | hi guys i got few trouble to find the cgi-bin |
| 19:46.22 | fastputty | folder |
| 19:46.25 | fastputty | smoeone could help me out |
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| 19:46.29 | Makalolo | logd, thanks man.. gonna check it =) |
| 19:46.38 | OFFSHORE | logd, cool, thats a start ;) have you done it before? |
| 19:46.55 | logd | digitized my full cassette collection |
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| 19:47.13 | logd | but it may rely on your acq. card |
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| 19:48.03 | logd | <Makalolo> if u need a video editor just to cut&paste stuff that's good - but not if u need special fx or whatever |
| 19:48.29 | logd | Makalolo> whose i guess u may consider to wine-up a windows tool |
| 19:49.12 | logd | OFFSHORE>i used hauppage wintv pvr-150 and it let me store both tv and vcr data |
| 19:49.19 | fastputty | guys icannot find the cgi-bin folder |
| 19:49.23 | fastputty | how cnai find it ot |
| 19:49.25 | logd | just switching channel to s-video |
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| 19:49.55 | logd | fastputty>1) there's always a find files tool 2) cgi-bin may not be called cgi-bin if server uses mappings |
| 19:50.03 | logd | so u can check at srv config |
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| 19:51.06 | fastputty | im nstaling a program it ask me to input the cgi-bin path |
| 19:51.09 | logd | <fastputty>i guess best way's to login into your web server admin page then check it out |
| 19:51.10 | fastputty | and i cannot find it.. what i do.. |
| 19:51.26 | fastputty | web server admin page?.... |
| 19:51.28 | OFFSHORE | logd, we have a cinergy 400 TV card here |
| 19:51.30 | logd | mean: u should have a 127.0.0.1/admin? |
| 19:51.39 | fastputty | im using apache2 |
| 19:51.46 | fastputty | i do not have such folder admin |
| 19:52.15 | OFFSHORE | logd, and want to put a vcr between the antenna socket in the wall and computer |
| 19:53.20 | logd | why this onfig OFFSHORE ? |
| 19:53.32 | OFFSHORE | ? |
| 19:53.39 | OFFSHORE | whats onfig |
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| 19:54.04 | logd | mean u need to put vcr between antenna and pc for what ? to record tv programmes on vcr than on pc ? |
| 19:54.09 | logd | it was config |
| 19:54.17 | logd | but my wireless keyboard is sticking |
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| 19:54.44 | logd | btw u can ;) |
| 19:55.00 | logd | just use a s-vdeo out or scart if vcr has more than one |
| 19:55.04 | OFFSHORE | tv signal goes through the vcr to the computer, so it is maybe possible to catch the vcr signal ( movie ) |
| 19:55.07 | logd | but i gess u'd take benefit of it |
| 19:55.20 | logd | yes |
| 19:55.21 | logd | i mean |
| 19:55.33 | logd | if i want to record movies i just use the acq. card |
| 19:55.34 | logd | not vcr |
| 19:55.37 | logd | btw yes u can |
| 19:55.54 | logd | just hook a scart or svieo from vcr to cinergy input lines |
| 19:56.11 | dondelelcaro | too bad a thing called macrovision exists, which pretty much makes that useless. |
| 19:56.13 | logd | then be sure u ve drivers for cinergy in you r pc and configurd it properly |
| 19:56.25 | logd | then just tell adapter what line to take input from |
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| 19:56.56 | logd | ah cinergy 400 has tuner facility ? |
| 19:57.17 | logd | mean u decicided to use vcr 'cause your card lacks tuning ? |
| 19:57.23 | logd | (i dunno that card) |
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| 19:58.59 | logd | <OFFSHORE>hello? |
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| 19:59.21 | OFFSHORE | i am looking for the name of it |
| 19:59.48 | OFFSHORE | it think this should be it : Philips Semiconductors SAA7134/SAA7135HL Video Br oadcast Decoder (rev 01) |
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| 20:00.33 | logd | OFFSHORE, ok but u've installed required drivers so u've a /dev/video ? |
| 20:00.48 | logd | ie ls /dev/video0 gives something |
| 20:00.58 | logd | or video or video1 or video24 or video32 |
| 20:01.19 | OFFSHORE | yes /dev/vid0 |
| 20:01.22 | OFFSHORE | eo |
| 20:01.52 | logd | ok now open vlc /dev/video0 |
| 20:02.08 | logd | u should have a black image |
| 20:02.09 | OFFSHORE | open |
| 20:02.12 | logd | till u provide input |
| 20:02.16 | logd | then |
| 20:02.41 | logd | if if your card only for acquire u just need to hook a tuning device eg the vcr or tv |
| 20:02.54 | logd | wheter if it has tuning facilities u can tune a channel |
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| 20:03.08 | OFFSHORE | ah ok |
| 20:03.17 | logd | or s-video/cxomposite video line to store a previously recorded tape |
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| 20:03.31 | logd | (vcr out connected to card's in) |
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| 20:11.06 | zooted_ | Is there an easy way to have Debian automatically pass xauth credentials so that su'ing to root over an SSH session will allow root to use X11 forwarding? |
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| 20:11.52 | randomgay | hi l0l how can I h4x t3h internetz? |
| 20:12.30 | wols_ | randomgay: do you have a debian related question? |
| 20:12.37 | randomgay | yea |
| 20:12.51 | randomgay | will 128bit aes still be enough in 2020? |
| 20:13.02 | wols_ | zooted_: sux, gksudo, kedsu? |
| 20:13.13 | randomgay | well kinda related |
| 20:13.15 | geo-rge | randomgay: not a specific debian question. |
| 20:13.20 | wols_ | randomgay: not debian related. more like #crypto or such |
| 20:13.35 | randomgay | righto |
| 20:13.48 | geo-rge | and in my opinion, it's not enough in 2007. |
| 20:13.58 | wols_ | randomgay: just keep striving for that rainbow |
| 20:14.04 | randomgay | u r un of the paranoidz rnt u |
| 20:14.12 | randomgay | :0 |
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| 20:14.23 | wintix | !u |
| 20:14.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:14.24 | wols_ | !u |
| 20:14.26 | geo-rge | !ops randomgay troll |
| 20:14.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: geo-rge complains about: randomgay troll |
| 20:14.36 | wintix | wols_: :) |
| 20:14.38 | wols_ | geo-rge: it could always be sunday where he is |
| 20:14.42 | randomgay | calm down just kidding :D |
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| 20:14.51 | geo-rge | that's his problem :P |
| 20:14.53 | wols_ | figures. he uses the same isp as me |
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| 20:15.11 | geo-rge | wols_: perhaps that is how he found here |
| 20:15.27 | wols_ | by using the same isp? |
| 20:15.40 | geo-rge | by searching for irc clients from his isp |
| 20:15.59 | geo-rge | for whatever reason... far fetched? yeah... possible tho |
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| 20:16.34 | wols_ | what have irc clients to do with what channels one visits? |
| 20:16.51 | geo-rge | no idea at all :) |
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| 20:17.44 | geo-rge | but, my question now is when are the #debian-amd64 people awake? |
| 20:18.21 | geo-rge | I got one, and I either want to assemble it or else leave the pieces in the boxes and return it |
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| 20:18.38 | geo-rge | and I need a little help deciding |
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| 20:20.18 | zooted_ | wols_: If I understand correctly, I would just use "sux" instead of "su"? |
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| 20:21.23 | zooted_ | wols_: thanks, works a charm :) |
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| 20:23.59 | Luzhin | Hello |
| 20:24.13 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 20:24.39 | wols_ | geo-rge: there is no reason NOT to buy a x86-64 cpu right now |
| 20:24.46 | wols_ | there is practically no downside to get one |
| 20:24.54 | Luzhin | I'v got a problem |
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| 20:25.20 | Luzhin | I burn official 1st DVD with Etch |
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| 20:25.38 | Luzhin | But it doesn't run at booting |
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| 20:26.06 | dareth | logd You there? |
| 20:26.07 | fastputty | is there any good servers monitoring for Debian |
| 20:26.13 | wols_ | how did you boot it? what files are on the CD if you look at it (e.g. in windows) |
| 20:26.18 | fastputty | like showing online fofline sttaus and sending pager in case of crsh |
| 20:26.21 | fastputty | crash |
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| 20:26.41 | Luzhin | I have the same files as in ISO |
| 20:26.44 | wols_ | !info cacti |
| 20:26.48 | dpkg | cacti: (Frontend to rrdtool for monitoring systems and services), section web, is extra. Version: 0.8.6j-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 941 kB, Installed size: 3612 kB |
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| 20:27.17 | Luzhin | The same size |
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| 20:27.35 | Luzhin | Boot from CD- is on in BIOS |
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| 20:28.01 | wols_ | when you boot, does the DVD spin up when it should boot (not before) |
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| 20:28.16 | Luzhin | Yep |
| 20:28.25 | wols_ | and what does it say? |
| 20:28.49 | Luzhin | But then it wrote: Boot from CD: failed |
| 20:28.50 | dareth | can someone tell me a good reason a single drive on an IDE channel wouldn't/shouldn't boot if jumpered as a master? |
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| 20:29.05 | Luzhin | I installed old Knoppix 3.4 |
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| 20:29.20 | dareth | take off jumper, away she goes.. jumper on Master, no other drives on channel/cable, drive no boot! |
| 20:29.23 | Luzhin | I made apt-cdrom add |
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| 20:29.44 | Luzhin | But Knoppix boots |
| 20:29.56 | Luzhin | And Ubuntu boots |
| 20:30.25 | Luzhin | From CDs |
| 20:30.50 | wols_ | theb nayve yiz sgizkd create a devuab CD |
| 20:30.57 | wols_ | *maybe you should |
| 20:31.06 | wols_ | a debian CD and not a DVD |
| 20:31.21 | Luzhin | ? |
| 20:31.27 | Luzhin | I used DVD |
| 20:31.51 | Luzhin | Does it bootable? |
| 20:31.52 | wols_ | the things you listed were all CDs |
| 20:32.00 | Luzhin | yep |
| 20:32.02 | wols_ | yes ít's bootable |
| 20:32.19 | fas3r | it's possible someone help me for route problem :( ? |
| 20:32.39 | wols_ | is it possible not asking to ask? |
| 20:32.44 | fas3r | ^^ |
| 20:32.48 | Luzhin | wols_ so, what I can do? |
| 20:32.57 | fas3r | ok |
| 20:33.06 | wols_ | vzrb a devuab betubstakk CD |
| 20:33.11 | fas3r | Luzhin: use netinstall cd .. |
| 20:33.18 | wols_ | *burn a dbeian netinstall CD |
| 20:33.25 | wols_ | damn homerow |
| 20:34.00 | jelly | wols_: you're drifting to the right... republican? |
| 20:34.03 | Luzhin | fas3r I have no Internet on that PC |
| 20:34.13 | fas3r | hum .. |
| 20:34.20 | fas3r | what's the problem ..? |
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| 20:34.32 | wols_ | jelly: my equipment drifts to the left. anarchist |
| 20:35.05 | Luzhin | fas3r how I can then use netinstall? |
| 20:35.05 | wols_ | Luzhin: burn the netinst CD, add the disk1 dvd to your sources list. enjoy installing |
| 20:35.16 | fas3r | maybe use floppy drive for launch dvd .. |
