| 00:00.04 | Wyzard | asdx: Thinkgeek might have shirts like that |
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| 00:00.18 | asdx | Wyzard: thanks |
| 00:00.20 | Wyzard | asdx: I have a polo shirt with the Debian swirl on it, and I think it came from Thinkgeek |
| 00:00.52 | Wyzard | asdx: You could also take the EPS file of the logo to a place that does custom printing, and they could probably put it on a shirt, though it might be a bit expensive for a small run |
| 00:00.52 | asdx | nice |
| 00:01.10 | Ash-Fox | \amethyst, reading through that kerneltrap post, I didn't see anything that would solve my situation |
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| 00:01.26 | triplc | hi all |
| 00:01.28 | asdx | Wyzard: cool, where do i get the EPS file? |
| 00:01.35 | TreasureHunter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.36 | TreasureHunter | :( |
| 00:01.48 | TreasureHunter | where can i get nvidia kernel..? |
| 00:02.00 | Wyzard | asdx: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 00:02.07 | safemode | well that's not very re-assuring. the last bug filed relating to mount and labels was in 2005 |
| 00:02.15 | asdx | Wyzard: thanks |
| 00:02.35 | safemode | everyone can't be using udev in debian land, who can stand initrd images and crap |
| 00:02.39 | moshii | safemode: you sure you labelled the fs? and the fs you're using supports labels? |
| 00:02.40 | Wyzard | asdx: (That's linked from the "miscellaneous" page that's linked from the sidebar on the front page) |
| 00:02.47 | safemode | it worked prior to apt-get dist-upgrading |
| 00:02.51 | safemode | afterwards it doesn't work |
| 00:02.55 | safemode | nothing changed at all other than that. |
| 00:02.56 | Wyzard | safemode: initrds don't bother me |
| 00:03.08 | safemode | everything was mounted by labels prior |
| 00:03.09 | asdx | Wyzard: ok i'll remember that |
| 00:03.12 | moshii | safemode: it's an initramfs now I think |
| 00:03.18 | safemode | eww |
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| 00:03.23 | Wyzard | safemode: It gets generated automatically when installing or upgrading a kernel, so it's unobtrusive |
| 00:03.27 | triplc | How to disable a device (default keyboard)? My laption (running Etch) has a mal-functioning keyboard. I am using an external keyboard, but the built-in keyboard keeps on "entering" strange keys. What command I can do so that to disable/stop that internal keyboard? |
| 00:03.34 | Wyzard | safemode: and it's needed for booting from RAID/LVM/dm-crypt anyway |
| 00:03.40 | triplc | Please tell me how, or drop me a hint. |
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| 00:03.47 | jelly-home | Ash-Fox: howzabout you create a bridge and put your dummy devices and your physical device into the same bridge |
| 00:03.54 | stiv2k | ok |
| 00:04.08 | stiv2k | Wyzard: now every time i boot my system sudo keeps telling me the clock is off |
| 00:04.09 | asdx | debian is awesome |
| 00:04.17 | stiv2k | and ntpdate reports an offset of 14406 seconds |
| 00:04.20 | stiv2k | =-o |
| 00:04.26 | \amethyst | TreasureHunter: install nvidia-kernel-source and do m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
| 00:04.28 | stiv2k | does anyone here know HAL very well???? |
| 00:04.32 | Ash-Fox | jelly-home, hm, interesting idea.. I'll go look up how to create tun (I have a feeling it's going to complicated) |
| 00:04.40 | moshii | safemode: what happens when you triy to mount by label? |
| 00:04.46 | safemode | after i dist-ugpraded, none of my filesystems would mount, all giving me the error that /dev/disk/* doesn't exist.. and it doesn't. MAKEDEV can't make it because it's a udev directory. I dont have udev installed, nor do i need it for anything |
| 00:04.49 | jelly-home | Ash-Fox: them put the physical device into promisc mode for it to catch it all |
| 00:04.52 | \amethyst | TreasureHunter: is this etch, lenny, or sid? |
| 00:04.58 | safemode | mount: special device /dev/disk/by-label/whatever does not exist. |
| 00:05.10 | Ash-Fox | jelly-home, how would I do that? And what does that mean? |
| 00:05.13 | jelly-home | Ash-Fox: google for say qemu or virtualbox, brctl and br0 |
| 00:05.16 | Wyzard | stiv2k: That's 4 hours... are you by any chance in a timezone that's 4 hours away from UTC? |
| 00:05.25 | stiv2k | uhh |
| 00:05.28 | stiv2k | Wyzard: i live in florida |
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| 00:05.40 | stiv2k | Wyzard: i think its -5 |
| 00:05.40 | safemode | est is -4 i believe |
| 00:05.42 | stiv2k | oh |
| 00:05.54 | safemode | maybe -5 who cares, heh. |
| 00:06.10 | moshii | safemode: so that part of dev isn't getting populated.. |
| 00:06.16 | Wyzard | stiv2k: EST is -4 during DST |
| 00:06.20 | moshii | safemode: are you running udev? |
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| 00:06.24 | jelly-home | Ash-Fox: ethernet device won't listen to traffic that wasn't sent to its MAC address if it's not in promisc mode |
| 00:06.25 | stiv2k | are we in DST right now?? |
| 00:06.29 | safemode | moshii: no |
| 00:06.34 | Wyzard | stiv2k: yes |
| 00:06.37 | stiv2k | ok |
| 00:06.47 | stiv2k | so.... how do i fix this time zone issue |
| 00:06.49 | Ash-Fox | jelly, ah, I see. |
| 00:06.52 | moshii | safemode: install udev then, it won't hurt |
| 00:06.56 | safemode | moshii: udev isn't installed, neither is any kernel that would require it. |
| 00:07.01 | triplc | How to disable a device (default keyboard)? My laption (running Etch) has a mal-functioning keyboard. I am using an external keyboard, but the built-in keyboard keeps on "entering" strange keys. What command I can do so that to disable/stop that internal keyboard? (sorry, this question is not quite interesting) |
| 00:07.06 | Wyzard | stiv2k: so what's probably happening is that the kernel is somehow getting the current time from the system clock, but not doing whatever timezone conversion that hwclock normally does when it loads the time |
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| 00:07.14 | safemode | moshii: why should i? it worked without udev up until the upgrade |
| 00:07.32 | stiv2k | Wyzard: uh huh |
| 00:07.36 | moshii | safemode: yes, but dev is static,.. so you need something dynamic to populate the labels bit |
| 00:07.49 | Wyzard | stiv2k: I imagine it's probably thinking the time in your system's clock is UTC, so it subtracts 4 to get local time |
| 00:07.54 | safemode | now i'll have some snotty little daemon in addition to all the other ones grepping for events spewed out by the kernel |
| 00:08.03 | safemode | moshii: it worked without udev ..so obviously it doesn't need it |
| 00:08.05 | safemode | to do the job |
| 00:08.06 | asdx | udev ftw |
| 00:08.06 | fas3r | hi everybody .. |
| 00:08.18 | moshii | safemode: maybe it was an old kernel with devfs enabled, or functionality somewhere else has been removed because it's now in udev |
| 00:08.25 | Wyzard | stiv2k: if this system doesn't dual-boot another OS that requires the hardware clock to be in local time (i.e. Windows), you could just go into the BIOS and set the clock 4 hours ahead, to UTC |
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| 00:08.31 | safemode | no ,unless 2.6.23-rc3-mm1 is old |
| 00:08.48 | TreasureHunter | i dunno, how can i check if its sid or lenny |
| 00:08.52 | safemode | and unless i somehow backported devfs to it and compiled it without knowing |
| 00:09.09 | stiv2k | Wyzard: i have windows xp |
| 00:09.11 | moshii | safemode: I'm think this, hotplug probably did it, now it's been decided it's udevs job |
| 00:09.12 | safemode | Nothing else changed but the dist-upgrade |
| 00:09.27 | moshii | safemode: *thinking |
| 00:09.36 | asdx | if i want to use the latest kernel in etch, what is the debian way of doing that |
| 00:09.50 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Or, you could set /etc/localtime to UTC, so the timezone the system thinks it's in is the same as the one it thinks the clock is in |
| 00:09.51 | safemode | hrm. so now i have to configure udev to do what was done automatically by hotplug |
| 00:09.56 | moshii | asdx: wait for it to be packaged or use make-kpkg |
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| 00:10.20 | stiv2k | Wyzard: why is keeping track of time so complicated on these machines |
| 00:10.22 | Wyzard | safemode: udev superseded hotplug long ago |
| 00:10.25 | moshii | safemode: don't know, it's all a guess but I have a feeling udev might fix it |
| 00:10.26 | \amethyst | safemode: what version of mount? |
| 00:10.28 | Wyzard | safemode: over a year ago, I believe |
| 00:10.35 | stiv2k | that's the purpose in having a hardware clock and a system clock |
| 00:10.36 | asdx | moshii: so when is packaged, it will appear when i update the system? |
| 00:10.40 | stiv2k | what's the purpsoe***** |
| 00:10.48 | safemode | the mount i was using was maybe 2-3 months old prior to dist-upgrading |
| 00:11.01 | safemode | i procrastinated by dist-upgrades for a while |
| 00:11.12 | moshii | asdx: yes, if you're running stable it won't appear until the next release however |
| 00:11.13 | \amethyst | safemode: I mean, what version are you running now? |
| 00:11.25 | safemode | mount (util-linux 2.13-rc3) |
| 00:11.28 | \amethyst | stiv2k: the hardware clock is there to keep track of time even when the computer is off |
| 00:11.29 | safemode | should be the latest unstable version |
| 00:11.37 | Wyzard | stiv2k: The system clock can be accessed more quickly (since it's part of the kernel, and not inside some special piece of hardware), so that's what's used while the system is running |
| 00:11.40 | asdx | moshii: and if i need the latest kernel in the current stable? |
| 00:11.49 | Wyzard | stiv2k: The hardware clock has a battery so it doesn't lose the time when the computer is powered off |
| 00:12.07 | stiv2k | Wyzard: i see |
| 00:12.13 | \amethyst | safemode: see if you can find version 2.13~rc2-3 and use that |
| 00:12.14 | stiv2k | so what time is the hardware clock supposed to have |
| 00:12.16 | stiv2k | UTC? |
| 00:12.18 | moshii | asdx: it'll probably break things running a new kernel in etch, because supporting utils are also "old" |
| 00:12.33 | Wyzard | stiv2k: so typically the kernel loads the time from the hardware clock during startup, uses the system clock (not touching the hardware clock at all) during normal operation, and saves the time from the system clock back to the hardware clock at shutdown |
| 00:12.53 | asdx | moshii: ok |
| 00:12.53 | \amethyst | safemode: the version after that was the one that moved from libblkid to libvolume-id |
| 00:13.01 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Setting the hardware clock to UTC is what's traditionally done on Unix systems |
| 00:13.11 | \amethyst | hey |
| 00:13.15 | obnauticus | Hey is there an rtorrent 0.7.6 debian package? |
| 00:13.17 | stiv2k | Wyzard: and on windows systems? |
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| 00:13.20 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Windows assumes the hardware clock is in local time, and AFAIk there's no way to change that |
| 00:13.23 | obnauticus | Because I can't get rtorrent 0.7.6 from aptitude |
| 00:13.32 | stiv2k | i see |
| 00:13.35 | zinx | Wyzard: no stable way |
| 00:13.48 | stiv2k | so perhaps the problem is that linux is tryign to set the clock to UTC time |
| 00:13.52 | moshii | asdx: The module loading/unloading tools for example could be incompatiable with a newer kernel |
| 00:13.55 | \amethyst | mount shouldn't be depending on libvolume-id0 given their current priorities |
| 00:13.55 | stiv2k | is that why it keeps hanging |
| 00:14.03 | asdx | moshii: yeah |
| 00:14.03 | moshii | asdx: and you'd be fecked :P |
| 00:14.04 | Wyzard | stiv2k: Debian can handle either -- set UTC=yes or UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS, and that controls whether it does timezone conversion when loading and saving the hardware clock |
| 00:14.17 | stiv2k | i see |
| 00:14.18 | asdx | module-init-tools |
| 00:14.19 | stiv2k | im going to try that |
| 00:14.29 | Wyzard | stiv2k: The hardware clock has no concept of timezones... there's nothing different about setting it to UTC rather than local time |
| 00:14.35 | Wyzard | stiv2k: It's just a different number being stored |
| 00:14.49 | Wyzard | stiv2k: If you waited 4 hours the hardware clock would contain that number anyway |
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| 00:15.13 | asdx | moshii: so the best way to go bleading edge is to upgrade the entire system to sid? |
| 00:15.13 | moshii | Wyzard: doesn't the windows move the hardware clock for daylight saving etc? |
| 00:15.38 | \amethyst | safemode: I'd suggest filing a bug report first, because there doesn't seem to be one yet |
| 00:15.39 | moshii | asdx: or lenny, which is 2 weeks behind and quite a bit safer |
| 00:15.47 | stiv2k | aight |
| 00:15.48 | asdx | moshii: alright, thanks |
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| 00:15.55 | stiv2k | forget about the clock talk |
| 00:15.59 | Wyzard | moshii: yeah, it does, which can lead to the clock being set wrong on a dual-boot system |
| 00:16.00 | asdx | moshii: but what about backports, isn't that meant for this purpose? |
| 00:16.00 | stiv2k | ill deal with it another time |
| 00:16.03 | safemode | \amethyst : the last version of mount in the debian pool dir is 2.12-r19 |
| 00:16.07 | stiv2k | i need help with HAL's scripts |
| 00:16.27 | stiv2k | ok, when i choose "hibernate" from the gnome shutdown menu, or if i press the hibernate button on my laptop |
| 00:16.31 | stiv2k | do they both call the same script |
| 00:16.34 | stiv2k | and what is it |
| 00:16.41 | stiv2k | assuming HAL is controlling all of this |
| 00:16.45 | moshii | asdx: yeah, but only really for applications.. if you're going to mess with something like the kernel you may as well just upgrade |
| 00:16.53 | Wyzard | moshii: If Linux is running when DST starts or ends, the hour in the hardware clock will be changed when you shutdown, so the hardware clock reflects the correct current local time |
| 00:16.59 | asdx | moshii: ok |
| 00:17.12 | Wyzard | moshii: and then Windows starts up, doesn't know that the hardware clock has already been adjusted for DST, and adjusts it again |
| 00:17.22 | moshii | Wyzard: what a mess |
| 00:17.43 | jelly-home | Wyzard: you can tell Windows to ask you instead of updating automtically, though |
| 00:18.08 | Wyzard | moshii: Even on a system that only runs Linux, you can have similar issues if you don't do a clean shutdown after a DST change -- the adjusted time never gets written to the hardware clock |
| 00:18.22 | asdx | wlll lenny include kde4? :p |
| 00:18.46 | Wyzard | That's why it's better to leave the hardware clock in UTC, which doesn't jump around like that |
| 00:18.51 | safemode | that work.ed |
| 00:18.53 | safemode | ack worked |
| 00:18.56 | jelly-home | asdx: will KDE4 be about in a year? |
| 00:18.58 | moshii | Wyzard: I thought in UTC mode the hardware clock is constant and timezone + daylight saving is added in software? |
| 00:18.59 | safemode | dowgrading mount fixes the label issue |
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| 00:19.05 | jelly-home | s/about/out/ |
| 00:19.05 | Wyzard | moshii: yep |
| 00:19.35 | asdx | jelly-home: october 27 of this year iirc |
| 00:19.39 | moshii | asdx: kde4 is far from ready.. beta 1 is out though |
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| 00:20.11 | moshii | asdx: but I won't be running it until the first point release |
| 00:20.42 | gonzaloaf | hi,why when I leave a cd inside the cd-rom drive and the reboot it auto mounts with root privileges? |
| 00:20.50 | \amethyst | safemode: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/07/29/debian/pool/main/u/util-linux/mount_2.13~rc2-3_i386.deb |
| 00:21.10 | asdx | heh |
| 00:21.19 | moshii | Wyzard: I've never really had the problem of having windows access the clock.. because none of my machines have had windows boot on the real hardware |
| 00:21.30 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: does the cdrom entry in /etc/fstab have "noauto" in the options column? |
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| 00:22.12 | Wyzard | moshii: I just disable the automatic clock adjustment in Windows on my gaming box, and I don't run Windows at all on my main desktop |
| 00:22.24 | \amethyst | safemode: It's worth filing a bug... the change is less than a month old and the maintainers might not even know that they broken mount-by-label on non-udev systems |
| 00:22.32 | \amethyst | s/broken/broke/ |
| 00:22.56 | Sebboh | I disabled DHCP on my router applicance.. and installed dnsmasq on a system.. my debian machine can't get an ip address... How do I diagnose this problem? Machines are connected via the router. |
| 00:23.03 | moshii | \amethyst: everyone should run udev dammit! |
| 00:23.14 | \amethyst | safemode: since mount is priority: required and libvolume-id0 is priority: optional, you can pull that card too :) |
| 00:23.23 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Use wireshark to look at the DHCP traffic |
| 00:23.32 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, nop it has auto |
| 00:23.38 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: that's why |
| 00:24.13 | Sebboh | wtf the dhcp box is very, very small. :( I don't like the idea of install tcpdump and crap on there. |
| 00:24.16 | Sebboh | oh well. |
| 00:24.35 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: noauto means "don't mount it when mount -a happens", and mount -a happens during the boot process |
| 00:24.35 | Wyzard | Sebboh: You can put it on the client PC |
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| 00:25.08 | Sebboh | Wyzard, I'll just skip the UI, I know how to write a filter rule. ;) |
| 00:25.29 | Sebboh | Is DHCP udp throughout the conversation? |
| 00:25.39 | \amethyst | moshii: until it's priority: required, it's a bug if it breaks mount (and mount by device name is inherently broken :) |
| 00:25.43 | Wyzard | Sebboh: If you're using plain tcpdump, you might be interested in the "dhcpdump" package |
| 00:25.50 | \amethyst | moshii: err, if its absence breaks mount |
| 00:25.54 | Sebboh | Wyzard, you're a wizard. |
| 00:25.57 | moshii | \amethyst: this is in unstable right? |
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| 00:26.09 | \amethyst | moshii: yes |
| 00:26.18 | moshii | \amethyst: If I was the maintainer I would make mount depend on udev then |
| 00:26.23 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, I want it to auto mount but not with root privileges |
| 00:26.28 | Wyzard | Sebboh: It's a filter that you run tcpdump's output through (tell tcpdump to output raw packets, rather than a human-readable summary) and it shows you detailed information about the DHCP messages |
| 00:26.41 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: you want it to mount on boot as some other user? |
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| 00:27.07 | fas3r | i need some help over here .. :p |
| 00:27.15 | \amethyst | moshii: mount isn't supposed to depend on something with a lower priority... since the change that broke safemode's setup, it has anyway though |
| 00:27.17 | safemode | Amethyst: argh.. i downgraded prior to bug reporting |
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| 00:27.40 | \amethyst | safemode: upgrade, report, downgrade again :) |
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| 00:27.48 | safemode | Amethyst: guess so |
| 00:27.52 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, yes, I want it to auto mount as the user that log on |
| 00:27.55 | Sebboh | Wyzard, ok, the packets from the machine upstairs are not making it all the way to the dhcp box. ....which is inside a virtual machine. I don't think that that is the problem, though, it uses a bridge and I bet that it works just fine. I don't think that the router is forwarding the dhcp through it. |
| 00:28.19 | Sebboh | is that possible? It's a linksys wrtg54g. |
| 00:28.32 | Sebboh | s/g5/g/ |
| 00:28.44 | Sebboh | s/g5/54/ |
| 00:28.45 | Sebboh | ;P |
| 00:28.47 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Your new DHCP server is on the *outside* of the router? |
| 00:28.52 | Wyzard | Sebboh: That certainly won't work |
| 00:28.56 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: auto isn't what you want, then, because that happens early in boot, before anyone is logged in |
| 00:29.51 | Wyzard | Sebboh: However, you could install OpenWRT (custom Linux firmware) on the Linksys device, and run dnsmasq right there :-) |
| 00:30.11 | Sebboh | forget all those s/ statements, btw, I screwed up on the fix to the fix.. Anyway, Wyzard, the dhcp server is plugged into the switch side of the router; the PC is plugged in there, too, they are peers. |
| 00:30.12 | ix | if you *want* it to be behind the user, you might want dhcp3-relay. |
| 00:30.23 | ix | s/user/router/ |
| 00:30.37 | Sebboh | Wyzard, yes, I could do that, but, that project would be harder to justify as billable hours. ;) |
| 00:31.28 | Wyzard | Sebboh: OK, so the PC and the new DHCP server are both plugged into LAN ports on the Linksys device? |
| 00:31.48 | Sebboh | anyway, the wrt54g is the new model that has half as much ram.. only a subset of OpenWRT stuff works on it. |
| 00:31.49 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Those LAN ports are just a switch; that traffic doesn't go "through" the router at all |
| 00:31.56 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
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| 00:33.07 | Sebboh | Wyzard, yes, both are plugged into the switch part of the router. However.. The dhcp server is inside a virtual machine.. The virtual network interface is bridged with the physical one.. Now, that shouldn't be a problem, you know? Because, the physical device is in promiscious mode.. |
| 00:33.20 | Sebboh | :) |
| 00:33.29 | Wyzard | Sebboh: What type of virtual machine? (VMware, Xen, etc.) |
| 00:33.32 | Sebboh | Xen |
| 00:33.37 | Sebboh | HVM |
| 00:33.50 | Wyzard | HVM isn't used for running Linux in Xen |
| 00:33.58 | Sebboh | it is now? |
| 00:34.03 | Wyzard | nope |
| 00:34.03 | Sebboh | I mean, I just did.. |
| 00:34.13 | Wyzard | not unless you're using an "ordinary" Linux kernel, as opposed to a -xen patched kernel |
| 00:34.18 | Wyzard | which would be sort of silly |
| 00:34.19 | Sebboh | yeah, pretty sure I used the HVMLo-- yes, exactly. |
| 00:34.43 | Sebboh | well, what's the difference? Since the machine supports hardware virtualization... |
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| 00:35.07 | fas3r | i have problem with radius EAP / TLS ... all configuration is good local test is good , user test ( with NTRadPing ) work great, no error message on log file ... |
| 00:35.10 | Wyzard | HVM is just a more efficient way to trap privileged operations that the OS tries to do, so the hypervisor can handle them instead |
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| 00:35.29 | Wyzard | XenoLinux (the Xen patched kernel) doesn't even try to do the privileged operations in the first place; it just talks to the hypervisor directly |
| 00:35.31 | Wyzard | It's more efficient |
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| 00:36.00 | Wyzard | Debian has -xen kernels packaged, which work as both dom0 and domU |
| 00:36.02 | fas3r | but when i want to connect with certificat it's failed ... it don't want to connect on freeradius and i haven't any error message in log |
| 00:36.07 | Sebboh | Wyzard, I want all the virtual machines to be as similar to real machines as possible, because they will become real machines later when we roll into production... |
| 00:36.43 | Sebboh | I can take these hdd images and boot them on physical hardware with zero changes. (except adding modules for hardware) |
| 00:36.54 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:37.08 | Sebboh | And since I'm using stock kernels, hell, most modules are there already. network device, etc. |
| 00:37.12 | Wyzard | In that case you might want to look into VMware Server, which does a more polished job of simulating an entire real computer |
| 00:37.16 | reiser2 | Hi, how can i delete a directory with sub-directopry and files using FTP command mdelete ? |
| 00:37.28 | Wyzard | Anyway, my DHCP server runs in a (non-HVM) Xen domU, and it works fine |
| 00:37.29 | Sebboh | Anywho! I'll try running dhcpdump on dom0 real quick and see what happens. |
| 00:37.45 | Sebboh | ok, good. that's what I'd like, too. |
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| 00:38.00 | Wyzard | so maybe it's a problem with Xen's HVM network support |
| 00:38.29 | Wyzard | since (AFAIK) it has to simulate a real network card in that case |
| 00:38.50 | Sebboh | I don't get that impression. The way they handled the virtual network interfaces in 3.0 is really quite sharp, once I understood how it works... |
| 00:38.56 | vlt | Hello. I got a strange NFS problem. On the server I export /home/vlt, on the client I mount it on /home/vlt. I can access all files and directories there. Only one directory is empty which has lots of files in it on the server's /home/vlt (which is a mount from a different source). Any idea why and how to solve it? |
| 00:39.13 | vlt | When the client creates files in that directory I can't see them on the server. I need to unmount the device from that mountpoint on the server to let the just created files appear. |
| 00:39.22 | cast | vlt: you can't have nested mounts in your exported NFS dir |
| 00:39.32 | Wyzard | I don't mean the vif/veth stuff, I mean the actual network "card" in the domU virtual machine |
| 00:39.43 | fas3r | nobody have idea ?? |
| 00:39.43 | vlt | cast: How is this solved usually? |
| 00:40.02 | Wyzard | XenoLinux uses a special paravirtualized network driver that talks directly to the hypervisor |
| 00:40.10 | cast | vlt: dunno, i think you have write two export lines and two fstab lines |
| 00:40.14 | Sebboh | Wyzard, it does simulate a network card, in domU. But then, it simulates it in dom0, too, and I can choose what to do with it from there. I bridged it with eth0, and all my domUs were able to get an IP from the router, etc. |
| 00:40.23 | Wyzard | but an HVM guest uses a network driver for a "real" network card on the PCI bus |
| 00:40.36 | cast | vlt: NFSv4 is supposed to have this issue fixed, |
| 00:40.45 | Wyzard | so Xen has to intercept the driver's use of the PCI bus and simulate the responses the real PCI card would give |
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| 00:41.12 | vlt | cast: hmmm, doesn't sound like the perfect designed system, does it? |
| 00:41.13 | safemode | there we go |
| 00:41.16 | safemode | bug report sent |
| 00:41.17 | Wyzard | dom0 is using the paravirtualized network driver |
| 00:41.29 | Sebboh | Wyzard, well, xen doesn't do that, qemu does. they borrowed qemu's experience with simulating hardware... |
| 00:42.09 | Wyzard | fair enough -- I forgot Xen uses parts of qemu for its non-paravirtualized guests |
| 00:42.19 | Sebboh | dom0's peth0 is the real eth0.. And it stays how it is. But then I create a bridge.. and mix real and virtual devices in there. |
| 00:42.20 | cast | vlt: yeah, if people could design things perfectly we'd only be up to NFSv1 |
| 00:42.41 | vlt | cast: That means, if I add a new data source into the servers exported tree I have to add it manually on all clients?!? |
| 00:42.54 | Wyzard | Does dom0 see the DHCP packets? |
| 00:43.34 | Sebboh | dom0 does not see the dhcp packets. |
| 00:43.37 | mzb_d800__ | vlt: move to nfsv4 ... you can have a single export with (changing) nested mounts |
| 00:43.48 | reiser2 | Hi, how can i delete a directory with sub-directopry and files using FTP command mdelete ? |
| 00:44.03 | Wyzard | OK, then the issue is not with your HVM domU |
| 00:44.10 | Wyzard | Maybe the bridge is set up wrong? |
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| 00:45.07 | Wyzard | Were you running tcpdump on xenbr0, or on peth0 directly? |
| 00:45.08 | vlt | mzb_d800: Is nfsv4 available for Debian somewhere? Or do I need a new kernel for it? |
| 00:45.27 | cast | vlt: its in etch |
| 00:46.09 | vlt | Aaah, another reason to upgrade soon ... |
| 00:46.22 | Sebboh | Wyzard, I've used bridges for a while, and found them to be pretty reliable. In fact, the bridging is done on the NIC itself when possible. (Not today, obviously, since some of the members aren't physical.) |
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| 00:46.38 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Also, do you have a firewall in effect on dom0? |
| 00:46.52 | \amethyst | vlt: what about the nohide option? |
| 00:46.55 | Sebboh | Wyzard I have been using dhcpdump incorrectly. I'll take a moment to try again and let you know. |
| 00:46.55 | Kaiten4 | How would I scramble my mac addresses on debian? |
| 00:46.58 | mzb_d800 | nfsv4 works a bit differently, so do it in stages ;) ... take a look at the crossmnt option |
| 00:47.06 | cast | Kaiten4: you don't bother. |
| 00:47.09 | Sebboh | no fw, ever.. Never understood the point of fw.. |
| 00:47.13 | Kaiten4 | cast: Why? |
| 00:47.41 | cast | Kaiten4: what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 00:47.49 | vlt | \amethyst: 'll have to check ... |
| 00:47.50 | Wyzard | Sebboh: When I set up my Xen router I was surprised to find that traffic passing through the xenbr0 bridge passes through iptables on dom0 |
| 00:48.04 | \amethyst | vlt: hmm, says it only works for single-host exports |
| 00:48.22 | Kaiten4 | cast: I don't want my hardware linked to my network activity in class, and I want it to change so there won't be a pattern |
| 00:48.44 | Wyzard | Sebboh: I have a restrictive firewall in my dom0, so I had to add a rule saying to allow all packets from xenbr0 to xenbr0, or the domUs were unable to communicate with the outside world |
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| 00:49.07 | vlt | \amethyst: Can I have multiple single host exports? |
| 00:49.48 | Sebboh | Wyzard, the do-the-bridge-on-the-nic option prevents the fw from mucking with the bridge, but, again I doubt that that option works for us. |
| 00:49.52 | Kaiten4 | I bet cast works for the government. |
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| 00:50.26 | cast | cast suggests you don't worry. |
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| 00:50.47 | Sebboh | Wyzard, now that I'm using dhcpdump correctly, I see that domU does receive dhcp requests, and fails to respond. I'll have a look at the syslog (I was assuming that the packets were never reaching domU) |
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| 00:51.08 | Kaiten4 | Yes. You're right. There's no need for useless paranoia. I won't scramble my mac. |
| 00:51.10 | safemode | bah. stupid reportbug doesn't let you set the priority to severe unless you know the exact section of the pkg code it violates |
| 00:51.12 | \amethyst | vlt: yes you can |
| 00:51.20 | safemode | so now my report is "normal" even though it's really severe |
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| 00:51.59 | safemode | since it breaks pkg guidelines twice ...once with the libvolume-id being optional, the other with it requiring udev to generate the stuff libvolume-id uses |
| 00:52.04 | Sebboh | Kaiten4, what, are you doing NBT traffic on the net? How else would anyone see your client's mac? |
| 00:52.26 | sid | I'm looking for an issue tracker, with tickets etc. For tracking marketing/sales/tech support, integration with fedex or ups, and some kind of inventory system. anyone know of such a system? a free/libre one |
| 00:52.45 | vlt | \amethyst: Can't find anything in the manpages about where and how to set "nohide". |
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| 00:53.00 | Kaiten4 | Sebboh: That's not an issue I'd like to discuss with you, rather, I want that last once of security |
| 00:53.05 | biz | 50 km einfach von hier im letzten wald |
| 00:53.15 | biz | sorry. |
| 00:53.33 | Sebboh | sid, I find that 37signal's services, although not free, are so indespensible that I must pay for them. When I finish with this client, I'm going to clone their services for my own internal use, if I can manage to do so... |
| 00:53.35 | \amethyst | safemode: section 2.5: "Packages must not depend on packages with lower priority values..." |
| 00:53.50 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: You're aware that your MAC address is only visible on the local LAN segment, right? |
| 00:54.05 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: Not anywhere else on the Internet |
| 00:54.09 | Kaiten4 | Wyzard: Which is what I'm connecting through |
| 00:54.15 | markybob | my laptop is overheating constantly with 2.6.22-1-amd64 stock kernel. however, i dont seem able to set the trip points in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points with the old echo method anymore. what's the new way of setting trip_points? |
| 00:54.26 | Sebboh | Wyzard, maybe Kaiten4 isn't setting up a desktop, maybe he/she's setting up a mobile PC of sorts.. :) And painting it black... |
| 00:54.31 | Kaiten4 | Wyzard: The internet is not my concern, using the internet and getting out of the lan is |
| 00:54.41 | jetscreamer | ok so xinit startkde works, but how do i start gnome and icewm |
| 00:54.44 | Kaiten4 | Sebboh: it's grey |
| 00:54.48 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: *Segment*, in the Ethernet sense... whatever group of computers is connected together with switches, probably a floor or two of a building |
| 00:54.51 | Wyzard | not an entire campus LAN |
| 00:54.52 | sid | Sebboh: Have you seen http://en.vtiger.com/ ? |
| 00:54.56 | dbldtx | http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7055/screenshotwallpapergr6.jpg |
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| 00:55.23 | Sebboh | sid, nope. I'll take a look |
| 00:55.23 | Kaiten4 | Wyzard: Yes we're all connected, I bring my computer to class, and I don't want them to know any of my macs |
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| 00:55.38 | dbldtx | All I need is is proper ATI support and I'll be rather excited, what! Thank you DEBIAN! |
| 00:55.42 | Kaiten4 | Wyzard: who's to say that the administrators aren't checking my traffic? |
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| 00:56.10 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: Changing your MAC won't prevent them from checking your traffic |
| 00:56.15 | Kaiten4 | I don't want to be in here anymore than possible this being outside of tor |
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| 00:56.41 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: I was going to say to just encrypt your traffic |
| 00:56.50 | Kaiten4 | Wyzard: I've aleardy solved that pattern, now I don't want them to trace it to my computer as opposed to the other computers |
| 00:57.06 | Sebboh | Kaiten4, whatever floats your boat.. I bet that your system has a lot more identifyable characteristics than your MAC. The hardest of those to hide is your surfing habits.. Your IM/IRC/email account names. *shrug* The trick to not being found is to not be looked for. Don't do anything bad. |
| 00:57.07 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: If you're using Tor then it doesn't really matter if someone can see that your Ethernet card is talking to a Tor node |
| 00:57.39 | dbldtx | Set in such a way, if you can't tell that if you slide your mouse off the desktop or drag an x11 it moves to the next it's so beautiful I found a minimilist beauty behind KDE Gnome.Behold XFCE4 |
| 00:57.57 | Sebboh | Kaiten4, how many people on campus/whatever are using tor? =P |
| 00:58.17 | Kaiten4 | the instructor |
| 00:58.25 | Kaiten4 | Sebboh: we all know he's a little weird anyways |
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| 00:58.47 | Sebboh | Kaiten4, so the admins will know that it was you or him. Way to hide.. ;P Good luck. |
| 00:59.00 | Kaiten4 | Sebboh: they won't really know who uses tor on their wifi unless I go around talking about it |
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| 00:59.05 | cust | hi |
| 00:59.06 | vlt | Hello. When I grep "nohide" in all files belonging to nfs-kernel-server I get a match for /usr/share/man/man5/exports.5.gz. But this is not the file I see when I run `man 5 exports`. Any idea what's wrong here? |
| 00:59.11 | cust | alguem fala portugues aqui? |
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| 00:59.22 | Sebboh | Kaiten4!! and his mac is probably static, do the will know that it was you. :) |
| 00:59.55 | \amethyst | vlt: does searching for "IRIX" find it? |
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| 00:59.59 | Kaiten4 | ugh |
| 01:00.07 | cust | alguem fala portugues aqui? |
| 01:00.09 | Kaiten4 | then I'll just spoof his |
| 01:00.10 | xjkx | There are times my samba works and there are times it doesn't work, when I boot it keeps not working for sometime, then suddenly, it works. If I reboot i will have it not working for another time, i don't have a clue of what the problem is, anyone ever had such thing? |
| 01:00.17 | Sebboh | s/do the/so they/ |
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| 01:00.31 | cust | do you speck brazilian? |
| 01:00.37 | Sebboh | !br |
| 01:00.37 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:00.42 | asdx | cust: eu falo um pouco |
| 01:00.44 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: That'll interfere with his traffic -- if he reports connectivity problems, you'd be more likely to have admins investigating |
| 01:00.50 | xjkx | cust: i do |
| 01:00.58 | cust | !br |
| 01:00.58 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:00.59 | xjkx | Eu sou brasileiro |
| 01:01.05 | Kaiten4 | Wyzard: what do you suggest I do? |
| 01:01.10 | cust | ok |
| 01:01.16 | cust | tankyou |
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| 01:01.46 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: I suggest that there's not much point in changing your MAC address |
| 01:02.08 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: It won't make it any harder for someone to figure out whose computer is sending the traffic |
| 01:02.21 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 01:02.21 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:02.36 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 01:02.37 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: All it'll do is, *if* they figure out it's yours, make it harder for them to confirm it, because the MAC will be different from the default one built into your card |
| 01:02.37 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 01:02.40 | xjkx | wtf :P |
| 01:03.08 | Kaiten4 | Wyzard: maybe that'll make me happy |
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| 01:03.24 | Sebboh | Kaiten4, don't get on the internet! There is absolutely zero way for you to, say, visit website X without everybody between you and X knowing about it. Sure you can confuse them a bit with TOR.. But in the end, the connection between the TOR node and website X is unencrypted. X can read its logs... |
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| 01:04.03 | vlt | \amethyst: `grep IRIX` returns /usr/share/man/man5/exports.5.gz too. |
| 01:04.08 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: and if you're wireless, the only way they can figure out which computer it is probably involves figuring out where it's physically located, based on signal strength |
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| 01:04.19 | pantos | hello |
| 01:04.25 | vlt | \amethyst: But IRIX doesn't appear in `man exports` |
| 01:04.41 | Wyzard | Kaiten4: so unless you have a bunch of other computers right next to you which are also using Tor, having a different MAC than your default won't do much to prevent someone from being sure it's you |
| 01:04.54 | vlt | \amethyst: (This is Sarge) |
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| 01:07.13 | \amethyst | vlt: hmm... try man -l /usr/share/man/man5/exports.5.gz |
| 01:07.40 | Sebboh | Kaiten4, what Wyzard is saying is valid, but, I'll add that when push comes to shove if someone is trying to find you they aren't just going to use network data to do it. I mean once they narrow it down to less than ten people.. They can just interview them or their instructors and know who did it. =P Clue: it wasn't the vocal arts major. |
| 01:07.44 | vlt | \amethyst: I created a single host export with "nohide", remounted on the client but it doesn't change: still an empty dir |
| 01:08.26 | \amethyst | you still have to add a server-side export for the subdirectory... *that* is what you mark as nohide |
| 01:08.37 | vlt | \amethyst: `man -l ...` works |
| 01:09.01 | \amethyst | vlt: maybe there's another exports(5) earlier in the manpath |
| 01:09.16 | Sebboh | Wyzard, I have found the problem. My desktop is requesting a certain IP, but that address is outside of the DHCP server's pool. ..So the DHCP server logs it and does nothing. Shouldn't it just say, no, you can't have that IP, and then the system asks for a new one? |
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| 01:09.41 | \amethyst | vlt: for example, /usr/man/man5/ or /usr/local/share/man |
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| 01:11.05 | \amethyst | vlt: it can break some programs, though, (such as find) because of inode clashes |
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| 01:11.15 | Wyzard | Sebboh: only if the DHCP server is configured to be authoritative -- otherwise, it doesn't know for sure that the client isn't allowed to have that address, because there might be some other server configured to lease it out |
| 01:11.29 | jetscreamer | so what happens if you rip out alternatives |
| 01:11.30 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Look for the "dhcp-authoritative" directive in /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 01:11.46 | Sebboh | Wyzard, you're great! Thanks so much. |
| 01:11.46 | Wyzard | Sebboh: I *think* it's off by default, so you should turn it on |
| 01:11.50 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: what do you mean, rip out |
| 01:11.54 | Internat | anyone know of any modules for apache 2.2 that do bandwidth accounting? |
| 01:12.00 | Sebboh | I've got to go. Peace all. |
| 01:12.04 | Sebboh | thanks again Wyz |
| 01:12.07 | Wyzard | np |
| 01:12.26 | jetscreamer | purge, remove, rm -R .. whatever it takes. i'm just curious about the aftermath, what happens.... |
| 01:12.35 | jetscreamer | i don't 'really' want to do it |
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| 01:13.45 | \amethyst | Internat: there's libapache2-mod-cband, but I don't know if it's possible to have it do just accounting and not also quotas |
| 01:13.46 | jetscreamer | i'm trying to see how xorg works kinda |
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| 01:13.56 | \amethyst | Internat: it's per-vhost |
| 01:14.17 | jetscreamer | how the pieces all fit together rather |
| 01:14.26 | Internat | yeah ive looked at that.. it half does what i want but not really |
| 01:14.32 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: you mean the /etc/alternatives directory? |
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| 01:15.16 | stiv2k | how can i re-install a package thats already installed (to get the default packages) |
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| 01:15.21 | purpoze | anybody know how i can do a cpu limit on cpu %, and not cpu Time ? |
| 01:15.23 | stiv2k | but so i dont have to remove it |
| 01:15.29 | stiv2k | err |
| 01:15.32 | stiv2k | default configs*' |
| 01:15.41 | Wyzard | purpoze: man nice |
| 01:15.47 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: all the things that are links to alternatives would break... java, cc, lynx, nethack |
| 01:15.52 | purpoze | Wyzard: nice, doesn't limit CPU % though |
| 01:15.58 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: you could still run them by the specific names, but not the generic ones |
| 01:16.04 | purpoze | Wyzard: i have re-niced a process to 20, and it just stick to 99.1% all the time |
| 01:16.13 | Wyzard | purpoze: yeah, if it's the only thing running |
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| 01:16.26 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: as well as all the things that use /usr/bin/pager, sensible-editor, x-www-browser, etc |
| 01:16.29 | Wyzard | purpoze: If there's other stuff running, it'll get a smaller proportion of the CPU time than the other stuff |
| 01:16.29 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:16.39 | purpoze | Wyzard: yep, im trying to have the load on the server not get higher than 5.0 |
| 01:16.47 | codynotes | I have a rather general question about bind. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding something. I set up bind9 on my Debian box, added zone files for my LAN, and then pointed my client to the box for name service. But google.com still resolves on my client. Why is that? Why is it not just resolving the information in my zone files and nothing else? |
| 01:17.00 | codynotes | (I cleared the client's cache, so it's not pulling Google from there...) |
| 01:17.03 | purpoze | when somebody begins doing a copy using Samba of like 1-2 G files, samba takes up 99.9% cpu , and the box load hits like 20 |
| 01:17.13 | hooya | any rssh users? am getting a "chroot() failed, 2: Operation not permitted" |
| 01:17.16 | Wyzard | purpoze: Load isn't CPU% |
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| 01:17.38 | Wyzard | purpoze: It's the number of processes which are contending for CPU time |
| 01:17.42 | \amethyst | codynotes: do you have an entry for zone "."? |
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| 01:18.22 | purpoze | Wyzard: maybe there is another /etc/security/limits.conf i can use that can stop the samba procs from getting high? |
| 01:18.25 | Dewi | purpoze: samba won't be a cpu-bound process, it will be IO bound |
| 01:18.36 | codynotes | amethyst: Yes. Ohhh, I see, it asks the root name servers if it can't find an answer in the local zone files? |
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| 01:19.21 | purpoze | Dewi: yeah thats what i thought too, but it turns out that 'smb -D' processes are CPU hogs during high load transfers |
| 01:19.27 | purpoze | Dewi: let me give you more info |
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| 01:19.34 | jetscreamer | oooo xinit |
| 01:19.35 | purpoze | @ 11:30P.M. two diff. types of backups begin on this server |
| 01:19.44 | purpoze | 1. ncftpput of 38G file |
| 01:19.56 | Wyzard | purpoze: Limiting a program to a small CPU% won't decrease the system load |
| 01:19.59 | purpoze | 2. windows clients dump 1-5 G files to the same server |
| 01:20.02 | Wyzard | purpoze: It may even increase it |
| 01:20.09 | purpoze | the smb -D proc's turn out to be 99% CPU% |
| 01:20.25 | purpoze | Wyzard: ok, fair enough |
| 01:20.31 | purpoze | i guess i can try optimizing samba on this machine |
| 01:20.36 | purpoze | or suggesting another way for them to do the backups here |
| 01:20.37 | Dewi | purpoze: some indicators of cpu % in linux *include* IO wait |
| 01:20.43 | purpoze | Dewi: yep |
| 01:20.59 | purpoze | Dewi: im just trying to stop the stupid oom-killer, thats all! :) |
| 01:21.08 | purpoze | trying to find some creative methods |
| 01:21.22 | Wyzard | purpoze: ...the OOM killer isn't related to system load either, AFAIK |
| 01:21.32 | Dewi | purpoze: there must be a lot of other stuff going on to push system load to 20 |
| 01:21.41 | Wyzard | System load is not memory usage |
| 01:21.43 | purpoze | Dewi: nope |
| 01:21.45 | purpoze | thats it |
| 01:21.54 | Dewi | purpoze: you've only described about 4 processes |
| 01:22.00 | Dewi | purpoze: none of which will be under CPU contention |
| 01:22.01 | purpoze | i'll try optimizing samba here |
| 01:22.11 | Dewi | purpoze: because they will all be under IO contention and I don't think that counts |
| 01:22.15 | purpoze | Dewi: it might just be iowait like u mentioned |
| 01:22.21 | purpoze | yeah |
| 01:22.37 | Dewi | purpoze: well, you won't reduce I/O contention by increasing swapping between disk processes |
| 01:22.40 | purpoze | we have two diff. types of backups running exactly @ 11:30P.M. |
| 01:22.42 | pingouin | wich tools/commands (the simpliest, the fastest) can i use (should i) to make a partition table then format a brand fresh new sata hard drive just installed in case ? please |
| 01:22.42 | Dewi | purpoze: you'll just put seek times up |
| 01:22.45 | purpoze | causing high IO wait then |
| 01:22.47 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 01:22.53 | Dewi | purpoze: so.... don't run two backups at once |
| 01:23.05 | purpoze | i can't really tell them that |
| 01:23.09 | Dewi | purpoze: no computer system has good performance if you do two hard disk tasks at once, the seek times kill you |
| 01:23.09 | purpoze | my steps will include now |
| 01:23.11 | Wyzard | pingouin: fdisk or cfdisk |
| 01:23.15 | Dewi | purpoze: of course you can |
| 01:23.16 | purpoze | oom-killer ratio decrease in /proc |
| 01:23.27 | purpoze | ive already put a hugemem kernel |
| 01:23.32 | Wyzard | pingouin: followed by mke2fs or equivalent (whichever type of filesystem you prefer) |
| 01:23.33 | purpoze | and ill try optimizing samba here |
| 01:23.34 | Dewi | purpoze: it's stupid to have a disk seeking backwards and forwards for hours |
| 01:23.36 | purpoze | if that doesn't do anything |
| 01:23.49 | purpoze | ill suggest two backup servers :) |
| 01:23.58 | Dewi | purpoze: right, you're not listening, and it sounds like you haven't actually thought about what seek times are |
| 01:24.00 | purpoze | or schedule them one after the other |
| 01:24.18 | purpoze | Dewi: well, its just a bunch of writes |
| 01:24.26 | purpoze | seek time is for read's isn't it? |
| 01:24.37 | Wyzard | It's for both reading and writing |
| 01:24.38 | pingouin | Wyzard: perfect ! thank you very much |
| 01:24.40 | purpoze | oh now ur right |
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| 01:24.58 | \amethyst | Dewi: depends on how much readahead it does |
| 01:25.34 | \amethyst | Dewi: two tasks seeking won't hurt you too bad if it spends enough time doing the read on each end of the seek |
| 01:25.37 | purpoze | can i get that type of information from linux against my RAID array's member disks? |
| 01:25.42 | purpoze | what there seek times, etc. are? |
| 01:25.44 | jetscreamer | \/\/\/o\/\/\/ |
| 01:25.46 | \amethyst | which of course only helps if the data is sequential |
| 01:26.16 | PingFloyd | you might as well do one at a time, if it is working on the same disk |
| 01:26.16 | Wyzard | purpoze: You could use the bonnie++ benchmark program |
| 01:26.18 | purpoze | \amethyst: these are all writes though |
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| 01:26.20 | \amethyst | laid out contiguously on disk that is |
| 01:26.41 | purpoze | readahead is good for read's only right? |
| 01:26.50 | Wyzard | purpoze: but you probably won't get good results from that while the drive is being used as part of an active RAID array |
| 01:26.59 | purpoze | i wont be gaining performance impact on backups by optimizing readahead proc settings, will i? |
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| 01:27.15 | purpoze | Wyzard: you mean bonnie++ ? |
| 01:27.16 | \amethyst | purpoze: you might want to look at a different I/O scheduler |
| 01:27.27 | purpoze | \amethyst: using slab here i believe |
| 01:27.31 | purpoze | \amethyst: what else is there? |
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| 01:29.13 | \amethyst | slab? that's a memory allocator. deadline, cfq, as (anticipatory) |
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| 01:30.04 | \amethyst | cfq is the default in 2.6.18 and up I believe |
| 01:30.08 | purpoze | let me do a time dd really quick and show u guys result |
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| 01:30.22 | purpoze | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.26 | purpoze | what count size do u suggest? |
| 01:30.27 | purpoze | 200 Megs ? |
| 01:30.46 | cast | you can't give 200 megs as a count :| |
| 01:30.51 | cast | its unitless |
| 01:31.05 | cast | use a bigger BS for whatever you're doing |
| 01:31.08 | purpoze | whose good at math? :P |
| 01:31.20 | \amethyst | purpoze: doesn't matter, it would be zero blocks no matter what |
| 01:31.29 | \amethyst | purpoze: you want /dev/zero not /dev/null |
| 01:31.37 | purpoze | how about count=131072 |
| 01:31.42 | purpoze | \amethyst: ok, ill use /dev/zero |
| 01:32.09 | purpoze | real 0m1.240s |
| 01:32.15 | purpoze | to write a 128M file |
| 01:32.19 | purpoze | block size of 1024 |
| 01:32.23 | purpoze | using /dev/zero as suggested |
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| 01:33.59 | purpoze | wow, im doing that multiple times, i see about 66.2% iowait on this machine |
| 01:34.19 | purpoze | 15842 root 18 0 3964 416 360 D 0.9 0.0 0:00.18 dd if /dev/zero of ./test.file bs 1024 count 524288 |
| 01:34.24 | purpoze | Cpu(s): 0.1% us, 0.4% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 99.5% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% s |
| 01:34.31 | purpoze | Cpu0 : 1.7% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 90.7% id, 6.8% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| 01:34.31 | purpoze | Cpu1 : 0.5% us, 0.2% sy, 0.0% ni, 92.0% id, 7.2% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
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| 01:34.36 | mesof | hello |
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| 01:35.58 | illogic-al | hello folks. |
| 01:36.02 | purpoze | i wonder if that RAID controller might have a problem |
| 01:36.36 | illogic-al | I hear you guys aren't the ginormous dicks you used to be, so I'm just going to hang out here for a while to see myself. |
| 01:37.33 | purpoze | hi illogic-al |
| 01:38.05 | cast | illogic-al: go fuck yourself. |
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| 01:39.24 | Kaiten4 | illogic-al: Fuck you! Debian hates all outsiders! |
| 01:39.43 | illogic-al | lmao |
| 01:40.41 | Kaiten4 | You stop laughing before I pull all the wind out of you through your eyes, and skull fuck the cavities |
| 01:40.44 | illogic-al | well i want count those guys. ignored 'em just to be safe. |
| 01:42.25 | cast | his initial statement was pointless, other than to troll/provoke people :| |
| 01:43.10 | Guerin | but we ARE ginormous dicks |
| 01:43.18 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 01:43.18 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 01:44.03 | purpoze | weirdness in #debian |
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| 01:45.23 | mesof | eh that's not that weird |
| 01:46.10 | mesof | just kidding |
| 01:46.15 | mesof | it is |
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| 01:49.49 | Kaiten4 | so, why doesn't freenode like tor? |
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| 01:52.00 | cast | i thought it did |
| 01:52.03 | eljefe | i just installed debian minimal/net install CD onto my machine. Then I installed xserver and fluxbox. now when i start X i get all kinds of errors about font paths and stuff, and X bombs out before I get a cursor. Can anyone help me? |
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| 01:53.06 | cast | eljefe: install xorg? |
| 01:53.12 | eljefe | i did |
| 01:53.13 | cast | [the pkg, is my best guess] |
| 01:53.15 | bjorkimacg3 | what kinda errors do you get? |
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| 01:53.23 | bjorkimacg3 | they're trying to tell you something. |
| 01:53.32 | eljefe | oh maybe i didn't |
| 01:53.34 | eljefe | sorry! |
| 01:53.45 | eljefe | it was xorg |
| 01:53.58 | eljefe | i musta installed xserver; what is the difference? |
| 01:54.01 | Swat2 | Can anyone recommend a GUI Tape Backup program for *nix |
| 01:54.11 | cast | Swat2: tar |
| 01:54.15 | bjorkimacg3 | xtar |
| 01:54.16 | eljefe | lol |
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| 01:54.45 | cast | bjorkimacg3: what is that? |
| 01:54.47 | Swat2 | not tar. |
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| 01:55.03 | bjorkimacg3 | Swat2, 'tar' is Tape ARchiver. |
| 01:55.11 | bjorkimacg3 | it might know a thing or two about tapes. |
| 01:55.28 | Swat2 | hmm |
| 01:55.28 | cast | bjorkimacg3: he probably wants something with wizards, and buttons to click...iirc |
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| 01:55.40 | eljefe | he said GUI |
| 01:55.43 | Swat2 | used to veritas BE |
| 01:55.52 | bjorkimacg3 | Swat2, and the incantations to invoke the wizard are in the man pages. |
| 01:56.02 | bjorkimacg3 | so use it or port it :) |
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| 01:57.20 | Swat2 | are we talking about the same tar as in tar.gz files etc |
| 01:57.20 | Swat2 | ? |
| 01:57.31 | cast | Swat2: yip. |
| 01:57.38 | bjorkimacg3 | yes. Tape ARchiver. |
| 01:58.18 | cast | why do people do themselves the injustice of looking for purely GUI applications, so many of the best apps have no gui [vim||emacs,tar,gpg,irssi,screen...] |
| 01:58.35 | Swat2 | cast: not for me for pleb customer |
| 01:58.37 | eljefe | Swat2: Bacula is decent; Kdat is for tapes and KDE; hubackup is OK too |
| 01:58.39 | bjorkimacg3 | vim and emacs are screen based programs. |
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| 02:03.42 | eljefe | Swat2: I think Amanda is a gui-based backup prog also |
| 02:04.21 | smacnay | When using the stow package... if I were to keep up with an svn repository such as mplayer, would I put the svn dir under /usr/local/stow? |
| 02:05.42 | cast | smacnay: nope. |
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| 02:06.22 | smacnay | cast: I am reading but making no sense of it yet... |
| 02:06.30 | lakcaj | smacnay, that's what the package description seems to imply. Did you install it... does it have a man page? |
| 02:06.50 | shing` | I just installed Debian, but it won't boot X, my monitor gets no input at all. I have an 8800gtx graphics card, can someone help? |
| 02:07.14 | cast | have the svn dir in ~/, or wherever, it doesn't matter. it could ive in /usr/local/stow/svn-mplayer, but that would break consistancy a bit |
| 02:07.29 | linux2 | im wondering if anyone here can help me out with this issue im having. I have an ULTRAsparc IIe here and i am new to the whole sparc architecture. Well anyways i have been trying to install linux on it. debian and ubuntu I have both tried but with no luck. Now before i install solaris 10 i had been trying to boot the debian and ubuntu install cds which both stopped at "booting linux....". It seemed to just lock up. so i then installed so |
| 02:07.32 | linux2 | laris 10. after installing solaris 10 i figured i would try linux again. and now linux just starts booting up and says "Loading initial ramdisk...." "Illegal Instruction". and then goes back to the OK prompt. Does anyone here have any experiecne with sparc systems. Specifically ultrasparc platforms (64bit). This is a sunblade 100 system. any ideas? |
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| 02:08.04 | smacnay | lakcaj: I am readin the man page |
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| 02:08.19 | smacnay | cast: I used to just keep all the svn stuff under ~/downloads/ |
