| 00:00.03 | acemo | lastnode: i ran gentoo before, wich didnt had it installed by default.. so i kinda should have known |
| 00:00.05 | streuner | well, not in Debian |
| 00:00.24 | lastnode | acemo: case in point! :P |
| 00:00.24 | streuner | ssh isnt by default installed in Debian |
| 00:00.43 | moshii | user01: you have to still enable the daemon though |
| 00:01.17 | tvynr | Anyone have any clue why the scripts in /etc/laptop-mode/* don't get run whenever I unplug my AC adapter? I just installed laptop-mode-tools and I'm trying to get it to control Folding@Home when it goes onto and off of battery. Is there anything special I need to do to set it up? |
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| 00:02.21 | Cripps | light a man a fire and you'll keep him warm for a day; light a man ON fire and you'll keep him warm for the rest of his life. |
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| 00:03.02 | d00gster | compiling kernel I get net/netlink/af_netlink.c:1846: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2083 |
| 00:03.10 | d00gster | any idea's how to fix this? |
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| 00:04.12 | Cripps | d00gster, that's an error in the extract_insn function located in the recog.c file at line 2038 ... "vim +2038 recog.c" and fix the error ;) |
| 00:04.17 | abrotman | d00gster: ask #kernel |
| 00:04.17 | user01 | moshii: yep . . . but that was in their setup instructions |
| 00:04.27 | lastnode | d00gster: is that an NIC you are compiling a driver for? |
| 00:04.54 | Cripps | abrotman, there is no #kernel ... it's ##kernel ... I've never seen them talk about anything useful there :/ |
| 00:05.13 | abrotman | Cripps: #kernel redirects you |
| 00:05.20 | lastnode | it should forward |
| 00:05.23 | Cripps | abrotman, this is true. |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | and i've gotten help there |
| 00:05.26 | lastnode | what abrotman said |
| 00:05.36 | d00gster | lastnode, yes I have a via rhine |
| 00:05.50 | lastnode | d00gster: no i mean, do you recognize what the compiler is dying on? |
| 00:05.56 | Cripps | abrotman, good for you :) ... I usually stick to the KJ or lkml mailing lists for help ;) |
| 00:05.57 | Klaps | my first time on linux today i dont what to learn more |
| 00:06.07 | Klaps | dont know |
| 00:06.09 | abrotman | there's also #kernelnewbies on oftc |
| 00:06.16 | abrotman | !tell Klaps about grounding |
| 00:06.17 | abrotman | read it all |
| 00:06.24 | d00gster | lastnode, no i don't |
| 00:06.56 | abrotman | d00gster: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 00:06.57 | Cripps | abrotman, true enough ... but you'd get a quicker response from the kernel-newbies mailing list than you would in the irc room ... although, the KJ and kernel-newbies mailing lists are now on vger,org |
| 00:07.04 | tvynr | If I put a script in /etc/laptop-mode/batt-start and mark it executable, it should run when I unplug the power adapter, yes? |
| 00:07.05 | Cripps | *vger.org |
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| 00:07.58 | moshii | tvynr: you could do it in acpid too |
| 00:08.29 | tvynr | moshii: *nods* Well, I'm taking the fact that my script isn't running as indicative of a problem with laptop-mode-tools detecting my power state. |
| 00:08.41 | tvynr | I have a KDE system tray icon indicating power state, so ACPI must be working. |
| 00:08.51 | tvynr | But it's like it's not notifying laptop-mode-tools or somesuch. |
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| 00:09.35 | Klaps | where can i get a vhost here? |
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| 00:09.44 | Klaps | !info vhost |
| 00:09.45 | epiclulz | where do i get kernel source? is it on synaptic? |
| 00:09.51 | abrotman | Klaps: /msg dpkg help |
| 00:10.02 | abrotman | epiclulz: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 00:10.09 | abrotman | Klaps: and no you can't |
| 00:10.38 | mhiku | is there a better way in clustering linux better than mosix? |
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| 00:10.48 | mhiku | or only mosix is out there? |
| 00:11.00 | abrotman | what kind of clustering ? |
| 00:11.08 | lastnode | epiclulz: id read a "compiling a kernel the debian way" before trying to compile a kernel for the first time, mate. |
| 00:11.16 | Klaps | pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman |
| 00:11.21 | mhiku | using lan |
| 00:11.22 | Klaps | how can i get this |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | Klaps: pay |
| 00:11.33 | Klaps | bnc? |
| 00:11.34 | mhiku | clustering using lan, resources and other stuff |
| 00:11.38 | abrotman | PAY MONEY |
| 00:11.48 | Klaps | how much? |
| 00:11.48 | abrotman | mhiku: so high availability ? |
| 00:11.54 | abrotman | i don't know .. ask #defocus |
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| 00:12.32 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:12.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 00:12.36 | fas3r | nobody use RADIUS EAP-TLS ? i have this error when i want to connect to my server with user laptop : " rlm_eap_tls: No SSL info available. Waiting for more SSL data " if someone have idea ... :( |
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| 00:13.02 | abrotman | fas3r: you've been asking all day :) |
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| 00:13.08 | stoned | moshii: what I used to do was mount ext3 read/write in windows xp, and if the system crashed or restarted, or whatever, I'd reboot with a livecd and fsck the disk. But it is a pain because it is a 750GB disk which is 99% full |
| 00:13.20 | lastnode | can i ask apt to get me xfce4 without thunar? |
| 00:13.30 | stoned | nope |
| 00:13.32 | abrotman | don't instlal the metapackage |
| 00:13.45 | abrotman | fas3r: are you using freeradius ? |
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| 00:13.53 | stoned | maybe if you were on sarge you probably could, it still contains old xfce 4 packages, when thunar wasn't around in |
| 00:13.59 | fas3r | abrotman: yes |
| 00:14.09 | abrotman | fas3r: did you try #freeradius ? |
| 00:14.21 | fas3r | yes since 3 days .. nobody speak |
| 00:14.26 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:14.36 | abrotman | possibly ask ##linux also |
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| 00:14.45 | fas3r | it's sames.. :( |
| 00:15.12 | abrotman | no one speaks in ##liux ? |
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| 00:15.13 | abrotman | linux |
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| 00:17.10 | nuxis | hey, a normal user can watch /etc/passwd .. on my server how do I change it so no one can read it except root chmod......... |
| 00:17.24 | abrotman | dont |
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| 00:17.44 | nuxis | abrotman: but now everyone can read it O_o .. |
| 00:17.56 | abrotman | as it should be |
| 00:18.16 | nuxis | so if they copy the 2 files and then use john the ripper they have passwords.. |
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| 00:18.47 | abrotman | nuxis: that's silly .. if you don't trust them .. don't give them shell access |
| 00:19.21 | nuxis | abrotman: I'm gonna start a great shell soon so .. I wanna make sure no one can have acces to it.. |
| 00:19.53 | abrotman | a great shell ? |
| 00:20.03 | nuxis | public |
| 00:20.09 | abrotman | will it be called the nautilus .. and you'll wear a hat and answer to Nemo ? |
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| 00:20.20 | Snake-eyes | the greatest shell ever made! |
| 00:20.24 | Snake-eyes | lol |
| 00:20.30 | nuxis | euh abrotman .. |
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| 00:21.11 | abrotman | nuxis: many programs rely on the ability to read /etc/passwd .. however not many can read /etc/shadow |
| 00:21.33 | epiclulz | geez, i installed the kernel source, but now ndiswrapper makefile is hassling me for some kernel build files that it cant find |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 00:21.48 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 00:22.12 | nuxis | yea ok but if I gonna start a public shell I don't want that peope gonna hack each other.. |
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| 00:23.47 | abrotman | nuxis: you're going to have to do *a lot* more work than changing perms on /etc/passwd (which wouldn't do anything for you really anyways) |
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| 00:25.38 | nuxis | soz abrotman I meaned shadow not passwd |
| 00:25.41 | richie_ | where are my apt gpg keys stored? |
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| 00:25.50 | abrotman | nuxis: but you can't read /etc/shadow |
| 00:25.57 | nuxis | abrotman: I can't |
| 00:26.10 | abrotman | nuxis: that's where the passwords are |
| 00:26.18 | nuxis | I looked wrong infact I meaned shadow whole the time but I rushed them together |
| 00:26.37 | nuxis | I was focused on a few things and forgot the diference sorry |
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| 00:28.42 | BleSS | any help with courier, i get Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command) |
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| 00:31.04 | epiclulz | abrotman, that worked. thanks! |
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| 00:31.47 | omg0 | I have ran: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 and it seemed to have been executed properly. I checked the menu.lst file and I am not sure its saying that the new image is in the boot file. http://pastebin.ca/671828 |
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| 00:32.01 | omg0 | Can someone look at it for me |
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| 00:33.18 | abrotman | run update-grub |
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| 00:33.34 | abrotman | if it still looks like that .. reinstall the package again |
| 00:34.51 | nuxis | how do I check direct rendering is on or not? |
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| 00:35.20 | abrotman | glxinfo | grep -i direct |
| 00:35.24 | nuxis | tnx |
| 00:35.55 | nuxis | direct rendering is on but I get, libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b |
| 00:36.53 | nuxis | mhh driver ati brb I need radeon |
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| 00:37.43 | abrotman | nuxis: happens sometimes .. |
| 00:37.46 | abrotman | nuxis: ignore it |
| 00:37.50 | abrotman | !tell ttuttle about root |
| 00:37.56 | abrotman | ttuttle: can't speak here as root |
| 00:38.40 | Klaps | unaffiliated/klaps << :) |
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| 00:40.09 | ttuttle | Happy now? |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | ttuttle: better .. but you have no hostmask |
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| 00:40.40 | ttuttle | Er, I should. |
| 00:40.44 | nuxis | abrotman: ok |
| 00:40.54 | ttuttle | Anyway... reiserfs sucks. |
| 00:40.57 | abrotman | duh |
| 00:41.27 | ttuttle | resize_reiserfs is destructive. It doesn't leave things in a consistent state. I killed it -- once -- because I needed to reboot, and it trashed a ton of my filesystem. |
| 00:41.42 | ttuttle | If Windows' defrag can stop in the middle, why can't resize_reiserfs? |
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| 00:42.03 | ttuttle | Anyway, I'm doing --rebuild-tree now :-\ |
| 00:42.09 | ttuttle | (It *seriously* ate things.) |
| 00:42.17 | ttuttle | (Does rebuild-tree ever put things back in the right place?) |
| 00:42.42 | ttuttle | (Or does it just trivially make it mountable by assigning everything a place in /lost+found?) |
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| 00:43.00 | abrotman | that sounds useless |
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| 00:43.09 | ttuttle | abrotman: What does? |
| 00:43.18 | ttuttle | abrotman: So how bad is Primanti, anyway? |
| 00:43.25 | abrotman | ttuttle: you've not gone yet? |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | ttuttle: it's an experience |
| 00:43.30 | doug__ | is there a debian kernel repo where i can get 2.6.22.5? |
| 00:43.34 | ttuttle | abrotman: No, not yet. |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | ttuttle: it's .. not horrible |
| 00:43.46 | lastnode | im installing from a minimal. got x, but when i start gdm it dies saying it cant find the fontpath |
| 00:43.49 | ttuttle | abrotman: ...okay. |
| 00:44.01 | ttuttle | abrotman: /me needs better backups. |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | ttuttle: my brothers went to school out there .. so i got to go to places like the Church brewery and Pamela's |
| 00:44.06 | lastnode | doug__: sid should have chat? |
| 00:44.08 | ttuttle | abrotman: (As in, I need my backup script to actually have been working.) |
| 00:44.13 | ttuttle | abrotman: cool. |
| 00:44.15 | lastnode | *that |
| 00:44.22 | doug__ | lastnode: what's sid? |
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| 00:44.25 | lastnode | what package do i need to get to set fontpath? |
| 00:44.32 | lastnode | !sid |
| 00:44.33 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 00:44.40 | abrotman | ttuttle: you did a resize before your backup ? |
| 00:45.07 | xerophyte | could somebody help me with Xinerama and MGA G200 with dual monitoring .. i have configured good .. i guess but i only get one monitor working :( |
| 00:45.23 | doug__ | lastnode: i thought 2.6.22.5 wasn't broken though. sid is a broken package repo? |
| 00:45.39 | lastnode | doug__: sid is unstable, where packages go before they come to testing. |
| 00:45.56 | ttuttle | abrotman: Here's the thing: I was booted to a LiveCD, and I was resizing to make room for a backup partition, so I could reformat my root one and install Debian (or Fedora, or something). But my laptop has a bug where the backlight turns off when you close the lid, but doesn't turn on without help from vbetool. So I closed it, and couldn't blindly get vbetool to work, so I had to reboot it, killing resize_reiserfs. |
| 00:45.59 | lastnode | abrotman: fontpath? ive got xserver-xorg-core and xfs already. |
| 00:46.09 | doug__ | lastnode: why does kernel.org say latest stable version: 2.6.22.5? |
| 00:46.23 | abrotman | ttuttle: you have my laptop! |
| 00:46.25 | ttuttle | abrotman: So I did that, and then reiserfsck'ed it, and it showed a ton of nasty errors, and told me to rebuild-tree. |
| 00:46.29 | asg | doug__: that's the latest upstream vanilla kernel. |
| 00:46.31 | ttuttle | abrotman: Dell Inspiron e1405? |
| 00:46.36 | abrotman | oh .. no .. IBM TP |
| 00:46.37 | asg | doug__: the lastest debian kernel is 2.6.18 |
| 00:46.39 | lastnode | doug__: that's from the kernel team. distros take time to apply their own patches etc |
| 00:46.43 | abrotman | mine does the same .. and i've not worked it out yet |
| 00:46.45 | omg0 | abrotman, it looks the same. so I'm going to run the upgrade again |
| 00:46.48 | ttuttle | abrotman: lol I *wish* I had a ThinkPad. |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | ttuttle: you'd have geek cred! |
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| 00:47.06 | nikosapi | I have a raid 5 array, right now the computer it's in is booting and it says the array is degraded (2/3 disks are still working). I think it might be a cable that came unplugged, what happens when I shut it down and plug the 3rd disk back in? |
| 00:47.07 | abrotman | omg0: install the kernel again .. look for warnings/errors |
| 00:47.14 | doug__ | asg: lastnode: thanks. what's the address that i ad in my sources.list for sid? |
| 00:47.16 | ttuttle | abrotman: Why can't the idiots just put a switch that cuts the power to the backlight when you close it, instead of using shitty half-baked (literally EXACTLY half -- off but not on!) software to do it? |
| 00:47.27 | ttuttle | abrotman: That would be so much easier. |
| 00:47.40 | abrotman | ttuttle: i'd just rather have it not do anything unless i explicitly set it up :) |
| 00:47.40 | lastnode | doug__: note that sid prolly wont be supported in there though. just change all 'etch' listings to 'sid' |
| 00:47.47 | asg | doug__: why do you need the 2.6.22.5 kernel? Running sid just to get it is the wrong way to go about things. |
| 00:47.52 | ttuttle | abrotman: Eh, I think cutting the backlight when you close the lid should be a hardware feature. |
| 00:47.58 | doug__ | Miles_Prower: how did you get it? |
| 00:48.02 | ttuttle | abrotman: As in, works even without a BIOS. |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | ttuttle: oh .. maybe it is on some laptops |
| 00:48.16 | ttuttle | abrotman: It should be on all, IMNSHO. |
| 00:48.20 | doug__ | I'm running kubuntu but everyone in there led me here |
| 00:48.21 | Miles_Prower | doug__, downloaded from kernel.org, configured, compiled, installed. |
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| 00:48.26 | omg0 | abrotman, here is my error message: http://pastebin.ca/671847 |
| 00:48.37 | abrotman | doug__: they lied to you .. go back to #kubuntu .. we cannot help you |
| 00:48.38 | asg | doug__: you really should go to #ubuntu |
| 00:48.42 | doug__ | asg: it seems like new and improved will help |
| 00:48.52 | asg | doug__: do you currently have problems? |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | doug__: and if anyone tells you otherwise .. they'll them to jump off a bridge |
| 00:48.57 | abrotman | tell them |
| 00:49.04 | ttuttle | lol |
| 00:49.18 | ttuttle | This is all Gentoo's fault. |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | !blame gentoo |
| 00:49.33 | ttuttle | Yes! |
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| 00:49.35 | doug__ | asg: no problems. |
| 00:49.37 | Miles_Prower | doug__, I always keep a streamlined (all hardware but mine removed, etc, etc, or module'd) kernel as my main, and the current top debian as a backup for hw changes/etc. |
| 00:49.38 | asg | ttuttle: no, it's all knoppix's fault. Things were fine before knopppix |
| 00:49.41 | lastnode | the dir /usr/share/fonts does not exist. :/ what do I need guys? |
| 00:49.44 | ttuttle | asg: Mmm yeah. |
| 00:49.54 | abrotman | asg: i think he meant his fucked filesystem |
| 00:49.58 | ttuttle | asg: Knoppix sucks these days. It's far too heavy. It *used* to be useful on older systems. |
| 00:49.59 | asg | doug__: then you have no reason to run any other kernel than the one the distribution provided. It's tested, stable, security supported. |
| 00:50.24 | ttuttle | asg: Yeah, I fscked up my filesystem by killing the resizer while it was running. What idiot writes a resizer that leaves huge corruptions in the FS as it's running, and only fixes them at the end? |
| 00:50.40 | doug__ | Miles_Prower: so if i install the vanilla kernel, i'll still have access in grub bootloader for my kubuntu approved kernels? |
| 00:50.41 | asg | ttuttle: ah, my misunderstanding. |
| 00:50.51 | Miles_Prower | Yep. |
| 00:50.55 | ttuttle | asg: It should move data to free space, *then* rewrite the pointer, so if you kill it, it it just not resized, but not corrupted. |
| 00:50.58 | Miles_Prower | doug__, Yep. |
| 00:51.03 | jetscreamer | there are no kubuntu approved kernels |
| 00:51.06 | ttuttle | asg: So I'm hoping I find my homedir in /lost+found. |
| 00:51.13 | doug__ | Miles_Prower: thanks |
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| 00:51.22 | doug__ | jetscreamer: i mean the one they use |
| 00:51.23 | linuxtk10 | hey |
| 00:51.24 | ttuttle | asg: Damn thing couldn't do something smart like just take out the Portage tree. It had to eat my homedir. |
| 00:51.31 | ttuttle | asg: Computers suck. |
| 00:52.04 | jetscreamer | restore from that backu... you know, the one you make every night just in case |
| 00:52.08 | jetscreamer | backup |
| 00:52.27 | ttuttle | jetscreamer: Yeah, about that. I was in the process of fixing my backup script this morning, but ran in to a problem with the backup program (duplicity)., |
| 00:52.34 | linuxtk10 | whats better Bind |
| 00:52.37 | ttuttle | jetscreamer: Plus I've got a 2 GB/day Internet quota here. |
| 00:52.38 | linuxtk10 | or TinyDNS ? |
| 00:52.40 | ttuttle | linuxtk10: dnsmasq. |
| 00:52.45 | asg | ttuttle: my slug doesn't suck ... barely makes a sound and draws very little power ;) |
| 00:52.59 | ttuttle | asg: THat sounds good. |
| 00:53.01 | ttuttle | asg: How much? |
| 00:53.02 | asg | linuxtk10: it depends on your requirements and experience |
| 00:53.16 | linuxtk10 | asg: i mean its like w/e ? |
| 00:53.25 | linuxtk10 | just looking ofr a light dns server |
| 00:53.29 | linuxtk10 | to get the job done |
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| 00:54.03 | asg | linuxtk10: they will all get the job done and they are all lightweight. Some are more suited to different tasks. If you have no experience with one, then #dns will probably recommend one to fit your needs. |
| 00:54.28 | linuxtk10 | i was thinking just to use bind9 to stick to the standard |
| 00:54.29 | lastnode | ive already installed xfs and xfstt, what more do ineedfor X related fonts? |
| 00:54.32 | asg | ttuttle: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ (around $70) |
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| 00:54.43 | ttuttle | asg: /me is on a LiveCD, and can't browse the web well. |
| 00:54.53 | ttuttle | asg: With or without disk? |
| 00:55.14 | asg | ttuttle: w/o. I currently use a 2GB flash stick for shits and giggles. |
| 00:55.35 | ttuttle | asg: Cool. |
| 00:55.57 | asg | linuxtk10: that would be fine since there is copious documentation available. |
| 00:56.08 | omg0 | Crap. It seems I don't have aptitude anymore on the computer |
| 00:56.19 | asg | omg0: apt-get install aptitude |
| 00:56.43 | ttuttle | asg: That sounds fairly nice. |
| 00:57.06 | asg | ttuttle: works well for a number of tasks |
| 00:57.31 | ttuttle | asg: It's $80 from Newegg. |
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| 00:58.10 | ttuttle | asg: I've been thinking about just building a desktop. I could use it for this. |
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| 00:58.42 | asg | ttuttle: not enough power/memory to run X usably. I use it as a proxy server, email gateway, etc. |
| 00:58.50 | SerajewelKS | why would my cdrom drive recognize a cd if it's in when the box boots but not if i put one in after? mount/cat/etc respond "No medium found" |
| 00:58.55 | ttuttle | asg: No, I mean I could just back my laptop up to my desktop. |
| 00:59.08 | ttuttle | SerajewelKS: That's strange. |
| 00:59.18 | ttuttle | asg: (If I had a desktop.) |
| 00:59.31 | jetscreamer | itry /dev/scd0 instead of /dev/hdb or whatever |
| 00:59.33 | SerajewelKS | ttuttle: yes it is. on the same CD too. i eject it and put it in and the drive actually behaves like there's nothing there. |
| 00:59.52 | ttuttle | SerajewelKS: Anything interesting in dmesg? |
| 00:59.58 | SerajewelKS | ttuttle: nope |
| 01:00.00 | ttuttle | SerajewelKS: Hmm. |
| 01:00.13 | ttuttle | So what's better than reiserfs? ext3? |
| 01:00.32 | jetscreamer | anything cept xfs |
| 01:00.46 | jetscreamer | *>xfs>reaiser |
| 01:00.50 | jetscreamer | reiser |
| 01:00.59 | ttuttle | Hmm. |
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| 01:03.27 | epiclulz | anyone know what the command is to set Wep key before connceting? i'm doing "iwconfig wlan0 key s:somekey" and it's not working |
| 01:03.54 | Miles_Prower | Ext3 is nice. |
| 01:03.58 | ttuttle | Okay. |
| 01:04.15 | Miles_Prower | It's only true FLAW so far as I've seen.. is that it is a bit wasteful of space, being so simple. |
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| 01:05.11 | gonzaloaf | hi. how can I change the port that vino-server uses as default?ยก |
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| 01:05.11 | grendal_prime | problem i cant find 4 working floppys |
| 01:05.11 | ttuttle | Miles_Prower: Nice. |
| 01:05.22 | grendal_prime | is there an install image for a usb drive? |
| 01:06.22 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 01:06.22 | dpkg | from memory, usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 01:06.26 | Miles_Prower | I was considering when i upgrade drives, going with xfs or ext4 (when that comes out, as it's supposed to be just as stable). |
| 01:06.59 | marc7 | if I've created my own certificate authority... how can I add that certificate to debian's global ssl certificate directory so that it recognizes my root CA just as it would anything else |
| 01:07.19 | gonzaloaf | hi, how many files is recommended to have inside a directory? |
| 01:07.23 | epiclulz | anyone know the command to set wep key? |
| 01:07.35 | ttuttle | epiclulz: iwconfig $INTERFACE key $KEY |
| 01:07.47 | asg | epiclulz: man 7 wireless (if you wish to do so in /etc/network/interfaces) |
| 01:08.02 | marc7 | gonzaloaf: it depends on which filesystem you're using. some of them are well tuned to having hundreds of thousands of files in a single directory. others... not so much. you at least want to go with a journaled filesystem |
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| 01:09.31 | gonzaloaf | marc7, ext3, I note that windows manage better the access speed to directories with more of 5000 files (mp3) using fat32 and ntfs filesystems, but linux with ext3 is extremely slow |
| 01:09.54 | gonzaloaf | marc7, maybe the slow is krusader instead linux and ext3 fs |
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| 01:12.02 | marc7 | that's entirely possible... though i'm not entirely sure how you'd go about checking where the bottleneck is. you could obviously run top or another load analyzer to see how badly the processor is pinned when browsing through with krusader... you could also install the sysstat package and use iostat to see the volume of read/writes.. but others here would be better suited to help you nail down the problem |
| 01:12.15 | ttuttle | How fast does a Debian system with nothing installed boot? |
| 01:12.25 | asg | gonzaloaf: once a directory has been read once, it should be instantaneous to read it again due to the filesystem cache (irrespective of the filesystem used.) If this happens every time, then I'd expect the userland program you are using. |
| 01:13.08 | gonzaloaf | asg, maybe krusader doesnt work like that |
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| 01:13.21 | nevyn | ttuttle: it depends on what EXACTLY yyou mean by nothing and on what hardware?? |
| 01:13.26 | asg | gonzaloaf: perhaps. I'm not familiar with it enough to say though. |
| 01:13.48 | ttuttle | nevyn: I mean is it "quick" generally out of the box, compared to other distros? (I don't consider Fedora Core "quick". Gentoo's okay.) |
| 01:13.50 | asg | ttuttle: and also whay you mean by 'boot' |
| 01:13.57 | ttuttle | asg: Get to a login prompt, not X. |
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| 01:14.18 | nevyn | tuxd00d: it's a meaningless question |
| 01:14.25 | nevyn | bleh ttuttle |
| 01:14.31 | AfterDeath | Question: I tried installing debian etch on my external USB drive, using an encrypted root partition. However, it won't boot. It appears as if the USB drive is detected *after* it does the cryptsetup loading. |
| 01:14.47 | AfterDeath | Any ideas on how to make it work? |
| 01:15.02 | marc7 | i hate openssl *so* much |
| 01:15.11 | grendal_prime | ya but abrotman i cant find an image that fits on a 512 usb thumbdrive. |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:15.28 | grendal_prime | nothing will download from the debian.org websit |
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| 01:15.34 | nevyn | ttuttle: youre asking for a subjective measurement we caould all say it's fast byt you consider it slow |
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| 01:15.43 | ttuttle | nevyn: Okay, so it's fast. Good. |
| 01:15.56 | nevyn | it's slower than ubuntu but faster than fedora |
| 01:15.58 | stiv2k | ok |
| 01:16.01 | xerophyte | how can i find out the xorg version number i am using it ? |
| 01:16.11 | abrotman | X -version |
| 01:16.19 | stiv2k | does anyone know how to get my machine to re-detect the screens now that i plugged in my S-video cable |
| 01:16.27 | stiv2k | so i can get my desktop extended to my TV |
| 01:16.35 | nevyn | stiv2k: what video card? |
| 01:16.42 | stiv2k | nvidia |
| 01:16.48 | stiv2k | geforce go or something |
| 01:16.52 | stiv2k | its on my laptop |
| 01:17.26 | nevyn | stiv2k: the right answer is xrandr 1.2 but I think only the intel driver has been updated to support it so far |
| 01:17.30 | xerophyte | abrotman some of the post saying they are using version 8.x but mine says 1.3 :) what is the deal :) |
| 01:17.37 | stiv2k | nevyn: so i cant do it? |
| 01:17.43 | Strings | Really am <3ing Debian atm |
| 01:17.49 | nevyn | you probably have to re-write xorg.conf |
| 01:17.54 | nevyn | possibly by hand |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | xerophyte: X -version |
| 01:17.59 | stiv2k | i see |
| 01:18.07 | stiv2k | i want to watch the movie right now so |
| 01:18.09 | abrotman | xerophyte: bah .. it's lke 7.2 or something |
| 01:18.10 | stiv2k | ill do it later |
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| 01:18.15 | stiv2k | ill just reboot to windows |
| 01:18.27 | nevyn | stiv2k: try nvidia-settings |
| 01:18.30 | AfterDeath | Anyone? |
| 01:18.37 | xerophyte | abrotman how can i find out that :) |
| 01:18.45 | xerophyte | abrotman which is exaclty |
| 01:19.01 | nevyn | nvidia-settings might give you a gui thing to reconfig it. |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | 1.3 apparently .. |
| 01:19.19 | abrotman | gravity: which versino is in testing ? |
| 01:19.28 | nevyn | wom 15 |
| 01:19.33 | nevyn | bleh |
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| 01:26.04 | grendal_prime | i cant download anything from debian.org..can someone point me to a net install...somewhere? |
| 01:26.18 | linuxtk10 | hey when i do dpkg -l |
| 01:26.23 | linuxtk10 | i still got alot of packages |
| 01:26.26 | jetx | whenever you want |
| 01:26.29 | linuxtk10 | that i have removed |
| 01:26.42 | linuxtk10 | how do i clean up that list so it just shows packages i have installed ? |
| 01:27.01 | jetx | use purge |
| 01:27.07 | linuxtk10 | huh ? |
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| 01:28.33 | abrotman | linuxtk10: man dpkg |
| 01:28.38 | linuxtk10 | what does rc mean ? |
| 01:28.43 | linuxtk10 | that configs are still there ? |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:28.54 | linuxtk10 | ah |
| 01:28.56 | linuxtk10 | heh |
| 01:29.05 | linuxtk10 | imma jus reformat this system as well |
| 01:29.06 | Strings | anyone here use rtorrent? |
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| 01:29.59 | jetx | many ppl iirc |
| 01:30.03 | jetx | !ask |
| 01:30.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:30.22 | jetx | !--purge |
| 01:30.49 | asg | jetx: /msg dpkg purge |
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| 01:31.08 | jetx | !purge |
| 01:31.08 | dpkg | well, purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 01:31.31 | SerajewelKS | !tell Strings about poll |
| 01:31.41 | abrotman | jesus christ |
| 01:31.55 | jetx | !lart abrotman |
| 01:31.58 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: don't think he uses irc |
| 01:32.02 | asg | abrotman: have you had an epiphany? |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | who ? jetx ? |
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| 01:32.13 | abrotman | asg: of sorts .. |
| 01:32.15 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: jesus christ |
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| 01:32.42 | asg | abrotman: nails figure prominently I bet |
| 01:32.45 | shogunx | soneone called me? |
| 01:32.54 | shogunx | haha |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | jesus can spell better than that |
| 01:33.08 | asg | abrotman: damog can't though |
| 01:33.10 | Strings | Sorry, wasnt asking for help.. was just curious. |
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| 01:33.25 | jetx | !popcon |
| 01:33.26 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 01:33.26 | shogunx | perhaps, but not in english |
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| 01:36.00 | SerajewelKS | !tell Strings about bad polls |
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| 01:38.18 | mhiku | can openvz or mosiz emulate windows xp? |
| 01:38.39 | ttuttle | No. |
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| 01:39.06 | mhiku | what can? |
| 01:40.39 | asg | mhiku: vmware |
| 01:41.25 | jetx | yay that bum jetscreamer finally left |
| 01:41.51 | ttuttle | lol |
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| 01:42.09 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: or virtualbox, which is GPL |
| 01:42.21 | asg | mhiku: qemu is also an option |
| 01:42.32 | ttuttle | Qemu/KVM is good, if your CPU supports it. |
| 01:42.56 | SerajewelKS | asg: fwiw virtualbox is a lot faster than kqemu and has additions for host mouse integration and desktop resizing |
| 01:43.07 | ttuttle | Not kqemu -- Qemu/KVM. |
| 01:43.19 | SerajewelKS | ttuttle: still no mouse integration |
| 01:43.22 | mhiku | what software can emulate windows xp in linux? |
| 01:43.29 | ttuttle | SerajewelKS: Ah, yeah. |
| 01:43.32 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: www.virtualbox.org |
| 01:43.38 | asg | mhiku: we've given you three answers. |
| 01:43.39 | ttuttle | mhiku: What do you mean, emulate Windows XP? |
| 01:43.45 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: they have etch debs |
| 01:43.48 | mhiku | which is better |
| 01:43.54 | ttuttle | mhiku: Do you mean a replacement for Windows, or something that will allow you to run real Windows *under* Linux? |
| 01:43.57 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: that's subjective |
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| 01:44.14 | ttuttle | mhiku: I would guess VirtualBox is easiest to get started with. Try it first. |
| 01:44.18 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: mouse integration ? |
| 01:44.19 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: vmware costs money, qemu and virtualbox are free. virtualbox is nicer IMO. |
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| 01:44.25 | abrotman | vmware is also free |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | not Free |
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| 01:44.40 | mhiku | better in games? |
| 01:44.47 | asg | mhiku: no, don't be silly. |
| 01:44.55 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: for games no virtual technology will work. run it on the metal. |
| 01:44.57 | asg | mhiku: unless you mean nethack or moon patrol |
| 01:45.03 | ttuttle | Nethack FTW! |
| 01:45.11 | SerajewelKS | atc :) |
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| 01:45.35 | ttuttle | kspath_: Ooh, root? |
| 01:45.39 | abrotman | kspath_: you should know better |
| 01:45.43 | ttuttle | lol |
| 01:45.44 | mhiku | my goal is to have mosix installed on the server farm and it will virtualize windows xp |
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| 01:45.47 | ttuttle | Yeah, thought so. :-b |
| 01:45.54 | mhiku | is that posible? |
| 01:45.55 | asg | mhiku: or are you talking about using WINE to play windows games on Linux? That's a little different. |
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| 01:46.16 | mhiku | nope, i will not use wine, i will emulate windows xp thus windows xp run games |
| 01:46.28 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: not going to work |
| 01:46.30 | ttuttle | mhiku: Yeah, but none of the emulation software supports 3D graphics. |
| 01:46.39 | ttuttle | mhiku: It will be very slow or impossible to play modern 3D games. |
| 01:46.43 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: no VM has any kind of stable accelerated GPU driver |
| 01:46.46 | ttuttle | mhiku: If you're not playing fancy games, it might work. |
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| 01:47.07 | mhiku | oh no accelerated video driver in vm? |
| 01:47.09 | SerajewelKS | VMware has an experimental one that really isn't that fast or good |
| 01:47.11 | mhiku | :( |
| 01:47.15 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: hell no |
| 01:47.22 | SerajewelKS | mhiku: you know how complicated it is to do that? |
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| 01:47.27 | jshriver | How do you setup a webcam under linux? |
| 01:47.41 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 01:47.41 | dpkg | [webcam] a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 01:47.43 | fas3r | good night all |
| 01:47.52 | jshriver | thanks |
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| 01:48.01 | damog | asg: hah, fucker :p |
| 01:48.16 | asg | damog: don't make me cowsay you again :) |
| 01:48.50 | jshriver | IS a labtec webcam a QC? |
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| 01:49.30 | Guerin | !fgi jshriver |
| 01:49.36 | jshriver | ? |
| 01:49.42 | Guerin | !fgi jshriver labtech+webcam+qc |
| 01:49.43 | dpkg | jshriver: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=labtech+webcam+qc |
| 01:49.44 | Guerin | better |
| 01:49.49 | jshriver | thanks |
| 01:49.58 | Guerin | welcome |
| 01:50.07 | jshriver | har har ;) |
| 01:50.16 | Guerin | it's not a joke |
| 01:50.20 | jshriver | found a source forge site that claims the Labtech is a QC-like clone |
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| 01:50.58 | jshriver | what is the module name for v4l? |
| 01:51.03 | jshriver | so I can modprobe it |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | isn't it v4l ? |
| 01:51.09 | jshriver | if you dont mind me asking :) |
| 01:51.12 | jetscreamer | think so |
| 01:51.25 | jshriver | hrm must not be compiled already, tried modprobe v4l and v4l2 |
| 01:51.35 | ttuttle | Wow, does reiserfs sort files by length before it sorts by name? |
| 01:51.47 | asg | jshriver: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep v4l |
| 01:51.52 | jetscreamer | grep -i v4l /boot/config-whatever |
| 01:52.06 | ttuttle | What's the current kernel in Debian? |
| 01:52.13 | asg | ttuttle: 2.6.18-5 |
| 01:52.21 | ttuttle | Oh. |
| 01:52.23 | jshriver | /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l1-compat.ko |
| 01:52.23 | jshriver | /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/v4l2-common.ko |
| 01:52.27 | ttuttle | Can I safely run the latest vanilla? |
| 01:52.40 | ttuttle | (I know how to build it 'n' stuff.) |
| 01:52.41 | jetscreamer | jshriver: use modconf |
| 01:52.42 | asg | ttuttle: possibly but security updates and fixes are up to you. |
| 01:52.43 | jetscreamer | !modconf |
| 01:52.43 | dpkg | modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules, and at the same time it will update /etc/modules, or fix drivers/net no-view bug with http://bugs.debian.org/358855 |
| 01:52.49 | ttuttle | asg: Oh, of course. |
| 01:53.07 | ttuttle | asg: Is 2.6.18 one of the ones that's being maintained by some kernel folks? |
| 01:53.10 | asg | ttuttle: also, some things like the module-assistant stuff may not work but if you are compiling your own, you probably can handle that. |
| 01:53.30 | Guerin | asg: he's a recovering gentoobie |
| 01:53.37 | asg | ttuttle: it's the stable etch kernel and is supported. the testing and unstable kernels are higher. |
| 01:53.41 | asg | Guerin: I know |
| 01:53.54 | Guerin | ok |
| 01:53.57 | ttuttle | I mean, Gentoo's cool, but I need to get on with my life for a little while (college). |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | !find v4l etch |
| 01:54.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'v4l' (7): dov4l ;; libpt-plugins-v4l ;; libpt-plugins-v4l2 ;; libv4l-ruby1.8 ;; libvideo-capture-v4l-perl ;; v4l-conf ;; xserver-xorg-video-v4l. |
| 01:54.33 | abrotman | ttuttle: do what? |
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| 01:55.07 | geo-rge | ttuttle: so you're saying gentoo's maintainance cost is higher? or at least you're hoping? |
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| 01:55.13 | abrotman | !qotd200 is <reply><ttuttle> I mean, Gentoo's cool, but I need to get on with my life for a little while (college). |
| 01:55.13 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 01:55.14 | ttuttle | abrotman: No, it *is* higher. |
| 01:55.32 | ttuttle | abrotman: And some things (Compiz, for example) are perpetually b0rked, and require insane steps to configure. |
| 01:55.44 | Guerin | ttuttle: that's true of debian too |
| 01:55.53 | abrotman | of some stuff in debian |
| 01:55.55 | ttuttle | Hmm. |
| 01:55.56 | Guerin | just by virtue of compiz and beryl both being shite and broken |
| 01:55.59 | ttuttle | Things install faster, though. |
| 01:56.06 | Guerin | this is incontrovertibly true |
| 01:56.07 | rfmonk | !find gnuplot |
| 01:56.07 | ttuttle | The build-from-source thing is tiring. |
| 01:56.08 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gnuplot' (8): gnuplot ;; gnuplot-doc ;; gnuplot-mode ;; gnuplot-nox ;; gnuplot-x11 ;; libgnuplot-ruby ;; libgnuplot-ruby1.8 ;; python-gnuplot. |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | did you watch gentoo compile ? :) |
| 01:56.21 | rfmonk | thats cool |
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| 01:56.37 | ttuttle | abrotman: Not the whole way through. Some packages are fun to watch, though. |
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| 01:56.40 | geo-rge | they install exactly as fast... one compiles everything, the other doesn't :) |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | ttuttle: you're such a dork :) |
| 01:56.50 | ttuttle | abrotman: Yeah, I am. |
| 01:56.58 | ttuttle | abrotman: Congrats for figuring it out. |
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| 01:57.30 | abrotman | ttuttle: i saw your hostmask .. i didn't have to attend there to figure out you are a dork :) |
| 01:57.58 | ttuttle | abrotman: Oh yeah, I hadn't identified when I came in. |
| 01:58.10 | ttuttle | Right. |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | ttuttle: my brothers both lived in oakland |
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| 01:58.40 | ttuttle | abrotman: Ah. |
| 01:58.58 | ttuttle | abrotman: /me is in Welch. |
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| 01:59.11 | abrotman | i don't know the city that well |
| 01:59.20 | abrotman | i knew enough to get from swinburne to Pitt :) |
| 01:59.32 | abrotman | and get downtown |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | and to sewickley |
| 01:59.36 | ttuttle | abrotman: Oh, it's a dorm. |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 01:59.48 | ttuttle | abrotman: It's on the hill, behind Donner. |
| 02:00.05 | jetscreamer | donner pass |
| 02:00.06 | abrotman | ttuttle: they went to pitt .. not cmu |
| 02:00.08 | jetscreamer | cannabilism |
| 02:00.46 | b0b0tiken | hello. I would like to install debian at work and I would like to know if it is okay to install the 'unstable' branch versus the stable etch one. I would like to have some recent packages by default. What do you guys think ? |
| 02:00.51 | ttuttle | abrotman: oh |
| 02:01.02 | geo-rge | abrotman: oakland? which one? |
| 02:01.05 | bjorkimacg3 | why can't i play more than one sound on debian? |
| 02:01.07 | abrotman | ttuttle: we do have some people around here that went to CMU though |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | bjorkimacg3: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 02:01.19 | abrotman | geo-rge: oakland, pittsburgh |
| 02:01.56 | ttuttle | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.11 | abrotman | ttuttle: well .. people that i know |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | they graduated already |
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| 02:03.40 | bjorkimacg3 | do i need to have esd running on here? |
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| 02:04.12 | bjorkimacg3 | 'cause alsa's already up. |
| 02:04.27 | abrotman | don't use esd or arts |
| 02:04.29 | abrotman | ever |
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| 02:05.23 | abrotman | isn't there the gray stuff on the sink ? |
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| 02:05.33 | geo-rge | yes there is |
| 02:05.36 | jetscreamer | told you you should have mailed it to me |
| 02:05.38 | zinx | abrotman: only if you get a retail one |
| 02:05.44 | zinx | geo-rge: that's the thermal interface |
| 02:05.45 | abrotman | zinx: sure .. but he has it |
| 02:05.52 | zinx | geo-rge: you don't need any more goop |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | geo-rge: that stuff will suffice as long as you don't overclock |
| 02:06.06 | geo-rge | which I don't need to |
| 02:06.25 | grim | whats up with the 2.6.21 kernel on amd64? psmouse didn't load by default, and now i can't get alsa working (was working fine under 2.6.18) |
| 02:06.26 | jetscreamer | i need a bmw |
| 02:07.13 | abrotman | need? |
| 02:07.22 | jetscreamer | need |
| 02:07.29 | jetscreamer | i might die if i don't get one |
| 02:08.07 | ttuttle | lol |
| 02:08.52 | jetscreamer | i need to start a 'save jetscreamer's life' fund |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | jetscreamer: can't you just get a VW and be happy ? |
| 02:09.06 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:09.10 | abrotman | audi ? |
| 02:09.15 | jetscreamer | that would be if i wanted a porshce |
| 02:09.18 | jetscreamer | or audi |
| 02:09.19 | ttuttle | lol |
| 02:09.20 | bjorkimacg3 | bah. |
| 02:09.25 | bjorkimacg3 | i need to reboot. |
| 02:09.32 | abrotman | the horror! |
| 02:09.37 | jetscreamer | err porsche |
| 02:09.56 | xerophyte | I am trying to seutp the dual monitor with had MGA G200 .. i have configure the device section with BusID but when i start the x its complain like MGA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:5:0:0) found does anybod know why |
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| 02:10.12 | abrotman | it's wrong ? |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 02:10.39 | jetscreamer | you have to use deviceid on both displays iirc |
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| 02:11.29 | acemo | when i install php, where can i find the php executable? |
| 02:11.54 | abrotman | /usr/bin/ most likely |
| 02:12.05 | abrotman | did you install the php5-cgi ? |
| 02:12.18 | abrotman | erm .. cli |
| 02:12.22 | acemo | no, just did apt-get install php5, ill try cli |
| 02:12.28 | abrotman | php5-cli |
| 02:12.37 | rebo123 | acemo: try whereis php |
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| 02:12.55 | acemo | rebo123: returns php: |
| 02:13.04 | rebo123 | or, my favorite, |
| 02:13.11 | rebo123 | dpkg-query --list files <packagename> |
| 02:13.19 | rebo123 | to figure out what files the package you installed brought with it |
| 02:13.28 | abrotman | dpkg -L php5 | grep bin ? |
| 02:13.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching php5 | grep bin |
| 02:13.47 | rebo123 | --listfiles I mean |
| 02:14.01 | geo-rge | dpkg -L php5 |
| 02:14.02 | dpkg | ii php5 2.2-4 geo-rge's private gamp collection |
| 02:14.14 | grim | no one hear anything about the new amd64 kernel pushed to sid? |
| 02:14.32 | geo-rge | what did you hear |
| 02:14.39 | acemo | abrotman: thanks php5-cli gave me the executable :) |
| 02:14.52 | grim | geo-rge: it's foobar'd... broke my mouse (fixed now) and sound (working on it) |
| 02:15.14 | geo-rge | why was your mouse broke and what did you do to fix it |
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| 02:15.40 | grim | psmouse didn't get loaded during boot, so echo psmouse >> /etc/modules |
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| 02:17.15 | Bogus8 | anyone got any recommendations for a motherboard with REAL hardware raid 1 ? |
| 02:17.44 | geo-rge | send it to me! |
| 02:17.56 | grim | Bogus8: good luke, you're better off doing a software raid on the mobo |
| 02:17.58 | geo-rge | heartily recommended! |
| 02:18.16 | geo-rge | or get a nonraid mobo and a 3ware |
| 02:18.34 | Bogus8 | grim: if that is the case then I'll just get a 3ware card |
| 02:18.38 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: exactly |
| 02:18.51 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 02:18.51 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 02:18.51 | Bogus8 | grim: why don't you like 3ware? |
| 02:19.08 | grim | Bogus8: because at work i see them fail more often that work correctly |
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| 02:19.45 | Bogus8 | grim: really... I read lots of good things... I have one in a server, only running a couple months now |
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| 02:20.14 | grim | Bogus8: this is a combination of factors, and the raid card is the number 2 culprit... |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | you have crappy seagate drives don't you ? |
| 02:20.27 | grim | Bogus8: and i'm talking about the 12 port card (can't remember part number at the moment) |
| 02:20.29 | Bogus8 | grim: what do you think is the main problem? |
| 02:20.44 | Bogus8 | grim: I'm just looking at the 2 port $135 card |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | Bogus8: FWIW .. adaptec seem to work well |
| 02:21.12 | grim | abrotman: wd2500yd, wd2500ys, wd4000yr, wd4000yd, wd5000ys are the drive that hit that config |
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| 02:21.33 | abrotman | grim: and the drives fail often ? |
| 02:21.38 | Bogus8 | abrotman: wd/seagate ... it's all the same thing |
| 02:21.41 | grim | Bogus8: in that machine we build, the first problem is the back plane, after that, it's anywhere from dirty contacts to flaky firmware flashes |
| 02:21.53 | abrotman | Bogus8: maybe |
| 02:22.07 | Bogus8 | abrotman: now maxtor and hitachi is a different story ;) |
| 02:22.17 | grim | abrotman: you can sit there, with a bad backplane and watch drives get removed and reinserted with no moving for the sled ;) |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | Bogus8: i'll stick by my theory .. ti's the family of the drive .. not the manuf |
| 02:22.51 | abrotman | but i know that a good number of early sata seagate drives had issues |
| 02:23.06 | grim | ok, i'm think 2.6.21 was busted |
| 02:23.16 | grim | s/k/king/ |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | mine works fine |
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| 02:23.48 | grim | abrotman: my machine was working fine under 2.6.18 (amd64) |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | grim: configs change |
| 02:24.11 | geo-rge | it seems like all of that is modules |
| 02:24.21 | grim | abrotman: configs like not loading psmouse at boot? |
| 02:24.26 | geo-rge | certainly some of it turned out to be |
| 02:25.16 | abrotman | CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2=m |
| 02:25.20 | abrotman | satisfied ? |
| 02:25.27 | grim | yeah, why wasn't it detected and loaded? |
| 02:25.30 | abrotman | geo-rge: install dict ; dict .za |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | grim: uhm.. nfc ? :) |
| 02:25.50 | geo-rge | and that will get me to nervana, right? :P |
| 02:25.54 | grim | and why does alsa refuse to see my card now after manually loading everything, and when that failed, running alsaconf yields no devices found |
| 02:25.58 | abrotman | geo-rge: or another beer |
| 02:26.15 | asg | abrotman: actually, dict nervana does give one the correct spelling |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:26.39 | geo-rge | correct spelling.. |
| 02:26.44 | geo-rge | correct schmelling! |
| 02:27.00 | abrotman | kurrekt ? |
| 02:28.00 | geo-rge | one would think that once something that was originally stated with a small speling error or gramatical error, that one would go on with life :P |
| 02:29.05 | asg | danke |
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| 02:29.35 | geo-rge | hmm, that didn't come out right |
| 02:30.01 | geo-rge | one would think that once something was understood that was originally stated with a small speling error or gramatical error, that one would go on with life :P |
| 02:30.05 | geo-rge | there that's better |
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| 02:32.39 | abrotman | geo-rge: spelling ... |
| 02:32.54 | geo-rge | and likely grammatically |
| 02:33.28 | grim | hey look at that, sound works now in 2.6.22... |
| 02:33.42 | geo-rge | oh goody :) |
| 02:35.46 | ttuttle | lol |
| 02:35.47 | grim | yeah good luke with that :P |
| 02:36.20 | grim | and i blame the kernel package maintainers... as i said, no difference from what wasn't just working under 2.6.21 and now it works... |
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| 02:37.13 | geo-rge | you'd probably have to prove that for them to listen... but your thing works now/// |
| 02:37.34 | geo-rge | there are still cases where it might not be their fault |
| 02:37.47 | grim | lspci shows an emu10k1 drive, alsaconf claimed it setup the drivers for it, and queries on alsa showed nothing |