| 20:35.33 | Luzhin | I must have 2 DVD-roms? |
| 20:36.05 | Luzhin | Ok |
| 20:36.18 | Luzhin | Now I have Knoppix on my hard |
| 20:36.31 | Luzhin | I made apt-cdrom add |
| 20:36.47 | Luzhin | then apt-get update |
| 20:37.05 | Luzhin | But it ended with mistakes |
| 20:37.38 | Luzhin | APT went to ftp:/debian .... etc but not to my DVD |
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| 20:37.50 | Luzhin | What's to do |
| 20:37.51 | Luzhin | ? |
| 20:37.53 | Braindead | Luzhin: you really shouldn't install knoppix on the hd. it's not really meant to |
| 20:38.30 | fas3r | Luzhin: knoppix is installed on your PC ? |
| 20:38.35 | Luzhin | yep |
| 20:38.59 | fas3r | ok make apt-setup |
| 20:39.09 | fas3r | add your dvd on your apt source |
| 20:39.16 | fas3r | make apt-get update |
| 20:39.24 | fas3r | after make apt-get dist upgrade |
| 20:39.46 | fas3r | but before commat knoppix apt sources in sources.list |
| 20:39.54 | Braindead | fas3r: he'll still have problems dist-upgrading, knoppix isn't really meant for a HD install. it's a mess between stable/testing[unstable] |
| 20:39.58 | Braindead | !knoppix |
| 20:39.58 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:40.56 | Braindead | at the first serious dist-upgrade hell breaks loose |
| 20:41.30 | Luzhin | ( |
| 20:41.41 | Braindead | see for instance comments on this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=273490&archive=yes |
| 20:41.56 | Braindead | or this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=306376&archive=yes |
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| 20:44.06 | Luzhin | frozen-bubble ? |
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| 20:44.51 | Braindead | Luzhin: read the developer's comments |
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| 20:45.16 | Braindead | you know the "DO. NOT. USE. KNOPPIX. FOR. HOME. INSTALLATIONS." parts and such |
| 20:46.25 | Luzhin | But only problem that APT goes to debian ftps but not to my DVD |
| 20:46.46 | dondelelcaro | Luzhin: so add a cdrom source and use apt-cdrom to add that dvd. |
| 20:46.55 | abrotman | or the ftp source has a newer version |
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| 20:47.04 | Braindead | Luzhin: which part of "knoppix is not debian" you didn't actually get? |
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| 20:50.40 | fas3r | what's the better create directly route rules or iptables rules ? |
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| 20:51.50 | wols_ | !better |
| 20:51.50 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 20:57.46 | |DuReX| | hi :) i need some help, my server keeps crashing, almost every day now :s with a crap error 'General Protection Fault' (full error: http://www.dupondje.be/kernel/gpf.txt ) |
| 20:57.59 | n0yd | I have a list of GPG keys for a bunch of repositorys in my sources.list, the list in quite long (see: http://pastebin.ca/669568), how can I easily import the keys without having to it one by one? |
| 20:58.16 | abrotman | your filesystem isn't currupt ? |
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| 20:58.35 | abrotman | n0yd: a script |
| 20:58.51 | |DuReX| | abrotman: i did a xfs.repair |
| 20:58.53 | |DuReX| | its looks ok |
| 20:58.57 | |DuReX| | no errors or something |
| 20:58.58 | abrotman | just thought i'd ask |
| 20:59.00 | n0yd | abrotman: heh, an I'm trouble just figuring that out. ;) |
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| 20:59.16 | abrotman | n0yd: do you know the command to import keys for apt-key ? |
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| 20:59.57 | n0yd | abrotman: apt-key add <file> is what I should be using |
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| 21:00.24 | n0yd | But since my keys are incomplete, they can't be added with that command |
| 21:00.24 | Dogg | http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9128 |
| 21:00.42 | abrotman | Dogg: please stop spamming us |
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| 21:01.17 | abrotman | n0yd: if you read the bash programmign howto .. it'd be easy |
| 21:01.20 | abrotman | thanks staff! |
| 21:01.31 | kloeri | np abrotman |
| 21:01.47 | n0yd | abrotman: that was me who got him klined ;)( |
| 21:01.48 | abrotman | n0yd: additionally .. you sohuld be asking #ubuntu how to do this |
| 21:02.03 | n0yd | abrotman: haha, as if #ubuntu would have a clue. |
| 21:02.15 | n0yd | They couldn't even tell me how to change my background, FFS. |
| 21:02.19 | abrotman | n0yd: a simple shell script would suffice |
| 21:03.03 | n0yd | abrotman: Right. I've been thinking the same thing. I wanted to check here to see if there was an official solution of sorts. |
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| 21:03.11 | abrotman | not that i know of .. though ubuntu might hvae a magic tool |
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| 21:04.44 | n0yd | Probably not worth my time persuing this further. I just found a long sources.list that I felt like trying on this live cd. I don't actually run Ubuntu. Just have been booted off this live cd for a day or so and felt like tinkering. |
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| 21:05.42 | abrotman | you don't have to import keys .. just use packages unauthenticated |
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| 21:06.09 | n0yd | This is true. I just hate the damn warning messages, although it doesn't really matter, just a livecd. |
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| 21:07.55 | omind | hi all |
| 21:08.31 | omind | how can i safely unplug my pcmcia lan adapter ? |
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| 21:08.56 | |DuReX| | somebody knows how i can find bios information in linux ? |
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| 21:09.04 | omind | is there a risc is i do it directly ?? |
| 21:09.17 | fas3r | |DuReX|: google .. :p |
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| 21:13.01 | qrck | hopefully my stack gets recreated upon installing etch |
| 21:13.19 | qrck | i'm on lenny though |
| 21:13.25 | qrck | it's such a mess |
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| 21:14.04 | geo-rge | stack of what? |
| 21:14.32 | adv3cate | stack of cds to rip |
| 21:14.59 | qrck | can't tell ....seems to be apt's cache sorry i should have called it cache not stack... |
| 21:15.06 | qrck | eh |
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| 21:16.01 | geo-rge | lenny -> etch? so you're downgrading without wipe/install? |
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| 21:16.17 | cartesian1984 | Uhg. If I set the netmask to 255.255.255.0, when it should have been 255.255.254.0, on a remote server, will it prevent me being able to ssh to it? |
| 21:16.27 | cartesian1984 | Actually, I'm not even getting pings :( |
| 21:16.35 | Guerin | cartesian1984: depends on the ip. Probebly not. |
| 21:16.40 | juso | ok so I do a: nohup rsync -e ssh ... i disconnect from shell and my rsync dies.. why is this? |
| 21:16.50 | geo-rge | cartesian1984: 50/50 chance :) |
| 21:17.01 | Guerin | juso: run it in screen |
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| 21:17.22 | cartesian1984 | What aspect of the IP? |
| 21:17.27 | troythetechguy | How can I tell the speed of my processor from inside Debian? |
| 21:17.28 | juso | anyone know example syntax how I can run it in screen? |
| 21:17.49 | cartesian1984 | troythetechguy: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:17.50 | geo-rge | cartesian1984: just set the netmask correctly and be happy :) |
| 21:17.53 | cartesian1984 | troythetechguy: I think... |
| 21:18.07 | Blackfin | you can also control the CPU speed |
| 21:18.31 | troythetechguy | cartesian1984, That's it. Thank you. |
| 21:18.34 | cartesian1984 | geo-rge: I'll have to ask the colo guys to put it into recovery mode, but if the ip ends in .10, will it not work? |
| 21:18.38 | cartesian1984 | troythetechguy: sure thing. |
| 21:19.00 | geo-rge | this is on your colo?? |
| 21:19.05 | cartesian1984 | Er, .58.10. |
| 21:19.07 | cartesian1984 | geo-rge: yeah. |
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| 21:19.18 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 21:19.18 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 21:19.28 | cr3 | is there a way to persist an application so that if it crashes, some other process takes care of restarting it automatically? |
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| 21:19.45 | geo-rge | # lshal |
| 21:19.48 | adv3cate | cr3: there are several |
| 21:19.51 | geo-rge | I'm... afraid... |
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| 21:19.55 | geo-rge | I can;'t do |
| 21:19.56 | geo-rge | that |
| 21:19.58 | geo-rge | dave |
| 21:20.01 | cr3 | adv3cate: cool! I'm really anxious to hear how |
| 21:20.21 | wols_ | geo-rge: just remember what happened to HAL after he said that |
| 21:20.27 | grendal_prime | hey how is it possible to set up the auto mount in kde to fire off vlc when a dvd is put into the drive.. |
| 21:20.31 | cr3 | adv3cate: hm, a thought just occured: while true; do application; done |
| 21:20.42 | geo-rge | daisy... |
| 21:20.54 | adv3cate | && |
| 21:20.55 | geo-rge | sdaiy |
| 21:21.11 | geo-rge | yiads |
| 21:21.15 | geo-rge | &^%&^% |
| 21:21.25 | wintix | !enter |
| 21:21.25 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 21:21.26 | cr3 | adv3cate: the only problem is that the application in question is firefox which starts in the background :( |
| 21:21.30 | geo-rge | yes, I remember :) |
| 21:21.56 | adv3cate | cr3: I once had a problem attaching a defibrillator to a radiator and using it to cook chicken, too |
| 21:22.09 | geo-rge | wintix: it was -supposed- to be difficult to follow :P |
| 21:22.38 | cr3 | adv3cate: nice coincidence, I had the very same problem with my vibrator... what are the chances |
| 21:22.38 | geo-rge | just as difficult as it was for HAL to sing it... |
| 21:22.42 | wintix | geo-rge: well. hitting enter a lot scrolls our buffer and makes it hard to follow the whole conversation. |
| 21:23.11 | adv3cate | cr3: you can use the periodic function of the vibrator to restart firefox in the foreground |
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| 21:23.23 | geo-rge | just look at the screen more often... use that thing called "memory"... and know there's not much going on right now anyway :) |
| 21:23.45 | geo-rge | if memory fails, use that thing called scrolling back :) |
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| 21:24.28 | geo-rge | I'm not going to do that when there's stuff actually going on :P |
| 21:26.28 | cr3 | adv3cate: I don't see the periodic function, should it be defined in vibrator.js or on the command line? |
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| 21:28.12 | rocketmagnet | what is the name for the svn packge in etch ? |
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| 21:28.31 | jelly | rocketmagnet: subversion |
| 21:28.37 | rocketmagnet | ty |
| 21:28.42 | bonez39 | if I have rhythmbox and other music players working..... and yet I get no content producing any music in firefox, or iceweasel or other browsers...none of the browsers I open produce sound...what might be causing such silence? |
