| 00:00.19 | abrotman | Arrick: well .. it's not something you can click to ... |
| 00:00.29 | simonrvn | (pff hehe) |
| 00:00.50 | Supaplex|roaming | all that wasted money on MCSE |
| 00:01.04 | simonrvn | Supaplex|roaming: GMAFTA ;) |
| 00:01.07 | Arrick | abrotman uhmm, I dont click to a lot on windws |
| 00:01.09 | CartoonCat | mmm, ok is there a way to force a reisntall of all apache2 ? I had to do the -common then the apache2 packages, the reverse order failed, this order seams to assume some package is being isntalled but is not, or, missing configs |
| 00:01.16 | abrotman | Arrick: it was a joke |
| 00:01.33 | abrotman | CartoonCat: purge them all .. then reinstall them all |
| 00:02.05 | Supaplex|roaming | simonrvn: :) |
| 00:02.08 | yosef | azeem: time to sleep, thank you for help, takecare |
| 00:02.18 | simonrvn | yosef: good luck |
| 00:02.26 | yosef | thank you simonrvn |
| 00:02.28 | CartoonCat | well, how do i know what "all" is? purging just apache2 will not get all the packages that depend on it, onlys its depends |
| 00:02.31 | azeem | yosef: bye |
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| 00:02.58 | abrotman | CartoonCat: dpkg -l apache* |
| 00:03.21 | abrotman | (though i'd just fix the config) |
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| 00:04.34 | Arrick | wireless card is Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Mini-PCI Express Adapter |
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| 00:04.51 | zinx | Arrick: http://intellinuxwireless.org/ |
| 00:05.13 | JordiGH | Woohoo! It's done! The first client is setup! |
| 00:05.24 | zinx | Arrick: they aren't in debian currently, unfortunately, but they are easy enough to compile, though i think they do require the actual source package for some reason rather than just the headers |
| 00:05.33 | JordiGH | Alrighty... Six more clients to setup. |
| 00:06.00 | Arrick | ouch |
| 00:06.19 | Arrick | I liked the debian server install yesterday, was seriously considering it for my laptop zinx ;'( |
| 00:06.25 | Arrick | compiling isnt my thing though |
| 00:06.35 | zinx | Arrick: debian might have ipw3945 which is an older driver for the 3945ABG |
| 00:06.36 | Supaplex|roaming | !+listvals 3945ABG |
| 00:06.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3945ABG' by value returned no results. |
| 00:06.40 | azeem | Arrick: wait a while |
| 00:06.42 | Supaplex|roaming | !+listvals 3945 |
| 00:06.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3945' by value (4): killswitch ;; ipw3945 ;; ipw3945 reload ;; iwlwifi. |
| 00:06.56 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell arrick about ipw3945 |
| 00:07.03 | JordiGH | How can I tell adduser to chmod 700 directories it creates in /home ? |
| 00:07.09 | karsten | xscreensaver voroni hack seems to crash my X sessions. BTS has nothing, anyone here who can verify? |
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| 00:07.58 | Supaplex|roaming | JordiGH: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 00:08.27 | Arrick | ok, I am about to take my only GUI machine offline, how do I install irssi on debian server install? |
| 00:08.41 | karsten | Running 'xscreensaver-demo' finding the voroni hack, and previewing it should be sufficient. |
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| 00:08.44 | zinx | karsten: sounds like a problem with DRI/X |
| 00:08.52 | karsten | zinx: Possibly. |
| 00:08.55 | azeem | Arrick: apt-get install irssi |
| 00:08.59 | Arrick | thanks |
| 00:09.13 | JordiGH | Supaplex|roaming: Thanks. |
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| 00:09.42 | karsten | zinx: /var/log/Xorg.0.old has: Caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 00:09.53 | karsten | zinx: ... and that's about it. |
| 00:09.57 | Arrick | how do I run it now azeem ? |
| 00:10.00 | Arrick | lol |
| 00:10.12 | karsten | Arrick: 'irssi' |
| 00:10.16 | zinx | karsten: still sounds like a DRI/X problem, probably specific to your particular videocard and/or setup |
| 00:10.31 | karsten | Arrick: Alternately: irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n Arrick |
| 00:10.38 | karsten | zinx: Da. |
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| 00:10.58 | dakoo | finch |
| 00:11.15 | karsten | zinx: Speaking of which, any good generic way to find out what graphics driver is running on a given Linux box, other than parsing /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 00:11.22 | Arrick | how do I put the password in karsten ? |
| 00:11.32 | azeem | Arrick: what password? |
| 00:11.47 | JordiGH | Okay, and how can I impose quotas? |
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| 00:11.51 | Arrick | my nickserv password so I can identify? |
| 00:12.00 | karsten | Arrick: /msg nickserv identify <foo> |
| 00:12.08 | karsten | Arrick: ... once you're connected. You can probably script that. |
| 00:12.09 | Arrick | ok |
| 00:12.17 | zinx | karsten: not really, the GL/GLX vendor string may give something for GL-related stuff though |
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| 00:12.40 | karsten | zinx: And that would be where? Xorg.0 logfile? |
| 00:12.44 | azeem | karsten: better to parse the latest X.org log |
| 00:12.53 | Arrick | I must have screwed up |
| 00:12.59 | Arrick | it wont let me join servers |
| 00:13.12 | karsten | azeem: Dig. |
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| 00:13.23 | karsten | Arrick: What message(s)? |
| 00:13.31 | Arrick | none |
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| 00:13.35 | wfq | hi |
| 00:13.40 | abrotman | irssi -c irc.freenode.net |
| 00:13.46 | azeem | Arrick: what command did you type? |
| 00:13.53 | wfq | what is wrong with this cron's line? 5 1 * * * sh /home/user/cron.sh? |
| 00:13.54 | Arrick | i already types irssi |
| 00:14.02 | Arrick | now I need to join the server |
| 00:14.08 | azeem | Arrick: what command did you type? |
| 00:14.10 | abrotman | Arrick: then type /server irc.freenode.net |
| 00:14.12 | azeem | in irssi |
| 00:14.15 | wfq | I want this is to be sent every day at 5 past 1 in the morning |
| 00:14.17 | Arrick | ahh, forgot the / |
| 00:14.22 | wfq | does anyone know why? |
| 00:14.27 | dondelelcaro | wfq: it's needlessly verbose, but there's nothing really wrong with it. |
| 00:14.37 | karsten | azeem: Yeah, I'm finding a backtrace in there as well |
| 00:14.41 | abrotman | he's implying it doesn't work i gather |
| 00:14.53 | wfq | dondelelcaro, so how should it be the right way? |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | wfq: someone told you last week to take the 'sh' bit off |
| 00:15.17 | dondelelcaro | wfq: in the user's crontab, it should just be 5 1 * * * /home/user/cron.sh; |
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| 00:15.26 | wfq | uhmmmmmm |
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| 00:15.31 | dondelelcaro | wfq: cron.sh should be executable and should have a shebang line. |
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| 00:15.57 | abrotman | !tell Techi about root |
| 00:16.02 | Arrick | abrotman how do i flip between channels? |
| 00:16.07 | Arrick | i shouldnt be root |
| 00:16.10 | Arrick | thats me |
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| 00:16.15 | abrotman | Arrick: /win ## or ctrl-p ctrl-n |
| 00:16.21 | abrotman | Arrick: right .. don't irc as root |
| 00:16.25 | wfq | dondelecare you mean #!/bin/sh? |
| 00:16.31 | simonrvn | my `uptime' output not too long ago: note the "13:37" hehe. thought it was cute :). "20:12:53 up 21 days, 13:37, 2 users, load average: 3.89, 2.77, 2.00" |
| 00:16.39 | karsten | Arrick: /join #<channel> or /win <windownumber> |
| 00:16.40 | Arrick | hrmm, I didnt know I was root |
| 00:16.42 | Arrick | lol |
| 00:16.42 | wfq | dondelecaro, of course it is a bash script |
| 00:16.42 | garryFre | Tried to install Debian with net install disk. Used Nero, with data verification to burn the iso. It works fine until it hits the part about installing base system complaining about too many "Corrupted Files" to list. I think I may be doing something wrong even after googling. |
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| 00:17.04 | azeem | Arrick: what client are you using right now? |
| 00:17.08 | karsten | simonrvn: c001. |
| 00:17.17 | Arrick | this nick is xchat |
| 00:17.21 | Arrick | that one is irssi |
| 00:17.23 | ricosecada | simonrvn, why is it cute? |
| 00:17.26 | simonrvn | karsten: hehe |
| 00:17.33 | karsten | ricosecada: It's l337 |
| 00:17.37 | Arrick | how do i shut down irssi? |
| 00:17.42 | wfq | just one more thing |
| 00:17.43 | abrotman | simonrvn: you should tell dave2 |
| 00:17.44 | simonrvn | /quit |
| 00:17.47 | karsten | ricosecada: (leet = elite) |
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| 00:18.16 | wfq | is it possible the cron does not work if you set a task with 1 minute in advantage however you give 5 it get worked? |
| 00:18.18 | wfq | gets |
| 00:18.43 | JordiGH | Hm, I need to repartition my hard drive to separate /home from the rest of the stuff. This is why God created Knoppix. |
| 00:18.46 | karsten | azeem: zinx: the pisser is I'd just left for a group coffee, kicked of a BT download, figured "cool, this'll be mostly finished when I get back..." So much for that idea. |
| 00:18.48 | simonrvn | 1 minute is minimum, of course it works |
| 00:18.56 | azeem | heh |
| 00:18.59 | zinx | karsten: Whoops. |
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| 00:19.06 | Miles_Prower | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.11 | dakoo | lets see your crontab -l |
| 00:19.21 | Miles_Prower | bash: /usr/bin/lspci: cannot execute binary file |
| 00:19.26 | garryFre | I know there's a command to get the checksum for a disk, is there a command to verify the iso I downloaded? |
| 00:19.35 | zinx | where the heck is the m6502 hack in debian o_O |
| 00:19.50 | abrotman | garryFre: md5sum |
| 00:20.05 | garryFre | thanks. |
| 00:20.16 | azeem | Miles_Prower: lspci is in /bin on my box |
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| 00:20.43 | Miles_Prower | It isn't on mine. |
| 00:20.46 | Miles_Prower | Debian Etch. |
| 00:20.53 | simonrvn | pciutils |
| 00:20.59 | azeem | Miles_Prower: what does "file /usr/bin/lspci" say? |
| 00:21.00 | dakoo | /usr/bin/lspci |
| 00:21.04 | karsten | azeem: /usr/bin |
| 00:21.04 | abrotman | !find bin/lspci etch |
| 00:21.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lspci' (1): (/bin/lspci, /usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils. |
| 00:21.32 | Miles_Prower | /usr/bin/lspci: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 00:21.41 | simonrvn | oh, isn't that symlinked to /usr/bin ? |
| 00:21.43 | Miles_Prower | which is very odd, as I do not have a 64-bit cpu |
| 00:21.51 | azeem | Miles_Prower: how did you install it? |
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| 00:21.54 | simonrvn | that's the binary, not your cpu |
| 00:22.07 | Miles_Prower | I installed debian fresh from CD, netinst. |
| 00:22.13 | azeem | Miles_Prower: what does "file /bin/ls" say? |
| 00:22.33 | Miles_Prower | /bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped |
| 00:23.12 | azeem | Miles_Prower: what does "dpkg -l pciutils | tail -1" say= |
| 00:23.22 | dakoo | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model |
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| 00:23.35 | Miles_Prower | ii pciutils 2.2.4~pre4-1 Linux PCI Utilities |
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| 00:23.50 | azeem | Miles_Prower: not 1:2.2.4? |
| 00:23.55 | simonrvn | ah, the /bin one is symlinked to the real file in /usr/bin |
| 00:23.57 | Miles_Prower | No. |
| 00:24.08 | azeem | Miles_Prower: what does md5sum /usr/bin/lspci say? |
| 00:24.28 | simonrvn | (i would've done it the other way around, in case /usr was unmounted, but whatever) |
| 00:24.38 | Miles_Prower | e89d8739e436bf722668b838476d65cb /usr/bin/lspci |
| 00:24.48 | abrotman | doesn't match mine on x86 etch |
| 00:24.51 | azeem | Miles_Prower: ans "grep bin.lspci /var/lib/dpkg/info/pciutils.md5sums" |
| 00:24.52 | Miles_Prower | btw.. |
| 00:24.54 | azeem | and* |
| 00:24.57 | Miles_Prower | model : 3 |
| 00:24.57 | Miles_Prower | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
| 00:24.57 | Miles_Prower | model : 3 |
| 00:24.57 | Miles_Prower | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
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| 00:25.10 | Miles_Prower | oops, didn't think it'd multi-line that. |
| 00:25.15 | azeem | Miles_Prower: and "grep bin.lspci /var/lib/dpkg/info/pciutils.md5sums" |
| 00:25.18 | abrotman | it was multipline on your box |
| 00:25.45 | Miles_Prower | 71d24a1bb3c5abae921f644d89d6b126 usr/bin/lspci |
| 00:26.00 | azeem | Miles_Prower: when did you install, and who else has root on this? |
| 00:26.10 | azeem | did you compile pcitutils from source? |
| 00:26.14 | Miles_Prower | It was several months ago, and only I |
| 00:26.15 | Miles_Prower | and no. |
| 00:26.17 | dakoo | did you use that multi arch net install cd? |
| 00:26.25 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: is it web accessible ? |
| 00:26.25 | Miles_Prower | I didn't know there was one. |
| 00:26.34 | Miles_Prower | The system? yes. |
| 00:26.42 | Codenut | where do i go to learn the basics of the level of irc we are using? |
| 00:26.45 | azeem | Miles_Prower: run debsusms |
| 00:26.48 | azeem | debsums* |
| 00:26.51 | abrotman | Codenut: google 'irc primer' |
| 00:27.00 | Miles_Prower | no such thing |
| 00:27.05 | azeem | !installit |
| 00:27.05 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 00:27.10 | Miles_Prower | installing |
| 00:27.13 | Codenut | Thanks |
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| 00:27.17 | Miles_Prower | I'd already typed that |
| 00:27.18 | Miles_Prower | XD |
| 00:27.29 | Miles_Prower | the apt-get, before azeem;s ! |
| 00:27.48 | dakoo | the multi arch cd did not work on my amd 64, kept installing i386 arch |
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| 00:28.03 | azeem | dakoo: but it wouldn't install a single amd64 .deb |
| 00:28.35 | dakoo | azeem: nope, i let it finish the install and it was a complete i386 system |
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| 00:28.54 | Miles_Prower | It's running |
| 00:29.11 | azeem | debsusm | grep -v OK might be more efficient |
| 00:29.12 | wfq | by default debian set the time of the system as 0-23? |
| 00:29.13 | smacnay | Is there any benefit to making initrd kernels for a home machine? |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | might be ? |
| 00:29.25 | azeem | wfq: depends on your locale I guess |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | smacnay: is there any benefit to compiling your own kernel >? |
| 00:29.41 | azeem | smacnay: if you have to ask, you should just use the stock kernel |
| 00:29.44 | Miles_Prower | IT's going that way |
| 00:29.56 | CartoonCat | abrotman: I got alot of "Not replacing deleted config file ...." when installing apache, apache2 gives no erros but will not run, bad config (missing modules) |
| 00:30.07 | abrotman | CartoonCat: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | CartoonCat: or show us the errors |
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| 00:30.23 | CartoonCat | That is using the apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache |
| 00:30.30 | CartoonCat | ill pastebin, one sec |
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| 00:30.37 | smacnay | abrotman: yes, for there seems to be, as the stock .deb kernels load one particular module (nvidiafb) that I cannot blacklist no matter how many times I follow the instructions from '/msg dpkg info blacklist'. |
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| 00:30.54 | abrotman | smacnay: you could just delete the module :) |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | mmm .. brute force |
| 00:31.14 | smacnay | abrotman: true - although I was hoping to be a little more delicate. |
| 00:31.28 | CartoonCat | http://pastebin.com/m3afb3d15 |
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| 00:31.49 | abrotman | smacnay: so you compile your own kernel :) |
| 00:32.00 | Miles_Prower | http://paste.debian.net/35395 |
| 00:32.03 | abrotman | CartoonCat: touch /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 00:32.49 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: file /usr/bin/tcsh |
| 00:33.12 | Miles_Prower | /usr/bin/tcsh: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped |
| 00:33.26 | azeem | Miles_Prower: ls -l /usr/bin/{tcsh,lspci} |
| 00:33.28 | abrotman | CartoonCat: use that option you used for apache-common |
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| 00:33.54 | Miles_Prower | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 62552 2007-07-07 14:49 /usr/bin/lspci |
| 00:33.54 | Miles_Prower | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 348224 2007-07-07 14:49 /usr/bin/tcsh |
| 00:34.10 | azeem | quite dubious |
| 00:34.27 | dakoo | you need a reinstall, that system is suspect |
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| 00:34.49 | azeem | Miles_Prower: did you install/run some binary driver installer, e.g. from ati, vmware or nvidia? |
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| 00:35.01 | azeem | though I wouldn't suspect them to replace system binaries either |
| 00:35.14 | simonrvn | azeem: in prefs in f-spot, it has a "write metedata to file" option (default is unchecked) |
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| 00:35.20 | azeem | heh |
| 00:35.21 | simonrvn | azeem: meta* |
| 00:35.33 | Miles_Prower | Now, part of it is possible that the method I used to transfer things to this system from the old, screwed this. |
| 00:35.41 | Miles_Prower | old system was Athlon64 3400+ |
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| 00:35.48 | azeem | Miles_Prower: when did you do that? |
| 00:35.50 | witless | why does my LVM suck such gigantic dong? |
| 00:35.52 | Miles_Prower | I mounted old drive, copied things i needed. |
| 00:35.57 | simonrvn | Miles_Prower: very possible ;) |
| 00:35.59 | Miles_Prower | several months ago as well. |
| 00:36.08 | azeem | so not 2007-07-07 |
| 00:36.19 | Miles_Prower | that is way too new |
| 00:36.30 | Miles_Prower | I am attempting something, remove reinstall. |
| 00:36.42 | tomato | hi i tried all the apt-get install zorg and x-window-system and apt-get install update |
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| 00:37.14 | abrotman | tomato: and ? |
| 00:37.14 | CartoonCat | http://pastebin.com/m4f2a5298 |
| 00:37.16 | tomato | only think that works is tasksel and when i press g it says not scheduled |
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| 00:37.26 | CartoonCat | I forgot to say they both do it |
| 00:37.38 | azeem | Miles_Prower: 1. take the machine off the net, 2. see whether some programs listen on unusual ports 3. run a rootkit checker |
| 00:38.00 | Miles_Prower | Especially with how it's firewalled. |
| 00:38.09 | simonrvn | chkrootkit; netstat -pluant; |
| 00:38.10 | azeem | or try to remember why those amd64 binaries are there |
| 00:38.50 | abrotman | CartoonCat: and if you do the confmiss bit on 'apache' ? |
| 00:38.58 | tomato | do i have to configure something in debain to get apt to connect to debian servers ? |
| 00:39.10 | azeem | tomato: your network |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | tomato: an http source |
| 00:39.17 | azeem | usually it is setup automatically |
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| 00:39.54 | Miles_Prower | Azeem: also, removing the packages tcsh, pciutils and reinstalling, has replaced them with 32-bit binaries, it's working again. |
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| 00:40.18 | dakoo | cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep stable |
| 00:40.25 | abrotman | Miles_Prower: but it may not have fixed the root problem |
| 00:40.31 | abrotman | dakoo: and if he's pointing at etch ? |
| 00:40.56 | simonrvn | grep -E '(stable|etch)' ? :P |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:43.38 | tomato | is there a way to get lynx all i can do is ping google |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | tomato: what's in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? are there any http or ftp sources ? |
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| 00:44.24 | tomato | i gotta reboot to check , but i have a notepad |
| 00:45.03 | abrotman | tomato: if not .. you can add one with an editor |
| 00:45.25 | tomato | is there an editor command |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | like "deb http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/debian/ etch main |
| 00:45.32 | abrotman | " |
| 00:45.33 | semprix | nano |
| 00:45.39 | abrotman | tomato: nano or vi |
| 00:45.52 | semprix | !tell sources.list |
| 00:46.13 | semprix | !tell me -about sources.list |
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| 00:46.28 | semprix | !tell tomato -about sources.list |
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| 00:47.27 | smacnay | abrotman: I am compiling with make-kpkg. Thanks for the input. |
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| 00:58.43 | CartoonCat | abrotman: Now im getting a subprocess post install script error, so i guess that is progress |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | maybe |
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| 01:01.17 | CartoonCat | mm, ok debconf apache gave me a resonable error, fully qualifide domain name |
| 01:01.32 | kramed | anyone having problems with sid and nvidia this week? I just started getting Caught signal 11. Server aborting after an aptitude ugprade today |
| 01:01.38 | CartoonCat | -ied even |
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| 01:01.58 | Snitch | whats the package called that installs all the nessicary tools to compile a kernel again? |
| 01:02.09 | abrotman | !b-e Snitch |
| 01:02.10 | dpkg | Snitch: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 01:02.15 | Snitch | ahh |
| 01:02.16 | Snitch | lovely |
| 01:02.24 | Snitch | i ALLWAYS forget that |
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| 01:03.30 | Snitch | i love you guys ;) |
| 01:03.40 | abrotman | !hug Snitch |
| 01:03.51 | Snitch | heh |
| 01:07.23 | cafuego | And don't forget libncurses5-dev |
| 01:07.51 | kramed | is anyone running sid xorg with cfq scheduler, I changed to it today and my xorg wont start |
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| 01:11.32 | dondelelcaro | Azreal: you can either uncompress it and mount it (or use cpio, depending on what type of initramfs it is) or use mkinitramfs (or whatever you're using) to rebuild it with the verbose mode so you can see what gets added |
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| 01:12.57 | linuxtk10 | hey |
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| 01:13.12 | linuxtk10 | i have a .deb i am trying to install and it says it cant resolve dependcies |
| 01:13.25 | linuxtk10 | how cna i install a .deb and tell it to resolve as well ? |
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| 01:14.12 | dakoo | dpkg -i |
| 01:14.28 | asg | and then 'apt-get -f install' |
| 01:15.23 | linuxtk10 | huh? |
| 01:15.37 | abrotman | type it |
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| 01:16.14 | CartoonCat | abrotman: Any ideas why even with --force-confmiss that the httpd.conf is being left empty? |
| 01:16.29 | CartoonCat | or, is there a way ot get a very verbose listing of what is being done |
| 01:16.35 | semprix | linuxtk10, dpkg -i then if any depencies then as what the guys said type apt-get -f install |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | CartoonCat: touch /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | i'm not evenb sure it's supposed to have anything in it |
| 01:17.26 | garryFre | Does anyone remember how to get a checksum of an install disk? I got netinstall disks for deb, and the iso checksum is correct, nero said the data was correct, but I think nero is wrong, the install disk complains about corrupt files. |
| 01:17.27 | CartoonCat | I did touch it, thats when it went from "file not found" to a error, and yea it should have alot of config info in it |
| 01:17.39 | garryFre | The disk is mounted btw. |
| 01:17.52 | simonrvn | CartoonCat: no, just some coments on how you can use it for local mods |
| 01:17.58 | simonrvn | comments* |
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| 01:18.35 | CartoonCat | then where is the conf that tells apache where its /www folder, cgi, etc is all at? |
| 01:18.53 | dakoo | garryFre: are you asking about md5sum |
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| 01:19.09 | simonrvn | CartoonCat: apache2.conf |
| 01:19.25 | garryFre | dakoo yes. I used it to get iso checksum but can't seem to figure how to get a disk checksum |
| 01:19.33 | abrotman | CartoonCat: are you trying to use apache1 or apache2 ? |
| 01:19.55 | Edgardoweb | neo|s|matrix: hi |
| 01:20.01 | CartoonCat | abrotman: At first 2, now testing with 1, getting the smae missing conf errors |
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| 01:20.22 | dakoo | garryFre: you have to run md5sum on the iso file |
| 01:21.07 | garryFre | dakoo I already did that, I am asking now how to get the checksum of the burned disk cause the iso is correct. Thanks. |
| 01:21.17 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 01:21.17 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | jetscreamer: been down that road |
| 01:21.33 | semprix | CartoonCat, can you paste the error |
| 01:21.36 | CartoonCat | Okies, pulled down a default httpd.conf and things are a bit saner |
| 01:21.36 | jetscreamer | o |
| 01:22.04 | dakoo | garryFre: ah ok, well now you have to make it into an iso again, with mkisofs |
| 01:22.21 | garryFre | say dakoo thanks ! |
| 01:22.32 | Edgardoweb | !nelsonfx |
| 01:22.45 | Edgardoweb | ! nelsonfx |
| 01:23.13 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:25.35 | garryFre | Wow, this mkisofs program is a monster. all these options and I just want to convert a cd to an iso file. ... wow! My headhurts! |
| 01:25.37 | witless | when i run fsck on an LVM volume ( fsck -f /dev/mapper/vg-root ), i get "kernel panic: not syncing" |
| 01:25.59 | abrotman | garryFre: dd |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | !create cd image |
| 01:26.31 | dpkg | methinks create cd image is dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image.iso bs=2048 |
| 01:27.00 | garryFre | Oh yes, thanks dd, I know that one. Thanks! |
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| 01:27.30 | linux_stu | how can it be that the debian installation via dvd method requires 3 dvds? |
| 01:27.38 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 01:27.55 | abrotman | and most use the 150MB netinst |
| 01:28.11 | linux_stu | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:28.17 | abrotman | yes .. i know what's there |
| 01:28.19 | simonrvn | yes, and? |
| 01:28.27 | jetscreamer | dvd#1 or cd#1 is all you need |
| 01:28.28 | linux_stu | does that not show that there are 4 dvd iso's? |
| 01:28.29 | dakoo | there are floppies |
| 01:28.31 | jetscreamer | or a netinst |
| 01:28.33 | cafuego | yaaaaargh |
| 01:28.37 | abrotman | linux_stu: right .. use the 150MB netinst |
| 01:28.39 | jetscreamer | they others are optional |
| 01:28.44 | abrotman | you're at perdue .. use their bandwidth :) |
| 01:28.44 | jetscreamer | the others |
| 01:28.53 | linux_stu | i do have a bandwidth cap |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | ew |
| 01:28.58 | abrotman | bad uni! |
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| 01:29.14 | linux_stu | i will go with net install |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | linux_stu: if you use the netinst .. you'll download only what you need .. not 4 DVDs worth |
| 01:29.32 | dakoo | a clean system |
| 01:29.45 | linux_stu | good |
| 01:29.46 | linux_stu | that's what i want |
| 01:29.54 | linux_stu | i am doing the net install |
| 01:29.54 | dakoo | except for that exim crap |
| 01:30.39 | asg | dakoo: it isn't hard to install something else |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | and having an MTA of some sort is a good idea |
| 01:31.07 | Snitch | is "testing" a big buggered at the moment? |
| 01:31.08 | dakoo | yes but why force exim in the first place |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | dakoo: because that's what they picked |
| 01:31.28 | asg | dakoo: because postfix wasn't usable when the decision was made |
| 01:31.33 | abrotman | dakoo: would you be happier if they chose sendmail ? |
| 01:31.59 | dakoo | no |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | so what would you choose ? |
| 01:32.51 | dakoo | dos 4.11 |
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| 01:33.48 | Be_linux | how can i downloade debian lenny ? |
| 01:34.02 | semprix | Be_linux, its testing |
| 01:34.04 | asg | Be_linux: install etch and upgrade |
| 01:35.32 | Be_linux | i know it's testing is ther any CDs on the net |
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| 01:35.52 | Be_linux | i don't have etch |
| 01:35.56 | abrotman | so get etch |
| 01:35.59 | dakoo | never seen them, i always upgraded |
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| 01:36.40 | Be_linux | i don't have eny linkes in my source.lest |
| 01:37.04 | Be_linux | i don't have eny links in my source.lest |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | links for what ? |
| 01:37.34 | abrotman | !tell Be_linux about sources.list |
| 01:37.45 | Be_linux | for upgrade i only have links for mu 22 CDs |
| 01:38.14 | Be_linux | for upgrade i only have links for my 22 CDs |
| 01:38.37 | jetscreamer | !apt-setup |
| 01:38.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. No longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 01:38.57 | asg | !etch->lenny |
| 01:38.57 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 01:39.39 | abrotman | should be? |
| 01:39.42 | witless | is it possible to compromise a machine, install a VM package, and host the original OS as a VM? |
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| 01:39.45 | abrotman | isn't that soon going to be "must be" ? |
| 01:39.55 | abrotman | witless: wrong channel |
| 01:40.00 | simonrvn | it's pretty much 'must be' now |
| 01:40.07 | Miles_Prower | HOW I MOUNT EXT3? LOL </bored> |
| 01:40.16 | asg | Miles_Prower: man mount |
| 01:40.20 | Miles_Prower | XD |
| 01:40.24 | witless | abrotman: i want to know why i keep getting weird-ass errors whose google searches return posts on Xen mailing lists |
| 01:40.45 | abrotman | what does this have to do with debian ? |
| 01:40.51 | witless | the system is debian |
| 01:40.54 | simonrvn | >< |
| 01:40.59 | simonrvn | that much |
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| 01:41.26 | witless | and my questions about the errors themselves have been ignored |
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| 01:42.05 | asg | witless: yes, it's possible. Available evidence would depend on the VM package. A reboot will most certainly have occured unless the attacked is very skilled. |
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| 01:42.34 | blahdeblah | Hi. I have backports kernel 2.6.18-4 failing to build an initrd on sarge: http://rafb.net/p/Nne0Ak12.html |
| 01:42.34 | blahdeblah | Google has very little of consequence that is up-to-date, and mostly for people who build their own kernels, which i don't. Any ideas? |
| 01:42.54 | PingFloyd | witless: what error messages with google? |
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| 01:43.13 | asg | blahdeblah: you could always upgrade to etch and get a 2.6.18 kernel for free |
| 01:43.15 | witless | when i run fsck on an LVM volume ( fsck -f /dev/mapper/vg-root ), i get "kernel panic: not syncing" |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | is it mounted ? |
| 01:43.31 | asg | !mount abrotman |
| 01:43.41 | abrotman | !pkill asg |
| 01:43.43 | witless | EIP: [...] end_level_ioapic_vector |
| 01:43.47 | asg | !slay abrotman |
| 01:43.53 | abrotman | !fruitsmite asg |
| 01:44.10 | blahdeblah | asg: I have a lot of work to do before that's practical. |
| 01:44.17 | cafuego | nas:/pub 1.2T 35M 1.2T 1% /nfs/nas |
| 01:44.18 | asg | !qotd58 |
| 01:44.18 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 01:44.20 | cafuego | wootage |
| 01:44.22 | witless | basically LVM problems |
| 01:44.25 | blahdeblah | abrotman: Kiwis are birds, not fruit. :-) |
| 01:44.36 | asg | blahdeblah: they are also fruits |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | blahdeblah: and they are fruit |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | !kikismite asg |
| 01:45.00 | cafuego | blahdeblah/asg: http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/3uNHzd.jpeg |
| 01:45.05 | asg | abrotman: Guerin must have got to that factoid |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:45.22 | cafuego | You are both correct. |
| 01:45.24 | dakoo | blahdeblah: you could use ---> mkinitramfs -o initrd.version kernel.version to make your initial ram disk |
| 01:45.27 | blahdeblah | cafuego: lol |
| 01:45.29 | abrotman | cafuego: i like the razor bit |
| 01:45.35 | abrotman | or is that a peeler ? |
| 01:45.37 | witless | yippee, fsck locks up the system again. |
| 01:45.42 | cafuego | Razor |
| 01:45.48 | Snitch | argh, are there serious depends problems w/ sid atm? |
| 01:45.51 | blahdeblah | dakoo: I did that. But every time i run aptitude upgrade it tries again and fails due to that error. |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | Snitch: it's unstable .. hopefully |
| 01:45.58 | cafuego | In addition, a new zealander is also often referred to as "kiwi" on say australia |
| 01:46.13 | Snitch | abrotman: having the same depends probs on testing |
| 01:46.19 | PingFloyd | Snitch: there is serious depend problems off an on all of the time with it. It's the nature of the beast. |
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| 01:46.31 | abrotman | Snitch: what problems ? |
| 01:46.50 | Snitch | libqt4-dev libsm-dev libxmu-dev libice-dev libxt-dev libice6 |
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| 01:48.33 | asg | darkstar: do you often get asked to /j #slackware? |
| 01:48.45 | dakoo | blahdeblah: these guys here disagree but because of these reasons i always compile my own kernel from scratch, but i also use a very minimal system |
| 01:49.16 | Snitch | abrotman - any ideas |
| 01:49.25 | abrotman | Snitch: paste the error |
| 01:49.35 | jetscreamer | !any idea |
| 01:49.35 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 three-legged weasels. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 01:50.51 | Snitch | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/669781 |
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| 01:51.53 | PingFloyd | Snitch: it's probably depending on a version of some package that isn't in the archive yet |
| 01:52.02 | abrotman | Snitch: uhm .. did you run an apt-get update ? |
| 01:52.10 | Snitch | abrotman: yes |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | Snitch: are you doing pinning ? |
| 01:52.20 | Snitch | pinning? |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | !info libxmu-dev etch |
| 01:52.32 | dpkg | libxmu-dev: (X11 miscellaneous utility library (development headers)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 1:1.0.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
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| 01:53.18 | abrotman | Snitch: you're trying to install packages from .. sarge i think |
| 01:53.26 | Snitch | mmm |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | Snitch: apt-cache policy libqt4-dev |
| 01:53.48 | Snitch | apt-sources.list says "lenny" |
| 01:54.06 | jetscreamer | there is no apt-sources.list |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | Snitch: paste your sources.list also |
| 01:54.23 | Snitch | will do |
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| 01:55.02 | zerokill88 | anyone know of a good link on how to install ipw3945 for wireless? |
| 01:55.09 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 01:55.09 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 01:55.16 | jetscreamer | !ipw...nm |
| 01:55.16 | Snitch | http://pastebin.ca/669784 |
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| 01:55.42 | abrotman | !info libqt4-dev lenny |
| 01:55.47 | dpkg | libqt4-dev: (Qt 4 development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 4.3.0-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 4278 kB, Installed size: 21996 kB |
| 01:56.02 | zerokill88 | ok will do that, do i just have to uncomment the contrib and non-free in the sources list? |
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| 01:56.24 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 01:56.25 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 01:56.39 | abrotman | !info libsm-dev sid |
| 01:56.44 | dpkg | libsm-dev: (X11 Inter-Client Exchange library (development headers)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2:1.0.3-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 01:56.54 | blahdeblah | dakoo: Re: compiling my own kernel - I disagree with you, too. ;-) I haven't done it in years. |
| 01:56.54 | abrotman | Snitch: that doens't make any sense :) |
| 01:57.02 | jetscreamer | !tell abrotman -about msg |
| 01:57.05 | Snitch | i know |
| 01:57.09 | Snitch | that's waht i was thinking |
| 01:57.14 | abrotman | tell jetscreamer about fuck off and die |
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| 01:57.22 | jetscreamer | !foad abrotman |
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| 01:57.30 | jetscreamer | !foad |
| 01:57.30 | dpkg | from memory, foad is "fuck off and die". Considered by many to be impolite. |
| 01:57.40 | Snitch | lol |
| 01:57.45 | blahdeblah | impolite? No kidding. |
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| 01:58.01 | Snitch | abrotman: suggestions? :/ |
| 01:58.08 | abrotman | Snitch: cry a little .. |
| 01:58.13 | jetscreamer | !suggestions |
| 01:58.13 | dpkg | methinks suggestions is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just say your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 5 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) use /msg to bots unless you want to make a point in public |
| 01:58.18 | Snitch | abrotman: check. |
| 01:58.25 | abrotman | Snitch: and yell at jetscreamer a little |
| 01:58.32 | xerophyte | i am trying to remount / file system to mount with rw .. its says its busy or already mounted .. how can i remount the / file system with rw ?? which is read only |
| 01:58.43 | jetscreamer | !remount |
| 01:58.44 | Snitch | bloody jetscreamer.. what the HELL do you think your doing?!? |
| 01:58.50 | abrotman | see |
| 01:58.50 | Snitch | abrotman: check. |
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| 01:58.53 | jetscreamer | !lart snitch |
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| 01:59.06 | abrotman | Snitch: the qt4-dev in lenny is depending on packages in etch apparently |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | erm .. sarge |
| 01:59.14 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
| 01:59.17 | Snitch | thats daft |
| 01:59.30 | jetscreamer | apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:59.36 | jetscreamer | apt-get -f install ? |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | wait |
| 01:59.41 | Snitch | jetscreamer: done and done :/ |
| 01:59.50 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 01:59.51 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 02:00.17 | Snitch | :/ |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | argh .. i can't even ignore him ... he's triggering the bot |
| 02:00.23 | mesof | how do i locate for a single word in an entire file |
| 02:00.24 | abrotman | fucking ass |
| 02:00.28 | abrotman | mesof: grep |
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| 02:00.35 | mesof | thanks |
| 02:00.39 | jetscreamer | ignore this |
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| 02:01.22 | mesof | abrotman: no i'm looking to search a directory for any file containing a word |
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| 02:01.35 | abrotman | mesof: grep |
| 02:01.38 | Snitch | mesof: grep |
| 02:01.39 | Snitch | lol |
| 02:01.46 | mesof | grep word didn't do anything |
| 02:01.52 | abrotman | man grep .. learn how to use it |
| 02:02.01 | Snitch | grep is very powerfull |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | Snitch: it seems the libqt4-dev in lenny is very out of date |
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| 02:03.40 | Snitch | mesof: grep -lir "some text" * |
| 02:03.42 | speeves | mesof: grep word file |
| 02:03.42 | Snitch | something like that |
| 02:04.47 | speeves | mesof: then do something fun, like greping your grep'd lines : grep word file | grep another_word |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | Snitch: ask #debian-kde .. see if they have a bright idea |
| 02:05.13 | Snitch | mmm |
| 02:05.20 | abrotman | if they're alive anyways |
| 02:05.29 | Snitch | what if i was to change the soruces back to etch |
| 02:05.33 | Snitch | and install those packages |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | i don't think that's it .. |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | i misspoke earlier |
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| 02:06.04 | Snitch | mmm |
| 02:06.33 | Snitch | just trying to get bacula working :~( |
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| 02:06.56 | abrotman | aptitude install bacula ? :) |
| 02:07.08 | Snitch | its the old crappy version |
| 02:07.10 | Snitch | with no gui |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | there's a GUI ? |
| 02:07.19 | Snitch | yah |
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| 02:07.29 | abrotman | even in lenny it's old ? |
| 02:07.32 | Snitch | its nice too |
| 02:07.33 | Snitch | yerp |
| 02:07.36 | Snitch | its up to 2.2 |
| 02:07.39 | Snitch | lennie is 2.03 |
| 02:07.47 | JordiGH | This is weird. My groups aren't being properly imported on my NIS clients. I thought that having a nontrivial /etc/group on the client was doing it, but after I emptied it and put "+:::" in it, same problem. :- |
| 02:07.51 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 02:07.52 | speeves | hey yall, what's the debian dev room? |
| 02:08.13 | abrotman | you were just in it |
| 02:08.18 | speeves | ah |
| 02:08.22 | Snitch | abrotman: i take it you've used bacula before? |
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| 02:08.22 | speeves | it just said expired |
| 02:08.28 | abrotman | speeves: why ? |
| 02:08.31 | abrotman | Snitch: just looked at it |
| 02:08.33 | speeves | so was confused :P |
| 02:08.41 | abrotman | speeves: what are you looking for in there ? |
| 02:09.04 | Snitch | abrotman: did you end up using something else? |
| 02:09.24 | speeves | abrotman: just wanting to know where it is when I am doing patches, etc |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | you're doing patches ? |
| 02:09.45 | abrotman | Snitch: decided not to use that sort of tool at all |
| 02:09.51 | speeves | done them in the past, mostly apache stuff, with some gnome stuff |
| 02:10.06 | Snitch | abrotman: went for the straight, HT and Tar commands? |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | you mean sending patches to the bts ? |
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| 02:10.14 | abrotman | Snitch: for now .. yes |
| 02:10.27 | abrotman | Snitch: well .. not tar |
| 02:11.01 | speeves | yeah, sometimes i was looking for an answer or some help |
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| 02:18.32 | rfmonk | my mouse pointer is behaving eratic, what might be the cause of this? (2.6.22-1-powerpc) |
| 02:18.42 | rfmonk | any useful links? |
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| 02:21.49 | bjorkimacg3 | rfmonk, what sorta mac do you have? |
| 02:21.57 | rfmonk | iBook G4 |
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| 02:25.09 | rfmonk | maxamillion, i know the feeling, i went from a sony vgnt350 to a $500 craigslist special |
| 02:25.42 | rfmonk | however its easier to type on this. |
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| 02:26.11 | abrotman | try another mouse protocol perhaps |
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| 02:26.24 | rfmonk | hmm, ok |
| 02:27.09 | duke3d | hey... how do I download the linux kernel using apt-get?? (the kernel version that debian uses) |
| 02:29.00 | abrotman | duke3d: apt-cache search linux-image .. find one you want .. isntall it |
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| 02:29.34 | duke3d | abrotman: i want the one that comes with debian.. because it worked best with my hardware |
| 02:30.06 | abrotman | do you have debian ? |
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| 02:30.15 | duke3d | abrotman: yea.. ahh |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | yes or no? |
| 02:30.27 | duke3d | I forgot to mention.. I want to source |
| 02:30.30 | duke3d | hehe |
| 02:30.35 | abrotman | duke3d: apt-cache search linux-source .. find one you want .. isntall it |
| 02:30.54 | duke3d | abrotman: thanks! |
| 02:32.24 | duke3d | now I dont know which one to choose |
| 02:33.36 | abrotman | there aren't that many |
| 02:33.58 | duke3d | lol.. there is only one I guess |
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| 02:35.23 | duke3d | abrotman: another question.. I want to disable some of the daemon running.. how do I do that? |
| 02:35.36 | abrotman | depends on the daemon |
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| 02:38.56 | duke3d | abrotman: 4 ports open here.. |
| 02:39.04 | Strogg | hey there, everyone |
| 02:39.11 | abrotman | depends on the daemon |
| 02:39.15 | duke3d | I want to close them since its mostly unnecessary stuff |
| 02:39.18 | Snitch | hmm gnome vs kde |
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| 02:39.35 | abrotman | duke3d: if you're going to be vague .. so am i |
| 02:39.46 | duke3d | abrotman: smtp |
| 02:39.52 | abrotman | leave it |
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| 02:40.07 | abrotman | as long as it's only listening on localhost .. doesn't matter |
| 02:40.18 | Strogg | I have an AMD64 and I'm running a 64bit debian install.. I have a non-deb package that seems to have crappy 64bit support. Can I run it in 32bit and have the rest of my system still 64bit? |
| 02:40.39 | jerbear | is there an easy way for me to transfer my gnome main menu from one machine to another? |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | Strogg: you can run 32bit apps in a chroot if you really want |
| 02:41.12 | duke3d | abrotman: ipp auth rpcbind what are those? do I really want them? |
| 02:41.25 | Strogg | abrotman: hrmm.. can I run a normal 686 debian install on a 64bit machine? |
| 02:41.47 | abrotman | Strogg: yes |
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| 02:42.09 | abrotman | duke3d: rpcbind can be killed by removing portmap |
| 02:42.15 | KurtKraut | I've just installed Etch on a acient hardware. How can I have 2.4 kernel, in order to save RAM space ? |
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| 02:42.29 | dakoo | ipp is remote printing |
| 02:42.30 | abrotman | KurtKraut: can't |
| 02:42.36 | dakoo | cups uses that |
| 02:42.43 | Strogg | hrmm.. maybe I'll give that a shot.. hrmm |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | KurtKraut: you can .. but it's not supported .. and not a good idea |
| 02:43.25 | KurtKraut | abrotman, hmm... I see. Thanks. |
| 02:43.27 | duke3d | KurtKraut: I know you from some place.. :) |
| 02:43.33 | ameyer | is 2.4 supported anywhere anymore? |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | ameyer: technically on sarge . but that's oldstable |
| 02:43.52 | abrotman | and maybe RHEL .. dunno |
| 02:43.59 | ameyer | well, supported in the newest version of any distro |
| 02:44.00 | KurtKraut | ameyer, yes... damnsmalllinux for instance |
| 02:44.07 | PingFloyd | ameyer: there's other distros that support it |
| 02:44.27 | ameyer | I don't think Slackware even supports it anymore |
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| 02:46.14 | ameyer | wow, there's still someone maintaining vanilla 2.4 |
| 02:46.21 | abrotman | sure there is |
| 02:46.50 | JeffH | are there any tools that look for tell-tail signs a machine has been cracked? |
| 02:46.51 | PingFloyd | yeah, 2.4 is still maintained |
| 02:47.14 | Strogg | JeffH: just check and see if php is installed |
| 02:47.34 | JeffH | Strogg: I installed php |
| 02:47.36 | abrotman | what kind of answer is that? |
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| 02:47.52 | PingFloyd | LATEST-IS-2.4.35.1 15-Aug-2007 08:34 |
| 02:47.55 | Strogg | hehe.. sorry.. it's getting late.. I get sarcastic at these hours |
| 02:48.08 | rfmonk | ameyer consider a bsd? |
| 02:48.19 | ameyer | I have to think 2.4 is getting near the end of the line |
| 02:48.50 | PingFloyd | JeffH: fcheck |
| 02:48.55 | PingFloyd | is one |
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| 02:49.09 | JeffH | thanks.. I'll take a look |
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| 02:49.19 | PingFloyd | but you really need it installed initially when you know the system hasn't been compromised |
| 02:49.22 | smacnay | what is the -dev lib for alsa? |
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| 02:49.54 | Strogg | JeffH: there's also rkhunter and chkrootkit |
| 02:50.05 | KurtKraut | duke3d, wherever I go someone says that to me :P |
| 02:50.09 | PingFloyd | yeah, those 2 are helpful as well |
| 02:50.22 | JeffH | Strogg: do you have experience with any of them ? |
| 02:50.56 | pickcoder | rkhunter is a good companion to chkrootkit |
| 02:50.58 | Strogg | I've used both, yeah.. |
| 02:51.04 | PingFloyd | I use all 3 |
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| 02:51.39 | JeffH | PingFloyd: you use all 3? Paranoid much? haha j/k. Why do you use all 3? |
| 02:52.04 | PingFloyd | JeffH: fcheck is different than chkrootkit and rkhunter |
| 02:52.24 | JeffH | gotcha. |
| 02:52.29 | PingFloyd | JeffH: the latter two are for looking for common known signs of rootkits |
| 02:52.45 | JeffH | gotcha. |
| 02:53.00 | PingFloyd | the former is to keep track of addition/deletion/modification and is difficult for it to be forged much like how tripwire works |
| 02:53.50 | solitude| | How secure is Debian sarge 3.1r5 after applying updates? |
| 02:53.53 | JeffH | I don't think I've been hacked.. but the truth is I don't know that I'd know the signs if I were.. |
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| 02:54.14 | PingFloyd | JeffH: that's where fcheck is helpful with determining that |
| 02:54.17 | solitude| | i noticed the vulnerabilities of older ubntu releases like breezy and was wondering if sarge had the same vulnerabilities |
| 02:54.27 | mo1991 | In Debian etch - is apache installed as user "nobody"? Please let me know |
| 02:54.37 | PingFloyd | JeffH: like if you see modifications that don't make sense, it could be a warning sign |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 02:54.40 | dpkg | tracker of doom is, like, a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 02:54.43 | solitude| | (i have an older system running a sshd, ftpd and apache, which cant run etch or 2.6) |
| 02:54.50 | ameyer | breezy's no longer supported, sarge is still supported... |
| 02:54.55 | solitude| | ah, thanks |
| 02:54.59 | JeffH | PingFloyd: makes sense. |
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| 02:56.21 | abrotman | solitude|: how old is it ? |
| 02:56.51 | solitude| | i just pulled it out today and updated it all. |
| 02:56.53 | PingFloyd | abrotman: thanks for the links |
| 02:57.02 | ameyer | breezy hsn't been supported or getting security updates since April, sarge is still supported and getting security updates until about next april... |
| 02:57.03 | solitude| | it was originally installed with the 3.1r5 netinstal |
| 02:57.15 | abrotman | ameyer: it's also offtopic here |
| 02:57.20 | abrotman | solitude|: i meant the specs |
| 02:57.26 | solitude| | oh |
| 02:57.35 | solitude| | dual pentium 3 550mhz, 640mb ecc reg ram |
| 02:57.47 | abrotman | that's more than enough to run etch with a 2.6 |
| 02:57.50 | solitude| | but etchs netinstal uses the 2.6 kernel, which doesnt work |
| 02:57.59 | solitude| | (i spent 2 weeks on this, it just ... doesnt work) |
| 02:58.07 | abrotman | oh .. the kernel doesn't work |
| 02:58.09 | solitude| | (its a dell precision 610MT) |
| 02:58.10 | solitude| | yeah |
| 02:58.13 | abrotman | i thought you meant the machine wasn't capable |
| 02:58.19 | troubled | mo1991: www-data |
| 02:58.20 | solitude| | nono, the machine is pretty powerful |
| 02:58.37 | abrotman | yeah .. i used to have a similar box |
| 02:58.38 | solitude| | weird thing is, i tried updating to etch, but keeping the 2.4 kernel, and i got the same problems |
| 02:58.41 | solitude| | silent hangs on boot :x |
| 02:58.48 | solitude| | nothing in the logs |
| 02:59.03 | solitude| | so im stuck with sarge atm until i think of something better. |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | compile your own etch kernel ? |
| 02:59.32 | solitude| | perhaps that may work |
| 02:59.37 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 02:59.37 | dpkg | For sarge with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 02:59.38 | JeffH | does rkhunter or chkrootkit get updates similar to a virus scanner? |
| 02:59.53 | solitude| | but i did a apt-get dist upgrade, and stuck with the 2.4 kernel and got the same problems |
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| 03:01.23 | solitude| | interesting, thanks abrotman |
| 03:01.28 | solitude| | ill give that a go later |
| 03:02.25 | ameyer | well, my lappy's somewhere near that old, and 2.6 works fine here... |
| 03:02.28 | abrotman | solitude|: i guess it could be something else .. did you try the noapic or acpi=off stuff ? |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | ameyer: i have a 486 with etch on it :) |
| 03:02.41 | solitude| | yeah |
| 03:02.50 | solitude| | booted with both, and no aic7xxx |
| 03:02.56 | solitude| | no luck |
| 03:03.13 | abrotman | do the debian livecds work ? |
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| 03:03.25 | Strogg | does it get to init or does it hang in the kernel loading? |
| 03:03.44 | solitude| | hags after vmlinuz |
| 03:03.47 | solitude| | hangs* |
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| 03:04.41 | Strogg | err.. after your bios messages.. about how many lines of text do you get? < 10, 10-25, or lots? |
| 03:04.41 | JordiGH | Hm, really confused with this NIS group thing. The clients are saying I'm only in my personal group, not in any other, yet the server does list me in all the groups I should be in. |
| 03:05.01 | abrotman | JordiGH: there's a good NIS book from oreilly IIRC |
| 03:05.01 | solitude| | Strogg, gets to grub, loads kernel, hangs |
| 03:05.06 | solitude| | err, lilo |
| 03:05.12 | JordiGH | abrotman: Library only has 1991 copy. |
| 03:05.13 | solitude| | with grub, it hangs on grub :) |
| 03:05.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: it hasn't changed much since then |
| 03:05.22 | solitude| | its a cranky old machine :| |
| 03:05.27 | Strogg | solitude|: are you sure you aren't trying to run the wrong arch? |
| 03:05.35 | solitude| | very sure |
| 03:05.40 | solitude| | i was running i686 |
| 03:05.41 | Strogg | I've had that happen to me before.. sounds like what you're describing |
| 03:05.44 | solitude| | (what its using now, and works) |
| 03:05.49 | solitude| | even tried i386 |
| 03:05.54 | solitude| | lol abrotman, lilo works |
| 03:06.04 | ameyer | actually, for what it's worth, 2.6 as it exists in both Ubuntu Feisty and Etch works here... |
| 03:06.04 | solitude| | its using lilo now, it fails even earlier with grub. |
| 03:06.09 | dell_lin | can i log all ssh activity on my server |
| 03:06.22 | abrotman | dell_lin: define "all" |
| 03:06.58 | dell_lin | i mean all user all commands and executions |
| 03:07.10 | abrotman | dell_lin: jeez .. why ? |
| 03:07.22 | Supaplex|roaming | to spy! |
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| 03:08.19 | dell_lin | no some third parthy package installer are want to troubleshoot system remoty |
| 03:08.27 | duke3d | abrotman: hey.. tried to compile the linux kernel.. no curses |
| 03:08.36 | abrotman | libncurses5-dev |
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| 03:08.46 | solitude| | keylog them! |
| 03:08.55 | dell_lin | how |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | that doesnt' even make sense |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | !info ttysnoop etch |
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| 03:09.16 | dpkg | ttysnoop: (TTY Snoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.12d-2 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
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| 03:12.23 | Strogg | there's nothing wrong with having your / in an extended partition, right? |
| 03:12.30 | Snitch | oh for gods sake |
| 03:12.38 | Snitch | gnome is broken too |
| 03:13.01 | abrotman | oh for god's sake .. if you want a stable system .. use stable :) |
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| 03:13.38 | Snitch | is there an easy way to downgrade |
| 03:13.39 | Snitch | : |
| 03:13.42 | abrotman | not possible |
| 03:13.48 | mad_muppet | hi I have just installed the base debian system after installing x-window-server I cannot startx .. I have tried to reconfigure the xserver-xorg with no luck |
| 03:13.50 | Snitch | weeee |
| 03:13.50 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 03:13.50 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 03:14.00 | abrotman | mad_muppet: aptitude install xorg |
| 03:14.03 | Snitch | *rumages around for netinst cd |
| 03:14.23 | KurtKraut | abrotman, how much RAM does your 486 with Etch has ? |
| 03:14.33 | abrotman | 36MB :) |
| 03:14.34 | mad_muppet | abrotman: thanks will do |
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| 03:14.48 | PingFloyd | mad_muppet: you need a wm or DE on there |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | PingFloyd: no you don't |
| 03:15.19 | Crypticfortune | why is it that whenever i boot up this relatively new etch computer it starts with a bunch of LOG/broken-stuff stuff in iptables that causes my network not to work? |
| 03:15.20 | R4M0N | guys, how can i load a module with a certain option on bootup? i tried to put "modulename option" into /etc/modules but it doesnt help. is there an other way? |
| 03:15.29 | abrotman | man modprobe |
| 03:15.53 | KurtKraut | abrotman, what stuff do you run on it ? |
| 03:16.08 | solitude| | etch wouldnt install with 64mb ram and no swap file for me :( |
| 03:16.10 | abrotman | KurtKraut: nothing .. it was my first PC that was all mine .. so i still hve it |
| 03:16.32 | mad_muppet | here goes ..:D |
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| 03:17.57 | fas3r | i have a problem with a radius. when i use ldd on my file i see it don't found one find ( it's not the good path ) it's possible someone explaint how to modify it please .. :( |
| 03:18.14 | fas3r | i know where it is |
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| 03:18.25 | PingFloyd | abrotman: I kind of doubt he wants to just run merely xterm etc. |
| 03:18.47 | abrotman | PingFloyd: you never know :) |
| 03:18.47 | Strogg | WMs are handy, but DEs are overrated, IMHO |
| 03:18.58 | mad_muppet | abrotman: I had the same problem .. screen goes black no response |
| 03:19.01 | abrotman | PingFloyd: or maybe he'll be compiling it! |
| 03:19.06 | PingFloyd | abrotman: that's true, but it's easier to just tell him to install a wm or de |
| 03:19.08 | abrotman | mad_muppet: check your X log |
| 03:19.19 | abrotman | PingFloyd: and IIRC .. xorg metapackage installs twm |
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| 03:19.37 | PingFloyd | abrotman: it probably does, but I don't remember |
| 03:19.40 | dondelelcaro | Crypticfortune: uh... etch doesn't install a firewall by default, so it's a package that you're installing that is causing it. |
| 03:19.53 | xjkx | Why does X leaves the port 6001 open? |
| 03:19.56 | dondelelcaro | (or your own custom log settings) |
| 03:20.08 | abrotman | or maybe that was the desktop task |
| 03:20.11 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: it doesn't by default, thouh you can have it |
| 03:20.30 | xjkx | dondelelcaro: what is it used for? |
| 03:20.42 | Crypticfortune | dondelelcaro: thanks for the confirmation, i thought that was it....i have no idea what's doing it though =( |
| 03:20.46 | Wyzard | xjkx: connections from X apps running on other machines |
| 03:21.08 | Wyzard | xjkx: X is client/server-based and can be used over a network -- run a program on one machine and have its window appear on another |
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| 03:21.49 | xjkx | how do i do it? :> |
| 03:22.17 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: you generally don't want it |
| 03:22.29 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: you should be using X forwarding over ssh instead. |
| 03:22.32 | Wyzard | xjkx: The plain X way involves setting the DISPLAY variable and using xauth to generate a "cookie" on the remote machine that allows it to connect to your X display |
| 03:22.39 | Wyzard | xjkx: but ssh's X-forwarding feature is preferable |
| 03:23.06 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: if it's enabled, then you should disable by adding -nolisten tcp to your /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc; or whatever you're actually using to start your X server (gdm or whatnot) |
| 03:23.10 | Wyzard | xjkx: since it encrypts the connection (so people can't eavesdrop on your remote X stuff), generates the necessary cookie automatically, and doesn't require the X server to be listening on port 6001 |