| 02:37.59 | geo-rge | "didn't work for me" won't do that :) |
| 02:38.09 | grim | i didn't even run alsaconf this time and it just worked like it has been for last few years :) |
| 02:38.29 | grim | ok, alsamixer couldn't find a device... how's that? nothing in dmesg, modules loaded cleanly |
| 02:38.31 | geo-rge | so do you have an additional sound card? |
| 02:38.36 | grim | no |
| 02:38.38 | geo-rge | perhaps on the motherboard? |
| 02:38.46 | grim | it's disabled in bios |
| 02:38.52 | grim | and the resources don't show up |
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| 02:39.40 | qiyong | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.01 | grim | s/'/`/ |
| 02:40.08 | grim | s/$/g/ |
| 02:40.54 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
| 02:41.27 | grim | the better question is what is it supposed to do, but the back ticks was the first thing i noticed... |
| 02:41.56 | unix_infidel | can you mount a dd image? |
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| 02:42.01 | geo-rge | qiyong: with the backquotes, -exec will try to execute the result of RUNNING cat {} | wc as if it were a command |
| 02:42.13 | asg | unix_infidel: if the image has a supported filesystem, yes. |
| 02:42.23 | grim | unix_infidel: yes, -o loop, if you have partitions use -o offset=foo |
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| 02:42.40 | geo-rge | depends on what it's an image of :) |
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| 02:42.47 | abrotman | qiyong: or ask #bash |
| 02:42.58 | unix_infidel | geo-rge: its an image of a windows backup. gzip'd and split up. |
| 02:43.20 | geo-rge | but if it's a filesystem whose support is in your kernel and you also have loop support, -generally- the answer is yes |
| 02:43.34 | unix_infidel | excellent. |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | qiyong: find . -exec wc -l {} \; |
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| 02:43.51 | geo-rge | if it's gzipped and split, you'd have to join and unzip first I think |
| 02:44.34 | qiyong | abrotman, actually i want to cat * | sendmail -t |
| 02:44.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:44.51 | abrotman | damn you |
| 02:44.52 | unix_infidel | geo-rge: how much overhead would it be to move stuff in an out of a truecrypt virtual disk with 8gb of split up files? |
| 02:45.06 | abrotman | qiyong: for loop! |
| 02:45.20 | geo-rge | no idea, never did that or explored it |
| 02:45.51 | unix_infidel | seems like the quickest way to encrypt a backup. |
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| 02:46.40 | tarzeau | http://gnu.ethz.ch/art/propaganda/US%20P%20WW2%20What%20did%20you%20do%20today%20for%20freedom.jpg |
| 02:46.53 | abrotman | space user! |
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| 02:47.30 | qiyong | geo-rge, abrotman should this work? find new -exec "cat {} | wc" \; |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 02:47.51 | geo-rge | ditto |
| 02:47.59 | abrotman | or call a script |
| 02:48.04 | abrotman | with an argument obviously |
| 02:48.45 | qiyong | geo abrotman i get find: cat new/373 | wc: No such file or directory |
| 02:48.50 | geo-rge | you can check out info bash if you have the bash docs, for how quoting works |
| 02:49.05 | geo-rge | it would be a VERY GOOD thing for you to look at if you have not already |
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| 02:49.06 | qiyong | this is csh |
| 02:49.15 | geo-rge | oh, well... |
| 02:49.19 | cast | morning |
| 02:49.21 | geo-rge | nothing I can do about that :) |
| 02:50.31 | ricky | Just like how people cat file | less/grep/tail/other stuff :0 |
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| 02:51.31 | asg | !uuoc |
| 02:51.31 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 02:51.41 | ricky | Hehehe. |
| 02:51.42 | abrotman | ricky: i did that already |
| 02:51.46 | abrotman | ricky: see his comment after that |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | i'm not sure if sendmail -t can just take a file or not .. but i guess he could try |
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| 02:52.29 | abrotman | i guess .. why not .. just try it |
| 02:52.33 | ricky | Oh, whoops, missed that. |
| 02:53.41 | unix_infidel | geo-rge: dd copies free space as well right? |
| 02:55.51 | geo-rge | unix_infidel: dd is kinda like cat |
| 02:56.52 | unix_infidel | gotcha. |
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| 03:00.51 | Wettoad | there are a bunch of xcb files in debian now. Can you use either xcb or xlib?, Otherwise waht is their purpose? |
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| 03:15.10 | Bogus8 | what's the most light weight simplest way to send email via smtp in a bash script? |
| 03:15.14 | Bogus8 | like, which app |
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| 03:22.41 | ozatomic^ | how can i search a DIR for a filename that is not UTF-8 compliant |
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| 03:24.36 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic^: do you know the filename? |
| 03:25.12 | ozatomic^ | no |
| 03:25.16 | ozatomic^ | thats what i want to find out |
| 03:25.25 | ozatomic^ | its killing my svn and i can't find which file it is |
| 03:25.54 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic^: strace, and you should see which file it is |
| 03:26.07 | ozatomic^ | ? |
| 03:26.27 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic^: strace svn blah blah blah; and you'll see where aproximately it dies. |
| 03:26.58 | ozatomic^ | arh nice |
| 03:28.57 | dondelelcaro | you could also use iconv or perl to test if a filename is valid utf8 |
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| 03:29.19 | ozatomic^ | can i use pastebin to show u waht i get |
| 03:30.27 | dondelelcaro | something like find . |perl -Mutf8 -ne 'print $_ unless utf8::valid($_)'; may also work. |
| 03:30.48 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic^: sure |
| 03:30.50 | ozatomic^ | hmm |
| 03:30.54 | ozatomic^ | didn't find anything |
| 03:31.00 | ozatomic^ | 1min getting pastebin |
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| 03:32.31 | dondelelcaro | actually, that should be find . |perl -Mutf8 -ne 'print $_ unless utf8::decode($_)' |
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| 03:33.33 | ozatomic^ | http://www.pastebin.ca/SaV7DSAU Pass: Ahs67as |
| 03:34.44 | ozatomic^ | woohoo you foudn it |
| 03:35.09 | ozatomic^ | stupid '่' |
| 03:35.15 | geo-rge | ok... so now, the ram... I have a asus M2NPV-VM and 2g ram in 1g sticks... where to put them? (soimeone said it makes a difference) |
| 03:36.18 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: your motherboard manual will tell you if it does |
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| 03:36.29 | ozatomic^ | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 03:37.11 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic^: np |
| 03:37.14 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro I have these slots, they're orange/black/orange/black, and the processor is an amd64x2 |
| 03:37.35 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: yeah, it probably matters, but you'd have to read the motherboard manual to figure out which is the right place to stick them |
| 03:38.14 | Bogus8 | what's the most light weight simplest way to send email via smtp in a bash script? |
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| 03:39.03 | geo-rge | I guess by calling some part of your existing mail server |
| 03:39.07 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: call sendmail, mail, or mutt. The last is easiest, the first will work almost everywhere. |
| 03:39.35 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: how do you mean "everywhere" compared to what with others? |
| 03:39.55 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: the others require that mail or mutt be installed |
| 03:39.58 | geo-rge | portability across platform/unix flavor |
| 03:41.04 | gonzaloaf | hi,how can I configure the input audio device in amsn? |
| 03:41.52 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: so sendmail can require mail or mutt? |
| 03:42.21 | Bogus8 | I've seen mutt (and sendmail) mentioned a good bit... seems like mutt would be easy |
| 03:42.32 | Bogus8 | just as long as I can toss it in a script easily |
| 03:42.41 | Bogus8 | for errors and back ups and such |
| 03:43.57 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: sendmail is the basic interface to all MTAs |
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| 03:44.29 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: so sendmail is the most basic app to use? |
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| 03:44.47 | Bogus8 | too many damn options ;) |
| 03:45.24 | ozatomic^ | dondelelcaro: Hey the last file i can't mv it or anything, filename looks liek this "Getting Things Done the Y Way Presentation.ppt" |
| 03:45.41 | ozatomic^ | look sliek it got a doubel space but escapeing space twice doesn't work |
| 03:46.17 | dondelelcaro | ozatomic^: just do something like mv Gett* foo.ppt; |
| 03:46.40 | ozatomic^ | arh |
| 03:46.42 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: sendmail is the most fundamental. |
| 03:47.23 | ozatomic^ | dondelelcaro: life saver |
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| 03:55.05 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: btw, thanks! |
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| 03:55.40 | stiv2k | does anyone know how to configure the TV-out (S-video) on my laptop using nvidia |
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| 03:57.36 | mick_laptop | hi everyone - i was just at a friend's house and i saw that he has some app that autodetects if a drive is encrypted and automatically asks for a password and automatically mounts it (he has ubuntu) -- he said it came standard w/ it -- anyone know the name of that package? I'd like to install it on my box (obviously i'm running debian) |
| 03:57.39 | kenjy_ | guys what package change my gnome installation to spanish? (my gdm don't have the spanish language option, just english) |
| 03:57.53 | bjorkimacg3 | !dpkg gmake |
| 03:58.05 | kenjy_ | gjorkimacg3: gmake? |
| 03:58.10 | bjorkimacg3 | where the hell's gmake? |
| 03:58.13 | bjorkimacg3 | kenjy_, no. |
| 03:58.59 | lunk | bjorkimacg3: it's just a more verbose request to use gnu make |
| 03:59.10 | lunk | typically just make is perfect and already gnu make |
| 03:59.24 | kenjy_ | guys what package change my gnome installation to spanish? (my gdm don't have the spanish language option, just english) |
| 03:59.32 | bjorkimacg3 | yeah, but i can't find make |
| 03:59.37 | lunk | ah |
| 03:59.40 | bjorkimacg3 | a large part of the development environment is missing. |
| 03:59.44 | bjorkimacg3 | and apt-get doesn't know what make is. |
| 04:00.07 | lunk | it probably isn't doing anything because you already have it installed |
| 04:00.20 | bjorkimacg3 | i doubt it. |
| 04:00.22 | lunk | !dpkg make |
| 04:00.56 | bjorkimacg3 | oops. n/m |
| 04:01.23 | lunk | yea...it's standard ;) |
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| 04:04.44 | stiv2k | does anyone know how to configure the TV-out (S-video) on my laptop using nvidia |
| 04:05.02 | mick_laptop | oh my... i asked in #ubuntu and well... the quality of the conversation is umm... lacking |
| 04:06.37 | dondelelcaro | stiv2k: best thing to do is check google; you'll have to specify a resolution that the tv out can drive, and then enable that output. |
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| 04:06.57 | stiv2k | yeah on windows xp it only allows 800x600 or 1024x768 |
| 04:07.24 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's because it has to convert it to ntsc |
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| 04:07.31 | dondelelcaro | (or pal or whatever you're using) |
| 04:07.43 | stiv2k | umm |
| 04:07.45 | stiv2k | NTSC? |
| 04:07.48 | stiv2k | i live in florida |
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| 04:09.01 | mick_laptop | stiv2k: yes |
| 04:09.23 | mick_laptop | i'm pretty certain since i'm in florida myself :) |
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| 04:15.36 | nvz | dondelelcaro: someone was asking a strange question about package status last night.. if old removed packages could be removed from the status file and not show up in dpkg -l, I thought maybe you'd know about that.. |
| 04:15.43 | nvz | personally I don't see what the point is |
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| 04:16.19 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah they could, but there's no real point. |
| 04:16.34 | nvz | dondelelcaro: would you do it manually or what? |
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| 04:20.22 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yeah |
| 04:21.17 | nvz | dondelelcaro: I wasnt sure exactly how all that worked and if manually editing the status file would muck something up |
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| 04:22.10 | onats | hi, will the ff specs be enough for a debian installation? Sempron 1.2 GHz 128mb RAM |
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| 04:22.48 | nvz | heh |
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| 04:23.16 | nvz | you can install debian on like a 486 w/ 64mb |
| 04:23.28 | nvz | you wont be doing much.. but still |
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| 04:23.47 | NiLon | I have debian in 400MHz with just 20MB ram :) |
| 04:24.05 | dondelelcaro | onats: yeah; it'll work fine. You'd probably want to put more ram in it if you can get it, but otherwise, not a big deal |
| 04:24.17 | NiLon | there's over half or those memory "sticks" broken but anyway, it runs fine in my use |
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| 04:24.44 | onats | dondelelcaro, just helping out a friend. i dont think he'll be able to find ram for it... |
| 04:24.51 | onats | nilon, are you using X with it? |
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| 04:25.08 | NiLon | noup, but 128MB is also fine for that |
| 04:25.14 | NiLon | it's not rocket but hey :) |
| 04:25.28 | onats | nilon, alright.. trying to convince him to move out of windows too |
| 04:25.30 | onats | heheh |
| 04:25.42 | dondelelcaro | oh. it'll definetly be better than windows |
| 04:26.09 | onats | the thing is, this guy's a graphic artist.. so am still looking for an alternative for his photoshop |
| 04:26.14 | onats | i guess gimp will do |
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| 04:27.09 | smacnay | Hi, I am looking at either fluxbox or openbox for a smaller footprint wm... any recommendations? |
| 04:27.43 | dondelelcaro | smacnay: either will work. ion3 or wmii is also another choice |
| 04:28.31 | smacnay | dondelelcaro: thanks I will look those up and see what they are all about |
| 04:29.44 | mick_laptop | so much for usbmount |
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| 04:29.58 | mick_laptop | usbmount - automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices -- define "automatically" :) |
| 04:30.10 | mick_laptop | or do i need to restart for this to take effect? |
| 04:30.13 | Greyscale__ | Why does my box freeze when its installing debian saying "Installing and retrieving kernel"? |
| 04:30.28 | Greyscale__ | Its a pentium 4, so its not like a 486 going "aieieeee, 686 D:" |
| 04:30.49 | Greyscale__ | I even tried ubuntu *gasp* |
| 04:30.51 | Greyscale__ | same fault |
| 04:31.26 | onats | greyscale, you might want to check your optical drive |
| 04:31.42 | onats | i encountered a problem installing debian/ubuntu on a machine, but the fault was the CD rom |
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| 04:38.47 | mick_laptop | hmmm cryptmount isn't doing it for me either |
| 04:38.58 | mick_laptop | i'll restart |
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| 04:57.01 | mzb_d800 | bjorkimacg3: # apt-get install build-essential |
| 04:59.12 | onats | how do i enable traffic across port 5060? netstat -lnup gives 0.0.0.0:5060 |
| 04:59.41 | stoned | how many passes does e2fsck do on anfs? |
| 05:00.01 | stoned | its 750gb disk, and im at pass 5 |
| 05:00.06 | gonzaloaf | hi, can I set a limit of transfer rate in apache? |
| 05:00.08 | stoned | I should've done a verbose output |
| 05:00.55 | onats | !e2fsck |
| 05:01.39 | smacnay_ | Is there a command or program that will run another process for a certain amout of time? |
| 05:02.06 | stoned | !fsck |
| 05:02.06 | dpkg | hmm... fsck is a file system integrity checker, or a visually-similar euphemism for fuck |
| 05:02.42 | onats | lol |
| 05:02.47 | onats | !fuck |
| 05:02.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fuck is cool |
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| 05:03.31 | squisher | what controls if 'update-grub' gets called after I install a new kernel? menu.lst used to get generated automatically, but for a while now it's not doing that anymore |
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| 05:05.26 | onats | irreducibilis, try it |
| 05:05.43 | Irreducibilis | !ohmy |
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| 05:05.58 | glguy | Would anyone happen to know of a liveCD for lenny or sid from some point in the not so distant future? (I'm interested to see what the hardware support might look like before I commit to repartitioning this drive) |
| 05:06.15 | Irreducibilis | !ohmy | onats |
| 05:06.17 | wols | squisher: the dpkg postinst calls it |
| 05:06.23 | onats | doesnt work here |
| 05:06.26 | Irreducibilis | hm |
| 05:06.29 | wols | there is a option in menu.lst or /etc, don't remember where |
| 05:06.40 | onats | !pussy |
| 05:06.41 | dpkg | Read: onats |
| 05:06.46 | onats | nyahahah |
| 05:06.48 | onats | dammit |
| 05:06.56 | squisher | wols: I'm reading through that right now, but I can't figure out what could be set to cause it to not call 'update-grub' |
| 05:07.00 | wols | githere is no install CD for sid or lenny. there never is for unstable or testing |
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| 05:07.30 | glguy | wols: I was hoping that there was a less official one maintained somewhere perhaps on a weekly basis |
| 05:07.44 | stiv2k | how do you enlarge all your icons in gnome? |
| 05:07.58 | comsa | :) |
| 05:08.09 | stiv2k | im talking about the icons on the desktop |
| 05:11.09 | squisher | wols: hmm, update-grub is not mentioned in there, and the code to determine 'loader_exec' doesn't look like it would ever result in update-grub... so has this functionality simply been removed? Btw, this is from a make-kpkg created kernel. |
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| 05:11.47 | rokra | Hello |
| 05:12.17 | rokra | Someone know where I can find information ( or if someone can explain me) the diff betwwen all the new kernel ( bigmem, vserver, xen...) ? |
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| 05:16.42 | gonzaloaf | hi, do you know how can I connect to the ares network from debian? |
| 05:18.05 | squisher | rokra: doesn't the description tell you? ie. run an apt-cache show <kernel-in-question> |
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| 05:21.58 | rokra | squisher: no more information I already did it |
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| 05:26.27 | rage | Has anyone here had any sucess running an Intel 855GM on xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.1.1, if so can you send me your xorg.conf? :-) |
| 05:29.17 | squisher | rokra: use google then (well, not for bigmem but it should be obvious (-: ) |
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| 05:34.42 | vandle | yo i need a little help installing a kernel |
| 05:34.54 | vandle | im tyring to do it without creating a .deb |
| 05:35.26 | vandle | not working out during bootup |
| 05:36.22 | vandle | i my /boot/grub/menu.lst file i have exactly the same as you would for any other distro |
| 05:37.42 | vandle | ? |
| 05:38.00 | vandle | 731 people in here and nobody around, heh |
| 05:38.16 | peterS | we're waiting for you to finish |
| 05:38.20 | peterS | you haven't actually told us what is going wrong, yet |
| 05:38.22 | vandle | oh |
| 05:38.43 | peterS | "not working out" isn't a lot of information |
| 05:38.51 | vandle | VFS: Cannot open root devide sda1 or unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 05:39.06 | peterS | ahh - that's not grub's problem, that's the kernel's problem |
| 05:39.24 | vandle | what about it |
| 05:39.34 | peterS | the kernel thinks its root filesystem should be /dev/sda1, but for one reason or another it can't mount that |
| 05:40.13 | vandle | well it should |
| 05:40.23 | vandle | the only thing im doing differently is not using the regular debian method |
| 05:40.32 | peterS | this could be due to any of various things: (1) /dev/sda1 isn't the correct filesystem in the first place.... (2) the kernel doesn't have the right drivers for your SCSI or SATA card.... (3) your device is seen as /dev/hda instead of /dev/sda because you're using the old-style IDE drivers instead of the new-style libata drivers..... |
| 05:40.56 | vandle | well everything is pretty much the exact same |
| 05:41.01 | vandle | the only thing i changed was sound |
| 05:41.07 | peterS | now (2) might also be caused by you building a kernel that uses modules and needs an initrd, but you didn't generate the initrd, or you didn't tell grub to load it |
| 05:41.08 | vandle | and not using kpkg |
| 05:41.32 | vandle | i did make bzImage modules modules_install bzlilo |
| 05:42.20 | vandle | filesystem is supported by the kernel |
| 05:42.25 | peterS | if I were to guess, I'd think it's most likely that you are using a SATA hard drive, you didn't comiple in the appropriate SATA driver (why not? if you're custom-compiling your kernel, may as well include that built-in), and didn't generate an initrd |
| 05:42.59 | vandle | nah dude, same everything as before |
| 05:43.13 | vandle | same kernel config besides sound |
| 05:43.19 | peterS | make-kpkg takes care of generating the initrd for you |
| 05:43.25 | peterS | since you aren't using that, you have to do that yourself |
| 05:43.50 | vandle | well why do i need an initrd image, i dont need to set that for other distros |
| 05:44.07 | peterS | I don't know. if you built a kernel that doesn't need one, then you won't have this problem in the first place |
| 05:44.19 | peterS | you are the one who built this kernel, so you should know whether you need one |
| 05:44.54 | peterS | it has to do with whether the kernel, without any modules loaded, has the appropriate drivers needed to find and mount the root filesystem from /dev/sda1 |
| 05:45.18 | peterS | and that of course depends on what options you selected before compiling the kernel. which you know and I don't. |
| 05:45.33 | vandle | well im pretty sure i have absolutely no modules |
| 05:45.36 | vandle | i dont do modules |
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| 05:46.17 | peterS | then you won't use an initrd either. and the problem is almost certainly leaving out some kernel configure option. |
| 05:46.44 | peterS | well ... unless the problem was that first thing I mentioned, that /dev/sda1 isn't even the correct root filesystem |
| 05:47.46 | vandle | ive ran into this same error before |
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| 05:47.50 | vandle | and it was just a simple grub problem |
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| 05:48.18 | peterS | shrug. don't believe me, then |
| 05:48.28 | vandle | heh |
| 05:48.43 | peterS | the kernel can't mount the root filesystem. that is your symptom. |
| 05:49.00 | peterS | this can be caused by it being told to mount the _wrong_ filesystem, or it can be caused by its inability to find the device in question |
| 05:49.21 | peterS | the first is a grub problem (telling the kernel what device to use), the second is a kernel problem |
| 05:49.26 | peterS | it's up to you to eliminate causes |
| 05:50.08 | peterS | check the rest of the boot log to see whether the kernel seems to have found your SATA controller and disk |
| 05:50.59 | peterS | (I'm assuming this is SATA, as parallel ATA chips didn't use the /dev/sd names until recent kernels, and SCSI drives are more rare for people asking questions in #debian) |
| 05:51.28 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 05:53.38 | vandle | i dont see how it can be SATA problem |
| 05:53.46 | vandle | its the exact same config as before |
| 05:53.50 | peterS | you keep saying that |
| 05:53.58 | peterS | but repeating it doesn't help |
| 05:54.14 | peterS | clearly something is going wrong. rather than go on and on about how you didn't change anything, why not actually investigate |
| 05:54.47 | vandle | i dont know why you say that though |
| 05:54.50 | vandle | if i said i didnt change anything |
| 05:54.51 | peterS | start with reading your boot log to see, as I said a few minutes ago, whether the kernel seems to have found your controller and disk |
| 05:54.52 | vandle | and it worked before |
| 05:55.02 | \amethyst | vandle: when you say exact same config... |
| 05:55.07 | peterS | if you refuse to investigate, there is nothing, I repeat, nothing, we can do to help |
| 05:55.11 | \amethyst | vandle: did you upgrade the kernel or udev? |
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| 05:55.33 | peterS | \amethyst: I don't see how udev enters into this. he isn't using modules or an initrd |
| 05:55.44 | \amethyst | peterS: ah, no initrd, missed that part |
| 05:55.51 | vandle | its the same kernel as before, i just added something and want to do this platform independent |
| 05:55.51 | peterS | so udev has no chance to screw anything up here (: |
| 05:56.06 | \amethyst | added something? |
| 05:56.10 | diazepam | hi guys can anyone send me a link on how to set up a tap device (i need to bridge my eth0 to tap so i can get OpenVPN to send SMB packets) |
| 05:56.18 | rage | Okay, this is strange, I'm running 855GM, when running Driver "vesa" it works fine, however when running Drive "intel", my lcds backlight turns off, basically its impossible to see anything. |
| 05:56.19 | peterS | vandle: every time you repeat "I didn't change anything, it is the same" instead of actually _looking_ at your system to see what went wrong, you are wasting your time and ours |
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| 05:56.52 | vandle | nah dude, you just dont understand |
| 05:57.04 | peterS | you are the one who doesn't understand |
| 05:57.07 | peterS | you are giving us nothing to work with |
| 05:57.08 | vandle | nah |
| 05:57.13 | psyche_ | hey... |
| 05:57.16 | psyche_ | i have stupid question |
| 05:57.17 | vandle | you keep telling me shit that has nothing to do with it |
| 05:57.18 | rage | Is there an xorg option for setting screen brightness? |
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| 05:57.20 | psyche_ | where i can change charset? |
| 05:57.23 | peterS | I say "look at your system, get some information about what happens at boot time" |
| 05:57.26 | peterS | and you refuse to even look |
| 05:57.30 | rage | or backlight presence |
| 05:57.32 | peterS | you refuse to try to figure this out at all |
| 05:57.37 | peterS | thus I cannot help you, and neither can anyone else |
| 05:57.41 | vandle | tell me this then |
| 05:57.44 | peterS | never mind, I have other things to do |
| 05:57.45 | vandle | why would it be different |
| 05:57.51 | vandle | if im using the same config |
| 05:58.08 | \amethyst | vandle: is it possible the kernel is enumerating devices in a different order? |
| 05:58.15 | peterS | go away, dude. you refuse to try to fix your system. you only want the rest of us, who know nothing about your system, to tell you an answer we cannot possibly know |
| 05:58.30 | peterS | you are the ONLY ONE who can get the information I am asking you to get |
| 05:58.44 | psyche_ | hey... |
| 05:58.47 | psyche_ | can someone help me? |
| 05:58.47 | peterS | instead, you sit here and say "I didn't change anything", wasting our time |
| 05:58.58 | peterS | plonk |
| 05:59.10 | vandle | nah |
| 05:59.24 | vandle | i remember before |
| 05:59.28 | vandle | you didnt help very well |
| 05:59.30 | vandle | and someone else did |
| 05:59.36 | vandle | then i got it because of them |
| 05:59.49 | vandle | you just suck at helping |
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| 06:00.04 | peterS | you can waste some other channel's ti9me |
| 06:00.05 | peterS | time |
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| 06:00.26 | diazepam | right now that we have that out of our system |
| 06:00.43 | Guerin | peterS might suck at helping, but he's got a dead-eye for the +b |
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| 06:01.10 | peterS | Guerin: you didn't catch the beginning of this, but I guess you saw enough. he refused to do _anything_ at all other than go on and on about how he didn't change his kernel and it should work |
| 06:01.19 | Guerin | go on, do a loldude with a cowboy hat and a pistol |
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| 06:01.26 | Guerin | peterS: yeh. |
| 06:01.31 | peterS | he didn't seem interested in figuring out why his system broke, he just wanted us to tell him why |
| 06:01.43 | liable | hah |
| 06:01.48 | Guerin | `bcoz of teh magics' |
| 06:02.04 | Guerin | liable: have you been watching that new ARC? |
| 06:02.11 | GarryFre | what? We aren't part of phn? Psychic helper's network? |
| 06:02.17 | liable | Guerin: arc? |
| 06:02.24 | rage | hrmmm, oh well back to vesa mode |
| 06:02.29 | Guerin | liable: http://www.abc.net.au/sport/rugby_union/arc/ |
| 06:02.38 | peterS | GarryFre: and we aren't tapped into government surveillance so we can read his screen |
| 06:02.41 | liable | oh, no actually |
| 06:02.50 | Guerin | liable: you should, it's bloody good |
| 06:03.04 | GarryFre | peterS Rofl. :) |
| 06:03.05 | liable | Guerin: gonna be in scotland during the world cup, might head on over to france |
| 06:03.16 | Guerin | liable: argh, you lucky bastard. |
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| 06:03.35 | Guerin | you know you can still get a ticket for the grand final ... only โฌ3k |
| 06:03.43 | liable | yikes |
| 06:03.50 | blackgoth | moin |
| 06:04.09 | pickcoder | just because he didn't use modules doesn't mean the driver code didn't change |
| 06:05.02 | peterS | pickcoder: we had to take his word for a lot of things. among these, that he is building the same kernel version, that he really didn't change anything, that he didn't build with a broken compiler.... |
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| 06:05.13 | gonzaloaf | hi, I have installed apollon and the gift -res plugin but I cant connect to any network, any clue? |
| 06:05.33 | nvz | wth is a gift -res plugin? |
| 06:05.54 | pickcoder | I get to build my first uATX box this week |
| 06:06.03 | GarryFre | I remember building a kernel using the .config file that came with it, and guess what, the result didn't match. Sometimes, ppl forget to update things. |
| 06:06.17 | pickcoder | I hope Etch likes the stuff I bought |
| 06:06.20 | nvz | afaik the only fully functional network packages for gift are libopenft-gift and libgnutella, in debian. there is ares and fasttrack available else where |
| 06:06.23 | psyche_ | HEY! can someone tell me where i can change charset? |
| 06:06.46 | pickcoder | psyche_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:06.56 | pickcoder | then check /etc/environment |
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| 06:07.38 | psyche_ | thanks |
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| 06:09.07 | vlt | Hello. H |
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| 06:10.42 | psyche_ | ... |
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| 06:10.58 | vlt | What is the safest way to unmount an NFS share when the server has gone? |
| 06:10.59 | psyche_ | pickcoder my website is still showing ä as "blocks" |
| 06:11.48 | pickcoder | your browser is rendering it |
| 06:11.53 | pickcoder | are you using a GUI |
| 06:12.14 | psyche_ | no |
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| 06:12.31 | pickcoder | what does env show for your language |
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| 06:12.46 | psyche_ | LANG="fi_FI@euro" |
| 06:13.37 | psyche_ | it doesnt matter what i choose |
| 06:13.41 | psyche_ | its always same |
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| 06:14.00 | pickcoder | did you reboot? |
| 06:14.21 | psyche_ | oh... |
| 06:14.22 | psyche_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.13 | pickcoder | make sure /etc/environment is correct |
| 06:15.17 | pickcoder | brb |
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| 06:15.38 | Wyzard | Is there a way to specify a bind-mount in /etc/fstab? |
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| 06:16.17 | peterS | Wyzard: from my fstab: /data/home /home none bind 0 0 |
| 06:16.53 | Wyzard | peterS: That's map to "mount -o bind" rather than "mount --bind"... it works anyway? |
| 06:17.16 | Wyzard | peterS: cool, it does, thanks |
| 06:17.24 | peterS | yeah it does |
| 06:17.43 | psyche_ | pickcoder i dont know what i should choose |
| 06:17.54 | psyche_ | i have iso-8895-1 as my content charset |
| 06:18.02 | psyche_ | in web header |
| 06:18.13 | peterS | psyche_: right, which shouldn't matter anyway, since you're using HTML entities |
| 06:18.17 | psyche_ | and /etc/environment shows LANG="iso-8895-1" |
| 06:18.45 | peterS | I mean, if you say ä instead of ไ in your HTML file, the browser shouldn't have to care about the Content-Type |
| 06:18.46 | psyche_ | well it doesnt matter wich charset i choose |
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| 06:20.25 | smacnay_ | Is there a command or program that will run another process for a certain amout of time? |
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| 06:22.29 | peterS | and then what, kill it? not that I know of, though it wouldn't be a hard script to write |
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| 06:23.41 | sebdah | How may I have find to exclude /tmp during a search? |
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| 06:24.38 | peterS | \( -wholename /tmp -prune \) -o |
| 06:25.04 | peterS | in fact, without \( \) is supposed to work too, but I am never sure about precedence in find so I generally use them |
| 06:26.12 | L0cKn | hi all :) |
| 06:26.27 | sebdah | thanks peterS! |
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| 06:47.00 | janttsu | what's happened to cdimage.debian.org? Can't find any daily built images.. |
| 06:47.18 | Wyzard | I was wondering about that too |
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| 06:48.09 | janttsu | and the weekly builds are from 28-May |
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| 06:54.36 | vlt | Hello. Can I change the geometry of a running xvnc(4)server or is there a client that can scale a larger screen down? |
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| 06:55.46 | wolfiR_ | is there some kind of howto or good example how to build a deb package from a binary package? |
| 06:55.51 | Wyzard | vlt: xrandr is the tool for changing the resolution of a running X server, but I don't know whether Xvnc supports it |
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| 06:56.53 | k-man_ | damn, i just did make mrproper not realising it deletes .config |
| 06:57.02 | k-man_ | does it back it up at all? |
| 06:57.39 | Wyzard | k-man: No, but you can find the config of your running kernel in /proc/config.gz |
| 06:58.04 | GarryFre | I did the same thing ages ago k-man |
| 06:58.21 | k-man_ | Wyzard: great, thanks |
| 06:58.23 | Wyzard | k-man: and Debian's make-kpkg tool (which is a frontend to the kernel build process, that makes a .deb of the compiled kernel) does preserve .config when it cleans the tree |
| 06:58.46 | k-man_ | Wyzard: yeah, i was using make-kpkg |
| 06:58.59 | Wyzard | k-man: Do "make-kpkg clean" then |
| 06:59.10 | k-man_ | i dunno why i did the make mrproper... |
| 06:59.17 | k-man_ | i saw some forum post that suggested it |
| 06:59.24 | k-man_ | should have read more closely before doing it |
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| 07:01.09 | vlt | Wyzard: Thank you. I'll try (and report). |
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| 07:03.01 | vlt | Running `xrandr` in an Xvnc session -> Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":2.0". |
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| 07:05.01 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 07:05.02 | Wyzard | vlt: Looks like you can't do it, then |
| 07:05.45 | Siddharta | whaouh this is a special upgrade day for me , more than 80 package to upgrade this morning |
| 07:06.21 | vlt | Wyzard: Yes, that was just the report part of my question ;-) |
| 07:08.17 | sebdah | cd /j #linux |
| 07:08.24 | sebdah | oops =) |
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| 07:09.31 | vlt | Hello. An NFS server has gone and will not be up for the next hours. How can I unmount the share w/o causing serious trouble on the client (Sarge)? |
| 07:10.43 | k-man_ | so i'm trying to compile a kernel with the latest v4l stuff, but the compile fails with this error: In file included from include/linux/kexec.h:8, from init/initramfs.c:508: |
| 07:10.46 | k-man_ | include/linux/compat.h:8:5: warning: "LINUX_VERSION_CODE" is not defined |
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| 07:16.47 | liable | what the hell is he doing |
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| 07:17.50 | cydork | damn bots! |
| 07:17.52 | liable | bots |
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| 07:19.08 | thanks` | thanks cydork :D |
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| 07:19.23 | liable | asshole |
| 07:19.39 | streuner_ | Don't feed! |
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| 07:20.13 | streuner_ | thanks peterS |
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| 07:20.26 | cydork | !beer peterS |
| 07:20.32 | peterS | with apologies to any legitimate users with usernames of quux or seanw |
| 07:20.40 | kloeri | aww, now you've banned the staffers being impersonated as well :) |
| 07:20.44 | psyche_ | i have problems again with charset |
| 07:20.55 | eth01 | heh |
| 07:21.00 | janttsu | do you when cdimage.debian.org will be working again? |
| 07:21.00 | psyche_ | so... |
| 07:21.05 | janttsu | *do you know |
| 07:23.08 | streuner_ | zerberus:/# ping -c1 cdimage.debian.org |
| 07:23.15 | streuner_ | 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 07:23.46 | psyche_ | what charset should i choose that ไ and ๖ works? |
| 07:24.05 | psyche_ | i have open source forum installed and i cant change ไ and ๖ into entitites |
| 07:24.12 | streuner_ | umlauts are supported by german charsets |
| 07:24.30 | peterS | honestly, fi_FI@euro (which I guess you are already using) should work. |
| 07:24.30 | psyche_ | i need finnish charset now |
| 07:24.35 | psyche_ | but fi_FI@euro doesnt work |
| 07:24.42 | psyche_ | peterS not working... |
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| 07:24.56 | psyche_ | ไ and ๖ are still "bloks" |
| 07:25.04 | Wyzard | psyche_: UTF-8 is generally the preferred encoding for things in Linux |
| 07:25.41 | Wyzard | psyche_: since Unicode is a superset of all the other character sets |
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| 07:26.34 | psyche_ | i try fi_UTF-8 then |
| 07:26.59 | Wyzard | It'd be fi_FI.UTF-8, most likely |
| 07:27.17 | Wyzard | fi_UTF-8 would be Finnish in a country named UTF-8 :-) |
| 07:27.41 | psyche_ | "T.nne" it should be "Tไnne" |
| 07:27.45 | psyche_ | still sucks |
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| 07:29.00 | Wyzard | Look at the encoding setting in your browser (probably on the View) menu |
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| 07:29.12 | Wyzard | If it's not UTF-8, the forum software isn't sending the right encoding |
| 07:29.26 | peanut | hi I added the following line to /etc/fstab: UUID=ad42... /mnt/bdisk1 auto rw 0 0 |
| 07:29.50 | peanut | basically I want this specific hard disk to be mounted on /mnt/bdisk1 at any time |
| 07:30.01 | peanut | but when I reboot the machine it is not mounted |
| 07:30.03 | peanut | any idea? |
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| 07:30.22 | janttsu | peanut: add it to /etc/fstab |
| 07:30.23 | Wyzard | peanut: Run "mount /mnt/bdisk1" and see what error messages you get |
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| 07:30.40 | Wyzard | janttsu: He already did |
| 07:31.01 | janttsu | oh, right |
| 07:31.17 | peanut | thx it works now |
| 07:31.28 | peanut | I first had the option noauto in /etc/fstab.... |
| 07:31.30 | peanut | stupid :) |
| 07:31.33 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 07:32.01 | peanut | I really like this UID thing, is it part of udev? |
| 07:32.08 | peanut | s/UID/UUID |
| 07:32.42 | Wyzard | It uses the symlinks in /dev/disk/by-uuid/, which are managed by udev |
| 07:33.00 | peanut | ok thx |
| 07:33.02 | Wyzard | but I think the UUID-mounting feature might have been around before udev, implemented in a different way |
| 07:33.03 | Wyzard | not sure though |
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| 07:52.41 | kemistor | anyone know how to get beryl working? |
| 07:52.57 | liable | the beryl wiki does |
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| 07:53.22 | kemistor | !tell kemistor about beryl |
| 07:53.37 | liable | !tell kemistor about selftell |
| 07:54.17 | goodtod | does anybody know what the --config allyesconfig option of make-kpkg does? |
| 07:54.40 | liable | probably makes it compile everything |
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| 07:54.59 | liable | sure the man page mentions it |
| 07:55.15 | goodtod | liable: nah, i'm looking in there. it gives all the options put doesnt explain them |
| 07:55.18 | bonez39 | I am seeking others here using Win4Lin...anyone? |
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| 07:55.35 | cast | bonez39: wth is that |
| 07:55.57 | bonez39 | cast: it's a VM, virtual machine to allow running windows ... on a linux machine... |
| 07:56.02 | goodtod | liable: do you know the one that just used the .config file? is it just 'config'? |
| 07:56.04 | bonez39 | concurrently with linux session |
| 07:56.31 | bonez39 | cast: I am having a bit of trouble with my installation..of win4lin |
| 07:56.43 | liable | goodtod: just run kpkg without any --config options |
| 07:56.58 | kemistor | you need kde to run beryl? |
| 07:57.01 | cast | bonez39: oh, well, i've had good experience with vmware gsx aka server, thought i can't recommend it since its closed source... |
| 07:57.07 | liable | goodtod: and its .config, yeah |
| 07:57.18 | xlotlu | i love the debian people... submitted a request to wnpp and now it's packaged |
| 07:57.19 | cast | bonez39: that evidently doesn't bother you though as you want to run windows, :) |
| 07:57.25 | liable | kemistor: you can run it with gnome, kde, xfce |
| 07:57.38 | bonez39 | cast: I only have ONE program..that I cant seem to get working on WINE..so I run win4lin to run this one chiropractic management program |
| 07:57.40 | wols | kemistor: no |
| 07:58.20 | wols | bonez39: maybe you should start asking your question finally (even if it's probably OT) |
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| 07:59.07 | cast | bonez39: you are aware that itll run in vmware aren't you...it is probably the most developed proprietary vm solution |
| 08:00.00 | cast | kind of sucks how many people still write code only targetting one OS :| [i wonder how much VB is to blame for that] |
| 08:00.33 | wols | not VB's blame |
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| 08:02.23 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 08:03.30 | gypsymauro | I've installed a cron for root user (and I c it doing crontab -l) but it doesn't starts it's specified as 1 0 * * * /myscript.sh I've permission on that file for execution and if I run it manually it works.. is cron disabled for root user? |
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| 08:04.06 | liable | wtf is 'trivial-rewrite'? |
| 08:04.24 | Supaplex|roaming | sounds like a postfix thread |
| 08:04.32 | liable | ah |
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| 08:04.39 | wols | the reason DOS worked the way it did was so one could use a "compiler" to convert cpm 808 programs to 8088 btw. so even back then programs were written for only one OS |
| 08:05.00 | Supaplex|roaming | liable: run whatis trivial-rewrite and see if it says anything. |
| 08:05.23 | liable | Supaplex|roaming: yup, ta |
| 08:05.46 | Supaplex|roaming | gypsymauro: check syslog. it should mail root@ on any errors. |
| 08:06.00 | cast | gypsymauro: so the minute after midnight each 24 hours it didn't run? there's /etc/cron.daily/ too btw :) |
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| 08:07.00 | goodtod | liable: no matter what option i pass --config it seems to write over my .cofnig every time |
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| 08:07.12 | liable | goodtod: dont use --config |
| 08:07.29 | goodtod | liable: tried that too... :\ |
| 08:07.30 | cast | Supaplex|roaming: no need to change what he said...$ wtf is 'trivial-rewrite' :D |
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| 08:08.04 | liable | goodtod: if you have a proper .config that has all options relevant for the kernel version, it shouldnt touch it |
| 08:08.09 | Supaplex|roaming | cast: a clever shell function could alias that to whatis. :) |
| 08:08.17 | cast | Supaplex|roaming: its in bsdgames, |
| 08:08.27 | Supaplex|roaming | haha |
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| 08:08.50 | liable | heh |
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| 08:09.02 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.02 | apt | okay, cast |
| 08:09.03 | cast | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 08:09.07 | cast | hah. |
| 08:09.33 | Supaplex|roaming | apt: forget $ wtf |
| 08:09.33 | apt | i forgot $ wtf, Supaplex|roaming |
| 08:09.41 | liable | !lose me |
| 08:09.41 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
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| 08:13.11 | cast | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/LinuxDistroTimeline.png nice diagram of all the distros in time |
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| 08:16.40 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:16.57 | Trewas | a slight bug in that graph, kubuntu etc ubuntu variants don't really count as separate distros because the only difference is what packages are installed by default |
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| 08:20.12 | dondelelcaro | they're part of the same project, but distributed separately |
| 08:20.31 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just installed Debian onto a USB Memory Key and it works fine. The problem: When I move the key to another computer, the network LAN adapter is not installed - even though it is automatically installed when I install Linux on it's harddrive. Dosn't Debian do some sort of hardware auto detection when it starts so "new" components are installed ? |
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| 08:21.57 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: uh... are you sure it's not installed? |
| 08:21.58 | Wyzard | Jemt: Yes, udev does that, but it also gives interfaces consistent names based on their MAC address |
| 08:22.07 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: have you checked ifconfig -a? |
| 08:22.30 | Wyzard | Jemt: so when you move the key to a new machine with a different network card, that network card is called eth1, because eth0 is reserved for the first machine's network card |
| 08:22.34 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Oh, that could be why. I'll give that a try :) |
| 08:22.42 | Wyzard | Jemt: but your configuration in /etc/network/interfaces is for eth0, not eth1 |
| 08:22.42 | Jemt | Wyzard: Ah! |
| 08:22.44 | dondelelcaro | (and installed really is the wrong word; you're talking about detected and supported) |
| 08:22.46 | Jemt | Makes sense :D |
| 08:23.23 | Wyzard | Jemt: See /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 08:23.31 | Jemt | Wyzard: Okay :) |
| 08:24.17 | wols | a1 |
| 08:24.25 | Jemt | Hm, is it possible to have eth0 overridden ? So eth0 is always used |
| 08:24.28 | Dominik[HTN] | Hi, today is the 27.08. how can i trigger find that it shows all files which was written on the disk on 26.08 ? |
| 08:24.44 | dondelelcaro | Jemt: just change z25_persistent_net_generator appropriately in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 08:25.01 | Jemt | dondelelcaro: Okay, I'll check it out :) |
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| 08:25.55 | Wyzard | Jemt: Even with the persistent names disabled, you could run into problems if you boot on a machine that has more than one network card, and the one that happens to get the name "eth0" isn't the one the cable is plugged into |
| 08:26.13 | Wyzard | Jemt: You might want to remove the eth0 entry from /etc/network/interfaces and use NetworkManager instead |
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| 08:26.21 | gypsymauro | a question, with find how can I search files that has been created 3 days ago? there is atime and ctime but I'm not sure which one to be used |
| 08:26.26 | wols | just have several ethX listet in interfaces, all using DHCP |
| 08:26.44 | wols | gypsymauro: ctime. ctime = creation time |
| 08:26.55 | wols | atime = last accessed time |
| 08:27.02 | wols | mtime: modified time |
| 08:27.22 | gypsymauro | wols: ctime is change time or at least it seems to be reading man |
| 08:27.43 | gypsymauro | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.43 | gypsymauro | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.50 | Wyzard | I don't think creation time is recorded anywhere, oddly enough |
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| 08:28.46 | cast | ctime would be handy, |
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| 08:29.03 | Jemt | Wyzard: Yes, ofcause - great idea. I'll do that |
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| 08:29.23 | DustyBin | if one is logged in as root and one wants to execute a command as a user without actually logging in as the user, what can one do? |
| 08:29.30 | Wyzard | DustyBin: su <username> |
| 08:29.38 | DustyBin | no without logging in as the user |
| 08:29.52 | gypsymauro | ctime = file status changed , mtime = file data changed , what's the difference? |
| 08:29.53 | cast | DustyBin: well read man su then |
| 08:29.53 | Wyzard | DustyBin: su <user> -c "<command>" |
| 08:29.59 | wols | a1a1you're right about ctime gypsymauro |
| 08:30.07 | DustyBin | aye :D |
| 08:30.11 | wols | too bad |
| 08:30.16 | Wyzard | DustyBin: but just running a shell as that user isn't really "logging in" |
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| 08:30.26 | DustyBin | the problem i got is this |
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| 08:30.52 | DustyBin | im running the mod_include module on my apache server and im executing commands within a .html document |
| 08:31.14 | DustyBin | one of those commands is: |
| 08:31.17 | DustyBin | <!--#exec cmd="/usr/bin/uptime"--> |
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| 08:31.23 | ameyer | im in ur htmlz executing ur commandz... |
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| 08:31.39 | DustyBin | im not sure what user that command would be executed by? |
| 08:31.53 | jelly-home | DustyBin: the one apache's running as |
| 08:31.58 | Wyzard | DustyBin: www-data, the user that apache runs as |
| 08:32.01 | DustyBin | www-data? |
| 08:32.05 | DustyBin | thats ok then |
| 08:32.16 | DustyBin | for some reason i thought maybe they would be running as root |
| 08:32.26 | wols | ,, |
| 08:32.41 | DustyBin | would you guys say im pretty safe executing commands within .html ? |
| 08:32.48 | liable | wols: get the cat off the keyboard |
| 08:33.05 | jelly-home | Dominik[HTN]: -daystart and -ctime options |
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| 08:33.53 | DustyBin | <!--#exec cmd="/usr/bin/reboot"--> <-- im also going to include this so i can reboot my server |
| 08:34.04 | wols | liable: it's a folder |
| 08:34.22 | Wyzard | DustyBin: That won't work unless it's run as root |
| 08:34.36 | liable | wols: feed it then, its obviously hungry and just being there to get attention |
| 08:34.36 | Wyzard | DustyBin: and being able to reboot a server by loading a web page from it is a bad idea |
| 08:34.49 | DustyBin | the web page is password protected using mod_digest |
| 08:35.39 | DustyBin | most VPS control panels you can reboot servers via web |