| 21:28.46 | R3dsh1ft | I keep having this problem... I start a download on the console with anything... wget, aptitude, anything... And it randomly just halts after downloading about 1.5 to 2 MB. The download stalls. I cancel it, and resume it. It downloads a little bit, then stalls again. Anyone know what my problem might be? |
| 21:29.12 | adv3cate | cr3: it's sined with pgp |
| 21:29.28 | geo-rge | that sounds like a tangent |
| 21:32.14 | geo-rge | *.* isn't needed in unix-alikes :) |
| 21:32.18 | geo-rge | * will do :) |
| 21:32.35 | L0cKn | geo-rge: lol |
| 21:32.39 | L0cKn | :DD |
| 21:32.50 | geo-rge | unless you want all files that have at least one . |
| 21:34.54 | Aidy | would there be a reason for apt not picking up certain packages of the repositories in sources.list? |
| 21:35.14 | geo-rge | there can be |
| 21:35.27 | azeem | Aidy: did you run apt-get update |
| 21:35.28 | wols_ | Aubustou_: apt-cache policy might tell |
| 21:35.33 | Aidy | azeem: shure |
| 21:35.38 | Aubustou_ | yes? |
| 21:35.40 | geo-rge | for example, failure to request packages |
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| 21:36.33 | DarkRamon | hello |
| 21:36.57 | geo-rge | if you were to tell us exactly, completely what you're doing, there might be more that can be said |
| 21:37.10 | Aidy | aha okay sec |
| 21:37.19 | DarkRamon | I need some help, when I'm trying to view some streaming videos with IceWeasel, it says: There is no input plugin to handle the location of this video |
| 21:37.31 | DarkRamon | and I already installed a lot of codecs and stuff |
| 21:37.47 | geo-rge | "HEY! my bicycle is hard to make it roll!" "try putting the wheels back on" |
| 21:37.57 | abrotman | DarkRamon: which file format is it ? |
| 21:38.11 | Aidy | geo-rge: http://download.tuxfamily.org/osrdebian/dists/unstable/index.html i'm adding these repositories |
| 21:38.29 | karsten | OT: anyone else seeing occasional multiple redliveries of the same message from gmail, and/or know how to make it stop (other than putting a dupe message procmail filter in place)? |
| 21:38.33 | DarkRamon | abrotman: let me check.. because its not sayin' anywhere... |
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| 21:39.01 | DarkRamon | abrotman: it is not sayin' it.... how can i figure it out.. but it happens with all the videos at www.channelchooser.com |
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| 21:39.26 | abrotman | DarkRamon: did you install the w32codecs pcakge ? |
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| 21:39.30 | DarkRamon | yup |
| 21:39.34 | Aidy | geo-rge: when i do apt-cache search compiz, there is a whole bunch of packages that are in that repository it doesn't list |
| 21:40.02 | DarkRamon | abrotman: yeah, I installed it |
| 21:40.07 | Aidy | compizconfig-* for example |
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| 21:40.25 | abrotman | DarkRamon: then you're going to have to figure out which format it is to see if you even have the codec |
| 21:40.42 | DarkRamon | mmmm hard to find out ... let me check the source of the website |
| 21:40.59 | geo-rge | Aidy: (1) won't necessarily be me... you'll be helping everyone trying to help you by being more specific... (2) any more details? (again not to me specifically) like: what packages you're trying to -install-? |
| 21:41.23 | Guerin | DarkRamon: mplayer will tell you the codec |
| 21:41.34 | Guerin | DarkRamon: you're looking for `fourcc' in the outpu |
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| 21:42.07 | Aidy | i'm trying to install compiz |
| 21:42.28 | DarkRamon | Guerin: let me install mplayer |
| 21:42.34 | L0cKn | nooo compiz! |
| 21:42.36 | L0cKn | lol |
| 21:43.31 | Aidy | L0cKn: shush! |
| 21:43.37 | L0cKn | lool |
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| 21:45.29 | DarkRamon | Guerin: same thing |
| 21:45.39 | DarkRamon | not telling me the extension of the file |
| 21:45.40 | geo-rge | Aidy: see what happens if you do apt-get install compiz |
| 21:45.42 | DarkRamon | it is a link |
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| 21:46.09 | R3dsh1ft | I keep having this problem... I start a download on the console with anything... wget, aptitude, anything... And it randomly just halts after downloading about 1.5 to 2 MB. The download stalls. I cancel it, and resume it. It downloads a little bit, then stalls again. Anyone know what my problem might be? |
| 21:46.11 | Guerin | DarkRamon: what protocol? |
| 21:46.21 | Guerin | so it's not actually a codec error at all |
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| 21:46.57 | DarkRamon | yeah it is.. because it can play some other movies |
| 21:47.00 | Guerin | R3dsh1ft: all remote servers, or just one? |
| 21:47.01 | DarkRamon | like avi , mpeg and wmv |
| 21:47.05 | R3dsh1ft | Guerin, all. |
| 21:47.09 | Guerin | DarkRamon: what do you mean IT |
| 21:47.16 | Guerin | R3dsh1ft: complain to your isp |
| 21:47.35 | R3dsh1ft | Guerin, doesn't do it in Windows. Only in *nix OSes. |
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| 21:47.51 | Guerin | R3dsh1ft: try tweaking your mtu |
| 21:48.07 | R3dsh1ft | Guerin, it's at 1500, how far should I move it? |
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| 21:48.26 | Guerin | R3dsh1ft: drop it to 1000 or so and work up from there |
| 21:48.36 | Guerin | (presuming 1000 works) |
| 21:48.50 | abrotman | i thougth 1492 was the magic number? |
| 21:48.57 | geo-rge | find the highest one that works |
| 21:49.03 | Guerin | mm, i thought so too but wasn't confident |
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| 21:51.07 | abrotman | almost there! |
| 21:51.18 | geo-rge | someone |
| 21:51.24 | geo-rge | is coming to play :P |
| 21:51.38 | abrotman | drat .. and i have to go the grocer :) |
| 21:51.49 | DustyBin | who makes all those things? |
| 21:51.58 | abrotman | all what things ? |
| 21:51.59 | geo-rge | ThingMaker |
| 21:52.06 | DustyBin | all those k-lined thingys |
| 21:52.13 | abrotman | freenode staff |
| 21:52.17 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 21:52.22 | Guerin | DustyBin: they're probably spambots being banned permanently |
| 21:52.33 | DustyBin | who makes the spambots? |
| 21:52.39 | abrotman | morons |
| 21:52.43 | geo-rge | SpamBotMakers |
| 21:52.57 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:52.58 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 21:53.02 | DustyBin | so a spam bot, lives in a channel and in the background without you seeing, it spams email? |
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| 21:53.09 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 21:53.26 | geo-rge | what's dline |
| 21:53.31 | azeem | quick, somebody get themselve flood-kicked to test debhelper! |
| 21:53.31 | abrotman | why didn't debhelper get chanops ? |
| 21:53.43 | abrotman | azeem: you try it! |
| 21:53.51 | Guerin | 09:53:45 -!- quickpot [n=aol@netblock-68-183-171-31.dslextreme.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] |
| 21:53.55 | Guerin | 09:53:56 < geo-rge> what's dline |
| 21:53.56 | geo-rge | chanserv is the only op |
| 21:53.57 | Guerin | 09:54:00 < azeem> quick, somebody get themselve flood-kicked to test debhelper! |
| 21:54.00 | Guerin | 09:54:01 < abrotman> why didn't debhelper get chanops ? |
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| 21:54.01 | DustyBin | if debian was a register only channel there would be no more spam bots! |
| 21:54.02 | Guerin | 09:54:13 < abrotman> azeem: you try it! |
| 21:54.05 | abrotman | Guerin: that was awful slow |
| 21:54.09 | jelly | Guerin: you fail! |
| 21:54.16 | geo-rge | chanserv is the only op |
| 21:54.16 | geo-rge | chanserv is the only op |
| 21:54.20 | azeem | Guerin has debhelper counter measures |
| 21:54.20 | geo-rge | chanserv is the only op |
| 21:54.22 | geo-rge | nope |
| 21:54.23 | abrotman | well .. this can't be good |
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| 21:54.28 | Guerin | muhahaha |
| 21:54.28 | jelly | !win geo-rge |
| 21:54.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, geo-rge! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 21:54.31 | Guerin | i am invincible! |
| 21:54.32 | enouf | yikes |
| 21:54.36 | Guerin | not even stew can ban me now! |
| 21:54.43 | abrotman | yes he can |
| 21:54.46 | geo-rge | only chanserv is presently opped |
| 21:54.53 | Guerin | no, because debhelper can't op him! |
| 21:54.57 | abrotman | chanserv can |
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| 21:55.01 | Guerin | oh :( |
| 21:55.09 | geo-rge | Guerin: hear you roar? in numbers too much to ignore? |
| 21:55.30 | Guerin | geo-rge: maybe I'll just squeak instead |
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| 21:55.30 | geo-rge | canserv chan? |
| 21:55.31 | jelly | \o/ |
| 21:55.31 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.31 | jelly | ( ) |
| 21:55.31 | jelly | ... a cowboy |
| 21:55.32 | azeem | also chanserv doesn't want to op |
| 21:55.32 | abrotman | jelly: can't you just use cowsay like the rest of the kids ? |
| 21:55.39 | DustyBin | geo-rge: are you what one would call a troll? |
| 21:55.59 | geo-rge | DustyBin: which one? |
| 21:56.04 | graytron | does etch still have problems with utf8? |
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| 21:56.26 | jelly | graytron: it's mostly ok I think |
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| 21:56.40 | maddash | i'm trying to unload ieee80211_crypt_wep. modprobe -r doesn't work, because it's still in use (lsmod lists it as "Used By '1' ") -- so how do I figure out which process is using it? |
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| 21:57.20 | geo-rge | argh. so I guess I'm headed to frys |
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| 21:57.32 | enouf | abrotman: (concerning that adding "apt-key add file" gpg question about installing many keys) - i came up with this after also consulting #bash (i can't test it and the retard left already) |
| 21:57.37 | jelly | graytron: there was a guy mounting vfat usb sticks in a non-compliant way (= latin1), possibly because of some config leftover from upgrades |
| 21:57.38 | enouf | while read line ; do gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv "$line" ; gpg --export --armor "$line" | sudo apt-key add - ; done < /tmp/file.with.gpg.keys |
| 21:57.48 | graytron | jelly: i'm just wondering if i should expect problems with certain applications |
| 21:58.15 | geo-rge | he may be a retard... but he's ahead of you :) |
| 21:58.25 | jelly | graytron: some apps still don't support it, but that's their fault |
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| 21:58.54 | enouf | geo-rgee peo-rgee , you makin me so hornee |
| 21:58.55 | graytron | jelly: i suppose i could still use iso-8859-15 and switch over some day |
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| 21:59.12 | graytron | jelly: and not during the sarge -> etch upgrade |
| 21:59.17 | maddash | no one knows the answer to my question? |
| 21:59.36 | tyler2435 | how would i tell how big a particular file is, in human readable format? |
| 21:59.36 | geo-rge | yech :P spooge in some other direction :P |
| 21:59.55 | dondelelcaro | maddash: lsmod; should tell you what module is using it. |
| 22:00.00 | enouf | maddash: try lsof or fuser - see what else it depends on, it depends on abnother module |
| 22:00.07 | geo-rge | tyler2435: ls -l |
| 22:00.10 | Guerin | tyler2435: du -h file |
| 22:00.15 | tyler2435 | mk |
