| 00:00.12 | azeem | Kaiten4: remove the Config-Version line from that paragraph, and try dpkg -l again |
| 00:00.22 | linuxtk10 | anyway to make it hard for users to break out of a chroot ? |
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| 00:01.34 | jetscreamer | how the hell does one get a distro based on a distro based on a distro |
| 00:01.42 | Kaiten4 | error in Config-Version string `': version string is empty |
| 00:01.45 | abrotman | jetscreamer: easy |
| 00:01.48 | karsten | linuxtk10: Don't let them run root. Don't put anything into the chroot which might let them run as root. |
| 00:01.50 | dvs | the question is why? |
| 00:01.51 | UncleD | PerfDave: vncserver shows to be running. putty works as far as sshing into my box but I am unclear how to set up the port forwarding to do as you said. |
| 00:02.05 | abrotman | Kaiten4: did you remove the whole line ? |
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| 00:02.14 | Kaiten4 | oh |
| 00:02.14 | Kaiten4 | no |
| 00:02.27 | linuxtk10 | karsten: is their any way 1 can break out ? |
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| 00:02.38 | jetscreamer | not 'get' exactly ... i don't want to get one, just 'based on ubuntu' seems kinda... wrong. |
| 00:02.56 | karsten | linuxtk10: root can arbitrarially break out of a chroot. Other users will generally need a privilege escalation exploit. The less that's in the chroot, the better. |
| 00:03.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: luckily .. based on based on debian is definitely OT :) |
| 00:03.18 | Kaiten4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.29 | jetscreamer | fix it Kaiten4 ! |
| 00:03.31 | Kaiten4 | the whole line is gone |
| 00:03.58 | azeem | Kaiten4: paste the paragraph again |
| 00:04.59 | Kaiten4 | http://pastebin.com/m246d218 |
| 00:05.07 | jetscreamer | i am a debian user. i live breathe eat & shit debian. therefore, anything i say is on topic... :) |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | the status is messed again |
| 00:05.33 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you sound delusional |
| 00:05.37 | linuxtk10 | ok |
| 00:05.43 | linuxtk10 | is their anyway i cna resize swap ? |
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| 00:05.46 | solitude| | is OT on topic or off topic? :/ |
| 00:05.47 | jetscreamer | it's just the headache making me seem so |
| 00:05.53 | abrotman | linuxtk10: just make more |
| 00:05.55 | azeem | Kaiten4: wait, that's another package |
| 00:05.59 | jetscreamer | off if you were serious |
| 00:06.01 | Kaiten4 | fuck |
| 00:06.04 | m1ke_l | how can i watch what spawns when i start a service? |
| 00:06.08 | solitude| | i was |
| 00:06.44 | jetscreamer | if you just need more swap, use a swapfile |
| 00:06.46 | azeem | Kaiten4: editing the status database by hand is really a last resort |
| 00:06.54 | jetscreamer | !swapfile |
| 00:07.02 | jetscreamer | hmmm a virgin factoid |
| 00:07.05 | linuxtk10 | abrotman: ok basically i have 3 partitions i have a boot swap and ext2 filesystem for my real system ................boot is like 50 mb i need to make it like 400 ............but im running the real file system so maybe i could resize swap add that to boot put what i need to in there and yea |
| 00:07.16 | Supaplex|roaming | !ep |
| 00:07.16 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 00:07.18 | linuxtk10 | does linux need a swap to boot ? |
| 00:07.22 | jetscreamer | no |
| 00:07.23 | Kaiten4 | APT IS WORKING |
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| 00:07.30 | linuxtk10 | sweet i will jus do that then |
| 00:07.34 | Supaplex|roaming | apt: test |
| 00:07.35 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 00:07.47 | jetscreamer | if the 2 partitions are contiguous, you can just mv stuff and del the 2 parts then make new ones |
| 00:07.47 | Kaiten4 | azeem, it worked! |
| 00:07.56 | Kaiten4 | happy dance |
| 00:07.59 | azeem | Kaiten4: run debsums on that package again |
| 00:08.05 | jetscreamer | you can use swapfiles also |
| 00:08.07 | azeem | and figure out whether its files are actually installed or not |
| 00:08.22 | Kaiten4 | debsums: package linux-image-2.6.21.custom is not installed |
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| 00:08.29 | azeem | thihi |
| 00:08.41 | azeem | Kaiten4: what does dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.21.custom | tail -1 say? |
| 00:09.01 | jetscreamer | it says man kernel-pkg.conf |
| 00:09.16 | Kaiten4 | No packages found matching linux-image-2.6.21.custom |
| 00:09.16 | jetscreamer | in big letters |
| 00:09.38 | PerfDave | UncleD: The PuTTY documentation for port forwarding is pretty good. |
| 00:09.44 | azeem | Kaiten4: did you reamove the whole paragraph from status? |
| 00:09.48 | Kaiten4 | no |
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| 00:09.51 | Kaiten4 | just the config |
| 00:09.54 | Kaiten4 | weird but works |
| 00:09.56 | Kaiten4 | have to go! |
| 00:10.00 | Kaiten4 | thanks for the help everyone |
| 00:10.25 | azeem | Kaiten4: cheers, keep an eye out on that one |
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| 00:11.14 | sergino | hola soy nuevo y hablo espaƱol |
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| 00:11.32 | dvs | !es |
| 00:11.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 00:11.52 | sergino | ok tahank |
| 00:11.58 | sergino | tahank |
| 00:12.01 | musya | does anybody know any good tutorials for setting up a repository server? |
| 00:12.03 | sergino | thank |
| 00:12.12 | musya | like cvs, or svn not sure what the difference is |
| 00:12.36 | musya | i just need a server where i can update my code to and from, from different machines |
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| 00:12.56 | UncleD | PerfDave: so startx isnt the trick once i'm ssh'd in eh. I need to do this port forwarding biz. |
| 00:13.25 | UncleD | PerfDave: Im simply using putty as a means to port forward and realVNC to actually access the X server |
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| 00:17.09 | PerfDave | UncleD: Yes |
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| 00:17.48 | PerfDave | UncleD: It's roth noting that if you were connecting from a Debian machine, xvncviewer will do the SSH and portforwarding for you : |
| 00:19.10 | abrotman | PerfDave: shouldn't you be sleeping ? |
| 00:19.21 | PerfDave | abrotman: I'm watching Brazil on BBC2 |
| 00:19.28 | abrotman | ah |
| 00:19.29 | PerfDave | abrotman: And plotting my holiday to Ireland next week :) |
| 00:19.36 | abrotman | plotting? |
| 00:19.41 | abrotman | an invasion! |
| 00:20.05 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yeah, me and Dave Bastard are going to invade Ireland and walk around pretty bits of it. |
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| 00:20.13 | abrotman | PerfDave: eve ? |
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| 00:20.27 | PerfDave | abrotman: No, she's going down to Lucy's for the week |
| 00:20.32 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:21.34 | Bogus8 | how is it an rsync command fails in a script but if I echo that line out and then copy and paste that line it works fine |
| 00:21.47 | musya | anybody about the repos? |
| 00:21.48 | PerfDave | Bogus8: Escaping of shell characters? |
| 00:21.51 | Bogus8 | only change I make is I added --progress so I can see it actually work |
| 00:21.56 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: depends on the exit code |
| 00:22.15 | Bogus8 | PerfDave: I do have some escapping \ for quotes on my -e ssh switch |
| 00:22.29 | Bogus8 | is that not the proper way to do it in a script? |
| 00:22.41 | Bogus8 | I just used echo to test the escaping part |
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| 00:22.49 | PerfDave | Bogus8: Why don't you paste your script to http://channels.debian.net/paste ? |
| 00:22.59 | Bogus8 | rsync error: unexplained error (code 130) at rsync.c(271) [sender=2.6.9] |
| 00:23.11 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: as noted in the rsync docs/man pages, it suffers the same caveats as scp. in that regard. |
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| 00:23.21 | Supaplex|roaming | interesting... |
| 00:23.36 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: hmm, I didn't check that out... I just assumed it should work :D |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | taking a whiz ? |
| 00:25.11 | Bogus8 | rsync -a -e "ssh -l user -p 89 -i /home/user/.ssh/id_dsa" /home/ezbis/Backups/Wed-INC.tar.gz <server address>:/home/user/backups/ |
| 00:25.31 | Bogus8 | that's the line in the script (obviously I "edited" a few things) |
| 00:25.37 | Supaplex|roaming | abrotman: polishing off an energy drink :) |
| 00:26.17 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: I don't spot any issue with that. I wonder what error 130 is about |
| 00:26.56 | Bogus8 | wait.. that's not right... that's the resulting line... let me get the variables I stored |
| 00:27.32 | Bogus8 | RSYNCOPTIONS="-a -e \"ssh -l user -p 89 -i /home/user/.ssh/id_dsa\"" |
| 00:27.44 | Bogus8 | that's the only line it could be |
| 00:27.48 | Bogus8 | due to the escapes |
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| 00:30.03 | Supaplex|roaming | DISC rawkz. |
| 00:30.25 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: I was just searching the rsync man pages... what exactly am I looking for? |
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| 00:30.40 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: what kind of terminal is it running in? crontab? screen? script(1)? |
| 00:30.55 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: I don't see any issue with your invocation |
| 00:31.12 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: It's a script that will eventually be running from cron.daily but right now I'm just running it from bash |
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| 00:31.43 | bulio| | will debian running on a 667mhz cpu and 128mb of ram run fun with xfce4? |
| 00:31.51 | bulio| | Its currently running windows xp |
| 00:31.59 | Bogus8 | bulio|: it will run better than XP does |
| 00:32.03 | Bogus8 | WAY better |
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| 00:32.43 | bulio| | Bogus8: how about compared to xubuntu |
| 00:33.09 | abrotman | bulio|: ask them |
| 00:33.12 | Bogus8 | bulio|: I ran it on a 600mhz laptop with 192mb ram and it never hit the swap file even and I was running Open Office and Opera with like 30 tabs open |
| 00:33.26 | Bogus8 | bulio|: can't answer that but I imagine it would be similar |
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| 00:33.50 | Bogus8 | bulio|: you can't compare a live cd's performance though.. I assume you know that |
| 00:35.08 | Supaplex|roaming | bulio|: I had a 166mhz laptop with 32mb ram that ran ok with flwm+dillo+swapd on a 540mb disk |
| 00:35.32 | Supaplex|roaming | it was a tight fit for the disk, but it ran for awhile |
| 00:36.06 | Bogus8 | I was amazed at how well that 600mhz laptop was running |
| 00:36.23 | Bogus8 | I had been running windows 2000 on it for years |
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| 00:36.41 | Supaplex|roaming | it was pretty slick on my 166mhz laptop to. but I avoided FF because of the serious ram limitations |
| 00:37.09 | Bogus8 | yeah, I had 192... which seems small but like I said with TONS of stuff running it never hit the swap |
| 00:37.14 | karsten | Troubleshooting SSH: I can connect to a host (connection established w/ ssh -v), but no progress after "debug1: identify file .." displayed. For multiple minutes. |
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| 00:39.10 | Bogus8 | karsten: do you have keys in your .ssh directory? |
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| 00:39.27 | xjkx | I cant make thunderbird read hotmail :< i even installed hotwayd+webmail-extension but it says "you must to pay to access webdav" or something WTF |
| 00:39.51 | Supaplex|roaming | !lart hotmail |
| 00:40.05 | Supaplex|roaming | how fitting. |
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| 00:41.15 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: any clue on my rsync issue? |
| 00:42.12 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: no. I had a similar issue when running on top of script(1). what terminal are you in? text console? xterm? |
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| 00:42.43 | fas3r | good night every body |
| 00:42.44 | fas3r | see you tomorrow |
| 00:42.45 | Bogus8 | ssh'd in from a gnome-term |
| 00:42.46 | fas3r | +++ |
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| 00:43.21 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: does gnome-term have any kind of scroll back history? |
| 00:43.30 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: being a script shouldn't it run under the scripts term #!/bin/bash in this case |
| 00:43.37 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: sure |
| 00:44.31 | netdu1 | I want to get some clue on how apt solve packages dependent thing, is this right channel? |
| 00:45.17 | Bogus8 | netdu1: I'm certainly no expert but I would guess the maintainer puts in a list of "required" apps and then apt is coded to add those |
| 00:45.23 | abrotman | netdu1: you'd probably get more out of reading the source |
| 00:45.51 | Supaplex|roaming | Bogus8: you might want to run 'whatis script' to get what I mean about script(1). Is there a lot of text printed when it fails? (That's why I'm courious about history scrollback) |
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| 00:45.55 | netdu1 | just wants general idea |
| 00:46.10 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: negative, just that one line I've already pasted |
| 00:46.48 | Supaplex|roaming | very strange. |
| 00:47.10 | netdu1 | say, package A uses library from package B, installing A would also installs B... in perfect world, removing A would also removes B, apt do this? |
| 00:47.27 | abrotman | aptitude does .. and recent versions of apt-get can |
| 00:47.47 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: it says "nothing appropriate" |
| 00:48.14 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: I did just run it with sh -x <script> and it spit out the command and it looks just as it should :( |
| 00:48.49 | Bogus8 | wait, it's an echo version not the real version |
| 00:48.52 | netdu1 | ok, now A and B both installed... then I installed C which uses library from B as well, what will happen on removing package A? |
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| 00:49.04 | abrotman | B stays .. so does C |
| 00:49.04 | UncleD | PerfDave: I'm very close now. I got putty to port forward and am now connected to my unix server through RealVNC->Putty Secure Port Forwarding->Actual Machine |
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| 00:49.26 | UncleD | PerfDave: Now, my final problem is getting X to start. http://pastie.caboo.se/92271 <-- check that out. |
| 00:49.39 | UncleD | I'm getting 4 errors and the error loading screen message still. |
| 00:50.19 | Bogus8 | ok, I think I'm seeing some issues with some extra ' put in there in wierd places |
| 00:50.26 | netdu1 | so apt check every package dep. every time user remove some random packages? |
| 00:50.39 | abrotman | netdu1: depends which front end you use |
| 00:50.57 | netdu1 | apt-get |
| 00:51.13 | Supaplex|roaming | netdu1: are you worried about apt removing packages still in use? or not removing packages that appear to be no longer needed? |
| 00:51.32 | netdu1 | removing package is use |
| 00:51.39 | netdu1 | in use |
| 00:51.40 | abrotman | not likely |
| 00:51.53 | Supaplex|roaming | netdu1: it shouldn't. at any rate, it asks for confirmation before you continue. |
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| 00:52.31 | Supaplex|roaming | and if it ever asks you to type more than y/n (like a whole phrase) be very afraid of braking your system. |
| 00:53.08 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: apparently you don't have to escape double qoutes in a varaible... like my -e \"ssh blah blah blah\" |
| 00:53.27 | Bogus8 | just need to put the regular double quotes with no slashes |
| 00:53.34 | Bogus8 | looks like I over thought it ;) |
| 00:53.40 | Supaplex|roaming | or use single quotes |
| 00:53.49 | Bogus8 | I tried that.. it didn't like those either |
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| 00:54.35 | Bogus8 | I would have thought that if I put VAR="something"and"something else" it would have just seen the first something and then ended on the first set of "close" quotes |
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| 00:56.56 | Bogus8 | Supaplex|roaming: ah, nope still no good... I just didn't notice it didn't have ANY of my $RSYNCOPTIONS variable in there... so it was trying with default port and user/id_dsa :( |
| 00:57.42 | Bogus8 | it did escape out after my first "closing" double quotes |
| 00:57.44 | Bogus8 | grr |
| 00:59.09 | UncleD | PerfDave: Success at last!!!!! |
| 00:59.17 | Bogus8 | so what is the proper way to put qoutes in a variable that will be passed onto a command later in a script? |
| 00:59.20 | UncleD | PerfDave: Im connected thank you :) |
| 00:59.45 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: \ and have the variable in "" |
| 01:00.06 | geo-rge | hello |
| 01:00.13 | abrotman | bob! |
| 01:00.22 | geo-rge | joe! |
| 01:00.23 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: that's what I'm doing, I have RSYNCOPTIONS="-a -e \"ssh -l user -p 89 -i /home/user/.ssh/id_dsa\"" |
| 01:00.39 | geo-rge | my 10/100 hub works :) |
| 01:00.39 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: and then what are you calling rsync with? |
| 01:01.08 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: in this case though, you'll have better luck with RSYNCOPTIONS="... 'ssh -l ...'" |
| 01:01.09 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: rsync $RSYNCOPTIONS $BACKUPDIR/$DOW-INC.tar.gz $BKUPSERVER:$CLIENTDIR/ |
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| 01:02.05 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: that still gives me the same problem... just looks different when looking at what is spit out with sh -x |
| 01:02.16 | Bogus8 | + rsync -a -e ''\''ssh' -l |
| 01:02.21 | Bogus8 | that's what happened that time |
| 01:02.49 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: you don't escape the ' |
| 01:02.53 | Bogus8 | I didn't |
| 01:03.05 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: RSYNCOPTIONS="-a -e 'ssh -l |
| 01:03.08 | Bogus8 | that's my line |
| 01:03.14 | Bogus8 | truncated of course |
| 01:03.18 | padd173 | Something bad happened to my unicode database once I upgraded to Debian 4 (from 3) - can someone please point to a relevant article on the web if they know what I'm talking about? thx |
| 01:04.05 | Supaplex|roaming | padd173: what kind of database? postgresql? mysql? what versions of software? |
| 01:04.22 | padd173 | mysql |
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| 01:04.29 | padd173 | version 5.0 (from version 4.1) |
| 01:05.35 | auto359 | is there a package available for debian that can stress/load a webserver for testing |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | apache |
| 01:05.48 | jetscreamer | iirc i've seen one |
| 01:05.51 | abrotman | there's an 'ab' utility |
| 01:05.54 | Supaplex|roaming | abrotman: apache benchmark. |
| 01:05.57 | jetscreamer | try apt-cache search stress |
| 01:06.00 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 01:06.00 | Supaplex|roaming | abrotman: my bad. |
| 01:06.02 | jetscreamer | even better |
| 01:06.06 | abrotman | Supaplex|roaming: it's in the apache package :) or maybe apache2 |
| 01:06.13 | abrotman | !find bin/ab$ etch |
| 01:06.18 | auto359 | abrotman: i am not using apache |
| 01:06.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ab' (1): (/usr/sbin/ab) in net/apache2-utils. |
| 01:06.27 | Supaplex|roaming | auto359: like I was telling abrotman - ab aka apache benchmark |
| 01:06.30 | abrotman | auto359: then apt-cache search web stress |
| 01:06.37 | auto359 | jetscreamer: thanks |
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| 01:06.52 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: any other suggestions? |
| 01:07.23 | padd173 | Supaplex|roaming? |
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| 01:08.23 | Supaplex|roaming | padd173: I don't know. my upgrades when w/o a hitch (and I made backups before hand). try http://bugs.debian.org/ |
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| 01:09.21 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: you want eval rsync blah blah blah |
| 01:09.28 | yurimxpxman | do any of you know what the status of using OOXML files in OpenOffice.org is? |
| 01:09.33 | jetscreamer | vigor - nvi with the evil paperclip |
| 01:09.38 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 01:10.05 | Supaplex|roaming | hahaha |
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| 01:10.42 | Supaplex|roaming | !be nmap paperclip |
| 01:10.43 | dpkg | "Hi, I'm nmap, the dancing paperclip of unix internet security! Huh huh huh! Here's a list of open ports. I can't tell what's running on them, but I'm going to tell you what some people LIKE to run on them and mislead you into thinking that's what you're actually running when, truth be told, there's no way I can tell! Ready? Here goes!" |
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| 01:11.09 | karsten | Bogus8: Yes |
| 01:11.29 | auto359 | jetscreamer: Hammerhead for stress testing |
| 01:11.37 | jetscreamer | !info seige |
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| 01:11.48 | Bogus8 | karsten: huh? |
| 01:12.08 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 01:12.08 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 01:12.17 | geo-rge | !breast |
| 01:12.23 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex|roaming: nmap actually can do rudimentary service detection |
| 01:12.24 | jetscreamer | !info siege |
| 01:12.27 | dpkg | siege: (Http regression testing and benchmarking utility), section web, is optional. Version: 2.65-4 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 150 kB |
| 01:12.29 | jetscreamer | <--can't spell |
| 01:12.32 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: eval? Not sure how to use that... no man file either :( |
| 01:12.40 | Supaplex|roaming | !factinfo be nmap paperclip |
| 01:12.40 | dpkg | be nmap paperclip -- created by EdibleText <~EdibleTex@h-66-166-193-50.nycmny83.covad.net> at Tue Jun 28 20:23:05 2005 (792 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by Supaplex|roaming, 1m 58s ago. |
| 01:12.40 | databuddy | Fact: The image of the king used in most standard decks of playing cards is said to have been based on Charles I, the English monarch who was beheaded in 1649 |
| 01:12.41 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: man bash; |
| 01:13.02 | geo-rge | what's a databuddy?\ |
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| 01:13.07 | abrotman | !factinfo blah |
| 01:13.07 | dpkg | blah -- created by dondelelcaro <~don@archimedes.urmc.rochester.edu> at Thu Sep 12 21:16:18 2002 (1812 days); last modified at Sat Mar 22 01:57:22 2003 by bob2!~rob@203-31-48-99.netspeed.com.au; it has been requested 72 times, last by RockerMONO at Fri Aug 17 10:11:11 2007. |
| 01:13.07 | databuddy | Fact: There is approximately one chicken for every human being in the world |
| 01:13.12 | abrotman | just wondering |
| 01:13.16 | jetscreamer | kinda like an ipod but different? |
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| 01:13.39 | jetscreamer | an ipod mixed with 'my buddy' |
| 01:13.42 | jetscreamer | the doll |
| 01:13.47 | geo-rge | databuddy; AR YEW UN IPOOD? |
| 01:14.02 | Supaplex|roaming | hahaha |
| 01:14.20 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: forget be nmap paperclip |
| 01:14.21 | dpkg | i forgot be nmap paperclip, dondelelcaro |
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| 01:15.35 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: still not getting it... it seems like I might need to use that to put the arguements together for rsync so it doesn't add those single quotes? |
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| 01:15.46 | Bogus8 | but man bash is still quite vague on what to do with eval |
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| 01:15.59 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: RSYNC="-a -e 'ssh -l user -p 89 -i /home/user/.ssh/id_dsa'"; eval rsync ${RSYNC} foo bar; |
| 01:15.59 | databuddy | wierd |
| 01:16.07 | databuddy | dondelelcaro: sorry i forgot i even had that |
| 01:16.31 | dotCOMmie | anyone know if there is a socket limit for a user on linux? |
| 01:16.48 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: do I need that trailing ; ? |
| 01:16.49 | Supaplex|roaming | !facttesting databuddy :P |
| 01:16.55 | Supaplex|roaming | yay. no noise. |
| 01:16.59 | geo-rge | you're limited to one socket per foot |
| 01:17.33 | jetscreamer | 3/8ths or 1/2inch drive? |
| 01:17.59 | padd173 | How do I change the locales on my system? |
| 01:18.08 | geo-rge | just like bill clinyton |
| 01:18.10 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 01:18.13 | geo-rge | 's cat sockets |
| 01:18.16 | dondelelcaro | !locales |
| 01:18.16 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 01:18.16 | dotCOMmie | is there a better place to ask this question? |
| 01:18.19 | padd173 | thx |
| 01:18.21 | jetscreamer | see also dpkg-reconfigure console-date |
| 01:18.25 | jetscreamer | err data |
| 01:18.31 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: there really isn't, though there are open FD limits |
| 01:18.47 | jetscreamer | it's my cat! dot commie!! |
| 01:18.56 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: see ulimit; (selinux may be able to add them, but I don't know for certain) |
| 01:18.56 | jetscreamer | you fat thing |
| 01:18.58 | dotCOMmie | jetscreamer: you said that before! |
| 01:18.59 | dotCOMmie | d: |
| 01:19.02 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: sh -x looks like it's running the right rsync line but it goes through WAY to fast |
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| 01:19.26 | dotCOMmie | dondelelcaro: appears that a user on our system is only able to open 256 sockets |
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| 01:19.49 | geo-rge | -only- 256? |
| 01:20.09 | dotCOMmie | geo-rge: depends on what you are in doing.. in this case its LOW |
| 01:20.19 | dotCOMmie | geo-rge: its a 240 node cluster |
| 01:20.47 | geo-rge | so if that user has 256, and you log in as a different user, can that user open a socket? |
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| 01:20.57 | dotCOMmie | think so |
| 01:21.04 | dotCOMmie | let me su to him see if I can open something |
| 01:21.19 | geo-rge | irrelevent... want the true answer |
| 01:21.35 | dotCOMmie | geo-rge: 1 sec and I'll get you 2 |
| 01:21.36 | geo-rge | "think so" bad juju |
| 01:21.41 | geo-rge | :) |
| 01:22.12 | dotCOMmie | hmm |
| 01:22.17 | dotCOMmie | another one opened |
| 01:22.22 | dotCOMmie | or 10 |
| 01:22.33 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: ah... it's actually working... just rsync was making it go fast since there was no change since the last time I used it ;) |
| 01:22.38 | dotCOMmie | ok maybe its not a limit .. just an incidentally nice number |
| 01:22.39 | geo-rge | or more to the point... not good juju... not bad juju... probably not juju at all |
| 01:23.05 | dotCOMmie | geo-rge: I was able to ssh the node as another user |
| 01:23.08 | geo-rge | so sometimes you can go over 256 as the same user? |
| 01:23.15 | dotCOMmie | geo-rge: |
| 01:23.18 | dotCOMmie | geo-rge: yes |
| 01:23.27 | geo-rge | ok |
| 01:23.34 | jetscreamer | of-the-jun-gle |
| 01:23.41 | dotCOMmie | geo-rge: sudo ~/lsof -i|grep USERNAME|wc -l returns 267 |
| 01:24.42 | geo-rge | well I'd say an exploration of how and why that can be limited sometimes is in oredr |
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| 01:25.42 | dotCOMmie | I guess it could be limited by something else |
| 01:25.54 | dotCOMmie | such as say fd opened by processes |
| 01:26.03 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot... and thanks to everyone else that gave it a go... "eval" was what I needed to make rsync work |
| 01:26.27 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: there is a 1024 limit on FDs concurrently opened by a single process |
| 01:26.40 | dondelelcaro | (but frankly, there's really no reason for a single process to have that many FDs open) |
| 01:27.00 | geo-rge | no usual reason that is |
| 01:27.35 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: that can be increased, though |
| 01:27.38 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 01:27.53 | dondelelcaro | heh. good luck doing so |
| 01:28.18 | dotCOMmie | In this case I dont really care if the limit is rediculously high users will just shoot themselves in the foot if they fuck up |
| 01:28.46 | dotCOMmie | and if they crash a shitload of machines I'll just rm their account |
| 01:29.00 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: what's the actual problem though? I mean, what's the user trying to do? |
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| 01:29.05 | ameyer | awesome, I got a spam that Iceweasel can't decide if it's from 2036 or 1899... |
| 01:29.41 | ameyer | erm, icedove |
| 01:29.57 | dotCOMmie | dondelelcaro: this is a cluster. a shitload of proccesses need to talk to eachother on shitload of machines |
| 01:30.11 | dvs | dotCOMmie: no shit? |
| 01:30.23 | dotCOMmie | dvs: WTF? |
| 01:30.41 | dvs | dotCOMmie: you're using a cluster? must be nice. |
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| 01:31.40 | rovello | buenas noches |
| 01:32.00 | dotCOMmie | night |
| 01:32.12 | geo-rge | hi. |
| 01:32.20 | rovello | hot night! |
| 01:32.23 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: yeah, but that's not telling me which limit you're running into or the behavoir you're seeing |
| 01:32.32 | rovello | del xiringiiiiitooooo |
| 01:32.38 | rovello | ups |
| 01:33.08 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 01:33.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:35.21 | dotCOMmie | dondelelcaro: I'm not exactly sure I'm running into limits, its just a hunch that I have. There are a few proccess on the head node that open a shitload of nodes to talk to slave compute nodes. |
| 01:35.53 | dotCOMmie | sorry by head node I mean master compute node |
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| 01:36.34 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: well, if they're running into specific limits they should be returning errors like ENFILE or simlar |
| 01:36.53 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: which (unless the process are coded crapily) should be being logged. |
| 01:36.56 | dotCOMmie | there are times when slave compute nodes talk to master compute node and hit errno=111 (connection refused) |
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| 01:37.19 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: how many slaves do you have? |
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| 01:37.50 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: do they tend to keep the socket open? or do they connect talk, then close? |
| 01:38.08 | jetscreamer | she has no reply |
| 01:38.16 | dotCOMmie | dondelelcaro: this is actually a 3-tier hiearchy, but the master node has about 270 sockets open |
| 01:38.39 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: the number of sockets open really isn't a problem, the question is how many are in the connectino backlog at a single time |
| 01:38.52 | dotCOMmie | dondelelcaro: they open sockets as needed but do not close them untill everything is completed |
| 01:38.55 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: in any event, you can probably mitigate some of that by increasing /proc/sys/net/core/somaxx |
| 01:39.09 | dondelelcaro | s/xx/xconn/ |
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| 01:40.45 | dotCOMmie | dondelelcaro: is there a man page for this or something? |
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| 01:40.58 | Supaplex|roaming | like sysctl? |
| 01:41.03 | dotCOMmie | I'd like to understand what's meant by connmax |
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| 01:41.35 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: man listen |
| 01:41.35 | Supaplex|roaming | kernel docs, source, manual, google |
| 01:43.00 | jetscreamer | max connections? |
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| 01:44.33 | dotCOMmie | thanks all, I'll try RTFM from here on in. |
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| 01:49.25 | spheard | anyone tell me what DHT is on k torrent? |
| 01:50.03 | abrotman | acronymfinder.com ? |
| 01:50.36 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.45 | jetscreamer | distributed hash tracking |
| 01:51.02 | jetscreamer | and that's applicable to *torrent |
| 01:51.14 | abrotman | my answer was better |
| 01:51.19 | jetscreamer | true |
| 01:51.23 | abrotman | Distributed Hash Table (network storage) |
| 01:52.03 | jetscreamer | probably table though |
| 01:52.16 | jetscreamer | or at least that makes sense |
| 01:52.32 | pickcoder | Donut Hording Turtles |
| 01:52.43 | abrotman | bastards |
| 01:52.47 | jetscreamer | no, donut HURLing turtles |
| 01:52.58 | pickcoder | even better |
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| 01:53.10 | pickcoder | to go with the pomegranet throwing monkeys |
| 01:53.13 | abrotman | donut hunting turtles ? |
| 01:53.22 | jetscreamer | hurding |
| 01:53.25 | abrotman | (obviously not a high action sport) |
| 01:53.52 | pickcoder | slow-mo shots can be taken quite easily |
| 01:53.54 | jetscreamer | i hurd that's punny |
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| 01:54.49 | abrotman | maybe spheard is downloading "Don Ho Tracks" |
| 01:55.06 | jetscreamer | btw-ot: wow, you really can watch movies over lan |
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| 01:56.22 | dvs01 | turtles |
| 01:56.31 | explody | jetscreamer: sure, especially gbit.. even HD DVD doesn't spit out anywhere near 25MB/s |
| 01:56.42 | dvs01 | i watch movies over internet |
| 01:56.52 | dvs01 | my gf and i have the same isp |
| 01:56.59 | dvs01 | 30mbit down, 5mbit up |
| 01:57.09 | dvs01 | when im at her house, i can watch dvd isos directly via sshfs mount |
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| 01:57.23 | explody | FIOS |
| 01:57.29 | dvs01 | nah, optimum online boost |
| 01:57.39 | explody | ooh better |
| 01:57.48 | dvs01 | it uses up like 450-500KB/s+ to watch a dvd |
| 01:57.54 | explody | I'd be excited about FIOS except it involves giving Verizon money |
| 01:57.56 | solitude| | abrotman, i have aworking etch system, if i change sources.list to unstable, nd install cpmpiz fusion, then revert the sources back to etch, will i run into problems? |
| 01:57.58 | dvs01 | but a divx usually hovers around 100-200K/s |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | solitude|: likely yes |
| 01:58.26 | explody | solitude|: yes |
| 01:58.33 | abrotman | !tell solitude| about simple sid backport |
| 01:58.55 | solitude| | !tell backports |
| 01:59.04 | solitude| | [02:58:20] <dpkg> No, solitude|, I won't. (target invalid?) ? |
| 01:59.13 | solitude| | !tell solitude| backports |
| 01:59.21 | abrotman | !tell solitude| about simple sid backports |
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| 01:59.47 | solitude| | ah, thanks abrotman |
| 02:00.05 | xjkx | I cant make thunderbird read hotmail :< i even installed hotwayd+webmail-extension but it says "you must to pay to access webdav" or something WTF |
| 02:00.35 | silvertip257 | How can I set my LCD (on laptop) so that it will not go into pwrsave mode/go black when the idle time is reached? |
| 02:00.47 | spheard | thanks for the insight into donut hurling |
| 02:00.52 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell xjkx -about bts |
| 02:01.15 | jetscreamer | gah ok wtf. i mounted cifs. it worked with my fstab line. i umounted and rebooted. i went to work. i messed around some. now i try to mount it, and ... mount error 13 = Permission denied. Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) |
| 02:01.32 | xjkx | Supaplex|roaming: i downloaded from website :> |
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| 02:01.55 | explody | I wish progeny had succeeded :\ |
| 02:02.00 | Supaplex|roaming | xjkx: try it with the debian package (if there's one). |
| 02:02.14 | xjkx | theres not, its an extension |
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| 02:02.34 | gargantua | where's the x configuration file located again? |
| 02:02.46 | explody | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 02:03.06 | Supaplex|roaming | if it's xorg. otherwise it's too old for anyone to care. :) |
| 02:03.21 | gargantua | duh |
| 02:03.25 | gargantua | thanks guy |
| 02:03.28 | explody | I found some archived X11R5 configs yesterday |
| 02:03.39 | jetscreamer | so wtf is error 13, or where is the doc, and is that client or server side |
| 02:03.42 | spheard | dht trickery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Content_Distribution_Network |
| 02:04.04 | jetscreamer | XF86Config-4 if nonxorg |
| 02:04.09 | jetscreamer | err notxorg |
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| 02:04.59 | explody | or XF86Config |
| 02:05.28 | explody | I've already EOL'd xfree86, I only offer support for xorg now :P |
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| 02:07.39 | solitude| | anyone knowthe name of the gnome applet that can control compiz? |
| 02:08.04 | Supaplex|roaming | I heard it was a user ;) |
| 02:08.54 | spheard | my god i need more ram |
| 02:08.58 | bjorkimacg3 | mplayer's complaining about my -vo... what gives? |
| 02:09.46 | jetscreamer | duh pebkac.... my ip changed |
| 02:10.32 | jetscreamer | like what -vo are you giving |
| 02:10.37 | jetscreamer | but #mplayer |
| 02:11.19 | bjorkimacg3 | none. i expected it to work. |
| 02:11.26 | jetscreamer | well DOH |
| 02:11.33 | bjorkimacg3 | it always has. |
| 02:11.45 | bjorkimacg3 | what would you give it if you were a li'l smatter? |
| 02:11.48 | jetscreamer | try giving it a -vo arg |
| 02:11.49 | bjorkimacg3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.21 | jetscreamer | i just play with em... not sure the names.. -vo x11 or so.... need a link? |
| 02:12.38 | bjorkimacg3 | i've tried a few of those. |
| 02:12.42 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/index.html |
| 02:12.49 | jetscreamer | i could only get a couple to work |
| 02:12.54 | jetscreamer | cvidix iirc |
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| 02:13.49 | jetscreamer | try the x11 one too, i think that one worked for me... it works great in console with vesa |
| 02:14.09 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 02:14.21 | jetscreamer | but /join #mplayer i don't know wtf i'm talking about |
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| 02:19.57 | relaxed | almost everyone should use -vo xv' with mplayer. |
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| 02:29.29 | linuxtk10 | i am trying ot install php5 |
| 02:29.30 | linuxtk10 | how can i do that without |
| 02:29.40 | linuxtk10 | apache2-utils |
| 02:29.47 | linuxtk10 | apache2.2-common |
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| 02:30.00 | linuxtk10 | libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 02:30.05 | linuxtk10 | how can i exclude these ? |
| 02:30.52 | linuxtk10 | anyone ? |
| 02:31.35 | Supaplex|roaming | use the php-cli ? |
| 02:32.26 | linuxtk10 | huh ? |
| 02:32.36 | linuxtk10 | Supaplex|roaming: apt-get is trying to install apache stuff |
| 02:32.38 | abrotman | use php5-cli |
| 02:32.43 | linuxtk10 | i already have lighttpd running |
| 02:32.47 | linuxtk10 | i dont want any apache stuff |
| 02:33.06 | abrotman | jesus |
| 02:33.15 | abrotman | linuxtk10: INSTALL PHP5-CLI |
| 02:33.33 | Supaplex|roaming | !+info php5-cli |
| 02:33.37 | dpkg | php5-cli: (command-line interpreter for the php5 scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.3-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 2461 kB, Installed size: 5372 kB |
| 02:33.40 | linuxtk10 | what is that gonna do ? |
| 02:33.44 | linuxtk10 | actually i am sorry |
| 02:33.48 | linuxtk10 | i need php5-cgi |
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| 02:34.02 | Supaplex|roaming | then quit installing an apache module. |
| 02:34.13 | linuxtk10 | its pulling it in |
| 02:34.15 | linuxtk10 | look |
| 02:34.23 | Supaplex|roaming | I seriously doubt you've chose the right one (or that the deps are malformed) |
| 02:34.31 | linuxtk10 | php5-cgi pulls in php5-common and thats pulls im the apache crap |
| 02:34.37 | Solet | does the debian "database system" install php? |
| 02:34.55 | linuxtk10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | linuxtk10: install php5-cli |
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| 02:35.12 | linuxtk10 | how is the CLI gonna do any good ? |
| 02:35.23 | linuxtk10 | i need it to be FCGI enabled |
| 02:35.23 | abrotman | okay then |
| 02:35.26 | linuxtk10 | ^^ |
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| 02:35.44 | linuxtk10 | uless the php5-cli is also fcgi enabled but i really doubt it |
| 02:36.05 | linuxtk10 | highly highly doubt it |
| 02:36.05 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: php5-cgi should depend on some generic 'www-server', which any webserver should provide. did you use apt for it to? otherwise, we're looking at a bug reports. (see bts) |
| 02:36.20 | linuxtk10 | yep |
| 02:36.22 | linuxtk10 | try it |
| 02:36.28 | linuxtk10 | apt-get install php-cgi |
| 02:36.39 | linuxtk10 | it will bring in php5-common which brings in apache2-common |
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| 02:36.50 | abrotman | !depends php5-common etch |
| 02:36.52 | Supaplex|roaming | I can't try it. I'm on a mac. see the roaming? man reportbug. help yourself. |
| 02:36.53 | dpkg | php5-common: depends on sed (>= 4.1.1-1) |
| 02:37.01 | abrotman | yes .. must be php5-common |
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| 02:37.33 | linuxtk10 | i dont care about a repoting bug i just want to knwo if its possible to exclude :P |
| 02:37.53 | abrotman | !depends php5-cgi |
| 02:37.57 | dpkg | php5-cgi: depends on libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.5-5), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libdb4.4, libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.1), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8e-1), libxml2 (>= 2.6.29), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), mime-support (>= 2.03-1), php5-common (= 5.2.3-1+b1), libmagic1, ucf |
| 02:38.02 | Supaplex|roaming | if it's a confirmed bug, and you dont care to report it, noone cares to fix it. |
| 02:38.16 | linuxtk10 | php5-common pulls in the apache2-common |
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| 02:38.20 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 02:38.23 | abrotman | it only depends on sed |
| 02:38.23 | weasel00 | whats the package name for gc++ ... i have forgotten =( |
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| 02:38.25 | linuxtk10 | !depends php5-common |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | !b-e weasel00 |
| 02:38.28 | dpkg | weasel00: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 02:38.29 | dpkg | php5-common: depends on sed (>= 4.1.1-1) |
| 02:38.32 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 02:38.40 | linuxtk10 | ? |
| 02:38.42 | linuxtk10 | try it |
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| 02:38.45 | abrotman | i get a beer! |
| 02:38.47 | linuxtk10 | im looking right at it |
| 02:38.53 | Supaplex|roaming | !beer abrotman |
| 02:38.58 | abrotman | a good one too! |
| 02:38.58 | cdrappier | sup deb! |
| 02:38.59 | weasel00 | abrotman, thanks for the multi hit =) |
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| 02:39.35 | abrotman | linuxtk10: so when you type aptitude install php5-common .. it grabs apache2 ? |
| 02:39.39 | cdrappier | how many feisty users we got in here? |
| 02:39.45 | abrotman | cdrappier: try #ubuntu |
| 02:40.02 | linuxtk10 | abrotman: i was using apt-get i have never used aptitude |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | fine .. whatever |
| 02:40.13 | linuxtk10 | but yes in apt-get yes |
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| 02:40.17 | cdrappier | abrotman: they're dum, i thought i'd hang out with u guys for awhile |
| 02:40.26 | abrotman | cdrappier: then talk about debian .. not ubuntu |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | linuxtk10: apt-cache depends php5-common .. what do you see ? |
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| 02:41.19 | linuxtk10 | hmm i guess aptitude handles that stuff better |
| 02:41.21 | linuxtk10 | cool |
| 02:41.36 | linuxtk10 | abrotman: hey do apt-get install php5-cgi and you seee |
| 02:41.42 | linuxtk10 | i am not sure if its php5-common or not |
| 02:41.49 | linuxtk10 | but something is pulling it in |
| 02:42.02 | abrotman | so do your homework .. find out what it is |
| 02:42.09 | linuxtk10 | aptitude did it fine |
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| 02:46.32 | linuxtk10 | Supaplex|roaming: whats your ftp server of choice ? |
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| 02:46.49 | Supaplex|roaming | sftp |
| 02:46.53 | Supaplex|roaming | :-D |
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| 02:50.30 | abrotman | just leave the TP! |
| 02:50.38 | Supaplex|roaming | m'k |
| 02:51.12 | Solet | what's the ssh server package called? |
| 02:51.15 | abrotman | ssh |
| 02:51.24 | Supaplex|roaming | !info ssh |
| 02:51.28 | dpkg | ssh: (secure shell client and server (metapackage)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.6p1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 02:51.30 | ameyer | openssh-server |
| 02:51.49 | ameyer | although it looks like ssh would do the trick too |
| 02:51.55 | abrotman | ssh pulls client and server |
| 02:52.57 | Solet | umm tried ssh, it tried a get, failed, then asked for the cd... wtf |
| 02:53.31 | ameyer | try installing openssh-server |
| 02:53.34 | Solet | and now it's asking for the cd on first try =/ where do i go to enter in mirror servers? |
| 02:53.37 | Solet | i did |
| 02:54.00 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list .. comment out the CD source |
| 02:54.04 | Solet | it wants the cd... it apparently decided it didnt like the mirror |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | then run aptitude update |
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| 02:57.13 | Solet | also i did the "database system" install, but in aptitude i cant figure out what sql server it installed |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | Solet: dpkg -l | grep -i sql |
| 02:57.37 | Solet | thanks |
| 02:57.38 | abrotman | likely postgresql |
| 02:58.13 | Solet | =/ gonna have to get rid of that |
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| 02:58.21 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:58.29 | Solet | i want MySQL |
| 02:58.35 | abrotman | you're wrong :) |
| 02:58.44 | Solet | ? |
| 02:59.34 | auto359 | off topic question: what is the rss/tag function that returns a list of indexed search terms and the most popular ones get larger in font size? |
| 02:59.57 | Solet | i'm making a php/sql server for running cli php scripts, it's a REALLY shitty machine so i basicly want base system + php5, mysql, ssh, and some smallish ftp |
| 03:00.28 | abrotman | you could just use scp |
| 03:00.41 | Solet | true |
| 03:00.54 | Solet | that doesnt require anything special on the server's end right? |
| 03:00.56 | abrotman | you can use filezilla from windows with scp |
| 03:00.57 | Solet | just sshd? |
| 03:01.08 | Solet | i have winscp on my lappy |
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| 03:01.23 | abrotman | that'll work too |
| 03:02.11 | Solet | grrr it is PostgreSQL |
| 03:02.17 | Supaplex|roaming | pg rawkz |
| 03:06.09 | Solet | how do i get rid of postgresql? |
| 03:06.52 | Supaplex|roaming | drop pg; -- hah. |