| 02:08.26 | cast | smacnay: you'd do ./configure --exec-prefix=/usr/local/stow/mplayer --prefix=/usr/local/stow/mplayer && make && make install |
| 02:08.26 | lakcaj | shing`, /msg dpkg drx |
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| 02:09.03 | cast | smacnay: it doesn't matter where you keep the source. entirely up to you |
| 02:09.27 | smacnay | cast: so all the mplayer stuff is really under /usr/local/stow/mplayer but stow puts symlinks where they need to be? |
| 02:09.58 | stiv2k | what is the version of the nvidia-newest-c drivers or w/e |
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| 02:10.40 | cast | smacnay: the make install will install mplayers files to /usr/local/stow/mplayer, then stow will setu the symlinks to make it look like it under /usr/local |
| 02:10.58 | cast | setup, its* :( |
| 02:11.01 | smacnay | cast: thanks. |
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| 02:14.26 | pingouin | once a new hard drive is partitionned, and formated (ext3), which is the 'linux' best way to allow users on the system to mkdir [directory] and write files on ? (options in /etc/fstab are : rw,user,noauto,exec) i can mount it, but not allowed to write file on. please |
| 02:14.46 | jetscreamer | man mount |
| 02:15.02 | jetscreamer | umask et al, or just chown the new hd/partition |
| 02:15.29 | jelly-home | er, chmod |
| 02:15.29 | jetscreamer | me too |
| 02:15.39 | jetscreamer | or both |
| 02:16.04 | pingouin | chown or chmod ? |
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| 02:16.18 | jetscreamer | for just one user, you could chown it |
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| 02:16.35 | cast | could copy /tmp perms, too |
| 02:16.37 | jelly-home | pingouin: which users do you want to enable to create stuff? |
| 02:17.01 | jetscreamer | man mount though, your information is contained in there |
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| 02:17.07 | pingouin | jelly-home: i guess, me, and my girlfrien |
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| 02:17.26 | pingouin | jelly-home: already read it, surely miss THE information i really want/need |
| 02:17.51 | pingouin | sorry, jetscreamer, tab completion too fast ;) |
| 02:18.23 | jetscreamer | umask |
| 02:18.41 | jetscreamer | it's in there |
| 02:18.50 | jelly-home | pingouin: if you're in the same group, mount the filesystem, chgrp group /mount/point, chmod g+ws /mount/point, that ought to be it |
| 02:18.58 | jetscreamer | what he siad |
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| 02:19.31 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: no umask for ext3 afaict |
| 02:20.08 | jelly-home | but they might need to set it in their shell if they want things to work nicely |
| 02:20.14 | jetscreamer | GAH OMG MY FUCKING XTERM IS WHITE!!!! |
| 02:20.23 | jetscreamer | wtf |
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| 02:20.42 | jetscreamer | courtesy of xinit i guess |
| 02:21.05 | \amethyst | jetscreamer: xrdb -merge .Xdefaults maybe? |
| 02:21.20 | jelly-home | courtesy of "you didn't really want your Xresources" |
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| 02:22.18 | pseubodot | is anyone here administering large numbers of debian-based workstations? |
| 02:22.22 | pseubodot | (non-servers) |
| 02:22.27 | pseubodot | where large > 10 |
| 02:22.50 | pseubodot | maybe not tomorrowine is |
| 02:22.55 | pseubodot | I'm trying to work out a way to check how 'out-of-date' a user's machine is |
| 02:23.06 | jetscreamer | ah k no umask.... acl enable posix access control lists though maybe |
| 02:23.20 | pseubodot | (sorry, s/maybe not tomorrowine is//) |
| 02:23.36 | Sebboh | Wyzard, setting dhcp-authoritative didn't change anything.. |
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| 02:24.23 | pingouin | is it a bad idea to add 'normal' users in the disk group ? |
| 02:24.26 | jelly-home | pseubodot: by large, do you mean "work it out with parallel ssh and a few scripts", or "engage cfengine or puppet" large? |
| 02:24.27 | jetscreamer | !usbfs |
| 02:24.27 | bjorkimacg3 | out of date? isn't it a matter of checking when it was last updated? |
| 02:24.39 | jetscreamer | pingouin: they say it is |
| 02:24.54 | jetscreamer | i do it anyway, but i'm psyco |
| 02:24.55 | Swat2 | bjorkimacg3 / eljefe / cast: Dump vs Tar? |
| 02:24.57 | jetscreamer | psycho |
| 02:25.05 | pseubodot | jelly-home: either |
| 02:25.10 | bjorkimacg3 | Tape ARchiver. |
| 02:25.16 | pseubodot | jelly-home: I read a bit about cfengine, but wasn't sure it was appropriate for this |
| 02:25.50 | pseubodot | jelly-home: my concern is that I want to be able to manage & monitor a bunch of debian user machines *well* |
| 02:25.55 | Swat2 | why wouldnt i use "dump" ? |
| 02:26.02 | pingouin | i should create a new group to make the command you gave me just above ? my users are just in usual group (video, cdrom etc...) we dont share any special group for disk i guess |
| 02:26.07 | pseubodot | I'll vouch for tob, btw |
| 02:26.18 | pseubodot | tob is pretty easy to set up and manage |
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| 02:26.59 | pseubodot | jelly-home: I'll look at both of those more closely again, I suspect I missed some salient points last time. |
| 02:27.32 | fas3r | freeradius with EAP-TLS work with windows xp users ? |
| 02:27.35 | pseubodot | jelly-home: ideally, we're just going to concentrate unix logs and be able to do our checking that way |
| 02:27.39 | jelly-home | pseubodot: perhaps something like cron-apt or apticron might help a bit |
| 02:27.41 | fas3r | because in FAQ of freeradius i see it don't work i found how to on internet for use EAP-TLS with XP user. .. |
| 02:27.49 | cast | my brain seems to have taken a dump. how does one convert stdin to lowercase? [i keep thinking something like echo ASDf|sed 's/[A-Z]/[a-z]/'] |
| 02:27.50 | fas3r | it's real ?? or i need to stop all i do ... :( |
| 02:27.55 | fas3r | http://wiki.freeradius.org/index.php/FAQ#PEAP_or_EAP-TLS_Doesn.27t_Work_with_a_Windows_machine |
| 02:27.58 | pseubodot | jelly-home: my concern is that I want to be able to manage & monitor a bunch of debian user machines *well*ings |
| 02:28.07 | snowbird | what is good ftp client? |
| 02:28.11 | pseubodot | ARGH !@#$#@$@ trackpad |
| 02:28.16 | cast | lftp, ncftp |
| 02:28.22 | jelly-home | pseubodot: yeah, if that's a concern, you'll have to automate more. |
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| 02:28.23 | pseubodot | jelly-home: we're already using apt-proxy for preseeding & similar things |
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| 02:29.10 | eljefe | Swat2: here is a (text-only_ page about Dump http://surf.ap.seikei.ac.jp/~nakano/dump-restore/dump-restore-mini-HOWTO.en.html |
| 02:29.18 | pseubodot | jelly-home: I like the 'passive' approach with logging as it doesn't require things like root ssh keys to be set up on all machines |
| 02:29.21 | eljefe | Swat2: it may be the way to go, i'm not sure. |
| 02:29.32 | eljefe | Swat2: which program are you using that asks? |
| 02:29.35 | fas3r | nobody use it ? i want to be sure before continu for nothing ... |
| 02:29.39 | pingouin | is the group 'users' more safe or recommanded to change group for a mouting point ? |
| 02:29.51 | jelly-home | pseubodot: I liked what I read about puppet, but haven't done even a small test installation of anything. My goal is to keep an eye on servers, not workstations, though. |
| 02:30.01 | pseubodot | jelly-home: I want to do both |
| 02:30.19 | pseubodot | jelly-home: we're setting ntsyslog up on some winboxen for the same purposes |
| 02:30.20 | pingouin | it as a 100 rate level (root as 0 and disk 6) |
| 02:30.42 | pseubodot | snowbird: I've used gftp, 'tis good. |
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| 02:30.56 | pseubodot | snowbird: firefox / iceweasel has something too |
| 02:31.17 | jetscreamer | gftp gui is good... the cli sucked last time i tried it... there is also a filezilla port |
| 02:31.26 | jetscreamer | in sources |
| 02:31.39 | pseubodot | jelly-home: I've been playing with qemu / vde2 to set up virtual networks, I think I'll that too |
| 02:31.51 | _ericb | hi all, In kde there is a feature that pops a dialog box when a new filesystem is detected and asks what to do with it (mount it, play dvd, etc). Is there a kde-free solution (I'm now under fluxbox) |
| 02:31.53 | snowbird | iltry gftp |
| 02:31.58 | pseubodot | jelly-home: thanks for the pointers |
| 02:32.00 | jetscreamer | try both :) |
| 02:32.13 | pseubodot | snowbird: filezilla is pretty darned good too |
| 02:32.23 | jelly-home | pingouin: 100 is just a number. If you plan on having more users, create a new group, add those two in it and use that |
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| 02:32.31 | hardcampa_ | best command-line ftp otherwise is probably lftp |
| 02:32.33 | Swat2 | eljefe: i'm just reading up on backups w/ *nix and tape drives, and the "dump" and "restore" programs came up |
| 02:33.18 | shing` | I just installed Debian, and when gdm tried to load, I would get no input to my monitor and have to restart. I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and now I get a no screens found error. Any ideas? |
| 02:33.44 | pingouin | jelly-home: ok thanks for your help. |
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| 02:34.19 | jelly-home | pingouin: (because all normal users belong to "users" group by default) |
| 02:34.38 | jetscreamer | shing`: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:35.06 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 02:35.06 | dpkg | i guess hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 02:35.15 | snowbird | in gftp how do i get file from outher pc type ip in box? |
| 02:35.22 | fas3r | nobody ?? |
| 02:35.36 | shing` | jetscreamer, no devices detected. |
| 02:36.00 | jetscreamer | fas3r: there's probably an openradius channel |
| 02:36.34 | shing` | jetscreamer, should i install hwinfo? |
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| 02:36.58 | fas3r | yes but nobody speak since 2 days .. i stay on this channel since 2 date |
| 02:37.16 | jetscreamer | shing`: yes, apt-get install hwinfo read-edid mdetect then run it (hwinfo --monitor) and note the h&v rates |
| 02:37.20 | jetscreamer | then drxx again |
| 02:37.23 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 02:37.24 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:37.50 | jetscreamer | fas3r: maybe in ##linux |
| 02:38.21 | shing` | jetscreamer, I'm sure I entered the corrent rates in dkpg-reconfigure, I got them off my monitor manufacturer website. |
| 02:38.47 | jetscreamer | shing`: ok then compare them, hwinfo --monitor vs what you got from the site |
| 02:39.09 | smacnay | cast: does stow make things that much easier to manage? |
| 02:39.26 | xjkx | I am using samba. There are times that I boot windows that the machine is available and there are times that the machine is not available. Even though the samba is running, what should I suspect? |
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| 02:39.43 | jelly-home | fas3r: some projects prefer mailing lists. |
| 02:39.50 | marc7 | hey, are there any plans for the kernels that come with debian to start enabling CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC so we can look at the .config they compiled with from /proc/config.gz? |
| 02:39.52 | smacnay | xjkx: some times it takes a few minutes for the network to be visible |
| 02:40.01 | marc7 | and if not, where else could I take a look for the default .config file |
| 02:40.12 | xjkx | smacnay: how many minutes we are talking about? |
| 02:40.13 | jetscreamer | shing`: there 'should' be more error message goodness in the xorg log ... next check the mouse, then check what driver you're using... or driver first |
| 02:40.22 | jetscreamer | what gpu and which xorg driver |
| 02:40.28 | smacnay | xjkx: for me, some times up to 5-10. |
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| 02:41.30 | pseubodot | jelly-home: we're also going to transition to ldap for most auth things, it'll be interesting to see how puppet / cfengine deal with ldap. |
| 02:41.36 | xjkx | smacnay: I don't understand why it would need 5 minutes ;o |
| 02:41.37 | jelly-home | marc7: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 02:41.43 | pingouin | works perfectly ! thanks jelly-home |
| 02:42.04 | marc7 | jelly: thanks |
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| 02:42.10 | shing` | jetscreamer, hwinfo --monitor flashes some text on the same line as the prompt, and then the prompt appears and I don't see anything. I have an 8800gts and using nv driver. |
| 02:42.20 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 02:42.28 | jetscreamer | nv doesn't support 8800 |
| 02:43.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get install module-assistant linux-headers-$(uname -r) pkgconfig && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 02:43.27 | shing` | jetscreamer, which one should I use then? |
| 02:43.28 | shing` | o_O |
| 02:43.41 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 02:43.41 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 02:43.49 | pingouin | shing`: go dowload the nvidia drivers, on nvidia.com |
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| 02:44.11 | jetscreamer | ah but you need to make sure which driver version supports your gpu |
| 02:44.18 | SplasPood | does anyone know how (if it's even possible) to make dpkg-buildpackage output it's .deb(s) into a specific directory other than ../ ? |
| 02:44.18 | jelly-home | pseubodot: eh, we already have a ldap server, it's called AD :-) But us unixy folks don't use it much |
| 02:44.40 | fas3r | jelly-home: what ? |
| 02:45.04 | jelly-home | fas3r: find a freeradius user mailing list and ask there |
| 02:45.45 | fas3r | maybe but in linux, debian, freeradius or other linux channel nobody use radius with EAP-TLS .. :) it's very big ... :):) |
| 02:45.47 | shing` | jetscreamer, will following the instructions on the wiki do it for me? |
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| 02:46.10 | jelly-home | fas3r: that's why I'm not telling you to use irc |
| 02:46.18 | fas3r | ^^ |
| 02:46.47 | jetscreamer | shing`: should, but you need to make sure which version of the driver supports your 8800 |
| 02:46.52 | jetscreamer | and use it |
| 02:47.02 | shing` | How do I find that out? |
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| 02:48.04 | jetscreamer | one sec |
| 02:49.04 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/(version)/README/index.html |
| 02:49.20 | jetscreamer | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/ and check the versions in the same down dirs |
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| 02:50.40 | shing` | got it thanks |
| 02:51.22 | jetscreamer | GeForce 8800 GTX 0x0191 GeForce 8800 GTS 0x0193 is supported by 9746 |
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| 02:52.40 | shing` | jetscreamer, when I apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common, it says nvidia-kernel-common isn't found? |
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| 02:53.16 | jetscreamer | that happens... etch, lenny ? |
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| 02:53.30 | snowbird | pseubodot: |
| 02:54.01 | jetscreamer | !nv.run |
| 02:54.01 | dpkg | from memory, nv.run is known as <nvidia installer> - ask me about that |
| 02:54.14 | jetscreamer | !factinfo nv.run |
| 02:54.14 | dpkg | nv.run -- created by bzed <n=bzed@dslb-084-059-103-117.pools.arcor-ip.net> at Sun Mar 25 15:10:02 2007 (153 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by jetscreamer, 13s ago. |
| 02:54.19 | pseubodot | snowbird: ? |
| 02:54.41 | pseubodot | jelly-home: ah yes, that thing. we're trying to avoid going down that road |
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| 02:54.50 | jetscreamer | everybody will tell you to not use the nvidia installer, but it works fine for me |
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| 02:54.56 | shing` | jetscreamer, so er...what do I do? |
| 02:54.57 | pseubodot | jelly-home: too many different systems, and no standarization. :) |
| 02:55.00 | shing` | Use the nvidia installer? |
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| 02:55.17 | jetscreamer | you could... http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt |
| 02:55.19 | snowbird | pseubodot: how do eye use ftp |
| 02:55.33 | stoned | man |
| 02:55.33 | stoned | im full |
| 02:55.38 | snowbird | stoned |
| 02:55.47 | stoned | korn, beans, peas, mashed potatoes steak bread |
| 02:55.56 | snowbird | wow any left overs |
| 02:55.56 | stoned | ahhh boy |
| 02:56.08 | stoned | nope |
| 02:56.10 | garryFre | join /#xchat |
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| 02:56.27 | snowbird | stoned i got ftp on ehre can u help me set up how to et files from pc over in there to here tomorow |
| 02:56.27 | pseubodot | snowbird: which client are you using? filezilla? gftp? command line? |
| 02:56.42 | snowbird | gftp here smart ftp over there |
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| 02:56.59 | pseubodot | snowbird: what operating systems are these machines using? |
| 02:57.06 | maek | I keep getting "hardware error cpu 0: machine check exception: 4 bank 4: some numbers" and it tells me to run mcelog --ascii but when I do there is nothing there. I assume becuase I have to reboot to recover from the kernel panic that its clearing /dev/mcelog. any ideas? |
| 02:57.08 | snowbird | debian here xp pro over tehre |
| 02:57.16 | pseubodot | snowbird: you can chat. |
| 02:57.18 | shing` | jetscreamer, I have to run that? |
| 02:57.19 | pseubodot | snowbird: erm, cheat |
| 02:57.29 | snowbird | what cheet? |
| 02:57.31 | stoned | snowbird: ftp server on debian? |
| 02:57.31 | shing` | jetscreamer, I'm on a different computer, I can't paste -_- |
| 02:57.32 | pseubodot | snowbird: set up openssh-server on the debian box, install winscp on the xp box |
| 02:57.51 | stoned | snowbird: just use vsftpd if you need ftp, or use ssh scp |
| 02:57.58 | pseubodot | snowbird: ftp is more trouble then you need |
| 02:58.00 | xjkx | Can I test my firewall using qemu? Or the firewall will understand that the qemu's packages are comming from myself? |
| 02:58.06 | pseubodot | snowbird: stoned is right. |
| 02:58.09 | jetscreamer | shing`: if you want... ok well that will install it... or you can ask some more about how to get the versions from sid or whatever |
| 02:58.22 | jetscreamer | and use m-a a-i |
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| 02:58.30 | jetscreamer | the approved debian method |
| 02:58.36 | shing` | I have no idea what that means ._. |
| 02:58.38 | pseubodot | snowbird: ssh / scp is *much* simpler |
| 02:59.01 | jetscreamer | shing`: the module-assistant method, with nvidia-kernel-common et al is the approved debian method |
| 02:59.14 | snowbird | ok |
| 02:59.22 | jetscreamer | apt-get install module-assistant linux-headers-$(uname -r) pkgconfig && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 02:59.24 | jetscreamer | that |
| 02:59.32 | shing` | ok ill try that now |
| 02:59.50 | snowbird | if i got files on outer c and ftp program there all i doo is type that ip in my ftp on here right |
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| 03:00.57 | snowbird | i aint to shure how to set up sssh /scp |
| 03:01.06 | pseubodot | snowbird: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 03:01.17 | snowbird | ok |
| 03:01.19 | pseubodot | snowbird: it uses your existing accounts on the debian box for authentication |
| 03:01.34 | pseubodot | snowbird: you can also use synaptic if it's installed |
| 03:01.37 | shing` | jetscreamer, can't find package pkgconfig? |
| 03:01.50 | snowbird | pseubodot: i need gui |
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| 03:02.01 | pseubodot | snowbird: on the windows box, fire up a web browser and go to www.winscp.org |
| 03:02.11 | pseubodot | snowbird: then start the synaptic package manager. |
| 03:02.31 | snowbird | ok |
| 03:02.42 | jetscreamer | shing`: it's pkg-config sorry |
| 03:02.47 | pseubodot | snowbird: not everyone wants to use command line, but there is only so much a graphical program can do |
| 03:02.58 | pseubodot | snowbird: you will want to learn the command line programs, they aren't that hard. |
| 03:03.10 | pseubodot | snowbird: but! you don't have to do that today. :) |
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| 03:03.24 | snowbird | ok is there ssh gui? i guess not |
| 03:03.34 | jetscreamer | !info secpanel |
| 03:03.35 | pseubodot | snowbird: for the windows box, ys. |
| 03:03.35 | garryFre | I used to remember cli commans pretty well, but after about 17 years programming, my brain got full. |
| 03:03.40 | pseubodot | snowbird: yes. |
| 03:03.41 | dpkg | secpanel: (A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41+0.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
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| 03:04.08 | pseubodot | s/things/thinks/ |
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| 03:04.19 | pseubodot | snowbird: you don't need to run a gui to run an ssh server. |
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| 03:04.34 | snowbird | opeen ssh installed |
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| 03:04.49 | pseubodot | snowbird: now install the winscp gui program on the windows box. |
| 03:04.55 | pseubodot | snowbird: I posted the url earlier. |
| 03:05.03 | snowbird | il go get that now |
| 03:05.03 | shing` | jetscreamer, module-assistant error message: installation of nvidia-kernel-source failed. |
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| 03:05.23 | jetscreamer | shing`: do you have contrib non-free in sources.list? |
| 03:05.27 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 03:05.27 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 03:05.32 | shing` | jetscreamer, says something about enabling something in sources.list |
| 03:05.41 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 03:05.41 | shing` | jetscreamer, no idea. Thanks for being patient with me. |
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| 03:06.23 | jetscreamer | do what the bot said, then apt-get update |
| 03:06.31 | jetscreamer | then rerun the command |
| 03:06.34 | shing` | k |
| 03:06.35 | cast | smacnay: sure does |
| 03:06.46 | garryFre | !contrib |
| 03:06.46 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 03:06.51 | smacnay | cast: thanks - will try it out. |
| 03:07.06 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 03:07.06 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 03:07.07 | cast | smacnay: ~$ ls /usr/local/stow; duplicity e16.8.8 e16.8.9 e16keyedit e16-themes gajim hgsvn irssi pidgin s3cmd zfs-fuse |
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| 03:07.16 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 03:07.16 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
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| 03:07.34 | Kaiten4 | Hi... trying to compile a kernel from debian sources... help? http://pastebin.com/m182144c4 |
| 03:08.16 | snowbird | pseubodot |
| 03:08.32 | snowbird | i got it winscp on xp box now what? |
| 03:09.05 | jetscreamer | Kaiten4: man kernel-pkg.conf , then add --append-to-version=whatyouputin_/etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
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| 03:09.12 | jetscreamer | or was it kernel-img.conf |
| 03:09.18 | jetscreamer | i always get them confused |
| 03:09.23 | jetscreamer | pkg i think |
| 03:09.24 | snowbird | stoned y hear? |
| 03:09.41 | streuner | !spoon-feeding |
| 03:09.41 | dpkg | Spoon-feed a newbie for a day and he will come back with more stupid questions. Teach him how to help himself and he will come back with answers. |
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| 03:10.49 | snowbird | whos the newbie? |
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| 03:11.11 | phizeek | is it possible to dual monitor with onboard i810 video and pci nvvidia 5500 |
| 03:11.25 | jetscreamer | of course |
| 03:11.33 | phizeek | mk |
| 03:11.55 | phizeek | I've been trying to do so.. Both monitors come on, only 1 display. the only thing I can guess, is the errror: |
| 03:12.04 | Wyzard | phizeek: Yes, though you won't be able to get OpenGL on the i810 if you install nVidia's driver |
| 03:12.05 | phizeek | (II) No APM support in BIOS or kernel |
| 03:12.43 | Wyzard | APM has nothing to do with video cards |
| 03:12.47 | phizeek | I've been trying to figure out how to get my 2nd monitor running.. Its on, just no display. |
| 03:12.57 | jetscreamer | EE not ii |
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| 03:13.04 | jetscreamer | EE is what you care about |
| 03:13.11 | phizeek | ah |
| 03:13.16 | garryFre | EE means errors |
| 03:13.24 | streuner | Its NOT the question if you are a newbie or not, its rather a question for me when people trying to spoon-feeding some others |
| 03:13.51 | shing` | jetscreamer, I added non-free to the end of every line in sources.list, but none of them worked. I checked on ibiblio.org (the mirror im using) and there is no non-free directory. What should I do? |
| 03:14.05 | snowbird | struner i wasn't asking newbie ? i dont have dipper any more just diables no brain here |
| 03:14.08 | phizeek | i'm lost on getting display 2 to work |
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| 03:14.50 | jetscreamer | shing`: you add the words contrib non-free to the end of the deb lines, after the word main |
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| 03:15.03 | eljefe | how do I kill a PID from a script? basicaly I want to restart an Xprogram with cron every few hours (kill it and start a new one) |
| 03:15.15 | shing` | jetscreamer, I did this. |
| 03:15.16 | garryFre | it sounds like he's saying he did it to ALL the lines tehre. |
| 03:15.34 | eljefe | i thought it was something like # kill [cat /var/pid/xprog] |
| 03:15.44 | Kaiten4 | Hello, I am trying to compile a kernel and having some issues, here is the error: http://pastebin.com/m182144c4 |
| 03:15.58 | jelly-home | eljefe: use killall or pkill if you want to kill a named process |
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| 03:16.54 | jetscreamer | shing`: paste your sources.list and the commands you've run, and the errors recieved in a pastebin... |
| 03:16.57 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 03:16.57 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 03:17.08 | eljefe | thanks!! |
| 03:17.48 | shing` | jetscreamer, how do I do that from within a console...? |
| 03:17.51 | snowbird | stoned |
| 03:17.53 | garryFre | Last night I was begging someoen to paste their correct source list, cause I was getting the same error shing` was getting, and then it just started working, ... except sometimes if freaks |
| 03:18.06 | garryFre | can't stat files erros |
| 03:18.11 | garryFre | errors |
| 03:18.36 | jetscreamer | shing`: with gpm, and/or screen ... |
| 03:18.50 | streuner | snowbird: /msg dpkg ask |
| 03:19.03 | garryFre | otoh, that might be a disaster if they weren't runnig the same debian version I am. ... 4.0 |
| 03:19.13 | streuner | and read what the factoid says |
| 03:19.15 | jetscreamer | shing`: note that running the command as seen in http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt would already be done with and up&running... |
| 03:19.20 | snowbird | struner ask what? |
| 03:19.23 | jetscreamer | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:19.23 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 03:19.50 | streuner | snowbird: run "/msg dpkg ask" in your irc-client |
| 03:20.21 | snowbird | i don't get you struner? |
| 03:20.31 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 03:20.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:20.40 | jetscreamer | he siad msg the bot |
| 03:20.49 | phizeek | on kde i goto settings display, multiple monitors, it shows Display 1 Coordinates: X 0, Y 0, Width 1024, Height 768 and Display 2: X 1024, Y 0, Width 1024, Height 768 |
| 03:20.51 | Swat2 | whats the easiest way to find out what version of debian your running |
| 03:20.59 | jetscreamer | uname -a |
| 03:21.09 | shing` | I thought Debian was supposed to be easier than Gentoo =/ |
| 03:21.10 | streuner | Swat2: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 03:21.21 | streuner | Swat2: compare libc6 |
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| 03:21.34 | Swat2 | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 03:21.43 | garryFre | I remember I once got the bot in the #ubuntu channel to say "I Don't know anything about Ubuntu. |
| 03:21.48 | snowbird | i am wounder if there is open ssh gui in sarge |
| 03:21.53 | jetscreamer | shing`: it gets easier... and games like q3/4 run better |
| 03:21.54 | streuner | nah, that was an example, its etch/stable, btw |
| 03:22.01 | jetscreamer | snowbird: secpanel |
| 03:22.01 | cast | snowbird: what would a openssh gui look like? |
| 03:22.07 | jetscreamer | !secpanel |
| 03:22.11 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 03:22.16 | jetscreamer | !info secpanel |
| 03:22.18 | Swat2 | streuner: so its etch ? |
| 03:22.20 | dpkg | secpanel: (A graphical user interface for SSH and SCP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.41+0.4.2-3 (sid), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 03:22.21 | streuner | yes |
| 03:22.26 | snowbird | thanks |
| 03:22.41 | jetscreamer | snowbird: i told you like 20 minutes ago or so |
| 03:22.49 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 03:22.52 | streuner | Swat2: /msg dpkg version |
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| 03:23.12 | cast | http://secpanel.mymediahost.de/?q=image/tid/1 answers my question.. |
| 03:23.13 | snowbird | i missed it must of been at outher pc |
| 03:23.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:23.52 | xjkx | Can I test my firewall using qemu? Or the firewall will understand that the qemu's packages are comming from myself? |
| 03:24.27 | cast | xjkx: best to test firewall from another box imho |
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| 03:24.50 | xjkx | cast: :> |
| 03:25.20 | dan323 | if i am going to custom compile a package, what directory would be the most logical place to do that? |
| 03:25.34 | jetscreamer | /usr/src |
| 03:25.50 | Dark-Fx | or /usr/local/src |
| 03:25.51 | cast | to compile or install? |
| 03:26.07 | codynotes | Does anyone know how I stop bind from trying to resolve names that I don't specifically define in my zone files? I only want my server to resolve the names of systems on my LAN; clients will get other names from the other nameservers provided by my router. |
| 03:26.17 | dan323 | cast: to compile and install |
| 03:26.28 | snowbird | il have to open port in router i see |
| 03:26.44 | codynotes | I removed the "." zone from my named.conf, but bind will still resolve google.com. (I have cleared the resolve cache.) |
| 03:27.01 | Dark-Fx | codynotes: Why would you want to do that? |
| 03:27.02 | cast | who typically owns /usr/src and /usr/local/src? |
| 03:27.37 | cast | or the contents therein i mean [a user or root?] |
| 03:27.47 | Kaiten4 | secpanel looks like crap |
| 03:27.48 | codynotes | Dark-Fx: I'm not sure if that's the best way to do what I want, but I know what I want and I can't find any good info on how to do it. Here's what I want: |
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| 03:28.00 | Kaiten4 | is there anything like secpanel, but in gtk? |
| 03:28.19 | jetscreamer | probably |
| 03:28.46 | codynotes | I want to be able to access machines on my LAN by names, such as xxx.blah.com. I want everything else to resolve using the ISP nameservers my router grabs |
| 03:29.25 | codynotes | I don't know how to make bind grab the ISP nameservers like the router does, and I'm assuming that having my bind instance query the root nameservers is bad. |
| 03:29.25 | Kaiten4 | gftp does scp |
| 03:29.33 | codynotes | But I might just be misunderstanding this whole thing. |
| 03:29.56 | jetscreamer | it does? |
| 03:30.00 | cast | and sftp |
| 03:30.50 | streuner | Kaiten4: http://secpanel.mymediahost.de/ |
| 03:31.05 | Dark-Fx | codynotes: if you set your nameserver as the IP of the router, does it work? |
| 03:31.14 | Dark-Fx | (from a computer inside your network) |
| 03:31.15 | cast | ..ignore me. nfi if gftp uses sftp, scp or just plain ol ssh to move files |
| 03:32.18 | Kaiten4 | streuner: There was a vote at the homepage "Would you prefer SecPanel being coded in Python/GTK instead of Tcl/Tk?" 70% said yes |
| 03:32.36 | streuner | fine :-) |
| 03:32.58 | shing` | jetscreamer, I got it working, just added a deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian stable contrib non-free to sources.list, m-a a-i nvidia is completed, what do I do now? |
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| 03:33.07 | codynotes | Dark-Fx: Does what work? Everything already works currently as I want it, except clients are resolving outside addresses using my nameserver rather than the ISP ones. Am I correct to assume that I don't want my internal nameserver contacting the root servers to resolve names? That should be done through my ISP nameservers, right? |
| 03:33.15 | shing` | jetscreamer, maybe this Debian thing isn't so bad after all, it took me a lot longer to figure out how to even install Gentoo ;P |
| 03:33.29 | Kaiten4 | One day there will be a GTK SSH client for linux! |
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| 03:34.12 | cast | Kaiten4: does the gnome file manager do sftp? i expect kdes does, though thats not gtk |
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| 03:34.27 | snowbird | thanks |
| 03:34.31 | streuner | !info putty |
| 03:34.35 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.60-2 (sid), Packaged size: 302 kB, Installed size: 692 kB |
| 03:34.47 | streuner | !depends putty |
| 03:34.51 | dpkg | putty: depends on libc6 (>= 2.6-1), libglib1.2ldbl (>= 1.2.10-18), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4), libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, putty-tools |
| 03:34.57 | Kaiten4 | lol |
| 03:35.03 | Kaiten4 | I thought putty was linux only |
| 03:35.06 | Kaiten4 | I mean windows* |
| 03:35.32 | Kaiten4 | one day there will be a gtk2 SSH client for linux! |
| 03:35.51 | cast | why :( |
| 03:36.10 | Kaiten4 | cast: because it's pretty |
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| 03:36.50 | Dark-Fx | codynotes: I'm wondering if your router has a method of forwarding dns |
| 03:37.13 | Dark-Fx | If it does, you can set the forwarder in your bind config to that address and it'll use your IPs nameservers |
| 03:37.32 | Dark-Fx | I don't know if there is a way to dynamically set forwarders with bind |
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| 03:38.34 | Kaiten4 | cast: I think SSH is great, but GUIs that sit on top of it look medicore :/ |
| 03:38.34 | codynotes | Dark-Fx: Yes, I was going to forward to the router initially, but that won't work because then DHCP clients won't know the IP address of my nameserver unless it's specifically entered for them, and thus DHCP clients won't be able to resolve hosts by name on the LAN |
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| 03:39.00 | cast | Kaiten4: but thats my point, why would you want a gui at all? |
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| 03:39.22 | codynotes | So, that's why I want the router to hand out the IP of my nameserver as a nameserver (which it can do), but I don't want my nameserver to try to resolve anything that isn't on the LAN, because the router is also handing out the ISP's nameservers, and they'll work for anything outside the LAN |
| 03:40.18 | codynotes | Removing the "." zone with the root hints in it doesn't seem to make bind stop resolving things outside the LAN, though; it still just resolves everything magically |
| 03:40.22 | Rusty1 | codynotes: is dnsmasq an option , dunno but http://www.thekelleys.org.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html might be worth a look |
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| 03:40.59 | Kaiten4 | cast: because it's simpler, and probably would display progress a lot better then scrolling. But then it begs the question, who in the world would want a gui for anything? |
| 03:41.10 | Dark-Fx | s/begs/raises/ |
| 03:41.21 | Kaiten4 | thank you dark |
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| 03:41.39 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question :P |
| 03:41.46 | Kaiten4 | fuck |
| 03:41.51 | Kaiten4 | I just read that page the other day too |
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| 03:42.40 | cast | do you want to just move files over ssh? |
| 03:43.02 | cast | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers#Network_protocols seems both the kde and gnome file managers can do that |
| 03:43.46 | codynotes | Rusty1: That's very interesting and it seems like exactly what I should be using because it does exactly what I'm trying to do ;) However, this problem is only part born of necessity -- I mostly just wanted to set up and get familiar with bind |
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| 03:44.30 | Dark-Fx | codynotes: I just have my ISPs nameservers set statically as bind forwarders |
| 03:44.45 | Dark-Fx | If names stop resolving for some reason, that would be one of the things to check |
| 03:44.50 | Dark-Fx | They generally don't change though |
| 03:45.17 | Kaiten4 | I suspected nautilus may have had that functionality, I've never got it to work though several years ago, perhaps I'll it again |
| 03:45.40 | codynotes | Dark-Fx: OK, I guess that works. I'll give it a try. Thanks! |
| 03:45.45 | amphi | codynotes: you could use opendns nameservers perhaps |
| 03:46.07 | dan323 | i'm following a guide about makeing a custom kernel, and it tells me i have to run the command make-kpkg. i don't have the command. is the guide outdated or do i need to install a package? |
| 03:46.15 | dan323 | s/makeing/making |
| 03:46.21 | codynotes | amphi: How do you mean? The point is that I don't want to use *any* nameservers. I want bind to look in my local zone files and then give up. |
| 03:46.22 | Dark-Fx | amphi: You're usually best off using nameservers that are as close to you as possible |
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| 03:47.27 | codynotes | Bind seems to magically be pulling stuff out of thin air, though, because I took away who the root nameservers are and it can still look stuff up somehow, though |
| 03:48.00 | amphi | Dark-Fx: opendns and dnsmasq seems to work ok |
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| 03:50.36 | Flankk | dan323: Debian has packages providing kernel sources. kernel-[ver]-source or similar as far as I remember it. |
| 03:51.05 | dan323 | ok |
| 03:51.20 | dan323 | yeah, i failed to compile the kernel |
| 03:51.47 | dan323 | it said not all of some particular information was lowercase, which was a violation of Debian policy |
| 03:51.54 | dan323 | therefore it cancelled the compile |
| 03:52.47 | Dark-Fx | dan323: what do you need to compile the kernel for? |
| 03:52.57 | dan323 | with my custom .config file |
| 03:53.10 | \amethyst | dan323: did you use --append-to-version or anything? |
| 03:53.14 | Dark-Fx | (make-kpkg is in the kernel-package package) |
| 03:53.23 | dan323 | i found that Dark-Fx |
| 03:53.47 | dan323 | http://pastebin.ca/670862 |
| 03:54.01 | Dark-Fx | all I do when I compile for debian is make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 03:54.25 | Rusty1 | codynotes: cat /etc/resolv.conf on the machine your working on - looking where it's supposed to ? |
| 03:54.34 | dan323 | is it ok to leave off "kernel_headers" Dark-Fx? |
| 03:55.19 | Dark-Fx | dan323: yes, but if you plan on building any kernel modules later, you'll need the package |
| 03:55.20 | \amethyst | dan323: you need the kernel_headers if you plan on using module-assistant to compile third-party modules |
| 03:55.24 | codynotes | Rusty1: /etc/resolv.conf is set up with 'nameserver 127.0.0.1', but I've been doing 'dig google.com @127.0.0.1' anyways |
| 03:55.33 | dan323 | ok, then i will include it |
| 03:55.34 | dan323 | thanks |
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| 03:56.08 | dan323 | so should i get the kernel source from a debian related source? |
| 03:56.15 | dan323 | because i just got it from kernel.org |
| 03:56.19 | codynotes | I have no idea why 'dig google.com @127.0.0.1' resolves when there is no information in the zone files but addresses on my LAN |
| 03:56.30 | \amethyst | dan323: it's helpful to get the .config from debian |
| 03:56.51 | dan323 | i have my own .config, the whole reason why i am custom compiling my kernel |
| 03:57.01 | factor | what is the best way to tunnel udp |
| 03:57.03 | Dark-Fx | kernel.org is usually more up to date than the debian sources |
| 03:57.17 | dan323 | i see what the problem is |
| 03:57.18 | Dark-Fx | But you won't get any of the debian specific patches |
| 03:58.53 | dan323 | the .config is from an arch linux install, and it has a reference to "ARCH" in it, which violates the debian no-caps policy |
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| 03:59.10 | \amethyst | dan323: as the localversion? |
| 03:59.16 | dan323 | yes |
| 03:59.22 | \amethyst | so change it |
| 03:59.25 | dan323 | i did |
| 03:59.47 | dan323 | ok it's working |
| 03:59.48 | dan323 | yay |
| 03:59.52 | dan323 | thanks for the help |
| 04:00.22 | dan323 | for future reference, where can i find debian kernel sources? |
| 04:00.23 | \amethyst | dan323: there's also an env variable IGNORE_UPPERCASE_VERSION that tells it to make it lowercase even if it's set to uppercase |
| 04:00.36 | \amethyst | dan323: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.foo |
| 04:00.37 | dan323 | ah ok |
| 04:00.56 | Rusty1 | codynotes: got wireshark http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/wireshark ? |
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| 04:01.36 | dan323 | yeah, the latest linux-source is 2.6.18 |
| 04:02.20 | \amethyst | dan323: 2.6.22 is in unstable, 2.6.21 in testing |
| 04:02.37 | dan323 | ok |
| 04:02.40 | codynotes | Rusty1: No. Are you suggesting I sniff packets to try to find out what bind is doing? |
| 04:02.44 | dan323 | so i need to enable different repos i guess |
| 04:03.03 | \amethyst | dan323: or just fetch the .deb |
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| 04:03.30 | \amethyst | dan323: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-3_all.deb |
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| 04:03.31 | dan323 | oh |
| 04:04.42 | Rusty1 | codynotes: yes |
| 04:05.01 | dan323 | would the file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.22.orig.tar.gz have any debian-specific contents? |
| 04:05.41 | \amethyst | dan323: it's had things (firmware blobs) removed from the original, and possibly makefiles etc updated to match |
| 04:06.04 | dan323 | oh |
| 04:06.27 | dan323 | so no debian patches? |
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| 04:07.55 | \amethyst | dan323: those aren't in the orig.tar.gz |
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| 04:08.11 | dan323 | ok thanks \amethyst |
| 04:08.14 | man_in_shack | what could stop xrandr from actually changing resolutions? |
| 04:11.18 | bullgard4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.40 | \amethyst | bullgard4: 4096 on x86 |
| 04:11.48 | dan323 | is it possible to custom compile any package from source and install it in debian? |
| 04:12.11 | bullgard4 | \amethyst: Thank you. |
| 04:13.16 | \amethyst | dan323: apt-get -b |
| 04:13.28 | \amethyst | dan323: if you mean a debian package |
| 04:14.41 | dan323 | well i imagine most packages i need are available as debian packages |
| 04:15.15 | \amethyst | dan323: usually you'd do apt-get build-dep package; apt-get -b source package |
| 04:15.19 | \amethyst | dan323: or use apt-build |
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| 04:16.05 | dan323 | so if i do apt-get build-dep package; it will fetch the package automatically? |
| 04:16.10 | \amethyst | dan323: that gives you .debs which you can then install |
| 04:16.21 | \amethyst | dan323: that fetches the build-dependencies (devel libraries and such) |
| 04:17.06 | \amethyst | dan323: apt-get source package fetches the package sources, unpacks them, and patches them |
| 04:17.15 | \amethyst | dan323: the -b tells to to build the package |
| 04:17.42 | dan323 | oh ok |
| 04:17.53 | \amethyst | dan323: as an alternative to -b you can change into the directory made by apt-get source package then run fakeroot ./debian/rules binary |
| 04:18.16 | dan323 | i'm not going to get too complicated |
| 04:18.46 | dan323 | i just switched from arch linux, and i liked being able to custom compile packages easily through Arch Build System |
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| 04:18.58 | \amethyst | dan323: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 04:19.00 | dan323 | but the problem was that there were often bugs in the PKGBUILD file, and i |
| 04:19.07 | dan323 | but the problem was that there were often bugs in the PKGBUILD file, and i am not good enough to fix them |
| 04:19.25 | alex12345 | I need to run root -tail on startup . where do I put it ? /etc/rc.local doesnt work... |
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| 04:20.13 | Flankk | \amethyst: what about compiling from source for a project which is not in the repo? I've asked this in the past and people always tell me Debian's not meant to compile... which just seems wrong. I know on Slack I can just throw it in a tarball with an info text and be on my way. |
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| 04:20.29 | \amethyst | alex12345: root -tail ? |
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| 04:21.08 | alex12345 | any program. if I need to run it at start time what file do I need to use? |
| 04:21.09 | \amethyst | Flankk: checkinstall is useful for that... it watches 'make install' and builds a package with the results |
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| 04:21.54 | \amethyst | alex12345: rc.local should be fine as long as there's an S99rc.local in your /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 04:22.15 | NaufraGo | hi. I've upgraded to etch.. http://paste.debian.net/35424 do I have to chancge anything from sources.list ? |
| 04:22.21 | alex12345 | thanks. I'll check it . |
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| 04:22.38 | \amethyst | alex12345: are you talking about a graphical program? |
| 04:23.35 | alex12345 | amethyst: I guess, it's root-tail - it writes log files to desktop |
| 04:23.49 | \amethyst | alex12345: ah, then rc.local won't work |
| 04:23.53 | Flankk | \amethyst: that looks amazing. So the thing just catches "make install" and creates a .deb instead of installing to the root dir? |
| 04:23.55 | \amethyst | alex12345: because it's not running under X |
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| 04:24.34 | user01 | how many toy story characters are there? |
| 04:24.40 | \amethyst | Flankk: it can make rpms and installpackage tgzs |
| 04:24.44 | \amethyst | Flankk: as well as debs |
| 04:24.57 | deadcat | user01: watch the movies and count |
| 04:25.03 | alex12345 | ok. what's a startup script for X? |
| 04:25.41 | streuner | xsession for example |
| 04:26.00 | user01 | deadcat: are debian release names limited to toy story 1 characters? |
| 04:26.05 | simonrvn | user01: wikipedia has an entry for them |
| 04:26.10 | user01 | or 1 2 3 ? |
| 04:26.10 | Flankk | \amethyst: huh, wish someone sould have told me that in the past. Thanks very much. :D |
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| 04:26.16 | deadcat | user01: no |
| 04:26.17 | mesof | alex12345: but it doesn't get started by default unless you use startx |
| 04:26.28 | simonrvn | user01: so far just from 1 |
| 04:26.34 | mesof | alex12345: like if you use a login manager you have to set it to execute it |
| 04:27.05 | alex12345 | mesof: what file do I need to edit? |
| 04:28.20 | mesof | are you using gnome? |
| 04:28.22 | mesof | metacity? |
| 04:28.28 | alex12345 | yes |
| 04:28.34 | alex12345 | gnome |
| 04:28.39 | mesof | you have to find the login manager settings |
| 04:28.45 | \amethyst | alex12345: do you log in with gdm? |
| 04:28.58 | mesof | and click yes, or select .xsession |
| 04:29.00 | alex12345 | whatever is default... :-) |
| 04:29.04 | \amethyst | alex12345: and do you want these settings for all users or just you? |
| 04:29.12 | alex12345 | for all users |
| 04:29.18 | mesof | it should be in settings, administration, login manager |
| 04:29.22 | mesof | i think |
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| 04:29.33 | alex12345 | ok. I'll try. thanks |
| 04:29.40 | itrebal | how can you purge a packages' files when removing it? |
| 04:29.55 | dan323 | \amethyst: i have the file linux-image-2.6.22-82607_2.6.22-82607-10.00.Custom_i386.deb in the directory above the kernel source, and it wasn't there before i began the package compile. however, the compile process is frozen on some code. does this mean that it has generated the package already? |
| 04:29.55 | \amethyst | itrebal: --purge |
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| 04:30.05 | mesof | but alex12345, icewm is way better |
| 04:30.19 | itrebal | thanks |
| 04:30.28 | \amethyst | dan323: frozen where? |
| 04:30.33 | alex12345 | I'll try icewm in the future |
| 04:30.47 | mesof | yeah it's my favorite wm at the moment |
| 04:30.57 | dan323 | \amethyst: i just read the text output, and it looks like it might be frozen on the kernel_headers |
| 04:30.58 | mesof | it's actually cool if you set the workspaces |
| 04:31.04 | \amethyst | dan323: ah |
| 04:31.44 | \amethyst | mesof: what's so cool about icewm's workspaces? |
| 04:31.57 | eljefe | the Debian install page says that Debian only needs 64MB of RAM to install, but the net install CD is not really doing anything but spinning after asking my language and country... (min reqs: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en ) |
| 04:32.04 | \amethyst | mesof: I mean, compared to other WMs |
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| 04:32.36 | eljefe | i had installed it to disk on a better system but when i moved it to the real system, it wouldn't get past "Loading linuz........" |
| 04:32.40 | mesof | because you take advantage of moving through the windows visually while still being able to use the fullscreen features |
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| 04:33.38 | mesof | it then looks like flux's nextwindow feature except you get the fullscreen option too |
| 04:33.48 | eljefe | has anyone tried installing on a lower memory system? does it get there? or is there other hardware that is holding me up? |
| 04:33.58 | dan323 | \amethyst: it wasn't actually frozen. it continued after stopping at that step for about 5 minutes |
| 04:34.57 | mesof | except i would like to seriously tweak this box |
| 04:35.14 | mesof | have a few problems still |
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| 04:35.52 | dan323 | here i go for a reboot. wish me luck |
| 04:36.22 | dan323 | thanks |
| 04:36.23 | \amethyst | mesof: I like sawfish---you can have a window be present in more than one workspace, with a different size/position in each one |
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| 04:46.29 | linux_jones | how do i route traffic from a pcmcia wireless card to eth0? |
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| 04:48.25 | cafuego | linux_jones: via 'route' or 'ip route' |
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| 04:50.48 | linux_jones | cafuego, is there any trick to that? |
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| 04:59.02 | opensourc1 | I have installed a deb package in my debian system, How can I know where the files had been installed in? |
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| 04:59.51 | stoned | opensourc1: dpkg -L packagename |
| 05:00.05 | stoned | !tell opensourc1 -about search |
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| 05:32.16 | ddpmf_ | anyone know a good channel for html questions? |
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| 05:34.48 | Wyzard | Can someone recommend a PCI wireless card (for a desktop PC) that works well with Linux? |
| 05:35.37 | solitude | anything with an intel or atheros chipset |
| 05:36.11 | Wyzard | I figured, but I don't know what brands/models have those |
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| 05:37.07 | Wyzard | I've never seen Intel wireless in anything other than a laptop with an Intel chipset |
| 05:37.13 | Wyzard | and I've never seen Atheros hardware at all |
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| 05:39.00 | lastnode | !madwifi |
| 05:39.00 | dpkg | it has been said that madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 05:39.22 | lastnode | Wyzard, that has a good list of compatible brands/cards |
| 05:39.42 | Wyzard | cool, thanks |
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| 05:43.02 | dan324 | how do i enable the use of experimental packages in apt-get? |
| 05:43.38 | jetscreamer | !experimental |
| 05:43.38 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 05:43.41 | cast | do you really want to do that :| |
| 05:43.50 | dan324 | hmmmm |
| 05:44.11 | dan324 | let me check on that... |
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| 05:45.44 | dan324 | i'm in between a rock and a hard place |
| 05:46.18 | cast | what do you want to install? |
| 05:46.34 | dan324 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2007/05/msg00084.html |
| 05:46.39 | dan324 | that post is confusing me |
| 05:46.47 | dan324 | i am trying to install ATI's fglrx driver |
| 05:47.04 | dan324 | and i encountered the same problem that the guy that started this thread had |
| 05:47.32 | dan324 | and apparently it results from the fact that the package is only compatible 2.6.18, but i'm using 2.6.22 |
| 05:47.54 | dan324 | and i would like to try to compile and install the package without having to downgrade my kernel |
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| 05:48.39 | dan324 | initally i thought there was a newer fglrx package in experimental, but i checked and didn't see anything |
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| 05:53.18 | dan324 | so how does unstable differ from experimental? |
| 05:53.40 | twinkiman | doesn't unstable=testing? |
| 05:53.46 | Wyzard | twinkiman: no |
| 05:53.59 | dan324 | i see an unstable package that looks appealing |
| 05:54.02 | Wyzard | twinkiman: Packages go into unstable, and after awhile move from unstable to testing |
| 05:54.18 | twinkiman | i thought they went into experamental |
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| 05:54.51 | Wyzard | Occasionally, if the maintainer doesn't think the package is ready for general use yet but wants to make it available for people who know what they're doing to test it |
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| 05:55.14 | dan324 | well i am going to give this unstable package a try |
| 05:57.14 | dan324 | how do i enable apt-get to use unstable packages? |
| 05:57.25 | marc7 | can anybody think of why the hotplug kernel option, and correspondingly udevd (which allows the serialization of hotplug events) would be needed for a server? |
| 05:57.54 | Wyzard | marc7: It's used for hardware detection at boot time |
| 05:58.14 | cafuego | whaddayawant? |
| 05:58.19 | cast | Wyzard: what do you do for a living, out of curiosity |
| 05:58.30 | Wyzard | marc7: "udevtrigger" is run at boot time to synthesize hotplug events for all the hardware already present in the system, and udev handles the events by loading drivers and such |
| 05:58.34 | Wyzard | cast: software engineer |
| 05:59.01 | cast | Wyzard: awesome, in windows or gnu/linux environments? |
| 05:59.02 | marc7 | Wyzard: that sounds important.. is it really? could I recompile the kernel without hotplug support and live to tell the tale? |
| 05:59.19 | Wyzard | cast: HP-UX 10.20 and Solaris 10, so far |
| 05:59.28 | Wyzard | cast: In a few weeks I'll be doing Java |
| 05:59.39 | marc7 | Wyzard: i mean, the software engineer thing is important too... sorry, that could've been taken out of context :) |
| 05:59.41 | Wyzard | cast: I've done a little Linux development at work, but most of my experience is from home |
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| 06:00.26 | Wyzard | marc7: You'd probably have to manually enter modules in /etc/modules, and/or use a separate hardware-detection tool such as discover |
| 06:00.37 | Wyzard | marc7: Why go out of your way to disable hotplug support, though? |
| 06:01.09 | dan324 | if i enable the unstable repo in /etc/apt/sources.list, will apt-get replace stable packages with unstable ones? |
| 06:01.30 | Wyzard | dan324: If you do an upgrade, yes |
| 06:01.40 | dan324 | oh |
| 06:01.53 | dan324 | what if i only want one package from unstable |
| 06:02.10 | Wyzard | You can download the .deb manually from http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 06:02.20 | dan324 | ok |
| 06:02.22 | dan324 | that works |
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| 06:02.27 | marc7 | Wyzard: I'm hardening my linux kernel for a server environment, I have absolutely nothing necessary compiled in... I've brought nothing in as a module, so it seems unnecessary to have hotplug support |
| 06:02.27 | Wyzard | or you can use pinning to make your system continue to use stable packages by default even if you add an unstable source |
| 06:02.36 | Wyzard | !tell dan324 about pinning |
| 06:02.57 | cast | i think you can also put 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf and use -t unstable install pkg |
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| 06:03.07 | dan324 | ah |
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| 06:03.14 | Wyzard | yep |
| 06:03.16 | Wyzard | That's pinning |
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| 06:03.41 | dan324 | i don't even have the file /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 06:03.44 | cast | oh...right. my bad. |
| 06:03.55 | Wyzard | dan324: It doesn't exist by default... go ahead and create it |
| 06:04.10 | dan324 | oh ok |
| 06:04.13 | Wyzard | cast: though for some reason the wiki page at http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning doesn't use Default-Release |
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| 06:05.23 | dan324 | At its most basic level, pinning involves two files, /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/preferences. |
| 06:05.24 | mattg | can anybody help me add UDF support? |
| 06:05.43 | dan324 | is it /etc/apt/preferences or /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
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| 06:06.13 | Wyzard | dan324: I think either works, though I'm not sure |
| 06:06.28 | dan324 | ok |
| 06:07.03 | cast | apt.conf is working for me FWIW |
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| 06:09.51 | dan324 | would it be valid to put the line "PAkage: *fglrx*" in /etc/apt/apt.conf in order to have the section refer to any package with "fglrx" in it? |