| 08:35.50 | DustyBin | so why cant i do it for my home server |
| 08:36.12 | Wyzard | Well, you'll need to come up with a way to implement it |
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| 08:36.17 | Bogus8 | if it's a VPS then you can't reboot the machine... that would screw with other VPS's on that machine |
| 08:36.20 | Wyzard | because the www-data user doesn't have permission to do that |
| 08:36.28 | Bogus8 | you can only reboot your virtual machine |
| 08:36.32 | zap-clone | does anybody know how to start tomcat with jpda on etch? |
| 08:36.34 | DustyBin | ok |
| 08:36.57 | wols | I already fed the folder. put in more paper |
| 08:37.03 | DustyBin | maybe its a bad idea |
| 08:37.04 | Wyzard | Bogus8: Naturally, but that's what /usr/sbin/reboot would do in the VPS anyway |
| 08:37.06 | liable | heh |
| 08:37.17 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: right.. just making sure he understood that |
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| 08:37.39 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: for curiousity sake, could you set up sudo and sudo a reboot that way? |
| 08:37.56 | wols | you could |
| 08:38.00 | Wyzard | DustyBin: You'll probably need some sort of setuid-root helper program, which checks that it's being run in the expected environment (by the www-data user, maybe checking that its parent process is apache, etc.) and then runs reboot |
| 08:38.08 | Wyzard | yeah, it could probably be done with sudo too |
| 08:38.15 | DustyBin | ok |
| 08:38.25 | Bogus8 | not very wise but just wondering |
| 08:38.39 | DustyBin | running uptime on my simple home server .html menu works well |
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| 08:39.10 | DustyBin | hopefully no one can inject something what can execute other commands :-S |
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| 08:45.34 | wam | Hi, how can I create a .deb from a source-tree which already has a "debian" - subdir? |
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| 08:46.49 | liable | wam: dpkg-builpackage |
| 08:46.56 | cydork | wam: check /msg dpkg debbuild |
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| 08:48.11 | cast | trying to build e with their debian/ turned out to a pain on stable :< was easier to just ignore it |
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| 08:49.44 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:49.59 | Flankk | I'm chrooting into a Debian partition and trying to install grub. How do I get the block devices to show up in the chroot environment, e.g., /dev/hda. I have entries in my fstab but I guess it's being overlooked..? |
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| 08:50.43 | DustyBin | Flankk: mount -a ? |
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| 08:51.09 | Flankk | DustyBin: I tried that. It gives no messages and doesn't even mount proc. I had to do that manually. :/ |
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| 08:51.49 | cast | you don't have to chroot with grub, you can use --root-directory with grub-install |
| 08:51.49 | DustyBin | Flankk, when you try and mount what does your syslog say? |
| 08:53.11 | Flankk | DustyBin: when I try and mount / manually? It just says the block device isn't recognized. I can't see /dev/hda, hdb, etc. from within the chroot. |
| 08:53.25 | Flankk | cast: thanks, I'll give that a shot. |
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| 08:54.59 | Flankk | cast: though the manual has no mention of a --root-directory option. |
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| 08:55.48 | cast | Flankk: man grub-install /root-dir |
| 08:56.42 | Flankk | cast: ah, I see they hid that little gem in there. Thanks. :D |
| 08:56.52 | cast | Flankk: one needs a functioning /root-dir/boot/grub though - which debian etch installs should have....but i'm not sure what you're doing |
| 08:57.28 | Flankk | cast: yeah, I just have a base lenny from debootstrap and am installing grub, that's all. |
| 08:57.56 | gypsymauro | where can I find an howto on how to use ldap for postfix, designed for debian of course:) |
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| 08:58.32 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 08:59.23 | cmanns | I want to have /mysql and /www (which will be on a secondary drive) whats the best way to do this? |
| 08:59.26 | slapfaceware | i want to setup the ftpd for inetd use, how do i install it |
| 08:59.43 | cast | slapfaceware: why do you want a ftpd? |
| 08:59.54 | struo | Hello, using ssh, how can I dow something like, ssh host1 ssh host2 (ssh1 has no passwd and I want to enter to ssh2 that is only available from ssh1) like ssh host1 ifconfig does, but using another ssh session, it is possible? |
| 08:59.54 | slapfaceware | transfer a file |
| 09:00.00 | Flankk | cast: I left Debian a few years ago when it was taking ages to include Xorg into even sid. That was just before Ubuntu was released and having sailed the shit storm seas, I'm back and ready to tackle the awesomeness of Debian. :D |
| 09:00.14 | cast | slapfaceware: move files onto the server or let people download off the server? |
| 09:00.24 | slapfaceware | move files to server |
| 09:00.43 | cast | slapfaceware: just you? |
| 09:01.11 | slapfaceware | ?? |
| 09:01.11 | erik2066 | I want to make my own etch kernel. I now have 2.6.18-5-k7 running, which works. I want to strip some unused drivers etc. I DLed the source, put it in /usr/src. How do I proceed now ? Do I need to run stuff from /usr/src/kernel-patches first ? |
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| 09:02.32 | bureau | hello |
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| 09:02.55 | cast | slapfaceware: who is going to upload the files. |
| 09:03.10 | bureau | i' have one probleme with a boot disquette |
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| 09:03.49 | erik2066 | bureau: just give us your question... no intro-stuff please |
| 09:04.07 | bureau | my question is |
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| 09:06.31 | bureau | when make one copie boot disquette |
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| 09:07.19 | bureau | ok don't mind i found the solution in google :) |
| 09:07.19 | fas3r | nobody use freeradius with eap-tls ?? ii have bzarre error when user want to authent on server ... |
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| 09:07.31 | bureau | tanks a lot for the help |
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| 09:08.51 | triplc | Hi all |
| 09:09.43 | harpal | fas3r: join #freeradius |
| 09:09.55 | fas3r | i have test nobody response |
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| 09:10.35 | DustyBin | is there a such thing as a bittorrent client what uses the terminal for the interface? |
| 09:10.48 | liable | rtorrent |
| 09:10.49 | cydork | DustyBin: many check rtorrent. |
| 09:10.53 | DustyBin | thank you |
| 09:10.57 | cydork | liable: damn you! :P |
| 09:11.00 | Flankk | cast: worked like a charm, thanks again. :D |
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| 09:11.15 | liable | cydork: its not often i get in quicker these days ;) |
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| 09:11.27 | Dominik[HTN] | How can i tell grep that i should show only exact matches? |
| 09:11.33 | cydork | liable: heh. |
| 09:11.54 | cydork | Dominik[HTN]: define exact. |
| 09:12.07 | triplc | How to use iptables (firewall) with time-based rules? My boss told me to block chat during working hour... but I cannot find the time-based directives in iptables. |
| 09:12.16 | erik2066 | I want to make my own etch kernel. I now have 2.6.18-5-k7 running, which works. I want to strip some unused drivers etc. I DLed the source, put it in /usr/src. How do I proceed now ? Do I need to run stuff from /usr/src/kernel-patches first ? |
| 09:12.19 | cast | wooo i helped someone |
| 09:12.27 | liable | triplc: cron job ? |
| 09:12.55 | liable | or better yet, tell your boss hes an asshole :) |
| 09:13.11 | cydork | erik2066: debian has a modular kernel. so if you don't need a module its never loaded. |
| 09:13.17 | triplc | liable: that's a good idea |
| 09:13.19 | triplc | liable: lol |
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| 09:13.28 | cast | erik2066: man iptables |
| 09:13.33 | cast | uh, sorry. i ment to type that |
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| 09:14.14 | triplc | cast: i already 'man iptables' and search the word 'time' 'hour' but cannot find the time-matching directives |
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| 09:14.30 | Dominik[HTN] | cydork: examaple "From:" is a match and "To-From:" shouldnt be a match |
| 09:14.43 | cast | yeah, i ment to type man iptables in my terminal :) |
| 09:15.05 | rage | I have an Intel 855GM here and a weird problem, the screen brightness turns to 0 whenever I startx or run certain opengl applications like planetpenguin-racer, I'm running xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.1.1 |
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| 09:15.53 | rage | Dominik[HTN]: Dirty way of fixing it, but I'm not very good with regexp, whatever | grep From | grep -v "To-From:" |
| 09:16.04 | mseng | triplc: iptables does not care about the time of the day. if you want a certain rule to apply only to a certain time you have to wrap a shell script around it |
| 09:16.10 | rage | That will screen out all To-Fromes |
| 09:16.26 | cast | i wonder if shorewall/any-of-those-iptables-interfaces have allowances for time |
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| 09:16.46 | cydork | Dominik[HTN]: From is a start of line? then use ^From and also as rage said use -v |
| 09:16.52 | mseng | triplc: and maybe combine that with "at" |
| 09:17.54 | triplc | mseng: ok... i'll take the advice to use script+cronttab... it will work. thanks |
| 09:17.58 | cast | hmmm, there is a time module |
| 09:18.12 | cast | http://linuxgazette.net/108/odonovan.html -A FORWARD -p tcp -m multiport --dport http,https -o eth0 -i eth1 \ -m time --timestart 12:30 --timestop 13:30 --days Mon,Tue,Wed,Thu,Fri -j ACCEPT |
| 09:18.30 | mseng | triplc: not crontab. at is better for that purpose. so to a certain time you activate a rule, and to another time you deactivate the rule |
| 09:18.42 | rage | cydork's solution is less likely to cause problems, there could be a strange case where you get something else containing From: that a grep -v wouldnt screen out |
| 09:18.46 | cast | http://michael.toren.net/slides/ipqueue/slide011.html and there |
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| 09:19.23 | ErkiDerLoony | Hallo. |
| 09:19.24 | cydork | rage: true. |
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| 09:19.48 | triplc | mseng: ok |
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| 09:20.46 | fasta | How can I use dot (graphviz) to render the graph on a larger image? I don't mind if it ends up 5 times larger than my screen. I already tried the size parameter, but somehow it has no effect. |
| 09:21.02 | wildchild | hi, can someone help me with speedstep on a xeon? the reported frequencies are wrong and i need to figure out why |
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| 09:22.08 | Bogus8 | are there any mobo chipsets I should avoid for running a headless system? |
| 09:22.16 | Bogus8 | mainly NAS and VPN stuff |
| 09:22.27 | Bogus8 | speaking of... what VPN software do you guys recommend? |
| 09:22.57 | xlotlu | Bogus8: openvpn obviously |
| 09:23.23 | Bogus8 | xlotlu: well, not so obvious to those that haven't ventured into the linux vpn world yet |
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| 09:23.26 | Bogus8 | ;) |
| 09:23.34 | cmanns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:24.56 | xlotlu | Bogus8: there's also frees/wan if you wanna venture the ipsec way |
| 09:25.00 | cast | openvpn |
| 09:25.22 | Bogus8 | if it's "obviously openvpn" then obviously I'll go that route ;) |
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| 09:26.41 | Bogus8 | any no no's as far as chipsets are concerned for this box? |
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| 09:29.07 | xlotlu | Bogus8: go intel.. or nvidia. they're sure to have proper support, and if something's wrong it gets fixed fast |
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| 09:29.31 | Bogus8 | xlotlu: guess I'll be going nvidia as I'm gonna go amd I think |
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| 09:30.09 | cast | my nf5+X2 goes well :) |
| 09:30.51 | Bogus8 | cast: which manf.? |
| 09:30.56 | cast | asus |
| 09:31.01 | Bogus8 | I seem to always stick with asus (exactly) |
| 09:31.11 | cast | doesn't crash :) |
| 09:31.18 | Bogus8 | I've run some bio star iDeq's off shore and the power supplies ALWAYS fail :( |
| 09:31.25 | Bogus8 | went through about 10-15 of those boxes :( |
| 09:33.00 | Bogus8 | giving Shuttle a go in those installations |
| 09:33.11 | Bogus8 | I need SFF for helicoptor flights |
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| 09:33.27 | Bogus8 | space is kind of a premium |
| 09:33.51 | TrueDD | Salut เ tous |
| 09:33.57 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 09:34.52 | cmanns | How do I link /www to /disk1/www ? |
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| 09:35.06 | debianix | ln -s ? |
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| 09:36.20 | Bogus8 | or change the config to point to there in the first place |
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| 09:39.02 | cast | could use mount too |
| 09:39.25 | Bogus8 | mount does sub dir's? |
| 09:40.22 | cmanns | what would be the best way? |
| 09:40.50 | cmanns | I want the paths for php and such to be shorter so I was just going to use /www/blahsite/ |
| 09:40.58 | Bogus8 | cmanns: honestly it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other |
| 09:41.05 | cast | was thinking of mount --bind olddir newdir, dunno if that works across filesystems though |
| 09:41.13 | cmanns | heh |
| 09:41.20 | cmanns | I already made them with ln -s |
| 09:41.22 | cmanns | works |
| 09:41.27 | Bogus8 | yep |
| 09:41.31 | Bogus8 | that's how mine is done |
| 09:41.47 | cmanns | It will be easier to remember where stuff is and such just having to do ls / and see mysql and www |
| 09:42.56 | cmanns | on the last os I used there was make.conf, does debian have something similar for c flags |
| 09:43.00 | Bogus8 | if you forget that that easily then you might need more help than that :p |
| 09:43.37 | cast | cmanns: could just set the relevent environmental variables |
| 09:43.41 | Bogus8 | quadro vs GeForce ? |
| 09:43.44 | Bogus8 | opinions? |
| 09:44.00 | cmanns | I guess |
| 09:44.04 | cast | Bogus8: the cheaper :) |
| 09:44.14 | cmanns | I'm just trying to squeeze as much performance as I can =/ |
| 09:44.34 | cast | cmanns: benchmark, post. :) |
| 09:44.37 | Bogus8 | cast: 15 bucks cheaper for the Quadro |
| 09:44.43 | Bogus8 | 75 vs 90 |
| 09:44.55 | cmanns | What card? |
| 09:44.58 | Bogus8 | most other specs are equal |
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| 09:45.21 | Klaps | good morging |
| 09:45.27 | Klaps | good morning |
| 09:45.35 | azeem | hi |
| 09:45.52 | fasta | cmanns: there's apt-build and debian/rules |
| 09:46.08 | cmanns | I see |
| 09:46.18 | Klaps | !info apt-get |
| 09:46.18 | fasta | cmanns: but I rarely use it |
| 09:46.31 | cast | !msg the bot |
| 09:46.31 | dpkg | well, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 09:46.34 | cmanns | you can just set it before compiling i guess |
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| 09:47.10 | fasta | cmanns: after compiling it would have little effect |
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| 09:47.17 | fasta | cmanns: :) |
| 09:47.25 | cmanns | heh |
| 09:47.47 | fasta | cmanns: really, I am curious as to where you get this idea of getting more performance? |
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| 09:48.19 | cmanns | idunno |
| 09:48.31 | fasta | cmanns: AFAIK, Visual Studio compiles C code faster than GCC, so if you are interested in performance you should use Windows for some applications ;) |
| 09:48.42 | cmanns | I'm just expirmentling |
| 09:48.48 | fasta | cast: he probably already used that |
| 09:48.49 | cmanns | menting* |
| 09:48.53 | cmanns | no |
| 09:48.59 | cmanns | Last I used was freebsd |
| 09:49.01 | fasta | cmanns: BSD? |
| 09:49.03 | fasta | right |
| 09:49.04 | cmanns | yeah :D |
| 09:49.07 | cmanns | Was awesome experence |
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| 09:49.26 | fasta | I used it too it was awesome in that my keyboard driver panicked the kernel |
| 09:49.34 | cmanns | lol |
| 09:49.34 | cast | fasta: icc i would bet would waste visual studio |
| 09:49.51 | cmanns | So far centos has been the worst I've used |
| 09:49.55 | cmanns | I like debian |
| 09:50.01 | cmanns | suse is just annoying |
| 09:50.02 | fasta | cast: probably, I have little commercial knowledge. |
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| 09:50.34 | cast | fasta: ahh, intels high performance compilers [free for non-com.] are pretty decent on intel hardware, run in linux or windows :) |
| 09:50.35 | fasta | cast: oh, right, Intel C Compiler. |
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| 09:50.59 | fasta | cast: I haven't seen comparisons of those, but they would better be fast or they look a bit stupid :) |
| 09:51.03 | cast | i've only used ifort, so i'm extrapolating a bit that iic is going to be fast too |
| 09:51.27 | Kevin` | the actual speed of the compiler is usually irrelevant. you compare the speed of the code it makes |
| 09:51.37 | fasta | Kevin`: that's what I meant |
| 09:51.43 | Kevin` | if you want fast, tcc will compile linux in a few seconds :) |
| 09:51.49 | fasta | Kevin`: I know |
| 09:51.56 | fasta | 30KLOC/sec, AFAIK |
| 09:52.16 | fasta | I wished my Haskell compiler was that fast ;) |
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| 09:57.23 | slapfaceware | any squirrel mail user? |
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| 09:57.37 | Kevin` | I use that |
| 09:57.50 | slapfaceware | how do i run that configure again, what directory is it |
| 09:57.55 | slapfaceware | i need to reconfig that thing |
| 09:58.09 | slapfaceware | and i need to transfer a file to it |
| 09:58.11 | slapfaceware | dam |
| 09:58.12 | Kevin` | don't remember :) |
| 09:58.18 | slapfaceware | thanks |
| 09:58.27 | yacc | Any idea how to make the flash plugin use a http proxy? *wonder* |
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| 10:00.10 | cipherz | hello, anyone tried starting a debian amd64 install from an usb stick and when it gets to the io scheduler it freezes ? |
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| 10:01.44 | cipherz | hmm noapic fixed it :) so n/m |
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| 10:06.56 | slapfaceware | what's cml browser that do ssl/tls |
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| 10:07.25 | cast | check w3m/links* |
| 10:07.42 | slapfaceware | i have links, it doesn't go through gmail |
| 10:07.54 | cast | lynx too |
| 10:08.00 | cast | w3m will do gmail fine |
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| 10:09.46 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.00 | azeem | add it to /etc/modules |
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| 10:11.18 | jmd | azeem: Thanks. |
| 10:11.26 | slapfaceware | w3m doesn't work |
| 10:11.31 | slapfaceware | goes blank |
| 10:11.37 | azeem | jmd: and be advised that you should switch to 2.6 soonish |
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| 10:12.00 | jmd | azeem: Any particular reason for that? |
| 10:12.10 | cmanns | Is ICC anygood? |
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| 10:12.40 | jmd | cmanns: International Cricket Council ?? no they're no good at all. |
| 10:12.41 | azeem | jmd: 2.4 is not officially supported for etch, and lenny will only support 2.6 |
| 10:12.49 | azeem | jmd: as in, you cannot run a 2.4 kernel with lenny |
| 10:12.51 | cmanns | The intel-icc compiler |
| 10:13.09 | azeem | cmanns: if you have to ask, you shouldn't use it |
| 10:13.12 | jmd | azeem: So soonish means 2 years |
| 10:13.15 | cmanns | lol |
| 10:13.23 | azeem | jmd: or if you want to upgrade to testing in the meantime |
| 10:13.29 | cmanns | I'm just wondering if I should try it or not ;P |
| 10:13.38 | azeem | jmd: it's really advised to run a 2.6 kernel with etch, but you're decision of course |
| 10:13.54 | jmd | Actually, I tried 2.6 and all my ethernet cards stopped working, so I gave that up. |
| 10:13.55 | GvX | has anyone got debian to run on a "Tyan Thunder n4250QE (S4985)" along with dual "nVidia Tesla D870"...? |
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| 10:16.08 | cast | slapfaceware: crap, i used to be able to use gmail in CLI...can't even get m.gmail.com to work now, |
| 10:16.39 | slapfaceware | cast, lynx works, use it |
| 10:17.30 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:19.03 | calestyo | Hi. Is anyone here who experiences problems (it crashses at startup) with evolutions (in sid) since about yesterdays updates? |
| 10:19.53 | mseng | you use debian "unstable" and have to ask? |
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| 10:20.14 | wsdo_okadr | is there any way I can get current resolution from a ENV variable or from bash ? |
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| 10:20.36 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: resolution of what? |
| 10:20.51 | calestyo | mseng: uhm well... there were no updates to components that seem to be directly evoultion related,.. and I cannot find any matching reports in the BTS... |
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| 10:20.56 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: of the display/monitor obviously ... |
| 10:21.29 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: it's not obvious... you could be logged in via ssh, or at console, or running a fb app |
| 10:21.51 | Bogus8 | any reason not to run amd64 vs non 64? |
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| 10:22.20 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: I'm not remote.I am in proximity of less than 50cm from the machine. |
| 10:22.39 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: if you have a single display device and your DISPLAY is set correctly, you can use xdpyinfo or maybe xrandr |
| 10:23.11 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: very nice thank you :) |
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| 10:27.20 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: I cannot find my current resolution from perl so I'll just make a hackish perl -e 'print `xrandr` =~ /default connected ([^+]*)x([^+]*)\+.*/ '; |
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| 10:28.21 | lordrich | calestyo: no, Evolution on Sid is running fine for me - network-manager is currently broken though |
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| 10:29.16 | calestyo | lordrich: strange,... it's stell keeps crashing here,.. even when using a clean ~/.evolution dir... |
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| 10:29.35 | lordrich | what do gdb and strace say? |
| 10:30.17 | jelly-home | wsdo_okadr: this may break if you use a machine which says eg: LVDS connected 1280x800+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 331mm x 207mm |
| 10:30.23 | calestyo | lordrich: didn't try it yet,... but will do so afternon |
| 10:30.27 | calestyo | +o |
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| 10:31.08 | calestyo | lordrich: anyway,... gnome's bugreport listes lots of thread that seem to crash all somewhere in libpthread... |
| 10:31.09 | aryr100 | hello all |
| 10:31.36 | wsdo_okadr | jelly-home: maybe I need to get the sources to xrandr and study them better to get a stable regex to match that sh*T then :) |
| 10:31.43 | aryr100 | did a clean install of 4.0 got a apt error ? |
| 10:32.00 | Raven737 | Hi, question: i want to upgrade a machine from sarge (2.4) to etch (2.6), i read the release notes, updated my apt-get sources and then did a: aptitude -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade, but after 30+ minutes of doing something and a restart it's still on 2.4.27-3-386! What am i doing wrong? (i'm a newb, so no real idea of how this upgrade should work) |
| 10:32.37 | lordrich | aryr100: what was the error message? |
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| 10:32.42 | azeem | Raven737: you need to specifically install a 2.6 kernel I think |
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| 10:32.50 | azeem | Raven737: this should be explained in the release ntoes |
| 10:32.53 | azeem | notes* |
| 10:33.11 | aryr100 | this : Unknown id: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:33.22 | lordrich | Raven737: it's also wise to do an aptitude install aptitude before upgrading because the new aptitude will handle things better |
| 10:34.23 | azeem | Raven737: see section 4.5.5 |
| 10:34.31 | Raven737 | azeem: i looked in the release notes, but i only found "A.1 Upgrading your sarge system" of minimal help, where else should i look? |
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| 10:34.48 | Raven737 | azeem: faster then me, thanks :) |
| 10:34.54 | RichiH | hrm, in current sid, kolabd is gone from the archives, kolabadmin and kolab-webadmin still exist - anyone knows what's going on? |
| 10:35.37 | lordrich | aryr100: I've not seen that one before, what command are you running when that happens? |
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| 10:36.31 | calestyo | lordrich: I think that problem might be actually related to the network manager issue |
| 10:36.39 | freach | i'm searching for a scriptable mail client, which supports authentication and external smtp and not the local mta only like mailx or mutt |
| 10:36.51 | calestyo | lordrich: libnm_glib_nm_state_cb: dbus returned an error. (org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown) The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files |
| 10:37.03 | calestyo | (returned by evolution) |
| 10:37.27 | aryr100 | just the list cmd /etc/apt/sources.list from root terminal |
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| 10:38.01 | Raven737 | azeem: ok so i need a new kernel, but if i get the new aptitude as lordrich said, will it do the kernel update for me? (i tried to apt-get install aptitude after using etch stable sources and doing that it ask me if i wanted to updat the kernel image, said no and revered becuase i didn't think it was nessesary for aptitude.. should i just say yes?) |
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| 10:38.10 | lordrich | calestyo: yeah, and network-manager-gnome: Depends: network-manager (= 0.6.4-8+b1) but it is not installable |
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| 10:38.30 | azeem | Raven737: just follow the release notes |
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| 10:39.01 | calestyo | lordrich: uhm but wait,.. I haven't installed network manager at all,.. and it seems that evolution does not depend on it :-( |
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| 10:39.55 | Raven737 | lordrich: will the new version of aptitude also install the new kernel? |
| 10:39.59 | lordrich | aryr100: ? |
| 10:40.10 | lordrich | Raven737: can't remember |
| 10:40.20 | lordrich | don't think so |
| 10:40.49 | lordrich | RichiH: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kolabd might help |
| 10:40.50 | Raven737 | azeem: ok thanks, but such a looong read, no simple script? :(( |
| 10:42.35 | aryr100 | to edit/add packages' repositories (sources.list) |
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| 10:43.10 | lordrich | aryr100: what exactly did you type just before getting that error message? |
| 10:43.11 | Raven737 | in any case, thanks for the help! |
| 10:44.04 | aryr100 | ---/etc/apt/sources.list without the --- |
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| 10:46.19 | lordrich | aryr100: that's not a valid command on it's own, it's just a config file - what are you trying to do? |
| 10:46.55 | aryr100 | to add to the repositories (sources.list) |
| 10:47.17 | microtux | any one knows how the command top works? |
| 10:47.19 | lordrich | then you just need to edit the file |
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| 10:48.22 | RudyValencia | anyone here familiar with the joe texteditor? |
| 10:48.28 | RichiH | aryr100: in irssi, you can do / /foo and it will not try to execute that |
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| 10:48.48 | RichiH | aryr100: also, any string containing more than one slash will not be executed |
| 10:48.54 | RudyValencia | if so, how do i stop it from leaving "filename~" files? |
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| 10:49.10 | aryr100 | kk that cmd worked with all the debian offsprings that why was @ a lost |
| 10:49.17 | wildchild | hey |
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| 10:49.37 | dacs | is it possable that i can boot linux from an SD card? |
| 10:49.51 | Kaiten4 | dacs: yes |
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| 10:50.01 | wildchild | is anyone here using frequency scaling on a core 2 cpu? |
| 10:50.05 | rage | Is there a proper place to put scripts to run on when gdm starts up, I want to run xbacklight -set when xlaunches |
| 10:50.18 | Kaiten4 | dacs: just boot linux, or have a linux install on it? |
| 10:50.25 | rage | wildchild: I am on a pentium m if thats any use |
| 10:50.27 | dacs | Kaiten4: how about windows? |
| 10:50.40 | Kaiten4 | dacs: I think it's possible |
| 10:51.02 | wildchild | rage, probably not, my cpu not being detected properly, wrong frequencies |
| 10:51.07 | dacs | Kaiten4: but there is no option on the bios that allow you to boot from SD? |
| 10:51.15 | dacs | am i missing something here? |
| 10:51.21 | Kaiten4 | dacs: do you have a card reader? |
| 10:51.31 | dacs | Kaiten4: yes |
| 10:51.41 | Kaiten4 | dacs: then try to have the bios boot from usb |
| 10:51.43 | rage | ah, it was relitively straight forward in my case, modprobe the appropiate items and vala, it worked :-) |
| 10:51.49 | Kaiten4 | dacs: it may not be supported |
| 10:52.20 | Kaiten4 | sd card > card reader > usb that is |
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| 10:54.01 | RichiH | lordrich: thanks |
| 10:54.06 | dacs | Kaiten4: are you saying that if i have a USB SD card reader i can set my box/lapy to boot from USB |
| 10:54.34 | Kaiten4 | dacs: Perhaps. Worth a shot, no? |
| 10:54.49 | dacs | Kaiten4: hell , yes ;) |
| 10:55.23 | Kaiten4 | dacs: that is if you're bios supports usb booting |
| 10:55.54 | Kaiten4 | dacs: if it does you just might want to pick up a cheap flash drive instead |
| 10:56.44 | dacs | Kaiten4: i have already did the USB boot , time to try the SD |
| 10:57.08 | aryr100 | lol got it forgot to add gedit in front |
| 10:57.21 | Kaiten4 | dacs: ok good luck |
| 10:57.46 | lordrich | !win aryr100 |
| 10:57.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, aryr100! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 10:58.15 | Kaiten4 | lucky bastard... |
| 10:58.39 | rage | mmmm, meat |
| 10:58.59 | Kaiten4 | mmm vagina |
| 10:59.28 | dacs | Kaiten4:thanks |
| 10:59.45 | Kaiten4 | dacs: np |
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| 11:03.09 | wsdo_okadr | if I want to use diff to find out how many things file1 has that file2 doesn't have can i use the following diff file1 file2 | grep ^> | wc -l ? |
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| 11:05.06 | _slacker_ | hi all, how can i get deep level info of my storage devices? i need HDD brand, model, etc |
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| 11:06.27 | john0312 | cat /proc/ide/hdX/model |
| 11:06.31 | john0312 | or sdX |
| 11:07.00 | cast | /proc/scsi/scsi for my sata |
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| 11:07.06 | gargantua | hi |
| 11:07.12 | cast | hello gargantua |
| 11:07.16 | gargantua | how do reinstall an applciation using apt? |
| 11:07.24 | john0312 | apt-get install <appname> |
| 11:07.32 | gargantua | _re_install. |
| 11:07.39 | john0312 | Oh.. sorry |
| 11:07.43 | john0312 | Use aptitude then |
| 11:07.43 | rage | apt-get --reinstall install name |
| 11:07.48 | cast | aptitude reinstall app if you use aptitude |
| 11:08.06 | gargantua | sorry, what is aptitude? |
| 11:08.07 | rage | or if you dont, --reinstall will do :-) |
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| 11:08.12 | _slacker_ | cars |
| 11:08.20 | _slacker_ | sorry |
| 11:08.28 | _slacker_ | cast, i have SAS disks |
| 11:08.31 | cast | !tell gargantua about aptitude |
| 11:08.42 | _slacker_ | cast, did you get info about your disks? or only the controller? |
| 11:08.54 | gargantua | aptitude = apt? |
| 11:08.58 | cast | i got the disk models/brands |
| 11:09.06 | rage | aptitude is a pretty front end to apt |
| 11:09.09 | cast | i think my disk model/brands come up in dmesg too |
| 11:09.10 | rage | that can do a few extra things |
| 11:09.24 | wols | cast: yep |
| 11:09.39 | rage | gargantua: You dont have to use it though to reinstall, apt-get --reinstall install whatever works fine too :-) |
| 11:09.57 | john0312 | Or press "L" on the package in its ncurse interface. |
| 11:09.57 | gargantua | killbox:/home/gargantua# apt-get reinstall mysql-server-5.0 |
| 11:09.57 | gargantua | E: Invalid operation reinstall |
| 11:10.08 | rage | read carefully please |
| 11:10.12 | cast | rage: apt-get is a frontend to apt, too |
| 11:10.20 | rage | apt-get --reinstall install whatever |
| 11:10.25 | rage | cast: indeed |
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| 11:10.29 | Kaiten4 | apt is evil |
| 11:10.37 | gargantua | apt is lovely. |
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| 11:10.42 | rage | I agree |
| 11:10.47 | Kaiten4 | package managers are the devil! |
| 11:10.48 | john0312 | Because it have super cow power |
| 11:10.51 | john0312 | apt-get moo |
| 11:10.58 | Kaiten4 | *switches back to slackware* |
| 11:11.00 | rage | Super cow powers! |
| 11:11.08 | gargantua | ok that did it, thanks. |
| 11:11.09 | Kaiten4 | Get out of my head! |
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| 11:11.19 | rage | gargantua: no problem :-) |
| 11:11.30 | cast | Kaiten4: switch back to msn while you're at it? ;) |
| 11:11.33 | john0312 | Anyone knows of any changes done to iptables/NAT from 40r0 to 40r1? |
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| 11:11.54 | Kaiten4 | cast: if I can compile it from source or find a slackpack for it |
| 11:11.55 | rage | I think I might go back to windows, that doesnt have a package manager, really |
| 11:11.59 | rage | oh wait |
| 11:12.10 | john0312 | Something seemed broken in the iptables/NAT part in 40r1 |
| 11:12.14 | Kaiten4 | ReactOS, in it's infancy has a package manager |
| 11:12.17 | _slacker_ | cast, cool yeah! i forget the dmesg messages :) |
| 11:12.20 | Kaiten4 | It's already evil |
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| 11:13.06 | john0312 | Anyone experienced any problem with the iptables/NAT in 40r1? |
| 11:13.06 | rage | Use LSF, much cleaner |
| 11:13.15 | cast | john0312: check the kpkg DSA's in http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070817 |
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| 11:13.16 | rage | *LFS |
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| 11:15.06 | john0312 | cast: Thanks; Although there's no changes associated with iptables, but the new kernel seemed to broke something in the NAT part. |
| 11:15.22 | mseng | john0312: what makes you think that? |
| 11:15.35 | Kaiten4 | don't question the man |
| 11:15.44 | john0312 | Previously I was using an Etch 40r0, the NAT worked. |
| 11:15.46 | troubled | hmm, can someone with firefox (or any variant i suppose) visit http://www.collider.com/entertainment/news/article.asp/aid/5290/tcid/1 and click the car picture. try zoom in and out all over the place. seems like firefox has an issue with zooming. |
| 11:16.14 | troubled | the CG car pic I mean, not the cartoon one |
| 11:16.26 | john0312 | But now, I replaced it with an Etch 40r1 ( My old 40r0 installation crashed due to the IBM "DeathStar" ), the NAT worked partially. |
| 11:16.26 | mseng | john0312: are the apropriate kernel modules loaded? is forwarding set active? |
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| 11:16.31 | Kaiten4 | troubled: it's was botchy at first then worked |
| 11:16.46 | john0312 | yes, of course. echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 11:16.54 | troubled | specfically, I had issues clicking the zoom on the grey area. eventually it moved the pic all over rather than back out to normal |
| 11:17.14 | john0312 | Most sites can be accessed in the router based on 40r1. ( Eg: Google. ) |
| 11:17.36 | john0312 | But some sites ceased to work. ( Eg: photo.xanga.com ) |
| 11:17.43 | troubled | seems ok when i zoom in/out on the car itself, just when i clicked on grey it messed up I guess is a little more detailed description |
| 11:18.59 | john0312 | Anyone have anything like that? |
| 11:19.29 | mseng | john0312: stop being focused on the etch release. it would make much more sense if you had a look at your configuration |
| 11:19.56 | john0312 | I tried to compile a customized kernel, it doesn't work also. |
| 11:19.59 | troubled | john0312: you dsl by chance? |
| 11:20.40 | john0312 | I thought that is possible, so I tried to wget http://photo.xanga.com; It worked in the server/router, but not the WS behind it. |
| 11:20.59 | troubled | john0312: if so, perhaps MTU related? I know ive been bitten by that once and it was a PITA to track down at first without clamp'd mtu |
| 11:21.19 | troubled | hmm, nm then if server worked but not ws |
| 11:21.20 | john0312 | MTU? How should I go about checking it? |
| 11:21.37 | john0312 | Both site that have problem love to throw big Window size ( > 64000 ) |
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| 11:21.46 | john0312 | I don't know if that's the problem. |
| 11:21.48 | troubled | john0312: well, ifconfig. but depends if your dsl or not |
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| 11:22.36 | john0312 | troubled: external interface ( ppp0 ) or internal ( eth0 )? |
| 11:23.01 | Bogus8 | any reason not to run amd64 vs non 64? |
| 11:23.04 | troubled | john0312: ppp0 would be the one, and if you have that and mtu is 1500, thats probably yuour problem (ie: some sites work, some dont) |
| 11:23.21 | john0312 | It's 1492 |
| 11:23.31 | john0312 | My internal ( eth0 ) |
| 11:23.34 | john0312 | 's 1500 |
| 11:23.44 | troubled | john0312: theres one good way to test, MS www based msn signin page will always fail with bad mtu |
| 11:24.02 | troubled | forget the url though. but 1492 sounds wrong. |
| 11:24.14 | john0312 | URL? |
| 11:24.32 | john0312 | But somehow wget on the server works? |
| 11:24.35 | troubled | ooops nm, 1492 seems ok |
| 11:24.40 | john0312 | Might it be fragmentation? |
| 11:25.06 | john0312 | And, yes, http://login.live.com is another site that doesn't work. |
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| 11:25.27 | troubled | hmmm, that url seems to ring a bell for the one i had issues with |
| 11:25.48 | cast | john0312: that's a feature! |
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| 11:26.15 | john0312 | Both site have big Window Size, for the packet that came back with the ACK to the "GET /" request. |
| 11:26.21 | troubled | john0312: you might wanna google for clamp mtu on your ppp0 firewall rule |
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| 11:27.16 | john0312 | Thanks. |
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| 11:29.35 | jazzcat | hi. does someone know about any kind of tool to configure sources.list automatically, similar as the one used in the installation program? |
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| 11:30.30 | cast | jazzcat: apt-spy will |
| 11:30.39 | jazzcat | oks thankyou cast |
| 11:30.44 | comsa | netselect?? |
| 11:31.39 | freenot | on debian, is /usr/local/bin the same location as on ubuntu /usr/bin? |
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| 11:31.50 | azeem | freenot: no |
| 11:32.01 | freepenguin | scusate cรจ un comando in x-chat per mandare un messaggio ai canali del server a cui sono connesso in un determinato secondo? |
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| 11:32.50 | azeem | !it |
| 11:32.50 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'่ anche il canale #linux-it lเ. |
| 11:32.54 | azeem | freepenguin: ^^ |
| 11:33.27 | freepenguin | ohhh! |
| 11:33.29 | freepenguin | =) |
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| 11:33.38 | freenot | ciao bella |
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| 11:34.48 | jazzcat | cast: thank you, apt-spy was what I was looking for |
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| 11:43.11 | DustyBin | screen is giving me this error, is there a way round this: |
| 11:43.13 | DustyBin | Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check. |
| 11:43.30 | Internat | did u sudo? |
| 11:43.35 | Internat | or su |
| 11:43.50 | DustyBin | no i want to run screen as a user |
| 11:44.11 | Internat | i used to get that problem if i sudo'd or su'd to the user i wanted to run screen as |
| 11:44.15 | rage | Are you on /dev/pts/1 ? |
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| 11:44.31 | Klaps | hello how can i reset the last commands in the ssh? |
| 11:44.34 | DustyBin | i dont know, how can one tell? |
| 11:44.35 | Raging_Hog | sometimes I put my etch to xlock and it stays black. How can I start debugging? |
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| 11:44.52 | DustyBin | crw--w---- 1 mythtv tty 136, 1 2007-08-27 12:43 1 |
| 11:45.05 | DustyBin | mythtv user owns tty 1 and tty 2 |
| 11:45.13 | DustyBin | i want admin user to run screen? |
| 11:45.46 | abrotman | Klaps: reset ? |
| 11:45.58 | abrotman | Klaps: there is a german channel if that would be easier for you |
| 11:46.33 | troubled | DustyBin: you mean you want admin user to be able to attache to mythtv's tty/screen? |
| 11:47.00 | DustyBin | no i want admin to attach to its own screen so i can run something in the background |
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| 11:47.43 | DustyBin | screen works ok as the mythtv user just not the admin user |
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| 11:47.45 | troubled | DustyBin: why is pts/1 owned by mythtv then if its admin's? |
| 11:48.11 | DustyBin | i dont know how /dev/pts files are created |
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| 11:48.44 | DustyBin | its ok now, i logged in as admin now its ok |
| 11:48.48 | troubled | udev these days controls everything in /dev |
| 11:48.50 | DustyBin | before i logged in as mythtv then su to admin |
| 11:49.21 | cmanns | Anyone seen load get stuck before? I have hardly anything running and its saying load average: 1.00, 1.03, 1.15 |
| 11:49.21 | cmanns | . Just the last two are changing otherwise its sticking at 1.00 |
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| 11:49.42 | troubled | DustyBin: as was asked before, su/sudo causes issues since the tty is owned as the original user, not the su'd account, thus you cant attach screen unless you play with tty permissions or use screen acls and suid screen binary |
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| 11:50.07 | DustyBin | aye, ill remember that 8^) |
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| 11:50.31 | MALEADt | Hi all! Quick question, where do i disable local tty2-tty6, I only want 1 local console to be able to log in. Thanks! |
| 11:50.52 | mseng | MALEADt: edit /etc/inittab |
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| 11:51.19 | MALEADt | mseng: awesome, thanks :) |
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| 11:51.28 | mseng | :o) |
| 11:51.40 | troubled | DustyBin: http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/screen/ is a good read for acls |
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| 11:51.55 | DustyBin | ok thanks |
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| 11:52.09 | fasta | What does tab stand for in fstab, inittab etc? Just tab? |
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| 11:52.22 | troubled | DustyBin: its the "proper" way to share tty's via screen. and easier than playing with xattr's and udev |
| 11:52.29 | DustyBin | aye |
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| 11:52.41 | troubled | fasta: table i would imagine. not 100% though |
| 11:53.00 | mseng | fasta: fstab is short for filesystem table, inittab is short for the init table |
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| 11:54.42 | Kaiten4 | Hey |
| 11:54.51 | Kaiten4 | Back again (at school) |
| 11:54.52 | abrotman | he could use ttysnoop .. but that's just to watch AFAIK |
| 11:55.25 | Kaiten4 | Question, is there any kernel options that may make your console disappear completely? (Only X is visible) |
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| 11:55.45 | abrotman | why? |
| 11:55.46 | liable | why? |
| 11:55.52 | liable | !lose me |
| 11:55.53 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 11:55.55 | liable | again |
| 11:56.04 | abrotman | jinx you owe me ... a fosters? ew |
| 11:56.05 | Kaiten4 | Because my console is visible... |
| 11:56.12 | Kaiten4 | isn't* |
| 11:56.20 | abrotman | Kaiten4: did you enable framebuffer ? |
| 11:56.24 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: yes |
| 11:56.29 | abrotman | did you pick an invalid mode ? |
| 11:56.31 | Raven737 | azeem: hi again, ok o i read and followed the release notes, but now that i have installed the new kernel, should i restart before proceeding to the dist-upgrade (it doesn't mention anything, but since it still shows up as 2.4 i though restarting first would be good?) |
| 11:56.35 | rage | its possible that you're not spawning getty |
| 11:56.35 | mseng | somebody stole the console! |
| 11:57.00 | azeem | Raven737: no need to ask me personally, just ask the channel |
| 11:57.01 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: it doesn't work with no options or with vga=791, vesa is compiled in, my ati console driver is compiled in.. |
| 11:57.03 | liable | whats framebuffer got to do with console? (i think i am missing something here) |
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| 11:57.20 | azeem | Raven737: I'm busy with work, and other people usually don't answer if you ask somebody specific |
| 11:57.27 | abrotman | isn't that fbradeon? which rarely works correctly? |
| 11:57.27 | RAHSPUTIN | hello, how can i convet avi to nsv with debian ? |
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| 11:57.37 | Kaiten4 | It doesn't work, framebuffer or not, console is dead |
| 11:57.46 | abrotman | turn the framebuffer off |
| 11:57.47 | fantomas | Hi. How to provide a password for SSH in non-interactive manner? |
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| 11:57.55 | Raven737 | azeem: sorry then |
| 11:57.58 | liable | Kaiten4: what if you boot single mode? |
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| 11:58.10 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: I'm recompiling debian kernel sources, and famebuffer works with vga=791 on stock kernel |
| 11:58.10 | abrotman | new kernel ? |
| 11:58.16 | Kaiten4 | liable: same |
| 11:58.20 | abrotman | then stop recompiling |
| 11:58.24 | liable | Kaiten4: same what? |
| 11:58.33 | liable | you dont have x in single |
| 11:58.36 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: tell me that when I don't need to recompile my kernel so things work |
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| 11:58.48 | Kaiten4 | liable: it doesn't work in single user or regular |
| 11:58.58 | liable | so what happens, blank screen? |
| 11:59.00 | abrotman | Kaiten4: what things don't work without recompiling ? |
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| 11:59.01 | Kaiten4 | liable: X is the only thing that shows up after boot |
| 11:59.07 | Kaiten4 | liable: yes, a blank screen indeed |
| 11:59.12 | Raven737 | Hi all, question: i am upgrading from sarge to etch and installed a new kernel image, do i need to restart before proceeding ot the dist-upgrade? |
| 11:59.17 | liable | so remove your vga setting |
| 11:59.19 | liable | and see |
| 11:59.29 | mseng | Kaiten4: so go and use the /boot/config* of your debian kernel if you fail to configure your kernel |
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| 11:59.48 | liable | Raven737: /msg dpkg release notes |
| 11:59.50 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: paravirt options in stock kernel don't allow fglrx to be loaded (ati's fault) and vmware modules don't compile under stock either, I don't know why |
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| 11:59.57 | rage | Kaiten4: Are there gettys getting spawned in /etc/inittab? |
| 12:00.08 | liable | fglrx doesnt play nice with framebuffer |
| 12:00.14 | Kaiten4 | mseng: I've done that, but I've removed options that I don't need so compilation doesn't take 4 hours |
| 12:00.23 | liable | disable vga options |
| 12:00.27 | abrotman | you are usig the radeonfb .. right ? |
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| 12:00.39 | liable | not if hes using fglrx |
| 12:00.47 | Kaiten4 | rage: well, I haven't changed any settings and if I boot stock kernel it still works |
| 12:00.56 | rage | mmm, oaky |
| 12:00.58 | Kaiten4 | fglrx has nothing to do with the console, only x |
| 12:01.00 | rage | just checking :-) |
| 12:01.31 | Raven737 | liable: yea i am reading the release notes, it just said i should make sure kernel is 2.6.15+ else install flavor.. did that.. doesn't mention restart.. but i don't think the new lernel is loaded yet.. so... continue without restart? |
| 12:01.35 | abrotman | oh .. just a new metapackage |
| 12:02.10 | liable | Raven737: iirc it tells you when to reboot |
| 12:02.23 | Kaiten4 | someone can check out my .config if they want :) |
| 12:02.37 | liable | no thanks |
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| 12:03.45 | abrotman | why .. it's obviously wrong! :) |
| 12:04.05 | Kaiten4 | no really |
| 12:04.21 | Kaiten4 | I like showing off my working kernel configs :) |
| 12:05.01 | Kaiten4 | Over the hundreds of kernel recomiles, I've never had this issue |
| 12:05.03 | mseng | yeah, thats cool. mine reflects my personality also |
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| 12:05.32 | Kaiten4 | then my kernel reflects my shadow |
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| 12:05.37 | mseng | Kaiten4: if you did 100 kernel compiles but never understood the kernel config its definetly time to learn something |
| 12:05.47 | abrotman | it's not working! |
| 12:06.08 | Kaiten4 | mseng: I've understood enough to know what I need and what I require, but obviously there is some parts I don't understand, I'm only human |
| 12:06.27 | mseng | that just made no sense what you said :) |
| 12:06.41 | cast_ | stock kernel for epic win |
| 12:06.50 | Kaiten4 | I don't know everything mseng, but I think you're assuming I mindlessly compile kernels |
| 12:07.07 | mseng | i would at least take the config of the debian kernel and disable only what i definetly know i dont need |
| 12:07.34 | Kaiten4 | mseng: well that's what I did, or at least what I thought I did, I might just reable all the console crap |
| 12:07.53 | Kaiten4 | No one seems to have any advice for me |
| 12:07.56 | mseng | thats not what you did. your console would work otherwise |
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| 12:08.25 | Gaidin | hey i am having problems with permissions, i want to give a windows machine full access to a folder on my ext hdd but whenever i change the permissions it changes back or says they could not be changed i have tried both the gui and chmod as su and not |
| 12:08.29 | Kaiten4 | brb,classwork |
| 12:08.33 | mseng | so stop poluting the air and do another kernel build, one that finally works |
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| 12:08.44 | troubled | Kaiten4: you disabled/removed console support from your kernel? |
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| 12:10.52 | Kaiten4 | troubled: what options would those be do you think? Because I've looked for them. |
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| 12:11.27 | troubled | Kaiten4: sorry, i dont know the name off the top of my head. I would have to go look |
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| 12:12.38 | Kaiten4 | troubled: it's cool |
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| 12:13.30 | liable | hrm, my root bash history is being deleted at boot |
