| 00:00.04 | babilen | unlink: what debian version are you running? |
| 00:00.15 | babilen | ricardo__: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:00.16 | unlink | babilen: sid |
| 00:00.28 | geo-rge | (really we should have done that with /etc/network/interfaces too, but that one's simple enough) |
| 00:01.05 | SkareCrow | where to get xserver-xorg 7.1.99, Etch currently has 6.1.0-19 |
| 00:01.31 | kanzure | geo-rge: So do I just apt-get it and everything works? Would it install it into grub for me or something? |
| 00:01.32 | babilen | unlink: welcome to unstable. try installing gdm from testing (aptitude install -t testing gdm) assuming you have testing in your sources list as well, put it on hold afterwards |
| 00:01.43 | geo-rge | unlink: generally speaking... do you have fun when trying to solve medium to hard problems? |
| 00:01.45 | h3sp4wn | SkareCrow: that is a pre release |
| 00:01.55 | geo-rge | kanzure: should yes. |
| 00:01.59 | ricardo__ | babilen ive opend up the sh avahi-demon in a text editor . there are 6 lines 4 commentd out |
| 00:02.07 | kanzure | geo-rge: Thank you. |
| 00:02.10 | SkareCrow | this ATI driver wants (<< 7.1.99) |
| 00:02.10 | h3sp4wn | SkareCrow: snapshot.debian.net (from experimental at some given point) |
| 00:02.16 | kanzure | Are there any recommended kernel versions that are unlikely to crash on a laptop? :) |
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| 00:02.24 | babilen | ricardo__: no, edit /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:02.31 | geo-rge | look at /boot/grub/menu.lst to make sure, and run grub-update (or update-grub?) if not |
| 00:02.45 | unlink | babilen: i have been using it for years |
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| 00:03.15 | babilen | unlink: sid? or that particular gdm? |
| 00:03.18 | unlink | sid |
| 00:03.28 | \amethyst | How would I tell gnome-volume-manager (or HAL or whatever) to mount removable devices by the link in /dev/disk/by-id/ rather than by /dev/sdfoo ? |
| 00:03.30 | garo | I'm searching something to see how much networktraffic each user generates, the problem is that i can't use ipt_owner because the system is a vps so i can't load thehet systeem een vps is en ik die module dus niet kan laden. Weet iemand een andere manier ? |
| 00:03.35 | geo-rge | ricardo__: I'm getting a bit frustrated when you're doing things that are kinda... extra |
| 00:03.36 | garo | wow,sorry |
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| 00:03.43 | unlink | babilen: startx crashes as well |
| 00:03.54 | unlink | geo-rge: i enjoy improving debian, thanks |
| 00:03.59 | babilen | unlink: as i suggested try a more stable gdm from testing, or stable. or hack the code and send your patch to upstream |
| 00:03.59 | IgorSobreira | hey guys...i'm in trouble trying to remove some packages that my aptitude says "is broken": http://paste.uni.cc/17029 |
| 00:04.02 | SkareCrow | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fglrx-driver: |
| 00:04.02 | SkareCrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.02 | SkareCrow | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.06 | IgorSobreira | anybody could help me? |
| 00:04.12 | garo | I'm searching something to see how much networktraffic each user generates, the problem is that i can't use ipt_owner because the system is a vps so i can't load that module. Does someone know a other solution ? |
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| 00:04.26 | unlink | babilen: i don't think gdm is causing the issue since startx dies as well |
| 00:04.46 | ricardo__ | i dont have a /etc/resolv.conf file only a folder |
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| 00:05.22 | geo-rge | ricardo__: do you have anything with that -exact- name (with the . and everything) |
| 00:05.25 | geo-rge | ? |
| 00:05.32 | smhar | can apt-cacher or apt-proxy update stable and testing PCs at the same time? |
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| 00:06.05 | babilen | ricardo__: i thought you checked with "ls | grep resolv.conf" that both "resolv.conf" and "resolv.conf_bkp" are still there? |
| 00:06.07 | ricardo__ | i go to /etc/resolvconf |
| 00:06.26 | geo-rge | that is not the right place |
| 00:06.35 | babilen | ricardo__: try "cat /etc/resolv.conf" (exact name, with the ".") |
| 00:06.37 | ricardo__ | in there is a folder update-libc.d |
| 00:06.48 | geo-rge | that is not the exact name /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:06.55 | geo-rge | notice there is a . in the name |
| 00:07.03 | babilen | ricardo__: go to /etc and edit the file "resolv.conf" within |
| 00:07.05 | themill_ | geo-rge: perhaps just skip dns and check that that ip addrs work... add dns to /etc/network/interfaces perhaps |
| 00:07.24 | babilen | themill_: yeah |
| 00:07.30 | geo-rge | hmm, how do you do that? |
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| 00:07.40 | geo-rge | and what's the effect? |
| 00:07.42 | themill_ | dns-nameservers w.x.y.z |
| 00:07.53 | themill_ | ^^ in the stanza for the config |
| 00:07.54 | geo-rge | in a static section? |
| 00:07.57 | themill_ | yep |
| 00:07.58 | geo-rge | ahh. |
| 00:08.02 | ricardo__ | geo-rge thats a dot . conf ? |
| 00:08.19 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.26 | danf_1979 | Is python2.5 going to be default on testing in the near future? (6 months - 1 year) |
| 00:08.28 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.32 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.33 | ricardo__ | when i cat /etc/resolv.conf i gt no such file or directory |
| 00:08.33 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.45 | geo-rge | ahh, ok |
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| 00:09.06 | babilen | cp should have complained about that.... strange |
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| 00:09.40 | crashdummy | hey, its possible to create a hardisk image (with partimage) from an (x)ubuntu-installation in vmware, thats runs on an real pc (other hardware, etc.), too? |
| 00:09.56 | themill_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.25 | geo-rge | what is this system for? |
| 00:10.32 | themill_ | (it sounds like resolvconf is installed) |
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| 00:11.14 | ricardo__ | geo-rge ? |
| 00:11.30 | geo-rge | so if that's done, then can put the dns servers in interfaces? |
| 00:12.00 | geo-rge | ricardo__: do you have a file /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf ? |
| 00:12.01 | ricardo__ | fu·ck i done the cat wrong |
| 00:12.21 | babilen | i can find nothing about dns-nameserver in the interfaces manpage. when was that added? |
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| 00:12.30 | geo-rge | apologise to the cat then :) |
| 00:12.34 | ricardo__ | geo-rge it is there and it says "do not edit" |
| 00:12.36 | geo-rge | (sorry bad joke) |
| 00:12.43 | geo-rge | ok, |
| 00:12.52 | geo-rge | cd /etc |
| 00:12.54 | themill_ | babilen: no idea.... been using it for a while though |
| 00:13.04 | geo-rge | ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
| 00:13.05 | babilen | ricardo__: is that everything in there? |
| 00:13.21 | ricardo__ | geo-rge ok im in etc |
| 00:13.32 | geo-rge | ln -s /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
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| 00:14.21 | SkareCrow | !fglrx |
| 00:14.21 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 00:14.21 | ricardo__ | geo-rge ive created the sym link |
| 00:14.41 | geo-rge | now when you cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:14.41 | themill_ | night all! |
| 00:14.44 | themill_ | !g'night |
| 00:14.44 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 00:14.48 | geo-rge | do you get the do not edit thing? |
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| 00:15.20 | ricardo__ | geo it says "do not edit" |
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| 00:15.40 | geo-rge | just like the other one? |
| 00:15.49 | ricardo__ | yeah |
| 00:15.51 | geo-rge | (so it is in fact linked?) |
| 00:16.41 | ricardo__ | when I created the sym link it said ./resolv.conf to /etc....... |
| 00:17.21 | SkareCrow | gah! |
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| 00:18.56 | Rhoruns | yay! i finally got a netowkr card for my deb-pc :D |
| 00:19.20 | ricardo__ | geo yeah it seems to be linked |
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| 00:19.40 | thingfish | I am trying to install etch. The install appears to go well, I partition the drive, install goes on, downloads packages, then when wrapping up asks me if I want to continue without a valid swap partition. I've restarted install and done automatic partitioning, and manual partitioning, with no change. |
| 00:19.53 | geo-rge | ricardo__: are there lines in there that are like nameserver 1.2.3.4 |
| 00:20.17 | babilen | thingfish: you need to create a swap partition while partitioning |
| 00:20.45 | babilen | let's just edit resolv.conf and try the setup. if there are problems we can work on them then |
| 00:20.57 | thingfish | babilen: I have. Of different sizes even. |
| 00:21.13 | babilen | thingfish: and you formated it as swap? |
| 00:21.16 | thingfish | yes |
| 00:21.21 | dondelelcaro | troubled: the staff members who are on are actual ops; FN is there to act only when ops aren't around (and as minimally as possible) |
| 00:21.47 | Rhoruns | hmm.. what's the command to get updates? apt-get update? |
| 00:22.02 | Rhoruns | when i try that, it says 'does not have permissions' or something |
| 00:22.02 | cafuego | That fetches new lists. |
| 00:22.03 | crashdummy | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 00:22.06 | dondelelcaro | !debian mantra |
| 00:22.06 | dpkg | methinks debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 00:22.14 | babilen | Rhoruns: aptitude update . run that as root |
| 00:22.15 | cafuego | apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade fetches and installs new software |
| 00:22.31 | ricardo__ | geo-rge i havent a /etc/resolv.conf file to open up and check for nameserver |
| 00:22.40 | Rhoruns | how do i run it as root? i already logged in after boot up |
| 00:22.45 | Rhoruns | im not using X by the way |
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| 00:23.24 | babilen | Rhoruns: enter "su" and type your root pwd you set while installing |
| 00:23.38 | Rhoruns | ohh ok :) |
| 00:23.52 | Rhoruns | so it's like sudo, in ubuntu? |
| 00:24.04 | babilen | Rhoruns: or just try "sudo aptitude update" (sudo let's you run commands as root) |
| 00:24.15 | Rhoruns | sudo is not a command in debian |
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| 00:24.33 | babilen | Rhoruns: no, su will let you become root. sudo is for single commands |
| 00:24.33 | Rhoruns | that's what i tells me |
| 00:24.52 | Rhoruns | -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 00:24.52 | ricardo__ | geo-rge i cant check for nameservers ? |
| 00:25.04 | babilen | Rhoruns: ok, you will have to install that if you want. but su should do the trick now. |
| 00:25.12 | Rhoruns | ok. thanks :) |
| 00:25.13 | danf_1979 | Uhm, I see that python-wxversion is for python 2.4, Is there any other wxpython package por python2.5? |
| 00:25.32 | babilen | ricardo__: edit the file that said "do not edit" (/etc/resolv.conf) |
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| 00:25.48 | babilen | ricardo__: which is now a symlink to /etc/resolvconf/... |
| 00:25.51 | Rhoruns | it probably wasnt working because i installed the minimal debian with just the CD, and didnt have an internet connection at the time. thanks for the help babilen |
| 00:26.13 | ricardo__ | geo-rge how do I get to it . im going through the foldrs and it isnt there |
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| 00:26.28 | babilen | Rhoruns: you might want to install sudo. run visudo afterwards and add your user to that file. |
| 00:26.43 | Rhoruns | k |
| 00:27.01 | babilen | ricardo__: open a shell. |
| 00:27.15 | babilen | ricardo__: "cd /etc" |
| 00:27.30 | ricardo__ | shell open im in /etc |
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| 00:27.53 | babilen | "cat resolv.conf" (put output into #flood please) |
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| 00:28.50 | ricardo__ | im in /etc ive just done ls and it shows up |
| 00:29.11 | babilen | ok edit that file with the editor of your choice. |
| 00:29.13 | ricardo__ | but when im in a text editor it dont show |
| 00:29.28 | babilen | which editor are you using? |
| 00:30.12 | ricardo__ | text editor from the accessories menu |
| 00:30.36 | babilen | ok, type "gedit resolv.conf" then |
| 00:31.04 | crashdummy | hey, its possible to create a hardisk image (with partimage) from an debian-/(x)ubuntu-installation in vmware, thats runs on an real pc (other hardware, etc.), too? |
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| 00:32.04 | Rhoruns | hmmm, how do i check to see if my ethernet card is installed and working? |
| 00:32.08 | ricardo__ | gedit wont open it lol "null" |
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| 00:32.59 | IgorSobreira | igor@naish:/usr/bin$ sudo nothing (\n) igor is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. === anybody knows how can i solve it?: |
| 00:33.14 | babilen | ricardo__: what do you mean with "null" |
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| 00:33.42 | babilen | IgorSobreira: visudo and add igor to that file |
| 00:33.45 | ricardo__ | it says " can not open display: (null)" |
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| 00:34.12 | babilen | ricardo__: ah, ok... argh |
| 00:34.37 | IgorSobreira | babilen, well...just the name "igor"...? nothig else? |
| 00:34.48 | ricardo__ | shite my battery is running low it will power off soon |
| 00:34.52 | geo-rge | unset DISPLAY |
| 00:35.14 | babilen | IgorSobreira: no, not just the name igor... "man visudo" will help |
| 00:35.15 | geo-rge | then (your editor program you like) /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:35.26 | IgorSobreira | ok |
| 00:35.27 | ricardo__ | geo? |
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| 00:36.19 | babilen | IgorSobreira: igor ALL=(ALL) ALL under #User privilige... (like root in there) |
| 00:36.22 | bulio| | whats a good graphical login manager for XFCE in debian? |
| 00:36.28 | geo-rge | no battery charger?! |
| 00:36.35 | bulio| | and to install xfce in etch, all I need is apt-get install xfce? |
| 00:36.49 | ricardo__ | yeah but im in a cafe |
| 00:36.52 | IgorSobreira | babilen, thanks |
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| 00:37.08 | geo-rge | nowhere to plug it in... |
| 00:37.10 | ricardo__ | geo-rge ill have to go back to the hotel |
| 00:37.25 | ricardo__ | yeah when it goes down ill go get it |
| 00:37.43 | babilen | ok, let's hurry then |
| 00:37.53 | babilen | ricardo__: "unset DISPLAY" |
| 00:37.55 | nickGER | Anyone know of an open source language translators? I found openlogos but it appears to be dated and I can't get it to compile on etch |
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| 00:38.14 | ricardo__ | bablien ok unsert |
| 00:38.26 | babilen | ricardo__: "gedit resolv.conf" |
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| 00:38.59 | babilen | ricardo__: working? |
| 00:39.09 | ricardo__ | babilen same thing |
| 00:39.13 | ricardo__ | null |
| 00:39.23 | geo-rge | nano /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:39.36 | John_Titor | hi im trying to install nvidia drivers and when i run the sh NVIDI.,........ shows me a message that cannot find the kernel-sources |
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| 00:40.05 | geo-rge | nano is pretty easy |
| 00:40.09 | ricardo__ | yep im in to the file with nano |
| 00:40.11 | babilen | John_Titor: do not use the nvidia supplied installer. use the debian package |
| 00:40.17 | babilen | ricardo__: great |
| 00:40.24 | John_Titor | how can i download it? |
| 00:40.30 | geo-rge | are there lines that say like nameserver 1.2.3.4? |
| 00:40.35 | babilen | ricardo__: is there a nameserver line in there? |
| 00:40.39 | ricardo__ | geo-rge no |
| 00:40.55 | geo-rge | ok, we're putting 2 in now |
| 00:40.59 | ricardo__ | great |
| 00:41.07 | geo-rge | nameserver 200.87.100.10 |
| 00:41.12 | geo-rge | nameserver 200.87.100.40 |
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| 00:41.42 | geo-rge | then exit with ctrl-x |
| 00:41.48 | geo-rge | say y |
| 00:41.52 | geo-rge | hit enter |
| 00:41.56 | babilen | John_Titor: package nvidia-glx |
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| 00:42.26 | geo-rge | then try ifup eth0 |
| 00:42.29 | jair | anyone here have had chance to use "xen" on debian etch 4.0? |
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| 00:42.40 | ricardo__ | geo ok ive done that |
| 00:42.50 | babilen | ricardo__: "ifup eth0" |
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| 00:43.03 | SiriusFR | John_Titor: What is your kernel version ? |
| 00:43.07 | geo-rge | then, ping yahoo.com |
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| 00:43.14 | geo-rge | if that works |
| 00:43.18 | geo-rge | you're up |
| 00:43.19 | jair | I have everything configured already the only thing is that the creation of the virtual machine runs but stop in " retrieving aptituted " |
| 00:43.41 | babilen | geo-rge: assuming yahoo.com is up ;-) |
| 00:43.51 | geo-rge | true... |
| 00:43.59 | ricardo__ | ok im going offline to test . the lappy is going down . ill have to try later |
| 00:44.03 | geo-rge | it should be :P |
| 00:44.17 | cafuego | jair: yes |
| 00:44.29 | jair | cafuego: are you on ##xen? |
| 00:44.34 | ricardo__ | so i connect the cable try if up if down then open a browser and test |
| 00:44.37 | cafuego | jair: no |
| 00:44.59 | geo-rge | ricardo__: ifup eth0 |
| 00:45.16 | geo-rge | btw |
| 00:45.44 | geo-rge | we are still unsure of why you had eth1 in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:45.54 | cafuego | If you vm can't install aptitude (supposedly off the net) I'd say networking isn't set up properly. |
| 00:45.58 | ricardo__ | ok im just looking over this nano file im not sure saved |
| 00:46.01 | jair | cafuego: I do not know why my "xen-create-machine" does this but then stop => http://rafb.net/p/id3Con34.html |
| 00:46.38 | cafuego | Hmm, odd. |
| 00:46.41 | jair | cafuego: I am using DHCP and it should just work though |
| 00:46.43 | ricardo__ | geo-rge im getting File name to write : etc-resolv.conf with a bunch of menu under it |
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| 00:47.01 | geo-rge | hit enter |
| 00:47.01 | cafuego | jair: Yeh, adduser and apt work |
| 00:47.08 | jair | it works on the other tools but not aptitude |
| 00:47.17 | cafuego | jair: Try a different mirror, maybe it's not synced |
| 00:47.17 | ricardo__ | ahhh yeah that dont it |
| 00:47.27 | jair | what do you think it is? |
| 00:47.29 | jair | :( |
| 00:47.30 | geo-rge | now, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:47.38 | geo-rge | did your changes take? |
| 00:47.50 | ann^^ | i have a cron job set up that does a periodic rsync. because this is a Maildir, sometimes files disappear before transfer can happen (like, when i move a message during a backup). when this occurs, i get an email from cron. how can i suppress these? |
| 00:48.13 | jair | cafuego: It is actually working :) |
| 00:48.16 | jair | but it is slow |
| 00:48.25 | cafuego | ann^^: m h d m w command > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 00:48.26 | jair | cafuego: it is running but slow |
| 00:48.31 | cafuego | jair: aaah |
| 00:48.33 | jair | the network is slow |
| 00:48.37 | geo-rge | anyone here care to join me in #qmail? I have a coupla problems |
| 00:48.44 | cafuego | jair: Disconnect your coworkers ;-) |
| 00:48.46 | ricardo__ | geo-rge the laptop has pwerd off . when i try the connection do i have to be on the same computer i am using now or any in this internet cafe |
| 00:49.14 | jair | cafuego: http://rafb.net/p/QU9ZD055.html |
| 00:49.14 | bulio| | I'm having a problem |
| 00:49.18 | ann^^ | tyvm |
| 00:49.18 | babilen | ricardo__: no. |
| 00:49.22 | bulio| | I installed xfce4 and xserver-xorg |
| 00:49.27 | geo-rge | all this time you were editing on your laptop, right? |
| 00:49.31 | bulio| | and it fails to start due to having font errors |
| 00:49.43 | ricardo__ | geo yeah |
| 00:49.43 | babilen | we should have put auto eth0 in there, then he would have networking next boot |
| 00:49.47 | cafuego | jair: Yeh, just go and get a cup of tea or something, let it do its thing. |
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| 00:49.57 | bulio| | Could not init font path element |
| 00:49.59 | jair | cafuego: another question |
| 00:50.08 | geo-rge | ok, maybe the same computer, yeah |
| 00:50.10 | cafuego | jair: If you need to set up a whole bunch of VMs, I suggest apt-proxy. |
| 00:50.19 | jair | cafuego: I went to the linux world in San Francisco a month ago. |
| 00:50.22 | bulio| | anyone have any ideas what may cause this? |
| 00:50.33 | jair | cafuego: well right now I am just testing |
| 00:50.40 | jair | waht apt-proxy will do? |
| 00:50.41 | geo-rge | meetoo... not enough booth chix |
| 00:51.05 | ricardo__ | geo ok. ill be back in a couple of hour. I cant thank you guys enough. |
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| 00:51.32 | jair | cafuego: apt-proxy is the tool that let me know which one is my fastest available mirror? |
| 00:51.34 | cafuego | jair: apt-proxy transparently caches packages |
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| 00:51.35 | Iradigalesc | Hello! I upgrade to debian etch and now I can't use phpmyadmin :( |
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| 00:51.41 | Iradigalesc | *debian lenny |
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| 00:51.53 | ricardo__ | see you later |
| 00:51.54 | geo-rge | ricardo__: coupla things before you go |
| 00:51.59 | cafuego | jair: So afer one VM ahs the package, it will be cached on the proxy, thus be fast. |
| 00:52.00 | bulio| | anyone? |
| 00:52.00 | ricardo__ | yeah |
| 00:52.04 | SiriusFR | You sucks ArXenn. xD |
| 00:52.17 | Iradigalesc | The configuration file now needs a secret passphrase (blowfish_secret). It works good with etch |
| 00:52.25 | ArXenn | SiriusFR: & what about u :') |
| 00:52.31 | jair | cafuego: let me ask you then. The CEO from DELL was talking about the virtualization and XEN |
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| 00:52.47 | SiriusFR | ArXenn: At you opinion ? :p |
| 00:52.51 | SiriusFR | your* |
| 00:53.09 | geo-rge | 1, if you don't get a result, try editing /etc/network/interfaces and change where it says eth0 to eth1, |
| 00:53.17 | geo-rge | then try ifup eth1 |
| 00:53.24 | jair | cafuego: and he use SUSE to create a virtual machine running on a DELL ubuntu host. The thing is that the way he created the virtual machine was very similar than any other GUI like vmware. |
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| 00:53.49 | geo-rge | 2, you can edit the same file if you have to change your address |
| 00:53.53 | cafuego | jair: Yeh, 'virt-manager' which is a python tool being developed by redhat I think. |
| 00:53.54 | zeuszz | entren aki aver q pueden hacer los hacker -----> /server irc.tucumanos.net |
| 00:53.56 | zeuszz | entren aki aver q pueden hacer los hacker -----> /server irc.tucumanos.net |
| 00:54.00 | geo-rge | that's it |
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| 00:54.07 | cafuego | jair: point-n-click VM creation |
