| 00:00.03 | explody | bulio_: check out this to set up some of your interfaces to behave as if they were a switch: http://linux-net.osdl.org/index.php/Bridge |
| 00:00.29 | jm1 | I'm trying to update a sarge box, & it fell apart in the middle because of a linux kernel update, so the apt-get upgrade exited in the midle. is there a way to make sure I'm reverted back to the point before I issued apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:00.52 | explody | and I would recommend shorewall to set up your firewall, but that's just my opinion, it's not required |
| 00:01.04 | explody | note required for firewalling/routing* |
| 00:01.36 | explody | should you want to try it, there are a lot of docs and examples here: http://www.shorewall.net/ |
| 00:02.01 | bulio_ | would it be better to simply use my wireless router as the firewall/switch? |
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| 00:03.18 | explody | better, maybe. easier, yes. |
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| 00:03.35 | explody | but also not remotely as functional and probably not as secure |
| 00:03.50 | brian____ | dondelelcaro? |
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| 00:04.18 | bulio_ | explody: what do you mean by functional |
| 00:04.24 | zapada | is there a way to prevent fonts from blurring on lcds? |
| 00:04.37 | abrotman | turn off Anti-aliasing i guess |
| 00:04.52 | dkr | use native resolution of the lcd |
| 00:05.01 | abrotman | oh .. that too :) |
| 00:05.16 | zapada | dkr: even when i do that it still blurs |
| 00:05.17 | explody | bulio_: well, your wireless router is just a little appliance that does only one thing. If you use a linux box as a firewall/router, you can run all sorts of software on it. intrusion detection, network sniffing, etc. |
| 00:05.25 | zapada | it's weird because it doesn't blur on windows xp |
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| 00:05.47 | explody | turn off sub-pixel hinting |
| 00:05.51 | snowbird | sniffing? |
| 00:05.57 | zapada | explody: it is off |
| 00:06.08 | explody | turn it on then ;) |
| 00:06.14 | dondelelcaro | brian____: ? |
| 00:06.39 | explody | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_sniffer |
| 00:07.03 | unilynx | Has anybody run into the issue when using Module-assistant and trying to build for fglrx? Here is the error I end up with - FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
| 00:07.44 | explody | unilynx: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/6880 <- google hit #3 on "nvidia paravirt_ops" |
| 00:08.16 | unilynx | fglrx |
| 00:08.18 | unilynx | not nvidia |
| 00:08.21 | explody | HAHA |
| 00:09.00 | explody | hell, look at it anyway, it might be relevant |
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| 00:09.40 | brian____ | so what do ya'll recomend for desktop/workstation type stuff |
| 00:09.42 | arpu | hi all |
| 00:09.46 | brian____ | debian or ubuntu? |
| 00:10.06 | brian____ | i've only used debians on servers, never tried it as a workstation/desktop machine |
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| 00:10.10 | explody | unilynx: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg134782.html |
| 00:10.11 | arpu | can somebody help me with exim4 ? and root delivery ? delivery on normal user works fine |
| 00:10.11 | dondelelcaro | brian____: this is #debian, so Debian. |
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| 00:10.22 | tests | hi all |
| 00:10.32 | brian____ | yeah, but jeff foxworthy invented apt |
| 00:10.45 | brian____ | and jacob cummings invented aptitude |
| 00:10.53 | brian____ | sorry, i'm just making shit up |
| 00:10.59 | brian____ | i'm tired, sleep deprived |
| 00:11.02 | azeem | brian____: this is a support channel |
| 00:11.15 | arpu | debian 4.0 ^ |
| 00:11.15 | azeem | you're being off-topic |
| 00:11.16 | brian____ | i need support |
| 00:11.18 | explody | brian____: use whichever you like, just avoid rpm-based distros [ IMHO (tm) ] |
| 00:11.30 | brian____ | later skaters and masturbaters |
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| 00:11.38 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 00:11.39 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:11.40 | adv4cate | [ $echo ] |
| 00:11.43 | ajedwards | moo: os: Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Professional x64 Edition - Service Pack 2 (5.2.3790) up: 2days 11hrs 3mins 32secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ at 2998MHz (42% Load) gfx: ATI Technologies Inc. ATI display adapter (0x9589) 512MB res: 1280x1024 32bit 75Hz ram: 3220/8191MB (39.31%) [||||------] hdd: C:\ 13.07GB/29.29GB G:\ 16.95GB/338.8GB Q:\ 203.99GB/465.76GB V:\ 31.09GB/97.66GB net: Realtek RTL8168_8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethe |
| 00:11.50 | MatBoy | Windows ? |
| 00:12.03 | tests | i need to make an icon for vlc an i dont know how im new with this stuff |
| 00:12.07 | MatBoy | ow damn |
| 00:12.08 | MatBoy | nice |
| 00:12.12 | MatBoy | hehe |
| 00:13.05 | explody | anyone using a stinkpad or other lappy with a synaptics + verttwofingerscroll? |
| 00:13.05 | MatBoy | is that moo from me ? |
| 00:13.14 | abrotman | ajedwards: please turn that off |
| 00:13.32 | MatBoy | abrotman, it doesn't parse the right stuff either ;) |
| 00:13.35 | explody | no doubt, that's more annoying than me |
| 00:13.43 | abrotman | MatBoy: ? |
| 00:13.44 | MatBoy | explody, I never use something that stinks |
| 00:13.55 | MatBoy | abrotman, I'm not on an AMD |
| 00:13.59 | abrotman | explody: i have a thinkpad .. but it's the good kind |
| 00:14.04 | abrotman | MatBoy: that's his box .. not yours |
| 00:14.05 | ajedwards | oh, nice move |
| 00:14.11 | MatBoy | abrotman, ow sorry :) |
| 00:14.16 | ajedwards | abrotman, i didn't do it.. |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | ajedwards: yes you did |
| 00:14.31 | explody | abrotman: do you use vert/horix twofingerscroll? |
| 00:14.34 | ajedwards | abrotman, he typed !moo... |
| 00:14.35 | explody | horiz* |
| 00:14.39 | ajedwards | and abrotman moo: !moo is off |
| 00:14.40 | abrotman | ajedwards: that's nice .. turn your script off |
| 00:14.41 | ajedwards | ok? |
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| 00:14.49 | abrotman | explody: i have a nubby :) |
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| 00:15.00 | explody | ahh I have one of the ones with both |
| 00:15.10 | snowbird | look in manu krfb and drag to desk top thats it |
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| 00:15.21 | explody | I got hooked on the 2-finger thing from a mac we have, but the synaptics is all spazzy when I scroll |
| 00:15.27 | ajedwards | abrotman.. i've been idle here for almost 12 hours, and he hits a common trigger on a remote i didn't realise was loaded.. how is that MY fault? |
| 00:15.32 | uberspaced | I'm using debian etch, I've installed libpam-krb5, ssh-krb5, krb5-user, and have configured my pam modules as documented with libpam-krb5 |
| 00:15.36 | abrotman | ajedwards: it's your irc client |
| 00:15.48 | ajedwards | abrotman, suck one :) |
| 00:15.48 | ajedwards | afk |
| 00:15.48 | uberspaced | I can use kerb passwords to log in, but I cant get in automatically without a ticket. |
| 00:15.55 | uberspaced | any documentation on how to get this working? |
| 00:15.59 | abrotman | asshat |
| 00:16.08 | abrotman | not you :) |
| 00:16.14 | explody | uberspaced: you aren't supposed to get in automatically without a ticket... |
| 00:16.22 | uberspaced | whoops |
| 00:16.24 | uberspaced | rephrasing |
| 00:16.34 | uberspaced | I have a ticket and I cant get in. |
| 00:16.44 | snowbird | abrotman, what ibm? |
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| 00:16.49 | stoned | ticket? |
| 00:16.49 | explody | do you have sshd configured to accept GSSAPI authentication? |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | snowbird: thinkpad |
| 00:17.12 | snowbird | whats speed of it |
| 00:17.15 | explody | sshd doesn't even require pam_krb5 to do kerberos auth, also, it does it all internally |
| 00:17.20 | uberspaced | GSSAPIAuthentication yes |
| 00:17.23 | uberspaced | is in there |
| 00:17.25 | uberspaced | ahh, ok |
| 00:17.36 | explody | KerberosAuthentication? |
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| 00:17.54 | explody | search for Kerberos and GSSAPI in the sshd_config manpage |
| 00:17.55 | uberspaced | KerberosAuthentication yes |
| 00:18.04 | snowbird | abrotman, i got a p75 with xfce and debian slow think pad |
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| 00:18.24 | explody | make sure your client is also configured to use kerberos |
| 00:18.38 | explody | GSSAPIAuthentication yes in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 00:18.50 | explody | also check out GSSAPIDelegateCredentials |
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| 00:18.58 | uberspaced | GSSAPIAuthentication yes |
| 00:19.03 | uberspaced | deligate credentials is a no. |
| 00:19.06 | uberspaced | i'll try that. |
| 00:19.07 | abrotman | snowbird: i have a newer one |
| 00:19.17 | explody | ok get a fresh ticket on your client machine, and run sshd in debug mode |
| 00:19.28 | snowbird | abrotman, 3 gig? |
| 00:19.34 | explody | for example: /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd -p 222 |
| 00:19.50 | explody | then on the client: ssh -vvv -P 222 yoursshserver |
| 00:19.50 | uberspaced | ran kdestroy |
| 00:19.58 | uberspaced | ran kinit |
| 00:20.26 | explody | sshd will spit out a bunch of stuff and somewhere in there is info about what it did with GSSAPI |
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| 00:20.38 | abrotman | snowbird: does it really matter ? |
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| 00:21.04 | snowbird | not realy |
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| 00:22.19 | super_saucy | anyyone know how i can resize a my ext3 partition with fdisk? |
| 00:22.35 | super_saucy | i dont see a resize option in fdisk command line |
| 00:22.50 | uberspaced | explody, ssh -vvv -P 222 servername didn't work: |
| 00:23.02 | uberspaced | Connecting to 222 [0.0.0.222] port 22. |
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| 00:23.09 | uberspaced | err, lower case p? |
| 00:23.11 | explody | make sure you're running the sshd on port 222 first |
| 00:23.15 | explody | for example: /usr/sbin/sshd -ddd -p 222 |
| 00:23.31 | abrotman | super_saucy: google ? |
| 00:23.35 | uberspaced | yeah, that crapped out a lot of info |
| 00:23.57 | uberspaced | (reading) |
| 00:24.26 | claudio` | Hey guys, i done a dist-upgrade and everything seems to be okay (since i didn't reboot, yet :-D). However, i would like to understand well the lines 30-32 of this output: http://rafb.net/p/g5B9vn66.html . Does anyone have an idea? |
| 00:25.15 | super_saucy | abrotman: i guess im googeling righ tnow though |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | good plan |
| 00:25.33 | karsten | claudio`: It's easier to interpret messagesif you run export LANG=C first. |
| 00:25.34 | uberspaced | debug1: userauth-request for user uber service ssh-connection method gssapi-with-mic |
| 00:25.34 | uberspaced | debug1: attempt 1 failures 1 |
| 00:25.34 | uberspaced | debug2: input_userauth_request: try method gssapi-with-mic |
| 00:26.03 | uberspaced | No principal in keytab matches desired name |
| 00:26.03 | abrotman | karsten: the error in question is in english |
| 00:26.04 | explody | uberspaced: pastebin it |
| 00:26.07 | explody | ah there you go |
| 00:26.18 | explody | super common error |
| 00:26.19 | karsten | claudio`: Is that your own kernel or a stock one? Looks as if it's got a spurious symlink. |
| 00:26.22 | claudio` | karsten: i can't do it again since the package has been updated. |
| 00:26.25 | uberspaced | is that because my /etc/krb5.keytab is f'ed up? |
| 00:26.30 | abrotman | claudio`: AIUI .. it was a dangling symlink .. it just removed it .. not a big deal |
| 00:26.33 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, I noticed that, the rest of the text isn't. |
| 00:26.37 | claudio` | karsten: the Debian kernel |
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| 00:26.54 | karsten | claudio`: Reinstalling it should ahve the same effect. |
| 00:27.07 | karsten | claudio`: May be a bug. If you don't find it on BTS, report it. |
| 00:27.07 | uberspaced | i thought because I could authenticate using the kerb password that the host could contact the kdc and auth users. |
| 00:27.13 | abrotman | don't thikn it's a bug at all |
| 00:27.14 | xaque | What is wrong with this crontab? http://pastebin.ca/674218 |
| 00:27.16 | uberspaced | i can kinit on both boxes. |
| 00:27.32 | claudio` | karsten: no, if i try to dist-upgrade there is no more package to install, now. |
| 00:27.47 | claudio` | abrotman: yes, i'm sure. Just i would like to understand why this happened. |
| 00:27.56 | karsten | claudio`: reinstall != dist-upgrade. |
| 00:28.02 | abrotman | claudio`: it tells you why |
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| 00:28.35 | claudio` | karsten: i suppose it'll not got error again, since the symlink has been removed |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | claudio`: yes it would |
| 00:29.01 | uberspaced | explody, I'm googling it; anything I should look for? |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | claudio`: the package contains that symlink .. but it's still not a big deal |
| 00:29.22 | karsten | claudio`: You can suppose. Or you can actually try it and see. |
| 00:29.30 | uberspaced | KRB5_KTNAME env variable? |
| 00:29.50 | explody | one sec |
| 00:29.54 | uberspaced | sure |
| 00:30.03 | xaque | Any ideas why that crontab fails to run? |
| 00:30.17 | MatBoy | abrotman, maybe you know if there is something like snoopylogger but than more recent development ? |
| 00:30.19 | karsten | xaque: It's tired? |
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| 00:30.51 | karsten | xaque: check /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log, permissions on the contab file(s) in question, ownership. |
| 00:30.54 | explody | uberspaced: yes, make sure of several things: |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | MatBoy: ttysnoop ? |
| 00:31.04 | _strcpy | hi . any volunteer for helping me fixing some nasty apt-get problems ? |
| 00:31.08 | MatBoy | abrotman, maybe :) |
| 00:31.13 | abrotman | _strcpy: just ask |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | MatBoy: i dont' know what snoopylogger does |
| 00:31.20 | claudio` | ok, that's the output: http://rafb.net/p/NgqAwO50.html |
| 00:31.22 | explody | make sure the server has the proper keytab in /etc/krb5.keytab; make sure the KVNO is the same as in the KDC |
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| 00:31.35 | _strcpy | abrotman, if it`s ok I`ll begin pasting logs in pm ! |
| 00:31.37 | MatBoy | abrotman, it logs all the exec's that are made on the system |
| 00:31.44 | explody | make sure the forward and reverse DNS records are valid for the server |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | _strcpy: not to me you won't |
| 00:31.47 | uberspaced | explody, I've just extracted it |
| 00:31.47 | abrotman | !paste |
| 00:31.47 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 00:31.48 | MatBoy | abrotman, as far as I can see, ttysnoop does the same |
| 00:31.54 | uberspaced | forward and revers lookups work |
| 00:32.07 | uberspaced | how do i check KVNO? |
| 00:32.10 | _strcpy | abrotman, don`t worry I`ll begin pasting small one :p |
| 00:32.16 | explody | klist -k /path/to/extracted/key |
| 00:32.30 | abrotman | _strcpy: do not msg me |
| 00:32.37 | uberspaced | ok |
| 00:32.45 | _strcpy | ok man ! |
| 00:32.56 | claudio` | Interesting news? |
| 00:33.10 | explody | oh, also check the KDC logs right away, they may tell you exactly what is wrong |
| 00:33.59 | _strcpy | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/OEmes162.html |
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| 00:34.13 | uberspaced | explody, ok; Im looking into the keytab stuff right now |
| 00:34.17 | explody | uberspaced: the KRB5_KTNAME thing is openldap-specific, sshd should look for /etc/krb5.keytab by default |
| 00:34.20 | uberspaced | i thought because I could kinit that stuff would work. |
| 00:34.21 | xaque | karsten: I have. Nothing shows up in the log. The */5 record for echo should print a lot of infomration over a day. I see nothing. |
| 00:34.28 | explody | kinit is purely client-side |
| 00:34.44 | explody | all you need for kinit to work is a krb5.conf and the kinit binary |
| 00:34.45 | _strcpy | here is _begining_ of my problem . anybody can help ? --> http://rafb.net/p/OEmes162.html |
| 00:34.51 | xaque | karsten: any other ideas? Do I need to tell cron to read this file somewhere. Permissions are the same as the logrotate script next to it in the same dir. |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | _strcpy: and what's in the file in /tmp/ ? |
| 00:35.29 | karsten | xaque: Um, cron *mails* its output, Is mail configured? |
| 00:35.29 | claudio` | abrotman, karsten, did you read the output? |
| 00:35.38 | karsten | xaque: Try: '* * * * * touch /tmp/crontest' |
| 00:35.40 | xaque | karsten: yes, to a mail server working properly |
| 00:35.52 | abrotman | claudio`: i already told you |
| 00:35.52 | xaque | karsten: good idea |
| 00:35.58 | karsten | xaque: ... and check for existance of that file at the top of the minute. |
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| 00:36.30 | abrotman | _strcpy: did you check the bts ? |
| 00:36.31 | claudio` | abrotman: sorry, i've probably missed something. Can you repeat? |
| 00:36.31 | xaque | karsten: also, do I need to inform cron of the change I made to the cron, or does it read it every minute? |
| 00:36.39 | _strcpy | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/63nW6911.html |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | claudio`: the packaged contains a dangling symlink .. it removed it.. it's not a big deal |
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| 00:37.26 | abrotman | _strcpy: checked the bts ? |
| 00:37.28 | _strcpy | no abrotman , never tried it |
| 00:37.28 | mehdi | Update Your Opera |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | mehdi: no |
| 00:37.38 | mehdi | http://hyip-man.blogspot.com/2007/08/opera-javascript-invalid-pointer.html |
| 00:37.49 | abrotman | mehdi: please don't spam us .. |
| 00:37.55 | abrotman | _strcpy: so go look |
| 00:38.00 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 00:38.04 | claudio` | abrotman: ok, THX. |
| 00:38.14 | mehdi | ok but this isnt spam |
| 00:38.23 | abrotman | mehdi: opera isn't in debian |
| 00:38.25 | explody | did someone solicit you? |
| 00:38.25 | xaque | karsten: nothing was created. |
| 00:38.25 | karsten | xaque: It re-reads crontab every minute |
| 00:38.27 | uberspaced | explody, what's the command for checking the version of a principal in kadmin? |
| 00:38.48 | explody | uberspaced: getprinc principal@REALM.COM |
| 00:38.53 | MatBoy | abrotman, nice, thanks ! |
| 00:39.10 | explody | uberspaced: the kvno is in the output from getprinc |
| 00:39.44 | _strcpy | abrotman, I don`t think it help me much ,. how can it be usefull for me ? |
| 00:39.51 | super_saucy | how could i check current mount poitn? |
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| 00:39.54 | claudio` | Uhm.. and why apt run /sbin/update-grub rather than /usr/sbin/update-grub? I haven't the full path in my postinst_hook inside the /etc/kernel-img.conf file. |
| 00:39.54 | abrotman | because you're running unstable ? |
| 00:40.04 | explody | super_saucy: df -k . |
| 00:40.07 | super_saucy | ok thanks |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | claudio`: ls -l /sbin/update-grub |
| 00:40.43 | claudio` | abrotman: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 616 2007-03-30 07:42 /sbin/update-grub |
| 00:40.46 | f00li5h | can someone remind me how i stop my syslog being dumped on the console? |
| 00:41.04 | super_saucy | explody: whats /mnt for then? |
| 00:41.12 | karsten | xaque: OK, then something's not working right. Is cron running? |
| 00:41.21 | karsten | xaque: /etc/init.d/cron stop; /etc/init.d/cron start |
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| 00:41.26 | xaque | karsten: yes |
| 00:41.30 | explody | super_saucy: for mounting things...CDs, iso images, whatever |
| 00:41.36 | super_saucy | ok |
| 00:41.37 | karsten | xaque: Is user prohibited from running cronjobs? |
| 00:41.44 | super_saucy | im learning and trying to do LFS |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | claudio`: cat /sbin/update-grub |
| 00:41.56 | super_saucy | so it wants me to mount file system on /mnt/lfs |
| 00:42.01 | xaque | karsten: I have * * * * * root command, so its root, and root is in /etc/cron.allow |
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| 00:42.33 | pantos | hi |
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| 00:42.56 | explody | super_saucy: just "mkdir /mnt/lfs" |
| 00:43.03 | claudio` | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/tXv9ZQ63.html |
| 00:43.14 | karsten | xaque: /etc/crontab or /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<username> ? |
| 00:43.14 | abrotman | claudio`: i know what it says .. did you read it ? |
| 00:43.22 | explody | super_saucy: for example, I have things like /mnt/cdrom, /mnt/iso; /mnt/nfs, |
| 00:43.25 | xaque | karsten: there is no configuration for cron to tell it to read the crontabs in /etc/cron.d is there? I don't need an entry in /etc/crontab telling cron to read it. |
| 00:43.29 | explody | subdirectories are fine |
| 00:43.30 | claudio` | abrotman: i'm reading it |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | _strcpy: do not do that again |
| 00:43.42 | karsten | xaque: If /etc/cron.allow exists, IIRC, only the users explicitly mentioned in there can run. |
| 00:43.44 | _strcpy | sorry ! |
| 00:43.53 | abrotman | _strcpy: you're running unstable .. things break |
| 00:43.58 | xaque | karsten: right, which I am doing properly |
| 00:44.00 | karsten | xaque: I think /etc/cron.d/ is automatic. |
| 00:44.08 | explody | f00li5h: remove the lines about /dev/tty* and/or /dev/*console from your syslog.conf |
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| 00:44.18 | xaque | karsten: if I setup a crontab using crontab -e, which will create a spool crontab, everything works fine. |
| 00:44.38 | Codenut | Hello to all |
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| 00:44.53 | brian__ | hI |
| 00:45.04 | claudio` | abrotman: so? I suppose i have to update /etc/kernel-img.conf and read NEWS.Debian[1] following its instruction. But i still don't know why this warning message has not been shown. |
| 00:45.20 | karsten | xaque: Note that the *system* crontab is: <minute> <hour> <day of month> <month> <day of week> <user to run as> <command> |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | _strcpy: if you can't find a bug that relates .. you can try filing a bug |
| 00:45.30 | explody | * bulio_ has quit (No route to host) <- he's learning iptables, harhar |
| 00:45.31 | karsten | xaque: Also, '%' is a special character in crontab. |
| 00:45.32 | simonrvn | !kernel printk |
| 00:45.36 | abrotman | claudio`: it wsa shown |
| 00:45.38 | simonrvn | !kernel.printk |
| 00:45.40 | xaque | karsten: also, other crontabs that are in /etc/cron.d are working, like logrotate. |
| 00:45.51 | f00li5h | explody: handy |
| 00:45.52 | f00li5h | thanks |
| 00:45.57 | brian__ | I just installed debian onto my laptop but the mouse sensitivity is so low it's impossible to naviage with |
| 00:46.01 | brian__ | my touch pad |
| 00:46.05 | explody | f00li5h: de nada |
| 00:46.09 | xaque | karsten: right, and I have 5 fields for the time delegation, one for the user, and then the command. |
| 00:46.11 | simonrvn | f00li5h: /msg dpkg printk |
| 00:46.12 | xaque | what is % |
| 00:46.16 | xaque | karsten: ^^ |
| 00:46.19 | explody | brian__: funny, mine is the opposite |
| 00:46.30 | brian__ | I've turnd the sensitivity up in using the configuration widget |
| 00:46.31 | linuxtk10 | if i have a new kernel is their any way i can test befor i run it ? |
| 00:46.32 | explody | brian__: assuming it's a synaptics pad, try "synclient" |
| 00:46.35 | karsten | xaque: command / input seperator. |
| 00:46.40 | karsten | xaque: man 5 crontab |
| 00:46.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with this error? http://paste.debian.net/35646 |
| 00:46.48 | xaque | karsten: as opposed to ;, I got it. |
| 00:46.56 | jamonation | linuxtk10: just keep a backup of your current kernel |
| 00:46.57 | claudio` | abrotman: where? |
| 00:47.04 | Codenut | If I i install debian sarge from a disk I have from a book, how do I upgrade to ETCH? |
| 00:47.07 | explody | linuxtk10: no, just don't remove the old entries from /boot/grub/menu.lst so you can fall back to an older kernel if the new one does not work |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | claudio`: you pasted it |
| 00:47.14 | brian__ | explody, yeah I think it is, thanks |
| 00:47.19 | jamonation | Codenut: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 00:47.22 | claudio` | abrotman: i'm reading my last paste but without matching that string |
| 00:47.23 | karsten | xaque: Not quite, it's treated as a newline, any following content is treated as stdin for the command given. |
| 00:47.27 | linuxtk10 | explody: i use lilo and its a remote server |
| 00:47.27 | _strcpy | abrotman, looking for stable rep. for debian , to insert into my sources.list |
| 00:47.30 | claudio` | abrotman: maybe should i check the previous one? |
| 00:47.34 | explody | linuxtk10: scary |
| 00:47.35 | abrotman | _strcpy: you're not running stable |
| 00:47.37 | xaque | karsten: I see |
| 00:47.43 | abrotman | claudio`: jsut change the file it told you to chnage |
| 00:47.52 | linuxtk10 | explody: but lilo has a feature to only run a kernel once |
| 00:47.55 | super_saucy | explody: thanks dude =) |
| 00:47.57 | f00li5h | explody: i don't have references to either of those |
| 00:47.59 | explody | linuxtk10: use the config of your running kernel as the oldconfig for your new kernel, and you'll have a good chance of being OK |
| 00:48.00 | Codenut | Thank you jamonation |
| 00:48.02 | super_saucy | explody<-rocks |
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| 00:48.08 | f00li5h | explody: in syslog.conf, that is |
| 00:48.12 | abrotman | you filled explody with rocks ? |
| 00:48.14 | _strcpy | abrotman, yes I got the point . now I`m trying to update and try again with stable-release repositories |
| 00:48.17 | linuxtk10 | explody: the kernel was already compiled :D |
| 00:48.18 | abrotman | you can't |
| 00:48.21 | jamonation | Codenut: thanks dpkg ;) |
| 00:48.23 | explody | linuxtk10: yes but if it panicks on bootup, it's not going to retry, it's going ot lock up |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | _strcpy: you can't downgrade |
| 00:48.25 | linuxtk10 | i think it will be fine |
| 00:48.28 | brian__ | explody, I searched for a package with that name in synaptic, but the only result is for a package that is already installed |
| 00:48.30 | xaque | karsten: do the files need to be executable? |
| 00:48.32 | explody | super_saucy: no problem |
| 00:48.35 | MatBoy | abrotman, what I want to do is monitor every tty automaticly in a seperate file, so when the tty exists.. monitor it... this because of scripts that login when I don't know they login... is various |
| 00:48.42 | explody | f00li5h: yes, sorry if I didn't say that |
| 00:48.45 | linuxtk10 | explody: i can do a hardreset from here |
| 00:48.46 | claudio` | abrotman: sure but i really would like to understand first. Why apt didn't show me that message? |
| 00:48.58 | explody | linuxtk10: check for /proc/config.gz |
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| 00:49.10 | abrotman | claudio`: pretty sure it did |
| 00:49.17 | explody | linuxtk10: config of the running kernel, if it was configured with that feature |
| 00:49.20 | abrotman | MatBoy: ttysnoop can't do that ? |
| 00:49.23 | claudio` | abrotman: please, help me to find where. |
| 00:49.35 | explody | brian__: yes, try "man synclient" and "synclient -l" |
| 00:49.36 | karsten | xaque: In /etc/cron.d/ yes. /etc/crontab, /etc/cron.{hourly,daily,weekly,monthly}, no. |
| 00:49.49 | abrotman | claudio`: look through your posts |
| 00:49.57 | MatBoy | abrotman, as far as I can see, no... or I should open a lot of TTY logs by default |
| 00:49.58 | explody | f00li5h: oh sorry, getting swamped here |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | claudio`: or just change the file and forget about it |
| 00:50.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with this error? http://paste.debian.net/35646 |
| 00:50.05 | explody | f00li5h: pastebin your syslog.conf |
| 00:50.11 | abrotman | MatBoy: i don't use it .. i odn't spy on users :) |
| 00:50.35 | claudio` | abrotman: this is not much helpful, anyway THX for your time. |
| 00:50.37 | explody | abrotman: why not, that's half the fun >:) |
| 00:50.41 | xaque | karsten: do you know if I can still use @daily in cron.d/* |
| 00:50.47 | abrotman | claudio`: sure it is .. it gets rid of the warning |
| 00:50.49 | linuxtk10 | whats the difference between sudo and su ? |
| 00:50.59 | linuxtk10 | i mean just one runs one command ? |
| 00:51.07 | karsten | xaque: manpage says yes. |
| 00:51.11 | MatBoy | abrotman, hehe, I only need to see what a script between servers does... I trust my people :) |
| 00:51.23 | explody | abrotman: is he still harping on those totally unimportant warnings from the kernel build? |
| 00:51.29 | karsten | linuxtk10: sudo prompts for user password, *not* root password. |
| 00:51.30 | abrotman | no ... |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | MatBoy: strace ? |
| 00:51.46 | karsten | linuxtk10: It's also configurable via /etc/sudoers to a pretty fine level. |
| 00:51.47 | MatBoy | abrotman, package ? |
| 00:51.52 | abrotman | strace |
| 00:51.57 | linuxtk10 | karsten: ah |
| 00:52.05 | jamonation | su runs another shell, sudo just lets you run individual commands |
| 00:52.16 | MatBoy | abrotman, wow, that can be it indeed |
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| 00:52.21 | jamonation | so su gets you good stuff like a proper PATH etc. |
| 00:52.22 | explody | jamonation: that is not accurate, "su" runs whatever you tell it to |
| 00:52.30 | abrotman | jamonation: su can run just one command also |
| 00:52.32 | explody | not necessarily a shell |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | and sudo can inherit the env also |
| 00:52.46 | explody | selectively, even |
| 00:53.01 | karsten | jamonation: You can do that with sudo: sudo -i |
| 00:53.17 | jamonation | karsten: thats's what I use typically |
| 00:53.19 | linuxtk10 | whats different between sulogin and sudo ? |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | linuxtk10: read the man pages |
| 00:53.33 | explody | sulogin is a longer word |
| 00:53.41 | linuxtk10 | huh? |
| 00:53.44 | linuxtk10 | so same thing ? |
| 00:53.45 | explody | that was a joke |
| 00:53.46 | abrotman | linuxtk10: read the man pages |
| 00:54.04 | explody | what abrotman said |
| 00:54.17 | abrotman | !tell linuxtk10 about grounding |
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| 00:54.39 | linuxtk10 | i am readign the man page |
| 00:54.46 | linuxtk10 | still not clear to me if they are 2 of the same |
| 00:54.51 | explody | no they are not |
| 00:54.56 | abrotman | read them again |
| 00:54.59 | karsten | 200. |
| 00:55.05 | explody | hahah |
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| 00:55.31 | penguinpowered | how do i change permissions on folers and all files in that folder with one command? |
| 00:55.36 | abrotman | man chmod |
| 00:55.39 | penguinpowered | folders* |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | and files also ? |
| 00:55.46 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 00:55.46 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 00:55.47 | uberspaced | f00li5h, wassa goin awn? |
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| 00:55.54 | penguinpowered | files within the folder |
| 00:55.58 | abrotman | penguinpowered: man chmod |
| 00:56.04 | uberspaced | explody, no luck. version numbers match, reverse lookups match |
| 00:56.06 | _strcpy | how can I revert back to a stable release ? my listed repositories in sources.list were "unstable & testing" sources. box is runing a local HD install of Auditor live cd , which is based on debian |
| 00:56.13 | abrotman | _strcpy: i told you .. you can't |
| 00:56.16 | uberspaced | on each box I can log in using my kerb password but the login doesnt happen automatically |
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| 00:56.22 | uberspaced | kdc logs show nothing out of the ordinary |
| 00:56.34 | uberspaced | i bet it has something to do with gssapi-with-mic or something |
| 00:56.35 | ttuttle | Stupid question... is there a "master" LaTeX package that installs everything I need to use LaTeX? |
| 00:56.42 | explody | uberspaced: try ssh-ing to both "host" and "host.domain.com" see if one works |
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| 00:56.50 | f00li5h | my syslog.conf is the default, perhaps it's just shorewall that's dumping crap |
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| 00:57.02 | abrotman | ttuttle: texlive maybe ? |
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| 00:57.03 | explody | uberspaced: it's a super common error and it almost always means some name somewhere is out of whack |
| 00:57.04 | _strcpy | abrotman, but there must b a way? :/ |
| 00:57.11 | abrotman | _strcpy: no .. there is not a way |
| 00:57.12 | uberspaced | explody, yeah |
| 00:57.12 | explody | uberspaced: kerberos is very touchy |
| 00:57.14 | simonrvn | f00li5h: iptables will do that. checked out /msg dpkg printk yet? |
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| 00:57.30 | f00li5h | simonrvn: i did, but i didn't do anything with it |
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| 00:57.37 | f00li5h | i was still rummaging in syslog.conf |
| 00:57.54 | _strcpy | abrotman, what will happen if I simply edit rep. list and add debian 3.1 repository to it , and retry ? |
| 00:57.59 | f00li5h | I did have something like that on the previous incarnation of this system |
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| 00:58.07 | simonrvn | it works ;) |
| 00:58.12 | abrotman | _strcpy: first of all 3.1 isn't stable .. secondly .. i already told you .. you don't believe .. do it anyways .. not my box |
| 00:58.17 | abrotman | don't believe me |
| 00:58.23 | ttuttle | hmm |
| 00:58.40 | penguinpowered | as usual no answers here |
| 00:58.40 | _strcpy | abrotman, and what you consider as a stable release ? |
| 00:58.43 | uberspaced | explody, on each host I can log in using the kerb password... |
| 00:58.46 | uberspaced | very frustrating. |
| 00:58.52 | explody | but not with ssh... |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | _strcpy: if you want to try it .. go ahead ... |
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| 00:59.10 | simonrvn | no answers handed to you on a silver plate you mean |
| 00:59.22 | _strcpy | abrotman, I`m really asking to learn ! :) don`t think bad |
| 00:59.30 | uberspaced | explody, yes, I can type ssh hostname and enter my kerb password. |
| 00:59.31 | abrotman | _strcpy: debian.org .. start reading |
| 00:59.50 | explody | uberspaced: ok that's odd |
| 01:00.05 | ttuttle | What is texlive? |
| 01:00.24 | abrotman | Description: TeX Live: A decent selection of the TeX Live packages |
| 01:00.32 | ttuttle | abrotman: That's not very helpful. |
| 01:00.35 | uberspaced | explody, what all should I have to do to get it working? |
| 01:00.38 | f00li5h | where do I set kernel.printk? |
| 01:00.41 | ttuttle | abrotman: That's like saying Debian is a collection of Debian packages. |
| 01:00.43 | xjkx | why i cant do mv Linux linux ? |
| 01:00.57 | simonrvn | f00li5h: read factoid again (i think it has the gory details) |
| 01:00.58 | abrotman | ttuttle: moment .. i'll find the URL |
| 01:00.58 | uberspaced | just get my krb5.conf, krb5.keytab, install ssh-krb5, modify the configs to allow gssapi and kerberos auth |
| 01:01.07 | ttuttle | xjkx: Are you on a fat filesystem? |
| 01:01.15 | f00li5h | simonrvn: it tells me to read dos for sysctl |
| 01:01.17 | uberspaced | i figure nothing's wrong with the keytabs because it does auth me against my kerb password. |
| 01:01.21 | ttuttle | xjkx: They're not case sensitive. |
| 01:01.24 | f00li5h | and to check a file in my kernel sources |
| 01:01.28 | simonrvn | ssh-krb5 is just a meta-package; enable the gssapi stuff in sshd_config |
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| 01:01.48 | simonrvn | f00li5h: /etc/sysctl.conf; when you're done, sysctl -p |
| 01:01.55 | uberspaced | simonrvn, already did. |
| 01:01.57 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2007/06/msg00169.html |
| 01:02.02 | xaque | karsten: thank you! |
| 01:02.09 | simonrvn | f00li5h: format: foo.bar (or foo/bar) = value |
| 01:02.16 | xjkx | ttuttle: Thanks |
| 01:02.52 | f00li5h | kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
| 01:03.00 | ttuttle | xjkx: np |
| 01:03.04 | f00li5h | this is defaulted and commented out, is that a sensible value? |
| 01:03.05 | simonrvn | put it at 3 4 1 7 |
| 01:03.16 | simonrvn | and uncomment |
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| 01:03.41 | uberspaced | bah. wife's a callin |
| 01:03.46 | uberspaced | explody, thanks for the help. |
| 01:03.50 | uberspaced | laters. |
| 01:04.02 | f00li5h | sysctl just printed kernel.printk = 3 4 1 7 and exited 0, does that mean it worked? |
| 01:04.02 | explody | FOOD |
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| 01:04.19 | simonrvn | yup |
| 01:04.29 | BoBoB | error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:04.30 | BoBoB | :( |
| 01:04.31 | simonrvn | should be a nice queit console now |
| 01:04.35 | simonrvn | quiet* |
| 01:04.37 | BoBoB | how fix this error ? |
| 01:04.44 | simonrvn | install it |
| 01:04.46 | f00li5h | simonrvn: i'll be sure to check that next time i'm at the console ;) |
| 01:04.51 | explody | apt-cache search pcre |
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| 01:05.25 | simonrvn | f00li5h: =) |
| 01:05.55 | Codenut | When I tried to apt-get install irssi and it was not available but may be refered to by another package. I am after a CLUI irc client |
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| 01:06.06 | ajksdflkj | hi guys |
| 01:06.07 | BoBoB | explody but how is good :(( ? |
| 01:06.12 | simonrvn | Codenut: /msg dpkg search |
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| 01:06.22 | BoBoB | for fix this error |
| 01:06.22 | BoBoB | error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:06.31 | Codenut | thanks sionrvn |
| 01:06.59 | abrotman | BoBoB: likely need a symlink |
| 01:07.07 | simonrvn | BoBoB: explody just told you what to look for to fix that, and install |
| 01:07.21 | simonrvn | running ldconfig will probably fix it ;p |
| 01:08.35 | abrotman | !tell explody about away |
| 01:08.42 | explody | that was not automated |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | that's sad |
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| 01:09.11 | explody | yes, yes it was |
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| 01:09.42 | explody | it was also relevant given that last question :P |
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| 01:10.13 | explody | I'm being mean, I need food. later |
| 01:10.14 | simonrvn | at least s/he's aware it was sad ;p |
| 01:10.19 | explody | (it) |
| 01:10.21 | BoBoB | man i can`t run snort_inline :(( |
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| 01:10.55 | BoBoB | for i don`t have this file |
| 01:11.01 | simonrvn | ok, the thing that's about to go eat some of its food over there is aware that that was sad :P |
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| 01:11.45 | jnsears | What does it mean when i look at a directory with ls -al as user www-data and i see ?----------? ? ? ? in place of the permissions. Everything looks normal as root. |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | it's broken |
| 01:12.07 | jnsears | what do i do? |
| 01:12.14 | MatBoy | is there an easy command to add and remove /sbin/nologin from a user ? |
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| 01:12.26 | triplc | hi all |
| 01:12.59 | stoned | awe man |
| 01:13.17 | stoned | I just googled saved by the bell and it was like being back in jr. high again lol |
| 01:13.19 | BoBoB | look man |
| 01:13.19 | BoBoB | ./snort_inline |
| 01:13.19 | BoBoB | ./snort_inline: error while loading shared libraries: libpcre.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:13.26 | BoBoB | how fix it :(( ? |
| 01:13.28 | jamonation | MatBoy: try chsh |
| 01:13.37 | MatBoy | stoned, are you not tired being stoned every day ? OK, you can see it otherwise maybe... when we are stoned... itÅ› the same when you feel clean :P |
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| 01:13.47 | MatBoy | jamonation, ok :) |
| 01:13.59 | jamonation | dunno if that lets you add nologin, but if you change a shell, that will remove nologin if it's present |
| 01:14.01 | stoned | MatBoy: I'm sorry, did you say something? |
| 01:14.37 | triplc | how to block Yahoo chat? my boss want me to block yahoo chat during working hour, and i think it could be done using iptables (we are using debian as the router here)... but it does not work even i block port 5000-5050, block access to login.yahoo.com (except port 80/443). can you please help to tell how to block yahoo? |
| 01:14.41 | MatBoy | stoned, 3:15 again here... than you get such stuff... yeah I think I had a brainfart :P |
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| 01:15.05 | stoned | MatBoy: what are you talking about? |
| 01:15.16 | MatBoy | stoned, nm |
| 01:15.28 | BoBoB | omg |
| 01:15.30 | BoBoB | stoned ? |
| 01:15.30 | stoned | MatBoy: now you see why this is my nickname ;) |
| 01:15.31 | MatBoy | *Never Mind :) |
| 01:15.32 | triplc | in fact, with that ports and some cxx.msc.yahoo.com blocked... Gaim is indeed block... but not the windoze based yahoo messenger |
| 01:15.34 | BoBoB | how fix this error ? |
| 01:15.35 | stoned | BoBoB: ? |
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| 01:15.39 | MatBoy | stoned, hehe :P |
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| 01:15.47 | infernix | what would cause famd to eat 99% cpu on a quad core system? |
| 01:15.51 | _strcpy | triplc, you should filter any domain that messenger try to connect ,not only protocol ports |
| 01:15.53 | sysop | hey anyone have use kdialog? I want to figure out how to use the --embed option |
| 01:16.04 | MatBoy | stoned, can you also program in twice the speed normal people do ? :P |
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| 01:16.06 | triplc | (sorry to ask the question of block chatting, we are all like chatting) |
| 01:16.25 | brian__ | I'm having problems with mouse sensitivity, i've done synclient -l to view the settings but can't figure out which settings are required to increase sensitivity. Google yeilded no useful results |
| 01:16.32 | stoned | I can name all planets in under half a second. |
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| 01:16.48 | triplc | _strcpy: how to detect domain? because the iptabes does not work on domain name (like squid) |
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| 01:16.54 | abrotman | BoBoB: is there any libpcre.so on your system ? |
| 01:16.57 | stoned | mvemjsnup. |
| 01:17.05 | infernix | hmm, do I really need famd in the first place? |
| 01:17.15 | jamonation | triplc: use wireshark to take a look |
| 01:17.25 | BoBoB | abrotman i don`t know :) |
| 01:17.30 | abrotman | so find out |
| 01:17.37 | BoBoB | how ? |
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| 01:18.02 | abrotman | !tell root1 about root |
| 01:18.04 | abrotman | BoBoB: look ? |
| 01:18.28 | triplc | jamonation: i did try to use wireshark... and see that client check login.yahoo.com |
| 01:18.43 | triplc | jamonation: then I block that login, and it dies |
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| 01:19.00 | triplc | jamonation: but by blocking login.... the yahoo mail dies too |
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| 01:19.23 | abrotman | take away admin rights on the desktops ? |
| 01:19.25 | triplc | jamonation: people still need email |
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| 01:22.41 | wimpies | when I plug in my external harddisk through USB, it is detected but not automounted. what might be wrong ? |
| 01:23.57 | zinx | you might have forgotten to plug the power in |
| 01:24.08 | zinx | oh wait, i didn't read what you said :x |
| 01:24.09 | troubled | Winkie: vfat isnt auto mounted in debian |
| 01:24.18 | troubled | wimpies: ^^^ |
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| 01:24.39 | zinx | it is if you set it up |
| 01:24.45 | troubled | "if" |
| 01:24.55 | wimpies | troubled : the external disk is formatted ext3 |
| 01:25.16 | troubled | wimpies: ah ok |
| 01:25.29 | zinx | gnome-volume-manager or somesuch |
| 01:25.38 | troubled | have you installed any auto mounters yet? |
| 01:25.55 | wimpies | troubled : I run KDE ? |
| 01:25.58 | troubled | sec, ill see which one I use |
| 01:26.03 | zinx | KDE has its own |
| 01:26.22 | troubled | ya, but that should compliment a real non X one |
| 01:26.28 | wimpies | zinx : yes because when I plug in a CD or a PEN it works but the disk ? |
| 01:26.43 | jamonation | triplc: so don't block the auth server, block the ip of the messenger server(s)? |
| 01:26.44 | zinx | troubled: they all use hal these days afaik |
| 01:27.20 | troubled | oh the joy of having 10 of everything..... |
| 01:27.23 | zinx | wimpies: media and drives are considered to be different things probably |
| 01:27.33 | jm1 | is there a way to rollback a package that is half installed with an unmet dependency |
| 01:28.09 | triplc | jamonation: ok, i'll check with wireshark again |
| 01:28.12 | wimpies | zinx : flash pen is that media ? it is disk too ... |
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| 01:28.17 | sigp239 | when does .22 go into testing? |
| 01:28.31 | zinx | wimpies: i don't know what your "volume manager"/whatever thinks it is :/ |
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| 01:29.51 | troubled | wimpies: well, i swore I used usbmount, but i dont seem to have it installed |
| 01:30.03 | jnsears | When i look at a directory with ls -al as user www-data and i see ?----------? ? ? ? in place of the permissions. Everything looks normal as root but I get ???? as every other user. Is there anything I can do to fix this? |
| 01:30.27 | karsten | xaque: What did I do now? |
| 01:30.39 | dondelelcaro | jnsears: uh... that usually means that something is wrong with your filesystem or you've got selinux or something else which is not allowing you to see what they are |
| 01:31.08 | wimpies | so I need some helper program ? |
| 01:31.12 | jnsears | dondelelcaro: no selinux. everything has been normal for some time, this just happened today for the first time. |
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| 01:31.54 | dondelelcaro | jnsears: yeah, I'd suspect filesystem corruption |
| 01:31.56 | troubled | wimpies: apt-get install usbmount perhaps help you? seems there are a few of them that do the same though. |
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| 01:33.09 | wimpies | troubled : trying now |
| 01:34.10 | troubled | hmmm, as suspected, i _did_ have usbmount installed on 06-28 2007 |
| 01:34.20 | troubled | it would appear its been "removed" |
| 01:34.25 | karsten | troubled: Why would anyone need a trouble daemon? |
| 01:34.34 | troubled | dondelelcaro: log location for apt related installs/uninstalls plz? |
| 01:35.09 | troubled | karsten: the question is, why wouldn't you need one? |
| 01:35.28 | xaque | karsten: it was a typo man. Thanks for your time |
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| 01:36.25 | karsten | xaque: Ah. |
| 01:36.30 | dondelelcaro | troubled: /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude |
| 01:36.31 | karsten | xaque: What was the nature of the typo? |
| 01:36.53 | karsten | troubled: Nobody knows the troubled I've seen. |
| 01:36.55 | troubled | thanks don. although I suspect that was my last install...better safe to check though. never know |
| 01:37.09 | troubled | karsten: ha |
| 01:37.30 | jm1 | I'm trying to upgrade a sarge box, but the upgrade got cancelled part way through, and now I have a kernel-image stuck with a dependency on initrd-tools. Is there a way to roll back to the old kernel? |
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| 01:37.41 | jm1 | I can't seem to get initrd-tools installed. |
| 01:38.05 | karsten | jm1: Rule 1: don't uninstall working kernels. |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | why did it cancel ? |
| 01:38.22 | karsten | jm1: Rule #2: Just reinstall the prior kernel. |
| 01:38.25 | troubled | ok, as I figured, i reinstalled a week later :) |
| 01:39.10 | karsten | jm1: You *can* uninstall working kernels after you've confirmed the replacement works properly, natch. Keep a boot disk (knoppix, lnx-bbc, etc.) around to recover as needed. |
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| 01:39.25 | bulio| | how can I restart ssh? |
| 01:39.29 | jm1 | karsten: I tryied to apt-get install <old-kernel> but it said that it wasn't available. I think this came down in a repository update. |
| 01:39.33 | bulio| | /etc/init.d/ssh doesnt exist |
| 01:39.34 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 01:39.41 | jm1 | karsten: lucky for me this is a remote box. |
| 01:39.43 | troubled | bulio|: openssh or something |
| 01:40.09 | troubled | nm im thinkin openbsd-inetd, it should be ssh if its installed |
| 01:40.13 | rox | bulio|: what happened to your initi script? |
| 01:40.30 | abrotman | it wasn't called 'ssh' in sarge |
| 01:40.32 | bulio| | rox: its here |
| 01:40.38 | bulio| | this is etch |
| 01:40.39 | xaque | karsten: I have a script that dumps global and local crontabs into a file for cron.d and I had left out the user specification on the local crontab. |
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| 01:41.19 | jm1 | karsten: or unlucky for me, as it were. |
| 01:41.24 | xaque | Anyone know where to get dual monitor backgrounds or widescreen photos? |
| 01:41.41 | dondelelcaro | 4chan |
| 01:41.55 | jm1 | Is what happned here that the old kernal was obsoleted from the apt-source list that I recieved when I ran apt-get update? |
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| 01:43.23 | zinx | xaque: dual monitor, dunno. try http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/index.php for some widescreen though |
| 01:43.28 | wimpies | troubled : usbmount is not what I need. It looks like the hald should request the mount but it does not |
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| 01:44.49 | Sivik | im running rdesktop, is there a way to transfer files that way like you can between windows system from a windows system to a linux system? |
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| 01:45.08 | xaque | zinx: cool site, thanks! |
| 01:45.12 | troubled | wimpies: usbmount does and will auto mount usb devices (although not vfat by default). surely if a mount shows up in mtab, KDE should pick that up? or is your kde whats borked? |
| 01:45.33 | wimpies | it looks like the KDE has fsck-ed |
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| 01:45.53 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: rdesktop --help and look at -r |
| 01:46.10 | Sivik | ok |
| 01:46.18 | MatBoy | wimpies, go to sleep :P |
| 01:46.30 | SerajewelKS | Sivik: and in general RTFM before asking |
| 01:46.40 | Sivik | SerajewelKS, yeah, that might help |
| 01:47.12 | karsten | xaque: I prefer to take them myself ;-) |
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| 01:48.03 | karsten | xaque: you can resize wallpapers w/ most good image tools (eg: GIMP). |
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| 01:48.08 | xaque | karsten: yeah, I can't affor a nice camera |
| 01:48.42 | xaque | karsten: yeah, I have used gimp a decent amount, but there is nothing like a widescreen photo in hi res underneath 20 linux terminals =] |
| 01:49.47 | bulio| | how can I setup CUPS via the command line? |
| 01:50.01 | bulio| | I just need it to become a webserver at port 631 so I can configure my printer |
| 01:50.10 | Supaplex|roaming | bulio|: elinks http://127.0.0.1:xyz/ |
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| 01:50.31 | jm1 | so here's my dependency problem: http://pastebin.com/d54aab667 if anyone has any suggestions on the best path to take, it would be greatly appreciated. |
| 01:50.43 | dasunt | Does the rsync client follow a configuration file or is that just rsyncd? |
| 01:51.29 | troubled | dasunt: just the daemon i believe |
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| 01:52.05 | dasunt | troubled: Thanks. |
| 01:52.33 | karsten | xaque: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/TamMoonVenus.jpg (small) |
| 01:52.50 | karsten | bulio|: /etc/init.d/cupsys stop |
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| 01:54.34 | xaque | karsten: neat. turn on indexing in that dir so I can see more? |
| 01:54.58 | Phil4 | has anyone got admin access to a cpanel box? |
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| 01:55.34 | karsten | xaque: Nope ;-) |
| 01:56.01 | troubled | Phil4: normal user access, but no where near admin unfortunately :( Let me guess, hosting issues? |
| 01:56.17 | Phil4 | got a friend with broken mail, troubled |
| 01:56.23 | Phil4 | trying to debug it blingly |
| 01:56.23 | Phil4 | heh |
| 01:56.25 | Phil4 | *blindly |
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| 01:56.41 | xaque | karsten: fair enough =] |
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| 01:57.05 | troubled | Phil4: well, my cpanel is for email as well. although i have no idea how similar the setups would be. |
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| 01:57.53 | sigp239 | When does .22 go into testing? |
| 01:58.05 | karsten | xaque: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/SysLoad5.png |
| 01:58.29 | troubled | Phil4: 11.10.0-STABLE 16448 here |
| 01:58.40 | Phil4 | HA |
| 01:58.50 | Phil4 | a cpanel release has the word "stable" in the name |
| 01:58.55 | troubled | :) |
| 01:59.31 | IgorSobreira | hi all.....anybody could give me a good sources.list? |
| 01:59.54 | Phil4 | good for what purpose, IgorSobreira |
| 02:00.14 | Phil4 | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=686 |
| 02:00.22 | Phil4 | there mine but it's not overly exciting ^^ |
| 02:00.22 | Phil4 | heh |
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| 02:00.34 | IgorSobreira | ok.. :-) |
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| 02:01.07 | abrotman | !tell IgorSobreira about sources.list |
| 02:01.13 | IgorSobreira | well...ive just installed debian...never used before...im looking for some apps and need to configure my wireless... |
| 02:01.14 | xaque | karsten: wtf is that?! =] Speaking of which, where is a good place to start looking for information on purchasing and installing an lcd like that? |
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| 02:01.45 | en1gma | i made a firewall script but i cant get it to run at boot time....i want it to run at the end but it needs to be ran before the login screen for console only...no X |
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| 02:02.17 | abrotman | !tell en1gma about run at startup |
| 02:02.23 | en1gma | i know it needs added in /etc/rc.local but what is the syntax to make it execure ./etc/network/firewall |
| 02:02.29 | cloakable | Can anyone help me with the Debian install of mediawiki? I want to put the wiki at the root of the server, and get short urls |
| 02:03.05 | karsten | xaque: "That" is a pretty much totally fabricated image, in Gimp, with the exception of the display. |
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| 02:03.24 | troubled | cloakable: you could always just modify the default url rewrite rule for debian-default to go to /mediawiki perhaps? |
| 02:03.28 | karsten | xaque: Increment the counter (no number, just drop the digit) from 2-6 to see the set. |
| 02:03.45 | en1gma | ./etc/init.d/ runs to early it needs to be ran with /etc/rc.local but i dont know the syntax to make it run "/etc/network/firewall" |
| 02:04.00 | karsten | xaque: I found the display as an image on some website and was messing with the Gimp at the time. Another pair of images taht are kinda cool... |
| 02:04.00 | abrotman | wtf |
| 02:04.13 | karsten | xaque: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/whiteboatrock-after.png http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/whiteboatrock-before.png |
| 02:04.33 | karsten | xaque: Do them in the "after" then "before" order for best effect. |
| 02:04.37 | troubled | cloakable: not sure what breakage could occur if you were to modify the wiki alias to /. but if you wanna try, vim /etc/mediawiki1.7/apache.conf and restart apache |
| 02:04.38 | en1gma | i put in the /etc/rc.local this "exit 0" "./etc/network/firewall" but it dont run it...i even made "etc/network/firewall" executable |
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| 02:05.35 | zinx | karsten: http://zinx.xmms.org/misc/ff_wp01_l.jpg -> http://zinx.xmms.org/misc/ff-wallpaper-01.png |
| 02:05.44 | linux_jones | so i need to get the internet from wlan0 on this computer through eth0 and into eth0 on another computer, do i need crossover cable? |
| 02:05.57 | troubled | en1gma: paste your whole file to a pastebin perhaps? |
| 02:05.58 | cloakable | troubled: I've gotten it ok with simply modifying the ServerRoot to /var/lib/mediawiki1.7, but I don't get short urls. |
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| 02:06.06 | en1gma | what does it need to be so it "/etc/rc.local" will run "/etc/network/firewall" |
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| 02:06.34 | en1gma | all i need to know is what do i put in "/etc/rc.local" to make it run "/etc/network/firewall" |
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| 02:07.13 | troubled | cloakable: well, that apache.conf file in the wiki dir has the alias. just dont know if its a good way to do it. I think you would be better off doing something similar to what debian does to / by default, it uses an ^/$ rule rewrite to redirect you to /mediawiki. |
| 02:07.25 | karsten | zinx: Yeah, but did you do that yourself? |
| 02:07.53 | karsten | zinx: Ah. Took uot the watermark stuff. |
| 02:07.59 | en1gma | ./etc/rc.local = a script. does anyone know what i need to put in that script to make it execute "/etc/network/firewall" |
| 02:08.24 | xaque | karsten: took a year to download, but that is pretty good man |
| 02:08.28 | zinx | karsten: Yes (not the original, obviously, but the changed one) |
| 02:08.28 | troubled | cloakable: /etc/apache/sites-available/default, edit the "RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/" to be "/mediawiki/" instead |
| 02:08.57 | linux_jones | anyone? |
| 02:08.58 | zinx | karsten: also http://zinx.xmms.org/misc/tmp/scammernic.jpg though i don't think i have the original for that |
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| 02:09.09 | zinx | karsten: so you can't really compare :/ |
| 02:09.25 | karsten | xaquei: tileable: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/whiteboatrock-marstile.png |
| 02:09.42 | troubled | en1gma: file /etc/network/firewall |
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| 02:09.58 | troubled | en1gma: chances are its not a bash script, or not executable |
| 02:10.07 | cloakable | troubled: Yeah, which looks ugly :/ I don't want http://server/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page, I want http://server/Main_Page |
| 02:10.31 | stiv2k | what do i need to install for x86_64 JRE? |
| 02:10.32 | stiv2k | cause i installed it not too long ago yet iceweasel is saying "click here to download plugin" |
| 02:10.43 | troubled | abrotman: whats the smack for? binary in /etc? or should it be iptables-load instead? |
| 02:11.00 | smacnay | Hi, I am borrowing a friends Sony Digital Handycam and have connected it to my machine by firewire (a /dev/raw1394 was created). How do I access the video on this device? software... |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | troubled: you should know better |
| 02:11.10 | troubled | cloakable: try the /etc/mediawiki1.7/apache.conf then and try alias it to / instead. not sure if that works though |
| 02:11.15 | en1gma | so know one in here is going to tell me the syntax to make /etc/rc.local execute a firewall script located at /etc/network/firewall? |
| 02:11.19 | en1gma | i mean fucking come on |
| 02:11.39 | troubled | abrotman: well, to be honest, I have no idea what that file he has in there is yet. short cuts :) |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | does the script work when run manually ? |
| 02:11.55 | en1gma | yes |
| 02:12.06 | en1gma | all i need to know is what do i put in /etc/rc.local |
| 02:12.10 | en1gma | sheesh |
| 02:12.13 | abrotman | the full path to the script |
| 02:12.15 | troubled | en1gma: then just: /etc/somedir/somefile |
| 02:12.16 | en1gma | i do |
| 02:12.19 | cloakable | troubled: That would, at best, give me http://server/index.php/Main_Page, and I want http://server/Main_Page :P |
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| 02:12.35 | en1gma | i tried it with /etc/network/firewall and ./etc/network/firewall |
| 02:12.46 | en1gma | let me copy and paste the info on pastebin |
| 02:12.47 | en1gma | 1 min |
| 02:13.10 | glguy | is it feasible to install debian with a minimalistic X11 environment on a 1gig flash drive? |
| 02:13.17 | en1gma | i thought i wasnt putting the command in correct...didnt know i was doing it correct...so that means something is wrong in the firewall script itself |
| 02:13.22 | en1gma | but it does run manually fine |
| 02:13.46 | karsten | glguy: Yes |
| 02:13.49 | troubled | cloakable: ah, i think i know what you mean. not sure if mediawiki has a way alter that, or if its done with pure apache config |
| 02:14.42 | sigp239 | When does the.22 kernel go into testing? |
| 02:15.06 | abrotman | !why is linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 not in testing |
| 02:15.06 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 02:15.11 | cloakable | troubled: There's a very messy page on the mediawiki wiki about doing it, but none of it covers Debian, and none of it works :/ |
| 02:15.18 | abrotman | yeah .. that's a lot of stuff :) |
| 02:15.24 | glguy | karsten: do you know if this is common enough to merit a wiki page or a howto? or do I just treat it like a normal install? |
| 02:16.03 | sigp239 | abrotman: that massive list of text makes zero sense to me |
| 02:16.14 | troubled | cloakable: i assume you would like to avoid manually copying the files to /var/www as well? |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | sigp239: roughly translated ... "not for awhile" |
| 02:16.28 | en1gma | omg i dont think /etc/rc.local is executable |
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| 02:16.31 | en1gma | my bad |
| 02:16.44 | abrotman | en1gma: it's not supposed to be |
| 02:16.48 | liable | en1gma: its read by the init script |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/rc.local |
| 02:17.01 | sigp239 | abrotman: what is a while? |
| 02:17.13 | en1gma | oh so it dont need to be executable? |
| 02:17.27 | en1gma | it says in its info to set the bits to make it execute |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | sigp239: could be days or weeks .. depends how quickly all that stuff is worked out .. i'd say a week or more |
| 02:17.36 | cloakable | troubled: I don't mind doing that :P It just as easy as setting to ServerRoot to /var/lib/mediawiki1.7 |
| 02:17.48 | liable | cloakable: dont do that |
| 02:17.54 | liable | its mentioned in the docs |
| 02:17.56 | en1gma | do i put the '/etc/network/firewall' command before the "exit 0" or after it |
| 02:17.57 | karsten | glguy: There are stock USB distros. |
| 02:18.16 | liable | en1gma: before |
| 02:18.19 | troubled | cloakable: true :) |
| 02:18.19 | en1gma | k thanks |
| 02:18.38 | en1gma | do i need to make /etc/rc.local executable with chmod 770 /etc/rc.local |
| 02:18.41 | glguy | karsten: and these distros would allow me to follow lenny? |
| 02:19.09 | karsten | glguy: http://lwn.net/Distributions and search for "usb". DSL can be installed on USB 110 MB or greater. |