| 03:06.58 | Solet | actually, scratch that... i think i'm gonna start over, just saw it put python and perl on this thing too |
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| 03:07.36 | Solet | i'll do system essential then put on php mysql ssh and screen myself |
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| 03:09.01 | Solet | it's been 2 years since i've done a linux install, and i've only ever setup desktop machines =/ so i'm in n00b-hood all over again |
| 03:09.12 | dondelelcaro | Solet: why bother starting over? just have apt-get remove what you don't want. |
| 03:09.19 | dondelelcaro | (or better, aptitude) |
| 03:09.44 | nevyn | Solet: lots of stuff depends on perl :( |
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| 03:10.06 | Supaplex|roaming | so what if it depends on perl. you're not removing perl, right? |
| 03:10.08 | ktne | hello |
| 03:10.19 | ktne | i've tryed to install debian using goodbye-windows.com |
| 03:10.21 | dondelelcaro | well, you'll be hard pressed to have a Debian system without perl |
| 03:10.29 | Solet | dondelelcaro: i have no idea what all it put on tho... |
| 03:10.32 | ktne | but it doesn't seem to work, it just halts when grub loads |
| 03:10.41 | ktne | any idea? |
| 03:10.50 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: what version of windows? |
| 03:10.52 | dondelelcaro | Solet: so go through and mark anything that you don't specifically want as automatically installed, and those things will be removed |
| 03:10.56 | Solet | if some thing depends on perl it can be there, but this machine is a pentium II, it needs to have as little as possible on it |
| 03:10.58 | ktne | Supaplex|roaming XP SP2 |
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| 03:11.30 | Solet | is cron part of system essential? |
| 03:11.49 | dondelelcaro | Solet: it's not Essential: yes, but you'll probably end up neeeding it. |
| 03:11.59 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: try the one on goodbye-microsoft.com to, if that don't work, ask nyu (he's the maintainer). in that order if you don't mind. :) |
| 03:12.27 | dondelelcaro | ktne: do you get a grub prompt? or what? |
| 03:12.29 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: I run goodbye-windows.com, so clue me in to. You're the first report I've heard in a few months. |
| 03:12.41 | cafuego | Otoh, if windows went goodbye, it's a win ;-) |
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| 03:13.01 | ktne | dondelelcaro it looks for grldr, loads it and then prints some complicated error message |
| 03:13.15 | Supaplex|roaming | cafuego: hehe. it's not gone, grub is chain loaded off ntldr/bootmgr |
| 03:13.22 | Solet | dondelelcaro: i will need it, that's why i was wondering if it would come on the base system |
| 03:13.24 | cafuego | dammit |
| 03:15.01 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: what's the error message? does it look like a kernel oops? |
| 03:15.03 | linuxtk10 | stupid question |
| 03:15.04 | Supaplex|roaming | !oops |
| 03:15.04 | dpkg | [oops] "aw damn, i messesd up and deleted <entry>", or see ksymoops |
| 03:15.06 | linuxtk10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.20 | Supaplex|roaming | linuxtk10: questions end with "?" |
| 03:15.22 | linuxtk10 | i accidently deleted the .conf how can i get it again without re installing ? |
| 03:15.24 | linuxtk10 | :P |
| 03:15.28 | Supaplex|roaming | !confmiss |
| 03:15.28 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 03:15.34 | ktne | Supaplex|roaming no, i think the linux kernel hasn't loaded yet |
| 03:16.39 | dondelelcaro | Solet: there's really no such thing as a "base" system in Debian. |
| 03:16.55 | ktne | is there a way to load the kernel from dos? |
| 03:16.58 | ktne | other than loadling? |
| 03:17.02 | dondelelcaro | Solet: there are things that are Essential: yes and dependencies of things that are Essential: yes, but everything else is completely optional. |
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| 03:17.07 | ktne | because loadlin seems too load to load the kernel |
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| 03:17.11 | ktne | too old |
| 03:17.28 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: please tell me how goodbye-microsoft.com's copy works in comparison. |
| 03:17.30 | Solet | dondelelcaro: well in the install, the last step, it's the option at the bottom that's auto selected |
| 03:17.48 | ktne | Supaplex|roaming it seems to be the same binary |
| 03:17.48 | Supaplex|roaming | actually, I'll compare md5's |
| 03:18.02 | Supaplex|roaming | if it is, nyu is the man to talk to |
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| 03:18.44 | dondelelcaro | Solet: the exact set of packages that is in there changes from time to time; I personally never use it. |
| 03:19.03 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, I know exactly what I want installed; if you don't, it's a useful starting place) |
| 03:19.35 | Solet | i have a damn good idea of what i want installed |
| 03:19.49 | dondelelcaro | well, then don't select it |
| 03:19.56 | dondelelcaro | and only chose exactly what you want |
| 03:20.16 | dondelelcaro | (or if you've already installed, mark everything that you don't actually want as automatically installed in aptitude) |
| 03:20.36 | Solet | yeah already halfway through the reinstall :P |
| 03:20.38 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: goodbye-microsoft has a slighty larger binary. |
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| 03:21.05 | ktne | they are identical here |
| 03:21.29 | Solet | (i was raised on windows... reinstalling has been pounded in as a reflex to any computer problem that looks like it would take more than 10 minutes to fix) |
| 03:21.32 | ktne | oh |
| 03:21.35 | BlackMagik | what is the equivalent of /dev/[k]mem in debian? if such exists |
| 03:21.56 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: but now goodbye-windows.com has the same version (just updated it) |
| 03:21.58 | ktne | Supaplex|roaming they are indeed different, i think i might have opened goodbye-windows by mistake :) |
| 03:22.03 | Dark-Fx | BlackMagik: /dev/kmem |
| 03:22.11 | ktne | ok, booting :) |
| 03:22.20 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: let me know how it fares. |
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| 03:22.55 | BlackMagik | Dark-Fx: hmm, i don't see it in deb 4.0 |
| 03:23.47 | BlackMagik | actually i see it now lol |
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| 03:25.51 | Supaplex|roaming | haha resistance is futile. ;-D |
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| 03:26.29 | Supaplex|roaming | hi resistance. are you futilie? |
| 03:27.45 | Dark-Fx | BlackMagik: I definitely have them |
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| 03:28.45 | BlackMagik | Dark-Fx: i found them, i was doing /dev/kmem and hitting tab tab lol |
| 03:29.00 | Dark-Fx | AH |
| 03:29.09 | Supaplex|roaming | choo |
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| 03:31.16 | ktne | Supaplex|roaming doesn't work |
| 03:31.40 | ktne | Supaplex|roaming same error, initially it didn't find grldr either, i copied that to floppy, it loaded but the same error |
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| 03:33.10 | Supaplex|roaming | ktne: interesting. nyu might not reply quickly, but he's da man on this now. good luck. :) - or burn a debian netinst cd. |
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| 03:33.33 | ktne | i'll just try to manually boot the kernel using grub |
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| 03:42.13 | arron | i tried to make my own test cgi, with little luck. now when my apache server tries to load a page with a cgi, that worked before i get "Premature end of script headers: wwwcount.cgi, referer: http://*mysite*" and it does not come up. can anyone help? (the cgi's used to work, imnot sure exactly when they stoped) |
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| 03:42.59 | Supaplex|roaming | sounds like you're missing the header. check apache error log for clues. |
| 03:43.19 | Supaplex|roaming | make sure if it's a script, it has unix linefeeds, and not mac/dos |
| 03:43.32 | arron | that was from the error log, that is all it says |
| 03:43.50 | Supaplex|roaming | what's it do if you run it from the command line? |
| 03:43.57 | arron | my script i gave up on for now. the wwwcount is a older package that used to work |
| 03:43.58 | Supaplex|roaming | what's your test cgi written in? |
| 03:44.22 | arron | but that will not even come up anymore. im not sure if i broke something |
| 03:44.45 | arron | my test i was trying in bash (to see if it worked) and pearl... which i know very little |
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| 03:45.17 | arron | both were a "hello world" thing for now. but my others dont work now |
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| 03:49.07 | Rhoruns_ | hey guys, if i try to run a program without X window on, will i still be able to use it? |
| 03:49.19 | windyh | depends on the program |
| 03:49.30 | Rhoruns_ | because, i have this server that i want to use, but ive only used it on X window |
| 03:49.38 | Rhoruns_ | however, it's mostly text based |
| 03:49.44 | windyh | what server? |
| 03:49.48 | \amethyst | "mostly"? |
| 03:49.48 | Rhoruns_ | because it's just a window, with scrolling text, and a couple of tabs at the top |
| 03:49.52 | Rhoruns_ | PvPGN |
| 03:50.01 | Rhoruns_ | it's a battle.net emulator |
| 03:50.09 | windyh | I'm lost |
| 03:50.14 | Rhoruns_ | hmm |
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| 03:50.30 | Rhoruns_ | http://pvpgn.berlios.de/ |
| 03:50.32 | Rhoruns_ | it's a game server |
| 03:50.53 | Supaplex|roaming | Rhoruns_: unset DISPLAY ; foo.sh. if it yells for X, it needs X. |
| 03:51.06 | Rhoruns_ | oh |
| 03:51.24 | Rhoruns_ | uhg, is that a command or something? lol |
| 03:52.00 | Supaplex|roaming | uhm. how do you run your bn server? |
| 03:52.15 | Rhoruns_ | well, to be honest, i have not run it on linux yet |
| 03:52.19 | Rhoruns_ | i usually run it on windows |
| 03:52.26 | Rhoruns_ | but a new linux-only version came out |
| 03:52.34 | Rhoruns_ | and i want to use it on my debian machine without X |
| 03:52.54 | arron | how can i get a ssi to run in a php blog post? |
| 03:53.24 | Supaplex|roaming | arron: php would have to virtual(...) the include. |
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| 03:54.23 | arron | <Supaplex|roaming>: i can put [html] and [code] tags on it, is that under the virtual? |
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| 03:55.00 | arron | [html]<html code>[/html] works withen it, but not ssi |
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| 03:55.17 | Rhoruns_ | oh hey, i just found a screenshot of PvPGN running in terminal: http://tinyurl.com/2nzge5 does this mean it can run without X? |
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| 03:55.40 | simonrvn | how about you try it? ;) |
| 03:55.45 | Rhoruns_ | lol :D |
| 03:55.51 | Rhoruns_ | i'll take that as a yes :D |
| 03:56.09 | windyh | Rhoruns_: try it, and it'll probably work |
| 03:56.26 | Rhoruns_ | now, here's a stupid question: when i run programs without |
| 03:56.41 | Rhoruns_ | without X, how do i switch between programs? |
| 03:56.46 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 03:56.57 | windyh | alt-F1, etc |
| 03:57.03 | windyh | gives you a different console |
| 03:57.09 | simonrvn | or use screen |
| 03:57.13 | Rhoruns_ | ohh, so basically, you switch outputs between programs? |
| 03:57.39 | windyh | yeah |
| 03:57.45 | Rhoruns_ | awesome |
| 03:57.49 | Rhoruns_ | thank you so much |
| 03:57.55 | windyh | or follow the command with & |
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| 03:58.01 | windyh | to run it in the background |
| 03:58.13 | Rhoruns_ | because i was worried that i wouldnt be able to use mysql database commands while using PvPGN at the same time |
| 03:58.15 | \amethyst | a server is likely to go into the background automatically |
| 03:58.27 | windyh | or connect with ssh from another box |
| 03:58.45 | Rhoruns_ | yeah. but i dont know how to use SSH yet lol |
| 03:59.06 | windyh | it's pretty easy |
| 03:59.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just installed ubuntu, and now I got a question... |
| 03:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | just kiddin - evening all... whats news? |
| 03:59.33 | Rhoruns_ | #ubuntu |
| 03:59.34 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
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| 04:03.34 | Rhoruns_ | hmm, is there a command to download and install mysql from source? |
| 04:03.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | why? |
| 04:03.53 | Rhoruns_ | because i want to download and install mysql lol |
| 04:04.03 | \amethyst | Rhoruns_: why from source? |
| 04:04.03 | Rhoruns_ | but through commandline |
| 04:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | why from source |
| 04:04.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft |
| 04:04.09 | Rhoruns_ | wtf i dont know |
| 04:04.11 | Rhoruns_ | because im a noob |
| 04:04.19 | Rhoruns_ | is there another way? |
| 04:04.20 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 04:04.32 | \amethyst | Rhoruns_: try apt-get install mysql-server |
| 04:04.39 | Rhoruns_ | okily dokily :) |
| 04:04.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... noobs install things from source, only we advanced guys install pre-made binaries? |
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| 04:05.04 | Rhoruns_ | no, im a noob because i thought that was the only way to get programs through terminal lol |
| 04:05.22 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: I installed everything from source when I was a noob :) |
| 04:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no difference between termial and X... |
| 04:05.31 | Rhoruns_ | i've read a ton a documentation, and they usually tell me to get a certain program by compling it from source lol |
| 04:05.38 | Rhoruns_ | i meant, commandline |
| 04:05.46 | Rhoruns_ | my other machine does not have x installed |
| 04:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, might be one of the quickest ways to stop being one :) |
| 04:05.50 | Rhoruns_ | nor do i want it installed |
| 04:06.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | test asdf |
| 04:06.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:06.30 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: The libc5-glibc2 transition was quite fun :) |
| 04:06.53 | Rhoruns_ | is glibc2 the gangsta version? |
| 04:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a checkbox in xchat, which says "Spell checking" - any idea how that works? |
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| 04:07.19 | micky | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wasnt aware one could switch those off at all... can one? |
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| 04:08.19 | Rhoruns_ | yes. in order for spell checking to work, you must put a hamster inside a sock, and slam it against the wall 3 times, and yell 'Allah Akbar' while dancing the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary at the south pole |
| 04:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rhoruns_, did that already yesterday, it's the standard procedure |
| 04:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | didnt work, though |
| 04:08.51 | Rhoruns_ | dang |
| 04:08.53 | Rhoruns_ | hmmm |
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| 04:10.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... nick "completion sorted" - one can use last spoke order :) of course it was set to alphabetically :-/ |
| 04:10.26 | dondelelcaro | micky: to my knowledge there isn't a way to turn off power to a usb port. |
| 04:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | micky, can the port be switched off with some software that came with the lamp under windows? |
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| 04:11.25 | Rhoruns_ | what's the command to show all directories? |
| 04:11.40 | \amethyst | Rhoruns_: all? |
| 04:11.41 | harlekin | ls, find |
| 04:11.46 | harlekin | Depending on what you mean. |
| 04:11.53 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 04:11.57 | \amethyst | Rhoruns_: what do you mean by "all directories"? |
| 04:12.01 | Rhoruns_ | hmm |
| 04:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, all directories in the world :) |
| 04:12.07 | Rhoruns_ | LOL |
| 04:12.15 | Rhoruns_ | im sorry, ill try to be more semantic |
| 04:12.38 | Rhoruns_ | i meant, how do i show all the directories that i can navigate to from my current directory? |
| 04:12.43 | \amethyst | micky: do you know the USB device? |
| 04:12.47 | harlekin | Rhoruns_: ls, then. |
| 04:12.57 | Rhoruns_ | ok, thanks harlekin |
| 04:13.24 | harlekin | Whereas this shwos files, too. |
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| 04:13.39 | \amethyst | micky: I mean, device identifier |
| 04:13.53 | micky | CutMeOwnThroat \amethyst it has no drivers since it only uses the power ( 5v i think ) the usb port provides, so i'm looking at switching the power off from software |
| 04:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | micky, I think if that was possible, they would give some windows software, that does it |
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| 04:14.30 | micky | it can be done since if i plug a mouse or a keyboard the machine finds it first then powers it up |
| 04:14.32 | harlekin | Rhoruns_: Use: find . -maxdepth 1 -type d to *only* show directories. (; |
| 04:14.40 | Rhoruns_ | ok |
| 04:15.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | harlekin, or ls */. |
| 04:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 04:15.13 | micky | CutMeOwnThroat well i didnt buy it :), i just souldered a light bulb on a usb connector :) |
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| 04:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | micky, hehe... why not include a switch into the construction :) |
| 04:15.48 | harlekin | CutMeOwnThroat: Uh, never thought of that. I am just toying around with: find -maxdepth 1 -type d | sed "s/^\.\///" | sort |
| 04:15.51 | harlekin | ^^ |
| 04:16.00 | micky | hehe you try convinvcing a switch to turn itself off by using software :) |
| 04:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | micky, how does it find it, if there is no power on the port? |
| 04:16.12 | dondelelcaro | micky: the power is always there, otherwise the machine wouldn't be able to find it |
| 04:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | harlekin, actually that was not complete - should be ls */. .*/. |
| 04:16.36 | \amethyst | micky: X10? :) |
| 04:16.44 | dondelelcaro | and you proably want ls -d, but YMMV |
| 04:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | harlekin, oops, still not - must of course be ls -d */. .*/. |
| 04:16.51 | micky | for some reason rmmod-ing the uhci module seems to stop the power ( to all usb ports hmm) |
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| 04:17.17 | dondelelcaro | micky: yes, that's because it takes down the usb controller |
| 04:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, :) |
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| 04:17.34 | harlekin | CutMeOwnThroat: ls -d */. .*/: works perfectly. ^^ |
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| 04:17.46 | dondelelcaro | I know you can take down the power to the entire bus, but I'm not aware of an interface to take down a specific port (though some controllers may have it) |
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| 04:18.04 | harlekin | Well, I have to shower. It's *very* early in my country. ^^ (afk) |
| 04:18.15 | micky | hmm, gonna have to dig a lil` deeper into this one, maby i dont have to use a separate usb controller for this |
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| 04:18.38 | ameyer | and I seem to have f |
| 04:18.40 | ameyer | erm |
| 04:18.48 | ameyer | and I seem to have f'd up ktorrent |
| 04:19.08 | dondelelcaro | better off using rtorrent instead |
| 04:19.13 | micky | ameyer try rtorrent |
| 04:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | harlekin, well, more than find -maxdepth, I would use ls -la |grep ^d |
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| 04:19.54 | dondelelcaro | find . -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d; is pretty easy |
| 04:20.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I like the grep variant better |
| 04:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially, since ls -la is aliased to 'l' |
| 04:20.23 | ameyer | perhaps I just have KDE in a bit of a strange state |
| 04:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | that makes it l|grep ^d |
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| 04:20.40 | dondelelcaro | find . -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -printf '%p'; if you want something without the . |
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| 04:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, l|grep ^d beats you by a multitude of characters to type :) |
| 04:21.20 | dondelelcaro | err, s/p/P\n/ |
| 04:21.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/a multitude/many/ |
| 04:21.43 | ameyer | and by "strange state" I mean half-installed... |
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| 04:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | the spell checking in my xchat does not seem to work... I just googled that it was supposed to color words in the input line... |
| 04:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it doesnt do that |
| 04:22.56 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the advantage of find is that it handles just about every case of "want to display thing in file system X" whereas ls doesn't quite make it |
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| 04:23.42 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: do you have aspell installed? |
| 04:23.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, and the disadvantage is, that the commands generally become pretty long |
| 04:24.07 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, but after you've used it a few hundred times you can type them without thinking much |
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| 04:24.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, well, same with l|grep ^d and somesuch :) |
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| 04:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, ispell |
| 04:25.13 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.xchat.org/spell/ says it needs aspell |
| 04:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooh, ok |
| 04:25.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, I thought the two were pretty much compatible |
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| 04:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 04:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I typed "aptitude install apsell" :) |
| 04:26.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | figures |
| 04:26.58 | ameyer | ironic |
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| 04:29.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | brb |
| 04:29.37 | ameyer | ahh, I seem to be breaking Debian in new and theoretically impossible ways |
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| 04:30.18 | Rhoruns_ | ahhh!! what the heck man.. i just realized that my debian pc doesnt have a ethernet card ROFL :D |
| 04:30.24 | Rhoruns_ | now i can't do anything :( |
| 04:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ameyer, congratulations |
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| 04:32.11 | ameyer | although perhaps if I logged back into kde it might work |
| 04:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rhoruns_, well, you could try using CPIP |
| 04:32.40 | Rhoruns_ | cpip?? |
| 04:32.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cpip |
| 04:32.44 | dpkg | somebody said cpip was see http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
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| 04:33.08 | Supaplex|roaming | !rfc1149 |
| 04:33.08 | dpkg | hmm... rfc1149 is Standard for the transmission of IP datagrams on avian carriers. D. Waitzman. Apr-01-1990. (Format: TXT=3329 bytes) (Status: EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 04:33.14 | Supaplex|roaming | lol |
| 04:33.20 | Rhoruns_ | what the heck?? LOL |
| 04:33.25 | ameyer | what's the RFC for evil bit? |
| 04:33.39 | ameyer | *the evil bit |
| 04:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex|roaming, nono, you must check out the website, because there are pictures... I guess the explanation aint so short for no reason |
| 04:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Supaplex|roaming, terrible ping-times, btw :) |
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| 04:34.35 | Rhoruns_ | rofl |
| 04:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | now the advanced question - can I use the spellchecker accept german AND english langage words? |
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| 04:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | thx \amethyst, btw :) |
| 04:35.58 | Rhoruns_ | omg! this song owns SO MUCH FACE!!! :D |
| 04:36.00 | Rhoruns_ | http://wkccp.com/file/uploads/635906969a.rar |
| 04:36.15 | RainbowW | how can i tell if a box is running sarge or etch? sources.list says "stable" but the machine has been offline so long i don't know which it actually is. |
| 04:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | update it, then you know :) |
| 04:36.57 | \amethyst | RainbowW: /etc/debian_version |
| 04:37.21 | mainer | /etc/debian-version.i was 1 off |
| 04:38.27 | RainbowW | it says "lenny/sid" ... confusing. i don't remember putting lenny on this box ... hrm ... ok. ty. |
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| 04:45.33 | RainbowW | is there a tool that will permit me to ping every address in an entire class c and report a list of answers? |
| 04:45.38 | RainbowW | if so, what is it? |
| 04:46.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | perl :) |
| 04:46.23 | karsten | RainbowW: nmap |
| 04:46.46 | karsten | RainbowW: ping scan |
| 04:46.59 | RainbowW | ty |
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| 04:47.36 | karsten | RainbowW: just plain ping should work if it's a subnet (flood ping), or fping. |
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| 04:48.07 | lowdn_09 | anybody familar with guraddog? |
| 04:48.14 | lowdn_09 | *guarddog |
| 04:48.19 | karsten | !tell lowdn_09 about polls |
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| 04:48.59 | RainbowW | karsten: ping the broadcast? |
| 04:49.10 | lowdn_09 | i can't block dhcp as a test |
| 04:49.43 | karsten | RainbowW: Yeah, if it's a subnet. That may or may not give you what you want. nmap's probably the simplest solution off the top. |
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| 04:51.04 | RainbowW | tyvm |
| 04:51.08 | karsten | NP |
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| 04:57.45 | niru | hello |
| 04:58.21 | RainbowW | well, it's not online, because it's not on. it's not on because i turned it off. i turned it off because it won't boot. it won't boot because there's no video card in it. <sigh> |
| 04:58.26 | RainbowW | but |
| 04:58.30 | RainbowW | at least my question is answered ;-) |
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| 04:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | so to find that out, you needed to ping a whole class c subnet? |
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| 05:00.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | intriguing |
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| 05:01.32 | RainbowW | i was under the incorrect impression that the machine was on, and i was trying to find it. i did, however, find another router on the subnet i didn't know was there. (a roomate with her own firewall) |
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| 05:06.27 | tin_nqn | hello people |
| 05:07.02 | atoponce | how do you kill a zombied process? kill -9 isn't killing it |
| 05:07.36 | tin_nqn | I bring a little problem: a friend of mine has an english keyboard but needs use latin chars like Ɣ or Ʊ (we are from Argentina). |
| 05:08.04 | tin_nqn | the point is he doesn't like map the kb in spanish... |
| 05:08.55 | tin_nqn | so, there is a way to use this kind of chars directly from an english keyboard configuration, like alt gr + 160? |
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| 05:09.27 | weasel00 | how do i disable acpi in etch? |
| 05:09.31 | \amethyst | tin_nqn: map something (I use right-window) to Compose |
| 05:09.45 | karsten | atoponce: You can't kill a zombie, it's already dead. |
| 05:09.52 | karsten | atoponce: Kill its parent. |
| 05:10.03 | \amethyst | tin_nqn: then you can do, for example, Compose ~ n to type Ʊ |
| 05:10.05 | karsten | !tell atoponce about zombie |
| 05:10.34 | atoponce | karsten: how do i find the parent process? |
| 05:10.41 | karsten | weasel00: boot with "acip=noacpi" |
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| 05:11.03 | ferret | But with better spelling |
| 05:11.06 | karsten | atoponce: ps -ef will give you that |
| 05:11.18 | tin_nqn | \amethyst: how would be that? how can i config that? |
| 05:11.26 | karsten | ferret: everyone's a critic |
| 05:11.27 | \amethyst | tin_nqn: you use gnome? |
| 05:11.34 | tin_nqn | yes |
| 05:11.42 | karsten | !comfort tin_nqn |
| 05:11.42 | dpkg | There, there, tin_nqn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 05:12.12 | \amethyst | tin_nqn: in the keyboard preferences, layout options tab, look for the "Compose key position" group |
| 05:12.30 | tin_nqn | \amethyst: thank you |
| 05:12.32 | ferret | karsten: It's not a criticism. With the boot parameter you gave nothing will change. Just making sure you corrected it. :) |
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| 05:13.47 | karsten | ferret: Boot Different! |
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| 05:14.30 | karsten | weasel00: There's another acpi option as well... |
| 05:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, how can you do that without gnome? |
| 05:14.55 | karsten | weasel00: pci=noacpi acpi=off |
| 05:14.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds useful :) |
| 05:15.02 | karsten | weasel00: Give both of those, should cover it. |
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| 05:15.41 | \amethyst | or a <cr> <esc>, depending |
| 05:15.43 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 05:16.28 | tin_nqn | \amethyst: I've gone to Preference -> keyboard -> Compose key position ... and I selected left windows key. |
| 05:16.50 | tin_nqn | and then how can I define rules for this? |
| 05:17.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | tin_nqn, you dont - he already told you: compose ~ x for an ampersand above the x |
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| 05:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least, so I understood that |
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| 05:20.04 | tin_nqn | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry, but I press my selected compose key and do nothing |
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| 05:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | tin_nqn, http://andrew.triumf.ca/iso8859-1-compose.html |
| 05:21.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks to me that is how it should work |
| 05:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you have to restart gnome or X? |
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| 05:22.14 | tin_nqn | Ok, I understood it |
| 05:22.28 | rhz | Which package do I need to install to get a Java Runtime Environment? |
| 05:22.39 | tin_nqn | thank you \amethyst and CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 05:23.26 | ktne | hello |
| 05:23.34 | ktne | i've just installed xorg using apt-get install xorg |
| 05:23.37 | ktne | what i do next? |
| 05:23.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | rhz, I have ii sun-java6-bin |
| 05:23.54 | rhz | is that a free package? |
| 05:24.04 | karsten | !tell ktne about set up x |
| 05:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !java |
| 05:24.14 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 05:24.39 | karsten | ktne: You'll also want a desktop. Usually: GNOME, KDE, XFCE4, maybe something like windowmaker, fluxbox, or ion if you're adventurous. |
| 05:24.46 | rhz | ok thanks. I wanted it for eclipse so I'll just use free-java-sdk |
| 05:25.03 | ktne | but how do i set up a preffered resolution and refresh? |
| 05:25.38 | karsten | ktne: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:26.03 | karsten | ktne: ... which was in the factoid you just read, right? |
| 05:26.41 | ktne | karsten: i understand that i need a desktop, i'be got ion2 |
| 05:26.56 | karsten | ktne: OK |
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| 05:30.25 | RainbowW | if i have a kernel tree, 2.6.11.11, that has a working .config, can i copy the .config to a new 2.6.22.5 tree and expect it to work reasonably? yes i'll need to check make menuconfig, but it would be reasonably painless? |
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| 05:30.45 | karsten | RainbowW: RTFM WRT 'make oldconfig' |
| 05:30.53 | RainbowW | thank you |
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| 05:30.55 | karsten | RainbowW: It should mostly work but there's going to be quite a bit of change. |
| 05:31.03 | karsten | RainbowW: The kernel README covers this. |
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| 05:31.12 | RainbowW | what i need ty |
| 05:31.27 | \amethyst | RainbowW: make-kpkg should do oldconfig by default |
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| 05:32.25 | ktne | what X command can i use to check what driver i'm using once xterm was loaded? |
| 05:32.37 | karsten | ktne: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:32.52 | ktne | karsten: thx |
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| 05:33.11 | rhz | I've installed eclipse and free-java-sdk but when I try to run eclipse I get an error message saying that no java virtual machine was found. What do I need to do to get eclipse to work for me? |
| 05:34.06 | \amethyst | rhz: make sure your jvm's directory is listed in /etc/eclipse/java_home |
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| 05:35.20 | rhz | \amethyst: ok and my jvm would be where? |
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| 05:35.51 | \amethyst | rhz: what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/java say? |
| 05:36.21 | phix | What is /etc/alternatives used for? |
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| 05:36.35 | \amethyst | !alternatives |
| 05:36.35 | dpkg | well, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 05:36.37 | karsten | phix: Alternatives |
| 05:36.47 | phix | ok |
| 05:36.55 | karsten | phix: See Debian Policy for more info. |
| 05:37.05 | phix | is this a new policy? |
| 05:37.51 | rhz | \amethyst, it says it points to /usr/bin/java-sablevm |
| 05:38.05 | \amethyst | rhz: then probably /usr/lib/sablevm |
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| 05:40.01 | \amethyst | phix: Alternatives have been around since at least 1995, maybe earlier |
| 05:40.13 | karsten | \amethyst: Debian invented alternatives. |
| 05:40.13 | Rhoruns_ | baah! i cant figure out this dumb server error |
| 05:40.15 | \amethyst | the update-alternatives script was added in 1995 |
| 05:40.24 | karsten | \amethyst: Before Debian, the Universe had *no* alternatives. |
| 05:40.26 | \amethyst | karsten: I figured |
| 05:40.29 | phix | \amethyst: hmmm ok, sounds like a hack :P |
| 05:40.31 | Rhoruns_ | Aug 29 22:39:55 [error] trans_load: could not allocate memory for network address |
| 05:40.32 | karsten | \amethyst: Debian is the Alternative Option. |
| 05:40.35 | linux_jones | so when im using a computer as a router/firewall, do i need to use crossover cable? |
| 05:40.44 | troubled | dingmethyst! :) |
| 05:40.48 | karsten | linux_jones: mu |
| 05:41.08 | karsten | linux_jones: You need to use a crossover cable when you're connecting two NICs directly *and* they're not auto-configuring. |
| 05:41.18 | phix | linux_jones: depends if you are connecting it to a switch or directly to a computer or node |
| 05:41.34 | karsten | linux_jones: Given that most NICs weren't until Apple started turning 'em out, that's most of the time. If you're using any interconnect HW (hub, switch), then no. |
| 05:41.47 | phix | node as in a router or something like that, which doesn't have auto-cross over detection |
| 05:41.57 | rhz | \amethyst: well now eclipse seems to start up and gives me the startup splash image. But then it gives a window saying "An error has occurred. See the log file /home...." |
| 05:42.33 | \amethyst | rhz: maybe you should take its advice and see the log file :) |
| 05:42.40 | linux_jones | karsten, thanks |
| 05:42.46 | troubled | phix: auto-crossover detection = MDIX iirc |
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| 05:42.57 | karsten | linux_jones: 5 cents, please. |
| 05:43.36 | phix | troubled: yup |
| 05:43.48 | \amethyst | MDIX is crossover, maybe "Auto MDI/MDIX"? |
| 05:43.57 | phix | troubled: I like the human friendly version :) there are too many acronyms |
| 05:44.02 | troubled | true :) |
| 05:44.13 | rhz | it's full of hard to read long error messages or "exceptions". |
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| 05:44.31 | phix | exceptions are fun, only if you are the one throwing them |
| 05:44.47 | \amethyst | rhz: put it in a pastebin |
| 05:44.49 | troubled | \amethyst: i stand corrected |
| 05:44.53 | linux_jones | karsten, ill western union it to you |
| 05:45.07 | karsten | phix: so many ideas, 17576 TLAs. |
| 05:45.17 | karsten | linux_jones: Spleefy. |
| 05:45.27 | troubled | karsten: is that an accurate count by chance? :) |
| 05:45.29 | phix | karsten: :) |
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| 05:45.39 | karsten | troubled: yes. |
| 05:45.43 | phix | karsten: I forgot what the term TLA meant :( |
| 05:45.44 | karsten | troubled: 26^3 |
| 05:45.48 | troubled | :) |
| 05:45.56 | troubled | karsten: ahh |
| 05:46.08 | troubled | karsten: but then thats english only :p |
| 05:46.21 | karsten | troubled: Strictly: roman alphabet, but yeah. |
| 05:46.36 | karsten | troubled: The chinese are much better off than we are. |
| 05:46.39 | \amethyst | The frats have taken all the Greek TLAs |
| 05:46.41 | troubled | karsten: well, tbh, i have yet to see any tla's with accent's etc |
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| 05:47.08 | Supaplex|roaming | just now actually. |
| 05:47.18 | Tapout | fresh install of debian, apt-get update/dist-upgrade'd .. perl -MCPAN -e shell ... install Bundle::CPAN fails :( |
| 05:47.21 | rhz | http://pastebin.com/db528b11ae |
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| 05:47.54 | troubled | rhz: interesting, albeit empty, paste |
| 05:48.04 | rhz | sorry, http://pastebin.com/d528b11ae |
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| 05:48.49 | sparr | linux games that are fun to play with a stylus... go! |
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| 05:49.09 | karsten | sparr: "Pop the Balloon!" |
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| 05:49.45 | Supaplex|roaming | karsten: o.O |
| 05:49.46 | RainbowW | is there an option to make that will trigger multiple compile threads? i've got an smp machine and would like to maximize the compiler's use of them because i don't want to be here all night (on a very old machine) ... |
| 05:49.48 | sparr | karsten: heh, ive seen porn games on a touch screen. wave of the future :) |
| 05:50.00 | sparr | RainbowW: i believe there is. good luck. |
| 05:50.03 | karsten | RainbowW: -j |
| 05:50.21 | Supaplex|roaming | RainbowW: -k |
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| 05:50.32 | Supaplex|roaming | my bad, it's not -k |
| 05:50.36 | karsten | Supaplex|roaming: ?? |
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| 05:51.00 | RainbowW | ty |
| 05:51.08 | f00li5h | which manpages should I be reading to find out about monitoring the status of a UPS via USB? the device appears in lsusb nicely |
| 05:51.10 | troubled | karsten: "This famous hooker started her first entertainment company called 'Club Jenna' in 2000" |
| 05:51.18 | karsten | Supaplex|roaming: It's -j You can supply an argument (numer) for the max number of simultaneous processes, or just let make sort it out for itself. |
| 05:51.20 | troubled | (sorry for the delay hehe) |
| 05:51.50 | karsten | troubled: Who is Bush's daughter? |
| 05:51.53 | Supaplex|roaming | karsten: yes you're right. |
| 05:51.55 | troubled | heh |
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| 05:52.25 | \amethyst | f00li5h: is it an APC? |
| 05:52.48 | ^arky^ | Does any one know how to enable autoclean on modules with modutils/klogd on Debian sid? |
| 05:53.05 | f00li5h | \amethyst: i believe so |
| 05:53.22 | f00li5h | upsd seems to (from it's pkg description) only do serial |
| 05:53.42 | \amethyst | f00li5h: look at apcupsd (APC only) or nut |
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| 05:53.51 | f00li5h | nut, you say? |
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| 05:55.46 | f00li5h | i'd presume that nut would just re-use upsd/apcupsd ... |
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| 05:59.38 | \amethyst | f00li5h: package description says it contains the serial and USB UPS drivers |
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| 06:14.00 | dondelelcaro | UncleD: turn whatever that is off, please. |
| 06:17.46 | mehul | !tell mehul about build |
| 06:17.59 | dondelelcaro | mehul: you can just /msg dpkg build; isntead |
| 06:19.21 | mehul | yup I guess I could have done that too. |
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| 06:22.15 | mnu | Is there any way to migrate from Etch to Unstable without killing my system? |
| 06:22.26 | Tapout | what package is "make" in ? |
| 06:22.39 | dondelelcaro | !+info make |
| 06:22.40 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 06:22.44 | dpkg | make: (The GNU version of the "make" utility.), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.81-3 (sid), Packaged size: 383 kB, Installed size: 1568 kB |
| 06:22.58 | dondelelcaro | mnu: yes. The question is, can you do it? |
| 06:22.58 | troubled | Tapout: that, or build-essential should pull it in for you |
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| 06:23.30 | Tapout | k thanks guy |
| 06:23.31 | jetscreamer | try testing first not sid |
| 06:23.32 | Tapout | guys |
| 06:24.00 | mnu | jetscreamer: How'd I migrate there? |
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| 06:24.21 | jetscreamer | !etch->lenny |
| 06:24.21 | dpkg | First, see <apt-listbugs>. Next, edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, then update and dist-upgrade. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. NOTE: you should be running a 2.6 kernel before trying to upgrade |
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| 06:24.54 | mnu | Thanks a ton! |
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| 06:28.01 | mehul | My brain must not be working properly. I've got the soure package for Rhythmbox, and want to build it. How do I do that ? |
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| 06:28.36 | mehul | I thought I could use apt-build, but it wont work |
| 06:28.42 | mnu | ./config | make | make install |
| 06:28.45 | mnu | every * |
| 06:28.54 | mnu | is a different command |
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| 06:29.27 | Alowishus | if I'm trying to lay down a Xen domU with Debian Etch inside, which kernel do I want - xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen or xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver? |
| 06:29.52 | mehul | there is a "debian" way of doing this which is what I'm looking for. |
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| 06:31.39 | mehul | never mind. got it. I have to run dpkg-buildpackage from within the package source directory, not outside of it. |
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| 06:34.06 | jetscreamer | the first one is probably for the client and the second for the host, but i know nothing |
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| 06:37.13 | Alowishus | jetscreamer: yeah I figured that to be the case but I can't seem to figure out which is which (and installing either brings in the -hypervisor package, which I'd only want for the host not for the client) |
| 06:38.30 | f00li5h | n |
| 06:38.36 | Rhoruns_ | is anyone here an expert in network translation? |
| 06:38.51 | troubled | dondelelcaro: curious, if *!*@freenode/staff/* is on the channel access list, why do you have some of the staffs on as lvl 10? |
| 06:39.07 | shng9w | anybody good @ bash scripting? |
| 06:39.09 | troubled | your wasting server clock cycles there my friend! :) |
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| 06:39.27 | f00li5h | shng9w: there's a #bash that may be good at it |
| 06:40.07 | f00li5h | i'm running apcupsd is there a way that i can query the UPS, in some meaningful way to find out that the thing is running? |
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| 06:42.26 | ahiliation | hello all |
| 06:43.32 | RainbowW | the typical daemon non-priv user is "nobody". what's the equiv group under the usual debian configuration? |
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| 06:45.13 | troubled | RainbowW: nobody? |
| 06:45.20 | rootard | RainbowW: depends on what is running. Different applications may have their own user added... apache for example |
| 06:45.31 | troubled | and what rootard said |
| 06:45.38 | rootard | RainbowW: the "nobody" user exists in Debian. |
| 06:46.00 | Noborusan | debian is cool :) hi guys |
| 06:46.05 | troubled | realistically, each and every daemon should have its own id obviously, but theres too many to assign one each I think |
| 06:46.34 | troubled | 100-999 i think is all we got reserved for that |
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| 06:47.08 | Rhoruns_ | hi Noborusan |
| 06:47.12 | rootard | Of course, if you are running more than 900 services... you might be asking for trouble anyway :) |
| 06:47.18 | Noborusan | hi Rhoruns_ |
| 06:47.28 | Rhoruns_ | do you like pie, Noborusan? |
| 06:47.30 | Rhoruns_ | :D |
| 06:48.02 | Noborusan | so so. |
| 06:48.06 | troubled | rootard: true :) |
| 06:48.07 | Rhoruns_ | heheh |
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| 06:48.36 | RainbowW | my question was actually caused by openvpn, which has a drop privs function but you must specify both the user and the group to drop to. so the user would be nobody, i selected nogroup for the group. the example in the openvpn config, group nobody, doesn't exist by default |
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| 07:04.44 | fireba11 | question: my apt-get stopped responding (no matter what option i call it with i get no reply at all, just a new line) can i use aptitude (that works normally) to reinstall apt-get ? |
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| 07:05.36 | fireba11 | or rather reinstall apt .. apt-cache still works though ^^ |
| 07:05.48 | Rhoruns_ | you might not be terminating the command correctly |
| 07:06.13 | fireba11 | ? |
| 07:06.30 | Rhoruns_ | give me an example of an apt-get command you've used recently |
| 07:06.40 | fireba11 | "apt-get udpate" ? |
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| 07:06.43 | fireba11 | update |
| 07:07.01 | Rhoruns_ | dang. then i don't know. lol |
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| 07:07.38 | jetscreamer | yes use aptitude |
| 07:07.56 | jetscreamer | same basic syntax |
| 07:08.07 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 07:08.07 | dpkg | well, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu>, http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 07:08.17 | fireba11 | jetscreamer : i just wanted to make sure i won't break anything uninstalling apt :-) |