| 03:24.09 | simonrvn | plus you don't have this huge binary listening on tcp, that's running as root (to paraphrase someone ;) |
| 03:24.17 | xjkx | I will disable, but first I'd like to try a connection just so i see :P is it hard to do? |
| 03:24.39 | Wyzard | xjkx: Disable the TCP listening and use the SSH method |
| 03:24.58 | fas3r | nobody ? |
| 03:25.20 | xjkx | Wyzard: this ssh-xforwarding thing could be used as a vnc ? or its a different thing? |
| 03:25.26 | simonrvn | fas3r: it doesn't find what? a library? |
| 03:25.34 | simonrvn | fas3r: your question was a bit vague... |
| 03:25.37 | Wyzard | xjkx: sort of... it redirects individual windows, not a picture of the entire screen |
| 03:25.37 | fas3r | yes |
| 03:25.48 | Wyzard | xjkx: and you can't disconnect from it and then reconnect later like you can with a VNC server |
| 03:26.13 | fas3r | libcrypto.so.0.9.7 and libssl.so.0.9.7 but i have it .. |
| 03:26.30 | fas3r | i find it with locate |
| 03:26.31 | Wyzard | xjkx: Do you have a remote machine available that has some X apps (like xterm or whatever) installed on it? |
| 03:26.33 | simonrvn | fas3r: go see pdo, and type in the name in the search; you can find the proper library then and install the package for it. or you could tell us what the library is |
| 03:27.13 | xjkx | Wyzard: my father has the oldest machine ever, I offer him my machine (by vnc) but he uses win98, you think I could offer him with ssh-x and he could use openoffice? :> |
| 03:27.17 | simonrvn | fas3r: oh, sorry missed that |
| 03:27.23 | fas3r | simonrvn: it's not possible just i create symbolic link ? |
| 03:27.26 | simonrvn | fas3r: you sure? |
| 03:27.28 | xjkx | No, but this machine could be the "remote" server to my father's machine |
| 03:27.31 | simonrvn | fas3r: not that simple |
| 03:27.35 | Wyzard | xjkx: Yes, he could do that |
| 03:27.47 | fas3r | ok |
| 03:27.47 | simonrvn | fas3r: well it is, but you gotta symlink to the right file ;) |
| 03:27.49 | xjkx | is it faster than vnc? |
| 03:27.57 | xjkx | vnc is slow :p |
| 03:28.05 | mad_muppet | abrotman: I hvae a couple of warinings ..no frontpath specified and the directory /user/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist and the directory /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType does not exist |
| 03:28.08 | fas3r | simonrvn: i find this : |
| 03:28.17 | Wyzard | xjkx: You'd need an X server for Windows, such as Xming |
| 03:28.19 | simonrvn | fas3r: etch? |
| 03:28.25 | fas3r | http://pastebin.com/m74ed1c61 |
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| 03:28.42 | fas3r | unstable |
| 03:28.57 | Wyzard | xjkx: X forwarding is generally faster than VNC, since it's more efficient (VNC is basically just a continously-updated screenshot) |
| 03:29.26 | simonrvn | fas3r: well, that's wrong... i think you can still get 0.9.7, certainly recommendable to install 0.9.8 |
| 03:29.26 | Wyzard | xjkx: though both should be fast enough for a LAN |
| 03:29.28 | xjkx | Wyzard: what do i have to install? I am liking the idea |
| 03:29.36 | fas3r | it's good with ln -s |
| 03:29.44 | fas3r | now i have a new error ^^ |
| 03:29.47 | simonrvn | fas3r: it's wrong because they're not in any standard library directory |
| 03:29.57 | Wyzard | xjkx: http://sourceforge.net/projects/xming |
| 03:30.12 | Wyzard | xjkx: Install that, and I believe it has a "launcher" program that can be used to start a session using SSH |
| 03:30.26 | Wyzard | xjkx: Install an SSH client, such as PuTTY or the one from ssh.com |
| 03:30.27 | simonrvn | fas3r: Q: why did you install that manually? |
| 03:30.47 | fas3r | because i prefer ^^ |
| 03:31.00 | Wyzard | xjkx: Going into detail about it is offtopic here, and I don't have all the details memorized anyway, but Xming's wizard thing is fairly straightforward |
| 03:31.02 | fas3r | and i need eap_tls |
| 03:31.26 | simonrvn | fas3r: ah, ok. doesn't the debian stuff include that already? |
| 03:31.38 | solitude| | /s -m irc.ircd-hybrid.org |
| 03:31.39 | xjkx | Thanks. But why xming isnt in sources.list servers? |
| 03:31.52 | fas3r | i don't know .. before ( last year) i have test to install radius and it don't include it |
| 03:31.53 | Wyzard | xjkx: It's a Windows program -- so is PuTTY |
| 03:32.09 | simonrvn | fas3r: well that's last year ;) |
| 03:32.09 | Wyzard | xjkx: All you need on the Linux box is sshd and the X apps that you want to run |
| 03:32.17 | fas3r | yes i know .. :p |
| 03:32.21 | fas3r | but ... :) |
| 03:32.38 | xjkx | :o |
| 03:33.02 | Wyzard | xjkx: To do remote X on Windows you install an X server (the program that accepts connections from X apps and draws stuff on the screen) for Windows -- that's Xming |
| 03:33.38 | xjkx | Wyzard: Operating System: WinXP, Microsoft Windows Server 2003 aww, no win98 softwares? :> |
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| 03:33.47 | syberdave | how come debian doesn't have xorgconfig? |
| 03:33.55 | Wyzard | xjkx: hmm, maybe not, I dunno |
| 03:34.00 | simonrvn | doesn't need it |
| 03:34.15 | simonrvn | and i think it's there, but they may have removed it too |
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| 03:34.24 | xjkx | Thanks , will do some searches |
| 03:34.28 | linux_stu | i now have debian! |
| 03:34.34 | Wyzard | xjkx: but Win98 is both ancient *and* offtopic here, so you're on your own :-) |
| 03:34.39 | simonrvn | !congratulate linux_stu |
| 03:34.40 | dpkg | Huzzah linux_stu, you did it! |
| 03:34.44 | linux_stu | oh yeahhhhhh |
| 03:34.49 | linux_stu | lmao |
| 03:35.10 | xjkx | Wyzard: sure...but...[off] doesnt putty do this x connection? if so, putty is available for win98 |
| 03:35.11 | geo-rge | any amd64 folks want to meet me in #debian-amd64 and help me decide whether to open the boxes yet? |
| 03:35.31 | simonrvn | geo-rge: what, you got goodies? :P |
| 03:35.42 | geo-rge | I had goodies yesterday |
| 03:35.45 | Wyzard | xjkx: PuTTY handles forwarding the X connection securely across the network |
| 03:35.54 | Wyzard | xjkx: but you need an X server for PuTTY to forward the connection *to* |
| 03:36.02 | geo-rge | I traded a goody |
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| 03:36.20 | xjkx | Oh you meant I need both xming and putty then |
| 03:36.34 | Wyzard | xjkx: The X server is the app that provides the service of displaying graphics on the screen -- in Debian it's Xorg, and in Windows it's Xming or Cygwin/X (or non-free ones like X-Win32 and Exceed) |
| 03:36.54 | simonrvn | brb, food |
| 03:36.59 | fas3r | ok it's compilation probleme |
| 03:37.03 | xjkx | Thanks, will google something about |
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| 03:40.34 | Internat | is there an easy way to make it that any mail destined for the root user on my system gets forwared elsewhere? |
| 03:40.48 | KurtKraut | Internat, I'd like to know that too. |
| 03:40.53 | simonrvn | several ways |
| 03:41.28 | simonrvn | /etc/aliases; ~user/.forward; configured in MTA (3 off top of head real quick) |
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| 03:42.18 | Internat | aliases didnt appear to work |
| 03:42.46 | pickcoder | aliases is the norm for perm forwards |
| 03:42.58 | pickcoder | run newaliases |
| 03:43.05 | simonrvn | they do just fine |
| 03:43.09 | Internat | did that |
| 03:43.36 | simonrvn | Internat: so what did you break? :P |
| 03:43.49 | simonrvn | oh yummy bison |
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| 03:44.16 | lastnode2 | if i deboostrap etch now, which kernel will I get? |
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| 03:44.38 | Internat | it seems to be that if i send the mail to root |
| 03:44.45 | Internat | it appends mailname to it, which isnt right |
| 03:44.59 | Internat | even though i have root: root@properdomain.com in my aliases file |
| 03:45.04 | Wyzard | lastnode2: debootstrap doesn't install a kernel... that's a step you have to do manually in the chroot after debootstrap is done |
| 03:45.23 | Wyzard | lastnode2: but etch's kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 03:45.51 | simonrvn | Internat: seems it's not actually doing any alias lookups, or something is wrong |
| 03:45.59 | lastnode2 | Wyzard: so ill need sid for 2.6.20+, right? |
| 03:46.04 | musikgoat|work | hello, trying to mass modify all files in a filesystem to 664 and all folders to 775, whats the best way to accomplish that? |
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| 03:46.32 | musikgoat|work | the permissions that is |
| 03:46.32 | Wyzard | lastnode2: lenny (testing) has 2.6.21, sid (unstable) has 2.6.22 |
| 03:46.34 | dondelelcaro | musikgoat|work: use find+xargs |
| 03:46.34 | simonrvn | find and xargs. please don't do that on / ;) |
| 03:47.33 | Wyzard | musikgoat|work: Doing that on files belonging to the OS would be a rather bad idea |
| 03:47.54 | musikgoat|work | no, its on an FTP directory structure |
| 03:47.55 | lastnode2 | Wyzard: many thanks |
| 03:48.01 | Wyzard | ok, good :-) |
| 03:48.07 | cwheeler | yo |
| 03:49.29 | linux_stu | is there a line i can add to /etc/sudoers that would allow a particular user to sudo without a password? the only way i have found is through implementing the wheel group |
| 03:49.55 | lastnode2 | Wyzard: im on ubuntu atm, and deboostrapping in to another partition. deboostrap tells me that both 'lenny' and 'testing' scripts are unavaible? |
| 03:50.32 | simonrvn | probably because it's using ubuntu's dists... |
| 03:51.01 | lastnode2 | oh wait, it knows sid |
| 03:51.03 | lastnode2 | weird |
| 03:51.19 | lastnode2 | ok maybe not lenny, but it should have a script for testing? |
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| 03:51.22 | Crypticfortune | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:02.30 | mayeco | ops |
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| 04:08.22 | CWnut | have a good one gang |
| 04:08.29 | CWnut | nite nite for me |
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| 04:12.43 | geo-rge | Internat: usually mail server config under debian asks you what user root mail goes to... then you put a .forward file in that user's home dir |
| 04:12.58 | stoned | hi |
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| 04:13.15 | wooden | Is etch a 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:13.25 | stoned | alsaconf returns no errors, however when i try to use alsamixer I get alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 04:13.46 | simonrvn | stoned: anything in /dev/snd/ ? |
| 04:13.54 | stoned | also kde tells me that /dev/dsp does not exist or can't be accessed. User is in audio group |
| 04:13.54 | simonrvn | (gotta check ;) |
| 04:13.58 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:14.13 | simonrvn | need snd*-oss |
| 04:14.14 | stoned | nope |
| 04:14.18 | geo-rge | etch's a sketch |
| 04:14.20 | stoned | neither exist |
| 04:14.30 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:14.31 | simonrvn | for OSS; run this: |
| 04:15.03 | simonrvn | sh /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 04:15.11 | stoned | $>sudo alsaconf |
| 04:15.11 | stoned | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 04:15.13 | simonrvn | (might need to run in bash) |
| 04:15.34 | simonrvn | anything hogging the device? |
| 04:15.35 | stoned | Saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state. |
| 04:15.35 | stoned | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1253: No soundcards found... |
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| 04:15.43 | stoned | I just now installed debian |
| 04:15.53 | simonrvn | so no snd loaded? |
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| 04:15.58 | geo-rge | while being stoned? :) |
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| 04:16.07 | stoned | apparrantly not |
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| 04:16.16 | stoned | I figured alsa would load the modules |
| 04:16.21 | simonrvn | is there a sound card? :P |
| 04:16.24 | linux_stu | i am trying to install adobe flash player, but i get this error: md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 04:16.26 | linux_stu | is it a bug? |
| 04:16.29 | stoned | lsmod grep snd returns nothing simonrvn |
| 04:16.40 | stoned | lsmod|grep snd |
| 04:16.42 | stoned | etc. |
| 04:16.56 | geo-rge | alsaconfig? |
| 04:16.57 | stoned | i need to load which modules exactly |
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| 04:17.05 | stoned | alsaconf, isn't loading them |
| 04:17.06 | simonrvn | well, run that script... then run alsaconf; depends |
| 04:17.46 | simonrvn | snd will have snd-whatever as reverse deps |
| 04:18.04 | simonrvn | snd 52484 21 snd_rtctimer,snd_opl3_synth,snd_seq_instr,snd_sb16,snd_opl3_lib,snd_sb16_csp .... |
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| 04:18.45 | stoned | simonrvn: lol |
| 04:18.48 | stoned | 12:12 < simonrvn> is there a sound card? :P |
| 04:19.04 | geo-rge | is the sound card on the mobo? |
| 04:19.05 | stoned | simonrvn: running the script created the device nodes and loaded the modules |
| 04:19.09 | simonrvn | well, gotta check :) |
| 04:19.14 | stoned | if that is what it was supposed to do |
| 04:19.16 | simonrvn | hm, ok |
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| 04:19.26 | geo-rge | nm. you're ahead of that now |
| 04:19.30 | simonrvn | er, no, well, AFAICR |
| 04:19.49 | simonrvn | last time i ran that all it did was set up /dev/snd |
| 04:20.11 | simonrvn | squat squat squat |
| 04:20.40 | stoned | kwe kwe |
| 04:20.44 | simonrvn | :D |
| 04:20.50 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:20.53 | simonrvn | same to you :) |
| 04:21.07 | stoned | its cute |
| 04:21.16 | stoned | hehe makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside |
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| 04:21.28 | simonrvn | it's supposed to ;) :D |
| 04:21.29 | stoned | like in winter next to the fireplace in a thick sweater with your cat |
| 04:21.32 | stoned | in a rocking chair |
| 04:21.34 | stoned | hehe |
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| 04:22.53 | linux_stu | i think the flashplugin-nonfree is buggy |
| 04:22.55 | simonrvn | silly spammers. thinking they can execute AUTH with tls |
| 04:23.01 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:23.11 | simonrvn | er, without* |
| 04:23.25 | enouf | flash sucks ass |
| 04:23.27 | simonrvn | linux_stu: tell us something we don't know ;) |
| 04:23.48 | simonrvn | enouf: does it do it well, to your satisfaction? :P |
| 04:23.56 | linux_stu | is there another flash player available/ |
| 04:24.08 | stoned | simonrvn: hehe |
| 04:24.14 | enouf | simonrvn: indeed, i can poop on it anytime i like ;-) |
| 04:24.15 | simonrvn | gnash; some others; <-- gpl ones |
| 04:24.20 | simonrvn | enouf: hehehe |
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| 04:24.36 | enouf | stoney! |
| 04:24.40 | stoned | !dmm |
| 04:24.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 04:24.52 | enouf | pass the bong dude; no reason to bogart mate |
| 04:24.55 | simonrvn | linux_stu: bitch to adobe about the bugs. they *might* listen |
| 04:25.08 | simonrvn | "don't bogart the joint!" |
| 04:25.19 | simonrvn | i haven't heard or thought that in years |
| 04:25.23 | stoned | wha |
| 04:25.25 | duke3d | !darkstar |
| 04:25.25 | enouf | heh |
| 04:25.37 | stoned | who did the bong factoid? |
| 04:25.40 | stoned | i didn't see anyone do it |
| 04:25.53 | stoned | stoney! |
| 04:25.57 | stoned | no |
| 04:25.58 | stoned | im high |
| 04:26.05 | simonrvn | stoned |
| 04:26.06 | stoned | hey hows it going man, lookit im spammin |
| 04:26.24 | stoned | simonrvn: hi |
| 04:26.34 | simonrvn | no i'm not, you are |
| 04:26.42 | linux_stu | i got flashplugin to work in other distros. the reason it fails here is because of md5sums. could i just remove those somehow? |
| 04:27.10 | simonrvn | linux_stu: oh, hmm. dunno what the usual fix is for that |
| 04:27.40 | stoned | well i downloaded the one from adobe and install it |
| 04:27.46 | stoned | it works fine no problems |
| 04:28.04 | simonrvn | that's what i did; or just grabbed the one it downloaded and installed that |
| 04:28.08 | linux_stu | hmmm |
| 04:28.09 | simonrvn | it's a packaging bug |
| 04:28.12 | simonrvn | (i bet) |
| 04:28.12 | linux_stu | ok |
| 04:28.27 | linux_stu | so i can get the package myself and install it through apt-get is what your saying? |
| 04:28.29 | linux_stu | *you're |
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| 04:28.52 | simonrvn | the package downloads it to /var/cache/flahspluginorwhatever |
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| 04:29.11 | simonrvn | could be /var/lib, don't recall (probably former) |
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| 04:32.06 | JordiGH | Hm, this is weird. I wonder why some machines are mounting an NFS /home fine at boot, and others are not. Inelegant solution: add "mount /home" to /etc/rc.local |
| 04:32.15 | CartoonCat | How would I find how what package contians a specific file? |
| 04:32.24 | stoned | !tell CartoonCat -about search |
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| 04:32.51 | CartoonCat | oh ba,h i didnt look down far enough, my bad |
| 04:33.35 | stoned | holy shizboo |
| 04:33.37 | slidesinger | Why does all the documentation refer to apt.conf yet the etch installer sets up apt.conf.d and is there any documentation on apt.conf.d anywhere on the planet? |
| 04:33.38 | stoned | I'm wasted |
| 04:34.12 | rodt | lucky |
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| 04:34.44 | UptimeFactor-Jus | Hey Guys |
| 04:35.15 | lastnode2 | hi |
| 04:35.36 | stoned | hi |
| 04:36.26 | stoned | smelly smelly |
| 04:36.41 | pickcoder | need something to help me stay awake |
| 04:36.48 | stoned | coffee |
| 04:36.53 | stoned | or redbull |
| 04:36.56 | stoned | two redbulls |
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| 04:37.15 | stoned | hell drink two redbulls and two coffees |
| 04:37.18 | pickcoder | maybe have to make some coffee in a few hours |
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| 04:37.30 | stoned | why are you trying to stay awake? |
| 04:37.38 | linux_stu | when i did apt-get install gcc, it told me to insert the debian cd. why wouldn't it download it from the internet? |
| 04:37.40 | pickcoder | one of the girls gets colic every night now, it seems |
| 04:37.44 | lastnode | any popular retail / computer stores that sell debian stickers? |
| 04:38.20 | pickcoder | lastnode: make your own with some sticker kits |
| 04:38.30 | CartoonCat | mmm, ok is there a way to force a reisntall of all apache2 ? I had to do the -clinux_stu your /etc/apt/sources.list file still has the cd has a source |
| 04:38.30 | garryFre | Stu, your repositories in /etc/apt/sources.lst include the cdrom |
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| 04:38.36 | linux_stu | oh |
| 04:38.41 | CartoonCat | w t h |
| 04:38.44 | linux_stu | i guess i will comment that out |
| 04:38.48 | stoned | lastnode: me |
| 04:39.45 | stoned | E: Couldn't find package assweasel |
| 04:39.47 | stoned | lol |
| 04:40.04 | stoned | I was thinking it, but i wanted to type iceweasel and this is what came out |
| 04:40.06 | garryFre | I got a problem. I cannot add the contrib, non-free and source repositories because all the info I find in google is obsolete because the ftp server directory structure has changed. Can someone please paste the needed info from sources.lst into a pastebin please? |
| 04:40.07 | pickcoder | that's the new spawn of IE? |
| 04:40.13 | pickcoder | the name fits |
| 04:40.17 | lastnode | pickcoder: sticker kits? |
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| 04:40.40 | pickcoder | lastnode: office depot.. look in the inkjet paper area |
| 04:40.48 | pickcoder | there's all kinds of inket stuff |
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| 04:41.25 | rodt | i cant find my hds... ive got three, im trying to find some code on em... but i cant seem to mount them... it should be hda as its primary ide... but its saying no device ? |
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| 04:41.54 | eimajenthat | !atheros |
| 04:41.54 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 04:42.20 | pickcoder | rodt: does it show up in BIOS? |
| 04:42.29 | rodt | yeah |
| 04:42.34 | garryFre | rodt see Administration/disks then make a mount point for the drive you need, click Enable |
| 04:42.46 | rodt | i got knoppix 3.3 live, it should auto mount everything right ? |
| 04:42.48 | garryFre | I got a problem. I cannot add the contrib, non-free and source repositories because all the info I find in google is obsolete because the ftp server directory structure has changed. Can someone please paste the needed info from sources.lst into a pastebin please? /begging |
| 04:42.55 | lastnode | pickcoder: any canadian shops? im acutally in sri lanka, but my dad is comign down from canada next month so im gonna sk him to bring. |
| 04:43.07 | eimajenthat | !madwifi-install |
| 04:43.07 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi-install is ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant ; m-a prepare ; m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 04:43.34 | lastnode | dpkg: tell garryFre about sources |
| 04:43.42 | pickcoder | lastnode: look online. there are plenty of web sites that sell inkey magnet and sticker kits |
| 04:44.00 | lastnode | pickcoder: cool, thanks |
| 04:44.09 | pickcoder | I'm sure Google can help you find preprinted Debian stuff too |
| 04:44.16 | pickcoder | I've never looked |
| 04:44.19 | JordiGH | slidesinger: Did you get your answer? You can create apt.conf if it doesn't exist and follow what the documentation says. apt.conf.d is for other things. |
| 04:44.36 | pickcoder | inkey=inkjet |
| 04:44.42 | pickcoder | low-light doesn't help my typing |
| 04:44.51 | linux_stu | how do i use apt-get to install a .deb package in my current directory? |
| 04:45.12 | Kevin` | dpkg -i file.dep |
| 04:45.12 | dpkg | package file.dep is already installed |
| 04:45.15 | JordiGH | linux_stu: You use dpkg. dpkg -i foo.deb. But why are you doing this? |
| 04:45.23 | Kevin` | deb* |
| 04:45.31 | JordiGH | dpkg -i dsf |
| 04:45.35 | linux_stu | i compiled flashplugin-nonfree myself |
| 04:45.44 | JordiGH | dpkg -r thehorror |
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| 04:48.11 | linux_stu | it seems like dpkg package.deb is doing the same thing as apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree. it is connecting to the internet for some reason... |
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| 04:52.17 | garryFre | Is there no pastebin here? |
| 04:53.13 | garryFre | I am having a very frustrating time, the man pages have obsolete examples about sources.list I'm out of time I don't have time to knucklegrind this all day. Please someone? |
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| 04:53.45 | slidesinger | I have been searching the net for info regarding apt.conf.d for three days. All I have found is _The behaviour of APT can be tweaked in many other ways as well. The behaviour is configured with the apt.conf in the /etc/apt directory or with files in the apt.conf.d subdirectory in the same directory respectively. When the configuration is split among different files the filenames have to start with two digits._ |
| 04:53.45 | lastnode | garryFre: you want to include contrib and non-free? |
| 04:53.50 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 04:53.50 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 04:54.15 | garryFre | thanks |
| 04:57.11 | garryFre | lastnode yes. I got this in my sources.list I remember last time I found that the info I got was wrong and it took hours for me to figure out http://paste.lisp.org/display/46695 |
| 04:58.03 | slidesinger | Is there anything more anywhere? How does one know which filenames to use? (I got that they need to start with two numeric characters, but are there any other requirements?) Since apt.conf is so well documented and there is nothing on apt.conf.d, should I convert to apt.conf? Is this possible? Is it ill advised? After three days at this, I am really getting distressed, mostly at the lack of TFM to R. |
| 04:58.16 | garryFre | Something is wrong with this sources.list I am running out of time, help? http://paste.lisp.org/display/46695 |
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| 04:59.42 | slidesinger | garryFre: What error are you getting? |
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| 05:00.03 | geo-rge | garryFre: time keeps on slippin slippin slippin... |
| 05:00.08 | geo-rge | into the future... |
| 05:00.39 | garryFre | slidesinger Can't stat the sites. I see that the directory structure seems to have changed at the sites |
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| 05:01.24 | lastnode | is base-config deprecated? |
| 05:01.30 | pickcoder | yes |
| 05:01.39 | spall | I'm attempting to compile KDE, but it told me I need qt, and then qt told me I need gcc, and then gcc tells me I need gcc. Does anyone know what to do with this situation? |
| 05:01.45 | lastnode | pickcoder: what do i use instead? |
| 05:01.57 | pickcoder | what do you need to change |
| 05:01.58 | lastnode | spall: why do you wan to compile it? |
| 05:02.08 | lastnode | pickcoder: deboostrapping, i need to set timezones, apt etc |
| 05:02.08 | garryFre | Ok, this is strange, I did not change the sources.list and now I got no error message. Hmmm. |
| 05:02.10 | geo-rge | spall: maybe some of those are versioned depends |
| 05:02.15 | garryFre | a glitch? |
| 05:02.17 | soliude| | dont use kde? |
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| 05:02.17 | soliude| | kde is a pos :p |
| 05:02.30 | soliude| | (or check gcc versions) |
| 05:02.50 | pickcoder | I think you may need to do apt manually. tzconfig will reconfigure timezone data |
| 05:03.05 | garryFre | Thanks, for the help, tho strangely, the error went away, must been an internut issue. |
| 05:03.12 | spall | lastnode: so I will have the lastest version of KDE |
| 05:03.17 | lastnode | pickcoder: i mean setting up users, etc. surely there was a replacement? |
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| 05:03.25 | pickcoder | not sure about that |
| 05:03.33 | pickcoder | brb |
| 05:04.44 | linux_stu | oh my gosh |
| 05:04.44 | linux_stu | i was able to install flash player through ice weasel |
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| 05:12.55 | JordiGH | Hm. I'm guessing that the issue is that the gids that I want the NIS server to export are too low... |
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| 05:13.15 | JordiGH | Which is why the clients only see the private groups, which have gids in the 1000's. |
| 05:13.21 | slidesinger | garryFre: Nothing wrong with that sources.list. Check your internet connection. |
| 05:13.41 | JeffH | if I do an apt-get remove --purge of the kernel image I'm currently running, can I apt-get install another kernel and reboot without any problems? |
| 05:14.10 | JordiGH | JeffH: Yeah. |
| 05:14.19 | JeffH | thanks. |
| 05:14.28 | slidesinger | JeffH: Install the new kernel first, that way if there are any issues you can still boot the old kernel and repair. |
| 05:14.50 | JeffH | slidesinger: won't the new kernel overwrite the kernel modules? |
| 05:15.06 | JeffH | then when I remove the old kernel it'll remove the new modules? |
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| 05:15.40 | slidesinger | JeffH: Not if the new kernel has a different name. |
| 05:16.26 | JeffH | its package name is different.. linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 vs linux-image-2.6.18-4.686. |
| 05:16.31 | slidesinger | JeffH: They designed it that way on purpose. What architecture are you running? |
| 05:16.43 | JeffH | slidesinger: Intel |
| 05:16.54 | soliude| | uhhh |
| 05:16.59 | soliude| | what processor ; |
| 05:17.05 | JeffH | P3 |
| 05:17.11 | JeffH | or P4.. I forget. |
| 05:17.14 | soliude| | yeah, 686 will work with that |
| 05:17.17 | soliude| | :p |
| 05:18.35 | slidesinger | JeffH: Ahh, install linux-image-2.6-686, that will manage the kernel images nicely. |
| 05:18.42 | JordiGH | Aha! Found it! MINGID in /var/yp/Makefile |
| 05:18.47 | JordiGH | Let's see if this works... |
| 05:18.48 | JeffH | gotcha. |
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| 05:24.52 | slidesinger | !dpkg apt.conf.d |
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| 05:25.46 | JordiGH | Hm. Now there's a separate issue. Some clients' GIDs don't match up with the server's GIDs... *sigh* |
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| 05:29.54 | slidesinger | Not even a factoid on apt.conf.d |
| 05:31.50 | slidesinger | Tell me this, if I screw up apt.conf.d by trying to add a parameter incorrectly (since all I have to go by is in man 5 apt.conf), how badly can I screw up my computer? What is the risk? |
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| 05:33.56 | linuxtk10 | hey what is net.agent ? |
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| 05:34.15 | linuxtk10 | /bin/sh -e /lib/udev/net.agent |
| 05:34.24 | linuxtk10 | anyone know off hand what this thing is for ? |
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| 05:36.34 | slidesinger | linuxtk10: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 05:37.56 | JordiGH | Hm, what a mess. |
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| 05:38.07 | JordiGH | I can't just export the lowids. They don't match up. |
| 05:38.18 | JordiGH | It would be nice if groups could contain other groups. |
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| 05:39.40 | JordiGH | Then I could just add a user to one group and that user would automatically be a member of audio video dialout powerdev plugdev netdev |
| 05:39.55 | JordiGH | Actually... What are those last three groups for? Powerdev plugdev and netdev. |
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| 05:42.56 | JordiGH | I guess they're for HAL and the like. |
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| 05:46.53 | linuxtk10 | http://phpfi.com/258557 |
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| 05:46.59 | linuxtk10 | how much ram is actually being used ? |
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| 05:47.25 | JordiGH | Is there a way to change a group's gid but keep the group semantically the same? |
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| 05:50.02 | linuxtk10 | how can i view all the pacjages installed ? |
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| 05:50.37 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: dpkg -l |
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| 05:52.40 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: Dpkg -l and thats all the packages installed? |
| 05:52.47 | linuxtk10 | hmm thats not many packages at all |
| 05:53.07 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: ? |
| 05:53.18 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: dpkg -l | less |
| 05:54.01 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: also, "dpkg --get-selections" |
| 05:54.12 | linuxtk10 | i just meant i dont have much stuff installed |
| 05:54.20 | solitude| | can you apt-get remove dpkg ? |
| 05:55.03 | linuxtk10 | when i want to install something |
| 05:55.14 | linuxtk10 | and i dont want its 5 depencies how do i only get it ? |
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| 05:55.25 | linuxtk10 | or a way i can choose what depency i want |
| 05:56.56 | JordiGH | solitude|: No. apt will refuse. |
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| 05:57.26 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: If you only want to download stuff, do apt-get install --download-only thepackage |
| 05:57.46 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: i accently installed some apache stuff i didnt want too |
| 05:57.51 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: If you think you know better than the package maintainer as to what the dependencies of a package are, file a bug report. |
| 05:58.01 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: after i un install something how do i update the dpkg db or w/e ? |
| 05:58.07 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: But don't override the apt system. This way lies madness. |
| 05:58.24 | linux_jones | does anyone know a god how to on routing from one eth to another? |
| 05:58.32 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: i was getting PHP5-CURL i dont want apache ;) |
| 05:58.37 | linuxtk10 | just a php module |
| 05:58.38 | linuxtk10 | :P |
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| 06:02.07 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: If you just want the dotdeb without getting its dependencies and without installing it, you're better off going to packages.debian.org and downloading from there. |
| 06:02.23 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: dpkg will refuse to install a dotdeb whose dependencies aren't satisfied anyways. |
| 06:03.12 | JordiGH | Or actually, it will install it, but then won't configure it, or leave it half-configured, or do a number of other amusing things. |
| 06:03.12 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: anyway i can force it ? |
| 06:03.20 | linuxtk10 | damn |
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| 06:03.44 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: Yes, you can force. But if you have to force to do it, you've found a bug in Debian and you should submit a bug report. |
| 06:03.51 | linuxtk10 | but again how do i update the db ? |
| 06:04.01 | linuxtk10 | i removed some stuff the packages but |
| 06:04.07 | linuxtk10 | dpkg -l is showing old stuff |
| 06:04.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching is showing old stuff |
| 06:04.20 | linuxtk10 | hehehe |
| 06:04.30 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: How did you remove the stuff? You just went and did rm -rf? |
| 06:04.42 | linuxtk10 | no no |
| 06:04.46 | linuxtk10 | i did |
| 06:04.51 | linuxtk10 | apt-get remove apache-common |
| 06:05.04 | linuxtk10 | it removed it its no longer there |
| 06:05.04 | linuxtk10 | but |
| 06:05.10 | linuxtk10 | dpkg -l still hsows it |
| 06:05.11 | dpkg | ii still hsows it 3.5-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 06:05.52 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: What does "apt-cache policy apache-common" say? |
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| 06:07.30 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: how cna i update the db or w/e ? :P |
| 06:07.33 | linuxtk10 | its not there |
| 06:07.34 | linuxtk10 | trust me |
| 06:07.39 | linuxtk10 | i watched it get removed ;) |
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| 06:07.41 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: What does apt-cache policy say? |
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| 06:10.12 | JordiGH | dpkg -l doesn't actually list installed packages, sorry. It just lists packages it's touched. |
| 06:10.12 | dpkg | No packages found matching doesn't actually list installed packages, sorry. It just lists packages it's touched. |
| 06:10.41 | nvz | dpkg myob |
| 06:10.41 | dpkg | well, myob is mind your own business |
| 06:10.47 | nvz | yeah try it |
| 06:11.21 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: how can i see *installed* packages |
| 06:11.40 | nvz | linuxtk10: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i |
| 06:12.34 | linuxtk10 | doesnt exactly look good |
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| 06:12.35 | linuxtk10 | :P |
| 06:12.49 | linuxtk10 | i thought dpkg -l only shows packages it has touched |
| 06:12.50 | linuxtk10 | ? |
| 06:13.01 | nvz | blah |
| 06:13.10 | linuxtk10 | please inform me ? |
| 06:13.13 | dougie | man dpkg |
| 06:13.23 | nvz | dpkg touched all installed packages unlass you unar'd em and installed em by hand |
| 06:13.46 | JordiGH | I can't figure out how to fix this. NIS server and client disagree on gids. |
| 06:14.16 | JordiGH | So if I export the /etc/group file from the server, the clients get confused to the groups the user is supposed to belong. |
| 06:14.25 | linuxtk10 | nvz: why when i uninstall a package does dpkg not update it still thinks its there ? |
| 06:14.42 | linux_stu | would i suffer any serious losses if i were to install debian from a businesscard cd image? will it just be a really barebones install? |
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| 06:15.16 | nvz | linux_stu: explain "uninstall package" and "thinks its there" |
| 06:15.27 | nvz | erm linuxtk10 |
| 06:15.31 | nvz | sorry |
| 06:15.32 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: dpkg doesn't think it's still there. It just stuff about the package and won't forget it. |
| 06:15.33 | linux_stu | i was going to say... |
| 06:15.59 | JordiGH | linux_stu: Yes, it will barely do anything interesting except consume clock cycles. |
| 06:16.06 | linux_stu | ok |
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| 06:16.12 | linux_stu | maybe that is what i want |
| 06:16.19 | linux_stu | because i like a highly customized system |
| 06:16.34 | linux_stu | and if i can work from a barebones base, i will know what is on my system |
| 06:16.57 | JordiGH | linux_stu: The business card install is mostly just so that you can have a system that's capable of installing Debian packages. |
| 06:16.58 | nvz | linux_stu: its all the same |
| 06:17.13 | linux_stu | ok |
| 06:17.23 | nvz | linux_stu: the differece is the netinstall contains a base business card doesnt has to fetch it via internet |
| 06:17.37 | nvz | I normally go with netinst just in case I can't get the net up during install |
| 06:17.38 | linux_stu | oh |
| 06:17.40 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: i uninstalled apache-common and its still in the list ? |
| 06:17.48 | linux_stu | well i already have a netinstall cd |
| 06:17.58 | linux_stu | so i will just install from that and tell it not to connect to the net |
| 06:18.06 | nvz | the main cds just contain the repo of packages, but all cds can use the same web method, the business card cd has to because it doesn't contain even the base install |
| 06:18.17 | nvz | netinstall has just a base, and no additional packages |
| 06:18.21 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: IT'S NOT A LIST OF INSTALLED PACKAGES! |
| 06:18.27 | linuxtk10 | kk |
| 06:18.35 | linuxtk10 | so basically rc means its uninstalled ? |
| 06:18.40 | JordiGH | removed |
| 06:18.41 | linuxtk10 | ii means it is installed ? |
| 06:18.43 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 06:18.49 | linuxtk10 | thats all you had to say :D |
| 06:18.57 | nvz | I think rc means its purged |
| 06:19.02 | nvz | but either way |
| 06:19.06 | nvz | ii is installed |
| 06:19.10 | JordiGH | We've been saying this for the past fifteen minutes or so. :-/ |
| 06:19.27 | nvz | hah |
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| 06:20.31 | linuxtk10 | well thank you JordiGH now i understand |
| 06:21.20 | linuxtk10 | will those things ever leave or always stay rc ? |
| 06:21.48 | nvz | does it matter |
| 06:21.58 | linuxtk10 | just wondering |
| 06:22.02 | nvz | it knows they are removed. |
| 06:22.20 | JordiGH | dpkg --clear-available or dpkg --update-available or one of those might manage to do what you want. |
| 06:23.01 | solitude| | thanks JordiGH |
| 06:23.01 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: in correct commands JordiGH |
| 06:23.36 | linuxtk10 | hmm i wonder if i need perl hmmm |
| 06:24.10 | Guerin | you do |
| 06:24.17 | linuxtk10 | o? |
| 06:24.18 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: Debian won't function without Perl. |
| 06:24.27 | linuxtk10 | all i want to run on this macine is SSH |
| 06:24.28 | linuxtk10 | oo |
| 06:24.31 | JordiGH | A lot of dpkg scripts are written in Perl. |
| 06:24.33 | Guerin | linuxtk10: don't go deleting random shit you don't understand |
| 06:24.40 | linuxtk10 | no no im not |
| 06:24.41 | Guerin | if you want a system with nothing in it, run lfs |
| 06:25.00 | linuxtk10 | no i accidently installed a bunch of crap i didnt need |
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| 06:25.19 | Guerin | use debfoster |
| 06:25.29 | linuxtk10 | and i hate how to get php5-curl it takes the whole apache2 when they are really un related |
| 06:26.07 | linuxtk10 | but is htier any way i can use dpkg -l << to only show avaliable packages ? |
| 06:26.16 | Guerin | linuxtk10: well ... people who need php without a webserver are expected to be smart enough to install it |
| 06:26.27 | linuxtk10 | well so can i |
| 06:26.28 | linuxtk10 | BUT |
| 06:26.36 | linuxtk10 | i like ot keep everything a package |
| 06:26.46 | linuxtk10 | and since it was already there i grabbed it |
| 06:26.49 | Guerin | !depends php5-curl |
| 06:27.01 | JeffH | Is there a list somewhere of gigabit ethernet cards that are supported by Linux? |
| 06:27.10 | Guerin | JeffH: /msg dpkg hcl |
| 06:27.24 | jetscreamer | depends on nothing? |
| 06:27.37 | dpkg | php5-curl: depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libcurl3 (>= 7.16.2-1), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.1), phpapi-20060613+lfs, php5-common (= 5.2.3-1+b1) |
| 06:28.03 | Guerin | linuxtk10: per the above, it's likely a webserver is a recommends: package |
| 06:28.09 | linuxtk10 | and those dpened on apache i guess |
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| 06:28.30 | Guerin | doubtful |
| 06:28.43 | jetscreamer | there's an aptitude --without-recommends isn't there |
| 06:28.51 | Guerin | yes, and it can be turned off |
| 06:28.56 | JeffH | can gigabit eithernet be run on a P3 system with PCI? |
| 06:29.10 | Guerin | JeffH: yes, of course. |
| 06:29.24 | JeffH | wasn't sure if the bus was fast enough. |
| 06:29.32 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: it installed apache |
| 06:29.34 | Guerin | JeffH: you might struggle to saturate it, depending on various factors, but there's nothing from preventing you trying - and you'll certainly do better than 100MB |
| 06:29.35 | jetscreamer | maybe not if your mb is pci1.whatever and the card is 2.0 |
| 06:29.39 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 06:29.57 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: Yes, we told you to do dpkg -l | grep ii |
| 06:30.06 | Guerin | linuxtk10: yes, because you didn;'t tell it to exclude recommends. Learn to use your packaging system before whining about the sensibl;e choices debian makes for the 99% of users unlike you. |
| 06:30.07 | ameyer | PCI = 33 MHz 32 bit bus IIRC... |
| 06:30.35 | ameyer | which is just about 1 gbps max throughput |
| 06:30.42 | JordiGH | actually, apt-get install php5-curl here is attempting to install apache-common too. |
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| 06:30.55 | JordiGH | And apt-get isn't installing recommends |
| 06:30.57 | JeffH | gotcha.. buying a new router with gigabit ethernet and 802.11N.. just making sure I can convert my old linux server to gigabit eithernet. |
| 06:31.06 | ameyer | actually, your HDs are likely to be the limiting factor there... |
| 06:31.08 | nvz | apache-common isnt apache |
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| 06:31.35 | ameyer | people with faster systems struggle to do more than about 400 mbps |
| 06:31.45 | linuxtk10 | whats the best way to detect port scans ? |
| 06:31.50 | nvz | its essential files for apache modules including documentation |
| 06:31.51 | JordiGH | nmap? |
| 06:32.00 | dougie | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.12 | Guerin | linuxtk10: using an IDS like snort. The better questions is `why bother detecting portscans?' |
| 06:32.13 | nvz | how does one _detect_ port scans with nmap? |
| 06:32.26 | linuxtk10 | im saying is thier anything that can detect a port scan quickly and ban the ip ? |
| 06:32.27 | Guerin | portscans are pointless, they reveal only public information about your box. |
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| 06:32.37 | jetscreamer | you give portscans with nmap? |
| 06:32.39 | linuxtk10 | i knwo im jus wonderin once more |
| 06:32.51 | nvz | you wonder about the wrong things |
| 06:32.51 | Guerin | linuxtk10: of course, for a crude portscan - but it's pointless. |
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| 06:32.55 | JordiGH | Funnily enough, I can't see the apache-common dependency in the dotty graph |
| 06:33.05 | nvz | heh |
| 06:33.43 | JeffH | gotcha.. it'll at least be faster than 100 network. |
| 06:33.50 | Guerin | JeffH: yep. Much. |
| 06:33.56 | linuxtk10 | stopping a port scan in the first place would not reveal my ssh port |
| 06:34.08 | nvz | if all your switches support gigabit |
| 06:34.18 | Guerin | the gige between my p4-2.6 and pm-1.5 maxes at about 350Mbit |
| 06:34.28 | nvz | linuxtk10: haha |
| 06:34.32 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 it's a false sense of security, you'll probably mess up more leginimate traffic |
| 06:34.38 | JeffH | nvz: well, my router will be my only switch. |
| 06:34.45 | nvz | linuxtk10: letting them try is better imo |
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| 06:34.50 | nvz | I like having logs |
| 06:34.52 | Guerin | linuxtk10: if you rely on your ssh port being secret, you've already lost |
| 06:34.58 | linuxtk10 | nooooo |
| 06:35.02 | Guerin | yeeeees |
| 06:35.03 | linuxtk10 | but it helps doesnt it ????? |
| 06:35.03 | JordiGH | Okay, let me try asking my question again. How am I supposed to export low gids with NIS? The client and server disagree on what group is assigned to a low gid. |
| 06:35.07 | Guerin | linuxtk10: noooooo |
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| 06:35.20 | linuxtk10 | ok yea |
| 06:35.23 | JordiGH | Your ssh port? You're not using port 22? |
| 06:35.27 | linuxtk10 | no |
| 06:35.30 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 ever heard the term "security through obscurity"? |
| 06:35.33 | Guerin | linuxtk10: the prudent attitude toward security is one which says `do your worst'. |
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| 06:35.45 | Guerin | these are my entry points; have at them. |
| 06:35.46 | jetscreamer | so what port are you using... muhahaha |
| 06:35.52 | linuxtk10 | a high port |
| 06:35.53 | linuxtk10 | but |
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| 06:36.02 | linuxtk10 | why would one keep it at 22 ? |
| 06:36.03 | Guerin | JeffH: good thinking, his password is probably 1337h4x0rZ |
| 06:36.09 | jetscreamer | yeah but 'exactly' which port |
| 06:36.10 | Guerin | linuxtk10: because it's simple. |
| 06:36.14 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 it's easier to use at 22. why NOT keep it at 22? |
| 06:36.15 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: Because it doesn't help to move it anywhere else. |
| 06:36.44 | linuxtk10 | well i guess its fine if you have bruteforce detextion |
| 06:36.50 | JordiGH | damnit, even I'm distracted from my problem by this nonsense. |
| 06:36.50 | linuxtk10 | or those asian servers will bork you |
| 06:36.52 | Guerin | linuxtk10: well ... no. |
| 06:37.00 | nvz | the only legitimate reason I see to use a non-standard port for services is if you have the port blocked and aren't the admin |
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| 06:37.02 | Guerin | linuxtk10: i don't. I just have insanely strong passwords. |
| 06:37.08 | sleek | hello peeps |
| 06:37.10 | Guerin | linuxtk10: as do you, if you actually care about security. |
| 06:37.14 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 it's fine even if you don't. do you know how long it would take to brute force even a 6 letter password remotely? |
| 06:37.18 | sleek | I need help finding an alternative to dmix |
| 06:37.24 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: my pass is very strong |
| 06:37.25 | Guerin | sleek: why? |
| 06:37.27 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 those server just guess from a list of weak passwords. |
| 06:37.27 | sleek | alsa-dmix |
| 06:37.36 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: they got in once |
| 06:37.37 | Kevin` | if you have a strong password, they will never get in |
| 06:37.37 | sleek | it is causing stutters for my soundcard |
| 06:37.38 | Kevin` | never. |
| 06:37.43 | Guerin | linuxtk10: then you have nothing to fear from bruteforcers (if your idea of `very strong' matches mine) |
| 06:37.44 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: not all that long at all |
| 06:37.52 | jetscreamer | i've been using 10-13 char pw's .. should i make em longer? |
| 06:37.54 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 your password was weak then |
| 06:37.54 | Guerin | sleek: are you using kde or gnome? |
| 06:37.57 | sleek | gnome |
| 06:37.58 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 do the math on it |
| 06:38.02 | linuxtk10 | it was 7 characters |
| 06:38.03 | Guerin | JeffH: probably not much point. |
| 06:38.07 | linuxtk10 | and yea i guess wasnt tooo strong |
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| 06:38.08 | linuxtk10 | but |
| 06:38.10 | Guerin | jetscreamer: probably not much point. |
| 06:38.13 | linuxtk10 | still they got in they bruteforced it |
| 06:38.14 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 it was based on a word. it was in the list. |
| 06:38.14 | ameyer | a non-standard port provides a small but non-zero gain in security, something like fail2ban would help against brute-force... |
| 06:38.28 | jetscreamer | john never cracked one, all i know |
| 06:38.28 | Guerin | linuxtk10: 7 characters isn't strong. 10 is a good minimum. |
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| 06:38.33 | linuxtk10 | fail2ban is a python scrit |
| 06:38.38 | linuxtk10 | why not just use iptables ? |
| 06:38.49 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 try running JOHN locally and see how long it takes when you guess many passwords PER SECOND |
| 06:38.51 | nvz | jetscreamer: I find that changing them often but not too often and making them alt caps, alpha numeric symbol..etc is more effective and being random choosing different lengths and whatnot helps |
| 06:38.52 | Guerin | linuxtk10: you think fail2ban doesn't? |
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| 06:39.02 | JeffH | not much point in what? |
| 06:39.10 | nvz | when people run a password cracker they have to choose a table to work from which has certain kind of passwords in mind |
| 06:39.10 | ameyer | I'd guess a decent percentage of crackers just scan port 22...\ |
| 06:39.12 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: you can automatically set the rules yourself |
| 06:39.18 | nvz | changing the type often helps |
| 06:39.22 | Guerin | JeffH: not much point in me using tab completion :) |
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| 06:39.31 | Guerin | linuxtk10: yes ... but why bother? |
| 06:39.32 | JeffH | haha |
| 06:39.33 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 the point is, security through this kind of thing isn't real security. set it up properly so they can't get in, and they wont |
| 06:39.37 | jetscreamer | nvz: always mixed as recommended .. caps, non-alpha, numeric |
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| 06:39.47 | dougie | iptables with rate limiting |
| 06:39.58 | JordiGH | Aha! |
| 06:39.59 | JordiGH | http://lists.debian.org/debian-policy/2005/09/msg00042.html |
| 06:40.10 | JordiGH | This is *precisely* the problem I'm running into. |
| 06:40.11 | Guerin | linuxtk10: what you are doing is called being penny wise and pound foolish. Do the basics properly and you needn't worry too much about obfuscation and IDSes to detect ssh bruteforcing. |
| 06:40.14 | JordiGH | And it has no fix. :-( |
| 06:40.26 | ameyer | linuxtk10: whatever, I think we're on the same page anyway, doing something to ban after X failed ssh attempts is a huge step in the right direction... |
| 06:40.38 | Guerin | JordiGH: at least you KNOW it's a lost cause now :) |
| 06:40.43 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: yes i know but every little thing helps most of these bruteforcers n people who scan ip ranged all day mostly go off of port 22 .......why not change it and right there to decrease 50 percent of the attempts |
| 06:40.44 | jetscreamer | i use different lengths depending on what it's for... root's is longer |
| 06:40.48 | linuxtk10 | http://kevin.vanzonneveld.net/techblog/article/block_brute_force_attacks_with_iptables/ |
| 06:40.55 | JordiGH | Guerin: Woohoo. :-/ |
| 06:40.56 | linuxtk10 | ameyer: ^ |
| 06:40.59 | Guerin | linuxtk10: sure, but it's purely for the lazy. |
| 06:41.04 | nvz | jetscreamer: well for example I tried the ophcrack live cd recently.. comes with no tables.. the freely avail tables I could find wouldnt stand a chance at cracking one of our passwords.. but companies have compiled tables with other types. |
| 06:41.15 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 every little thing also messes up leginimate traffic sometimes. if it only ONCE keeps YOU out of your computer, your screwed |
| 06:41.23 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 just do it properly |
| 06:41.23 | linuxtk10 | fail2ban scans apache logs ftp logs bunch of other stuff pointless unless you really are ysing all of them since i only use SSH ......heh no point |
| 06:41.46 | sleek | oss4 could be a better option I guess. |
| 06:41.50 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: how is changing the port going to keep away good traffic ? ;) |
| 06:41.52 | nvz | thats probably the dumbest thing you said yet |
| 06:42.00 | linuxtk10 | ? |
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| 06:42.05 | Guerin | linuxtk10: can you not disable all that? |
| 06:42.10 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 when you end up behind a firewall that doesn't allow you to use that port. which is pretty common |
| 06:42.18 | nvz | fail2ban is no more or less effective or useful no matter how many services you run |
| 06:42.35 | Prax01D | What channel is best to discuss locale issues in? |
| 06:42.38 | linuxtk10 | do you knwo what fail2ban is ?? |
| 06:42.38 | ameyer | there's some other way to stop brute-force attacks similarly to fail2ban... |
| 06:42.40 | Guerin | sleek: did you kill esd? |
| 06:42.45 | Guerin | Prax01D: here. |
| 06:42.49 | ameyer | I just can't remember its name |
| 06:42.50 | linuxtk10 | nvz: read up man it scnas certain log files |
| 06:42.50 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 blocking with iptables has some uses, but only if you do it for at most a minute. otherwise you'll end up blocking yourself out sometime.. |
| 06:42.52 | sleek | I am not using any software daemon |
| 06:42.55 | Prax01D | Guerin: I was afraid of that. |
| 06:42.57 | sleek | plain alsa & dmix |
| 06:43.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:43.11 | Guerin | sleek: what cpu and sound card? |
| 06:43.11 | nvz | linuxtk10: like all FOSS software it does what you tell it |
| 06:43.33 | linuxtk10 | nvz: lol sure i guess you could program more logs files for it to scan in |
| 06:43.35 | nvz | read up, on a new fangled method we call configuration |
| 06:43.36 | sleek | intel-8x0, from Intel ICH4 chipset |
| 06:43.51 | linuxtk10 | anyways scanning 5 different logs files every second i would ay is not the best option if your only running ssh |
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| 06:44.00 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: i give 10 attmepts per min |
| 06:44.09 | sleek | it uses AC'97.. pretty cheap card. I have no way to change to another card since this is a laptop. |
| 06:44.20 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 and only blocking for that minute? |
| 06:44.27 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite linuxtk10 |
| 06:44.58 | Guerin | sleek: and not a pentium 1, so it shouldn't be skipping. Is anything niced down and hogging the cpu? You might get around this by nicing down your audio app. |
| 06:45.13 | nvz | linuxtk10: and what makes you think a login attempt usually takes more less than 6 seconds remotely? |
| 06:45.14 | Prax01D | Guerin: Anyone have a good link to setting up unicode properly on a Debian box? |
| 06:45.14 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 if so, that's good, you can prevent a DOS of the irc server. but it really isn't necessary for keeping people from guessing passwords |
| 06:45.19 | ameyer | linuxtk10: I'm not a iptables expert, is that example 8 attempts per minute per IP? |
| 06:45.20 | Guerin | sleek: dmix isn't a cpu hog, though, so I'm not sure why it's causing grief. |
| 06:45.24 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 s/irc/ssh |
| 06:45.34 | mesof | can nfs stuff be removed? |
| 06:45.35 | jetscreamer | lol... asking somebody if anybody... |
| 06:45.39 | sleek | Guerin, the sound works when I disabled dmix |
| 06:45.49 | Guerin | Prax01D: define `properly'. Mine is set up fine, all i did is chose a utf-8 locale and set up a compose key. |
| 06:45.49 | JordiGH | Prax01D: etch already does Unicode by default. Are you having problems? |
| 06:45.53 | ameyer | if it's 8 attempts/minute globally, that might cause a DDoS situation... |
| 06:45.54 | sleek | so I think it's dmix fucked up threads |
| 06:46.08 | Kevin` | 8 per minute is nothing, it can handle that |
| 06:46.09 | Prax01D | Just links, please. |
| 06:46.11 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: and i also see nothing wrong with preventing port scans ? |
| 06:46.16 | Kevin` | 8 per second, you start to have problems.. |
| 06:46.16 | valdyn | sleek: which applications is failing to play sound properly? |
| 06:46.21 | sleek | homeworld |
| 06:46.27 | Prax01D | fuck, I hate this place. |
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| 06:46.33 | Guerin | Prax01D: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ is quite good |
| 06:46.34 | valdyn | sleek: what's homeworld? |
| 06:46.43 | sleek | it's a space RTS with opera-music |
| 06:46.49 | sleek | by relic. |
| 06:46.51 | valdyn | sleek: a windows game? |
| 06:46.51 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 the problem is you think you need to hide something, that it will give you better security if someone oesn't know what services you have |
| 06:46.54 | Guerin | sleek: weird. You can use jackd instead, but since it's a separate daemon, in principle it has HIGHER resource requirements |
| 06:46.55 | sleek | one second please |
| 06:46.55 | ameyer | Kevin`: except, a bot could use up those 8 connections and lock out legitimate users... |
| 06:47.06 | sleek | yes I refuse to use any sound daemon ! ^^ |
| 06:47.09 | ameyer | if it's 8 connections max total for all IPs |
| 06:47.12 | Kevin` | ameyer not if it's per-ip, which it should be |
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| 06:47.17 | valdyn | sleek: wine's alsa support is known broken |
| 06:47.23 | ameyer | Kevin`: right |
| 06:47.25 | dougie | what about port knocking |
| 06:47.28 | nvz | I see nothing wrong with preventing abortion, but one one hand there are a lot of people who would dissagree and on the other hand what difference does it make? have more people die from doing it the old fashioned way? |
| 06:47.29 | Guerin | sleek: then kill dmix and be happy, because jackd is the only sound daemon which isn't horribly broken |
| 06:47.44 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: all i have is ssh but it would disable them from knwoing what port its on |
| 06:47.51 | sleek | aww |
| 06:47.52 | Kevin` | dougie you can do port knocking in a secure way if you want to, usually unessary to use it IMO |
| 06:47.54 | ameyer | there we go, denyhosts |
| 06:48.06 | sleek | I would like to try OSS4 if it's available |
| 06:48.14 | Guerin | ameyer: too simple, it just confuses |
| 06:48.16 | sleek | I heard it's been open-sourced |
| 06:48.19 | Guerin | sleek: be our gues! |
| 06:48.21 | Guerin | t]\ |
| 06:48.25 | sleek | http://www.thereisnospork.com/projects/homeworld/images/screen01.png |
| 06:48.31 | sleek | that's one screenshot of homeworld |
| 06:48.33 | valdyn | sleek: alsa works fine, you just need to use the oss emulation layer, because its wine that is broken, not alsa |
| 06:48.42 | sleek | I am not using wine |
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| 06:48.47 | sleek | there is an SDL port |
| 06:48.48 | valdyn | sleek: ops |
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| 06:48.59 | JordiGH | Wtf? Why are we talking about abortion now? |
| 06:49.07 | sleek | one of the nice games you can play on linux instead of windows |
| 06:49.10 | Guerin | JordiGH: we are? |
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| 06:49.15 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: all i was saying was changing a SSH port and adding port scan + ban attakcer ip would only higher your chances of good security even though witout it it could also be fine |
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| 06:49.26 | Supaplex|roaming | JordiGH: your baby was windows based? ;) |
| 06:49.27 | JordiGH | Guerin: nvz mentioned it. |
| 06:49.41 | sleek | http://homesource.nekomimicon.net/ , if you are interested :) |
| 06:49.47 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 all you will end up do is banning yourself. security should not be about chance. |
| 06:49.47 | Guerin | linuxtk10: very low utility:effort ratio |
| 06:49.50 | nvz | JordiGH: I was just trying to be as pointlessly pointed in my discussion as our security guru |
| 06:49.50 | ameyer | oh, fucking great, Debian allows root logins via ssh by default... |
| 06:50.00 | ameyer | should I bother filing a bug? |
| 06:50.00 | Guerin | ameyer: of course, why wouldn't it? |
| 06:50.08 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: how woudl i ban myself i dont need to do no port scans ;) |
| 06:50.13 | Guerin | ameyer: absolutely not, it's utterly core functionality. |
| 06:50.16 | Supaplex|roaming | ameyer: no. edit /etc/sshd* |
| 06:50.22 | ameyer | umm, I'd think that's somewhat insecure... |