| 02:19.18 | karsten | glguy: dunno. |
| 02:19.44 | en1gma | liable do i need to make /etc/rc.local executable with chmod 770 /etc/rc.local |
| 02:20.03 | gravity | glguy: http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian might help? |
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| 02:20.14 | liable | en1gma: i dont think so. read the docs for it |
| 02:20.57 | gravity | glguy: Also http://wiki.debian.org/USBKeyDistro |
| 02:20.58 | cloakable | liable: Where in the docs? |
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| 02:21.07 | en1gma | k will try it again....but i think i tried it this way already but i might have tried it with ./etc/network/firewall instead of /etc/network/firewall |
| 02:21.13 | en1gma | brb |
| 02:22.01 | liable | cloakable: sec |
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| 02:23.19 | karsten | gravity: We had a question for you the other day, trying to remember what it was. |
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| 02:23.44 | gravity | uh oh |
| 02:23.46 | karsten | gravity: Meantime you get off easy. |
| 02:23.47 | liable | cloakable: http://devpit.org/wiki/Installing_Mediawiki hrm, it says subdirectory, my memory thought otherwise |
| 02:23.51 | gravity | word |
| 02:24.02 | pipeline_ | karsten: classic technopeasant |
| 02:24.05 | wimpies | Does anybody have a suggestion on how to mount an external disk either locally (when plugged in locally) or remotely (when plugged in remotely) |
| 02:24.08 | abrotman | gravity: how does the version of xserver-xorg compare to x.org version ? |
| 02:24.15 | karsten | pipeline_: ? |
| 02:24.31 | pipeline_ | karsten: really awful quote from your hosting :X |
| 02:24.32 | karsten | abrotman: Favorably. |
| 02:24.41 | gravity | abrotman: 1.3 is the current server version. 7.2 is the current X.org katamari version. They're uncoupled. |
| 02:24.48 | karsten | pi? |
| 02:24.51 | karsten | pipeline_: ?? |
| 02:25.03 | abrotman | gravity: there is no coorelation ? |
| 02:25.26 | gravity | abrotman: Not any more. With 1.3 it's been uncoupled for the first time |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | gravity: so now we're confused? |
| 02:26.03 | abrotman | how do we go to say .. ati.com and get xorg binary crap drivers ? |
| 02:26.23 | cloakable | liable: Ah, thanks. That has some nice instructions on short urls too :) |
| 02:26.36 | liable | ya, np |
| 02:26.40 | gravity | "we"? |
| 02:26.49 | gravity | abrotman: Fuck if I know. |
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| 02:27.00 | abrotman | gravity: i just meant how do we compare 1.3 to the xorg version number |
| 02:27.09 | abrotman | i guess there isn't a way |
| 02:27.22 | gravity | abrotman: It's post-7.2 |
| 02:27.25 | gravity | pre-7.3 |
| 02:27.37 | troubled | cloakable: "Never never never install mediawiki directly under the document root. Install it under $DOCROOT/mediawiki or something, then follow the directions below for pretty URLs. Some instructions on pretty URLs say to install directly under the document root. That is error-prone and complex." |
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| 02:27.38 | gravity | 7.3 will have x server 1.4 |
| 02:27.39 | abrotman | trial and error! :) |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:28.01 | abrotman | gravity: someone was asking the other night .. |
| 02:28.11 | gravity | The X.org katamari releases are basically just rolling up whatever the current versions are of all the stuff and saying "here it is!" |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | will it be stars or a planet ? |
| 02:28.35 | gravity | With modular, there's any number of interim releases of the individual components. Whenever you want to do a release, you just do one |
| 02:28.44 | gravity | Have you seen it? It's a freakin' planet |
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| 02:29.01 | troubled | cloakable: ya, seems like rewrites are the way to go |
| 02:29.11 | abrotman | gravity: hehe |
| 02:29.15 | liable | wtf is this planet talk with xorg? |
| 02:29.23 | abrotman | liable: katamari! |
| 02:29.31 | cloakable | troubled: Yeah, I couldn't find a clear guide to doing so. |
| 02:29.38 | liable | never heard of it |
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| 02:30.08 | nevyn | katamari!!! |
| 02:30.13 | abrotman | liable: it's a game .. a very bizarre game .. if you have a PS2 or a friend with one .. it's worth at least five minutes of drunken fun |
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| 02:30.26 | liable | heh |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | liable: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=katamari&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2 |
| 02:30.52 | nevyn | royal rainbow! |
| 02:31.12 | liable | cows too |
| 02:31.18 | troubled | moo |
| 02:33.26 | en1gma | on one of the nics i have added to my box (which makes it the 5th nic in the box) it gives a msg about every 2 secs unless i put the command 'ifconfig eth2 down' could someone tell me what i need to do to make it work and not give that msg anymore |
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| 02:33.41 | nevyn | http://www.xkcd.org/83/ |
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| 02:34.03 | troubled | en1gma: what msg? |
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| 02:34.07 | abrotman | en1gma: what's the message |
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| 02:34.16 | abrotman | details aren't important |
| 02:34.45 | en1gma | it says something like this "eth2: set link 10baseT auto" and then it says some loge "sia" number |
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| 02:34.59 | abrotman | just don't make it auto |
| 02:35.02 | en1gma | took me a minute to look at other screen and type |
| 02:35.08 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 02:35.10 | en1gma | 1 sec |
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| 02:35.23 | en1gma | i love this webmin thing...best app ever |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | i saw that! |
| 02:35.56 | zinx | en1gma: careful saying that in here, you might get lynched |
| 02:36.27 | en1gma | are you serious? it really is sweet though |
| 02:36.35 | en1gma | why dont ppl like it |
| 02:36.58 | en1gma | is there another app similar to it that is only for debian |
| 02:37.07 | zinx | !tell en1gma about webmin |
| 02:38.06 | en1gma | crap |
| 02:38.26 | en1gma | didnt know it made security worse...i thought it was just a snazzy ssh interface |
| 02:38.50 | en1gma | crap...the whole purpose of this router box is supposed to be for securty |
| 02:39.36 | en1gma | it dont show any security issues in 1.36 which im using |
| 02:39.37 | abrotman | en1gma-- |
| 02:39.48 | abrotman | the whole of webmin is a security issue |
| 02:39.49 | troubled | heh |
| 02:39.50 | en1gma | but i know there has to be if there were before in prev versions |
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| 02:40.23 | KurtKraut | How can I know how many kbytes a process is occupying in RAM ? |
| 02:40.24 | en1gma | whats the proper tool to use for remote admin as this router box isnt even gonna have a vcard in as soon as i get it auto assigning ips to my lan |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | vi/ssh |
| 02:41.02 | nevyn | and openvpn |
| 02:41.10 | nevyn | with keys not passwords |
| 02:41.15 | nevyn | rotated hourly |
| 02:41.16 | en1gma | is there a really simple guide to sshing as i never have done it at all before...and i only let one guy do it to my machine and that was a guy who makes kanotix called kano |
| 02:41.44 | nevyn | chris is ok.. he has some strange ideas on module licencing tho |
| 02:41.59 | en1gma | is there a gui front end for ssh that runs on windows boxes |
| 02:42.07 | abrotman | make it stop! |
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| 02:42.37 | en1gma | me? |
| 02:42.46 | liable | winscp |
| 02:42.49 | en1gma | make it so captain |
| 02:42.57 | troubled | KurtKraut: ps xafv perhaps? one of the fields has what your after |
| 02:42.59 | Phil4 | you mean an ssh client, en1gma? |
| 02:43.10 | troubled | !comfort abrotman |
| 02:43.10 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:43.22 | abrotman | where's mangos go ? |
| 02:43.23 | KurtKraut | troubled, oh, so ps can give me absolut values instead porcentages ? Thanks. |
| 02:43.25 | nevyn | en1gma: you're trying to do something that's broken |
| 02:43.40 | troubled | KurtKraut: the RSS etc fields iirc |
| 02:43.58 | nevyn | I find the fact there's a xkcd compic about the dating habits of dd's disturbing |
| 02:44.04 | en1gma | im not sure as i really know nothing about ssh....it is to my imagination that if i was to use ssh/putty on this windows box to communicate with the router box running debian that it would look just like a console |
| 02:44.14 | nevyn | http://www.xkcd.org/306/ |
| 02:44.14 | abrotman | right |
| 02:44.30 | nevyn | en1gma: yes you would get a console |
| 02:44.40 | nevyn | but a console is a lovely thing |
| 02:44.53 | nevyn | it's very simple very small amount of code running. |
| 02:44.55 | troubled | KurtKraut: that or /proc/<pid>/status might be more what you want |
| 02:44.57 | en1gma | what i like about webmin is that it has a conole input box AND a neat looking java filemanager |
| 02:45.10 | en1gma | is there any filemanager for ssh that runs on windows |
| 02:45.15 | nevyn | that's been around for a significant period of time. and has been banged on quite a bit. |
| 02:45.25 | nevyn | there's fish: for kde |
| 02:45.29 | nevyn | (kioslaves rock |
| 02:45.30 | liable | winscp |
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| 02:45.38 | nevyn | and there's winscp |
| 02:45.40 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 02:45.49 | en1gma | checking that winscp right now 1 sec |
| 02:45.54 | S4nD3r | I have a vfat partition, Id like to mount it as user, and 777 mode |
| 02:46.00 | nevyn | which is commerical and not which is non-free and requireslicencing fees for commercial use. |
| 02:46.01 | S4nD3r | but, I got to mount as user |
| 02:46.08 | S4nD3r | but, didnt get 777 |
| 02:46.11 | S4nD3r | just 755 |
| 02:46.29 | nevyn | abromythweather wii weather channel? |
| 02:46.31 | liable | umask=000 |
| 02:46.34 | S4nD3r | This is in my /etc/fstab /dev/hda5 /Disk1_Dados vfat rw,user,auto,utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 02:46.44 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 02:46.44 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 02:47.21 | en1gma | that looks like it would work pretty good but damn webmin looks so sweet...but if its a security risk its got to go |
| 02:47.36 | en1gma | i gonna go read some info on their forums and see what ppl are saying |
| 02:47.41 | en1gma | thnx for the info peeps |
| 02:47.44 | troubled | S4nD3r: uid=####,gid=####,user,dmask=0007,fmask=0117 perhaps? |
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| 02:48.09 | troubled | S4nD3r: well, user wouldnt be needed cept in fstab, and would want noauto as well of course |
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| 02:48.25 | smacnay | any suggestions on getting access to /dev/raw1394? It is currently root:disk? Add user to group disk?? |
| 02:48.57 | IgorSobreira | is there repository to jdk1.6 to debian...in my aptitude there is only 1.5... |
| 02:49.01 | troubled | smacnay: security issue with that way imho |
| 02:49.10 | smacnay | troubled: yes, I was thinking |
| 02:49.30 | S4nD3r | umask 000 was enough |
| 02:50.09 | troubled | smacnay: what kind of app needs access to it? |
| 02:50.18 | craigevil | IgorSobreira: I know its in Sid most likely in tsting as well> pool/non-free/s/sun-java6/sun-java6-jdk_6-02-1_i386.deb |
| 02:50.38 | troubled | smacnay: thinking suid the app to root instead or sgid disk it |
| 02:50.50 | cloakable | troubled: oh freaking h**l, apache2 is refusing to work with php |
| 02:50.56 | troubled | smacnay: still not great security, but better than the user with full disk access |
| 02:51.40 | IgorSobreira | craigevil, well...is it the url? O_o |
| 02:51.56 | smacnay | troubled: dvgrab - it as a firewire connected camcorder. |
| 02:52.06 | KurtKraut | troubled, this is very detailed. Thanks |
| 02:52.14 | smacnay | troubled: I want to grab the video for compilation in kino |
| 02:52.22 | troubled | cloakable: it broke after you did the rewrite rules? |
| 02:53.45 | troubled | smacnay: well, i would say sgid disk the dvgrab rather than suid root it. either way it would have full access to the disk. or, if you really only use it for that one purpose, just edit the udev for it and set to to a group like video and add yourself a member, probably the best choice (not that your gonna root your own box or anything ;) |
| 02:54.22 | troubled | KurtKraut: sorry, umask more a generic. but i have strong feelings with making a dir wide open for every account on a box, nobody and www-data included |
| 02:54.24 | smacnay | thanks |
| 02:54.34 | smacnay | troubled: I like the alteration of udev for that |
| 02:54.50 | troubled | smacnay: np |
| 02:56.07 | KurtKraut | troubled, I'm trying to determine the RAM usage of netcat... |
| 02:56.21 | KurtKraut | troubled, it is so small that is almost undetectable :P |
| 02:56.26 | troubled | KurtKraut: cat /proc/`pidof netcat`/status |
| 02:57.14 | KurtKraut | troubled, I'm reading that... there are many data... which one I should consider the value ? VmSize ? |
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| 02:57.54 | cloakable | troubled: No, I purged everything and started from blank. and now it thinks a php file is a download |
| 02:57.55 | troubled | i believe so, not 100% though |
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| 02:58.53 | smacnay | troubled: I see that the /dev/dv1394 is set up for group video and it calls raw1394 but 1394 is nowhere in the udev structure. I guess I will need to add it... |
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| 02:59.15 | gargantua | hi |
| 02:59.21 | gargantua | I tried downloading something from apt |
| 02:59.24 | gargantua | and I got this: |
| 02:59.29 | gargantua | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 02:59.29 | gargantua | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.44 | troubled | cloakable: did you install php mod again? |
| 02:59.45 | gargantua | problem is, I dont have the cd. |
| 02:59.48 | gargantua | any help? |
| 02:59.59 | smacnay | troubled: found it... |
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| 03:00.29 | cloakable | troubled: When I installed mediawiki1.7 it istalled it as a dependency. |
| 03:00.42 | troubled | gargantua: switch to a internet mirror and comment out that file in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:01.21 | troubled | gargantua: you will need to apt-get update/aptitude update after you edit though |
| 03:01.38 | gargantua | how do I do that? |
| 03:01.57 | troubled | a text editor is usually the prefered way :) (try nano or vim) |
| 03:02.26 | cloakable | troubled: libapache2-mod-php5 is installes |
| 03:02.29 | gargantua | ok, how do I "switch to a internet mirror"? |
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| 03:03.29 | troubled | gargantua: you may already have one setup in that file. take a look first. it may simply be asking for the cd since its "closer" than an internet mirror |
| 03:04.00 | gargantua | so I need a repo right? |
| 03:04.09 | smacnay | troubled: ok, I altered an entry in the /etc/udev/permissions.rules to give raw1394 root:video permissions but I still see it load as root:disk. Does udev need to be restarted before changes take effect? |
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| 03:04.28 | troubled | gargantua: how about you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list file to pastebin.ca for us to check what you need to do |
| 03:04.34 | gargantua | ok |
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| 03:05.04 | troubled | smacnay: yes, but I believe there is a udevtrigger command that might do that for you. not sure which way it uses. worst case just reboot ;) |
| 03:05.23 | gargantua | http://pastebin.org/1336 |
| 03:05.31 | jimbalaya | would anyone be able to suggest software that I can use to capture video from my s-video input (Hauppaugge pvr150) |
| 03:05.43 | troubled | smacnay: perhaps try /etc/init.d/udev reload? |
| 03:06.27 | troubled | gargantua: ok, your all set, just put a # in front of the "deb cdrom" line and save and update/install |
| 03:08.13 | gargantua | ok I did apt-get update, thanks a lot. |
| 03:08.31 | Heavy-D | Hey guys.. sorry to ask this in here but the Squid channel is dead I think. Are there any other channels relating to Squid other than #squid ? |
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| 03:09.34 | troubled | Heavy-D: /quote cs list #squid* |
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| 03:10.34 | smacnay | troubled: got it - I needed to modprobe -r the loaded modules and modprobe them back in. |
| 03:11.05 | troubled | smacnay: ahh, makes sense |
| 03:11.05 | Heavy-D | troubled: Thanks, looks like im' done for. *tear* lol |
| 03:11.18 | troubled | oh noes! |
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| 03:12.07 | cloakable | troubled: Back in business. |
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| 03:12.32 | troubled | cloakable: what was wrong anyways? module wasnt being loaded? missing mime handler? |
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| 03:18.15 | NiLon | how do I check if my terminal supports utf8? :p |
| 03:18.18 | eljefe | anyone know about 'q' dvd author? i want to loop the movie |
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| 03:19.16 | troubled | NiLon: apt-get install moreutils && isutf8 |
| 03:19.35 | troubled | NiLon: wait, i think thats file utf8 only ;/ |
| 03:19.44 | cloakable | troubled: I don't know :P I just purged everything web related, the reinstalled it. |
| 03:19.46 | NiLon | hmm |
| 03:19.48 | troubled | NiLon: echo $LANG, what does that say? |
| 03:19.59 | NiLon | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:20.07 | NiLon | probally it's supporting it then |
| 03:20.10 | troubled | . o (swore there was a utf8 command...) |
| 03:20.25 | troubled | NiLon: you should be fine then |
| 03:20.35 | troubled | cloakable: that works |
| 03:20.43 | NiLon | ok, real problem is with irssi and faq says to check that support thing first :) |
| 03:21.09 | cast | vt-is-UTF8? |
| 03:21.24 | NiLon | charset |
| 03:21.29 | cast | hmm, hold up. nfi what that cmd is |
| 03:22.21 | troubled | cast: thats the one, thanks cast |
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| 03:23.09 | cast | only wirks in ttyX, not my aterms :( |
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| 03:25.27 | en1gma | this is my /etc/network/interfaces file http://pastebin.ca/674305 i have all the nicks setup and working i believe (eth2 dont like to be brought up with auto) but anyhow on my windows computer that connects to the router box i still have to set it up with a static ip... i would like this be set to auto ip and auto dns..for the four nics for the lan...the 5th nic which is eth1 for ext network is working fine |
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| 03:25.34 | en1gma | what do i need to do |
| 03:25.39 | cloakable | troubled: And the configuration instrustions fail :/ |
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| 03:26.26 | blaylock | how does one hide command history in bash? |
| 03:26.57 | en1gma | i will be deleteing these 2 lines cause another firewall added it so i gonna take it out next boot |
| 03:26.59 | en1gma | pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 03:27.01 | troubled | cloakable: figures. murphy's law i suppose |
| 03:27.14 | liable | blaylock: why? |
| 03:27.16 | troubled | blaylock: hide or erase? |
| 03:27.30 | liable | just do what i do |
| 03:27.33 | blaylock | well both i guess |
| 03:27.52 | troubled | blaylock: what is so secret that needs to be removed may we ask? |
| 03:27.58 | cloakable | troubled: aye |
| 03:29.00 | blaylock | nothing really, ive seen it done before and was just interested in how |
| 03:29.07 | liable | blaylock: its generally suspect when you find your bash history has been erased |
| 03:29.17 | en1gma | anyone know what i mean? i might have worded it wrong. i pretty much like the way the /etc/network/interfaces file is set...all i want it to do is issue those ips to anycompute i connect to those nics so those computers will "AUTO IP" and "AUTO DNS" |
| 03:30.04 | blaylock | liable, yeah but thats not what's happening i know commands have been executed but they are not showing in the history list |
| 03:30.06 | blaylock | or the file |
| 03:30.08 | en1gma | currently on the windows boxes i have to set each one as static so it can be seen on the lan |
| 03:30.32 | liable | blaylock: they wont be in your bash_history untill you log out |
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| 03:31.54 | CyberMad | is there domain controller solution for linux? |
| 03:31.56 | en1gma | maybe i should ask in ##linux or ##networking since this isnt exactly debian related but i do like this channel |
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| 03:32.04 | CyberMad | i don't want to buy microsoft windows server |
| 03:32.18 | liable | same |
| 03:32.21 | auto359 | CyberMad: who would? |
| 03:32.22 | en1gma | same* |
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| 03:32.24 | Supaplex|roaming | CyberMad: as in samba+ldap? |
| 03:32.53 | CyberMad | Supaplex|roaming ahh.. yes, i remember.. thanks for help |
| 03:32.57 | wad | I'm stuck on a spreadsheet problem. Does anyone know what channel might have people willing to discuss open office? |
| 03:33.11 | troubled | en1gma: thats the spirit. you'll go far here with an attitude like that! :) |
| 03:33.26 | en1gma | what? |
| 03:33.27 | Supaplex|roaming | wad: feel free to ask here :) |
| 03:33.40 | wad | Okay. It seems like it should be a normal thing to want to do: |
| 03:33.44 | en1gma | i really wasnt sure if i could ask that Q in here or if i should be in another channel |
| 03:33.55 | wad | I've got two columns. Left column is time stamps. Right column is values. |
| 03:34.03 | en1gma | it isnt exactly debian specific |
| 03:34.08 | en1gma | and i really do like this channel |
| 03:34.11 | cast | wad: #openoffice? |
| 03:34.12 | wad | I just need to tally the values by day. |
| 03:34.28 | cast | there was a oo.o chan...not sure the name |
| 03:34.46 | wad | I'm in #openoffice.org, the silence is tomblike. |
| 03:34.52 | Supaplex|roaming | wad: too bad it's not in a sql database. :) |
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| 03:35.17 | wad | Supaplex|roaming, yeah, then I would be pestering people on IRC, I'd have already solved it. :) |
| 03:35.42 | wad | There is effectively no #openoffice, and nobody alive in the other open office channels. |
| 03:36.04 | \amethyst | wad: you want a sum for each day... where should they go? |
| 03:36.14 | wad | \amethyst, ANYWHERE! :) |
| 03:36.17 | cast | and is the official chan on freenode or optn? opn? opfn?...optc? wth...you know, that other ircnet thats like freenode but isn't. |
| 03:36.32 | bjorkimacg3 | wad, ... tally by day? |
| 03:36.36 | \amethyst | wad: what should happen with days that aren't represented? |
| 03:36.39 | wad | bjorkimacg3, exactly! |
| 03:36.42 | bjorkimacg3 | what units do you have your data in? |
| 03:36.46 | wad | Well, I need to make a chart with the data. |
| 03:37.01 | wad | You know, day 1, tally=N, etc. |
| 03:37.11 | bjorkimacg3 | hmm. |
| 03:37.16 | wad | \amethyst, I see your question. |
| 03:37.17 | bjorkimacg3 | that's not two hard. |
| 03:37.32 | bjorkimacg3 | *too. |
| 03:37.37 | wad | I've got it working manually, but and maintenance isn't too hard, |
| 03:37.48 | wad | but now my boss says, "Okay, that's great, but we need it by the hour!" |
| 03:37.55 | wad | There's surely a general solution. |
| 03:38.04 | wad | I'm rather a whiz at spreadsheets, as a matter of fact. |
| 03:38.10 | wad | I'm pondering writing a macro for it. |
| 03:38.16 | bjorkimacg3 | wad, can i see the data? paste it someplace? |
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| 03:38.20 | troubled | cast: oftc? |
| 03:38.25 | wad | bjorkimacg3, sure, gimme a sec |
| 03:39.02 | troubled | cast: i would think oftc is the "official" sinces its debian HQ so to speak. not to mention i think irc.debian.org is a ptr to oftc |
| 03:39.16 | liable | tis |
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| 03:44.51 | cslater | For anyone who is interested, Instalinux supports 64 bit Etch installs now |
| 03:45.02 | cslater | please send any feedback my way |
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| 03:46.10 | ampex2 | is there a way to make a linux machine with multiple nics to operate like a switch? |
| 03:46.30 | NCommander | ampex2, like seperate traffic from each port? |
| 03:46.50 | ampex2 | I think what I want is a bridge |
| 03:46.57 | ampex2 | and I believe I answered my own question |
| 03:47.05 | NCommander | That's the best way :-) |
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| 03:47.14 | \amethyst | wad: got it |
| 03:47.19 | wad | You do?!? |
| 03:47.26 | \amethyst | wad: let's say you've got your timestamp in A and your count in B |
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| 03:48.11 | wad | \amethyst, did you see my sample data set? Column A has the "hour count" in it. http://wadhome.org/~wad/sample.txt |
| 03:48.12 | ampex2 | any ideas on how a machine with 8 gigabit nics or interfaces bridged would perform in comparison to a hardware switch? |
| 03:48.21 | \amethyst | wad: sec |
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| 03:48.49 | \amethyst | wad: hmm... what's the second column there? |
| 03:48.57 | wad | Second column is just a value. |
| 03:49.06 | wad | I need to collapse this down to a single hour count, |
| 03:49.12 | \amethyst | hour? |
| 03:49.16 | wad | with the second column containing the sum of all of them for that hour. |
| 03:49.18 | wad | Make sense? |
| 03:49.23 | \amethyst | what' |
| 03:49.26 | \amethyst | what's an hour? |
| 03:49.36 | \amethyst | ah, column a is the number of hours |
| 03:49.41 | wad | The left column is the hour number. |
| 03:49.56 | \amethyst | oh, so you don't need to condense them at all... it's even easier |
| 03:49.59 | wad | First hour, second hour, etc. |
| 03:50.18 | \amethyst | Data -> Subtotals... |
| 03:50.26 | wad | Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 03:50.42 | \amethyst | wad: calculate subtotals for column b, grouping by column a |
| 03:50.49 | wad | !!!!! |
| 03:50.50 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 03:51.29 | \amethyst | wad: if you need to, for example, group by day rather than hour, you just add a new column with =INT(A1/24) or something like that, and group by that |
| 03:51.36 | troubled | liable: any luck on the history issue btw? |
| 03:51.49 | wad | \amethyst, you are a genius my friend! |
| 03:52.07 | wad | This is what was missing. It seemed like it would be something simple. And here I was about to start writing macros! |
| 03:52.15 | \amethyst | Personally, I would write a perl script to do it, but that's just me |
| 03:52.19 | wad | heh |
| 03:52.25 | wad | I'd do it in Java, but that's just me. |
| 03:52.35 | liable | troubled: nah, I have not yet been working on it again. I am having a lazy moment :) |
| 03:52.37 | wad | Okay, I'm back in happy spreadsheet land again. |
| 03:52.39 | cslater | ampex2 - I believe a good switch would be much faster since the hardware paths are optimized for speed... |
| 03:52.51 | \amethyst | Java would take too long, I'd do it in the spreadsheet first :) |
| 03:52.51 | bjorkimacg3 | wad, use filters. |
| 03:53.06 | wad | filters are happy. :) |
| 03:53.29 | troubled | liable: echo p > /proc/sysrq :) |
| 03:53.46 | troubled | least i think thats the file, but serious, don't test it if you dont know what it does |
| 03:54.33 | troubled | shouldnt have even mentioned that in the channel come to think about it. god know how many people like to just try stuff :) |
| 03:54.50 | linuxtk10 | anyonek now if i can have the linux ping utility for windows ? |
| 03:55.16 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: why not the windows one? |
| 03:55.23 | linuxtk10 | i like the linuc one better |
| 03:55.25 | liable | troubled: i can understand the file not getting appended, but the complete removal is something i can't seem to find a reason for |
| 03:55.28 | linuxtk10 | windows one only pings for 4 times |
| 03:55.31 | linuxtk10 | 4 packets |
| 03:55.45 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: try ping -t |
| 03:56.01 | troubled | liable: im still leaning towards fs issue ever so slightly |
| 03:56.24 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: Cygwin might come with a more Linux-like ping, I don't remember |
| 03:56.40 | liable | troubled: never had a bad fsck on this box though |
| 03:57.37 | troubled | liable: that doesnt mean it didnt find/fix inode issues. pretty sure fsck logs there in /var/log to one of the files though iirc |
| 03:58.14 | linuxtk10 | \amethyst: ping - t did the trick |
| 03:58.38 | liable | clean |
| 03:58.44 | cast | troubled: was re openoffice channel being dead |
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| 03:59.02 | troubled | cast: ? |
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| 03:59.21 | NCommander | Is anyone here willing to help me create a package; I'd like to start on the path of becoming a debian developer. |
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| 03:59.40 | cast | troubled: never mind |
| 03:59.45 | \amethyst | NCommander: have you read the new maintainer's guide? |
| 03:59.58 | cast | NCommander: there is a channel for that, prob a mailing list too |
| 04:00.00 | NCommander | Yeah, I'm reading through the policy guide for good measure again |
| 04:00.05 | NCommander | which channel? |
| 04:00.17 | cast | debian-mentors or something, not sure |
| 04:00.52 | NCommander | cast, Bingo :-) |
| 04:00.55 | cast | !mentors |
| 04:00.55 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 04:00.59 | \amethyst | NCommander: have you run into problems yet? |
| 04:01.01 | bjorkimacg3 | NCommander, what are you developing? |
| 04:01.02 | NCommander | oh wait |
| 04:01.03 | NCommander | n/m |
| 04:01.25 | NCommander | I'm a developer on Hurd, and I've been fixing quite a few packages for that platform, and I felt it was time I try building one from scratch |
| 04:01.49 | cast | gpg work on hurd? |
| 04:01.50 | NCommander | I have SOME experience building packages for APT; I built them for fink, and I've torn more then a few debs apart |
| 04:01.52 | NCommander | cast, yeah |
| 04:02.01 | cast | what does it do for /dev/random? |
| 04:02.06 | NCommander | Translator |
| 04:02.19 | cast | hurd has /dev/random? :o |
| 04:02.22 | NCommander | kinda |
| 04:02.26 | NCommander | No offical one yet |
| 04:02.30 | NCommander | I wrote one for mach |
| 04:02.31 | bjorkimacg3 | hurd? |
| 04:02.32 | cast | or is it the perl daemon |
| 04:02.35 | bjorkimacg3 | the famous hurd? |
| 04:02.41 | NCommander | Yes, I program on Hurd :-P |
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| 04:03.27 | NCommander | cast, well, you can use the perl daemon EGD, my entropy driver (which has one last bug which needs to be resolved before it will go into the next release of the kernel), and one by marcus |
| 04:04.14 | NCommander | anyway, debian-mentors is a bust, its registered, but no one is there |
| 04:04.18 | bjorkimacg3 | so... NCommander ... when's HURD's release date? |
| 04:04.24 | cast | bjorkimacg3: WIR, heh |
| 04:04.29 | troubled | NCommander: perhaps on oftc? |
| 04:04.39 | NCommander | Shortly after Duke Nuken Forever, and after Microsoft GPLs Windows Vista |
| 04:04.50 | simonrvn | NCommander: they moved to oftc net |
| 04:05.06 | bjorkimacg3 | aha! |
| 04:05.06 | NCommander | Nope, we're still here on Freenode |
| 04:05.07 | NCommander | (#hurd) |
| 04:05.27 | cast | mentors he means |
| 04:05.31 | bjorkimacg3 | and umm. how's RMS these days? |
| 04:05.39 | NCommander | I use Debian on pretty much every platform beside i386 -_-; |
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| 04:05.44 | en1gma | what is a real simple dhcp server to setup |
| 04:05.52 | en1gma | that dhcpd looks like a pain |
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| 04:06.07 | bjorkimacg3 | ppc? |
| 04:06.13 | NCommander | Old macs |
| 04:06.17 | bjorkimacg3 | <- |
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| 04:06.38 | _ericb | hi all |
| 04:06.41 | troubled | NCommander: no, we meant -mentors is oftc |
| 04:06.41 | NCommander | I use ubuntu on my main desktop; X11 refuses to work without closed source drivers, and I can't afford a new laptop at the moment :-/ |
| 04:06.44 | NCommander | OH! |
| 04:06.45 | jamonation | what's this debian GNU/Hurd thing: http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ |
| 04:06.59 | NCommander | It's amazing what happens when you say Hurd |
| 04:07.04 | bjorkimacg3 | yeah. |
| 04:07.08 | bjorkimacg3 | it's legendary. |
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| 04:07.12 | NCommander | I run it :-) |
| 04:07.17 | NCommander | I'm tempted to go to ##linux and shout HURD LIVES! |
| 04:08.15 | bjorkimacg3 | and how's it different btw? |
| 04:08.30 | NCommander | cast, yeah well |
| 04:08.32 | _ericb | anyone know something that does the same thing but in a more customizable way than gnome-volume-manager ? I want to open a shell with mc when a cdrom is inserted. gnome-volume-manager can only mount it, the behavior isn't really more customizable than this |
| 04:08.34 | NCommander | We're still a work in progress |
| 04:08.46 | mr_dave | I recently upgraded from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22 in sid, and since I'd done that alsa can no longer load drivers for the sound cards in my machine. Did anything change I should know about? |
| 04:08.50 | _ericb | I could always hack it but I guess there is an easier way |
| 04:09.12 | cast | bjorkimacg3: its a kernel. do you know of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD? well Debian GNU[/HURD] is similar. its what you call 'linux' but without the linux part |
| 04:09.13 | NCommander | bjorkimacg3, on hurd, you have what are called translators which are parts of the OS in userland. For instance, you have the ext2fs, ftpfs, ufsfs, gopherfs (very old :-P), httpfs, and such |
| 04:09.32 | NCommander | Any user can snap in a translator, so I could snap in tarfs, and mount a tarball |
| 04:09.43 | bjorkimacg3 | hmm. |
| 04:09.57 | bjorkimacg3 | cast, i don't know of debian gnu/kfreebsd or anyone running it. |
| 04:09.58 | NCommander | (actually, I've gone one step futher then most, and ran ./configure; make; make install right inside a tarball. Slow as hell though) |
| 04:10.11 | NCommander | they have a seperate channel around here |
| 04:10.14 | bjorkimacg3 | NCommander, why'd anyone wanna run it? |
| 04:10.16 | NCommander | knetbsd died it seem |
| 04:10.26 | NCommander | bjorkimacg3, same reason anyone would want to run Linux, or BSD, or anything |
| 04:10.42 | bjorkimacg3 | ... to impress the girls? |
| 04:10.50 | bjorkimacg3 | let me tell you, they fall asleep. every time. |
| 04:10.52 | bjorkimacg3 | EVERY TIME! |
| 04:11.16 | NCommander | If you want to impress the girls, go outside and STEP INTO THE LIGHT! |
| 04:11.22 | bjorkimacg3 | ewww! |
| 04:11.24 | mr_dave | NCommander: but the day star will burn me! |
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| 04:11.43 | cast | bjorkimacg3: oh, well its quite usable imho. #gnu-kbsd is the channel. people might want to run it because kernels are different, they have good and bad points - eg: freebsd might be better at some things, or have XYZ that linux doesn't have [ZFS support in 7.0!] |
| 04:11.45 | teh | Anyone know where I can get vorbiscomments - apt-get is not coming up with anything. |
| 04:11.54 | NCommander | I want Debian GNU/solaris |
| 04:12.01 | NCommander | ZFS for the win |
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| 04:12.08 | cast | NCommander: yah, nexenta is neat. |
| 04:12.20 | cast | dunno how legal it is, though |
| 04:12.21 | bjorkimacg3 | hmm. |
| 04:12.29 | NCommander | opensolaris is CDDL, completely legal |
| 04:12.46 | teh | anyone? |
| 04:12.46 | stiv2k | hey what's a good terminal program that doesnt have any window border around it or anything |
| 04:12.56 | cast | NCommander: then maybe there's some other reason why nexenta hasn't become part of debian |
| 04:13.10 | NCommander | I can't remember the last time I ran this on i386 ... |
| 04:13.11 | \amethyst | teh: apt-cache search vorbiscomment |
| 04:13.14 | cast | stiv2k: i use aterm, the border is drawn by your aterm. i use enlightenment and select borderless |
| 04:13.24 | \amethyst | teh: that will tell you it's in package vorbis-tools |
| 04:13.26 | cast | the border is drawn by your WINDOW MANAGER* |
| 04:13.31 | bjorkimacg3 | stiv2k, You could always run X without a window manager. |
| 04:13.48 | stiv2k | bjorkimacg3: no i use gnome but i only want the terminal to not have anything on it |
| 04:14.06 | \amethyst | you can probably do that to any terminal with devilspie |
| 04:14.11 | stiv2k | also, what is something i can use thats similar to gdesklets in that it chills on your desktop, yet its all text/ascii |
| 04:14.23 | \amethyst | you can certainly do it with a more powerful window manager like sawfish |
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| 04:14.50 | bjorkimacg3 | stiv2k, how about running it on console? |
| 04:15.20 | haggz | NCommander, how easy will porting drivers to hurd be? Since so much of the linux kernel is gpl, would it be possible to just run some pieces of the linux kernel in userland to import driver functionality and have server daemons carry the I/O data back and forth? |
| 04:15.54 | \amethyst | stiv2k: tilda, yakuake, or yeahconsole maybe |
| 04:16.10 | stiv2k | whoa |
| 04:16.22 | \amethyst | stiv2k: they're based on the quake console, if that describes kind of what you're looking for |
| 04:16.29 | NCommander | haggz, We use Linux for our current driver API |
| 04:16.34 | \amethyst | "based on" in the sense of "inspired by" |
| 04:16.35 | NCommander | But our version is extremely .... dated |
| 04:16.57 | NCommander | It's been on the todo list for awhile to migrate us to a newer version of the Linux API or some other driver API |
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| 04:17.33 | stiv2k | \amethyst: i was looking for something like this.... http://users.skynet.be/fb857862/shot.jpg |
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| 04:18.06 | haggz | NCommander, interesting, where' |
| 04:18.24 | haggz | Ncommander, where is the best place to keep track of hurd development? the mailing list seems pretty quiet |
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| 04:18.43 | cast | stiv2k: i have exactly that. see if your WM has a borderless option for windows....if not change wm :) |
| 04:19.04 | stiv2k | cast: metacity? |
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| 04:19.48 | stiv2k | oh... |
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| 04:20.02 | \amethyst | stiv2k: metacity doesn't have the configurability built-in |
| 04:20.05 | \amethyst | you need devilspie |
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| 04:20.07 | NCommander | debian-hurd, although hurd-bug is most of it |
| 04:20.18 | \amethyst | stiv2k: take a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202249&highlight=terminal+desktop |
| 04:20.23 | stiv2k | \amethyst: what is devilspie? |
| 04:20.43 | \amethyst | stiv2k: it sets window manager hints on windows according to rules |
| 04:21.10 | stiv2k | or like this one |
| 04:21.14 | stiv2k | http://omploader.org/vMWRs |
| 04:21.23 | NCommander | Well, I'm all setup on mentors.debian.org |
| 04:22.22 | stiv2k | \amethyst: awesome link |
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| 04:23.50 | mr_dave | ah, found the problem |
| 04:24.00 | mr_dave | alsaconf relies on update-modules, which doesn't work anymore |
| 04:24.32 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 04:24.36 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 04:24.51 | bjorkimacg3 | splendid, asarch |
| 04:24.59 | haggz | sound has been such a moving target, there are a lot of packages that are misconfigured for alsa still |
| 04:25.09 | asarch | Hey guys, I was playing with some packages (because some of them need to remove other) and now when I install xdvdshrink |
| 04:25.13 | stiv2k | also, what is something i can use thats similar to gdesklets in that it chills on your desktop, yet its all text/ascii |
| 04:25.22 | asarch | it actually does not install nothing :( |
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| 04:25.35 | asarch | Cool bjorkimacg3 |
| 04:25.47 | asarch | How can I fix the packages database? |
| 04:26.33 | asarch | I already try to install the packase using Automatix but it says that I don't have 4.0r0 when I actually that's the version I am using |
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| 04:27.12 | \amethyst | asarch: xdvdshrink? |
| 04:27.53 | asarch | Aye |
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| 04:28.03 | \amethyst | what package is that in? |
| 04:28.11 | asarch | xdvdshrink |
| 04:28.12 | pickcoder | automatix? |
| 04:28.22 | asarch | For Ethc |
| 04:28.24 | asarch | *Etch |
| 04:28.31 | pickcoder | isn't that an Ubuntu thing? |
| 04:28.31 | asarch | Just for Etch cast |
| 04:28.36 | asarch | Aye |
| 04:28.38 | asarch | :( |
| 04:28.42 | \amethyst | xdvdshrink isn't in Etch... |
| 04:28.47 | asarch | ? |
| 04:28.49 | pickcoder | you should use aptitude if you don't want package problems |
| 04:28.58 | asarch | I already try wit aptitude |
| 04:29.00 | cast | !tell asarch about debian-multimedia |
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| 04:29.08 | hacked_kernel | My / partition is ReiserFS, the "root" is unable to open log files saying permission is denied, even I can't ls -l their attributes, any help? |
| 04:29.09 | bjorkimacg3 | aptitude is CRAPPY! |
| 04:29.23 | pickcoder | I've never had a problem with it |
| 04:29.23 | cast | bjorkimacg3: is better than apt-get, though a bit slower |
| 04:29.38 | pickcoder | it's quite smart on solving dependency issues |
| 04:29.46 | \amethyst | bjorkimacg3: It offered to remove most of your packages, didn't it? |
| 04:29.47 | cast | hacked_kernel: is your nick a joke or what... |
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| 04:30.45 | hacked_kernel | cast: may be its a joke but at least i'm not casting data types :) |
| 04:30.59 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:31.26 | bjorkimacg3 | yes \amethyst |
| 04:31.27 | bjorkimacg3 | it did. |
| 04:31.28 | asarch | Hmmm |
| 04:31.29 | bjorkimacg3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.29 | asarch | ... |
| 04:31.31 | bjorkimacg3 | evil monkey! |
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| 04:31.50 | pickcoder | bjorkimacg3: which package caused that? |
| 04:31.51 | bjorkimacg3 | (wonders why evil monkeys just bare their teeth and point) |
| 04:32.00 | bjorkimacg3 | pickcoder, limewire. |
| 04:32.02 | Palish | Hiya! Does anyone know how I can get a list of fonts installed on my Debian system? |
| 04:32.04 | bjorkimacg3 | something about java... |
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| 04:32.14 | ameyer | hmm, if I ran aptitude "nice -n 19", would that transfer to any forked processes? |
| 04:32.23 | pickcoder | on Etch? |
| 04:32.27 | cast | bjorkimacg3: don't mix apt-get and aptitude then, when that happens a quite start of just 'aptitude' and hitting plus/down a few times on the pkgs-to-be-removed-list fixes it in a few seconds :) |
| 04:32.27 | bjorkimacg3 | lenny |
| 04:32.43 | pickcoder | oh |
| 04:33.09 | ameyer | although it's not much of an issue on stable releases... |
| 04:33.09 | Palish | pickcoder: Yeah |
| 04:33.09 | pickcoder | welcome to early testing |
| 04:33.26 | ameyer | more of an issue when you're running a development release and you have 300 MB of packages to deal with |
| 04:33.29 | pickcoder | is there a bug report on it? |
| 04:33.58 | ameyer | (in this case, my Ubuntu Gutsy, perhaps soon to be Debian Etch, desktop) |
| 04:34.02 | hacked_kernel | My / partition is ReiserFS, the "root" is unable to open log files saying permission is denied, even I can't ls -l their attributes, any help? |
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| 04:34.25 | asarch | Take a look! http://hhh.lawaloca.com/node/13326 |
| 04:34.39 | ameyer | hmm, I wonder if something got -x |
| 04:34.47 | pickcoder | hacked_kernel: I'd boot into a live CD and check the FS |
| 04:34.50 | ameyer | although root should ignore permissions |
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| 04:35.11 | hacked_kernel | pickcoder: its a virtual machine system |
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| 04:35.15 | pickcoder | nice |
| 04:35.16 | hacked_kernel | can't use live cd |
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| 04:35.48 | ameyer | you (probably) could convince the VM to boot from a live CD image... |
| 04:36.10 | padd173 | Which package do I need to install apart from sshd and xterm to avoid the "X11 Forwarding request was rejected" error message when attempting to ssh to my new machine over X? |
| 04:36.11 | OmnipotentEntity | Hello everyone, I'm getting this error when I attempt to dump a stream in vlc player "ffmpeg encoder error: cannot find encoder h264" anyone know how to enable that codec, or make it so vlc sees it? |
| 04:36.16 | hacked_kernel | pickcoder: But I can open other conf files, the problem with some files |
| 04:36.26 | hacked_kernel | in the /var/log |
| 04:36.38 | ameyer | I'm guessing the FS may be somewhat corrupted |
| 04:36.47 | \amethyst | hacked_kernel: was your kernel, in fact, hacked? |
| 04:37.02 | hacked_kernel | Nop |
| 04:37.02 | ameyer | that could be another possibility |
| 04:37.10 | ameyer | can you ls -l anything? |
| 04:37.15 | cast | did you set selinux=1 :) |
| 04:37.20 | hacked_kernel | Yes but not all files are listed |
| 04:37.56 | cast | OmnipotentEntity: maybe libx264-54? |
| 04:38.13 | \amethyst | padd173: you need X11Forwarding yes in the sshd_config |
| 04:38.55 | padd173 | \amethyst: I have this already - It's a new system |
| 04:39.20 | padd173 | \amethyst: There's some other package I need to install, since I haven't installed the Desktop option during debian installation |
| 04:39.25 | ameyer | hacked_kernel: it's possible you were owned and ls was replaced with something that doesn't completely act like ls should in an attempt to hide the pwnage |
| 04:39.27 | padd173 | \amethyst: But I don't quite remember its name |
| 04:39.28 | hacked_kernel | cast: I don't have selinux |
| 04:39.40 | ameyer | hacked_kernel: or the filesystem may be corrupted |
| 04:39.45 | \amethyst | padd173: does the remote machine have xbase-clients? |
| 04:40.00 | padd173 | \amethyst: A! That's exactly the package I need! Thanks! |
| 04:40.04 | cast | hacked_kernel: debian comes with it, FWIW, i dont think its your problem - but what you are saying is in the power of selinux if someone set it up like that |
| 04:40.04 | padd173 | thank you |
| 04:40.22 | padd173 | \amethyst: Why is that needed though? |
| 04:40.33 | \amethyst | for xauth |
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| 04:41.16 | ameyer | cast: actually, I think Debian etch and above have SELinux, it's possible we're dealing with an older system here... |
| 04:41.23 | stiv2k | \amethyst: devilspie is not working |
| 04:41.23 | hacked_kernel | cast: /etc/selinux dir doesn't exists |
| 04:41.33 | stiv2k | my session loads gnome-terminal but it still has the window border |
| 04:41.51 | \amethyst | stiv2k: and you're starting it with the --window-with-profile option? |
| 04:41.52 | hacked_kernel | kernel 2.6.12.6 |
| 04:42.02 | stiv2k | i did --window-with-profile Default |
| 04:42.13 | OmnipotentEntity | cast, that seems to be installed on my box already.. |
| 04:42.16 | stiv2k | and the default one already has no menubar or scrollbar and is transparent |
| 04:42.18 | DavidProck1981 | something is wrong with my sound sources all of a sudden, would any one know how to fix it? |
| 04:42.32 | stiv2k | --window-with-profile=Default |
| 04:42.39 | \amethyst | stiv2k: and what did you say in the "(matches" line in the .devilspie/DesktopConsole.ds? |
| 04:42.45 | stiv2k | oh |
| 04:42.58 | stiv2k | i left it as window_name ;) |
| 04:43.04 | stiv2k | do i have to put gnome-terminal |
| 04:43.20 | \amethyst | stiv2k: do you want all terminals to be like that? probably not |
| 04:43.29 | BUMBACL0T | when i do: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade, it keeps saying this: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 04:43.29 | BUMBACL0T | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.30 | stiv2k | nah |
| 04:43.39 | stiv2k | what do i put then |
| 04:43.44 | ameyer | hacked_kernel: which debian version? |
| 04:43.52 | \amethyst | stiv2k: so do as it suggests and create a new profile specifically for the desktop terminals |
| 04:43.55 | stiv2k | ohhhh ok |
| 04:43.59 | stiv2k | nvm i get it now |
| 04:43.59 | stiv2k | heh |
| 04:44.09 | ameyer | also, "The Debian packaged Linux kernels have had SELinux support compiled in (but disabled by default) since version 2.6.9. In order to activate SELinux the parameter selinux=1 must be passed to the kernel when booting. Alternatively, you can compile your own kernel with SELinux enabled by default. |
| 04:44.21 | stiv2k | so then i put gnome-terminal --with-profile... blah in the matches () part ? |
| 04:44.24 | DavidProck1981 | i was wanting to know how to fix it with out restarting |
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| 04:44.41 | \amethyst | stiv2k: just the name... (matches (window_name) "MyProfileName") |
| 04:44.49 | stiv2k | ok |
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| 04:45.26 | hacked_kernel | ameyer: debian 3.1 |
| 04:45.42 | DavidProck1981 | any one able to help me, with my sound, no app all of a sudden seams to be able to grab the sound sources |
| 04:45.50 | \amethyst | stiv2k: also, make sure that, in the Title and Command tab on the profile, you have Dynamically-set title: Isn't displayed |
| 04:46.21 | ameyer | hacked_kernel: you might want to consider upgrading to etch soonish |
| 04:46.46 | stiv2k | \amethyst: ok |
| 04:46.52 | ameyer | security support for Sarge should be ending somewhere around April |
| 04:47.12 | cast | not to mention he doesn't have security support for the kernel |
| 04:47.33 | ameyer | cast: huh? |
| 04:47.33 | hacked_kernel | ameyer: yes but i can't upgrade now because there are sensitive data must be taken from logs first :) |
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| 04:47.48 | linuxtk10 | anyone here ever use nmap ? |
| 04:48.00 | ameyer | linuxtk10: no comment... |
| 04:48.04 | linuxtk10 | lol |
| 04:48.13 | ameyer | (in case the feds are listening) |
| 04:48.16 | linuxtk10 | trying to figure out hwo i can make nmap scan all ports |
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| 04:48.32 | cast | ameyer: 2.6.8 was sarges kernel, 2.6.18 etchs...hes got .12, thus i don't think security.debian.org helps him there? |
| 04:48.33 | linuxtk10 | i forgot a port i set something too |
| 04:48.39 | cast | linuxtk10: -p 1-MAXPORT |
| 04:48.44 | ameyer | cast: 2.6.8? |
| 04:49.06 | ameyer | FC3 came out in 2003 I think and had 2.6.9 |
| 04:49.08 | linuxtk10 | cast: i did nmap -p- ip |
| 04:49.10 | bjorkimacg3 | hmm. why does mr t have a mohawk? |
| 04:49.12 | linuxtk10 | hope it works |
| 04:49.42 | ameyer | s/2003/2004... |
| 04:50.04 | cast | ameyer: how is this related to sarge? |
| 04:50.43 | stiv2k | \amethyst: awesome it worked... how do i move it around and change its size |
| 04:50.46 | stiv2k | is that all in the config |
| 04:50.51 | stiv2k | oh yeah i think i remember seeing it |
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| 04:51.08 | stiv2k | can i somehow pick it and move it around |
| 04:51.12 | ameyer | hmm, for some reason I though sarge came out in 2006, not 2005 |
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| 04:51.58 | ameyer | cast: I was gonna say 2.6.8 was ancient when sarge came out, but apparently I overestimated its age |
| 04:52.05 | cast | ameyer: ahh, june 05, but at any rate depending how long the freeze was it could have a significantly older kernel |
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| 04:52.50 | \amethyst | stiv2k: I think Alt-F7 is the default metacity binding for moving a window |
| 04:53.15 | cast | alt-leftclick for me :D |
| 04:53.16 | stiv2k | \amethyst: what about resize |
| 04:53.16 | \amethyst | stiv2k: or hold down alt and drag it |
| 04:53.22 | ameyer | that too |
| 04:53.27 | \amethyst | alt-f8 |
| 04:53.41 | stiv2k | nice |
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| 04:54.46 | padd173 | What has webmin been replaced with in deb 4.0? Text-file editing? |
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| 04:54.56 | cast | !webmin |
| 04:54.56 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
| 04:55.26 | cast | webmin and its kin should be avoided at all costs |
| 04:56.00 | padd173 | ok |
| 04:56.36 | stiv2k | \amethyst: can i make that window and that one only run a script |
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| 04:56.42 | stiv2k | every time it loads |
| 04:57.00 | bjorkimacg3 | boy those A-Team shows were STOOOOPID! |
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| 04:58.02 | stiv2k | aw i cant fullscreen it anymore by pressing F11 |
| 04:58.48 | \amethyst | stiv2k: run it with -e 'command' |
| 04:58.51 | gargantua | how do you guys watch flash? what browser? etc. |
| 04:59.28 | glguy | internet explorer |
| 04:59.45 | gargantua | heh |
| 04:59.53 | jmichaelx | iceweasel or konqueror |
| 05:00.05 | gargantua | how did you install flash? |
| 05:00.09 | jmichaelx | or opera, if you are not an OS purist |
| 05:00.12 | gargantua | from the tarball I presume? |
| 05:00.28 | bjorkimacg3 | why's firefox called iceweasel? |
| 05:00.34 | bjorkimacg3 | it's not even clever. |
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| 05:00.45 | cast | bjorkimacg3: start iceweasel, click the links presented on the default page.. |
| 05:01.02 | cast | about:README.Debian to be exact |
| 05:01.10 | jmichaelx | the browser is open source, but the FF branding is propietary, therefore not in agreement with debian policies |
| 05:01.51 | cast | jmichaelx: not quite....i think debian was fine with having 'firefox' but mozilla asked debian to stop doing what they were doing. so they did. |
| 05:02.11 | jmichaelx | actually yeah, cast, that is more like it |
| 05:02.57 | cast | noticed lots of people put it in the light of it was debian being difficult, whereas i see it as mozilla being difficult |
| 05:03.10 | jmichaelx | cast: same here |
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| 05:04.16 | jmichaelx | gargantua: there are probably instructions on the adobe flash website on how to install flash... i don't think the flashplugin-nonfree in the repos works in etch |
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| 05:05.27 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I add a module to the PXE kernel loaded? exactly I want to load another NIC module to the niclist |
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| 05:06.15 | jmichaelx | the only issue i have had with 'iceweasel' was that rhapsody/real would not let me install the rhapsody plugin unless the browser identified itself as FF..... i installed Netscape (of all things) and installed the plugin init |
| 05:06.46 | jmichaelx | in it* |
| 05:07.04 | \amethyst | jmichaelx: about:config, look for general.useragent.extra.firefox |
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| 05:07.17 | \amethyst | jmichaelx: or get an extension to change user-agents |
| 05:07.51 | jmichaelx | \amethyst: ok, i figured there was a way to easily change how iceweasel identified itself... was not sure how, ty |
| 05:07.54 | stiv2k | how can i set it up so i can ssh to my server without it pestering me for a password every time |
| 05:08.15 | cast | stiv2k: ssh-keygen ssh-copy-id |
| 05:08.34 | Supaplex|roaming | ssh-copy-id rawkz |
| 05:08.41 | cast | stiv2k: there is approximately 93629 howtos on google ;) |
| 05:08.47 | \amethyst | and ssh-agent + ssh_add so you only have to type the passphrase once per session |
| 05:08.50 | stiv2k | cast: ok |
| 05:09.05 | cast | \amethyst: fuck that! *uses passwdless key* |
| 05:09.47 | \amethyst | cast: and some people use rsh :) |
| 05:09.48 | cast | i figure if someone can read 0600 dirs in my ~/ i'm up serious shit creek anyway |
| 05:10.56 | \amethyst | cast: but you don't want to be up serious shit creek on multiple computers :) |
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| 05:11.27 | cast | i could setup gpg-agent and with this FSFE supplied smartcard :), that would be best |
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| 05:11.44 | rage | Hey, I want to move Debian to another partition, is as simple as cp -pR /mnt/hda4 /mnt/hda1 and pointing grub at the new location or is there more to it than that? |
| 05:12.53 | \amethyst | rage: use -a not -pR (so multiply-hardlinked files stay that way) |
| 05:13.00 | cast | rage: use cp -a perhaps, but i dunno. i think that would work...try it and tell us :) |
| 05:13.08 | rage | hehe |
| 05:13.15 | cast | rage: ahh you might have to rebuild initrd or something |
| 05:13.34 | rage | How does grub know which partion to get /boot/grub/menu.1st from? |
| 05:14.27 | Supaplex|roaming | rage: grub-install. menu.lst is updated ala update-grub |
| 05:14.39 | rage | Ah okay |
| 05:14.49 | ampex2 | where does debian store package changelog information locally? |
| 05:14.59 | ampex2 | for example, where can I read about how a newly updated package has changed? |
| 05:15.11 | Supaplex|roaming | ampex2: /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/ |
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| 05:15.52 | \amethyst | ampex2: also note that upstream changes are not usually documented |
| 05:16.04 | Bogus8 | what could be different from my old FC3 box's samba config and a couple of debian boxes' configs that won't let my win2k machines save passwords on mapped network drives? |
| 05:16.05 | \amethyst | s/usually/always/ |
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| 05:16.15 | Bogus8 | one box is etchy and the other is an old mythtv (sid) box |
| 05:16.29 | Bogus8 | the user/pass is actually the same on all 3 boxes |
| 05:16.48 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: Have you reviewed BTS? |
| 05:16.58 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: BTS? |
| 05:17.08 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: sorry you are having to hear about this problem again ;) |
| 05:17.13 | mrynit | im trying to install etch from online using boot floppies. every thign works fine but it fails to let me select a network miror |
| 05:17.21 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell Bogus8 -about bts |
| 05:17.23 | stiv2k | how do i have ssh run a command upon logging in |
| 05:17.28 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: you should know better with sid. :) |
| 05:17.49 | mrynit | i loaded the 2 network drivers from to other floppies and that did not help any |
| 05:17.51 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: I actually know nothing about sid... It was just another box to test this on |
| 05:18.04 | auto359 | with debian etch, i am having an issue with ipv6 over ipv4 tunneling driver on boot, how do i disable that? |
| 05:18.28 | cast | why does http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=gnusolaris-users&a=2007-07&m=4682736 mention on the list of things they're doing '4) Debian www.debian.org/nexenta page (not finalized yet);' is that some vague suggestion that nexenta might end up part of debian? |
| 05:18.34 | linuxtk10 | is their anything out there for linux that if a server crashes something goes wrong anything it just restarts ? |
| 05:18.54 | cast | linuxtk10: there are things to monitor daemons and do that |
| 05:19.37 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: nagios, inittab, zabbix, to name a few |
| 05:19.43 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: you really think it's a "bug"? |
| 05:20.22 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: it's your investigation... |
| 05:20.42 | Bogus8 | gotcha.. you are saying LOOK... I'm on it |
| 05:20.49 | linuxtk10 | cast: i mean if something goes wrong i just want it to automatically restart it no questions asked |
| 05:21.04 | hacked_kernel_ | Hey guys I don't think its a filesystem corruption, I created file in the same dir and np with, I also added a new user and did sudo to the log files I get permission denied, I think there is something locking those log files |
| 05:21.18 | cast | linuxtk10: see but do you want that on a per service level or an OS level [automagically reboots] |
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| 05:22.58 | linuxtk10 | cast: os level automatically reboots |
| 05:23.20 | linuxtk10 | cast: dont care about servies or anything any kernel problems any problems with this or that automatically reboot asap |
| 05:23.26 | gonzaloaf | hi, I want to mount the kernerl that is loaded for my clients using PXE, in order to add a NIC module, how can I do that? |
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| 05:23.45 | linuxtk10 | cast: i would like a reliable one as well :D |
| 05:23.48 | cast | elvedin: we should start a club |
| 05:23.49 | elvedin | Approx. how long should this take - Generating DH parameters, 4096 bit long safe prime, generator 2 |
| 05:24.10 | cast | elvedin: depends on computer, but not that long i would have thought |
| 05:24.17 | elvedin | cast, only if it's a pyramid scheme |
| 05:24.19 | linuxtk10 | any ideas cast? |
| 05:24.33 | elvedin | Going on 4 minutes on a 3100+ Sempron |
| 05:24.41 | linuxtk10 | also id their any way to bind a tty to a network interface right after the network tcp stack has been loaded in the boot process? :P |
| 05:24.51 | linuxtk10 | netconsole is only 1 way |
| 05:24.54 | cast | linuxtk10: not really. i could imagine doing that with xen, but xen layer would add its own instability so *shrugs* |
| 05:25.03 | cast | elvedin: well, what command did you use and ill try :) |
| 05:25.15 | linuxtk10 | cast: so theres nothing out there for this ? |
| 05:25.21 | cast | elvedin: might be a bit faster in 64bit mode, noticed some crypto things are hugely faster |
| 05:25.23 | litage_ | the manpage for useradd says that the username must match [a-z_][a-z0-9_-]*[$]? . adduser is complaining about the username for this command despite the name matching the regex. any idea why?: sudo adduser --shell /bin/false --disabled-password --disabled-login bob_jones |
| 05:25.27 | elvedin | openssl dhparam -out /etc/blah.blah 4096 |
| 05:25.27 | cast | linuxtk10: dunno, i'm not one to know about such things |
| 05:25.40 | elvedin | Nice |
| 05:26.03 | elvedin | Also might need to mention a side note, 64 bit kernels only work when you have 64 bit Debian installed :| |
| 05:26.08 | linuxtk10 | is freebsd even a good console ? :P |
| 05:26.11 | linuxtk10 | i mean |
| 05:26.12 | linuxtk10 | OS |
| 05:26.14 | linuxtk10 | hehe |
| 05:26.16 | cast | linuxtk10: it is. |
| 05:26.25 | rage | FreeBSD! The console! |
| 05:26.31 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: it is. funny you want an unbiased opinion here. :) |
| 05:26.33 | rage | Coming to a toaster near you |
| 05:26.42 | \amethyst | elvedin: oh? |
| 05:26.44 | cast | i wonder how the FreeBSD feel about being called 'a console' |
| 05:26.47 | elvedin | That's nedbsd |
| 05:26.52 | rage | True |
| 05:27.08 | elvedin | \amethyst: Oh yeah, bet you didn't know that. :| |
| 05:27.40 | linuxtk10 | i was just wondering never once used it |
| 05:28.10 | linuxtk10 | they do have a really nice peice of software though |
| 05:28.14 | linuxtk10 | called ethercons |
| 05:28.34 | elvedin | cast: Are we racing now? I'm 10 minutes ahead |
| 05:28.42 | Supaplex|roaming | !kfreebsd |
| 05:28.48 | cast | elvedin: yeah...this is taking a while...in the world of crappy metrics, i get 8.5 dots per second |
| 05:28.51 | \amethyst | elvedin: have you filed a bug against the linux-image-2.6.foo-amd64 package? |
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| 05:29.03 | \amethyst | elvedin: they're packaging the amd64 kernel for i386 arch |
| 05:29.13 | Supaplex|roaming | !kbsd |