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| 00:54.21 | babilen | ricardo__: good luck. |
| 00:54.29 | ricardo__ | ok so i try with ifup eth0 if that dont work change where it says eth0 to eth1, |
| 00:54.31 | ricardo__ | <geo-rge> then try ifup eth1 |
| 00:54.37 | cafuego | jair: Which looks nice, but it a bit useless on a headless server ;-) |
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| 00:55.04 | babilen | ricardo__: exactly. |
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| 00:55.08 | geo-rge | yeah, because we're a little unsure what eth0 and eth1 are on your machine |
| 00:55.12 | jair | cafuego: I see |
| 00:55.24 | ricardo__ | ok thanks :-) |
| 00:55.31 | ArXenn | Sheogorath: ben tu sux quoi |
| 00:55.44 | ricardo__ | speak soon |
| 00:55.45 | Sheogorath | ArXenn: Le français c'est mal ici. :] |
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| 00:55.48 | cafuego | jair: http://virt-manager.et.redhat.com/ |
| 00:55.53 | zeuszz | entren aki aver q pueden hacer los hacker -----> /server irc.tucumanos.net |
| 00:55.53 | zeuszz | entren aki aver q pueden hacer los hacker -----> /server irc.tucumanos.net |
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| 00:55.59 | ArXenn | -_- |
| 00:56.08 | cafuego | !ops someone needs a +b |
| 00:56.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cafuego complains about: someone needs a +b |
| 00:56.13 | Sheogorath | ArXenn: Oui, ici aussi il en y en. |
| 00:56.21 | lindenle | how do i set firefox as my default browser in kde |
| 00:56.22 | ArXenn | +a |
| 00:56.33 | Sheogorath | ArXenn: Aussi. |
| 00:56.34 | numist | huh, zeuszz was just in #ubuntu too... |
| 00:56.41 | ArXenn | :) |
| 00:56.56 | geo-rge | numist: so that makes it a network issue |
| 00:57.02 | numist | geo-rge: yep, I'm on it |
| 00:57.06 | Iradigalesc | nobody can help me with phpmyadmin? |
| 00:57.31 | Sheogorath | ArXenn: De toute façon je vais bientôt nous quitter car ma batterie approche inexorablement sa limite d'autonomie. :] |
| 00:57.38 | babilen | geo-rge: thought we get that done *much* faster :-) |
| 00:57.44 | ArXenn | Sheogorath: branche-le |
| 00:58.04 | Wowbagger_ | Anyone have a link to directions on getting pptp plugin for network manager working? |
| 00:58.07 | Sheogorath | ArXenn: La flemme, le câble est loin et pas envie de bouger de mon lit. |
| 00:58.22 | ArXenn | Sheogorath: sale Ă©pave |
| 00:58.29 | Sheogorath | ArXenn: Mais trop. |
| 00:58.31 | babilen | Sheogorath: try debian-fr please. |
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| 00:59.22 | cafuego | +1 inappropriate hug |
| 00:59.32 | Sheogorath | babilen: No worries, I can speak english too, but it was an exception, a french friend. |
| 01:00.03 | babilen | Sheogorath: just thought that debian-fr might be of much more help. |
| 01:00.10 | winston | hey everyone |
| 01:00.30 | ArXenn | babilen: they don't help :D |
| 01:00.58 | babilen | ArXenn: really? too bad.... |
| 01:01.12 | ArXenn | babilen: but debianfr helps :)) |
| 01:01.16 | Sheogorath | babilen: I don't need help at once, I'm just surprized to meet a friend here, it was just easier to speak french but we don't try to solve a problem. And between us, for each problem, we have more answer on the english chan. ; |
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| 01:01.53 | Arafangion | Hey, how can I write on a pdf document? |
| 01:02.03 | geo-rge | print it, |
| 01:02.06 | geo-rge | get pen, |
| 01:02.11 | geo-rge | write |
| 01:02.27 | Arafangion | geo-rge: Without a printer. :) |
| 01:02.29 | cafuego | Buy Adobe Acrobat or a suitabl epdflib license |
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| 01:02.39 | Arafangion | cafuego: Ugh. |
| 01:02.41 | geo-rge | convert to image, |
| 01:02.45 | UncleD | Any debian mail server admins here, I have a few technical questions regarding 'bounces' for you? |
| 01:02.47 | geo-rge | pull in gimp, |
| 01:02.48 | Arafangion | cafuego: No wonder people still prefer .doc and .rtf |
| 01:02.48 | geo-rge | draw |
| 01:02.50 | geo-rge | :) |
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| 01:03.04 | cafuego | Arafangion: No, the *point* to PDF is you can't modify it. |
| 01:03.27 | cafuego | if you need to fill it out as a form, acrobat reader can probably do it. |
| 01:03.40 | phix | hey |
| 01:03.42 | dondelelcaro | !fill pdf forms |
| 01:03.42 | dpkg | pdftk input foo.pdf generate_fdf > foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk input foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; |
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| 01:04.09 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Cool. |
| 01:04.13 | Sheogorath | This bot is very usefull. |
| 01:04.19 | phix | will this line force all packages to be upgrade (or downgraded) to Etch? --> Package: * |
| 01:04.22 | phix | Pin: release o=Debian,a=etch |
| 01:04.25 | phix | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 01:04.46 | dondelelcaro | phix: yes. |
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| 01:05.18 | dondelelcaro | xaralx will edit some pdfs, and you can sometimes convert them to eps which other things, like inkscape will edit |
| 01:05.21 | dondelelcaro | (but not always) |
| 01:05.23 | phix | dondelelcaro: is that a good idea? or will newer updates of programs under stable be uninstalled? |
| 01:05.29 | jair | cafuego: saw it |
| 01:05.30 | geo-rge | downgrading is not supported (even tho some packages can downgrade) |
| 01:06.11 | dondelelcaro | phix: it's not supported, and may not be such a hot ida |
| 01:06.11 | phix | geo-rge: ok |
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| 01:06.11 | dondelelcaro | it may be the least bad of available options in some circumstances though |
| 01:06.11 | phix | dondelelcaro: well I have only installed stable packages |
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| 01:06.12 | dondelelcaro | phix: in that case, you don't need it |
| 01:06.17 | jair | cafuego: but I do not have gui on my xen server :) |
| 01:06.19 | phix | dondelelcaro: which includes stable packages from sarge |
| 01:06.26 | jair | cafuego: so I do not need it ;) |
| 01:06.26 | cafuego | jair: yeh |
| 01:06.40 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: I only care about the editing of pdf's in the context of adding a layer of "comments or text" to an otherwise non-editable image. |
| 01:06.59 | phix | dondelelcaro: I tried to upgrade from sarge to etch but I get alot of errors --> ldap-nss.c:1374: do_init: Assertion `cfg->ldc_uris[__session.ls_current_uri] != ((void *)0)' failed. |
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| 01:07.22 | jair | cafuego: cool. So one the virtual machine is created, I can install any OS or just the ones listed on the xen documentation. Just linux machines right? |
| 01:07.40 | phix | dondelelcaro: although I had a mixed system, sarge and a few packages from testing |
| 01:07.40 | cafuego | Arafangion: Yeah, PDF was kinda designed to prevent that. |
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| 01:08.02 | cafuego | jair: WinXP apprently runs too for some people. Freebsd, openbsd... |
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| 01:08.19 | cafuego | Arafangion: Try pdftops > edit -> ps2pdf |
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| 01:08.34 | c01100011 | recommendations for cross client (lin to win) video chat ? |
| 01:08.35 | ArtVandalae | hi, my computer restarted itself during the night. I want to know whether it was a software fault, or whether it was just a power outage. I'm looking in /var/log but I don't know where I should look for "failure" logs |
| 01:08.55 | cafuego | c01100011: still pidgin |
| 01:09.12 | phix | ArtVandalae: if the power went (and you do not have a ups) the outage will not be logged at all |
| 01:09.22 | cafuego | ArtVandalae: kern.log and syslog |
| 01:09.57 | Arafangion | cafuego: I am surprised that it's designed so you can't edit them in that way - sounds like they did it crap (They didn't pgp sign it, did they? And programmers proficient in pdf's reverse polish langauge could tweak it). |
| 01:10.10 | c01100011 | cafuefo - run debian aswell ? |
| 01:10.19 | Arafangion | cafuego: Having said that - how do I edit a ps document in that way? :) |
| 01:10.32 | cafuego | Arafangion: Ummmm |
| 01:10.40 | cafuego | Arafangion: ghostscript? |
| 01:11.11 | cafuego | ah-hah! |
| 01:11.16 | phix | is there a way to uninstall all sarge packages that are not in etch? |
| 01:11.16 | cafuego | !info pstoedit |
| 01:11.20 | Arafangion | cafuego: I'm new to this. :) |
| 01:11.23 | dpkg | pstoedit: (PostScript and PDF files to editable vector graphics converter), section graphics, is optional. Version: 3.44-2 (sid), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 700 kB |
| 01:11.35 | cafuego | Arafangion: scribus might be able to edit ps as well. |
| 01:11.48 | Arafangion | cafuego: Nice. |
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| 01:13.19 | Arafangion | cafuego: Wow, it's got alot of output formats, thanks. |
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| 01:14.38 | phix | what is dfsg that I see appended to debian packages? |
| 01:14.38 | Arafangion | cafuego: Even java2!?!? |
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| 01:15.29 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I can't see the bottom of a dialogue at the 800x600 resolution |
| 01:15.40 | ArtVandalae | How can I "move" my screen (if at all) |
| 01:15.46 | cafuego | Arafangion: heh |
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| 01:15.49 | Arafangion | ArtVandalae: hold alt, click-and-drag. |
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| 01:16.26 | phix | :/ |
| 01:16.45 | ArtVandalae | Arafangion: worked ,thanks |
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| 01:19.26 | jair | cafuego: but this is the version opensource though |
| 01:19.28 | jair | :) |
| 01:19.52 | jair | cafuego: have you try to install an OS after create the virtual machine? |
| 01:20.21 | cafuego | jair: I run 8 virtual machines, all linux |
| 01:20.30 | jair | cafuego: I guess there is a command that will prompt me for what kind of install media I want to use right? |
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| 01:20.37 | jair | cafuego: cool |
| 01:20.45 | jair | cafuego: I want to do something like that as well. |
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| 01:22.45 | jair | cafuego: all done => my first virtual machine using Xen :D yayyyyy! http://rafb.net/p/AhgTEO96.html |
| 01:23.07 | Arafangion | Arafangion: Now you'll wish windows could do that. ;) |
| 01:23.09 | jair | cafuego: alright, now where can I find the information on installing Linux on it? |
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| 01:23.21 | jair | I mean on the virtual machine I just created |
| 01:23.27 | Arafangion | cafuego: What virtualization technology do you use? |
| 01:23.50 | cafuego | jair: It's already installed with Linux (etch), just start it. |
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| 01:24.11 | cafuego | Arafangion: Xen and vmware. |
| 01:24.14 | jair | cafuego: ohhhh ok |
| 01:24.31 | jair | cafuego: I will check that |
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| 01:24.45 | cafuego | jair: That waiting you did whilst it downloaded stuff was 'debootstrap', which installed Etch in your vm chroot. |
| 01:24.58 | jair | do I need install some kind of window manager to switch between virtual machine and host? |
| 01:25.11 | jair | cafuego: great |
| 01:25.11 | Arafangion | cafuego: How do you find VMware, for linux guests? (It strikes me as quite suboptimal) |
| 01:25.19 | cafuego | jair: No, you can sudo 'xm console <vmname>' |
| 01:25.33 | cafuego | Arafangion: Handy for testing LiveCDs |
| 01:25.35 | jair | alright let me try that |
| 01:25.52 | Arafangion | cafuego: Is that all you use it for? |
| 01:26.02 | cafuego | jair: Or start it as: 'xm create -c /etc/xen/configfilename' |
| 01:26.12 | cafuego | Arafangion: linux on vmware? yes |
| 01:26.16 | Arafangion | cafuego: If so, sounds cool - I don't think I'll get a very good run out of it though with a crap 512 MB of ram. :) |
| 01:26.19 | jair | cafuego: I will check now |
| 01:26.33 | Arafangion | cafuego: Out of interest - can you run vmware ontop of a xen-based system? |
| 01:26.33 | cafuego | Arafangion: The production server runs xen and lots of Vms, I don't test livecds on that :-) |
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| 01:26.46 | cafuego | Arafangion: You can't run vmware on a Xen box. |
| 01:27.00 | cafuego | Arafangion: ... but you can run xen within a vmware guest. |
| 01:27.28 | cafuego | It's *not* fast |
| 01:27.29 | geo-rge | anyone here care to join me in #qmail? I have a coupla problems |
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| 01:28.09 | Arafangion | cafuego: Next year I'm considering beefing up my machine and setting it up as a server, and may consider virtualizing services - sounds like I'll forget about vmware entirely. :) |
| 01:28.25 | cafuego | Well, it has its advantages |
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| 01:28.40 | Arafangion | cafuego: I'm torn between chroot (Honestly, all I need is probably just chroot), and xen. |
| 01:28.44 | cafuego | Xen still isn't particularly stable of feature-full. |
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| 01:29.10 | phix | Why has debian switched from exim to postfix? |
| 01:29.11 | Arafangion | cafuego: Have you considered uml? |
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| 01:29.25 | geo-rge | they're both still available |
| 01:29.31 | cafuego | Arafangion: I played with uml a year or two ago |
| 01:29.49 | phix | Arafangion: ? |
| 01:30.05 | cafuego | But I've only had decent hardwar for a few months... and uml was not the new black, so I didn't revisit it ;-) |
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| 01:31.12 | lindenle | Hi I am having the problem that when i remove my thinpkpad x61 from the ultra-bay (docking station ) the keyboard stiops working. Does anyone have an idea how i could debug and fix this? |
| 01:31.12 | Arafangion | cafuego: I often feel that uml is probably a better concept for linux than xen is. |
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| 01:31.47 | Arafangion | cafuego: Less confusion as to how to deal with hardware properly, and it is still native code without any emulation. |
| 01:32.58 | Arafangion | cafuego: What were your primary issues with xen? (One reason I'm considering uml over xen is that I will probably end up wanting to move vm's to my laptop as well - and xen is *crap* on laptops (No acpi!)) |
| 01:34.24 | mmlj4 | most of my boxen have a sane bind going on (in instance running as /usr/sbin/named -u bind), but one has 5 instances of just /usr/sbin/named... how to fix? |
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| 01:35.08 | jair | cafuego: I keep getting this though :( => http://rafb.net/p/62VOyd52.html |
| 01:35.11 | mmlj4 | s/in/one/ |
| 01:35.29 | jair | cafuego: I really do not understand why it thinks that that domain is in use? |
| 01:36.23 | jair | do I need to specify "loop0" to something else? |
| 01:36.58 | jair | cafuego: do I need to specify "loop0" to something else? or do I need to umount loop0 or create another one? like loop1? |
| 01:37.23 | evilgeek | you can have multiple loop devices at the same time. |
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| 01:38.10 | jair | evilgeek: and what does this tell me? |
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| 01:39.18 | jair | or I need to run the command "makedev loop1"? |
| 01:39.24 | evilgeek | no. |
| 01:39.30 | jair | evilgeek: :P |
| 01:39.50 | evilgeek | the error message is saying that /dev/loop0 is /home/xen/.../disk.img already. |
| 01:40.03 | evilgeek | i don't believe you can create two loop devices that point to the same file. |
| 01:40.05 | jair | evilgeek: alright |
| 01:40.05 | evilgeek | i've never used xen. |
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| 01:40.17 | jair | evilgeek: ohhh ok |
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| 01:41.14 | jair | evilgeek: I think I have to change something on the grub configuration |
| 01:41.26 | jair | cafuego: do not leave me alone on this ;) |
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| 01:47.22 | kairu0 | what command can i use from the console to show only the first 4 characters of a filename? |
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| 01:48.35 | bullgard4 | Why does my kernel 2.6.20-generic need two modules (ahci and ata_piix) with almost the same function? |
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| 01:51.29 | geo-rge | kairu0: cut |
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| 01:52.28 | geo-rge | bullgard4: what does the kernel documentation say? |
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| 01:53.26 | bullgard4 | geo-rge: I read often in the kernel documentation but I cannot repeat all what I have read there. So please be more specific. |
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| 01:54.19 | geo-rge | specifically, anything that would answer your question |
| 01:54.42 | cafuego | jair: what? |
| 01:54.53 | bullgard4 | geo-rge: Your answer is not helpful. |
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| 01:55.07 | cafuego | jair: You need to add the xen hypervisor to grub and set the dom'0 kernel as module. |
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| 01:55.44 | SkareCrow | how do i check my current kernel version? |
| 01:56.06 | geo-rge | wasn't meant to completely solve all your problems. if the answer is anywhere, it will be there or in the kernel source itself. |
| 01:57.01 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: ahci uses the ahci, the other is the native mode module |
| 01:57.05 | jair | cafuego: ohhh |
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| 01:57.07 | geo-rge | SkareCrow: it's in /proc/version or uname -a or -r |
| 01:57.07 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: which you use depends on your setup |
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| 01:57.28 | SkareCrow | thanks |
| 01:57.33 | jair | cafuego: how do I acomplish that :( |
| 01:57.40 | jair | cafuego: is there a place to do this? |
| 01:57.50 | jair | cafuego: a place where explain how to do this? |
| 01:58.35 | cafuego | jair: Step one: install the hypervisor and a xen kernel. |
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| 01:58.38 | qiyong | how to list directory one entry per line? |
| 01:59.01 | geo-rge | man ls, look for -C |
| 01:59.19 | bullgard4 | dondelelcaro: Reading your answer I still do not understand why my kernel 2.6.20-gneric has chosen to use both modules. lsmod lists both. |
| 01:59.33 | qiyong | geo-rge, -C doesn't work |
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| 02:00.04 | dondelelcaro | bullgard4: presumably one takes precedence then; you'd have to refer specifically to the code to really figure out what it's doing |
| 02:00.18 | geo-rge | qiyong: doesn't work? how so? |
| 02:00.31 | qiyong | geo-rge, # /bin/ls -C |
| 02:00.31 | qiyong | arch chgrp false ls netstat sh.distrib zcat |
| 02:00.37 | cafuego | jair: http://pastebin.ca/676450 |
| 02:00.43 | qiyong | geo-rge, i expect the out put be |
| 02:00.45 | qiyong | arch |
| 02:00.46 | qiyong | chgrp |
| 02:00.47 | qiyong | false |
| 02:00.52 | qiyong | one entry per line |
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| 02:01.18 | geo-rge | is your situation in some way special? |
| 02:01.30 | qiyong | i don't think so geo-rge |
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| 02:01.47 | geo-rge | hmm, confirmed... |
| 02:02.22 | cafuego | ls -l | awk ' /^d/ {print $NF}' |
| 02:02.23 | geo-rge | the documentation says -C should work |
| 02:02.30 | cafuego | ^lazy work-around |
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| 02:05.16 | bullgard4 | dondelelcaro: I underwent the procedure suggested in http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi. It says that my kernel uses both modules. -- What do you mean by "refer specificallyto the code"? |
| 02:05.36 | geo-rge | how is it there is a bug like this in ls? |
| 02:05.49 | cafuego | More likely he's aliases ls. |
| 02:05.52 | cafuego | aliased |
| 02:06.14 | geo-rge | good point... except he does use /bin/ls in his example |
| 02:06.23 | cafuego | Hmm |
| 02:07.09 | cafuego | "list entries by columns". Note the 's' Multiple columns. it's behaving as expected? :-) |
| 02:07.28 | geo-rge | ohh |
| 02:07.32 | geo-rge | right |
| 02:07.35 | geo-rge | duh |
| 02:07.35 | zinx | maybe you want ls -1? |
| 02:07.48 | geo-rge | bingo |
| 02:07.49 | zinx | although find would be better, i suspect |
| 02:07.56 | cafuego | No, my workaround |
| 02:07.59 | qiyong | how to edit a file in a simple way, change each line as XXX to: XXX@domain.tls XXX@mail.domain.tls ? |
| 02:08.00 | cafuego | ls -l | awk ' /^d/ {print $NF}' |
| 02:08.09 | cafuego | long list, match ^d, print last field. |
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| 02:08.32 | geo-rge | qiyong: you could try sed |
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| 02:08.54 | John_Titor | hey i try to install nvidia packages and sends me a message that the package isnt available but another package make reference about it |
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| 02:09.04 | John_Titor | dunno how to figure that out |
| 02:09.28 | zinx | if you just want the directories in the current dir |
| 02:09.30 | qiyong | cafuego, what is ^d? |
| 02:09.30 | zinx | echo */ |
| 02:09.31 | zinx | :/ |
| 02:09.33 | geo-rge | probably you need non-free? |
| 02:09.48 | John_Titor | right i havent try that |
| 02:09.55 | qiyong | geo-rge show me a sed command line? |
| 02:10.04 | geo-rge | qiyong: a regular expression |
| 02:10.41 | geo-rge | I'll do that in a few mins... going to store... meanwhile, man sed is handy |
| 02:10.43 | cafuego | qiyong: "d" at the start of a line (which would be for all dirs in $(ls -l) |
| 02:10.57 | John_Titor | thx a lot .... looks like its working |
| 02:10.59 | geo-rge | ) |
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| 02:11.49 | John_Titor | but i try to install the nvidia driver from the nvidia page.. using the sh command to execute it |
| 02:12.02 | John_Titor | but shows me a message about kernel-sources |
| 02:12.25 | geo-rge | I guess I have to do that at some point |
| 02:12.31 | John_Titor | i installed that way before .... but now i could not do it |
| 02:12.59 | John_Titor | whats the package to use glxinfo???? |
| 02:13.02 | zinx | John_Titor: why not use the packages from the repository? or are you using lenny? |
| 02:13.31 | zinx | oh, the ones in etch are really old too :x |
| 02:13.39 | John_Titor | no im using etch ..... but I just finished to use the repository's package |
| 02:13.52 | John_Titor | i do it now with the repositories |
| 02:14.07 | John_Titor | looks like it works :p gonna reboot |
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| 02:14.22 | Rhoruns | JOHN TITORRRRR |
| 02:14.23 | Rhoruns | OMFG |
| 02:14.28 | Rhoruns | sorry for caps |
| 02:14.28 | John_Titor | :P |
| 02:14.34 | geo-rge | which driver would I use for the nvidia graphics on an asus M2NPV-VM? |
| 02:14.35 | Rhoruns | john, please have my babies |
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| 02:14.57 | John_Titor | im not allowed to do that in this time |
| 02:15.01 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 02:15.06 | John_Titor | i have specific orders |