| 06:50.23 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 by doing something that looked like a port sca |
| 06:50.25 | nvz | ameyer: yeah file a bug on users who don't read docs, or edit config files. .they are a bigger security risl |
| 06:50.26 | JordiGH | ameyer: So don't set a root password. |
| 06:50.28 | nvz | risk |
| 06:50.37 | Guerin | ameyer: if you're afraid of your sshd, or your password, or your keys, then you have more problems than root over ssh. |
| 06:50.41 | ameyer | meh |
| 06:50.48 | Supaplex|roaming | women. |
| 06:50.50 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: like what ? |
| 06:50.52 | Kevin` | I like bieng able to use root over ssh |
| 06:51.08 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 anything that makes a few different connections for whatever reason |
| 06:51.19 | Guerin | bittorrent is a good example |
| 06:51.30 | ameyer | with that disabled, I can still log in as a user and use su to acquire root, right? |
| 06:51.37 | Guerin | ameyer: sure. |
| 06:51.44 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: snort is a widely used tool and port scan detection is for sure included |
| 06:51.45 | Kevin` | JordiGH sudo -i |
| 06:52.04 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 it's a tool. to be used where appropriate |
| 06:52.12 | nvz | JordiGH: I just grant myself permission to the apps I want no need to even run bash as root |
| 06:52.13 | JordiGH | Kevin`: Er, yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 06:52.18 | Guerin | linuxtk10: but I can break it by limiting my portscan to one ping every n seconds, where n is a random number between 10 and 60 |
| 06:52.18 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 it's not something you rely upon to give you security :) |
| 06:52.41 | Guerin | linuxtk10: i portscanned you; it took a while but gave me all the information I needed, and you didn't detect it. |
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| 06:52.52 | Guerin | (for example) |
| 06:53.01 | nvz | JordiGH: a policy I use sometimes is setting the timestamp_timeout to -1 and the I just sudo -v and can sudo without password while doing administration then sudo -k when I am done and it removes my password from the keyring |
| 06:53.15 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 and yeah, what happens when someone DOES portscan you, and you think your still hidden, instead of a secure, open setup |
| 06:53.21 | JordiGH | nvz: Makes sense. |
| 06:53.31 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: im still gonna make it secure |
| 06:53.32 | JordiGH | Alrighty... |
| 06:53.41 | JordiGH | I have some gids I want to shuffle around. |
| 06:53.45 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: its just a SSH how unsecure could that be ;) |
| 06:53.49 | Kevin` | linuxtk10 that should be your first focus. and really, it's all that's needed |
| 06:53.51 | JordiGH | As long as there are no files owned by this gids, I'm cool, right? |
| 06:53.56 | JordiGH | by these gids |
| 06:54.03 | linuxtk10 | Kevin`: i know the port scan thying was my extra idea |
| 06:54.05 | linuxtk10 | thats all |
| 06:54.06 | Guerin | JordiGH: in principle. |
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| 06:54.33 | nvz | JordiGH: going that route saves you having to repeatedly type in the password during admin sessions but you don't need a root console either |
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| 06:54.52 | nvz | however you still have to put sudo before everything that needs root privlage |
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| 06:55.09 | nvz | this will better train you to not abuse root by only using it when absolutly needed |
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| 06:55.30 | jetscreamer | su |
| 06:55.36 | JordiGH | Guerin: Hm. Okay. Let's see... ls / -lR > biglist and then we grep, and then... |
| 06:55.57 | jetscreamer | !locate |
| 06:56.06 | nvz | even users who understand the root concept will often abuse it.. and usually without realizing the harm they could have caused |
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| 06:56.31 | \amethyst | JordiGH: find / -group foo -o -group bar etc |
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| 06:58.42 | Guerin | JordiGH: yeah, find it the way. |
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| 06:59.00 | Guerin | mm, smoked corned beef is awesome stuff |
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| 06:59.12 | Guerin | by tomorrow morning sometime it'll be good eats indeed |
| 07:00.05 | m6502 | hello... anyone with a nvidia motherboard ? I can't get the sound to work... |
| 07:00.13 | JordiGH | Okay, just to make sure my idea is sound... if I shuffle group ids on a NIS client so that it matches the gids on the server and I look for files that actually use those ids and shuffle them too, then I should be ok, right? I mean, before I trash my almost perfect network I've spent the last three days building... |
| 07:00.23 | Guerin | nvz: i know an admin who has the lecture on permanently when using sudo, and has juggered something which makes the user answer an annoying trivia question, to discourage the use of root/sudo |
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| 07:01.21 | linuxtk10 | Snort kinda uses alot of ram |
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| 07:02.31 | Guerin | linuxtk10: another reason why its use is not always justified. |
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| 07:02.40 | Guerin | but I feel your pain |
| 07:02.57 | Guerin | when I was a newbie admin, I ran all manner of bling bling security gear on my boxen |
| 07:02.59 | linuxtk10 | 45 mb idle |
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| 07:03.24 | linuxtk10 | well its just i dont want no damn port scans to be done here |
| 07:03.35 | Guerin | eventually I just couldn't be arsed and made sure I kept my shit properly updated, enforced encyption, and had strong passwords |
| 07:03.40 | Guerin | linuxtk10: but WHY NOT? |
| 07:03.51 | Guerin | they do no harm, let them scan |
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| 07:05.50 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: You must be bold. |
| 07:06.07 | JordiGH | jordigh@cimat.mx <--- bring it on, spammers. |
| 07:06.13 | rfmonk | A cursory examination of both public and state responces reveals a paranoia regarding the hacker that one can easily attribute to a luddite mentality, a generation gap, or a pure and simple technophobia that seems to pervade the US culture" Douglas Thomas |
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| 07:06.59 | Guerin | !beer rfmonk |
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| 07:07.27 | rfmonk | and apparently germany is following the same path. |
| 07:07.28 | Guerin | JordiGH: yeah, I greylist, too. I fear not the spammer. |
| 07:07.32 | rfmonk | cheers! |
| 07:07.35 | Guerin | rfmonk: the world is. |
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| 07:08.27 | Guerin | this is a typical reaction to an incomplete understanding of a technical issue, often expressed as `a little knowledge is a dangerous thing' when those with said incomplete knowledge are in charge of making law/policy regarding it. |
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| 07:09.07 | rfmonk | yup |
| 07:09.12 | Guerin | you may also have heard of it as `moral panic', though this is not a moral issue per se. |
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| 07:09.19 | mashuuk | Hi |
| 07:09.40 | JordiGH | Hm, wait, I'm wary about another thing. |
| 07:09.49 | mashuuk | Is there in debian default mechanism that will save restore current iptables settings when system is going to be restarted ? |
| 07:09.58 | mashuuk | there was /etc/init.d/iptables long time ago.. |
| 07:10.00 | mashuuk | a script |
| 07:10.04 | mashuuk | but now its gone:) |
| 07:10.11 | Guerin | mashuuk: and it remains in some cases. |
| 07:10.29 | JordiGH | Linux uses some of these groups (powerdev netdev plugdev) at bootup to do things. |
| 07:10.35 | mashuuk | Guerin, ? |
| 07:11.03 | JordiGH | How does it get the gids for these groups? Does it look for a "powerdev" group or for its gid? |
| 07:11.04 | Guerin | mashuuk: i have one (not that I use it). |
| 07:11.21 | \amethyst | JordiGH: by name |
| 07:11.22 | mashuuk | Guerin, why its missing in package ? |
| 07:11.56 | JordiGH | \amethyst: So in this sense, it's safe to change their gids? |
| 07:11.58 | Guerin | mashuuk: i'm not sure which packages you have or don't have installed. |
| 07:12.12 | Guerin | in principle it should be in the `iptables' package |
| 07:12.24 | mashuuk | Guerin, can You check dpkg -S init.d/iptables |
| 07:12.28 | nvz | ugh.. why the hell do I have to wait so long for things to reach ondemand or the internet.. heh.. I don't do tv.. I am not gonna schedule in watching this show every monday night.. |
| 07:12.37 | mashuuk | Guerin, yes I have iptables package |
| 07:12.40 | nvz | oh wait, thats way off-topic.. heh |
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| 07:13.54 | \amethyst | JordiGH: actually, according to policy, things can assume the GIDs below 100 are fixed |
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| 07:14.17 | \amethyst | JordiGH: so it might not be safe to change them... most things would be okay, but there might be something that breaks |
| 07:14.26 | \amethyst | JordiGH: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
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| 07:14.45 | Guerin | mashuuk: not in any package. But it seems to be orphaned: Change: 2004-10-05 01:24:38 |
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| 07:15.21 | Guerin | mashuuk: so I'm not sure how to proceed from here, other than to tell you to make one... though I prefer to put my iptables script in an `up' statement in /etc/network/interfaces.bak |
| 07:15.28 | Guerin | or not .bak, the actual one |
| 07:15.47 | mashuuk | Guerin, well I use gnome-network-manager its workstation |
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| 07:17.09 | Guerin | mashuuk: i know not of this gnome-network-manager |
| 07:17.15 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Ok, good. All the groups I want to change are above 100. |
| 07:17.44 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Y'know, if powerdev plugdev and netdev were below 100, than my whole problem would go away. :-( |
| 07:17.44 | \amethyst | JordiGH: also, ones between 60000-64999 are statically allocated, but I've never actually seen one in that range |
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| 07:18.23 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Essentially, I want the clients powerdev plugdev and netdev gids to match the servers'. |
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| 07:19.31 | \amethyst | JordiGH: plugdev is supposed to be 46 |
| 07:19.42 | \amethyst | JordiGH: netdev and powerdev aren't statically allocated though |
| 07:20.33 | \amethyst | JordiGH: plugdev = gid 64 was added in base-passwd 3.5.9, which was in sarge |
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| 07:20.52 | \amethyst | JordiGH: err, 46 not 64 |
| 07:21.19 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Er, yes. Powerdev and netdev are the ones giving me headaches. plugdev is fine. |
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| 07:21.47 | JordiGH | Should they be below 100? |
| 07:21.51 | JordiGH | Is this a bug? |
| 07:22.13 | JordiGH | What are they for? |
| 07:24.22 | JordiGH | Hm, found it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352713 |
| 07:24.47 | \amethyst | JordiGH: yeah, I was just about to paste that bug |
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| 07:25.39 | JordiGH | Hmmm... |
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| 07:26.02 | JordiGH | It would be nice if they were below 100, but I don't know what exactly are the requirements for something to go there. |
| 07:26.21 | JordiGH | Otherwise I'd submit a wishlist bug. |
| 07:26.52 | \amethyst | JordiGH: The last message on the bug suggests that the base-passwd maintainers is willing to add them, but wants a solution to the upgrade issue first |
| 07:27.09 | \amethyst | s/ners/ner/ |
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| 07:31.21 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Hm. |
| 07:31.55 | JordiGH | Oh well. It turns out it's not so bad. There are only three files in my hard drive who are using any of the groups I want to shuffle around. |
| 07:32.31 | JordiGH | Say, wait. I can do my job a whole lot easier if I just move netdev and powerdev myself below 100. There's no need to even touch files this way. |
| 07:32.34 | \amethyst | JordiGH: also check running processes, unless you're going to reboot |
| 07:32.40 | JordiGH | I'm going to reboot. |
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| 07:32.50 | \amethyst | JordiGH: possible incompatibility with future updates |
| 07:33.07 | \amethyst | anything below 100 might be taken by Debian someday |
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| 07:35.16 | JordiGH | I'll take that risk. It's two in the morning and I just want this damn network working already. :-) |
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| 07:36.14 | \amethyst | JordiGH: maybe build a local version of base-passwd and hold it then |
| 07:37.17 | \amethyst | JordiGH: I think update-passwd might remove your locally added <100 groups unless you make sure they are in /usr/share/base-passwd/group.master. |
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| 07:38.24 | JordiGH | \amethyst: So I should add them there? |
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| 07:40.44 | mashuuk | Do you know any firewall for desktop ? |
| 07:41.00 | Guerin | wtf |
| 07:41.08 | Guerin | mashuuk: your question makes no sense. |
| 07:41.10 | jetscreamer | guarddog |
| 07:41.18 | Guerin | mashuuk: i advise using no firewall at all |
| 07:41.30 | Guerin | (until you understand what one does and how to make it work) |
| 07:41.53 | Bill_G[a]tes | firewall? - what`s that? |
| 07:42.54 | mashuuk | Guerin, I know how to make it work.. just want to open ssh and www and all other services leave for local |
| 07:43.06 | mashuuk | Guerin, already did it but want to save ) |
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| 07:43.40 | \amethyst | JordiGH: and make sure base-passwd doesn't get upgraded |
| 07:43.52 | \amethyst | since that will nuke group.master |
| 07:43.57 | Guerin | mashuuk: then use http://feayn.org/~lewis/iptables.txt; edit to your liking, put it in /usr/local/bin, and call it in an `up' statement in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:44.00 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Right. I have to put it on hold, right? |
| 07:44.06 | Guerin | mashuuk: man interfaces for instructions |
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| 07:44.38 | Supaplex|roaming | !opening ports |
| 07:44.38 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 07:44.41 | Supaplex|roaming | mashuuk: ^^^ |
| 07:44.50 | Guerin | Supaplex|roaming: awesome. |
| 07:44.53 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:44.55 | Supaplex|roaming | mashuuk: unless you're thinking iptables-save + iptables-restore |
| 07:45.08 | Guerin | greycat was a legend |
| 07:45.44 | \amethyst | JordiGH: hold or pin |
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| 07:46.09 | jetscreamer | greycat banned me |
| 07:46.17 | Supaplex|roaming | !seen greycat |
| 07:46.17 | dpkg | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 39d 14h 24m 35s ago, saying: 'but whatever... I gave up on #debian'. |
| 07:46.27 | Guerin | jetscreamer: i bet he was justified in doing so |
| 07:46.39 | jetscreamer | actually, no |
| 07:46.44 | mashuuk | Guerin, I use NetworkManager if-up if-down things doesnt work for me |
| 07:47.05 | Guerin | mashuuk: then you're on your own in a brave new gnome-controlled world. YOU WILL COMPLY. |
| 07:47.11 | Supaplex|roaming | *YAWN* man I'm tired. |
| 07:47.16 | jetscreamer | it was quite unjust and really pissed me off |
| 07:49.20 | jetscreamer | !info gnome-lokkit |
| 07:49.42 | dpkg | gnome-lokkit: (basic interactive firewall configuration tool (GNOME interface)), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.50.22-7.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 07:50.06 | mashuuk | Guerin, its not gnome fault, all those fscking scripts just dont consider using DHCP |
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| 07:50.25 | Guerin | mashuuk: huh? |
| 07:50.26 | mashuuk | Guerin, ok you're right its much quicker to write my own |
| 07:50.33 | Guerin | mashuuk: yeah. |
| 07:50.33 | GoodHabit | Hello. Can anybody help me? I need sources.list or how-to sources.list |
| 07:50.36 | GoodHabit | Please. |
| 07:50.42 | GoodHabit | For Debian. |
| 07:50.50 | Guerin | GoodHabit: run apt-spy |
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| 07:51.11 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell GoodHabit -about sources.list |
| 07:51.17 | Guerin | GoodHabit: for a how-to see `man sources.list' |
| 07:51.40 | jetscreamer | apt-spy was broken for a while |
| 07:51.48 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:51.53 | Supaplex|roaming | imo apt-spy is just flawed |
| 07:51.54 | Guerin | that seems typical |
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| 07:52.02 | Guerin | i dislike it, but it IS easy. |
| 07:52.25 | jetscreamer | it emptied out my sources.list and didn't write anything new |
| 07:52.37 | jetscreamer | wonder if it ever got fixed |
| 07:53.17 | Guerin | jeesus, my wife is using an online payment site whose web-form remembers and pre-populates her credit card number |
| 07:53.55 | mashuuk | GoodHabit, Dude http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ |
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| 07:54.52 | GoodHabit | mashuuk: Shut up. Google will found sources like that: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html , what is actually isn't answer for my question. |
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| 07:55.10 | GoodHabit | I need a oficial list of oficial repos |
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| 07:55.44 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell GoodHabit -about mirrors |
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| 08:02.02 | mashuuk | GoodHabit plonk |
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| 08:05.41 | mesof | is it common for people to rarely upgrade? it seems upgrades always install packages i've removed in the past |
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| 08:09.31 | Guerin | mesof: there are a number of reasons why this might happen. |
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| 08:09.54 | danf_1979 | does anyone here has a Epson CX7700 working on lenny? Cups doesn't seem to work |
| 08:10.18 | Guerin | mesof: normally it's a problem between apt-get and aptitude, so purging aptitude, then reinstalling and never using apt-get again can work. |
| 08:10.27 | Guerin | danf_1979: linux-printing.org will know |
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| 08:11.10 | danf_1979 | Guerin, it used to work on etch :( |
| 08:11.25 | Guerin | danf_1979: then it will work on whatever you have now./ |
| 08:13.10 | danf_1979 | Well, after I dist-upgraded to lenny it didn't worked anymore, and that already happend |
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| 08:13.21 | eif_zon | How can I change my kernel from SMP to normal? |
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| 08:15.07 | xand | does the non-netinstall install CD for amd64 have the same kernel as the netinstall one? |
| 08:15.29 | xand | etch amd64 netinstall cd freezes when booting for me :( |
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| 08:18.38 | Guerin | xand: try various boot parameters - hit f1 when the cd boots |
| 08:18.55 | xand | I've tried about every combination :( |
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| 08:19.26 | sonofsam | :( |
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| 08:20.59 | xand | oh, sorry... I hadn't tried quite all, and have got further now c.c |
| 08:22.14 | chlue | Hello, Aptitude finds a lot of upgradeable packages, but if I want to see the changelog by pressing 'C' I get an error, that there is no changelog avaible. For example aptitude wants to install blender_2.44-2+b1, while the latest changelog points to blender_2.44-2 which is the latest version mentionend on packages.qa.debian.org, too. What does this mean? |
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| 08:24.01 | \amethyst | chlue: the mirrors often update before pdo does |
| 08:24.31 | tim_afflatus | danf_1979, is it a parallel connection? |
| 08:24.42 | danf_1979 | tim_afflatus, usb |
| 08:25.18 | tim_afflatus | danf_1979, ok, so nothing to do the b)rked ppdev then |
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| 08:26.15 | Gokee2 | How can I remove the config files for a package I have already removed? |
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| 08:27.12 | \amethyst | Gokee2: aptitude purge packagename |
| 08:27.59 | Gokee2 | \amethyst, Thanks :) |
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| 08:29.52 | chlue | \amethyst: I thought, packages in testing have to run trough unstable first, so there should be more than enough time for the servers to catch up. I begin to have the feeling this +bx versions are 'just' rebuilds of the same source. |
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| 08:33.22 | jetscreamer | the behavior is the same |
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| 08:35.06 | jenny_ | Hi. I'm having trouble with my audio. It was working fine yesterday. Today I get this: Sound server informational message: |
| 08:35.06 | jenny_ | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 08:35.06 | jenny_ | device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy) |
| 08:35.06 | jenny_ | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
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| 08:36.03 | jenny_ | does anyone know whats wrong with the audio? |
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| 08:40.34 | Dogg | http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9128 |
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| 08:42.02 | eif_zon | how can I change from smp to normal in my kernel? |
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| 08:44.57 | epsilon | xen anyone? what exactly do I need in udev's z25_persistent_net.rules to have same vif? |
| 08:45.12 | epsilon | the MAC and 'eth0' or 'vif1.0'? |
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| 08:52.48 | Supaplex|roaming | I'm so almost considering installing wordperfect 6 in dosemu *just* so these $*@%( envelopes will print correctly. |
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| 08:55.25 | Skyrail | I installed the KDE desktop sometime ago and with it, it installs all the little extras, problem is now I don't want KDE and I'd like to uninstall it, problem is I don't know how to 'easily' un-install everything it installed at first. So all the themes and all those annoying programs that begin with K (I like some of them...) |
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| 08:56.09 | Skyrail | I installed Gnome as standard when I installed Debian but tried out KDE but it's not quite 'my thing' |
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| 08:57.51 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'system logger' in the sentence "openlog() opens a connection to the system logger for a program." |
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| 08:59.45 | Supaplex|roaming | bullgard4: syslog I assume |
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| 09:00.16 | bullgard4 | Supaplex|roaming: Can you elaborate? |
| 09:00.57 | Supaplex|roaming | bullgard4: man, apropos are your friends. The closest thing I do c/o syslog is echo foo | logger -t blah |
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| 09:01.47 | aeshyama1 | hi is there a real time circuit simulation software in debian?i mean an interactive simulator for eg:which will show vaying output waveform as we change the input or so.... |
| 09:02.23 | wasdon | i run dual-OS. sound is ok in debian but XP complained that it cannot find my sound device. what's the problem here? |
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| 09:04.12 | contrast83 | wasdon: is the driver properly installed? |
| 09:04.15 | aeshyama1 | i mean a "draw and run"kind of softwares which is completely virtual? |
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| 09:06.14 | wasdon | contrast83: sound hw is based on the motherboard. standard fare. in debian, i use alsa. |
| 09:07.54 | contrast83 | right, but in windows, you still *sometimes* have to install a driver for onboard components, as was the case with my integrated video card some years back. |
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| 09:08.53 | wasdon | you are right. i am assuming too much here. will go check on the driver. thks. |
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| 09:19.49 | liable | hrm, new kernel again for etch |
| 09:20.18 | garryFre | Well, of all the distros, this debian is Snappy! |
| 09:21.04 | garryFre | Kind of wierd getting firefox set up and flashplayer and java running, but not a showstopper |
| 09:21.24 | nvz | firefox isn't in debian anymore |
| 09:21.36 | nvz | and getting java and flash running are dead simple |
| 09:21.56 | nvz | apt-get install sun-java5-plugin, how hard is that |
| 09:22.01 | garryFre | I couldn't get it to work with iceweasil or Ephiphany |
| 09:22.06 | garryFre | I did that |
| 09:22.43 | nvz | call me crazy, but are you trolling? |
| 09:22.50 | liable | hrm, not a kernel, just the meta package |
| 09:22.50 | garryFre | no |
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| 09:24.33 | garryFre | I got the feeling I should have come here, instead of what I did, I do prefer to do it "the debian way" |
| 09:25.01 | garryFre | jre installed ok, but not flashplayer |
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| 09:37.04 | garryFre | I was trying to compile something, and I got a complaint that cc was not found. I don't remember which package cc belongs to. Anyone know? |
| 09:37.11 | garryFre | !cc |
| 09:37.11 | dpkg | hmm... cc is Cocos (Keeling) Islands |
| 09:37.12 | cerulean` | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.12 | cerulean` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:37.21 | xand | cerulean`: what? |
| 09:37.31 | xand | garryFre: install build-essential |
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| 09:37.40 | Fer_re | LINUX FOREVER!!! |
| 09:37.40 | Fer_re | WINDOWS MUST DIE!!! |
| 09:37.40 | Fer_re | LET'S KILL GATES!!! |
| 09:37.40 | Fer_re | USE ONLY OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE!!! |
| 09:37.40 | Fer_re | HAPPY 16'th ANNIVERSARY, LINUX! |
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| 09:37.46 | garryFre | xand omg, yes, tahnks kindly. |
| 09:37.56 | fasta | When I try to create a directory on an appendable CDRW I get on stdout: Write Cap: Error (+ some other non-error messages) |
| 09:38.06 | garryFre | The name was right at tip of tongue |
| 09:38.13 | fasta | This is in k3b. |
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| 09:39.03 | fasta | I recently muddled around in my machine. Is it likely that I just forgot to connect one cable? |
| 09:39.03 | xand | :) |
| 09:39.21 | xand | fasta: depends, does dmesg mention the drive? |
| 09:39.45 | fasta | xand: I can read from the device |
| 09:39.59 | xand | it can't be that then |
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| 09:40.55 | fasta | xand: unless there are two different wires for reading and writing, but that would be unlikely |
| 09:41.33 | fasta | xand: oh, I already see the problem. |
| 09:41.48 | fasta | xand: it's the "intuitive" GUI ;) |
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| 09:42.34 | nvz | haha all kde apps have those gui's normal people with brains don't understand |
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| 09:43.06 | xand | fasta: no there arent different cables... i can't think of any hardware that was such things |
| 09:43.22 | xand | except for different wires in the same cable |
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| 09:43.49 | fasta | xand: yes, I was referring to the latter. |
| 09:44.03 | garryFre | Sometimes, I get to understanding something and it worries me, that maybe I'm developing an abby normal brain |
| 09:44.09 | fasta | xand: but luckily hardware had nothing to do with it |
| 09:44.35 | fasta | xand: it's happily burning now |
| 09:44.41 | xand | good |
| 09:44.50 | garryFre | Cool, yow did you fix it? |
| 09:45.25 | fasta | garryFre: I was confused by the k3b gui. In the file listing, I tried to create directory. |
| 09:45.37 | fasta | garryFre: but that's not how k3b works. |
| 09:46.06 | garryFre | fasta Yep. I tried same today, it was rather bewildering but it worked, I got debian iso burned. |
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| 09:46.58 | garryFre | I burned a net install with nero, its never failed before, and it was ... aweful, now I think I'll use linux cd/dvd burners. |
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| 09:47.16 | fasta | "Device reports bogus disc information length of 0" |
| 09:47.24 | fasta | Heh, real quality hardware ;) |
| 09:47.35 | fasta | Or bogus software ;) |
| 09:48.08 | garryFre | anyone's guess |
| 09:48.56 | fasta | adding udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_label_<something> |
| 09:49.06 | fasta | That's the last line on stdout, and it is now stalled. |
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| 09:50.53 | dbldtx | Quick question: I have two kernels, and at boot 2.6.18-5-686 is booted because I only have a usb keyboard which my bios refuses to read, so I cannot boot into 486... |
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| 09:51.09 | fasta | And it doesn't respond to closing it. I just love this quality software. |
| 09:51.11 | dbldtx | How can I see the *-5-686's location/package name so I can oust it? |
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| 09:52.42 | fasta | An application is preventing Foo from being unmounted... |
| 09:52.45 | fasta | OMG |
| 09:52.53 | fasta | There are no such applications anymore. |
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| 09:54.55 | fasta | hdd: DMA disabled hdd: ATAPI reset complete . That cannot be good |
| 09:55.01 | Gromgull | I am having some trouble building some kde packages, it seems to be a autotools problem. Is there some way to make the "default" autoconf, etc. point to the new versions rather than the old? they dont seem to be in /etc/alt. |
| 09:55.07 | fasta | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
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| 09:56.06 | garryFre | Wow that users was right, flash and java installed right into epiphany no problem. |
| 09:56.14 | fasta | I don't get how it's possible that the Linux kernel is so good while the user-space stuff is so full of cruft. |
| 09:56.15 | dbldtx | I boot up with 2.6.18-5-686 and 2.6.18-5-486 in GRUB, but since keyboard doesnt get functionality until boot, 686 is picked for me which I DO NOT WANT to select... |
| 09:56.25 | dbldtx | How can I see that it's installed or it's package name to remove it? |
| 09:56.37 | fasta | One would think that writing a decent kernel is more difficult. |
| 09:57.10 | garryFre | Dang, sounds like the keyboard is a module not built into the kernel |
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| 09:57.59 | hjb | Hi. Wie kann ich denn ein eingespieltes Upgrade wieder rückgängig machen? |
| 09:58.17 | fasta | !tell hjb about de |
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| 09:58.31 | zophy | mein gott |
| 09:58.36 | D3B14N | dbldtx; do u want to remove the 2.6.18-5-686 kernel ? |
| 09:58.48 | hjb | fasta :-) thanks |
| 09:58.58 | zophy | ich ein grottmudder |
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| 09:59.03 | Wulf_ | hjb: zur not die alten pakete nehmen und mit dpkg -i installieren ;-) |
| 09:59.22 | hjb | Wulf_ Finde ich die denn noch irgendwo? |
| 09:59.24 | fasta | The Germans invaded! |
| 09:59.27 | fasta | ;) |
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| 09:59.54 | Wulf_ | hjb: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 10:00.33 | fasta | dbldtx: AFAIK, your keyboard should work in Grub regardless of what kernel you have. |
| 10:00.39 | hjb | Wulf_ i have executed "aptitude clean" not long ago :-/ |
| 10:00.49 | fasta | dbldtx: i.e. the BIOS should provide that feature. |
| 10:01.18 | Wulf_ | hjb: there's some archive of all packages somewhere, but I cannot remember the URL |
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| 10:01.23 | fasta | dbldtx: how can you edit your BIOS options otherwise? |
| 10:01.47 | chlue | hjb: they might be in /var/cache/apt, too. This way you don't have to redownload them. |
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| 10:02.33 | chlue | hjb: ups to late |
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| 10:05.12 | Wulf_ | hjb: http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 10:08.11 | hjb | Wulf_ hmm, i'll try it |
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| 10:12.56 | waspius | hi..what is the fstype for fat32? |
| 10:13.09 | karsten | waspius: vfat |
| 10:13.33 | waspius | thanx |
| 10:13.36 | karsten | waspius: Or are you referring to the partition label thing (fdisk)? |
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| 10:14.01 | waspius | karsten: no to vfat..thank you |
| 10:14.05 | karsten | NP |
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| 10:16.14 | waspius | and if it was a ntfs drive how would you write its fstype? |
| 10:16.16 | JordiGH | Well, this is rather weird. When booting fsck complains that my hard drive's superblock is wrong, and drops me at a "give root password for maintenance" thing. If I ignore that, though, the computer boots and seemingly everything is in order. |
| 10:16.28 | JordiGH | I goofed up an ext3 resize operation, btw. Can I recover? |
| 10:16.47 | wols | JordiGH: fscsk the partition? |
| 10:16.53 | wols | *fsck |
| 10:17.08 | JordiGH | wols: fsck doesn't find a problem with it. |
| 10:17.21 | JordiGH | wols: Even fsck -f is fine. |
| 10:17.45 | wols | try to get a copy of serveral superblocks (they are all over the disk) |
| 10:17.47 | wols | and compare them |
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| 10:17.58 | JordiGH | wols: How do I do that? |
| 10:17.58 | wols | one field might be bad on the first (main) one |
| 10:18.15 | wols | that's the question... :( |
| 10:18.25 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 10:18.26 | wols | iirc every 8192 blocks there is a superblock |
| 10:18.37 | wols | first sector is the first (and main) one |
| 10:18.42 | wols | the rest are backup superblocks |
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| 10:19.06 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 10:19.23 | JordiGH | And how can I view them? |
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| 10:21.41 | wols | hex editor :) |
| 10:21.55 | wols | or compare them via diff or such |
| 10:22.25 | wols | you bothced your resize operation, which probably killed something |
| 10:23.10 | JordiGH | Emacs has a hex editor... but I don't know how to tell Emacs to read a specific part of the hard drive. :-( |
| 10:23.16 | JordiGH | Gah. |
| 10:23.35 | JordiGH | I wonder if I could just ignore it, since I am currently using this botched drive. |
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| 10:23.44 | wols | JordiGH: use dd to exract a secor(s) to a file |
| 10:24.02 | dragonheart | a mkfs.ext{2,3} with a pretend option -n will show you where they are |
| 10:24.07 | wols | edit htat, then if you feel REALLY confident (have backups and a LiveCD handy!) use dd to put it back |
| 10:24.55 | dragonheart | debugfs will help navigate a raw image |
| 10:26.01 | JordiGH | wols: Is the first superblock at sector 0? |
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| 10:28.35 | JordiGH | Hm, ok, I'll boot into Knoppix. I probably should backup... |
| 10:28.41 | dragonheart | JordiGH: i wouldn't have thought so |
| 10:28.58 | dragonheart | look at the mkfs.ext2/3 -n /dev/xxxx |
| 10:29.40 | JordiGH | Alright. Be back in five minutes will I reboot to Knoppix. |
| 10:29.56 | dragonheart | k |
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| 10:31.42 | zophy | how can i have a folder other than ~/Desktop be used for the gnome desktop ? |
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| 10:32.35 | zophy | can i have different desktop folders for each virtual desktop ? |
| 10:32.50 | zophy | hmmmm ? |
| 10:33.00 | zophy | join #gnome |
| 10:33.04 | tim_afflatus | zophy, probably not |
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| 10:33.41 | FordCortina | is there a way of installing a package like pommed on debian unstable, on a system running debian stable? |
| 10:34.05 | tim_afflatus | FordCortina, backports? |
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| 10:35.08 | FordCortina | tim_afflatus: does that mean i have to enable a special repo? |
| 10:35.13 | JordiGH | Alright, so mkfs.ext3 -n /dev/sda1, eh? |
| 10:35.21 | Braindead | !tell FordCortina about backports |
| 10:35.28 | FordCortina | cheers |
| 10:36.17 | dragonheart | JordiGH: yep |
| 10:36.21 | JordiGH | dragonheart: What do I do with these numbers now? e2fsck -b [block-number]? |
| 10:36.39 | dragonheart | you'll also see that mount has a option sb= to specify a super block |
| 10:37.13 | JordiGH | Ah, ok. So I just have to edit my /etc/fstab? |
| 10:37.31 | dragonheart | or do it manually - good idea with e2fsck though |
| 10:39.10 | dragonheart | could do a -c option with e2fsck too |
| 10:40.03 | JordiGH | a badblock isn't the same thing as a corrupt superblock, is it? That's for hardware failure, not wetware ones. |
| 10:40.32 | tim_afflatus | FordCortina, yes. |
| 10:40.36 | dragonheart | y |
| 10:41.25 | epsilon | how do I remove interfaces not listed in /etc/network/interfaces, but show up on ifconfig -a? |
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| 10:42.02 | JordiGH | dragonheart: Btw, how do you know about this superblock business? You've messed up ext3 resize operations too? :-) |
| 10:43.01 | dragonheart | saw a talk from tridge about it about 6 months ago. yes i've does ext3 resizing too a few times |
| 10:43.13 | JordiGH | Hm, fsck did something. "free inodes count wrong" and other counts were wrong. |
| 10:43.27 | JordiGH | I'll try rebooting again. |
| 10:43.52 | JordiGH | brb |
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| 10:45.26 | maxlist | hi guys, i've got problems with alsa muting my linein and i figured out that a `alsactl restore` solves the problem |
| 10:45.38 | maxlist | i just don't know where to write it down so it is started at boottime |
| 10:45.40 | maxlist | any hints ? |
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| 10:46.32 | maxlist | (i've already tried with a tiny script in /etc/init.d, yet it didn't work out) |
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| 10:48.26 | Eulex | maxlist, you'll have to link it into the right directory so it's run at the correct run level too |
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| 10:49.52 | FordCortina | im having difficulty getting sudo to prompt for authentication. man page says it should do it by default. I've even added the authenticate option but no effect :( . my /etc/sudoers: http://rafb.net/p/f927z654.html |
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| 10:50.32 | Eulex | FordCortina, what exactly is not workly? |
| 10:50.34 | JordiGH | Oh, wow. I'm dumb. There probably was nothing wrong with the partition. |
| 10:51.01 | JordiGH | I had left a stray entry in /etc/fstab to mount the /home partition I was going to make... but there was no /home partition. |
| 10:51.27 | Eulex | *working |
| 10:51.42 | FordCortina | Eulex: i want sudo to prompt me for a password whenever i use it. (with a timeout of course). Right now it just lets me sudo without asking for my password. |
| 10:51.42 | JordiGH | Ok now. Everything seems to be back to normal. So let me try again. What's the proper way to resize an ext3 partition? |
| 10:51.59 | jelly-home | FordCortina: did it ask you the first time? |
| 10:52.08 | FordCortina | jelly-home: no |
| 10:52.11 | JordiGH | FordCortina: sudo has a bug if you add yourself to the sudoers group. Did you do that? |
| 10:52.19 | dragonheart | JordiGH: up or down? |
| 10:52.45 | JordiGH | dragonheart: Down. Right now the partition is all of the disk. I want to shrink it a tiny part and put /home on the other part. |
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| 10:53.01 | FordCortina | JordiGH: i made a wheel group and then added myself to wheel. so i guess i did! |
| 10:53.15 | FordCortina | (and wheel is in sudoers |
| 10:53.17 | FordCortina | ) |
| 10:53.34 | Eulex | !wheel |
| 10:53.34 | dpkg | hmm... wheel is n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. A person who has an active wheel bit (A privilege bit that allows the possessor to perform some restricted operation on a timesharing system like TENEX/TOPS-20/XEROX-IFS...). Irrelevant in debian default configs; don't use it unless you have a specific reason to do so. |
| 10:53.48 | Eulex | ^^^^ |
| 10:54.06 | dragonheart | JordiGH: shrink the filesystem more that you need to. split the partiion table. resize the filesystem and it will detect the full volume |
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| 10:54.32 | JordiGH | dragonheart: Ah, ok. |
| 10:55.00 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I find gparted livecd useful for such actions |
| 10:55.26 | JordiGH | dragonheart: So, resize2fs to smaller than I really want. Then parted to create the actual partitions that I want. Finally resize2fs and I let it pick the default size? |
| 10:55.51 | dragonheart | y - or gparted |
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| 10:55.58 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Yeah, my Knoppix cd with qtparted has failed me. :-( |
| 10:56.00 | FordCortina | Eulex: im aware of the history. what's wrong with having a group of users with superuser access? |
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| 10:56.19 | FordCortina | Eulex: or is it just the name? |
| 10:56.21 | edistar | JordiGH: try the ubuntu gparted or the original gparted livecd |
| 10:56.36 | jelly-home | JordiGH: there is a reason why I said gparted and not qtparted :-P |
| 10:57.20 | JordiGH | At the moment burning another cd isn't an option. But dragonheart has made me believe that this time I really know how to do what I want to do. |
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| 11:00.18 | JordiGH | FordCortina: I suppose it's debatable if it's a bug or not: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=198991 |
| 11:01.35 | JordiGH | At the very least it's an undocumented feature. |
| 11:01.46 | JordiGH | Okay, here I go resizin' again. |
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| 11:08.47 | FordCortina | ok i got rid of the wheel group |
| 11:09.23 | FordCortina | and replaced the wheel entry with my username instead of %wheel. it's still not asking for a password |
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| 11:11.31 | Apachez | how do one mount tmpfs and ramfs in debian etch ? |
| 11:11.45 | Apachez | like if I want to create a 2G large ramdisk to test the mem with dd ? |
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| 11:12.46 | FordCortina | im going to log out and log in see if that make any difference |
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| 11:15.34 | FordCortina | it was still not asking for my password when i logged in, but the then i deleted the directory with my user name from /var/run/sudo/ and it started working properly after than |
| 11:15.42 | FordCortina | that* |
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| 11:19.04 | riot | do the stock-kernels (2.6.21-2-k7 here) come with masquerading and forwarding? |
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| 11:20.57 | FordCortina | i want to backport a package from unstable onto etch has to process changed much from woody-days? i.e. should i be able to follow this howto http://debian.ethz.ch/pub/debian-backports/utils/Backport-HOWTO.html ? |
| 11:21.29 | wols | !tell FordCortina about simple sid backport |
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| 11:23.55 | dZen|n| | Hello do you know where I can dl debian with kde? |
| 11:24.59 | frog_ | hi, what should i install when i'm getting this error: netinet/sctp.h : No such file or directory while compiling? kernel- or glib headers? |
| 11:25.04 | FordCortina | sry i guess i sort of asked the same question twice. i've seen what dpkg told me, but i guess when i went searching for clarification the instructions for woody confuse me. I will try to follow dpkgs instructions. |
| 11:25.19 | FordCortina | confused* |
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| 11:27.13 | FordCortina | instead of adding a line for sid in sources.list i will have to add a line for "unstable", right. the package i am trying to backport is in unstable. |
| 11:27.52 | FordCortina | (sry i mean to put a question mark after "right" but i hit enter in stead :( ) |
| 11:28.04 | FordCortina | meant* |
| 11:28.20 | twb | dZen|n|: Debian always contains KDE. |
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| 11:29.49 | FordCortina | if add lines in sources.list for "testing" and "unstable", that won't change default source from "stable" right? |
| 11:30.11 | FordCortina | if i* add lines |
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| 11:32.10 | simon23 | hi - i have problems with convmv to convert filenames from one encoding to utf8 for example. but i always get an error because i cant specify the current encoding... how can i find out the current encoding? would be great if you could help me. |
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| 11:32.45 | simon23 | i already read the manpage and ls -la doesnt help either. |
| 11:33.09 | LiberCogito | Is there anyway to make gnome do the right click for a full menu like xfce does? |
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| 11:33.31 | abrotman | LiberCogito: middle click ? |
| 11:34.15 | twb | FordCortina: by default, it will. |
| 11:34.29 | twb | FordCortina: you put stuff in apt.conf to prevent this. |
| 11:34.31 | abrotman | twb: it does ? |
| 11:34.37 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 11:34.49 | FordCortina | thanks twb |
| 11:34.55 | Braindead | !simple sid backport |
| 11:34.55 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 11:35.08 | Braindead | and I'd like to underline DEB-SRC |
| 11:35.30 | twb | That's what *I* do. |
| 11:35.34 | LiberCogito | abrotman: nope. |
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| 11:35.58 | abrotman | LiberCogito: which WM do you use? i use sawfish .. and when i middle click .. there's a menu that contains a programs menu |
| 11:36.05 | twb | You can also use pinning, but that gives me headache because it seems to distinguish between "testing" and "lenny". |
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| 11:36.45 | Last0 | Why when i compile kernel with grsecurity patch i receive warning: missing initializer |
| 11:36.52 | twb | abrotman: he could use 9menu/ratmenu, which are WM-agnostic. |
| 11:37.21 | abrotman | twb: he'd still have to launch it with a right click in gnome |
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| 11:38.13 | FordCortina | so if use deb-src it won't change my default source to "testing" or "unstable" whereas a plain "deb" line would. (which ever is relevant to the line i put in). |
| 11:38.22 | Braindead | yep |
| 11:38.30 | FordCortina | thanks |
| 11:38.50 | abrotman | and pinning introduces mixing which can be *very* bad |
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| 11:41.55 | FordCortina | does aptitude have an equivalent to the build-dep command? |
| 11:42.34 | twb | AFAIK, no. |
| 11:42.57 | twb | Aug 25 00:06:02 baal sSMTP[31891]: killed: timeout on stdin while reading body -- message saved to dead.letter. |
| 11:43.10 | twb | Is that ssmtp's fault, or the postfix daemon it's connecting to? |
| 11:43.38 | abrotman | disk ? |
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| 11:43.49 | twb | abrotman: eh? |
| 11:44.04 | abrotman | where was it reading the body from ? |
| 11:44.13 | twb | A cron job. |
| 11:44.36 | twb | Cron jobs regularly provoke that error, either because they're slow or because they generate copious output. |
| 11:44.38 | abrotman | you're using postfix as the smarthost ? |
| 11:44.52 | twb | Yes, postfix is sitting on another server. |
| 11:45.04 | abrotman | i'd imagine if it were an smtp issue .. it'd say something about communicating with a host |
| 11:45.07 | twb | It accepts mail via ssmtp when using mutt. |
| 11:46.02 | twb | So I suspect it's either 1) ssmtp sucks; or 2) postfix is rejecting the mail because it's too long / times out, and ssmtp gives a stupid error. |
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| 11:46.20 | szymon_g | hi |
| 11:46.20 | abrotman | doesn't say anything about postfix or another host though |
| 11:46.23 | abrotman | try nullmailer ? |
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| 11:46.30 | [sr] | hi people |
| 11:46.36 | abrotman | people?! |
| 11:46.38 | twb | Well, I was just gonna say "fuck it" and put postfix on the satellite system, too. |
| 11:46.40 | [sr] | :P |
| 11:47.05 | [sr] | after i updated to postfix_2.4.5-3 and postfix-mysql_2.4.5-3 |
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| 11:47.14 | [sr] | whole my sasl mech stoped working |
| 11:47.17 | [sr] | is this known? |
| 11:47.41 | [sr] | i was using the packages postfix_2.4.5-1 and postfix-mysql_2.4.5-1 before |
| 11:47.50 | [sr] | i don't find them on the web to downgrade :( |
| 11:47.51 | abrotman | you're running mail on testing/unstable ? |
| 11:47.57 | abrotman | !btssmite [sr] |
| 11:48.10 | [sr] | yes |
| 11:48.12 | [sr] | don't kill me |
| 11:48.44 | twb | Hey, what's the package that tells you which package to install when you try to run "foo" in the shell when it's not installed? |
| 11:48.53 | [sr] | how can i see what has been changed in the package? |
| 11:48.55 | twb | I noticed Feisty doing it and ISTR there's a package in Debian. |
| 11:48.56 | abrotman | [sr]: also .. check the error logs |
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| 11:49.15 | [sr] | abrotman no errors, just "auth failed |
| 11:49.16 | [sr] | " |
| 11:49.17 | [sr] | damn |
| 11:49.33 | [sr] | abrotman, ah, and stable packages contein the same that sid |
| 11:49.52 | abrotman | they do ? |
| 11:50.00 | [sr] | yap |
| 11:50.07 | abrotman | they're not the same versions |
| 11:50.07 | szymon_g | ekhm, do anyone has an experience in usage of apt-build? :P? |
| 11:50.16 | abrotman | szymon_g: just ask |
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| 11:50.27 | abrotman | [sr]: have you tried to re-setup sasl ? |
| 11:50.30 | Trewas | twb: package is command-not-found in ubuntu, but it doesn't seem to be in debian at least with the same package name |
| 11:50.39 | [sr] | abrotman ya but all equal |
| 11:50.41 | [sr] | no diference |
| 11:50.50 | [sr] | postfix isn't communicating with sasl |
| 11:51.06 | abrotman | check in /usr/share/doc/postfix/ ? |
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| 11:51.31 | twb | Trewas: oh, OK. |
| 11:51.39 | szymon_g | ok : where should i put cfflags : into 'options' line or into 'make_options' line in apt-build.conf ? |
| 11:51.42 | lordrich | is there any policy on how early I should start a daemon in init.d? |
| 11:51.50 | lordrich | or any reason I shouldn't be starting my daemon really early? |
| 11:52.03 | twb | lordrich: either invoke-rc.d, or calling the script directly. |
| 11:52.25 | lordrich | It's set as s30, but I want to start it earlier on bootup |
| 11:52.35 | lordrich | so would there be a problem me setting it to say s15? |
| 11:52.37 | twb | lordrich: oh, you want to change when it starts? |
| 11:52.41 | lordrich | yes |
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| 11:52.50 | mbroeker | [sr], are you using a sasldb or do you use another auth mech? |
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| 11:53.05 | twb | All that matters is that you get the number right, e.g. as 20 I think the disks are guaranteed to be activated. |
| 11:53.29 | twb | lordrich: there are README files in /etc/rc?.d/ |
| 11:53.57 | twb | And in /etc/init.d. |
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| 11:54.41 | [sr] | mbroeker auxprop with mysql |
| 11:54.49 | lordrich | yeah, but they don't tell me if bad things will happen if I try starting something much earlier |
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| 11:55.37 | FordCortina | (my source.list: http://rafb.net/p/DjBURI19.html ) I've entered deb-src lines for testing and unstable. the package i am trying to backport is http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/pommed . but i can't find it with aptitude search pommed . (I have done an aptitude update btw) |
| 11:56.14 | abrotman | iirc .. it doesn't search source |
| 11:56.16 | twb | FordCortina: aptitude only lists binary packages |
| 11:56.25 | FordCortina | right |
| 11:56.40 | twb | abrotman: haha, I read that as "installed, installed, reinstall, configured" |
| 11:56.50 | abrotman | ? |
| 11:56.57 | twb | abrotman: like, dpkg -l output |
| 11:57.00 | abrotman | oh |
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| 11:57.15 | abrotman | you mean removed ? |
| 11:57.21 | twb | Whatever |
| 11:57.23 | abrotman | conf files |
| 11:57.43 | abrotman | they call me mr buzz kill |
| 11:58.01 | mbroeker | [sr], Aug 25 13:56:30 largo postfix/smtpd[2405]: 0E57E17AD: client=fritz.localnet[192.168.178.1], sasl_method=LOGIN, sasl_username=abc@domain |
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| 11:58.41 | mbroeker | [sr], check, if it works with a sasldb or similiar and if that works, try to switch to mysql. |
| 11:58.58 | [sr] | mbroeker can we talk in private? don't you mind? |
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| 12:04.14 | nibu | hi! |
| 12:04.26 | abrotman | *chirp* |
| 12:04.45 | nibu | some one know how dvds do I need to make an basic instalation on a notebook? |
| 12:04.52 | curator | hey guys. i got error on booting kernel. problem is i cant see it cause i only have ssh control. Is there a boot.log or something like it ? |
| 12:05.04 | abrotman | nibu: one |
| 12:05.07 | abrotman | or use the netinst |
| 12:05.17 | twb | nibu: zero. |
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| 12:06.05 | nibu | thanks abrotman |
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| 12:06.14 | cahoot | curator, if you really have problem booting the kernel I doubt you'll have any logs written |
| 12:06.43 | wols | CrazyEddy: there isn't any log. there is the grub fallback option that's all |
| 12:06.45 | curator | cahoot so i have no chance of finding out what the problem exactly is ? |
| 12:07.02 | wols | nibu: no dvd needed. for a "basic" isntall you only need netinst cd |
| 12:07.13 | klikklak | was there a dvdshrink like program in the debian archives? ... I need to compress dvd9 _files_ to dvd5 and all the tools available seem to only do discs and not files |
| 12:08.05 | cahoot | curator, not unless you hav a serial console or physical access |
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| 12:10.08 | curator | cahoot i wont ever have.. so ill have to explain my problems to you.. i crashed my mbr and had to reinstall it. now im trying to fix my grub, but it wont work http://paste.debian.net/35406 . It does not boot the kernel, you got any idea ? |
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| 12:10.40 | nibu | wols, I wanna mean an basic install with xorg interface |
| 12:11.07 | Xtypewriter74 | hi, what do need to do to get a gui-based-controlpanel for my ATI RADEON 9950 GC. |
| 12:11.30 | lordrich | The init scripts in rc?.d just run consecutively right? IS there any way of making one depend on another having completed? |
| 12:11.46 | cahoot | curator, how do you manage to access grub of the system won't boot? |
| 12:11.48 | Xtypewriter74 | i have debian etch stable |
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| 12:12.28 | wols | nibu: first CD/DVD then |
| 12:12.59 | curator | cahoot, i let it boot from livecd, mount everything (sysfs, proc, hda3 to /mnt, and sda1 to /mnt/boot) and chroot /mnt |
| 12:13.19 | nibu | wols, thanks |
| 12:13.29 | twb | wols: ISTR that netinst includes installgui. |
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| 12:13.52 | twb | It's perfectly possible to install Debian over the network. |
| 12:14.09 | twb | That is to say, without a CD at all. |
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| 12:16.01 | cahoot | curator, ok I'm no expert on this - just resurrected my grub once by chroot and grub-install /dev/sda |
| 12:16.23 | curator | cahoot i have done this without problems |
| 12:16.30 | curator | but it wont boot |
| 12:17.28 | twb | curator: define `won't boot'. |
| 12:17.46 | curator | cause i got only ssh access i cant say any more |
| 12:17.47 | cahoot | curator, and you have no means to figure out / get hold of any error msg? |
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| 12:18.39 | lordrich | curator: have you tried update-grub? |
| 12:18.42 | curator | cahoot i got some error messages while my journey but i fixed them all. now when i grub-install and update-grub it looks perfectly good. i really got no ideas |
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| 12:22.46 | curator | is it possible, that i THINK grub is working correctly, but it doesnt even load on boot ? i got lilo before, removed it and installed grub |
| 12:23.19 | vlt | Hello. I got a really unexpected NFS problem. The client wants to open "/mnt/server/file" but "file" on the server is a symlink to the server's "/mnt/somewhere/realfile". Now *the client* tries to follow "/mnt/somewhere/realfile" which obviously doens't exist. How can I force the server to deliver "realfile" to the cient (w/o using CIFS where this would work fine)? |
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| 12:25.18 | cahoot | curator, sorry I've nothing constructive to offer |
| 12:25.37 | curator | that was my worst nightmare you could say |
| 12:25.52 | FordCortina | thanks guys i've sucessfully done my first couple of backports :) |
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| 12:26.31 | Tommy | hi everybody |
| 12:26.48 | abrotman | curator: can't the ISP tell you what the error is ? |
| 12:27.33 | curator | he would have to carry some monitor to my server and look what it says. thats 50$ for me |
| 12:27.50 | o2T7 | Hi. I have a silly problem with mixing audio |
| 12:27.54 | abrotman | curator: uhm okay .. |
| 12:28.00 | o2T7 | I want to keep mic |
| 12:28.04 | abrotman | curator: is there a /var/log/boot.log.0 ? |
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| 12:28.14 | curator | abrotman i will look ! |
| 12:28.20 | o2T7 | on the other side of voip communication |
| 12:28.31 | o2T7 | but stop hearing it on my speakers |
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| 12:29.00 | o2T7 | But if i raise down mic level it stops caching ths sound of the microphone |
| 12:30.10 | dutchfish | is it possible to detect battery overload through monitoring ACPI functions or other ways? This is why i ask (i have the same model): http://www.hardware.info/en-US/extcontent/ZpaZbZhomZvGbpSbyA/Dell_laptop_explodes_like_fireworks/ |
| 12:30.41 | curator | abrotman there only /var/log/boot which says "doesnt log anything" |
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| 12:31.02 | curator | but thanks for the idea :) |
| 12:31.12 | abrotman | maybe dmesg.0 ? |
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| 12:31.42 | abrotman | oh wait .. there's a way to turn boot logging on IIRC .. though .. that also depends if your system boots to the point where it could actually mount/write to a disk |
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| 12:32.00 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 12:32.01 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 12:32.07 | curator | !bootlog |
| 12:32.10 | dutchfish | !sysstat |
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| 12:32.25 | avar | Hi, I have dhcpcd and iwconfig. Are there any other tools that make it easy to find hotspots? |
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| 12:32.56 | avar | like a tool that gives me a list of curently detected (but not used) networks |
| 12:33.35 | drizzd | the wireless-tools package contains iwspy |
| 12:33.41 | drizzd | doesn't seem to work for me though |
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| 12:34.18 | Douglas[BNC] | Is there any way to enable gnome's VNC login via ssh? |
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| 12:35.09 | curator | abrotman its rebooting right now... pray itll work :) |
| 12:35.16 | uberspaced | I'm on debian etch and I've installed the following packages: libpam-krb5, ssh-krb5, krb5-user |
| 12:35.21 | abrotman | curator: don't you have to pay for them to reboot it when it dies ? |
| 12:35.31 | uberspaced | i can kinit on both boxes as a user, I can use my kerberos password to log in to both boxes |
| 12:35.42 | abrotman | Douglas[BNC]: isn't it called vino ? |
| 12:35.47 | curator | abrotman it would be horrorible if i had to ! thanks god its in service :) |
| 12:35.48 | uberspaced | but it wont automatically let me in if i kinit on one and log into another. |
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| 12:35.56 | abrotman | curator: they must hate you :) |