| 05:29.13 | dpkg | it has been said that kbsd is shorthand for debian's gnu userland under a FreeBSD kernel. See #gnu-kbsd |
| 05:29.17 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: ^^^^^^^ |
| 05:29.24 | elvedin | That's very quick. I'm getting 2 dots/sec |
| 05:29.57 | cast | elvedin: prepare to be pwned! i'm too lazy to work out how long before i catch up. |
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| 05:30.07 | elvedin | \amethyst: No, I did something "sillier". |
| 05:30.32 | elvedin | I'm on 21 lines |
| 05:30.49 | elvedin | And 11 + |
| 05:30.52 | elvedin | 12 |
| 05:31.10 | cast | different terminal widths, we have to count dots :o or pluses. what do pluses denote? a 'hit' of some sort? |
| 05:31.21 | cast | 17 +'s |
| 05:31.58 | linuxtk10 | i mean |
| 05:32.03 | elvedin | No idea, maybe just to excite you |
| 05:32.14 | linuxtk10 | what does freebsd offer p er say linux doesnt ? |
| 05:32.33 | cast | linuxtk10: 7.0 will have some ZFS support |
| 05:32.43 | linuxtk10 | ZFS? |
| 05:32.50 | simonrvn | !zfs |
| 05:32.50 | dpkg | i heard zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 05:32.53 | cast | linuxtk10: where have you been! |
| 05:33.37 | elvedin | 100 dots per line |
| 05:33.41 | elvedin | If I counted right |
| 05:33.43 | cast | linuxtk10: userland and kernel are in theory more closely linked, not sure if thats much sigificant thing |
| 05:33.47 | linuxtk10 | advantage of this file system is ? |
| 05:34.03 | cast | elvedin: echo 'allyourdotspastedhere'|wc -c :) |
| 05:34.14 | cast | elvedin: unless you're not in x |
| 05:34.39 | cast | linuxtk10: sec... http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/docs/zfs_last.pdf |
| 05:34.59 | linuxtk10 | whats the advantage though ? |
| 05:35.03 | elvedin | No, through webmin |
| 05:35.07 | elvedin | And I counted them by hand... |
| 05:35.22 | linuxtk10 | when was netconsole put into linux ? |
| 05:35.27 | stiv2k | how do i have ssh run a command upon logging in, such as 'screen -r' |
| 05:35.48 | elvedin | I don't think ssh does that |
| 05:35.54 | cast | stiv2k: use .bash*? |
| 05:35.55 | rage | bashrc? |
| 05:36.04 | rage | edit ~/.bashrc |
| 05:36.08 | linuxtk10 | i wondr how hard it would be for someone to port a freebsd driver to linux |
| 05:36.11 | stiv2k | cast: but not every time i log in, just whenever i want it to |
| 05:36.20 | elvedin | It was 101 dots... |
| 05:36.24 | cast | linuxtk10: like? |
| 05:36.32 | linuxtk10 | like what ? |
| 05:36.38 | elvedin | I actually counted it right the first time but thought 100 made more sense and I miscounted originally |
| 05:36.56 | rage | stiv2k: You want it to guess? |
| 05:37.03 | \amethyst | stiv2k: ssh user@host -t screen -r |
| 05:37.04 | stiv2k | what? |
| 05:37.04 | elvedin | stiv2k: That's the silliest thing ever. |
| 05:37.10 | stiv2k | i didnt say that |
| 05:37.36 | linuxtk10 | cast: i wonder how hard it would be for someone to port ethercons |
| 05:37.52 | stiv2k | thanks |
| 05:37.53 | \amethyst | stiv2k: you need the -t to make it use a pseudo-tty even though you're specifying a command |
| 05:38.13 | stiv2k | yeah it worked |
| 05:38.14 | stiv2k | awesome |
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| 05:39.01 | cast | elvedin: well, i'm up to 6000 dots |
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| 05:40.17 | elvedin | 36 lines :/ |
| 05:40.19 | elvedin | You win |
| 05:40.33 | cast | whats a 3100 clocked at? |
| 05:40.58 | elvedin | No idea, let me check |
| 05:41.05 | elvedin | 1.8 GHz |
| 05:41.30 | cast | ahh. 2GHz AMD64-X2 here |
| 05:41.39 | elvedin | Runs amazingly cool even under full load, or phpsysinfo lies to me |
| 05:42.08 | rage | The modern AMDs are quite cool |
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| 05:42.32 | elvedin | Yeah, my current desktop is a Thunderbird. It's not quite as cool |
| 05:42.32 | stiv2k | \amethyst: found something weird, upon logging in, this devilspie / terminal stays on workspace 1 until i switch to workspace 2 (even though its set to be on workspace 2 |
| 05:42.36 | stiv2k | ) |
| 05:42.37 | rage | Infact all the new processors seem to be very cool. |
| 05:42.51 | elvedin | Not the quadcore Intel processors |
| 05:43.02 | elvedin | Those seem to run quite hot |
| 05:43.15 | rage | My CPU fan is off 60% of the time, Core 2 DUo E6400 |
| 05:43.21 | rage | the other times its at 900rpm |
| 05:43.38 | rage | Its thermal controlled |
| 05:44.00 | elvedin | Hmm, which heatsink/fan? |
| 05:44.08 | rage | Stock |
| 05:44.13 | rage | but there are quite a few case fans |
| 05:44.14 | Bogus8 | no bugs reported on this issue |
| 05:44.26 | Bogus8 | the user/pass is actually the same on all 3 boxes |
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| 05:44.35 | Bogus8 | one box is etchy and the other is an old mythtv (sid) box |
| 05:44.47 | Bogus8 | what could be different from my old FC3 box's samba config and a couple of debian boxes' configs that won't let my win2k machines save passwords on mapped network drives? |
| 05:45.24 | elvedin | Approaching 26 minutes |
| 05:45.41 | elvedin | Note to self: Don't even think about 8192 bit keys |
| 05:45.47 | linuxtk10 | hey anyone here ever use netconsole ? |
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| 05:46.07 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: just nethack. >:) |
| 05:47.31 | elvedin | So much for setting up OpenVPN tonight |
| 05:48.54 | rage | I must setup VPN at some point, at the moment I'm taking a rather convoluted path to get to this channel, all network traffic where I am is blocked except to a HTTP only proxy server and a DNS/dhcp server |
| 05:49.30 | elvedin | Hmm |
| 05:49.50 | rage | httptunnel, ssh and ssh -X :-) |
| 05:50.08 | elvedin | I'm doing it to connect to a dedicated server so my porn downloads are safe from the university network |
| 05:50.17 | elvedin | I know they try to steal it |
| 05:50.34 | linuxtk10 | Supaplex|roaming: what is nethack ? |
| 05:50.42 | rage | Oh no |
| 05:51.00 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: you're not worthy :-D |
| 05:51.02 | \amethyst | !nethack |
| 05:51.02 | dpkg | well, nethack is a great roguelike game that kicks butt all over *angband. For more information, read http://www.nethack.org/ or newsgroup rec.games.roguelike.nethack apt-get install nethack; then run nethack. Movement is by default using the vi keys, but you can change the keybindings |
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| 05:53.40 | Klaps | nethack is a game? |
| 05:53.45 | \amethyst | yes |
| 05:53.59 | Supaplex|roaming | a classic |
| 05:54.19 | Klaps | the game is hacking people or a shooter or so? |
| 05:54.37 | Klaps | what game |
| 05:54.42 | \amethyst | Klaps: hack-and-slash loosely based on D&D |
| 05:54.53 | \amethyst | Klaps: kind of like diablo but turn-based and much more detailed |
| 05:55.03 | \amethyst | with ASCII graphics (by default) |
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| 05:55.15 | Klaps | ok |
| 05:55.16 | elvedin | alias nethack='rm -rf *' |
| 05:55.19 | \amethyst | Diablo is a nethack ripoff :) |
| 05:55.30 | Klaps | ok :) |
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| 05:55.55 | semprix | wtf |
| 05:56.31 | Klaps | is there a goo crypt packet to crypt hdds |
| 05:56.37 | Klaps | good* |
| 05:57.02 | Klaps | that anyone can recommemt |
| 05:57.15 | \amethyst | 'package' in English, not 'packet' |
| 05:57.16 | the-me | truecrypt, luks |
| 05:57.23 | Klaps | yes |
| 05:57.29 | linuxtk10 | does VNC need X to run or can one connect to it and see a text console ? |
| 05:57.41 | the-me | linuxtk10, first one |
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| 05:58.13 | \amethyst | linuxvnc |
| 05:58.39 | Hoxzer | :o why not use just ssh ? |
| 05:58.41 | \amethyst | !info linuxvnc |
| 05:58.45 | dpkg | linuxvnc: (VNC server to monitor a tty), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 05:58.58 | linuxtk10 | i see |
| 05:58.59 | linuxtk10 | cool |
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| 05:59.13 | Hoxzer | I dont see, not cool |
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| 05:59.27 | Hoxzer | YOu need to explain me why not use ssh ? |
| 05:59.34 | linuxtk10 | vnc is also a cool protocol as well |
| 05:59.42 | Hoxzer | :< |
| 05:59.45 | \amethyst | not for something like that :) |
| 05:59.46 | linuxtk10 | i will still use ssh |
| 05:59.52 | linuxtk10 | but VNC is far more flexible |
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| 06:00.00 | Hoxzer | :o ok |
| 06:00.08 | semprix | vnc without x? |
| 06:00.13 | linuxtk10 | vnc is a full kvm |
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| 06:00.29 | \amethyst | Hoxzer: linuxvnc lets you export existing ttys |
| 06:00.34 | Supaplex|roaming | I wonder if synergy has a vnc plugin (for systems w/o installable synergy) |
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| 06:00.53 | linuxtk10 | sysnergy is just a KM |
| 06:01.10 | \amethyst | Hoxzer: only works on virtual consoles though, not ptys |
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| 06:01.29 | Hoxzer | k |
| 06:01.58 | \amethyst | still, for most purposes, ssh + screen is much better |
| 06:02.14 | semprix | i agree with \amethyst |
| 06:02.20 | linuxtk10 | me as well |
| 06:02.22 | cast | elvedin: it's time to plot a graph. bits = {256,512,768,1024,1280,1536} ; time = {0.12,0.36,5.9,8.67,22,220} |
| 06:02.25 | Supaplex|roaming | ditto |
| 06:02.28 | semprix | screen spawns :) |
| 06:02.28 | linuxtk10 | iu am jus looking for a 2 way alternative for |
| 06:02.30 | Supaplex|roaming | for screen |
| 06:02.32 | linuxtk10 | netconsole :P |
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| 06:04.20 | linuxtk10 | anyone here ever use netconsole ? |
| 06:04.52 | Klaps | !info netconsole |
| 06:05.35 | linuxtk10 | you dont knwo what netconsole is ? |
| 06:05.48 | Klaps | no |
| 06:05.53 | cast | elvedin: http://bayes.math.montana.edu/cgi-bin/Rweb/nph-imageDump.pl?/tmp/Rout.12349.001001.gif x is bits...y is time...it doesn't look good :o |
| 06:06.04 | Klaps | mabe you can explain |
| 06:06.10 | linuxtk10 | i wish there was one just like it where it binded it too a embedded ssh or vnc server |
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| 06:06.23 | linuxtk10 | do you knwo what a COM port serial console is ? |
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| 06:07.01 | elvedin | No, it does not |
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| 06:07.10 | Klaps | i knwo what a com port is von serial console |
| 06:07.19 | elvedin | I should have done it on the Xeon 3060 |
| 06:07.22 | linuxtk10 | ok then |
| 06:07.48 | Klaps | what is a netconsole? |
| 06:08.06 | cast | elvedin: am going to cancel now..that's too close to exponential time for me :P |
| 06:08.12 | linuxtk10 | this netconsole which is built into linux kernel 2.6 allows you to psecify ip and port and it will send to you the boot process ........right after the tcp stack is initized which is the first thing it does after cpu ram timers then network |
| 06:08.17 | omg0 | !adobe flash |
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| 06:08.41 | Klaps | ok |
| 06:08.53 | elvedin | It's going to be a while |
| 06:09.00 | linuxtk10 | Klaps: so if your problem is not a network cpu ram or timer you will be able to see the boot process and you will be able to see what error it was if it crashed etc |
| 06:09.09 | omg0 | is there a adobe flash package? |
| 06:09.10 | linuxtk10 | Klaps: pretty cool |
| 06:09.12 | elvedin | Even Google can't tell me how large 2^4096 is |
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| 06:09.20 | Klaps | ah ok |
| 06:09.21 | cast | !tell omg0 about flash |
| 06:09.31 | elvedin | But I'm not going to cancel now since I'm so far into it |
| 06:09.37 | Klaps | thanks for clarification |
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| 06:09.58 | cast | elvedin: i can, time python -c 'print 2**4096' -> 0m0.014s :) |
| 06:10.11 | elvedin | noway |
| 06:10.14 | linuxtk10 | now freebsd has something called ethercons it allows to way communication like a true remote console Klaps |
| 06:10.33 | Klaps | maybe someone can add to the dpkg bot with the !info netconsole stuff |
| 06:10.51 | cast | elvedin: ....i'm going to add a few more datapoints to that graph, say one at 2048 to show you the sillyness of waiting :P |
| 06:10.53 | \amethyst | cast: so, doing some curve-fitting on those numbers |
| 06:11.12 | linuxtk10 | the netconsole in the linux kernel only sends to you dmsg stuff over the network doesnt allow for you per se if you see ap roblem send a command to it |
| 06:11.20 | linuxtk10 | only 1 way |
| 06:11.24 | cast | \amethyst: i want the end bit to have a bit more detail yet |
| 06:11.31 | linuxtk10 | the freebsd one is pretty cool |
| 06:11.32 | \amethyst | probably a good idea |
| 06:11.45 | elvedin | But I'm 40 some minutes into it... |
| 06:11.59 | elvedin | Not even NSA can get it |
| 06:12.01 | \amethyst | cast: try 1600 or so maybe |
| 06:12.09 | zinx | calc '2**4096' 0.00s user 0.00s system 0% cpu 0.004 total |
| 06:12.25 | \amethyst | elvedin: this is probably one of those things where you'll get it done faster if you wait a year or two and get a new computer |
| 06:12.56 | elvedin | I have a Xeon 3060 that I could have done it on but I didn't think it would take this long |
| 06:13.27 | bjorkimacg3 | elvedin, why do you need to find 2^4096? |
| 06:13.53 | elvedin | I don't, I'm generating a 4096 bit |
| 06:13.57 | elvedin | key |
| 06:14.19 | bjorkimacg3 | ah. get a quantum machine to do your doity work for you then :P |
| 06:14.23 | zinx | that is different from calculating 2**4096 |
| 06:14.33 | elvedin | Yes it is |
| 06:14.55 | elvedin | The Xeon isn't much quicker |
| 06:16.01 | elvedin | Even though it has twice the integer speed |
| 06:16.24 | cast | aww man. my graph is fatally flawed. openssl dhparam bits....runtime is variable for a set number of bits |
| 06:16.34 | linuxtk10 | btw debian crew |
| 06:16.35 | linuxtk10 | http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 06:16.39 | linuxtk10 | is cool stuff |
| 06:16.44 | Supaplex|roaming | !shfs |
| 06:16.44 | dpkg | methinks shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 06:17.25 | zinx | elvedin: next, find the factors of F64 (2**(2**64)+1) |
| 06:17.25 | Supaplex|roaming | I guess factinfo would have been less noisy. oh well. :) |
| 06:17.47 | cast | linuxtk10: don't use that... http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems |
| 06:17.51 | Supaplex|roaming | dpkg: 2**64 |
| 06:17.51 | dpkg | 18446744073709551616 |
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| 06:18.43 | elvedin | Pass |
| 06:18.47 | ricky | Hehe. |
| 06:19.02 | elvedin | I just wanted to make a nice VPN key |
| 06:19.02 | linuxtk10 | cast: whats the upside to encrypting a file system ? |
| 06:19.05 | bjorkimacg3 | what do you need such a large number for, elvedin ? |
| 06:19.20 | bjorkimacg3 | linuxtk10, it's encrypted! |
| 06:19.38 | elvedin | bjorkimacg3: A key for OpenVPN |
| 06:19.46 | linuxtk10 | any upside to that |
| 06:19.50 | zinx | elvedin: the number itself is over 2.3 exabytes.. though most of that is zeros :D |
| 06:19.50 | bjorkimacg3 | never used vpn. |
| 06:19.58 | cast | linuxtk10: ...i'm with bjorkimacg3 on this....the upside to encrypted filesystems is they're encrypted. |
| 06:20.14 | linuxtk10 | lets say i have an excrypted file system .....i have a httpd daemon runnign they break in .......could they see whats in there or no ? |
| 06:20.26 | linuxtk10 | or would it be encrypted |
| 06:20.27 | bjorkimacg3 | hrmmm. |
| 06:20.38 | bjorkimacg3 | they steal your harddrive. they're not the nsa. they see nothing. |
| 06:20.54 | linuxtk10 | im not worried about that |
| 06:20.57 | bjorkimacg3 | they subpoena your harddrive. they're the nsa. they torture you until you spit out the info. |
| 06:21.09 | linuxtk10 | listen |
| 06:21.15 | linuxtk10 | i am trying to stop the user |
| 06:21.22 | linuxtk10 | form breaking in and seeing everything |
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| 06:21.27 | cast | linuxtk10: if its mounted and the httpd has permission, then the httpd can see. |
| 06:21.33 | linuxtk10 | ok |
| 06:21.33 | wols | linuxtk10: they can see what www-data sees (the user ID which the httpd uses) |
| 06:21.39 | Guerin | linuxtk10: if the user can read it, then whoever compromises the user can read it. |
| 06:21.44 | linuxtk10 | anyway i can stop that :D |
| 06:21.47 | bjorkimacg3 | linuxtk10, i don't think breaking in would make a difference. |
| 06:21.54 | Supaplex|roaming | provided suexec isn't in the mix |
| 06:22.03 | linuxtk10 | suexec is only for apache |
| 06:22.05 | Supaplex|roaming | or suphp or something similar |
| 06:22.06 | bjorkimacg3 | yes, make sure they never break in :) |
| 06:22.11 | wols | and if they break in, you have to look out of priviledge escalation too |
| 06:22.15 | linuxtk10 | well im jus saying |
| 06:22.23 | elvedin | linuxtk10: Proper file permissions would be better |
| 06:22.27 | omg0 | how you deal with a site looking for adobe flash player |
| 06:22.29 | bjorkimacg3 | linuxtk10, there's a way i can propose. in freebsd, there're jails. |
| 06:22.32 | linuxtk10 | is their anything i can install to maybe well not encrypt well i dunno hide hmm |
| 06:22.46 | bjorkimacg3 | if they break into that jail, they're stuck there. |
| 06:22.49 | linuxtk10 | i use linux vserver |
| 06:22.54 | linuxtk10 | i knwo alll about jails |
| 06:22.54 | bjorkimacg3 | it's also free. |
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| 06:23.00 | cast | running thttpd or similar httpd with static content is a good way to negate the breaking in through httpd issue |
| 06:23.04 | bjorkimacg3 | so why're you asking these questions? |
| 06:23.07 | linuxtk10 | but the jail will have stuff in it too :P |
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| 06:23.19 | linuxtk10 | its not like i want them seeing everything in the jail either ? |
| 06:23.21 | elvedin | And like a real jail, hackers wont want to break into your (choroot?) jail |
| 06:23.29 | Supaplex|roaming | vserver > jail/chroot |
| 06:23.39 | bjorkimacg3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.39 | atoponce | help. i can't install network-manager-gnome |
| 06:23.50 | Supaplex|roaming | atoponce: in debian or ubuntu? |
| 06:23.52 | linuxtk10 | Supaplex|roaming: ah yea |
| 06:23.56 | atoponce | fails on depending on an older version of network-manager |
| 06:24.00 | atoponce | Supaplex|roaming: debian sid |
| 06:24.02 | linuxtk10 | arent jails more powerful then chroots ? |
| 06:24.08 | Supaplex|roaming | atoponce: anything in bts? |
| 06:24.10 | omg0 | !flash |
| 06:24.10 | dpkg | i guess flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 06:24.40 | atoponce | Supaplex|roaming: bts? |
| 06:24.45 | cast | linux doesn't have 'jails' does it? it has jail like things - like chroot or vserver, but i was under the impression jails was a freebsd thing... |
| 06:24.47 | Guerin | linuxtk10: the best way to stop people from seeing your shemale pr0n collection is to not have a shemale pr0n collection |
| 06:24.47 | Supaplex|roaming | !btssmites atoponce |
| 06:24.54 | troubled | hey guys, you ever heard of an extended hda3 and hda5 part conained in it being listed in gparted before hda2 which is at the end of the drive on the chart? |
| 06:24.55 | Supaplex|roaming | !btssmite atoponce |
| 06:25.23 | cast | Guerin: there are acceptable compromises and unacceptable ones, i'll leave it for you to conclude which not having a shemale pr0n collection falls under! |
| 06:25.41 | Guerin | cast: quite. |
| 06:26.02 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: your sick ;) |
| 06:26.07 | Supaplex|roaming | shred -u all your vices :P |
| 06:26.31 | elvedin | 64 minutes.. Should I just go to bed? |
| 06:26.35 | Guerin | linuxtk10: my sick what? |
| 06:26.39 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: where did you get pornography from securing a webserver :P |
| 06:26.49 | linuxtk10 | but hey |
| 06:26.49 | linuxtk10 | whats better |
| 06:26.52 | linuxtk10 | chroot |
| 06:26.56 | linuxtk10 | or jail ? |
| 06:27.00 | elvedin | jail |
| 06:27.04 | linuxtk10 | and is jail avaliable for linux ? |
| 06:27.04 | Supaplex|roaming | !jail |
| 06:27.04 | elvedin | No |
| 06:27.08 | Supaplex|roaming | no |
| 06:27.12 | linuxtk10 | damn |
| 06:27.33 | Guerin | linuxtk10: `securing a webserver' is not `ZOMG can they see my stuffs if the break inz?' If they break inz, mate, you have bigger issues than them seeing your shemale pr0n collection, or whetever else you're so concerned with hiding. |
| 06:27.33 | Supaplex|roaming | !jail is only in bsd. see <vserver> |
| 06:27.36 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex|roaming |
| 06:28.08 | \amethyst | http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/talks/lk-2002/paper/chroot.ps |
| 06:28.15 | \amethyst | it's rather old, but perhaps useful |
| 06:28.21 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: dude its a customer machine that allows full access to a network where theres about 100 ip's por favor |
| 06:28.25 | elvedin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD_jail |
| 06:28.40 | Guerin | linuxtk10: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 06:28.46 | linuxtk10 | wtf? |
| 06:28.49 | wols | if you're sooo paranoid, use a hypervisor based setup and make the webserver a VM |
| 06:28.50 | linuxtk10 | you askeed |
| 06:29.01 | linuxtk10 | wols: i did that as well |
| 06:29.16 | linuxtk10 | but there will always be a connection between the VM and the main network server interface |
| 06:29.22 | omg0 | !nonfree |
| 06:29.23 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about <vrms> |
| 06:29.48 | linuxtk10 | so if i can restrict that as much as possible i would be glad to do it |
| 06:29.51 | hacked_kernel_ | cast: u there? |
| 06:30.21 | linuxtk10 | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Jail |
| 06:30.24 | linuxtk10 | what exactly is this ? |
| 06:30.32 | Guerin | linuxtk10: the question of access to the 100 ips has nothing whatever to do to whether you can read the contents of a drive |
| 06:30.33 | cast | hacked_kernel_: i have a u here, yes. |
| 06:30.49 | Guerin | so your question does not match the security problem you seek to solve |
| 06:30.56 | Guerin | !info msttcorefonts |
| 06:30.57 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 2.3 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 192 kB |
| 06:31.16 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: it's just a chroot wrapper, it looks like |
| 06:31.23 | hacked_kernel_ | cast: i mounted the image and trying to sudo ls -l for the logs but it prints ?---------------? ? ? ? for all *.log |
| 06:31.28 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: you havent been following the conversation |
| 06:31.35 | linuxtk10 | \amethyst: so not a true jail :( |
| 06:31.49 | Guerin | linuxtk10: if you want a bsd jail, use bsd. |
| 06:31.54 | cast | hacked_kernel_: nfi. :> |
| 06:32.15 | cast | Guerin: he can still use debian :D [i presume kbsd has, or will have, jails] |
| 06:32.19 | linuxtk10 | i will for my bsd server |
| 06:32.24 | Guerin | cast: guess so too. |
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| 06:32.39 | linuxtk10 | kbsd run on linux ? |
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| 06:32.48 | Guerin | linuxtk10: think reeeeally hard about that |
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| 06:32.59 | linuxtk10 | i didnt fucking know holy shit |
| 06:33.02 | linuxtk10 | Guerin: seriously |
| 06:33.07 | KsRyno | hi |
| 06:33.08 | Guerin | or answer the question: ford runs on subaru? |
| 06:33.11 | linuxtk10 | stop talking to me |
| 06:33.11 | linuxtk10 | :D |
| 06:33.24 | cast | linuxtk10: what is linux? |
| 06:33.33 | linuxtk10 | the kbsd |
| 06:33.46 | KsRyno | trying to get a linksys wpc11 v4 running under etch |
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| 06:33.53 | bonez39 | I am installing etch on an older machine...it has a new 400 gb hdd though and it's not too slow....just seems like the floppy to network install is taking forEVER....should it move rather slowly at the start..while downloading the base files and other stuff? |
| 06:33.56 | Guerin | linuxtk10: the kbsd is not linux. No. |
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| 06:34.02 | elvedin | cast, done at 75 minutes for dhparam |
| 06:34.08 | KsRyno | but i cant get power to the card |
| 06:34.13 | Guerin | bonez39: depends on your network and which mirror you chose |
| 06:34.26 | DarKnesS_WolF | i have a question ..... if i have a deb package and i want to know what options the applications is ./confugred with ... how to know that ? |
| 06:34.36 | cast | elvedin: i noticed an element of randomness to the runtimes, which might make sense as its looking for a random prime... |
| 06:34.39 | \amethyst | DarKnesS_WolF: a binary deb or a source deb |
| 06:34.43 | \amethyst | DarKnesS_WolF: ? |
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| 06:34.51 | linuxtk10 | cast: sorry i thught whe nyou said he can still use debian and kbsd willl have jails made it seem like it was some kind of modified bsd that could run on a linuc kernel or on top of or something |
| 06:34.58 | cast | elvedin: now the question is...is using such a big prime going to slow down all your SSL operations? |
| 06:34.58 | bonez39 | Guerin: guess I have to go with what I have for now....I chose something that looked like denver, co but it may be elsewhere..... |
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| 06:35.07 | Guerin | KsRyno: some (many?) pci wireless cards need a particular pci revision and won't run on older mobos, because they can't suck enough diesel. I had this problem with my ralink. |
| 06:35.10 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: have you looked at VServer? |
| 06:35.14 | atoponce | any help on why network-manager-gnome is conflicting with network-manager would be greatly appreciated |
| 06:35.21 | elvedin | Yes, it will |
| 06:35.24 | linuxtk10 | \amethyst: i use it |
| 06:35.27 | Guerin | atoponce: i blame gnome. |
| 06:35.28 | linuxtk10 | \amethyst: alot |
| 06:35.32 | sontek | in my ps aux my apache says that apache is reserving 230472 memory, is there a configuration option to tell it to reserve less? |
| 06:35.33 | Guerin | !alot |
| 06:35.33 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 06:35.33 | KsRyno | it ran fine under win 98 and win xp |
| 06:35.35 | elvedin | I'm getting "string is too long, it needs to be less than 2 bytes long" |
| 06:35.41 | Guerin | KsRyno: on the same board? |
| 06:35.43 | linuxtk10 | \amethyst: but a real server -> vserver -> jail would be cool :P |
| 06:35.45 | KsRyno | yep |
| 06:35.45 | \amethyst | sontek: which column? |
| 06:35.49 | Guerin | KsRyno: funky. |
| 06:35.57 | sontek | \amethyst: its VSZ, the virtual mem |
| 06:36.00 | Guerin | linuxtk10: s/cool/pointless/ |
| 06:36.06 | KsRyno | o know i cant figure it out |
| 06:36.15 | sontek | \amethyst: i'm on a VPS so my memory usage is measured by the virtual "reserved" memory |
| 06:36.15 | atoponce | Guerin: any ideas? |
| 06:36.20 | \amethyst | sontek: how big is RSS? |
| 06:36.24 | \amethyst | sontek: ah |
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| 06:36.41 | cast | linuxtk10: vserver is very like a jail surely? |
| 06:36.51 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 06:36.51 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and 42 starving dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 06:37.03 | Guerin | cast: more jail-like than a jail, yes. |
| 06:37.09 | KsRyno | guerin: debian doesnt detect the hardware |
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| 06:37.30 | Guerin | KsRyno: that's not the same as it not getting power. Load the appropriate kernel module. What says lspci? |
| 06:37.44 | atoponce | here is the pastebin of my error: http://pastebin.ca/674402 |
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| 06:37.56 | omg0 | does contrib non-free go onto every line or not on the security line |
| 06:38.09 | linuxtk10 | cast: yea it is but a jail inside of a vserver would be nice as well |
| 06:38.11 | linuxtk10 | btw |
| 06:38.11 | elvedin | Oh crap |
| 06:38.11 | Guerin | o depends on your needs. |
| 06:38.17 | Guerin | omg0: ↑ |
| 06:38.17 | DarKnesS_WolF | \amethyst: a binary deb |
| 06:38.20 | elvedin | I know what's wrong |
| 06:38.22 | KsRyno | guerin: the kernel modules are correct |
| 06:38.22 | linuxtk10 | theres a bsdjail patch for linux hmmm wonder if its any good |
| 06:38.33 | \amethyst | DarKnesS_WolF: usually not, then |
| 06:38.37 | atoponce | i think the repos are out of sync? |
| 06:38.52 | omg0 | don't understand Guerin |
| 06:38.56 | DarKnesS_WolF | \amethyst: i have this postgresql-postgis and i want to know what options they did build the package with .. how to do so? |
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| 06:39.17 | omg0 | I am trying to add adobe flash. |
| 06:39.28 | omg0 | !non-free |
| 06:39.28 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about <vrms> |
| 06:39.54 | \amethyst | DarKnesS_WolF: get the source package and read debian/rules |
| 06:40.09 | DarKnesS_WolF | \amethyst: okay thx |
| 06:40.17 | \amethyst | DarKnesS_WolF: 8.1 or 8.2? |
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| 06:40.40 | cast | omg0: then go compile gnash |
| 06:40.45 | linuxtk10 | is their things i can do to prevent users from breaking out of a chroot ? |
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| 06:40.59 | cast | oh. sorry. slight of my reading.... i read i am trying to avoid adobe flash |
| 06:42.53 | elvedin | At 1024 bits, it's flying... |
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| 06:45.15 | atoponce | will an update for network-manager-gnome soon follow? seems network-manager was updated on the 27th, and just pushed in |
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| 06:47.30 | linuxtk10 | anyone i am out for today pretty much got it figured out but anyways |
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| 06:48.40 | atoponce | The following packages have unmet dependencies: network-manager-gnome: Depends: network-manager (= 0.6.4-8) but 0.6.5-1 is installed. network-manager: Conflicts: network-manager-gnome (< 0.6.5-1) but 0.6.4-8 is to be installed. |
| 06:48.47 | atoponce | is the error i'm getting |
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| 06:51.04 | \amethyst | atoponce: downgrade network-manager to 0.6.4-8 and hold it until the update comes in |
| 06:51.24 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:51.30 | DarKnesS_WolF | \amethyst: 8.1 |
| 06:52.06 | \amethyst | DarKnesS_WolF: I was looking at the 8.2 source package was why I asked, but it's too many parameters to paste in here anyway |
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| 06:55.20 | DarKnesS_WolF | \amethyst: how can i get the source of the 8.1 package :D? |
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| 06:58.59 | \amethyst | DarKnesS_WolF: go to a directory you don't mind putting some files and a subdirectory in, then do apt-get source postgresql-8.1-postgis |
| 06:59.17 | DarKnesS_WolF | \amethyst: thx |
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| 07:01.19 | \amethyst | DarKnesS_WolF: then in postgis-1.1.6/debian/rules (it's a Makefile), look at the install-arch target |
| 07:01.35 | omg0 | cast, I have no clue what you were talking about earlier with gnast |
| 07:01.43 | atoponce | \amethyst: so, in general, when seeing packages "kept back", just leave them there? they'll resolve themselves naturally? |
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| 07:02.03 | atoponce | i mean, when an update comes in, that is? |
| 07:02.05 | cast | omg0: yeah, ignore that. i thought you wanted a to avoid adobe flash |
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| 07:02.18 | niru | The file /media/disk//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 07:02.33 | \amethyst | generally that's okay. I recommend using aptitude, its conflict resolution is much nicer than apt-get's |
| 07:02.44 | omg0 | does that work well |
| 07:02.47 | atoponce | yeah. i use aptitude all the time |
| 07:03.18 | omg0 | cast, sounded like I had to do extra work than the regular aptitude install stuff |
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| 07:03.23 | atoponce | well, it looks like downgrading worked |
| 07:03.35 | atoponce | \amethyst: thx for your help |
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| 07:05.42 | sontek | hey, is there a way to verify the package I've installed is good? |
| 07:05.52 | sontek | I'm having some weird things happen with apache right now |
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| 07:06.21 | semprix | anyone here played flightgear |
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| 07:08.07 | \amethyst | sontek: debsums <package-name> |
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| 07:08.34 | triplc | Hi all |
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| 07:09.18 | sigp239 | Where can I download a lenny net install iso? |
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| 07:10.44 | triplc | How to set SMART_HOST for sendmail? I am used to use another distro, which has the directive "SMART_HOST" in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. But I do not find that directive in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc in debian. Can I just go ahead and insert that there in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc, or Debian requires to change that settings in another file? |
| 07:10.46 | atoponce | sontek: what's going on with your apache server? |
| 07:10.51 | omg0 | !xfs |
| 07:10.51 | dpkg | xfs is, like, the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures. |
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| 07:11.23 | sontek | atoponce: theres something wrong with OpenVZ (a virtualization app) and its freaking out my apache server worker processes and they are using over 200mb memory each |
| 07:11.32 | sontek | atoponce: if I set ulimit -s 32 it works just fine |
| 07:11.34 | omg0 | why would I need xfs? |
| 07:11.35 | \amethyst | sigp239: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ |
| 07:11.39 | sontek | atoponce: I just shouldn't have to do that =) |
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| 07:11.54 | atoponce | sontek: yeah. that seems a *bit* high. :) |
| 07:11.58 | \amethyst | sigp239: never mind, that's still etch |
| 07:12.00 | Supaplex|roaming | sontek: apache in a guest, or on the host? |
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| 07:12.14 | atoponce | sontek: i'll have to look at how we have it setup at work. we're running openvz as well |
| 07:12.28 | sontek | Supaplex|roaming: guest |
| 07:12.44 | \amethyst | sigp239: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:12.53 | sigp239 | \amethyst> yea I can't find lenny net install iso anywhere on debian site |
| 07:12.56 | sontek | atoponce: I'm pretty sure its a problem with using worker, i'm switching to prefork right now to test my theory |
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| 07:13.27 | sigp239 | \amethyst> yea that's the page I was looking at but I still don't see the iso file |
| 07:14.19 | dimir | triplc: I believe that would be the correct file. |
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| 07:14.51 | sigp239 | \amethyst> for example, this is empty http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:15.00 | dimir | triplc: or you could try dpkg-reconfigure sendmail |
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| 07:15.11 | triplc | dimir: ok, I'll try. |
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| 07:15.47 | triplc | dimir: already run sendmailconfig (not dpkg-reconfigure) but it does not ask about Smart Host |
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| 07:15.54 | omg0 | I get this error when I try to install flashplayer: http://pastebin.ca/674424 |
| 07:16.08 | \amethyst | sigp239: it seems that there hasn't been one since august 25th |
| 07:16.11 | \amethyst | sigp239: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/20070825-2/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 07:16.55 | dimir | triplc: try dpkg-reconfigure first. |
| 07:17.03 | sigp239 | \amethyst: wow how did you ever find that? I don't think that was linked directly from that web page |
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| 07:17.19 | semprix | lol i installed flight gear and i cant get to locate the exec files |
| 07:17.39 | omg0 | it downloads the package but I get md5sum mismatch install_flash_player |
| 07:17.58 | \amethyst | sigp239: nope, I took directory components off the end of the URL until I found something useful, then dug deeper :) |
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| 07:18.12 | omg0 | !md5sum |
| 07:18.14 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 07:18.16 | semprix | Setting up flightgear (0.9.10-2) ... |
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| 07:18.30 | azeem | semprix: dpkg -L flightgear | grep bin |
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| 07:18.52 | semprix | azeem, nothing |
| 07:19.13 | semprix | and it says Setting up flightgear, so it should be installed somewhere |
| 07:19.17 | sigp239 | \amethyst: hrm maybe that's a bug in that web page then. it shouldn't ever link to empty ftp directories.... |
| 07:19.29 | sigp239 | but I wouldn't know how to solve that in an automatic way |
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| 07:20.14 | \amethyst | sigp239: maybe worth filing a bug against the website |
| 07:20.15 | omg0 | cast, you know anything about installing the adobe flash? |
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| 07:21.17 | semprix | azeem, got it |
| 07:21.21 | omg0 | !flashplayer-nonfree |
| 07:21.37 | omg0 | !flash |
| 07:21.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 07:21.51 | \amethyst | sigp239: actually, probably against cdimage.debian.org |
| 07:22.38 | ameyer | there might be a good reason for it |
| 07:22.40 | \amethyst | sigp239: that is a pseudo-package in the BTS for the CD images |
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| 07:23.12 | sigp239 | is there really a difference between amd64-netinst and i386-netinst? |
| 07:23.21 | sigp239 | I thought that CD was multi-arch? |
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| 07:23.43 | \amethyst | it was multiarch up until a week or so ago |
| 07:23.49 | \amethyst | at least going by what's in the archives |
| 07:23.50 | rootard | Does Debian still use dak? |
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| 07:23.56 | azeem | rootard: yes |
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| 07:24.08 | rootard | azeem: thanks |
| 07:24.37 | sigp239 | any idea when .22 kernel will get into testing? |
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| 07:25.23 | roy_muzz | Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if where the boot information is stored. So the text that comes up when you first turn your machine on. thanks |
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| 07:26.03 | \amethyst | roy_muzz: which text? |
| 07:26.17 | \amethyst | roy_muzz: lots of text comes up when I turn my machine on |
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| 07:26.30 | Guerin | !why is linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 not in testing? |
| 07:26.30 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.22-1-686 |
| 07:26.35 | Guerin | sigp239: ↑ |
| 07:26.47 | sigp239 | Guerin: wow what a hunk of text! |
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| 07:26.52 | sigp239 | is there an answer for dummies like me? |
| 07:27.12 | Guerin | sigp239: the link provides the answer you seek. But there are no guarantees the answer is simple. |
| 07:27.23 | Guerin | sigp239: teh answer for dummies is `when it's ready' |
| 07:27.33 | liable | with a lol |
| 07:27.39 | roy_muzz | \amethyst: the boot information, no cpu/ram speeds but after you have been through grub |
| 07:27.40 | Guerin | lol optional |
| 07:27.54 | \amethyst | Guerin: from the looks of that, the kernel would have to be migrated manually to testing |
| 07:28.00 | rootard | sigp239: it looks like there are things that it depends on that are not available yet. |
| 07:28.03 | ameyer | sigp239: it breaks a lot of packages |
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| 07:28.09 | roy_muzz | \amethyst: sorry not CPU/RAM speeds |
| 07:28.19 | \amethyst | roy_muzz: like "such and such hardware found" and "starting such and such service" ? |
| 07:28.22 | liable | roy_muzz: most is available in dmesg |
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| 07:28.36 | Guerin | \amethyst: it'll fall in eventually |
| 07:28.37 | liable | roy_muzz: if you need exact, /msg dpkg bootlogd |
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| 07:29.55 | rootard | What software lives behind: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl |
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| 07:30.10 | liable | erm, perl :P |
| 07:30.21 | sontek | is there a way to get the apache2.conf to be regenerated ? |
| 07:30.28 | \amethyst | rootard: did you miss the very last link on the page? |
| 07:30.36 | Eulex | !tell sontek about confmiss |
| 07:31.03 | rootard | yeah, but ... in specific, what takes care of automagically building packages from available sources? |
| 07:31.17 | rootard | Sorry, that was an ill-phrased question. |
| 07:31.26 | \amethyst | rootard: http://www.debian.org/devel/buildd/ |
| 07:31.45 | rootard | Excellent. Thanks again. |
| 07:31.49 | azeem | rootard: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:32.14 | rootard | I'm hoping to setup something similar for Nexenta. Un-officially for now though. |
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| 07:32.24 | azeem | ok |
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| 07:32.34 | omg0 | Can anyone help me with my little problem |
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| 07:32.46 | Guerin | omg0: only if you tell us what it is |
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| 07:33.36 | omg0 | Guerin, I did but I will again. I get this here error: http://pastebin.ca/674424 |
| 07:33.56 | sontek | Eulex: I did apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 and I still don't have apache2.conf back |
| 07:34.16 | Guerin | sigp239: because it's not provided by apache2 |
| 07:34.19 | liable | apache2-common |
| 07:34.23 | Guerin | sontek: because it's not provided by apache2 |
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| 07:34.50 | Guerin | omg0: complain to macdobedia; flash is NOFP |
| 07:34.54 | Boberto | Is there any way to check your CPU temperature in Knoppix? I can't install the lm_sensors package because it tries (unsuccessfully) to update glibc. |
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| 07:35.04 | cast | when i run the command querybts pax on etch, the list of bugs i get is for etch right? its not the bugs in the pax pkg accross stable/testing/unstable is it? |
| 07:35.12 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell Boberto -about based on debian |
| 07:35.14 | Guerin | Boberto: ask #knoppix |
| 07:35.24 | Boberto | ok, sorry |
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| 07:35.36 | Guerin | cast: no, bugs are not separated per-branch |
| 07:35.38 | azeem | cast: I'm not sure querybts knows about versions that much |
| 07:36.17 | harpal | I have installed new debian 4.0. when I open my file interfaces I see allow-hotplug eth0, can any one tell me whats this allow-hotplug? |
| 07:36.19 | oldude67 | omg0, just cause you downloaded flash doesnt mean you installed it. |
| 07:36.21 | cast | so when i check querybts and it says a bug has been fixed it doesn't nec. mean its been fixed for me in etch, it might have been fixed in testing and unstable instead, right? |
| 07:36.35 | omg0 | oldude67, It's not installed |
| 07:36.40 | oldude67 | no |
| 07:36.44 | sontek | do you guys know of any reason why apache would use 224m on load with worker mpm? If I do ulimit -s 32 it fixes it |
| 07:36.46 | Guerin | cast: correct. You need to check the version in which it was fixed. |
| 07:36.46 | azeem | cast: yes |
| 07:37.00 | azeem | cast: probably better to use the web interface for that |
| 07:37.01 | omg0 | oldude67, can you guide me through the installation? |
| 07:37.10 | oldude67 | omg0 you downloaded the source file..you need to check and see if there is a deb file |
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| 07:38.34 | cast | bugger. it would be nice if there was such functionality in something |
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| 07:39.00 | azeem | cast: the BTS has been teached about versions only recently |
| 07:39.34 | rootard | sontek: it could be for a variety of reasons. It really depends on your config and what kind of load you are seeing. |
| 07:40.16 | rootard | sontek: it's probably a better question for the apache room. IDK what that is offhand, maybe #apache. |
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| 07:41.23 | omg0 | oldude67, it seems the deb file was downloaded. I used "aptitude install ...." http://pastebin.ca/674438 |
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| 07:43.18 | oldude67 | omg0, im to use to slack now that i am probably not the right person to ask for this, but shouldnt be hard to fix. |
| 07:44.07 | oldude67 | omg0, ask google...you should get a good responce |
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| 07:44.25 | omg0 | ok can someone help me with the installation of this file `./install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz' |
| 07:45.30 | omg0 | oldude67, shouldn't it be as easy as installing any app that's in tar.gz form |
| 07:45.46 | cast | not really. its a closed source app |
| 07:46.01 | cast | AFAIK you just have to drop the plugin in the right folder for ff to find |
| 07:46.08 | azeem | omg0: debian-multimedia has flashplayer I think, I suggest you install that |
| 07:46.19 | oldude67 | omg0,you have to get a thing that says yes i agree..... |
| 07:46.28 | oldude67 | and all the b.s. with it |
| 07:46.30 | roy_muzz | liable: that command didnt work. Did you want me to type "/msg dpkg bootlogd" |
| 07:46.47 | omg0 | I did that. its part of the installation process |
| 07:46.56 | azeem | roy_muzz: in your irc client, yes |
| 07:47.05 | liable | roy_muzz: yes, in your irc client, minux the quotes, thenn check for a reply from dpkg in another window |
| 07:47.16 | oldude67 | then i would say go with what azeem says..and use debian... |
| 07:47.34 | azeem | omg0: seems the installation process is broken |
| 07:47.43 | sep | is it possible to change what application evolution opens a attachement in without installing nautilus (and 50MB of gnome dependencies) ? |
| 07:48.07 | omg0 | seems it is. Seems they've been there before earlier this year with same problem |
| 07:48.17 | cast | next question, if one is using backports.org, and i have echo 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf, i do a aptitude install -t etch-backports mercurial, then later the backport of mercurial gets updated, when i run a plan ol aptitude upgrade will it upgrade the backport as well as all the normal stuff? |
| 07:48.17 | oldude67 | azeem, where did you see that...in his install it didnt show an error... |
| 07:48.49 | azeem | oldude67: it said md5sum mismatch, no? |
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| 07:49.33 | oldude67 | azeem, yep...sorry i didnt see that...yes your right |
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| 07:49.55 | omg0 | ok cast, is they free flash you mention earlier aptitude ready? |
| 07:50.11 | [tor] | Which package provides inotify headers? |
| 07:50.24 | oldude67 | omg0, it was azeem |
| 07:50.46 | cast | omg0: could be, dunno. i doubt it. |
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| 07:51.43 | oldude67 | or maybe im in the middle of ...idk, kind of thing... |
| 07:51.45 | omg0 | azeem, I am not astute linux guy. I simple guy using it so far for desktop stuff and to start practicing my networking |
| 07:52.07 | azeem | omg0: also, it seems there is a working flashplayer-nonfree package in backports.org |
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| 07:52.41 | omg0 | how do I use backports stuff with aptitude? |
| 07:52.53 | azeem | !debian-multimedia |
| 07:52.53 | dpkg | hmm... debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 07:53.04 | oldude67 | i really think macro needs to get there head out of there arse...but thats my o:D |
| 07:53.04 | Supaplex|roaming | omg0: read the site |
| 07:53.10 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell omg0 -about backports |
| 07:53.11 | azeem | omg0: I suggest you use that, the package is called "flashplayer-mozilla" |
| 07:54.33 | oldude67 | laters all |
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| 07:57.58 | omg0 | I shall give it one more shot and try dpkg with it and if it doesn't work. I shall call it a night as I am fighting to stay awake |
| 07:58.38 | azeem | omg0: the flashplayer-nonfree problem isn't with aptitude or dpkg, it's with the package itself |
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| 08:02.13 | vlt | Hello. I need to access an LVM volume. Can you reccommend a small live cd distro (or debian installer?) that is lvm2 capable? |
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| 08:03.24 | sep | vlt, almost any linux live distro should do it. including debian live, and the debian installer. |
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| 08:04.51 | vlt | sep: mmh, I'm sitting at a friend's ubuntu feisty box and can't access his lvm. `lvmiopversion` returns 0. Any idea how to activate it in ubuntu? |
| 08:05.05 | trebor_win | vlt: there is a distro called RIP (rescue is possible) |
| 08:05.06 | azeem | vlt: ask #ubuntu, please |
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| 08:05.36 | MadRush | so lets say i load up debian stable as a LAMP stack, as well as the occasional SMB, NFS and FTP usage. i imagine getting security updates would be the first step, but from there, what can i do (debian specific) to make it airtight? |
| 08:05.58 | vlt | azeem: I already did. But I think if anyone can help that it's the debian people ;-) |
| 08:06.19 | cast | MadRush: presume this is on a lan right? if you want airtight tell me how selinux goes :) |
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| 08:06.48 | MadRush | yep its on a lan, the idea is if it really is 'airtight' its gonna be on the intarwebs as well |
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| 08:07.27 | MadRush | i got used to portaudit on freebsd, but, for the available hardware it looks like i gotta go linux |
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| 08:07.51 | cast | what did portaudit do? |
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| 08:08.12 | MadRush | heh, it says, package so and so is insecure. fix it dumbass. |
| 08:08.39 | cast | ahh. well aptitude upgrade will take care of that, so no issue there with, as you mentioned, the security updates |
| 08:08.43 | cydork | MadRush: check /msg dpkg harden |
| 08:09.11 | MadRush | ooh nice |
| 08:09.15 | MadRush | me gusta how-tos |
| 08:09.36 | cydork | MadRush: that how-to has most of the stuff you would need. |
| 08:09.37 | cast | i bet shitty php applications will be your problem |
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| 08:09.57 | MadRush | eh, well if they are, i'll be the one responsible for creating the problems :) |
| 08:10.15 | MadRush | and that's a matter of becoming a better scripter |
| 08:10.31 | MadRush | ... and doing my homework on scripts im running |
| 08:11.55 | tarzeau | can i rotate the display in framebuffer console, 90 degrees ccw on sparc? |
| 08:11.57 | cast | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html#s4.9 huh, noexec looks like it doesn't suck anymore [ie: be worked around with /lib/ld-linux.so.2 file |
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| 08:12.28 | cast | MadRush: php scripts i presume? |
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| 08:21.59 | marc7 | so I've gone crazy everybody... I'm trying to unpack a .deb so that I can tweak the debian/control and debian/install scripts, but dpkg --unpack and --extract don't seem to be unpacking the .deb in the format that I'm looking for that still has the "debian" configure scripts |
| 08:22.49 | SlayerXP | marc7: you'll need to get the source package to get those. |
| 08:22.53 | SlimG | Can anybody recommend a webinterface for ISC DHCP Server that lists the dhcp lease table with additional info (no interaction required, just status) |
| 08:23.07 | marc7 | SlayerXP: I've got the .deb in front of me, isn't that enough? |
| 08:23.23 | SlayerXP | marc7: no, you need the source package |
| 08:23.55 | MadRush | hey ... debsecan is like portaudit |
| 08:23.57 | MadRush | nifty |
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| 08:25.01 | marc7 | SlayerXP: that made my night way harder... they're already a third party's repackage of dell's openmanage server applications which are only officially released for RHEL or SuSE |
| 08:26.59 | simonrvn | marc7: even the control.tar.gz just has the package management scripts only (md5sums, postinst, etc.) |
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| 08:27.49 | simonrvn | SlimG: what's wrong with running a pager on the lease file? |
| 08:28.32 | marc7 | that's okay, that's just what I'm looking for. all the binaries have been precompiled already for i386-generic and are distributed by dell... I want to use dpkg-buildpackage to repackage the binaries |
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| 08:29.13 | marc7 | with my own installation script |
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| 08:31.04 | simonrvn | er, why not just repack it, a la mkdir foo.d; dpkg -x foo.deb foo.d; mkdir -p foo.d/DEBIAN ; then untar the control tarball into foo.d/DEBIAN and do your edits, then repack it |
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| 08:33.39 | marc7 | nice! well I didn't know how to extract the control tarball, much less what it was called. a quick google on 'extract control.tar.gz' gave me the 'ar' command which I used to do just that. thanks simon, exactly what I needed :) |
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| 08:34.05 | SlimG | simonrvn: I would like the /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases file listed as a simple html table, and I've got no time to write such a PHP script myself |
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| 08:34.35 | simonrvn | SlimG: i dunno if this exists... might want to see sf.net or freshmeat |
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| 08:37.36 | frez | Hi! I need to add the SDK's bin directory to my PATH environment variable, but don't know exactly how to do it.. |
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| 08:38.12 | streuner | Is there NO README or such about? |
| 08:38.30 | frez | No readme about that.. It only says that I need to add it.. |
| 08:38.30 | frez | :S |
| 08:38.36 | xand | !path |
| 08:38.36 | dpkg | somebody said path was the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
| 08:38.46 | cast | frez: could try to stow it, also |
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| 08:39.08 | frez | stow it? |
| 08:39.39 | cast | to use stow on it |
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| 08:40.20 | Guerin | frez: export PATH=/path/to/your/dir:$PATH |
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| 08:40.31 | Guerin | stow is overkill in this case |
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| 08:41.33 | simonrvn | but it's cast's favourite util :P |
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| 08:41.56 | frez | ah okey, don't know what stow is.. :P |
| 08:42.09 | cast | i only wish someone had told me about stow years ago |
| 08:43.22 | toki | Helo, Im getting 400~600ms ping to a server beside mine in the same network, anybody have any idea why is this happening? |
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| 08:43.39 | Guerin | i confuse people occasionally by using `stoned' in the old sense - as in, heady from booze, not specifically on dope |
| 08:43.56 | cast | Guerin: perhaps @ overkill, if there's man pages and sbin and etc..then maybe not :) |
| 08:44.37 | Guerin | i like checkinstall |
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| 08:44.43 | Guerin | stow sounds better, but it's what I knw |
| 08:44.54 | frez | so what is stow acctually? |
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| 08:45.26 | Guerin | frez: it enables you to puit something not in debian in a specific place where you won't leave bits of it scattered around the place, as you would with make install |
| 08:45.27 | cast | frez: stow sets up a wad of symlinks to /usr/local/bin /usr/local/sbin etc..from where you actually installed the pkg |
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| 08:45.35 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.55 | Guerin | checkinstall makes debian packages, though, which is more better |
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| 08:46.20 | frez | hehe :P |
| 08:46.26 | Guerin | cast: it's like a bag of eels, only in the right place |
| 08:46.41 | Guerin | mmm, eels |
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| 08:46.44 | wols | mmmhhmmmm... eeels |
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| 08:47.32 | frez | where do I find my sdk bin directory? |
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| 08:47.40 | azeem | frez: which sdk? |
| 08:48.25 | frez | to sec |
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| 08:49.31 | azeem | to sec? |
| 08:49.43 | simonrvn | i think s/he meant 'two' |
| 08:49.52 | azeem | two sec? |
| 08:49.57 | Guerin | onds |
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| 08:50.03 | frez | I have installed the sun-java6-jdk package and the free-java-sdk |
| 08:50.06 | frez | with apt |
| 08:50.09 | azeem | aha |
| 08:50.13 | Guerin | frez: you have my condolences. |
| 08:50.14 | frez | I did mean two sec |
| 08:50.15 | frez | :P |
| 08:50.25 | azeem | frez: and what are you trying to do? |
| 08:50.26 | wols | frez: dpkg -L <package name> | grep bin |
| 08:50.41 | Guerin | have those lazy bastards at Sun gotten around to GPLing java properly yet? |
| 08:50.50 | azeem | I think so |
| 08:51.25 | wols | not yet afaik |
| 08:51.50 | ameyer | Guerin: sort of |
| 08:52.08 | ameyer | and I wouldn't call what they're doing GPLing it |
| 08:52.42 | wols | I thought they haven't fully GPLed it yet (it has exceptions anyways, no?) |
| 08:52.55 | PerfDave | Guerin! |
| 08:53.06 | ameyer | wols: it's also not officially released |
| 08:53.54 | ameyer | actually, the license is similar to the LGPL, kinda like the gnu c runtime's license |
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| 08:54.22 | azeem | ameyer: that'd be the classpath license |
| 08:54.30 | ameyer | I believe so |
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| 08:54.36 | ribasushi | hi |
| 08:54.46 | azeem | the compiler etc. is GPL'd the libraries are classpath'd |
| 08:54.47 | ameyer | with added exceptions for their binary blob |
| 08:54.51 | azeem | I don't see the issue |
| 08:55.00 | azeem | ameyer: what binary blob? |
| 08:55.14 | ribasushi | can someone recommend me a how-to create binary debian packages? all the official how-tos deal with creating a source package and then a binary out of it, which does not apply to my case |
| 08:55.15 | ameyer | azeem: the stuff they can't GPL |
| 08:55.30 | ameyer | I guess it should be blobs |
| 08:55.46 | wols | ribasushi: but that is the only way to create binary debs |
| 08:55.55 | azeem | ameyer: AFAIK you will be able to use their jdk with GNU classpath libs, and vice-versa |
| 08:56.05 | azeem | I don't think this would work if they had additional binary blobs |
| 08:56.05 | Supaplex|roaming | ribasushi: binary of what? maybe dpkg-deb is what you want. |
| 08:56.07 | wols | binaries are made from source |
| 08:56.36 | ribasushi | wols: ok let me make this clearer - I need to package a heavily modified/stripped down exim |
| 08:56.43 | ribasushi | wols: I have the tree tuned the way I want |
| 08:56.51 | ribasushi | wols: I just want to capture that for easy deployment |
| 08:56.52 | ameyer | azeem: until further notice, they have binary blobs,,, |
| 08:56.56 | wols | modify its source, create a .deb from it. done |
| 08:57.17 | wols | ameyer: do you know for which parts? ie what is in th eblobs? |
| 08:57.17 | ameyer | they're allegedly working on replacing all the code they don't own |
| 08:57.18 | azeem | ameyer: which is why it takes a while to GPL stuff, AIUI, but by the release those will be gone |
| 08:57.23 | azeem | at least that is my understanding |
| 08:57.47 | ribasushi | wols: so you are suggesting to gut the original exim source package? |
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| 08:58.18 | wols | ahow did you create your hacked one? |
| 08:58.21 | PerfDave | ribasushi: You might want to copy the debian/ folder from the Debian exim source package into your exim tree, and see if dpkg-buildpackage works in your tree, then tweak as appropriate. |
| 08:58.26 | om_ | hello debian guys |
| 08:58.33 | PerfDave | om_: And girls |
| 08:58.42 | cast | PerfDave: were is she?! |
| 08:58.50 | ribasushi | wols: from scratch (original source, not debians) |
| 08:59.03 | PerfDave | cast: If you were a girl on #debian would you admit to it? :) |
| 08:59.06 | wols | then ask #exim. we can only deal with debian problems |
| 08:59.13 | cast | if i wanted help :) |
| 08:59.16 | ribasushi | wols: there are no source modifications, just compile time options and different startup scripts/spool structure |
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| 08:59.24 | azeem | cast: trust me, you wouldn't |
| 08:59.50 | wols | the apply your changes to the debian exim source package and create a deb from that with dpkg-buildpackage or whatever |
| 08:59.53 | solitude| | right, question |
| 08:59.56 | ribasushi | wols: but this is a debian problem - I have a number of files I want to package - it might have been the microsoft ntldr - what difference does it make |
| 09:00.01 | ribasushi | PerfDave: I'll try that |
| 09:00.07 | wols | cast: hai seksi. wanna cyb3r? |
| 09:00.08 | om_ | so how is your debian distro working:? |
| 09:00.08 | solitude| | fresh etch install, xfce4 was installed then removed, then kde was instaled |
| 09:00.11 | om_ | are you guys happy with it? |
| 09:00.15 | kirushik | ribasushi: checkinstall is quick and dirty way |
| 09:00.24 | solitude| | but startx starts xfce4, even though i removed it with --purge |
| 09:00.35 | solitude| | how can i actually remove xfce and startkde ith startx? |
| 09:00.35 | kirushik | You type it from root instead of make install |
| 09:00.37 | PerfDave | ribasushi: You might have more luck using the Debian source package, hacking your makefile changes into debian/rules |
| 09:00.46 | PerfDave | om_: I'm happy with all my Debian systems |
| 09:00.50 | wols | solitude|: dpkg -l |grep xfce |
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| 09:00.52 | kirushik | it tracks all filesystem changes and make .deb for it |
| 09:00.53 | om_ | nice nice |
| 09:00.53 | om_ | hehe |
| 09:01.05 | om_ | had you try gentoo before? |
| 09:01.08 | om_ | perfdave? |
| 09:01.13 | liable | cast: he's not really a blond 18yo! |
| 09:01.13 | PerfDave | om_: Yes, sadly |
| 09:01.19 | om_ | sadly? |
| 09:01.21 | om_ | why you say that |
| 09:01.22 | solitude| | wols, and then? |
| 09:01.34 | cast | come on....this is freenode/#debian. not undernet/\#.* we, despite popular stereotypes, can deal at least slightly with girls. remember half the name is a girls :> |
| 09:01.37 | PerfDave | om_: because it was slow and buggy, so I went back to Debian. |
| 09:01.37 | Supaplex|roaming | om_: I've only used it in a vserver guest to build pxegrub (and some other oddities I don't recall) |
| 09:01.39 | wols | solitude|: and then you put the results in a pastebin |
| 09:01.45 | solitude| | ok :) |
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| 09:01.55 | kirushik | ribasushi: .deb file is a simple archive - unpack one of packages - it is simple inside |
| 09:02.15 | kirushik | you are free to pack such an archive by hands... |
| 09:02.26 | om_ | had you guys hear about |
| 09:02.31 | PerfDave | liable: I'm a 6' blonde! |
| 09:02.35 | om_ | this new sabayon distro? |
| 09:02.43 | dondelelcaro | ugh. don't create .debs by hand. |
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| 09:02.55 | liable | PerfDave: um, and thats all i want to know! :P |