| 02:15.19 | geo-rge | specific baby orders?! |
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| 02:15.20 | morocho | Hi |
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| 02:15.35 | Random832 | is there a safe way to "sidegrade" from ubuntu to debian? |
| 02:15.42 | morocho | how do i get the ip addres of a dhcp server? |
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| 02:16.02 | John_Titor | no.... im here to get a debian etch version that will save mankind in the 2060 |
| 02:16.09 | Aethelred | Why might someone choose to install java in /opt/ ? |
| 02:16.14 | geo-rge | Random832: not really... but it's smoother if your /home is a separate partition |
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| 02:16.34 | Random832 | geo-rge: so i can't just change sources.list and dist-upgrade like i could with progeny or corel? |
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| 02:17.09 | geo-rge | Random832: I wouldn't... the packages are different, the depends are different and likely mean different things, ... |
| 02:17.23 | Random832 | i only just got this computer and installed a couple weeks ago so my homedir is like empty |
| 02:17.36 | Random832 | geo-rge: i thought ubuntu was based on debian |
| 02:17.43 | geo-rge | it is |
| 02:17.56 | geo-rge | but probably the only commonality now is the packager |
| 02:18.04 | Random832 | and all the familiar idiosyncratic package names like "zlib1g" are there |
| 02:18.11 | Random832 | so it's not like fink |
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| 02:18.24 | zinx | it's not debian either though :/ |
| 02:18.27 | Rhoruns | is anyone here an expert with using commandline? |
| 02:18.31 | geo-rge | if you're going to try that.... |
| 02:18.42 | Random832 | right, but neither were progeny or corel, and those worked fine - well, half a decade ago |
| 02:19.00 | geo-rge | I strongly urge you to back up your HDs, all of them |
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| 02:19.26 | Random832 | i have only like two files of any importance at all, at this point |
| 02:19.27 | zinx | you're probably going to break stuff pretty bad if you try dist-upgrading from ubuntu to debian |
| 02:19.44 | Random832 | zinx: what if i strip it down first? I wasn't saying like do it with gnome and everything installed |
| 02:19.49 | zinx | but you're welcome to try if you understand that it would be extremely unlikely for it to work |
| 02:20.08 | Random832 | hmm - actually at this point it's sounding like it might be a worthy experiment |
| 02:20.09 | geo-rge | Random832: then back up those two files and wipe/install |
| 02:21.06 | geo-rge | it might be worthy and everything... even more worthy if you have an idea of what you'll have when it's over |
| 02:21.23 | Random832 | i could always wipe afterwards |
| 02:21.31 | geo-rge | sure |
| 02:21.54 | Random832 | eh - maybe i'll just do that on a virtual machine, for the experiment's sake |
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| 02:22.04 | Random832 | [i.e. install ubuntu and then attempt to switch to debian] |
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| 02:23.10 | Random832 | you know what would be a nice feature to have in apt/dpkg? |
| 02:23.16 | De_Mon | I installed asterisk/unstable a while ago and disovered that I've got over 30 packages from unstable now... How do I downgrade all the packages that don't require removing anything required by asterisk/unstable? |
| 02:23.22 | Random832 | a way to have it block instead of erroring out if it can't get the lockfile |
| 02:24.02 | geo-rge | why would it not be able to get the lock... |
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| 02:24.13 | Random832 | if there's another copy running |
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| 02:29.56 | jair | cafuego: Thank you very much for all your help |
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| 02:32.48 | John_Titor | hey I installed nvidia drivers with the debian package and does not work |
| 02:32.50 | John_Titor | T_T |
| 02:33.07 | De_Mon | John_Titor you will have to be a tad more specific |
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| 02:35.07 | nachos | hello, |
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| 02:35.48 | nachos | whats the enviroment variables to set when compiling/installing to specify the target install directory and where to search for shared libaries? |
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| 02:36.20 | John_Titor | how can i install nvidia kernel sources???? |
| 02:36.23 | savetheWorld | nachos - that can vary from package to package. |
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| 02:36.55 | pablo | hi, my browser crashes frequently, how can i check what may be causing it? |
| 02:37.00 | savetheWorld | nachos: if you arer installing from source, and the package iuse the "./configure" tool, those values can beset on the command line of that tool. |
| 02:37.39 | savetheWorld | pablo, what browser and which version of it, how many windows and tabs do you have open? |
| 02:38.27 | rafaelfeito | someone know a tool for better visualization of dependency tree? like something graphic? where we could see the tree of system? (it's not like pstree, i'm talking about packages) |
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| 02:38.37 | pablo | savetheWorld: both iceweasel and epiphany crash on lenny and sometimes with one tag sometimes with many |
| 02:38.50 | liable | flash? |
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| 02:39.03 | ameyer | umm, gecko being broken? |
| 02:39.15 | pablo | dont know |
| 02:39.19 | savetheWorld | pable- um. weird. Any extensions installed? |
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| 02:39.22 | ameyer | epiphany and firefox use the same gecko |
| 02:39.43 | liable | a few have been saying this lately, check the bts |
| 02:39.48 | pablo | savetheWorld: i have java gcj plugin and gnash |
| 02:40.10 | pablo | liable: hwat should i check? |
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| 02:40.27 | liable | pablo: start with iceweasel |
| 02:40.29 | savetheWorld | pablo: I dunno. |
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| 02:43.01 | Bogus8 | why is it so hard to find a way to set up a simple cli email to send via my ISP's smtp server? |
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| 02:43.12 | Bogus8 | I just want to be able to have scripts email out when something goes wrong |
| 02:43.27 | Bogus8 | everything I find is WAY too in depth and mostly meant for setting up a REAL mail server |
| 02:43.36 | Bogus8 | not just being a client to an external server |
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| 02:44.25 | geo-rge | Bogus8: ever tried mail |
| 02:44.26 | Arafangion | Bogus8: Use the 'mail' program. |
| 02:44.32 | GullyFoyle | lol |
| 02:44.40 | geo-rge | mail was born in cli |
| 02:44.44 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: was just tyring to sort that out and still mostly for accessing built in stuff |
| 02:45.00 | Bogus8 | no real concise info on using external smtp (ISP) |
| 02:45.30 | geo-rge | you could get the Sendmail book publ by orielly |
| 02:45.33 | Arafangion | Bogus8: Setup a local mail server properly so that it relays mail to your ISP. |
| 02:45.45 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: I can't find any info on that |
| 02:45.58 | Bogus8 | I understand that you might could use a book to set up a REAL mail server |
| 02:46.07 | Bogus8 | but it should be pretty simple to set up a basic client |
| 02:46.24 | Arafangion | Bogus8: Unix systems make no such distinction. |
| 02:46.29 | Bogus8 | it only needs smtp address user/pass and maybe some other options required by server |
| 02:47.03 | rafaelfeito | someone know any tool for better visualization of dependency tree? |
| 02:47.06 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: well, I have been pouring over rather lengthy docs and such and have yet to find where I would even plug in the smtp address |
| 02:47.42 | Bogus8 | i see where I put "smtp" in the .mc file but nothing that seams to scream "put in smtp server addy here" |
| 02:47.48 | geo-rge | Bogus8: normally you install the package and it asks you for it while it's being set up |
| 02:48.04 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: which package? I got no such questions when installing sendmail or mailx |
| 02:48.12 | rafaelfeito | like something graphic where we could see the tree of system? |
| 02:48.27 | geo-rge | I'm guessing you have one already |
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| 02:48.34 | rafaelfeito | it's not like pstree, i'm talking about packages |
| 02:48.38 | geo-rge | you are running debian? |
| 02:49.00 | cafuego | Just use postfix, it will ask you about the relay smtp server at setup. |
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| 02:49.04 | geo-rge | rafaelfeito: there's a dotty option to apt-get |
| 02:49.09 | geo-rge | feed the output to dot |
| 02:49.20 | geo-rge | which is part of ibm graphviz |
| 02:49.26 | Bogus8 | cafuego: ok, I'll give it a go |
| 02:49.53 | Bogus8 | wouldn't matter that I sudo apt-get install'ed it right? |
| 02:49.58 | cafuego | nop |
| 02:50.03 | Bogus8 | I know sudo and pipe can act funny |
| 02:50.10 | Bogus8 | got to sudo the next command also sometime |
| 02:50.11 | Bogus8 | s |
| 02:50.26 | cafuego | You can always run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix' |
| 02:50.36 | cafuego | Basically, you want the option that uses an external smarthost. |
| 02:50.53 | Bogus8 | so postfix is going to remove rmail, sendmail and sendmail-bin? ok |
| 02:51.12 | cafuego | Bogus8: Your external smtp server requires authentication? |
| 02:51.27 | Bogus8 | cafuego: ok, I've read about "smarthost" just never made any coralation to smtp server |
| 02:51.43 | Bogus8 | cafuego: umm, can't recall... it's cox... I'll have to check it out |
| 02:51.48 | Bogus8 | dont' think so.. not from in the network |
| 02:51.48 | cafuego | "smarthost" -> outbound smtp server to relay through |
| 02:52.14 | cafuego | Arafangion: Allows remote smtp access without becoming a spam relay |
| 02:52.34 | Arafangion | cafuego: Question is... why would you need to provide a remote smtp access? |
| 02:52.49 | cafuego | Arafangion: Sometimes I'm not in the office and want or need to send mail anyway. |
| 02:52.54 | geo-rge | if you're a lab |
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| 02:53.22 | Arafangion | cafuego: What kind of network does not have access to some sort of internal smtp server? |
| 02:53.54 | cafuego | Arafangion: Hotels? Conferences? |
| 02:54.22 | cafuego | Even if they do have internal smtp servers, they don't necessarily relay mail FROM all domains. |
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| 02:54.53 | nachos | can a user change his own ulimits |
| 02:54.58 | cafuego | And my home smtp server needs to be able to forward (safely) to the hosted smtp server |
| 02:55.23 | Arafangion | cafuego: Ahh, good point. I tend to use webmail in that specific situation, but then again, my uni doesn't allow much traffic to leave the network except for http. (That network is truely run by BOFH's) |
| 02:55.40 | cafuego | Just because you only need 640Kb of ram doesn't mean I don't need 4GB ;-) |
| 02:56.18 | Arafangion | cafuego: Heh, point. :) I run my own email server, because I like my 2GB of email to be kept as an archive, and I have yet to find a cheap host that allows me to do so. |
| 02:56.23 | rafaelfeito | geo-rge: thanks!, I think dotty is exactly i'm looking for |
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| 02:57.01 | Arafangion | cafuego: At my uni, we have access /only/ via port 80 on teh proxy, which /only/ allows filtered connections to ports 80 and 443. :( |
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| 02:57.13 | cafuego | Ha |
| 02:57.33 | cafuego | when *I* was at uni, we all had a dedicated 100Mbit link with gobally unique IP. |
| 02:57.33 | Arafangion | cafuego: If that was all, it'd be cool, but it turns otu that proxy is also overloaded :( |
| 02:57.34 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: why? keeps the spammers from using your server |
| 02:57.34 | Bogus8 | my connection is fucked... don't know what is going on around here |
| 02:57.58 | Arafangion | cafuego: That's the insane thing... this uni was the first in australia to get an internet connection, afaik, and has it's own ip allocation. |
| 02:58.39 | Bogus8 | cafuego: you don't always know the smtp server info wherever you are |
| 02:58.43 | Bogus8 | cafe's whatever |
| 02:58.53 | Arafangion | Bogus8: If you have spammers, then deny their network privilages - unless, of course, you're providing external smtp access. |
| 02:58.57 | Bogus8 | you can still use a real client and send and recieve mail without fucking with all your settings |
| 02:59.07 | cafuego | Arafangion: But australia had less international bandwidth than my dorm room |
| 02:59.10 | Arafangion | Bogus8: Hmm? At cafe's I've only ever been able to get http - maybe it's different in yours. |
| 02:59.13 | cafuego | So it's not entirely surprising |
| 02:59.20 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: you have to provide external so people can email on the road... everyone is wireless now |
| 02:59.21 | Arafangion | cafuego: Yeah, unfortunately true. :( Damn Telecom. |
| 02:59.26 | cafuego | eh-heh |
| 02:59.51 | cafuego | Not that the uni in hollnd as Gbit, I think it's still true |
| 02:59.55 | Arafangion | cafuego: This city has it's own fibre network, but it doesn't quite reach my particular house, and the managers are playing cash games with fees. :( |
| 02:59.56 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: that was just an example... but if someone is in my office we have a wireless router on it's own ip for guest to use their laptop if they know the ssid |
| 03:00.05 | cafuego | Arafangion: Sydney? |
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| 03:00.11 | Arafangion | cafuego: Canberra. |
| 03:00.20 | cafuego | Ah, TransACT? |
| 03:00.27 | Arafangion | cafuego: They could easily provide every one of their customers with a dedicated 50mbit/s, but they don't. |
| 03:00.42 | Arafangion | cafuego: I'm on adsl, but yeah, I'm talking about telstra. |
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| 03:00.48 | Bogus8 | not to mention all the open AP's you can find just roaming around if you are desperate |
| 03:00.55 | snowbird | cool they should be vistior and go to who invided for ssip and get in router set up |
| 03:01.49 | Arafangion | cafuego: If they upgraded their equipement and the like, droping obsolete VDSL, they could apparently provide 100mbit/s per customer, dedicated bandwidth. |
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| 03:02.10 | Spiritus55 | Hey, I want to import my music into .mp3, but it only does .ogg. |
| 03:02.18 | Arafangion | cafuego: But instead, most customers just get a service that competes with telstra's ADSL offerings. :( |
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| 03:02.22 | cafuego | Arafangion: There is no provision for serving all that local bandwidth though. The pacific link is *still* the bottleneck. |
| 03:02.33 | Spiritus55 | I either need to know the GStreamer pipeline for mp3 decoding, or I need a new music importer other than Sound juicer. |
| 03:02.36 | Spiritus55 | Any help please? |
| 03:02.38 | ameyer | Arafangion: of course, it'd be possible for any customer to max out .au's entire pipe to the rest of the world |
| 03:02.40 | Arafangion | cafuego: Yes, but that is a different thing. |
| 03:02.44 | Bogus8 | cafuego: what is smarthost exactly? because there is "Ineternet site" and "Internet site using smarthose" and both seem similar |
| 03:02.55 | cafuego | Arafangion: We'd end up with Canberra sucking youtube dry and the rest of the country lagging like mad. |
| 03:02.58 | plediii | I'm surprised there isn't a debian package for python-openglcontext. |
| 03:03.01 | Arafangion | cafuego: Just imagine if someone were to host a debian mirror inside such a network. |
| 03:03.22 | Arafangion | cafuego: the answer to that is ISP throttling, but internal links should be good. |
| 03:03.42 | Spiritus55 | Hey, someone get to my question please? |
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| 03:05.04 | Spiritus55 | Could someone tell me what I could use to import music into .mp3? |
| 03:05.19 | workaphobia | from what? |
| 03:05.22 | workaphobia | a cd, or other files? |
| 03:05.23 | John_Titor | is there a repository for wmware |
| 03:05.24 | Spiritus55 | I am using sound juicer (default) but it can decode it into .ogg and .wav, that's it. |
| 03:05.25 | Spiritus55 | cd. |
| 03:05.29 | Spiritus55 | I don't want .ogg |
| 03:05.42 | workaphobia | well, "lame" can turn wav into mp3 |
| 03:05.49 | workaphobia | sox may or may not be able to do it |
| 03:05.56 | Spiritus55 | I don't want to rip it off cd, then decode into mp3. |
| 03:06.05 | Spiritus55 | I want to get it right off cd = mp3 |
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| 03:06.16 | workaphobia | there's essentially no difference as far as I know. It's just a usability issue. |
| 03:06.23 | Spiritus55 | I can add a new decoder, but I need to know the GStreamer pipeline for mp3. |
| 03:06.27 | Arafangion | cafuego: Seriously, a transparent cache that does little else but cache big files would work wonders in such a network. |
| 03:06.30 | reiser2 | hi |
| 03:06.32 | workaphobia | audio CDs store PCM data (or whatever the technical term is), it's uncompressed like wav |
| 03:06.32 | Spiritus55 | I need it compatible with iPod. |
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| 03:06.38 | reiser2 | how can i install gcc-c++ ? |
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| 03:06.53 | kanzure | What's a good kernel to check out? Preferably a stable version before 2.6.18-4 ? |
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| 03:06.57 | simonrvn | reiser2: it's called g++ |
| 03:06.57 | Arafangion | reiser2: Just do apt-get install build-essential |
| 03:07.16 | Spiritus55 | So, any ideas guys? |
| 03:07.57 | reiser2 | and ths glibc-kern-headers |
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| 03:08.46 | Arafangion | cafuego: I've half a mind to implement one myself for my personal network next year - but such a thing really works best at the ISP level when the local loop has huge bandwidth. |
| 03:09.02 | gravity | Spiritus55: I think workaphobia is right. Just install lame and soundjuicer will probably be able to just use it to rip to mp3 |
| 03:09.17 | gravity | Assuming I understood your question, which wasn't clear from your confusing use of "decode" |
| 03:09.19 | Spiritus55 | lame? |
| 03:09.29 | workaphobia | lame is an mp3 encoder |
| 03:09.30 | Spiritus55 | I meant to rip from the cd into .mp3 format. |
| 03:09.38 | cafuego | Arafangion: Yeah, keeping it synced via 24Mbit adsl2 still takes a while each day. |
| 03:09.45 | Spiritus55 | Ok, but I still need to know the GSTreamer pipeline for .mp3 ripping. |
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| 03:09.55 | Spiritus55 | Or I can't add a profile to soundjuicer... |
| 03:09.58 | felix_ | can anyone possibly tell me what might cause my load averages to shoot up on boot, even though i have nothing running but xchat? |
| 03:10.06 | Arafangion | cafuego: Which is why I think a proxy-based arch would be better - higher lag, but ultimately more efficient. |
| 03:10.35 | reiser2 | damm, i want to compile a lx-viewer, but when i use ./configure it says "There is no such fiel or directory" |
| 03:10.36 | reiser2 | why? |
| 03:10.38 | simonrvn | felix_: 'boot'? you mean when your x session starts up? |
| 03:10.44 | felix_ | yes |
| 03:10.49 | felix_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:10.50 | reiser2 | sorry, file |
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| 03:10.55 | felix_ | they usually stay below 1 |
| 03:11.02 | Arafangion | cafuego: I suppose the issue then becomes the idiotic copyright situation we tend to have in Australia, though :( |
| 03:11.20 | workaphobia | copyright is idiotic in most places in this age. |
| 03:11.21 | cafuego | Arafangion: Yeh, I run apt-proxy locally, the NAS is for software freedom day and the next LUV installfest. |
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| 03:11.24 | simonrvn | load going over 2? you haven't seen anything yet then |
| 03:11.29 | felix_ | well i mean |
| 03:11.31 | workaphobia | so don't brag that your country's worse than ours. We're all pretty pissed |
| 03:11.37 | Arafangion | workaphobia: Nah, copyright is perfectly coole verywhere except here, in this age. |
| 03:11.38 | felix_ | im just curious as to why all of a sudden its doing that |
| 03:11.45 | simonrvn | felix_: i wouldn't worry about it |
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| 03:11.59 | Arafangion | workaphobia: Only in the past year or so have we been able to legally "format shift" media. |
| 03:12.00 | workaphobia | Arafangion: That changes my mind. Thank you. |
| 03:12.01 | felix_ | :\ |
| 03:12.18 | simonrvn | felix_: seriously. i'd worry if it shot up to 10 |
| 03:12.22 | felix_ | well |
| 03:12.24 | Arafangion | workaphobia: Until then, every mp3 user was breaking the law. |
| 03:12.24 | felix_ | thats the thing |
| 03:12.30 | felix_ | it was higher than it is now |
| 03:12.37 | felix_ | and the only thing i have going is xchat |
| 03:12.43 | felix_ | and my computers new and its a fresh install |
| 03:12.47 | Arafangion | cafuego: I wish I had time to attend the local LUG :( |
| 03:12.48 | simonrvn | felix_: using kde by any chance, or gnome? |
| 03:12.52 | felix_ | gnome |
| 03:12.55 | Arafangion | cafuego: Damn uni schedules an important lecture at the same time! |
| 03:13.00 | workaphobia | Arafangion: Do you guys have a powerful media conglomerate suing the pants off college students as frequently as us? |
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| 03:13.04 | cafuego | Arafangion: You should, CLUG is nice. *cool* people go. |
| 03:13.08 | Arafangion | workaphobia: Indeed. |
| 03:13.12 | cafuego | Arafangion: Like, the author of Samba :-) |
| 03:13.13 | felix_ | KDE ate my ram, so i got rid of it |
| 03:13.25 | simonrvn | they start up a lot of things at once, it's normal to see that. it's lame, but it's that, or have it start sequentially |
| 03:13.25 | workaphobia | And a legal system that favors extortion over self defense? (probably) |
| 03:13.26 | Arafangion | cafuego: Definetly, andrew trigall comes to to the local one. :) Really nice mannered guy. |
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| 03:13.50 | Arafangion | cafuego: Or Tridge, as I should say. |
| 03:13.56 | cafuego | Or actually, the month before last. |
| 03:13.58 | felix_ | well, it seems like its been acting up since i reinstalled it |
| 03:14.04 | felix_ | im thinking it could be the net install cd |
| 03:14.07 | cafuego | Aye. tridge wasn't there that night though. |
| 03:14.08 | Arafangion | workaphobia: We do not even have "fair use" here. |
| 03:14.08 | felix_ | not sure |
| 03:14.21 | simonrvn | Arafangion: that's fucked |
| 03:14.24 | Arafangion | cafuego: I sometimes feel he selsl himself short. |
| 03:14.28 | Arafangion | *sells |
| 03:14.49 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 03:15.21 | workaphobia | Arafangion: We're plagued by the "If value, then right" philosophy. Everyone's flag planting IP everywhere |
