| 00:00.18 | Bajo | ntfs file system support seems selected |
| 00:00.29 | basti | ln -s |
| 00:00.58 | mbroeker | Bajo, maybe check hostbridge, nls support and such things |
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| 00:01.16 | mbroeker | well and partition support ... |
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| 00:02.52 | mbroeker | basti, cd dir2 && ln -s /dir1/files* . |
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| 00:05.35 | dogmeat | ~ssh |
| 00:05.36 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, ssh is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen, or see ssh-agent |
| 00:05.43 | dogmeat | ~XForward |
| 00:05.55 | Spiritus55 | mbroeker: I need help with getting my compiz to work, would you help me out? |
| 00:05.55 | dogmeat | ~X11 Forwarding |
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| 00:06.12 | Spiritus55 | !compiz |
| 00:06.12 | dpkg | i guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 00:06.18 | basti | mbroeker: same result. does not work |
| 00:06.31 | Bajo | mbroeker, apart from the fact I have no idea of what hostbridge is, all seems in order... do you know where can I find further help? |
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| 00:07.01 | hardcampa__ | hum doesn't debian support highmem by default? |
| 00:07.08 | Spiritus55 | mbroeker: Think you could help me out? |
| 00:07.24 | dondelelcaro | hardcampa__: for 686, yes. |
| 00:07.32 | dondelelcaro | hardcampa__: the 486 kernels do not |
| 00:07.37 | hardcampa__ | not amd64? |
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| 00:07.54 | hardcampa__ | I mean I got 2 gig in this computer I only see 700 blabla something |
| 00:08.00 | hardcampa__ | =/ |
| 00:08.06 | hardcampa__ | feels like it's time to compile a kernel myself |
| 00:08.11 | dondelelcaro | hardcampa__: there's no need to much with highmem with 64 bit kernels. |
| 00:08.14 | gimmal | anyone know why my install was configured with an eth1 but no eth0? |
| 00:08.19 | dondelelcaro | (which is kind of the point of them) |
| 00:08.27 | gimmal | anyone know or might have a suggestion about it, I mean -- no idea how to fix it |
| 00:08.29 | DrMitch | so my friend wants to know why I'm running my own DNS. I dont' just wanna tell him: "it makes me manly." What are some arguments for doing it? |
| 00:08.29 | cafuego | 64bit kernels don't have a HIGHMEM option |
| 00:08.30 | dondelelcaro | gimmal: because eth0 was probably the iee1394 adapter. |
| 00:08.32 | gimmal | afaik, it should be eth0 |
| 00:08.42 | gimmal | dondelelcaro: ahaha, thank you |
| 00:08.52 | hardcampa__ | dondelelcaro: yes there is. My kernel only recognizes 700 something of ram when it should recognize 2 gig |
| 00:08.58 | hardcampa__ | anyway.. recompiling the kernel |
| 00:09.10 | dondelelcaro | if it's only seeing 700, then you've got something else wrong. |
| 00:09.16 | Dark-Fx | 768MB? |
| 00:09.17 | hardcampa__ | no |
| 00:09.22 | hardcampa__ | I recognize this problem |
| 00:09.27 | cafuego | hardcampa__: 896 is the limit without HIGHMEM |
| 00:09.29 | dondelelcaro | since the lines are at 900 some odd, 4G, and 64G. |
| 00:09.33 | gimmal | now, why was eth1 configured with "inet addr:169.254.151.104", and what configured it, I'm wondering. It's connected via a direct wire to a laptop with vista on it, and that seems weird, imo |
| 00:09.45 | dondelelcaro | gimmal: that's zeroconf doing that |
| 00:09.49 | cafuego | hardcampa__: If it says 700 you have badly seated ram or something... maybe a bios issue. |
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| 00:10.00 | hardcampa__ | cafuego: even with 2gig? I know it says 896 with 1 gig |
| 00:10.19 | cafuego | hardcampa__: No highmem is no highmem, it'll still stop at 896. |
| 00:10.24 | hardcampa__ | mmm well could throw in another 512 meg just to check |
| 00:10.26 | gimmal | dondelelcaro: eek. would you be able to offer any suggestions about how to prevent it from doing so? or why it did so, either -- weird thing |
| 00:10.28 | dondelelcaro | hardcampa__: it says 896 if you're running a 32 bit kernel with >> 896M and no HIGHMEM. |
| 00:10.39 | hardcampa__ | got 6 512 meg chips lying around doing nothing. |
| 00:10.46 | hardcampa__ | =) |
| 00:10.49 | gimmal | fwiw, it sounds like my "md5sum mismatch" problem was probably a result of a balky sata driver |
| 00:11.01 | cafuego | hardcampa__: If you have 2GB, install the -686 kernel, that is compiled with HIGHMEM=4G afaik. |
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| 00:11.11 | hardcampa__ | cafuego ok |
| 00:11.15 | dondelelcaro | gimmal: well, you can remove zeroconf, you can just configure the nic, or you can change /etc/udev/rules.d/ to set eth1 to eth0 or whatever. |
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| 00:11.31 | cafuego | hardcampa__: A quick check: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 00:11.32 | gimmal | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 00:11.47 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: you're correct. |
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| 00:11.59 | dondelelcaro | (at least for >= etch, anyway) |
| 00:12.06 | dondelelcaro | !cookie cafuego |
| 00:12.08 | Spiritus55 | I'm trying to set up compiz, and I keep getting the same error, I've already done all that the wiki page has said, and here is my error: http://pastebin.com/m4703683f. Please could someone help me? |
| 00:12.10 | hardcampa__ | cafuego: it finds nothing =/ |
| 00:12.15 | cafuego | hehhe |
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| 00:12.24 | aFlag | hello, I have cups and I used the printconf package to configure my printer, all seems to work just fine, I can print using firefox and all that. But I still have a few programs that use the lpr command, how do I configure it? |
| 00:12.36 | cafuego | hardcampa__: What does 'uname -m' say? |
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| 00:12.56 | hardcampa__ | well nothing special |
| 00:12.57 | hardcampa__ | Linux gamer 2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP |
| 00:12.59 | gimmal | fwiw, I don't think zeroconf is installed. no /usr/share/doc/zeroconf, and I don't think anything I"ve installed would pull it in |
| 00:13.08 | Spiritus55 | I'm trying to set up compiz, and I keep getting the same error, I've already done all that the wiki page has said, and here is my error: http://pastebin.com/m4703683f. Please could someone help me? |
| 00:13.09 | hardcampa__ | that's all.. the default etch kernel for amd |
| 00:13.14 | cafuego | hardcampa__: Ok, then there is a hardware or bios problem. |
| 00:13.16 | dondelelcaro | lets all repeat after me: amd64 does not have such a thing as HIGHMEM. |
| 00:13.28 | hardcampa__ | cafuego: that's really wierd as I got 2 gig in win |
| 00:13.31 | hardcampa__ | dualbooting |
| 00:13.38 | hardcampa__ | I still think it's the kernel |
| 00:13.39 | cafuego | hardcampa__: The amd64 kernel should be able to see up to 64-odd GB |
| 00:13.44 | hardcampa__ | anyway.. I'll find out in a bit |
| 00:13.45 | solid_liq | right now I'm installing a system to be used as a file/print/dns/dhcp/mail server, and I don't know for sure what the "standard system" option is. Do I want/need that part? |
| 00:13.47 | cafuego | or was that 8? |
| 00:13.48 | hardcampa__ | thanks for the help anyway |
| 00:13.53 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: it'll go even higher |
| 00:14.00 | cafuego | Mine sees all 4GB anyway |
| 00:14.07 | Spiritus55 | Someone help me out? |
| 00:14.08 | hardcampa__ | neato |
| 00:14.09 | dondelelcaro | it's primarily limited by the bios's ability to address memory |
| 00:14.10 | Spiritus55 | Please? |
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| 00:14.25 | hardcampa__ | well I know it's not a bios issue as I see all mem in win |
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| 00:14.39 | aFlag | :( |
| 00:14.41 | jTs | hi all |
| 00:14.43 | solid_liq | is the "Standard system" option just stuff like the shell and tools, or is it more? |
| 00:14.44 | hardcampa__ | anyways guys, you've helped me enough. |
| 00:14.50 | cafuego | hardcampa__: Check for an updated BIOS anyway... and then yeh, ry a custom compiled kernel. |
| 00:15.28 | jTs | having some issues with ipw2200, kernel 2.6.22.5 |
| 00:15.31 | solid_liq | anyone have any idea? |
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| 00:16.31 | moshii | cafuego: surely it's the bios' ability to report where the memory is to the kernel and not actually addressing it.. |
| 00:16.35 | Spiritus55 | What is the command to see what graphics card you have? |
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| 00:16.55 | moshii | Spiritus55: lspci probably |
| 00:18.14 | aFlag | actually I have to set my printer as the default lpr printer, how do I do that? |
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| 00:20.28 | Spiritus55 | I'm trying to set up compiz, and I keep getting the same error, I've already done all that the wiki page has said, and here is my error: http://pastebin.com/m4703683f. Please could someone help me? |
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| 00:23.52 | moshii | mm does compiz work on multihead setups? |
| 00:24.52 | Spiritus55 | moshii: what do you mean? |
| 00:24.55 | silvertip257 | My live cd keeps crapping out and stopping at the "initramfs" stage ... it says cannot "accessy tty" before that ... please help |
| 00:24.57 | Spiritus55 | !multihead |
| 00:25.01 | Spiritus55 | !multi |
| 00:25.04 | Spiritus55 | !google |
| 00:25.04 | dpkg | well, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
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| 00:25.17 | Spiritus55 | !debian |
| 00:25.17 | silvertip257 | !xinerama |
| 00:25.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0150048402/linux/Multiple_Nvidia_Multiple_Head.html |
| 00:25.17 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:25.32 | moshii | Spiritus55: I have a display that is two screens wide |
| 00:25.41 | silvertip257 | !xinerama : Spiritus55 |
| 00:25.44 | moshii | Spiritus55: I don't use xinerama however |
| 00:25.53 | Spiritus55 | Oh, compiz works on stuff way smaller than that |
| 00:26.01 | Spiritus55 | And bigger, I presume. |
| 00:26.06 | Spiritus55 | Don't think the screen size matters |
| 00:26.11 | moshii | silvertip257: xinerama isn't needed anymore in a lot of cases |
| 00:26.17 | silvertip257 | oh ok |
| 00:26.22 | Spiritus55 | !tell Spiritus55 about xinerama |
| 00:26.24 | silvertip257 | thanks for the fact - I didn't know |
| 00:26.41 | moshii | Spiritus55: you can extend the display on the fly with xrandr |
| 00:26.56 | Spiritus55 | I need help setting up compiz!!! Moshii, can you help me? |
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| 00:28.32 | basti | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
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| 00:30.10 | stephans | hey i need a little CLI crutch here... how do I recurse a set of folders in a root directory and unrar files in each folder? |
| 00:31.07 | stephans | There are several folders with sets of rar files in them... I'd rather not do the gui thing oon all 36 folders |
| 00:31.32 | shogunx | how deep need the recursion go? |
| 00:31.45 | stephans | one level. |
| 00:32.01 | shogunx | unrar x */*rar perhaps |
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| 00:32.18 | danf_1979 | uhm, epiphany 2.18 is ever going to be on testing? :/ |
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| 00:33.01 | stephans | shogunx: will that un compress the rar files in each folder? |
| 00:33.22 | stephans | each folder contains a set of rar files. |
| 00:34.02 | stephans | shogunx: it looks too simple to be true... I thought i'd have to do a for loop... |
| 00:34.19 | awesomess3 | Debian fonts are so weird, how do I manage them? Do I need an X Font Server? Do I use defoma? What are font.dir and font.style files for? What are font.upr files for? |
| 00:34.41 | shogunx | should do so, yes |
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| 00:35.13 | awesomess3 | Should I care what the 'FontPath' says in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 00:35.18 | stoned | !tell awesomess3 -about fonts |
| 00:35.43 | basti | shogunx: find /dir -name *.rar -exec unrar x '{}' \; |
| 00:35.52 | basti | something like this? |
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| 00:36.45 | Spiritus55 | !fonts |
| 00:36.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
| 00:37.02 | simonrvn | !tell Spiritus55 -about msg the bot |
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| 00:39.35 | awesomess3 | !tell awesomess3 -about font_guide |
| 00:40.35 | awesomess3 | !tell awesomess3 -about font guide |
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| 00:45.29 | basti | stephans: did this unrar x */*rar thing work for you? because i only could make it work with find. but maybe i did something wrong... |
| 00:46.24 | stephans | basti: this worked for me -- find . -name "*.rar" -exec unrar x '{}' \; |
| 00:46.39 | stephans | the other command just quit |
| 00:47.02 | basti | ok |
| 00:48.32 | basti | stephans: you can also use something like while read dir; do ( cd "$dir"; for i in *.rar; do unrar e "$i"; done); done |
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| 00:48.52 | Pc_Dark | how do you scan for net devices again |
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| 00:49.02 | basti | ifconfig |
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| 00:49.36 | Pc_Dark | doesn't say the interface basti |
| 00:49.53 | stephans | basti, ok -- perhaps I will try that next time. |
| 00:49.58 | stephans | Thank you |
| 00:50.22 | rcy | i want to setup an apt-proxy. i notice there is approx, apt-cacher, and apt-proxy, at least as my options. can any one recommend one over the other? |
| 00:50.39 | basti | well, the other on is more simple and clean. but just to give you an idea... |
| 00:50.51 | rcy | we have a shop with multiple debian and ubuntu installations, and are doing multiple automated installs per day |
| 00:51.03 | rcy | a full mirror is our other option |
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| 00:53.31 | Joe7 | hi |
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| 00:53.52 | Joe7 | Please help: I just managed to make the system/lilo _unbootable_, I just get 'L 99 99 99 99 99'... nothing else. Any idea what to do now? Prolly try to boot from a livecd or something? |
| 00:53.55 | Saar | rcy: i just use squid here and tell apt to use that |
| 00:54.39 | simonrvn | !li |
| 00:54.39 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 00:54.44 | simonrvn | Joe7: ^^^ |
| 00:55.36 | Saar | yeah lilo is weird, first i didnt want to change, since i use grub i realise how convenient it is |
| 00:55.47 | eljefe | how do i set my default editor in etch? 'crontab -e' brings up nano (i think) and i want vim. |
| 00:55.56 | Joe7 | simonrvn: k, thanks |
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| 00:57.14 | Joe7 | which live/rescue cd is suitable? Trying to boot from a raid array, so need to have support for that before mounting |
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| 00:57.42 | basti | knoppix? |
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| 00:58.58 | snowbird | simonrvn, hey |
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| 00:59.58 | xaque | Can someone tell me what a good network diagraming tool is? |
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| 01:00.45 | bulio| | in a machine that will be acting as a NAS and Router with 6 NICs, would a machine with 477mhz p3 and 256mb of ram, or a machine with 660mhz p3 and 192mb of ram? |
| 01:02.11 | xaque | bulio|: are you asking which would be better? |
| 01:02.25 | bulio| | yes |
| 01:02.29 | pickcoder | bulio|: a 477 with 256MB should be fine if you aren't doing a ton of log analysing |
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| 01:02.36 | bulio| | ok |
| 01:02.40 | pickcoder | 466 actually |
| 01:02.44 | bulio| | thanks |
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| 01:03.08 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 01:04.11 | xptical | hi all. I did something dumb. I removed the "ulogd" script from /etc/init.d. Now, apt-get install ulogd does not restore the init.d script or the /etc/ulogd.conf file. what can I do? |
| 01:04.16 | snowbird | id think the 600mhz and 192 ram one better |
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| 01:05.22 | pickcoder | speed wise, yeah |
| 01:05.38 | en1gma | i have been having some major problems...(at my own fault im sure)....i have a spare box that has 5nics in it (including the onboard nic) any how i figure i would make it into a gateway/router box since it has 4 nics for a lan and 1 for the wan...i been trying all kinds of live cds for routers such as smoothwall, zeroshell and ipcop..what i want to know is can a debian hd install run this router box with only the power cord and lan cords connect |
| 01:05.44 | xaque | snowbird: agreed, six nics can present a problem when you are transfering a large amount of data. The bottelneck will mostly be the router machine. |
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| 01:06.27 | en1gma | snowbird you have a box that is just for a gateway/router? |
| 01:06.34 | xaque | en1gma: turn on forwarding and learn iptables |
| 01:06.43 | en1gma | that was not my problem |
| 01:06.45 | en1gma | read what i wrote |
| 01:06.47 | snowbird | i ahd that |
| 01:06.54 | xaque | en1gma: I would guess that many people in this room have a machine that does such a thing |
| 01:07.16 | snowbird | outher thing i found was fast nick card gigabit i recall |
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| 01:08.02 | snowbird | id look around for 256 in 600mhz pc. i found any thing undre a gig with 256 was lil slow |
| 01:08.04 | en1gma | i just wanted to make sure before i go and do a full distro install...ok saying i do a minimal install (no X) what would be a good program that lets me manage that router box through a remote machine through a web interface |
| 01:08.21 | snowbird | ip cop does |
| 01:08.22 | xaque | en1gma: vi |
| 01:08.29 | xaque | er |
| 01:08.30 | xjkx | why it happens on glxinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/672776 |
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| 01:08.47 | en1gma | snowbird dont ipcop only let you have 2 nics...1 for lan and for wan (for the green and red zones) |
| 01:08.58 | ameyer | pfft, 500 MHz, 128 MB of RAM here, it's at least semi-usable |
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| 01:09.05 | snowbird | there are some u install of floppy i think they all ahve gui coyote was floppy disk install if i rember |
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| 01:09.32 | xshad | hi, is there anyone using etch on a hp pavilion with webcam ant tv tuner working? |
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| 01:09.42 | xshad | s/ant/and |
| 01:09.42 | snowbird | i had more than that i even had wifi on ip cop |
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| 01:09.54 | snowbird | il look it up |
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| 01:10.27 | en1gma | i used smoothwall which is a knockoff from ipcop i take it...and from what i seen and read it only lets you have 1 nic in red and 1 nic in green |
| 01:10.34 | snowbird | iam thinking fire wall not router |
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| 01:10.38 | en1gma | if others are added i think they go in blue orange and purple |
| 01:10.56 | mikez0r | does anybody know how Debian's sound is set up? For some reason I'm not seeing any /dev/snd/seq device |
| 01:10.57 | snowbird | right and one was orange was my wifi one |
| 01:11.08 | snowbird | alsaconf mike |
| 01:11.35 | mikez0r | that'll set it up? |
| 01:11.37 | en1gma | basically this box will act just like a linksys 4 port corded router...which i would think the 4 nics would be in the green zone |
| 01:11.39 | mikez0r | cool |
| 01:11.39 | mikez0r | thanks |
| 01:11.41 | snowbird | yes mike |
| 01:11.49 | snowbird | and then you ahve to save settings |
| 01:11.58 | snowbird | there is save comand too |
| 01:12.16 | mikez0r | snowbird so how do I do that? |
| 01:12.21 | snowbird | en1gma, i found live router |
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| 01:12.27 | snowbird | mike il get code |
| 01:12.35 | en1gma | this machine im on now is a windows xp machine....will putty work just like another linux box running ssh when commumicating with a linux box |
| 01:12.36 | snowbird | tyoe alsaconf in shell as root |
| 01:12.44 | snowbird | then u set sound and tye this |
| 01:12.46 | en1gma | snowbird that live router sounds intresting |
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| 01:12.51 | en1gma | let me google |
| 01:13.06 | snowbird | elements, here link |
| 01:13.14 | stoned | HTREE directory inode 27197450 has an invalid root node. <-- e2fsck returned this |
| 01:13.16 | snowbird | http://www.wifi.com.ar/english/cdrouter/ |
| 01:13.21 | stoned | that is bad or really bad |
| 01:13.25 | xaque | What is a good network diagramming tool for linux? |
| 01:13.39 | snowbird | en1gma, link for u |
| 01:13.41 | semprix | xaque, try dia |
| 01:13.42 | en1gma | snowbird yea i went to that site other day....only the pro version has web interface for remote admin |
| 01:13.48 | xaque | dia? |
| 01:13.50 | en1gma | otherwise that would have been the first one i got |
| 01:14.31 | stoned | /dev/sda2: clean, 35388/59817984 files, 104732636/119628022 blocks |
| 01:14.32 | semprix | xaque, apt-cache search dia |
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| 01:14.36 | stoned | but its clean? |
| 01:14.39 | pickcoder | snowbird: I just setup a router on a 550 with 392MB and it was fine even with squid and mrtg |
| 01:14.48 | snowbird | wow |
| 01:14.49 | pickcoder | just depends on how trim you set things up |
| 01:14.51 | xaque | semprix: done, installed, looks nice. |
| 01:14.58 | pickcoder | and how you configure the software |
| 01:15.12 | semprix | :) |
| 01:15.13 | snowbird | mike i forget alsastore settings comand |
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| 01:15.27 | pickcoder | my most rescent fun tonight was a temp router onan 866 with 256MB |
| 01:15.27 | en1gma | i have another mboard laying around that has an athlon 600 and 64meg mem...think that could handle 5nics for a router |
| 01:15.29 | snowbird | pickcoder, ikow u right i mean slower |
| 01:15.31 | pickcoder | recent even |
| 01:15.47 | snowbird | elements, use a switch more pcs |
| 01:15.47 | xaque | semprix: thanks, I think this will work. Basic, but good. |
| 01:15.55 | semprix | xaque, you can also download some cisco symbols in the cisco site :) |
| 01:16.19 | xaque | semprix: ah, thats what I am looking for. I have the ccnp book in my lap =] |
| 01:16.25 | snowbird | en1gma, USE 25 PORT SWITCH |
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| 01:16.36 | en1gma | lol |
| 01:17.02 | snowbird | en1gma, i got that here |
| 01:17.10 | en1gma | i want to use either the xp2600 with 256meg or use the athlon 600 with 64 for this router project |
| 01:17.11 | en1gma | :) |
| 01:17.22 | snowbird | selll me the 2600 |
| 01:17.23 | silvertip257 | en1gma: hey I'm working on one too |
| 01:17.30 | en1gma | :) |
| 01:17.40 | en1gma | how much or maybe we can trade something |
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| 01:17.44 | snowbird | en1gma, u dont have pc2700 do u |
| 01:17.51 | semprix | xaque, there are a lot of symbols just google it ;) |
| 01:17.53 | en1gma | its 333mhz so yea |
| 01:17.56 | silvertip257 | en1gma: here's the downside (read below) |
| 01:17.57 | silvertip257 | I'm trying to boot to vyatta livecd (router distro based on debian), but I keep getting this message "/bin/sh: can't access tty" |
| 01:18.17 | en1gma | wow i was getting that error with another live cd |
| 01:18.22 | en1gma | let me think which one it was |
| 01:18.34 | en1gma | debian-live cd |
| 01:18.36 | silvertip257 | en1gma: how can I resolve it? ;) |
| 01:18.39 | snowbird | en1gma, was that on non check sum disk |
| 01:18.49 | en1gma | yea |
| 01:18.51 | silvertip257 | I checksummed this one |
| 01:18.55 | en1gma | i should have checked it |
| 01:19.02 | silvertip257 | I checksum everything I download that has one posted |
| 01:19.04 | en1gma | i still have the iso right here |
| 01:19.12 | silvertip257 | wow |
| 01:19.18 | snowbird | some u cant m5check like one i tried all sums falied |
| 01:19.21 | en1gma | i forget how to check in windows |
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| 01:19.33 | en1gma | in linux you just compare |
| 01:19.34 | snowbird | best is not use k3b in linux |
| 01:19.41 | silvertip257 | ideas on how I can fix this error? |
| 01:19.54 | snowbird | one night i check 100 times and gave up |
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| 01:20.08 | snowbird | check sum burnt disk |
| 01:20.14 | snowbird | re download? |
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| 01:20.32 | silvertip257 | already a good disc |
| 01:20.33 | MajorPoopyPants | what would be the advantage of using debian over ubuntu? |
| 01:20.47 | snowbird | freindly room |
| 01:20.56 | jetscreamer | more toilet paper |
| 01:20.59 | snowbird | en1gma, i had gig of ram die |
| 01:21.16 | en1gma | im looking for more mem too |
| 01:21.17 | en1gma | :) |
| 01:21.19 | snowbird | some times bad ram gives install errors |
| 01:21.20 | en1gma | only 256 |
| 01:21.22 | cygnet | "debian" doesn't mean something lame in some african language |
| 01:21.36 | xshad | lol |
| 01:21.36 | snowbird | en1gma, ddr? |
| 01:21.55 | en1gma | nah i had a bad burner that i burnt dvd-rws with and i got a new burner yesterday and put some isos on those old dvd-rws |
| 01:21.57 | stiv2k | hi |
| 01:21.58 | stiv2k | can someone please perform a test for me |
| 01:21.59 | stiv2k | telnet neoturbine.net 8118 |
| 01:22.04 | en1gma | i think those old dvd-rws are crap |
| 01:22.15 | en1gma | yep its ddr |
| 01:22.16 | jetscreamer | try updating the firmware on your old dvd burner |
| 01:22.21 | en1gma | pc2700 |
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| 01:22.28 | en1gma | 333mhz |
| 01:22.28 | snowbird | en1gma, i had two new lg brand go south in 10 cds use |
| 01:22.40 | snowbird | en1gma, no ddr here |
| 01:22.48 | jetscreamer | that fixed a client's for me once |
| 01:22.51 | en1gma | you had memory go bad when using 10cds? |
| 01:22.54 | silvertip257 | memory go bad ? |
| 01:22.58 | silvertip257 | wtf ? |
| 01:22.59 | snowbird | yeah |
| 01:23.01 | silvertip257 | damn |
| 01:23.07 | silvertip257 | what brand? |
| 01:23.12 | snowbird | i went to install wouldn't til i pulled ram out |
| 01:23.13 | en1gma | hmm try and up its voltafe |
| 01:23.18 | en1gma | dont have anything to loose |
| 01:23.37 | silvertip257 | snowbird: what brand of RAM? |
| 01:23.42 | en1gma | maybe your psu isnt giving it the correct volts |
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| 01:23.47 | snowbird | i forgetr |
| 01:23.54 | en1gma | or sometimes mboards will even do that |
| 01:23.59 | snowbird | yeah |
| 01:24.04 | en1gma | use cpu-z to see what volts its really getting |
| 01:24.06 | snowbird | i had poor parts lately |
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| 01:27.04 | jetscreamer | my kid fried a gig of ram and the mb putting the ram in... guess she forced it in backwards, no idea... denies any wrongdoing. |
| 01:27.22 | snowbird | ram was either hynix or same that went bad in here |
| 01:27.31 | snowbird | i did that two rong parity |
| 01:28.01 | en1gma | if the ram is bad anyhow...up the voltage |
| 01:28.08 | en1gma | cant hurt anything and it might even work |
| 01:28.45 | stiv2k | anyone here use privoxy |
| 01:28.48 | snowbird | failed mem test |
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| 01:29.25 | ameyer | and people complain about Debian's community... |
| 01:29.25 | snowbird | trying to get printer next |
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| 01:30.31 | dondelelcaro | ameyer: complaining in here about it isn't particularly useful |
| 01:30.49 | ameyer | no, no it's not |
| 01:30.52 | en1gma | brb |
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| 01:31.57 | devicenull | is there a way to rebuild the aptitude package cache? Mine seems kind of screwed up, it has nagios-common as a dependency of nagios-mysql, but nagios-common doesnt exit? |
| 01:32.00 | devicenull | *exist |
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| 01:32.17 | dondelelcaro | devicenull: just run aptitude update; |
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| 01:32.24 | dondelelcaro | !+depends nagios-mysql |
| 01:32.25 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:32.28 | devicenull | yea, did that already |
| 01:32.29 | dpkg | nagios-mysql: depends on libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libgd2-noxpm (>= 2.0.34~rc1) | libgd2-xpm (>= 2.0.34~rc1), libjpeg62, libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, nagios-common (= 2:1.4-3.1), libdbd-mysql-perl, dbconfig-common (>= 1.8.9), mysql-client | virtual-mysql-client, ucf |
| 01:32.37 | eljefe | why would my top say '2 users' when my who only says me, once? |
| 01:32.38 | dondelelcaro | !+info nagios-common |
| 01:32.42 | dpkg | nagios-common: (A host/service/network monitoring and management system), section net, is optional. Version: 2:1.4-3.1 (sid), Packaged size: 1195 kB, Installed size: 3192 kB |
| 01:32.42 | simonrvn | nagios-common (= 2:1.4-3.1) |
| 01:32.59 | devicenull | oh, I get this |
| 01:33.01 | GmLB | Help! My computer rebooted (crashed) and my mdadm array isn't up. cat /proc/mdstat lists /dev/md0 as inactive and is missing one of the disks (/dev/sdb). What can I do to troubleshoot? Why doesn't it list the disk as failed, but rather missing?? |
| 01:33.01 | devicenull | " Package nagios-common is not configured yet." |
| 01:33.14 | simonrvn | "not configured" |
| 01:33.19 | ameyer | you could remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and aptitude update |
| 01:33.36 | jetscreamer | .bin? |
| 01:33.36 | eljefe | GmLB: have you checked the connections, for whatever possible reason that they came undone? |
| 01:33.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:33.50 | jetscreamer | do that |
| 01:33.53 | GmLB | eljefe, all the disks are seen in the bios, and i can parted print them all |
| 01:33.57 | ameyer | that helped when apt was mangling the package cache... |
| 01:34.15 | eljefe | GmLB: or grep -iL mdadm /var/log/* |
| 01:34.20 | simonrvn | it's not mangled in this case, just layer 8 problem |
| 01:34.24 | devicenull | jetscreamer: doesnt help, I get http://dev.ampaste.net/82031 |
| 01:34.32 | ameyer | simonrvn: pebcak? |
| 01:34.41 | simonrvn | affirmative |
| 01:34.43 | GmLB | eljefe, nothing. |
| 01:34.48 | eljefe | but no, i don't know how to troubleshoot it really, more than that. but we just set one up at work so i have an interest in your success... |
| 01:34.53 | ameyer | I guess the k and c are reversed there... |
| 01:35.06 | simonrvn | works either way |
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| 01:35.09 | eljefe | GmLB: what kind of RAID is it? |
| 01:35.17 | GmLB | eljefe, RAID5 on 8 500gb disks |
| 01:35.34 | eljefe | wow, which disk is missing? |
| 01:35.49 | GmLB | eljefe, /dev/sdb |
| 01:36.10 | eljefe | can you replace it? |
| 01:36.14 | GmLB | eljefe, but normally /proc/mdstat lists a missing drive as missing... in this case it's not showing up as part of the array! |
| 01:36.30 | GmLB | eljefe, and also if a disk is missing should I be able to mount /dev/md0? It won't let me... and lists it as inactive |
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| 01:36.45 | xjkx | why it happens on glxinfo: http://www.pastebin.ca/672776 |
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| 01:37.17 | eljefe | GmLB: I am not sure if you can mount it if it doesn't see a disk to replace the hole with... (?) |
| 01:37.41 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: So do you have [U_UUUUUU] or something like that? |
| 01:37.41 | GmLB | eljefe, there is no hole according to it. mdadm --detail /dev/md0 tells me /dev/md0 doesn't appear to be active |
| 01:37.52 | devicenull | Setting up nagios-common (2:1.4-3.1) ... This module does not exist! .. hmm |
| 01:38.07 | simonrvn | devicenull: ok, you'll have to debug the postinst. know how to do that? |
| 01:38.12 | eljefe | sure, but it might not be active BECAUSE it won't mount without sdb |
| 01:38.13 | devicenull | no |
| 01:38.23 | eljefe | by its nature, it won't allow itself to (?) |
| 01:38.26 | devicenull | is it documented anywhere? |
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| 01:38.31 | simonrvn | set -e in the nagios-common.postinst script, at the top |
| 01:39.15 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, No, as I was saying it doesn't show that |
| 01:39.21 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, it simply doesn't show the disk as part of the array |
| 01:39.22 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: if your devices are all the same, you can attempt to rebuild the array. |
| 01:39.31 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, Can I? It won't screw up the data? |
| 01:39.36 | Dark-Fx | No, I' |
| 01:39.39 | Dark-Fx | ve done it before |
| 01:39.43 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, how? |
| 01:39.55 | Dark-Fx | You just have to make sure you use the exact right syntax |
| 01:39.57 | devicenull | simonrvn: comment that? |
| 01:40.00 | eljefe | GmLB: by replacing the hole in sdb! |
| 01:40.15 | simonrvn | devicenull: er, sorry, set -x :) |
| 01:40.20 | devicenull | oh |
| 01:40.20 | eljefe | or, hole that IS sdb |
| 01:40.31 | devicenull | uncommenting it made it skip the error :p |
| 01:40.35 | Dark-Fx | What are your devices, sd[a-h] ? |
| 01:40.36 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, can you point me to the exact right command? |
| 01:40.42 | simonrvn | yeh but not fix it ;) |
| 01:40.44 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, yeah |
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| 01:41.29 | Dark-Fx | mdadm -E /dev/sd[a-h] will print out ordering information for each drive. |
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| 01:42.10 | simonrvn | devicenull: then i run the script with configure as an argv (like this: /var/lib/dpkg/info.package.postinst configure) or just run dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:42.56 | GmLB | eljefe, it says there's no md superblock on sd a-f, but found them on g-h |
| 01:43.06 | GmLB | eljefe, how can the superblock be missing? if it is, am I totally fucked? |
| 01:43.07 | devicenull | oh |
| 01:43.33 | eljefe | GmLB: i don't think so |
| 01:43.37 | devicenull | hmm |
| 01:43.39 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: are you using sd? or sd?1 as your device |
| 01:43.44 | simonrvn | devicenull: then, watch what happens, and see what's going on |
| 01:43.45 | eljefe | thats the reason for raid, isn't it? everything is 'safe'? |
| 01:43.49 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, sd?1 |
| 01:44.09 | Dark-Fx | ah, you'd have to modify what I said then to be -E /dev/sd[a-h]1 |
| 01:44.13 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, Ah! |
| 01:44.14 | eljefe | Dark-Fx: can you use an unpartitioned drive? i didn't know... |
| 01:44.41 | Dark-Fx | eljefe: yes, I recommend against doing it though since it's real easy to mess up the drive |
| 01:44.53 | simonrvn | devicenull: damn typos... "/var/lib/dpkg/info/package.postinst configure" |
| 01:45.12 | devicenull | I figured it out |
| 01:45.16 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:45.18 | devicenull | well, no idea why the error occured |
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| 01:45.56 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: as an example, this line is what you should be looking at: this 1 8 16 1 active sync /dev/sdb |
| 01:45.58 | simonrvn | missing module... probably some nagios thingy missing or not enabled 8shrug*. i haven't used it in a while |
| 01:46.07 | devicenull | my aapche2 install is screwed up |
| 01:46.08 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, so apparently sda1 is good, c1-f1 and g and h are on the disk, not the 1st partition |
| 01:46.17 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, so b is gone, and g and h i setup wrong |
| 01:46.26 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, but I was pretty sure I used the partition |
| 01:46.31 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, especially since parted shows one |
| 01:46.33 | devicenull | it's missing auth_basic |
| 01:46.40 | simonrvn | a2enmod |
| 01:46.50 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, oh wait, no parted doesn't. |
| 01:46.56 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, it says unrecognized disk label |
| 01:46.59 | devicenull | yea, a2enmod fails :p |
| 01:47.00 | Dark-Fx | Ok, does fdisk -l /dev/sdb show anything? |
| 01:47.10 | simonrvn | with? |
| 01:47.17 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, yeah, one partition |
| 01:47.20 | devicenull | "This module does not exist!" |
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| 01:47.34 | simonrvn | just run a2enmod with no args |
| 01:47.39 | devicenull | yea |
| 01:47.44 | devicenull | and I put in auth_basic when it asks |
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| 01:47.53 | simonrvn | does it show in the list? |
| 01:48.02 | devicenull | oh |
| 01:48.05 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, in fact, parted shows " 1 16.4kB 500GB 500GB primary " |
| 01:48.06 | devicenull | no, it doesnt |
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| 01:48.08 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, for sdb |
| 01:48.11 | devicenull | Your choices are: ls: /etc/apache2/mods-available/*.load: No such file or directory |
| 01:48.19 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, where's the superblock? the disk seems okayy... |
| 01:48.24 | devicenull | I misread that at first |
| 01:48.25 | simonrvn | er, wtf |
| 01:48.44 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, but I guess regardless, if I just rebuild with a-h and add b in later we should be okay ,right? |
| 01:48.47 | Dark-Fx | I'm not really familiar where the superblocks are stored |
| 01:48.57 | devicenull | I think, I'm just going to reinstall apache2 |
| 01:49.06 | zooted_ | I have a fairly minimal Debian install on compact flash. I need to reconfigure networking since the disk is currently booted via qemu. Is there a curses style GUI to reconfigure networking? |
| 01:49.08 | Dark-Fx | yes, just make sure you have them in the right order, and use the same devices |
| 01:49.28 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, Forgive me but, how... the man page for mdadm is rather daunting... |
| 01:49.39 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: Trust me, I've been there. |
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| 01:49.45 | simonrvn | zooted_: no unless your editor runs on ncurses ;p |
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| 01:50.16 | ameyer | what'd be necessary for a base debian install, similar to Ubuntu's server install? |
| 01:50.29 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, would it be "mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 /dev/sdf1 /dev/sdg /dev/sdh? |
| 01:50.34 | ameyer | (pretty much just what's needed for a running system + apt) |
| 01:50.34 | zooted_ | simonrvn: :0 yeah, I thought as much... I guess I gotta do it the hard way. |
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| 01:50.45 | ttuttle | Do you guys provide VLC? |
| 01:50.53 | simonrvn | ameyer: install, do the reboot, do not run aptitude or tasksel |
| 01:50.57 | Dark-Fx | You might have to specify 'missing' where sdb would be |
| 01:51.10 | ttuttle | I found the server counterpart of VLC, and docs, but not VLC. |
| 01:51.11 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, ::gulp:: just the word "missing?" |
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| 01:51.15 | ameyer | I could do it with the netinst CD? |
| 01:51.18 | Dark-Fx | yeah |
| 01:51.23 | Dark-Fx | mdadm --stop /dev/md0 |
| 01:51.23 | simonrvn | ameyer: yeh |
| 01:51.24 | Dark-Fx | first |
| 01:51.37 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search vlc |
| 01:51.45 | jetscreamer | !debian-marillat |
| 01:51.48 | Dark-Fx | Assembling can't destroy data |
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| 01:51.54 | simonrvn | ttuttle: it exists somewhere i forget if it's in debian per se or debian-multimedia |
| 01:51.56 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 01:51.56 | dpkg | from memory, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 01:52.03 | adv | except ctrl-z how else can i create a job? |
| 01:52.19 | devicenull | adv screen? |
| 01:52.20 | Dark-Fx | adv: foo &? |
| 01:52.32 | adv | else? |
| 01:52.40 | devicenull | screen |
| 01:52.47 | Dark-Fx | & backgrounds the job |
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| 01:53.10 | devicenull | hm |
| 01:53.12 | simonrvn | daemon package; couple others |
| 01:53.16 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, here goes nothing |
| 01:53.19 | devicenull | a2enmod still fails after removing and reinstalling apache2 |
| 01:53.22 | roe | any ideas how I can figure out where my system load is coming from? |
| 01:53.39 | simonrvn | devicenull: same "no such file..." stuff? |
| 01:53.48 | devicenull | yea, doing an aptitude purge on them now |
| 01:53.56 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: If that succeeds, and you can mount /dev/md0, you can add /dev/sdb1 back into the array |
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| 01:54.18 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, alright, 1 min and I'll let you know |
| 01:54.25 | devicenull | there we go |
| 01:54.47 | devicenull | somehow my apache install was very screwed up |
| 01:54.55 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, "mdadm: cannot open device missing: No such file or directory" |
| 01:54.59 | ttuttle | Um, how can I install vlc on lenny? |
| 01:55.03 | Dark-Fx | Try it without that |
| 01:55.18 | cygnet | apt-get install vlc? |
| 01:55.26 | Dark-Fx | I couldn't remember if you needed missing when assembling |
| 01:55.29 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, "mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 7 drives - not enough to start the array while not clean - consider --force." |
| 01:55.30 | simonrvn | ttuttle: see the debian-multimedia factoid (/msg dpkg debian-multimedia) |
| 01:55.30 | ttuttle | cygnet: Um, tried it. |
| 01:55.41 | cygnet | search vlc in synaptic |
| 01:55.49 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, should I --force it? |
| 01:55.49 | simonrvn | fyi, cinelerra is there |
| 01:55.54 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: you sure you used RAID5? |
| 01:55.54 | _mark | Needing help figuring out the Boot Process (System init scripts, Debian-Sid)... any "experts" here? |
| 01:55.59 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, 100% sure |
| 01:56.06 | ttuttle | simonrvn: But I don't want it for etch. Plus that didn't work. I added it, and did apt-get update, and apt-get install vlc doesn't work. |
| 01:56.14 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, will --force lose data? |
| 01:56.19 | cygnet | cinelerra from repository will not work on unstable |
| 01:56.28 | Dark-Fx | I don't believe so |
| 01:56.28 | simonrvn | ttuttle: search for it first |
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| 01:56.31 | cTATUK | Can Totem play APE formatted audio files? |
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| 01:56.41 | cygnet | library problem - one must compile cinelerra |
| 01:56.42 | ttuttle | simonrvn: apt-cache search won't find it. |
| 01:56.49 | cygnet | which I did. |
| 01:56.51 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, "mdadm: /dev/md0 has been started with 7 drives (out of 8)." |
| 01:56.58 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, woohoo, so how do I add the missing disk back in and rebuild? |
| 01:57.06 | Dark-Fx | Make sure you can mount first |
| 01:57.24 | Dark-Fx | check to see what /proc/mdstat says |
| 01:57.43 | simonrvn | cygnet: i noticed, buncha these: PluginServer::open_plugin: /usr/lib/cinelerra/brightness.so: undefined symbol: glUseProgram |
| 01:57.44 | chrismcdowell | is there a way to make an install .deb file look for a newer dependency instead of an older one? |
| 01:57.46 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, /proc/mdstat is good, it shows the missing disk... I use LVM over the MD, how do I restart lvm? |
| 01:57.51 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 01:57.58 | Dark-Fx | ooh, I don't use LVM |
| 01:58.00 | Dark-Fx | um.. |
| 01:58.04 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, i'm gunna do a /etc/init.d/lvm restart |
| 01:58.09 | Dark-Fx | ok |
| 01:58.21 | GmLB | Dark-Fx, it worked! |
| 01:58.21 | chrismcdowell | I am trying to install a program called paparazzi but it keeps requesting and older dependency file |
| 01:58.33 | _mark | So, nobody here knows much about the system init files for Debian? |
| 01:58.45 | ttuttle | Still not there. |
| 01:58.53 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: make sure you can mount the partitions |
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| 01:59.22 | AndrewJackson | I'm having trouble installing Debian on my Tandy. |
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| 01:59.31 | slapfaceware | what's lvm |
| 01:59.32 | Dark-Fx | If that works, mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdb1 |
| 01:59.35 | Dark-Fx | should do it |
| 01:59.43 | Dark-Fx | slapfaceware: Logical Volume Manager |
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| 02:00.06 | GmLB_ | So my system crashed as soon as I tried to add /dev/sdb |
| 02:00.12 | AndrewJackson | I have a 25 MHz 486 CPU with a 3.5 floppy drive, 5.25 floppy drive, and no CD-ROM. |
| 02:00.31 | slapfaceware | total garbage |
| 02:00.34 | Dark-Fx | GmLB: when it comes back up, try to run badblocks /dev/sdb |
| 02:00.38 | AndrewJackson | I have 16 MB of RAM. |
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| 02:00.46 | slapfaceware | give me $20 bucks i'll take it away |
| 02:00.53 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: fucking disks... |
| 02:00.56 | AndrewJackson | The Debian install won't start! |
| 02:01.04 | Dark-Fx | GmLB_: Again, I've been there :-P |
| 02:01.07 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: thanks for the help man, I apprecaiate it. |
| 02:01.16 | Kevin` | AndrewJackson bootstrap it from another system |
| 02:01.17 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: I'd be pretty frusted without some expert guidance |
| 02:01.27 | AndrewJackson | Okay. |
| 02:01.30 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: frustrated* even |
| 02:01.35 | AndrewJackson | Is 16 MB enough? |
| 02:01.45 | simonrvn | ttuttle: did you update after adding the multimedia repo in? |
| 02:01.47 | Kevin` | AndrewJackson should be able to get it to work, yes |
| 02:01.49 | Dark-Fx | I had a really stupid issue where every time I rebooted, the UUID on two of the drives would change |
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| 02:01.54 | AndrewJackson | I have a 12 inch CRT monitor. |
| 02:02.04 | ttuttle | simonrvn: Yes. |
| 02:02.11 | Kevin` | AndrewJackson the system does have a hard drive, right? |
| 02:02.28 | Dark-Fx | In RAID5, that means I *can't* get the array back... I had to re-create the array every time and use --assume-clean and cross my fingers |
| 02:02.39 | AndrewJackson | Kevin`: No. |
| 02:02.59 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: The system just locked up again on boot into gdm |
| 02:03.00 | AndrewJackson | I had a 30 MB drive but it died. |
| 02:03.07 | Kevin` | Andrew_G5 where do you intend to put the root filesystem |
| 02:03.19 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: I'm scared |
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| 02:03.23 | Dark-Fx | GmLB_: :(, try single user mode? |
| 02:03.26 | simonrvn | ttuttle: shows here (in sid) |
| 02:03.26 | AndrewJackson | Kevin`: Floppy A: |
| 02:03.27 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: yeah |
| 02:03.30 | ttuttle | simonrvn: Hmm. |
| 02:03.40 | ttuttle | simonrvn: What's the package name? vlc? |
| 02:03.52 | simonrvn | Filename: pool/main/v/vlc/vlc_0.8.6.c-3_i386.deb |
| 02:03.54 | simonrvn | yup |
| 02:03.59 | ttuttle | simonrvn: Oh, it's in pool. |
| 02:04.03 | simonrvn | vlc, and vlc-nox |
| 02:04.03 | AndrewJackson | I also have a ZIP DRIVE!!! |
| 02:04.17 | jetscreamer | there is no vlc |
| 02:04.21 | jetscreamer | it's vapourware |
| 02:04.24 | AndrewJackson | I tried to install Slackware but the EFnet #slackware guys told me ot fuck off! |
| 02:04.25 | Dark-Fx | Were you getting any panic messages to your tty? or was it just hard rebooting? |
| 02:04.27 | jetscreamer | english vapourware |
| 02:04.36 | AndrewJackson | So I can bootstrap it? |
| 02:04.42 | ttuttle | Ah, pool works. |
| 02:04.44 | ttuttle | AndrewJackson: lol |
| 02:04.52 | simonrvn | AndrewJackson: o_O |
| 02:04.56 | AndrewJackson | Does Debian installer support my Hayes serial 2400 bps modem? |
| 02:04.57 | Kevin` | AndrewJackson zip drive would probably be enough |
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| 02:05.02 | Dark-Fx | AndrewJackson: Without a hard drive, I think your only option is to boot off of the floppy disks |
| 02:05.03 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: whats the mdadm stop array command again? |
| 02:05.04 | Kevin` | AndrewJackson Yes. |
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| 02:05.11 | Dark-Fx | mdadm --stop /dev/md0 |
| 02:05.12 | simonrvn | !rube goldberg install |
| 02:05.13 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 02:05.24 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: its' rebuilding, how can I force it? --force? |
| 02:05.32 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: is it safe to force it to stop during a rebuild |
| 02:05.42 | AndrewJackson | dpkg: STFU this is all welfare would give me. |
| 02:05.43 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP this is all welfare would give me.! |
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| 02:05.55 | simonrvn | andrew jackson (the prez) was a psycho |
| 02:05.59 | ttuttle | Wow, what is with this channel? |
| 02:06.00 | Dark-Fx | well, so long as /dev/sdb is the drive that's out right now, I'd say yes |
| 02:06.02 | cafuego | AndrewJackson: No, the installer doesn't support it. However, the kernel does. |
| 02:06.15 | AndrewJackson | Andrew Jackson opposed the evil Federal Reserve. |
| 02:06.19 | simonrvn | ttuttle: it's called a troll |
| 02:06.28 | ttuttle | simonrvn: It just seems more common here than other channels. |
| 02:06.33 | simonrvn | fed. res. didn't exist when he was prez... |
| 02:06.41 | simonrvn | moron |
| 02:06.44 | AndrewJackson | Help me install! :( |
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| 02:06.47 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: hmm, what's the safe way to determine which drive is out? |
| 02:06.53 | cafuego | AndrewJackson: Insert CD, boot, enjoy. |
| 02:06.59 | AndrewJackson | simonrvn: Fuck you. He opposed such a system being created. |
| 02:07.01 | Kevin` | AndrewJackson you will have to be creative to install linux on that computer. perhaps put it on the zip drive using another computer so it's in a bootable state when you first start it |
| 02:07.09 | Dark-Fx | Let me fail a drive on one of mine and see, I don't really remember |
| 02:07.16 | simonrvn | AndrewJackson: he was a genocidal maniac |
| 02:07.16 | AndrewJackson | cafecubita: I have an external SCSI CD-ROM but I have no port for it! |
| 02:07.24 | AndrewJackson | simonrvn: Sorry. |
| 02:07.46 | AndrewJackson | Right now I have Windows 286. |
| 02:07.50 | cafuego | AndrewJackson: Then I suggest you go looking for free hardware until you have something that's actually useable. Be it a scsi card or a pile of floppy disks. |
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| 02:07.55 | Kevin` | can you use a console on a usb dot-matrix printer, or only on parallel? |
| 02:08.21 | plediii | Does anyone know how to get past the unmet dependency problem of python-scipy in apt? |
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| 02:08.31 | simonrvn | right now i suggest /ignore AndrewJackson |
| 02:08.34 | ttuttle | Kevin`: Probably parallel only. |
| 02:08.35 | AndrewJackson | I called Radio Shack and they told me no. |
| 02:08.35 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 02:08.36 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 02:08.38 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: yeah mdadm --detail shows sdb1 is rebuilding |
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| 02:08.42 | ttuttle | simonrvn: Does anyone kick people from here? |
| 02:08.47 | AndrewJackson | Radio Shack hung up on me on the phone. |
| 02:08.51 | cafuego | AndrewJackson: Go to the shop and shoot them. |
| 02:08.51 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: but stop force didn't work :-\ |
| 02:08.51 | jetscreamer | yes ttuttle |
| 02:08.55 | simonrvn | ttuttle: sure, !ops reason |
| 02:09.04 | AndrewJackson | So you won't help me? |
| 02:09.18 | cafuego | AndrewJackson: I'm not amedical professional, so I probably shouldn't. |
| 02:09.22 | Kevin` | AndrewJackson you've been given information to do this |
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| 02:09.38 | Kevin` | AndrewJackson if your not experienced with linux, it isn't worth it |
| 02:09.39 | ttuttle | Yay! |
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| 02:10.27 | GeorgeWBush2008 | Hi. |
| 02:10.34 | simonrvn | here we go again |
| 02:10.40 | GeorgeWBush2008 | I had a question about Debian install. |
| 02:10.54 | simonrvn | GeorgeWBush2008: right, on floppies and you have windows 286, right? |
| 02:10.58 | GeorgeWBush2008 | No. |
| 02:11.02 | ameyer | AndrewJackson: what's the question? |
| 02:11.07 | GeorgeWBush2008 | I heard Debian runs on Macs. |
| 02:11.12 | ameyer | erm, GeorgeWBush2008 |
| 02:11.17 | Kevin` | some macs, yes |
| 02:11.18 | cafuego | !ops GeorgeWBush2008 trolling moron |
| 02:11.18 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cafuego complains about: GeorgeWBush2008 trolling moron |
| 02:11.22 | GeorgeWBush2008 | I have some different older Macs. |
| 02:11.48 | Ithiel | j #debian-br |
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| 02:11.52 | Ithiel | ops |
| 02:11.59 | GeorgeWBush2008 | Woah, I just got here. Don't call me a moron. |
| 02:12.10 | GeorgeWBush2008 | Does Debian support 68k Macs. |
| 02:12.12 | GeorgeWBush2008 | ? |