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| 22:00.20 | jelly | graytron: I'm on lenny, and things work. I also use etch on a server and have seen no special problems with the few programs I used (mutt, joe, the shell) |
| 22:00.24 | Guerin | geo-rge: ls -l is not usually considered `human-readable' |
| 22:00.33 | tyler2435 | i was just about to say that |
| 22:00.41 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: it's cyborg only output |
| 22:00.48 | geo-rge | that would be the size in bytes tho |
| 22:00.50 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: more human than human readable |
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| 22:00.55 | tyler2435 | lol. |
| 22:00.57 | tyler2435 | yeah |
| 22:01.04 | tyler2435 | i meant kb/mb/gb etc |
| 22:01.06 | tyler2435 | ;o |
| 22:01.11 | maddash | dondelelcaro: ieee80211_crypt_wep 5056 1 |
| 22:01.11 | maddash | ieee80211_crypt 5376 1 ieee80211_crypt_wep |
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| 22:01.20 | JordiGH | What's the difference betweeen /etc/shadow and /etc/shadow- ? |
| 22:01.22 | jelly | Guerin: if there's a lot of numbers, it's a big file! |
| 22:01.25 | maddash | dondelelcaro: as you can see, lsmod isn't particularly helpful |
| 22:01.34 | Guerin | jelly: this is incontrovertibly true |
| 22:01.35 | tyler2435 | -rw-r--r-- 1 stoner stoner 17709233 Aug 24 14:51 file.ext |
| 22:01.43 | dondelelcaro | maddash: is the interface up? do you have the regulatory daemon running? |
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| 22:01.45 | maddash | tyler2435: ls -lh |
| 22:01.46 | tyler2435 | i cant tell what 17709233 is, immediatly at least :P |
| 22:01.53 | tyler2435 | du -h tyler.tar.gz |
| 22:01.53 | tyler2435 | 17M tyler.tar.gz |
| 22:01.59 | maddash | tyler2435: forget du |
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| 22:02.04 | tyler2435 | oh? |
| 22:02.05 | enouf | geo-rge: btw - i know the guy who asked that gpg question, and told (warned) him not to come in here asking about *buntu, but i also found the problem a bit interesting enough to work on it :-P |
| 22:02.13 | Guerin | maddash: forget brain. |
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| 22:02.17 | Guerin | oh, it seems you did |
| 22:02.18 | ctx144k | hello all |
| 22:02.21 | jelly | Guerin: however you sometimes can't tell just how big. -rw------- 1 root root 200047001601 2006-07-15 03:09 /mnt/private/hdb1.e2i |
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| 22:02.35 | tyler2435 | they both work for my expectations :P |
| 22:02.36 | Guerin | jelly: ETOOBIG |
| 22:02.58 | geo-rge | enouf: I really don't see the harm in answering if one happens to know the answer |
| 22:03.21 | ctx144k | i wanna configure knocked for the device venet0 (on an virtual server). but when i start the daemon i get the follow error: |
| 22:03.22 | JordiGH | Is it just a backup? /etc/shadow- I mean. |
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| 22:03.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:03.36 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 22:03.36 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 22:03.36 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:03.37 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@ppp-88-217-12-158.dynamic.mnet-online.de] by azeem |
| 22:03.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 22:03.38 | maddash | dondelelcaro: nada. pstree only gives back my irc client, X11, and iceweasel. |
| 22:03.44 | enouf | geo-rge: as you can see, i had to construct an answer , and did answer him (since i know him), in another #channel |
| 22:03.53 | maddash | what just happened? |
| 22:03.58 | enouf | buh bye |
| 22:04.02 | enouf | !customer |
| 22:04.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 22:04.02 | jelly | someone got flood-banned! |
| 22:04.05 | ctx144k | arptype 65535 not supported by libpcap - falling back to cooked socket |
| 22:04.10 | maddash | huh? |
| 22:04.25 | ctx144k | anyone have an idea what todo? |
| 22:05.00 | jelly | dondelelcaro: um, unban geo-rge? |
| 22:05.04 | maddash | this all started when I `aptiude upgrade wireless-tools`. fuck. |
| 22:05.13 | enouf | maddash: does netstat -tunap show you a service/processID that might help you home in on what's using it? |
| 22:06.06 | maddash | enouf: no, the output lists the ip of eth0 -- my landline. |
| 22:06.15 | maddash | ipS* |
| 22:06.27 | enouf | and much more wiseass |
| 22:06.53 | maddash | huh? |
| 22:07.04 | enouf | you have to unload in the correct order = now, you go onto my /ignore list |
| 22:07.17 | maddash | you want the stdout dump? |
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| 22:08.15 | mesof | anyone know how to change the colors of raggle? |
| 22:08.19 | JordiGH | I'm still having issues setting up NIS. :-/ |
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| 22:08.59 | maddash | http://pastebin.ca/669643 |
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| 22:09.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:09.08 | Guerin | it's like synchronised swimming -- only with bans |
| 22:09.16 | azeem | chanserv is overworked |
| 22:09.34 | karsten | @beer chanserv |
| 22:09.37 | jelly | hire temps, send it on vacation |
| 22:09.43 | dondelelcaro | yeah... I banned geo-rge in the middle of his flood, and it took that long to come back. |
| 22:09.44 | karsten | Feh. |
| 22:09.48 | karsten | !beer chanserv |
| 22:09.56 | JordiGH | Hm, okay, so am I supposed to add a daemon to /etc/init.d manually or is there some tool that does it for me? |
| 22:10.22 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: /etc/init.d/skeleton is where you can start; copy it, stick it there, and then you can use update-rc.d to add the symlinks if you want |
| 22:10.23 | azeem | JordiGH: the package should do that for you |
| 22:10.46 | JordiGH | azeem: Yeah, apt-cacher doesn't seem to do it by itself. |
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| 22:10.52 | JordiGH | azeem: Is that a bug? |
| 22:10.54 | maddash | arghhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 22:11.04 | maddash | I guess I'll force unload |
| 22:11.25 | azeem | JordiGH: you sure it doesn't use inetd? |
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| 22:11.43 | maddash | fuck -- to force unload, I have to recompile my kernel |
| 22:11.44 | JordiGH | azeem: No, I'm not. What's that? |
| 22:11.52 | azeem | JordiGH: /etc/inetd.confg |
| 22:11.57 | azeem | eh, .conf* |
| 22:12.18 | JordiGH | That file doesn't exist. |
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| 22:12.39 | JordiGH | I just want "apt-cacher -d" to daemonise at startup. Do I really need to edit a script to do that? :-/ |
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| 22:12.50 | maddash | this just pathetic. |
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| 22:13.10 | enouf | could use rc.local, iinm |
| 22:13.16 | aethus | does anyone know why python 2.5 still isn't the default python in debian? |
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| 22:13.29 | geo-rge | yeah, so no good deed goes unpunished :P |
| 22:13.43 | dondelelcaro | aethus: because the python maintainers haven't decided to transition to it yet |
| 22:14.09 | aethus | dondelelcaro: is there some mailing list discussion on it? |
| 22:14.12 | geo-rge | so what exactly happened? and what's a dline? |
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| 22:14.38 | dondelelcaro | aethus: probably |
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| 22:14.57 | JordiGH | aethus: debian-python, does that ML exist? |
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| 22:15.25 | geo-rge | look at lists.debian.org... maybe :) |
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| 22:16.18 | ponyofdeath | hi how do i also pipe errors into a log >2&1 or something like that ? |
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| 22:16.29 | JordiGH | I really need help setting up NIS. Security at this moment is second to getting the damn thing working in the first place. |
| 22:16.41 | Guerin | famous last words |
| 22:16.46 | dondelelcaro | ponyofdeath: > foolog 2>&1 |
| 22:16.47 | geo-rge | ponyofdeath: command or file? |
| 22:16.57 | dondelelcaro | ponyofdeath: man bash; for complete details. |
| 22:17.15 | ponyofdeath | dondelelcaro: into a file |
| 22:17.30 | geo-rge | or info bash, better, more uptodate, more often maintained, better interface |
| 22:17.42 | JordiGH | It's kinda fun that everyone says not to use NIS and that all the docs are at least six years old. |
| 22:17.50 | geo-rge | but that manual is probably gfdl licensed |
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| 22:18.57 | aethus | JordiGH: there is a python mailing list I went through it but cant find transition plans |
| 22:19.00 | Guerin | more beatdowns required |
| 22:19.02 | rob | debhelper rocks :) |
| 22:19.06 | JordiGH | aethus: Then ask them. :-) |
| 22:19.10 | shay | sucks |
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| 22:19.55 | aethus | JordiGH: Will do, a bit more searching before to be sure though |
| 22:20.47 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Funny. bash-doc is in main, even though it contains cover texts. |
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| 22:21.25 | JordiGH | geo-rge: It's even in the etch CDs. Oh noes! Debian has given me non-free software in their distro! |
| 22:21.28 | jelly | JordiGH: maybe it's not GFDLed? |
| 22:21.42 | Guerin | jelly: GNU bash doc ... not GFDL? |
| 22:21.48 | Guerin | seems implausible |
| 22:21.49 | mbroeker | wow is this a script attack? |
| 22:21.53 | jelly | Guerin: miracles can happen |
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| 22:22.02 | Guerin | mbroeker: yes, by a grumpy botmaster. |
| 22:22.08 | JordiGH | No, it is GFDL. It contains a cover text, even. It's in main. You guys can file a bug report if you wish, because I sure as hell ain't doing it myself. |
| 22:22.18 | geo-rge | how do you know he's grumpy? |
| 22:22.27 | jelly | JordiGH: OMG RC bug gone unnoticed |
| 22:22.41 | mbroeker | botnets are really dangerous. i will have my own :) |
| 22:22.54 | JordiGH | jelly: Yep. |
| 22:23.03 | geo-rge | and the irony is that debian themselves have decided that the docs are not distributable |
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| 22:23.20 | JordiGH | geo-rge: No, they're distributable, just not DFSG. |
| 22:23.32 | geo-rge | so they shouldn't be in main :) |
| 22:23.35 | R3dsh1ft | I can't seem to get X to function properly on my display. Granted, the display is a 37" widescreen TV... It keeps going to different resolutions, instead of the resolution I'm trying to force it into. |
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| 22:24.03 | JordiGH | R3dsh1ft: See if /var/log/X.0.log (or whatever) gives you a clue why it won't do the other resolutions. |
| 22:24.10 | jelly | "let's pretend non-free is not part of Debian, but we'll still manage and maintain the docs there as if it were" |
| 22:24.21 | dondelelcaro | jelly: non-free isn't, actually. |
| 22:24.22 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: does the display support the resolutions |
| 22:24.32 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: if it's widescreen they may be different |
| 22:24.33 | jelly | dondelelcaro: my point. |
| 22:24.48 | JordiGH | jelly: Well, non-free isn't in the 3 etch DVDs I burnt, so yeah, Debian managed to make its point with me. |