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| 12:14.20 | mseng | liable: i thought thats a good idea when i exploited your box |
| 12:14.29 | liable | thanks |
| 12:14.32 | troubled | heh |
| 12:14.35 | mseng | :D |
| 12:14.36 | Kaiten4 | mseng: shit, that's a little suspcious, no? |
| 12:14.59 | mseng | Kaiten4: pay attention to your class or i phone the teacher :P |
| 12:15.16 | DustyBin | i wish somone would exploit my box, it hasnt been used in years, maybe somone could at least probe my port? |
| 12:15.23 | troubled | liable: question, ls -l your bash history, is it a sym link to dev null? |
| 12:15.25 | Kaiten4 | mseng: the phones are voip, they're under my adminstration now, substitute |
| 12:15.35 | mseng | hah! |
| 12:15.39 | cast_ | DustyBin: is that a gay enuendo? |
| 12:15.51 | DustyBin | cast_ : no thats your imagination |
| 12:16.00 | cast_ | doh. |
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| 12:18.05 | liable | troubled: no |
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| 12:18.18 | troubled | liable: etch? |
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| 12:18.38 | liable | troubled: sid on the problem box |
| 12:18.57 | troubled | liable: ah ok, can't help you then. no idea what they might have changed there |
| 12:18.57 | mbroeker | can you tell me where pidgin stores its personal data? is it in ~/.purple or another folder ? |
| 12:19.13 | troubled | liable: by chance, is it on logout? or just reboot? |
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| 12:19.31 | liable | good question |
| 12:19.51 | liable | reboot |
| 12:20.10 | troubled | liable: well, only one place that coulg be happening, init scripts |
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| 12:20.18 | Posterdati | hi |
| 12:20.19 | troubled | liable: grep for it perhaps |
| 12:20.31 | cast_ | mbroeker: man pidgin |
| 12:20.32 | liable | yeah, lemme see |
| 12:20.36 | troubled | liable: well, one "legit" place :) |
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| 12:20.50 | troubled | not considering rogue kernel modules or hidden stuff yet |
| 12:21.08 | cast_ | neat, my man pidgin says '/usr/local/stow/pidgin/bin/pidgin: Pidgin's location.' - guess manpage was partially autogenerated :) |
| 12:21.28 | Posterdati | please, I'm using apt-proxy to feed my lan, but on the client, when I try to do apt-get update I got Failed to fetch http://x.x.x.x:9999/debian/dists/lenny/non-free/source/Sources.gz MD5Sum mismatch, how can I fix this? |
| 12:21.48 | mbroeker | well, i have purged it away and wanted to remove personal data files |
| 12:21.53 | mbroeker | cast_, ^^ |
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| 12:22.29 | Gaidin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.33 | cast_ | mbroeker: ok. |
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| 12:23.12 | mseng | Gaidin: what filesystem does the external hdd have? |
| 12:23.18 | Gaidin | fat32 |
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| 12:23.59 | mseng | Gaidin: read in "man mount" about fat32 |
| 12:24.05 | cmanns | Is there a way I can install php gd without getting apache, php, etc? |
| 12:24.12 | Gaidin | ok |
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| 12:25.01 | mseng | cmanns: if you know what you are doing you can look at the "--force" options of dpkg |
| 12:25.11 | cmanns | I'll try it |
| 12:25.29 | cast_ | cmanns: well, not without breaking the pkg. php-gd depends on php, as it should, i wouldn't expect it to need apache though |
| 12:25.47 | liable | troubled: interesting, logging out via gdm doesnt do it, calling reboot seems to.. |
| 12:25.55 | cmanns | 'The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 12:25.55 | cmanns | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.55 | cmanns | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.55 | cmanns | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.01 | cmanns | Sorry |
| 12:26.03 | troubled | cmanns: hmm, may I ask why you would want a www based php gd without installing apache+php? perhaps theres a better gd (ie: perl gd etc.) that might suite your needs better? |
| 12:26.07 | abrotman | install php5-cli perhaps |
| 12:26.16 | cmanns | I don't use apache :P |
| 12:26.26 | abrotman | or ignore me ... |
| 12:26.33 | liable | we do |
| 12:26.40 | cmanns | Well I was going to compile php =/ I just hate setting up gd |
| 12:26.44 | cast_ | who are you talking to liable |
| 12:26.55 | liable | cast_: poking fun at abrotman |
| 12:26.59 | cmanns | Last time I did it (On a centos box fror a guy) I just installed yum's php gd and used that. |
| 12:27.15 | cast_ | liable: yeah, me too ;P |
| 12:27.15 | abrotman | cmanns: install php5-cli |
| 12:27.19 | troubled | liable: you mean reboot binary itself is clearing your history? |
| 12:27.24 | cmanns | Alright |
| 12:27.30 | abrotman | then try to instsall php5-gd again |
| 12:27.33 | cmanns | crap |
| 12:27.36 | abrotman | or install them both at the same time |
| 12:27.48 | liable | troubled: ooh, your making me paranoid now. lemme just check that |
| 12:27.48 | cmanns | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 12:27.49 | troubled | liable: hmmm, can you try strace a fakeroot reboot? |
| 12:28.02 | troubled | liable: see what that sucker is trying to do |
| 12:28.08 | cmanns | Theres no other processes using it. |
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| 12:29.08 | troubled | liable: sorry hehe. I can't speak for sid, but I also can't see the wise old men that keep things sane in debian from ever allowing a change to purposefully erase history on reboot, since it would aide covering an intruders tracks |
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| 12:30.34 | troubled | liable: curious also, when your logged in and you start a bash shell, enter some commands, verify history, then start a second, does the second have access to the same initial history? or is the second empty as well? |
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| 12:31.12 | petemc | troubled: wouldnt that be easy to check? |
| 12:31.18 | troubled | liable: cause i know with a sym'd dev null history, each session has a memory backed history which isnt shared if you follow me |
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| 12:32.23 | liable | troubled: well, just to confuse the issue, this calling of reboot didnt clear it |
| 12:32.30 | troubled | petemc: well, he did say it wasnt a sym link, but i suppose if there was a env var setting the path to the history file incorrectly or fs issues it could be that its not using ~/.bash_history. Myabe echo $HISTORY or whatever the var is |
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| 12:33.00 | troubled | liable: hmmm, mseng must have restored the hacked settings quickly between checks ;) |
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| 12:33.10 | dacs | anyone here with DVD back experince please ? |
| 12:33.21 | liable | hah |
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| 12:33.36 | liable | !kill mseng |
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| 12:33.48 | troubled | hmmm, whats the history var, sec |
| 12:33.55 | cast_ | dacs: and what is a dvd back |
| 12:34.03 | troubled | liable: echo $HISTFILE as root? |
| 12:34.04 | cast_ | dacs: playback, backup? |
| 12:34.12 | liable | tis interesting though, i vaguely noticed this a while back |
| 12:34.38 | liable | ash_history |
| 12:34.42 | liable | b |
| 12:34.52 | troubled | liable: don't feel bad, im still trying to track down the cause of something that keeps changing perms on dev null to 770 |
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| 12:35.30 | liable | not feeling bad at all, i was actually thinking of reinstalling this box a few days ago |
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| 12:35.44 | abrotman | troubled: udev |
| 12:36.04 | liable | i dont think ive been rooted, but i dont have a problem reinstalling it |
| 12:36.13 | dacs | cast: DVD copy |
| 12:36.23 | troubled | abrotman: i was considering that. but its fine on reboot. its after the system is up and I an logged in for a bit. Probably something im running as root. *shrug* |
| 12:36.31 | cast | dacs: nfi. i can rip but don't know how to duplicate |
| 12:36.46 | troubled | liable: so where was $HISTFILE pointing to? |
| 12:36.47 | jelly-home | troubled: strace _everything_ :-) |
| 12:36.56 | liable | troubled: bash_history |
| 12:37.00 | troubled | jelly-home: what a pita that would be |
| 12:37.08 | troubled | liable: not ~/.bash_history?! |
| 12:37.10 | liable | troubled: stop changing your nick :P |
| 12:37.29 | liable | troubled: /root/bash_history to be exact |
| 12:37.44 | troubled | liable: ?! wheres the "."? |
| 12:37.52 | liable | oh |
| 12:37.57 | liable | i forgot it |
| 12:38.11 | liable | its a dot file |
| 12:38.24 | jelly-home | troubled: well, there are only so many root's processes. |
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| 12:38.48 | troubled | liable: what about the 2 sessions of bash test earlier? or are any commands actually being saved to the history file on logout/login? |
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| 12:39.18 | troubled | jelly-home: i suppose I could strace it. But i could be logging strace's for days/weeks to track it |
| 12:39.31 | liable | troubled: i did log out earlier and it did get saved, but there was another root login still active running wpasupp |
| 12:39.54 | dacs | cast: acualy let me correct what i just said...i am having a problem converting avi to dvd, sound doesn't sync |
| 12:39.58 | liable | that was before the first reboot check |
| 12:40.18 | troubled | liable: and grep for bash_history in all the init.d related dir's didnt reveal anything that references your history? |
| 12:40.19 | Raven737 | Hi, question: Ultra Monkey does not have a etch package, is it ok to just use the sarge one? |
| 12:40.50 | liable | troubled: haven't checked yet. |
| 12:40.51 | jelly-home | troubled: so, set up a cron job to alert you when it happens |
| 12:40.51 | SerajewelKS | Raven737: if it will install, probably |
| 12:40.57 | troubled | Raven737: would ultimately depend on the "dependancies" |
| 12:41.29 | Raven737 | ok quess i'll just try and see what happends.. |
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| 12:41.33 | troubled | jelly-home: sounds like work :p |
| 12:41.35 | cast | dacs: ok, for future reference it would be better if you worded your question something like "i am having trouble creating a playable dvd from this avi file, the sound is not syncing. i am using $PROGRAM to do this" |
| 12:42.18 | liable | hmm |
| 12:42.46 | liable | this is confusing |
| 12:42.59 | troubled | liable: more specificaly, take a look in the rc6 and 0 runlvl scripts for something |
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| 12:43.23 | troubled | liable: or at least check if its getting erased on shutdown or startup |
| 12:43.35 | cast | so how can i specify the location of the dir running mutt creates, defaults to ~/Mail/ which i want to change |
| 12:43.48 | liable | http://paste.debian.net/35500 |
| 12:43.52 | troubled | liable: thinking like /tmp gets erased on startup, not shutdown (assuming its not a tmpfs based mount) |
| 12:44.00 | liable | troubled: ^^ can you make sense of that? |
| 12:44.13 | liable | troubled: ya, i know when tmp gets done |
| 12:44.23 | cast | fuck. ignore me, just found man muttrc |
| 12:44.37 | liable | ok |
| 12:44.56 | troubled | liable: hmm, fs issue? do those files actually exist? can you read them? touch them? etc |
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| 12:45.31 | troubled | liable: nm, even on my box some of the sym links dont point to anything |
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| 12:45.40 | SerajewelKS | liable: they are dangling links |
| 12:45.41 | jelly-home | why do disks in raid5 arrays always die in pairs? |
| 12:45.44 | abrotman | troubled: they're softlinks to thinks that don't exist |
| 12:45.44 | liable | inetd is running, how could the file not exist |
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| 12:46.02 | SerajewelKS | liable: there is probably another link |
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| 12:46.10 | liable | SerajewelKS: not the init ones though |
| 12:46.18 | SerajewelKS | liable: find -iname '*ident*' /etc |
| 12:46.19 | troubled | abrotman: ya, i see that (not familiar with the alternatives system 100%) |
| 12:46.34 | abrotman | the init ones could be leftovers |
| 12:46.40 | SerajewelKS | liable: err inetd |
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| 12:47.28 | CreativeOne | Hello folks |
| 12:47.31 | CreativeOne | does anybody uses autofs? |
| 12:47.35 | liable | yeah, it has links in all rc dir |
| 12:47.35 | Scurz | hello |
| 12:47.44 | CreativeOne | how goes it? |
| 12:47.50 | CreativeOne | anybody familiar with AutoFS? |
| 12:47.55 | SerajewelKS | liable: real links or dangling ones? |
| 12:48.02 | SerajewelKS | !tell CreativeOne about poll |
| 12:48.33 | liable | SerajewelKS: real |
| 12:48.43 | CreativeOne | i need autofs not to delete virtual directories upon device removal |
| 12:49.00 | CreativeOne | like autofs automatically creates /mnt/floppy upon floppy disk detection, but upon removal the dir vanishes |
| 12:49.08 | SerajewelKS | liable: there you go then, there are just some extra dangling links |
| 12:49.11 | dacs | how can i list channels in irc, used to be /list? |
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| 12:49.17 | abrotman | dacs: /list |
| 12:49.18 | troubled | liable: so, nothing matched the history grep in /etc/ I assume? |
| 12:49.20 | SerajewelKS | dacs: it still is |
| 12:49.28 | dacs | not working for me |
| 12:49.46 | abrotman | dacs: do it again .. or check another window |
| 12:49.57 | abrotman | you'll either get notice it didnm' |
| 12:49.58 | Scurz | When I'm using aespipe to set a password at an archive (tar.gz per example), aespipe corrupts the archive, why? ideas? |
| 12:50.01 | abrotman | you'll either get notice it didn't work .. or a list |
| 12:50.02 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: why do you need that behaviour |
| 12:50.19 | CreativeOne | SerajewelKS: I need it for one of our customers who claims they need that |
| 12:50.22 | troubled | Scurz: paste the command would be of more help |
| 12:50.23 | lordrich | CreativeOne: mount the directory elsewhere and create a symlink |
| 12:50.28 | CreativeOne | they have a link in their home which points to /mnt/floppy |
| 12:50.36 | Scurz | troubled: okay |
| 12:50.40 | CreativeOne | when there is no /mnt/floppy they simply dotn see that folder on their home dir |
| 12:50.50 | troubled | Scurz: although i dont recall tar supporting passwords. show us what you got |
| 12:50.56 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: that's correct behaviour |
| 12:50.58 | CreativeOne | lordrich: autofs handles the directories for /mnt/fd0 |
| 12:51.05 | dacs | abrotman: yes , i wasn't reading to put -Yes after /list |
| 12:51.08 | troubled | well, star perhaps, but ive never noticed password for tar |
| 12:51.10 | liable | troubled: see the paste i gave, it was grepping for bash history |
| 12:51.22 | lordrich | so make it handle the directory elsewhere and link /mnt/fd0 to that |
| 12:51.27 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: if it's confusing to their users, they need better users :) |
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| 12:51.48 | SerajewelKS | lordrich: you'll get the same behaviour there |
| 12:51.52 | liable | SerajewelKS: i dont get what you mean by that |
| 12:51.53 | CreativeOne | hrm |
| 12:51.56 | CreativeOne | this is my auto.mnt |
| 12:51.56 | CreativeOne | floppy -fstype=vfat,fmask=0111,dmask=0000,rw :/dev/fd0 |
| 12:52.02 | SerajewelKS | liable: what i mean by what |
| 12:52.02 | troubled | liable: ya i seen it, just making sure it wasnt a partial paste. what about ~/.bash_logout? i cant see it being there though since you claim logout didnt erase |
| 12:52.07 | lordrich | yes, but the simlink to the real mount won't disappear |
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| 12:52.19 | CreativeOne | drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 7168 dic 31 1969 Unidad_A// |
| 12:52.31 | CreativeOne | thats the user home dir, Unidad_A |
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| 12:52.42 | CreativeOne | lordrich: it does dissappear. |
| 12:52.46 | SerajewelKS | lordrich: a link to a link to a nonexistant directory will still look like a non-directory (or i'm not reading you right) |
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| 12:53.30 | d0uglas | hi. trying to get a 4 hd raid1+0 fired up, thought it went okay on the installation, but df is only showing one hard drive. Flagged the other three as raids, .. anything i can do now without reinstalling? |
| 12:53.39 | liable | SerajewelKS: the dangling links for inetd in rc2 seeing as its a real link |
| 12:53.39 | d0uglas | want two hds to mirror the other two |
| 12:53.41 | lordrich | but the link will still show up in a directory listing |
| 12:53.52 | lordrich | isn't that what the requirement is? |
| 12:54.08 | liable | troubled: no bash logout |
| 12:54.14 | abrotman | d0uglas: flagged the other three as what type of raid ? |
| 12:54.20 | SerajewelKS | liable: does the target file exist? |
| 12:54.31 | troubled | liable: ok, thats standard, root never got one in sarge/etch, can't speak for lenny+ though |
| 12:54.37 | SerajewelKS | liable: i'm saying there are probably two links in each directory for inetd, one dangling and one not |
| 12:54.39 | CreativeOne | how do you check the symlink of a dir? |
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| 12:54.41 | CreativeOne | ls -la dir? |
| 12:54.47 | d0uglas | hmm memory's hazy but i think the letter K was involved. the only raid flag option that the devel-installer gave |
| 12:54.53 | Scurz | troubled: http://paste.debian.net/35502 |
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| 12:54.56 | troubled | liable: so lets recap. it doesnt happen on every reboot? just some? |
| 12:54.59 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: ls -l dir |
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| 12:55.15 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: `ls -l dir/` gives you the contents -- no / gives you the link |
| 12:55.25 | liable | SerajewelKS: only one link in rc2 for inetd |
| 12:55.36 | CreativeOne | lrwxrwxrwx 1 correo correo 11 jul 19 2004 Unidad_A -> /mnt/floppy |
| 12:55.48 | CreativeOne | Unidad_A in the user $HOME points to /mnt/floppy |
| 12:55.56 | SerajewelKS | liable: shrug... the output of grep says it's dangling, i'm just pointing that out |
| 12:56.02 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: we get that |
| 12:56.09 | CreativeOne | ok |
| 12:56.12 | CreativeOne | autofs handles /mnt/floppy |
| 12:56.16 | d0uglas | abrotman: the installer offered raid 0, 1 and 5 as an option, but not 1+0 |
| 12:56.17 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: what i'm saying is that if you're using autofs, this is how it works |
| 12:56.33 | liable | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 12:56.35 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: if you don't like that then change it, you have the source. otherwise tell your client it can't be done. |
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| 12:56.47 | troubled | Scurz: hmm, why do you < filename > samefilename then do the same to filename.aes on the next line? |
| 12:56.49 | liable | troubled: it appears so. |
| 12:57.03 | abrotman | d0uglas: but what are the three drives now " |
| 12:57.04 | abrotman | ? |
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| 12:57.37 | CreativeOne | SerajewelKS: no way to have the user see the folder in their home $HOME/Unidad_A even if /mnt/floppy does not exist. |
| 12:57.57 | noesc|barbar | If I go to: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ for downloading the latest net-install image. Is it enough to download the first disk or do I have to download something else? |
| 12:58.26 | d0uglas | abrotman: df only shows the first one, mount doesn't list any of the others |
| 12:58.27 | liable | is ls -l ctime or mtime or what? |
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| 12:58.38 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:58.45 | liable | mtime |
| 12:58.55 | abrotman | and that's why you should use real raid controllers :) |
| 12:59.01 | cast | noesc|barbar: netinst is enough |
| 12:59.14 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: no, because the link "is" what it points to |
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| 12:59.26 | d0uglas | well the machine seems to have one that bios triggers, some intel thing, works fine in windows |
| 12:59.30 | Scurz | troubled: it is rather http://paste.debian.net/35504 |
| 12:59.34 | troubled | Scurz: also, it seems its not a gzip since you didnt actually use -z in your tar command |
| 12:59.34 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: if it doesn't exist, then the link doesn't either (or at least opening it will give the same error as if it didn't) |
| 12:59.35 | d0uglas | i've tried installing it with it on and off |
| 12:59.36 | CreativeOne | SerajewelKS: anywhere to create another kind of link or something so the user could see that dir in their home? |
| 12:59.45 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: no |
| 12:59.48 | CreativeOne | SerajewelKS: they just need to see that dir, even if it does not exist. |
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| 12:59.54 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: why, ffs |
| 13:00.02 | troubled | Scurz: file archive*.tar.gz |
| 13:00.04 | CreativeOne | they just ened it dude. |
| 13:00.10 | CreativeOne | i wish there was a logical reason. |
| 13:00.12 | noesc|barbar | cast - and where do I find it? |
| 13:00.19 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: tell them they're being anal |
| 13:00.25 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: or don't use autofs |
| 13:00.34 | SerajewelKS | CreativeOne: or patch autofs |
| 13:00.35 | troubled | Scurz: if anything, you want tar -zcvf and not tar -cvvf |
| 13:00.44 | Scurz | troubled: http://paste.debian.net/35505 |
| 13:00.48 | Scurz | troubled: ok |
| 13:00.51 | cast | noesc|barbar: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 13:01.24 | troubled | Scurz: ya, its just a tar file, you forgot to actually gzip it with -z despite naming it .gz |
| 13:01.34 | Scurz | troubled: I'm going to try with -z |
| 13:01.36 | noesc|barbar | cast - is netinstall allways stable? |
| 13:01.58 | wols | all isntallers are always stable |
| 13:02.10 | wols | there are (usually) no installers for testing or sid |
| 13:02.35 | azeem | d-i betas are for testing |
| 13:02.43 | azeem | but I don't think thre are any for lenny yet |
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| 13:03.51 | junix-other | i need to find a String in a whole bunch of files, all over the system, how do i do this? |
| 13:03.58 | liable | troubled: eh, i think i just realised what it is. this box hangs on reboot every once in awhile with acpi issues. requires a hard reset and it happened just before |
| 13:04.10 | abrotman | junix-other: grep |
| 13:04.27 | Scurz | troubled: My archive is still corrupted with -z |
| 13:04.34 | Raven737 | Hi, Question (again ;): now that i have updated to etch, there are everal messages showing up on boox with a ornage start to the left, like Skipping unavailable/build-in ide_scsi module... should i worry about that? |
| 13:04.39 | liable | troubled: not sure why that would do that with roots bash_history though |
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| 13:05.21 | troubled | liable: bash probably doesnt sync the history to disk before your crash |
| 13:05.21 | junix-other | abrotman: what would the whole command be? |
| 13:05.23 | wols | junix-other: cd /; grep -r <STRING> + |
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| 13:06.05 | troubled | Scurz: repaste your new commands/results plz? |
| 13:06.06 | abrotman | and then watch your system churn |
| 13:06.08 | junix-other | wols: thanks!! |
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| 13:06.26 | liable | troubled: but i havent written to that file, and my user history doesnt get wiped, though its not on / |
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| 13:07.00 | troubled | liable: hmm, what fs type is / anyways? cant see it being a fs issue though |
| 13:07.07 | liable | ext3 |
| 13:08.12 | liable | troubled: the acpi hang is very early in the boot process, but / is obvioulsy already mounted |
| 13:08.32 | troubled | liable: hmm no idea then. It sounds like its probably something simple though. also, maybe try grep for "HISTFILE" in /etc again since a script may be using the env var rather than hardcoded .bash_history |
| 13:08.44 | liable | hrm |
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| 13:09.04 | troubled | liable: well, i cant see a hang on startup erasings only your history file on freeze... |
| 13:09.15 | liable | me either |
| 13:09.48 | liable | but thinking about it, its probably gells with the occasional times it happens |
| 13:10.08 | liable | troubled: nothing interesting |
| 13:10.19 | troubled | liable: well, worst case, try chattr it +a |
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| 13:10.32 | Scurz | troubled: `http://paste.debian.net/35506 |
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| 13:11.35 | troubled | Scurz: hmm, what does file say for archive1 this time? |
| 13:12.13 | Scurz | archive1.tar.gz: Dyalog APL version 61 .116 |
| 13:12.35 | troubled | wtf is dyalog? |
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| 13:12.50 | Scurz | wtf? |
| 13:13.27 | troubled | !wtf |
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| 13:13.41 | troubled | !wtf wtf |
| 13:13.42 | dpkg | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 13:13.52 | Scurz | it's good |
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| 13:14.17 | troubled | !listkeys dyalog |
| 13:14.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dyalog' by key returned no results. |
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| 13:15.15 | hark | giyf |
| 13:15.23 | troubled | hmmm, how did it get dyalog out of a tar is beyond me heh |
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| 13:16.33 | troubled | Scurz: question though, when you aespipe -d < filename, does it decrypt to stdout? or does it just decrypt to the old filename minus .aes? |
| 13:17.11 | cast | http://release.debian.org/lenny-goals.txt Description: All packages should be able to be built twice in a row. <--what does that mean? |
| 13:17.29 | Scurz | troubled: it is good, I make a .tar archive or not .tar.gz |
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| 13:17.38 | Scurz | s/or/and |
| 13:17.39 | troubled | Scurz: try remove the archive.tar.gz file and then aespipe -d < archive.tar.gz.aes and see if it spits garbage on the screen or or creates archive.tar.gz again (it may be just overwritting the file and your not noticing) |
| 13:17.49 | lordrich | It means all packages should be able to be built twice in a row without having to clean anything between builds |
| 13:17.52 | cast | troubled: prints to stdout |
| 13:17.59 | troubled | cast: ahh k, ty |
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| 13:18.15 | troubled | Scurz: nm that then since your redirect would be fine |
| 13:18.22 | lordrich | some packages fail to build when you try compiling them a second time for whatever reason |
| 13:18.39 | Scurz | troubled: yeah |
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| 13:19.35 | cast | lordrich: ahh i see. so there's clutter left from the last compile that interfers |
| 13:19.40 | Scurz | troubled: thank |
| 13:19.43 | Scurz | +s |
| 13:20.23 | ShakaGoldSaint | is there a command i could use to update the fordwaring dns server in bind? |
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| 13:21.00 | troubled | Scurz: how long is your password? |
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| 13:21.40 | Scurz | troubled: 20 characters |
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| 13:21.58 | Raven737 | Question: i just updated from 2.4 kernel sarge to 2.6 etch, now apache+php is between 10.9 and 11.95% slower (using apache ab to test 10,000 requests).. this is on a 4 cpu box and before it didn't even use smp, ow it does an evrything is SLOWER?!.. what happend? (this is lampp apache, it wasn't touched by the update) |
| 13:22.53 | wols | Raven737: now it's a SMP kernel when it was single CPU before? |
| 13:22.54 | liable | hrm, #bash dont have anything interesting to tell |
| 13:23.00 | wols | and it's still apache1? |
| 13:23.04 | troubled | Scurz: hmm, worked 100% here using your syntax and steps |
| 13:23.20 | lordrich | Raven737: in general things should be faster on a 2.6 kernel, not slower. Has the upgrade changed any config files? |
| 13:23.25 | liable | this is something i see i am going to have to find out wtf is going on |
| 13:23.41 | Raven737 | wols: yes, before it was 2.4.something without smp, now it's the latest amd64 one with smp |
| 13:24.03 | wols | Raven737: I'd try apache2. should be better SMP wise |
| 13:24.06 | mseng | lordrich: what makes you say that 2.6 performs faster than 2.4? |
| 13:24.07 | cast | interesting @ `cat /dev/zero|aespipe |cstream -T1 > /dev/null` reaching 105MB/s |
| 13:24.31 | Raven737 | lordrich: no, like i said, apache was in /opt/lampp, not touched by any update |
| 13:24.35 | wols | mseng: at least on SMP, better granularity. better scheduler too |
| 13:25.09 | mseng | wols: i hear C.K. argue that massively |
| 13:25.14 | troubled | Scurz: I used something similar to: tar -zcvf test.tar.gz ~/.bash* ; file test.tar.gz ; aespipe < test.tar.gz > test.tar.gz.aes ; rm test.tar.gz ; file test.tar.gz.aes ; aespipe -d < test.tar.gz.aes > test.tar.gz ; file test.tar.gz ; tar -ztvf test.tar.gz |
| 13:25.22 | troubled | Scurz: try that command exactly and paste the results |
| 13:25.45 | wols | mseng: CK's scheduler is not in the kernel |
| 13:25.50 | Raven737 | wols: i am using apache 2.2.4 |
| 13:26.07 | mseng | wols: did i claim that? |
| 13:26.11 | lordrich | mseng: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:LB01zlu_bJMJ:www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-web26/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us |
| 13:26.18 | wols | Raven737: different network card. that could be a factor too |
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| 13:26.53 | Scurz | troubled: http://paste.debian.net/35508 |
| 13:26.58 | wols | ie. if you had intel before and nvidia now it's possible |
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| 13:27.00 | Raven737 | wols: ? you mean netowork card driver? these are two identical nodes, one updated and one not.. |
| 13:27.06 | peppo | I have about 300-400 dev packages being held back. can someone offer me a clue to what I can to do for an install of any of these not delete various useful packages? |
| 13:27.47 | Scurz | troubled: Problem resolved. ;) |
| 13:27.51 | troubled | Scurz: worked there |
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| 13:28.24 | bulio| | is /etc/network/interfaces the only network configuration file? |
| 13:28.25 | Raven737 | ok well i guess i'll revert back to sarge, then update just the kernel and check perf. again |
| 13:28.27 | peppo | dependency hell: http://rafb.net/p/2EIoqb29.html |
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| 13:28.43 | bulio| | I need to configure debian for two NIC cards |
| 13:28.49 | troubled | Scurz: although your paste never showed the password: prompt like mine did. did you intentionally remove that line? |
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| 13:29.12 | troubled | Scurz: something doesnt add up with your previous pastes |
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| 13:29.24 | wols | Raven737: no. I ASSumed you changed CPUs/mobos and therefore network chips too |
| 13:29.29 | troubled | Scurz: as well as the removing trailing / notice |
| 13:30.33 | peppo | is there a way to purge/undo the last apt-get operation? I accidently pressed Enter on an operation that'd remove tons of useful packages. I ^C'd, but next time I run apt-get it'll just continue removing, right? |
| 13:30.34 | Raven737 | wols: oh, no, just updated lunix to make it up to date and make full use of the machine, now it's slower :( |
| 13:30.54 | liable | wols: does it seem plausible to you that a hard reset early in boot could reset roots bash history? |
| 13:31.00 | troubled | Scurz: or were you just full of bs and trolling for a non existant problem using your self controlled rev dns hostname to cloak yourself with a spoofed ip on irc? |
| 13:31.16 | Scurz | troubled: hein?? |
| 13:31.41 | Scurz | troubled: My problem existed |
| 13:32.02 | Scurz | troubled: but if I use .tar instead .tar.gz. the problem is resolved... |
| 13:32.04 | troubled | Scurz: then why did you doctor your pastes? |
| 13:32.22 | troubled | Scurz: anyways, glad your fixed |
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| 13:32.49 | Scurz | troubled: ... |
| 13:32.49 | MTecknology | getting https to work is getting irritating |
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| 13:33.15 | Scurz | troubled: I don't doctor my pastes... |
| 13:33.22 | wiedenmann | when I modprobe the driver for my NIC how can I see for which eth0,1,2,3,4 it registered? It did for eth2 and I didnt notice. |
| 13:33.37 | cast | look at dmesg? |
| 13:33.38 | MTecknology | I can't find apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 13:34.08 | mbroeker | MTecknology, make a new one :) |
| 13:34.26 | fireba11 | : /join #tomcat |
| 13:34.29 | fireba11 | hu ? |
| 13:34.32 | MTecknology | mbroeker, ? |
| 13:35.16 | troubled | Scurz: tar: Removing leading `/' from member names, and the output of your tar was removed |
| 13:35.39 | abrotman | MTecknology: make-ssl-cert |
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| 13:36.41 | troubled | Scurz: not to mention my syntax was semantically identical to yours |
| 13:37.22 | MTecknology | abrotman, thanks |
| 13:37.24 | cast | and this is when we find out Scurz is running bsd! |
| 13:37.35 | d0uglas | abrotman: good to run into you again.. been a while |
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| 13:37.42 | abrotman | d0uglas: ? |
| 13:37.45 | Zmanu | hello |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | oh crap .. did you get help? :) |
| 13:37.48 | Scurz | cast: lol |
| 13:37.52 | Scurz | cast: i use debian |
| 13:37.53 | Raven737 | What kernel flavor of debian etch should i use for a core 2 quad box? (486,686,686-bigman,amd64 etc) |
| 13:37.57 | abrotman | -686 |
| 13:38.02 | troubled | cast: knoppix! ;p |
| 13:38.03 | Zmanu | i need ginstall on my system, and i don't find it, i use etch |
| 13:38.04 | abrotman | until you know better anyways |
| 13:38.06 | d0uglas | yeah i'm good buddy just impressed to see you still hard at work helping the community |
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| 13:38.15 | maxamillion | Scurz: debian has bsd ports ;) |
| 13:38.17 | iratik | How do i see the processor info from the command line |
| 13:38.23 | Scurz | maxamillion: I know |
| 13:38.27 | Zmanu | i install fileutils, but i only have ginstall-info, is someone can help me find this program ? |
| 13:38.30 | Raven737 | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:38.31 | cast | iratik: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:38.41 | Scurz | but I don't use bsd ports of debian |
| 13:38.41 | iratik | thanks |
| 13:38.54 | bulio| | is /etc/network/interfaces the only network configuration file? |
| 13:38.56 | bulio| | I need to configure debian for two NIC cards |
| 13:38.56 | maxamillion | Scurz: i was only kidding ... bad joke, sorry :/ |
| 13:38.58 | troubled | cast: not to mention i have ABOSOLUTELY _0_ respect for people with rev dns authority since 99.99999% of the time they _cannot_ be trusted whatsoever |
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| 13:39.15 | Scurz | maxamillion: :D |
| 13:39.27 | robboplus | is anyone from north germany around please? |
| 13:39.56 | maxamillion | bulio|: well its the one used by ifup/ifdown so its the default one .... i can't say if its the only one because i don't know, but i do know that its the only one i use and it can be used to configure more than 1 interface |
| 13:40.01 | mbroeker | robboplus, yes i am from nothern germany... |
| 13:40.04 | cast | Raven737: could run amd64 port |
| 13:40.48 | bulio| | on another note, how can I add a user account? |
| 13:40.54 | mbroeker | robboplus, aber ich will gleich duschen, also komm in die puschen :) |
| 13:40.59 | bulio| | is there something like useradd, but takes you through the steps? |
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| 13:41.08 | Raven737 | cast: ok i'll try it, thx |
| 13:41.41 | cast | bulio|: adduser? |
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| 13:43.15 | troubled | what is the story with adduser and useradd anyways? |
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| 13:44.28 | azeem | troubled: what story? |
| 13:44.33 | azeem | use adduser |
| 13:44.48 | cast | lack of adduser on opensolaris annoys me, on a side note :| |
| 13:45.38 | troubled | azeem: the fact that there are 2 seperate tools to do the same thing |
| 13:45.51 | azeem | troubled: there's 2+ editors in Debian as well |
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| 13:47.04 | troubled | azeem: yes, just curious though since its more of a system essential tool rather than a standard app I suppose. Not like we have 2 diff pam's running at the same time etc. Just curious anyways |
| 13:47.23 | azeem | yeah, well |
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| 13:47.29 | azeem | there's more than 2 init systems as well |
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| 13:47.44 | azeem | useradd is part of passwd, so it's hard to kill I guess |
| 13:47.53 | cast | it probably went: useradd was the original tool, then the gnu project decided it sucked and wrote adduser, but had to keep [a clone of] useradd around for backwards compatibility |
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| 13:48.38 | alex^^ | hi im wanting to mount a NTFS drive thats on the network on my debian box |
| 13:48.40 | azeem | cast: actually, adduser was written by Debian |
| 13:48.47 | cast | azeem: yeah, was just looking at that |
| 13:48.48 | alex^^ | is a shared dir |
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| 13:49.07 | cast | azeem: well, that i couldnt work out who wrote adduser or useradd :) |
| 13:49.17 | mbroeker | robboplus, well, seems, that you cannot cross the border, right? |
| 13:49.34 | troubled | azeem: interesting. no biggie, just found it odd there were two |
| 13:49.51 | maxamillion | alex^^: what desktop environment are you running? |
| 13:50.11 | cast | alex^^: so the NTFS drive is a network drive? maybe samba is what you want? |
| 13:50.33 | alex^^ | im on a debian box, i wish to connect to a NTFS drive (shared) on the network :) |
| 13:50.38 | alex^^ | should i just mount? |
| 13:50.48 | alex^^ | not desktop enviro - terminal |
| 13:51.03 | cast | but how is it shared. NFS? CIFS? AFS? |
| 13:51.05 | xand | alex^^: ntfs has nothing to do with it... you need to mount -t smbfs |
| 13:51.10 | xand | alex^^: (probably) |
| 13:51.17 | alex^^ | ah right, its nfs |
| 13:51.28 | alex^^ | windows xp shared directory - nfs yes? |
| 13:51.34 | xand | no, smbfs/cifs |
| 13:51.41 | alex^^ | right |
| 13:51.58 | xand | mount -t cifs -o username=blah,workgroup=blah //server/share /mnt/blah |
| 13:52.36 | alex^^ | ty |
| 13:53.14 | cast | so what does one need to install to mount cifs shares? |
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| 13:53.26 | cast | [just mount, not export your own] |
| 13:53.32 | xand | cast: don't know, maybe samba-common or smbfs |
| 13:55.00 | liable | which wouldn't surprise me either |
| 13:55.06 | liable | doh |
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| 13:56.47 | alex^^ | server1:/mnt# mount -t cifs -o username=alex,workgroup=workgourp //Al-17580516b9fc/Storage /mnt/test/ |
| 13:56.47 | alex^^ | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on //Al-17580516b9fc/Storage, |
| 13:56.50 | alex^^ | hmmm =/ |
| 13:57.03 | cast | any americans want to tell me what the difference between priority mail international and express mail international? other than 7USD |
| 13:57.05 | alex^^ | ah - typo |
| 13:57.20 | alex^^ | hmmm fixed typo still doesnt work |
| 13:57.50 | cast | use smbfs |
| 13:58.01 | alex^^ | cast: smbfs doesnt work either |
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| 13:58.04 | cast | maybe, anyway. |
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| 13:58.39 | bola | I need to change the static ip of my debian server, how can i do it remotely, and without restarting? |
| 13:58.44 | xand | alex^^: apt-get install smbfs |
| 13:58.45 | bola | I have changed the ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:58.55 | bola | can i run restart on the network init script? |
| 13:59.04 | bola | or whats the recomended way? |
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| 14:01.57 | alex^^ | xand: thanks that worked |
| 14:02.38 | ErikRose | Is there a straightforward way (short of pulling out a RAID member) to take a snapshot of the state of the packages on a system, do an upgrade, then roll it back if I don't like the results? |
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| 14:04.51 | tru_`z24 | Where the hell is cf/readme? |
| 14:05.02 | abrotman | ErikRose: make a backup ? |
| 14:05.03 | keith4 | cf? |
| 14:05.10 | abrotman | coldfusion! |
| 14:05.16 | tru_`z24 | Yeah, i saw a msg that says "check cf/readme" |
| 14:05.22 | tru_`z24 | not coldfusion :-) |
| 14:05.29 | tru_`z24 | on debian/ubuntu |
| 14:05.34 | ErikRose | abrotman: Yep, but that's more cumbersome than I'm hoping for. |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | ErikRose: you can save a package list .. |
| 14:05.56 | ErikRose | That sounds good. Tell me more. :-) |
| 14:06.04 | ErikRose | What can I google? |
| 14:06.16 | abrotman | it's just a list of what is installed .. |
| 14:06.20 | abrotman | not anything more than that |
| 14:06.26 | ErikRose | Versions and all? |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | nope |
| 14:06.37 | ErikRose | Aww. Hmmm. |
| 14:06.45 | abrotman | you could save the dpkg status .. but i'm not sure how helpful that would be either |
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| 14:06.52 | ErikRose | The use case I mostly forsee is rolling back versions. |
| 14:07.11 | abrotman | well .. downgrade of packages isn't really supported |
| 14:07.17 | ErikRose | Rats. |
| 14:08.01 | sam34 | hi, how can i join 2 files that have 2 colums each (1 column is shared)? the files have different number of lines and are unsorted |
| 14:08.20 | abrotman | !bashfaq |
| 14:08.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
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| 14:08.25 | abrotman | maybe .. or ask #bash |
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| 14:08.54 | cast | check / into a subversion and do a revert after |
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| 14:09.00 | sam34 | thanks |
| 14:09.00 | xerophyte0 | how can i list all the nats rules with iptables ? |
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| 14:09.13 | cast | s/ a // |
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| 14:10.53 | liable | troubled: just had the acpi problem again, and it didnt clear the history.. |
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| 14:11.50 | troubled | liable: hmmm. seems like you need to get the reproducability down first before you will catch this problem. interesting issue though, wish I had your setup to play with |
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| 14:12.16 | liable | troubled: yeah, its certainly interesting |
| 14:12.18 | keith4 | this is a very long shot... but does anyone know if debian-multimedia.org repos is going to backport changes to mythtv packages? |
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| 14:13.10 | liable | keith4: dont think they can actually do it |
| 14:13.18 | keith4 | ? |
| 14:13.31 | liable | depends would be the issue |
| 14:13.41 | liable | so it would get nasty |
| 14:14.12 | liable | and they dont do that sort of thing |
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| 14:14.48 | keith4 | well, specifically the zap2it -> schedules direct change |
| 14:15.01 | liable | ask the ML |
| 14:17.00 | keith4 | which? |
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| 14:17.18 | liable | i dont know, surely it has one |
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| 14:17.56 | abrotman | ask the maintainer |
| 14:19.24 | keith4 | i sent him an email, but i don't think Marillat is known for getting back to people |
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| 14:20.15 | alex^^ | how do i list all user accounts on my system? |
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| 14:20.28 | cast | cat /etc/passwd |
| 14:20.42 | alex^^ | ta |
| 14:21.11 | cast | cat /etc/passwd|cut -d':' -f1 :) |
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| 14:21.27 | cast | my bad. cut -d':' -f1 /etc/passwd |
| 14:22.09 | tru_`z24 | how can i fix this warning: sendmail[19265]: unable to qualify my own domain name (localhost) -- using short name |
| 14:22.14 | tru_`z24 | it slows sendmail down |
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| 14:22.41 | keith4 | configure sendmail so that it doesn't think its domain name is "localhost" |
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| 14:22.47 | larsl | Hello, I just installed Lenny on a new laptop - Santa Rosa-based with Intel X3000 graphics. The installation went fine, but when I try to start the display manager I get the X error messages "GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such file or directory)" followed by lots of "Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low?" and finally "Couldn't allocate video memory". |
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| 14:23.30 | larsl | Any idea how to fix that? I know that I need the free drivers from Intel to get acceleration, but I thought standard drivers would work for normal VESA at least. |
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| 14:24.19 | larsl | There is no file called /dev/agpgart. |
| 14:24.50 | Christoph_vW | I installed a new mainboard in my server - now the system hangs with "Waiting for root filesystem..." at startup |
| 14:24.53 | troubled | liable: curious, did you ever chattr it +a? |
| 14:24.55 | Christoph_vW | any ideas how to fix this? |
| 14:25.12 | liable | troubled: nope |
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| 14:26.14 | liable | troubled: my shit memory and my use of dodgy experimental kernels leads me to think its possibly oopses. |
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| 14:26.24 | troubled | liable: seems like a band-aid fix, but if something were by chance doing something nefarious that is being logged in the history file, enough to justify clearing it in a hurry, then theres a slight chance that +a would stop it and help detect what command might have been issued to remove it. although i dont know 100% all the cases bash uses when logging history |
| 14:26.37 | Suara | hola! |
| 14:26.45 | solitude| | anyone know why im getting this error? |
| 14:26.46 | solitude| | hlt32@Lucy:~$ apt-cache search perl | less |
| 14:26.46 | solitude| | -bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 14:27.13 | troubled | solitude|: you play with ulimits by chance? |
| 14:27.18 | Suara | como puedo saber si mi sistema tiene activado el swap y la carga de paginado? |
| 14:27.25 | Ronin | !br |
| 14:27.25 | dpkg | Este canal รฉ apenas em inglรชs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 14:27.31 | liable | troubled: i have been runnning wireless-dev for a while, and had my share of BUGs and oopses, so i am leaning that way atm |
| 14:27.39 | solitude| | troubled, i added one, but removed it after getting this :/ |
| 14:27.56 | troubled | solitude|: did you relogin after you removed the ulimit? |
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| 14:28.18 | liable | troubled: i just did a hard reset without shutdown and it didnt do it, but am thinking oops might |
| 14:28.24 | DustyDingo | can anybody tell me what happened to the ibm modul for controlling thinkpads in recent kernels? |
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| 14:28.39 | larsl | I tried modprobing intel_agp before starting gdm, but that caused the screen to go completely black instead. |
| 14:28.52 | solitude| | troubled, ah, ok |
| 14:28.53 | larsl | And I can't switch back to virtual terminal 1. |
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| 14:29.05 | DustyDingo | i can't find any proper package for it in debian and by now i want to use the stock kernel (2.6.22) |
| 14:29.09 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: ibm-acpi? |
| 14:29.21 | troubled | liable: just seems odd that it always zero's the file. anything in lost+found that might be the old history file by chance? |
| 14:29.30 | liable | hrm |
| 14:29.31 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: yes, i think thats how the call it |
| 14:29.36 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: it was renamed to thinkpad-acpi |
| 14:30.07 | liable | troubled: nope |
| 14:30.09 | solitude| | just to confuse us |
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| 14:30.29 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: ah, the modul is part of the linux-image package |
| 14:30.29 | runev | anyone know how i might be able to get norwegian characters in aterm? works fine in xterm, but only getting stuff like , รธ รฅ etc in aterm |
| 14:30.32 | DustyDingo | ok, got it |
| 14:31.18 | liable | troubled: though it says.. total 52 and only shows . and .. ? |
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| 14:31.33 | troubled | liable: chattr +a the file and wait and see if it ever happens again. would be interesting to catch something. At least you would know that if it gets zero'd again, something either -a'd it and erased it or its a serious fs issue |
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| 14:31.43 | troubled | liable: fsck time perhaps? |
| 14:32.02 | DustyDingo | *grml* it seems they changed alot, so i have to update my scripts |
| 14:32.12 | Suara | As far as i know, there is no way to print from a lexmark x2350 under debian. Anyone call tell me if he was able to?? |
| 14:32.13 | DustyDingo | no ecdump interface anymore |
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| 14:32.25 | liable | troubled: i dont believe it to be fs issue |
| 14:32.31 | roland_^ | lksdflksdf |
| 14:32.31 | roland_^ | sodfps |
| 14:32.32 | roland_^ | ofpsdfosd |
| 14:32.45 | liable | troubled: i'll give the chatr a go though |
| 14:32.47 | DustyDingo | Suara: have a look on working drivers for cups |
| 14:33.29 | DustyDingo | Suara: http://openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi |
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| 14:34.42 | dusk | hello, I am trying to reinstall apache2.. apt-get install apache2 installs apache.. but it does not install the folder /etc/apache2 |
| 14:35.02 | DustyDingo | dusk: did you removed the config files by yourself? |
| 14:35.04 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: what'd you use that for, fan control or something else? |
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| 14:35.11 | DustyDingo | *remove |
| 14:35.16 | dusk | DustyDingo: I didn't, but someone did, yes. :) |
| 14:35.23 | abrotman | dusk: /msg dpkg confmiss .. you want apache2.2-common |
| 14:35.25 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: fan controll, leds,... |
| 14:35.31 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: anyway, I suppose you know about www.thinkwiki.org . |
| 14:35.32 | xand | quack |
| 14:35.44 | Suara | DustyDingo, http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-x2350 |
| 14:35.47 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: ;) |
| 14:35.54 | troubled | liable: well, least it should never happen again, and if it does, you know its intentional if you follow my logic (and assuming its not fs or oops related) |
| 14:36.06 | Suara | DustyDingo, thats, what i have read about... |
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| 14:36.08 | liable | troubled: ya |
| 14:36.33 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: modinfo thinkpad-acpi ... fan control can be done with /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
| 14:36.44 | dusk | hmm, that didn't work |