| 02:12.15 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:12.16 | dondelelcaro | GeorgeWBush2008: yes. |
| 02:12.18 | ricky | Hmm.. I wonder what the "):" part was about. |
| 02:12.23 | ameyer | AndrewJackson: sure you did... |
| 02:12.35 | cafuego | GeorgeWBush2008: You can change nicknames, but the hostname doesn't change, we can all see you're the same guy. |
| 02:12.40 | GeorgeWBush2008 | Okay, I have a Macintosh LC II with a 16 MHz 68030 CPU and 6 MB of RAM and System 7. |
| 02:12.41 | ameyer | we can see your IP, we know it's you |
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| 02:12.49 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: ah, lvm was keeping it busy, i manage to stop the rebuild now |
| 02:12.51 | ann^^ | sshd seems to disconnect after prolonged inactivity. is there a way to disable this behavior, either system-wide or (preferably) by-user? |
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| 02:13.03 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: I'm going to run badblocks on /dev/sdb, maybe I should try dd-ing the whole thing too? |
| 02:13.05 | simonrvn | thank you don |
| 02:13.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:13.23 | simonrvn | GROUP HUG! |
| 02:13.27 | Dark-Fx | GmLB_: badblocks should pretty much cover that |
| 02:13.59 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: any options? I'm gunna run it in verbose mode |
| 02:14.07 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: will it erase the whole disk? |
| 02:14.13 | Dark-Fx | I don't usually give options. |
| 02:14.35 | Dark-Fx | I don't think it writes any data |
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| 02:15.13 | Dark-Fx | But it was rebuilding after the reboot without crashing? |
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| 02:15.30 | chrismcdowell | I have an issue with dependencies for installing paparazzi-bin. It is looking for xml-light-ocaml and ivy-ocaml. When I try to install both of those they require older versions of ocaml-nox. Is there a way to make it recognize the newer ocaml-nox version? |
| 02:15.58 | loupgaroublond | where is vlc in lenny? |
| 02:16.14 | simonrvn | ttuttle: trolls come to the largest channels. they need an audience |
| 02:16.16 | Dark-Fx | chrismcdowell: when did you last update? |
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| 02:16.38 | simonrvn | loupgaroublond: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 02:16.39 | chrismcdowell | update my debian install? |
| 02:17.00 | Dark-Fx | chrismcdowell: ran apt-get update or aptitude update, etc |
| 02:17.13 | linuxtk10 | how cna i prevent people from breaking out of chroots ? |
| 02:17.15 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: Yeah, I have a feeling maybe my nvidia card caused this... 'cause the system started crashing a lot after I installed the nvidia drivers |
| 02:17.20 | linuxtk10 | anyone got any extra measures i can take |
| 02:17.29 | Dark-Fx | x64? |
| 02:17.36 | GarryFre | You are a moron Bush! /joking |
| 02:17.38 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: yeah |
| 02:17.46 | Dark-Fx | what's your kernel version? |
| 02:17.54 | chrismcdowell | I have never updated anything. I downloaded debian install cd from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ earlier today |
| 02:18.01 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: 2.6.21-2 |
| 02:18.05 | jetscreamer | GmLB_: you did it wrong if it really is the nvidia driver's fault |
| 02:18.07 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 02:18.14 | jetscreamer | .21 doesn't work w/o recompiling |
| 02:18.24 | jetscreamer | paravirt_ops |
| 02:18.34 | jetscreamer | use .18 .22 or recompile |
| 02:18.36 | Dark-Fx | I had bad luck with Nvidia, x64, and 2.6.19 - .21 |
| 02:18.38 | GmLB_ | jetscreamer: It did work, and didn't recompile the kernel? |
| 02:18.53 | Dark-Fx | Crashing, nasty lockup bugs |
| 02:19.06 | Dark-Fx | 2.6.22 and 2.6.18 were much happier |
| 02:19.17 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: ah! |
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| 02:19.51 | loupgaroublond | simonrvn, thanks |
| 02:19.53 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: 2.6.22 isn't in lenny yet though? |
| 02:19.58 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: would you recommend using unstable? |
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| 02:20.03 | Dark-Fx | you sure? |
| 02:20.07 | jetscreamer | no and no |
| 02:20.08 | Dark-Fx | lenny == sid == unstable |
| 02:20.11 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: apt-cache doesn't show it? |
| 02:20.15 | jetscreamer | and no |
| 02:20.20 | jetscreamer | testing is lenny |
| 02:20.26 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: lenny is testing, i thought? |
| 02:20.31 | Dark-Fx | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.32 | Dark-Fx | lenny/sid |
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| 02:20.41 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: true, but what does that mean? |
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| 02:20.47 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: I mean is it truely unstable? |
| 02:20.48 | jetscreamer | it works for either |
| 02:20.51 | jetscreamer | same file |
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| 02:20.56 | Dark-Fx | I've never had a problem with unstable |
| 02:21.02 | jetscreamer | not yet |
| 02:21.06 | Dark-Fx | Well, no more so than stable |
| 02:21.08 | jetscreamer | you will |
| 02:21.10 | chrismcdowell | Dark-Fx: I have never updated anything. I downloaded debian install cd from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ earlier today. |
| 02:21.15 | ttuttle | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee debian rocks! |
| 02:21.30 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: So would you recommend installing 2.6.22 on lenny or upgrading to unstable? |
| 02:21.59 | jetscreamer | on lenny |
| 02:22.04 | Dark-Fx | Up to you, you could always go the 2.6.22 from sources route |
| 02:22.05 | linuxtk10 | anyone about my chroot breakout problem ? |
| 02:22.18 | jetscreamer | you can just recompile .21 |
| 02:22.33 | ttuttle | I have a friend with Ubuntu, and his software suspend doesn't work. He's got the *same* laptop! |
| 02:22.41 | jetscreamer | or use source from sid |
| 02:22.51 | jetscreamer | you can probably use a sid kernel but i can't swear |
| 02:22.58 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 02:22.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 02:24.14 | abrotman | ttuttle: that's a secret! |
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| 02:25.02 | cTATUK | Does anyone know of an existing program or add-on to a program which will start playing an audio stream at a specified alarm time? |
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| 02:25.34 | chrismcdowell | Dark-Fx: Do you know of a way to fix the dependency issue? |
| 02:25.36 | Dark-Fx | cTATUK: cron? |
| 02:25.53 | keith4_ | what's the idea behind cups-pdf? |
| 02:25.57 | Dark-Fx | chrismcdowell: are you using Debian Etch? |
| 02:25.59 | Gnu_Raiz | so what is good software for ms project in open source |
| 02:26.08 | chrismcdowell | yes |
| 02:26.45 | Dark-Fx | chrismcdowell: maybe try to build the packages from source |
| 02:27.02 | Dark-Fx | apt-get --build source <package> |
| 02:27.03 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: mr_project .. which has a new name now |
| 02:27.34 | chrismcdowell | Dark-Fx: and do that for the xml-light-ocaml and ivy-ocaml? |
| 02:27.46 | GmLB_ | Dark-Fx: Alright thanks for the help, i'm gunna let badblocks run and come back later |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: now called planner |
| 02:28.11 | cTATUK | Dark-Fx: Is there a GUI front-end to cron? |
| 02:28.20 | Gnu_Raiz | taking a project management class that wants to use ms project. but I have never used it. |
| 02:28.30 | Dark-Fx | cTATUK: wouldn't know, I avoid GUI's like the plauge |
| 02:28.31 | Gnu_Raiz | don't plan on ever using it. |
| 02:28.33 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 02:28.34 | dpkg | i guess search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 02:30.06 | Gnu_Raiz | I use apt-cache all the time, but I figured someone would know. |
| 02:30.51 | abrotman | Gnu_Raiz: i already told you |
| 02:30.52 | keith4_ | open workbench maybe |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | maybe Gnu_Raiz has me on /ig |
| 02:31.18 | Gnu_Raiz | I know, but someone referenced me |
| 02:31.33 | Gnu_Raiz | to use apt search function. |
| 02:31.38 | keith4_ | i've never used "project"... but this looks similar http://www.openworkbench.org/ |
| 02:32.02 | Gnu_Raiz | I could probably use emacs, outline mode. |
| 02:32.21 | Dark-Fx | Gnu_Raiz: abrotman had answered you. "mr_project .. which has a new name now. now called planner" |
| 02:32.31 | Gnu_Raiz | or find .el that might have something else. |
| 02:32.54 | hardcampa | emacswiki ftw |
| 02:33.20 | simonrvn | hardcampa: yeh :D |
| 02:33.37 | simonrvn | Gnu_Raiz: outline or muse |
| 02:33.38 | hardcampa | although their Debian install guide didn't work, so I had to simply compile emacs |
| 02:33.44 | hardcampa | 22.1 that is |
| 02:33.50 | simonrvn | hardcampa: sec |
| 02:34.01 | xshad | is there a way to mount ufs partitions on debian ? |
| 02:34.08 | xshad | r-w mode |
| 02:34.17 | Gnu_Raiz | thanks, anthing is better than MS stuff. |
| 02:34.34 | Gnu_Raiz | especially if I have to learn it anyway. |
| 02:34.44 | simonrvn | hardcampa: # emacs snapshot\ndeb http://emacs.orebokech.com sid main\ndeb-src http://emacs.orebokech.com sid main |
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| 02:34.54 | hardcampa | I've tried both those |
| 02:35.00 | hardcampa | amd64 here and well they don't work |
| 02:35.17 | hardcampa | Doesn't matter now anyway. I'm fetchng .el scripts by hand and configuring |
| 02:35.19 | simonrvn | ah |
| 02:35.21 | hardcampa | thanks anyway |
| 02:35.25 | simonrvn | np |
| 02:36.32 | simonrvn | *sigh* another fat source tar ball.... |
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| 02:38.15 | Gnu_Raiz | what do you mean by fat, not bz2, or something just curious. |
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| 02:38.41 | simonrvn | about the same size as a kernel tarball |
| 02:38.56 | simonrvn | Get:2 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main cinelerra 2.1.0~svn20070827-0.0 (tar) [36.6MB] # bit less actually |
| 02:39.05 | Gnu_Raiz | ouch, now I know what you mean. |
| 02:39.47 | Gnu_Raiz | any reason you really need cinelerra. |
| 02:40.04 | simonrvn | wanna try it, and yeh there is actually =) |
| 02:40.33 | Cripps | cinelerra looks like fun ... unfortunately the recommended specs are really high :/ |
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| 02:41.00 | Gnu_Raiz | my comps wont play nice with mplayer. |
| 02:41.16 | simonrvn | meh, don't matter to me, i'm not a pro |
| 02:41.31 | Cripps | :) |
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| 02:41.41 | G-Ryan | Hey, I just was going through a software update, something had a corrupted archive then I got a message to do a "sudo apt-get -f" because it was impossible to install files. |
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| 02:41.50 | Cripps | simonrvn, you don't need to be a pro, as long as you like playing ;) |
| 02:41.54 | G-Ryan | sudo apt-get -f results in a Segmentation faulty tree... 50% |
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| 02:42.01 | G-Ryan | Any ideas? |
| 02:42.02 | Gnu_Raiz | 600 mhz, too slow for some avi's |
| 02:42.51 | Cripps | G-Ryan, try doing "apt-get clean all; apt-get update; apt-get install --fix-missing" and then doing the update again. |
| 02:43.08 | G-Ryan | Cripps: Will do |
| 02:43.25 | Cripps | Gnea, how much RAM do you have and what kind of video card are you running? |
| 02:44.17 | G-Ryan | Cripps: Segmentation faulty tree... 50% |
| 02:44.31 | Cripps | Gnu_Raiz, that last message was meant for you :/ |
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| 02:44.54 | simonrvn | might have to rm /var/lib/dpkg/available (or is it /var/lib ?) |
| 02:45.12 | G-Ryan | simonrvn: Me? |
| 02:45.22 | simonrvn | uh hunh |
| 02:45.35 | Cripps | simonrvn, yeah, the first one is correct. |
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| 02:45.53 | simonrvn | er, second one i meant /var/cache =) hehhe |
| 02:46.02 | Gnu_Raiz | have a x20 thinkpad p3 600 mhz |
| 02:46.05 | Cripps | quarter after midnight ... I think I might go into work. |
| 02:46.26 | Cripps | Gnu_Raiz, didn't answer my question ;) |
| 02:46.45 | Gnu_Raiz | ati like 4 mb or something. |
| 02:47.08 | Cripps | Gnu_Raiz, if you have >128MB RAM and a half decent video card, you *should* be able to run anything well with mplayer ... you may need to use special options though. |
| 02:47.28 | Cripps | Gnu_Raiz, ah, yeah ... that *could* present a problem :P |
| 02:47.32 | simonrvn | Gnu_Raiz: p3/500 tnt2 16 mb, 256 mb ram hehe |
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| 02:47.44 | simonrvn | ancient history too =) |
| 02:47.50 | G-Ryan | simonrvn: I removed that and still get a 50% thing |
| 02:47.54 | Gnu_Raiz | it plays flash, but is a little choppy. |
| 02:48.28 | Cripps | simonrvn, hehehe ... I have a thinkpad pI 233, 64meg RAM and I've no idea what the video card is ... but it runs openbox :) |
| 02:48.39 | Cripps | ...slowly. |
| 02:48.47 | Bogus8 | are there any good reasons not to install AMD64 for a headless server (Samba/NAS, VPN) |
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| 02:48.59 | Cripps | ...although, that's not what I'm running now. |
| 02:49.10 | SamuraiDio | hi, i'm having problems to run timidity with alsa: |
| 02:49.12 | SamuraiDio | TiMidity starting in ALSA server mode |
| 02:49.12 | SamuraiDio | ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 02:49.12 | SamuraiDio | error in snd_seq_open |
| 02:49.15 | simonrvn | Bogus8: i would think not, unless something you want on it is still 32 bit |
| 02:49.17 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me? |
| 02:49.33 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: and it would have to be closed source for it to matter right? |
| 02:49.33 | Cripps | Bogus8, you should be good ... you only *really* run into issues with x86_64 when you'retrying to run flash or videos. |
| 02:49.44 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: a) use a pastebin site b) run sh /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 02:50.05 | simonrvn | Bogus8: no, say if xen was 32 bit only, or some such weirdness |
| 02:50.15 | simonrvn | Bogus8: er, strike that 'no' |
| 02:50.15 | Gnu_Raiz | http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X20 |
| 02:50.28 | Gnu_Raiz | 4mb ati card. |
| 02:50.33 | simonrvn | woo |
| 02:50.43 | Cripps | simonrvn, hahaha. |
| 02:50.48 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, ihaven't used a pastebin becouse its not much text... |
| 02:50.53 | jetscreamer | i have a T20 with 8mb savage |
| 02:51.11 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, and i dont have this doc |
| 02:51.14 | Cripps | alright, since I'm nuts, I'm going to work about 8.5 hours early. I'll be around in about 20 mins ;) |
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| 02:51.19 | Bogus8 | ok, simonrvn and Cripps, thanks for the thumbs up |
| 02:51.23 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: it's a script |
| 02:51.36 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, dont have it anyway |
| 02:51.38 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: creates the device files and directory |
| 02:51.39 | Cripps | Bogus8, no prob. I'm running amd64, and my only sacrifice is flash :) |
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| 02:51.45 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: you're missing stuff then |
| 02:51.45 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, what should this do? |
| 02:52.16 | Cripps | ...but that's mostly because Gnash isn't efficient enough yet :( |
| 02:52.16 | Bogus8 | Cripps: is that in the works even? I have a 64bit machine I have dual boot at my office but I haven't really ran it that much |
| 02:52.50 | Cripps | Bogus8, oh, you can get Gnash for x86_64, but I don't because my laptop has heat issues anyways. |
| 02:53.13 | Cripps | Bogus8, so flash isn't *entirely* a sacrifice, you can get it, I just choose not to :) |
| 02:53.20 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, like what? |
| 02:53.46 | simonrvn | alsa-base for instance... /msd dpkg search on how to find the alsa packages |
| 02:54.08 | Bogus8 | Cripps: gotcha... I'll keep that in mind when I get more time to play with my machine at work |
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| 02:54.42 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, i have alsa-base installed, and all necessary stuff to play songs here (through xine and gstreamer) |
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| 02:55.26 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: i'm sorry, wrong directory heh, /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | isn't there a snd-seq ? |
| 02:56.03 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, ahh, should i run it? |
| 02:56.22 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, as root? |
| 02:56.24 | jetscreamer | snd_seq_something iirc |
| 02:56.26 | cmanns | hmm |
| 02:56.27 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: actually, before you do, do you have udev installed? |
| 02:56.53 | SamuraiDio | yes, i think |
| 02:57.22 | cmanns | I tested my site on our sata 7200 drive and I tested it on our scsi 15k scsi drive and on the scsi drive its slower :(, what could cause this? We had mysql and www on the sata drive previously now we have them both on the scsi which I'd think would be much much quicker. |
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| 02:57.45 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, yes |
| 02:57.49 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: if you do just modprobe snd-seq and snd-seq-device |
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| 02:57.59 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: it'll auto-create them |
| 02:58.19 | jetscreamer | CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS |
| 02:58.20 | matthewgialich | hey can someone help me with a problem, im using knopttix and im trying to transpher files off a hard drive to my external hardrive, im booting from a live cd, but the external harddrive wont show up as an icon, can someone help |
| 02:58.24 | jetscreamer | thought so |
| 02:58.45 | simonrvn | SamuraiDio: and like jetscreamer said, do snd-seq-oss ;) |
| 02:58.48 | jetscreamer | !knoppix |
| 02:58.48 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unoffical: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-knoppix/ http://debian-knoppix.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 02:58.54 | keith4_ | does cups-pdf work with a remote pdf server? |
| 02:58.59 | SamuraiDio | simonrvn, tnx |
| 02:59.05 | matthewgialich | no one is in the knoppix room |
| 02:59.09 | matthewgialich | that s why im asking here |
| 02:59.11 | simonrvn | !room |
| 02:59.12 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 02:59.15 | matthewgialich | if anyone could help me that would be great |
| 02:59.27 | cmanns | you have to mount it |
| 02:59.27 | jetscreamer | are you trying to save your debian? |
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| 02:59.49 | matthewgialich | cmanns: how do i do that im not a inux guy |
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| 03:00.47 | mick_laptop | hi everyone |
| 03:00.57 | mick_laptop | has anyone gotten usbmount to actually work? |
| 03:01.00 | simonrvn | i'm not high |
| 03:01.12 | simonrvn | dunno, haven't tried it |
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| 03:01.21 | mick_laptop | i'm reading the readme and there is nothing that says i need to do anything special |
| 03:01.42 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: hehe |
| 03:01.43 | mick_laptop | simonrvn: how do you mount usb drives? |
| 03:01.51 | simonrvn | manually |
| 03:03.06 | mick_laptop | do you do: dmesg | tail | grep "sd"; mount /dev/sd$whatever /media/usb_drive |
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| 03:03.56 | jetscreamer | mount -t auto /dev/flashdrivethingy /mnt/mountplacethingy |
| 03:04.01 | cmanns | yea |
| 03:04.13 | zooted_ | What is the procedure for re-detecting hardware in Debian? I have stale ethernet interface information in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistant-net.rules. Can the file be regenerated automatically, or must I edit it manually? |
| 03:04.17 | simonrvn | dmesg | less ; pgdn; read |
| 03:04.32 | simonrvn | or -t auto if i'm feeling lazy |
| 03:05.02 | simonrvn | :D |
| 03:05.03 | jetscreamer | err efficient |
| 03:05.08 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 03:05.24 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: you can just edit it manually. The hardware is already detected. |
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| 03:05.39 | mick_laptop | # mount -t auto /dev/sda5 /media/usb-drive/ |
| 03:05.40 | mick_laptop | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 03:05.43 | DawnLight | why no opera in debian? |
| 03:05.53 | mick_laptop | try non-free |
| 03:06.02 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: because it's not free software and it's not clear that we could distribute it anyway. |
| 03:06.07 | simonrvn | DawnLight: non-free, very. not in debian's non-free either |
| 03:06.10 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: they distribute .debs if you really want to use it. |
| 03:06.24 | zooted_ | dondelelcaro: I am moving the disk to a new machine with a different config. Manually editing i my best bet? |
| 03:06.28 | simonrvn | DawnLight: you have your choice of distro, and version |
| 03:06.30 | zooted_ | is/ |
| 03:06.37 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: or just truncate the file |
| 03:06.48 | jetscreamer | a flashdrive would not be sda5 |
| 03:06.49 | simonrvn | ugh, "differ in signedness" warnings... |
| 03:06.59 | mick_laptop | # mount -t ntfs /dev/sda5 /media/usb-drive |
| 03:07.00 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: well, it could be |
| 03:07.01 | mick_laptop | mount: /dev/sda5 already mounted or /media/usb-drive busy |
| 03:07.11 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: mine shows as sd* |
| 03:07.19 | abrotman | DawnLight: /msg dpkg opera apt |
| 03:07.20 | jetscreamer | an extended partition on a usb stick?? |
| 03:07.21 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 03:07.24 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: sure, why not? |
| 03:07.26 | kritical | Hi there, I keep hitting Ctrl+S by accident in the GUI Terminal... can anyone tell me why this keeps freezing vim? (Or potentially... how to unfreeze it) |
| 03:07.31 | DawnLight | not open source this opera thing? |
| 03:07.32 | jetscreamer | why |
| 03:07.37 | jetscreamer | but ok |
| 03:07.37 | abrotman | kritical: ctrl-q |
| 03:07.39 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: no, it's not. |
| 03:07.45 | DawnLight | hmm... |
| 03:07.55 | kritical | abrotman, ahh thanks! any idea what that does? |
| 03:07.58 | dondelelcaro | kritical: you're sending XOFF; it's pretty normal. Stop sending ^S and you'll be happier. ;-) |
| 03:07.58 | abrotman | suspend |
| 03:08.05 | abrotman | roughly |
| 03:08.15 | kritical | dondelelcaro, ahh thanks ;) |
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| 03:08.39 | abrotman | it's much harder when you've been working in a win32 editor that uses ctrl-s to save .. and then you switch to vim |
| 03:08.41 | mick_laptop | jetscreamer: well i have: # ls /dev/sd* |
| 03:08.42 | mick_laptop | /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda5 |
| 03:08.58 | simonrvn | ^x^s |
| 03:09.03 | simonrvn | ducks |
| 03:09.04 | dondelelcaro | yeah... the alternative is to use emacs... which knows how to deal with ^s. |
| 03:09.07 | jetscreamer | isn't that your hd? |
| 03:09.11 | simonrvn | !shoot my typist |
| 03:09.14 | jetscreamer | but you know i don' |
| 03:09.14 | jetscreamer | t |
| 03:09.32 | simonrvn | ^s is searching ;) |
| 03:10.07 | DawnLight | i don't need this opera. if they freed it i would get it |
| 03:10.12 | mick_laptop | jetscreamer: the other thought is that it is /dev/hda |
| 03:10.17 | mick_laptop | # mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /media/shawn/ |
| 03:10.19 | mick_laptop | mount: No medium found |
| 03:10.31 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: uh... why guess? check dmesg |
| 03:10.35 | jetscreamer | it sure wouldn't be hda... hda1 maybe |
| 03:10.42 | jetscreamer | dmesg|less |
| 03:11.08 | Dark-Fx | dmesg|tail |
| 03:12.24 | mick_laptop | scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 03:12.25 | mick_laptop | usb-storage: device found at 5 |
| 03:12.27 | simonrvn | i'm getting to like emacs a lot... last time i tried it i stayed away, for years. now, i feel comfy in it |
| 03:12.32 | mick_laptop | i took that to mean sda5 |
| 03:12.41 | zooted_ | dondelelcaro: if I truncate the file, will new correct entries be generated? |
| 03:13.07 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: yes. |
| 03:13.08 | jetscreamer | mick_laptop: that probably means it's device 5 in the scsi chain |
| 03:13.19 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 03:13.27 | mick_laptop | :-/ |
| 03:13.28 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: though it's not like the entries that it's creating without truncating it aren't correct either. |
| 03:13.40 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: what you name a network interface matters not |
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| 03:14.53 | zooted_ | dondelelcaro: They are incorrect since they yield interface name (e.g. eth0) associations that I want to apply to different hardware. Right now those names seem to be unavailable. |
| 03:15.09 | mick_laptop | so how do you guys mount usb? |
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| 03:15.34 | mick_laptop | -t auto just workd for you? |
| 03:15.55 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: we know what device our usb stick is on, and then just mount it |
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| 03:16.36 | zooted_ | dondelelcaro: The names matter for my application. Too much would need to be rewritten, and I'm trying to maintain a degree of consistency across multiple boxes to simplify administration. |
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| 03:17.12 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: what exactly are you doing with these machines that the interfaces are changing so frequently? |
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| 03:17.27 | mick_laptop | can i just pastebin my dmesg -- and someone smack some sense into me? |
| 03:17.37 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: that'd be a start |
| 03:17.39 | mick_laptop | since i'm racking my brain here |
| 03:17.56 | Noborusan | hi guys |
| 03:18.07 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: but before you show us it, unplug the device and plug it back in, then wait 20 seconds and show us dmesg output. |
| 03:18.21 | Noborusan | does etch have a sorta apt source for fetching snort_inline ? |
| 03:18.26 | zooted_ | dondelelcaro: Building images on one machine and then moving the boot disk to another machine before deploying the box. I don't have local access to the hardware I am building to. |
| 03:18.36 | mick_laptop | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 03:18.47 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: then you want to just clear out the rules that the -generator* udev rules create |
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| 03:19.27 | dondelelcaro | (though assuming that a particular interface is a particular interface name is generally a bad idea0 |
| 03:20.37 | zooted_ | dondelelcaro: I will give it a shot. Thanks for the help. |
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| 03:23.11 | zooted_ | dondelelcaro: I am paring my way back to a simpler life by dropping Fedora from a bunch of machines. My Debian comfort level just isn't quite there yet. This install will hopefully become a CF booting NAS box using flashybrid. |
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| 03:26.05 | linuxtk10 | hey anyone here use nmap |
| 03:26.58 | dondelelcaro | linuxtk10: best to just ask your question |
| 03:27.15 | dondelelcaro | !anyone use |
| 03:27.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 03:27.55 | linuxtk10 | dondelelcaro: i need to have nap port scan all ports on a certain ip if its open i need to knwo about it |
| 03:28.36 | aFlag | lwhat legislation? |
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| 03:28.55 | linuxtk10 | dondelelcaro: you knwo the syntax well ? |
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| 03:29.35 | Joe7 | simonrvn: got kernel panic not syncing VFS Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block 9,4 after trying livecd and fix lilo..wdf? :/ |
| 03:29.47 | dondelelcaro | linuxtk10: so man nmap; an example is given in the EXAMPLES section, though you'll want something like -p- |
| 03:30.12 | dondelelcaro | linuxtk10: though if you're actually on the machine (which you should be if you're scanning it) netstat -plunt; will give you the answer that you actually want. |
| 03:30.22 | Kevin` | Joe7 what did you set root= to, the correct device? |
| 03:30.24 | simonrvn | Joe7: buggered initrd i'd guess, or you forgot to add the initrd= argument to lilo.conf |
| 03:30.36 | simonrvn | Joe7: or what Kevin` said |
| 03:31.43 | mick_laptop | i waited and now i reinserted the usb disk |
| 03:31.45 | mick_laptop | http://pastebin.ca/673080 |
| 03:32.04 | mick_laptop | if someone has ideas as to where it resides, i'd love to know |
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| 03:32.18 | mick_laptop | if i should paste the whole dmesg -- i can do that too |
| 03:32.25 | mick_laptop | or dmesg | grep usb |
| 03:33.10 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: just paste the last 100 or so lines |
| 03:33.41 | Joe7 | Kevin`, simonrvn: yep, root=md4, that should be okay |
| 03:34.00 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: that doesn't look like it actually configured the device. |
| 03:34.20 | Kevin` | Joe7 does the kernel assemble mtd4 properly? you should see it on boot |
| 03:34.30 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: there should be lines after the "device scan complete" which tells you which device the usb key is on. |
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| 03:35.08 | mick_laptop | ok - one culperit could be selinux |
| 03:35.50 | mick_laptop | http://pastebin.ca/673082 |
| 03:36.02 | mick_laptop | that is from dmesg | tail -n 100 |
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| 03:37.32 | simonrvn | mick_laptop: er |
| 03:37.49 | mick_laptop | SELinux: initialized (dev usbfs, type usbfs), uses genfs_contexts <--- hmmm |
| 03:37.53 | mick_laptop | that is in there when i `dmesg | grep usb` |
| 03:38.11 | simonrvn | see lines 82-87 |
| 03:38.23 | jmworx | I'm trying to build a kernel with make-kpkg and it's stuck near the end on: |
| 03:38.36 | jmworx | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.22.1-rt9-amd64' in `../linux-image-2.6.22.1-rt9-amd64_2.6.22.1-rt9-amd64-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb'. |
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| 03:38.59 | simonrvn | jmworx: it should finish eventually |
| 03:39.00 | mick_laptop | ok, i still can't fsck w/o knowing the drive |
| 03:39.03 | dondelelcaro | jmworx: are you sure that it's stuck? |
| 03:39.11 | dondelelcaro | ('cause that'll take a while) |
| 03:39.31 | mick_laptop | simonrvn: btw it mounts alright w/ OSX |
| 03:39.39 | simonrvn | jmworx: run top, you can see it doing stuff |
| 03:39.47 | jmworx | simonrvn: dondelelcaro: so far, it's eaten more than 5 minutes of CPU (Core 2 2.16 GHz) and has only produced 70 kB of the output file |
| 03:39.57 | dondelelcaro | jmworx: yeah, that's not all that unusual |
| 03:40.08 | simonrvn | mick_laptop: seems as if the ntfs driver isn't recognising it or something |
| 03:40.22 | jmworx | simonrvn: dpkg-deb is eating 100% CPU and has been for the past 6 minutes |
| 03:40.36 | dondelelcaro | jmworx: strace it if you're not sure what exactly it's doing. Odds are it's compressing |
| 03:40.42 | simonrvn | jmworx: don't worry about it |
| 03:41.06 | mick_laptop | ok, i tried in osx -- it now can't read and my drive is hot as hell |
| 03:41.13 | mick_laptop | i'll unplug and just wait |
| 03:41.32 | mick_laptop | i wanted to wipe this drive :-/ |
| 03:41.56 | troubled | mick_laptop: how many rpm is the drive anyways? |
| 03:41.57 | Joe7 | Kevin`: it's way too fast, I can't really see it, and due to kernel panic it freezes. I see 'no filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3,ext2,romfs' above it and 'ext3-fs: unable to read superblock'..not sure if md4 is built, can't scroll :| |
| 03:42.14 | troubled | mick_laptop: ive had some 10k drives that I can cook an egg on without proper cooling |
| 03:42.15 | jmworx | simonrvn, dondelelcaro: OK, it's done now. I just don't quite understand why the final .deb is 180 MB! |
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| 03:42.33 | simonrvn | a lot of modules? ;) |
| 03:42.42 | troubled | sim, done.../nod |
| 03:42.46 | troubled | s/done/don/ |
| 03:42.51 | mick_laptop | troubled: yup this can cook something for sure |
| 03:42.55 | Kevin` | Joe7 would it be easy for you to set up a serial cable between the computer and another and log that way? |
| 03:42.59 | mick_laptop | not sure - high rpms i bet |
| 03:43.15 | troubled | mick_laptop: you don't have it in a case with lots of fans/cooling? |
| 03:43.37 | mick_laptop | on my bed, no case/cooling :) |
| 03:43.57 | mick_laptop | i'm using an ide usb adapter to read on my laptops |
| 03:43.59 | troubled | mick_laptop: you might want to put a fan or somethhing on that. hd's arent meant to just sit there and burn up |
| 03:44.07 | mick_laptop | ya |
| 03:44.20 | simonrvn | hi troubled |
| 03:44.27 | Joe7 | Kevin`: serial cable? nah :/ rebooting with live-cd and trying to alter config..don't really know what to change though, looks good to me & arrays are mounted in knoppix, just can't boot :| |
| 03:44.37 | simonrvn | i gotta read up on what kind of drive space ccache soaks up... |
| 03:44.53 | Noborusan | snort is weird |
| 03:45.02 | Noborusan | i dont have a ids.conf file. |
| 03:45.07 | troubled | mick_laptop: worst case, turn it upside down, and put it on a cloth with ice cubes or something creative :) |
| 03:45.32 | dondelelcaro | jmworx: that's a little bit large; dpkg-deb -c will probably clue you into why it's so large. |
| 03:45.34 | mick_laptop | troubled: NO! i did that before -NOT good |
| 03:45.42 | mick_laptop | baaaad experience |
| 03:45.51 | Rusty1 | mick_laptop: does fdisk -l show any reference to the device? |
| 03:45.55 | troubled | mick_laptop: well, liquid is generally a no no, but so is letting it melt :) |
| 03:45.56 | dondelelcaro | liquid nitrogen? heh. |
| 03:46.05 | troubled | :) |
| 03:46.10 | mick_laptop | Rusty1: well i want to turn it off for a while |
| 03:46.27 | mick_laptop | i'll check another drive though |
| 03:46.30 | dondelelcaro | very few people have access to liquid N2, but if you do, it's great stuff. |
| 03:46.53 | mick_laptop | do i ask.... |
| 03:46.55 | mick_laptop | nah |
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| 03:47.44 | jmworx | dondelelcaro: Seems like all the modules are larger... maybe some debug stuff? |
| 03:47.45 | mick_laptop | someone once told me to put a hdd in a freezer to get it to boot |
| 03:47.58 | mick_laptop | he said NOTHING about putting it in a bag or something |
| 03:48.12 | dondelelcaro | jmworx: could be; without knowing what config options you selected, it's hard to say |
| 03:48.18 | troubled | hmmm, ahh. well, i would think that condensation would be an issue |
| 03:48.21 | mick_laptop | freezers are wet... wet == bad |
| 03:48.26 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: well, in a normal auto-defrost freezer it wouldn't be so bad. |
| 03:48.39 | jmworx | dondelelcaro: OK, I'll check... thanks |
| 03:48.52 | dondelelcaro | (since they're generally much drier than the surrouding air) |
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| 03:49.46 | troubled | mick_laptop: mind you, older stepper motor drives were bad for temp ages ago. ie: if you formated the hd on a hot humid day, you would get issues using it on cooler days, or when the drive is powered on for the first time after being off all night etc. |
| 03:50.19 | mick_laptop | hmm, no my controller is hot too |
| 03:50.21 | mick_laptop | sigh |
| 03:50.31 | mick_laptop | i think that may have something to do w/ it |
| 03:50.40 | mick_laptop | i tried a dvd in there on osx |
| 03:51.37 | zooted_ | aFlag: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/448 |
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| 03:53.14 | simonrvn | dvds always make things hot |
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| 03:53.36 | troubled | simonrvn: especially adult dvd's :) |
| 03:53.41 | simonrvn | i play a cd, and a dvd in a drive, the dvd makes it hotter (higher freq for the dvds) |
| 03:53.55 | simonrvn | i don't have any, but funny :) |
| 03:54.00 | troubled | ty |
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| 04:01.44 | omg0 | I keep getting the error: E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iceape/mozilla-browser_1.8+1.0.10~pre070720-0etch3_all.deb: Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 212.211.132.32 80] |
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| 04:02.28 | omg0 | I get that for other updates. Is there something wrong with this server or is there no such security server |
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| 04:05.35 | omg0 | !dpkg debian security server |
| 04:06.01 | troubled | thats the correct ip for security.d.o |
| 04:06.48 | simonrvn | omg0: no, that's right. try installing again |
| 04:07.12 | troubled | hmm, many debian packages have a tilde in the filename? |
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| 04:07.50 | snowbird | simonrvn, is old linxu laser worth fixing up via new tonrer or should i get newer fast laser |
| 04:07.52 | omg0 | So I need to run the whole installation again? |
| 04:08.14 | omg0 | aptitude install mozilla |
| 04:08.20 | troubled | snowbird: if you already have the laser, I would say its time for some freakin sharks |
| 04:08.31 | snowbird | what? |
| 04:08.37 | troubled | *zing* |
| 04:08.46 | snowbird | mean get 40 ppm one |
| 04:09.29 | omg0 | simonrvn, is there a backup security server? |
| 04:10.23 | troubled | omg0: dns shows 3 ip's for security.d.o here, so technically yes there is |
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| 04:12.58 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 04:13.18 | omg0 | I ran the installation again and it failed with same error |
| 04:13.36 | troubled | omg0: have you considered purging that package and just installing iceape-browser? |
| 04:13.46 | troubled | given that its only a meta package |
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| 04:14.20 | intelikey | iceape ? |
| 04:14.36 | omg0 | I think iceape is a part of the installation also |
| 04:14.55 | Bogus8 | anyone got a suggestion for a graphical diff program... there are a bunch in apt |
| 04:14.58 | troubled | intelikey: mozilla-browser is meta for iceape-browser (no idea) |
| 04:15.13 | troubled | intelikey: the package even states to remove it after you install it |
| 04:15.24 | intelikey | troubled ok. |
| 04:15.34 | troubled | "This package can be purged at anythime once the iceape-browser package has been installed." |
| 04:15.46 | Bogus8 | I exported a windows registry and want to compare it to a back up a I made previously and see what changes have been made |
| 04:15.57 | Bogus8 | regular diff is too hard for me to make out the output |
| 04:15.58 | troubled | not that it would solve his connection issue with s.d.o though |
| 04:16.34 | omg0 | the command to purge it would be: aptitude purge mozilla |
| 04:16.35 | troubled | Bogus8: how is windows registry a debian problem? |
| 04:16.50 | Bogus8 | troubled: it's not at all... I'm asking about debian graphical diff apps |
| 04:17.02 | jetscreamer | all lies |
| 04:17.11 | troubled | Bogus8: ahh, very sneaky use of debian support :) |
| 04:17.12 | Bogus8 | I'm just saying the purpose behind my need incase someone else has done a similar thing and knows what worked well for that task |
| 04:17.34 | Bogus8 | troubled: not at all.. if I was trying to be sneaky I woudln't have mentioned my intention |
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| 04:17.55 | Bogus8 | I have 5 debian machines and 1 windows machine and one that is dual boot |
| 04:18.33 | Bogus8 | everytime I've tried to use diff to see what is actually different I've had problems understanding the output |
| 04:18.44 | troubled | Bogus8: apt-cache search visual diff, for starters |
| 04:18.46 | simonrvn | wow, what a hog heheh |
| 04:18.56 | omg0 | I have 1 debian machine for my daughter and 1 windows machine for me with debian running on QEMU |
| 04:18.57 | Bogus8 | troubled: I've found a ton of them in apt-cache |
| 04:19.23 | Bogus8 | troubled: I was wondering if anyone had opinions of one vs another (hence why i mentioned my intentions) |
| 04:19.32 | omg0 | oh I thought everyone was telling about their windows machines |
| 04:20.02 | intelikey | i have 0 windows machines sorry |
| 04:20.14 | troubled | Bogus8: i know what you mean though. but thats just the nature of a diff. generally, < means its in the left file, and > means in the right file. But that doesnt tell you if its unique etc. You would need to grep out the uniq lines and then grep for them in the second file to determine what matches and what doesnt, if your looking for something more digestable |
| 04:20.16 | omg0 | I need windows machine |
| 04:20.19 | windyh | like a 12-step meeting? |
| 04:20.22 | Bogus8 | I wish I could but for work purposes I have to keep a couple windows machines |
| 04:20.24 | omg0 | Cant daytrade with Linux |
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| 04:20.47 | troubled | Bogus8: its ok, I am using windows to type this to you right now. |
| 04:21.10 | troubled | mind you, its over putty ssh to an irssi on a linux shell :) |
| 04:21.11 | omg0 | webex don't run on Linux either |
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| 04:21.52 | intelikey | what's daytrade and webex ? |
| 04:21.54 | intelikey | :) |
| 04:22.47 | omg0 | that's when you take your money and give it to the other gamblers on wall street or around the world because they seem to always have 1 up on you |
| 04:22.48 | intelikey | i'll stop trolling before i get pounced |
| 04:23.37 | intelikey | rms who ? |
| 04:23.40 | intelikey | :) |
| 04:24.08 | windyh | I've got a problem on etch - dma keeps shutting off on the dvd drive. I edited hdparm.conf so it's on after a fresh boot, but I have to check it before burning a disc, and it's frequently off. Syslog says something about irq timeout. Any ideas on what's causing this? |
| 04:24.13 | troubled | root mean square? ;p |
| 04:24.21 | omg0 | someone mentioned that I should purge mozilla? Is "aptitude purge mozilla" the command I would use to do that? |
| 04:24.46 | omg0 | no root means root |
| 04:25.10 | intelikey | i'm not root |
| 04:25.15 | omg0 | square means square or a number multiplied by itself |
| 04:25.21 | troubled | well, i personally still prefer apt-get remove --purge <pkgname> |
| 04:25.41 | intelikey | troubled now that's trolling |
| 04:26.34 | intelikey | and wonders where all the aptitude zealotts are |
| 04:26.51 | troubled | intelikey: now that's trolling |
| 04:26.51 | snowbird | yeah my laser printer is hp 5 8 ppm old one new is 20 ppm |
| 04:27.18 | intelikey | heh |
| 04:27.23 | windyh | snowbird, if the hp works, keep it |
| 04:27.35 | windyh | I've heard that the older ones were built better |
| 04:28.02 | snowbird | needs toner came out of school beat up prtty bad one roller shows we wear and if u over fil it jams |
| 04:28.08 | omg0 | so should I re-install iceweasel after the purge? |
| 04:28.09 | troubled | omg0: whichever you choose though. aptitude or apt-get to purge/remove it. just remove the mozilla-browser package though, not just mozilla |
| 04:28.11 | snowbird | new ones to fst dull colour |
| 04:28.23 | snowbird | windyh, new one faster |
| 04:28.49 | troubled | omg0: but it seems that your just installing random browser meta packages, so I will end this and leave you to your randomized existance :) |
| 04:29.28 | omg0 | troubled, I am trying to have a system that works properly |
| 04:29.29 | windyh | paper jams are an asspain |
| 04:29.35 | intelikey | sh: $RANDOM not set |
| 04:30.43 | troubled | omg0: the package i said to purge is a meta package. In other words, its really just a fake transitional package that's sole purpose is to depend on the real iceape-browser package. After everything is installed, its safe to remove meta packages. |
| 04:30.45 | onats | why debian vs. ubuntu? |
| 04:31.17 | troubled | omg0: although, I have no idea why its iceape in debian. I was under the impression it was icedove, but whatever you use is your business, so meh |
| 04:31.19 | snowbird | windyh, ass pain can be xx rated |
| 04:31.23 | snowbird | fun for some |
| 04:31.28 | windyh | lol |
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| 04:31.43 | snowbird | let me get my whip out cattle prod |
| 04:32.13 | snowbird | or my thermetor over door for check of sick pig next is scaple |
| 04:32.19 | lgc_ | Hi. Does anyone know an open-source curve digitizer? Like WinDig? |
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| 04:32.53 | snowbird | windyh, i today did 1 pig evey 2 minites for let say ouch job did 500 today |
| 04:33.39 | windyh | huh? |
| 04:33.58 | troubled | don't ask :/ |
| 04:33.58 | snowbird | castarated pigs today did 500 |
| 04:34.09 | windyh | I don't want to know about that |
| 04:34.16 | snowbird | you asked |
| 04:34.58 | intelikey | snowbird what company you grow for ? |
| 04:35.03 | snowbird | there is 5000 in that barn done 5 rooms today |
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| 04:35.08 | snowbird | family farm |
| 04:35.12 | XJih78 | i have trouble moving the old boot partition to a new one |
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| 04:35.20 | XJih78 | i mkfs.ext3 the new boot partition and then try to install grub on it but it wouldn't recognize it. |
| 04:35.42 | snowbird | intelikey, sell to pork board |
| 04:35.51 | intelikey | ah ok. |
| 04:36.03 | intelikey | just curious. |
| 04:36.03 | Joe7 | anyone wants to grab a $50 bounty? I'm pretty lost with a lilo/boot problem :| |
| 04:36.06 | snowbird | i am vet/mech as need be |
| 04:36.22 | snowbird | lilo was boot of floppy last i used it |
| 04:36.26 | troubled | XJih78: why would you install grub on a partition and not the mbr anyways? or did you mean something completely different than what you said, like, you mean to move it to a new _drive_ and it wont recognize that? |
| 04:36.37 | snowbird | let me go grab my old p 50 lap top |
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| 04:37.07 | XJih78 | "you mean to move it to a new _drive_ and it wont recognize that?" yes. |
| 04:37.56 | troubled | XJih78: ah, ok. thats a little different :) is it pata or sata? what command have you tried so far etc. give us the background, im sure someone can help |
| 04:38.11 | troubled | i can't make any promises until I see all the info |
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| 04:38.44 | snowbird | intelikey, wer u from? |
| 04:38.53 | troubled | thats the problem with being a techie who solves everything via intuition, it only works for myself ;) |
| 04:39.14 | intelikey | i hail from parts unknown, and report to the middle of nowhere |
| 04:39.46 | XJih78 | troubled, it's sata. i've created the new partition and mkfs.ext3 it. |
| 04:40.09 | troubled | XJih78: so there is no problem access the drive. its just grub thats having the issue? |
| 04:40.24 | snowbird | like usa? iam 600 miles noth of somewere in middle of 12000 achre farm were 3 5000 hog barns stand |
| 04:40.51 | troubled | XJih78: what command did you use to install (or attempt) grub? |
| 04:41.00 | intelikey | yeah when the wind is right i can smell that place |
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| 04:41.35 | snowbird | oh i cant smell it wind or none no smell |
| 04:41.35 | onats | babuyan? |
| 04:41.58 | snowbird | if i pump pit it smells or if in open cab tractor spreading i smell it |
| 04:41.58 | Bogus8 | guess I should remember to pay my cable bill ;) |
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| 04:42.19 | intelikey | i bet you do.. |
| 04:42.22 | intelikey | ;/ |
| 04:42.31 | XJih78 | the boot partition is /dev/sda1 so i tried: |
| 04:42.32 | XJih78 | root (hd0,1) |
| 04:42.32 | XJih78 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:42.35 | troubled | Bogus8: is that the root cause? :) |
| 04:42.44 | Bogus8 | of my disconnect ;) |
| 04:42.51 | intelikey | (hd0,0) |
| 04:42.55 | XJih78 | i'm with lvm |
| 04:43.04 | XJih78 | ok. will try that. |
| 04:43.06 | snowbird | intelikey, hada chain break today down the well had to pump dry climb down to weld darn gear smelled perty |
| 04:43.28 | XJih78 | success :) |
| 04:43.38 | troubled | :) |
| 04:43.39 | snowbird | good |
| 04:43.58 | troubled | XJih78: ya, grub being zero based seems to be a gotcha for some |
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| 04:44.34 | bullgard4 | What is the function of the file /etc/inputrc? "global inputrc for libreadline" does not make it clear to me. |
| 04:44.36 | XJih78 | yes. now i'll read about how to make an initrd :) |
| 04:44.41 | snowbird | intelikey, |
| 04:44.52 | G-Ryan | Can someone pastebin me their /etc/apt/available ? Something happened to mine... |
| 04:44.57 | XJih78 | one more question. do you need an initrd image with the same kernel you're using? |
| 04:44.58 | intelikey | yes |
| 04:45.02 | liable | something eh? |
| 04:45.18 | snowbird | hey liable |
| 04:45.21 | G-Ryan | I don't want to talk about it |
| 04:45.26 | XJih78 | damn! :( |
| 04:45.29 | snowbird | yeah works dont for know |
| 04:45.37 | Noborusan | someone wants to hack my server :( |
| 04:45.39 | liable | hey snowbird |
| 04:45.41 | troubled | XJih78: well, a stock kernel needs an initrd, and ships with one for use in grub. but if you were to compile your own kernel with everything important like disk/fs compiled in, then you dont need one |
| 04:45.58 | liable | Noborusan: thats life on an internet facing box |
| 04:46.01 | snowbird | liable, found a cool server today |
| 04:46.03 | intelikey | Noborusan sorry not me, i'm busy on someone elses |
| 04:46.04 | windyh | XJih78: if you compile the debian way, it'll make the initrd when you install the kernel |
| 04:46.06 | Noborusan | liable, but it is very strange |
| 04:46.16 | liable | Noborusan: why so? |
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| 04:46.27 | Noborusan | liable, please let me explain a bit |
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| 04:46.30 | snowbird | 2nd intell mobo blew sata channel 4 gigs ram freebie |
| 04:46.41 | XJih78 | ok. can i install a generic kernel from an ubuntu live cd with chroot ? :) |
| 04:46.44 | snowbird | works fine on pci card |
| 04:46.54 | Noborusan | liable,i have a client who uses my webhosting services, he runs a forum |
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| 04:47.10 | Noborusan | liable, i have once registered on his forum using the name 'netboy' |
| 04:47.28 | windyh | XJih78: I don't know, but it sounds interesting |
| 04:47.39 | XJih78 | i will try :) |
| 04:47.50 | Noborusan | liable, now,in the log file on my server, shows that he tried to use this name 'netboy' to do stuff like /CMD_SHOW_USER |
| 04:48.05 | windyh | I was wondering if I could pull a kernel from lenny and run it in etch |
| 04:48.28 | liable | Noborusan: and what makes you think thats not normal? |
| 04:49.07 | liable | Noborusan: which logs is this in? |
| 04:49.09 | Noborusan | liable, well,i am curious that now i know he IS very intrested in my server ,so that he does track my action,i.e. he knows it is me who has signed on his forum ,but this thing is weird,in the log file,i find many logging attemptions from My IP,this is so strange |
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| 04:49.37 | omg0 | what's the difference between IceApe Navigator or IceApe Suite |
| 04:49.41 | troubled | liable: actually, that does raise alarm bells if you ask me |
| 04:50.06 | snowbird | me too |
| 04:50.14 | liable | the last comment sure, but without context its hard to say |
| 04:50.15 | Noborusan | liable, i have a static IP at my home,i use this IP to access internet,but yesterday i received warning mess from my server says my ip has been banned from trying to access to my server in many ways, ssh ,webhosting panel and etc |
| 04:50.25 | snowbird | id do root kit checks change psswd and blcok him |
| 04:50.38 | troubled | liable: if a sign up to a web site that _isn't_ mine using the nick <$RAND>, then I get login attempts to _my_ servers using <$RAND>..... |
| 04:50.51 | Noborusan | liable, now i check the log file, finding many logging attemptions from my own IP in yersterday,this is very strange hmmm |
| 04:51.13 | Noborusan | liable, and my IP is an unique IP nobody share it with me at the meantime. |
| 04:51.15 | liable | Noborusan: ssh attempts? |
| 04:51.26 | Noborusan | liable, yeah,ssh attemptions,and etc |
| 04:51.27 | troubled | snowbird: plz, root kit checks are so lame |
| 04:51.51 | Noborusan | liable, no,sorry |
| 04:51.54 | snowbird | i get you |
| 04:52.03 | troubled | as if you can trust any software on the machine itself if it is in fact comprimised |
| 04:52.34 | Noborusan | liable, i mean someone tried to use my IP to log on the control panel of my webhosting service,it seems my IP have had been highjacked ? |
| 04:52.48 | omg0 | !dpkg purge |
| 04:52.52 | snowbird | what if you turn ssh of and cliose the port |
| 04:53.02 | omg0 | !purge |
| 04:53.02 | dpkg | purge is, like, to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 04:53.12 | liable | Noborusan: so you had several failed attempts to login from your own ip? |
| 04:53.14 | troubled | Noborusan: your isp shouldnt be allowing your own ip to come in from an external source |
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| 04:53.38 | troubled | Noborusan: are you sure that your not just tracking down your own attempts? :) |