| 07:08.28 | jetscreamer | don't uninstal, reinstall |
| 07:08.29 | gpm | i don't get what level apt-get is...like i know aptitude is pretty high level and dpkg is lower level...is apt-get in the middle or something? |
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| 07:08.47 | gpm | uninstalling will hose you |
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| 07:09.00 | jetscreamer | aptitude is more of a package manager, with a list and stuff |
| 07:09.02 | o2T7 | hi |
| 07:09.13 | jetscreamer | like dselect |
| 07:09.14 | gpm | right |
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| 07:09.28 | solitude| | aptitude still has a lot mroe bugs than ap-get |
| 07:09.30 | gilead | hello |
| 07:09.33 | solitude| | apt-get* |
| 07:09.34 | gpm | but i mean, what the hell is apt-get, like why write it if we are supposed to just use a package manager anyway? |
| 07:09.37 | Rhoruns_ | if anyone can solve my network translation problem, you get $1 paypal, :D |
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| 07:09.41 | o2T7 | is it possible to auto activate numlock status with xorg.conf? |
| 07:09.45 | solitude| | apt-get IS a package manager |
| 07:09.55 | cafuego | gpm: take your meds dude |
| 07:09.59 | fireba11 | jetscreamer : reinstalled with aptitude, works now, thanks .-) |
| 07:10.06 | jetscreamer | no not as i think of a package manager it's not |
| 07:10.14 | gilead | anyone knows of a HOWTO-Upgrade-Ubuntu-To-Debian? :) |
| 07:10.15 | jetscreamer | i need a menu/list |
| 07:10.17 | gpm | thank you jetscreamer |
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| 07:10.26 | cafuego | apt-get is just a front-end |
| 07:10.30 | fireba11 | gilead: don't |
| 07:10.33 | gpm | that's what i initially thought |
| 07:10.34 | solitude| | for apt. yes |
| 07:10.35 | cafuego | a handy, quick, fairly light-weight front-end |
| 07:10.39 | gpm | and then someone told me i was wrong in here |
| 07:10.43 | jetscreamer | gilead: you can't, really.... not and have it clean, you will always have a few leftovers |
| 07:10.54 | cafuego | gpm: you shouldn't believe what people in here tell you |
| 07:10.57 | jetscreamer | gilead: best to back up /home and some /etc and install clean |
| 07:11.13 | gpm | cafuego: hehe. not sure how to take that :P |
| 07:11.20 | gilead | fireba11, jetscreamer: ok, thanks, I needed some confirmation before engaing in full reinstall |
| 07:11.37 | jetscreamer | gilead: if you have windows, goodbye-windows.com |
| 07:11.47 | gilead | hehe, no no window$ there :) |
| 07:11.49 | jetscreamer | !netinst |
| 07:11.49 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 07:11.52 | cafuego | gpm: Sometimes the "helpful" people have no idea what they're talking about. |
| 07:12.02 | jetscreamer | like me |
| 07:12.05 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 07:12.06 | cafuego | like jetscreamer |
| 07:12.12 | jetscreamer | right |
| 07:12.13 | cafuego | she knows nothing |
| 07:12.20 | jetscreamer | he |
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| 07:12.36 | gpm | lol |
| 07:12.39 | jetscreamer | judy jetson's boyfriend |
| 07:12.41 | Noborusan | what does this mean /bin/tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
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| 07:13.04 | jetscreamer | Noborusan: it means some didn't work |
| 07:13.07 | cafuego | Noborusan: a command invoked by tar encountered a problem |
| 07:13.11 | gpm | they should make a goodbye-ubuntu.com too |
| 07:13.16 | gpm | jk |
| 07:13.17 | cafuego | Noborusan: be it gunzip, gzip, whatever |
| 07:13.20 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 07:13.24 | Noborusan | Error Compressing the backup file backup-Aug-30-2007-1.tar.gz : /bin/tar: |
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| 07:13.37 | cafuego | gzip then :-) |
| 07:13.38 | Noborusan | cafuego, seems i need to install something ? |
| 07:13.51 | Noborusan | let me check |
| 07:14.07 | Noborusan | gzip is already installed |
| 07:14.20 | cafuego | Noborusan: What command did you run? |
| 07:14.29 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 07:14.29 | cafuego | Might i have been out of disk space? |
| 07:14.33 | cafuego | s/i/it/ |
| 07:14.42 | jetscreamer | it's trying to gzip the .gz file? |
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| 07:14.48 | gpm | cafuego: so the only way to real truth is man pages? but they're so dense and not-entertaining |
| 07:14.58 | Noborusan | cafuego, im not sure,its a webhosting panel,the user is now trying to do backups by using the built-in tool in the panel |
| 07:15.08 | jetscreamer | gpm: that's why they invented info pages |
| 07:15.16 | jetscreamer | then there's the html equivs |
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| 07:15.23 | Noborusan | cafuego, then those erros occured from the message sent from the panel to system. |
| 07:15.28 | troubled | runaway jury |
| 07:15.30 | cafuego | Noborusan: Offhand I'd guess a disk-full error. |
| 07:15.33 | gpm | that doesn't make them anymore entertaining |
| 07:15.36 | troubled | ECHAN |
| 07:15.38 | gpm | sadly |
| 07:15.42 | cafuego | Noborusan: tar worked ok, but it ran out of space trying to gzip the tarball. |
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| 07:15.58 | cafuego | gpm: apt-get install asr-manpages |
| 07:16.04 | Noborusan | cafuego, his total space is 2GB or so,and i give him 8GB disk space hmmm |
| 07:16.08 | jetscreamer | or it might not have had permission on some file ... i've had that error, but my hd wasn't full |
| 07:16.23 | o2T7 | Is it possible to configure NumLock for auto switching on at X start time? |
| 07:16.25 | jetscreamer | maybe the .files didn't make it |
| 07:16.26 | cafuego | Noborusan: ... but without any more specific errors, I dunno. Just guessing. |
| 07:16.42 | Noborusan | cafuego, there is a backup file has been done earlier,the file name is backup-Aug-14-2007-1.tar.gz |
| 07:16.42 | karsten | cafuego: You're bluffing. |
| 07:16.44 | gpm | cafuego: i'll use aptitude, thank you very much. cool package btw. |
| 07:16.48 | jetscreamer | yeah there was some problem like that |
| 07:16.52 | cafuego | karsten: I'm full of shit. |
| 07:16.59 | jetscreamer | and that was the error |
| 07:17.00 | yang | uh www.paypal.com with Internal server error? |
| 07:17.19 | Noborusan | cafuego, domains/cnc.jksing.com/public_html/web/include/sessions/sess_c92954b4ef2ead49e25eb7c4bdc4e702: Cannot open: Permission denied |
| 07:17.38 | Noborusan | cafuego, that error message is sent by the panel about the backup thing |
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| 07:17.44 | jetscreamer | gee |
| 07:18.02 | jetscreamer | so guess who seems to have been right... cafuego ? no... |
| 07:18.16 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 07:18.21 | cafuego | Hey, I *did* say I was guessing :-) |
| 07:18.39 | cafuego | Noborusan: Ok. So the backup will be complete, except for that file. |
| 07:18.54 | cafuego | and/or others that it didn't have permissions for. |
| 07:18.54 | jetscreamer | yeah, that and any other problems ones |
| 07:19.01 | jetscreamer | should be a log somewhere eh? |
| 07:19.19 | karsten | Noborusan: 'df' is your friend. What was the tar command in question? |
| 07:19.26 | cafuego | This is why we make rdiff-backup send us email :-) |
| 07:19.54 | Noborusan | karsten, i dont know,its been done by the panel itself |
| 07:20.00 | cafuego | You don't care about the php session data file |
| 07:20.03 | Noborusan | cafuego,hmmm |
| 07:20.12 | cafuego | it's temp storage |
| 07:20.19 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 07:20.23 | Noborusan | cafuego, you mean the backup proces is okay,ignore those warning mess is fine ? |
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| 07:20.37 | jetscreamer | right... check it out first, zless it |
| 07:20.38 | cafuego | Noborusan: For that specific file yes. |
| 07:20.46 | karsten | Noborusan: What panel? |
| 07:20.49 | jetscreamer | err nm just check it out |
| 07:20.56 | Noborusan | cafuego, this user takes 1.9GB or so diskspace that is what the panel says,now the backup file just created is 1.4GB or so |
| 07:20.59 | cafuego | Noborusan: It's just a temp file sued by php to store data associated with an active web session. |
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| 07:21.06 | Noborusan | karsten, directadmin |
| 07:21.08 | karsten | Noborusan: Ah. is there any logging of commands / errors w/in the pannel? |
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| 07:21.16 | karsten | Noborusan: otherwise you're pretty much screwed. |
| 07:21.28 | Noborusan | karsten, yeah |
| 07:21.43 | karsten | cafuego: use aptitude. |
| 07:21.46 | Noborusan | karsten, this user has done a backup once,and its a sucess |
| 07:21.47 | jetscreamer | just don't felch a wife |
| 07:21.55 | karsten | cafuego: That way you can upgrade it whenever there's an improved version available. |
| 07:22.19 | Noborusan | karsten, so right after its done, the panel sent a message to imform the user says the backup is created succesfully by sending a message to the user |
| 07:22.40 | Noborusan | karsten, now ,this time the backup process however,sent a message like this,hold on |
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| 07:23.36 | jetscreamer | sent,sent,sentsentsent |
| 07:23.42 | jetscreamer | resentment |
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| 07:27.33 | Nyle | hey |
| 07:27.37 | Nyle | whats up |
| 07:27.54 | jetscreamer | here, your alter ego |
| 07:28.00 | Nyle | this pidgeon irc client aint bad |
| 07:28.01 | linomix | the sky |
| 07:28.20 | jetscreamer | pidgin isn't it |
| 07:28.25 | jetscreamer | aka gaim |
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| 07:28.34 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ? |
| 07:28.34 | Nyle | alter ego? |
| 07:28.43 | Nyle | gain indeed |
| 07:28.44 | jetscreamer | foget it, STONED |
| 07:28.51 | jetscreamer | r |
| 07:29.02 | Nyle | hey this sucks |
| 07:29.05 | Noborusan | karsten, http://pastebin.ca/675537 |
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| 07:29.11 | jetscreamer | !slap nyle |
| 07:29.14 | jetscreamer | gay |
| 07:29.17 | jetscreamer | err gah |
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| 07:30.49 | fireba11 | hm .. i can't compile openssl on my box. . neither the one from the package i tried to install (openssl 0.9.8e) nor the oen from debian repositories (0.9.8.c) .. naturally i can file a bug but i'd rather need it fixed fast .. any ideas what esle i could do ? |
| 07:30.52 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:30.55 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:30.56 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:30.58 | stoned | hey |
| 07:30.58 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.01 | stoned | whats up |
| 07:31.01 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.03 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.03 | stoned | am I here? |
| 07:31.06 | jetscreamer | !ops battlefrank |
| 07:31.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: battlefrank |
| 07:31.07 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:31.08 | stoned | can you see me jetscreamer |
| 07:31.09 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.09 | Noborusan | i think maybe what cafuego said is right |
| 07:31.11 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.11 | troubled | !ops Battlefrank was kicks in #defocus as well |
| 07:31.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: troubled complains about: Battlefrank was kicks in #defocus as well |
| 07:31.13 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.17 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.21 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.24 | stoned | balls indeed |
| 07:31.25 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.27 | stoned | now stfu |
| 07:31.27 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.31 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
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| 07:31.37 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.39 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.41 | Noborusan | please kick that spammer |
| 07:31.41 | Battlefrank | BALLS OF STEEL |
| 07:31.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o tomaw] by ChanServ |
| 07:31.43 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@ppp-69-214-1-180.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] by tomaw |
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| 07:31.48 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 07:31.49 | fireba11 | thanks |
| 07:31.51 | Noborusan | thanks |
| 07:32.02 | jetscreamer | !congratulate tomaw |
| 07:32.02 | dpkg | Huzzah tomaw, you did it! |
| 07:32.07 | tomaw | :) |
| 07:32.14 | stoned | hey can you see me? |
| 07:32.19 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 07:32.21 | stoned | ok |
| 07:32.33 | stoned | jetscreamer: I can't see myself |
| 07:32.42 | stoned | brb |
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| 07:32.57 | Noborusan | cafuego, yeah,the error message indicates,the backup process met errors when trying to backup the users' file domains/cnc.jksing.com/public_html/web/include/sessions |
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| 07:33.13 | stoned | hello hi |
| 07:33.13 | Noborusan | and this 'web' thing is still underconstruction |
| 07:33.18 | stoned | can you see my text? |
| 07:33.23 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 07:33.31 | jetscreamer | !ignore stoned |
| 07:33.38 | stoned | ok cool |
| 07:34.01 | stoned | I think my ignore mast on that balls guy screwed up |
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| 07:34.10 | stoned | i think i ignored everybody instead of just him |
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| 07:34.27 | jetscreamer | i never bother.. i've ignored one person ever. |
| 07:34.32 | stoned | me too |
| 07:34.49 | stoned | the only person who ever made it to my ignore list is mr. abortman |
| 07:34.52 | stoned | boratman |
| 07:34.54 | stoned | whatever |
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| 07:35.47 | gpm | what? he's alright |
| 07:35.48 | jetscreamer | ab-rot-man |
| 07:36.05 | gpm | a. brotman? |
| 07:36.07 | jetscreamer | yeh they don't get along... i think they're both ok though |
| 07:36.44 | gpm | huh |
| 07:36.51 | stoned | I find him to be extremely annoying |
| 07:37.01 | gpm | i can see that, but his heart's in the right place. |
| 07:37.04 | stoned | rude, and aggrivating, and disrespectful |
| 07:37.16 | gpm | just a little anal is all, methinks |
| 07:37.17 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:37.18 | stoned | hitler's heart was in the right place too, for him. |
| 07:37.37 | solitude| | nah, abrotman is a decent guy |
| 07:37.45 | solitude| | just a little abrasive at times |
| 07:37.50 | jetscreamer | <stoned> rude, and aggrivating, and disrespectful |
| 07:37.58 | solitude| | but helpful! |
| 07:38.08 | jetscreamer | -_- |
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| 07:38.26 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 07:38.34 | stoned | I don't need his help, so I don't really need to see his text, or anyone trying to address him, or any line containing the word 'abrotman' |
| 07:39.01 | jetscreamer | always nice to be blissful and unaware |
| 07:39.11 | stoned | selectively though, yes |
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| 07:40.29 | SteamMachine | Hi all |
| 07:41.10 | SteamMachine | I'm looking for a command line music player and I've completely forgotten the name of it. I can't find it in apt-cache... |
| 07:41.34 | SteamMachine | I remember what it looked like, etc... so if anyone has any suggestions, it would be most helpful. |
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| 07:43.52 | jchbxl | hello , i ve just installed debian on a computer and i wish where is located by default the .config file for kernel building |
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| 07:45.28 | jetscreamer | it will use the running config |
| 07:45.36 | jetscreamer | just do make menuconfig |
| 07:45.42 | jetscreamer | or make oldconfig |
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| 07:45.47 | jetscreamer | /boot/config-whatever |
| 07:45.52 | jetscreamer | ==.config |
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| 07:46.12 | jetscreamer | you don't hve to cp it but you can |
| 07:46.29 | jetscreamer | or a different |
| 07:48.21 | jchbxl | so config files are stored in /boot/ |
| 07:48.48 | jetscreamer | !kp |
| 07:48.48 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 07:57.31 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to boot a Linux which is installed on a USB Key using a bootable CD? My laptop dosn't support booting from USB unfortunately. So I though I might be able to just download a LiveCD using GRUB, and then point 'root', 'kernel' and 'initrd' to the flash device instead. Possible ? |
| 07:58.08 | Kevin` | Jemt grub won't be able to access the usb key, as the bios doesn't support it. you would have to put the kernel on the cd |
| 07:58.21 | Kevin` | (or a floppy, or whatever) |
| 07:58.59 | Guerin | master your own cd |
| 07:59.07 | Guerin | use the usb key as /home or something |
| 07:59.18 | Guerin | it's a pain, but them's the breaks |
| 07:59.50 | solitude | why? |
| 08:00.05 | solitude | that doesnt make sense |
| 08:00.51 | solitude | Jemt, i would first see if theres a bios update that allows usb booting |
| 08:01.08 | solitude | gah, whats that linux ditro called thats made for this stuff |
| 08:01.53 | solitude | only n00bs cock up bios updates |
| 08:02.09 | Guerin | solitude: complete bullshit. |
| 08:02.10 | solitude | ive been doing it since 1993/4 without a single fail |
| 08:02.39 | solitude | as long as the bios update isnt corrupt and theres no power failurem, it takes incompetence to screw it p |
| 08:02.40 | Guerin | it can happen to anyone. What you're saying is like `I'm, a good driver, I can handle a few drinks' |
| 08:02.49 | solitude | no, its not |
| 08:03.03 | ameyer | what have I started? |
| 08:03.11 | solitude | as long as you hve a stable power supply (or UPS) and check the md5 of the bios image, theres no reason for it to fail |
| 08:03.17 | Guerin | ameyer: a one-sided pissing contest |
| 08:03.18 | Jemt | Thanks guys. I'll just use my other laptop then. It supports booting from USB |
| 08:03.30 | Guerin | Jemt: much saner. |
| 08:03.30 | solitude | it has nothing to do with that |
| 08:03.38 | Jemt | :) |
| 08:03.39 | fluxdude | after upgrading to xorg-x11-7.2 when I leave my workstation overnight I come back in the morning and the monitor says no signal. I have to switch to console and then back to X to get it to actually display the screen. Any ideas on this or how to stop this behaviour? |
| 08:04.57 | ameyer | umm, you could try just pressing a key or moving a mouse to bring it back |
| 08:05.11 | ameyer | and it's probably power-saving gone wild |
| 08:06.06 | ameyer | hmm, I wonder if I could get direct rendering working on my ancient lappy |
| 08:06.49 | ameyer | with a really, really old ATI graphics chipset |
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| 08:08.16 | solitude | how old? |
| 08:08.28 | solitude | i remember having success onm an old dell with an ATi Rage card |
| 08:08.31 | solitude | an* |
| 08:08.40 | solitude | (Rage mobility 4mb perhaps?) |
| 08:08.59 | solitude | the ati drivers eve worked with it, which was rather nice |
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| 08:11.34 | ameyer | solitude: Rage Mobility 8 MB I think |
| 08:11.47 | solitude | you should be fine :) |
| 08:11.53 | Guerin | fuckssakes |
| 08:11.59 | solitude | sounds like yone, but possibly with more ram |
| 08:12.01 | Guerin | stupid x forwarding doesn't seem to be working |
| 08:12.05 | solitude | my one* |
| 08:12.14 | ameyer | afaik the it predates the ATI rootkit^Wproprietary driver |
| 08:12.15 | solitude | that laptop is working as a media centre now i believe. |
| 08:12.22 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 08:12.23 | solitude | hrmm, really? |
| 08:12.33 | geo-rge | yep... hmmm |
| 08:12.56 | ameyer | umm, as far as I know, it's from the days when ATI provided specs to open-source developers |
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| 08:13.12 | solitude | ah es |
| 08:13.18 | geo-rge | rootkit? |
| 08:13.23 | solitude | it works with the "ati" xorg driver |
| 08:13.34 | solitude | with xorg 7.2 anyway, |
| 08:13.53 | geo-rge | does that driver give root access out/. |
| 08:13.56 | geo-rge | ?\ |
| 08:14.18 | ameyer | geo-rge: well, it's closed-source kernel-mode code |
| 08:14.37 | geo-rge | oic, any such could be a rootkit |
| 08:14.45 | solitude | well .... |
| 08:14.50 | ameyer | geo-rge: as dar as I'm concerned it pwns you if you use it until proven otherwise |
| 08:14.52 | solitude | the open sourve nvidia one had a root exploit |
| 08:14.55 | ameyer | *far |
| 08:14.55 | geo-rge | generalizing :) |
| 08:15.06 | geo-rge | btw |
| 08:15.10 | ameyer | solitude: I thought that was the closed one |
| 08:15.16 | solitude | open source doesnt make itautomatically safe, and closed source doesnt necessarilymake it unsafe |
| 08:15.20 | geo-rge | I got my new machine going pretty easily |
| 08:15.23 | solitude | ameyer, memory could fail me ... |
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| 08:15.49 | geo-rge | it's a asus N2M??-VM |
| 08:15.56 | Supaplex|roaming | solitude: what, no RMA? ;) |
| 08:16.28 | solitude | Supaplex|roaming? |
| 08:16.31 | geo-rge | no, I got it wrong, it' |
| 08:16.32 | Lukemob | Hi there, is there any way how to check out how many MB's does my graphic card have? |
| 08:16.36 | geo-rge | s a M2NPV-VM |
| 08:16.47 | Supaplex|roaming | solitude: failed memory = defective = get it replaced = RMA |
| 08:16.52 | Supaplex|roaming | </joke> |
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| 08:17.02 | solitude | ah, a little slow this morning :) |
| 08:17.05 | solitude | did another all nighter |
| 08:17.23 | Supaplex|roaming | on that note I'll hit the sack. nite :) |
| 08:17.33 | solitude | gn |
| 08:17.59 | Guerin | ok, sanity check: x forwarding is on in sshd_config; i ssh -X in. what should DISPLAY be to use my local x display :0.0, rather than the one on the remote machine? |
| 08:18.05 | Lukemob | guys, any ideas? |
| 08:18.11 | geo-rge | and, it has an nvidia card builtin |
| 08:18.23 | semprix | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 08:18.30 | semprix | what could be causing the error on this? |
| 08:18.33 | semprix | ssh |
| 08:18.39 | solitude | Guerin, sounds feasible to me :s |
| 08:18.48 | geo-rge | I'm not really sure I want to use X on that machine.... but I'd rather not limit myself |
| 08:18.51 | Guerin | solitude: that's not an answer to a question |
| 08:19.04 | Guerin | the question was `what should DISPLAY be? |
| 08:19.05 | Guerin | ' |
| 08:19.24 | geo-rge | the address of a display? |
| 08:19.25 | Lukemob | There's no way then. :( |
| 08:19.39 | cast|iaw | i run xhost +local: for some reason, before ssh i think |
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| 08:19.47 | Guerin | geo-rge: to what VALUE should it be set? |
| 08:19.58 | geo-rge | no idea :) |
| 08:20.16 | geo-rge | but I used to do this all the time... |
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| 08:20.33 | geo-rge | xbase-clients installed on the remote? |
| 08:21.18 | Guerin | geo-rge: yes. |
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| 08:21.30 | Guerin | i've done this a million times, and i can't figure why it's not wotking |
| 08:21.33 | Guerin | graah] |
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| 08:21.59 | geo-rge | hmm, there is a -vvvv... on ssh you could do |
| 08:22.23 | geo-rge | it itsn't easy... |
| 08:22.29 | geo-rge | ...being green... |
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| 08:25.23 | cast|iaw | Guerin: have you tried asking in #ubuntu? (: |
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| 08:25.39 | Lukemob | is there any way how to check out how many MB's does my graphic card have? |
| 08:26.05 | Guerin | Lukemob: eyeometer |
| 08:26.23 | Lukemob | Guerin? |
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| 08:26.30 | Guerin | !eyeometer |
| 08:26.30 | dpkg | if you don't know, FUCKING LOOK AT IT. |
| 08:26.39 | Lukemob | ;D |
| 08:26.54 | cast|iaw | if you're using nvidia the nvidia tools might know |
| 08:28.27 | geo-rge | eyeo |
| 08:28.28 | geo-rge | eyeo |
| 08:28.35 | geo-rge | it's off the cliff I go |
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| 08:29.16 | fireba11 | Lukemob: usually it's printed somewhere on the card too :-D |
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| 08:29.51 | yopyop | hello, didnt an upgrade some days ago on my sid, and now i coulnt mount my nfs anymore, i got this error mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on xx.xx.xx.xx:/home/bla. i can put a wrong ip or the correct, i always got this error |
| 08:30.17 | fireba11 | yopyop: it's sid alright .-) |
| 08:30.18 | geo-rge | yopyop: you could be the first person to report that problem |
| 08:30.47 | geo-rge | or not.... try bugs.debian.org |
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| 08:32.09 | geo-rge | cast|iaw: I' |
| 08:32.16 | geo-rge | cast|iaw: me you mean? |
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| 08:32.30 | geo-rge | I'm using that mobo which has a builtin nvidia |
| 08:32.57 | geo-rge | tried just installing x on it, that didn't work well... it's a server anyway tho |
| 08:33.19 | cast|iaw | i ment Lukemob, didn't know you had x problems too |
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| 08:33.33 | Rapp | is there something akin to "make cloneconfig" on debian? |
| 08:34.02 | geo-rge | asus M2NPV-VM |
| 08:34.02 | Rapp | with opensuse, make cloneconfig copies the current kernel config to the new kernel source ... |
| 08:34.06 | simonrvn_ | well that's one way to kill a DoS heheh |
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| 08:34.50 | cast|iaw | oh, do you know what provoked the dos? |
| 08:35.32 | cast|iaw | Rapp: zcat /proc/config.gz > .config # :D or something |
| 08:35.33 | Rapp | ok, found it: /boot/config-versionnumber |
| 08:35.38 | Rapp | cast|iaw, thanks! |
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| 08:35.58 | cast|iaw | that having the config in /proc is pretty handy |
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| 08:36.17 | simonrvn | cast|iaw: sure is |
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| 08:37.38 | Rapp | hm, debian doesnt have a kernel with mac80211 included, or does it?> |
| 08:37.49 | Guerin | cast|iaw: you're letting them take your FREEDOM |
| 08:37.54 | fluxdude | ameyer: no even if I log back in to my screensaver it doesn't come back, I have to ctrl-alt-f1 and then ctrl-alt-f7 to display the screen |
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| 08:38.25 | simonrvn | cast|iaw: wth |
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| 08:38.45 | Yopyop | i love when a upgrade made gdm restart ... |
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| 08:39.13 | simonrvn | irssi doesn't notice ;) |
| 08:39.20 | Yopyop | :) |
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| 08:39.23 | diafic_ | WTF |
| 08:39.24 | simonrvn | (+ screen) |
| 08:39.27 | Yopyop | nfs problem solve |
| 08:39.30 | cast|iaw | Guerin: you know....my uni's computer privacy policy is along the lines of "you don't have any privacy, thus it can never be infringed upon" |
| 08:39.37 | diafic_ | iceweasel segfaulted loading slashdot and bash |
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| 08:39.46 | Yopyop | upgrade didnt solve it yesterday, it did today |
| 08:39.53 | Guerin | cast|iaw: a major reason I enver use the computers at my school |
| 08:39.53 | simonrvn | diafic_: no big loss ;) |
| 08:40.00 | diafic_ | ssh you :P |
| 08:40.01 | Rapp | which kernel has mac80211 in it? 2.6.22 or only the .23rc? |
| 08:40.04 | Guerin | or my work, for that matter, for anything other than trivia |
| 08:40.07 | Lukemob | Thanks guys, no problem. |
| 08:40.38 | diafic_ | bash.org segfaults iceweasel. |
| 08:40.44 | diafic_ | The retardation is too much |
| 08:40.49 | Guerin | diafic_: only in your case |
| 08:40.58 | Guerin | i blame plugins and extensions |
| 08:41.03 | diafic_ | This is a freshly installed machine :| |
| 08:41.07 | diafic_ | i386 |
| 08:41.08 | simonrvn | *cough*flashblock*cough* |
| 08:41.11 | Guerin | WORKSFORME |
| 08:41.16 | diafic_ | No flash installed :| |
| 08:41.35 | geo-rge | flash sucks these days |
| 08:41.41 | diafic_ | yes, it does |
| 08:41.42 | simonrvn | *cough*flashblock*cough* |
| 08:41.45 | Guerin | s/ these days// |
| 08:41.58 | geo-rge | I like youtube thos |
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| 08:42.15 | geo-rge | so I can see the funny cats |
| 08:42.44 | simonrvn | i can't snarf youtube stuff anymore, stuff like "ghost dance" ... we have the album, it's not like we're gonna sell it ... *sigh* |
| 08:42.46 | Guerin | youtube has nothing much to do with flash |
| 08:42.58 | simonrvn | their player does |
| 08:42.58 | Guerin | youtube-dl is a far superior client than the flash client |
| 08:43.05 | geo-rge | except that it uses it |
| 08:43.16 | geo-rge | dl? |
| 08:43.16 | simonrvn | Guerin: hm? |
| 08:43.42 | simonrvn | do tell |
| 08:43.43 | Guerin | youtube-dl |
| 08:43.54 | Guerin | it's in debian and it's teh awesomes |
| 08:43.59 | Guerin | a cli client for youtube :) |
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| 08:44.29 | simonrvn | FUCK YES. TYSVM |
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| 08:44.51 | Guerin | GTBOS :) |
| 08:45.00 | geo-rge | hmm, now I can get the Jaco Pastorius instructional video |
| 08:45.39 | geo-rge | Get The Brains Of Spiderman? |
| 08:45.54 | simonrvn | updated recently too... should work with the recent fuckerages youtube did |
| 08:46.11 | simonrvn | fuckerages is TM me :P |
| 08:46.21 | simonrvn | j/k, fuck TM |
| 08:46.40 | Guerin | geo-rge: Gloating To Be of Sausage |
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| 08:46.48 | cast|iaw | awesome @ youtube-dl |
| 08:47.36 | simonrvn | WOOOOT |
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| 08:48.10 | simonrvn | BTW, i'd suggest checking that video out. it will hit you like a tonne of bricks |
| 08:48.35 | geo-rge | which? |
| 08:48.47 | geo-rge | your bird left btw |
| 08:49.03 | cast|iaw | 'Some videos require an account to be downloaded, mostly because they're flagged as mature content.' i noticed one plus of the youtube ff video downloader passwd, though unreliable - sometimes the site goes down, it dose let you download flagged videos without needing a youtube login :) |
| 08:49.17 | cast|iaw | video downloader pluggin* |
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| 08:50.40 | cast|iaw | d-i needs to ask before it starts trying to scan for security updates -_- it can't get past the firewall |
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| 08:54.04 | simonrvn | cast|iaw: i was trying to use it earlier, and kept saying "unsupported blah" (yes youtube) |
| 08:54.22 | OhMyGods | hello?who have written the .so? |
| 08:54.27 | eljo__ | can anyone recommend a sata pci-x controller card with 4 connectors, no hardware raid? |
| 08:54.53 | simonrvn | OhMyGods: what? |
| 08:55.07 | cast|iaw | simonrvn: yeah, ive had that error the last few days too... |
| 08:55.19 | OhMyGods | simonrvn: sorry for my english. I want to call a .so by dlopen |
| 08:56.16 | OhMyGods | simonrvn: I can direct call the function,but I cann't call it by dlopen |
| 08:56.25 | REGJAVA | Is there any way to split a huge text file of size 500 mb using grep? |
| 08:56.49 | simonrvn | grep doesn't split files, split does |
| 08:57.03 | geo-rge | REGJAVA: you could do something like that in perl |
| 08:57.31 | xlq | awk? |
| 08:57.49 | Guerin | why use anything other than split? |
| 08:58.08 | Guerin | if you need to split by some semantic means use csplit |
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| 08:58.40 | karmatronic | hi there |
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| 08:58.43 | gilead | eljo__: not jmicron. I have it and Debian doesn't like it (at least its testing distro installer) |
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| 08:59.57 | eljo__ | gilead, hardware support for sata cards feels like it's 1995 again - this time with proprietary drivers though :/ |
| 09:01.02 | simonrvn | OhMyGods: ask in #c ;) |
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| 09:01.04 | REGJAVA | Thanks I used split! |
| 09:01.07 | techbee | cast|iaw:they released new version of youtube-dl 2 days ago and its avialable in sid too |
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| 09:01.56 | Guerin | what's forcing you to? |
| 09:02.12 | Guerin | anything requiring you to sign up is not worth it, by definition |
| 09:02.22 | gilead | eljo__: yeah, proprietary drivers suck. I'd rather have incomplete-but-improving free driver than proprietary one with little or no hope of improvement |
| 09:02.48 | cast|iaw | unfortunately youtube has a culture of flagging anything remotely interesting as adults only |
| 09:03.00 | cast|iaw | thus needing a login to see |
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| 09:03.38 | gilead | I don't care about registration as long as it's only username/passowrd/email |
| 09:04.16 | cast|iaw | Hile gunslinger! |
| 09:04.35 | karmatronic | ? |
| 09:04.42 | yang | I have Core 2 duo processor and I am using kernel-486, the kernel-686 doesnt recognise my drive properly. But in -486 it only shows that I use 900MB of memory, however I have 2Gb inside... |
| 09:05.06 | Rhoruns_ | switch to AMD, that'll fix your problem. :D |
| 09:05.20 | Kevin` | heh |
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| 09:05.49 | Kevin` | those would both be simple fixes if you compiled your own kernel, want to? |
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| 09:11.05 | dbmoodb | hi how do i change my ext3 partition into an encrypted luks one ? |
| 09:11.16 | dbmoodb | and what kind of performance hit should i expect from doing this ? |
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| 09:12.01 | cast|iaw | hmm. should i be using tetex or texlive? |
| 09:12.15 | geo-rge | dbmoodb: back up entire drive partition-by-partition, back up partition table, delete partition, create partition, format partition, restore partition. |
| 09:12.29 | floundering | Hi, I need to get an interactive whiteboard session started for windows and debian (not gnome) and would like suggestions as to the most likely client? |
| 09:12.44 | geo-rge | (risk data loss by any other method goes up from zero) |
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| 09:12.58 | themill | cast|iaw: tetex is dead and scheduled for removal but has a known set of bugs; texlive will be used by default for lenny and later but doesn't (yet) work as a drop-in replacement. |
| 09:13.47 | cast|iaw | i'd tarball his current ext3 partition, then just cryptsetup luksFormat it :), then luksOpen and mkfs.ext3; tar xf |
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| 09:14.12 | geo-rge | floundering: maybe some web application |
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| 09:14.55 | gilead | floundering: vnc if you've got fast network |
| 09:14.58 | dbmoodb | cast your crazy |
| 09:15.12 | cast|iaw | ...and why is that? |
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| 09:15.55 | dbmoodb | because what you just said is crazy |
| 09:16.16 | cast|iaw | you might want a dd if=/dev/frandom of=/dev/sdXX bs=4M in there or something |
| 09:16.25 | geo-rge | dbmoodb: *shrug* I dunno, the method you pick should probably be directly related to the likelihood he'll kill you for losing his data |
| 09:17.14 | cast|iaw | i'm not following you dbmoodb but ok... |
| 09:17.16 | dbmoodb | it's my data and there is no likelihood i have a backup of what is on this computer elsewhere |
| 09:17.32 | dbmoodb | so maybe i should just reinstall debian from scratch then lol ? |
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| 09:17.40 | cast|iaw | geo-rge: see, he doesn't have a backup. he doesn't want his data anyway :) |
| 09:17.52 | geo-rge | ok, so then delete the partition, create, format, restore from the existing backup |
| 09:18.01 | dbmoodb | absolutely none - not at all - sic of course i have a backup |
| 09:18.03 | cast|iaw | dbmoodb: is this partition you are trying to move to crypted /? |
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| 09:18.12 | dbmoodb | ah encrypted |
| 09:18.23 | geo-rge | cast|iaw: my point was that if he didn't have one, he would start by backing up the entire drive |
| 09:18.47 | dbmoodb | why are you suggesting i make my ext3 smaller - make a luks partition and then move my data across then ? |
| 09:18.53 | dbmoodb | that seems logical |
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| 09:19.32 | cast|iaw | dbmoodb: so is this the root partition or not? |
| 09:19.42 | dbmoodb | yeah it is currently / |
| 09:20.07 | geo-rge | then you should probably do this in single-user mode |
| 09:20.23 | geo-rge | otherwise the partition will change while you do this |
| 09:20.26 | cast|iaw | dbmoodb: ok, then i'd reinstall debian, its probably easier that way...otherwise you'll have to set up crypttab, a seperate /boot etc.. |
| 09:20.37 | dbmoodb | are you serious ? |
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| 09:20.41 | dbmoodb | really - do a reinstall ? |
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| 09:21.05 | xlq | dbmoodb: use a livecd |
| 09:21.05 | cast|iaw | you don't have to. just what i'd do :) |
| 09:21.08 | dbmoodb | isn't there an easy way of having my data copied then ? |
| 09:21.21 | geo-rge | well you -do- say you have a backup... the other requirement is that you're able to reinstall it without an os being present on the drive |
| 09:21.22 | dbmoodb | i'm talking about stuff in /etc |
| 09:21.43 | efaistos | do you know why evolution doesnt apply the filter rules automatically ? |
| 09:21.54 | jchbxl | is there a tool that can compare two config files (kernel .config) ? |
| 09:21.58 | dbmoodb | i mean i have a backup of files and media that are mine. I do not have a backup of /etc , /usr etc. |
| 09:22.10 | geo-rge | evolution is only filtered by natural selection |
| 09:22.39 | geo-rge | jchbxl: mmmmmm,,,, diff |
| 09:23.04 | efaistos | jchbxl: diff |
| 09:23.09 | efaistos | or vim |
| 09:23.22 | geo-rge | vim probably uses diff |
| 09:23.30 | geo-rge | if it doesn't it should |
| 09:23.37 | efaistos | geo-rge: yeah i think so ... |
| 09:24.06 | efaistos | nobody for the evolution stuff ? |
| 09:24.18 | geo-rge | I don't use evolution |
| 09:24.41 | geo-rge | and fortunately I also have no use for creationism :P |
| 09:25.08 | themill | efaistos: I used to use evolution.... don't you need to tick a "apply automatically" box for them to work? |
| 09:25.25 | efaistos | themill: i'll check ... |
| 09:25.34 | efaistos | i prefer mutt but need the calendar ... |
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| 09:25.40 | efaistos | for personal mails i'm using mutt |
| 09:26.11 | themill | efaistos: I haven't used evo for about 2 years and (I hope!) things have changed since then. |
| 09:26.32 | efaistos | themill: cant find that option |
| 09:26.43 | themill | :( |
| 09:27.28 | efaistos | found it in the preferences one ... |
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| 09:29.52 | geo-rge | how many /tmps do you gots?? |
| 09:31.02 | Guerin | `when you open a document from an email attachment, it goes into a temporary place called /tmp, which disappears when you turn the computer off. So if you want it, you have to putn it someplace permanent.' |
| 09:31.36 | geo-rge | oh, teachin stuff :) |
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| 09:32.00 | Guerin | it's painful |
| 09:32.22 | geo-rge | pain... hmm :) |
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| 09:33.09 | ketsa | hello, how can I install the latest wine 0.9.41 package from unstable, on my current -testing- install |
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| 09:34.06 | dbmoodb | - you can build it from source or try the backports ketsa |
| 09:34.25 | wols | ketsa: winehq also has debs |
| 09:34.52 | dbmoodb | - don't ketsa need some updated stuff to go with the debs ? |
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| 09:34.59 | dbmoodb | won't * instead of don't |
| 09:35.08 | JediMaster | is there anyone who could give me a hand with a really annoying NFS issue? been trying to fix what was working for months and suddenly stopped working for 2 days now =( |
| 09:35.41 | ebw | Hello! I'm on lenny and have now bought a nvidia graficscard. As the packages seem to be available only in unstable, I will download those and install them, but I need to know, which packages I need. Are nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx enough? |
| 09:36.01 | Guerin | ebw: you fail. |
| 09:36.17 | ebw | Guerin: Huh? |
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| 09:36.32 | dbmoodb | he doesn't fail |
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| 09:36.47 | Guerin | he fails for expecting nvidia gear to work |
| 09:36.49 | ketsa | I m on lenny and I installed the driver from Nvidia. works great. |
| 09:37.03 | Guerin | ketsa: and it will break horribly next time you upgrade |
| 09:37.06 | dbmoodb | what ? - ... it does normally but not with the pretty stuff |
| 09:37.24 | Guerin | dbmoodb: yes, nv works fine. |
| 09:37.25 | ebw | Guerin: What are you talking about? |
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| 09:37.46 | Guerin | ebw: nvidia being crap. |
| 09:37.48 | ebw | ketsa: You talk about the legacy stuff? |
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| 09:38.01 | ketsa | just reinstall the driver when it breaks because of an upgrade. |
| 09:38.06 | ebw | Guerin: What graphicscard do you use? |
| 09:38.31 | ketsa | not legacy. legacy from nvidia is for older cards. |
| 09:38.44 | Guerin | ebw: depends on the box. My main one is some onboard thing, i have a radeon of some flavour in my laptop, and a tnt2 in my other box |
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| 09:39.00 | ebw | ahh, so nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source are the right things to download? |
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| 09:39.05 | Guerin | but the point is not so much the cards are crap (they're not) - it's the DRIVERS which are crap |
| 09:39.44 | ketsa | ebw dont look at packages from debian. download the driver from www.nvidia.com |
| 09:39.45 | ebw | Guerin: But for which modern gaming card you get good drivers for linux? |
| 09:39.54 | geo-rge | ls |
| 09:39.55 | ebw | ketsa: ahhh. |
| 09:40.01 | Guerin | ebw: why would you use linux as a gaming platform? |
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| 09:40.11 | ix | Guerin: why not? |
| 09:40.17 | Guerin | ix: there's no rational reason to do so. |
| 09:40.21 | xlq | SuperTux ftw :) |
| 09:40.33 | Guerin | xlq: yep, edge cases exist. |
| 09:41.01 | ix | Guerin: I work with ship simulation. We only use linux machines. And by the way, that's not an argument, that's a logical fallacy. |
| 09:41.12 | Guerin | but in general terms, windows is simply better supported and suited to it ... and since you're already using broken crappy proprietary software (the game and the driver) you might as well go the whole hog |
| 09:41.47 | Guerin | ix: ship simulation is another edge case ... and it's not gaming, which was the initial point. |
| 09:41.54 | ix | surely it is. :) |
| 09:42.08 | ix | Guerin: but I get your point, if he's using proprietary software. |
| 09:42.10 | cast|iaw | what do you simulate regarding to ships? |
| 09:42.12 | Guerin | oh, it's not work? |
| 09:42.19 | ix | cast|iaw: behaveiour. |
| 09:42.21 | Guerin | silly me, I thought you said `I work with ...' |
| 09:42.46 | ix | Guerin: it's still very closely related to game development. |
| 09:42.57 | cast|iaw | CFD models of the hull/prop? |
| 09:43.33 | ix | cast|iaw: we do ship handling courses abd use the simulator for educational purposes. |
| 09:43.43 | Guerin | ix: again ... development is not what I was on about., If you ened robust dev tools, then sure. But if you're a g4m3r d00d, then using linux is just a handbrake. Or a mark of 1337n355, whichever way you see it. |
| 09:43.46 | ix | (plus it's developed on site, but we buy the models) |
| 09:44.08 | Guerin | ix: that sounds like a cool line of work though |
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| 09:44.20 | geo-rge | Guerin: so windows is the whole hog... I like it :) |
| 09:44.36 | ix | Guerin: I concur. There's no reason to use linux if all you want to do with it is to play end-user commercial games. |
| 09:44.43 | Guerin | geo-rge: if you listen closely, you can hear it squeal like a pig ... oh wait, that's the *user* |
| 09:44.49 | ix | ... compiled for another platform. |
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| 09:44.59 | ix | Guerin: it is ;) |
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| 09:45.38 | cast|iaw | ix: ohh...i get it. sorry, was thinking simulations for the sake of design, not learning how to drive :) |
| 09:46.08 | geo-rge | is neverwinter still doing linux on client and server? |
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| 09:46.18 | ix | cast|iaw: very closely related, though ;) |
| 09:46.44 | geo-rge | nfs is weird... deal with it :) |
| 09:47.11 | JediMaster | nfs is just plain timing out, and I can't figure out why |
| 09:47.25 | cast|iaw | ix: am making a FEM river model right now, so such things interest me |
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| 09:48.14 | ix | cast|iaw: oh, sounds like an interesting job, too :) |
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| 09:48.37 | ix | partial differential equations, etc.? |
| 09:49.02 | cast|iaw | based on reynolds form of navier stokes in 3D |
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| 09:49.22 | ix | neat :) |
| 09:49.37 | cast|iaw | it is when it works! things don't always converge |
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| 09:50.38 | ix | cast|iaw: tried FDM? |
| 09:50.59 | Guerin | i'm making a unified priority-based, time-sensitive queuing system which degrades gracefully when faced with low capacity (and therefore unmet deadlines) |
| 09:52.25 | PerfDave | Guerin: Is this called "a shredder"? |
| 09:52.38 | Guerin | PerfDave: it's called a `roster' |
| 09:52.42 | geo-rge | sounds like you can apply that to store employees, and how many are available to do checkout versus how many customers are waiting in each checkout line |
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| 09:52.52 | Guerin | PerfDave: ZOMG, you're in hashdweebian |
| 09:53.35 | cast|iaw | hmm, only as far as solving DEs |
| 09:53.50 | Guerin | geo-rge: that's more or less it. I run a media analysis team. There's a certain amount of stuff broadcast each day, and some of it is more important than other stuff, and the number of staff we have to cover it is variable. |
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| 09:54.23 | Guerin | i tried to tell them I don't have any algorthm design experience, but did they listen .... noooo |
| 09:55.09 | PerfDave | Guerin: I drop in from time to time. |
| 09:55.26 | Guerin | PerfDave: how's life? Still in Boychester? |
| 09:55.35 | geo-rge | "Al Gore is busy doing other things, even if he does have rhythm... you'll just have to do without him" |
| 09:56.17 | PerfDave | Guerin: Yeah. Life is... fucking hectic. Off to Ireland on holiday next week. |
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| 09:57.06 | patrick-- | Hey everyone. |
| 09:57.13 | patrick-- | Is someone fermilliar with spamd? |
| 09:57.14 | Rhoruns__ | GRR!!! why can't i connect to my server externally?!?!? |
| 09:57.22 | Rhoruns__ | i've opened all my stupid ports |
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| 09:57.33 | geo-rge | now open the smart ones |
| 09:57.36 | Guerin | PerfDave: nice. I'm a month and a bit away from the end of that politician-characterised-as-dictator research I was on about last yearish; I'll e you a copy when it's verdone. |