| 03:15.30 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Yeah. |
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| 03:15.37 | Eren` | hi all |
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| 03:16.07 | Eren` | I googled but couldn't find anything about debian's cvs/svn commit list |
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| 03:16.27 | Eren` | could someone give me svn commit list for all packages? |
| 03:16.37 | Arafangion | cafuego: But it's what he enjoys, and he writes damn useful stuff :) |
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| 03:18.37 | cafuego | Arafangion: Well, he's a hacker, so that's what he likes doing, I assume. |
| 03:19.11 | simonrvn | back |
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| 03:34.34 | Bogus8 | how do I change the "user" part of my emails being sent out with mailx (via postfix) |
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| 03:35.04 | Bogus8 | it's automatically putting my local account user name which is obviously not my email address's name |
| 03:35.58 | cafuego | Bogus8: canonical mapping |
| 03:36.16 | cafuego | Bogus8: ... that will auto-rewrite according to th rules you specify |
| 03:36.17 | Bogus8 | cafuego: is that english? ;) |
| 03:36.47 | cafuego | to a map like "user some@email.address" will cause it to rewrite emails going out from "<user>" |
| 03:37.01 | cafuego | Bogus8: Aye |
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| 03:37.27 | Bogus8 | cafuego: hmm, where do I put that though... or find it |
| 03:37.49 | cafuego | Create /etc/postfix/canonical |
| 03:38.18 | cafuego | And add "canonical_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/canonical" to main.cf |
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| 03:38.29 | cafuego | Then 'postmap hash:/etc/postfix/canonical' |
| 03:38.33 | cafuego | (as root) |
| 03:38.44 | cafuego | See http://www.postfix.org/rewrite.html for more info. |
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| 03:39.27 | Bogus8 | wow... ok, thanks... I'll get to it |
| 03:39.31 | bullgard4 | My kernel 2.6.20-generic uses 2 almost identical modules: What is the module ahci used for, what is the module ata-piix used for? How do they differ? |
| 03:39.38 | huhlig | how do I make apt ignore gpg keys |
| 03:39.57 | Bogus8 | huhlig: hmm, why not just add them? |
| 03:40.05 | bullgard4 | huhlig: I would not do that. |
| 03:40.26 | huhlig | no public key is available |
| 03:41.18 | huhlig | emdebian repository |
| 03:42.07 | maxamillion | emdebian repo? |
| 03:42.27 | huhlig | yea |
| 03:42.38 | huhlig | buildd.emdebian.org |
| 03:42.44 | maxamillion | ah |
| 03:43.51 | huhlig | can I ignore for a certain site? |
| 03:44.07 | huhlig | its on a VM anyway |
| 03:44.13 | huhlig | if I trash the HDD I trash the HDD |
| 03:44.20 | maxamillion | lol |
| 03:44.23 | maxamillion | thus is life |
| 03:44.27 | maxamillion | you running on virtualbox? |
| 03:44.39 | huhlig | vmware |
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| 03:46.35 | cafuego | huhlig: Just grab the public key off a keyserver and import it |
| 03:47.00 | micky | hello, any idea how i may setup crond to run a specific command at 15 or 30 seconds interval? i know i can set it up for 1 minute interval like ( */1 * * * * command ) but i'm wondering what`s the syntax for seconds. |
| 03:47.04 | huhlig | even if none exists? |
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| 03:48.29 | cafuego | huhlig: If the packages are signed, a key exists *somewhere* :-) |
| 03:48.42 | mmlj4 | most of my boxen have a sane bind going on (a single instance running as /usr/sbin/named -u bind), but one has 5 instances of just /usr/sbin/named... how to fix? |
| 03:49.02 | huhlig | cafuego, this is on update not install |
| 03:49.05 | cafuego | http://www.emdebian.org/packages/keys.html |
| 03:49.15 | huhlig | hmm |
| 03:49.16 | huhlig | ok |
| 03:49.36 | huhlig | im silly |
| 03:49.41 | cafuego | yep ;-) |
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| 03:52.51 | Arafangion | mmlj4: Maybe named forked on that box for some reason, or started multiple processes as a thread if the box is pre-NPTL? |
| 03:53.08 | mmlj4 | nptl? |
| 03:53.18 | Arafangion | mmlj4: Native Posix Threading Library. |
| 03:53.26 | Bogus8 | cafuego: ok, I can't figure out what I put in the canonical file |
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| 03:53.51 | cafuego | Bogus8: "username email@address.to.map.it.to" |
| 03:53.53 | mmlj4 | all boxen are theoretically identical... etch, fully patched |
| 03:53.59 | Bogus8 | I know it's gonna basically be an alias that I'm setting up... but I can't find any examples of how to just replace user name.. most is domain names and host names |
| 03:54.02 | Arafangion | mmlj4: If it's a recent system, you almost definetly have it, but if its an old box - ahh, then that's not the issue. |
| 03:54.08 | mmlj4 | something's different, though I know not what |
| 03:54.16 | Rhoruns | if i want to install mysql on debian, what should i get? "Linux x86 generic RPM (statically linked against glibc 2.2.5)" or "Linux x86 generic RPM (dynamically linked)"? |
| 03:54.17 | cafuego | Bogus8: deparated by a tab |
| 03:54.19 | Arafangion | mmlj4: Check the logs. |
| 03:54.22 | Bogus8 | cafuego: "username" is literally what I type, or the actual user name I want to replace? |
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| 03:54.30 | cafuego | Bogus8: the actual username :-) |
| 03:54.44 | Bogus8 | cafuego: that's what I figured because it wouldn't know which user since this is a global file |
| 03:54.50 | cafuego | Also, don't type "email@address.to.map.it.to" verbatim, type the actual email address <heh> |
| 03:54.54 | zombiedoggie | yooo....... how come there's no browser tab in pidgin? |
| 03:55.16 | cafuego | zombiedoggie: Because pidgin is an IM cient, not a web browser. |
| 03:55.22 | Bogus8 | cafuego: that much I got :p |
| 03:55.48 | zombiedoggie | yeaaah.. i know.. i just installed it, and there's suppose to be a broswer tab in prefrences |
| 03:57.18 | Bogus8 | cafuego: hmm, now instead of <user> <user>@cox.net in the "from" field of gmail it just shows <user> but not what I tried to alias it as |
| 03:57.27 | Bogus8 | oh, do I need to restart postfix or something? |
| 03:58.03 | Bogus8 | nope no difference |
| 03:58.30 | zombiedoggie | i wanna change the browser for the hyperlinks that get sent to me, but there's prefrence to change that in |
| 03:58.55 | Bogus8 | cafuego: wait, it's actually there... it just has my "user name" as the "real name" field... how can I change that? |
| 03:59.17 | Bogus8 | when I hit reply it showed the right email address that it came from |
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| 04:01.03 | cafuego | Bogus8: It shouild have you r login name, followed by your cox email address |
| 04:01.18 | cafuego | Bogus8: Then rerun 'postmasp hash:/etc/posfix/canonical' |
| 04:01.50 | cafuego | Bogus8: it cannot rewrite the real name part, you need to set that in the mail client or change it via 'chfn'. |
| 04:01.57 | Bogus8 | cafuego: yeah, it is putting my "full name" as my login name (on debian) and the return email is now correct |
| 04:02.18 | Bogus8 | cafuego: ah, ok... so now I need to figure out how to change that in mailx |
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| 04:03.22 | cafuego | that shouldn't matter, mailx will pass mail to postfix, which rewrites, then delivers. |
| 04:04.21 | Bogus8 | cafuego: but the "full name" is in mailx right? |
| 04:04.46 | Bogus8 | like I want the mail to c |
| 04:05.02 | Bogus8 | like I want the mail to "come from" Joe Schmoe and not Bogus8 |
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| 04:08.33 | cafuego | Bogus8: No, 'chfn' info from the gecos field in /etc/passwd |
| 04:08.53 | Bogus8 | cafuego: but I don't want to change my full name on the system... just put it in my out going mail |
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| 04:10.20 | xjkx | how do i check what software openned the port 110 here? |
| 04:10.41 | xjkx | cant see any pop server running in ps |
| 04:10.42 | Internat | !lsof |
| 04:10.42 | dpkg | [lsof] LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
| 04:10.50 | xjkx | i tried lsof |grep 110 |
| 04:10.54 | xjkx | but didnt find |
| 04:11.13 | Favorit | xjkx: netstat -anp | grep \:110 |
| 04:11.15 | micky | hello, any idea how i may setup crond to run a specific command at 15 or 30 seconds interval? i know i can set it up for 1 minute interval like ( */1 * * * * command ) but i'm wondering what`s the syntax for seconds. |
| 04:11.29 | xjkx | Favorit: thanks |
| 04:11.33 | dondelelcaro | micky: cron only runs every minute |
| 04:11.45 | dondelelcaro | micky: if you want something to run more often than that, you probably want a daemon, not a cronjob |
| 04:11.58 | dondelelcaro | micky: or possibly some sort of sleep loop |
| 04:12.06 | xjkx | its xinetd who is running ;o |
| 04:12.22 | micky | dondelelcaro was thinking of writing a multythreaded daemon but it`s not worth the effort since it only needs to update some stats about virtual machines running on the node |
| 04:12.27 | Favorit | xjkx: well, then it's probably pop-3 service via xinetd |
| 04:12.45 | dondelelcaro | micky: well, any reason why once a minute isn't good enough? |
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| 04:13.50 | Rhoruns | what's the command to display current directory? |
| 04:14.21 | dondelelcaro | Rhoruns: pwd |
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| 04:22.29 | cafuego | Bogus8: I'm not aware of any MTA that'll allow you to rewrite that field, you might need to add a custom filter (which postfix *can* do) |
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| 04:23.40 | Bogus8 | cafuego: that's odd since every windows client MAKES you set that field (not trying to start ish) |
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| 04:24.30 | Bogus8 | cafuego: any pointers on where to start looking to set up this custom filter? (postfix is pretty massive) |
| 04:24.35 | cafuego | Bogus8: Yes, and a lot of Linux clients do that too. |
| 04:25.03 | Bogus8 | just not the "base" cli type ones... I can accept that.. still seems odd |
| 04:25.15 | cafuego | Bogus8: Maybe mailx can, I tend to only use it for piping mail out... mutt or elm can. |
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| 04:25.50 | Bogus8 | cafuego: I opened it up and checked "set" but nothing... maybe it's a variable that just isn't set by default |
| 04:25.56 | helo | i'm trying to put a system together on commodity hardware (software raid) that will be a _little_ more able to recover from a failed drive than normal... it seems like having a raid-mirrored boot partition (if possible) would just introduce a bigger chance of failure, because if something happens and the mirrors don't match, or if bad data is written to the mirror (maybe a bad upgrade), the system will be left in a non-booting state... |
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| 04:26.34 | helo | so what if the mirroring is only done on the data (database in this case) partition, and each drive has a fully bootable system on the first partition? |
| 04:26.55 | helo | leaving the 2nd drive's bootable partition untouched unless a failure occurs |
| 04:27.05 | stiv2k | help |
| 04:27.12 | cafuego | helo: Yes, raid1 for /boot and duplicate the MBR on both disks. |
| 04:27.43 | cafuego | helo: I tend to have a (smallish) raid1 /, then the rest (data etc) can be raid5. |
| 04:28.02 | helo | so raid1 on /boot is better than two seperate bootable non-raid partitions? |
| 04:28.31 | cafuego | Much of a muchness |
| 04:28.43 | stiv2k | thanks |
| 04:28.45 | Arafangion | assuming hardware raid. ;) |
| 04:28.46 | cafuego | raid1 boot is less admin hassle |
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| 04:29.10 | helo | just software raid in my case... |
| 04:29.24 | bangers | how can I run a process and gurantee it'll run even if my SSH disconnects etc |
| 04:29.29 | bangers | is & enough? |
| 04:29.32 | helo | our /boot and / don't change much at all |
| 04:29.34 | Arafangion | bangers: Use screen, or nohup. |
| 04:29.40 | cafuego | helo: Yeh. Same here. |
| 04:29.44 | bangers | Arafangion, dont have screen |
| 04:29.50 | helo | bangers: screen is great... install it if at all possible |
| 04:30.05 | bangers | I know, but don't have the option |
| 04:30.31 | helo | i guess nohup... can't you download and compile screen yourself? |
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| 04:30.37 | helo | you don't have to install it per say... |
| 04:31.17 | helo | i've had a bit of trouble getting grub to install on the mbrs of two raid1 drives... |
| 04:31.24 | bangers | is, "nohup proces &" enough? |
| 04:31.35 | bangers | to gurantee a ssh dropout wont affect the app? |
| 04:31.44 | cafuego | helo: "per sé" |
| 04:32.00 | Arafangion | bangers: Seriously, you want screen. |
| 04:32.14 | Bogus8 | bangers: I second that... screen rules! |
| 04:32.40 | Bogus8 | I had a screen session that was running for almost a year |
| 04:32.46 | Arafangion | screen is the /reason/ why many people still use CLI. |
| 04:33.11 | bangers | thanks. |
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| 04:33.13 | Bogus8 | I irc/im in a screen session |
| 04:33.22 | cafuego | aol! aol! |
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| 04:34.48 | rshakin | hmm anyone know if there is a smart application for debian... something to see the status of the hd |
| 04:35.43 | helo | ok, well im off to bed |
| 04:36.31 | Bogus8 | rshakin: apt-cache search smart |
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| 04:36.44 | Bogus8 | might try grepping that for drive or something |
| 04:37.04 | rshakin | heh, should of stated for sparc :) sorry |
| 04:38.22 | Bogus8 | rshakin: could still search online debian package site and find the app |
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| 04:42.13 | rshakin | just got one installed... well time to get a new hd... most of things on it are at prefail |
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| 04:58.12 | rooky | Hi, I need help for install debian with dual boot (I've netinstall CD). Can you help me for repartitionning disk? |
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| 04:59.41 | predder` | rooky, most of us have probably done this before, if you run into trouble ask a question |
| 04:59.58 | predder` | otherwise it's fairly straight forward. When you get to the disk partitioning section make sure you select manual |
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| 05:01.44 | indraveni | hi all |
| 05:01.53 | SkareCrow | hi |
| 05:01.59 | indraveni | I have the procedure of creating an Insstall usb for debian |
| 05:02.03 | rooky | I do not know how much I must allocate have every partition knowing that I must again keep a free space for windows... |
| 05:02.22 | indraveni | here, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 |
| 05:02.31 | pickcoder | put the windows drive/partition on the PC before you install debian and the installer will see it |
| 05:02.46 | indraveni | I am using 1 gb of usb as my ISO image is 640 MB size |
| 05:03.03 | indraveni | but when I am executing the step of sudo zcat ~/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 05:03.11 | indraveni | only 222 MB is left, |
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| 05:03.36 | indraveni | so i am not able to load the ISO image into the USB |
| 05:04.09 | indraveni | the boot.img.gz is only 16 MB in compressed format, but while extracting its going to some hundreds of MB |
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| 05:04.29 | indraveni | dont have I have any other option, otherthan increasing the USB size ? |
| 05:05.08 | rooky | the partitioner of debian say: SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 160 GB ATA ITACHI ... N°1 Primary 2gb fat32, N°2 primary 96gb b fat32, N° 3, logical 62 GB fat32 |
| 05:05.20 | rooky | if you calcul he use total disk :/ |
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| 05:06.22 | Luria | has anyone experience on getting a gunze touchscreen working on etch? i have found drivers, but they are old and for xfree86 |
| 05:06.25 | rooky | else I can install ubuntu :_ |
| 05:06.45 | Luria | as described here http://www.linux.it/~rubini/software/gunzets/gunzets.html |
| 05:07.28 | pickcoder | rooky: installing ubuntu won't help |
| 05:07.36 | pickcoder | you need to free some drive space |
| 05:07.39 | pickcoder | or install another drive |
| 05:07.51 | predder` | rooky, is your drive free at the moment? |
| 05:07.56 | rooky | I can't, it's a laptop |
| 05:07.59 | predder` | ie do you have any data on it? |
| 05:08.00 | pickcoder | indraveni: did you look at the usb device in fdisk to see what's there? |
| 05:08.16 | rooky | pickcoder -> I've again a free espace, yes. |
| 05:08.30 | pickcoder | rooky: you need a block of free space to partition |
| 05:08.33 | indraveni | pickcoder, yes |
| 05:09.12 | indraveni | pickcoder, I have formatted the usb in ext3 filesystem |
| 05:09.12 | predder` | wow, I didnt know that was possible |
| 05:09.12 | pickcoder | indraveni: if you are trying to put the install ISO on it, then you need fat16 instead |
| 05:09.17 | pickcoder | read the USB how-to |
| 05:09.29 | indraveni | pickcoder, yes i tried even that |
| 05:09.37 | indraveni | pickcoder, there also the same size problem i am facing |
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| 05:10.07 | pickcoder | if you are installing the net-install CD then it should not be larger than 700MB |
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| 05:10.18 | pickcoder | which will fit on a 1GB stick |
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| 05:10.38 | elite101 | lol crazy network split*\ |
| 05:10.53 | pickcoder | are you sure there isn't a partition with tools on it, which is taking up space? |
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| 05:11.41 | pickcoder | indraveni: keep in mind that you can mount an ISO and copy the contents to your mounted USB stick |
| 05:11.50 | pickcoder | instead of trying to use zcat |
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| 05:13.20 | Rhoruns__ | what's the command to find a file? |
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| 05:13.32 | pickcoder | find, whereis, locate |
| 05:13.37 | Rhoruns__ | k, thanks |
| 05:13.42 | indraveni | pickcoder, yes my image is only 640 MB |
| 05:13.44 | pickcoder | locate is preferable |
| 05:13.45 | indraveni | but when I am executing the step of sudo zcat ~/boot.img.gz > /dev/sda, the size of 756 MB is utilized |
| 05:13.47 | indraveni | i dont understand why |
| 05:13.53 | indraveni | pickcoder, the actuall size of boot.img.gz is 16 MB |
| 05:13.54 | pickcoder | just remember to run updatedb after you install stuff |
| 05:14.14 | pickcoder | indraveni: just mount the ISO and copy the files |
| 05:14.21 | pickcoder | I dunno what's going on there |
| 05:14.59 | indraveni | pickcoder, i am initially tring to make the usb bootable device |
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| 05:16.55 | pickcoder | hm |
| 05:16.58 | indraveni | pickcoder, without making the usb as bootable device if i copy the contents of the cd into the usb will it work ? |
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| 05:17.06 | pickcoder | what does fdisk say is on the device now? |
| 05:17.27 | pickcoder | indraveni: the CD is a bootable image with a base install repository |
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| 05:17.41 | indraveni | pickcoder, yes |
| 05:17.47 | Luria | no one using a touchscreen with etch? |
| 05:17.48 | indraveni | pickcoder, ok i will try that method then |
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| 05:18.01 | Smokeytop | Package apache is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 05:18.03 | pickcoder | indraveni: what does fdisk show is on the stick? |
| 05:18.10 | indraveni | Luria, I tried that but dint work |
| 05:18.29 | pickcoder | Smokeytop: which package are you installing |
| 05:18.32 | indraveni | Luria, its working well if i use the kernel 2.6.21 |
| 05:18.36 | Smokeytop | apache |
| 05:18.40 | Luria | indraveni, mind telling me a bit more? did you have any leads? |
| 05:18.48 | Luria | oh im on .21 |
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| 05:18.59 | Luria | which touchscreen? |
| 05:19.19 | Luria | im using a gunze serial (on a cf-m34) |
| 05:19.23 | indraveni | pickcoder, /dev/sdb1 * 1 125 1004031 83 Linux |
| 05:19.56 | indraveni | Luria, i used HCL laptop touchreen, dont remember the exact name |
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| 05:20.02 | pickcoder | Smokeytop: what command are you using? |
| 05:20.04 | indraveni | but it was giving me problem with etch |
| 05:20.24 | Smokeytop | pickcoder: apt-get install apache |
| 05:20.32 | pickcoder | Smokeytop: are you on Etch? |
| 05:20.38 | Luria | was it an x module or kernel driver (or already in the kernel)? |
| 05:21.04 | Smokeytop | pickcoder: Yes. |
| 05:21.10 | pickcoder | try aptitude instead |
| 05:21.32 | pickcoder | apache2 is replacing apache 1.3 at this point |
| 05:21.38 | pickcoder | 1.3 isn't really supported anymore |
| 05:21.42 | Smokeytop | aye-aye. Thanks. |
| 05:21.48 | Smokeytop | Well, i tried apt-get install apache2 also |
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| 05:22.27 | pickcoder | the main reason it's still there is because of dependencies from packages that haven't been updated to fit the new apache2 configs |
| 05:22.32 | Smokeytop | don't see it in aptitude, am I missing an entry in my sources.list possibly? |
| 05:22.46 | pickcoder | aptitude install apache |
| 05:22.54 | pickcoder | or aptitude install apache2 |
| 05:22.59 | Arafangion | pickcoder: Except on openbsd. ;) |
| 05:23.04 | pickcoder | meh |
| 05:23.22 | indraveni | Smokeytop, whats ur suorces.list say ? |
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| 05:24.01 | Smokeytop | "No candidate version found for apache" |
| 05:24.35 | pickcoder | Smokeytop: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:24.37 | Smokeytop | http://pastebin.com/m1cdd2245 |
| 05:24.57 | pickcoder | well there's yur problem |
| 05:25.03 | Smokeytop | hmm? |
| 05:25.10 | pickcoder | you don't have a regular mirror in there |
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| 05:25.35 | Smokeytop | oppps? Would you be kind enough to provide me with the line for one, please. |
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| 05:25.55 | pickcoder | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 05:26.06 | pickcoder | !mirrors |
| 05:26.06 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 05:26.12 | pickcoder | or you can pick another |
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| 05:26.49 | pickcoder | I would comment out the CD line too |
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| 05:28.00 | Smokeytop | so its "deb ftp.us.debian.org etch/updates main contrib"? |
| 05:28.04 | Smokeytop | oh |
| 05:28.08 | Smokeytop | thanks pickcoder |
| 05:28.09 | Smokeytop | =] |
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| 05:40.24 | SkareCrow | GAH NOT AGAIN |
| 05:40.43 | SkareCrow | i have installed debian so many times today, i keep getting errors and crap |
| 05:41.03 | SkareCrow | so close to the end and grub boot loader wont install |
| 05:41.27 | Luria | yeah, i had that, skipped the step and continued |
| 05:41.43 | Luria | worked out in the end |
| 05:42.00 | ApEtc | Luria: What step did you skip? |