| 04:54.02 | omg0 | why "aptitude purge iceape" didn't work for me? I still see the application there |
| 04:54.12 | Noborusan | liable, http://www.my-ehome.net:2222 , the loging window, now in the log file,says many loggin attemptions have had been occured from the IP <my own IP though> and has been put in the ban list |
| 04:54.28 | omg0 | one says Iceape Navigator and Iceape Suite |
| 04:54.31 | Noborusan | let me paste the log file |
| 04:54.37 | liable | yes please |
| 04:54.50 | troubled | omg0: if you scroll up, you will see about 3 or 4 references to the fact that you keep using the wrong package name, and what the correct name to use is. gl |
| 04:54.54 | billy | so what does it mean when the left side of the X screen wraps around and is displayed on the right side of the screen? video card problems? |
| 04:56.27 | snowbird | were is the log? |
| 04:56.49 | troubled | billy: video timing |
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| 04:57.10 | billy | troubled: what can be done about that? |
| 04:57.46 | Noborusan | troubled, and liable , http://pastebin.ca/673127 |
| 04:57.48 | troubled | billy: well, double check your monitor settings first. |
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| 04:58.22 | Noborusan | in the file there is a line says user blah try to excute ...i dont get it,i mean does this mean at that time this user has successfully logged in ? |
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| 04:59.12 | troubled | billy: more specifically, I mean, double check that the controls on your monitor itself are in fact accurate. or does this scramble only happen when you start X for example? if so, google for video timings perhaps |
| 04:59.13 | Noborusan | i am very sure i myself did NOT try to log in my server and if i have had done it i wouldn't have had tried it so many times even its still a failure in the end |
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| 04:59.49 | billy | troubled: only when I start X. |
| 04:59.58 | Noborusan | im very curious why the log file says the accessing IP is from my own IP hmmm. |
| 05:00.19 | liable | Noborusan: those are two different ip's, which one is yours? the top or bottom log? |
| 05:00.32 | liable | i guess the bottom |
| 05:00.47 | Noborusan | liable, 211.95.176.233 |
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| 05:01.07 | Noborusan | liable, that is my IP,a static IP i use it at home. |
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| 05:01.49 | Noborusan | liable, so i had to log in my server then to the related file to unban myself after i found this problem |
| 05:02.05 | troubled | Noborusan: 211.92.80.59 is your ip according to that dns you gave though |
| 05:02.13 | troubled | err s/ip/dns/ |
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| 05:02.24 | troubled | www.my-ehome.net yes? |
| 05:02.27 | Noborusan | liable, that jksing is an account ,a client who uses my service,i know he is interested in ...technology...hmm. |
| 05:02.51 | Noborusan | troubled, 211.92.80.59 is my server's IP. |
| 05:03.19 | liable | Noborusan: i am not convinced its a legitimate break in attempt |
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| 05:03.49 | troubled | Noborusan: oooh, sorry. the other one is _your_ irc ip |
| 05:04.01 | Noborusan | troubled, i didnt get this type of warning untill yesterday, especially the day before yesterday and i found so many bad accessing attemptions log file in my server in defferent services. |
| 05:04.05 | billy | troubled: anything to do with "HorizSync" value, you think? |
| 05:04.27 | liable | Noborusan: all from the same ip? |
| 05:04.31 | Noborusan | no |
| 05:04.35 | omg0 | troubled, may I ask what browser you use? |
| 05:04.42 | liable | Noborusan: what forum software is he using? |
| 05:04.44 | Noborusan | we can ignore them cuz we have those ppl around in the life |
| 05:05.18 | Noborusan | liable, but dont you think it is very strange that why the log file says it was Me <according to the IP> who was trying to log in before its getting banned ? |
| 05:05.19 | troubled | billy: possible. video timings are a dark art to me still. There is a howto for it though. Just not sure if its truly needed still these days. I assume you cannot adjust the disply via the monitor controls to make it look ok? |
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| 05:05.41 | troubled | omg0: depends. I use them all to check various thing |
| 05:05.47 | liable | Noborusan: the fact that you got so many logins to null account, i cant help but think its a software problem somewhere |
| 05:05.55 | Noborusan | liable, he uses discuz, a typical php forum and very popular one over here |
| 05:06.03 | liable | Noborusan: you log in with a web browser? |
| 05:06.05 | billy | troubled: nope. it's a laptop, a sort of old one at that. haven't found a distro that'll work on it yet. :( |
| 05:06.16 | billy | X, at least. |
| 05:06.38 | snowbird | billy tried puppy? or feather |
| 05:06.39 | troubled | billy: google for the video timing howto. See if that helps you out |
| 05:06.53 | Noborusan | liable, yeah,once i wanted to check his forum which is installed on my server,to make sure the contents are legal,so that i subscribed to his forum by using the name 'netboy' |
| 05:06.55 | billy | ok, thanks troubled. |
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| 05:07.10 | billy | no, snowbird. i haven't. i'll try those, thanks. |
| 05:07.15 | troubled | Noborusan: are you 100% sure those attempts arent your own attempts to test the site? |
| 05:07.16 | Noborusan | liable, and later on, i find it recognize me so i cleaned up the cookies already. |
| 05:07.31 | liable | Noborusan: no i mean your hosting panel |
| 05:07.32 | snowbird | there is also dsl (dam small linux) |
| 05:07.56 | omg0 | so I have purged them all except for Epiphany |
| 05:08.06 | snowbird | billy, what lap top? |
| 05:08.14 | liable | is this directadmin software in debian? |
| 05:08.21 | billy | snowbird: Viao, PCG-FX310 |
| 05:08.22 | omg0 | I will now install just Iceape |
| 05:08.25 | Noborusan | troubled, those records indicate someone was trying to log on http://www.my-ehome.net:2222 ,i am very sure it was not me,cuz i did NOT do it ,and i do remember the pass of myself,i dont need to do it manytimes,never. |
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| 05:09.10 | snowbird | billy, 900 mhz? |
| 05:09.14 | Noborusan | liable, yes,i use IE |
| 05:09.20 | billy | snowbird: yes. |
| 05:09.24 | Noborusan | liable, i use windows at home to manage my server and stuff. |
| 05:09.29 | liable | yes but that doesnt mean that it isnt a dodgy browser sending stupid requests |
| 05:09.31 | snowbird | should be to hard to get x |
| 05:09.39 | tvn81 | hi |
| 05:09.43 | troubled | Noborusan: then perhaps you can explain: /var/log/directadmin# more security.log and then server:/var/log/directadmin# less security.log, both commands accessing the same file, but with different timestamps on the logs? |
| 05:09.54 | billy | snowbird: you mean, it shouldn't be too hard? |
| 05:09.59 | snowbird | yeah |
| 05:10.07 | Noborusan | troubled, hold on please |
| 05:10.17 | snowbird | there is sight for linux on lap tops |
| 05:10.33 | snowbird | should have u model tehre |
| 05:10.55 | Noborusan | troubled, how come you would assume that ? the command more and less are just the commands at all |
| 05:11.04 | omg0 | My fiance says I should come to bed so my son will go to sleep. She says what I need to is ask you guys where I can get a job |
| 05:11.31 | snowbird | mom grass and u get paid |
| 05:11.37 | Coweater | morgue |
| 05:11.37 | snowbird | mow |
| 05:12.26 | liable | walmart |
| 05:12.26 | snowbird | billy, try dream linux |
| 05:12.26 | troubled | Noborusan: yes, which is my point. You have 2 identical commands on the same file, that both give different results. And whats worse, they show signs of being altered in an editor with 80 char wrapping since most uploads to pastebin arent trimmed to 80 chars. even when you use a mouse to copy paste. Did you edit these logs in anyways? |
| 05:12.51 | Madd_Matt | billy, I believe any modern linux should run on that laptop. Hold on though, as I'm going to pull up some more specific information. |
| 05:12.57 | liable | troubled: i think hes prolly saved it into a files |
| 05:13.02 | Noborusan | troubled, i did not edit those file |
| 05:13.04 | liable | s/s/ / |
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| 05:13.30 | billy | snowbird: dream linux wouldn't boot on this laptop. i think it's that this thing is just heading south. |
| 05:13.41 | billy | 7 years old. |
| 05:13.48 | billy | almost |
| 05:13.51 | troubled | Noborusan: what was the time difference between executing those 2 commands? |
| 05:14.05 | snowbird | maybe billy but should take reg distro |
| 05:14.08 | Madd_Matt | billy, what exactly is the issue you have when installing it? You can't get the installer to boot or another error further in? |
| 05:14.10 | Noborusan | troubled, i checked,by using 'less' and 'more' for this file,i get the same timestamp |
| 05:14.26 | Noborusan | troubled, hmmm within in 1 sec or so,that is very strange |
| 05:14.42 | Madd_Matt | billy, sorry if I'm asking you to repeat things you've already said, I'll look back |
| 05:14.58 | billy | Madd_Matt: it's an issue with X. the left hand side wraps around and is displayed on the right side of the screen if I use the i810 driver, and I end up with a tiny screen using the vesa driver. |
| 05:15.41 | troubled | 2007:07:22-11:23:41 is the first timestamp, and 2007:07:25-23:12:28 is the second. Since log files are appended to at the end, it doesnt explain how two command (less and more) which read the begin of a file initially could retrieve 2 different timestamps at the begin of a log file, which gets appended to, not prepended |
| 05:15.52 | Noborusan | troubled, maybe i should terminate his account ? |
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| 05:16.04 | Madd_Matt | billy, I see. I seem to recall seeing that issue earlier, hold on, I'll see what I can dig up. |
| 05:16.14 | billy | Madd_Matt: cool. thank you. |
| 05:16.29 | Madd_Matt | billy, though it could just be your horizontal sync is off. |
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| 05:17.40 | troubled | Noborusan: do what you want, I am simply asking you to explain a serious descrepency in your log paste. It doesn't come close to "adding up" or resembling an authentic paste/upload |
| 05:17.41 | billy | Madd_Matt: yes. I had considered that. not sure how to correct it though. right now it's 28-64 on a 14.1" screen. |
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| 05:17.46 | liable | Noborusan: still not convinced he is hacking you, and if you are going to be terminating his account when you arent sure what the real problem is, maybe you shouldnt be hosting |
| 05:17.54 | Noborusan | troubled, he also told me this couple of days ago" sir, please check your proftpd settings, someone i know took 5 days by using 2 computers with 60 threads to force cracked my profptd account which is 14 long with numbers + letters mix" |
| 05:18.58 | troubled | Noborusan: well, I will leave you with the suggestion to check your ftp pasv settings. gl with your user |
| 05:20.12 | Noborusan | liable, that is very understandble |
| 05:20.22 | Madd_Matt | billy, what DPI are you running at? (Probably not it) |
| 05:20.22 | Noborusan | troubled, how do you know that part ? i mean the pasv settings ? |
| 05:20.50 | Noborusan | troubled, i mean, that client has told me that part too " your proftpd has not set up the passive mode,pls enable it' |
| 05:21.11 | troubled | google is your friend |
| 05:21.12 | Noborusan | troubled, then ,i enabled it in profptd.conf then add the rules in iptables,so he can use the ftp service |
| 05:21.43 | Noborusan | troubled, this is related to the passive mode settings in ftp ? |
| 05:22.01 | liable | Noborusan: may i suggest fail2ban if you arent already using it |
| 05:22.25 | billy | Madd_Matt: not sure. decrementing my HorizSync now. |
| 05:22.31 | Noborusan | liable, it's running before this happen |
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| 05:23.02 | Noborusan | liable, also, snort's running too in IDS mode before this happen |
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| 05:23.16 | liable | Noborusan: then i dont see how he could have someone cracking his ftp account |
| 05:23.25 | Noborusan | troubled, in profptd.conf i added this PassivePorts 10000 10050 |
| 05:23.41 | RudyValencia | Hello, why am I getting "Writing Makefile for (name of Perl module) -- NOT OK" whenever I try to install any Perl module though CPAN? |
| 05:23.59 | Noborusan | troubled, so after i know the ftp issue,i added this too MaxLoginAttempts 2 |
| 05:24.29 | Noborusan | i thought fai2ban would be responsible for bad ftp logging attemptions though,but its not |
| 05:25.01 | Noborusan | in the config of fail2ban,there is a section does refer to profptd and which is marked as 'true' |
| 05:25.29 | Noborusan | liable, he lied ? |
| 05:26.05 | liable | Noborusan: easy to find out, try logging in a few times and see if you get blacklisted :) |
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| 05:26.39 | billy | weird. now X display is smaller than the screen, but mouse can't get to right and lower parts. grr .... |
| 05:26.55 | liable | i have my iptables rules set to 4 attempts in 60 secs, if i misspell my passphrase that many times, i deserve to be banned :) |
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| 05:27.06 | Noborusan | liable, i checked his forum ,its a group he belongs to,which program some interesting programs,but most of which are related to exploit or anti-it. so i assume this guy and his friends do know computes. |
| 05:27.46 | Noborusan | liable, okay |
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| 05:31.21 | Noborusan | liable, it doesn't work |
| 05:31.52 | Noborusan | liable, i was trying to log in in my ftp account by using an invalid pass,tried 10 time, in every 2 second/1 |
| 05:32.00 | billy | d'oh well. thanks for the tips guys. |
| 05:32.02 | billy | exit |
| 05:32.09 | Noborusan | liable, still,i can log in with the correct pass.im not getting banned |
| 05:32.28 | liable | Noborusan: then you need to adjust fail2ban's settings |
| 05:32.44 | Noborusan | liable, in the profptd.conf and in the setting file of my virtualhost,both are set to MaxLoginAttempts=2 |
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| 05:33.15 | liable | Noborusan: you have restarted it since editting the conf? |
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| 05:34.05 | Noborusan | liable, yes restarted proftpd |
| 05:36.59 | gustavo | i know that its debian related channel and that i shouldnt ask if someone can help, but can someone help me with amavis + spamassasin integration? |
| 05:37.25 | liable | theres a good howto at workaround.org |
| 05:37.35 | Noborusan | liable, seems fail2ban doesn't work sometimes |
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| 05:40.38 | Noborusan | liable, http://pastebin.ca/673152 |
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| 05:41.40 | Noborusan | liable, by the way, by default the section of [apache-noscript] is disabled,i enabled it. |
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| 05:42.11 | Noborusan | it seems fail2ban works for monitering ssh,but not proftpd |
| 05:42.20 | Gaidin | helloa all. i am trying to share a folder on my external hard drive (sde1) to a windows machine but though it shows up the windows computer cannot access it (i want rw) any ideas on how to fix? |
| 05:42.24 | Gaidin | *hello |
| 05:42.48 | liable | Noborusan: is the log path correct? |
| 05:43.09 | Noborusan | liable, which ? |
| 05:43.16 | liable | proftp |
| 05:43.16 | Gaidin | oh its in fat 32 if that makes a difference |
| 05:43.44 | Noborusan | liable, i didnt change the log path in the config file,i can find it in /var/log/profptd |
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| 05:44.04 | Noborusan | access.log,auth.log and etc |
| 05:44.20 | liable | Noborusan: is it in a directory of its own? |
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| 05:44.44 | Noborusan | those log files are located in /var/log/profptd, liable |
| 05:45.02 | Noborusan | under the folder proftpd |
| 05:45.11 | Noborusan | so /var/log/proftpd/ |
| 05:45.11 | liable | is there a proftpd.log? |
| 05:45.33 | Noborusan | did a search ,nothing find. |
| 05:45.58 | liable | well, it helps if the log file its supposed to be monitoring exists :P |
| 05:46.17 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 05:46.19 | liable | change it to access.log in the conf |
| 05:47.07 | Noborusan | you mean in jail.conf ? |
| 05:47.23 | liable | in the fail2ban config file, yes |
| 05:47.30 | Joe7 | Q: where can I download a debian boot/live cd? |
| 05:48.08 | mseng | liable: do you never sleep? :P |
| 05:48.21 | mseng | !grml |
| 05:48.22 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 05:48.36 | liable | mseng: yeah, but i obviously live in a different time zone to you :P |
| 05:48.53 | Noborusan | liable, you are great,yes its strange,even its specified in the config file,the log file doesnt find |
| 05:48.53 | mseng | liable: the IntarWeb zone! |
| 05:49.03 | liable | heh |
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| 05:50.17 | Noborusan | liable, done |
| 05:52.18 | Noborusan | liable, now i check,i dont get any log file from me |
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| 05:53.41 | Noborusan | brb,reboot |
| 05:53.43 | snowbird | Libable kinows my time here its late here if i go to bed now il get 5 hours rest |
| 05:54.08 | snowbird | oops so tired can;t type |
| 05:54.16 | liable | hehe, libable might be appropriate |
| 05:54.26 | liable | or more so libabble |
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| 05:55.17 | snowbird | nope if icall u mr _ i know that mr_ tech helper pro along he comes with stick to beat it in to me |
| 05:56.00 | snowbird | see u on the flip side liable |
| 05:56.10 | liable | righto |
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| 06:00.18 | stoned | go to sleep |
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| 06:03.44 | XoX | sed -i '/cheese/ !{s/$/ newstuff/}' changes all lines that dont match cheese ,howto change only the first line that dosent match cheese |
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| 06:05.12 | psychonate | hmm, my mouse does not seem to be working anymore |
| 06:05.29 | psychonate | "usb 1-1: can't set config #0, error -110" |
| 06:06.09 | blackgoth | hm i had that once, with my external disk |
| 06:06.43 | psychonate | it was working fine until I just updated a shitload of packages |
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| 06:07.53 | blackgoth | let me see if i can find what i did :P |
| 06:08.00 | psychonate | the trouble is, now neither my usb nor my ps2 mouse works |
| 06:08.34 | blackgoth | err |
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| 06:10.10 | Rongo | dpkg didn't seem to have any relevant info in his "no public key" response for me.. ... "W: GPG error: http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1" |
| 06:10.10 | dpkg | Rongo: that's too long |
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| 06:11.46 | portalgod | what does the letters "iFR" int he first column of dpkg -l indicate? |
| 06:12.28 | portalgod | i tried to force dpkg to install the etch version of fail2ban but now apt is complainign about fail2ban anytime i try to install anything |
| 06:12.38 | portalgod | (tried to install etch version on sarge) |
| 06:12.48 | jetscreamer | uninstall it |
| 06:12.50 | portalgod | i'm trying to dpkg -remove -force-remove-reinstreq fail2ban |
| 06:12.54 | portalgod | but it's complainig still |
| 06:13.29 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge --force-all fail2ban , but if you break something it's all yours |
| 06:14.11 | portalgod | hehe |
| 06:14.17 | psychonate | ImPS/2 is still a current mouse protocol for x, correct? |
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| 06:14.56 | cafuego | yes |
| 06:15.28 | psychonate | tried ExplorerPS/2; didn't seem to work either |
| 06:15.30 | psychonate | dunno |
| 06:15.50 | psychonate | I can only guess that something I updated has caused this |
| 06:16.01 | psychonate | kernel? X? |
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| 06:24.46 | Rongo | Wow.. that seems bad: stdlib.h no such file or directory |
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| 06:25.44 | liable | compiling? |
| 06:26.10 | Rongo | #include <stdio.h> int main() { return 0; } |
| 06:26.28 | liable | build-essential |
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| 06:26.41 | troubled | cafuego |
| 06:26.44 | Bogus8 | what causes my windows box to not have a "save password" when mapping a network drive to a samba share on my debian box? My old FC3 box had no problems with this |
| 06:27.14 | Rongo | thanks |
| 06:27.54 | cafuego | troubled: WHAT??! |
| 06:28.17 | troubled | ??!! nothing, just felt like putting some yellow text on your screen ;p |
| 06:28.55 | troubled | cafuego: or do I set off loud alarms and bells, and wake your whole house up every time i do that? :) |
| 06:29.16 | cafuego | I'm afraid you got overriden by the ident match and you're actually green. |
| 06:29.33 | cafuego | troubled: a discreet purple '2' in the status bar |
| 06:30.03 | troubled | hmmm, never seen the green/ident match before |
| 06:30.24 | liable | i got green and purple |
| 06:30.26 | psychonate | curse ye, troublesome mice |
| 06:30.31 | liable | its groovy |
| 06:30.40 | psychonate | sleepin it off |
| 06:30.50 | cafuego | troubled: irssi can colour code based on whether someone is an identified user or not |
| 06:30.52 | troubled | i know the purple, usually what I get when theres a hilight or nick match on a channel, but the hilight itself always yellow to me |
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| 06:31.12 | troubled | hmm, thats cool |
| 06:31.20 | cafuego | troubled: "/QUOTE capab identify-msg' |
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| 06:31.42 | ArtVandalae | How can I find the creation date of a file? |
| 06:31.43 | cafuego | troubled: There is a script called 'format-identify.pl' that parses the result to colour codes |
| 06:31.43 | troubled | ok, I did that |
| 06:31.55 | cafuego | troubled: Now I'm probably +cafuego |
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| 06:32.19 | troubled | wtf. your still cafuego, but its +troubled: every time you speak |
| 06:32.25 | cafuego | ah yes |
| 06:32.31 | cafuego | the + indicates I'm identified |
| 06:32.45 | troubled | bah, thats got fsck my logs. thanks for bringing that to my attn though |
| 06:32.59 | cafuego | troubled: Well, hence format-identify.pl |
| 06:33.12 | cafuego | it removes the + and adjusts the user's colour |
| 06:34.42 | omg0 | #join qemu |
| 06:35.08 | troubled | ya, its definetly logging the +. I suppose its to be considered for it being server side |
| 06:35.32 | troubled | cafuego: how to disable for now? -capab? |
| 06:35.54 | cafuego | Um... |
| 06:36.00 | cafuego | maybe? :-) |
| 06:36.11 | troubled | lol NOOOO!!! |
| 06:36.16 | troubled | it doesnt work |
| 06:36.41 | cafuego | serves you right for making all alarms go off |
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| 06:37.03 | troubled | heh |
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| 06:37.08 | troubled | bah, brb |
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| 06:37.51 | cafuego | h4x! |
| 06:38.01 | troubled | don't talk to me. you suck! lol |
| 06:38.21 | troubled | that is cool though |
| 06:39.08 | troubled | hmmm, everyone else has - in other channels too it seems |
| 06:39.19 | cafuego | unisentified users |
| 06:39.23 | cafuego | unidentified |
| 06:39.36 | troubled | i figured |
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| 06:40.10 | tr0ubl3d | i can haz not ident! |
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| 06:40.29 | liable | i guess once all the required modules are loaded, it should show up |
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| 06:40.37 | liable | meh |
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| 06:40.48 | cafuego | Well, once the module is loaded and you've set a format string |
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| 06:41.01 | troubled | bah, now they say i gotta reconnect to disable that. you putz :p |
| 06:41.07 | cafuego | h4x! |
| 06:41.08 | troubled | brb |
| 06:41.12 | liable | heh |
| 06:41.17 | cafuego | !win me |
| 06:41.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 06:41.49 | troubled | :) |
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| 06:42.01 | cafuego | Oh crap, it's nvz |
| 06:42.18 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:42.37 | nvz | I guess I flipped the wrong breaker earlier when I kicked the circuit in the kitchen |
| 06:42.49 | nvz | just now realized my computer had been reset |
| 06:43.18 | nvz | 192.168.1.104 - - [27/Aug/2007:11:01:10 -0400] "PROPFIND /win2k HTTP/1.1" 404 274 "-" "Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir/6.0.6000" "-" |
| 06:43.32 | nvz | what I was wondering is if anyone seen anytihng like that or knows what exactly it is |
| 06:43.51 | nvz | I've done some googling seems to be related to samba |
| 06:44.28 | nvz | that IP is the secretary's pc I don't know wth Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir is or why its accessing apache |
| 06:44.38 | nvz | or what it thinks its doing |
| 06:44.49 | cafuego | Looking for a webdav server |
| 06:44.55 | nvz | hmm |
| 06:44.59 | cafuego | she's probably accessing the network neighbourhoodf |
| 06:45.00 | nvz | I wonder how to make it stop :P |
| 06:45.00 | troubled | i know my windows box hits my apache every time I access a network share |
| 06:45.03 | cafuego | kill her |
| 06:45.13 | nvz | yeah she definatly is.. I got her stuff on there |
| 06:45.15 | troubled | although, not /win2k in my case |
| 06:45.33 | nvz | but there is nothing of interest to her box on the apache server |
| 06:46.01 | troubled | nvz: i think its a built in windows thing probably. perhaps related to auto proxy detection or something? |
| 06:46.20 | marc7 | is murder the new solution to problems in #debian? and if not, *why not*? |
| 06:46.33 | nvz | I have no idea.. I'm farily new to windows vista and I hate it |
| 06:47.02 | nvz | if it weren't for the fact that she does way more shit than I want to support on debian I'd have gotten rid of windows by now |
| 06:47.35 | nvz | I got a bunch of other people to do bitch work like supporting Office, Laserfiche, Quickbooks..etc |
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| 06:51.49 | cafuego | troubled: No, atioproxy just looks for wpad.DOMAINNAME/wpad.dat |
| 06:52.00 | liable | k |
| 06:52.14 | nvz | hmm I don't see how this has anything to do with what we are doing |
| 06:52.41 | nvz | to me it seems like Microsoft's WebDAV mini-redirector has nothing to do with samba |
| 06:53.09 | nvz | the only things she is using the server for is samba, cups, and sane |
| 06:53.32 | cafuego | nvz: more likely it's word/office scanning for i dunno, frontpage or sharepoint or something. |
| 06:53.51 | nvz | ah.. she has the new office.. 2007 or whatever it is |
| 06:53.56 | Guerin | marc7: i've seen four year-olds who out-troll you |
| 06:54.22 | cafuego | nvz: Easily worked around by using mod_security to kill user_agent /Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir/ |
| 06:54.27 | cafuego | Guerin: Aha! |
| 06:54.38 | cafuego | Guerin: I was looking for you the other day |
| 06:54.46 | marc7 | Guerin: you assume I'm trying to troll? i just commented on cafuego's remark. |
| 06:55.03 | nvz | cafuego: ah thats even better than having to sit there and figure out how to make the windows box stop being stupid |
| 06:55.31 | nvz | I like making problems dissapear without having to use windows |
| 06:56.09 | Guerin | cafuego: that sounds ominous |
| 06:56.36 | nvz | I got that scanner working properly over the network but couldnt find any useful Twain/Sane bridge to make it work in windows.. so I guess I'm just gonna get rid of this scanner |
| 06:56.47 | Guerin | is it because you lot almost squandered a 2-goal lead to our lot in the football? |
| 06:56.54 | nvz | I found an app called SaneTwain or something, but its terrible. |
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| 06:57.14 | cafuego | Guerin: No, I couldn't care less about what uassie and kiwis call "football" |
| 06:57.27 | Guerin | cafuego: no, this is actual football ... the one which you play with your feet |
| 06:57.37 | nvz | I can understand why nobody would want to write a sane to twain bridge.. but hell.. why is anyone still using twain period?! |
| 06:57.48 | nvz | twain is just insane |
| 06:58.02 | cafuego | Guerin: I was going to point you at http://i.thefairest.info/funniest_thumbs/3uNHzd.jpeg |
| 06:58.02 | ArtVandalae | I think it's a stupid acronym too |
| 06:58.06 | ArtVandalae | Worse than GNU :P |
| 06:58.19 | Guerin | cafuego: heh |
| 06:58.45 | ArtVandalae | Here we go... TWAIN = Technology Wihout An Interesting Name" |
| 06:58.50 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:58.58 | iKernel | Hahahaha |
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| 06:59.07 | iKernel | I searched for gay in synaptic package manager |
| 06:59.11 | nvz | Technology Without Intelligence would have been a better name |
| 06:59.14 | iKernel | and it didn't come up with any results |
| 06:59.19 | cafuego | and it pulled up a picture of you? |
| 06:59.19 | iKernel | God I love debian |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | iKernel: and debian loves you. |
| 06:59.38 | iKernel | cafecubita, no, actually it pulled up a picture of you |
| 06:59.44 | liable | not in that way though |
| 06:59.52 | cafuego | who the hell is cafecubita? |
| 06:59.55 | nvz | thats strange.. cause I heard gay people like to pack their shit |
| 07:00.03 | nvz | I guess they just don't pack it in deb format |
| 07:00.40 | cafuego | nvz: Microsoft-WebDAV-MiniRedir is a "helpful" tool on windows to make DAV servers appear like normal file shares. |
| 07:00.41 | troubled | cafuego: roman version of your nick? cafinessugoious |
| 07:00.49 | Guerin | nvz: could you go and do handstands on the bannister? |
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| 07:00.54 | Guerin | nvz: thanks. |
| 07:00.57 | cafuego | nvz: Usually caused by accessing the network neighbourhood |
| 07:01.01 | nvz | ArtVandalae: wikipedia says TWAIN is not an acronym.. its widely known as a backronym though |
| 07:01.35 | nvz | cafuego: yeah but we're not doing anything like that.. I have samba which seems like a way better way of accessing files and printers |
| 07:02.03 | nvz | Guerin: you lost me on that one |
| 07:03.14 | cafuego | nvz: your secretary's windows machine is, though. Accessing "Network Neighbourhood" makes it scan... it probably broadcasts, then probes various ports. |
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| 07:03.38 | Aleksej | hi |
| 07:03.44 | cafuego | *evil* |
| 07:03.56 | Aleksej | I've just noticed that my IP address on IRC is not hidden anymore? Why? (Lenny) |
| 07:04.10 | Aleksej | s/\?/./ |
| 07:04.15 | nvz | Aleksej: hidden? |
| 07:04.28 | nvz | Aleksej: do you have a usercloak from freenode? |
| 07:04.31 | troubled | nvz: you mean, its a number isntead of a resolved name? |
| 07:04.34 | Aleksej | nvz: it was some kind of host name... maybe my ISP changed something? |
| 07:04.39 | Aleksej | troubled: yep |
| 07:04.46 | troubled | Aleksej: your rev dns is borked |
| 07:04.52 | Aleksej | ? |
| 07:05.04 | nvz | hah, well that wasn't hidden then |
| 07:05.04 | liable | sometimes it just plays up |
| 07:05.05 | troubled | Aleksej: that or if its only ocassionally, it could just be your isp dns lagged during connect |
| 07:05.07 | liable | cycle |
| 07:05.22 | Aleksej | Looks like every time. |
| 07:05.41 | troubled | Aleksej: ya, wont resolve. talk to your isp |
| 07:05.46 | nvz | you can EASILY take a hostname and get an IP |
| 07:06.04 | Aleksej | nvz: it wouldn't just resolve |
| 07:06.33 | troubled | Aleksej: send an email to hostmaster@corbina.net and ask why reverse dns isnt working |
| 07:06.37 | GuHHH | does anyone knows where i can find drivers for motorola mot pci3? |
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| 07:07.41 | Aleksej | troubled: thanks, I'll try. ...I hope they reply in a month or two... support@corbina usually does |
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| 07:07.58 | Aleksej | (at least when I send a followup msg) |
| 07:08.00 | LuisaM | hi there |
| 07:08.09 | neophiteHawk | good morning |
| 07:08.26 | LuisaM | anybody has experience with debian etch and a toshiba satellite a135?can't enable s-video neither make the hotkeys work |
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| 07:08.41 | troubled | Aleksej: it seems your only getting your broadband.corbina.ru domains when your under a 89.178.x.x ip |
| 07:09.08 | troubled | Aleksej: its possible that either they deligate the rev dns to you and you didnt setup dns, or they havent noticed its broken |
| 07:09.10 | neophiteHawk | LuisaM: not with you satelite but with mine =) |
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| 07:09.20 | nvz | LuisaM: check google or linuxlaptops.com |
| 07:09.22 | trebor_win | hello. a few days ago, i did my first debian (4.0) install on a macbook. |
| 07:09.28 | neophiteHawk | LuisaM: Toshiba Sattelite 5200 |
| 07:09.33 | Aleksej | troubled: have you resolved it from that, or just know corbina's IPs? |
| 07:09.47 | troubled | Aleksej: logs |
| 07:09.55 | troubled | Aleksej: from oftc in this case |
| 07:09.55 | LuisaM | neophiteHawk, have you installed toshiba tools?hotkeys work? |
| 07:09.58 | Aleksej | ah |
| 07:10.23 | Aleksej | It works now at another server... w/o reconnect?! |
| 07:10.59 | troubled | Aleksej: could be a firewall blocking only certain machines from dns queries. hard to say |
| 07:11.30 | neophiteHawk | LuisaM: no cause they are not avaible for Linux =( |
| 07:11.30 | neophiteHawk | But I got my LCD (not the Sub-LCD I mean the Touchpad-LCD) to work =) |
| 07:11.48 | LuisaM | neophiteHawk, the thing is that my kernel doesn't have toshiba support, don't know how to install it without recompiling the kernel |
| 07:12.27 | neophiteHawk | LuisaM: sry but than I have no Idea, too |
| 07:12.38 | trebor_win | i can not configure the touchpad via synaptics/qsynaptics/ksynaptics. the error messeage is: Shared Memory is not accessible, please add "SHMConfig "on"" into the touch pad section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf - which is what i did - with no change. |
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| 07:12.49 | xingu | given that ns-pri.ripe.net doesn't have a zone loaded for 106.78.in-addr.arpa, it wouldn't matter what his ISP did short of bitching at RIPE |
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| 07:12.55 | trebor_win | (macbook-touchpad) |
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| 07:14.15 | xingu | reasons not to depend on PTR resolution #93958132 |
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| 07:15.28 | troubled | Aleksej: seems dns1.corbina.net and dns2 refuse dns for that block |
| 07:16.00 | Aleksej | troubled: dns.corbina.net only resolves to 195.14.50.1 here when pinging |
| 07:16.25 | Aleksej | dig shows those dnsn |
| 07:17.07 | troubled | Aleksej: oddly enough, ns-pri.ripe.net is saying that the rev for .78 doesnt exist *shrug* |
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| 07:17.28 | troubled | Aleksej: what do you get when you do: dig -x 78.106.49.92 |
| 07:17.41 | trebor_win | (macbook-touchpad)? -> in xorg.0.log i get a message that no synaptics event device could be found (checked 16 modes) then synaptics module is unloaded. |
| 07:17.58 | Aleksej | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
| 07:17.58 | Aleksej | ;92.49.106.78.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR |
| 07:18.06 | Aleksej | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
| 07:18.06 | Aleksej | 78.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN SOA ns-pri.ripe.net. ops.ripe.net. 2007082832 3600 7200 1209600 7200 |
| 07:18.14 | Aleksej | SERVER: 195.14.50.21#53(195.14.50.21) |
| 07:18.15 | troubled | well, worth a shot |
| 07:18.27 | xingu | 78.in-addr.arpa is authoritative at ripe, but 106.78 is a big black hole there |
| 07:18.46 | troubled | xingu: any ideas why? |
| 07:18.52 | Aleksej | .1 and .21 is what's been the DNS to use at least for 2 years |
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| 07:19.10 | xingu | his isp's has 1 out of 2 surviving authority's (dns1 is dead, dns2 is online) but whether or not they /ought/ to be authoritative for 49.106.78.in-addr.arpa is so much conjecture. |
| 07:19.19 | trebor_win | (macbook-touchpad)? -> lsusb -v gives me infos about an apple internal keyboard/trackpad -> how do i configure/install the touchpad of a macbook properly? |
| 07:19.34 | troubled | xingu: hmm, i just got a query from dns1, you sure its dead? |
| 07:19.55 | xingu | ripe have screwed up the delegation pure and simple; if corbina can't keep two nameservers online it's unlikely they're ready for a battle of wits with RIPE |
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| 07:20.25 | xingu | troubled: it's not answering ns-rr queries for corbina.net from my test point, maybe it has partial connectivity |
| 07:20.45 | troubled | $ dig -x 89.178.156.173 @dns1.corbina.net, worked here |
| 07:20.57 | troubled | diff ip, but its still up |
| 07:21.13 | omg0 | I am using QEMU to run Debian on a Windows 2000 host. Can I ping the 192 network from the 10 on the debian box |
| 07:21.13 | xingu | troubled: dns1 is resolving as 85.21.192.1 here - for you? |
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| 07:21.23 | troubled | no, sec |
| 07:21.36 | Guerin | omg0: that's just sick. |
| 07:21.36 | troubled | 213.234.192.1, that ip you pasted is dns2 for me |
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| 07:22.03 | omg0 | Hi Guerin. Have not seen you in a while. Of course I haven't been here in a while |
| 07:22.17 | Noborusan | omg0, lol |
| 07:22.21 | troubled | xingu: dns2 is up and gives same results here too |
| 07:24.00 | troubled | xingu: who knows what kind of firewalling they might be doing though at the dns servers, despite the breakage that would occur |
| 07:24.01 | omg0 | hey I am not the smartest hack in the room. Just trying to learn so that I can actually know what I am talking about when I go on those job interviews |
| 07:24.27 | xingu | troubled: cut/paste error; yes, same 213 address for dns1, yes, dead, yes, same 85 address for dns2, yes, working |
| 07:25.02 | nvz | omg0: you don't have to know what you are talking about, you just have to act like it.. and never let em see you sweat |
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| 07:25.24 | nvz | omg0: if they knew how to do what they were hiring you for, they wouldn't be hiring you |
| 07:25.33 | troubled | xingu: ahh k |
| 07:25.53 | troubled | xingu: oh, you still get no response from dns1? |
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| 07:26.17 | xingu | troubled: yup no response; icmp responds, just not dns query. |
| 07:26.40 | omg0 | nvz I seem to always be running into the geeks |
| 07:26.41 | sep | omg0, and knowing how to use google is critical skill. :) |
| 07:27.15 | omg0 | I am in ATL and I seem to be running into the people from GA Tech |
| 07:27.42 | nvz | omg0: oh well I only work for idiots |
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| 07:27.44 | trebor_win | debian on a macbook anyone? |
| 07:27.50 | nvz | they come off their money easier |
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| 07:28.01 | nvz | and don't ask questions when I make up numbers |
| 07:28.10 | xingu | troubled: aah, there we go; my own broken home gateway strikes again - it's working from a natively addressed test point on the same network. |
| 07:28.17 | SlimG | Is there a specific place to put the hd spindown time in Debian Etch? |
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| 07:28.53 | omg0 | I actually forgot some elementary stuff the other day for a CISCO (Scientific Atlanta) interview. I forgot all the key statements in SQL querry |
| 07:28.59 | xingu | so; the ISP needs to build zones for 0-63.106.78.in-addr.arpa and load them; then they need to bitchslap ripe |
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| 07:30.00 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:30.00 | nvz | omg0: I make a habbit of forgetting stuff.. I don't do memorization of useless referencable facts.. I just do research before I go somewhere. |
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| 07:30.21 | liable | map of a cat :) |
| 07:30.27 | troubled | xingu: of all the people in this channel, your the last one I would expect to have a broken network ;p |
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| 07:30.33 | omg0 | I try to convince the guy that but he says I need to come back when I am better prepared |
| 07:30.39 | troubled | liable: so...hows your history file? :) |
| 07:31.06 | liable | troubled: havent rebooted today. and i havent been playing, so its still there ;) |
| 07:31.07 | SlimG | Is there a specific place to put the hd spindown time in Debian Etch? |
| 07:31.11 | Aleksej | xingu: heh. I'm not sure they care. Maybe Golden Telecom, which owns it now... |
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| 07:31.49 | omg0 | ok. Guerin, are you going to shed some light on why my stupidity is sick. I am on the Debian box right now |
| 07:32.49 | omg0 | Just need to figure how I can do crap on my debian and download it to my windows via network |
| 07:33.06 | xingu | troubled: I know its limits; the gateway uses what cisco would call PAT overload and what some people would just call NAT - many-to-one address translation, with the outside/global hash being dst-addr##dst-port; the issue being that it will map the /first/ flow for a given hash target and /fail/ the second and subsequent if dst-port is <1024 |
| 07:33.54 | troubled | xingu: you use a cisco router for your home network? |
| 07:34.08 | Aleksej | $ host 78.106.49.92 |
| 07:34.08 | troubled | ....that has a bug that isnt patched yet? |
| 07:34.08 | Aleksej | Host 92.49.106.78.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 07:34.13 | xingu | troubled: one of these days I'll fix its brain with a spork and replace it with a 1851 + adsl wic |
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| 07:35.07 | xingu | troubled: netgear dg834 - with ~current firmware it's less brokenated than some of the alternatives but still quite err cheap. |
| 07:35.21 | xingu | troubled: at least it manages passthrough ipsec/ike |
| 07:35.54 | omg0 | brokenated :-) IT folks have created the most words for this century |
| 07:36.16 | troubled | xingu: i still think a linux box makes a fine gw/router/etc for home use. not to knock expensive cisco junk though |
| 07:36.31 | trebor_win | linux@macbook someone? |
| 07:36.42 | troubled | xingu: I mean, hey, if you feel that you should have to get a license just to get full duplex, by all means, write them a check.... |
| 07:37.37 | xingu | Aleksej: that's an expected result; the authority stops at the ns rr-set for 78.in-addr.arpa (mname says authority is ns-pri.ripe.net but if you believe mname's these days I've got a bridge to sell you) and he knows nothing about 78.106/16 |
| 07:38.02 | xingu | troubled: this *is* a linux (2.4mvl) box. :) |
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| 07:38.14 | troubled | although im surprised cisco hasnt went the route of billing you per packet yet on everything for the _priveledge_ of using the almighty, above all humans, cisco hardware |
| 07:38.14 | omg0 | troubled, How is it possible to get full duplex without the check? |
| 07:38.34 | troubled | xingu: good stuff :) |
| 07:39.06 | troubled | omg0: on cisco? no idea |
| 07:39.17 | xingu | troubled: at <2Mbps && <1Kpps I'd agree with you, the cost/benefit just isn't there; might as well use whatever works and design around the stack brokennesses |
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| 07:39.23 | troubled | i would assume the serial is keyed to the device serial number for obvious reasons |
| 07:39.29 | omg0 | troubled, on Linux |
| 07:40.04 | troubled | omg0: ? i was talking about cisco routers and them severly limiting its functionalty without a continually renewed license |
| 07:40.15 | xingu | troubled: >2Mbps || >1Kpps queue latency/ jitter and RIB->FIB synchronisation issues start to eat your arse on PC hardware |
| 07:40.35 | omg0 | ok. What is this brokeness thing you guys keep talking about? |
| 07:40.37 | troubled | the one router I played with was limited to 10mbps half duplex without a license |
| 07:40.52 | xingu | troubled: let alone on little embedded arm7 boxes with the blinky blinky |
| 07:40.53 | troubled | (old model, maybe 5 or 6 years or so) |
| 07:41.48 | omg0 | so you can achieve what he can on the CISCO router with the Linux box? |
| 07:42.28 | troubled | omg0: god no. no computer will ever come close to performance comapared to hardware/asic based devices |
| 07:42.48 | xingu | omg0: each vendor makes a series of cost/ saleability tradeoffs; in my case there's an interesting design feature such that only one flow from inside to outside can be mapped to a given {dst-addr,dst-port<1024} pair. |
| 07:43.07 | troubled | unless the computer is designed specifically for routing and has no moving parts and no hd and a tweaked OS i suppose |
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| 07:43.31 | xingu | troubled: and has 2ns sram rather than dram... |
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| 07:44.09 | troubled | xingu: curious, how much ram do typical cisco routers have on board? |
| 07:44.14 | omg0 | troubled, using your last statement. How about a flash drive on the computer |
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| 07:44.58 | omg0 | still not fast enough. Never mind |
| 07:45.05 | wols_ | troubled: depends what you need. UNless you have really really highspieed links, a PC can route your typical inet connection jsut fine |
| 07:45.25 | troubled | omg0: well, if its a router, I would think you would only use a flash drive for logs. I cant see it being faster to boot up than a flash chip |
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| 07:45.36 | wols_ | a router has all its stuff in memory. mass storage speeds are irrelevant after booting |
| 07:45.48 | xingu | troubled: it's tiered; current stuff is .5-1GB range of RIB/ general process memory (dram) and what maybe 2-4k packet buffer; not sure about FIB, guess would be somewhere 64-128m or so |
| 07:46.06 | troubled | xingu: what is this RIB/FIB? |
| 07:46.22 | troubled | cisco terms i assume? |
| 07:46.44 | xingu | troubled: {routing,forwarding} information base; rib is your routing database; fib is your prefix to exit interface hash |
| 07:47.11 | troubled | xingu: oh, so just 2 diff hash tables for both datasets? |
| 07:47.35 | xingu | troubled: yep, two entirely different data structures, sets of locking rules, reflecting the actual use-cases of both. |
| 07:47.52 | xingu | troubled: rib is typically scanned on a timer and pushed to fib; fib might be distributed to the line-card. |
| 07:48.18 | SlimG | I'm about to setup DHCP server with webinterface on Debian Etch, any recomendation on what DHCP and webinterface combination to choose? It's a school with ~300 computers in a wind. domain |
| 07:48.20 | xingu | troubled: allows the line-card to locally map inbound frame to a slot on the switching crossbar ie direct to the exit interface. |
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| 07:48.45 | troubled | xingu: ccna by chance? |
| 07:49.18 | trebor_win | debian@macbook anyone? |
| 07:49.20 | omg0 | :-) |
| 07:49.39 | omg0 | I think he pass CCNA |
| 07:49.45 | xingu | troubled: linux's route-cache is sort of a crumbly ancient old-world view of how to do this, it inserts into the route cache if there's a cache-lookup-miss for a new flow |
| 07:49.46 | liable | trebor_win: i believe there are support sights for linux on macs |
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| 07:50.11 | troubled | omg0: well, i dont know the levels of cert for cisco stuff obviously |
| 07:50.33 | trebor_win | liable: i believe so, too. i googled for them, but i ended up in some ubuntu forums (or mr wang) |
| 07:50.35 | omg0 | CCNA is the first level |
| 07:50.44 | troubled | i figured so |
| 07:51.01 | troubled | thats the "I can install windows!" level then i assume? |
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| 07:51.13 | omg0 | lol. That would be me |
| 07:51.13 | troubled | (if you compare to windows certs i mean) |
| 07:51.21 | liable | trebor_win: check linux-laptop and tuxmobil too |
| 07:51.30 | xingu | the cisco /certs/ have got all weird since they decided that the compulsory-renewal thing was a cash cow |
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| 07:52.04 | omg0 | Xingu how for up did you go? |
| 07:52.18 | omg0 | CCNP? |
| 07:52.19 | cafuego | chnage randomises your enable password |
| 07:52.20 | troubled | xingu: curious, i assume your in the industry. hows netware doing? they all but dead in the water I assume now, limited to fortune 500? |
| 07:52.27 | Burn | hello, I just installed etch onto a supermicro server, but the eth0 (with dhcp) doesn't seem to work -> I can't ping it, all network settings are ok |
| 07:52.29 | cafuego | feh |
| 07:52.38 | xingu | I did my ccnp about 6y ago now as a tickabox for job reqs while I was pounding pavement/ interviewing |
| 07:52.38 | Burn | when I ping from the server, it just works |
| 07:52.52 | Kevin` | Burn it got an address from dhcp then? |
| 07:52.59 | Burn | Kevin`: yes it did |
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| 07:53.18 | Burn | Kevin`: but the eth1 acts really wierd |
| 07:53.45 | Burn | Kevin`: I gave eth0 dhcp and eth1 a static address |
| 07:53.51 | troubled | bah, who's msgin me now.... |
| 07:53.55 | omg0 | burn, did you jiggle the cable. That's what the lady said in that commercial |
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| 07:54.25 | xingu | ccnp was a hoot, walk in, wave credit card, clicky clicky prometric, 4h later whee I'm a ccnp |
| 07:54.33 | xingu | "just bill me" |
| 07:54.35 | Kevin` | that was.. interesting |
| 07:54.44 | Burn | omg0: it isn't the cable, I've got the same issue with ubuntu dapper server on it |
| 07:54.52 | wols_ | troubled: considering novell is running to suse as fast as they can: yes netware is a zombie. on lifesupport |
| 07:55.13 | Kevin` | Burn does dmesg indicate anything suspicious after the network is setup? |
| 07:55.25 | troubled | wols_: i figured as much. but didnt they port nds to linux for their enterprise suse? |
| 07:56.02 | Burn | Kevin`: nope, the dhcp just works, BUT when I want eth1 to have a dhcp config it won't work |
| 07:56.34 | Burn | it's an e1000 network card |
| 07:56.43 | Kevin` | Burn what happens if you try to request a dhcp address after it's set up (just do it again) |
| 07:57.06 | Burn | Kevin`: what's the command for that request? |
| 07:57.12 | Kevin` | dhclient eth0 |
| 07:57.13 | Kevin` | probably |
| 07:57.33 | Kevin` | just to check that the card and driver is still working |
| 07:57.38 | omg0 | hey troubled, wols_ can you answer my elementary question. I am on a 10 network trying to ping a 192 network. The 10 is actually plugged into the 192 |
| 07:57.46 | Burn | Kevin`: the dhcp server gives me the same ip |
| 07:57.56 | Kevin` | omg0 on the same segment, you mean? |
| 07:58.07 | Burn | Kevin`: nope, the same IP |
| 07:58.13 | Kevin` | Burn you have any Interesting network devices that would be blocking things? |
| 07:58.21 | omg0 | yes, I guess you could say that |
| 07:58.23 | Kevin` | it should give you the same ip |
| 07:58.28 | troubled | omg0: try a ping and check the arp tables yet? |
| 07:58.33 | nvz | ugh I just filled out a job application.. and it actually wasn't that bad.. usually I loathe doing that.. |
| 07:58.43 | Kevin` | omg0 just add a second ip in the 192 network to the card |
| 07:58.56 | troubled | nvz: zomg, a #debian patron who works? fsck off! |
| 07:58.57 | Burn | the arp table is empty |
| 07:59.09 | Burn | Kevin`: no nothing blocking normally |
| 07:59.18 | nvz | troubled: heh.. I know how am I suppose to loaf on IRC all day? |
| 07:59.19 | Kevin` | Burn arping dhcp_server_ip |
| 07:59.25 | troubled | who am I answering here? Burn or omg0 ? |
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| 08:00.12 | Kevin` | Burn if it picks the wrong interface, give it the right one (-i eth0) |
| 08:00.16 | troubled | nvz: ya, I hear ya. debian support is a demanding job |
| 08:00.24 | Kevin` | arping likes to be stupid about that |
| 08:01.05 | nvz | troubled: yeah.. its not that its hard. its just wearing me down from running from place to place doing it |
| 08:01.17 | omg0 | I checked the arp after the ping and it went back to the local host |
| 08:01.19 | troubled | heh, you catch the one in the news about the guy who shot up a mile long stretch of fiber with a gun? :) |
| 08:01.21 | Burn | Kevin`: yes that works |
| 08:01.32 | Kevin` | Burn icmp doesn't, though? |
| 08:01.36 | troubled | boy would I slap that guy silly if it were my network |
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| 08:02.25 | Burn | Kevin`: ? |
| 08:02.31 | Kevin` | Burn normal icmp ping |
| 08:02.35 | troubled | nvz: i honestly don't feel like being in the windows tech support for anyone but myself anymore. I have no intention of supporting vista. xp is end of the line for me I think |
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| 08:02.49 | Burn | Kevin`: it only works when I ping from the server to my client |
| 08:03.06 | Kevin` | Burn pastebin the output of iptables-save |
| 08:03.07 | xingu | troubled: you'll be missing out on all the fun; vista finally has an interesting IP stack. :) |
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| 08:03.25 | Kevin` | Burn or, if you immediately see the problem and want to fix it, don't, and fix it, of course |
| 08:03.27 | troubled | xingu: whats so special about it? |
| 08:03.29 | Burn | that's the wierd thing -> from client to server, nogo; from server to client ok; after that from client to server ok |
| 08:03.52 | Kevin` | Burn oh, that's odd. |
| 08:04.13 | Burn | Kevin`: indeed, iptablessave is empty |
| 08:04.17 | troubled | xingu: not to say i will never own a copy of vista. Im sure down the road when i get a new pc, it will be shoved down my throat :) |
| 08:04.31 | nvz | troubled: hah.. I drew the line after windows 98 years ago |