| 09:58.19 | PerfDave | Guerin: Between Eve getting very ill, me trying to get out of IT and into politics, Eve's last job being bastards and my current job being run by incompetents who expect 50+ hours every week... |
| 09:58.28 | PerfDave | Guerin: You're a meeja whore now? |
| 09:59.17 | Guerin | PerfDave: have been for a year now. You're standing for the LD, or involved in the background? |
| 09:59.49 | _obnauticus | Anyone here really good with torrents? |
| 09:59.58 | Guerin | _obnauticus: no real trick to it. |
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| 10:00.03 | _obnauticus | no like.. |
| 10:00.14 | _obnauticus | I need to look at the packet in layer 2 |
| 10:00.26 | _obnauticus | Because I think Comcast is throttoling my shit. |
| 10:00.29 | Guerin | what does that have to do with torrents? |
| 10:00.30 | _obnauticus | and it closes my connections. |
| 10:00.33 | Guerin | oh |
| 10:00.35 | _obnauticus | ... |
| 10:00.36 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:00.36 | _obnauticus | Traffic shaping. |
| 10:00.49 | Guerin | there are howtos all over the interwebs on how to catnmouse your way out of that |
| 10:01.01 | Guerin | all I can say is ... get a real ISP |
| 10:01.02 | _obnauticus | I'm enabling encryption |
| 10:01.02 | flami | _obnauticus, i think azureus has a list where it lists traffic shapeing isps |
| 10:01.06 | PerfDave | Guerin: Mostly NO2ID stuff at the moment. I'm on the waiting list to be trained as a potential local election candidate for the Lib Dems, but that has finding-new-job implications if that happens. |
| 10:01.23 | _obnauticus | http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs |
| 10:01.27 | PerfDave | Guerin: And I'm getting more involved in Free Software-flavour activism. |
| 10:01.49 | _obnauticus | It says they prevent seeding. |
| 10:01.54 | _obnauticus | But I can't even download |
| 10:02.03 | _obnauticus | and I have multiple connections on multiple trackers and they all die at the same time. |
| 10:02.11 | _obnauticus | while trying to get a hash. |
| 10:02.20 | Guerin | _obnauticus: this is not a debian problem. Ask in #bittorrwnt or #aureus or someplace |
| 10:02.26 | _obnauticus | k |
| 10:02.38 | patrick-- | Is anyone fermilliar with spamd? |
| 10:02.52 | Guerin | PerfDave: cool. There's synergy there. I've become very intereste in stealth propaganda. |
| 10:03.13 | Guerin | PerfDave: talk radio, advertorials, covert campaign lit, stuff like that |
| 10:03.16 | flami | !tell patrick-- about ask |
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| 10:03.39 | Guerin | patrick--: plenty of people in #spamassassin will be |
| 10:03.42 | PerfDave | Guerin: Subvertising! |
| 10:03.50 | Guerin | PerfDave: heh, is that what they call it |
| 10:04.05 | acracia | morning |
| 10:04.12 | acracia | i'm looking for amaya |
| 10:04.20 | PerfDave | acracia: aptitude install amaya |
| 10:04.22 | acracia | do you know is she's online? |
| 10:04.24 | Guerin | speaking of which, I have to get to the mines by 0600 |
| 10:04.39 | PerfDave | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subvertising # Altering adverts to send different messages. See http://www.czerka.com/ |
| 10:04.42 | acracia | PerfDave: nice try. |
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| 10:05.00 | flami | acracia, /whois amaya |
| 10:05.06 | flami | easyy |
| 10:05.07 | Guerin | PerfDave: ah, i see. |
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| 10:05.38 | Guerin | PerfDave: i bought Deb an `Enjoy Cock' T-shirt for her 21st |
| 10:05.38 | Tapout | type : /whios amaya amaya |
| 10:05.43 | Tapout | amaya has been idle 202hrs 26mins 59secs, signed on Tue Aug 21 17:38:27 |
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| 10:06.12 | Tapout | /whois amaya amaya |
| 10:06.13 | Tapout | i meant |
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| 10:07.33 | acracia | yeah... well maybe is a specs problem.. i was talking more on a general way. but it seems people want to give me lessons |
| 10:07.46 | ebw | What is modpost? |
| 10:07.48 | acracia | i just wanted to know if she is online lately because is not answering to some important mail |
| 10:08.15 | acracia | but anyway, i will look in more friendly humanlike spaces, sorry to bother you from outside the reportbug realm |
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| 10:10.45 | themill | ebw: what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:11.05 | viller | bash: hdparm: command not found, I did sudo apt-get install hdparm |
| 10:11.13 | cast|iaw | use root |
| 10:11.44 | viller | thanks |
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| 10:12.31 | viller | what command gives me output about my hard drive(s) |
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| 10:13.01 | cast|iaw | in debian? |
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| 10:13.09 | viller | yes |
| 10:13.17 | azeem | viller: what kind of output? |
| 10:13.24 | viller | information |
| 10:13.26 | azeem | UncleD: please turn that off |
| 10:13.28 | viller | like lspci |
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| 10:13.41 | xdr | anyone have a clue what besides a hardware error could cause my cd/dvd drive to not be able to read cds? |
| 10:13.51 | Internat | is there like a "Screen" for kde? something i can login screen something, logout etc and it keeps going? |
| 10:13.52 | Anoninon | xdr: is it an old cdrom drive ? |
| 10:13.53 | azeem | viller: hdparm -i |
| 10:14.18 | azeem | viller: or hdparm -I |
| 10:14.20 | azeem | besides others |
| 10:14.33 | cast|iaw | Internat: if you find something that is akin to screen for X applications do tell :) |
| 10:14.36 | viller | thanks |
| 10:14.47 | xdr | Anoninon: got it 04 |
| 10:15.13 | Internat | see thats not the answer i wanted :P |
| 10:15.27 | _obnauticus | Guerin guess what the problem was. |
| 10:15.28 | ronr | hi, I manage a network of about 25 workstations (10 are debian, 15 are window$), some window$ stations could have virussen, I want to somehow log all network connections (time, source IP, dest. IP, protocol, etc.), I got a server (debian) that could do this and a router that connects to the internet (so the server is not the gateway), anyone knows a good howto or other docs that could get me started? |
| 10:15.32 | Anoninon | xdr: I ask because I've had several older cdrom drives that act strange. Sometimes they'd work, other times not so much. One of them would read cds most of the time after booting but would cause a fit when trying to boot from cdrom. |
| 10:15.48 | _obnauticus | Guerin: The torrent box ran outta HDD space ROFL. |
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| 10:16.21 | cast|iaw | ronr: if you use shorewall put LOG in the relevent column of policy/rules, |
| 10:16.39 | cast|iaw | ronr: and perhaps start using ulogd so you don't fill up syslog |
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| 10:17.22 | Rhoruns_ | wOOt!!! |
| 10:17.39 | Rhoruns_ | after 5 hours, i finally fixed my network translation problem!!! |
| 10:17.50 | Rhoruns_ | all i needed was a stupid router firmware update :D |
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| 10:18.19 | Rhoruns_ | i guess my prior version's NAt was being all retarded |
| 10:18.37 | viller | what does "set bus state off" mean? I can "turn off" my hard drive? |
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| 10:19.03 | Rhoruns_ | you can't halt power from the hdd |
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| 10:19.21 | Penix | viller: you can force a low power state ('suspend') |
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| 10:19.57 | Penix | sleep. whatever |
| 10:20.02 | Rhoruns_ | or you can touch it with a cattle prod. i hear that's really fun and healthy for your hdd :D |
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| 10:20.08 | ronr | cast|iaw: ok, I'll start reading shorewall logs (and I guess I must reconfigure my network so the server becomes my gateway?) |
| 10:20.21 | xdr | Anoninon: I got the other way around problem |
| 10:20.31 | xdr | Anoninon: it boots fine from cd, but it won't work mounting them |
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| 10:20.46 | Anoninon | xdr: even in other OS's ? (Windows, etc) |
| 10:21.19 | cast|iaw | ronr: or you could put your deb box between the gatway and the internet |
| 10:21.34 | dbmoodb | oh debian doesn't turn off my keyboard or mouse when i halt (the lights on them and stuff are still in operation) how do i fix this ? |
| 10:21.50 | xdr | Anoninon: ahrm, newer had windows installed on this laptop |
| 10:22.06 | xdr | Anoninon: it used to work though don't remember when it stopped working |
| 10:22.16 | cast|iaw | ronr: at any rate, there is an option in iptables to log :) - that is how i'd do it, [and how shorewall does, too. i prefer shorewall to writing iptables rules directly] |
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| 10:23.00 | ronr | cast|iaw: thanks, I got enough info now at least to get started |
| 10:23.34 | viller | is it possible to disable a HDD through BIOS? |
| 10:24.01 | geo-rge | yes |
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| 10:24.31 | Anoninon | xdr: what about trying a live cd ? |
| 10:24.35 | crm__ | guys.. i've got a really sick box i need help with |
| 10:24.43 | Anoninon | xdr: if a live cd works then it may be a problem w/your OS |
| 10:24.50 | crm__ | it's segfaulting all over the place at startup |
| 10:24.53 | py_ | hello |
| 10:24.58 | Anoninon | hi |
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| 10:25.27 | xdr | Anoninon: know a good autodetection livecd? |
| 10:25.38 | dbmoodb | knoppix or ubuntu are good |
| 10:25.39 | Anoninon | puppy linux |
| 10:25.43 | streuner_ | !grml |
| 10:25.43 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 10:26.14 | Anoninon | puppy linux is a very small download, i've used it for a while, i really like it. |
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| 10:26.53 | Anoninon | I think the current version is less than 100MB or so including GUI, apps and what not. |
| 10:26.55 | karmatronic | xdr: mepis |
| 10:27.05 | py_ | I have 2 flash based drives, both are 2G in size, but one has 512 bytes sectors, and the other one 528 (as reported with hdparm). I would like to "clone" one on the other. If I do that with something like dd, are the filesystems going to be affected (ext2, and reiserfs partitions) ? |
| 10:27.10 | crm__ | can someone tell me the options to give to the kernel to only mount readonly? |
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| 10:27.35 | Anoninon | xdr: either way, the point is that if a live cd can boot and run w/o error then we can assume the cdrom drive is in working order. you may want to test it this way a few times to be sure. |
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| 10:29.30 | xdr | Anoninon: will do that |
| 10:29.38 | markrian | The WACOM(4) manual page doesn't seem to exist in Debian - at least, it's neither included in xserver-xorg-input-wacom nor wacom-tools. One must go online to find it. Presumably this is a bug - I'm not sure which package to file it under though. Ideas? |
| 10:30.25 | geo-rge | crm__: find and read "boot prompt howto" |
| 10:30.46 | xdr | Anoninon: doing that right now |
| 10:30.55 | xdr | hrm, gotta find an empty cdr |
| 10:30.57 | markrian | In fact, dpkg even tells me to "man 4 wacom"! But no luck. |
| 10:31.18 | PerfDave | markrian: If it's in section four, that suggests it's about something in /dev so should be in whatever package provides device-level access to the Wacom thing |
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| 10:31.25 | Anoninon | xdr: K, good luck. also, have you google the CDROM model number + something like "not working" or "total trash" ;) ? |
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| 10:31.43 | xdr | Anoninon: yes a couple of times :) |
| 10:31.52 | geo-rge | do y |
| 10:31.57 | geo-rge | nm |
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| 10:34.33 | polyunix | hi all. after fresh install debian testing no more sound. alsaconfig doesn't solve the problem. help. |
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| 10:34.51 | Internat | this is probably a newbie stupid question |
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| 10:35.02 | Internat | but how do i get kde to start in a vnc session.. the server is headless |
| 10:35.59 | PerfDave | Internat: ~/.vnc/xstartup is the commands which get run when you start a new VNC server. You can put "startkde" in there I think. |
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| 10:36.36 | Internat | hmms ok ta |
| 10:37.50 | Neaai | Hi all. I want to start replacing ftp with sslftp transfers for security. Is there a way that users from ftp://addres.here use ftps://address.here or sftp://address.here and then continue to operate the same way as before, providing username and password? What is a server that can do that? |
| 10:38.22 | PerfDave | Internat: You're not doing VNC over the Internet are you? |
| 10:38.41 | PerfDave | Neaai: Handling URIs is a matter for clients, not servers. |
| 10:38.46 | Internat | no |
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| 10:45.45 | psycodad | hi, does anybody use gsm/gprs/umts with debian/ubuntu here and can recommend a brand of card or handy for that purpose ? |
| 10:46.40 | PerfDave | psycodad: http://www.openstreetmap.org/ may have usful info for that. |
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| 10:46.50 | psycodad | thx PerfDave ! |
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| 10:49.36 | psycodad | ahm... PerfDave .. i cant find any info there.. |
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| 10:55.57 | themill | psycodad: tuxmobil.org |
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| 10:56.49 | mike_initng | yep yep |
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| 10:58.23 | markrian | Wow, never submitted a bug to debian before... reportbug is pretty arcane! |
| 10:59.42 | themill | Neaai: If you want to use ftps of sftp, your only option is to either train your users to use a different URL ;) You can, however, use TLS over a normal ftp link with some servers, and I imagine that you should be able to require TLS at the server end. That should achieve what you want, but your clients then need to be TLS enabled. |
| 10:59.42 | liable | what doesnt it do that you want? |
| 11:00.14 | themill | markrian: there's a Google SoC project to make a gui for it IIRC |
| 11:00.48 | markrian | themill: that'd be good. But why no web interface? Seems obvious, since that's where the bugs go |
| 11:01.30 | themill | markrian: why a web interface? The web interface can't automatically collect the details of what you have installed and configured. |
| 11:02.06 | markrian | themill: true. Fair enough! |
| 11:02.37 | themill | markrian: And a web interface would also want you to register. blah blah blah. I can't count the number of times that I've not bothered to file a bug because I couldn't be arsed wading through the crapzilla forms. |
| 11:03.03 | mike_initng | true true |
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| 11:04.21 | PerfDave | reportbug is good because it automatically collects data that's useful to developers |
| 11:04.33 | PerfDave | It deals with the fact that people are crap at reporting bugs ;) |
| 11:04.35 | qwertz | Hi, does anybody have a howto for drbd on debian (etch)? |
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| 11:04.52 | PerfDave | qwertz: Google might? |
| 11:04.58 | geo-rge | themill: not necessarily |
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| 11:05.20 | themill | geo-rge: ? |
| 11:05.36 | geo-rge | usually a question goes before that |
| 11:05.44 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 11:05.44 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 11:06.12 | themill | geo-rge: what did you mean by "[12:04] <geo-rge> themill: not necessarily"? |
| 11:06.30 | geo-rge | review what you said |
| 11:06.50 | themill | geo-rge: I'm bored playing games... |
| 11:07.06 | geo-rge | then don't ask nonspecific questions |
| 11:07.23 | themill | geo-rge: I've not asked any questions except to ask you to be specific. |
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| 11:07.49 | geo-rge | if you can't follow what you yourself said in the conversation, I'm not sure that explaining would help any |
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| 11:08.06 | PerfDave | themill: Don't feed the troll :) |
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| 11:08.44 | themill | PerfDave: Ahh. thanks. I'd not been following recently to identify the trolls.... |
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| 11:09.40 | geo-rge | "themill markrian: And a web interface would also want you to register" <== not necessarily... |
| 11:09.41 | geo-rge | but |
| 11:09.58 | geo-rge | it would help to register in order to keep spam out |
| 11:10.05 | Quintin | http://www.adultmatchmaker.biz/ |
| 11:10.25 | Quintin | Look at the image on the top left. |
| 11:10.53 | PerfDave | Quintin: Is this in any way related to Debian? :) |
| 11:11.14 | Anoninon | Quintin: wow. |
| 11:11.15 | PerfDave | Quintin: Or are you a pornbot? |
| 11:11.15 | Quintin | PerfDave, I guess there's only one way for you to find out, huh. |
| 11:11.16 | liable | whats with the translation pdiffs from updates now? |
| 11:11.35 | liable | ohno, not even pdiffs |
| 11:11.37 | Anoninon | It does seem debian related strangely enough. |
| 11:11.37 | psycodad | themill: thx. that looks promising |
| 11:11.40 | PerfDave | Quintin: Yes, and looking at that link from the office isn't it :) |
| 11:11.42 | Quintin | Anoninon, Yes, that's what I thought. I quick google makes it look like no one is aware of this. |
| 11:11.49 | themill | geo-rge: ahh... thank you. See, wasn't hard to be enlightening, was it? I've yet to come across a web bug interface that does not want you to. |
| 11:11.55 | themill | psycodad: np. |
| 11:11.58 | Quintin | PerfDave, SSH tunnel, kthnx. |
| 11:12.18 | geo-rge | themill: I still figure you would have gotten that. |
| 11:12.21 | PerfDave | Quintin: Yes, that'll help with the VP of Engineering sitting right behind me :) |
| 11:12.26 | Anoninon | Quintin: LOL did you click that image ? Starts a .exe download. Someone will be getting sued in 3, 2, 1... |
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| 11:12.48 | Quintin | PerfDave, there is no nudity. You can click the link safely |
| 11:13.54 | markrian | Hah, funny that the Debian swirl is on what's shaped like a Vista box |
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| 11:16.30 | markrian | (to add insult to injury) |
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| 11:17.44 | themill | geo-rge: I'm involved in multiple threaded conversations in this channel, as well has being in multiple channels and also pretending to do some work.... it's difficult to discern the context of a two word remark like that since you hadn't been directly involved in the thread, let alone which bit you were disagreeing with. |
| 11:18.31 | geo-rge | themill: I can't help your being on other channels; it's the last thing you said here. |
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| 11:19.23 | sobersabre | hi what can cause nfs client to get stuck on an attempt to read large file ? |
| 11:19.25 | Quintin | How is it that in MSN hotmail the 'INBOX' has more spam than the 'JUNK' folder? |
| 11:19.51 | flami | Quintin, maybe because msn sucks ? |
| 11:20.08 | sobersabre | the moment I am trying to run a program with large exec ( like matlab etc. ) the client stops seeing the server, and gets stuck. |
| 11:20.12 | geo-rge | as you can see... we have different views, literally... are you seeing all the channels in one window? |
| 11:20.44 | sobersabre | both server and client are Debian Etch |
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| 11:21.56 | Quintin | !mplayer |
| 11:21.57 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer was in Debian beginning with Etch. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 11:22.01 | Quintin | woot |
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| 11:23.34 | Bogus8 | I'm trying to read with less a .txt.gz file and it has a bunch of ESC (blocked out letters) |
| 11:23.37 | Bogus8 | using gnome-term |
| 11:23.58 | Bogus8 | this is the first time I've seen that |
| 11:23.58 | Quintin | Bogus8, zless ? |
| 11:24.02 | geo-rge | try zless |
| 11:24.04 | Bogus8 | just less |
| 11:24.05 | Bogus8 | ok |
| 11:24.14 | Bogus8 | same |
| 11:24.30 | Bogus8 | less reads the file... just some chars are replaced by this ESC char |
| 11:24.33 | sobersabre | Bogus8: which locale are you using ? |
| 11:24.35 | geo-rge | do you see any text? |
| 11:24.39 | Bogus8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.42 | Bogus8 | yes |
| 11:24.48 | sobersabre | Bogus8: which locale are you using ? |
| 11:24.50 | Bogus8 | that's the title ^ |
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| 11:24.59 | Bogus8 | usa UTF8 |
| 11:25.05 | themill | Bogus8: what is $TERM set to? |
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| 11:25.23 | Bogus8 | themill: how do I check? |
| 11:25.30 | themill | Bogus8: echo $TERM |
| 11:25.30 | sobersabre | echo $TERM |
| 11:25.32 | geo-rge | echo $TERM |
| 11:25.44 | Bogus8 | I just realized that |
| 11:25.45 | Bogus8 | xterm |
| 11:25.58 | Bogus8 | so that means I'm really using xterm? |
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| 11:26.05 | geo-rge | themill: it does seem that the weird chars are in the file |
| 11:26.06 | Bogus8 | even though my launcher says "gnome-term" |
| 11:26.22 | PerfDave | Bogus8: No, it means you're using a terminal compatiable with xterm |
| 11:26.24 | Bogus8 | gnome-terminal* |
| 11:26.30 | Bogus8 | gotcha |
| 11:26.45 | geo-rge | same emulation |
| 11:26.50 | themill | geo-rge: yes, it sounds like it's probably a dump out of an nroff output or similar. Esc sequences for bold etc are in there. |
| 11:26.52 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: so you got the same junk? |
| 11:27.15 | Bogus8 | so that's just the way it is? |
| 11:27.24 | geo-rge | Bogus8: is that a man page? |
| 11:27.39 | PerfDave | Bogus8: zless -R may help |
| 11:27.41 | geo-rge | well not sure, I'm just guessign |
| 11:27.55 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: nope, it's in /usr/share/doc/mailx/manual.txt.gz |
| 11:28.14 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 11:28.20 | Quintin | Is google too powerful? This google 'history' thing is kind of disturbing |
| 11:28.22 | geo-rge | from an etch? |
| 11:28.24 | Bogus8 | PerfDave: that worked! |
| 11:28.26 | Bogus8 | the -R |
| 11:28.30 | themill | PerfDave: good call. I was about to suggest cat to test it :) |
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| 11:28.45 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I'm using etch, yes |
| 11:29.19 | Bogus8 | Quintin: only thing that makes me feel semi-good about google is that they were the last to give up search queries to the government and that was only after a court order |
| 11:29.46 | PerfDave | Quintin: I tend to avoid giving data to Google when possible |
| 11:30.03 | PerfDave | But I tend to avoid giving data to anyone ;) |
| 11:30.06 | Bogus8 | but I have read an article that they are leasing up all the major pipes as to "own" the bandwidth without actually having a "true" monopoly.... so when all the ISP's run out they ahve to go to them |
| 11:30.10 | Bogus8 | have* |
| 11:30.12 | Quintin | I was thinking of making a page on my website to make google requests anonymously. But I probably couldn't serve my googleads on said page :( |
| 11:30.31 | PerfDave | Quintin: Use scroogle? |
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| 11:31.21 | Bogus8 | ya'll heard about that guy that figured out how to track down who made the changes to wikipedia |
| 11:31.33 | Bogus8 | and found that a lot was done by corporations |
| 11:31.41 | Anoninon | yup, I don't know what the big deal is either |
| 11:31.47 | Anoninon | I mean, what he did wasn't that amazing. |
| 11:31.58 | Bogus8 | exxon changed the oil spill to say "no long standing enviormental effects" |
| 11:32.08 | Anoninon | But to the mass media computers are still basically magic. |
| 11:32.08 | Quintin | Bogus8, You mean from the IP addresses of corporations, yes? I don't think anything more could be known |
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| 11:32.29 | Bogus8 | Quintin: it claims to know what changes they made |
| 11:32.44 | PerfDave | Bogus8: The problem is that people believe stuff they read on Wikipaedia :) |
| 11:32.46 | sobersabre | Bogus8: do you try to seed FUD in here.. ? |
| 11:32.55 | Bogus8 | Anoninon: nothing amazing with what he did but I applaud anyone uncovering big corporations doing anything underhanded |
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| 11:33.11 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: FUD? |
| 11:33.26 | PerfDave | !fud |
| 11:33.27 | dpkg | methinks fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
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| 11:33.28 | sobersabre | Bogus8: 1. how do you know aperson who did thing did it on behalf of a corporation ? |
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| 11:33.34 | Bogus8 | PerfDave: there was a study done recently that said it was actually almost as reliable as britanica |
| 11:33.39 | pngwn | Bogus8, if it ain't debian it's off topic in here |
| 11:33.54 | sobersabre | Bogus8: it is maybe reliable about ... bugs and lizards. |
| 11:34.07 | sobersabre | but not about history, geopolitics, politics, economics etc. |
| 11:34.11 | PerfDave | Bogus8: Sure, but I would trust brittanica more when reading about Exxon :) |
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| 11:34.20 | Anoninon | Bogus8: I do as well |
| 11:34.22 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: when it serves to benefit said corporations and it originates from them then it seems related |
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| 11:34.51 | sobersabre | Bogus8: retroactively you can always find some link, that in a perspective back served somebody. |
| 11:34.52 | markrian | sobersabre: define 'accuracy' when it comes to politics, economics etc. |
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| 11:35.24 | markrian | er, I mean 'reliability' |
| 11:35.28 | dbmood1 | hello - i have a problem with debian boot - it takes some time when - mta is starting, also i'm having trouble finding the file to enable parallel booting on |
| 11:35.29 | sobersabre | hm... markrian dates, amounts of people or money are things I am talking about. Quantitive things. |
| 11:35.42 | markrian | sobersabre: fair enough |
| 11:35.43 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: well, I certainly have ZERO trust in a corporation to be truthfull and scrupulous when it comes to anything they can get their hands on |
| 11:35.59 | PerfDave | dbmood1: Does your machine have Internet access at boot time? |
| 11:36.13 | sobersabre | Bogus8: in the end corporations also employ people and get things done. |
| 11:36.14 | dbmood1 | no - but what is mta and do i need it ? |
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| 11:36.28 | PerfDave | dbmood1: an MTA is a mail transfer agent, it's used to send or recieve mail |
| 11:36.31 | sobersabre | and this has its price, control over things. |
| 11:36.36 | dbmood1 | i swear half of this stuff wasn't installed on my desktop (i have a laptop here) |
| 11:36.36 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: can be done by other means |
| 11:36.46 | PerfDave | dbmood1: What MTA have you installed? |
| 11:36.51 | dbmood1 | exim4 |
| 11:36.53 | markrian | Bogus8: may I suggest you read The Corporation, by Joel Bakan. Interesting read. Then perhaps we can get back on topic :) |
| 11:36.53 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: smaller business employ more per capita and pay more |
| 11:36.58 | sobersabre | Bogus8: instead of talking over IRC, go and do these things... if you can do them differently. |
| 11:37.10 | PerfDave | dbmood1: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:37.12 | sobersabre | :) |
| 11:37.16 | dbmood1 | will it still deliver mail on my system if i turn it off - seems bit silly |
| 11:37.27 | PerfDave | dbmood1: Select the "dial-on-demand" option, it won't hang while waiting for DNS at boot then |
| 11:37.28 | sobersabre | Bogus8: where do you live ? |
| 11:37.31 | Bogus8 | markrian: I think I have read that... or seen it or listened to it.. oh there is a doc.. I watched it |
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| 11:38.04 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: louisianna... and I do do these things... when I employ people I pay them well above what most people are |
| 11:38.05 | dbmood1 | and the parallel booting option - consistency shell instead of none .. which fine on etch do fine that in ? |
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| 11:38.18 | sobersabre | Bogus8: you mean us of a.... which is, of course the center of the world. |
| 11:38.20 | sobersabre | :) |
| 11:38.20 | Quintin | all the changes from my IPs would be deleting the dumbass licensing info below images. |
| 11:38.38 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: I don't believe that... I might as well be from somewhere's else |
| 11:38.50 | sobersabre | Bogus8: go to Africa. |
| 11:38.59 | PerfDave | dbmood1: I'm not sure what you mean by "consistency shell" |
| 11:39.05 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: i don't buy that whole "this is the best country in the world" (even though those that say that have rarely been outside of it's borders) |
| 11:39.24 | dbmood1 | oh you set the consistency to shell to enable parallel booting |
| 11:39.26 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: sure there are worse places... but there are better also |
| 11:39.37 | sobersabre | Bogus8: I haven't explained myself clearly |
| 11:39.37 | PerfDave | dbmood1: I'm afraid I don't know anything about parallel booting |
| 11:39.48 | dbmood1 | doz - parallel loading of stuff |
| 11:40.02 | dbmood1 | sorry i mean ... parallel loading of stuff on boot up |
| 11:40.18 | PerfDave | dbmood1: I know what parallel booting is, I just don't know about how to set it up on Debian systems :) |
| 11:40.24 | sobersabre | Bogus8: id small business in US of A is more profiteable per capita, it isn't neseccerily so in other places. |
| 11:40.29 | sobersabre | s/id/if/ |
| 11:40.32 | dbmood1 | oh i did on my desktop cannot find the place anymore |
| 11:40.46 | PerfDave | dbmood1: Which version of Debian are you using? |
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| 11:41.05 | Quintin | well if we are talking conspiracy theories, I recently set up 'google aps for your domain' for a client, cause I didn't want to fuck with getting their mail going and worrying about serving it. is google trying to control all of the world's mail? You can get GAFYD for $0 ... |
| 11:41.14 | Bogus8 | sobersabre: not saying the business is more profitable (it's not because of laxed laws for big corporations) but the employees make more and are treated better |
| 11:41.26 | runev | ls |
| 11:41.30 | runev | ups |
| 11:41.48 | dbmood1 | oh perf - etch |
| 11:41.51 | sobersabre | PerfDave: ok |
| 11:41.52 | sobersabre | :) |
| 11:41.54 | Bogus8 | PerfDave: hehe |
| 11:42.27 | Bogus8 | one thing good about google is they may put a hurt on MS with their online "office" apps |
| 11:42.32 | Bogus8 | just need to support more browsers |
| 11:42.34 | PerfDave | dbmood1: I'd be interested in how you got it running, I thought that parallel / dependency init stuff wasn't ready in time to be included in etch. |
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| 11:42.47 | dbmood1 | oh i thought it is |
| 11:42.52 | Quintin | Bogus8, it works in IE and Firefox. does much else matter? It might even do opera, but I don't recall |
| 11:42.59 | PerfDave | dbmood1: Well, it obviously is if you've set it up on your desktop :) |
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| 11:43.03 | dbmood1 | - i found the consistency option to be disabled =none so i put it to shell |
| 11:43.04 | PerfDave | Quintin: Konqueror FTW! |
| 11:43.07 | Bogus8 | Quintin: I use Opera... so that matters ;) |
| 11:43.16 | dbmood1 | i think it is working |
| 11:43.20 | Quintin | PerfDave, konq? bleh. |
| 11:43.42 | dbmood1 | www |
| 11:43.54 | dbmood1 | soz - just testing this is still up i thought it went down for a sec |
| 11:44.02 | dbmood1 | sorry * .... and sorry for the flooding |
| 11:44.03 | sobersabre | guys. what can make my nfs clients stuck on nfs access to a server ? the server runs, no problems, but the client gets stuck |
| 11:44.22 | larsl | How do you set up Iceweasel to use a proxy only for certain addresses? |
| 11:44.32 | Quintin | larsl, foxyproxy, or similar |
| 11:44.36 | sobersabre | I am mounting with: rw,udp,nointr 0 1 |
| 11:44.47 | larsl | Quintin: An add-on? |
| 11:44.53 | Quintin | larsl, yes |
| 11:45.01 | larsl | Thanks. |
| 11:45.14 | sobersabre | sorry with intr, not "nointr" |
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| 11:46.01 | sobersabre | the server exports the fs with: |
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| 11:46.22 | sobersabre | the server exports the fs with: (rw,async,no_subtree_check) |
| 11:46.42 | sobersabre | this is /usr/local, so I don't maybe even need to write... |
| 11:46.47 | sobersabre | but still. |
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| 11:47.22 | PerfDave | sobersabre: Anything in the relevant logfiles? |
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| 11:48.39 | sobersabre | PerfDave: I can see "not responding" about nfs server on the client side. |
| 11:48.50 | sobersabre | as if the client "doesn't see" the server |
| 11:48.54 | sobersabre | although pings pass. |
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| 11:49.25 | sobersabre | I have 56% of "getattr" |
| 11:49.34 | sobersabre | if I run nfsstat -c |
| 11:49.52 | sobersabre | no retrans |
| 11:49.54 | sobersabre | wierd |
| 11:50.02 | sobersabre | I am now trying to remount ro |
| 11:50.07 | sobersabre | and see if it's stuck. |
| 11:50.41 | sobersabre | STUCK! |
| 11:50.45 | sobersabre | bastard. |
| 11:50.56 | PerfDave | sobersabre: NFS is a bit of a black art, perhaps #nfs could help? |
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| 11:51.23 | sobersabre | I will try... I already have the propper puppets, and needles.. chicken heads etc. |
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| 11:51.54 | sobersabre | on which server do they run #nfs ? |
| 11:52.28 | FunctorSalad | hello. is there some way to build a search index for the full text search in aptitude ("~d" flag)? if such a thing is even theoretically possible, I don't know much about search indices :) |
| 11:52.29 | PerfDave | sobersabre: This one? |
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| 11:55.45 | lenin|gentoo | does anyone know how to track connections of users in a pptpd environment |
| 11:56.11 | PerfDave | lenin|gentoo: On Gentoo? |
| 11:56.20 | lenin|gentoo | no |
| 11:56.36 | lenin|gentoo | the lap is gen but on a server??? |
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| 11:58.06 | PerfDave | lenin|gentoo: /var/log/auth.log should log user accesses? |
| 11:59.48 | lenin|gentoo | thats not enough. I need to proofe who surfed (or shared) where and when |
| 12:00.17 | themill | perhaps iptables logging is where you need to look, then |
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| 12:00.58 | PerfDave | lenin|gentoo: I don't think that pptpd will log that, it's not really anything to do with it :) |
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| 12:01.16 | lenin|gentoo | ok? |
| 12:01.27 | PerfDave | lenin|gentoo: Like themill says, you need iptables |
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| 12:01.38 | cammoblammo | Using bash, how do I susbstitute the first (and only the first) occurrence of a string in a file? sed seems to want to do it to every line. |
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| 12:02.04 | wiedenmann | I have "apt-cache policy easytag" and get this "500 http://www.foo.de etch/main Packages" what would be the url to the deb package? |
| 12:02.19 | PerfDave | wiedenmann: Why not just use aptitude / apt-get to download it? |
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| 12:02.30 | wiedenmann | PerfDave: I am not root and want the deb file |
| 12:02.41 | lenin|gentoo | i have iptables but where do I put the rule? |
| 12:02.47 | themill | lenin|gentoo: nothing would log *that* much detail by default. You'd be looking at some pretty heaving accounting logs. Forcing things through a squid proxy mighgt be easier. |
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| 12:02.58 | PerfDave | lenin|gentoo: You want to read the iptables documentation :) |
| 12:03.12 | PerfDave | wiedenmann: Have you tried browsing to http://www.foo.de ? |
| 12:03.18 | lenin|gentoo | i did yesterday :) |
| 12:03.32 | Jemt | Greetz. Could someone tell me which package network-admin (the Gnome network administration tool) is part of ? |
| 12:04.02 | PerfDave | Jemt: You could tell yourself with dpkg -S (if you've got it installed), apt-file (if you haven't) or even http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 12:04.03 | lenin|gentoo | so I need to put a logging rule which logs out and incoming traffic from the private (vpn) network |
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| 12:04.12 | Jemt | PerfDave: Nice! Thanks :) |
| 12:04.16 | wiedenmann | PerfDave: yes, obviously otherwise I wouldnt ask |
| 12:04.18 | geo-rge | I'm trying to copy a homedir and I'm trying to remember how to use ssh... is it like: cd /home/foo; tar cfpl - . | ssh root@host -c "cd /home/foo; tar xfp -" |
| 12:04.20 | themill | wiedenmann: apt-get install --print-uris easytag |
| 12:04.33 | Jemt | PerfDave: Hm, don't have "apt-file" |
| 12:04.40 | PerfDave | !installit |
| 12:04.40 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
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| 12:04.54 | wiedenmann | themill: that works great and it seems that they use a port, so I should have browsed foo.de:1231 instead of foo.de |
| 12:05.03 | FunctorSalad | geo-rge: don't know about that syntax, but why not just use scp? |
| 12:05.04 | Jemt | PerfDave: Thought it was part of apt-get :p |
| 12:05.05 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 12:05.30 | themill | geo-rge: rsync might be better for you. It's more resilient to transient failures, restarting etc. |
| 12:05.31 | geo-rge | I don't trust it to do exactly what I want |
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| 12:06.00 | geo-rge | themill: hmm, would it do the .files/.dirs too? |
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| 12:06.05 | PerfDave | cammoblammo: perl -pe '$i = s/foo/baz/ unless $i' myfile.txt |
| 12:06.10 | PerfDave | cammoblammo: (seems to work) |
| 12:06.29 | cammoblammo | PerfDave: I'll give it a crack. |
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| 12:06.48 | themill | geo-rge: yes. In recursive mode it will pick up everything. You can get it to keep devices, owners, perms, etc. |
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| 12:07.27 | themill | geo-rge: man rsync is very long but it does have some nice examples which make it usable. I always just flick down to the examples to jog my memory. |
| 12:07.35 | lenin|gentoo | themill: how does squid handles not http protocols? |
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| 12:08.30 | g00se | What would be a good way of checking at server S if an scp upload to S is still running or whether it's stalled? |
| 12:08.33 | themill | lenin|gentoo: I *think* it can do ftp but it's mainly for http... that sounded like what you wanted. Do you want *all* connections? If so, then you'll need LOG directives for iptables. |
| 12:08.52 | themill | g00se: check the length of the file using ls -l |
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| 12:09.15 | PerfDave | g00se: You might be able to look for extant ssh processes |
| 12:09.28 | geo-rge | gonna try the tar this time |
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| 12:09.46 | themill | g00se: check netstat to see the connection too |
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| 12:10.49 | FunctorSalad | g00se: maybe use some program that can tell you how many bytes some process recieved over the network during the last x seconds, don't know any program that does that though, sorry |
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| 12:10.52 | g00se | PerfDave: Yes but won't just sshd be showing on S? |
| 12:11.22 | g00se | There must be a better way than tshark/wireshark techniques |
| 12:11.31 | lenin|gentoo | so the best thing ist to log all outgoing traffic from 192....10.0/24 |
| 12:11.33 | xdr | ide: failed opcode was: 0xec |
| 12:11.37 | xdr | this isn't any good? |
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| 12:11.49 | PerfDave | lenin|gentoo: That might be a *lot* of logging :) |
| 12:12.28 | lenin|gentoo | I read something about just logging connections :) |
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| 12:13.21 | xdr | lenin|gentoo: any good way to not log connections to /var/log/messages? |
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| 12:13.38 | geo-rge | itz doooin it |
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| 12:14.29 | lenin|gentoo | can you tell me what to search for because there is really a lot of iptables stuff in the net, but mostly basic howtos |
| 12:15.33 | geo-rge | really you need to understand the structure of iptables to begin with |
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| 12:15.58 | geo-rge | there's rustys unreliable guides |
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| 12:17.16 | Anoninon | xdr: cdrom troulbe still? |
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| 12:17.47 | lenin|gentoo | I do understand the main concept of iptables, but I'm not really a friend of it |
| 12:18.09 | ^arky^ | hi, I have a query of setting autoclean on modules |
| 12:18.14 | PerfDave | lenin|gentoo: What exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 12:18.37 | xdr | Anoninon: yes :/ |
| 12:19.23 | Anoninon | xdr: sorry :\ I'd suggest getting a new cdrom drive if possible if your problems continue for too long. Is it under warranty ? |
| 12:19.51 | lenin|gentoo | I'm trying to log all outgoing connections from 192.168.10.0/24 and all incoming connections to 192.168.10.0/24 |
| 12:20.24 | PerfDave | lenin|gentoo: No, what are you trying to *accomplish*? |
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| 12:21.19 | xdr | Anoninon: no it's not ...but I think it has to do with dma |
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| 12:21.53 | Anoninon | xdr: ah I see. So the error occurs more when DMA is on or off? |
| 12:22.33 | ^arky^ | How do you set autoclean on modules at boot time |
| 12:22.54 | Anoninon | Best gnome gui irc client? (I know it's a stupid question, entertain me) |
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| 12:23.09 | geo-rge | it has to be the best! |
| 12:23.10 | PerfDave | !best |
| 12:23.10 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
| 12:23.16 | Ronin | Anoninon: the one you like, for gui maybe xchat? |
| 12:23.33 | PerfDave | Anoninon: irssi or Konversation :) |
| 12:23.48 | Anoninon | PerfDave: got irssi up right now ;) |
| 12:24.00 | Anoninon | Ronin: thanks, I got synaptic open and I'm drawing a blank |
| 12:24.07 | Ronin | Anoninon: then you need look no further then irssi |
| 12:24.12 | xdr | Anoninon: no but I managed to create the same error on my server ;) |
| 12:24.23 | PerfDave | Anoninon: Nothing's better than irssi :) |
| 12:24.37 | Anoninon | hrm... :\ |
| 12:24.48 | g00se | Thanks folks. I think netstat's the best there |
| 12:24.51 | geo-rge | it would seem that if you have an initial drawing pallette, the blank is already drawn... |
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| 12:25.20 | Anoninon | xdr: what do you mean you created the same error on your server ? did you move the cdrom drive ? |
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| 12:27.18 | py_ | how to set a specific UUID on a swap partition? I can do it for ext2 with tune2fs and for reiserfs with reiserfstune, but how is it accomplished for a swap partition? |
| 12:27.37 | mortal_ | when will the new working zynaddsubfx package be uploaded for sid? |
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| 12:28.09 | geo-rge | ask author |
| 12:28.15 | RAHSPUTIN | hello. I am useing the tool convert, and would like to convert 01.pnm - 20.pnm to 01.jpg - 20.jpg all at the sametime, is there a possiblity to do so ? i thought of convert -composite -resize 800 -rotate 90 *.pnm *.jpg but that does not work :) |
| 12:28.24 | geo-rge | reachable at... |
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| 12:28.38 | geo-rge | zynaddsubfx@packages.debian.org |
| 12:28.44 | PerfDave | RAHSPUTIN: Do it in a bash loop? |
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| 12:29.27 | ^arky^ | py_, have you tried adding "uid=<value>' in fstab for swap entry? |
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| 12:30.04 | RAHSPUTIN | PerfDave, bash loop... well i read of ' for ' but it so "for me :)" badly exampled that i just dont get it |
| 12:30.44 | geo-rge | try this |
| 12:30.47 | py_ | ^arky^, sure, but that's not what I want, I would like to keep the UUID the same for some other reasons. As it can be done for other fs types, it should be possibvle for swap... |
| 12:31.17 | geo-rge | for the_variable in wun too tree ; do echo $the_variable ; done |
| 12:31.25 | ^arky^ | py_, no idea |
| 12:31.36 | PerfDave | RAHSPUTIN: for i in $(seq -w 1 20); do convert -composite -resize 800 -rotate 90 $i.pnm $i.jpg; done |
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| 12:32.12 | RAHSPUTIN | ah thats very nice ;)))) |
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| 12:32.21 | cast | no problemo bro. |
| 12:32.21 | ^arky^ | RAHSPUTIN, or you can use find's "-exec" option find each '.jpg' file and convert it |
| 12:32.34 | PerfDave | py_: You can set a label for your swap partition with mkswap, and use that to mount it by label in fstab |
| 12:32.37 | PerfDave | py_: man mkswap |
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| 12:32.55 | geo-rge | why would he do that? he's already got a prewritten solution |
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| 12:34.04 | ^arky^ | How do you set autoclean on modules at boot time? |
| 12:34.36 | geo-rge | How do you set autoclean on modules at modprobe time? |
| 12:34.44 | cast | and my question: what does autoclean do? |
| 12:35.19 | geo-rge | bleaches the kernel space floor |
| 12:35.21 | py_ | PerfDave: Sure. But I don't want to do so. This machine is one of a batch of 150 exactly identical systems, cloned from the same source. So all of them have identical UUIDS on all their partitions. On that particular one, I had to run mkswap, so it changed the partition's uuid. But I don't want to have a different version of /etc/fstab on the particular ba |
| 12:35.35 | RichiH | is there a page that shows when a package is likely to clear NEW? |
| 12:35.35 | geo-rge | or prewashes |
| 12:35.39 | py_ | oups. On that particular box. See the point? |
| 12:36.01 | cast | for what reasons should one do it? |
| 12:36.13 | py_ | ^arky^, thx anyway |
| 12:36.44 | PerfDave | py_: Why not set the same label on each box? :) |
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| 12:37.34 | py_ | PerfDave: cause the boxes are already out is the main reason |
| 12:37.49 | PerfDave | py_: This is why you should test things before deployment :) |
| 12:37.53 | geo-rge | itz done :) |
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| 12:38.18 | Timmmm | Hi, is there a way I can get apt (or synaptic) to remove all the unused libraries. I.e. I want it to give me a list of library packages (lib*) that have no non-library installed dependent packages. Any ideas how? |
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| 12:38.46 | PerfDave | Timmmm: deborphan / debfoster, or aptitude should do it for you automatically |