| 12:36.04 | Douglas[BNC] | abrotman: you know more than i do |
| 12:36.08 | Douglas[BNC] | is there a config file or something? |
| 12:36.12 | uberspaced | are there docs that explain how to set up ssh to automatically let you in when you have a valid ticket? |
| 12:36.13 | abrotman | Douglas[BNC]: you hope i do :) |
| 12:36.16 | curator | abrotman yes i know :( |
| 12:36.28 | Douglas[BNC] | abrotman: is that how? with vino? to enable vnc |
| 12:36.29 | Douglas[BNC] | it's on a VPS |
| 12:36.30 | Douglas[BNC] | the gnome |
| 12:36.37 | abrotman | !info vino etch |
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| 12:36.44 | dpkg | vino: (VNC server for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.16.0-5 (etch), Packaged size: 309 kB, Installed size: 1968 kB |
| 12:36.56 | Douglas[BNC] | works for me |
| 12:36.58 | abrotman | or use a real vncserver |
| 12:37.00 | uberspaced | i've also configured the files in /etc/pam.d/ the way the libpam-krb5 docs say |
| 12:37.10 | moshii | Douglas[BNC]: gnome on a vps? asking for trouble |
| 12:37.10 | Douglas[BNC] | does that auto-enable me to login to gnome though? |
| 12:37.17 | Douglas[BNC] | moshii: yup. |
| 12:37.18 | abrotman | Douglas[BNC]: NFC .. never used it |
| 12:37.20 | Douglas[BNC] | haha. |
| 12:37.33 | avar | drizzd: tried sudo iwspy $iface $mac_addr_of_iface ? |
| 12:37.42 | moshii | Douglas[BNC]: xen or openvz (or similar)? |
| 12:37.47 | Douglas[BNC] | OpenVZ |
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| 12:38.14 | moshii | Douglas[BNC]: I'm surprised it doesn't puke when you tried to alloc enough memory for gnome.. |
| 12:38.21 | Douglas[BNC] | mo1991 |
| 12:38.22 | Douglas[BNC] | er |
| 12:38.23 | Douglas[BNC] | moshii |
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| 12:38.29 | moshii | Douglas[BNC]: *when you try |
| 12:38.31 | Douglas[BNC] | 384 / 512 burst is enough, no? |
| 12:38.57 | Douglas[BNC] | i mean |
| 12:39.06 | Douglas[BNC] | i've run debian + gnome on an old P3 733 with 128 MB ram |
| 12:39.09 | Douglas[BNC] | and it was lag-free |
| 12:39.11 | moshii | Douglas[BNC]: yes, but openvz doesn't like to allocate a lot of memory in one go, aptitude segfaults on one of mine haha |
| 12:39.32 | Douglas[BNC] | i have openvz tweaking on it done by a Virtuozzo trained professional, so we'll see. |
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| 12:39.41 | curator | is it bad to deinstall paket named "mbr" and reinstall it then ? ... may i configure something afterwards ? |
| 12:39.57 | abrotman | package named mbr ? |
| 12:40.14 | curator | it happend 1 night ago |
| 12:40.28 | moshii | Douglas[BNC]: xen with hardware support is "better" for running "full" machines :) |
| 12:40.36 | Douglas[BNC] | yaeh |
| 12:40.38 | Douglas[BNC] | yeah* |
| 12:40.41 | Douglas[BNC] | I thought about Xen. |
| 12:40.43 | curator | is it really the [m]aster [b]oot [r]ecord in package-form ? oO |
| 12:41.20 | nevyn | yes |
| 12:41.29 | nevyn | but it's the application that installs a mbr |
| 12:41.44 | curator | so my old mbr is still functionally ? |
| 12:41.48 | nevyn | so as long as it ran at some point during install you don't technically need it |
| 12:41.52 | Douglas[BNC] | abrotman: it installed vino, however, does that enable remote login automatically? |
| 12:41.58 | nevyn | s/don't/shouldn't |
| 12:42.02 | abrotman | Douglas[BNC]: see my above comment |
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| 12:43.32 | dutchfish | is it possible to detect battery overload through monitoring ACPI functions or other ways? This is why i ask (i have the same model): http://www.hardware.info/en-US/extcontent/ZpaZbZhomZvGbpSbyA/Dell_laptop_explodes_like_fireworks/ |
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| 12:43.58 | curator | abrotman it doesnt create new boot.log ... that means the boot doenst reach mounting the filesystem. that sucks ... |
| 12:44.18 | abrotman | curator: which kernel are you try to upgrade to/from ? |
| 12:44.28 | curator | i got 3 kernels now |
| 12:44.38 | abrotman | are they debian kernels ? |
| 12:44.44 | curator | yes |
| 12:44.49 | abrotman | so which ones ? |
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| 12:45.48 | Raging_Hog | Playing with the thought of going from stable to testing. I installed etch testing, now it's stable as my reps and aptitude upgrade at stable would require 181MB of downloads, using testings reps it would need 166MB. What's a rough estimate on profanities I'll be crying out? |
| 12:45.55 | curator | 2.6.18-k7 was the old one. 2.6.18 was the newer, it worked. 2.6.18-cks was the new one i tried to run. but now, if i edit menu.lst that it boots old kernel it doenst boot, too. its chaos and i cant fugire out why. |
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| 12:46.18 | abrotman | cks isn't a debian kernel |
| 12:46.39 | curator | cks is just my personal naming, cause i applied an cks patch |
| 12:46.49 | abrotman | curator: right .. but you're missing the point |
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| 12:47.00 | abrotman | curator: the debian packaged kernels work .. right ? |
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| 12:47.05 | curator | no ! |
| 12:47.14 | abrotman | so what is 2.6.18-k7 ? |
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| 12:47.28 | curator | since the new kernel the old ones wont boot, too. thats an serious problem now ! |
| 12:47.45 | abrotman | so which kernel is on there right now .. and working |
| 12:47.48 | dutchfish | abrotman, curator, could this be the same depmod problem i ran into lately with the latest kernel security fix? |
| 12:48.07 | abrotman | dutchfish: nfc .. but i'm trying to figure out which kernels are borken/working |
| 12:48.12 | abrotman | and which are debian packaged and not |
| 12:48.19 | curator | the 2.6.18 kernel was before and ran perfectly. 2.6.18-k7 ran when i bought that machine |
| 12:48.36 | abrotman | curator: you're logged in right now ? |
| 12:48.47 | curator | through ssh and chroot, yes |
| 12:48.47 | abrotman | curator: cat /proc/version |
| 12:48.55 | abrotman | oh .. chroot ... |
| 12:48.58 | curator | yes |
| 12:49.07 | abrotman | so the old kernel that did work .. is now broken ? |
| 12:49.26 | curator | i can only say, the old kernel that has worked doesnt boot now, yes |
| 12:49.47 | abrotman | your system has just a / ? |
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| 12:50.21 | curator | abrotman /dev/sda1 is the place where the vmlinuz are. /dev/sda3 is /root |
| 12:50.34 | abrotman | you have a / and a /root/ ? |
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| 12:51.30 | avar | w 22 |
| 12:51.34 | abrotman | can you get your menu.lst ? |
| 12:51.52 | curator | yes i can, ill post it, one moment |
| 12:52.47 | curator | paste.debian .. 80 characters arent enough, is there another place ? |
| 12:53.04 | abrotman | aren't enough ? |
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| 12:53.22 | abrotman | your menu.lst should be more than 80 chars |
| 12:53.30 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:53.30 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:54.53 | o2T7 | I can't remove nvidia-glx |
| 12:54.54 | o2T7 | I get |
| 12:54.56 | o2T7 | "rm: i can't deleete «/usr/lib/libGL.so»: File not found\ndpkg-divert: renaming tries to overwrite `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' with a different file `/usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa', not allowed" |
| 12:55.31 | o2T7 | apt-get -f --purge remove gives me the same error too |
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| 12:56.35 | curator | http://rafb.net/p/ZPpMrp38.html . As you can see i last tried to boot my old kernel. the newest is the last |
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| 12:57.05 | curator | it looks good |
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| 12:58.12 | dutchfish | curator did you tried recreating the initrd-image already for your burken kernel? |
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| 12:59.27 | curator | dutchfish i recompiled whole kernel 4 times, with --initrd on. so wasnt it recreated automaticly ? But the problem is, that my old kernels wont work too, since then. |
| 13:00.07 | dutchfish | curator, yes/no if you first created a deb package it would, otherwise it wont |
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| 13:00.56 | curator | a .deb was created. i installed dpkg -i kernel-image**.deb and dpkg -i kernel-headers***.deb |
| 13:01.11 | hav0x | i need pbuilder to use a few debs that aren't in the repos. how do i give it to him/ chroot the pbuilder env and install them? |
| 13:01.16 | dutchfish | curator, that should cover it |
| 13:01.19 | enouf | curator: make sure the symlink in / points to the initrd you're using - one (or more) should be named .old |
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| 13:02.05 | curator | initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.18.4 |
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| 13:02.09 | curator | vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.4 |
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| 13:02.47 | enouf | ok, looks good - where exactly does it bork? |
| 13:02.50 | S4nD3r | I have a trouble |
| 13:02.55 | Pc_Dark | for a basic homeserver, what version of debian should I use. No GUI, good for web-dev and a samba share. |
| 13:03.02 | enouf | (looks good ,if you're booting that kernel) |
| 13:03.08 | o2T7 | How could i solve this? |
| 13:03.08 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/axk8RcAAs |
| 13:03.16 | S4nD3r | I installed mplayer in my iceweasel, but this is not show the videos, just playing the sound |
| 13:03.21 | S4nD3r | i dont know what to do |
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| 13:03.31 | enouf | mplayer -vo x11 |
| 13:03.51 | enouf | oh, that's a firepoop plugin thingy |
| 13:04.04 | curator | enouf it wont boot... since i tried to install another kernel... that one i want to boot now is the old, which doenst work now anymore |
| 13:04.24 | enouf | curator: where / when does it fail, exactly |
| 13:04.49 | dutchfish | curator, i am not sure but this sounds like a depmod problem read man depmod |
| 13:05.01 | curator | enouf i only got ssh, i cant see. no log is created . dutchfish ill read it, thanks |
| 13:05.04 | enouf | dutchfish: the old ones (from debian repos -precompiled) should boot |
| 13:05.29 | abrotman | curator: hold on .. what are your partitions ? |
| 13:05.34 | enouf | curator: did you make them all? or are they debian precompiled kernels ?> |
| 13:05.42 | abrotman | curator: what is sda1 ? |
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| 13:06.04 | curator | abrotman when i mount /dev/sda1 its the place where all my vmlinuz images are |
| 13:06.07 | o2T7 | I can't install any packages |
| 13:06.07 | abrotman | curator: sda1 is /boot/ and sda3 is / ? |
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| 13:06.09 | enouf | should be -4 no? |
| 13:06.17 | curator | abrotman thats correct |
| 13:06.25 | dutchfish | enouf, no at some point they dont because installing them DOESNT create all the neccesary dirs. (recreating the apropriate dir manually needed) and running depmod solved this |
| 13:06.32 | enouf | (kernel versions) |
| 13:06.51 | dutchfish | enouf, curent 2.6.18-4 |
| 13:07.13 | abrotman | curator: and none of those kernels will boot ? |
| 13:07.15 | S4nD3r | mplayer -vo X11 http://p.mm.uol.com.br/olhardigital/PGM126/vt126mi01lg.wmv?MSWMExt=.asf |
| 13:07.19 | dutchfish | enouf, this problem only comes when mutiple kernels are installed |
| 13:07.19 | curator | abrotman right |
| 13:07.24 | S4nD3r | This works... but do not shows the video |
| 13:07.26 | S4nD3r | only the sound |
| 13:07.36 | abrotman | curator: i fear you're going to have to fork over the $50 |
| 13:07.46 | enouf | dutchfish: i've booted many debian kernels, and when one fails the old one works - i'm not sure what you're talking about - but i know you're talking about when building/compiling/installing/rolling your own is involved |
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| 13:08.11 | abrotman | curator: can they get you a serial console ? |
| 13:08.17 | dutchfish | enouf, exactly building was done by making deb kernel packages |
| 13:08.29 | curator | abrotman i dont really think they can |
| 13:08.49 | enouf | dutchfish: afaict, the orig older one's weren't , but maybe i misunderstand, or they're not being that clear |
| 13:08.50 | abrotman | curator: tried to fsck all the partitions ? |
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| 13:09.01 | curator | abrotman could it be that sometings wrong with my grub and i could try lilo instead ? it must be an problem which doenst is figured out with pure logical thinking :) |
| 13:09.22 | abrotman | you can try lilo .. |
| 13:09.40 | dutchfish | enouf, i run into this myself with a mix of 2 original deb kernels & 1 tainted kernel installed |
| 13:09.41 | enouf | S4nD3r: dunno . maybe try #mplayer - you have proper codecs installed? from dmm? |
| 13:09.54 | enouf | dutchfish: ugh .. ok then |
| 13:10.10 | dutchfish | enouf, it looks like the update routine doesnt catch this apropriately |
| 13:10.12 | curator | abrotman didnt tried fsck, ill look |
| 13:10.35 | enouf | dutchfish: anybody run dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-KERNVER yet? |
| 13:10.35 | abrotman | curator: fsck all of them (unmount them first) |
| 13:10.48 | enouf | dutchfish: how about update-initramfs |
| 13:10.50 | dutchfish | enouf, nope |
| 13:10.59 | enouf | dutchfish: thre's also an update-modules too |
| 13:10.59 | dutchfish | enouf, exactly! |
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| 13:11.34 | dutchfish | enouf, i solved it by running depmod |
| 13:11.55 | enouf | dutchfish: i hear ya - ok thanks - bug report made? ;-) |
| 13:11.56 | dutchfish | enouf, but the dir for kernel must be there |
| 13:12.21 | dutchfish | enouf, it wasnt |
| 13:12.29 | enouf | dutchfish: where in /usr/src/linux-image/name ? |
| 13:12.48 | dutchfish | enouf, hold on i look up the link for you |
| 13:12.48 | curator | abrotman root@bravo575:~# fsck -A /dev/sda |
| 13:12.49 | curator | fsck 1.38 (30-Jun-2005) |
| 13:12.56 | curator | ?? |
| 13:13.01 | abrotman | uhm .. a partition .. not the drive |
| 13:13.16 | curator | same here |
| 13:13.25 | enouf | dutchfish: usually module issues are from borks of /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build not being symlinked correctly to /usr/src/linux |
| 13:13.29 | curator | i tells me version, nothing else. im in liveboot right now |
| 13:13.43 | abrotman | no .. /dev/sda1 |
| 13:13.50 | abrotman | or sda3 |
| 13:13.58 | abrotman | dunno what sda2 is |
| 13:13.58 | curator | same |
| 13:14.07 | curator | it tells me only version |
| 13:14.11 | curator | sda2 is swap |
| 13:14.41 | abrotman | don't use -A .. jnust pick one |
| 13:15.04 | abrotman | you'll have to get out of your chroot and uhnmount them first |
| 13:15.17 | abrotman | and then your /etc/fstab isn't pointing to the right drives |
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| 13:15.52 | curator | abrotman i am out of chroot, all is unmounted, fsck /dev/sda3 and it checks now |
| 13:16.14 | curator | waiting |
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| 13:16.35 | dutchfish | enouf, i cant find the link atm, the dir i am talking about excists in /lib/modules/[your kernel] wich wasnt created, hence the update routine chooked on it not able to recreate dependicies |
| 13:17.08 | enouf | curator: while in chroot, you'd need to check the /mnt/point not the /dev .. iinm |
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| 13:18.41 | ribnitz | heyas. What am I doing wrong if burns with k3b fail for non-roots, and work for roots? |
| 13:18.52 | curator | abrotman /dev/sda3: 189834/14188544 files (4.7% non-contiguous), 2596290/28355957 blocks |
| 13:18.54 | enouf | dutchfish: ahh the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build dir? or /kernel? or /module.dep ? |
| 13:18.56 | enouf | or |
| 13:19.04 | curator | abrotman /dev/sda1: clean, 54/24480 files, 26126/97656 blocks |
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| 13:19.14 | abrotman | you can try dutchfish's fix |
| 13:19.15 | enouf | ribnitz: run k3bSetup |
| 13:19.27 | ribnitz | enouf: as non-root? |
| 13:19.34 | dutchfish | enouf, just let m check if the dirs excists then run depmod |
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| 13:20.00 | enouf | ribnitz: i forget - but try as non-root first yes, then alter the settings in there -- i forget |
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| 13:20.22 | enouf | dutchfish: thanks, not to big a deal |
| 13:20.30 | enouf | s/to/too |
| 13:21.18 | ribnitz | enouf: no k3bsetup. |
| 13:21.23 | enouf | lol |
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| 13:21.30 | enouf | are you using debian? |
| 13:21.42 | ribnitz | enouf: yep. |
| 13:21.54 | ribnitz | enouf: sid, as of perhaps a week ago. |
| 13:21.57 | enouf | (dunno, maybe that was for sarge) |
| 13:22.00 | enouf | heh |
| 13:22.27 | enouf | ribnitz: what's 'groups' say, as $username |
| 13:23.09 | ribnitz | enouf: dialout cdrom floppy audio src video plugdev shutdown, plus $username |
| 13:23.42 | ribnitz | enouf: updating, in 4 mins, I will be up to date |
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| 13:24.49 | ribnitz | oh. new k3b.. :) |
| 13:25.14 | dutchfish | is it possible to detect battery overload through monitoring ACPI functions or other ways? This is why i ask (i have the same model): http://www.hardware.info/en-US/extcontent/ZpaZbZhomZvGbpSbyA/Dell_laptop_explodes_like_fireworks/ |
| 13:25.17 | ribnitz | ok. bbiab. |
| 13:26.03 | enouf | ribnitz: that looks ok, it seems i guess wodim/genisoimage/cdrdao/whatever need root privs - the best fix, i'm not sure, but chmod is effective, (set root uid) ask others though for usre |
| 13:26.11 | curator | abrotman man about tryin to install grub to an partition ? |
| 13:26.16 | curator | man = what |
| 13:26.29 | enouf | ribtry #debian-kde |
| 13:27.48 | enouf | dutchfish: you can monitor temps, does that help? |
| 13:27.57 | dutchfish | enouf, battery temps? |
| 13:28.20 | enouf | dutchfish: it's a laptop, so the whole thing gets hot on? |
| 13:28.22 | enouf | no?> |
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| 13:29.10 | dutchfish | enouf, not sure about that, just want to shutdown it when it comes to a battery overheat |
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| 13:29.39 | spq | an |
| 13:29.43 | abrotman | curator: or pay $50 and get a real error :) |
| 13:29.51 | dutchfish | enouf, i also have the new 9200 model its bats also get extremely hot |
| 13:29.53 | spq | hm, how can i use a single package from the testing branch? |
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| 13:29.59 | enouf | dutchfish: you sure thats not a FUD article? from "the register"? rofl |
| 13:30.02 | abrotman | !tell spq about simple sid backport |
| 13:30.14 | abrotman | spq: or check backports.org |
| 13:30.23 | spq | k |
| 13:30.24 | enouf | dutchfish: i'd ask Dell about it... |
| 13:30.25 | spq | ty |
| 13:30.31 | dutchfish | enouf, the article could be a hauxt but the high bat temps are for real |
| 13:30.40 | enouf | dutchfish: understood |
| 13:30.47 | gimmal | anyone might know of a site with a video-cards/config database analogous to that of the alsa project? tryna figure out which module should be loaded for an ATI all-in-wonder card -- r128 or radeon -- and how the heck to use it |
| 13:31.07 | gimmal | I was looking at linuxtv.org but their v4l wiki is lacking of volunteers, it seems ;) |
| 13:31.15 | enouf | gimmal: man radeon |
| 13:31.21 | curator | how can i "ls -la" sort by date last modified ? |
| 13:31.23 | gimmal | enouf: danke |
| 13:31.23 | enouf | gimmal: man ati |
| 13:31.23 | spq | abrotman, lm-sensors is missing :( |
| 13:31.27 | dutchfish | enouf, i asked dell but they said the new models have a thermal protection wich renders them unusable when blown (prtotection) |
| 13:31.39 | abrotman | curator: -t |
| 13:31.42 | curator | thanks |
| 13:32.34 | enouf | dutchfish: hrm, well i don;t even use laptops - tried the various sites craptop for info? /msg dpkg laptop |
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| 13:33.00 | o2T7 | Please, how could i solve this? |
| 13:33.01 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/axk8RcAAs |
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| 13:33.26 | o2T7 | I had an nvidia with hardware problems |
| 13:33.32 | enouf | dutchfish: might get some useful info from this http://www.castalie.org/Linux/C610-ACPI.html |
| 13:33.36 | o2T7 | Now i inserted a new ati |
| 13:33.42 | gimmal | enouf: not sure which my card would be, in the radeon(4) manual page -- might have to stick with ATI's black-box X driver. i was looking for info about kernel drivers, actually |
| 13:33.49 | dutchfish | enouf, ok, i'll try thx. Meanwhile, i wait because dell has shipped me a tool to monitor bat temps in windowns, i hope i get something owkring in linux for this ;) |
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| 13:34.00 | enouf | dutchfish: sure |
| 13:34.20 | gimmal | so heck, I should modify my google phrase, accordingly :x |
| 13:34.47 | dutchfish | enouf, after a half depletion of the bats and recharging them i gets so hot, not when it is totally depleted |
| 13:34.51 | o2T7 | Richzendy: It gives me the same error |
| 13:34.51 | enouf | gimmal: 3D support for AIW (9600+) is nill - so you'd need the ati proprietary poop for that, iinm |
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| 13:35.01 | spq | hmm, how can i use a single package from testing which is not on backports.org? |
| 13:35.20 | abrotman | !tell spq about simple sid backport |
| 13:35.22 | enouf | dutchfish: isee - that sucks |
| 13:35.39 | spq | abrotman, tell me about it |
| 13:35.45 | abrotman | the bot just did |
| 13:35.53 | curator | abrotman in my aptitude log he says (that thing with the mbr package) after i dpkg the new kernel first time "[remove, not used] mbr" . that was the time i deletet my mbr. Why should he do that ? |
| 13:35.56 | dutchfish | enouf, this also only occurs in the 9 cells version not the 7 cells, strange |
| 13:35.59 | spq | ah, didnt see the query |
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| 13:36.10 | b52laptop | hi |
| 13:36.13 | gimmal | enouf: ok; proprietary poop in the kernel, too? |
| 13:36.18 | abrotman | curator: dunno .. i don't have it installed |
| 13:36.24 | enouf | gimmal: no, that's ati stuff |
| 13:36.26 | curator | well .. |
| 13:36.28 | b52laptop | stupid question , what the name of the tool with ncursus to configuire the network |
| 13:36.29 | b52laptop | ? |
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| 13:37.50 | gimmal | so wtf radeon r128, anyone? how do you know if you should load kernel module 'radeon' or 'r128' for an ati vid card? |
| 13:38.05 | abrotman | which card? |
| 13:38.07 | gimmal | it looks like it's either-or |
| 13:38.18 | gimmal | abrotman: all-in-wonder 2006 |
| 13:38.22 | hark | no rtfm |
| 13:38.22 | abrotman | radeon |
| 13:38.23 | enouf | gimmal: ati makes binary blobs which interact with the kernel, in proprietary ways to accelerate the card and whatnot - i don't know much about it, check wiki.debian.org too maybe - and maybe you nmeed/want 'fglrx' support |
| 13:38.31 | gimmal | abrotman: cool; thank you |
| 13:38.37 | abrotman | gimmal: or fglrx |
| 13:38.42 | abrotman | r128 is for old rage cards |
| 13:38.49 | gimmal | hmmm, fglrx, that's the name of the x driver, also |
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| 13:39.00 | gimmal | danka, abrotman e enouf |
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| 13:39.52 | enouf | gimmal: some info http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
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| 13:39.58 | curator | abrotman i installed lilo right now and at lilo-config he tells me http://paste.debian.net/35411 |
| 13:40.01 | enouf | gimmal: use at your own risk |
| 13:40.21 | gimmal | enouf: understood; cool |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | curator: i haven't used lilo in .. five years ? |
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| 13:40.31 | curator | abrotman isnt that boot sector thing strange ? shouldnt it be /dev/sda or /dev/sda1 or somthing ? but /dev/sda3 ?? |
| 13:40.43 | abrotman | probably should be /dev/sda |
| 13:41.04 | xenophil | hello, does anybody know how to change the minor device numbers of the partitions e.g. hda5 to hda7? |
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| 13:41.08 | gimmal | thanks for the help, folks |
| 13:41.19 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/aazIr49el |
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| 13:41.26 | sparr | my tablet PC has a serial connection for its wacom tablet screen, and that stops working when it hibernates (suspend to disk?). i am hoping this can be fixed by re-initializing the serial connection. any ideas or suggestions? |
| 13:41.53 | drizzd | How do I compile an amd64 kernel on a debian i386? |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | touch /usr/lib/libGL.so |
| 13:42.24 | curator | abrotman i remember, i told him one time that he may install the boot table to /dev/sda3, cause i was tired and dump. but i deinstalled it afterwards .. can it be that grub thinks it is /dev/sda3, too ? |
| 13:42.37 | abrotman | tis possible |
| 13:42.41 | abrotman | but your menu.lst should say |
| 13:42.45 | curator | how can i find out / fix ? |
| 13:42.51 | curator | aah |
| 13:43.05 | curator | and menu.lst is correct .. well was just a thought ... |
| 13:43.15 | o2T7 | abrotman: I keep getting the dpkg-divert error |
| 13:43.15 | abrotman | you didn't paste your whole menu.lst .. i can't tell you |
| 13:43.22 | abrotman | touch /usr/lib/libGL.so .. doesn't fix it ? |
| 13:43.30 | abrotman | damn nvidia crap |
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| 13:43.41 | enouf | xenophil: those are partition numbers, major/minor refer to /dev/ |
| 13:43.53 | o2T7 | touch did solve the part of rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/libGL.so': No such file or directory |
| 13:44.49 | abchirk | Hi all, I have compiz an gnome but when I start compiz there are no windowmenus and bars there... anyone knows how to fix it? |
| 13:45.04 | xenophil | @enouf, but can I change it anyway, maybe in the partiontable? |
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| 13:45.38 | o2T7 | abrotman: dpkg --force-all --remove nvidia-glx can't overwrite the file |
| 13:45.58 | abrotman | stop forcing it |
| 13:46.15 | o2T7 | ok ok |
| 13:46.30 | curator | abrotman sry for going on your nerves, but here is the whole menu.lst http://rafb.net/p/sobGux74.html |
| 13:46.39 | o2T7 | if i mv libGL.so.1.2 or delete it it gives the same error |
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| 13:46.52 | lordrich | xenophil: why do you want to change the partition numbers? |
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| 13:47.12 | abrotman | grub-install /dev/sda ? |
| 13:47.24 | abrotman | curator: i'm really pretty much out of ideas unless you get a real error message |
| 13:47.34 | EvilGuru | Hi, I just did a port scan of my debian server, and found a few high-range (35724, 36250 and 41073) to be open |
| 13:47.39 | curator | abrotman i see. thanks a lot so far . |
| 13:47.58 | abrotman | curator: you can wait around and see if anyone has another idea |
| 13:48.08 | o2T7 | libGL.so.1.2 is a soft link to libGL.so.1.0.8776, which doesn't exist |
| 13:48.15 | wols | EvilGuru: why did you portscan your server in the first place? what's wrong with netstat? |
| 13:48.31 | xenophil | @enouf I really need to, to change it just in the fstab wouldn't help me, it is a grub boot thing so I want to restore the numbers after the deletion of a partition |
| 13:48.33 | ravenbird | xenophil: what are you talking about? |
| 13:48.35 | EvilGuru | wols: I was just playing with nmap (just compiled it off) |
| 13:48.46 | wols | EvilGuru: you compiled it? on debian? |
| 13:48.47 | abrotman | xenophil: please don't use @nick .. it triggers a bot |
| 13:48.53 | gimmal | eeek, kde's pager doesn't integrate with Enlightenment's virtual desktop stuff, very well |
| 13:48.54 | xenophil | @ravenbird about changing partitionnumbers |
| 13:48.57 | EvilGuru | wols: on my mac actually |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | xenophil: please don't use @nick .. it triggers a bot |
| 13:49.06 | gimmal | well, not KDE |
| 13:49.07 | xenophil | eg hda5-->hda6 |
| 13:49.08 | gimmal | er |
| 13:49.14 | xenophil | ah ok |
| 13:49.18 | xenophil | sorry |
| 13:49.20 | gimmal | not KDE's pager, I guess -- something in KDE; pardon the WOT |
| 13:49.31 | lordrich | xenophil: just update your grub's menu.lst using update-grup |
| 13:49.43 | wols | EvilGuru: and your answer is no sane reason |
| 13:49.46 | xenophil | no I don't want |
| 13:49.59 | xenophil | so it is not possible to change the numbers? |
| 13:50.15 | EvilGuru | Either way, how can I find out what they are? |
| 13:50.25 | o2T7 | Nobody had the problem with fglrx and nvidia? |
| 13:50.25 | wols | EvilGuru: man netstat |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | o2T7: maybe man dpkg-divert and remove the diversion |
| 13:51.03 | curator | People ! :) . Wenn installing Lilo it asks me if i want to set /dev/sda3 as active partition. but my /boot/ is /dev/sda1. Is it quite normal oder is it wrong to tell he may do so ? |
| 13:51.07 | o2T7 | Let's have a look at it. |
| 13:51.16 | cahoot | isn't fglrx an ati thing? |
| 13:51.24 | wols | cahoot: it is |
| 13:51.27 | curator | cahoot it is |
| 13:51.33 | wols | curator: depends where you actually install lilo |
| 13:51.56 | o2T7 | cahoot: i had an nvidia, now i have an ati, i cant remove nvidia-glx |
| 13:52.00 | wols | o2T7: did the debian .debs create this mess or did the nvidia installer/fglrx do it? |
| 13:52.10 | gimmal | dpkg: module-assistant ? |
| 13:52.10 | dpkg | hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 13:52.16 | wols | ie. did you use debian nvidia drivers or nvidia nvidia drivers? |
| 13:52.21 | o2T7 | wols: I think that .deb did it |
| 13:52.23 | curator | wols i installed it in /dev/sda |
| 13:52.28 | curator | i think oO |
| 13:52.52 | o2T7 | first i tried with nvidia installer, then purged everything and installed from debian's |
| 13:53.06 | dzs | when you "dpkg --unpack" where does the stuff end up? |
| 13:53.19 | wols | dzs: in . |
| 13:53.20 | cahoot | o2T7, did you use nvidias uninstall option? |
| 13:53.26 | o2T7 | But i can't assure that it wasn't created by the damn installer |
| 13:53.46 | dzs | wols: nothing there in the current directory |
| 13:53.48 | o2T7 | cahoot: I don't remember, it's pretty possible |
| 13:53.58 | mbroeker | can anyone paste the content of /etc/postfix/dynamicmaps.cf ? i have erased it and lost the content... |
| 13:55.05 | lordrich | mbroeker: http://rafb.net/p/5ghtJm15.html |
| 13:55.58 | xenophil | so nobody knows how to change partitionnumbers e.g hda5-->hda6? |
| 13:56.16 | mbroeker | thanks lordrich |
| 13:57.01 | lunk | xenophil: you don't do that. |
| 13:57.20 | lunk | xenophil: you can change where it's mounted in the file system if that's what you need |
| 13:57.23 | wols | xenophil: change them where and for what? |
| 13:58.05 | xenophil | I think the numbers are stored in the partitiontable, right? |
| 13:59.12 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/ayHsNimeh |
| 13:59.21 | xenophil | I used acronis disk directory and moved and copied some partition, so I want to restore the numbers |
| 13:59.25 | wols | xenophil: no. they are decided by the postition of the partition in the partition table |
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| 13:59.32 | xenophil | hm |
| 13:59.36 | wols | sda5 and 6 are in the externded partition table |
| 13:59.46 | xenophil | strange, they are not increased by 1 |
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| 14:00.17 | xenophil | exemple I have hda1 hda2 hda3 and hda5 hda7 but no hda6 |
| 14:00.52 | wols | then your extended partition table has a 16 bytes null string |
| 14:01.08 | xenophil | hm |
| 14:02.18 | o2T7 | I tried reinstalling nvidia-glx with apt and nothing |
| 14:02.31 | o2T7 | I can't install or remove packages :S |
| 14:03.18 | wols | !tell o2T7 about bat |
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| 14:05.36 | FordCortina | i want to place the command "echo -n 0x02 >/sys/module/usbhid/parameters/pb_fnmode" so that it is always run at boot time. where would the best place be for it? |
| 14:06.04 | curator | abrotman installed lilo, told him NOT to install boottable to /dev/sda3, now it works.... new kernel is up and running... dont know why grub didnt worked...... but now it wooorks, man, i could jump :) |
| 14:06.15 | abrotman | okay |
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| 14:06.20 | abrotman | still doesn't make sense .. but whatever |
| 14:06.31 | curator | i know ... |
| 14:06.49 | curator | ill go find out what happend to grub .. |
| 14:06.56 | pablo_ | FordCortina, try in init.d |
| 14:07.21 | lordrich | FordCortina: /etc/rc.local unless it needs running before anything else in init.d |
| 14:07.46 | asg | !rc.local |
| 14:07.46 | dpkg | well, rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
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| 14:08.58 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/ag4QACoge |
| 14:10.10 | FordCortina | thanks all |
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| 14:11.31 | o2T7 | FordCortina: /etc/init.d = |
| 14:11.39 | o2T7 | FordCortina: /etc/init.d ? * |
| 14:12.03 | o2T7 | Sorry, i didn't see the answer |
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| 14:16.59 | Meaw | hello |
| 14:17.29 | Meaw | I made a symbolic link for a folder, but when im trying to cd the directory i got an error says |
| 14:17.32 | Meaw | -bash: cd: /var/www/htdocs: Too many levels of symbolic links |
| 14:17.42 | Meaw | any though how to fix that |
| 14:18.36 | et | are you sure you didn't make it recursive? |
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| 14:19.02 | Meaw | i just did ln -s folder/ /var/www/ |
| 14:19.23 | Meaw | that used to work with me before, but not now :/ |
| 14:19.32 | stoned | The Gov. is here |
| 14:19.36 | stoned | run et run! |
| 14:20.20 | gimmal | anyone might know what dpkg-multicd does? I'm looking at installing it, but not sure if I "need it", given that I already have apt-cdrom installed -- trying to figure out what it does, really |
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| 14:20.42 | stoned | !info apt-multicd |
| 14:20.48 | gimmal | danke |
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| 14:20.52 | stoned | it doesn't exist |
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| 14:20.53 | asg | gimmal: apt-cache show dpkg-multicd |
| 14:20.55 | stoned | oh |
| 14:20.56 | stoned | nm |
| 14:20.58 | stoned | dpkg doh |
| 14:20.58 | dpkg | doh is, like, what homer simpson says when sid crashes |
| 14:21.08 | lastnode | how many CDs do I need to download to install the most basic deb system? |
| 14:21.11 | stoned | !info dpkg-multicd |
| 14:21.12 | dpkg | dpkg-multicd: (Installation methods for multiple binary CDs), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.21 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 152 kB |
| 14:21.16 | gimmal | asg: yeah, aptitude is showing the desc. about it, from its control file, but it's not very descriptive :x |
| 14:21.30 | asg | lastnode: get the netinstall and anything else you need can be installed over the net |
| 14:21.32 | gimmal | or I don't know what to make of its description |
| 14:21.33 | Meaw | et, now im not able to do any symbolic link |
| 14:21.33 | asg | !netinst |
| 14:21.33 | dpkg | from memory, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 14:21.39 | stoned | !asg |
| 14:21.39 | dpkg | asg is, like, asg, or ask me about <pubtime> |
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| 14:21.45 | stoned | oh hmm |
| 14:21.48 | stoned | hi |
| 14:22.01 | Kristy | I am getting the msg "Not starting internet superserver: No services enabled" and can't ping peers on same subnet! Using etch, any help? Thanx. |
| 14:22.05 | asg | gimmal: since it talks about using dselect and you are using aptitude, it's irrelevant |
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| 14:22.37 | gimmal | asg: ahah, good point |
| 14:22.38 | gimmal | danke |
| 14:22.42 | hopecon | Is there a way to tell module-assistant to /not/ extract the source tarball? |
| 14:22.42 | lastnode | asg, i cant do that. i only have access via this bcm4318 chip, so my first install ahs to come with bcm43xx in the kernel (i can install the fw) |
| 14:22.53 | hopecon | e.g., I've patched my extracted sources and I don't want m-a to overwrite them. |
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| 14:23.03 | asg | lastnode: then get the first disc, install, and then compile a kernel that works to install the rest. |
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| 14:23.19 | lastnode | asg, will bcm43xx be on the first disk? |
| 14:23.48 | asg | Kristy: the first error just means that /etc/inetd.conf has all services commented out and is unrelated to your second problem. |
| 14:23.52 | asg | !cd contents |
| 14:23.52 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 14:23.55 | asg | lastnode: ^^^ |
| 14:24.11 | Kristy | Ok...I'll check it out. |
| 14:25.18 | lastnode | asg, thanks, looking. it's shwoing the firmware extractor though, and nothing about the kernel module itself. im pretty sure it's called bcm43xx though |
| 14:25.33 | cahoot | lastnode, bcm43xx should be in the kernelpkg |
| 14:25.49 | cahoot | lastnode, the fw is another matter though |
| 14:26.05 | lastnode | cahoot, i have the firmware already extracted,a dn ready to copy to /lib/fw/ |
| 14:26.13 | lastnode | im just wondering if i can do the basic install on one cd |
| 14:26.19 | lastnode | kernel + bcm module |
| 14:26.25 | asg | lastnode: the bcm43xx is part of the standard kernel though you'll need the firmware. You could also use ndiswrapper to get things going if need be. |
| 14:26.26 | lastnode | then i can get everything else i need from the net |
| 14:26.40 | lastnode | asg, and the standard kernel will be installed off the first CD? |
| 14:26.47 | asg | lastnode: yes |
| 14:27.09 | lastnode | asg, debinst wont ask me for the 2nd cd? or can I decline it |
| 14:27.17 | asg | lastnode: it should also be on the netinstall disc but it might be better to get the first disc just in case so you'll have compilers and such. |
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| 14:27.52 | asg | lastnode: just install a minimal system; don't try to install X or crap like that and you'll not be prompted for disc 2 .. 14 |
| 14:28.22 | lastnode | asg, is there a meta package that will install locales, timezones etc for me? i tried deboostrapping sid earlier todya, and base-config was gone |
| 14:28.24 | lastnode | :o |
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| 14:29.12 | asg | lastnode: libc6 depends on tzdata and suggests locales. Just install locales manually or use aptitude's option to install with-suggests |
| 14:29.46 | lastnode | asg, but in choosing what to install, what packages do i select? kernel, obviously, and what lese? |
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| 14:30.06 | lastnode | *else |
| 14:30.23 | asg | lastnode: it will install the base system and then ask if you want to install X, webservers, database stuff, etc. Just skip the last bit. The base system will have all you need. |
| 14:30.37 | lastnode | sweet, thanks |
| 14:31.09 | lastnode | im returning to *nix after some months. apparently 2.6.20+ has some bcm fixes that make it more stable? |
| 14:31.21 | lastnode | i just tried ubuntu, and it looks good, so thought id give deb a shot |
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| 14:32.50 | lastnode | (again, ive obviously used it before) |
| 14:32.58 | lastnode | just insatlle dubuntu to check bcm status |
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| 14:33.47 | pablo_ | I'm trying to remove my gnome because i think it uses too many resources, so I'm going to just install a window manager.. what window manager would you guys use? I'm looking for a light-weight but powerful one. |
| 14:34.06 | lastnode | pablo_, xfce? |
| 14:34.15 | lastnode | fluxbox/blackbox/icewm? |
| 14:34.38 | asg | pablo_: it depends on your usage patters. I hate icons and crap like that so I use fluxbox and it's excellent keybinding/mapping support |
| 14:34.42 | gimmal | odd question -- anyone ever used a linux host with vonage's iptel services? |
| 14:34.54 | o2T7 | I like fluxbox keybindings very much :) |
| 14:35.25 | gimmal | the bluesteel theme rocks |
| 14:36.21 | Kristy | asg: just commented out entries under "internal services" not the superserver starts...do you know the entry to enable networking on boot" |
| 14:36.39 | pablo_ | well, i've tried FVWM.. but I'm still new-ish to Linux and don't want to go to all the hassle of configuring every little bit of my windows just yet.. I just know i don't want any gnome or kde's eating up my resources stupidly! |
| 14:37.06 | asg | Kristy: /etc/inetd.conf has nothing to do with networking in the sense you are talking about. man 5 interfaces |
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| 14:38.06 | Kristy | what makes me wonder is that this system was working fine last night. |
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| 14:39.05 | lastnode | asg, btw will CD1 install grub for me as well? (or is that on the last CD) |
| 14:39.32 | lastnode | pablo_, xfce is in between fluxbox and gnome, try it |
| 14:39.43 | asg | lastnode: yes, it will install grub. It would be silly for it to be on the last cd :) |
| 14:40.03 | pablo_ | thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 14:40.09 | g-Sofie]Lukemob | hi there, is there any way how to change Debian's language? |
| 14:40.58 | asg | Lukemob: dpkg-reconfigure locales (and don't ask a question then change your nick) |
| 14:41.15 | Lukemob | thanks |
| 14:41.32 | Lukemob | & srz |
| 14:41.34 | Lukemob | sry* |
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| 14:45.38 | OFFSHORE | hi, can i use the ATI Control Panel for ATI Graphic Card ( ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] ) ? |
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| 14:46.29 | OFFSHORE | _grout, check this cool page : www.linuxcommand.org |
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| 14:46.34 | asg | _grout: put them in ~/.bashrc (or whatever your shell's dotfiles are called) |
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| 14:47.00 | lastnode | asg, thanks |
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| 14:47.16 | phrozen77 | hi guys :) is there any way to see compile-time ./configure options of a deb? |
| 14:47.26 | OFFSHORE | _grout, on that page it is also very nicely explained |
| 14:47.40 | asg | phrozen77: download the deb-src, unpack it and look in debian/rules |
| 14:48.01 | phrozen77 | thanks, gonna take a look |
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| 14:48.32 | asg | phrozen77: you'll need the src deb though, not the binary package. (/msg dpkg deb-src) |
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| 14:49.03 | xxg2 | hey , what's up?. i have a problem. I have a pendrive whichh i can´t mount . & when i tried it it says something like "not getting address X error -110" & that´s all |
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| 14:49.25 | asg | xxg2: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 14:49.29 | xxg2 | can someone help me ? |
| 14:49.51 | OFFSHORE | xxg2, ^^^ |
| 14:50.12 | xxg2 | i'm using sarge & ohci-hcd kernel 2.6.17.3 |
| 14:50.39 | xxg2 | i can mount other flash mems succesfully |
| 14:50.54 | asg | xxg2: does the device appear in the output of 'dmesg' after you insert it? |
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| 14:51.31 | xxg2 | no. it doesnt get the scsi emulation. it shows the error & thats all |
| 14:52.02 | asg | xxg2: ohci_hcd is a USB 1.1 driver, perhaps the pendrive requires USB 2.0 |
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| 14:52.35 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:52.39 | xxg2 | no, i mounted it with success before, the problem came out recently |
| 14:53.12 | DexterF | convmv question: got a zip full of word docs from a windows user, filenames are partially garbled due to some special german characters. |
| 14:53.38 | DexterF | convmv -t utf claims they are already utf8. what to do? |
| 14:54.11 | xxg2 | asg: no, i mounted it with success before, the problem came out recently |
| 14:54.19 | lordrich | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.48 | phrozen77 | asg, thanks - that explains why my suPHP wont work |
| 14:54.48 | o2T7 | Well, I got it done. |
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| 14:54.58 | o2T7 | Really ugly, but fglrx installed |
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| 14:55.32 | o2T7 | removing all lines corresponding to libGL from /var/lib/dpkg/diversions |
| 14:56.47 | o2T7 | ubuntu users have the same problem |
| 14:57.21 | o2T7 | sorry |
| 14:57.29 | dErFF | is there an apt-get for skype? |
| 14:57.54 | liable | there are debs available from skype |
| 14:58.06 | o2T7 | removing lines from /var/lib/dpkg/diversions and then touch /usr/lib/libGL.so |
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| 14:58.20 | dErFF | how |
| 14:58.22 | dErFF | :( |
| 14:58.33 | xxg2 | i dont think that the device has died like that! from one day to another! |
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| 14:59.31 | o2T7 | dErFF: Just download the .deb packages from skype and then `dpkg -i package.deb` |
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| 15:00.07 | o2T7 | I use ekiga with another voip services provider and it's great :) |
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| 15:00.50 | o2T7 | not justvoip.com because it doesn't support sip, but another one cheap too. |
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| 15:09.03 | Enselic | Is there some Etch version of this page: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-l10n ? |
| 15:09.12 | gnudo | i am rather confused. i intend to get debian i386 installation CD1 but i see a debian-update-4.0r1-i386-CD-1.iso and a debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso . which one is the one i should go for? |
| 15:09.41 | Enselic | gnudo: the one without 'update' |
| 15:09.53 | gnudo | what is the update one for? |
| 15:10.07 | Enselic | gnudo: I'd guess it's for updating 3.1 |
| 15:10.11 | simonrvn | gnudo: the name is pretty obvious; -update- is for the r1 update |
| 15:10.18 | simonrvn | no, updating 4.0 |
| 15:10.20 | Enselic | gnudo: see, I was wrong |
| 15:10.40 | Enselic | gnudo: about what it was updating that is, not whch one you should se |
| 15:10.51 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 15:11.32 | gnudo | is it rue that if you want to remove gnom-terminal, xorg will be removed too by apt-get? |
| 15:11.46 | asg | gnudo: if you want to remove gnome, /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 15:12.05 | gnudo | sorry for the typos. bad keyboard here! |
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| 15:12.23 | Enselic | gnudo: afaik onlly if you installed xorg by installing gnome-terminal |
| 15:12.44 | Enselic | only -> typically |
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| 15:15.54 | Enselic | Is there some Etch docs somewhere? I'm trying to RTFM on how to property set l10n to Swedish, but http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ seems outdated |
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| 15:16.35 | Eulex | Enselic, dpkg-reconfigure locales, then choose one of the sv_SE locales, if that's what you're referring to. |
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| 15:18.38 | Enselic | Eulex: I realize I have the right l10n, but I need bash to use UTF-8 since now e.g. åäö shows up as ?? |
| 15:19.02 | Enselic | or ?????? rather |
| 15:19.20 | Eulex | Enselic, bash in what terminal or console? |
| 15:19.42 | Enselic | Eulex: um, what do you mean? bash as in bash |
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| 15:20.14 | gnudo | well i saw someone installing etch last night. he did apt-get install xorg and gnome-terminal was installed by default! he tried to remove it but apt-get told him xorg would be removed if he did so! |
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| 15:20.16 | Enselic | it's not running as an inferior process, I log in directly from the system login |
| 15:20.16 | Dewi | Enselic: bash doesn't do that, your terminal does |
| 15:20.29 | Enselic | Dewi: oh, well, tty terminals then |
| 15:20.42 | Dewi | Enselic: I don't know how with ttys |
| 15:20.46 | Eulex | Enselic, tttys don't support utf8 |
| 15:20.48 | Dewi | Enselic: but putty has an option |
| 15:20.54 | Dewi | Enselic: also xterms are fine I think |
| 15:21.01 | Dewi | and some rxvts |
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| 15:21.13 | Enselic | I am setting up a server, so I'd like to skip the X part |
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| 15:21.48 | Enselic | I guess I can use the non-UTF-8 swedish lcale |
| 15:23.02 | gnudo | he installed etch on a K6-300 Mhz box 64mb ram which as we all know is a very old box. gnome-menus, gnome-terminal and its libs are way too heavy for such an old pc! |
| 15:23.36 | quasisane | gnudo: 'xorg' is a metapackage that just depends on a bunch of other packages, among them 'xterm | x-terminal-emulator'. So if gnome-terminal were the only package installed that provided x-terminal-emulator, then the xorg metapackage would be removed if gnome-terminal were removed. |
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| 15:24.35 | cahoot | Enselic, fwiw LANG=sv_SE.utf 8 gives åäö etc in plain console mode |
| 15:24.37 | gnudo | people should be warned about that before they begin to install on low spec boxes! |
| 15:25.52 | Enselic | cahoot: even through a tty? |
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| 15:27.40 | cahoot | Enselic, well if /dev/tty4 is an answer - so yes |
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| 15:28.40 | Enselic | cahoot: then yes skulle du sagt :) blir knäppt att säga 'so yes' på engelska |
| 15:28.49 | aurel42 | Hi there... X support got broken on my notebook at some point during the etch development cycle... I'd like to try to track back now to where it still worked... I seem to remember there was a way to access old, intermediary versions of Debian releases... can someone help me out? |
| 15:28.56 | bykte | how do i fix broken packages?/ |
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| 15:29.31 | Enselic | cahoot: except in like "you use /dev/tty4, so yes" |
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| 15:29.54 | aurel42 | bykte: define broken packages |
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| 15:30.30 | bykte | i keep getting The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 15:31.19 | Eulex | when installing what package and what is the full error? (pastebin it, do not paste here in the channel) |
| 15:31.22 | bykte | installing bitchx seems to be a pain..apt-get install bitchx doesnt work anymore lol |
| 15:31.45 | aurel42 | bytke: you could put them on hold in aptitude and wait for fixed versions, or you could try apt-get -f install <package names> to get more specific error messages. |
| 15:31.49 | wols | why would you want bitchx in the first place? |
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| 15:31.59 | bykte | erm..someone recommend that irc client to me.. |
| 15:32.03 | asg | haha |
| 15:32.17 | wols | then shoot that someone. twice. just to make sure he can't give such advice in the future anymore |
| 15:32.20 | bykte | is there a better one that you might know of? |
| 15:32.23 | wols | !irssi |
| 15:32.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 15:32.24 | asg | irssi |
| 15:32.56 | bykte | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! <-- is this common? |
| 15:33.05 | asg | !apt-key |
| 15:33.14 | bykte | !apt-key |
| 15:33.16 | zicho | bykte: yes |
| 15:33.19 | asg | bah |
| 15:33.24 | wols | aurel42: snapshots.debian.net possibly. but: what videohip do you have? |
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| 15:33.54 | zicho | bykte: i think it says that when you use 3rd party repositories, or the non-free branch |
| 15:33.54 | bykte | what makes a package authenticated? |
| 15:34.00 | bykte | oh.. |
| 15:34.06 | zicho | but im not 100 % sure |
| 15:34.25 | aurel42 | wols: NV GO 6600 on a Samsung M50. nv and nvidia drivers are broken. sarge doesn't know about it, Ubuntu 6.10 works fine, etch and Ubuntu 7.04 don't. |
| 15:35.19 | aurel42 | wols: yet etch workED fine, I've been using it for months. when it broke, I suspected a hardware problem and months went by, so I don't exactly know where to track back to. :) |
| 15:35.49 | wols | aurel42: I don't bleieve you. etch should work fine on this chip. which driver? |
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| 15:36.54 | dErFF | how can i install flash player? |
| 15:37.06 | aurel42 | wols: :) |
| 15:37.18 | wols | !flash |
| 15:37.18 | dpkg | flash is probably http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 15:37.31 | aurel42 | wols: both, nv and nvidia. that's why I think it's not (only) a driver problem. |
| 15:37.51 | wols | aurel42: xorg logs please |
| 15:38.07 | aurel42 | wols: I didn't believe me either, that's why the notebook was in service with Samsung and even got a new main board. |
| 15:38.23 | wols | gz for the new mobo :) |
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| 15:38.34 | aurel42 | wols: I just reformatted the partition and I'm installing sarge now, so no logs at the moment. |
| 15:38.44 | wietz0r | Where do I get help with debian-sparc ? The freenode channel is dead |
| 15:38.57 | wols | aurel42: why would you install sarge? on a new install? |
| 15:39.05 | aurel42 | wols: they don't say anything surprising anyhow, the system keeps running, X doesn't crash, it just displays nothing but garbage. |
| 15:39.09 | wols | !oftc |
| 15:39.09 | dpkg | hmm... oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
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| 15:39.23 | aurel42 | wols: do be able to gradually upgrade to etch to the point where it broke. |
| 15:39.26 | bykte | wow irssi looks confusing.. |
| 15:39.38 | wols | aurel42: lemme guess: it "broke" when you moved over to xorg |
| 15:39.49 | aurel42 | wols: I would be able to report saying exactly between which versions of what package it broke. |
| 15:39.57 | wietz0r | bykte: Irssi is dead easy |
| 15:40.11 | aurel42 | wols: no, I've been using xorg for months w/o a problem, first with nv, then with nvidia (to run compiz) |
| 15:40.53 | bykte | i was reading the help file and it says /DCC LIST shows the current connections etc..but i dont see any output when i typed that |
| 15:41.04 | wols | bykte: window 1 |
| 15:41.04 | sparr | how do i stop a package from being updated during a [dist-]upgrade? |
| 15:41.08 | wols | bykte: alt+1 |
| 15:41.13 | asg | sparr: /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:41.23 | aurel42 | wols: consider this, please: fresh install of Ubuntu 6.06: nv driver works fine, boot system from Ubuntu 7.04 live disk (ie. no manual configuration): broken graphics. I'm PRETTY sure it's not a PEBKAC. |
| 15:41.43 | wols | aurel42: ask #ubuntu. not us. I told you what we need |
| 15:41.46 | sparr | !tell sparr about hold |
| 15:41.53 | sparr | dpkg ignored my msg |
| 15:41.55 | wols | !tell sparr about selftell |
| 15:42.14 | sparr | !tell wols that dpkg ignored my msg |
| 15:42.30 | wols | as long as you are identified: I don't believe you |
| 15:42.49 | sparr | i am. too bad. |
| 15:42.53 | sparr | !hold |
| 15:42.57 | jelly-home | why would he lie? |
| 15:43.08 | aurel42 | wols: I only used the "official" Ubuntu install/live disks to demonstrate the problem to the Samsung support. Obviously, they can't work with my Debian system, because it could just be misconfigured. |
| 15:43.31 | jelly-home | !test |
| 15:43.31 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:43.39 | sparr | ok, he isnt completely ignoring me |
| 15:43.40 | aurel42 | wols: but the problem is exactly what I'm seeing on my Deb system. |
| 15:43.41 | wols | aurel42: that doesn't change the fact that here is not #ubuntu and we won't and can't support it |
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| 15:43.53 | sparr | when i send him a !message he responds and tells me to leave off the ! |
| 15:44.14 | aurel42 | wols: I didn't ask for Ubuntu support, I just did want to give you some information I considered significant. But nm. |
| 15:44.17 | wols | which proves dpkg doesn't ignore you at all |
| 15:44.19 | sparr | <dpkg> The addressCharacter "!" is to get my attention in a normal channel. Please leave it off when messaging me directly. |
| 15:44.24 | sparr | thats the only response i can get |
| 15:44.42 | jelly-home | wols: note that dpkg ignored his in-channel !hold |
| 15:44.54 | sparr | !test |
| 15:45.08 | jelly-home | so it really ignores him. |
| 15:45.27 | wols | then why would it tell him about ! in a query? |
| 15:45.31 | wols | !test |
| 15:45.31 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 15:45.51 | jelly-home | wols: the bot just hates him, I guess. |
| 15:46.12 | wols | maybe he abused dpkg in the past? |
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| 15:46.31 | wols | but to finally help him qwith his problem: |
| 15:46.35 | asg | !hold |
| 15:46.35 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 15:46.37 | wols | !tell sparr about hold |
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| 15:47.13 | wols | tho "hold" is too complicated to explain it properly in a factoid imho |
| 15:47.39 | jelly-home | To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' is a simple enough fact. |
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| 15:48.32 | sparr | thanks |
| 15:49.22 | sparr | package maintainer for the wacom tablet driver left the calibration tool out of the package, so i have to hold back my version to keep it |
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| 15:50.43 | fas3r | hi everybody |
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| 15:51.38 | sparr | i know extra dependencies are bad... but a tablet with no calibration tool isnt especially effective |
| 15:52.07 | asg | sparr: did you check the bts? If there isn't a bug, file one. |
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| 15:52.19 | sparr | i emailed the maintainer, he explained his decision |
| 15:52.25 | sparr | at best its a wontfix |
| 15:52.57 | sparr | guess i should file it though, just so other people can search for it |
| 15:53.00 | asg | sparr: is the maintainer packaging it separately? |
| 15:53.27 | sparr | no |
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| 15:53.52 | asg | sparr: then what was the justification? |
| 15:54.10 | sparr | the calibration tool depends on tcl/tk, and thats a heavy dependency to add to something that is otherwise all console apps |
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| 15:56.36 | jelly-home | it would be nice to package it in a -tools or -utils package, if some people need it |
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| 15:56.59 | sparr | the package is wacom-tools |
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| 15:57.14 | sparr | its seperate from the driver itself, sorry for explaining that incorrectly |
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| 15:57.26 | asg | sparr: the wacom-tools package in etch has not tcl/tk depends |
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| 15:57.34 | sparr | asg: precisely |
| 15:57.55 | sparr | wacom-tools (source) is one tcl/tk app and a half dozen console apps. the maintainer decided to turn off the tcl/tk app to reduce dependencies. unfortunately that app is the calibration tool |
| 15:57.56 | asg | sparr: so the tool just doesn't work until someone installs tcl/tk? |
| 15:58.04 | sparr | no, its not included at all |
| 15:58.12 | sparr | not built |
| 15:58.12 | jelly-home | meh, he could just Suggest: the relevant dependency and keep the app. |
| 15:58.24 | sparr | --disable-xxxx'd in configure |
| 15:58.38 | blinx | (gtk-update-icon-cache:9046): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/local/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory |
| 15:58.40 | jelly-home | that's kind of dumb |
| 15:58.45 | blinx | what can I do to fix that? |
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| 16:00.31 | asg | sparr: don't most people who use those tables use them in an X environment anyway? |
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| 16:00.38 | sparr | blinx: packages.debian.org find the package with that file, install it |
| 16:00.58 | sparr | asg: yes, but most people dont care if they are calibrated because they are disjoint from the screen. only people with tablet pcs need the calibration tool |
| 16:01.29 | aurel42 | wods: snapshot.debian.net was excellent advice, thanks. |
| 16:01.41 | aurel42 | s/wods/wols/ |
| 16:01.41 | asg | sparr: well, then I'd bet an extra 2 megs for tcl/tk wouldn't be too bad for someone running 500 megs of X bloat |
| 16:02.02 | sparr | X might not be 500 megs |
| 16:02.28 | sparr | my nokia 770 runs X, and its root filesystem is something like 40MB, and at least half that is not-X |
| 16:02.45 | sparr | it doesnt use a wacom input... but it could |
| 16:03.05 | asg | sparr: I was speaking in the general case (graphic designers, etc). |
| 16:03.09 | sparr | ahh |
| 16:03.10 | sparr | yes then |