| 08:04.48 | Kevin` | Burn might be time to break out wireshark on each end and repeat the problem |
| 08:04.49 | nvz | troubled: win2k and ME made me reconsider wanting to be a techie at all |
| 08:04.56 | nvz | troubled: then I found debian |
| 08:04.58 | troubled | xingu: i would just sooner do hardware or web/db stuff or something linux based over learning all the bs that is vista |
| 08:05.14 | xingu | troubled: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/cableguy/cg0905.mspx and links. |
| 08:05.44 | troubled | nvz: don't get me started on winme. i still remember how pissed I was when i found out they took out the dos resuce mode just because they could |
| 08:06.15 | nvz | troubled: I just seen an article on OS News recently XP the OS that won't die or something.. saying they are having to release a new version cause of how many people are still using it, and they are running out of activation codes |
| 08:06.18 | Burn | Kevin`: the mac address isn't there anymore in the arp table |
| 08:06.46 | nvz | troubled: XPSP2C or something they are calling it |
| 08:07.05 | troubled | nvz: not sure about the running out of codes problem, but I know they recently released a patch to address accidently invalidated codes or something |
| 08:08.00 | omg0 | wow. Is ping to the outside turned off in debian automatically |
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| 08:08.07 | omg0 | by default |
| 08:08.16 | Burn | omg0: nope |
| 08:08.18 | omg0 | I cannot ping yahoo |
| 08:08.29 | liable | get the tarball or svn and use make |
| 08:08.44 | Kevin` | omg0 no, it's not. it's just you :D |
| 08:08.52 | Kevin` | well, you and Burn |
| 08:09.05 | nvz | yahoo sucks |
| 08:09.54 | Burn | Kevin`: lol, could it be something with the boqrd/system? |
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| 08:10.01 | omg0 | I was thinking I could ping yahoo then track the route out to see how I get out |
| 08:10.08 | Kevin` | Burn doubtful since dhcp and arp continually works |
| 08:10.11 | trebor_win | on http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook they give some fragments of information how to install/configure macbook-touchpad, but important parts are missing. |
| 08:10.25 | omg0 | I get resolution but no replies |
| 08:10.35 | Burn | Kevin`: yestarday I installed lenny, that worked |
| 08:10.37 | trebor_win | what do they mean by: "add these lines to /etc/modprobe.d/"? |
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| 08:11.06 | trebor_win | do i have to create a file containing the lines they mention? how should this file named? |
| 08:11.07 | Burn | trebor_win: that's for loading the modules |
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| 08:11.43 | trebor_win | Burn: do i have to use the lines they mention in a shell directly |
| 08:12.05 | Kevin` | Burn how would you feel about manually updating the kernel to see if drivers are the issue somehow |
| 08:12.11 | omg0 | how can I get the route my box is taking when it goes to the internet? |
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| 08:12.23 | Kevin` | omg0 traceroute google.com |
| 08:12.24 | nvz | route |
| 08:12.39 | nvz | the internet is on the other side of your gateway usually |
| 08:12.53 | nvz | type route and it will tell you |
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| 08:13.49 | xingu | Burn: leny probably uses dhcp3-client at a guess. |
| 08:14.14 | xingu | Burn: installing/ using it may be worth a shot before tampering with kernel rev. |
| 08:14.44 | Kevin` | xingu how would that change behavior if dhcp is already working (and presumably giving the right info) |
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| 08:15.49 | omg0 | Kevin`, tracerounte is showing 2 hops to get there and they are both from my 10. network. Its not showing pass there |
| 08:15.50 | Kevin` | anyone know how to allow recursive lookups for (subdomains of) a specific domain in bind? |
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| 08:15.59 | xingu | Kevin`: may work differently with the netlink events for interface up/down; it's a wild stab in the dark in lieu of information like {ethtool,mii-tool}-based link state info. |
| 08:16.07 | omg0 | is there a something that will give me more details |
| 08:16.21 | Kevin` | omg0 your network admin |
| 08:16.24 | trebor_win | what do i have to do with: install usbhid /sbin/modprobe appletouch; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install usbhid $CMDLINE_OPTS? do i have to put it into a file in /etc/modprobe.d/? |
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| 08:16.42 | troubled | xingu: wow, they finally implemented martian packet dropping in vista? :) |
| 08:16.48 | omg0 | !traceroute |
| 08:16.49 | dpkg | omg0 -- traceroute can be found in the traceroute package, apt-get install traceroute |
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| 08:17.29 | Kevin` | i've heard generally bad things about vista's network stack |
| 08:17.38 | Kevin` | stupid problems with performance and lots of connections |
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| 08:18.13 | Tidus | Kevin`: and you're not far from wrong. any time i try to send anything from vista to a samba server sittin in the corner, it packet storms my network |
| 08:18.19 | Tidus | xp to the same machine works fine |
| 08:18.46 | liable | trebor_win: yes, have a look at the files in there, for a bit of a clue |
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| 08:20.13 | mesof | sup yall12 |
| 08:20.18 | mesof | 12, oh bad typing |
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| 08:20.29 | mesof | !*, there i feel better |
| 08:20.52 | liable | good for you :) |
| 08:20.54 | Kevin` | I hate broadcom. |
| 08:21.02 | liable | good for you :) |
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| 08:21.12 | mesof | Kevin`: why? |
| 08:21.32 | Kevin` | almost no specs or drivers for any of their products |
| 08:21.33 | mesof | cutting your bandwidth |
| 08:21.42 | mesof | sbc is cool, but i fear the upgrades |
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| 08:22.14 | mesof | Kevin`: so don't worry about it, just get it working |
| 08:22.28 | Kevin` | (that said, if any of you can find out how to control a bcm5397, i'd be most greatful) |
| 08:22.33 | mesof | i'm still confused as to how linux verifies the the sbc router, but eh, i'm happy |
| 08:22.34 | Kevin` | mesof getting it working is the problem |
| 08:23.00 | mesof | ah, i know what you mean, you're not fully connected type of deal? |
| 08:23.13 | Kevin` | fully connected to what |
| 08:23.20 | mesof | or you're not connected at all? |
| 08:23.29 | Kevin` | well, wireless is working, actually |
| 08:23.38 | Kevin` | but that's not very useful by itself |
| 08:23.44 | mesof | what are you using to make that work? |
| 08:24.08 | Kevin` | openwrt's mimo wireless driver |
| 08:24.23 | Kevin` | (for broadom) |
| 08:24.27 | mesof | sounds slick |
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| 08:24.54 | Kevin` | getting the ethernet and switch working would be far more useful :) |
| 08:25.00 | omg0 | whats the command to see what DHCP I am using? |
| 08:25.08 | mesof | i really wish i was good at this stuff, i can barely ever just get things working |
| 08:25.33 | mesof | omg0: ifconfig |
| 08:25.37 | mesof | maybe? |
| 08:25.38 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/673262 |
| 08:25.39 | Kevin` | :( |
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| 08:27.34 | Kevin` | heh, getting the ethernet OR switch working would be nice, since I figured out how to reset the switch |
| 08:27.52 | mesof | Kevin`: it's the verification isn't it? |
| 08:27.59 | Kevin` | what verificatino |
| 08:28.03 | Kevin` | *verification |
| 08:28.18 | jetscreamer | you don't configure a switch? |
| 08:28.32 | Kevin` | jetscreamer i'd like to, if I knew how |
| 08:28.33 | Kevin` | :) |
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| 08:28.40 | mesof | like i know with windows for sbc the software like verifies to the router through the drivers |
| 08:28.55 | mesof | and you can connect without the verification, but you get limited connectivity |
| 08:29.08 | jetscreamer | no, i mean one doesn't... there is no configuring a switch, nor a hub... that's why they're switches and hubs |
| 08:29.11 | Kevin` | I acually have sbc. never installed any software, just configured their modem |
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| 08:29.33 | Kevin` | jetscreamer you can configure the vlan settings, port speed and duplex, etc |
| 08:29.36 | jetscreamer | i had sbc from the first day they had dsl |
| 08:29.39 | wols_ | mesof: that doesn't make sense for any mass market ISP anywhere |
| 08:30.09 | Kevin` | mesof as far as I have seen, there IS no verification |
| 08:30.23 | jetscreamer | they used to use ppoe |
| 08:30.26 | jetscreamer | ppp |
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| 08:30.27 | jetscreamer | oe |
| 08:30.55 | jetscreamer | now the default is full on dhcp, with their browser to log into site |
| 08:30.57 | mesof | Kevin`: check the bottom of the router |
| 08:30.59 | kosh | I much prefer the external hardware devices |
| 08:31.08 | kosh | they connect on their own and need nothing special from the os |
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| 08:31.09 | jetscreamer | and a little modem |
| 08:31.10 | marantis | hello |
| 08:31.28 | marantis | how do I convert size in MB/GB to size in BLOCKS ? |
| 08:31.42 | marantis | i need that to reduce an LVM logical volume :( |
| 08:31.45 | marantis | please help ? |
| 08:31.57 | kosh | you are asking that on the python channel? |
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| 08:32.06 | mesof | marantis: what size? |
| 08:32.07 | kosh | oops sorry I was confused |
| 08:32.08 | Kevin` | mesof http://kwzs.be/router.jpg |
| 08:32.15 | marantis | mesof : size of partitions |
| 08:32.22 | mesof | yeah |
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| 08:33.08 | Burn | xingu: a static IP address doesn't work either |
| 08:33.17 | omg0 | I am running DHCP on my Linux box |
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| 08:33.18 | marantis | how do I convert size in MB/GB to size in BLOCKS ? |
| 08:33.30 | omg0 | it is using IP6 also |
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| 08:33.41 | Kevin` | mesof so, what am I looking for in that? |
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| 08:33.50 | mesof | marantis: you would have to know how big a block is |
| 08:33.51 | omg0 | that could be a reason I can't see pass the 10 network |
| 08:33.59 | marantis | mesof: how do I find that out ? |
| 08:34.12 | Kevin` | mesof the PHYSICAL bottom of the modem just has some fcc stuff and a few misc numbers |
| 08:34.14 | mesof | Kevin`: access codes to the router that can be set in the driver config file |
| 08:34.23 | mesof | that will give you full access |
| 08:34.24 | omg0 | how can I see what the external address of the DHCP is or is it any different? |
| 08:34.35 | Kevin` | mesof what config file |
| 08:34.53 | mesof | Kevin`: idk, when i was using the wireless driver |
| 08:34.58 | mesof | gsomething |
| 08:35.26 | mesof | no kwireless, i had to input the access codes to get full bandwidth from the router |
| 08:36.03 | Kevin` | mesof eh? full bandwidth on this router is 1000mbps+400mbps wireless, only thing that matters is actually having the drivers. |
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| 08:36.28 | Burn | anyway is this controller supported? -> Intel® (ESB2/Gilgal) 82563EB Dual-port |
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| 08:37.11 | trebor_win | still trying to get macbook-touchpad (apple-touchpad) to work. |
| 08:37.40 | Kevin` | mesof I don't remember anything special written on the bottom other then the oem serial number and mac address. this is the first i've heard of verification. where do you get this from? |
| 08:38.59 | trebor_win | as root i generated a file in /etc/modprobe.d/appletouch containing "install usbhid /sbin/modprobe appletouch; /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install usbhid $CMDLINE_OPTS" then i did update-initramfs -u. then i logged out and in again |
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| 08:39.12 | trebor_win | but synaptics is still unloaded. |
| 08:39.18 | trebor_win | appletouch is loaded. |
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| 08:39.34 | wsdo_okadr | if i copy a file do entries in ls -lhS <file> modify ? do entries in stat <file> modify ? |
| 08:39.44 | wsdo_okadr | does access time , modify time , or anything at all modifies ? |
| 08:39.56 | trebor_win | what do i have to do to get the touchpad to work? |
| 08:40.27 | mesof | Kevin`: sbc does it |
| 08:40.31 | mesof | Kevin`: i think |
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| 08:40.39 | trebor_win | qsynaptics still gives error messages that shared memory is not available. |
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| 08:40.46 | Kevin` | mesof oh. this isn't an sbc router i'm having problems with |
| 08:40.52 | mesof | i'm not fully sure, a lot of this i go off of assumptions |
| 08:40.58 | Kevin` | sbc router works fine, and didn't require any codes |
| 08:41.09 | mesof | Kevin`: also you can try accessing the configuration web page of the router |
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| 08:41.24 | Kevin` | mesof I don't have one installed |
| 08:41.32 | mesof | it's installed in the router |
| 08:41.36 | Kevin` | no it's not |
| 08:41.45 | mesof | what kind of page |
| 08:41.57 | mesof | router* |
| 08:42.06 | xingu | trebor_win: Option "SHMConfig" "on" <-- in the relevant InputDevice secion for the touchpad |
| 08:42.19 | Kevin` | mesof wrt350n |
| 08:42.38 | mesof | made by who? |
| 08:42.39 | xingu | trebor_win: you may also need: /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse: options psmouse proto=any |
| 08:42.43 | Kevin` | mesof linksys |
| 08:42.54 | mesof | yeah those linksys's have them |
| 08:43.11 | Kevin` | I tell you this one doesn't, at the moment, have a web interface |
| 08:43.24 | Kevin` | # ls -a /www |
| 08:43.24 | Kevin` | . .. |
| 08:43.36 | mesof | try 127.0.0.1 in your web browser |
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| 08:43.41 | pippijn | hi all |
| 08:43.50 | Kevin` | mesof on my desktop? |
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| 08:43.58 | mesof | in the web browser |
| 08:44.02 | trebor_win | xingu: already done (since the beginning) |
| 08:44.02 | Kevin` | .. |
| 08:44.06 | Kevin` | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1 |
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| 08:44.21 | trebor_win | appletouch is not loaded after reboot. |
| 08:44.26 | pippijn | the perl upgrade deleted List::Util and Scalar::Util |
| 08:44.42 | pippijn | and it says it does not support weak references |
| 08:44.54 | pippijn | I am using debian lenny |
| 08:45.08 | mesof | Kevin`: try looking up the manual on linksys.com, it should say how to access the configuration page |
| 08:45.39 | xingu | Burn: should be |
| 08:45.40 | pippijn | those two are critical to just about everything in perl including overload |
| 08:45.40 | Kevin` | mesof I tell you I didn't install one |
| 08:45.46 | trebor_win | how do i have to use update-initramfs? i tried -u. |
| 08:46.01 | xingu | trebor_win: update-initramfs -ctk `uname -r` |
| 08:46.36 | simonrvn | $(uname -r) ftw ;p |
| 08:46.38 | xingu | trebor_win: pastebin /proc/bus/input/devices and /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 08:46.46 | mesof | Kevin`: they come with one, i know it sounds odd, i was shocked to hear they do it this way now, but they do |
| 08:47.03 | mesof | it's physically built into the router's memory |
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| 08:47.09 | Kevin` | mesof oh, it came with one. it doesn't have one now, I didn't like it |
| 08:47.25 | trebor_win | xingu: the macbook does not have any network. |
| 08:47.26 | mesof | Kevin`: you can't just destroy it |
| 08:47.34 | Kevin` | mesof wanna bet? |
| 08:47.34 | xingu | simonrvn: one fewer char, I win. :) |
| 08:47.47 | simonrvn | mine's POSIX, i win ;) |
| 08:47.48 | mesof | Kevin`: one moment |
| 08:47.53 | trebor_win | xingu: i do not find the ` |
| 08:48.13 | trebor_win | (i can not paste) |
| 08:48.27 | xingu | trebor_win: usb keysticks exist; proc/bus/input/devices tells you what the input layer thinks about your touchpad |
| 08:48.30 | Kevin` | mesof if you want, you can ssh into my computer and play around. wort you can do is break some software thing I suppose |
| 08:48.47 | trebor_win | ok, borrowing .... |
| 08:49.34 | xingu | simonrvn: mine's supported on every real sysvsh everywhere, I win. :) |
| 08:50.01 | wsdo_okadr | can anyone give an example please on how to use touch to change access time of a file ? |
| 08:50.09 | wsdo_okadr | i just tried and also read manual |
| 08:50.15 | wsdo_okadr | and i don't know how to use it |
| 08:50.20 | xingu | wsdo_okadr: think about what you just asked for 2s |
| 08:50.55 | mesof | Kevin`: my ports are blocked up ATM, google linksys configuration page and go to the first link |
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| 08:51.10 | mesof | it tells you how to get to it |
| 08:51.18 | mesof | it's built in the firmware it says |
| 08:51.26 | trebor_win | simonrvn: update-initramfs -ctk $(uname -r) -> symbols function definition is void ... |
| 08:51.29 | xingu | Burn: what does ethtool think about speed/ duplex of the link? |
| 08:51.33 | wsdo_okadr | xingu: am I totally wrong ? |
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| 08:51.37 | simonrvn | xingu: every outdated sysvsh everywhere ;p |
| 08:51.42 | trebor_win | ok. i will get an usb-stick. |
| 08:51.49 | simonrvn | xingu: i'm just fooling around :) |
| 08:52.04 | mesof | ies moreless technical |
| 08:52.24 | xingu | wsdo_okadr: the kernel maintains /access/ time and will update it as soon as the file has been close()'d |
| 08:52.59 | xingu | wsdo_okadr: updating it, assuming that were possible, using touch would be a no-op; touch would update atime, then the kernel would restamp it as $NOW |
| 08:53.22 | Kevin` | mesof here, perhaps this will put it in perspective: http://kwzs.be/console.txt |
| 08:53.26 | simonrvn | man touch ;) |
| 08:53.32 | xingu | wsdo_okadr: you may get different results if you remount the filesystem with noatime |
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| 08:53.48 | simonrvn | mesof: woo :) |
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| 08:54.02 | simonrvn | mesof: er, meant for marc7 |
| 08:54.35 | simonrvn | i didn't check if the eclipse was visible from here |
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| 08:54.47 | marc7 | simon: where are you? |
| 08:54.56 | simonrvn | east coast |
| 08:55.03 | simonrvn | northeast |
| 08:55.03 | xingu | of the sea of tranquility |
| 08:55.06 | ApEtc | The eclipse just started here |
| 08:55.07 | ApEtc | (Arizona) |
| 08:55.08 | cpina | hi! |
| 08:55.10 | marc7 | you should see it, 5AM ish |
| 08:55.18 | simonrvn | oh, ok |
| 08:55.20 | simonrvn | brb ;) |
| 08:55.30 | Kevin` | mesof that help some? :) |
| 08:55.31 | marc7 | just starting |
| 08:55.43 | marc7 | it'll be going on for awhile |
| 08:55.57 | cpina | one question: which is the best way to install openoffice 2.2.1 in a x86-64 debian etch box? (as openoffice doesn't release x86-64 binaries and debian doesn't offer openoffice 2.2.1 for etch) |
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| 08:56.01 | Ast001 | hello |
| 08:56.11 | simonrvn | just started... sliver of black across the top |
| 08:56.12 | Ast001 | can you help me ? I need to update alsa module |
| 08:56.19 | Ast001 | to get sound |
| 08:56.35 | Ast001 | Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
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| 08:56.56 | mesof | Kevin`: are you plugged in or wireless |
| 08:57.22 | Kevin` | mesof both if needed, that's from the console(serial) though |
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| 08:58.59 | mesof | did you try the debian forums? |
| 08:59.07 | cpina | mmm... it seems that backports.org has it :-) |
| 09:00.19 | wsdo_okadr | xingu: you are perfectly right.how do i boot my machine with noatime ? |
| 09:00.28 | mesof | try pinging outerspace |
| 09:00.33 | mesof | lol |
| 09:00.42 | xingu | wsdo_okadr: add noatime to mount options column in /etc/fstab |
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| 09:01.10 | Ast001 | and modprobe snd_hda_intel gives me :WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-amd64/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-codec.ko': No such file or directory |
| 09:01.30 | xingu | wsdo_okadr: nb, if you're using atime as part of an incremental/differential backup strategy, this will impact. |
| 09:01.40 | mesof | !tmc |
| 09:01.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, tmc is TOO MUCH CODE!!! |
| 09:02.26 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! I'm using a self-compiled kernel and now my usb stick just shows of as "sda" not as "sda1". So the partition (which i created with linux) is not recognized. |
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| 09:02.40 | karsten | cpina: Gotany particular reason for sticking with etch vs. lenny/testing? |
| 09:02.58 | Kevin` | ErkiDerLoony did you include support for the partition type your using? is the device readable? |
| 09:03.04 | karsten | ErkiDerLoony: Your stick should be /dev/sda (or sde, or similar). The partitions should show on it.. |
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| 09:03.27 | peanut | hi i have a special kind of network interface (endace), it's not setup in ifconfig or anything. |
| 09:03.40 | peanut | but now i would like to see how many bytes are passing through the interface |
| 09:03.41 | ErkiDerLoony | Yes, |
| 09:03.46 | peanut | it this possible in some way?. |
| 09:03.46 | wsdo_okadr | xingu: it seems i can't convince my sysadmin to let me modify /etc/fstab |
| 09:04.01 | ErkiDerLoony | Yes, i did include vfat-support and the device is readable. |
| 09:04.12 | Kevin` | peanut endance is a company, not a specific device |
| 09:04.17 | GuHHH | !hi |
| 09:04.17 | dpkg | hello, guhhh |
| 09:04.39 | peanut | Kevin`, indeed, that's what I meant |
| 09:04.47 | ErkiDerLoony | As i said "/dev/sda" is created but not "/dev/sda1". |
| 09:04.47 | peanut | it's a special knd of interface from endace |
| 09:05.12 | wsdo_okadr | xingu: is there any way i can have mount use something else other than /etc/fstab when booting ? |
| 09:05.14 | Kevin` | peanut ok, so, did they give you a driver or does it use an existing supported chipset |
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| 09:05.28 | peanut | but is it possible to keep track of how many bytes pass through the interface with standard gnu tools or anything? |
| 09:05.44 | peanut | Kevin`, we have a specific driver from endace |
| 09:05.59 | Kevin` | peanut ok, and what interface does the driver provide to linux |
| 09:06.17 | xingu | wsdo_okadr: not really, that's where the boot scripts take the initial view of what needs to be mounted from; you can always remount them later in a shellscript. |
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| 09:06.35 | xingu | peanut: ifconfig should show bytes in/ bytes out |
| 09:06.48 | qrck | how do i sent a command to an already running process ? |
| 09:06.55 | peanut | Kevin`, I'm not 100% sure what you mean but they provide some tools to gather all kinds of information, but I can't find anything that gives the total amount of bytes that passed through the inteface |
| 09:07.04 | simonrvn | xingu: i already had my 'scooby snack' ;p hehe |
| 09:07.11 | azeem | qrck: you cannot in general, best you can do is send signals |
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| 09:07.38 | qrck | azeem: what kind of signal would it be then ? |
| 09:07.41 | Kevin` | peanut well, either find out what exactly the tools are doing on your system, or ask endance. |
| 09:07.46 | Kevin` | endace* |
| 09:07.48 | azeem | qrck: depends on what you want to achieve |
| 09:08.12 | qrck | azeem: just send a new url to a running instance of for example xmms or mp3blaster |
| 09:08.15 | peanut | ok, I'llr ead some more. I hoped it was possible with some standard gnu command :) |
| 09:08.24 | azeem | qrck: there's no signal for that |
| 09:08.26 | qrck | azeem: and i don't want to start a new process for it |
| 09:08.40 | Kevin` | peanut it might be, but you haven't given any indication of exactly how the device is actually used from linux |
| 09:08.43 | azeem | but maybe those applications have a way to do this, no idea |
| 09:09.08 | Kevin` | peanut it's not like there's some magic way to say "do this to this unknown, proprietary device with an unknown interface" |
| 09:09.24 | simonrvn | later everyone, have fun. been up longer than iwanted to. plus side is that i got to see part of the eclipse :) |
| 09:09.37 | peanut | i see what you mean, I'll try to gather some more information |
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| 09:10.00 | xingu | peanut: is this one of their DAG cards? |
| 09:10.07 | peanut | xingu, yes |
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| 09:10.39 | mesof | snownews is cool |
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| 09:11.04 | mesof | i guess i mean that rss is cool |
| 09:11.32 | liable | ohnos |
| 09:12.01 | mesof | well, look who it is |
| 09:12.29 | xingu | peanut: you're screwed; basically you need to use their closed API to do anything at all; here's one user of it... http://www.tcpdump.org/lists/workers/2003/08/msg00250.html |
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| 09:12.36 | xingu | peanut: that will let any pcap enabled tool capture from the card and you can build on that; or, you can learn the api and write a little code yourself. |
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| 09:13.30 | xingu | peanut: but those cards (DAG) aren't "network devices" as far as the linux stack is concerned - in fact they're not really anything, just a proprietry device class with a blob/api to interface against. |
| 09:13.35 | D-Fender | i ran an apt-get update and got this error: |
| 09:13.38 | D-Fender | W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 09:13.45 | D-Fender | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 09:13.52 | D-Fender | how do i fix it? |
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| 09:14.09 | troubled | D-Fender: read the topic is a start |
| 09:14.11 | peanut | ok, we already have some free pascal code that is able to use the dag api and process the raw packets |
| 09:14.17 | wAndyw | apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 09:14.30 | peanut | so I think it will be the easiest to built the "byte counter" into that code |
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| 09:14.51 | mesof | i must go now |
| 09:14.57 | wAndyw | D-Fender: read my last post |
| 09:15.08 | D-Fender | wAndyw, already did, thanks |
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| 09:15.15 | Kevin` | it would probably be easier to find generic pcap based programs to do what you need |
| 09:15.30 | wAndyw | D-Fender: Works? |
| 09:15.41 | D-Fender | hmm... is audacious 1.3 in etch yet? |
| 09:15.49 | D-Fender | wAndyw, yes, thanks |
| 09:16.02 | xingu | peanut: nb, from the tail of that thread, the endace api support has been merged upstream; so if you rebuild libpcap, you can probably enable it. |
| 09:16.32 | peanut | ok thx |
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| 09:18.21 | Raven737 | Hi, Question: is it bad to use an etch kernel (2.6.18) image with an older sarge release? |
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| 09:19.19 | xingu | peanut: it's worth doing, ntop and fprobe for instance can both export netflow from pcap capture. |
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| 09:22.19 | xdr | wich pkg does libstdc++ belong to? |
| 09:22.27 | D-Fender | what is the current testing name? |
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| 09:22.47 | xingu | xdr: libstdc++[56]\* |
| 09:22.54 | xdr | ok thx |
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| 09:32.56 | Sebo | Hi!! I need a tool that can copy the partition over LAN to PC that is curently without OS ;] any ideas?? |
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| 09:33.18 | tarzeau | Sebo: you need a live cd which is netbootable? |
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| 09:33.52 | Sebo | My situation is more complicated ;] |
| 09:34.06 | tarzeau | i am not a mindreader :) |
| 09:34.25 | Sebo | ...I'm trying to inslall some os on PC with broken CD rom |
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| 09:34.56 | tarzeau | Sebo: can you network boot? or replace the broken CD? another option is to install the hd in another computer, then put it back |
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| 09:35.53 | Sebo | I can't replace hardware cose it is laptop ;] |
| 09:36.12 | tarzeau | i have never seen a laptop with unreplaceable cd-rom drive |
| 09:36.20 | tarzeau | nor glued in harddisk |
| 09:36.29 | XPSlammer | tarzeau: you've never seen a macbook then |
| 09:36.29 | Sebo | And its cd works fine but only for abaut few minutes - then it stops |
| 09:36.36 | tarzeau | XPSlammer: yes i have |
| 09:36.55 | XPSlammer | tarzeau: they are effectively sealed units. |
| 09:36.55 | tarzeau | Sebo: either you have warranty or you don't. |
| 09:37.03 | tarzeau | XPSlammer: did you ever open one? |
| 09:37.27 | tarzeau | XPSlammer: i've not had to repair a macbook yet, but i did few imacs and mac minis |
| 09:37.30 | Sebo | so it is enough to load some small tool botable from cd to get everything else from net but not enough to gel all os from there |
| 09:37.48 | Internat | hmm speaking of repairing macbooks uve reminded me i need to go yell at apple about my powercable |
| 09:38.20 | fishsponge__ | can anyone help me with spamassassin and exim4, on debian, of course? i'm not getting any joy from #spamassassin unfortunately... |
| 09:38.32 | Sebo | I don't have warranty but the hardwer just dont fit to my traditional PC ;] |
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| 09:39.26 | Ast001 | and soundcard works with knoppix 32bit with snd_hda_intel and with etch amd64 it does not ? |
| 09:39.37 | MajorPoopyPants | I have run apt-get install gnome and set up my xorg.conf, |
| 09:39.50 | MajorPoopyPants | I have installed xserver-xorg |
| 09:39.55 | MajorPoopyPants | what else am I missing? |
| 09:40.04 | MajorPoopyPants | lots of font errors and I still cant startx |
| 09:40.13 | tarzeau | MajorPoopyPants: x-window-system-core and menu |
| 09:40.23 | tarzeau | MajorPoopyPants: xserver is only half of X11 |
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| 09:41.18 | Sebo | so I thought I could start the instalation on another computer and then just copy the partition over the network |
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| 09:41.53 | runev | vim question. is there anyway to define :source, without using $VIMVARIABLE. For example in .vimrc or so |
| 09:42.55 | Burn | Kevin`: the problem is solved by compiling the Intel E1000 drivers |
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| 09:44.00 | Kevin` | asdf |
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| 09:46.05 | slapfaceware | is there documentation about how to debug exim server? |
| 09:46.44 | alex__ | slapfaceware, #exim |
| 09:47.04 | petemc | slapfaceware: /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 09:47.05 | alex__ | slapfaceware, or alternativly, install postfix :P |
| 09:47.07 | omg0 | ok. Kevin this is simple stuff for you guys. I have a 10 network that's a subset of a 192 network and I want the machines on the networks to be able to ping each other. What do I need to do |
| 09:47.13 | petemc | alex__: why do that? |
| 09:47.37 | alex__ | exim is better? |
| 09:47.39 | slapfaceware | i need a guide about debugging and trouble shooting exim4 server |
| 09:47.43 | slapfaceware | yes exim is better |
| 09:48.00 | petemc | slapfaceware: exim has lots of debugging options, exim -d -btuser@address to see how it would handle a mail, exim -bhc to do a fake session with debugging |
| 09:48.03 | alex__ | omg0, make the subnet mask 0.0.0.0 or install a router to bridge the two subnets |
| 09:48.17 | fishsponge__ | can anyone help me with spamassassin and exim4, on debian, of course? i'm not getting any joy from #spamassassin unfortunately... |
| 09:48.21 | alex__ | why is exim better? |
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| 09:48.23 | slapfaceware | petemc, i want what you said to be documented |
| 09:48.35 | petemc | slapfaceware: it is |
| 09:48.35 | alex__ | fishsponge__, look on howtoforge.org |
| 09:48.36 | Kevin` | omg0 use a router. |
| 09:48.40 | slapfaceware | petemc, where |
| 09:48.45 | petemc | slapfaceware: exim.org |
| 09:48.54 | alex__ | slapfaceware, #exim |
| 09:49.05 | petemc | alex__: stop saying that |
| 09:49.19 | Kevin` | omg0 exactly what to do depends on information you haven't given, like what you already have and how the networks are connected |
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| 09:50.33 | Ronin | alex__: its' not better like most things its a personal choice |
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| 09:51.17 | alex__ | okay, i think postfix is better :) |
| 09:51.25 | graytron | anyone know how i could manage to install only xserver-xorg-video-mga video driver without all the other video drivers? |
| 09:51.32 | petemc | alex__: do you know anything about exim? |
| 09:51.46 | Kevin` | graytron apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-mga |
| 09:51.55 | slapfaceware | exim is best mta out there |
| 09:52.01 | Ronin | !mta war |
| 09:52.08 | Ronin | fine be that way |
| 09:52.14 | petemc | start a.. |
| 09:52.19 | Ronin | oh ya :) |
| 09:52.19 | fishsponge__ | also, i keep noticing that sa uses 99% of CPU for a very long time something - why is this>? |
| 09:52.41 | alex__ | petemc, you used postfix? |
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| 09:52.56 | fishsponge__ | in fact, it's been using 99% of CPU for 2 monutes now, on a message that it previous checked in less than a second |
| 09:53.01 | fishsponge__ | any ideas why this is happening? |
| 09:53.17 | alex__ | petemc, im not sure of the differences between postfix and exim |
| 09:53.19 | petemc | alex__: ive looked at it, you'll also note i havent said "exim is the best" , i do happen to know the strengths of each tho |
| 09:53.35 | alex__ | petemc, cool, list some, i might change to exim |
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| 09:53.49 | XPSlammer | 1) exim is the best. |
| 09:53.54 | Ronin | alex__: you have of course checked thier respective web sites |
| 09:53.55 | XPSlammer | 2) See 1. |
| 09:54.00 | petemc | alex__: try it yourself, then you'll be qualified to say if you think its better |
| 09:54.25 | alex__ | XPSlammer, please list some examples why exim is better |
| 09:54.28 | petemc | fwiw, exim has a finer grained acl system, able to run checks at each step of the smtp transaction |
| 09:55.16 | petemc | the configuration is quite simple once you grasp the basics |
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| 09:55.38 | Ronin | unlike the mta i use heh, ok it does get easier i admit |
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| 09:57.30 | ruben_ | Hello, I am using ssh with socket feature to do not reautentificate again if I have a socket, but I can only to do max 10 connections, any idea? |
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| 09:59.34 | fishsponge__ | alex__: i've looked on howtoforge.org and i can't see it obviously |
| 09:59.57 | fishsponge__ | and anyway - i have it working, just not *quite* how i need it |
| 10:00.27 | fishsponge__ | i.e. no working subject-line mods, spamd using 99% of CPU and just hanging sometimes... |
| 10:00.32 | XPSlammer | ruben_: there's no such word as "authentificate" |
| 10:01.35 | SlimG | How do I configure dhcpd.conf with individual rules for each nic? |
| 10:01.47 | petemc | fishsponge__: you need to limit the size of messages that get passed to sa |
| 10:02.11 | wols_ | SlimG: do you also need a caching dns proxy? if so, use dnsmasq. easy to use |
| 10:02.17 | ruben_ | XPSlammer: authenticate instead |
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| 10:05.54 | piecesandbits | OT: If any of you are here from the pacific rim.....peek outside....the eclipse is fantastic |
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| 10:06.33 | SlimG | wols_: nope, no need for dnsmasq |
| 10:07.17 | liable | cloudy here :( |
| 10:07.37 | Penix | same |
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| 10:09.29 | SlimG | How do I configure dhcpd.conf with individual rules for each nic? |
| 10:09.48 | xand | man dhcpd |
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| 10:14.06 | JediMaster | hi guys, I'm having problems with an NFS share that has been working for over a month that has gone down, but I can't seem to get it to mount now, not sure how I should go about debuging it. mount just hangs for about 5 minutes then tells me that the remote server is down. but I've restarted portmap and nfs-kernel-server and no luck, any ideas? |
| 10:15.28 | alex__ | can you ping the server |
| 10:15.29 | alex__ | ? |
| 10:15.36 | JediMaster | yes |
| 10:15.48 | alex__ | using samba? |
| 10:16.01 | fishsponge__ | petemc: but this is only a small message though |
| 10:16.03 | JediMaster | no, just nfs |
| 10:16.13 | fishsponge__ | petemc: can you offer any further assistance? |
| 10:16.14 | JediMaster | it's across the internet |
| 10:16.25 | fishsponge__ | petemc: this used to work with my older version... |
| 10:19.20 | petemc | fishsponge__: you're using spamd? |
| 10:19.39 | fishsponge__ | yes, i am |
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| 10:19.53 | JediMaster | alex__: is there a port I can telnet into to see if it's up? |
| 10:19.54 | petemc | fishsponge__: what size is the message? |
| 10:20.01 | fishsponge__ | how do i find out? |
| 10:20.03 | fishsponge__ | less than 1KB |
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| 10:20.43 | petemc | fishsponge__: that certainly shouldnt happen, are you using stock sa config? |
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| 10:21.15 | CharminTheMoose | grrr |
| 10:21.16 | fishsponge__ | well, this is an old installation, which i then upgraded manually, and broke, and then ran "apt-get install spamassassin" to overwrite whatever it needed to in order to install the latest version |
| 10:21.26 | CharminTheMoose | gcc-2.95 doesn't come with cc1plus |
| 10:21.27 | fishsponge__ | which is SpamAssassin version 3.1.7-deb running on Perl version 5.8.4 |
| 10:21.27 | CharminTheMoose | :( |
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| 10:22.18 | petemc | fishsponge__: thats the version im using and its fine.. |
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| 10:22.29 | fishsponge__ | petemc: if it's ok, can we walk through my config? it's not very complicated... |
| 10:22.34 | kaushal_ | hi |
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| 10:23.00 | fishsponge__ | petemc: "/etc/exim4/exim4.conf" contains a router ans transport - are you logged into #flood? |
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| 10:23.33 | petemc | fishsponge__: im not, i run sa from the acls |
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| 10:23.44 | CharminTheMoose | ah that's the problem |
| 10:23.45 | fishsponge__ | petemc: maybe you could help me do it that way then? |
| 10:23.54 | fishsponge__ | petemc: i guess running from the ACL's is better |
| 10:24.07 | petemc | fishsponge__: there are plenty of guides, i use my own custom config, not the debian way |
| 10:24.20 | fishsponge__ | ok, well caqn we walk through my config anyway? |
| 10:24.30 | fishsponge__ | i'm familiar with routers and transports etc... i just need a second pair of eyes |
| 10:24.30 | CharminTheMoose | erm, is there supposed to be a cc1plus in the /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux-gnu/2.95.4 directory? |
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| 10:24.57 | fishsponge__ | petemc: i've been through guides before, and i'm now at the "i'm stuck" stage |
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| 10:25.28 | petemc | fishsponge__: you have other problems than sa using lots of cpu? |
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| 10:25.53 | fishsponge__ | exim basically passes the email to "/usr/bin/spamc" and has the "command" parameter of "/usr/sbin/exim4 -oMr spam-scanned -bS" |
| 10:26.02 | fishsponge__ | that has not changed, so i assume it's ok |
| 10:26.11 | petemc | fishsponge__: as i said, i use the acls |
| 10:26.14 | CuBe0wL | hi all |
| 10:26.37 | fishsponge__ | can you point me at a fool-proof tutorial for using the ACLs with debian, on this version of SA and exim then? |
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| 10:26.42 | CuBe0wL | I'd like to ask a minor question: has there ever been debian 3.2 ? |
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| 10:28.04 | benkong2 | hello all |
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| 10:29.09 | funky | CuBe0wL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 10:29.28 | CuBe0wL | funky thx |
| 10:29.32 | funky | np |
| 10:29.33 | benkong2 | I tried to build a custom kernel that did not work. Now I get an error mds. from dpkg about partially configured... |
| 10:29.36 | petemc | fishsponge__: i dont know any offhand, the stuff you would need to edit would be in /etc/exim4/conf.d/acl/ |
| 10:30.02 | petemc | fishsponge__: you would need exim4-daemon-heavy installed |
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| 10:30.19 | benkong2 | initramfs-tools and it is still trying to load modules from the custom kernel dir. |
| 10:30.25 | CuBe0wL | funky, this is why I asked: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2015665496.html |
| 10:30.33 | benkong2 | what can I do to fix it? |
| 10:30.39 | CuBe0wL | "Currently, Signalbau Huber's Actros controller is based on Debian GNU/Linux 3.2." |
| 10:30.59 | Phil4 | guys, where can I download the Lenny daily build netinstall disks from? |
| 10:31.01 | graytron | Kevin`: does not work. that will install xserver-xorg-video-all, so i guess its impossible |
| 10:31.10 | Phil4 | the links on the site show a blank index |
| 10:31.11 | funky | CuBe0wL: a typo |
| 10:31.23 | CuBe0wL | yep, I assumed :) |
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| 10:31.48 | Penix | Phil4: this link? http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:32.04 | Phil4 | I'm there |
| 10:32.07 | Phil4 | click the i386 link |
| 10:32.18 | Phil4 | just shows a blank index |
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| 10:33.28 | kaushal_ | hi |
| 10:33.38 | benkong2 | would somone look here and tell me how to fix my dpkg error? http://pastebin.ca/673355 |
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| 10:33.48 | kaushal_ | find . -name "urltracker-urls_000_of_001*.0" -mtime "Apr" | wc -l |
| 10:34.02 | kaushal_ | find: invalid argument `Apr' to `-mtime' |
| 10:34.04 | kaushal_ | 0 |
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| 10:34.25 | kaushal_ | actually I am looking only for the month of Apr |
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| 10:36.59 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:36.59 | dpkg | <pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
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| 10:38.01 | USER_ | γεια σε όλους |
| 10:38.24 | liable | english |
| 10:38.35 | USER_ | hi everybody |
| 10:38.48 | liable | hola |
| 10:39.13 | USER_ | does anyone know how to install driver for nvidia 6150 amd64 stable? |
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| 10:40.58 | kaushal_ | :( |
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| 10:43.41 | USER_ | ok 2nd i get message printk: 5000 messages supressed |
| 10:44.06 | xdr | anyone know a windowhandler similar to windowmaker wich is up to date? |
| 10:44.58 | streuner | !wm |
| 10:44.59 | dpkg | methinks window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
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| 10:45.27 | streuner | try openbox or fluxbox |
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| 10:49.35 | nox-Hand | If I accidentally insatlled a highly unstable version of a pckage, and wan tto install the old version - how can I do this? gdebi, for example, says that "A later version is already installed" and therefore I cannot install it. I can't uninstall the newer package yet since I have tons of packages that depends on it. |
| 10:49.41 | nox-Hand | What do I do? |
| 10:50.17 | liable | if its has packages that depend on it, your kinda screwed |
| 10:50.44 | minase | Just let it remove them all (presuming this isn't a production machine). They'll be put back when you install the stable package |
| 10:50.47 | streuner | nox-Hand: Does the package have a name? |
| 10:51.42 | nox-Hand | streuner: libc6 |
| 10:51.57 | liable | your screwed |
| 10:52.46 | streuner | !downgrade |
| 10:52.46 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 10:53.10 | nox-Hand | liable: Completely screwed? |
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| 10:53.33 | streuner | re-install |
| 10:53.52 | nox-Hand | streuner: Nooooooes :O |
| 10:53.59 | streuner | ok |
| 10:54.02 | liable | nox-Hand: libc6 is one of the nastiest packages when it breaks, and just about everything depends on it, so yeah. |
| 10:54.07 | streuner | !tell nox-Hand about sid faq |
| 10:55.08 | nox-Hand | liable: I can't really do apt-get remove and then apt-get install as apt depends on libc6, doesn't it? |
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| 10:55.21 | fishsponge__ | does anyone know why spamd keeps eating 99% of CPU and never returning? |
| 10:55.27 | nox-Hand | Can't I manually extract the file and put it where it should be? No apt, just slavework |
| 10:55.34 | Trewas | nox-Hand: btw where did you find "highly unstable" libc6? testing and unstable has now the same version and there is no version in experimental |
| 10:55.42 | fishsponge__ | i get lots of pread(12, "\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0000\31\0\0\0\0\0\0\227J\0\0\346\1\354\3"..., 4096, 26411008) = 4096 |
| 10:55.42 | fishsponge__ | pread(12, "\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\227J\0\0000\31\0\0\0\0\0\0&\0\f\17\0\2"..., 4096, 78213120) = 4096 |
| 10:55.45 | fishsponge__ | etc... |
| 10:55.48 | liable | nox-Hand: you really dont want to be doing that |
| 10:56.20 | nox-Hand | liable:I know |
| 10:56.27 | nox-Hand | Trewas: Googled it |
| 10:56.27 | streuner | liable: dude, if you asking such kind of questions, just re-install! |
| 10:56.41 | nox-Hand | Alright, I'll ask no more :) |
| 10:56.44 | liable | streuner: no thanks |
| 10:56.54 | streuner | nox-Hand: ^^ |
| 10:56.55 | Trewas | nox-Hand: hah, well you deserve the pain if you installed libc6 from some non-debian source :) |
| 10:57.07 | streuner | liable: :-) |
| 10:57.15 | liable | :P |
| 10:57.38 | nox-Hand | Trewas: how about apt-get install libc6="version"? |
| 10:57.43 | xlq | Oregano is completely broken |
| 10:57.46 | nox-Hand | The following packages will be DOWNGRADED: libc6 |
| 10:57.49 | nox-Hand | ? |
| 10:58.10 | liable | !libc6 |
| 10:58.10 | dpkg | well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 10:58.12 | liable | nox-Hand: ^^^ |
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| 10:58.17 | xlq | I'll have to build it from source |
| 10:58.32 | nox-Hand | liable: Ow. |
| 10:58.38 | Trewas | nox-Hand: well, you can try, as the other option is re-installing... |
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| 11:00.08 | vaq | In which package do i find the "gem" command compiler? |
| 11:00.21 | nox-Hand | liable: Count my blessings, try it? If it fails, reinstall then? |
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| 11:00.58 | liable | nox-Hand: sure |
| 11:01.09 | nox-Hand | What command would tar up my /home just in case? |
| 11:01.42 | fishsponge__ | does anyone know why spamd keeps eating 99% of CPU and never returning? i desperately need some help if anyone can offer any... |
| 11:01.44 | liable | nox-Hand: aptitude has version selection or if that fails you can force it with dpkg. |
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| 11:02.21 | vaq | In which package do i find the "gem" command compiler? |
| 11:02.33 | liable | !tell vaq about search |
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| 11:02.36 | streuner | !selections |
| 11:02.41 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 11:02.46 | vaq | liable: i tried apt-file search gem |
| 11:03.01 | streuner | read the factoid |
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| 11:03.23 | vaq | found it. rubygems |
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| 11:04.40 | nox-Hand | Alright... trying now. |
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| 11:05.13 | tip | selamlar.. pardustaki service komutunun debiandaki karşılıı neyd acaba.. debianı yeni kullanmaya başladı. saygılar |
| 11:05.13 | liable | killed dpkg |
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| 11:05.22 | liable | not a good omen :P |
| 11:05.34 | liable | tip: english |
| 11:05.41 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 11:05.44 | dpkg | hola, streuner |
| 11:05.47 | tip | ok sorry |
| 11:06.26 | tip | how am i start kde on konsol?? |
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| 11:07.04 | liable | startx startkde |
| 11:07.44 | tip | liable: ok thanks |
| 11:08.15 | PDani | how can i set the port of ssh in mc? |
| 11:08.34 | streuner | you don't |
| 11:08.40 | streuner | man sshd_config |
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| 11:09.08 | streuner | wait, you want just give a different port in shell? |
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| 11:09.53 | PDani | streuner: i mean, i would like to make a "shell link" with mc to a server, which has a different ssh port setting than the default 22 |
| 11:10.20 | streuner | ssh -p <port> <user>@<host> |
| 11:10.37 | streuner | if you want that in "mc", just read mc documentation |
| 11:10.59 | PDani | i did that, and i found nothing about it... |
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| 11:11.12 | nox-Hand | It's pulling in a load of libs that were removed again |
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| 11:11.34 | plm156 | is there a channel for bsd on freenode ? |
| 11:11.53 | liable | one would think #bsd at a guess |
| 11:11.53 | SlayerXP | plm156: you could join one and find out. |
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| 11:12.10 | plm156 | no-one at #bsd |
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| 11:12.46 | plm156 | SlayerXP, but if i do not know the name how to i join it ? |
| 11:12.55 | xand | plm156: which bsd? |
| 11:12.56 | plm156 | "do i" |
| 11:13.01 | plm156 | openbsd |
| 11:13.02 | xand | there's #freebsd, #macosx, etc |
| 11:13.06 | xand | did you try #openbsd? |
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| 11:13.36 | plm156 | xand, thanks |
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| 11:14.23 | killers | helo. what's prefered front-end for editing partitions? console one prefered |
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| 11:15.16 | liable | cfdisk is good |
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| 11:16.49 | khaur | maybe this is a bit strange request to make here, but i need a fair (as if that was possible) comparison between windows and linux as a server platform. it can be debian-specific, and would actually be good if it was debian-specific. anyone happen to know one? ;) |
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| 11:18.36 | fireba11_grr | khaur: compare in what aspect ? |
| 11:18.51 | nox-Hand | Right |
| 11:18.52 | nox-Hand | Looks OK |
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| 11:19.16 | fireba11 | khaur : speed, security, reliability ? |
| 11:19.48 | liable | configurability, price, software ? |
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| 11:21.12 | khaur | fireba11: probably most important in this case is ease of remote administration, and more precisely setting up webserver, svn, openvpn and some other stuff |
| 11:21.29 | Dark-Fx | linux> windows |
| 11:21.29 | Dark-Fx | There |
| 11:21.33 | trebor_win | appletouch-synaptics? i searched alot in the web about it the web. i created /etc/modprobe.d/appletouch ("install /sbin/modprobe appletouch && sleep 2 && /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install usbhid $CMDLINE_OPTS"), i added a section with an inputdevice, driver "synaptics" ... " Option "SHMConfig" "on", called update-initramfs -ctk 2.6.18-4-686 ----> after doing <ctrl-alt-del> or <reboot> a start of qsynaptics results in an error |
| 11:21.33 | trebor_win | saying *shmconfig disabled*. what am i missing? |
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| 11:27.45 | trebor_win | ok, messed up question. |
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| 11:28.40 | trebor_win | i put the section into /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 11:28.51 | khaur | Dark-Fx: i'm afraid that's not enough for someone who has only ever really used windows ;) |
| 11:28.51 | streuner | PDani: try ML then -> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc |
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| 11:30.19 | Dark-Fx | khaur: well, ssh allows really easy remote administration. Installing stuff in debian is as easy as running a command, say, apt-get install apache2. |
| 11:30.42 | Dark-Fx | Then the configuration from there would be essentially the same as apache2 on windows |
| 11:30.42 | nox-Hand | Full recovery! |
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| 11:32.02 | wols_ | khaur: the only reason that windows makes sense if you want to be a 100% true-blue MS shop |
| 11:32.35 | wols_ | then windows is better. but don't ask for the pricetag (hard and software) and remote administration |
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| 11:33.24 | wols_ | the upside is, it's easier to integrate your clients (if any), like using outlook/office there. if it's web and internet stuff only: go Unix aka Linux |
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| 11:36.29 | DrAk0 | anyone here success installing debian on a HP DC 7700 ? |
| 11:38.08 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 11:38.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 11:38.23 | DrAk0 | wols_, thats the question |
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| 11:38.52 | DrAk0 | wols_, it keep crashing on install attemps on pci hardware |