| 06:09.59 | dan324 | or would that not work in a config file? |
| 06:10.19 | dan324 | s/PAkage/Package" |
| 06:10.51 | Wyzard | dan324: You don't need to mention fglrx in there |
| 06:11.00 | dan324 | oh |
| 06:11.02 | dan324 | ok |
| 06:11.03 | dan324 | i see |
| 06:11.05 | Wyzard | dan324: Just set Default-Release to "stable" like cast said |
| 06:11.25 | Wyzard | Then you can add an unstable source without making apt upgrade your whole system |
| 06:11.45 | Wyzard | and you can install an individual package from unstable with "apt-get install -t unstable <foo>" or "apt-get install <foo>/unstable" |
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| 06:14.43 | zu22 | i want to download a large manual (not sure how many levels of links but it's a lot - mainly plain HTML with some images and 1 style sheet) how can i tell wget to get everything? i want the internal linking preserved so if i click on a link in the index it will take me to the appropriate page on my local copy |
| 06:15.11 | Wyzard | I think wget has an option for that |
| 06:15.22 | cast | looked at man wget? |
| 06:15.29 | cast | or info wget |
| 06:16.17 | zu22 | cast: yeah but it wants to know how many levels to dig and i'm not sure so what should i tell it just some really big number? |
| 06:16.23 | Wyzard | pinfo is nicer than plain info :-) |
| 06:16.37 | zu22 | Wyzard: pinfo ah never heard of that |
| 06:16.50 | cast | --convert-links is good, -p sounds good, hmm @ depth |
| 06:17.10 | Wyzard | zu22: It has an interface similar to the links browser |
| 06:17.59 | zu22 | cast: cool |
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| 06:18.48 | cast | -r -l ...1? 2? depends, take a guess :) |
| 06:18.50 | zu22 | Wyzard: i first used lynx back in 1992 hehe |
| 06:19.31 | zu22 | cast: ok i just want to make sure it gets it all so i don't have to manually click through every page to verify it got everything (this is a huge manual which i will use as needed) |
| 06:20.03 | cast | just check the start, middle and end pages are there ;) |
| 06:20.50 | cast | whats the manual anywho/ |
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| 06:21.51 | Haris | Hello folks |
| 06:21.59 | Haris | What's the difference between debian 4 r0 and r1? |
| 06:22.13 | cast | updates. |
| 06:22.16 | Haris | I just checked and I downloaded the r0 dvd1 sometime back |
| 06:22.21 | cast | [security, nearly all probably] |
| 06:23.04 | Haris | installing from that dvd in a Vmware vm, I find the setup just stops after reaching some random point in the install during installation of packages |
| 06:23.06 | zu22 | cast: ok, it's libc |
| 06:23.22 | Haris | I have IBM netvista |
| 06:23.41 | cast | zu22: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/ that one? |
| 06:23.53 | zu22 | cast: got it in one :) |
| 06:23.58 | Wyzard | Haris: Are you sure it's actually hung, and not just busy? |
| 06:24.04 | zu22 | cast: i am learning C/Linux programming |
| 06:25.15 | cast | zu22: cool. |
| 06:25.28 | Haris | Wyzard: Well, there's no activity in the vm, from harddisk or cdrom. There are icons on the bottom of the vmware window for each. It blinks when there's activity |
| 06:26.20 | Wyzard | Haris: dunno then... I don't think I've run etch in a VM, but I've run Ubuntu, which is similar, and that works fine |
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| 06:26.26 | Wyzard | Haris: At what point does it hang? |
| 06:27.22 | zu22 | cast: :) |
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| 06:27.55 | Haris | I'm re-creating the vm. I removed the old one |
| 06:29.52 | cast | Haris: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2007/20070817 [re r1] |
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| 06:33.32 | cast | asked this question a few days ago to no avail, if i start running SELinux in targetted mode, i can continue using exim correct? since targetted mode will not affect non-targetted processes, [on the deb wiki it says one can't use selinux and exim due to a lack of an exim policy atm, but is ambigious as to whether this applies to targetted mode or not - by my understanding it shouldn't surely] |
| 06:34.08 | cast | %s/targetted/targeted/g |
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| 06:34.58 | rafuch0 | hello |
| 06:35.25 | stiv2k | hi |
| 06:35.35 | rafuch0 | how can i see what app is using specific module |
| 06:35.36 | rafuch0 | ? |
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| 06:35.56 | rafuch0 | i want to erase de ipv6 module |
| 06:36.04 | rafuch0 | unload |
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| 06:36.22 | rafuch0 | i edit the /etc/modules.conf |
| 06:36.39 | rafuch0 | y all good today iu execute the lsmod and is there again |
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| 06:39.05 | rafuch0 | anyone? |
| 06:39.14 | rafuch0 | any advice will be good |
| 06:39.33 | solitude | blacklist it |
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| 06:45.56 | liable | !tell rafuch0 about blacklist |
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| 06:49.15 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:49.16 | dpkg | well, qotd96 is <linuxrules> i dont have problems with languaje |
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| 06:49.28 | et_alia | if I'm changing my hostname, do I need to modify anything else besides /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts? |
| 06:49.46 | liable | thats about it, man hostname |
| 06:50.12 | et_alia | liable: nah i was just wondering because on other distros theres a /etc/network file or the like you have to edit |
| 06:50.20 | stickybit` | is it possible to change default font available in SCIM? |
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| 06:50.24 | liable | oh |
| 06:50.36 | liable | et_alia: not for debian. |
| 06:50.37 | et_alia | liable: rhel,centos,fc,gentoo |
| 06:50.48 | et_alia | liable: good, i was getting sick of hunting down config files |
| 06:51.49 | rafuch0 | right now i am in the /etc/modprobe.d/aliases file |
| 06:51.52 | cahoot | rafuch0, IIRC it's pulled in due to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 06:52.00 | rafuch0 | and in the line that says |
| 06:52.09 | liable | uncomment the line in that file |
| 06:52.23 | rafuch0 | alias net-pf-10 ipv6 |
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| 06:52.40 | rafuch0 | liable, uncomment? |
| 06:52.42 | liable | doesnt it have an off after? |
| 06:52.56 | liable | or maybe comment, i seem to be having a brain fart |
| 06:53.10 | rafuch0 | yes it have an off |
| 06:53.12 | rafuch0 | after |
| 06:53.33 | liable | isnt the line commented as well? |
| 06:53.49 | rafuch0 | nop i will comment |
| 06:53.57 | liable | dont |
| 06:54.02 | rafuch0 | ok |
| 06:54.48 | rafuch0 | so what else can i do to stop that module to load in the next boot |
| 06:54.50 | liable | loosecannon: turn that off please |
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| 06:55.57 | liable | rafuch0: actually, you do need to comment that line |
| 06:56.12 | rafuch0 | ok lest comment |
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| 06:56.48 | rafuch0 | and is an other stuff i dont use like appletalk |
| 06:57.03 | rafuch0 | shut i comment those to i mean is ok ? |
| 06:57.57 | rafuch0 | liable, ? |
| 06:58.05 | liable | cant hurt i guess, but more than likely nothing loads it anyway |
| 06:58.15 | cast | you guys think an arc-aaa would be a good present? [yeah..dunno how to spell present properly] |
| 06:58.25 | rafuch0 | liable, ok |
| 06:58.32 | rafuch0 | so that ist? |
| 06:58.36 | liable | cast: what is it? |
| 06:58.39 | cahoot | arc-aaa? |
| 06:58.44 | liable | yeah |
| 06:58.55 | liable | rafuch0: why are you blacklisting ipv6 anyway? |
| 06:59.39 | cast | http://www.arcflashlight.com/arc-aaa.shtml AAA LED flashlight, Aluminum, nichia led...pretty much lasts for ever, has a dc2dc converter in there too to keep the brightness constantish |
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| 07:00.15 | rafuch0 | becuse i dont use it and is consumming ram |
| 07:00.28 | liable | they're good those little led lights |
| 07:01.01 | cahoot | cast, not contemplating it as wedding gift? |
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| 07:01.35 | cast | nah, give it to one of my friends |
| 07:01.43 | cahoot | I suspect most brides-to-be might object |
| 07:02.45 | cast | indeed. would be bad to give to a girlfriend as well |
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| 07:06.52 | rafuch0 | and what about the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 07:07.12 | rafuch0 | i have to put something in there right? |
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| 07:17.53 | maddash | aptitude keeps pestering me to upgrade package fglrx-driver from 8.37.6 to 8.38.6 -- the newer version is unstable on my system, so how do I tell aptitude to stfu? |
| 07:18.11 | cahoot | hold? |
| 07:18.46 | cahoot | ie aptitude hold |
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| 07:19.54 | maddash | i'm already holding -- is there some way to get rid of the hold message as well? it fills up my /var/log/aptitude with crap |
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| 07:47.56 | cast | sure is quiet. |
| 07:48.25 | cast | even the neighbours have managed to stfu :) |
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| 07:50.44 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 07:51.19 | cast | hello. |
| 07:51.25 | tamiya | my audio is acting up. each time i reboot the system the audio does not work. i then have to manually run 'alsaconf' and then everything works again |
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| 07:52.26 | tamiya | it seems the sound drivers are not loaded before i run alsaconf, and afterwards they are. i can see the before and after by running 'lsmod' |
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| 07:53.43 | cast | so you just want to load a certain set of modules on boot then? |
| 07:53.49 | tamiya | yes |
| 07:53.55 | tamiya | i don |
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| 07:54.23 | tamiya | i don't know what 'alsaconf' does but it makes my audio hardware work so i'd like to automate it |
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| 07:54.56 | jetscreamer | you only need to do it once |
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| 07:55.17 | tamiya | i've been reading up on the issues at http://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ but nothing really works |
| 07:55.30 | cast | i thought alsaconf added the required lines to get modules to load...but i think /etc/modules is where you'd want to edit to get your modules to load |
| 07:55.40 | wAndyw78 | Hi. Is it possible to boot a windows partition ex. /hda1 from debian using vmware? How is this feature named? (I don't want to make a new installation, only boot the existing simulatan) |
| 07:55.45 | tamiya | jetscreamer: the audio works until i reboot the machne |
| 07:56.07 | jetscreamer | got alsa-base ? |
| 07:56.37 | tamiya | yes |
| 07:56.43 | jetscreamer | apt-get install alsa-base ? |
| 07:56.49 | tamiya | yes |
| 07:57.27 | tamiya | i can force the drivers to unload with '/etc/init.d/alsa unload' |
| 07:57.34 | wAndyw78 | tamiya: You don't need to reboot. What happens when you run "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa reload" ? |
| 07:57.39 | jetscreamer | apt-get install alsa-tools ? |
| 07:57.42 | tamiya | this will make it disappears from the listing provided by 'lsmod' |
| 07:58.11 | tamiya | /etc/init.d/alsa reload does NOT reload the drivers |
| 07:58.12 | stoned | hey |
| 07:58.27 | stoned | how safe is it to revert back to ext2 from ext3? |
| 07:58.32 | stoned | or dangerous |
| 07:58.47 | tamiya | /etc/init.d/alsa reload does NOT appear to reload the drivers as can be seen by running 'lsmod' afterwards. I would then have to re-run 'alsaconf' |
| 07:59.23 | wAndyw78 | but there should be a error log then |
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| 07:59.30 | tamiya | installing alsa-tools now |
| 07:59.36 | cast | stoned: i was under the impression you could mount ext3 as 2 with no danger |
| 07:59.38 | tamiya | done |
| 07:59.48 | jetscreamer | you can |
| 07:59.49 | wAndyw78 | staned: curious, why do you want to change to ext2 ? |
| 07:59.58 | cahoot | tamiya, alsa-utils is already in place? |
| 07:59.59 | stoned | cast: yes but i want to be able to undelete files |
| 08:00.05 | jetscreamer | now try alsaconf |
| 08:00.07 | stoned | I have a habit of deleting files |
| 08:00.10 | jetscreamer | or not |
| 08:00.10 | tamiya | stone: its already installed |
| 08:00.28 | jetscreamer | it was already installed, or it is now |
| 08:00.36 | stoned | the ext3 faq says it is very easy |
| 08:00.39 | tamiya | its installed now |
| 08:00.42 | cast | stoned: man, make a backup, even if its just cp -l :P |
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| 08:01.59 | stoned | cast: its 500gb |
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| 08:03.17 | tamiya | wandyw78: did you get any response? |
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| 08:03.53 | cast | stoned: so what...100$ worth of drive? :) |
| 08:03.59 | wAndyw78 | because vmware? Not yet |
| 08:04.07 | tamiya | i have added 'snd' to my /etc/modules files |
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| 08:04.39 | wAndyw78 | tamiya: Not yet. |
| 08:05.07 | cast | wAndyw78: could set the /dev/sdwindows as the hard drive device in vmware |
| 08:05.42 | tamiya | wandyw78: one method is to boot back into Windows and install the free VMWARE COnverter and convert the running installation to a VM |
| 08:05.55 | valdyn | stoned: why not replace rm with mv? |
| 08:06.05 | cast | been a long time since i used vmware, thats how i do it in qemu |
| 08:06.13 | tamiya | then install vmware player 2 and play the VM |
| 08:06.21 | Crypticfortune | ok, i have a "Lenvo Small Desktop 3000" with a intel 946GZ chipset (if that helps), and am trying to get some sort of thermal sensor data from it (motherboard, cpu, whatever). sensor-detect came back with a bunch of stuff that is not actually thermal sensors. any other ideas? |
| 08:06.36 | wAndyw78 | tamiya: And then I can youse vmware Player? |
| 08:06.44 | tamiya | yes |
| 08:06.46 | Eulex | Crypticfortune, tried a simple acpi -V ? |
| 08:07.03 | valdyn | Crypticfortune: core 2 duo cpu? |
| 08:07.09 | wAndyw78 | or I use the way "cast" said and use vmware-server ? |
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| 08:07.33 | Crypticfortune | Eulex: "No support for device type: thermal" |
| 08:07.45 | tamiya | they will both work |
| 08:07.46 | Crypticfortune | valdyn: no it's a celeron D |
| 08:08.02 | cast | 'The maximum number of 5 login attempts has been exceeded. You are not allowed to login for the next 30 minutes.' ...how the fuckk is it i can't....goddddddd i hate phpbb |
| 08:08.10 | wAndyw78 | Ah, QEMU. Why I hear today the first time of this? |
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| 08:08.15 | tamiya | cast: hehe |
| 08:08.15 | jetscreamer | yes i2c |
| 08:08.52 | valdyn | wAndyw78: you probably want to use kvm instead of qemu too |
| 08:09.00 | cast | vmware player < vmware server. not sure why people would grab player, i suppose it might be smalelr and easier to use |
| 08:09.12 | valdyn | wAndyw78: though both are decent if you use the kernel module for qemu |
| 08:09.23 | mesof | gah, back |
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| 08:09.48 | tamiya | vmplayer 1.x and 2.x runs really fast under Debian and Ubuntu |
| 08:09.51 | mesof | you won't believe what i've dont to my keyboard |
| 08:10.16 | tamiya | mesof: KBs can be bought for less than $10AUS ;) |
| 08:10.25 | tamiya | i replace mine every 6 months |
| 08:10.36 | wAndyw78 | valdyn: I thought KVM needs a virtuallisation "enables" CPU ? |
| 08:10.55 | valdyn | wAndyw78: it does. That's about any new cpu. |
| 08:10.57 | mesof | tamiya: what's your reason for replacing and do you always buy the same model? |
| 08:11.16 | tamiya | dirt, dust, grime, snot, food |
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| 08:12.01 | tamiya | no, i try a different model each time.. your fingers adapt to the different keyboards pretty quickly |
| 08:12.12 | tamiya | i enjoy picking my nose ;) |
| 08:12.15 | cast | i find the keys on these cheap kbs [the membraine dome thingies...] feel shitty after a while to type on |
| 08:12.30 | wAndyw78 | valdyn: okay, thank you. I have a Athlon XP 1800, which doesn't support this. But I'll remember for the future |
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| 08:13.11 | wAndyw78 | So, now I'll try qemu :-) |
| 08:13.22 | tamiya | the PC stores I go to tend to have the KBS on display or its easy enough to open up the box so you can have a quick press of the keys |
| 08:13.43 | tamiya | and see how they feel. I've even gotten used to the shorter 'backspace' key |
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| 08:14.20 | tamiya | for $10AUS... cant go too wrong |
| 08:15.00 | tamiya | funny how none of the new KBs i've bought come with faulty keys. Most reliable piece of computer equipment EVER!! |
| 08:15.22 | cast | since etchs xen/linux-xen are compiled with PAE, can one run xp in a domU? [assuming relevent cpu] |
| 08:15.24 | tamiya | i've never had to return a faulty KB |
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| 08:16.31 | Tomasu | anyone here know much about EIST (enhanced speedstep) on linux? only acpi-cpufreq seems to work, and it is very limited in the range and number of frequencies it alows.. |
| 08:16.52 | mesof | the only thing i hate about the standard keyboard is the numpad |
| 08:17.31 | mesof | and most "mini" keyboards are just funky |
| 08:18.05 | mesof | tamiya: why not just clean the thing? |
| 08:19.53 | mesof | i suppose if i had money i'd just buy a new one too |
| 08:21.16 | Crypticfortune | ooo hddtemp can get hd temp. first time i've had a system that that works on....still no cpu/mb data though =( |
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| 08:24.03 | wAndyw78 | cast: Now installes qemu and qemu-launcher. Selected as HardDisk0 /dev/hda |
| 08:24.03 | wAndyw78 | When I launch now, Grub comes up, I select Windows, WindowsBootScreen appears but hten the BlueSreenOfDeath: INACCESIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. hda1 is partitioned with ntfs(W2K), ext3 (lenny) swap and i think qemu locks the ext3 partitions. Any hint? |
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| 08:28.38 | Greedom | damn, 725 people needing help, screw that OS |
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| 08:29.14 | cast | hah. |
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| 08:29.39 | wAndyw78 | cast: Qemu looks really fine, thank you for that hint |
| 08:29.49 | cast | i found it to work but be slow |
| 08:30.24 | wAndyw78 | okay, i can live with that, need windows only once a week for some minutes... |
| 08:30.41 | cast | oh, what for? |
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| 08:31.28 | wAndyw78 | for Borlands Delphi ( I know there is kylix, but...) |
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| 08:31.50 | cast | windows users tell me if you do something big, like switch a mobo/cpu you should reinstall windows. not sure how true that is, but switching from running natively to running in vmware is going to be a big change from windows perspective, so maybe theres some merit to installing windows in vmware |
| 08:33.06 | wAndyw78 | yes. windows crap... But i think windows only complaines, because the other partitions are locked? |
| 08:33.07 | cast | and reclaim back that oversized windows partition :) |
| 08:33.15 | wAndyw78 | :-) |
| 08:33.21 | cast | windows shouldn't touch the other partitions |
| 08:33.21 | tamiya | mesof: i hate cleaning ;) |
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| 08:34.26 | wAndyw78 | bye at all. I'll have to go to work |
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| 08:36.04 | cast | i might have a go at selinux in etch under qemu :) |
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| 08:45.36 | Scurz | hi |
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| 08:47.01 | Greedom | real people write their own OS |
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| 08:47.44 | Scurz | Do it exists an equivalent to rc.config file under debian? |
| 08:48.26 | valdyn | Scurz: to do what? |
| 08:49.08 | Scurz | valdyn: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2001-12/msg00068.html |
| 08:49.49 | Wyzard | Scurz: That message is six years old |
| 08:49.51 | valdyn | Scurz: a hint from year 2001 sounds wrong for whatever |
| 08:49.58 | Wyzard | I believe DMA is enabled automatically these days |
| 08:50.05 | Wyzard | At least, it is on my systems |
| 08:50.30 | Scurz | ok |
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| 08:50.35 | cast | you really notice when dma isn't enabled |
| 08:50.40 | valdyn | Scurz: You would do this with the hdparm package and its config file, but dont do it, as Wyzard sais. |
| 08:50.58 | Wyzard | You can use hdparm to check whether it's currently enabled |
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| 08:52.41 | k-man | in debian, when you install a new kernel, how does it decide what to put as root=/dev/whatever in grubs menu.lst? |
| 08:52.56 | k-man | i mean, when you use dpkg -i to install a kernel package |
| 08:53.28 | k-man | i just moved my root from /dev/hda1 to /dev/hde1 but when i installed a new kernel, it put root=/dev/hda1 |
| 08:53.28 | valdyn | k-man: that's on /boot/grub/menu.lst, look at the line with 'kopt' in it, the 'update-grub' script does the parsing and editing |
| 08:53.32 | Wyzard | k-man: It's taken from the special "# kopt=" line in that file |
| 08:53.40 | k-man | ah |
| 08:53.41 | k-man | thanks |
| 08:54.51 | Scurz | Yes, I know, but when I activate with hdparm, "hdparm -d1 /dev/hda", the dma is on "off" (using_dma = 0 (off)) when I'm restarting the computer... |
| 08:54.56 | graytron | is hotplug being obsoleted by discover? |
| 08:55.06 | k-man | thanks valdyn and Wyzard |
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| 08:55.14 | Wyzard | graytron: hotplug is superseded by udev |
| 08:55.23 | jetscreamer | other way graytron |
| 08:55.25 | graytron | Wyzard: ah well obsoleted still :D |
| 08:55.26 | Wyzard | graytron: I'm not sure how discover fits in, but it's not necessary either |
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| 08:55.39 | jetscreamer | it needs someting |
| 08:55.44 | jetscreamer | there's a dependency |
| 08:55.50 | jetscreamer | but not the full on discover |
| 08:56.07 | jetscreamer | !rdepends udev |
| 08:56.17 | jetscreamer | !depends udev |
| 08:56.20 | dpkg | udev: pre-depends on debconf (>= 1.4.69) | debconf-2.0 |
| 08:56.57 | Scurz | ideas? |
| 08:56.59 | simonrvn | there's a canoeload of packages that rdep on udev |
| 08:57.25 | simonrvn | Scurz: edit the hdparm conf |
| 08:57.30 | Wyzard | Scurz: /etc/init.d/hdparm runs hdparm automatically at startup |
| 08:57.40 | Wyzard | Scurz: Edit /etc/default/hdparm to set the options to be used then |
| 08:57.47 | Scurz | ah ok, thanks !! |
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| 09:02.17 | jetscreamer | there are more than that aren't there |
| 09:02.25 | jetscreamer | there is in iceweasel iirc |
| 09:02.32 | jetscreamer | ff |
| 09:02.45 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 09:03.28 | xand | this is in just one dialog box |
| 09:03.33 | simonrvn | ugh |
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| 09:04.23 | xand | "Close Mozilla-Thunderbird" "Mozilla-Thunderbird is already runnng, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Mozilla-Thunderbird process, or restart your system." [OK] |
| 09:04.54 | simonrvn | heheh, windows-centric too ... |
| 09:05.51 | cast | hmmm, apparently d-i doesn't time out if a mirror doesn't respond |
| 09:06.04 | jetscreamer | yeah i've noticed that |
| 09:06.17 | jetscreamer | i usually wind up restarting :/ |
| 09:09.27 | jetscreamer | i want to publicly state that i've decided to see how long i can go w.o smoking a cigarette |
| 09:09.57 | jetscreamer | this will suck |
| 09:10.07 | cast | you'll be fine. |
| 09:10.07 | pingouin | good luck jetscreamer |
| 09:10.16 | cast | in 6 months you'll be happy you did |
| 09:10.23 | pingouin | when did you start ? |
| 09:10.30 | simonrvn | i thought of quitting just so i won't sound so gravelly when i sing |
| 09:10.36 | pingouin | when did you start to stop ? |
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| 09:10.55 | jetscreamer | 10 minutes ago, and about 36 years ago |
| 09:11.04 | jetscreamer | 38 maybe |
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| 09:11.20 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: mind if i ask how old you are? |
| 09:11.24 | pingouin | you use nicotine patch/gum ? |
| 09:11.25 | jetscreamer | 46 |
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| 09:11.50 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: wow, i honestly never figured you that age, i thought you around my age heh |
| 09:11.53 | jetscreamer | never tried it pingouin |
| 09:11.53 | cast | simonrvn: the ummm...health benefits don't particully appeal to you then? :P |
| 09:12.25 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: i'm very immature for my age :) but then again, i'm still the same basic person i ever was |
| 09:13.10 | jetscreamer | my kids tell me to quit acting like a baby.. seriously |
| 09:13.18 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 09:13.23 | wintix | :D |
| 09:13.31 | simonrvn | cast: the drawbacks are slightly decreased lung capacity due to the vaso constrictor effects of the alkaloids. no i don't believe the hype the anti-smoking campaigns put out due to the vested interests in having people use the gums and patches |
| 09:13.37 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 09:13.46 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: it's good to be young at heart :) |
| 09:14.05 | jetscreamer | i'm just me |
| 09:14.10 | simonrvn | yup :) |
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| 09:15.00 | cast | slightly decreased lung capacity...do you know what they consider slight? 10%? 15%? |
| 09:15.14 | Haris | Is the 4.0 r0 CD/DVD isos' still up for grabs? |
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| 09:15.22 | Haris | Is=Are |
| 09:15.22 | berat | hey |
| 09:15.28 | berat | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 09:15.30 | simonrvn | cast: that being said, i do agree *commercial* tobacco is bad, they put tonnes of additives that are bad |
| 09:15.32 | berat | sorry |
| 09:15.42 | berat | http://paste.debian.net/35433 |
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| 09:15.49 | berat | how can i fix |
| 09:16.03 | jetscreamer | my wife got me smoking american spirit, "all natural" |
| 09:16.08 | simonrvn | cast: in me it's about 5%. i do a lot of cardio. walk, run, sing ;) |
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| 09:16.21 | jetscreamer | now the commercial ones taste like shit |
| 09:16.28 | pingouin | sing in the band simonrvn ? |
| 09:16.32 | pingouin | death metal ? |
| 09:16.36 | jetscreamer | i bought some camel lights... i gagged |
| 09:16.44 | simonrvn | cast: it would get offset by having "herbal" stuff mixed in, like lobelia |
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| 09:16.52 | simonrvn | pingouin: no, pow-wow |
| 09:17.05 | jetscreamer | canadians like to mix hashish with tobacco |
| 09:17.11 | cast | i'm just really suspicious of inhaling smoke deliberately. so pot/tobacca/etc....all seems a bad idea to me |
| 09:17.12 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: yeh, i smoke our own stuff, no additives |
| 09:17.20 | Haris | damn! debian already has an update for 4.0r1 |
| 09:17.21 | pingouin | ah ah ah hashish ;) |
| 09:17.35 | pingouin | to stop smoking ? :þ |
| 09:17.38 | pingouin | good way ! |
| 09:18.00 | jetscreamer | Haris: there are still mirrors out there with old stuff still on em |
| 09:18.02 | simonrvn | cast: sure, it's certainly not for everyone |
| 09:18.10 | jetscreamer | i don't know exactly which ones |
| 09:18.14 | jetscreamer | but they're there |
| 09:18.29 | simonrvn | cast: another reason i thought of quitting is to keep tobacco purely ceremonial use |
| 09:19.01 | jetscreamer | simonrvn: your tobacco? cerimonial? are you sioux or someting? |
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| 09:19.06 | simonrvn | but i still like it =) |
| 09:19.16 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: no, Mi'kmaq |
| 09:19.38 | jetscreamer | but that's an american indian or what |
| 09:19.42 | simonrvn | Piggy: !!! |
| 09:20.02 | jetscreamer | ah mikmaq..... |
| 09:20.07 | berat | hey someone help me |
| 09:20.08 | jetscreamer | the ' threw me |
| 09:20.08 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: not american nor indian :P (to use that terminology, yes it is) |
| 09:20.12 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 09:20.15 | simonrvn | np |
| 09:20.20 | berat | http://paste.debian.net/35433 |
| 09:20.24 | jetscreamer | i knew that might happen :/ |
| 09:20.36 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: it's ok :) |
| 09:21.08 | jetscreamer | it better be :) |
| 09:21.15 | simonrvn | berat: hehe |
| 09:21.23 | simonrvn | berat: woops, meant for jetscreamer |
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| 09:22.01 | simonrvn | berat: erm, your python seems buggered |
| 09:22.08 | graytron | when upgrading from sarge to etch, console-data reports: "Looking for keymap to install: NONE" and console-common the same plus 5 times "null symbol found". what's wrong here? |
| 09:22.27 | simonrvn | graytron: nothing |
| 09:22.45 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data is what i do and that seems to fix that for me, graytron ... all i know |
| 09:22.46 | graytron | simonrvn: thanks :) |
| 09:22.47 | berat | simonrvn, |
| 09:22.51 | berat | what must i do |
| 09:22.55 | graytron | jetscreamer: thanks a lot |
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| 09:23.07 | jetscreamer | the locales is overkill |
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| 09:23.39 | simonrvn | berat: what's dpkg -l 'python*' | grep '^.i' return? |
| 09:23.48 | Haris | I see some of the US mirrors are not hosting DVDs |
| 09:24.01 | Haris | even CD isos' are not present |
| 09:24.05 | simonrvn | they're kinda big ;) |
| 09:24.13 | Haris | Too big I suppose :p |
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| 09:24.19 | jetscreamer | and mean more bandwidth |
| 09:24.23 | jetscreamer | used |
| 09:24.24 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:24.28 | cast | my isp has em, maybe check your own |
| 09:24.34 | Zomb | use jigdo |
| 09:24.35 | Haris | Who was here who said 'we have larger dicks' when I first came in? |
| 09:24.47 | jetscreamer | try universities... they have a tendency not to get rid of old stuff |
| 09:24.56 | jetscreamer | university mirrors i mean |
| 09:25.08 | jetscreamer | and not update to new stuff, too |
| 09:25.10 | Haris | jetscreamer: I put in 4 mirrors to get from, thankyou =) |
| 09:25.30 | Haris | I'm going to get r1 now. Seems like r0 is out of date. |
| 09:25.50 | jetscreamer | Haris: /lastlog searchterm ... you could use dicks, or a nick |
| 09:25.56 | jetscreamer | poetry |
| 09:26.26 | jetscreamer | course it might be out of your buffer |
| 09:26.27 | Haris | not in mIRC I'm afraid |
| 09:26.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 09:26.36 | jetscreamer | use xchat for windows |
| 09:26.38 | Haris | See yo uguys later |
| 09:26.40 | jetscreamer | silverex.org |
| 09:27.02 | berat | simonrvn, |
| 09:27.07 | berat | http://paste.debian.net/35434 |
| 09:27.16 | jetscreamer | ow. i started to automatically reach for a smoke. first time. |
| 09:27.19 | simonrvn | could you like put that on one line? |
| 09:27.34 | berat | thats the outoput of dpkg -l 'python*' | grep '^.i' |
| 09:27.42 | streuner_ | Zomb: moin |
| 09:27.50 | jetscreamer | oh. how old are you then simonrvn |
| 09:27.55 | simonrvn | 35 |
| 09:27.56 | jetscreamer | more poetry |
| 09:28.39 | jetscreamer | waste not time: it really does fly by when you're having fun |
| 09:29.07 | jetscreamer | ok time for a haiku! |
| 09:29.18 | jetscreamer | not |
| 09:29.21 | berat | simonrvn, ? |
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| 09:29.43 | simonrvn | berat: aptitude reinstall python2.4 python2.4-minimal lsb-release lsb-core |
| 09:29.55 | simonrvn | berat: patience young one :P |
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| 09:30.24 | Zomb | streuner_: dito |
| 09:30.37 | berat | simonrvn, sorry :D |
| 09:30.42 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: sure does |
| 09:30.48 | simonrvn | berat: s'ok ;) |
| 09:30.51 | berat | oke i am trying it right now |
| 09:30.52 | berat | :D |
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| 09:31.42 | simonrvn | berat: why reinstalling those is because i figure something got missed during installation of one of those, and it might fix that ;) |
| 09:31.56 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 09:31.56 | dpkg | [reinstall] COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 09:31.56 | graytron | whatabout this: "warning: file `/usr/share/doc/gnupg-doc/GNU_Privacy_Handbook/html/book1.html' does not exist at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 718, </usr/share/doc-base/gnu-privac-handbook> line 12." when Setting up doc-base ? |
| 09:32.00 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 09:32.10 | jetscreamer | nevermid |
| 09:32.12 | jetscreamer | nd |
| 09:32.16 | simonrvn | that's overkill ;) |
| 09:32.39 | simonrvn | graytron: did you read the release notes? |
| 09:33.09 | graytron | simonrvn: i thought i did |
| 09:33.26 | jetscreamer | remember: human beings are not animals! |
| 09:33.38 | jetscreamer | so wtf are they, mineral? vegatable? |
| 09:33.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:34.00 | graytron | animating vegetables |
| 09:34.13 | jetscreamer | vegatable rockheads |
| 09:34.19 | simonrvn | fuck, i have to be awake in 2 hours ... |
| 09:34.21 | jetscreamer | vege |
| 09:34.40 | jetscreamer | i'll 'probably' get my 1 day off tomorrow |
| 09:34.42 | simonrvn | vegetating blocky rockheads |
| 09:34.56 | jetscreamer | i'm the oncall dude |
| 09:35.01 | simonrvn | ah |
| 09:35.38 | simonrvn | that can be fun... or not, depending |
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| 09:36.50 | k-man | hello |
| 09:36.56 | simonrvn | hi |
| 09:37.56 | k-man | when compiling a kernel with make-kpkg and using --revision and --append-to-version, and I want to bump the revision and or version |
| 09:37.57 | simonrvn | how unoiriginal, using your ASN to register a domain. cute though |
| 09:38.02 | simonrvn | unori* |
| 09:38.18 | k-man | i get this error "I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value" |
| 09:38.49 | k-man | what is the correct way to bump my revision number or appent-to-version number without having to do a make-kpkg clean? |
| 09:38.51 | simonrvn | so edit the debian/changelog |
| 09:39.04 | k-man | ah.. is that the way to do it? |
| 09:39.06 | jetscreamer | man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 09:39.17 | jetscreamer | and pass --append-to-version= |
| 09:39.21 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 09:39.39 | k-man | so just bumping that doesn't give you that error? |
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| 09:40.32 | zms | System: linux-image-2.6.22-xen-3.1-1-686 and xen-hypervisor-3.1-1-i386 on Debian sid. There's no /lib/tls that I can rename. I have installed `libc6-xen' also as recommended on `http://wiki.debian.org/Xen'. Problem: when I boot with xen, it still complains of using /lib/tls and warns about slow performance. Then I start to get errors "ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)" The same system boots okay with 2.6.22-1 Debian kernel. |
| 09:40.38 | simonrvn | i just use --append-to-version usually... i don't bother with --revision |
| 09:40.47 | berat | how can i submit gpg key to systemSiliconViper, |
| 09:40.49 | k-man | simonrvn, ok |
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| 09:40.57 | berat | how can i sumbit gpg key to system ? |
| 09:40.58 | jetscreamer | i thought you had to clean before compiling again, but i don't know much |
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| 09:41.03 | jetscreamer | !apt-key |
| 09:41.16 | jetscreamer | !etch key |
| 09:41.16 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 09:41.21 | gpm | do i have to be using a testing version of d-i in order to install lenny or sid without installing etch and then upgrading? |
| 09:41.25 | simonrvn | it's a good idea to, unless you're just adding or removing a module, or changing the conf a bit |
| 09:41.38 | jetscreamer | gpm: a nightly yeah |
| 09:41.45 | gpm | weaksauce. |
| 09:41.56 | k-man | simonrvn, so what do you do if you are just adding or removing a module? |
| 09:42.06 | gpm | i don't want to deal with d-i bugs, but i don't want to install etch and have to upgrade later |
| 09:42.07 | jetscreamer | gpm: you can use a businesscard i believe, but not a netinst |
| 09:42.10 | simonrvn | i re-run it =) |
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| 09:42.27 | jetscreamer | and the last nightly i tried worked fine |
| 09:42.34 | k-man | simonrvn, and then just make-kpkg modules? or the whole image? |
| 09:42.43 | gpm | so if i use a businesscard etch image it should prompt me which release i want? |
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| 09:42.45 | cmanns | :D |
| 09:42.49 | simonrvn | i don't bother with that detailed of versioning =) |
| 09:42.57 | berat | jetscreamer, |
| 09:43.02 | cast | gpm: could use debootstrap and specify the release, too |
| 09:43.08 | jetscreamer | the netinst has basefiles on it and they won't match when you change to testing in sources in the installer, but i think the businesscard will work |
| 09:43.12 | berat | picasa repo give warning about gpg |
| 09:43.16 | gpm | cast: but i want debian to be the only os on the hd |
| 09:43.29 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com rocks btw |
| 09:43.30 | cast | gpm: uh, yeah...hence livecd |
| 09:43.39 | simonrvn | berat: so add the gpg key to the apt key db |
| 09:43.40 | gpm | yeah...but if it doesn't prompt me it'll just install etch |
| 09:43.48 | berat | how ? |
| 09:44.00 | jetscreamer | gpm: expert install |
| 09:44.01 | gpm | cast: oh, i don't know anything about debootstrap, i always though it was for installing from a *nix system side-by-side |
| 09:44.17 | simonrvn | berat: "/msg dpkg apt-key keyid" keyid is whatever the key id is |
| 09:44.25 | cast | gpm: sure is, but one nix can be a livecd/dvd/etc... |
| 09:44.27 | gpm | jetscreamer: yeah, i just tried passing expert to the hd-images (no CDs necessary) but it just went with etch without asking me |
| 09:44.32 | gpm | cast: cool! |
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| 09:45.15 | simonrvn | debian live is making lots of progress (\o/) |
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| 09:45.28 | zms | do we have /lib/tls on Debian (sid)? |
| 09:45.29 | gpm | and for some weird reason there are no netboot/hd images of the nightlies on the d-i page |
| 09:45.35 | gpm | oh |
| 09:45.36 | gpm | nm |
| 09:45.40 | gpm | found it |
| 09:45.53 | yos87 | hi |
| 09:46.03 | berat | "/msg dpkg apt-key A040830F7FAC5991 |
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| 09:46.11 | simonrvn | zms: not on mine. last major glibc update ditched it IIRC |
| 09:46.15 | berat | sorry |
| 09:46.16 | berat | :D |
| 09:47.01 | yos87 | where can I buy adsl card work perfectly with debian? |
| 09:47.08 | blinx | http://paste.debian.net/35435 |
| 09:47.13 | zms | simonrvn: then I wonder who/why xen boot still compains about using tls and suggests renaming /lib/tls to /lib/tls.disabled... |
| 09:47.34 | gpm | jetscreamer: so, with the netboot images, i should be able to put kernel (hd0,0)/boot/linux expert and it will prompt me if about which release to install if i use the nightly netboot image? |
| 09:47.37 | cmanns | On a sata2 server with pretty new hardware what performance boos/risks does hdparam give? |
| 09:47.42 | simonrvn | probably left over from before the update |
| 09:47.46 | blinx | I want to modify this script: in the if part only a sighup should be send to lighty |
| 09:47.55 | berat | a quenstion |
| 09:47.56 | blinx | no reload or something else |
| 09:47.59 | simonrvn | zms: file a packaging bug if it bugs you ;p |
| 09:48.05 | berat | some repo wants and key |
| 09:48.11 | zms | simonrvn: but /lib/tls does not exist! Is there an alternate place or library that could be in use? |
| 09:48.14 | berat | it is security rreason |
| 09:48.20 | simonrvn | zms: no |
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| 09:48.32 | berat | but without a key we are able to install package that is in repo |
| 09:48.41 | berat | so what s for gpg key ? |
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| 09:49.05 | simonrvn | berat: help ensure data integrity |
| 09:49.38 | berat | hmm |
| 09:49.43 | berat | for data integrity |
| 09:49.51 | simonrvn | the packages |
| 09:50.13 | cast | if the mirror gets hacked you wont because apt will spot the fucked up dangerous packages :) |
| 09:50.22 | berat | some repo doesnt want key |
| 09:50.44 | simonrvn | berat: packages (the vast majority) have several hings implemented to make sure they're what they say they are |
| 09:50.49 | berat | what is the difference between the repo which want key and the repo which doesnt want a key |
| 09:51.01 | simonrvn | berat: some repos don't have keys |
| 09:51.16 | cast | simonrvn: what is hings? |
| 09:51.19 | berat | i just want to learn |
| 09:51.22 | cast | oh, nvm, things |
| 09:51.24 | simonrvn | berat: actually opoosite to what you're saying |
| 09:51.29 | simonrvn | typo :) |
| 09:51.36 | phrozen77_ | i wonder - is there a way to install packages from testing without interfering with the normal etch packages? |
| 09:51.37 | berat | why some address have key some adres doesnt |
| 09:51.38 | cast | was thinking "hings...hinges....hmm, several hinges...wonder what those are" |
| 09:51.39 | jetscreamer | just use official mirrors |
| 09:51.51 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:52.01 | jetscreamer | all you need is ftp.us.debian.org and debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:52.39 | simonrvn | berat: simply because some have instituted gpg signing of the repo, and some haven't |
| 09:53.04 | simonrvn | berat: technically, the Release file is signed (Release.gpg) |
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| 09:53.59 | simonrvn | hmm, nap, or coffee? |
| 09:54.18 | simonrvn | full moon makes me unsleepy :/ |
| 09:54.50 | cast | nap |
| 09:55.04 | SpeedyG | coffee |
| 09:55.09 | SpeedyG | coffee is always good! |
| 09:55.15 | simonrvn | my body agress with 'nap' |
| 09:55.16 | cast | but what he were to dream of sleeping with a supermodel |
| 09:55.33 | SpeedyG | coffee, dreams are fake :p |
| 09:55.39 | SpeedyG | coffee is real! |
| 09:55.40 | jetscreamer | 1 hour of sleep is much better than none |
| 09:55.46 | cmanns | mmm supermodel's and coffee |
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| 09:55.54 | jetscreamer | but it's harder to wake up |
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| 09:56.00 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: actually its better to take 3 hours of sleep than one |
| 09:56.03 | simonrvn | i dream of my wife or other women that stand out in my life |
| 09:56.06 | cmanns | jetscreamer, for some, if I sleep for a hr I'll get superrrr duper more tired and will pass out after being up a hr or so more. |
| 09:56.22 | simonrvn | i've had an hour already |
| 09:56.25 | cast | SpeedyG: and even better to take 8 hours than 3 ;) |
| 09:56.28 | SpeedyG | true |
| 09:56.29 | cmanns | Its best to get the full nights of sleep :) |
| 09:56.29 | cmanns | haha |
| 09:56.31 | cmanns | damnit |
| 09:56.36 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 09:56.37 | SpeedyG | sleep goes in blocks of 3 hours |
| 09:56.44 | SpeedyG | so better to take 9 hours then ;) |
| 09:56.49 | jetscreamer | i used to sleep 12-16 hours... now it's 3-6 |
| 09:56.52 | cmanns | I prefer 16hrs |
| 09:56.54 | mike1o | !bluetooth |
| 09:56.55 | dpkg | methinks bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. |
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| 09:57.11 | cast | SpeedyG: i saw that on a doco a long time ago, would be curious to see how much variation there is between individuals, i presume that 3 hours is an average |
| 09:57.29 | cmanns | I couldnt stand sleeping for 3hrs |
| 09:57.31 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: me too. average 10-12, now it's like 7-9 |
| 09:57.38 | SpeedyG | cast: all I know is that 3 hours works better for me than 4 |
| 09:57.38 | cmanns | I'd rather say up 48hrs then sleep 3 |
| 09:58.00 | cmanns | Ever have those dreams where you feel like your flying? |
| 09:58.02 | cast | SpeedyG: maybe your optimal period is a multiple of 1.5! *ducks* |
| 09:58.10 | SpeedyG | gheh :0 |
| 09:58.11 | jetscreamer | i prefer not to dream |
| 09:58.15 | simonrvn | cmanns: 2 weeks ago |
| 09:58.17 | jetscreamer | vastly |
| 09:58.18 | cmanns | lol |
| 09:58.29 | SpeedyG | dreaming is exhausting as well |
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| 09:58.44 | cmanns | Last night I had a dream someone im'd me, I woke up and looked and there was no im. Yet it was so vivid. |
| 09:58.44 | cast | i like dreams. i never have flying or falling dreams though. last night i dreamt people were trying to kill me in cruel ways, one large fellow was trying to get a fork in my eye :( |
| 09:58.56 | jetscreamer | dreams are a window to other worlds |
| 09:59.07 | cmanns | I used to dream I was shot and killed for a gap of months |
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| 09:59.09 | jetscreamer | sometimes you slip |
| 09:59.26 | phrozen77_ | is there a way to install packages from testing without interfering with the normal etch packages (ie no "Broken packages" message when trying to upgrade or install some other programs that depend on earlier versions of some packages) |
| 09:59.37 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 09:59.38 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 09:59.39 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: sure are. the vivid ones, and/flying ones usually mean you're going somewhere, or you should make note of it |
| 09:59.48 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: and/or* |
| 09:59.48 | gpm | how do i specify expert mode if i'm using netboot images to install debian? i tried adding "expert" as a kernel paramater, but it didn't ask me about static ip or which release to install... |
| 09:59.51 | jetscreamer | hard to forget them |
| 10:00.14 | cmanns | My friend always tells me he dreamed situaitons we've been in |
| 10:00.15 | jetscreamer | flying is an action of will |
| 10:00.17 | wintix | gpm: just type expert and hit enter |
| 10:00.22 | simonrvn | best dream interpreter is yourself, once you understand your own symbology |
| 10:00.32 | zms | gpm: expert network/disable_dhcp=true |
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| 10:00.52 | gpm | wintix: there's no prompt, i downloaded initrd.gz and linux and am booting from grub, i guess i'm asking what to add to menu.lst |
| 10:01.01 | zms | gpm: press F[1-7] for exact syntax |
| 10:01.09 | gpm | zms: i'm not using a CD |
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| 10:01.17 | zms | gpm: oh |
| 10:01.22 | gpm | i'm using the netboot images, initrd.gz and linux |
| 10:01.23 | wintix | gpm: hmm. why not use a cd? |
| 10:01.40 | gpm | because i don't want to waste a cd. and because it's cooler to not use a CD |
| 10:01.42 | gpm | :-P |
| 10:01.50 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 10:02.36 | Zomb | gpm: why not use a DVD+RW? |
| 10:02.52 | gpm | i thought i could just do kernel (hd,0)/boot/linux expert vga=blah....the vga part worked but the expert didn't |
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| 10:03.25 | gpm | Zomb: i could, but this is more interesting. i'm not on any kind of time crunch, just exploring the various ways to install debian |
| 10:03.37 | xlq | I found a bug with the 'makedepend' Debian package. Where should I report it? |
| 10:03.43 | gpm | bts |
| 10:03.44 | simonrvn | cmanns: death usually means big chances in your life, or that you need to make big changes. there's certain symbols that are common to many people. also take note of your own cultural context, that can influence you and the dream symbols |
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| 10:03.52 | simonrvn | cmanns: er big changes* |
| 10:04.16 | cmanns | I found out my girlfriend was cheating amonth or so later |
| 10:04.20 | gpm | meh. i'll try again in the morning. 's late. |
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| 10:04.50 | simonrvn | cmanns: ah, yeh. |
| 10:05.46 | cast | cmanns: how did you find out? |
| 10:05.56 | cmanns | Oh |
| 10:05.57 | cast | "she tasted different"...wait...ignore that. |
| 10:06.01 | cmanns | nah |
| 10:06.07 | cmanns | I moved 20 mins away |
| 10:06.13 | cmanns | and like |
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| 10:06.44 | jetscreamer | !lart cast |
| 10:06.54 | cmanns | She didnt ever wanna see me then I noticed a faint friend of mine had her on his myspace top and when I went to her myspace he was like why does your profile say single. lol |
| 10:07.32 | cmanns | I had his ex girlfriend (who is a good friend to him) ask him who hes with and he said my girlfriend so I was Mr.Awesome and screwed her shit up and told him haha. |
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| 10:09.09 | simonrvn | wow, i haven't seen that in a while. an ssh dictionary attack |
| 10:10.33 | simonrvn | cmanns: lemme guess, you started getting that dream when their thing started |
| 10:10.40 | cmanns | no it was prior |
| 10:10.50 | cmanns | I found out from another friend she was doin shit with her ex. |
| 10:10.52 | simonrvn | ok |
| 10:10.57 | cmanns | prior to that guy. |
| 10:11.04 | cmanns | So your kinda right. |
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| 10:12.13 | simonrvn | you can kinda see why we're big on the dreams and visions ;) |
| 10:12.24 | cmanns | yeah |
| 10:12.26 | cmanns | Its kinda weird |
| 10:12.33 | dell_lin | how do i view/acess windows machine from my linux server |
| 10:12.53 | petemc | rdesktop, vnc |
| 10:12.59 | cmanns | That guy that i had a dream that im'd me might hire me to setup his server better lol even more odd is we dont talk, lasttime was like 6 months ago. |
| 10:13.14 | cmanns | I found that out today when he actually im'd me. |
| 10:13.46 | simonrvn | cmanns: someone trying to send you a message, but you're not getting it (double meaning intended, up to you to figure that out) |
| 10:13.54 | simonrvn | ah :) |
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| 10:14.32 | dell_lin | on local setup |
| 10:14.34 | cmanns | too bad my dream about getting 12 xeon processors didnt come true simonrvn :( |
| 10:14.41 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 10:14.56 | simonrvn | dell_lin: see what petemc said |
| 10:15.10 | cmanns | When debian is installed is it setup pretty good stock or should I change anything? |
| 10:15.33 | simonrvn | cmanns: yeh. customising is optional ;) |
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| 10:16.09 | cmanns | The company I rent servers through automatically sets up the os its been pretty good but since I'm taking all the sites offline I was thinking if theres any optimizations I should do might wanna do then once I fresh install incase something breaks. |
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| 10:16.55 | simonrvn | snapshot or make a full backup ;) |
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| 10:17.21 | graytron | should "aptitude search '~b'" list any partially installed packages? |
| 10:18.14 | simonrvn | dunno =) |
| 10:18.30 | simonrvn | it's for broken |
| 10:18.52 | zms | simonrvn: I have been told that some of the xen tools now depend on tls so which packages would provide that in debian now? libc6-xen? |
| 10:18.53 | cmanns | I already did make a backup just waiting on my friend with the gig-e pipes to finish backing up the rest of my stuff. Anything I should look into to boost performance I'm going to be using php/mysqld |
| 10:18.58 | dell_lin | ok |
| 10:18.59 | dell_lin | thanks |
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| 10:19.18 | Azur1 | hi all |
| 10:19.54 | simonrvn | zms: i don't know. ask in #xen or something. i haven't messed with that stuff so my knowledge is very limited. or stick around here and ask again in a bit |
| 10:20.32 | Azur1 | i am trying to install bin2iso on my Debian etch but when i try to compile it withgcc -o bin2iso bin2iso19b.c i have aan error like this : bin2iso19b.c:4:16: error: io.h: No such file or directory can someone help ??? |
| 10:20.53 | Azur1 | any ideas ? |
| 10:21.09 | qrck | is there a way to pipe some filenames to cp ? |
| 10:21.23 | jetscreamer | !any ideas |
| 10:21.23 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little thermal paste, and a handful of rabid goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 10:21.30 | Lukemob | Hello, how do I move an user to specified group? |
| 10:21.40 | Guerin | qrck: yes. xargs |
| 10:21.40 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 10:21.41 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 10:22.02 | Azur1 | i already have installed build-essentials |
| 10:22.10 | Azur1 | i even try to reinstall it |
| 10:22.13 | qrck | Guerin: i tried that already without success |
| 10:22.13 | Azur1 | but no use |
| 10:22.15 | zms | simonrvn: I am trying #debian-xen also. We have very less people there... But thank you. |
| 10:22.19 | jetscreamer | beyond me then |
| 10:22.27 | Lukemob | Does anyone know??? |
| 10:22.53 | qrck | grep -e '-2.6.1.so' * | cut -d " " -f4|xargs| cp -f /lib/tls does not work |
| 10:22.58 | jetscreamer | adduser user group |
| 10:23.17 | Lukemob | thx jetscreamer |
| 10:23.18 | petemc | zms: using libc6-xen means you dont have to disable tls |
| 10:23.22 | Azur1 | any other ideas ? |
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| 10:25.37 | Azur1 | ???????? |
| 10:26.41 | Azur1 | i am trying to install bin2iso on my Debian etch but when i try to compile it withgcc -o bin2iso bin2iso19b.c i have aan error like this : bin2iso19b.c:4:16: error: io.h: No such file or directory can someone help ??? |
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| 10:28.13 | petemc | Azur1: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:28.14 | zms | petemc: but you would still get warnings about using /lib/tls with suggestion to disable it? how does the hypervisor know that tls is disabled or not? Do I create a dummy lib/tls.disabed just to satisfy xen? |
| 10:28.42 | petemc | zms: just installing libc6-xen should be enough |
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| 10:29.01 | Trewas | Azur1: there's bchunk in debian, it converts from cue/bin to .iso (which sounds like what bin2iso does) |
| 10:29.19 | zms | petemc: I thought so too. but I do get the warning and also "ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)" :( |
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| 10:29.41 | Azur1 | yes but bin2iso doesn't need a cue file |
| 10:30.45 | Trewas | ah ok... not that I have even seen cue/bin images without cue-files :) |
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| 10:31.49 | Azur1 | i just want to know why i have problem with gcc ? |
| 10:31.58 | Azur1 | this is the main problem |
| 10:32.03 | petemc | Azur1: did you read the search factoid? |
| 10:32.05 | graytron | i'm wondering if i should "aptitude upgrade" after "aptitude install initrd-tools" when upgrading sarge to etch, instead of upgrading libfam0 and xlibmesa-glu first |
| 10:32.33 | Azur1 | yes |
| 10:32.49 | petemc | Azur1: and you now know which package provides that file? |
| 10:32.56 | petemc | graytron: did you read the release notes? |
| 10:33.12 | Azur1 | io.h ? |
| 10:33.23 | Azur1 | it is supposed to be in build-essential |
| 10:33.31 | Azur1 | it is one of the main headers |
| 10:33.46 | streuner_ | petemc: thats what simonrvn already told him.. |
| 10:33.47 | Lukemob | Is there a way, how to see all the users in the specified group? |
| 10:33.54 | petemc | streuner_: im aware |
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| 10:34.44 | graytron | petemc: yes i did, and that's why im wondering |
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| 10:35.26 | graytron | petemc: it suggested upgrade before, so i thought it might be a good idea to upgrade in "smaller" steaps |
| 10:35.29 | graytron | steps |
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| 10:37.02 | petemc | graytron: well, fwiw i dont recall any issues with those packages when i upgraded my boxes |
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| 10:38.21 | dell_lin | how to scan which ip (comp) are on /up in network |
| 10:38.47 | petemc | nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 10:38.57 | petemc | if they respond to pings, that is |
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| 10:39.34 | dell_lin | ok |
| 10:39.36 | dell_lin | thanks |
| 10:40.23 | zms | I was researching my ata1: COMRESET failed errors and came across this "http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-ide@vger.kernel.org/msg09294.html" I am not competent enough to understand this. Can someone please take a look? |
| 10:41.15 | dell_lin | petemc: can u pls tell me how do i check all open port on one comp or all comp |
| 10:41.49 | petemc | dell_lin: -sS and -sU , anything you need is in the nmap man page |
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| 10:44.05 | dell_lin | petemc: yes i tryed this things before and now getting error |
| 10:44.10 | Lukemob | Is there a way, how to see all the users in the specified group? |
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| 10:44.30 | petemc | Lukemob: look in /etc/groups |
| 10:44.37 | petemc | erm, group |
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| 10:44.45 | petemc | dell_lin: what kind of errors? |
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| 10:45.44 | dell_lin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:46.09 | petemc | dell_lin: so, nmap -P0 .. |
| 10:46.14 | dell_lin | but when i try again with that P0 option its blank |
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| 10:47.07 | FordCortina | i've just upgrade from debian 2.18 kernel sources with macintel patches to kernel.org 2.6.22.5 sources with macintel patches. I've got one little problem which is that my battery status applet doesnt work? does anybody know if it has any special kernel requirements? i'm getting sensible output fromcat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info so i dont see what the problem is really! :S |
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| 10:47.43 | FordCortina | that's the gnome battstatus applet btw |