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| 14:36.50 | liable | troubled: though if it is a rooting, then its still moot |
| 14:37.18 | dusk | ok I lied |
| 14:37.19 | dusk | it worke |
| 14:37.19 | dusk | d |
| 14:37.39 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: i considered dumping hex values into the internal controller much easier ;) |
| 14:37.46 | dusk | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 14:37.49 | dusk | what the hell |
| 14:38.30 | Suara | DustyDingo, trough qemu, would be a possible way? |
| 14:38.47 | jelly-home | DustyDingo: documentation says experimental=1 gets you ecdump interface back |
| 14:38.51 | simonrvn | missing module; need to enable ... sec |
| 14:39.28 | DustyDingo | jelly-home: ah nice |
| 14:39.37 | DustyDingo | Suara: don't know |
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| 14:40.04 | dusk | what module is "Order" in? |
| 14:40.09 | troubled | liable: well, the problem with a root kit is that its logic is probably hard coded. unless they have logic to check if its +a then zero it and re +a the file or just erase it regardless, theres a good chance you can catch the script in action doing something |
| 14:40.17 | simonrvn | dusk: hold please |
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| 14:42.17 | solitude| | how can i set a diskspace quota for a user? |
| 14:42.21 | abrotman | !quota |
| 14:42.21 | dpkg | from memory, quota is a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
| 14:42.23 | alex^^ | im trying to setup a virtual user with proftpd. i can see the users in /etc/passwd, but i need to know how i can point proftpd to a certian dir |
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| 14:43.03 | solitude| | abrotman, as far as i can tell, the quota man page doesnt tell me how to set the quota, just view the quota. |
| 14:43.10 | alex^^ | the proftp user i should say |
| 14:43.25 | solitude| | mind pointing me something a bit more specific please? :) |
| 14:43.31 | larsl | How do I create the /dev/agpgart device file? Which module is that? |
| 14:43.38 | simonrvn | dusk mod_autoindex |
| 14:43.40 | ErikRose | Anybody ever try apt-checkpoint? I wonder if it's dead. |
| 14:43.59 | jelly-home | solitude|: that man page tells you to SEE ALSO some other man pages. |
| 14:44.03 | dusk | simonrvn: how can i install it |
| 14:44.05 | abrotman | there's a quotatool |
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| 14:44.22 | simonrvn | dusk: a2enmod |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | ErikRose: it's not in etch |
| 14:44.36 | ErikRose | Well, then. :-) |
| 14:44.38 | liable | troubled: ya |
| 14:44.45 | dusk | simonrvn: dont see it |
| 14:44.48 | jelly-home | solitude|: edquota, qoutacheck, and quotaon among others. |
| 14:44.50 | solitude| | ah, great, thanks :) |
| 14:44.58 | simonrvn | dusk: also in one of the base modules (that's one of them).a2enmod is a command |
| 14:45.08 | simonrvn | dusk: sec |
| 14:46.23 | dusk | simonrvn: #a2enmod autoindex; /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload; Invalid command 'Order' |
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| 14:48.43 | simonrvn | dusk: a2enmod mod_authz_host |
| 14:48.50 | xand | is testing reasonably stable atm? |
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| 14:49.02 | simonrvn | dusk: sorry, wrong mod, but autoindex is nice to have enabled too |
| 14:49.20 | Kage[Work] | I need some help with my apt. I think my sources are debunked, because I keep getting "no installation candidate" errors |
| 14:49.27 | dusk | simonrvn: it's cool.. thing is.. now I can't pull files down |
| 14:49.30 | dusk | http://gowowzers.com |
| 14:49.31 | Kage[Work] | Can someone pastebin me a good sources list? |
| 14:49.55 | abrotman | !tell Kage[Work] about sources.list |
| 14:50.20 | abrotman | xand: it has been for me .. except that acpi decided to start doing stuff when i close my laptop lid |
| 14:50.32 | Kage[Work] | abrotman: Could you make that bot -not- PM people? :/ |
| 14:50.53 | simonrvn | dusk: you should set up your Order thingy; to allow everyone you do Order allow,deny(newline)Allow from all |
| 14:51.00 | Miles_Prower | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/6a17/ Maaan i so want one. would have to get orange led's and hack it to use them though. |
| 14:51.15 | abrotman | Kage[Work]: could you not mess up your sources.list |
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| 14:51.17 | dusk | simonrvn: where, inside httpd.conf? |
| 14:51.42 | simonrvn | dusk: wherever that vhost is |
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| 14:52.16 | dusk | simonrvn: im kinda new at this.. and never setup vhosts |
| 14:52.17 | Kage[Work] | abrotman: No need to be an ass, just saying, a lot of people don't generally like being PMed unless they know beforehand |
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| 14:52.30 | Worm | what a shame i have to pay a license for a modem driver :@ |
| 14:52.33 | abrotman | Kage[Work]: how did you think you were going to get a sources.list ? |
| 14:52.47 | abrotman | Kage[Work]: anyways .. you have your answer |
| 14:52.49 | simonrvn | dusk: ok, so wherever that site is, probably your default or something |
| 14:52.58 | dusk | yea |
| 14:53.00 | dusk | sites-enabled |
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| 14:53.17 | abrotman | Kage[Work]: it's also possible the package was removed |
| 14:53.18 | dusk | sites-available |
| 14:53.23 | xand | ohnoes, a bot PMing! |
| 14:53.24 | simonrvn | dusk: yeh, but don't edit those, edit in sites-available |
| 14:53.26 | lord_rob | Hi ! My debian is configured to use ISO8859-1 encoding, and I'd like to switch to UTF-8, how do I do that ? |
| 14:53.32 | Kage[Work] | abrotman: subversion? libgcc? :P |
| 14:53.34 | abrotman | Kage[Work]: you can check at packages.debian.org to see what should be available |
| 14:53.37 | cameronm | hey guys, is the accepted way on Debian to restore iptables rules to do it w/ a 'up' command in /etc/network/interfaces? If so, is there a standard place to save the rules to? |
| 14:53.46 | abrotman | Kage[Work]: libgcc was totally removed .. system shutting down :) |
| 14:53.47 | Kage[Work] | It works now |
| 14:53.48 | Kage[Work] | Thanks |
| 14:53.55 | dusk | simonrvn: ok, im in sites-availble/default |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | Kage[Work]: also don't forget to do aptitude updates before trying to install |
| 14:54.40 | simonrvn | cameronm: not really. see /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples if you want one |
| 14:54.53 | dusk | simonrvn: it says that /var/www = Order allow,deny \n allow from all |
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| 14:54.58 | wildchild | i need to download attachments from a pop3 mailbox and save them to a directory... does anyone have an idea what app could help me ? |
| 14:55.00 | cameronm | simonrvn: oh ok, i'll look through that, thanks |
| 14:55.22 | dusk | wildchild: mutt? |
| 14:55.33 | abrotman | i think he means a script |
| 14:55.39 | liable | troubled: interesting sidenote, i just realised by history starts with a dhclient command, so its missing a modprobe and ifconfig command after boot.. |
| 14:55.45 | simonrvn | dusk: ok, so check apache2.conf for any Order deny,allow\nallow from someIPaddressOrNetmask |
| 14:56.02 | wildchild | dusk -> what abrotman says - i need it script based |
| 14:56.05 | simonrvn | dusk: also httpd.conf if you edited that |
| 14:56.21 | abrotman | wildchild: google or freshmeat perhaps |
| 14:56.21 | dusk | Oder allow,deny |
| 14:56.24 | dusk | Deny from all |
| 14:56.34 | liable | Oder |
| 14:56.35 | liable | ? |
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| 14:56.40 | dusk | Order |
| 14:56.47 | liable | stinky! |
| 14:56.53 | troubled | liable: but do the other commands use bash or sh? (or a variant) |
| 14:57.02 | wildchild | abrotman, already googled my ass off :( |
| 14:57.11 | abrotman | freshmeat! |
| 14:57.17 | dusk | simonrvn: still won't load :( |
| 14:57.18 | liable | troubled: they are all called by me |
| 14:57.21 | wildchild | abrotman, i'll try freshmeat now, thats a good idea, but i doubt i'll be successfull |
| 14:57.23 | liable | troubled: so bash |
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| 14:57.36 | SoulChild | Hi all, i am looking for a E-Mail Client, which does not donwload all Mails, instead caching them while reading, cause i don't want to waste space on my HD |
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| 14:57.43 | abrotman | wildchild: do you need to save them .. or just detach them ? |
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| 14:57.50 | lordrich | wildchild: fetchmail will get the emails, maybe use some perl to extract the attachments? |
| 14:57.50 | wildchild | SoulChild, any imap client ? |
| 14:58.01 | troubled | liable: do they show up when you run "history"? curious if they just havent been flushed to disk yet |
| 14:58.12 | abrotman | wildchild: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=strip+attachments+mbox&btnG=Search .. #2 looks promising |
| 14:58.28 | wildchild | abrotman, lordrich, i don't need the mails just the attachments, seperated by senders |
| 14:58.30 | liable | troubled: this is from the start of the file, which is about 5 boots ago now |
| 14:58.47 | SoulChild | wildchild: IMAP ? hmmm something like thunderbird? |
| 14:58.48 | troubled | liable: ive noticed an issue with the file not being up to date comapred to "history" often. Just not sure if it gets sync'd on a timer or when sync is called |
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| 14:59.14 | liable | troubled: i just managed to get it to shutdown uncleanly with acpi issues, but it didnt clear the file |
| 14:59.15 | wildchild | SoulChild, for example. that would work. with imap mails stay on the server. |
| 14:59.18 | Christoph_vW | how can I repair "Alert! dev/disk .... does not exist" from busybox? |
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| 14:59.20 | simonrvn | dusk: there's something else there. you'll have to go root around |
| 14:59.24 | liable | troubled: i do have noatime as well |
| 14:59.34 | Christoph_vW | there is no /etc/fstab - so I can not mount the hdd |
| 14:59.45 | stiv2k | heyfor soem reason /etc/init.d/hwclock is broken on my system it freezes the machine every time i shut down or reboot...i disabled it for now but now my clock is always 4 hours off (timezoner problem) ....???? |
| 14:59.52 | simonrvn | Christoph_vW: uh yes you can |
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| 14:59.54 | dusk | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 15:00.04 | simonrvn | dusk: GL finding it |
| 15:00.07 | lordrich | wildchild: you're going to struggle to get the attachments without the emails, fetchmail, procmail and perl together will do what you want |
| 15:00.13 | troubled | liable: i cant see atime updates affecting it. unless it was an fs issue. but in that case, the journal should undo the corruption and restore it at least back to the state before the panic |
| 15:00.36 | wildchild | abrotman, lordrich thanks for the suggestions, fetchmail combined with that python script from the google search looks good! |
| 15:00.53 | wildchild | lordrich, i was already going to write it myself in php, but decided to ask here first |
| 15:01.14 | liable | hrm |
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| 15:01.46 | Christoph_vW | simonrvn: how? I always get "mount: Cannot read /etc/fstab" then |
| 15:02.00 | larsl_ | OK, got X to work - upgrading to kernel 2.6.21 fixed it. |
| 15:02.16 | runev | anyone know how i might be able to get norwegian characters in aterm? works fine in xterm, but only getting stuff like , รธ รฅ etc in aterm |
| 15:02.19 | simonrvn | Christoph_vW: how are you trying to use mount? |
| 15:02.22 | troubled | liable: i mean, unless the changes made to a file are larger than the journal size, I cant see how it could result in a zero'd file. Im no fs guru though. |
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| 15:02.38 | larsl_ | Are there any repositories with prebuilt RT-patched kernels for 64-bit SMP that work with normal Debian? |
| 15:02.43 | AnyFile | Is there a way to install php without installing apache? (I just need to use it to check the syntax of a php file) |
| 15:02.45 | Christoph_vW | simonrvn: mount /dev/hde1 /mnt/test |
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| 15:03.29 | lordrich | AnyFile: php5-cli |
| 15:03.35 | simonrvn | it might be trying to guess the fstype via fstab, try specifying it |
| 15:03.41 | liable | troubled: me either. i just touched forcefsck and trying to get it to baulk again with acpi (messing with the wireless drivers seems to be reproducable) bbiab |
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| 15:03.46 | Christoph_vW | already tried... |
| 15:04.04 | troubled | liable: gl |
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| 15:06.51 | simonrvn | Christoph_vW: ok, looks like you'll have to go find a backup and restore it or make it from scratch |
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| 15:07.22 | liable | troubled: no luck. interesting |
| 15:07.42 | troubled | liable: no luck for what though? crashing it? or reproducing the zero'd file? |
| 15:08.05 | liable | zero'd file |
| 15:08.46 | liable | i didnt get a fsck at boot either and the file was right, and no longer existing |
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| 15:09.09 | troubled | liable: well, its +a still right? technically it should be impossible to zero since the kernel wont allow you to alter the existing data (short of messing up the inodes and thus remove all reference to the file completly) |
| 15:09.36 | sdive | hi, when I try to upload files to my debian server via scp the server complains about the fact that scp is not installed even though it is. enabling sftp for sybsystem doesn't work either. any thoughts? |
| 15:09.52 | liable | troubled: yeah, but that kills the oops/crash/hard reset theory |
| 15:10.13 | liable | doesnt it? |
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| 15:11.02 | Christoph_vW | system is working again :) |
| 15:11.13 | Christoph_vW | mounted hde1 and changed fstab |
| 15:11.13 | simonrvn | Christoph_vW: \o/ |
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| 15:12.23 | Christoph_vW | at least nearly working - only 5 hdds are mounted... |
| 15:13.01 | troubled | liable: hmmm, perhaps only +i would defend against any/all alteration. Else atime/ctime/mtime couldnt be altered. and if they can be altered then it seems like it should still be possible to corrupt the file by messing up the initial inode for the file. Question is, under what circumstances does the first one get altered? During update I would assume since your appending data? (ie: mtime) |
| 15:13.53 | troubled | liable: or are all the a/c/mtime's stored in a superblock or something? sorry, my understanding of fs fat's is limited |
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| 15:14.13 | Raven737 | ok stupid question: with the -amd64 kernel etch should be full 64bit os, right? |
| 15:14.25 | liable | no |
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| 15:14.32 | troubled | i really would hate to have to go look up the fs struct to find out that |
| 15:14.33 | Raven737 | ow :( |
| 15:14.34 | Dark-Fx | Raven737: no, you can still run a 32-bit userspace |
| 15:15.59 | Raven737 | ok so who do i know what userspace i'm running in and how might i change it? |
| 15:16.08 | liable | troubled: all very interesting questions of which i have no clue. and i think fs stuff is prolly at the crutch of this issue if it is indeed caused by kernel oops or similar |
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| 15:17.24 | troubled | liable: what im wondering is if its possible that the mtime is being updated during oops, since thats the only time I could see the affected area being touched. Think along the lines of what happens when people get a crypto fs unable to boot sometimes on crash; seems to be cause the superblock gets updated and the whole 512 sector gets garbled during the panic |
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| 15:18.28 | Bogus8 | how does the Opteron's really excel compared to an athlon? |
| 15:18.33 | troubled | liable: im just wondering if the mtime is being updated during the crash and not being recovered properly during journal recovery. perhaps try a script to contsantly hammer appending data to the history file and then try crash it and see if it losses the history file? |
| 15:18.39 | Bogus8 | they are WAY more expensive and the specs look very similar |
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| 15:19.28 | svensk_neutrino | i typed apt-get update and it dloaded some files |
| 15:19.38 | Dark-Fx | Bogus8: because the opterons allow multiprocessor communication? |
| 15:19.39 | svensk_neutrino | now i want it to revert to the way it was before i ran apt-get update |
| 15:19.43 | svensk_neutrino | i dont want those files to stay |
| 15:19.57 | troubled | liable: as for your dhclient command being in the file and the 2 other commands missing, perhaps that can be explained by a delay in entering commands? ie: history was flushed to the file after dhclient, and you crashed just afterwords before the other commands were sync'd? |
| 15:20.15 | simonrvn | Bogus8: i wouldn't be surprised if it was a very similar machine with *maybe* some extra on the opteron (typical corporate scam) |
| 15:20.23 | Bogus8 | Dark-Fx: so if you are using them in a single cpu system there is no reason not to get an Opteron? |
| 15:20.24 | Dark-Fx | svensk_neutrino: I don't know of an easy way to do that, but someone else may |
| 15:20.35 | liable | troubled: yup, i need to get a good oops i think. i have been getting acpi to play up a bit, but i think i need a good reproducable bug |
| 15:20.44 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: that's what it's smelling like to me |
| 15:21.01 | noesc|barbar | Is someone in here from sweden and could help me with my sources.list? |
| 15:21.02 | abrotman | Bogus8: ask #hardware |
| 15:21.09 | abrotman | noesc|barbar: what's wrong with them ? |
| 15:21.18 | troubled | liable: when you get the panic, does it just hard reboot? or do you get a standard panic dump to screen? |
| 15:21.32 | liable | troubled: thinking about that part of it makes it even more confusing |
| 15:21.34 | troubled | liable: actually, why not just use sysctl and issue a panic? |
| 15:21.49 | noesc|barbar | I get: "Unkown error excecuting gpgv" when I try to apt-get update. |
| 15:21.51 | troubled | liable: pretty sure theres a "panic" command in there |
| 15:21.53 | svensk_neutrino | can you tell me of any easy way to upgrade to php5 without requiring gcc download and some other pkgs that it does if i do apt-get install php5. i have already php4 running.. |
| 15:22.02 | abrotman | noesc|barbar: is there a gpgv binary on your system ? |
| 15:22.05 | Dark-Fx | Bogus8: you'd also have to look deep into how the processor operates. They may be more efficent for certain types of calculations. |
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| 15:22.10 | abrotman | !find bin/gpgv etch |
| 15:22.13 | Dark-Fx | I couldn't really tell you as I haven't looked into it |
| 15:22.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gpgv' (3): (/usr/bin/gpgv) in utils/gpgv ;; (/usr/bin/gpgv2) in utils/gnupg2 ;; (/usr/lib/news/bin/gpgverify) in news/inn2. |
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| 15:22.32 | abrotman | noesc|barbar: is the gpgv package installed ? |
| 15:22.36 | AcidMaX | anyone here use debian with postgresql with large storage systems? |
| 15:22.44 | Bogus8 | Dark-Fx: probably not worth the 100 bucks+ premium though, in typical applications |
| 15:22.52 | liable | troubled: i am not getting real oopses atm, i think when it occured i was scrolling through history with ^r and it farted and i rebooted, but i cant reproduce |
| 15:23.00 | AcidMaX | we were looking at an msa70 but it appears it wont work with debian |
| 15:23.13 | AcidMaX | so i was curious what debian users are doing for large db servers & storage |
| 15:23.14 | abrotman | i don't think that's a pgsql problem :) |
| 15:23.36 | noesc|barbar | abrotman - I've installed gpgv yes |
| 15:23.38 | abrotman | AcidMaX: do other distros support it ? |
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| 15:23.44 | abrotman | noesc|barbar: and still errors ? |
| 15:23.45 | troubled | liable: well, if you (err sysrq not sysctl ehe) sysrq - panic the box, you can at least try eliminate or verify if the crash is causing it |
| 15:23.47 | noesc|barbar | yes |
| 15:23.58 | abrotman | noesc|barbar: aptitude update ? |
| 15:24.02 | liable | troubled: i have two cards in here atm, and i can get it to mention acpi issues at shutdown, and often at reboot, but it doesnt seem to reproduce the file roblem |
| 15:24.20 | noesc|barbar | abrotman - have not tried |
| 15:24.31 | troubled | liable: but, youve been +a ever since your tried to recreate it, correct? |
| 15:24.38 | liable | troubled: indeed |
| 15:24.49 | AcidMaX | abrotman: supposedly RHEL |
| 15:24.57 | Dark-Fx | Bogus8: Most people would be satisfied with the cheaper ones, yes |
| 15:24.59 | abrotman | AcidMaX: who provides the driver ? |
| 15:25.01 | noesc|barbar | same error |
| 15:25.14 | AcidMaX | abrotman: not quite sure to be honest |
| 15:25.18 | Bogus8 | Dark-Fx: cool... thanks for your time ;) |
| 15:25.22 | troubled | liable: so +a may in fact be a prevention. i say -a and try sysrq panic it with a few commands in history buffer before sync to disk or some combination of that |
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| 15:25.28 | rebo123 | hi friends |
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| 15:25.40 | noesc|barbar | abrotman - are you from sweden? |
| 15:25.47 | abrotman | noesc|barbar: i am not |
| 15:25.56 | abrotman | i think beardy is .. but he's not here right now |
| 15:26.07 | rebo123 | Where are xmodmap keymaps stored in debian? |
| 15:26.13 | noesc|barbar | hmm. I would like to just copy someones repository that lives in sweden so that I get a site with good bandwith. |
| 15:26.26 | rebo123 | I can't seem to find any in /usr/share/xmodmap/ (or /usr/share/xmodmap/ at all, for that matter) |
| 15:26.28 | liable | troubled: reset, and heading to the shower before bed, will try a quick one again in a bit. |
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| 15:27.14 | abrotman | AcidMaX: i mean .. if it's in the kernel .. you could get debian to support it |
| 15:27.56 | troubled | liable: well, hope you can track it down. least if its a problem specific to sid you can try catch it early before I get affected by it when lenny goes stable ;) |
| 15:28.35 | troubled | liable: and hopefully detectable without having to resort to using remote debugging or gdb techniques that would require serious time investment |
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| 15:29.07 | Danielss89 | will apache use all free resources if needed? |
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| 15:29.41 | AcidMaX | abrotman: yeah i am not sure if its the storage array itself, the hp support issue, the p800 controller or what |
| 15:29.48 | AcidMaX | i am trying to find out why he thinks debian wont work |
| 15:30.05 | AcidMaX | * 1x MSA70 storage array |
| 15:30.05 | AcidMaX | * 1x Smart Array P800 Controller, set up for RAID6 (aka ADG) |
| 15:30.05 | AcidMaX | * 6x 2.5"/36GB/15k RPM SAS disks. (4 for the RAID + 2 hot spares). |
| 15:30.10 | AcidMaX | that was the setup we were looking at |
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| 15:30.53 | bullgard4 | What is a 'capture device'? I have got an 'ALC883 Analog ALSA capture device'. |
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| 15:32.10 | Gul | hi, how can i find out if my network adapter is using autosense? and where can i find out more about autosense (network connection keeps randomly dropping after a few minutes) |
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| 15:32.34 | stoned | hey guys |
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| 15:33.02 | stoned | I need to setup a streaming server so I can stream out window media and other formats, is this possible in linux or do I have to use microsoft servers? |
| 15:33.09 | Dark-Fx | Gul: mii-tool or ethtool perhaps? |
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| 15:33.37 | BleSS | where is smtpd.conf (for postfix)? |
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| 15:34.21 | Gul | Dark-Fx, never heard of these, will look into them |
| 15:34.54 | troubled | stoned: heya |
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| 15:37.09 | stoned | hi |
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| 15:37.27 | troubled | MangosDebian btw |
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| 15:38.14 | keith4 | good idea or bad idea to try to keep a server at etch, but graft on debian-multimedia packages from testing? |
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| 15:38.30 | troubled | i gather your streaming to windows machines? or you just streaming sound in general? |
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| 15:39.09 | paul555 | anyone know how can i update a debian stable to testing? |
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| 15:39.16 | troubled | keith4: perhaps pinning work? what are the dep's like for the package in question? |
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| 15:39.25 | liable | troubled: fairly confident its the wireless kernel |
| 15:39.28 | dfx | hi everybody |
| 15:39.34 | dfx | i have this problem with grub |
| 15:39.38 | keith4 | paul555: just change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:39.41 | troubled | liable: you get it to zero the file again? |
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| 15:39.55 | rober1 | hello... |
| 15:39.56 | liable | troubled: nope, just got back ;) |
| 15:39.57 | paul555 | keith4, thanks |
| 15:40.10 | keith4 | troubled: marillat's mythtv packages.... so, lots of multimedia libs dep |
| 15:40.16 | keith4 | dfx: ask in #grub? |
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| 15:40.30 | rober1 | i just got a new monitor... does anyone know what i run to rerun hardware detection for xorg? |
| 15:40.33 | troubled | liable: oh well. sleep on it and see if you can gain insight overnight and come back at it in the morning with a fresh head |
| 15:40.42 | liable | troubled: yup |
| 15:40.45 | petemc | !drxx rober1 |
| 15:40.46 | dpkg | rober1: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 15:41.38 | dfx | VFS: Cannot open device "mapper/system-root" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 15:41.42 | dfx | kernel panic |
| 15:41.55 | keith4 | you're using LVM? |
| 15:42.00 | dfx | yes |
| 15:42.06 | keith4 | oy |
| 15:42.30 | dfx | and the kernel im booting supports it |
| 15:42.40 | dfx | the boot fs is not lvm |
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| 15:42.46 | keith4 | oh |
| 15:42.50 | troubled | keith4: well, if you know enough to package (or track a backport down?) mythtv and it can even compile against etch libs to begin with, then I would say stick with stable and backport it yourself. but i get the feeling that it wont be so easy :) try backports.org yet? |
| 15:42.51 | keith4 | well then that should be fine |
| 15:43.07 | rober1 | dpkg: isn't there a way to have it autodetect everything though? |
| 15:43.18 | dfx | but it isn't |
| 15:43.20 | rober1 | reconfigureing it, i have to know alot about the hardware |
| 15:43.26 | holycow | how do you scroll through top processes if the list is too big for your buffer? |
| 15:43.46 | dfx | maybe after an upgrade the system just figured out how to "f" itself |
| 15:43.47 | keith4 | troubled: how about putting in sources for stable and testing.. and then making a default apt policy to choose stable unless testing is required? |
| 15:44.05 | dfx | bu changing menu.lst |
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| 15:44.10 | dfx | by* |
| 15:44.19 | keith4 | dfx: sounds like grub is trying to boot your LVM, though |
| 15:44.19 | troubled | holycow: use ps instead? ;) good question though. not sure if its even possible |
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| 15:44.44 | keith4 | holycow: you don't. you sort on a different field ;-) |
| 15:44.48 | liable | holycow: htop |
| 15:44.48 | dfx | it is trying but i can't figure out what's the problem |
| 15:45.02 | dfx | i think it's in the root portion of the grub command |
| 15:45.05 | holycow | danke on both counts |
| 15:45.06 | troubled | keith4: thats what pinning is. but unless its something simple, you will find half your system or more will need to be upgraded to meet the dep's anyways |
| 15:45.14 | keith4 | ew |
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| 15:45.43 | keith4 | well, it's worth a shot |
| 15:45.47 | troubled | keith4: thats why I suggested trying backports in case it can be compiled against etch libs and used. if it can, you can probably find it there I would think |
| 15:45.56 | keith4 | i doubt it can |
| 15:46.11 | rebo123 | How come I keep seeing this message, whenever I use aptitude? "The following packages have been kept back: linux-image-2.6-486 linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 15:46.15 | rebo123 | How do I fix this? |
| 15:46.21 | troubled | keith4: that or just grab the source yourself and see what the real requirements are first and check into what you meet and what you don't |
| 15:46.23 | holycow | ooooh |
| 15:46.25 | holycow | htop is lovely |
| 15:46.34 | liable | rebo123: dist-upgrade |
| 15:46.55 | rebo123 | liable? etch is already outdated? |
| 15:46.55 | liable | holycow: much better than top :) |
| 15:47.02 | liable | rebo123: no |
| 15:47.12 | dfx | the grub booting command is "kernel vmlinuz-.... root=/dev/mapper/system-root ro" |
| 15:47.24 | rebo123 | I'm pretty sure I did do dist-upgrade, a few months ago |
| 15:47.25 | dfx | there's also an initrd image |
| 15:47.32 | keith4 | dfx: you lied to me! |
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| 15:47.43 | liable | rebo123: you have security enabled? |
| 15:47.44 | dfx | keith4: about what? |
| 15:47.47 | keith4 | <dfx> the boot fs is not lvm |
| 15:48.06 | rebo123 | liable: what's that? |
| 15:48.08 | dfx | the root is. boot isn't. |
| 15:48.19 | liable | rebo123: security.debian.org |
| 15:48.22 | keith4 | troubled: look at dependencies for mythtv-backend |
| 15:48.26 | liable | rebo123: in your sources |
| 15:48.26 | keith4 | troubled: http://pastebin.ca/672438 |
| 15:48.53 | dfx | keith4: should i change something? |
| 15:50.07 | troubled | keith4: i would check the actual source readme for requirements though if you can. with deb's theres always a chance that the packager had the dep's auto generated to match the current system (in this case, sid/lenny) |
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| 15:51.10 | keith4 | troubled: ok, thanks for the help. it's a moot point at the moment, since marillat hasn't updated his packages... but probably tomorrow |
| 15:51.38 | keith4 | dfx: ask the Wyzard |
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| 15:51.48 | rebo123 | liable: let me look |
| 15:52.41 | rebo123 | yeah, I have deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 15:52.51 | troubled | liable: hmmm, htop is nice. although im kinda peeved you even mentioned it. I updated my sources to get it just to find out i gotta rebuild my kernel and patch again thanks to you ;p |
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| 15:53.19 | liable | troubled: suck eggs :) |
| 15:53.25 | troubled | ;) |
| 15:53.35 | linuxtk10 | whats best to make a disk label for a partition table ? |
| 15:53.38 | troubled | i was content with my ignorance heh |
| 15:53.41 | linuxtk10 | it keeps wanting ot default to ms dos |
| 15:53.52 | debianix | any of you has tried mythtv with a usb pvr ? |
| 15:54.10 | abrotman | AcidMaX: i thought HP was supporting debian now |
| 15:54.25 | TBZ | y0 |
| 15:54.27 | liable | apparently |
| 15:54.29 | Ranpha1 | how can i check if my sound card if correlty installed? The software says it's installed but no sound. Work under windows on a dual boot system |
| 15:54.34 | linuxtk10 | also where should a disk start ? |
| 15:54.34 | AcidMaX | abrotman: i dont think so |
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| 15:55.20 | cahoot | Ranpha1, run aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav in a term noise or error? |
| 15:55.26 | graytron | "/log open -autoopen -freenode -targets #debian ~/logs/#debian-%Y%m%d" used to work in the previous version of irssi I used on Debian Sarge, but now it doesn't. how do i command irssi to log a specific channel on a certain network only? |
| 15:55.31 | rebo123 | liable: what do you think? |
| 15:55.44 | liable | rebo123: about what? |
| 15:56.04 | liable | rebo123: oh, that looks fine |
| 15:56.12 | Ranpha1 | cahoot give device is busy |
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| 15:56.33 | liable | rebo123: there was an update of the kernel meta package just the last couple of days |
| 15:56.35 | cahoot | Ranpha1, fuser -v /dev/snd/* /dev/dsp* |
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| 15:57.21 | Noborusan | would anyone help me editting a debian logo for me ?i have it handdy |
| 15:57.24 | rebo123 | liable: so what do I do about it? |
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| 15:57.37 | Noborusan | but it has an annoying crinoline which i want it to removed :( |
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| 15:57.47 | Ranpha1 | cahoot what output do you need? |
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| 15:57.59 | troubled | Noborusan: what is a crinoline? |
| 15:58.19 | liable | rebo123: sounds like you may have it held, install that package (even though its installed, implicitly install it again) |
| 15:58.26 | FordCortina | why is that when i create any file in my home directory, its always readable to "other" |
| 15:58.28 | FordCortina | ? |
| 15:58.37 | Noborusan | troubled, crinolette |
| 15:58.38 | cahoot | Ranpha1, it was meant for you to consider what is occupying the sound device |
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| 15:58.57 | troubled | Noborusan: no idea what that is either ;/ |
| 15:59.27 | liable | night |
| 15:59.34 | Ranpha1 | cahoot i get this /dev/dsp: dennis 3310 F.... esd |
| 15:59.40 | Noborusan | troubled, is english your native language ? |
| 15:59.57 | cahoot | Ranpha1, see - esd - either point your apps to use esd or kill esd |
| 16:00.11 | troubled | Noborusan: yes |
| 16:00.14 | rebo123 | liable: so will a dist-upgrade do it? |
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| 16:00.34 | Noborusan | troubled, hmmm i can show you it,but i wonder if you would help me do it ? |
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| 16:01.03 | Ranpha1 | cahoot okay aplay work now but no sound ... |
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| 16:01.17 | rebo123 | liable: and will I need to reboot? (again!) |
| 16:01.24 | troubled | Noborusan: well, depends i suppose. Im looking at wikipedia for the term though, but it seems to be showing me a "dress" of sorts. Not sure how that related to a debian logo |
| 16:01.44 | Noborusan | troubled, please wait |
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| 16:02.24 | troubled | i assume a crinoline in this context refers to some sort of layering or framework for your logo though |
| 16:02.36 | cahoot | Ranpha1, you have only one soundcard? |
| 16:02.58 | Ranpha1 | cahoot it's onboard so yeah. |
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| 16:03.27 | cahoot | Ranpha1, try invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 16:03.28 | Ranpha1 | cahoot chcked all the kabels and under windows it works. It's sis chipset dunno what sound chip |
| 16:03.36 | linuxtk10 | how can i make it so dpkg doesnt bring in stuff i dont need |
| 16:03.44 | linuxtk10 | when install php5 it wants to bring in apache common |
| 16:03.49 | simonrvn | dpkg doesn't do that |
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| 16:05.42 | linuxtk10 | simmerz: whe installing php5 apche-common is brought in |
| 16:05.42 | snowbird | how do i start ssh |
| 16:05.43 | Ranpha1 | cahoot nothing ...still aplay plays but no sound. |
| 16:06.00 | linuxtk10 | snowbird: if you instal lit it should add itself to the init scripts |
| 16:06.05 | Ranpha1 | cahoot strange thing is this sin't a new computer and on all computer i get sound standard |
| 16:06.08 | snowbird | its not running |
| 16:06.14 | snowbird | i ned to start it |
| 16:06.16 | linuxtk10 | id you install it ? |
| 16:06.27 | snowbird | yeah i ahd it running yesterday |
| 16:06.35 | linuxtk10 | then theres an error |
| 16:06.41 | linuxtk10 | chek logs but |
| 16:06.49 | snowbird | give me start ssh comand |
| 16:07.01 | simonrvn | holk smokes, pam at 0.99.x o_O |
| 16:07.07 | simonrvn | holy* |
| 16:07.07 | linuxtk10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.07 | rebo123 | is it normal to have linux-image-2.6-486 linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:07.10 | rebo123 | (both) |
| 16:07.13 | linuxtk10 | snowbird: ^^ |
| 16:07.30 | lindenl1 | anyone know off the top of their head how to list all tables in postgres database? |
| 16:07.31 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: it is if you instaled it |
| 16:07.34 | rebo123 | I mean, is it normal to have linux-image-2.6-486 AND linux-image-2.6-686 installed |
| 16:07.39 | simonrvn | rebo123: only if you or the installer installs it ... |
| 16:07.42 | linuxtk10 | lindenl1: nope just mysql |
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| 16:07.54 | rebo123 | oh |
| 16:08.00 | cahoot | Ranpha1, what's the content of /proc/asound/cards? |
| 16:08.00 | lindenl1 | linuxtk10: yes I am more familiar with mysql too |
| 16:08.02 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: it doesnt matter really just make sure the right one is set in the bootloader |
| 16:08.08 | rebo123 | ah, I see |
| 16:08.11 | Ranpha1 | cahoot rebooting give that a try |
| 16:08.12 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: how do I double-check? |
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| 16:08.16 | linuxtk10 | lindenl1: mysql is faster and run run lighter |
| 16:08.24 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: gub or lilo ? |
| 16:08.27 | Ranpha1 | cahoot *giving that a try |
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| 16:08.32 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: how do I find out? ^^ |
| 16:08.36 | linuxtk10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.40 | linuxtk10 | hmmm |
| 16:08.46 | lindenl1 | linuxtk10: not my choice to make in this case i am afraid |
| 16:08.47 | rebo123 | I just don't remember |
| 16:08.51 | linuxtk10 | really i have no vlue on that becasue you might have both installed |
| 16:08.52 | simonrvn | rebo123: most people would install anything *but* the 486 one; that's built for those machines |
| 16:08.53 | rebo123 | I installed this system when sarge just came out |
| 16:09.01 | linuxtk10 | lindenl1: yea |
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| 16:09.05 | rebo123 | and I just pushed next a lot |
| 16:09.10 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: type lilo -v |
| 16:09.17 | tarzeau | does anyone use current etch netinstallers for SPARC(sparc64)? they don't detect the harddisks? (i tried on two ultra5) |
| 16:09.17 | Noborusan | troubled, dcc doesnt work ? |
| 16:09.19 | linuxtk10 | if it doesnt work you prolly got grub |
| 16:09.31 | linuxtk10 | gotta be root as well |
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| 16:09.40 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: command not found :D |
| 16:09.52 | linuxtk10 | check /boot for a grub directory |
| 16:10.00 | Ranpha1 | cahoot i get acces denied <--- as root that isn't good right? |
| 16:10.17 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: yup, there it is |
| 16:10.24 | linuxtk10 | so your using grub |
| 16:10.24 | cahoot | Ranpha1, cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:10.27 | troubled | Noborusan: no, is it a pic? try picpaste.com or something perhaps? |
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| 16:10.38 | linuxtk10 | in grub menu.lst has the load settings |
| 16:10.38 | lindenl1 | linuxtk10: ah ha \dt |
| 16:10.49 | lindenl1 | sp obvious ;P |
| 16:11.10 | linuxtk10 | but i dont know grub i use lilo, in my opinion lilo is better becasue its better at doing fallback stuff if a kernel deosnt boot |
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| 16:11.23 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: did you server / w/e boot ? |
| 16:11.28 | linuxtk10 | run uname -a |
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| 16:11.52 | linuxtk10 | it will tell you what kernel you are using |
| 16:12.06 | Ranpha1 | cahoot SiS SI7012 with STAC9758,59 at 0x1400, irq 233 |
| 16:12.08 | rebo123 | ah, it's the 686 one |
| 16:12.21 | linuxtk10 | yea |
| 16:12.23 | rebo123 | should I just get rid of the 486 kernel? I'm on Pentium II |
| 16:12.30 | linuxtk10 | it rally doesnt matter how many kernels you have |
| 16:12.39 | linuxtk10 | is this debain ? |
| 16:12.41 | linuxtk10 | debian |
| 16:12.42 | rebo123 | yeah |
| 16:12.57 | linuxtk10 | i mean it honestly doesnt matter if its not using it its not using it |
| 16:13.05 | rebo123 | ok :) |
| 16:13.11 | rebo123 | cool |
| 16:13.19 | linuxtk10 | when i make servers im a clean freak so yea i would but otherwise i wouldnt really care |
| 16:13.24 | Noborusan | troubled, http://picpaste.com/debian_wappen_logo_ohnetext.jpg |
| 16:13.25 | linuxtk10 | unless its really bothring you lol |
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| 16:13.55 | rebo123 | it just keeps popping up in apt |
| 16:14.35 | troubled | Noborusan: ok, now what am I looking for here? |
| 16:14.43 | Noborusan | troubled, that annoying thing is at both of the left and the right bottom corner |
| 16:14.44 | rebo123 | it looks like the kernel takes some space too |
| 16:14.46 | rebo123 | like 50Mb |
| 16:14.57 | Noborusan | troubled, so i would have them removed |
| 16:15.01 | troubled | Noborusan: you mean the black "triangles"? |
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| 16:15.37 | Noborusan | troubled, yes, exactly,that triangle |
| 16:15.40 | linuxtk10 | lindenl1: btw whe nyou are connected via postesql monitor via command limne run "\dt" |
| 16:15.45 | linuxtk10 | it will shwo all the tables |
| 16:15.50 | linuxtk10 | for that db |
| 16:15.59 | Noborusan | troubled, cuz they dont feet the form in my flash. |
| 16:16.00 | lindenl1 | linuxtk10: I just told you that |
| 16:16.09 | linuxtk10 | lindenl1: ddint see it ;) |
| 16:16.13 | linuxtk10 | i mean |
| 16:16.14 | linuxtk10 | sorry |
| 16:16.14 | troubled | Noborusan: can you not set the color for that area to the transparency color to get rid of it? |
| 16:16.18 | linuxtk10 | dt is the crap sorry |
| 16:16.21 | lindenl1 | linuxtk10: and \d [TABLE] describes the entries ;) |
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| 16:16.32 | linuxtk10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.34 | d3c | Hi guys. I have a major problem. When trying to transfer things over SCP, I get an "cannot execute scp" error. I then tried running the "scp" command over ssh to verify that it was available. turns out that it isnt. now, root can run "scp" without any problems. how do I make the "scp" command available for my regular user? |
| 16:16.41 | linuxtk10 | lindenl1: will show everything |
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| 16:16.49 | lindenl1 | linuxtk10: cool thx |
| 16:16.54 | Noborusan | troubled, hmm which will be done easily ? |
| 16:17.07 | rebo123 | Thanks linuxtk10 |
| 16:17.10 | linuxtk10 | lindenl1: nothing better then a old mysql show tables command though :P |
| 16:17.11 | Noborusan | troubled, i think both will be okay,cuz that thing will not appear |
| 16:17.17 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: just remove it |
| 16:17.27 | lindenl1 | linuxtk10: here here I say "I agrre sir i agree" |
| 16:17.27 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: or re install debian :P |
| 16:17.35 | rebo123 | done :) re-install debian? never. |
| 16:17.46 | linuxtk10 | takes like 10 mins |
| 16:17.56 | linuxtk10 | a nice debootstrap and apt-get for 3 mins the apps you want |
| 16:17.59 | rebo123 | I have another question.. What was that program that lets you move clients from one X server to another? |
| 16:18.03 | linuxtk10 | == the best kind of system |
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| 16:18.13 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: is this a desktop or server ? |
| 16:18.18 | troubled | Noborusan: well, i suppose it depends on your software. but I know with jpg as with other formats, you can define a transparency colour on export. But to preserve your think black outline, you would need to mask out the corners properly while still leaving the line intact |
| 16:18.28 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: server. |
| 16:18.34 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: you can of course do that with mutltiple ways |
| 16:18.36 | troubled | Noborusan: guess how easy it would be depends on how you layerd your pic |
| 16:18.41 | linuxtk10 | server then re install :P |
| 16:18.48 | linuxtk10 | unless its live |
| 16:18.53 | Noborusan | troubled, ok |
| 16:18.59 | rebo123 | huh? |
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| 16:19.02 | linuxtk10 | i hate having extra crap on a server that i dont know how it got there |
| 16:19.03 | Christoph_vW | wth? is the kernel randomizing the hdd dev names? |
| 16:19.08 | d3c | Any ideas why? I really need to transfer files over SCP... |
| 16:19.25 | Christoph_vW | sometimes they are listed as hda,hdb and on next reboot they are hde,hdf |
| 16:19.26 | rebo123 | heh |
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| 16:20.06 | troubled | Noborusan: i think flash has ability to "mask" out an area using some small layer/selection tricks iirc |
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| 16:20.25 | rebo123 | so, which program moves x clients between x servers? |
| 16:20.34 | rebo123 | I'm having a lot of trouble googling it |
| 16:20.38 | linuxtk10 | well |
| 16:20.55 | linuxtk10 | i am not sure of any program but you could use port forwarding in a way |
| 16:20.59 | hismeat | d3c: what's it say if you run scp as normal user |
| 16:21.03 | linuxtk10 | but again i dont use much of X |
| 16:21.11 | rebo123 | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 16:21.15 | rebo123 | suppose I have a client on :1 |
| 16:21.22 | rebo123 | and I want to move it to the display on :2 |
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| 16:21.32 | linuxtk10 | ah ok i thought you measnt something different |
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| 16:21.36 | linuxtk10 | same X server |
| 16:21.41 | linuxtk10 | different session screen |
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| 16:21.47 | d3c | hismeat, it says: "Couldn't open /dev/null: Permission denied" |
| 16:21.59 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: well, they're actually different x servers |
| 16:22.01 | Ranpha1 | cahoot you still there? |
| 16:22.06 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: here's what I'm trying to do. |
| 16:22.14 | xaque | can someone give me a hint as to why the crontabs in /etc/cron.d are not running? |
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| 16:22.30 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: I've been running vncserver for a long time. Just now, I found out that there's a package called vnc4server, which is just the newer version |
| 16:22.45 | linuxtk10 | ah |
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| 16:23.00 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: I'd like to move my running x11 clients from the display currently attached to vncserver to a new display that I just started with the newly installed vnc4server |
| 16:23.06 | linuxtk10 | well as i said i dont have to mcuh experince all i have done is connected to servers with vnc myself |
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| 16:23.20 | troubled | d3c: hmm, ive had that as well. ls -l /dev/null, im better o= correct? |
| 16:23.24 | linuxtk10 | and to be honest i would think they would have ot re connect |
| 16:23.29 | troubled | s/better/betting/ |
| 16:23.41 | d3c | troubled, let me see... |
| 16:23.45 | linuxtk10 | the way there vnc protocol is made its not really meant for switching servers |
| 16:24.03 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: cant they re connect ? |
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| 16:24.18 | linuxtk10 | and just curious what do you offer clients ? |
| 16:24.25 | hismeat | d3c: weird ... what distribution is it? |
| 16:24.34 | Noborusan | troubled, :) |
| 16:24.42 | troubled | Noborusan: ? |
| 16:24.43 | d3c | troubled, what do you mean by "o= correct"? |
| 16:24.56 | troubled | d3c: rw-rw---- |
| 16:25.08 | d3c | hismeat, etch |
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| 16:25.18 | larsl | I'm trying to get 3D to work on an Intel X3000 graphics card on a Santa Rosa laptop, but no matter what combination of drivers and modules I try it doesn't work. If I use the 'intel' driver and load the modules 'dri' and 'glx' I still get the error message "(EE) intel(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI." and no direct rendering. |
| 16:25.21 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: I think we have a miscommunication, lol. I don't mean business clients. By x clients, I mean x11 applications :) |
| 16:25.25 | larsl | ANy idea what to do? |
| 16:25.27 | d3c | troubled, crw-r--r-- |
| 16:25.45 | troubled | d3c: perhaps that was it too, but ya, ive had that in etch a few times myself too |
| 16:26.00 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: lol |
| 16:26.01 | troubled | hismeat: its an etch issue for sure, not sure of cause yet though |
| 16:26.15 | d3c | troubled, we upgraded from sarge. could that be the problem? |
| 16:26.30 | troubled | d3c: just chmod it a+w again |
| 16:26.31 | linuxtk10 | i thought you wre offering clients like actual clients some kind of hosting server or vps server whrre you pre install x servers for them |
| 16:26.41 | rebo123 | oh, heh |
| 16:26.45 | d3c | troubled, so with root: chmod a+w /dev/null |
| 16:26.46 | troubled | d3c: no, its 100% etch. this is a pure etch machine with the same problem |
| 16:26.46 | rebo123 | it's way simpler than that |
| 16:26.48 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: i know someone who does that |
| 16:27.13 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: i mean whos connected to the machine ? your running a vnc server |
| 16:27.14 | noesc|barbar | I have a problem that I can't solve on my own. When I try to apt-get update I get a error like this: "W GPG error: http://ftp.port80.se etch Release: Unkown error executing gpgv" |
| 16:27.14 | troubled | d3c: i just dont know whats causing it yet though. doesnt happen often |
| 16:27.24 | rebo123 | rebo123: I'm connected to it! |
| 16:27.29 | noesc|barbar | And the same for security.debian.org etch/updates |
| 16:27.31 | rebo123 | I mean linuxtk10 |
| 16:27.37 | rebo123 | gah talking to myself |
| 16:27.39 | troubled | Noborusan: you figure it out I assume? |
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| 16:27.46 | linuxtk10 | noesc|barbar: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 16:28.06 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: why cant you just re connect why do you have to move ? |
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| 16:28.07 | linuxtk10 | lol |
| 16:28.14 | larsl | Does no one have an Intel X3000? |
| 16:28.17 | d3c | troubled, can I pm you? |
| 16:28.21 | noesc|barbar | linuxtk10 that would take a while :P |
| 16:28.30 | noesc|barbar | It's on my server and I'm chatting on my laptop |
| 16:28.37 | Ronin | noesc|barbar: ssh in? |
| 16:28.38 | troubled | d3c: is it really necassary? |
| 16:28.44 | linuxtk10 | noesc|barbar: to pastebin a sources.list :P ? |
| 16:28.59 | d3c | troubled, it's pretty confusing... |
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| 16:29.05 | linuxtk10 | something is wrong noesc|barbar without seeing the problems no one can help you |
| 16:29.18 | troubled | d3c: did you make it +rw for all yet? |
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| 16:29.50 | d3c | troubled, should I just run "chmod a+w /dev/null" ? |
| 16:30.30 | troubled | d3c: sure |
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| 16:30.46 | d3c | troubled, the server's hosting a pretty large website so I don't wanna screw anything up. is it safe to run chmod a+w /dev/null, you think? |