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| 16:03.44 | moshii | x isn't that big.. it's just once you have a graphical environment it's nice to have apps and media like fonts ;) |
| 16:04.31 | aurel42 | What part of the system is responsible for finding the type of video card for the X configurator? I know discover plays a role, does that have its own device database or does it rely on the kernel or pciutils? |
| 16:05.08 | [sr] | wny postfix package guys here? |
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| 16:05.36 | moshii | aurel42: The debconf script does some detection magic when you configure the package |
| 16:06.19 | linux_jones | i need to figure out how to make my debian laptop a router, anyone have any links to good how to's? |
| 16:06.27 | blinx | sparr: which package you found? I can'T find the package you mean |
| 16:06.50 | pipeline_ | linux_jones: exterior routing? install GNU Zebra |
| 16:07.00 | aurel42 | moshii: yeah, and that fails on sarge for my card... so I'm wondering what package I need to be upgrading until my card is known. |
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| 16:07.03 | pipeline_ | linux_jones: Normal routing? enable IP forwarding using sysctl and sysctl.conf |
| 16:07.08 | moshii | linux_jones: it takes two commands to do it, but a package like ipmasq might be more what you want |
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| 16:07.47 | moshii | aurel42: you should use dpkg-reconfigure and change the question priority so that you get asked to select the card |
| 16:07.48 | pipeline_ | linux_jones: yes, moshii is right.. firewalling and NAT are a separate problem. You need to look into ipfilter for that. |
| 16:08.29 | linux_jones | moshii, can i apt-get that? for now i want to just pass the traffic through, ill come back to the firewall when i get that fixed |
| 16:08.57 | moshii | linux_jones: just a second.. I'll give you the lines |
| 16:09.19 | aurel42 | moshii: yeah, I set the driver and the device number and I still get "no screen found" on sarge. Also, lspci tells me it's an "unknown" NVidia device. That's why I wonder what package actually holds the device database for the cards. |
| 16:10.06 | mifritscher | hi |
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| 16:10.21 | moshii | linux_jones: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward then iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o rausb0 -j MASQUERADE .. change rausb0 to the interface with the network you want to route for |
| 16:10.28 | aurel42 | moshii: on etch/lenny/sid, lspci identifies the device correctly as GO 6600. I need to find the point in time after the card card is well-known and before it stops working. :) |
| 16:10.56 | pingouin | moshii: update-pciids(8) ? |
| 16:10.56 | moshii | linux_jones: that's like a quick fix solution though |
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| 16:11.28 | pingouin | sorry, not moshii, aurel42 |
| 16:11.36 | moshii | aurel42: update-pciids like pingouin said |
| 16:11.50 | moshii | aurel42: you might find that the driver you have in xorg is too old also |
| 16:12.41 | mifritscher | how can I install the combo libapache2-php and apache2-mpm-worker? |
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| 16:13.26 | aurel42 | moshii: yeah, I'm trying to upgrade gradually to a point where it works to find out as exactly as possible when it stopped working. Just trying to minimize the number of dist-upgrades now (I could try day-by-day, but I have a time range of several months to cover). |
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| 16:14.04 | moshii | aurel42: what driver are you using? the nv one or the binary driver? |
| 16:14.34 | aurel42 | moshii: both stopped working at the same time, which indicates it's not really a driver problem. |
| 16:14.55 | Eulex | mifritscher, you can't. |
| 16:15.07 | mifritscher | hmm |
| 16:15.09 | Eulex | mifritscher, see apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:15.11 | moshii | aurel42: ah, it worked in the past then.. is there much in the xorg log? |
| 16:15.29 | mifritscher | Eulex, ok, and how can I remove this dependence? |
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| 16:15.37 | blinx | sparr: it is strange because I only installed packages from the debian sid repo |
| 16:15.39 | Eulex | mifritscher, what do you mean? |
| 16:15.50 | linux_stu | what is a good program for handling suspending to disk and possible other power management options? |
| 16:15.53 | blinx | sparr: and the directory /usr/local/etc/gtk-2.0 doesn't exist |
| 16:15.57 | mifritscher | that php and worker can't be installed at the seem time |
| 16:16.15 | aurel42 | moshii: nothing special, the X server starts and runs "fine", it just displays garbage (horizontal lines in a nice pattern) |
| 16:16.48 | sparr | blinx: what does the error mean? what is not working? |
| 16:16.51 | moshii | aurel42: weird, does the vesa driver work atleast? |
| 16:16.55 | Eulex | mifritscher, this requirement is not an arbitrary one; php does not work with with apache2-mpm-worker. see apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 16:17.06 | blinx | sparr: the icon cache of gnome is not ok |
| 16:17.18 | blinx | and I wanted to refresh it |
| 16:17.21 | mifritscher | hmm, many say that php does indeed work with worker^^ |
| 16:17.24 | sparr | i dont use gnome much, im not sure. maybe that is broken in sid? |
| 16:17.28 | mifritscher | (yes, the php-module for apache2 |
| 16:17.29 | aurel42 | moshii: yeah, it does. And an old *speaking softly* ubuntu live cd works, too, kinda ruling out a hardware problem. |
| 16:17.32 | blinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.37 | moshii | aurel42: maybe x is turning something funky on like VBERestore.. that broke things on my i845 |
| 16:17.48 | sparr | either way, im out of ideas, sorry |
| 16:17.59 | Eulex | mifritscher, see apt-cache show libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 16:18.51 | mifritscher | eulex, I know this |
| 16:18.54 | kemistor | hello. i have etch r0 netinst CD. is it all i need to do to get r1 is apt-get update & upgrade? |
| 16:18.57 | blinx | sparr: but which package? |
| 16:19.15 | mifritscher | but installing worker and prefork at the same time doesn't work |
| 16:19.21 | Eulex | right |
| 16:19.23 | aurel42 | kemistor: if your sources.list is set up correctly, yes |
| 16:19.34 | mifritscher | so: how can I install both at the same time ;) |
| 16:19.52 | asg | mifritscher: you can't |
| 16:20.14 | mifritscher | can i fool the package sys in any way? |
| 16:20.26 | mifritscher | else I use the "hard" way: installing preforker, but extracting worker :p |
| 16:20.28 | asg | mifritscher: well, you could use a chroot for one and virtual ips. |
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| 16:20.53 | mifritscher | I don't to actuelly use both at one time, only install |
| 16:21.00 | mifritscher | so I could switch between both fast |
| 16:21.29 | Eulex | and you will be doing that often? |
| 16:21.49 | mifritscher | during testing, yes |
| 16:21.55 | moshii | mifritscher: vm |
| 16:22.01 | aurel42 | mifritscher: why not install apache and apache2? isn't apache1 virtually identical to what a2 does with the prefork engine? |
| 16:22.22 | aurel42 | mifritscher: you could even put them on different ports and use them simultaneously. |
| 16:22.51 | mifritscher | aurel42, actuelly I want to install worker+libapche2-php |
| 16:22.59 | mifritscher | but php debends on prefork |
| 16:23.03 | mifritscher | *depends |
| 16:23.23 | aurel42 | mifritscher: yeah, because the php engine can only work with the prefork engine, I think that's a design issue. |
| 16:23.25 | asg | mifritscher: yes, php will not work with worker |
| 16:23.31 | mifritscher | hmm |
| 16:23.42 | mifritscher | I yust asked the developers from php, it should work |
| 16:23.43 | mifritscher | ^^ |
| 16:24.00 | jelly-home | or, to be more precise, php is not thread-safe |
| 16:24.01 | aurel42 | mifritscher: apt-get source php5, change debian/control |
| 16:24.04 | Eulex | (as I've told you multiple times and as the package description of libapache2-mod-php5 explains) |
| 16:24.04 | mifritscher | the only problem are several third party php modules |
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| 16:24.24 | mifritscher | aurel42, ah, thanks :-) |
| 16:24.25 | aurel42 | mifritscher: then dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us and install the resulting packages |
| 16:24.34 | asg | !tell L0cKn about away |
| 16:24.50 | L0cKn | sorry asg |
| 16:25.12 | mifritscher | Eulex, I indeed know that debian thinks that it is not working, but I heared that it should indeed work |
| 16:25.29 | et | it works if you build php that way. |
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| 16:25.45 | et | (and the debian build isn't) |
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| 16:26.08 | mifritscher | in which way? |
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| 16:26.19 | mifritscher | configure-option? patches? |
| 16:26.24 | aurel42 | mifritscher: if you need more changes to the debian package than just the dependency, check out the package maintainers guide for details on the package system. |
| 16:26.33 | et | configure-option |
| 16:26.57 | mifritscher | and why doesn't debian use this option? |
| 16:27.04 | \amethyst | et: you could use equivs to build a dummy apache2-mpm-prefork package that does not provide the apache2-mpm virtual package, and install that to satisfy libapache2-mpm-php5 |
| 16:27.08 | aurel42 | mifritscher: just guessing: stability reasons? |
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| 16:27.23 | et | mifritscher: the threadsafe version is slower |
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| 16:28.13 | mifritscher | the apache2prefork version does need much more ram^^ |
| 16:28.17 | moshii | has anyone here used the vserver enabled kernels on a desktop machine? I want to keep my normal system but have a vm with lighttpd etc in for testing work :/ |
| 16:28.59 | wols | moshii: learn to ask real questions. kthxbye |
| 16:29.28 | aadil | :D |
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| 16:29.49 | moshii | wols: um yeah cheers |
| 16:30.18 | wols | to gie you a headstart: "anyone used..." questions are always BS |
| 16:30.50 | moshii | wols: Not really, I want to know if anyone has managed to run a desktop system with a vserver kernel |
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| 16:31.11 | moshii | wols: running xen for example kills most desktop potential |
| 16:31.54 | wols | what is desktop potential? |
| 16:32.02 | wols | !anoyne |
| 16:32.05 | wols | !anyone |
| 16:32.05 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:32.29 | wols | read this factoid and go away until you understand it, please |
| 16:32.33 | moshii | wols: The ability to be able to run x withouth it crapping out |
| 16:32.54 | wols | so you say X crashes when you run a versver kernel? |
| 16:33.02 | wols | *vserver |
| 16:34.00 | moshii | wols: no vserver is more of an extension of chrooting opposed to a hypervisor, which I'm hoping means I can run my current desktop system while running a testing vm in the background |
| 16:34.27 | wols | so you say xen kills X instead? |
| 16:34.37 | wols | you really are a very confused cookie |
| 16:34.45 | moshii | wols: xen takes over the hardware |
| 16:35.00 | wols | that's not what I asked. I asked "Xen kills X" |
| 16:35.23 | wols | and things like UML could do what you wanted for ages. heck, CoLinux can do it in windows even |
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| 16:35.57 | r3tex | anyone here experiencing crashing in lenny when using gl with the new nvidia drivers? |
| 16:36.07 | r3tex | I just discovered today that my gl doesn't work anymore |
| 16:36.11 | moshii | wols: uh, xen takes over the hardware, making hardware bashing difficult |
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| 16:36.32 | wols | hardware bashing? you really have a strange vocabulary |
| 16:36.49 | wols | when I "bash" my hardware, usually a big stick is involved. not any peice of software |
| 16:37.08 | moshii | wols: bashing the hardware is to program it directly, maybe you were never part of the 8bit\16bit scene? |
| 16:37.48 | wols | *sigh* |
| 16:38.30 | moshii | very common language in the demo scene too |
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| 16:38.50 | wols | I guessed as much. demo scene |
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| 16:40.02 | wols | if you are capable enough to understand written text (which I have some doubt), I gave you some pointers |
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| 16:40.22 | moshii | wols: uml and colinux are much the same as xen |
| 16:40.42 | jelly-home | wols: and it's not that all anyone... questions are useless, just the ones that don't state the problem are. |
| 16:41.12 | wols | moshii: that really shows how ignorant you are.let me show you something: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Xen_screenshot.png |
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| 16:41.45 | wols | jelly-home: "anyone used X" is always useless. and stupid |
| 16:41.52 | wmldw | Hi. I've just set up a debian lenny box. the whole filesystem (except /boot) is encrypted inside dm_crypt on top of a LVM. everything works fine when I use the default debian kernel, but when I try to compile my own (without modules or initrd) it can't mount the partiotions on boot :/ afaik I've put all relevant modules into the kernel (encryption algorithms, ide + fs drivers, etc) |
| 16:42.01 | wmldw | output: |
| 16:42.02 | jelly-home | wols: all generalizations suck. |
| 16:42.03 | wmldw | VFS: Cannot open root device "mapper/debian-root" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 16:42.11 | wmldw | Please append a correct "root" boot option; blabla |
| 16:42.18 | wmldw | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.26 | moshii | wols: is that x running on hardware? |
| 16:43.02 | moshii | wols: you can run "x" but drawing in software to a framebuffer in memory hardly counts |
| 16:43.06 | jelly-home | moshii: also, what's wrong with running X on the "real" machine and using a vm for the rest? |
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| 16:43.19 | wols | moshii: from what I remember, at least one OS of the ones you run can access the hardware directly. it's just that the others can't since xen just won't deal with hardware I/O. yet |
| 16:43.35 | wols | if/when penryn introduces io virtualization, this might change |
| 16:43.36 | jelly-home | "dom0" |
| 16:43.54 | moshii | jelly-home: yes, but I've never got everything working 100% in the dom0.. vserver looks like a better choice, hence I asked if anyone had tried it |
| 16:44.16 | wols | moshii: and the things I told you about like UML certainly would do what you want easily. if you don't care about Freeness, vmware would too haippily |
| 16:44.30 | jelly-home | moshii: on a desktop system, I haven't. but it's basically a glorified chroot. |
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| 16:45.06 | moshii | jelly-home: that's what I'm thinking too, which is what I want... |
| 16:45.15 | wols | jelly-home: are we talking about virtuozzo or vserver. both are sometimes called "vserver" iirc |
| 16:45.21 | jelly-home | moshii: so, I'd install a vserver kernel, run X and see what happens. |
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| 16:45.34 | wmldw | drizzd: mr. spam! |
| 16:45.49 | moshii | jelly-home: It's looking that way ;) |
| 16:45.53 | linux_stu | what is a good program for handling suspending to disk and possible other power management options? |
| 16:45.54 | jelly-home | wols: vserver vserver. |
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| 16:46.01 | jelly-home | wols: at least here. |
| 16:47.36 | jelly-home | linux_stu: laptop? this works for me: kernel w/ tux-on-ice patch, hibernate script, laptop-mode-utils |
| 16:47.59 | linux_stu | thanks jelly-home |
| 16:48.16 | amphi | linux_stu: swsusp and 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' hibernates here |
| 16:48.34 | zicho | does anyone play xjump? |
| 16:48.42 | blinx | sparr: you have no idea where the config for the libs of gnome is? |
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| 16:48.50 | blinx | then I would modify the wrong path |
| 16:48.54 | jelly-home | linux_stu: hibernate supports the kernel's swsusp too, so you can try if that works out for you |
| 16:48.56 | sparr | nope, sorry |
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| 16:49.45 | wols | blinx: what "config"? |
| 16:49.56 | wols | and I can tell you, nothing dbeian ever uses /usr/local |
| 16:50.05 | blinx | wols: the config of the default libraries |
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| 16:50.23 | wols | what "config"? |
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| 16:50.28 | moshii | blinx: you mean the linker configuration? |
| 16:50.32 | wols | why would a library need some config? |
| 16:50.58 | wols | but pdo will tell you there is no *pixbuf.loaders in debian apparently |
| 16:51.18 | blinx | sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 16:51.18 | blinx | (gtk-update-icon-cache:5370): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/local/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders': No such file or directory |
| 16:51.30 | blinx | my icons are fucked up |
| 16:51.34 | wols | but going from your error message, it would be in /etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixpuf.loaders in debian |
| 16:51.53 | wols | your gtk is fucked up more likely |
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| 16:52.21 | blinx | wols: it was only a system upgrade (SID) |
| 16:52.25 | blinx | wols: what you would do? |
| 16:52.31 | jelly-home | blinx: can you pastebin ldd `which gtk-update-icon-cache` ? |
| 16:52.31 | wols | correction: it would be in /etc/... if it were installed from debian packages |
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| 16:53.07 | blinx | jelly-home: everything is default |
| 16:53.21 | blinx | ldd `which gimp` |
| 16:53.30 | blinx | libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x00002b43a25e0000) |
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| 16:53.39 | jelly-home | blinx: dude, /usr/local/lib is NOT default |
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| 16:53.44 | wols | jelly-home: don't you love it when people just ignore what you say to them and instead answer you something totally unrelated, unhelpful and unrequested? |
| 16:53.54 | blinx | jelly-home: I know |
| 16:54.01 | blinx | because of that I pasted this! |
| 16:54.02 | jelly-home | blinx: also, not part of Debian. |
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| 16:54.22 | wols | blinx: then the question arises how did that file get there? with what .deb package? |
| 16:54.23 | \amethyst | blinx: did you install gtk or gdk by hand into /usr/local at some point? |
| 16:54.48 | blinx | \amethyst: I only upgraded my SID debian |
| 16:55.05 | blinx | wols: is there any history file of apt? |
| 16:55.08 | \amethyst | blinx: Someone did, because debian doesn't place things in /usr/local |
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| 16:55.14 | yosef | Hi |
| 16:55.27 | wols | blinx: not really. sorta /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 16:55.41 | yosef | I have question, always when I adject the time, after rebooting the time change |
| 16:55.45 | wols | blinx: but what amee2k said stilla pplies. No debian, not even sid would put files in /usr/local/ |
| 16:55.48 | \amethyst | blinx: try dpkg -S /usr/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 to see if it belongs to a package |
| 16:55.57 | jelly-home | blinx: that library in /usr/local/lib did not come with Debian. You might have installed it before and things worked for a while |
| 16:56.13 | wols | \amethyst, rather |
| 16:56.32 | wols | yosef: changes how? |
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| 16:56.42 | blinx | no package |
| 16:57.05 | jelly-home | wols: [something totally unrelated, unhelpful and unrequested?] luckily, it was helpful this time :-) |
| 16:57.11 | blinx | now my question is how to change the path to the default |
| 16:57.14 | \amethyst | blinx: And you're sure you never meant to install a local version of gdk? If so, remove that library and run ldconfig |
| 16:57.31 | jelly-home | blinx: remove the library |
| 16:57.40 | yosef | wols: it's changing to another time, the bios time is correct, when I boot, i enter the setup, it's correct, But when debian boot, I found the time differant from the time I adject |
| 16:57.52 | jelly-home | blinx: btw, /usr/local/lib taking preference to /usr/lib is the default |
| 16:57.55 | wols | blinx: but check there is another libgdk_pixbuf someplace under /usr/ (not under /usr/local of course( |
| 16:58.30 | jelly-home | blinx: I'd also check for and move away any other /usr/local/lib/libg[td]k* |
| 16:58.34 | wols | yosef: always the same amount of differece? what timezone are you? |
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| 16:59.44 | blinx | benny@debian ~ % sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 16:59.44 | blinx | Cache file created successfully. |
| 16:59.57 | yosef | wols: asia - Dubai, I don't remember exactly if it always coming back to a certin time |
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| 17:00.12 | yosef | wols: when I correct it, It will run fine till reboot the system |
| 17:00.16 | wols | yosef: not a certain time but a certain time difference to current local time |
| 17:00.21 | snowbird | has any one used laser jet 1300 |
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| 17:00.31 | blinx | it works! |
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| 17:00.33 | wols | !tell snowbird about anyone |
| 17:00.38 | blinx | THANK YOU |
| 17:00.42 | jelly-home | wols: now see, THAT'S a useless anyone question :-) |
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| 17:00.57 | wols | jelly-home: the other one wasn't useful either :P |
| 17:01.09 | jelly-home | wols: it provided way more data. |
| 17:01.16 | \amethyst | blinx: there might be other obsolete libs in /usr/local/lib that could cause similar problems in the future |
| 17:01.17 | snowbird | just wonder how 1300 would work and who sues one |
| 17:01.30 | wols | jelly-home: only after endless prodding. the initial question whas just as useless |
| 17:01.34 | yosef | wols: ah, you mean like it always go back 5 hour, or something like this, I don't know really, I need to reboot many times, in differant times to know that |
| 17:01.39 | jelly-home | snowbird: checked www.linuxprinting.org ? |
| 17:01.39 | wols | !tell snowbird about hcl |
| 17:01.45 | snowbird | yeah |
| 17:01.46 | wols | snowbird: rule of thumb: laserjets work |
| 17:02.04 | wols | yosef: you only need to reboot twice |
| 17:02.08 | wols | yosef: at most |
| 17:02.11 | snowbird | i hope so thsi one is usb not netready |
| 17:02.14 | jelly-home | wols: bad rule if model =~ /100[05]/ |
| 17:02.29 | jelly-home | wols: (those are winprinters) |
| 17:02.33 | wols | you could also run ntpdate pool.ntp.org while booting. dirty, but workable |
| 17:02.36 | yosef | wols: you mean I reboot now? |
| 17:02.58 | blinx | \amethyst: th |
| 17:03.00 | blinx | x |
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| 17:03.02 | wols | jelly-home: they went away from PCL? UGH! |
| 17:03.03 | yosef | wols: I have also another problem here |
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| 17:04.03 | jelly-home | wols: the really cheap stuff has to get firmware via usb at boot (or reset) and uses a dumb language, you basically feed them bitmaps. |
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| 17:04.34 | foxure | Hello.. How could i do a shell that only permits the user to run ssh and some other basics tools? |
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| 17:05.21 | wols | foxure: chroot and copy only ssh and those basic tools in there |
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| 17:06.03 | foxure | wols: is there not any easier way to do this?..=/.. |
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| 17:06.16 | wols | foxure: uml |
| 17:06.31 | wols | easier to setup that at least |
| 17:06.41 | wols | costs more RAM and diskspace tho |
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| 17:07.11 | jelly-home | wols: at work, we'd been given a LJ 1005 for a while, then got fed with it and asked for something with postscript emulation. A Kyocera FS-920 which just rules. I _think_ the 1300 in question talks PCL. |
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| 17:08.05 | foxure | hmm.. i thought there would been a easy solution=/.. but thx anyway |
| 17:08.12 | snowbird | i hope so the revcveiw said they dont print like old one |
| 17:08.26 | snowbird | oi have laser jet 5 oldie worked fne died |
| 17:08.33 | yosef | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:08.35 | L0cKn | o_O |
| 17:08.38 | Eulex | foxure, code your own shell? |
| 17:08.55 | Eulex | yosef, setup sudo? |
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| 17:09.17 | jelly-home | foxure: the so-called restricted shells almost all have a history of security issues. Your safest bet really is a separate VM. |
| 17:09.17 | wols | yosef: show us the output of ls -l for that file which asks you about |
| 17:09.34 | petemc | we use kyoceras, they run linux |
| 17:09.46 | wols | petemc: on the printer? |
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| 17:10.11 | petemc | they're large multi function devices |
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| 17:10.46 | lordrich | foxure: look at restricted shell |
| 17:11.04 | yosef | wols: http://pastebin.com/m1a45a716 |
| 17:11.13 | \amethyst | foxure: rssh perhaps, but it has had security bugs in the past |
| 17:11.18 | yosef | Eulex: what is setup sudo? |
| 17:11.19 | lordrich | foxure: rsh would work but as jelly-home says, a separate vm is best |
| 17:11.34 | CAiRO_ | when i have an external sata disk, how do i make the kernel recognize it? |
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| 17:11.39 | lordrich | also, if they're connecting using ssh to your machine, ssh can restrict what commands they can use |
| 17:12.07 | wols | yosef: rm -rf <whatever> |
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| 17:12.11 | wols | should work fine |
| 17:12.22 | wols | your shell might have aliased rm to rm -i |
| 17:12.34 | Eulex | !tell yosef about sudo |
| 17:12.47 | wols | CAiRO_: what happens if you plug it in? and where do you plug it in (check dmesg) |
| 17:13.03 | foxure | Maybe restricted shell would be something, it would be better than a to do nothing :) |
| 17:13.06 | CAiRO_ | wols: nothing happens, that's the problem |
| 17:13.15 | CAiRO_ | i've checked dmesg, no message unfortunately |
| 17:13.42 | yosef | wols: it's removed for both when I use -rf and not, the problem only on the GUI, Just now I knew |
| 17:13.47 | wols | CAiRO_: esata I gather? maybe check if your sata driver is hotplug capable |
| 17:13.53 | wols | without hotplug, nothing will happn afaik |
| 17:14.27 | foxure | I have a anyterm apache module runnings as user anyterm.. And therefore i would like to restrict the shell so that a intruder going trought anyterm won't be able to kill the system |
| 17:14.41 | CAiRO_ | wols: hmm, ok, i don't know what esata is.. i've just seen it has connectors at the back that are like normal sata connectors |
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| 17:14.56 | jelly-home | CAiRO_, wols: even with hotplug, one possibly needs to rescan the "scsi" bus |
| 17:15.07 | nerdzyboy | sry, I closed the channel window by mistake |
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| 17:15.14 | yosef | wols: the exact message is Error while moving item to "/home/yosef/.Trash" You do not have permission to write to this folder. |
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| 17:15.40 | wols | CAiRO_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esata#External_SATA |
| 17:15.59 | wols | yosef: ls -al /home/yosef/.Trash |
| 17:16.20 | wols | yosef: probably that dir has wrong permissions or owner |
| 17:16.29 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: ok, thanks, i'll try to do it.. when i use scsiadd, it says i have no scsi subsystem.. even though i've connected other internal sata drives |
| 17:17.00 | freespace | on a dual core machine, if i utilise both cores, load would be close to 2.0, or would it still be 1.0 ? |
| 17:17.19 | yosef | wols: I made it , I make rm -R /home/yosef/.Trash and then it asked this is write protected folder, are you sure you want to delete, I delete it, and then mkdir /home/yosef/.Trash , now I can delete normally, thank you verymuch |
| 17:17.21 | wols | load doesn't measure utilization |
| 17:17.34 | wols | otherwise a laod of 5 or 10 or whatever wouldn't be possible on a single core machine |
| 17:18.01 | freespace | i understand that it measures how many extra cpus i would need in order to have completed all tasks with in some timeframe |
| 17:18.04 | yosef | wols: I don't know why it become write proteced folder |
| 17:18.13 | freespace | something like it, so a load of 2 means i need twice as much as i have now, etc |
| 17:18.17 | wols | yosef: we don't know either |
| 17:18.31 | yosef | wols: you don't know? |
| 17:18.45 | Eulex | freespace, no, it measures the average amount of processes that are waiting for their turn. |
| 17:18.47 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: hmm, can you do a echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan and see if anything appears in dmesg? host0 should be the relevant sata controller |
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| 17:19.20 | freespace | Eulex: ok |
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| 17:21.47 | yosef | wols: I'll reboot now |
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| 17:23.25 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: for each of the 5 hosts i have i get "bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument" |
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| 17:24.56 | CAiRO_ | could it be that sata devices use libata nowadays? |
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| 17:25.16 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: sata devices have used libata since like 2.6.10 |
| 17:25.26 | CAiRO_ | oh, ok |
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| 17:25.47 | Luzhin | Hello! |
| 17:25.56 | Luzhin | /nick Sirin |
| 17:26.00 | Luzhin | oops |
| 17:26.04 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: well, it works for me. are you root? :-) does using >> instead of > help? |
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| 17:26.44 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: yes, i'm root.. i run 2.6.18.. when i use "echo 0 0 0 > /sys/class/scsi_host/host6/scan" i at least dont get an error message |
| 17:27.16 | FordCortina | is there a way to modify xorg setting without restarting? things like options for my synaptics touchpad? |
| 17:27.23 | FordCortina | settings* |
| 17:27.33 | wols | restarting what? X or debian? |
| 17:27.47 | jetscreamer | kde and gnome have such settings applets |
| 17:27.55 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: does echo "- - -" produce the expected output for you? |
| 17:28.00 | wols | jelly-home: but not for everything afaik |
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| 17:28.18 | xjkx | http://www.pastebin.ca/670363 |
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| 17:28.21 | FordCortina | wols: X |
| 17:28.26 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: I mean just the plain echo. I don't use bash... |
| 17:28.43 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: oh, it was my fault, i was missing the space between the - |
| 17:28.53 | CAiRO_ | with "- - -" it rescans the bus now |
| 17:28.53 | CAiRO_ | thanks |
| 17:29.00 | jelly-home | gut |
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| 17:30.06 | CAiRO_ | even though it doesn't find the external disk.. but i can see its finding the internal ones |
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| 17:30.30 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: and apart from rescanning the bus, does it find the attached devices? :-) |
| 17:30.34 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 17:31.24 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: well, i hope those sata connectors are really connected.. at least the power connector is as i can hear the disk spin up |
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| 17:32.46 | sparr | all of my kde apps want to use the same wallet, "kdewallet", is there any way to change that? i want some to use a password-less wallet, and others to use the normal kdewallet |
| 17:33.30 | nerdzyboy | is there such a thing as an internet sharing package that I could install? (I tried firestarter but it needs x to run, Id rather have something that can run without x) |
| 17:33.48 | petemc | nerdzyboy: ipmasq |
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| 17:35.00 | \amethyst | nerdzyboy: ipmasq |
| 17:35.07 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:35.14 | \amethyst | I'm slow today |
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| 17:36.04 | wols | nerdzyboy: dnsmasq is good too to use in conjunction with ipmasq |
| 17:36.06 | jelly-home | CAiRO_: it's possible that your controller doesn't do hotplug and that you must have disks attached at boot |
| 17:36.30 | jelly-home | \amethyst: more coffee. |
| 17:36.31 | CAiRO_ | jelly-home: ok, i'll try to reboot tonight... thanks a lot for your help |
| 17:37.17 | \amethyst | heh, everyone suggests dnsmasq, but I'm still using bind and dhcp3-server |
| 17:37.26 | petemc | aol |
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| 17:39.38 | eifzon | How shall i do to not get SMP when I am installing debian? |
| 17:40.20 | stoned | oh my god man |
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| 17:40.28 | stoned | this sesame chicken is awesome |
| 17:41.09 | stoned | man I'm trying to get some painkiller going on |
| 17:41.19 | petemc | i made spag bol, v tasty |
| 17:41.23 | stoned | and it is like negative 4 fps |
| 17:41.28 | stoned | or 1/4th fps |
| 17:41.48 | stoned | last time I ran it in cedega under sid it was fine, just as fast as it was on windows |
| 17:41.57 | jetscreamer | eifzon: nosmp on the boot: line |
| 17:41.59 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 17:42.07 | stoned | jetscreamer: you know any good fps games |
| 17:42.11 | stoned | shooters? |
| 17:42.31 | jetscreamer | open-arena tremulous ioquake urbanterror enemy territory .. ? |
| 17:42.42 | eifzon | jetscreamer, what line... |
| 17:43.02 | jetscreamer | eifzon: if the installer, the boot: line when it first boots |
| 17:43.03 | stoned | single player game, with missions and levels |
| 17:43.14 | stoned | not just a online fps deathmatch game |
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| 17:43.36 | stoned | enemy territory costs money? |
| 17:43.56 | jetscreamer | i think tremulous or openarena has that.... one of them has single.. or another in sources does and i forget the name.. no et is free as in beer |
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| 17:44.14 | eifzon | jetscreamer ok, will it be nosmp forever then? :) |
| 17:44.16 | stoned | jetscreamer: really? |
| 17:44.21 | yos87 | wols: it go 3 hour after |
| 17:44.21 | jetscreamer | there's another *arena in sources though |
| 17:44.23 | \amethyst | eifzon: are you using grub or lilo? |
| 17:44.24 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 17:44.25 | stoned | enemy territory is wolfenstein right? |
| 17:44.35 | eifzon | \amethyst, lilo |
| 17:44.36 | stoned | and its free? |
| 17:44.37 | stoned | wtf |
| 17:44.37 | eifzon | *grub |
| 17:44.38 | eifzon | i mean |
| 17:44.47 | jetscreamer | eifzon: if you always put nosmp, or put that directive in lilo.conf it will be |
| 17:44.52 | jetscreamer | err |
| 17:44.55 | jetscreamer | menu.lst then |
| 17:44.55 | yos87 | wols : you here? |
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| 17:45.21 | eifzon | jetscreamer, but wouldnt nosmp before installing be enough? |
| 17:45.26 | jetscreamer | but if you just put it once, like hit e on the grub menu, no it won't stick |
| 17:45.34 | \amethyst | eifzon: then add "nosmp" to the kernel line in your grub config |
| 17:45.44 | jetscreamer | nosmp would not use smp in the installer imo but not positive |
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| 17:46.05 | jetscreamer | and you'd have to fix menu.lst if you wanted it to be like that after install |
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| 17:46.21 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/aOcDUlfPZ |
| 17:46.39 | jetscreamer | it's wolfenstein w/o the single player |
| 17:46.54 | eifzon | ok jetscreamer, i did try this yesterday, then it didnt work properly, cant look what error I get to ;| |
| 17:46.55 | jetscreamer | but there are some changes in the engine iirc |
| 17:47.24 | jetscreamer | eifzon: hit e when you boot grub, edit the line, put nosmp |
| 17:47.27 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 17:47.33 | o2T7 | I could reinstall, purge, etc. both fglrx-driver and nvidia-glx, but it now doesn't compile |
| 17:47.40 | lordrich | yos87: try 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' to make sure you've got the correct timezone set |
| 17:47.51 | stoned | pompous |
| 17:47.56 | eifzon | okok jetscreamer, will try |
| 17:47.57 | jetscreamer | both? you have nvidia and ati? |
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| 17:48.16 | o2T7 | jetscreamer: I had nvidia and now i have ati |
| 17:48.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:48.44 | o2T7 | but it was impossible to remove nvidia-glx |
| 17:48.57 | jetscreamer | shouldn't be |
| 17:49.26 | o2T7 | i had to delete the lines of libGL* from /var/lib/dpkg/diversions |
| 17:49.33 | stoned | The K Desktop Environment is written and maintained by the KDE Team |
| 17:49.53 | o2T7 | then dkpg said that the package was not installed |
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| 17:50.17 | stoned | oh hey |
| 17:50.18 | o2T7 | I finally got fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src installed |
| 17:50.33 | o2T7 | reinstalled ndivia-glx and purged it |
| 17:50.43 | stoned | o2T7: which card is in the machine now? |
| 17:51.08 | o2T7 | stoned: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M9+ 5C61 [Radeon Mobility 9200 (AGP)] (rev 01) |
| 17:51.21 | o2T7 | the ati one |
| 17:51.26 | stoned | o2T7: just use the ati driver, opensource |
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| 17:51.33 | o2T7 | i can use "ati" driver without problems |
| 17:51.41 | o2T7 | just not rendering |
| 17:51.43 | stoned | o2T7: why do you want fglrx? I'm sure radeon mobility is supported by opensource |
| 17:51.48 | stoned | o2T7: direct rendering? |
| 17:52.04 | stoned | I was under the impression that the opensource ati drivers can do 3D |
| 17:52.11 | yos87 | where is wols? |
| 17:52.15 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
| 17:52.21 | o2T7 | for example, glxgears |
| 17:52.22 | jetscreamer | he is in vegas |
| 17:52.27 | jetscreamer | with hugh hefner |
| 17:52.30 | jetscreamer | partying |
| 17:52.34 | yos87 | lordrich: I made it, I have to correct timezone |
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| 17:52.35 | jetscreamer | you don't mind do you |
| 17:52.52 | \amethyst | o2T7: have you tried the 'radeon' driver? |
| 17:52.59 | hark | o2T7: use the radeon driver |
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| 17:53.09 | stoned | o2T7: as I found out, loading the ati driver loads radeon |
| 17:53.18 | stoned | its one in the same afaik, now |
| 17:53.32 | stoned | ati is a wrapper for radeon driver |
| 17:53.45 | o2T7 | Yes, but in Xorg.log i have that module glx doesn't exist |
| 17:53.47 | stoned | so if you want fglrx you should know it does not support composite |
| 17:53.48 | \amethyst | is the Mobility 9200 the same chipset as the 9200? |
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| 17:54.03 | stoned | !tell Edgardoweb -about away |
| 17:54.25 | o2T7 | \amethyst: in ati's official website they have different drivers |
| 17:54.30 | stoned | !tell o2T7 -about fglrx one-liner |
| 17:54.30 | Edgardoweb | :S stoned |
| 17:54.32 | o2T7 | well, better said |
| 17:54.39 | hark | \amethyst: the RV280 |
| 17:54.44 | o2T7 | they don't provide mobil..... drivers for 9200 |
| 17:54.55 | \amethyst | rv280 isn't listed as supported by 'radeon' |
| 17:55.08 | yos87 | I have problem in the time, the time change after 3 hour alway after rebooting the system, somebody can help me through |
| 17:55.14 | \amethyst | so probably fglrx is necessary for direct rendering in debian |
| 17:55.23 | \amethyst | oh wait, it is listed, I missed it |
| 17:55.49 | hark | yos87: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 17:55.51 | stoned | yos87: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata and make sure you select the right timezone, then apt-get install ntpdate && sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 17:56.07 | hark | fglrx doesen't support it afaik |
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| 17:56.16 | stoned | yes |
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| 17:56.29 | o2T7 | stoned: Once installed with the one-liner (if it succeeds), which driver should i choose on reconfiguring xserver? fglrx or ati? |
| 17:56.32 | stoned | fglrx does dri, just not composite or any aiglx support |
| 17:56.34 | yos87 | hark: UTC=YES |
| 17:56.37 | stoned | I use fglrx on my X1900XT |
| 17:56.46 | stoned | o2T7: fglrx |
| 17:56.54 | snowbird | stoned i got printer for debian |
| 17:56.54 | o2T7 | fine, |
| 17:57.07 | stoned | snowbird: congrats |
| 17:57.12 | stoned | snowbird: what is it? |
| 17:57.16 | o2T7 | until now i get a black screen when selecting it, let's see if it compiles |
| 17:57.23 | stoned | snowbird: i hope you're not spending money like crazy |
| 17:57.46 | stoned | snowbird: if the printer doesn't work in debian, try to figure out why, don't buy a new one ;) |
| 17:57.57 | hark | o2T7: purge fglrx, nvidia and whatever and maybe reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri. radeon is the driver you need |
| 17:58.13 | hark | yos87: and is your BIOS set to local time? |
| 17:58.22 | \amethyst | o2T7: So when you start with fglrx on a mobility 9200 you get a blank screen? |
| 17:58.48 | yos87 | hark: when I reboot, I enter the setup, the time is correct, the Bios time is fine |
| 17:58.51 | o2T7 | hark: perhaps there is the problem, with libgl1-mesa-dri, i do it |
| 17:59.05 | snowbird | 1300 laserjet |
| 17:59.06 | o2T7 | \amethyst: yes |
| 17:59.14 | snowbird | and then cannon bubblejet |
| 17:59.23 | \amethyst | o2T7: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151242 suggests it could be a modeline problem |
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| 17:59.50 | snowbird | i stoned not shure if 1300 has good crisp text |
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| 17:59.55 | hark | yos87: if it's local time, change it to UTC=no |
| 18:00.16 | jelly-home | is there a way to know in advance which parts of a sparse file are not sparse? |
| 18:00.18 | stoned | snowbird: not sure I still own a 5 year old hp all in one printer |
| 18:00.19 | hark | o2T7: but why fglrx? |
| 18:00.22 | stoned | and it works great |
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| 18:00.27 | jetscreamer | stoned: openarena and alien arena.. one of those is the single player i think |
| 18:00.31 | jetscreamer | in sources |
| 18:00.31 | o2T7 | \amethyst i take note of that |
| 18:00.45 | jetscreamer | s/is/has/ |
| 18:00.50 | yos87 | hark: how to change the UTC to NO? |
| 18:00.56 | spq | !tell spq about simple sid backport |
| 18:00.57 | o2T7 | hark: I thought it was the only way of getting hardware acceleration |
| 18:01.00 | yos87 | hark: and what is the UTC? |
| 18:01.02 | snowbird | stoned what one |
| 18:01.05 | jetscreamer | !edit |
| 18:01.05 | dpkg | hmm... edit is "factoid =~ s/foo/bar/" |
| 18:01.10 | asg | yos87: tzconfig |
| 18:01.14 | stoned | !utc |
| 18:01.14 | dpkg | utc is probably Universal Time Convention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 18:01.17 | \amethyst | yos87: UTC is Universal Coordinated Time (greenwich mean) |
| 18:01.19 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 18:01.33 | jetscreamer | !cmd' |
| 18:01.36 | jetscreamer | !cmd |
| 18:01.46 | jetscreamer | no not win |
| 18:01.56 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: tell yourself about selftell ;-P |
| 18:02.02 | jetscreamer | s/win/.exe/ |
| 18:02.20 | wols | yos87: exaxctly 3 hours? and if your run ntpdate pool.ntp.org, it's right again? |
| 18:02.37 | \amethyst | dpkg, utc =~ s/Universal Time Convention/Coordinated Universal Time/ |
| 18:02.37 | dpkg | OK, \amethyst |
| 18:02.39 | jetscreamer | since the output was null ... |
| 18:02.53 | snowbird | Stoned what all in one? |
| 18:03.04 | stoned | hp psc 2400 something |
| 18:03.05 | jetscreamer | wun |
| 18:03.13 | yos87 | wols: ntpdate command not found |
| 18:03.18 | jetscreamer | !ntp |
| 18:03.19 | dpkg | hmm... ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
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| 18:03.27 | Eulex | !installit |
| 18:03.27 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 18:03.43 | hark | yos87: did you change it to no? |
| 18:04.03 | yos87 | hark: I don't know how to change it , how to do? |
| 18:04.16 | asg | yos87: /msg dpkg utc |
| 18:04.23 | jetscreamer | i think he told you |
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| 18:04.36 | snowbird | oh oldie |
| 18:04.47 | jetscreamer | s/many/multiple/ |
| 18:04.48 | stoned | jetscreamer: ? |
| 18:04.49 | asg | snowbird: are you listening to the Human League again? |
| 18:04.51 | \amethyst | dpkg, ntp =~ s/ntpdate // |
| 18:04.52 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 18:05.10 | stoned | !ntp |
| 18:05.10 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 18:05.13 | stoned | !ntpdate |
| 18:05.14 | dpkg | i heard ntpdate is a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, and add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf. |
| 18:05.27 | stoned | jelly-home: ? |
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| 18:05.38 | jelly-home | |-) |
| 18:05.45 | stoned | now? |
| 18:05.46 | hark | 4nic8 :) |
| 18:05.48 | zicho | how can i sync my clock with a "time server", or what they are called? |
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| 18:05.55 | asg | zicho: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 18:06.06 | jelly-home | hark: how could I have missed that! |
| 18:06.18 | o2T7 | http://www.nopaste.com/p/avozMOJnr |
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| 18:06.49 | jelly-home | hark: that's going to be my new password: 4nic8r |
| 18:07.00 | zicho | asg: ty man |
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| 18:07.15 | asg | o2T7: what debian version are you using? |
| 18:07.29 | \amethyst | dpkg, ntpdate =~ s/, and add(.*)\.$/, add\1, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in \/etc\/ntp\/defaults\/ntp/ |
| 18:07.43 | \amethyst | dpkg, ntpdate =~ s@, and add(.*)\.$@, add\1, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in \/etc\/ntp\/defaults\/ntp@ |
| 18:07.44 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, \amethyst |
| 18:07.52 | o2T7 | asg: 4.0 with compiled 2.6.22.1 kernel |
| 18:08.02 | \amethyst | dpkg, ntpdate =~ s/, and add/, add/ |
| 18:08.03 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 18:08.16 | \amethyst | dpkg, ntpdate =~ s/\.$/, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in \/etc\/ntp\/defaults\/ntp./ |
| 18:08.19 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I don't think it has backreferences in =~ ... |
| 18:08.22 | asg | o2T7: does it isn't guaranteed to work with your custom kernel. Install the supplied etch kernel and see if that fixes things. |
| 18:08.31 | \amethyst | dpkg, ntpdate =~ s:\.$:, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/ntp/defaults/ntp.: |
| 18:08.31 | dpkg | \amethyst: what are you talking about? |
| 18:08.33 | o2T7 | asg: ok |
| 18:08.35 | asg | \amethyst: please /msg the bot |
| 18:09.14 | grad | Hi! When will kernel update to 2.6.18-5 in Etch??? |
| 18:09.16 | fas3r | hello every body |
| 18:09.21 | asg | grad: on which arch? |
| 18:09.25 | hark | o2T7: but really, amd has stopped supporting that card. just use the radeon driver |
| 18:09.45 | grad | asg: arch?? |
| 18:09.53 | o2T7 | fine |
| 18:09.54 | stoned | I heard/read somewhere that there is an old version of fglrx somewhere that supports aiglx and composite or one of those |
| 18:09.56 | asg | grad: architecture |
| 18:09.58 | stoned | is this true? |
| 18:10.05 | grad | asg: 686 |
| 18:10.07 | stoned | or at least composite |
| 18:10.09 | hark | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 18:10.10 | asg | grad: I know it's already been updated on x86 and ARM |
| 18:10.15 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 18:10.43 | grad | asg: How about 486??? |
| 18:10.55 | o2T7 | the 9200 is new, perhaps it is better to buy a supported one. This one cost 30 euro, about 33-35 usd |
| 18:11.08 | o2T7 | Do you know a better one no much more expensive? |
| 18:11.36 | asg | grad: that's part of x86, it should be available. Try installing 2.6.18-5-486 |
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| 18:12.01 | asg | grad: or install linux-image-2.6-486 and it should pull the new update in as well. |
| 18:12.09 | centrx | grad, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
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| 18:12.28 | jelly-home | o2T7: a 9200 will work with free drivers well enough to use 3d screensavers. |
| 18:12.29 | centrx | oh wait, etch is stable |
| 18:12.42 | centrx | it is not going to update unless there is a security update |
| 18:12.43 | zicho | !version |
| 18:12.43 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 18:12.57 | hark | o2T7: well, the 9200 is defintely not new |
| 18:12.59 | asg | centrx: there was one, it will update but only if he has the 2.6-486 meta-package installed. |
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| 18:13.19 | \amethyst | centrx: there was a security update |
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| 18:13.28 | o2T7 | hark: i mean that i bought it three days ago |
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| 18:13.50 | grad | I have 2.6.18-4-686 and when I run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, it writes: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 18:13.55 | grad | WHY?? |
| 18:14.01 | asg | grad: no, install linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 18:14.11 | hark | o2T7: it works great with the open source drivers |
| 18:14.24 | o2T7 | radeon? |
| 18:14.28 | hark | yes |
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| 18:15.00 | o2T7 | are they included in xserver-xorg-video-ati ? |
| 18:15.00 | jelly-home | asg: um, -686 (seeing as he already has a -686 kernel working)? |
| 18:15.08 | asg | jelly-home: but he keeps going on about 486 |
| 18:15.12 | wols | !tell Yoda-- about installit |
| 18:15.27 | o2T7 | i can't see radeon driver when dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:15.32 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 18:15.35 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 18:16.04 | grad | asg: I have to install linux-image-2.6-686, not linux-image-2.6.18-4-686??? |
| 18:16.19 | hark | o2T7: do you have xorg installed? xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
| 18:16.21 | wols | o2T7: use the "ati" driver |
| 18:16.25 | wols | o2T7: what X version? |
| 18:16.34 | asg | grad: linux-image-2.6-686 is a meta package that installs the latest updated kernel as a side effect. |
| 18:16.34 | \amethyst | grad: Do you want 2.6.18-4 or 2.6.18-5 ? |
| 18:16.40 | o2T7 | I am using ati driver now, but get no acceleration |
| 18:16.41 | asg | grad: install it, all will be well. |
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| 18:16.49 | Eulex | o2T7, what card? |
| 18:16.53 | jelly-home | \amethyst: he wants "latest", probably |
| 18:16.56 | wols | Eulex: radeon 9200 |
| 18:17.04 | o2T7 | i don't know if it is a conf problem or a driver problem |
| 18:17.07 | gravity | o2T7: You need to make sure you have the xserver's GLX installed. |
| 18:17.21 | Eulex | o2T7, just enable dri in your X config and you should get acceleration |
| 18:17.26 | o2T7 | Eulex: ATI Technologies Inc M9+ 5C61 [Radeon Mobility 9200 (AGP)] (rev 01) |
| 18:17.28 | gravity | o2T7: Download xserver-xorg-core and install it with dpkg -i. Whichever version is the right version for your system. |
| 18:17.31 | grad | \amethyst: I want to have regulary updates of the kernel |
| 18:17.41 | asg | grad: then install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:17.47 | o2T7 | gravity: that's the problem |
| 18:17.48 | gravity | iirc, you didn't get rid of the nvidia glx installation |
| 18:17.49 | fas3r | i have a problem with radius all configuration is good it's launch great .. it's with certificat i have generate it with no problem and no error but when i want to install the client certificat on windows computer but when i need to enter the password it's say " the password is not correct" |
| 18:17.55 | gravity | o2T7: What's the problem? |
| 18:17.55 | grad | asg: Thanks!! |
| 18:18.01 | Eulex | o2T7, also: fglrx won't work for your card, do not even try it. they dropped support for r200 cards. |
| 18:18.08 | o2T7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:18.16 | gravity | o2T7: That's why you need to dpkg -i it |
| 18:18.48 | fas3r | but i have enter the same than CA.clt and CA.svr ... |
| 18:18.51 | stoned | man dammnit i hate ati |
| 18:18.57 | fas3r | nobody have idea .. :( |
| 18:18.58 | gravity | o2T7: fglrx and nvidia both replace the xserver's glx with their own. When you try to run one of the free drivers, they expect the normal GLX to be there. When they can't find it, they can't do dri |
| 18:18.59 | stoned | does anyone want to buy an X1900XT fro mme |
| 18:19.00 | stoned | please |
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| 18:19.03 | stoned | just take it away |
| 18:19.03 | \amethyst | My next computer will have intel video |
| 18:19.05 | stoned | :( |
| 18:19.18 | o2T7 | ok |
| 18:19.23 | stoned | its a $250 video card, i'll sell it for 200 |
| 18:19.31 | stoned | :( |
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| 18:20.03 | wols | stoned: $250? when? in 2005? |
| 18:20.05 | gravity | stoned: Help work on avivo |
| 18:20.13 | gravity | Your card should work with it |
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| 18:20.14 | Eulex | o2T7, apt-get remove fglrx-driver |
| 18:20.22 | stoned | wols: now, check newegg |
| 18:20.32 | gravity | oy, you still have fglrx installed? Get rid of it. |
| 18:20.37 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:20.40 | stoned | well i game |
| 18:20.41 | o2T7 | yes, i have |
| 18:20.43 | gravity | fglrx can't be installed at all when you want to use ati. It won't work. |
| 18:20.50 | gravity | Ot |
| 18:20.51 | stoned | I should contact those avivo team |
| 18:20.55 | gravity | It's one or the other |
| 18:21.02 | gravity | stoned: Just download the source and get on it |
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| 18:21.10 | Eulex | which is pretty irritating |
| 18:21.11 | gravity | stoned: We have it in experimental right now |
| 18:21.17 | stoned | mind you i've never done device driver code before |
| 18:21.24 | o2T7 | so i get rid or fglrx, reinstall xserver's core and that's all? |
| 18:21.32 | snowbird | asg phone wrang mom on it |
| 18:21.36 | gravity | o2T7: If you still have nvidia-glx, get rid of that too |
| 18:21.48 | gravity | God, fglrx needs to conflict with ati |
| 18:21.56 | snowbird | then cell phone gf in chinise restraunt so i had to order grub' |
| 18:21.59 | stoned | gravity: so make it happen ;) |
| 18:22.06 | o2T7 | Ii got rid of nvidia at least |
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| 18:22.14 | gravity | o2T7: You need to get rid of both if you want 3ds |
| 18:22.17 | jelly-home | gravity: um, why? The 2D parts can coexist. |
| 18:22.24 | gravity | jelly-home: True, but he wants 3d |
| 18:22.30 | gravity | jelly-home: And fglrx *breaks* ati |
| 18:22.34 | o2T7 | and then just reinstall xserver-xorg-core? |
| 18:22.39 | gravity | And, quite literally, every other driver on the system that uses dri |
| 18:22.40 | stoned | !fglrx |
| 18:22.40 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 18:22.47 | snowbird | ati is no more its amd now with no ati drivers |
| 18:22.52 | stoned | i think its too old |
| 18:23.11 | stoned | because I have chcked the website and ati claims fglrx is now ok with xorg > 7.1 |
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| 18:23.41 | stoned | and I'm using it right now too |
| 18:23.50 | o2T7 | anyway fglrx doesn't compile ( |
| 18:24.00 | stoned | well it wont work on yoru hw anyway |
| 18:24.05 | stoned | just stick with opensource |
| 18:24.16 | stoned | either buy nvidia or live without dri |
| 18:24.31 | o2T7 | fine |
| 18:24.36 | stoned | I don't need another machine or video card until The Elder Scrolls 5 comes out |
| 18:24.47 | stoned | which will be a few years |
| 18:25.03 | stoned | so if i can sell this ati card and get an nvidia i'll be set |
| 18:25.30 | stoned | by the time the new game comes out, geforce 8 will be much cheaper, who knows a geforece 9 might come out |
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| 18:25.44 | stoned | and quad core will be cheap too in a few years |
| 18:26.29 | jelly-home | gravity: hmm, I have ii fglrx-driver 8.38.6-2 and am using ati driver at present. Sure it breaks 3D, but 2d works. |
| 18:26.44 | gravity | jelly-home: fglrx breaks functionality of the ati driver |
| 18:26.46 | gravity | That's *bad |
| 18:27.17 | xerophyte | what do i need to setup dual monitor head for my linux box ? do i need to get another video card or something ? |
| 18:27.25 | jelly-home | gravity: ok. I'm just saying the basics work. |
| 18:27.28 | o2T7 | Lets see some nvidia prices, I let myself get convinced by an ati fan :) |
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| 18:28.04 | gravity | jelly-home: I've seen too many bug reports where people were confused why dri didn't work on their ati cards all of a sudden. This is almost always the reason. |
| 18:28.04 | jelly-home | gravity: frankly, I'd like fglx-driver not to remove xserver-xorg-video-ati if possible |
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| 18:28.20 | jelly-home | gravity: yeah, but that's dri _only_. |
| 18:28.30 | gravity | jelly-home: Then *you* deal with the bug reports |
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| 18:29.01 | gravity | jelly-home: Frankly, I'm sick of seeing them. They're a waste of time, both in #debian's and for Debian maintainers |
| 18:29.03 | jelly-home | gravity: I just think you might get more reports with "X doesn't work at all afoter removing fglrx", then |
| 18:29.23 | gravity | jelly-home: No, then the server will just load vesa |
| 18:29.33 | jetscreamer | it's Option "DmaMode" "None" and Option "BusType" "PCI" that i needed so 16bit 3d wouldn't lock up |
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| 18:29.51 | jelly-home | gravity: that's arguably even worse :-) |
| 18:29.53 | jetscreamer | savagery |
| 18:29.57 | gravity | jelly-home: Not for me. |
| 18:30.37 | jetscreamer | yay glscreensavers |
| 18:30.42 | jetscreamer | woohoo |
| 18:30.43 | jelly-home | gravity: also, removing video-ati will trigger removing of various meta-packages |
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| 18:31.18 | gravity | jelly-home: Then the person who's doing the work should be well aware of what's going on. Currently, they have no idea that glx is being moved around underneath them, nor what it entails. Removing the ati driver wholesale is at least clear. |
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| 18:32.56 | gravity | Basically, and nvidia-glx and fglrx need to conflict with any dri-using driver, because they break them. |
| 18:33.03 | gravity | Not totally, but they do |
| 18:33.31 | vlt | Hello. I got a really unexpected NFS problem. The client wants to open "/mnt/server/file" but "file" on the server is a symlink to the server's "/mnt/somewhere/realfile". Now *the client* tries to follow "/mnt/somewhere/realfile" which obviously doens't exist. How can I force the server to deliver "realfile" to the cient (w/o using CIFS where this would work fine)? |
| 18:33.43 | \amethyst | gravity: have you seen bug 401584? |
| 18:33.52 | _RAT1 | to everybody: How can i download one single file from multiple sites?, such like Download accelerator.... |
| 18:34.03 | linux_stu | does anyone know of a good analysis of the speed differences between gnome and kde? |
| 18:34.06 | jelly-home | gravity: but just removing them fixes the issue. when, if you make them Conflict, the user will be left without any decent driver at all, possibly. |
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| 18:34.18 | linux_stu | or know whether gnome of kde is generally considered faster |
| 18:34.25 | jetscreamer | something about following across partitions of fstypes in the nfs server settings iirc |
| 18:34.30 | jetscreamer | s/of/or/ |
| 18:34.52 | jelly-home | gravity: somehow I don't see how ruining DRI is worse than forcing the user back to vesa |
| 18:34.52 | gravity | \amethyst: It looks broken |
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| 18:35.05 | gravity | jelly-home: vesa is a resonable driver. it does work. |
| 18:35.13 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 18:35.15 | \amethyst | gravity: but it might be better to work on fixing it than to disable coexistence altogether |