| 22:24.51 | R3dsh1ft | mesof, yeah, it's a 16:9 720p widescreen. I'm setting the resolution to 1280x720, which is it's native. |
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| 22:25.25 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: what de? |
| 22:25.34 | JordiGH | jelly: gsl-ref-psdoc also is GFDLed with an invariant section. Again, feel free to file the bug report yourself. I refuse to do it myself. |
| 22:25.38 | R3dsh1ft | mesof, Eh? |
| 22:25.39 | Aidy | geo-rge: http://rafb.net/p/Qh8atE95.html i hope you understand the dutch |
| 22:25.43 | jelly | JordiGH: you don't really need gcc or glibc documentation! What are you going to do with Debian, write software for Linux? |
| 22:25.49 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: desktop environment, gnome, kde? |
| 22:26.05 | R3dsh1ft | mesof, Gnome. |
| 22:26.11 | jelly | JordiGH: I could care less, too. ;-) |
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| 22:26.23 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: check the gnome display properties |
| 22:26.39 | R3dsh1ft | mesof, how can I do that via console? |
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| 22:26.43 | geo-rge | Aidy: ironically, I have dutch in my ancestery... but don't understand any of it |
| 22:27.08 | mesof | gnome-display-properties from console |
| 22:27.25 | JordiGH | And I'm named Jordi, but I don't speak Catalan |
| 22:27.40 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: also are you using the correct driver for your video card? |
| 22:27.47 | geo-rge | and also don't say "Yes Kepten Picard" |
| 22:27.49 | R3dsh1ft | mesof, using nv driver for 7300LE. |
| 22:28.03 | jelly | Aidy: do LANG=C apt-get install compiz |
| 22:28.09 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: well install the Nvidia driver |
| 22:28.11 | Aidy | jelly: ah :D |
| 22:28.12 | R3dsh1ft | mesof, I mean how can I edit it, console ONLY? |
| 22:28.16 | qrck | hey cool dann kann ich ja mal auch reinschaun |
| 22:28.21 | R3dsh1ft | what package is that? |
| 22:28.24 | JordiGH | How can I tell if my NIS client is communicating with my NIS server at all? |
| 22:28.28 | qrck | ups |
| 22:28.33 | Guerin | JordiGH: tcpdump |
| 22:28.41 | jelly | Aidy: but "package is not installable" is your problem: compiz: Vereisten: compiz-decorator maar het is niet installeerbaar |
| 22:28.45 | JordiGH | Guerin: Isn't it udp |
| 22:28.46 | JordiGH | ? |
| 22:28.49 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:28.50 | geo-rge | or try to cat the relations |
| 22:28.56 | Aidy | http://rafb.net/p/xn1Clw83.html |
| 22:29.03 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: but you'll need the nvidia kernel driver that matches your kernel |
| 22:29.14 | mesof | R3dsh1ft: so apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 22:29.26 | Guerin | JordiGH: dunno :) |
| 22:29.28 | Aidy | jelly: yes i know, but i think that package is in the repository, but it's simply not indexing it or so |
| 22:29.40 | Aidy | there's several packages from that repo that don't get added |
| 22:29.47 | mesof | then apt-get install nvidia-kernel***(whichever matches your kernel number) and also install nvidia-glx |
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| 22:30.02 | mesof | then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:30.03 | dubd | I have a lap with two hard disks. sda with windows, sdb with linux. Grub is setup(hd0) but root (hd1,1). Grub Error 22 when loading grub. What can I do? |
| 22:30.09 | jelly | Aidy: add it to the install line and see what happens next: LANG=C apt-get install compiz compiz-decorator ... repeat. |
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| 22:30.35 | mesof | dubd: you can do what i do and plug and unplug the hardrives when you use them |
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| 22:30.37 | stoned | 1 |
| 22:30.47 | mesof | dubd: are you on a desktop system? |
| 22:30.48 | jelly | Aidy: eh, contact your third party that made the repository and ask them to fix the mess |
| 22:30.58 | JordiGH | dubd: It is a fun fact that grub and Linux can disagree on what your hard drives are called. |
| 22:30.58 | stoned | Guerin: what are you doing up at this time |
| 22:31.03 | dubd | mesof: laptop, and it is not mine. |
| 22:31.05 | mesof | dubd: but obviously you would need to power down |
| 22:31.06 | stoned | Guerin: isn't it like middle of night there |
| 22:31.11 | stoned | or early morning hours |
| 22:31.18 | mesof | dubd: oh, you're going to have to install a boot manager |
| 22:31.27 | Guerin | stoned: at 1031 on Saturday morning? Contemplating a second coffee. |
| 22:31.36 | stoned | oh damn |
| 22:31.36 | JordiGH | Guerin: Eh, so assuming it is TCP, what's the command with tcpdump to see if they're communicating? |
| 22:31.37 | dubd | mesof: mm isn't that suposed to be grub? |
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| 22:31.44 | stoned | thats a ... where are you? |
| 22:31.45 | mesof | dubd: i'm not sure |
| 22:32.00 | Guerin | JordiGH: i can't be arsed to read the tcpdump manpage now |
| 22:32.00 | stoned | Guerin: i thought it would be a max of 6-7 hours difference |
| 22:32.09 | JordiGH | Guerin: I was hoping you would just know... :-) |
| 22:32.15 | Guerin | stoned: it is ... but in the opposite direction to the one you think' |
| 22:32.20 | Guerin | JordiGH: nope, sorry. |
| 22:32.23 | stoned | oh so 16 hours |
| 22:32.29 | Guerin | roughly |
| 22:32.31 | geo-rge | theres a way to get the client to spew out the relation that's on the nis server |
| 22:32.31 | jelly | stoned: it's 12:30am here in sunny Europe (UTC+2) |
| 22:32.36 | geo-rge | catsomething |
| 22:32.38 | Guerin | 18 or something - we're ahead of you |
| 22:32.40 | stoned | i've got est |
| 22:32.45 | stoned | 6:32pm |
| 22:32.49 | stoned | friday evening |
| 22:32.52 | mesof | dubd: boot into recovery console for the windows drive and type "fixmbr" |
| 22:33.06 | stoned | Guerin: but we can kick anyone's ass and bomb any brown people we want |
| 22:33.08 | geo-rge | ypcat? |
| 22:33.13 | stoned | ala George Carlin |
| 22:33.14 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:33.22 | Guerin | stoned: apparently not, though. |
| 22:33.31 | stoned | we average a major war every 20 years |
| 22:33.33 | karsten | geo-rge: ypmatch gtenerally gives better performance, but what's the question? |
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| 22:33.40 | Guerin | and a minor one every president |
| 22:33.42 | mesof | dubd: http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t405091.html |
| 22:33.49 | stoned | Guerin: hehe |
| 22:34.03 | JordiGH | geo-rge: ypcat? |
| 22:34.04 | Guerin | seriously - every president since WWII has had a war |
| 22:34.10 | geo-rge | karsten: someone was asking "how can I tell if I'm connected to the server" |
| 22:34.15 | Guerin | this is an impressive record |
| 22:34.23 | karsten | geo-rge: ypwhich |
| 22:34.34 | stoned | 10 major wars |
| 22:34.37 | stoned | 200 years old country |
| 22:34.37 | geo-rge | what package are all thoswe in? |
| 22:34.39 | Freak|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.44 | stoned | thas crazy numbers man |
| 22:34.53 | karsten | !tell geo-rge about search |
| 22:35.07 | dubd | mesof: the problem is not that. Grub is in the mbr and it is not working |
| 22:35.10 | geo-rge | I just tried :P |
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| 22:35.20 | stoned | Freak|laptop: Debianistan |
| 22:35.22 | geo-rge | BEFORE asking :P |
| 22:35.24 | JordiGH | geo-rge: nis |
| 22:35.31 | mesof | dubd: did you read the page? |
| 22:35.58 | mesof | http://www.geocities.com/epark/linux/grub-w2k-HOWTO.html |
| 22:36.01 | mesof | try that one maybe |
| 22:36.14 | karsten | geo-rge: nis |
| 22:36.29 | geo-rge | thanks |
| 22:36.34 | karsten | geo-rge: NP |
| 22:36.53 | karsten | geo-rge: auto-apt search <filename> |
| 22:37.18 | JordiGH | karsten: Er, "print the values of one or more keys from a NIS map"? How can I use that command to figure out if my NIS server and client are communicating? |
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| 22:37.38 | JordiGH | I confess I don't know what a NIS map is. :-/ |
| 22:37.54 | geo-rge | it's like a table in a db |
| 22:38.45 | geo-rge | well you need portmapper for that |
| 22:39.21 | stoned | JordiGH: nothing to it |
| 22:39.26 | stoned | JordiGH: client or server nfs? |
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| 22:40.10 | JordiGH | stoned: Both. But I'm fighting NIS right now. |
| 22:40.13 | stoned | JordiGH: install portmap nfs-kernel-server, edit /etc/exports and specify shares there, then on client mount -t nfs -o intr,(whatever else you want) /blah /blah |
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| 22:40.33 | JordiGH | stoned: Okay. Sounds easy enough. |
| 22:40.35 | Nuxis | damn ati driver doesn't provide 3D |
| 22:40.39 | JordiGH | stoned: security issues? |
| 22:41.09 | JordiGH | My library has a book called "managing NIS and NFS". It's from 1991. |
| 22:41.09 | stoned | or specify in fstab server:/nfs/share /mountpoint nfs defautls,auto,intr |
| 22:41.11 | stoned | etc. |
| 22:41.18 | stoned | nah |
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| 22:41.41 | stoned | Nuxis: which ati card? |
| 22:41.50 | stoned | Nuxis: and you're using ati/radeon or fglrx? |
| 22:41.58 | Nuxis | stoned, ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 |
| 22:42.09 | Nuxis | now I'm using driver ati |
| 22:42.12 | stoned | opensource drivers don' thave 3d for ati? |
| 22:42.15 | stoned | I thought they did |
| 22:42.21 | JordiGH | Nuxis: Try putting "radeon" instead of "ati". It's supposedly a subdriver, but for some reason it does provide from some cards. Yours might work. |
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| 22:42.30 | frog | hi, is there any way to monitor kernel network function, that are just in use ( where they are in the source code, and what they do)? |
| 22:42.33 | JordiGH | stoned: Some ati cards have 3d. Some don't. |
| 22:42.35 | frog | hi, is there any way to monitor kernel network function, that are just in use ( where they are in the source code, and what they do)? |
| 22:42.36 | Nuxis | ok I will try tnx brb gonna reconfiure it |
| 22:42.46 | stoned | mobility 7500 should |
| 22:42.48 | karsten | frog: gdb |
| 22:42.49 | Nuxis | JordiGH, I now I have 3D under ubuntu I can play all my gamed |
| 22:42.57 | Nuxis | I will select driver radeon brb |
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| 22:43.05 | stoned | nunu: doesn't matter |
| 22:43.10 | stoned | ati loads radeon |
| 22:43.13 | frog | karsten: ok, thx |
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| 22:43.22 | stoned | I found this out while trying to load radeon and then ati, and looking at the log |
| 22:43.23 | JordiGH | I was going to say... for some reason, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't let you select radeon. You have to manually edit /etc/xorg.conf |
| 22:43.32 | stoned | JordiGH: it does |
| 22:43.42 | karsten | frog: ... and/or clarify your question. |
| 22:43.42 | stoned | on the 2nd screen or 3rd i think |
| 22:43.50 | JordiGH | stoned: Sure? I think I couldn't find it. Let me check. |
| 22:44.05 | azeem | JordiGH: if radeon isn't there, ati surely is |
| 22:44.06 | stoned | JordiGH: you have xorg-drver-ati and radeon installed? |