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| 11:39.01 | khaur | it's just that i've made these detailed plans on how to setup things on linux, but the person in charge only knows windows. and therefore, he's obviously pushing windows. i'm afraid i would have to configure it even if we choose windows, and i'm going to pull my hair out if we go that route :) |
| 11:39.09 | khaur | but i don't think we need anything windows-specific |
| 11:39.10 | DrAk0 | "probing pci hardware" |
| 11:39.13 | DrAk0 | and hangs |
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| 11:43.44 | growler | doing a fresh Etch install, if I deselect everything in tasksel the install hangs during installing packages. To get it to continue I have to kill the aptitude that's being run. |
| 11:44.22 | growler | as far as I can tell it seems to be trying to install openoffice (which I don't want anyway - why's it trying to install that when I didn't select Desktop from tasksel) |
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| 11:47.49 | DrAk0 | wols_, any clue? |
| 11:47.51 | bethor | hi, could someone suggest a simple completly hardware based RAID controller for ATA/133. There is so many fake hardware RAID controllers that it is a nightmare for me to find the right. |
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| 11:49.03 | trebor_win | how can i manage synaptics to work with macbook-touchpad (appletouch)? |
| 11:49.14 | wols_ | bethor: 3Ware. real hardware raid is never "simple" and never cheap |
| 11:49.33 | wols_ | DrAk0: when exactly does it crash? |
| 11:49.57 | DrAk0 | wols_, on install boot at "probing pci hardware" |
| 11:50.08 | wAndyw | Hi, there must be a trick using synergy with a dual-head PC. How do I edit synergy.conf that i can tell that I have 2 Monitors at one PC and 1 Monitor on the other? |
| 11:50.21 | DrAk0 | wols_, i tried with pci=conf1 and it booted but did not see the cdrom nor the NIC |
| 11:50.52 | DrAk0 | wAndyw, use quicksenergy |
| 11:51.32 | wAndyw | These option is not available in quicksynergy |
| 11:51.44 | bethor | wols_: It is for a light-weight sever but I need a RAID that is completly transparent to linux. |
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| 11:52.09 | wols_ | bethor: why? lightweight and RAID? |
| 11:52.12 | DrAk0 | wAndyw, well i use it everyday and my desktop is dual-head together with my laptop and np at all. |
| 11:52.34 | wAndyw | perhaps you could have a look at /etc/synergy.conf? |
| 11:52.45 | wAndyw | i think its a little trick |
| 11:52.47 | bethor | wols_: it is important though ;-) otherwise I would ask :-) |
| 11:52.59 | bethor | n't |
| 11:53.22 | trebor_win | lsmod shows appletouch, but why does not synaptics? |
| 11:53.50 | trebor_win | why does synaptics not see appletouch?\ |
| 11:53.59 | wols_ | "transparent" is relative: you need special 3ware drivers (part of the vanilla kernel) |
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| 12:03.15 | bethor | wols_: maybe you've got a better solution. The system is running right now without RAID. Now, I just want to add a RAID controller go into its BIOS and say: look little controller this is my source and now do a RAID1 with my new hd. |
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| 12:03.25 | trebor_win | how can i test if appletouch-driver are working? |
| 12:03.38 | trebor_win | lsmod? |
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| 12:04.35 | trebor_win | do i have to configure appletouch somehow? |
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| 12:06.27 | liable | trebor_win: have you tried ##mac ? |
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| 12:06.40 | graytron | is there any reason why the "dbe" module is not enable in Debian X.Org by default? |
| 12:07.34 | trebor_win | liable: not til now. i thought ##mac could be OSX only... |
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| 12:07.58 | liable | trebor_win: they may have another channel to try |
| 12:08.05 | liable | check the topic |
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| 12:21.15 | liable | !moo |
| 12:21.15 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 12:22.22 | alex__ | dpkg, hi |
| 12:22.22 | dpkg | salut, alex__ |
| 12:22.27 | alex__ | dpkg, ownage |
| 12:22.36 | alex__ | dpkg, alex__ is teh awesome |
| 12:22.36 | dpkg | alex__: okay |
| 12:22.43 | alex__ | alex__? |
| 12:22.51 | alex__ | dipsy: alex__? |
| 12:23.02 | alex__ | dpkg: alex__? |
| 12:23.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alex__ is teh awesome |
| 12:23.06 | liable | !beat alex__ |
| 12:23.11 | flami | I dont like aptitude because it doesnt ave super cow powers anymore ;) |
| 12:23.14 | wols_ | dpkg forget alex__ |
| 12:23.15 | dpkg | wols_: i forgot alex__ |
| 12:23.53 | liable | flami: but it eats elephants! |
| 12:24.03 | flami | does it? |
| 12:24.07 | flami | Ohhh |
| 12:24.08 | wols_ | cows > elephants |
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| 12:24.22 | flami | supercow > superman |
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| 12:26.57 | Phil4 | hi guys, I'm trying to install blackbox on a fresh Lenny install. I just did `apt-get install blackbox xserver-xorg` however when I type "blackbox" it claims |
| 12:27.03 | Phil4 | "failed to open display ''" |
| 12:27.10 | Phil4 | am I doing something wrong? |
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| 12:28.00 | Dark-Fx | Phil4: yes, do you have an xserver running? |
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| 12:28.52 | Phil4 | no sure, sorry |
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| 12:29.13 | Dark-Fx | dpkg: status |
| 12:29.14 | dpkg | Since Tue Aug 28 11:05:02 2007, there have been 2 modifications, 5 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 1h 24m 11s this session, and currently reference 37571 factoids. I'm using about 15468 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.64/0.2 child 0/0 |
| 12:30.53 | Phil4 | Dark-Fx, how do I check? |
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| 12:34.13 | Xteven | hi, can anyone tell me where I can find the omshell tool normally distributed with the ISC dhcp server ? it's not in dhcp3-dev (although it's referenced in the changelog) |
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| 12:35.45 | troubled | Xteven: apt-find |
| 12:36.09 | Xteven | apt-find ? |
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| 12:36.22 | troubled | !apt-find |
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| 12:36.22 | dpkg | [apt-find] a ncurses-based frontend for apt, which may replace dselect sometime in the future. you probably meant apt-file, greycat. |
| 12:36.37 | troubled | sry, apt-file |
| 12:36.45 | Xteven | ah |
| 12:36.48 | Xteven | ok thx |
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| 12:37.08 | troubled | basically, apt-file update ; apt-file search <cmd> |
| 12:37.19 | Phil4 | Dark-Fx? |
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| 12:38.27 | itom | Xteven, I use: apt-cache search <info or name> |
| 12:38.42 | Xteven | itom: and can you find omshell ? |
| 12:38.45 | Xteven | troubled: will do |
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| 12:39.26 | Xteven | it's in dhcp3-common apparently |
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| 12:40.12 | niru | Hi |
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| 12:40.27 | niru | I have a transciend USB cum MP3 player |
| 12:40.36 | niru | till today it was mounting well |
| 12:40.59 | niru | as soon as I insert it but today I dont know something I did after which it is not mounting at all |
| 12:41.17 | niru | I have formated it many times |
| 12:41.43 | niru | what could be the reason |
| 12:41.49 | niru | what I need to do |
| 12:42.01 | niru | its T.sonic 610 |
| 12:42.20 | niru | any body |
| 12:42.21 | niru | ping |
| 12:42.33 | liable | pong |
| 12:42.36 | Ronin | patience niru |
| 12:42.41 | wols_ | it's something in gnome or your DE afaik |
| 12:42.44 | liable | patience grasshopper, |
| 12:42.49 | wols_ | by default debian doesn't mount anything |
| 12:42.52 | liable | and dont abuse enter so much |
| 12:43.18 | Ronin | careful wols_ theylike that, see :) |
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| 12:43.31 | liable | Ronin: who is we? |
| 12:43.33 | Phil4 | can anyone take over from where Dark-Fx left off? |
| 12:43.44 | liable | oh, your a kiwi arent you! |
| 12:44.03 | Phil4 | <Dark-Fx> Phil4: yes, do you have an xserver running? <Phil4> Dark-Fx, how do I check? |
| 12:44.11 | Ronin | liable: me? nope im the cannuck in the channel |
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| 12:44.28 | wols_ | Phil4: ps aux |grep X |
| 12:44.36 | liable | ah, thats ok then ;) |
| 12:44.44 | Phil4 | in that case, nothing |
| 12:44.48 | Phil4 | how do I start one? |
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| 12:45.01 | Phil4 | is it just startx? (since that gives a font error) |
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| 12:45.21 | wols_ | Phil4: you start X via "startx" or by running a display manager |
| 12:45.24 | niru | wols_, even if I give mount /dev/sdb /media/usbdisk/ |
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| 12:45.28 | niru | its not mounting |
| 12:45.41 | Phil4 | wols_, startx gives a font error |
| 12:45.48 | wols_ | niru: why do you think it's /dev/sdb. isn't it /dev/sdb1? |
| 12:45.53 | liable | sdb isnt valid |
| 12:45.56 | wols_ | !error |
| 12:45.56 | dpkg | The error is on line 89373 |
| 12:45.58 | niru | wols_, dmesg |
| 12:46.04 | Phil4 | could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 12:46.05 | niru | showes sdb |
| 12:46.15 | wols_ | !fixed |
| 12:46.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fixed font is if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
| 12:46.21 | liable | Phil4: is that fatal or a warning? |
| 12:46.28 | Phil4 | fatal |
| 12:46.30 | wols_ | niru: dmesg also shows sda for your harddisk. are you mounting /dev/sda too? |
| 12:46.35 | liable | see above then |
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| 12:46.37 | niru | wols_, dmesg also shows like this |
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| 12:46.53 | Phil4 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=682 |
| 12:47.03 | wols_ | niru: fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
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| 12:48.11 | liable | reddit died. bastards |
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| 12:48.48 | g00se | Should having both of these entries in /etc/hosts cause problems? |
| 12:48.54 | g00se | 192.168.1.6 x.domain.net x |
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| 12:48.56 | g00se | 192.168.1.6 y.domain.net y |
| 12:49.24 | niru | wols_, http://pastebin.ca/673457 |
| 12:49.38 | et | g00se: why should there a problem? |
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| 12:49.50 | niru | wols_, its an MP3 player and 1GB usb |
| 12:50.50 | g00se | Well i wouldn't have thought so. But just stupidy done /etc/init.d/networking restart over ssh. After logging into another box on that network, it seems x (y) is no longer present |
| 12:50.55 | alex__ | how do i wipe my /dev/hda |
| 12:51.07 | alex__ | i want to wipe /dev/hds right now, no questions asked |
| 12:51.15 | alex__ | whats the quickest way to wipe it |
| 12:51.19 | liable | cops coming? |
| 12:51.26 | niru | wols_, actually its 1gb usb with mp3 player but while I open with gparted /dev/sdb |
| 12:51.30 | msn | alex__: mkfs /dev/hda |
| 12:51.41 | niru | it shows only 235MB unallocated nothing else |
| 12:51.44 | alex__ | will that wipe even when its mounted? |
| 12:51.48 | msn | alex__: fdisk /dev/hda |
| 12:51.56 | alex__ | cant i use dd? |
| 12:51.59 | liable | yes |
| 12:52.00 | alex__ | like dd /dev/random |
| 12:52.05 | alex__ | quick |
| 12:52.13 | liable | cops coming? |
| 12:52.13 | msn | alex__: just fdisk and delete all partitions and restart |
| 12:52.18 | alex__ | i need to wipe this - ie corrupt the data |
| 12:52.20 | msn | alex__: you done |
| 12:52.25 | niru | wols_, I am not understanding the MP3 player concept is that 1gb getting used for player also or its total 1gb allocated to usb |
| 12:52.31 | alex__ | fdisk reuqires to much thinking |
| 12:52.32 | liable | smash it |
| 12:52.40 | liable | its fun too! |
| 12:52.56 | msn | alex__: fdisk /dev/hda d 1 d 2 d 3 d 4 w |
| 12:53.00 | msn | that's it |
| 12:53.03 | msn | you are done |
| 12:53.27 | msn | the spaces are for enter |
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| 12:53.44 | liable | hes prolly a terrst |
| 12:53.49 | alex__ | msn, argh no |
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| 12:53.53 | alex__ | i need it to be simpler |
| 12:53.56 | CrocoJet | hi all |
| 12:54.25 | msn | keep your comp running and unplug and plug the disk around 10 times |
| 12:54.29 | msn | you are done |
| 12:54.33 | msn | everything fried |
| 12:54.43 | liable | thats stupid |
| 12:54.49 | msn | lol |
| 12:54.52 | alex__ | guys |
| 12:54.53 | alex__ | come on |
| 12:55.00 | liable | man dd |
| 12:55.04 | alex__ | im sure i can use dd /dev/random /dev/hda |
| 12:55.12 | CrocoJet | I have Intel motherboard 945GTp, that came with video on-board "00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)". Someone knows if is possible active direct render with this board ? |
| 12:55.14 | alex__ | or seomthing to wipre this little shits hdd |
| 12:55.19 | msn | actually there is an application which does it |
| 12:55.30 | mseng | alex__: you want to make sure nobody can recover the data later? there is a tool. you can google for "secure hdd erase" |
| 12:55.33 | liable | alex__: your h4x0r1ng? |
| 12:55.33 | msn | rights every sector around 60 times |
| 12:55.39 | alex__ | nono |
| 12:55.41 | alex__ | i just wanna break |
| 12:55.43 | alex__ | not wipre |
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| 12:55.49 | pig | hello! |
| 12:55.50 | liable | !kill alex__ |
| 12:55.50 | alex__ | just corrupt data |
| 12:56.04 | mseng | alex__: what is the deal? |
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| 12:56.24 | Dark-Fx | alex__ is being destructive towards someone in ##hardware |
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| 12:56.39 | mseng | i see |
| 12:56.41 | Zapaty | Hey |
| 12:56.50 | alex__ | a fucking 10 year old spamming the channel |
| 12:56.59 | mseng | alex__: use /ignore |
| 12:57.01 | alex__ | he'll learn his lesson now |
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| 12:57.12 | msn | !spam alex__ |
| 12:57.16 | msn | lol |
| 12:57.17 | niru | how can i utilize the whole usb stick wiht mp3 player |
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| 12:58.11 | mike1o | im using a testing dist... how do I use a package from the unstable dist without doing a dist-upgrade? the package im interested in is gnash 0.8 for amd64 |
| 12:58.28 | alex__ | alex__ let me know the output, thanks chrisjw |
| 12:58.28 | alex__ | alex__ Bo1: sudo rm -rf / |
| 12:58.28 | alex__ | * Bo1 has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 12:58.31 | alex__ | thanks :) |
| 12:58.50 | Zapaty | [!!] Install the base system |
| 12:58.52 | mseng | alex__: that makes you be worse than him |
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| 12:58.55 | Zapaty | Unable to install initramfs-tools |
| 12:58.58 | Zapaty | Any idea ? |
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| 12:59.36 | liable | alex__: childish and pathetic frankly (if its even true) |
| 12:59.43 | alex__ | yeah remorse setting in |
| 12:59.46 | alex__ | >_< |
| 12:59.49 | alex__ | stupid emotions |
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| 13:00.18 | mseng | every IRC client has the /ignore feature for a good reason :o) |
| 13:00.43 | liable | and every channel ops |
| 13:00.43 | mseng | you dont even have to cry for opers who send people offline. you can fix it yourself in seconds |
| 13:00.52 | fastputty | hi someonecould help me with iptables: iptables -A LOG_DROP -j LOG --log-tcp-options --log-ip-options --log-prefix '[IPTABLES DROP] : '... this command log my stuff but it echo in the console |
| 13:01.00 | fastputty | i try to avoid it, some one know a way? |
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| 13:01.17 | Zapaty | .. |
| 13:01.32 | mseng | fastputty: have a look at the printk option in your /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 13:01.43 | liable | set c 2 in klogd init script or apparently its done with sysctl these days |
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| 13:02.48 | MatBoy | is there a way to monitor what commands there are done on the commandline, including ./bashscript <variable> <variable> <variable> ? |
| 13:03.00 | Zapaty | Unable to install initramfs-tools |
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| 13:03.32 | liable | Zapaty: is it failing from the net? |
| 13:03.44 | Zapaty | from the cd |
| 13:03.48 | Niklas-_ | MatBoy: You can use snoopy logger, get it here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/snoopylogger/ |
| 13:03.50 | Zapaty | installing the base system |
| 13:03.58 | Zapaty | etch 4.0 |
| 13:04.03 | Zapaty | businesscard |
| 13:04.14 | MatBoy | Niklas-_, I have heard about that a looooong time ago... let me try that :) thank you ! |
| 13:04.29 | liable | Zapaty: it would be getting it from the net then |
| 13:04.42 | Niklas-_ | MatBoy: only bad thing about it, is that it only works on 32bit installations |
| 13:04.54 | Zapaty | Yeah, but I can`t go over |
| 13:05.02 | Zapaty | Installation step failed |
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| 13:05.27 | MatBoy | Niklas-_, I have 32 bits installations here, but itÅ› a good think to think about... |
| 13:05.28 | Zapaty | Then I return to the Debian installer main menu |
| 13:05.45 | MatBoy | Niklas-_, a lot of projects will be lost in some time I guess |
| 13:05.50 | Zapaty | and I`m just stuck at the step : "Install the base system" |
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| 13:07.52 | MatBoy | Niklas-_, ok, nice installation.. now the usage :) |
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| 13:09.19 | capiira | hi all i just changed apaches document root location in the default file to a different location and now its displaying "You don't have permission to access / on this server." I also did a chown -R root.root and chmod -R to 755 to the document root dir. i even tested chmod 777 but still have no access to document root. Anyone have an idea? |
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| 13:09.51 | alex__ | ok |
| 13:10.47 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 13:10.48 | Fox_1_ | people I have used debmirror and downloaded debian repository in my server. but it wasn't load some files (74 mb) and didn't create release files. I have tried to use other mirrors, but the same files aren't exists |
| 13:11.17 | liable | Fox_1_: dpkg-scanpackages |
| 13:11.28 | liable | read the man page |
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| 13:11.47 | Zapaty | liable : any idea ? |
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| 13:12.40 | liable | Zapaty: not really. can you type out the entire message? |
| 13:12.40 | liable | Zapaty: check vt4 |
| 13:12.58 | fishsponge__ | can anyone help? spamd keeps using 99% CPU and eventually timing out, giving "421 SMTP incoming data timeout - message abandoned" - not all of the time, but enough to be annoying - does anyone know why? |
| 13:13.14 | Zapaty | actually i've just started the debian 3.1 installation |
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| 13:13.49 | capiira | http://paste.debian.net/35584 see my default apache file |
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| 13:15.33 | Fox_1_ | liable, ok thanks |
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| 13:17.04 | Matts | Niklas-_, I have tried it on CentOS, no luck, debian is easier :) |
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| 13:17.31 | en1gma | morning all |
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| 13:24.09 | Laser | Brand New Episodes of "The OC" - http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/press/2004/10-20MSNDSwatch_lg.jpg |
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| 13:24.58 | niru | I get The file /media/disk//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 13:25.27 | niru | when I do grub-install --root-directory=/media/disk/ --no-floppy '(hd0)' |
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| 13:29.57 | niru | http://pastebin.ca/673483 |
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| 13:30.31 | liable | satge 1 is mbr |
| 13:31.25 | stoned | http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/disk/ |
| 13:31.36 | stoned | google for 'grub stages' |
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| 13:32.08 | coir | I have a bit of a problem: I just upgraded my video card, so GDM couldn't start because X wasn't configured properly. |
| 13:32.11 | coir | What shoul I do>? |
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| 13:32.24 | abrotman | !drxx coir |
| 13:32.24 | dpkg | coir: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:32.43 | viller | is there a tutorial on wtf I have to include in sources.list to have non-free and contrib? |
| 13:32.43 | Telefrag_Combo | Hello dudes! I have an dhcp server running in and I wish to know every ip granted to every host. How do I do the trick? |
| 13:32.51 | stoned | !non-free |
| 13:32.51 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about <vrms> |
| 13:32.56 | abrotman | !tell viller about sources.list |
| 13:33.33 | coir | hmm it didn't detect my video card automatically =/ |
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| 13:33.36 | mseng | !vrms |
| 13:33.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 13:33.41 | stoned | coir: which card? |
| 13:33.43 | hacked_kernel | I got a server that has only one user "root", but root can't open log files in /var/log/* even I can't use stat to read file status, it say permission denied |
| 13:34.00 | coir | stoned: It's a GeForce 6800 |
| 13:34.11 | stoned | coir: using which driver? |
| 13:34.17 | abrotman | !tell coir about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:34.18 | stoned | coir: use nv, or use nvidia |
| 13:34.23 | coir | stoned: I dunno, I just put it into the machine. :-P |
| 13:34.26 | stoned | !tell coir -about nvidia |
| 13:34.37 | coir | Will I be able to run Compiz using that driver? |
| 13:34.41 | abrotman | Telefrag_Combo: i'd imagine in /var/run/ |
| 13:34.46 | stoned | coir: use nvidia for compiz |
| 13:34.53 | stoned | !tell coir -about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:35.19 | liable | hacked_kernel: how did you do the install without making a normal user? |
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| 13:35.50 | abrotman | hacked_kernel: are you using ubuntu ? |
| 13:36.04 | hacked_kernel | abrotman, Its debian |
| 13:36.23 | abrotman | then how did you break the installer ? |
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| 13:37.12 | viller | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source fails, where the f*k is it? |
| 13:37.18 | JdGordon | is the first dvd the only one you really need to get a kde system up and running without network? |
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| 13:37.20 | stoned | non-free |
| 13:37.25 | JdGordon | ... on amd64 |
| 13:37.29 | stoned | viller: ^^ |
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| 13:37.33 | abrotman | viller: did you include contrib and non-free sources and then run aptitude update ? |
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| 13:37.37 | abrotman | or apt-get update |
| 13:37.50 | viller | a line from my sources.list: |
| 13:37.52 | viller | deb http://ftp.ee.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 13:37.55 | liable | !cd contents |
| 13:37.55 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 13:37.56 | viller | I did apt-get update |
| 13:38.12 | stoned | maybe its not in lenny atm? |
| 13:38.19 | viller | get it from stable? |
| 13:38.26 | stoned | just use stable |
| 13:39.15 | JdGordon | liable: gee thanks, im on that page and im looking at the listing for the first dvd... if i knew all the packages it auto installs i would have needed to ask... |
| 13:39.36 | viller | I don't want to reinstall. Should I just use the stable repos or do something like dist-downgrade :D? |
| 13:39.49 | stoned | viller: downgrade is not possible |
| 13:39.55 | stoned | viller: backport the package from sid |
| 13:40.24 | abrotman | viller: or wait for the driver to get there |
| 13:40.33 | stoned | !info nvidia-kernel-source lenny |
| 13:40.50 | viller | stoned: what does backport mean? I just added stable's line to sources.list temporarily |
| 13:40.53 | stoned | !info nvidia-kernel-source sid |
| 13:40.59 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 100.14.11-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2577 kB, Installed size: 2672 kB |
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| 13:41.13 | stoned | viller: no, get it from sid. |
| 13:41.20 | abrotman | !tell viller about simple sid backport |
| 13:41.29 | stoned | !tell viller -about simple sid backport |
| 13:41.51 | stoned | I never use testing distribution |
| 13:41.53 | stoned | EVER |
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| 13:42.06 | stoned | I've been through what you are going through numerous times |
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| 13:42.11 | Telefrag_Combo | how do I see the ips connected to my machine at the moment |
| 13:42.16 | stoned | I stick to stable and unstable only |
| 13:42.23 | stoned | Telefrag_Combo: netstat? |
| 13:42.23 | abrotman | netstat is one way |
| 13:42.30 | Telefrag_Combo | Ty! |
| 13:42.32 | stoned | netnstat -a|grep connected? |
| 13:42.39 | stoned | i dunno |
| 13:42.44 | stoned | go read the manpage ;) |
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| 13:43.16 | Telefrag_Combo | Who need the manpage? I have you! |
| 13:43.25 | Telefrag_Combo | lol |
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| 13:43.35 | stoned | no |
| 13:43.38 | stoned | I don't know jac |
| 13:43.49 | stoned | and I don't even really know what a computer is |
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| 13:43.53 | coir | success... |
| 13:44.20 | stoned | I'll call you stupiiid for not knowing shit I just found out yesterday myself |
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| 13:44.34 | stoned | trust me, you don't wanna depend on me ;) |
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| 13:44.39 | NightY`- | :O |
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| 13:45.00 | mseng | stoned: but thats how community support works. you pass along what you learned yourself |
| 13:45.47 | fishsponge__ | can anyone help? spamd keeps using 99% CPU and eventually timing out, giving "421 SMTP incoming data timeout - message abandoned" - not all of the time, but enough to be annoying - does anyone know why? |
| 13:45.48 | stoned | mseng: yes true, but I don't know anything to begin with ;) |
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| 13:46.14 | mseng | stoned: you do. or you would not be able to use your computer for work and entertainment |
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| 13:46.24 | stoned | fishsponge__: check the bts for bugs, try to renice the process, give it low priority? |
| 13:46.27 | stoned | mayb |
| 13:46.37 | stoned | mseng: I use windows :/ |
| 13:46.39 | mseng | stoned: always keep in mind: there is a lot more people out there who dont even know how to lookup information via Google |
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| 13:46.47 | fishsponge__ | i could give the process low priority, but that would just make it slower |
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| 13:46.56 | fishsponge__ | it is not meant to use 99% of CPU and then timeout - it is meant to work |
| 13:47.07 | fishsponge__ | what what is the bts? |
| 13:47.22 | stoned | fishsponge__: it is a temporary fix. I suggest looking throught bug tracking system to see if any bugs like this were reported, and if not, report it |
| 13:47.23 | mseng | fishsponge__: bugs.debian.org - the Bug Tracking System |
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| 13:47.39 | DrEeevil | ahoi - I have a machine with no direct net access, what is the easiest method to give it packages? (i.e. I wish to install rsync on it) |
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| 13:48.14 | stoned | DrEeevil: the networking works on the system, and you just don't have the internet? |
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| 13:48.21 | mseng | DrEeevil: the easiest way is to download ISO images, burn them and feed it those CDs as APT source |
| 13:48.21 | liable | DrEeevil: cd |
| 13:49.08 | stoned | if debian had millions of dollars, it could give out free cds too |
| 13:49.14 | DrEeevil | I have ssh up, I can scp files over ... wouldn't it be easier to fetch and copy? |
| 13:49.14 | stoned | but unfortunately we're all very poor |
| 13:49.16 | mseng | right |
| 13:49.33 | stoned | so just download it, or buy the cds/dvds from somewhere |
| 13:49.35 | DrEeevil | stoned: it is behind a firewall that does not allow external traffic |
| 13:49.50 | fishsponge__ | ok, i can't find a bug for it on bugs.debian.org unfortunately... |
| 13:49.51 | DrEeevil | and it has already a full debian install modulo rsync :-) |
| 13:49.53 | mseng | DrEeevil: downloading dependencies manually is a pain |
| 13:49.58 | abrotman | DrEeevil: use a proxy ? |
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| 13:50.09 | stoned | DrEeevil: and if there is a firewall like that, then I'm sure its there for a reason. Download cds/dvds elsewhere and use those |
| 13:50.13 | DrEeevil | abrotman: tricky |
| 13:50.20 | DrEeevil | hehe |
| 13:50.21 | stoned | fishsponge__: try the software's own mailing list? |
| 13:50.25 | abrotman | fishsponge__: sounds like the bit about it rejecting mail is misconfigured .. the 99% cpu sounds normal |
| 13:50.36 | DrEeevil | I have root on the machine and the firewall, it's like this for a reason |
| 13:50.54 | jduggan_ | hey guys, im having a problem with etch on my intel board, its a new intel board using a usb cdrom drive.. think its the intel pata bug, anyone know a work around for this? |
| 13:51.01 | mseng | DrEeevil: have a look at the package "apt-cacher" if that could work for you |
| 13:51.02 | fishsponge__ | well, it uses 99% CPU for 5 minutes, and then times out giving "421 SMTP incoming data timeout - message abandoned" - surely this is not normal? |
| 13:51.09 | abrotman | oh .. that's not normal |
| 13:51.15 | fishsponge__ | lol |
| 13:51.17 | DrEeevil | mseng: hmm, worth a try ... |
| 13:51.37 | abrotman | DrEeevil: you could use the firewall as your apt proxy ? |
| 13:51.43 | fishsponge__ | this is on our production server too, which is annoying - any guidance? it seems to be stuck in a "pread" loop |
| 13:51.50 | fishsponge__ | pread(12, "\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\227J\0\0000\31\0\0\0\0\0\0&\0\f\17\0\2"..., 4096, 78213120) = 4096 |
| 13:51.52 | fishsponge__ | etc... |
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| 13:52.00 | abrotman | fishsponge__: might be reading the mail .. |
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| 13:52.15 | abrotman | fishsponge__: you might want to ask the SA guys to make sure you've got it all configured correctly |
| 13:52.27 | DrEeevil | abrotman: yes, but I hoped I could limit myself to injecting only a package or two manually |
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| 13:52.32 | fishsponge__ | it has happened on all sorts of mail though, including small test mails sent by me - and there's no way it's reading 12 lines of text for 5 minutes straight! lol |
| 13:52.36 | abrotman | DrEeevil: use CDs? |
| 13:53.01 | abrotman | fishsponge__: have you considered putting your server in spec. ed. classes ? |
| 13:53.04 | DrEeevil | abrotman: that is a bit overkill (and I'd need to get up and walk to the servers, I'm lazy ;-) ) |
| 13:53.30 | abrotman | DrEeevil: proxy |
| 13:53.40 | abrotman | DrEeevil: or wget them all manually |
| 13:53.55 | jduggan_ | anyone got any ideas about intel pata workaround? |
| 13:54.04 | DrEeevil | abrotman: wget ... how do I find out what files I need, where do I put them? |
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| 13:54.44 | abrotman | i believe there's a --print-uris or something with apt-get .. you could feed those to wget |
| 13:54.48 | fishsponge__ | abrotman: very funny, lol |
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| 13:55.41 | DrEeevil | abrotman: thanks for the pointers |
| 13:56.20 | abrotman | fishsponge__: double check your setup .. check the BTS .. read the debian/SA docs .. ask the SA guys |
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| 13:58.15 | abrotman | fishsponge__: in the meantime .. you might want to turn it off :) |
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| 13:59.42 | abrotman | fishsponge__: don't forget to look at archived reports if you're using stable http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?ordering=normal;archive=both;package=spamassassin;repeatmerged=1 |
| 14:01.51 | trebor_win | linux@macbook -> ?appletouch & synaptics? i tried to describe the problem here: http://rafb.net/p/E5p43m41.html |
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| 14:02.49 | abrotman | so you don't have synaptics ? |
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| 14:03.40 | trebor_win | abrotman: it is unloaded |
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| 14:04.02 | trebor_win | abrotman: after it has not detected any device |
| 14:04.15 | trebor_win | abrotman: AFAIK (/var/log/Xorg.0.log) |
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| 14:04.30 | trebor_win | abrotman: why is this? |
| 14:04.39 | abrotman | should be /dev/input/mice i think |
| 14:04.54 | abrotman | damn macs |
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| 14:05.31 | trebor_win | abrotman: ok i try (already tried /dev/psaux) |
| 14:05.45 | abrotman | it won't be /dev/psaux |
| 14:06.23 | Crypticfortune | ok, another problem. this box has an onboard intel graphics card lspci lists it as (intel 946GZ/GL), and running the i810 driver in xorg. but whenever i switch consoles (and sometimes just switching to gdm) the screen turns garbled or black. any ideas? |
| 14:07.29 | trebor_win | abrotman: in section "configured mouse" Option device is "/dev/input/mice", too |
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| 14:07.39 | trebor_win | abrotman: should i continue? |
| 14:07.54 | mbroeker | Crypticfortune, i am not sure, but do you use a framebuffer device? |
| 14:08.01 | abrotman | !laptops |
| 14:08.02 | dpkg | methinks laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 14:09.04 | Crypticfortune | mbroeker: no |
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| 14:10.33 | trebor_win | abrotman: i checked linux-laptop and tuxmobil.org already. |
| 14:10.49 | trebor_win | abrotman: and followed their suggestions. |
| 14:11.09 | abrotman | mac hardware doesn't differentiate that much .. |
| 14:13.04 | trebor_win | abrotman: /dev/input/mice -> same error. |
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| 14:13.30 | slump | how much time sarge will be supported? |
| 14:14.03 | abrotman | roughly a year after the release of etch |
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| 14:14.58 | flami | yes touchpad are from hell |
| 14:15.34 | mseng | abrotman: wont old-stable be supported until there is a new old-stable, just with the fact that security updates are generally slowed down? |
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| 14:15.42 | abrotman | no |
| 14:15.48 | abrotman | not AIUI |
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| 14:16.08 | abrotman | i guess there's no hard/fast rule .. but the idea is one year after the following release |
| 14:16.21 | xand | worse than windows |
| 14:16.24 | fastputty | hi, i got this message when i try to run my application |
| 14:16.25 | fastputty | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (top): |
| 14:16.29 | fastputty | someone could tell me what happened |
| 14:16.32 | abrotman | xand: and easier to upgrade |
| 14:16.38 | xand | maybe |
| 14:16.39 | azeem | fastputty: coding error |
| 14:16.50 | fastputty | hummmmm |
| 14:16.52 | azeem | fastputty: "my application" as in, you wrote it? |
| 14:16.55 | azeem | then fix it |
| 14:16.58 | mseng | xand: there is no need to use old versions. so it does not make sense to support them |
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| 14:17.24 | fishsponge__ | regarding my spamassassin problem - do you think the bayes rules could be causing it to go so slowly? can i wipe them clean and start again or will that just let all spam through? |
| 14:17.26 | mseng | but you always have the chance to backport things yourself |
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| 14:18.06 | fastputty | azeem: nah its big brother 1.9i |
| 14:18.20 | fastputty | azeem: i didnt wrote it ;)) i said my aplpication because i use it, sorry lol |
| 14:18.31 | azeem | fastputty: is that reproducable? |
| 14:18.34 | azeem | then file a bug |
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| 14:18.59 | fastputty | azeem: mhmmm |
| 14:19.00 | azeem | fastputty: are you running etch? Did you install that package via apt-get, or did you compile it yourself? |
| 14:19.11 | xand | and what program is it |
| 14:19.17 | fastputty | azeem: yes, compiled |
| 14:19.17 | azeem | 16:16 < fastputty> azeem: nah its big brother 1.9i |
| 14:19.30 | fastputty | etch, compiled |
| 14:19.31 | azeem | fastputty: then contact the author about it |
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| 14:19.41 | DustyDingo | *grml* i will never get along with the debian installer |
| 14:19.51 | fastputty | azeem: the author do not support this version, higher version is not open source and not free to use |
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| 14:20.05 | DustyDingo | i want to create a raid5 with 4 volumes |
| 14:20.07 | fastputty | azeem: this 1.9i version is free and used to work on Sarge.. |
| 14:20.08 | azeem | fastputty: then you're out of luck |
| 14:20.23 | azeem | fastputty: because sarge let this error slip by |
| 14:20.30 | azeem | etch is more strict |
| 14:20.38 | fastputty | azeem: actually, sarge works because i get the result.. |
| 14:20.40 | DustyDingo | therefore i created 4 partitions on each disked and used "configure software raid" |
| 14:20.47 | fastputty | azeem: etch do not get me the reseult and show me this error |
| 14:20.54 | DustyDingo | but how i can tell the installer to put a ext3 on it and use it as /? |
| 14:21.26 | fastputty | i look in google and does it because my version of glibc is old? |
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| 14:22.01 | fastputty | im using 2.3.6 libc6 |
| 14:22.27 | fishsponge__ | if "bayes_toks" is 80MB in size, could this be causing lots of CPU usage, with lots of "pread" operations, and after 5 minutes a timeout of the SMTP connection? |
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| 14:23.18 | azeem | fastputty: no |
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| 14:26.59 | loesh | hmm, not sure if this is the right place to ask, but jde-mode (installed via aptitude) seems to be a bit buggy for me. Specifically it spits error when indenting some times. Is this a bug in jde? and then should i just get it and install a later version manually? |
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| 14:27.42 | abrotman | loesh: you can check the BTS at bugs.debian.org |
| 14:28.08 | loesh | oki i will do that... |
| 14:29.28 | azeem | fastputty: try to export MALLOC_CHECK_=0 before you run it |
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| 14:32.23 | wishie[work] | when using the kaffeine package, kaffeine complains that loading anything to do with the xinepart fails. yet, i have xine installed, and it works fine..whats the go ? |
| 14:32.42 | SpeedyG | is it possible (Not desirable, but possible) to get *nix running off a Fat32 file-system? |
| 14:34.58 | t | Damn. I've been trying to remember the name of this film for ages. In it, this company develops a virtual reality and they can take over people in the virtual world and effectively be them. One of the main developers of the system dies and leaves a note for the others saying something like "Go to the edge of the world." which they do and it is all computery and wireframey. But then one of them tries it in real life and discovers it happens there too - real life is a |
| 14:34.58 | t | simulation! At the end they manage (somehow) to break out into the real real world and discover it is actually the future. What is the name of the film? |
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| 14:35.44 | SpeedyG | t: I wish I knew |
| 14:35.52 | SpeedyG | since it definately is a great movie |
| 14:35.56 | SpeedyG | but I just dont know :/ |
| 14:35.59 | wishie[work] | is there a prize for knowing the answer ? |
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| 14:36.41 | abrotman | t: maybe ask #defocus ? |
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| 14:37.47 | t | wishie[work]: You get to watch a cool film (at least I think it was cool - long time ago!) |
| 14:37.53 | larsl | Is there no vlc package for Lenny? |
| 14:37.54 | t | abrotman: thanks |
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| 14:38.27 | FordCortina | why does changing the umask setting in /etc/profile change the default umask in all terminals vt console shells? |
| 14:38.34 | FordCortina | why doesn't**** |
| 14:38.40 | wishie[work] | Timmmm: what year is this film ? |
| 14:38.43 | hark | Timmmm: 13th floor maybe? |
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| 14:39.27 | Timmmm | wishie[work]: Don't remember, probably early 90s |
| 14:39.39 | hark | larsl: right |
| 14:40.13 | Timmmm | hark: Yes! That's the one! |
| 14:40.27 | FordCortina | (sry ill type it again) why does changing the umask setting in /etc/profile *not* change the default umask for all xterm shells and vt console shells? |
| 14:40.45 | Timmmm | Woa 1999.. I have a bad memory... |
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| 14:41.54 | Timmmm | hark: Thank you! |
| 14:42.10 | larsl | hark, what is the reason for that? I see on the qa page that it's waiting to be built on MIPS, but why was the old testing package removed? |
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| 14:42.25 | abrotman | possible dependency issues? |
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| 14:42.45 | hark | it's not been in for quite some time now |
| 14:42.46 | abrotman | !removed |
| 14:42.46 | dpkg | [removed] at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
| 14:42.56 | abrotman | FYI .. that file is huge |
| 14:43.32 | fishsponge__ | abrotman: are you referring to my bayes_toks file as being huge, or something else? |
| 14:43.42 | abrotman | fishsponge__: no .. that removals.txt |
| 14:43.46 | yang | wotsap pgp analisys is not in debian ? |
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| 14:44.11 | hark | are you spelling ot right? ;) |
| 14:44.17 | trebor_win | abrotman: linux@macbook (appletouch & synaptics) -> after changing to "/dev/input/mice" -> /var/log/messages: http://rafb.net/p/L1kbiF54.html , xorg.conf: http://rafb.net/p/NuiVbG18.html |
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| 14:44.36 | wishie[work] | haha, that movie has Vincent D'Onofrio in it |
| 14:45.04 | trebor_win | linux@macbook (appletouch & synaptic): may someone have an idea? http://rafb.net/p/E5p43m41.html |
| 14:45.07 | hark | !info keyanalyze |
| 14:45.08 | fishsponge__ | abrotman: ah, ok - is 80MB large for a bayes_toks file though, and could that be causing my hangs? |
| 14:45.09 | dpkg | keyanalyze: (OpenPGP key analysis), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.0.200204-1 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 200 kB |
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| 14:46.58 | hark | same year the matrix was released and existenz too (similar concepts) |
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| 14:47.04 | mashuuk | Hi |
| 14:47.17 | mashuuk | How to unmout un-needed tmpsfs ? |
| 14:47.22 | juso | Ok so there is this process thats in iniitab for a respawn, how would I stop and start that respawn of a process, anyone have an idea? |
| 14:47.29 | mashuuk | Why after booting its still visible? |
| 14:47.36 | mashuuk | Do I need tmpfs all the time? |
| 14:48.36 | hark | because of CONFIG_TMPFS=y i guess |
| 14:48.58 | mashuuk | hardcampa, ok but I dont need it after booting right? |
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| 14:49.12 | mashuuk | hark, but I dont need it after booting right? |
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| 14:49.51 | abrotman | fishsponge__: i don't use that stuff with my spamd |
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| 14:54.19 | wsdo_okadr | can konsole -e acccept more than one command ? |
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| 14:55.06 | cast | try it. -e 'cmd ; cmd2' |
| 14:55.19 | cast | then if that doesn't work try something else, like -e cmd -e cmd2 |
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| 14:56.32 | sparrw | I have a LCD with an EloTouch USB touchscreen. The official drivers only go up to kernel 2.6.15 with XFree, are there any unofficial drivers that I could use with newer kernels and/or X.org? |
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| 15:08.16 | bony | i am facing some problems with getting copiz configured in debian sid can any one help me in that regard? |
| 15:08.49 | bony | i installed compiz using apt-get |
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| 15:09.24 | cast | not me. |
| 15:09.41 | bony | and followed all the instruction in http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 15:09.58 | bony | but i get an error when i give the command compiz --replace |
| 15:10.05 | bony | this is the error http://swechabox.selfip.org/~bhuvan/copiz-error |
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| 15:11.50 | mark25 | how do you assign dependencies to init.d scripts on debian? i.e. service X must start before MySQL etc |
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| 15:14.21 | abrotman | mark25: with the numbers |
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| 15:15.47 | streuner | mysql is 19, the script must be less than 19... |
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| 15:19.45 | abrotman | i thought mysql was 20 |
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| 15:21.44 | fastputty | how do i install dig and nslookup in debian? |
| 15:21.52 | petemc | dnsutils |
| 15:21.55 | streuner | apt-get install dnsutils |
| 15:21.59 | fastputty | thanks |
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| 15:22.23 | abrotman | !tell fastputty about search |
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| 15:23.19 | coolbeans | Hi all. How can I tell which serial port a PCI modem has attached itself to? It shows up in lspci no problem but I can't figure out which ttsyX port its using. |
| 15:23.29 | well_real | i can not download 4.0r1, can i use 4.0r0 then upgrade to 4.0r1? |
| 15:24.14 | fastputty | abrotman: by the way .. yo ucannot search for this package.. |
| 15:24.18 | fastputty | abrotman: i already truied it.. |
| 15:24.20 | abrotman | fastputty: yes you can |
| 15:24.30 | fastputty | abrotman: apt-cache search nslookup return me nothing |
| 15:24.37 | fastputty | abrotman: apt-cache search dig return me hosts |
| 15:24.37 | abrotman | fastputty: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search nslookup |
| 15:24.41 | abrotman | read the whole factoid next time |
| 15:24.43 | thelostbutler | coolbeans: dmesg ? |
| 15:24.45 | wols_ | coolbeans: dmesg |
| 15:24.50 | coolbeans | Ahh! Thanks! |
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| 15:26.16 | mark25 | <abrotman> mark25: with the numbers |
| 15:26.29 | mark25 | so you can't actually assign dependencies like you can on gentoo? |
| 15:26.40 | abrotman | doesn't gentoo use a different init system ? |
| 15:26.41 | mark25 | i.e. if mysql tries to start and a dependency isn't running, it will start the dependency first? |
| 15:26.50 | abrotman | !info initng experimental |
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| 15:27.05 | liable | it doesnt do exp iirc |
| 15:27.07 | alex__ | what would be a command to what my hdd's are being accessed by? currently i have 40% WA in top and my HDD's are in heavy use for the last hour, i think its a process somewhere behing nasty - any clues? |
| 15:27.09 | abrotman | !info init-ng experimental |
| 15:27.31 | DD2 | I have an NFS mount that no longer exists... how can I force a umount on the server that mounted it ? |
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| 15:27.46 | coolbeans | hrm... my modem shows up in lspci but not in dmesg.. any suggestions? |
| 15:28.00 | mark25 | coolbeans you could try installing a driver for it.. |
| 15:28.03 | cast | abrotman: lsof will tell you open files |
| 15:28.09 | wols_ | coolbeans: no driver. lspci outout? |
| 15:28.13 | abrotman | cast: no thanks |
| 15:28.19 | cast | :| |
| 15:28.20 | abrotman | what is ti called .. hrm |
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| 15:28.41 | cast | i demand this room be limited to 25 other people, all with differing first letters. |
| 15:28.42 | abrotman | maybe it was removed |
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| 15:28.48 | wols_ | alex__: won't top output show which process uses the CPU? |
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| 15:28.56 | coolbeans | 0000:01:07.0 Modem: Intel Corporation FA82537EP 56K V.92 Data/Fax Modem PCI (rev 04) |
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| 15:29.08 | wols_ | coolbeans: winmodem. good luck |
| 15:29.11 | coolbeans | Thanks for the help. How would I install a driver? |
| 15:29.13 | alex__ | wols_, yes but not whats using the %wa? |
| 15:29.14 | coolbeans | Oh crap. |
| 15:29.15 | coolbeans | Never mind. |
| 15:29.19 | coolbeans | I'll just go buy another one. |
| 15:29.20 | wols_ | !linmodem |
| 15:29.21 | dpkg | linmodems are modems that occasionally work in linux, because the manufacturer has released specs about them. if you think you have one, check http://www.linmodems.org, or usually fairly crappy, as they make the cpu do the real work. get an external modem. you can't go wrong |
| 15:29.22 | liable | abrotman: dpkg doesnt do the experimental repo (well it never used to) |
| 15:29.22 | capiira | hi anyone know if there is a way to let gksu grab a dual display setup with the transparent gray layer? |
| 15:29.23 | wols_ | alex__: waiting |
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| 15:29.38 | wols_ | coolbeans: yours might even have a driver. |
| 15:29.47 | juso | In securecrt, for some reason some servers I save, wont prompt me for abiliy to save password, and some do. Anyone know why this is? |
| 15:29.52 | abrotman | liable: sure he did |
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| 15:29.57 | abrotman | but the package seems to be gone |
| 15:30.00 | well_real | hi, guys, i installed debian using 4.0r0 cd and then upgraded it using the 4.0r1 sources. Is it the same as installing using the 4.0r1 cd directly? thx |
| 15:30.01 | hark | !dbugs 426268 |
| 15:30.04 | dpkg | DONE:#426268:N[wnpp] O: initng -- Full replacement of the old sysvinit tool; Sun, 27 May 2007 15:18:02 UTC |
| 15:30.06 | wols_ | juso: ask securecrt people. or stop using shitty software and use putty |
| 15:30.15 | wols_ | well_real: yes |
| 15:30.16 | coolbeans | wols_: Thanks again. Let me go hit google and see how to install a winmodem driver. |
| 15:30.25 | Dark-Fx | putty sucks |
| 15:30.29 | wols_ | coolbeans: dpkg gave you afactoid. start there |
| 15:30.39 | juso | putty does suck, thats why i moved to securecrt |
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| 15:30.52 | wols_ | Dark-Fx: then rewrite it and make it better. good luck doing that with secure crt |
| 15:31.02 | wols_ | juso: your question is still OT here. no securecrt in debian |
| 15:31.15 | juso | I dont see a #securecrt |
| 15:31.15 | Dark-Fx | I much prefer the SSH Secure Shell |
| 15:31.26 | well_real | wols_, it's very strange, i can not find any 4.0r1 cd-iamges in our country |
| 15:31.29 | juso | there is a chance peoeple use it.. so I asked.. period. |
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| 15:31.44 | cast | juso: we don't give a shit. go ask in windows |
| 15:31.48 | wols_ | juso: it's still OT here. now go away. until you have a debian question |
| 15:32.02 | juso | no thats ok =) |
| 15:32.15 | paco090 | I have a broblem with utf8 encoding in the virtual console under kde - when I switch in cyrillic if I write something and then try to erase it I also can erase the 'user@host ~$' , it also doesn't work right when I write in the mysql client |
| 15:32.28 | juso | what is a broblem? |
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| 15:33.19 | h3sp4wn | paco090: using zsh (I have had the erase issue for as long as I can remember ?) |
| 15:33.33 | abrotman | hark: done ? |
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| 15:34.25 | hark | yeah, orphaned O |
| 15:34.46 | hark | !dbugs 435127 |
| 15:34.49 | dpkg | DONE:#435127:W[ftp.debian.org] RM: initng/experimental -- RoM; obsolete; inactive upstream; buggy; Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:36:02 UTC |
| 15:34.56 | hark | and then removed ;) |
| 15:34.58 | abrotman | hark: and dead upstream ... |
| 15:35.02 | abrotman | hark: oh well |
| 15:35.06 | abrotman | there's also upstart or something liek that |
| 15:35.16 | paco090 | h3sp4wn: but before I reinstall my debian this problem dissapeared in the old distro somehow |
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| 15:35.17 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/admin/upstart |
| 15:35.28 | cast | any idea why tar --anchored --exclude=dir1/dir2/dir3 inside dir0/ ended up including the excluded dir? |
| 15:35.34 | hark | the one ubuntu uses |
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| 15:36.17 | PerfDave | cast: The manpage suggests that --exclude excludes files, not directories? |
| 15:36.22 | abrotman | PerfDave! |
| 15:36.42 | PerfDave | abrotman! |
| 15:37.12 | cast | PerfDave: well, i'm trying to exclude this 20gb of files, so even if the dirs don't get matched it should have still excluded all the files nested in dir3 |
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| 15:40.47 | bipolar | I have an NFS mount used by everyone in our company. I want to make sure that all files are group+rw. is there a mount or exports option to force this? |