| 18:35.22 | jelly-home | gravity: so does ati without dri. |
| 18:35.27 | gravity | jelly-home: That's not working |
| 18:35.40 | gravity | jelly-home: vesa does all its supposed to do when fglrx is installed. ati does not. |
| 18:35.48 | jelly-home | gravity: it's more accelerated than vesa, isn't it? |
| 18:35.48 | gravity | So vesa is not broken in any way, where ati is. |
| 18:35.57 | _RAT1 | How can i download one single file from multiple sites?, such like Download accelerator...., there is a software in linux (debian)? |
| 18:36.00 | gravity | jelly-home: Sure, but it still doesn't do what it's supposed to do. |
| 18:36.08 | \amethyst | gravity: what about non-ATI drivers with GLX? |
| 18:36.10 | gravity | \amethyst: If it works and it's applied to fglrx, that's great |
| 18:36.10 | jelly-home | gravity: it still does more than vesa! |
| 18:36.18 | gravity | \amethyst: They'd all need to conflict too |
| 18:36.31 | gravity | jelly-home: Like I said. *You* deal with the bug reports. |
| 18:36.32 | asg | _RAT1: what is Download accelerator? |
| 18:36.45 | gravity | jelly-home: Whining to me isn't fixing people's broken systems any more. |
| 18:36.57 | gravity | jelly-home: Nor is it saving anyone any time. |
| 18:37.02 | jetscreamer | hey do i need to load the savage or savagefb modules, in /etc/modules, to use the savage dri in xorg? |
| 18:37.04 | xerophyte | how can i get the video card info ? |
| 18:37.16 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/something |
| 18:37.22 | Eulex | xerophyte, what information about it? |
| 18:37.23 | gravity | jetscreamer: No, they should load on their onw |
| 18:37.23 | _RAT1 | a Download Manager in the windows.... |
| 18:37.33 | jelly-home | gravity: true, I won't step up for that. I just think you're exchanging one set of bugs for another, time delayed. |
| 18:37.34 | beardy | xerophyte: lspci |
| 18:37.48 | beardy | xerophyte: With -v, -vv, -vvv according to taste |
| 18:37.57 | xerophyte | beardy, thx |
| 18:37.58 | gravity | jelly-home: I prefer clear bugs than the mess we have now. I keep seeing people with horribly broken systems. |
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| 18:38.09 | jetscreamer | or lspci |grep VGA |
| 18:38.15 | jetscreamer | or -i vga |
| 18:38.16 | gravity | jelly-home: Saying "just reinstall xserver-xorg-video-ati" is *way* easier than having someone futz with getting glx back in order |
| 18:38.35 | asg | _RAT1: maybe freeloader. Not sure though, most people who care about such things just torrent. |
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| 18:38.49 | _RAT1 | asg: I need download that file from more than one mirror... |
| 18:39.00 | jetscreamer | k thx gravity |
| 18:39.42 | xerophyte | beardy, i have intel 82915G card, if i need dual head .. do i need to get another card and install it ? |
| 18:39.48 | jelly-home | gravity: yeah, but the user may have also lost xserver-xorg-video-all, xorg, and whatnot. Maybe conflicting with other libgl1 providers would be preferable |
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| 18:40.06 | asg | _RAT1: do you actually have enough bandwidth yourself to make this useful? |
| 18:40.10 | gravity | jelly-home: No, that wouldn't happen. |
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| 18:40.20 | [sr] | how to i list files inside a .deb package? |
| 18:40.21 | [sr] | dpkg ? |
| 18:40.22 | gravity | jelly-home: The server depends on -all or any single driver |
| 18:40.28 | asg | [sr]: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 18:40.36 | \amethyst | [sr]: dpkg -c |
| 18:40.50 | o2T7 | ok, after purging all third party glx glxgears gave me an error because i manipulated it for removing nvidia-glx |
| 18:41.11 | o2T7 | i reinstalled libgl1-mesa and glxgears now run |
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| 18:41.18 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 18:41.18 | [sr] | tks |
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| 18:41.47 | jetscreamer | the metapackage formerly known as xorg :) |
| 18:41.55 | o2T7 | but they very very slow |
| 18:41.55 | jetscreamer | err ... |
| 18:41.58 | sparr | how can i disable the password prompt after suspend/hibernate wakup? |
| 18:42.09 | jelly-home | gravity: ah. Ok, then it's just reinstall video-all, then (works for both fglrx and nvidia, while keeping all the drivers intact for upgrades) |
| 18:42.44 | gravity | jelly-home: I think so, yes |
| 18:42.54 | jetscreamer | hey there's an example of what ya'll were talking about eh..... fuxoring up glx :) |
| 18:43.02 | gravity | jelly-home: The idea is just to put up a wall between fglrx/nvidia-glx and the drivers they break. |
| 18:43.04 | _RAT1 | asg: i mean, if it download a piece of each site, it is more optimal for the complete downloading |
| 18:43.07 | jelly-home | gravity: you have one irc user's okay :-) |
| 18:43.11 | gravity | heh |
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| 18:43.45 | _RAT1 | asg: is like a multi-thread downloading... |
| 18:44.10 | asg | _RAT1: then no, I'm not aware of such a thing. Others might. |
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| 18:44.31 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: intel drivers ftw :-) |
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| 18:44.37 | o2T7 | Now, you say it is impossible enable direct rendering on this card? |
| 18:44.58 | azeem | o2T7: who said that? |
| 18:44.59 | jetscreamer | i don't think that's what they said, but i wasn't paying attention |
| 18:45.03 | hark | o2T7: it's still not enabled? |
| 18:45.04 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: if you're into flashy screensavers, check out rss-glx package |
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| 18:45.11 | o2T7 | No, it isn't |
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| 18:45.47 | azeem | o2T7: did you install fglrx via the Debian package, or from ati's website? |
| 18:45.57 | o2T7 | i guessed it because it wasn't. I missunderstood something |
| 18:45.58 | _RAT1 | anybody that knows?: How can i download one single file from multiple sites?, such like Download accelerator... |
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| 18:46.02 | NiCeBoY | hello here.. i have a script and i want to execute it.. anyone can help me how to execute is.. the file is like this file.script thanks .. |
| 18:46.09 | o2T7 | azeem: from debian's |
| 18:46.15 | o2T7 | but now it is purged |
| 18:46.21 | asg | NiCeBoY: what does 'file /path/to/script' print out? |
| 18:46.27 | hark | o2T7: pastebin "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |head" |
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| 18:47.11 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 18:47.20 | NiCeBoY | asb002 what i am trying to do is installer qmail from qmailrocks... so i have to run this script /downloads/qmailrocks/scripts/install/qmr_install_linux-s1.script |
| 18:47.38 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: warning: the skyrocket saver has _sound_ |
| 18:47.40 | asg | NiCeBoY: oh, then chmod +x <script> ; ./<script> |
| 18:48.06 | jelly-home | !bless NiCeBoY |
| 18:48.06 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child NiCeBoY, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 18:48.37 | NiCeBoY | asg that is i do "chmod+x /downloads/qmailrocks/scripts/install/qmr_install_linux-s1.script" then do "./downloads/qmailrocks/scripts/install/qmr_install_linux-s1.scrip" |
| 18:48.40 | asg | jelly-home: it's djbware, at least it will install in a known screwy location and not pollute most of the filesystem. |
| 18:48.42 | \amethyst | _RAT1: axel is one such (command-line) program |
| 18:48.44 | NiCeBoY | lol jelly lol.. |
| 18:48.45 | asg | NiCeBoY: yep |
| 18:48.58 | NiCeBoY | ok asg let me try. |
| 18:49.02 | \amethyst | _RAT1: gwget might do parallel downloads, too, but I don't know |
| 18:49.08 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/arLHiDw3hb |
| 18:49.20 | \amethyst | NiCeBoY: actually, no . there if you're running it by the full path |
| 18:49.26 | asg | \amethyst: does that actually really help in any meaningful way though? Just curious. |
| 18:49.34 | _RAT1 | i can't believe that in windows you can do it... and linux... |
| 18:49.43 | \amethyst | asg: Dunno, I don't use them. |
| 18:49.53 | hark | _RAT1: i think aria2 supports it |
| 18:50.02 | o2T7 | I see i don't have r200_dri.so |
| 18:50.05 | jelly-home | asg: thank goodness for /service and /var/qmail! :-) |
| 18:50.12 | _RAT1 | i have gwet but it can't do it... |
| 18:50.13 | asg | _RAT1: he pointed you at axel, that should do the trick. |
| 18:50.14 | NiCeBoY | asg working man thanks a lot :) |
| 18:50.15 | jetscreamer | then obviously you CAN, you just need to practice your google-fu more |
| 18:50.23 | asg | NiCeBoY: you're welcome |
| 18:50.28 | NiCeBoY | asg ;) |
| 18:50.29 | hark | o2T7: did you install what i'd said earlier? |
| 18:50.29 | o2T7 | Is it what asg said before? Because of my compiled kernel? |
| 18:50.37 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 18:50.47 | jetscreamer | and a non-stock kernel? |
| 18:50.53 | jetscreamer | 'and' |
| 18:51.04 | _RAT1 | i i try with axel... wait for me... |
| 18:51.05 | o2T7 | 2.6.22.1 |
| 18:51.06 | asg | o2T7: I said that you were trying to use the fglrx one-liner factoid with a custom kernel. That would not be guaranteed to work. |
| 18:51.16 | o2T7 | oh, ok |
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| 18:51.53 | \amethyst | _RAT1: d4x might be another one to try, too |
| 18:52.25 | jetscreamer | !wait for _RAT1 |
| 18:52.29 | o2T7 | How to install that module? |
| 18:52.30 | _RAT1 | ok... |
| 18:52.37 | hark | _RAT1: like aria2c http://AAA.BBB.CCC/file.zip http://DDD.EEE.FFF/GGG/file.zip |
| 18:53.16 | _RAT1 | the synaptic say: This program ...... multiple |
| 18:53.17 | _RAT1 | connections for one file..." for the axel... |
| 18:53.42 | alex12345 | I want my laptop do nothing when I close a lid . right now it goes to sleep. I changed setting s in gnome , but it doesnt help. what else can I change? |
| 18:53.48 | hark | o2T7: what module? /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so ? |
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| 18:54.10 | amphi | alex12345: the handler under /etc/acpi perhaps? |
| 18:54.24 | o2T7 | hark: yes |
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| 18:54.50 | nooneelse | someone knows a em64T LiveCD ?? |
| 18:55.01 | alex12345 | amphi: I tried to delete lid.sh , but it was created again :-) |
| 18:55.05 | hark | o2T7: did you purge the fglrx and nvidia drivers first? |
| 18:55.09 | _RAT1 | but I doubt that the axel works with flashgot... yes, i love flashgot... |
| 18:55.09 | nooneelse | AMD64/EM64T LiveCD ?? |
| 18:55.14 | o2T7 | hark: yes, i did |
| 18:55.38 | hark | o2T7: reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 18:55.40 | amphi | alex12345: that'll teach you to use a DE ;) |
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| 18:55.48 | o2T7 | nooneelse: did you try to make your own: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 18:55.53 | o2T7 | hark: ok |
| 18:55.55 | nooneelse | hmm |
| 18:55.56 | nooneelse | thanks |
| 18:56.18 | alex12345 | amphi: should I edit lid.sh or not? |
| 18:56.53 | jelly-home | alex12345: wow, I have the opposite problem... mine (xfce, lenny) doesn't do anything when I close the lid |
| 18:57.02 | vlt | jetscreamer: The only appearence of "symlink" is in /usr/share/doc/nfs-kernel-server/changelog.Debian.gz. Any idea where to look for it? |
| 18:57.04 | hark | alex12345: gnome? configure it in gnome-power-preferences |
| 18:57.05 | alex12345 | :-) |
| 18:57.11 | amphi | alex12345: I have no idea about your setup |
| 18:57.14 | NiCeBoY | asg now i have to apply a patch /downloads/qmailrocks/patches/daemontools-0.76.errno.patch how do i proceeed pleasE? |
| 18:57.31 | amphi | jelly-home: what does cat /sys/power/state say? |
| 18:57.32 | alex12345 | yes, it s gnom and I changed settings already |
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| 18:57.33 | asg | NiCeBoY: doesn't qmailrocks have instructions? They used to. |
| 18:57.45 | o2T7 | hark: it says it was installed, but now i reinstalled the package and i can ls it |
| 18:57.47 | petemc | NiCeBoY: does that patch make qmail not blindly accept mail to non existant users? |
| 18:57.48 | jelly-home | amphi: mem disk |
| 18:57.57 | NiCeBoY | asg this is what they gave patch < /downloads/qmailrocks/patches/daemontools-0.76.errno.patch |
| 18:58.03 | \amethyst | nooneelse: http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/4.0_r0-rc1/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 18:58.04 | asg | NiCeBoY: yes |
| 18:58.06 | NiCeBoY | but when i do it nothing happens asg |
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| 18:58.37 | jelly-home | amphi: nb, hibernate script works. Also, critical low battery event triggers suspend to disk too. |
| 18:58.44 | asg | petemc: that fixes the "won't compile on newer gnu libc6 systems" issue. iirc, qmail is an open relay by default |
| 18:58.44 | amphi | jelly-home: you could just write a lid-handler that does 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' or whatever |
| 18:58.50 | Enselic | I would like to run emacs22 in etch, do you recomend me to compile it myself into /usr/local or use a debian package from upstream, or is there some other even better way |
| 18:58.58 | jelly-home | amphi: where? :-) |
| 18:59.00 | _RAT1 | ok axel do it, now I wonder if it can continue downloads interrupted like wget… |
| 18:59.06 | amphi | jelly-home: /etc/acpi |
| 18:59.20 | petemc | asg: yeah, i was being a bit facetious |
| 19:00.22 | jelly-home | amphi: thanks, I'll try calling something from there |
| 19:00.35 | \amethyst | _RAT1: hmm... don't see anything in the axel docs about that, but aria2 can with aria2 -c |
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| 19:01.00 | \amethyst | _RAT1: err, aria2c -c url1 url2 ... that is |
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| 19:01.50 | rowlandchane | Hi there |
| 19:01.51 | _RAT1 | \amethyst: the man of the axel don't say anything about it... |
| 19:02.07 | \amethyst | _RAT1: try aria2 perhaps then |
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| 19:02.40 | rowlandchane | I need to make a debian package. Very simple, but I need it... any tutorial I can follow to understand the whole thing? |
| 19:02.48 | asg | rowlandchane: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 19:03.15 | _RAT1 | \amethyst: ok... thanks... wait... i try aria2 |
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| 19:03.34 | rowlandchane | thanks dude |
| 19:04.08 | \amethyst | _RAT1: aria2 (just installed it) looks much more powerful that axel |
| 19:04.23 | o2T7 | nah, it looked for /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so. It wat at /usr/lib/dri/r200_dri.so. Made a soft link, copied the file... but i still get this: |
| 19:04.24 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/ajuMjZwMn |
| 19:07.20 | mesof | why do packages that get removed seem to re-install themselves on an upgrade? |
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| 19:08.11 | o2T7 | could it be file permissions? -rw-r--r-- 1 root root r200_dri.so |
| 19:08.16 | \amethyst | mesof: perhaps some other package that's getting upgraded starts to depend on them |
| 19:08.39 | dzs | does anybody know the trick to do the "grub-install /dev/sda5" in a chroot after a debootstrap? |
| 19:08.44 | asg | mesof: which package? how did you remove it? |
| 19:08.45 | \amethyst | mesof: which packages? |
| 19:08.56 | mesof | the ups package |
| 19:09.04 | azeem | dzs: what trick? Did you install a kernel? |
| 19:09.05 | mesof | apt-get --purge remove ups |
| 19:09.12 | dzs | azeem: yes i did |
| 19:09.19 | asg | !info ups |
| 19:09.31 | asg | !info ups sid |
| 19:09.37 | Eulex | mesof, no such package in debian. |
| 19:09.40 | dzs | but it keeps complaining that either (hd0,4) or /dev/sda5 or /dev/sda are not block devices |
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| 19:09.46 | asg | mesof: where did you get that package? |
| 19:09.59 | jelly-home | dzs: stupid question... what use is grub on a logical partition? |
| 19:10.00 | azeem | o2T7: the error is right there: (/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/r200_dri.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_set_warning_func |
| 19:10.08 | asg | mesof: put 'apt-cache policy ups' in a pastebin |
| 19:10.16 | mesof | rmpackage nut |
| 19:10.18 | dzs | jelly-home: i guess it boots the system |
| 19:10.22 | [sr] | guys |
| 19:10.24 | azeem | dzs: did you bind-mount /dev into the chroot? |
| 19:10.26 | mesof | er typo, package nut |
| 19:10.30 | [sr] | to download and build a package from source |
| 19:10.31 | mick_laptop | hi everyone - can someone tell me how i can see which device (/dev/XXX) a particular usb flash drive is connected to? |
| 19:10.33 | dzs | azeem: oh crap. i forgot that |
| 19:10.36 | [sr] | its with what? |
| 19:10.38 | [sr] | i fotgot |
| 19:10.39 | [sr] | forgo |
| 19:10.41 | [sr] | tt |
| 19:10.41 | mick_laptop | i have looked at dmesg after plugging in |
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| 19:10.46 | azeem | dzs: you don't have grub setup already? |
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| 19:11.18 | mesof | asg: package nut |
| 19:11.26 | azeem | mick_laptop: run dmesg | tail after you plugged it in |
| 19:11.35 | mick_laptop | that is what i did |
| 19:11.36 | dzs | azeem: i do. but i tend to keep grub in every setup in case i wipe out the other system |
| 19:11.37 | \amethyst | mesof: do you have nut-cgi still installed by any chance? |
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| 19:11.48 | azeem | dzs: grub is usually installed in the mbr |
| 19:11.54 | Iradigalesc | Hello! Why I need to press twoo times the key ~ in debian etch to wrtitte the charter? |
| 19:12.02 | Iradigalesc | sorry; debian lenny |
| 19:12.04 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: are you connected over ssh? |
| 19:12.11 | asg | [sr]: apt-get build-dep package ; apt-get -b source package |
| 19:12.19 | mick_laptop | azeem: this is my last line> hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to polling mode... |
| 19:12.23 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: Not now but sometimes |
| 19:12.25 | o2T7 | So they are definitively broken? |
| 19:12.26 | o2T7 | http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=undefined+symbol:+_glapi_set_warning_func&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 19:12.33 | mick_laptop | would it be /dev/hda_intel ? |
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| 19:12.46 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: but it never works |
| 19:12.49 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: Perhaps the keyboard layout is international with dead keys |
| 19:12.50 | \amethyst | ? |
| 19:12.55 | mesof | \amethyst: no |
| 19:13.00 | azeem | mick_laptop: do you have the usb-storage module loaded? |
| 19:13.09 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: does ~n type an ñ? |
| 19:13.13 | azeem | mick_laptop: and did you run dmesg right after you plugged it in? |
| 19:13.26 | jelly-home | mick_laptop: no, that's irrelevant (output from the sound card driver). look above that |
| 19:13.32 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: Yes |
| 19:14.05 | dzs | azeem: i have a boot loader in each partition. so when i take out one system i can use the other systems to boot |
| 19:14.16 | mick_laptop | usb_storage 75968 0 <--- usb_storage is loaded (that is what lsmod says) |
| 19:14.18 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: gnome-keyboard-properties (assuming you're using gnome) and check the "layouts" tab |
| 19:14.25 | mick_laptop | azeem: yes right after |
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| 19:14.28 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: I'm using KDE |
| 19:14.29 | mesof | well this may be a bad example with the nut package, but fonts that got removed even reinstalled |
| 19:14.32 | hark | o2T7: looks like you still have remnants of nvidia/fglrx... does "dpkg-divert --list" show them? |
| 19:14.57 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: there is a keyboard layout applet under the control center, I'm pretty sure |
| 19:15.10 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: I don't have KDE installed, so I can't tell you where it is exactly ATM |
| 19:15.14 | asg | mesof: have you been using both apt-get and aptitude? Is this a real debian system and not a knoppix/ubuntu/mepis clone? |
| 19:15.26 | Muisje | does debian has a groupcloak? |
| 19:15.45 | o2T7 | hark: i edited by hand /var/lib/dpkg/diversions |
| 19:15.57 | o2T7 | to delete libGL lines |
| 19:16.03 | hark | what? |
| 19:16.16 | mesof | asg: yes it is a real debian system, should i switch to only using aptitude? |
| 19:16.24 | o2T7 | I could not remove nvidia-glx by any other way |
| 19:16.25 | jelly-home | o2T7: but did you actually remove fglrx' files? |
| 19:16.31 | jelly-home | er, nvidia's |
| 19:16.35 | o2T7 | yes |
| 19:16.36 | azeem | o2T7: try "apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri" |
| 19:16.40 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: But isn't it possible to configure it for all users of the system automatically; If I use the terminal directly; it works, but if I'm into the X it dosn't |
| 19:16.46 | dzs | now the error is "/dev/sda5 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 19:16.49 | asg | mesof: it is possible that apt-get remove it but aptitude thinks it's still installed or needs to be. The suggestion is to use one, or the other, but not both. |
| 19:16.49 | o2T7 | at least the ones in /usr/lib |
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| 19:17.13 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: look for Option "XkbLayout" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:17.21 | DustyBin | if you install cups you cannot use lpr to print directly to your printer, is there a command line replacement for lpr what works with cups? |
| 19:17.23 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: perhaps you want Option "XkbLayout" "us" |
| 19:17.24 | mesof | asg: so which is better aptitude or apt? |
| 19:17.35 | asg | DustyBin: the cupsys-client or cupsys-bsd package |
| 19:17.44 | DustyBin | thanks :D |
| 19:17.55 | asg | mesof: aptitude is the one you should probably use at this point since it is apparently more powerful. |
| 19:18.05 | dzs | i guess i mounted the the /proc for the chroot wrong |
| 19:18.09 | o2T7 | By the way, Which is the method for knowing exactly all the files installed by a package? |
| 19:18.19 | hark | dpkg -L foo |
| 19:18.19 | dpkg | ii foo 1.7-12 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 19:18.22 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: "XkbLayout" "es" :( |
| 19:18.23 | mesof | awesome, so how do i remove apt? |
| 19:18.31 | Codenut | aptitude does not seem as easy though as I have run into dependcies |
| 19:18.32 | gravity | wtf |
| 19:18.36 | asg | mesof: you can't, just don't use it :) |
| 19:18.40 | o2T7 | oh, great |
| 19:18.42 | azeem | mesof: you can't, don't worry about it |
| 19:18.43 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: Do you want a Spanish layout without dead-tilde, or a US layout? |
| 19:18.55 | asg | mesof: try using aptitude to remove the packages you removed with apt-get and see if that fixes things for you. |
| 19:18.56 | jelly-home | dzs: if this is the only OS installed on the machine, install grub in MBR (use /dev/sda instead) |
| 19:19.06 | mesof | awesome |
| 19:19.08 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: A Spanish layout without dead-tilde |
| 19:19.14 | mesof | same commands? |
| 19:19.22 | azeem | mesof: nostly |
| 19:19.24 | azeem | mostly* |
| 19:19.33 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: maybe Option "XkbOptions" "nodeadkeys" |
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| 19:19.33 | dzs | jelly-home: thats not the problem. i know what i am doing. |
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| 19:19.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure console-data ? |
| 19:20.07 | _RAT1 | \amethyst: aria2c works!, but the -c option don't exist... |
| 19:20.21 | jelly-home | dzs: I'm not exactly sure of that, you need something in MBR to get you to grub on sda5. |
| 19:20.25 | mesof | awesome guys, thanks for the help |
| 19:20.40 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: OK; I'll try it. Thanks! |
| 19:21.27 | \amethyst | _RAT1: hmm... must have been added between 0.9.0 (in etch) and 0.11.2 (in sid) |
| 19:21.48 | dzs | jelly-home: dude. if i need advice i will ask for it. trust me. there are 3 different linux systems setup and a windows xp. and i have reasons to give each system its own boot loader. |
| 19:22.00 | mesof | and has there been any resolution to the weird font rendering in iceweasel |
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| 19:22.35 | dzs | i just never setup grub in a debootstrapped system from inside a running debian system |
| 19:22.37 | o2T7 | no luck with this |
| 19:22.55 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: rss-glx is cool |
| 19:23.16 | _RAT1 | \amethyst i have the 0.90.0-1 but the synaptic say that: "is a command line download client with resuming and segmented downloading" |
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| 19:24.36 | azeem | o2T7: no luck with what? |
| 19:24.37 | o2T7 | all the files listed in `dpkg -L nvidia-glx` are in place |
| 19:24.42 | dzs | proc is mounted for the chroot, /dev is bind mounted, i did the makedev inside the chroot. but it still refuses to do the "grub-install". any tips, please? |
| 19:24.53 | o2T7 | and still doesn't load dri |
| 19:25.06 | o2T7 | Should i erase by hand? |
| 19:25.15 | dondelelcaro | dzs: what part of it fails? Have you tried using the grub console to install it manually? |
| 19:25.25 | Wyzard | dzs: You don't really need grub-install... you can just use grub directly |
| 19:25.33 | vlt | Hello. I try to umount a fs but get "device is busy". `lsof | grep mnt` is empty. What's going on here? |
| 19:25.38 | o2T7 | i did `apt-get --reinstall install nvidia-glx && apt-get --purge remove nvidia-glx` |
| 19:25.43 | dzs | dondelelcaro: the grub console? i am in a debootstrapped chroot inside a running etch |
| 19:26.05 | dondelelcaro | dzs: yes, I heard. You type grub. You press enter. You are now in the grub console. |
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| 19:26.25 | dzs | "grub-install hd0,4" gives "this is no block device" and "grub-install /dev/sda5" gives a "/dev/sda5 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
| 19:26.25 | jetscreamer | root (hd0,0) ? |
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| 19:26.53 | dzs | jetscreamer: you mean me? |
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| 19:27.09 | Wyzard | dzs: In the grub console, run "root (hd0,4)" and "setup (hd0)" |
| 19:27.10 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: I have the same problem... :( |
| 19:27.18 | jetscreamer | i mean did you use the root command |
| 19:27.22 | dzs | Wyzard: but that wont touch the MBR? |
| 19:27.31 | jetscreamer | root (hd<TABKEY> |
| 19:27.39 | dondelelcaro | dzs: so type grub then device (hd0) /dev/sda; then root(hd0,4) setup(hd0); |
| 19:27.40 | Wyzard | dzs: That tells it that /boot is on /dev/hda5 (that's (hd0,4)), and it should put itself into the MBR on /dev/hda (that's (hd0)) |
| 19:27.57 | jetscreamer | what he siad |
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| 19:28.07 | Wyzard | dzs: Those two commands are really all grub-install does... it's just a convenience tool that figures out the right drive numbers for you |
| 19:28.23 | dzs | so "setup (hd0,4)" will put the boot record in the partion? |
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| 19:28.38 | Wyzard | dzs: yes, that'd put it in the partition rather than in the MBR |
| 19:28.39 | dzs | because the MBR is to be untouched |
| 19:28.43 | Wyzard | makes sense |
| 19:28.45 | dzs | Wyzard: thanks a lot |
| 19:28.57 | Wyzard | I assume you're going to chain-load it from another GRUB in the MBR, then? |
| 19:28.58 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: ah, it's an XkbVariant not an XkbOption |
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| 19:29.42 | Wyzard | dzs: or is there something else in the MBR, like ntldr? |
| 19:29.46 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: To add more than 1 variant, what I need to use to split them? |
| 19:29.47 | LightKnight | Hello Sirs and Mistresses. How can I read an RTF file from console/xterm? I'm not really willing to open OOWriter... :) |
| 19:29.48 | mo1991 | can someone tell me what for a standard etch install what user has the apache permissions? There is no user or group apache? Is it just installed with root permission? I am trying to add another program which uses apache |
| 19:29.52 | dzs | well. it cant find /boot/grub/stage1 and /grub/stage1 |
| 19:30.00 | LightKnight | mo1991: try "www-data" |
| 19:30.01 | mo1991 | and needs to be installed with the same privelages |
| 19:30.03 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: what variant are you using now? |
| 19:30.04 | dondelelcaro | dzs: so that means that you don't have grub installed in the chroot. |
| 19:30.10 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: cat |
| 19:30.21 | dondelelcaro | (or haven't copied the grub stages over to /boot/grub) |
| 19:30.23 | dzs | Wyzard: correct. i plan to be able to chain load from each of the 4 systems |
| 19:30.29 | jetscreamer | dzs: just boot your system via that grubshell you have there and run grub-install when it boots |
| 19:30.43 | mo1991 | LightKnight - I am installing an addon program which uses apache and is supposed to be installed as the same user as apache. I should use the "www-data" user? |
| 19:30.56 | Wyzard | dzs: oh, that's the other thing grub-install does: it copies those files from /usr/lib/grub |
| 19:31.01 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: www-data is the default user that apache runs as. |
| 19:31.01 | Wyzard | dzs: You can do that manually |
| 19:31.05 | dzs | dondelelcaro: "ii grub 0.97-29" |
| 19:31.07 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: however, the application should be installed as root. |
| 19:31.24 | dondelelcaro | dzs: then the second thing that I said applies |
| 19:31.44 | snowbird | lol were does i fit in |
| 19:31.45 | dzs | lol, bye bye jetscreamer |
| 19:31.48 | Muisje | !!! RETARD ALERT, DOWNGRADE ALERT, ALERT ALERT, SEGFAULT ALERT !!! <+spaz> i want windows <+spaz> linux is fucked up !!! RETARD ALERT, DOWNGRADE ALERT, ALERT ALERT, SEGFAULT ALERT !!! |
| 19:31.48 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Muisje |
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| 19:31.56 | Wyzard | dzs: To chain-load this installation from another GRUB, you'd use "chainloader (hd0,4)+1" |
| 19:31.59 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I am trying to install sitescape - it says to be installed as the web server account name / user - I guess this would be www-data? |
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| 19:32.21 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: well, it's wrong. |
| 19:32.21 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:32.21 | dzs | hold on, let me catch up with the scrolling :P |
| 19:32.22 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: I've not seen the cat variant... I think you can have only one variant at a time |
| 19:32.23 | snowbird | thank your fro the boot |
| 19:32.31 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 19:32.33 | dzs | Wyzard: 2 minutes to think, please :P |
| 19:32.34 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: do you have a cat_nodeadkeys variant maybe? |
| 19:32.47 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: it should be installed as root, and perhaps specific direectories should be owned or writeable by the user who runs the webserver. |
| 19:33.04 | mo1991 | sitescape should be installed as root |
| 19:33.05 | mo1991 | ? |
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| 19:33.18 | mo1991 | I changed the /home/sitescape permissions to www-data |
| 19:33.22 | Iradigalesc | snowbird: At which folder are the variants? |
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| 19:33.34 | snowbird | i don't know |
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| 19:33.43 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/alJ1MtIVy |
| 19:33.53 | o2T7 | it seems like it load the dri module there |
| 19:34.01 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: it should be installed as root, and only the locations that the application actually needs to write to should be writable by the user which runs the apache server. |
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| 19:34.29 | fas3r_ | how to change system date .. i have one day more ... not the 08/25/2007 i have 08/26/2007 ... |
| 19:34.32 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: I don't know sitescape at all, so I've no idea what directories those are, but if it's actually worth running, the installation instructions should tell you. If they don't, well, you probably don't want to run it. |
| 19:34.36 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 19:34.36 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:34.41 | azeem | o2T7: that paste doesn't exist |
| 19:34.41 | dondelelcaro | fas3r_: ^^^ |
| 19:34.48 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/es or /etc/X11/xkb/symbols/pc/es I believe |
| 19:34.58 | snowbird | fire wall can block time |
| 19:35.01 | o2T7 | fas3r: man date && man hwclock |
| 19:35.17 | o2T7 | azeem: sorry mistyped it |
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| 19:35.56 | o2T7 | http://nopaste.com/p/alJ1NtIVy |
| 19:36.06 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - they say to change the /home/sitescape to the chown and chgrp commands so that the directories are owned by the same user that installed the apache software. In this case as root - or should I chrgrp them to www-data? |
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| 19:36.36 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: not everything in /home should be owned by www-data |
| 19:36.38 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: perhaps the patch at http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20070731.182333.dc6294aa.en.html would be useful |
| 19:36.50 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: the only thing that should be owned by www-data are the specific files that sitescape needs to write to |
| 19:37.14 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - right - just the /home/sitescape directory is changed. |
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| 19:37.26 | fas3r_ | dondelelcaro: yes i know it's with --set option but i don't understand what i need to write instead of " string" date --set="String" ? |
| 19:37.29 | mo1991 | the instructions had suggested user apache or nobody |
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| 19:37.40 | mo1991 | for debian it seems this would be the www-data user and group |
| 19:37.44 | mo1991 | does this sound right?\ |
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| 19:37.54 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: OK, thanks! |
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| 19:38.37 | dzs | dondelelcaro and Wyzard: thanks a lot! it worked fine after i copied the stages over from /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc :D |
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| 19:38.50 | Wyzard | cool |
| 19:38.55 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: that will be overwritten when you upgrade xkb-data, though |
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| 19:39.05 | dzs | so the next task to study is how to do all this via PXE boot :P |
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| 19:39.50 | dzs | bit sad that the debian wiki misses on a few important points |
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| 19:40.04 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: yes, but maybe developers correct that on next xkb releases; it must be a problem; in etch it dosn't happens |
| 19:40.04 | petemc | its a wiki, fix it |
| 19:40.09 | dondelelcaro | dzs: well, time to fix it then. |
| 19:40.22 | Wyzard | dzs: AFAIK, PXE is for booting from the network on a diskless machine |
| 19:40.26 | dzs | non DD can do that? |
| 19:40.42 | dzs | Wyzard: yes. i wanna try out all possible installation situations |
| 19:41.22 | Wyzard | dzs: but your machine has its OS on the local disk, not on a remote server somewhere |
| 19:41.41 | Wyzard | dzs: or are you talking about booting other machines using this one as a server? |
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| 19:41.43 | dzs | Wyzard: i have some other machines :) |
| 19:41.54 | Wyzard | ok |
| 19:42.18 | dzs | i need an NFS server to be accessed via tftp, thats what i know so far |
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| 19:42.56 | Wyzard | dzs: bootp for giving the client its IP address, tftp for the client to download the kernel and initrd, and NFS for that kernel to mount its root filesystem |
| 19:43.02 | dzs | but i think i schedule that for tomorrow when i had enough sleep |
| 19:43.18 | Wyzard | dzs: The NFS server and tftp server don't actually have to be on the same machine; they're independent of each other |
| 19:43.28 | dondelelcaro | dzs: yes, anyone can fix the wiki. |
| 19:43.30 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: What I would recommend (it's much cleaner than that patch) is copying the "nodeadkeys" section and naming the new copy cat_nodeadkeys, then changing the include to "es(cat)" instead of "es(basic)" |
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| 19:43.37 | dzs | dondelelcaro: cool :) |
| 19:43.52 | dondelelcaro | if only DDs could do it, very little would be there. |
| 19:43.58 | dzs | Wyzard: do you work in a datacenter or something that you know these things? :) |
| 19:44.06 | dzs | dondelelcaro: haha :P |
| 19:44.06 | \amethyst | Iradigalesc: Perhaps add a local diversion so it won't get replaced in the next version of xkb-data |
| 19:44.11 | Iradigalesc | \amethyst: Yes; it's a good idea |
| 19:44.14 | Iradigalesc | :) |
| 19:44.15 | Wyzard | dzs: nah, I just read a lot of miscellaneous documentation |
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| 19:44.20 | LePasPsy62 | hi |
| 19:44.25 | Wyzard | dzs: I've never actually set up PXE booting |
| 19:44.35 | dzs | Wyzard: some GNU docs scare me. like the GRUB one |
| 19:44.41 | LePasPsy62 | i have a problem with my kernel 2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 |
| 19:45.18 | LePasPsy62 | if i install qemu+kqemu the system reset, i install virtual box i have Bad EIP value |
| 19:45.32 | LePasPsy62 | when i install vmware, it's the same |
| 19:45.42 | NiCeBoY | asg sorry for disturbing you again.. i want to know which user is running apache2 "nobody", "apache" or "www" etc... is there a way to find out please? |
| 19:45.47 | LePasPsy62 | i see on http://www.mailarchives.org/list/debian-kernel/msg/2007/02042 |
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| 19:45.49 | Wyzard | ...qemu inside a vserver inside Xen? |
| 19:45.59 | Wyzard | LePasPsy62: You have three layers of virtual machines there :-) |
| 19:46.09 | jelly-home | Wyzard: a kernel capable of all four, more likely |
| 19:46.17 | LePasPsy62 | Wyzard i have a kernel with xen to linux, and i want to install windows |
| 19:46.31 | dondelelcaro | dzs: the grub docs are actually pretty good, all things considered |
| 19:46.46 | Wyzard | LePasPsy62: Anyway, kqemu and vmware both rely on special drivers in the kernel, and I wouldn't be surprised if those drivers conflict with the Xen and/or vserver kernel stuff |
| 19:47.08 | jelly-home | Wyzard: vbox does have its own module too. |
| 19:47.15 | NiCeBoY | dondelelcaro can you help me out please? i want to know which user is running apache2 "nobody", "apache" or "www" etc... is there a way to find out please? |
| 19:47.16 | dzs | dondelelcaro: it requires a lot of indepth knowledge to make sense. and if i read a document and have to look up too many things i run |
| 19:47.20 | LePasPsy62 | Wyzard ok, but it run well with qemu but not with kqemu |
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| 19:47.37 | azeem | NiCeBoY: don't ask people, ask the channel |
| 19:47.42 | Wyzard | LePasPsy62: That's because qemu is entirely userspace and doesn't depend on any special support in the kernel |
| 19:47.45 | NiCeBoY | ok azeem sorry :( |
| 19:47.55 | dondelelcaro | NiCeBoY: it'll be www-data, but ps axfu|grep apache; will tell you. |
| 19:47.58 | Wyzard | LePasPsy62: kqemu is the kernel-based accelerator for qemu |
| 19:48.09 | LePasPsy62 | Wyzard ok i see, if i want to use virtual linux and windows, i must use simply kernel |
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| 19:48.26 | Wyzard | LePasPsy62: Do you need both Xen and vserver? |
| 19:48.27 | NiCeBoY | ok dondelelcaro thanks a lot man.. its www-data :) |
| 19:48.48 | LePasPsy62 | Wyzard i need for the test, migrate Oracle in Windows to Linux |
| 19:49.23 | LePasPsy62 | Wyzard and test RAC (Real Application Cluster) for Oracle |
| 19:49.47 | jelly-home | LePasPsy62: so concentrate on one virtual machine solution only, eg. install both windows and linux v.machines in, say, virtualbox. or vmware. |
| 19:49.56 | [sr] | people |
| 19:50.07 | LePasPsy62 | jelly-home ok, i see |
| 19:50.07 | Wyzard | LePasPsy62: I don't know much about Oracle's requirements, but if you're not doing mass virtual hosting for lots of customers on this box, you probably don't need both Xen *and* vserver |
| 19:50.14 | [sr] | is anyone having problem with the latest package os postfix and sasl on sid? |
| 19:50.18 | [sr] | with smtp auth? |
| 19:50.20 | Wyzard | LePasPsy62: Try using a regular kernel, or a Xen-only kernel, or a vserver-only kernel |
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| 19:50.41 | LePasPsy62 | Wyzard ok i try to test it, thanks |
| 19:51.09 | LePasPsy62 | Wyzard jelly-home there is an application as xen for linux and windows less VT processor |
| 19:51.38 | jelly-home | LePasPsy62: you CPU doesn't have vt capabilities? |
| 19:51.49 | LePasPsy62 | jelly-home not VT :o( |
| 19:52.06 | LePasPsy62 | jelly-home there opteron 265 |
| 19:52.48 | jelly-home | LePasPsy62: does it have AMD's version? svm |
| 19:53.09 | linux2 | anyone here know how I can place 5 dvd-iso files together into one dvd iso file? |
| 19:53.10 | Wyzard | LePasPsy62: Xen doesn't need VT for running Linux... it needs it for running Windows, but you have VMware for that |
| 19:53.12 | LePasPsy62 | jelly-home yes amd |
| 19:53.21 | jelly-home | LePasPsy62: at least it's shown as svm in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 19:53.36 | LePasPsy62 | Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 26 |
| 19:54.04 | jelly-home | LePasPsy62: grep svm /proc/cpuinfo --> does it show anything? |
| 19:54.17 | LePasPsy62 | jelly-home none |
| 19:54.27 | jelly-home | LePasPsy62: I'd go with vmware then |
| 19:54.35 | jelly-home | simplest to make it work |
| 19:54.39 | LePasPsy62 | jelly-home Wyzard ok thanks for all |
| 19:55.14 | LePasPsy62 | i reboot |
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| 19:56.03 | \amethyst | it's really useful for diffs, but it's automatically set in diff mode |
| 19:56.04 | \amethyst | doh |
| 19:56.24 | petemc | some companies disable vt support in the bios |
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| 19:57.12 | waspius | hi..which is the device dg0? |
| 19:58.24 | lordrich | waspius: google suggests it's a scanner device |
| 19:58.43 | lordrich | or possibly some other scsi device |
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| 19:59.21 | waspius | lordrich: oh ok thanx..because when i start nero it tells me the permissions on it are not correct:S |
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| 19:59.34 | jelly-home | petemc: my machine showed svm in the flags, but kernel paniced on trying to enable it until it was also enabled in bios |
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| 19:59.55 | waspius | lordrich: and i have no devices connected to it except my hard drive and a dvdr |
| 20:00.01 | petemc | jelly-home: ah, so the flag shows up anyway? |
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| 20:00.22 | lordrich | in that case it may be scsi emulation for your dvdr |
| 20:00.23 | jelly-home | petemc: at least on amds it does |
| 20:00.27 | mo1991 | what is the default directory apache is insalled to in etch? |
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| 20:01.32 | mo1991 | what I mean is where is the apache conf diretory |
| 20:01.46 | jelly-home | mo1991: /etc/apache2 |
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| 20:02.15 | jelly-home | mo1991: use dpkg -L package-name to see the contents of installed packages |
| 20:02.29 | linux2 | anyone here know how I can place 5 dvd-iso files together into one dvd iso file? |
| 20:02.51 | mo1991 | jelly-home I am installing sitescape and it says to add something to the httpd.conf file |
| 20:02.55 | mo1991 | I don't see that filee |
| 20:03.16 | mo1991 | never mind I do |
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| 20:04.41 | jelly-home | mo1991: read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian |
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| 20:11.59 | moshii | linux2: extract the content and use mkisofs to build a new iso |
| 20:12.37 | ghostrider | #/usr/sbin/alsactl store /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1280: Cannot open /var/lib/alsa/asound.state for writing: Permission denied |
| 20:12.43 | linux2 | moshii: o ok. i didn't think of doing it that way. i just did 'cat *.iso > complete.iso |
| 20:13.19 | moshii | linux2: So it was parts of an iso? otherwise that does nothing but make a mess |
| 20:13.31 | ghostrider | i can't save my alsamixer configuration |
| 20:13.36 | linux2 | yeah it was parts of an iso |
| 20:13.52 | \amethyst | ghostrider: and you're root? |
| 20:14.00 | ghostrider | no |
| 20:14.01 | moshii | linux2: cat is what you wanted then :) |
| 20:14.34 | linux2 | moshii: well at least i hope it was parts of an iso. it appears to be burning ok. so heres hoping it works |
| 20:14.38 | topo | hi, i can't understand the sintaxis for the mount point in the cdrom URI of sources.list, I look in the apt.conf manual |
| 20:14.52 | linux2 | moshii: im trying to burn a solaris install dvd |
| 20:14.57 | topo | can someone explain it? |
| 20:15.08 | linux2 | moshii: although i wish i could run linux on my sparc system but i can't :-( |
| 20:15.09 | \amethyst | ghostrider: only root is supposed to be able to do that |
| 20:15.16 | moshii | linux2: if it wasn't it'll burn ok, you just won't see any of the data after iso 1 |
| 20:15.49 | moshii | linux2: linux is crap on sparcs, netbsd is better than both linux and solaris on sparcs |
| 20:15.52 | topo | please sorry my english :-) |
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| 20:16.09 | linux2 | moshii: i kinda wish linux was better on sparcs. i kinda like them more than intel |
| 20:16.24 | ghostrider | i have do it with root permission but the next reboot the audio is set to mute |
| 20:16.25 | linux2 | moshii: although mine is an ultrasparc so even more of a pain in the ass to get linux running on |
| 20:16.44 | \amethyst | topo: did you look at the apt-cdrom man page? |
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| 20:17.03 | biatche | $BIN_TC qdisc add dev $PC_DEV parent 2:1 handle 3: sfq perturb 9 <-- What does "handle" and "perturb" 'value' take care of? |
| 20:17.04 | moshii | linux2: oh, linux ain't as bad on 64bit sparcs |
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| 20:17.18 | linux2 | moshii: i cannot seem to find an install cd for it |
| 20:17.19 | moshii | linux2: debian will run pretty happy on an ultra 1 IIRC |
| 20:17.31 | linux2 | moshii: mine is an ultrasparcII e |
| 20:17.33 | linux2 | i believe |
| 20:17.47 | linux2 | moshii: i cannot get debian install to boot off of it |
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| 20:17.52 | \amethyst | topo: the mount point is just the place where the CDROM is mounted, usually something like /media/cdrom |
| 20:17.56 | linux2 | it just stops at booting linux.... |
| 20:18.00 | moshii | linux2: what box is it? |
| 20:18.15 | linux2 | sunblade 100 |
| 20:18.31 | topo | \amethyst, yes i mount the dvd with apt-cdrom -d=/media/cdrom1 but aptitude search in /cdrom |
| 20:18.46 | moshii | linux2: maybe it's one of the boards that won't work.. |
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| 20:19.03 | \amethyst | topo: did you maybe have an old entry for /cdrom in your sources.list? |
| 20:19.08 | linux2 | moshii: i did some research and didn't see anything bad about the board |
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| 20:19.25 | linux2 | moshii: if solaris doesn't boot then i at least know its not linux that is the problem |
| 20:19.26 | \amethyst | topo: and did you do aptitude update ? |
| 20:19.38 | topo | \amethyst, no, i erase the entry before |
| 20:19.50 | \amethyst | topo: try aptitude update then |
| 20:20.03 | moshii | linux2: you can do a hardware test from firmware |
| 20:20.05 | topo | \amethyst, ok aptitude uptade missing... |
| 20:20.15 | linux2 | moshii: if only i knew how |
| 20:20.20 | linux2 | moshii: this is my first sparc system |
| 20:20.50 | moshii | linux2: what does it spit out when it boots? it should tell you what firmware it's running |
| 20:21.07 | topo | \amethyst, still not working... |
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| 20:21.45 | topo | \amethyst, only work if i link /media/cdrom1 to /media/cdrom |
| 20:21.46 | linux2 | moshii: it says openboot 4.3 |
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| 20:21.58 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - I have installed sitescape forum and to get to the forum I go to the http://localhost/forum/something.cgi - Apache does not appear to be handeleing the cgi file as it should though cause it just asks me if I want to download it while it should be executing? |
| 20:22.03 | dutchfish | \amethyst, shoudnt the syntax be: deb cdrom:[foo_name_cdrom]/ etch contrib main ? |
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| 20:22.08 | bpun | jo |
| 20:22.31 | bpun | hi |
| 20:22.53 | moshii | linux2: google for openboot reference, there are loads of pages that'll be able to help, and so stuff like change the mac address to C0:FF:EE ^^ |
| 20:24.47 | [sr] | nobody liked me ( |
| 20:24.48 | [sr] | :( |
| 20:25.03 | moshii | not even your mother? |
| 20:25.14 | [sr] | depends on the day |
| 20:25.14 | [sr] | :P |
| 20:25.22 | Scurz | hi |
| 20:25.34 | mo1991 | jelly-home do I have to install something to get apache to handle cgi scripts? |
| 20:25.36 | topo | dutchfish, not work |
| 20:26.07 | jelly-home | mo1991: I'm away, ask the channel (and no, I don't think so) |
| 20:26.30 | mo1991 | can anyone help me to getting cgi scirpts to work properly in apache? |
| 20:26.37 | Scurz | How to put a password to the archive .tar.gz? |
| 20:26.41 | mo1991 | AddHandler cgi-script .cgi |
| 20:26.42 | mo1991 | AddType application/x-http-cgi .cgi |
| 20:26.49 | mo1991 | these are what I added to httpd.conf |
| 20:26.51 | dutchfish | topo, what eror? |
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| 20:27.06 | [sr] | so |
| 20:27.07 | \amethyst | Scurz: tar doesn't have built-in encryption, but you can encrypt the resulting file |
| 20:27.12 | mo1991 | when I go to the cgi file in my web browser it just asks to download it |
| 20:27.13 | moshii | Scurz: run it through gpg and secure it properly? |
| 20:27.16 | [sr] | nobody has problems with latest postfix/sasl packages? |
| 20:27.24 | Scurz | \amethyst: ok |
| 20:27.33 | Scurz | moshii: why not... |
| 20:27.39 | solitude| | I have a Sarge 3.1r5 system with a 2.4 kernel. I need to upgrade to a 2.4 SMP kernel. can anyone link me to a good doc on doing so? |
| 20:28.03 | \amethyst | Scurz: aespipe < file.tar.gz > file.tar.gz.aes, type a passphrase. To decrypt, aespipe -d < file.tar.gz.aes > file.tar.gz (and type the passphrase) |
| 20:28.10 | moshii | Scurz: Why not.. hmm you have to generate keys etc, but it's worth the effort |
| 20:28.28 | Scurz | okay, thanks |
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| 20:29.19 | solitude| | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 20:29.26 | solitude| | is my current kernel |
| 20:30.03 | moshii | solitude|: install an SMP kernel via apt |
| 20:30.05 | \amethyst | solitude|: Intel or AMD? |
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| 20:30.39 | mesof | and has there been any resolution to the weird font rendering in iceweasel |
| 20:30.45 | solitude| | intel, dual pentium 3 xeon 550mhz 1mb l2 cache |
| 20:30.57 | \amethyst | mesof: what do you mean by "weird font rendering"? screenshot? |
| 20:31.03 | topo | dutchfish, can't read /var/lib/apt/lists/_media_cdrom1: ... |
| 20:31.10 | mesof | how do i take a screenshot by command line? |
| 20:31.11 | moshii | i686 smp kernel then |
| 20:31.25 | mesof | \amethyst: basically it's not displaying properly |
| 20:31.39 | \amethyst | mesof: that is not helpful at all |
| 20:31.57 | jelly-home | solitude|: install kernel-image-2.4-686-smp, that ought to do the trick |
| 20:32.02 | solitude| | I need to stick with a 2.4 kernel, my hardware isnt competible with a 2.6 one. |
| 20:32.05 | dutchfish | topo, is the cdrom a correct 1? |
| 20:32.09 | solitude| | ah, thanks jelly |
| 20:32.11 | solitude| | with apt? |
| 20:32.15 | mesof | like if you've ever scrolled the scrollbar and gone back to that position, and it looks chopped |
| 20:32.16 | solitude| | or do i need to wget it and compile |
| 20:32.27 | jelly-home | solitude|: use apt |
| 20:32.29 | mesof | \amethyst: not helpful! people are having this problem everywhere |
| 20:32.39 | solitude| | ok, thanks :) |
| 20:32.48 | bpun | solitude|, you were probably trying to use 2.6-i386 |
| 20:32.56 | mesof | \amethyst: people saying i can't describe it properly is them really saying, "no we don't have a solution" |
| 20:33.02 | topo | dutchfish, yes, if i link the dvd to /media/cdrom work ok |
| 20:33.18 | jelly-home | solitude|: you have any particularly weird hardware? 2.6 ought to be able to run on P3. |
| 20:33.33 | \amethyst | mesof: I've not seen the problem, so just "not displaying properly" is not descriptive at all. Your sentence involving scrolling was descriptive, though |
| 20:33.48 | \amethyst | mesof: is this etch, lenny, sid? |
| 20:33.53 | mesof | sid |
| 20:34.07 | solitude| | jelly, yeah, lots of weird hardwarte |
| 20:34.15 | solitude| | its a dell precision 610 :/ |
| 20:34.27 | dembug | hmm |
| 20:34.30 | solitude| | has scsi, old raid and a few other archaic bits and pieces |
| 20:34.31 | dembug | i've had dell p3's run 2.6 |
| 20:34.32 | mesof | i have a hard time desribing it as most people do, but it looks as if something went wrong in the driven when rendering the image and it output incorrectly |
| 20:34.34 | dutchfish | topo, and does your cdom's repo match your curent version of os? |
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| 20:34.42 | solitude| | this is a very very special machine |
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| 20:34.50 | Spida | if "m-a build lirc" fails with "linux/config.h: No such file or directory", what did I forget? |
| 20:34.52 | mesof | someone posted about it on debian forums |
| 20:34.54 | luigi_v | greetings |
| 20:34.55 | solitude| | if you upgrade to 2.6, or etch, it fails silently |
| 20:35.03 | \amethyst | mesof: what versions of iceweasel, libpango1.0-0, libxft2, and libfreetype6 ? |
| 20:35.06 | azeem | Spida: m-a prepare? |
| 20:35.08 | jelly-home | solitude|: sweet. (not) |
| 20:35.08 | dvs | Spida: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:35.12 | mortan | hey guys, i need some help. why the heck does apt-get remove --purge mysql-server REINSTALL a corrupted mysql-server? |
| 20:35.17 | \amethyst | mesof: also, what X driver? |
| 20:35.20 | mesof | i'm using the nvidia driver, but i don't believe any option in xorg.conf will fix this |
| 20:35.20 | solitude| | heh, i spent 2 WEEKS trying to install etch |
| 20:35.27 | dembug | heh |
| 20:35.28 | solitude| | then got a sarge netinstal and got it working in 30 min |
| 20:35.32 | dembug | some of my hardware didnt like etch |
| 20:35.32 | thechef | apps using xine don't play ogg files on my debian etch installation anymore. I don't know what changed. |
| 20:35.35 | dembug | but ran sarge |
| 20:35.38 | dembug | ;> |
| 20:35.48 | dembug | id imagine the problem isnt "just" the kernel but modules |
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| 20:35.50 | Spida | azeem: no, did that |
| 20:35.56 | solitude| | heh, yeah |
| 20:35.58 | mesof | i don't believe it to be antialiasing |
| 20:36.01 | mesof | although it might be |
| 20:36.06 | dembug | trying a different distro with 2.6 will probably work too solid_liquid |
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| 20:36.10 | dembug | *solitude| |
| 20:36.13 | solitude| | i tried it with noaic7xxx and few others, but with no luck |
| 20:36.37 | solitude| | nope! |
| 20:36.41 | mortan | aghr, anyone? |
| 20:36.41 | solitude| | i tried :) |
| 20:36.43 | Spida | dvs: I have kernel-headers, but not for the exact kernel-revision I am using (built my own from vanilla-2.6.22) |
| 20:36.46 | dembug | humm |
| 20:36.51 | solitude| | actually, yes and no |
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| 20:36.57 | solitude| | i tried, but all were with debian basedd distros |
| 20:36.59 | azeem | Spida: so it's your job to get them in place |
| 20:37.02 | solitude| | ubuntu etc |
| 20:37.02 | jelly-home | solitude|: some things to look for: changed driver name for megaraid. acpi may be broken on old P2/P3 motherboards |
| 20:37.10 | mesof | but yet it even happens to like gtk apps' button's |
| 20:37.11 | kemistor | i have a question. why do i get root access to certain apps in the Administration? |
| 20:37.12 | topo | dutchfish, yes debian etch official |
| 20:37.12 | solitude| | i used noapic noacpi too |
| 20:37.26 | solitude| | i tried *every* kernel option in all sensible combinations |
| 20:37.35 | mesof | sorry to be so tempermental about it, but it's been bugging me for some time |
| 20:37.38 | dutchfish | topo, i am out of clues ... |
| 20:37.42 | Spida | azeem: to get what where? |
| 20:37.50 | solitude| | in the end, i gave up :) |
| 20:37.56 | topo | dutchfish, ok no problem |
| 20:37.57 | azeem | Spida: from your build tree |
| 20:38.01 | dutchfish | topo, normally this shoud work |
| 20:38.10 | solitude| | ill deal with itwhen sarge isnt oatched anymore |
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| 20:38.20 | bpun | solitude|, so where does it fail? |
| 20:38.26 | moshii | solitude|: when running 2.6 how does it die? a lot of time the framebuffer breaks but the machine is running in my experience |
| 20:38.31 | solitude| | after loading vmlinuz |
| 20:38.36 | solitude| | (if i use lilo) |
| 20:38.41 | solitude| | (if i use grub, it fails on grub) |
| 20:38.47 | bpun | solitude|, what is the quoted err message? |
| 20:38.51 | solitude| | no errors |
| 20:38.53 | solitude| | just hangs |
| 20:38.55 | topo | dutchfish, i think that i write the wrong sintax in source.list, that because i cant understand the sintax in the apt.conf manual |
| 20:38.59 | mortan | apt-get remove --purge debian* |
| 20:39.08 | bpun | solitude|, is your drive scsi? |
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| 20:39.12 | solitude| | the cdrom i |
| 20:39.14 | solitude| | is* |
| 20:39.16 | moshii | solitude|: mmm before the kernel starts.. would be nice to get some serial output |
| 20:39.16 | solitude| | the hdd is ide |
| 20:39.19 | dutchfish | topo, can you paste it to paste-bin? |
| 20:39.20 | dvs | topo: so paste it on pastebin.ca |
| 20:39.29 | solitude| | moshii, thats beyond me :s |
| 20:39.32 | topo | ok |
| 20:39.45 | solitude| | this machine is weird |
| 20:39.55 | Codenut | whois topo |
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| 20:39.58 | mesof | maybe it's an iceweasel config setting? |
| 20:39.59 | solitude| | it has 2 ide channels, but only EVER recognises a device if its the only one connected |
| 20:40.05 | bpun | solitude|, if it doesn't work, try turning off things in the bios (wild guessing) |
| 20:40.07 | mesof | no, because it happens to apps as well |
| 20:40.11 | jelly-home | solitude|: which boot manager do you use now? |
| 20:40.16 | solitude| | (master/slave is all right, but it just ignores them) |
| 20:40.17 | solitude| | Lilo |
| 20:40.19 | moshii | solitude|: that could be the drive |
| 20:40.30 | \amethyst | mesof: gnome apps or other ones as well? |
| 20:40.32 | solitude| | bpun, i diabled acpi etc in the bios to no luck |
| 20:40.33 | ghostrider | nessuno che si sa spiegare quel problemino? |
| 20:40.35 | moshii | solitude|: some devices ignore master/slave and take over the bus |
| 20:40.40 | mesof | \amethyst: gnome apps as far as i've seen |
| 20:40.42 | jelly-home | solitude|: make sure you have an entry for the old kernel too before rebooting, just in case. |
| 20:40.42 | solitude| | moshii, i tried with 4 different HDD |
| 20:40.54 | \amethyst | mesof: what version of libpango1.0-0 ? |
| 20:40.56 | moshii | solitude|: weird hardware then :P |
| 20:41.02 | bpun | solitude|, is it daisy chained? |
| 20:41.04 | mesof | how do i find out |
| 20:41.07 | mesof | grep libpango? |
| 20:41.09 | solitude| | bpun, no |
| 20:41.19 | solitude| | jelly, i idnt have an entry, but it booted fine |
| 20:41.19 | solitude| | Lucy:~# uname -r |
| 20:41.20 | solitude| | 2.4.27-3-686-smp |