| 05:42.03 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: Did you consider finding out /why/? |
| 05:42.09 | ApEtc | Skipping the install of the bootloader seems to be asking for it. :) |
| 05:42.13 | Luria | hehe |
| 05:42.17 | Luria | well... |
| 05:42.25 | SkareCrow | it is saying "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. "This is a fetal error." "Unable to install GRUB in (hd0)" |
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| 05:42.34 | Luria | oh thats real bad |
| 05:42.35 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: If you installed it the same way each time, then *duh*, what did you expect? Did you expect that it would do things differently, like hand you a vase of flowers? |
| 05:42.39 | Luria | never mind :-) |
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| 05:43.00 | SkareCrow | Arafangion: Why be so rude? |
| 05:43.03 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: Try installing grub to sd0. |
| 05:43.18 | SkareCrow | Arafangion: This is the second time its given me this error in the past 5 installs. The last install did not do this. |
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| 05:43.21 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: I am not rude - I forgot my smilies! :) |
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| 05:43.53 | Luria | get a dos boot floppy, run grub for dos and use the auto complete to get a list of partitions |
| 05:44.05 | Luria | its kinda handy |
| 05:44.12 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: If you install the exact same way each time, then perhaps you have a severely unreliable computer? |
| 05:44.32 | SkareCrow | well it never did this before, part of me wants to say its the CD |
| 05:44.53 | Luria | grub had a different partition numbering from lilo for some reason |
| 05:44.54 | SkareCrow | I had never had a problem before Etch, Sarge was my friend... |
| 05:44.56 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: That is actually somewhat possible, though CD issues usually result in more catastrophic errors. |
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| 05:45.02 | pickcoder | I'm guessing it's your MBR |
| 05:45.02 | Arafangion | Luria: Very good reasons. |
| 05:45.11 | Luria | SkareCrow, did you check the hash? |
| 05:45.12 | pickcoder | where did you install it? the MBR or /dev/<disk> |
| 05:45.14 | Arafangion | Luria: grub's an OS in it's own right. |
| 05:45.27 | SkareCrow | Luria: No |
| 05:45.31 | indraveni | pickcoder, i have just formatted my Usb as fat16 filesystem and copied my ISO image content into it |
| 05:45.34 | Luria | Arafangion, fair enough |
| 05:45.44 | indraveni | pickcoder, but while booting, grub loading error has come |
| 05:45.49 | Arafangion | Luria: It even has 'cat', and can read various file systems. :) |
| 05:45.53 | SkareCrow | I guess I will just skip the GRUB step and hope that its just a minor error and GRUB did in fact install and is working fine... |
| 05:46.00 | Luria | still, every os had them set the same, except grub |
| 05:46.02 | indraveni | pickcoder, i think this is because i dint make the usb as bootable device |
| 05:46.15 | pickcoder | indraveni: if grub loaded, then it booted |
| 05:46.37 | SkareCrow | if not I have SBM on a floppy, chances are I will be reinstalling again later any way... |
| 05:46.53 | pickcoder | you may have to go into grub command mode and see if it's having a problem finding the /boot |
| 05:46.55 | Luria | seriously, grub for dos is my new favorite tool....its how i got debian installed |
| 05:47.14 | SkareCrow | shit |
| 05:47.24 | SkareCrow | maybe something is wrong with my server, lol |
| 05:47.24 | Luria | on a system that could only boot from usb floppy |
| 05:47.50 | SkareCrow | you know the black screen that displays during boot up.. the one that shows memory testing and the proccessor and what not and you can enter the bios off of |
| 05:47.51 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: If you take that approach, consider doing some serious testing, and make sure you have a boot disk handy |
| 05:48.00 | SkareCrow | my server just kinda froze at that point |
| 05:48.11 | pickcoder | SkareCrow: check your cables |
| 05:48.12 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: Ok, that's a bit of a bad sign. |
| 05:48.15 | Luria | they should have better docs on installing from an iso image on a fat32 partition :-) |
| 05:48.25 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: Also check your CPU temp. |
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| 05:48.41 | SkareCrow | AfterDeath: Yea, it does this some times... Just rebooting seems to fix it though, but it shouldnt be a doing that... |
| 05:48.47 | SkareCrow | Oh shit, that would be a good idea |
| 05:49.06 | AfterDeath | what. |
| 05:49.08 | SkareCrow | I accidently pulled the plug on my server during a format the other day and it was telling me the temp and speed shit was changed |
| 05:49.10 | Luria | also could be voltage draw |
| 05:49.25 | Arafangion | Luria: Yeah, his PSU could be too low in wattage. |
| 05:49.53 | pickcoder | SkareCrow: just go into BIOS and reset it to factory settings |
| 05:50.10 | pickcoder | or use the clear-CMOS jumper |
| 05:50.12 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: And turn teh high temp alarm on if you can. |
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| 05:51.21 | Luria | i once had a machine (temporarily die) because a mat of my dog's hair somehow replaced the arctic silver between the cpu and fan. |
| 05:51.39 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 05:51.41 | Luria | err, move the right paren over |
| 05:51.49 | Arafangion | Luria: I once had a machine run consistently at 91 degrees celcius. :) |
| 05:51.50 | Luria | p4 2.4c |
| 05:52.02 | pickcoder | erm.. that can only happen if the heat sink isn't seated |
| 05:52.12 | Arafangion | pickcoder: Oh, it was properly seated. |
| 05:52.23 | pickcoder | I was talking about the pet heair |
| 05:52.24 | pickcoder | hair |
| 05:52.28 | SkareCrow | I once had a machine blow up and catch the house on fire resulting in 2 deaths of Beany and Frenzie |
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| 05:52.42 | Arafangion | pickcoder: But it was that crap intel fan where the blades are not 'protected'. - and it snagged an internal power cable somehow. |
| 05:52.44 | pickcoder | it probably would have blown up if you had used a stock thermal pad |
| 05:52.58 | indraveni | pickcoder, how can I load the grub? |
| 05:52.59 | Luria | somehow came back to life with a new application of silver |
| 05:53.04 | SkareCrow | Beany was my old Fedora box and Frenzie was my old win dev box |
| 05:53.18 | Arafangion | SkareCrow: Good, i thought you were talking about mortal entities. |
| 05:53.19 | pickcoder | Arafangion: yeah I've had wire catches before.. only once though. <g> |
| 05:53.34 | Luria | nah... shiba inu hair can penetrate the most secure defenses |
| 05:53.41 | SkareCrow | AfterDeath: lol, no... I was just kidding though.. Never had a computer blow up... Would suck though |
| 05:53.58 | indraveni | pickcoder, I created /boot/grub in my usb and copied my system grub contnts there |
| 05:54.34 | indraveni | pickcoder, then i tried to run the command grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/disk[sdb1] --no-floppy '(hd0)' |
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| 05:55.05 | pickcoder | indraveni: are you trying to make a portable boot disk or an install disk? |
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| 05:55.15 | indraveni | pickcoder, an install disk |
| 05:55.22 | pickcoder | just burn a CD |
| 05:55.35 | indraveni | pickcoder, i want install usb |
| 05:55.45 | pickcoder | did you read the USB guide? |
| 05:55.49 | SkareCrow | can you install debian over the network? |
| 05:55.54 | indraveni | yes |
| 05:55.58 | SkareCrow | like without a netinstall or cd or anything? |
| 05:56.04 | SkareCrow | well probally a floppy to get it running |
| 05:56.08 | SkareCrow | cause I am out of blank CD's |
| 05:56.16 | wols_ | yes you can SkareCrow. via netboot |
| 05:56.18 | indraveni | pickcoder, are you talkign about this ? http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 05:56.19 | pickcoder | SkareCrow: PXE net boot |
| 05:56.28 | Luria | http://www.skiandu.com/shiba_our/images/cariad_pic8.jpg |
| 05:56.35 | pickcoder | !tell indraveni about usb install |
| 05:56.39 | Luria | murder on my computers |
| 05:56.43 | SkareCrow | alright ima check that out, thanks |
| 05:59.00 | SkareCrow | !netboot |
| 05:59.01 | dpkg | i guess netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
| 05:59.43 | pickcoder | Luria: many of the cases I've bought recently have had air filters |
| 06:00.18 | pickcoder | SkareCrow: search Google for Debian PXE |
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| 06:00.34 | SkareCrow | thanks |
| 06:00.36 | pickcoder | !pxe |
| 06:00.36 | dpkg | i heard pxe is a network boot protocol. http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 06:00.42 | Luria | yeah, my thermaltake full armor has those. its an 11 bay case. its on a desk 4 feet off the floor. It's still a problem :-) |
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| 06:01.34 | SkareCrow | so how exactly does it work without going into to much detail |
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| 06:01.45 | pickcoder | your network card loads stuff off another server |
| 06:01.57 | SkareCrow | you download the netinstall iso, have it on a computer on the network, boot into PXE and tell it where the ISO is? |
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| 06:03.39 | pickcoder | SkareCrow: I've never personally booted it |
| 06:04.04 | pickcoder | considering the amount of installs I've done recently, I plan on setting it up sometime soon |
| 06:04.17 | pickcoder | the farm is growing at work |
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| 06:05.18 | troubled | pickcoder: fai is decent for stuff like that perhaps? |
| 06:05.38 | pickcoder | I don't want an auto installer |
| 06:05.50 | pickcoder | I just don't want to have to search for a CD everytime I need to install it |
| 06:06.04 | troubled | ah |
| 06:06.11 | pickcoder | or burn a new one because I scratched the only copy |
| 06:06.28 | qiyong | how to find out the memory chip set info? |
| 06:06.39 | troubled | definetly pxe than |
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| 06:08.14 | Luria | pxe for a network with a reliable server... but im liking the emergency fat32 partition approach |
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| 06:08.29 | Luria | saved me with my notebook |
| 06:08.55 | troubled | Luria: but what do you do when you loose the whole hd? |
| 06:09.11 | Luria | i have to pull the hd |
| 06:09.21 | Luria | or use a floppy distrib and ftp the iso |
| 06:09.31 | Luria | after format |
| 06:09.56 | pickcoder | if I need to reach for a rescue disk, my world will fall to shambles regardless of PXE |
| 06:10.01 | troubled | i still like the pxe approach if you dont have older nic's that dont support it |
| 06:10.01 | Luria | but ive hosed my mbr 20 times in the last week and was able to survive |
| 06:10.41 | Luria | like i said, pxe is fine for a networked machine on a reliable network |
| 06:10.47 | Luria | its better even |
| 06:10.58 | pickcoder | I need some way to backup all my boxen |
| 06:11.18 | pickcoder | without having to setup a 10TB monster |
| 06:11.18 | Luria | please dont say boxen. |
| 06:11.25 | Luria | }:-) |
| 06:11.49 | troubled | pickcoder: not sure how amanda is doing these days, but i think it does client->server backups |
| 06:12.23 | pickcoder | hm |
| 06:12.42 | Luria | anyone using xfce and graphically and reliably hibernating? |
| 06:12.47 | troubled | pickcoder: unfortunately, there isnt much you can do to avoid that if you have 10TB of data to backup :) unless you dont mind backups in a peer fashion and spread them across the clients |
| 06:13.08 | Luria | i dont like how xfce applets tend to be info only |
| 06:13.12 | troubled | pickcoder: that doesnt protect much against a network worm if you loose all the clients though |
| 06:13.20 | pickcoder | I'd rather pay for drives instead of taking up space that I don't have |
| 06:13.40 | pickcoder | free space is getting low |
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| 06:15.36 | bullgard4 | Why does my kernel 2.6.20-generic need the two modules ata-piix (SCSI low-level driver for Intel PIIX/ICH ATA controllers) and ahci (Advanced Host Controller Interface SATA low level driver) although I have only one hard drive? |
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| 06:19.48 | troubled | bullgard4: it goes by the chipsets/features it detects, not by the drives your actually using |
| 06:20.12 | troubled | ianw-away: turn that off in here plz |
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| 06:21.32 | SerajewelKS | when i try to run X, i get this error: X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 06:21.40 | bullgard4 | troubled: I suspect that the chips on my laptop persuaded the kernel to load both drivers. But are both necessary in my case of having only one hard drive? |
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| 06:21.49 | SerajewelKS | but my Xwrapper.config does specify allowed_users=console so i'm not sure what the problem is |
| 06:22.49 | SerajewelKS | all i can figure is that for some reason X doesn't think that gnome-terminal qualifies as a console |
| 06:22.51 | troubled | bullgard4: if your case no, you can remove the one you dont want i suppose. although its probably using very little resources, and the memory fragmentation would not be recoverable anyways |
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| 06:23.36 | troubled | bullgard4: what is your hd? pata? |
| 06:24.04 | SerajewelKS | but running it from a VT does work... wtf? |
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| 06:25.02 | bullgard4 | troubled: Samsung MP0804H (YS20) |
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| 06:25.23 | bony | i have some problems with compiz fusion were can i get help? |
| 06:25.30 | troubled | bullgard4: i dont know what that is. is it pata or sata? |
| 06:26.03 | troubled | bony what distro? |
| 06:26.25 | bony | i am using debian sid |
| 06:27.06 | qiyong | how to find out memory chip set frequency? |
| 06:27.07 | bony | i installed fusion some effects are working like fire paint and all but effects related to window's are not working |
| 06:27.12 | troubled | bony: well, this is the place. just state your problem, paste your error and wait for a response. Although sid support is rather limited sometimes |
| 06:27.13 | bony | i can't see window boarder |
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| 06:29.25 | troubled | bony: just hang around, ask every 30-60minutes and hope for the best. I don't really do X, let alone sid or compiz. sorry |
| 06:30.16 | bony | troubled, its ok i am trying to sort out the problem in ubuntu-effects though if i could get some help even in here |
| 06:30.18 | bony | :-) |
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| 06:30.37 | troubled | bony: while you wait, have you considered that it might be a known bug in sid? it is unstable after all |
| 06:31.40 | troubled | bony: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437009 |
| 06:32.16 | troubled | hmmm, whats the dpkg syntax for bug reports anyways? |
| 06:32.24 | wols_ | bony: #ubuntu-efffects. we don't support ubuntu. not even #ubunu supports your problem (which is very much known btw) |
| 06:32.33 | wols_ | !reportbug |
| 06:32.33 | dpkg | [reportbug] used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 06:32.39 | troubled | thanks |
| 06:32.52 | troubled | oh wait, wrong one :) |
| 06:33.16 | troubled | wols_: do you know the factoid to show the summary by bug # in the channel? |
| 06:33.34 | hark | dbugs # |
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| 06:33.41 | troubled | thanks hark |
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| 06:33.55 | troubled | !dbugs 437009 |
| 06:33.55 | dpkg | DONE:#437009:I[compiz] No window borders in latest Compiz; Fri, 10 Aug 2007 04:21:02 UTC |
| 06:34.02 | SerajewelKS | compiz fusion isn't even in debian |
| 06:34.08 | hark | yeah, but he's not running compiz |
| 06:34.14 | yigal | troubled: I like it, thats how I like a window manager without borders |
| 06:34.18 | troubled | good point |
| 06:34.31 | troubled | SerajewelKS: its not in sid yet? i know its not in etch, thus why i asked distro |
| 06:34.48 | yigal | troubled: you mean experimental? |
| 06:35.14 | Arafangion | yigal: I sometimes wonder what getting paid to teach IT could be like. ;) |
| 06:35.49 | troubled | yigal: ya, i figured theres a chance compiz-fusion is in sid since we only have compiz in etch |
| 06:35.58 | SerajewelKS | compiz 0.5.2 is in sid, i'm not sure if that's fusion or not |
| 06:36.29 | yigal | Arafangion: to be paid to solve problems and help others what a novel idea |
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| 06:36.48 | troubled | SerajewelKS: no idea, but I would assume they would name it according to upstream now that its merged |
| 06:36.51 | yigal | Arafangion: :) |
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| 06:37.25 | troubled | yigal: at least when its free support you cant be sued for incorrect answers ;) |
| 06:37.38 | wols_ | hark: he's not even running debian it seems |
| 06:37.52 | Arafangion | troubled: I'm thinking of "community" support. |
| 06:37.59 | yigal | do we have an ubuntu in here? |
| 06:38.06 | yigal | :) |
| 06:38.23 | troubled | wols_: he specifically said: 02:26 < bony> i am using debian sid |
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| 06:38.48 | Arafangion | yigal: Ubuntu questions go to #ubuntu, but I hear that many debian devs also target ubuntu - #ubuntu tends to be very newbish, so we send those people there. |
| 06:38.57 | troubled | wols_: unless he's lying through his teeth, i have to give him a benifit of the doubt at least dont i? :) |
| 06:39.22 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: no, we send people who ask ubuntu-related questions here to #ubuntu. |
| 06:39.25 | troubled | wols_: the line you seen about ubuntu effects was him stating he was asking in there as well |
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| 06:39.43 | yigal | Arafangion: I agree, I go to #ubuntu when I want to see if I can help 3-5 people simultaneously, its good work to learn speed typing. |
| 06:39.43 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Yeah, "those" people. :) |
| 06:40.04 | Arafangion | yigal: It's too much work :( Maybe I should do so if I want to get used to the colmak keyboard layout... |
| 06:40.12 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:40.29 | troubled | moin |
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| 06:40.38 | xjkx | how to help on translating? |
| 06:40.46 | hark | wols_: seems like sid + ubuntu's packages, even better ;) |
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| 06:41.57 | yigal | Arafangion: do you think it is theoretically and practically better than Dvorak? |
| 06:43.14 | Arafangion | yigal: Definetly. |
| 06:43.47 | SerajewelKS | asking people which keyboard layout is better is like asking which linux distro is better |
| 06:44.03 | Arafangion | yigal: It seems more "comfortable", theoretically faster, and is much easier to learn for a qwerty user. |
| 06:44.03 | SerajewelKS | you're going to get a billion heavily-biased answers about everyone's pet layout |
| 06:44.05 | yigal | Arafangion: I will have to check it out. I am pretty addicted to qwerty but I do enough typing to invest in a more efficient method |
| 06:44.42 | Arafangion | yigal: If you're after efficiency, stop there, you're not going to be happy. The way to approach such layouts is to find something which is just as fast - but more /comfortable/. |
| 06:44.57 | Arafangion | yigal: Better actual keyboads help. |
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| 06:45.01 | yigal | SerajewelKS: I don't think thats correct, qwerty was invented to intentionally slow down typists |
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| 06:45.15 | Coweater | hunt and peck typists... |
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| 06:45.20 | SerajewelKS | yigal: what does qwerty have to do with my statement |
| 06:45.25 | SerajewelKS | yigal: i use dvorak |
| 06:45.29 | wols_ | SerajewelKS: so there is a objective and reproducible solution to that problem as well? cause we all knew the best linux distro by far is debian, duh! |
| 06:45.45 | SerajewelKS | wols_: heh, right on :) |
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| 06:46.05 | yigal | SerajewelKS: you see :) |
| 06:46.14 | SerajewelKS | yigal: i'm just saying i've seen *more* fierce discussion over keyboard layout than just about anything but emacs vs vi |
| 06:46.37 | yigal | SerajewelKS: Lisp vs. Haskel ? |
| 06:46.39 | Arafangion | yigal: For example, I dislike the classic membrane keyboards that are commonly used - I type best on 'sissors-style' keyboards (aka laptops, but full-size), and I'm saving for a buckling spring or mechanical keyboard. |
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| 06:46.41 | SerajewelKS | yigal: and it seems far more based on "i like it" than "it's better because of x,y,z" |
| 06:46.52 | Arafangion | yigal: Possibly the Daz KeyboardII. |
| 06:47.30 | Coweater | saving? find a model m in a dump or something |
| 06:47.33 | SerajewelKS | i do find laptop-style keyboards more comfortable.. i might get one before going back to college tomorrow |
| 06:47.39 | Arafangion | Coweater: Haha, not in Australia. |
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| 06:47.50 | Arafangion | Coweater: Such keyboards are rare, in any condition here. |
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| 06:48.32 | SerajewelKS | i started dvorak a little over a year ago and it *sucked* for several months |
| 06:48.35 | Arafangion | Coweater: And importing one costs nearly as much as buying one in the first place (then you have to import it, as well...). |
| 06:48.44 | Arafangion | Coweater: So I might as well get a brand new one when I can. |
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| 06:48.50 | SerajewelKS | now when i use qwerty i can feel my tendons inflaming with every stroke |
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| 06:49.18 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Well, the colmak is much faster in that fashion. |
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| 06:49.22 | yigal | SerajewelKS Arafangion: do either of you use other languages other than English on your typewriter? |
| 06:49.35 | yigal | excuse me s/typewriter/keyboard I'm tired |
| 06:49.39 | SerajewelKS | yigal: that would assume knowledge of another language :) |
| 06:49.44 | Arafangion | yigal: No. |
| 06:49.52 | Arafangion | yigal: Other than greek... ;) |
| 06:50.03 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: yes but is it as efficient once learned? |
| 06:50.05 | Arafangion | yigal: Greek symbols, anyway - I use latex escapes for that. :) |
| 06:50.12 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Should be about the same. |
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| 06:50.47 | SerajewelKS | my only gripe with alternate layouts is the breakage of keyboard shortcuts, as well as coding can be harder ({} are not so well placed with dvorak) |