| 09:02.57 | PerfDave | om_: No, but I doubt it's relevant to #debian ;) |
| 09:03.00 | kirushik | ribasushi: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 09:03.07 | dondelelcaro | use dpkg-deb |
| 09:03.08 | solitude| | www.pastebin.ca/674482 |
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| 09:03.34 | ribasushi | 10000 ways to do the same thing |
| 09:03.39 | PerfDave | ribasushi: We're not *that* bad are we? ;) |
| 09:04.09 | frez | Well, my problem is that I'm trying to install Lejos, a program to code java with lego robots.. I've downloaded that tar file, unpacked it, and when I type make I only get "The import java.util is never used" 32 times |
| 09:04.11 | ribasushi | PerfDave: I don't know, maybe the fact I know perl rather well gives #perl a percieved advantage :) |
| 09:04.12 | dondelelcaro | there's lots of entry points, but all roads lead to dpkg-deb |
| 09:04.13 | wols | PerfDave: we don't want your height. women can be very tall (look at Ms Hilton) and still look fugly |
| 09:05.00 | solitude| | any idea wols? |
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| 09:05.16 | om_ | i try debian before and i believe that ifyou really want to learn about linux you need to use gentoo hehe |
| 09:05.33 | PerfDave | om_: Do you actually have a Debian-related question or are you just here to talk about Gentoo and Sabayon? |
| 09:05.36 | wols | solitude|: yes. uninstall xfce. you neither have uninstalled nor purged anything |
| 09:05.41 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: I guess I'll just read more on that then |
| 09:05.43 | solitude| | i did wols |
| 09:05.52 | solitude| | at the command line i did apt-get remove --purge xfce4 |
| 09:05.55 | wols | solitude|: you clearly did not. dpkg -l does show it |
| 09:06.00 | om_ | yeah i have questions |
| 09:06.01 | om_ | dont worry |
| 09:06.02 | solitude| | uhh, i did |
| 09:06.03 | om_ | my friend |
| 09:06.06 | solitude| | ill do it again then ... |
| 09:06.06 | ameyer | wols: according to Sun, "The larger encumbered components requiring binary files for a full build include the font rasterizer, the graphics rasterizer, and the sound engine. Smaller components include some cryptographic algorithms, some SNMP code, and some of the imaging APIs." |
| 09:06.16 | solitude| | is "apt-get remove --purge xfce4" the right command? |
| 09:06.31 | PerfDave | om_: Then fire away :) |
| 09:06.36 | wols | that is not xfce4, that is a meta package. do it for all xfce packages showing in that dpkg -l command |
| 09:06.43 | dondelelcaro | solitude|: if xfce4 is currently installed, yes. |
| 09:06.55 | solitude| | wols, ok, thanks |
| 09:06.56 | om_ | why debian suck so much? thats my question hehe |
| 09:06.59 | om_ | no just a joke |
| 09:07.03 | om_ | my question is |
| 09:07.03 | dondelelcaro | (well, to purge xfce4; damned if I know what you're actually trying to do) |
| 09:07.05 | wols | ameyer: java ships with fonts, no? doubt they can "free" that |
| 09:07.05 | Supaplex|roaming | !sucks |
| 09:07.06 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 09:07.14 | PerfDave | solitude|: How did you install xfce4? |
| 09:07.14 | solitude| | dondelelcaro,to purge xfce4 |
| 09:07.16 | Supaplex|roaming | om_: elaborate if you will |
| 09:07.22 | solitude| | i did "apt-get install xfce4" |
| 09:07.28 | ameyer | wols: Not sure, to be honest |
| 09:07.30 | wols | om_: the question is: why do you suck so much? |
| 09:07.32 | om_ | is there a 64 bit version in debian? |
| 09:07.40 | wols | om_: several |
| 09:07.46 | PerfDave | om_: There are several 64-bit Debian variants |
| 09:07.55 | wols | om_: amd64, sparc64, IA64, etc. all supported |
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| 09:08.04 | om_ | ok |
| 09:08.05 | PerfDave | wols: Don't forget ppc64! |
| 09:08.10 | om_ | do you know why gentoo is much better than debian? |
| 09:08.15 | PerfDave | solitude|: Ah, this is one reason to use aptitude rather than apt-get - it'd "know" when you removed xfce4 that you wanted to remove all the dependencies. |
| 09:08.17 | om_ | i dont know why |
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| 09:08.18 | liable | oh, fuck off |
| 09:08.18 | PerfDave | !ops om_ trolling |
| 09:08.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: perfdave complains about: om_ trolling |
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| 09:08.26 | PerfDave | Cheers dondelelcaro :) |
| 09:08.38 | wols | dondelelcaro: took you wayyy to long :P |
| 09:08.54 | solitude| | PerfDave, ah |
| 09:08.56 | solitude| | right |
| 09:08.59 | solitude| | thanks |
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| 09:11.14 | efaistos | is there a way to have a good resolution under gnome ? I tried dia to show someone benefits of free software but she said seeing the screen : "It doesnt look so nice !!!" but under windows everything was smooth and looks pretty good ... |
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| 09:11.21 | streuner | sometimes i wish we would be all OPs like in #bash, less trolls... |
| 09:11.53 | dondelelcaro | everyone can be their own op |
| 09:11.54 | cast | efaistos: you can set the resolution you want, sure, your monitor will have an optimal/native one |
| 09:11.58 | dondelelcaro | it's what /ignore is for |
| 09:12.03 | wols | efaistos: define "good resolution" |
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| 09:12.20 | wols | efaistos: you know how your use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to set your resolution and color depth? |
| 09:12.39 | wols | !tell efaistos about drxx |
| 09:12.51 | streuner | dondelelcaro: plus it would solve the issue about nobody available... |
| 09:13.52 | liable | could be quite amusing too |
| 09:13.52 | efaistos | wols: i know that but even with that the fonts are big ... |
| 09:13.52 | streuner | if somebody doing crap it ends in a ban then... |
| 09:13.52 | dondelelcaro | it's actually pretty rare that an op isn't around |
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| 09:13.53 | liable | dondelelcaro: not as rare as you think |
| 09:13.56 | liable | especially when .us is sleeping |
| 09:13.56 | efaistos | i would like to have them small ... but when i try to setup it with the gnome tool it just looks awful |
| 09:14.03 | dondelelcaro | liable: oh, I know exactly how rare it is, cause I see those requests |
| 09:14.22 | wols | efaistos: use another font. there are 100dpi and 75 dpi ones for example |
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| 09:14.48 | efaistos | cast: i didnt say anythin |
| 09:15.09 | efaistos | it was 1024x768 and i just changed to 1280x1024 |
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| 09:15.13 | wols | efaistos: get the 100dpi fonts. check if it'S installed |
| 09:16.00 | streuner | liable: no way, dondelelcaro says mostly no what i suggested ;-) |
| 09:16.51 | liable | streuner: i try and disagree with you as much as possible myself :P |
| 09:17.01 | liable | jk |
| 09:17.15 | streuner | dondelelcaro: those REAL OPs have access to chanserv, they have in fact the possibility to control if needed... |
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| 09:17.54 | liable | #bash doesnt really seem to get the trolls like we do though |
| 09:18.17 | numist | #bash isn't as popular |
| 09:18.31 | numist | or attract the same sort of user |
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| 09:19.38 | L0cKn | toki: lol |
| 09:19.39 | dondelelcaro | streuner: having to deal with controlling random people who are +o is one of the reasons I'm not particularly into it; there's also no reason to have the +o as a status symbol, either. |
| 09:20.12 | toki | D: |
| 09:20.19 | liable | it hurts my eyes, I even deop myself in #bash ;) |
| 09:20.23 | DeFender1031 | hello, i just upgraded from etch to lenny and now everything is in like 300 pt font and i can't use my computer. Is there some confg fle somewhere i need to change? I use KDE |
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| 09:21.03 | indraveni | hi all, |
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| 09:21.34 | indraveni | if I am adding debian reposirity location in my sources.list file , and executing apt-get update then the command executes well wtihout any warinng messages |
| 09:21.40 | streuner | dondelelcaro: well, greycat made some experiences, i think he could tell you more about his expierences, i made only ones such an experience; but iam more idle there... |
| 09:21.45 | dondelelcaro | and really, there's a lot that people can do without being +o to deal with trolls; not arguing with them, treating them respectfully, and ignoring them when they successfully troll you are all within everyone's ability |
| 09:22.04 | indraveni | but here i created a local debian repo in our organizationa and executing the apt-get command shows a warning message like |
| 09:22.05 | ix | how can I select which java compiler the system uses as default? |
| 09:22.28 | wols | check what javac points to |
| 09:22.55 | indraveni | no publix gpg key pressent |
| 09:23.00 | indraveni | why is it so? |
| 09:23.14 | PerfDave | indraveni: Becuase there's no public key present? |
| 09:23.20 | wols | !topicsmite indraveni |
| 09:23.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon indraveni. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:23.21 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: that's because the release file is signed with a public key which you have not added. |
| 09:23.28 | ix | wols: I thought there was an application which fixed it. The easiest way is to change the symlink? |
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| 09:23.37 | indraveni | I generated a gpg key file and import that into the cliet system and added it under trusted keys |
| 09:23.52 | wols | ix: only install the jdk you actually need. use the Sun one, ditch the rest |
| 09:23.55 | indraveni | and now it works fine, but with debian official site without doing all this at the client end |
| 09:23.59 | indraveni | eveything goes well smooth |
| 09:24.11 | indraveni | for such thing, what do I need to do in my repository ? |
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| 09:24.29 | ix | wols: Well, I didn't do this, some other guy I'm helping is. Easiest way is to purge all the components he doesn't need? |
| 09:24.34 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: if you're using the official Debian mirror, it's done automatically. |
| 09:24.47 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: installing apt-keyring updates it (at least for stable) |
| 09:25.12 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: if you're talking about a custom repository, then you need to distribute the keys to the clients and install them using apt-key |
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| 09:25.34 | wols | ix: imho yes since otherwise one might "mix'n'match" different jdks. which I doN#t think is good |
| 09:25.40 | wols | ix: dpkg -l |grep java |
| 09:25.42 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: And you need to use that key to sign the releases files on the custom repository |
| 09:25.58 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Which I think is indraveni's problem |
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| 09:26.11 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: yeah, though you don't have to use a signed release file |
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| 09:27.12 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Won't apt-get whine at you if you don't? |
| 09:27.16 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: nope |
| 09:27.19 | PerfDave | Oh, OK |
| 09:27.26 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: it only complains if it's a signed release file and it doesn't have the k\ey |
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| 09:27.49 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, yes ur last point is my case |
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| 09:28.14 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, but i dont want my clients to do all that stuff of apt-key |
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| 09:28.48 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, how can I make my repo work like official debian repo which doesn't give a usr trouble of using apt-key |
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| 09:29.27 | mseng | indraveni: have a look at "man apt.conf" |
| 09:29.48 | nick_fn | Does anyone know where I can go to ask for advice on fetching photos of an SD card that is faulty? I was using it in my camera, then suddenly it says the card isn't suitable; and syslog says sdc: too big for this kernel. Use a kernel compiled with support for large block devices. (it's a 512MB card) |
| 09:29.49 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: you have to either not use a signed release, or you have to have a package which causes the key to be installed. |
| 09:31.24 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, how will i know that I am using signed release file or not? |
| 09:31.36 | PerfDave | nick_fn: Sounds like the partition table is knackered. I would use dd_rescue on the raw device to a file, then use the photo rescue program whose name escapes me on that file to extract things that look like JPEGs |
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| 09:32.11 | lxix | oy |
| 09:32.15 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, you check updating with repo |
| 09:32.19 | nick_fn | PerfDave: I'll try dd_rescue. dd didn't help, it thinks the device is 0 bytes long - SCSI device sde: 0 512-byte hdwr sectors (0 MB) |
| 09:32.30 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, deb http://packages.bosslinux.in/boss anant main |
| 09:32.42 | streuner | nick_fn: so you dont have even access to the SD card at all? |
| 09:32.58 | PerfDave | nick_fn: You might need to copy the raw device (/dev/sdc) rather than a partition (/dev/sdc1) on it. |
| 09:33.10 | nick_fn | streuner: I've not been able to get anything at all from /dev/sde, no |
| 09:33.18 | nick_fn | PerfDave: yeah, tried as such :-( |
| 09:33.31 | bullgard4 | /etc/fstab includes a line "/dev/scd0 /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0" After inserting a data CD another Disk mounter applet appears and its tooltip informs: "CD drive not mounted." How can I mount this CD now? |
| 09:33.43 | nick_fn | dd_rescue gets EOF straight away from /dev/sde |
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| 09:34.57 | larsl | bullgard4: 'mount /dev/scd0' ? |
| 09:35.41 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: that particular source shouldn't be giving you an error. Use a paste site to give the complete output |
| 09:36.21 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, now I remove a Release.gpg file from my repository and now everything goes well |
| 09:36.31 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, as like debian site |
| 09:36.38 | streuner | nick_fn: grep -i blocksize /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 09:36.47 | dondelelcaro | oh, you had one, and then removed it. |
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| 09:37.09 | nick_fn | CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_BLOCKSIZE=1024 |
| 09:37.25 | nick_fn | streuner: this card _did_ work a few days ago, I've had it years.... |
| 09:37.31 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: yeah, if you have a Release.gpg, then it has to contain a signature by a key that has been added to apt-key |
| 09:37.52 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, ok, thankyou |
| 09:37.54 | dondelelcaro | could be that it's just reporting insanely incorrect block sizes or something |
| 09:38.00 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, i need one more help |
| 09:38.17 | nick_fn | dondelelcaro: do you know how I can override that with a likely good value? |
| 09:38.18 | indraveni | dondelelcaro, i want to create a contents file in my repo, so tha apt-file search command works |
| 09:38.23 | dondelelcaro | nick_fn: no idea, actually. |
| 09:38.29 | indraveni | can i get the steps to do that? |
| 09:38.31 | Cratos | How do I configure Debian 4.0 to bring a NIC up "ifconfig eth0 up" without attaching any protocol to it at boot? |
| 09:38.46 | dondelelcaro | indraveni: man apt-ftparchive; and read about the contents line |
| 09:38.49 | streuner | Cratos: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 09:40.39 | DeFender1031 | hello, i just upgraded from etch to lenny and now everything is in like 300 pt font and i can't use my computer. Is there some confg fle somewhere i need to change? I use KDE |
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| 09:41.45 | larsl | I have a laptop with a CD/DVD reader/writer, but it doesn't seem to have a device file - the only /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* file is /dev/sda and its partitions (which is the harddrive). Any suggestions what I can do to fix it? |
| 09:41.56 | larsl | KDE doesn't detect it either when I insert a DVD. |
| 09:42.20 | DeFender1031 | config file* |
| 09:42.29 | Cratos | streuner: As far as I know the Debian tools always go for TCP/IP with DHCP or fixed IP I need neither. |
| 09:42.37 | streuner | larsl: well, you need a udev rule most likely |
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| 09:42.48 | larsl | dmesg | grep DVD and dmesg | grep CD doesn't show anything relevant. |
| 09:42.52 | larsl | streuner: Any pointers? |
| 09:43.39 | streuner | larsl: http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq#AEN236 |
| 09:43.50 | DeFender1031 | asnyone? |
| 09:44.01 | xdr | anyone know a musikplayer equivalent to amarok wich uses gtk? |
| 09:45.21 | streuner | larsl: #ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd ; KERNEL=="hdc", SYMLINK+="dvd" |
| 09:45.29 | larsl | streuner: That page says nothing about udev... and cdrecord -scanbus shows nothing. |
| 09:45.51 | larsl | streuner: I don't have a hdc device either. |
| 09:46.10 | streuner | larsl: so change it to your needs |
| 09:46.33 | streuner | /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules |
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| 09:47.50 | larsl | It doesn't look like the kernel even recognises the DVD reader. |
| 09:47.59 | larsl | I did boot the Lenny install DVD from it though. |
| 09:48.19 | streuner | nothing in dmesg? |
| 09:48.23 | larsl | Nope. |
| 09:48.41 | streuner | *raises his eyebrow* |
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| 09:49.04 | efaistos | some evolution users ? Can we manage to use procmailrc with evolution to get mails from an imap servers ? |
| 09:49.23 | nick_fn | xdr: I like Quod Libet, not sure how similar it is though :-) |
| 09:49.36 | streuner | efaistos: procmail dont get those mails... |
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| 09:49.40 | xdr | I wan't one with music library |
| 09:49.53 | nick_fn | xdr: yes, it keeps track of the library |
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| 09:50.11 | streuner | efaistos: procmail just _filter_ messages between your MTA and your local system |
| 09:50.21 | xdr | ok, i'll check that one out |
| 09:50.43 | DeFender1031 | hello? |
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| 09:51.02 | efaistos | streuner: ok how can i manage to get all my mails from the imap server and then use procmail to filter them ? |
| 09:51.08 | streuner | larsl: just check out if the DVD-Writer/Player is ok and the connections are well too |
| 09:51.37 | larsl | streuner: It's a builtin one, it was OK when I installed Lenny two days ago. |
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| 09:56.12 | phix | cyrus/imap[24481]: badlogin: localhost [127.0.0.1] PLAIN [SASL(-16): encryption needed to use mechanism: security flags do not match required] |
| 09:56.36 | sangriag | how can I convert dbx files to mbx in debian? I tried dbxconv but it failed. I have 2GB big inbox.dbx file but the program says it contains no messages. I need to read it with thunderbird |
| 09:56.51 | phix | any ideas? |
| 09:56.56 | streuner | efaistos: i just found a good HOWTO, but its in german ;-) |
| 09:57.20 | Dunedan | I'm searching something like irssi-proxy for icq. Does somebody know if there is an app for that problem? |
| 09:58.06 | efaistos | streuner: send it |
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| 09:59.17 | streuner | http://www.schiessle.org/howto/debian-imap-howto/index.html |
| 10:00.07 | larsl | streuner: I just tried booting the installation DVD again, worked OK. |
| 10:00.16 | larsl | So there's nothing wrong with the drive itself. |
| 10:00.22 | streuner | efaistos: basic thing, you just need to tell your MTA to use procmail |
| 10:01.00 | efaistos | yeah and take fetchmail to get the mails from the imap server |
| 10:01.02 | efaistos | ;) |
| 10:01.15 | streuner | no |
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| 10:02.06 | streuner | mailserver > MTA > procmail > stored local mails > evolution |
| 10:02.07 | larsl | streuner: And with the shell on the installer, I _do_ get a /dev/hdb. |
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| 10:02.52 | streuner | larsl: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 10:02.56 | efaistos | streuner: why i shouldnt use fetchmail ? |
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| 10:03.09 | streuner | why you should? |
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| 10:03.37 | larsl | streuner: Will boot from the harddisk and check. |
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| 10:03.40 | streuner | you want *filter* mails, that's all |
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| 10:04.01 | efaistos | yeah but i want to get them from the imap server |
| 10:04.48 | obnauticus | What's a good cli only newsreader that supports nzb's and possibly SSL |
| 10:05.04 | Jonah | hi guys, i'm using debian elive, but no one in their irc seems to be able to help. i'm using evolution for email but links in emails don't open up in iceweasel, you just click and nothing happens. i installed gconf-editor and changed default gnome browser in there but that doesn't seem to work either... can anyone help me please |
| 10:05.07 | larsl | streuner: "ii libc6 2.6.1-1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries" |
| 10:05.36 | streuner | larsl: what kind of Debian release is that? |
| 10:05.50 | streuner | !elive |
| 10:05.50 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 10:05.51 | larsl | streuner: Lenny, with the latest updates. |
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| 10:06.25 | streuner | !info libc6 lenny |
| 10:06.25 | babilen | hi there... |
| 10:06.30 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
| 10:06.51 | babilen | i am looking for good documentation on how fonts are handled in debian/lenny |
| 10:06.52 | streuner | larsl: did you use the working kernel? |
| 10:07.08 | Jonah | dpkg, i know but elive uses etch and all i want to know is how to get debian to open up links in iceweasel by default from gnome apps when not using gnome desktop |
| 10:07.09 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Jonah |
| 10:07.10 | streuner | larsl: i guess its a 2.6.18 |
| 10:07.26 | babilen | i was a bit surprised that i have not a single fontpath in my xorg.conf |
| 10:07.40 | larsl | streuner: Rebooting with that kernel... |
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| 10:08.03 | liable | Jonah: dpkg is a bot, elive isnt debian, try update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 10:08.03 | babilen | and would like to read up on font configuration in recent linux systems as my old ways do not seem to be valid anymore |
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| 10:08.38 | sangriag | is there any utility to convert the outlook .dbx files to thunderbird mbox files? |
| 10:08.55 | Jonah | liable, thanks - imagine you didn't use gnome and only had kde, but you used the gnome email client (evolution), when you click a link someone sends you it doesn't open in iceweasel, it just doesn;t do anything, how can i change this? |
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| 10:09.13 | babilen | i created my xorg.conf using the debconf called configuration program and tainted it with aticonfig afterwards... |
| 10:09.18 | liable | i told you |
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| 10:10.19 | babilen | i want to change the order in which fonts are included, so xorg tries my true type fonts supplied by xfstt first and tries a carefully selected set of paths afterwards |
| 10:10.23 | larsl | streuner: It doesn't work with that kernel either. |
| 10:10.36 | babilen | i need this especially for chinese fonts |
| 10:10.40 | larsl | streuner: And neither does my wireless or graphics (that's why I changed to 2.6.22) |
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| 10:11.03 | babilen | any idea why there is no Files section in my xorg.conf ??? |
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| 10:11.38 | Jonah | hi does anyone here know how to get links in evolution to open in a web browser other than epiphany when you're not using gnome desktop? |
| 10:12.04 | DeFender1031 | hello? can someone answer me please? |
| 10:12.05 | shaheed | hi |
| 10:12.06 | larsl | streuner: This is embarrasing - I'm meeting my family this weekend, and if I can't even get the DVD drive to work they're going to taunt me for using Linux. =P |
| 10:12.50 | larsl | Any idea how I could at least see what type of DVD drive it is? |
| 10:13.18 | shaheed | no |
| 10:13.22 | Wulf_ | larsl: how is it connected? ide? sata? scsi? usb? floppy? firewire? |
| 10:13.42 | larsl | Wulf_: It's internal, so I'm assuming it's not USB or Firewire. |
| 10:13.58 | larsl | Wulf_: The hd is sata, so it would make sense if the DVD was that as well. |
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| 10:14.23 | shaheed | hi every body |
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| 10:14.39 | babilen | how are fonts for xorg configured in debian? |
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| 10:14.52 | Wulf_ | larsl: anything in /proc/ide? |
| 10:14.57 | lithophyte | babilen: automatically? :) |
| 10:15.06 | Wulf_ | hello shaheed!! |
| 10:15.12 | larsl | Wulf_: Just drivers, which is an empty file. |
| 10:15.31 | King_InuYasha | http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mainactor |
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| 10:16.06 | Wulf_ | larsl: check if it's actually connected.. |
| 10:16.21 | larsl | Wulf_: I can boot the installer DVD from it. |
| 10:16.32 | Wulf_ | whoops :) |
| 10:16.33 | babilen | lithophyte: ok, i need a bit more info on that. i used to change the order of fontpaths in my xorg.conf file and included my xfstt font server in there. but right now there is not even a file section in there |
| 10:16.39 | Wulf_ | larsl: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 10:16.58 | larsl | Wulf_: Does not exist. |
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| 10:17.09 | nasas | hi people |
| 10:17.25 | larsl | Wulf_: The weird thing is that when I'm in the installer shell it shows a /dev/hdb device file, which does not exist when I boot the installed kernel. |
| 10:17.30 | babilen | lithophyte: and as i read in the xserver-xorg packages changelog the files section is not longer written out by default as xorg includes a patch to search "common" paths automatically |
| 10:17.45 | Wulf_ | larsl: maybe this kernel is missing some drivers? |
| 10:17.51 | larsl | Wulf_: I've tried the Debian packaged 2.6.18 and a custom built 2.6.22. |
| 10:17.51 | nasas | i have one problem with apt |
| 10:17.51 | Wulf_ | e.g. idecdrom? |
| 10:17.54 | nasas | this is a problem http://rafb.net/p/9Vfv9F39.html |
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| 10:18.18 | larsl | Wulf_: 'module idecdrom not found' |
| 10:18.25 | Wulf_ | larsl: modprobe ide_cd cdrom |
| 10:19.13 | larsl | Wulf_: 'ide_cd: Unknown parameter 'cdrom'' |
| 10:19.14 | Wulf_ | nasas: set language to english.. |
| 10:19.46 | erik2066 | how can I get Evolution to "work online" by default (on start-up) ? there is a commandline option --online, but that does not seem to start up Evolution in online mode, for when I click "file" in the main menu, there still i is the option to get Evolution in online mode... |
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| 10:21.10 | triplc | Hi all |
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| 10:21.55 | shaheed | hi triplc |
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| 10:22.01 | triplc | (newbie question) Where is the mailbox file of sendmail? I used to use another distro where all user mail boxes are in /var/spool/mail directory. But I cannot find it in Debian |
| 10:22.07 | triplc | Please help |
| 10:22.21 | Wulf_ | triplc: /var/mail oder /var/spool/mail/ |
| 10:22.59 | triplc | Wulf_: /var/mail: empty directory |
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| 10:24.28 | glontu | hello |
| 10:24.48 | glontu | i have just installed debian with the netinst cd ( latest version ) |
| 10:24.57 | solitude| | well done |
| 10:25.14 | glontu | and when i try to install something with apt-get i keep getting a message that requires me to insert a CD |
| 10:25.27 | glontu | that is kind of not cool since the machine is ... somewhere else |
| 10:25.49 | glontu | how can i get it to just download and install the packages without requiring the cd ? |
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| 10:27.26 | shaheed | hi all of u |
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| 10:27.56 | vlt | Hello. Where in an initrd is defined the lvm volume to mount as "/"? |
| 10:29.29 | ribasushi | vlt: don't you specify this with the root= kernel parameter? |
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| 10:29.55 | p-a-v | glontu: comment out the line referring to cdrom in the /etc/sources.list |
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| 10:30.17 | cmanns | I was talking about my load saying 1.00 always yesterday |
| 10:30.28 | cmanns | The reason is due to a falty cd-rom drive. How wacky |
| 10:30.28 | RAHSPUTIN | hello. Is there a Command Line tool to open/close ports ? |
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| 10:31.10 | cast | not really such a tool RAHSPUTIN, you might have to expand your understanding of the situation |
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| 10:31.15 | glontu | thanks a lot p-a-v |
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| 10:31.18 | chrismat | how big is a debian minimal installation? |
| 10:31.19 | vlt | ribasushi: Yes, in grub. But somewhere in the boot process the old vg name appears and stops booting. |
| 10:31.37 | cast | chrismat: i think its sub 130megs |
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| 10:31.59 | ribasushi | vlt: explain "the old vg name appears and stops booting" |
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| 10:32.22 | RAHSPUTIN | cast, after what should i look best to learn more |
| 10:32.29 | streuner | larsl: laptop? |
| 10:32.31 | solitude| | chrismat |
| 10:32.33 | solitude| | about 6mb |
| 10:32.33 | ribasushi | you mean you changed your VG naming and something refers to the old one? |
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| 10:32.37 | solitude| | err, 60mb * |
| 10:32.45 | chrismat | 60mb and usuable? |
| 10:32.50 | solitude| | well, fsvo usable |
| 10:32.55 | larsl | streuner: Yes, Centrino based (Santa Rosa). |
| 10:33.07 | solitude| | its a moderately usable command line system |
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| 10:33.12 | larsl | streuner: Zepto Znote 6025WD. |
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| 10:33.20 | cast | RAHSPUTIN: networking it seems, processes can listen on ports - if somethings listening on a port its open, if nothing is then the port is closed. you can also firewall off ports - making open ports look closed |
| 10:33.29 | streuner | larsl: try /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 10:34.00 | larsl | streuner: It has lots of newish stuff that I can't quite get to work - Intel graphics, some new version of Intel HDA sound, webcam etc - but the DVD is downright embarrasing. |
| 10:34.35 | chrismat | good enough :) |
| 10:34.39 | chrismat | thanks solitude |
| 10:34.41 | RAHSPUTIN | cast, nice, thank you ;) |
| 10:34.51 | solitude| | np |
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| 10:35.59 | larsl | streuner: Looking at linux-laptop.org - there are a couple of Zeptos there, but not my model. |
| 10:36.55 | mardi | hi, anyone experienced with installing etch over a home lan? |
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| 10:38.07 | larsl | streuner: And none of them mention any problems with the DVD drive. |
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| 10:41.45 | larsl | streuner, Wulf_: When booting with the installer, cat /proc/ide/ide0/hdb/model says "TSSTCorp CDDVDW SN-S082H". |
| 10:42.02 | Shisui | Nitro tha CiMien |
| 10:42.26 | larsl | Using ide-cdrom 4.61. |
| 10:42.32 | DeFender1031 | can someone please help me? |
| 10:42.50 | DeFender1031 | i've asked my question twice and been here for over an hour |
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| 10:43.17 | PerfDave | !further help |
| 10:43.17 | dpkg | If #debian can't help you with your problem, try asking again in a few hours when different people will be active. Other ports of call include the Debian mailing lists ( http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ ) or your local LUG. Or even professional support - see http://www.debian.org/support |
| 10:43.32 | DeFender1031 | PerfDave, no one even tried to help me |
| 10:43.36 | DeFender1031 | no one noticed |
| 10:44.02 | larsl | Apparently TSSTCorp is Toshiba Samsung Storage Technology Corporation. |
| 10:44.31 | nick_fn | DeFender1031: I guess sometimes that happens. All I could do is google for you, but I presume you tried that :-) |
| 10:44.33 | solitude| | DeFender1031, ask again |
| 10:44.35 | streuner | there shouldnt many problems with a Samsung DVD-Writer |
| 10:44.48 | DeFender1031 | ok |
| 10:44.51 | streuner | if its NOT a SATA one :-) |
| 10:45.17 | DeFender1031 | i just upgraded from etch to lenny and now everything is in like 300 pt font and i can't use my computer. Is there some config fle somewhere i need to change? I use KDE, but it looks like an X issue |
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| 10:45.46 | solitude| | assuming a decent xorg.conf? |
| 10:45.53 | solitude| | (also, lol unstable :/ ) |
| 10:46.03 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, not assuming anything |
| 10:46.16 | solitude| | vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:46.19 | DeFender1031 | it WAS decent before the upgrade IIRC |
| 10:46.25 | solitude| | did you back it up ?:) |
| 10:46.26 | DeFender1031 | what's vm? |
| 10:46.26 | Shisui | Nitro tha CiMien |
| 10:46.32 | larsl | streuner: It's IDE, and it works with the installer kernel (2.6.18-4-amd64), but not with my installed one. |
| 10:46.34 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, no... |
| 10:46.37 | solitude| | uh.... |
| 10:46.44 | solitude| | if you ever get a working xorg.conf, back it up |
| 10:46.46 | solitude| | thrice |
| 10:46.51 | DeFender1031 | why? |
| 10:46.58 | solitude| | writing good xorg.conf is a black magic |
| 10:47.28 | DeFender1031 | umm... shouldn't the built-in reconfigure write it automatically? |
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| 10:48.06 | solitude| | hahahahahahahahahhahHAHAHAHAHAhahaha etc |
| 10:48.17 | solitude| | (yeah right) the answer, as always is "sort of" |
| 10:48.32 | solitude| | the built in automagic will sometimes work, but just as often not do it "right" |
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| 10:48.39 | solitude| | and the odds are far worse in the unstable branch |
| 10:48.42 | Shisui | Nitro tha CiMien |
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| 10:48.47 | solitude| | this is why you back it up when it works |
| 10:48.49 | DeFender1031 | lenny is testng isn't it? |
| 10:49.04 | erik2066 | if I would build my own kernel, with all the unused stuff (modules) stripped, would the boot procedure be faster ? |
| 10:49.06 | solitude| | perhaps |
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| 10:49.20 | solitude| | erik2066, if the modules were previously being loaded, yes |
| 10:50.58 | erik2066 | solitude: they were *unused* previously....so not loaded, I guess... My idea is, that the check to load a module would be eliminated too... |
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| 10:51.23 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, so how do i fix it? |
| 10:51.34 | DeFender1031 | cause it's currently completely unusable |
| 10:51.41 | solitude| | erik2066, to be honest, i dont think you will see any improvement |
| 10:51.43 | Jonah | hey can anyone please help me out, i don't use kde and when i start up amarok or other kde apps i get a dcopserver error message, is there anyway to fix this please? |
| 10:51.52 | solitude| | Jonah, you cant fix it, just ignore it |
| 10:52.09 | solitude| | DeFender1031, rewrite xorg? |
| 10:52.45 | DeFender1031 | what do i change? |
| 10:52.52 | erik2066 | solitude: during boot, I see a lot of text speeding by of stuff that I wonder about: Huh ??? do I have that ?? |
| 10:53.50 | streuner | larsl: Are you sure you are using the *right* kernel? |
| 10:54.02 | PerfDave | erik2066: Almost certainly not :) |
| 10:54.08 | erik2066 | solitude: like tape stuff, and HP printer thingies e.g. |
| 10:54.08 | larsl | streuner: Argh! The installed kernel is _the exact same version_ (2.6.18-4-amd64) as the one in the installer, and it still doesn't work! |
| 10:54.22 | solitude| | erik2066. try and see i guess |
| 10:54.29 | solitude| | and keep a backup for the old kernel in grub.conf |
| 10:54.35 | solitude| | then you can always revert back if it fails :) |
| 10:54.42 | streuner | larsl: how about to use a live-CD? |
| 10:54.45 | erik2066 | solitude: ok. thnx so far |
| 10:54.52 | Jonah | solitude|, really? there's no way to fix this? here's my output: http://pastebin.ca/674559 |
| 10:55.02 | streuner | larsl: to check if the hardware is supported or not (/msg dpkg grml) |
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| 10:55.43 | Jonah | is there anyone in here that know how to stop the dcopserver errors on amarok startup?? |
| 10:55.46 | Jonah | http://pastebin.ca/674559 |
| 10:55.49 | larsl | streuner: But it _is_ supported in the installer kernel. I see the /dev/hdb device when I boot with it. |
| 10:56.13 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, what do i change? |
| 10:56.25 | solitude| | Jonah, right |
| 10:56.28 | solitude| | because dcopserver isnt running |
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| 10:56.48 | solitude| | read this: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DCOPserver |
| 10:56.57 | solitude| | DeFender1031, no idea, its your config, not mine. ;) |
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| 10:57.22 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, assuming it was written by the automagic... |
| 10:57.32 | DeFender1031 | i haven't done anything to t |
| 10:57.41 | solitude| | no idea |
| 10:57.51 | DeFender1031 | argh |
| 10:57.56 | solitude| | no idea what system you have, or what the automagic crap does : |
| 10:58.16 | Jonah | solitude|, but i never had kde on ubuntu and amarok didnt complain and it doesnt complain for other non kde users... |
| 10:58.49 | solitude| | jonas21, then install dcopserver |
| 10:58.53 | solitude| | err, Jonah* |
| 10:59.00 | solitude| | aptitude search dcopserver |
| 10:59.02 | solitude| | see what happens |
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| 10:59.35 | pApArOaCh | hello! |
| 10:59.37 | pApArOaCh | hola! |
| 10:59.45 | pApArOaCh | alguien por allí? |
| 10:59.51 | PerfDave | !pl |
| 10:59.51 | dpkg | from memory, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 10:59.55 | PerfDave | Gah |
| 10:59.58 | PerfDave | !pt |
| 10:59.59 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:00.00 | solitude| | haha |
| 11:00.15 | liable | larsl: is ide-genric/ide-disk loaded ? |
| 11:00.16 | DeFender1031 | solar_sea, what exactly IS the right way? |
| 11:00.18 | DeFender1031 | er |
| 11:00.21 | liable | generic* |
| 11:00.22 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, * |
| 11:00.36 | solitude| | write it all yourself :) |
| 11:00.37 | pApArOaCh | anyone can tell me how to open a port on Debian? |
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| 11:00.58 | larsl | liable: No, only ide_core. |
| 11:01.05 | cast | padd173: make something listen on it. |
| 11:01.07 | liable | pApArOaCh: install a service |
| 11:01.20 | pApArOaCh | liable! |
| 11:01.21 | Jonah | solitude|, there is no dcopserver in the repos |
| 11:01.21 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, i don't know how to write it |
| 11:01.23 | cast | padd173: nc -l -p 1234 will do what you ask... |
| 11:01.24 | pApArOaCh | I need the command! |
| 11:01.26 | padd173 | is it considered safe to upgrade a dedicated web/mail server from oldstable to stable? Will I most likely not encounter any problems at all? |
| 11:01.36 | cast | sorry padd173 :< |
| 11:01.43 | liable | pApArOaCh: for what? |
| 11:01.50 | pApArOaCh | for opennin' a port! |
| 11:01.55 | liable | pApArOaCh: debian doesnt have a firewall |
| 11:01.55 | pApArOaCh | like on CentOS! |
| 11:01.59 | liable | by default |
| 11:02.08 | pApArOaCh | I open ports on the config.apf |
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| 11:02.19 | solitude| | DeFender1031, learn. |
| 11:02.21 | pApArOaCh | that's on /etc/apf/ |
| 11:02.38 | larsl | liable: When I load ide-generic it says "Probing IDE interface ide0... Probing IDE interface ide1..." but nothing else happens. Still no device file. |
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| 11:03.02 | liable | larsl: nothing in dmesg? |
| 11:03.04 | niru | The file /media/disk//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 11:03.06 | larsl | liable: And nothing in dmesg. |
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| 11:03.08 | larsl | =( |
| 11:03.10 | niru | liable, The file /media/disk//boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 11:03.15 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, that's not very reassuring... especally since i'm on my piece of crap computer until such time as i fix my other one |
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| 11:03.23 | niru | I mounted the usb in /media/disk |
| 11:03.26 | pApArOaCh | so thr's no way for me to open ports on Debian? |
| 11:03.32 | niru | and when doing grub-install I got that |
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| 11:03.43 | padd173 | oldstable -> stable : is that a hassle-free upgrade? |
| 11:03.45 | kolla | is there some apt command clears /var/cache/apt/archives for obsolete files? |
| 11:03.49 | solitude| | DeFender1031 why? |
| 11:03.52 | kolla | command _that_ .. |
| 11:03.57 | padd173 | or will I regret doing it? |
| 11:03.58 | cast | pApArOaCh: not without understanding what you're doing |
| 11:04.04 | streuner | larsl: the point is rather, Do you the right kernel... |
| 11:04.10 | liable | niru: try using grub interactively |
| 11:04.10 | streuner | liable: ^^^ |
| 11:04.14 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, i told you, it's unusable with the font as it is |
| 11:04.22 | solitude| | use the fscking command line |
| 11:04.24 | solitude| | :| |
| 11:04.24 | streuner | larsl: use* |
| 11:04.27 | niru | liable, I want to put grub in usb |
| 11:04.29 | pApArOaCh | I wanna open the port 443! |
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| 11:04.38 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: nc -l -p 443 |
| 11:04.41 | pApArOaCh | how can I open it? |
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| 11:04.46 | pApArOaCh | okay! |
| 11:04.48 | liable | streuner: i have seen this a few times where the cd boots from the installer, but doesnt work after, and have never found the right answer |
| 11:04.51 | pApArOaCh | let's c! |
| 11:04.52 | niru | but due to this message I dont get a usb boot,li |
| 11:04.56 | larsl | streuner: Which one is "right"? |
| 11:04.56 | DeFender1031 | solitude|, there are many things i do where the command line is insufficient |
| 11:05.04 | niru | but due to this message I dont get a usb boot,liable |
| 11:05.08 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: if you want something useful, try: nc -l -p 443 -e /bin/sh |
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| 11:05.10 | DeFender1031 | try editing and reading a wiki via command line... |
| 11:05.11 | streuner | !686 |
| 11:05.14 | wols | DeFender1031: lies. all lies :) |
| 11:05.17 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 11:05.37 | larsl | streuner: Right now I'm using the one that was installed by the installer DVD (exactly the same version as the one on the installer), 2.6.18-4-amd64. |
| 11:05.44 | cast | DeFender1031: well, w3m will call your editor...which if that happens to be vim, makes the editing a whole lot nicer than using firefox :D |
| 11:05.54 | larsl | ... |
| 11:05.58 | liable | larsl: try ide-cd |
| 11:06.03 | larsl | liable: Tried. |
| 11:06.06 | solitude| | use w3m... |
| 11:06.08 | BUMBACL0T | streuner, what if you have c2d ? |
| 11:06.10 | DeFender1031 | cast, huh? |
| 11:06.23 | wols | BUMBACL0T: still 686 |
| 11:06.29 | larsl | streuner: Don't the amd64 kernels work on em64t (Core 2 Duo)? |
| 11:06.37 | wols | they do |
| 11:06.39 | liable | larsl: its a weird thing this problem you have, i have never found the reason it happens |
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| 11:06.43 | solitude| | right cast :) |
| 11:06.45 | solitude| | good clal |
| 11:06.45 | wols | amd64 is the platform in this case. not cpu |
| 11:06.57 | streuner | larsl: no idea, but why DID you choose AMD64 first? |
| 11:07.07 | larsl | streuner: ? |
| 11:07.09 | DeFender1031 | grr... that's not the point! the point is i want to be able to use my computer! |
| 11:07.10 | larsl | streuner: Because that' |
| 11:07.16 | larsl | streuner: Because that's the hardware platform... ? |
| 11:07.46 | pApArOaCh | nothing happens guys! |
| 11:07.56 | larsl | liable: Me neither. =( |
| 11:07.58 | pApArOaCh | I wanna run the port 443 on my dedicated server! :( |
| 11:08.00 | cast | linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4 -> Depends: linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 11:08.02 | liable | pApArOaCh: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 11:08.08 | pApArOaCh | *open |
| 11:08.12 | cast | same kernel. no danger either way |
| 11:08.15 | pApArOaCh | just to open that port! |
| 11:08.19 | liable | pApArOaCh: so tell apache to run on that port |
| 11:08.19 | pApArOaCh | I don't use apache server! |
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| 11:08.27 | liable | whatever httpd then |
| 11:08.30 | pApArOaCh | I need it for listenin' on IRC! |
| 11:08.54 | liable | so tell your ircd to run on that port.. |
| 11:08.57 | pApArOaCh | no, that's why the support didn't install apache server! |
| 11:09.01 | cast | pApArOaCh: are you sure you should be running a server :\ |
| 11:09.03 | liable | !closed ports |
| 11:09.06 | pApArOaCh | I already did that! |
| 11:09.20 | pApArOaCh | but nothing happens! |
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| 11:09.29 | pApArOaCh | it's apparently closed! :S |
| 11:09.29 | cast | you did restart the ircd right? |
| 11:09.38 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 11:09.38 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 11:09.44 | pApArOaCh | I just ran it! |
| 11:10.15 | pApArOaCh | u can connect thru any other port listed in thr, except that one! :( |
| 11:10.22 | streuner | !u |
| 11:10.22 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:10.25 | liable | streuner: thats the one i wanted ;) |
| 11:10.38 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: !!!!!!!!!!oneoneeleven |
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| 11:10.59 | Klaps | hi i want to rent a root server which one you can recomment which linux distribution? i want to connet with vnc and see a dekstop like kde "ubuntu, centOS, fedora, openSUSE, gentoo, debian 3, debian 4 ?" |
| 11:11.07 | streuner | Wulf_: moin :-) |
| 11:11.19 | Wulf_ | hi streuner :) |
| 11:11.43 | pApArOaCh | what u mean with it Wulf_? |
| 11:11.45 | Wulf_ | Klaps: as this is a debian channel, we of course recommend debian |
| 11:11.59 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: you should not put a "!" after each message |
| 11:11.59 | Klaps | ok i c |
| 11:12.10 | pApArOaCh | sorry |
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| 11:12.20 | solitude| | hmm |
| 11:12.21 | solitude| | for a server? |
| 11:12.28 | solitude| | opensuse, fedora or debian |
| 11:12.42 | Klaps | yes i want a desktop like kde |
| 11:12.52 | Wulf_ | apt-get install kde |
| 11:13.21 | pApArOaCh | so, thr is nothing to do? :S |
| 11:13.30 | Klaps | the system has Intel Celeron 2.00, 256mb |
| 11:13.30 | liable | 'fraid not |
| 11:13.34 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: we still did not understand what you mean by "open a port" |
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| 11:13.47 | Klaps | is it enough for debian and kde |
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| 11:13.53 | pApArOaCh | the port 443 it's not open on the dedicated server! |
| 11:14.05 | cast | Klaps: is it a server or some kind of desktop? |
| 11:14.08 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: What are you trying to do? |
| 11:14.09 | IgorSobreira | hi all...how can i add a location to the variable $PATH? |
| 11:14.11 | liable | pApArOaCh: dude, start a damn service on it |
| 11:14.15 | Klaps | its a rootserver |
| 11:14.16 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -F |
| 11:14.17 | pApArOaCh | u know, like on CentOS, u open the ports u need on /etc/apf/config.apf |
| 11:14.34 | Wulf_ | apf? advanced packet filter? |
| 11:14.39 | Klaps | i will get ssh login and want to install kde and vnc |
| 11:14.40 | indraveni | is there any other method of creating contents file other than using apt-ftparchive? |
| 11:14.42 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: I don't know anything about CentOS |
| 11:14.55 | pApArOaCh | well, that way u can open the goddamn ports! |
| 11:15.04 | pApArOaCh | but on Debian it's really different! |
| 11:15.12 | pApArOaCh | thr's no apf configuration on it! :S |
| 11:15.15 | cast | Klaps: then fuck kide and vnc and go buy a book on the subject of how to use debian or any other general ref regarding gnu/linux :) |
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| 11:15.40 | pApArOaCh | I'm runnin' an IRC server and on the configuration I listed that port! |
| 11:15.47 | Klaps | i c but sometimes i need to use konquerer |
| 11:15.56 | mbroeker | pApArOaCh, debian doesn't use a firewall by default |
| 11:16.01 | liable | pApArOaCh: so see if its actually listening with netstat |
| 11:16.01 | pApArOaCh | so it's not listenin' when I'm tryin' to connect to the IRC server usin' that port! |
| 11:16.07 | cast | Klaps: to do what? |
| 11:16.15 | pApArOaCh | all the ports r listenin', except that one! |
| 11:16.29 | et- | pApArOaCh: "'" is just as many keystrokes as "g" |
| 11:16.36 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: maybe you ask your adminstrator for some help with this? |
| 11:16.39 | liable | pApArOaCh: you can use a period at the end of sentences you know |
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| 11:16.58 | pApArOaCh | unknown:~# netstat -atp |
| 11:16.58 | pApArOaCh | Active Internet connections (servers and established) |
| 11:16.58 | pApArOaCh | Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State |
| 11:16.58 | pApArOaCh | PID/Program name |
| 11:16.58 | pApArOaCh | tcp 0 0 unknown.sagonet.ne:7777 *:* LISTEN 2 |
| 11:16.58 | *** kick/#debian [pApArOaCh!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 11:17.05 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: You're running an IRC server on port 443? Is the server running? Is it listening on the port? |
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| 11:17.23 | pApArOaCh | 1660/ircd |
| 11:17.25 | pApArOaCh | tcp 0 0 unknown.sagonet.ne:6663 *:* LISTEN 2 |
| 11:17.27 | pApArOaCh | 1660/ircd |
| 11:17.29 | pApArOaCh | tcp 0 0 unknown.sagonet.ne:6664 *:* LISTEN 2 |
| 11:17.31 | pApArOaCh | 1660/ircd |
| 11:17.35 | pApArOaCh | tcp 0 0 unknown.sagonet.ne:6665 *:* LISTEN 2 |
| 11:17.35 | pApArOaCh | 1660/ircd |
| 11:17.35 | dimir | \o/ |
| 11:17.37 | pApArOaCh | tcp 0 0 unknown.sagonet.ne:6666 *:* LISTEN 2 |
| 11:17.38 | dimir | More spam! |
| 11:17.39 | pApArOaCh | 1660/ircd |
| 11:17.42 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: Stop flooding the channel! |
| 11:17.42 | liable | you idiot |
| 11:17.44 | dimir | Keep it coming! |
| 11:17.53 | Phil|ZZZzzz | someone needs to learn how to use a pastebin |
| 11:17.53 | Phil|ZZZzzz | heh |
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| 11:18.25 | pApArOaCh | well, I was tryin' to show u guys that the port 443 it's not even listed thr! |
| 11:18.34 | streuner | pApArOaCh: did you ever read what chanserv told you or read the /topic? |
| 11:18.45 | PerfDave | Klaps: What problem are you having with running KDE in a VNCserver then? |
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| 11:18.48 | pApArOaCh | how could that be possible that no one knows anything 'bout it? :S |
| 11:18.59 | liable | can you get it to run on a priveledged port? |
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| 11:19.06 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: You haven't configured your ircd to run on port 443. |
| 11:19.13 | pApArOaCh | I need that port for IRC! |
| 11:19.14 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: is your ircd running with root privileges? |
| 11:19.24 | pApArOaCh | that's for ppl from Cuba! |
| 11:19.30 | liable | that sounds like a good idea! |
| 11:19.48 | pApArOaCh | ppl from Cuba don't have access to internet! |
| 11:19.59 | pApArOaCh | they can get to internet only thru that port! |
| 11:20.03 | pApArOaCh | the 443! |
| 11:20.08 | liable | pApArOaCh: check the ircd's log, its probably mentioned about the port |
| 11:20.30 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: Please stop with the exclamation marks and the spamming. Your ircd has not been configured to listen on port 443, so you need to fix that. |
| 11:20.37 | mbroeker | pApArOaCh, the standard SSL Port for IRC is 994 tcp |
| 11:20.38 | pApArOaCh | so I'm pretendin' to get cuban users on it, but they can only get connected to my IRC server if the port 443 it's accessible! |
| 11:20.49 | pApArOaCh | <PerfDave> pApArOaCh: You haven't configured your ircd to run on port 443. |
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| 11:20.57 | pApArOaCh | I did it! |
| 11:21.00 | litb | hello all |
| 11:21.05 | pApArOaCh | I'm an expert on it! |
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| 11:21.06 | litb | i need a more recent gdb |
| 11:21.12 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: You didn't do it correctly, because netstat is not showing it listening on that port. |
| 11:21.14 | pApArOaCh | that's a dedicated server problem! |
| 11:21.15 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: you're no expert, you're just stupid. |
| 11:21.21 | litb | where can i find one (here it is still 6.4.90) |
| 11:21.36 | litb | because i want to debug a 64bit program , and gdb does refuse to work with it |
| 11:21.38 | pApArOaCh | <Wulf_> pApArOaCh: is your ircd running with root privileges? |
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| 11:21.47 | pApArOaCh | do u think that it could be the problem? |
| 11:21.48 | mbroeker | litb, whats the benefit of a "newer" gdb ? |
| 11:22.01 | pApArOaCh | <liable> pApArOaCh: check the ircd's log, its probably mentioned about the port |
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| 11:22.12 | pApArOaCh | that's the problem, it doesn't mention anything! :( |
| 11:22.15 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: of course this might be the problem. but running ircd as root is not good idea. so you better use iptables to redirect this port to another one |
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| 11:22.34 | glontu | can you search the folder structure for something like folder1/folder2 ? with debian ... meaning that i want folder2 to be inside folder1 |
| 11:22.35 | abrotman | how does that alleviate the problem of running it as root ? |
| 11:22.38 | litb | mbroeker: the more recent gdb supports .gnu.hash sections in ELF binaries |
| 11:22.45 | litb | (the 6.5) |
| 11:22.46 | pApArOaCh | <mbroeker> pApArOaCh, the standard SSL Port for IRC is 994 tcp |
| 11:22.50 | PerfDave | glontu: Yes, with find |
| 11:22.55 | pApArOaCh | sometimes someone told me about SSL thingy! |
| 11:22.56 | abrotman | glontu: locate folder1 | grep folder2 ? |
| 11:23.05 | glontu | thanks |
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| 11:23.18 | mbroeker | pApArOaCh, look in /etc/services |
| 11:23.23 | pApArOaCh | <Wulf_> pApArOaCh: you're no expert, you're just stupid. |
| 11:23.26 | pApArOaCh | I don't think so! |
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| 11:23.34 | mbroeker | there are all the well-known ports listed, pApArOaCh |
| 11:23.34 | abrotman | pApArOaCh: STOP PASTING SHIT THAT PEOPLE SAID |
| 11:23.36 | pApArOaCh | I've been on IRC for more than 12 years! |
| 11:23.47 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: so you started right after birth? cool |
| 11:23.48 | abrotman | we don't need a replay |
| 11:23.51 | pApArOaCh | I have setup hundreds of IRC servers and networks! |
| 11:24.11 | liable | god help your users |
| 11:24.11 | logdenum | hi, when scanning documents they came with noisy shadows and i know i my scanner driver's capable of reducing this effect if i tell it is plain doment type, well this on windows but how on linux? |
| 11:24.28 | streuner | liable: haha |
| 11:24.53 | cast | logdenum: i'd ask the xsane community |
| 11:24.53 | litb | oh, it is 6.6 even |
| 11:25.30 | logdenum | <cast>and where? |
| 11:25.51 | pApArOaCh | god help my users? :S |
| 11:25.57 | pApArOaCh | heheh! |
| 11:26.35 | pApArOaCh | it was placed between the 15 biggest IRC networks from all over the world! |
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| 11:26.40 | pApArOaCh | god bless that |
| 11:26.43 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: Please help us to help you - it's painful to read your conversation because you keep copy-and-pasting other people's lines and end every statement with an exclamation mark. If you didn't do this, people would be more inclined to give you help. |
| 11:26.44 | dbro | hi |
| 11:27.03 | abrotman | pApArOaCh: what does this have to do with debian again ? |
| 11:27.19 | Wulf_ | pApArOaCh: you could start by /nick somethingreadable |
| 11:27.20 | dbro | macbook-linux users in here? |
| 11:27.25 | pApArOaCh | if I got here, it was for help |
| 11:27.27 | SlayerXP | do I sense a lart being required? |
| 11:27.42 | streuner | SlayerXP: no... |
| 11:27.43 | pApArOaCh | I'm not familiarized w/ Debian, that's it |
| 11:27.47 | cast | logdenum: i'm not sure. i'd start googling. |
| 11:27.54 | pApArOaCh | I've been usin' all OS, except that one |
| 11:28.10 | epsilon | pApArOaCh: can't you just get a decent penis enlargement, instead flaming here how big you IRC net is? |
| 11:28.23 | pApArOaCh | it's supposed that this is a channel whr ppl gather to help w/ some problems the users have |
| 11:28.24 | abrotman | pApArOaCh: what does your ircd have to do with debian ? |
| 11:28.38 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: You can't run any server on a port <1024 without root privileges. You need to either consult the documentation for your IRC server, or use iptables to redirect connections to port 443 to the ircd's actual port. |
| 11:29.32 | dimir | So, in general, the problem is ... PEBKAC! |
| 11:29.52 | streuner | the general problem is, he dont pay attention what people saying |
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| 11:29.59 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:30.04 | rox | pApArOaCh: indeed, this is a community support channel |
| 11:30.10 | rox | DexterF: hello |
| 11:30.16 | dimir | And annoying case letters in nick. |
| 11:30.20 | pApArOaCh | anyways, is thr a way I can give my user root privileges? |
| 11:30.21 | dimir | !nickometer pApArOaCh |
| 11:30.23 | dpkg | 'pApArOaCh' is 69.000% lame, dimir |
| 11:30.26 | dimir | \o/ |
| 11:30.27 | L0cKn | jhnjkgsfd |
| 11:30.35 | L0cKn | !nickometer L0cKn |
| 11:30.36 | dpkg | 'L0cKn' is 22.000% lame, l0ckn |
| 11:30.38 | L0cKn | :/ |
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| 11:30.45 | epsilon | pApArOaCh: ask in #pApArOaCh |
| 11:30.46 | rox | pApArOaCh: install sudo and put him in sudoers file |
| 11:30.46 | SlayerXP | PLAY WITH THE BOTS OFF CHANNEL. |
| 11:30.46 | PerfDave | pApArOaCh: Consult the documentation for your ircd, or use iptables to redirect connections to 443 to a higher-numbered port. |
| 11:30.59 | DexterF | I'd like to have SMplayer on Etch, it's qt4, can't find etch debs, won't compile. anyone know where to get it? |
| 11:31.17 | pApArOaCh | haha, how funny is that epsilon |
| 11:31.22 | streuner | PerfDave: he doesnt listening to you or somebody else... |
| 11:31.31 | L0cKn | !say iptables > epsilon |
| 11:31.31 | dpkg | iptables > epsilon |
| 11:31.33 | L0cKn | lol |
| 11:31.34 | L0cKn | :°°D |
| 11:31.40 | abrotman | L0cKn: stop please |
| 11:31.49 | pApArOaCh | thanks PerfDave |
| 11:31.50 | L0cKn | abrotman: :/ |
| 11:32.01 | L0cKn | e-m |
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| 11:32.13 | pApArOaCh | I'd better ask the company support techs |
| 11:32.21 | abrotman | good plan .. |
| 11:32.23 | streuner | PerfDave: Wulf_ told him that about 1/2 hour ago... |
| 11:32.26 | pApArOaCh | I tried to, but they r not available at this moment |
| 11:32.45 | abrotman | so wait .. they'll come back |
| 11:32.49 | SlayerXP | L0cKn: you can either leave, or take it off channel. I don't mind which. please choose. |
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| 11:33.29 | DexterF | is there a systray applet or such that notifies me of updates when available? |
| 11:33.44 | PerfDave | DexterF: adept has one. |
| 11:33.45 | abrotman | update-manager |
| 11:34.05 | DexterF | PerfDave: adept in backports yet? |
| 11:34.20 | DexterF | (not at the machine right now) |
| 11:34.24 | abrotman | DexterF: are you using etch ? |
| 11:34.26 | PerfDave | DexterF: Uhm, it's in Etch. |
| 11:34.27 | DexterF | yes |
| 11:34.32 | abrotman | !info update-manager etch |
| 11:34.36 | dpkg | update-manager: (GNOME application that manages software updates), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.42.2ubuntu22-11 (etch), Packaged size: 553 kB, Installed size: 2388 kB |
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| 11:34.39 | dobby | hy, why when i do a mkinitrd i get the error No '/' mountpoint specified in /etc/fstab.. My fstab entry for '/' is Label=usbroot / ???? |
| 11:34.52 | abrotman | DexterF: and if you're using kde .. PerfDave says adept does that |
| 11:35.20 | DexterF | kde, yes. last time I checked, Adept was in testing, that was only a couple of days ago. well, what's new. |
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| 11:35.50 | Hammar | can anyone recommend an offline browser? |
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| 11:36.10 | larsl | Back. |
| 11:36.20 | larsl | Any miraculous new insights into my DVD problem? |
| 11:36.42 | abrotman | Hammar: any |
| 11:37.02 | SlayerXP | larsl: the DVD problem involving the raw squid, 2 sticks of celery and a welding torch? |
| 11:37.05 | rox | Hammar: do you mean an app that would download things when you are online and save them for when you are offline? |
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| 11:37.31 | larsl | SlayerXP: No, but I'd be interested in hearing about that too. |
| 11:37.55 | larsl | SlayerXP: My DVD writer gets detected fine by the installer kernel, but not by the installed kernel (which is the exact same version). |
| 11:38.15 | SlayerXP | larsl: sounds like you're missing a module loading on boot |
| 11:38.53 | streuner | (the kernel doesnt see the DVD device at all..) |
| 11:38.58 | PerfDave | DexterF: Adept has been in Etch since (before) it released, new packages don't go into stable releases :) |