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| 15:41.33 | PerfDave | bipolar: You probably want to look at umask |
| 15:42.21 | bipolar | PerfDave: from what I was reading my understanding is that does not work for nfs mounts... at least the mount man page doesn't list that as an option for nfs mounts |
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| 15:43.06 | PerfDave | bipolar: The umask determines permissions of new files written on a filesystem. |
| 15:43.26 | PerfDave | It's only a mount option to fake it on filesystems which don't support umasks / user IDs etc. |
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| 15:43.37 | bipolar | PerfDave: hmm... I'll look into it more. I probbly just missed something. thank you! |
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| 15:46.25 | coolbeans | Once I get a linmodem driver installed, and it shows up in dmesg, where can I check to see which ttySx port it's assigned to? dmesg just says "Intel 537EP card found" |
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| 15:47.44 | cast | `querybts tar` so many issues its depressing |
| 15:47.46 | zmainframe | I have debian sid running. I am using the 2.6.22 kernel and I'm trying to stop edac_mc from being loaded by the kernel automatically. I created a /etc/modprobe.d/00local file where I set an alias edac_mc off, but the module still loads automatically on reboot. Do I need to do something else after I add the file in modprobe.d? |
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| 15:48.03 | cast | !blacklist |
| 15:48.03 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
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| 15:49.10 | Tapout | anyone know how I can add in ufs fs support into debian? I migrated from freebsd to debian and 2 older drives are ufs |
| 15:49.22 | liable | coolbeans: see if wvdialconf or pppconfig sees it |
| 15:50.33 | zmainframe | blacklist-initramfs |
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| 15:51.14 | Tapout | zmainframe, is that for me? |
| 15:51.35 | zmainframe | not sure, I'm new to irc |
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| 15:51.51 | zmainframe | I saw the ask about blacklist-initramfs comment |
| 15:52.11 | cast | /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 15:52.37 | zmainframe | ahhh, OK, got it. |
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| 15:52.57 | cast | new to irc?! irc is great. |
| 15:53.16 | zmainframe | I used to use it back in college, but I somehow forgot all but the basics |
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| 15:54.19 | zmainframe | ahh, cool, I'm rebuilding initram-fs...thats why I love debian |
| 15:54.32 | JordiGH | Is there any hope of recovering a lost partition? I think the data is still in the hard drive; just the partition is gone. |
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| 15:54.42 | zmainframe | brb |
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| 15:54.51 | cast | JordiGH: sure. |
| 15:55.01 | thelostbutler | Tapout: did you load the ufs fs driver module ? |
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| 15:55.18 | cast | a partition is just some region of the disk defined in the partition table |
| 15:55.23 | JordiGH | cast: Even if I'm not certain of the exact partition information? |
| 15:55.51 | cast | if you have some idea of where in the disk it is that can probably help a lot, there maybe a tool to try to reconstruct it too...perhaps gnu parted? i can't remmeber |
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| 15:56.11 | Tapout | thelostbutler, no.. I was just checking fsck.* to see if it was there.. noticed it wasn't, and figured it was a very common question |
| 15:56.15 | larsl | Is there a Debian way to install the free Intel wireless drivers (mac80211 + iwlwifi), or do I need to do it manually? |
| 15:56.15 | Tapout | other than that, no idea how to do it yet |
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| 15:56.55 | JordiGH | cast: I have some idea. No certainty. *sigh* |
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| 15:58.27 | cast | JordiGH: well, like i said, there is a tool that'll try and reconstruct it |
| 15:58.39 | JordiGH | parted seems too low-level for that. |
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| 15:59.00 | larsl | I can only see a package for the firmware, not for the actual driver. |
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| 15:59.16 | larsl | And it's not in the kernel tree. |
| 15:59.33 | azeem | larsl: it'll get into the tree in a couple of months I guess |
| 15:59.49 | maxxle | Hello! I've problems with a testing-Box and my Speedstepping on an IBM T43. The govener is currently userspace. But by writing values to scaling_setspeed i can't change the processorspeed? |
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| 16:00.03 | thelostbutler | Tapout: Are you able to see the ufs partitions ? |
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| 16:00.55 | cast | JordiGH: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/parted.html#rescue |
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| 16:01.20 | ttuttle | Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. I love Debian. |
| 16:01.45 | ttuttle | How much difference is there between lenny and sid? If I'm happy with lenny, will I probably be similarly happy with sid? |
| 16:02.01 | Dark-Fx | cast: gparted will search for the partition |
| 16:02.03 | cast | i wouldn't use sid |
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| 16:02.09 | wietz0r | ttuttle: Why switch at all ? |
| 16:02.10 | Tapout | thelostbutler, i'm going to connect the drives to the machine here in about 10 minutes.. I was just seeing how you do it |
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| 16:02.20 | cast | Dark-Fx: i know :o |
| 16:02.45 | bony | well for non nvidia graphic cards aiglx will take care of compositing and all what about nvidia cards? will even they work with aiglx? |
| 16:02.46 | ttuttle | wietz0r: I just like newer software. I just wanna know if it breaks enough to make it not worth my time. |
| 16:02.50 | JordiGH | Thanks, cast. |
| 16:02.58 | ttuttle | Oh, if I'm using Compiz, should I turn on AIGLX? |
| 16:03.03 | ttuttle | And do I need to? |
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| 16:03.23 | azeem | I don't think compiz works without AIGLX |
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| 16:03.25 | bony | or is anything else i mean xgl is needed to get installed and configure |
| 16:03.35 | Dark-Fx | er... gpart, actually |
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| 16:03.57 | thelostbutler | Tapout: Are you using stock debian kernel on the machine? If so, the parititions should be automatically recognized. You should see them in the boot process. |
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| 16:04.28 | capiira | aiglx is by default enabled |
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| 16:04.32 | Tapout | thelostbutler, using everything default |
| 16:04.35 | ttuttle | capiira: Okay. So I don't need to do anything. |
| 16:04.47 | ttuttle | capiira: (I just noticed it in the man page for my video driver and figured it might help to turn it on.) |
| 16:04.56 | Tapout | thelostbutler, thanks for that.. I'll get it setup here in a bit.. i'm trying to get organized :) |
| 16:05.02 | capiira | :) |
| 16:05.05 | capiira | dinner time |
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| 16:06.39 | JordiGH | Crap. "Disk label type: MS-DOS" |
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| 16:06.54 | cast | JordiGH: hmm, heed Dark-Fx's gpart suggestion. not sure which is better at finding em |
| 16:07.34 | JordiGH | Hm, I'll have to install gparted on this running Knoppix. I guess it's worth a shot. |
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| 16:08.13 | cast | FWIW i think i found the problem with my exclude in tar, --exclude=blah has to be the first argument to tar [undocumented, is probably a bug] |
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| 16:08.44 | PerfDave | cast: Ooh, bugs in GNU utils are fun |
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| 16:09.59 | DustyDingo | what is the best supported way to encrypt sofware raids (no / or /boot partitions) in debian unstable? |
| 16:10.08 | DustyDingo | dm-crypt? |
| 16:10.28 | cast | assuming the examples in tar actually work, i think this has been fixed in tar, just etch has 1.16 |
| 16:10.34 | cast | Dark-Fx: dm-crypt. |
| 16:10.39 | cast | god damnit |
| 16:10.40 | cast | DustyDingo: dm-crypt |
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| 16:10.58 | cast | DustyDingo: you don't really have any other decent options... |
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| 16:11.11 | DustyDingo | ok |
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| 16:11.30 | cast | PerfDave: is that still being developed? |
| 16:11.30 | ttuttle | How can I take an arbitrary -mm kernel and build it in the proper "Debian way"? |
| 16:11.42 | PerfDave | cast: No idea, it works though |
| 16:11.47 | PerfDave | ttuttle: see make-kpkg |
| 16:11.49 | Dark-Fx | make-kpkg |
| 16:11.52 | ttuttle | Thanks. |
| 16:11.54 | PerfDave | !make-kpkg |
| 16:11.54 | dpkg | [make-kpkg] the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 16:12.13 | zmainframe | OK, I am still getting the module loaded even though, I added the edac_mc /bin/true in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and did the dpkg-reconfigure on my current kernel |
| 16:12.18 | DustyDingo | then i will use dm-crypt with luks, its just because i read an old howto some time ago and it seemed to me, that there could be problems with software raids |
| 16:12.22 | zmainframe | what am I missing? |
| 16:12.46 | cast | PerfDave: linux has LRW now so i'd say dm-crypt might be ahead :) |
| 16:12.51 | DustyDingo | but no special treatment? |
| 16:12.53 | ttuttle | brb |
| 16:12.54 | PerfDave | cast: LRW? |
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| 16:13.32 | cast | PerfDave: encryption mode, preferable to CBC, i think it might be faster too, |
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| 16:14.54 | PerfDave | cast: Fair enough, I'm not going to mess with my working loop-aes setup |
| 16:14.58 | hark | zmainframe: it's "install modulename yourcommand" |
| 16:15.13 | cast | PerfDave: aye, if it aint broke! |
| 16:15.34 | cast | i wonder if ECB mode would be enough to foil police |
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| 16:15.51 | zmainframe | sorry, ahhhh stupid me!!!! |
| 16:16.03 | zmainframe | Thanks hark, I feel real dumb now |
| 16:16.09 | zmainframe | I'll try that!! |
| 16:16.49 | hark | you can try just "blacklist modulename" first |
| 16:17.08 | zmainframe | hark: I did try the blacklist modulename, but it didn't work. |
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| 16:17.27 | zmainframe | OK, rebuilding intitramfs |
| 16:17.29 | bolt | how can I list nfs shares on a machine on my network? |
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| 16:17.35 | DustyDingo | hm, i thought there was an old cryptsetup package and the more advanced cryptsetup-luks solution |
| 16:17.36 | zmainframe | I'll reboot, and be back soon |
| 16:17.41 | PerfDave | cast: I'm mostly just protecting against having information stolen from my laptop if it gets nicked, so I just encrypt /tmp, swap and $HOME |
| 16:17.47 | hark | gl :) |
| 16:17.50 | zmainframe | Thanks Hark |
| 16:18.02 | balzac5000 | Anyone using swatch (the log watcher) with Sarge? I'm starting it as a daemon from the command line at boot ( http://pastebin.ca/673670 ) but it zombies on me. I found a Japanese blog from '05 that suggests a startup script ( http://tinyurl.com/yowh6u ) but I can't get that to work with Sarge... |
| 16:18.18 | DustyDingo | but cryptsetup replaces cryptsetup-luks, does that mean the luks package is called "cryptsetup" in unstable? |
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| 16:18.26 | aleph0 | hi there. |
| 16:18.35 | cast | DustyDingo: they got merged me thinks |
| 16:18.36 | DustyDingo | .oO( bemusing ) |
| 16:18.37 | aleph0 | how can I list the complete dependency of a package? |
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| 16:18.51 | cast | cryptsetup-luks is just a superset of cryptsetup |
| 16:18.54 | hark | apt-cache depends foo |
| 16:18.59 | cast | no point having two pkgs |
| 16:19.26 | cast | fucker. tar is still not respecting my excludes |
| 16:19.32 | irwiss | aleph0: apt-cache show apt-rdepends |
| 16:19.35 | xdr | anyone know a good curses based cdburner (possibly with id3tags) and a good console imgage viewer? |
| 16:19.38 | DustyDingo | ok |
| 16:19.48 | cmanns | I finally got the chance to reboot my server, my avg load still always says 1.xx even if nothings running lol. What could cause this mayhem? |
| 16:20.04 | wietz0r | zombie processes |
| 16:20.08 | cast | xdr: fbi will view images with the frame buffer, if you are limited to a ascii terminal then cacaview is the best one can get... |
| 16:20.09 | aleph0 | hark is that the complete dependency tree? or do those listed packages have yet more dependencies? |
| 16:20.19 | hark | oh, apt-rdepends foo then |
| 16:20.21 | xdr | cast: thix |
| 16:20.27 | aleph0 | ah. |
| 16:20.28 | aleph0 | thanks |
| 16:20.34 | wietz0r | cmanns: Check you startup processes |
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| 16:20.51 | PerfDave | cmanns: I supect that it's not true that nothing's running. What does top tell you? |
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| 16:22.05 | cmanns | Well of course things are running but its not enough to raise the load. When I have php off the load is 1.00 on avg, when I start php and mysql the load raises to 1.18 or so on avg (my traffic is php/mysql pages) so its like the load is really 0.18 but its adding a 1 O.o |
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| 16:22.23 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 16:24.06 | PerfDave | cmanns: What does top tell you? |
| 16:24.28 | cmanns | top - 11:24:24 up 13:57, 1 user, load average: 1.34, 1.21, 1.12 |
| 16:24.48 | cmanns | Tasks: 92 total, 1 running, 79 sleeping, 12 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 16:25.08 | PerfDave | !paste |
| 16:25.08 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 16:25.31 | PerfDave | cmanns: What does top tell *you* about the processes running on the system? |
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| 16:26.24 | cmanns | Their cpu usage is 0% and their memory usage is .1% or 0. |
| 16:26.42 | cmanns | from a reboot, the load is 1.00 should be 0.00. |
| 16:26.46 | wietz0r | rootkit |
| 16:26.47 | wietz0r | ? |
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| 16:27.32 | jelly | !why is tomcat5.5 not in testing |
| 16:27.32 | dpkg | tomcat5.5 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tomcat5.5 |
| 16:27.39 | PerfDave | cmanns: What about memory usage? What does free tell you? |
| 16:27.40 | jelly | thank you, dpkg |
| 16:27.40 | dpkg | no problem, jelly |
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| 16:28.06 | cmanns | Mem: 2075896 2018592 57304 0 100168 1695108 |
| 16:28.17 | PerfDave | !tell cmanns -about paste |
| 16:29.00 | cmanns | oh right sorry |
| 16:29.00 | cmanns | http://rafb.net/p/zcGh2i92.html |
| 16:29.58 | PerfDave | cmanns: Hmm, I'd expect a high memory usage to generate load average but you seem to have plenty free. |
| 16:30.12 | cmanns | The 1.00 is a error. |
| 16:30.25 | cmanns | I jus dunno what could make top, uptime, etc display 1 instead of a 0 |
| 16:32.04 | PerfDave | cmanns: What makes you think it's an error in the output of uptime? |
| 16:32.29 | PerfDave | cmanns: Personally, I'd at least consider wietz0r's suggestion that you've been r00ted |
| 16:32.41 | cmanns | because this system was just reformatted =/ |
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| 16:32.57 | PerfDave | cmanns: Disk load? |
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| 16:33.28 | cmanns | How could it stay perfectly above 1.00? |
| 16:33.29 | Azar | Linus borks again and again with a deformed vision about Debian ... eh, not everyone is a "genius" |
| 16:33.42 | cmanns | If it was something causing the load it'd possibly go .99 |
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| 16:33.47 | cast | find dir1 -wholename 'dir1/dir2/dir3' -prune -o -print|pax -w > dir1.tar :) [for the next poor bastard who tries to use tars --exclude] |
| 16:34.02 | troubled | Azar: linus have something to say about debian does he? |
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| 16:34.24 | Azar | troubled: you are right, bad publicity is in fact publicity |
| 16:34.30 | cast | i kinda took what he said as a compliment, i mean if debian is too hard for him...:) |
| 16:34.48 | Azar | makes one feel good that he/she can run Debian and Linus can't |
| 16:34.56 | troubled | Azar: are you refering to his comment about not using it in that last interview he gave? |
| 16:34.58 | cast | s/hard/technical/? can't remember exactly what he said |
| 16:35.03 | hark | fedora just works ;) |
| 16:35.11 | Azar | troubled: the first interview and the last one.. |
| 16:35.18 | troubled | ya, i think i know the one you mean then |
| 16:35.25 | deadcat | i am getting this: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_unix.so |
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| 16:36.22 | troubled | deadcat: does the file exist? |
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| 16:36.40 | zmainframe | OK, still have the edac_mc modules being loaded |
| 16:36.44 | deadcat | troubled: ya |
| 16:37.08 | deadcat | troubled: PAM [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_env.so: symbol pam_syslog, version LIBPAM_EXTENSION_1.0 not defined in file libpam.so.0 with link time reference] |
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| 16:37.10 | Azar | and I find now a good point to use the debianized kernels instead of picking them up directly from source: Linus seems not to have idea or care about Debian |
| 16:37.17 | hark | we'd probably lart him for not compiling the kernel the debian way ;) |
| 16:37.24 | simonrvn | deadcat: restart it |
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| 16:37.27 | Azar | hehe |
| 16:37.33 | deadcat | simonrvn: the machine? |
| 16:37.48 | cast | hark: i wonder who would be right... |
| 16:37.51 | simonrvn | deadcat: whatever the thing that's bitching about that |
| 16:37.55 | zmainframe | I am using a debianized kernel as well, but I still can't stop these modules from loading |
| 16:37.58 | deadcat | simonrvn: oh |
| 16:37.58 | PerfDave | Linus doesn't have much of an idea or care about anything beyond Linux. Which is fine, execept that people seem to expect him to be some kind of expert on GNU/Linux distributions and related software. |
| 16:38.01 | simonrvn | deadcat: pam update in sid? |
| 16:38.05 | deadcat | simonrvn: ya |
| 16:38.08 | cast | zmainframe: if they really piss you off rm em |
| 16:38.22 | simonrvn | deadcat: just restart whatever it is. me it was cron |
| 16:38.29 | deadcat | simonrvn: ah |
| 16:38.32 | zmainframe | cast: true, I just to remember to do that every time I update the kernel... |
| 16:38.38 | cahoot | PerfDave, you sure he has no idea about anything but linux? |
| 16:38.53 | deadcat | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 16:39.12 | PerfDave | cahoot: Finnish and karate? |
| 16:39.39 | simonrvn | deadcat: shared libs, right; so it has the old stuff loaded in mem, then when the child cron run, they get the new stuff, so there's a conflict that happens |
| 16:39.41 | cast | he has some opinions on SCM |
| 16:39.42 | larsl | PerfDave: He's a swedish speaker. |
| 16:39.53 | larsl | PerfDave: Although he probably knows finnish as well. |
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| 16:40.08 | PerfDave | larsl: Ah yeah, he just went to Uni in Finland |
| 16:40.15 | simonrvn | CRAP CRAP |
| 16:40.17 | deadcat | simonrvn: ya.. its been up for a while (= |
| 16:40.18 | larsl | PerfDave: No, he is from Finland. |
| 16:40.26 | PerfDave | Fair enough |
| 16:40.29 | Azar | love this comment: "About the Debian comment, I'm just glad he didn't say Slackware instead. That would have pushed some slacker to fork the kernel :p" hehe |
| 16:40.30 | larsl | They have native swedish speakers there. |
| 16:40.32 | PerfDave | Anyway, he speaks some languages and stuff. |
| 16:40.36 | vn_ | from finland? is he Linus? :p |
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| 16:41.53 | troubled | PerfDave: he may not be a distro guru, but I be he can tweak a kernel better than most ppl here :) |
| 16:41.58 | Azar | I would think that after so much laughter and slapping around, Linus will maybe give Debian a try.. |
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| 16:42.35 | PerfDave | troubled: Debian provides kernels so Debian users don't need to know how to tweak them ;) |
| 16:42.36 | troubled | Azar: i think it would be nice if he gave it a whirl tbh. always nice to get feedback on a fairly distinct distro like debian |
| 16:42.50 | PerfDave | What's sparked this discussion about Linus anyway? |
| 16:42.50 | Azar | Linus after trying Debian: "oh Noe!! what did they do with my kernel!!! " |
| 16:42.51 | troubled | althought i cant recall if he tried ubuntu instead |
| 16:42.53 | SerajewelKS | which comment are we talking about? |
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| 16:43.22 | Azar | SerajewelKS: the old interview and the new one... he keeps saying Debian is hard to install |
| 16:43.29 | GarryFre | Linus tries a distro? /emote faints dead away. |
| 16:43.40 | GarryFre | he should try updating gentoo |
| 16:43.40 | Deepa | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.54 | cast | oh for fucks sake. now this is pissing me off. i hit the 250 path/filename limit for ustar in pax |
| 16:43.55 | troubled | Azar: did he seriously have objections to the debianized kernel? seems odd considering it would be no different than say -mm branch or similar |
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| 16:44.03 | Azar | now now... gentoo is just an exaggeration |
| 16:44.07 | SerajewelKS | Azar: hard to install? it's easier than windows IMO. |
| 16:44.18 | Azar | troubled: no, I was making that up , dreaming |
| 16:44.20 | troubled | cast: aint life a bitch? --bind mount fix that? |
| 16:44.24 | PerfDave | I still don't see why anyone gives a toss on Linus' opinion on anything other than Linux. He's a well-known figure, but he's well-known for Linux. |
| 16:44.34 | troubled | Azar: ahh ok |
| 16:44.37 | Azar | http://beranger.org/index.php?page=diary&2007/08/23/10/56/10-linus-and-debian |
| 16:44.50 | SerajewelKS | sure fedora might be easier but really... fedora wouldn't be my first choice for anyone |
| 16:44.54 | cast | 250 chars per path/filename limit* |
| 16:45.39 | troubled | cast: i know what you mean. im saying, no chance you cant just bind mount a dir somewhere shorter to kludge fix it? |
| 16:45.41 | linuxtk10 | hey whats that debian kernel called |
| 16:45.43 | troubled | like /opt? |
| 16:45.44 | linuxtk10 | like netboot |
| 16:45.45 | linuxtk10 | or |
| 16:45.48 | linuxtk10 | netinstall |
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| 16:45.53 | Klaps | hi |
| 16:45.53 | troubled | cast: or /kludge even :) |
| 16:45.58 | GarryFre | I did have a hard time with a glitch that said my sources.list was wrong when it was correct, and its not so much the install as being victim of out-dated instructions. |
| 16:46.00 | linuxtk10 | allows you to put the kernel in and it will install the distro ? |
| 16:46.09 | cast | troubled: oh....hmm, perhaps. but itll probably manifest itself in another dir later |
| 16:46.15 | Klaps | how can i see all processes with process ID |
| 16:46.21 | PerfDave | Klaps: ps |
| 16:46.22 | GarryFre | The instructions I read, were from a review of Debian, referring to buttons that were not there. |
| 16:46.26 | vn_ | ps aux |
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| 16:46.35 | troubled | cast: no doubt. what are you setting pax on anyways thats got 250+? |
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| 16:47.03 | GarryFre | If you mean your own processes, do ps -u yourloginname |
| 16:47.08 | troubled | cast: or is "ustar" the program? (sorry, not familiar with it) |
| 16:47.31 | cast | troubled: ustar is the format, 'extended tar interchange format specified in the IEEE Std 1003.1 (``POSIX.1'')' |
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| 16:47.59 | troubled | cast: ive heard of/used star before, just not ustar |
| 16:48.12 | JordiGH | cast: I've recovered one partition. This is big progress. |
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| 16:50.40 | Azar | GarryFre: I never run apt from buttons.... put your sources.list on a paster see what you got there: less /etc/apt/sources.list copy content paste in a paster |
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| 16:51.42 | troubled | JordiGH: let me guess, partitioning accident? |
| 16:53.59 | GarryFre | Azar I have to vanish for a couple hours. Synaptec doesn't gripe about my sources.list now. I think it was because the instructions had a use the synaptik part, and a CLI part, and the CLI part didn't tell me to do update with apt. Sorry gott ago now. |
| 16:53.59 | JordiGH | troubled: I wouldn't call it "accident". It could have been deliberate vandalism. |
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| 16:54.45 | Azar | what is DFSG? |
| 16:54.51 | troubled | JordiGH: ? you box get broken into or something? |
| 16:54.54 | PerfDave | !dfsg |
| 16:54.54 | dpkg | hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 16:55.09 | Azar | :) thanks PerfDave |
| 16:55.09 | DoeBoy | heya |
| 16:55.17 | DoeBoy | anyone know how to install apt-get from source? |
| 16:55.29 | DoeBoy | I got this rpath linux distro that doesnt have crap |
| 16:55.40 | DoeBoy | I need to install stuff and I'd like to put apt-get on it |
| 16:55.43 | Azar | DoeBoy: Debian comes with apt |
| 16:55.47 | Ronin | rpath? why not check in thier docs? man? irc channels? |
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| 16:55.56 | SerajewelKS | DoeBoy: this is #debian not #some-random-distro |
| 16:55.59 | DoeBoy | yeah, problem is its for work and I cant install debian |
| 16:56.09 | PerfDave | DoeBoy: Using apt to install packages from one distro on another distro is probably going to break things badly. |
| 16:56.10 | SerajewelKS | DoeBoy: ask them |
| 16:56.11 | Ronin | DoeBoy: then talk to your work admins |
| 16:56.28 | DoeBoy | heh, no one around to ask :) |
| 16:56.38 | DoeBoy | perfdave, really? you think it'll break stuff? |
| 16:56.47 | Ronin | then you best start reading on the rpath website |
| 16:57.01 | DoeBoy | unfortunately, rpath doesnt have anything on installing additional patches |
| 16:57.08 | PerfDave | DoeBoy: Debian packages are built to run on Debian systems. If they're kludged onto non-Debian systems, there's no telling what will happen. |
| 16:57.13 | cydork | DoeBoy: don't use rPath? |
| 16:57.14 | DoeBoy | since I am using a vanilla zenoss virtual machine |
| 16:57.21 | DoeBoy | I wish I could dump rpath |
| 16:57.43 | DoeBoy | and install debian, but I cant since the manager here is a nitwit |
| 16:57.48 | Azar | DoeBoy: "apt" is not just a piece of convenient software to get grabbed and installed on "some operating system" hehehe |
| 16:57.54 | SerajewelKS | DoeBoy: your question is not debian-related, and the only answers you are going to get are: (1) don't do that, it will break, and (2) ask your distro's support channel |
| 16:58.10 | Azar | oh and Linux is not Debian .. |
| 16:58.25 | SerajewelKS | DoeBoy: no amount of explaining what an awful, terrible spot you're in will make what you want to do magically work. it won't. you will screw yourself over. |
| 16:58.40 | JordiGH | troubled: More like I was too trusting and didn't set BIOS passwords and probably someone came by and botched a Windows install. |
| 16:58.46 | DoeBoy | ok, thanks, I guess that answers me questions |
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| 16:58.55 | JordiGH | So, it's found the root partition. |
| 16:59.00 | JordiGH | Yay! |
| 16:59.06 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: gpart? |
| 16:59.18 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Is that different from gparted? |
| 16:59.26 | troubled | JordiGH: someone just came up to your box while you weren't around, and decided to just install windows without asking?! |
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| 16:59.40 | troubled | JordiGH: that sounds borderline criminal to me |
| 16:59.56 | SerajewelKS | !info gpart |
| 17:00.25 | JordiGH | troubled: This is in an undergrad computer lab where the kids have no culture of not being able to do whatever the fuck they want with their computers. The ideas of "privacy", "permissions" and "restrictions" is completely alien to them. |
| 17:00.40 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Yeah, found it. |
| 17:00.43 | dpkg | gpart: (Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1h-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 17:00.55 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: it didn't work for me |
| 17:01.01 | SerajewelKS | anyway, work, see ya'll later |
| 17:01.15 | troubled | JordiGH: oh, ok sry. I was thinking it was your house/apt or something and a roomie reinstalled your box without asking or simialr |
| 17:01.18 | JordiGH | Hey, gpart found the second lost partition! |
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| 17:02.09 | troubled | JordiGH: actually, for what it's worth, it sounds like a good lesson to learn, considering that you appear to be in luck with a mid/full recovery |
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| 17:02.49 | JordiGH | Woo! Found the second partition! |
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| 17:03.22 | troubled | JordiGH: i assume the install only erased the mbr/partition table? |
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| 17:04.48 | JordiGH | troubled: Looks like it. Adding the partitions and fscking them seems to have worked. |
| 17:05.13 | PerfDave | Whoo I can leave work soon |
| 17:05.45 | SoulChild | How can i make network-manager remeber the WPA-Key without asking for it everytime at startup? |
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| 17:06.56 | joefsoD | What is netcat? |
| 17:07.56 | PerfDave | joefsoD: apt-cache show netcat |
| 17:08.11 | hardcampa | netcat = nc |
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| 17:08.21 | hardcampa | = the ultimate toolf for debugging tcp/ip =) |
| 17:08.31 | zmainframe | hark: I fixed my module problem |
| 17:09.25 | zmainframe | It turns out that I still had /etc/modprobe.conf, and since that was there first, I don't think the kernel or initramfs bothered to look into /etc/modprobe.d |
| 17:09.43 | zmainframe | so now was finially able to get rid fo those stupid modules! |
| 17:09.51 | hardcampa | joefsoD: say you program a socket implementation, You need a server to connect to, then you can simply tell netcat to listen to a port and print everything that comes in on the screen. |
| 17:09.55 | hardcampa | it eases development |
| 17:10.08 | hardcampa | such stuff |
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| 17:13.07 | juanma | hi! I have a problem with iceweasel, it crashes and I get the message "segmentation fault", I don't know how to fix it, can you help me? |
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| 17:13.21 | PerfDave | juanma: What's it doing when it crashes? |
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| 17:13.32 | JordiGH | juanma: A segfault is relatively hard to debug. Are you using Flash, btw? |
| 17:14.03 | juanma | do you want to say if I'm viewing a web page with Flash?? |
| 17:14.04 | curator | Hello world! Just wanted to ask, if i can change my running 32bit kernel to an 64bit kernel without major problems. will the other software assimilate that or crash? Thank you in advance |
| 17:14.06 | troubled | JordiGH: i guess you can be thankfull that they didnt actually start an install and start copying setup files to the hd |
| 17:14.10 | zmainframe | going to reboot |
| 17:14.11 | zmainframe | brb |
| 17:14.23 | JordiGH | troubled: Yeah, this doesn't look like malice, just idiocy. |
| 17:14.23 | PerfDave | curator: You'll need to reboot, but you can run a 32-bit userland on 64-bit kernel without problems. |
| 17:14.34 | curator | PerfDave Thank you. |
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| 17:14.53 | troubled | JordiGH: or a test from the teacher perhaps? |
| 17:14.57 | JordiGH | curator: Also bear in mind that libraries have to be compiled for 64bit to actually be useful. |
| 17:14.59 | PerfDave | curator: I used to run Sarge 32-bit with a 64-bit kernel, so I could run amd64-only apps in a chroot. |
| 17:15.02 | juanma | usually I run iceweasel and in seconds or a pair of minutes it crashes... |
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| 17:15.04 | JordiGH | troubled: The teacher of life? |
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| 17:15.42 | troubled | JordiGH: oh hehe, misunderstand the setting. thought it was a class/course machine you were using |
| 17:15.48 | troubled | but that works too :) |
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| 17:16.23 | JordiGH | troubled: *I* am the teacher for this course. :-) |
| 17:16.27 | puremind | watch this - compilation of one good programm fails - is it OS bug or something else? http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?s1ntbq5fc2nt |
| 17:16.32 | puremind | hi all |
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| 17:16.54 | troubled | JordiGH: maybe your students wanted to give you a pop quiz? *shrug* |
| 17:17.13 | PerfDave | juanma: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 17:17.29 | juanma | sid |
| 17:17.44 | PerfDave | juanma: That might be your problem, have you checked the BTS? |
| 17:17.55 | juanma | I don't know what is a BTS |
| 17:17.58 | PerfDave | !bts |
| 17:17.58 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 17:18.25 | troubled | JordiGH: although I suppose the real lesson here is that a teacher should demonstrate best practices by backing up their machines |
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| 17:18.41 | juanma | thanks dpkg |
| 17:18.41 | dpkg | juanma: sure thing |
| 17:18.43 | PerfDave | A teacher should demonstrate best practice with BIOS & bootloader passwords and padlocks on the case ;) |
| 17:19.20 | zinx | PerfDave: physical access == game over |
| 17:19.38 | SoulChild | How can i make Network-Manager remeber my W-LAN keys ??? |
| 17:19.42 | PerfDave | zere: Hance the padlocks on the case :) |
| 17:19.48 | PerfDave | zinx even, gah |
| 17:19.55 | JordiGH | PerfDave: I was thinking of booby traps, actually. Preferrably that spray chemicals that irritate mucuous membranes. |
| 17:20.06 | Hoxzer | SoulChild: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:20.15 | PerfDave | Hoxzer: That will disable network-manager |
| 17:20.22 | Hoxzer | aha |
| 17:20.22 | adv4cate | I don't know how this actually works, but if a system were waiting for a BIOS password and the BIOS has WOL enabled, then that might imply that someone could abuse the WOL to gain control of the BIOS code. |
| 17:20.36 | PerfDave | SoulChild: What interface are you using for network-manager? I find that network-manager-kde remembers WEP passkeys for me, I haven't tried it with WPA. |
| 17:20.42 | puremind | Here's system related info: http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?t2i0o26vo09a Here's a bug (?): http://www.everfall.com/paste/id.php?s1ntbq5fc2nt |
| 17:20.47 | adv4cate | so perhaps it would be safer to allow the system to boot to the MBR and implement the password there after the BIOS code has been mostly irrelevant. |
| 17:20.48 | SoulChild | Hoxzer: i don't think Network-Manager uses this file, cause all interfaces are disabled there ! |
| 17:21.07 | SoulChild | PerfDave: I use the GNome Version |
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| 17:22.05 | PerfDave | SoulChild: Ah, can't help with that I'm afraid, but I'd expect it to remember passphrases. |
| 17:22.33 | cahoot | network-manager-gnome handles wpa for sure, insists on gpg key to run nm at boot |
| 17:22.55 | juanma | dpkg: In BTS there are a lot of bugs with "segmentation fault"... "segfault with that page", "segfault scrolling", "segfault with flash" but not "segfault always" :'( |
| 17:22.55 | dpkg | okay, juanma |
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| 17:23.15 | PerfDave | juanma: dpkg is an IRCbot |
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| 17:23.37 | juanma | uops it seems so good guy |
| 17:23.41 | juanma | :D |
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| 17:25.07 | edistar_ | is vmware player quite stable on lenny? |
| 17:25.57 | blackest | any networking experts around I seem to have a wierd problem with connecting wirelessly it only seems to occur when I have a particular box on which appears to be acting as a wins server any idea's |
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| 17:28.37 | scrip | My system is running rpc.statd, the man pages says its related to NFS (which I'm not running). Can I get rid of this? how? |
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| 17:29.03 | SoulChild | Is there a way to stop this f***ing crash with firefox and flash ? |
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| 17:29.24 | scrip | soulchild: I got that one too, on flash video sites? |
| 17:30.03 | SoulChild | scrip: yes |
| 17:30.21 | JordiGH | SoulChild: Don't use flash or try out gnash which can already do flv. |
| 17:30.25 | adv4cate | scrip: you could uninstall all of the packages which might make use of it. or you could remove the rcX.d symlinks. |
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| 17:31.17 | scrip | adv4cate: theres nothing in /etc/init.d, no /etc/init.d/statd or anything |
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| 17:32.10 | adv4cate | scrip: you could search through /etc/init.d to find which packages call the rpc.statd |
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| 17:32.58 | scrip | adv4cate: nfs-common, but that isn't running right now and statd is loaded. Is nfs starting, loading statd, and then exiting or something weird like that? |
| 17:33.24 | jamaur | anybody know of a good webhosting company in the US for a dedicated server? |
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| 17:33.53 | adv4cate | scrip: nfs needn't be running for rpc.statd to be running. |
| 17:34.26 | scrip | adv4cate: right, I'm just trying to figure out why its running at all, this is a very minimal install, mail server |
| 17:35.08 | scrip | adv4cate: shouldn't be running anything besides postfix/dovecot |
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| 17:35.42 | adv4cate | scrip: have you tried removing the packages that you're not using? |
| 17:36.14 | Zapaty | hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=12583232, sector=12583231 |
| 17:36.21 | Zapaty | on fsck |
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| 17:37.01 | adv4cate | scrip: or you could remove the relevant rcX.d symlinks. there are several other methods as well. |
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| 17:39.24 | Azar | wow.... some people downloaded and installed the 4.0r1 thinking is a brand new Debian version |
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| 17:39.42 | cast | rtfr |
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| 17:40.13 | Azar | people are just used with "the hard way" of doing things |
| 17:40.30 | cast | must have been quite a let down |
| 17:40.44 | Ronin | wonder what they thought the r was for |
| 17:41.09 | Azar | cast: is that when the release of the 4.0r1 was widely published online, nobody bothered to mention for the new users: no need to install .... AGAIN |
| 17:41.24 | Azar | Ronin: I would guess for "revised" |
| 17:41.29 | larsl | No need to install ever unless you buy a new computer. |
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| 17:41.47 | Azar | squashed bugs that one can just apply to the existing installation by using update/upgrade |
| 17:41.48 | adv4cate | reinstallation is education, fun, and exciting |
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| 17:42.10 | sarixe | how come i can't get on www.infosyssec.com .net .org ? |
| 17:42.24 | Azar | adv4cate: yeah I used to practice that when I moved from mswin to Debian/Linux... I didn't know squat |
| 17:42.28 | sarixe | it tells me ACCESS DENIED |
| 17:42.50 | zinx | i never reinstalled my slack system way back when |
| 17:43.07 | zinx | stopped using the package management too - and went through the libc5 -> glibc upgrade |
| 17:43.13 | Azar | http://blog.thedebianuser.org/?p=216 |
| 17:43.22 | Eulex | sarixe, because their web server is broken? |
| 17:43.33 | lindenle | JaasonS: guess it just needed some time ;) |
| 17:43.50 | Ronin | sarixe: your ip/isp is blocked? |
| 17:43.51 | sarixe | Eulex : but if i go to infosyssec.com from a knoppix-std livecd booted in virtualbox, then i can get to it |
| 17:44.00 | Ronin | ahh |
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| 17:44.47 | xand | sarixe: try a different browser |
| 17:44.59 | sarixe | xand : tried elinks, doesn't work |
| 17:45.11 | xand | email webmaster@ |
| 17:45.14 | Eulex | sarixe, worked in ie6 here. apparently they block certain web browsers. |
| 17:45.29 | sarixe | alright, lemme try dillo |
| 17:45.29 | Ronin | andfine here in firefox and ie7 |
| 17:45.32 | Eulex | sarixe, or do only allow certain web browsers |
| 17:45.47 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.50 | sarixe | Eulex : i'm using iceweasel |
| 17:46.02 | Eulex | sarixe, me too |
| 17:46.29 | zinx | haha they block firefox |
| 17:46.32 | lindenle | Ok, Hi guys I have an x61 that I am slowly getting configured, but now when i take it out of the ulta-bay the keyboard stops working. Does anyone know how to fix that. |
| 17:46.33 | xand | i see what you mean using links, but it's not a debian problem, it's a website problem |
| 17:46.36 | Ronin | zinx: no they dont |
| 17:46.41 | xand | zinx: no they don't, works fine in FF |
| 17:46.44 | sarixe | firebird worked from knoppix std |
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| 17:46.59 | zinx | it gave me access denied until i switched my UA to opera on XP :/ |
| 17:47.02 | xand | sarixe: ask them why they're blocking certain websites, we can't tell you! |
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| 17:47.12 | sarixe | ok |
| 17:47.14 | sarixe | ... |
| 17:47.15 | zinx | and if i switch it back to default it gives access denied again. |
| 17:47.21 | xand | s/websites/browsers/ |
| 17:47.22 | zinx | so, they're blocking something based on the UA |
| 17:47.30 | TeReL50 | could anyone help me to get thr right repo for compiz-fusion pls? |
| 17:47.34 | sarixe | zinx : change the browser id? |
| 17:47.51 | sarixe | dillo didn't work |
| 17:48.38 | zinx | ok |
| 17:48.40 | toomasr_ | hi, after dist-upgrade couple of weeks ago kdm stopped working (does not allow to login by anyone), i thought it will just blow over |
| 17:48.46 | zinx | they are blocking Iceweasel specificly |
| 17:48.59 | Ronin | zinx: bet they aren't |
| 17:49.02 | sarixe | zinx : dillo didn't work, and elinks didn't work |
| 17:49.07 | sarixe | and ronin used firefox |
| 17:49.18 | zinx | sarixe: i'm not saying they aren't blocking other stuff |
| 17:49.24 | toomasr_ | now i'm just googling and trying to figure things out, i've found out that /var/log/auth.log shows: |
| 17:49.32 | zinx | but i changed *only* "Iceweasel" to "Firefox", and it got blocked |
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| 17:49.46 | xand | seems like a crap website to me :) |
| 17:49.46 | Azar | lag 296... is my stuff or...wtf? |
| 17:49.47 | sarixe | zinx : but ronin used firefox and got in |
| 17:49.48 | toomasr_ | pam_unix(kdm:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=:0 ruser= rhost= user=myusername and pam_unix(kdm:auth): check pass; user unknown |
| 17:49.51 | Azar | I waskicked? |
| 17:49.58 | xand | Azar: no, you quit |
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| 17:50.04 | Eulex | * Azar has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 17:50.05 | zinx | sarixe: right, they're blocking iceweasel, not firefox |
| 17:50.13 | toomasr_ | is there some advice how can i search futher? or maybe it is a known issue and i use wrong keywords in googling? |
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| 17:50.19 | Azar | no, I was just typing the upper sentence when I saw myself re-join |
| 17:50.25 | sarixe | zinx : so if i change it to firefox, then it won't get blocked? |
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| 17:50.38 | zinx | doesn't work: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070723 Iceweasel/2.0.0.6 (Debian-2.0.0.6-1) |
| 17:50.43 | Azar | I kept seeng lag on my status bar... then pooofff rejoined |
| 17:50.43 | zinx | does work: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070723 Firefox/2.0.0.6 (Debian-2.0.0.6-1) |
| 17:50.49 | Ronin | zinx: ill be damned, iceweasel gives me access is denied as well |
| 17:50.52 | sarixe | zinx : thanks |
| 17:50.53 | zinx | come to your own conclusions, but I've come to mine. |
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| 17:51.07 | zinx | Ronin: yeah go figure, eh |
| 17:51.14 | zinx | i'm not completely stupid :) |
| 17:51.16 | toomasr_ | i did reinstall to libpam and runtime/modules, so i guess i have everything set up correctly from that end |
| 17:51.18 | Azar | Ronin: penis envy from mozilla? |
| 17:51.20 | Ronin | bur ff is fine, now thats odd |
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| 17:51.46 | toomasr_ | i also dpkg --purge'd kdm and reinstalle that also, same behaviour is with xdm and gdm also |
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| 17:52.04 | zinx | Ronin: they clearly hate Debian |
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| 17:52.14 | toomasr_ | so basically to log gets my username correct but cannot find uid and says unknown user |
| 17:52.14 | Azar | zinx: what is the website not allowing you? |
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| 17:52.23 | Ronin | http://www.infosyssec.net/ |
| 17:52.28 | Ronin | Azar: ^ |
| 17:52.33 | Azar | thanks Ronin |
| 17:52.35 | sarixe | and .com and .org |
| 17:52.38 | zinx | Azar: the one sarixe pasted, www.infosyssec.com |
| 17:52.41 | noire | hello all... has anyone installed etch on a Dell Poweredge 1950 successfully? |
| 17:52.47 | sarixe | zinx : where do i change the UA? |
| 17:53.02 | sarixe | nevermind |
| 17:53.03 | sarixe | got it |
| 17:53.12 | zinx | sarixe: i'm using a plugin called User Agent Switcher |
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| 17:53.16 | sarixe | o |
| 17:53.17 | sarixe | nice |
| 17:54.39 | Ronin | half tempted to email them and ask why |
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| 17:55.13 | zinx | Ronin: just spam their logs with nasty UA messages! :D |
| 17:55.14 | Zapaty | [12:22:16] «Zapaty» hda : dma_intr : status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 17:55.14 | Zapaty | [12:22:41] «Zapaty» hda : dma_intr : error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=5938735, sector=5938735 |
| 17:55.18 | Zapaty | any ideas ? |
| 17:55.20 | Zapaty | on fsck |
| 17:55.20 | Azar | Ronin: I am not a webmaster guru, can you see on the source any particular restrictive code or function, that iceweasel might use or not having on its use? |
| 17:55.22 | Zapaty | -s |
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| 17:56.09 | Azar | like say... <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> |
| 17:56.29 | d0uglas | going through raid hell still.. can i turn off raid mode in bios, install on one of the four hard drives with the other three blank and down the line after i get everything humming try to fire up raid0? |
| 17:56.49 | d0uglas | .. with software raid? |
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| 17:57.04 | Ronin | Azar: first line on the source is that |
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| 17:57.37 | Azar | Ronin: yes, but something in that line might restrict the usage of certain browsers? |
| 17:57.44 | Ronin | not so far |
| 17:58.01 | Azar | zinx: a website that is not able to be displayed by "any" browser, is a crap one |
| 17:58.04 | zinx | Azar: there is no difference between Iceweasel and Firefox apart from the name and some minor default options/patches |
| 17:58.24 | Azar | zinx: it is basically the same minus the trademarked logos |
| 17:58.28 | zinx | Azar: the restriction is purely server-side and useless |
| 17:58.37 | zinx | there is no good reason to do it :/ |
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| 17:59.08 | Azar | zinx: eh some websites are killing my firefox upright... some codes behave like bomb traps |
| 17:59.27 | zinx | Azar: then those are bugs that should be fixed |
| 17:59.33 | zinx | Azar: but i'm more likely to blame flash there :P |
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| 17:59.48 | Azar | and not only, the website might be ok, but articles contributed to them might contain html bombs and webmaster not even know it |
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| 18:00.30 | Azar | Debaday website hosted such an article (was about gimp) that was nuking my browser everytime I tried to access the website |
| 18:01.27 | cast | '#317466: pax cannot access files >2gb' god fucking damnit does nothing not suck? |
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| 18:02.02 | adv4cate | cast: there's medication for that |
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| 18:08.46 | cast | adv4cate: cyanide? |
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| 18:10.45 | fastputty | ls- al |
| 18:10.46 | adv4cate | cast: don't be so melodramatic. |
| 18:10.49 | fastputty | ops |
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| 18:11.38 | cast | i suppose i could be proped up on prozac. but i'd rather someone just make a not broken archiving tool |
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| 18:12.10 | adv4cate | and certainly not a problem so enormous that it would require such an outburst |
| 18:12.17 | cast | adv4cate: you know pax users? |
| 18:12.27 | adv4cate | cast: every single one of them, intimately |
| 18:14.34 | cast | * adv4cate doesn't know anyone else who has a problem managing archives larger than 2 gb. <- was that refering to pax users? |
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| 18:18.08 | agrimol | hello folks, |
| 18:18.08 | agrimol | I have a question, we are using automount (aka autofs) and while it auto mounts or floppy disks after a hot-removal of the floppy disk we are able to see the files still in /ah (dir linked to /mnt/floppy) It seems like the files/folder names remain cached in the FS for a quick |
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| 18:22.46 | sarixe | how do i connect an ipod and see its database? |
| 18:22.57 | cast | !ipod |
| 18:22.58 | dpkg | [ipod] a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 18:23.27 | sarixe | thanks |
| 18:23.59 | cast | hmm, they have databases? nfi if gtkpod/amarok [ i think amarok might do ipods too ] support much more than moving music on/off em |
| 18:24.08 | sarixe | yes, they do |
| 18:24.08 | sarixe | but |
| 18:24.20 | sarixe | they're not recognizing the presence of an ipod |
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| 18:24.38 | sarixe | what's happening is that it's connecting |
| 18:24.50 | sarixe | and it's showing up in gnome as a USB storage device |
| 18:24.56 | sarixe | and i can see all the raw files |
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| 18:25.13 | sarixe | and i can't get amarok or gtkpod to actually connect |
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| 18:25.59 | Drevay | hi guys, i have a .deb package and i'm wondering on how to install it |
| 18:26.14 | sarixe | dpkg -i <package file name> |
| 18:26.25 | sarixe | eh... |
| 18:26.26 | sarixe | yeah |
| 18:29.02 | Dark-Fx | dpkg -r <package file name> |
| 18:29.19 | sarixe | hahaha |
| 18:29.43 | Dark-Fx | I need to lose weight, thanks dpkg |
| 18:29.46 | Drevay | i'm trying to get gtk-gnutella installed but i'm having trouble |
| 18:29.56 | sarixe | whoever maintains dpkg (the irc bot) is a genius. |
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| 18:31.49 | ket-warrior | anyone know anything about getting a barcode scanner working on debian? What languages could you use to integrate one? |
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| 18:32.49 | Drevay | ok, how about this - how come i can't find gtk-gnutella in Synaptic? |
| 18:32.50 | en1gma | sup all |
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| 18:33.33 | sarixe | Drevay : frostwire |
| 18:33.39 | itchi | Hi, how can i remotely see which webserver and os a website use? |
| 18:33.51 | pickcoder | ket-warrior: most of them are keyboard wedges |
| 18:33.56 | cast | itchi: man nmap helps sometimes |
| 18:34.02 | pickcoder | or they implement HID |
| 18:34.03 | Drevay | frostwire, ok |
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| 18:34.14 | cast | itchi: other times the webserver might tell you |
| 18:34.17 | en1gma | im getting the debian netinstall 4.0r1 and am just going to to do a base install.....i want to be able to configure that box remotely with a web-admin app...i think read there is ipcop or webmin that i might grab...if i grab those packages will there be anything else that i need to get to make em work |
| 18:34.23 | cahoot | netcraft? |
| 18:34.32 | ket-warrior | pickcoder: whats a keyboard wedge? |
| 18:34.37 | itchi | cast: I thought it was somethings with curl, but i not find some info about it in the docs. I gona look with nmap |
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| 18:35.06 | Drevay | sarixe, can't find that either |
| 18:35.14 | sarixe | hm |
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| 18:35.22 | cast | itchi: sometimes the error pages list the webserver, i've noticed |
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| 18:35.35 | en1gma | im getting putty also for this windows box....does the netinstall base install include ssh |
| 18:35.36 | mcgreg | hi, is there a problem if I want to install windows after installing windows? |
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| 18:35.46 | abrotman | other than windows will overwrite your bootloader .. no |
| 18:35.50 | mcgreg | sorry |
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| 18:35.56 | mcgreg | hi, is there a problem if I want to install windows after installing debian-linux |
| 18:36.01 | linuxtk10 | anyone here know anything about remote consoles ? |