| 10:48.25 | alfatau | hello, how can i set as global locale default language en_US.UTF-8 ?? even if i try launching dpkg-reconfigure locales system continues having default language set to another one... can you help me? |
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| 10:50.35 | qrck | copy SUPPORTED from /usr/share/X11/locales to /etc/locale.gen and then do a command locale-gen, seems you don't have the locales created |
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| 10:51.13 | qrck | setting your default locale with dpkg is not a substitute for having them created |
| 10:51.14 | mashuuk | Hi |
| 10:51.46 | qrck | you can delete those you don't need though as the creation of your locales will take time if you're on a slow pc |
| 10:52.19 | mashuuk | Where I can find patch to compile kernel for powerpc? |
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| 10:58.37 | plasmab2 | I want to reconfigure a debian machine to automatically run "yes | fsck" and reboot if the disk is in a bad or inconsistent state at startup. |
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| 11:01.53 | azeem | plasmab2: that sounds like brushing over the issue to me |
| 11:02.52 | plasmab2 | azeem: nope... the machine is in a cabinate on a railway embankment and very inacessable |
| 11:03.04 | plasmab2 | needs to come up if it possibly can |
| 11:03.20 | cast | how interesting. what does the machine do? |
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| 11:03.33 | azeem | plasmab2: what about a serial console? |
| 11:03.49 | tim_afflatus | I attempted to re-install one of my machines using the net-installer yesterday. Everything went fine apart from writing GRUB to the MBR. I now get an error 18 on reboot. Is there any way of fixing GRUB without completely re-running the install? |
| 11:03.50 | plasmab2 | http://www.metronocturne.com/projectgal.html |
| 11:03.58 | plasmab2 | controls that bridge |
| 11:04.30 | plasmab2 | azeem: it has to come up if it has a random power failure in the middle of the night... it *has* to be automatic |
| 11:04.33 | tim_afflatus | I need to figure out why it won't write to the MBR first. |
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| 11:06.00 | tim_afflatus | If this is a wood-for-the-trees FAQ. Please put me out of my misery. ;) |
| 11:06.05 | cast | this sounds kinda serious....so you don't have a big ups eh? |
| 11:06.21 | cast | big ups -> shutdown cleanly before the battery goes flat sounds like a good idea to me |
| 11:06.56 | plasmab2 | cast: i did a 500 grand installation ... think i didnt think of that? there is no room in the cabinate for a ups because the railway company fucked up |
| 11:07.31 | plasmab2 | even then i've been screaming to get a ups |
| 11:07.40 | plasmab2 | but no... they wont install one |
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| 11:08.30 | Swat2 | Stupid question, i have a few tar files, if i cat tarfile.tar > /dev/ht0 would it be the same as originally taring them to /dev/ht0 ? |
| 11:08.48 | plasmab2 | and the damn thing just got hit by lightning... and i've rebuilt it... and i have written a manual process that effectively gets a monkey to press y at the console if there is a really bad error which is about the same as "yes | fsck" only much more expensive |
| 11:09.32 | plasmab2 | anyways i got the answer from the #linux guys |
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| 11:09.54 | spx2 | Is there any KOrganizer-like application for Console ? |
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| 11:12.21 | plasmab2 | cast, mmmm interesting idea |
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| 11:12.52 | cast | you could log to a remote host, too, if thats an option and logs are important |
| 11:13.11 | plasmab2 | or i could mount /var separately |
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| 11:17.23 | plasmab2 | another dumb question... i want make up an installer from the packages installed on another debian box... there a howto on this? |
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| 11:18.16 | DustyBin | is there a way to make .htaccess password authentication in apache more secure? ie. encrypting the password with ssl ? |
| 11:18.20 | cast | could you just do a base install then install them like this: |
| 11:18.24 | cast | !reinstall |
| 11:18.24 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 11:18.56 | cast | the --get-selections/set part |
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| 11:19.15 | plasmab2 | cast, cool thanks... would need to write a script to download the specific packages though right? |
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| 11:19.43 | cast | plasmab2: nah, apt will download them for you if you set up /etc/apt/sources.list properly |
| 11:20.04 | plasmab2 | i'm assuming no initial net connection and creating an installer from cd |
| 11:20.43 | cast | ahh. there's prob some way to fill the cd with the pkgs you want and use the cd as an apt source, the details of that i am unfamilar with |
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| 11:21.10 | plasmab2 | ok cool... the get selections is a bit help though |
| 11:21.12 | plasmab2 | thanks |
| 11:21.17 | cast | if the computers are similar/identical you could tarball / and extract that, fixing /etc/shadow and /etc/network etc...as need be |
| 11:21.33 | jetscreamer | you can just put .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 11:21.37 | spx2 | Is there any KOrganizer-like application for Console ? |
| 11:21.47 | jetscreamer | and apt-get will reuse them |
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| 11:21.55 | eth01 | where can I find the zlib path? |
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| 11:22.15 | Swat2 | i have a few tar files that i need to put on my tape drive (/dev/ht0), if i: cat tarfile.tar > /dev/ht0 would it be the same as originally taring them to /dev/ht0 ? |
| 11:22.16 | plasmab2 | jetscreamer, i'm trying to write a dvd that reinstalls a box automatically |
| 11:22.23 | plasmab2 | that doesnt help |
| 11:22.43 | Swat2 | plasmab2: isnt there a debian package that does that for you |
| 11:22.47 | jetscreamer | just zip it up and unzip it, or look at the ubuntu livecd |
| 11:22.50 | cast | oh, if its reinstall just make a tarball :D |
| 11:22.51 | plasmab2 | cast, yeah that would work... just sought the cleaner way tot do that |
| 11:23.15 | plasmab2 | Swat2, yeah im sure jigdo could be persuaded |
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| 11:23.16 | cast | last time i installed openbsd that was just extracting tarballs...so it can't be that bad |
| 11:23.35 | jetscreamer | you could just d/l a dvd iso and burn it |
| 11:23.45 | Swat2 | plasmab2: what about the "dump" command |
| 11:24.32 | plasmab2 | jetscreamer, again doesnt help because there are packages from all sorts of sources and i want to save space on the dvd for other things |
| 11:24.34 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 11:24.34 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 11:24.52 | jetscreamer | there's how i guess |
| 11:24.56 | plasmab2 | Swat2, i'll rtfm |
| 11:25.21 | plasmab2 | jetscreamer, the machine currently runs deb 3.1 and i have no plans to change that |
| 11:25.36 | jetscreamer | hence the term 'custom' |
| 11:25.44 | jetscreamer | but whatever |
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| 11:27.10 | plasmab2 | hey jetscreamer, thanks for the input |
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| 11:27.32 | fantomas | Hi. How to use Sablotron on PHP5? I see no php5-xslt packages in Debian, just new php5-xsl which is in fact not a Sablotron. |
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| 11:29.26 | plasmab2 | Swat2, dump would be good if i could restore from a sarge install i guess |
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| 11:31.11 | bullgard4 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_memory: "In the GNU/Linux and BSD operating systems, it is common to use a whole partition of a hard disk for swapping." www.geocities.com/keithparris/decus_presentations/su2002_linux_internals.ppt: "Despite terminology like “swap partitionâ€, Linux actually does only paging, not swapping." Both statements contradict . Which one is correct? |
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| 11:32.24 | Swat2 | Anyone got any ideas about my tar question? |
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| 11:32.53 | wookienz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:39.27 | eth01 | MAXCONNECTIONS << where can I edit that file? |
| 11:40.00 | eth01 | Hard Limit: 1024 IRC max: 3070 ** |
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| 11:42.59 | solitude | bullgard4 |
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| 11:43.05 | solitude | linux pages as far as im aware |
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| 11:45.13 | anandanbu | I want to install debian4.0 in a system with ubuntu 7.04 and windowsxp with a free space of 25gb how do i install it and what are the steps that i have to take |
| 11:45.48 | eth01 | partitions |
| 11:46.40 | bullgard4 | solitude: So Wikipedia errs here, doesn't it? |
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| 11:49.23 | Trying__2 | floppy installation: no detecting my hd, but it's working. |
| 11:49.36 | Trying__2 | the error: hda invalid geometry 86 physical heads? |
| 11:50.13 | Trying__2 | partition table and mbr messed for me :P |
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| 11:50.49 | Trying__2 | but i formated the hd with a win 98 boot floopy and also with ranish partition manager |
| 11:50.59 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 11:51.00 | Trying__2 | but the error is still there |
| 11:51.10 | anapivirtua | Hi world. |
| 11:51.20 | jetscreamer | use cfdisk and delete the partitions and make new ones |
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| 11:51.34 | jetscreamer | as root, cfdisk /dev/hda |
| 11:51.48 | jetscreamer | but |
| 11:51.58 | jetscreamer | i'm not sure about the heads |
| 11:52.05 | jetscreamer | what kind of hd |
| 11:52.23 | Trying__2 | laptop one, hitachi ata 40gigs |
| 11:53.03 | jetscreamer | it might have some dos compatability setting in the bios |
| 11:53.09 | dell_lin | sorry this is many be basic quation to all but it big quation to me where i can use export (bash) command what is purpose of this command and where it is use mostly |
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| 11:53.43 | Trying__2 | i reset to the bios default |
| 11:53.51 | petemc | dell_lin: to export variables so they are availble to sub shells |
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| 11:54.08 | Trying__2 | jetscreamer how i can acces to cfdisk |
| 11:54.15 | dell_lin | sub shells ? |
| 11:54.19 | dacs | morning guys |
| 11:54.36 | jetscreamer | if it was me, i would make sure it's set up in bios correctly, autodetect / lba , then reboot and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda then use cfdisk /dev/hda after rebooting again... but that's me |
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| 11:55.00 | dacs | where can i find info about setting up an FTP server on my box, running debian etch 4.0 please |
| 11:55.06 | cast | dell_lin: setting environmental variables, various programs use them |
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| 11:55.29 | Trying__2 | ok |
| 11:55.32 | Trying__2 | i'll try |
| 11:55.34 | Trying__2 | thx! |
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| 11:55.41 | Trying__2 | i'll report somthg |
| 11:55.54 | dell_lin | ok |
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| 11:57.33 | solar_sea | Can I ask here about problems with ati's fglrx driver and etch ? |
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| 11:58.01 | jetscreamer | you can, you can also ask in #ati |
| 11:58.03 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 11:58.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:58.05 | jetscreamer | !ati |
| 11:58.06 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com |
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| 11:59.02 | solar_sea | okey, etch with 2.6.18-5-k7 kernel, self-build ati driver 8.28.8-4 with module-assistant |
| 11:59.13 | jelly-home | who put the email address into the factiod? poor chap will get spam. |
| 11:59.28 | solar_sea | upon modprobe fglrx the kernel log says " [fglrx:firegl_init_module] *ERROR* firegl_stub_register failed" |
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| 12:00.36 | dacs | where can i find info about setting up an FTP server on my box, running debian etch 4.0 please |
| 12:00.41 | jetscreamer | you don't modprobe fglrx afaik, just use it in xorg.conf, but no idea |
| 12:00.42 | solar_sea | is there any step that I'm missing in the installation or it's just a bad combination of a kernel and drivers ? |
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| 12:06.49 | dacs | !ftp |
| 12:06.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 12:07.29 | dacs | !ftp server |
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| 12:07.58 | abrotman | dacs: don't use ftp unless you have to |
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| 12:08.27 | ribnitz | heyas. If you want to build a repository for different versions of documents there is cvs, and subversion, any others?- what would people recommend? |
| 12:08.39 | cast | ribnitz: yeah, i really like mercurial |
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| 12:08.59 | dacs | abrotman: sometimes i will be at friend house and i need a software, and i know i have at my box , so i want to be able to download it |
| 12:09.02 | cast | ribnitz: cvs doesn't have much going for it in light of subversion now |
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| 12:09.13 | abrotman | dacs: ftp is horribly insecure |
| 12:09.22 | dacs | abrotman: what you suggest |
| 12:09.25 | cast | dacs: then use thttpd |
| 12:09.29 | abrotman | dacs: what other access do you have ? |
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| 12:09.34 | petemc | dacs: openssh, winscp on your friends machine |
| 12:09.39 | ribnitz | cast: Will be mostly clear-text sources, perhaps a few pdfs. |
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| 12:10.12 | dacs | ssh |
| 12:10.14 | imobot | hi evryone, i got question, what apache2 mod is reading: .htaccess files from dir?. |
| 12:10.39 | ribnitz | dacs: sftp? |
| 12:10.49 | ribnitz | dacs: aka ftp over ssh.. |
| 12:10.50 | dacs | !sftp |
| 12:10.50 | dpkg | i guess sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
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| 12:11.25 | dacs | nice thnx |
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| 12:12.46 | cast | ribnitz: well, mercurial is very neat. and seems to be adopted for some big projects like opensolaris and xen. subversion has tortisesvn which is an awesome windows explorer extension for subversion, mercurial has no such easy to install gui interface for windows yet |
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| 12:13.18 | spx2 | how do i give low priority to a process ? |
| 12:13.23 | cast | imobot: theres a #apache process |
| 12:13.28 | ribnitz | cast: will mostl ikely be linux; using cvs so far. |
| 12:13.32 | abrotman | spx2: man renice |
| 12:13.33 | plasmab2 | spx2, man nice |
| 12:13.38 | ribnitz | spx2: nice |
| 12:13.42 | spx2 | I have a Number Theoretic-application wich is very cpu-consuming |
| 12:13.50 | spx2 | and I need to run it for lots of time |
| 12:13.54 | cast | i like htop too :) |
| 12:14.05 | spx2 | maybe some people here have some servers i could run it on ? |
| 12:14.08 | abrotman | spx2: man renice |
| 12:14.12 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 12:14.12 | spx2 | abrotman ok |
| 12:14.13 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:14.20 | abrotman | no one wants to run your stuff :) |
| 12:14.47 | cast | spx2: hmm......cbf reading all the source for trojans :) |
| 12:14.50 | spx2 | abrotman: I need about 24-48h of run |
| 12:15.07 | abrotman | still don't care |
| 12:15.07 | spx2 | cast the source for my application is open , if you care I'll show it to you |
| 12:15.10 | spx2 | I mean no harm |
| 12:15.11 | cast | spx2: a 4 core intel cpu is amazingly cheap, use ifort or icc and it'll go fast me thinks |
| 12:15.24 | spx2 | cast: i'm low on cash :( |
| 12:15.26 | plasmab2 | spx2, have another look at your code... optimise.. i got a projected sim for my phd down from 200 years to 30 seconds by optiimising it |
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| 12:15.33 | dacs | spx2: get another box and make your own server |
| 12:15.49 | spx2 | dacs: I'm low on money |
| 12:15.57 | abrotman | plasmab2: that must have been some awful code :) |
| 12:16.20 | ribnitz | spx2: virtualisation? |
| 12:16.21 | plasmab2 | abrotman, no i just made no assumptions the first time round... and i didnt use GPU's to do parallel processing |
| 12:16.38 | abrotman | cheaters use GPUs! |
| 12:17.01 | plasmab2 | abrotman, huh? |
| 12:17.12 | abrotman | my humor sucks |
| 12:17.36 | plasmab2 | i also moved to fixed point floating point emulation by using integers for parts of the code |
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| 12:17.58 | spx2 | ribnitz: ? |
| 12:18.17 | plasmab2 | and it made the acuracy more quantifiable |
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| 12:18.38 | ribnitz | spx2: like Xen. |
| 12:19.10 | spx2 | plasmab2: i deal only with integers and also my calculations involve the powerset wich for high # has exponential complexity |
| 12:19.37 | spx2 | plasmab2: i need to parallelise it on multiple threads and have a bigger machine |
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| 12:19.46 | spx2 | plasmab2: i'm trying to proove a conjecture up to big cases |
| 12:20.03 | abrotman | you need a rent-a-cluster from sun :) |
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| 12:20.15 | plasmab2 | spx2, so its a large phase space examination? |
| 12:20.28 | spx2 | abrotman: i'm writing in perl , i'm pretty sure sun would agree only if i were dealing with java |
| 12:20.31 | spx2 | plasmab2: yes |
| 12:20.54 | plasmab2 | ok.. unless you have a very good reason not to... re-wrtie in C |
| 12:20.56 | abrotman | spx2: uhm .. sun would probably prefer C i'd guess |
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| 12:23.24 | plasmab2 | spx.. failing that write all the inner loops in C and use python or another scripting language for your scripts. thats what i did and it was so much faster *and* just as easy to change the parameters of the search |
| 12:23.51 | plasmab2 | and your doing maths in perl??? you freak |
| 12:24.05 | spx2 | plasmab2: if you would see how easy one can express in perl ... |
| 12:24.08 | abrotman | masochist is the word you're looking for :) |
| 12:24.29 | spx2 | plasmab2: perl understands me |
| 12:24.30 | plasmab2 | i know.. but perl is a language designed for processing text |
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| 12:24.55 | plasmab2 | and its generally a write only language |
| 12:25.09 | spx2 | what parameter am i supposed to give nice to get a lower priority for my process ? is 10 high priority or low priority ? |
| 12:25.18 | spx2 | plasmab2: "write only" ? |
| 12:25.26 | abrotman | 19 is the lowest |
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| 12:25.37 | jelly-home | spx2: negative numbers are higher priority. |
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| 12:25.59 | abrotman | and unless you have a lot going on with your box .. 19 will still get it tons of run time |
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| 12:26.35 | qmr | I've just installed samba on debian |
| 12:26.48 | qmr | I can connect ok from tnhe local host samba is running on, but I get NT STATUS LOGON FAILURE when I try to connect from a different machine on the LAN |
| 12:26.58 | qmr | wtf? |
| 12:27.01 | spx2 | abrotman: lemme try that |
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| 12:27.38 | spx2 | plasmab2: I'm sure my problem could be reformulated using some recurrences and I'll calculate things much faster |
| 12:28.04 | spx2 | :) |
| 12:28.35 | spx2 | abrotman: my computer's working pretty slow :( |
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| 12:28.57 | spx2 | abrotman: hmmm ... |
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| 12:29.08 | abrotman | and i don't have a phd :) |
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| 12:29.50 | abrotman | spx2: if this is for your job .. why are you low on money ? |
| 12:30.01 | Ast001 | hello |
| 12:30.43 | Ast001 | just installed debain 64bit on my computer and there is no sound and alsa can not find device |
| 12:31.00 | abrotman | which sound device ? lspci |
| 12:31.11 | Ast001 | realteck alc833 |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | i've never heard of that .. |
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| 12:32.18 | abrotman | !hcl |
| 12:32.18 | Meaw | it's realtek not realteck |
| 12:32.18 | dpkg | [hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, or http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/ |
| 12:32.22 | cast | heh...yeah, suns grid is pretty cool. |
| 12:32.24 | Ast001 | 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 12:32.24 | Ast001 | Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 12:32.32 | abrotman | oh .. tha tmakes more sense |
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| 12:32.58 | abrotman | is that drirver in etch ? |
| 12:33.04 | jelly-home | Ast001: snd-hda-intel is your driver, probably |
| 12:33.04 | abrotman | !tell Ast001 about hcl |
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| 12:33.49 | Ast001 | ok i'll check |
| 12:35.04 | jelly-home | my onboard Card: HDA ATI SB, Chip: Realtek ALC260 uses that driver, but only works decently from 2.6.20 up |
| 12:35.37 | CalJohn | what's a good replacement for xview? ie, so I can run a line like "for i in *jpeg; do xview $i; done |
| 12:35.56 | abrotman | you want to open them all ? |
| 12:36.05 | abrotman | eog or feh aren't bad |
| 12:36.05 | spx2 | abrotman: it seems now i'm doing for n=20 and it's working pretty much okay with the priorities :) |
| 12:36.10 | spx2 | abrotman: i used nice |
| 12:36.11 | jelly-home | CalJohn: if your card does OpenGL, gliv; qiv might be nice too |
| 12:36.26 | abrotman | spx2: okay |
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| 12:36.39 | spx2 | abrotman: this is not for my job , my salary is low,so that's why i'm low on money |
| 12:36.50 | abrotman | spx2: ah ok |
| 12:37.54 | spx2 | jelly-home: the algo has exponential time in general invariant of number of iterations |
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| 12:38.38 | jelly-home | spx2: yeah, but the way you stated it previously sounded funny |
| 12:38.42 | cast | i got 2x speed improvements by using ifort, FWIW :) |
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| 12:38.53 | abrotman | cast: with perl ? |
| 12:38.54 | RichW | what does rc and ii mean on dpkg -l ? |
| 12:39.00 | cast | ifort -> intel fortran |
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| 12:39.18 | spx2 | cast: what's ifrot ? |
| 12:39.31 | spx2 | oooh |
| 12:39.34 | jelly-home | cast: at least you were using the right language :-) |
| 12:39.52 | saas_ | hi. is it customary for a comapny to have two server administrators ? or is it even possible or safe? |
| 12:40.00 | spx2 | cast: I'm pretty sure pari/gp would be better for me ... but uhm i'm tired of learning another language |
| 12:40.05 | cast | jelly-home: well, they started writing that FEM program in the 80's...i'm surprised its lasted this long |
| 12:40.22 | spx2 | cast: what does FEM mean ? |
| 12:40.32 | cast | finite element modeling |
| 12:40.35 | jelly-home | RichiH: see those first three lines in dpkg -l output? The first line explains the first letter, etc |
| 12:40.45 | jelly-home | RichW: see those first three lines in dpkg -l output? The first line explains the first letter, etc |
| 12:40.50 | RichW | ok |
| 12:41.18 | spx2 | cast: so where did they apply that ? |
| 12:41.33 | spx2 | jelly-home: does irssi have completion ? |
| 12:41.40 | cast | spx2: fluid models |
| 12:41.54 | jelly-home | spx2: no idea, I don't use it |
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| 12:42.03 | abrotman | spx2: yes it does |
| 12:42.04 | cast | irssi certainly does have tab completion |
| 12:42.10 | RichW | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 12:42.10 | RichW | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 12:42.10 | RichW | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 12:42.15 | plasmab2 | anyone know if there is a way to make an ext2/3 partition pretend its in a really bad state so that i can test the recovery processes? |
| 12:42.16 | abrotman | we know what it says .. |
| 12:42.17 | RichW | dont make that much sense to me |
| 12:42.20 | cast | reminds me, vim has word, [ctrl-n], line and file completion |
| 12:42.30 | abrotman | RichW: it's pointing .. you take one letter per row |
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| 12:42.57 | abrotman | RichW: so "ii" is Install/Installed |
| 12:42.59 | jelly-home | RichW: rc ... Desired state: Remove; current status: Config-files (removed, only config files are left on the system) |
| 12:43.03 | RichW | i see |
| 12:43.53 | dErFF | how can i edit my X config |
| 12:43.57 | dErFF | Xorgconfig |
| 12:44.18 | simonrvn | !drxx dErFF |
| 12:44.18 | dpkg | dErFF: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 12:44.36 | cast | plasmab2: just simulate what you're afraid of happening...pull the power out on it a few hundred times :) |
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| 12:45.39 | dErFF | dpkg-reconfigure is a not found command :( |
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| 12:45.51 | simonrvn | it's in /usr/sbin |
| 12:46.09 | simonrvn | !find bin/dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:46.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dpkg-reconfigure' (1): (/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure) in admin/debconf. |
| 12:46.20 | plasmab2 | cast, tried that.... sods law |
| 12:46.21 | abrotman | dErFF: are you root? |
| 12:46.40 | jelly-home | plasmab2: write a couple hundred random sectors around the filesystem |
| 12:46.46 | plasmab2 | no |
| 12:46.49 | Meaw | seems german, not root :) |
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| 12:47.03 | abrotman | put it back! |
| 12:47.14 | dErFF | ya |
| 12:47.14 | dErFF | im root |
| 12:47.19 | dErFF | wait |
| 12:47.20 | dErFF | hold on |
| 12:47.22 | simonrvn | echo $ |
| 12:47.28 | simonrvn | arg |
| 12:47.29 | simonrvn | PATH |
| 12:47.39 | cast | plasmab2: i think they did that with ZFS 1000x during testing and didn't get any data loss...of course i remember things wrongly sometimes |
| 12:48.27 | simonrvn | dErFF: echo $PATH |
| 12:48.43 | jelly-home | cast: the ixt3 paper is illuminating. Some things have been fixed in meantime, but most of the Linux fs really don't like their metadata futzed |
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| 12:50.11 | plasmab2 | im not bothered about data loss |
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| 12:50.11 | plasmab2 | more that i need the machine to come up fully or not at all |
| 12:50.14 | cast | sure you are, lose the kernel and you're in shit |
| 12:50.29 | plasmab2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.37 | plasmab2 | this is a safety critical system |
| 12:50.42 | plasmab2 | its allowed to be off completely |
| 12:50.49 | plasmab2 | but it cant be in a half assed state |
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| 12:51.27 | plasmab2 | up or down... but i never want to see the "type root password for maintainence" prompt |
| 12:51.50 | jelly-home | plasmab2: a watchdog ought to deal with that, no? If the system doesn't respond correctly, don't use it at all. |
| 12:52.27 | plasmab2 | yeah i have that set up already... more than one inface |
| 12:52.30 | plasmab2 | infact |
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| 12:52.57 | plasmab2 | if the machine doesnt respond on the network after its initial response for more than 30 seconds its power lines get cut |
| 12:53.34 | abrotman | just mount all your drives sync! |
| 12:53.44 | cast | what kind of computer is it? large atx box? |
| 12:53.51 | plasmab2 | mini itx |
| 12:53.54 | cast | doh :( |
| 12:54.08 | plasmab2 | has to be to fit in the cabinate.. |
| 12:54.27 | plasmab2 | and also its fanless to remove the possibility of those components breaking |
| 12:54.28 | Ast001 | I just loaded that driver with modprobe driver and alsa still can not find sound device |
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| 12:54.35 | berest | hi ppl |
| 12:54.41 | abrotman | plasmab2: you can mark it dirty .. but that's not broken |
| 12:54.54 | berest | who work this bacula? |
| 12:54.56 | plasmab2 | tune2fs? |
| 12:55.06 | xand | berest: huh? |
| 12:55.26 | abrotman | plasmab2: you can also cause a kernel panic when there are FS errors |
| 12:55.26 | berest | can i extract backup with tar/gzip? |
| 12:55.27 | cast | its backup software iirc |
| 12:55.31 | berest | > backup created with bacula |
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| 12:55.42 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's only when running in rw mode |
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| 12:56.49 | cast | berest: have you read the bacula manual yet? tried the mailing lists? |
| 12:57.20 | berest | cast - read, but about tar/gzip nothing say |
| 12:57.42 | plasmab2 | abrotman, i'd much rather try and let the machine boot if it possibly can ... then my code runs md5's on all its critical files and emails me if there is a problem.. thereafter it shuts down |
| 12:58.17 | CalJohn | jelly-home: thankyou |
| 12:58.22 | petemc | what if the problem is with the mta ? |
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| 12:59.03 | plasmab2 | petmc it shuts down, then the other machine detects this and emails me |
| 12:59.04 | jelly-home | woohoo, new xchat has better completion. |
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| 12:59.34 | plasmab2 | but it has to make an initial "i tried to come up" call on the network before i'll get spammed |
| 13:00.45 | Laser | can i make apt-get download a package from a specific location? |
| 13:01.09 | abrotman | define location |
| 13:01.16 | Laser | like for example http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pidgin/ |
| 13:01.28 | abrotman | i don't think so |
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| 13:02.36 | plasmab2 | the setup is as follows.. one machine monitors railway track activity and the other generates lighting sequence information for the bridge.. .if the two are out of contact then then stop the relevant daemons.. if there are trains on the track then strong colours are pastelised... if any odd state is detected the lighting machine is switched off |
| 13:03.01 | jelly-home | Laser: only by putting that mirror to be first in sources.list, I think |
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| 13:03.27 | abrotman | plasmab2: wouldn't it be easier to pay someone to be on the train? :) |
| 13:03.38 | Laser | jelly-home: thank you |
| 13:03.59 | plasmab2 | abrotman, there are drivers on the trains and thats the problem |
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| 13:04.18 | Nuxis | anyone know's a program to record from television I use now kdetv to watch .. but I can't record it with kdetv.. |
| 13:04.30 | plasmab2 | there are also signals on the bridge.. and they arent allowed to have confusing information |
| 13:04.40 | Laser | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ pool main |
| 13:04.41 | Laser | right? |
| 13:04.56 | plasmab2 | they are also jobsworth b&**rds who resisted us putting lights on there in the first place |
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| 13:05.53 | cast | i find it kind of scary you're not using some ultratested foolproof system, the mere yes|fsck was scary enough, but now factor in a railway and a bridge... |
| 13:05.57 | Nuxis | anyone? |
| 13:06.06 | cast | but good luck! ;) |
| 13:06.17 | abrotman | Nuxis: mythtv? freevo ? |
| 13:06.26 | plasmab2 | cast, it is an ultratested system |
| 13:06.36 | cast | Nuxis: if mplayer can play it mencoder can rip it |
| 13:06.41 | plasmab2 | the failsafes are electromechanical |
| 13:06.58 | Nuxis | abrotman: I tried mythtv but there where some probs with mysql I will try freevo |
| 13:07.19 | abrotman | Nuxis: or look at freshmeat.net |
| 13:07.23 | Nuxis | kk ty |
| 13:07.32 | petemc | vdr works |
| 13:07.36 | plasmab2 | and we've tested every situation and its always safe... i just dont wanna have to go to the damn site every time it needs fsck'd |
| 13:07.42 | dErFF | i cant install my nvidia-kernel, it says its not found :( |
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| 13:08.20 | cast | fair enough |
| 13:08.22 | Nuxis | petemc: but then I need modules in my kernel.. |
| 13:08.44 | plasmab2 | cast, and its not actually part of the railway infrastructure... its an artwork on a railway bridge |
| 13:08.50 | petemc | to support the card, sure |
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| 13:09.15 | stoned | i can't startx, it says no default font cursor found |
| 13:09.18 | Nuxis | vdr: please turn off UTF-8 before starting VDR |
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| 13:09.27 | Nuxis | this error I get when I try to start it |
| 13:09.38 | petemc | oh |
| 13:09.49 | petemc | LANG=C vdr |
| 13:09.53 | petemc | perhaps |
| 13:10.03 | covux | i did a dist-upgrade (debian sid) yesterday and now i get on every kde start a popup with "Error: Could not start kstartupconfig". after clicking on OK it proceeds whithout any problems and kde works. can anyone confirm this behaviour? |
| 13:10.17 | Nuxis | vdr: can't access video directory /var/lib/video.00 |
| 13:10.30 | petemc | Nuxis: what kind of card do you have? |
| 13:10.37 | Nuxis | euhrm sec |
| 13:11.03 | Nuxis | Winfast TV 2000 XP deluxe |
| 13:11.04 | Nuxis | from leadtek |
| 13:11.10 | petemc | thats dvb-t ? |
| 13:11.18 | Nuxis | think so.. |
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| 13:12.01 | petemc | well, theres plenty of vdr help available, i will concede it can be tricky to set up - you'll need to do some reading |
| 13:12.24 | Nuxis | damn I have much broken packages |
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| 13:12.53 | petemc | the big advantage to vdr is you can use cam files and steal cable with your dvb-c card.. |
| 13:12.56 | Nuxis | and if I do "apt-get install --fix-broken" I just get nothing installed or something like that |
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| 13:13.32 | jelly-home | petemc: but we wouldn't condone illegal activities, would we? |
| 13:13.42 | petemc | perish the thought |
| 13:13.44 | stoned | hey man |
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| 13:13.52 | stoned | I'm taking my system to work today |
| 13:13.58 | stoned | where I have 500gb disks |
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| 13:14.00 | gvs | Any way to restore a winxp mbr from linux? |
| 13:14.08 | stoned | I'm gonna backup my data and then convert from ext2 to ntfs |
| 13:14.11 | stoned | don't ask me why |
| 13:14.15 | dvs | why? |
| 13:14.20 | cast | !stone stoned |
| 13:14.22 | stoned | I just said not to ask me |
| 13:14.22 | stoned | wtf |
| 13:14.23 | stoned | :) |
| 13:14.40 | jelly-home | stoned: no one did. just some preemptive stoning. |
| 13:14.46 | jelly-home | oh |
| 13:14.49 | stoned | yeh |
| 13:14.50 | stoned | thats riht |
| 13:14.53 | jelly-home | dvs, you naughty boy |
| 13:14.56 | stoned | you're not quick enough with the eyes |
| 13:14.56 | stoned | ;) |
| 13:14.56 | dvs | heh |
| 13:15.18 | jelly-home | stoned: got glasses this thick: -> <- |
| 13:15.19 | stoned | I have to be at work in 50 mins |
| 13:15.24 | stoned | I'm stoning, wakenbake |
| 13:15.33 | stoned | khehe |
| 13:15.34 | dvs | stoned: don't be late. ;-) |
| 13:15.40 | stoned | ok so I'm doing this because |
| 13:15.42 | jelly-home | stoned: working sundaes? |
| 13:15.49 | stoned | I'm sick of linux |
| 13:15.54 | stoned | sick of it |
| 13:16.00 | stoned | gonna go back to windows again |
| 13:16.04 | jelly-home | that's bad weed talking |
| 13:16.07 | Nuxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.07 | stoned | play some oblivions and other games |
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| 13:16.12 | Nuxis | shit :p |
| 13:16.18 | stoned | then in a month or two I'll come back |
| 13:16.25 | stoned | then i'll appreciate linux a lot more |
| 13:16.27 | stoned | oh |
| 13:16.27 | dvs | stoned: why not use both like i do? |
| 13:16.37 | stoned | and here is a bit more blasphemy |
| 13:16.52 | stoned | I don't know if i like kubuntu or not |
| 13:16.54 | stoned | I think I might |
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| 13:17.00 | dvs | !lart stoned |
| 13:17.00 | stoned | mostly as a desktop user |
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| 13:17.05 | jelly-home | stoned: have fun with your hardware working out of the box, the games working and crappy multitasking |
| 13:17.05 | stoned | told you |
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| 13:17.25 | L0cKn | hi all |
| 13:17.30 | stoned | jelly-home: well its still going to have debian |
| 13:17.30 | abrotman | screw that .. let him go :) |
| 13:17.33 | Nuxis | stoned: or use vmware... |
| 13:17.35 | stoned | just don't boot it |
| 13:17.38 | stoned | wont* |
| 13:17.42 | stoned | no dude |
| 13:17.48 | stoned | I just said i need to play Oblivion |
| 13:17.54 | stoned | yes I NEED to play it, I need my fix |
| 13:17.54 | jelly-home | stoned: In fact, I think I'll reboot into XP right now to see how good it is. |
| 13:18.01 | Nuxis | you can run that in wine |
| 13:18.15 | Nuxis | stoned: I play wow, higher fps with wine then windows |
| 13:18.24 | stoned | wow is lame |
| 13:18.26 | stoned | sorry |
| 13:18.30 | Nuxis | wow is adicting :p |
| 13:18.37 | stoned | single player > online children |
| 13:18.43 | Nuxis | all my games run bether under linux then windows |
| 13:19.14 | cast | you use cedega Nuxis? |
| 13:19.22 | Nuxis | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/59865-oblivion.html |
| 13:19.25 | Nuxis | cast, yea |
| 13:19.33 | cast | is the CVS still free? |
| 13:19.43 | Nuxis | and wine some games run bether under wine then cedega |
| 13:19.50 | Nuxis | cast: dunno --> torrent :D |
| 13:19.56 | cast | :| |
| 13:19.58 | petemc | tsk tsk |
| 13:20.06 | stoned | hey |
| 13:20.08 | cast | each time you do that transgaming throws a fit and threatens to kill it |
| 13:20.09 | stoned | man |
| 13:20.16 | stoned | I don't know what to do |
| 13:20.29 | Nuxis | stoned compile the new wine and try it else do some modifies |
| 13:20.33 | stoned | I need to bring my system to work anyway cuz i have to take it apart clean it with comrpessed air and stuff |
| 13:20.38 | stoned | and put new thermal paste on it |
| 13:20.39 | Nuxis | the wine in apt-get is old |
| 13:20.48 | stoned | so I am bringing my system regardless |
| 13:20.49 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 13:21.02 | stoned | I am going to sysprep/ghost an xp image onto the 250gb disk |
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| 13:21.03 | abrotman | if your main goal in using a computer is playing games .. use windows |
| 13:21.09 | dvs | will you use perri-air? ;-) |
| 13:21.19 | Nuxis | abrotman: I do both and my games run bether under linux |
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| 13:21.28 | stoned | then I will backup my 500gb ext2 drive to ntfs (unless ext2 rw works without errors in xp) |
| 13:21.49 | Nuxis | the only thing I need to do is install vista on vmware |
| 13:21.50 | stoned | all those ext2 drivers I've tried, they work for a while, but if windows crashes, a few times, then yoru ext volumes get corrupted |
| 13:22.00 | stoned | cuz you can't do fsck from windows unfortunately |
| 13:22.14 | stoned | then i have to boot with ubuntu live cd and fsck it |
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| 13:22.18 | Nuxis | Damn, I don't know wich wm I need :( |
| 13:22.41 | cast | e16.8.9! |
| 13:22.48 | stoned | no |
| 13:22.55 | stoned | you need ratpoison |
| 13:22.58 | stoned | the mousekiller |
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| 13:23.05 | cast | he needs compositing |
| 13:23.15 | cast | *needs* it is essential. |
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| 13:23.23 | stoned | haha, thats the other extreme of the specturm |
| 13:23.46 | Nuxis | I wan't a keyboard friendly wm but nice graphics now I'm stuck between ion and kde |
| 13:23.48 | stoned | composite beryl etc. VS. ratpoison |
| 13:23.55 | jelly-home | hello world |
| 13:24.04 | stoned | jelly-home: welcome to earth |
| 13:24.08 | stoned | you are now 1 minute old. |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | Nuxis: use gnome and a kb friendly wm |
| 13:24.20 | jelly-home | stoned: houston, we have windows. |
| 13:24.31 | Nuxis | abrotman: can I set it so I can control it all by my keyboard? |
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| 13:24.43 | jelly-home | even though you're in/near nyc afair |
| 13:24.51 | abrotman | Nuxis: i mostly do .. except clicking links in browsers .. though i guess i could tab to them |
| 13:24.54 | stoned | you remember correct |
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| 13:25.24 | Nuxis | abrotman: and where you need to configure the stuff? |
| 13:25.42 | abrotman | WM config |
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| 13:25.59 | Nuxis | abrotman: k ty gonna try it |
| 13:26.17 | cast | general question: can programs in wine/cedega compromise the host system? or are they sandboxed to ~/.wine/fake_Windows/install pretty well |
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| 13:27.33 | Nuxis | abrotman: just a lame question "wm config" is that a config file somewhere or a program..? |
| 13:27.53 | abrotman | depends on the WM you choose |
| 13:27.58 | Nuxis | well say gnome |
| 13:28.03 | jelly-home | cast: I think if they were specifically written to know they're in wine, they could use linux syscalls, and evade your wee windows environment |
| 13:28.11 | Nuxis | to make it keyboard friendly |
| 13:28.19 | hark | by default no, just ~/.wine/fake_drive |
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| 13:28.51 | Nuxis | mhh I should try wmii too |
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| 13:29.12 | cast | i'm just mildly paranoid about closed source things. though i would like to play some operation flashpoint |
| 13:31.41 | jelly-home | cast: I think you're safe enough with a commercial app |
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| 13:34.00 | hark | at the most, you'll just lose ~ ;) |
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| 13:34.14 | duke3d | Hi. I want to know how to be able to use bitchx after I have logged out . any ideas? |
| 13:34.23 | hark | they should have an entry for viruses as well in appdb |
| 13:34.40 | duke3d | there's this program called "screen" but I dont know it works |
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| 13:35.21 | abrotman | duke3d: man screen |
| 13:35.23 | ix | http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 |
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| 13:36.03 | cast | hark: yeah...or ~/.secretporn/ gets emailed to the parents |
| 13:36.24 | Sivik | ok, i created a new user but i want their home folder point to the /var/www, apparently i did this incorrectly the first time because its still not working correctly |
| 13:36.43 | cast | set their home folder in /etc/passwd |
| 13:37.18 | cast | man 5 passwd :) |
| 13:37.25 | hark | after logging out? |
| 13:38.24 | duke3d | [hark] putting it in the background.. but I have figured that out already |
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| 13:38.34 | xand | Sivik: usermod -d /var/www username |
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| 13:39.13 | xand | cast: editing passwd manually is naughty |
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| 13:40.42 | xerophyte | Does anybody use Dual monitors, if so what kind of card do you guys have? i bought 2 card both missing drivers for linux :( could somebody let me know which card is compatible with linux kernel 2.6.x |
| 13:41.03 | cast | got a 7600GT here that does dual monitors fine with the nvidia drivers |
| 13:41.11 | cast | same with my 6600GT |
| 13:41.35 | bjorkimacg3 | xerophyte, google will tell you |
| 13:41.37 | mrsno | xerophyte 6600gt here with dual dvi out, works great with twinview on nvidia drivers |
| 13:41.38 | Sivik | anything ati and linux don't work too well |
| 13:41.42 | bjorkimacg3 | does knoppix run on it? |
| 13:41.45 | cast | [the former with dual dvi, the later with dvi+vga] |
| 13:41.50 | Sivik | nvidia is the way to go with linux |
| 13:41.52 | Sivik | for now |
| 13:42.03 | mrsno | although to be fair any card should work fine (if it has dual outputs) it just depends if its nvidia then you can use twinview, or ati use xinerama |
| 13:42.21 | bjorkimacg3 | or chromium. |
| 13:42.36 | abrotman | xerophyte: many people have used older matrox cards for that(assuming they don't need fast 3d) |
| 13:42.38 | bjorkimacg3 | i've used xinerama to run a dual headed system with xdmx |
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| 13:44.33 | bjorkimacg3 | luckily he is not paying attention :) |
| 13:45.04 | DustyBin | everytime i boot my server it freezes on 'Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20' it takes me about 2-3 boots before it passes it, anyone else have this problem? |
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| 13:46.48 | Nuxis | abrotman: I installled wmii it's is too nice :D |
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| 13:46.56 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:47.19 | anandanbu | How do i add myself the user to sudoer as the debian4.0 doesnt allow me |
| 13:47.43 | Nuxis | anandanbu: visudo |
| 13:47.55 | Nuxis | as root and man visudo if you wanna know how to add you |
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| 13:48.30 | anandanbu | Nuxis: what would that do |
| 13:48.33 | sphear1 | * 3 * * * |
| 13:48.43 | Nuxis | then you open the config file in /etc/sudoers |
| 13:48.48 | sphear1 | this should go one at 3 in the morning right? |
| 13:48.52 | Nuxis | where you can edit who has the right for "sudo" |
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| 13:49.47 | Nuxis | mhh I like wmii :p |
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| 13:50.12 | anandanbu | Nuxis:but to edit that we should need the sudo permissions right |
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| 13:50.21 | pingouin | what is the /srv directory i have in my / ? |
| 13:50.24 | jelly-home | sphear1: no, that would run each minute from 03:00 to 03:59 (including) |
| 13:50.31 | sphear1 | ah |
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| 13:50.34 | sphear1 | :-) |
| 13:50.43 | Nuxis | anandanbu: su --> man visudo (read about it) --> visudo and the config file appears |
| 13:50.49 | dbmoodb | wow the ubuntu irc chat channel has more users now than the gentoo one |
| 13:50.59 | azeem | pingouin: it's probably mention/explained in the fhs |
| 13:51.00 | azeem | !fhs |
| 13:51.01 | dpkg | fhs is probably Unlike Gobolinux or OS X, Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the debian-policy package |
| 13:51.05 | Nuxis | ubuntu is getting a nice distro but nothing for me :D |
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| 13:51.28 | Nuxis | I wan't a clean distro :) |
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| 13:51.47 | dbmoodb | tis not nice, tis slower than debian a lot slower |
| 13:51.48 | sphear1 | jelly-home: ah, so the * is a wild card |
| 13:52.04 | sphear1 | !cro |
| 13:52.08 | sphear1 | !cron |
| 13:52.09 | dpkg | cron is a daemon that allows shell snippets or programs to be run at pre defined intervals as specific users. man 5 crontab; to read how to specify a cronjob to run; crontab -l; to see your crontab; crontab -e; to edit it. /etc/crontab and /etc/cron.d are the system wide crontabs, and the other /etc/cron.*; are directories which have run-parts called on them from /etc/crontab |
| 13:52.16 | dbmoodb | !spelling |
| 13:52.17 | dpkg | hmm... spelling is best dealt with in a qualitative sense. "It's a poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word.", or what Ambrose Bierce said anyway |
| 13:52.18 | abrotman | dbmoodb: it's also offtopic here |
| 13:52.19 | anandanbu | Nuxis:ok |
| 13:52.24 | Nuxis | anandanbu: got it? |
| 13:52.26 | dbmoodb | how is it ? |
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| 13:52.41 | jelly-home | sphear1: yes. man 5 crontab |
| 13:52.44 | sphear1 | jelly-home: 0 3 * * * |
| 13:52.46 | cast | once i used ubuntu and caught herpes! |
| 13:52.56 | Nuxis | cast: rofl :D |
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| 13:53.06 | Nuxis | don't have sex with ubuntu dude that will make you sick |
| 13:53.11 | dbmoodb | cast get real- you only catch noobs |
| 13:53.22 | jelly-home | cast: I used it twice and had protection. We're still friends. |
| 13:53.28 | Nuxis | xD |
| 13:53.28 | nunu | xD |
| 13:53.33 | dbmoodb | i used it once and it didn't get up after |
| 13:53.36 | cast | yeah, asif linux users have enough sex to transmit have stds in the population... |
| 13:53.42 | dbmoodb | ah cast |
| 13:53.50 | cast | s/$badenglish/$goodenglish |
| 13:53.53 | dbmoodb | linux users - that is most of the developed world |
| 13:53.54 | anandanbu | Nuxis: im not able to open the sudoers file |
| 13:54.03 | Nuxis | I installed it upgrade it "Pleas reboot to complete the update" I did su, cd /, rm * |
| 13:54.11 | azeem | anandanbu: use visudo |
| 13:54.12 | abrotman | try #ubuntu |
| 13:54.14 | Nuxis | anandanbu: you are root are you? |
| 13:54.20 | cast | dbmoodb: hah. good call... |
| 13:54.20 | dbmoodb | lol NUXIS don't do that |
| 13:54.21 | Nuxis | azeem: I told him that |
| 13:54.23 | jelly-home | cast: some of my linux admining cow-orkers actually have wives and kids... dunno where they bought 'em |
| 13:54.36 | dbmoodb | ah dude |
| 13:54.40 | Heroe | hi, can u help me?? i have problems with a sata controller : via6421 !!! Debian NetInst don't find it and the disks.. How can i solve the problem?? |
| 13:54.40 | azeem | jelly-home: can you cut it now, please |
| 13:54.41 | Nuxis | dbmoodb: I always wanna try it :D |
| 13:54.43 | dbmoodb | most web users are linux users |
| 13:54.45 | anandanbu | Nuxis: no im logged in as a user only |
| 13:54.50 | dbmoodb | lol |
| 13:54.52 | dbmoodb | don't do it |
| 13:54.53 | Nuxis | anandanbu: you need to be root to run visudo |
| 13:55.01 | dbmoodb | sudo bash |
| 13:55.19 | dbmoodb | nice one |
| 13:55.19 | anandanbu | then am i suppose to login as root in again |
| 13:55.24 | Nuxis | dbmoodb: never do it dude :D you can't stio the remving |
| 13:55.28 | azeem | anandanbu: just run "su - " |
| 13:55.30 | Nuxis | anandanbu: open just a terminal |
| 13:55.38 | dbmoodb | tis he not on ubuntu ? |
| 13:55.42 | Nuxis | and to su - like azeem say |
| 13:55.51 | dbmoodb | oi leave him up |
| 13:55.55 | dbmoodb | i want no rming here |
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| 13:56.10 | Nuxis | I give a coockie to all who do "su, cd /, rm *" |
| 13:56.15 | azeem | dbmoodb: do you have a Debian question? |
| 13:56.15 | abrotman | Nuxis: stop |
| 13:56.20 | anandanbu | Nuxis: may i pm you |
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| 13:56.28 | abrotman | Nuxis: you can get banned from the network for saying crap like that |
| 13:56.38 | azeem | Nuxis: you#ve been silenced for 10 minutes for giving bad advise |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | or that |
| 13:56.42 | abrotman | advice |
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| 13:56.48 | dbmoodb | haahha |
| 13:57.06 | dbmoodb | no i do not have a debian question at the present time- i'm using etch rather happily |
| 13:57.08 | anandanbu | Nuxis: ok i have done that |
| 13:57.16 | dbmoodb | oh s... |
| 13:57.53 | dbmoodb | ANA do not follow what nuxis has said or you will delete your linux installation and all your data, and it is very hard to get it back |
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| 13:58.22 | abrotman | Heroe: do you know which kernel supports it ? |
| 13:58.31 | azeem | Nuxis: now run visudo |
| 13:58.31 | azeem | eh |
| 13:58.31 | azeem | anandanbu: now run visudo |
| 13:58.31 | azeem | dbmoodb: then either support people here in a proper way, or keep the random chit-chat to #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:58.56 | azeem | it wasn't soo bad actually, because / is usually just dirts |
| 13:59.00 | azeem | directories* |
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| 13:59.28 | dbmoodb | yeah guys i'm using ntfs-3g on etch - through backports and i had it complain that the fuse installation / kernel module was doing weird things so i prepared and made the new fuse module for my kernel - the ntfs-3g warning about my fuse version went away but ... has this solved the problem ? |
| 13:59.41 | anandanbu | azeem: thanks for the info |
| 13:59.47 | dbmoodb | given i'm not running the right kernel for it - i'm meant to be running 2.6.20 (i'm on .18) |
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| 14:01.11 | dbmoodb | anyone ? |
| 14:01.18 | Heroe | abrotman : i think 2.6.20 |
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| 14:01.37 | Heroe | in 4.0r1 which kernel is default? |
| 14:01.44 | azeem | Heroe: 2.6.18 |
| 14:01.44 | abrotman | Heroe: /msg dpkg kmuto .. see if there's an unofficial etch netinst with a newer kernel at that site |
| 14:02.01 | dbmoodb | ah you can just make your own |
| 14:02.17 | azeem | it's not trivial |
| 14:02.48 | dbmoodb | ah mmm is there any advantage of moving to 2.6.20 ? |
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| 14:03.33 | cast | if you have to ask then no |
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| 14:03.52 | dbmoodb | ok sure |
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| 14:04.45 | dbmoodb | ooo the wiki is out of date |
| 14:05.02 | dbmoodb | wait nevermind |
| 14:05.41 | cast | one thing i want, which i think came into .19, is the LRW encryption mode - but thats more preference than any real need, i recall it being faster than cbc |
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| 14:06.34 | Swat2 | i have a few tar files that i need to put on my tape drive (/dev/ht0), if i: cat tarfile.tar > /dev/ht0 would it be the same as originally taring like "tar -cpf /dev/ht0 --directory foo" ? |
| 14:06.36 | dbmoodb | oh when will we see the next release - 2.7 ? or will it be 2.8 ? |
| 14:06.46 | petemc | Swat2: did you try it? |
| 14:06.55 | azeem | dbmoodb: how is this relevant here? |
| 14:07.00 | azeem | dbmoodb: ask in a kernel chane |
| 14:07.02 | azeem | chan* |
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| 14:07.22 | dbmoodb | sorry |
| 14:07.24 | Swat2 | petemc: not yet, i wasnt sure if cat would flood the tape drive and it not be able to keep up or something? |
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| 14:07.42 | Nuxis | dd |
| 14:07.46 | cast | out of curiousity, would Swat2 have to use any software for rewinding the tape drive or anything like that? or is there a rewind button [i'm too poor for such things] |
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| 14:08.34 | Swat2 | ? |
| 14:08.49 | Swat2 | random comment #10218 |
| 14:08.58 | \amethyst | cast: ht0 is rewind-on-close, use nht0 if you don't want it to rewind when you are done |
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| 14:09.13 | anandanbu | How do i mount the windows and other ext3 drives in debian4.0 |
| 14:09.20 | cast | ahh, nifty |
| 14:09.58 | Nuxis | azeem: sorry about the "r***" it was only a joke I didn't know other's will take it seriously or something like that I will remeber it " |
| 14:10.34 | Swat2 | petemc: would it work? :/ |
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| 14:10.56 | abrotman | cast: there's also the mt command |
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| 14:11.02 | petemc | Swat2: if i knew i would have answered already, ive noticed you asking repeatedly |
| 14:11.09 | Swat2 | mt -f <device> rewind |
| 14:11.10 | wirefire | what package do i need to install to get linux source code? |
| 14:11.22 | abrotman | Swat2: he's telling you to just try it .. should be simple to test |
| 14:11.24 | azeem | wirefire: usually, you shouldn't need the source code |
| 14:11.26 | Nuxis | wirefire: .. kernel source? |
| 14:11.30 | azeem | wirefire: what's your problem? |
| 14:11.36 | Nuxis | for linux nope.. indeed |
| 14:11.42 | dbmoodb | ana - mount -t ntfs /dev/hd* /media/yournewwindowsdir (you should mkdir it first) |
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| 14:12.09 | azeem | that /dev/hd* won't work |
| 14:12.12 | wirefire | azeem: Nuxis im trying to install truecrypt from source which requires it |
| 14:12.26 | azeem | I see |
| 14:12.27 | Nuxis | azeem look in /etc/fstan |
| 14:12.28 | dbmoodb | oh azeeem you need to know what partition is it on |
| 14:12.36 | Nuxis | *fstab |
| 14:12.38 | azeem | wirefire: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 14:13.05 | dbmoodb | azeem are you just pretending to be silly ? |
| 14:13.13 | azeem | dbmoodb: eh? |
| 14:13.25 | wirefire | azeem: cheers just wasnt sure what the package name was |
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| 14:13.50 | azeem | dbmoodb: it's non-obvious this wouldn't work, use a standard wildcard like "foo" if you mean "the right one" instead of "all" |
| 14:14.07 | dbmoodb | oh well yeah your meant to know it |
| 14:14.08 | cast | wirefire: you know dm-crypt is well supported in etch aye? |
| 14:14.16 | pingouin | azeem: thanks you |
| 14:14.18 | azeem | dbmoodb: I am, but why should new users? |
| 14:14.26 | dbmoodb | this is not the ubuntu channel we should think before we type / copy |
| 14:14.44 | dbmoodb | - should but your right for new users - the * would pose a problem |
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| 14:15.25 | azeem | I wouldn't have said anything if that wouldn't have been a valid, but wrong, command |
| 14:15.30 | abrotman | dbmoodb: if they knew the answer .. they wouldn't ask here |
| 14:15.35 | wirefire | cast: im not familiar with dm-crypt lemmie take a look |
| 14:15.37 | azeem | if you want people to think, give them clearly wrong commands |
| 14:15.41 | dbmoodb | ah abrot |
| 14:16.12 | cast | wirefire: i'd recommend it over truecrypt [mostly because its in linux]...check out LUKS |
| 14:16.14 | dbmoodb | i meant interpret the * as a wildcard as being a placeholder not an actual thing they should pass |
| 14:16.51 | abrotman | and if he had sata ? |
| 14:16.53 | abrotman | or scsi ? |
| 14:16.54 | anandanbu | How to mount my ntfs and ext3 drives in debian4.0 |
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| 14:17.25 | dbmoodb | scsi not likelly - sata -probably |