| 16:31.10 | linuxtk10 | noesc|barbar: anyways i gotta run but make sure your sources.list is right and yea no cue |
| 16:31.10 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: well, I don't want to close down my applications |
| 16:31.13 | snowbird | i had that pesky start ssh code darn pc crashed can i get it again il save it on usb key this tim |
| 16:31.18 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: |
| 16:31.19 | linuxtk10 | ah |
| 16:31.20 | linuxtk10 | well |
| 16:31.21 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: anyway, I found it. The xmove package does it |
| 16:31.23 | troubled | d3c: well, arguably, /dev/null being -w for g and o is already screwed up |
| 16:31.29 | noesc|barbar | linuxtk10 |
| 16:31.30 | noesc|barbar | http://pastebin.com/d6e44f92 |
| 16:31.35 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: i have actually used it |
| 16:31.40 | linuxtk10 | forgot abou that |
| 16:31.49 | linuxtk10 | but i used it for a slightly different reason |
| 16:32.18 | rebo123 | oh. What kind of use did you have for it? |
| 16:32.23 | linuxtk10 | noesc|barbar: what coumtry you live in ? |
| 16:32.24 | Ronin | ouch noesc|barbar mixing releases |
| 16:32.25 | hismeat | my /dev/null has 777 permissions |
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| 16:32.48 | noesc|barbar | linuxtk10 - sweden |
| 16:32.52 | ttuttle | Your installer ate one of my partitions. I had sda6 as ext3 and I removed sda5, then created sda5 again as lvm. It renumbered them somehow, and chose to pvcreate my ext3 partition rather than the right one. I think it was because it couldn't reread the partition table. I tried to force it using hdparm, but the business card iso doesn't have hdparm. |
| 16:32.54 | d3c | troubled, alright. I'll try it in 10 mins. afk |
| 16:33.02 | noesc|barbar | Ronin I did? |
| 16:33.04 | graytron | how to list all standard packages in etch? |
| 16:33.07 | noesc|barbar | I want to use unstable.. |
| 16:33.13 | linuxtk10 | rebo123: actully it was to move soemone from an xsession to a different machine |
| 16:33.15 | linuxtk10 | not the same one |
| 16:33.21 | noesc|barbar | But I changed it to etch again because of the problem |
| 16:33.24 | linuxtk10 | noesc|barbar: use an offical repo |
| 16:33.27 | noesc|barbar | And hoped that would fix it. |
| 16:33.29 | Ronin | i see etch sources and debian-multimedia for sid and experimental |
| 16:33.34 | linuxtk10 | lol |
| 16:33.43 | linuxtk10 | that just seems like a bad idea |
| 16:33.51 | ttuttle | I'm e2fscking now... |
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| 16:34.00 | rebo123 | linuxtk10: :) |
| 16:34.01 | Ronin | noesc|barbar: and you cant go back either, well at least not easily |
| 16:34.03 | noesc|barbar | Ronin - have time to help me correct it? |
| 16:34.16 | linuxtk10 | re install |
| 16:34.34 | linuxtk10 | thats my answr to everything problem -> re install |
| 16:34.39 | noesc|barbar | lol :P |
| 16:35.11 | Ronin | linuxtk10: heh in this case if they were running sid, then changed sources to etch you may well be correct |
| 16:35.38 | linuxtk10 | i run lenny myself |
| 16:35.45 | noesc|barbar | Ronin - I just installed the server with the net-install and installed etch. |
| 16:35.45 | linuxtk10 | is pretty stable :P |
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| 16:35.55 | ttuttle | does the installer zero lvm partitions? |
| 16:36.13 | snowbird | hey ronin |
| 16:36.20 | Danielss89 | root@danielss89:~# tar xvjf eaccelerator-0.9.5.tar.bz2 |
| 16:36.20 | Danielss89 | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 16:36.20 | Danielss89 | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 16:36.21 | Danielss89 | tar: Child returned status 2 |
| 16:36.21 | Danielss89 | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 16:36.22 | Ronin | noesc|barbar: i thought you said you wanted to use unstable but changed sources.list back to etch |
| 16:36.27 | Danielss89 | dman.. sorry |
| 16:36.29 | Danielss89 | damn.. |
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| 16:36.50 | linuxtk10 | Danielss89: do you have the bzip2 package installed ? |
| 16:36.51 | noesc|barbar | Ronin - I installed etch and want to upgrade to unstable or testing |
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| 16:36.57 | Crypticfortune | is there any simple package i can still that will outfit me with enough fonts to go web browsing (say through wikipedia) without seeing lots of unicode boxes? (ie: a nice unicode font collection?) |
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| 16:37.10 | Crypticfortune | s/i can still/i can install/ |
| 16:37.20 | linuxtk10 | noesc|barbar: testing is a no no lol |
| 16:37.29 | Danielss89 | hehe no linuxtk10 |
| 16:37.33 | Ronin | noesc|barbar: especially on a production server |
| 16:37.48 | linuxtk10 | Danielss89: apt-get install bzip2 |
| 16:38.02 | xaque | What do I have to do to get my crontabs in /etc/cron.d to run? |
| 16:38.11 | linuxtk10 | i dorun lenny on a somewhat production server but atleast its not as bad as testing |
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| 16:39.01 | Eulex | linuxtk10, eh. lenny == testing. |
| 16:39.10 | linuxtk10 | i ge the terms mixed up |
| 16:39.12 | noesc|barbar | Ronin - Lol no. :P It's just my own server at home. |
| 16:39.14 | linuxtk10 | Eulex: sid |
| 16:39.25 | noesc|barbar | Ronin - Used for ftp and homepages. And to chat from work :P |
| 16:40.00 | linuxtk10 | Eulex: but i got lenny sounds better then etch |
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| 16:41.05 | Eulex | linuxtk10, then I guess you wouldn't want to run potatoe or ham :P |
| 16:41.23 | linuxtk10 | lol |
| 16:41.40 | moshii | or jamon |
| 16:41.47 | linuxtk10 | whats aftr lenny ? |
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| 16:42.04 | moshii | linuxtk10: it's a race between tony or dave |
| 16:42.39 | Eulex | hmm, isn't that decided by the release team, in a 'closed' manner? |
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| 16:43.12 | Eulex | but I guess there can be discussion on debian-devel about it |
| 16:43.30 | troubled | d3c: any chance you can dpkg --get-selections and paste that to pastebin? I would like to compare installed packages against you |
| 16:44.07 | xingu | hamm. and potato has one fewer "e" |
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| 16:44.39 | Eulex | xingu, as you wish :) |
| 16:44.40 | aeshyama1 | hi all...i wish to install emacs 22....i have added debian.org,us.debian.org/debian/ and non-us.debian.rg/debian-non-us in the repository and two dvds i downloaded....so i cant see emacs 22 in the synaptic..whats the repository i should add ? |
| 16:45.02 | Eulex | !non-us |
| 16:45.03 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/05/msg01355.html |
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| 16:45.45 | Eulex | aeshyama1, testing or unstable. but you shouldn't try that on etch or sarge. |
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| 16:46.59 | aeshyama1 | ok....the problem is that i read from a blog that setting up gnus and reading gmail in emacs 22.1 or higher is easier:) |
| 16:47.21 | ttuttle | internet2 ftw! |
| 16:47.46 | moshii | all emacs needs is a kernel |
| 16:47.52 | aeshyama1 | :) |
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| 16:48.16 | hark | and a text editor :) |
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| 16:49.36 | alaK | Hey |
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| 16:50.01 | alaK | Why can't i upgrade 3.1 to 4.0 on a VPS ? |
| 16:50.22 | moshii | alaK: because you don't have hands?? |
| 16:50.34 | Eulex | alaK, why do you think that you can't? |
| 16:50.40 | alaK | very funny. I followed http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/upgrading-debian-sarga-3-to-etch-4.html |
| 16:50.44 | moshii | alaK: ofcourse you can, you just might not be able to install a newer kernel |
| 16:51.22 | alaK | After reboot, cat /etc/debian_version outputs 3.1 |
| 16:51.49 | Eulex | alaK, then you didn't perform a complete dist-upgrade to etch. |
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| 16:52.17 | hark | alaK: read the release notes instead |
| 16:52.22 | Eulex | alaK, and secondly, don't rely on some random blog for upgrading. there are release notes containing instructions for upgrading (really!) |
| 16:52.32 | Orionisti | Am I correct in assuming that I can't get gtk+ in any debian repository? |
| 16:52.36 | Christoph_vW | now I have a problem with my Marvell Yukon cards - the sky2 drivers is loaded but ifconfig eth0 returns no device |
| 16:52.57 | Eulex | Orionisti, incorrect |
| 16:53.08 | alex^^ | im trying to setup fetchmail: im wanting to connect to a pop3 server and download all its messages to a local accout: alex |
| 16:53.09 | hark | Christoph_vW: does ifconfig -a show it? |
| 16:53.20 | Orionisti | What would be this debian repository, then? |
| 16:53.24 | alex^^ | can anyone give me some clues? man page to too long to digest |
| 16:53.25 | mafu | I am installing a new Etch system. The software selection screen gives me the choice of installing a "standard system" among other things. Where can I find out what exactly this installs? Haven't had any luck on Google yet. Still searching. :) Any help? |
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| 16:53.49 | Eulex | Orionisti, the main debian one. |
| 16:54.11 | Orionisti | hm |
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| 16:54.17 | Christoph_vW | ah, yes |
| 16:54.21 | Christoph_vW | as eth3 and eth4 |
| 16:54.32 | Christoph_vW | I wonder why the sky2 driver displayed eth0 then |
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| 16:54.46 | Orionisti | I am trying to compile another program that requires gtk+ to be installed, and the ./configure script says that it cannot find the gtk+ |
| 16:54.56 | meng_ | is there a limitation on linux filesystem size? |
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| 16:55.13 | Eulex | Orionisti, get the -dev package of gtk. and you should also look up whether you want gtk1 or gtk2 |
| 16:55.35 | Orionisti | gtk+-2.0 apparently |
| 16:55.36 | Eulex | meng_, define 'linux filesystem'. linux can read and write many file systems. |
| 16:55.38 | Bajo_ | hi again, did you read my previous message? |
| 16:55.52 | alex^^ | im trying to setup fetchmail: im wanting to connect to a pop3 server and download all its messages to a local accout: alex - can fetchmail be used to do this? |
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| 16:56.27 | DustyDingo | can it be considered as a bug, when the old, named "ibm_acpi", kernel module had a corresponding /etc/modprobe.d/ibm_acpi.modprobe file and the new kernel modul, named "thinkpad_acpi" not? |
| 16:56.30 | alaK | ou yeah, thanks |
| 16:56.38 | alaK | this blog these days can really make your day :S |
| 16:56.43 | Bajo_ | I don't know if it arrived to the IRC server |
| 16:56.56 | meng_ | will linux be able to install on disk with filesystem over 3T in size? |
| 16:57.03 | Bajo_ | anyway, I'll send it again |
| 16:57.07 | Bajo_ | Hi everyone. "make menuconfig" doesn't work. These are the error messages: http://pastebin.com/d65f53e2b Could someone help me? |
| 16:57.13 | Orionisti | I can only see gtk2 and a lot of engines |
| 16:57.17 | moshii | meng_: xfs supports fses that big |
| 16:57.31 | meng_ | what about ext2/ext3? |
| 16:57.45 | mbroeker | Bajo, you need ncurses-dev |
| 16:57.47 | troubled | d3c: you there? |
| 16:57.49 | DustyDingo | the modprobe file enabled enabled hotkeys and an ecdum interface for the old modul |
| 16:57.58 | DustyDingo | something i should report? |
| 16:58.03 | hismeat | Bajo_: looks like you don't have ncurses installed |
| 16:58.06 | hark | Orionisti: libgtk2.0-dev |
| 16:58.09 | Orionisti | maybe I should edit my sources.list |
| 16:58.15 | rebo123 | hi guys |
| 16:58.27 | moshii | meng_: not sure, ext3 probably has a huge limit.. I wouldn't run a machine with a single 3TB fs though |
| 16:58.33 | hark | Orionisti: what are you trying to compile? |
| 16:58.42 | Orionisti | makes sense..... |
| 16:58.53 | Orionisti | I just searched for gtk, not anything starting with lib |
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| 16:59.15 | moshii | meng_: xfs has a max fs and file size of 8 exabytes :P |
| 16:59.16 | DavoDinkum | Is there a similar program to this one that will run on Mac OS X http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ ? |
| 16:59.28 | alex^^ | im trying to setup fetchmail: im wanting to connect to a pop3 server and download all its messages to a local accout: alex - can fetchmail be used to do this? |
| 16:59.29 | meng_ | i wouldn't too, but some people might. |
| 16:59.44 | xaque | Can someone tell me what the permissions on a working crontab in cron.d look like? |
| 16:59.46 | moshii | meng_: ext3 says 2TB to 32TB.. |
| 16:59.51 | rebo123 | this is a general linux question. I'm sitting here, configuring a server at the console. Once it's done, I'll need to move it to its place, which involves a reboot. The server gets its IP using DHCP. How can I find out what IP was assigned to the server, after I connect it to the network, with no console? |
| 16:59.56 | Bajo_ | hismeat, mbroeker, I have some stuff called [something]ncurses[something] installed... should I install libncursesw5-dev? |
| 17:00.00 | mbroeker | Bajo, you need apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 17:00.07 | moshii | meng_: based on blocksize I think |
| 17:00.15 | xaque | rebo123: check the dhcp server logs |
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| 17:00.31 | Bajo_ | ok, thanks! |
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| 17:00.46 | ttuttle | The only hitch was that you didn't know I needed 915resolution. Otherwise the install rocked. |
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| 17:00.59 | alex^^ | anyone here use getmail? |
| 17:01.03 | rebo123 | xaque: not a bad plan. I was looking for a more general soluton though..is there some way to make the server broadcast its hostname and ip address to the network? |
| 17:01.06 | moshii | ttuttle: kirakira! |
| 17:01.10 | ttuttle | Hmm... why don't I have glxinfo? |
| 17:01.22 | Bajo_ | now it works, hurray :) |
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| 17:01.28 | ttuttle | moshii: What's that? |
| 17:01.31 | xaque | rebo123: not that I am aware of, thats just how I do it |
| 17:01.31 | hark | because you have to install it... |
| 17:01.45 | moshii | ttuttle: sparkle sparkle |
| 17:01.47 | ttuttle | hark: But does that mean I don't have 3D support? |
| 17:01.49 | foo | Blah, having some problems with nfs. It says mount: RPC: Timed out ... this has been working fine for years, all of a sudden this. Nothing strange in the logs, syslog says it authenticates the request |
| 17:01.49 | ttuttle | moshii: Ah. |
| 17:01.50 | Crypticfortune | ttuttle: aptitude install mesa-utils |
| 17:01.58 | ttuttle | Crypticfortune: Ah, thanks! |
| 17:02.02 | hark | ttuttle: no /msg dpkg search |
| 17:02.19 | ttuttle | BTW, does anyone know an I2 mirror closer to CMU than MIT? |
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| 17:02.47 | meng_ | moshii: according to http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html |
| 17:03.04 | xaque | rebo123: in general, there are not too many standard protocols that unix uses that will broadcast by default |
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| 17:03.26 | Crypticfortune | ttuttle: CMU's link onto I2 is really tiny (irc). i really doubt anywhere would go much faster than MIT |
| 17:03.28 | abrotman | AcidMaX: their website says they do |
| 17:03.41 | abrotman | ttuttle: pair.com is in pittsburgh |
| 17:03.43 | meng_ | moshii: ext2/3 with 4 KiB blocksize fs size limit - 8192 GiB (= 8 TiB) |
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| 17:04.22 | ttuttle | abrotman: Yeah, but I have 2 GB/day for I1. |
| 17:04.33 | Crypticfortune | ttuttle: there's a bunch of packages for finding your fastest mirror though. apt-spy comes to mind. |
| 17:04.40 | abrotman | ttuttle: so you need i2 ? |
| 17:04.47 | ttuttle | abrotman: It would be better, yeah. |
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| 17:04.57 | andihit | anybody knows nbench? |
| 17:04.58 | abrotman | ttuttle: carroll.aset.psu.edu .. they have i2 |
| 17:05.08 | abrotman | i don't know for certain that machine is on it though |
| 17:05.11 | moshii | meng_: yeah, it's addressing blocks and you can only address a finite number of them, so you have to increase the blocksize. bad if you have small files |
| 17:06.11 | finrod | Ahoy. I'm looking for a way to have the tty login only ask me for my user's password, exactly like "login username", but how do I start that from inittab? If directly start "login username" from there, upon logging in bash tells me "bash- no job control in this shell". |
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| 17:07.09 | xaque | Doods cron is broken. Is there something I have to do to tell cron to lookin cron.d for scripts? |
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| 17:07.18 | abrotman | ttuttle: check with me later .. an old friend of mine works in the IT dept at psu .. he could tell me more (when he's online) |
| 17:07.24 | ttuttle | abrotman: Okay, thanks. |
| 17:07.41 | meng_ | moshii: increase the blocksize on larger disk/partion? |
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| 17:07.44 | alex^^ | Hi, im needing to setup getmail or fetchmail to simply download an email account from a pop3 email server into a local account, can anyone please give me a heads up on how to go about this |
| 17:08.22 | linuxtk10 | alexinstall qmail |
| 17:08.22 | alex^^ | um, no. |
| 17:08.23 | abrotman | be nice if the mirrors list said if they were i2 or not i guess |
| 17:08.59 | moshii | meng_: for example, you can address 32 blocks; if the blocksize is 1KiB you can have an fs/file of 32KiB, make the blocksize 1GiB and you can have an fs/file of 32GiB |
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| 17:09.36 | moshii | meng_: blocksize generally equals the smallest allocatable space however, so all files take up at least $blocksize |
| 17:09.55 | xingu | moshii: of course if your files cluster at 1-2MiB, you're wasting a whole bunch of disk space. :) |
| 17:10.08 | xingu | real filesystems have variable length blocks |
| 17:10.29 | moshii | meng_: totally, with a 3TB fs I wouldn't use ext* to be honest |
| 17:10.39 | ttuttle | WOW! |
| 17:10.50 | meng_ | moshii: what would you suggest? |
| 17:10.51 | ttuttle | carroll.aset.psu.edu gives me 10.7 MB/s. That's I2, I bet. |
| 17:10.53 | ivant | I'm trying to run an SDL program (jumpnbump) under X and I get an error message: "XDM authorization key matches an existing client!SDL ERROR: Couldn't open X11 display". How can I fix it? |
| 17:11.45 | Alpounet | ivant, are you root ? |
| 17:11.54 | moshii | meng_: I'd try a few of the big name ones like xfs, reiser etc and see how you get on |
| 17:11.55 | ivant | Alpounet, no, normal user |
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| 17:12.17 | moshii | meng_: xfs is good for big files, but crap on small ones for example |
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| 17:13.25 | meng_ | moshii: ok, use xfs for large files. what about small files? |
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| 17:13.30 | moshii | meng_: you could make a nice h264 jukebox with a 3TB array :) |
| 17:13.39 | ttuttle | How unstable are unstable and testing? Can I reasonably use one or the other as a normal desktop? |
| 17:13.39 | meng_ | right. |
| 17:13.46 | misnomer | how do i know if i have etch installed vs sarge without basing it on the kernel ? |
| 17:14.15 | _Therock_ | hey guys, is there a build in function in update and upgrade only security patches? |
| 17:14.23 | alex^^ | Hi, im needing to setup getmail or fetchmail to simply download an email account from a pop3 email server into a local account, can anyone please give me a heads up on how to go about this |
| 17:14.46 | ttuttle | Wow, I'm really impressed. Everything works out of the box, and this took me about an hour to install. |
| 17:15.09 | moshii | meng_: I'm trying to find a benchmark of the fses that has been updated in the last 2 years.. |
| 17:15.10 | meng_ | moshii: or avi/mpeg movies (xfs will be a good for this?) |
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| 17:15.18 | abrotman | ttuttle: psu has a huge pipe |
| 17:15.20 | xaque | ttuttle: are you on amd64? |
| 17:15.22 | ttuttle | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 17:15.23 | ttuttle | xaque: Yes. |
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| 17:15.32 | abrotman | ttuttle: until you get used to debian .. i'd stick with stable or testing |
| 17:15.38 | itchi | ttuttle: Your ways to slow :-p |
| 17:15.46 | moshii | meng_: xfs is good for big files like 12gig avi's yes |
| 17:15.47 | abrotman | ttuttle: be warned that things do break in testing occaisonally |
| 17:15.52 | ttuttle | abrotman: Of course. |
| 17:16.09 | xaque | ttuttle: and when they do, you better understand linux heavily =] |
| 17:16.11 | itchi | ttuttle: Do some exercises and it will take half of the time :-) |
| 17:16.16 | abrotman | and unstable .. people do use it for a desktop .. but you're expected to have a certain level of knowledge on how to fix debian-specific issues |
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| 17:16.45 | itchi | We should define break :-) |
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| 17:16.48 | abrotman | ttuttle: and of course do a reasonable amount of legwork before you come in here crying about it being broken .. like check the BTS, etc |
| 17:16.51 | xaque | Nearly anyone running amd64 needs to run unstable. Debian has not grown to fill in the shoes of amd64 |
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| 17:16.56 | xaque | imho |
| 17:17.00 | abrotman | that's bull |
| 17:17.10 | moshii | meng_: http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
| 17:17.16 | ttuttle | Er, that's sorta true about Gentoo too. |
| 17:17.28 | abrotman | at this point .. testing and unstable are very similar |
| 17:17.40 | meng_ | noshii: thanks. |
| 17:17.47 | moshii | meng_: slightly old though :/ |
| 17:17.49 | abrotman | except testing is mildly less broken .. like the other day when you couldn't install git |
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| 17:17.59 | abrotman | (in unstable) |
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| 17:18.28 | itchi | There's much lesser to download with testing. Unstable is that heavy :-( |
| 17:18.48 | xaque | abrotman: has something about amd64 on stable changed that I am not aware of? |
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| 17:19.26 | tafs | I`m installing debian as a xen dom0 and wondering, what's in the "Standard System" task, and do i need it? i couldnt find any description of the different tasks in 5 minutes of googling. |
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| 17:19.49 | abrotman | xaque: i didn't mention stable .. though it's certainly usable with amd64 |
| 17:19.59 | abrotman | tafs: man tasksel |
| 17:20.13 | hark | tafs: it's tasksel, you can check with tasksel --task-packages standard |
| 17:20.43 | tafs | thanks, missed it the last time i looked at the man page >_< |
| 17:20.54 | abrotman | huge man page .. .. |
| 17:21.00 | xaque | abrotman: Better as a server than a desktop, I would argue though |
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| 17:21.16 | abrotman | xaque: that argument can be made for any architecture |
| 17:22.49 | abrotman | depending on your needs |
| 17:22.50 | abrotman | byes! |
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| 17:23.16 | valdyn | moshii: http://oss.oracle.com/projects/btrfs/dist/documentation/benchmark.html |
| 17:23.21 | xaque | abrotman: perhaps |
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| 17:23.43 | hark | xaque: what's the problem with it on stable? |
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| 17:24.28 | mijenix | is there a easy way to undo a encrypted debian installation? |
| 17:24.32 | moshii | valdyn: btrfs? |
| 17:24.37 | mijenix | without installing the system again |
| 17:24.42 | kenjy | how can I know in what port a service is running? |
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| 17:26.35 | xaque | hark: I can't recall specifics. I ran amd64 on stable for a few months, then as my demand for functionality increased, I had to move to unstable. Unstable ran for about 3 months before it broke. But I expect such because, well, its unstable... |
| 17:26.37 | abrotman | kenjy: /etc/services lists well known services |
| 17:26.46 | abrotman | xaque: was that etch or sarge ? |
| 17:26.51 | xaque | hark: I have since stopped running debian on amd64 machines |
| 17:26.56 | xaque | abrotman: etch |
| 17:27.12 | xaque | abrotman: when etch was testing, I was running sid |
| 17:27.22 | mijenix | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu *rofl* |
| 17:27.33 | _Therock_ | hey guys, is there a build in function in update and upgrade only security patches? |
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| 17:27.37 | Ronin | mijenix: well it's not |
| 17:27.46 | mijenix | you guys are made my day |
| 17:27.55 | mijenix | are made, wtf |
| 17:28.07 | mijenix | sry for my english |
| 17:28.15 | abrotman | the word is "sorry" :) |
| 17:28.29 | abrotman | _Therock_: as opposed to ? |
| 17:28.36 | _Therock_ | apt-get |
| 17:28.38 | mijenix | yes but I don't have the key "o" |
| 17:28.41 | mijenix | sry |
| 17:28.48 | abrotman | _Therock_: just the patch itself .. or the whole new package ? |
| 17:28.55 | mijenix | :) |
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| 17:29.04 | _Therock_ | well automate the process of applying security patches |
| 17:29.12 | _Therock_ | only security |
| 17:29.26 | rober1 | hola... I am trying to setup my older nvidia ti4600... i'm using the nvidia driver... does anyone know how to specify dvi as output? |
| 17:29.38 | abrotman | you wouldn't want any packages to install unattended normally |
| 17:29.47 | mijenix | rober1: you don't have to specify |
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| 17:29.53 | _Therock_ | no im aware of that |
| 17:29.56 | EvilGuru | A year or so ago a friend of mine set up squirrel mail on my server using the debian package for it and set it to use SSL. However it only use SSL (HTTPS) when you initially login, where would I need to go to change this? |
| 17:30.00 | mijenix | rober1: it should work automatically |
| 17:30.05 | abrotman | _Therock_: so you want it to just update and download the new packages? |
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| 17:30.09 | abrotman | but not install them ? |
| 17:30.19 | rober1 | dvi? |
| 17:30.29 | mijenix | yes |
| 17:30.30 | rober1 | it uses analog out only for some reason |
| 17:30.32 | _Therock_ | well... sort of installing them also, but i know what you mean |
| 17:30.43 | _Therock_ | that it's not the "normal" way to do it |
| 17:30.44 | mijenix | rober1: strange |
| 17:30.45 | abrotman | no .. i don't :) |
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| 17:31.00 | _Therock_ | well, download, and install unattend |
| 17:31.04 | mijenix | is there a easy way to undo a encrypted debian installation? |
| 17:31.14 | abrotman | _Therock_: you can do something like `aptitude update && aptitude --download-only upgrade` .. but that won't install the packages .. you'll have to do that yourself |
| 17:31.35 | _Therock_ | hmm |
| 17:31.47 | moshii | EvilGuru: on the httpd |
| 17:31.48 | _Therock_ | so if i wanted to auto install i would have to apply -yq ? |
| 17:31.53 | hark | cron-apt maybe |
| 17:31.55 | abrotman | _Therock_: but you really really don't want to |
| 17:32.04 | EvilGuru | rober1: Do you mean that the DVI port does nothing, or that only an analogue single is sent through it |
| 17:32.13 | abrotman | _Therock_: what if it stops a service and then asks you a question .. and you don't check it for a few days ? |
| 17:32.20 | abrotman | (one would hope you'd notice before that) |
| 17:32.21 | rober1 | the dvi doesn't seem to be working |
| 17:32.23 | xaque | How many devs are there working on debian? |
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| 17:32.30 | rober1 | only the analog port has output |
| 17:32.32 | abrotman | !dstats unstablle |
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| 17:32.33 | abrotman | !dstats unstable |
| 17:32.35 | _Therock_ | well then the services would not be online |
| 17:32.40 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 21359 packages, 1874 maintainers, 51891 MB installed size, 17666 MB compressed size. |
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| 17:32.40 | EvilGuru | moshii: I have looked in the sites-enabled dir of apache2 and found it, and SSL is on so am wondering if squirrel mail is known to use any other configs |
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| 17:32.46 | _Therock_ | but the thing is it's only running iptables/netfilter |
| 17:32.51 | moshii | EvilGuru: What I have is a vhost for squirrel and a rule in lighttpd to force httpd on that vhost |
| 17:32.56 | _Therock_ | so if would only be if there was a update for iptables |
| 17:32.57 | hark | about a 1000 or so |
| 17:32.58 | EvilGuru | rober1: What DVI cable are you using? |
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| 17:33.10 | rober1 | the one that came w/ my new monitor |
| 17:33.19 | rober1 | there is only 1 dvi out on this monitor |
| 17:33.26 | rober1 | i mean on the card |
| 17:33.27 | ttuttle | Okay, now... should I run testing? |
| 17:33.29 | xaque | I would like to see amd64 support increase. Is there someting that I can do to help its progress? |
| 17:33.43 | ttuttle | xaque: Buy more amd64 boxen, and file more bugs? |
| 17:33.45 | abrotman | ttuttle: only you can decide that |
| 17:33.52 | abrotman | xaque: or fix bugs |
| 17:34.03 | Dark-Fx | xaque: Go beat up Macromedia and force them to release a 64-bit flash |
| 17:34.12 | mijenix | can't be is there no way to undo a encrypted install of debian? |
| 17:34.17 | _Therock_ | so something like this abrotman `apt-get update && apt-get -yq upgrade` |
| 17:34.21 | _Therock_ | right? |
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| 17:34.29 | ttuttle | abrotman: Well, is testing stable enough for a desktop? |
| 17:34.29 | abrotman | _Therock_: you can do it .. it's bad though |
| 17:34.33 | rober1 | maybe a reboot w/ just the dvi cable? |
| 17:34.34 | EvilGuru | rober1: If you have a DVI to VGA adapter try it and then use a VGA cable |
| 17:34.38 | abrotman | ttuttle: i use it on my primary home machine |
| 17:34.44 | rober1 | i am using vga out now |
| 17:34.45 | xaque | Dark-Fx: those sorts of political things with companies is really anoying! |
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| 17:34.49 | rober1 | there is a vga and dvi out |
| 17:34.54 | rober1 | on the card |
| 17:34.55 | _Therock_ | well what is the best approch then, if i want unattend install ? |
| 17:34.59 | abrotman | ttuttle: that said .. i've been using debian for a fairly long time |
| 17:35.00 | EvilGuru | On my nvidia cards at boot-up (until X loads) all of the ports mirror each other |
| 17:35.02 | Dark-Fx | I almost always use Debian sid |
| 17:35.02 | rober1 | and dvi and vga in on the monirot |
| 17:35.04 | ttuttle | abrotman: Okay. How do I update? Change sources.list, then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 17:35.06 | abrotman | _Therock_: but you don't :) |
| 17:35.10 | _Therock_ | hehe |
| 17:35.11 | abrotman | !tell ttuttle about etch->lenny |
| 17:35.12 | rober1 | i'd like to use dvi if i can though |
| 17:35.18 | abrotman | ttuttle: get used to using aptitude |
| 17:35.23 | abrotman | !tell ttuttle about refcard |
| 17:35.30 | ttuttle | Thanks. |
| 17:35.33 | _Therock_ | so you saing the best way is to download if any and mail me with the info to ssh into the box and update? |
| 17:35.35 | mijenix | EvilGuru: same for my GeForce4 Ti-4200 |
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| 17:35.59 | abrotman | _Therock_: download them .. and email you if packages are downloaded .. then you can go in and do the upgrade manually |
| 17:36.01 | EvilGuru | rober1: Reboot with DVI connected, you should see something on the monitor, don't freak if it goes blank when X loads that is normal |
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| 17:36.14 | SpeedyG | abrotman: why should he get used to aptitude, is apt-* not good enough? o_0 |
| 17:36.22 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 17:36.22 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 17:36.32 | abrotman | it's not foolproof .. but it's better |
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| 17:36.37 | SpeedyG | ah :) |
| 17:36.39 | _Therock_ | okay |
| 17:37.08 | SpeedyG | (i'm much more a fan of aptitude then apt-* anyway.. don't like the '-' in apt-* ;) ) |
| 17:37.11 | _Therock_ | did't either know that about aptitude :) |
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| 17:38.28 | abrotman | SpeedyG: you could alias it :) |
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| 17:38.43 | _Therock_ | so aptiude is the sucessor of apt-get? |
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| 17:39.37 | ttuttle | How often does unstable break? |
| 17:39.53 | abrotman | ttuttle: it's not the frequency .. it's the severity |
| 17:39.57 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 17:40.02 | ttuttle | abrotman: Okay, how badly? |
| 17:40.06 | abrotman | !tell ttuttle about sid faq |
| 17:40.07 | xaque | Why is there no debconf in the US? |
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| 17:40.16 | tdn | In a shellscript, how do I get the PID of a process I just started in the bagground? |
| 17:40.16 | abrotman | xaque: gov't |
| 17:40.33 | abrotman | ttuttle: sometimes very badly ... like when PAM exploded |
| 17:40.34 | xaque | abrotman: care to elaborate? |
| 17:40.43 | abrotman | xaque: i didn't think i had to |
| 17:40.46 | xaque | abrotman: that was fun |
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| 17:41.11 | abrotman | !ben break |
| 17:41.11 | dpkg | "Woody is unstable. If you currently enjoy a problem free system, and have no specific reason for using woody, I suggest you stick with potato. There may not be any problems now (there might be, but I don't know all of the details), but sooner or later shit will hit the fan. If you don't know enough about system recovery, you may be screwed." -- Ben Collins, debian-sparc, 7-Dec-2000 |
| 17:41.21 | ttuttle | abrotman: Wht about testing? |
| 17:41.38 | abrotman | ttuttle: things break .. less frequently .. and hopefully not as badly .. but sometimes for longer |
| 17:41.45 | abrotman | though usually there ends up being a work around |
| 17:41.47 | xaque | abrotman: aparantly not, thanks |
| 17:42.10 | Braindead | most of the big b0rks hare prevented by apt-listbugs, let's not paint a gloomy picture |
| 17:42.13 | EvilGuru | Heh, woody and potato |
| 17:42.15 | abrotman | xaque: remember the guy adobe had arrested ? |
| 17:42.26 | abrotman | Braindead: if you read that |
| 17:42.26 | xaque | Nope |
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| 17:42.55 | abrotman | xaque: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-270082.html |
| 17:43.06 | kenjy | abrotman I have a running zope server but I wanna know in witch port its listening |
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| 17:43.32 | abrotman | kenjy: do you know the PID ? |
| 17:43.38 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 17:43.39 | xaque | abrotman: I take it you read a lot of news. Thanks for the link.. I ususally avoid the news at all costs |
| 17:43.48 | abrotman | xaque: it's old .. was important .. |
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| 17:44.03 | abrotman | kenjy: there hsould be a conf file .. lsof/fuser/netstat will show open ports |
| 17:44.09 | xaque | abrotman: are you in the us? |
| 17:44.11 | kenjy | yes abrotman I know the pid |
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| 17:44.45 | ttuttle | What's the proper deb source for security updates to unstable? Or are they just pushed directly into sid? |
| 17:44.51 | abrotman | xaque: yes |
| 17:44.58 | abrotman | ttuttle: there are none at all |
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| 17:45.30 | abrotman | if you need a stable/secure system .. unstable shouldn't be your target |
| 17:45.40 | kenjy | how can I know? |
| 17:45.44 | ttuttle | abrotman: Um, but when a bug is fixed, sid gets it immediately, right? |
| 17:46.48 | abrotman | it gets there when the maintainer uploads it |
| 17:47.00 | hark | ttuttle: just read the sid faq.. |
| 17:47.02 | abrotman | kenjy: try lsof |
| 17:47.21 | ttuttle | Eh, I'll try it. |
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| 17:47.51 | abrotman | ttuttle: if you're unsure .. go testing first |
| 17:47.56 | abrotman | or even stable |
| 17:48.03 | abrotman | learn to walk before running |
| 17:48.34 | kenjy | abrotman what have to do the open files with the port where zope server its running? |
| 17:49.03 | EvilGuru | Right, now got squirrel mail to stay in SSL mode all the time |
| 17:49.12 | abrotman | $ grep zope /etc/services |
| 17:49.12 | abrotman | zope-ftp 8021/tcp # zope management by ftp |
| 17:49.12 | abrotman | zope 9673/tcp # zope server |
| 17:49.15 | ttuttle | Does testing get updates? |
| 17:49.20 | ttuttle | s/updates/security updates/; |
| 17:49.24 | abrotman | ttuttle: yes-ish |
| 17:49.38 | ttuttle | Through security.debian.org, or by just pushing them? |
| 17:49.43 | abrotman | both |
| 17:49.47 | ttuttle | Okay. |
| 17:49.50 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 17:49.51 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 17:49.51 | ttuttle | So testing is better to start? |
| 17:50.04 | abrotman | but i'm not sure how well maintained that is |
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| 17:50.28 | DexterF | hi |
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| 17:50.35 | ttuttle | Is testing better or worse than unstable? |
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| 17:50.45 | abrotman | depends how you define better/worse |
| 17:50.54 | DexterF | got a dvd structure backed up on hard disk. what player can play it directly from there? |
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| 17:51.07 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 17:51.08 | ttuttle | DexterF: mplayer, IIRC. |
| 17:51.28 | jmacz | Hi everyone, I have a problem with aliased over gtk applications. I'm running Etch (libgtk1.2 and libgtk2.0-0). Here are my gtk-related packages: http://paste.debian.net/35529 Any idea what package I'm I missing? |
| 17:51.35 | Bajo_ | abrotman, in order of stability? stable->unstable->testing? |
| 17:51.45 | abrotman | no .. stable->testing->unstable |
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| 17:51.51 | Bajo_ | ok |
| 17:51.53 | abrotman | !releases |
| 17:51.53 | dpkg | [releases] See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 17:52.05 | jmacz | *aliased fonts |
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| 17:53.58 | ttuttle | So how unmaintained is testing? |
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| 17:54.50 | DexterF | it is maintained permanently, but it's work in progress |
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| 17:55.06 | ttuttle | DexterF: Is it easier or harder to use than unstable? |
| 17:55.12 | Worm` | hi |
| 17:55.12 | pickcoder | stuff is updated daily at the least, but Etch was released not too long ago |
| 17:55.23 | pickcoder | so it's still pretty new |
| 17:55.52 | abrotman | ttuttle: i use testing at home for my main machine .. i get updates almost every day |
| 17:55.54 | DexterF | ttuttle: that's not the point. the question is what do you want. they are both debian versions, but one has more up to date packages that might come with a few edges |
| 17:55.55 | pickcoder | unstable should only be used by expert Debian users or developers |
| 17:56.08 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 17:56.08 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 17:56.09 | DexterF | ttuttle: what do you wann do with it? |
| 17:56.12 | pickcoder | if stuff breaks, you're on your own to fix it and submit a bug report |
| 17:56.23 | ttuttle | DexterF: I just want newer packages, because they often work better, like ipw3945. |
| 17:56.29 | Worm` | i'm trying to compile a hsf modem driver and i need kernel-source-2.6.18-k7 package, but i can't install it with apt because i don't have internet connection |
| 17:56.47 | Worm` | how to get it without apt ? |
| 17:56.54 | DexterF | ttuttle: have a look at backports and read up on pinning in the apt-howto |
| 17:57.04 | hark | Worm`: get it from packages.debian.org |
| 17:57.06 | abrotman | you wouldn't use backports with testing usually |
| 17:57.13 | abrotman | unless it's a simple sid backport |
| 17:57.17 | DexterF | umm, well, yah |
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| 17:57.19 | Worm` | ok thanks |
| 17:57.27 | hark | Worm`: you'll need the headers as well |
| 17:57.33 | abrotman | ttuttle: try testing for a few days .. see how it works for you .. |
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| 17:57.50 | hark | Worm`: er, you'll need the headers only |
| 17:57.51 | DexterF | jeez this raid is filed to the _brim_ |
| 17:58.03 | Worm` | ok |
| 17:58.19 | Worm` | the latest stable version is 4.0 ? |
| 17:58.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:58.34 | foo | blah, /me slaps nfs. RPC: Timed Out ... it's been working fine ... why. Any ideas? |
| 17:58.36 | ttuttle | Well, GNOME is 2 major versions ahead in testing (4, but the odds are devel versions). |
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| 17:58.46 | hark | Worm`: wait, what does uname -r say? |
| 17:58.57 | abrotman | ttuttle: right .. but gnome 2.18 is currently in testing |
| 17:59.05 | ttuttle | abrotman: Yeah, that's okay, it's almost done ;-) |
| 17:59.06 | Worm` | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 17:59.22 | ttuttle | abrotman: Basically, bugs are okay, as long as it *mostly* works. |
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| 17:59.36 | ttuttle | abrotman: I'm coming from Gentoo, so as long as I spend less time maintaining this than that, I'm happy. |
| 17:59.40 | juso | when I do a crontab -l, the entires that it lists, where are those stored in a flat file, somewhere? |
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| 17:59.51 | ttuttle | juso: /etc/crontab, if you're root. |
| 17:59.51 | hark | Worm`: yeah, there's already an update for the kernel now -5- |
| 17:59.53 | Worm` | hark: 2.6.18-4-k7 |
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| 18:00.43 | ghatak | I am trying to mount my hard drive under /home/user/mountpoint, with fstab entry /dev/sdb1 /home/user/mountpoint ext3 defaults 0 2, however the /home/user/mountpoint gets owned by root, while i want to be able to read and write to it as user. what do i need to change ? |
| 18:00.49 | abrotman | ttuttle: like i said yesterday .. the only standing issue i have that really bugs me is the lid/acpi stuff i haven't bothered to fix yet |
| 18:01.05 | ttuttle | abrotman: Okay, that's fine. (I can fix that with a few lines of shell.) |
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| 18:03.05 | hark | Worm`: so you won't get the headers for that version fom pdo. Better to upgrade your kernel as well |
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| 18:03.45 | Worm` | hark: i can't upgrade it without any connection :-/ |
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| 18:04.15 | biatche | anyone good @ iproute2/tc? |
| 18:04.25 | juso | ttuttle: /etc/crotab desn't list the users crontab entries.. cani view those somewhere? yes I am root |
| 18:04.28 | Knorrie | !anyone |
| 18:04.29 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 18:04.39 | abrotman | juso: /var/spool/cron/ |
| 18:04.47 | juso | I want to backup all users cron entries... for a migration. anyone have an idea how I can do so? |
| 18:05.07 | hark | Worm`: just download linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7, linux-headers-2.6.18-5-k7 and linux-kbuild-2.6.18 from pdo and install with dpkg |
| 18:05.23 | biatche | iproute2/tc question: tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 2:1 handle 3: sfq perturb 9 <-- What does "handle" and "perturb" 'value' take care of? |
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| 18:07.25 | Worm` | hark : ok i do that |
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| 18:07.37 | Dark-Fx | biatche: "QDISCS A qdisc, which potentially can have children, gets assigned a major number, called a 'handle', leaving the minor number namespace available for classes. The handle is expressed as '10:'. It is customary to explicitly assign a handle to qdiscs expected to have children." |
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| 18:08.03 | ampex | When I add a USB storage device, I'm seeing a /dev/.tmp-X-XX but the /dev/sdX never gets created, any ideas? |
| 18:08.15 | biatche | Trying to understand that.... |
| 18:08.22 | abrotman | any hints in dmesg ampex? |
| 18:08.50 | Dark-Fx | I haven't really had much luck with actually understanding tc. I switched to OpenBSD because pf is a lot more powerful and easier to use |
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| 18:09.11 | biatche | I see, so routing and traffic control in bsd > linux? |
| 18:09.22 | ampex | abrotman: nothing in dmesg, but /var/log/messages shows wait_for_sysfs: waiting for '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.1/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/host12/target12:0:0/12:0:0:0/ioerr_cnt' failed |
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| 18:09.23 | Dark-Fx | In my opinion, yes. |
| 18:09.32 | Dark-Fx | I'm sure there are others that will disagree with me |
| 18:09.37 | ampex | abrotman: and there are many usb 1-1: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 |
| 18:09.46 | abrotman | is it maybe uhci ? |
| 18:09.56 | biatche | Dark-Fx: $BIN_TC qdisc add dev $PC_DEV parent 2:3 handle 5: sfq perturb 11 <-- mind explaining what this does then? |
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| 18:10.01 | ampex | abrotman: as in USB 1.1? |
| 18:10.02 | biatche | perhaps i could learn from example. |
| 18:10.31 | abrotman | ampex: i'm just asking |
| 18:10.38 | abrotman | ampex: do iother usb devices work? |
| 18:10.41 | ampex | abrotman: the device is definitely USB 2.0 |
| 18:10.48 | abrotman | ampex: is the controller usb2 ? |
| 18:10.51 | ampex | abrotman: yes, other devices work, and even other identical models |
| 18:10.57 | ampex | abrotman: yep, 2.0 controller |
| 18:11.05 | abrotman | ampex: is there data on this device you want ? |
| 18:11.10 | Dark-Fx | biatche: Let me look at my old config |
| 18:11.13 | abrotman | does this device work in other machine ? |
| 18:11.19 | ampex | abrotman: strangely enough, I can plug the same drive into a windows box and read the ext3 filesystem with third party software |
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| 18:11.41 | ampex | abrotman: there is data on the device, but I don't necessarily need it |
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| 18:12.19 | Worm` | hark: i've downloaded those packages http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-k7 http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/linux-kbuild-2.6.18 but i can't find linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 18:12.19 | biatche | Dark-Fx: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=579794 --- i posted the whole thing here.. i've done quite a bit of reading on tc, now im trying to learn from example. and i can't understand this part. |
| 18:12.36 | abrotman | ampex: tried another socket ? |
| 18:12.37 | biatche | those numbers .... are so bogus to me. |
| 18:12.38 | ampex | abrotman: I'd be tempted to think the drive is bad if it wasn't for the fact that windows can read it |
| 18:12.50 | abrotman | ampex: windows is ruthless in its attempts to read data |
| 18:13.08 | ampex | abrotman: and I ran a full hard drive scan using Western Digital's utility and found no error(s) |
| 18:13.12 | abrotman | or perhaps the third party drivers munged it |
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| 18:13.53 | abrotman | ampex: googled a bit already? |
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| 18:14.54 | ampex | abrotman: a bit, if there's nothing obvious then I'll just keep searching |
| 18:16.04 | ampex | abrotman: I appreciate your help |
| 18:16.15 | abrotman | ampex: have you tried a manual mount instead of autmagic ? |
| 18:16.34 | ampex | abrotman: I don't think it's trying to mount, just trying to add the scsi device |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. there's no device to mount :) |
| 18:16.41 | ampex | abrotman: right |
| 18:16.59 | Worm` | hark: sorry i've found it : http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 18:17.02 | abrotman | have another linux box to check on ? |
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| 18:18.23 | Dark-Fx | biatche: handle is basically how tc names the queue |
| 18:18.36 | biatche | i see..... |
| 18:18.45 | biatche | did you check out the link? |
| 18:18.45 | abrotman | ampex: only those two boxes ? |
| 18:18.48 | ampex | abrotman: same situation on another box, I'm thinking bad drive |
| 18:18.52 | ampex | abrotman: linux box that is |
| 18:18.57 | abrotman | ampex: another box that is also debian? |
| 18:18.59 | Dark-Fx | I'll respond to it and see if I can help clarify things |
| 18:19.09 | biatche | ok, i appreciate your help |
| 18:19.15 | juso | Some advise: Hosting a 24/7 application, we have inhouse servers over a t1 an a few remote servers in a hosting company. Whats a good way to setup a good failover system, enter in low ttl records, do some heartbeat checking and update DNS to failover server, when needed? |
| 18:19.31 | biatche | name the queue....... ouch... still can't picture it clearly. |
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| 18:20.11 | unsolo | im having a problem using postfix + mysql + forwarding , cant get forwarding working |
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| 18:20.21 | abrotman | ampex: that box is also debian or something else ? |
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| 18:20.47 | SpeedyG | can someone highlight me please? :) |
| 18:20.51 | Dark-Fx | hmm... account isn't active |
| 18:20.59 | abrotman | SpeedyG: |
| 18:21.06 | SpeedyG | hm.. crappy script :( |
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| 18:22.21 | xingu | juso: take a look into haproxy |
| 18:22.57 | Dark-Fx | biatche: I don't really know where 2: comes from in your example |
| 18:23.06 | biatche | Exactly.... |
| 18:23.13 | biatche | So, it doesn't make sense right? |
| 18:23.19 | biatche | it shouldn't be there, is that right? |
| 18:24.14 | Worm` | hark: i can't install linux-header-2.6.18-5-k7 because it depends of linux-headers-2.6.15-5, is that normal ? |
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| 18:24.25 | Dark-Fx | I don't think so, no. |
| 18:24.37 | Worm` | depends of 2.6.18-8 sorry |
| 18:24.47 | Worm` | 2.6.18-5 |
| 18:24.48 | biatche | Ok........... haha im so lost. |
| 18:24.48 | Worm` | :p |
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| 18:25.25 | Dark-Fx | biatche: so what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:25.41 | biatche | A router with traffic shaping. |
| 18:26.00 | biatche | dual-wan router with traffic shaping + policy routing... to be exact. |
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| 18:26.11 | biatche | that's about it.. |
| 18:26.43 | biatche | after much reading, i think its best i use htb + sfq per class? + prio |
| 18:26.57 | Dark-Fx | That's what I was using |
| 18:27.04 | biatche | and what are you using now? |
| 18:27.12 | biatche | got any config files to share? |
| 18:27.14 | Dark-Fx | I'm using pf |
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| 18:27.44 | biatche | you talkin bout... pfsense ? |
| 18:28.11 | Dark-Fx | openBSD pfctl |
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| 18:28.47 | biatche | ok, any performance difference compared to your old configuration with htb, sfq, prio? |
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| 18:30.26 | Dark-Fx | I'm using a different machine for it. |
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| 18:30.41 | linuxtk10 | hey |
| 18:30.49 | linuxtk10 | how can i see what debian version i am running ? |
| 18:30.52 | Dark-Fx | I could share my config, but I'm not even sure that's correct |