| 20:41.23 | solitude| | thanks :D |
| 20:41.33 | ghostrider | opps i have confused the international chan with the italian chan |
| 20:41.33 | \amethyst | mesof: dpkg -l libpango1.0-0 |
| 20:41.34 | jelly-home | solitude|: pure luck! :-) |
| 20:41.35 | solitude| | upgrading kernel in debian is less work than i anticipated |
| 20:41.39 | moshii | solitude|: would be nice to get 2.6 runnig though :) |
| 20:41.47 | dutler | hi ya'll: i dont want to sound like im asking to ask, but thats what im doing. I dont need help with debian (not this time), but with tomcat. the tomcat channel has been "slow" for several days and Im just getting more and more confused with my research. can anyone feild a "deploy tomcat application the automatically starts" question? |
| 20:41.47 | solitude| | i normally have to compile it all from source ¬_¬ |
| 20:42.00 | qrck | is there a way tto get some sourceforge packages under control of package manager ? |
| 20:42.05 | bpun | solitude|, so you've tried booting from kernel 2.6 without using apt tool? |
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| 20:42.11 | moshii | solitude|: debian also has nice tools for compiling kernels ^^ |
| 20:42.13 | \amethyst | qrck: checkinstall might be useful |
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| 20:42.16 | solitude| | moshii, yeah, it would :| |
| 20:42.26 | qrck | oh thank you \amethyst |
| 20:42.30 | solitude| | bpun, what do you mean? do you mean from anon-debian distro? |
| 20:42.41 | topo | dutchfish, dvs, http://pastebin.com/mb22b9c0 |
| 20:42.44 | mesof | 1.16.5-1, \amethyst |
| 20:42.51 | bpun | solitude|, did you try debian kernel 2.6 with apt? |
| 20:42.57 | solitude| | bpun, yes |
| 20:43.01 | Codenut | does anyone know the beginners channel name for this freenode. |
| 20:43.07 | solitude| | i upgraded fro, .4 sarge to 2.6 etch |
| 20:43.10 | solitude| | and got the same fails |
| 20:43.12 | dvs | topo: comment out the first line |
| 20:43.23 | \amethyst | mesof: hmm, same version as me |
| 20:43.31 | bpun | solitude|, so it boots now? |
| 20:43.37 | moshii | solitude|: have you got anything that could be setting the video mode in lilo/grub? |
| 20:43.45 | solitude| | no, definitely not |
| 20:43.47 | solitude| | i checked that :) |
| 20:44.03 | mesof | \amethyst: but you don't have the problem? |
| 20:44.06 | topo | dvs, but i still want to use the dvd |
| 20:44.07 | mesof | it doesn't always occur |
| 20:44.11 | mesof | only sometimes |
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| 20:44.16 | bpun | solitude|, did you apt the intel microcode? |
| 20:44.19 | \amethyst | mesof: I've not seen it at all |
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| 20:44.26 | kemistor | why do i have root access? |
| 20:44.28 | dvs | topo: why? the website is more up to date. |
| 20:44.32 | solitude| | bpun, no, was i supposed to? |
| 20:44.44 | stoned | solitude|: kesa hai? |
| 20:44.45 | mesof | \amethyst it's so annoying |
| 20:44.45 | bpun | solitude|, ok.. you don't need to.. |
| 20:45.05 | mesof | it's never happened with an xterm or anything |
| 20:45.17 | jelly-home | solitude|: just for fun, can you use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to report your hardware, [check] it, then [report] it to register your setup in the database so interested folks here can check it out? |
| 20:45.25 | dutchfish | topo, i pasted mine have a look at it |
| 20:45.27 | topo | dvs, i dont want to dowload 2 time |
| 20:45.28 | \amethyst | mesof: what about gnome-terminal? |
| 20:45.51 | \amethyst | mesof: It sounds like some kind of problem with pango, or possibly freetype |
| 20:46.04 | mesof | related to gnome though, not the application |
| 20:46.09 | stoned | man i just took apart my entire pc |
| 20:46.11 | dvs | topo: You won't download it two times. Only the packages that have updates will be updated. |
| 20:46.14 | stoned | too much dust |
| 20:46.23 | stoned | I cleaned it out and now debian runs twice as fast |
| 20:46.27 | stoned | ;) |
| 20:46.27 | dvs | *cough* *cough* |
| 20:46.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:46.32 | mesof | stoned: lol |
| 20:46.38 | mesof | stoned: feels good doesn't it? |
| 20:46.43 | stoned | i cleaned it out |
| 20:46.43 | topo | dvs, for packages not installed |
| 20:46.50 | stoned | the heatsink was loose and my temp was going up |
| 20:46.53 | stoned | so i had to re seat it |
| 20:46.58 | topo | dvs, that not allways true |
| 20:47.00 | jelly-home | stoned: chugs less gasoline too, huh? |
| 20:47.03 | Papiertiger | Hi@all i got no letters in the installer of Wolfenstein:ET, it looks like gtk1. Any idea whats wrong? |
| 20:47.09 | stoned | I found out, i have no more thermal paste, and the one on the cpu was completely nasty and dusty |
| 20:47.13 | mesof | i would like to add a term to dpkg, called, TMC, meaning TOO MUCH CODE, !TMC |
| 20:47.16 | stoned | now I'm making do without thermal paste |
| 20:47.20 | dvs | topo: well, that's where I think the problem is and if you don't want to change it that's your business. |
| 20:47.30 | stoned | I'm at 60C right now on a core 2 |
| 20:47.31 | jelly-home | stoned: how fast does it go from 0 to xdm login screen? |
| 20:47.37 | stoned | I can't get thermal paste until tomorrow from work |
| 20:47.48 | dvs | lol |
| 20:47.50 | alex___ | stoned: use spit |
| 20:47.53 | alex___ | stoned: it works.\ |
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| 20:48.13 | moshii | stoned: you don't need paste if the proc and sink have decent contact |
| 20:48.14 | \amethyst | mesof: does this happen with all fonts, or only certain ones? |
| 20:48.17 | topo | dvs, thanks anyway |
| 20:48.21 | stoned | jelly-home: on a stripped kernel, it used to do 15 seconds from post to kdm, around 12sec from grub to kdm |
| 20:48.25 | pipeline_ | Papiertiger: the installer is statically linked, so whatever's wrong probably has nothing to do with us. |
| 20:48.38 | mesof | \amethyst: it even happens to buttons, like button images, such as back and forward in iceweasel |
| 20:48.39 | \amethyst | mesof: if you want to teach dpkg something, /msg dpkg TMC is TOO MUCH CODE . Don't abuse |
| 20:48.39 | stoned | moshii: core 2 duo e6300 running at 60C |
| 20:48.46 | stoned | moshii: its hot man, you need good paste |
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| 20:49.03 | topo | dutchfish, what url ? |
| 20:49.11 | mesof | !tmc |
| 20:49.11 | dpkg | tmc is probably TOO MUCH CODE!!! |
| 20:49.21 | dutchfish | topo, ? |
| 20:49.25 | ruben | Hi, using urxvt, what is the way to disable bold colors? I can't read blue directories :(, any idea? |
| 20:49.29 | topo | dutchfish, i mistake |
| 20:49.31 | alex___ | stoned: 60c is not that ba |
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| 20:49.38 | dutchfish | topo, http://pastebin.com/m4a0c4d12 |
| 20:49.39 | moshii | stoned: the 040 was hotter |
| 20:49.40 | Papiertiger | pipeline_: i rember to have the problem some time ago on my old debian installation and i solved it but can't remember how :/ |
| 20:49.42 | alex___ | stoned: 60c is not that bad - when it gets to 70c start to worry |
| 20:49.50 | stoned | but its a core 2 duo |
| 20:49.55 | stoned | they are not supposed to go that high |
| 20:50.14 | stoned | when i put the system together last year it used to run 35-40C tops under full load |
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| 20:50.19 | alex___ | stoned: mine is a e6600- on passive cooling, and it moves around 50c to 62c easy |
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| 20:50.29 | \amethyst | ruben: do you mean you want bold text to be bold, but the same colour as the equivalent non-bold text? |
| 20:50.30 | stoned | alex___: did you overclock it? |
| 20:50.32 | asarch | What is the microphone device? |
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| 20:50.37 | topo | dutchfish, your source.list is like mine and is working ok but need to link /media/cdrom1 to /media/cdrom |
| 20:50.47 | alex___ | stoned: nope, on passive cooling with a ninja scythe |
| 20:50.54 | stoned | alex___: my e6300 is @ 3500MHz right now, and at 55-60C with no thermal paste |
| 20:51.04 | mesof | alex___: ninja what? |
| 20:51.07 | pipeline_ | stoned: don't every worry... the temperatures are a lie anyway. |
| 20:51.12 | mesof | alex___: what is this ninja thing you speak of? |
| 20:51.14 | stoned | alex___: I have arctic freezer 7 pro |
| 20:51.16 | stoned | pipeline_: ? |
| 20:51.20 | pipeline_ | stoned: The thermistors are totally uncalibrated, the numbers don't mean shit, even relative to each other. |
| 20:51.29 | stoned | pipeline_: you for real? |
| 20:51.32 | pipeline_ | stoned: Yes. |
| 20:51.36 | stoned | no seriously? |
| 20:51.38 | alex___ | stoned: http://radekhulan.cz/img/chladice-cpu/instalace-scythe.jpg |
| 20:51.40 | pipeline_ | stoned: Yes. |
| 20:51.40 | stoned | are you fucking with me man? |
| 20:51.44 | pipeline_ | stoned: No. |
| 20:51.48 | stoned | pipeline_: damn. |
| 20:51.59 | stoned | pipeline_: so why is that? |
| 20:52.02 | ruben | \amethyst: well, for example, if I launch xterm blue dir colors are fine, using urxvt blue dir colors are different, 'high intesity' so I can't read it, I only want to change the dir colors thinking that urxvt use bold instead |
| 20:52.03 | pipeline_ | stoned: Every little PC kiddie is freaked out and way, way, way over-concerned about numbers that don't mean shit. |
| 20:52.13 | dutchfish | topo, yes |
| 20:52.18 | stoned | pipeline_: I just don't want to blow up my pc |
| 20:52.21 | pipeline_ | stoned: Because it would be expensive to put calibrated instruments underneath a processor when an uncalibrated fudge one would be fine. |
| 20:52.24 | moshii | pipeline_: at least the intel ones are internal and not randomly placed around the cpus general area |
| 20:52.25 | \amethyst | ruben: Ah, so you want them to be brighter, but not really a bold font? |
| 20:52.29 | pipeline_ | stoned: total non issue. The CPU will take care of itself just fine. |
| 20:52.36 | pipeline_ | stoned: In the worst case scenario, it'll crash :) |
| 20:52.52 | ruben | \amethyst: yes, I don't want to use bold, I use this line |
| 20:52.59 | ruben | urxvt +sb -bg black -fg white -fn 'xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=15' +ls +ptab -bc -uc -pr cyan -sl 1000 -is |
| 20:52.59 | pipeline_ | moshii: I don't care where they're placed as long as the CPU crashes itself instead of burning when the time comes. And they always do. |
| 20:53.13 | pipeline_ | stoned: Intel CPUs will even throttle themselves, so that in the event of catastrophic cooling failure they just slow down instead of halting. |
| 20:53.15 | mesof | \amethyst: what wm or de do you run? |
| 20:53.24 | stoned | pipeline_: take care of itself? I have all thermal and cpu auto throttling/vcore/fsb settings to manul |
| 20:53.25 | moshii | pipeline_: I can remember videos of athlons exploding.. |
| 20:53.33 | stoned | pipeline_: everything is manual, and highly overclocked |
| 20:53.34 | pipeline_ | moshii: That's from the distant past :P |
| 20:53.42 | stoned | pipeline_: 1866MHz to 3500MHz |
| 20:53.43 | \amethyst | ruben: use -fb 'xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=15' too |
| 20:53.51 | pipeline_ | stoned: Overclocking is tripe. And, even in that situation, things will crash before they burn. No worries. |
| 20:53.51 | topo | dutchfish, the problem is how to sintax the source.list to mount /media/cdrom1 (in apt.conf manual is but i can't understand) |
| 20:53.57 | stoned | tripe? |
| 20:53.57 | alex___ | stoned: why are you complaining here, underclock and wait for thermal paste for crying out loud |
| 20:53.58 | stoned | how come? |
| 20:54.10 | pipeline_ | stoned: They're designed not to burn up? |
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| 20:54.14 | stoned | I am not crying |
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| 20:54.33 | \amethyst | mesof: I use gnome with sawfish as my wm |
| 20:54.34 | solitude| | I can haz SMP. :) |
| 20:54.37 | stoned | I am discussing the non calibrtion of thermistors and diodes thermal reader things on chips |
| 20:54.40 | moshii | stoned: if you can get the top of the core and the bottom of the sink perfectly flat it'll be better than having paste ;) |
| 20:54.41 | stoned | shut up |
| 20:54.44 | dembug | LOL solitude| |
| 20:54.55 | stoned | solitude|: you are from dalnet? |
| 20:54.59 | \amethyst | mesof: I use some of gnome, I should say... I don't run nautilus at all |
| 20:54.59 | solitude| | no |
| 20:55.03 | stoned | solitude|: you sure |
| 20:55.06 | solitude| | very |
| 20:55.07 | dembug | i can haz 2.6 |
| 20:55.07 | dutchfish | topo, i gues: cdrom::[mount-point] |
| 20:55.08 | dembug | :> |
| 20:55.09 | stoned | solitude|: are you indian? |
| 20:55.11 | solitude| | quakenet and efnet. |
| 20:55.12 | solitude| | God no. |
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| 20:55.17 | stoned | what do you mean god no |
| 20:55.18 | solitude| | Why the weird questions? |
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| 20:55.27 | dutchfish | topo, so cdrom::/media/cdrom1 |
| 20:55.32 | stoned | cuz some guy named solitutde messages me who i hadn't seen in a long time |
| 20:55.32 | alex___ | solitude| : a/s/l? |
| 20:55.34 | solitude| | indian internet sucks :| |
| 20:55.34 | stoned | anyway |
| 20:55.34 | zerokill88 | can someone help me with installation of the ipw3945 driver for my wireless interface? |
| 20:55.40 | solitude| | 19/m/UK |
| 20:55.40 | alex___ | solitude|: :P |
| 20:55.50 | alex___ | solitude|: london? |
| 20:56.07 | moshii | solitude|: UK massive! |
| 20:56.11 | stoned | pipeline_: they are designed not to burn up even if you try to massively oc it? |
| 20:56.11 | solitude| | London/Cambridge. |
| 20:56.16 | ruben | \amethyst: Uhmm, I think that now is a litte better, any idea how to change the blue dir color with a more little 'purple' like using xterm does |
| 20:56.22 | stoned | pipeline_: im not sure how tripe applies here |
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| 20:56.47 | pipeline_ | stoned: Scraps of inedible garbage which only the poor and stupid would purchase, much less consume. |
| 20:56.59 | Wyzard | stoned: I believe modern processors automatically underclock themeslves if they're too hot |
| 20:57.01 | stoned | pipeline_: like bacon and pig flesh? |
| 20:57.20 | stoned | Wyzard: but.. if you have the auto controls turned off in bios then what? |
| 20:57.22 | moshii | pipeline_: that's what they make chorizo out of! |
| 20:57.26 | pipeline_ | stoned: By the way, overvoltage will actually slow the thing down, because its throttling will kick in :) |
| 20:57.27 | \amethyst | ruben: urxvt -fn 'xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=15' --color12 purple1 or what have you |
| 20:57.32 | Wyzard | stoned: That's been true for years, ever since someone released a video online of an Athlon literally catching fire the moment the heatsink was removed |
| 20:57.36 | mesof | \amethyst: do just use terminal to file browse with console? |
| 20:57.38 | pipeline_ | stoned: It doesn't matter what speed it claims to be running. |
| 20:57.39 | \amethyst | ruben: err, with the -fb and what have you |
| 20:57.40 | stoned | Wyzard: cpu throttling, fsb control and thermal control and vcore all manually set in bios, auto is off |
| 20:57.42 | \amethyst | mesof: indeed |
| 20:57.49 | mesof | yeah i need to get good at that |
| 20:57.59 | topo | \amethyst, wrong sintax too |
| 20:58.02 | stoned | pipeline_: I actually undervolt it |
| 20:58.08 | Wyzard | stoned: dunno then... I have no idea whether the chip's built-in thermal protection relies on those settings |
| 20:58.12 | pipeline_ | Wyzard: Even at the time that video was distributed, it wasn't a genuine issue. The heatsink would actually have to fall off. If the fan stopped or something, most of the Athlons would just crash. |
| 20:58.27 | pipeline_ | Wyzard: It was only the very early athlons that would go boom. You can identify them by their ceramic packaging. |
| 20:58.31 | stoned | pipeline_: my cpu runs default 1.3500vcore, at 1866MHz, and I clock it to 3500MHz and give it 1.27500 vcore |
| 20:58.33 | zerokill88 | can ANYBODY help me with installation of the ipw3945 driver for my wireless interface? |
| 20:58.40 | Wyzard | pipeline_: I know -- I've had a fan stop working on one of those ceramic Athlons |
| 20:58.40 | ruben | \amethyst: what is --color12 purple? it change only directories? |
| 20:58.41 | mesof | thanks for the help \amethyst |
| 20:58.46 | moshii | stoned: is there any reason for overclocking? in the end you'll just end up with broken hardware and loads of corrupted files |
| 20:58.49 | pipeline_ | Wyzard: Ouch. |
| 20:58.51 | alex___ | stoned: that cant be stable |
| 20:58.58 | Wyzard | pipeline_: nah, nothing was damaged |
| 20:58.59 | pipeline_ | moshii: It gives high school kids something to do other than get stoned. |
| 20:59.00 | stoned | alex___: 100% solid and stable |
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| 20:59.08 | pipeline_ | Wyzard: lucky you :) |
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| 20:59.11 | \amethyst | ruben: color12 is bright blue |
| 20:59.11 | alex___ | stoned: e6300? |
| 20:59.17 | stoned | even on 64bit ubuntu, on 64bit amd etch it is not stable all the way |
| 20:59.20 | stoned | yes 6300 |
| 20:59.23 | Wyzard | pipeline_: except the reason the fan stopped working is because the motherboard's fan headers suddenly stopped providing power, so I had to send the board in for repair anyway |
| 20:59.28 | moshii | stoned: it's not even cool unless you unsolder stuff |
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| 20:59.40 | stoned | I've been using this 3500mhz oc on this cpu since jan |
| 20:59.42 | alex___ | stoned: your cpu hates you |
| 20:59.46 | \amethyst | ruben: which is the default LS_COLOR for blue |
| 20:59.47 | stoned | i don't care |
| 20:59.48 | alex___ | stoned: whats your cooler? |
| 20:59.51 | stoned | i can afford more hardware later |
| 20:59.52 | \amethyst | ruben: for directories, rather |
| 20:59.58 | pipeline_ | stoned: guess what: I don't know how fast my CPU is. |
| 21:00.01 | pipeline_ | stoned: I don't care. |
| 21:00.02 | ruben | \amethyst: interesting |
| 21:00.10 | pipeline_ | stoned: All I need to know is how many CPUs and how much memory :) |
| 21:00.20 | ruben | \amethyst: on -color12 i can use hexadecimal colors as argument? |
| 21:00.22 | stoned | pipeline_: I only have 1gb right now |
| 21:00.28 | pipeline_ | stoned: that's pathetic :P |
| 21:00.38 | stoned | pipeline_: soon as some more prices drop i'll be going with 4gb at least |
| 21:00.38 | alex___ | stoned: whats your cooler / cooling? |
| 21:00.47 | stoned | arctic freezer 7 pro |
| 21:00.55 | moshii | stoned: any reason for wasting your money of memory? |
| 21:00.59 | stoned | and arctic silver paste at work :D which i can get tomorrow |
| 21:01.07 | moshii | stoned: might as well save the money and buy faster memory later |
| 21:01.13 | \amethyst | ruben: yes, as '#ff80ff' (you need the quotes to keep # from being a comment) |
| 21:01.55 | stoned | well yeah |
| 21:01.55 | moshii | stoned: or buy an old mips or sparc box and play with something interesting.. |
| 21:01.55 | stoned | with ddr2 667mhz i can only go upto 500fsb |
| 21:01.57 | stoned | with ddr2 800 memory (good kind) I can maybe go past 500fsb |
| 21:02.06 | stoned | go beyond 3500MHZ until i burn this shit up |
| 21:02.12 | stoned | then i'll buy a quad core |
| 21:02.13 | stoned | :D |
| 21:02.24 | alex___ | stoned: arctic freezer 7 doesnt look very good - infact my scythe outperforms it |
| 21:02.25 | ruben | \amethyst: thank you :) |
| 21:02.30 | moshii | stoned: and run memtest and notice that everything that's coming out of that memory is shit |
| 21:02.35 | alex___ | stoned: even when im running in passive |
| 21:03.09 | stoned | alex___: with thermal paste (arctic silver) I was running this cpu 24/7 nonstop under load at 3500MHz for 6 months or so at 35-45C tops under full load |
| 21:03.21 | moshii | stoned: oh and then all your bus timings are screwed too, so everything on your disks is worthless |
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| 21:03.23 | stoned | Its just that the ambient temperature is around 90F today |
| 21:03.26 | stoned | so it sucks |
| 21:03.39 | stoned | moshii: not at all |
| 21:03.54 | \amethyst | ruben: also, you can set all these in your .Xdefaults so you don't always have to pass them on the command line |
| 21:04.10 | moshii | stoned: have you ran memtest on your machine to see if your oc hasn't made it worthless? |
| 21:04.21 | stoned | moshii: memtest ran for a few days after i put this together on the 3.5ghz oc |
| 21:04.24 | stoned | no errors |
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| 21:04.29 | stoned | ever |
| 21:04.45 | stoned | hell I ran memtest a few days ago for a few hours, did like 12 passes |
| 21:04.49 | stoned | it was fine |
| 21:05.12 | ruben | \amethyst: thank you, tis works perfect! |
| 21:05.13 | moshii | stoned: Speaking for experience, weird stuff starts to happen |
| 21:05.17 | \amethyst | ruben: like Rxvt*color12: #c080ff and so on |
| 21:05.43 | ruben | okidoki |
| 21:06.04 | stoned | moshii: this isn't my first time |
| 21:06.24 | stoned | been doing this for years, and I do it for a living, every day (not overclock but do hw repairs) |
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| 21:06.47 | stoned | and yes I build oc gaming machines too for customers |
| 21:07.03 | stoned | lately I build a machine, parts cost me 900$, I charged 1600$ total |
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| 21:07.11 | stoned | wasn't bad |
| 21:07.25 | moshii | faster and faster hardware, increasingly poor code |
| 21:07.30 | stoned | true |
| 21:07.42 | stoned | but code is trying to get better |
| 21:07.51 | stoned | soon people will realize multicore and multithreading is the way to go |
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| 21:07.57 | pipeline_ | err |
| 21:07.59 | pipeline_ | code can't get better |
| 21:08.15 | stoned | not only that, but the more people switch to 64bit, we'll see some real coding innovations and stuff |
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| 21:08.29 | stoned | lots of creativity with coding and programming will occur from some very bright minds |
| 21:08.32 | alex___ | wildchild: hi |
| 21:08.34 | moshii | stoned: 64bit machines have been around for decades |
| 21:08.35 | wildchild | hi ;) |
| 21:08.38 | stoned | 64bit needs to get big soon |
| 21:08.40 | zerokill88 | wow i cant believe im having this much trouble with DEBIAN |
| 21:08.44 | stoned | moshii: but not as a consumer desktop |
| 21:08.52 | wildchild | let me copy'n'paste this... |
| 21:08.53 | stoned | I'm talking about the masses |
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| 21:08.57 | stoned | not the industry |
| 21:08.59 | moshii | stoned: x86-64 isn't really a serious 64bit arch either |
| 21:09.09 | moshii | stoned: longer registers, woooo |
| 21:09.13 | stoned | still |
| 21:09.18 | stoned | look at the bright side |
| 21:09.20 | wildchild | i need some help with migrating ntfs disks to xfs or ext; i'm sitting in front of a windows server 2003 with roughly 1.5tb of data on ntfs arrays. lots of files have german umlauts (äüö) |
| 21:09.27 | wildchild | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.29 | stoned | its still better than 32bit |
| 21:09.40 | zerokill88 | how do i upgrade a package? |
| 21:09.42 | zerokill88 | libc6 |
| 21:09.49 | stoned | i have a feeling 64bit will take off very soon as a consumer desktop os |
| 21:09.56 | moshii | wildchild: when you mount the ntfs disk you can specify the encoding |
| 21:09.59 | stoned | soon as people make drivers for it and port their applications |
| 21:10.17 | moshii | wildchild: and store it to the xfs fs as utf |
| 21:10.38 | zerokill88 | geezuz wtf is up with apt-get |
| 21:10.48 | stoned | Supaplex|roaming: yo |
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| 21:10.52 | moshii | stoned: but linux has been running on 64bit machines for a long time |
| 21:11.00 | wildchild | moshii, i don't necessarily have to mount the ntfs drives. i have "swap" disks that i can format with whatever windows can. is there anything i need to pass to the xfs module when mounting my target array? or when copying? |
| 21:11.05 | Supaplex|roaming | stoned: pm, if you don't mind. :) |
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| 21:11.27 | stoned | oh |
| 21:11.29 | stoned | whoops |
| 21:11.33 | Guerin | zerokill88: use aptitude |
| 21:11.49 | stoned | dude hold on man |
| 21:11.57 | zerokill88 | Guerin ok, i will try but im so used to apt-get, and it gives me this The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 21:11.57 | zerokill88 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.57 | stoned | you made me forget what i was gonna do |
| 21:12.04 | zerokill88 | for everyhting i try,even to update |
| 21:12.07 | moshii | wildchild: to make xfs store filenames as utf8? |
| 21:12.35 | Guerin | zerokill88: remove the package, update and upgrade, then try to install whatever the new version is |
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| 21:13.01 | zerokill88 | are you talking about removeing linux-modules or apt-get? |
| 21:13.13 | Guerin | zerokill88: aptitude -f install; should give you options |
| 21:13.23 | Guerin | zerokill88: linux-modules or whatever |
| 21:14.22 | phrosty | top/ps freezes ssh connections immediately. lighttpd doesn't accept connections. if you launch screen, ps, reconnect when it freezes, then screen -R, you can get the results. i'm at a loss for what could be causing this - does anyone have an idea? |
| 21:14.22 | wildchild | moshii, yeah |
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| 21:14.42 | Guerin | phrosty: broken term settings |
| 21:14.51 | wildchild | moshii, the data is gonna be shared via samba later which adds a layer of umlaut stupidity later on |
| 21:14.58 | moshii | wildchild: mm my setup is utf so I think it just happens.. /me looks it up |
| 21:15.16 | Guerin | heh ... umlaut stupidity layer |
| 21:15.17 | wildchild | moshii, i just don't want to screw up the data while migrating. thanks :) |
| 21:15.41 | moshii | wildchild: I think samba will do the translation, I have Japanese filenames that appear fine over samba |
| 21:15.44 | alex___ | wildchild: 1.5TB? a few gig missing shouldnt bother anyone :P |
| 21:16.35 | wildchild | alex__, heh, i'm not worried about size but naming :P |
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| 21:17.27 | wildchild | alex__, few years ago i tried something similar, the result was completely screwed up filenames which couldn't be typed in. could only access those through tab completion |
| 21:17.33 | wildchild | i don't want that to happen again |
| 21:18.10 | dembug | use cp and not mv? :> |
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| 21:18.55 | moshii | wildchild: i think xfs is natively utf.. there's no option to specify the encoding |
| 21:18.57 | wildchild | meck :P |
| 21:19.18 | moshii | wildchild: there is convmv to re-encode filenames if you fsck them up though |
| 21:19.46 | wildchild | moshii, which shouldn't matter i guess. i suppose if ls shows the files with proper umlauts, cp should do so as well. |
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| 21:20.57 | zerokill88 | does aptitude install what you need and the dependencies???/ |
| 21:21.03 | pipeline_ | yes |
| 21:21.05 | Guerin | zerokill88: yes. |
| 21:21.05 | moshii | wildchild: oh, apparently xfs doesn't care what encoding is used |
| 21:21.11 | Guerin | what use would it be otherwise? |
| 21:21.23 | stoned | Guerin: 1 |
| 21:21.29 | zerokill88 | eh |
| 21:21.36 | Guerin | stoned: ! |
| 21:21.37 | zerokill88 | well it isnt downloading anyhting i want it to |
| 21:21.49 | zerokill88 | and i searched with aptitude for it too and its there |
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| 21:22.21 | user01 | grrrr no broadband internet providers in my area im going to starve to death |
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| 21:22.51 | zerokill88 | !pastebin |
| 21:22.51 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 21:23.05 | user01 | they came out to test and they said too many trees |
| 21:23.15 | abrotman | satellite! |
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| 21:23.30 | user01 | abrotman: i know . . . no voip though |
| 21:23.59 | zerokill88 | Guerin can you take a look at this http://paste.lisp.org/display/46737 |
| 21:24.05 | user01 | abrotman: and the contracts are one year to eighteen months |
| 21:24.18 | DustyBin | what would be a good choice for a bittorrent client out of: azureus, bittornado, bittorrent, ktorrent, qtorrent, rtorrent ? |
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| 21:24.34 | zerokill88 | bittorents arent good |
| 21:24.34 | dembug | rtorrent |
| 21:24.41 | pickcoder | satellite is still one-way isn't it? |
| 21:24.57 | user01 | pickcoder: says it is two way |
| 21:25.16 | user01 | pickcoder: 2 sec lag though they say |
| 21:25.23 | user01 | pickcoder: so no voip possible |
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| 21:25.38 | pickcoder | I don't see how it can be |
| 21:25.45 | user01 | DustyBin: i like bittornado |
| 21:25.49 | stoned | pipeline_: temp1: +53°C (low = +127°C, high = +127°C) sensor = thermistor |
| 21:25.57 | pickcoder | 2-way with a dial-up connection maybe |
| 21:25.58 | stoned | temp2: +50°C (low = +127°C, high = +127°C) sensor = diode |
| 21:26.05 | pickcoder | that's how DirecPC used to be |
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| 21:26.18 | user01 | pickcoder: i would think there is a transmitter and receiver |
| 21:26.25 | moshii | pickcoder: unless it's sat+radio |
| 21:26.28 | stoned | pipeline_: I'm guessing the thermistor one is cpu and the other one is what is labled as 'system temperature' in bos |
| 21:26.31 | stoned | bios* |
| 21:26.37 | pipeline_ | stoned: They're both full of shit. |
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| 21:26.45 | stoned | pipeline_: but why ? |
| 21:26.49 | moshii | user01: I doubt you'll be piping up to a sat.. |
| 21:26.53 | pickcoder | Idoubt your TV LNB can send a signal to space |
| 21:26.59 | pipeline_ | stoned: Because they're not precision scientific instruments, they're fudge factors. They don't need to be accurate. |
| 21:27.07 | Guerin | !wayttd zerokill88 |
| 21:27.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, zerokill88? |
| 21:27.18 | pickcoder | I've seen bi-directional connections advertised |
| 21:27.20 | user01 | pickcoder: let me look at wildblue website again |
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| 21:27.26 | pickcoder | but I've never seen one that didn't require a land connection |
| 21:27.33 | pipeline_ | stoned: Had you ever noticed how ootb the kernel doesn't mention these temperatures at boot? How windows doesn't put them in the device manager etc? That's because the numbers don't mean shit. Ignore them. |
| 21:27.36 | stoned | pipeline_: are they totally inaccurate or somewhat accurate or accurate but not precise |
| 21:27.42 | pipeline_ | stoned: They are neither accurate nor precise. |
| 21:28.00 | pipeline_ | stoned: The size of a degree will vary as you go up and down the scale. The absolute value has little relation to the scale it purports to sit on. |
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| 21:28.04 | stoned | pipeline_: but these are reported by the bios? |
| 21:28.10 | moshii | stoned: they're there to make people that like to look at numbers happy |
| 21:28.24 | stoned | ARE YOU SERIOUS?? |
| 21:28.36 | stoned | you guys aren't fucking with me just cuz I'm stoned? |
| 21:28.47 | pipeline_ | stoned: The only conceivable purpose is to make a change, then determine whether your change helped or hurt. And differences of less than five degrees C are probably meaningless, for aforementioned reasons. |
| 21:28.48 | user01 | moshii: http://www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how_it_works_demo.jsp |
| 21:28.50 | zerokill88 | Guerin i found out, the respitories were commented in sources.list but i cant figure out how to save and quit using vim |
| 21:29.00 | Guerin | zerokill88: :wq |
| 21:29.00 | R3dsh1ft | Having a problem getting X/Gnome to display the correct resolution. It's running out to a 37" HDTV, and I'm setting it to 1920x1080. At this resolution, it switches to 1920x540. I've tried 1280x720. At this resolution, it cuts some off of every side of the screen. |
| 21:29.02 | pipeline_ | stoned: No, I'm not fucking with you, I just hate PC kids obsessed with lmsensors output |
| 21:29.03 | user01 | moshii: says it beams signals up to the satellite |
| 21:29.16 | stoned | pipeline_: well if you're correct then... DAMN |
| 21:29.37 | stoned | pipeline_: if numbers don't mean shit, why are they on there? it takes resources to put the thermistor and diode etc. in there |
| 21:29.44 | stoned | why waste money on useless stats? |
| 21:29.45 | moshii | user01: Sat transmiters are expensive.. |
| 21:29.48 | pipeline_ | stoned: The numbers don't mean anything. The thermistor is useful, however. |
| 21:29.49 | zerokill88 | Guerin TY |
| 21:29.59 | pipeline_ | stoned: It's important for the CPU to know if it's getting too hot, in order to halt/throttle in an emergency. |
| 21:30.03 | stoned | pipeline_: how is it useful? in maybe adjust the cpu so it doesn't burn? |
| 21:30.08 | pipeline_ | stoned: ding ding ding |
| 21:30.09 | Guerin | pipeline_: they may not be accurate, but mine gave a good indication of when my shit was about to break down, when I was overclocking |
| 21:30.11 | stoned | word |
| 21:30.16 | stoned | I'm understanding it |
| 21:30.17 | zerokill88 | Guerin where might i find a complete list of all respitories? |
| 21:30.19 | pipeline_ | stoned: Once you have the hardware in place, it doesn't really cost anything to return the value :P |
| 21:30.24 | pipeline_ | stoned: It's just that the value doesn't mean much. |
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| 21:30.33 | Guerin | pipeline_: whenever the SPU temp hit 86°C it was freezy time |
| 21:30.37 | stoned | pipeline_: have you seen the new ninja turtles movie? |
| 21:30.42 | Guerin | zerokill88: no such list exists. |
| 21:30.53 | pipeline_ | Guerin: When in fact if you read data sheets, there's no way it could get to 86C and still be running :P |
| 21:30.57 | linuxtk10 | how much ram does a defauly mysql idleing take ? |
| 21:30.57 | pipeline_ | stoned: No. |
| 21:30.58 | user01 | moshii: says it costs $249 |
| 21:30.59 | linuxtk10 | actual ram |
| 21:31.05 | stoned | pipeline_: its very good |
| 21:31.13 | moshii | user01: it'll either require a phoneline, or has some sort of local radio thing.. |
| 21:31.14 | pipeline_ | linuxtk10: Depends on database size. With nothing running? Very little. |
| 21:31.22 | Guerin | pipeline_: oh, absolutely - but once I knew the scale it was still almost as useful to me. |
| 21:31.41 | alex___ | Say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard -- http://noooxml.org/petition |
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| 21:31.59 | Guerin | it also said stupid things like the internal case temp was 22°C when the ambient room temp was well over 30 :) |
| 21:32.05 | pipeline_ | linuxtk10: I have a mysql instance on my laptop with no data in it, just a few db schemas.. 18.6M resident. |
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| 21:32.11 | user01 | moshii: well if i had another choice id consider it |
| 21:32.16 | Guerin | alex___: why would you bother telling us? |
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| 21:32.25 | pipeline_ | linuxtk10: mysql was originally developed as an embedded database for PCs, msql, so it shouldn't be surprising that an idle instance with no data uses no memor yto speak of :) |
| 21:32.31 | user01 | yahoo is supposed to offer something maybe over phone lines |
| 21:32.39 | solitude| | phone calls? |
| 21:32.40 | Guerin | alex___: 1. We already know and care. 2. web petitions are about as useful as farts in a hurricane |
| 21:32.48 | moshii | user01: really high gain wifi ant. + aircrack? |
| 21:33.01 | abrotman | why would you oppose a standard ? |
| 21:33.04 | alex___ | Guerin: you could still smell farts on a hurricane if required |
| 21:33.28 | linuxtk10 | pipeline_: tell me why its idling and using 120 mb of ram ? |
| 21:33.31 | alex___ | question is, why is that useful Guerin? |
| 21:33.45 | abrotman | same question applies to web petitions |
| 21:33.49 | moshii | linuxtk10: caching |
| 21:34.07 | pipeline_ | linuxtk10: You probably have data in it. |
| 21:34.07 | linuxtk10 | how much of it is actual ram ? |
| 21:34.11 | linuxtk10 | nothing |
| 21:34.12 | linuxtk10 | not 1 thing |
| 21:34.14 | user01 | moshii: how many miles away would that work? the closest broadband services are maybe 10 - 15 miles |
| 21:34.17 | Guerin | alex___: but it's still no *use*. |
| 21:34.19 | pipeline_ | linuxtk10: Then you are misreading the statistics. |
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| 21:34.36 | linuxtk10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.36 | linuxtk10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.36 | linuxtk10 | Mem: 255 124 131 0 0 0 |
| 21:34.36 | linuxtk10 | -/+ buffers/cache: 124 131 |
| 21:34.36 | linuxtk10 | Swap: 0 0 0 |
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| 21:34.39 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: what is the RSS? |
| 21:34.47 | gregj | anyone knows about issues with jabberd after upgrade to etch ? |
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| 21:34.50 | linuxtk10 | sorry |
| 21:34.52 | Guerin | linuxtk10: you fail at life |
| 21:34.55 | linuxtk10 | but did you guys see it ? |
| 21:35.01 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: would you please |
| 21:35.08 | moshii | user01: maybe not far.. ask your neighbours if they would link to invest in a laser link |
| 21:35.16 | moshii | user01: or microwave |
| 21:35.21 | linuxtk10 | it says cached 0 |
| 21:35.26 | abrotman | gregj: be more descriptive |
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| 21:35.51 | NicNac | hey do I go about setting up a new gfx card with debian? |
| 21:36.03 | abrotman | which gfx card? |
| 21:36.08 | gregj | abrotman: after upgrade to etch, the jabberd doesn't quite work, it is unable to connect to any external servers , etc, |
| 21:36.12 | stoned | paddy whack/ |
| 21:36.16 | stoned | give the dog a bone |
| 21:36.17 | abrotman | gregj: checked the bts ? |
| 21:36.20 | Guerin | NicNac: 1. shut down com[puter 2. put new card in 3. boot 4. run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:36.26 | NicNac | I have gone from a ati rad 9600pro to a matrox card |
| 21:36.27 | stoned | something something something, la de da de da |
| 21:36.30 | moshii | linuxtk10: you have free memory! |
| 21:36.32 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.33 | abrotman | which matrox ? |
| 21:36.37 | gregj | abrotman: yeah |
| 21:36.42 | abrotman | parhelia? g400 ? |
| 21:36.42 | gregj | abrotman: can't see anything there |
| 21:36.42 | stoned | why does he have free memory |
| 21:36.48 | linuxtk10 | moshii: still i dont want mysql using 120+ mb wghen idling |
| 21:36.49 | stoned | its not good to have free memory |
| 21:36.54 | NicNac | g450 |
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| 21:37.01 | Guerin | linuxtk10: you're reading the data wrong. |
| 21:37.03 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: err, what makes you think mysql is using 120+ MB? |
| 21:37.03 | abrotman | gregj: check the README or docs in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 21:37.04 | pipeline_ | linuxtk10: You have clearly misread the data. |
| 21:37.08 | stoned | free ram == wasted ram |
| 21:37.10 | abrotman | NicNac: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg .. choose mga |
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| 21:37.23 | NicNac | abrotman you are a saint :) |
| 21:37.27 | pipeline_ | linuxtk10: ...and if you hadn't misread it, you should still ignore it. RAM is 10c a megabyte. Fuck it. |
| 21:37.29 | moshii | linuxtk10: you're whole system is using 120MB by the look of it.. |
| 21:37.30 | gregj | abrotman: jabberd README ? |
| 21:37.35 | abrotman | i prefer the term 'sinner' :) |
| 21:37.41 | stoned | 10c a mb |
| 21:37.41 | NicNac | heheh |
| 21:37.43 | stoned | not really |
| 21:37.49 | parkland | Hey, I am running debian lenny with my root partition on lvm. Does anyone know if there's are potential problems upgrading to lvm2? |
| 21:37.57 | linuxtk10 | moshii: your right the systme is uisng 4 mb the rest os mysql |
| 21:38.02 | stoned | it varies by ram type, and speed etc. |
| 21:38.15 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: run top, press capital M |
| 21:38.17 | moshii | linuxtk10: so that 6MB or so kernel is not in memory? |
| 21:38.27 | pipeline_ | stoned: Oh, shut it. |
| 21:38.29 | gregj | abrotman: there's nothing debian specific in it, it just says : compile, run with params, etc |
| 21:38.30 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: what is the RES column for mysqld ? |
| 21:38.40 | pipeline_ | stoned: RAM is cheap. You can ramble about overclocking all you like. |
| 21:38.41 | user01 | moshii: one said no . . . i dont know if there is another one for about 3 miles |
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| 21:38.55 | Guerin | linuxtk10: you're stupid. I sugest you learn something about the system you're trying to operate before operating it. |
| 21:39.05 | Guerin | like, you know, which poedal makes it go forward and which stop |
| 21:39.05 | moshii | user01: A bit like living in Spain :( |
| 21:39.07 | linuxtk10 | \amethyst: http://phpfi.com/258744 |
| 21:39.07 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: did you boot into single-user mode or something, so that nothing but mysqld is running? |
| 21:39.12 | stoned | pipeline_: no I mean its not really 10c an mb |
| 21:39.23 | stoned | pipeline_: ddr3 is like maybe 30c |
| 21:39.46 | pipeline_ | stoned: terrifying, $300 a GB. |
| 21:39.51 | moshii | linuxtk10: telefonica, the worlds best isp hahaha |
| 21:40.08 | linuxtk10 | yea well |
| 21:40.10 | pipeline_ | stoned: RAM is not a problem anymore. Most servers have 16-64G... it's just like fuck it. |
| 21:40.11 | stoned | pipeline_: yeh, thts a lot man |
| 21:40.15 | linuxtk10 | i moved a while ago |
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| 21:40.22 | stoned | pipeline_: yeh well ok then |
| 21:40.26 | abrotman | pipeline_: i'd say 4-64 |
| 21:40.37 | pipeline_ | stoned: no sir, it is not a lot. It's a drip. It's pennies next to the cost of the rest of the hardware. |
| 21:40.47 | stoned | pipeline_: in enterprise sure |
| 21:40.53 | pipeline_ | stoned: ding ding ding |
| 21:40.54 | moshii | linuxtk10: They have a scheme of installing open wireless ap's everywhere now, so it's like having a town-wide mesh |
| 21:40.57 | stoned | but 300$ out of your own pocket on something is like.. whoah |
| 21:41.00 | pipeline_ | stoned: Where do you think most hardware and software go? :) |
| 21:41.08 | stoned | but I didn't know we ere talking about enterprise, I thought it was his personal system |
| 21:41.10 | abrotman | china! |
| 21:41.21 | gregj | abrotman: if I run it in debug mode, plenty of 'timeouts' when trying to connect to external servers |
| 21:41.24 | linuxtk10 | moshii: i used dial up back then |
| 21:41.25 | pipeline_ | stoned: what kind of sicko puts unix on his personal system |
| 21:41.25 | Guerin | stoned: well ... since a gig of ram is going to last you five years ... 10 in a box with a 4G capacity ... I wouldn't say so |
| 21:41.31 | abrotman | gregj: can you ping or telnet to them ? |
| 21:41.43 | stoned | pipeline_: what? |
| 21:41.52 | stoned | what are you talking about? |
| 21:41.52 | zicho | has anyone here compiled audacious? if so, please send me a private message. |
| 21:41.58 | DocPheniX | ah man i love free hardware |
| 21:42.05 | linuxtk10 | the good ol days in España |
| 21:42.07 | stoned | I got some hardware |
| 21:42.08 | stoned | its free |
| 21:42.09 | stoned | you want it |
| 21:42.09 | abrotman | zicho: it's in sid/lenny |
| 21:42.25 | gregj | abrotman: yup |
| 21:42.26 | DocPheniX | installing debian on a 333mhz imac atm |
| 21:42.28 | DocPheniX | :P |
| 21:42.36 | stoned | its a new thing. first its software, and then if you work on it, it becomes hardware. amazing isn't it |
| 21:42.37 | moshii | linuxtk10: Gibraltar's internet is better.. think microwave link across live runway |
| 21:42.42 | abrotman | gregj: i don't know enough about jabberd .. but there is a #jabber |
| 21:42.43 | zicho | abrotman: i use etch stable |
| 21:42.46 | gregj | abrotman: try telnet jabber.autocom.pl 5269 |
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| 21:42.53 | stoned | curved microwave transmission |
| 21:42.53 | gregj | abrotman: for instace, i can do it from my server |
| 21:43.06 | stoned | basically curved optical transmissions of data |
| 21:43.07 | linux_stu | what is a good gui frontent for apt-get in kde? |
| 21:43.09 | stoned | that would be the shit |
| 21:43.10 | gregj | but jabberd timesout |
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| 21:43.15 | stoned | kpackage |
| 21:43.21 | linux_stu | ok thanks stoned |
| 21:43.21 | abrotman | gregj: firewall ? |
| 21:43.23 | stoned | sure |
| 21:43.28 | gregj | abrotman: turned off |
| 21:43.28 | \amethyst | linux_stu: adept |
| 21:43.32 | gregj | abrotman: just in case |
| 21:43.33 | moshii | stoned: No, it used to be "mm internet has gone down"..."ah, plane" |
| 21:43.39 | stoned | lol |
| 21:43.44 | gregj | abrotman: like I said, I am telneting from the same host |
| 21:43.48 | linuxtk10 | moshii: yea well i dont live there no more here we get lik 20 mbit connections |
| 21:43.52 | gregj | so there's no way it can be firewall ;) |
| 21:43.53 | Guerin | gregj: it's still insecure! |
| 21:43.57 | abrotman | gregj: but i'd imagine the jabber protocol needs to connect back to you |
| 21:44.43 | moshii | think of all the legal linux iso's one could download |
| 21:44.43 | stoned | no need for line of sigght. lets figure out how to transmit data through light, without line of sight. basically just bend the light the way you want, without much gravity.. have a optical network covering the entire globe. block out the sun, and use optical transmissions |
| 21:44.47 | Guerin | moshii: when it gets beyond 10mbit you rarely end up using the extra anyhow |
| 21:44.48 | stoned | i am too high |
| 21:44.51 | stoned | thx. |
| 21:44.52 | abrotman | zicho: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:44.58 | linuxtk10 | moshii: sweden == cold |
| 21:45.07 | Guerin | stoned: go put on some jethro tull and lie down |
| 21:45.22 | stoned | I am not familiar with jethro and tull |
| 21:45.25 | moshii | linuxtk10: You can get 100mbit in Japan.. but it's too hot there, I was melting |
| 21:45.36 | gregj | you can get 100mbit in HK too |
| 21:45.37 | linuxtk10 | moshii: japn is not hot |
| 21:45.52 | Guerin | stoned: that's because you're a youngling who hasn't leared his musical history |
| 21:45.52 | stoned | japan is full of some really SICK porn |
| 21:45.52 | gregj | abrotman: I have no idea whatsoever :/ |
| 21:45.55 | linuxtk10 | far from hot |
| 21:46.05 | stoned | Guerin: musical history? |
| 21:46.09 | abrotman | gregj: can you telnet to the jabberd port on your server? |
| 21:46.15 | abrotman | gregj: or ask #jabber |
| 21:46.16 | stoned | Guerin: probably older than you |
| 21:46.17 | gregj | yeah |
| 21:46.21 | gregj | abrotman: I will, thanks |
| 21:46.21 | Guerin | linuxtk10: you clearly haven't lived in japan. It's fucking hot four months of the year. |
| 21:46.25 | moshii | linuxtk10: yeah? it was like 37c there a week and half ago |
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| 21:46.35 | stoned | moshii: you're japanese |
| 21:46.39 | Guerin | stoned: if you haven't heard of jethro tull, i call rank on you. |
| 21:46.47 | stoned | Guerin: rank/ |
| 21:46.47 | moshii | moshii: No, I'm English |
| 21:46.51 | stoned | dude wtf is jethro tull |
| 21:47.01 | stoned | some crappy gay folk musician? |
| 21:47.08 | stoned | someone who can't play guitar worth a fuck? |
| 21:47.15 | petemc | listen to cross eyed mary |
| 21:47.16 | \amethyst | stoned: prog rock band with Ian Anderson |
| 21:47.19 | stoned | anyway, im not looking up jethro |
| 21:47.22 | Guerin | stoned: flute |
| 21:47.35 | stoned | hmm |
| 21:47.37 | stoned | prog rock you say |
| 21:47.40 | stoned | flue you say |
| 21:47.44 | Guerin | anyway, i don't really have much time for prog rock ... but it's the canonical stoner music |
| 21:47.45 | stoned | well i might just have to check it out |
| 21:47.58 | stoned | but first |
| 21:48.04 | stoned | I must stone |
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| 21:48.24 | DocPheniX | mmm jethro tull was never on my list when i was a stoner |
| 21:48.26 | DocPheniX | ever. |
| 21:48.37 | stoned | you know who I listen to when i am high |
| 21:48.48 | abrotman | how can he not know tull .. |
| 21:48.48 | Guerin | stoned: slayaaaarrrrrrrr! |
| 21:48.56 | stoned | crazy technical wankery metal with melodic neocalssical basis/foundation |
| 21:48.59 | stoned | Guerin: not really |
| 21:49.01 | Guerin | abrotman: he's a heathen who listens to nothing buy wank-met'l |
| 21:49.08 | stoned | never got too much into slayer, a few songs are good |
| 21:49.11 | abrotman | Guerin: winger? :) |
| 21:49.11 | linuxtk10 | moshii: it easily gets 44 C here |
| 21:49.17 | linuxtk10 | moshii: with the heat index n al |
| 21:49.20 | Guerin | abrotman: eep. |
| 21:49.30 | moshii | stoned: aphex twin is better when "on" |
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| 21:49.34 | stoned | Guerin: necrophagist.de downloads check out one song named stabwound and listen to the gutiar |
| 21:49.45 | stoned | metal ftw! |
| 21:49.52 | stoned | \m/ |
| 21:49.54 | moshii | linuxtk10: ok, I'll avoid leaving there |
| 21:50.12 | asdx | stoned: recommend me a metal band |
| 21:50.14 | abrotman | Guerin: he won't get it .. |
| 21:50.25 | abrotman | Guerin: it actually has emotion |
| 21:50.29 | Guerin | abrotman: of course not. Not fast enough. Not enough amps. |
| 21:50.30 | moshii | linuxtk10: one thing about Japan is that there are always people giving out fans and other cooling products |
| 21:50.41 | stoned | dude |
| 21:50.42 | linuxtk10 | moshii: here we all have air conditioning |
| 21:50.48 | Guerin | younglings these days, yeesh. |
| 21:50.58 | linuxtk10 | moshii: and its only southern japan thats hot |
| 21:50.59 | stoned | the kind of metal I listen to, it is extremely unlistenable to most people (99%) |
| 21:51.00 | abrotman | he's not that freaking young |
| 21:51.06 | stoned | asdx: but if you insist |
| 21:51.15 | Guerin | stoned: ur so 1337 |
| 21:51.19 | stoned | asdx: Necrophagist, Spawn of Possession, Theory In Practice |
| 21:51.33 | stoned | Guerin: it has nothing to do with that |
| 21:51.35 | asdx | stoned: lol ok |
| 21:51.39 | abrotman | !qotd6 |
| 21:51.39 | dpkg | <d0ugie> kickin it real on efnet, doing takeovers on #hack manually, typing really fast to mode -o everyone <sussudio> d0ugie: can you stop being a sad wanker? |
| 21:51.41 | stoned | Guerin: its just what I like, and most people consider it noise |
| 21:51.46 | Guerin | stoned: if it didn't, why mention it? |
| 21:51.46 | stoned | I consider it brilliant music |
| 21:51.53 | stoned | Guerin: as a warning |
| 21:51.59 | Guerin | muhahah |
| 21:52.02 | linuxtk10 | moshii: where do you live in spain ? |
| 21:52.12 | Guerin | you cannot WITHSTAND mah musics! |
| 21:52.14 | moshii | linuxtk10: depends if you're in a moshpit or not.. The Japanese can mosh |
| 21:52.14 | stoned | against wasting one's time with music they won't like to begin with |
| 21:52.19 | stoned | its not my music |
| 21:52.23 | stoned | my music is liked by many |
| 21:52.32 | Guerin | but not 99% |
| 21:52.38 | stoned | my music is metal/rock/classical indian |
| 21:52.38 | Guerin | it's unlistenable, right? |
| 21:52.40 | snowbird | stoned what u play |
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| 21:52.56 | stoned | Guerin: go download and listen to Gorguts, and tell me if you like it or not. |
| 21:52.58 | snowbird | sounds cool stoned |
| 21:52.59 | stoned | we'll settle this right now |
| 21:53.13 | asdx | i like "a perfect circle" wikipedia says that is alternative rock/metal :p |
| 21:53.16 | stoned | i like gorguts, but most people find it to be noise and without melody or rythem |
| 21:53.18 | stoned | so what? |
| 21:53.18 | moshii | linuxtk10: La Linea, which is the on the Spain/Gibraltar border |
| 21:53.33 | Guerin | stoned: but what if I'm part of the 99% ... i might not be able to wothstand it! |
| 21:53.43 | stoned | its not abotu withstanding it |
| 21:53.47 | Guerin | APC are Tool Lite |
| 21:53.55 | asdx | yeah tool is nice too |
| 21:54.02 | topo | Hi, anyone can explain me the sintax for the mount point in the cdrom URI of apt.conf?? I can't understand it the manual for that |
| 21:54.04 | Guerin | yeah, but tool lite ain't |
| 21:54.07 | \amethyst | asdx: King Crimson from the 70s |
| 21:54.17 | stoned | in the court of the crimson king |
| 21:54.18 | \amethyst | or 90s-now for that matter |
| 21:54.21 | linuxtk10 | moshii: why do you live there ? |
| 21:54.24 | Guerin | stoned: nah, it's just fun trolling you ;) |
| 21:54.28 | linuxtk10 | cause its a british terrirtory ? |
| 21:54.46 | moshii | linuxtk10: Working on the rock,.. leaving very very soon though. yay! |
| 21:54.47 | stoned | Guerin: yeh, its fun teasing you too, you get so hyper about it all |
| 21:54.48 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:54.50 | asdx | \amethyst: i'll listen that |
| 21:54.58 | linuxtk10 | moshii: then where ? |
| 21:55.01 | Guerin | heh, this is a common misconception :) |
| 21:55.01 | linuxtk10 | UK ? |
| 21:55.04 | moshii | linuxtk10: Lot's of IT on the rock.. online gambling ;) |
| 21:55.10 | stoned | Guerin: I could say the same :) |
| 21:55.15 | stoned | but enough chatter |
| 21:55.18 | stoned | it is now time |
| 21:55.23 | asdx | joy division is nice too |
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| 21:55.46 | asdx | well i only know "dead souls" from them |
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| 21:55.48 | moshii | tom jones is nick |
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| 21:55.57 | moshii | *nice |
| 21:55.59 | stoned | join #music |
| 21:56.04 | stoned | we'll discuss it all there |
| 21:56.28 | moshii | Debian should make awful theme songs like OpenBSD |
| 21:56.31 | linuxtk10 | moshii: i would be pissed if the british owned an island 2 miles off the coast of here |
| 21:56.37 | Guerin | moshii: that'd be awesome |
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| 21:56.50 | abrotman | moshii: go for it |
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| 21:57.06 | asdx | debian would rock as a rock band |
| 21:57.07 | asdx | :p |
| 21:57.12 | mike1o | !bluetooth |
| 21:57.12 | dpkg | it has been said that bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
| 21:57.15 | abrotman | there'd be a committee for every song |
| 21:57.21 | moshii | linuxtk10: It's been British longer than it's been Spanish, if truth be told the whole of the south of Spain belongs to the Arabs, and the Spanish did exaclty the same in other places |
| 21:57.22 | abrotman | lyrics .. melody .. harmony |
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| 21:57.30 | moshii | linuxtk10: so who cares haha |
| 21:57.34 | Guerin | abrotman: it'd delay release dates by at least a year |
| 21:57.46 | abrotman | Guerin: it'd be "Chinese Democracy" for every release! |
| 21:57.47 | Guerin | abrotman: and then someone would resign because theyr marimba wasn't mixed high enough |
| 21:57.56 | linuxtk10 | moshii: what about before the arabs ? |
| 21:57.59 | \amethyst | What this package needs is more cowbell! |
| 21:58.15 | abrotman | !more cowbell |
| 21:58.16 | linuxtk10 | moshii: the spanish gave everything bakc but yea |
| 21:58.20 | abrotman | msut be another bot |
| 21:58.30 | Guerin | \amethyst: i'm filing a RC bug against this: `Cut the moog, it's so 1970s!' |
| 21:58.31 | moshii | linuxtk10: Dunno, but an important thing to note is that Gibraltar is no longer under the control of the UK |
| 21:59.13 | linuxtk10 | who is it under ? |
| 21:59.20 | abrotman | i think they hgave it back to spain |
| 21:59.30 | linuxtk10 | anyways its a 2 mile island who cares :DX |
| 21:59.37 | moshii | linuxtk10: The Queen is the head of state, and some other things like that.. but recently various things have been passed to make Gib self governing |
| 22:00.00 | linuxtk10 | oh yea |
| 22:00.04 | linuxtk10 | the Queen gotta love that |
| 22:00.06 | Guerin | linuxtk10: quite a lot f people care, since it's one of the most valuable strategic spots in europe |
| 22:00.26 | Guerin | linuxtk10: and remember what happened when the argies though nobody would care about the Falklands |
| 22:00.35 | linuxtk10 | i mean |
| 22:00.41 | abrotman | Guerin: wasn't there a minor skirmish? :) |
| 22:00.44 | linuxtk10 | why does that not belong to argentina ? |
| 22:00.54 | moshii | linuxtk10: Gibraltar belongs to Spain no more that it belongs to the uk |
| 22:01.02 | Guerin | abrotman: something about a boat getting sunk ... and some spy novels |
| 22:01.09 | linuxtk10 | UK just has it since 300 years |
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| 22:01.11 | abrotman | Guerin: ian fleming planned the whole thing! |
| 22:01.16 | Guerin | linuxtk10: because they didn't have the stones to take it back |
| 22:01.24 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_overseas_territory |
| 22:01.48 | Guerin | abrotman: the brits were just pissed off that Argentina took in all those Nazi war crims |
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| 22:01.56 | linuxtk10 | lol @ bermuda |
| 22:02.03 | abrotman | Guerin: heh |
| 22:02.04 | moshii | linuxtk10: The Spanish had it even less, it's Morrocan |
| 22:02.07 | abrotman | bermuda is under the crown |
| 22:02.17 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: argentina at that time was in bad shape as well |
| 22:02.27 | Guerin | linuxtk10: quite. |
| 22:02.43 | linuxtk10 | still is |
| 22:02.47 | linuxtk10 | but yea |
| 22:02.53 | linuxtk10 | i ve been there many times |
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| 22:04.19 | linuxtk10 | the usa has a few terrirtories but they vote every few years to stay or becom thier own country. of course they stay becasue most young people move to the usa and yea |
| 22:04.47 | moshii | linuxtk10: to be honest, I can live and work anywhere in the EU without a visa or permit and that's what matters to me :) |
| 22:04.52 | Guerin | tom wood, we salute you! |
| 22:05.08 | Guerin | (even if you are grounded without internet privileges) |
| 22:05.08 | asdx | i love debian |
| 22:05.11 | asdx | lol |
| 22:05.14 | linuxtk10 | moshii: ah only time i livedin europe was in spain and portugal if that counts |
| 22:05.33 | linuxtk10 | moshii: i travel alot europe is to small ;) |
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| 22:07.13 | simonrvn | linuxtk10: come over to turtle island it's bigger than you could imagine. walk anywhere outside of a city and get lost (not counting the 'burbs ;p) |
| 22:07.49 | linuxtk10 | simonrvn: turlte island ? |
| 22:07.50 | moshii | linuxtk10: Small is good, flights home are cheaper haha |
| 22:08.03 | simonrvn | linuxtk10: AKA north america |
| 22:08.16 | linuxtk10 | i live in north america |
| 22:08.24 | simonrvn | oh ok hehe |
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| 22:08.48 | linuxtk10 | on the caribbean |
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| 22:09.25 | linuxtk10 | miami florida to be more exact |
| 22:09.48 | simonrvn | ok |
| 22:10.24 | simonrvn | me go north a ways, to canuckia, then a ways bit more to montreal |
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| 22:10.51 | linuxtk10 | simonrvn: cold as hell :P |
| 22:11.01 | simonrvn | uh, no ;) |
| 22:11.14 | moshii | I'm probably on an FBI "to arrest" list for working at a gambling operation, so america is out |
| 22:11.17 | simonrvn | it's 28 C with humidex of 35 ;) |
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| 22:11.38 | graytron | shouldn't "aptitude search '~M'" list all packages marked as automatically installed? |
| 22:11.47 | linuxtk10 | simonrvn: im talking winter |
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| 22:12.23 | simonrvn | linuxtk10: we had a mild winter :/ |
| 22:12.41 | simonrvn | graytron: hm, isn't it A? |
| 22:12.51 | simonrvn | ~A, really |
| 22:13.01 | simonrvn | sec |
| 22:13.14 | Sebboh | My linksys router has always been my dhcp server. I want to replace it with a dhcp/dns server that will give me a web interface and provide DNS for all the clients on the network.. so if I add newmachine to the net, I want other machines to be able to connect to http://newmachine .. it's ok if I have to set that up the first time via the web interface.. So! What software should I use for this? |
| 22:13.25 | Patrick2 | Typing "aptitude update" and then "aptitude upgrade" applies all updates (both from security and main). How do I just apply security updates ? |
| 22:13.48 | simonrvn | graytron: yeh you're right: |
| 22:13.49 | Wyzard | Sebboh: The "dnsmasq" package has DNS integrated with its DHCP service, and can do that |
| 22:14.01 | linuxtk10 | simonrvn: ;) mild not as i know it |
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| 22:14.09 | Sebboh | Wyzard, cool. =) |
| 22:14.14 | moshii | Sebboh: I don't know if there's any software with a webinterface |
| 22:14.33 | moshii | Sebboh: dnsmasq provides both dns and dhcp iirc |
| 22:14.41 | graytron | simonrvn: thanks. seems like aptitude considers all apt-get installed packages as non-automatically installed on sarge, which is ok |