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| 14:17.39 | dbmoodb | i have sata - :) - sda instead i would assist when the guy failed |
| 14:17.42 | plb | how do I disable scsi emulation for a particular usb device |
| 14:17.45 | Swat2 | hmm |
| 14:17.48 | Swat2 | looks like it worked |
| 14:18.08 | kk | plb, it's not emulation. usb drives use the scsi subsystem to work. |
| 14:18.11 | chris_goe | has anyone noticed that the gitweb packages is held back in unstable? |
| 14:18.28 | wols_ | !held back |
| 14:18.28 | dpkg | i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 14:18.30 | abrotman | !tell chris_goe about held |
| 14:18.32 | abrotman | bah |
| 14:19.00 | plb | kk: either way how do I disable it for a particular drive |
| 14:19.00 | chris_goe | The following packages have unmet dependencies: gitweb: Depends: git-core (> 1:1.5.2.5) but 1:1.5.2.4-1 is to be installed |
| 14:19.15 | chris_goe | abrotman: thanks, but there are no bugs listed in git-core either |
| 14:19.16 | plb | er... usb device not drive |
| 14:19.22 | dbmoodb | /.list |
| 14:19.59 | \amethyst | chris_goe: it sounds like the updated gitweb made it to the mirror before git-core |
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| 14:20.02 | abrotman | chris_goe: and if you explicitly install it ? |
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| 14:20.33 | chris_goe | well, it is already installed |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | chris_goe: try it anyways .. |
| 14:20.43 | \amethyst | chris_goe: what is already installed? |
| 14:20.47 | chris_goe | but "apt-get upgrade" barfs with the error message above |
| 14:20.57 | chris_goe | dist-upgrade, to be exact |
| 14:21.00 | kk | plb, ah, misunderstood your question then. usb drives use the scsi subsystem to access the space. other usb devices (mice, cameras, what have you) are addressed by other systems. i suppose the answer to your question is "depends on the device" |
| 14:21.02 | abrotman | chris_goe: right .. so it's missing a dependency |
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| 14:21.26 | wirefire | does anyone know if it is possible to mount certain image types in linux without first converting to .iso. for instance .bin .cue etc |
| 14:21.34 | chris_goe | gitweb says: "Depends: git-core (>> 1:1.5.2.4), git-core (<< 1:1.5.2.4-.)" |
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| 14:21.56 | wols_ | .cue is no image at all. and no you can't do it |
| 14:21.56 | ribasushi | wirefire: if there is a filesystem driver for such an image - yes |
| 14:22.13 | plb | kk: ok I'm trying to mount my ipod in VirtualBox, however it appears the usb mass storage scsi emulation is causing virtualbox to misreport the ipod as a generic mass storage device |
| 14:22.14 | wirefire | ribasushi: do you know of any? |
| 14:22.17 | chris_goe | and git-core is at 1:1.5.2.4-1 |
| 14:22.17 | ribasushi | wirefire: the kernel does not care if the bits are in a file or on a device |
| 14:22.18 | wols_ | ribasushi: unfortunately there aren't :) |
| 14:22.20 | trying | fdisk -l not show anything in debian installer (but the disk is working) why? |
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| 14:22.39 | ribasushi | wirefire: but just as wols_ is saying - there aren't any, because... well there is no need for such |
| 14:22.56 | ribasushi | wirefire: conversion to iso is too simple to warrant a full blown in kernel fs driver |
| 14:23.25 | wirefire | ribasushi: thats fine so your saying i can convert any file image to iso???? |
| 14:23.28 | kk | plb, well, ipods ARE generic mass storage devices. a dirty way of doing it would be to rmmod usb_storage, but then no usb drive will work til you modprove it again |
| 14:23.35 | chris_goe | seems like gitweb's "Depend:" is b0rked... |
| 14:23.36 | ribasushi | wirefire: of course |
| 14:23.44 | chris_goe | (git-core (>> 1:1.5.2.4), git-core (<< 1:1.5.2.4-.)) |
| 14:23.48 | \amethyst | chris_goe: you're using unstable, right? |
| 14:23.50 | chris_goe | yes :) |
| 14:23.55 | ribasushi | wirefire: if it can be burned on a cd - it is converted to an ISO at some point |
| 14:23.57 | \amethyst | chris_goe: is this really the first time you've encountered an issue like this |
| 14:23.59 | trying | any idea?' |
| 14:24.04 | kk | plb, sorry, modprobe. |
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| 14:24.12 | chris_goe | well, actualy yes |
| 14:24.14 | \amethyst | chris_goe: happens to me all the time, just hold gitweb until the new git-core makes it to the mirrors |
| 14:24.16 | chris_goe | running unstable for years |
| 14:24.27 | trying | any option on the debian installer to detect my hda |
| 14:24.32 | \amethyst | chris_goe: how frequently do you update? |
| 14:24.37 | chris_goe | hm, depends. |
| 14:24.42 | chris_goe | sometimes weekly |
| 14:24.44 | chris_goe | monthly |
| 14:24.47 | Trewas | ribasushi: not all cue/bin cd-images can be converted to .iso, all audio cds and videocds for example |
| 14:25.18 | ribasushi | Trewas: but he is talking about "mounting" which implies a data cd |
| 14:25.42 | chris_goe | but yeah, sometimes packages have temp. broken dependencies, i know. but this particular Depend: line |
| 14:25.46 | chris_goe | never occured to me yet |
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| 14:26.24 | Trewas | ribasushi: not necessarily, daemon tools etc in windows can mount any type of cd-image, so one could assume that linux can do the same (which it can't) |
| 14:27.00 | wirefire | Trewas: i guess i am looking for a daemon tools equivalent which i guess doesn not exist |
| 14:27.02 | \amethyst | chris_goe: if you're really concerned about it, http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 14:27.10 | lunk | just play the .bin with mplayer, it'll be fine |
| 14:27.53 | wirefire | lunk: not all .bin's are audio/video |
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| 14:28.04 | chris_goe | \amethyst: wow, I did not know about this url |
| 14:28.10 | chris_goe | gitweb_1.5.3~rc6-1, whooha :) |
| 14:28.12 | abrotman | !inout |
| 14:28.12 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
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| 14:28.15 | cast | i'm cheering on this quantum fireball 6.4gb but i'm not sure shes happy |
| 14:28.17 | trying | any idea please |
| 14:28.21 | \amethyst | chris_goe: looks like git-core 1.5.2.5-2 has only been compiled for amd64 so far |
| 14:28.49 | Swat2 | heh q-fireballs |
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| 14:29.05 | Swat2 | the amount of those ive replaced in my career |
| 14:29.32 | ribasushi | wirefire: if you are looking for something like this - no it does not exist yet |
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| 14:30.03 | Trewas | wirefire: google finds cdemu which should do that, but the project does not seem active |
| 14:30.03 | ribasushi | wirefire: it should be trivial to write given the availability of the filesystem in userspace api, but I guess no one needed something like that |
| 14:30.14 | chris_goe | and arm, yes |
| 14:30.20 | \amethyst | chris_goe: 1.5.3~rc4 is in experimental right now |
| 14:31.00 | chris_goe | \amethyst: ok, so I see it's being worked on. I was just wondering if this known at all and/or if i should open a bug or sth. |
| 14:31.08 | chris_goe | thanks! |
| 14:31.36 | chris_goe | I'll have a look at incoming.debian.org more often now |
| 14:32.08 | plb | kk: they |
| 14:32.10 | Trewas | ribasushi: it is probably not that easy, cds have many different modes (for different levels of error correction) and it may not be obvious how to present images with many tracks |
| 14:32.11 | plb | oops |
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| 14:32.57 | ribasushi | Trewas: a data only part should be simple... regular 2048 blocks starting at a specific offset (track) |
| 14:33.07 | \amethyst | chris_goe: What happened this time, it appears, is that 1.5.2.5-1 had a packaging bug: the newly-added /etc/bash_completion.d/git wasn't marked as a conffile |
| 14:33.24 | \amethyst | chris_goe: so 1.5.2.5-2 got uploaded shortly after, before most archs even got built |
| 14:33.34 | ribasushi | Trewas: for everything else - the truth is if you need to access weirdly encoded content, you most likely have access to a windows machine too |
| 14:33.44 | ribasushi | best tool for the job you know... :) |
| 14:34.06 | chris_goe | \amethyst: so, it got uploaded...but just for a few archs? |
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| 14:34.12 | chris_goe | hm |
| 14:34.45 | Trewas | ribasushi: sure, I guess the main reason why there is no such functionality in linux that it is mainly useful for warez :) |
| 14:34.59 | \amethyst | chris_goe: the autobuilders haven't finished their job yet |
| 14:35.04 | ribasushi | Trewas: precisely |
| 14:35.20 | ribasushi | Trewas: and Linux warez are distributed in iso format:D |
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| 14:36.20 | chris_goe | \amethyst: ok, understood now. I guess i'll just have to wait... |
| 14:36.43 | chris_goe | but apart from that, -unstable is really stable... |
| 14:36.46 | \amethyst | Trewas: fuseiso claims to be able to mount *single-track* .BINs |
| 14:36.53 | chris_goe | incredible, really |
| 14:38.22 | dErFF | how can i change to a boot i want so i dont have to select it every time? |
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| 14:38.39 | abrotman | it will time out on the default on its own |
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| 14:42.50 | Trewas | \amethyst: yeah it should not be a problem to mount single-track data-cd images, as they could be "losslessly" converted to .iso anyway... other formats have just some extra crud |
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| 14:44.07 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just installed Debian on a USB key but I'm unable to successfully boot the system. The computer is fully capable of booting USB devices. I installed GRUB on /dev/sda1 - should I have used /dev/sda instead ? |
| 14:44.11 | zendo | Hi. Can someone please tell me how can I quickly make deb package out of directory consisting of many direcotiries and files within in, without too much reading? |
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| 14:46.19 | zendo | Is there some graphical tool like in Windows, for making deb packages? |
| 14:46.48 | cast | no. |
| 14:46.55 | petemc | sounds like you want tar |
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| 14:47.25 | zendo | no, I have tar, but don't want to unpack that "blindly" into /usr/local in case I want to remove it later |
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| 14:48.09 | \amethyst | zendo: it doesn't do exactly what you're asking, but you might want to look at checkinstall |
| 14:48.40 | zendo | tried it, but it has some quirks, and I cannot make it do the thing |
| 14:48.50 | \amethyst | zendo: alien on the tgz maybe? |
| 14:49.13 | Swistak | hello can anybody help me? i have problem with adding directory to $PATH, i tried everything, i added it to /etc/profile /etc/login.defs and even ~/.bash_profile and after i open new xterm i still get /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games :/ |
| 14:49.14 | zendo | uh it's really frustrating, Linux is still so much behind Windows, even for stinky package creation I need to read a *whole* book on that subject |
| 14:49.25 | zendo | aha, alien might help |
| 14:49.25 | petemc | .. |
| 14:49.29 | \amethyst | err |
| 14:49.41 | \amethyst | Did I miss something? Does Windows come with tools for building installers? |
| 14:49.51 | zendo | \amethyst: thanks \amethyst |
| 14:49.54 | zendo | \amethyst: no |
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| 14:50.09 | cast | zendo: use stow then @ ' but don't want to unpack that "blindly" into /usr/local' |
| 14:50.16 | zendo | \amethyst: but you can download *free* EASY to use install package creator |
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| 14:50.44 | zendo | \amethyst: installshield and other free tools |
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| 14:51.19 | petemc | zendo: you know, its really not a bad idea to understand something properly, certainly something like building debs |
| 14:51.24 | cast | heh. apt vs windows software management is a joke comparision ;) |
| 14:51.35 | chris_goe | zendo: you still have to alter $PATH (or %PATH%, in windows) |
| 14:51.40 | Ind[y] | Can I get Microworlds Pro on my linux box? |
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| 14:52.08 | Swistak | i feel ignored :) |
| 14:52.36 | asg | Swistak: did you also add it to ~/.bashrc? |
| 14:52.55 | \amethyst | Swistak: because the fiels you mentioned (profile, login.defs, etc) only affect new logins |
| 14:52.58 | zendo | petemc: with all do respect, I'll learn that deep if I need it, or if I have time. If i'm in the middle of the work, and I'm not admin, programmer... but for example some secretary it's a little awkward to pay so much time on that |
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| 14:53.38 | \amethyst | Swistak: you'll have to log out and log back in. Adding your command to .bashrc will execute it for all non-login shells |
| 14:53.47 | petemc | zendo: you shouldnt really expect a secretary to build debs |
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| 14:54.00 | Swistak | thnx |
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| 14:54.07 | Swistak | i'll try adding it to bashrc |
| 14:54.08 | \amethyst | (and, since the default .bash_profile sources .bashrc, login shells as well) |
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| 14:54.28 | \amethyst | Swistak: what is the command you're using? export PATH=$PATH:something_else ? |
| 14:55.03 | Noborusan | where can i get some cool pics related to debian ? |
| 14:55.15 | Swistak | \amethyst, with double quotes |
| 14:55.18 | Noborusan | or pics refer to the future high-tech. |
| 14:55.24 | Swistak | and after i added it to end of bashrc it works |
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| 14:55.38 | zendo | petemc: Yes, that is what I'm talking about. Linux tends to get piece of desktop market, and yet almost every secretary can make simple packages if they need to, with installShield, and on Linux she must learn "rocket science" to build deb |
| 14:55.45 | zendo | never mind, 95% windows desktop users prove that it much more easier/productive under windows |
| 14:55.48 | Swistak | before i was editing bash_profile and it was not working :/ |
| 14:55.50 | \amethyst | Swistak: you will get duplicate path entries if you start a sub-shell or something, but it shouldn't hurt too much |
| 14:56.02 | Enselic | In /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian it says " This setup script requires authorization by default. You can manage usernames and passwords with htpasswd command on /etc/phpmyadmin/htpasswd.setup file.", and I have done $ htpasswd /etc/phpmyadmin/htpasswd.setup martin and set the password. w3m localhost/phpmyadmin will allow me to login, but it won't accept the password I set, did I miss something? |
| 14:56.05 | zendo | Thanks for your help, I'll try alien or stow. Best regards. |
| 14:56.26 | petemc | zendo: i completely disagree with you, and find your insistance that you should able to do this without doing any reading ridiculous, but im sure you dont care.. |
| 14:56.29 | Enselic | allow me to login = show the login prompt |
| 14:56.35 | petemc | gah |
| 14:56.49 | asg | petemc: I'm sure it's for the best |
| 14:56.50 | cast | i don't personally much mind if the community misses out on users like that |
| 14:57.03 | petemc | asg: yeah |
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| 14:57.28 | asg | petemc: you should have asked if the tools he was on about do a good job of inplace upgrades. |
| 14:57.46 | petemc | there are lots of way his argument could be demolished |
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| 14:58.02 | petemc | but, as you say, for the best :) |
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| 15:00.58 | cast | well theres an error i've never seen before, rebooted 'Bad PBR sig' |
| 15:01.59 | \amethyst | cast: Solaris? |
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| 15:02.42 | cast | this disk was part of a ZFS mirror but not any more...should have knoppmyth installed on it now |
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| 15:04.06 | chris_goe | cast: http://asupergeek.blogspot.com/2007/06/bad-pbr-sig.html |
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| 15:06.01 | cast | hmmm. interesting. will try to reinstall grub manually |
| 15:06.23 | reiser2 | Hi, is there something like pastebin.ca to upload images ? |
| 15:06.31 | cast | /msg dpkg paste |
| 15:06.40 | reiser2 | no, URL |
| 15:06.48 | chris_goe | cast: there are various other hints within .sun.com, which may be more helpful though... |
| 15:07.29 | reiser2 | thanks |
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| 15:08.09 | o00o00o | what is the file name of the file that i need if i just want to install debian ( not the 21 cd ) ? |
| 15:08.34 | cast | netinst, or the first cdrom will do |
| 15:09.15 | o00o00o | cast , so what is better net install or the first cd ? |
| 15:09.25 | cast | i think netinst is as its smallest |
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| 15:11.45 | jerbear | i realize this is not an ubuntu room, but it would be a good place to ask about apt usage, yes? |
| 15:11.57 | petemc | not if you're using ubuntu |
| 15:12.00 | cast | if you're using #ubuntu ask in #ubuntu |
| 15:13.44 | jerbear | the level of questions in #ubuntu seem to hover around the level of "why doesn't ubuntu support windows games?" and "how do i open my word document?" |
| 15:14.10 | jerbear | it's a pretty basic question, can you just assume we're talking about debian? ;) |
| 15:14.43 | shogunx | can we assume you read the manpage? |
| 15:14.47 | lunk | what would like to know jerbear ? |
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| 15:16.05 | jerbear | how can i get the options that was passed to a configure script for a package? i want to build vim from source, but i want to use the same build options... with a different prefix, of course |
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| 15:16.39 | petemc | jerbear: apt-get source vim && vim debian/rules |
| 15:16.50 | cast | petemc: irony! |
| 15:16.55 | Ind[y] | Is there a Logo programming/education tool for GNOME (similar to KTurtle)? |
| 15:16.56 | petemc | :) |
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| 15:18.29 | lunk | jerbear: it's sometimes best to not quantify what distro your using ;) |
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| 15:18.40 | lunk | thanks petemc |
| 15:18.57 | jerbear | lunk: does that put everyone on edge right out of the gate? :) |
| 15:19.19 | cast | when you pick a distro you pick a community too |
| 15:19.22 | lunk | ubuntu=n00blandCentr4l!!!!!111 |
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| 15:19.57 | lunk | which is great for the noobs granted :) |
| 15:20.09 | jerbear | i personally agree with the philosophy behind debian... i just find that ubuntu is extremely simple to install |
| 15:20.34 | lunk | debian too, i downloaded a 48k file and installed it |
| 15:20.36 | lunk | :P |
| 15:21.39 | jerbear | lunk: how so? the server installs for ubuntu are pretty damn simple |
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| 15:22.26 | lunk | jerbear: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 15:22.56 | sparr | my tablet as an ambient light sensor. how might i get access to that? |
| 15:23.02 | jerbear | lunk: you have to admit... the desktop installs for ubuntu are pretty simple |
| 15:23.12 | petemc | jerbear: debian is simple to install too |
| 15:23.25 | lunk | wouldn't know, i only use it from a cd to install other distros in the background and browse the web at the same time |
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| 15:24.15 | jerbear | haha |
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| 15:24.55 | jerbear | ubuntu == debian for dummies, i guess :) |
| 15:25.45 | sparr | ubuntu == debian for people who dont have a week to configure things |
| 15:25.55 | jerbear | it looks like there are quite a few options to the configure script in debian/rules... any way to easily pull those out? |
| 15:25.55 | sparr | i wish i could get debian's release cycle with ubuntu's configuration, but i have to choose :( |
| 15:26.12 | lunk | sparr: coming from gentoo, i'll take that week any....day of the week! |
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| 15:26.28 | petemc | sparr: isnt that what lts is for? |
| 15:26.39 | sparr | petemc: i mean unstable/testing |
| 15:26.51 | jerbear | doesn't ubuntu have a shorter release cycle? |
| 15:26.53 | abrotman | sparr: doesn't take a week if you know what you're doing :) |
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| 15:26.59 | jerbear | every 6 months? |
| 15:27.11 | sparr | abrotman: does if you dont know what you want to do. |
| 15:27.37 | abrotman | then you shouldn't be wasting time to configure things that you don't know what you want them to do .. problem solved |
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| 15:27.55 | sparr | the first time i plug in my ipod, i want it to Just Work |
| 15:28.08 | abrotman | oyu know what oyu want it to do |
| 15:28.20 | sparr | with ubuntu, i didnt have to predict my ipod purchase and install amarok and configure the mounting rules ahead of time |
| 15:28.33 | sparr | ditto my digital camera |
| 15:28.50 | abrotman | my camera worked .. i wouldn't buy an ipod |
| 15:29.08 | sparr | well, i say purchase, it was a gift for attending a seminar from HP :) |
| 15:29.12 | sparr | still, any other mp3 player |
| 15:29.20 | Wyzard | sparr: I don't have an iPod, but my laptop's SD card reader (for getting pictures from my camera) mounts automatically |
| 15:29.35 | jerbear | anyone have a suggestion on these configure options? there are quite a few and i'm not really sure what the best way to reuse them is |
| 15:29.52 | petemc | jerbear: what does it not do now that you want it to do? |
| 15:29.54 | sparr | Wyzard: a) thats just a card reader, i prefer to pull them directly from the camera. b) does it automatically offer to let you rip the photos to digikam instead of launching your file manager? |
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| 15:30.30 | Wyzard | sparr: I don't do that anymore, partly because PTP doesn't preserve filenames and partly because I lost the USB cable, but I used to, and that was straightforward too |
| 15:30.48 | jerbear | petemc: mainly support for python omni-completion, but i would like to configure it exactly like my distro's version, only in a different prefix |
| 15:30.51 | Wyzard | sparr: Plug in the camera, launch F-Spot, pick the Import command, and pick the camera from the "where to import from" dropdown |
| 15:31.05 | abrotman | sparr: my camera does mount automatically |
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| 15:31.08 | Wyzard | sparr: Nowadays I put in the SD card and pick that in the "where to import from" dropdown |
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| 15:31.23 | abrotman | sparr: and the first time i connected it .. it asked me to import them to some app |
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| 15:31.39 | rocketmagnet | hi, what's the easiest tool for changing partition sizes ?? |
| 15:32.07 | Wyzard | sparr: You're right that Ubuntu is more desktop-oriented and has some things set up more conveniently out-of-the-box, but Debian isn't all that different |
| 15:32.08 | jerbear | rocketmagnet: my vote is for gparted |
| 15:32.21 | rocketmagnet | ty |
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| 15:33.35 | sparr | Wyzard: sure, but all that time adds up. every 5 minutes that ubuntu saves me matters. unfortunately its ALMOST balanced out by time i have to spend fetching packages from other places because of their release system :( |
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| 15:34.05 | rocketmagnet | jerbear: gparted don't let me change the sizes, do i need to unmount to make this happen ? |
| 15:34.21 | jerbear | rocketmagnet: affirmative |
| 15:34.23 | cast | rocketmagnet: uhuh...yeah. unless you're using lvm and growing |
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| 15:34.46 | jerbear | how do i reuse the debian/rules file? |
| 15:34.51 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just installed Debian on a USB key but I'm unable to successfully boot the system. The computer is fully capable of booting USB devices. I installed GRUB on /dev/sda1 - should I have used /dev/sda instead ? |
| 15:35.10 | rocketmagnet | my problem is that i need to change the size of the / partition |
| 15:35.35 | jerbear | rocketmagnet: you may want to boot from a livecd or even the gparted live cd |
| 15:35.48 | rocketmagnet | ah ok |
| 15:35.57 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.05 | cast | hmm, do partitions have their own 'MBR' sans partition table? how can one install a bootloader to sda1? |
| 15:36.20 | rocketmagnet | dd ? |
| 15:36.20 | rocketmagnet | =) |
| 15:36.41 | wols_ | cast: if the MBR doesn't load the first sector of the partition (like sda1)it won' work |
| 15:36.42 | Wyzard | cast: They have what's called a "boot sector", the first sector of the partition |
| 15:36.43 | mick_laptop | hey everyone, what was the old pastebin pipe? i no longer have it in my .bash_history -- it was nice since it was just a line to cat and upload via curl -- /msg dpkg pastebin pipe is now a link to a perl script |
| 15:36.56 | Jemt | cast: Don't think so. That's why I'm trying to install it to /dev/sda now |
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| 15:37.45 | hhtc110 | hola! |
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| 15:37.49 | Twinstars | Bonjour a tous |
| 15:37.52 | hhtc110 | desconocia este canal |
| 15:37.56 | hhtc110 | español no? |
| 15:38.02 | mick_laptop | !es |
| 15:38.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:38.09 | Wyzard | cast: The Microsoft MBR code (what you probably had before you installed GRUB) looks at the partition to find which partition has the bootable flag, loads the boot sector from that partition, and runs it -- that's how Windows boots |
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| 15:38.33 | cast | so if you don't install a bootloader to the first sector of the partition, is it just left blank and filesystems actually start at some offset from the start of the partition? |
| 15:38.43 | cast | s/first/boot |
| 15:38.48 | Wyzard | cast: In Linux we typically put GRUB or LILO in the MBR and that loads the kernel directly without ever using a partition boot sector, but it's also possible to put GRUB/LILO in a partition boot sector and have the MBR load it like Windows does |
| 15:38.56 | Jemt | cast: Dunno |
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| 15:39.03 | Jemt | cast: Gotta reboot. BRB :) |
| 15:39.15 | mick_laptop | i'm having trouble getting my splashimage to work -- i did: `convert -geometry 640x480 -colors 14 image.jpg image.xpm` then i did: `gzip image.xpm` then: `mv image.xpm.gz /boot/grub/` then i edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to include "splashimage (hd0,0)/boot/grub/image.xpm.gz" -- when i boot the first part says that it isn't found :-/ how can i troubleshoot this? my guess is that /boot is not in... |
| 15:39.17 | mick_laptop | ...hd0,0 -- but how can i find that out? |
| 15:39.27 | Wyzard | cast: (btw, that's why you actually shouldn't set the bootable flag in fdisk for a Linux partition, unless you're actually putting a bootloader in its boot sector rather than the MBR) |
| 15:39.27 | jerbear | how do i reuse the debian/rules file? |
| 15:40.00 | Wyzard | cast: And yes, filesystems leave some blank space at the beginning for things like bootloaders |
| 15:40.19 | abrotman | jerbear: aren't you using ubuntu ? |
| 15:40.40 | jerbear | abrotman: yes |
| 15:40.44 | unlink | i changed the uid of my user in /etc/passwd by accident to be the same as sshd's (100). i can still log in, but the only way i can log in as root is with sudo. is there a way to authenticate with sudo if my user name is ostensibly sshd? |
| 15:40.47 | abrotman | so ask #ubuntu |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | stop asking us offtopic questions |
| 15:41.17 | jerbear | abrotman: right... have you ever asked them anything beyond 'how can i adjust my volume'? |
| 15:41.26 | abrotman | jerbear: don't be an ass .. go to #ubuntu |
| 15:41.50 | jerbear | abrotman: the file is called 'debian/rules'... it should be the same for debian and ubuntu, right? |
| 15:41.54 | abrotman | jerbear: don't be an ass .. go to #ubuntu |
| 15:42.07 | mick_laptop | abrotman: you have been here a long time - do you remember the old pastebin pipe ? |
| 15:42.16 | abrotman | you mean pastewithoutx ? |
| 15:42.27 | jerbear | i'm not being an ass.. i'm sorry you feel that way |
| 15:42.28 | mick_laptop | hmm, me tries that |
| 15:42.43 | abrotman | jerbear: if you were sorry .. you'd go to #ubuntu :) |
| 15:43.42 | mick_laptop | abrotman: no, it was a line using cat / curl -L .... and something else to pastebin |
| 15:43.49 | jerbear | abrotman: i'm sorry for my questions... i'm sorry that they have disrupted your day :) |
| 15:43.50 | hhtc110 | hi there, here my problem: etch installer doesn't recognize my ata hd 40 gigs but other distros do i mena, fdisk -l doesnt show up anything, |
| 15:44.02 | gravity | jerbear: Your question isn't very clear anyway |
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| 15:44.17 | hhtc110 | any idea? (no cd rom avaiable in my laptop) just floopy + net install |
| 15:44.29 | gravity | jerbear: What is it you're actually trying to do? |
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| 15:45.26 | abrotman | !tell mick_laptop about pastebin pipe |
| 15:45.31 | thl | anybody else who have problems with suspend to ram in Sid at the moment? |
| 15:45.47 | mick_laptop | abrotman: i know about that - it is now a perl script |
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| 15:45.50 | jerbear | gravity: i want to reuse the configure options from debian/rules to build a newer version of vim. i want it to be configured like my distro's version, but in a different prefix |
| 15:45.57 | mick_laptop | abrotman: i'm looking for the old one |
| 15:45.57 | abrotman | mick_laptop: erm .. okay |
| 15:46.20 | streuner | jerbear: we told you already what you should do. |
| 15:46.23 | gravity | jerbear: Get the source for vim, copy the debian directory over to where you want to build, edit debian/rules and debian/changelog. build away |
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| 15:46.33 | abrotman | !tell mick_laptop about autopaste |
| 15:46.34 | mick_laptop | abrotman: the one that was just purely in bash (it used to be in /msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 15:46.46 | cast | but apt can't handle two versions of the same pkg can it? |
| 15:46.49 | mick_laptop | ah yes - cool |
| 15:46.50 | abrotman | mick_laptop: like that ? |
| 15:46.53 | mick_laptop | thanks abrotman :) |
| 15:46.54 | cast | [being installed at once] |
| 15:47.02 | hhtc110 | here my laptop specs --> http://linux.mikeasoft.com/clevo410e.php |
| 15:47.26 | jerbear | gravity: how do i use the rules file? i'm assuming configure will not just automatically pick it up |
| 15:47.29 | streuner | hhtc110: did you /msg dpkg laptops already? |
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| 15:47.44 | gravity | jerbear: Look at how to build a debian package. |
| 15:48.03 | hark | jerbear: what's missing with the vim in debian? |
| 15:48.04 | gravity | jerbear: You'll have to do some reading |
| 15:48.17 | jerbear | gravity: where is the docs for that? |
| 15:48.17 | streuner | hark: he's using ubuntu |
| 15:48.22 | hhtc110 | yes, i also have tried other irc channels, but no way |
| 15:48.27 | gravity | jerbear: new maintainer's guide is a good start. google is your friend. |
| 15:48.52 | jerbear | gravity: thanks |
| 15:48.53 | streuner | !tell hhtc110 about laptops |
| 15:49.06 | Wyzard | jerbear: http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 15:49.16 | Wyzard | jerbear: The New Maintainers' Guide is linked from there |
| 15:50.38 | Jemt | Greetz. I finally go GRUB to show up when booting my USB key unto which I've installed Debian. But when trying to boot the kernel, GRUB gives me this error: http://pastebin.ca/671337 . The USB Key has been set to the first bootable device in my BIOS, and the partition type of the root file system is EXT3. Any suggestions on how to solve this problem ? |
| 15:50.48 | streuner | hhtc110: which part didnt work for you? |
| 15:51.04 | hhtc110 | well, let me explain |
| 15:51.11 | hhtc110 | hd isnt recognized by etch install |
| 15:51.14 | wols_ | streuner: apparently the IDE controller driver part. which is kinda strange since SIS chipsets are dead easy |
| 15:51.26 | hhtc110 | but another distro like bootE, let me fdisk the hda |
| 15:51.35 | hhtc110 | so, its kind a strange think |
| 15:51.38 | streuner | yeah, SiS gave me never many problems too... |
| 15:51.45 | abrotman | hhtc110: /msg dpkg kmuto ... try the etch netinst with a newer kernel |
| 15:52.10 | abrotman | oh wait .. that's an old laptop |
| 15:52.10 | hhtc110 | just a thing before |
| 15:52.29 | wols_ | Jemt: why is it type 0x82? |
| 15:52.35 | hhtc110 | etch says hda: invalid geometry: 86 physical heads ? |
| 15:52.44 | wols_ | Jemt: that denotes swap partitions |
| 15:53.07 | hhtc110 | no enough smart to know about heads, sorry ;) |
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| 15:53.12 | wols_ | hhtc110: can't you make it use LBA? |
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| 15:53.43 | hhtc110 | i guess |
| 15:53.44 | ix | Jemt: There might be a disagreement between grub and the kernel/udev about the numbering of your hard drives, try manipulating the value before comma with other IDs, i.e. (hd0,0) |
| 15:54.34 | ix | and to expand on what wols_ asks, are you sure your root drive is the first partition on that disc, if it's the correct one? |
| 15:54.46 | Wyzard | In my experience, (hd0) is always whichever drive the BIOS was configured to boot from |
| 15:55.06 | ix | I seldom boot from anything else, either. |
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| 15:55.34 | Klaps | hello |
| 15:55.38 | Klaps | anyone here? |
| 15:55.45 | Wyzard | Lots of people are here |
| 15:56.04 | wols_ | truly a sunday |
| 15:56.05 | Klaps | i try to install NX Server on my debian 4 |
| 15:56.19 | wols_ | Klaps: ask nomachine then |
| 15:56.32 | abrotman | #nx right ? |
| 15:56.41 | ix | there is a nx-channel? |
| 15:57.05 | Klaps | thanks |
| 15:57.08 | hhtc110 | how i can use lba? |
| 15:57.08 | abrotman | #nx has 29 people |
| 15:57.13 | ix | neat. |
| 15:57.14 | Klaps | yea but no so much people |
| 15:57.45 | wols_ | Klaps: until you can point ot a debian repo for the software you try to install you're still OT |
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| 15:58.55 | Klaps | how can i start NX server? |
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| 15:59.01 | Jemt | wols_: Don't know :-S |
| 15:59.03 | streuner | !lba |
| 15:59.03 | dpkg | methinks lba is Logical Block Addressing. or good bios informations at http://usuarios.intercom.es/ag0ny/msxdev.html |
| 15:59.09 | Jemt | ix: Ah, okay - thanks :) |
| 15:59.18 | streuner | hhtc110: its a bootloader thingie... |
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| 15:59.53 | wols_ | Jemt: maybe then you should be more carefule about how you partition things |
| 15:59.58 | wols_ | and more attentive |
| 16:00.00 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# grep -i lba /etc/lilo.conf |
| 16:00.00 | Jemt | ix: Yes, there is only one partition on the USB drive (/). But I think it's trying to use the SWAP space on the HDD |
| 16:00.02 | Klaps | maybe someone can help |
| 16:00.05 | en1gma | sup all...i have a spare computer that i just added four nics to it besides its onboard nic...so total it has 5...anyhow it dont have any hard drives...only a floppy, cdrom and 256mem...i want to use it as a gateway/router...anyone have any good suggestions for this? |
| 16:00.07 | Klaps | ./nxserver --start |
| 16:00.07 | Klaps | NX> 122 Service started. |
| 16:00.07 | Klaps | NX> 153 Cannot start NX server monitor: |
| 16:00.07 | Klaps | NX> 500 Multi-node support is not permitted on this server. |
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| 16:00.08 | \amethyst | Klaps: probably everyone in #nx knows, and probably no one here |
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| 16:00.13 | streuner | # Support LBA for large hard disks. |
| 16:00.13 | streuner | lba32 |
| 16:00.13 | Jemt | wols_: Huh ? |
| 16:00.28 | \amethyst | Klaps: #debian isn't usually a good place to get help on proprietary software |
| 16:00.36 | abrotman | Klaps: don't do that again please |
| 16:00.46 | Wyzard | en1gma: You can bridge the 4 NICs together and use them instead of a switch for connecting your other PCs |
| 16:00.47 | Jemt | wols_: I know exactly how it's partitioned :) |
| 16:01.00 | Jemt | wols_: Just don't know why it thinks it's 0x82 |
| 16:01.13 | Wyzard | en1gma: but it'll be tricky to set up a Debian router without a hard drive |
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| 16:01.28 | Jemt | ix: How do I boot the kernel using the simple command line interface in GRUB ? |
| 16:01.32 | Wyzard | en1gma: I believe there are other distros that are meant for running lightweight diskless routers, though |
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| 16:01.46 | Wyzard | Jemt: kernel /path/to/kernel |
| 16:01.57 | Wyzard | Jemt: initrd /path/to/initrd |
| 16:01.59 | Wyzard | Jemt: boot |
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| 16:02.15 | Jemt | Wyzard: Oh, very nice. Thanks. But how do I select a HDD in the first place ? |
| 16:02.19 | wols_ | en1gma: don't use debian but one of the many floppy routers. coyote, fli4l, LRP, etc |
| 16:02.20 | Wyzard | Jemt: Kernel options go on the "kernel" line after the filename |
| 16:02.31 | Jemt | Wyzard: Okay :) |
| 16:02.31 | capiira | hi all anyone know something about why my opengl apps are restarting the xserver? |
| 16:02.37 | Wyzard | Jemt: oh, "root (hd0,0)" or whatever to tell it what filesystem to look on for the files |
| 16:02.50 | Jemt | Wyzard: Great. Thanks :) |
| 16:02.58 | \amethyst | capiira: anything in /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or .log.old)? |
| 16:03.08 | capiira | let me see |
| 16:03.19 | Jemt | BRB |
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| 16:05.25 | bjorkimacg3 | sure all those DVDs, but do they include flash for ppc?! |
| 16:05.28 | bjorkimacg3 | that's what i thought. |
| 16:06.06 | Wyzard | Of course... no such thing exists |
| 16:06.12 | bjorkimacg3 | *sigh* |
| 16:06.18 | \amethyst | bjorkimacg3: there's swfdec :) |
| 16:06.25 | bjorkimacg3 | where? |
| 16:07.52 | \amethyst | bjorkimacg3: package swf-player, or in unstable swfdec-mozilla (more recent) |
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| 16:08.21 | \amethyst | bjorkimacg3: it is by no means a complete reimplementation of flash yet |
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| 16:08.49 | bjorkimacg3 | what's taking so long? |
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| 16:09.01 | bjorkimacg3 | what the hell are the damned crackers wasting time on these days? some stupid games i bet! |
| 16:09.02 | bjorkimacg3 | *sigh* |
| 16:09.20 | bjorkimacg3 | when the internet was young and texty and contained far less pr0n, geeks were focused. |
| 16:09.25 | capiira | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:09.32 | bjorkimacg3 | these days? FORGET IT!~ |
| 16:09.43 | capiira | let me paste bin |
| 16:09.44 | bjorkimacg3 | we can blame linus for this. :| |
| 16:09.49 | Wyzard | bjorkimacg3: Crackers just break copy protection... you can't "crack" a program into running on a completely different type of processor than it's written for |
| 16:10.06 | bjorkimacg3 | sure you can, Wyzard. it's called reverse engineering. |
| 16:10.09 | \amethyst | bjorkimacg3: swfdec isn't a crack, it's a reimplementation |
| 16:10.14 | snowbird | u can crack mac put it on non mac box |
| 16:10.23 | Klaps | NX> 110 NX Server monitor is stopped. |
| 16:10.27 | bjorkimacg3 | snowbird, BLASPHEMY! |
| 16:10.32 | Klaps | whats wrong |
| 16:10.39 | \amethyst | snowbird: but you can't crack Mac OS and put it on a DEC Alpha |
| 16:10.45 | bjorkimacg3 | Klaps, turn it back on. check logs. |
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| 16:10.52 | Wyzard | bjorkimacg3: Reverse-engineering is figuring out how a program works so you can make your own version of it |
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| 16:10.59 | capiira | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.09 | Wyzard | bjorkimacg3: It's not a way to get an existing program (like Adobe Flash) to run on a new system |
| 16:11.20 | bjorkimacg3 | Wyzard, that's right. my point remains. nerds have been distracted by all the pr0n available for wanking off to. |
| 16:11.24 | Klaps | how can i start it bjorkimacg3 |
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| 16:11.34 | bjorkimacg3 | Klaps, how did you start it to begin with? |
| 16:11.35 | \amethyst | capiira: that was Xorg.0.log and you have X running right now? |
| 16:11.45 | capiira | yeah |
| 16:11.55 | Klaps | NX> 500 Multi-node support is not permitted on this server. |
| 16:11.56 | \amethyst | capiira: try Xorg.0.log.old---that's the last instance of X (the one that crashed) |
| 16:12.09 | abrotman | Klaps: try #nx |
| 16:12.46 | capiira | http://pastebin.com/m1c95bf4a here \amethyst |
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| 16:13.32 | \amethyst | capiira: what version of the nvidia driver do you have? |
| 16:13.52 | \amethyst | capiira: nvidia-glx that is |
| 16:14.35 | capiira | from the 100.14 |
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| 16:15.05 | \amethyst | capiira: that's not the whole version number |
| 16:15.20 | \amethyst | capiira: dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
| 16:15.50 | capiira | im running testing |
| 16:15.59 | capiira | there is no nvidia-glx package |
| 16:16.09 | capiira | else i run 2.6.18 |
| 16:16.26 | capiira | i used the one from the website 100.14.11 |
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| 16:16.39 | capiira | and installed via the nv installer |
| 16:16.54 | \amethyst | capiira: you migth have better luck trying the debian package from unstable |
| 16:17.20 | capiira | let me see |
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| 16:18.18 | \amethyst | capiira: you'll need to compile your driver (install nvidia-kernel-source and module-assistant and do m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
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| 16:18.27 | \amethyst | capiira: you kernel driver, that is |
| 16:18.40 | capiira | ahh ok will try |
| 16:18.48 | \amethyst | again, the nvidia-kernel-source from unstable |
| 16:19.10 | capiira | yep will do it thanks |
| 16:19.26 | capiira | looks like intalling madwifi |
| 16:21.18 | capiira | going to finish that mario level first :D |
| 16:22.22 | \amethyst | capiira: also, what version of udev do you have |
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| 16:22.35 | capiira | let me see |
| 16:22.52 | capiira | 0.114-2 |
| 16:23.02 | \amethyst | capiira: okay, that's new enough to not have http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435250 |
| 16:23.16 | capiira | hmmm ahh ok :) |
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| 16:24.32 | Klaps | no helps me :( |
| 16:24.39 | capiira | dl via apt-get install or via apt-get source ? |
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| 16:26.49 | abrotman | Klaps: so ask in #nx |
| 16:28.12 | riot | how can i output a list of installed packages, so i can duplicate an installation easily? |
| 16:28.55 | abrotman | !tell riot about debian clone |
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| 16:29.23 | riot | abrotman: Thanks! |
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| 16:30.03 | spx2 | abrotman: i was thinking of something like aptitude search * | grep ^i |
| 16:30.19 | spx2 | abrotman: but it seems it only gets me the programs i installed after i installed |
| 16:30.23 | spx2 | abrotman: debian ... |
| 16:30.27 | riot | hmhmm.. gotta weed out that list of unwanted crap.. :) |
| 16:30.36 | abrotman | !tell spx2 about aptitude clone |
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| 16:30.49 | Klaps | no one have a clue about nxserver here? |
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| 16:31.42 | spx2 | abrotman: very nice indeed :) |
| 16:32.06 | Klaps | kills me -.- |
| 16:32.20 | abrotman | did you ask #nx ? |
| 16:32.28 | Klaps | yeano one answer |
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| 16:32.49 | Klaps | help... |
| 16:33.20 | Klaps | if anyone know nxserver and know how to install pls qry me for help |
| 16:33.43 | riot | abrotman: if i remove all the libraries from the selection, it should work anyway, weeding out unecessary libs on the way, right? |
| 16:33.58 | abrotman | riot: or oyu oculd use deborphan now |
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| 16:34.32 | Klaps | if anyone know nxserver and know how to install pls qry me for help |
| 16:35.24 | riot | abrotman: yep! Haven't done that in a while. |
| 16:35.43 | Klaps | :( |
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| 16:36.27 | Curys | Hello all! |
| 16:36.47 | petemc | Klaps: i used the nomachine debs, but they're not free |
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| 16:39.28 | Klaps | and can you help me with vnc? |
| 16:39.33 | gpm | hey guys. i'm trying to convert an ubuntu box to sid without burning a CD. i downloaded the nightly d-i netboot images (linux and initrd.gz) and added an entry to grub and i passed "expert" as a kernel option, but d-i isn't asking me which release to install or even if i want static ip (options i know it asks in expert mode). is there some special way of telling this d-i media to use expert mode? |
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| 16:40.09 | fas3r | i have a problem when i make ldd /usr/local/openssl/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7, it don't found libcrypto.so.0.9.7, but i know where it is ... |
| 16:40.16 | abrotman | gpm: use debootstrap |
| 16:40.19 | Klaps | if anyone know VNCServer and know how to install pls qry me for help |
| 16:40.27 | fas3r | where i need to make the symbolic link .. ? in /usr/lib ?? |
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| 16:40.36 | riot | what places apart from /etc, /home should i backup? Anything really import in /var (i have no dns-stuff in there e.g.)? |
| 16:40.47 | \amethyst | fas3r: why is it in /usr/local/openssl/lib anyway? |
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| 16:41.11 | fas3r | \amethyst: because i have compil it manually for radius |
| 16:41.11 | gpm | abrotman: even if i want debian to own the whole hd (no more ubuntu)? |
| 16:41.15 | fas3r | with eap-tls |
| 16:41.16 | \amethyst | fas3r: you could add that directory to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 16:41.18 | capiira | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.22 | abrotman | gpm: sure |
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| 16:41.26 | fas3r | oki thank :) |
| 16:41.27 | capiira | strange |
| 16:41.30 | \amethyst | fas3r: actually, that might not be a good idea |
| 16:41.35 | Wyzard | libssl0.9.7 is packaged in etch |
| 16:41.38 | capiira | i did nothing related to nvidia stuff |
| 16:41.42 | gpm | abrotman: when would someone want to use netboot stuff or debootstrap? they seem similar |
| 16:41.44 | \amethyst | fas3r: because it might break other programs that depend on the etch version of 0.9.7 |
| 16:41.50 | Klaps | i want to install vnc on my debian root server |
| 16:41.51 | fas3r | yes but i need to generate manually certificat |
| 16:42.07 | Wyzard | fas3r: You don't have to recomple the whole library to use a different certificate |
| 16:42.23 | AmR|EiSa | hi all :) |
| 16:42.23 | plasmab2 | writing to cd causes my machine to lock up... any idea what the problem is? |
| 16:42.26 | Wyzard | fas3r: An SSL certificate is just a data file; it's not hard-coded into the library |
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| 16:42.29 | abrotman | gpm: maybe when you don't want to burn an iso :) |
| 16:42.36 | fas3r | i haven't install openssl debian package with apt-get install |
| 16:42.48 | gpm | abrotman: no, i mean what's different between the two of them? |
| 16:42.54 | Wyzard | fas3r: Install the packaged libssl rather than compiling your own version |
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| 16:43.09 | RAHSPUTIN | hello. is it possible to make an image of my current install and use it as live cd ? |
| 16:43.12 | capiira | but thank you \amethyst :D |
| 16:43.15 | fas3r | Wyzard: maybe but i have read it's necessary .. al how to on radius eap-tls say they need to recompil manually openssl .. :) |
| 16:43.20 | abrotman | RAHSPUTIN: bootcd |
| 16:43.28 | RAHSPUTIN | thanx ;) |
| 16:43.28 | Wyzard | fas3r: Do they say why it's necessary? |
| 16:43.28 | abrotman | gpm: they are .. |
| 16:43.40 | fas3r | yes it's for windows xp client |
| 16:43.58 | fas3r | windows xp don't like last version .. |
| 16:44.00 | RAHSPUTIN | cd #debian-bots |
| 16:44.02 | fas3r | it's say that |
| 16:44.06 | Wyzard | fas3r: I don't mean why EAP-TLS is necessary, I mean why it's necessary to recompile libssl to use EAP-TLS |
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| 16:44.12 | RAHSPUTIN | :D |
| 16:44.14 | \amethyst | fas3r: maybe http://www.linuxinsight.com/building-debian-freeradius-package-with-eap-tls-ttls-peap-support.html |
| 16:44.33 | fas3r | and i had go to freeradius channel but nobody speak since 3 days .. :) |
| 16:44.46 | Kristy | all of a sudden, the telnet connection to port 25 times out! Where do I check to clear this out? |
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| 16:45.21 | fas3r | but .. |
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| 16:47.00 | petemc | Kristy: can you see it listening with netstat ? |
| 16:47.22 | Kristy | petemc: yes |
| 16:47.23 | fas3r | if you prefer yesterday i have install all package and configure it with no problem i have implement sql database,NTRadPing and other local test return great connect .. but when i test to connect with client it's don't link certificat authent ... i just want to restart it proper .. |
| 16:47.34 | gpm | abrotman: it looks like i can't wipe out the current os with debootstrap and make debian own the whole thing...not unless i boot a livecd or something. |
| 16:47.39 | fas3r | without sql support in first |
| 16:47.41 | Klaps | i want to install vnc on my debian root server |
| 16:47.44 | petemc | Kristy: is there a firewall between you and the mailserver? |
| 16:47.57 | petemc | !tell Klaps about grounding |
| 16:48.28 | abrotman | gpm: you can .. it just requires more work .. |
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| 16:48.32 | Kristy | petemc: nope! In fact `iptables -L' shows accept throughout. |
| 16:49.16 | petemc | Kristy: can you connect to localhost:25 on the box? |
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| 16:49.16 | abrotman | gpm: did you use the etch netinst when you used the ISO ? |
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| 16:49.27 | Kristy | petemc: Not at all. |
| 16:49.31 | gpm | abrotman: i never used an iso. |
| 16:49.32 | petemc | Kristy: restart the daemon |
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| 16:50.17 | kemistor | i'm getting 100% memory usage. |
| 16:50.18 | abrotman | gpm: oh .. sorry .. netboot images .. |
| 16:50.21 | Kristy | how? I do not have telnetd in /etc/init.d |
| 16:50.22 | gpm | abrotman: i downloaded linux and initrd.gz from http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/netboot/ |
| 16:50.41 | petemc | Kristy: the smtpd |
| 16:50.41 | gpm | it seems like i should be able to run d-i in expert mode with those |
| 16:50.49 | gpm | i like the installer :P |
| 16:51.08 | abrotman | ah .. so what does it install if you let it go? |
| 16:51.16 | \amethyst | kemistor: can you put the output of free in a pastebin? |
| 16:51.26 | Kristy | neither do I have smptd in /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:51.44 | petemc | Kristy: you dont know which mta you're using? |
| 16:51.45 | \amethyst | kemistor: generally, 100% memory usage is good, as long as a significant portion of that is cache :) |
| 16:51.49 | gpm | lenny i'd assume since it's a nightly, but i haven't let the installer go yet |
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| 16:52.04 | abrotman | well .. why not? |
| 16:52.13 | Kristy | petemc: I am using postfix |
| 16:52.17 | abrotman | just a simple dist-upgrade away! :) |
| 16:52.18 | gpm | but it didn't ask me about static ip before just jumping to dhcp, and i know it asks which you want if you're in expert |
| 16:52.22 | Kristy | postfix on debian etch |
| 16:52.23 | gpm | well yeah |
| 16:52.29 | petemc | Kristy: so restart postfix |
| 16:52.31 | abrotman | gpm: did the dhcp fail ? |
| 16:52.34 | gpm | but i'm trying to get the perfect install experience |
| 16:52.40 | abrotman | gpm: iirc .. they attempt dhcp .. then fail and ask |
| 16:52.42 | Kristy | Ok |
| 16:52.43 | kemistor | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/m2ac91eab |
| 16:52.59 | gpm | abrotman: not in expert mode. or at least, not iIrc :P |
| 16:53.06 | \amethyst | kemistor: so you 'really' have 328MB free, but it's all being used as disk cache |
| 16:53.14 | abrotman | gpm: well .. it is a daily .. might be broken .. |
| 16:53.18 | gpm | yeah |
| 16:53.29 | gpm | well i'm just experimenting, no pressure, just a toy box for fun |
| 16:53.29 | fas3r | \amethyst: but i add the directory of my library in ld.so.conf or other path ? |
| 16:53.31 | \amethyst | kemistor: if something needs more memory, some of the cache will be freed up |
| 16:53.35 | gpm | wondering if yous guys had any info |
| 16:53.37 | abrotman | gpm: you could try the etch ones |
| 16:53.42 | \amethyst | fas3r: the directory the library is in |
| 16:53.47 | Kristy | still can't connect. It's this postfix mta I am trying to setup |
| 16:53.47 | kemistor | \amethyst: okay. got scared for a moment. |
| 16:53.50 | \amethyst | fas3r: then run ldconfig |
| 16:53.56 | gpm | already did |
| 16:54.00 | fas3r | \amethyst: ok thank |
| 16:54.08 | petemc | Kristy: did you tell it to listen on all interfaces? |
| 16:54.33 | Kristy | I guess I did not tell it. How do I do that? |
| 16:54.37 | gpm | is there a howto debootstrap so that debian takes over the whole system? i've never installed with debootstrap before |
| 16:55.06 | petemc | Kristy: you said "all of a sudden.." as if it was working but now its not |
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| 16:55.22 | abrotman | gpm: in the source there might be |
| 16:55.31 | petemc | Kristy: dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 16:55.49 | Kristy | petemc: yes...I was following a howto found at workarround.org. I swear it worked at some point |
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| 16:56.21 | gpm | for the record, i'm giddy about all the various methods one can use to install debian |
| 16:56.26 | abrotman | giddy? |
| 16:56.38 | abrotman | !tell gpm about debtakeover |
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| 16:56.50 | abrotman | gpm: just thought i'd add another for you |
| 16:56.57 | \amethyst | debtakeover is ancient, unfortunately |
| 16:57.06 | abrotman | i know |
| 16:57.12 | abrotman | i don't think ti's even maintained anymore |
| 16:57.38 | gpm | nice |
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| 16:58.12 | abrotman | hehe .. there's a debtakeover ebuild |
| 16:59.05 | sphear1 | um, Is there anyway to synchronise a backup with the live version at a scheduled time? |
| 16:59.06 | \amethyst | ah, debtakeover just tars up the chroot and extracts it in / |
| 16:59.14 | \amethyst | gpm: that should be simple enough to do |
| 16:59.52 | \amethyst | passing -U to tar |
| 16:59.53 | petemc | sphear1: rsync and cron |
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| 17:00.36 | \amethyst | aha, then it removes the files that used to be around that shouldn't anymore |
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| 17:03.56 | Kristy | petemc: just checked out and found I cannot even ping 127.0.0.1 from the system itself! |
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| 17:04.18 | abrotman | is there an error ? |
| 17:04.48 | Kristy | nope! it just times out |
| 17:05.00 | Cripps | I just got a wacom graphire 4, but right now It's only functioning as a mouse device. I'm trying to follow the directions here (http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/debwcmdrv) to get my tablet working correctly, but I'm running into errors when I try to install wacom-tools. The output, my uname -r, and the link for my /usr/src/linux directory are all locate here(http://www.pastebin.ca/671405). I'm runnin |
| 17:05.00 | Cripps | g debian etch for amd64 |
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| 17:05.04 | cast | Kristy: thats security through denial...of everything. |
| 17:05.18 | Kristy | but I can ssh into the machine |
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| 17:05.56 | Klaps | x-terminal-emulator: cannot connect to X server |
| 17:06.01 | graytron | should Debian etch 4.0r1 binary cd 1 be able to create a bootable system of a system with 3ware 9500S-LP raid controller? |
| 17:06.07 | Klaps | if i try to start vnc |
| 17:06.19 | Klaps | how can i install x server? |
| 17:06.23 | Klaps | fopr vnc |
| 17:06.25 | Klaps | for |
| 17:07.33 | FordCortina | hi when i do apt-get build-dep ia32-libs-gtk, why does it not warn me that ia32-libs is not installed and is not available as a binary. is this a bug? |
| 17:07.56 | graytron | when i installed etch on my 3ware raid and tried booting the system, grub complains "file not found 15" |
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| 17:08.31 | Elive_user21 | hello all :) |
| 17:09.14 | avallark | hello all :) |
| 17:09.14 | \amethyst | Klaps: a 'fake' X server? |
| 17:09.14 | \amethyst | Klaps: xvfb might work |
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| 17:09.43 | Klaps | xvfb ?` |
| 17:09.56 | Cripps | hm ... I guess I never really asked for help ... the information for my issue is a few lines previous: would somebody help me figure out exactly why I am unable to configure/build the wacom module so that I can get my tablet working? |
| 17:10.03 | \amethyst | !info xvfb |
| 17:10.08 | Cripps | Klaps, x virtual frame buffer |
| 17:10.09 | dpkg | xvfb: (Virtual Framebuffer 'fake' X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 (sid), Packaged size: 1502 kB, Installed size: 3812 kB |
| 17:10.35 | Klaps | how can i get this on my server? |
| 17:10.36 | Cripps | ooh ... good compression on the package. |