| 22:44.13 | stoned | something like that anyway |
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| 22:44.32 | stoned | if you look at 'xorg' dependencies it should be listed, and afaik it is installed alongwith ati |
| 22:44.51 | azeem | there's only ati |
| 22:44.53 | JordiGH | azeem: Yeah, ati is, but radeon isn't. I just had some issues with some machines where X wouldn't load with the ati driver, but when I changed the name to "radeon", it all went smoothly, 3d accel even without me mucking about it. |
| 22:44.58 | azeem | radeon is a synonym |
| 22:45.02 | JordiGH | stoned: Yes. radeon isn't an option. |
| 22:45.07 | stoned | strange |
| 22:45.18 | stoned | on my sid box it is listed |
| 22:45.23 | Sebboh | hi. I'm getting some get faults in some postinst scripts when I do an apt-get upgrade. Uh.. Is this a bug? Should I like, report it or something? |
| 22:45.24 | JordiGH | stoned: Using etch here. |
| 22:45.26 | stoned | then again i have not updated my sid box in half a year |
| 22:45.33 | stoned | maybe its deprecated now? |
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| 22:45.41 | nvz | I am so fucking pissed right now and I got no one to blame cause I should know better |
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| 22:45.55 | stoned | Linux laptop 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 17:17:36 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:45.57 | eif_zon | How can I change from SMP to normal in my kernel? |
| 22:46.02 | stoned | er.. |
| 22:46.06 | frog | karsten: thx for a hint. gonna see some details. what i wish is learning a little bit about how the kernel does tcp/ip . but need something more generall than reading the code |
| 22:46.07 | nvz | yet again I spend an hour writiting something in MSIE7 and post it, and it doesn't post and I lost the whole fucking thing |
| 22:46.10 | stoned | lenny/sid |
| 22:46.40 | stoned | nvz: dude, always write in text editor and then paste it |
| 22:46.43 | nvz | WHY THE FUCK, doesn't it save form data like FF.. heh.. I can hit the back button on FF and get all my shit back |
| 22:46.48 | stoned | so at least if browsers fucks up you have a copy |
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| 22:46.55 | nuxis | no radeon driver |
| 22:46.58 | nvz | stoned: thats what I said the last time |
| 22:46.58 | stoned | nvz: c'mon man, I'm the one supposed to be stoned |
| 22:47.06 | JordiGH | nuxis: Yeah, I was going to say. |
| 22:47.11 | nuxis | JordiGH, ok lol :D |
| 22:47.20 | JordiGH | nuxis: The option isn't there. Edit /etc/xorg.conf manually and put "radeon" in there. |
| 22:47.25 | nuxis | ok |
| 22:47.28 | nvz | stoned: yeah well I'm out of weed or I;d just get stoned and say fuck it |
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| 22:47.37 | JordiGH | nuxis: It seems that the option is in unstable, but not in etch. |
| 22:47.46 | JordiGH | nvz: My sympathies. |
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| 22:48.07 | nuxis | ok restart x brb |
| 22:48.10 | _2intense | hello debianers |
| 22:48.35 | stoned | !info xserver-xorg-driver-radeon |
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| 22:48.39 | nuxis | ok x runs |
| 22:48.45 | nuxis | now see if I can play a game |
| 22:48.56 | stoned | Conflicts: xserver-xorg-video-atimisc, xserver-xorg-driver-r128, xserver-xorg-driver-radeon |
| 22:49.00 | JordiGH | nuxis: You may need to install mesa-utils |
| 22:49.04 | stoned | i knew I'd once seen the radeon driver package alongside ati |
| 22:49.12 | stoned | maybe its gone now |
| 22:49.19 | JordiGH | stoned: radeon is a "subdriver" of ati, wtf that means. |
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| 22:49.53 | stoned | xserver-xorg-video-ati conflicts with the radeon driver package |
| 22:49.58 | stoned | wtf |
| 22:50.04 | nuxis | JordiGH, yea game doesn't run |
| 22:50.17 | stoned | maybe I should upgrade its been 7 months and I have not even updated this sid ox |
| 22:50.19 | JordiGH | nuxis: What was your card again? |
| 22:50.23 | Sebboh | Hi.. I've got segfaults in some postinst scripts.. I put a log here: http://pastebin.com/d19c5bdb0 .. What is going on here? |
| 22:50.24 | stoned | maybe that is why its showing me crazy info |
| 22:50.30 | nuxis | JordiGH, ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 |
| 22:50.32 | stoned | because this sid box has a radeon m obility card |
| 22:50.38 | JordiGH | nuxis: Oh, a laptop. |
| 22:50.48 | nuxis | JordiGH, yea soz I didn't tell you that |
| 22:51.00 | stoned | anyway, whatever, I knew i'd seen ati AND radeon drivers seperately |
| 22:51.06 | JordiGH | nuxis: Not all radeon cards are supported by the radeon driver. It's also a fun exercise to figure out what the actual chipset of your card is. |
| 22:51.14 | stoned | so aslong we have established that stoned isn't loco ;) we're set |
| 22:51.16 | nuxis | JordiGH, pff :( xD |
| 22:51.36 | nuxis | well JordiGH fglrx .. |
| 22:51.45 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.46 | JordiGH | nuxis: No, wait. |
| 22:51.49 | stoned | I _have_ to use fglrx becuase my card isn't supported by free drivers |
| 22:51.56 | nuxis | I tried to install that and every thing wass well til I try to modprobe fglrx it |
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| 22:52.03 | dkr | I manually ran make-ssl-cert and edited the conf, so I can start apache. But the package is still in faield config state. and I can't run dpkg-reconfigure because ofi tnot being full yinstalled. but if I install again, I get the error with syntax and missing cert |
| 22:52.06 | JordiGH | nuxis: fglrx doesn't always work. I've had at least one install where fglrx completely trashed the configs. |
| 22:52.09 | Sebboh | stoned, nuxis, there are drivers called ati, rage128, and radeon, I know that. On my radeon card, the ati driver works.. but the radeon driver is better. |
| 22:52.23 | azeem | Sebboh: there's no ati driver |
| 22:52.29 | stoned | ? |
| 22:52.33 | nuxis | Sebboh, doesn't make any difference for my games |
| 22:52.36 | azeem | it's just a wrapper which calls the radeon driver |
| 22:52.40 | JordiGH | nuxis: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=525964 |
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| 22:53.01 | JordiGH | azeem: Then why did I have to change the name or otherwise wouldn't get the cards working? |
| 22:53.04 | Sebboh | azeem, ok. |
| 22:53.12 | stoned | 06:39 < stoned> ati loads radeon |
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| 22:53.23 | stoned | listen to the stoned guy once in a while |
| 22:53.25 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:53.27 | grendal_prime | this is making me crazy |
| 22:53.29 | azeem | JordiGH: because you did something else along |
| 22:53.39 | JordiGH | nuxis: Also, aptitude install mesa-utils |
| 22:53.43 | azeem | JordiGH: or you changed from vesa or fglrx to radeon, not ati |
| 22:53.45 | grendal_prime | i just want vlc to automatically start a dvd when its inserted.. |
| 22:53.51 | Sebboh | I could have sworn that I had crappy performance when I had 'ati' in the config. ;) Must have been some other problem. |
| 22:53.52 | JordiGH | azeem: No. I didn't. Seven machines. All I did was change "ati" to "radeon". |
| 22:53.58 | nuxis | JordiGH, ok I will try to use the fglrx module |
| 22:54.02 | nuxis | and the mesa utils sec |
| 22:54.04 | JordiGH | nuxis: No! |
| 22:54.10 | nuxis | euh .. ok :D |
| 22:54.11 | JordiGH | nuxis: Read the forum post I gave you. |
| 22:54.14 | stoned | grendal_prime: maybe your desktop env. can do it for you |
| 22:54.17 | nuxis | I'm reading it |
| 22:54.24 | JordiGH | nuxis: fglrx doesn't support your card and it's just likely to cause more problems. |
| 22:54.25 | stoned | grendal_prime: I have setup kde to lunch mplayer to open the dvd when inserted |
| 22:54.31 | nuxis | oooow |
| 22:54.39 | stoned | im the opposite |
| 22:54.49 | stoned | my card is only supported by vesa or fglrx |
| 22:55.07 | stoned | nothing else works, ever. X1900XT |
| 22:55.19 | Sebboh | I want some software to ping the production server at work every 10 minutes and email me if it doesn't get a reply. Suggestions? |
| 22:55.25 | nuxis | so JordiGH just use the radeon driver.. |
| 22:55.25 | azeem | stoned: well, don't buy ati, d'oh |
| 22:55.34 | stoned | azeem: I learned my lesson :) |
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| 22:55.49 | dkr | Sebboh: mon or sysmon |
| 22:56.08 | stoned | Sebboh: probably write a script to do it |
| 22:56.59 | grendal_prime | ya but i really like vlc...did you do it with the..little autolaunch tool in kde.. |
| 22:57.01 | dkr | it's a more complicated task than you'd think at first blush, you don't want to be notified that productions server is down if your local net connectiong goes down. so you need a dependency tree of tests |
| 22:57.15 | grendal_prime | what do you put in under command in there... |
| 22:57.19 | JordiGH | nuxis: Yeah. Radeon driver. |
| 22:57.36 | nuxis | JordiGH, but my games are the same with ati and radeon.. |
| 22:57.36 | stoned | grendal_prime: i can't recall, ask in #kde |
| 22:57.47 | stoned | grendal_prime: I have not had to reconfigure /home/stoned in like 1 year |
| 22:57.51 | nuxis | I installed mesa-utils |
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| 22:57.59 | JordiGH | nuxis: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 22:58.20 | nuxis | direct rendering: No |
| 22:58.25 | JordiGH | nuxis: We may need to tweak your settings to get DRI. Might have to lower the depth, for example. |
| 22:58.25 | nuxis | well that could be a problem :D |
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| 22:58.37 | stoned | is the dri module loaded? |
| 22:58.39 | azeem | do you have the radeon kernel module loaded? |
| 22:58.41 | nuxis | nope |
| 22:58.48 | azeem | drm actually |
| 22:58.57 | JordiGH | OH NOES DRM!! |
| 22:58.58 | stoned | no in xorg.conf |
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| 22:59.01 | JordiGH | (sorry) |
| 22:59.02 | stoned | have dri and glx loaded? |
| 22:59.03 | azeem | ah, that |
| 22:59.15 | Sebboh | dkr, I don't mind getting emailed if the local net goes down. that's a problem, too. ;) |
| 22:59.16 | nuxis | dri and glx loaden but not drm |
| 22:59.33 | Sebboh | dkr, anyway, if the local net goes down, no email. =P |
| 22:59.37 | stoned | hmm |
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| 23:00.00 | JordiGH | So, I still need help with NIS myself. I'm kinda stuck here where it doesn't work, and I don't know how to begin diagnosing the problem. |
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| 23:00.03 | azeem | nuxis: lsmod | grep radeon |
| 23:00.21 | azeem | nuxis: as root |
| 23:00.25 | stoned | azeem: but without the module loaded X would fail to load with no screens error |
| 23:00.29 | dkr | Sebboh: most monitoring software have ways to plug into a modem to send pages as well as mails |
| 23:00.32 | nuxis | radeon 99744 2 drm 61332 3 radeon |
| 23:00.37 | stoned | azeem: so it is loaded |
| 23:00.39 | nuxis | so drm is loaden I think |
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| 23:02.19 | azeem | nuxis: check /var/log/Xorg*log for (EE) |
| 23:02.41 | nuxis | http://www.pastebin.ca/669683 post of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf if that help |
| 23:03.18 | JordiGH | nuxis: "man radeon" suggests that your chipset is RV200 and that it is supported. I mean, assuming that "mobility" doesn't mean anything. |