| 06:50.54 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Though, when I tried it, I had to make a few changes - primarily swapping caps with ctrl (caps is such a STUPID key!), but I haven't had the opportunity to learn it properly yet - too damn busy at uuni :( |
| 06:51.06 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: colmak specifically preserves zxcv. |
| 06:51.23 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: And also the []{}'s. |
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| 06:51.43 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Actually, I think it moves those, but in any case, it keeps the associated brackets and symbols together. |
| 06:51.45 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: {} didn't move too much in dvorak but i wish it was moved closer |
| 06:52.23 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: I suggest you do some research on it, ok? :) If you're already used to dvorak, you might as well stick to it, though. |
| 06:52.25 | xjkx | how to help on translating? |
| 06:52.38 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: hell yes, i'm not learning a third layout |
| 06:52.40 | yigal | I think from a theoretical pov dvorak is much nicer |
| 06:52.49 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: colmak is difficult to use on commercial systems. |
| 06:53.20 | yigal | just logic in the mind 123..26 but colmak obviously works |
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| 06:53.44 | yigal | with the fingers |
| 06:53.46 | SerajewelKS | i don't think the particular layout is as important as how it feels for you |
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| 06:54.01 | harpal | I am compiling kernel and I got error while compiling fs/proc/proc_misc.0 |
| 06:54.14 | SerajewelKS | and i can't say that dvorak is the best but i can say it's a truckload nicer than qwerty |
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| 06:54.25 | SerajewelKS | plus every major OS supports it |
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| 06:54.30 | DragoraN | hi |
| 06:54.50 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: That is definetly not the case with colmak, particularly with windows. |
| 06:54.52 | DragoraN | is it possible to push back pop3 messages accidentaly downloaded and deleted from pop3 server? |
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| 06:55.14 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: not unless you're talking about some really weird-ass pop3 server |
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| 06:55.34 | DragoraN | :( |
| 06:55.39 | DragoraN | goddamit |
| 06:55.52 | DragoraN | what can i do? |
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| 06:56.10 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: tell your friend you didn't mean to read his email and hope he doesn't kick you to the curb? |
| 06:56.11 | Arafangion | (Such as gmail. ;) ) |
| 06:56.32 | DragoraN | no, its common mailbox for support team |
| 06:56.56 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: if you don't need the mail headers verbatim, forward it to the address |
| 06:57.06 | DragoraN | i need headers :( |
| 06:57.13 | SerajewelKS | then you are fucked |
| 06:57.37 | SerajewelKS | your only option is to take a copy to your mail server admin and see if he can put it back in |
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| 06:58.29 | Arafangion | ALternatively, the IT staff could be notified, and the customer in question be asked to resend the email.. |
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| 07:00.43 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: that would involve admitting a mistake though :) |
| 07:01.11 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: For DragoraN, or for the company? |
| 07:01.24 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: either/both |
| 07:01.35 | DragoraN | company |
| 07:01.55 | Arafangion | DragoraN: Suggest that the company fabricate a story. |
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| 07:02.35 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: btw if you forward it as an attachment it will preserve the headers in the attachment |
| 07:02.48 | SerajewelKS | but not in the outer envelope |
| 07:02.49 | Arafangion | DragoraN: And take the opportunity to ensure better auditing, logging, and backup of such important messages. |
| 07:02.57 | SkareCrow | woot finally |
| 07:02.58 | DragoraN | 300MB of e-mails |
| 07:03.03 | SkareCrow | got Debian installed and the ATI driver installed |
| 07:03.11 | SkareCrow | now time to try and get XGL + Compiz Fusion installed |
| 07:03.11 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: wow |
| 07:03.23 | DragoraN | lots of attachments :( |
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| 07:03.45 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: yeah i'd be taking them to your email server admin and see if he can't put them in the queue |
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| 07:04.37 | DragoraN | SerajewelKS: Telefonica Soluciones ? |
| 07:04.57 | SerajewelKS | DragoraN: err... yeah, i don't think you have an easy out here |
| 07:05.06 | DragoraN | :( |
| 07:06.35 | Arafangion | DragoraN: I would also suggest that they should send all emails to a backup server simultaniously as a record, but you might not be in a position to make that suggestion. |
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| 07:07.00 | DragoraN | yeah |
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| 07:08.42 | [Bart] | hi, I'm again receiving the "xcb_xlib_unlock: Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed."error when starting java programs. Anybody knows what to do now? I'm running Debian unstable |
| 07:10.11 | geo-rge | read the source, determine what the assertion is indicating, determine how to fix, do so, test, repeat until fixed, submit bug report with fix |
| 07:11.33 | indu | I am trying to create debian install usb |
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| 07:11.57 | indu | the is , os which installs from usb stick and thus followed the http://d-i.pascal.at/ documentation |
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| 07:12.39 | [Bart] | geo-rge: the jave program isn't not opensource. Even then, all java programs have this issue |
| 07:12.48 | indu | but, while i am extracting the boot.img.gz content into the usb using the zcat command, its taking nearly 760 MB of space elaving only 222 mb of space for me to load the ISO image of 640 Mb which is not possible |
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| 07:16.38 | hark | [Bart]: did you install packages from experimental? |
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| 07:17.54 | vanksi | is it possible to change file persmissions so that only 2 users can access the document, even tho there's no group that has only those 2 users? |
| 07:18.30 | SerajewelKS | vanksi: if they each have their own group, then set one to the user and one to the group and chmod 660 |
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| 07:23.51 | indu | is there only one way for me to use higher size of usb stick ? |
| 07:23.55 | indu | help needed please |
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| 07:28.45 | liable | !moo |
| 07:28.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 07:28.45 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 07:29.01 | liable | !hi |
| 07:29.01 | dpkg | hello, liable |
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| 07:29.59 | [Bart] | hark: as far as I know not. |
| 07:30.00 | garo | I'm searching something to see how much networktraffic each user generates, the problem is that i can't use ipt_owner because the system is a vps so i can't load that module. Does someone know a other solution ? |
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| 07:32.58 | [Bart] | hark: at which package are you thinking? |
| 07:33.06 | hark | [Bart]: ok, but i dn't think we've moved to xcb yet in sid... well anyway there's a hack for it |
| 07:33.40 | [Bart] | hark: and what is the hack? |
| 07:33.56 | xjkx | how to help on translating? |
| 07:34.28 | hark | [Bart]: sed -i 's/XINERAMA/FAKEEXTN/g' /usr/lib/jvm/java-WHATEVER/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so |
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| 07:34.50 | hark | backup the file if you want to |
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| 07:36.58 | [Bart] | hark: didn't help a lot I'm afraid :S |
| 07:37.58 | hark | [Bart]: same error? |
| 07:38.06 | [Bart] | hark: yep |
| 07:38.32 | [Bart] | hark : did it on all my jvm instance, so it's applied on all of them :) |
| 07:38.42 | [Bart] | 1,$s/instance/instances/g |
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| 07:39.51 | [Bart] | strings /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.02/jre/lib/i386/xawt/libmawt.so | grep FAKEEX => FAKEEXTN so it was applied correctly |
| 07:40.13 | hark | http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373 |
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| 07:41.08 | dacs | hi all |
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| 07:42.17 | dacs | i have a question that is buging me, often i see people here compile thier own kernel...why would someone want to do that when there is a kernel that is already running on the system |
| 07:42.46 | [Bart] | brolare :) |
| 07:42.48 | hark | !dbugs 402165 |
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| 07:42.51 | dpkg | #402165:G[sun-java5-bin] sun-java5-bin: Broken locking causes assertion failure with Xlib/XCB when Xinerama available; Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:03:07 UTC |
| 07:43.23 | hark | !why custom |
| 07:44.31 | liable | dacs: the usual reason that people do is hardware support. |
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| 07:44.56 | liable | to try a new driver or new part of the kernel thats not yet implemented in the stock debian ones |
| 07:45.25 | liable | others just like to for other reasons of their own |
| 07:45.34 | liable | s/other// |
| 07:45.55 | dacs | liable: thank you |
| 07:46.14 | hark | !custom kernel |
| 07:46.14 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 07:46.15 | liable | dacs: most people have no need to at all |
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| 07:46.58 | hark | [Bart]: i'm afraid that's the only known fix afaik |
| 07:47.20 | geo-rge | dacs: the usual reasons include smaller, faster, the need for certain drivers and features, etc |
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| 07:47.51 | geo-rge | debian folks don't like it when people compile their own kernel, so they discourage it |
| 07:48.52 | dacs | geo-rge: nice, since i don't know how ... i will support Debian folks :) |
| 07:48.53 | geo-rge | one of the better reasons to do so, is because you can |
| 07:49.04 | liable | its not that we dont like it, its that we dont like having to explain what they need to do when they do it |
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| 07:49.55 | geo-rge | liable: but that's true for a whole hell of a lot more than just compiling a kernel :) |
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| 07:50.22 | liable | geo-rge: yes, its true for most things when people dont do their homework ;) |
| 07:50.49 | Bogus8 | ok, I msg'd dpkg about sed and read some pages and I can do "grep <string> /var/log/apache2/access.log |sed -n '$p'" and it gives me the last of the matches... but sed can do it all by itself.. how do I do that? |
| 07:51.00 | Bogus8 | I've tried about 20 different things and couldn't figure it out |
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| 07:52.26 | Bogus8 | in the end what I REALLY want is to take that last line and pull out JUST the ip... so basically cut out everything after the first space would work... but I don't really get sed very well :( |
| 07:52.40 | liable | #sed |
| 07:53.46 | Bogus8 | awe poo :p |
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| 07:54.23 | St3rnchen | hi |
| 07:54.47 | St3rnchen | can someone help me whit badblocks ? i need to resume my output file |
| 07:54.49 | troubled | Bogus8: i would strongly advise against a sed only solution. tail -n1 filename | to cut or sed would be best |
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| 07:55.25 | Bogus8 | troubled: can't just tail as it might be high up in the log.. but grep works... but why not sed only? |
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| 07:57.59 | DavidProck1981 | what is hte package that lets u read encrypted dvd's |
| 07:58.19 | DavidProck1981 | like your avrage store bought dvd |
| 07:58.41 | troubled | Bogus8: why sed only is a better question |
| 07:59.02 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: not in debian. cannot be |
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| 07:59.08 | Bogus8 | troubled: you said you advise "against" sed only |
| 07:59.15 | Bogus8 | why |
| 07:59.18 | wols_ | libdvdcss is in marillat's repo |
| 07:59.20 | troubled | Bogus8: you said the last line, tail would accomplish that. but if you already know what your looking for then its different |
| 07:59.23 | wols_ | !css |
| 07:59.24 | dpkg | CSS DVD security lock see http://livid.on.openprojects.net/ for more information, or cascading style sheets, or http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ or http://www.webreference.com/html/tutorials/ |
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| 07:59.40 | Bogus8 | troubled: ah, last line of the grep results |
| 08:00.09 | liable | theres also the script in libdvdread3's docs |
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| 08:01.05 | troubled | Bogus8: in that case, grep your lines | tail -n1 | awk '{print $?}' (where $? is a field number) |
| 08:01.06 | vlt | Hello. I want to connect a Debian server to a UPS (from APC). For connecting via /dev/ttyS0 there deem to be two packages available: "apcupsd" and "nut". Any reccommendations for one of these? |
| 08:01.10 | SkareCrow | anyone here running XGL? |
| 08:01.10 | DavidProck1981 | wols_ huh i have it installed but i cant get mplayer to play a dvd |
| 08:01.22 | vlt | s/deem/seem |
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| 08:01.47 | SkareCrow | trying to find an amd64 package of xserver-xgl |
| 08:01.51 | SkareCrow | for etch |
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| 08:02.17 | Bogus8 | troubled: ah.. I hadn't looked at awk... I thought sed was essentially the same |
| 08:02.19 | Alonader | hi, i was trying to find opera-amd64 but i failed :) |
| 08:02.28 | troubled | Bogus8: i suppose you could go with a sed only solution though if you don't mind unwieldly regex's and your the only one who will ever need to read it though :) I would prefer perl in that case myself though, little more flexible than sed imho |
| 08:03.25 | Alonader | vlt: www.networkupstools.com |
| 08:03.40 | Bogus8 | troubled: well, it would only be used to grab that last line then cut that first field out.... but your method will be easier to read later... it's simpler to undrstand for me up front too ;) |
| 08:03.44 | troubled | Bogus8: awk, sed, perl grep(with regex's) can all do basically the same stuff i suppose. i find pipes and combinations of tools to be more rapid for getting what you want |
| 08:04.21 | Bogus8 | Alonader: yeah, I tried the same... you can install the 32bit libraries and use the 32bit version... it was months ago when I tried so things may have changed |
| 08:04.42 | troubled | Bogus8: if your only taking out one field, then you would probably want cut instead of awk. awk quicker when you want only 1 field. cut when you want all but 1 field |
| 08:04.53 | Bogus8 | troubled: I usually use pipes also... I just feel like sometime I'm being "hackish" when I do too much with them ;) |
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| 08:05.28 | Bogus8 | troubled: no, I WANT one field, awk will be perfect... that line exactly is perfect actually |
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| 08:05.29 | troubled | Bogus8: nah, there all installed on a default box these days and its good to be familiar with all of them in a general sense I would think. |
| 08:06.18 | Bogus8 | troubled: I just meant I felt like it was hackish when I used "simple" versions of what I knew and strung them together vs learning "the right way" to do something |
| 08:06.19 | Alonader | Bogus8: opera 9.5 will be released in 64bit version but thats still a long way |
| 08:06.36 | troubled | Bogus8: take a look around at some scripts though. you will find most dev's use cut/sed/awk/grep/tail/head/perl togethere instead of stupid archaic 20 line long regex's (regex only get worse via command line due to escaping requirements) |
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| 08:07.10 | Bogus8 | Alonader: that will be cool.. I'm content not using my 64bit machine with linux till then ;) |
| 08:07.32 | Bogus8 | troubled: I HATE regex and regex hates me :) |
| 08:07.48 | troubled | Bogus8: but if your goal isnt to get it running in 10 seconds with a few pipes and 3 or 4 commands, but instead you want to learn regex better, then perhaps sed/perl would be a better learning experience |
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| 08:07.57 | danf_1979 | cut/sed/awk/grep/tail/head/python |
| 08:08.01 | Alonader | yeah i wont use 64bit os for a couple of years |
| 08:08.24 | Bogus8 | troubled: Umm, I start off with the latter then I get fed up and just want to get it done usually |
| 08:08.39 | troubled | Bogus8: your looking for something like: sed 's/text to grep (text to keep)/\1/' or similar depending on multiline matches etc |
| 08:08.45 | musikgoat | hi, getting this http://rafb.net/p/eVK1VH81.nln.html when running apt-get update for first time after etch install, I tried running apt-key update and adding the gpg key's manually, any suggestions on what to do, change repo's? |
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| 08:09.05 | dacs | when i am working in my shell how can i use colors please |
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| 08:09.21 | Bogus8 | troubled: I'll take a look at that |
| 08:09.33 | danf_1979 | dacs, $LS_COLORS, .bashrc |
| 08:10.04 | danf_1979 | $LS_OPTIONS I mean :p |
| 08:10.55 | dacs | danf_1979: -bash: ,: command not found |
| 08:11.47 | danf_1979 | edit .bashrc |
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| 08:12.17 | dacs | danf_1979: ? what i am putting there |
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| 08:12.45 | dacs | oh i see what you mean now |
| 08:13.00 | dacs | remove the comments , right? |
| 08:13.20 | danf_1979 | yup |
| 08:14.09 | troubled | Bogus8: on a final note, i will say this. while sed can get extremly complex and capable of anything you can imagine, I would say learning to that extent would be a silly idea. The time spent learning it that well you could have learned perl that much as well, and I don't know how many companies out there would ever be looking for a "sed programmer" as opposed to a perl one :) |
| 08:14.15 | dacs | i know this might be a dump question , but how can i restart .bashrc |
| 08:14.36 | musikgoat | logout and log back in |
| 08:14.38 | Bogus8 | troubled: lol... true |
| 08:14.48 | Bogus8 | troubled: hey, that awk line didn't work... complained about the ? |
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| 08:15.01 | danf_1979 | run 'bash' |
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| 08:15.28 | troubled | Bogus8: the "?"? dont recall one in there. paste your line |
| 08:15.30 | Bogus8 | ah ? should be a number like 1 if I want the first field right? |
| 08:16.03 | dacs | danf_1979: now, what are those colors mean |
| 08:16.06 | troubled | Bogus8: ahh ya. so $1 would be the first field (seperated by a space, unless you specify an alternate FS (field seperator)) |
| 08:16.14 | Bogus8 | troubled: I didn't completely read what you said... you said ? meant a number of the field... my bad |
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| 08:16.30 | danf_1979 | dacs, ls -l and find out |
| 08:16.37 | troubled | Bogus8: you can do stuff like: '{print $1;print $5}' too |
| 08:16.37 | wsdo_okadr | I had this player from console Mocp |
| 08:16.44 | wsdo_okadr | I wanted to see where it stores its default playlist |
| 08:16.45 | Bogus8 | troubled: I found it in the man file then went to copy your line to show you and saw that I misread it |
| 08:16.51 | wsdo_okadr | so I used strace |
| 08:16.56 | wsdo_okadr | strace mocp |
| 08:16.58 | Bogus8 | troubled: good to know... hopefully it will stick ;) |
| 08:17.01 | wsdo_okadr | and it gave me lots of stuff |
| 08:17.03 | troubled | Bogus8: awk is another example of something that went too far, its almost as bad as sed :) |
| 08:17.04 | vlt | Alonader: Thanks. |
| 08:17.09 | wsdo_okadr | and I couldn't store the messages anywhere |
| 08:17.12 | dacs | danf_1979: i want to know what does red mean and what is yellow |
| 08:17.13 | wsdo_okadr | to be able to analyse them |
| 08:17.25 | wsdo_okadr | to track down the file from wich it read stuff |
| 08:17.25 | erik2066 | How can I make Evolution mail client be in ONLINE mode by default, at start-up ? Now I have to go to the mein menu file-> work online do connect to the mail server. I don't want that. In GNOME, I have in properties launcher "evolution --online --component=mail", but that does not do it... |
| 08:17.28 | Bogus8 | troubled: I got a few scripts that I'm working on so I'll probably be using it a good bit for a little while... maybe it will stick then |
| 08:17.36 | wsdo_okadr | How can one store somewhere the output of strace ? |
| 08:18.27 | erik2066 | wsdo_okadr: with output redirection ? |
| 08:18.38 | k-man__ | how do i tell dnsmasq to report a particular hostname for a reverse lookup? |
| 08:18.45 | vlt | Is there an option in "losetup" (or similar tool) to concatenate several files and create one block device? |
| 08:18.51 | k-man__ | ie, given ip address x.y.z.a, return hostname blah.com |
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| 08:19.17 | wsdo_okadr | erik2066: i tried &2>bla.txt |
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| 08:19.20 | wsdo_okadr | and it didnt work |
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| 08:20.30 | erik2066 | wsdo_okadr: strace >output.txt or so ? |
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| 08:20.41 | wsdo_okadr | erik2066: it don't work |
| 08:20.46 | wsdo_okadr | erik2066: already tried |
| 08:22.04 | erik2066 | wsdo_okadr: hm... saw it yes.. sorry. I'm not much help |
| 08:22.05 | troubled | wsdo_okadr: strace <foo bar args> 2>&1 | tee somefile |
| 08:22.52 | troubled | wsdo_okadr: well, you dont have to use tee of course, but its nice to see it as it logs if you arent familiar with it |
| 08:23.40 | Bogus8 | nice, my simple little script greps the ip address of one of my clients machines out of the apache2 log and then ssh's into the box... beautiful... thanks troubled |
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| 08:24.57 | troubled | wsdo_okadr: just remember, you have to redirect stdout before stderr, ie: cmd > foo 2>&1, not cmd 2>&1 > blah |
| 08:25.30 | k-man__ | im trying to set up dnsmasq, and its mostly working, but when I ping a local address by name, it takes a long time, but ping -n localname is fast as normal |
| 08:25.48 | troubled | Bogus8: np |