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| 11:39.12 | larsl | SlayerXP: I've tried loading ide-cd, ide-generic etc. They probe the IDE buses but find nothing. |
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| 11:39.34 | SlayerXP | larsl: I would guess then "modprobe sr_mod" |
| 11:39.48 | larsl | By the way, if anyone is involved in the bug tracking system, the SMTP server at bugs.debian.org does not respond. |
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| 11:40.24 | Hammar | abrotman: stating the obvious, that does not help me very much. but: not being a native englisch speaker, i might have phrased my question to clumsily. my apologies. |
| 11:40.30 | Hammar | rox: excactly |
| 11:40.37 | larsl | SlayerXP: That does nothing either. |
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| 11:41.01 | SlayerXP | larsl: so "lsmod" show the module loaded, but in use zero times? |
| 11:41.03 | larsl | It's a Samsung SN-S082H. |
| 11:41.10 | rox | Hammar: in that case i would suggest using curl in combination with any web browser |
| 11:41.33 | larsl | SlayerXP: Yes, both sr_mod and ide_cd. |
| 11:41.37 | rox | Hammar: use curl to download pages, then just browse with anything you like |
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| 11:41.46 | SlayerXP | larsl: that's an SATA drive isn't it? |
| 11:41.54 | rox | Hammar: you could use wget instead of curl |
| 11:41.58 | larsl | SlayerXP: The installer kernel uses ide-cd for it, and shows it as an IDE device. |
| 11:42.29 | abrotman | Hammar: you can use wget .. and i think there's a plugin for FF to do that |
| 11:42.39 | SlayerXP | larsl: interesting. is the modules "libata" loaded? |
| 11:42.39 | Hammar | rox, abrotman: thanks |
| 11:42.43 | SlayerXP | module |
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| 11:43.02 | DexterF | PerfDave: ok, must have gotten that wrong somehow. ok... lets see... |
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| 11:43.22 | larsl | SlayerXP: Yes. |
| 11:43.38 | larsl | And used by ata_piix, whatever that is. |
| 11:44.03 | larsl | SlayerXP: My harddisk is SATA and it works fine. |
| 11:44.04 | SlayerXP | larsl: piix is an intel ide/ata chipset |
| 11:44.33 | SlayerXP | larsl: it seems like you're doing all the right things to me. |
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| 11:44.57 | Joe7 | hi |
| 11:44.58 | liable | larsl: out of ineterest, does your /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-cd.rules have anything interesting in it? |
| 11:45.02 | L0cKn | hello joe7 |
| 11:45.07 | L0cKn | :P |
| 11:45.27 | streuner | liable: as long as the kernel doesnt see the device its not important... |
| 11:45.45 | streuner | The Fucking kernel has to see the device FIRST! |
| 11:45.53 | liable | streuner: have you seen his boot log? |
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| 11:46.00 | streuner | liable: no, he told me |
| 11:46.05 | liable | ... |
| 11:46.19 | streuner | liable: but it would be helpful to see ANYTHING first... |
| 11:46.51 | larsl | liable: It does have lines that seems to have been generated for the device, the first comment says " # TSSTCorp_CDDVDW_SN-S082H (pci-0000:00:1f.1-ide-0:1)" which is the drive. |
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| 11:47.30 | larsl | And the rest of the file are rules that create symlinks (cdrom, cdrw, dvd, dvdrw). |
| 11:48.32 | larsl | liable: Is that file generated by the installer? Or does this mean that in installed kernel has seen the device at some point? |
| 11:48.56 | larsl | an installed kernel |
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| 11:49.36 | liable | larsl: its generated by udev, you can remove it, i dont know if the installer would have created it or the first boot of your kernel |
| 11:49.52 | larsl | Doesn't make much sense to remove it... |
| 11:50.03 | liable | it gets generated when udev starts |
| 11:50.10 | liable | or module load |
| 11:50.10 | larsl | Oh. |
| 11:50.47 | larsl | Apparently it was created yesterday at 00:00. |
| 11:51.15 | larsl | And I have booted lots of times since then |
| 11:51.32 | liable | yeah, it only gets generated when its been deleted |
| 11:51.45 | liable | try moving it and go for a reboot |
| 11:51.51 | larsl | Ah. Then I'll delete it and reboot. |
| 11:51.57 | larsl | Great minds think alike. =) |
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| 11:52.06 | liable | prolly wont help, but udev is one of those voodoo things |
| 11:53.15 | streuner | larsl: #ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd ; KERNEL=="hdc", SYMLINK+="dvd" |
| 11:53.32 | streuner | thats what iam told him about 2 hours ago |
| 11:53.51 | liable | didnt i see him mention hdb? |
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| 11:53.52 | larsl | streuner: There is no /dev/hdc. |
| 11:54.00 | larsl | There are no IDE devices at all. |
| 11:54.03 | streuner | argh |
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| 11:54.28 | liable | larsl: its a sata drive? |
| 11:54.31 | streuner | larsl: paste the whole /var/log/dmesg stuff into paster bot |
| 11:54.42 | larsl | liable: The installer detects it as a IDE drive. |
| 11:54.47 | streuner | !paste |
| 11:54.47 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 11:55.05 | Klaps | do you think 256mb RAM is enough for debian +kde + vnc |
| 11:55.10 | liable | larsl: whats the ide controller? |
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| 11:55.36 | rox | Klaps: depends on what you wish to run |
| 11:55.59 | rox | Klaps: if you will be running openoffice and firefox on top of that, it might be rather slow |
| 11:56.00 | Klaps | just this 3 thinks |
| 11:56.10 | Klaps | ok |
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| 11:56.36 | PerfDave | Klaps: Is this on your remote system over VNC? It should be OK, make sure you disable anti-aliasing in KDE. |
| 11:56.49 | larsl | liable: Checking... |
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| 11:57.14 | Klaps | what is it and how to disable anti-aliasing |
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| 11:57.24 | streuner | *plonk* |
| 11:57.53 | PerfDave | Klaps: It's something which makes KDE sluggish on low-memory systems, you can disable it in the KDE configuration, or in the options when you first run KDE. |
| 11:57.56 | liable | who you plonking and why? |
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| 11:58.19 | wols | when is kde not sluggish with low memory? |
| 11:58.27 | larsl | liable: Uhm, how do I check that? |
| 11:58.27 | wols | the only solution is to not run kde |
| 11:58.34 | liable | larsl: lspci |
| 11:58.45 | Klaps | how much memory it need liks win needs 200mb... |
| 11:58.57 | PerfDave | wols: When you have anti-aliasing disabled. My old desktop was a Pentium II with 256Mb RAM and ran KDE fine once I disabled anti-aliasing. |
| 11:58.59 | larsl | liable, streuner: By the way, google searches also indicate that it's an IDE device. |
| 11:59.21 | larsl | streuner: Working on it, I have to transfer it via my MP3 player. I'm typing from the desktop box. |
| 11:59.22 | liable | larsl: paste your dmesg and lspci to a pastebot |
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| 12:01.52 | abrotman | Klaps: have you tried the #debian.de channel |
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| 12:02.50 | larsl | liable, streuner: dmesg here: http://rafb.net/p/FEFba683.html |
| 12:02.59 | liable | larsl: did you reboot it? |
| 12:03.01 | larsl | And lspci here: http://rafb.net/p/tBIqBS71.html |
| 12:03.13 | larsl | liable: Yes. The rules file was not regenerated. |
| 12:03.15 | PerfDave | Klaps: Out of interest, why do you need to run KDE on your remote system? |
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| 12:03.31 | abrotman | PerfDave: there are many things you don't want to know about this guy :) |
| 12:04.08 | larsl | liable, streuner: The messages in dmesg after line 463 are after the boot, ignore those... |
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| 12:04.43 | abrotman | larsl: for starters .. update-pciids |
| 12:05.07 | abrotman | ATA: abnormal status 0x7F on port 0x18FF |
| 12:05.08 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:05.55 | abrotman | and i didn't think the etch kernel supported ich8 |
| 12:06.05 | larsl | abrotman: This is Lenny. |
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| 12:07.49 | D-fence | Hi all, Iceweasel have unpredictable crashes on three machines running debian unstable since the last packages upgrade (iceweasel was not concerned in the upgrade). the crashes happens very often. Does someone have the very same problem ? |
| 12:07.56 | abrotman | larsl: you're using the etch kenel |
| 12:07.57 | abrotman | kernel |
| 12:08.08 | abrotman | D-fence: bugs.debian.org |
| 12:08.14 | larsl | abrotman: It was the one installed by the Lenny installer from one week ago... |
| 12:08.23 | PerfDave | D-fence: I've seen a few people complaining about it on here. |
| 12:08.42 | streuner | larsl: lenny 2.6.22 supports ich8 |
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| 12:09.32 | abrotman | larsl: uname -a |
| 12:09.42 | larsl | streuner: Is that new? I thought I installed the newest kernel package 2 days ago, and that was 2.6.21 something. |
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| 12:09.55 | alex__ | question: i have a development box running etch, once ive finished developing my stuff, i would like to shift the data over to the datacenter (packages, mysql etc, /etc, /usr - everything) what would be th ebest way about this? |
| 12:09.57 | abrotman | larsl: what's your CPU ? |
| 12:09.58 | streuner | larsl: in sid NOT in etch, sorry |
| 12:10.30 | larsl | abrotman: Linux konishi 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 26 11:36:53 CEST 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:10.33 | indraveni | using apt-ftparchive i am able to create the contents-i386 files, but there is no content in that |
| 12:10.36 | indraveni | the file is blank |
| 12:10.39 | indraveni | why is it so? |
| 12:10.42 | PerfDave | alex__: You may want to look at cfengine to duplicate packages and configuration between machines, there have been some good articles about it on debian-administration.org |
| 12:10.47 | indraveni | am i missing some thing else? |
| 12:10.52 | abrotman | larsl: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 ? |
| 12:10.59 | larsl | abrotman: CPU is Core 2 Duo T7300, 2GHz. |
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| 12:11.16 | streuner | you prolly will get that box to work only with sid anyways... |
| 12:11.21 | alex__ | PerfDave, thanks :) |
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| 12:11.40 | larsl | streuner: Yes, neither audio nor wifi works with 2.6.21 or 2.6.18. |
| 12:11.42 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
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| 12:11.58 | abrotman | larsl: i thought your DVD was broken ? |
| 12:12.04 | larsl | abrotman: Yes? |
| 12:12.16 | abrotman | does .21 make it work ? |
| 12:12.21 | larsl | abrotman: No. |
| 12:12.43 | larsl | I have both 2.6.18 and 2.6.21 installed, tried both, none detects the DVD. |
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| 12:12.54 | abrotman | larsl: did you see the error i posted above ? |
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| 12:13.21 | larsl | abrotman: Yes, I'll try that... just trying to gather some more info before I move the network cable to the laptop again. |
| 12:13.36 | abrotman | larsl: there is also a .22 in sid |
| 12:13.58 | wols | bah. kernel.org + kernel package |
| 12:14.14 | larsl | I'll try that too - I've tried a 2.6.22.5 from kernel.org but that didn't work either. |
| 12:14.21 | abrotman | wols: are you going to help him do that ? |
| 12:15.09 | larsl | I'm going to have to use a patched kernel eventually anyway to run jackd and friends, but I'd like to get the simple things working first. |
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| 12:16.41 | larsl | abrotman: Does update-pciids do anything other than downloading and replacing /usr/share/misc/pci.ids, or can I just download the new list on this computer and transfer it to the laptop? |
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| 12:17.28 | abrotman | never tried |
| 12:17.42 | tarzeau | can xfs(d) run without a local x server? |
| 12:17.45 | streuner | he has no i-net connection... |
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| 12:18.08 | wols | abrotman: well, I thought he talks about sid. if he does: he should know how to do it himself |
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| 12:18.20 | streuner | wols: no... |
| 12:18.27 | larsl | wols: I do know how to compile a kernel. |
| 12:18.33 | larsl | wols: But they still do not work. |
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| 12:18.50 | wols | >.18 |
| 12:19.03 | streuner | maybe backports.org |
| 12:19.19 | streuner | or he just use the .22 kernel in etch |
| 12:19.25 | streuner | out of sid |
| 12:20.51 | wols | larsl: tried kmuto yet? |
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| 12:21.01 | larsl | Rebooting the laptop with the new pci.ids... |
| 12:21.15 | Neaai | Hi all. I have a fresh installation of apache 1.3 bundled with Debian. I migrated a webpage from another server as a VirtualHost and it's the only VirtualHost on the server. Oddly, when I access the server directly using the ip address at the browser, i don't get the placeholder page, but the page of this VirtualHost. Any suggestions how can I undo this behaviour? |
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| 12:21.29 | larsl | wols: What's that? |
| 12:21.33 | streuner | linux-image-2.6.21-2-amd64_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_amd64.deb |
| 12:21.38 | alex__ | www.debian-administration.org down for anyone else? |
| 12:21.41 | streuner | thats the latest one |
| 12:21.43 | wols | larsl: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 12:22.00 | liable | why does it work during install then? |
| 12:22.02 | PerfDave | Neaai: Apache's behaviour is to serve up the virtual host on the host IP if there's only one. |
| 12:22.15 | wols | you could say a special kernel/installer for hard cases with new CPUs/mobos |
| 12:22.38 | Neaai | PerfDave: And if there are 2 or more virtualservers ? |
| 12:22.41 | rox | alex__: seems to be |
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| 12:23.03 | Neaai | PerfDave: that's when the "Main" section of the conf file comes to action? |
| 12:23.11 | wsdo_okadr | do i have any method of seeing what is the traffic IN and OUT of my eth ? |
| 12:23.12 | PerfDave | Neaai: I think it serves the first one listed |
| 12:23.23 | PerfDave | Neaai: You probably want to read the Apache docs here |
| 12:23.32 | DexterF | alex__: seems overrun |
| 12:23.33 | rox | Neaai: are you sure you didn't migrate the file from an apache2 installation? |
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| 12:23.42 | Neaai | PerfDave: I'll try that first, by adding another dummy virtualserver |
| 12:23.44 | wsdo_okadr | I mean how many kilobytes IN and how many OUT ? |
| 12:23.50 | streuner | liable: ask in #debian-boot, they should know |
| 12:24.01 | Neaai | rox: it's apache 1.3. the old server was apache 1.3 too |
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| 12:24.11 | liable | streuner: i have actually asked in the past, they never answer |
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| 12:25.55 | larsl | streuner, liable, abrotman: Rebooted with fresh pci.ids, still nothing detected. |
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| 12:26.16 | larsl | New dmesg http://rafb.net/p/fL9DUl36.html , new lspci http://rafb.net/p/A6vuJl85.html |
| 12:26.17 | liable | but your lspci will give more info |
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| 12:27.16 | liable | larsl: if you dont mind compiling a kernel, get the wireless-dev source, and your wireless cards driver is in it |
| 12:27.42 | liable | larsl: or get a vanilla 22 kernel and compile the intel 4965 driver |
| 12:28.14 | larsl | liable: I did compile a kernel for the wireless, it works with 2.6.22.5 and the iwlwifi module from intellinuxwireless.com |
| 12:28.22 | larsl | liable: No DVD with that kernel either though. |
| 12:28.30 | liable | larsl: ah good then |
| 12:28.38 | streuner | larsl: did you try the 22 sid kernel? |
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| 12:28.52 | larsl | And the sound workt too with the latest snd-hda-intel from ALSA's Mercurial repository. |
| 12:29.02 | larsl | streuner: No, will do that next... |
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| 12:29.10 | larsl | Need to move the network cable for that though. |
| 12:29.17 | streuner | Just upgrade to sid, but dont tell anybody |
| 12:29.27 | abrotman | he could just get the kernel from sid |
| 12:29.32 | streuner | or that |
| 12:29.49 | larsl | streuner: I'm not upgrading my whole system, I've done that before and it was a mess to get back to a working state. =) |
| 12:29.52 | liable | larsl: try the pci=noirq kernel option |
| 12:30.07 | liable | lots of acpi errors too |
| 12:30.10 | larsl | I have the unstable sources set up and pinned, I just need to do apt-get install -t unstable ... |
| 12:30.36 | streuner | dont use pinning |
| 12:30.43 | larsl | streuner: Why not? |
| 12:30.44 | liable | larsl: erm, pci=routeirq |
| 12:30.57 | streuner | just get the kernel from pdo (packages.debian.org) and install by hand |
| 12:31.01 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 12:31.01 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
| 12:31.03 | liable | then try the acpi options |
| 12:31.50 | streuner | larsl: kernel package sometimes just work, but pinning is a very good idea, but in practice it gives most users headaches... |
| 12:32.25 | larsl | streuner: That's alright, I already have one. |
| 12:32.38 | larsl | liable: Rebooting now with pci=routeirq... |
| 12:33.33 | wsdo_okadr | what does RX bytes and TX bytes mean in the output of ifconfig ? |
| 12:33.35 | larsl | liable: Still nothing. |
| 12:33.37 | wsdo_okadr | is RX sent bytes ? |
| 12:33.42 | wsdo_okadr | and TX received bytes ? |
| 12:33.43 | wsdo_okadr | ? |
| 12:33.49 | wols | usually yes |
| 12:33.51 | abrotman | other way around |
| 12:34.00 | abrotman | received and trasmitted |
| 12:34.31 | larsl | liable: What are the acpi options? |
| 12:34.36 | abrotman | transmitted |
| 12:34.37 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: thanks |
| 12:34.56 | kolla | is there a general install log on debian? |
| 12:35.10 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 12:35.14 | wols | kolla: /var/log/dpkg.log* |
| 12:35.28 | abrotman | kolla: when you first install .. or after that ? |
| 12:35.36 | kolla | after |
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| 12:36.25 | kolla | but ok |
| 12:36.38 | liable | larsl: they are in the kernel docs, theres also a man page that gives kernel options, but i cant find it |
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| 12:37.08 | streuner | liable: it seems only 22 supports ich8... |
| 12:37.39 | liable | hrm |
| 12:37.48 | larsl | liable: With acpi=off I get a hdb device! |
| 12:37.48 | kolla | dpkg.log was what I was looking for |
| 12:38.02 | liable | larsl: have you got your controllers in compatability mode in bios? |
| 12:38.10 | kolla | only it has been rotated... how, unclever, oh well |
| 12:38.21 | liable | larsl: \0/ |
| 12:38.46 | larsl | liable: And it mounts! Oh, happy day! |
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| 12:39.12 | liable | larsl: dont get too excited, you'll prolly find your wireless doesnt work with acpi=off |
| 12:39.20 | larsl | Hrm. |
| 12:39.37 | larsl | At least I know it is possible to get the DVD to work now. |
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| 12:39.38 | liable | mine doesnt anyway |
| 12:39.49 | larsl | Thanks a lot to everyone who helped, much appreciated! |
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| 12:40.02 | liable | yw |
| 12:40.09 | cockroach | tarzeau: hey! you're fast :) |
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| 12:40.40 | larsl | I'll fiddle more with the settings and try newer kernels later, right now I need to do some other things. |
| 12:40.46 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: /sbin/ifconfig | grep "RX bytes" | head -1 | perl -pe '/RX bytes\:(\d+) .*TX bytes\:(\d+) .*/;my $recv = $1/1024;my $sent=$2/1024;$recv =~ s/\..*//;$sent =~ s/\..*//;printf "received:%s KB transmitted:%s KB",$recv,$sent;$_="";' |
| 12:41.13 | SiriusFR | Pretty cmd. |
| 12:41.17 | wsdo_okadr | :) |
| 12:41.26 | wsdo_okadr | now i need to make it work |
| 12:41.50 | abrotman | wsdo_okadr: get the cat off the keyboard |
| 12:42.17 | streuner | !liable++ |
| 12:42.23 | phix | I love you perl |
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| 12:42.49 | DexterF | what does it do? |
| 12:43.12 | wols | DexterF: twisting brains |
| 12:43.17 | DexterF | : |
| 12:43.23 | DexterF | :) even |
| 12:43.45 | wols | it reads out transmitted and received bytes on an interfahce I guess |
| 12:43.56 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: lolz : |
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| 12:44.28 | wsdo_okadr | DexterF: it was supposed to get current transmitted bytes and make a delta and get the traffic |
| 12:44.41 | DexterF | ah |
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| 12:45.01 | abrotman | wsdo_okadr: fyi... those tx/rx values get changed to kb or mb or gb IIRC as the values grow |
| 12:45.14 | DexterF | i should do more perl. freaking powerful, alone var handling |
| 12:45.24 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.00 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.01 | et- | DexterF: do yourself a favour and do python or ruby |
| 12:46.05 | epsilon | I don't like perl, syntax is IMHO terrible, ugly, unreadable |
| 12:46.21 | PerfDave | epsilon: That's nothing to do with Perl and everything to do with the person writing it. |
| 12:46.21 | abrotman | someone sends a lot of data ... |
| 12:46.24 | DexterF | but mighty as hell. seen python, didnt like it |
| 12:46.25 | cast__ | and then they loop often on 32bit linux :| |
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| 12:46.30 | kolla | but why bother with ifconfig, there's /proc/net/dev |
| 12:46.30 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: already changed to KB |
| 12:46.34 | DexterF | ruby: too uncommon |
| 12:46.39 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: OOOOH |
| 12:46.42 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: :( |
| 12:46.46 | abrotman | wsdo_okadr: i was just pointing it out that the extensions change |
| 12:46.49 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: are you sure ? |
| 12:46.56 | kolla | and using grep and head? why bother, doesnt perl do that for you?= |
| 12:46.57 | abrotman | wsdo_okadr: that was from two different etch boxes |
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| 12:50.28 | jetscreamer | i read that... no idea what it was about anymore though |
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| 12:50.33 | adv | is there a graphviz binary? |
| 12:50.43 | xand | !search |
| 12:50.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'aptitude install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. see http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 12:50.48 | cast | adv: sure, in the graphviz package |
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| 12:51.02 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: okay i've measured traffic |
| 12:51.05 | adv | cast: what's the full path to it? |
| 12:51.10 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: where can i put this script ? |
| 12:51.14 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: maybe someone needs it |
| 12:51.28 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: it measures in KB IN and OUT traffic |
| 12:51.29 | abrotman | in your blog ? |
| 12:51.46 | rox | adv: last message from dpkg was ment for you |
| 12:52.22 | rox | adv: you don't need to download individual packages, that's what apt-get does for you |
| 12:52.28 | cast | adv: apt-file list graphviz |
| 12:52.36 | adv | no i want to know where it installs itself |
| 12:52.45 | jetscreamer | today is spoonfeed day |
| 12:52.52 | jetscreamer | everybody spoonfeed adv |
| 12:53.02 | rox | adv: dpkg -L graphviz |
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| 12:54.02 | rox | adv: search on pdo if you don't have it installed yet |
| 12:54.06 | rox | !pdo |
| 12:54.06 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 12:55.06 | SiriusFR | !gnome |
| 12:55.06 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 12:55.24 | SiriusFR | Han that's pretty tool. :o |
| 12:55.55 | SiriusFR | !cairo |
| 12:56.44 | abrotman | SiriusFR: msg the bot |
| 12:57.07 | SiriusFR | abrotman: With args ? |
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| 12:57.12 | abrotman | SiriusFR: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 12:58.09 | jmalicki | dh_strip doesn't seem to want to save debug info for *binaries*... am i missing something? |
| 12:58.13 | SiriusFR | abrotman: I see, thanks for advice. |
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| 12:59.04 | azeem | jmalicki: no, you don't |
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| 12:59.30 | azeem | jmalicki: if there's no -dbg package in debian/control, dh_strip will just throw away the debug info AFAIK |
| 12:59.43 | jmalicki | hmm |
| 12:59.50 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: take a look http://stefanpetrea.bloghost.ro/ |
| 12:59.52 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: :) |
| 12:59.53 | jmalicki | azeem: i'll keep looking then, something else is wrong... |
| 13:00.55 | abrotman | wsdo_okadr: way too much work :) |
| 13:01.12 | azeem | jmalicki: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:01.36 | jmalicki | azeem: generate a -dbg package for binaries, so the -dbg package can be installed to run gdb on a program |
| 13:01.45 | jmalicki | azeem: so it can be debugged w/o a separate compilation |
| 13:02.08 | jmalicki | but i'm not seeing debug symbols, so i must be doing something wrong.. |
| 13:02.12 | azeem | jmalicki: did you pass dh_strip the --dbg-package= optino? |
| 13:02.14 | azeem | option* |
| 13:02.14 | jmalicki | yep |
| 13:02.36 | azeem | jmalicki: well, peak into debian/tmp and make sure the compiled binaries aren't stripped already |
| 13:02.43 | azeem | sometimes, upstream Makefiles are over-zealous |
| 13:02.46 | jmalicki | azeem: nope |
| 13:03.00 | jetscreamer | peek/poke |
| 13:03.02 | jmalicki | well |
| 13:03.06 | azeem | jmalicki: what do you mean with "I'm not seeing debug symbols"? |
| 13:03.11 | jmalicki | they aren't if i comment out dh_strip |
| 13:03.14 | azeem | is foo-dbg empty? |
| 13:03.19 | azeem | ok |
| 13:03.21 | jmalicki | azeem: it just has version info |
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| 13:03.33 | azeem | version info? |
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| 13:03.48 | jmalicki | azeem: changelog.Debian.gz and copyright |
| 13:04.23 | abrotman | peek |
| 13:04.35 | jetscreamer | sloe |
| 13:04.36 | vlt | Hello. Is there a way to store files to a smb/cifs share without mounting it permanently? Something like KDE's smb:// ? |
| 13:04.39 | azeem | jmalicki: then maybe add -v to dh_strip |
| 13:04.44 | azeem | that might give more insight |
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| 13:04.46 | vlt | ... from shell. |
| 13:04.48 | masch | Hi! |
| 13:04.59 | abrotman | vlt: smbclient maybe ? |
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| 13:05.02 | jetscreamer | s/with/by/ if you wanna get picky |
| 13:05.05 | PerfDave | vlt: What do you mean by "permanently"? |
| 13:05.07 | jmalicki | azeem: oh, i didn't realize it supported that, it wasn't in the manpage |
| 13:05.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it wasn't for your benefit |
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| 13:05.19 | azeem | jmalicki: it's a common option, see man debhelper I guess |
| 13:05.20 | jetscreamer | abrotman: sloe |
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| 13:05.24 | sander | Anyone can recommend an app to build websites...like dreamweaver for windows? |
| 13:05.28 | PerfDave | sander: vim |
| 13:05.29 | abrotman | bluefish |
| 13:05.30 | jmalicki | dh_strip --dbg-package=ad-account-authz-dbg -v |
| 13:05.30 | jmalicki | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.30 | jmalicki | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.39 | jetscreamer | abrotman: also redundant |
| 13:05.40 | jmalicki | hmmm |
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| 13:05.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not at all .. |
| 13:06.04 | jetscreamer | duplicated and slow |
| 13:06.09 | abrotman | nope .. |
| 13:06.14 | azeem | jmalicki: and ad-account-authz-dbg exists in debian/control? |
| 13:06.20 | abrotman | you can think what you want .. but it's usually wrong :) |
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| 13:06.43 | liable | like a married couple.. ;) |
| 13:06.44 | jmalicki | azeem: yes, and the package gets created |
| 13:06.45 | jetscreamer | ok abrotman you didn't type the same word many seconds after i did |
| 13:06.48 | jetscreamer | you win |
| 13:06.52 | jmalicki | azeem: but there don't seem to be debug files there... |
| 13:07.07 | abrotman | jetscreamer: did i .. nope |
| 13:07.18 | jetscreamer | peek/poke |
| 13:07.47 | azeem | jmalicki: hrm |
| 13:08.10 | tarzeau | cockroach: yes :) |
| 13:08.16 | azeem | jmalicki: try to use debian/tmp as staging area, i.e. point DESTDIR to that in the debian/rules install rule, and then use dh_install to move things over |
| 13:08.36 | jmalicki | azeem: umm, i'm using dh_movefiles not dh_install? |
| 13:08.45 | azeem | jmalicki: then switch |
| 13:08.49 | jmalicki | ok |
| 13:08.54 | azeem | dh_install is the new dh_movefiles |
| 13:08.59 | jmalicki | oh |
| 13:10.00 | cockroach | tarzeau: can't wait to get home and hopefully finally figure out how to set all those weird values in order to actually get some sound :) |
| 13:11.56 | abrotman | jetscreamer: damn you .. made me mess up SQL!~ |
| 13:11.58 | jetscreamer | your sql-fu is weak! (mine is weaker) |
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| 13:13.20 | jmalicki | azeem: so same thing... in debian/tmp, files have symbols, in debian/ad-account-authz, they don't, no debug symbols. |
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| 13:13.49 | jmalicki | (this is on etch btw) |
| 13:14.06 | azeem | jmalicki: and the -dbg package is still empty? |
| 13:14.11 | jmalicki | yes... |
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| 13:14.16 | azeem | except for /usr/share/doc |
| 13:14.23 | azeem | jmalicki: the symbols would be in /usr/lib/debug |
| 13:14.24 | jmalicki | (well yes, what i meant') |
| 13:14.28 | azeem | ok |
| 13:14.29 | jmalicki | no such file.. |
| 13:14.38 | jmalicki | do i need to specify that in -dbg.install or something? |
| 13:14.42 | jmalicki | i dont see that in tmp either |
| 13:15.00 | azeem | no |
| 13:15.00 | jmalicki | azeem: is there an example package that keeps debug symbols for *binaries* that i can look at? |
| 13:15.19 | azeem | I don't see what would make the difference |
| 13:15.28 | jmalicki | i don't either, but it's all i've got... |
| 13:15.37 | wols | jmalicki: no. some packages like libc6 have a -dbg package but that's rare |
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| 13:16.51 | azeem | jmalicki: what does debian/compat say? |
| 13:17.15 | jmalicki | azeem: 4 |
| 13:17.18 | azeem | jmalicki: tyr 5 |
| 13:17.20 | azeem | try* |
| 13:17.21 | jmalicki | ok |
| 13:17.33 | wsdo_okadr | abrotman: ? |
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| 13:18.10 | jmalicki | azeem: hahhaha that worked, thanks! |
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| 13:18.29 | azeem | jmalicki: check for regressions in other parts of the package |
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| 13:19.26 | jmalicki | azeem: oh, i misread the manpage slightly, i thought it said below 4, sorry |
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| 13:26.02 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:26.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd94 is <rich_> One time I asked my grandma why she never smiled and she said that people who find everyrthing funny have a screw loose. <da_> grandma != debian lol |
| 13:26.18 | fireba11 | openssl-0.9.8e won't compile on etch amd64 .. anyone can help with that ? |
| 13:26.39 | wols | a pastebin is a wonderful thing fireba11 |
| 13:26.50 | jetscreamer | your ask-fu is weak |
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| 13:26.55 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 13:26.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:27.18 | fireba11 | wols : true .. http://rafb.net/p/VR8Kma17.html |
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| 13:28.12 | wols | fireba11: I'd try a different gcc version. but just guessing |
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| 13:28.48 | fireba11 | wols : how ? it's the newsest already |
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| 13:29.08 | jetscreamer | what goes up... |
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| 13:31.55 | fireba11 | wols : it's gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) if that helps :-D |
| 13:32.33 | nunu | can someone tell me if there is an option for xterm that changes to a given path ? |
| 13:32.53 | nunu | so that i can start an xterm in /etc/ for example ? |
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| 13:33.06 | nunu | can't find anything useful in the manual |
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| 13:35.54 | tarzeau | cockroach: have you tried schism? |
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| 13:36.08 | triplc | Hi all |
| 13:36.27 | liable | fireba11: try an older version, export CC=foo |
| 13:36.46 | triplc | Do we have majordomo (a mailing list) in Debian repo? |
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| 13:38.42 | Sivik | how do i go about setting up sendmail so it only is able to send from the localhost and from php |
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| 13:39.40 | cockroach | tarzeau: no |
| 13:39.52 | cast | triplc: did you search? |
| 13:39.52 | jetscreamer | !tell triplc -about search |
| 13:39.53 | mbroeker | Sivik, there are strange settings in a m4 file. def bla localhost or something |
| 13:39.55 | triplc | Sivik: I think default config of sendmail is only from localhost |
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| 13:39.56 | PerfDave | Sivik: Why are you using sendmail instead of the exim4 that Debian comes with? |
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| 13:40.13 | triplc | cast: yes, i search using aptitude and cannot find it |
| 13:40.30 | DevideZero | i want to install debian with kde 3.5 what i need to download ? |
| 13:40.33 | cockroach | tarzeau: i'm more a fasttracker kind of person :) |
| 13:40.39 | mbroeker | PerfDave, thats true. sendmail is robust, fast, but a science of its own |
| 13:40.56 | jetscreamer | DevideZero: a netinst then run aptitude install kde when you're done |
| 13:41.04 | jetscreamer | after aptitude update |
| 13:41.07 | PerfDave | triplc: Majordomo is not under a DSFG-compatiable license. |
| 13:41.29 | tarzeau | cockroach: ok |
| 13:41.36 | PerfDave | DevideZero: Do a base Debian install, then "aptitude install kdebase kdm x-window-system-core" |
| 13:41.57 | triplc | PerfDave: I see... hope that there is some non-free repo or something simila |
| 13:42.13 | PerfDave | triplc: Why not just use mailman or enemies-of-carlotta instead? |
| 13:42.23 | DevideZero | PerfDave , what is base debian install ? ( i need the name of the iso file ) |
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| 13:42.49 | jetscreamer | he did ask for alternatives |
| 13:42.58 | triplc | PerfDave: i just need something small for the marketing mailing out... mailman is a bit big, i think |
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| 13:43.13 | abrotman | mailman isn't that bad |
| 13:43.21 | logdenum | if "env" stores settings for that session only how do one sets classpaths globally ? sun's inst. notes asks for setenv |
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| 13:43.26 | PerfDave | DevideZero: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
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| 13:43.43 | jetscreamer | netinst |
| 13:43.48 | abrotman | triplc: maybe enemiesofcarlotta or whatever itis ? |
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| 13:44.05 | Azar | hello honorables :) |
| 13:44.13 | DevideZero | PerfDave , no and i know how to install i just dont know the iso filename |
| 13:44.18 | jetscreamer | netinst |
| 13:44.21 | triplc | Sivik: read /etc/mail/sendmail.mc, the directive DAEMON_OPTIONS... you'll see the default is listen only to 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:44.38 | Azar | linux and bsd licences over wireless drivers at war again |
| 13:44.43 | DevideZero | jetscreamer , i dont want netinstall because i need to install in on more than one pc and its alot of time |
| 13:44.45 | triplc | abrotman: ok, let me try that "enemies of..." |
| 13:44.54 | marc7 | hey guys, is there a channel for debian maintainers? i've read the new maintainers guide and have a few in-depth questions about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:45.03 | PerfDave | DevideZero: If you download the KDE ISO then it'll have the KDE packages for you. |
| 13:45.07 | PerfDave | mbroeker: #debian-devel I think |
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| 13:45.17 | marc7 | PerfDave: thanks |
| 13:45.22 | abrotman | marc7: ask #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:45.43 | DevideZero | PerfDave, yes but what is the name of this iso ? |
| 13:45.59 | abrotman | wow |
| 13:46.03 | jetscreamer | the l key broke you can't do ls ? |
| 13:46.16 | PerfDave | DevideZero: If you read the installation details at http://www.debian.org/ you will find that out. |
| 13:46.21 | marc7 | abrotman: i'll also give that a shot. i'm loving oftc ever since someone (might've been you) pointed me to #debian-boot on there |
| 13:46.29 | PerfDave | oftc sucks :) |
| 13:46.32 | Sivik | triplc: thanks, what about php? |
| 13:46.37 | jetscreamer | oftc is for n00bs |
| 13:46.38 | humbolto | do I need to boot a special kernel for being a Xen host or a Xen guest? |
| 13:46.41 | PerfDave | humbolto: Yes |
| 13:46.47 | jetscreamer | a xen kernel maybe if etch |
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| 13:46.52 | abrotman | jetscreamer: freenode is for asshats ? |
| 13:46.53 | PerfDave | humbolto: apt-cache search linux image xen |
| 13:46.57 | Azar | haha |
| 13:47.02 | humbolto | PerfDave: for guest or host? |
| 13:47.03 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:47.08 | Azar | different servers same story |
| 13:47.09 | PerfDave | humbolto: Yes |
| 13:47.15 | jetscreamer | ooo handholding! |
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| 13:47.29 | PerfDave | There's a 4.0r1 out? Missed that :) |
| 13:47.30 | Azar | on freenode abrotman looks cuter than on oftc tho |
| 13:47.39 | triplc | Sivik: i think default option of php (web script) is to use the local machine smtp to mail out, and hopefully that's what you want |
| 13:47.43 | PerfDave | On freenode abrotman's wearing his asshat. |
| 13:47.47 | abrotman | see |
| 13:48.02 | humbolto | PerfDave: for which one now? for the host OS or the guest OS? or for both? |
| 13:48.07 | cast | 'Christos Zoulas removed sendmail from the NetBSD source tree, after a lot of discussion about its security track-record. ' a year ago, but still, i never knew |
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| 13:48.17 | efaistos | is there some others good softwares than fail2ban to ban some @ip ? |
| 13:48.18 | PerfDave | humbolto: For both, unless you're doing hardware virtualisation |
| 13:48.25 | PerfDave | efaistos: iptables |
| 13:48.26 | humbolto | Can I run host Xen VMs and VMware VMs on the same machine? |
| 13:48.43 | abrotman | never figured out why PHP doesn't let you specify an smtp host .. but whatever |
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| 13:48.46 | PerfDave | humbolto: No, the Xen and VMWare kernel changes are not compatiable. |
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| 13:50.23 | DevideZero | PerfDave , i have looked here and there is nothing about how to install kde http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
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| 13:50.30 | humbolto | On an etch Xen host, can I paravirtualize any Linux OS that comes with a Xen kernel (Ubuntu 7.04)? |
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| 13:50.34 | fireba11 | liable: how can i find out what gcc versiosn i got available ? |
| 13:50.34 | FreekNL | For a home made "Debian Zealoit" T-shirt, we would love to know the font being used to write "Debian" in official doc's! Please DONT tell me that an propriatary is being used! |
| 13:51.08 | PerfDave | humbolto: You can run any distro and use the Debian-supplied Xen kernel for it |
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| 13:51.12 | liable | fireba11: gcc -v for the current one |
| 13:51.20 | humbolto | I seem to remember somebody told me, I would have to use the same kernel for both?! |
| 13:51.22 | PerfDave | humbolto: See xen-tools for installing most APT and RPM-based distros |
| 13:51.31 | liable | fireba11: and looking in /usr/bin for the others or dpkg -l |
| 13:51.37 | PerfDave | humbolto: Debian provides Xen kernels which can be used both for hosts and guests. |
| 13:51.38 | fireba11 | liable : thanks# |
| 13:51.44 | abrotman | !tell DevideZero about netinst |
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| 13:51.50 | Sivik | triplc: sure |
| 13:51.56 | Sivik | triplc: thanks |
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| 13:52.09 | PerfDave | DevideZero: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 13:52.13 | humbolto | PerfDave: This is only necessary for paravitualized guests, right. |
| 13:52.15 | triplc | Sivik: np |
| 13:52.24 | andyp__ | i am going to use etch as a server it will control a imac what is the sharing programme in etch that needs to be enabled |
| 13:52.32 | DevideZero | abrotman, i have netinstall and i told tha i want install cd not netinstall |
| 13:52.54 | jetscreamer | hold his hand some more! |
| 13:52.58 | PerfDave | DevideZero: Go to www.debian.org and follow the link for obtaining a copy of Debian |
| 13:53.02 | jetscreamer | maybe a little lower... |
| 13:53.09 | liable | hah |
| 13:53.10 | humbolto | PerfDave: Somehow it does not seem right to me to use the host OS kernel in all my guests. Does not seem like real virtualization then. |
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| 13:53.16 | abrotman | DevideZero: just use the netinst .. you'll be fine |
| 13:53.25 | PerfDave | humbolto: You don't need to if you can do hardware virtualisation |
| 13:53.38 | PerfDave | humbolto: But it's faster :) |
| 13:53.52 | Mr_Clean | Hello dudes. I woke up this morning, checked the e-mails on Icedove and found out that my inbox is empty. It wasn't last nigth, there are dozen of messages ther. I deleted the *.msf files but it didn't help. I am not a happy camper. Please help me :-( |
| 13:54.04 | cap` | Hi, how can I automatically install all relevant -dev pkgs? |
| 13:54.12 | DevideZero | abrotman , i know i have installed before with netinsl but i need to install on more than 1 pc so i have no time to wait and some of them have 56k connection |
| 13:54.16 | PerfDave | cap`: Relevant to what? |
| 13:54.31 | abrotman | DevideZero: okay .. then get the CDs .. i posted a URL above to get the CDs |
| 13:54.32 | xand | Mr_Clean: make a copy of the file that corresponds to your inbox and have a look at it using vim or something... it's a plaintext mbox file |
| 13:54.34 | humbolto | PerfDave: Paravirtualization is faster than HW virtualization in Xen? |
| 13:54.49 | cast | PerfDave: surely you can run anything in a xen domU, as long as its been ported to xen - thus no restriction to having to run the same kernel for domU as dom0 |
| 13:55.00 | cap` | PerfDave: of any package that is installed. |
| 13:55.15 | PerfDave | cap`: Just install $PACKAGE-dev |
| 13:55.19 | PerfDave | humbolto: I think so, but I could be wrong. I've never done hardware virtualisation in Xen |
| 13:55.20 | DevideZero | abrotman , 21 cd's ? |
| 13:55.28 | jetscreamer | icedove keeps stuff under ~/.mozilla-thunderbird here |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | DevideZero: you probably don't need them all |
| 13:55.35 | Mr_Clean | Ok xand, I am doing it. Just to let you know, the Inbox file has about 100 mb, so there is still plenty of data there |
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| 13:55.50 | PerfDave | cast: There's no restriction, I was telling humbolto that they didn't *need* to only run domUs which have Xen-enabled kernels provided. |
| 13:56.32 | PerfDave | cast: Because you can use the Debian xen kernel in your domU |
| 13:56.49 | cast | PerfDave: what was 'You don't need to if you can do hardware virtualisation' the if clause is the part i'm confused about |
| 13:56.51 | cap` | PerfDave: Why is it always so hard to just say "I don't know"? Thanks though. |
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| 13:57.43 | PerfDave | cast: Hardware virtualisation allows you to use non-Xen-enabled domU kernels. |
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| 13:58.07 | cast | awesome, we agree :) |
| 13:58.38 | PerfDave | Anyway, I need to get out of here |
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| 13:58.54 | DevideZero | debian have no cd or dvd install like fedora\suse\ubuntu\mandriva ? |
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| 13:58.59 | wastro | can anyone help me correct a goof I made with gnome? |
| 13:59.04 | jetscreamer | DevideZero: you suck. it's there. find it. |
| 13:59.09 | wastro | I set ctl-space to call beagle |
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| 13:59.14 | wastro | and now I need to unset it |
| 13:59.24 | wastro | but I can't find it anywhere in gconf-editor |
| 13:59.28 | wols | DevideZero: both CD and DVD |
| 13:59.30 | wols | !cd |
| 13:59.30 | dpkg | cd is, like, a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
| 13:59.42 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 13:59.42 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 14:00.58 | humbolto | cast: Do the Xen versions in the Dom0 and DomU kernels have to be exactly the same? Or just like as long as everything is 3.x.x. (2.x.x would not work in this assumption). |
| 14:01.01 | balzac5000 | I've set up a central log server to collect syslog entries from all servers on one of my subnets. The log server itself collects the info from the other servers via UDP 514 just fine. However, the log server's syslog entries aren't recorded anywhere. Does syslog.conf understand any sort of entry that means "Put the local log files - here."? |
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| 14:01.54 | hark | wastro: depends on where you set it.. if you're using metacity check /apps/metacity/*keybinding* |
| 14:02.25 | h3sp4wn | humbolto: I have run an opensolaris domU (built against 3.0.2 on 3.0.3) does mention the mismatch though |
| 14:02.32 | cast | humbolto: the only requirement of domU when you are lacking virtualization extensions is that it has been ported to xen and has PAE enabled if dom0 has PAE enabled, or disabled if dom0 has it disabled |
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| 14:02.55 | cast | humbolto: so you can run a different kernel version. you can run another OS, too. |
| 14:02.58 | Walli | Hol |
| 14:03.21 | Walli | How can I unlock a cd drive if it doesn't open after a lazy unmount? |
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| 14:03.35 | jetscreamer | lsof and kill whatever |
| 14:03.38 | Testerss | what is that cut/paste site people always use? |
| 14:03.46 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 14:03.46 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 14:03.53 | cast | h3sp4wn: with amdv/ivt or without? i wouldn't mind running opensolaris |
| 14:04.01 | h3sp4wn | cast: without |
| 14:04.15 | Walli | Can't I somehow forcibly unlock the drive without killing the process? |
| 14:04.28 | Walli | In hope the process doesn't crash or something |
| 14:04.28 | jetscreamer | think so |
| 14:04.42 | jetscreamer | man eject maybe not sure |
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| 14:05.24 | wastro | hark: thanks. I overlooked it the first time I checked. |
| 14:05.59 | h3sp4wn | cast: I think I started with a solaris express build and upgraded it to opensolaris from there (was a while ago) maybe its easier now |
| 14:06.03 | jetscreamer | -m maybe but that's not what i was remembering |
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| 14:06.10 | jetscreamer | not eject |
| 14:07.05 | abrotman | Walli: paperclif |
| 14:07.06 | abrotman | clip |
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| 14:07.48 | jetscreamer | some of them are too cheap to have holes, can you believe it? |
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| 14:08.55 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 14:09.30 | Fox_1_ | people how to reset sound card's ecualiseres |
| 14:09.32 | Fox_1_ | --- |
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| 14:09.39 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 14:10.15 | Hoxzer | Dude |
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| 14:11.17 | Walli | eject -m didn't work, but paperclip did (i hope i can still use without rbeooting^^) |
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| 14:12.43 | FreekNL | Anyone, what is the font used in The Debian logo? (http://www.debian.org/Pics/debian.png) (for usage in a t-shirt) |
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| 14:14.09 | Walli | Can I reinitalize the drive? I can't mount it anymore after using the paperclip. |
| 14:14.20 | jetscreamer | it's still mounted |
| 14:15.04 | Walli | It doesn't show up in /etc/mtab |
| 14:15.27 | jetscreamer | how about /proc/mounts (iirc) |
| 14:15.28 | azeem | Walli: does it show up when you run "mount"? |
| 14:15.31 | h3sp4wn | Walli: whatabout /proc/mounts |
| 14:15.38 | Walli | neither. |
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| 14:16.46 | curtisk | hi what is the comman for showing the depenties on a package |
| 14:16.57 | Walli | apt-cache depends package-name |
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| 14:17.10 | jetscreamer | so what's the deal with symlinking mtab to /proc/mounts ... why would you want to, or not want to |
| 14:17.20 | curtisk | is the show command removed ? |
| 14:17.25 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 14:17.30 | Walli | No |
| 14:17.34 | jetscreamer | apt-cache show |
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| 14:17.43 | curtisk | thx alot |
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| 14:18.21 | barbie | hi, my sources.list is empty! i m using deb v4. where to get it? |
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| 14:18.41 | wols | !sources.list |
| 14:18.41 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 14:18.48 | wols | barbie: I'd ask Ken |
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| 14:18.59 | jetscreamer | !be a sources.list barbie |
| 14:18.59 | dpkg | Aww, sources.list is HARD! Let's go shopping, jetscreamer |
| 14:19.09 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:19.21 | cast | haha. |
| 14:19.21 | Walli | Of what use is such a symlink? I need to change the cd while installing sims2 using wine. There're problems about that, i need to have another cd mounted to the same path, and the installer doesn't seem to like images. |
| 14:19.27 | tarzeau | telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 14:19.37 | liable | no |
| 14:19.42 | fireba11 | liable: nope .. gcc 3.4 doesn't work either |
| 14:19.43 | jetscreamer | Walli: no, i was asking a question, since you brought it up |
| 14:19.54 | liable | fireba11: file a bug then |
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| 14:20.40 | Walli | I haven't symlinked anything. I was just saying that the device is not mounted, imo. |
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| 14:20.56 | jetscreamer | add another cd drive ? |
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| 14:21.42 | Walli | There are already two drives, but sims2 has got 4 CDs. I can open neither of the drives. |
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| 14:21.57 | Mr_Clean | Hey, about my Icedove problem, the opened the Inbox file in vi and all the messages are there, but it seens that the program is not indexing it correctly |
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| 14:23.05 | cast | Mr_Clean: it a mbox file? |
| 14:23.27 | cast | Mr_Clean: i'd check out if mutt can open it without error, mutt -R -f foo.mbox |
| 14:23.28 | Mr_Clean | Yes |
| 14:23.48 | Mr_Clean | ok , I am doing it |
| 14:24.21 | IPv6Freely | Hello. I am looking to set up my network interfaces to be up, but with no IP address, as they are connected to switch ports that have SPAN monitoring configured on them. I don't see in the debian network configuration documentation how to do this. Does anyone have a link or know how to do this? |
| 14:25.23 | liable | IPv6Freely: ifconfig <iface> up |
| 14:25.45 | IPv6Freely | that simple huh |
| 14:25.50 | wols | IPv6Freely: /msg dpkg interface |
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| 14:26.23 | Mr_Clean | Cast, I am apt-getting mutt. |
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| 14:26.55 | IPv6Freely | wols: is that supposed to do anything, or is dpkg lagged? |
| 14:27.19 | xand | maybe "interfaces" instead. |
| 14:27.20 | wols | !interfaces |
| 14:27.20 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 14:27.28 | jetscreamer | dpkg is being blocked by pebkac |
| 14:27.43 | jetscreamer | and it's not dpkg's |
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| 14:27.52 | jetscreamer | no chair |
| 14:28.02 | IPv6Freely | jetscreamer: ah yes, wols had a pebkac |
| 14:28.18 | jetscreamer | aheh.... no, not wols... |
| 14:28.25 | xand | no? |
| 14:28.26 | IPv6Freely | Who's then? |
| 14:28.38 | jetscreamer | him say you /msg bot |
| 14:28.40 | xand | 2007-08-29 15:25:50 < wols> IPv6Freely: /msg dpkg interface <-- lack of "s" |
| 14:28.46 | jetscreamer | him no try /msg bot |
| 14:28.58 | jetscreamer | o |
| 14:29.14 | IPv6Freely | :) |
| 14:29.14 | jetscreamer | ok many pebkacs |
| 14:29.16 | IPv6Freely | lol |
| 14:29.17 | jetscreamer | even me |
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| 14:29.49 | Mr_Clean | cast, I did what you said, and I am able to see all the messages. I can even fell better now :-) |
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| 14:29.59 | harpal | I am trying to install libgd2-xpm-dev but at Setting up libxext6 (1.0.3-2) ... system stops working whats problem? |
| 14:30.21 | cast | Mr_Clean: great. now switch to mutt and problem solved! <i kid, i kid, but mutt is cool> |
| 14:30.37 | Mr_Clean | lol |
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| 14:31.32 | debian-ash_ | harpal does the system just hang? |
| 14:31.45 | harpal | yes |
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| 14:32.09 | debian-ash_ | Well without any errors its quite hard to work out exactly your cause of the hang. |
| 14:32.26 | cast | Mr_Clean: i'd try keeping a backup copy of your mbox, and using something to open it and resave it, hopefully resaving it right - you might be able to do that with mutt, not sure. |
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| 14:32.48 | cast | Mr_Clean: how did this situation arise? |
| 14:32.48 | abrotman | harpal: how long did you wait ? |
| 14:33.23 | harpal | I have waited till 1:30 or 2 mini |
| 14:33.26 | debian-ash_ | Also what version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:33.35 | debian-ash_ | Stable/ Unstable?? |
| 14:33.36 | harpal | I have debian 4.0 etch |
| 14:33.38 | fireba11 | wtf ? apt-get died ^^ no matter what i do i don't get any reply |
| 14:33.55 | debian-ash_ | fireball what do you mean died? |
| 14:34.19 | fireba11 | debian-ash_ : no matter what optiosn i call wil apt-get i don't get any reply at all |
| 14:34.20 | Mr_Clean | I don't know. The user said he did nothing wrong, inbox just appeared empty this morning |
| 14:34.30 | debian-ash_ | harpal try again and leave the system for a while. |
| 14:34.38 | harpal | ok |
| 14:34.49 | fireba11 | debian-ash_ : apt-get update just gives me a new line ^^ |
| 14:35.07 | jetscreamer | check sources? |
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| 14:35.15 | Eulex | fireba11, is your sources.list set up correctly? |
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| 14:35.36 | fireba11 | yes, also it worked 10 minutes ago |
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| 14:35.47 | debian-ash_ | What have you done since> |
| 14:35.49 | Joe77 | Q: I have a motherboard with Intel ICH9R which has 6 sata controllers. 2 hdds on the first 2 controllers became hda+hdc, while 2others are sda and sdb. How is it possible? :/ The 2 on hda/hdc are _very_ slow, they are not using dma and running in ata100 mode. (can't change it with hdparm either) |
| 14:35.50 | debian-ash_ | It was working. |
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| 14:36.20 | infinity0 | does anyone know of a linux-compatible 160GB external hard drive? |
| 14:36.22 | h3sp4wn | Joe77: There is 4 built into the chipset and then another 2 on another controller - just switch them around |
| 14:36.31 | cast | Mr_Clean: i'm not sure if icedove is so fragile as to have some stored email screw up its parsing of the mbox, or if the user just screwed it up somehow, could convert the mbox to maildir too :) [maildir is apparently better in some ways] |
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| 14:36.58 | h3sp4wn | infinity0: Hard pressed to find one that isn't (I have a maxtor one touch that works fine) wish I had got esata or firewire though |
| 14:37.18 | Joe77 | h3sp4wn: what? my motherboard has 6+2 sata controllers, the 6 looks the same |
| 14:37.51 | Joe77 | h3sp4wn: gigabyte GA-P35C-DS3R (http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=2551&ProductName=GA-P35C-DS3R ) |
| 14:38.17 | abrotman | hehe .. ich9 |
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| 14:38.22 | debian-ash_ | From what was i understand Joe77 is that 4 are built in and 2 on another controller, have you tried to change the slow drives onto another controller? |
| 14:38.25 | infinity0 | h3sp4wn: ahh ok, thanks |
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| 14:39.28 | Joe77 | debian-ash_: no I didn't and I have no physical access to the box atm :| but afair 6should be 'built in' + 2 on an other (gigabyte) controller |
| 14:39.37 | infinity0 | h3sp4wn: if the product description doesn't explicitly say linux compatible but lists MacOS/Windows, is that more likely due to ignorance or incompatibility? |
| 14:39.46 | jetscreamer | Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. |
| 14:39.58 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 14:40.27 | h3sp4wn | infinity0: There is only one I can think of that only works with linux 2.4 (a genesis logic one) |
| 14:40.30 | jetscreamer | where you goin with that gun in your hand |
| 14:40.46 | h3sp4wn | infinity0: If its usb2 I would say 99%+ it will work |
| 14:41.00 | infinity0 | ahh ok, thanks |
| 14:41.05 | Mr_Clean | cast, cool, how do I do it? :-) |
| 14:41.44 | cast | Mr_Clean: install mb2md perhaps |
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| 14:42.18 | cast | infinity0: never heard of a normal usb hard drive not working |
| 14:42.45 | infinity0 | kk, just wanted to make sure, because these specs i'm looking at dont' mention linux at all |
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| 14:44.08 | debian-ash_ | Most hardware does not. |
| 14:44.20 | debian-ash_ | As its a small minority that use Linux. |
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| 14:45.02 | evri2 | can someone help me?When i try to mount a ntfs file system,it says that it looks like swapspace.When i use qtparted it says swapspace.However when i use fdisk -l or cfdisk,It says it is ntfs.I can mount that system by forcing it as ntfs but it will not be listed in some services as a disk drive.Can someone help? |
| 14:45.31 | abrotman | on ubuntu ? |
| 14:45.37 | harpal | I have waited till 5 min still it doesnt running, just hanged |
| 14:45.39 | evri2 | on every linux system :) |
| 14:45.52 | abrotman | evri2: try #ubuntu |
| 14:46.11 | Drk_Guy | Hi guys! |
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| 14:46.28 | Drk_Guy | Can i install my Ubuntu .deb 's in Debian? |
| 14:46.33 | abrotman | no |
| 14:46.37 | Drk_Guy | no? |
| 14:46.40 | abrotman | NO |
| 14:46.44 | Drk_Guy | why? |
| 14:46.45 | cast | sure he can, things will just break. badly. |
| 14:46.59 | Drk_Guy | O.O |
| 14:46.59 | abrotman | Drk_Guy: it will break |
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| 14:47.07 | Drk_Guy | Dependencies? |
| 14:47.21 | abrotman | go ahead .. try it .. |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | just ignore us .. what do we know |
| 14:47.33 | Drk_Guy | Ok, ok |
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| 14:47.38 | Drk_Guy | Just Take it easy |
| 14:47.40 | cast | Drk_Guy: what is your ubuntu .deb? if its, say, a python program it might be fine. or a statically compiled shell |
| 14:47.54 | Drk_Guy | I have a whole aptoncd ISO |
| 14:48.09 | jmalicki | drk_guy: you can probably recompile the source packages |
| 14:48.15 | Drk_Guy | Maybe |
| 14:48.20 | abrotman | and then no one will support him |
| 14:48.20 | Drk_Guy | Then dpkg them |
| 14:48.23 | cast | so you have 700mb of ubuntu packages? ....yeah, just throw that in the bin and make live easy for yourself. |
| 14:48.34 | Drk_Guy | Ok... |
| 14:49.05 | Drk_Guy | For example: can i install amule from the ISO? |
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| 14:49.47 | cast | forget your ubuntu iso, forget all your ubuntu debs. just pretend its another universe, itll be easier that way |
| 14:49.49 | wsdo_okadr | how do I use display from imagemagick to get over all the screen ? |
| 14:49.51 | sohmestra | Drk_Guy: you should be able to install anything. You just have no guarantee that it won't break things. |
| 14:50.01 | Drk_Guy | Ok, thanks |
| 14:50.18 | cast | Drk_Guy: amule is in debian, so just use the debian package. |
| 14:50.39 | Drk_Guy | Ok, thx guys |
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| 14:53.33 | harpal | I have one packet libxext6 (1.0.3-2) it doesnt seems to be installing and when I try to install other packages than it first starts to install it again than how can I remove that or just tell apt-get that to not install it |
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| 14:53.52 | cast | wsdo_okadr: not sure, if i want a image full screen i'll use feh -F -Z *.jpg personally |
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| 14:53.58 | IgorSobreira | hi all..anybody know is there is a repository with Pidgin?? |
| 14:54.10 | Zapaty | not for debian |
| 14:54.34 | IgorSobreira | for Ubuntu..would work? |
| 14:54.46 | Zapaty | nope |
| 14:54.50 | IgorSobreira | ok.. |
| 14:54.50 | Zapaty | you must compile the source |
| 14:54.57 | Zapaty | it's not difficult at all |
| 14:54.57 | cast | wsdo_okadr: display -help|grep size might answer your question, -resize perhaps |
| 14:55.04 | wesztin | my linux does not start, what tool do you need to fix bad blocks in linux hard drive? scsi disk |
| 14:55.12 | IgorSobreira | yep...im downloading dependencies.... |
| 14:55.13 | cast | IgorSobreira: check backports.org? |
| 14:55.16 | Zapaty | fsck |
| 14:55.38 | IgorSobreira | cast, nope.. O_o |
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| 14:58.09 | wesztin | how to measure size of free space? fdisk -k |
| 14:58.16 | cast | wesztin: man df |
| 14:58.31 | cast | wesztin: unless you want to know free unpartitioned space... |
| 14:58.33 | jetscreamer | he might mean unallocated/unpartitioned |
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| 14:59.27 | cast | i'd go cfdisk /dev/sda, but i like cfdisk :) |
| 14:59.47 | jetscreamer | scsi comes up as sd? also? |
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| 14:59.53 | jetscreamer | sdx |