| 18:36.02 | abrotman | other than windows will overwrite your bootloader .. no |
| 18:36.07 | adv4cate | echo... |
| 18:36.11 | itchi | cast: Tell me how i can get that webserver crashed :-p |
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| 18:36.35 | linuxtk10 | also where that debian kernel image that installs debian ? |
| 18:36.43 | linuxtk10 | called like netboot or netinstall or something |
| 18:37.05 | fastputty | how can i kill all application use by a user logged in my system&? |
| 18:37.11 | petemc | slay |
| 18:37.42 | linuxtk10 | anyone :P |
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| 18:38.11 | itchi | cast: nmap seems good for this too, nice! :-) |
| 18:38.40 | petemc | linuxtk10: debian.org, its linked from the front page |
| 18:38.50 | mcgreg | abrotman: I suppose you answered me? what does it mean it will overwrite my bootloader? I have partitioned the harddisk already and would like to install windows to (/dev/sda9) .. will windows kil the boot-block, or anything like that, that will nmake booting debian impossible (kill grub)? (sry might be dumb question but I am a nooby in that case) |
| 18:38.51 | cast | fastputty: pkill -u |
| 18:38.55 | abrotman | and there's a Serial Console howto somewhere |
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| 18:39.22 | abrotman | mcgreg: windows will overwrite your bootloader .. you'll need a rescue disk of some sort to get back into linux to fix that |
| 18:39.44 | adv4cate | tldp.org |
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| 18:40.25 | lindenle | is there a good program for adding comments to pdfs like acrobat can? |
| 18:41.23 | linuxtk10 | petemc: yea i should have checked for that in the beginning i was looking for a netboot where it will install over a network not a network install CD but yea its there as well, thanks |
| 18:41.27 | eide | lindenle acrobat exists for linux, but it is probably a hassle |
| 18:41.40 | linuxtk10 | now anyone else here ever use a remote console ? |
| 18:41.42 | mcgreg | abrotman: something like .. -> bootiong a live-cd, chroot to my debian-installation, and reinstall grub, would this be enough? I suppose windows will NOT destroy the existing partition table, will it? |
| 18:41.45 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:42.06 | eide | lindenle: okay, I misinterpreted your question |
| 18:42.34 | lindenle | eide: basically I have a pdf someone added comments to and i want to be able to see them but it only works in acrobat |
| 18:42.44 | abrotman | mcgreg: roughly .. yes |
| 18:42.54 | Cratos | How do I configure Debian 4.0 to make a nic to come up "ifconfig eth0 up" but not bind any protocol to it? |
| 18:42.56 | abrotman | linuxtk10: see the Serial Console HOWTO |
| 18:42.56 | eide | lindenle: I tried editing PDF some time ago, but was unsuccessful. I had to pirate a windows program and run it in a VM. It's called Proprietary Document Format for a reason |
| 18:43.13 | lindenle | eide: yep i know...sucks that it is so widely used |
| 18:43.24 | eide | lindenle: agree |
| 18:43.40 | enouf | itchi: i'm using links2-g as web browser, and i can easily see/ask for http header info, ContentType, codepage etc is shown, as well as Server type |
| 18:44.12 | enouf | itchi: i'm sure lynx, w3m, wget, curl, etc, etc can also easily get the info |
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| 18:44.25 | Drevay | yay, found frostwire, just need the JRE now :) |
| 18:44.26 | lindenle | eide: I would be happier if adobe had a full acrobat for linux at least, they just don't take my emails seriously ;) |
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| 18:44.49 | abrotman | !tell Drevay about install java |
| 18:44.57 | linuxtk10 | anyone about remote consoles |
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| 18:47.26 | cast | linuxtk10: would be better to write a free tool me feels |
| 18:47.47 | abrotman | linuxtk10: i already told you |
| 18:48.29 | linuxtk10 | abrotman: you did ? |
| 18:48.36 | linuxtk10 | i need a ethernet/network remote console |
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| 18:49.09 | evri2 | can anyone help me?I want to compile mplayer from svn with alsa and xv supoort.I downloaded xv and alsa dev packages.I want to ask only one question.Do i have to pass a command to activate alsa and xv while compiling? |
| 18:49.42 | Zordon | evri2: Use ./configure --help |
| 18:49.55 | Zordon | evri2: That will list you options |
| 18:50.18 | Drevay | i'm trying to install the JRE but it keeps saying permission denied, even after i'm already in super user mode |
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| 18:50.37 | Bogus8 | why would it be that in windows I don't get "save password" option when mapping a network drive to my debian samba but I do to my old FC3 box? |
| 18:50.50 | evri2 | Zordon: thank you |
| 18:51.01 | Zordon | evri2: No welcome |
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| 18:51.10 | xjkx | whats the recommended filesystem to the partition /home ? |
| 18:51.25 | Bogus8 | xjkx: ext3 |
| 18:51.35 | adv4cate | no way. ext2 |
| 18:51.57 | Bogus8 | and why would that be? |
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| 18:52.18 | adv4cate | because it has a 2 |
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| 18:52.33 | evri2 | Zordon: --enable-xv enable Xv video output [autodetect] i think it will be autodetected |
| 18:52.35 | bjorkimacg3 | gnome SUCKS |
| 18:52.35 | Bogus8 | Ah, well xjkx, listen to him |
| 18:52.41 | bjorkimacg3 | why is it installed by default? |
| 18:52.49 | Ronin | bjorkimacg3: because they had to pick one? |
| 18:52.59 | bjorkimacg3 | i'm gonna get rid of it. |
| 18:53.01 | Bogus8 | bjorkimacg3: because apparently someone else thinks KDE sucks ;) |
| 18:53.05 | Ronin | bjorkimacg3: and nothings stopping you from removing it |
| 18:53.25 | xjkx | LoL :D |
| 18:53.27 | bjorkimacg3 | the screen saver doesn't even work. i had to install xscreensaver. |
| 18:53.36 | pike_ | xjkx: xfs with redundant battery backups |
| 18:53.38 | Bogus8 | works for me |
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| 18:54.50 | linuxtk10 | abrotman: anyting :P |
| 18:55.01 | abrotman | so you want kvm over ethernet? |
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| 18:55.43 | Elive_user25 | is anyone familiar with super_grub_disk ? |
| 18:56.12 | abrotman | ask #elive |
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| 18:57.03 | larsl | Is there any way to connect to a wireless network without having the normal network connection stop working? |
| 18:57.05 | larsl | If I just do 'dhclient wlan0 |
| 18:57.09 | Elive_user25 | why ask elive, when it isnt elive specific? I am trying to restore grub. |
| 18:57.15 | larsl | If I just do 'dhclient wlan0', my internet connection won't work again until I unload the kernel module for the wireless card (iwl4965). |
| 18:57.20 | linuxtk10 | abrotman: KVM ? |
| 18:57.21 | linuxtk10 | sorry |
| 18:57.26 | linuxtk10 | sint that a virtulization thing ? |
| 18:57.31 | abrotman | Elive_user25: then ask #grub |
| 18:57.35 | Zordon | evri2: yea |
| 18:58.10 | vn_ | kvm is a kind of monitormousekb switch |
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| 18:58.15 | ttuttle | I'm having a *really* strange problem. |
| 18:58.20 | vn_ | damn slash that never works |
| 18:58.39 | ttuttle | I'm in Firefox, and I'm looking at Digg, and the line that says "Sick of your office" shows with the c underneath the i. |
| 18:58.57 | abrotman | FF rendered something incorrectly?! |
| 18:59.08 | ttuttle | abrotman: Yeah, I've never seen it do that in particular. |
| 18:59.10 | cast | does zip store any file metadata such as owner or creation times..etc? |
| 18:59.14 | ttuttle | abrotman: And on the article page too, it does that. |
| 18:59.14 | abrotman | ttuttle: are you serious? |
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| 18:59.45 | ttuttle | abrotman: It's just a very odd mistake. It misaligned text horizontally by an entire character within a line. |
| 19:00.03 | ttuttle | abrotman: It basically looks as if someone typed "Offi^Hce" on a terminal without backspace. |
| 19:00.03 | abrotman | does epiphany do it ? |
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| 19:00.13 | ttuttle | abrotman: Lemme check. |
| 19:00.28 | ttuttle | No. |
| 19:00.41 | psyche_ | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no |
| 19:00.42 | psyche_ | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables. |
| 19:00.46 | psyche_ | whats the problem? |
| 19:00.49 | psyche_ | i have gcc installed |
| 19:00.53 | abrotman | !b-e psyche_ |
| 19:00.53 | dpkg | psyche_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 19:01.21 | ttuttle | abrotman: Should I try Seamonkey (the Mozilla suite)? |
| 19:01.24 | larsl | How can I tell dhclient to append nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf instead of replacing the old ones? |
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| 19:02.04 | abrotman | ttuttle: dunno .. i use epiphany a lot more than either iceape or iceweasel |
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| 19:02.50 | ttuttle | Hmm, Mozilla does it too. |
| 19:02.51 | simonrvn | abrotman: ! |
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| 19:03.15 | abrotman | simonrvn: ? |
| 19:03.19 | ttuttle | Is there any good desktop calendaring program for Debian other than Evolution? |
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| 19:03.27 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: % |
| 19:03.39 | simonrvn | you using epiphany, mildly surprised me, that's all ;p |
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| 19:03.50 | linuxtk10 | anyone here use lilo ? |
| 19:03.53 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: @ |
| 19:03.55 | abrotman | simonrvn: well .. you mean besides using opera ? |
| 19:03.58 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 19:03.58 | SerajewelKS | !tell linuxtk10 about poll |
| 19:03.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:04.02 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh |
| 19:04.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: i use them both |
| 19:04.13 | mbroeker | ttuttle, maybe install a groupware suite on your pc. or use googlemail/calender/web2.0 stuff |
| 19:04.18 | linuxtk10 | ok |
| 19:04.26 | SerajewelKS | i use iceweasel primarily since epiphany isn't configurable enough for my taste |
| 19:04.38 | SerajewelKS | plus since i develop, firebug and web developer are really nice |
| 19:04.41 | linuxtk10 | how can i mmake lilo boot a certain kernel just once then on the next boot a different kernel ? |
| 19:04.56 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: even using about:config or gconf-editor :/ |
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| 19:05.08 | dkr | linuxtk10: grub-set-default |
| 19:05.19 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: eh, sometimes a list of choices is nice |
| 19:05.28 | SerajewelKS | dkr: he said lilo |
| 19:05.37 | abrotman | linuxtk10: man lilo |
| 19:05.44 | abrotman | and i *know* it's in there |
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| 19:06.14 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: that's hat i meant, even using those sometimes youdon't get access |
| 19:06.17 | adv4cate | like spaghetti sauce |
| 19:06.20 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: what |
| 19:06.34 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i know but the stuff i configure most of the time is |
| 19:06.52 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i only need to use about:config when doing really weird things |
| 19:06.53 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 19:06.59 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: yeh |
| 19:07.05 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: but i'm weird =) |
| 19:07.10 | roxy_ | What does mean: "libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" ? |
| 19:07.13 | SerajewelKS | hey to each his own |
| 19:07.16 | larsl | What is it that determines which network interface to use when there are several of them available? |
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| 19:07.20 | SerajewelKS | i wrote my own web browser in C# for wikipedia... |
| 19:07.21 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: :D |
| 19:07.30 | abrotman | roxy_: you're a dwarf .. not an elf |
| 19:07.33 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: whoah, neat |
| 19:07.38 | SerajewelKS | using gecko of course, but still... iceweasel wasn't good enough |
| 19:07.39 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 19:07.48 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: http://sirajul.tx0.org/wikibench-rc.png |
| 19:07.57 | juso | Could anyone recommend an outsource dns company, that i could use, so quickly update low ttl records, to failover between my two servers? |
| 19:08.02 | adv4cate | larsl; default route, afaik |
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| 19:08.12 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: that's what i thought about epiphany .. but there are a large nubmer of add-ons that make it almost as usable as opera |
| 19:08.34 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the only thing i like about epiphany is the startup time |
| 19:08.36 | larsl | adv4cate: Where is that set? |
| 19:08.42 | adv4cate | larsl: some daemons can be configured to listen only on certain interfaces |
| 19:08.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: but now that i'm on amd64 there isn't much difference :) |
| 19:09.04 | adv4cate | larsl: a combination of /etc/network and information retrieved from dhcp (if applicable) |
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| 19:09.12 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: wow, that's fucking cool |
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| 19:09.36 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: when i get around to making a release it will be GPL |
| 19:09.42 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: and thanks :) |
| 19:09.47 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i like it a lot for RC patrol |
| 19:09.53 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: now i see why you wanted custom. you get to have those entry options |
| 19:10.10 | larsl | adv4cate: So if I have eth1 up and running, and then does 'dhclient wlan0' and gets an IP from a wireless access point, and internet stops working, is it reasonable to assume that dhclient changes the default route to use wlan0 and the access point doesn't provide internet access? |
| 19:10.21 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: also it's hard to maintain a connection to IRC with javascript :) |
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| 19:10.52 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: from what i know about it, i think it would |
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| 19:11.24 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: but the program and gecko integrate very well. the JS and C# layers can talk to each other. i won't tell you how that happens since it's a kludge, but it requires no unmanaged libraries. you just need gtk# and gecko#. |
| 19:11.37 | simonrvn | abrotman: does opera have anything like about:config? |
| 19:11.56 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: neat |
| 19:12.05 | NiLon | what's the difference between packet* and packet{p} when removing those? |
| 19:12.05 | adv4cate | larsl: that's a theory that should be checked by manually inspecting route |
| 19:12.12 | abrotman | simonrvn: prefs.js ? maybe? dunno .. i don't dig around in there .. the preferences dialog has what i need |
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| 19:12.48 | exes | just copied over partitions to a new drive, need to install grub on the new drive without booting to the old one - any ideas? |
| 19:13.04 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i just don't see building such a tightly-integrated application in javascript. and did i mention that it's made up of addins that can depend on each other and consume the functionality of other addins? |
| 19:13.07 | cast | livecd exes |
| 19:13.09 | simonrvn | i wish there were a way to clear out extraneous pixmap data from the x server .... |
| 19:13.33 | exes | cast: knoppix? not my debian install CD? |
| 19:14.02 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: one addin provides a stream of Change objects that the recent changes pad consumes, for example |
| 19:14.03 | larsl | adv4cate: I'm a complete networking idiot... where do I check the default route? |
| 19:14.04 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 19:14.04 | dpkg | methinks rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 19:14.15 | exes | thanks |
| 19:14.17 | SerajewelKS | larsl: route -n |
| 19:14.42 | adv4cate | larsl: look in both -F and -C. `man route` |
| 19:14.48 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: it's real cool :). sounds like you're proud of your "baby" |
| 19:15.02 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i am very proud of it :) |
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| 19:15.09 | cast | exes: whatever you want that has the grub tools |
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| 19:16.35 | larsl | adv4cate, SerajewelKS: Thanks, I'll experiment with that. |
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| 19:16.45 | Suara | is there any way for add a new disk (file image) to an existing qemu-image, as it was another disk ? |
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| 19:17.47 | kos_tom | after upgrading from sarge to etch, when trying to install libapache2-svn using aptitude, I get: "No candidate version found for libapache2-svn" |
| 19:17.50 | kos_tom | what does that mean ? |
| 19:17.58 | adv4cate | something about 'www.gnu.org' is trashing Sid's iceweasel |
| 19:18.19 | abrotman | kos_tom: it's there .. show us your soruces |
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| 19:19.29 | adv4cate | send iceweasel to http://www.gnu.org ... :\ |
| 19:20.17 | cast | i don't get it, and what am i looking for? |
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| 19:20.28 | cast | oh, sid. etch here. nvm :) |
| 19:21.26 | enouf | works just fine in links2 :-P |
| 19:21.46 | jthomas | adv4cate: what happens to iceweasle at that address? |
| 19:21.59 | adv4cate | jthomas: Sid's iceweasel gives up the ghost |
| 19:22.20 | enouf | (whereas any MS kb artcle freezes it up like a deer in the lights) |
| 19:22.23 | jthomas | do you think its intentional? |
| 19:22.41 | jthomas | like, a licensing spat that they made it this way?? |
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| 19:22.59 | jthomas | really, MS KBs don't load either? whats the deal with iceweasle?? |
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| 19:23.29 | cast | you scumbag of a gtar. --exclude-caches ... then archives the entire dir with CACHEDIR.TAG in it. this trying to exclude with tar just isn't going well for me |
| 19:23.32 | jthomas | ah but this is Sid, at least its not the default iceweasle after etch install |
| 19:23.54 | clausen | Anybody who knows why I can get sound off on channel but not the rest on my Haupauge TV Tuner card using the saa7134 and saa7134-alsa driver ? |
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| 19:24.55 | enouf | jthomas: i'm referring to links2 |
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| 19:25.25 | rootmos | how do i install svn? i can not seem to find just the svn command somwhere i tried to install svn-workbench and svn-load but no luck. |
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| 19:27.27 | cast | rootmos: install subversion |
| 19:27.55 | kos_tom | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/673876 |
| 19:28.05 | cast | rootmos: in future try something like apt-file search bin/svn to help find the pkg name |
| 19:28.11 | enouf | rootmos: i've used rapidsvn (gtk) |
| 19:28.25 | rootmos | cast: amazing how simple it was... thanks =) |
| 19:28.33 | enouf | !tell rootmos -about search |
| 19:28.46 | fastputty | rootmos: apt-get install subversion |
| 19:29.28 | linuxtk10 | anyone here knoe anything about network remote consoles ? |
| 19:29.38 | enouf | hehe |
| 19:29.44 | fastputty | what is the command to know how many memoery does our server has left |
| 19:29.48 | azeem | linuxtk10: ask specific questions, and you might get answers |
| 19:29.56 | cast | fastputty: free -m, or run top |
| 19:29.58 | linuxtk10 | free -m fastputty |
| 19:30.03 | linuxtk10 | or ps aux |
| 19:30.13 | cast | woops. wrong person :> |
| 19:30.18 | enouf | tldp.org remote consoles (as you've already been told, a few times now) |
| 19:30.50 | kos_tom | abrotman: we were running sarge with backports.org enabled, and there was a libapache2-svn package at backports.org for sarge. It probably explains the problem. |
| 19:30.50 | linuxtk10 | enouf: me ? |
| 19:30.57 | enouf | linuxtk10: yes, you |
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| 19:31.11 | linuxtk10 | lol |
| 19:31.18 | linuxtk10 | f* you i didnt see nothing |
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| 19:31.26 | linuxtk10 | and i ve been searhcing google for a while |
| 19:31.31 | enouf | ok, it's my fault |
| 19:31.44 | linuxtk10 | it is |
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| 19:31.57 | fastputty | i mean space in the harddrive |
| 19:31.57 | enouf | linuxtk10: seen the new gyrocopters? |
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| 19:32.10 | dkr | what is f*? |
| 19:32.11 | linuxtk10 | lol |
| 19:32.12 | enouf | fastputty: df |
| 19:32.16 | linuxtk10 | enouf: almost |
| 19:32.35 | abrotman | kos_tom: so you can't install libapache2-svn at all ? |
| 19:32.41 | enouf | linuxtk10: aeronautix.de |
| 19:33.16 | kos_tom | abrotman: no, fails with "No candidate version found for libapache2-svn" |
| 19:33.27 | abrotman | kos_tom: apt-cache policy libapache2-svn |
| 19:33.33 | abrotman | kos_tom: paste that |
| 19:33.36 | abrotman | !paste |
| 19:33.36 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 19:34.05 | linuxtk10 | enouf: yea i saw those .......also whats on tldp.org ? ilooks like a bunch of how to's hmm |
| 19:34.09 | pablo__ | hello, does anyone else have problems with driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run? |
| 19:34.10 | kos_tom | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/dDnrxu74.html |
| 19:34.20 | enouf | !tldp |
| 19:34.20 | dpkg | [tldp] The Linux Documentation Project at http://www.tldp.org |
| 19:34.27 | enouf | er yep ;-) |
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| 19:34.35 | abrotman | kos_tom: you're pinning |
| 19:35.04 | kos_tom | abrotman: aah, right. |
| 19:35.13 | kos_tom | abrotman: /etc/apt/preferences contains stuff about it. |
| 19:35.19 | linuxtk10 | hmmm |
| 19:35.19 | enouf | linuxtk10: i need a pizza |
| 19:35.29 | linuxtk10 | looks like ethercons is really good for freebsd |
| 19:35.35 | kos_tom | abrotman: thanks a lot |
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| 19:36.07 | abrotman | eh? |
| 19:36.08 | simonrvn | azeem: spamming? |
| 19:36.13 | azeem | yep |
| 19:36.28 | simonrvn | !azeem++ |
| 19:36.34 | abrotman | kos_tom: might need to take that out |
| 19:36.44 | kos_tom | abrotman: I did, and it now works. |
| 19:36.49 | abrotman | ok |
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| 19:37.01 | linuxtk10 | im going crazy i cant fins a ethernet / remote network console for anything but freebsd n crap man i know these things exist |
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| 19:37.11 | linuxtk10 | maybe i m searching bad ? |
| 19:37.14 | JunK-Y | which init will disabled the GUI on bootup? 5 ? |
| 19:37.35 | simonrvn | JunK-Y: none |
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| 19:37.42 | abrotman | !tell JunK-Y about nodm |
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| 19:38.26 | enouf | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/text/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO |
| 19:38.44 | linuxtk10 | http://okvm.sourceforge.net/kvmoverip.html |
| 19:38.47 | linuxtk10 | is htis it as well ? |
| 19:39.25 | JunK-Y | that will delete this, no? |
| 19:39.57 | linuxtk10 | enouf: that looks pretty outdated hmm |
| 19:40.08 | linuxtk10 | enouf: i guess guess the term for a thing is called a kvm << |
| 19:40.17 | linuxtk10 | i thought kvm was a virtulization software |
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| 19:41.21 | enouf | linuxtk10: kvm is a Kernel Virtual Machine nowadays - Yesteryear; it meant Keyboard +Video +Mouse |
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| 19:41.58 | cast | uhuh. tar --exclude-caches-all will not work in combination with -g |
| 19:41.59 | enouf | linuxtk10: next time google define:KVM |
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| 19:42.25 | linuxtk10 | enouf: ah |
| 19:42.51 | enouf | linuxtk10: you and wikipedia have a date |
| 19:43.04 | zmainframe | OK, fixed my module loading problem, but I think I have a screwed up /etc/modprobe.d When I start X, my system freezes now. |
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| 19:44.01 | linuxtk10 | enouf: yea im looking for the software way you know ? where the kernel handles the remote console n stuff .....without having to install pci cards |
| 19:44.16 | linuxtk10 | its a kernel driver |
| 19:44.16 | zmainframe | I know the radeonfb driver was loading before, but I got that to stop, and now I am able to get the radeon driver with drm to load |
| 19:44.17 | linuxtk10 | hmm |
| 19:44.24 | enouf | linuxtk10: if i can guess at what you mentioned earlier, maybe debootstrap is for you http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debootstrap - and do /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 19:44.39 | enouf | huh? |
| 19:45.07 | linuxtk10 | enouf: how would debootstrap have anything to do with a remote ehternet console ;) |
| 19:45.33 | zmainframe | After I start X, my box freezes and I don't see any output in /var/log/ |
| 19:45.35 | enouf | linuxtk10: if you don't know, maybe it's not for you ;-) |
| 19:45.46 | linuxtk10 | enouf: http://kerneltrap.org/node/1034 |
| 19:45.54 | linuxtk10 | im looking for the linux equiv of that |
| 19:46.00 | linuxtk10 | i knwo they exist and alot of them |
| 19:46.14 | enouf | linuxtk10: that's a linux site |
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| 19:46.30 | Sayers | Hello I installed the server apache and all the other things. Where would I acess the ftp ? Or is there a debian server guide ? |
| 19:46.40 | linuxtk10 | enouf: read it ;) |
| 19:46.59 | enouf | linuxtk10: looks dated and old and decrepid, no thanks |
| 19:47.28 | linuxtk10 | what ? |
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| 19:47.54 | linuxtk10 | its from 03 but all im saying is i need that for linux ....btw thats a freebsd article |
| 19:48.05 | simonrvn | Sayers: apache doesn't do ftp, it does http |
| 19:48.21 | cast | Sayers: go look at vsftpd |
| 19:48.22 | Sayers | Yes. I isntalled the file server aswell |
| 19:48.33 | Sayers | I set it up for just the LAN |
| 19:49.33 | linuxtk10 | enouf: dammit i cant find this and i know this damn thing exist damn |
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| 19:50.25 | fastputty | how to i get the total space and used space of my hardrive |
| 19:50.32 | cast | df -h |
| 19:50.39 | fastputty | th |
| 19:50.41 | fastputty | thanks |
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| 19:51.26 | cast | rsync and dovecot DSAs |
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| 19:54.13 | zmainframe | OK, fixed it!!! |
| 19:54.35 | zmainframe | Was this the AGPFASTWRITE option set to 2 on my xorg.conf |
| 19:54.38 | zmainframe | cool |
| 19:55.12 | Sayers | With apache how do I control it. |
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| 19:55.59 | scrip | how can view data about an ssl certificate file? |
| 19:56.36 | dkr | scrip: the openssl command has some option to print the data fields. I don't recall them |
| 19:56.38 | pablo__ | hello, does anyone else have problems with driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run? |
| 19:56.48 | scrip | dkr: thanks, I'll rtfm |
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| 20:00.04 | darkie33 | hi |
| 20:00.41 | darkie33 | whenever i try to install kdevelop i am getting unmet dependencies. How do i resolve that? |
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| 20:00.56 | simonrvn | use aptitude |
| 20:01.01 | PerfDave | darkie33: How are you trying to install kdevelop? Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 20:01.43 | shad0w1e | hey you guys.... I've got a powerful server running SuSE and VMware. Can I install a 64bit of debian into a VM ? |
| 20:01.56 | jamonation_ | is the server 64bit? |
| 20:02.03 | shad0w1e | yes, but not the current OS |
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| 20:02.15 | jamonation_ | then you need to use a 32bit vm |
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| 20:02.33 | PerfDave | shad0w1e: You can certainly run Debian in VMWare, as to whether you can run a 64-bit distro on a 32-bit host... ask VMWare. |
| 20:02.33 | shad0w1e | ahh you cant install a 64bit OS into a VM under a 32bit os? :( |
| 20:02.35 | darkie33 | PerfDave: i am using apt. apt-get install kdevelop. |
| 20:02.35 | ciga | hi |
| 20:02.55 | PerfDave | shad0w1e: You might be able to do it with a 64-bit kernel on your 32-bit SuSE install |
| 20:02.56 | shad0w1e | also, whats the difference between the IA64 version and the AMD64 version? |
| 20:03.18 | PerfDave | shad0w1e: ia64 and amd64 are different instruction sets. IA64 is for Itaniums. |
| 20:03.20 | shad0w1e | the point is i want to test this out and if i like it, swap it into the main partition |
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| 20:03.29 | jamonation | shad0w1e: PerfDave is right, that's doable, in fact, a 32bit userspace is a good option sometimes |
| 20:03.46 | shad0w1e | i can really install a 64bit kernel into a 32bit os? |
| 20:03.50 | PerfDave | shad0w1e: Yes |
| 20:03.55 | PerfDave | Well, you can with Debian ;) |
| 20:03.55 | shad0w1e | SWEET |
| 20:03.59 | shad0w1e | this is suse |
| 20:04.00 | PerfDave | darkie33: What version of Debian are you using? |
| 20:04.01 | jamonation | the os isn't 32bit if the kernel is 64 ;) |
| 20:04.08 | shad0w1e | im looking to ditch it but i need to move one step at a time |
| 20:04.13 | shad0w1e | well all the apps on it are |
| 20:04.13 | darkie33 | PerfDave:sarge |
| 20:04.17 | PerfDave | jamonation: You can have a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userspace |
| 20:04.19 | jamonation | that's userspace, not the os |
| 20:04.22 | gopss | Hello |
| 20:04.24 | shad0w1e | ahh userspace |
| 20:04.33 | PerfDave | jamonation: What is the "OS"? The kernel, userspace or both? :) |
| 20:04.34 | shad0w1e | ok, so I have a dual xeon 3.4ghz with 6gb of ram |
| 20:04.38 | gopss | good |
| 20:04.52 | shad0w1e | 2 processors, 2 cores on each |
| 20:04.57 | PerfDave | shad0w1e: If you want to play with Debian, why not just play with the 32-bit version |
| 20:04.59 | ciga | I am trying to find a way how to exclude some directires when running the find command. I know I should use -prune. It works for one dir, but how to add more dirs to the list? |
| 20:05.01 | shad0w1e | I think it's Pentium-D base |
| 20:05.11 | shad0w1e | PerfDave, I've played with Debian in the past and I like it. |
| 20:05.21 | shad0w1e | I want to more-like see if all our stuff works with it |
| 20:05.30 | PerfDave | darkie33: Please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 20:05.53 | shad0w1e | so with my processor, I use the AMD64 or the IA64? |
| 20:06.03 | simonrvn | former |
| 20:06.07 | shad0w1e | ahh |
| 20:06.21 | shad0w1e | so basically IA64 kernel is for the two Itanium machines out there :) |
| 20:06.25 | PerfDave | shad0w1e: If your Xeon is 64-bit capable (some aren't, can never remember which) then you want amd64 |
| 20:06.27 | shad0w1e | thanks people |
| 20:06.33 | jamonation | enjoy |
| 20:06.37 | simonrvn | shad0w1e: yup |
| 20:06.47 | shad0w1e | flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx lm constant_tsc pni monitor ds_cpl est cid cx16 xtpr |
| 20:07.02 | shad0w1e | hmm is amd64 supposed to be listed there? |
| 20:07.05 | simonrvn | looks amd64-ish to me |
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| 20:07.23 | PerfDave | shad0w1e: amd64 isn't a cpuflag. There is a cpuflag or combination thereof which indicates amd64 but again I can never remember ;) |
| 20:07.30 | shad0w1e | ahh lolz |
| 20:07.36 | shad0w1e | can I tell anywhere in /proc/cpuinfo ? |
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| 20:09.18 | PerfDave | Hmm, I'm *sure* the name amd64 came before x86-64 |
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| 20:11.02 | shad0w1e | hah AMD always has it to Intel with that one! |
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| 20:12.36 | shad0w1e | yuck i wish there was some easy way to tell if my cpu is 64 |
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| 20:13.34 | jamonation | shad0w1e: http://www.intel.com/products/processor |
| 20:13.36 | jamonation | ;) |
| 20:13.50 | ciga | anyone can help me with my question on find? |
| 20:14.29 | dkr | nope. because you didn't ask it |
| 20:14.45 | jamonation | ciga: are you using multiple -prunes or just one with all the directories listed after it? |
| 20:14.46 | shad0w1e | lol |
| 20:14.52 | shad0w1e | never ask to ask. just ask. |
| 20:14.54 | chemist | i keep getting this message when I run alsaconf; amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
| 20:14.57 | jamonation | he already did ask |
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| 20:15.03 | ciga | I am trying to find a way how to exclude some directories when running the find command. I know I should use -prune. It works for one dir, but how to add more dirs to the list? |
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| 20:15.06 | ciga | there you go. |
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| 20:15.37 | jamonation | ciga: -prune -prune -prune, try using one for each directory |
| 20:15.44 | jamonation | gets tedious but should work |
| 20:15.59 | bdheeman | dpkg: dfsg |
| 20:15.59 | dpkg | well, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 20:16.42 | shad0w1e | xeons are impossible to identify... damn |
| 20:17.00 | abrotman | shad0w1e: google for a cpuflags reference |
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| 20:17.14 | shad0w1e | ah |
| 20:17.38 | chemist | card is a cmpci |
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| 20:18.05 | ket-warrior | !chroot |
| 20:18.06 | dpkg | well, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 20:18.33 | explody | is anyone else running unstable getting a lot of segfaults? gsb is howine the sigsegvs in firefox and evolution are happening inside libxml2. |
| 20:18.33 | jamonation | chemist: can you run alsamixer? |
| 20:18.40 | chemist | no |
| 20:18.43 | explody | s/howine/showing/ |
| 20:18.51 | jamonation | your user is in the audio group? |
| 20:18.59 | shad0w1e | I use chroot all the time, but sometimes you need to make some mount --bind 's first, for /proc /sys, and /dev, depending on what you are doing |
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| 20:19.04 | explody | just curious if it's me or if there is really a problem |
| 20:19.11 | abrotman | explody: bts ? |
| 20:19.13 | chemist | jamonation: i get this: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 20:19.31 | chemist | i am in the audio group |
| 20:20.01 | jamonation | cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 20:20.12 | explody | abrotman: sure, one sec |
| 20:20.12 | jamonation | (pastebin) |
| 20:20.13 | ciga | jamonation: thx, trying |
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| 20:20.55 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am having trouble in creating raid devices. i had a disk with 9 partitions. i repartitioned the disk to have 10 parititions. when i run mdadm -C /dev/md10 /dev/sda10 /dev/sdb10 -l1 -n2 i get the errormdadm: error opening /dev/md10: No such file or directory. i would appreciate some help on this |
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| 20:22.01 | gunjah | #backup |
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| 20:22.54 | chemist | jamonation: http://pastebin.ca/673936 |
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| 20:23.57 | jelly | shad0w1e: tried x86info or cpuid yet? |
| 20:24.10 | shad0w1e | is this on linux? |
| 20:24.34 | jelly | shad0w1e: yes |
| 20:24.58 | ket-warrior | Im am trying to set up a chroot but am getting this error. $chroot /chroot |
| 20:24.59 | ket-warrior | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 20:25.06 | Shinkai | DCC CHAT C:\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ |
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| 20:25.49 | shad0w1e | building x86info...... |
| 20:25.51 | jelly | shad0w1e: git-clone git://git.choralone.org/git/x86info; cd x86info; make; sudo modprobe cpuid; sudo modprobe msr; sudo ./x86info |
| 20:26.13 | jelly | shad0w1e: ... ah, you got the general idea already |
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| 20:26.25 | shad0w1e | its a pain.... but whatever |
| 20:26.41 | ricky | alex__ DustyDingo lakcaj: Consider connecting to Freenode with a non-6667 port. |
| 20:26.44 | Eulex | !ops Shinkai exploiting dcc exploit |
| 20:26.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: eulex complains about: Shinkai exploiting dcc exploit |
| 20:26.47 | thelostbutler | ket-warrior:if i am not wrong you, you should verify if /chroot/bin/bash exists |
| 20:26.55 | ricky | Otherwise, you are vulnerable to D C C exploiting. |
| 20:26.57 | shad0w1e | ok I still dont know what im looking for |
| 20:26.59 | abrotman | ricky: 8001 IIRC |
| 20:27.01 | ricky | Port 8001 works. |
| 20:27.07 | ricky | Heh. |
| 20:27.09 | lakcaj | ricky, thx |
| 20:27.25 | shad0w1e | i dont think x86info gave me anything more than /proc/cpuinfo... |
| 20:27.28 | Eulex | nvm, he left... |
| 20:27.51 | peterS | Eulex: yeah, thanks for the notice, but I don't think there's too much point adding a ban now |
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| 20:28.06 | Eulex | yeah |
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| 20:28.46 | abrotman | Eulex: probably better to tell staff .. though the guy is likely on dhcp |
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| 20:29.53 | shad0w1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.53 | shad0w1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.03 | shad0w1e | how does it look? |
| 20:30.33 | jelly | the first line looks kinda promising, no? |
| 20:31.08 | jelly | I'd try booting the amd64 netinst :-) |
| 20:31.11 | abrotman | wouldn't it be easier to ask #hardware ? |
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| 20:31.21 | shad0w1e | i dont have physical access to the server room :( |
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| 20:31.35 | jelly | physical access is for wimps. |
| 20:31.37 | jamonation | chemist: have you tried as root? what does modinfo show for your card's module? |
| 20:31.40 | shad0w1e | in fact, swapping in a new distro is going to be a pain, but i've done it before |
| 20:31.56 | shad0w1e | last time it was because i didnt have a keyboard, and the only thing that would boot was knoppix |
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| 20:32.09 | shad0w1e | so from there, i built a distro and swapped it in. |
| 20:32.36 | explody | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/673950 |
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| 20:32.44 | shad0w1e | man I gotta quote you on that... "physical access is for wimps", lol! |
| 20:32.47 | explody | abrotman: I'll try to get one on firefox too |
| 20:33.05 | Arwen | I've got a package that refuses to deinstall because of a bad preremove script, what can I do? |
| 20:33.09 | abrotman | explody: i meant .. have you checked the BTS for similar issues ? |
| 20:33.16 | explody | doh haha |
| 20:33.17 | abrotman | Arwen: fix it or have it exit early |
| 20:33.27 | explody | I'm in the processm yes |
| 20:33.31 | abrotman | nice trace thoguh :) |
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| 20:34.22 | explody | I'm hoping it's really a libxml issue, this is a super-new Thinkpad laptop, and I'm worried that there is something sketchy about linux on it |
| 20:34.36 | peterS | Arwen: what abrotman means is, edit the copy in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.prerm to make it succeed, one way or another, then try again |
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| 20:34.44 | explody | but it's good that both firefox and evolution are faulting in the same library at leas |
| 20:34.57 | jamonation | explody: are you running sid on it? |
| 20:35.03 | abrotman | peterS: i was waiting for him to ask how! :) |
| 20:35.07 | peterS | heh |
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| 20:35.17 | explody | lenny/sid yes |
| 20:35.47 | Arwen | peterS, got it. |
| 20:35.56 | ciga | jamonation: http://pastebin.com/d79a4c601, unfortunately none of them works. |
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| 20:37.31 | abrotman | peterS: i was giong to give him the Q&D way to make it exit cleanly .. but he ran away! |
| 20:37.43 | peterS | removing the -e? |
| 20:37.50 | abrotman | exit 0; ? |
| 20:37.57 | shad0w1e | ok thanks guys, i've got what to play with now :) |
| 20:37.59 | peterS | or just blow away the script entirely |
| 20:38.05 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 20:38.17 | peterS | yes, yes I am |
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| 20:38.55 | abrotman | what could go wrong ... |
| 20:39.38 | peterS | is that allowed? to span columns in a single form inside a table? |
| 20:39.45 | peterS | it would seem to violate the concept of nesting |
| 20:39.45 | darkie33 | PerfDave:where can i paste the sources.list file? |
| 20:39.53 | abrotman | peterS: IIRC iti s |
| 20:39.55 | PerfDave | !paste |
| 20:39.55 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:40.11 | peterS | I mean, the nesting of <td> </td> overlaps oddly with the nesting of <form> </form> in that case |
| 20:40.20 | abrotman | peterS: i seriously doubt it would pass the w3c validation .. |
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| 20:40.27 | peterS | unless you put <form> </form> directly inside <tr> </tr>.... |
| 20:40.35 | abrotman | i could do that too! |
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| 20:40.47 | Daun2 | Sorry my english but what pakage do i need to send mail like this one http://pastebin.com/m78d94ab1 |
| 20:40.50 | abrotman | still sounds dirty :) |
| 20:40.57 | peterS | but yeah, the SGML schema for HTML 4.0 or whatever probably does not allow that case |
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| 20:41.09 | abrotman | Daun2: that's php |
| 20:41.11 | darkie33 | PerfDave:http://rafb.net/p/RWWBsT65.html |
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| 20:41.41 | shad0w1e | well... the 64 bit wouldnt boot in the VM :( |
| 20:42.11 | Daun2 | Yes but i can't send mail from my debian server |
| 20:42.25 | shad0w1e | sending is easy, its recv thats the issue |
| 20:42.43 | PerfDave | darkie33: And you're trying to install kdevelop? Have you tried running "apt-get update"? |
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| 20:42.51 | Daun2 | what do i need to install for to send mail |
| 20:42.56 | shad0w1e | postfix |
| 20:43.16 | shad0w1e | and you need to edit main.cf. if you have port 25 blocked, you need to set up a relay server |
| 20:43.31 | PerfDave | darkie33: (once you've fixed your kdevelop problem, you definitely want to enable security upgrades and do an "aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 20:43.46 | darkie33 | PerfDave: yes |
| 20:43.52 | ciga | jamonation: do you have any idea how I should proceed? |
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| 20:44.08 | PerfDave | darkie33: OK, what's the output of "aptitude install kdevelop" |
| 20:44.08 | shad0w1e | by me it's in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 20:44.13 | Daun2 | Yes port 25 is blocked |
| 20:44.18 | darkie33 | PerfDave:infact any package i try to install i get unmet dependencies problem. |
| 20:44.22 | shad0w1e | and I added this: |
| 20:44.50 | PerfDave | darkie33: It might be that your Debian mirror is dodgy. |
| 20:44.52 | shad0w1e | myhostname = optonline.net |
| 20:45.02 | darkie33 | PerfDave: I get a list of packages saying for eg packagex 1.2 >= package2.1 and cannot be installed. |
| 20:45.07 | shad0w1e | relayhost = [mail.optonline.net] |
| 20:45.20 | shad0w1e | becuase I use optimum online for my outgoing mail, they are my service provider. |
| 20:45.25 | PerfDave | darkie33: Please paste the output of the commands "aptitude update" and "aptitude install kdevelop". |
| 20:45.26 | darkie33 | PerfDave: I used netselect-apt to select the mirrors. |
| 20:45.37 | shad0w1e | of course this assumes that you can send mail outgoing, anonymously. otherwise you will need a username/password |
| 20:45.57 | darkie33 | PerfDave: k give me a min. |
| 20:46.28 | Daun2 | I am now at General type of configuratin |
| 20:46.49 | Daun2 | What should i choice |
| 20:47.01 | PerfDave | Daun2: To send mail from your Debian system directly, you need an MTA such as exim or nullmailer |
| 20:47.19 | PerfDave | Daun2: If you're only interested in sending mail to a remote SMTP server, nullmailer might be the easiest option. |
| 20:47.56 | jamonation | ciga: sorry, no idea, I've just seen people use multiple -prunes |
| 20:48.03 | Daun2 | hm shold i not install postfix ? |
| 20:48.25 | PerfDave | Daun2: You could use postfix, you should have Exinm installed by default though |
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| 20:48.29 | ciga | jamonation: okay. thanks anyway. |
| 20:49.38 | Daun2 | I have exim installed but cant send mail only smtp mail |
| 20:51.09 | PerfDave | Daun2: What do you mean "cant send mail only smtp mail"? |
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| 20:52.34 | chemist | jamonation: http://pastebin.ca/673981 |
| 20:52.50 | Daun2 | But if i install postfix the say that whant to remove exim |
| 20:53.01 | chemist | jamonation: I have tried as root, same result |
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| 20:53.53 | PerfDave | Daun2: Yes, you can only have one MTA installed at a time. |
| 20:54.05 | PerfDave | Daun2: It might help if you told us in more detail what you're trying to do. |
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| 20:56.44 | Daun2 | I have this script to send mail http://pastebin.com/m78d94ab1 but it dont send mail.. it dont use smtp |
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| 20:57.35 | darkie33 | PerfDave:http://rafb.net/p/EG4Djc73.html |
| 20:57.43 | darkie33 | that is when i do a install for kdevelop |
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| 20:59.22 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 20:59.32 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 20:59.37 | darkie33 | PerfDave: you there? |
| 21:00.00 | PerfDave | darkie33: Hmm, what does "apt-cache policy kdelibs4c2a" say? |
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| 21:00.38 | abrotman | some X libs are currently messed in testing |
| 21:00.59 | abrotman | Daun2: exim is capable of sending mail to a smart host or as an internet site |
| 21:01.00 | jamonation | chemist: what about permissions in /dev/snd? |
| 21:01.07 | darkie33 | PerfDave: I am not able to install xchat also.. so i have to boot to debian and then get the file. |
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| 21:01.28 | darkie33 | PerfDave: In ksirc.. when i am in the channel it says cannot send msg to the channel. |
| 21:01.30 | abrotman | darkie33: you're on lenny ? |
| 21:01.46 | darkie33 | abrotman: I am on windows now. |
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| 21:01.52 | abrotman | that's useful |
| 21:02.15 | darkie33 | why does kisrc say "cannot send msg to channel"? |
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| 21:02.31 | PerfDave | Daun2: Can you send mail from the command-line using the "mail" command? |
| 21:02.43 | Daun2 | How |
| 21:02.46 | PerfDave | darkie33: Have you changed your sources.list recently? |
| 21:02.59 | PerfDave | Daun2: mail -s Test my@email.address <<< "This is a test" |
| 21:03.09 | PerfDave | Daun2: Then read /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 21:03.09 | darkie33 | PerfDave: Yes i used netselect-apt to do it. |
| 21:03.20 | Daun2 | Okej |
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| 21:03.23 | darkie33 | also i did a apt-get update after that |
| 21:03.30 | chemist | jamonation: they are set to root, I'm guessing that could be the problem? |
| 21:03.33 | PerfDave | darkie33: OK, have you always run Sarge? |
| 21:03.48 | darkie33 | PerfDave: I didn't get you. |
| 21:03.51 | jamonation | chemist: well, try root:audio, see if that helps? |
| 21:04.55 | PerfDave | darkie33: What did your sources.list say before you changed it? |
| 21:05.02 | jamonation | I have no idea when it comes to auido and linux tbh, mine has always just worked |
| 21:05.24 | chemist | jamonation: I dont understand |
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| 21:06.33 | jamonation | chemist: well http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/TroubleShooting says try chmod -R a+rwX /dev/snd |
| 21:06.47 | jamonation | and that that is potentially insecure |
| 21:07.00 | Daun2 | PerfDave http://pastebin.com/mc512c62 |
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| 21:07.09 | xinming | !locale |
| 21:07.09 | dpkg | i heard locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
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| 21:08.14 | PerfDave | Daun2: OK, exim is running but is not configured properly. |
| 21:08.18 | PerfDave | Daun2: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:08.20 | xinming | It seems, the locale information for debian is outdated |
| 21:08.28 | Daun2 | hm listing smtp on 127.0.0.1 i shouldbe smtp.bredband.net |
| 21:09.10 | darkie33 | PerfDave:http://rafb.net/p/trQnnq45.html |
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| 21:10.16 | xinming | I mean the bot. :-) |
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| 21:10.53 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 21:11.09 | jelly | !rfp virtualbox |
| 21:11.11 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.22 | pickcoder | it worked fine on 4 other Etch boxes except this one |
| 21:11.43 | PerfDave | darkie33: OK, you've been installing unstable packages from random IP addresses, it's no wonder your system is screwed up. |
| 21:11.47 | pickcoder | initramfs-tools 0.85h update |
| 21:12.11 | chemist | jamonation: well I tried it and it still didnt work |
| 21:12.28 | darkie33 | PerfDave: K so how do i fix it? |
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| 21:13.21 | abrotman | PerfDave: could be the mirror at his colo? |
| 21:13.31 | pickcoder | doh |
| 21:13.35 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.48 | abrotman | pickcoder: this is bad |
| 21:13.50 | pickcoder | bad logrotate.. bad |
| 21:13.52 | PerfDave | darkie33: What is that deb http://81.91.108.244/debian/ line about? |
| 21:13.56 | gopss | I'll find out |
| 21:14.03 | abrotman | 244.108.91.81.in-addr.arpa name = lizard-eth1.linux-srv.anlx.net. |
| 21:14.14 | fasta | Is there any graphical "file manager" that can list about 1000 directories and files in 0.5 seconds? |
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| 21:14.35 | fasta | Gnome takes here about 5 seconds |
| 21:14.45 | PerfDave | fasta: xterm ls ? :) |
| 21:14.55 | fasta | PerfDave: _graphical_ |
| 21:15.04 | ricky | Hence the X in xterm :) |
| 21:15.05 | jamonation | krusader? thunar? rox? |
| 21:15.07 | PerfDave | fasta: xterm *is* graphical :) |
| 21:15.07 | abrotman | xfe ? |
| 21:15.49 | PerfDave | fasta: TBH I suspect it has more to do with the filesystem / disk set up than the file managing sotware. |
| 21:15.50 | abrotman | fasta: wait .. why does it matter ? |
| 21:15.50 | fasta | abrotman: I don't like waiting. |
| 21:15.50 | fasta | abrotman: and I do visit my home dir rather often. |
| 21:15.50 | abrotman | then don't .. go get a beer out of the fridge |
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| 21:15.55 | jamonation | fasta: then use a terminal |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | fasta: sounds like you need a better heirarchy |
| 21:16.08 | ricky | Then use CLI. And be a bit more organized :) |
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| 21:16.21 | jelly | fasta: are the various preview/file type options switched off? |
| 21:16.23 | beewee | Hi! I tried shrinking and moving a fat32 partition using gparted and it failed: http://beewee.be.funpic.de/initrd.img.html |
| 21:16.32 | beewee | should I try to mount it? |
| 21:16.33 | darkie33 | PerfDave: I am not sure. |
| 21:16.37 | beewee | or what can I do now? |
| 21:16.53 | fasta | jelly: no |
| 21:17.03 | fasta | jelly: is that a major factor? |
| 21:17.15 | abrotman | i have all the features on .. it's slow .. what should i do?! |
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| 21:17.49 | PerfDave | darkie33: IF you don't know where you've been installing packages from, and you're having trouble with dependencis, the only surefire way to fix it is to reinstall |
| 21:18.03 | vn_ | indeed. |
| 21:18.04 | PerfDave | fasta: If you have 1000+ files in $HOME, you need some subdirectories ;) |
| 21:18.07 | fasta | I could organize it a bit better, since I have the source trees for lots of projects in ~. |
| 21:18.09 | jelly | fasta: I don't use Gnome. However, Konqueror (the KDE counterpart) read all the file contents to determine file type and draw nice icons... your file manager might be doing something similar |
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| 21:18.36 | fasta | jelly: yes, it does, I could switch it off, but I did that before IIRC, and it didn't matter a lot. |
| 21:18.39 | pickcoder | too many kernels |
| 21:19.13 | darkie33 | PerfDave: I am quite sure that the line came up today... mostly from netselect i guess.. |
| 21:19.27 | jelly | fasta: I suspect this is an upstream issue. irc.gnome.org, #gnome ... they should be caring about usability :-) |
| 21:19.44 | darkie33 | PerfDave: Why doesn't it just fetch the dependencies? |
| 21:19.48 | abrotman | it's usable .. just not fast :) |
| 21:19.50 | babilen | fasta: i suggest a subdir ~/src or ~/proj or something similar as a start then. and maybe one subdir per project beneath that one |
| 21:19.54 | PerfDave | darkie33: Because you've screwed it up :) |