| 22:14.48 | Wyzard | Sebboh: You could also use Avahi, which is a free implementation of what Apple calls "Bonjour" -- with that installed, you can resolve other Avahi/Bonjour machines with "<hostname>.local", without needing any sort of nameserver at all |
| 22:14.57 | simonrvn | graytron: yeh |
| 22:15.25 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Apple has a Bonjour installer for Windows, and of course it's preinstalled on any Mac, so it's interoperable |
| 22:15.32 | graytron | simonrvn: just preparing my system for an upgrade :) |
| 22:15.36 | jetscreamer | it's kinda hard not to have something drag avahi in |
| 22:15.50 | moshii | Patrick2: if you load up the aptitude interface you can select the security updates |
| 22:16.01 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Install avahi-daemon and libnss-mdns if you want to go that route |
| 22:16.10 | Sebboh | moshii, I guess I can live without the webinterface. Wyzard, hmm, this avahi/bonjour system sounds like something that I would have to install on each system--what about the printer and the xbox? =) If it is dns-based.. and the dns is populated when dhcp occurs.. I think that's what I want. |
| 22:16.13 | moshii | Patrick2: not sure how it's down from aptitudes command line interface |
| 22:16.16 | Patrick2 | moshii: My server doesn't have X11 install (it's command line only) |
| 22:16.25 | moshii | Patrick2: aptitude is curses |
| 22:16.33 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Dunno about the xbox, but many current network printers support Bonjour already |
| 22:16.49 | moshii | Patrick2: it's a text interface |
| 22:16.58 | Wyzard | Sebboh: and CUPS 1.3 (released about a week ago) supports discovering available printers that way |
| 22:17.11 | Patrick2 | moshii: Indeed... it is curses |
| 22:17.14 | simonrvn | graytron: it is indeed ~M |
| 22:17.25 | simonrvn | graytron: :) |
| 22:17.43 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: i know, i hate that :/ |
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| 22:18.00 | Sebboh | thanks for the info Wyzard, moshii. =) |
| 22:18.05 | Patrick2 | moshii: Maybe "aptitude upgrade security" works ? |
| 22:18.12 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: i try to minimise what it'll pull in but it isn't easy sometimes |
| 22:18.15 | Wyzard | Sebboh: If you use dnsmasq, keep in mind that it'll only know the machine's hostname if the machine actually sends its hostname as part of the DHCP request -- Windows and OSX do that, but for some reason Debian's default dhclient configuration doesn't |
| 22:18.25 | moshii | Patrick2: no idea, I use the curses interface :P |
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| 22:18.35 | Patrick2 | moshii: Thanks for your help :-) |
| 22:18.36 | mike1o | I am havin trouble connecting to my mobile device via bluetooth |
| 22:18.40 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: i know exactly what you mean |
| 22:18.56 | Wyzard | Sebboh: But you can put entries in /etc/ethers (MAC address, space, hostname) and it'll recognize clients by their MAC address and know their name even if they didn't send it in the DHCP request |
| 22:19.00 | Sebboh | Wyzard, hmm.. I'd really like a dhcp server that will remember each client's mac address and give it the same IP each time--and add that ip/host to the dns. |
| 22:19.24 | Wyzard | Sebboh: You can do that with dnsmasq too -- put IP/name pairs in /etc/hosts and it'll always assign that IP to the machine with that name |
| 22:19.46 | Sebboh | wyz, cool. |
| 22:20.12 | graytron | should a 2.6.16 kernel work with etch? |
| 22:20.18 | simonrvn | graytron: yup |
| 22:20.31 | Wyzard | Sebboh: I use that on my network (dnsmasq with both /etc/ethers and /etc/hosts), but I only have static names configured for the desktop systems |
| 22:20.40 | moshii | Patrick2: with apt-get you could do something like -t experimental to tell it to use packages from experimental (priority of experimental is lower), so there is probably a way of just doing security patches with both apt-get and aptitude |
| 22:20.41 | simonrvn | graytron: recommended to have a 2.6 in fact |
| 22:20.42 | Sebboh | I downgraded my kernel the other day and started getting segfaults in random apps, including bash. |
| 22:20.51 | graytron | simonrvn: great. wonder if i need to reboot immediately after sarge -> etch upgrade |
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| 22:21.08 | Wyzard | Sebboh: My laptop has two network interfaces (wired and wireless) with different MAC addresses and therefore different IPs, and I didn't want to define two hostnames for it |
| 22:21.18 | jetscreamer | couldn't hurt |
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| 22:21.28 | Wyzard | Sebboh: so I use Avahi for that -- my laptop is "shion.local" regardless of whether it's currently using its wired or its wireless connection |
| 22:21.31 | simonrvn | graytron: some folks do, esp. when they install a 2.6 (or a newer one). etch's default is 2.6.18 |
| 22:21.38 | user01 | im excited there is finally a linux user group in my area . . . hope they use debian |
| 22:21.49 | user01 | free food too cool |
| 22:21.56 | Sebboh | Wyzard, yeah, that's always a pain. Hmm, my roomate is pro-mac, so maybe I'll end up using ahavi sometime. ;) |
| 22:22.05 | xerophyte | how can i get PCI Bus ID when i type lspci its give me something like 00:1c.0 but xorg.conf has PCI 00:06:00 something like that .. lspci -X is not working.. could somebody let me know how can i get the PCI BUS ID |
| 22:22.06 | moshii | user01: LUGs are usally pretty mixed |
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| 22:22.14 | graytron | simonrvn: i prefer my own kernel for the time being :) |
| 22:22.34 | simonrvn | graytron: :). just FYIing =) |
| 22:22.35 | user01 | moshii: maybe they can help me with the high gain wifi aircrack thing |
| 22:23.04 | graytron | simonrvn: thanks though ;) |
| 22:23.05 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Go ahead and install it... it's useful to have, even if you already have a DNS server |
| 22:23.14 | moshii | user01: haha, they might be able to download packages for you and CDR them to you at least |
| 22:23.33 | Sebboh | user01, lugs are great. Just be sure to go to the post-meeting meeting, (it's like the regular meeting but with beer). |
| 22:23.46 | simonrvn | Sebboh: hehe |
| 22:23.53 | simonrvn | (it's true though =) |
| 22:24.08 | moshii | user01: can't you get HSDPA where you are? |
| 22:24.20 | r4mche | excuse me all, can i ask the question? |
| 22:24.31 | Wyzard | Sebboh: It also provides discovery of services -- if your browser supports Avahi integration (GNOME's Epiphany browser does), it'll automatically create bookmarks for Bonjour-supporting network devices like a printer or a TiVO |
| 22:24.31 | user01 | Sebboh: ah ok . . . thats when there is a use for some of those karaokee debs out there |
| 22:24.33 | simonrvn | r4mche: don't ask to ask, just ask ;) |
| 22:24.38 | moshii | user01: here you can buy a G3/HSDPA modem and get pretty good access out in the wildlife |
| 22:24.59 | r4mche | i have installed the debias 3,and thereis problem with it |
| 22:25.05 | xerophyte | what is the different between lspci 00:02.0 Display controller and 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller .. i have two video cards.. lspci display both cards at display controller but only one display as vga .. how can i get other card configured so i can setup the dual monitor ? |
| 22:25.14 | simonrvn | r4mche: um, why 3.x ? |
| 22:25.23 | user01 | moshii: i tried sprints evdo rev a and my download speed topped at 10 kbps |
| 22:25.30 | simonrvn | r4mche: current is 4.0r1 |
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| 22:25.35 | moshii | user01: ouchies |
| 22:25.59 | r4mche | when i have finished n reboot it,i look like hang.. |
| 22:26.04 | user01 | moshii: that was best case scenario with debian and sierrawireless drivers |
| 22:26.20 | user01 | moshii: windows with sprint software topped out at 3 |
| 22:26.35 | moshii | user01: Coverage must be better in Europe |
| 22:26.51 | jetscreamer | i inherited one of those sprint merlin cards, can i hack access? |
| 22:26.57 | user01 | moshii: oh it is . . . gsm networks definitely |
| 22:27.06 | r4mche | *but itry to boot from cd- so it can work |
| 22:27.09 | Wyzard | xerophyte: I believe the VGA controller is the card's generic interface (which you can use without any special drivers, because all OSes support it out-of-the-box, but doesn't provide any fancy features like acceleration), and the display controller is the card's "real" interface which its native driver talks to |
| 22:27.11 | moshii | user01: with the vodafone setup you can be in the mountains and it's still ok |
| 22:27.22 | Wyzard | xerophyte: I'm not certain of that though |
| 22:27.31 | moshii | user01: it's never amazing, but a long way off of dailup |
| 22:27.34 | user01 | moshii: in the mountains here around denver im sure it is too |
| 22:27.55 | simonrvn | !tell r4mche -about ask |
| 22:27.55 | xerophyte | Wyzard, hmmm should i configure the diplay conroller PCI then |
| 22:28.07 | user01 | moshii: but im in the state with 49th highest unemployment so i doubt it |
| 22:28.17 | Wyzard | xerophyte: You only need to specify a busID in your X configuration if you have more than one video card |
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| 22:28.31 | Wyzard | xerophyte: so each driver knows which one to talk to |
| 22:28.39 | user01 | moshii: 2nd highest unemployment i should say |
| 22:28.44 | moshii | user01: mm I nthe poorest part of the UK I was hooked up to 10mbit cable |
| 22:28.59 | Wyzard | xerophyte: If you only have one video card, the driver can figure out on its own that that's the one it should drive :-) |
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| 22:29.11 | cloakable | I've just reinstalled debian stable, with KDE, and most applications aren't running. Can anyone help? |
| 22:29.36 | moshii | cloakable: What applications, examples.. |
| 22:29.46 | user01 | moshii: well . . . not in city though |
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| 22:30.04 | moshii | cloakable: and try lunching them from a konsole and see what happens |
| 22:30.10 | cloakable | moshii: kmail, amarok, kopete |
| 22:30.14 | jetscreamer | lunching |
| 22:30.15 | user01 | poor people in the city nearby are getting free city wimax soon |
| 22:30.16 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 22:30.18 | cloakable | moshii: The command hangs |
| 22:30.34 | cloakable | It just sits there |
| 22:30.44 | moshii | cloakable: is there no output in the konsole? |
| 22:30.51 | moshii | user01: you need to move house |
| 22:30.51 | cloakable | No |
| 22:31.07 | cloakable | moshii: No output. |
| 22:31.17 | simonrvn | moshii: you eat amarok for breakfast? :) |
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| 22:31.24 | moshii | cloakable: look at top and see if anything is hanging, kde apps do lots of funky stuff on start up |
| 22:31.25 | user01 | moshii: well i knew it was a choice between internet and sharing a house with two 23 year old blondes |
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| 22:31.35 | moshii | cloakable: like mine all hang waiting for my ldap server |
| 22:31.38 | jetscreamer | and you chose internet? |
| 22:31.42 | jetscreamer | you need a life |
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| 22:31.50 | moshii | simonrvn: I like amarok, shame it keeps shitting on my ipod |
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| 22:31.57 | r4mche | my debian cannot work when my system restart |
| 22:31.59 | simonrvn | maybe blondes aren't his type ;p |
| 22:32.01 | user01 | jetscreamer: nope i chose the blondes i dont have internet |
| 22:32.17 | jetscreamer | ahh \o/ |
| 22:32.22 | moshii | user01: internet == more blondes |
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| 22:32.26 | user01 | its the weekend so i drove 30 minutes to find the closest point |
| 22:32.29 | moshii | user01: and internet women are less work |
| 22:32.38 | xaque | Is there a fancontrol replacement in apt? |
| 22:32.57 | cloakable | moshii: I'm running amarok in one tab of Konsole, and top in another. amarok appeared, then vanished. The command is still hanging in the other tab. |
| 22:33.18 | user01 | moshii: well it is a six month lease if it drives me crazy i suppose i can move again |
| 22:33.31 | moshii | cloakable: is there anything like famd munching away, look at top.. |
| 22:33.57 | R3dsh1ft | Having a problem getting X/Gnome to display the correct resolution. It's running out to a 37" HDTV, and I'm setting it to 1920x1080. At this resolution, it switches to 1920x540. I've tried 1280x720. At this resolution, it cuts some off of every side of the screen. |
| 22:34.07 | user01 | 6 months should give me time to organize all the data ive already collected maybe |
| 22:34.16 | moshii | user01: to be honest, not having the internet made me a lot happier.. I did a lot more |
| 22:34.24 | cloakable | moshii: cpu is 95% idle |
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| 22:34.36 | user01 | moshii: yes . . . i thought of this too |
| 22:34.45 | jetscreamer | moshii: me too.. been there |
| 22:35.05 | user01 | moshii: gives me time to learn about blondes and then i can come here on weekends |
| 22:35.09 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: when it cuts off the side, how much of each side? |
| 22:35.31 | xerophyte | could somebody convert this 06:00.1 to decimil .. i mean in the format PCI 00:00:00 ? |
| 22:35.32 | moshii | actually, the internet has caused me so much pain.. like I started using some shitty tcp/ip stack on the amiga and almost killed myself getting it working |
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| 22:35.39 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, not sure. ~200 pixels, maybe? |
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| 22:35.59 | Wyzard | xerophyte: Why are you trying to specify a busID for your video card? |
| 22:36.11 | \amethyst | xerophyte: 06:00:01 since those are all small numbers |
| 22:36.25 | cloakable | moshii: amarok just quit without opening a window |
| 22:36.28 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: but not a quarter of the screen on each side? |
| 22:36.31 | xerophyte | Wyzard, trying to setup dual head .. i have two video card |
| 22:36.35 | Wyzard | ok |
| 22:36.41 | xerophyte | \amethyst, thats what i put but it didn't work :( |
| 22:36.44 | moshii | cloakable: what kde package did you install? kde-core? |
| 22:36.45 | user01 | moshii: this will be like the old days when i had to deal with just the computer . . . much less security risks disconnected |
| 22:37.16 | \amethyst | xerophyte: could you put your lspci in a pastebin maybe? |
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| 22:37.23 | moshii | user01: yep, but then you get a plan.. today I'm going to do Y with my computer. Oh tits I need a package |
| 22:37.24 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, no. |
| 22:37.31 | xaque | A cron.d entry did not exist in /etc/crontab. Is this appropriate: * * * * * root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.d |
| 22:37.48 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: When you say "it switches to 1920x540", what do you mean exactly? The TV says it's in 1920x540, or X and the video card say they're in 1920x540? |
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| 22:37.53 | user01 | moshii: yeah i should probably download all of etch while im here |
| 22:37.58 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, the latter. |
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| 22:38.13 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: is it stretched vertically to fit the TV? |
| 22:38.15 | cloakable | moshii: tasksel install kde-desktop |
| 22:38.21 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, yeah. |
| 22:38.26 | moshii | user01: LUG peeps should be able to burn you some dvd's :) |
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| 22:38.49 | user01 | moshii: its the wikis and help docs ill miss |
| 22:38.53 | xerophyte | \amethyst, http://www.pastebin.ca/670651 |
| 22:38.55 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: anything in the Xorg logs about why 1920x1080 wasn't chosen? |
| 22:39.01 | user01 | and irc |
| 22:39.02 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, not that I saw. |
| 22:39.02 | Wyzard | R3dsh1ft: If you look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, there should be some messages printed by the driver while it was choosing a video mode |
| 22:39.26 | Wyzard | R3dsh1ft: What type of connection do you have to the TV? VGA? Or DVI/HDMI? |
| 22:39.36 | moshii | user01: But not reading Slashdot will make you less bitter, you'll be happy, smell flowers |
| 22:39.40 | R3dsh1ft | Wyzard, DVI to HDMI. |
| 22:39.43 | xerophyte | \amethyst, if you see that only VGA PCI busid work on one monitor when i change to "PCI:06:00:01" that does not work but "PCI:6:0:0" that works |
| 22:40.08 | xerophyte | Wyzard, thats my lspci output http://www.pastebin.ca/670651 |
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| 22:40.25 | moshii | cloakable: I've got a feeling dcop or something close to kde's guts isn't working |
| 22:40.43 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, okay, it says that every resolution that it tried was too large for the display. |
| 22:40.43 | bjorkimacg3 | bah. mplayer plays sounds but no videos :( |
| 22:40.44 | user01 | moshii: yes but then if i have something else i miss i wont be able to go on irc for you to comfort me about how happy i am without the internet |
| 22:40.44 | moshii | cloakable: have you tried logging out of kde and back in again? |
| 22:40.46 | bjorkimacg3 | what gives? |
| 22:40.55 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, then it determined the screen size to be 1920x540, and went with that. |
| 22:40.55 | cloakable | moshii: repeatedly |
| 22:41.10 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: can your TV do 1920x1080 progressive scan? |
| 22:41.21 | Wyzard | R3dsh1ft: Do you have any frequency ranges (HorizSync/VertRefresh) specified in xorg.conf? |
| 22:41.35 | moshii | cloakable: Do you not get the backtrace window when the application exits?>\ |
| 22:41.42 | xaque | the crontabs in /etc/cron.d are not being run. How do I fix this? |
| 22:41.49 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, ... shit, you're right. it can only do 1080i. That's why it gets cut in half. But when I do it on 1280x720, it chops off the outer edges. |
| 22:41.49 | moshii | user01: you can use irc on dailup |
| 22:41.58 | xerophyte | Wyzard, is there anyway to find out the screen HorizSync and vertRefresh just wondering form the shell |
| 22:41.59 | simonrvn | moshii: because the thing needs to be rebuilt as far as i can tell |
| 22:42.12 | simonrvn | moshii: amarok |
| 22:42.12 | user01 | moshii: i would have to get a phone line |
| 22:42.18 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: I'm not sure what's causing that... but for the 1080i thing, you probably need to add a modeline for the interlaced mode |
| 22:42.22 | Wyzard | xerophyte: You don't need them unless you have an old monitor... newer monitors have that info built-in, and the video driver can query it directly |
| 22:42.31 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: and make sure your vsync/hsync ranges are correct |
| 22:42.37 | moshii | simonrvn: amarok on cloakable's machine or just in general? |
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| 22:42.43 | Wyzard | No, don't specify hsync/vsync at all |
| 22:42.57 | Wyzard | An HDTV is recent enough that it can provide all those specs via DDC |
| 22:43.08 | simonrvn | moshii: in general. i just installed it, and hasn't worked since i installed it (yesterday) |
| 22:43.18 | cloakable | moshii: I get nothing :( It's horribly frustrating |
| 22:43.51 | user01 | user01: hmmm my grandmother still has a dialup account . . . do you think we could both be logged into the same account simutneously? |
| 22:43.52 | moshii | cloakable: The sort of problems you're having I've had when a drive is on it's way out and one of the libs is corrupt.. can you try reinstalling the packages in kde-core? |
| 22:44.04 | cloakable | moshii: sure |
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| 22:44.15 | gimmal | !java |
| 22:44.15 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
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| 22:44.25 | moshii | simonrvn: working fine here testing/unstable |
| 22:44.31 | simonrvn | moshii: not likely; i thought a lib update would help it, but not so |
| 22:44.34 | simonrvn | sid here |
| 22:44.54 | R3dsh1ft | \amethyst, how do i add a modeline for interlaceing? |
| 22:44.56 | gimmal | lag |
| 22:45.01 | cloakable | moshii: reinstalled kde-core |
| 22:45.01 | simonrvn | i'll pastebin the errors i get on start up |
| 22:45.02 | DustyBin | do some of you guys spend the whole day testing out libraries, configurations etc? |
| 22:45.17 | gimmal | dpkg: install java |
| 22:45.17 | dpkg | it has been said that install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk or sun-java6-jdk package from non-free if you're using ... |
| 22:45.23 | moshii | cloakable: the main thing is to make sure kdelibs etc are correct |
| 22:45.25 | \amethyst | R3dsh1ft: you'll have to find someone more knowledgeable than me... it's been a long time since I've messed with that stuff |
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| 22:45.35 | user01 | moshi: well for the moment i need to work on a debian nas solution |
| 22:45.38 | Wyzard | DustyBin: I run unstable so techincally I'm testing stuff all the time, but breakage is relatively uncommon |
| 22:45.40 | moshii | simonrvn: do you use amarok in kde? |
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| 22:46.09 | DustyBin | what kind of new stuff is in unstable? is kde4 in unstable? |
| 22:46.11 | moshii | user01: I think the efika will make a nice nas.. google it :) |
| 22:46.17 | user01 | moshii: ive just about used up 500 gb |
| 22:46.24 | simonrvn | moshii: http://pastebin.com/m6f0a3747 |
| 22:46.25 | cloakable | moshii: Doesn't the fact I'm running Konversation, etc in KDE mean that the libs are present? |
| 22:46.26 | Guerin | DustyBin: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:46.41 | simonrvn | user01: ^^^ |
| 22:46.56 | moshii | cloakable: yeah, but the kde libs are vast, it's strange that you don't get any output |
| 22:47.06 | DustyBin | do we really need new versions of packages, why dont the whole open source community freeze everything right now |
| 22:47.18 | cloakable | moshii: just reinstalled kdelibs, got nothing again |
| 22:47.19 | DustyBin | no more new packages of anything |
| 22:47.23 | simonrvn | cloakable, moshii: i'm suspecting some sort of build and present conflicts |
| 22:47.39 | Wyzard | DustyBin: KDE 4 isn't even finished yet, afaik |
| 22:47.52 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 22:47.57 | simonrvn | DustyBin: it isn't finished yet, it's still in alpha or beta |
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| 22:48.21 | moshii | simonrvn, cloakable: looks like kde/qt is broken |
| 22:48.31 | cloakable | moshii: in stable? |
| 22:48.46 | moshii | cloakable: should be fine in stable |
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| 22:49.01 | simonrvn | moshii: ya think? ;) |
| 22:49.01 | cloakable | moshii: That's what I'm running |
| 22:49.12 | DustyBin | how do you guys keep in touch with whats happening with linux software? the only way i find out if packages exist is with apt-cache search, are there any of resources i can read what tells you whats new etc |
| 22:49.32 | simonrvn | the relevant web sites |
| 22:49.34 | moshii | simonrvn: qt is broken by design, so blame qt |
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| 22:49.49 | moshii | simonrvn: cloakable is running stable though |
| 22:49.53 | Wyzard | DustyBin: aptitude tells you about newly-added packages after you do an update... that's a good way to keep on top of what's happening in Debian |
| 22:50.17 | DustyBin | aye ill check that out |
| 22:50.38 | DustyBin | back in the day i used to read zzap 64 and that told me about all the new games coming out |
| 22:50.53 | Wyzard | DustyBin: http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Linux_Weather_Forecast is interesting too, though it deals mainly with the kernel |
| 22:51.09 | DustyBin | aye thanks |
| 22:51.12 | moshii | cloakable: do you know how to get a failsafe session, the type with just a console window? |
| 22:51.17 | Wyzard | Slashdot mentions major stuff too |
| 22:51.18 | simonrvn | DustyBin: http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-4.0-features.html |
| 22:51.20 | user01 | moshii: thats like $500 with a case the efiga |
| 22:51.32 | simonrvn | DustyBin: that's just from a simple 'kde 4' google search |
| 22:51.41 | DustyBin | aye |
| 22:51.55 | DustyBin | i dont use google, its not open-source |
| 22:51.59 | cloakable | moshii: Yeah, sessions in kdm. But won't that cut me off from support? |
| 22:52.01 | moshii | cloakable: if you do startkde from there you will see a ton of output from kde and you should be able to discover what is going wrong |
| 22:52.14 | cloakable | moshii: okay. brb |
| 22:52.16 | user01 | DustyBin: what search engine is? |
| 22:52.19 | moshii | user01: the board is $99, or should be |
| 22:52.45 | DustyBin | user01: i wouldnt touch any search engines unless i found out one was open-source |
| 22:52.56 | Guerin | DustyBin: you don't get a copy of google, so its openness or otherwise is irrelevant to you. |
| 22:53.01 | moshii | user01: case it in a cornflake packet :) |
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| 22:53.05 | user01 | moshii: http://www.vesalia.com/e_efika.htm |
| 22:53.10 | stiv2k | !chan |
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| 22:54.06 | stiv2k | i have a problem, for some reason EVERY time i shut down or reboot my laptop it hangs at "Saving the system clock...." and I have to shut it off manually... why? |
| 22:54.12 | moshii | user01: https://www.pegasosppc.com/store.php?category=19 |
| 22:54.19 | user01 | DustyBin: so what search engine is opensource? |
| 22:54.22 | Guerin | stiv2k: probably a broken acpi or apm |
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| 22:54.31 | stiv2k | Guerin: how can i fix this |
| 22:54.35 | Wyzard | I don't think that's done by ACPI |
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| 22:54.47 | Guerin | i'm more interested in *why* a search engine's backend code should be open source |
| 22:54.54 | Iradigalesc | Is it possible to know the memory that a process is using? |
| 22:54.57 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Does it hang if you run "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop" manually? |
| 22:55.01 | Guerin | stiv2k: you'd need to verify what the matter is |
| 22:55.24 | Guerin | Iradigalesc: top, M |
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| 22:55.54 | \amethyst | Guerin: to keep the engine's rankings honest and transparent. Whether that's a good idea or not is still a question |
| 22:56.16 | \amethyst | of course, you can't verify that the code you get is the code that runs |
| 22:56.21 | Guerin | \amethyst: that can never be ascertained anyhow, so it's an irrelevant consideration. |
| 22:56.25 | Guerin | right |
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| 22:57.48 | user01 | moshii: does a cornflake box provide sufficient grounding? |
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| 22:58.13 | cloakable | moshii: 'startkde' crashes |
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| 22:58.23 | moshii | user01: just have to put some foil around the box |
| 22:58.36 | moshii | cloakable: did it spit anything out? |
| 22:58.43 | cloakable | moshii: KDE starts loading, then crashes back to kdm |
| 22:58.55 | stiv2k | Wyzard: doing that froze my system |
| 22:59.01 | cloakable | moshii: I think so, but i couldn't catch it |
| 22:59.04 | Iradigalesc | Guerin: Is the memory specified in KB? |
| 22:59.49 | cloakable | It crached before I could make it out |
| 23:00.16 | moshii | cloakable: have you tried logging as a different user? |
| 23:00.19 | DrMitch | anyone know of a program that'll do a batch lookup of mp3 files (artist and song) and return the album, track number, and genre? for some reason I lost id3 tags on 300 of my mp3s :-( |
| 23:00.28 | DustyBin | ive been using xfce for a few weeks now and have never been so happy. its as fast as fluxbox but not stupidly minimal like fluxbox, its small light-weight and is pretty darn solid |
| 23:00.36 | \amethyst | DrMitch: lookup how? |
| 23:00.45 | cloakable | moshii: I'm the only user |
| 23:01.00 | DrMitch | some id3 db on the internet |
| 23:01.29 | Wyzard | stiv2k: You can put HWCLOCKACCESS=no in /etc/default/rcS to disable use of the hardware clock... it's sort of a heavy-handed solution, but might work if you can't figure out why using hwclock hangs the system |
| 23:01.34 | cloakable | moshii: Just going to try 'shudder' root |
| 23:01.35 | moshii | cloakable: create a new user and try logging in. I think it's a library issue, but it could also be a bad conf file in the kde's next of user configs |
| 23:01.41 | Iradigalesc | Guerin: For instance 7603 iradigal 15 0 1141m 870m 3372 S 4 11.0 4:47.41 python2.5 means that these process is only using 11.0KB ? |
| 23:01.48 | stiv2k | Wyzard: how can i figure out why its doing that |
| 23:01.52 | stiv2k | isnt it a bad thing |
| 23:01.55 | moshii | cloakable: *kde's nest |
| 23:01.58 | stiv2k | does it need the hardware clock |
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| 23:04.06 | Wyzard | stiv2k: man hwclock... the "--directisa" option *might* help |
| 23:04.19 | stiv2k | ok |
| 23:05.15 | Wyzard | stiv2k: The documentation for it talks about Alpha systems, but elsewhere in the manpage it mentions that some of these Alphas have a non-working rtc driver "(a common symptom is hwclock hanging)" |
| 23:05.29 | Wyzard | stiv2k: I assume you're not on an Alpha box, but maybe your system has the same problem anyway |
| 23:06.20 | stiv2k | Wyzard: sure its worth a try |
| 23:06.37 | stiv2k | where do i specify that option |
| 23:06.42 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Actually, it looks like it uses the direct ISA method automatically if it can't access /dev/rtc, so maybe just blacklist the rtc module |
| 23:07.01 | Wyzard | stiv2k: To try it out, you'd run "hwclock --systohc --directisa" from a root shell |
| 23:07.11 | stiv2k | what about sudo |
| 23:07.17 | Wyzard | That's fine |
| 23:07.34 | adv3cate | I installed ntp to keep the system clock accurate. Looking at /etc/default/ntpdate didn't lead me to think that it would be contacting the entire world. http://security.pastebin.com/m55784678 |
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| 23:08.10 | Wyzard | adv3cate: pool.ntp.org is a round-robin DNS |
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| 23:08.49 | Wyzard | adv3cate: though that does seem like a lot of entries |
| 23:08.59 | adv3cate | Wyzard: I can see maybe three or four rounds to get a good sampling of various time servers... but looking at that route list surprised me more than a little. |
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| 23:09.50 | adv3cate | that's the route list immediately after ifup eth0. There aren't any other services running. That's all from ntp. |
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| 23:10.06 | thinkl | Can anyone tell me how to create a dependency on A or B in a .deb control file? I maintain an application that requires python bindings for sqlite -- I used to depend on pysqlite2 -- now with sqlite3 built into python2.5 I don't need to. I'd like to depend on python2.5 or pysqlite2. |
| 23:10.36 | Wyzard | adv3cate: weird... my system has only 20 entries for eth0, and it's been running for awhile (and I do run ntpd) |
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| 23:11.18 | adv3cate | Wyzard: That's somewhat to be expected. All of those route entries are removed within a minute or two and then the route list stabilizes to only those connections which are currently active. |
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| 23:12.07 | Wyzard | adv3cate: hmm, indeed... if I restart ntpd, it balloons to 118 |
| 23:13.13 | adv3cate | Not saying there's anything really nefarious going on--just that the general user's concept of ntp and scanning the config files wouldn't have led them to believe that, every time they brought their network interface up, they were contacting half the world with an "I'm here and online!" message. |
| 23:13.21 | stiv2k | Wyzard: that still freezes my system |
| 23:13.34 | Wyzard | stiv2k: dunno then, sorry |
| 23:13.41 | Gokee2 | Is there a easy way to find what comands a package provides? |
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| 23:13.48 | adv3cate | "ohno.mrbill.com"? Some of those IPs/domains look totally private. Who knows where those traffic logs go. |
| 23:13.55 | Wyzard | stiv2k: I'd just go with HWCLOCKACCESS=no in /etc/default/rcS, I guess |
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| 23:14.07 | stiv2k | Wyzard: is that giong to screw anything up on my computer |
| 23:14.09 | Wyzard | adv3cate: Anyone can join the pool |
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| 23:14.18 | user01 | moshii: hmmm efika has usb 1.1 not 2.0 |
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| 23:14.27 | NicNac | well that worked nicely :) |
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| 23:14.58 | moshii | user01: how about one of those linksys nas unit then? you can run debian on them :) |
| 23:15.09 | adv3cate | true... worth considering next time I hop on IRC and wonder "how the heck did so-and-so know I was here" though. |
| 23:15.09 | Wyzard | stiv2k: At shutdown, no... at startup it means the system won't try to load the current time from the hardware clock, though, so I'm not sure whether the kernel will have the correct time |
| 23:15.16 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Try it and see, I guess |
| 23:15.32 | Wyzard | stiv2k: It won't explode or ruin your system or anything... at worst, the clock will be wrong |
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| 23:15.41 | stiv2k | Wyzard: i have ntp set to synchronize |
| 23:15.45 | stiv2k | on its own in gnome |
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| 23:15.51 | stiv2k | so will that compensate |
| 23:15.56 | Wyzard | stiv2k: then maybe you don't need your hardware clock at all |
| 23:15.57 | xerophyte | \amethyst, are you still there .. sorry trying to fix this dual head its not workin g |
| 23:16.07 | stiv2k | heh |
| 23:16.10 | stiv2k | ill see how it goes |
| 23:16.12 | safemode | is there a reason why current debian unstable removed whatever device /dev entries are required to mount by label? |
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| 23:16.32 | NicNac | I want a dual cpu setup |
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| 23:16.59 | wols | why? just get a dualcore |
| 23:17.06 | Wyzard | safemode: AFAIK, mounting by label doesn't require special /dev entries |
| 23:17.08 | xerophyte | I have two vedio card in the box.. when i do lspci i get this http://www.pastebin.ca/670677 the ATI card has VGA option why does not the intel card does not have VGA .. i have configure the xorg.conf to have dual monitor .. the intel monitor does not work :( |
| 23:17.09 | stiv2k | dual-dual core |
| 23:17.11 | moshii | safemode: eh? I can mount by label |
| 23:17.17 | stiv2k | or dual quad core |
| 23:17.18 | stiv2k | ;) |
| 23:17.22 | NicNac | I like the idea of having two cpu's |
| 23:17.35 | Wyzard | safemode: You're talking about things like "LABEL=foo" in the device column in /etc/fstab, right? |
| 23:17.43 | xerophyte | \amethyst, do you know why does it missing the VGA entry in the lspci .. |
| 23:17.45 | moshii | stiv2k: quad cores connected to the same databus.. waste of time |
| 23:17.50 | xerophyte | Wyzard, any idea :( |
| 23:17.52 | wols | NicNac: intel likes that too: dual mobos cost $$$$ |
| 23:17.53 | stiv2k | moshii: why? |
| 23:18.01 | Wyzard | NicNac: A dual-core *is* two CPUs, just on a single piece of silicon so there's a faster communication path between them |
| 23:18.17 | NicNac | I've seen an old amd one on ebay going quite cheap |
| 23:18.18 | wols | stiv2k: cause the FSB is starved as it is. won't get better with more cores vying for bus time |
| 23:18.23 | safemode | mount: special device /dev/disk/by-label/backed_up does not exist |
| 23:18.31 | safemode | that's the errors i get now after a dist-upgrade |
| 23:18.39 | moshii | stiv2k: because current memory isn't multiported and the databus isn't that fast |
| 23:18.39 | safemode | no other change |
| 23:18.52 | stiv2k | wols: why dont they improve on the fsb to accomodate |
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| 23:19.02 | safemode | Wyzard: yes |
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| 23:19.12 | moshii | stiv2k: so unless you can keep the l2 caches full there will be a ton of waiting |
| 23:19.14 | Wyzard | AMD's HyperTransport helps address the bus-bandwidth problem, I believe |
| 23:19.16 | user01 | moshii: i thought that was just the linksys nas link > |
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| 23:19.23 | wols | stiv2k: cause RAM speeds are harder to increase than CPU clocks |
| 23:19.27 | Wyzard | If you have two CPU sockets, each has a dedicated path to half the RAM and can talk to it directly |
| 23:19.40 | wols | and making busses wider gets expensive rally really fast |
| 23:19.48 | Wyzard | so they can be used simultaneously |
| 23:19.55 | safemode | dual core amd procs have dedicated paths to the ram. intel's share |
| 23:20.16 | Wyzard | (and to talk to the "other" half of the RAM, you talk to the other processor's memory controller via HyperTransport, and it talks to its RAM on your behalf) |
| 23:20.42 | stiv2k | damn |
| 23:20.48 | safemode | so there are people using the latest debian unstable without udev and their mount by label is still working? |
| 23:20.51 | stiv2k | that is a complicated ass system they got going there |
| 23:20.51 | moshii | Wyzard: is the memory dual-ported then? |
| 23:21.06 | moshii | Wyzard: otherwise one cpu will be waiting on the memory |
| 23:21.35 | NicNac | I dont wanna spend major money I'm thinking of browsing ebay or something |
| 23:21.42 | moshii | what is really needed is multiple copies of memory, with write mirrored across all of them.. |
| 23:22.07 | wols | NicNac: a C2D starts at 90$ or so. that gives you dual core easily. AMDs are even cheaper |
| 23:22.15 | safemode | moshii: setup some ramdisks and raid them :) |
| 23:22.21 | Wyzard | moshii: I don't know the details, but I imagine if you have two DIMMs in a dual-channel configuration, one channel goes to each CPU |
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| 23:22.45 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.46 | moshii | Wyzard: but the cpu's share the same address space? |
| 23:22.53 | wols | Wyzard: what you talk makes no sense imho |
| 23:22.53 | moshii | Wyzard: otherwise it doesn't work |
| 23:23.07 | Wyzard | moshii: yeah |
| 23:23.14 | wols | moshii: NUMA. that starts with quad AMD sockets afaik |
| 23:23.32 | wols | but it'S still a single system image |
| 23:23.48 | moshii | Wyzard: so the os has to keep moving data around in memory to make it available to the right processor?? |
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| 23:24.21 | safemode | in a dual core system, it's exactly the same as an smp system as far as the OS is concerned, so no, it doesn't have to do anything special |
| 23:24.23 | Wyzard | moshii: No, each processor knows which range of addresses it can access directly, and which it has to go through the other processor to access |
| 23:24.42 | Wyzard | moshii: That's NUMA, as wols mentioned -- Non-Uniform Memory Access |
| 23:25.06 | moshii | Wyzard: sounds slow to me, and then one cpu has to tell the other to flush it's cache on writes |
| 23:25.19 | Wyzard | moshii: but as I said, I don't know the details of how it actually works on the motherboard |
| 23:25.35 | Wyzard | moshii: wols seems to think NUMA isn't used in a system with a single AMD X2 chip, and that could very well be true |
| 23:25.51 | wols | Wyzard: especially not in a dualcore chip |
| 23:26.07 | safemode | apparently debian uses /dev/disk for by-label mounting. i have no /dev/disk... and MAKEDEV says it doesn't know how to create it |
| 23:26.15 | wols | while the cores have separate caches, their bus and mem controller logic is shared |
| 23:26.29 | Wyzard | moshii: The other CPU would need to flush (the appropriate part of) its cache when something is written anyway |
| 23:26.40 | wols | intel otoh has a shared L2 cache for both cores |
| 23:26.57 | moshii | Wyzard: I have a feeling most current systems just have a controller to proxy requests to the memory, and at most times one is sitting waiting for access |
| 23:27.09 | wols | Wyzard: NUMA comes only into play with the big boards. the ones which have several memory banks at different places on the mobo |
| 23:27.19 | moshii | wols: which then allows one core to spy on the other.. |
| 23:27.20 | jetscreamer | safemode: it's all symlinks under there so it's probably not makedev you want |
| 23:27.21 | Wyzard | safemode: I just tried it on my system and mounting by label doesn't work here either |
| 23:27.24 | wols | there, each cpu has its own memory as you described |
| 23:27.39 | safemode | Wyzard: see, something got borked in unstable |
| 23:27.41 | Wyzard | wols: makes sense |
| 23:27.47 | wols | moshii: that always existed on SMP systems at least as far back as the PPRo |
| 23:27.48 | jetscreamer | UUID works fine |
| 23:27.50 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 23:27.59 | wols | GTL+ did that. google for "cache snooping" |
| 23:28.06 | moshii | wols: yeah, I know.. did this stuff at uni |
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| 23:28.15 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 23:28.37 | moshii | big SMP systems have cpu boards with a dedicated pile of ram on said cpu board |
| 23:28.43 | safemode | apparently debian has gone UDEV or no dev |
| 23:28.47 | wols | moshii: not x86 :) |
| 23:28.53 | safemode | goddamn udev |
| 23:28.58 | user01 | moshii: hmmm looking for something with usb 2.0 and ethernet |
| 23:29.09 | moshii | wols: yeah, x86 always has been "messed up" |
| 23:29.23 | Wyzard | safemode: What's wrong with udev? |
| 23:29.24 | moshii | wols: the core war has never been about performance |
| 23:29.27 | user01 | moshii: minipci maybe |
| 23:29.27 | simonrvn | i still keep udev off any servers i maintain. desktop/workstation i don't care |
| 23:29.36 | jetscreamer | udev sucks ass that's what's wrong with udev |
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| 23:29.42 | Wyzard | safemode: The current problem is just a misconfiguration in the unstable branch |
| 23:29.47 | Wyzard | udev on the whole works fine as far as I've seen |
| 23:29.56 | jetscreamer | try my computer |
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| 23:30.03 | wols | Wyzard: the problem of udev is a good idea implemtned horribly wrng :P |
| 23:30.11 | moshii | user01: should be able to find something.. or stump up the cash and get a netapp |
| 23:30.15 | simonrvn | wols: devfs was worse |
| 23:30.23 | jetscreamer | yeah it works fine with regular stock oem stuff, imo |
| 23:30.29 | wols | simonrvn: no argument. but that doesn't make udev any better :P |
| 23:30.32 | jetscreamer | most of the time |
| 23:30.40 | moshii | simonrvn: devfs was bad because they decided to just break the layout of dev |
| 23:30.55 | wols | simonrvn: the lack of docs about udev doesn't really help either |
| 23:30.59 | safemode | devfs and udev are both unecessary for 90% of the population |
| 23:31.07 | simonrvn | moshii: i see it more like bad implementation |
| 23:31.12 | safemode | plain old /dev works just fine when debian doesn't bork things like this |
| 23:31.23 | jetscreamer | install yaird before you try to uninstal udev if anybody cares |
| 23:31.28 | simonrvn | wols: i know. gotta do the RTSL stuff |
| 23:31.35 | wols | safemode: not in the age of usb sticks, mp3 players and the like. there udev is a necessity |
| 23:31.39 | moshii | /dev/computer/disc/somebus/computeragain/disc1/partion1/byte1/bit7 |
| 23:31.52 | simonrvn | oh please don't remind me |
| 23:31.53 | moshii | aaarh... |
| 23:31.58 | simonrvn | !lart moshii |
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| 23:32.04 | simonrvn | :P |
| 23:32.11 | moshii | udev does the same job as devfs without the stupid naming scheme |
| 23:32.19 | safemode | wols: most people aren't popping in usb sticks and such all the time, and IF i wanted, to, i could just label it and mount by label without udev |
| 23:32.28 | moshii | the job; make ls /dev look pretty |
| 23:32.36 | simonrvn | bit better i think, it doesn't depend on intrusive changes to the kernel, just hotplug |
| 23:32.50 | wols | safemode: they do it all the time. if it's not an sb stick it's their friend's digicam or mp3 player |
| 23:32.51 | cloakable | moshii: momentart sucess, then back to normal. Konversation won't even load now (I'm on my laptop) |
| 23:33.11 | moshii | cloakable: how did it go logging in as another user? |
| 23:33.18 | z0ran | strange thing hapend here, i have dvd with the music folders, now, i can play music from some of them, but most of them i can't even open, on windows i can play all music with no problem, never hapend before something like this, anyone have any idea what should i do, thank you |
| 23:33.27 | simonrvn | crap fucking mem leaks. crap. gotta find what's causing that |
| 23:33.48 | cloakable | moshii: it worked, so I deleted my .kde directory, which fixed the problem, tempoarily |
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| 23:33.55 | safemode | wols: despite the idealistic notion that there are all these crazy numbers of end users using linux, i think the majority of them are not oriented that way. so having a /dev that is just a /dev and doesn't need to handle hotplug events every 10 minutes is the norm. |
| 23:34.07 | moshii | cloakable: something is shitting in there then :/ |
| 23:34.24 | cloakable | moshii: I'm not sure what :/ |
| 23:34.41 | cloakable | It's something kde, though |
| 23:34.44 | moshii | cloakable: not running scim or another input server? |
| 23:34.56 | safemode | if i want my /dev clean looking, i'll delete everything i dont need. I'd just like to know why mount is pretending like it doesn't know how to mount by label anymore and insists on looking in a udev-type directory for it's info |
| 23:35.13 | cloakable | moshii: I'm not sure. I haven't started scim |
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| 23:36.11 | moshii | cloakable: I get badness from scim, I can't start skype with scim running.. we need to track down what's corrupting your kde confdir |
| 23:36.35 | user01 | moshii: grrr . . . this lug has to have the most annoying home page |
| 23:36.47 | user01 | moshii: www.grlug.org |
| 23:36.58 | simonrvn | moshii: fixed mine; rm'ed all the old amarok stuff ;) |
| 23:37.03 | moshii | user01: put does it have a valid xhtml logo? that's what counts! |
| 23:37.14 | eljefe | hello! I am trying to make a laptop slideshow picture frame. I have antiX (mepis with fluxbox) installed and some photos loaded, but I am having trouble with a few things: autologin, starting (dhclient3 eth0), *not* starting the Dillo welcome screen, and *yes* starting (feh -options)... |
| 23:37.19 | user01 | moshii: nope |
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| 23:37.42 | user01 | moshii: er cant tell it goes immediately to a wiki page |
| 23:37.43 | moshii | simonrvn: same problem as cloakable then.. kaffeine hosed my kde confdir before |
| 23:38.00 | cloakable | moshii: Yeah. I'm just deleting .kde and trying again |
| 23:38.01 | user01 | moshii: that hasnt been updated in several months |
| 23:38.26 | moshii | user01: get on their mailing list and see if there's any activity |
| 23:38.37 | simonrvn | moshii: using sqlite, maybe some weird thing about that *shrug* |
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| 23:39.00 | cloakable | moshii: it's just hanging on 'init system services' |
| 23:39.44 | moshii | simonrvn: same here, never had a problem with amarok. kopete crashes when amarok changes track though. |
| 23:39.56 | stoned | wow |
| 23:39.59 | stoned | you guys suck |
| 23:40.00 | stoned | ;) |
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| 23:40.05 | user01 | moshii: i got in trouble at work because i noticed that our corporate website page said xhtml 1.0 transitional and i ran it throught the w3c checker and it wasnt valid like 60 some errors so my boss said i would be put on discipline program the next time i did it |
| 23:40.06 | stoned | I am on sid and nothing ever crashes |
| 23:40.22 | dvs | stoned: you day will come! |
| 23:40.27 | dvs | *your |
| 23:40.33 | stoned | no it wont |
| 23:40.48 | moshii | cloakable: if you click the splash thing it disappears! control shift backspace is handy too |
| 23:40.54 | \amethyst | user01: sounds like you need a new job :) |
| 23:41.17 | user01 | \amethyst: yeah they said it was ITs job :P |
| 23:41.18 | moshii | stoned: install a CJK input server and try again |
| 23:41.39 | cloakable | moshii: yeah, and the I get a pretty wallpaper and nothing else. Resetting the xserver boots me back to kdm and the same situation |
| 23:41.43 | stoned | im gonna go take my clothes off |
| 23:41.48 | user01 | \amethyst: all i did was email them the w3c output |
| 23:41.49 | dvs | noooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 23:41.58 | stoned | even with the airconditioner at 65F I'm still burning up |
| 23:42.03 | stoned | and they wont' let me lower the temp |
| 23:42.05 | stoned | :( |
| 23:42.08 | snowbird | stoned give me pics il post you no cloths on y tube |
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| 23:42.34 | snowbird | stoned u sick go see doc |
| 23:42.43 | stoned | no |
| 23:42.46 | stoned | I'm just very hot |
| 23:42.50 | snowbird | lol |
| 23:42.51 | moshii | cloakable: gah, time to switch back to windowmaker |
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| 23:43.16 | snowbird | stoned i got my thermoter here for temp back end kind |
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| 23:43.24 | snowbird | stoned should work |
| 23:43.27 | user01 | \amethyst: but it was a reprimand because the page opened on my internet explorer the company runs so it shouldnt be an issue |
| 23:43.50 | safemode | what ancient computer are you running that you can take a nap while it builds? |
| 23:44.00 | NaufraGo | hi. I've udated my sources.list (apt) and now when I try to install some package, amsn for instances, it gives me this error; http://paste.debian.net/35423 |
| 23:44.03 | vlt | Hello. I try to umount a fs but get "device is busy". `lsof | grep mnt` is empty. What's going on here? |
| 23:44.09 | cloakable | moshii: does windowmaker have konqueror? :) |
| 23:44.15 | user01 | \amethyst: human resources and technology dont mix |
| 23:44.18 | Wyzard | vlt: fuser -m /mnt/foo |
| 23:44.28 | Wyzard | vlt: with /mnt/foo being wherever the filesystem is mounted |
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| 23:44.42 | moshii | cloakable: you can run kde applications outside of kde.. problem is that they still won't work if your kde confdir is broken |
| 23:44.52 | safemode | hrm.. one can only hope that this mount issue requiring /udev is a mistake .... |
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| 23:45.00 | user01 | \amethyst: and it people evidently dont like to be bothered with mistakes |
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| 23:45.10 | moshii | cloakable: when you start a kde app it starts dcop and all that other jazz, so you may as well be running kde |
| 23:45.21 | adv3cate | things take a wee bit longer to build when most of the debugging options are enabled. |
| 23:45.34 | stoned | foo |
| 23:45.42 | Wyzard | NaufraGo: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2 is a rather old version... looks like your system is running sarge and the package you're trying to install depends on a newer version from etch |
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| 23:45.58 | \amethyst | user01: meaning your company is pathological, even if typical |
| 23:46.04 | \amethyst | user01: :) |
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| 23:46.33 | foxmjay | Hi all, please where can i find linux-headers for kernel 2.6.20 , i just install it in an debian etch |
| 23:46.36 | user01 | \amethyst: well i suppose the it ppl have the bigger problems of using windows NT for OS |
| 23:46.58 | moshii | QNX FTW! |
| 23:47.00 | vlt | Wyzard: `fuser -m /mnt` is empty |
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| 23:47.02 | dvs | foxmjay: apt-cache search linux-headers |
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| 23:47.12 | vlt | Wyzard: device is still busy |
| 23:47.21 | TreasureHunter | hi, i triy runnin apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common module-assistant but E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 23:47.31 | Wyzard | vlt: and /mnt is exactly where the filesystem is mounted, according to the output of running "mount" ? |
| 23:47.32 | TreasureHunter | and i am using kernel 2.6 |
| 23:47.37 | \amethyst | foxmjay: where did you get kernel 2.6.20 from? |
| 23:47.43 | foxmjay | dvs,i didn't find for kernel 2.6.20, |
| 23:47.48 | vlt | Wyzard: /dev/hdb1 on /mnt type reiserfs (rw) |
| 23:47.49 | foxmjay | from kernel.org |
| 23:48.07 | Sebboh | wyzard, how do I get /etc/ethers to be automagically updated? :) |
| 23:48.12 | \amethyst | foxmjay: why 2.6.20 and not 2.6.21 or 22? |
| 23:48.16 | adv3cate | ethers! |
| 23:48.27 | dvs | !depends linux-headers-2.6 |
| 23:48.29 | NaufraGo | Wyzard so what do you suggest me to do? |
| 23:48.40 | dvs | !depends linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 23:48.43 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6-686: depends on linux-headers-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 23:48.45 | Wyzard | Sebboh: I don't know of any way to do that |
| 23:48.48 | Sebboh | ok |
| 23:48.50 | Sebboh | cool |
| 23:48.52 | dvs | !depends linux-headers-2.6-686 etch |
| 23:48.52 | dErFF | !nvidia |
| 23:48.52 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 23:48.56 | dpkg | linux-headers-2.6-686: depends on linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 23:48.57 | Wyzard | NaufraGo: upgrade to etch |
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| 23:49.01 | Arrick | hey all |
| 23:49.10 | cloakable | moshii: ...I've just poked /etc/network/interfaces. There's no lo device. Is that causing my problems with some of my apps? |
| 23:49.29 | NaufraGo | what are the differences between etch and sarge? |
| 23:49.30 | safemode | nvidia's prop driver doesn't like 2.6.23-rc3-mm1 even with the patch to make it compile. has an input/output error on /dev/nvidia0 reading |
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| 23:49.32 | moshii | cloakable: is there a lo in ifconfig -a |
| 23:49.34 | dvs | foxmjay: 2.6.20 does not exist as a package for etch |
| 23:49.39 | foxmjay | \amethyst, lol, i don't know :) |
| 23:49.45 | moshii | cloakable: dcop probably needs lo for communications.. |
| 23:49.47 | foxmjay | yes the default is 2.6.18 |
| 23:50.03 | foxmjay | but i just compile it and it work fine |
| 23:50.08 | GuySoft | hello all, when i start up my laptop, i have to run /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload to get sound, is there a way to do this automatically? |
| 23:50.22 | dvs | foxmjay: if you compiled it, you're on your own. |
| 23:50.42 | foxmjay | but why we found headers for others version ? |
| 23:51.04 | cloakable | moshii: I just added lo to the interfaces and bought it up. |
| 23:51.13 | \amethyst | foxmjay: you could do make-kpkg kernel_headers in your kernel source directory |
| 23:51.15 | cloakable | moshii: Problem solved XD |
| 23:51.16 | \amethyst | foxmjay: then install that |
| 23:51.21 | dvs | foxmjay: because they're for other versions of Debian, namely sid |
| 23:51.22 | moshii | cloakable: you might want to reboot.. a lot of stuff uses lo |
| 23:51.23 | adv3cate | --initrd |
| 23:51.30 | moshii | cloakable:really? yay! |
| 23:51.32 | cloakable | moshii: at least for Amarok |
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| 23:51.44 | Ash-Fox | Would anyone happen to have any idea on how to change the IP address of sub network devices without effecting the master. Such as changing eth0:1, eth0:2 without effecting eth0? I have tried 'macchanger', but that kept changing the IP addresses for all of those on eth0. |
| 23:51.45 | \amethyst | foxmjay: that's in the package "kernel-package" |
| 23:51.46 | cloakable | moshii: Testing other stuffs |
| 23:51.57 | foxmjay | dvs, ahh cool , with kernel_headers we get deb file |
| 23:51.59 | foxmjay | ? |
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| 23:52.15 | moshii | cloakable: Give it a reboot to make sure everyone else starts properly |
| 23:52.17 | dvs | foxmjay: if you use make-kpkg, yes |
| 23:52.20 | Wyzard | NaufraGo: etch is the current stable release, and sarge is the previous release which is now deprecated and eventually won't be supported anymore |
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| 23:52.36 | foxmjay | dvs, ok i'll try it |
| 23:52.36 | moshii | cloakable: the question is; where did lo go? |
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| 23:52.50 | NaufraGo | Wyzard, how do I upgrade to etch? |
| 23:52.50 | Wyzard | Ash-Fox: Use the "ip" tool (in the "iproute" package) rather than ifconfig |
| 23:52.53 | foxmjay | \amethyst, what kernel-package are you talking abouyt ? |
| 23:53.19 | \amethyst | foxmjay: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 23:53.19 | Wyzard | Ash-Fox: You can assign multiple IPs directoy to eth0; no need for the ugly-hack fake interfaces like eth0:1 |
| 23:53.30 | dvs | !kp foxmjay |
| 23:53.45 | dvs | @kp foxmjay |
| 23:53.49 | \amethyst | foxmjay: that will give you the make-kpkg command, which lets you build kernel image and/or header packages |
| 23:53.49 | Ash-Fox | It's not so much multiple IPs, I have a really stupid router that will not let me do static IP address assignments unless each IP address has a diferent mac address. |
| 23:54.15 | Wyzard | NaufraGo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 23:54.16 | foxmjay | \amethyst, ahh ok :) |
| 23:54.33 | foxmjay | \amethyst, i forget that i ve used to compile the kernel :) |
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| 23:54.59 | Wyzard | Ash-Fox: You said you're trying to change the IP address on your sub-interfaces... did you actually mean you want to change their MAC addresses? |
| 23:55.30 | cloakable | moshii: it was never there? |
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| 23:55.30 | Ash-Fox | Wyzard, whoops, sorry, yes, I meant change the MAC Addresses |
| 23:55.46 | moshii | cloakable: should have been created when you installed |
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| 23:55.58 | cloakable | moshii: afaik, lo is only needed for X, and that was installed later |
| 23:56.03 | pipeline_ | Ash-Fox: You need dummy interfaces |
| 23:56.05 | \amethyst | Ash-Fox: maybe something useful here http://kerneltrap.org/node/6523 |
| 23:56.17 | moshii | cloakable: lo is part of standard unix ipc iirc |
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| 23:56.23 | safemode | Wyzard: does debian not allow google to crawl their bugtracking list ? whenever i look up error messages and bugs all i get are ubuntu forums and lists. Obviously this mount issue is not just my system, since you can't mount by lable anymore either using the non-udev method. |
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| 23:56.36 | Ash-Fox | pipeline_, dummy interfaces like eth0:1 eth0:2? Those did not let me change their specific MAC addresses. |
| 23:56.43 | pipeline_ | moshii: standards don't care how you do the routing, you just need to have a 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:56.46 | pipeline_ | Ash-Fox: no, dummy is a device driver |
| 23:56.49 | dondelelcaro | safemode: we don't, no. However, my mirror is, and there is also a full text search engine for it already. |
| 23:56.58 | dondelelcaro | safemode: See bugs.debian.org |
| 23:56.59 | pipeline_ | Ash-Fox: eth0:1 and eth0:2 are aliases. They're layer 3 entities. |
| 23:56.59 | cloakable | moshii: well, it wasn't in there :P |
| 23:57.08 | pipeline_ | Ash-Fox: dummy will get you ethernet devices with their own mac addresses |
| 23:57.17 | Wyzard | Ash-Fox: That's not really "stupid" of your router, then... routers assign "static" IPs by recognizing your computer's MAC address and always giving it the same IP |
| 23:57.18 | moshii | pipeline_: and with no 127.0.0.1 there are going to be problems. |
| 23:57.35 | \amethyst | safemode: bugs.debian.org does in fact disallow crawling http://bugs.debian.org/robots.txt |
| 23:57.43 | Ash-Fox | Wyzard, no, this isn't DHCP related, this is actually static IP addresses on the internet :P |
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| 23:58.12 | Wyzard | Ash-Fox: Oh, so it's a real router, not a consumer NAT appliance? |
| 23:58.13 | pipeline_ | moshii: Yes... but there's no guarantee that a given unix will have an interface lo0 with that bound.. it just has to behave right for software to work. You could build that into your tcp/ip stack if you wanted ;) |
| 23:58.41 | Ash-Fox | Wyzard, well, I'd say it's a "home business" router, since it won't let me do advanced routing functionality. |
| 23:58.57 | moshii | pipeline_: i see. Debian/Linux apparently needs it :) |
| 23:59.12 | asdx | where can i get this kind of debian t-shirt? http://media.ruphy.org/2007/07/10-our-new-president2.jpeg |
| 23:59.31 | asdx | it looks awesome |