| 23:03.22 | nuxis | O_o azeem permission denied and I am root |
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| 23:03.59 | nuxis | JordiGH, yea I think it is RV200 |
| 23:04.00 | JordiGH | nuxis: You don't have to be root. "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" |
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| 23:04.53 | nuxis | no EE there |
| 23:05.42 | azeem | nuxis: then look for dri or radeon and see whether something comes up |
| 23:05.49 | JordiGH | nuxis: Look for (WW) |
| 23:06.57 | nuxis | (--) RADEON(0): Chipset: "ATI Radeon Mobility M7 LW (AGP)" (ChipID = 0x4c57) |
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| 23:07.00 | nuxis | this is good I hope |
| 23:07.21 | nuxis | (II) RADEON(0): [dri] Found DRI library version 1.2.0 and kernel module version 1.25.0 |
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| 23:08.06 | nuxis | nothing WW |
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| 23:09.05 | azeem | nuxis: that's quite unlikely, I have 52 WW in there e.g. |
| 23:09.10 | JordiGH | nuxis: See if there are any messages about not having enough resources to do something. Alternatively, just try to simply lower the resolution or depth and see if that works. |
| 23:10.04 | JordiGH | Hm, alright. It appears that my NIS client is talking with server. At least, it obviously managed to find the server's /etc/hosts file. |
| 23:10.34 | nuxis | well I will play a bit with dplg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:10.53 | JordiGH | nuxis: I don't think that will help in this case... |
| 23:10.54 | azeem | nuxis: or pastebin your Xorg log file |
| 23:11.05 | JordiGH | nuxis: Yeah, pastebin. |
| 23:11.09 | nuxis | ok sec |
| 23:11.13 | mesof | nuxis: dpkg? |
| 23:11.16 | nuxis | I found some ww but nothin seriously |
| 23:11.18 | nuxis | mesof, yea |
| 23:11.45 | JordiGH | nuxis: Of course nothing serious. Your display loaded, didn't it? ;-) You just don't have direct rendering. |
| 23:11.54 | nuxis | :D |
| 23:12.14 | nuxis | well can't I do "Load direct rendering fuck*** computer" |
| 23:12.16 | nuxis | xD |
| 23:12.35 | nuxis | http://www.pastebin.ca/669695 |
| 23:13.11 | JordiGH | That's funny. Self-censor the affix, not the root. |
| 23:13.24 | JordiGH | The root has the meat of that word. :-) |
| 23:13.30 | nuxis | :D |
| 23:14.27 | azeem | nuxis: what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say? |
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| 23:14.54 | nuxis | that the direct rendering not is loaded .. |
| 23:15.08 | JordiGH | That's weird. "direct rendering enabled" says the log. |
| 23:15.12 | nuxis | xD |
| 23:15.19 | nuxis | citix-laptop:/home/nuxis/Linux-i386# glxinfo | grep direct |
| 23:15.19 | nuxis | direct rendering: No |
| 23:15.33 | nuxis | logs lies :D |
| 23:15.39 | azeem | is this via ssh? |
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| 23:15.43 | nuxis | nope |
| 23:15.48 | nuxis | I'm on the computer now |
| 23:15.51 | azeem | try without root |
| 23:16.02 | azeem | oh |
| 23:16.10 | azeem | nuxis: try apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 23:16.14 | nuxis | the same |
| 23:16.28 | azeem | is that installed? |
| 23:16.31 | nuxis | yep |
| 23:16.35 | azeem | no idea then |
| 23:16.58 | nuxis | :( |
| 23:17.31 | JordiGH | nuxis: Uh, how come you had to logout last time you restarted X? |
| 23:17.45 | JordiGH | nuxis: And you didn't logout right now to try what azeem said? |
| 23:17.48 | nuxis | because I was running irssi ... |
| 23:17.57 | JordiGH | nuxis: Oh. |
| 23:18.09 | nuxis | how the hell can I talk else to you guys :D |
| 23:18.23 | JordiGH | Different, stable machine. :-) |
| 23:18.34 | JordiGH | Okay, so you're saying that Ubuntu on this very same machine gave you hardware accel? |
| 23:18.36 | nuxis | all my other comps are off :D |
| 23:18.42 | nuxis | yep |
| 23:18.48 | nuxis | I could play my games on it nice |
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| 23:19.06 | JordiGH | nuxis: And you used fglrx? |
| 23:19.12 | nuxis | dunno about that |
| 23:19.27 | JordiGH | nuxis: Well, did you have to use Ubuntu's restricted drivers? |
| 23:19.31 | nuxis | nope |
| 23:19.43 | JordiGH | Then you didn't. |
| 23:19.46 | JordiGH | hrrrmmm... |
| 23:19.56 | JordiGH | I'm pretty sure there's something you have to tweak in xorg.conf |
| 23:20.06 | nuxis | yea me too but what :D |
| 23:20.09 | JordiGH | Just for shits and giggles, lower your default depth. |
| 23:20.16 | nuxis | maybe drm.. but I don't think... |
| 23:20.23 | nuxis | sure thing boss |
| 23:20.31 | JordiGH | Well, the radeon driver has a bunch of options. We could try playing with those. |
| 23:20.33 | nuxis | xD soz |
| 23:21.01 | nuxis | ok but then I start my computer because else i logout whole the time :D |
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| 23:21.27 | JordiGH | Right. |
| 23:21.29 | nuxis | I'm running on depth 24 now |
| 23:21.39 | JordiGH | nuxis: Try 16 |
| 23:21.40 | nuxis | change it to 16 ..? |
| 23:21.42 | nuxis | :D |
| 23:21.44 | JordiGH | Yes |
| 23:22.11 | nuxis | sec start xchat on comp |
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| 23:22.15 | JordiGH | I can't even notice the difference myself between 16 and 24, but then again, I'm a guy. Girls tell me I have fewer rods and cones in my eyes, or something. |
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| 23:22.32 | stoned | wow |
| 23:22.34 | stoned | girls actually talk to you? |
| 23:22.40 | JordiGH | stoned: Imagine that! |
| 23:22.41 | stoned | ;) |
| 23:22.42 | stoned | j/k |
| 23:22.48 | nuxis | xD |
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| 23:23.00 | nuxis | ok restart x |
| 23:23.19 | nuxis_ | okay it works now lets see |
| 23:23.35 | JordiGH | ? Really? direct rendering works now? |
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| 23:23.44 | Nuxis | nope |
| 23:23.48 | JordiGH | Aw. :-( |
| 23:23.49 | Nuxis | xD my screen works |
| 23:23.51 | Nuxis | :p |
| 23:24.01 | Nuxis | direct rendering = no :(( |
| 23:24.38 | Nuxis | grmgrbl |
| 23:24.51 | JordiGH | Btw, are you trying to play Nexuiz on the lappy? |
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| 23:25.09 | Nuxis | nope Urban Terror and some games with wine |
| 23:25.24 | Nuxis | not many games but I just wanna get it working :D |
| 23:25.34 | JordiGH | Yeah, of course... |
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| 23:26.01 | Nuxis | I play the most time on my debian computer (nVIDIA GeForce FX5200) but when I'm at a friend .. :D |
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| 23:26.31 | JordiGH | Nuxis: Let me see how your xorg.conf is looking like right now |
| 23:26.48 | Nuxis | sure thing pff then I need to type it :( :p |
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| 23:27.36 | JordiGH | Uh, paste it? |
| 23:27.46 | Nuxis | yea now I'm on laptop on irc |
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| 23:27.49 | nuxis-lappy | :D |
| 23:27.54 | yosef | Hi |
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| 23:28.29 | nuxis-lappy | http://pastebin.ca/669708 |
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| 23:28.56 | yosef | how can I update to the Gnome 2.18, I downloaded the foresight-2.18.3-x86.iso |
| 23:29.02 | azeem | nuxis-lappy: what did you do? |
| 23:29.14 | nuxis-lappy | azeem, just change 24 to 16 |
| 23:29.18 | azeem | you removed the 24 bit line? |
| 23:29.29 | azeem | nuxis-lappy: but your DefaultDepth is set to 24 |
| 23:29.52 | nuxis-lappy | heeeuu :s |
| 23:29.55 | nuxis-lappy | sec |
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| 23:30.20 | Nuxis | laame me |
| 23:30.31 | nuxis-lappy | brb |
| 23:30.32 | elif | hi, is there a package to record my desktop screen, and export as flash movie ? thks |
| 23:30.41 | abrotman | yosef: wtf is foresight ? |
| 23:30.45 | abrotman | elif: istanbul |
| 23:30.53 | abrotman | dunno about exporting as a flash movie |
| 23:30.54 | JordiGH | elif: There's xvidcap. Exporting as flash movie... |
| 23:30.54 | azeem | yosef: ask foresight not us |
| 23:31.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: istanbul? Haven't heard of that one. |
| 23:31.13 | Nuxis | ok now it is set on 16 but sill no direct rendering |
| 23:31.16 | abrotman | !info istanbul etch |
| 23:31.19 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-3 (etch), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 233 kB |
| 23:31.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: that's cause you're a filthy kde user :) |
| 23:31.26 | azeem | abrotman: distribution by foresight based on rpath's conary package manager |
| 23:31.39 | abrotman | azeem: uhm .. so nothing at all to do with debian .. |
| 23:31.41 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'll have you know I'm using GNOME right now. |
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| 23:31.43 | azeem | indeed |
| 23:31.52 | abrotman | JordiGH: then you should know! |
| 23:31.55 | Nuxis | baah |
| 23:32.01 | Nuxis | I use a working wm |
| 23:32.04 | yosef | azeem: why you angry all the time? |
| 23:32.09 | azeem | yosef: I'm not |
| 23:32.15 | Nuxis | ion3 |
| 23:32.15 | azeem | yosef: you're just in the wrong channel |
| 23:32.17 | abrotman | yosef: your question has nothing to do with Debian |
| 23:32.48 | JordiGH | screen is the only sensible window manager. |
| 23:33.01 | Xenguy | bwahaha |
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| 23:33.03 | Nuxis | yosef, #gnome |
| 23:33.09 | Nuxis | JordiGH, xD |
| 23:33.10 | yosef | azeem: no , I'm not in the wrong channel |
| 23:33.25 | Nuxis | yosef, you are |
| 23:33.29 | Nuxis | ok what now |
| 23:33.31 | azeem | yosef: you asked about foresight in a debian channel |
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| 23:33.41 | Nuxis | oow :D |
| 23:33.41 | JordiGH | I have to get back to getting NIS working. :-) |
| 23:33.52 | yosef | azeem: no, I did not asked about the foresight my dear |
| 23:34.05 | yosef | azeem: I told you, I downlaod it , does it help me? |
| 23:34.05 | abrotman | <yosef> how can I update to the Gnome 2.18, I downloaded the foresight-2.18.3-x86.iso |
| 23:34.05 | azeem | 01:27 < yosef> how can I update to the Gnome 2.18, I downloaded the foresight-2.18.3-x86.iso |
| 23:34.06 | JordiGH | Nuxis: You could try playing with the options mentioned in radeon(4). |
| 23:34.18 | Nuxis | JordiGH, ok :) tnx for you help I will try to play some with my xorg.config |
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| 23:34.27 | azeem | yosef: what version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:34.38 | yosef | azeem: yes, right, that not mean the question about the foresight |
| 23:34.43 | yosef | azeem: 4.0 |
| 23:34.49 | abrotman | is 2.18 even in sid ? |
| 23:34.52 | azeem | yosef: why do you think random isos from the internet will help your Debian? |
| 23:34.56 | azeem | abrotman: it's in testing |
| 23:35.18 | yosef | azeem: what isos mean? |
| 23:35.22 | azeem | foresight-2.18.3-x86.iso |
| 23:35.25 | Nuxis | Howly smokes |
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| 23:35.29 | JordiGH | What's this /etc/shadow- file? |
| 23:35.36 | Nuxis | you download an iso but don't know what it is |
| 23:35.42 | azeem | yosef: if you don't know what it means, why do you download it? |
| 23:35.48 | Nuxis | JordiGH, it is the shadow file of linux to keep encyptred passwords |