| 12:38.48 | py_ | PerfDave: probably. But I don't see a need to change something to the whole setup just because *I* can't figure out how to perform such a simple thing as an UUID on an fs... |
| 12:38.58 | Timmmm | PerfDave: Thanks |
| 12:38.59 | azeem | rox |
| 12:39.01 | geo-rge | cast: I think it unloads modules when they're not used (and there's a depend graph of modules) |
| 12:39.13 | PerfDave | py_: The need arises from the fact that it's you rolling it out and supporting it :) |
| 12:39.14 | azeem | nm |
| 12:39.54 | py_ | PerfDave: well, that's right... and for that exact reason, I need to figure out how to perform this simple change |
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| 12:40.57 | py_ | PerfDave: perhaps I coult partimage the old swap, end restore it, this my keep the UUID. But that's incredibly crazy to have to resort to this sort of dirty tricks... |
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| 12:44.42 | tarzeau | now with rss feed: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bts/ |
| 12:45.38 | liable | that should be riveting! |
| 12:45.41 | liable | :) |
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| 12:45.57 | niru | grub-install --root-directory=/media/cdrom0/ --no-floppy '(hd0)' |
| 12:45.58 | niru | You shouldn't call /sbin/grub-install. Please call /usr/sbin/grub-install instead! |
| 12:45.58 | niru | Unknown partition table signature |
| 12:46.05 | niru | what does that mean |
| 12:46.33 | liable | oh |
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| 12:53.50 | ^arky^ | niru, I never faced your problem but --no-floppy'(hd0)' part looks fishy to me |
| 12:54.13 | ^arky^ | niru, floppy are fdx, right |
| 12:54.16 | niru | ^arky^, but the same worked for a normal usb |
| 12:54.26 | niru | its not working for mp3 cum usb |
| 12:54.53 | niru | ^arky^, here we mean it should not probe floppy |
| 12:55.11 | ^arky^ | niru, oh ok I got it |
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| 12:57.34 | ^arky^ | niru, give a shot at using '--recheck' option of grub-install |
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| 13:01.17 | lenin|gentoo | waha! |
| 13:01.35 | liable | oh dear |
| 13:01.50 | ktwilight | wow, tzconfig -> Asia don't have Beijing! |
| 13:02.09 | ktwilight | but it has Brunei? like...wtf. |
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| 13:03.11 | Ronin | ktwilight: so? is it the same time zone? tzconfig doesnt have where i live either but it does have a city in the same zone |
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| 13:04.05 | ktwilight | that's not the point |
| 13:04.06 | fastputty | where is my command dmesg is loged? i cnanot dind it in syslog and messages |
| 13:04.06 | ktwilight | it's like saying there's Christmas Island but missed out Hawaii |
| 13:04.16 | ktwilight | wouldn't you reckon there'll be more users in Hawaii than Christmas Island? |
| 13:04.21 | ktwilight | maybe it's a bad example, meh. |
| 13:05.56 | xdr | fastputty: /var/log/messages |
| 13:06.32 | fastputty | xdr: it weird because when itype dmesg it show me a stuf that messages do not have |
| 13:07.08 | xdr | is cdrecord supposed to Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). |
| 13:07.27 | xdr | or is it supposed to use another driver? |
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| 13:08.21 | cast | i'd look at it from the perspective of "if it works, then yes - it's supposed to" |
| 13:08.33 | xdr | cast: if it doesn't? |
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| 13:08.45 | cast | then it's not supposed to. |
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| 13:10.49 | phycho | hey guys, iam running debian and its giving me no output on /dev/random. is there any way to fix this? |
| 13:11.01 | fastputty | well no one are able to help me? ;s |
| 13:11.13 | PerfDave | phycho: What do you mean by "no output"? WHat command are you running? |
| 13:11.32 | phycho | cat /dev/random |
| 13:11.36 | phycho | nothing appearing on screen as it should |
| 13:11.43 | larsl | phycho: You may be out of entropy. |
| 13:11.50 | PerfDave | phycho: You're out of entropy. Blatter the keyboard. |
| 13:11.51 | larsl | phycho: Wiggle the mouse a bit. |
| 13:12.00 | phycho | how do i generate it? i tried making the hdd do random stuff and type crap into the keyboard, it did the same thing |
| 13:12.17 | larsl | phycho: Or use /dev/urandom if you don't need hardcore cryptographical randomness. |
| 13:12.33 | phycho | urandom will do i guess |
| 13:12.44 | Tidus | lol @ blatter the keyboard. |
| 13:12.56 | PerfDave | phycho: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/poolsize |
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| 13:13.11 | PerfDave | phycho: What are you using this randomness for? |
| 13:13.11 | phycho | PerfDave - 4096. |
| 13:13.25 | PerfDave | phycho: cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail even :) |
| 13:13.36 | phycho | generating a pgpkey with gnupg |
| 13:13.50 | PerfDave | phycho: You want good randomness then |
| 13:14.26 | phycho | PerfDave - its for a local lan party event for authenticated net access, its not too big a deal tbh. |
| 13:14.41 | PerfDave | phycho: How are you authenticating net access with GPG? |
| 13:14.48 | phycho | its used by nocatauth. |
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| 13:17.01 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:17.01 | dpkg | "Linux doesn't exist. Everyone knows Linux is an unlicensed version of Unix." - http://www.linuxworld.com.au/index.php/id;97798672;fp;2;fpid;1 |
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| 13:17.44 | PerfDave | phycho: You still want to fix your entropy issues though |
| 13:18.09 | phycho | indeed |
| 13:18.39 | fastputty | somoene could help me pleas,e i tried to log my iptables and it do not log anywhere |
| 13:18.45 | phycho | looking at google, other people have had similar issues with being logged in remotely to their box |
| 13:18.48 | fastputty | it was woeking before loko like i have somehting wrong in syslog.conf |
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| 13:19.59 | wols | fastputty: does iptables log to your root console? |
| 13:20.22 | fastputty | dmesg work |
| 13:20.25 | fastputty | i show me the log |
| 13:20.33 | fastputty | but it log me no where in /var/log |
| 13:20.37 | fastputty | i did a grep * |
| 13:20.45 | fastputty | it kinda weird |
| 13:20.56 | fastputty | and yes it log in my root console |
| 13:21.04 | fastputty | but i disable the root message on sysclt |
| 13:21.13 | fastputty | but i see it in dmesg |
| 13:21.56 | wols | kern.log nothing? |
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| 13:22.21 | fastputty | nop |
| 13:23.17 | fastputty | i may have uninstall any package by mistake. maybe.. |
| 13:24.29 | fastputty | could you help me? i was lokoing for it for about 2 day alreayd |
| 13:24.55 | fastputty | does sysclt affect my log? |
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| 13:25.56 | ShakaGoldSaint | is multipath routing support broken in debian etch? |
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| 13:28.33 | fastputty | someoen got an idea how to fix my problem |
| 13:29.37 | predder | fastputty, I know we had to implement something to fix that at work but alas it's 11:30pm here |
| 13:29.40 | PerfDave | !further help |
| 13:29.40 | dpkg | If #debian can't help you with your problem, try asking again in a few hours when different people will be active. Other ports of call include the Debian mailing lists ( http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ ) or your local LUG. Or even professional support - see http://www.debian.org/support |
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| 13:31.02 | predder | long story short, what I thought was initially a samba configuration issue has spawned a few "kernel bug" messages (and panics). Should these never be generated and should I report them? |
| 13:31.26 | PerfDave | predder: Kernel panics are obviously bad. If they're not caused by dodgy hardware, you should report them. |
| 13:31.45 | fastputty | predder: implement what? lol... |
| 13:32.04 | predder | fastputty, if I knew I would tell you. Ask me again in 10 hours and I'll be at work |
| 13:32.14 | predder | where I can ask someone or check a box for you |
| 13:32.18 | fastputty | predder: hummm.. |
| 13:32.30 | fastputty | predder: 10 hour, i wont be there anymore |
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| 13:32.48 | predder | PerfDave, I have a stack trace and ultimately in bla.c:5444 |
| 13:32.53 | predder | "BUG"* |
| 13:33.30 | PerfDave | predder: Is it reproducible? Have you checked your system for dodgy hardware? If so, then reportbug away :) |
| 13:33.32 | predder | dumped to syslog, I realise the kernel panics can be hardware issues but my question is should those "Kernel BUG" messages never exist? |
| 13:34.07 | PerfDave | predder: Well, the kernel shouldn't have bugs, so you should never see kernel bug messages. If you do, it's a bug :) |
| 13:34.17 | phycho | anyone know how to enable mod_env on apache1 on debian? |
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| 13:34.59 | predder | PerfDave, where do you suggest I report? Although I hope _not_ to reproduce it because it's filesystem/raid related and i'm trying to avoid data loss =\ |
| 13:35.02 | fastputty | hey guys where do all my history of command is logged? i forget |
| 13:35.12 | fastputty | i mean all action i did before in shell is logged.. |
| 13:35.20 | predder | fastputty .bash_history if you're using bash |
| 13:35.21 | PerfDave | fastputty: If you're using bash, ~/.bash_history |
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| 13:35.30 | PerfDave | predder: If you're running a Debian-packaged kernel, just reportbug it. |
| 13:35.37 | predder | okay |
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| 13:36.58 | fastputty | PerfDave: is there a possible to check a more older log of bash history.. |
| 13:37.14 | PerfDave | fastputty: If you've got backups, sure. |
| 13:37.18 | fastputty | PerfDave: look like it it log onl the last 500 command |
| 13:37.22 | fastputty | damned |
| 13:37.22 | fastputty | xD |
| 13:37.23 | fastputty | lol |
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| 13:37.50 | fastputty | well is therea way to now what is the last package i installed or install? like a log of this? |
| 13:37.53 | fastputty | from apt-get remove |
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| 13:38.29 | PerfDave | fastputty: apt-get doesn't log, aptitude does in /var/log/aptitude |
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| 13:39.42 | fastputty | aptitude doesnt exist |
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| 13:39.46 | fastputty | i mean this folder or file |
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| 13:39.58 | PerfDave | fastputty: That's because you've not used aptitude to install packages at a guess? |
| 13:40.11 | fastputty | yeah im using apt-get |
| 13:40.16 | PerfDave | fastputty: apt-get doesn't log, aptitude does in /var/log/aptitude |
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| 13:41.02 | PerfDave | fastputty: It's one of the many reasons to use aptitude over the deprecated apt-get |
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| 13:42.14 | well_src | how to config a bridge for guest os(winxp) on virtualbox to access the internet? thx |
| 13:42.50 | PerfDave | wols: Ask Virtualbox? |
| 13:43.04 | PerfDave | Bah |
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| 13:43.19 | PerfDave | wols: Thank you ;) |
| 13:43.45 | wols | well_src: do you have a (virtual) interface on your debian host? if so, simply run ipmasq |
| 13:43.58 | PerfDave | wols: That'll NAT, not bridge. |
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| 13:44.14 | fastputty | well im screwd |
| 13:44.16 | PerfDave | Ethernet bridges on Debian are done with brutils and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:44.21 | well_src | wols, i have the tap0 |
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| 13:44.22 | fastputty | my iptables do not log in any var/log anymore.. |
| 13:44.28 | fastputty | i have no idea what did i install as package wrong |
| 13:44.42 | PerfDave | Oops, it's bridge-utils on Debian, not brutils. |
| 13:44.48 | well_src | tunctl -t tap0 -u well |
| 13:44.51 | well_src | chmod 0666 /dev/net/tun |
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| 13:44.58 | well_src | ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 promisc up |
| 13:44.58 | well_src | ifconfig tap0 0.0.0.0 promisc up |
| 13:45.30 | well_src | brctl addbr br0 |
| 13:45.32 | well_src | brctl addif br0 eth0 |
| 13:45.32 | well_src | brctl addif br0 tap0 |
| 13:45.33 | PerfDave | well_src: Why are you pasting random commands into IRC? |
| 13:45.49 | PerfDave | debhelper: Kick well_src already! :) |
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| 13:46.04 | well_src | PerfDave, oh, no , sorry sorry sosory |
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| 13:49.30 | well_src | anybody who can help me by setting up a virtualbox bridge please take a look at the #flood , thx a lot |
| 13:50.15 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm working on a portable Linux USB key. Could someone help me clean up files not being used to free up memory ? Ie how do I remove locales not in use ? |
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| 13:50.34 | dgdgdg | Sony VGNFE21M |
| 13:50.34 | dgdgdg | 2.6.18-4-686 Etch |
| 13:50.34 | dgdgdg | I am tryinng to get my wireless card to work. I need to install some kernal headers which have the dependency of Kbuild. |
| 13:51.09 | dgdgdg | When I try installing kbuild I get the following error: |
| 13:51.09 | dgdgdg | cpc3-seve3-0-0-cust864:~# cd /root/Desktop |
| 13:51.09 | dgdgdg | cpc3-seve3-0-0-cust864:~/Desktop# dpkg -i linux-kbuild-2.6.18_2.6.18-1_i386.deb |
| 13:51.09 | dgdgdg | (Reading database ... 150369 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 13:51.09 | dgdgdg | Unpacking linux-kbuild-2.6.18 (from linux-kbuild-2.6.18_2.6.18-1_i386.deb) .... |
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| 13:52.29 | dgdgdg | did yo get my question ? |
| 13:52.40 | well_src | anybody who can help me setting up a virtualbox bridge please check the #flood , thx a lot |
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| 13:54.12 | dgdgdg | I am tryinng to get my wireless card to work. I need to install some kernal headers which have the dependency of Kbuild. |
| 13:54.12 | dgdgdg | When I try installing kbuild I get the following error: |
| 13:54.19 | dgdgdg | see #flood |
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| 13:54.58 | PerfDave | Jemt: Are you working on a portable Debian USB distro? |
| 13:55.00 | marckie | claer |
| 13:55.02 | marckie | clear |
| 13:55.12 | marckie | sorry, i thought i was in a shell |
| 13:55.18 | PerfDave | Jemt: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 13:55.22 | Jemt | PerfDave: Jep |
| 13:55.25 | Jemt | PerfDave: Thanks :) |
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| 13:57.18 | dgdgdg | any ideas about the kbuild install problem? |
| 13:57.19 | marckie | howwhowhowhowhowhowhowhowhowhowhowhowho |
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| 13:58.44 | azeem | dgdgdg: you're using unstable? |
| 13:58.44 | Jemt | PerfDave: Nice link - dosn't cover the clean up process though |
| 13:59.23 | dgdgdg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:59.34 | Jemt | PerfDave: Sorry, it actually does.. |
| 13:59.38 | azeem | dgdgdg: paste the error on a pastebin |
| 13:59.40 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 13:59.40 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 14:00.04 | dgdgdg | I patsed it into #flood |
| 14:00.09 | PerfDave | http://channels.debian.net/paste > #flood |
| 14:00.15 | wols | dgdgdg: the error when you try to install kernel headers |
| 14:00.34 | azeem | dgdgdg: not many people in here are in #flood |
| 14:00.37 | wols | dgdgdg: (almost) no one from here is in #flood, so no one saw it |
| 14:00.55 | bier_ | any hints on how to get a java plugin for 64 bit firefox working? |
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| 14:01.25 | wols | nspluginwrapper perhaps |
| 14:01.54 | bier_ | this worked for flash, but it doesn't seem to work for (sun) java |
| 14:01.59 | dgdgdg | ok ill paste into here http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 14:04.15 | dgdgdg | Ok my error message http://paste.debian.net/35798 |
| 14:04.29 | dbmoodb | yeah i need some help guys - i installed the samsung linux drivers my permissions are skrewy i think, still after removing them - what is the default permission of /usr, /etc/ in debian etch |
| 14:04.39 | dbmoodb | is it root or a user ? |
| 14:04.40 | ventonegro | hi, i've installed vista, and then run lilo, and now everytime i try to boot into vista my machine reboots |
| 14:05.01 | ventonegro | has anyone seen this before? |
| 14:05.05 | PerfDave | dgdgdg: WHy are you installing random .debs by hand rather than using aptitude? |
| 14:05.14 | larsl | ventonegro: Why is that a bad thing? |
| 14:05.15 | PerfDave | dgdgdg: And what's your wireless card? |
| 14:05.30 | PerfDave | larsl: Think of all the HDD space that Vista is occupying! |
| 14:05.30 | ventonegro | larsl: because i'm gonna get fired? |
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| 14:05.44 | Ronin | ventonegro: heh doing that on a work machine? tsk tsk :) |
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| 14:06.15 | ventonegro | i can't stand vista for a long time, so i need a break from time to time |
| 14:06.28 | ventonegro | the thing is, i *need* windows to work |
| 14:06.32 | larsl | Vista doesn't like living on the same disk as Linux, does it? I remember reading something about that. |
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| 14:07.09 | dbmoodb | ... can i get an answer .. it's a simple thing... just do ls -l ... on / |
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| 14:07.45 | ventonegro | dbmoodb: root.root |
| 14:07.46 | azeem | dgdgdg: 1. is the hard disk full (check with the "df" command) 2. What does "file linux-kbuild-2.6.18_2.6.18-1_i386.deb" say? |
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| 14:07.49 | PerfDave | dbmoodb: All the directories in / (other than /tmp obviously) are root:root 0755 |
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| 14:07.55 | larsl | dbmoodb: Most of them are 755. |
| 14:07.59 | liable | which kernel did smp get integrated? |
| 14:08.01 | PerfDave | And /root too |
| 14:08.11 | dbmoodb | ok so /usr shouldn't be my username |
| 14:08.15 | dbmoodb | ok will fix that |
| 14:08.19 | wols | liable: pretty much all |
| 14:08.20 | ventonegro | damn, so no clues... i'm gonna try grub |
| 14:08.31 | dgdgdg | PerfDave Im new to linux. I tried the deb package installers then dpkg. if there is another way ill try that. |
| 14:08.42 | smacnay | is there a kde equivalent to ekiga? |
| 14:08.47 | ventonegro | soon, people will ask why i'm on linux |
| 14:08.50 | liable | wols: i cant remember where the debian kernels stopped offering -smp though |
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| 14:09.01 | dgdgdg | azeem the hd isnt full |
| 14:09.04 | PerfDave | liable: When Etch was released |
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| 14:09.19 | liable | thought so, ta |
| 14:09.52 | fastputty | ok someone could help me in this thing.. when i type dmesg, i got my logs, but i cannot find those log in /var/log.. not in messages no in syslog |
| 14:10.05 | azeem | fastputty: /msg dpkg bootlogd |
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| 14:10.16 | azeem | fastputty: also, did you look in kern.log? |
| 14:10.16 | PerfDave | fastputty: /var/log/dmesg ? |
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| 14:11.25 | fastputty | not there too |
| 14:11.34 | fastputty | not in kern.log and not in var/log/dmesg |
| 14:11.34 | fastputty | lol |
| 14:11.52 | fastputty | actually i do a grep * in the /var/Log and nothing at all |
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| 14:12.16 | fastputty | amazing huh |
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| 14:13.03 | wols | fastputty: so what is in kern.log? |
| 14:13.20 | fastputty | kern.log has nothing simular as what it got in dmesg |
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| 14:15.51 | dgdgdg | PerfDave sorry for the dlay . it has the ipw3945 wireless card |
| 14:16.19 | PerfDave | dgdgdg: And what version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:16.30 | dgdgdg | 4 etch |
| 14:16.30 | fastputty | so no one able to help me? lol.. |
| 14:16.32 | fastputty | XDDD |
| 14:16.40 | PerfDave | !tell fastputty -about further help |
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| 14:17.26 | liable | dgdgdg: is it a 3945? |
| 14:17.46 | Ronin | !tell UncleD about away |
| 14:17.57 | dgdgdg | liable yes |
| 14:18.14 | Ronin | shit and he msgs you too when you say his nick |
| 14:18.15 | liable | dgdgdg: apt-cache search ipw3945 |
| 14:18.34 | PerfDave | dgdgdg: There appear to be non-free/contrib packages for ipw3945 drivers |
| 14:18.34 | liable | dgdgdg: theres modules available for it |
| 14:18.45 | PerfDave | dgdgdg: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ipw3945&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 14:19.01 | dgdgdg | I have all th drivers its just the first stage of loading kbuild |
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| 14:19.23 | PerfDave | dgdgdg: Just install the ipw3945-modules-* package which matches your kernel version |
| 14:19.25 | liable | dgdgdg: if you get the modules, you dont need to worry about kbuild |
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| 14:20.09 | dgdgdg | i see. I havent loaded any modules before |
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| 14:20.22 | PerfDave | dgdgdg: Debian provides, even if you're using icky non-free shit :) |
| 14:20.42 | liable | intel drivers are free now |
| 14:20.55 | liable | just the old ones had the stupid daemon |
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| 14:21.09 | liable | still have stupid microcode though |
| 14:21.18 | liable | but thats par for the course |
| 14:21.34 | larsl | liable: Are the free drivers in the kernel yet? I had to patch to get it to work. |
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| 14:22.09 | liable | larsl: not in mainline yet, they are still arguiung with the kernel devs about it :) |
| 14:22.16 | liable | larsl: in wireless-dev though |
| 14:22.31 | TapoutT | how do you tell debian that there is no longer a cd available for apt-get .. everytime I go to install subversion it wants a cd in the drive... as opposed to downloading |
| 14:22.44 | PerfDave | TapoutT: edit /etc/apt/sources/list |
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| 14:22.53 | PerfDave | TapoutT: Comment out / delete the cdrom line, run "aptitude update" |
| 14:22.53 | larsl | TapoutT: Remove the line for the CD in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:23.00 | PerfDave | TapoutT: And use aptitude, not apt-get :) |
| 14:23.18 | PerfDave | My new laptop wifi card arrived this morning, haven't had a chance to play with it yet. Fully GPL drivers, no firmware. |
| 14:23.21 | TapoutT | eh? aptitude? I've been using apt-get forever heh |
| 14:23.26 | TapoutT | i'll read up on it |
| 14:23.31 | TapoutT | thanks guys |
| 14:23.32 | liable | PerfDave: what chip? |
| 14:23.40 | PerfDave | liable: RealTek |
| 14:23.43 | liable | ah |
| 14:23.49 | wols | PerfDave: driver? |
| 14:23.56 | PerfDave | TapoutT: apt-get is deprecated from Etch |
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| 14:24.01 | larsl | I'm sure there is firmware somewhere... |
| 14:24.03 | PerfDave | wols: rt2500 |
| 14:24.09 | TapoutT | PerfDave, why tho? |
| 14:24.13 | liable | the atheros 5212's finally got ported :) |
| 14:24.14 | wols | PerfDave: that is no realtek |
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| 14:24.42 | PerfDave | TapoutT: Because aptitude does handy stuff like automatically removing orphaned dependencies, logs, is better at dependency resolution etc. |
| 14:24.42 | wols | it uses RaLink chips |
| 14:24.48 | dgdgdg | apt-cache ipw3945 I dont have internet connection on the laptop im trying to get wireless on |
| 14:24.53 | PerfDave | wols: Ralink, not realtek, sorry. |
| 14:25.02 | TapoutT | PerfDave, makes sense.. thanks guys |
| 14:25.06 | PerfDave | dgdgdg: See the link to packages.debian.org with which I provided you. |
| 14:25.22 | dgdgdg | ok ill give that a try |
| 14:25.27 | liable | dgdgdg: you can get the .deb and install it with dpkg |
| 14:26.13 | larsl | I have to get a wireless router, all my neighbours are using WEP. =( |
| 14:26.24 | PerfDave | larsl: WEP is easy to crack :) |
| 14:26.31 | gfddf | liable ive tried but it requires kbuild . I have error report here http://paste.debian.net/35798 |
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| 14:26.40 | gfddf | ill try the link , two secs |
| 14:26.45 | PerfDave | aptitude install airsnort |
| 14:26.55 | PerfDave | aptitude install aircrack even |
| 14:27.27 | gfddf | PerfDave that link isnt working for me |
| 14:27.41 | liable | gfddf: dont you have ethernet on it? |
| 14:27.44 | PerfDave | gfddf: Who are you? |
| 14:27.51 | liable | dgdgdg: |
| 14:27.56 | wols | aircrack-ng |
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| 14:28.06 | Suara | hi... |
| 14:28.14 | liable | hola |
| 14:28.31 | gfddf | liable nah im travelling around south america |
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| 14:28.42 | ShakaGoldSaint | liable, hola |
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| 14:29.04 | Suara | wheres que "|" character in english laptop? |
| 14:29.05 | gfddf | Perfdave a newbie trying to get my wireless card to work :( |
| 14:29.05 | liable | gfddf: eh? |
| 14:29.29 | gfddf | liable i dont have access to ethernet I dont have cables etc |
| 14:29.31 | liable | oh, now i get it |
| 14:29.41 | PerfDave | gfddf: What link isn't working for you, and what wireless card do you have, and what version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:29.52 | liable | PerfDave: he's dgdgdg |
| 14:29.57 | karmatronic | anyone knows how to continue an upgrade after beeing disconnected ? |
| 14:30.09 | liable | dunno why the nick changed all of a sudden |
| 14:30.10 | PerfDave | karmatronic: What sort of upgrade? |
| 14:30.14 | gfddf | perdave the link you gave me isn working |
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| 14:30.22 | PerfDave | gfddf: Which link? |
| 14:30.39 | TapoutT | if you need a package like : "Compress::Raw::Zlib" ... in perl, how do you find the correct one in aptitude? |
| 14:30.44 | karmatronic | PerfDave: upgrading testing |
| 14:31.01 | PerfDave | TapoutT: it's normallly something like libperl-compres-raw-zlib |
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| 14:31.33 | gfddf | Perfdave 2.6.18-4-686 Etch ipw3945 wireless card error message http://paste.debian.net/35798 |
| 14:31.42 | h3sp4wn | TapoutT: use aptitude search zlib~nperl and look for the right one or you can use dh-make-perl |
| 14:31.57 | PerfDave | gfddf: Which link isn't working for you? |
| 14:32.12 | TapoutT | wow aptitude is amazing with the search .. way better |
| 14:32.13 | gfddf | this one http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ipw3945&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 14:32.43 | TapoutT | hey h3sp4wn, what is that ~n ? that's slick |
| 14:32.47 | h3sp4wn | TapoutT: Look at the search section or the reference manual |
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| 14:33.04 | h3sp4wn | TapoutT: http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html |
| 14:33.13 | gfddf | PerfDave http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ipw3945&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
| 14:33.21 | TapoutT | sweet, thanks man |
| 14:33.27 | TapoutT | amazing, no wonder apt-get is out :) |
| 14:33.31 | PerfDave | gfddf: OK, what about it "doesn't work" for you? |
| 14:33.58 | gfddf | ie the page dont load |
| 14:34.09 | predder | I cant type aptitude nearly as quickly as apt-get :( |
| 14:34.17 | PerfDave | gfddf: OK, it works for me so it's not the webserver. |
| 14:34.28 | TapoutT | ya but apti<tab> and you're done |
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| 14:35.14 | PerfDave | gfddf: Can you access other web pages from where you are? |
| 14:35.31 | gfddf | Ok ill try another internet cafe . yeah i can access other pages |
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| 14:36.39 | PerfDave | gfddf: It looks like you want to install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 from contrib and firmware-ipw3945 from non-free |
| 14:37.31 | gfddf | yeah i have all that software. but to install them i need o update header kernals and they have the dependency of kbuild |
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| 14:39.04 | gfddf | PerfDave ive got the card working before when i could use apt get |
| 14:39.07 | PerfDave | gfddf: Do you actually have those exact packages? |
| 14:39.28 | PerfDave | gfddf: Because kbuild sounds like you're trying to compile stuff, not install precompiled binary packages. |
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| 14:39.29 | gfddf | yeah i have |
| 14:39.37 | fastputty | someone know why my iptables do not log in syslog anymore. i have the kern.warning -/var/log/iptables.log |
| 14:39.44 | fastputty | in the syslog |
| 14:39.54 | PerfDave | gfddf: OK, I'm just not seeing how kbuild gets involved in this. |
| 14:39.58 | fastputty | i mean -/var/log/syslog.log |
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| 14:40.23 | gfddf | Perfdave ill show you . two secs |
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| 14:40.48 | PerfDave | gfddf: Sorry, I need to go now |
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| 14:41.27 | gfddf | ok thanks for you help |
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| 14:42.15 | nvz | well_src: hello |
| 14:42.44 | well_src | nvz, ni hao |
| 14:43.11 | nvz | well_src: having trouble staying connected there or what? |
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| 14:43.44 | well_src | nvz, my virtualbox bridge network do not work properly |
| 14:44.01 | nvz | I see. |
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| 14:46.35 | gfddf | for those of you following when i try to install the kernal headers which is required by the ieee80211-1.2.18 wireless stack installation i get the error dpkg: error processing linux-kbuild-2.6.18_2.6.18-1_i386.deb (--install please see my error rport |
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| 14:46.53 | well_src | nvz, can you help me? |
| 14:47.05 | gfddf | so i need to install kbuild in order to install the kernal headers |
| 14:47.30 | liable | gfddf: dont worry about headers, just get the modules package |
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| 14:47.51 | gfddf | can i get the modules package without apt get |
| 14:47.59 | bassvibe | hi, i've come to an issue with Xorg after a repartition of the laptop |
| 14:48.00 | liable | gfddf: yes, theres a deb for it |
| 14:48.16 | Suara | i am doing an apt-get update with this error: |
| 14:48.19 | gfddf | i see. this looks promising |
| 14:48.28 | Suara | W: GPG error: http://oss.oracle.com unstable Release: Las firmas siguientes no se pudieron verificar porque su llave pĆŗblica no estĆ” disponible: NO_PUBKEY 2E2BCDBCB38A8516 |
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| 14:48.45 | Suara | i did gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 2E2BCDBCB38A8516 && gpg --armor --export 2E2BCDBCB38A8516 | apt-key add - but not works |
| 14:48.49 | bassvibe | after some minutes I'm logged into kde .Xauthority gets zeroed thus preventing me to launch new apps |
| 14:48.56 | DrAk0 | Hello, I want to make like email groups with Exim, like giving an symbol adress like "sales" and a mail sent to this "address" sends it to multiples real email address is that possible? |
| 14:49.14 | liable | gfddf: which kernel you have? -4 or -5 ? |
| 14:49.15 | bassvibe | is there something I can do to investigate ? |
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| 14:49.22 | cast | Suara: just to be sure, does apt-key list show it? |
| 14:49.30 | liable | gfddf: uname -r |
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| 14:50.08 | L0cKn | monkey_squad: PRO E: |
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| 14:50.45 | LeonThePunisher | hi, i have a question. Gnome and gdm can have 500 mb to download in sid? |
| 14:50.46 | Suara | cast, makina:~/scripts# apt-key list |grep 2E2BCDBCB38A8516 |
| 14:50.46 | Suara | makina:~/scripts# |
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| 14:51.00 | liable | LeonThePunisher: sounds about right |
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| 14:51.14 | liable | LeonThePunisher: try gnome-core for less |
| 14:51.26 | cast | Suara: now do it without the grep and look. it might only print the short keyid |
| 14:51.40 | LeonThePunisher | liable: not need, thank i want to be sure |
| 14:51.45 | fastputty | someone know why my iptables do not log in syslog anymore. i have the kern.warning -/var/log/syslog.log |
| 14:52.18 | liable | fastputty: did you edit the init script for klogd? |
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| 14:52.39 | liable | or is that to console i guess |
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| 14:52.40 | fastputty | klogd?? |
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| 14:52.52 | fastputty | im using console only |
| 14:52.56 | fastputty | bash console |
| 14:52.56 | liable | yes, lokgd |
| 14:52.57 | gfddf | liable 2.6.18-4-686 Etch |
| 14:53.08 | lord_rob | Hi ! What does 0.0.0.0 mean for the default gateway ? |
| 14:53.30 | lord_rob | when I type route |
| 14:53.36 | fastputty | liable: it could be really possible how can i verify this |
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| 14:53.41 | Suara | cast, i got it. Just read this link: http://marc.abramowitz.info/archives/2007/02/28/fixing-no_pubkey-2e2bcdbcb38a8516-error-from-oracle-debian-repository/ |
| 14:53.58 | Suara | for everybody which has the same problem the key oracle |
| 14:54.06 | Suara | thank you anyway |
| 14:54.17 | liable | gfddf: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/l/linux-modules-contrib-2.6/ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch1_i386.deb |
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| 14:54.54 | liable | gfddf: do you have the firmware to? |
| 14:55.20 | gfddf | liable yeah |
| 14:55.27 | fastputty | liable: OMG. you fix my shit :DDDD |
| 14:55.35 | liable | gfddf: ok, that deb should get you going |
| 14:55.37 | fastputty | liable: you right, i did edit the klogd thing |
| 14:56.03 | liable | fastputty: the init script? |
| 14:56.39 | gfddf | ok ill try that but for some reaon the pge wont load. ill try another internet cafe |
| 14:56.52 | gfddf | thanks for your help |
| 14:56.59 | liable | gfddf: its not a page, its a link to a file |
| 14:57.12 | liable | gfddf: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=all&file=pool%2Fnon-free%2Ff%2Ffirmware-nonfree%2Ffirmware-ipw3945_0.4_all.deb&md5sum=04a46d7ebd09e25e1050b2b206e111ce&arch=all&type=main |
| 14:57.16 | liable | try that one |
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| 14:57.31 | liable | erm, wrong one |
| 14:57.33 | liable | sec |
| 14:57.57 | cast | would be a good homework assignment to analysis how much of #debian help is about closed source software |
| 14:58.09 | liable | gfddf: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fcontrib%2Fl%2Flinux-modules-contrib-2.6%2Fipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18%2B1.1.2-4%2Betch1_i386.deb&md5sum=c52d0df9412ba1fd72a051eddffc0556&arch=i386&type=main |
| 14:58.28 | gfddf | liable im trying it |
| 14:58.35 | liable | gfddf: try that link, any of the links should get it |
| 14:58.57 | cast | Suara: so does gpg --armor --export 2E2BCDBCB38A8516 error? o_0 |
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| 14:59.17 | spheard | hi |
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| 14:59.33 | gfddf | liable nah the file dont download / page dont load |
| 14:59.36 | liable | gfddf: hrm, i'm getting 404's from a few of those links myself |
| 14:59.57 | gfddf | ahh |
| 15:00.06 | liable | sec |
| 15:00.12 | gfddf | ill try again later maybe. |
| 15:00.16 | Suara | cast, just did $ wget http://oss.oracle.com/el4/RPM-GPG-KEY-oracle |
| 15:00.17 | Suara | $ sudo apt-key add RPM-GPG-KEY-oracle |
| 15:00.22 | spheard | how do I check what email is sitting in the mail to be sent queue |
| 15:00.25 | liable | gfddf: nah, just a sec |
| 15:00.43 | cast | Suara: man...in future. how about print out the errors you have, like this: gpg: requesting key B38A8516 from hkp server wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net gpgkeys: key 2E2BCDBCB38A8516 not found on keyserver |
| 15:01.13 | Suara | cast, women please |
| 15:01.16 | Suara | oks |
| 15:01.41 | madclicker | hi, i am trying to connect with a dialup connection but i get "sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x837c3738> <pcomp> <accomp>]" and the connection terminates |
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| 15:02.52 | liori | Hi, I've got a problem with nfs. I am trying to mount a share and while I can do that from the server, the client prints 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock...' when mounting and I get neither logs on the server, nor anything in dmesg/syslog. Anyone know how to debug that? |
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| 15:04.45 | ccvp | quereshi zimgola |
| 15:04.55 | ccvp | spackle my flax dong? |
| 15:05.09 | ccvp | Automation baysian filter poisoner v1.0a |
| 15:05.10 | liable | gfddf: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2007/01/28/debian/pool/contrib/l/linux-modules-contrib-2.6/ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18+1.1.3-4_i386.deb |
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| 15:05.56 | fastputty | liable: is there a way to reset klogd configuration |
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| 15:05.59 | gfddf | liable yep its downloading |
| 15:06.05 | liable | gfddf: you should get the new -5 kernel when you get the box online |
| 15:06.15 | liable | gfddf: then you can get the new modules |
| 15:07.02 | liable | fastputty: the only way i have changed klogd's logging is in the init script, changing the c value |
| 15:07.15 | gfddf | yeah I planned on updating everything |
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| 15:08.13 | gfddf | liable so I just use kpackage or dpkg to install the module |
| 15:08.23 | liable | gfddf: dpkg, yep |
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| 15:08.39 | liable | dunno what kpackage is |
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| 15:09.18 | jduggan_ | [3~ |
| 15:09.30 | liable | 4! |
| 15:10.44 | gfddf | kpackage installs deb files through a gui |
| 15:11.05 | gfddf | it allows you to test if the install will work and a few other tricks |
| 15:11.09 | juso | Whats is the equivlent to rpm -qa on debian? To list installed packages.. |
| 15:11.23 | juso | Im looking to upgrade mysql4 ot mysql5 on debian.. |
| 15:11.26 | wols | dpkg -l |
| 15:11.28 | juso | ahh ok |
| 15:11.36 | wols | there is only mysql5 |
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| 15:12.06 | juso | what you mean? well I have mysql-server installed |
| 15:12.35 | juso | mysql-server 4.0.24-10sarge |
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| 15:12.52 | juso | just a apt-get install mysql-server, should upgrade it for me? |
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| 15:13.03 | spheard | how do I reconfig exim? |
| 15:13.27 | cast | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config if you use that pkg.. |
| 15:13.46 | spheard | :-) thx |
| 15:13.54 | gfddf | liable does this rpalce the need for me to install , ieee80211..., ipw2200-... the firmware , headers |
| 15:14.12 | gfddf | i just load the module and my card should be detected |
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| 15:16.40 | gfddf | ill try it and and let you all know how it goes. thanks for the help |
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| 15:17.08 | juso | So in apt-get how would I upgrade a daemon? |
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| 15:17.22 | juso | apt-get upgrade "package-name" ? |
| 15:17.34 | cast | sure thing, and it should get restarted |
| 15:17.44 | juso | cast: me? |
| 15:17.45 | cast | if it doesn't then just /etc/init.d/daemon restart it |
| 15:17.53 | cast | yes, you |
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| 15:18.40 | juso | ahh ok going to try and upgrde mysql-server |
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| 15:18.55 | ampex | does anyone know of a simple utility to create a torrent file from the command line? |
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| 15:19.56 | cast | ampex: there is a bittorrent pkg...i expect it has everything you need |
| 15:21.17 | juso | Ok it doesn't seem to upgrade mysql-server from 4 to 5, what do I have set wrong? a "apt-get upgrade mysql-server" tell me about all other packages that will be upgraded.. |
| 15:21.20 | juso | any idea guys? |
| 15:22.06 | liable | you need to implicetely install 5 |
| 15:22.25 | juso | as in from a package? |
| 15:22.27 | liable | 4 will not automatically upgrade to 5 |
| 15:22.40 | juso | ohh ok, where could I get the package from? |
| 15:23.02 | juso | could I download only from apt-get? |
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| 15:23.17 | liable | yes |
| 15:23.35 | EvilGuru | How can I find out what version/revision of the PCI standard my system supports, lspci just seems to dump (as expected) PCI info |
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| 15:25.43 | jeward | Why would scripts placed in /etc/cron.daily not be run? |
| 15:25.54 | themill_ | is cron running? |
| 15:26.05 | jeward | Yes, normal crontab jobs are running. |
| 15:26.08 | cahoot | not exec? |
| 15:26.27 | themill_ | illegal chars in the file name? like . and _ |
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| 15:26.45 | h3sp4wn | machine off at that time ?(in that case use anacron or fcron etc) |
| 15:26.53 | jeward | I decided to start using cron.daily across all my servers yesterday, but come to find out it only ran on the RedHat boxes (4 out of 220+). |
| 15:27.05 | jeward | Servers are 24x7. |
| 15:27.30 | jeward | You don't have to have a crontab entry to run the cron.daily jobs, do you? |
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| 15:27.58 | themill_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:28.36 | jeward | Hmm, it's looking for anacron... let me verify it. |
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| 15:28.57 | jeward | ls: /usr/sbin/anacron: No such file or directory |
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| 15:29.02 | jeward | That would explain it. Thanks! |
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| 15:29.34 | themill_ | hmmm... now why would that be using anacron and not cron? |
| 15:29.41 | jeward | No idea? |
| 15:29.55 | jeward | These are mostly sarge. |
| 15:30.02 | h3sp4wn | It doesn't run them from cron if anacron is installed |
| 15:30.18 | themill_ | jeward: mine box also lists anacron for them |
| 15:30.18 | jeward | Would you install anacron (easy) or modify crontab (a bit more tedious)? |
| 15:30.37 | h3sp4wn | Shouldn't need anacron if its on 24/7 |
| 15:30.42 | jeward | It doesn't run them at all if anacron isn't installed. |
| 15:30.48 | h3sp4wn | but I use fcron |
| 15:31.10 | jeward | 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 15:31.32 | jeward | I wonder why it's set up that way? |
| 15:31.44 | themill_ | jeward: note that it's || not && |
| 15:32.01 | jeward | Ahhh, meaning do it if anacron ISN'T there. |
| 15:32.10 | jeward | So... why didn't it do it? |
| 15:32.32 | jeward | jeward@kw96:~$ which run-parts |
| 15:32.34 | jeward | /bin/run-parts |
| 15:32.35 | h3sp4wn | If anacron is not installed then test -x /usr/sbin/anacron would be 1 hence then do the run-pats bit |
| 15:32.43 | xored | iam trying to install filter extension for php under etch stable and i get : http://pastebin.com/m251e47f3 |
| 15:32.56 | jeward | So it should have done it. |
| 15:32.58 | xored | how would i "unmask" only ths extension or force the installation ? |
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| 15:33.59 | themill_ | jeward: in cron.daily, are the filenames all just a-z and all chmod +x? |
| 15:34.10 | h3sp4wn | jeward: usually if there is a problem you should get a mail (presuming you have a mta working) |
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| 15:34.47 | jeward | Yes. |
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| 15:34.49 | fastputty | why my debian log /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -j LOG --log-prefix '[IPTABLES INPUT] :' but not log iptables -A LOG_DROP -j LOG --log-tcp-options --log-ip-options --log-prefix '[IPTABLES DROP] : ' iptables -A LOG_DROP -j DROP |
| 15:35.14 | jeward | I don't see any erros in /var/log/* |
| 15:35.23 | jeward | mta is working. |
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| 15:36.04 | jeward | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 419 Oct 26 2003 find |
| 15:36.06 | jeward | -rwxr-xr-x 1 jeward dev 328 Aug 29 12:03 find.nobody.writeables |
| 15:36.07 | themill_ | jeward: run-parts has some other things it can do. (man run-parts). Try --list |
| 15:36.16 | jeward | Could ownership be an issue? |
| 15:36.30 | TurboBee | i just got done restoring an image of my preconfigured debian to new hardware and now eth0 shows up as eth1. how do I make the network device show up as eth0 like it used to? |
| 15:36.54 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 15:36.54 | dpkg | z25 is probably as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
| 15:37.08 | cahoot | TurboBee, ^^ |
| 15:37.12 | TurboBee | thank you :) |
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| 15:37.25 | thelostbutler | hello folks is it possible to get more information about the network card controller. i am using the pciutils from unstable on a sarge system. all i have at the moment from lspci -v -v -v is this Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation PRO/1000 EB Network Connection with I/O Acceleration (rev 01) |
| 15:37.27 | jeward | Aha! run-parts --test doesn't print my new script, so it must be the ownership. |
| 15:37.28 | nachox | where can i download http://non-us.debian.org gpg key? |
| 15:37.33 | cahoot | TurboBee, that's my guess anyway |
| 15:37.45 | themill_ | jeward: or the . |
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| 15:38.09 | fastputty | my klogd do not log warning message, someone can help me to fix it |
| 15:38.10 | jeward | Wow, maybe so, permissions didn't fix it. |
| 15:38.13 | solemnwarning | Is sysvinit going to be replaced in lenny or sid? |
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| 15:38.33 | themill_ | jeward: read man run-parts... it has all sorts of things that I never knew it could do ;) |
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| 15:39.08 | TurboBee | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.26 | Wulf_ | TurboBee: is this brainfuck code? |
| 15:39.38 | jeward | It's the '.' in the filename! Thanks guys! |
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| 15:39.41 | themill_ | !kill TurboBee's cat |
| 15:39.54 | TurboBee | sorry |
| 15:40.01 | TurboBee | I fell asleep on the keyboard |
| 15:40.14 | themill_ | !coffee TurboBee |
| 15:40.14 | Wulf_ | !kill itself |
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| 15:40.46 | TurboBee | how embarassing :] |
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| 15:45.23 | xored | iam trying to install filter extension for php under etch stable and i get : http://pastebin.com/m251e47f3 can i somehow unmask it ? |
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| 15:46.19 | Solet | anyone know of a super lightweight webserver? |
| 15:46.31 | thelostbutler | solet: lighttpd |
| 15:46.48 | cratylus | hey all would anyone recommend a gui or way to set up a dual screen using gnome? (fyi: i use debian lenny gnome) |