| 15:00.47 | cast | it did in 2.4 days didn't it, i presume its the same in 2.6 |
| 15:00.57 | lordrich | IgorSobreira: pidgin is in lenny and sid, you might be able to backport it to etch |
| 15:01.14 | jetscreamer | i dunno nowadays my hda is sda so no idea |
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| 15:02.40 | jetscreamer | i seem to remember a pidgin sources.list line somewhere but not sure |
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| 15:02.59 | jetscreamer | they may have a repo |
| 15:02.59 | h3sp4wn | !bpo |
| 15:02.59 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 15:03.08 | h3sp4wn | quite likely they have it |
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| 15:03.33 | jetscreamer | thought that person said it wasn't on backports |
| 15:03.40 | jetscreamer | !pigdin |
| 15:03.42 | jetscreamer | err |
| 15:03.48 | jetscreamer | !pidgin |
| 15:03.48 | dpkg | hmm... pidgin is formerly gaim, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 15:03.53 | cast | i checked a few minutes ago, didn't find it |
| 15:03.56 | cast | [on bpo] |
| 15:04.17 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: that's a no |
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| 15:05.10 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: I guess backports.org is reserved for non crappy programs |
| 15:05.10 | abrotman | that it's not at bpo ? |
| 15:05.18 | jetscreamer | read the factoid |
| 15:05.20 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: sadly .. pidgin isn't that bad |
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| 15:05.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yes .. so what? |
| 15:05.33 | jetscreamer | the last line? |
| 15:05.38 | abrotman | it's still not at bpo |
| 15:05.48 | cast | it still confuses me why pidgin doesn't support jabber properly |
| 15:06.00 | jetscreamer | i already said that he said that already |
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| 15:06.03 | abrotman | h3sp4wn: and aren't most of the other IM clients based on libpurple ? |
| 15:06.13 | IgorSobreira | i've installed pidgin..compiled from source...but it gives me this error: "SSL support is needed for MSN. Please install a supported SSL library." when trying to connect MSN...anybody knows what lib do i need to install? i've installed libssl0.9.8 but nothing yet.... |
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| 15:06.33 | cast | IgorSobreira: probably gnutls |
| 15:06.42 | IgorSobreira | hum |
| 15:06.50 | jetscreamer | it's probably supplied by that source if not |
| 15:07.00 | h3sp4wn | abrotman: bitlbee doesn't seem to need it unless its a deep dependancy |
| 15:07.03 | jetscreamer | what that one didn't work for you? |
| 15:07.08 | abrotman | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070829/ap_on_go_pr_wh/rove_s_car |
| 15:08.27 | Fox_1_ | hipeople |
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| 15:08.56 | IgorSobreira | nothig yet... :-T |
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| 15:09.16 | Fox_1_ | from where can I get override file for dpkg-scanpackages?? |
| 15:10.13 | IPv6Freely | Thanks guys |
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| 15:10.38 | cr3 | how can I configure dhcpd3 so that different addresses are assigned based on the interface the request is coming from? |
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| 15:11.46 | ribasushi | cr3: you have two interfaces on the same subnet? |
| 15:12.12 | xerophyte | what is really good console email client for linux ? |
| 15:12.20 | ribasushi | xerophyte: mutt |
| 15:12.27 | abrotman | mutt, elmo, pine, mail |
| 15:12.30 | cr3 | ribasushi: specifically, I have one interface on two vlans |
| 15:12.31 | abrotman | erm .. alpine |
| 15:12.46 | cr3 | ribasushi: so, I have eth0 and eth0.5 |
| 15:13.07 | en1gma | hey all im following a guide on learning ssh http://www.sshkeychain.org/mirrors/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO-4.html (step 4.4) uploading the keys using 'ssh localhost' and i get connection refused...anyone help me with this? |
| 15:13.25 | ribasushi | cr3: it would only matter if both eth0 and eth0.5 both hold an IP in the _same_ subnet |
| 15:13.33 | ribasushi | cr3: or worse - the same ip |
| 15:13.47 | cr3 | ribasushi: both interfaces have different IPs on different subnets |
| 15:13.59 | ribasushi | cr3: otherwise dhcp is completely layer 3 - you define a different set of rules for every subnet you serve - the interface is irrelevant |
| 15:14.15 | ribasushi | cr3: well then for every subnet you will have different pools anyway |
| 15:14.31 | cast | 'As a reaction, some developers forked version 3.9.1 under the name MANA (for Mail And News Agent) to avoid the trademark issue and the GNU project adopted it as GNU Mana. Richard Stallman claims that the University of Washington threatened[4] to sue the Free Software Foundation for distributing modified Pine, resulting in the development of MANA ceasing and no versions were released' another reason to not like pine |
| 15:15.18 | IgorSobreira | i wanna add a location to my $PATH, http://paste.uni.cc/17024 (i've add the last location) but nothing yet... :T |
| 15:15.24 | cast | en1gma: you are running sshd correct? |
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| 15:15.54 | wols | cast: so basically they (U of Wa) killed PINE? |
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| 15:16.31 | fastputty | hi i change sysclt, now my system do not log anymore my log.. someone could help me to refix it.. |
| 15:16.43 | fastputty | how to reset sysctl to default |
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| 15:17.03 | fastputty | kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
| 15:17.16 | fastputty | since i put this, my iptables do not log anymore |
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| 15:18.11 | jetscreamer | !printk |
| 15:18.11 | dpkg | hmm... printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 15:18.11 | Joachim | Question for all: Does anyone know a package, not necessarily a debian one, which automates taking of lvm snapshots for short term backup purpose? |
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| 15:18.45 | anandanbu | I got three Debian4.0 DVD's and i want to make copies of it using Ubuntu 7.04 and how do to that |
| 15:19.36 | cast | wols: seems they distributed it with the right to distribute modified copies, then changed their minds and the license and denied having ever granted the right to distribute modified versions |
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| 15:19.42 | jetscreamer | dd if=/dev/scd0 of=dvd1.iso or so, then burn the .iso's .... there are also gui programs for copying |
| 15:19.59 | jetscreamer | or if=/dev/cdrom |
| 15:20.02 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
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| 15:20.28 | en1gma | can someone help me with that ssh problem |
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| 15:20.45 | en1gma | im in #openssh but there is only 19 ppl there and no one is answering |
| 15:20.53 | en1gma | i googled the error but only 3 results |
| 15:21.05 | cast | en1gma: then answer my question :| |
| 15:21.06 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: uncomment - ListenAddress 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:21.17 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: from /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:21.28 | en1gma | oh i dont think im running sshd |
| 15:21.48 | en1gma | im not sure. how do i check |
| 15:22.07 | cast | netstat -ap|grep ':ssh' or ps aux |
| 15:22.14 | h3sp4wn | en1gma: lsof -i |
| 15:22.20 | Joachim | en1gma: do ps -C sshd |
| 15:22.51 | en1gma | nope its not running |
| 15:23.05 | abrotman | pebkac |
| 15:23.06 | riot | upon make menuconfig i only receive a bunch of errors, mainly that it cannot find curses.h... what is wrong here? i have ncurses and libncurses-stuff installed. |
| 15:23.13 | en1gma | i dont know if i even have that package...i did the debian netinstall base only |
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| 15:23.18 | Joachim | So what do you want to do en1gma? |
| 15:23.19 | jetscreamer | libncurses5-dev |
| 15:23.24 | jetscreamer | riot |
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| 15:23.27 | abrotman | en1gma: install ssh |
| 15:23.33 | en1gma | then i added webmin but read/heard that was unsafe so today i trying to learn ssh |
| 15:23.47 | riot | jetscreamer: oi, thank you :) |
| 15:23.57 | en1gma | i want to control my router box (debian) from remote connection on my lan |
| 15:24.02 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 15:24.02 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
| 15:24.04 | en1gma | lan = windows boxes |
| 15:24.22 | jetscreamer | !putty |
| 15:24.22 | dpkg | it has been said that putty is a DFSG-free ssh/telnet/rsh client for Windows and Linux. It is small, simple, and has no install nonsense. Available at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
| 15:24.39 | en1gma | i got putty setup correct with its keys...and i uploaded those keys (rsa and dsa) to the /home/user/.ssh dir |
| 15:24.45 | cast | en1gma: learn how to use aptitude, search for openssh, you should find the server package |
| 15:25.10 | en1gma | can i just 'apt-get install openssh' |
| 15:25.11 | Joachim | en1gma: debian box # apt-get install openssh-server |
| 15:25.16 | jetscreamer | !ssh |
| 15:25.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 15:25.17 | en1gma | k thnx |
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| 15:25.31 | lukhas | hello |
| 15:25.47 | cast | don't make me give up my aptitude pimping :( |
| 15:25.52 | xerophyte | does the mutt has spell and grammar check ? |
| 15:26.07 | lukhas | quick question: where can I find a Woody repository for debootstrap ? |
| 15:26.13 | lukhas | I can't seem to find one by googling |
| 15:26.20 | cast | no doubt you'll be able to do spell checking, perhaps with aspell, but i doubt anything does grammar checking, does it? |
| 15:26.26 | jetscreamer | !woody |
| 15:26.26 | dpkg | i guess woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 15:26.43 | cr3 | ribasushi: so I now have two pools defined for the two subnets, but I keep seeing the address assigned from the wrong pool :( |
| 15:26.59 | lukhas | jetscreamer: hmm, that won't work for debootstrap, will it? |
| 15:26.59 | cast | xerophyte: vim has spell checking, btw :) |
| 15:27.06 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 15:27.19 | jetscreamer | it must have a sources.list in ther somewhere |
| 15:27.31 | lukhas | yeah, good point |
| 15:27.35 | xerophyte | cast does the mutt use vim ? |
| 15:27.39 | Joachim | So back to my problem: Does anyone know a package, not necessarily a debian one, which automates taking of lvm snapshots for short term backup purpose? |
| 15:27.58 | cast | xerophyte: mine does, i think it calls whatever editor you want. yours might call nano, nfi |
| 15:28.34 | xerophyte | cast sounds cool how about grammar check :) i need these stuff so badly because most don't understand what i write ;) |
| 15:28.48 | lukhas | ah, finally found http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ :) |
| 15:28.48 | cr3 | ribasushi: aha! the problem was that I had the wrong interface defined in /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
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| 15:28.51 | cast | xerophyte: hey if you find one yell out...sucks mine. |
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| 15:29.21 | jetscreamer | does mc-edit do it? |
| 15:29.23 | vn_ | what should I take between m0n0wall and pfSense? |
| 15:29.30 | jetscreamer | both |
| 15:29.36 | anandanbu | I got three Debian4.0 DVD's and i want to make copies of it using Ubuntu 7.04 and how do to that |
| 15:29.40 | vn_ | they do the same thing no? |
| 15:29.46 | xerophyte | cast, thx sure will do |
| 15:29.49 | jetscreamer | then get rid of the one you don't like |
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| 15:29.57 | vn_ | meh :p |
| 15:30.33 | cast | wtf are those? firewall distros? |
| 15:30.43 | vn_ | da |
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| 15:31.07 | cast | oh. openbsd is already pretty well suited to that |
| 15:31.10 | jetscreamer | anandanbu: i told you |
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| 15:32.02 | Ronin | vn_: ipcop is also an excellent option |
| 15:32.09 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 15:32.17 | fluxdude | anyone know a good stopwatch program for linux, cli or gui is fine.... |
| 15:32.17 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 15:32.33 | anandanbu | jetscreamer: I didnt notice sorry for that im having gnome baker installed and how to write those in dvd's |
| 15:32.52 | jetscreamer | iirc gnome baker didn't do dvd's when i looked at it |
| 15:32.54 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 15:33.07 | vn_ | Ronin: thanks for the advice, I'm gonna give it a look |
| 15:33.23 | anandanbu | jetscreamer: how can i make it using K3B |
| 15:33.32 | vn_ | I mostly want stats, firewall web based management and QoS |
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| 15:34.06 | jetscreamer | anandanbu: there's a copy dvd in the tools menu .... iirc it's called the tools menu... or rightclick the big blue square on the bottom with those 6 boxes |
| 15:34.31 | jetscreamer | you know, look at it. |
| 15:34.53 | anandanbu | jetscreamer: thanks for the info |
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| 15:35.47 | cast | fluxdude: python -c 'from time import time; s=time();print "Enter to stop timing";raw_input();print "Time taken:",time()-s # GPLv3+' |
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| 15:39.50 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yes it does |
| 15:40.35 | jetscreamer | k ... iirc it used to not, but i only looked at it once |
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| 15:41.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: apt-cache show gnomebaker didn't tip you off ? |
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| 15:42.33 | jetscreamer | i don't care enough to open an xterm and do what he could |
| 15:42.47 | xerophyte | how many things mutt is better than thunderbird .. i know its not the same line of software but just wondering if i should switch to mutt from thunderbird because i am having slow email processing with thunderbird |
| 15:42.48 | abrotman | !info gnomebaker etch |
| 15:42.52 | dpkg | gnomebaker: (application for CD/DVD creation in the GNOME desktop), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-7 (etch), Packaged size: 997 kB, Installed size: 2968 kB |
| 15:42.54 | abrotman | better? :) |
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| 15:43.14 | abrotman | xerophyte: why is it slow? doing what actions ? |
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| 15:43.30 | abrotman | xerophyte: and is it pop3 or imap ? |
| 15:43.54 | wesztin | how to list jobs in cron |
| 15:44.03 | wesztin | cron - root |
| 15:44.09 | wesztin | cron -l root |
| 15:44.24 | jetscreamer | well i'd be kinda hard pressed to tell him/her how to burn a dvd with gnomebaker if i didn't even know it did dvd's now eh? |
| 15:44.55 | jetscreamer | which was the whole point... more handholding requested |
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| 15:45.12 | xerophyte | abrotman, its imap .. i am wondering looks like mutt should be good because i can read email anywhere using the ssh to my home box |
| 15:45.36 | abrotman | which actions ? |
| 15:45.45 | cast | OT: any gmail users get emails from hotmail users that are like...2 hours late? [looking at the timestamps i can't tell who it is, different timezones, converting them to UTC results in nonsense] |
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| 15:46.26 | logdenum | hi, there's an app. called FIND that sometimes fires by itself and begun scanning drives , what's this ? |
| 15:46.34 | hismeat | cast: Yes |
| 15:46.39 | fastputty | someone here use Iptables logs? |
| 15:46.39 | jetscreamer | it's doing updatedb |
| 15:46.44 | jetscreamer | logdenum: |
| 15:46.45 | abrotman | it's for findutils .. it's updateing the locate updatedb |
| 15:46.53 | cast | hismeat: do you know if its hotmail or gmails fault? |
| 15:46.56 | jetscreamer | it's a cron job |
| 15:47.00 | hismeat | cast: sometimes like 8-10 hours late too |
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| 15:47.19 | logdenum | ah thx |
| 15:47.27 | hismeat | cast: i'm not sure ... i think there's a bit of info on google about this actually. |
| 15:48.57 | TrueDD | je re, ++ |
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| 15:50.29 | abrotman | cast: obviously .. you should move all your friends to your email server |
| 15:51.08 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 15:51.22 | jetscreamer | google vs ms |
| 15:51.25 | jetscreamer | whose fault |
| 15:51.43 | jetscreamer | who's |
| 15:51.55 | Zapaty | m$ you mean |
| 15:52.15 | jetscreamer | $google vs m$ |
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| 15:52.38 | Zapaty | there isn't any s in 'google' |
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| 15:53.06 | jetscreamer | googol |
| 15:53.06 | abrotman | g00gle ? |
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| 15:53.36 | dfldf | hellows, there is no webmin package in the repository right ? |
| 15:53.41 | abrotman | nor should there be |
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| 15:53.56 | TrueDD | re |
| 15:54.22 | jetscreamer | rah rah re |
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| 15:54.31 | azeem | goog£e |
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| 15:54.38 | dfldf | abrotman:you mean that for webmin ? |
| 15:54.38 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 15:54.39 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
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| 15:54.57 | fozze | anyone familiar with setting up ppp with getty? (not mgetty, just getty) |
| 15:55.17 | xerophyte | damn mutt needs are MTA , i have email account which sends email on different port .. does it can use the remote MTA with different port do i have to have local MTA |
| 15:55.31 | dfldf | ic |
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| 15:56.33 | msn | anyone having experience with qemu? |
| 15:56.53 | jetscreamer | dfldf: there are other programs in sources that do that type of function |
| 15:57.10 | cast | msn: is that a kind of bird? |
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| 15:57.36 | msn | its like vmware of opensource |
| 15:57.37 | azeem | cast: if you're annoyed at questions, just take a while odff |
| 15:57.37 | msn | :P |
| 15:57.38 | azeem | off* |
| 15:57.56 | dfldf | jetscreamer: ok that sounds interesting... which ones? |
| 15:57.59 | jetscreamer | there is no question |
| 15:58.13 | jetscreamer | dfldf: i don't know any names, i've just seen em when looking |
| 15:58.17 | msn | anyway it work good when i boot deb in it default, but if i pass -kernel-kqemu option it gives kernal panic |
| 15:58.29 | dfldf | jetscreamer: I've build a small appliance, and it would be nice to have a webbased framework to handle my config files,.... |
| 15:59.18 | msn | -kernel-kqemu is an acclerator for it which basicallly makes all instructions to the kernel pass to the host CPU instead of the emulated one |
| 15:59.24 | lordrich | xerophyte: you should have an mta on your local machine anyway - try nullmailer |
| 15:59.45 | jetscreamer | dfldf: not sure if any of these are what you want but apt-cache search config |grep admin |
| 15:59.51 | iovar | msn: is the target and host arch the same? |
| 16:00.08 | msn | iovar: yeah both are i386 |
| 16:00.11 | msn | 32bit |
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| 16:00.58 | REGJAVA | How can i use grep so that i get the some line above and below the pattern? |
| 16:01.15 | msn | REGJAVA: man grep |
| 16:01.25 | msn | REGJAVA: its in there |
| 16:01.49 | REGJAVA | I dont have man installed |
| 16:01.58 | REGJAVA | I am using MKS korn shell |
| 16:02.03 | msn | google |
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| 16:02.18 | stiv2k | hi. How do i run certain commands right before suspending and right after resuming my laptop? I need to kill and restart gnome-screensaver because it always messes up my session.. |
| 16:02.34 | msn | google for same its very simple you would find the online man pages |
| 16:02.48 | jetscreamer | xscreensaver-command --disable ? man xscreensaver-command |
| 16:03.09 | stiv2k | jetscreamer: i use gnome-screensaver though.. |
| 16:03.09 | h3sp4wn | REGJAVA: -A ? -B ? |
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| 16:03.28 | kenjy | guys I have a python script (vzmem.py) I use $ python vzmem.py 512 106 to run it but I wanna do ./vzmem.py 512 106 is there a way to do this? |
| 16:03.40 | h3sp4wn | REGJAVA: where the ?'s are number of lines before and after |
| 16:03.51 | REGJAVA | Thanks |
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| 16:04.21 | jetscreamer | how about grep --help |
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| 16:04.33 | mashuuk | Hi |
| 16:04.38 | mashuuk | I want to download libssp0 |
| 16:04.44 | jetscreamer | do so |
| 16:04.45 | mashuuk | where I can find this package? |
| 16:04.48 | jetscreamer | pdo |
| 16:04.58 | mashuuk | I cant find it |
| 16:05.08 | mashuuk | its in cross compiler dependecies for emdebian |
| 16:05.17 | xerophyte | what is the good vnc client for linux |
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| 16:05.28 | jetscreamer | apt-file search then mashuuk it might be in another package |
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| 16:05.40 | jetscreamer | 'provided by' |
| 16:06.04 | stiv2k | ????? |
| 16:06.12 | msn | h3sp4wn: i could tell that too its the first line in man grep :P just wanted him/her to do some search before asking |
| 16:06.17 | mashuuk | jetscreamer, well my crosscompiler wants package called libssp0 |
| 16:06.41 | jetscreamer | !find libssp |
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| 16:06.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libssp' (3): (/usr/src/gcc-4.2/patches/libssp-gnu.dpatch) in devel/gcc-4.2-source ;; (/usr/src/gcc-4.1/patches/libssp-gnu.dpatch) in devel/gcc-4.1-source ;; (/usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/lib/{libssp.a|libssp.la|libssp.so|...}, /usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/lib64/{libssp.a|libssp.la|libssp.so|...}) in devel/gcc-snapshot. |
| 16:07.38 | h3sp4wn | msn: It is ? not looked recently |
| 16:07.41 | jetscreamer | gcc... that's this thing i heard of once |
| 16:07.44 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 16:08.08 | mashuuk | jetscreamer, ok found it in stable |
| 16:08.09 | stiv2k | hi. How do i run certain commands right before suspending and right after resuming my laptop? I need to kill and restart gnome-screensaver because it always messes up my session.. |
| 16:08.12 | mashuuk | jetscreamer, hope it will work |
| 16:08.13 | MasterOfDisaster | hi, how would I set a metric for a default gateway? I want to prefer eth0 over eth1, if both are on (Ethernet and Wifi) |
| 16:08.13 | stiv2k | shit |
| 16:08.20 | stiv2k | my bad |
| 16:08.51 | h3sp4wn | mashuuk: It will be in the emdebian repository |
| 16:09.01 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, will ?/ |
| 16:09.04 | h3sp4wn | mashuuk: (all the unofficial stuff done properly has the 0 after it |
| 16:09.07 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, its not there |
| 16:09.13 | jetscreamer | stiv2k: i dunno but gnome-screensaver might just be a frontend... no idea at all |
| 16:09.34 | stiv2k | jetscreamer: possible |
| 16:09.48 | stiv2k | dammit |
| 16:09.52 | stiv2k | all my stuff is messed up |
| 16:09.55 | stiv2k | ok |
| 16:10.07 | stiv2k | any idea why my /etc/init.d/hwclock hangs my system whenever i try to run it? |
| 16:10.08 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, I found it in stable but depend on older gcc base |
| 16:10.27 | stiv2k | see what used to happen was every time i'd shut down or reboot, it'd hang at "savign system clock" |
| 16:10.31 | stiv2k | so i disabled it for now |
| 16:10.37 | stiv2k | but now my clock is almost always off |
| 16:10.45 | stiv2k | by like four hours |
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| 16:11.12 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, any help ? |
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| 16:12.29 | TestA | is there a script for creating a init process to be executed by start-stop-daemon |
| 16:12.58 | jetscreamer | there's a template somewhere |
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| 16:14.39 | thelostbutler | TestA |
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| 16:14.52 | thelostbutler | TestA:http://wiki.debianhelp.org/pmwiki.php/DebianHelpPages/DebianInitScripts is probably where you want to start |
| 16:15.27 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, where I can download libssp0 that depends on gcc base >= 4.2 |
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| 16:17.57 | jetscreamer | probably more like fix your crosscompiler of choice or use a different one, but i know nothing |
| 16:18.28 | jetscreamer | use one from sources rather |
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| 16:28.37 | Burn | hello, is it possible to have a machine with 2 interfaces on 2 different networks? Do I have to set 2 gateways? |
| 16:29.14 | Braindead | Burn: you mean 2 *default* gateways? |
| 16:29.27 | Burn | Braindead: I think yes |
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| 16:30.16 | Braindead | I think not. "default" kinda means "one and only". but you can play with metrics |
| 16:30.21 | Braindead | route metrics I mean |
| 16:30.37 | Burn | Braindead: I'm not so familiar with that |
| 16:30.46 | Burn | I just want traffic on eth1 to be sent on eth1 |
| 16:31.17 | Braindead | anyway this isn't strictly debian-related. and as I see you really should head over at www.lartc.org |
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| 16:31.48 | Braindead | and yes, without a clear picture of what you intend to do it's kinda hard to help you |
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| 16:32.17 | Burn | Braindead: it's just a webserver, with 2 interfaces now, 2 different networks |
| 16:32.18 | vn_ | is QoS and fair queuing enabled in default Etch's kernel? |
| 16:32.35 | Burn | Braindead: he receives messages on both network ip's, but I don't know how to send it |
| 16:33.01 | Braindead | vn_: check /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 16:33.13 | Braindead | Burn: send what? |
| 16:33.20 | Burn | Braindead: send http traffic |
| 16:33.46 | vn_ | Braindead: nice, didn't know that one! thanks |
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| 16:35.57 | vn_ | dang, dunno the option name |
| 16:36.23 | Braindead | vn_: search for QoS ? |
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| 16:36.36 | Braindead | # QoS and/or fair queueing |
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| 16:38.04 | vn_ | ok got it, thanks |
| 16:38.18 | vn_ | I thought all the text was in uppercase |
| 16:38.28 | Braindead | vn_: grep -i kinda helps |
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| 16:38.41 | Braindead | case insensitive searches I mean |
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| 16:39.16 | vn_ | k, I'm taking note |
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| 16:40.54 | vn_ | CONFIG_NET_SCH_HTB=m <=== m stands for...module? |
| 16:41.05 | Braindead | yes |
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| 16:41.42 | xlq | Some X applications look crap. How can I change the appearance, in particular fonts? |
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| 16:43.19 | rahul | xlq: read the docs for the app and change the fonts it uses |
| 16:43.45 | vn_ | kewl, sounds all good...I'm good for doing some QoS |
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| 16:44.01 | DexterF | is there a place where I can request builds? |
| 16:44.32 | DexterF | I'D like to see SMplayer on the repos. Won't compile and I don't really know what to do about it. |
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| 16:46.11 | dkr | heh, got locked out of my system because I installed gforge (it modified /etc/pam.d/common-auth to add pam_pgsql but postgresql isn't conf'd to allow tcp connections byd efault) |
| 16:46.11 | shad0w1e | hey, I', not seeing 'ls' with colors like I do on SuSE (which I'm migrating from) could someone help me get color working on debian? thx |
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| 16:46.32 | dkr | and then xscreensaver went on so I couldn't auth to clear it |
| 16:46.53 | itchi | shad0w1e: Create an alias |
| 16:46.56 | shad0w1e | boot off a knoppix live cd, mount the partition and fix it? |
| 16:46.59 | shad0w1e | itchi, how? |
| 16:47.07 | itchi | shad0w1e: Man alias |
| 16:47.28 | vulture | shad0w1e: Are you running the default aliases? (the ones in Debian's skeleton user directory's .bash_profile, etc?) |
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| 16:47.48 | vulture | among other things, they produce the: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
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| 16:48.05 | shad0w1e | vulture, this is a brand new install, so yes. I alreayd tried: export LS_COLORS=, which didn't work |
| 16:48.32 | d0uglas | hey now.. any way to join a bluetooth personal area network or is that an ms thing |
| 16:48.33 | itchi | shad0w1e: Type 'alias' and take a look |
| 16:48.33 | vulture | shad0w1e: Are you using bash? What does "alias" show you? (does it list the alias I mentioned above) |
| 16:48.46 | itchi | It show the alias that are defined, if some ones ... |
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| 16:49.05 | shad0w1e | ahh. i saw LS_COLORS under env. hell , let me try it |
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| 16:49.23 | Braindead | shad0w1e: just edit your .bashrc file. the option is there, commented |
| 16:49.43 | vulture | Braindead: Ah, yeah - forgot it might've been commented out in the default. |
| 16:50.05 | itchi | shad0w1e: Or if you want it for 'this' session, just type in your shell alias ls='ls -b -CF --color=auto' |
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| 16:50.40 | shad0w1e | itchi, thanks! |
| 16:50.45 | shad0w1e | it workezered::: |
| 16:51.20 | itchi | shad0w1e: That may help you to test it right now, Then put the stuff like you want in the ~/.bashrc or the your zsh config |
| 16:51.32 | itchi | zsh rocks that much :-p |
| 16:51.46 | vulture | Is there a fully commented version of the Doxygen config file in the Debian Doxygen packages? (and if so, where is it?) |
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| 16:51.53 | xlq | I tried setting the environment variables the program told me to, but it makes no difference |
| 16:52.45 | vulture | I can find all these simple examples, but ideally I'd like to start with a config file showing all options/defaults to work from |
| 16:53.10 | itchi | vulture: Use dpkg -L foo, where foo is the package name. And take a look |
| 16:53.34 | shad0w1e | ok next problem I have is when I press 'down' in vi when I'm on edit mode, it writes a caps B |
| 16:53.35 | riot | what xml-tool-related package is necessary for kernel building using make-kpkg? |
| 16:53.39 | vulture | I've looked around, haven't found anything yet - there are a myriad of smaller examples so far as I can see - but maybe I'm missing something or don't know which one to look at |
| 16:53.48 | shad0w1e | after that, i may be sold on debian |
| 16:53.54 | itchi | shad0w1e: vi sucks :-) use vim :-) |
| 16:54.00 | shad0w1e | i mean vim |
| 16:54.04 | shad0w1e | vi -> vim |
| 16:54.08 | itchi | shad0w1e: Set nocompatible then |
| 16:54.12 | shad0w1e | this is brand new etch install |
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| 16:54.37 | vulture | shad0w1e: Are you sure you're actually running vim? |
| 16:54.45 | abrotman | vulture: TBH .. i'd ask the maintainer |
| 16:54.49 | itchi | shad0w1e: You need a good vim config, see the vimtutor, on the end of it, it shows you how you can get that default config |
| 16:55.00 | shad0w1e | yes. vi -> vim |
| 16:55.03 | vulture | abrotman: *nods* might drop them an email |
| 16:55.05 | riot | ah, got it. xmlto |
| 16:55.09 | shad0w1e | just ran vi and saw it say Vi Improved |
| 16:55.17 | abrotman | vulture: or maybe ask the doxygen upstream ? |
| 16:55.21 | itchi | shad0w1e: If you not have a .vimrc, it's set to compatible mode, that mean that it use the vi options |
| 16:55.37 | itchi | Nah, i told it a bit weirdy :-p |
| 16:55.41 | vulture | abrotman: True |
| 16:55.51 | shad0w1e | ahh. i dont have this problem on my other distros, its weird |
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| 16:56.36 | vulture | I've been using the same .vimrc for a while - so I don't know what the defaults are |
| 16:56.41 | abrotman | shad0w1e: it's a symlink .. it's part of the alternatives system |
| 16:56.54 | ]pablo[ | quick poll: what file manager do you use? |
| 16:57.00 | vulture | shad0w1e: If you run it as "vim" do you get the same behaviour? Perhaps it's going compat based on the name.. |
| 16:57.12 | abrotman | ]pablo[: don't take polls |
| 16:57.14 | shad0w1e | i can try that... |
| 16:57.17 | shad0w1e | rox is interesting! |
| 16:57.23 | ]pablo[ | ok, quick curiosity then |
| 16:57.28 | shad0w1e | although I have this old one that looks like win98 explorer which is pretty sweet |
| 16:57.31 | shad0w1e | forget the name... |
| 16:57.32 | snowbird | sounds like x keyord of lang setting off\\ |
| 16:57.34 | abrotman | ]pablo[: ask a better question |
| 16:57.36 | ]pablo[ | XFE? |
| 16:57.42 | shad0w1e | XFE, yea |
| 16:57.48 | itchi | ]pablo[: thunar, mc |
| 16:57.56 | ]pablo[ | nod, thinking of trying that shad0w1e |
| 16:58.09 | shad0w1e | it looks crappy but pretty functional |
| 16:58.11 | ]pablo[ | kinda tired of nautilus :P |
| 16:58.23 | shad0w1e | hah hah. also try rox. some people really eat that one up |
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| 16:58.52 | shad0w1e | and then again, konq is great, but if you dont have KDE install, its going to install a gizillion packages -- not worth it |
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| 16:59.42 | shad0w1e | vulture, yes, when I run "vim" it works |
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| 16:59.46 | shad0w1e | how odd... |
| 16:59.50 | itchi | shad0w1e: vim without a good custom config is very hard to use. I may suggest you to read the free vim book and go on #vim. Vim is a tool it take ages to use it rigth. Cause it have all that power. But believe it, you may learn the basic fast and learn things step by step when your confronted with it |
| 17:00.03 | abrotman | shad0w1e: "vi" probably runs vim.tiny .. |
| 17:00.09 | shad0w1e | ahh |
| 17:00.18 | abrotman | update-alternatives --list vi |
| 17:00.32 | abrotman | you can of course change to point to vim |
| 17:00.33 | shad0w1e | abrotman, and right u are! |
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| 17:00.44 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:00.45 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:00.46 | itchi | vim is much more nicer |
| 17:01.18 | shad0w1e | is there any reason I'd want to be running vim.tiny? |
| 17:01.22 | abrotman | i believe if you run `update-alternatives --config vi` it will give oyu the option |
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| 17:01.30 | abrotman | vim.tiny loads less plugins perhaps ? |
| 17:01.33 | shad0w1e | or i can change the symlink.. |
| 17:02.01 | itchi | I always install vim.full, i'm a bigg guy :-) |
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| 17:02.36 | shad0w1e | lol. yeas on my suse box, vi pointed to vim. here it points to vim.tiny |
| 17:02.38 | shad0w1e | thank you! |
| 17:02.53 | itchi | nah, fat may much more appropriated :-p |
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| 17:04.23 | J_P | hi all |
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| 17:04.39 | selt | if I want to install debian from the net, can I sue the buisness card install cd? |
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| 17:04.48 | selt | *sue = use :) |
| 17:04.49 | abrotman | selt: you can |
| 17:04.52 | Zapaty | yes selt |
| 17:04.57 | J_P | people, are there some utils for pdf2doc ? here I have pdftohtml only |
| 17:04.59 | shad0w1e | selt, I did |
| 17:05.07 | abrotman | !find pdf2 etch |
| 17:05.14 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'pdf2' (6 of 11): (/usr/bin/pdf2dcm) in science/dcmtk ;; (/usr/bin/{pdf2dsc|pdf2ps}) in text/gs-common ;; (/usr/share/gs-esp/8.15/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in text/gs-esp ;; (/usr/share/gs-gpl/8.54/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in text/gs-gpl ;; (/var/spool/hylafax/bin/pdf2fax.gs) in comm/hylafax-server ;; (/usr/share/gs-afpl/8.53/lib/pdf2dsc.ps) in non-free/text/gs-afpl. |
| 17:05.19 | selt | what the big difference between the buisness card one and the bigger netinstaller one? |
| 17:05.24 | shad0w1e | just make sure you get dhcp on your Ethernet adapter and can get right online |
| 17:05.26 | abrotman | J_P: i think you have to do a few iterations |
| 17:05.35 | Zapaty | but actually an error occured at the base install : unable to install initramfs-tools |
| 17:05.46 | abrotman | selt: you must have network connectivity for the buscard .. netinst has enough for a base install on the CD |
| 17:05.50 | J_P | abrotman: how ? |
| 17:05.57 | J_P | ahh ok |
| 17:06.01 | selt | ok, thanks |
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| 17:06.04 | itchi | selt: It's meant to be put on a little CD |
| 17:06.11 | abrotman | J_P: you go from like pdf to html and then html to doc or something |
| 17:06.38 | selt | I'm actually installing debian on a virtual machine :) |
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| 17:07.12 | J_P | abrotman: I try that, but don't have html do docor ps to doc :-( |
| 17:07.26 | abrotman | huh ? |
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| 17:07.39 | abrotman | J_P: search around .. it's possible |
| 17:08.05 | J_P | ok |
| 17:09.00 | jerome | bonjour, I'm looking for some advice about how to enable my gateway to connect to a ftp+ssl server. I configured lftp the same way my client behind the NAT are and added some INPUT/OUTPUT ACCEPT iptables lines for 990/989 and 21/20. ftp works nicely but I can't make the ftps-data connection. Any hints ? |
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| 17:18.49 | shad0w1e | hey, thanks guys, i think im good! |
| 17:19.15 | abrotman | doubtful! :) |
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| 17:21.31 | cortinill | hi , this offer unlimited space for free , share all together in acuatoria.com ;), now games, porn , mp3 and others uploaded |
| 17:21.42 | abrotman | please don't spam us |
| 17:21.52 | cortinill | ok |
| 17:22.04 | cortinill | but that isnt sapm |
| 17:22.07 | cortinill | spam |
| 17:22.08 | abrotman | yes it is |
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| 17:22.16 | sohmestra | cortinill: it's offtopic, if nothing else. |
| 17:22.16 | cortinill | isnt |
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| 17:22.24 | abrotman | see .. spam! |
| 17:22.26 | abrotman | thanks staff |
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| 17:23.26 | garo | Does anybody know what i have to do make the "Last login:"-line (that you see when you login) dissappear ? |
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| 17:27.08 | abrotman | garo: would have thought /etc/login.defs .. but i don't see it |
| 17:27.54 | garo | nevermind : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/546 |
| 17:28.30 | abrotman | well .. i saw that .. but thought it was for the other stuff :) |
| 17:29.00 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, ? |
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| 17:36.32 | sarixe | how do i get archive-manager to support rar? |
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| 17:36.45 | sarixe | and where do i get 7zip? |
| 17:37.10 | dino4k | aptitude install rar (i guess) |
| 17:37.15 | rahul | sarixe: man apt-cache |
| 17:37.19 | abrotman | unrar-nonfree probablty |
| 17:37.23 | sarixe | kk |
| 17:37.27 | dino4k | sarixe: apt-cache search 7zip |
| 17:37.33 | Braindead | abrotman: there's a catch. it's unrar now. in non-free |
| 17:37.49 | Ronin | Braindead: which he said :) |
| 17:38.16 | abrotman | Braindead: didn't i say that ? |
| 17:38.29 | sarixe | no |
| 17:38.33 | Braindead | Ronin: the package itself isn't "unrar-nonfree" anymore. now there's "unrar" in non-free. and "unrar-free" in main |
| 17:38.36 | Ronin | <abrotman> unrar-nonfree probablty |
| 17:38.37 | sarixe | it's "unrar" in non-free repo |
| 17:38.41 | abrotman | oh .. that's just stupid |
| 17:38.52 | abrotman | it's still unrar-nonfree in etch i think |
| 17:38.53 | Ronin | wow and i thought i was anal retentive |
| 17:39.06 | Braindead | aaaaaaaaah ok |
| 17:39.08 | abrotman | Ronin: let the puck go! |
| 17:39.12 | Braindead | abrotman: mmmm guess not |
| 17:39.26 | abrotman | damn warez kids |
| 17:39.26 | sarixe | works now |
| 17:39.28 | sarixe | thanks |
| 17:39.33 | Braindead | abrotman: http://packages.debian.org/stable/utils/unrar |
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| 17:40.15 | infinity0 | google? :P |
| 17:40.19 | abrotman | oh .. unrar-free |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | how freaking stupid .. |
| 17:40.41 | Braindead | abrotman: it's to make warez kiddos feel less guilty about it |
| 17:40.56 | abrotman | Braindead: they're stealing |
| 17:41.19 | nuxis | I can't change the owned of my external hard drive is that normal I wanna me able to read and write as normal user but when I try chown nuxis:nuxis /media/usb I just get chown: cannot access `/dev/usbdev': No such file or directory |
| 17:41.24 | nuxis | the user now is root... |
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| 17:44.42 | thaylok | hi, anyone active? |
| 17:44.50 | abrotman | NO! |
| 17:44.53 | Ronin | nope, pretty damn lazy today |
| 17:45.04 | nuxis | someobeN |
| 17:45.07 | Braindead | I'm procrastinating at the moment |
| 17:45.31 | explody | I think I need more sleep |
| 17:45.36 | Braindead | .o/ may I have chocolate milk? |
| 17:45.46 | abrotman | explody: were you the one with the RDNS issue the other day? |
| 17:45.55 | explody | nope |
| 17:45.59 | abrotman | Ronin: gym ? |
| 17:46.02 | thaylok | anyone here ever tried to compile rtorrent/libtorrent? get som g++ related errors on configure |
| 17:46.15 | abrotman | aptitude install rtorrent |
| 17:46.21 | Braindead | rtorrent FTW |
| 17:46.34 | thaylok | abrotman: too old :) |
| 17:46.49 | Braindead | I want chocolate milk!!!!1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7153152098207965240 |
| 17:46.56 | Ronin | abrotman: ya that exercise crap |
| 17:47.04 | Braindead | thaylok: backport it? |
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| 17:47.33 | thaylok | Braindead: hm? |
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| 17:47.39 | Braindead | !backports |
| 17:47.39 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 17:48.04 | Braindead | or is the one in unstable not up to the duty? |
| 17:48.05 | abrotman | Ronin: my bike is strapped ot my car .. now i just have to remember to leave work at a decent time |
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| 17:48.31 | Braindead | the unstable rtorrent/libtorrent10 is in par with upstream. |
| 17:48.44 | Ronin | abrotman: leaving work at a decent time is somethign i dont have to worry about |
| 17:48.53 | coir | For some reason Openbox and my GDM login window have the display resolution set to 1440xXXXX, though in xorg.conf I have the max res set to 1440x900. |
| 17:49.24 | thaylok | Braindead: oh, I see what you mean.. but need cvs to do my stuff.. |
| 17:49.46 | abrotman | Ronin: you're gov't! |
| 17:49.47 | coir | Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 17:50.43 | Ronin | indeed |
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| 17:51.02 | abrotman | coir: which resoltuions are listed ? |
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| 17:52.08 | GNUtoo | hello, i am following http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook and it says that there is no package named refit... |
| 17:52.09 | coir | abrotman: 1440x900, 1280x1024, 1280x800, 1024x768, 800x600, 600x480 |
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| 17:53.29 | fastputty | someone use iptables analyzer logs? |
| 17:53.32 | coir | v_v |
| 17:53.35 | thaylok | anyone here ever gotten a "g++: command not found" when trying to compile something? |
| 17:53.56 | Braindead | thaylok: that sounds rather misterious |
| 17:54.02 | Braindead | guess what that means... |
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| 17:54.28 | mashuuk | Braindead, LoL |
| 17:54.38 | thaylok | im not missing g++ or gcc.. |
| 17:55.07 | mashuuk | thaylok, sure :) |
| 17:56.04 | thaylok | lol, I have checked.. |
| 17:56.24 | GNUtoo | how do i get the refit shell... |
| 17:56.26 | GNUtoo | ? |
| 17:56.42 | mashuuk | thaylok, check again |
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| 17:57.52 | thaylok | g++ 4.1 |
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| 17:58.23 | diafic | Pray tell: How do I exorcize evolution from my machine? |
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| 17:59.55 | coir | Does anyone have any idea at all? |
| 18:00.05 | dkr | diafic: aptitude install bible-kjv |
| 18:00.17 | diafic | hehe |
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| 18:01.32 | SamuraiDio | how do i configure default apps to open certains files? |
| 18:02.19 | rahul | eeeessss teeeeee oooooooooooooh en ee dee |
| 18:02.31 | rahul | SamuraiDio default apps for what to open what files? |
| 18:02.33 | dkr | diafic: it's required by gnome, so not really possible without modifying the dependencies and likely the maintainers have the dependency for a reason |
| 18:02.48 | rahul | SamuraiDio <app> <file>... you need to specify both |
| 18:03.04 | diafic | dkr, its a horrible, horrible email client |
| 18:03.17 | coir | does ANYONE here know ANYTHING about display resolutions? |
| 18:03.18 | dkr | diafic: it would be nice to not have seemingly extra crap running like evolution-data-server though, wouldn't it? |
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| 18:03.32 | dkr | diafic: I don't use it either. icedove++ :) |
| 18:04.11 | diafic | yeah, that too |
| 18:04.14 | diafic | coir, sup? |
| 18:04.19 | diafic | Whats wrong? |
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| 18:04.26 | cybertop | hi |
| 18:04.30 | coir | For some reason my GDM login window and all desktop environments default their resolution to something higher than 1440x900, and 1440x900 is the largest resolution I have listed in xorg.conf ; any idea why? |
| 18:04.31 | diafic | The latest one is really rather good at detecting issues |
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| 18:04.41 | diafic | Odd. |
| 18:04.52 | coir | So, I have "hidden" screen space. |
| 18:04.57 | SamuraiDio | rahul, i want to certains files (PHP Scripts, text files, images, etc) be opened by specifiq apps when cliqued in my file browser (actually i use three file browsers, Thunar, Konqueror, and Efm) |
| 18:04.57 | diafic | my method of configuring X: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:05.03 | coir | diafic: I did that. |
| 18:05.05 | diafic | that has never failed me |
| 18:05.17 | diafic | are you *sure* your monitor hits 1440x900? |
| 18:05.17 | coir | For some reason GDM actually detects a resolution larger than 1440x900 |
| 18:05.32 | diafic | what kind of monitor? |
| 18:05.36 | diafic | (model/make?) |
| 18:05.45 | coir | diafic: Yes, I can set it to 1440x900 and it works fine, but the login window defaults to a larger resolution. |
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| 18:06.12 | diafic | coir, wiiiierd |
| 18:06.19 | diafic | gdm? |
| 18:06.24 | coir | Yes. |
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| 18:06.44 | diafic | I reitterate |
| 18:06.47 | diafic | WIIIIIIERD |
| 18:07.00 | diafic | sorry, I can't help |
| 18:07.11 | coir | Is there something to reconfigure in GDM possibly? |
| 18:07.12 | diafic | not the slightest idea why you've got that SNAFU :| |
| 18:07.19 | diafic | GDM should be listening to CX. |
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| 18:07.20 | diafic | *X |
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| 18:09.57 | Sepeh2 | i'm trying to install debian on a external hard disk, but i'm wondering if the speed would be as good as a real hard disk considering all the data is coming through a USB port? have any of you ever tried such thing or seen it? |
| 18:09.58 | coir | How would I change my default dm to kdm? |
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| 18:10.18 | coolb_ | anyone have an account at Pinka? (http://pinka.bruceblacklaws.net) ? |
| 18:10.18 | coir | Sepeh2: It should work fine. |
| 18:10.25 | coir | How fast is the HDD? |
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| 18:10.44 | Xanthor|aw | coir : dpkg-reconfigure kdm ? |
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| 18:11.00 | Sepeh2 | i'm not really sure, it's a 80GB SATA2 HDD |
| 18:11.31 | diafic | coir, aptitude install xdm is a possibility |
| 18:11.41 | coir | What is good about xdm? :-P |
| 18:11.43 | zinx | Sepeh2: is it USB 2.0? |
| 18:11.47 | Sepeh2 | yeah |
| 18:11.49 | explody | Sepeh2: as coir said, it would work fine, but it will be noticably slower than SATA |
| 18:11.52 | diafic | coir, nothing |
| 18:11.53 | coir | I would hope to god it would be USB 2.0. |
| 18:11.55 | coir | o_o |
| 18:11.57 | diafic | its just a login manager. |
| 18:12.09 | zinx | Sepeh2: it will be marginally slower, unless you've got a junky USB 2.0 adapter in which case it'll be much slower |
| 18:12.25 | coir | I've heard of people running OS X from their iPods before. |
| 18:12.39 | explody | sure, doesn't mean the disk I/O is fast though |
| 18:12.42 | diafic | yeah, ipods can be used as rescue disks |
| 18:12.46 | versuchsanstalt | how can i find out, which package includes hwclock? the package is installed on the machine. |
| 18:13.03 | Xanthor|aw | versuchsanstalt with apt-file |
| 18:13.05 | explody | versuchsanstalt: dpkg -S /sbin/hwclock |
| 18:13.18 | versuchsanstalt | i forgot the -S option, thank you. |
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| 18:13.26 | versuchsanstalt | thank you too, Xanthor|aw |
| 18:13.29 | Sepeh2 | thank you all |
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| 18:14.04 | mashuuk | Why libssp0 is not in debian? |
| 18:14.07 | mashuuk | Any help ? |
| 18:14.37 | capiira | anyone know if there is a way to know if debian is planing to add compiz-fusion to unstable or so ? |
| 18:14.44 | simonrvn | !tell mashuuk -about search |
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| 18:16.10 | mashuuk | simonrvn, nothing |
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| 18:16.16 | explody | simonrvn: I'm not sure that would answer _why_ it's not available, though it would certainly show _if_ it was |
| 18:16.20 | mashuuk | simonrvn, while emdebian depends on it |
| 18:16.43 | diafic | !fglrx |
| 18:16.43 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 18:16.46 | explody | mashuuk: I found this, doesn't say much really: http://packages.qa.debian.org/libs/libssp/news/20070103T060703Z.html |
| 18:16.51 | diafic | !fglrx one-liner |
| 18:16.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 18:17.14 | explody | diafic: those command work in /msg too |
| 18:17.19 | explody | hint hint |
| 18:17.23 | diafic | meeeh |
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| 18:17.36 | cybertop | boys i have a problem with all applications of kde because not sound on gnome |
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| 18:17.43 | cybertop | what is it the problem |
| 18:17.44 | cybertop | ? |
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| 18:17.53 | explody | what? |
| 18:17.54 | coir | d'oh! |
| 18:18.00 | coir | The problem persists. |
| 18:18.01 | diafic | coir, hm? |
| 18:18.04 | diafic | D: |
| 18:18.17 | coir | for some reason |
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| 18:18.36 | coir | 1440x1024 is listed as an available screen resolution in KDE/GNOME |
| 18:18.41 | coir | But it's not anywhere in xorg.conf |
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| 18:20.41 | cybertop | help |
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| 18:22.28 | TrueDD | cybertop, you have sound with others wm ? |
| 18:22.43 | cybertop | wm? |
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| 18:22.50 | TrueDD | window manager |
| 18:23.47 | cybertop | amarok not sound but rhythomd sound |
| 18:24.02 | abrotman | coir: what does the X log say |
| 18:24.25 | cybertop | kaffeine not sound |
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| 18:25.18 | TrueDD | ok |
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| 18:25.35 | TrueDD | rhythomd is for midi apps, no ? |
| 18:25.47 | linuxtk10 | hi i am trying to remove the default debian kernel all of it and out of the dpkg list |
| 18:25.55 | linuxtk10 | how would i do this ? |
| 18:26.02 | cybertop | rhythomod play mp3 |
| 18:26.13 | TrueDD | oh, ok |
| 18:26.24 | thelostbutler | linuxtk10: apt-get remove linux-image-<version> |
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| 18:27.08 | linuxtk10 | thelostbutler: do i need to purge or no ? |
| 18:27.20 | TrueDD | linuxtk10: apt-get install linux-image-<new_version> |
| 18:27.20 | thelostbutler | linuxtk10: you can get the version from dpkg -l linux-image* |
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| 18:28.41 | linuxtk10 | what does it mean when un is next to it ? |
| 18:29.05 | thelostbutler | linuxtk10: it means that the package was uninstalled |
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| 18:29.47 | linuxtk10 | thelostbutler: how can i remove it out of that list for good ? |
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| 18:29.50 | mashuuk | When emdebian will be updated for unstable ? |
| 18:29.53 | mashuuk | any help ? |
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| 18:30.02 | linuxtk10 | what is embedium ? |
| 18:30.08 | linuxtk10 | jus curious |
| 18:30.09 | abrotman | debian for small devices |
| 18:30.12 | mashuuk | emdebian |
| 18:30.27 | linuxtk10 | i see |
| 18:30.31 | mashuuk | its outdated |
| 18:30.39 | mashuuk | I cant install gcc-4.1-powerpc |
| 18:30.58 | h3sp4wn | mashuuk: If you need a decent set off cross compilers - these are good - http://debian.speedblue.org/ |
| 18:31.08 | thelostbutler | linuxtk10: i dunno how to get it off the list for good. staying there it is of no harm as far as i know |
| 18:31.13 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, I'll check |
| 18:31.20 | h3sp4wn | (and speedblue@debian.org is a debian developer) |
| 18:31.26 | cybertop | help me pleace.... |
| 18:31.49 | linuxtk10 | thelostbutler: i know but im trying ot make a clean list :D |
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| 18:32.02 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, looks good |
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| 18:33.02 | abrotman | linuxtk10: just ignore it |
| 18:33.30 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, ok thx a lot :) |
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| 18:39.36 | \amethyst | linuxtk10: If a package is listed as "un", that means dpkg doesn't know about it, but it is listed in a dependency somewhere |
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| 18:40.00 | abrotman | i thought it meant it was listed in the status file ? |
| 18:40.17 | diafic | Where do I get autoreconf? |
| 18:40.18 | juso | Anyone know how I list the content of a tar file? tar -t file.tar.gz doesn't seem to work. Any idea? |
| 18:40.20 | bulio| | I installed cupsys on my debian server, but how can I configure my printer on a headless debian install? |
| 18:40.29 | bulio| | I also want to have the cups server running |
| 18:40.29 | diafic | I was following this http://www.opsat.net/user/bob/compiz-fusion-without-ubuntu#hi-there.-1 |
| 18:40.41 | \amethyst | abrotman: that might be possible too, but on my system it seems most of the "un" packages don't exist in the status file |
| 18:40.59 | diafic | bulio|, cups has a webterface |
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| 18:42.02 | bulio| | diafic: how do I access it? |
| 18:42.09 | bulio| | localhost:631 isnt working |
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| 18:42.49 | diafic | yourserver'sip:631... |
| 18:42.58 | diafic | you can't do localhost when its not the same machine :P |
| 18:43.02 | bulio| | I know |
| 18:43.07 | bulio| | I did 10.1.1.3:631 |
| 18:43.09 | bulio| | cant be found |
| 18:43.14 | diafic | hmm |
| 18:43.16 | diafic | ssh to it |
| 18:43.23 | diafic | nmap localhost -p600-700 |
| 18:43.35 | diafic | that'll show what ports are running what in the range 600-700 |
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| 18:43.47 | diafic | if its only running to 127.0.0.1, that'll tell you |
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| 18:44.48 | bulio| | port 631 open |
| 18:45.14 | diafic | !xgl |
| 18:45.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 18:45.20 | linuxtk10 | \amethyst: ah thanks |
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| 18:45.31 | diafic | bulio|, that means the server is only running to itself |
| 18:45.41 | diafic | look about in the conf's to set it to allow external fiddling |
| 18:45.46 | bulio| | ok |
| 18:45.50 | bulio| | where would they be? |
| 18:45.55 | diafic | Not a facking clue :P |
| 18:46.02 | diafic | somewhere /etc most likely |
| 18:46.15 | diafic | !xgl-howto |
| 18:46.16 | dpkg | i guess xgl-howto is xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
| 18:46.17 | \amethyst | bulio|: man cupsd.conf |
| 18:47.23 | diafic | that URL is broken |
| 18:47.36 | diafic | !xgl one-liner |
| 18:47.39 | diafic | D: |
| 18:49.33 | satan_ | s/(.*)\d+/$1|xx|/; #returns "blah9blah999|xx|". How would you get blah9blah|xx|? In other words, how would you match the last numbers of a string? |
| 18:49.34 | bulio| | now I'm getting 403 forbidden |
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| 18:50.05 | satan_ | $_ = "blah9blah9999"; |
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| 18:50.43 | \amethyst | bulio|: can you put your cupsd.conf in a pastebin? |
| 18:51.13 | diafic | kryten.alternet.us/~paste |
| 18:51.16 | diafic | thats a simple one |
| 18:51.40 | \amethyst | satan_: s/(.*)(\d+)$/$1|$2|/ |
| 18:51.56 | diafic | \amethyst, on a noisy line there? |
| 18:52.01 | diafic | :P |
| 18:52.19 | bulio| | \amethyst: http//rafb.net/p/P7BvFM83.html |
| 18:52.25 | bulio| | whoops |
| 18:52.34 | bulio| | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.44 | jmalicki | satan: your problem is that the .* is greedy |
| 18:53.02 | satan_ | I know about that greedy stuff I tried .*? many places. |
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| 18:53.05 | diafic | anyone know where I can get a live CD of something like a web appliance sort of thing? You know, like, just a browser that steals X all to itself. |
| 18:53.09 | jmalicki | satan: you want [^0-9]*\d+ |
| 18:53.18 | diafic | I need to fix up a thin client |
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| 18:53.48 | explody | diafic: there are a ton on the vmware site, if you care to extract one and/or use vmware |
| 18:53.54 | cheeseboy | can anyone see from this(http://pastebin.ca/674301) or think of any reason why im getting connection reset by peer on my xbox(192.168.2.103) when i try to watch tv-links videos? videos work fine on this pc and i do get internet on my xbox. |
| 18:53.59 | diafic | I can do vmware |
| 18:54.07 | diafic | linky? |
| 18:54.23 | \amethyst | satan_: jmalicki is right, you need something to keep the .* from matching all but the last digit |
| 18:54.25 | explody | http://www.vmware.com/appliances/ |
| 18:54.45 | explody | a few are commercial, but the majority are just free ones people put together |
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| 18:54.55 | explody | debian/ubuntu/gentoo/whatever |
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| 18:55.29 | jmalicki | explody: it would be nice if they were signed by their organizations |
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| 18:55.51 | \amethyst | satan_: s/(.*)(?<!\d)(\d+)/$1 |$2|/ |
| 18:56.01 | \amethyst | err, without that space |
| 18:56.12 | jmalicki | woah |
| 18:56.14 | \amethyst | man, Q-Bert is pissed |
| 18:56.15 | explody | jmalicki: well, they're mostly just utilities done by users, though I totally agree an official appliance would be cool |
| 18:56.39 | jmalicki | explody: at some stage it is sort of a trust thing, like i could throw up a new ubuntu as a virus delivery vehicle quite easily |
| 18:56.47 | explody | yup |
| 18:56.55 | satan_ | <\amethyst>I don't know how you did it yet, but that seems to work. |
| 18:57.07 | satan_ | <\amethyst>If it works then thanks. n_n |
| 18:57.12 | explody | plus it requires vmware, which is pretty un-debian |
| 18:57.28 | \amethyst | satan_: (.*) means any string, capture as $1. (\d+) is a sequence of one or more numbers, capture as $2 |
| 18:57.34 | explody | though you can technically convert a vmware appliance to qemu or xen really easily |
| 18:57.58 | \amethyst | satan_: the tricky part is (?<!\d), which means "only match if the last character was *NOT* a \d" |
| 18:58.06 | satan_ | \amethyst: Yep I know. What's this ?<! thing? is it similar to ?:? |
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| 18:58.24 | jmalicki | \amethyst: that syntax screams perl users, i hate it :) |
| 18:58.27 | satan_ | Is there a name for it I can search in man perlre? |
| 18:58.27 | enigmaa | how can i install aclocal ? |
| 18:58.30 | \amethyst | It's a "zero-width negative look-behind assertion". Look in man perlre |
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| 18:58.38 | explody | I've been building an ubuntu-based appliance for a product we're developing. I must say, it's a really nice way to hand out demos of software, particularly if the software is complicated to set up or use |
| 18:58.46 | shad0w1e | hey, i tried moving the entries in /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow to the new machine. now when the user logs in, they get a "I have no name!@debian" prompt. What did I miss? thanks |
| 18:58.47 | jmalicki | \amethyst: why don't people just use ([^0-9]*)\d+? |
| 18:59.04 | \amethyst | jmalicki: because that' won't match a2ps33 :) |
| 18:59.14 | \amethyst | or rather, it won't make it a2ps|33| |
| 18:59.14 | jmalicki | \amethyst: point ;) |
| 18:59.32 | explody | since it's all preconfigured, it dramatically lowers the entry point for potential users |
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| 18:59.36 | wykis | hello, I've installed NTP and want to use Europe/London. But when I type 'date', it shows the UTC. And in X, the timezone looks like UTC. What can I do to use BST (Europe/London) system-wide? I used tzselect but it didn't make any effect. |
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| 18:59.49 | \amethyst | jmalicki: /(.*\D)(\d+)/ might be better than the ?<! thing actually |
| 18:59.55 | UncleD | Any mail server admins recognize this the MTA that makes logs like this??? --> M52478/localhost:5050/mx78.charlesbright.com;O1;i280;o3051;E0;T1188363150;72.242.174.58;bkreuzkamp@hudsonlawoffices.com;250 2.6.0 <1-52478-7DJxLwqJHABI9wKiUh3HFUQQXmLiomUA@mx78.charlesbright.com> Queued mail for delivery |
| 18:59.55 | enigmaa | nvm |
| 18:59.58 | abrotman | !setthetime |
| 19:00.01 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 19:00.02 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 19:00.03 | shad0w1e | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.08 | \amethyst | jmalicki: since it won't match a raw number |
| 19:00.09 | wykis | thanks |
| 19:00.13 | diafic | explody, do you know if I can find a live CD that is basicly a browser? |
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| 19:00.16 | nisc | prolly not the right channel, but does anyone know how I can set the default wlan interface for NetworkManager? |
| 19:00.19 | abrotman | UncleD: telnet ip 25 .. what answers ? |
| 19:00.20 | diafic | Nothing else, just a fullscreen browser? |