| 23:36.00 | JordiGH | Nuxis: How is it different from /etc/shadow ? |
| 23:36.02 | azeem | shadow- , mind the - |
| 23:36.17 | Nuxis | it's a back up |
| 23:36.21 | Nuxis | i think :D |
| 23:36.27 | JordiGH | That's what I think too... |
| 23:36.28 | azeem | uhm, you think? |
| 23:36.51 | yosef | azeem: I though it's the iso image for Gnome, it called foresight, But it seems there is OS called foresight, a mistake |
| 23:37.05 | Xenguy | JordiGH: appears to be an identical file here, but with tighter permissions |
| 23:37.09 | abrotman | conversation dead-end |
| 23:37.11 | azeem | yosef: so you *do* know what an iso isß? |
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| 23:38.02 | yosef | azeem: iso? yea, ofcourse I know |
| 23:38.08 | azeem | ok |
| 23:38.15 | Nuxis | yosef, if you wanna update something in you system you can't do nothing with an .iso file, .iso = a image to burn on a cd |
| 23:38.17 | azeem | so why do you think downloading random isos will help? |
| 23:38.22 | JordiGH | Alright. It appears that NIS actually is working on some way on the client. I can log in even though the local /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow make no mention of my username. |
| 23:38.38 | JordiGH | But I tried adding a new user, and I can't log in as the new user. :-( |
| 23:38.50 | Nuxis | JordiGH, what is NIS :D |
| 23:38.57 | azeem | Nuxis: wikipedia |
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| 23:39.07 | Nuxis | aaaah the wonderfull wikipedia soz :) |
| 23:39.20 | JordiGH | Nuxis: Some ancient system for networking. I basically want every user to login into every terminal with their same configs. |
| 23:39.30 | yosef | Nuxis: azeem: yea, right , sorry, I downoad by mistake, I thought Gnome use to come with an ISO image data to burn |
| 23:39.31 | Nuxis | oow |
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| 23:39.44 | abrotman | yosef: why do you need gnome2.18 ? |
| 23:39.54 | azeem | yosef: no, Gnome comes as .deb via apt-get/aptitude |
| 23:40.09 | Nuxis | yosef, that's wrong :) if you wanna update gnome and you can't find anything in apt-cache search gnome2.18 then you probably need to compile it |
| 23:40.17 | JordiGH | Oh! It works! I just needed to run make on /var/yp |
| 23:40.21 | abrotman | don't tell him that |
| 23:40.24 | yosef | abrotman: I'm hopping to find enhancement for the exif data, because it's my current trouble |
| 23:40.35 | Nuxis | JordiGH, gratz I wish I have such easy things to solve :p |
| 23:40.37 | azeem | Nuxis: eh, don't tell people to compile stuff |
| 23:40.39 | abrotman | for exif data ? |
| 23:40.48 | Nuxis | azeem, I know it will become unstable |
| 23:40.48 | abrotman | as in .. your pictures ? |
| 23:40.55 | azeem | Nuxis: so why do you tell him? |
| 23:40.56 | Nuxis | but if he really want the newest gnome.. |
| 23:41.07 | abrotman | Nuxis: drop it |
| 23:41.09 | azeem | Nuxis: he didn't say that, did he? |
| 23:41.13 | Nuxis | azeem, dunno I'm just telling the truth :D now I say it will become unstable |
| 23:41.15 | azeem | Nuxis: please stop giving ill advise |
| 23:41.30 | azeem | Nuxis: this channel is about user support, not "telling the truth" |
| 23:41.40 | Nuxis | ok dude don't get pissed |
| 23:42.08 | yosef | abrotman: yea, exif dat, edit it , not view it |
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| 23:42.34 | azeem | yosef: there's no need to upgrade gnome just for that |
| 23:42.36 | yosef | Nuxis: what happened? |
| 23:42.46 | yosef | azeem: Ok |
| 23:42.48 | azeem | yosef: what are you using to edit exif data currently? |
| 23:42.50 | Nuxis | Yoda--, how do you mean? |
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| 23:43.06 | Nuxis | * yosef |
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| 23:43.18 | yosef | azeem: I'm transfering to windows Box, and use the exifer software, and then return it back to deb box |
| 23:43.45 | JordiGH | Okay! Now, to export NFS... Hm. I really should put /home on a separate partition for that, right? |
| 23:44.13 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:44.19 | Nuxis | JordiGH, or mount it .. or something like that like quota |
| 23:44.20 | yosef | azeem: exifer is nice software to edit many images exif and iptc data in same time |
| 23:44.33 | Nuxis | don't know how it is exactly |
| 23:45.16 | azeem | yosef: did you try apt-cache search exif |
| 23:45.22 | yosef | azeem: for example, I can select the option of (include subdirectories) and write the exif author my name for all pix the folders and subfolders |
| 23:45.57 | yosef | azeem: yea, I tried. there is some packeges, some of them are text |
| 23:46.16 | yosef | azeem: the best one I found, is the gimp editor, and it's not editing more then on in same time |
| 23:46.23 | azeem | yosef: why do you want to manipulate the data anyway? Do you want to credit yourself with photos you didn't take? |
| 23:47.02 | yosef | azeem: because the picture appear on search when you search for the tag |
| 23:47.03 | simonrvn | (possibility exists) |
| 23:48.12 | yosef | azeem: I'm using to edit the pix I take by my hand mostly, need to add the picture story, or the people inside to keep is as memory and easy find by search |
| 23:48.42 | azeem | what is "search" |
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| 23:49.13 | simonrvn | presumably some app he has to do image searches |
| 23:49.19 | azeem | yosef: why don't you use a decent photo management program, like f-spot |
| 23:49.25 | Nuxis | azeem, search = find something |
| 23:49.28 | azeem | it should be able to tag |
| 23:49.30 | azeem | Nuxis: dude |
| 23:49.41 | Nuxis | whatN |
| 23:50.14 | abrotman | i'm not even sure how upgrading gnome would have helped |
| 23:50.21 | azeem | Nuxis: if you "find something", you always "find the EXIF tags in yosef's photos"? |
| 23:50.23 | yosef | azeem: if you want to search for picture, you need to know the name, not the person inside for example, But with exif data you can find the picture easer |
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| 23:50.38 | CartoonCat | Hellos all |
| 23:50.41 | azeem | yosef: how do you search? |
| 23:50.45 | Nuxis | azeem, yea but I tought you didn't know the verbe "search" |
| 23:50.57 | azeem | yosef: what program do you use for that |
| 23:50.57 | simonrvn | azeem: that's a loaded question :P |
| 23:51.19 | yosef | azeem: just click on the main menu > place > seach |
| 23:51.20 | azeem | Nuxis: I'd use a dictionary in that case |
| 23:51.20 | CartoonCat | Ive got a odd one again, apt-get install apache2 failed to create /etc/apache2/ and all files under, any ideas if this is a apache bug or a apt-get bug? |
| 23:51.25 | azeem | yosef: ok |
| 23:51.25 | yosef | *search |
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| 23:51.28 | simonrvn | azeem: (i hope you know i'm j/k around right? :) |
| 23:51.46 | Nuxis | azeem, ok but just don't get pissed at me dude |
| 23:51.57 | abrotman | Nuxis: try being quiet for a bit :) |
| 23:51.58 | simonrvn | CartoonCat: er, IIRC that stuff is provided by the -common package |
| 23:52.00 | azeem | Nuxis: well, you're pushing it |
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| 23:52.20 | azeem | yosef: why don't you use a clever photo management program like f-spot, which has integrated tagging and searching |
| 23:52.22 | CartoonCat | simonrvn: Yes, and that package is installed |
| 23:52.30 | simonrvn | hm, sec |
| 23:52.45 | yosef | azeem: i'm in the website, I'll download it |
| 23:52.47 | simonrvn | updating sid right now, gonna be a bit slow |
| 23:52.52 | Nuxis | azeem, so wait because I think you asked a question and I answered it I'm pushing you. Yea that make sense |
| 23:52.53 | azeem | yosef: eh, apt-get int |
| 23:52.56 | azeem | it* |
| 23:53.06 | abrotman | CartoonCat: apache2.2-common |
| 23:53.14 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:53.21 | abrotman | CartoonCat: did you manually remove that directory at one time ? |
| 23:53.22 | CartoonCat | Unpacking apache2.2-common (from .../apache2.2-common_2.2.3-4+etch1_i386.deb) |
| 23:53.31 | simonrvn | CartoonCat: yeh, dpkg -L apache2.2-common shows it there, and it's on my / |
| 23:53.51 | abrotman | !tell CartoonCat about confmiss |
| 23:53.54 | thechef | I linked exe files with wine in KDE, and now Konversation executes exe-files directly if you click on a URL, but in my KDE Settings I configured that it has to ask what to do with the Exe-File before it is executed. Can anyone reproduce this beavhiour as it is not normal and insecure. |
| 23:53.54 | simonrvn | CartoonCat: well, it's unpacking, give it a chance ;) |
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| 23:54.32 | thechef | I use debian etch |
| 23:54.34 | CartoonCat | abrotman: Not that I am aware of doing, I <did> remove apache & apache2 with apt-get |
| 23:54.56 | yosef | azeem: http://pastebin.com/d41c67c79 |
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| 23:55.21 | Arrick | hey all |
| 23:55.23 | CartoonCat | simonrvn: well thats just it, it finishes, then starts apache2, and fails to start, ill give abrotmans info a go, Thank you |
| 23:55.38 | azeem | yosef: fun |
| 23:55.43 | yosef | azeem: it's aborted alone after i'm import some pictures |
| 23:55.56 | yosef | azeem: why it's funny? |
| 23:56.02 | simonrvn | holy, snapshot fro today |
| 23:56.04 | azeem | well, it shouldn't abort |
| 23:56.05 | simonrvn | from |
| 23:56.14 | Arrick | does anyone here have experience with debian on the Thinkpad t-60p notebook? is there compatibility with the fingerprint reader, and the wireless card? |
| 23:56.18 | yosef | azeem: i'm doing again |
| 23:56.35 | Nuxis | Arrick, what chipset for the wireless card? |
| 23:57.04 | Arrick | Nuxis how do I tell from windows lol, its the only one that came in it stock |
| 23:57.17 | zinx | Arrick: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 23:57.28 | sphear1 | I want to set up a backup system that tests if files have been modified and if they have, replaces them. |
| 23:58.00 | simonrvn | well thanks for the pointers to some apps. that istanbul i didn't even know existed. someone asked me to do something with google earth, and record it. now i can do that |
| 23:58.08 | Arrick | zinx thats the first time anyone has pointed me to such a detailed page like that, thank you very much |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | it's likely ipw2200 or ipw3945 |
| 23:58.09 | yosef | azeem: you cannot edit the images metadata in the f-spot |
| 23:58.20 | azeem | yosef: but can you tag them? |
| 23:58.22 | abrotman | simonrvn: sorry to make your life easier |
| 23:58.23 | CartoonCat | oh sweet, that fixed apache2's missing files, now, the config is corrupt heheh |
| 23:58.30 | abrotman | corrupt ? |
| 23:58.33 | Nuxis | cua |
| 23:58.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 23:58.39 | Supaplex|roaming | Arrick: msinfo32 might help. |
| 23:58.47 | yosef | azeem: then I will not be able to view the metatdata only on this program |
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| 23:59.01 | azeem | yosef: probably, yeah :-/ |
| 23:59.19 | CartoonCat | abrotman: corrupt is a bad term, misconfigured |
| 23:59.25 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:59.31 | yosef | azeem: yea, I know, you see , hehe |
| 23:59.34 | Arrick | Supaplex|roaming here I am a windows network admin and I have never seen that screen before lol |