| 17:10.39 | Klaps | apt-get ? |
| 17:10.40 | graytron | im desperate |
| 17:11.48 | capiira | desperate housewifes :D |
| 17:11.49 | \amethyst | Klaps: apt-get install xvfb |
| 17:11.52 | xuxa | I seem to have gotten myself into a dependency-hole (though I don't know how). My sources.list specifies "testing". apt-get dist-upgrade gives me "locales: Depends: glibc-2.6-1" but trying to install glibc-2.6-1 tells me I need the linux-image-2.6 kernel... argh! How do I install that kernel? |
| 17:12.16 | graytron | guys, i only have one machine and id like to install debian on it, but the installer doenst make my system bootable. should i install kubuntu instead? |
| 17:12.32 | \amethyst | Klaps: aha, vncserver doesn't use a display anyway |
| 17:12.33 | Cripps | xuxa "apt-get install linux-image-2.6" |
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| 17:12.49 | \amethyst | Klaps: So just vncserver should be sufficient |
| 17:12.56 | Cripps | xuxa, once that is done, reboot into the shiny new kernel and re-try the 'apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 17:12.58 | capiira | hmm sorry i dont have a raid controller here cant help you |
| 17:13.00 | \amethyst | Klaps: apt-get install vncserver |
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| 17:13.32 | capiira | maybe you find something on google |
| 17:13.35 | capiira | or debian.org |
| 17:13.37 | avallark | vncserver works quite well on deb |
| 17:13.39 | Cripps | \amethyst, vncserver *can* use a display :) |
| 17:14.03 | \amethyst | Cripps: oh? in sid it says "This server does not support or need a display." |
| 17:14.04 | Cripps | vncserver :0 |
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| 17:14.20 | Klaps | i did install all now and still not work |
| 17:14.26 | wols_ | amphi: without a display, how could X work? |
| 17:14.28 | xuxa | Cripps: thanks for the help... I'm told to explicitly select the kernel to install but "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21-2-686" gives the error: " Depends: initramfs-tools (>= 0.55)" |
| 17:14.31 | Klaps | did i have to change something in the settings? |
| 17:14.33 | capiira | search for install grub on raid maybe even grub released to your hardware |
| 17:14.35 | wols_ | even xvfb sorta emulates a display |
| 17:14.46 | Klaps | kde... |
| 17:14.47 | \amethyst | wols_: vncserver simulates its own display |
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| 17:15.06 | Cripps | \amethyst, if you have X up and running, you should be able to specify on the command line to use the running X instance for the display to be logged into. |
| 17:15.09 | wols_ | Amorphous: then use x11vnc |
| 17:15.34 | Wowbagger_ | Cripps: You need x11vnc for that. |
| 17:15.49 | Klaps | ./xstartup |
| 17:15.50 | avallark | anyone tried hacking into the motorola e6 fone? |
| 17:15.56 | Klaps | xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
| 17:16.03 | Klaps | vncconfig: unable to open display "" |
| 17:16.03 | Cripps | xuxa, yeah, you should stick to the *default* (or generic) 2.6 image and let apt do its own thing ... unless you've custom built a kernel and want to use that ;) |
| 17:16.09 | Klaps | ns351929:~/.vnc# x-window-manager: cannot connect to X server |
| 17:16.11 | avallark | anyones got any idea if there is a room for the embedded linux? |
| 17:16.16 | Klaps | x-terminal-emulator: cannot connect to X server |
| 17:16.24 | Klaps | thats all i get |
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| 17:16.45 | Cripps | Wowbagger_, ahh, right. I forgot about that extra. |
| 17:16.49 | xuxa | Cripps: I'm happy to go with whatever kernel apt-get wants to use. My current kernel was simply installed by default when I set up the system. |
| 17:16.57 | Cripps | ... it's been awhile since I've needed to use vnc |
| 17:17.04 | \amethyst | Klaps: you have to connect to the VNC server from another machine |
| 17:17.18 | Klaps | i know i do from my windows machine |
| 17:17.37 | Cripps | xuxa, yeah. I only use the brand spanking newest kernels to 1)test the new freatures and 2)test my kernel patches |
| 17:17.55 | Cripps | ...although, I'd have to say, I'mnot all that impressed with the new scheduler :/ |
| 17:18.01 | Klaps | Unable to connect to host: Connection refused (10061) |
| 17:18.02 | graytron | how can i see inside initr image? |
| 17:18.22 | avallark | anyone's got a motorokr e6? |
| 17:18.59 | xuxa | Cripps: here's what it says when I try "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6": http://pastebin.ca/671429 |
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| 17:19.12 | \amethyst | Klaps: what is xstartup? |
| 17:19.15 | Cripps | so, does anyone here that has a wacom tablet want to give me a hand troubleshooting my installation? |
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| 17:19.45 | Klaps | sry how to start it |
| 17:19.49 | Klaps | vncserver - start |
| 17:19.50 | Klaps | ? |
| 17:19.53 | \amethyst | Klaps: you don't run xstartup directly, you put it in .vnc |
| 17:20.10 | \amethyst | Klaps: then just vncserver |
| 17:20.38 | Klaps | i get |
| 17:20.47 | Klaps | New 'X' desktop is LOCALHOSTIP:1 |
| 17:21.00 | Klaps | Starting applications specified in /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 17:21.14 | Klaps | Log file is /root/.vnc/LOCALHOSTIP:1.log |
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| 17:21.18 | \amethyst | Klaps: err, it's not 127.0.0.1:1 is it? |
| 17:21.32 | Klaps | no its the server domainname |
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| 17:21.37 | \amethyst | oh, okey |
| 17:21.51 | Klaps | but its not work.. |
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| 17:22.00 | Cripps | xuxa, maybe you should do "apt-get clean all; apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" before doing "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 17:22.23 | \amethyst | Klaps: ? |
| 17:22.32 | xuxa | Cripps: okay, I'll try that |
| 17:22.34 | xuxa | thanks! |
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| 17:22.47 | \amethyst | Klaps: still Connection refused? |
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| 17:22.57 | Cripps | xuxa, I'm just grasping at straws here, but I hope it works ;) |
| 17:23.02 | xuxa | thanks. :) |
| 17:23.19 | Klaps | yes |
| 17:23.36 | Cripps | hmm ... maybe I'll do a dist upgrade too ... what's testing now, lenny? |
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| 17:23.39 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: What are you connecting with? vncviewer? |
| 17:24.09 | Klaps | yes |
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| 17:24.22 | Klaps | vnc-4_1_2-x86_win32_viewer.zip |
| 17:24.35 | \amethyst | Klaps: and you're giving server.domain:1 as the host and display? |
| 17:24.41 | Wowbagger_ | On the machine which you're running vncserver, do yo have regular x11 running too? |
| 17:24.45 | Klaps | no only the ip |
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| 17:25.01 | xuxa | Cripps: alas, no luck yet. but I'll keep trying. Thanks for the suggestions |
| 17:25.08 | \amethyst | Klaps: you also need to tell it the :1 part probably |
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| 17:25.20 | \amethyst | Klaps: is there possibly a firewall rule blocking it? |
| 17:25.38 | Klaps | no i dont think so |
| 17:26.12 | \amethyst | Klaps: if you just give the host it tries display :0. Try connecting to server-ip:1 instead |
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| 17:26.23 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: If you have a graphic display on the machine which you're running vncserver, you can connect to it using vncviewer on that machine... to rule out network problems. |
| 17:26.35 | Cripps | xuxa, if I think of anything else, I'll let you know ... give me a shout if you get it working before that :) |
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| 17:28.18 | Wowbagger_ | Is Klaps running between rooms? |
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| 17:28.32 | Klaps | i tried :1 same not working i have only ssh login its a root server |
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| 17:29.35 | gonzaloaf | hello, whay do I receive this message all the time? http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7208/screenshotunlockkeyringyp2.png |
| 17:29.36 | Wowbagger_ | On the server which you have vncserver running, what do you see when you type: "telnet localhost 5901"? |
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| 17:29.41 | gonzaloaf | why* |
| 17:30.13 | AmR|EiSa | hi |
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| 17:30.43 | AmR|EiSa | i want know if installgui work with NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200 card ??? |
| 17:31.07 | Klaps | i get no answer |
| 17:31.28 | gonzaloaf | hello, why do I receive this message from vino-server all the time? http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7208/screenshotunlockkeyringyp2.png |
| 17:31.30 | Sivik | AmR|EiSa, use the legacy drivers |
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| 17:31.42 | dvs | !tell gonzaloaf -about repeat |
| 17:31.44 | Sivik | !nvidia | AmR|EiSa |
| 17:31.53 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: That's odd. |
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| 17:32.21 | \amethyst | Klaps: does pidof Xvnc say anything? |
| 17:32.24 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: If it's on display 1, port 5901 should let you connect. |
| 17:32.39 | AmR|EiSa | Sivik, !nvidia ? this will run helpbot or the chan ? |
| 17:33.03 | gonzaloaf | dvs, I have corrected the sentence |
| 17:33.24 | Wowbagger_ | \amethyst, Klaps: or pidof Xrealvnc |
| 17:33.33 | gonzaloaf | no clues for me? |
| 17:33.38 | AmR|EiSa | !nvidia |
| 17:33.38 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 17:34.46 | AmR|EiSa | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:34.47 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 17:34.57 | Klaps | no outputs with pidof Xrealvnc |
| 17:34.59 | Wowbagger_ | \amethyst, Klaps: Or maybe "ps -ax | grep -i vnc" to be sure. :) |
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| 17:35.27 | Klaps | Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 17:35.27 | Klaps | 13083 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep -i vnc |
| 17:35.45 | AmR|EiSa | this is ok with me and very good help but i want know if installgui will work or not ??? |
| 17:35.48 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: because the debian version of vino uses the gnome keyring to store the VNC password |
| 17:35.57 | wols_ | AmR|EiSa: it will work |
| 17:36.02 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: Is there a log file in .vnc? |
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| 17:36.11 | Klaps | yea |
| 17:36.22 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, so? |
| 17:36.32 | Klaps | ipofhteserver:1.log |
| 17:36.33 | CalJohn | what is the opposite of rmmod (ie to load a modules?) |
| 17:36.47 | wols_ | !tell CalJohn about modprobe |
| 17:36.49 | gonzaloaf | CalJohn, modprobe |
| 17:36.50 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: Have a look at it and see if there's any explanation about why it exited. |
| 17:36.54 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: wait, how often do you get the popup? |
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| 17:36.57 | AmR|EiSa | wols_, for NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 100/200 card ??? |
| 17:37.05 | dvs | CalJohn: modprobe |
| 17:37.20 | AmR|EiSa | in most linux it's not work so i try get more info :$ ? |
| 17:37.21 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, sometimes every 10 seconds for a 5 minutes |
| 17:37.22 | wols_ | AmR|EiSa: before asking one should learn to read |
| 17:37.29 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, what does it mean? |
| 17:37.46 | wols_ | AmR|EiSa: your card works in pretty much any linux for the last 5+ years |
| 17:38.08 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: it simply means vino uses a centralized password storage (gnome keyring) |
| 17:38.29 | Klaps | thats all |
| 17:38.30 | Klaps | http://pastebin.com/m3f186e1d |
| 17:38.33 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: possibly it's asking every time someone tries to connect? |
| 17:38.35 | Klaps | in the log |
| 17:38.36 | AmR|EiSa | nop it's crash in Fc and f and yast work but not with x server |
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| 17:38.48 | Klaps | there is no error msg |
| 17:39.09 | Sivik | AmR|EiSa, yes |
| 17:39.15 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, this is what worries me, some intruder is trying to get control of my computer |
| 17:39.30 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: do you have a public IP on your debian box? |
| 17:39.45 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I have a no-ip.org sub-domain |
| 17:39.54 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: do you need to connect to VNC from the outside world? |
| 17:39.58 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: that is not what I asked. a domain is not an IP |
| 17:40.15 | wols_ | and if you do have a public IP the next question is: why is vino running? |
| 17:40.17 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I have a dynamic IP |
| 17:40.26 | wols_ | gonzaloaf: that's not what I asked eithre |
| 17:40.33 | gonzaloaf | wols_, I am behind a NAT, so this computer has a private IP |
| 17:40.45 | \amethyst | who else is behind the nat? |
| 17:40.51 | wols_ | when behind NAT, do you have port 5900 port forwarded? |
| 17:41.22 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, me and my another house computers (laptop, my mom's...) |
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| 17:41.37 | gonzaloaf | wols_, yes |
| 17:42.03 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: do you need to connect to your vnc session from the outside world? |
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| 17:42.41 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, yes, from my work for example |
| 17:43.06 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, is it possible to tell vino-server not to use port 5900 but another? |
| 17:43.07 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: Strange. |
| 17:43.32 | Klaps | xstartup is in the .vnc dir if i do ./xstartup i get |
| 17:43.47 | Klaps | xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
| 17:43.48 | Klaps | vncconfig: unable to open display "" |
| 17:43.48 | Klaps | ns351929:~/.vnc# x-window-manager: cannot connect to X server |
| 17:43.48 | Klaps | x-terminal-emulator: cannot connect to X server |
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| 17:44.01 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: better would be to set up firewall rules to only allow you to connect from work |
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| 17:44.19 | moyix | is mdadm necessary to actually start a RAID array once it's been created, or does it just monitor the array for failures? is the information on the array configuration stored on the disks themselves somehow? |
| 17:44.36 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: That's ok... the DISPLAY environment variable isn't set... and there's also no display. |
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| 17:44.37 | blinx | how can I start a gtk tool from the virtual console 1 (CTRL + ALT + 1)? |
| 17:44.38 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, my work computer is behind a NAT too |
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| 17:45.05 | Klaps | and now ? |
| 17:45.24 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: you can allow connection from the public-facing IP... anyone at work would be able to connect and try a password, but that's better than anyone in the world |
| 17:45.31 | blinx | I have to export a DISPLAY number? |
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| 17:45.43 | \amethyst | blinx: start it where? |
| 17:45.45 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: ? |
| 17:45.49 | Klaps | yea |
| 17:45.50 | \amethyst | blinx: where do you want the display to go to? |
| 17:46.01 | blinx | \amethyst: from my virtual console in my X server |
| 17:46.06 | blinx | I have only one X server |
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| 17:46.15 | \amethyst | blinx: DISPLAY=:0 program |
| 17:46.19 | blinx | thx |
| 17:46.20 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, but sometimes I am in my friends house and need to connect to my computer, can I change the port? |
| 17:46.33 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: changing the port won't make it secure |
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| 17:46.37 | Klaps | yes Wowbagger_ ? |
| 17:46.51 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: Nothing I guess... |
| 17:47.08 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, is there a way to know what IP is trying to connect? |
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| 17:47.13 | Klaps | so it will never work on my machine or what is wrong? |
| 17:47.22 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: It looks to me that the vncserver script is doing something wrong. |
| 17:47.37 | Klaps | i c |
| 17:47.40 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: You could try running Xrealvnc directly. |
| 17:48.27 | Klaps | Fatal server error: |
| 17:48.27 | Klaps | Couldn't add screen |
| 17:48.52 | Klaps | Couldn't open RGB_DB '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb' |
| 17:49.06 | Klaps | if i type Xrealvnc |
| 17:49.19 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: not that I know... vino seems to be a bit skimpy on the documentation |
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| 17:49.25 | Wowbagger_ | Well, it needs some arguments. It might work with just Xrealvnc :1 |
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| 17:49.45 | Klaps | so? what i have to do? |
| 17:49.54 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: You can try that and see if Xrealvnc runs. |
| 17:49.56 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, I better use another vnc server right? |
| 17:50.03 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: Another option is to try install xtightvncserver |
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| 17:50.24 | FordCortina | when i do apt-get build-dep ia32-libs-gtk, why does it not warn me that ia32-libs is not installed and is not available as a binary. is this a bug? |
| 17:50.24 | Wowbagger_ | Sorry... it's tightvncserver |
| 17:50.36 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: better would be to make a list of places you will vnc from, and only add those |
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| 17:50.55 | \amethyst | gonzaloaf: if you need to vnc from somewhere else, you can always ssh in and add a new firewall rule first |
| 17:50.57 | Klaps | ok i did apt-get install tightvncserver |
| 17:51.00 | Klaps | and now? |
| 17:51.05 | Wowbagger_ | Try typing tightvncserver |
| 17:51.22 | gonzaloaf | \amethyst, yes, this is a good solution |
| 17:51.23 | Wowbagger_ | And then pidof Xtightvnc |
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| 17:51.36 | smacnay | Is it ok to remove a kernel's tree from /usr/src after the kernel had been built and installed? |
| 17:51.44 | Danielss89 | is there a command so i can see how much RAM i have in my computer? |
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| 17:52.05 | Pc_Dark | Danielss89: top i believe |
| 17:52.07 | berat | hey problem |
| 17:52.07 | Nuxis | how do I change the permission of a map |
| 17:52.17 | berat | my system can not be suspended or hibenated |
| 17:52.19 | dvs | Danielss89: free |
| 17:52.23 | \amethyst | smacnay: did you install it via make-kpkg or using make install ? |
| 17:52.29 | berat | it says check the fhelp for the common problem |
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| 17:52.52 | Klaps | watch this Wowbagger_ |
| 17:52.53 | Klaps | http://pastebin.com/m5715992a |
| 17:53.31 | Nuxis | someone? |
| 17:53.37 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: I guess you don't have any fonts installed. |
| 17:53.52 | \amethyst | Klaps: install xfonts-base and xbase-clients on the server |
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| 17:54.16 | linuxtk10 | hey whats that program people use to plot things on a map ? |
| 17:54.18 | linuxtk10 | of the world ? |
| 17:54.21 | linuxtk10 | i cant remember it |
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| 17:54.24 | linuxtk10 | something earth |
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| 17:54.35 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: xearth can do it I think |
| 17:54.42 | Nuxis | I can't write on my externel hard disk and I can't change the permisions... |
| 17:54.45 | Wowbagger_ | Thanks \amethyst |
| 17:54.56 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: but it's not in debian anymore---try xplanet |
| 17:55.01 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: Making progress. :) |
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| 17:55.43 | Klaps | ok i did all and now if i type tightvncserver i get |
| 17:55.56 | Klaps | New 'X' desktop is serverdowmain.net:2 |
| 17:56.06 | Klaps | Starting applications specified in /root/.vnc/xstartup |
| 17:56.19 | Klaps | Log file is /root/.vnc/SERVERDOMAIN.net:2.log |
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| 17:56.44 | marc7 | can anybody recommend syslog-ng over sysklogd? any reasons I should go with one over another? i know that the -ng edition has a "premium" edition available on their website for cash money... but barring that option, what should I look into? |
| 17:56.53 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: You might be in the clear... try connecting to it. (or if it's easier that going to the other machine telnet localhost 5902) |
| 17:57.07 | linuxtk10 | \amethyst: yep thanks that was it, thanks again |
| 17:57.13 | smacnay | \amethyst: make-kpkg |
| 17:57.31 | Klaps | ok |
| 17:57.36 | FordCortina | what's a good mailing list to post to if you want ask about something that could be a bug but your not really sure? (in debian packages) |
| 17:57.39 | Klaps | what is the password:) |
| 17:57.42 | Klaps | it works |
| 17:57.48 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: Yay! :) |
| 17:57.54 | Klaps | Thanks! |
| 17:57.57 | smacnay | \amethyst: but I do build some modules against it (nvidia for example) |
| 17:58.09 | Klaps | what is password |
| 17:58.51 | Wowbagger_ | By default I thought it was blank. |
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| 17:59.02 | Klaps | i have it |
| 17:59.02 | Wowbagger_ | vncpasswd should let you set it. |
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| 17:59.20 | Klaps | iam logged in now but i see a console |
| 17:59.30 | \amethyst | marc7: the configuration of syslog-ng is a bit more flexible, but if you have a syslogd config file that works for you I see no reason to switch |
| 17:59.34 | Klaps | and no desktop... |
| 17:59.47 | Klaps | i thought i sse kde... |
| 17:59.57 | \amethyst | Klaps: is kde installed? |
| 18:00.03 | Klaps | yea |
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| 18:00.15 | Klaps | i think yes |
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| 18:00.27 | \amethyst | Klaps: well, you shouldn't be running it as root anyway |
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| 18:00.29 | Klaps | yes it is |
| 18:00.37 | Klaps | ah ok i see |
| 18:00.55 | \amethyst | Klaps: but I don't think kde refuses to run as root |
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| 18:01.02 | \amethyst | look in the logs :) |
| 18:01.14 | enouf | \amethyst: kdesu , iinm |
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| 18:02.16 | enouf | (though as mentioned - shouldn't run anything X related as root anyway) |
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| 18:04.54 | Klaps | how can i reinstall KDE= |
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| 18:05.59 | jhiver | ewwww, i have something strange going on with my IAX2 trunk... inbound used bandwith is 61.6kbps, outbound used is 128.9 kbps |
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| 18:06.08 | jhiver | shouldn't it me symetrical? |
| 18:06.19 | jhiver | s/me/be/ |
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| 18:06.32 | Klaps | konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /usr/share/apps/konsole/mc.desktop |
| 18:06.32 | Klaps | konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /usr/share/apps/konsole/sumc.desktop |
| 18:07.23 | Klaps | alot of desktop errors |
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| 18:10.13 | pingouin | someone know a package that can give me more informations on mp3 files than a simple file foo.mp3, like the encoding rate etc... ? please |
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| 18:11.07 | Klaps | any idea Wowbagger_ |
| 18:11.16 | Klaps | or \amethyst |
| 18:11.29 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: Sorry Klaps. |
| 18:11.52 | abrotman | pingouin: most players will |
| 18:12.09 | Klaps | :( |
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| 18:12.32 | Klaps | can you tell me how to reinstall KDE |
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| 18:12.51 | epsilon | purge and install |
| 18:12.55 | Wowbagger_ | Klaps: No... sorry. |
| 18:12.57 | Cripps | what version of kde is shipping with lenny? |
| 18:13.03 | dErFF | vmc is good to connect to debian...? |
| 18:13.03 | dErFF | vnc |
| 18:13.03 | \amethyst | pingouin: mpg123 -n 0 -t file.mp3 |
| 18:13.04 | smacnay | \amethyst: I compile my kernels with make-kpkg - is it wise to remove the source tree from /usr/src when done? |
| 18:13.06 | abrotman | !info kdebase lenny |
| 18:13.06 | wols_ | !info kde lenny |
| 18:13.12 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (lenny), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 18:13.15 | dpkg | kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.7-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 18:13.18 | Cripps | abrotman, wols_ , thanks. |
| 18:13.25 | pingouin | abrotman / \amethyst ok thanks both of you |
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| 18:13.44 | \amethyst | smacnay: as long as you've got the headers and image around, it should be fine |
| 18:13.53 | Danielss89 | hmm, why can programs use more than 100 % cpu when running TOP?? |
| 18:14.09 | \amethyst | Danielss89: you have more than one CPU? |
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| 18:14.38 | \amethyst | Danielss89: and the program is multithreaded |
| 18:14.42 | Danielss89 | hmm okey, i would think that it would just calcoulate that.. |
| 18:14.51 | Danielss89 | okey \amethyst.. |
| 18:14.53 | Danielss89 | thanks |
| 18:15.13 | \amethyst | Danielss89: you can toggle that |
| 18:15.22 | smacnay | \amethyst: I have the .deb image but am not sure about the headers... |
| 18:15.31 | Danielss89 | another question.. my mysql is only using 7.5 % ram, do i increase that in the mysql config file or is it debian? |
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| 18:15.40 | abrotman | it'll use what it needs |
| 18:15.41 | \amethyst | Danielss89: capital I for "Irix mode" |
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| 18:16.16 | \amethyst | smacnay: then do make-kpkg kernel_headers before you rm it, in case you need them to build modules later |
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| 18:16.50 | marc7 | \amethyst: thanks for your earlier suggestion regarding sysklogd/syslog-ng... I think the big thing I'm trying to accomplish is establishing a central logging server where other devices log to it remotely... and inetutils-syslogd (i believe) only uses the traditional UDP logging method. I'm trying to figure out exactly how all this works, but it's not like there's an overwhelming amount of documentation for any of this stuff |
| 18:16.53 | \amethyst | smacnay: it's also wise to preserve the .config, but that's in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 18:17.36 | smacnay | \amethyst: thanks - I did not know about the kernel_headers command |
| 18:17.55 | \amethyst | marc7: the syslog-ng.conf man page is helpful, as well as looking at the default config |
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| 18:18.07 | \amethyst | marc7: you can set up tcp sources in the config |
| 18:18.17 | marc7 | \amethyst: yeah, i'm also finding the syslog-ng webpage to be more helpful than I had originally expected |
| 18:18.27 | AmR|EiSa | what linux IA mean ?? |
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| 18:18.45 | \amethyst | AmR|EiSa: ? |
| 18:18.51 | \amethyst | AmR|EiSa: Is it IA-64 perhaps? |
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| 18:19.16 | AmR|EiSa | nop 32 |
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| 18:19.25 | bkudria | is there a way to list installed packages, by size? |
| 18:19.26 | abrotman | AmR|EiSa: where are you seeing this ? |
| 18:19.41 | AmR|EiSa | http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html |
| 18:19.45 | wols_ | AmR|EiSa: IA32 usually means x86 |
| 18:19.48 | \amethyst | AmR|EiSa: IA-32 means 32-bit x86 architecture, IA-64 is Itanium (which you almost certainly do not want) |
| 18:19.59 | Cripps | AmR|EiSa, IA is "Intel Architecture" |
| 18:19.59 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 18:20.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 18:20.03 | agent | DeVeDe created a nice ISO DVD with added black bars, in mplayer the picture appears correct with black bars shown, but on the home DVD players (2 of them), black bars are missing plus the left/right sides are cut off to compensate for the "missing" black bars. Anyone know what the cause of this could be? |
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| 18:20.21 | AmR|EiSa | lol. thanks :) |
| 18:20.21 | petemc | or use dpkg-query.. |
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| 18:20.39 | petemc | dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size;10}\t${Package}\n' | sort -k1,1n |
| 18:21.04 | sree | ny one tried splashy or bootsplash in etch |
| 18:21.36 | sree | need help guys |
| 18:21.39 | agent | !ask |
| 18:21.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 18:22.06 | AmR|EiSa | Last Q, can i paly .mov files easy in debian ??? |
| 18:22.19 | agent | AmR|EiSa: Yes. |
| 18:22.20 | Klaps | konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /usr/share/apps/konsole/mc.desktop |
| 18:22.20 | Klaps | konsole: WARNING: Unable to use /usr/share/apps/konsole/sumc.desktop |
| 18:22.23 | abrotman | depends which quicktime format |
| 18:22.24 | sree | how to new boot splash in deb etc |
| 18:22.25 | Klaps | what can i do |
| 18:22.28 | abrotman | stop using kde |
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| 18:22.36 | abrotman | or ignore them |
| 18:23.12 | sree | initrd made frm splash cmd is not working in deb etch |
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| 18:23.27 | sree | i added kernel patch too |
| 18:23.31 | sree | still no hope |
| 18:23.34 | agent | AmR|EiSa: Install VLC (or mplayer, which is more advanced but more difficult to use) |
| 18:24.54 | Klaps | how can i unintall KDE? |
| 18:24.54 | sree | hello |
| 18:24.55 | agent | sree: http://wiki.debian.org/Bootsplash?highlight=%28bootsplash%29 |
| 18:25.03 | Klaps | !info uninstall kde |
| 18:25.14 | agent | Klaps: That all depends on how you installed KDE. |
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| 18:25.40 | Klaps | apt-get install kde |
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| 18:25.57 | epsilon | apt-get remove --purge kde |
| 18:26.03 | abrotman | that won't do anything |
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| 18:26.26 | Klaps | hm |
| 18:26.34 | agent | Klaps: You should have used aptitude ;) |
| 18:26.36 | epsilon | won't the metapacke uninstall all dependency? |
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| 18:26.50 | epsilon | (not sure, never uninstalled kde that way) |
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| 18:26.53 | abrotman | epsilon: hellno |
| 18:26.55 | agent | epsilon: Not via apt-get, via aptitude only (well, new apt-get will do that too soon) |
| 18:26.58 | abrotman | !remove kde |
| 18:26.59 | dpkg | somebody said remove kde was aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 18:27.19 | Klaps | !remove kde |
| 18:27.20 | dpkg | i guess remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
| 18:27.31 | abrotman | !de |
| 18:27.32 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 18:27.32 | Klaps | cool |
| 18:27.43 | epsilon | then remove kde core packages as kdelibs - and the leftover |
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| 18:28.03 | agent | sree: You should note that bootsplash is dead. |
| 18:28.41 | sree | yes |
| 18:28.43 | agent | sree: http://forums.debian.net and search for "bootsplash", "splashy" or whatever. Plenty of threads on this topic. |
| 18:28.44 | Klaps | how can i stop tightvnserver? |
| 18:28.54 | sree | i tried splashy |
| 18:28.55 | Klaps | !stop tightvncserver |
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| 18:29.03 | sarge2etch | I have a cheap pc (celeron2000, 256 - 32 MB RAM, 80GB HD, everything onboard) running sarge for 2 years now, many backports packages, some .debs from the net (like openoffice2), some rpm installed by alien, some experiments/adjustments in the /etc-hierarchy and sources.list --- is there a safe way to dist-upgrade, or is it better to just take the 3 DVDs and install anew? |
| 18:29.28 | agent | Klaps: Probably something like /etc/init.d/tightvnc stop (as root) |
| 18:29.29 | epsilon | Klaps: kill the process |
| 18:29.45 | Klaps | how can i get the pid= |
| 18:30.01 | Klaps | iam new to debian |
| 18:30.10 | sree | splashy is not stable |
| 18:30.20 | agent | Klaps: pidof ;) |
| 18:30.26 | agent | Klaps: man pidof |
| 18:30.34 | smacnay | \amethyst: do the kernel headers need to ever be updated if the kernel remains unchaged? |
| 18:30.36 | abrotman | !tell Klaps about grounding |
| 18:30.58 | abrotman | sarge2etch: they recommend you remove your backports before doing the distupgrade |
| 18:31.15 | \amethyst | smacnay: no... they should match the kernel you want to compile modules for |
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| 18:31.36 | sarge2etch | but no probs with alien packages and yacy repository? |
| 18:31.44 | \amethyst | smacnay: so if you keep the same kernel image, you could keep the same headers too |
| 18:31.45 | abrotman | sarge2etch: i'd remove those too |
| 18:31.49 | sarge2etch | okay |
| 18:31.50 | epsilon | Klaps: p.s. don't forget to end kde/gnome whatever |
| 18:32.06 | smacnay | \amethyst: ok, I just installed the resulting .deb - no issue if I already have installed the nvidia modules into the kernel before doing this? |
| 18:32.18 | sarge2etch | is there an easy way to see what's "debian" and what's from outside? |
| 18:32.20 | \amethyst | Klaps: do tightvncserver -kill :2 where :2 was the display |
| 18:32.29 | abrotman | sarge2etch: apt-cache policy maybe |
| 18:32.35 | sarge2etch | thx |
| 18:32.36 | \amethyst | Klaps: you should read man tightvncserver |
| 18:32.55 | abrotman | man * ? |
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| 18:34.40 | wiebel | hi, i could use some help, for a little special LUKS setup, I want to encrypt a part of my Disk and partition that encrypted device |
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| 18:35.16 | sarge2etch | cu |
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| 18:35.28 | NaufraGo | hi. I've upgraded to etch, using i386, now I installed i686, do you think there could be any problem? |
| 18:35.37 | cast | wiebel: righto then. so whats the problem |
| 18:35.46 | \amethyst | smacnay: shouldn't be, I don't think |
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| 18:35.58 | wiebel | cast, i've no idea how to partition a dm-device |
| 18:36.03 | smacnay | \amethyst: thanks, well I will remove the tree now and free up half a gig of space. |
| 18:36.08 | Klaps | !remove gnome |
| 18:36.08 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
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| 18:36.22 | wiebel | cast, all howtos assume i only want to encrypt partitions as they are |
| 18:36.26 | cast | wiebel: hmm, me neither aside from using lvm |
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| 18:36.44 | cast | does fdisk /dev/mapper/name work? :) |
| 18:37.19 | wiebel | cast, i must admit that i haven't tried it right away, ok i'll test ;) |
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| 18:37.32 | Klaps | i have remove kde and want to reinstal it did i have to restart |
| 18:37.38 | Klaps | the server or only vnc? |
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| 18:37.54 | cast | nfi where the partitions would show up though even if that did work...i'd go with lvm if it doesn't work out, the d-i layers lvm over dmcrypt fine enough |
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| 18:40.50 | wiebel | cast, the real challenge would be to use one of the partitions under windows *g* |
| 18:41.03 | cast | wiebel: well, freeotfe will read the luks part |
| 18:41.19 | wiebel | ack, but no go for lvm |
| 18:41.23 | wiebel | afaik |
| 18:41.26 | cast | wiebel: i've head of windows projects to read lvm, but dunno how complete they are |
| 18:42.19 | wiebel | anyway win couldn't cope with a partitioning inside a LUKS device |
| 18:42.31 | cast | http://www.chrysocome.net/virtualvolumes Read and Write LVM2 (linear stripes only) :) |
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| 18:42.59 | wiebel | cast, nice one, thx that might help ;) |
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| 18:43.16 | cast | but yeah...i don't think you could jam the lvm2 ability of virtualvolumes with the luks ability of freeotfe and get luks/lvm working |
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| 18:44.53 | cast | unlike pickett i think its a bit late and shall go to sleep |
| 18:44.56 | cast | night all |
| 18:45.35 | smacnay | \amethyst: can the same be run on a kernel tree that is not the active tree? make-kpkg kernel_headers? |
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| 18:49.08 | efaistos | do you know if db designer fork will be available soon in Debian ? |
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| 18:50.20 | abrotman | efaistos: is there an RFP or ITP ? |
| 18:50.20 | Aleksej_ | bye |
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| 18:50.31 | efaistos | abrotman: didnt check .... URL ? |
| 18:50.44 | abrotman | debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
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| 18:52.01 | Klaps | No VNC extension on display :2 |
| 18:52.13 | AmR|EiSa | i think debian 2.0 doc or 3.0 have book in doc like linux how to , did i'm right ??? |
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| 18:52.59 | abrotman | AmR|EiSa: what is your native language ? |
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| 18:53.22 | AmR|EiSa | arabic |
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| 18:53.36 | efaistos | abrotman:thanks ... |
| 18:53.40 | Klaps | i have installed KDE new did i have to restart the server? |
| 18:53.45 | AmR|EiSa | i know my english is very boor but i try :( |
| 18:53.54 | efaistos | but there is no request for that software ... |
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| 18:54.14 | concept10 | anyone use bitchx? where is the proper format for connecting to servers in .ircservers? |
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| 18:54.48 | Klaps | i have installed KDE new did i have to restart the server? |
| 18:54.49 | AmR|EiSa | abrotman, ? |
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| 18:57.51 | AmR|EiSa | any info about that book i'm asking for url for it ? |
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| 19:00.06 | fas3r | nobody have idea ... :( |
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| 19:03.56 | lordrich | AmR|EiSa: there's some Debian docs at http://www.debian.org/doc/ which might be what you want |
| 19:04.10 | lordrich | AmR|EiSa: but what do you need docs for, what's the real problem you are having? |
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| 19:04.37 | paddor | how to use nice-values below zero as a normal user? maybe sudoers? |
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| 19:07.15 | Klaps | can anyone recomment a ftp client for linux? |
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| 19:07.28 | Miles_Prower | I can reccomend one not to use. |
| 19:07.34 | jetscreamer | gftp or filezilla |
| 19:07.40 | Miles_Prower | kftpgrabber = sucky constant-segfault software. |
| 19:07.42 | dvs | vsftp |
| 19:07.46 | Braindead | Klaps: lftp |
| 19:07.52 | Braindead | dvs: client, not server |
| 19:07.56 | dvs | oh client |
| 19:07.59 | epsilon | gftp sucks |
| 19:08.11 | jetscreamer | it functions |
| 19:08.14 | AcidMaX | is the ia-64 for debian the 64bit version for like intel duo-core boxes? |
| 19:08.16 | AmR|EiSa | lordrich, my problem is how use deb and linux very good that what i'm try |
| 19:08.25 | dvs | AcidMaX: no, that's itanium |
| 19:08.27 | dino4k | AcidMaX: no |
| 19:08.33 | \amethyst | Klaps: curlftpfs :) |
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| 19:09.11 | Klaps | where can i get it? |
| 19:09.14 | Miles_Prower | Amethyst's answer wins so far. |
| 19:09.17 | dino4k | imo amd64 should work on the intel arch |
| 19:09.17 | Klaps | with apg-gert? |
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| 19:09.20 | Klaps | with apg-get? |
| 19:09.27 | Miles_Prower | XD |
| 19:09.28 | Miles_Prower | apt-get? |
| 19:09.30 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 19:09.47 | AcidMaX | is ia-64 the 64 bit intel version kinda like the amd64 iso ? |
| 19:09.58 | jetscreamer | no |
| 19:10.02 | dvs | AcidMaX: we already answered that |
| 19:10.08 | Klaps | where can i get curlftpfs |
| 19:10.17 | Miles_Prower | Klaps: apt-get install curlftpfs |
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| 19:11.18 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 19:11.19 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 19:12.33 | Klaps | but its a command line client |
| 19:12.41 | Klaps | i need something like smartftp |
| 19:12.46 | Klaps | a gui |
| 19:12.51 | jetscreamer | gftp or filezilla |
| 19:12.58 | Braindead | Klaps: are you using any desktop environment ? |
| 19:13.03 | Klaps | yes |
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| 19:13.08 | Braindead | both kde and gnome support ftp transfers |
| 19:13.15 | Klaps | kde |
| 19:13.23 | Braindead | ftp://foo in konqueror |
| 19:13.29 | Braindead | (I suppose) |
| 19:13.36 | Klaps | i c but i need ssl |
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| 19:13.47 | Braindead | ftps:// ? |
| 19:13.47 | \amethyst | Klaps: curlftpfs is better than a command line client |
| 19:13.49 | Klaps | with ssl supprt |
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| 19:14.16 | Klaps | apt-get install curlftpfs |
| 19:14.22 | AmR|EiSa | lol i like deb site doc :) |
| 19:14.24 | \amethyst | Klaps: make a directory and run curlftpfs ftp://wherever.org/pub/ directory . Then the entire FTP site appears under that directory |
| 19:14.33 | Miles_Prower | Doesn't curlftps.. yeah. |
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| 19:14.38 | Miles_Prower | it's like mounting the remote FS. |
| 19:14.44 | \amethyst | Klaps: you have to run a program from the command-line, but then you can access it just like a local directory |
| 19:14.52 | Braindead | don't suggest curlftps to a person who asks 21:10 < Klaps> where can i get curlftpfs |
| 19:14.58 | Braindead | he just can't use it. |
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| 19:15.25 | wirefire | does anyone recommend a terminal editor which is like acts like an ide for c programming. For instance can check the syntax and parameters etc???/ |
| 19:15.31 | Miles_Prower | Braindead: I'm wondering right now, due to that request, if this user should really be in #ubuntu. XD |
| 19:15.34 | Braindead | I'd rather suggest lftp, open ftps://foo, bookmark add foo. but he wants a gui |
| 19:15.39 | Klaps | where can i find curlftpfx now in kde? |
| 19:15.46 | Klaps | where can i find curlftpfs now in kde? |
| 19:15.48 | Braindead | wirefire: vim ? |
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| 19:15.53 | Braindead | Klaps: FORGET about curlftps |
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| 19:15.56 | AcidMaX | sorry if this showed up before my irc was jacked... |
| 19:15.58 | AcidMaX | is ia64 the intel 64bit iso? |
| 19:16.01 | Braindead | see what I meant guys? |
| 19:16.08 | \amethyst | AcidMaX: ia64 is Itanium |
| 19:16.12 | \amethyst | AcidMaX: you want amd64 |
| 19:16.22 | Miles_Prower | AcidMaX: We've answered twice. It is Intel 64-Bit, but not Core. |
| 19:16.38 | Miles_Prower | AcidMax: Core != Intel 64-bit. |
| 19:17.42 | AcidMaX | sorry guys my irc is really jacked, its like a huge delay |
| 19:17.49 | Klaps | \amethyst curlftpfs has a gui? |
| 19:17.53 | AcidMaX | im getting messages minutes after you send them |
| 19:18.02 | Braindead | Klaps: FORGET ABOUT CURLFTPFS |
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| 19:18.03 | fas3r | nobody use RADIUS EAP-TLS ? i have this error when i want to connect to my server with user laptop : " rlm_eap_tls: No SSL info available. Waiting for more SSL data " if someone have idea ... :( |
| 19:18.08 | AcidMaX | thanks will use amd64 |
| 19:18.21 | Klaps | what sould i use i need some ftp client with ssl support |
| 19:18.25 | wirefire | Braindead: does vim support c syntax highlighting etc? |
| 19:18.30 | Braindead | wirefire: sure thing |
| 19:18.33 | abrotman | wirefire: yes |
| 19:18.39 | abrotman | wireddd: :syntax on |
| 19:18.39 | wirefire | Braindead: excellent |
| 19:18.48 | Klaps | Braindead |
| 19:18.55 | Braindead | Klaps: open konqueror and open ftps://foo:bar@host FFS |
| 19:19.04 | Klaps | i c |
| 19:19.14 | Klaps | ftps: |
| 19:19.24 | Klaps | but is there nothing like smartftp |
| 19:19.58 | abrotman | filezilla |
| 19:20.30 | AmR|EiSa | i mast go now, |
| 19:20.42 | AmR|EiSa | so good bye all and thanks for help |
| 19:20.46 | jetscreamer | bye |
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| 19:23.09 | Klaps | Braindead it says Protocoll not supported |
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| 19:26.47 | Trewas | Klaps: ftps is one of those things which have lacking linux support because they are only used for warez, and warez is kind of windows centric |
| 19:26.53 | DustyDingo | hi, when i create a raid5 out of 4 partitions with mdadm, and set the id in the partition table to "linux raid autodetect" aka fd and i boot into another system, could there be any problems with detecting this raid? |
| 19:27.47 | petemc | Trewas: dont be silly |
| 19:28.05 | Trewas | petemc: in what sense? :) |
| 19:28.20 | jetscreamer | ok so when a person logs in in console, how do i make startx run |
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| 19:28.24 | DustyDingo | because ubuntu (replace this with *-distri, if it bothers you) only creates /dev/sd?? decives and no md?'s |
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| 19:29.07 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 19:29.07 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:29.09 | fas3r | nobody use RADIUS EAP-TLS ? i have this error when i want to connect to my server with user laptop : " rlm_eap_tls: No SSL info available. Waiting for more SSL data " if someone have idea ... :( |
| 19:29.20 | Braindead | jetscreamer: if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ] && [ $(tty) == /dev/tty1 ]; then startx |
| 19:29.20 | Braindead | fi |
| 19:29.31 | Trewas | petemc: I have never seen a ftp site using ftps (ftp with ssl) that is not a warez site |
| 19:29.58 | DustyDingo | i assume, that any information the system needs to create the md devices and mount the partitions is stored in the partitions itself, right? |
| 19:30.16 | Braindead | Trewas: maybe because ANONYMOUS public ftps don't need no encryption? |
| 19:30.17 | petemc | Trewas: that proves nothing, other than you visit warez sites |
| 19:30.53 | Trewas | I don't, but care to point one public ftps site? |
| 19:30.57 | jetscreamer | Braindead: but in which file |
| 19:31.17 | Braindead | jetscreamer: whooops I forgot. .bash_profile |
| 19:31.24 | jetscreamer | ahh thankee |
| 19:31.32 | Braindead | Trewas: ftp.funet.fi ? |
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| 19:31.45 | Trewas | Braindead: that is plain ftp |
| 19:31.51 | Braindead | Trewas: that is the POINT |
| 19:32.04 | Braindead | which part of ANONYMOUS you didn't get? |
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| 19:32.35 | hardcampa_ | you "can" use ssl with anonymous though, It's just not comfortable. |
| 19:32.45 | Braindead | !ftpmustdie |
| 19:32.45 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 19:32.46 | hardcampa_ | Too many crappy clients out there |
| 19:32.47 | Braindead | anyway |
| 19:33.33 | wirefire | Braindead: ive got vim using syntax color coding cheers!, is it possible for vim to show what parameters a functions requires etc? like if i do "printf(" it shows what parameters it accepts? |
| 19:33.51 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 19:34.08 | jetscreamer | thanks again Braindead |
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| 19:34.40 | jetscreamer | heh greycat is wooledge |
| 19:34.49 | Trewas | Braindead: I still don't see what a normal ftp-site has to do with discussion about ftps |
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| 19:35.27 | Braindead | Trewas: nevermind |
| 19:36.19 | Trewas | sftp is a different beast, in case someone is mixing that with ftps :P |
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| 19:37.55 | Braindead | Trewas: the point is you don't need to encrypt anything if it's a public (non-warez) site. if it needs encryption it's either *private* or public but probably warez. saying "ftps is for warez" is like saying "teh internetz is for pr0n". no wait that is actually true... |
| 19:38.06 | jetscreamer | yeah i was gonna say |
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| 19:39.28 | Braindead | wirefire: I don't know which language you're using but you should search the interweb for "vim $yourlang code completion". and while you're at it take a look at cream.sf.net (aptitude show cream) |
| 19:39.32 | Trewas | Braindead: yeah, of course ftps can be used for legitimate stuff, I am not denying that, but lack of linux clients has probably something to do with its normal use case |
| 19:39.33 | jetscreamer | ooo now that i look at it it's only executing startx from tty1 ... good show |
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| 19:40.22 | jetscreamer | sensible |
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| 19:41.10 | Braindead | Trewas: the point is that "normal use case" of a linux user is NOT using ?ftp? alltogether |
| 19:41.18 | jetscreamer | not that my wife has any use for console |
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| 19:42.05 | Braindead | Trewas: your point doesn't hold up. there shouldn't be any P2P clients either |
| 19:42.20 | Braindead | oooo wait yeah LEGAL P2P, share the software... |
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| 19:43.42 | \amethyst | Trewas: I had to use ftps to upload things to my previous hosting provider (no ssh access, and I didn't want my password going in cleartext) |
| 19:43.49 | Trewas | Braindead: so where are the numerous ftps clients? |
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| 19:43.54 | \amethyst | Trewas: lftp does ftps |
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| 19:44.02 | tux2 | Hello |
| 19:44.17 | grumbel | how can I find out the size of a partition in bytes (partition itself, not the filesystem on it)? |
| 19:44.22 | \amethyst | as does curl |
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| 19:44.46 | tux2 | Will Debian GNU/Linux run on 200Mhz@64Mb@4Gb? |
| 19:44.54 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l or cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 19:45.38 | Trewas | \amethyst: oh, I knew about lftp, but I thought that it was pretty much the only client supporting it |
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| 19:46.08 | jetscreamer | tux2: that didn't make total sense |
| 19:46.12 | dino4k | i try to record some audio with audacity. I can hear the incomming stuff but didn't find a way to record it :( |
| 19:46.19 | Eulex | tux2, yes. X apps might be sluggish, but it'll do fine as a small server. |
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| 19:46.49 | tux2 | What WM do u recommend, Eulex? |
| 19:47.11 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.12 | tux2 | For a server |
| 19:47.15 | Eulex | tux2, umh, on that one, something that is as light-weight as possible |
| 19:47.16 | grumbel | jetscreamer: that only gives blocks |
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| 19:47.26 | fas3r | nobody use RADIUS EAP-TLS ? i have this error when i want to connect to my server with user laptop : " rlm_eap_tls: No SSL info available. Waiting for more SSL data " if someone have idea ... :( |
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| 19:47.44 | grumbel | and I am not sure on the notation, i.e. when I get "9767488+" from fdisk -l, what does the '+' mean? |
| 19:47.55 | tux2 | 4Gb is Seagate disk |
| 19:48.02 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 19:48.04 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:48.05 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 19:48.34 | tux2 | I heard about OpenBox und FluxBox |
| 19:48.53 | tux2 | What light WM is better? |
| 19:48.54 | jetscreamer | you don't want x on a server esp a slow one |
| 19:49.05 | jetscreamer | any of those are considered light though |
| 19:49.07 | Braindead | Trewas: there are quite a few ftp clients with ssl support. the fact they're not a MASS is either due to the fact that nobody gives a shit to SSL or the fact that nobody gives a shit to FTP protocol altogether. linking it to warez does not make any sense at all |
| 19:49.12 | jetscreamer | also icewm or twm |
| 19:49.32 | jetscreamer | twm is probably the most minimal but not sure |
| 19:49.32 | tux2 | And what about fwvm? |
| 19:49.49 | jetscreamer | try them all you can always uninstall |
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| 19:49.57 | tux2 | ) |
| 19:50.07 | tux2 | Thx |
| 19:50.23 | tux2 | What kernel comes with Sarge? |
| 19:51.17 | jetscreamer | 2.6.8 i 'think' |
| 19:51.23 | jetscreamer | or 2.4 ones |
| 19:51.25 | streuner | 2.6.8 ! Why do yu want sarge (oldstable) anyway? |
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| 19:51.47 | jetscreamer | etch is the new stable fyi |
| 19:51.54 | Braindead | tux2: old software doesn't actually mean "light" software. install a minimal etch |
| 19:51.54 | BleSS | how make rsync throught ssh indicating another port? |
| 19:52.05 | Braindead | tux2: also "old comp,old distro" is bullshit |
| 19:52.17 | tux2 | hmm |
| 19:52.29 | tux2 | R u shure? |
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| 19:52.44 | Braindead | tux2: no I'm saying it for teh LULZ |
| 19:52.46 | itchi | tux2: How is the beer this evening? :-p |
| 19:52.47 | streuner | 2.4.x kernels are lighter, but you should have 128 MB at least to run a 2.6.x kernel :-) |
| 19:52.48 | Braindead | yes, I'm seriour |
| 19:52.56 | Braindead | streuner: nope. |
| 19:52.59 | tux2 | Anyway I need new kernel |
| 19:53.04 | \amethyst | BleSS: -e 'ssh -p 9999' |
| 19:53.17 | streuner | tux2: How much RAM do you have? |
| 19:53.18 | tux2 | at last 2.6.18 |
| 19:53.25 | tux2 | 64 |
| 19:53.44 | Braindead | tux2: why is that? |
| 19:53.46 | angrydill | Hello all - I just made a stupid mistake... I just "rm -rf"'d my whole /sbin! :( Is there an easy way to recover it from /var/cache/dpkg rather than reinstalling the whole OS? |
| 19:53.46 | BleSS | \amethyst: thanks |
| 19:53.47 | streuner | get another box, they are cheap second hand... |
| 19:54.04 | itchi | angrydill: Take the backup and your solved :-) |
| 19:54.06 | Braindead | tux2: I mean why do you need 2.6.18 on a 200Mhz@64Mb@4Gb |
| 19:54.30 | angrydill | I only backup documents /etc and /var/lib |
| 19:54.58 | itchi | angrydill: Or another trick is to alias rm="echo don't do this" |
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| 19:55.08 | Trewas | Braindead: well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsite_%28warez%29 seems to suggest that ftps is quite normal for warez sites |
| 19:55.24 | Braindead | Trewas: so that proves WHAT? |
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| 19:56.03 | Braindead | Trewas: I blame global warming for lack of linux ftp clients with SSL support |
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| 19:56.13 | Braindead | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_FTP_clients BTW |
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| 19:56.30 | pickcoder | I blame FTP for a lack of efficiency |
| 19:56.40 | Codenut | what about lftp? |
| 19:56.44 | Trewas | Braindead: nothing, but I still haven't seen any normal ftps site.... not that I care how many ftps clients there are and how uses them for what :) |
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| 19:57.03 | wAndyw78 | angydill: ext2 or ext3 ? |
| 19:57.07 | \amethyst | angrydill: perhaps apt-get reinstall $(dpkg -S /sbin | sed -e 's/:.*//; s/, / /g') |
| 19:57.11 | pickcoder | scp is far more efficient for secure transfers |
| 19:57.19 | hardcampa_ | lftp got great ssl support |
| 19:57.32 | Klaps | hast lftp a gui? |
| 19:57.32 | hardcampa_ | gftp doesn't got ssl data support as far as I know |
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| 19:57.42 | hardcampa_ | it can auth but not do data transfers |
| 19:57.56 | Braindead | Trewas: ok. so stop defending your statement 21:26 < Trewas> Klaps: ftps is one of those things which have lacking linux support because they are only used for warez, and warez |
| 19:57.59 | Braindead | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.07 | hardcampa_ | anyway to solve all problems with ssl use stunnel then you can use any ftp client with ssl |
| 19:58.17 | jetscreamer | ftp has been deprecated |
| 19:58.22 | Klaps | i have installied KFTP Grabber but it didnt load where can i find logs from it |
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| 19:58.33 | jetscreamer | why don't you use wget |
| 19:58.37 | Codenut | lftp is better at text navigating by adding features to ftp |
| 19:58.38 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 19:58.47 | hardcampa_ | best warez ftp ever is made for linux: glftpd. Don't know any good scene ftp that doesn't use it. |
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| 19:58.57 | sanmarcos | hlleo |
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| 19:59.08 | abrotman | Klaps: which version of debian si this ? |
| 19:59.21 | Klaps | 4,0 |