| 15:46.57 | Wulf_ | Solet: tux webserver? |
| 15:47.16 | Solet | which is lighter? lighttpd or tux? |
| 15:47.37 | Solet | it'll be running on an old ass pentium2 with php5 and mysql4.1 |
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| 15:48.08 | xored | Solet: lightttp is slow for php. |
| 15:48.14 | Solet | doesnt need to run fast, i'm the only one that'll be using it's web side |
| 15:48.15 | rellik | what's the command to count the lines of output of grep? something like "grep <> * | count" |
| 15:48.16 | xored | Solet: its only fast for static things |
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| 15:48.33 | cratylus | relik: wc -l |
| 15:48.36 | xored | Solet: then use lighthttp |
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| 15:48.50 | themill_ | grep -c |
| 15:49.05 | rellik | cratylus, beautiful thanks |
| 15:49.45 | themill_ | rellik: you don't need the pipe or wc. grep can do it for you. grep -c (see man grep) |
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| 15:50.10 | cast | Solet: thttpd i use |
| 15:50.49 | Solet | does the webserver need to be installed before php and mysql? or can i add it later on? |
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| 15:51.41 | bullgard4 | How can I find out the name of my disk driver? |
| 15:53.18 | cratylus | bullgard4: lsmod ? or lspci ? |
| 15:53.59 | themill_ | bullgard4: put lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 15:54.01 | spheard | Im to set up a exim4 smart host to collect mail for various servers on the subnet and send em off into the net. Im getting relay access denied tho :-( I have entered 89.146.156.0/24 in the "Machines to relay mail for:" box but still the problem persists |
| 15:55.26 | bullgard4 | themill_: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14323/ Is the name ahci,ata_piix? |
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| 15:56.13 | themill_ | that's 2 separate modules, ahci and ata_piix |
| 15:56.44 | themill_ | they are both SATA driver modules and are probably what you are looking for. |
| 15:57.03 | bullgard4 | themill_: Thank you. |
| 15:57.05 | themill_ | bullgard4: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:57.55 | bullgard4 | themill_: To get resume from suspend-to-disk working. |
| 15:58.22 | themill_ | ahh... joy. |
| 15:58.31 | xored | how to install pcre for debian ? |
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| 15:59.16 | themill_ | bullgard4: I'm using uswsusp (the package is in etch) and it seems to work quite nicely. Nothing much to do to get it to work. |
| 16:00.13 | themill_ | xored: I presume you have started with apt-cache search pcre |
| 16:00.43 | bullgard4 | themill_: I have installed uswsusp. Still when resuming a dial keeps spinning ad infinitum. |
| 16:00.46 | xored | themill_: i have found it yes after searching thorugh 20 packages...nothing really "ease" |
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| 16:01.30 | Downix | hey everyone |
| 16:02.03 | themill_ | bullgard4: Are you using lenny or sid? |
| 16:02.38 | Downix | can someone recommend a good gigabit NIC card with solid Linux support, PCI or PCI-X? |
| 16:03.18 | cast | Downix: make sure it supports 9k jumbo frames...this shitty realtek has solid linux support - but only supports 4.5k frames |
| 16:03.58 | Downix | I just got a shitty realtek that isn't working |
| 16:04.15 | cast | <E cam |
| 16:04.16 | Downix | brb |
| 16:04.22 | maxamillion | Downix: pretty much any gigabit ethernet made by dlink or linsys have good linux support ... i'm almost positive both companies release open source linux drivers for each |
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| 16:06.10 | cast | maxamillion: i can't imagine a dlink gigeth using something than a realtek chip :\ |
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| 16:06.43 | maxamillion | cast: meh, not entirely sure |
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| 16:07.20 | cast | !realtek |
| 16:07.20 | dpkg | realtek is probably a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html, or <rtl-wifi> |
| 16:07.47 | maxamillion | why is the "select and install software" part of the net install keep hanging on "retreiving package 142 of 142" ??? ... etch stable release, it happens with both the business card and the net install cd image |
| 16:07.56 | cast | i like realtek as its oh so very cheap. and works. albeit with worse performance |
| 16:08.45 | themill_ | maxamillion: any error messages on other consoles? (Alt+F3, IIRC) |
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| 16:13.41 | maxamillion | themill_: nope |
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| 16:14.43 | maxamillion | themill_: just has a bunch of "Get: <foo>" output |
| 16:14.52 | bonez39 | I need to copy over, with -a flag...several files on one box, to a folder on another linux box..on same network ... I can ssh to the other box..but I want to be able to run 'cp -a * /other/machine/folder/' |
| 16:15.28 | themill_ | bonez39: look into either scp or rsync |
| 16:16.13 | themill_ | maxamillion: hmmm.... you're sure it's hung not just taking its time over things for some reason? |
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| 16:16.26 | bonez39 | themill_: might scp have similar flags, such as the -a with cp |
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| 16:17.41 | themill_ | bonez39: scp will do recursive. Not sure abouy symlinks though. If you want a good mirror then use rsync. man scp and man rsync |
| 16:18.28 | jelly | cast: had a dlink 100Mbit card with via-rhine and it subjectively did much better than a typical 8139[bcd] |
| 16:18.41 | maxamillion | themill_: i don't see why ... its a core2duo w/2gb of ram sitting on a gigabit state university connection |
| 16:19.12 | maxamillion | themill_: this should have taken about 20 minutes start to finish but its been an hour and a half |
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| 16:20.20 | jelly | bonez39: scp isn't good enough if you have hardlinks, use rsync instead is that's the case |
| 16:20.24 | wastro | wouldn't it be nice if debian servers used torrents? |
| 16:20.29 | wastro | for packages? |
| 16:20.32 | themill_ | maxamillion: sounds hung then :( are you selecting anything in tasksel? |
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| 16:20.41 | cast | wastro: there is such a scheme available |
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| 16:20.57 | wastro | cast: tell me more :) |
| 16:20.59 | maxamillion | themill_: base system and laptop environment |
| 16:21.07 | spheard | I'm trying to set up exim4 as a smart host to deliver mails originating from certain IP addresses. but It wont relay mails from other domains. any ideas? |
| 16:21.07 | maxamillion | themill_: it appears hung on wireless tools |
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| 16:21.19 | maxamillion | themill_: i am just going to download and try the testing installer |
| 16:21.44 | themill_ | maxamillion: i understand the testing installer is in poor shape atm and is not recommended for use. |
| 16:21.58 | maxamillion | :( |
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| 16:22.04 | maxamillion | themill_: any suggestions? |
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| 16:22.37 | themill_ | maxamillion: perhaps leave off the base system and get the base install working. Then think about pulling in things by running tasksel after you have a working installation |
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| 16:22.58 | maxamillion | themill_: ok, thanks |
| 16:23.03 | cast | wastro: http://debtorrent.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 16:23.32 | joey[] | hello, how come there's no EDT (Eastern Daylight Time) in /usr/share/zoneinfo/? |
| 16:24.40 | wastro | cast: lovely thanks a bunch |
| 16:24.46 | themill_ | joey[]: eastern who? |
| 16:25.44 | themill_ | joey[]: there are a lot of countries that have an "eastern" time zone. |
| 16:25.46 | joey[] | my time on server is 11:21, but it should be 12:21 ... It's EST instead of EDT. http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/new-jersey/woodcliff-lake/index.htm |
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| 16:27.35 | coir | How's everyone? |
| 16:27.53 | simonrvn | joey[]: EST5EDT |
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| 16:29.16 | DrAk0 | who knows how activate /etc/aliases with exim on debian? |
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| 16:29.32 | simonrvn | it just does. you don't have to do anything |
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| 16:30.19 | themill_ | joey[]: daylight saving rules should be in the tz definition. If the date is right, then it should get the time and dst rule right. |
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| 16:30.32 | DrAk0 | simonrvn, well Delivery to arbitrary files, directory or to pipes in the /etc/aliases |
| 16:30.32 | DrAk0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:30.40 | LinuxBlues | DrAk0, run newaliases, that's how to activate it with postfix, dunno with exim |
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| 16:30.58 | meisok | #trans debian |
| 16:31.00 | simonrvn | LinuxBlues: simonrvn> it just does. you don't have to do anything |
| 16:31.23 | LinuxBlues | me? |
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| 16:31.30 | DrAk0 | simonrvn, i got it from /usr/share/doc/exim4-base/README.Debian.gz |
| 16:32.08 | simonrvn | DrAk0: and what am i supposed to do about that? |
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| 16:33.06 | joey[] | themill_, simonrvn: thank you, i've used tzconfig to set America/New_York, now EDT is included |
| 16:33.15 | themill_ | joey[]: excellent ;) |
| 16:33.21 | DrAk0 | simonrvn, that you are saying that you don't need to do anything but the Debian doc says is disabled by default and actually exim isnt reading my aliases files, thats why im asking. |
| 16:33.52 | simonrvn | DrAk0: and? go see about enabling it |
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| 16:34.14 | themill_ | DrAk0: your initial question was "who knows how activate /etc/aliases with exim on debian?", not "how do I allow arbitrary pipes and other security holes on my system using /etc/aliases" |
| 16:34.30 | DrAk0 | simonrvn, yes, and the part it says how to enable i didnt get it thats my question |
| 16:34.34 | themill_ | DrAk0: and keep reading that doc, it explains why not to and how to if you really need to |
| 16:34.35 | chlue | Hello i want to play a rmvb-file on an amd64 system. Best thing I found is, that it should be possible trough win32 codes on a 32bit system, while on 64bit it is not possible. Does this still apply? |
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| 16:34.55 | DrAk0 | themill_, yes, using something like mailman |
| 16:35.50 | DrAk0 | but is an over kill for my needs, and is only for local connections so ... well nevermind, ill keep looking myself |
| 16:36.47 | themill_ | DrAk0: what does mailman have to do with it? what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:37.29 | simonrvn | themill_: mailman in some configurations uses pipe aliases to manage delivery of list mail |
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| 16:37.37 | DrAk0 | themill_, trying to deliver a email to multiple addresses pointing for one address, something like sending to "sales" and it goes to 2 or 3 emails address |
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| 16:38.18 | simonrvn | DrAk0: i suggest you go look up marc merlins' mailman exim transports and routers |
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| 16:38.42 | petemc | or use an alias |
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| 16:38.47 | simonrvn | DrAk0: works if mailman and the intended mta are on the same box |
| 16:38.50 | petemc | sales: foo, bar, bob |
| 16:38.50 | themill_ | simonrvn: I know (love and hate) mailman -- I was just asking what mailman had to do with the question.... |
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| 16:39.25 | shad0w1e | I added a path in /etc/profile, how come only root gets it? |
| 16:39.27 | DrAk0 | petemc, that was the inital question, how to do that with an alias |
| 16:39.38 | petemc | DrAk0: as i typed it, in /etc/aliases |
| 16:39.40 | DrAk0 | themill_, you get what im trying to do now? |
| 16:39.48 | themill_ | DrAk0: argh... that wasn't your initial question....! |
| 16:40.00 | themill_ | DrAk0: yes, I understand what you are trying to do and it is trivial. |
| 16:40.00 | DrAk0 | petemc, well , it doesn't work, is like exim is not reading aliases |
| 16:40.08 | simonrvn | DrAk0> who knows how activate /etc/aliases with exim on debian? |
| 16:40.10 | DrAk0 | themill_, well, forgive my language limitation :P |
| 16:40.34 | themill_ | DrAk0: it's not a language thing, it's about giving us the information we need to be able to help you. |
| 16:40.37 | larsl | What package is the man pages for glibc in? |
| 16:40.45 | petemc | DrAk0: you used debconf to configure exim? which option did you choose? |
| 16:40.51 | Wulf_ | glibc-doc manpages-devel |
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| 16:41.15 | shad0w1e | hey, i got a weird problem. I set something in /etc/profile. when I su to another user from root, it doesnt work but if I su - , it does, even though it works from root. any ideas? thanks |
| 16:41.39 | larsl | Wulf_: Thanks. |
| 16:41.52 | simonrvn | manpages-dev |
| 16:41.58 | simonrvn | larsl: ^^^ |
| 16:42.04 | jetscreamer | one is a logon and the other isn't? |
| 16:42.04 | themill_ | shad0w1e: it's the difference between a login shell and a non-login shell. |
| 16:42.14 | jetscreamer | \o/ /me guesses well |
| 16:42.16 | shad0w1e | themill_, shouldnt it maintain what root hsa? |
| 16:42.18 | larsl | simonrvn: I was just about to say that manpages-devel didn't exist. =) |
| 16:42.19 | shad0w1e | has* |
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| 16:43.51 | themill_ | shad0w1e: su - creates a login shell that sources /etc/profile and /etc/bash.bashrc; su only starts a new version of $SHELL that only sources the rc file. |
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| 16:44.36 | shad0w1e | so if i want something to maintain with a regular, su, I need to put it in the rc file? where is hte rc file? |
| 16:44.45 | jetscreamer | .bashrc? |
| 16:44.49 | jetscreamer | ~ |
| 16:44.55 | shad0w1e | OH |
| 16:45.08 | prahal_ | /etc/environment |
| 16:45.31 | themill_ | !tell shad0w1e about dotfiles |
| 16:45.43 | shad0w1e | no no, i dont have it on my old machine im transferring from |
| 16:45.49 | shad0w1e | and it works there with a reg su... |
| 16:45.52 | shad0w1e | so im tryin to figure out why |
| 16:46.17 | shad0w1e | ohh, bec its in /usr/local :) |
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| 16:46.47 | shad0w1e | <dpkg> themill_ wants you to know: it has been said that dotfiles is http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 16:46.47 | shad0w1e | <shad0w1e> exit |
| 16:46.47 | shad0w1e | <dpkg> /quit you fool! |
| 16:46.47 | shad0w1e | <shad0w1e> lol |
| 16:46.47 | shad0w1e | <dpkg> If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 16:47.04 | jetscreamer | \o/ wtg |
| 16:47.08 | simonrvn | hehehe |
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| 16:47.43 | raphi | anyone knows a good software to get access to a debiansystem over a java-applet in the browser |
| 16:47.46 | raphi | like a vnc |
| 16:48.01 | jetscreamer | that sounds so insecure |
| 16:48.08 | raphi | svnc :-p |
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| 16:48.23 | raphi | isn't vnc encryptet? |
| 16:48.25 | prahal_ | webmin ... oh you want like vnc . there is a vnc applet |
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| 16:49.02 | prahal_ | what was the name of this faster than vnc and encrypted software |
| 16:49.04 | raphi | ok, but is it also possible to encrypt the datastream? |
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| 16:49.29 | ricky | prahal_: OpenVPN? |
| 16:49.33 | ricky | Oops. |
| 16:49.39 | ricky | I keep mixing up VNC and VPN. |
| 16:49.44 | ricky | FreeNX? |
| 16:49.50 | prahal_ | nope |
| 16:49.53 | themill_ | raphi: do you mean a java-applet based ssh client? |
| 16:49.56 | prahal_ | freenx yes |
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| 16:50.25 | ricky | I have it installed, but I end up never needing it (I just use SSH). |
| 16:50.28 | raphi | themill_: not exactly, but this would also be fine |
| 16:50.37 | prahal_ | I wonder why it is not in debian already . So much more efficient |
| 16:50.40 | raphi | i'd like to see my screen |
| 16:51.37 | themill_ | raphi: for ssh, you can try jta |
| 16:51.54 | themill_ | raphi: and you can push the vnc connection through ssh if you want |
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| 16:52.29 | raphi | themill: is it a big deal to to it over ssh? |
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| 16:54.05 | themill_ | raphi: not at all. Not sure about using jta, but it's just a matter of forwarding a port |
| 16:54.37 | raphi | themill: got a short tutorial somewhere, how to do this? |
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| 16:55.47 | ghatak | Hi, i have this line when i do netstat tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:172.31.2.22:22 ::ffff:81.97.220.:35349 ESTABLISHED |
| 16:56.04 | ghatak | however i dont use IPV6 on my network |
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| 16:57.12 | ghatak | the connection works fine, however i am trying to configure stunnel between these two boxes, and i want only allow 81.97 box access on 172.31 box. |
| 16:57.49 | xingu | ghatak: yes you do; there's no distinction between ip4 and ip6 at the sockets layer in modern libc. |
| 16:57.52 | ghatak | I added the IP address in hosts.allow but this connection is does show correctly the ip address of 81.97 box, and the is why i am being denied access to that box. what can i do |
| 16:58.25 | xingu | ghatak: try [::ffff:172.31.2.22] in your hosts.allow |
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| 16:59.34 | prahal_ | ricky, are you using packages for freenx ? The official site ubuntu/debian repo only contains 0.4 while the current version is 0.7 |
| 16:59.54 | themill_ | raphi: google has many. Actually, there are java based vnc clients which might be even easier for you. http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/VNC/vnc-over-ssh.html and http://www.realvnc.com/javavncviewer.html |
| 17:00.20 | ricky | prahal_: Nope, I actually ended up installing stuff from nomachine.com :( |
| 17:00.35 | ghatak | xingu: the other way around |
| 17:01.13 | ghatak | xingu: but as you can see, ::ffff:81.97.220.:35349 is not correct ip address |
| 17:01.35 | raphi | themill_: that looks nice!! thank you |
| 17:02.03 | yang | I can't find in exim4 FAQ how to delete frozen messages (and previously display them)...? |
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| 17:03.10 | h3sp4wn | yang: neximon or eximon |
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| 17:03.27 | h3sp4wn | (or at least I used to use those years ago) |
| 17:03.34 | xingu | ghatak: is it 220.0 ? |
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| 17:03.50 | h3sp4wn | yang: eximon4 (for exim 4) |
| 17:03.55 | yang | thanks |
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| 17:04.30 | slapfaceware | exim is one very very very good mta |
| 17:04.33 | xingu | ghatak: [::ffff:81.97.220.0] would be a valid address which may well truncate to that form [::ffff:81.97.220.] - I've not checked. |
| 17:04.58 | yang | h3sp4wn: but that is an X application |
| 17:05.00 | ghatak | xingu: no i am connecting from 81.97.220.98 |
| 17:05.23 | h3sp4wn | yang: I haven't had to do it for a number of years |
| 17:05.30 | h3sp4wn | eximon was a cli app |
| 17:06.11 | yang | Tag: interface::x11, protocol::smtp, role::program, scope::application, uitoolkit::athena, use::monitor, works-with::mail, x11::application |
| 17:06.26 | yang | I don't know if it works for console |
| 17:06.30 | xingu | ghatak: in which case try [::ffff:81.97.220.98] in hosts.allow; looks like either a formatting (column truncating) bug in netstat or possibly something to do with your column width env vars. |
| 17:06.32 | slapfaceware | it doesn't |
| 17:07.08 | slapfaceware | just use tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 17:07.09 | h3sp4wn | That won't let you thaw etc though |
| 17:07.09 | yang | slapfaceware: yes, i get message is frozen 20 times...I would like them displayed first and then purged |
| 17:07.10 | ghatak | hmmm ok |
| 17:07.10 | h3sp4wn | the eximon I used has a similar interface to sysv-rc-conf |
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| 17:07.29 | jetscreamer | ncurses, foinled again |
| 17:07.36 | jetscreamer | gah foiled |
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| 17:08.57 | \amethyst | yang: exim4 -bp to list messages, exim4 -Mrc <messageids> to remove them |
| 17:09.08 | yang | thanks |
| 17:09.20 | \amethyst | yang: that should me -Mrm not -Mrc |
| 17:09.35 | \amethyst | my fingers are not cooperating today |
| 17:11.00 | ampex | how can I limit outgoing bandwidth depending upon the source IP address? |
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| 17:11.54 | baikonur | hi |
| 17:11.58 | slapfaceware | ampex, QoS |
| 17:12.12 | slapfaceware | CBQ RED |
| 17:12.16 | slapfaceware | will do that |
| 17:12.23 | slapfaceware | maybe HFSC too |
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| 17:13.31 | Solet | why do my arrow keys not work right in vi? they keep making A B C and D and i cant back space or delete them right... i cant always get it into insert mode... it's just fucking up a lot... does vi normally have issues working over ssh? |
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| 17:14.07 | h3sp4wn | Solet: use hjkl (its faster once you get used to it) |
| 17:14.19 | Eulex | Solet, what ssh client are you using? |
| 17:14.20 | h3sp4wn | Solet: or install the full vim |
| 17:14.22 | Solet | putty |
| 17:14.42 | Solet | hjkl? |
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| 17:15.06 | h3sp4wn | Solet: those are the normal vi keys to use in command mode |
| 17:15.09 | slapfaceware | ampex, you cound try BLUE, CBQ , FIFOQ, HFSC , PRIQ ,RED , RIO , WFQ ,JoBS and CDNR , but i don't know how many of them are fully supported in linux |
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| 17:15.36 | Eulex | Solet, try putting screen between vim and putty, it has helped in some cases for me. |
| 17:15.37 | slapfaceware | class based queue and first in first out queue are quite popular |
| 17:15.38 | Solet | to get into edit mode it's the insert key right? |
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| 17:15.44 | Solet | i'm in screen |
| 17:15.47 | themill_ | Solet: use vim instead. You may need to create a .vimrc file to get it working. i for insert mode |
| 17:15.55 | h3sp4wn | Solet: or a |
| 17:15.59 | h3sp4wn | (for append) |
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| 17:16.09 | h3sp4wn | Solet: Are you sure you don't just have vim-tiny installed ? |
| 17:16.16 | h3sp4wn | (or nvi if you are on sarge) |
| 17:16.33 | slapfaceware | does linux support BLUE, CBQ , FIFOQ, HFSC , PRIQ ,RED , RIO , WFQ ,JoBS and CDNR ? |
| 17:16.41 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 17:17.02 | slapfaceware | no??!! |
| 17:17.08 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 17:17.11 | slapfaceware | ok fuck linux then |
| 17:17.15 | Solet | i'm on etch. how would i tell which it is? |
| 17:17.18 | jetscreamer | maybe |
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| 17:18.31 | cmacis | There's a website I like that has a windows media player file built in. Is there any way of viewing this within debian. The site is www.hencam.co.uk |
| 17:18.43 | abrotman | mplayer-mozilla is one way |
| 17:18.52 | jetscreamer | gah abrotman beat me to it |
| 17:19.00 | hark | Solet: can't you use another editor? say nano.. |
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| 17:19.05 | jetscreamer | the vlc plugin gives good movie also |
| 17:19.14 | slapfaceware | get used to vi |
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| 17:19.34 | Solet | hark: is nano easy to use? i've used vi before, but it's never acted retarded like this |
| 17:19.51 | jetscreamer | nano is easy. it also even has syntax highlighting if you turn it on |
| 17:19.52 | h3sp4wn | Its not retarted its acting like vi (not vim) |
| 17:19.55 | Solet | additionally, between vi and nano which is 'lighter'? |
| 17:20.04 | jetscreamer | nano i would think |
| 17:20.06 | cmacis | Should vlc work straight from installation from synaptic, or do I need to tell iceweasel to recognise it? |
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| 17:20.33 | \amethyst | Solet: what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim say? |
| 17:20.39 | jetscreamer | if you install the vlc plugin it should 'just work' just installing vlc won't do it afaik |
| 17:20.48 | Dantix | hi all, I need to extract from a file the lines containing string1 and lines containing string2 in one step because string1 and string2 are related, to a 2nd file, what should be the command? |
| 17:21.03 | jetscreamer | Dantix: ask in #perl and #bash also |
| 17:21.06 | cmacis | okay, where is the vlc plugin please? |
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| 17:21.20 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search plugin | grep vlc |
| 17:21.27 | cmacis | ta |
| 17:21.28 | jetscreamer | probably/maybe on marillat's |
| 17:21.37 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:21.37 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 17:21.44 | baikonur | when I get an error like "[43.574834] 8139too: probe of 0000:00:04.0 failed with error -16" where can I get information about what "error -16" means? |
| 17:21.49 | jetscreamer | !tell cmacis -about debian-multimedia.etch |
| 17:21.59 | Dantix | jetscreamer: thx |
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| 17:22.40 | \amethyst | Dantix: grep 'foo\|bar\|baz' |
| 17:22.41 | jetscreamer | baikonur: are you positive it's 8139too you want? it is usually 8139too, but there is another 8139something also |
| 17:22.54 | themill_ | 8139cp |
| 17:22.58 | Solet | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-08-29 19:31 /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.tiny |
| 17:23.08 | \amethyst | Solet: that's your problem |
| 17:23.33 | \amethyst | Solet: vim.tiny has very few features, and it's in vi-compatible mode by default (no arrows in insert mode) |
| 17:23.34 | baikonur | jetscreamer: yes. because it says a few lines below: 8139cp 0000:00:04.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip \ 8139cp 0000:00:04.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead. |
| 17:23.45 | Solet | what's the package name for vi? |
| 17:23.51 | jetscreamer | vi probably |
| 17:23.56 | Solet | apt-get install vi just bitches at me |
| 17:24.00 | \amethyst | Solet: which vi? |
| 17:24.06 | Solet | ? |
| 17:24.11 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search vi |
| 17:24.28 | jetscreamer | gah that looks like it would return a lot |
| 17:24.33 | Solet | yeah... that gives everything but vi |
| 17:24.34 | cmacis | can I download from debian multimedia with synaptic? |
| 17:24.41 | jetscreamer | yes cmacis |
| 17:24.50 | \amethyst | Solet: if you want something that is very close to the original vi, try nvi |
| 17:24.51 | jetscreamer | just add the source in the sources.list |
| 17:24.52 | h3sp4wn | Solet: You don't want vi |
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| 17:25.06 | Solet | why not? |
| 17:25.13 | h3sp4wn | Solet: arrow keys don't work in command mode in vi either |
| 17:25.17 | baikonur | jetscreamer: the whole output that is relevant is: http://paste.debian.net/35819 |
| 17:25.19 | Gathond | right, any sane person would want vim |
| 17:25.20 | azeem | Solet: because you just complained about it |
| 17:25.23 | \amethyst | Solet: If you want to select a different vim as default, update-alternatives --config vim |
| 17:25.45 | Solet | is nano actually lighter than vi/vim? |
| 17:25.57 | h3sp4wn | Solet: just - aptitude install vim |
| 17:26.19 | \amethyst | Solet: yes, and it has many fewer features |
| 17:26.32 | Solet | i'll try nano then |
| 17:26.48 | h3sp4wn | Solet: If you want lighter try ed |
| 17:26.50 | Solet | this machine has the processing power of an autistic child on shrooms |
| 17:26.53 | jetscreamer | baikonur: lspci |grep -i ethernet and determine which module you really need |
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| 17:27.16 | jetscreamer | i can't swear but seems to me there might have been a third 8139based thingy |
| 17:27.22 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 17:27.24 | baikonur | jetscreamer: it's the correcet module: 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
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| 17:27.49 | baikonur | jetscreamer: it least that's what I read out of the lspci output |
| 17:28.17 | jetscreamer | baikonur: when i had questions i used to look on scyld.com/network.html iirc , but the pages have changed i think |
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| 17:28.18 | baikonur | jetscreamer: I don't understand the ACPI and PCI error messages though |
| 17:29.38 | baikonur | jetscreamer: thanks. it's still accessible via web.archive.org. |
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| 17:30.42 | jetscreamer | i know you can pass the module parameters, but i don't know which or what you might want, if you even want... like using a diff area for that mem error |
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| 17:31.40 | jetscreamer | my god downloading a gig through dialup would really suck eh. anybody know how long it might take? |
| 17:31.53 | azeem | !anybody |
| 17:31.53 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:32.00 | jetscreamer | oh spare me :) |
| 17:32.07 | azeem | !calculater |
| 17:32.09 | azeem | eh. |
| 17:32.12 | adv4cate | jetscreamer: at 56k you can reasonably expect about one meg every five minutes. |
| 17:32.24 | jetscreamer | that's right... i remember now |
| 17:32.40 | jetscreamer | so 5000/60=hours |
| 17:32.47 | jetscreamer | 5-7 |
| 17:32.50 | adv4cate | jetscreamer: so a gig would take... a super crazy long time. |
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| 17:34.18 | adv4cate | jetscreamer: my dialup experience is also that, for whatever reason, the download slows as it progresses. for a transfer the size of a gig you may only be able to expect, overall, one meg every ten minutes (28.8k speed). |
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| 17:34.59 | jetscreamer | adv4cate: thank god it's a choice not a need |
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| 17:43.24 | rapi | hi all |
| 17:43.49 | mbroeker | hi rapi |
| 17:43.50 | rapi | someone knows where i can find xorg 7.3 deb? |
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| 17:44.17 | azeem | rapi: eh, why do you need them? |
| 17:44.31 | azeem | rapi: and what version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:44.41 | rapi | azeem, for the new ati driver, i 'm on unstable |
| 17:44.55 | azeem | they will hit unstable at some point I guess |
| 17:45.16 | themill_ | there are some rc1 debs in experimental |
| 17:45.49 | azeem | rapi: or just dpkg -i http://packages.debian.org/experimental/x11/xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 17:45.54 | azeem | rapi: at your own risk, of course |
| 17:46.03 | rapi | azeem, ok i 'll try |
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| 17:46.13 | azeem | ah no, you'd need a newer xserver-xorg-core as wel |
| 17:46.15 | azeem | l |
| 17:46.18 | azeem | so don't do that |
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| 17:48.37 | rapi | ! dpkg -l |grep xserver-xorg |
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| 17:48.44 | rapi | soory |
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| 17:52.04 | rahul | !penixstrike TapoutT |
| 17:52.04 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking TapoutT to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 17:52.30 | rahul | TapoutT: do you always ignore the release notes of major upgrades you do? |
| 17:52.38 | rahul | hrm |
| 17:52.55 | rahul | !penixstrike mIRC |
| 17:52.55 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking mIRC to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:53.09 | Supaplex|roaming | !nuke mirc.exe |
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| 17:53.16 | Supaplex|roaming | woops. |
| 17:53.25 | SpeedyG | agressive fellows.. |
| 17:54.12 | Wulf_ | !kill itself |
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| 17:55.08 | Supaplex|roaming | oh !dpkg -r foo is fun to. |
| 17:55.48 | rahul | no ! |
| 17:56.11 | Wulf_ | !dpkg -r Supaplex|roaming |
| 17:56.23 | rahul | dpkg -r Supaplex|roaming |
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| 17:57.05 | Supaplex|roaming | whew, rahul was one lousy host to be installed for ;) |
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| 17:58.01 | rahul | heh |
| 17:58.12 | rahul | serves you right! |
| 17:58.45 | harpal | how to know processor family? I would like to compile kernel so I would like to select that? |
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| 17:59.15 | Solet | is there a way to make a command run by cron do so in a specific screen so that the out put can be reviewed easily? |
| 17:59.16 | Supaplex|roaming | harpal: cat /proc/cpuinfo for some clues. |
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| 18:00.40 | harpal | Supaplex|roaming: how to know that is it 686 or 486 ? |
| 18:00.57 | harpal | I have processor family as 6 so Is it 686? |
| 18:01.04 | themill_ | Solet: just type the command at the command prompt...? Not sure what you're after, cron will email you any errors automatically. |
| 18:01.06 | dotCOMmie | Solet: why not just > ? |
| 18:01.06 | rahul | harpal: what processor did you buy? |
| 18:01.07 | PietroGiovanni | hi. i moved my linux hard drive between computers and network is not configured. can anyone help? |
| 18:01.09 | Supaplex|roaming | harpal: show us what you see http://rafb.net/paste |
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| 18:02.09 | harpal | http://rafb.net/p/WZLIrG11.html |
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| 18:02.35 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: try removing /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 18:02.48 | Supaplex|roaming | PietroGiovanni: run ifconfig -a if you see the nic, man 5 interfaces, if not, load the correct driver/module and try again |
| 18:02.51 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: probably it's assigning the network card to eth1 or something because it doesn't have the same MAC as before |
| 18:03.15 | PietroGiovanni | Supaplex|roaming already ran ifconfig -a and nothing happened |
| 18:03.26 | PietroGiovanni | \amethyst it is assingning the net to eth1 |
| 18:03.35 | dotCOMmie | PietroGiovanni: install driver. |
| 18:03.38 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: you want it to be eth1? |
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| 18:03.48 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: do you see the interface listed when you run ifconfig? |
| 18:03.55 | LinuxBlues | PietroGiovanni, just run dpkg-reconfigure -a |
| 18:03.58 | harpal | Supaplex|roaming: have you seen paste? |
| 18:04.14 | Supaplex|roaming | harpal: yes. |
| 18:04.28 | PietroGiovanni | \amethyst i have no problems with it being eth-whatever |
| 18:04.38 | snowbird | 1 gig per dial up is 24 hours |
| 18:04.49 | Supaplex|roaming | harpal: based on the flags, it appears to be 686 |
| 18:04.53 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: what does /etc/network/interfaces refer to? |
| 18:05.05 | harpal | thanx a lot |
| 18:05.07 | PietroGiovanni | actually nothing... just loopback |
| 18:05.21 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: then you need to load the right module first |
| 18:05.23 | \amethyst | PietroGiovanni: did you use network-manager or something before? |
| 18:05.29 | PietroGiovanni | no |
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| 18:06.04 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: paste lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to see what module to modprobe for that card |
| 18:06.24 | Supaplex|roaming | harpal: I'm not really sure what the cpu family is about, but the flags are significant. My procinfo is on http://pyroclastic.daxal.com/specs.html |
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| 18:07.22 | LinuxBlues | harpal, yes it is an i686, check http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#Esther_C5J_.28Via_C7.29 |
| 18:07.51 | xinming | How do I use the kernel from stable, and all other softwares are from testing? |
| 18:07.57 | PietroGiovanni | themill_ i think its a via network card |
| 18:08.10 | SamuraiDio | what package has the mppdec and mppenc (to decode and encode musepack audio files)? |
| 18:08.13 | xinming | hmm, For now, every time I try to apt-get dist-upgrade, It will install the kernel which is 2.6.21 |
| 18:08.23 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: what module did that site say you should use? |
| 18:08.28 | xinming | But I want to use the one from stable. |
| 18:08.35 | PietroGiovanni | themill_ didnt check |
| 18:08.43 | PietroGiovanni | one second and ill check |
| 18:08.59 | Supaplex|roaming | xinming: you still select the one you want at boottime. |
| 18:09.37 | xinming | Supaplex|roaming: But is there a way to keep it from upgrading? |
| 18:09.51 | xinming | Supaplex|roaming: I don't want it to upgrade again and again. >_< |
| 18:09.54 | xinming | Oh, hold on. |
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| 18:09.55 | xinming | bbl |
| 18:10.15 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell xinming -about pinning |
| 18:10.51 | adv4cate | using sid's pan, there's no "server" or "filter" menus...? ? ? |
| 18:11.19 | Supaplex|roaming | pan? |
| 18:11.29 | harpal | how to make initrdimage using initramfs? |
| 18:11.32 | \amethyst | Supaplex|roaming: it's a newsreader |
| 18:11.38 | adv4cate | a newsreader. it's capable of multiple servers and the current active server is usually selected from a menu. |
| 18:11.48 | adv4cate | but there's no "server" menu on this edition of pan. |
| 18:12.07 | adv4cate | and I'm not seeing anything in the preferences or config files about hiding it. |
| 18:12.43 | adv4cate | so I'm left with one big "what the heck?" |
| 18:13.23 | \amethyst | adv4cate: it's a completely new version of pan |
| 18:13.30 | themill_ | !tell UncleD about away |
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| 18:14.04 | CalJohn | is there a Free program about that will read a word out load? (ie "program 'Hello, World!'") |
| 18:14.12 | themill_ | festival |
| 18:14.40 | Wulf_ | CalJohn: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp, but you might have to wait a little bit |
| 18:14.51 | CalJohn | Wulf_: :p |
| 18:15.03 | adv4cate | \amethyst: which tells me what? =) I can add multiple servers but I can't choose between them? |
| 18:15.17 | CalJohn | themill_: assuming you were talking to me. |
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| 18:15.23 | Wulf_ | CalJohn: he was |
| 18:15.39 | UncleD | hm |
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| 18:17.11 | PietroGiovanni | themill_ done with the lspci -n |
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| 18:18.18 | PietroGiovanni | themill_ none of the options given looks like a network card |
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| 18:19.56 | \amethyst | adv4cate: on the the changes in the rewrite was "multiserver support", e.g. downloading the same message in parallel chunks from two different servers |
| 18:20.12 | \amethyst | adv4cate: so it might not be possible to pick a single server anymore |
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| 18:20.41 | adv4cate | \amethyst: I'm not interested in downloading the same message from multiple servers. I'm interested in switching between servers. |
| 18:21.05 | \amethyst | adv4cate: perhaps upstream could help |
| 18:21.14 | adv4cate | \amethyst: screenshots at rebelbase.org show what I remember: a menu called "Servers". Pan 0.129 doesn't have it. |
| 18:22.50 | kenjy | guys where are the mysql db storage directory? |
| 18:22.53 | \amethyst | adv4cate: the screenshots seem to be of the old version |
| 18:22.55 | kenjy | where is* |
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| 18:24.00 | kenjy | guys where is the mysql db storage directory? |
| 18:24.13 | Wulf_ | kenjy: /var/lib/mysql |
| 18:24.17 | c0rnd0g | hi Wulf_ |
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| 18:24.31 | Wulf_ | nickometer c0rnd0g |
| 18:24.40 | adv4cate | \amethyst: say what? http://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/ the first one is of 0.13.1, hardly old, and multiple servers have been featured in pan for years. |
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| 18:25.02 | Wulf_ | !nickometer c0rnd0g |
| 18:25.03 | dpkg | 'c0rnd0g' is 98.520% lame, wulf_ |
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| 18:25.22 | \amethyst | adv4cate: 0.14.2 was the last release of the old branch, and it came out in 2003 |
| 18:25.28 | adv4cate | http://pan.rebelbase.com/screenshots/screenshot.png "file edit view filter go servers newsgroups" ... |
| 18:25.48 | prahal_ | ricky, what do you use to connect to the server ? nxdesktop and nxviewer are missing from the 3.0.0 release |
| 18:26.05 | jelly | abrotman: ping |
| 18:26.18 | adv4cate | well, whatever, there's something obviously wrong with the maintained sid package. I'll just build my own with --prefix=$HOME |
| 18:26.41 | \amethyst | adv4cate: it's not sid... it's that the Pan people completely rewrote it and changed a lot of things |
| 18:27.00 | \amethyst | adv4cate: it kind of is sid, in that sid is using the new version but etch is using the old version |
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| 18:29.42 | adv4cate | I'll be _highly_ surprised if there's no "servers" menu. |
| 18:30.24 | \amethyst | adv4cate: if you get 'pan' it will have it |
| 18:30.29 | \amethyst | adv4cate: since that's the old version |
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| 18:30.38 | \amethyst | adv4cate: the new version is 'pan2' in the SVN repo |
| 18:30.54 | Solet | can nano display utf-8? |
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| 18:31.30 | adv4cate | \amethyst: I don't thq |
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| 18:32.55 | zmyrgel | Any suggestions, Debian fails to find any HD's. I'm using software-RAID adapter sil3124 but it should be supported by sata_sil24 driver |
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| 18:34.10 | thelostbutler | zmyrgel: stock kernel or your own kernel ? |
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| 18:35.02 | ville_ | where can I download ALSA drivers? |
| 18:35.17 | ville_ | I have fucking AC97 and it didn't work out of the box |
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| 18:35.38 | adv4cate | ville_: I was going to help but your choice of language has turned me away |
| 18:35.41 | snowbird | ville_, run also config? |
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| 18:36.02 | thelostbutler | viller: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 18:36.20 | viller | snowbird: alsaconfig? |
| 18:36.29 | K`zan | Hi folks, where does one set the clock to be local rather than UTC? |
| 18:36.35 | snowbird | yeah its thing u run in coamnd |
| 18:36.48 | \amethyst | K`zan: /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:37.22 | K`zan | \amethyst: Thank you! |
| 18:37.24 | snowbird | viller, alsa-conf as root shell |
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| 18:37.42 | SamuraiDio | what do i need to decompress musepack files? |
| 18:37.49 | viller | snowbird: not found |
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| 18:37.59 | snowbird | darn what distro |
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| 18:38.48 | viller | debian etch |
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| 18:39.07 | thelostbutler | K`zan: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata also works |
| 18:39.11 | viller | I used lenny but it had so many problems. I turned to etch but now my sound doesn't work! |
| 18:39.17 | snowbird | alsaconf try this |
| 18:39.36 | zmyrgel | thelostbutler: When booting the Etch installer |
| 18:39.39 | snowbird | alsactl store should save it |
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| 18:39.59 | zmyrgel | so it's the default kernel |
| 18:40.03 | viller | snowbird: thanks it's doing something now |
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| 18:40.13 | K`zan | \amethyst: Interesting UTC=no but the time is set to UTC... Any attempt at setting it via ntpdate or rdate just hangs. |
| 18:40.27 | snowbird | rember to save after |
| 18:41.15 | viller | save? |
| 18:41.17 | viller | how |
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| 18:41.25 | thelostbutler | zmyrgel: oh, then i dunno, what could be the possible reason. you can try to switch consoles and then do lsmod to see if the right module is loaded i guess |
| 18:41.36 | snowbird | alsactl store save alsoa settings |
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| 18:42.06 | snowbird | see u type alsactl store |
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| 18:42.30 | ALVAN | hi all |
| 18:42.35 | viller | thanks again snowbird |
| 18:42.39 | mikygee | hello, I have an account on a server but when I ssh log in I have to watch the server banner. Is there a way to get rid of the banner when I log in ? |
| 18:42.39 | ALVAN | someone is using boxbackup here ? |
| 18:42.57 | ALVAN | mikygee, /etc/motd |
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| 18:44.14 | JoeBlakesley | hi, I have a screensaver problem |
| 18:44.21 | K`zan | thelostbutler: Thanks, everything looks right there, lemme root around in KDE, I think something is hosed with that. Maybe re-install KDE, dunno yet. |
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| 18:44.27 | mikygee | ALVAN yes but I'm not root |
| 18:44.52 | JoeBlakesley | When I switch to my X session, I can move the pointer around but everything is black |
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| 18:45.03 | snowbird | viller, rock and roll? |
| 18:45.08 | JoeBlakesley | killing the screensave didn't work and i haven't saved my work |
| 18:45.15 | ALVAN | mikefoo, well wrong for you then :) |
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| 18:46.10 | \amethyst | JoeBlakesley: what process did you kill exactly? |
| 18:46.14 | LinuxBlues | JoeBlakesley, what screensaver are you using, and what DE? |
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| 18:46.46 | JoeBlakesley | GNOME with the default black powersaving screensaver |
| 18:46.48 | damog | how can i tail and grep things not matching foo and bar? tail -f file | grep -v 'foo' | grep -v 'bar' doesn't seem to work |
| 18:46.52 | DustyDingo | is there a tool to get files from a formated fat32 partition back? |
| 18:47.12 | LinuxBlues | JoeBlakesley, do you have lock feature enabled? |
| 18:47.14 | \amethyst | JoeBlakesley: does ctrl-alt-kp* kill it? |
| 18:47.23 | JoeBlakesley | no |
| 18:47.30 | JoeBlakesley | no lock |
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| 18:47.43 | LinuxBlues | hmmm |
| 18:47.55 | JoeBlakesley | kp? |
| 18:48.37 | JoeBlakesley | I can click on stuff in the GUI and move windows etc with the mouse; just cvan't see them |
| 18:48.38 | \amethyst | JoeBlakesley: * on the keypad |
| 18:48.46 | JoeBlakesley | aah |
| 18:49.07 | K`zan | :q |
| 18:49.15 | JoeBlakesley | no luck |
| 18:49.44 | \amethyst | JoeBlakesley: how did you kill it? |
| 18:49.47 | JoeBlakesley | this has happened twice before too |
| 18:50.03 | LinuxBlues | JoeBlakesley, ctrl+alt+F1 and login, and run cat .xsession-errors |
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| 18:50.30 | JoeBlakesley | ok |