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| 18:31.20 | biatche | but it did work right? |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | !tell linuxtk10 about version |
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| 18:32.26 | JordiGH | Hm, apt-cacher doesn't seem to cache dotdebs if I use apt to install them on the apt-cacher proxy server. :-/ |
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| 18:32.43 | JordiGH | I have to explicitly move the dotdebs to the apt-cacher dotdeb directory and then tell it to import them if I do this. |
| 18:32.46 | abrotman | is apt-cacher set up for those ? |
| 18:32.51 | abrotman | and you sohuldn't be using dotdebs |
| 18:32.56 | JordiGH | .deb |
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| 18:33.10 | abrotman | oh .. i thought you meant dotdeb.org or whatever it is |
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| 18:33.44 | Dark-Fx | JordiGH: You should be pointing your sources on that machine to point to the proxy |
| 18:33.51 | JordiGH | I didn't see an option about telling apt-cacher to check another directory for dotdebs. I'll look again. It seems kinda silly in total that it needs its own directory of dotdebs instead of using /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:34.05 | JordiGH | Dark-Fx: Eh? The server is its own proxy? |
| 18:34.14 | JordiGH | Dark-Fx: I hadn't thought of that. |
| 18:34.14 | Dark-Fx | That's how I have mine set up |
| 18:34.59 | rootmos | is there a way to make apt compile a src-module? |
| 18:35.03 | JordiGH | Thanks for the tip. |
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| 18:35.17 | JordiGH | rootmos: Not apt... dpkg does it. |
| 18:35.20 | Dark-Fx | It'll download the packages to /var/cache/apt/archives/, so just run `apt-get clean` afterwards |
| 18:35.41 | JordiGH | Dark-Fx: Ok, so it's still kinda silly. Bug, methinks. |
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| 18:36.23 | Dark-Fx | There might be a way to modify it, but it's quick enough for me |
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| 18:36.39 | noesc|barbar | Whats the tool called to configure the X server? |
| 18:36.53 | JordiGH | I don't see it in the manpage. If there's a way to modify it, they need to make it more explicit in the docs. |
| 18:36.54 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:38.23 | noesc|barbar | abrotman - thanks |
| 18:38.35 | linuxtk10 | little issue |
| 18:38.38 | linuxtk10 | never had to do before |
| 18:38.41 | abrotman | !tell grubber about root |
| 18:38.49 | linuxtk10 | how can i clear my dev out and put a new one back in there ? |
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| 18:40.30 | rootmos | how do i build a module the debian way? |
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| 18:41.09 | abrotman | m-a |
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| 18:41.59 | JordiGH | rootmos: At any rate, if you want to compile a source package, do apt-get build-dep <package-name> and apt-get install dh_make, then in the source tree do dpkg-buildpackage binary. |
| 18:42.10 | JordiGH | rootmos: Which is entirely different from building a kernel module. |
| 18:42.35 | JordiGH | Gah. |
| 18:42.54 | JordiGH | The Debian installer isn't obeying my command to use a proxy or I'm not telling it properly how to do it. |
| 18:42.56 | linuxtk10 | i need to make a dev |
| 18:42.58 | linuxtk10 | how can i do this ? |
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| 18:43.03 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: What's a dev? |
| 18:43.12 | Toad | Anyone here know what package I might find the equivalent of firefox-xpcom in? |
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| 18:43.26 | Toad | I'm trying to use the Mozilla::Mechanize perl module, and it says it can't find firefox-xpcom |
| 18:43.34 | Toad | *** can not find package for any of (mozilla-xpcom >= 1.7, firefox-xpcom >= 1.0, mozilla-firefox-xpcom >= 1.0) |
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| 18:43.56 | linuxtk10 | JordiGH: /dev |
| 18:45.08 | Dark-Fx | JordiGH: hostname:port for the first part, then /http.debian.org/debian main |
| 18:45.15 | JordiGH | linuxtk10: You don't "create" /dev things. Linux does and it does so when it should. |
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| 18:45.26 | Dark-Fx | that *should* be right, trying to recall from memory |
| 18:45.52 | JordiGH | Dark-Fx: Yeah, I'm doing that. The d-i is still connecting to the Debian servers directly, though. Ack. |
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| 18:45.54 | Dark-Fx | linuxtk10: What device are you trying to make? |
| 18:46.04 | ampex | have there been any updates recently that would delay reverse dns lookups longer than usual? |
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| 18:46.12 | Dark-Fx | JordiGH: isn't there, at the very top, an option for a custom server? |
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| 18:46.44 | abrotman | ampex: i have a box that just started doing that |
| 18:46.48 | linuxtk10 | Dark-Fx: i am doing a debootstrap for a system and i need ot make a dev |
| 18:46.53 | JordiGH | Dark-Fx: Hm, I didn't see it. I'll just tell it to not use a network server and then download everything myself once I manage to get to bash. |
| 18:47.13 | Dark-Fx | linuxtk10: like, the entire /dev directory? |
| 18:47.30 | JordiGH | And it's kinda annoying that even if you tell d-i not to use a network server, it'll still attempt to get the security updates from the net anyways. Grr... |
| 18:47.32 | abrotman | MAKEDEV |
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| 18:47.45 | linuxtk10 | Dark-Fx: like everything in it |
| 18:47.48 | ampex | abrotman: I run a mysql server and noticed delays in reverse dns within the last few days |
| 18:48.02 | ampex | abrotman: I had to turn off resolution on the mysql server to fix it, but nothing else has changed recently |
| 18:48.04 | abrotman | ampex: i was coding today .. didn't really get a chance to look at it |
| 18:48.08 | Dark-Fx | linuxtk10: do you have a /dev/MAKEDEV ? |
| 18:48.28 | ampex | abrotman: what were you doing that made you notice it? just curious... |
| 18:48.34 | JordiGH | ampex: You running a server on testing or unstable? |
| 18:48.40 | ampex | JordiGH: nope, etch |
| 18:48.44 | ampex | JordiGH: stable |
| 18:49.02 | abrotman | ssh in |
| 18:49.06 | linuxtk10 | Dark-Fx: i do |
| 18:49.09 | JordiGH | ampex: Hm, then that's odd that a security update would be messing up things. |
| 18:49.17 | linuxtk10 | Dark-Fx: theres stuff in it just not what needs to be |
| 18:49.19 | ampex | JordiGH: I don't know what did it, I'm just trying to determine |
| 18:49.22 | Dark-Fx | you should be able to use that to make whatever devices are missing |
| 18:49.33 | JordiGH | ampex: Sunspot cycles. :P |
| 18:49.38 | ampex | heh |
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| 18:49.57 | Dark-Fx | linuxtk10: read the MAKEDEV man page if you can |
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| 18:50.41 | linuxtk10 | Dark-Fx: to be honest i think it did run a make dev |
| 18:50.58 | linuxtk10 | Dark-Fx: how can i bind the dev from the host machine into the deboostrap |
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| 18:51.15 | linuxtk10 | mount /dev /mnt/serverdeboot/dev |
| 18:51.19 | linuxtk10 | like that ? |
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| 18:52.07 | Crypticfortune | Eek. I just tried sound on this new box (which has an intel hda onboard sound thing) and i only get sound out of the right channel and the left channel has an earkilling high pitched squeal. any ideas? |
| 18:52.30 | Dark-Fx | linuxtk10: add '-t bind' and that should work. |
| 18:52.44 | abrotman | ampex: when i ssh in. |
| 18:52.48 | Dark-Fx | but I don't know if that will do what you need it to, it may |
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| 18:52.59 | abrotman | ampex: this one is for VMs and samba .. |
| 18:53.29 | noesc|barbar | Is there anyone else that get's "GPG error [path to repository] etch Release: Unkown error executing gpgv"? |
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| 18:53.50 | noesc|barbar | Now I've just reinstalled the whole system. Have debians repository |
| 18:53.59 | abrotman | reinstall gpgv |
| 18:54.27 | abrotman | ampex: all i got in the last week was a new metapackage |
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| 18:57.40 | abrotman | ampex: wait .. are you connecting from linux or win32 boxen ? |
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| 19:00.23 | linuxtk10 | Dark-Fx: mount -t bind /dev/ /mnt/theserver2/dev/ does not work |
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| 19:03.44 | ghatak | I am trying to mount my hard drive under /home/user/mountpoint, with fstab entry /dev/sdb1 /home/user/mountpoint ext3 defaults 0 2, however the /home/user/mountpoint gets owned by root, while i want to be able to read and write to it as user. what do i need to change ? |
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| 19:04.46 | Crypticfortune | found a solution to my audio problem: http://blog.thedebianuser.org/?p=155 |
| 19:06.05 | moshii | ghatak: have you tried changing the permissions on the mount point? |
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| 19:06.46 | ghatak | moshii: it is owned by user before the mount, as soon as i do mount -a, it gets owned by root |
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| 19:06.48 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 19:07.28 | mcgreg | I got a strange error while trying to install a package : dpkg-deb (subprocess): short read in buffer_copy (failed to write to pipe in copy) -> short read in buffer_copy (backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/share/doc/nero/Manual-Fra.pdf') |
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| 19:07.42 | mcgreg | might this be a error in the package or some fs-error? |
| 19:07.53 | moshii | ghatak: what happens when you chown it while mounted? |
| 19:08.44 | moshii | ghatak: there are options in mount to change the umask etc, man mount for though |
| 19:08.48 | ghatak | moshii: hmm have not tried that, let me try that |
| 19:09.04 | mcgreg | oh lol.. I suck. forget what I said |
| 19:09.19 | ghatak | moshii: ok that lets me rw on it now, i am wondering would it allow that after reboot or do i have to do everytime i reboot |
| 19:09.23 | moshii | ghatak: but I only think those are needed if the fs doesn't support permissions like fat |
| 19:10.08 | moshii | ghatak: I think that should stick, the only fses that are troublesum are those that doesn't suppport permissions really |
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| 19:10.22 | moshii | those that don't |
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| 19:11.05 | ghatak | moshii: fingers x |
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| 19:11.41 | moshii | ghatak: I read that as "/me fingers x(as in x11)" |
| 19:12.15 | moshii | too much teesside tin tin for me.. |
| 19:14.19 | mesof | teesside tin tin? |
| 19:14.25 | mesof | moshii: what is that? |
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| 19:15.20 | moshii | mesof: tin tin dubbed by a guy from boro, you tube it if you're into bad language |
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| 19:16.40 | Spida | does anybody know lirc version is needed for 2.6.22? |
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| 19:20.01 | rabies | Spida: generally i just get the source and compile it against the kernel headers |
| 19:20.07 | rabies | Spida: unless that has changed |
| 19:20.36 | tonyyarusso | I have some questions relating to packaging and policy for getting something into contrib. Is there a separate channel for such things, and if so, where? |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 19:21.07 | dpkg | mentors is probably Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 19:21.50 | tonyyarusso | abrotman: That's the one - thank you |
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| 19:22.38 | Spida | rabies: afaik, sometime around 2.6.19 there was a change in the kernel.... |
| 19:22.40 | Spida | error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:23.01 | rabies | Spida: oh...sorry man, haven't used it since then |
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| 19:23.29 | ghatak | moshii: lol, i mean fingers cross :) |
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| 19:23.47 | \amethyst | Spida: you have the linux-headers package for your kernel version? |
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| 19:24.47 | Spida | amethyst: no, there is no package for my kernel, but i have matching headers. |
| 19:25.21 | Spida | amethyst: I was told linux/config.h is not present anymore in recent kernels. |
| 19:27.34 | \amethyst | Spida: try modifying it to use linux/autoconf.h instead |
| 19:28.02 | \amethyst | Spida: linux/config.h was just doing #include <linux/autoconf> previously |
| 19:28.10 | \amethyst | err, <linux/autoconf.h> |
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| 19:31.13 | Esaj | is there something like windows movie maker for Linux? |
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| 19:37.00 | pumpkin0 | What exactly makes linux switch from dma to pio mode for a DVD-drive ? |
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| 19:38.24 | pleed | ich habe einen apache server in einer eigenen chroot. wenn ich jetzt modphp installieren will, muss ich es dann in die chroot installieren? wenn ja wie? |
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| 19:39.11 | Alpounet | pleed, in english please |
| 19:39.39 | mseng | !de |
| 19:39.39 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 19:39.51 | Saar | !it |
| 19:39.51 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'่ anche il canale #linux-it lเ. |
| 19:39.56 | pleed | oh sorry, i ve recentrly installed an apache server into a chroot and i just would like to know if i have to install mods like php into that chroot, too. and how |
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| 19:42.11 | noesc|barbar | I'm trying to complie a source-package. And I get an error that says: "configure: error: newly created files is older than distrubuted files!" Anyone know how I can fix this?` |
| 19:42.34 | rabies | noesc|barbar: fix your clock... |
| 19:43.07 | Saar | pleed: i'd think you'd need to install php in the chroot jail |
| 19:43.08 | noesc|barbar | rabies - How? Debian should take the bios-clock on install? |
| 19:43.15 | karsten | !tell noesc|barbar about set time |
| 19:43.29 | pleed | Saar: so how do i do that with apt-get ? |
| 19:43.35 | rabies | noesc|barbar: depends on your timezone. ntp is a good program for setting your clock via the internet |
| 19:43.41 | Saar | or what's the point of having a jail if one can escape it through php being used outside of it? |
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| 19:44.04 | Saar | pleed: unless you have apt setup inside the jail you can't, you just do it by hand |
| 19:44.06 | noesc|barbar | rabies / karsten thanks. |
| 19:44.14 | noesc|barbar | Autoconfig is allways good :P |
| 19:44.15 | roe | my disk is reading close to 500KB/s on an "idle system" any ideas how to further diagnose what program is the culprit? |
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| 19:44.31 | pleed | Saar: thanks |
| 19:45.10 | jthomas | hello, i have a pent1 with a very minimal install of Etch on it; when it sits for a few minutes the monitor goes black, until I move the mouse. How can I prevent this so that it always displays? |
| 19:45.22 | jthomas | this is with Fluxbox |
| 19:45.45 | karsten | jthomas: xset, tset, xscreensaver-demo |
| 19:45.52 | karsten | jthomas: RTFM on those. |
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| 19:45.56 | jthomas | ok thanks! |
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| 19:46.16 | karsten | jthomas: xset == X display properties, tset == console, xscreensaver-demo is the configuration utility for the usual X screensaver package. |
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| 19:47.03 | jthomas | ok cool, thats exactly what i needed. i have feh running for a photo slideshow frame that i am making, and i don't want it turning off. thanks again! |
| 19:47.25 | karsten | jthomas: 'xset -dpms' should disable all xset dpms ("Energy Star") settings. |
| 19:47.40 | jthomas | yeah? I'll have to try that one. |
| 19:47.43 | karsten | jthomas: How long before the screen blank? |
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| 19:47.51 | zOap | is there a good zerocopy/disk image program for debian? My disk in my laptop is loosing it and I want to make full copy of it to new disk which I want to replace the old one with... |
| 19:47.59 | jthomas | not sure, maybe 10m? |
| 19:48.05 | jthomas | karsten: not sure, maybe 10m? |
| 19:48.10 | karsten | Doesn't look as if there's a way to query the xset timeout, xscreensaver will show. Yeah, 10m is pretty common. |
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| 19:48.37 | jthomas | i'd like to turn off xscreensaver, so thank you for the tip |
| 19:48.50 | adv3cate | xset s off |
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| 19:49.10 | hardcampa_ | zOap: most people use dd to make complete copies as far as I know |
| 19:49.37 | valdyn | zOap: directly? |
| 19:49.42 | jthomas | Any suggestions for faster booting? I've tried hard to keep the install as minimal as possible, but its a pent1 and it takes about 6-8 min to boot into X |
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| 19:49.59 | karsten | zOap: for a disk image: 'cp' or 'dd' on the partition, for contents, I'd recommend either tar or cp (on the directory). |
| 19:50.11 | valdyn | jthomas: replace your /bin/sh - install something like 'dash' |
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| 19:50.22 | jthomas | yeah? great thanks! |
| 19:50.24 | valdyn | jthomas: that's one relatively safe way that saves some time |
| 19:50.43 | zOap | karsten, does cp include all the hidden files and all the stuff?? |
| 19:50.44 | jthomas | will it read .bash_profile at login? |
| 19:50.49 | unsolo | what happens if i mount a new /etc over /etc |
| 19:50.51 | karsten | jthomas: Anything that's sitting for a while at boot time? If you're non-networked, you may invoke several network timeouts, though those seem fixed now. |
| 19:51.08 | karsten | zOap: Invoked properly, yes, but I prefer tar. |
| 19:51.25 | hardcampa_ | zOap my advice is google for "dd copy hd" or something like that, I think you'll find lots of hits then |
| 19:51.30 | zOap | karsten, ok. I'll try it:) thanks:) |
| 19:51.31 | jthomas | i don't see anything killing time, no. It is networked not but not likely once its finished, unless i need access to it for adding photos or something |
| 19:51.34 | valdyn | jthomas: your login shell should be /bin/bash, not /bin/sh |
| 19:51.35 | unsolo | cp -rpgux |
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| 19:51.42 | unsolo | oh no wait debian uses a old cp |
| 19:51.45 | zOap | hardcampa, ok, I'll try that one too. thanks:) |
| 19:51.47 | unsolo | so cp -rpux |
| 19:51.53 | valdyn | jthomas: so that question is irrelevant.. |
| 19:52.16 | jthomas | valdyn: so... huh? repplace my user's shell with /bin/dash ? |
| 19:52.28 | valdyn | jthomas: i never suggested that |
| 19:52.44 | jthomas | lol ok well... "replace your /bin/sh - install something like 'dash' " |
| 19:52.56 | karsten | zOap: from root of partition being transferred: 'tar cvf - . | ( cd <newpath>; tar xpf - ) |
| 19:53.11 | zOap | karsten, thanks:) |
| 19:53.13 | valdyn | jthomas: /bin/sh is not your login shell, it probably has nothing to do with your users default shell |
| 19:53.14 | hardcampa_ | zOap: found a good page otherwise for you =): http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd |
| 19:53.21 | jthomas | so valdyn you're suggesting that i do what with dash? |
| 19:53.26 | zOap | hardcampa, thanks:) |
| 19:53.36 | hardcampa_ | np was curious myself =) |
| 19:53.56 | zOap | hardcampa, hehe, lol, good one then:) |
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| 19:54.11 | karsten | zOap: or what unsolo just said, I think. The tar trick is an old-school trick for copying a directory tree to a new location. From your root partition, omit /sys, /mnt, /media, and /proc, but create those directories on the target (just leave 'em empty). |
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| 19:54.49 | zOap | karsten, oh, okei. |
| 19:54.53 | karsten | jthomas: You _can_ use dash as a login shell, but it'd be pretty annoying. It's a good shell to use for your scripts though. |
| 19:55.08 | karsten | jthomas: POSIX compliant Bourne implementation. |
| 19:55.24 | jthomas | valdyn: so, if i install dash and link /bin/sh to it, then the system will use Dash at boot up and it may go slightly faster, yes? am i following now? |
| 19:55.28 | valdyn | jthomas: just to replace /bin/sh to speed up booting. Im not suggesting to change your login shell |
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| 19:55.44 | jthomas | ok gotcha i think. thanks! |
| 19:55.51 | valdyn | jthomas: right, except that you do not touch /bin/sh manually |
| 19:56.04 | jthomas | oh. ok so how do i point the system to dash? |
| 19:56.47 | valdyn | jthomas: 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow dash', if simple installing that package does not ask you |
| 19:57.11 | jthomas | hmm.. ok thanks *again!* |
| 19:57.15 | karsten | jthomas: Possibly. You're running a lot of shell scripts at boot, I'm really not aware of dash being markedly faster than bash, once the executable's been cached, most of that delta should be noise. |
| 19:57.17 | valdyn | jthomas: mind, dont expect to much from that hack, its just a bit faster |
| 19:57.29 | karsten | valdyn: You've benchmarked this? |
| 19:57.32 | jthomas | sure anything helps tho! |
| 19:57.53 | danraech | somebody can give me a recomendation for a scanner?, I will scan 600, 000 documents :-S, and I need a good scanner that can have a document output in PDF Format |
| 19:57.59 | karsten | jthomas: There's also "upstart" which is an init replacement Ubuntu uses, not available for Debian yet. |
| 19:58.18 | valdyn | karsten: no, and i would expect much less on an actually somewhat modern system.. but a p1 with so few ram.. |
| 19:58.28 | jthomas | i also saw this morning an article on initng, any thoughts there? |
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| 19:59.07 | karsten | jthomas: Another option is to try launching X sooner during boot. My experience has been that this doesn't work. It's normally a S99 script, scripts are run in ASCIbetical order numbered 01 - 99 |
| 19:59.15 | valdyn | jthomas: singnificantly faster, won't work nice without you fixing services manually |
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| 19:59.44 | jthomas | yeah, actually my current setup starts X in its .bash_profile after rungetty autologs in the user |
| 20:00.01 | jthomas | i should do it differently maybe? |
| 20:00.06 | valdyn | jthomas: that's funny |
| 20:00.09 | jthomas | oh? |
| 20:00.11 | jthomas | thanks! |
| 20:00.12 | valdyn | jthomas: yea you should use something like xdm |
| 20:00.15 | karsten | jthomas: You also want to see how much of boot time is in BIOS. You can sometimes skip BIOS HW inits/scans, particularly SCSI bus, for faster boot. I've got servers which take 5 minutes to get to GRUB. |
| 20:00.25 | jthomas | its my googling skillz at work i guess. it functions, so i used it. |
| 20:00.31 | karsten | jthomas: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=faster+debian+boot |
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| 20:00.42 | valdyn | jthomas: its not really bad for a single user system. |
| 20:00.57 | valdyn | jthomas: but its a hack for something that has nice solutions already |
| 20:01.03 | jthomas | but if i started X at S50 i might be a biut better off? |
| 20:01.09 | karsten | jthomas: ... unless you want to run just at console and find yourself running X when you don't want to. |
| 20:01.34 | karsten | jthomas: You can try that. It might break, just change it back to defaults in that case. Experiment with different values. |
| 20:01.45 | karsten | jthomas: I'd try 89 79 69 59 49, etc. |
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| 20:01.52 | jthomas | sure |
| 20:01.59 | \amethyst | I start gdm at 25 here |
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| 20:02.26 | abrotman | too bad initng is so flaky |
| 20:02.44 | valdyn | jthomas: i would consider a distro that is particularily for small systems like yours. |
| 20:02.44 | karsten | \amethyst: I've tried low values and found X borked, haven't retried lately, current uptime is 36 days, so it really doesn't matter that much. |
| 20:02.53 | karsten | jthomas: Getting swsusp working properly is a real bonus. |
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| 20:02.57 | thinkmassive | I just installed etch on an old thinkpad that needs a pcmcia ethernet card, and the card shows up under lsmod but the ethernet adapter does not. then under ifconfig I DO see the ethernet adapter with the static settings I specified but I have no network connection |
| 20:03.21 | valdyn | thinkmassive: lsmod just lists devices. Drivers are a totally independent matter |
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| 20:03.40 | valdyn | thinkmassive: ops, mindfart. lsmod lists no devices at all |
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| 20:04.07 | moshii | thinkmassive: is it pcmcia or cardbus? |
| 20:04.13 | thinkmassive | valdyn: heh thanks, so eth0 won't show up if it's pcmcia? |
| 20:04.15 | thinkmassive | pcmcia |
| 20:04.20 | moshii | thinkmassive: pcmcia - isa, cardbus - pci |
| 20:04.25 | jthomas | well i've looked into DSL and a few others (antiX) but they're all almost huge compaired to a minimal debian setup. |
| 20:04.34 | noesc|barbar | when I install ntp and adjtimex. Does the programs run automatic or do I have to configure it first and then start it? |
| 20:04.38 | valdyn | thinkmassive: lsmod lists no devices at all |
| 20:04.58 | jthomas | OK, so if I were to link startx (?) to S79 or whatever, does it run then in the background? |
| 20:05.18 | valdyn | jthomas: why dont you install xdm? |
| 20:05.28 | jthomas | because i don';t know what it is! :( |
| 20:05.36 | valdyn | !xdm |
| 20:05.36 | dpkg | i guess xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
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| 20:05.49 | moshii | thinkmassive: when you plug the card in you should see some output in dmesg about the card insertion and then maybe a driver claiming it |
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| 20:06.14 | jthomas | ok well i get that xdm is the x display manager, but what benefit does it have? |
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| 20:06.33 | xjkx | what package has the xorgcfg? |
| 20:06.38 | tzanger | good afternoon -- I know how to do this without the package manager (slackware user for 10 years) but I'm trying to do things in a way which keeps the debian subsystem happy... I have a pl2303 usb serial port that works in winxp on the box but not on Kubuntu (I know, not debian, bear with me) on the same box |
| 20:06.51 | tzanger | it reads spurious 0xff 0xfe 0xff.. transmitting's fine |
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| 20:06.54 | moshii | thinkmassive: if it's listed in ifconfig but not working you probably have a configuration problem rather than a non-working card/driver |
| 20:06.59 | ttuttle | Hey. |
| 20:07.01 | thinkmassive | hah, I unplugged the cable and plugged it back in, did ifdown, ifup and now it works |
| 20:07.05 | ttuttle | I must say, I'm very impressed with Debian so far. |
| 20:07.08 | thinkmassive | maybe the cable just sucks |
| 20:07.14 | tzanger | so anyway I was going to try and fix this. I can download and build kernels in my sleep, but I'm not sure how to go about it in a debian-friendly way |
| 20:07.24 | ttuttle | thinkmassive: Maybe you have a BOFH running your network, and he's unplugging and plugging your switch port to annoy you. |
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| 20:07.39 | tzanger | if I'm running a linux-image-2.6.20-16-lowlatency pckaged kernel, how do I grab the source that built that kernel and then compile it? |
| 20:07.45 | moshii | thinkmassive: or the PHY on the card is shit ;) |
| 20:07.48 | abrotman | tzanger: sadly .. we'll have to redirect you to #ubuntu |
| 20:07.58 | abrotman | tzanger: or #kernel or ##linux |
| 20:08.08 | valdyn | tzanger: that depends on where you got that kernel from |
| 20:08.09 | abrotman | tzanger: or you can install debian :) |
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| 20:08.30 | valdyn | tzanger: its certainly not from debian |
| 20:08.30 | tzanger | abrotman: ok, ubuntu's significantly different from debian in this respect? It's not the kernel compilation that's the hard part, it's trying to grab the source/patches/configuration that matches what I have now |
| 20:08.44 | valdyn | tzanger: why dont you ask in a ubuntu channel? |
| 20:08.47 | tzanger | valdyn: I know the kenrel is not... but I figured the method to generate packages is from debian, and that's what this is about :-) |
| 20:08.51 | tzanger | valdyn: I will, thanks |
| 20:08.55 | abrotman | tzanger: for an ubuntu compiled kernel yes .. |
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| 20:09.11 | moshii | tzanger: it doesn't matter if they're exactly the same, ubuntu isn't supported here |
| 20:09.15 | ttuttle | I'm having one problem though... I'm running Warsow, and it hangs when running the demo, and occasionally during the game. |
| 20:09.28 | abrotman | argh .. games! |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | ttuttle: the game hangs .. or X does ? |
| 20:10.24 | tzanger | fair enough, thanks guys |
| 20:10.25 | ttuttle | abrotman: Um, X, and then I can't switch consoles. |
| 20:10.29 | abrotman | !dbugs 435468 |
| 20:10.31 | ttuttle | abrotman: I can turn the computer off with the power button, though. |
| 20:10.32 | dpkg | DONE:#435468:N[warsow] warsow can't start without DRI; Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:54:04 UTC |
| 20:10.41 | abrotman | now .. i'm not an expert in games .. but doesn't DRI seem important there ? |
| 20:11.02 | ttuttle | abrotman: IT's not that. |
| 20:11.06 | xaque | do files in cron.d have to be executable |
| 20:11.07 | abrotman | ttuttle: look /var/log/Xorg.1.log (i think that's the name) |
| 20:11.19 | ttuttle | abrotman: Well, lemme check. Warsow did start. |
| 20:11.28 | moshii | ttuttle: instead of powering down, ssh in from somewhere :) |
| 20:11.33 | linuxtk10 | whats the lightest way to monitor bandwidth of ip 's ? |
| 20:11.34 | valdyn | xaque: they dont have to be, and they cant be run |
| 20:11.35 | ttuttle | moshii: Yeah, yeah. |
| 20:11.39 | linuxtk10 | an iptables idn of thing |
| 20:11.46 | linuxtk10 | or something like ipfm that uses pcap |
| 20:12.09 | moshii | linuxtk10: you mean measure throughput between host and clients? |
| 20:12.36 | linuxtk10 | i mean i have 15 ip's on my interface and i want to see how much each ip uses |
| 20:12.42 | ttuttle | linuxtk10: iptraf? |
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| 20:12.54 | moshii | ttuttle: your hardware could be getting hot, might not be a software problem |
| 20:13.09 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:13.10 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:13.11 | ttuttle | moshii: Well it was only on for a little while, and it hung both under Gentoo and Debian at the exact same point in the demo. |
| 20:13.17 | ttuttle | moshii: I think it's a bug in the graphics driver. |
| 20:13.28 | moshii | ttuttle: what chipset? |
| 20:13.49 | ttuttle | moshii: Intel 945GM. |
| 20:14.28 | moshii | ttuttle: probably not a bug, just that chip is slower than roadkill |
| 20:14.46 | ttuttle | moshii: Um, it did not behave like that. It hung, and I couldn't switch consoles, or kill X, or see anything. |
| 20:15.00 | abrotman | ttuttle: more than likely it's a bug in the driver |
| 20:15.12 | ttuttle | abrotman: Yeah... are there really new ones I can try? |
| 20:15.19 | linuxtk10 | ttuttle: yea i dont know im open to anything just the lightest thing |
| 20:15.23 | abrotman | ttuttle: you're using a fairly recently released version already |
| 20:15.44 | linuxtk10 | ttuttle: all i need is how much bandwidth nothing more so whatever can get it done in the lightest way |
| 20:15.58 | ttuttle | abrotman: hmm |
| 20:16.01 | abrotman | ttuttle: as nice as it is to have an intel card with free drivers, they still have issues |
| 20:16.07 | ttuttle | abrotman: Of course. |
| 20:16.13 | ttuttle | abrotman: But I get great battery life too ;-) |
| 20:16.15 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:16.43 | abrotman | ttuttle: you could try removing some of the effects in the game ? |
| 20:16.43 | moshii | The intel chips are fine for 2D.. |
| 20:16.53 | abrotman | moshii: and you can use them for most games |
| 20:16.55 | stiv2k | QUESTION: The 80 GB hard drive on my server is nearly full. I want to repartition it so I can put all of my media on one partition and the OS on another, instead of having everything on one partition. In order to do this, am I going to need a lot of free space for buffer/overhead or can I do it fine w/ gparted even if theres only 11 GB free space? |
| 20:17.29 | abrotman | ttuttle: when i was still a gamer .. i had a game where i had to kill 50% of the effects to get past one point in the game .. the rest of it worked fine |
| 20:17.33 | ttuttle | abrotman: They're all off, I think. |
| 20:17.34 | abrotman | (that was windows) |
| 20:17.41 | ttuttle | abrotman: How can I install a specific version of a package? |
| 20:17.44 | moshii | abrotman: I think I can actually render in software quicker than the i9something in this laptop can |
| 20:18.01 | \amethyst | stiv2k: you'll probably need at least as much free space as the size of smaller partition |
| 20:18.16 | abrotman | moshii: i don't render blender stuff anymore |
| 20:18.17 | stiv2k | \amethyst: i'm not quite followign you |
| 20:18.19 | \amethyst | stiv2k: since you'd be resizing the existing partition, creating a new empty one, and copying files over |
| 20:18.25 | stiv2k | \amethyst: oh i see |
| 20:18.38 | stiv2k | \amethyst: so it cant just move the mount point onto the new partition on the fly or soemthing |
| 20:18.42 | stiv2k | crap. |
| 20:18.43 | abrotman | moshii: actually .. i haven't done rendering since i was using a matrox card |
| 20:18.55 | stiv2k | Now i have to transfer some 58 GB of umm... "media" onto another machine |
| 20:18.57 | stiv2k | yippi |
| 20:19.00 | abrotman | media ? |
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| 20:19.05 | moshii | abrotman: I meant using the software GL render-er opposed to the DRI fancy shiny one |
| 20:19.05 | abrotman | erm .. "media" |
| 20:19.08 | stiv2k | hehe |
| 20:19.08 | \amethyst | stiv2k: do you have a spare you can plug in temporarily |
| 20:19.13 | stiv2k | \amethyst: nope |
| 20:19.16 | \amethyst | abrotman: porn and warez |
| 20:19.16 | abrotman | moshii: i'd have to see what you're rendering to comment |
| 20:19.24 | stiv2k | its mostly warez |
| 20:19.30 | stiv2k | no porn...yet :P |
| 20:19.38 | moshii | abrotman: glxgears benchmark time.. |
| 20:19.45 | \amethyst | if you're going to be serving warez, you need a bigger hard drive than 80GB :) |
| 20:19.46 | abrotman | moshii: i can play nexiuz on my laptop with an i855 or 830 .. and it's playable |
| 20:19.58 | stiv2k | \amethyst: erhm, i'm not serving it, it's for my LAN only |
| 20:20.12 | stiv2k | \amethyst: but yeah... i do need a bigger hard drive thats all i could come up with for now though |
| 20:20.15 | abrotman | stiv2k: get an external USB drive .. problem solved :) |
| 20:20.31 | stiv2k | yeah too bad i dont have the money to cough it up... college makes you poor :( |
| 20:20.38 | moshii | at least dual head works.. |
| 20:20.45 | stiv2k | i guess im just gonna have to plug in a cat5 onto this laptop and move it all here temporarily |
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| 20:20.55 | abrotman | stiv2k: borrow a friend's ? |
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| 20:21.05 | fas3r | hello every |
| 20:21.16 | abrotman | fas3r: no .. no radius help today! |
| 20:21.21 | fas3r | :p |
| 20:21.28 | fas3r | it's not for radius :p |
| 20:21.40 | fas3r | other thing ^^ |
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| 20:22.37 | fas3r | what the method for kill pid ? .. but my problem i have remove ( make clean ) and delete folder .. but the problem the proccess continu to run .. :) i have test with killall "name_of_process" but don't work |
| 20:23.00 | fas3r | maybe if i reboot it's ok |
| 20:23.05 | dutchfish | hi, i have alot of device under lvm2, 8 disks, i have just added an USB external disk (shows up in dmesg properly) how do i mount it, i mean /dev/what? |
| 20:23.13 | fas3r | but i don't want rebbot i haven't save my iptables rules .. |
| 20:23.22 | abrotman | kill -9 ? |
| 20:24.11 | moshii | dutchfish: mount /dev/sd?1 /mnt |
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| 20:24.22 | fas3r | thank a lot abrotman :p :p :p |
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| 20:24.38 | moshii | dutchfish: usb mass-storage devices are presented as scsi disks |
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| 20:25.29 | dutchfish | moshii, yes but what number, how can i find out i.e. doe sin dmesg this tell me the right number? scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 20:25.45 | \amethyst | dutchfish: look in /dev/disk/by-id |
| 20:26.20 | \amethyst | dutchfish: or /dev/disk/*-usb-* |
| 20:26.32 | moshii | dutchfish: you should see messages in dmesg about letting the device settle and then reading the partition table.. |
| 20:26.32 | \amethyst | dutchfish: err /dev/disk/by-path/*-usb-* |
| 20:27.16 | dutchfish | moshii, \amethyst i have 2 entrys: usb-HDS72251_6VLAT80_DEF10A79E313-part1 -> ../../sdd1 & usb-HDS72251_6VLAT80_DEF10A79E313-part2 -> ../../sdd2 |
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| 20:27.35 | moshii | dutchfish: could be either sdd1 or sdd2 then |
| 20:27.37 | \amethyst | dutchfish: those are the two partitions |
| 20:27.44 | moshii | dutchfish: looks like the ipod setup to me |
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| 20:28.04 | dutchfish | moshii, no its usb harddisk |
| 20:28.42 | dutchfish | moshii, i know for sure this should only contain 1 partition ext3 |
| 20:28.55 | Kaiten4 | Hi, does anyone know where to get the SVH4/5 rootkit? We are testing rootkit detecting tools in class, and I can't seem to find any. I would like to use SVH4/5 for it's popularity, but any will do. |
| 20:29.09 | moshii | dutchfish: maybe sdd1 is a logical partition container thing then |
| 20:29.16 | epsilon | debmirror anyone? I used "debmirror --nosource --host=debian.tu-bs.de --root=:debian --method=rsync --dist=etch --section=main,contrib,non-free --arch=i386 --getcontents --verbose /srv/mirror/debian" - my issue is, the Contents.arch.gz files aren't downloaded even I used --getcontents option. What did I do wrong? |
| 20:29.22 | moshii | dutchfish: with sdd2 inside it |
| 20:29.31 | dutchfish | moshii, can i savely try it to mount ro? |
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| 20:29.57 | Ast001 | good evening |
| 20:30.07 | moshii | dutchfish: are you going to chase me if it breaks? |
| 20:30.08 | dutchfish | moshii, yes, could be |
| 20:30.19 | dutchfish | moshii, nope |
| 20:30.33 | Ast001 | i still have sound problem with 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 20:30.38 | abrotman | Kaiten4: try efnet |
| 20:30.42 | moshii | dutchfish: in that case it'll be fine |
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| 20:31.08 | Ast001 | no sound that intel driver you told me yesterday did not help me |
| 20:31.10 | lindenl1 | anyone know how to prevent psql from opening a pager |
| 20:31.10 | dutchfish | moshii, i asked this because normally all my etch systems did automount it in /media/usb-xxxxx but bit this machine |
| 20:31.14 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: ok |
| 20:31.35 | moshii | dutchfish: it all links back to the same device nodes |
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| 20:32.13 | Grey_ | because windows is an unholy bastard, how do I restore grub? |
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| 20:33.38 | dutchfish | moshii, /dev/sdd2 did work (/dev/sdd1 could mount but was 0 bute partition) strange .... |
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| 20:34.19 | dutchfish | moshii, this is inside xen dom-0 |
| 20:34.39 | moshii | dutchfish: looks like sdd2 is a logical partition then, which is weird for a disk with one partition |
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| 20:35.02 | dutchfish | moshii, yup |
| 20:35.28 | dutchfish | moshii, it was created with etch RC1 back then |
| 20:35.33 | Noborusan | i love debian :) |
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| 20:35.59 | dutchfish | Noborusan, yes me too, if it does not break;) |
| 20:36.29 | moshii | I have worries about all the people announcing their love for debian here recently |
| 20:36.44 | \amethyst | moshii: paranoid? |
| 20:36.50 | dutchfish | thx, moshii & \amethyst for your help! |
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| 20:36.53 | \amethyst | moshii: or worried about September? |
| 20:37.15 | moshii | \amethyst: no, I'm worried debian is going to cheat on me. Only I can love her. |
| 20:37.17 | Noborusan | I just hope i dont need to upgrade kernel due to securty request |
| 20:37.22 | Grey_ | is there any way to boot a linux system from the windows boot select thing? |
| 20:37.47 | moshii | Grey_: Don't think so, you can load grub from the NT bootloader though |
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| 20:38.13 | Grey_ | :| |
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| 20:38.18 | Grey_ | I hate windows |
| 20:38.28 | Grey_ | <windows> MY MBR NOW MUAHAHAH |
| 20:38.40 | moshii | Grey_: if you want to get into you system to fix your bootloader.. |
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| 20:39.02 | Grey_ | I need fix it so I have GRUB again |
| 20:39.06 | Noborusan | Grey_, i like windows |
| 20:39.11 | Grey_ | I fucking hate it |
| 20:39.19 | Grey_ | its only on here because of the warentee |
| 20:39.31 | dutchfish | moshii, can i savely backup aquota & quota files? |
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| 20:39.42 | Kaiten4 | Grey_: do you have a live disk, or some other media to boot a unix like system? |
| 20:39.43 | adv3cate | Grey: have you learned about the grub shell? |
| 20:39.46 | moshii | Grey_: load any bootable linux cd and pass your rootfs as a kernel option |
| 20:40.02 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just bought a SanDisk U3 USB Key from the local hardware store. I installed Debian onto it and it boots fine - but after a few seconds it starts outputting some errors about being unable to access address 6, giving an error 71 or something. It then tries to remount the device as Read Only. Isn't it possible to use a U3 device for Debian ? |
| 20:40.05 | moshii | Grey_: or get a grub floppy, or use a shell from a d-i cd |
| 20:40.05 | Grey_ | Kaiten4, I have a ubuntu CD someplace |
| 20:40.17 | adv3cate | Grey: I'm assuming that you installed Linux and then installed Windows, and Windows overwrote the MBR? |
| 20:40.18 | Grey_ | Since when has a modern laptop had a floppy drive? :P |
| 20:40.19 | Trewas | Grey_: bootpart (a windows program) can add linux partition to w2k/xp bootloader, but I think that lilo/grub still needs to be in the partition the windows booloader points to |
| 20:40.29 | moshii | Grey_: lots of options |
| 20:40.31 | Noborusan | Grey_, can i msg you ? |
| 20:40.36 | Grey_ | go for it |
| 20:40.45 | moshii | dutchfish: no idea |
| 20:41.04 | Grey_ | I think I need to use uboobaloo to fix this. Atleast the liveCD comes in handy :P |
| 20:41.15 | dutchfish | moshii, i know in 5 min when those 160GB went through |
| 20:41.29 | Kaiten4 | Grey_: this what I do to restore grub MBR domain: boot live cd > mkdir /mnt/drive > mount /dev/xxxx /mnt/drive > chroot /mnt/drive > grub-install /dev/xxx > reboot |
| 20:41.29 | moshii | Trewas: you can start grub from the NT bootloader and go from there, but that isn't much help if he's nuked grub |
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| 20:42.42 | dino4k | since my last upgrade on a debian sid mashine today some apps are really unstable, especalliy evolution. Does anyone else have this? |
| 20:42.42 | Trewas | moshii: yeah |
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| 20:43.27 | Kaiten4 | dino4k: Sid = unstable |
| 20:43.33 | Kaiten4 | lol |
| 20:43.40 | dino4k | Kaiten4: i know... |
| 20:43.51 | dutchfish | dino4k, yup, i went back to lenny for this |
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| 20:44.27 | dino4k | dutchfish: ok. thanks :) Just wanted to know if its a 'known problem' or if its something local ;) |
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| 20:45.17 | dutchfish | dino4k, btw i regurlarly test sid under xen dom-U how its going, but lenny is promosing and i dont use sid that often anymore |
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| 20:46.36 | Rockj | on Debian Lenny, when using m-a a-i fglrx - it gives error about "FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops'" |
| 20:46.39 | Rockj | is that bad? |
| 20:47.21 | dutchfish | Jemt, i have tested U3 4gb stick, i had to remove the apps partition for that |
| 20:47.51 | dino4k | didnt know that there are autotests for license violations |
| 20:48.02 | ameyer | umm, as I understand it, there was a patch that went into 2.6.20 specifically designed to f*** non-GPL kernel modules |
| 20:48.12 | geo-rge | wait a minute... is the GPL now restricting what programmers can write by having GPL-only symbols?? |
| 20:48.19 | \amethyst | Rockj: either get kernel 2.6.22, or modify your kernel |
| 20:48.22 | ameyer | I know Ubuntu removed it for mental retardation reasons... |
| 20:48.37 | ameyer | (the patch was retarded, not Ubuntu) |
| 20:48.53 | dutchfish | Jemt, you also could blacklist the cdrom emulated part |
| 20:48.54 | Jemt | dutchfish: It only contained one partition and I removed it and made my own |
| 20:48.56 | \amethyst | geo-rge: that's something the kernel has done for a while... "these things give you such low-level hooks that in our opinion anything that uses them is a derived work" |
| 20:49.18 | Jemt | dutchfish: blacklist the cdrom emulated part ? What does that mean ? |
| 20:49.20 | Rockj | \amethyst: ahh. Oki. Ill build my own then, im going todo that anyway. Ill just do it now :-) |
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| 20:49.40 | geo-rge | \amethyst: what does ATI/AMD say about that? |
| 20:49.54 | ameyer | since that patch really didn't have any useful purpose |
| 20:49.56 | dutchfish | Jemt, the U3 smart sticks are 2 devices, 1 cdrom emulation & 1 usb mass storage device |
| 20:50.19 | Jemt | dutchfish: Oh, I see! How do I disable the CD-rom part ? |
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| 20:50.32 | \amethyst | geo-rge: I dunno what they say. In this case, the kernel developers opened up the interface in 2.6.22 |
| 20:51.03 | dutchfish | Jemt, hunt for it in dmesg wich one debian does automount in /media and blacklist the device. problem solved. |
| 20:51.12 | geo-rge | opened? meaning the hooks are no longer gpl-only? |
| 20:51.22 | Kaiten4 | Linux Genuine Advantage is free to use to limit the control you have of your computer! |
| 20:51.26 | geo-rge | or just made it available? |
| 20:51.48 | \amethyst | geo-rge: no longer GPL-only |
| 20:51.51 | Jemt | dutchfish: Blacklist? Simply remove it from /etc/fstab, right ? :) |
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| 20:52.04 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 20:52.11 | dutchfish | Jemt, not quiet, hold on i search for a link |
| 20:52.12 | Drk_Guy | Guys |
| 20:52.19 | Kaiten4 | Drk_Guy: |
| 20:52.20 | Jemt | dutchfish: Great, thanks :) |
| 20:52.30 | Drk_Guy | I want to switch from Ubuntu to Debian |
| 20:52.42 | Drk_Guy | Do i have to d/l all the cd ISO's? |
| 20:52.50 | geo-rge | no |
| 20:52.55 | moshii | Drk_Guy: Just the first disc is usually enough |
| 20:53.07 | \amethyst | Drk_Guy: just the netinst CD or CD1, if you'll have internet access when you install |
| 20:53.13 | Bajo | hi! I've just recompiled the kernel, but when X starts the monitor shuts down. I've looked thoroughly the graphics options in the kernel configuration, but I can't seem to find where the problem is. |
| 20:53.16 | geo-rge | and you don't even need that, given a good fast inet connection |
| 20:53.18 | Drk_Guy | I have the first 5 cd's |
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| 20:53.24 | Kaiten4 | Drk_Guy: or even just a ~200mb network boot, if you can get your network working off the cd |
| 20:53.26 | Drk_Guy | But they are so much cd's |
| 20:53.31 | geo-rge | then you have plenty to get started |
| 20:53.35 | \amethyst | Drk_Guy: more than enough :) you might not need to go onto the network at all |
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| 20:53.53 | \amethyst | Drk_Guy: the most popular a package is, the earlier the CD it is on |
| 20:53.57 | Drk_Guy | I just want to have the basic stuff |
| 20:54.01 | dutchfish | Jemt, something simulair like this: http://javier.rodriguez.org.mx/index.php/linux/debian-gnulinux-on-dell-d620/ |
| 20:54.07 | Kaiten4 | Drk_Guy: if you have fast internet just use apt to fetch all the programs you need online, instead of downloading and wasting cds |
| 20:54.11 | Jemt | dutchfish: Great, checking it out :) |
| 20:54.14 | geo-rge | do you have /home as a separate partition? |
| 20:54.15 | Drk_Guy | Yep |
| 20:54.20 | Drk_Guy | That's a cool idea |
| 20:54.24 | Drk_Guy | Thanks for the help |
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| 20:54.36 | Drk_Guy | I'll say bye-bye to Ubuntu!!! |
| 20:54.48 | Drk_Guy | No geo-rge |
| 20:54.52 | geo-rge | Kaiten4: he already has the first five cds :) |
| 20:55.11 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: then before you do anything, |
| 20:55.13 | Drk_Guy | But i usually back-up my home to one of my 4 NTFS partitions |
| 20:55.14 | Kaiten4 | Drk_Guy: good look. the testing distro of debian is very comparable to ubuntu, except not as dumbed down |
| 20:55.20 | geo-rge | back up /home |
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| 20:55.34 | Drk_Guy | Ubuntu is a N00B version of Debian, Right? |
| 20:55.44 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 20:55.44 | L0cKn | Drk_Guy: lol |
| 20:55.46 | Kaiten4 | Drk_Guy: You should have a seperate /home parition if you do a lot of distro hopping |
| 20:55.54 | Drk_Guy | Maybe |
| 20:56.07 | Kaiten4 | Ubuntu is ubuntu |
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| 20:56.11 | geo-rge | maybe? ok, let me ask you this |
| 20:56.13 | Drk_Guy | I've switched from: Ubuntu, PuppyLinux and DSL |
| 20:56.27 | Drk_Guy | Soon to be: Debian, Mandriva, CentOS... |
| 20:56.29 | geo-rge | do you want to keep things in /home or does it matter? |
| 20:56.36 | Kaiten4 | debian is debian, ubuntu is based off of it for first time linux users and simplicity, much of what debian has too |
| 20:56.41 | Drk_Guy | I usually back-it up |
| 20:56.45 | Drk_Guy | don't worry |
| 20:57.12 | moshii | Kaiten4: no ubuntu is for that bald chaps sexual pleasure |
| 20:57.21 | Drk_Guy | Anyways, as i think of it, Debian might have the same cmd's as Ubuntu |
| 20:57.27 | Drk_Guy | Right guys? |
| 20:57.49 | geo-rge | maybe not all of them, but most |
| 20:58.00 | Kaiten4 | moshii: and KY Jelly is debian |
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| 20:58.16 | moshii | Drk_Guy: To be honest, aside from packaging most of the Linux distros and BSD's are pretty close |
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| 20:58.31 | Drk_Guy | Yep |
| 20:58.44 | Drk_Guy | The GNU force is one, composed of tons |
| 20:59.06 | Kaiten4 | Drk_Guy: yes, linux = linux = linux, the only differences between the distros is how the pack and what they pack with them, there are some distro specific things, but not a lot, mostly package managers and scripts |
| 20:59.08 | moshii | Drk_Guy: and all the BSD stuff.. |
| 20:59.25 | Drk_Guy | Yep |
| 20:59.29 | geo-rge | one thing in debian there is less of: |
| 20:59.42 | geo-rge | guis for stuff you can edit a text file for |
| 20:59.45 | Drk_Guy | Thx guys, getting help here is REALLY FASTER than in #Ubuntu |
| 20:59.50 | moshii | geo-rge: splashscreens too |
| 20:59.55 | Drk_Guy | #Ubuntu is filled up of N00BS |