| 19:00.30 | shad0w1e | will sid always be unstable? |
| 19:00.35 | \amethyst | shad0w1e: yes |
| 19:00.36 | diafic | shad0w1e, yep |
| 19:00.43 | explody | diafic: I'm not aware of one, but you should be able to build one super-easy |
| 19:00.46 | shad0w1e | hah, because in the movie he's unstable? |
| 19:00.46 | \amethyst | shad0w1e: sid is unstable by definition |
| 19:00.48 | shad0w1e | thats funny |
| 19:00.50 | UncleD | abrotman: Reading someones log files. |
| 19:00.53 | diafic | explody, please tell me how d: |
| 19:00.54 | diafic | :P |
| 19:00.54 | UncleD | abrotman: not my machine. |
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| 19:01.01 | explody | the only big repository of things like that I know of the that vmware site |
| 19:01.08 | shad0w1e | yeah sid always blows up toys lol |
| 19:01.09 | explody | one sec, there is a debian livecd project |
| 19:01.10 | abrotman | UncleD: postfix and exim both look somewhat similar |
| 19:01.11 | diafic | I tried looking there :| |
| 19:01.15 | Braindead | diafic: live cd kiosk on google, perhaps ... |
| 19:01.20 | explody | http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 19:01.22 | abrotman | well .. parts of it anyways |
| 19:01.30 | diafic | I could make the live CD, but how do you make a browser eat X? |
| 19:01.31 | abrotman | UncleD: ask them to do it |
| 19:01.31 | Braindead | perhaps as in STFW of course |
| 19:01.58 | explody | diafic: I'd go searching after "kiosk" like BD said |
| 19:02.02 | diafic | OK |
| 19:02.15 | Braindead | yep, the keyword in this case is "kiosk mode" |
| 19:02.19 | diafic | oooh, found it |
| 19:02.26 | diafic | LinuxKiosk |
| 19:02.26 | Braindead | \o/ yay |
| 19:02.29 | wykis | dpkg-reconfigure tz-data did it for me!! |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | Braindead: you're so smart .. may i bear your children ? |
| 19:02.35 | abrotman | s/bear/beer/ |
| 19:02.39 | wykis | (re: updating the timezone), abrotman |
| 19:02.42 | explody | powell's here in portland uses some linux for all it's terminals in the store |
| 19:02.46 | diafic | Now, to work out how to hide any way to go to a URL and hard-code it to hit up one server |
| 19:03.10 | explody | (powell's is the largest independant bookstore in the US, and I mean HUGE, make B&N look like a newspaper stand) |
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| 19:03.17 | Braindead | abrotman: artificial insemination only. no involvement in the donation either |
| 19:03.21 | explody | independent* |
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| 19:03.43 | wykis | thanks all, bye |
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| 19:03.51 | explody | diafic: local web proxy on the livecd? |
| 19:04.04 | diafic | Hmm, thats a good idea. |
| 19:04.24 | diafic | how'd I stop them fiddling firefox into using another way of getting to the net |
| 19:04.28 | diafic | I could easilly lock squid down |
| 19:04.52 | Braindead | ahem...a cost /etc/hosts file? |
| 19:04.55 | Braindead | a CUSTOM |
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| 19:05.03 | diafic | yeah, I was thinking that |
| 19:05.20 | diafic | would "a.b.c.d *" be valid? |
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| 19:07.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | !enter |
| 19:07.46 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 19:09.10 | dkr | Don't recommend ellipses. Those are for omitting stuff, not separating thoughts. :) |
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| 19:09.29 | abrotman | dkr: are you sure .. ? |
| 19:09.37 | dkr | heh |
| 19:10.05 | abrotman | don't look at me .. i use two not three periods .. |
| 19:10.38 | dkr | what do you call them? elipses? ;) |
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| 19:11.11 | garo | Is there a module for iptables so that i can block certain ports for certain users ? |
| 19:11.12 | abrotman | dkr: abroturds |
| 19:11.19 | dkr | lol |
| 19:11.45 | abrotman | garo: for certain users ? |
| 19:11.56 | bulio| | anyone have any idea why this cupsd.conf would deny me access from seeing the web interface of cups from another machine inside the LAN? |
| 19:11.58 | bulio| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:12.13 | \amethyst | dkr: they're also used to indicate pauses in speech |
| 19:12.14 | dkr | garo: yes, but i tonly works in output chain (i.e. locally generated packets) |
| 19:12.18 | \amethyst | dkr: ellipses that is |
| 19:12.27 | abrotman | \amethyst: and abroturds ? |
| 19:12.32 | dkr | \amethyst: only by people misusing them |
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| 19:12.44 | abrotman | dkr: technically .. he's right :) |
| 19:12.48 | explody | bulio|: probably because the <Policy> section denies everything by default |
| 19:12.51 | \amethyst | dkr: What do you recommend for representing pauses in transcriptions of speech? |
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| 19:13.12 | gargantua | Hi |
| 19:13.12 | bulio| | explody: how do I enable lan connections? |
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| 19:13.26 | explody | bulio|: and the <Location> sections above that are only Allow-ing localhost |
| 19:13.30 | garo | dkr: yeah, i can understand that chains like forward don't work ;) |
| 19:13.31 | gargantua | I am using etch, what will I benift from upgrading to unstable\testing? |
| 19:13.38 | garo | but INPUT should work... |
| 19:13.45 | dkr | \amethyst: dpkg gave a whole list. ;) |
| 19:13.49 | yos872 | how can I see list of user account on the system? |
| 19:13.55 | bulio| | explody: how do I enable lan connections? |
| 19:13.59 | thelostbutler | gargantua: possibly broken stuff and bleeding edge software |
| 19:13.59 | garo | oh wait |
| 19:14.04 | explody | bulio|: you need to read the cupsd.conf manpage |
| 19:14.04 | garo | no, input can't work |
| 19:14.17 | garo | and what's the name of that module ? |
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| 19:14.29 | dkr | garo: right, it's have to accept it to deliver it to user level process before it knew what proc it was goign to, heh |
| 19:14.31 | dkr | owner |
| 19:14.46 | garo | thanks |
| 19:14.50 | gargantua | meh I'll stick with my etch :D |
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| 19:15.15 | thelostbutler | gargantua: unless you have a need for dire needs of some software versions that are there in those versions you shouldn't really move to it. on the other hand using it will help you to test stuff and file bug reports so it will be good for debian ;) |
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| 19:15.44 | explody | bulio|: there is more information on http://www.cups.org/ than I could ever tell you |
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| 19:16.22 | dkr | which is an Apple product now. blech |
| 19:16.54 | exobyte | I think dpkg knows the answer to this. When I get this error "Error: Unable to initialize gtk, is DISPLAY set properly?" and I did ssh -X and x11 port forwarding is enabled on the other end, is that a problem on the remote host (the one I sshed into) or the local host (x server)? |
| 19:17.10 | abrotman | !magic cookie |
| 19:17.13 | abrotman | !mit magic cookie |
| 19:17.13 | dpkg | hmm... mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 19:17.42 | Braindead | may I have a magic cookie with my milk ? |
| 19:18.11 | biatche | what does configure $argument do in scripting? |
| 19:18.23 | exobyte | abrotman: except this is as a normal used |
| 19:18.34 | exobyte | *user |
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| 19:19.58 | exobyte | biatche: probably runs the configure command with the parameter $argument |
| 19:20.09 | \amethyst | biatche: what language? |
| 19:20.15 | exobyte | biatche: if that line is in a bash script, anyway |
| 19:20.28 | biatche | bash |
| 19:20.46 | \amethyst | biatche: let me guess, that line is not working? |
| 19:20.59 | biatche | actually i havent tested it. |
| 19:21.00 | exobyte | biatche: it should probable be ./configure |
| 19:21.02 | \amethyst | biatche: it searches for configure in $PATH, which usually does not (and should not) contain . |
| 19:21.08 | \amethyst | biatche: so what exobyte said |
| 19:21.10 | biatche | im modifying a script to my liking. |
| 19:21.30 | biatche | i see... |
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| 19:21.48 | biatche | FAIRNAT_CONFIG="/etc/ppp/fairnat.config" |
| 19:21.50 | biatche | oops |
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| 19:22.28 | biatche | if [ "$CONFIG_CALLED" == "0" ]; \ then \ configure $FAIRNAT_CONFIG |
| 19:22.33 | lockin | why |
| 19:22.52 | biatche | in other words..... configure /etc/ppp/fairnat.config ? plain text file |
| 19:22.57 | lockin | why |
| 19:23.24 | exobyte | biatche: == works in bash? (I'm rusty) |
| 19:23.28 | lockin | why |
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| 19:24.01 | biatche | i got no idea, i had myself asking... before i even complete this part... i thought i should ask first.. |
| 19:24.10 | lockin | why |
| 19:25.17 | Q3Man | I'm trying to put together a script to install a package non-interactively on a remote system (no, I can't just ssh into it - I want to do it on a bunch of systems). No matter what I try, apt shows a warning on the console that I have to acknowledge (about moving paths, which I take care of already.) My command line is: apt-get install libphp-adodb -y -qq --force-yes |
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| 19:25.26 | Q3Man | can I be any more forceful in not requiring interactivity? |
| 19:25.32 | lockin | why |
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| 19:26.21 | exobyte | biatche: new to shell scripting? |
| 19:26.31 | biatche | more or less yes |
| 19:26.36 | lockin | why |
| 19:26.50 | biatche | this fella mocking me.. |
| 19:26.50 | jmalicki | biatche: == is a string equal |
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| 19:27.05 | lockin | poor biatche |
| 19:27.17 | biatche | yeah thanks, i figured that.. heh |
| 19:27.22 | lockin | why |
| 19:27.23 | dkr | you use the name biatche and are concerned about being mocked? ;) |
| 19:27.25 | exobyte | biatche: try http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 19:27.49 | Quintin | Hi, whenever you have windows that stick to each other, or stick to the edge of the screen, what is this behavior called? |
| 19:27.59 | Quintin | edge sticking or edge attraction or such? |
| 19:28.01 | biatche | well whatever.... i don't see the big deal in my name, this name is almost 10 years old |
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| 19:28.07 | dserban | !confuse dserban |
| 19:28.07 | dpkg | Yes, what is your snake tomorrow, dserban? lederhosen of the republic of belarus with extra herring |
| 19:28.28 | lockin | why |
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| 19:29.31 | exobyte | Quintin: winamp calls it docking |
| 19:29.31 | Quintin | !ops lockin do /lastlog why |
| 19:29.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: quintin complains about: lockin do /lastlog why |
| 19:29.43 | lockin | poor dpkg |
| 19:29.53 | \amethyst | Q3Man: maybe DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive to keep debconf from prompting |
| 19:29.58 | lockin | dpkg is boring |
| 19:30.00 | dserban | !confuse lockin |
| 19:30.00 | dpkg | No, them was your mushroom tomorrow, lockin? shirts of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra herring |
| 19:30.04 | lockin | amethyst is a stone |
| 19:30.06 | Quintin | exobyte, I need to file a bug report for opera. For some reason, it decides to stick to the edges of screen, when it should leave this up to the currently running window manager! |
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| 19:30.08 | lockin | not a human being |
| 19:30.20 | lockin | you spell quintin with e |
| 19:30.29 | lockin | you write quentin |
| 19:30.41 | lockin | quentin can't even spell his own name :-) |
| 19:30.56 | Quintin | The latin spelling is Quintin. It means 'the fifth son'. And there is no 'proper' way to spell names, really. |
| 19:31.16 | \amethyst | lockin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Quintin |
| 19:31.19 | lockin | you're wrong |
| 19:31.33 | lockin | do you admit you're wrong? |
| 19:31.48 | \amethyst | wait, why am I feeding trolls? |
| 19:31.53 | \amethyst | I'm supposed to be a stone |
| 19:32.01 | kenjy | how can I know if a binary its a x86 build, amd64 or another arch? |
| 19:32.14 | Quintin | kenjy, /usr/bin/file ?? |
| 19:32.28 | lockin | poor quintin |
| 19:32.31 | wintix | !ops lockin is trolling |
| 19:32.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wintix complains about: lockin is trolling |
| 19:32.35 | lockin | he can't even spell his own name |
| 19:32.39 | kenjy | oks |
| 19:32.49 | Quintin | kenjy, qmr@aperio:~$ file /usr/bin/file |
| 19:32.49 | Quintin | /usr/bin/file: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 19:32.51 | lockin | do you admit you're wrong, quentin? |
| 19:32.57 | kenjy | tnks Quintin |
| 19:33.00 | lockin | do you admit you're wrong |
| 19:33.07 | adv4cate | wth? |
| 19:33.12 | simonrvn | lockin: do you admit to being a troll? |
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| 19:33.25 | lockin | quentin can't even spell his own name |
| 19:33.29 | adv4cate | "do you admit you're wrong"? who the heck cares how someone spells their nickname? |
| 19:33.37 | lockin | I do |
| 19:33.45 | adv4cate | totally OT |
| 19:33.48 | dserban | !kick lockin |
| 19:33.54 | simonrvn | lockin: you can't spell "locking" |
| 19:33.55 | dserban | shaddap |
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| 19:34.10 | simonrvn | i'm done now. *plonk* |
| 19:34.23 | exobyte | Quintin: isn't filius latin for son? |
| 19:34.25 | lockin | quentin can't even spell his own name |
| 19:34.41 | lockin | he has to go back to school |
| 19:34.45 | exobyte | (sad news of the day, I knew that from memory) |
| 19:34.52 | lockin | maybe he was a bit inattentive |
| 19:35.00 | dserban | Neither can Ian, he spelled Debbie as Debian... what an idiot... now stfu! |
| 19:35.02 | cheeseboy | can someone help me with iptables? |
| 19:35.05 | lockin | so he has to learn spelling |
| 19:35.27 | Quintin | exobyte, yes, filius is latin for son. dunno how that's appropriate. :p |
| 19:35.27 | wintix | !tell cheeseboy about ask |
| 19:35.32 | lockin | cheeseboy: are you eating cheese? |
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| 19:35.45 | cheeseboy | lockin: no im all out |
| 19:35.47 | lockin | why not? |
| 19:35.51 | simonrvn | dserban: dude, take it easy. it's called turning the tables ;) |
| 19:35.54 | Quintin | !ops lockin ban4lifeplz |
| 19:35.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: quintin complains about: lockin ban4lifeplz |
| 19:35.56 | dserban | ;) |
| 19:35.57 | dserban | heh |
| 19:36.10 | lockin | why do you call yourself cheeseboy when you don't eat cheese |
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| 19:36.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@217-162-109-46.dclient.hispeed.ch] by LoRez |
| 19:36.35 | simonrvn | dserban: guideline number 1 when dealing with people like this: keep your sense of humour |
| 19:36.35 | explody | LoRez: thank you |
| 19:36.45 | Quintin | yay. |
| 19:36.52 | explody | guideline #2: if that doesn't work, /ignore |
| 19:37.00 | simonrvn | LoRez: thanks dude. and hello |
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| 19:37.26 | dserban | LoRez: Danke |
| 19:37.28 | solar_sea | Quintin, does dpkg remember the hosts for those banned ppl? I think that I saw an acquaintance in there, lol |
| 19:37.35 | enigmaa | how do i extract this file: |
| 19:37.36 | enigmaa | gtk-gnutella-snapshot.tar.bz2 |
| 19:37.41 | exobyte | Quintin: I'm just not sure how you get fifth son out for quintin. the 5 I get (ordinals), but uhh |
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| 19:37.58 | snowbird | simonrvn, hey |
| 19:38.05 | simonrvn | hi snowbird |
| 19:38.05 | exobyte | Quintin: I get how lucifer means light bringer; that's easy |
| 19:38.08 | dserban | simonrvn: yeah I should know better, though I've been eating waaaay to many espresso beans today... Can I use that as an excuse? |
| 19:38.15 | Quintin | exobyte, "Know what you get when you cross an elephant and a rhino?" |
| 19:38.18 | snowbird | just hooking up printer |
| 19:38.28 | simonrvn | dserban: hehe, those choco covered ones? :) |
| 19:38.28 | Quintin | exobyte, "I don't have a damn clue." |
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| 19:38.59 | dserban | simonrvn: yep, I'm on bag #2 :( Everything's gently buzzing around me |
| 19:39.04 | snowbird | Quintin, a babby if they breed |
| 19:39.40 | bulio| | how do I set a cups username and password? |
| 19:39.48 | bulio| | it keeps asking me to enter one to add a printer |
| 19:39.54 | simonrvn | dserban: careful dude. that's a *lot* of caffeine |
| 19:39.59 | dserban | bulio|: it's usually root's account |
| 19:40.10 | bulio| | ok |
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| 19:40.23 | dserban | simonrvn: Yeah, I've been washing them down with coffee ..... bzzzzzzzzzz |
| 19:40.29 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 19:40.35 | snowbird | caffeine hm i drink 12 cokes a day buzz |
| 19:40.39 | exalted | Hi. Any unstable channel to ask or is it all the same here? |
| 19:40.44 | snowbird | and three potts coffee |
| 19:40.52 | dserban | exalted: here's good |
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| 19:41.14 | dserban | I've been pushing my Staples "That was Easy" button over and over and over again... |
| 19:41.15 | Quintin | ARe you talking about chocolate covered espresso beans? I had some of those in a client's office recently. interesting stuff |
| 19:41.27 | dserban | It's keeping me entertained, and coding... |
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| 19:41.31 | Caelum | how do I tell sendmail to flush its queue? |
| 19:42.35 | exalted | Trying to upgrade (only main repos) right now, and package libhesiod0 says: "Hesiod looks up keys using the standard Domain Name System. Enter the right-hand side of the domain name to do searches in. This name should begin with a "."." What's that supposed to mean, any idea? |
| 19:42.37 | Caelum | sendmail -q seems to be it, doesn't seem to do anything though...oh well |
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| 19:44.50 | blinker | hey folks, i need some help recovering data from a corrupt folder if at all possible. I know that entails using fsck but I havent had to use it so far and i've heard a good amount of stigma regarding its use. |
| 19:45.29 | dserban | exalted: what's your domain? |
| 19:45.33 | blinker | s/folder/directory/ <_< >_> |
| 19:45.44 | exalted | dserban, I have no idea what's that all about =S |
| 19:45.50 | dserban | just hit enter |
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| 19:45.54 | anto__ | hi all |
| 19:45.58 | blinker | hi anto__ |
| 19:45.59 | anto__ | anyone familiar with modules-update? |
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| 19:46.05 | blinker | nup |
| 19:46.08 | anto__ | blinker: hi |
| 19:46.11 | anto__ | oh ok :( |
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| 19:46.23 | dserban | blinker: run fsck |
| 19:46.37 | dserban | it'll recover what it finds to the lost+found directory in / |
| 19:46.41 | Mr_Clean | People, I am here to report about my problem with icedove, that I have posted earlier. The inbox was empty, removing the *.msf didn't help, but the Inbox file was still full of messages and visible using mutt -R -f . I found the cause. The user had shift+deleted the files, and tried to blame the new system. We had recently replaced windows 2000 by diskless station booting Debian by pxe. She would had made my job lot easier if she were honest. Lusers ar |
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| 19:46.48 | sebdah | Hi! How may I send packages to a certain MAC-address (that is part of a external wireless network). Is it even possible? |
| 19:46.54 | dserban | then feel free to browse the files, use the file command to see what it is/was |
| 19:46.59 | Mr_Clean | By the way thanks for your help, specialy to cast |
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| 19:47.17 | anto__ | i run modules-update but errors out saying /etc/modprobe.devfs has not been automatically generated |
| 19:47.20 | anto__ | how can i fix this? |
| 19:48.23 | dserban | blinker: actually, just run this command "touch /forcefsck" and upon reboot it'll force it to check your fs's. I don't know what else to tell you regarding fsck. |
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| 19:49.43 | blinker | dserban: thx, I'll give it a whirl. |
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| 19:50.06 | yigal | I am trying to use texdoc(tk) to find documentation for latex on mathematics. I can use locate to find the files I want but the PATH for the documentation is wrong and thus texdoc fails to find the documentation that is installed. What variable do I need to set/change to make texdoc find my documentation? |
| 19:50.23 | fastputty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:52.45 | exalted | dserban, and other; if interested with answer-like to my previous question, go visit: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321530 |
| 19:52.59 | exalted | dserban, tx anyway |
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| 19:56.33 | Q3Man | \amethyst, thanks for the debian_frontend suggestion, however that does not work either :( |
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| 19:57.33 | fastputty | hi guys, my iptables do not log anymore in the /var/log/iptables.log.. someone could help me to fix it |
| 19:57.51 | shad0w1e | how do you know that someone can? |
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| 19:58.17 | UncleD | is there an easy way to see what the tim eequivalent to this is: 88363948 |
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| 19:59.01 | dkr | UncleD: what is it? a number of seconds and you want days, hours, minutes? |
| 19:59.06 | UncleD | ya |
| 19:59.08 | UncleD | dkr ya |
| 19:59.56 | abrotman | man date |
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| 20:03.30 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 20:03.30 | dpkg | from memory, qotd142 is <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
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| 20:04.12 | silithlas | does the indexed search allow to search in tt_news as well? |
| 20:04.31 | elias | greycat must be a nice person |
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| 20:05.31 | enigmaa | how can i see what version of debian am i using? |
| 20:05.43 | explody | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:05.54 | diafic | how do you start in single user mode? |
| 20:05.55 | explody | but "just knowing" makes more sense |
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| 20:06.19 | explody | diafic: add "single" to the kernel option line at boot time, or in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:06.23 | enigmaa | 4.0 |
| 20:06.23 | dkr | diafic: add "single" to kernel boot arguments |
| 20:06.25 | elias | is there some known problem with gnome-vfs in sid? i get crashes whenever i an application displays the file selector, since updating before |
| 20:06.27 | enigmaa | that's what? woody? |
| 20:06.36 | explody | enigmaa: etch |
| 20:07.00 | enigmaa | i want to add more sites to my apt-get |
| 20:07.06 | enigmaa | to expand the package search |
| 20:07.10 | abrotman | why? |
| 20:07.10 | enigmaa | which file should i edit? |
| 20:07.11 | explody | enigmaa: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:07.20 | abrotman | enigmaa: you're going to screw up your box again |
| 20:07.28 | explody | again? |
| 20:07.31 | enigmaa | what do you mean, again? |
| 20:07.31 | bulio| | how do I change the documentroot of apache in debian? |
| 20:07.50 | abrotman | bulio|: /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 20:07.51 | Quintin | bulio|, look at the configuration files in /etc/apache(|2) |
| 20:08.23 | bulio| | which one is it? :P |
| 20:08.33 | diafic | dkr, how? |
| 20:08.43 | explody | bulio|: depends on which apache you have installed |
| 20:09.00 | bulio| | 2 |
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| 20:09.13 | explody | bulio|: /etc/apache == apache 1.3.x /etc/apache2 == apache 2.x |
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| 20:10.01 | dkr | diafic: actually. the default grub menu in debian should include an entry for single. yuo likely just need to hit yur downa rrow to choose that line from the grub menu when you boot up |
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| 20:10.30 | stiv2k | is there by any chance a command line / curses program that can read .doc files? |
| 20:10.39 | dkr | stiv2k: strings :) |
| 20:10.45 | stiv2k | dkr: strings? |
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| 20:11.08 | explody | that was a joke |
| 20:11.13 | dkr | when you ask for a command and you don't know the one you are given, your next step should probably be "man command" :) |
| 20:11.15 | fastputty | hi, my iptables do not log anymore in the /var/log/iptables.log someone could help me |
| 20:11.19 | dkr | explody: not entirely |
| 20:11.29 | UncleD | dkr: does this look like a time/date code: T1188363150 |
| 20:11.29 | explody | dkr: well I thought it was funny ;) |
| 20:11.30 | diafic | No, I don't have grub |
| 20:11.37 | stiv2k | dkr: yeah i know... just 'strings' sounds like an unusual name for a program |
| 20:11.41 | diafic | This isn't debian, its just I'm asking here |
| 20:11.51 | explody | diafic: you're using lilo? |
| 20:12.05 | diafic | I just have "boot:" |
| 20:12.14 | dkr | UncleD: ah, that's much easier, that is a unix epoch: perl -wle'print scalar localtime 1188363150' |
| 20:12.14 | dkr | Wed Aug 29 00:52:30 2007 |
| 20:12.18 | diafic | Its BoothBox |
| 20:12.29 | explody | CD? |
| 20:12.36 | stiv2k | dkr: do i just do strings somefile.doc |
| 20:12.42 | diafic | yeah |
| 20:12.44 | explody | at boot:, try "linux single" |
| 20:12.46 | diafic | I need single user mode so I can install it to disk |
| 20:12.56 | diafic | Could not find image "linux" |
| 20:13.00 | \amethyst | UncleD: easier way to translate from the command line: date -d '@1188363150' |
| 20:13.11 | dkr | diafic: hit your tab key, should lsit available images |
| 20:13.25 | explody | diafic: find out what it's default image name is (it will say "loading <something>" right after boot) |
| 20:13.37 | diafic | dkr, nope |
| 20:13.45 | enigmaa | ok, so when i go apt-get install gtk-gnutella it doesnt show up |
| 20:13.48 | explody | dkr: isolinux doesn't I don't think |
| 20:13.50 | enigmaa | but the file is listed in here |
| 20:13.51 | diafic | explody, too fast |
| 20:13.56 | enigmaa | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fg%2Fgtk-gnutella%2Fgtk-gnutella_0.96.4-2_i386.deb&md5sum=6a0588134249c4066ece18fdf775e2fe&arch=i386&type=main |
| 20:14.06 | enigmaa | so, i dont get it. shouldnt it show in apt-get as well? |
| 20:14.25 | explody | diafic: you'll need to find out what they named the boot image, and enter "<whatever that name is> single" at the boot: prompt |
| 20:14.32 | UncleD | dkr thank you that helps tremendously |
| 20:14.40 | diafic | forks. |
| 20:14.58 | UncleD | \amethyst yours didnt work |
| 20:15.15 | \amethyst | UncleD: did you leave out the T ? |
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| 20:15.20 | stiv2k | dkr: the formatting seems all messedu p |
| 20:15.24 | UncleD | ameth you left it out |
| 20:15.30 | UncleD | ameth i copied and pasted yours verbatim |
| 20:15.30 | \amethyst | UncleD: yeah, you're supposed to |
| 20:15.37 | \amethyst | UncleD: what does date --version say ? |
| 20:15.50 | UncleD | date (coreutils) 5.2.1 |
| 20:15.53 | dkr | stiv2k: yeah, that's where the humor aspect came in. strings just read the ascii text characters, not the proprietary binary formatting stuff |
| 20:15.59 | eddiemonge | is there a live debian distro that will run on powerpcs? (non-intels) |
| 20:16.32 | stiv2k | dkr: gotcha...the program 'catdoc' does what i need |
| 20:16.37 | diafic | eddiemonge, yes |
| 20:16.41 | diafic | its called "debian" |
| 20:16.47 | diafic | It runs on pretty much everything |
| 20:16.48 | dkr | stiv2k: oh, nifty |
| 20:16.48 | \amethyst | UncleD: must have been added in a later version |
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| 20:16.52 | diafic | my server is a powermac 300 :P |
| 20:17.00 | UncleD | \amethyst: there's newer versions? how do i get them |
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| 20:17.51 | \amethyst | UncleD: sounds like you're running sarge |
| 20:18.05 | \amethyst | UncleD: you'd need to upgrade to etch or find some sarge backports |
| 20:18.22 | \amethyst | sarge probably loses security support sometime next year, so you need to upgrade anyway :) |
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| 20:20.07 | omind | hello everybody |
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| 20:20.19 | omind | i have a smal question |
| 20:20.20 | corydora | hello |
| 20:20.21 | enigmaa | i got a dependency problem while trying to install gtk-gnutella |
| 20:20.28 | omind | i'm using gnome |
| 20:20.31 | enigmaa | could someone please join #flood so that i can paste the output there? |
| 20:20.35 | omind | and i want to hide desktop icons |
| 20:20.40 | omind | how can i do that ? |
| 20:20.42 | omind | thanks !! |
| 20:21.00 | explody | enigmaa: just use http://pastebin.ca |
| 20:21.02 | omind | !tell enigma about paste |
| 20:21.04 | corydora | can someone tell to me why the kernel.org -> kernelnewbies tuturials dont work debian |
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| 20:21.37 | enigmaa | http://pastebin.ca/675084 |
| 20:21.51 | explody | corydora: can you be more specific |
| 20:22.08 | omind | how can i hide desktop icons ? |
| 20:22.23 | explody | omind: delete them? |
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| 20:22.40 | yourself | You could also prefix them with a dot maybe? |
| 20:22.47 | omind | i want to keep them and just hide them |
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| 20:23.12 | explody | omind: also, gconf-editor -> apps -> nautlius -> desktop |
| 20:23.14 | omind | is there a way to tell nautilus to not show them ?? |
| 20:23.22 | corydora | explody i need to compile the kernel because one option they say ... to i can put the wireless here working ... and the kernel is giving all type of mistakes ... i tyr many tuturials and i really need the wireless ... to i can work whith this computer so im stoped :x i allready try it for a few days but nathing |
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| 20:23.49 | corydora | looks nathings is working here and i allreayd spent a few days in my life try to compile the kernel whith your tuturials and nathing |
| 20:23.53 | yourself | omind: What's wrong with making them hidden by adding a dot to their name? |
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| 20:24.00 | enigmaa | i dont know how to work around this dependency thing |
| 20:24.01 | Azur1 | hi |
| 20:24.03 | explody | corydora: which wireless support? |
| 20:24.27 | omind | yourself : if it was the only way ! i'll be sad cause windows can do that ;-) |
| 20:24.28 | Azur1 | did anyone know app that i can use for virtual CD in debian ? |
| 20:24.50 | explody | omind: I just told you where the nautilus setting is... |
| 20:25.10 | omind | expody : i have tested but the icons still there |
| 20:25.14 | corydora | explody they say i nede to disable one option here to i install one codec .. to put the wireless work ... but to do that first i nede to compile my kernel .... and im here for days ... for nathing ... makes me thinking why im using linux .. |
| 20:25.16 | Bogus8 | when writing a script using tar is it better to cd to the dir and use an absolute path for the -f location? OR use the -C option? |
| 20:25.16 | cahoot | Azar, virtual cd? |
| 20:25.20 | Azur1 | yes |
| 20:25.32 | zinx | Bogus: it isn't better to do either |
| 20:25.38 | explody | corydora: what wireless card do you have |
| 20:25.46 | Bogus8 | zinx: 6 of one, half a dozen of the other eh? |
| 20:25.55 | cahoot | Azar, is that another term for mounting an iso? |
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| 20:26.01 | omind | expody : ok thanks |
| 20:26.14 | Bogus8 | I just didn't find many -C examples so I was wondering if it wasn't very "standard" |
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| 20:26.38 | Azur1 | for example in WinXp you can use Deamon tools to mount iso file and the OS think it is in the CD drive |
| 20:26.41 | omind | but i still have to rename the other folders with the "." in the begining !! ;-( |
| 20:26.42 | corydora | explody i bealive is bether we concentract in kernel stuff |
| 20:27.02 | cahoot | Azar, mount -o loop (man mount) |
| 20:27.05 | explody | corydora: if I don't know which card you need to support, I can't help you fix the kernel |
| 20:27.13 | cahoot | Azur1, ^^ |
| 20:27.35 | explody | corydora: what am I supposed to do, guess which hardware you have? |
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| 20:27.52 | corydora | explody the problem is the kernel dont work ... ok one minute please |
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| 20:28.20 | corydora | explody ipw3945(wifi) |
| 20:28.33 | explody | you do not need to recompile the kernel for that |
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| 20:29.08 | explody | corydora: apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source madwifi-tools |
| 20:29.20 | explody | corydora: m-a a-i madwifi |
| 20:29.23 | explody | done |
| 20:29.43 | zinx | the 3945ABG isn't atheros |
| 20:29.57 | zinx | but it isn't much harder than that |
| 20:29.59 | explody | wooooops |
| 20:30.07 | zinx | !tell corydora about ipw3945 |
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| 20:30.12 | explody | you're right, I was looking at the wrong laptop |
| 20:30.21 | explody | zinx: thank you |
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| 20:31.01 | corydora | zinx do i innstall and do what explode says or i do what you are say? |
| 20:31.12 | explody | do what zinx says |
| 20:31.14 | corydora | because what you tell to me i allready try |
| 20:31.24 | zinx | corydora: it should work |
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| 20:31.45 | corydora | explody i tell you im here for days try to put this work what he is say to me ... it simple dont work here |
| 20:31.54 | zinx | corydora: if it doesn't, you'll have to be more specific than "doesn't work" |
| 20:32.17 | corydora | i dont know |
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| 20:32.43 | corydora | zinx so tell to me where i shoud go? |
| 20:32.52 | mashuuk | h3sp4wn, is there a cross gdb for powerpc ? |
| 20:33.13 | zinx | corydora: we could probably help here if we had enough information to do so, but all we know is that it "doesn't work" |
| 20:33.25 | explody | corydora: here is a page with some information on the 3945: https://www.klabs.be/~fpiat/linux/debian/Etch_on_Thinkpad_T60.html |
| 20:33.36 | eddiemonge | anyone ever tried to make a dvd that will boot a live distro on windows, macintels and powerpcs? |
| 20:33.50 | explody | boot a distro on windows? |
| 20:33.59 | \amethyst | on wintel you mean? |
| 20:34.02 | corydora | explody im using one asus g1s |
| 20:34.04 | explody | you mean on intel? |
| 20:34.12 | corydora | not thinkpad ... |
| 20:34.22 | explody | corydora: it doesn't matter, just look at the part about the networking |
| 20:34.31 | eddiemonge | explody: i want a dvd that will boot a live cd image on x86 and ppc machines |
| 20:34.32 | zinx | corydora: the ASUS G1S-A1 has a 4965AGN |
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| 20:34.35 | babilen | hi there |
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| 20:34.38 | babilen | i have a problem upgrading mailman on debian during a dist-upgrade from sarge->etch |
| 20:34.42 | babilen | the errors i encounter are at http://rafb.net/p/jQdgFY38.html |
| 20:34.48 | babilen | can someone have a look at them and help? |
| 20:34.52 | corydora | explody they dont use the wireless drive ... from asus thta i cant install here looks like |
| 20:34.55 | explody | eddiemonge: you'll have to make 2 separate dvds I believe |
| 20:35.03 | zinx | corydora: you'll need to upgrade your kernel to 2.6.22 and use the iwlwifi drivers at intellinuxwireless.org, grab 0.1.12 - i don't believe it is packaged in debian yet. |
| 20:35.11 | zinx | corydora: you'll need the firmware too |
| 20:35.26 | explody | listen to zinx |
| 20:35.30 | zinx | (debian, perplexingly, has the iwlwifi firmware, but it is outdated) |
| 20:35.31 | \amethyst | eddiemonge: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/ISO_%28multiarch%29 |
| 20:35.31 | corydora | zinx that what i was tell you ... that im having kernel problems |
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| 20:35.43 | explody | deja vu |
| 20:35.45 | corydora | that whta im try to do and it is not working |
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| 20:36.00 | zinx | corydora: what version of debian are you running? etch/lenny/sid? |
| 20:36.10 | corydora | so my 1 question was why the tuturials of the kernel.org kernelnewbies are not working whith debian |
| 20:36.14 | explody | \amethyst: neato, I didn't know that |
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| 20:36.28 | corydora | zinx wel i chance the sources to install sid to try :x |
| 20:36.39 | zinx | cory: sid has 2.6.22 |
| 20:36.42 | eddiemonge | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 20:36.52 | zinx | corydora: so you won't need to compile it if you're using sid |
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| 20:37.05 | corydora | zinx i dont wnat to use sid here |
| 20:37.13 | zinx | corydora: ah |
| 20:37.13 | corydora | this is to supost be stable pc |
| 20:37.23 | corydora | so i nede to compile my own kernel |
| 20:37.46 | zinx | corydora: grab the source for 2.6.22, copy the /boot/config-2.6.* for your running kernel to .config in the unpacked source, and use make-kpkg to build it |
| 20:37.50 | corydora | urg o0 0o |
| 20:37.59 | claudio` | What filesystem you think is better for desktop use? |
| 20:38.03 | zinx | cory: let me see if there's a HOWTO anyway for iwlwifi specificly |
| 20:38.13 | corydora | zinx i allready try make-kpg ... and nathing ... |
| 20:38.28 | claudio` | AFAIK, ext3 is slower than ReiserFS (and Reiser4). Do you use one of these filesystems? |
| 20:38.40 | zinx | corydora: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
| 20:38.43 | humbolto | how do I change the timezone on the console? |
| 20:38.47 | explody | claudio`: ext3 is good for general use, reiser handles lots of small files quite well, XFS handles large files quite well |
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| 20:39.10 | zinx | corydory: doesn't cover compiling the kernel though :( |
| 20:39.19 | corydora | zinx explody ok just leave thank you very much for your help |
| 20:39.31 | corydora | maby i just put windows here |
| 20:39.32 | zinx | corydora: make-kpkg did absolutely nothing? that is odd, it usually at least gives an error message. |
| 20:39.38 | claudio` | explody: i know also that with reiser it's possible to recovery the erased files by rebuilding the tree while with ext3 (and XFS) it's not possible. |
| 20:39.39 | corydora | forget i can have one more mouth this stop |
| 20:39.50 | explody | claudio`: the biggest differences between them are ususally people's opinions about which is better. I've used those and more with success, and I have only very rarely experienced anything that made one look better than nother |
| 20:40.00 | mseng | weasel00: na komm, du feige sau. geil dich hier auf Freenode auch noch ein paar mal auf solange ich nach proxies scanne |
| 20:40.01 | zinx | corydora: fwiw i have an ASUS G1S-A1 running Debian, wireless works fine :/ |
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| 20:40.31 | explody | corydora: good luck |
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| 20:40.43 | zinx | corydora: in fact everything but the webcam works great (OLED included) - the webcam uses a standard protocol so i blame linux for not supporting it properly :) |
| 20:40.47 | \amethyst | reiser (3 at least) doesn't support extended attributes from what I've seen |
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| 20:41.35 | Bibleman_Bill | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.45 | Bibleman_Bill | in linux |
| 20:42.12 | Eulex | !tell Bibleman_Bill about search |
| 20:42.13 | \amethyst | Bibleman_Bill: look at the package 'motion' |
| 20:42.32 | Bibleman_Bill | ok will try |
| 20:42.33 | corydora | zinx forget ... just your way or nathing that the problem ... |
| 20:42.34 | \amethyst | Bibleman_Bill: assuming your webcam is supported by V4L |
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| 20:43.43 | corydora | this linx tuturials are stupid cruisels sometimes |
| 20:43.47 | Bibleman_Bill | ican see the preview with the Cam stream |
| 20:44.01 | corydora | i try weeks follow tuturials and everyone says difreent things |
| 20:44.05 | corydora | and none worksssssssss |
| 20:44.40 | zinx | corydora: there are many millions of problems that can occur, we can not narrow it down without any information, and we aren't paid enough to go through the billions of solutions to those millions of problems until one works |
| 20:45.04 | corydora | zinx that is insane stuff |
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| 20:45.39 | corydora | i got this stoped for 1 mouth because of that and what more makes me bored is i know we got software to put this works but i got this stoped |
| 20:45.46 | zinx | corydora: error messages tend to help a lot if you post the whole message (though not in a channel - use a pastebin or something, ask dpkg about nopaste) |
| 20:45.52 | corydora | ok im sorry guys good night |
| 20:46.04 | corydora | thanks for the help ok nop forget cya sorry for the troubles |
| 20:46.27 | explody | I was just about to provide a long, snappy comeback |
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| 20:46.39 | explody | zinx: my kernel's broke, can you fix it please |
| 20:46.50 | explody | :P |
| 20:46.56 | UncleD | How do I allow for login to X on my ubuntu server remotely from my PC. I have RealVNC on my PC but X is not running on my machine. How do I turn on X through the console and then connect? |
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| 20:47.07 | babilen | hi, i have problems during a dist-upgrade from sarge->etch |
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| 20:47.24 | explody | UncleD: try this: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xvnc_terminal_server |
| 20:47.28 | babilen | mailman will not upgrade due to some python Attribute error |
| 20:47.40 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 20:47.40 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:47.42 | explody | UncleD: same basic steps for any linux distro |
| 20:47.45 | streuner | babilen: did you read release notes? |
| 20:47.48 | babilen | you can see the full log at: http://rafb.net/p/jQdgFY38.html |
| 20:47.58 | babilen | streuner: sure i did read the release notes |
| 20:48.02 | \amethyst | UncleD: vncserver starts a fake X session anyway |
| 20:48.24 | babilen | streuner: maybe not every single sentence. is there something in there regarding mailman that i overlooked/ |
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| 20:50.07 | Quintin | why oh why is firefox so fucking slow |
| 20:50.09 | Quintin | WHY |
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| 20:50.30 | \amethyst | Quintin: do you have many extensions installed? |
| 20:50.35 | qrck | specifially designed for the doped |
| 20:50.37 | cmacis | I need a quick answer to a mate why debian is better than ubuntu |
| 20:50.41 | qrck | lool |
| 20:50.43 | \amethyst | plenty of extensions run lots of javascript on every single page |
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| 20:50.54 | Quintin | \amethyst, flashblock and webdev |
| 20:50.56 | action09 | hi all |
| 20:50.56 | streuner | cmacis: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 20:51.06 | Quintin | cmacis, better is highly subjective. |
| 20:51.08 | Quintin | !better |
| 20:51.08 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 20:51.19 | \amethyst | Quintin: not familiar with webdev, is it any faster when you disable it? |
| 20:51.19 | Quintin | because it doesn't load a bunch of useless shit on your pc that is totally useless. |
| 20:51.22 | Quintin | would be my answer |
| 20:51.27 | Quintin | \amethyst, not really :( |
| 20:51.38 | \amethyst | Quintin: oh, then it's just firefox being an ass |
| 20:51.38 | streuner | hehe Quintin |
| 20:51.49 | \amethyst | Quintin: maybe try epiphany |
| 20:52.04 | Quintin | or firefox on winxp. which is superfast.. =\ |
| 20:52.07 | babilen | streuner: any ideas regarding my problem? |
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| 20:54.05 | streuner | as i told you before, just read release notes, feel free to mail about if its not mentioned there |
| 20:54.32 | streuner | Debian cannot solve every single fucking problem for you |
| 20:54.42 | snowbird | lol |
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| 20:56.15 | babilen | streuner: i did read the release notes. and i do not feel that a broken update path from sarge to etch is a minor thing. and this is not just a "small fucking" (your words) problem encountered because i put unstable on production systems |
| 20:56.58 | dimir | :-O |
| 20:57.01 | streuner | just try to remove mailman and re-install it later new |
| 20:57.16 | streuner | (thats what in my experiences help...) |
| 20:58.41 | babilen | streuner: same problem |
| 20:58.57 | Quintin | remove and re-install, huh? is this #windowsserver ? =) |
| 20:59.14 | babilen | Quintin: exactly. maybe a try a reboot ;-) |
| 20:59.57 | streuner | babilen: try to purge EVERYTHING |
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| 21:00.11 | streuner | even the config-files and such |
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| 21:00.56 | streuner | (if you did the upgrade process it should able to install mailman, otherwise its a bug) |
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| 21:01.07 | olivierk | streuner: Doesn't the OP want to keep his working MLs ? |
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| 21:02.34 | babilen | olivierk: yes, i would like to. IF it is necessary i will make a (seperate and most recent) backup of my configuration files and purge them _then_. If that is the only way to achieve an upgrade i will do so.. |
| 21:03.04 | illo | maybe compiling the old working version of mailman from source package under etch works? I'm not very familiar with source packages but it did the trick for me once |
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| 21:03.36 | babilen | but i would like to understand the error first before taking such steps. which will enable me to file a bug report that is helpful and might even contain a solution for other users encountering that problem |
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| 21:04.13 | olivierk | I did this (mailman, sarge to etch) upgrade without having this particular problem, though. |
| 21:04.21 | olivierk | (another one, I got) |
| 21:04.23 | illo | babilen then explore the problem in another partition. |
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| 21:04.52 | babilen | ok, seems like i have to do some research on my own, as #mailman is dead... |
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| 21:04.56 | |DuReX| | hi :) t he newest debian release, what kernel version is used @ installation ? |
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| 21:05.13 | streuner | 2.6.18 |
| 21:05.28 | PerfDave | |DuReX|: The latest stable release ships with kernel 2.6.18 |
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| 21:05.43 | PerfDave | There are more recent kernels in the testing and unstable branches of Debian. |
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| 21:07.10 | |DuReX| | i'm trying to find out if mobo is supported |
| 21:07.18 | |DuReX| | M2N32-SLI Premium |
| 21:07.21 | |DuReX| | Asus |
| 21:07.29 | |DuReX| | NVIDIA nForce® 590 SLI™ MCP |
| 21:08.05 | h3sp4wn | |DuReX|: should be (might have a buggy bios but Asus should have fixed it by now) |
| 21:08.23 | h3sp4wn | (even then you could use no_timer_override (2.6.20+) or noapic |
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| 21:11.00 | IgorSobreira | how can i add a location to my $PATH? |
| 21:11.07 | IgorSobreira | to all users..... |
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| 21:12.00 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 21:12.23 | h3sp4wn | IgorSobreira: /etc/profile or /etc/environment |
| 21:12.33 | Quintin | IgorSobreira, /etc/skel |
| 21:12.42 | illo | igor, PATH=$PATH(separator)stuff or stuff(sep)$PATH maybe? |
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| 21:12.50 | olivierk | babilen: There *is* actually a command (shipped with mailman) that actually saves a list configuration. |
| 21:13.09 | olivierk | (don't know about subscriptions, though.) |
| 21:13.28 | furrywolf | Debian Etch... trying to get a Linksys WUSB54G working. google finds some pages saying to use the prism54 driver, others the rt2500 driver... loading the prism54 module doesn't do anything, and using m-a to download, compile, and install the rt2500 module also does nothing... module loads, says nothing, nothing in dmesg. any ideas? |
| 21:13.48 | fas3r | it's possible to make ghost on active partition ( with dd ) ? |
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| 21:14.26 | fas3r | if my computer if turn on if you prefer .. |
| 21:14.34 | babilen | olivierk: ok, what is this magic command. i am doing an backup of just mailman related files right now |
| 21:14.47 | olivierk | Let me see.... |
| 21:15.16 | garo | Does anybody remember the name of the command that you can use to see which dynlinked libaries binaries need ? |
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| 21:15.26 | Quintin | gargantua, ld |
| 21:15.29 | PerfDave | garo: ldd |
| 21:15.30 | Quintin | gargantua, or ldd |
| 21:16.09 | olivierk | That would be config_list -o - listname |
| 21:16.30 | olivierk | to get all the parameters of the <listname> list. |
| 21:17.07 | furrywolf | tried installing hotplug, didn't help... only thing shown in dmesg when you plug it in is the generic "new full speed usb device" messgae, and /etc/init.d/hotplug start doesn't seem to even try loading a module for it. |
| 21:17.16 | garo | thanks |
| 21:17.21 | olivierk | And then, the same command with -i (fed with the output you got from -o) later, to get back all the parameters. |
| 21:17.45 | olivierk | man config_list is short and helpful. |
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| 21:18.47 | olivierk | About members, list_members to get members out (on backup) |
| 21:19.18 | olivierk | and add_members to get members in (on restore). |
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| 21:20.07 | streuner | Ged1m1nas: please turn that off |
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| 21:20.23 | olivierk | man pages exists, and are OK (not always the case... but well, I never wrote any, so I'll just stay quiet, and thankful for those who do exist. ;-) |
| 21:20.27 | |Jungo| | hi2all |
| 21:20.37 | gargantua | Quintin: were the last two things directed at garo? :P |
| 21:20.40 | babilen | olivierk: ok, thanks for the help! that at least provides an upgrade path for me.... hope it works out in the end |
| 21:20.54 | zagibu | hello everyone...i'm trying to install a minimal kvm (kernel virtualization machine) host, but I have no idea how to get a minimal X frontend or whether I actually need it... |
| 21:21.00 | olivierk | babilen: Yes. Really hope that will help. |
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| 21:21.17 | olivierk | babilen: Tell us if it does. |
| 21:21.25 | todd_ | hey everyone |
| 21:21.33 | gargantua | hello |
| 21:21.35 | zagibu | so far i have installed etch without selecting any software, then doing a dist-upgrade to unstable and installing kvm and qemu |
| 21:21.43 | olivierk | babilen: By the way, web logs made available with script and cat -n ? |
| 21:22.07 | todd_ | does anyone know of a tool that lets you see what ports are used by what processes? |
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| 21:22.30 | zagibu | maybe lsof can do this? |
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| 21:23.04 | illo | todd_ netstat or if you don't mind risking nmap (had to reset a router after a scan once) |
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| 21:23.56 | todd_ | illo except nmap doesn't tell you what process is behind that port does it? |
| 21:24.05 | illo | todd it tries |
| 21:24.15 | h3sp4wn | just lsof -i |
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| 21:26.15 | todd_ | i'll have to wait till later to try it. it has a bunch of dependencies and I can't risk the live server with it right now |
| 21:26.38 | illo | todd if the server is yours use lsof -i as h3sp4wn said |
| 21:26.45 | zagibu | lsof should be on any system, i think |
| 21:26.53 | zagibu | it's pretty basic |
| 21:26.55 | todd_ | I have a very barebones debian |
| 21:26.59 | todd_ | I need to apt get it |
| 21:27.12 | zagibu | ah, i just saw it's not on mine either |
| 21:27.34 | zagibu | so, todd, maybe you can help me with a minimal X server? |
| 21:27.39 | \amethyst | todd_: netstat -p as root |
| 21:27.45 | todd_ | zagibu ? |
| 21:28.03 | zagibu | don't know what to install to get a minimal X server |
| 21:28.25 | zagibu | i'd just like to be able to start virtual machines with qemu |
| 21:28.55 | zagibu | i thought you might know, cause you have very barebones debian, too |
| 21:29.08 | illo | aptitude install x-window-system xserver-xorg xfce4 xfonts-scalable xfonts-base xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi |
| 21:29.19 | illo | but use fluxbox instead of xfce4 |
| 21:29.42 | zagibu | fluxbox would be the window manager, eh? |
| 21:29.47 | illo | yep |
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| 21:29.55 | zagibu | ok, thx, i'll give it a try |
| 21:29.59 | todd_ | can't you just apt-get install xorg? |
| 21:30.20 | todd_ | zagibu: the machines i'm running don't even have x installed |
| 21:30.22 | illo | dunno todd_ that's what worked for me |
| 21:30.34 | todd_ | use ion2 |
| 21:31.15 | todd_ | ok so lsof and netstat both tell me about the processes running but neither show the relation between process and port(s) |
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| 21:32.13 | \amethyst | todd_: netstat -pant (as root) and look in the last column |
| 21:32.15 | illo | todd, i see ports listed in lsof and netstat (use -n?) |
| 21:32.50 | garo | if you don't give g++ any options and you compile something on a p4 does it compile for a p4 or a older arch ? |
| 21:32.57 | \amethyst | todd_: last column is the process, third column is the local address and port, fourth is the remote address and port |
| 21:32.58 | capiira | hi all how and where can i define just the locale LC_TIME ? |
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| 21:34.37 | todd_ | amethyst awesome thanks |
| 21:34.55 | babilen | olivierk: i installed mailman from oldstable now, and put mailman on hold. this problems needs way more time tomorrow |
| 21:35.06 | \amethyst | todd_: -punta if you want UDP too |
| 21:35.10 | babilen | olivierk: thanks again for your help. |
| 21:35.58 | olivierk | babilen: You're welcome. |
| 21:36.18 | moshii | Is it possible to create a virtual network interface? I need to create a virtual network within this machine for some hosted vms |
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| 21:37.10 | olivierk | babilen: and good luck for tomorrow's upgrade ;) |
| 21:37.55 | pickcoder | garo: I think the default arch target is i386 unless a makefile changes it |
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| 21:38.31 | pickcoder | or you specify it on the command line |
| 21:38.43 | pickcoder | brb.. reboot |
| 21:38.55 | xjkx | thunderbird doesnt support http protocol to receive messages, just pop and imap. is there any that supports? My father cant access his hotmail account, since hotmail doesnt have a pop |
| 21:39.42 | \amethyst | xjkx: look for the 'hotway' package |
| 21:39.55 | illo | besides, hotmail not supporting neither pop nor imap in 2007 means it should not have the name mail in it. |
| 21:39.56 | \amethyst | xjkx: or 'gotmail' to do it a slightly different way |
| 21:40.35 | illo | oh wait, i recall it's MS stuff. no easy way out as usual :) |
| 21:40.39 | xjkx | "hotway can be configured to run with inetd" wtf? |
| 21:41.03 | illo | xjkx, means automatic startup when network goes up, kinda. |
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| 21:41.17 | xjkx | but i dont want to be the server |
| 21:41.19 | xjkx | i am the client |
| 21:41.34 | \amethyst | xjkx: it's a pop3 server that reads mail from hotmail |
| 21:41.47 | \amethyst | like a proxy |
| 21:41.53 | xjkx | is gotmail like that too? |
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| 21:41.54 | streuner | Ged1m1nas: please turn that off |
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| 21:42.10 | \amethyst | xjkx: gotmail downloads the mail and delivers it to a local mailbox |
| 21:42.23 | illo | xjkx, nothing bad in running a server into your machine. you do it for X. |
| 21:42.26 | garo | pike_: thanks |
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| 21:43.24 | xjkx | +OK POP3 hotwayd v0.8.4 -> The POP3-HTTPMail Gateway. Server on xxx active. |
| 21:43.30 | xjkx | what do i do now? |
| 21:43.55 | \amethyst | xjkx: you're running it from the command line, or telnetting in to the pop3 port? |
| 21:44.05 | xjkx | cmd line |
| 21:44.13 | xjkx | with a normal user |
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| 21:45.14 | xjkx | hope gotmail is more intuitive |
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| 21:48.25 | \amethyst | xjkx: did you select for it to be managed automatically |
| 21:48.25 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 21:51.02 | xjkx | \amethyst: i think |
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| 21:51.04 | SORMANOV | how to check for defected clusters in my hard disk ? |
| 21:51.14 | xjkx | i answered yes to that question i showed, about inetd |
| 21:51.16 | \amethyst | xjkx: try telnet localhost pop3 and see if it connects |
| 21:51.18 | Dusk_ | can i do a netinstall with my usb modem??? |
| 21:51.25 | \amethyst | xjkx: you shouldn't need to run it from the command line |
| 21:51.43 | \amethyst | SORMANOV: man badblocks |
| 21:52.08 | \amethyst | SORMANOV: also look at the program smartctl in the package smartmontools |
| 21:52.30 | \amethyst | SORMANOV: smartctl asks the disk to check itself, while badblocks does the checking itself |
| 21:53.17 | SORMANOV | \amethyst, what's the difference between fsck and badblocks |
| 21:54.04 | streuner | he |
| 21:54.07 | PerfDave | SORMANOV: One checks a filesystem, one checks a disk |
| 21:54.07 | streuner | heh |
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| 21:54.29 | Dusk_ | can i make a netinstall with my ueagle-atm firmware?? |
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| 21:57.03 | Azar | hai mister streuner |
| 21:57.14 | Dusk_ | can i do a netinstall with my usb modem??? |
| 21:57.17 | streuner | hi |
| 21:58.07 | Azar | streuner: did you read the latest bathroom-novel about BSD vs Linux (hint: Theo gloats over some wifi licencing issue)? |
| 21:58.18 | Dusk_ | !netinstall |
| 21:58.18 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 21:58.44 | streuner | Azar: no, dont bother me too much with that... |
| 21:58.45 | Azar | Dusk_: modem? you mean dial up modem? |
| 21:59.14 | Dusk_ | Azar: no usb adsl modem...Asus Aam6000ug..i'm using ueagle-atm |
| 21:59.15 | streuner | he critizes everything, and thats ok |
| 21:59.51 | Quintin | Azar, anyone with a clue knows BSD > Linux for a whole lot of things ;) |
| 22:00.09 | Azar | well, I like neither by now |
| 22:00.20 | Azar | they deserve one another |
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| 22:01.02 | Dusk_ | Azar: i need to know if i can configure chap-secrets and pap-secrets manually by copying firmware to install a debian system |
| 22:01.04 | Azar | I only like Debian |
| 22:01.13 | Dark-Fx | debian++ |
| 22:02.00 | Dusk_ | Internal (PCI) ISDN cards and WLAN cards are not supported — sorry! |
| 22:02.09 | Dusk_ | this is what i thought i think :( |
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| 22:02.58 | Azar | Dusk_: I installed debian like everyone here thanks, so can you |
| 22:03.27 | Dusk_ | Azar: i can't install i think with the netinstall |
| 22:03.35 | Azar | on Etch (the current stable) usb is supported, don't know what old documentation you are reading |
| 22:04.01 | Dusk_ | Azar: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable |
| 22:04.07 | Dusk_ | Azar: i'm reading this |
| 22:04.12 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 22:04.14 | Azar | oh |
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| 22:04.28 | PerfDave | Dusk_: Netinstalling is a pain anyway |
| 22:04.50 | SORMANOV | \amethyst, any tool that can show in a graphic way the map of the disk with badblocks ? |
| 22:05.13 | SORMANOV | \amethyst, i need to know how much badblocks i have |
| 22:05.25 | Azar | Dusk_: I take it you read i386? |
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| 22:09.11 | Dusk_ | no gnome with 1cd?? only kde and xfce i suppose |
| 22:09.14 | rahul | SORMANOV: smartctl -a /dev/whatever should show how many blocks are physically bad instead of logically bad as the OS sees them |
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| 22:10.37 | explody | Dusk_: why can't you net install? |
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| 22:10.50 | Dusk_ | explody: cause i have a usb adsl modem |
| 22:10.56 | Dusk_ | explody: not ethernet |
| 22:11.13 | explody | hm |
| 22:11.19 | rahul | Dusk_: why do you need gnome to use your modem? |
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| 22:11.45 | Bogus8 | when using tar --newer can "date" be any format of the date command? |
| 22:12.00 | Dusk_ | rahul: no i'm just asking...cause i can't install netinstall so maybe i can install 1cd version i thought...and i love gnome |
| 22:12.01 | rahul | gnome is for applications. adsl modems use drivers... they're hardware... |
| 22:12.08 | Bogus8 | so --newer `date +%F` will work just as well as any? |
| 22:12.26 | explody | Dusk_: are you sure the net install won't support your dsl modem? |
| 22:12.28 | jair | hello guys. If I want to configure x11vnc to run when the gdm runs as greater, anyone has accomplish this? |
| 22:12.32 | rahul | Dusk_: CDs are not versions. they're collections of parts of debian. you can add network sources, too, once you've set up the networking |
| 22:12.56 | rahul | and then you can install whatever other buggy crap you want so that you can complain that debian sucks :) |
| 22:12.59 | explody | true that, you just install minimally from CD and the suck the other 99% from the network |
| 22:13.06 | jair | I am trying to have the "x11vnc" application to run automatically after the gdm greater start. |
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| 22:13.13 | stiv2k | hey |
| 22:13.18 | stiv2k | if i compile a C program in linux |
| 22:13.26 | stiv2k | like a simple C program that outputs some text |
| 22:13.28 | stiv2k | can it be run in windows |
| 22:13.35 | dkr | how do you open an .ods doc? my friend said he made it with oocalc but there is no oocalc in debian. when I run ooffice foo.ods it gives me a list of filters, but no choice looks like what I want: an oo spreadsheet |
| 22:13.35 | rahul | stiv2k you are a tool. |
| 22:13.46 | explody | stiv2k: no |
| 22:13.51 | rahul | !find bin/oocalc |
| 22:14.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/oocalc' (1): (/usr/bin/oocalc) in editors/openoffice.org-calc. |
| 22:14.02 | stiv2k | explody: how can i make it work |
| 22:14.10 | explody | stiv2k: compile the same source in windows |
| 22:14.15 | stiv2k | ah |
| 22:14.16 | Braindead | stiv2k: which part of NO you didn't get? |
| 22:14.16 | rahul | dkr: eh? it's there... |
| 22:14.18 | explody | assuming that works |
| 22:14.23 | moshii | stiv2k: compile for windows, either on windows or cross-compile |
| 22:14.30 | stiv2k | moshii: how can i do that? |
| 22:14.31 | jair | anyone here has experience using the x11vnc?\ |