| 19:59.22 | angrydill | thanks amethyst! That looks like it would probably work. |
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| 19:59.41 | Klaps | it wont start |
| 19:59.42 | \amethyst | angrydill: sorry, should be aptitude |
| 19:59.53 | Klaps | where can i find the logs |
| 19:59.58 | \amethyst | angrydill: apt-get doesn't have a 'reinstall' command, it's install --reinstall |
| 20:00.02 | Klaps | \amethyst |
| 20:00.05 | jetscreamer | /var/log |
| 20:00.06 | itchi | Is ftps been sftp? |
| 20:00.12 | itchi | Seems weird |
| 20:00.30 | \amethyst | Klaps: I know nothing about KFTP Grabber |
| 20:00.41 | \amethyst | itchi: they're entirely different things |
| 20:01.02 | \amethyst | itchi: ftps is ftp with TLS, sftp is an ftp-like protocol that runs over ssh |
| 20:01.07 | jetscreamer | there is no ftp |
| 20:01.20 | itchi | Anyway, gftp support ftps but not sftp :-s |
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| 20:01.46 | hardcampa_ | itchi: yeah but still, unless gftp got "ssl data" support now, it supports SSL only partly |
| 20:02.07 | Trewas | itchi: I think it is the other way around, at least I have managed to use gftp with sftp |
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| 20:02.23 | itchi | I mostly not use ftp too |
| 20:02.36 | itchi | I was just curious on the topic :-p |
| 20:02.48 | Braindead | Klaps: let's cut it short: curl, curlftpfs, kasablanca, gftp , lftp ,kftpgrabber they all support ftps. you need a gui and you want it "like smarftp". try gftp. |
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| 20:04.26 | hardcampa_ | someone should add yeah but do they support ssl fxp |
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| 20:04.28 | hardcampa_ | =) |
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| 20:05.36 | Trewas | hardcampa_: nobody would use things like that, warez does exist here |
| 20:05.43 | itchi | I hope my bell works now |
| 20:05.44 | hardcampa_ | =( |
| 20:06.03 | omg0 | I forgot everything I learned earlier about using this OS |
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| 20:07.00 | itchi | omg0: Just learn it again :-p |
| 20:07.06 | omg0 | I tried using dpkg-reconfigure x11 to reset my graphics but come up with command not found erro |
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| 20:07.19 | itchi | omg0: As root? |
| 20:07.23 | wAndyw78 | omg0: sudo? |
| 20:07.28 | omg0 | sudo? |
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| 20:07.36 | wAndyw78 | sudo dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:07.37 | itchi | wAndyw78: Go on *buntu :-p |
| 20:07.38 | claudio` | wb |
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| 20:07.57 | wAndyw78 | itchi: noooo, I'm using elnny |
| 20:07.58 | Braindead | I seriously doubt omg0 configured sudo properly. or even installed it |
| 20:08.04 | itchi | wAndyw78: sudo is not setup default like it is on Ubuntu |
| 20:08.05 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 20:08.05 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:08.08 | abrotman | omg0: are you root ? |
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| 20:08.31 | wAndyw78 | itchi: yes, thats possible, despity of this fact, I use sudo |
| 20:08.54 | wAndyw78 | omg... |
| 20:08.57 | omg0 | I am in sudo |
| 20:09.15 | Braindead | wAndyw78: what makes you assume someone that typed "dpkg-reconfigure >x11<" as a >user< installed and configured sudo on debian? |
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| 20:09.39 | wAndyw78 | Braindead: my trust in god... |
| 20:09.50 | Braindead | praaaaaaaaaaaaaaise jeeeeeeeeesus \o/ |
| 20:10.47 | omg0 | put the command in also as sudo dpkg-reconfigure X11 and it says X11 is not installed so I guess I need to figure out what GUI I am using |
| 20:11.07 | Braindead | omg0: xserver-xorg |
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| 20:11.13 | wAndyw78 | omg0: xserver-xorg |
| 20:11.16 | cloakable | omg0: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:11.24 | Braindead | !win Braindead |
| 20:11.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, Braindead! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:11.29 | wAndyw78 | *SECOND* :-) |
| 20:12.10 | cloakable | rofl |
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| 20:12.48 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 20:12.48 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 20:12.57 | BleSS | how run any remote command via ssh? |
| 20:13.23 | \amethyst | BleSS: ssh hostname command |
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| 20:13.40 | omg0 | I think I am using something earlier then |
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| 20:14.01 | Braindead | omg0: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:14.36 | cmanns | Hi |
| 20:14.50 | cmanns | apache2 was automatically installed, how do I remove it and anythhing having to do with it? |
| 20:15.11 | Braindead | cmanns: aptitude purge ~n^apache2 ? |
| 20:15.15 | wAndyw78 | cmanns: apt-get remove apache2 --purge ? |
| 20:15.32 | wAndyw78 | braindead: argh |
| 20:15.36 | Braindead | PWNT |
| 20:15.51 | Braindead | fast and elegant. :D |
| 20:15.52 | NiLon | is that ~n^ really valid? :P |
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| 20:16.11 | omg0 | Braindead, version 3.1 |
| 20:16.13 | Braindead | NiLon: yeah! one of the many great features of aptitude. check aptitude-doc ! :D |
| 20:16.22 | cmanns | Also looks like php5 is installed how do I remove it and stuff too |
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| 20:16.43 | Braindead | cmanns: use your immagination |
| 20:16.45 | NiLon | Braindead looks nice :) |
| 20:16.51 | cmanns | lol |
| 20:16.54 | wAndyw78 | Braindead: give him your telefon number... |
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| 20:17.02 | cmanns | Well what else is installed with php5 |
| 20:17.14 | cmanns | I can see php5 is installed but default is there abunch of other crap or nah? |
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| 20:17.23 | Braindead | cmanns: I quite don't understand the "automatically installed" part |
| 20:17.32 | Braindead | "the devil made me do it" ? |
| 20:17.34 | abrotman | someone checked boxes on tasksel .. |
| 20:17.46 | Braindead | the devil, I presume |
| 20:17.59 | wAndyw78 | we are all doomed... |
| 20:17.59 | Braindead | omg0: you're using Sarge then. really outdated |
| 20:18.03 | cmanns | Looks liek I got it all cleared out |
| 20:18.14 | gino | hi!! |
| 20:19.09 | wAndyw78 | gino: Hi, what is your disfunction? ;-) |
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| 20:19.48 | fas3r | nobody use RADIUS EAP-TLS ? i have this error when i want to connect to my server with user laptop : " rlm_eap_tls: No SSL info available. Waiting for more SSL data " if someone have idea ... :( |
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| 20:19.57 | cmanns | yay thanks Braindead |
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| 20:20.47 | Braindead | !customer |
| 20:20.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 20:21.59 | spx2 | my unrar is totally fucked up |
| 20:22.01 | spx2 | what can i do / |
| 20:22.02 | spx2 | ? |
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| 20:22.21 | Admin6 | i dont no |
| 20:22.24 | spx2 | i only have unrar-free |
| 20:22.33 | wAndyw78 | spx2: what is "totally fucked up" ? |
| 20:22.36 | spx2 | Admin6: <--s/no/know/ |
| 20:22.46 | Admin6 | :) |
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| 20:22.55 | spx2 | wAndyw78: I can't fuckin use it.Just tried it on 3 archives all files gave "Failed" wTF? |
| 20:22.57 | wAndyw78 | btw: 7zip can handle rar files to.... |
| 20:23.05 | spx2 | wAndyw78: lemme try that out |
| 20:23.14 | Admin6 | google search |
| 20:23.21 | Admin6 | unrar -x file |
| 20:23.31 | omg0 | darn. gonna have the arduous task of updating now |
| 20:23.44 | spx2 | Admin6: no go |
| 20:23.50 | wAndyw78 | spx2: p7zip-rar |
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| 20:24.32 | spx2 | wAndyw78: is 7zip the most popular archiver on linux nowdays ? |
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| 20:24.40 | wAndyw78 | spx2: perhaps your files are corrupted? |
| 20:25.00 | jetscreamer | no tar.bz2 or .tgz probably is but i'm guessing |
| 20:25.13 | wAndyw78 | spx2: don't know that. I only use this for rar files |
| 20:25.52 | spx2 | wAndyw78: just installed p7zip-full and no p7zip-rar |
| 20:25.57 | spx2 | wAndyw78: what do i do ? |
| 20:26.09 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search unrar ? |
| 20:26.18 | Braindead | 22:22 < spx2> i only have unrar-free |
| 20:26.18 | jetscreamer | man rar? |
| 20:26.22 | Braindead | spx2: guess what? |
| 20:26.26 | Braindead | !tell spx2 about non-free |
| 20:26.26 | spx2 | jetscreamer: that gives unrar-free wich I already told is totally farted |
| 20:26.35 | jetscreamer | there's another unrar on marillat's |
| 20:26.51 | spx2 | jetscreamer: what is marillat ? |
| 20:26.58 | wAndyw78 | oh p7zip-rar is in the non-free sources |
| 20:26.58 | Braindead | !tell spx2 about marillat |
| 20:27.02 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 20:27.02 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 20:27.08 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 20:27.09 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 20:28.22 | mudge | hello |
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| 20:28.51 | mudge | can i ask a question? |
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| 20:29.05 | wAndyw78 | sure... |
| 20:29.07 | spx2 | mudge: ask NOW ! |
| 20:29.11 | spx2 | :) |
| 20:29.43 | mudge | okay, i recently got a virtual private server from this hosting company: http://tektonic.net/ |
| 20:29.46 | wAndyw78 | spx2: does p7zip-rar work? |
| 20:30.03 | mudge | and Debian 4.0 was preinstalled |
| 20:30.20 | mudge | I ssh to it, and I'm checking it out, |
| 20:30.34 | spx2 | fuck |
| 20:30.41 | wAndyw78 | who? |
| 20:30.41 | spx2 | there's no p7zip-rar in the non-free |
| 20:30.45 | spx2 | nor there is in contrib |
| 20:30.47 | spx2 | fuck fuck fuck |
| 20:30.48 | spx2 | :( |
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| 20:31.02 | coolb_ | how many blocks are 10Mbs? |
| 20:31.05 | coolb_ | anyone know? |
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| 20:31.26 | mudge | okay, it looks like the apt-get package management isn't working at all |
| 20:31.39 | abrotman | is it debian ? |
| 20:31.42 | ^NaTacHa^ | coolb depends on how big your blocks are ;) |
| 20:31.46 | spx2 | fuck apt-get fuck aptitude what the fuck ? where is p7zip |
| 20:31.51 | Braindead | mudge: ask the hosting company? maybe it's broken on purpose |
| 20:31.55 | coolb_ | ^NaTacHa^, huh? |
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| 20:32.04 | jetscreamer | try apt-cache search |
| 20:32.07 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 20:32.07 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 20:32.21 | abrotman | coolb_: are you sure it's debian ? |
| 20:32.24 | abrotman | erm .. mudge |
| 20:32.25 | mudge | spx2: when I go into aptitude, it shows obsolete and local packages, and virtual packages |
| 20:32.28 | jetscreamer | it isn't working due to pebkac... we apologize |
| 20:32.38 | jetscreamer | fix your sources spx2 |
| 20:32.46 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:32.49 | coolb_ | yes |
| 20:32.51 | wAndyw78 | spx2: it's in the non-free packages. Add non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update |
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| 20:33.02 | spx2 | wAndyw78: i added already |
| 20:33.06 | coolb_ | ^NaTacHa^, huh? |
| 20:33.06 | spx2 | wAndyw78: already did update |
| 20:33.07 | mudge | i checked for /etc/apt/sources.list and it doesn't exist on my system |
| 20:33.14 | spx2 | mudge: Looolz |
| 20:33.19 | abrotman | mudge: cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 20:33.19 | jetscreamer | mudge: but it 'must' |
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| 20:33.30 | wAndyw78 | spx2: lenny or etch? |
| 20:33.34 | Miles_Prower | He could not have 'apt' added. XD |
| 20:33.35 | spx2 | wAndyw78: ethc |
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| 20:33.39 | spx2 | wAndyw78: etch |
| 20:34.03 | omg0 | is etch the latest? |
| 20:34.04 | coolb_ | how many blocks are 10Mbs? |
| 20:34.08 | mudge | jetscreamer: 4.0 |
| 20:34.09 | abrotman | omg0: latest stable |
| 20:34.15 | abrotman | mudge: is dpkg there ? |
| 20:34.16 | Braindead | coolb_: how many blocs of WHAT? chocolate |
| 20:34.18 | spx2 | goddamn shit |
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| 20:34.30 | abrotman | mudge: cat /proc/version |
| 20:34.30 | spx2 | where the fuck is p7zip-rar ?!?!?! wHat the fuck ??!?! |
| 20:34.38 | zk | hey...anyone can answer a basic question about Voip / QOS ? |
| 20:34.42 | wAndyw78 | spx2: calm down, it's in testing |
| 20:34.43 | mudge | yes, dpkg is there |
| 20:34.47 | abrotman | mudge: cat /proc/version |
| 20:34.48 | Braindead | spx2: we all know you are in dire need of all the pr0n stored in those rars. calm down |
| 20:34.59 | spx2 | Braindead: its some music |
| 20:35.02 | Braindead | spx2: get unrar-nonfree from the links we kindly provided |
| 20:35.03 | coolb_ | Braindead, with hard disks |
| 20:35.07 | mudge | all packages are designated as "obsolete or locally created" |
| 20:35.18 | abrotman | mudge: /proc/version ? |
| 20:35.31 | omg0 | !upgrade sarge to etch |
| 20:35.37 | mudge | Linux version 2.6.9-023stab044.4-smp (root@rhel4-64) (gcc version 3.4.5 20051201 (Red Hat 3.4.5-2)) #1 SMP Thu May 24 17:20:37 MSD 2007 |
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| 20:35.44 | abrotman | mudge: that's not debian |
| 20:35.54 | Braindead | mudge: http://tektonic.net/support.html could you at least ask them? you payed for the service, you payed for the support too. |
| 20:35.55 | abrotman | not even close |
| 20:36.06 | mudge | it is a virtual private server running Debian on Red Hat |
| 20:36.11 | omg0 | !dpkg etch |
| 20:36.16 | abrotman | omg0: what are you looking for? |
| 20:36.20 | abrotman | msg the fucking bot |
| 20:36.25 | omg0 | how to upgrade to etch |
| 20:36.27 | Braindead | !tell spx2 about debian-multimedia.etch |
| 20:36.28 | mudge | i'm on an unmanged server, not paying for support |
| 20:36.31 | \amethyst | mudge: what does /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 20:36.36 | jetscreamer | mudge: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list , as root, and add these 3 lines: deb http://debian-multimedia.org lenny main deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 20:36.43 | jetscreamer | the debian-multimedia is optional |
| 20:36.45 | mudge | amethyst: there is no /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:36.48 | abrotman | jetscreamer: why would mudge do that ? |
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| 20:37.07 | abrotman | mudge: rpm --version |
| 20:37.08 | jetscreamer | abrotman: because he said there was no /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:37.18 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he needs multimedia on his server ? |
| 20:37.21 | wAndyw78 | jetscreamer: he has no /etc/apt/sources.list, he is running RedHat |
| 20:37.23 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he needs lenny ? |
| 20:37.28 | jetscreamer | the debian-multimedia is optional |
| 20:37.32 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 20:37.38 | mudge | abrotman -- rpm command not found |
| 20:37.40 | jetscreamer | apt-get works on suse |
| 20:37.41 | Klaps | !info ftp client |
| 20:37.42 | abrotman | mudge: ignore jetscreamer |
| 20:37.54 | coolb_ | no one knows |
| 20:38.03 | abrotman | mudge: do you have /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 20:38.13 | mudge | yes |
| 20:38.13 | jetscreamer | mudge: nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list , as root, and add these 3 lines: deb http://debian-multimedia.org etch main deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 20:38.19 | mudge | abrotman, i do |
| 20:38.21 | Klaps | !info ftpclient |
| 20:38.23 | jetscreamer | the debian-multimedia is optional |
| 20:38.25 | abrotman | mudge: dpkg --version |
| 20:38.25 | Braindead | http://tektonic.net/unmanaged.html "Don't need support? Don't pay for it!" I guess it roughly translates to "bother people on IRC if you've got problems with the b0rk3d installation we kindly provide you" |
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| 20:38.53 | mudge | abrotman: Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.13.25 (i386) |
| 20:38.59 | plugwash | is gdb not working on lenny a known issue? |
| 20:39.18 | abrotman | so you have a half-assed debian install on a RH kernel ? |
| 20:39.20 | Klaps | i need a ftp client for kde with gui |
| 20:39.28 | abrotman | use a web browser |
| 20:39.29 | wAndyw78 | plugwash: I'm sure gsb works with testing... |
| 20:39.34 | jetscreamer | Klaps: try filezilla |
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| 20:39.42 | mudge | abrotman: Yea |
| 20:39.46 | \amethyst | abrotman: sounds like a debian chroot |
| 20:39.48 | Braindead | mmmm I'm feeling a kind of a deja vu... |
| 20:39.57 | abrotman | \amethyst: still useless :) |
| 20:40.11 | jetscreamer | Braindead: yeah i decided not to give a choice this time |
| 20:40.17 | geo-rge | Braindead: so... you've been here before?! |
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| 20:40.23 | Braindead | spx2: do you suffer from Tourette's? |
| 20:40.24 | abrotman | jim! |
| 20:40.34 | jetscreamer | he's dead jim |
| 20:40.44 | plugwash | This GDB was configured as "x86_64-linux-gnu"...BFD: /home/plugwash/purple-sendserver/purple-sendserver: don't know how to handle OS specific section `.gnu.hash' [0x6ffffff6] |
| 20:40.44 | plugwash | "/home/plugwash/purple-sendserver/purple-sendserver": not in executable format: File format not recognized |
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| 20:41.00 | geo-rge | you didn't do that yesterday :P |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | i know .. |
| 20:41.15 | spx2 | unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar) |
| 20:41.15 | plugwash | thats the error I get when I try to debug a binary I have just built on my debian system |
| 20:41.16 | abrotman | i thought i'd give you a free pass :) |
| 20:41.18 | plugwash | any ideas? |
| 20:41.20 | spx2 | what the fuck is this ? |
| 20:41.28 | Braindead | !tell spx2 about debian-multimedia.etch |
| 20:41.40 | Braindead | spx2: READ what the bot said ya. then install unrar-nonfree from there |
| 20:41.52 | abrotman | or stop pirating stuff |
| 20:41.55 | \amethyst | plugwash: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=425838 |
| 20:42.12 | geo-rge | heyyy, there's an idea! |
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| 20:42.23 | jetscreamer | arrrzgh |
| 20:42.28 | mudge | you know when you go into the interface in aptitude, there are several different options of packages, there's "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" and "Installed Packages" etc? Well on my system all installed packages are in "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" and that's where all my installed packages are |
| 20:42.30 | \amethyst | plugwash: gdb in testing is incompatible with binutils from testing on amd64, get the gdb from unstable |
| 20:42.44 | abrotman | mudge: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:42.48 | mudge | that doesn't seem right to me, what do you think? |
| 20:43.01 | abrotman | mudge: i think your install is pretty bad .. but that's just me |
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| 20:43.07 | \amethyst | mudge: are there any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 20:43.11 | Braindead | mudge: of course. it's what w're trying to say you. it's a broken debian etch chroot, you're missing /etc/apt/sources.list and who knows whatever else |
| 20:43.14 | jetscreamer | mudge: because your sources.list is borked |
| 20:43.21 | mudge | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:43.35 | \amethyst | mudge: files are "obsolete and locally created" if it can't find them in any of the apt sources it knows about |
| 20:43.36 | mudge | \amethyst: no the directory is empty |
| 20:43.37 | abrotman | looks right .. but useless :) |
| 20:43.38 | jetscreamer | apt-get for rpm doesn't come with sources |
| 20:43.54 | undesktop | how do I change group membership _without_ logging in again? i.e. when I add a user to a group, I have to relogin this user so that the new group would show up in the "groups" command |
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| 20:44.08 | Braindead | undesktop: relogin is pretty much mandatory |
| 20:44.11 | \amethyst | mudge: so write yourself a sources.list and do apt-get update |
| 20:44.20 | plugwash | \amethyst: thanks |
| 20:44.29 | abrotman | !tell mudge about sources.list |
| 20:44.33 | undesktop | Braindead: but totally impractical here; isn't there another way? |
| 20:44.39 | mudge | well there is an example source.list in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples |
| 20:44.44 | Braindead | undesktop: afraid not. |
| 20:44.46 | mudge | maybe I should just try to use that? |
| 20:45.02 | jetscreamer | mudge: you could cut & paste what i typed |
| 20:45.03 | Braindead | mudge: yep |
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| 20:45.29 | undesktop | Braindead: where can I find explanations what lowlevel/kernel mechanism is behind setting group memberships so I could investigate this problem? |
| 20:45.55 | Braindead | it's not kernel, of course. "groups" are granted at login, that's it |
| 20:46.19 | user01 | what should i format an external hard drive . . . fat32? |
| 20:46.22 | \amethyst | undesktop: you can run a new shell with newgrp |
| 20:46.36 | wAndyw78 | user01: also use windows? |
| 20:46.51 | undesktop | Braindead: the kernel needs to know group memberships do know if a user can i.e. open files; I suspect the login program reads /etc/groups and sends these groups to the kernel... |
| 20:46.56 | user01 | wAndyw78: no but if im traveling or something . . . |
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| 20:47.13 | fas3r | nobody use RADIUS EAP-TLS ? i have this error when i want to connect to my server with user laptop : " rlm_eap_tls: No SSL info available. Waiting for more SSL data " if someone have idea ... :( |
| 20:47.13 | \amethyst | undesktop: the issue is, once a process has been started, it keeps the same gid (and uid) unless it does setgid() etc |
| 20:47.18 | user01 | wAndyw78: might have to use one |
| 20:47.25 | wAndyw78 | user01: Then I would prefer fat32. |
| 20:47.33 | mudge | should I put sources.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 20:47.49 | user01 | wAndyw78: i just hate fat32 though i really like xfs |
| 20:47.56 | undesktop | \amethyst: hm... isn't the group id of an process irrelevant?? |
| 20:48.01 | wAndyw78 | user01: There is a ext3 driver for windows, but when you travel, you perhaps can't install this driver there |
| 20:48.02 | spx2 | TEH file header is corrupt |
| 20:48.09 | plugwash | does anyone know how to run a process in gdb and pass it a number as a command line argument? |
| 20:48.15 | user01 | wAndyw78: oh ok |
| 20:48.18 | Braindead | spx2: where did you get rar-2.80? |
| 20:48.25 | abrotman | mudge: just in /etc/apt/ |
| 20:48.28 | user01 | wAndyw78: is there a xfs driver? |
| 20:48.50 | Braindead | spx2: UNRAR-NONFREE |
| 20:48.55 | mudge | abrotman: thanks |
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| 20:49.03 | moshii | user01: no, there is no xfs driver for windows |
| 20:49.32 | jetscreamer | he got it from main |
| 20:50.03 | \amethyst | undesktop: err, also supplemental groups (changed by setgroups, which requires root) |
| 20:50.07 | jetscreamer | spx2: there are two different unrar packages... you have the free, you were told to get the non-free |
| 20:50.07 | user01 | moshii: i could probably just pop in a live cd in suppose |
| 20:50.14 | Braindead | jetscreamer: whoops there's rar 2.80 in marillat. he probably needs 3.x |
| 20:50.32 | Braindead | where the hell did I get mine... |
| 20:50.39 | moshii | user01: or just keep a fat32 partition around if you have to work with windows |
| 20:50.41 | undesktop | \amethyst: ah right, that's the syscall which login (I suspect) calls |
| 20:50.48 | Braindead | it should be in non-free, ffs |
| 20:50.52 | moshii | user01: or put stuff on cd/dvd |
| 20:51.15 | Braindead | spx2: you're not funny, BTW |
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| 20:51.24 | jetscreamer | why the frak does apt-cache search unrar return comix - GTK Comic Book Viewer |
| 20:51.28 | spx2 | unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar) |
| 20:51.28 | undesktop | \amethyst: so, but if I log in the same user again, why isn't the group membership list updated for all other already running shells of the same users? |
| 20:51.31 | spx2 | unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by unrar) |
| 20:52.01 | \amethyst | undesktop: because you can't update a running process's group list other than by that process calling setgroups |
| 20:52.09 | wAndyw78 | user01: http://www.fs-driver.org/ ? |
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| 20:52.19 | \amethyst | undesktop: new programs aren't affected because the groups list is inherited from parent processes |
| 20:52.22 | mudge | i'm kind of confused by which package manager to use, I like using my package manager on the command line, should I use apt or aptitude? |
| 20:52.23 | jetscreamer | it's unrar vs unrar-free btw, for the package names |
| 20:52.25 | moshii | spx2: you've poisoned your system with non-free software??? tsk tsk |
| 20:52.29 | Braindead | whoops unrar-nonfree has gone out from non-free debian mirrors |
| 20:52.31 | jetscreamer | aptitude, mudge |
| 20:52.36 | Braindead | mudge: you should be using aptitude |
| 20:52.46 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 20:52.46 | dpkg | well, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 20:52.50 | undesktop | \amethyst: oh... I see; then how can I at least make a running shell to update the group list? I know this somehow requires root access too |
| 20:52.51 | mudge | thanks, jetscreamer, um, why use aptitude? |
| 20:52.56 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 20:53.18 | moshii | mudge: becuase aptitude is "smart" in most cases |
| 20:53.20 | \amethyst | undesktop: you can't... what you can do is start a new shell with newgrp |
| 20:53.54 | moshii | sometimes it does decide to purge half your system though ;) |
| 20:54.07 | Braindead | don't confuse him... |
| 20:54.08 | mudge | thanks, oh putting that sources.list file there, did stuff |
| 20:54.14 | jetscreamer | wow |
| 20:54.22 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 20:54.22 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in debian (possibly in contrib or non-free) To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 20:54.35 | mudge | the aptitude graphical interface is showing some sensible information |
| 20:54.37 | jetscreamer | /ignore abrotman |
| 20:54.46 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 20:54.59 | mudge | moshii: thanks |
| 20:55.09 | undesktop | \amethyst: simply invoking "newgrp" obviously does start a new shell, but doesn't update the group list, and there's nothing helpful in the manpage |
| 20:55.30 | \amethyst | undesktop: try newgrp - |
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| 20:55.58 | ErichK | Hey all |
| 20:56.45 | undesktop | \amethyst: doesn't work either... "groups" still spits out a smaller group lists than when I login on the Linux console and call groups from there |
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| 20:57.09 | Braindead | undesktop: what's the real problem that prevents you from relogging? |
| 20:57.12 | user01 | moshii: this looks like the thing you showed my yesterday only it has usb 2.0 http://cgi.ebay.com/3-5-USB-2-0-NAS-LAN-External-HARD-DRIVE-ENCLOSURE-CASE_W0QQitemZ150154881257QQihZ005QQcategoryZ3757QQcmdZViewItem |
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| 20:57.49 | moshii | user01: I'd go for fibrechannel myself |
| 20:58.01 | \amethyst | undesktop: su - `id -un` should work then :) |
| 20:58.08 | undesktop | Braindead: there's no problem with that... but I don't want to relogin my X session and I don't manage to create a xterm with a "new logged in" shell in it |
| 20:58.24 | \amethyst | undesktop: since that basically does a new login |
| 20:58.44 | ErichK | I recently upgraded to kernel 2.6.18-5-k7 from 2.6.18-4-k7 and now automatix2 doesn't identify debian, anyone else have this problem? |
| 20:58.50 | Braindead | ah for the record http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/unrar it's just "unrar" now, it's in non-free but it changed name |
| 20:58.53 | jetscreamer | heh... do you have an un-group? |
| 20:59.04 | undesktop | \amethyst: works, ty |
| 20:59.05 | wAndyw78 | ErichK, don't use automatx... |
| 20:59.06 | jetscreamer | or a user named 7-up the uncola ? |
| 20:59.10 | undesktop | didn't got the su-idea... |
| 20:59.11 | moshii | Braindead: is unrar non-free? |
| 20:59.31 | ErichK | Why not? |
| 20:59.35 | jetscreamer | unrar is, unrar-free isn't... at least in lenny/testing |
| 20:59.36 | omg0 | is there a command to see my system specs? Like if I wanted to see what processor is on a machine |
| 20:59.41 | Braindead | moshii: it is. it used to be called "unrar-nonfree" though to point the difference from the old free version |
| 20:59.47 | moshii | Braindead: I thought unrar at least was free... hence it doesn't work with some rars created by newer versions of rar |
| 21:00.15 | Braindead | moshii: rar 3 is strictly closed source |
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| 21:00.21 | \amethyst | "unrar" is the non-free version, "unrar-free" the free version |
| 21:00.28 | Braindead | yep |
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| 21:01.09 | jetscreamer | the names have been changed to protect the guilty |
| 21:01.18 | Braindead | ahaha |
| 21:02.15 | Braindead | I feel better now |
| 21:02.37 | D3B14N | !upgrade-system |
| 21:02.48 | jetscreamer | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:02.57 | jetscreamer | aptitude update first |
| 21:03.01 | mudge | hey all my problems seem to be solved after putting that source.list file there, must be an important file |
| 21:03.10 | Braindead | mmmmmm .... yup |
| 21:03.17 | \amethyst | mudge: that tells it where to find the debian packages online :) |
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| 21:03.30 | \amethyst | mudge: it's necessary for proper operation of apt :) |
| 21:03.32 | D3B14N | hmm |
| 21:03.33 | user01 | moshii: i bet the adapters for fibrechannel are expensive though |
| 21:03.34 | jetscreamer | mudge: never listen to me then |
| 21:03.40 | jetscreamer | do as abrotman said |
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| 21:04.19 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 21:04.27 | jetscreamer | !fr |
| 21:04.27 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:04.29 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 21:04.59 | Braindead | TrueDD: le porc de ton dieu |
| 21:05.10 | Braindead | whoops, wrong chan |
| 21:05.23 | jetscreamer | godpork? |
| 21:05.48 | Braindead | that's what we say here in Italy. a kind of blasphemy common to all latin countries |
| 21:05.52 | mudge | hey, what does this mean: |
| 21:05.56 | mudge | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 21:06.00 | mudge | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.00 | mudge | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.00 | mudge | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.00 | mudge | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.00 | mudge | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 21:06.00 | mudge | Starting domain name service...: bind. |
| 21:06.00 | *** kick/#debian [mudge!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 21:06.01 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 21:06.08 | robboplus | is there a tool to convert a text file from dos to unix format? |
| 21:06.11 | Braindead | forget about that, I thought I was.... whoah flood |
| 21:06.13 | abrotman | dos2unix |
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| 21:06.34 | robboplus | abrotman thank you... very logical name in fact :) |
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| 21:06.40 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure console-data mudge |
| 21:06.45 | jetscreamer | after the upgrade |
| 21:06.47 | abrotman | robboplus: the inverse is named .... unix2dos |
| 21:06.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:06.52 | dzs | mudge: apt-get install locales && dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 21:06.53 | robboplus | abrotman lmao |
| 21:06.59 | jetscreamer | !info tofordos |
| 21:07.01 | jetscreamer | err |
| 21:07.03 | mudge | hey, i got kicked out of #debian, did I do something wrong? |
| 21:07.08 | jetscreamer | !info tofrodos |
| 21:07.08 | Braindead | mudge: flood |
| 21:07.08 | abrotman | you flooded |
| 21:07.09 | dzs | oh |
| 21:07.10 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:07.10 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:07.12 | dpkg | tofrodos: (Converts DOS <-> Unix text files, alias tofromdos), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.7.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 21:07.12 | robboplus | abrotman err... it's missing in my etch, is that normal? |
| 21:07.18 | TrueDD | dpkg, thank you, but I dont look for french help here, I know its an english chan, and I know the french chans for debian :) |
| 21:07.18 | dpkg | de rien, TrueDD |
| 21:07.20 | Cripps | if I have my wacom tablet (graphire4) set up properly, and "wacdump /dev/input/event3" catches all the events properly, and my xorg.conf is configured the suggested way from the wacom linux project, is there any reason why using the mouse that comes with my tablet doesn't work? |
| 21:07.23 | abrotman | robboplus: see the tofrodos package above |
| 21:07.24 | Braindead | ok. kinda tired. bye |
| 21:07.34 | dzs | dpkg: teach me clue |
| 21:07.36 | abrotman | TrueDD: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:07.38 | robboplus | abrotman hm thank you, checking |
| 21:08.12 | dzs | dpkg: tell abrotman about free beer |
| 21:08.13 | robboplus | and thank you jetscreamer |
| 21:08.15 | dzs | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'free beer'. |
| 21:08.17 | dzs | :-( |
| 21:08.28 | Cripps | !flame dzs |
| 21:08.34 | azeem | dzs: please /msg the bot |
| 21:08.45 | TrueDD | thank you abrotman, i've just understand when he answered to me so quickly |
| 21:08.47 | dzs | azeem: and what do i tell it to get beer? :P |
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| 21:08.54 | TrueDD | understood ? |
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| 21:09.17 | abrotman | TrueDD: yes .. understood |
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| 21:09.23 | TrueDD | sorry, my english is very limited |
| 21:09.32 | TrueDD | thank you abrotman :) |
| 21:09.36 | abrotman | it's better than jetscreamer's! |
| 21:09.45 | TrueDD | lol |
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| 21:10.27 | robboplus | dos2unix --help |
| 21:10.27 | robboplus | dos2unix: invalid option -- - |
| 21:10.31 | robboplus | why so cumbersome :( |
| 21:10.38 | dzs | haha @ Ubuntu Weekly News |
| 21:10.46 | jetscreamer | try -h |
| 21:10.49 | jetscreamer | or -? |
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| 21:10.53 | dzs | whats up with the Debian Weekly News btw? |
| 21:10.53 | robboplus | jetscreamer thank you |
| 21:11.06 | jetscreamer | then there's always the manpage |
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| 21:11.14 | dzs | we neet volunteers! |
| 21:11.17 | robboplus | oh yes... but still i believe adding --help would be great, just my 3 cents |
| 21:11.24 | dzs | s/neet/need/ |
| 21:11.25 | robboplus | i freaked out :) |
| 21:11.35 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 21:11.35 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:11.39 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 21:11.45 | jetscreamer | !reportbug |
| 21:11.46 | dpkg | reportbug is, like, used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 21:12.10 | Miles_Prower | Q: what if reportbug.. has a bug, so you can't use it? XD |
| 21:12.15 | Miles_Prower | Hahaha |
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| 21:12.32 | jetscreamer | don't |
| 21:12.39 | the-me | then use bugs.debian.org ;) |
| 21:12.44 | gares | what's a jetscreamer |
| 21:12.57 | chops | So I had some packages installed from backports on my sarge system. I unheld them using dselect, and then upgraded to etch. I still have the backported versions, though... they won't upgrade ("udev is already the latest version"). |
| 21:13.05 | chops | See http://paste.debian.net/35468 for some details |
| 21:13.09 | mudge | oh doing an aptitude upgrade, it worked really well except I got this error: /dev/mem Permission Denied |
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| 21:13.25 | chops | Does anyone know (a) what I did wrong to get in the situation and (b) what the right way is to force these packages to upgrade to the etch versions? |
| 21:13.27 | jetscreamer | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:13.28 | mudge | selecting that locals information handled all the locals errors |
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| 21:13.56 | mudge | jetscreamer, you're saying I should do an aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 21:14.00 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:14.03 | cr3 | I'm trying to test watchdog to make sure my system reboots when it crashes. My test is to simply run the following shell script: foo () { `foo` } foo |
| 21:14.04 | geras | what's a jetscreamer? |
| 21:14.15 | jetscreamer | judy jetson's rockstar boyfriend |
| 21:14.17 | cr3 | the problem is that watchdog never reboots my system and it always just freezes |
| 21:14.26 | mudge | jetscreamer: sounds like fun, I'll give it a try |
| 21:14.31 | geras | poor mudge |
| 21:14.33 | chops | Aha! Found it. I had the individual packges pinned in /etc/apt/preferences. Never mind. |
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| 21:15.50 | chops | I guess it would have been better for me if I had done step 4.2.2 of the upgrade procedure instead of blowing blindly past it assuming that I had nothing pinned :-) |
| 21:15.51 | geras | chopsuey |
| 21:15.54 | mudge | okay, now when I do an upgrade, nothing gets downloaded or anything, so I guess that means everything is upgraded |
| 21:16.04 | jetscreamer | mudge: yep |
| 21:16.08 | geras | poor mudge |
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| 21:16.16 | mudge | geras: why am I poor? |
| 21:16.30 | geras | do you admit you're poor? |
| 21:16.43 | chops | mudge: He's either a bot or he's looking for attention :-/ |
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| 21:16.55 | mudge | geras, no I don't admin I'm poor |
| 21:17.00 | geras | why |
| 21:17.11 | mudge | because I got Debian!!! |
| 21:17.18 | moshii | mudge: if you did admin you'd be rich |
| 21:17.34 | mudge | what the heck is "admin"? |
| 21:17.42 | geras | administration, poor mudge |
| 21:17.43 | geo-rge | administrator |
| 21:17.50 | geras | george lucas |
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| 21:18.01 | geras | luke, I'm your father |
| 21:18.04 | mudge | I am administrator of my system |
| 21:18.08 | mudge | my vps, that is |
| 21:18.12 | geras | poor mudge |
| 21:18.14 | geo-rge | yes that's very true |
| 21:18.19 | moshii | mudge: is it covered in bees? |
| 21:18.23 | omg0 | this upgrade thing seems like its going to take a long time to read and figure it out |
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| 21:18.32 | geras | poor omg0 |
| 21:18.33 | mudge | I'm going to kill that guy, geras |
| 21:18.39 | omg0 | lol |
| 21:18.47 | mudge | moshii, what the heck? |
| 21:18.52 | geras | oh, very aggriessive |
| 21:18.58 | moshii | mudge: is it a honeypot ;) |
| 21:19.20 | geras | moshii: do you like winnie pooh? |
| 21:19.32 | mudge | you guys in Debian are exremely helpful, and weird! |
| 21:19.36 | moshii | geras: only on weekends, the rest of the time he does my nut in |
| 21:19.53 | fas3r | nobody use RADIUS EAP-TLS ? i have this error when i want to connect to my server with user laptop : " rlm_eap_tls: No SSL info available. Waiting for more SSL data " if someone have idea ... :( |
| 21:19.53 | omg0 | everytime I think about upgrading to Windows Vista I end up messing with this Debian stuff |
| 21:20.02 | geras | poor fas3r |
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| 21:20.40 | jetscreamer | well at least fas3r knows how to wait |
| 21:20.55 | moshii | mudge: if you spent all day noisey but well air conditioned rooms you'd be weird too |
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| 21:21.22 | moshii | mudge: s/noisey/noisy |
| 21:21.33 | geo-rge | mudge: got a debian question? go ahead and ask... not rich enough? not my problem... see the movie "The Secret" and ask stuff here if you have questions about debian |
| 21:21.49 | geras | debi ann |
| 21:21.59 | geras | is this your girlfriend? |
| 21:22.01 | jetscreamer | debbie ian |
| 21:22.09 | geo-rge | get some infinite abundance and leave us alone :P |
| 21:22.14 | moshii | geras: I'm glad ian put his girlfriend first |
| 21:22.17 | moshii | iandev |
| 21:22.17 | geras | poor george |
| 21:22.20 | moshii | iandeb |
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| 21:22.32 | mudge | thanks guys, I'm weird enough too |
| 21:22.37 | geras | poor mudge |
| 21:23.11 | geras | what's a mudge? |
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| 21:23.26 | geo-rge | wink wink say no more |
| 21:23.31 | jetscreamer | kinda like a midge but totally different? |
| 21:23.47 | mudge | I always thought of it as |
| 21:23.54 | mudge | fudge except with an M |
| 21:24.08 | moshii | mudge is like a kludge in ole english |
| 21:24.20 | moshii | or maybe it's welsh |
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| 21:24.53 | jetscreamer | &google mudge |
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| 21:25.14 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudge |
| 21:25.37 | jetscreamer | : Mudge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mudge>; Mudge Fasteners: <http://www.mudgefasteners.com/>; The Mudge Boy (2003): <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0339419/>; trevor mudge: <http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~tnm/>; Amazon.com: Henry And Mudge First Book: Books: Cynthia Rylant ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Henry-Mudge-First-Cynthia- |
| 21:25.47 | Cripps | w000! I got my wacom tablet working 100% |
| 21:25.51 | jetscreamer | manymudges |
| 21:25.58 | Cripps | this is uber sweet. |
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| 21:26.41 | fas3r | what jetscreamer ? |
| 21:26.47 | moshii | Cripps: tablet+inkscape :) |
| 21:26.57 | mudge | yea, and don't forget: http://nickmudge.info/ |
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| 21:27.27 | jetscreamer | fas3r: my point was that a lot of ppl ask the same question every 2-3 minutes, and you seem to know how to wait |
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| 21:27.48 | Cripps | moshii, nah, I don't have inkscape *yet* ... I just bought the tablet because it's supposed to be much easier on the wrist than a mouse ... but I may play around with inkscape *soon* ;) |
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| 21:28.12 | moshii | Cripps: mmm if that's the case why not a trackball? |
| 21:28.30 | geras | ty for the infos, very nice |
| 21:28.39 | Cripps | moshii, because you can do more with a tablet ;) |
| 21:29.30 | moshii | Cripps: a usb trackball is a lot easy to get working though ;) |
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| 21:29.54 | Cripps | moshii, yeah, well ... my tablet is working now ... :) |
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| 21:31.54 | fas3r | jetscreamer: it's jsut i have search on google i haven't find solution ... |
| 21:34.00 | jetscreamer | fas3r: yes, and i wish i could help you... hang in there you'll get it |
| 21:34.16 | the_plumber | my wireless card wont work. i installed kernel 2.6.20.6 on debian sarge along with the new pcmcia utils and sysfs. /proc/net/wireless shows the card, iwconfig shows it, but when i try to use it, i get a ADDRCONF error that says the card is not ready.... i can ping the card, the essid shows up correctly, it has signal but just doesnt work. any ideas? |
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| 21:35.03 | abrotman | which wifi card? |
| 21:35.12 | mudge | hey, my first attempted package installation on debian worked |
| 21:35.14 | the_plumber | abrotman: linsys |
| 21:35.18 | mudge | that's a good sign |
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| 21:35.22 | abrotman | chipset |
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| 21:35.31 | the_plumber | uses orinoco_cs |
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| 21:35.44 | geo-rge | mudge: not so impressive... that's worked for years and years |
| 21:35.46 | the_plumber | it worked before just fine |
| 21:36.13 | the_plumber | abrotman: what to do? |
| 21:36.16 | geo-rge | is there something special about your setup? |
| 21:36.22 | mudge | hmm.. aptitude works like fedora's yum |
| 21:36.24 | abrotman | the_plumber: use the kernel that worked |
| 21:36.36 | abrotman | mudge: yum works like aptitude :) |
| 21:36.38 | geo-rge | or are you installing from scratch? |
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| 21:36.40 | mudge | what do you guys think of fedora and fedora's yum package manager? |
| 21:36.54 | jetscreamer | obviously they don't like it |
| 21:36.58 | jetscreamer | or they'd be using it |
| 21:36.58 | mudge | abrotman, yea, you're right, aptitude has been around longer right? |
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| 21:36.59 | geo-rge | I haven't used it |
| 21:37.16 | jetscreamer | yum works |
| 21:37.24 | jetscreamer | apt-get for rpm works too |
| 21:37.31 | the_plumber | abrotman: so, the newer kernels dont support the older wireless cards? |
| 21:37.32 | geo-rge | mudge: the whole technology has been around longer |
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| 21:38.09 | abrotman | the_plumber: i'm sure they do |
| 21:38.32 | jetscreamer | geo-rge: no don't do that, mail them here |
| 21:38.33 | snowbird | how do i know iff ssh is running ? how do i staart ssh? |
| 21:38.44 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/ssh start or so |
| 21:38.46 | abrotman | telnet localhost 22 |
| 21:39.06 | geo-rge | it's from frys, their new stuff usually works, their asus mobos generally work |
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| 21:40.16 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: no! you CAN'T have my new mail server! |
| 21:40.24 | snowbird | thanks |
| 21:40.29 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 21:40.55 | jetscreamer | i bought all my recent stuff from fry's |
| 21:41.13 | omg0 | Can someone look at my sources.list and tell me what I have wrong in there |
| 21:41.14 | foo | Shouldn't root be able to read anything? I'm doing an rsync from one system to the other, as the root user, and it says "permission denied" on a file that is 700. weird |
| 21:41.17 | omg0 | http://pastebin.ca/671693 |
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| 21:41.47 | geo-rge | I did just a little research; I'm hoping the slightly unmatched mobo will fly |
| 21:42.19 | abrotman | omg0: they're not remotely right :) |
| 21:42.20 | geo-rge | foo: who owns the 700 file? |
| 21:42.34 | foo | geo-rge: some user |
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| 21:42.40 | foo | geo-rge: eg. not root |
| 21:42.47 | geo-rge | that would be why... |
| 21:43.14 | geo-rge | root cannot read that due simply to permissions... but root can chown and/or chmod |
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| 21:43.18 | chops | So I have a question which I hesitate even to ask: alien isn't working for me on an RPM (it looks like it doesn't recognize aspects of the package format, and also it's a 32-bit RPM on a 64-bit system). Am I screwed? Should I continue to fight with alien or just try another approach? |
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| 21:43.23 | foo | geo-rge: oh, I see |
| 21:43.26 | foo | geo-rge: ok, thanks |
| 21:43.31 | geo-rge | sure |
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| 21:44.05 | geo-rge | foo: if you get a spare hour or so, experiment with permissions and read info coreutils, the file permissions section too |
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| 21:44.08 | omg0 | abrotman, lol. I'll buy that. whats wrong with the GA tech one |
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| 21:44.19 | abrotman | omg0: the directory isn't right |
| 21:44.24 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 21:44.35 | azeem | w31 |
| 21:44.37 | azeem | bah |
| 21:44.41 | snowbird | how do i update amsn |
| 21:44.45 | foo | geo-rge: ah, ok. I'm familiar with them, somewhat (never too familiar :)) ... I just thought root would be able to read/write anything, regardless of perms... but, I stand corrected :) |
| 21:44.58 | geo-rge | the w3ls in the sky keep on turnin |
| 21:45.16 | abrotman | !geo-rge-- |
| 21:45.23 | geo-rge | oh, that's new journey, sorry |
| 21:45.44 | geo-rge | crap ever since that singer joined |
| 21:46.37 | omg0 | how about this: deb ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/debian/dist/ etch main |
| 21:46.49 | chops | Ah, I see -- converting a 32-bit RPM on a 64-bit system throws all sorts of errors. Generating it on a 32-bit system works a treat. |
| 21:46.50 | jetscreamer | journey always sucked imo |
| 21:46.55 | abrotman | omg0: closer .. not not quite yet |
| 21:47.18 | jetscreamer | quality preformers though |
| 21:47.23 | jetscreamer | per |
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| 21:47.43 | omg0 | abrotman: deb ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/debian/dists/ etch main |
| 21:47.59 | geo-rge | jetscreamer: what was the earliest album you heard? |
| 21:48.19 | abrotman | omg0: nope |
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| 21:48.47 | omg0 | abrotman, ok. Can you shed some light please |
| 21:48.56 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 21:48.58 | geo-rge | quality preformers, yeah, especially steve smith |
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| 21:49.23 | abrotman | deb ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/debian/ etch main |
| 21:49.35 | jetscreamer | geo-rge: i fart dust. i remember when they came out. |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | doesn't mean you heard them all |
| 21:50.01 | mudge | what is: aquota.user in my filesystem? |
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| 21:50.25 | snowbird | abrotman, how do i upgrade single package |
| 21:50.39 | geo-rge | mudge: settings for limiting disk space on a partition on a per-user basis |
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| 21:52.02 | epiclulz | hi |
| 21:52.26 | riot | how is it possible to install a local .deb including all it's dependencies? |
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| 21:53.39 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i *.deb |
| 21:53.58 | jetscreamer | if you have all the .debs |
| 21:54.06 | mudge | george: thanks |
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| 21:54.12 | geo-rge | riot: find its deps, install those using apt-get, then install the local |
| 21:54.29 | geo-rge | (there's not an automatic process for that) |
| 21:54.29 | riot | hmm. its a meta-package containing just dependencies. :( |
| 21:54.46 | riot | its in a repository, but the web-server's not responding to apt-get update :(( |
| 21:55.06 | geo-rge | riot: what is the address of the repo? |
| 21:55.09 | riot | http://www.openembedded.org/dl/packages/ |
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| 21:55.19 | scroogey | hello |
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| 21:55.47 | scroogey | i am trying to install progressql on my debian only its not working |
| 21:55.55 | scroogey | apt-get can't find pgsql |
| 21:56.35 | geo-rge | show the full entry for that address in your sources.list |
| 21:56.35 | riot | !tell scroogey apt-cache |
| 21:56.52 | riot | eeks. i'm too dumb. |
| 21:56.55 | geo-rge | scroogey: apt-get install postgresql |
| 21:57.10 | scroogey | let me try |
| 21:57.15 | geo-rge | riot: no you're not :P just look at the file |
| 21:57.20 | riot | geo-rge: i took it from their website. That is deb http://www.openembedded.org/dl/ packages/ |
| 21:57.21 | scroogey | also got a problem to update ruby to 1.8.6 (got 1.8.5 now) |
| 21:57.30 | pingouin | is there a log of the shutdown, like dmesg for the boot ? |
| 21:57.40 | lekvar | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.40 | riot | geo-rge: ah, i was referring to my erroneous request to dpkg :) |
| 21:57.40 | jetscreamer | !tell scroogey -about search |
| 21:57.41 | geo-rge | ok, let me check |
| 21:58.25 | geo-rge | try this: |
| 21:58.34 | scroogey | i think i screwed up |
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| 21:58.44 | marc7 | this is really offtopic, but can anybody suggest a single reason why i'd want crypto support compiled into my kernel? |
| 21:58.55 | geo-rge | deb http://www.openembedded.org/dl/packages/ / |
| 21:59.06 | omg0 | here is my errors from running aptitude upgrade: http://pastebin.ca/671714 |
| 21:59.22 | omg0 | can some help me clean it up |
| 21:59.47 | marc7 | other than WEP/802* |
| 21:59.50 | DrMitch | any clue why debian lenny doesn't have checkfs startup by default when booting? all my filesystems have been mounted 200+ times without being checked |
| 21:59.56 | abrotman | omg0: your apt-get update works fine |
| 21:59.59 | jetscreamer | omg0: aptitude install xorg |
| 22:00.01 | scroogey | when i execute the command I am getting the following output: http://pastebin.ca/671716 |
| 22:00.06 | abrotman | omg0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:00.18 | abrotman | omg0: and you have to install it first |
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| 22:00.23 | abrotman | omg0: what are you trying to do ? |
| 22:00.31 | \amethyst | riot: still looking for a way to install the dependencies |
| 22:00.37 | abrotman | omg0: comment out the uc.edu source |
| 22:00.57 | jetscreamer | throw it in /var/cache/apt/archives and apt-get install it? |
| 22:00.59 | riot | geo-rge: hmhm, no, doesn't do either.. heck, there's a single apt-get install commandline listed in their wiki.. I'm gonna do that instead. |
| 22:01.02 | abrotman | deb ftp://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/debian/ etch main |
| 22:01.04 | abrotman | omg0: ^^ |
| 22:01.17 | scroogey | why is my debian wanna install a kernel image? sounds way to scary kernel images :/ |
| 22:01.18 | riot | \amethyst: nah, not really ;) |
| 22:01.20 | geo-rge | riot: did you apt-get update? |
| 22:01.25 | tango_ | hello, I'm noticing a very strange thing while trying to do a dist-upgrade on debian unstable: may git companion tools (git-svn, gitweb, etc) depend on git-core 1.5.2.5, but the only git-core available is 1.5.2.4 ... how could that be possible? |
| 22:01.32 | jetscreamer | scroogey: do as you're told! |
| 22:01.32 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 22:01.37 | scroogey | jetscreamer: ? |
| 22:01.46 | jetscreamer | tango_: welcome to sid |
| 22:01.51 | jetscreamer | deal with it |
| 22:01.53 | \amethyst | riot: I just finished the sed to filter the output of dpkg-deb appropriately :) |
| 22:01.54 | geo-rge | or turn to mold! |
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| 22:02.04 | scroogey | but wont it break my server? |
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| 22:02.09 | tango_ | jetscreamer, that's actually normal? packages depending from future version of core packages? :) |
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| 22:02.15 | geo-rge | as yogurt you are sold |
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| 22:02.30 | abrotman | tango_: it's in incoming |
| 22:02.34 | jetscreamer | tango_: in sid yes it happens frequently enought to say semi-normal |
| 22:02.39 | tango_ | wow |
| 22:02.40 | riot | \amethyst: oh! Nice.. there was a line containing all the packages mentioned in that .deb |
| 22:02.46 | tango_ | abrotman, I see |
| 22:02.47 | omg0 | abrotman, well at first I just wanted to upgrade my graphics so I could have full screen but found out I have old sarge so I am trying to upgrade to etch |
| 22:02.55 | abrotman | omg0: fix your sources first |
| 22:02.59 | jetscreamer | tango_: just put it/them/something on hold and wait |
| 22:03.09 | tango_ | jetscreamer, yes thanks |
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| 22:03.33 | riot | I think, i got the install working :> 80 megs hdspace lost.. well.. mokomakefile (building up a complete openmoko dev-environment) will eat another 12 gigs *g* |
| 22:03.36 | omg0 | which comment is used in there files. "//" or "#" |
| 22:03.40 | abrotman | # |
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| 22:04.43 | \amethyst | riot: something like apt-get install $(dpkg-deb -f file.deb Depends Pre-Depends | sed -e 's/\( ([^,]*\)\?\(,\|$\)//g; s/^[^:]*: //') |
| 22:04.44 | tango_ | while we're at it, another thing. I used to automatically install Recommended packages, but this is a little too aggressive, so I want to disable this. now I find that lots of packages, some of which are basic system packages afaics, were marked for automatic installation/removal because of recommendation. is there some way to find the 'least number of packages I need to set to manual so that all of the currently installed package |
| 22:04.44 | tango_ | s remain installed? |
| 22:04.49 | Nexus | By some random freak of nature chance, is anyone here running Debian on an SGI Altix box that could tell me what they do to get it to boot? |
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| 22:05.16 | riot | \amethyst: hmm.. that one sounds handy |
| 22:05.44 | riot | \amethyst: apt-get -f just installed that particular .deb, too ;) |
| 22:05.46 | \amethyst | that picks the first dependency of alternates, and ignores the versions |
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| 22:06.15 | \amethyst | the sed bit, that is |
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| 22:07.40 | \amethyst | riot: acually 's/\( [(|][^,]*\)\?\(,\|$\)//g; s/^[^:]*: //' would be better |
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| 22:10.10 | cloakable | riot: Yeah, I've studies regexp. Doesn't mean it;s hugely legible. |
| 22:10.22 | acemo | i'm trying to install debian lenny from diskette's, but it keeps saying for any mirror i pick, "bad archive mirror" "the specified debian archive mirror is either not available, or does not have a valid Release file on it. Please try a diffrent mirror." |
| 22:10.40 | epiclulz | oh hello |