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| 21:20.13 | fasta | babilen: yes, I already had one, I just didn't migrate everything yet. |
| 21:20.15 | abrotman | fasta: but clearly if you have 1000 directories in $HOME .. you need to clean up :) |
| 21:20.15 | PerfDave | darkie33: Once you start mixing binary packages from stable and unstable all bets are off and the only way to fix it is to reinstall. |
| 21:20.24 | abrotman | or go all unstable! |
| 21:20.40 | darkie33 | abrotman:how do i go all unstable? |
| 21:20.45 | fasta | abrotman: I only have about <140 dirs, the rest are files |
| 21:20.58 | abrotman | darkie33: you don't want to on a server |
| 21:21.07 | abrotman | fasta: so put them somewhere .. don't be a slob |
| 21:21.23 | fasta | abrotman: yes, I will ;) |
| 21:21.23 | darkie33 | abrotman: Its a desktop. |
| 21:21.26 | abrotman | hell .. even ~/stuff/ is better than $HOME |
| 21:21.34 | PerfDave | darkie33: If you have to ask how to go unstable, you shouldn't. |
| 21:21.40 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 21:21.40 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 21:21.46 | babilen | fasta: wow. never saw that kind of home directory before. how do you ever find something? |
| 21:21.52 | PerfDave | darkie33: Just realise that you screwed your system up and reinstall :) |
| 21:21.52 | fasta | Ok, disabling "preview" (and putting me back in the Windows 95 age) brings it back to under one second. |
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| 21:22.08 | fasta | babilen: tab completion in shell most of the time |
| 21:22.23 | darkie33 | PerfDave: k.. |
| 21:22.35 | fasta | babilen: I only use the graphical manager for some directories |
| 21:22.37 | jelly | fasta: now ask the developers about "caching the preview" :-P |
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| 21:22.43 | Sebboh | !lame |
| 21:22.44 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:23.05 | Sebboh | Why isn't it in non-free? |
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| 21:23.09 | darkie33 | PerfDave:anyways thanks for the help |
| 21:23.11 | fasta | jelly: nah, I won't bother the developers, since they aren't interested in making it work better |
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| 21:23.59 | babilen | Sebboh: the mp3 algorithmn was developed at one of the fraunhofer institutes in germany. and they did not gpl it |
| 21:24.02 | fasta | jelly: I filed a bug for mounting a floppy disk with vfat file system. The Gnome people said it was a kernel problem. The kernel people pointed back to the Gnome people. |
| 21:24.16 | DustyDingo | is there a way to verify the key slot number of a luks key? |
| 21:24.18 | PerfDave | fasta: Like I say, it's more likely to do with your disk setup and filesystem than your file manager software. |
| 21:24.29 | fasta | PerfDave: I use Ext3 |
| 21:24.47 | jelly | babilen: um, you're mixing patents and licenses |
| 21:25.16 | fasta | PerfDave: any command to see the number of files on one disk? |
| 21:25.25 | babilen | jelly: it's patented? even worse... |
| 21:25.29 | petemc | fasta: surely you could just see if it works outside of gnome? |
| 21:25.31 | PerfDave | fasta: find / |
| 21:25.37 | Sebboh | All I know is that my webserver is not production ready because of this BS |
| 21:25.59 | Sebboh | it's the damned gif files all over again. =P |
| 21:26.00 | babilen | jelly: on second thought. I would patent it too. i would be rich, rich is say... (sorry could not resist) |
| 21:26.11 | PerfDave | Sebboh: You want to do mp3 encoding on a production webserver? |
| 21:26.11 | fasta | petemc: what works? |
| 21:26.28 | babilen | Sebboh: just install i from debian-multimedia |
| 21:26.33 | jelly | babilen: I don't know much about IP, but there's nothing wrong aobut trying to protect your inventions. |
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| 21:26.42 | petemc | fasta: mounting a vfat floppy |
| 21:26.57 | fasta | petemc: if works when you give the right flag to mount |
| 21:27.13 | petemc | fasta: so its not a kernel problem? |
| 21:27.23 | fasta | petemc: but you cannot say to the kernel: "mount this floppy" |
| 21:27.38 | fasta | petemc: this might be because this in impossible in general |
| 21:27.41 | Sebboh | babilen, you want me to put nonstandard packages on this thing? PerfDave, ok, actually, only the output will be on the server. But I need that output. |
| 21:27.48 | fasta | petemc: but I don't know that |
| 21:27.54 | babilen | jelly: i agree completely |
| 21:27.54 | petemc | you've lost me.. |
| 21:28.06 | jthomas | does a Core2Duo processor run standard x86 Debian? or is it 64bit? |
| 21:28.17 | PerfDave | Sebboh: You don't need lame to serve MP3s on a webserver. |
| 21:28.23 | xdr | anyone who can recomend a nice lightweight window handler |
| 21:28.26 | fasta | petemc: mount -t vfat <device> <mountpoint> works |
| 21:28.34 | PerfDave | jthomas: 64-bit processors can run 32-bit distributions. |
| 21:28.34 | babilen | Sebboh: than install lame from the upstream sources, convert your files elsewhere and put them on the webserver |
| 21:28.42 | fasta | petemc: you cannot say mount <device> <mountpoint> |
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| 21:28.50 | PerfDave | At least, amd64 processors can run i386 distributions. |
| 21:28.54 | Sebboh | PerfDave please don't waste precious bandwidth on that sort of information. |
| 21:28.56 | jthomas | sure |
| 21:28.58 | fasta | petemc: do you understand? |
| 21:29.01 | jthomas | thanks PerfDave |
| 21:29.06 | babilen | babilen: but i guess installing from debian-mutlimedia is the fastest solution |
| 21:29.18 | PerfDave | Sebboh: Sorry, you appear to be confused about what lame is. |
| 21:29.21 | petemc | fasta: yes, how is that a gnome issue at all? |
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| 21:29.49 | Sebboh | PerfDave, I'm not thanks. |
| 21:29.53 | fasta | petemc: Gnome claims to be a desktop environment |
| 21:30.06 | PerfDave | Sebboh: Well, if you're going to get arsey, I won't bother trying to help you. |
| 21:30.11 | petemc | fasta: right? |
| 21:30.19 | fasta | petemc: I click on an icon with a vfat floppy and it doesn't work. Who's fault is it then? |
| 21:30.23 | Sebboh | Perf, debian wasted $300 today. |
| 21:30.29 | Sebboh | Anyway, I got to go. |
| 21:30.37 | fasta | petemc: the Gnome guys should take this bug to the kernel people if they think they cannot solve it otherwise. |
| 21:30.47 | abrotman | wtf |
| 21:31.15 | fasta | petemc: but in this case the kernel person said that the Gnome people should solve it, but they won't due to lack of interest |
| 21:31.19 | fasta | petemc: end of story |
| 21:31.40 | PerfDave | fasta: Well, Gnome is free software. If you care that much, you can fix it yourself or hire someone to do it. |
| 21:31.40 | petemc | sounds easy to work around |
| 21:32.01 | petemc | also, floppies suck |
| 21:32.21 | Supaplex|roaming | !sucks |
| 21:32.22 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 21:32.23 | fasta | Heh, "easy to work around". It just means it's not "polished". |
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| 21:33.11 | fasta | I.e. _not_ user-friendly, where user-friendly is designed relative to the target user of Gnome which is some computer-illiterate person. |
| 21:33.12 | snowbird | dpkg i almost wet self |
| 21:33.17 | fasta | er defined |
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| 21:33.46 | Supaplex|roaming | snowbird: huh? |
| 21:33.53 | snowbird | funny pic |
| 21:34.01 | fasta | PerfDave: they shouldn't close a bug report based on "lack of interest" |
| 21:34.08 | nuxis | hey, I can't get 3d support for my Ati Radeon Mobility 7500 I tried radeon, ati etc... I was here lastr time and stil I couldn't get 3d support now I was wondering if the official ati drivers would work there is no one for my card but there is a driver for 9600 will that work maybe? |
| 21:34.17 | fasta | PerfDave: this creates a "lack of interest" to file more bugs. |
| 21:34.42 | PerfDave | fasta: This is true. Then again, I'm not a Gnome user. |
| 21:34.57 | jelly | fasta: perhaps a lack of interest to use their software is more appropriate. |
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| 21:35.29 | Supaplex|roaming | !start a wm war |
| 21:35.29 | dpkg | wmaker blows! |
| 21:36.09 | fasta | jelly: I suppose. I do switch some times, but there are some weak points in the minimal window managers and KDE crashed a bit too much. |
| 21:36.10 | jelly | fasta: xfce's file manager only renders previews when the icons are visible, for example. However, the initial rendering of a directory with about 1000 files is slow too. |
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| 21:36.24 | nuxis | someone? |
| 21:36.32 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@dslb-088-065-203-045.pools.arcor-ip.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 21:36.51 | Torahteen | Hello |
| 21:37.00 | Torahteen | recently new installation of xubuntu |
| 21:37.05 | Torahteen | trying to compile a program |
| 21:37.10 | Torahteen | ran configure and got |
| 21:37.12 | Torahteen | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 21:37.14 | jelly | nuxis: the free radeon driver ought to work, I think |
| 21:37.14 | fasta | Torahteen: #debian |
| 21:37.25 | PerfDave | Torahteen: This is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 21:37.28 | Torahteen | fasta, pardon? |
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| 21:37.33 | nuxis | jelly: I tried too much |
| 21:37.36 | Torahteen | Yes, I know, but it's the same thing |
| 21:37.41 | jelly | nuxis: fglrx does not support those card any more |
| 21:37.41 | PerfDave | Torahteen: No, it's not |
| 21:37.41 | fasta | Torahteen: no, it isn't. |
| 21:37.43 | PerfDave | !ubuntu |
| 21:37.43 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is <based on debian>. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net - See also <based on debian caveats>. |
| 21:37.44 | nuxis | and I get threads about people who tried also much |
| 21:37.45 | xinming | I've installed xserver-xorg, and whenever I try to startxfce4, It will tell me 'No Valid FontPath could be found', Where I did wrong please? |
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| 21:37.55 | nuxis | jelly: I NEVER tought about using fglrx |
| 21:37.56 | xinming | Or, which packages should I install? |
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| 21:38.13 | nuxis | well I will try radeon driver |
| 21:38.14 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:38.15 | jelly | nuxis: oh, what did you mean by "official ati driver" then? |
| 21:38.18 | *** mode/#debian [-b +b!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:38.22 | nuxis | from the website... |
| 21:38.32 | jelly | nuxis: which site? |
| 21:38.32 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:38.35 | pablo__ | hello, does anyone else have problems with driver NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9755-pkg1.run? |
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| 21:38.40 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@84-255-206-50.static.dsl.t-2.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:38.56 | fasta | pablo__: you should use the Debian way. Next question |
| 21:38.58 | PerfDave | pablo__: You shouldn't use the nvidia-provided installer on Debian systems |
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| 21:39.04 | fasta | PerfDave: heh |
| 21:39.11 | fasta | PerfDave: this is becoming boring ;) |
| 21:39.13 | pablo__ | i need it for compiz-fusion :/ |
| 21:39.17 | pablo__ | oh well |
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| 21:39.33 | PerfDave | pablo__: You can install the nVidia binary driver, just don't use the installer from nvidia.com |
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| 21:39.37 | fasta | Compiz can only be used to slow down your computer. |
| 21:39.41 | PerfDave | !tell pablo__ -about nvidia |
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| 21:39.52 | fasta | And crash X while doing so. |
| 21:40.06 | Phil4 | hi guys, is there a root only equivalent to "locate" which searches the /home/ directory too? |
| 21:40.11 | xinming | Ok, I know, xfonts-base |
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| 21:40.47 | PerfDave | Phil4: You might want to look at slocate |
| 21:40.56 | Phil4 | ok, thanks |
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| 21:41.11 | pablo__ | ok thanks guys |
| 21:41.54 | jelly | !tell xinming about install x |
| 21:41.57 | psychonate | I uploaded something on paster, but I'm not sure where to from there |
| 21:42.59 | PerfDave | Hmm, that page http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers doesn't mention that the nvidia.com installer will overwrite apt-owned files which will be overwritten in turn. |
| 21:43.13 | Phil4 | ah, that's awsome PerfDave |
| 21:43.15 | Phil4 | thanks :) |
| 21:44.29 | psychonate | I can't seem to get samba configured. When I 'dpkg --configure samba," it shows "symbol lookup error: /usr/sbin/smbd: undefined symbol: good_sends" and fails |
| 21:45.06 | PerfDave | psychonate: What a strange error! Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:45.14 | psychonate | lenny |
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| 21:45.19 | PerfDave | psychonate: Did you check the BTS? |
| 21:45.27 | psychonate | BTS? |
| 21:45.44 | Supaplex|roaming | !btssmite psychonate |
| 21:45.47 | psychonate | bug tracker? |
| 21:45.52 | psychonate | will do |
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| 21:47.33 | jelly | Is there a way to rename a factoid? |
| 21:51.14 | streuner | jelly: infobot.org |
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| 21:52.07 | MatBoy | already someone know a good commandline monitoring tool comparing to snoopylogger ? |
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| 21:54.04 | psychonate | don't see anything similar in the bug tracker so far |
| 21:54.12 | jelly | streuner: thanks, but a) those are only "most of the commands" and b) dpkg is a blootbot |
| 21:54.33 | streuner | hm, dpkg is based on infobot ;-) |
| 21:54.49 | jelly | streuner: grepping over the code for blootbot shows a "rename" command though :-) |
| 21:54.56 | streuner | sure, xk changed that, but those are the only documentation about... |
| 21:55.56 | streuner | simply, <bloodbot>, no, <factoid> is foo |
| 21:56.04 | streuner | should be enough |
| 21:57.27 | jelly | streuner: that's not renaming, that's changing the value of |
| 21:58.13 | jelly | streuner: however, it doesn't matter, there's a lot of references to the current factiod so I decided not to mess with it at this time |
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| 21:59.05 | jelly | dpkg, what are you? |
| 21:59.05 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 21:59.24 | Zapaty | + |
| 21:59.30 | bulio_ | how can I setup debian to act as a headless router/switch? |
| 21:59.38 | bulio_ | I have a machine with 5 NICs in it |
| 22:00.13 | nuxis | wich xorg is there in etch? |
| 22:00.19 | nuxis | wich version I mean |
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| 22:01.02 | jelly | !info xorg etch |
| 22:01.06 | dpkg | xorg: (X.Org X Window System), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.0-19 (etch), Packaged size: 18 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 22:01.13 | jelly | nuxis: see above. |
| 22:01.16 | nuxis | tnx |
| 22:01.19 | babilen | nuxis: apt-cache policy xorg |
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| 22:01.48 | jelly | babilen: that's assuming he _has_ etch in his sources.list |
| 22:01.51 | nuxis | I found something that 3d is supported by radeon in from "he newes prerelease of X.org 6.8.1 supports the RV200 including 2D and 3D accel. " |
| 22:02.10 | babilen | nuxis: or have a look at http://packages.debian.org, or try one of the other possibilities if you do not have etch in your sources list. |
| 22:02.40 | jelly | nuxis: it should just work, unless you messed with the system by installing ati's binary stuff |
| 22:02.55 | jelly | nuxis: at least, it "just worked" for my 9200 |
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| 22:03.35 | babilen | jelly: i just like to help people by showing them how to solve similar problems on their own the next time. |
| 22:04.02 | linuxtk10 | anyone here use Lilo |
| 22:04.03 | linuxtk10 | ? |
| 22:04.06 | jelly | babilen: makes sense |
| 22:04.08 | azeem | !anyone |
| 22:04.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:04.35 | linuxtk10 | is their anyway to make lilo only boot a image/kernl once then have it default to another one ? |
| 22:04.37 | Supaplex|roaming | !anyone use lilo |
| 22:04.37 | dpkg | No, no one uses lilo, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:04.43 | nuxis | jelly: there is a great problem with that card I google much and always found the same "not 3d support" and that stuff |
| 22:04.59 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: I believe so |
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| 22:05.45 | linuxtk10 | Supaplex|roaming: yea hmm looking for the option |
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| 22:06.12 | pike_ | linuxtk10: why not use grub if ya wanna do that? |
| 22:07.00 | jelly | nuxis: "no support" doesn't help. Which debian release are you using? Version of xorg? Are you using a custom kernel (does it have support for radeon kernel module and agpgart)? Are libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri installed? pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log. |
| 22:07.24 | bulio_ | how can I setup debian to act as a headless router/switch? |
| 22:07.25 | bulio_ | I have a machine with 5 NICs in it |
| 22:07.39 | bulio_ | also, is it safe to use said machine as a web server aswell? |
| 22:07.54 | linuxtk10 | pike_: can grub do that ? |
| 22:08.08 | Bogus8 | what causes my windows box to not have a "remember password" when mapping a network drive to a samba share on my debian box? I can do it to my old FC3 box no problems. |
| 22:08.39 | jelly | linuxtk10: yes, lilo can do that. Have you read the manual page? |
| 22:08.57 | azeem | linuxtk10: yes |
| 22:09.21 | nuxis | jelly: ok sec I will search everything |
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| 22:10.10 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: /sbin/lilo -R linux-new (Tell LILO to treat linux-new as default boot kernel just for one time only) |
| 22:10.52 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: google found it for me with: lilo "one time" |
| 22:11.18 | pike_ | linuxtk10: yeah, want aware lilo had that option too |
| 22:11.28 | pike_ | wasnt |
| 22:12.56 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: did you login with a password on the windows box? is it autologin? |
| 22:13.13 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: it's a different user/pass than what is on my windows box |
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| 22:14.41 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: you can login to the share, right? windows uses protected storage to cache your passwords. if you don't login to windows (eg, passwordless, or autologin has no password), there's no cached passwords. |
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| 22:15.09 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: ok, gotcha... good to know, but no, I manually log into all my boxes |
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| 22:15.15 | nomatter | hi |
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| 22:16.08 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: try the net command from the command line. there's a way to make it persistant |
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| 22:16.25 | pipeline_ | bulio_: router yes, switch not so much. I mean, you could make it a switch, but it would suck at it and be a royal PITA to set up. |
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| 22:16.43 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: I'll give it a go... I know when I connect to my fedora box it gives me the "remember..." option... but when I do the same to debian it doesn't |
| 22:16.47 | hans0lo | Can someone direct me to some instructions on how to install the Nvidia binary drivers under the 2.6.21 kernel? Apparently it changed from 2.6.18. |
| 22:17.21 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: so debian vs fedora is the only difference from that box? |
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| 22:17.27 | hans0lo | running on debian Lenny, btw. |
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| 22:17.49 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: yeah, I compared the smb.conf's side by side and can't see anything glaring at me |
| 22:18.11 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell hans0lo -about nvidia |
| 22:18.26 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: and fc3 has smbd version 3.x (it is older but, minor revision) |
| 22:18.29 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: what of the versions of samba? |
| 22:18.38 | streuner | !nvidia-installer really sucks |
| 22:18.39 | dpkg | We don't tell you not to use drivers from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 22:19.22 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: Version 3.0.10-1.fc3 and debian is Version 3.0.24 |
| 22:20.05 | et- | streuner: that advice does not work on lenny |
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| 22:20.24 | bulio_ | pipeline_: but I can still plug 5 machines in it? |
| 22:20.31 | streuner | hm, just use stable then ;-) |
| 22:20.37 | bulio_ | and theyll all be firewalled and have access to the internet? |
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| 22:22.45 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: I'm leaving the office and I'll be home in about 10 mins, I'll pick up this screen when I get there, so feel free to throw any suggestions in the mean time ;) |
| 22:23.12 | jelly | pipeline_: um, why is it a royal pita to set up a bridge with lots of eth* devices? |
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| 22:24.27 | jelly | pipeline_: my DSL router is running linux 2.4.17 and has 4 eth devices (ok, it has some custom drivers ;-) ... that's its default firmware |
| 22:24.34 | linuxtk10 | Supaplex|roaming: but then everyother time after that it would do the normal krnel right ? |
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| 22:25.24 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: man pages are your friend. |
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| 22:25.36 | dondelelcaro | I'm going to be removing 43 lines of bans. You are strongly advised to /ignore #debian MODES |
| 22:25.53 | linuxtk10 | Supaplex|roaming: yes i am instaling lilo |
| 22:26.12 | dondelelcaro | unbanning begins; /ignore #debian MODES; (or your clients equivalent is recommended) |
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| 22:28.16 | pickcoder | meh |
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| 22:29.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:29.12 | streuner | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 22:29.17 | ttuttle | wow |
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| 22:29.20 | dondelelcaro | you can /unignore #debian MODES; if you want |
| 22:29.38 | mbroeker | what a hack |
| 22:29.56 | Supaplex|roaming | !ignore pickcoder |
| 22:30.02 | Supaplex|roaming | ;) |
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| 22:30.57 | Kevin` | that's always how i've thought of ignores on irc, sticking your fingers in your ears :) |
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| 22:31.51 | maek | does anyone know if its possible to extract the md5sum hash out of rsync if you are on the receving end of an ssh based rsync? thanks. |
| 22:31.58 | Klaps | hello is there any packet to crypt my hdd |
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| 22:32.59 | mbroeker | Klaps, http://www.saout.de/misc/dm-crypt/ |
| 22:33.29 | jelly | pipeline_: something like http://paste.debian.net/35641, basically. Then use the bridge as the internal LAN device and set it up normally. |
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| 22:33.44 | en1gma | sup all |
| 22:33.53 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to get gdm/gnome to mess with grub so that i can ask it to reboot into a certain entry, a la kde? |
| 22:34.39 | en1gma | i got a simple question...i created a file called "firewall" and i want to be executed upon bootup (even before the login screen for console). how do i do this |
| 22:34.49 | jelly | pipeline_: I do this for my virtual machines, which are bridged to the phys. iface to make it look like they're directly connected to the lan |
| 22:34.56 | streuner | !rc.local |
| 22:34.56 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.lcoal). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
| 22:34.57 | Klaps | can i get it with apt-get install dm-crypt? |
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| 22:35.00 | Klaps | can i get it with apt-get install dm-crypt? |
| 22:35.22 | SerajewelKS | !tell Klaps about repeat |
| 22:35.30 | mbroeker | Klaps, i wont try it without a proper howto for debian in your native language |
| 22:35.37 | en1gma | right now it is chmod 770. do i need to change its permissions so it can be executed before the login screen |
| 22:36.09 | streuner | Did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 22:36.17 | en1gma | of course |
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| 22:36.22 | SerajewelKS | en1gma: if it's an iptables setup script, call it from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:36.25 | en1gma | but it dont say what permissions it has to have |
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| 22:36.45 | SerajewelKS | en1gma: the interfaces file will be cleaner |
| 22:36.47 | en1gma | right now it is set for root only to execute |
| 22:36.58 | SerajewelKS | en1gma: man interfaces and look at the post-up directive |
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| 22:37.18 | SerajewelKS | en1gma: that's where i do my iptables stuff anyway |
| 22:37.20 | en1gma | i changed interfaces to chmod 770 to...and i cant remember what it originally was |
| 22:37.22 | streuner | scripts are usually root anyways... |
| 22:37.53 | en1gma | oh so thats all good then....can i have the interfaces file execute the "firewall" script |
| 22:37.59 | SerajewelKS | en1gma: yes, just do what i told you to |
| 22:38.08 | en1gma | oh ok i got ya |
| 22:38.10 | en1gma | thanks |
| 22:38.16 | SerajewelKS | en1gma: "man interfaces" -- run it from a post-up section and it will be run after the interface is brought up |
| 22:38.17 | en1gma | both of yas |
| 22:38.42 | en1gma | so i tack it on to the bottom of interface file |
| 22:38.44 | en1gma | ok |
| 22:38.55 | SerajewelKS | on |
| 22:38.57 | SerajewelKS | no* |
| 22:39.01 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 22:39.13 | SerajewelKS | you tack it under your eth0 definition, or whatever interface you want it to be tied to |
| 22:39.37 | en1gma | well i cant man anything cause one of the nic cards i added is giving me some kind of error and it keeps coming up like ever 2 seconds |
| 22:39.47 | en1gma | so anything i type on that box gets screwy |
| 22:40.02 | SerajewelKS | so "ifconfig that-nic down" |
| 22:40.05 | en1gma | its not really an error...not sure what i should call it |
| 22:40.08 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 22:40.16 | Supaplex|roaming | en1gma: setterm -msglevel 1 |
| 22:40.18 | en1gma | sweet |
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| 22:40.32 | SerajewelKS | or that |
| 22:40.52 | ilf | ok, so my user crontab seems to not get executed any more. any idea why? (sid) |
| 22:40.55 | en1gma | im gonna have to fix that problem cause the other 4 nics dont do that msg...just that one |
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| 22:42.04 | SerajewelKS | who needs four nics =/ |
| 22:42.18 | en1gma | i got 5 but that one gives me that error |
| 22:42.21 | Supaplex|roaming | yea, that's what vlan switches are for |
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| 22:42.22 | en1gma | i making a router |
| 22:42.26 | SerajewelKS | this isn't like a mission-critical router is it? |
| 22:42.35 | en1gma | brb i have to reboot that box and i will loose connection on this box for a min |
| 22:42.37 | en1gma | 1 min brb |
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| 22:44.41 | SerajewelKS | my uni requires a program to gain network access... basically it scans your computer for "illegal p2p software" and if you're clean it lets your MAC address through |
| 22:44.44 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: any ideas for my samba issue? |
| 22:45.03 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: check /etc/default/ - but otherwise, no. |
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| 22:45.09 | SerajewelKS | the solution? a 2-nic linux router running a pristine XP VM that is firewalled from the rest of my private LAN. |
| 22:45.43 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: Have you tried tcpdumping the software? |
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| 22:46.14 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: what should I be looking for in defaults? not much there in samba |
| 22:46.17 | PerfDave | SerajewelKS: And does it auth the MAC address of the host it's running on, or the MAC address of the machine that connects to the auth sever? :) |
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| 22:46.35 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: no idea. my samba box isn't accessible from my location. |
| 22:46.52 | jazbo2185 | Hey folks, I'm getting something really slowing down my system to an absolute crawl. I ctrl+alt+F2 and log in, in hopes of killing some processes but error messages just keep scrolling and I'm unable to enter any commands. Is there anything I can do other than just hitting the power button? |
| 22:46.55 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: understood, I'll play around with it some more |
| 22:47.02 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: thanks |
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| 22:50.22 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: the latter, which means the VM stuff works |
| 22:50.35 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: this is my third year, i've done this all before |
| 22:50.50 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: also the connection is some UDP thing that looks pretty encrypted |
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| 22:51.33 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: no i take that back, it was https. i installed a driver on windows that intercepts the traffic before wininet gets it (so it's readable) and it looked like if i spent a lot of time i could reverse engineer it. |
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| 22:51.55 | jazbo2185 | Hmmmmmm, I guess I should just pull the plug?? That can't be good but no other ideas? |
| 22:52.01 | SerajewelKS | PerfDave: then i found out that if i identified as linux with the browser it would just let me on, so a few minutes and one perl cron job later, and i was set |
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| 22:53.12 | PerfDave | jazbo2185: What do the error messages say? |
| 22:53.59 | jazbo2185 | PerfDave: Error -110 writing Tx descriptor to BAP |
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| 22:55.25 | jazbo2185 | I now know how to avoid getting this error. I'm just concerned about how I can issue an `ifconfig eth1 down` or safetly shut down when my console is completely flooded. |
| 22:55.56 | PerfDave | jazbo2185: Looks like a network condition, you could try unplugging the cable :) |
| 22:55.57 | jazbo2185 | Basically once the error pops up, it seems the only solution is to hit the power button |
| 22:56.08 | jazbo2185 | PerfDave: wireless |
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| 22:56.36 | abrotman | jazbo2185: so the cable is broken then ... |
| 22:56.47 | jazbo2185 | PerfDave: it happens when my computer has the wireless up in certain network environments |
| 22:57.07 | abrotman | jazbo2185: firmware based driver ? |
| 22:57.15 | jazbo2185 | Really all I care about know is how I can shutdown |
| 22:57.21 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: not sure |
| 22:57.27 | jazbo2185 | s/know/now |
| 22:57.29 | abrotman | which chipset |
| 22:57.38 | abrotman | oh |
| 22:58.01 | abrotman | you can't switch to a terminal ? |
| 22:58.22 | PerfDave | jazbo2185: Pressing the power button on my case shuts my computer down cleanly. |
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| 22:58.45 | Nebukadneza | hi |
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| 22:59.07 | Nebukadneza | does anyone have a idea whethertheres a debian iwlwifi (source) package anywhere? |
| 22:59.20 | PerfDave | Nebukadneza: packages.debian.org probably knows |
| 22:59.24 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: when I ctrl+alt+F2, I can log in but after logging in, the terminal just gets flooded with the error message and I can't enter any commands |
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| 22:59.30 | zinx | Nebukadneza: i couldn't find one when i looked |
| 22:59.37 | abrotman | jazbo2185: ctrl-l make them go away ? |
| 22:59.43 | Nebukadneza | PerfDave: inofficial or development i mean |
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| 22:59.54 | abrotman | jazbo2185: have you tried typing "poweroff" and hitting enter |
| 22:59.54 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:59.55 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: aha, didn't know about ctrl-l, what is that? |
| 22:59.57 | Nebukadneza | zinx: okay, so i still have to write the module-assi scripts myself |
| 23:00.13 | zinx | Nebukadneza: it's not -too- hard to compile yourself, but you'll need to get the kernel source package (not just the headers) and pass a couple of options to the makefile |
| 23:00.17 | PerfDave | Mmm, binary firmwarelicious. |
| 23:00.33 | Nebukadneza | zinx: well, thats not the problem. i want a "clean" install |
| 23:00.37 | abrotman | jazbo2185: usually the crap on the screen won't actually affect what you type (just what you read) |
| 23:00.41 | Nebukadneza | so i'll have to build me packages ;p |
| 23:00.42 | zinx | Perf: amusingly, the firmware is in debian (although the one in debian is too old) |
| 23:00.43 | Nebukadneza | (or m-a stuff) |
| 23:00.49 | zinx | PerfDave: it's the GPL'd module that isn't. |
| 23:00.55 | Nebukadneza | jeah, thats strange ... why is there the firmware? |
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| 23:01.09 | jazbo2185 | abrotman: hmmmmm okkay lemme run up and try that stuff |
| 23:01.18 | jazbo2185 | thanks folks |
| 23:01.25 | zinx | Nebukadneza: i'm going to guess it's because the ipw3945 driver is in Debian, and whoever didn't realize iwlwifi's needed for a 4965AGN |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | HA .. my entire labor day is saying 80F .. beat that! |
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| 23:01.36 | PerfDave | I thought Intel stuff was all supposed to be GPLd these days. |
| 23:01.53 | zinx | PerfDave: it is except for the binary firmware (which is common in wireless drivers anyway) |
| 23:02.09 | PerfDave | zinx: Meh, I'll stick to my Realtek chipsets |
| 23:02.13 | zinx | PerfDave: 100% GPL except for the firmware - yet, the firmware is in Debian, the GPL'd module isn't :) |
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| 23:02.21 | zinx | PerfDave: ew |
| 23:02.27 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 23:02.27 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 23:02.35 | zinx | abrotman: that doesn't help for a 4965AGN |
| 23:02.45 | abrotman | zinx: presumably because the 'contrib' module depends on the non-free firmware |
| 23:02.48 | abrotman | zinx: i'm aware of that |
| 23:03.04 | zinx | abrotman: the 4965AGN firmware is in debian unstable already |
| 23:03.09 | abrotman | boo! |
| 23:03.10 | zinx | abrotman: so i am doubting firmware licensing is the issue |
| 23:03.21 | abrotman | it's still in non-free |
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| 23:03.27 | zinx | !info firmware-iwlwifi sid |
| 23:03.29 | Nebukadneza | zinx: hm, kay |
| 23:03.31 | dpkg | firmware-iwlwifi: (Binary firmware for Intel Wireless), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 0.7 (sid), Packaged size: 282 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
| 23:03.34 | Nebukadneza | i need iwlwifi for a 3945 |
| 23:03.38 | abrotman | !find iwlwifi sid |
| 23:03.40 | dpkg | firmware-iwlwifi: (Binary firmware for Intel Wireless), section non-free/misc, is optional. Version: 0.7 (sid), Packaged size: 282 kB, Installed size: 728 kB |
| 23:03.43 | zinx | abrotman: so, there's other non-free stuff in it :/ |
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| 23:03.53 | Nebukadneza | anyone a idea what i need to do to modify a sourcetree so it works with module-assi? |
| 23:03.58 | abrotman | zinx: maybe it works with another driver ? |
| 23:04.03 | zinx | it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have the firmware and not the iwlwifi driver |
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| 23:04.15 | PerfDave | Nebukadneza: There may be some documentation in /usr/share/doc/module-assistant |
| 23:04.22 | haydut | linux kuramıyorum yardım lazım |
| 23:04.23 | abrotman | zinx: ah .. no depends .. weird |
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| 23:04.27 | zinx | abrotman: no, only iwlwifi afaik.. and iwlwifi is GPL'd, as stated, so licensing isn't the issue there |
| 23:04.30 | abrotman | haydut: english |
| 23:04.37 | Nebukadneza | PerfDave: thanks |
| 23:04.40 | abrotman | zinx: is it in new ? |
| 23:04.48 | zinx | abrotman: haven't checked actually |
| 23:04.59 | zinx | !find iwlwifi experimental |
| 23:05.09 | zinx | not there :D |
| 23:05.12 | Nebukadneza | :/ |
| 23:05.20 | abrotman | guess not |
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| 23:05.41 | abrotman | zinx: i guess you could ask the maintainer |
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| 23:06.46 | zinx | yeah, i don't see it in incoming either |
| 23:07.11 | abrotman | !maint firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:07.13 | dpkg | firmware-iwlwifi: Debian Kernel Team <debian-kernel@lists.debian.org> |
| 23:07.20 | abrotman | zinx: #debian-kernel on oftc! |
| 23:07.22 | Nebukadneza | damn, ipw3945 died on me again |
| 23:07.29 | Nebukadneza | zinx: iwlwifi is "beeing worked on" since 99days |
| 23:07.32 | abrotman | zinx: oh wait .. maybe they merged it into the kernel ? |
| 23:07.42 | Nebukadneza | abrotman: nop |
| 23:07.42 | zinx | Nebukadneza: heh |
| 23:07.44 | abrotman | oh .. they can't .. nevermind |
| 23:07.52 | zinx | abrotman: no, it's still beta |
| 23:07.56 | zinx | even if they can |
| 23:08.02 | abrotman | zinx: so is this linux thing ;) |
| 23:08.06 | Nebukadneza | hehe |
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| 23:08.22 | Nebukadneza | it'd be funny if it wasnt so true |
| 23:08.42 | zinx | abrotman: yyeah.. i had to patch the drivers (myself, by finding the bug) before one portion would work.. they are beta :) |
| 23:08.54 | zinx | abrotman: intel applied it though, so that's good at least |
| 23:09.18 | abrotman | zinx: be easier if they just truly GPLed the damn thing |
| 23:09.31 | zinx | abrotman: oh - one reason it may not have been in was due to the lack of mac80211, but that's been fixed in sid now w/ the appearance of a 2.6.22 package |
| 23:10.33 | zinx | but at this point it's anyone's best guess |
| 23:10.36 | abrotman | zinx: too hard to second guess those wacky DDs :) |
| 23:11.00 | Nebukadneza | hm |
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| 23:14.07 | SwellJoe | Anyone have a clue on how to run apt-ftparchive in order to create a correct Release file? Mine gets a zero-sized entry with an invalid MD5 for the Release file itself (i.e. it's self-referential, which confuses apt-get) |
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| 23:16.23 | Downix | hey-lo |
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| 23:18.40 | Downix | ok, ubuntu is not impressing me.. any way to covert it to debian? |
| 23:18.51 | zinx | you can reinstall |
| 23:19.09 | zinx | simply changing the packages is likely to break your system |
| 23:19.20 | Downix | not really the easiest option, as I lack a CD-R atm |
| 23:19.33 | zinx | you can bootstrap a new installation off an old one |
| 23:19.38 | zinx | using debootstrap or similac |
| 23:19.40 | zinx | erh, similar |
| 23:19.50 | Downix | the only other option is a floppy |
| 23:20.03 | zinx | debootstrap or similar won't work for you? |
| 23:20.10 | Downix | never tried it |
| 23:20.32 | Downix | well, haven't in years |
| 23:20.47 | linuxtk10 | i need a mini linux system with just enough to run busybox |
| 23:20.50 | ttuttle | How fast can most servos move? |
| 23:20.59 | linuxtk10 | where can i get thi from ? |
| 23:21.11 | Downix | eh, it can wait till tomorrow. I can burn a disk at work |
| 23:21.22 | karsten | linuxtk10: tomsrtbt. |
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| 23:21.43 | karsten | linuxtk10: http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
| 23:22.02 | linuxtk10 | yea |
| 23:22.08 | linuxtk10 | i kinda need the actual file system though |
| 23:22.20 | karsten | linuxtk10: tomsrtbt. |
| 23:22.32 | linuxtk10 | extract it from the floppy image ? |
| 23:22.56 | linuxtk10 | and can that run busybox ? |
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| 23:24.00 | karsten | linuxtk10: yes |
| 23:24.03 | PointyPumper | is there a known issue with equalize in ip route in etch? |
| 23:24.11 | PointyPumper | i'm having problems with it :/ |
| 23:24.30 | karsten | linuxtk10: http://www.toms.net/rb/tomsrtbt.FAQ "3) Contents" |
| 23:24.43 | karsten | !tell PointyPumper about smart questions. |
| 23:25.00 | karsten | PointyPumper: What kind of problems? What are you doing? What's happening? What do you expect to have happen? |
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| 23:25.36 | PointyPumper | i'm trying to do load balance between two gateways with static ips |
| 23:25.43 | linuxtk10 | karsten: looking at it right now |
| 23:26.10 | PointyPumper | but when i watch the routing cache, i can see two items per conection, one for each gw |
| 23:26.16 | karsten | linuxtk10: You haven't said how you plan on deploying this, but for your standard "least Linux distro that runs busybox" requirement, that's your answer. |
| 23:26.31 | PointyPumper | all the trafic is routed throu one of the gateways, as it matches the first rule :/ |
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| 23:27.12 | PointyPumper | wait, i'll pastebin some things |
| 23:28.19 | Rerogo | hi, i'm on 2.6.21-2-686 sid, trying to install nvidia kernel drivers, and the nvidia wiki says to install some "nvidia-kernel-*" packages. my apt tells me these packages "have no installation canidate". is there anything i should know? i already checked my sources.list, i have non-free and contrib for testing, and i just ran apt-get update a few minutes ago |
| 23:28.38 | PointyPumper | there http://pastebin.ca/674159 |
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| 23:29.12 | PointyPumper | and everithing is routed throu 192.168.1.242 |
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| 23:29.42 | PointyPumper | aaaa, i forgot a rule |
| 23:29.49 | linuxtk10 | karsten: did you get my pm :P |
| 23:29.55 | PointyPumper | ip rule add from 192.168.1.222 table 99 |
| 23:30.32 | PointyPumper | (i got a socks server binded to that ip, i want to load balance all outgoing conections from that ) |
| 23:30.41 | Rerogo | ack... not nvidia wiki. debian wiki |
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| 23:30.44 | PointyPumper | any idea? |
| 23:30.59 | karsten | linuxtk10: Don't /msg me. |
| 23:31.23 | RAHSPUTIN | hi, is there an option to set warm-up time for scanimage |
| 23:31.26 | linuxtk10 | ah forgot it is freenode |
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| 23:31.55 | linuxtk10 | karsten: im so sorrry i really am |
| 23:32.15 | karsten | NP |
| 23:32.46 | karsten | linuxtk10: If you're trying to set up a secondary rescue partition, I typically do that as a "/system2", and just do a minimal Debian install into it. |
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| 23:33.06 | karsten | linuxtk10: ~150 - 200 MB should be sufficient. Gives you a lot mroe tools than just a busybox system. |
| 23:33.06 | linuxtk10 | karsten: another system ? |
| 23:33.15 | linuxtk10 | you mean like another server ? |
| 23:33.19 | linuxtk10 | or on a different partition ? |
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| 23:33.39 | karsten | linuxtk10: A seperate partition, as a seperate boot option. |
| 23:33.54 | stoned | helly babies |
| 23:33.54 | linuxtk10 | karsten: partition table is already set i got like 75 mb |
| 23:34.33 | x_link | stoned: Hi man! |
| 23:34.37 | stoned | hi dude man |
| 23:34.38 | karsten | linuxtk10: Plan ahead. |
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| 23:34.57 | x_link | stoned: Sorry for asking a off-topic question. But you don't play Tony Hawk - American Wasteland, right+ |
| 23:35.00 | x_link | ? |
| 23:35.03 | x_link | Sorry everybody! |
| 23:35.08 | karsten | Rerogo: "ATI"? |
| 23:35.27 | stoned | x_link: look in #kde |
| 23:35.32 | x_link | I just saw it =) |
| 23:35.36 | Rerogo | karsten: i thought they had even shittier drivers? |
| 23:35.47 | abrotman | x_link: ask for permission to msg him about something personal perhaps ? |
| 23:35.56 | Rerogo | i know they made the windows half unstable (didn't have debian on this box at this time) |
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| 23:35.59 | nuxis | anyone got an idea whenn lenny come out? |
| 23:36.04 | abrotman | nuxis: no |
| 23:36.09 | nuxis | :( ok :D |
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| 23:36.12 | karsten | Rerogo: They seem to be slightly more open. Personally I'd go Intel graphics if I could, they're GPLd. |
| 23:36.18 | stoned | you know if you put your palm on your ear and try sucktion pump style pumping, you can get the water out after you take a shower |
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| 23:36.30 | x_link | abrotman: I know, I thought of that afterwards. I'm sorry. |
| 23:36.32 | Rerogo | karsten: well, the way my dual-boot is set up, i'm not touching ATI |
| 23:36.35 | karsten | stoned: I prefer the alcohol solution. |
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| 23:36.40 | Nebuduck | Hey there. Someone please give rerogo a hand. He's being a right pain about it all on some other channel. |
| 23:36.48 | karsten | stoned: Drink alcohol until it evaporates the water from your ear. |
| 23:36.49 | abrotman | Nebuduck: ? |
| 23:36.52 | stoned | lol |
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| 23:37.07 | Rerogo | well, it's not like anyone else was doing anything there |
| 23:37.15 | karsten | stoned: That happens more quickly if you drink through your ear. |
| 23:37.15 | Nebuduck | that's all you can do to help me. Goodbye. |
| 23:37.18 | abrotman | Rerogo: in which OS ? |
| 23:37.20 | stoned | borat man is around? |
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| 23:37.24 | stoned | heh |
| 23:37.43 | karsten | Rerogo: My solution in general is to avoid closed HW solutions. /msg dpkg nvidia for all I know on the topic. |
| 23:37.50 | Rerogo | ok |
| 23:37.57 | stoned | i need budds |
| 23:38.00 | stoned | brb |
| 23:38.24 | karsten | Rerogo: You're welcome to gripe to Nvidia about it as well. |
| 23:38.58 | abrotman | like they care .. morons still buy their hardware |
| 23:39.04 | Rerogo | karsten: i already looked at that page, as far as i can tell (lynx doesn't show urls(it was a page about nvidia on the debian wiki)) |
| 23:39.29 | Rerogo | the problem is the packages it tells me to get have for some reason been removed from the apt repository |
| 23:39.32 | abrotman | Rerogo: is this for Debian or some other OS ? |
| 23:39.36 | abrotman | oh .. he's using testing |
| 23:39.48 | karsten | Rerogo: As I said, that factoid knows more than I do. |
| 23:39.58 | Rerogo | this is a problem? |
| 23:39.59 | Rerogo | karsten: ok |
| 23:40.12 | abrotman | binary nvidia crapness is currently biffed in lenny/testing |
| 23:40.31 | Rerogo | *mutter mutter* |
| 23:40.37 | abrotman | if you want stable .. use stable |
| 23:41.08 | Rerogo | no, i want testing |
| 23:41.40 | Rerogo | because otherwise all my gentoo friends are annoyed with me for not having access to the latest X |
| 23:41.42 | abrotman | then you get the broken bits |
| 23:41.51 | explody | I usually have fewer stability problems with unstable than I do with other distros "stable" releases :P |
| 23:41.57 | stoned | mutter in my language means green peas |
| 23:42.01 | stoned | :D |
| 23:42.05 | explody | mutter panner :D |
| 23:42.05 | abrotman | explody: then you're lucky .. please don't advocate it here |
| 23:42.06 | Rerogo | so i'll just use my XP side for stuff like this until it gets cleared up |
| 23:42.08 | explody | paneer* |
| 23:42.14 | stoned | paneer means cheese |
| 23:42.31 | stoned | and that is actually a south indian dish |
| 23:42.35 | explody | abrotman: I didn't advocate anything |
| 23:42.35 | stoned | not pakitani or north indian |
| 23:43.37 | Rerogo | thanks anyway |
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| 23:46.16 | RAHSPUTIN | I would like to adjust the Lamp warmup time using scanimage, i can find any thing in man scanimage nor scanimage -h |
| 23:46.51 | RAHSPUTIN | where else can i look to find an option ? |
| 23:47.43 | RAHSPUTIN | ^^cant find :D |
| 23:48.04 | Nebukadneza | abrotman: hm? |
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| 23:48.21 | abrotman | who ? |
| 23:48.26 | well_real | hi, can i use zfs with debian? |
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| 23:49.16 | bulio_ | How can I configure debian to use 5 NIC cards? |
| 23:49.22 | bulio_ | I want to use debian as a firewall |
| 23:49.23 | unilynx | Anyone run into the issue when using Module-assistant and trying to build for fglrx? Here is the error I end up with - FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 23:49.28 | abrotman | bulio_: configure each NIC |
| 23:49.54 | dondelelcaro | or put them into bridge mode using brctl |
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| 23:50.16 | bulio_ | abrotman: how? |
| 23:50.24 | explody | bulio_: man interfaces |
| 23:50.57 | boulbul | hi, I am having a problem with my camera, I can see on dmesg the following http://pidgin.im/nopaste/296 but I can not mount it as a usb or hard disk, any clues please? |
| 23:51.57 | dkr | hrm. I installed gforge and now when I run ssh or use cvs over ssh it works but I also get output saying "Could not connect to database". I thought this was explanied by "auth sufficient pam_pgsql.so #Added by GForge install" in /etc/pam.d/common-auth but after I removed that I still get the message |
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| 23:53.20 | dkr | oh, duh, well, thats another way to fix it. I edited postgresql config to tcpip_socket = true and now it actually can connect. it's weird that none of this works by default on stable install, I guess gforge isn't very popular |
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| 23:53.36 | brian____ | sudo rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/* am i screwed? |
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| 23:54.01 | brian____ | i made a booboo, how can i rebuild the list of packages that are installed on my system? |
| 23:54.03 | explody | brian____: why in the world would you do that |
| 23:54.07 | dkr | brian____: restore from backup and aptitude update? |
| 23:54.26 | S4nD3r | how to check if I have gtk installled in my gnome box? (etch) |
| 23:54.27 | brian____ | dkr: a backup? ie: i would have had to have set that up? |
| 23:54.33 | explody | yes |
| 23:54.36 | brian____ | fuck |
| 23:54.38 | brian____ | o well :/ |
| 23:54.46 | dondelelcaro | the alternative is to just reinstall them. |
| 23:54.56 | brian____ | the entire system |
| 23:55.00 | brian____ | this is an ubuntu system |
| 23:55.08 | brian____ | it's not devistating or anything |
| 23:55.14 | dondelelcaro | !status-recovery |
| 23:55.15 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 23:55.18 | bulio_ | theres no script to configure all 5 NICS as a gateway? |
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| 23:55.38 | dondelelcaro | bulio_: no, because it's not clear at all what it means to configure them as a router. |
| 23:55.39 | explody | brian____: check out /var/log/dpkg.log, you'll have to sort of guess from the data, but it should have a record of all the installs you've done |
| 23:55.59 | brian____ | i like that dpkg status-recovery :) |
| 23:56.07 | dondelelcaro | ugh. the command is wack. |
| 23:56.14 | abrotman | wack? |
| 23:56.48 | bulio_ | dondelelcaro: I have a machine running debian 4.0, it has 5 NIC cards in it. I want it to act as a firewall/gateway for machines that get plugged into it via Cat5 cable |
| 23:56.57 | explody | !NIC |
| 23:56.58 | dpkg | well, nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 23:57.25 | dondelelcaro | bulio_: install ipmasq, set up the interfaces, install a dhcpd server, and away you go. |
| 23:57.37 | dondelelcaro | bulio_: though why you're using 5 nics instead of two nics and a switch is beyond me. |
| 23:57.43 | explody | he's going to need a bridge |
| 23:58.02 | explody | I think he wants the equivalent of a 4-port dsl router |
| 23:58.02 | abrotman | won't need |
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| 23:58.41 | explody | you'd have to route everything between local machines if you don't bridge... |
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| 23:59.02 | bulio_ | so the machine can't act as a switch? |
| 23:59.05 | explody | yes it can |
| 23:59.22 | bulio_ | well then I want it to act as a firewall/switch |
| 23:59.30 | bulio_ | just like a commercial router, like lynksys |
| 23:59.31 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status-recover =~ s#dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade#xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;# |
| 23:59.31 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: i didn't have anything called 'status-recover' to modify |
| 23:59.39 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status-recovery =~ s#dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade#xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;# |
| 23:59.39 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