| 22:14.45 | moshii | stiv2k: cross-compile? use google |
| 22:14.48 | stiv2k | ok |
| 22:14.54 | Dusk_ | explody: i have to copy my ueagle-atm firmware and make some arrangements to install my usb modem...i'm not use if i can handle it? |
| 22:14.57 | explody | cross compile for windows? |
| 22:14.57 | Dusk_ | explody: in ubuntu i was installing my modem fby copying firmware files |
| 22:15.01 | explody | I think not |
| 22:15.10 | dkr | rahul: ah, openoffice.org-calc is the package. I was looking for oocalc. thanks |
| 22:15.13 | Braindead | stiv2k: cygwin is an option (compiling the source in it, I mean) |
| 22:15.14 | SORMANOV | rahul, Device does not support Self Test logging |
| 22:15.27 | moshii | explody: you can cross-compile for amigaos, I don't see why not windows |
| 22:15.39 | stiv2k | Braindead: i mean i use linux |
| 22:15.47 | explody | moshii: sorry, I didn't mean that it was impossible, just that it's like 50x more complicated than compiling in windows |
| 22:15.51 | stiv2k | Braindead: but my proffessor runs our C programs on a windows machine |
| 22:16.04 | Bogus8 | when using tar --newer can "date" be any format of the date command? (`date +%F` just as good as any?) |
| 22:16.04 | stiv2k | Braindead: so i want to make them executeable in windows just to make sure it behaves as it should |
| 22:16.12 | Braindead | your prof.should be interested in the CODE. |
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| 22:16.18 | moshii | stiv2k: he shld be compiling them to check you haven't cheated |
| 22:16.27 | stiv2k | moshii: yes i understand that |
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| 22:16.33 | stiv2k | we are supposed to submit the SOURCE |
| 22:16.43 | rahul | stiv2k: this is not #windows... |
| 22:16.45 | stiv2k | but I want to run them in windows to make sure it behaves as it should when he runs them |
| 22:16.50 | stiv2k | omfg |
| 22:16.54 | stiv2k | im not asking a windows question |
| 22:16.59 | Braindead | you are |
| 22:16.59 | rahul | yes, you are |
| 22:17.03 | explody | stiv2k: tell him to buy you windows |
| 22:17.09 | moshii | stiv2k: get windows 98, get qemu |
| 22:17.12 | rahul | you are asking how to run C programs in windows |
| 22:17.12 | stiv2k | i _have_ windows but i _use_ linux |
| 22:17.16 | stiv2k | no i am not |
| 22:17.23 | Braindead | and we don't know how that should be debian related, anyway |
| 22:17.28 | stiv2k | i am asking how to compile a C program in LINUX so that i can execute in windows |
| 22:17.37 | rahul | stiv2k: you don't |
| 22:17.38 | Saar | is php on debian compiled with the "PHP Crack extension"? |
| 22:17.39 | moshii | stiv2k: you could cross compile and test in wine |
| 22:17.42 | rahul | not easily, at least |
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| 22:17.56 | rahul | moshii: well, that might give a false positive... |
| 22:17.58 | explody | stiv2k: get cygwin, seriously. easiest option you have |
| 22:17.58 | moshii | rahul: debian has a toolchain builder.. |
| 22:18.00 | Braindead | stiv2k: you "have" windows so get the source and compile it with whatever your professor is using |
| 22:18.04 | rahul | wine isn't exactly bug-free |
| 22:18.05 | nettie | Hi guys, I'm pretty new to debian. I'm running etch v4 and I would like to install the latest version of compiz fusion. I'm wondering if this could be possible using apt-get and the unstable repository or I'll end up in a stable/unstable dependencies hell? thanx in advance |
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| 22:18.21 | moshii | rahul: that's why I suggested win98 and qemu |
| 22:18.21 | Braindead | stiv2k: if your professor can't compile strict ANSI C, well it's HIS problem |
| 22:18.26 | PerfDave | nettie: "Etch v4" doesn't make sense - you're running Debian 4.0, aka "Etch" |
| 22:18.26 | explody | stiv2k: or optionally, "msys" which is native gcc for windows |
| 22:18.33 | rahul | nettie: upgrade all the way or not at all. testing exists as well. |
| 22:18.35 | SORMANOV | rahul, any way to low-level format my hard disk ? |
| 22:18.40 | rahul | moshii: yes. true. |
| 22:18.41 | nettie | PerfDave right sorry |
| 22:18.48 | babilen | stiv2k: nettie : first of all. use aptitude it is the preferred installation method in etch. |
| 22:18.51 | rahul | SORMANOV: not via an OS. |
| 22:18.54 | SORMANOV | rahul, i think that will get me off my badblocks |
| 22:18.56 | stiv2k | Braindead: he can, he uses dev C++ |
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| 22:19.05 | SORMANOV | rahul, it's from a livecd |
| 22:19.07 | moshii | stiv2k: which is GCC based |
| 22:19.09 | rahul | SORMANOV: you need to follow what your hardware manuals tell you |
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| 22:19.16 | stiv2k | ok |
| 22:19.19 | PerfDave | nettie: You don't want to mix packages from stable and unstable. You might be able to "backport" (compile from source) the package on your stable system, /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:19.20 | rahul | SORMANOV: your hard disk is on a live cd? |
| 22:19.22 | stiv2k | i guess i havent made myself very clear |
| 22:19.26 | moshii | stiv2k: so you should be able to crosscompile and generate the same executable |
| 22:19.34 | babilen | nettie: second: compiz is highly unstable and therefore not really advised to install |
| 22:19.39 | nettie | PerfDave thanx |
| 22:19.46 | SORMANOV | rahul, no, my hard disk is in my laptop, and am running a live cd to do the checks ... |
| 22:19.48 | stiv2k | I have windows. I can if i wanted to reboot and compile the source in windows using dev C++. However, being the linux user I am i'd prefer to not reboot and cross compile it here |
| 22:19.53 | stiv2k | moshii: great |
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| 22:19.57 | moshii | stiv2k: you'll need some sort of windows environment to test that executable actually works |
| 22:20.05 | explody | babilen: it's not "highly unstable" |
| 22:20.05 | babilen | nettie: as you will install it anyway.. what graphic chipset do you have? |
| 22:20.10 | stiv2k | moshii: yeah i know i'll test it on my room mates laptop |
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| 22:20.21 | stiv2k | moshii: any links or docs to do it? |
| 22:20.25 | nettie | babilen 945GM I bealive |
| 22:20.33 | nettie | I'm already runningn 915resolution |
| 22:20.37 | babilen | explody: i would not let it touch any of my machines.... |
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| 22:20.50 | moshii | stiv2k: or just wine while you're working and then reboot when you have a hand-in-ready product |
| 22:20.54 | nettie | I already configured xorg with the dri compiste and glx stuff old stable version works |
| 22:20.54 | explody | babilen: why is that, I'm running it right now on 3 different boxes and it's fine |
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| 22:21.22 | stiv2k | moshii: ever hear of mingw? someone in another channel suggested it... |
| 22:21.25 | nettie | the point is that I would like to try some of the bleeding edge features and eyecandy of the new version |
| 22:21.37 | explody | stiv2k: mingw/msys yes, it works quite well |
| 22:21.40 | moshii | stiv2k: mingw is gcc for windows |
| 22:21.45 | nettie | I'll rather stay with openbox though but it looks so temptive :) |
| 22:21.52 | babilen | nettie: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz might help |
| 22:22.04 | rahul | stiv2k you can talk about mingw in #windows, probably... they'll know the flaws and benefits of it better than we do... |
| 22:22.05 | moshii | stiv2k: I thought the point was that you wanted to work in linux/debian? |
| 22:22.19 | nettie | thanx guys |
| 22:22.20 | stiv2k | yeah |
| 22:22.23 | rahul | or maybe there's a specific #mingw channel |
| 22:22.37 | stiv2k | 18:21 <~stiv2k> can i compile my shit in LINUX so it can execute in windows |
| 22:22.37 | stiv2k | 18:21 <+echoline> yep |
| 22:22.37 | stiv2k | 18:21 <~stiv2k> sweet |
| 22:22.37 | stiv2k | 18:21 <+echoline> the executables come out a different size though |
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| 22:22.39 | nettie | did all that |
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| 22:22.42 | moshii | rahul: I don't think you're getting what he wants.. he can generate and test windows executables under debian just fine |
| 22:22.44 | stiv2k | oops sorry |
| 22:22.51 | stiv2k | didnt know 4 lines was considered a flood |
| 22:22.51 | explody | nettie: I'm running the compiz-fusion git now, it's more buggy than the previous compiz or beryl, but I've still had fairly few problems |
| 22:22.51 | nettie | it's fine.. I'll go trough the backport thing :) |
| 22:22.52 | stiv2k | but yeah |
| 22:23.09 | nettie | explody on sid or etch? |
| 22:23.10 | rahul | so what's the big deal here? |
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| 22:23.22 | explody | nettie: both, actually |
| 22:23.32 | moshii | stiv2k: I had to use wine a lot at uni.. the eda stuff we used was windows only, the mcu sim windows only |
| 22:23.36 | explody | nettie: though I upgraded the etch box to sid for unrelated reasons |
| 22:23.40 | rahul | stiv2k: note that there's no guarantee that he'll use mingw |
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| 22:24.04 | nettie | explody do you have a compiz fusion etch repo? does anyone already backported it? |
| 22:24.04 | explody | nettie: if you want "stable" for for the slightly older beryl |
| 22:24.09 | rahul | stiv2k: different compilers can be incompatible, so you'll need to test using tghe compiler he uses in the end |
| 22:24.20 | explody | nettie: compiz-fusion is going to be weirder, though it does look neat |
| 22:24.28 | stiv2k | rahul: yeah he's already mentioned he uses dev C++... i just want to compile them for windows execution for my own testing purposes (to make sure i put the system("PAUSE") in the right places and stuff mostly....) |
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| 22:24.30 | RAHSPUTIN | hi, with command can i read for example NR1.jpg to 01.jpg ? |
| 22:24.41 | RAHSPUTIN | read = rename |
| 22:24.42 | rahul | stiv2k: and I hope you're not saying C when you mean C++... that's VERY different across compilers |
| 22:24.43 | explody | nettie: no, there is a set of scripts that does git checkouts of the compiz-fusion source and builds debs for you |
| 22:24.45 | RAHSPUTIN | my bad :) |
| 22:24.47 | nettie | unstable is fine as long it doesnt crash more than 10 times per day :) |
| 22:24.51 | babilen | RAHSPUTIN: mv |
| 22:24.52 | explody | nettie: use at your own risk though |
| 22:24.59 | nettie | eheh |
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| 22:25.14 | explody | nettie: naw, mine is buggy but not really unstable per se |
| 22:25.23 | RAHSPUTIN | mv NR01.jpg > 01.jpg ? |
| 22:25.31 | stiv2k | rahul: i mean C when I say C... the course is titled Introduction to C programming |
| 22:25.36 | nettie | explody you're using with with gnome ? |
| 22:25.43 | babilen | RAHSPUTIN: no. "mv NR01.jpg 01.jpg" |
| 22:25.52 | moshii | stiv2k: nasm under linux can also generate windows executables if you end up doing an asm course |
| 22:25.53 | RAHSPUTIN | cool thanx ;) |
| 22:26.06 | explody | nettie: yes |
| 22:26.20 | stiv2k | moshii: i dont even know what asm is at this time ;) |
| 22:26.54 | moshii | stiv2k: write decent C code and you won't have worry.. I did a similar course and I tested non of my stuff on windows, got 85% or something stupid |
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| 22:27.09 | jarl | hello. odd question perhaps, but does anyone here have a 5,25' or 8'-diskdrive connected to the computer? |
| 22:27.14 | babilen | RAHSPUTIN: you are welcome. you might enjoy your stay on linux/debian a lot more after you read the debian-reference available in the package of the same name or at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference |
| 22:27.22 | nettie | explody I installed compiz stable.. I noticed it installed also some deps packages -- of course I need to remove it before using git.. apt-get erase compiz looks fine to you or I should also remove all the deps? |
| 22:27.28 | stiv2k | moshii: interesting |
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| 22:27.46 | explody | nettie: I can't answer that without knowing what they are |
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| 22:28.00 | moshii | stiv2k: what is the course text? |
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| 22:28.31 | nettie | mostly compiz related ones but I do bealive that I'll need them for the newer version as well |
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| 22:29.04 | stiv2k | moshii: um "C By Dissection" |
| 22:29.07 | nettie | explody you got fusion from compiz.org? |
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| 22:29.50 | moshii | stiv2k: Does it seem to be standard C or are there a ton of references to Visual Studio? ;) |
| 22:30.10 | explody | nettie: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=2294 |
| 22:30.15 | stiv2k | moshii: im not quite sure i know what Visual Studio is.... |
| 22:30.16 | babilen | RAHSPUTIN: on second thought, read the debian-tutorial first ;-) |
| 22:30.49 | stiv2k | moshii: im going to assume it's standard C... he said he will accept anything that will compile in GCC or Dev C++ |
| 22:30.57 | nettie | looks great.. let's try thx |
| 22:31.06 | babilen | stiv2k: it is an IDE for windows |
| 22:31.12 | stiv2k | IDE? |
| 22:31.17 | explody | !IDE |
| 22:31.17 | moshii | stiv2k: dev c++ is gcc based, if your code compiles and works in debian it'll most likely compile and run correctly under gcc on windows |
| 22:31.17 | dpkg | hmm... ide is (Integrated Device Electronics) IDE is the standard hard drive interface for PCs. You can connect a maximum of two hard drives to an IDE connection or channel. IDE hard drives are cheaper than SCSI drives, but sucks the chrome off a CPU, so to speak. check out http://linux-ide.org. Integrated Development Environment |
| 22:31.26 | explody | ack |
| 22:31.30 | explody | that's the wrong IDE |
| 22:31.40 | stiv2k | heh yeah i know what that IDE is |
| 22:31.40 | explody | Integrated development environment |
| 22:31.44 | stiv2k | moshii: good |
| 22:31.49 | RAHSPUTIN | and when i have a folder full of NR01 - NR20.jpg, is there a command to only remove the NR ( is that possible ) :D |
| 22:31.53 | babilen | stiv2k: Integrated Development Environment - a program to write/compile/link/.../debug programs in |
| 22:31.58 | stiv2k | ooohh |
| 22:32.08 | stiv2k | i think we used something like that in high school when i took a programming class |
| 22:32.21 | stiv2k | as a matter of fact it may have been called Microsoft Visual Studio or something... |
| 22:32.23 | babilen | explody: :-) |
| 22:32.27 | moshii | RAHSPUTIN: make up a for FILE in blah |
| 22:32.35 | stiv2k | but yeah, im 99% sure we're not using that in this course |
| 22:32.41 | babilen | RAHSPUTIN: i just knew you where getting there... :-) |
| 22:32.43 | Braindead | RAHSPUTIN: there's a fine command called "rename" (usually linked through the alternatives system to prename). or try mmv |
| 22:32.45 | explody | babilen: thank you ;) |
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| 22:33.26 | babilen | explody: now in #debian: babilen the bot with better natural language processing :-) |
| 22:33.51 | explody | hehehe |
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| 22:33.57 | RAHSPUTIN | yo, thanx again !! ;) |
| 22:34.00 | Drakeson | !torque |
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| 22:34.11 | Drakeson | (since /msg dpkg torque didn't work) |
| 22:34.32 | Drakeson | dear dpkg, could you please tell me where is torque? |
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| 22:34.41 | Drakeson | dpkg: torque |
| 22:34.43 | azeem_ | Drakeson: if it doesn't work, that means there's no such factoid |
| 22:34.55 | azeem | so stop calling non-existant factoids already |
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| 22:35.50 | eshaase | i'm trying to export a display and apparently debian blocks port 1099 by default, how do i unblock this port? |
| 22:35.50 | Drakeson | azeem: strange, a few seconds ago it didn't even respond me for the factoid "unstable" |
| 22:36.28 | Braindead | eshaase: apparently no port is blocked. |
| 22:36.29 | stiv2k | yikes |
| 22:36.35 | stiv2k | what is the binary name of mingw32? |
| 22:36.41 | azeem | Drakeson: 00:33 < azeem_> Drakeson: if it doesn't work, that means there's no such factoid |
| 22:36.54 | azeem | or it's lagging |
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| 22:37.15 | Braindead | or it's dead! /O/ |
| 22:37.26 | azeem | Drakeson: also, you need to be on a channel together with dpkg in order for it to respond to you |
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| 22:37.29 | eshaase | Braindead: debian's default install doesn't block any ports? |
| 22:37.31 | azeem | even in /msg |
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| 22:38.08 | Drakeson | azeem: It responds occasionally! That's what is strange |
| 22:38.09 | stiv2k | how do i find out what files and their locations just got installed when i installed a package w/ apt |
| 22:38.12 | Braindead | eshaase: exactly. and I just don't get the "export a display/port 1099" thing. 1099 is rather unusual |
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| 22:38.29 | azeem | stiv2k: dpkg -L <package> |
| 22:38.32 | stiv2k | k |
| 22:38.35 | smtlaissezfaire | Hey all - just wondering if anyone could recommend a diff product that would output side-by-side diffs in html. |
| 22:38.44 | eshaase | Braindead: well i'm ttrying to export a display on a remote machine using telnet and java |
| 22:38.52 | Braindead | arrrrrrrr |
| 22:39.01 | eshaase | i googled the error message and it tries to connect to my local machine at 1099 according to this site |
| 22:39.15 | stiv2k | ok got it its i586-mingw.. |
| 22:39.28 | Mr-R | smtlaissezfaire: try viewcvs |
| 22:40.17 | smtlaissezfaire | Mr-R: I'm using subversion, not CVS. Would that be a problem? |
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| 22:40.42 | ricky | smtlaissezfaire: viewvc and trac are nice. |
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| 22:40.53 | azeem | smtlaissezfaire: is this for a subversion repository or just for a single diff? |
| 22:40.59 | ricky | May be a bit too much for *just* pretty-printing diffs. |
| 22:41.00 | smtlaissezfaire | Trac doesn't have a side-by-side diff, does it? |
| 22:41.17 | ricky | Maybe not... checking.. |
| 22:41.23 | explody | I thought it did |
| 22:41.26 | PerfDave | smtlaissezfaire: diff |
| 22:41.34 | smtlaissezfaire | diff does html output? |
| 22:41.48 | explody | smtlaissezfaire: kompare does side-by-side if you don't mind GUI |
| 22:41.58 | stiv2k | great it worked |
| 22:42.06 | stiv2k | moshii: thanks |
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| 22:42.12 | smtlaissezfaire | no - I'd like something which can be seen via a browser (by a non-technical person). |
| 22:42.20 | smtlaissezfaire | a non-programmer. |
| 22:42.52 | ricky | OK, it's not technically side-by-side for me. |
| 22:42.57 | smtlaissezfaire | azeem: The files live in a subversion repos, but it shouldn't really matter. |
| 22:43.01 | ricky | Deletions are red, additions are green. |
| 22:43.13 | ricky | Looks usable enoguh to me, though. |
| 22:43.16 | ricky | **enough |
| 22:43.19 | smtlaissezfaire | ricky: yeah - that's not too bad. I must say, that I like Trac's diff. |
| 22:43.31 | smtlaissezfaire | Is trac written in Ruby? |
| 22:43.58 | ricky | Python. |
| 22:44.13 | ricky | ViewVC definitely does side by side diffs (and I think is one of the easier to navigate). |
| 22:44.20 | ricky | s/is/it is/ |
| 22:44.35 | ricky | Er, ViewVC. |
| 22:45.34 | ricky | Here's an example: http://svn.collab.net/viewvc/svn/trunk/subversion/svn/main.c?r1=26154&r2=26245 |
| 22:46.04 | en1gmaa | is there a debian pkg for ipcop |
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| 22:46.19 | azeem | en1gmaa: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:46.30 | en1gmaa | ppl told me not to use webmin cause it wasnt secure so i uninstalled it....but i would really like to control the network from a windows box |
| 22:46.39 | ricky | en1gmaa: ssh :) |
| 22:46.48 | ricky | PuTTY, to be specific. |
| 22:46.55 | en1gmaa | ssh is a webadmin ? |
| 22:47.01 | explody | !ssh |
| 22:47.01 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 22:47.14 | azeem | en1gmaa: what do you mean with "control the network"? |
| 22:47.15 | en1gmaa | im using putty right now and it dont look like it is controlled through a browser to me |
| 22:47.24 | ricky | It's not.. that's the point. |
| 22:47.28 | en1gmaa | well set firewall rules i guess |
| 22:47.32 | explody | en1gma: you said from windows, not over the web |
| 22:47.32 | ricky | You can do everything you need to in the shell. |
| 22:47.33 | smtlaissezfaire | Okay - Thanks all. I'll look into those options, and ask again if I am not satisfied with anything : ) |
| 22:47.42 | en1gmaa | im using putty right now |
| 22:47.51 | explody | ... |
| 22:47.54 | en1gmaa | i dont want to type out huge firewall rules |
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| 22:48.03 | en1gmaa | i would rather point and click to set em |
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| 22:48.11 | explody | en1gma: check out shorewall http://shorewall.net |
| 22:48.19 | en1gmaa | k checking thanks |
| 22:48.37 | explody | it's not point and click at all, but far far simpler than manually applying iptables rules |
| 22:49.00 | en1gmaa | is ipcop a distro or a pkg that can be installed. |
| 22:49.25 | en1gmaa | webmin didnt show up in apt-cache search but i went to their site and there was a .deb for it |
| 22:49.37 | PerfDave | en1gmaa: IPCop is a distro, and a fairly limited one at that. |
| 22:50.12 | ricky | en1gmaa: Yes, and it's dangerous/poorly written/insecure. |
| 22:50.27 | en1gmaa | yea i dont want to use another distro besides debian but having a web interface to control some settings is actually nice....can you imagine if you had to ssh into a linksys router everytime you wanted to change an option |
| 22:50.35 | ricky | Check webmin.com/security.html for some laughs. |
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| 22:50.41 | PerfDave | en1gmaa: I do SSH into my Linksys router :) |
| 22:50.55 | ricky | en1gmaa: Learn to love the shell :) |
| 22:51.13 | en1gmaa | well i was running the latest version and none of those exploits were listed for the latest version |
| 22:51.16 | azeem | en1gmaa: wait, you want to install webmin on your routerß? |
| 22:51.20 | eshaase | i get the following when i try to export my display using telnet: java.lang.InternalError: Can't connect to X11 window server using 'purple' as the value of the DISPLAY variable. |
| 22:51.26 | en1gmaa | also i was running a debian net-install base only |
| 22:51.28 | eshaase | anyone have any idea how to resolve this? |
| 22:51.31 | en1gmaa | and just added webmin to that |
| 22:51.35 | azeem | en1gmaa: btw, the .deb on the webmin site is the worest .deb done EVAH |
| 22:51.40 | en1gmaa | so i didnt have a hundred apps running |
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| 22:52.01 | fas3r | it's possible to use tar with rsync ? |
| 22:52.02 | ricky | en1gmaa: That doesn't make webmin any less dangerous. |
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| 22:52.19 | explody | en1gma: try this, run webmin on 127.0.0.1 on your router, and use port forwarding in PuTTY to reach it from your windows box |
| 22:52.20 | en1gmaa | well it only has 2 ports open 441 and 43 i think |
| 22:52.44 | en1gmaa | i just removed it |
| 22:52.52 | en1gmaa | why whats it do |
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| 22:53.17 | kminor | I've used several tools to test and compile source apps to .deb's. Source apps without APT I mean. Checkinstall, dpkg-buildpackage, alien, piuparts, debuild, buildd, sbuild, pbuilder etc etc.....can anyone suggest the most appropriate and/or efficient way to convert source .tar.gz contents to a .deb binary? |
| 22:53.27 | ricky | en1gmaa: It's not a question of what it does- it's how poorly it was designed/implemented. |
| 22:53.33 | smacnay | hmmm |
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| 22:53.49 | PerfDave | kminor: You can read the Debian packaging guidelines on the Debian website |
| 22:53.50 | kminor | on debian sid...if it even matters regarding efficiency |
| 22:53.50 | en1gmaa | usually webmin was run on the 192.168.xxx.xxx subnet |
| 22:53.51 | azeem | kminor: depends on your needs and requirements, really |
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| 22:54.18 | kminor | PerfDave: I have, but once again there is a thousand different methods, I'll check my link and go over that page again though |
| 22:54.37 | Paolo | today meeting to the fusolab about wi-fi http://fusoradio.net for more info visit http://wiki.ninux.org look english section or italian for italian people |
| 22:54.46 | PerfDave | kminor: The standard way of preparing packages for Debian is dpkg-buildpackage AFAIK |
| 22:54.48 | azeem | kminor: except for checkinstall and alien, I think they all run dpkg-buildpackage in the end |
| 22:55.03 | diafic | What is the lzh format? |
| 22:55.04 | diafic | And has anyone got a script to mass-rename some files? |
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| 22:55.06 | azeem | they just wrap more or less niceness around it |
| 22:55.27 | PerfDave | diafic: Perl provides /usr/bin/rename |
| 22:55.48 | moshii | diafic: lzh is like lha.. which is big in Japan and on Amiga's |
| 22:56.20 | gpm | hey guys. when i run winecfg i don't see an oss option, but all the guides on how to run steam (lame, i know, but i like to play) say to use oss...how can i install that option? |
| 22:56.37 | deadcat | !info hesiod |
| 22:56.41 | dpkg | hesiod: (Utilities for Project Athena's service name resolution protocol), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.0.2-18.1 (sid), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 12 kB |
| 22:56.45 | diafic | how can I make it rename all the files *.originalext? |
| 22:56.47 | karsten | diafic: There's a package for that. Or whip up something with sed/awk/perl. |
| 22:56.53 | moshii | gpm: I think you have to install wine-oss or something along those lines |
| 22:57.05 | karsten | diafic: 'rename' |
| 22:57.12 | PerfDave | diafic: man rename |
| 22:57.14 | kminor | azeem: I'm fairly new to dpkg-shlibsdeps and other dependency checking apps...any suggestions regarding any other debian packages that may help with the debian/control that I may not have read about? |
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| 22:57.35 | azeem | kminor: no, because I have no idea what you are trying to achieve |
| 22:57.46 | diafic | man rename really doesn't help. |
| 22:57.57 | karsten | !tell diafic about search |
| 22:58.16 | en1gmaa | brb |
| 22:58.22 | deadcat | i dont remember install anything about hesiod. |
| 22:58.50 | karsten | diafic: It's part of perl. |
| 22:59.00 | gpm | moshii: libwine-oss? i'm giving it a whirl |
| 22:59.08 | karsten | diafic: .. and doesn't help how? No manpage, or you can't grok it? |
| 22:59.10 | kminor | azeem: Pretty much package a source archive which is not within the debian repositories efficiently into a debian binary |
| 22:59.22 | moshii | gpm: sounds like the package.. why not alsa though |
| 22:59.33 | moshii | gpm: oss is like so uncool |
| 22:59.37 | gpm | moshii: thanks a bunch |
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| 23:00.05 | azeem | kminor: a Debian source package (which is not in the debian repositories, though)? |
| 23:00.10 | azeem | kminor: or some random source archive? |
| 23:00.10 | deadcat | can someone give me more info on hesiod? |
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| 23:00.22 | azeem | deadcat: google/wikipedia |
| 23:00.37 | karsten | deadcat: Undoubtedly the answer to your question is ... |
| 23:00.39 | karsten | deadcat: "Yes" |
| 23:00.42 | azeem | deadcat: are you wondering why it is installed on your system |
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| 23:01.01 | diafic | karsten, man contains no examples. |
| 23:01.13 | deadcat | azeem: ya |
| 23:01.27 | deadcat | karsten: must have installed on my system during an upgrade |
| 23:01.39 | PerfDave | diafic: "man rename" has two examples that I can see... |
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| 23:01.54 | kminor | azeem: some random source archive |
| 23:02.00 | karsten | diafic: rename [ -v ] [ -n ] [ -f ] perlexpr [ files ] |
| 23:02.12 | diafic | yes, but none of them make sense |
| 23:02.14 | karsten | diafic: rename 's/oldexpr/newxpr/' files |
| 23:02.15 | garo | Does someone know a torrentclient that doesn't use libtorrent ? |
| 23:02.15 | diafic | I hate this shit |
| 23:02.19 | diafic | it looks like line noise |
| 23:02.22 | diafic | *dies* |
| 23:02.35 | garo | or that has libtorrent staticaly compiled in it |
| 23:02.46 | karsten | !customer |
| 23:02.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 23:02.55 | karsten | Patient chap, too. |
| 23:02.58 | kminor | azeem: as in some ranom tarball not packaged for debian... |
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| 23:03.16 | PerfDave | garo: Why do you need a statically-compiled client? |
| 23:03.25 | azeem | kminor: that has nothing to do with the programs you described above |
| 23:03.33 | kminor | azeem: Like I said, I read the documentation but it seems every day there is a newer and nicer method :) |
| 23:03.40 | azeem | kminor: all those programs take Debian source packages and produce Debian binary packages |
| 23:03.41 | Momerath616 | My BIOS is detecting 2gb of ram in my pc but Debian is only detecting 900mb. |
| 23:03.44 | deadcat | azeem: i guess its dns related? |
| 23:03.46 | g00se | Is it possible to put eth0 at the server end into promiscuous mode *safely* from an ssh client? If so, how please? |
| 23:03.47 | Momerath616 | Any ideas as to why this is happening? |
| 23:03.50 | azeem | kminor: so you will have to make a Debian source package out of it |
| 23:03.58 | azeem | deadcat: and you mean hesiod, not libhesiod0? |
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| 23:04.13 | PietroGiovanni | hi all |
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| 23:04.16 | deadcat | azeem: both. libhesiod0 was asking for .athena.mit.edu |
| 23:04.17 | kminor | azeem: Sure it does, I've used dpkg-buildpackage to build .deb's out of lame.tar.gz files and whatnot |
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| 23:04.20 | PerfDave | Momerath616: What's the output of "uname -a"? |
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| 23:04.33 | garo | PerfDave: i want it to run on a system where i can't install libtorrent |
| 23:04.35 | Momerath616 | i have a custom kernel |
| 23:04.35 | azeem | deadcat: well, libhesiod is a reverse-depends of a couple of things |
| 23:04.41 | abrotman | Momerath616: then you messed up |
| 23:04.43 | Momerath616 | I'm recompiling it right now with High Mem support |
| 23:04.49 | PerfDave | Momerath616: You've probably messed up your custom kernel then |
| 23:04.54 | garo | i can install and compile programs in my home directory |
| 23:04.54 | abrotman | Momerath616: that'll fix it |
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| 23:04.58 | garo | but i don't have root |
| 23:04.59 | Momerath616 | I hope so... |
| 23:05.08 | PerfDave | garo: So install and compile libtorrent in your home directory :) |
| 23:05.13 | Momerath616 | I think I may have an incorrect ram configuration |
| 23:05.14 | PerfDave | Momerath616: Why are you using a custom kernel? |
| 23:05.23 | Momerath616 | Because I had enable SMP |
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| 23:05.39 | azeem | kminor: the unpackaged tarball will have to be equivalent in function to an unpackaged Debian source archive then, though |
| 23:05.39 | PerfDave | Momerath616: Debian kernels have SMP support |
| 23:05.40 | Momerath616 | It isn't compiled into the kernel by default. |
| 23:05.41 | babilen | Momerath616: smp is enabled by default in recent debian kernels |
| 23:05.54 | PerfDave | Momerath616: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 23:05.55 | abrotman | Momerath616: only on -486 |
| 23:06.15 | Momerath616 | I'm not sure what its called. Either x86 or i386 |
| 23:06.24 | azeem | Momerath616: what does uname -r say? |
| 23:06.28 | PerfDave | Momerath616: I mean which version of Debian, not which architecture :) |
| 23:06.29 | Momerath616 | though uname -a says i686 |
| 23:06.29 | abrotman | right .. but if it ends in -486 .. it has no SMP |
| 23:06.33 | Momerath616 | oh! |
| 23:06.33 | garo | PerfDave: but will that work ? when i compile rtorrent (my torrent client) won't it search the lib in /lib and /usr/lib ? |
| 23:06.36 | Momerath616 | unstable |
| 23:06.44 | abrotman | Momerath616: what's your CPU ? |
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| 23:06.54 | PietroGiovanni | hi all. i installed debian lenny from netinst on my computer, then moved the hd to my girlfriends comp, and everything works fine except for the network card. is there any autodetect or autoconfigure software i could use? |
| 23:06.59 | Momerath616 | athlon x2 4600...or 4800. i dont remember |
| 23:07.09 | abrotman | Momerath616: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 23:07.17 | Momerath616 | but i dont want to run 64 bit |
| 23:07.24 | Momerath616 | Its too much of a hassle |
| 23:07.27 | PerfDave | Momerath616: It's pretty clear that you don't understand what you're doing, so I'd really advise against trying to compile your own kernels. |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | then install -k7 |
| 23:07.37 | PerfDave | Momerath616: You can run a 64-bit kernel with a 32-bit userspace with no hassle. |
| 23:07.39 | Momerath616 | I don't know what i'm doing...ok |
| 23:07.46 | PerfDave | garo: Set LD_LIBRARY_PATH to allow extra directories for library searches. |
| 23:07.49 | kminor | azeem: yep, in the past for example....Lets say I've downloaded EXAMPLE.tar.gz from sourceforge....I've built the dependencies and created debian/control stuff and created a .deb pkg from the modified contents of the source (i.e. EXAMPLE.tar.gz) |
| 23:08.09 | PerfDave | garo: I've hand-compiled libtorrent and rtorrent into ~/lib and ~/bin on one system where I don't have root. |
| 23:08.17 | azeem | kminor: then you built a Debian source package, in its unpacked state |
| 23:08.27 | kminor | azeem: and this is assuming that EXAMPLE.tar.gz is nowhere to be found within the debian repositories in sources.list |
| 23:08.35 | Momerath616 | I came from Gentoo so I have a little bit of knowledge about compiling my own things. |
| 23:08.42 | azeem | kminor: I'm still not sure what you're trying to achieve |
| 23:09.02 | Momerath616 | I was just trying to figure out what possible reasons there might be for Debian not seeing all of my ram |
| 23:09.26 | Momerath616 | My first though is that I dont have a proper ram configuration but my bios is seeing all 2gb |
| 23:09.34 | babilen | Momerath616: gentoo is quite different from debian. just try the supplied kernels until you have a good reason to change that.... |
| 23:09.37 | abrotman | Momerath616: anyways ... use the correct debian kernel |
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| 23:09.39 | PerfDave | Momerath616: You need to use the right Debian-packaged linux-image for your hardware. You don't need to compile your own kernel, or run 64-bit Debian |
| 23:09.44 | uberspaced | i finally got kerberos working |
| 23:09.50 | uberspaced | it's the output of hostname -f that matters |
| 23:09.53 | uberspaced | not just plain hostname |
| 23:10.10 | Momerath616 | I was trying to get some more speed out of my system by compiling my own kernel as well. |
| 23:10.11 | babilen | Momerath616: did debian see your RAM after the initial install of debian? |
| 23:10.18 | kminor | azeem: OKay, ALL the packages you can get with 'apt-get install' or 'dpkg -i pkg.deb' had to be created, compiled and set up as a .deb so that you can install them in that fashion right? |
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| 23:10.24 | Momerath616 | There's loads of crap being loaded that I dont need in my kernel |
| 23:10.24 | PerfDave | Momerath616: Compiling your own kernel won't give you more speed. That's a Gentoo fallacy :) |
| 23:10.27 | azeem | kminor: right |
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| 23:10.35 | Momerath616 | Ok |
| 23:10.47 | Momerath616 | I just installed another gig of ram about 30 minutes ago |
| 23:10.54 | abrotman | oh this is useless |
| 23:11.00 | Momerath616 | It was detecting all of my ram just fine before that. |
| 23:11.02 | garo | PerfDave: did you give special options to configure ? |
| 23:11.06 | PietroGiovanni | is there a way to autodetect ethernet devices? |
| 23:11.15 | azeem | PietroGiovanni: they are usually autodetected |
| 23:11.17 | PerfDave | garo: Yes, --prefix=$HOME or something like that |
| 23:11.21 | abrotman | PietroGiovanni: they shold detect on their own ... just not configured |
| 23:11.33 | garo | PerfDave: going to try that, thanks !!! |
| 23:11.58 | Momerath616 | I have my ram setup as 2x 512mb and 1x 1gb |
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| 23:12.17 | abrotman | !prize Momerath616 |
| 23:12.20 | Momerath616 | That technically shouldn't cause problems I don't think |
| 23:12.26 | PerfDave | Momerath616: Your RAM setup doesn't matter. You just need to use the right Debian-provided kernel image for your hardware. abrotman already told you what it is. |
| 23:12.35 | abrotman | i told him two! |
| 23:12.40 | abrotman | i can give a third if you'd like :) |
| 23:12.49 | PietroGiovanni | azeem i never did a configuration before and it worked, i moved the hard drive and it doesnt work anymore. is there a way to get linux to reconfigure it again? |
| 23:12.54 | Momerath616 | fine |
| 23:13.18 | abrotman | PietroGiovanni: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 23:13.42 | PietroGiovanni | abrotman sorry, im under win (otherwise i coudlnt be online) |
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| 23:14.21 | Momerath616 | Thanks for the help |
| 23:14.25 | kminor | azeem: So I want to take some source code I've got for some app not yet ported to Debian....and instead of installing it from source, I want to CREATE a .deb from that source code and install it in that fashion....which I have achieved through several different methods....and I'm wondering which method seems to be the most efficient to date....if anyone can make any suggestions I'd appreciate it....this is, I mean without using APT to retrieve the sour |
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| 23:14.30 | abrotman | !fr |
| 23:14.30 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:14.53 | azeem | kminor: you got cut off at "retrieve the sour[...]" |
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| 23:15.38 | kminor | azeem: k haha, just a sek...maybe im not communicating right |
| 23:16.00 | azeem | kminor: your line was too long for irc |
| 23:16.02 | azeem | just split it up |
| 23:16.38 | kminor | azeem: which I have achieved through several different |
| 23:16.38 | kminor | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.38 | kminor | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.38 | kminor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:16.54 | kminor | azeem: woops, u get that? |
| 23:17.06 | abrotman | nope :) |
| 23:17.21 | abrotman | kminor: can we get the executive summary? :) |
| 23:17.49 | azeem | kminor: no |
| 23:18.17 | azeem | kminor: how about you paste the stuff after "retrieve the sour" in ONE line, and we tell if you get cut off again |
| 23:18.21 | azeem | or use a pastebin |
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| 23:19.34 | kminor | azeem: So I want to take some source code I've got for some app not yet ported to Debian....and instead of installing it from source, I want to CREATE a .deb from that source code and install it in that fashion....which I have achieved through several different methods....and I'm wondering which method seems to be the most |
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| 23:19.54 | azeem | can you repeat THE END? |
| 23:19.59 | azeem | we got the beginning three times now |
| 23:20.21 | kminor | efficient to date....if anyone can make any suggestions I'd appreciate it....this is, I mean without using APT to retrieve the source |
| 23:20.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:20.27 | kminor | azeem: did you get that? |
| 23:20.32 | abrotman | kminor: you can have unofficial sources |
| 23:20.43 | azeem | kminor: so it ended with "retrieve the source"? |
| 23:20.59 | kminor | azeem: period |
| 23:21.07 | azeem | kminor: you could've said that earlier |
| 23:21.09 | azeem | anyway |
| 23:21.23 | kminor | azeem: aaagrrr I did hehe, maybe i posted to long of messages |
| 23:22.11 | azeem | you can either run dpkg-buildpackage directly, or first create a source package and then run one of the above mentioned programs on that |
| 23:22.26 | kminor | azeem: Have you ever created your own Debian Binary from a source tarball without using apt-get? |
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| 23:22.55 | uberspaced | anyway, on my kerberos kick again, but can stay for longer now |
| 23:22.59 | abrotman | kminor: what's your ultimate goal ? |
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| 23:23.20 | uberspaced | when using modauth-krb5 for apache, it uses the full host name passed in the uri |
| 23:23.22 | azeem | kminor: apt-get doesn't create binaries anyway |
| 23:23.27 | karsten | abrotman: In general: getting the frisbee into the other team's goal. |
| 23:23.31 | uberspaced | when kiniting on the box, it doesnt use the host name apparently |
| 23:23.41 | abrotman | karsten: my brother does that crap .. not me |
| 23:23.45 | uberspaced | the hostname that matters for ssh connections is the output of hostname -f |
| 23:23.47 | uberspaced | not hostname |
| 23:24.01 | azeem | kminor: and as I said, the part where you go from "random tarball" to "works with dpkg-buildpackage" is the complicated part, and can't be standardized |
| 23:24.35 | uberspaced | also, having the ability to use your kerberos password to log in does NOT mean that your hostname is correct |
| 23:24.58 | uberspaced | so, kinit, modauth-krb5 AND using your kerb password to log into a box STILL does not mean your hostname is correct |
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| 23:25.09 | abrotman | karsten: he's probably even played ultimate in your town! |
| 23:25.11 | uberspaced | err, if all of that stuff works that doesnt mean a thing. |
| 23:25.15 | pipeline_ | kminor: checkinstall is your friend |
| 23:25.21 | uberspaced | explody you there? |
| 23:25.43 | uberspaced | also, debian does not install ntp by default, while ubuntu does (i think) |
| 23:26.23 | kminor | abrotman: Well originally I was asking a question, I'll paste it in, one sek |
| 23:26.35 | explody | yeah, sup |
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| 23:26.53 | abrotman | kminor: please don't :) |
| 23:27.12 | abrotman | kminor: you want your users to be able to build a .deb from source .. or you want to maintain the .deb yourself ? |
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| 23:27.19 | kminor | pipeline_: haha yeah actually other than just package conversions, checkinstall was the first utility I used a couple years back... |
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| 23:28.47 | uberspaced | now i'm off to check if _srv records are enough to get this bs working. |
| 23:28.50 | uberspaced | latoh. |
| 23:29.32 | drbair | is no crypt available for the default build of openssh on debian? |
| 23:29.35 | drbair | etch that is |
| 23:29.41 | explody | RAARRRARRRGH |
| 23:30.08 | explody | I curse all business people for forcing me to use redhat |
| 23:30.17 | abrotman | explody: did you just .. explode ? |
| 23:30.30 | explody | abrotman: yep |
| 23:30.39 | kminor | abrotman: I don't want my own repository, I just want to know the best way as of now(today), that you guys think is the best of the many methods to take an application tarball(example.tar.gz) that u've created or modified or downloaded and create a .deb package... |
| 23:30.55 | azeem | kminor: there's no best way, get that |
| 23:31.01 | kminor | abrotman: I know how, but I've done it using several different methods, that's all I was asking, no biggie |
| 23:31.03 | azeem | 01:22 < azeem> kminor: and as I said, the part where you go from "random tarball" to "works with dpkg-buildpackage" is the complicated part, and can't be standardized |
| 23:31.07 | karsten | explody: But RHEL is teh *only* enterprise-class Linux. |
| 23:31.22 | abrotman | kminor: i've seen upstream maintain a debian/ which helps .. which allows the enduser to build packages on their own |
| 23:31.24 | kminor | azeem: It can be if you create the debian/control files |
| 23:31.33 | PerfDave | kminor: I assume you've seen http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ ? |
| 23:31.33 | azeem | kminor: dude |
| 23:31.35 | explody | RH's dumbass disk partitioner forces swap partitons to the end of the disk no matter what order you create them in. Thanks for making my decisions for me you fscking asshats |
| 23:31.36 | dondelelcaro | kminor: no, it cannot. |
| 23:31.45 | karsten | explody: All those other distros are only good on Klingon ships. |
| 23:31.46 | UncleD | Is there a way to find out the model /type of an installed video card without opening up the PC? |
| 23:31.46 | azeem | kminor: the "create the debian/control files" is the part which matters here |
| 23:31.51 | explody | karsten: haaahaha |
| 23:31.51 | kminor | dondelelcaro: any suggestions? |
| 23:31.55 | PerfDave | UncleD: lspci ? |
| 23:31.56 | azeem | kminor: this cannot be automated |
| 23:32.00 | PerfDave | UncleD: Also, dmesg |
| 23:32.06 | PerfDave | UncleD: Maybe even dmidecode |
| 23:32.07 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
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| 23:32.17 | azeem | everything from the point where you could successfully run dpkg-buildpackage can |
| 23:32.46 | azeem | kminor: but look into dh_make if you don't know it already for some more or less useful templating of source tarballs which don't have a debian/ directory yet |
| 23:32.54 | UncleD | PerfDave: What if it says 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1). under lspci |
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| 23:33.03 | UncleD | PerfDave: Is that definetely correct or could that maybe be wrong? |
| 23:33.17 | UncleD | I mean, i think the old one was geforce im not sure if the new one is |
| 23:33.33 | PerfDave | UncleD: If it says that, either the device is reporting the wrong PCI ID, or the PCI ID database is wrong. Both of these are unlikely. |
| 23:33.44 | UncleD | PerfDave: ok then it must be right |
| 23:33.55 | PerfDave | UncleD: No, but it's unlikely to be wrong :) |
| 23:34.00 | UncleD | PerfDave: This brings me into my next question. X stopped working after i installed this new video card. |
| 23:34.02 | pipeline_ | kminor: if you've created it, then checkinstall is your game. If you've modified it, then copy your source tree into the appropriate subdirectory of the debian package source tree for the package and alter the control file. |
| 23:34.05 | SORMANOV | how to zerofill a harddrive ? |
| 23:34.07 | UncleD | It says no screens found now. |
| 23:34.14 | abrotman | SORMANOV: man dd |
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| 23:34.26 | PerfDave | UncleD: "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", choose the "nv" driver |
| 23:34.33 | sell0r | nabend. |
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| 23:34.54 | azeem | PerfDave: are you sure those are supported by nv? |
| 23:35.01 | PerfDave | azeem: Mine is |
| 23:35.09 | kminor | azeem: ya I hear you, I appreciate the help, I'll go on creating unofficial .deb's as I have been :)....I'm sure I'll learn of my mistakes along the way...once again though, thanks for the info azeem, PerfDave, pipeline etc. |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | azeem: at least for 2d |
| 23:35.29 | azeem | ok |
| 23:35.37 | UncleD | PerfDave: ok great its running me through config your awesome |
| 23:35.41 | abrotman | not sure about 3d |
| 23:35.50 | UncleD | PerfDave: where it says keyboard layout, i use dvorak. what should i type in place of "us" |
| 23:36.03 | azeem | kminor: if you would be more clear on which step exactly you are curious about, we might have been of more help |
| 23:36.11 | Kaiten4 | Hi, having problem with a package I installed, then I removed it, and now it's complaining it needs to be reinstalled. http://pastebin.com/m5054709b |
| 23:36.21 | fas3r | how to count how all files containt in system ^^ ? |
| 23:36.27 | PerfDave | azeem: Are there nvidia cards which *aren't* supported by nv? The only issue I was aware of was with nvidia and legacy cards. |
| 23:36.31 | abrotman | Kaiten4: that's your kernel |
| 23:36.35 | solitude| | Kaiten4, dont mix aptitude and apt-get |
| 23:36.37 | abrotman | Kaiten4: did you destroy the .deb ? |
| 23:36.39 | solitude| | only use one of them |
| 23:36.55 | azeem | PerfDave: ok, maybe I was confusing that with the ATI situation, sorry |
| 23:36.56 | Supaplex|roaming | fas3r: find / -x -type f | wc |
| 23:36.56 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: yes, it was installed locally and I got rid of the .deb after I uninstalled it |
| 23:37.02 | abrotman | Kaiten4: bummer |
| 23:37.05 | kminor | pipeline_ : Sweet, thanks man...that's exactly what I needed to hear.... |
| 23:37.12 | fas3r | thank Supaplex|roaming ^^ |
| 23:37.13 | PerfDave | Kaiten4: You need to remove the package with dpkg, since you installed it with dpkg. |
| 23:37.20 | Kaiten4 | oh |
| 23:37.26 | Kaiten4 | but it's already removed. |
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| 23:37.42 | Kaiten4 | and it's long gone |
| 23:37.56 | UncleD | PerfDave: Any idea as far as how to set my key layout to dvorak? |
| 23:38.03 | PerfDave | UncleD: Not sure, sorry |
| 23:38.04 | PerfDave | Kaiten4: dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.21-custom |
| 23:38.05 | UncleD | Would it be us-dvorak ? |
| 23:38.26 | azeem | Kaiten4: wait |
| 23:38.27 | azeem | Kaiten4: what does "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.21-custom | tail -1" say |
| 23:38.34 | gargantua | how do I uninstall a .deb package? |
| 23:38.35 | fas3r | Supaplex|roaming: it don't want " -x " argument .. |
| 23:38.43 | azeem | gargantua: apt-get remove <package> |
| 23:38.55 | kminor | UncleD: Set a dvorak keymap |
| 23:38.58 | UncleD | PerfDave: looks like i can do Option "XkbVariant" "dvorak" |
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| 23:39.01 | UncleD | kminor how? |
| 23:39.02 | PerfDave | UncleD: Googling for "xorg dvorak debian" suggests just "dvorak" |
| 23:39.19 | gargantua | azeem: I didnt get the package from apt-get. |
| 23:39.29 | azeem | gargantua: you can still remove it via apt-get |
| 23:39.41 | Kaiten4 | azeem: http://pastebin.com/m451903e0 |
| 23:39.47 | gargantua | azeem: ok, how do I know the pkg name? :P |
| 23:40.00 | azeem | Kaiten4: (you don't need to pastebin for one line) |
| 23:40.23 | azeem | gargantua: it's the first part of the filename of the .deb, up to the first _ |
| 23:40.27 | Kaiten4 | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/m6b86740e |
| 23:40.30 | gargantua | oh... |
| 23:40.56 | Kaiten4 | i pasted one liners once upon a time |
| 23:41.01 | Kaiten4 | then got bitched at |
| 23:41.15 | PerfDave | Kaiten4: Gosh, I've never seen that error before :) |
| 23:41.18 | kminor | UncleD: Never done it my self, one sek lemme check something |
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| 23:41.33 | kminor | Kaiten4: don't you hate it when peeps get grumpy haha :) |
| 23:41.44 | Kaiten4 | kminor: I'm used to it by now |
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| 23:41.51 | linuxtk10 | hey i need to build a 15 mb debian |
| 23:41.53 | linuxtk10 | possible ? |
| 23:41.57 | azeem | linuxtk10: no |
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| 23:41.59 | linuxtk10 | sorry |
| 23:42.02 | linuxtk10 | 50-100 |
| 23:42.13 | azeem | why? |
| 23:42.16 | UncleD | perfDave/kminor: Can I start X remotely through ssh and then vnc into the machine and into the X session? |
| 23:42.21 | Supaplex|roaming | fas3r: man find - look for the one filesystem option, otherwise it'll look in /proc and /dev (eg devfs) |
| 23:42.34 | linuxtk10 | azeemm: jus help me out i need it :P |
| 23:42.48 | azeem | linuxtk10: well, I don't need it |
| 23:42.48 | fas3r | Supaplex|roaming: it's done ;) |
| 23:42.57 | linuxtk10 | all i need is a debian kernel and busy box |
| 23:43.01 | PerfDave | UncleD: You can start a VNC session remotely and VNC into that, which may be simpler. What's this got to do with dvorak keyboards? |
| 23:43.11 | azeem | linuxtk10: I rather help out people who want to run a regular Debian, sorry |
| 23:43.13 | UncleD | PerfDave: nothing im past the dvorak thing. |
| 23:43.20 | azeem | linuxtk10: why do you need debian for that? |
| 23:43.23 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: my old firewall was barely able to fit on 250mb, totally gutting stuff. You might want openwrt instead (depending on the application) |
| 23:43.38 | abrotman | emdebian maybe ? |
| 23:43.41 | UncleD | PerfDave: Will my VNC session be in X though? |
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| 23:43.48 | PerfDave | UncleD: What do you mean by "in X"? |
| 23:43.57 | UncleD | as in X11 Windows |
| 23:44.02 | Supaplex|roaming | emdebian is more beta than the bsd ports |
| 23:44.05 | UncleD | err gdm or xdm |
| 23:44.06 | Kaiten4 | Um so uh, is there anyways to make dpkg forget about this whole weird package thign? |
| 23:44.09 | linuxtk10 | Supaplex|roaming: yea |
| 23:44.12 | kminor | Kaiten4: I hear that....just hope that the grump is stressed out from his job or something, and not some zit infested egomaniacle twentysomething with a complex :) |
| 23:44.20 | PerfDave | Kaiten4: I'm not sure TBH, I've never seen those errors before. |
| 23:44.23 | UncleD | PerfDave: I want to be able to start gdm or xdm remotely and then vnc into them. |
| 23:44.26 | azeem | Kaiten4: you must have done something strange/stupid to get to this point |
| 23:44.30 | linuxtk10 | azeem:: i dont need debian i need something |
| 23:44.33 | kminor | emdebian rawks |
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| 23:44.41 | azeem | linuxtk10: so don't use Debian and ask elsewhere |
| 23:44.52 | PerfDave | UncleD: Start them remotely to appear on the monitor physically attached to your machine? |
| 23:44.55 | Kaiten4 | azeem: I made a new kernel, I booted it, I removed it, deleted the .deb |
| 23:44.55 | scrip | uncled: usually the vnc server uses a seperate x startup script, I forget where it is, but I've used it before |
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| 23:45.12 | azeem | Kaiten4: apparently it didn't remove cleanly |
| 23:45.18 | UncleD | PerfDave: Yes or something of that sort. |
| 23:45.23 | azeem | Kaiten4: and/or you didn't remove it with apt-get/dpkg |
| 23:45.33 | Kaiten4 | azeem: synaptic.. |
| 23:45.35 | UncleD | PerfDave: My goal is to vnc into gdm/xdm. However i do that. |
| 23:45.39 | PerfDave | UncleD: OK. You know that X and X sessions aren't necessarily tied to a physical device? |
| 23:45.41 | scrip | undled: look at x11vnc |
| 23:45.49 | UncleD | PerfDave: I didnt realize that. |
| 23:45.50 | azeem | synaptic would've been fine as well |
| 23:45.54 | UncleD | PerfDave: But now I do. :) |
| 23:46.01 | abrotman | so you use apt-get, aptitude, and synaptic? |
| 23:46.25 | kminor | UncleD: Have you tried to use apt-get install keymapper...then check out the docs in /usr/share/doc/keymapper/ ..? |
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| 23:46.33 | Kaiten4 | I don't really use aptitude that much |
| 23:46.35 | PerfDave | UncleD: Well, you can use vncserver to run startx, and you can have an X session you can access over VNC which has nothing to do with your monitor. |
| 23:46.44 | azeem | Kaiten4: what does "ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.21-custom*" say? |
| 23:46.50 | PerfDave | UncleD: You can also use XDMCP for remote X sessions |
| 23:47.05 | abrotman | Kaiten4: do you even have the source stree ? |
| 23:47.07 | abrotman | tree |
| 23:47.09 | scrip | uncled: is this over lan or internet? |
| 23:47.20 | UncleD | internet |
| 23:47.25 | PerfDave | UncleD: It is possible to use VNC to access the physical display, using one of the Reverse Frame Buffer (RFB) technologies. |
| 23:47.29 | Kaiten4 | azeem:http://pastebin.com/m376ceed6 |
| 23:47.42 | PerfDave | UncleD: You know that VNC and XDMCP over the Internet are insecure? |
| 23:47.47 | UncleD | PerfDave: yea |
| 23:47.50 | scrip | uncled: vnc is insecure, so you should probably use an ssh tunnel |
| 23:47.51 | azeem | Kaiten4: is there a lot in /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.21-custom.list? |
| 23:47.55 | Kaiten4 | abrotman: yes, but I changed the options and compiled a new .deb from the same tree |
| 23:48.06 | abrotman | couldn't he just for i in .list touch ? |
| 23:48.12 | kminor | UncleD: That would let you build your own dvorak keymap which might be unconvienent but would probably work |
| 23:48.13 | PerfDave | UncleD: Why don't you tell us what you're actually trying to do, and we might be able to advise the best way of doing it. |
| 23:48.19 | UncleD | scrip: I'd do that either way. My goal is simply to get to the gdm/xdm desktop remotely. |
| 23:48.32 | kminor | UncleD: You give up on the dvorak? |
| 23:48.35 | UncleD | I can already ssh into my machine obviously. |
| 23:48.39 | Kaiten4 | azeem:yes |
| 23:48.40 | UncleD | kminor nope, just installed keymapper. |
| 23:49.03 | azeem | Kaiten4: install debsums, run "debsums linux-image-2.6.21-custom" |
| 23:49.03 | scrip | uncled: all the layers are pretty complicated, but the default install does a good job |
| 23:49.25 | Kaiten4 | azeem, can't apt is broken |
| 23:49.33 | PerfDave | UncleD: What do you want to do with your remote GDM / XDM session? |
| 23:49.35 | azeem | do you have debsums installed? |
| 23:49.35 | scrip | uncled: for me, I usually just insall vnc-server, set a password with vncpasswd, start the server, and it works |
| 23:49.47 | Kaiten4 | no |
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| 23:49.50 | azeem | Kaiten4: otherwise, download the .deb and install it with dpkg -i |
| 23:49.57 | Kaiten4 | ok |
| 23:49.58 | nootoyahora | hello to everyone |
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| 23:50.05 | UncleD | scrip: PerfDave: Use something besides the console prompt. Like Gimp. |
| 23:50.08 | Kaiten4 | what category is debsums under? |
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| 23:50.34 | PerfDave | UncleD: So you want to run GIMP remotely? You could just use ssh -X and forward the display over SSH - it's simple and secure. |
| 23:50.35 | nootoyahora | I want to know how can i download ONE package in an internet connected machine, and rtansfer it to another machine with no internet connection |
| 23:50.36 | UncleD | PerfDave: my goal is to be able to get into the gdm/xdm of my server remotely over the internet and I accept the risks. |
| 23:50.37 | azeem | http://packages.debian.org/debsums |
| 23:50.48 | UncleD | PerfDave: I didnt know that. |
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| 23:51.13 | UncleD | PerfDave: What if im not on a debian machine though. I'm attempting to do this from a PC |
| 23:51.19 | nootoyahora | azeem, how can I download a .deb? |
| 23:51.25 | PerfDave | UncleD: What do you mean by "a PC"? |
| 23:51.27 | abrotman | nootoyahora: wget |
| 23:51.31 | azeem | nootoyahora: don't ask persons, ask the channel |
| 23:51.35 | UncleD | that is running winxp |
| 23:51.36 | Kaiten4 | azeem: http://pastebin.com/m376ceed6 |
| 23:51.37 | PerfDave | UncleD: This is why I'm asking you what you want to actually *achieve*. There are several methods of doing remote application and/or desktop display with X |
| 23:51.45 | Kaiten4 | azeem oops wrong |
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| 23:51.52 | Kaiten4 | azeem, debsums: package linux-image-2.6.21-custom is not installed |
| 23:51.56 | PerfDave | UncleD: Then say that, a PC is a personal computer and could be a Debian box, a Mac or a Windows machine or several other things :) |
| 23:51.58 | azeem | hrm |
| 23:52.00 | UncleD | PerfDave: I understand. I'm on XP attempting to access tho gdm/xdm on my box. |
| 23:52.08 | nootoyahora | abrotman, thank you |
| 23:52.13 | azeem | Kaiten4: ok, I suggest the following |
| 23:52.24 | abrotman | 1) cry :) |
| 23:52.35 | azeem | Kaiten4: open /var/lib/dpkg/info/status with your editor, search for "^Package: linux-image-2.6.21-custom" |
| 23:52.45 | azeem | Kaiten4: change status to "Status: install ok installed |
| 23:52.46 | azeem | " |
| 23:52.52 | Kaiten4 | My girlfriends abusing me, apt is broken, I just might cry |
| 23:52.54 | PerfDave | UncleD: If you want to run GIMP remotely, your options include X forwarding over SSH (using PuTTY and mingw or cygwin as an X server for windows) or portforwarding VNC over SSH, or using FreeNX. |
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| 23:53.03 | azeem | Kaiten4: then run debsums again |
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| 23:53.27 | Kaiten4 | /var/lib/dpkg/info/status is a new file |
| 23:53.41 | azeem | oops |
| 23:53.45 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 23:53.45 | azeem | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 23:53.46 | azeem | sorry |
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| 23:54.00 | UncleD | PerfDave: Ok, so vncserver on my debian box and realvnc on my windows box wont get the job done.. |
| 23:54.28 | PerfDave | UncleD: You really want to throw PuTTY into the mix too, to forward the VNC connection securely. |
| 23:54.33 | PerfDave | s/forward/tunnel/ |
| 23:54.49 | Kaiten4 | debsums still says it's not installed |
| 23:55.04 | UncleD | PerfDave: ok well I have putty. |
| 23:55.08 | azeem | Kaiten4: what does "dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.21-custom | tail -1" say now? |
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| 23:55.18 | Azar | honorables, say hello to the shiny new Gnash 0.8.1 GPLv3'd too enjoy your movies! |
| 23:55.26 | karsten | UncleD: Another option (if it hasn't already been mentioned) is NX (NoMachine) which seems to be as fast or faster than VNC, and manages tunelling by its lonesome. |
| 23:55.35 | abrotman | and is non-free |
| 23:55.42 | kminor | well, I'm out...thanks again for the advice pipeline_ |
| 23:55.47 | Kaiten4 | Configured-Version for package with inappropriate Status |
| 23:55.51 | PerfDave | karsten: I mentioned {Free,NoMachine }NX, but it's a pain in the arse to set up. |
| 23:55.52 | karsten | Azar: Hellow to the shiny new Gnash 0.8.1 GPLv3'd too enjoy your movies. |
| 23:55.58 | azeem | heh |
| 23:55.59 | karsten | !nx |
| 23:55.59 | dpkg | i guess nx is http://www.nomachine.com/ NX terminal server client/server. Like VNC but faster, with security, multi-client. Partially non-free. #nx |
| 23:56.08 | Azar | uh? |
| 23:56.17 | Azar | hehe |
| 23:56.17 | azeem | Kaiten4: paste the whole linux-image-2.6.21-custom paragraph from the status file |
| 23:56.20 | karsten | abrotman: There's IIRC free client and server for Debian. |
| 23:56.36 | abrotman | karsten: not in debian .. so can't be that free .. |
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| 23:56.44 | jesse | I have a line of text: <a class="bigusername" href="member.php?s=d5b9396ae1a9ceec3b7193dac0d8abaf&u=12">iGreebo</a> .. and need to echo out just the number after u= before "> .. so in this case 12.. I can't come up with a way to do this in sed or awk for the life of me..anyone here know? I'm probably just an idiot. |
| 23:57.16 | abrotman | works for me |
| 23:57.23 | abrotman | jesse: ##php |
| 23:57.24 | PerfDave | UncleD: So the magic reciepe is to have vncserver running on the Debian box, listening to localhost. PuTTY on the Windows box, forwarding the VNC port. vncviewer on the Windows box connecting to localhost. |
| 23:57.34 | karsten | abrotman: I thought I remembered that it _was_ there. |
| 23:57.46 | abrotman | jesse: or use awk to split it up |
| 23:58.01 | Kaiten4 | azeem, http://pastebin.com/m4a197a5a |
| 23:58.02 | PerfDave | jesse: perl -ple 'm/u=(\d+)"/ && print $1' |
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