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| 18:50.56 | K`zan | Anyone have an idea on this: {/etc} $ ntpdate<crlf>30 Aug 11:50:26 ntpdate[4835]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 18:51.06 | JoeBlakesley | pidof gnome-screensaver; kill [pid] |
| 18:51.38 | K`zan | Have the current list and I get the same thing from the default debian sites as well as the recommended ones from the ntp site :-( |
| 18:51.52 | adv4cate | K`zan: that message may result if your firewall is blocking ntp connections. |
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| 18:52.35 | adv4cate | K`zan: Ensure that you allow new incoming connections on udp port 123 |
| 18:52.59 | LinuxBlues | K`zan, don't care, configure /etc/default/ntpdate it should work at the next reboot |
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| 18:53.11 | JoeBlakesley | nothing relevant in .xsession-errors |
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| 18:53.22 | LinuxBlues | adv4cate, he is trying to adjust time, not to establish a ntp server, I presume |
| 18:53.31 | JoeBlakesley | lots of errors about ALSA |
| 18:53.51 | zmyrgel | thelostbutler: Yeah, I checked and the correct module is loaded... |
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| 18:54.01 | JoeBlakesley | because i disabled my onboard sound so i didn't have two sound cards as it was confusing |
| 18:54.08 | jmalicki | linuxblues: it's udp |
| 18:54.10 | JoeBlakesley | and now ALSA cant use either |
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| 18:54.22 | jmalicki | linuxblues: thus connectionless |
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| 18:54.49 | LinuxBlues | hmmm, I see |
| 18:54.52 | JoeBlakesley | is there a way to make it search for soundcards again as it does on install? |
| 18:54.58 | JoeBlakesley | while i'm here |
| 18:55.05 | snowbird | yeah alsa conf |
| 18:55.05 | Zenom | anyone else hving problems doing an apt-get ? |
| 18:55.05 | LinuxBlues | JoeBlakesley, alsaconf |
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| 18:55.23 | JoeBlakesley | hmm...think i tried that |
| 18:55.31 | DustyDingo | hm, is testdisk the best methode to get data from a formated fat32 partition back? |
| 18:55.31 | JoeBlakesley | audacity works but nothing else |
| 18:55.43 | LinuxBlues | alsamixer then |
| 18:55.46 | JoeBlakesley | (with all possible channels) |
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| 18:56.15 | LinuxBlues | and tab and shut down the one you don't want (by now) |
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| 18:56.47 | abrotman | jelly: hi! |
| 18:57.04 | JoeBlakesley | k thanks |
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| 18:58.35 | Solet | how can i change my system clock to expect my hwclock to be in utc? |
| 18:58.49 | azeem | Solet: edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 18:59.07 | K`zan | LinuxBlues: Just installed it, that explains it - will reboot. Much Thanks! |
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| 19:00.30 | zmyrgel | Sil3124 should be PCI-X 32/64-bit card but backwards compatible to plain PCI so can I try to connect it to PCI-X slot even it's shorter than the slot itself? |
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| 19:00.55 | snowbird | nope |
| 19:01.09 | snowbird | nevor heard that |
| 19:01.20 | Solet | azeem: 'UTC=yes' means it expects hwclock to be utc right? |
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| 19:01.32 | LinuxBlues | K`zan, just run ntpdate 130.206.3.166 (to check it) |
| 19:01.45 | LinuxBlues | it's located in Spain btw |
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| 19:02.17 | azeem | snowbird: if you haven't heard of it, there's no need to mention it |
| 19:02.29 | abrotman | zmyrgel: ask #hardware |
| 19:02.38 | zmyrgel | alright |
| 19:02.42 | azeem | Solet: yes, AFAIK |
| 19:02.54 | Solet | hmmm |
| 19:03.11 | jelly | abrotman: hey, do you have multiple domains in your mailman? |
| 19:03.14 | Solet | hwclock and system clock are the same tho, and i cant get them to differ |
| 19:03.23 | abrotman | jelly: ah .. don't think so |
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| 19:03.33 | Solet | guess i'll reboot the machine when i get home and set sysclock in bios and see what it does from there |
| 19:03.37 | abrotman | jelly: but blah@domain.com forwards to blah2@lists.domain.com |
| 19:04.12 | jelly | abrotman: yah, acceptable_aliases is meant exactly for that |
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| 19:04.56 | abrotman | jelly: ah okay .. |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | jelly: can you make the yankees lose now ? |
| 19:05.17 | jelly | abrotman: it accept regexps, so escape the dots (in the unlikely event that a spammer sends to blah@domainxcom |
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| 19:06.08 | jelly | abrotman: dunno, what's the current score? Do they have other mentalists on their side? |
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| 19:06.57 | jelly | abrotman: you can deposit $200 on my moneybookers accuont but I won't promise anything :-D |
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| 19:08.11 | cmacis | thank you #debian. I can see the page with windows media within it now! |
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| 19:10.03 | JoeBlakesley | hmm..now the cursor doesn't seem to be changing in X when I scroll over stuff |
| 19:10.34 | Solet | can i make a program start in a particular screen from outside that screen? |
| 19:10.47 | JoeBlakesley | nothing in bugs.debian.org except sthg to do with graphics drivers that there is chance might be related |
| 19:11.25 | azeem | Solet: are you talking about a desktop environment, and different workspaces? |
| 19:11.39 | Solet | no i'm talking about a server and the program `screen' |
| 19:12.00 | azeem | ah |
| 19:12.02 | azeem | no idea then |
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| 19:12.19 | Frostshoc | hello |
| 19:12.33 | Frostshoc | how do i restart the debian-install from a mounted netinst iso? |
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| 19:13.12 | azeem | Frostshoc: when/why/where did you put it on hold? |
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| 19:13.38 | Solet | i'm curious on the `how' |
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| 19:14.31 | Frostshoc | azeem: i did everything that didnt need an internet connection |
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| 19:15.01 | Frostshoc | azeem: so my sources.list didnt update etc.. but how do i restart the configuration tool? |
| 19:15.20 | azeem | Frostshoc: you restarted the installation? |
| 19:15.25 | Solet | frostshoc: `aptitude update' |
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| 19:16.40 | azeem | Frostshoc: ok, so you went half-way through the installation, then turned off the computer? |
| 19:16.50 | Frostshoc | hmm.. seems like im missing the "deb" command.. whats the magic apt-get install to install it? |
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| 19:17.08 | LinuxBlues | dpkg-reconfigure -a should be an option |
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| 19:17.26 | Frostshoc | azeem: no.. i had to skipp the "connect to security.debian..." part .. did everything else.. i have the computer booted but it didnt setup the deb command or the sources.list |
| 19:17.45 | azeem | there's no deb command |
| 19:17.48 | \amethyst | Solet: does screen -X screen programname do what you want? |
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| 19:18.08 | Favorit | hi |
| 19:18.15 | Solet | \amethyst where the second 'sceen' would be a number? |
| 19:18.27 | \amethyst | Solet: no, the word screen |
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| 19:18.52 | Solet | i'll try it, but how would i pick which screen it goes in? |
| 19:19.00 | \amethyst | Solet: -S <num> at the beginning |
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| 19:19.09 | Solet | ok |
| 19:19.10 | Favorit | guys, a question. I have 64-bit kernel, 32-bit userland. when i try to run 64-bit binaries, they seem to be unable to find needed libs, no matter what I do, LD_LIBRARY_PATH & LD_SO_PRELOAD do not help. any ideas? |
| 19:19.19 | \amethyst | Solet: screen -S 6799 -X screen vi |
| 19:19.25 | Solet | also... stupid question i nkow... but how do i get out of screen with out terminating the screen session? |
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| 19:19.36 | \amethyst | Solet: ctrl-a d for detach |
| 19:19.45 | Favorit | when i run it directly via ld-2.3.6.so, gethostbyname fails to function properly |
| 19:19.53 | Solet | 6799? why so high? |
| 19:20.01 | \amethyst | Solet: it's the PID |
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| 19:20.14 | jpin | in #python |
| 19:20.18 | zinx | Favorit: that setup isn't supported |
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| 19:20.37 | tnks | We've got some scripts that do remote commands with ssh, but we're running into issues with environment variables. Is it possible to make ssh invoke a shell in interactive mode? |
| 19:20.40 | Favorit | zinx: but in theory it should work, no? :) |
| 19:20.41 | zinx | Favorit: you need 64-bit userland to run 64-bit applications |
| 19:20.51 | zinx | Favorit: sure, but not in 32-bit debian. |
| 19:20.51 | \amethyst | Solet: screen -ls to get a list of session numbers |
| 19:20.57 | azeem | Favorit: a couple of libraries are biarch |
| 19:21.08 | zinx | Favorit: only 64-bit debian has support for both 32-bit and 64-bit |
| 19:21.10 | tnks | we can do it with `ssh host sh -l -c 'command'` instead of `ssh host command` |
| 19:21.23 | tnks | but it seemed kind of hacky. |
| 19:21.24 | zinx | Favorit: that's not to say it's impossible.. that's just the way it is in Debian. |
| 19:21.30 | jmalicki | zinx: you can run a 64-bit statically linked binary w/o a 64bit userland |
| 19:21.41 | \amethyst | zinx: what's lib6-amd64 about? |
| 19:21.44 | Favorit | yeah, statically linked... :P |
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| 19:21.47 | \amethyst | err, libc6-amd64 |
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| 19:22.07 | zinx | \amethyst: no idea, i didn't know that existed in debian :P: |
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| 19:22.21 | jmalicki | amethyst: part of a 64bit userland |
| 19:22.24 | xingu | jmalicki: providing that statically linked binary doesn't get all clever and dlopen() stuff. |
| 19:22.39 | jmalicki | xingu: well, that has problems even for normal 32bit applications. |
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| 19:22.48 | Favorit | \amethyst: I kinda copied needed libs locally, but... still doesn't work dammit :) been bashing my head against keyboard for a couple of hours now |
| 19:22.53 | tnks | I guess another variation of the question is "is it possible to set environment variables system-wide for non-interactive shells"? |
| 19:22.54 | zinx | Favorit: well, seems i was wrong.. install the 64-bit userland and you should able to run 64-bit bins |
| 19:23.02 | jmalicki | xingu: since you tend to have libc both statically and dynamically linked in, and shit gets fucked up |
| 19:23.26 | jmalicki | tnks: "kind of" |
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| 19:23.45 | tnks | jmalicki: I'm open to what you know. |
| 19:23.49 | jmalicki | tnks: you mean for already-running processes, or new ones? |
| 19:23.56 | tnks | jmalicki: new ones. |
| 19:24.01 | mutante | how would you get all manpages of lets say all packages in stable installed on a box, without installing all the packages themselves of course, i just want all manpages ,where i cant find a good place to download, and then how to install them manually so they actually open systemwide with the "man" command. Its for a man2html type of thing. It would be nice if there was simply a package for this |
| 19:24.31 | jmalicki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:24.38 | cmacis | aren't all the standard man pages online already? |
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| 19:24.44 | jmalicki | sorry |
| 19:25.14 | \amethyst | mutante: maybe get a copy of the archive and look for manpages in each package? |
| 19:25.14 | mutante | cmacis: i want to include them in a mediawiki, and i have a Task extension there, then people can just <man>command</man> on a wiki page and its replaced with the manpage content |
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| 19:25.30 | Solet | \amethyst: didnt start anything |
| 19:25.45 | \amethyst | Solet: nothing happened in the session? |
| 19:25.51 | mutante | cmacis: eh "manpage extension" i meant to say of course |
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| 19:26.07 | exobyte_ | if have a webcam at /dev/video0, what type of file will I get if I cat dev to a file? Is it compressed with something? |
| 19:26.08 | tnks | jmalicki: I read that, but not sure how to best hook that in for remote execution. |
| 19:26.18 | Solet | \amethyst nothign at all |
| 19:26.19 | jmalicki | tnks: "remote execution"? |
| 19:26.31 | tnks | jmalicki: using "ssh" to remotely execute commands. |
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| 19:26.49 | LinuxBlues | cmacis, I think mutante isn't talking about the man-pages package, he talks about every package man page |
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| 19:27.20 | \amethyst | Solet: So you have a screen session open and you're doing (at another terminal or something) screen -S <session> -X screen <program> ? |
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| 19:27.40 | jmalicki | tnks: that's when things get interesting... does ssh not execute a login shell first to setup the environment? it's real lame if it doesn't |
| 19:27.45 | \amethyst | Solet: you're sure it's not going to the session you detached? |
| 19:27.52 | Solet | i am |
| 19:27.54 | tnks | jmalicki: doesn't appear to. |
| 19:27.57 | Solet | i have one multiscreen session |
| 19:27.59 | Solet | i detach |
| 19:28.08 | mutante | LinuxBlues: yes, the package "manpages" just includes sections 4,5 and 7 |
| 19:28.32 | \amethyst | jmalicki: ssh directly to the host should, but not if you have it run a command |
| 19:28.33 | Solet | i do screen -S 4177 -X screen vi |
| 19:28.45 | \amethyst | Solet: and when you reattach nothing's there? |
| 19:28.50 | Solet | then i go back into the screen session with screen -x, check my 3 open screens, and nothing has changed |
| 19:28.52 | tnks | jmalicki: I compared `ssh host sh -l -c 'export'` to `ssh host 'export'` |
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| 19:29.45 | LinuxBlues | mutante, manpages-es includes all of them... in spanish |
| 19:29.47 | azeem | \amethyst: did you successfully try that -X trick yourself? |
| 19:29.55 | \amethyst | azeem: yes |
| 19:30.00 | azeem | ok |
| 19:30.04 | mutante | LinuxBlues: oh, nice, but i would want manpages-en and manpages-de then |
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| 19:30.28 | \amethyst | Solet: hm... it should have opened a new screen |
| 19:30.35 | mutante | oh, -de actually exists, thats a start |
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| 19:31.09 | Solet | quick screen question: i now have multiple sessions detached, how do i pick which one to reattach |
| 19:31.26 | azeem | Solet: screen -ls, screen -r <number> |
| 19:31.27 | azeem | e.g. |
| 19:31.37 | mutante | LinuxBlues: that also sounds like just basic commands, e.g. 1 = User programs (e.g. ls, ln), not manpages from every debian package |
| 19:32.02 | mutante | Solet: or you can give it a name when starting it |
| 19:32.12 | cmacis | What tools and permissions do I need to get my ipod working under etch and kde? |
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| 19:33.18 | LinuxBlues | mutante, oh, I see, there isn't any option to install all man-pages afaik, I think a Gnome user doesn't need any KDE man page, so it's logic |
| 19:33.23 | mutante | cmacis: maybe you like this http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page |
| 19:33.59 | kestrelitc | what can i do to fix my monitor saying signal over range when gdm starts? |
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| 19:34.08 | cmacis | I don't want to install linux on my ipod, I just want to update it from my laptop which is running etch |
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| 19:34.30 | Solet | ok where // represents carrage return, this is what i just tried and it didnt work: screen - |
| 19:34.36 | Solet | crap... hit enter... |
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| 19:35.48 | Solet | screen -S test // ctrl+a d screen -S test -X screen vi // screen -r test // |
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| 19:36.17 | ruben | Hello, sometime seen youtube firefox crashes, any idea hot fix it? it is normal? |
| 19:36.17 | Solet | and i just had a terminal window no evidence of vi anywhere |
| 19:36.33 | \amethyst | Solet: ctrl-a n |
| 19:36.40 | mutante | Solet: do you maybe have different windows inside one screen ? |
| 19:36.44 | Solet | no other window |
| 19:36.45 | abrotman | ruben: it's flash .. that happens |
| 19:36.46 | cmacis | I can see my ipod in system:/media, but it says that a security policy is preventing me from mounting |
| 19:36.47 | LinuxBlues | kestrelitc, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove VertRefresh and HorizSync values |
| 19:36.59 | ruben | abrotman: so it's normal? |
| 19:37.01 | Solet | mutante... look at my exact command flow... i opened up a special single window screen session |
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| 19:37.07 | LinuxBlues | kestrelitc, comment them out |
| 19:37.29 | Solet | ctrl+a n -> "no other window" |
| 19:37.48 | \amethyst | Solet: hmm... -X screen foo is supposed to open another window... what version of screen? |
| 19:37.50 | mutante | Solet: sorry, shrug, maybe different windows inside one screen is the better way to do it anyways, over having multiple screens? |
| 19:37.56 | kestrelitc | ok, trying it |
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| 19:38.21 | Solet | 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06 |
| 19:38.23 | hunterp | is there a way to have selective screenshots? not just the entire screen? |
| 19:38.25 | abrotman | ruben: it's not "normal", but it happens |
| 19:38.38 | abrotman | ruben: you can check for a flash upgrade perhaps |
| 19:38.57 | LinuxBlues | hunterp, with gnome, just alt+PrintScreen |
| 19:39.15 | kestrelitc | LinuxBlues: VertRefresh and HorizSync aren't in xorg.conf |
| 19:39.15 | ruben | abrotman: ok :) |
| 19:39.34 | hunterp | LinuxBlues: any more selective, eg I can specify the area? |
| 19:40.01 | Solet | mutante: i only want one screen. i opened a second so i could test it on a single window screen |
| 19:40.04 | LinuxBlues | kestrelitc, hmmm, check out the values in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or add VertRefresh and HorizSync according to your monitor's manual |
| 19:40.11 | abrotman | hunterp: gimp can take a shot of just one applicaiton |
| 19:40.28 | LinuxBlues | hunterp, not afaik, sorry |
| 19:40.32 | mutante | Solet: sorry i was distracted and confused,, maybe try #screen too |
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| 19:40.54 | hunterp | LinuxBlues: in mac its possible. take a look. extremely useful |
| 19:41.02 | Solet | \amethyst: do you know how to make it open in a specific window of a screen? |
| 19:41.15 | abrotman | hunterp: also .. if you take one with gimp .. you can then crop it |
| 19:41.48 | hunterp | abrotman: its an overhead issue. too many clicks. |
| 19:42.20 | abrotman | hunterp: it is .. but it is possible |
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| 19:43.15 | \amethyst | Solet: screen -X eval 'select 1' 'exec vi' |
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| 19:43.47 | \amethyst | Solet: or just screen -X exec vi to use the current window |
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| 19:45.03 | pumpkin0 | i think i made a big misstake: cfdisk shows 4 primary partitions and a block Unusable. I geuss one primary has to be removed, transformed into logical and recreated as logical, right ? |
| 19:45.42 | Favorit | hah |
| 19:45.45 | Favorit | i got it to work |
| 19:45.49 | Favorit | was missing one library |
| 19:45.52 | Favorit | puuh |
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| 19:46.28 | gomenster_ | LinuxBlues: i chrooted in using another boot-up disk. I tried to run gdm and it said the X-server refused to start. Error message was "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 19:46.36 | Solet | \amethyst i've yet to get it to do anything to the session :( i'ma give up for now. it's not that huge of a deal |
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| 19:47.10 | gomenster_ | sorry, this is kestrelitc |
| 19:47.18 | osmosis | what is the difference between xen i386 and xen PAE ? |
| 19:47.46 | LinuxBlues | gomenster_, check out Section "Screen" in xorg.conf |
| 19:48.16 | LinuxBlues | something is wrong there |
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| 19:48.19 | abrotman | !pae |
| 19:48.19 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | osmosis: or read the descriptions |
| 19:49.46 | osmosis | http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/32-bit%2C_64-bit%2C_and_PAE%2C_oh_my%21?highlight=%28PAE%29 |
| 19:49.55 | osmosis | looks like PAE is for systems with > 4 GB RAM |
| 19:50.35 | h3sp4wn | With etch you have no choice but to use pae or your own kernels |
| 19:51.06 | h3sp4wn | (the kernel patches that were leached from redhat/fedora are now only supported by them with pae - hence Debian can only do likewise) |
| 19:51.31 | h3sp4wn | With etch *and xen |
| 19:51.35 | kestrelitc | LinuxBlues: would which port on my video card my monitor is plugged into have an impact on this? |
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| 19:52.26 | LinuxBlues | kestrelitc, really dunno, sorry |
| 19:52.57 | unlink | vim-latexsuite doesn't work. it simply does nothing |
| 19:53.12 | kestrelitc | ok, thanks for trying to help |
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| 19:57.24 | \amethyst | unlink: sid? |
| 19:57.37 | unlink | yes\ |
| 19:57.50 | \amethyst | unlink: do you want it enabled system-wide, or for one user? |
| 19:57.55 | unlink | system wide |
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| 19:58.30 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 19:58.46 | \amethyst | unlink: vim-addons -w install latex-suite |
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| 19:59.00 | claudio` | Can i get a list of all package installed a specified day? |
| 19:59.13 | claudio` | Better if with i can choose a time range . |
| 19:59.20 | \amethyst | claudio`: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 19:59.22 | claudio` | s/with// |
| 19:59.26 | claudio` | \amethyst: let me check |
| 19:59.38 | ribnitz | I have a tree of different projects I checked out of a cvs, is there a simple way to import that into an svn (or similar), without having to create all these projects? |
| 19:59.44 | claudio` | \amethyst: perfect, THX! |
| 20:00.05 | unlink | \amethyst: vim-addons? |
| 20:00.24 | \amethyst | unlink: there's a new debian policy for vim addons, and they're no longer enabled by default |
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| 20:00.51 | unlink | \amethyst: why doesn't vim-latexsuite depend on vim-addons? |
| 20:02.03 | \amethyst | unlink: because it hasn't been updated since the policy changes |
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| 20:02.07 | \amethyst | unlink: changed |
| 20:02.22 | unlink | \amethyst: thanks |
| 20:02.31 | \amethyst | unlink: bug 434903 |
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| 20:03.13 | Solet | \amethyst: i tried starting nano instead of vi and it worked |
| 20:03.57 | \amethyst | Solet: strange... but running vi by hand works? |
| 20:04.30 | \amethyst | Solet: see if you get an error message on the screen when you do the screen -X with vi |
| 20:04.31 | Solet | oddly enough... not anymore |
| 20:04.35 | Solet | it did earlier |
| 20:04.35 | \amethyst | Solet: aha |
| 20:04.39 | Solet | i didnt do anything to it |
| 20:04.47 | Solet | wtf -_- |
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| 20:04.59 | \amethyst | Solet: is /usr/bin/vi a link to /etc/alternatives/vi ? |
| 20:05.45 | Solet | no clue |
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| 20:06.05 | Solet | dont care tho... vi was pissing me off cause i had some vim.mini or some crap and it wasnt working.. so now i'm learning nano |
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| 20:06.40 | ribnitz | Solet: please dont start an editor war |
| 20:06.59 | et | yeah, better go to wikipedia and start an edit war |
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| 20:07.24 | Solet | rib: i had some ultra light version of vi that wasnt working right... i'm used to vi, i tried to apt-get install vi but the package doesnt exist apparently |
| 20:07.30 | yigal | i love vim |
| 20:07.36 | yigal | :) |
| 20:07.56 | ribnitz | Solet: its called vim, I think |
| 20:08.18 | jmalicki | solet: real men use emacs |
| 20:08.21 | Solet | how many versions of vi are there? |
| 20:08.24 | ribnitz | yigal: few things can beat it for editing text files.. |
| 20:08.25 | Supaplex|roaming | there's a few different flavors of vi |
| 20:08.27 | jmalicki | solet: 821908 |
| 20:08.40 | yigal | Solet: vim with compatible mode == vi |
| 20:08.41 | Solet | ... |
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| 20:09.18 | ribnitz | Though I recently switch to some editor which is integrated in the IDE: |
| 20:09.27 | yigal | ribnitz: i am a professional scientist and writing papers using latex-suite is very handy, also programming is wonderful in vim. |
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| 20:10.05 | ribnitz | yigal: I use Eclipse for programming, and currently kile for writing papers. |
| 20:11.03 | ribnitz | yigal: I use vim for the quick-and-dirty edit before checkin, or for editing ant scripts |
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| 20:11.17 | yigal | does anyone know how to make a custom debian distribution easily? I have looked at Morphix, CDD etc. but I am not sure which way to make an easy personal live cd that has what I want and not much more. Any suggestions would be nice. |
| 20:11.26 | \amethyst | Solet: vim (a number of versions: vim-tiny, vim-basic, vim-gnome, vim-perl, vim-full, etc), nvi, and elvis are the most popular ones |
| 20:11.38 | yigal | ribnitz: to each their own, its GNU/Linux :) |
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| 20:11.52 | \amethyst | Solet: and vile |
| 20:12.06 | yigal | Solet: elvis is not like vi |
| 20:12.09 | ribnitz | yigal: there was some package called installcd or somesunch.. |
| 20:12.12 | Solet | at some point i'll figure out how to get the vim i am used to, and install it, for now nano works... it's an editor... not that big a deal |
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| 20:12.30 | claudio` | Can i erase all the existing informations of all removed packages? Configuration files, empty directories, etc.? |
| 20:12.43 | yigal | Solet: install vim-basic this should be enough, but not vim-tiny as this isn't usually |
| 20:12.48 | ribnitz | claudio`: usually yes. |
| 20:12.54 | claudio` | ribnitz: how? |
| 20:13.07 | cahoot | yigal, http://packages.debian.org/testing/misc/live-helper |
| 20:13.10 | ribnitz | claudio`: rm, apt-get --purge remove |
| 20:13.32 | yigal | cahoot: I will check it out, you have been satisfied with it? |
| 20:13.36 | claudio` | ribnitz: but it don't seems to works with already removed packages. |
| 20:13.53 | \amethyst | claudio`: aptitude purge |
| 20:13.55 | Solet | \amethyst: 2 questions, i tried to do the eval 'screen 1' 'exec nano' thing, and it opened a new window with nano instead of opening it in window 1 |
| 20:14.03 | Solet | second question, how do i close a window? |
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| 20:14.27 | claudio` | \amethyst: it seems like apt-get --purge remove. |
| 20:14.30 | ribnitz | Solet: :q in the resp. buffer |
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| 20:14.41 | snowbird | i like kedit |
| 20:14.49 | Solet | rib: where? |
| 20:14.53 | \amethyst | Solet: Note that if you have one window, it's number 0 not 1 |
| 20:14.55 | yigal | snowbird: its simple like gedit |
| 20:14.58 | tjostolf | yigal: bootcd |
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| 20:15.27 | yigal | tjostolf: i will ask you the same question cahoot do you personally like the results? |
| 20:15.30 | Solet | \amethyst yes, i tried to put it in window 1, i have 3 windows, 0 1 and 2, now i have a 4th where it opened nano |
| 20:15.45 | tjostolf | yigal: no |
| 20:15.49 | \amethyst | Solet: oh, should be eval 'select 1' 'exec nano' |
| 20:16.23 | yigal | tjostolf: ok, doesn't help me. i know of these packages, the problem is finding one people are using and are happy with, and finding out why they are happy with it. |
| 20:16.32 | \amethyst | Solet: to kill a window, either end whatever program is using it, or do ctrl-a k |
| 20:16.37 | yigal | s/one/one package |
| 20:17.00 | yigal | Solet: ah, you are learning to use screen - great program |
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| 20:17.36 | Solet | yigal: i've used it before, just never very extensivly |
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| 20:18.10 | yigal | well as usual i have to answer my own questions - i think i like it this way more anyways. |
| 20:18.50 | atoponce | can i go from sid to testing? or would that break stuff? |
| 20:19.15 | Eulex | !downgrade |
| 20:19.15 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 20:19.21 | Solet | screen -S 4177 -X eval 'screen 0' 'exec nano' opens a new window with nano |
| 20:19.35 | atoponce | Eulex: good enough. thank you |
| 20:20.04 | \amethyst | Solet: screen -S 4177 -X eval 'select 0' 'exec nano' |
| 20:20.07 | yigal | atoponce: you can change apt repos to testing and then only use testing upgrades. Is something broken? |
| 20:20.12 | Solet | oooh |
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| 20:20.15 | \amethyst | Solet: select selects an existing window, screen opens a new one |
| 20:20.46 | atoponce | yigal: no. just thinking. i'm on sid now, but was on testing, and was just wondering what it would take to get back if needed, rather than a new install |
| 20:21.12 | yigal | atoponce: not too easy, I actually just made the switch by reinstall |
| 20:21.24 | juso | Anyone know where I would put startup options for mysql, what file would I edit? |
| 20:21.41 | unlink | /etc/default/mysql likely |
| 20:21.42 | atoponce | yigal: yeah. i think i'll just stick with sid. i can handle breakage. :) |
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| 20:22.21 | yigal | atoponce: its nice to have the latest greatest, and if its a pretty minimal system breakage is not so common |
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| 20:22.55 | atoponce | i do get breakage, but nothing i can't handle |
| 20:23.16 | atoponce | for example, sometimes the gdm won't start on boot |
| 20:23.17 | Solet | is it possible to rename a screen session instead of having it be tty.host? |
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| 20:23.25 | atoponce | still looking into that one, actually |
| 20:23.40 | juso | unlink: nope not there.. |
| 20:24.11 | yigal | atoponce: why use gdm, just use startx |
| 20:24.14 | \amethyst | Solet: from inside screen, or from the command line? |
| 20:24.15 | unlink | oh |
| 20:24.27 | unlink | yigal: it's more convenient and prettier of course |
| 20:24.35 | \amethyst | Solet: ctrl-a : sessionname newname |
| 20:24.46 | atoponce | yigal: either or. why it's not starting on boot though, is curious |
| 20:24.53 | atoponce | yigal: at least X anyway |
| 20:24.57 | \amethyst | Solet: from the command-line, screen -X sessionname newname |
| 20:25.01 | atoponce | it's intermittant |
| 20:25.02 | yigal | unlink: to be honest I just don't want to have to install gconf |
| 20:25.21 | yigal | atoponce: is it in the runlevel? |
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| 20:25.24 | juso | Anyone know where I would put startup options for mysql, what file would I edit? |
| 20:25.26 | Solet | where sessionname is 'sessionname' or the sessions's name? |
| 20:25.31 | atoponce | yigal: i can look |
| 20:25.37 | yigal | atoponce: probably a good place |
| 20:25.45 | \amethyst | Solet: literal 'sessionname' |
| 20:25.45 | Solet | ah 'sessionname' |
| 20:26.20 | Solet | (i should start trying things in an attempt to not look like a moron) |
| 20:26.29 | snowbird | i am room moron |
| 20:26.42 | snowbird | idout> here |
| 20:27.07 | h3sp4wn | atoponce: You can just add testing to sources.list and set apt to prefer testing and then try to switch over time |
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| 20:27.48 | yigal | h3sp4wn: is that better than changing sid repos to lenny ? |
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| 20:28.36 | h3sp4wn | yigal: Well then for the time during the transition you won't have unmet dependancies |
| 20:29.02 | h3sp4wn | once enough time has passed you can just remove the sid repositories |
| 20:29.08 | yigal | h3sp4wn: the unmet dependencies would probably be to downgrade? |
| 20:29.24 | yigal | h3sp4wn: s/be/lead |
| 20:29.34 | juso | Anyone at all know where I put startup options for mysql on debian? |
| 20:29.35 | yigal | h3sp4wn: but you are probably right |
| 20:29.52 | h3sp4wn | !downgrade |
| 20:29.52 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 20:30.27 | yigal | h3sp4wn: downgrade of sid -> lenny etc. is not possible, downgrading a package or a few packages is possible |
| 20:30.36 | SkareCrow | is it just me or does the etch install hang out on 33% during formatting and just finishes at 33%... Starts at 33% and finishes at 33% |
| 20:30.37 | \amethyst | depending on the package |
| 20:30.46 | SkareCrow | it does it every time i install Debian |
| 20:31.06 | petemc | i see that on some boxes |
| 20:31.16 | petemc | works, tho |
| 20:31.22 | SkareCrow | yea, it works but its annoying |
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| 20:31.41 | SkareCrow | would like to know where my format is :) |
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| 20:33.18 | ram2 | what is the best tool to move a partition ? |
| 20:33.32 | wintix | a magnet. |
| 20:33.34 | SkareCrow | hmm, when you are installing software in the installer is it suppose to start seting up grub? |
| 20:33.39 | callitlote | lol |
| 20:33.40 | Supaplex|roaming | a spare drive ;) |
| 20:33.44 | SkareCrow | right after you choose what packages you want |
| 20:34.26 | SkareCrow | cause it was downloading packages in the background and then grub popped up and gave me some errors and wouldnt install |
| 20:34.47 | vanguard | ram2: what type of partition? ext3? |
| 20:35.13 | ram2 | FAT32 recover partition, size 4GB, to be moved by 1GB. |
| 20:35.39 | vanguard | then, I'd say 'parted' |
| 20:36.14 | vanguard | or Gparted. If you need a GUI. |
| 20:36.25 | ram2 | vanguard: is it "save" to use or is it a bit more experimental ? |
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| 20:36.50 | Supaplex|roaming | ram2: it's reasonably safe |
| 20:36.57 | vanguard | i've used it a lot, and never suffered any data loss. |
| 20:37.21 | ram2 | Supaplex|roaming, vanguard: thanks. reading the man-page ... |
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| 20:38.16 | vanguard | but you'd better defragment the partition before resizing and/or moving it. |
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| 20:39.05 | ram2 | vanguard: why should i defragment it for a simple move ? I could dd it over if i had the space... |
| 20:40.03 | SkareCrow | Synergy + XGl + Beryl == Fun ;) |
| 20:40.14 | Supaplex|roaming | hummm |
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| 20:40.58 | SkareCrow | shit |
| 20:41.03 | vanguard | you may be right. I don't know whether it's useful or not, but I defragmented my FAT32 partition when I had one. |
| 20:41.08 | \amethyst | hmm... it would be nice if dd provided an option to do the copy backwards |
| 20:41.11 | SkareCrow | got a segfault in apt-get |
| 20:41.18 | Supaplex|roaming | SkareCrow: request denied ;) |
| 20:41.40 | SkareCrow | request denied? |
| 20:41.44 | SkareCrow | on ftp.debian.org |
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| 20:42.09 | Supaplex|roaming | SkareCrow: request denied: 20:41 < SkareCrow> shit |
| 20:42.20 | Supaplex|roaming | ;) |
| 20:42.25 | Supaplex|roaming | but nm anyway. |
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| 20:43.20 | ram2 | \amethyst: that is not the problem, i move up, not down. but i would have to move w/o any partition bounds and that scares me... |
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| 20:43.37 | \amethyst | ram2: if you're moving up, you'd want to dd backwards |
| 20:43.42 | \amethyst | ram2: so that you don |
| 20:43.55 | \amethyst | ram2: so that you don't overwrite something before you've read it |
| 20:44.02 | Supaplex|roaming | SkareCrow: try apt-cache clean and try again |
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| 20:44.33 | ram2 | \amethyst: i read at 120GB and write at 119GB, then i read at 121GB and write at 120GB ... no problem. |
| 20:44.43 | stiv2k | does anyone here know DISCRETE MATH very well? |
| 20:44.51 | salami_z | meta meta |
| 20:44.54 | \amethyst | stiv2k: you have homework, don't you? |
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| 20:45.05 | stiv2k | ya |
| 20:45.12 | stiv2k | its frustrating as shit |
| 20:45.17 | \amethyst | no one calls it 'discrete math' unless it's a course |
| 20:45.30 | \amethyst | combinatorics? set theory? |
| 20:45.35 | \amethyst | graph theory? |
| 20:45.42 | stiv2k | yeah i'm stuck on these damn proofs |
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| 20:46.29 | stiv2k | i have to prove a biconditional. i proved it one way |
| 20:46.36 | stiv2k | i cant prove it the other way because i'm lost. |
| 20:46.45 | salami_z | stiv2k: found a nice channel, #math *surprise* |
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| 20:46.55 | jmalicki | stiv2k: what's a biconditional? like a<=>b? |
| 20:47.01 | \amethyst | stiv2k: try proving the contrapositive, it's often easier |
| 20:47.03 | stiv2k | jmalicki: yes |
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| 20:47.06 | stiv2k | \amethyst: i can't! |
| 20:47.18 | stiv2k | salami_z: that channel is ghost |
| 20:47.38 | jmalicki | stiv2k: efnet #math |
| 20:47.47 | stiv2k | kk |
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| 20:49.27 | vanguard | Guys, I haven't been here for months, but I'd like to know: Has anyone had trouble with Exim upgrading Sarge to Etch? |
| 20:49.50 | jmalicki | i bet someone has. |
| 20:50.04 | Supaplex|roaming | vanguard: if they have, it should be in bts. http://bugs.debian.org |
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| 20:50.35 | vanguard | Sorry Supaplex. I'll check it out. |
| 20:51.11 | Supaplex|roaming | vanguard: nothing to be sorry about. I'm only harsh if you were running sid (because you should know better by then) |
| 20:51.32 | wirefire | hi wonder if anyone can help me im using kernel 2.6.21-2 and am compiling something from source. I have download linux-source-2.6.21 but apparently this is not the correct one for my kernel although i cant find the one i need on aptitude? |
| 20:51.41 | Solet | \amethyst: when launching things in screen and picking the window, if the program you're running has params, do i need to do anything special? |
| 20:52.14 | vanguard | Supaplex: I've never runned Sid. |
| 20:52.19 | Solet | i'm doing screen -S Solet -X eval 'select 1' 'exec php mydir/myscript.php' |
| 20:52.54 | Solet | i've also tried the absolute path to the script screen -S Solet -X eval 'select 1' 'exec php /home/solet/mydir/myscript.php' |
| 20:53.50 | abrotman | wirefire: what are you compiling that needs source? |
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| 20:54.55 | wirefire | vmware |
| 20:55.13 | abrotman | you should ask #vmware .. might be looking for linux-headers-* |
| 20:55.39 | wirefire | it isnt |
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| 20:55.45 | abrotman | then ask #vmware |
| 20:55.45 | wirefire | ive tried |
| 20:55.55 | jmalicki | wirefire: you have to combine the -headers and the -source yourself, and fix up some things. |
| 20:56.06 | abrotman | doesn't that sound fun! |
| 20:56.09 | jmalicki | wirefire: there is no debian package that will just lay things out correctly for you. |
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| 20:59.58 | wirefire | jmalicki: could i jut not download the kernel source from kernel.org or would that not work? |
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| 21:00.10 | jmalicki | wirefire: no. |
| 21:00.22 | jmalicki | wirefire: well, that would even require more work on your part. |
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| 21:01.35 | abrotman | why the hell doesn't vmware support their own crap |
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| 21:03.30 | solemnwarning | Whenever I open an SSH connection from my machine it takes a while to connect for some reason |
| 21:03.42 | petemc | ssh -vvv |
| 21:04.01 | abrotman | rdns possibly |
| 21:04.23 | jmalicki | abrotman: i thought they do, just not on debian? |
| 21:04.28 | solemnwarning | I doubt it, connecting over local network |
| 21:04.30 | ErkiDerLoony | Hey guys! I experienced something very interesting! I suspended my debian linux with "powersave -U" and rebooted to Windows Vista. After suspending Vista and rebooting to linux I could my Windows Desktop until I logged in! |
| 21:04.38 | jmalicki | abrotman: and it's not their fault debian makes it hell on earth to compile non-debian-provided kernel modules |
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| 21:05.20 | geo-rge | ErkiDerLoony: what's a windows? |
| 21:05.31 | abrotman | jmalicki: they don't .. see module-assistant |
| 21:05.47 | jmalicki | abrotman: that's great for debian provided modules |
| 21:05.53 | abrotman | jmalicki: they could do it too |
| 21:06.01 | ErkiDerLoony | *gg* |
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| 21:06.16 | jmalicki | abrotman: there are ways to compile modules on linux that debian went out of their way to break |
| 21:06.24 | jmalicki | abrotman: so noone supports debian |
| 21:06.32 | abrotman | no one eh ? |
| 21:06.38 | abrotman | not any one at all ? |
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| 21:08.33 | h3sp4wn | Its simple to do what you ask |
| 21:09.09 | abrotman | which who ? |
| 21:09.09 | h3sp4wn | what jmalicki asks |
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| 21:09.24 | abrotman | i said it is .. but no .. i'm a flipping moron! |
| 21:10.14 | geo-rge | dum de dum... |
| 21:10.26 | h3sp4wn | Even Debian though is becoming tainted by external (Ubuntu) influences |
| 21:10.28 | troubled | abrotman: nah.... ;) |
| 21:10.28 | jmalicki | h3sp4wn: you have to install headers and source, copy the config into source, and move the include/ dir to include.bak and symlink include to the one from -headers, or something very similar to that |
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| 21:10.47 | h3sp4wn | You can just use the headers |
| 21:11.08 | sarixe | where can i find a guide to building the kernel? |
| 21:11.11 | kaos_nk | Hey, does anyone know which package I can install to be able to control the sound buttons on my laptop? |
| 21:11.14 | abrotman | !tell sarixe about kp |
| 21:11.18 | jmalicki | h3sp4wn: for everything i've needed you can't. |
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| 21:11.19 | sarixe | thanks |
| 21:11.21 | abrotman | kaos_nk: depends on thelaptop |
| 21:11.24 | geo-rge | sarixe: its readme |
| 21:11.25 | abrotman | !tell sarixe about kp mantra |
| 21:11.35 | kaos_nk | abrotman: lg |
| 21:11.36 | jmalicki | h3sp4wn: most things require things from the scripts/ dir and makefiles in the kernel source. |
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| 21:11.47 | abrotman | kaos_nk: uhm .. dunno .. maybe lineakd ? |
| 21:11.48 | h3sp4wn | jmalicki: example ? |
| 21:11.50 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 21:11.50 | dpkg | laptop is probably All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 21:12.01 | abrotman | i've never had to install the linux-source to use m-a |
| 21:12.01 | kaos_nk | Alright, thanks. |
| 21:12.07 | jmalicki | h3sp4wn: any module that does what the linux kernel asks them to. |
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| 21:12.32 | h3sp4wn | jmalicki: You can build almost anything out of tree really easily (with linux 2.6 anyway) |
| 21:12.45 | jmalicki | h3sp4wn: yes. but not with just the -headers debian provides. |
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| 21:12.55 | jmalicki | h3sp4wn: because debian goes out of their way to break it. |
| 21:13.11 | h3sp4wn | jmalicki: I only use the headers |
| 21:13.14 | jmalicki | i mean, it's easy enough to fix |
| 21:13.15 | geo-rge | care to file a bug? |
| 21:13.22 | eifzon | If I want my "inadyn" program to autostart in debian, (NO X), how to do? |
| 21:13.23 | abrotman | he'd be stoned to death :) |
| 21:13.25 | jmalicki | geo-rge: it's not a bug,it's by design. |
| 21:13.33 | abrotman | and it's not true! |
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| 21:14.03 | solemnwarning | eifzon: Write an initscript or use cron |
| 21:14.10 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 21:14.10 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 21:14.37 | abrotman | see .. when i use add/remove programs .. please stop the daemon before trying to remove the data files in use .. stupid ass windows |
| 21:14.58 | kaos_nk | Heh, LG is not even list on linux-laptop.net :/ |
| 21:15.02 | kaos_nk | listed* |
| 21:15.10 | jmalicki | abrotman: hmm, they fixed it for etch |
| 21:15.24 | abrotman | oh .. see .. not true! |
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| 21:15.32 | abrotman | can someone argue that moron thing now? :) |
| 21:15.33 | jmalicki | abrotman: well, it was totally broken in sarge :) |
| 21:15.47 | abrotman | jmalicki: sarge is old .. oldstable even! |
| 21:15.56 | jmalicki | abrotman: 4 months ago it wasn't. |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | though i don't recall using m-a at all in sarge |
| 21:16.03 | geo-rge | all that trolling just gone to waste :) |
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| 21:17.27 | abrotman | kaos_nk: you can try the lineakd .. dunno how well it works |
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| 21:17.43 | kaos_nk | Yeah, I just installed it. :P |
| 21:17.58 | Supaplex|roaming | How can I gzip/bzip2 a stream of data (as in tar/dump) so it's seekable later? I don't want to decompress the entire stream to pluck one file out of it |
| 21:18.02 | kaos_nk | It's weird, since the touchpad works natively, just the sound buttons aren't recognised here. |
| 21:18.27 | abrotman | Supaplex|roaming: you want gzip to know about the tar headers ? |
| 21:18.35 | draco_ | is there anyway to list multiple files of a remote server to copy to ./ with scp (space or comma seperated files are a nogo) |
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| 21:19.09 | kaos_nk | I guess I just have to look at what packages I have installed over in my graphical ubuntu, it works there. |
| 21:19.22 | geo-rge | Supaplex|roaming: don't compress it |
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| 21:19.42 | kaos_nk | Does apt-get store the list of installed packages in some file? |
| 21:19.48 | geo-rge | (but you still have to read the entire stream at least up to the file in question) |
| 21:19.51 | h3sp4wn | kaos_nk: no dpkg does though |
| 21:20.00 | kaos_nk | If then I could just mount the partition from here and check it. |
| 21:20.20 | h3sp4wn | kaos_nk: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 21:20.23 | kaos_nk | Thanks. |
| 21:20.29 | Supaplex|roaming | abrotman: I was thinking more along the lines of emulating seek() on it. so something like restores' -P and -Q options |
| 21:20.29 | jmalicki | draco_: how *else* would you separate them? |
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| 21:20.52 | abrotman | Supaplex|roaming: i'm not sure gzip cares what it has |