| 08:26.42 | Bogus8 | troubled: I'm sure you know this trick but if you have a box with a dynamic ip you can put a script that wget's a file off a server of yours once a day which basically updates you with the IP when you needed |
| 08:27.20 | Bogus8 | obviously that can be taken futher to do some ip checking more often on the client machine and update as soon as it notices it's different but I can risk it as it rarely changes |
| 08:27.21 | troubled | Bogus8: if your looking for event/(re)action based log parser, theres a good solution called "swatch". you can plug in regex's and have it follow log files, display them colord to screen, drop what you dont wanna see, beep on some, email on others, and even run commands. probably handle what your doing just fine |
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| 08:28.12 | Bogus8 | troubled: that is of interest... but for this purpose I just need to make sure I got the right IP when I ssh into it... I don't do it that often really |
| 08:28.23 | troubled | Bogus8: there are already some scripts to handle dyndns stuff for you, but its a little different than just finding out your external ip and doing something with it i suppose |
| 08:29.31 | Bogus8 | troubled: yeah, I got an example that a buddy in NZ wrote for his house... I use dyndns.org and my router does mine |
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| 08:30.15 | troubled | k-man__: dns resolve issue by sounds of it. i assume its a localnet (read rfc1918) ip and you dont have dns setup? |
| 08:30.28 | Bogus8 | this is simple and effecient... if I need it and my script hasn't updated I can just have someone at the location go to whatsmyip or whatever those sites are |
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| 08:31.29 | troubled | Bogus8: i did use the router route, but i like some of the dyndns scripts for my box since they can trigger events as well usually. problem being that dyndns blocks dns to you if you do too many requests in a short time, causing mysterious failures until you throttle back |
| 08:32.15 | Bogus8 | troubled: well, dd-wrt doesn't cause unwarranted updates |
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| 08:33.22 | troubled | Bogus8: well, worded wrong perhaps, they dont block dns per se, but block frequent ip/update checks of sorts for scripts that just blindly update every 5 minutes or so. it seems more than 1 check per 30 minutes starts incrimenting a counter, after so many they block on you somehow. forget the details, but 1/30min seems to be the sweet spot |
| 08:34.17 | Bogus8 | oh yeah... that is the reason I abandoned the script route... it was supposed to only update upon the change of the IP but it would fuck up and do it too often |
| 08:34.19 | troubled | although i really do need to just trigger it on ip change via pppoe's .d scripts |
| 08:34.40 | troubled | on the TODO as usual ;) |
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| 08:35.03 | Bogus8 | I'd watch the script and watch it fuck up and just looked at it puzzled... I might have just been to green to figure it out but it didn't make any sense |
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| 08:36.41 | erik2066 | How can I quickly eject a cdrom, from GNOME, without having to open a terminal and umount etcetera? Is there an eject button anywhere in the GNOME interface ? |
| 08:36.49 | troubled | Bogus8: a better solution for you if your route already has the ip in a web interface would be to wget that page by supplying the login info to wget and then parse out the ip as needed perhaps |
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| 08:38.03 | Bogus8 | troubled: that is what one of them does... but I think I had issues snatching it out... lack of sed/awk ability ;) |
| 08:38.23 | Bogus8 | but dyndns gives you a page that gives you your IP very easily |
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| 08:39.07 | troubled | theres always that approach, assuming the page is up though |
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| 08:39.34 | troubled | i prefer the router approach better since your router will always know your ip with complete accuracy |
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| 08:40.21 | troubled | Bogus8: that, or go my route and just use the router as a glorified switch and use linux as a router/firewall :) |
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| 08:41.02 | Bogus8 | troubled: I did that with a windows box for a long time.. I didn't trust routers... way more trouble than it's worth for my home ;) |
| 08:41.03 | troubled | my router is an outdated piece of junk tbh. susceptable to so many acctacks its pathetic |
| 08:41.05 | vlt | Where can I see on which cpu a process is running? |
| 08:41.19 | Bogus8 | troubled: hardware router? |
| 08:41.34 | troubled | Bogus8: it is yes |
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| 08:42.18 | troubled | Bogus8: my isp seems to think its ok to allow 192.168.x.x etc ips to my ip. and my router was dumb enough to allow them through. obviously, this defeats any ip based security on my internal net |
| 08:42.27 | Bogus8 | troubled: how old? what sort of security issues... though that seems like I'm looking to hack you ;) |
| 08:42.40 | Bogus8 | wow |
| 08:42.52 | Bogus8 | fucking genious routers they have set up |
| 08:42.58 | Bogus8 | is it cable? |
| 08:43.03 | troubled | Bogus8: dsl |
| 08:43.06 | Bogus8 | wow |
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| 08:43.57 | troubled | Bell canada to be exact. whats worst, theres frequent slammer worms comming in from a 10.x.x.x ip on a regular basis |
| 08:44.01 | Bogus8 | at least with cable I might would assume it was on some sort of switch system and not routed till futher down the node |
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| 08:45.41 | troubled | Bogus8: well, to be fair, a cable company to hack you easy with the same packets since most people allow 192.168 ips past their firewalls assuming they would never come down the internet pipe. of course older routers like mine have no concept of martian packets arriving on an interface that shouldnt be allowed. thus linux is a better solution since its always upto date against such attacks and more versatle |
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| 08:46.31 | troubled | mind you, it takes alot long to start up a computer than it does a router. tradeoffs i suppose |
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| 08:46.45 | Bogus8 | well, get a wrt54gl and it runs linux and doesn't take unroutable packets on the WAN port |
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| 08:46.59 | Bogus8 | and it has QoS and other very nice functions ;) |
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| 08:47.25 | Bogus8 | troubled: I'm sure you are aware of dd-wrt |
| 08:47.29 | troubled | Bogus8: i wouldnt mind one of them. but i would need to get all the debricking equipment beforehand before I want with one |
| 08:47.49 | Bogus8 | I have several in service... none bricked |
| 08:47.53 | doudo | I think i have many problems with debian or linux distrib in general, i feel that my hdd is running without i know why, i search more and found some stranges things to my sense : i ask no swap in install, but there is a swap file somewhere i dont know where, i discover hostid command, i dont want my computer to be identified. I mean, it is MY COMPUTER it dont want to hire some system or program to run on i |
| 08:47.54 | doudo | t, i MAY allow some program to run on MY COMPUTER but this programs are not allowed to do what they want, they must tell me what they do. Seems that people who work to make programs wants to get more power making things more confuse so their knowledge is more important, this is not what I WANT. |
| 08:47.57 | Bogus8 | I've had some fail but none brick |
| 08:47.59 | vlt | Hello. I want to replace an image object in a pdf file. What tool can handle this task? |
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| 08:48.11 | vlt | (or ps file) |
| 08:48.18 | spheard | 2&>1 will stop cron emailing? |
| 08:48.48 | liable | doudo: calm down, and uninstall the programs you dont want |
| 08:48.50 | wsdo_okadr | troubled: thank you |
| 08:48.58 | troubled | wsdo_okadr: work ok for you? |
| 08:48.59 | doudo | I mean it is MY COMPUTER it dont want to hire some system or program to run on it, i MAY allow some program to run on MY COMPUTER but this programs are not allowed to do what they want, they must tell me what they do. Seems that people who work to make programs wants to get more power making things more confuse so their knowledge is more important, this is not what I WANT. |
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| 08:49.25 | troubled | spheard: * * * * * ... <cmd> >/dev/null 2>&1 |
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| 08:49.42 | doudo | liable, problem is that now all is to mixed to extripate anything |
| 08:50.08 | liable | doudo: can you explain that again in easier to understand terms? |
| 08:50.08 | troubled | doudo: im sorry, did you have a specific problem in all of that? i see a swap issue, would you lke to start with that first? |
| 08:50.20 | themill | doudo: are you also worried about black helicopters following you? |
| 08:50.27 | troubled | themill: hehe |
| 08:50.42 | vaq | haha |
| 08:50.54 | doudo | yes i ma worried about what is going into MY HOUSE |
| 08:51.18 | spheard | my name is jason bourne |
| 08:51.41 | troubled | doudo: understandable, its your pc, just as your thoughts in your brain are your private property. whats your problem? something running that shouldnt be on your machine? |
| 08:51.52 | liable | sheesh you would be absolutely terrified at the net traffic windows generates then |
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| 08:51.57 | wsdo_okadr | troubled: yes |
| 08:52.01 | doudo | i am worried about earing my hdd running without i know why, i am worried about acces to my computer i have not been |
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| 08:52.22 | troubled | liable: tell me about it :) i hear vista is worse, some sort of automatic p2p ip announcement service or something? |
| 08:52.29 | doudo | yes problem is thing get more and more complicated and we cant master enought to stop what we dont need |
| 08:52.34 | themill | http://picpaste.com/blackhelicopterlogo.gif |
| 08:52.59 | Overflow | hey guys what is free disk space check command? |
| 08:53.12 | liable | doudo: to see your internet daemons, run 'netstat -plunt' google those services and remove them if you dont need them |
| 08:53.12 | Kevin` | df -h |
| 08:53.17 | Overflow | thx |
| 08:53.23 | troubled | doudo: well, linux distro's typically access the hd's for daily maintence at early hours of the morning. 6:25 am is one, i thnk another fires around 5am or so as well |
| 08:53.28 | doudo | why sometime netstat is slow? |
| 08:53.33 | liable | troubled: mdns your talking about? |
| 08:53.37 | doudo | netstat is not a garantee |
| 08:53.39 | Kevin` | doudo dns lookups, use -n |
| 08:53.51 | doudo | why is there ipv tunnels? |
| 08:53.58 | doudo | why is there ipv6 tunnels? |
| 08:54.00 | liable | oh jeez |
| 08:54.21 | troubled | liable: might be, don't use vista, just recall reading about that "feature" and how it sends you ip out to the world to tell your online and what your ip is or something |
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| 08:54.57 | Bogus8 | how do I turn of delivery reports in mailx? |
| 08:55.01 | liable | troubled: mdns sorta does that, and java depends on it in debian :) |
| 08:55.11 | doudo | seems that directions taken is this one : we will take care of your computer (this is not freedom way), freedom way is : we will show you how to MASTER YOUR COMPUTER |
| 08:55.18 | troubled | liable: if you ask me, vista just seems like a bigbrother tool to mine as much data as possible for people less tech savy than most to ensure easy court proceedings |
| 08:55.44 | liable | troubled: probably sums it up nicely |
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| 08:56.23 | liable | doudo: lets stop the ranting and actually start to try and work out what you need to do to stop your paranoia |
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| 08:56.36 | troubled | liable: don't get me wrong, i support going after serious computer crime offenders. but c'mon, taking away all our privacy to catch a fraction of a percent of the bad guys? |
| 08:56.39 | doudo | i am bored of so many lib in my computer, there is not so much useful algorithms, nobody works to make things simplier |
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| 08:56.59 | Arafangion | doudo could run openbsd, keep it up-to-date, and refuse to run any non-default programs. |
| 08:57.06 | liable | troubled: i dont know why you are ranting to me about this :P |
| 08:57.10 | Bogus8 | I think vista will go down as the new ME of MS |
| 08:57.21 | troubled | liable: i recall one forensics guy talking about a court case involved wife/husband split. it was amazing how much crap is logged in vista that they used to prove who/what/where/when/why etc |
| 08:57.24 | Arafangion | Bogus8: No, WinME really was unreliable. |
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| 08:57.41 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: so far my experience with vista has been equaly bad |
| 08:57.44 | troubled | liable: feel like gabbing/geeking, and my fingers need some speed typing practice :p |
| 08:57.45 | doudo | troubled, i agree with what you said about preventing crime, but this cant be done with cheating and lying ppl |
| 08:57.46 | SerajewelKS | #debian gets more off-topic every hour |
| 08:57.49 | Bogus8 | BSOD's on fresh box |
| 08:57.53 | liable | troubled: that doesnt surprise me at all, ever seen those dat files that ie keeps? |
| 08:58.03 | Arafangion | Bogus8: My experience of Vista is unbelievable incompatibility. |
| 08:58.04 | troubled | aye |
| 08:58.09 | dondelelcaro | isn't #microsoft over there --> ? |
| 08:58.19 | Bogus8 | Arafangion: well, that also |
| 08:58.36 | liable | just making conversation |
| 08:58.37 | troubled | doudo: as for your ipv6 tunnel questions, you understand that they are needed since we are not native ipv6 at isp's/world yet right? |
| 08:58.44 | Arafangion | Bogus8: imho, once a microsoft product goes out of beta, it damn should run microsoft's OWN products! |
| 08:58.45 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: don't be a topic nazi like those in #windows ;) |
| 08:58.46 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: we talk about ubuntu all day otherwise. just let us have a change of topics for once ;) |
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| 08:58.55 | liable | heh |
| 08:58.58 | troubled | dondelelcaro: nice one ;) its done now though </rant> |
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| 08:59.30 | Bogus8 | how do I turn of delivery reports in mailx? |
| 08:59.36 | intelikey | is there an apt or aptitude command for this; if you have two versions of a package in the cache dir and only want to keep the latest version, or if only one version keep it, but remove all older versions of all packages ? |
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| 08:59.45 | SerajewelKS | Bogus8: btw that's probably not a great thing to say to an op |
| 08:59.45 | doudo | paranioa is not a fantasy, many proofs of gov cheating or big company cheating have been known, what do you do to make ppl confident know? |
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| 08:59.50 | k-man_ | is there a way to temporarily stop all cronjobs? |
| 09:00.00 | wols_ | is there a "good way(tm)" to log in a user into X automatically when the system starts? |
| 09:00.02 | SerajewelKS | k-man_: /etc/init.d/cron stop |
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| 09:00.04 | Bogus8 | SerajewelKS: it was a joke... I imagine he has a sense of humor... he is human right? |
| 09:00.12 | k-man_ | thanks SerajewelKS |
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| 09:00.17 | liable | doudo: last chance before i ignore you, what can we help you with to fix your problem? |
| 09:00.22 | larsl_ | Hello, trying to get 3D working on a laptop with Intel X3000 graphics but I just get indirect rendering. One of the error lines in the Xorg log says "(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)" - where can I get this file? I tried aptitude search i965_dri.so but got nothing. |
| 09:00.35 | k-man_ | wols_: you can do it using getty to log in imidiately |
| 09:00.40 | Bogus8 | SerajewelKS: if I get kicked for a joke like that then this certainly isn't the place I thought it was |
| 09:00.41 | themill | !tell wols_ about autologin |
| 09:00.50 | wols_ | larsl_: go to pdo and search there |
| 09:00.51 | SerajewelKS | Bogus8: ah, i hope his sarcasm detector works better than mine :) |
| 09:00.52 | k-man_ | wols_: and then stick startx in your .bashrc (with a check to make sure X is not already running) |
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| 09:01.03 | Bogus8 | SerajewelKS: well, it was followed with a ";)" |
| 09:01.04 | sree | hey bcm43xx detecting my wireless. not able to connect help?? |
| 09:01.06 | wols_ | k-man_: I wanted to use gdm actually. not getty |
| 09:01.08 | Ben_Cs | hello. i am using xubuntu, but i want to get in depth of debian (cause xubuntu is based on debian). so, is the reference in the debian site a good book for that purpose, or should i purchase debian bible or something like that? |
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| 09:01.09 | themill | !tell larsl_ about search |
| 09:01.19 | wols_ | !bcm43xx |
| 09:01.19 | dpkg | from memory, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. http://wiki.debian.org/BCM43xx |
| 09:01.20 | doudo | ok liable, you whant to help me to fix my problem : tell me truth about backdoors, and who pay ppl working here |
| 09:01.25 | k-man_ | wols_: i thought there is a way with gdm... can't remember it though |
| 09:01.26 | vin` | intelikey: aptitude, look at options-misc options |
| 09:01.41 | troubled | doudo: yes, I think we all had our 5 minutes of conspiracy and gov/company bashing :) what specifically are you concerned about that we can actually solve? (and no, we cant fix paranoia) |
| 09:01.43 | themill | larsl_: libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 09:01.43 | k-man_ | wols_: but if you are always logging in the same user, why use gdm at all? its just extra overhead |
| 09:01.44 | liable | doudo: no one gets paid to work here |
| 09:01.57 | larsl_ | themill: Thanks a lot. |
| 09:02.08 | liable | doudo: and i have no idea of these backdoors of which you speak |
| 09:02.10 | themill | larsl_: apt-file is your friend ;) |
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| 09:02.29 | Arafangion | I doubt there are any unknown backdoors in Debian. |
| 09:02.33 | wols_ | k-man_: so one can log out and log in another one if needed |
| 09:02.35 | larsl_ | themill: I have been told that apt-* are deprecated. =P |
| 09:02.45 | k-man_ | wols, ok fair enough |
| 09:02.47 | wols_ | Arafangion: there probably are |
| 09:02.52 | themill | larsl_: only apt-get. apt-cache and apt-file are fine. |
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| 09:02.57 | troubled | doudo: there are 768 normal nicks in here, do you honestly think we know who they all are? most of us don't even know each other beyond irc. perhaps you can keep this to something debian specific plz? |
| 09:02.58 | Arafangion | wols_: How so? |
| 09:02.59 | larsl_ | Ah. |
| 09:03.00 | k-man_ | wols, but you could... just quit X, then log in as another user and then start x |
| 09:03.11 | sree | i did everything and my wireless button also glows. it detects the access point too. but not getting connectd |
| 09:03.15 | themill | Arafangion: I think you mean "I doubt there are any *known* backdoors in Debian." |
| 09:03.16 | Arafangion | wols_: I know of at least one *known* backdoor, but as for unknown govt-added backdoors... |
| 09:03.18 | wols_ | Arafangion: see that firebird or whatever backdoor. back then the DBMS was GPLed or such for ~5 years when it was foun |
| 09:03.21 | wols_ | d |
| 09:03.21 | k-man_ | wols_: define "good way" more precisely |
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| 09:03.26 | intelikey | vin` --purge-unused ??? |
| 09:03.39 | Arafangion | wols_: I was talking about the core system. :) |
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| 09:03.55 | wols_ | k-man_: my thinking was a custom rc2.d/99login script. that's "bad". I want the opposite :) |
| 09:03.57 | liable | wols_: intentional firebird backdoor? |
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| 09:04.06 | larsl_ | OK, restarting Xorg now. |
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| 09:04.16 | wols_ | known, intended, documented procedure, etc |
| 09:04.18 | Arafangion | themill: bugs != backdoors, though bugs can be used as a backdoor. |
| 09:04.20 | k-man_ | wols_: are you sure gdm doesn't have a way to do it? i thought it did |
| 09:04.34 | doudo | liable, i know someone is able to go inot my computer and read informations, i know it is not possible to prevent this because things are too complicated so a person alone can master them, it is a pity because unix was simple and you made something monstrous |
| 09:04.34 | wols_ | liable: yes. firebird being a RDBMS opened by debian. formerly named interbase I think |
| 09:04.35 | tarzeau | otp says Bus error on my ultra5 (ultrasparc) |
| 09:04.43 | wols_ | liable: some dev or other put it in |
| 09:04.52 | sree | cydork: u told me some one hre with 4318 broadcomm card |
| 09:05.00 | troubled | Arafangion: but, does an intentional bug which can be used to gain access to a system = backdoor? ;) |
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| 09:05.12 | Arafangion | troubled: If it's intentional, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 09:05.21 | wols_ | erm RDBMS opened by borland |
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| 09:05.23 | troubled | Arafangion: ok, now how do you proove intention? |
| 09:05.24 | intelikey | vin` i'm not seeing anything in the man page, can you give me a better clue? |
| 09:05.26 | doudo | let see freebsd |
| 09:05.28 | Arafangion | doudo: Maybe you should use OpenBSD, and keep on top of any news relevant to that OS. |
| 09:05.44 | liable | doudo: how do you know this? |
| 09:05.52 | Arafangion | troubled: In any case, did FF provide root access? |
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| 09:06.02 | liable | doudo: what forensic techniques have you used to prove this ? |
| 09:06.08 | larsl | themill: Brilliant, got 3D accelaration now. =) |
| 09:06.16 | themill | larsl: excellent! |
| 09:06.19 | themill | !next |
| 09:06.19 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 09:06.19 | et | wols_: you can configure gdm to log a user in automatically |
| 09:06.27 | larsl | Shouldn't that package be installed by default on systems that can use it though? |
| 09:06.31 | sree | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:06.31 | Arafangion | doudo: I suspect you will be happier with OpenBSD. |
| 09:06.44 | wols_ | et: looking at gdmsetup right now since gdm.conf is woefully underdocumented it seems |
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| 09:07.00 | wols_ | !tell sree about anyone |
| 09:07.07 | wols_ | sree: ask specific questions |
| 09:07.12 | troubled | Arafangion: so access without permission to my system as nonroot is ok? and only root access is considered a backdoor? ;) |