| 21:00.09 | Noborusan | Drk_Guy, haha |
| 21:00.16 | Kaiten4 | let's just go crucify shuttleworth right now! |
| 21:00.21 | Drk_Guy | Yeah, it's real! |
| 21:00.23 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: don't underestimate them... |
| 21:00.29 | Kaiten4 | LOL |
| 21:00.43 | Noborusan | geo-rge, haha :) true. |
| 21:00.46 | ameyer | #ubuntu does have a n00b infestation |
| 21:00.49 | Kaiten4 | Drk_Guy: will serve as iscariot |
| 21:00.54 | Drk_Guy | Maybe you're right geo-rge , but that channel is filled up with Dumb qiuestions |
| 21:00.54 | geo-rge | if you explain a problem to them well enough, even a beginner could be able to help a little |
| 21:00.59 | ameyer | and it comes at you so hard and fast... |
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| 21:01.01 | Drk_Guy | lol |
| 21:01.25 | Drk_Guy | Hey.... |
| 21:01.32 | Drk_Guy | Nautilus is acting weird |
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| 21:01.38 | rga | Hello |
| 21:01.39 | ameyer | there's like 1000 people in there, all asking questions at the saame time... |
| 21:01.50 | Drk_Guy | Le'mme ask somethign there |
| 21:01.54 | Drk_Guy | I'll brb |
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| 21:02.25 | NicNac | hey everyone |
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| 21:03.25 | Kaiten4 | Howdy |
| 21:03.49 | ghatak | syslog.conf has *.* for syslog and then has *.kern for kern.log, i am wondering is that right ? would'nt syslog also catch all kern.log stuff ? |
| 21:04.35 | Drk_Guy | D'oh men |
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| 21:04.51 | Drk_Guy | So much dumb questions flooding up that channel!!!!! |
| 21:04.58 | Drk_Guy | My head is going to blow!!!!! |
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| 21:08.28 | Drk_Guy | Ok |
| 21:08.28 | Drk_Guy | Fixed my pendrive prob myself |
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| 21:08.28 | Drk_Guy | Expect me here in two days guys!!!!! |
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| 21:08.48 | P-K | After upgrading my bind it no longer starts as user bind. It runs as root instead. Any ideas on fixing this? |
| 21:08.58 | Drk_Guy | Hey, does Debian really uses SwiftFox? |
| 21:09.09 | rga | someone uses clusterssh? |
| 21:09.20 | geo-rge | Drk_Guy: note that there are also the mailing lists; you can look at http://lists.debian.org for more info |
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| 21:09.33 | Drk_Guy | Thx d00d |
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| 21:09.53 | Kaiten4 | hmm... pan crashes in testing when I try to open an attachment with tits :/ |
| 21:10.16 | ameyer | umm, try not to look at porn then |
| 21:10.18 | geo-rge | don't use your tits,,, use a mouse |
| 21:10.24 | ameyer | at least, not straight porn |
| 21:10.44 | Kaiten4 | don't tell my gf |
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| 21:11.16 | geo-rge | there is a reason it's called "testing' :) |
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| 21:11.19 | ameyer | and half the stuff on usenet is too close to underage for comfort in my experience... |
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| 21:11.39 | xjkx | Whats that command to show if i have support to xgl ? |
| 21:11.50 | ]pablo[ | can anyone hint me why my sound isn't working? i'm using alsa |
| 21:12.12 | Kaiten4 | ]pablo[: muted? |
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| 21:12.22 | geo-rge | ]pablo[: not until you get sicco about it (/msg dpkg sicco) |
| 21:12.56 | geo-rge | "Heyy d00dz! my computer isn't working! someone tell me why!" |
| 21:12.59 | Kaiten4 | ameyer: eh, well nothing seems to work on pan... I intend on borrowing music with it. I love sample tracks. |
| 21:13.04 | simonrvn | ]pablo[: go see #mindreaders |
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| 21:13.22 | ]pablo[ | you're such a funny guy simonrvn |
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| 21:13.31 | ttuttle | Hey. |
| 21:13.33 | Kaiten4 | ]pablo[: try alsaconf |
| 21:13.39 | ]pablo[ | Kaiten4, checked all alsaguimixer, so cant be muted |
| 21:14.05 | ]pablo[ | Kaiten4, no such command or package |
| 21:14.16 | ttuttle | I'm running testing, and I'm having a problem with a 3D game. How can I downgrade my graphics driver (xserver-xorg-video-intel) to 1.7.4? |
| 21:14.22 | Kaiten4 | ]pablo[: apt-get install alsa-tools |
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| 21:14.29 | ttuttle | I tried simply "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel=1.7.4", but it doesn't have it. |
| 21:14.46 | jthomas | valdyn: i am looking into XDM a bit; does it allow for auto-login? |
| 21:14.48 | simonrvn | need to use snapshot.debian.net |
| 21:14.51 | vn | hi, how can I get my local emails sent to my local user to some mailbox? I have an user vn and some logs are sent locally and I rarely check this mailbox and I'd like it to send the mails to my hosted email (on the same server) |
| 21:14.53 | geo-rge | ]pablo[: more serious than you might imagine... we can't help until you get specific |
| 21:14.53 | Kaiten4 | brb |
| 21:14.59 | simonrvn | ttuttle: i'll get you an example source |
| 21:15.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | ttuttle: Download packages from packages.debian.org? |
| 21:15.40 | ttuttle | Dark_Apostrophe: Hmm... |
| 21:15.41 | simonrvn | ttuttle: deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool initramfs-tools\ndeb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool initramfs-tools |
| 21:15.53 | xjkx | why it happens on glxinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/672776 |
| 21:15.54 | mbroeker | vn, either procmail and the local /etc/aliases mechanism could help you |
| 21:15.57 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: that won't work. it'll be removed from there |
| 21:16.03 | \amethyst | P-K: make sure the OPTIONS in /etc/default/bind9 contain -u bind and make sure user bind can read all the files in /etc/bind/, then restart it |
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| 21:16.07 | vn | mbroeker: thanks, I'm giving it a look |
| 21:16.09 | ]pablo[ | geo-rge, i can watch youtube videos fine, just without sounds for example |
| 21:16.12 | babilen | vn: maybe an alias will in /etc/aliases will help you? |
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| 21:16.29 | simonrvn | ttuttle: substitute the 'initramfs-tools' for the source package for that driver (probably xorg or such) |
| 21:16.37 | ttuttle | simonrvn: Okay. |
| 21:16.39 | geo-rge | ]pablo[: has your sound card (or what is it?) ever worked? |
| 21:16.51 | ]pablo[ | yeah, worked with etch |
| 21:16.58 | geo-rge | what kernel? |
| 21:17.03 | ]pablo[ | 2.6.18 |
| 21:17.09 | Kaiten4 | sound hasn't worked in default debian for me for years |
| 21:17.12 | geo-rge | the working one, right? |
| 21:17.17 | ]pablo[ | but i fresh installed with a 2.6.22 |
| 21:17.19 | dondelelcaro | ]pablo[: do you have the oss emulation loaded? |
| 21:17.22 | Kaiten4 | with an ac97 card, I always had to run alsaconf |
| 21:17.27 | ]pablo[ | yeah, 2.6.18 was the working one |
| 21:17.41 | ]pablo[ | dondelelcaro, hmm not sure how to check that.. |
| 21:17.45 | dondelelcaro | you don't need to run alsaconf at all, actually. |
| 21:17.47 | geo-rge | ]pablo[: probably you have to configure for your card again |
| 21:17.49 | simonrvn | ttuttle: which it seems to be, xserver-xorg-video-intel ;) |
| 21:17.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kaiten4: Stop using this sound card: http://www.kroah.com/log/images/ols_2006_keynote_11.jpg |
| 21:17.55 | snowbird | i took of art and also worked better |
| 21:17.58 | ]pablo[ | Kaiten4, alsaconf command is nowhere to be found after installing alsa-tools |
| 21:18.06 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: because it runs on every boot? |
| 21:18.11 | Kaiten4 | ]pablo[: well that sucks |
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| 21:18.23 | ttuttle | simonrvn: Yeah, except the newest version of that requires a newer Xorg server, but that isn't available from that server. |
| 21:18.23 | dondelelcaro | ]pablo[: lsmod|grep oss; you should see snd_mixer_oss, snd_seq_oss, and snd_pcm_oss; |
| 21:18.42 | ]pablo[ | yeah i do see them |
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| 21:18.58 | P-K | \amethyst: That was it! Thanks. |
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| 21:19.01 | simonrvn | ttuttle: this is why you select the older one you got from snapshot.d.n in aptitude |
| 21:19.10 | geo-rge | when you run alsamixer, does it say which sound chipset you have? |
| 21:19.16 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: no, you shouldn't have to run it at all; you just need to make sure the right modules get loaded (which udev should do) and make sure you've got the levels set correctly, which alsa-utils should be doing. |
| 21:19.22 | \amethyst | P-K: look at "Running as Non-Root" in /usr/share/doc/bind9/README.Debian |
| 21:19.25 | ttuttle | simonrvn: Okay. |
| 21:19.55 | ]pablo[ | HDA nVidia |
| 21:20.00 | ]pablo[ | theres another mixer for oss though |
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| 21:20.07 | simonrvn | ttuttle: after the update, you'll see different versions listed for that package, just select the just previous one |
| 21:20.24 | P-K | \amethyst: It's weird that it was working fine before and the upgrade b0rked it. Thanks again. |
| 21:20.26 | geo-rge | ]pablo[: that's the sound card on your motherboard? |
| 21:20.29 | vn | uhm sounds like /etc/aliases is for local users only...I wanna change the vn@localhost to something like vn@mydomain.com |
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| 21:20.53 | simonrvn | ttuttle: you don't want to fuck with the version too much otherwise you can get other problems |
| 21:21.05 | babilen | vn: have a look at procmail then. it allows for arbitrary actons on incoming mail |
| 21:21.12 | simonrvn | damn |
| 21:21.28 | simonrvn | well, he'll be back if it doesn't work ;) |
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| 21:21.36 | ]pablo[ | geo-rge, yeah it's the one i got |
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| 21:21.46 | vn | well..I'm not sure where to look |
| 21:21.57 | ]pablo[ | geo-rge, 00:06.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 21:22.05 | geo-rge | so your sound "card" is on your motherboard? |
| 21:22.18 | ]pablo[ | yeah. |
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| 21:22.36 | geo-rge | and you do not have another card plugged into the motherbpard? |
| 21:22.44 | jthomas | if I wanted to autostart X, would I link with /etc/init.d/x11-common ? or with something else? |
| 21:22.44 | geo-rge | sound card that is |
| 21:22.46 | ]pablo[ | no, it's integrated |
| 21:23.06 | babilen | vn: install procmail and have a look at /usr/share/doc/procmail or google for a tutorial |
| 21:23.14 | geo-rge | do you have a pair of headphones? |
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| 21:23.18 | ]pablo[ | it's odd that it did work with etch but isn't working right now. it might be a configuration problem |
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| 21:23.22 | ]pablo[ | no headphones |
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| 21:23.31 | mseng | regarding the dpkg, what are the "_default" factoids about? |
| 21:23.54 | mseng | regarding the dpkg bot, ... |
| 21:24.00 | geo-rge | second set of speakers? |
| 21:24.12 | vn | babilen: I have qmail installed |
| 21:24.14 | ]pablo[ | hmm |
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| 21:24.30 | ]pablo[ | the only thing i can think of, is that i pluged it in the front connectors instead in the back |
| 21:24.34 | ]pablo[ | the speakers i mean |
| 21:24.38 | ]pablo[ | but should work regardless |
| 21:24.39 | geo-rge | from what you say, it's unlikely that it's something wrong woth your speakers |
| 21:24.58 | vn | but I have no idea what system is used for local mails... I used to have sendmail exim and procmail...now it's qmail but I'm not sure if the others are still working |
| 21:25.07 | simonrvn | checked the mixer levels yet? ;) |
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| 21:25.18 | geo-rge | but from my standpoint there's not much left to try |
| 21:25.29 | babilen | vn: procmail will not replace qmail, it will just take the mail from qmail and process it before delivery |
| 21:25.30 | ]pablo[ | simonrvn, sure.. |
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| 21:25.44 | \amethyst | vn: ls -l /usr/lib/sendmail whatever it's a link to is your MTA |
| 21:25.51 | simonrvn | not muted or anything? |
| 21:25.53 | vn | babilen: actually I want the local mail to be delivered to qmail..hehe |
| 21:26.04 | simonrvn | (gotta check, if you have already, my bad) |
| 21:26.16 | ]pablo[ | yeah its all unmuted |
| 21:26.21 | vn | ok, it's exim handling that |
| 21:26.39 | vn | exim4 actually |
| 21:26.51 | \amethyst | vn: also sudo netstat -puntl | grep :25 # look at the very end of the line, that is what is listening on port 25 |
| 21:27.21 | babilen | vn: yepp. i just thought that a plain .forward file containing the email you want your mail to be forwarded to might do the trick... |
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| 21:27.49 | vn | 2877/tcpserver |
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| 21:28.05 | vn | thats uhm...very precise :p |
| 21:28.13 | vn | babilen: ok, lets try that |
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| 21:28.26 | babilen | vn: exim needs to be configured to send your mail to a smtp server of your choice though |
| 21:28.28 | Bajo | I've recompiled the kernel but, when I start X, my monitor doesn't work any more... what should I do? I don't know where to look |
| 21:28.39 | Ebbs | hi! I've got a strange bug... Maybe you know from it, I didnt find sth. in google. If I configure my WLAN (WPA), in iwconfig the last character of ESSID is missing (LINKSY, not LINKSYS). How can I fix this? |
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| 21:29.32 | ]pablo[ | meh |
| 21:29.33 | nanook3 | how do I tell if the cd drive is writable or not ? |
| 21:29.40 | ]pablo[ | the back plugs work for the speakers |
| 21:29.42 | nanook3 | what 's the command to do that ? |
| 21:29.43 | ]pablo[ | but not the front ones |
| 21:30.02 | babilen | vn: just dpkg-reconfigure exim, use send mail by smarthost, received by smtp/fetchmail |
| 21:30.02 | xjkx | why it happens on glxinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/672776 |
| 21:30.08 | jthomas | if I wanted to autostart X, would I link with /etc/init.d/x11-common ? or with something else? |
| 21:30.08 | nanook3 | when I play music a very high sharp tone is produced in the speakers |
| 21:30.19 | nanook3 | and no sound comes out except for this deafining tone |
| 21:30.37 | nanook3 | linux sux |
| 21:30.42 | nanook3 | can't even handle audio card |
| 21:31.09 | bolt | I postulate that in the future, all computing will be done by tossing angry gophers at passerbys! |
| 21:31.12 | nanook3 | how do I tell if the cd drive is writable or not ? |
| 21:31.19 | vn | babilen: thank you very much im taking note of all this, gotta go |
| 21:31.22 | babilen | vn: edit /etc/email-addresses and /etc/exim4/passwd.client to your needs |
| 21:31.39 | babilen | vn: np. hope it works out |
| 21:31.59 | vn | thanks again. |
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| 21:32.51 | Ebbs | Anyone who knows about this bug? Im using a ipw3945. |
| 21:32.58 | ttuttle | OH MY GOD SUSPEND WORKS OUT OF THE BOX DEBIAN ROCKS! Sorry for the caps. |
| 21:33.10 | cloakable | :) |
| 21:33.18 | ttuttle | s/SUSPEND/HIBERNATE/; |
| 21:33.29 | ttuttle | Suspend (i.e. S1, not S3) doesn't work, though. |
| 21:33.35 | NicNac | of course Debian rocks |
| 21:33.49 | ]pablo[ | thanks for the help btw |
| 21:33.52 | bolt | nanook3: nobody is going to answer you unless you're polite, AND ask your question on a single line. also, saying linux sux because you can't configure your soundcard correctly is not a very intelligent statement and doesn't make people want to help you. |
| 21:34.03 | geo-rge | the command is: loo kat dayman ule |
| 21:34.33 | geo-rge | just say it fast, you'll get it :) |
| 21:35.19 | bolt | geo-rge: don't get your hopes up |
| 21:35.46 | nanook3 | bolt: fuck your religion, your mother and daughter if you got one |
| 21:35.58 | nanook3 | bolt: i'd love to ram my cock into your daughter if you got one |
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| 21:36.09 | Zomb | bolt: depends. Sometimes there are too many obstacles where it could be made much easier. |
| 21:36.20 | Zomb | and that's where linux sucks |
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| 21:36.26 | bolt | Zomb: I think he just proved my point, though |
| 21:36.50 | PriceChild | Zomb, those obstacles are normally features ;) |
| 21:37.28 | alex^^ | anyone use mailgraph? |
| 21:37.55 | ]pablo[ | nanook3, the best part about linux is that it actually does what you tell it to do, maybe you're the one that "can't even handle an audio card", and not linux |
| 21:38.07 | bolt | nanook3: I'd love to see my daughter, who happens to be a martial arts expert, kick your ass and ram you with a strap-on |
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| 21:38.39 | nanook3 | bolt: that means your daughter must be a servicewoman in Iraq, I rape those for fun before dinners |
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| 21:39.04 | noesc|barbar | Whats the command to check the ip configuration in a shell? |
| 21:39.11 | nanook3 | ifconfig |
| 21:39.16 | nanook3 | ifup ifdown |
| 21:39.22 | nanook3 | also check out /etc/host* files |
| 21:39.34 | noesc|barbar | hmm I thought so.. but ifconfig wont work :/ |
| 21:39.41 | ]pablo[ | ifconfig -a |
| 21:39.43 | ]pablo[ | try |
| 21:39.55 | noesc|barbar | Command not found |
| 21:40.02 | noesc|barbar | :/ |
| 21:40.18 | nanook3 | what's the command to find out if my cd drive is writable |
| 21:40.20 | babilen | noesc|barbar: try running it as root |
| 21:40.28 | ttuttle | Er... |
| 21:40.29 | nanook3 | yeah good idea |
| 21:40.32 | ]pablo[ | heh yaeh |
| 21:40.33 | nanook3 | what's the command to find out if my cd drive is writable ????? |
| 21:40.35 | babilen | nanook3: a drive can't be writable |
| 21:40.43 | ttuttle | Are there ops in here? |
| 21:40.49 | nanook3 | don't mmince words with me |
| 21:40.51 | nanook3 | you know what i mean |
| 21:40.52 | noesc|barbar | DOH! :P I forgot that I quited before. Thought I still was logged in as root |
| 21:40.53 | noesc|barbar | :D |
| 21:40.54 | bolt | nanook3: nobody's going to tell you. read the manual |
| 21:41.19 | nanook3 | bolt: fuck you you american christian zionist capitalist target practice |
| 21:41.26 | dbldtx | OT |
| 21:41.26 | babilen | noesc|barbar: and? working as root? |
| 21:41.33 | bolt | nanook3: try a /whois |
| 21:41.34 | dbldtx | ttuttle; some ops more like bots |
| 21:41.45 | dbldtx | !tell ttuttle about dpkg |
| 21:41.54 | nanook3 | bolt: you try it |
| 21:41.55 | noesc|barbar | babilen - ofcourse :D |
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| 21:42.10 | ttuttle | dbldtx: Sorry, I was lagged, and was reading nanook3's comments earlier. |
| 21:42.20 | jthomas | nanook3: cool it man |
| 21:42.22 | bolt | nanook3: already have |
| 21:42.22 | dbldtx | ttuttle, if you have problems just ask |
| 21:42.24 | dbldtx | !ask |
| 21:42.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:42.29 | dbldtx | Anybody would be sure to help anytime |
| 21:42.33 | nanook3 | bolt: ok. i sincerely apologize to you. fuck you you norwegian christian zionist capitalist target practice |
| 21:42.35 | dbldtx | also check out irc.debian.org #debian |
| 21:42.38 | jthomas | nanook3: why don't you LOOK at the CD drive, it generally says if it is writable |
| 21:42.46 | dkr | nanook3: he was letting you know he is from norway, so your american zionist insult is even more silly than it already was. :) |
| 21:42.51 | nanook3 | no one , but no one should be called an American, if they aren't. |
| 21:43.04 | nanook3 | dkr: i already replied to that |
| 21:43.17 | nanook3 | i apologized to him |
| 21:43.23 | nanook3 | sincerely |
| 21:43.36 | dkr | nanook3: it's not appropriate to insult people here, regardless of alleged apologies |
| 21:43.42 | jthomas | no kidding |
| 21:43.47 | nanook3 | so what you gonna do about it ? |
| 21:43.50 | nanook3 | hack my linux ?/ |
| 21:43.50 | dbldtx | You're taking it so far; OT you guys pm each other |
| 21:43.52 | jthomas | ignore you |
| 21:43.53 | noesc|barbar | How to see what MAC-adress the card has? Did not get it with ifconfig -a |
| 21:44.10 | dondelelcaro | noesc|barbar: HWaddr 00:06:5B:87:2B:C1 <-- mac address. |
| 21:44.14 | nanook3 | as long as you can't hurt me i can do what i want, IF and ONLY IF you can hurt, I'll suck your dick |
| 21:44.14 | bolt | nanook3: what are you hoping to achieve by talking like that? most people in here are above that kind of sillyness. read the manual or ask a proper question. |
| 21:44.16 | geo-rge | nanook3: there's a reason why to bother? |
| 21:44.25 | nanook3 | these are the muslim manners that I was raised on |
| 21:44.29 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:44.30 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@196.218.187.147] by dondelelcaro |
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| 21:44.44 | jthomas | thanks! |
| 21:45.07 | ]pablo[ | wonder how old that guy is |
| 21:45.11 | geo-rge | yeah, thanks... for a second there, I thougt I'd have to learn how to /ignore... |
| 21:45.15 | valdyn | !ops nanook3 |
| 21:45.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: valdyn complains about: nanook3 |
| 21:45.22 | bolt | valdyn: too late :) |
| 21:45.23 | kspath_ | dondelelcaro++ |
| 21:45.33 | bolt | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 21:45.36 | valdyn | yay |
| 21:45.41 | noesc|barbar | dondelelcaro - I forgot :P My cabel-network on my laptop has eth1 and I was reading on that one :P |
| 21:46.03 | noesc|barbar | And it's my "server" I'm working on |
| 21:46.11 | noesc|barbar | Thanks |
| 21:46.14 | dbldtx | laptop servers hide |
| 21:46.22 | jthomas | if I wanted to autostart X, would I link with /etc/init.d/x11-common ? or with something else? |
| 21:46.38 | Zomb | jthomas: explain "autostart" |
| 21:46.44 | ]pablo[ | anyone using an amd64 here? |
| 21:46.47 | ttuttle | ]pablo[: yes |
| 21:46.53 | dondelelcaro | ]pablo[: people are, best to just ask your question. |
| 21:46.53 | azeem | !anyone |
| 21:46.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:46.57 | dbldtx | ]p[: yes |
| 21:47.13 | geo-rge | ]pablo[: haven't finished building it yet |
| 21:47.16 | dondelelcaro | jthomas: the only valid reason for starting X automatically (outside of using a DM) is for kiosks, and there you generally want to start it using the inittab. |
| 21:47.16 | jthomas | ok Zomb, I want X to start at runlevel 2 when I boot the computer |
| 21:47.16 | ]pablo[ | do you also get that kernel panic when you try to install debian? forcing you to use noapic |
| 21:47.28 | Zomb | !tell jthomas about xdm |
| 21:47.54 | DustyDingo | i just got an idear, is it possible to change aterms properties, while the process is running through x-resources? |
| 21:47.56 | ttuttle | WOW! Multimedia keys work too! |
| 21:48.02 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: no |
| 21:48.06 | jthomas | dondelelcaro and Zomb: I don't know about XDM, but basically it would be like a kiosk... I wnat a photofram to show images as soon as its done booting, no users really |
| 21:48.22 | DustyDingo | dondelelcaro: *grml* |
| 21:48.44 | Zomb | jthomas: then hack su -c "startx" somestupiduseraccount into some init script |
| 21:48.44 | dondelelcaro | jthomas: yeah, then it's a kiosk, and you want to start X in inittab with a specific session which runs feh or whatever to show images. |
| 21:48.52 | DustyDingo | i wanted to get a dark red background when i get a root shell in an aterm |
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| 21:49.18 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: aterm may have escape commands to change that |
| 21:49.20 | jthomas | xdm doesn't seem to be anything special, am I wrong here? its been mentioned a lot... |
| 21:49.32 | DustyDingo | ok, i still can get the properties of the active window in aterm, clone, kill, set background, execute su :) |
| 21:49.37 | dondelelcaro | DustyDingo: it's not that you couldn't possibly change it somehow, but just that X resources won't do it |
| 21:49.42 | ]pablo[ | would you use the amd64 of debian? i'm not sure if all the packages are updated so quick to that architecture |
| 21:49.50 | Zomb | jthomas: you can configure kdm to do passwordless logins, too |
| 21:49.59 | puff | Not sure if this is a debian question or an apache question. Debian 4.0, apache 2, the web server is responding but nothing shows up in /var/log/apache2/access.log, timestamp on the five is five hours old. |
| 21:50.05 | dondelelcaro | ]pablo[: they're autobuilt within 24 hours in most cases, often faster. |
| 21:50.16 | peterS | ]pablo[: amd64 is fully supported. the only things not supported on amd64 are, in general, non-free software that we do not have the ability to recompile at all |
| 21:50.17 | hardcampa_ | amd64 works great here |
| 21:50.18 | jthomas | dondelelcaro: how would i enter the password for that su -c command? |
| 21:50.20 | dondelelcaro | ]pablo[: all architectures of Debian have almost exactly the same set of packages at the same versions |
| 21:50.24 | dondelelcaro | jthomas: you wouldn't. |
| 21:50.27 | jthomas | this is a photoframe, no keybd, no mouse... |
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| 21:50.45 | dondelelcaro | jthomas: you'd have an inittab that ran su - foouser startx; or similar. |
| 21:50.49 | Zomb | jthomas: if you are root (and init usually runs at it) then you don't need to |
| 21:50.54 | puff | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart causes some lines in the error log, because the RSA cert doesn't match the server name, and but that's it. |
| 21:51.05 | dbldtx | So with xdm, I could uninstall gdm and use xfce? |
| 21:51.09 | jthomas | oh, duh me. thanks. |
| 21:51.12 | ]pablo[ | hmm, i'll give it a try.. would love to solve that "noapic" problem at the start of the installation though but i think there's no solution yet.. they didn't fix it in lenny yet |
| 21:51.16 | dbldtx | kicker; and still have a graphical login? |
| 21:51.19 | ]pablo[ | thanks |
| 21:51.19 | dondelelcaro | dbldtx: if you wanted, yes. |
| 21:51.25 | Zomb | jthomas: I would use kdm, though |
| 21:51.34 | dbldtx | that sounds swell; I'll try it now, thanks! |
| 21:51.38 | jthomas | Zomb: so would I, if it weren't a pentium 1... |
| 21:52.17 | puff | I created a test file with the touch command, then relodaed the page, then did "sudo find / -newer testfile", that turned up a bunch of modified /proc and /sys files, but other than that the only files modified were /var/log/auth and /var/log/run. |
| 21:52.21 | Zomb | well, how does suspend-to-disk perform on pentium1 nowadays? |
| 21:52.33 | pipeline_ | Zomb: You'll be limited by I/O. |
| 21:52.44 | pipeline_ | dbldtx: Sure, but GDM is a lot nicer than XDM. |
| 21:52.54 | Zomb | pipeline_: *spew* |
| 21:53.01 | jthomas | Zomb: no idea! but why would I suspend it? |
| 21:53.03 | dondelelcaro | for values of niceness that include being larger and more buggy |
| 21:53.13 | pipeline_ | dondelelcaro: less unpleasant configuration files |
| 21:53.14 | Zomb | jthomas: maybe faster booting? |
| 21:53.27 | dondelelcaro | pipeline_: there's really no configuration needed for xdm |
| 21:53.28 | Zomb | jthomas: why do you mention pentium1 othewise? |
| 21:53.33 | dbldtx | pipeline_: duely noted i <3debian |
| 21:53.33 | pipeline_ | dondelelcaro: so yes, that does include larger and more buggy :D |
| 21:54.01 | jthomas | Zomb: hmm good point, but that means I'd have to shut it down some how. No keybd, no mouse, no real case for a 'reset' button... just the innards of a laptop glued to the back of the screen... |
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| 21:54.32 | jthomas | Zomb: because I am making a photo slideshow thing in a frame, and the hardware Ihave is an old pent1 laptop |
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| 21:57.12 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 21:57.25 | neophiteHawk | good morning |
| 21:57.36 | dbldtx | hallo |
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| 21:59.09 | jthomas | ok, so now that I get the init.d script idea, I gotta ask: how does a debian box USUALLY get to XDM/KDM/GDM? |
| 21:59.26 | jthomas | like, say for Mepis or something that is designed for the desktop |
| 21:59.48 | valdyn | jthomas: the same way as mepis, via the init script |
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| 22:00.37 | jthomas | valdyn: thats what i am asking! which init script? what does it link to? I cannot imagine that each distro rewrites the init scrip |
| 22:01.00 | valdyn | jthomas: "/etc/init.d/xdm start" |
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| 22:02.18 | NicNac | whats a good budget am2 motherboard? |
| 22:02.20 | jthomas | OK, so there has to be a login manager installed, and that is what is called? |
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| 22:02.51 | valdyn | !xdm |
| 22:02.51 | dpkg | i guess xdm is the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
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| 22:04.27 | the_real_maniac_ | hi all , aaa little bit of a strange question, but ... does someone here want to try the Multiplayer of btanks (open-source game avaible both for Linux and Windows ;-) ) |
| 22:04.34 | jthomas | yeah i saw that already. Sorry if my comprehension of this isn't as strong as it will be someday, but I still don't get it today. |
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| 22:04.40 | the_real_maniac_ | it is a small game ? |
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| 22:05.09 | valdyn | jthomas: xdm is a debian package like any other debian package. Each package comes with a description |
| 22:05.26 | neophiteHawk | just one question =) |
| 22:05.26 | neophiteHawk | I wanna use the newest version of pidgin, but can't find it on the Downloadsite...do I have to compile the source, just to use it? |
| 22:05.38 | the_real_maniac_ | if someone does please /msg me ;-) because i test the game it is ok, but i'm interested to see the multiplayer option :) |
| 22:05.43 | jthomas | sure, but that doesn't answer the question. Its a login manager, but does installing that also install the start script? |
| 22:05.56 | juso | Some advise: Hosting a 24/7 application, we have inhouse servers over a t1 an a few remote servers in a hosting company. Whats a good way to setup a good failover system, enter in low ttl records, do some heartbeat checking and update DNS to failover server, when needed? |
| 22:06.04 | ]pablo[ | neophiteHawk, apt-get install pidgin isn't working? |
| 22:06.14 | valdyn | jthomas: it does. |
| 22:06.15 | jthomas | or is that script written by hand, every time someone installs debian? |
| 22:06.18 | jthomas | ok thanks. |
| 22:06.28 | jthomas | well i'll look into it, thanks all for the help. going home for the day, to play with this. |
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| 22:07.56 | neophiteHawk | ]pablo[: hehe sry I forget to check the repos =) lol |
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| 22:09.10 | ]pablo[ | :) |
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| 22:09.27 | fas3r | re everybody |
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| 22:13.39 | Strings | when I SFTP into my box, how do I get the download speed to be faster |
| 22:13.57 | Strings | considering i have a 20mbit connection and the box is 100mbit |
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| 22:18.32 | lindenl1 | is there anyone out there that has gotten the full version of acrobat running in wine? |
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| 22:18.52 | streuner | no |
| 22:19.06 | Strings | So do I make SFTP upload faster |
| 22:19.11 | Strings | How, sorry |
| 22:19.17 | Strings | Is there a config file somewhere? |
| 22:20.27 | streuner | acroread is in marillat's repos... |
| 22:20.32 | Dark-Fx | Strings: You're probably being limited on CPU power somewhere, that would be my guess |
| 22:21.01 | Strings | But it can torrent at 2mb/sec upload |
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| 22:23.50 | Strings | no ideas? |
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| 22:25.47 | Teltariat | Anyone have any suggestions for using SSH X Forwarding inside a chroot? The host machine has no X stuff installed, but the chroot does. I SSH in, chroot into the dir that has everything, and try to run X apps, but no cigar; |
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| 22:29.53 | hp | What is the equivalent of gentoo's rc-update? |
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| 22:32.29 | Dark-Fx | hp: That is all done when you update the packages |
| 22:32.36 | Dark-Fx | er... |
| 22:32.54 | Dark-Fx | nevermind, thought you were talking about something else |
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| 22:33.49 | abrotman | hp: update-rc.d |
| 22:33.54 | hp | Dark-Fx: No problem. |
| 22:34.02 | abrotman | if i think that's what gentoo's app does :) |
| 22:34.04 | abrotman | !update-rc.d |
| 22:34.05 | dpkg | it has been said that update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 22:34.24 | abrotman | hp: right ? |
| 22:34.27 | ]pablo[ | !noapic |
| 22:34.33 | hp | abrotman: Yes. Thanks. |
| 22:34.37 | abrotman | apic=noapic |
| 22:34.57 | ]pablo[ | !apic |
| 22:34.58 | dpkg | apic is, like, an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 22:35.06 | fas3r | i have find my error in raduis abrotman ^^ |
| 22:35.45 | abrotman | fas3r: no libssl ? |
| 22:35.59 | abrotman | ]pablo[: what are you lookign for ? |
| 22:36.02 | fas3r | nop problem in my users file conf |
| 22:36.10 | fas3r | but i have new one :p |
| 22:36.11 | abrotman | damn user! |
| 22:36.24 | fas3r | Error: rlm_eap: SSL error error:00000000:lib(0):func(0):reason(0) |
| 22:36.33 | abrotman | i've seen it 20 times now :) |
| 22:36.44 | fas3r | but i think it's in conf file too .. :) |
| 22:36.48 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:37.26 | fas3r | i have look on google they speak about random file in radius.conf i go to search ... new time .. :) |
| 22:37.40 | fas3r | maybe after this i go to sleep 1 day sure .. :) |
| 22:37.46 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 22:38.24 | hp | I just did a business card install and I am impressed. My whole desktop is under 2 gigs. I use FVWM. |
| 22:38.43 | snowbird | hp u a a lap top or pritner? |
| 22:38.54 | Dark-Fx | He's a Procurve switch |
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| 22:39.16 | hp | snowbird: I have a desktop and cups. |
| 22:39.19 | snowbird | dark-fx female curves |
| 22:39.36 | snowbird | hp i got 1300 laser on the way |
| 22:39.59 | snowbird | debian spit out hp scanner |
| 22:41.08 | abrotman | hp: 2GBs? |
| 22:41.13 | abrotman | with no gnome or kde ? |
| 22:41.21 | hp | abrotman: 2 gigs on disk. |
| 22:41.26 | abrotman | i know .. that's huge |
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| 22:41.41 | hp | abrotman: FVWM, my computer is far too old for kde or gnome. |
| 22:41.42 | abrotman | well .. i guess if you install OO and other items it's not so bad |
| 22:41.49 | abrotman | hp: but you were running gentoo ? |
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| 22:42.07 | hp | abrotman: Yes. |
| 22:42.10 | abrotman | hp: how old is it? |
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| 22:42.30 | hp | abrotman: According to my BIOS, June 1999! |
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| 22:42.44 | abrotman | hp: so like a PII 400Mhz ? |
| 22:42.54 | hp | abrotman: Right on. |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | oh .. 256MB if you're lucky eh ? :) |
| 22:43.17 | RichiH | there is a tcp-based traceroute, isn't there? |
| 22:43.17 | hp | abrotman: maxed out. |
| 22:43.24 | ix | tcptraceroute |
| 22:43.27 | ix | mtr is better. |
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| 22:44.33 | xingu | abrotman: l2trace, catos/ios, requires cdp. |
| 22:44.44 | abrotman | xingu: i was joking damn it |
| 22:45.30 | xingu | where's the real abrotman, someone's swapped him with an imposter that has a sense of humour |
| 22:45.44 | abrotman | xingu: it's okay .. i'm leaving! |
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| 22:46.34 | snowbird | sounds like female imoster |
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| 22:47.41 | Bajo | sparrw, is it you the person I was talking to before? |
| 22:48.32 | graytron | is there any way to install just one xserver-xorg-video module instead of the whole bunch all at once?? |
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| 22:48.54 | abrotman | graytron: sure .. don't use the metapckages |
| 22:49.23 | unilynx | abrotman: ? |
| 22:49.32 | abrotman | unilynx: i'm fleeing! |
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| 22:49.46 | unilynx | from? |
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| 22:49.53 | exmortis | i need some help |
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| 22:50.06 | abrotman | unilynx: it was a joke .. unfortunate timing for you |
| 22:50.17 | unilynx | yeah... |
| 22:50.19 | graytron | abrotman: hmm. whenever i try to install just "xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-video-mga" it also tries to install xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 22:50.22 | ]pablo[ | !group |
| 22:50.22 | dpkg | adduser <USER> <GROUP>; read the adduser man page. |
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| 22:50.26 | exmortis | okay |
| 22:50.31 | exmortis | how do i enable font smoothing kde? |
| 22:50.38 | cyberfr0g | I'll find out |
| 22:50.40 | exmortis | ^in |
| 22:50.59 | abrotman | graytron: examine the depends |
| 22:51.29 | exmortis | please? |
| 22:51.33 | graytron | abrotman: the depends seem bad |
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| 22:52.31 | slava | how should my sources.list look if i want to pull security patches for debian 3.1? |
| 22:52.35 | slava | i don't want to update the server for 4.0 yet |
| 22:52.48 | slava | what do i put instead of 'stable'? |
| 22:53.05 | tarzeau | slava: sarge? |
| 22:53.07 | slava | k |
| 22:53.08 | graytron | slava: deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 22:54.23 | graytron | abrotman: do you have experience with X.Org on etch? |
| 22:54.39 | azeem | graytron: do you experience with xmakemol in testing? |
| 22:54.42 | azeem | +have |
| 22:55.26 | graytron | azeem: I'm sorry, but unfortunately I don't. :( |
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| 22:55.37 | azeem | :( |
| 22:56.34 | eljefe | valdyn: are you still around? its jthomas, working on my Pentium1 slideshow thing... |
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| 22:59.09 | eljefe | or anyone I guess... My project is a laptop-turned-photoframe. I have it setup to autologin as the user and to start the slideshow, but I was told it was a hack (agreed) and it could be done better. So I created a bin/sh script (executable) with 'su -c _user_ startx' and linked it to /etc/rc2.d/S60startx but it isn't starting, as far as I can tell. Maybe in the background but it doesn't auto load. |
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| 23:00.04 | slava | anyone know how to configure postfix to silently ignore invalid email instead of bouncing? |
| 23:00.12 | ice63 | what version of gnome is in lenny right now ? |
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| 23:00.46 | unilynx | ice63: 2.18.3 |
| 23:01.11 | ice63 | unilynx: ok |
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| 23:02.41 | eljefe | anyone? how do I link a startx script to, well, start x? |
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| 23:02.57 | azeem | eljefe: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 23:03.26 | geo-rge | world peace |
| 23:03.36 | eljefe | azeem: thanks! i am trying to have X start up and have a user auto logged in, with as few files/apps as possible, so that a slideshow starts only and always. |
| 23:03.43 | Bajo | what archives should I include to keep upgraded my debian distro? |
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| 23:04.03 | azeem | Bajo: the default one |
| 23:04.10 | eljefe | right now, i have rungetty logging in the user, and the .bash_profile starting X, and then Fluxbox starting the feh slideshow app. |
| 23:04.15 | Bajo | azeem, where can I find the default ones? |
| 23:05.17 | ]pablo[ | what is a cool media player for gnome? |
| 23:05.26 | geo-rge | has to be cool! |
| 23:05.44 | ]pablo[ | well totem is uncool because it gives me codec errors :) |
| 23:05.45 | Bajo | I have only http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 23:05.47 | azeem | ]pablo[: rhythmbox or munin |
| 23:05.50 | geo-rge | got tuh b uh playuh |
| 23:05.50 | eljefe | ]pablo[: the gnome clone of Amarok might be cool-ish, but amarok is cooler ;) |
| 23:05.54 | azeem | Bajo: that's fine |
| 23:06.06 | Bajo | azeem, ok, thanks |
| 23:06.41 | unilynx | ]pablo[: Do you have the appropriate codecs installed? Otherwise if it's video you want, try mplayer. |
| 23:07.48 | ]pablo[ | probably i don't have the codecs, its freshly installed |
| 23:08.10 | ]pablo[ | not sure what's the package for a big range of video codecs |
| 23:08.25 | ice63 | what is the name for gnome clone of amarok ? |
| 23:08.57 | ice63 | i jest use xmms |
| 23:09.27 | lakcaj | rhythmbox |
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| 23:10.52 | lakcaj | ice63, rhythmbox |
| 23:11.04 | ice63 | lak |
| 23:11.08 | ice63 | ok |
| 23:11.13 | ]pablo[ | well installing vlc! |
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| 23:13.45 | lakcaj | ]pablo[, you could install totem-xine and libxine-extracodecs. Those, together with w32codecs and libdvdcss2 should give you about all you need. |
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| 23:14.26 | lakcaj | I don't really like the gstreamer backend |
| 23:14.47 | Bajo | argh, my system seems to crash when I try to mount ntfs partitions... |
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| 23:15.55 | Bajo | how can i see a list of programs running? I can't access the browser right now |
| 23:16.49 | unilynx | Bajo: ps aux |
| 23:16.57 | unilynx | in a terminal |
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| 23:22.53 | kingsley | Is there a tool which displays a series of files, and asks if you'd like to move each? |
| 23:22.56 | NicNac | anyone know of a good ebay tool for debian |
| 23:23.07 | chrismcdowell | how do I turn a user into an administrator? |
| 23:23.17 | kingsley | NicNac: I seem to recall seeing a firefox plugin. |
| 23:23.47 | NicNac | I mean some kind of ebay sniping tool |
| 23:23.48 | kingsley | chrismcdowell: Typically by letting the user use the "sudo" command. |
| 23:24.07 | chrismcdowell | I am not in the sudoers group it says |
| 23:24.09 | mbroeker | chrismcdowell, debian has done it for you: registry is exported to /etc/ and all acls belong to root :) |
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| 23:24.26 | dbldtx | http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/226/screenshotkn8.jpg Thank you all for my new Debian system, complete with 4day uptime! |
| 23:24.32 | ]pablo[ | has anyone mounted ntfs partitions with read/write permissions successfully? i tried ntfs-3g, but out of the 3 NTFS partitions i have just one gets mounted properly |
| 23:25.20 | chrismcdowell | I tried editing the sudoers file in /etc/sudoers but still cant use sudo command |
| 23:25.45 | kingsley | chrismcdowell: Yuo can learn how to configure the "sudo" command by either "man sudo" or searching google's indices for sudo. |
| 23:25.52 | dbldtx | ]pablo[; I was given the option at boot of install to make ntfs mountable; I've been using it willy nilly |
| 23:26.02 | mbroeker | yeah download rate goes down from 100 kb/s to 8 kb/s. this indicates... 100 % full. i got it. yeah |
| 23:26.16 | dbldtx | Is the one that includes the MBR getting included, rest arent? |
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| 23:27.09 | ]pablo[ | dbldtx, hmm i didn't get that option |
| 23:27.15 | hp | chrismcdowell: You can su if you are in wheel. # gpasswd -a you wheel |
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| 23:28.51 | chrismcdowell | hp: I do that in single user mode right? |
| 23:28.51 | Spiritus55 | !compiz |
| 23:28.52 | dpkg | it has been said that compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 23:29.20 | hp | chrismcdowell: I meant the # for root. |
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| 23:30.11 | chrismcdowell | I am getting unkown group: wheel |
| 23:30.18 | chrismcdowell | gpasswd: Permission denied |
| 23:30.22 | hardcampa__ | there is no wheel in debian |
| 23:30.25 | hardcampa__ | as far as I know |
| 23:30.28 | hardcampa__ | in gentoo there is |
| 23:30.34 | Spiritus55 | I need some help with setting up compiz. |
| 23:30.40 | Spiritus55 | Anyone wanna look at my error? |
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| 23:30.52 | foo | Hm, I am trying to mount an nfs mount and it says: mount: RPC: Timed out ... this has been working fine for a while, and all of a sudden it stopped working... as if some upgrade broke something. On the server, I can see that that the mount was authenticated in the logs... I have tried restarting portmap, nfs-common, and nfs-kernel-server... with no luck... any ideas? |
| 23:30.53 | chrismcdowell | how would I make a user have sudo abilities in debian then? |
| 23:31.08 | hardcampa__ | you edit the sudo file with the app for it |
| 23:31.14 | hp | chrismcdowell: sorry about the wheel thing. Check /etc/group |
| 23:31.23 | unilynx | chris: visudo |
| 23:31.23 | hardcampa__ | the app is sudoedit btw |
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| 23:32.07 | hardcampa__ | or else su - and do what you want |
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| 23:32.54 | Spiritus55 | Hey, could someone help me out with setting up compiz? |
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| 23:33.56 | Spiritus55 | I'm using GNOME. |
| 23:34.03 | Spiritus55 | Please, would someone help me? |
| 23:34.53 | mbroeker | chrismcdowell, the easiest way: apt-get install sudo && echo "chris ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL" >> /etc/sudoers |
| 23:34.53 | chrismcdowell | I would add in username ALL = ALL correct? |
| 23:35.24 | mbroeker | chrismcdowell, the first entry is the username, which have sudo rights |
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| 23:35.52 | chrismcdowell | I see root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 23:36.05 | mbroeker | ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL says that all commands from every host by that user is accepted for sudo without entering a password |
| 23:36.08 | chrismcdowell | would I add it in below that? |
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| 23:36.43 | mbroeker | append it only to that file. nothing to change, only to append!! |
| 23:37.31 | twinkiman | does anyone know where i can pick up some additional ldap schema for lenny? |
| 23:37.38 | twinkiman | i'm trying to find rfc822mailmember.schema |
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| 23:38.10 | chrismcdowell | after I add I do ctrl O Write out? then overwrite the existing file |
| 23:38.11 | simonrvn | twinkiman: a) ldap schema vary on the format, not distro; b) google it |
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| 23:39.14 | mbroeker | chrismcdowell, go on the console: enter this: echo "i create a file" > test.txt |
| 23:39.38 | mbroeker | chrismcdowell, then enter: echo "i overwrite that file" > test.txt |
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| 23:40.14 | mbroeker | chrismcdowell, then enter: echo "i append something to the overwritten file by appending the strange arrow there..." >> test.txt |
| 23:40.17 | hp | chrismcdowell: Two arrows ">>" means append. |
| 23:40.29 | hp | I was too late! |
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| 23:42.03 | NicNac | what does checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 23:42.05 | NicNac | mean? |
| 23:42.18 | factor | ahh I always thought it meant wrote so fast it cant delete the stuff at the top. |
| 23:42.31 | chrismcdowell | alright |
| 23:42.57 | azeem | NicNac: you're missing the build-essential package |
| 23:43.01 | NicNac | ahh |
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| 23:44.56 | gimmal | Hey all. I'm having trouble installing the dhcp package from an Etch 4.0r0 DVD set. I'm getting the following message, after 'aptitude install dhcp' : E: Failed to fetch cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20070407-11:40]/pool/main/d/dhcp/dhcp_2.0pl5-19.5_i386.deb: MD5Sum mismatch |
| 23:44.59 | gimmal | so what's up with that? |
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| 23:46.55 | gimmal | ayeeeeee wtf netsplit? |
| 23:46.56 | NicNac | what is gtk+? |
| 23:46.58 | mbroeker | a lib |
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| 23:47.36 | gimmal | no ideas about the md5sum mismatch on the dhcp package? |
| 23:48.09 | mbroeker | gtk, qt, wxwidgets are common window classes for creating gui appications, NicNac |
| 23:48.10 | gimmal | fsking netsplits |
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| 23:49.25 | gimmal | so should I just use a package other than dhcp, for a dhcp server? |
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| 23:49.32 | Spiritus55 | Hey, would someone help me out with my compiz problem? |
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| 23:50.24 | gimmal | if there is anohter. wtf is with that md5sum mismatch, either? whatever the computer is using to match to the disk, it should fscking match the fscking disk, I'd think! |
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| 23:51.40 | Spiritus55 | !dri |
| 23:51.40 | dpkg | well, dri is Direct Rendering Infrastructure, included in X. see http://dri.sourceforge.net or #dri, or read the outut of LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo if your X log looks ok |
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| 23:51.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hda is the first ide hard drive in your computer |
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| 23:51.51 | gimmal | dhcp3-server, ok |
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| 23:52.18 | Spiritus55 | !dpkg |
| 23:52.19 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 23:52.39 | gimmal | gyahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhH! wth, why am I getting "md5sum mismatch" reports on multiple packages, trying to install some things from a reliable Etch DVD-R set ? |
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| 23:54.16 | Bajo | every time I try to mount a ntfs partition the pc freezes and I have to reset |
| 23:54.30 | Bajo | do you have any idea why this happens? |
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| 23:55.20 | ttuttle | How can I make GNOME start Compiz instead of Metacity? |
| 23:55.29 | gimmal | wth is up with #debian-devel being "expired"? |
| 23:55.35 | mbroeker | Bajo, your kernel modul providing the ability to mount "ntfs" crashes your kernel ? |
| 23:56.29 | Bajo | mbroeker, I don't know what actually happens |
| 23:56.43 | Bajo | mbroeker, I have not installed ntfs support as a module |
| 23:57.19 | gimmal | fsk it, will download the dhcp3-server package from packages.debian.org, and worry about "WTH md5sum mismatch?!" later |
| 23:57.32 | mbroeker | Bajo, so which command line is dangerous to your / my debian system? |
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| 23:57.50 | Bajo | mbroeker, mount -t ntfs /dev/hda5 /mnt/win |
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| 23:58.18 | mbroeker | Bajo, and what tells uname -a ? |
| 23:58.20 | mbroeker | Linux largo 2.6.21 #1 PREEMPT Mon Aug 20 02:40:53 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:58.30 | mbroeker | thats my line, Bajo |
| 23:58.48 | Bajo | Linux Bajo 2.6.22.5 #4 Tue Aug 28 00:08:49 CEST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:59.17 | mbroeker | Bajo, ok. your selfmade kernel made a booboo |
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| 23:59.29 | mbroeker | fix that, Bajo |
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| 23:59.45 | basti | how can i create multiple symlinks? i tried something like ln .s /dir1/file* /dir2/ but in dir2 i only get file* instead of the files. any suggestions? thanks :) |
| 23:59.54 | Bajo | mbroeker, I'll try... but where do I have to look? |