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| 22:10.56 | geo-rge | acemo: networking up? |
| 22:10.57 | jetscreamer | acemo: that's usually when the version you're trying to install doesn't match what's on the floppies |
| 22:11.14 | jetscreamer | like etch vs etch compared to etch vs lenny |
| 22:11.17 | jetscreamer | or sarge |
| 22:11.18 | epiclulz | man how do you make firefox's fonts look less crappy |
| 22:12.00 | snowbird | i have go in toll bar make it biger i cant see it |
| 22:12.02 | geo-rge | try installing etch base (and nothign else from etch) then reboot into it and upgrade |
| 22:12.26 | geo-rge | epiclulz: clean off your screen... a bird hath shatteth... |
| 22:12.44 | acemo | jetscreamer: i downloaded the floppies from http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/floppy/ |
| 22:13.14 | \amethyst | cloakable: it's more legible in perl form: s/ [(|].*?(,|$)//g; s/^.*?: // |
| 22:13.21 | jetscreamer | acemo: got windows? goodbye-windows.com |
| 22:13.28 | jetscreamer | works great for me |
| 22:13.48 | cloakable | \amethyst: Oh yes. |
| 22:13.55 | \amethyst | oop, that's wrongh |
| 22:14.07 | \amethyst | still needs a ( )? around the space to the first *? |
| 22:14.23 | acemo | jetscreamer: its an old computer that used to run gentoo, but im liking debian better.. havent run windows for over a year already =) |
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| 22:14.44 | Nexus | No SGI users here by chance? |
| 22:14.50 | jetscreamer | acemo: no cdrom eh |
| 22:15.04 | acemo | jetscreamer: a broken cdrom drive :/ |
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| 22:15.32 | jetscreamer | acemo: last time i tried, the daily floppy set was missing one |
| 22:15.42 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 22:15.53 | jetscreamer | you might ask on #debian-boot on oftc |
| 22:15.56 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 22:15.56 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 22:16.39 | jetscreamer | !sarge install |
| 22:16.49 | jetscreamer | !install sarge |
| 22:16.49 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 22:16.58 | jetscreamer | !sarge installer |
| 22:16.58 | dpkg | [sarge installer] http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 22:17.00 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 22:17.07 | geo-rge | what is numa support? |
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| 22:17.19 | jetscreamer | think cray |
| 22:17.22 | jetscreamer | !numa |
| 22:17.23 | dpkg | numa is, like, better then SMP any day!, or non-uniform memory access - distributed memory |
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| 22:17.56 | acemo | wasnt smp the dual core support stuff? |
| 22:18.01 | geo-rge | would I have this if I have a amd64x2? |
| 22:18.05 | moshii | quad core systems are still smp right? |
| 22:18.12 | jetscreamer | smp is smp |
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| 22:18.16 | jetscreamer | and works on dual cores |
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| 22:18.25 | adv3cate | when using deborphan with --find-config how are the persisting config files identified? |
| 22:18.30 | Hammar | smp = shared memory p.... |
| 22:18.30 | Nexus | I've got NUMA on these dang SGI boxes, but I can't get the thing to install debian... |
| 22:18.35 | DrMitch | when I boot, its tells: "maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended" what init script do I put in /etc/rc2.d to have it check the filesystem before mounting once the max mounts have been met?? |
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| 22:18.40 | Klaps | hello is there anytool to execute .exe files in kde/debian |
| 22:18.47 | Spiritus55 | wine? |
| 22:18.52 | Spiritus55 | Klaps: wine |
| 22:18.58 | moshii | Hammar: multiple processors in the same memory space.. a waste of time |
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| 22:19.02 | jetscreamer | adv3cate: try apt-get autoremove |
| 22:19.11 | adv3cate | jetscreamer: did that |
| 22:19.13 | Klaps | Spiritus55? |
| 22:19.19 | Klaps | what is wine? |
| 22:19.19 | Spiritus55 | Klaps: yes? |
| 22:19.26 | geo-rge | Klaps: and having said that... most of the time you can get good replacements for any .exe |
| 22:19.27 | jetscreamer | this stuff you drink |
| 22:19.27 | Spiritus55 | It's "windows emulator" |
| 22:19.39 | jetscreamer | WINe |
| 22:19.43 | Spiritus55 | And you could have googled that. |
| 22:19.47 | Klaps | where can i get it`? |
| 22:19.51 | Spiritus55 | google. |
| 22:19.53 | Guerin | WINE Is Not an Emulator |
| 22:19.54 | Hammar | moshii: i wouldnt be able to tell... i am no computer scientist |
| 22:19.55 | acemo | Spiritus55: WINE Is Not an Emulator |
| 22:19.55 | Guerin | get it right |
| 22:19.56 | Spiritus55 | And if you are running debian. |
| 22:20.07 | Spiritus55 | apt-get install wine |
| 22:20.11 | Spiritus55 | Acemo, then what is it? |
| 22:20.18 | Guerin | Spiritus55: a reimplementation |
| 22:20.20 | acemo | Spiritus55: WINE is a linux implementation of the win32 api |
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| 22:20.27 | Spiritus55 | My bad. |
| 22:20.39 | geo-rge | By mad. |
| 22:20.43 | Guerin | nowhere near as useful as the stuff you drink, either |
| 22:20.45 | Spiritus55 | But, it basically is an emulator. |
| 22:20.47 | moshii | acemo: a linux implementation? |
| 22:20.53 | dmagri | boa tarde, gostaria de saber como compartilha minha internet alguem sabe? |
| 22:20.53 | k-man | is there some tool I can use that will email me if a particular package gets a new version released? |
| 22:20.58 | Guerin | Spiritus55: no, it most explicitly is NOT anything AT ALL like an emulator. |
| 22:20.59 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 22:20.59 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 22:21.01 | acemo | moshii: a unix implementation* |
| 22:21.05 | Spiritus55 | Oh, ok. |
| 22:21.06 | jetscreamer | !it |
| 22:21.07 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 22:21.21 | moshii | que? |
| 22:21.23 | Spiritus55 | !it |
| 22:21.24 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 22:21.57 | Guerin | k-man: what branch of debian are you using? |
| 22:21.57 | epiclulz | you know what's great about debian? i installed it from floppies+network and it worked out of the box as far as windows shared folders go. yep, i could access all my porn remotely again... and video+sound worked! |
| 22:22.17 | geo-rge | k-man: I think you can subscribe to package changes on alioth.debian.org |
| 22:22.19 | k-man | Guerin, testing.. however the packages in question are on debian-multimedia |
| 22:22.26 | moshii | epiclulz: I'm sure you can do that with other oses.. |
| 22:22.31 | Guerin | epiclulz: truly, we are honoured to be of service to your wanking needs |
| 22:22.32 | geo-rge | if they are actually in debian :P |
| 22:22.41 | epiclulz | i've tried but it didn't work out of the box |
| 22:22.53 | geo-rge | put it in the box! |
| 22:23.08 | moshii | epiclulz: you can get debian in a box? |
| 22:23.09 | Guerin | k-man: you can trivially write a one-liner which updates, searches for a new version and emails you if so. |
| 22:23.24 | Guerin | moshii: only a virtual box |
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| 22:23.31 | k-man | ok |
| 22:23.31 | k-man | thanks |
| 22:23.39 | k-man | just thought there might be something already |
| 22:23.44 | Guerin | there might be |
| 22:23.50 | Klaps | thanks for the information Spiritus55 :) |
| 22:23.53 | Klaps | works fine |
| 22:24.05 | Spiritus55 | Yeah, you're welcome. |
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| 22:24.12 | Spiritus55 | !wine |
| 22:24.13 | dpkg | i heard wine is packaged in the wine package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 22:24.27 | Klaps | it works fine anyway |
| 22:24.34 | Klaps | :) |
| 22:24.50 | Klaps | maybe not for big apps like dreamweaver |
| 22:24.55 | moshii | Guerin: one of the uk linux mags did a nice "packaged" version of woody.. closest I've seen to a boxed debian :) |
| 22:25.10 | Guerin | if you want to use dreamweaver you have bigger problems anyway. |
| 22:25.19 | Klaps | yea |
| 22:25.24 | Guerin | moshii: yeh ... i bet it wasn't plain old woody, though |
| 22:25.35 | Guerin | they normally put a bunch of broken whiz-bang on them |
| 22:25.55 | moshii | Guerin: one dvd of woody and then one of backports iirc |
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| 22:26.14 | ttuttle | Hey. |
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| 22:26.32 | abrotman | ack .. gentoo contributor alert! |
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| 22:27.36 | Guerin | moshii: noo! not the fathers! |
| 22:27.37 | moshii | *feathers |
| 22:27.38 | ttuttle | Sorry. |
| 22:27.39 | moshii | haha |
| 22:27.45 | Guerin | moshii: tar --fathers ttuttle |
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| 22:27.57 | ttuttle | I'm considering switching to Debian. |
| 22:28.02 | ttuttle | I'm tired of Gentoo for the moment. |
| 22:28.06 | moshii | Guerin: A year abroad has totally killed my English |
| 22:28.24 | Guerin | ttuttle: don't bother considering it, just run both at the same time and see what you like |
| 22:28.29 | DrMitch | hell yea, f compiling everything from source. i NEVER saw a speed improvement anyway |
| 22:28.33 | jetscreamer | consider dual booting then ttuttle ... or perhaps 6 different os's and try them all |
| 22:28.43 | abrotman | ttuttle: anyways .. what's your question ? |
| 22:28.46 | ttuttle | Guerin, jetscreamer: I'd rather just pick something good and use it. |
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| 22:28.51 | moshii | or just switch and be done with it? |
| 22:28.58 | jetscreamer | ttuttle: then install debian |
| 22:29.01 | ttuttle | abrotman: I'm just curious, are most Linux packages available for Debian? I'm playing a game called Warsow right now. |
| 22:29.06 | snowbird | moshii, wereyyou went too? |
| 22:29.09 | abrotman | !info warsow |
| 22:29.10 | dpkg | warsow: (A comic-style fast-paced 3D ego-shooter), section contrib/games, is optional. Version: 0.31.dfsg-6 (sid), Packaged size: 815 kB, Installed size: 2268 kB |
| 22:29.13 | ttuttle | abrotman: It keeps hanging on Gentoo, and I'm convinced it will work on a better distro. |
| 22:29.16 | moshii | ttuttle: packages.debian.org |
| 22:29.18 | abrotman | not likely to be in stable |
| 22:29.24 | abrotman | !tell ttuttle about search |
| 22:29.27 | ttuttle | abrotman: Why? Would it work? |
| 22:29.39 | Guerin | ttuttle: fair enough. Debian will require you to relinquish a lot of control, and probably give you a great deal of free time. This can be disconcerting, and in extreme cases can lead to outrageous behaviour like going to pubs and meeting girls ... |
| 22:29.41 | ttuttle | 6Oh, and how is 64-bit support? |
| 22:29.47 | ttuttle | Guerin: Girls?! |
| 22:29.59 | moshii | snowbird: where you went to? That's very southwest England.. |
| 22:30.01 | abrotman | ttuttle: i believe warsow depends on libc2.5 or someting awful |
| 22:30.11 | Guerin | these are things you can do when not spending a saturday night hand-holding broken build scripts through kde |
| 22:30.18 | Guerin | ttuttle: i know, shocking eh? |
| 22:30.20 | ttuttle | Er, what's wrong with 2.5? |
| 22:30.23 | ttuttle | Guerin: Yeah ;-) |
| 22:30.26 | moshii | ttuttle: x86 "64bit" support is just fine |
| 22:30.31 | Guerin | truly debian is a tool of the devil |
| 22:30.33 | ttuttle | moshii: What do you mean? |
| 22:30.43 | jsubl2 | ttuttle: I run a 32bit chroot to use for firefox and plugins. takes 1 - 2 hours to setup |
| 22:30.45 | abrotman | ttuttle: just that it's silly for a game to require it .. but whatever |
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| 22:30.52 | ttuttle | abrotman: Is it available? |
| 22:30.59 | abrotman | warsow is also in lenny .. just not etch |
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| 22:31.07 | ttuttle | What's lenny? Unstable distro? |
| 22:31.14 | moshii | ttuttle: Debian runs fine on a bunch of 64bit hardware and has done for a while |
| 22:31.15 | Guerin | testing |
| 22:31.16 | geo-rge | no testing |
| 22:31.19 | ttuttle | Ah. |
| 22:31.25 | snowbird | cool ove r here i canada called uk |
| 22:31.27 | geo-rge | lenny is now testing, etch stable |
| 22:31.44 | ttuttle | So... please don't flame me... what makes Ubuntu better than Debian? I assume Debian is simply more flexible and less preconfigured? |
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| 22:31.50 | geo-rge | !any ideas |
| 22:31.50 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 22:31.54 | ttuttle | Er? |
| 22:31.56 | abrotman | ttuttle: you'd have to ask #ubuntu .. we use debian :) |
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| 22:32.26 | ttuttle | Are there any downsides I should know of, compared to Gentoo? |
| 22:32.33 | geo-rge | so what form does this numa support take? |
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| 22:32.37 | ttuttle | Oh, how long does it take to install? |
| 22:32.47 | moshii | ttuttle: There are less fanboys to hang around with :( |
| 22:32.52 | ttuttle | Oh, that's fine. |
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| 22:32.57 | abrotman | ttuttle: the base install can take as little as 15 minutes |
| 22:33.04 | abrotman | ttuttle: depends on machine speed obviously |
| 22:33.05 | jetscreamer | 30 minutes not counting additional package installation |
| 22:33.12 | ttuttle | abrotman: 2.0 GHz dual core. |
| 22:33.12 | jetscreamer | +/- |
| 22:33.16 | jetscreamer | 20 minutes |
| 22:33.19 | ttuttle | Oh, what about Beryl and that sort of junk? Will it work? |
| 22:33.24 | abrotman | ttuttle: your first time .. 30 minutes |
| 22:33.28 | abrotman | no beryl .. just compiz |
| 22:33.30 | ttuttle | Okay. |
| 22:33.31 | geo-rge | beryl is dead project |
| 22:33.33 | Pc_Dark | If you install your vcard, ttuttle |
| 22:33.34 | abrotman | beryl is dead anyways |
| 22:33.39 | bonez41 | is it possible to extract data from a HDD out of a laptop, i.e., possible to find hookups, cabling that I could plug into USB or otherwise? My wife's laptop died, and she didn't get the data off her laptop's HDD... |
| 22:33.40 | jetscreamer | know thy nvidia or ati though |
| 22:33.43 | Pc_Dark | I installed beryl on debian before..? |
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| 22:33.48 | ttuttle | Intel. |
| 22:33.48 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: it's still a dead project |
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| 22:33.53 | abrotman | ttuttle: yes .. it works |
| 22:34.06 | moshii | compiz and beryl made friends again? |
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| 22:34.08 | Pc_Dark | Compiz Fusion will beo ut soon. |
| 22:34.10 | abrotman | moshii: yes |
| 22:34.10 | ttuttle | Oh, is it fast? |
| 22:34.11 | Pc_Dark | out* |
| 22:34.15 | abrotman | Pc_Dark: already had a release |
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| 22:34.18 | ttuttle | I mean, relatively. |
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| 22:34.20 | Pc_Dark | Ah, really? |
| 22:34.23 | ttuttle | Like are the init script efficient and such? |
| 22:34.30 | abrotman | ttuttle: dunno .. i played with it for about 10 minutes .. but it worked :) |
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| 22:34.45 | Guerin | ttuttle: the whole point of debian is to make lazy admins lazier |
| 22:34.50 | ttuttle | Guerin: How? |
| 22:35.01 | Guerin | ttuttle: once you know how to read doc, you set the thing up and it looks after itself |
| 22:35.03 | ttuttle | Okay, I've got a university internet connection. What's the best install media? |
| 22:35.05 | ttuttle | Guerin: Cool. |
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| 22:35.11 | abrotman | ttuttle: netinst |
| 22:35.14 | abrotman | !d-i ttuttle |
| 22:35.14 | dpkg | ttuttle, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:35.15 | Guerin | ttuttle: you don't have to hand-hold and tweak shit constantly - it just works |
| 22:35.15 | jetscreamer | businesscard |
| 22:35.19 | ttuttle | Oh, any pros/cons compared to Fedora or RedHat? |
| 22:35.27 | Guerin | that's why we have so much time to talk shit on irc |
| 22:35.28 | moshii | *the |
| 22:35.47 | ttuttle | Yeah, the shirts are cooler than Gentoo's. |
| 22:35.47 | abrotman | ttuttle: they're fedora/redhat .. debian isn't |
| 22:35.53 | Guerin | ttuttle: fedora/redhat have broken and crap repositories and don't really do in-place upgrades |
| 22:35.57 | ttuttle | Okay. |
| 22:35.59 | ttuttle | Fair enough. |
| 22:36.14 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 22:36.15 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 22:36.19 | moshii | But redhat is enterprise ready,.. |
| 22:36.19 | ttuttle | Netinst as in BOOTP, or netinst as in minimal CD? |
| 22:36.28 | abrotman | minimal cd |
| 22:36.30 | jsubl2 | ttuttle: i had trouble on fedora getting 32bit mplayer installed. |
| 22:36.33 | abrotman | moshii: so is debian |
| 22:36.34 | Guerin | ttuttle: minimal cd |
| 22:36.36 | omg0 | are you guys network admins? |
| 22:36.36 | jsubl2 | did not work |
| 22:36.40 | jetscreamer | businesscard>netinst |
| 22:36.42 | moshii | ttuttle: the business card cd is a good start too |
| 22:36.45 | abrotman | jetscreamer: depends |
| 22:36.46 | ttuttle | Okay. |
| 22:36.46 | geo-rge | debian sometimes has broken repos... but they get fixed relatively fast... and debian does in-place upgrades very well |
| 22:36.55 | Guerin | abrotman: butbutbut ... how can it be if it's not called Debian Enterprise Server!?!?2?221 |
| 22:37.02 | abrotman | jetscreamer: especially if your NIC doesn't work :) |
| 22:37.03 | moshii | haha |
| 22:37.06 | jetscreamer | if you want to install sid businesscard is the only way to go |
| 22:37.10 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 22:37.13 | ttuttle | So should I go for amd64 rather than x86? |
| 22:37.15 | geo-rge | the broke repos don't happen so often you'd notice any pattern |
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| 22:37.20 | Klaps | i have learned alot today with my first day on debian |
| 22:37.23 | ttuttle | Is there a page explaining all the different sub-distros? |
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| 22:37.28 | Guerin | ttuttle: most people shouldn';t, but you probably should. |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | Guerin: echo "Debian Enterprise" > /etc/hostname |
| 22:37.32 | moshii | ofcourse Redhat can support the x thousand of third party applications they ship.. |
| 22:37.35 | Klaps | but no one say me a good ftp client |
| 22:37.37 | Guerin | ttuttle: yes, it's the install guide |
| 22:37.43 | abrotman | Klaps: you were given *multiple* |
| 22:37.50 | ttuttle | Guerin: Okay. |
| 22:37.51 | Guerin | abrotman: see, if you did that you could sell service contracts! |
| 22:37.57 | ttuttle | Okay, I think I'm sold. |
| 22:37.57 | geo-rge | ttuttle: do you have an amd64? :) |
| 22:38.00 | Klaps | i want some with a gui and sll i have found now |
| 22:38.01 | Guerin | Klaps: lftp |
| 22:38.02 | abrotman | Guerin: i already get paid :) |
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| 22:38.03 | ttuttle | geo-rge: Intel, but same. |
| 22:38.08 | Klaps | secure ftp |
| 22:38.12 | abrotman | Klaps: someone told you filezilla *hours* ago |
| 22:38.17 | geo-rge | no, you wouldn't use amd64 support |
| 22:38.21 | Klaps | is the best for me i tried alot |
| 22:38.29 | Klaps | filezilla no ssl |
| 22:38.41 | Klaps | i tried.. |
| 22:38.41 | moshii | geo-rge: intel's EMT64 will run the amd64 port of debian just fine |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | bullshit |
| 22:38.44 | ttuttle | geo-rge: Um, I use amd64 on Gentoo. It's the same architecture, I think. |
| 22:38.52 | ttuttle | geo-rge: AMD just named it first. |
| 22:38.57 | geo-rge | oh, is it? |
| 22:39.00 | Klaps | secureFTP has SSL and a GUI all i need |
| 22:39.01 | moshii | geo-rge: ia64 is totally different |
| 22:39.08 | ttuttle | ia64 is Itanium. |
| 22:39.19 | ttuttle | Now I just need to back up the system. |
| 22:39.32 | geo-rge | ttuttle: excellent |
| 22:39.52 | abrotman | that was the easiest sell this week! |
| 22:39.54 | moshii | geo-rge: The only difference between intel and amd's implementation is what happens with memory >4GB |
| 22:39.58 | Guerin | !customer |
| 22:39.58 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 22:40.05 | Guerin | oh wait ... he DIDN'T LEAVE |
| 22:40.10 | ttuttle | Oh, I forgot the most important part -- do you have a shiny boot screen? ;-) |
| 22:40.19 | abrotman | you can do it .. it's not there by default |
| 22:40.19 | moshii | ttuttle: only if you choose to have one |
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| 22:40.30 | ttuttle | brb switching subnets |
| 22:40.34 | abrotman | nor i .. i don't watch it boot :) |
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| 22:40.39 | moshii | geo-rge: you boot? |
| 22:40.44 | Guerin | ttuttle: yes ... if by `shiny' you mean `blocky framebuffer art, red on black' |
| 22:40.45 | ben | hi there |
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| 22:40.50 | Guerin | (and only on the installer) |
| 22:40.56 | ttuttle | back |
| 22:41.05 | abrotman | Guerin: he means like splashy, etc |
| 22:41.17 | Guerin | crashy, I call it |
| 22:41.21 | ben | i am looking for HUD Lite for debian distribution |
| 22:41.25 | Guerin | it used to be good, but it just seems busted now |
| 22:41.26 | moshii | You can turn a debian splash on in grub |
| 22:41.41 | geo-rge | housing and urban development?! |
| 22:41.49 | jetscreamer | filezilla does sftp ... was it sftp or ftps he wanted |
| 22:42.22 | ttuttle | Wow, I have a single Photoshop file from my backup of my school folder that's 3 gigs. |
| 22:42.38 | jetscreamer | it took me that long ... almost 2.5 minutes |
| 22:42.38 | Guerin | ttuttle: yep. |
| 22:42.51 | Guerin | ttuttle: i made one of those back in the olden days |
| 22:43.03 | Guerin | layers = diskpain |
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| 22:43.35 | moshii | geo-rge: buy an old 64bit unix workstation instead |
| 22:43.45 | moshii | geo-rge: like an ultra or something |
| 22:43.55 | ttuttle | That'd be cool. |
| 22:44.16 | geo-rge | moshii: the hw is at my fingertips right now... I don't need to buy anything |
| 22:44.21 | geo-rge | well hopefully |
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| 22:45.26 | jetscreamer | you can mail it cod even.... |
| 22:45.33 | moshii | geo-rge: I don't think you'll notice an amazing amount of difference to be honest |
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| 22:45.58 | Guerin | mailing cod is prohibited in most juristictions |
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| 22:46.04 | Guerin | as a biohazard |
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| 22:46.14 | ttuttle | wow |
| 22:46.17 | moshii | just cod? or all fish? |
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| 22:46.28 | geo-rge | moshii: what I'd notice is the time spent to return one and buy another |
| 22:46.32 | Guerin | moshii: fish in general, but cod seems to be more popular than others. |
| 22:46.33 | jetscreamer | you must have FISH on your truck |
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| 22:46.45 | omg0 | I am Upgrading my desktop system using the command " # aptitude install libfam0 xlibmesa-glu". I have reached the point where its asking if I want to replace my kernel. Should I select yes? http://pastebin.ca/671761 |
| 22:46.46 | jetscreamer | if you have fish in your truck |
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| 22:47.07 | jetscreamer | omg0: you should aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 22:47.57 | jetscreamer | but don't stop in the middle of installing stuff |
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| 22:48.38 | chops | Hm; online resizing of ext3 isn't working for me in etch. Is there anything special I have to do? |
| 22:48.40 | Guerin | omg0: yeah, run a full dist-upgrade. You want to be running a new kernel BEFORE you get to this point. It is possible to remove the running kernel and install a new one in its place, but you MUST make sure you install it before you reboot, and you should have a backup kernel too. |
| 22:49.11 | grendal_prime | hey...jesus chirst i just sentmy laptop over the back of my desk!! |
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| 22:49.26 | moshii | grendal_prime: nice move |
| 22:49.27 | grendal_prime | still works...damn..that was a close one |
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| 22:49.45 | grendal_prime | hehehe scared the shit out of me though |
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| 22:50.29 | grendal_prime | hey i got these servers that simply will not boot from cd, i need to make some boot disks just to get it up and working so i can then boot from disk.. |
| 22:50.40 | jetscreamer | !floppy |
| 22:50.40 | dpkg | hmm... etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
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| 22:50.52 | Guerin | grendal_prime: netboot FTW |
| 22:51.00 | grendal_prime | i have the boot disks for sarge..bitchen thanks |
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| 22:51.39 | RenatoSilva | I use APTonCD to cache my updates and extras, but sometimes I install stuff that I don't want anymore. For example, I've installed FlightGear that come with a lot of dependencies. But I've noticed that now my CD is busy, and I don't want this game anymore. The question is: how to remove a package AND its dependencies??? |
| 22:52.00 | Guerin | RenatoSilva: did you install using aptitude? |
| 22:52.06 | jetscreamer | apt-get autoremove |
| 22:52.12 | jetscreamer | not in etch though is it? |
| 22:52.16 | Guerin | woah, apt-get has auto now? |
| 22:52.41 | moomoo | after installing ndiswrapper on my system, the only driver for this laptop's wifi is from dell. I loaded ndiswrapper correctly and attached it to the windows xp wifi driver... The command ndiswrapper -m dosn't work gives a fatal error, and the modprobe also fails.. Any sugestions? |
| 22:52.47 | jetscreamer | in testing atm |
| 22:53.01 | abrotman | cdrecord |
| 22:53.02 | grendal_prime | oops floppy i mean |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | dd |
| 22:53.06 | jetscreamer | dd if= |
| 22:53.59 | Guerin | moshii: my suggestion is to get a decent wifi card, where `decent' means `doesn't need ndiscrapper' |
| 22:54.00 | moshii | moomoo: what chipset? |
| 22:54.02 | grendal_prime | thats right...hehehe i just got done building a machine that writes images to doms via dd.. |
| 22:54.21 | Guerin | moomoo: see my advice to moshii |
| 22:54.37 | moomoo | lol :-) |
| 22:54.54 | Guerin | you think it's a joke, but I'm serious |
| 22:54.54 | moshii | moomoo: RT75 or whatever is pretty good, and cheap |
| 22:55.00 | Klaps | !remove |
| 22:55.05 | Klaps | !remove heö |
| 22:55.08 | Klaps | !remove help |
| 22:55.14 | Guerin | Klaps: man aptitude |
| 22:55.18 | moomoo | i'd like to use the internal one if possable... only to save money |
| 22:55.29 | moshii | moomoo: 25 euro for a usb dongle that has decent drivers, no firmware, and can do packet injection etc :D |
| 22:55.31 | Guerin | moomoo: good luck with that. |
| 22:55.34 | Klaps | aptitude kde |
| 22:55.35 | Klaps | ? |
| 22:55.41 | Guerin | moomoo: you mean rt73? |
| 22:55.47 | abrotman | !tell Klaps about remove kde |
| 22:55.52 | moshii | moomoo: what chipset is your current one? maybe it has native drivers |
| 22:55.57 | moomoo | the laptop is a dell 9400 inspiron |
| 22:56.00 | Guerin | that's a pretty good part, actually, I bought and set one up for my sister |
| 22:56.09 | moomoo | let me get that info |
| 22:56.16 | moshii | moomoo: what does it say in lspci about it? |
| 22:56.32 | moshii | Guerin: could be rt73.. very good |
| 22:56.36 | RenatoSilva | Guerin: I used Synaptic. I've heard aptitude can do that... |
| 22:56.50 | moomoo | !past |
| 22:56.50 | dpkg | i guess past is you can also join #flood |
| 22:56.57 | Guerin | RenatoSilva: yeah. One of the major problems with synaptic is that it's not aptitude. |
| 22:57.08 | moomoo | what is a link for pasting info? |
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| 22:57.19 | Guerin | moomoo: !paste |
| 22:57.23 | Guerin | or /topic |
| 22:57.25 | RenatoSilva | Guerin: do u mean that if I installed with aptitude I could do this? |
| 22:57.30 | moomoo | !paste |
| 22:57.30 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 22:57.46 | moshii | moomoo: just tell me what chipset lspci says it is.. look for the line with 802.11 or similar |
| 22:57.53 | Guerin | RenatoSilva: yes, aptitude marks things like deps as automatically installed, and will automatically remove them, too. |
| 22:58.07 | moomoo | ICH7 Family |
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| 22:58.19 | Guerin | moomoo: just read the instructions he gavce you |
| 22:58.38 | moomoo | intell corporation |
| 22:58.42 | moshii | moomoo: ICH7 will be the chipset of the motherboard |
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| 22:59.03 | ttuttle | moshii: Look for something starting with "Network controller". |
| 22:59.06 | zinx | moomoo: it's probably an intel card in it, both the 3945 and 4965 are supported via open source drivers, but ICH7 doesn't say anything about the wireless card |
| 22:59.13 | moshii | moomoo: 06:05.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 22:59.19 | ttuttle | moshii: Next one. |
| 22:59.20 | LinuxNIT-II | im interested in backporting python-gtk2 from lenny to etch... where is a good place to read up on that? |
| 22:59.23 | ttuttle | moshii: Oh whoops. |
| 22:59.24 | moshii | moomoo: look for something like that |
| 22:59.52 | moomoo | 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) |
| 22:59.55 | moomoo | is that it? |
| 22:59.57 | zinx | moomoo: nope |
| 23:00.00 | ttuttle | moshii: Next one. |
| 23:00.06 | moshii | moomoo: that's wird ethernet |
| 23:00.07 | ttuttle | moshii: AUGH sorry, nick completion. |
| 23:00.13 | moomoo | ahh |
| 23:00.16 | moomoo | here it is 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation Dell Wireless 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card (rev 01) |
| 23:00.27 | Guerin | argh, broadcom |
| 23:00.32 | Guerin | worst wlan evar |
| 23:00.36 | zinx | dell-branded broadcom at that |
| 23:00.40 | Guerin | you have my condolences |
| 23:00.40 | abrotman | i bet it's not even bcm43xx |
| 23:00.40 | moshii | mm is that one supported by that broadcom driver? |
| 23:01.01 | moomoo | I have a pcmci card too in another laptop and it is also a broadcom |
| 23:01.15 | ttuttle | moomoo: Next time Dell offers you the Intel card, take it. I did, and look at how happy I am: =D |
| 23:01.53 | RenatoSilva | Guerin: and if in the future another app requires it, and I remove the first one, will aptitude still keep the new-dedendency package? |
| 23:02.01 | ttuttle | Hey, does Debian support the Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG? |
| 23:02.01 | moshii | ttuttle: he could always rip out that card and replace it :) |
| 23:02.06 | ttuttle | moshii: Yeah. |
| 23:02.07 | zinx | abrotman: there's some places that say bcm43xx will take it.. perplexingly they say to blacklist it and use ndiswrapper, but from the wording it seems like that's because they are idiots, rather than because bcm43xx doesn't support it |
| 23:02.07 | moomoo | ok.... about 3 weeks agoe i removed windows and install linux and have loved it ever since but most of my computer stuff is oriented tords windows :-( |
| 23:02.12 | ttuttle | moshii: If I was at home I'd mail him my 2200. |
| 23:02.14 | moshii | ttuttle: the atheros ones are nice too :) |
| 23:02.15 | zinx | ttuttle: yes |
| 23:02.16 | epiclulz | hm, trying to install my ndiswrapper driver and it's already loaded but when i type "modprobe ndiswrapper" it tells me module not found |
| 23:02.18 | epiclulz | anyone know how to fix it |
| 23:02.20 | ttuttle | zinx: Really? |
| 23:02.29 | ttuttle | zinx: Doesn't it include a binary daemon without source code? |
| 23:02.31 | zinx | ttuttle: using ipw3945 (not the newer iwlwifi drivers, yet) |
| 23:02.34 | zinx | ttuttle: yes. |
| 23:02.35 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 23:02.35 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 23:02.38 | zinx | ttuttle: it's in non-free |
| 23:02.39 | ttuttle | zinx: Oh, iwlwifi rocks. |
| 23:02.41 | ttuttle | zinx: Ah. |
| 23:02.50 | zinx | ttuttle: yeah, i'm using iwlwifi for my 4965AGN |
| 23:02.57 | zinx | but iwlwifi is not in debian yet |
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| 23:03.43 | RenatoSilva | Guerin: people told me about --purge-unused, is this the best for me???? It works only with aptitude-installed paCkages????? |
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| 23:03.46 | moshii | moomoo: apparently that card is natively supported |
| 23:03.48 | zinx | (so - i can say you can set it up in debian, but debian doesn't technically support it yet, unlike ipw3965) |
| 23:04.15 | moomoo | when you say natively supported what doe's that meen tords the use of it in linux? |
| 23:04.39 | moshii | moomoo: I mean there are drivers in the kernel for it, you just need the firmware it seems |
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| 23:05.14 | zinx | moomoo: it means you don't have to use windows drivers in linux for it, you can use drivers made for linux (they tend to work *FAR* better) |
| 23:05.14 | moomoo | is there a link to show me how to get started?? |
| 23:05.17 | omg0 | Upgrading my desktop system using # aptitude install libfam0 xlibmesa-glu. I selected "YES" when asked to delet the kernel. I didn't see anywhere where it said it replaced the kernel. http://pastebin.ca/671787 |
| 23:05.32 | zinx | moomoo: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ is the homepage for the drivers you'll be using |
| 23:05.40 | moomoo | thank you! |
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| 23:06.09 | moshii | moomoo: there might be nice debian packages of the firmware around, google is your friend |
| 23:06.30 | abrotman | uhm .. use the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 23:06.46 | abrotman | !info bcm43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 23:06.48 | moomoo | with installing in debian dpkg's are they only things i can use for installingA |
| 23:06.50 | dpkg | bcm43xx-fwcutter: (Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware), section contrib/utils, is optional. Version: 1:005-2 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 23:07.35 | epiclulz | hm, trying to install my ndiswrapper driver and it's already loaded but when i type "modprobe ndiswrapper" it tells me module not found. how do you fix this? |
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| 23:08.04 | moshii | epiclulz: you have checked for real drivers right? |
| 23:08.16 | RenatoSilva | I use APTonCD to cache my updates and extras, but sometimes I install stuff that I don't want anymore. For example, I've installed FlightGear that come with a lot of dependencies. But I've noticed that now my CD is busy, and I don't want this game anymore. The question is: how to remove a package AND its dependencies??? |
| 23:08.30 | epiclulz | moshii, what do you mean? |
| 23:08.40 | moshii | epiclulz: ndiswrapper is a last resort |
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| 23:08.44 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:09.16 | epiclulz | moshii, oh yeah... it's a crappy wireless card from trendnet. wireless only worked in freebsd with ndisgen |
| 23:09.25 | epiclulz | moshii, trying to get it working in debian |
| 23:10.06 | moshii | epiclulz: It'll be one of the standard chipsets though, most of which have working free or binary drivers |
| 23:10.27 | omg0 | abrotman. guerin, jetscreamer: After selecting yes for kernel delete I did not see any remark about a new kernel should I use: aptitude dist-upgrade now? to upgrade the kernel |
| 23:10.45 | epiclulz | moshii, so where do you get these generic drivers? |
| 23:11.06 | moshii | epiclulz: first use lspci to try and work out what that thing actually is |
| 23:11.31 | abrotman | omg0: what's your CPU ? |
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| 23:12.53 | ratonn | ?: How do I identify which version of Debian I have? |
| 23:13.00 | abrotman | !version |
| 23:13.00 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 23:13.13 | epiclulz | moshii, it's some marvell chipset |
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| 23:14.59 | moshii | epiclulz: there is a driver called "Libertas" for it by the look of it |
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| 23:15.20 | epiclulz | moshii, yep. it says [Libertas] in lspci |
| 23:15.28 | epiclulz | moshii, does it mean it's loaded already or what? |
| 23:15.35 | ratonn | thanks abrotman |
| 23:15.55 | abrotman | ratonn: do you need help deciphering that ? |
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| 23:16.24 | ratonn | abrotman: nope, got it. Upgrading from 3.1 to 4.0 as simple as distr-upgrade ? |
| 23:16.34 | abrotman | !tell ratonn about sarge->etch |
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| 23:17.25 | geo-rge | what is .za timezone? |
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| 23:18.23 | asg | geo-rge: apt-get install dict ; dict .za |
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| 23:19.28 | moshii | epiclulz: a driver for the usb version of it is in kernel 2.6.22 |
| 23:19.53 | geo-rge | asg: dict. cool. problem: didn't answer the question :) |
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| 23:20.11 | asg | geo-rge: yes it does. |
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| 23:21.19 | geo-rge | nope, doesn't... it does say it's a country code for south africa... |
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| 23:21.36 | streuner | geo-rge: almost the same like GMT+1 ;-) |
| 23:21.41 | ratonn | Does etch use apache 1 or 2 as default web server? |
| 23:21.47 | asg | geo-rge: and you can't take that information and google? |
| 23:22.24 | john_titor | i need a slow ram not-live cd linux distro .... anybody help me? |
| 23:22.29 | \amethyst | geo-rge: tzselect might be useful |
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| 23:22.33 | geo-rge | streuner: that'll do :) thanks |
| 23:22.34 | abrotman | ratonn: the one you install |
| 23:22.44 | ratonn | abrotman: nevermind, it's mentioned in the release notes |
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| 23:22.56 | ratonn | how long will it be till 4.1? |
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| 23:23.08 | john_titor | i tried puppy and dsl but they are live cd and the pc reboots when tries to start the os |
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| 23:23.18 | asg | ratonn: Openbsd 4.1 has been out for a while |
| 23:23.24 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:23.25 | ratonn | hehe |
| 23:23.34 | abrotman | ratonn: no one knows .. |
| 23:23.46 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 23:23.46 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 23:24.07 | ratonn | is there a script to delete all temporary files from the system? |
| 23:24.08 | Cataphract | does anyone know why it takes so long (~5 seconds) to login with ssh? |
| 23:24.10 | ratonn | logs and such |
| 23:24.19 | ratonn | my /var partition is almost full |
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| 23:24.26 | abrotman | ratonn: apt-get clean |
| 23:24.43 | omg0 | abrotman, AMD Athlon 2500+ |
| 23:24.55 | asg | Cataphract: probably due to your IP not being resolved to a valid A record in DNS. |
| 23:24.58 | ratonn | abrotman: what about purging log files? |
| 23:25.02 | abrotman | omg0: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:25.09 | x03 | hi all |
| 23:25.12 | abrotman | ratonn: cd /var/log/ && rm *.gz |
| 23:25.20 | asg | ratonn: man 8 logrotate |
| 23:25.27 | Cataphract | can't you turn off the lookup? |
| 23:25.51 | asg | Cataphract: man sshd_config; search for UseDNS |
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| 23:26.18 | bkj | help |
| 23:26.18 | bkj | I have installed ubuntu on VirtualBox and everything was ok but at the end i choosed only 800x600 and 640x480 resolutions, now i need 1024x768 |
| 23:26.19 | Cataphract | all right, thanks |
| 23:26.27 | geo-rge | asg: it's pretty obvious I knew za was a country code, so (while I do appreciate dict for its other uses) that was a totally unnecessary step, likely meant to slow me down |
| 23:26.56 | asg | geo-rge: and you waste everyone's time in here instead of fucking googling an obvious question yourself? |
| 23:27.05 | ratonn | is it unwise to run a debian system without a firewall? |
| 23:27.20 | geo-rge | streuner: thanks :) that will do nicely... \amethyst: yes, that pinpointed it |
| 23:27.50 | geo-rge | asg: if you didn't want to help you don't have to be here. |
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| 23:28.18 | codynotes | I set up bind on my server to resolve names for machines on my local network, each as a subdomain under my main domain, which points to a hosted server off the LAN. Everything works great, except that now I can't resolve the main domain from inside the LAN. Does anyone know how I can set up bind to use the hosting company's nameservers to resolve the main domain? |
| 23:28.20 | geo-rge | there is NO excuse for trying to treat me in that manner |
| 23:28.21 | abrotman | pot/kettle! |
| 23:28.24 | streuner | geo-rge: well, thats still allowed to google ;-) |
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| 23:28.46 | streuner | geo-rge: calm down |
| 23:28.59 | geo-rge | true... but his grumpy attitude did tend to raise my temperature |
| 23:29.15 | abrotman | you didn't help |
| 23:29.22 | lordrich | ratonn: no, you can run without a firewall perfectly fine |
| 23:29.23 | abrotman | you could have just googled to start with |
| 23:29.36 | lordrich | bkj: you might get a better response in #ubuntu |
| 23:29.43 | ratonn | lordrich: hehe |
| 23:29.44 | asg | streuner: google seems to indicate gmt+2 is correct |
| 23:29.51 | ratonn | abrotman: /var/spool/exim4/msglog is 4gb! |
| 23:29.52 | ratonn | :/ |
| 23:29.54 | streuner | using google to look what tz is .za is pretty helpful. |
| 23:30.00 | ratonn | can I delete all files in there? |
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| 23:30.02 | abrotman | ratonn: you've been spamming me! |
| 23:30.04 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 23:30.10 | user01 | can you have ports forwards to two devices like have two port 80s forwarded to two different computers? |
| 23:30.11 | streuner | asg: yeah, i said _almost_ ;-) |
| 23:30.29 | streuner | (GMT+1) |
| 23:30.35 | ratonn | abrotman: safe to rm * ? |
| 23:30.40 | asg | streuner: funny thing that ;) |
| 23:30.47 | abrotman | ratonn: that's up to you |
| 23:30.47 | moshii | ratonn: don't delete, rotate |
| 23:30.54 | abrotman | moshii: it's 4GB |
| 23:31.09 | streuner | asg: heh, nah, .za is (almost) on the same line (north) like germany... |
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| 23:31.12 | dnanar | does anyone know a "bit torrent" deamon on debian please ? I mean, a deamon which could download torrent in background ? |
| 23:31.15 | abrotman | probably should have been rotated awhile ago |
| 23:31.20 | moshii | abrotman: ah, that's a good point.. but maybe it's 4GB for a reason |
| 23:31.26 | moshii | abrotman: like a problem ;) |
| 23:31.27 | asg | streuner: almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea? |
| 23:31.30 | abrotman | moshii: perhaps .. think he cares? :) |
| 23:31.37 | streuner | asg: :-P |
| 23:31.45 | moshii | abrotman: he will when it happens again I suppose |
| 23:32.10 | abrotman | moshii: then he won't be asking me :) |
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| 23:32.25 | user01 | im just wondering what happens if im forwarding port 80 for webserver and the my pap2 device needs port 80 as well to be forwarded . . . |
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| 23:33.17 | ratonn | abrotman: my server is relay safe |
| 23:33.31 | ratonn | ;) |
| 23:33.32 | moshii | user01: forward a different external port to X's port 80 |
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| 23:33.59 | ratonn | I think I'm gonna install postfix |
| 23:34.03 | ratonn | exim gives me headaches |
| 23:34.41 | moshii | qmail gives me headaches.. like where's the freakin log you stupid shit |
| 23:35.09 | streuner | !start a mta war |
| 23:35.09 | dpkg | postfix owns |
| 23:35.18 | geo-rge | abrotman: and this is again reason why I don't like to help around here... if I spend my time helping people SO OTHERS DON'T HAVE TO, then I should be allowed an occasional fish. If that's not true, it represents an unfavorable comparison of the time of whoever that was with mine. I don't tolerate that from anyone, and if you don't want me helping, kick me off, I'll never provide anything here again. |
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| 23:35.36 | abrotman | geo-rge: i didn't say that .. i just said you could have googled it |
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| 23:35.38 | moshii | streuner: it's not war,.. sticking binaries in /var is stupid though |
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| 23:35.49 | abrotman | geo-rge: you're entirely too hot under the collar :) |
| 23:36.20 | geo-rge | I get that way when I'm treated badly unnecessarily... but you didn't do so; thanks for that |
| 23:36.47 | streuner | geo-rge: fuck off, asg is here for a long time and he helped many people, only when needed he suggest(ed) RTFM or google - and in that case he is right! |
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| 23:37.12 | moshii | burned. haha |
| 23:37.36 | geo-rge | streuner: right to point it out, wrong to be grumpy about it. |
| 23:37.38 | streuner | if you dont like him, just /ignore help |
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| 23:38.04 | geo-rge | I don't know that I don't like him, that's a different issue |
| 23:38.15 | rocketmagnet | hi, how to use the openssl command to produce and md5 string ? |
| 23:38.48 | streuner | trust me we know him, and we know that he want always help... |
| 23:38.51 | moshii | rocketmagnet: Can't you use md5sum for that? |
| 23:38.53 | geo-rge | streuner: maybe you don't realize this, but I predate asg by years |
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| 23:39.11 | geo-rge | but whatever :) |
| 23:40.31 | rocketmagnet | moshii: it's because i also want to use the random number generator of ssl inside my php application so i want to get familar with the openssl command |
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| 23:40.55 | moshii | rocketmagnet: man -k openssl or look in /usr/share/doc.. |
| 23:41.03 | abrotman | geo-rge: damn it jim! lies! :) |
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| 23:41.16 | geo-rge | :P |
| 23:42.42 | well_real | can anybody tell me how to backup my home dir?(/home/well), thx a lot! |
| 23:42.54 | stoned | Will mounting an ext2 FS on windows xp through ext2ifs or ext2fsd cause my filesystem to get corrupted, if windows crashes? How stable/reliable is ext2 read/write in windows xp? Should I be worried? Should I mount it only in ro mode? Please advise. |
| 23:42.54 | moshii | well_real: man tar |
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| 23:43.17 | well_real | moshii, you mean tar cvf home.tar /home/well ??? |
| 23:43.19 | geo-rge | well_real: back it up to what? tape? |
| 23:43.21 | stoned | I have some experience with ext3 under windows xp, and after a few months it totally corrupted my ext3 fs. Hows ext2 fare? |
| 23:43.27 | mhiku | what software can i install to many computers to combine their memory, ram and harddisk space using lan to be like one super computer or virtualize |
| 23:43.34 | well_real | geo-rge, to a file in my hd |
| 23:43.38 | lastnode | guys, i run an amd sempron 1.8 on my laptop. lenny picked a 486 kernel for me, but 686 should work better, right? |
| 23:43.44 | moshii | well_real: you may want some other flags too, to keep permissions etc |
| 23:43.47 | stoned | mhiku: mosix? |
| 23:43.50 | rocketmagnet | moshii: but ty for the md5sum tip, also good to know |
| 23:43.50 | stoned | !clustering |
| 23:43.51 | dpkg | Clustering is an up-and-coming technology using two or more computers that function together as a single entity for fault tolerance and load balancing. This increases reliability and up-time in a client/server environment. One computer will sense when another computer is failing or getting bogged down and will take over its tasks. |
| 23:43.51 | abrotman | lastnode: k7 |
| 23:43.57 | lastnode | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:44.21 | stoned | !openmosix |
| 23:44.22 | dpkg | openmosix is probably http://openmosix.sourceforge.net, or is the GPLv2, Open Source, project to extend the outstanding Mosix project. New releases of Mosix became proprietary software in late 2001 Not appropriate for true parallel programs, where interconnect speed matters (and ethernet won't cut it) |
| 23:44.23 | marc7 | :D |
| 23:44.27 | moshii | rocketmagnet: echo "string" | md5sum -; will give you the md5 hash for string.. |
| 23:44.29 | well_real | moshii, could you please tell me in details, thx |
| 23:44.29 | marc7 | *buys everybody in #debian a beer* |
| 23:44.30 | abrotman | !msg the bot |
| 23:44.30 | dpkg | from memory, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 23:44.39 | lastnode | abrotman: also, when i just install the linux-image-whatever metapackage, it doesnt pull in the latest kernel. is there a reasonf or this? |
| 23:44.44 | lastnode | *for |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | lastnode: define the latest ? |
| 23:45.01 | stoned | marc7: you da man |
| 23:45.03 | \amethyst | rocketmagnet: openssl md5 filename |
| 23:45.09 | moshii | well_real: read what it says in man tar, if you want to backup regularly I suggest backupninja |
| 23:45.24 | \amethyst | faubackup is nice |
| 23:45.28 | well_real | moshii, thx |
| 23:45.29 | geo-rge | well_real: tar is good... cd /home ; tar cfpl /some/where/backup.tar homedir |
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| 23:45.35 | stoned | !popcon |
| 23:45.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:45.43 | lastnode | abrotman: 2.6.21-2 |
| 23:45.44 | \amethyst | if you don't mind backing up to a directory instead of a file |
| 23:45.45 | well_real | geo-rge, thx |
| 23:45.52 | abrotman | lastnode: which veresion of debian are you on ? |
| 23:45.58 | marc7 | life is awesome, I picked up the openssh-4.6p1 source from unstable, applied the openssh-lpk patch, tweaked the debian/control and debian/rules files after reading the new maintainers guide, used dpkg-buildpackage to compile... the successful output is running... and yes, life rules. |
| 23:46.05 | moshii | geo-rge: got to let people read man pages so they really understand the switches they're using ;) |
| 23:46.09 | geo-rge | well_real: also consider moshii suggestion |
| 23:46.25 | lastnode | abrotman: i just installed from the latest testing weekly. |
| 23:46.30 | stoned | marc7: life is grand |
| 23:46.36 | well_real | geo-rge, i will only backup once, then erase my gentoo system |
| 23:46.37 | stoned | marc7: but some people are assholes |
| 23:46.37 | abrotman | lastnode: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 23:46.42 | moshii | stoned: you're Irish? |
| 23:46.43 | abrotman | lastnode: doesn't pull a .21 for you ? |
| 23:46.51 | stoned | marc7: they like to make it hard for other people because their own life sucks too much |
| 23:46.57 | user01 | moshii: ok hmmm so someone on the internet goes to my internet ip which is 67.00.00.00:80 and the router forwards that on to my webserver at 192.168.0.10:80 but my pap2 receives traffic at 192.168.0.9:80 so where do i change the port? |
| 23:47.03 | lastnode | abrotman: yeah just did that. when i did linux-image-2.6-486 though it didnt pull the latest in |
| 23:47.04 | stoned | moshii: not, part scottish |
| 23:47.05 | marc7 | stoned: let them be assholes. just a brief aside, are you at work right now? |
| 23:47.16 | stoned | marc7: nope, I just got home |
| 23:47.24 | epiclulz | dang, how do you fix this "FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found." I get that after "depmod -a" and "modprobe ndiswrapper" |
| 23:47.27 | geo-rge | moshii: yeah, I know :) the problem for me is motivation... to explain the switches in an effective way takes a lot of time, energy, constant recalibration |
| 23:47.28 | stoned | I'm about to bake 'n stone |
| 23:47.30 | stoned | ;) |
| 23:47.42 | moshii | stoned: aaa Scottish?! run! |
| 23:47.48 | stoned | why? |
| 23:47.51 | abrotman | lastnode: maybe it wasn't a dependency |
| 23:47.51 | lastnode | epiclulz: is ndiswrapper installed? |
| 23:47.57 | marc7 | ahh, speaking from experiences at work, or life in general? and man, I need to buy some too, coming from BC it's damn near unacceptable I'm not working harder on that. |
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| 23:48.02 | stoned | lastnode: did you catch the bit about openmosix? |
| 23:48.11 | moshii | stoned: Scots kills English people with pointy sticks |
| 23:48.14 | lastnode | abrotman: yeah, cool. one more q - do you know if bcm43xx fixes were made in 2.6.20+ ? |
| 23:48.15 | epiclulz | lastnode, it is. i just installed the windwos driver with it |
| 23:48.22 | stoned | marc7: you are fucking >>>fast at typing |
| 23:48.23 | lastnode | stoned: no im sorry, missed it |
| 23:48.31 | abrotman | lastnode: nfc .. check the chagnelog |
| 23:48.33 | stoned | !tell lastnode -about openmosix |
| 23:48.36 | marc7 | stoned: not really... |
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| 23:48.38 | lastnode | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:48.47 | marc7 | just trying to keep up with the scroll ;-) |
| 23:48.50 | user01 | moshii: or could i just forward to each individually in iptables? |
| 23:48.50 | stoned | marc7: hehe |
| 23:48.55 | geo-rge | well_real: only backup once? hmm. that's up to you I guess... but I'd suggest you might come up with an actual backup plan that covers all your storage |
| 23:48.55 | stoned | I'm on windows :) |
| 23:48.57 | lastnode | stoned: thanks, but im not sure why i want to know? |
| 23:49.01 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:49.05 | iturk | hi friends each reader can display dvi files ? |
| 23:49.11 | stoned | lastnode: didn't you ask about clustering? |
| 23:49.14 | abrotman | iturk: CAD files ? |
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| 23:49.21 | moshii | user01: you could forward 81 on the external ip to 80 on the pap |
| 23:49.22 | iturk | which i mean |
| 23:49.23 | lastnode | stoned: nope. :) i asked about the -k7 kernel |
| 23:49.26 | stoned | oh sorry |
| 23:49.29 | stoned | mhiku: ^^ |
| 23:49.32 | abrotman | iturk: are they autocad files ? |
| 23:49.36 | iturk | latex files |
| 23:49.38 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:49.38 | lastnode | stoned: np, seeing your nick, im not surprised ;-) |
| 23:49.40 | well_real | geo-rge, thx again |
| 23:49.52 | abrotman | iturk: apt-cache search dvi |
| 23:49.54 | stoned | lastnode: hehe, ok ok, lets grill the man with the stoner nick |
| 23:50.03 | stoned | lastnode: dude I love pancakes |
| 23:50.06 | lastnode | now you rest till noon, boy |
| 23:50.07 | stoned | you da man/woman |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | lastnode: didn't you used to be in offtopic channel ? |
| 23:50.54 | stoned | ok |
| 23:51.00 | stoned | still, half x |
| 23:51.02 | stoned | ;) |
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| 23:51.16 | lastnode | abrotman: i used to be, before bcm4318 started being a pita and i had to go back to windows. i heard there are fixes in 20+ now though, so coming back! |
| 23:51.21 | well_real | geo-rge, is it tar cfpl or tar cfPl? |
| 23:51.32 | streuner | !tar |
| 23:51.32 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 23:51.39 | user01 | moshii: right but on the external for a webpage request how does it know to look for 81 instead of 80? i thought when i entered a webpage like www.google.com it looked on port 80 |
| 23:51.42 | geo-rge | well_real" little p |
| 23:51.51 | stoned | what happens to ext2 if system crashes without properly umounting the fs? |
| 23:52.00 | stoned | I know ext3 plays a journal and tries to recover |
| 23:52.03 | moshii | user01: yup, but you can't have two things listening on the same port.. |
| 23:52.21 | well_real | geo-rge, ok |
| 23:52.32 | moshii | user01: so when you make a http request to the pap punch in http://ipaddresss:81 |
| 23:53.11 | moshii | stoned: it isn't marked clean and will get fscked on next mount |
| 23:53.25 | user01 | moshii: oh but its my service provider that looks on port 80 |
| 23:54.02 | moshii | user01: you'll need two external ip's or something then, you can't have two things on the same port |
| 23:54.21 | user01 | moshii: so ill just have to have them know to use the other oprt for upgrades |
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| 23:55.10 | user01 | moshii: HTTP: Port 80 UDP (for firmware upgrades/downgrades) |
| 23:55.43 | user01 | moshii: can you have two different for tcp and udp? |
| 23:55.48 | moshii | user01: you could redirect port 80 TCP to the webserver and UDP to the other |
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| 23:57.08 | stoned | moshii: ok how about this. If you are on windows, and mount ext2 as read/write, and windows crashes or restarts, what then? There is no fsck so what happens then on remount again in windows? Any idea? |
| 23:57.12 | user01 | moshii: ah ok so you could direct tcp 80 to one computer and udp 80 to another ... weird |
| 23:57.36 | stoned | moshii: Unfortunately I am STUCK on Windows XP at this time, and have only my ext2 disk which I need to be able to write to from windows |
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| 23:57.56 | stoned | moshii: I don't want to take any chances because the data is very important |
| 23:58.06 | moshii | stoned: if files are being written those would get damaged, and the fs probably isn't check by the windows driver |
| 23:58.12 | acemo | i just installed a new debian etch on my server, now im trying to ssh into it, but the connection gets refused. what can i do to let it accept the connection? |
| 23:58.19 | moshii | stoned: mount the fs readonly then |
| 23:58.22 | lastnode | stoned: i used ext2fs a while back |
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| 23:58.32 | streuner | acemo: install ssh |
| 23:58.40 | user01 | acemo: you have to install it |
| 23:58.48 | streuner | !installit |
| 23:58.49 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 23:59.04 | acemo | ohh men.. how stupid can i be? lol |
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| 23:59.13 | streuner | nah |
| 23:59.20 | streuner | !spoon-feeding |
| 23:59.21 | dpkg | Spoon-feed a newbie for a day and he will come back with more stupid questions. Teach him how to help himself and he will come back with answers. |
| 23:59.26 | lastnode | acemo: not stupid enough to run another distro ;-) |
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| 23:59.38 | user01 | i had that same problem because i was using openbsd that had it installed by default :) |