| 21:21.06 | kaos_nk | Ah, that's better. |
| 21:21.25 | jmalicki | draco_: you mean like ls -x? |
| 21:21.28 | draco_ | <jmalicki> i can only get it to take the first file listed, places in the last file. it doesnt seem to want to copy several ones at once |
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| 21:22.09 | draco_ | <jmalicki> i mean like scp user@hots:/file1 /someotherfile /andonemore ./destionationdir |
| 21:22.29 | c0rnd0g | whats a generic email address for debian list servs regarding copyright infrigement? |
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| 21:22.54 | geo-rge | Supaplex|roaming: compress each file going into the tar |
| 21:22.54 | jmalicki | draco_: you need the user@hots for each file. |
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| 21:23.12 | h3sp4wn | draco_: You can hammer it through tar |
| 21:23.19 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: file a bug on the package, maybe cc: debian-legal |
| 21:23.30 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: what package is it? |
| 21:23.31 | draco_ | k. thanks. was hopen i could list them for just a few |
| 21:24.03 | c0rnd0g | ok debian-legal@debian.org? |
| 21:24.10 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: gst |
| 21:24.17 | c0rnd0g | gst-really-ugly |
| 21:24.21 | c0rnd0g | or something |
| 21:24.30 | h3sp4wn | draco_: cd DIR1 && tar cf - . ) | ssh 192.x.x.x "(cd OTHERDIR && tar xvpf - )" |
| 21:24.30 | c0rnd0g | from debian-multimedia but still you need to know |
| 21:24.33 | c0rnd0g | losely related but important |
| 21:24.47 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: debian-multimedia isn't part of debian |
| 21:25.11 | et | draco_: user@host:{a,b,c} should work in a decent shell |
| 21:25.12 | c0rnd0g | i know i know |
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| 21:25.16 | c0rnd0g | hold |
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| 21:29.09 | geo-rge | c0rnd0g: @lists.debian.org |
| 21:29.17 | spx2 | i have a few questions on blackbox |
| 21:29.25 | spx2 | how can i have ALT+F2 in blackbox as well ? |
| 21:29.30 | c0rnd0g | geo-rge: thnx |
| 21:29.35 | spx2 | how can i access from keyboard the menu with programs ? |
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| 21:30.03 | geo-rge | spx2: checked out the docs? |
| 21:30.08 | spx2 | geo-rge: no wai ! |
| 21:30.19 | geo-rge | try that first |
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| 21:30.44 | c0rnd0g | geo-rge: any clue if .gmail.com understands @lists.debian.org? |
| 21:30.49 | abrotman | bbkeys maybe |
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| 21:31.00 | abrotman | understands ? |
| 21:31.08 | spx2 | geo-rge: tu folosesti blackbox ? |
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| 21:31.32 | geo-rge | c0rnd0g: you put the list name before :) |
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| 21:31.55 | geo-rge | or take the @ off and feed the rest (hostname) to a web browser |
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| 21:32.24 | geo-rge | so like debian-legal@lists.debian.org? |
| 21:32.32 | azeem | c0rnd0g: debian-multimedia stuff is off-topic on debian-legal |
| 21:32.42 | themill_ | c0rnd0g: what are you getting worried about? |
| 21:32.44 | azeem | c0rnd0g: contact the debian-multimedia people about it |
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| 21:33.54 | c0rnd0g | geo-rge: i try .@lists.debian.org for gmail and redo later |
| 21:33.56 | c0rnd0g | thnx |
| 21:34.05 | azeem | c0rnd0g: did you read what I said? |
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| 21:34.35 | themill_ | c0rnd0g: are you trying to contact debian-legal about packages in debian-multimedia? |
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| 21:35.17 | c0rnd0g | themill_: yes but it is *loosely* *futurely* related, id keep it for ref purposes its short |
| 21:35.37 | azeem | c0rnd0g: it's NOT related, period |
| 21:36.01 | haldrik | hello |
| 21:36.01 | c0rnd0g | azeem: pls do not delete and archive. |
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| 21:36.08 | azeem | c0rnd0g: huh? |
| 21:36.13 | abrotman | c0rnd0g: what is your email related to ? |
| 21:36.17 | c0rnd0g | it could become a problem in the future. you never know |
| 21:36.20 | themill_ | c0rnd0g: don't bother. If it's not a debian package or not subject to an ITP with some active work being done on it to get it into the main debian archive, then it's not related to debian-legal. |
| 21:36.20 | c0rnd0g | for reference purposes |
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| 21:36.31 | azeem | c0rnd0g: I cannot stop you from mailing debian-legal, I can just tell you it's totally pointless |
| 21:36.41 | abrotman | c0rnd0g: i meant .. what's the subject of your email ? |
| 21:36.50 | spq | hmm, does anyone know where the libdbi-dev package is gone? im on etch |
| 21:37.02 | haldrik | how I can send pop up messages over the net? |
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| 21:37.14 | jmalicki | haldrik: winpopup? |
| 21:37.18 | haldrik | like windows does |
| 21:37.19 | abrotman | linpopup |
| 21:37.26 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 21:37.32 | c0rnd0g | azeem: it has to do with proprietary substr search engine filter and devoid of open source referencing when in fact the company heavily uses open source softwares |
| 21:37.33 | haldrik | mmm |
| 21:37.33 | geo-rge | haldrik: don't send them to me |
| 21:37.35 | themill_ | spq: apt-cache search libdbi turns up lots of things |
| 21:37.36 | Supaplex|roaming | jabber > smb |
| 21:37.39 | haldrik | ok |
| 21:37.46 | jmalicki | haldrik: actually, i think smbclient can do it. |
| 21:37.46 | abrotman | !info linpopup etch |
| 21:37.49 | dpkg | linpopup: (X Window System port of Winpopup, running over Samba), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-8 (etch), Packaged size: 76 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 21:37.59 | spq | themill_, but nothing interesting for me :( |
| 21:38.02 | azeem | c0rnd0g: which package? |
| 21:38.03 | logdenum | hi, i've a little problem: if i print form my pc everything goes fine, i a client machine o my land send a print job printer stalls on the last page and i've to turn it off |
| 21:38.14 | themill_ | spq: can you give me some more clues then... |
| 21:38.30 | c0rnd0g | when in fact there my be a c file in their softwares correlating by author that is devoid of their advertisement and material |
| 21:38.48 | azeem | c0rnd0g: are you working for that company? |
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| 21:39.02 | c0rnd0g | azeem: gst-OTHER not packaged in Debian but debian-mutlimedia from France i think |
| 21:39.09 | c0rnd0g | azeem: NO |
| 21:39.20 | spq | themill_, im asked for the package libdbi-dev containing the file dbi/dbi.h, but i cant find it in apt |
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| 21:39.23 | abrotman | c0rnd0g: but Debian doesn't package that software |
| 21:39.25 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: Wait, are you saying that the package is violating the proprietary copyright, or vice versa? |
| 21:39.25 | c0rnd0g | azeem: unemp Katrina previous sys analyst for uni |
| 21:39.27 | themill_ | c0rnd0g: uses open source software and uses open source software in breach of the licence agreement are two rather different htings. |
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| 21:39.46 | azeem | c0rnd0g: if you mail debian-legal saying "gst-OTHER" has issues, people will laugh at you for being vague |
| 21:39.58 | haldrik | jmalicki: but if I dont use samba? |
| 21:39.58 | abrotman | and for being a package not in debian ? |
| 21:40.07 | geo-rge | the proprietary copyright is violating the package?! |
| 21:40.20 | SkareCrow | is there some kinda apt sources application i can use to choose a server? like the one in the installer |
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| 21:40.36 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: or that proprietary software in the package is violating an open-source copyright? |
| 21:40.36 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: i'm saying the use of labor performed by that company negates their end product violating gpl law making proprietary advertisemnts through self auditing search engine, internally owned by that company |
| 21:40.38 | SkareCrow | i choose ftp.us.debian.org and it didnt respond and they just added the cdrom sources on a net install |
| 21:40.40 | abrotman | SkareCrow: not really .. apt-spy can find a fast one .. otherwise .. debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 21:40.45 | spq | !info libdvi-dev etch |
| 21:40.53 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: the latter |
| 21:41.03 | azeem | c0rnd0g: whatever, please mail debian-legal and leave us alone with this nonsense |
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| 21:41.16 | c0rnd0g | azeem: its done thanks |
| 21:41.28 | themill_ | spq: libdbi0-dev is the package you need and it's not in etch. |
| 21:41.37 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: "negates their end product violating gpl law"? |
| 21:41.46 | spq | themill_, hmm so what to do?! |
| 21:41.54 | c0rnd0g | pls debian-legal archive or send letter to the company questioning negate of labor performed by author violating intellectual property |
| 21:42.13 | themill_ | !why is libdbi0-dev not in testing |
| 21:42.13 | dpkg | libdbi0-dev is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=libdbi0-dev |
| 21:42.42 | spq | ty |
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| 21:43.16 | SkareCrow | this is annoying |
| 21:43.22 | SkareCrow | i liked the sarge installer alot more |
| 21:43.25 | geo-rge | !why is dpkg not in testing |
| 21:43.25 | dpkg | dpkg is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=dpkg |
| 21:43.26 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: yes, labor peformed to run that audit software (or filtering software) for their search engine relies algorithmically on "hits" moreso than proper content therefore possible illegal pornograhy, whether "soft" or "links to harder porn" is trumping substr search of given name |
| 21:43.56 | themill_ | spq: the referenced bug mentions an unoffical repo for libdbi that might help you out here |
| 21:44.10 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: you're complaining about google |
| 21:44.10 | spq | yea, thanks |
| 21:44.15 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: right? |
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| 21:45.25 | themill_ | c0rnd0g: wtf? |
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| 21:46.45 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: and that labor that is automatically performed by machinery most definitely still has C code in kernel developed by an intellectual property entity and even furthering advertisements of www multimedia content giving other antiquated material for educational purposes yet denying other educating material due to algorithmic substr execution. resultant being www populist mostly, soft pornography, negating any acknowledgement of labor perf |
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| 21:47.52 | \amethyst | c0rnd0g: So you're saying google is violating copyright because when you tried searching for an open-source package you found porn? |
| 21:48.10 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 21:48.13 | themill_ | c0rnd0g: are you a bot that is just concatenating big words? |
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| 21:48.31 | abrotman | themill_: aka ... a manager? :) |
| 21:48.41 | themill_ | ;) |
| 21:48.42 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: i'm saying substr 'alan cox' there is no ref in any given videos of an 'alan cox' who labored for the linux kernel. and that their self auditing software is promoting, even advertising proprietary systems through selective display of antiquated material. i.e. for argument, heresay: "I got this Civil War retro gun off ebay.com for 25 dollars and resold it to uk.ebay.com for 25,000 dollars" |
| 21:49.01 | abrotman | w t f |
| 21:49.08 | \amethyst | that's not copyright, but anyway |
| 21:49.12 | \amethyst | I have a class to teach |
| 21:49.20 | abrotman | hopefully you make more sense :) |
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| 21:49.39 | geo-rge | I got a suggestion... use a different search engine |
| 21:49.42 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: no i am saying i attempted to educate or prepare education in an adolescent environment and there is no reference to open source developer alan cox |
| 21:49.58 | themill_ | c0rnd0g: I once got an installation of megahal working and trained it up on journal articles from my field. I could have more intelligent conversations with it than this. |
| 21:50.08 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: probably in feer of concept 'reverse engineering' due to his work on Creative Labs SBLive! or something and the Aureal problem. |
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| 21:50.28 | c0rnd0g | themill_: sorry if i don't stimulate your intelligence |
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| 21:52.28 | petemc | the term pleonastic springs to mind |
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| 21:52.50 | SkareCrow | wtf |
| 21:53.02 | SkareCrow | netselect gave me the crapiest sources |
| 21:53.09 | SkareCrow | dling at 100KB/s |
| 21:53.13 | geo-rge | c0rnd0g: the first hit I get with alan cox is a wikipedia reference... |
| 21:53.34 | geo-rge | so let's see, your whole claim is false? |
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| 21:53.58 | geo-rge | or better, you don't know how to use a search engine? |
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| 21:54.04 | c0rnd0g | geo-rge: evidently their algorithm probably was modified from here til then but oh well ok |
| 21:54.08 | petemc | so where does debian-multimedia fit in again? |
| 21:54.18 | c0rnd0g | geo-rge: i just typed in w/out quotes 'alan cox' |
| 21:54.28 | Winkie | hey guys, debmirror is failing quite badly for me as some of the Package.diff files for etch-proposed-updates can't be downloaded |
| 21:54.32 | Winkie | any suggestions as to an easy fix? |
| 21:54.48 | geo-rge | c0rnd0g: so did I, and the first hit I get is: |
| 21:55.00 | geo-rge | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Cox |
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| 21:55.21 | babilen | c0rnd0g: (just joined, so forget if not relevant) regarding google. google might have different hits. it depends on which server you end up with. |
| 21:55.35 | zinx | guys, you'll save your sanity if you just don't listen to c0rnd0g |
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| 21:55.41 | eldowan | I'm not sure this is possible, or how to query a search engine. Is there a way to instruct dhcpd to only give out one IP address per hostname, even if multiple macs are present for that host? Other than messages being sent in duplicate / triplicate -- one per MAC -- what baddies could this bring upon the network? |
| 21:55.47 | geo-rge | if you're trying to develop educational materials, that hit would even seem relevent. |
| 21:55.53 | zinx | he's nuts in every single channel he's in :/ |
| 21:56.02 | c0rnd0g | crap. fits in becasue debian-multimedia is risky or a switch-hitter and where this software can be heavily used there is no evidence supporting intellectual property statements of legality. |
| 21:56.05 | uisi | i was reading up on running samba as a non-root user, according to the man pages you need to redirect ports if you do this, yet i'm not sure how you actually do it. any pointers? |
| 21:56.41 | eldowan | BTW, I'm using 1:9.2.4-1sarge3 on (of course) sarge |
| 21:57.02 | c0rnd0g | zinx: if i had a HOE would you cut some grass for me without chipping your shins? probably not. fuck it. troll/zinx go take some pill with a Z on it, it will make you feel better. |
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| 21:57.28 | LinuxBlues | petemc, automatix4 imported from ubuntu to etch automates it (I mean any codecs/programs you don't install due to philosophical/etical reasons) |
| 21:57.32 | Supaplex|roaming | uisi: there's some package that'll allow you to run non root programs to bind to secure ports to. |
| 21:58.02 | Helgi- | Hmm, running the debian netinst, but the installer doesn't find my wireless card? |
| 21:58.03 | petemc | LinuxBlues: "it" , being? |
| 21:58.21 | themill_ | LinuxBlues: don't go anywhere near Automatix. |
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| 21:59.01 | wintix | Helgi-: afaik wireless is not supported in netinstall |
| 21:59.08 | Helgi- | alright |
| 21:59.21 | LinuxBlues | I listen to your advice, thnx themill_ |
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| 21:59.27 | Supaplex|roaming | automatix is a very bad idea |
| 21:59.48 | Supaplex|roaming | esp the kill -9 dpkg part |
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| 22:00.21 | Helgi- | Has anyone used a BCM43xx modem on debian? I've had problems with it in other distro's. |
| 22:00.44 | Helgi- | It's a Broadcom card. |
| 22:01.06 | zinx | i thought it was a wireless card |
| 22:01.20 | zinx | for which the support isn't terribly great |
| 22:01.23 | Helgi- | Sorry, meant that. |
| 22:01.28 | Helgi- | Wireless card. |
| 22:01.54 | babilen | Helgi-: i was using it for some time on one of our iBooks. it worked quite fine... |
| 22:01.58 | zinx | you probably aren't going to get any better support in Debian vs. other distros, since they all use the same drivers |
| 22:02.26 | Helgi- | kk |
| 22:02.44 | spq | Helgi-, not debian has to support this driver, its the kernel... (and the kernel built for the installer) |
| 22:02.54 | babilen | Helgi-: that has been some time ago (~6 months) so i have no idea about the situation now. but i think that it's not worse than before... |
| 22:03.13 | Supaplex|roaming | modem? what's that? ;) |
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| 22:03.30 | eldowan | zinx: I've heard that ndis wrapper can get it working. but I never was able to get it going successfully. |
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| 22:03.49 | babilen | Supaplex|roaming: ypu now, that thing DJ use for strange sound and the device you were once learning AT commands for... ;-) |
| 22:03.52 | eldowan | Helgi-: ^^. zinx, wrong name, sorry |
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| 22:04.09 | Helgi- | yeah, i've been trying that eldowan |
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| 22:04.11 | Helgi- | can't get it to work |
| 22:04.15 | babilen | eldowan: you won't need ndiswrapper |
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| 22:04.55 | eldowan | babilen: really? when I tried with my 4313, IIRC, the native support was such that the effective range was nil. have things changed? do tell please. |
| 22:05.29 | Supaplex|roaming | babilen: haha yeah. |
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| 22:06.15 | babilen | eldowan: bcm43xx has been accepted into the mainline kernel. you basically just need to install the firmware (bcm43xx-fwcutter wi do that) and copy it to (if i recall correctly) to /usr/lib/firmware and do modprobe bcm43xx |
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| 22:07.14 | babilen | Helgi-: as i said, that was all on debian ppc for a apple airport express card... |
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| 22:07.20 | babilen | Supaplex|roaming: haha? |
| 22:07.40 | eldowan | babilen: I remember doing that. The problem was such that they couldn't control the gain on my specific card, and I would need an AP withing 18 inches for a good connection. Oh well, I don't need my laptop on the wireless *taht* bad... |
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| 22:08.53 | babilen | eldowan: i don't think that running ndiswrapper will actually give you better results than the official kernel module. |
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| 22:09.22 | eldowan | babilen: yeah, those were my results. oh well. I haven't even turned the thing on since the move a month ago. |
| 22:09.41 | Supaplex|roaming | babilen: modem comment |
| 22:10.17 | babilen | Helgi-: have you tried the module? |
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| 22:10.45 | Helgi- | i will |
| 22:11.00 | Helgi- | right when i entered here, everything went to hell |
| 22:11.09 | babilen | babilen: it has been in the kernel since 2.6.17 or so... it was pretty straightforward. |
| 22:11.11 | Helgi- | can't even boot the computer up, gotta reinstall |
| 22:11.36 | babilen | Helgi-: what is the problem? |
| 22:11.39 | eldowan | babilen: note to self? |
| 22:11.59 | babilen | eldowan: :-o oops... |
| 22:12.28 | Helgi- | babilen, it basically went to... saying "Err2Err3" when i tried to boot and then "NoOperatingSystemFound" after i tried installing debian again |
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| 22:15.24 | ann^^ | rsync, eg rsync -avz sourcedir user@host:/full/path/dest ... is ~ permitted as a destination, or, eg, user@host:~/Maildir? |
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| 22:16.50 | babilen | Helgi-: Helgi- sound like you have a faulty grub install. boot from into some live system, chroot into your new debian install and run grub-install <hdd#> that might help and surely is less work than a reinstall.. |
| 22:17.24 | Gm4n | Does anyone know if CUDA runs on debian? (http://developer.nvidia.com/object/cuda.html) |
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| 22:18.23 | hmmhesays | hey, does anyone know how I can disable an hfs+ journal in debian? |
| 22:18.33 | babilen | Gm4n: dunno, why don't you just download the sources and try? |
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| 22:19.17 | babilen | hmmhesays: dd if=/dev/random of=/your/hfs+/partition (don't do that please!) or what do you mean by disable? |
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| 22:20.15 | hmmhesays | well, when I mount my hfs+ partition, I get a message that says "filesystem is marked journaled, leaving read only" |
| 22:20.18 | hmmhesays | I need to write to it |
| 22:20.20 | geo-rge | babilen: jeesh :) probably a quarter of the channel has that phrase half typed in "Oh, what does THIS do??" |
| 22:20.58 | babilen | geo-rge: i once had a bash fork bomb in my email sig. you won't believe how many complains i got. try it! |
| 22:21.00 | eldowan | hmmhesays: does mount have a command to mount without journaling? I believe ext3 has an option to mount it like ext2. does hfs+ have something similar in it's mount routine? |
| 22:21.33 | hmmhesays | I have no idea if it does or not |
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| 22:22.09 | babilen | hmmhesays: hfs+ support for linux is _higly_ unstable. and you can't just "turn off" journaling and magically change it into a hfs partition.... |
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| 22:22.50 | babilen | hmmhesays: and don't try hfsmount please. it is very likely that you will corrupt your fs. |
| 22:23.03 | hmmhesays | I have an hfs parition, I'm not trying to change into one |
| 22:23.03 | Supaplex|roaming | hmmhesays: I have a mac to, and I've accepted the fact that the hfs+ driver may not support journalizing. That's why I have an external HDD to... :) |
| 22:23.25 | hmmhesays | problem is I have to fix my mac filesystem |
| 22:23.46 | hmmhesays | well, not the filesystem itself, but I have to replace a couple drivers |
| 22:23.53 | hmmhesays | otherwise it will not boot |
| 22:24.00 | Supaplex|roaming | how about a shell from the installer dvd? |
| 22:24.12 | babilen | hmmhesays: linux won't be much help there IMHO ... |
| 22:24.24 | hmmhesays | so there is no way to write to an hfs+ partition? |
| 22:25.27 | babilen | hmmhesays: i tried it once on an iPod i already sentenced to death, and it did not work out. YMMV though, but i would not count on it. there is a reason for the ro mount! |
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| 22:25.48 | hmmhesays | well, I can trash this machine trying |
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| 22:26.21 | hmmhesays | is there an option to force rw with the mount command? |
| 22:26.42 | babilen | hmmhesays: aah, that is good news. you can try hfsmount then. (package hfsplus) |
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| 22:27.29 | hmmhesays | yeah it is a dev machine |
| 22:28.03 | forcepath | Is it possible to figure out why my Debian install hangs at "Select and Install Software" each time I try to do an install? |
| 22:28.13 | hmmhesays | hmm it says hfsplus is installed |
| 22:28.16 | hmmhesays | but I have no hfsmount |
| 22:28.27 | hmmhesays | this is a knoppix livecd |
| 22:30.18 | hmmhesays | are you sure it is called hfsmount? |
| 22:30.27 | ann^^ | rsync, eg rsync -avz sourcedir user@host:/full/path/dest ... is ~ permitted as a destination, or, eg, user@host:~/Maildir? |
| 22:31.03 | babilen | hmmhesays: no i am not. hang on... |
| 22:31.16 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell hmmhesays -about based on debian |
| 22:31.20 | themill_ | ann^^: have you tried it? |
| 22:31.24 | petemc | ann^^: the default is the home dir anywat, do user@host:Maildir |
| 22:31.36 | ann^^ | ty pete. |
| 22:31.39 | hmmhesays | nice nasty warning |
| 22:32.11 | hmmhesays | so asking generic linux questions is not allowed |
| 22:32.31 | Supaplex|roaming | your packaging differs |
| 22:32.44 | Supaplex|roaming | if it's installed, and you can't find it, we have to assume a lot. |
| 22:32.50 | babilen | hmmhesays: it is hpmount... |
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| 22:33.39 | hmmhesays | got it |
| 22:33.53 | babilen | hmmhesays: but did you specify the filesystem when using mount like "moung -t hfsplus /... " |
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| 22:34.06 | babilen | hmmhesays: s/moung/mount |
| 22:34.15 | hmmhesays | bailen of course, then dmesg spits out "found journal mounting r/o |
| 22:34.16 | hmmhesays | " |
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| 22:34.28 | hmmhesays | *babilen: even |
| 22:34.39 | babilen | hmmhesays: just checking :-) |
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| 22:35.17 | null | what is the way to convert utf8 chars on a 'normal' chars like enlgish etc? |
| 22:35.23 | jmalicki | ummm |
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| 22:35.26 | hmmhesays | "write access to a journaled filesystem not support, use force the option at your own risk" |
| 22:35.29 | jmalicki | utf8 chars are 'normal' chars |
| 22:35.31 | hmmhesays | what is the "force option"? |
| 22:35.45 | jmalicki | hmm: -f? |
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| 22:35.55 | wintix | hmmhesays: --help might tell you |
| 22:35.56 | Supaplex|roaming | hmmhesays: -o force I would expect. |
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| 22:36.33 | jmalicki | null: any ascii characters are appear as ascii in utf-8... unless you use non-ascii characters they're indistinguishable |
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| 22:37.24 | steven43126 | how do i go about patching the kernel with grsecurity? |
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| 22:37.43 | steven43126 | that is how do i do it the debian way ? |
| 22:38.54 | hmmhesays | haha I just fscked that partition just by mounting it |
| 22:39.36 | ricardo__ | liable I still have to install kbuild even with the ipw3945-modules |
| 22:39.41 | babilen | hmmhesays: as i said.... |
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| 22:40.12 | babilen | hmmhesays: although fscked sounds pretty nice when you think about filesystems :-) |
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| 22:40.24 | protoloco | how to load a module at boot time _ |
| 22:40.28 | protoloco | there was a tool.. but i dont remeber... |
| 22:40.29 | protoloco | like |
| 22:40.31 | protoloco | e2mod _ |
| 22:40.32 | protoloco | ? |
| 22:40.39 | wintix | !enter |
| 22:40.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 22:41.05 | krazykit | protoloco, put it in /etc/modules |
| 22:41.20 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell protoloco -about modconf |
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| 22:43.01 | hmmhesays | yeah I'm just going to make a fat32 partition and have my mac installer disk access it |
| 22:43.36 | ricardo__ | Im trying to get my wirless card to work but cant install kernal headers due to kbuild? please can you help . my problem and error messages are pasted here http://paste.debian.net/35844 |
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| 22:46.23 | babilen | ricardo__: have you loaded the ipw3945 module? |
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| 22:47.39 | ghatak_mobile | Hi, is it possbile to set my system to shutdown automatically after a specified time, i used to have this functionality in windows, where if i am playing music then i can tell music program to shutdown system after a specified time or at the end of album. i am looking for something similar here in linux. |
| 22:47.44 | ricardo__ | i installed it then tested if it was being seen by KwifiManager but it didnt see it |
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| 22:48.09 | themill_ | ricardo__: where did you get those instructions from? |
| 22:48.35 | themill_ | !tell ricardo__ about ipw3945 |
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| 22:48.44 | ricardo__ | from intel and a wiki |
| 22:49.04 | themill_ | ricardo__: ok... follow the instructions that dpkg just gave you. |
| 22:49.06 | babilen | ricardo__: i meant: is the module "ipw3945" loaded as in "lsmod|grep ipw3945" gives you a result? |
| 22:49.45 | ricardo__ | two secs im in a cafe ill have to boot debian |
| 22:50.09 | themill_ | ricardo__: and you're better off using aptitude for these things not kpackage. And with ipw3945, use network-manager-kde not kwifimanager. |
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| 22:50.57 | themill_ | ricardo__: you can also ignore the ieee80211 steps if you follow the instructions that dpkg gave you. |
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| 22:52.53 | ricardo__ | dpkg gave me instructions ? |
| 22:53.04 | themill_ | !tell ricardo__ about ipw3945 |
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| 22:53.41 | Pc_Dark | Why isn't the autoconfig network with DHCP at install working? net-setup eth0 in Gentoo LiveCD works fine, so DHCP is setup correctly... |
| 22:53.44 | ricardo__ | themill i missed them what were they |
| 22:54.08 | themill_ | ricardo__: dpkg sent them to you as a msg |
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| 22:54.34 | themill_ | !ipw3945 |
| 22:54.35 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 22:54.42 | themill_ | ricardo__: ^^ |
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| 22:55.21 | ricardo__ | dpkg I cant use apt get I dont have internet connection |
| 22:56.36 | Pc_Dark | any ideas why DHCP auto-config isn't working for me? |
| 22:57.48 | NiLon | DHCP isn't working? |
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| 22:58.41 | Pc_Dark | Nope, DHCP works |
| 22:58.55 | Pc_Dark | When I booted a Gentoo LiveCD, auto-DHCP config worked. |
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| 22:59.02 | ricardo__ | themill i tried the lsmod|grep ipw3945 nothing returns |
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| 22:59.21 | SkareCrow | the default desktop environment in the netinstall is gnome, right? |
| 22:59.24 | themill_ | ricardo__: modinfo ipw3945 give anything? |
| 22:59.30 | themill_ | SkareCrow: yes |
| 22:59.33 | SkareCrow | alright |
| 22:59.35 | auto359 | SkareCrow: yes |
| 22:59.40 | SkareCrow | thanks |
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| 23:00.02 | SkareCrow | hopefully this install works this time |
| 23:00.13 | SkareCrow | like the 5th time i have tried installing debian etch |
| 23:00.16 | ricardo__ | themill yeah " command not found " |
| 23:00.24 | babilen | ricardo__: try it as root |
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| 23:01.11 | ricardo__ | babilen yep that gave a load of stuff |
| 23:01.17 | babilen | ricardo__: you have no internet connection available for your laptop? why don't you use a wired network for the install? |
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| 23:01.41 | babilen | ricardo__: ok, then do "modprobe ipw3945" as root |
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| 23:01.46 | zk | anyone can help with a quick syslog-ng question? |
| 23:01.53 | babilen | !ask |
| 23:01.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:02.08 | ricardo__ | the only way ill be able to do that is at an intrnet cafe. ive managed to get on the guys network but not to the web |
| 23:02.46 | babilen | ricardo__: how are you online now? |
| 23:03.26 | zk | what's wrong with local[0-7] here in syslog-ng.conf |
| 23:03.29 | zk | filter f_messages { level(info..warn) |
| 23:03.29 | zk | and not facility(auth, authpriv, mail, news, "local[0-7]"); }; |
| 23:03.31 | ricardo__ | babilen im in a internet cafe |
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| 23:03.50 | SkareCrow | i have had weird problems with that kinda stuff before. connected to the internet but like MSN Messenger and web browsing doesnt work |
| 23:03.52 | zk | tried without the " and it's the same....error |
| 23:04.05 | babilen | ricardo__: and you can't plug in your laptop there? |
| 23:04.33 | ricardo__ | well i can get on the guys network but not to the internet |
| 23:04.51 | SkareCrow | maybe he doesnt have internet? |
| 23:04.53 | geo-rge | that would be a gateway issue, likely |
| 23:05.03 | geo-rge | or that :) |
| 23:05.16 | SkareCrow | could be a number of issues :P |
| 23:05.26 | ricardo__ | he presented a bunch of ip adresses but i dont know how to set up a connection on linux debian |
| 23:05.32 | geo-rge | but that would make the name "internet cafe" confusing in this case :) |
| 23:05.56 | ricardo__ | he uses xp |
| 23:06.16 | geo-rge | so do you have these addresses he gave? |
| 23:06.22 | babilen | ricardo__: ok, then let's try to get your laptop online. |
| 23:06.34 | ricardo__ | babilen modprobe returns a fatal error |
| 23:06.47 | geo-rge | modprobe of what? |
| 23:06.56 | geo-rge | what error? |
| 23:07.13 | forcepath | =\ anyone feel like troubleshooting an MBR issue with a fresh Debian install? |
| 23:07.14 | ricardo__ | yeah i have the ip“s |
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| 23:07.51 | geo-rge | is one of those a gateway? |
| 23:07.52 | ricardo__ | modprobe ipw3945 fatal error inserting ipw3945 ...... |
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| 23:08.43 | ricardo__ | geo-rge how do I tell ? |
| 23:08.53 | SkareCrow | lol i think i beat this monitor so good it is actually working correctly |
| 23:09.30 | geo-rge | did he say "this one is your gateway, that one is your dns server, this is the ip for your machine, that is your netmask"? |
| 23:09.35 | SkareCrow | still have a 19" CRT on my deb box, tomorow I am buying a 19" widescreen LCD for it |
| 23:10.02 | ricardo__ | geo-rge no. there is an added problem being he speaks spoanish and i do not |
| 23:10.26 | geo-rge | and you speak english and he does not? |
| 23:10.37 | geo-rge | ok |
| 23:10.40 | kenjy | guys I have a lot of files from a user and group, but I need to change the USER and GROUP ID, can I do it just editing it in /etc/group and /etc/passwd or this is going to broke my system? |
| 23:10.42 | geo-rge | what are the addresses? |
| 23:11.00 | ricardo__ | geo-rge two secs |
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| 23:11.16 | smhar | hello friends |
| 23:12.35 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.07 | Supaplex|roaming | kenjy: usermod should be able to do that for you. |
| 23:13.20 | themill_ | ricardo__: I'll take a guess at: your IP, netmask, gateway, dns1, dns2 |
| 23:13.37 | SkareCrow | that is my guess themill_ |
| 23:13.38 | smhar | I just managed to upgrade an old computer serving as 'file server' to my small network from slackware to debian stable, raising the number of debian computer running in the network to 3 with another one in the making... for my kid. now .. when updating each system.. I do not want to download the same files 3 or 4 times .. how can I do this |
| 23:13.59 | kenjy | tns Supaplex|roaming |
| 23:14.23 | themill_ | ricardo__: what does the output of the command route look like? |
| 23:14.35 | smhar | I want all downloaded files to go automatically into a directory in the server and each apt-get upgrade for any computer should first check there... something like a proxy |
| 23:14.38 | ricardo__ | ok so ill try that but i dont know wher to put those numbers |
| 23:14.49 | themill_ | ricardo__: that's fine, we'll get to that |
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| 23:15.54 | geo-rge | ricardo__: ok, 192.168.1.3 is your IP, 255.255.255.0 is your netmask, 192.168.1.1 is your gateway, 200.87.100.10 and 200.87.100.40 are your dns |
| 23:16.35 | babilen | ricardo__: edit /etc/network/interfaces and change the eth0 part to match http://rafb.net/p/QohiBq33.html |
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| 23:17.21 | ricardo__ | on mth lappy with ip3945 it says kernel ip routing table destination gateway genmask ..... |
| 23:17.30 | smhar | so what should I search for exactly? and how much a space is good enough for 3 desktop (testing) and one server (stable)? 20 GB? |
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| 23:18.26 | ricardo__ | bablien is this to get the internet cafe connection |
| 23:18.35 | babilen | ricardo__: yes |
| 23:19.15 | smhar | I just need some pointers |
| 23:19.16 | geo-rge | babilen: replace "broadcast" with "netmask" |
| 23:19.34 | smhar | not c language ones :-) |
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| 23:19.50 | babilen | geo-rge: argh.. right :'-( |
| 23:19.52 | geo-rge | oh, for that, try "The C Companion" |
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| 23:21.28 | zarephath | I subscribe to Rhapsody music service..but their site does not see iceweasel, or iceape as compatible browsers...is there a way to trick the website into thinking iceweasel is firefox 2? |
| 23:21.33 | ricardo__ | bablien hang on im gonna try that |
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| 23:22.18 | geo-rge | ricardo__: he's going to give you another one, there's a small error on the one he gave |
| 23:22.19 | themill_ | zarephath: there's a user agent switcher add-on you can use |
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| 23:22.53 | zarephath | themill_: Thanks..just download it and install off of the site? Or apt-get it? |
| 23:23.09 | babilen | ricardo__: http://rafb.net/p/q5LN8T90.html |
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| 23:24.03 | geo-rge | babilen: he might also need auto eth0 |
| 23:24.09 | themill_ | zarephath: Tools->Add-ons->Get Extensions then search for "User Agent Switcher" |
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| 23:24.23 | geo-rge | hmm, or maybe not... |
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| 23:24.24 | themill_ | zarephath: I don't think there's a debian package that's only an apt-get-away. |
| 23:24.29 | jelly-home | zarephath: oh, if it's just Firefox that it wants, you can do without the switcher: about:config, general.useragent.extra.firefox |
| 23:24.51 | babilen | geo-rge: he will be using nm later anyway |
| 23:24.58 | zarephath | themill_: Ok I got it thanks.. |
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| 23:25.19 | babilen | ricardo__: edit /etc/network/interfaces to match the supplied paste |
| 23:25.43 | smhar | got this: http://www.debianuniverse.com/readonline/chapter/19 looks like what I need.. Reading time |
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| 23:26.29 | ricardo__ | babilen im trying . # the primary netwrk interface allo-hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 23:26.46 | ricardo__ | babilen do i delete that |
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| 23:27.12 | geo-rge | ricardo__: before you do... |
| 23:27.17 | ricardo__ | or do my own function #eth0 inet static |
| 23:27.17 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.17 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.17 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:27.52 | babilen | ricardo__: just comment that with # in the beginning of each line |
| 23:28.53 | babilen | me too... |
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| 23:31.31 | ricardo__ | #iface eth0 inet static |
| 23:31.31 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.32 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.32 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.40 | babilen | no! |
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| 23:31.56 | geo-rge | get him to stop pasting :P |
| 23:32.30 | ricardo__ | babilen thats what ive done . yeah ill try and pasts to debian paste board |
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| 23:32.59 | mmInd | I'm trying to find a way to set my default gcc version to 3.4 instead of 4.1 |
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| 23:33.06 | babilen | ricardo__: does your /etc/network/interfaces match the (second) paste? |
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| 23:33.26 | mmInd | I found a site that says to modify the links in usr/bin but I'm wondering if there's a more elegant solution? |
| 23:33.34 | John_Titor | hi is there a repository to install kernel headers? |
| 23:33.51 | ricardo__ | babilen http://paste.debian.net/35847 |
| 23:33.57 | John_Titor | i cant install nvidia drivers cause sends me an error about theheaders |
| 23:34.44 | mmInd | John_Titor: apt-get install linux-kernel-headers, most repos have it |
| 23:34.44 | babilen | ricardo__: make it match http://rafb.net/p/q5LN8T90.html |
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| 23:35.29 | John_Titor | ok thx ... i was trying just kernel-headers |
| 23:35.48 | Supaplex|roaming | mmInd: modify your PATH, and symlink it out of ~/bin or set CC= |
| 23:36.05 | smhar | ok.. anyone is using Apt-cacher? |
| 23:36.11 | ricardo__ | babilen and remove " allow hotplug eth1 iface eth1 inet dhcp which is i the primary netwerk interface section |
| 23:36.14 | jmalicki | mmInd: you should change /etc/alternatives |
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| 23:36.41 | jmalicki | mmInd: with /usr/sbin/update-alternatives |
| 23:36.45 | babilen | ricardo__: yes |
| 23:36.57 | ricardo__ | ricardo__ ok |
| 23:37.39 | babilen | ricardo__: just comment that with "#" |
| 23:38.56 | unlink | i cannot get X to start. when i try, it messes up my video mode and i have to reboot even to get the console back (ctrl-alt-f1 does not work) |
| 23:39.13 | ricardo__ | babilen ive done it exactly as this http://rafb.net/p/q5LN8T90.html |
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| 23:39.28 | unlink | i've tried reinstalling every package |
| 23:39.57 | babilen | ricardo__: great. now "ifconfig eth0 up" as root |
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| 23:40.02 | mmInd | jmalicki: I currently don't have a gcc in /etc/alternatives, should I create one (or more for g++ etc)? |
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| 23:40.17 | geo-rge | nono, ifup eth0 |
| 23:40.28 | geo-rge | ifconfig doesn't read that file |
| 23:40.56 | jmalicki | mmInd: hmm, that sucks, but yeah, i don't have one anymore either... |
| 23:41.01 | ricardo__ | babilen im not getting anything from that command |
| 23:41.09 | jmalicki | mmInd: cc and c++ are in /etc/alternatives though.... |
| 23:41.32 | geo-rge | ricardo__: ifconfig eth0 down ; ifup eth0 |
| 23:42.17 | geo-rge | babilen: ifup and ifdown -do- read /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:42.48 | ricardo__ | nothing from the ifconfig eth0 down ; ifup eth0 command |
| 23:43.17 | ricardo__ | dos the cable need to be connected |
| 23:43.27 | babilen | ricardo__: yes :-) |
| 23:43.54 | ricardo__ | or are we just seeing if it installed ok |
| 23:43.54 | ricardo__ | ahh |
| 23:45.05 | ricardo__ | ok ill have to use the computer im at now so ill be offline for a bit . the code i use is ifup and ifdown -do- read /etc/network/interfaces. is there anything eles after that |
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| 23:46.19 | ricardo__ | I plug in the cable type in the code ifup and ifdown -do- read /etc/network/interfaces and then im online ? |
| 23:47.59 | babilen | ricardo__: you need to set your nameserver as well.... |
| 23:48.23 | ricardo__ | oh man how do i do that |
| 23:49.05 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.06 | geo-rge | ricardo__: you're not understanding... |
| 23:49.31 | geo-rge | you would try: ifup eth0 |
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| 23:49.55 | geo-rge | but first, let's get your name servers set up |
| 23:50.09 | ricardo__ | please |
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| 23:50.26 | spheard | Whats that doo hickey that can tell me what processes are running then I can | grep out what Im looking for |
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| 23:51.04 | nick_fn | spheard: "ps" ? |
| 23:51.07 | geo-rge | ricardo__: show us the file: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:51.19 | spheard | bingo! thanks |
| 23:51.34 | spheard | I smell DNS |
| 23:51.44 | spheard | whats up ricardo? |
| 23:51.55 | geo-rge | do it smell like chocolate?? |
| 23:52.16 | spheard | hmmm, no |
| 23:52.35 | geo-rge | doohicky is ps |
| 23:52.39 | spheard | like underneath my bed. dank musty and hasn't been sorted for years |
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| 23:53.13 | ricardo__ | geo-rge ive gone to /etc/resolv.conf it has a folder update-libc.d |
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| 23:53.29 | babilen | ricardo__: edit that file |
| 23:53.34 | unlink | here is the error i get trying to start gdm: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed! |
| 23:53.58 | geo-rge | we have to be careful here... |
| 23:54.04 | geo-rge | let's back up the file first |
| 23:54.29 | ricardo__ | i clicked on the folder and their is a shell script avahi-daemon |
| 23:54.48 | babilen | ricardo__: do "cp /etc/resolv.conf{,_bkp}" |
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| 23:55.20 | themill_ | ricardo__: you're in /etc/resolvconf not looking at the file /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:55.41 | babilen | ricardo__: do this (and all the other commands we are telling you) on the command line |
| 23:56.01 | jshan | I can ping, I can telnet, I cannot ssh into machine. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 23:56.17 | geo-rge | install openssh-server |
| 23:56.20 | themill_ | jshan: sshd not running on the machine? |
| 23:56.27 | babilen | jshan: ssh not running, install openssh-server |
| 23:56.38 | jshan | It's complicated... something to do with udev, but I forgot the fix |
| 23:56.49 | ricardo__ | im about to do the command "cp /etc/resolv.conf{,_bkp}" |
| 23:57.07 | babilen | ricardo__: on the command line? |
| 23:57.17 | ricardo__ | yeah |
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| 23:57.39 | ricardo__ | i didnt get a confirmation it copied |
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| 23:57.55 | kanzure | Hi :) |
| 23:57.59 | geo-rge | no news is good news :) |
| 23:58.03 | kanzure | I'm wondering about how to roll back my kernel to a previous version. |
| 23:58.21 | geo-rge | is that version installed? |
| 23:58.23 | kanzure | I installed etch from debian.org about two weeks ago, and I have some EIP kernel crashes and errors frequently when booting up (but sometimes get through, like now) |
| 23:58.26 | ricardo__ | geo-rge so it copied ? |
| 23:58.27 | kanzure | geo-rge: Nope |
| 23:59.09 | babilen | ricardo__: yes it is. "ls /etc|grep resolv.conf" should convince you of that |
| 23:59.09 | geo-rge | well one way is to install a debian packaged kernel of the version you want |
| 23:59.42 | unlink | what can i do short of reinstalling debian to get this working? gdm simply dies with "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!" |
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| 23:59.57 | ricardo__ | babilen yeah it did |