| 09:07.15 | indraveni | hi all, executing zcat /root/Desktop/boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 command to my usb disk, its changing the partition space of my usb |
| 09:07.30 | doudo | liable, i must not proove this because theses fact already happened in past, because of theses fact : now you should proove that your systeme is made to be inviolable |
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| 09:08.03 | wols_ | indraveni: makes no sense. and compressing something that's already compressed doesn't make sense either |
| 09:08.04 | cydork | !tell sree about ask |
| 09:08.07 | Arafangion | troubled: I like your smiley (: |
| 09:08.16 | themill | doudo: that's not possible and you (should) no that. |
| 09:08.18 | et | wols_: easiest way is to run gdm, press f10, and click configuration ;) |
| 09:08.20 | liable | doudo: oh please stop bein a raving loony |
| 09:08.31 | wols_ | doudo: your need another logic 101 course. badly |
| 09:08.47 | themill | doudo: please take your tinfoil hat and go away, learn assembler and write your own operating system that you do trust. |
| 09:08.48 | et | maybe that starts gdmsetup |
| 09:08.49 | doudo | liable, and if you need security to prevent ppl to hurt other ppl, you need to make them a way that every body should be aware of them |
| 09:08.52 | wols_ | a sysadmin course might not be bad either |
| 09:08.53 | indraveni | wols_, i am extracting the boot.img.gz into the usb stick |
| 09:08.58 | troubled | doudo: actually, debian's distribution system by design is impossible already for you to verify unless you meet the master key signer in person and can verify this and get his pub key from him. else your whole internet can be subverted to trojan you. this applies to any/all os's. get used to it |
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| 09:09.13 | indraveni | wols_, as per the document here, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 |
| 09:09.22 | doudo | themill, what i know is that you are not working in that dirtection at all |
| 09:09.38 | sree | i am running debian etch . installed bcm43xx driver. everything works fine. it detects the access point(my router) but not getting connected. |
| 09:09.40 | Arafangion | troubled: He could very well *pay* for OpenBSD, get the CD shipped out to him, and have a reasonable level of trust ;) |
| 09:09.50 | liable | doudo: you come here with unprovable paranoid statements about something you dont seem to have a clue about. |
| 09:10.00 | themill | doudo: correct, I'm not learning assembler to write my own os |
| 09:10.09 | vin` | intelikey: search for "obsolete" in the aptitude user manual, not there in the man page iirc |
| 09:10.35 | troubled | Arafangion: ok, but what address does he ship the money to? where does he get that address? a web page? what if the postmaster gives him a fake, stamped from a ficticious address? etc |
| 09:10.39 | intelikey | vin` k thanks. i'm looking |
| 09:10.52 | indraveni | wols_, I am tring to create an Installable USB |
| 09:10.57 | alexalex | v |
| 09:10.58 | alexalex | whats the eta release of lenny? 2-3 years? |
| 09:11.01 | doudo | troubled, ok for debian distrib, many ppl love it, myself i love install upgrade so easily, but why cant i find a very simple and solid sytem that i can use to go in internet that makes me sad |
| 09:11.05 | indraveni | so i am following the steps given in the above doc |
| 09:11.15 | wols_ | indraveni: sorry, my bad. how do you know it changes your partition table? |
| 09:11.24 | sree | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.28 | troubled | doudo: there are plenty of systems, debian included, that can do that. the root of your problem is trust |
| 09:12.15 | wols_ | alexalex: no one knows by yet, but history tells us that's about right. maybe a little less than 2 |
| 09:12.15 | indraveni | when i formatted my usb with ext3.vfat command,and mouting and executing the df -h command |
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| 09:12.15 | Arafangion | troubled: He could check the website, confirm that with many other people, go tot he library, re-check, go to a cafe, recheck, all on different computers of course. |
| 09:12.15 | k-man_ | how do i copy users crontabs from one machine to another? |
| 09:12.22 | wols_ | indraveni: that doesn't make sense |
| 09:12.32 | indraveni | wols_, shows output as, /dev/sdb1 979M 4.0K 979M 1% /mnt/disk[sdb1] |
| 09:12.34 | wols_ | df -h doesn't show any part of the MBR really |
| 09:12.35 | Bogus8 | how do I turn of delivery reports in postfix? (can't figure it out anywhere) |
| 09:12.38 | intelikey | k-man scp |
| 09:12.55 | doudo | troubled, i am sorry, too many lib too heavy, nobody can master it, even linux kernel security level means nothing as all installed programs got root privileges |
| 09:12.56 | Arafangion | troubled: Then he could subscribe to teh openbsd mailing or news lists, and watch out for any vulnerbilities or website incorrectness indicators over the course of the year. |
| 09:13.01 | SerajewelKS | k-man_: look in /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 09:13.03 | indraveni | wols_, and after I execute the command, zcat /root/Desktop/boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:13.04 | wols_ | indraveni: and that'S bad how? |
| 09:13.05 | troubled | doudo: if your looking for milatary grade secureity, im afraid your home PC, the one designed to "accept all emmisions" by the FCC isnt very secure against radio emissions that can and are used by government to root you in seconds |
| 09:13.15 | k-man_ | intelikey: well, i copied the whole user directory, but the user still doesn;t have the cron jobs on the new machine |
| 09:13.20 | indraveni | then giving the df -h, output shows |
| 09:13.29 | indraveni | /dev/sdb1 239M 17M 223M 7% /mnt/disk[sdb1] |
| 09:13.37 | themill | doudo: since nothing we can say will make you happier, why are you even here? Go elsewhere to work out your trust issues. Find a good shrink. |
| 09:13.39 | troubled | doudo: get used to use, dont like it? move to another planet |
| 09:13.42 | Arafangion | troubled: Then he could re-check all teh details again - after that, he should know where to send the cash to. :) |
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| 09:13.46 | indraveni | wols_, whats bad ? |
| 09:13.57 | intelikey | k-man it's not in the user's dir look in /var/ |
| 09:14.00 | Kevin` | it's not too hard to secure a device from radio emissions if you don't want it to be shut down |
| 09:14.03 | k-man_ | ok |
| 09:14.03 | wols_ | indraveni: it means it changes, possibly corrupts your ext3 filesystem. not the partition table/MBR |
| 09:14.04 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 09:14.10 | Kevin` | but that's all that normally happens, it crashes. |
| 09:14.14 | troubled | Arafangion: heck, send it to me, ill ship him the cd's :) |
| 09:14.17 | SerajewelKS | k-man_: i just told you where they are |
| 09:14.21 | k-man_ | so i should copy that whole directory |
| 09:14.23 | k-man_ | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 09:14.24 | Arafangion | doudo: Ultimately, you don't really care about security. What you want is an AUDIT trail. |
| 09:14.24 | k-man_ | yeah |
| 09:14.26 | larsl | Well, this laptop is looking much better now - got DVD working, SD card reader working, wireless working, 3D working... |
| 09:14.29 | indraveni | wols_, yes, but why is it happening |
| 09:14.30 | k-man_ | i'm catching up |
| 09:14.36 | wols_ | indraveni: ls -alR /mnt/disk[sdb1]. are there approx 17MB of files there? |
| 09:14.37 | larsl | Only major thing left now is the webcam. |
| 09:14.40 | SerajewelKS | k-man_: copy the contents, yes. the directory has some permissions set |
| 09:14.45 | compdo | Is there any way to figure out what Debian version I'm running. I need a distinction between Sarge and Etch which is evaluated at login in my .bashrc |
| 09:14.45 | Arafangion | doudo: So, buy a dot matrix printer, load it up with alot of paper, and keep syslog pumping data to it. |
| 09:14.52 | SerajewelKS | k-man_: so if you get the directory too make sure you retain the permissions |
| 09:14.56 | doudo | themill, you should consider this another way, you are following a wrong path, problems exists, paranioa is not a funy story, it is real threats |
| 09:15.03 | wols_ | indraveni: cause tbe .img file is a filesystem. you overwrite your original one |
| 09:15.05 | liable | troubled: got some background info on this radio emission backdoor theory? |
| 09:15.10 | wols_ | !versio |
| 09:15.13 | wols_ | !version |
| 09:15.13 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 09:15.16 | larsl | compdo: /etc/debian_version ? |
| 09:15.17 | erik2066 | compdo: cat /proc/version ? |
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| 09:15.33 | SerajewelKS | doudo: you are setting yourself up for a very sad and pathetic life |
| 09:15.34 | k-man_ | SerajewelKS: ok, thanks |
| 09:15.36 | sree | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:15.42 | themill | doudo: no, we are on the right path, we just haven't got to the destination. |
| 09:15.48 | wols_ | liable: don your tinfoil hat and shut up. they can hear you! |
| 09:15.53 | SerajewelKS | doudo: be mindful of security but you are taking this too far |
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| 09:16.16 | liable | wols_: i used it to roast my chicken last night! |
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| 09:16.29 | wols_ | good use for it |
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| 09:16.31 | SerajewelKS | doudo: if you want real security, unplug your computer from the wall and microwave the hard disk, then use some other means to communicate. |
| 09:16.32 | indraveni | wols_, so how can i extract this boot.img.gz file onto my usb without this problem? |
| 09:16.54 | compdo | thank you |
| 09:17.08 | peanut | hi, I have 2 disks in my system, /dev/hda is 20GB and holds the OS, disk2 = 200G and is used mainly for ftp data |
| 09:17.09 | doudo | arafangion, i dont want a audit, i want i branch of debian with a simple and secure distrib only to go internet, with firefox and nothing, without bash oddities, something simple pythonlike, time of big computers making everything is over, now it is time of many specialized computers |
| 09:17.16 | indraveni | wols_, yes its having 17mb of filesystem |
| 09:17.20 | peanut | niw I want to map /ftp to /dev/hdb1 |
| 09:17.23 | peanut | how can I do this? |
| 09:17.27 | Arafangion | doudo: Then get OpenBSD. |
| 09:17.30 | themill | doudo: you want python rather than bash? wtf |
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| 09:17.41 | wols_ | indraveni: read that howto again. sdb1 is NOT sdb (or sda as in the howto) |
| 09:17.41 | SerajewelKS | doudo: look at flashlinux then, it's a <256mb distro that runs off of a thumb drive and has firefox, etc |
| 09:17.42 | larsl | peanut: Add a line for it in /etc/fstab. |
| 09:17.43 | themill | doudo: if you want python, then go and use ubuntu. |
| 09:17.44 | Kevin` | peanut mount /dev/hdb1 /ftp, or see fstab |
| 09:17.54 | troubled | doudo: I really hate to burst your security/paranoid bubble, but you really should read up on van eck phreaking or TEMPEST at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEMPEST |
| 09:17.57 | k-man_ | can scp copy uid:gid? |
| 09:18.06 | troubled | liable: along lines of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEMPEST is what i am refering to |
| 09:18.07 | wols_ | indraveni: and yes, this overwrites everything on that partiton. that is no problem, this is a feature |
| 09:18.19 | indraveni | wols_, so u mean that i have to use sdb ?instead of sdb1 ? |
| 09:18.23 | wols_ | troubled: that is eavesdropping. not cracking |
| 09:18.31 | SerajewelKS | k-man_: just tar it... tar -c crontabs | ssh some-box 'cd /var/spool/cron; tar x' |
| 09:18.34 | wols_ | indraveni: according to the howto: yes |
| 09:18.38 | troubled | doudo: bottom line, consumer grade hardware isnt secure, thus neither is the ultimate perfect uncrackable os |
| 09:18.46 | doudo | serajewelKS, tanks, that is a good answezr for me |
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| 09:18.54 | themill | k-man_: not that I know of. It runs as the local user on the other side. use tar or rsync for that |
| 09:19.06 | SerajewelKS | doudo: i challenge you to show me that it's more secure than a debian install though |
| 09:19.06 | k-man_ | thanks SerajewelKS |
| 09:19.08 | doudo | themill, ubuntu minimum distrib is 4GB ... |
| 09:19.10 | indraveni | wols_, then the problem for me is, if i am following the steps as per the tutorial, i am left with only 222 mb of free space after zcat command |
| 09:19.19 | themill | doudo: so go and complain to them about it |
| 09:19.23 | Kevin` | troubled neither is enterprise hardware. only military and special use stuff is designed for physical attacks and rf |
| 09:19.28 | troubled | wols_: true. i should have worded differently. but who needs to break passwords and crypto to steal info when you can read it yourself from a block away :) |
| 09:19.38 | Arafangion | doudo: Why are you ignoring my recommendation to use OpenBSD? |
| 09:19.38 | indraveni | wols_, thus i am not able to copy my iso image due to space problem |
| 09:19.47 | indraveni | wols_, then how does the tutorial valid ? |
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| 09:20.05 | liable | Arafangion: because you are one of *them* |
| 09:20.06 | doudo | serajewelKS, easy to answer your question : more secure is what ppl feel more secure, personaly as a ppl i feel more secure what is slim and simple |
| 09:20.08 | liable | muhahaha |
| 09:20.10 | troubled | Kevin`: thats kinda my point for him. he seems to think that a perfect OS on susceptable hardware is somehow safe from eavesdropping when its not |
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| 09:20.38 | Arafangion | liable: "them"? |
| 09:20.39 | Kevin` | troubled it's safe in normal circumstances. you can't really evesdrop on a computer with RF |
| 09:20.42 | SerajewelKS | doudo: uhm no, how secure people feel has nothing at all to do with how secure they are. |
| 09:21.02 | liable | Arafangion: you obviously havent been following the conversation from the start |
| 09:21.05 | SerajewelKS | doudo: you are basing this decision on invalid logic. |
| 09:21.11 | Arafangion | liable: Obviously. |
| 09:21.18 | solitude| | openbsd is great |
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| 09:21.21 | indraveni | wols_, even after using sdb, the same is the problem, space... |
| 09:21.26 | indraveni | what can i do for this ? |
| 09:21.43 | solitude| | [10:18:26] <doudo> themill, ubuntu minimum distrib is 4GB ...+ |
| 09:21.43 | themill | doudo: to start with you were funny and we all enjoyed a good laugh; now you're just annoying and you're stopping other people from getting help. Please go and ask these questions in #paranoid or similar. |
| 09:21.45 | solitude| | bullshit |
| 09:21.51 | solitude| | its ~60mb big |
| 09:21.56 | troubled | Kevin`: you can if your close enough and have high end equipment. if they can detect a tiny radio signal millions of miles in space, im sure we can make stuff sensitive enough to pick up a signal a thousand times strong from a few yards away. heck, whats the range on a cell phone? :) |
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| 09:21.57 | liable | erm |
| 09:22.01 | wols_ | what space? |
| 09:22.02 | liable | 60mb? |
| 09:22.05 | solitude| | yeah |
| 09:22.10 | liable | not fucking likely |
| 09:22.11 | troubled | Kevin`: plug in some head phones and you got a decent antenna, no? |
| 09:22.11 | solitude| | if you arnt a moron and use the *actual* minimal install |
| 09:22.25 | solitude| | it has no xorg, no gui, |
| 09:22.25 | Kevin` | troubled the signals in a computer are high frequency with no modulation, they aren't designed for radio transmission |
| 09:22.34 | solitude| | its same as debian minimal pretty much |
| 09:22.43 | liable | solitude|: go and do a minmal install and show us your disk usage |
| 09:22.50 | themill | Kevin`: it can still be done. even on lcd screens |
| 09:22.51 | liable | even debian takes about 250 |
| 09:23.02 | solitude| | the debian netinstal is ~250mb |
| 09:23.09 | solitude| | thats not debian minimal :| |
| 09:23.09 | troubled | Kevin`: perhaps not designed for, but you can still pick up enough to serve your cause in some cases |
| 09:23.13 | doudo | serajewelKS, you should consider that ppl are not logic, and as computer are mainly used by ppl, more you should consider even with real and logic arguments that you cant change ppl credos even with truth, search wiki bias, this knowledge may have been used by microsoft? |
| 09:23.31 | solitude| | btw. http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/metapackages/ubuntu-minimal.en.html |
| 09:23.32 | Kevin` | themill well, vga is an analog signal, so it's reasonable you could get some data close to it |
| 09:23.38 | Kevin` | troubled reference please :) |
| 09:23.43 | solitude| | i was wrong, its 44mb |
| 09:23.45 | SerajewelKS | doudo: so you're admitting that your reasons for wanting a slim install are wrong? |
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| 09:24.05 | solitude| | believe me now? |
| 09:24.19 | themill | Kevin`: it's also been shown to work on digital lcd signals, I believe. |
| 09:24.21 | troubled | Kevin`: i swear short of coming over to your house with equipment, this isnt going to do much to make you a believer :) |
| 09:24.44 | doudo | serajewelKS, i must admit that reality could be different that what i think yes, problem is am i a special case or are there many ppl thinking like i do? |
| 09:24.49 | Bogus8 | how do I turn of delivery reports in postfix? (can't figure it out anywhere) |
| 09:25.00 | Kevin` | troubled surely you have some reference as to the existance of equiptment or the methods to do this? |
| 09:25.01 | liable | solitude|: thats a meta-package thats 44KB in size... |
| 09:25.10 | Piet | not to heaten the paranoia, just to so more people can tell what's been talked about earlier ('firebird backdoor'): |
| 09:25.12 | Piet | http://firebird.cvs.sourceforge.net/firebird/interbase/jrd/pwd.h?r1=1.5&r2=1.6 |
| 09:25.13 | solitude| | uhh, no |
| 09:25.19 | troubled | Kevin`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEMPEST is probably the best starting place. although I have an electronic warfare handbook thats several hundred pages of fun that you may like to read if you provide the means to xfer it to you |
| 09:25.20 | solitude| | "Installed Size" |
| 09:25.25 | Piet | https://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/247371 |
| 09:25.29 | SerajewelKS | doudo: i would classify you as a special case, yes. you have some big trust issues dude. |
| 09:25.32 | liable | solitude|: look at the bottom, its in KILOBYTES you tool |
| 09:25.35 | Kevin` | troubled preferred means? |
| 09:25.40 | wols_ | indraveni: this howto basically overwriters your usb stick's filesystem with a boot disk/CD. that's it |
| 09:25.45 | troubled | Kevin`: ftp? |
| 09:25.45 | solitude| | haha |
| 09:25.50 | Kevin` | troubled ok |
| 09:25.50 | solitude| | i should make a VM and install it |
| 09:25.57 | liable | do so |
| 09:26.02 | troubled | Kevin`: you got one up? |
| 09:26.07 | Kevin` | yes |
| 09:26.30 | troubled | msg info |
| 09:26.35 | solitude| | or ill jsut ask someone in #ubunu |
| 09:26.37 | wols_ | indraveni: if you use a bootloader like syslinux or grub (not covered in this howto) you might be able to use sdb1 |
| 09:26.44 | SerajewelKS | solitude|: yeah because they'll know |
| 09:26.49 | doudo | serajewelKS, would do you say computer users are : 1) confident 2) very confident 3) afraid 4) very very very afraid about their computer, i think you know answer |
| 09:27.03 | solitude| | SerajewelKS, point :/ |
| 09:27.27 | wols_ | dpkg: people are very very afraid about terrorists too. doesn't mean they have even a remote chance dying of terrorism |
| 09:27.28 | dpkg | ...but people is already something else... |
| 09:27.53 | SerajewelKS | doudo: i would guess (1) in most cases |
| 09:27.59 | doudo | serajewelKS, maybe you can make a programl to count number of time "virus" "worm" "security" is written in internet, or ask google? |
| 09:28.17 | indraveni | wols_, there is another tutorial here, http://d-i.pascal.at/, and i want to use grub |
| 09:28.20 | SerajewelKS | doudo: most people don't know they even have a virus until their computer is dead |
| 09:28.32 | SerajewelKS | doudo: and couldn't care less except that their data is gone |
| 09:28.32 | doudo | serajewelKS, if you answer 1) you are in a very special case for me too |
| 09:28.35 | indraveni | but here only syslinux is used explained here, how can i work using this ? |
| 09:29.01 | SerajewelKS | doudo: i know a lot of people who don't know much about computers, but i don't know any who are paranoid about them |
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| 09:29.13 | SerajewelKS | doudo: and i consider myself slightly paranoid as it is... |
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| 09:30.05 | doudo | serajewelKS, reality is people have paranoia, stop thinking like a computer |
| 09:30.28 | liable | some could suggest selinux, but seeing as the nsa made it, prolly wouldnt make him happy |
| 09:30.34 | doudo | serajewelKS, who cares if it is real? |
| 09:30.43 | SerajewelKS | doudo: wow jeez man, you really need to see a shrink |
| 09:31.21 | SerajewelKS | doudo: i agree if people knew about much of the information tracking in windows they *would* be paranoid but you are assuming your average joe knows what big brother bill is up to. |
| 09:31.33 | wols_ | doudo: people who don't know about computers ar the least paranoid. how else could we explain all the malware infections out there? |
| 09:31.33 | liable | i know one that can, uhem, fix him.. |
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| 09:31.36 | doudo | serajewelKS, no man, ppl are all different, nature made ppl to go in all directions, you saw too much mr Spock |
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| 09:32.00 | SerajewelKS | doudo: no, i just talk to other people once in a while |
| 09:32.29 | doudo | serajewelKS, ppl are not logic, and some company knows that and exploit that to sell their products, i dont understand what this dimension should be forgotten |
| 09:32.30 | SerajewelKS | doudo: none of them are worried about their computers. if their computers can play their music they are content. |
| 09:32.44 | SerajewelKS | doudo: i don't dispute that |
| 09:33.32 | SerajewelKS | doudo: the fact that people aren't logical is why they aren't paranoid |
| 09:33.43 | SerajewelKS | doudo: if i knew less about computers i'd be less paranoid about them too |
| 09:33.49 | doudo | serajewelKS, truth or people, you must choose people, it is the only way to help people to discover truth |
| 09:34.11 | SerajewelKS | themill: i was just about to suggest that this is a troll... |
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| 09:34.19 | kryl | hi, Is it possible to make a symlink to 2 directions ? Example If I write on the symlink two true files will be fill. |
| 09:34.20 | vaq | does nscd ldap support Windows AD Ldap? |
| 09:34.21 | SerajewelKS | either a troll or someone very confused |
| 09:34.32 | liable | what took you so long.. |
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| 09:34.47 | SerajewelKS | kryl: erm, can you ask that again, only this time have it make more sense? |
| 09:34.54 | kryl | ok sorry |
| 09:34.59 | Overflow | hi, where is the gnome.conf? |
| 09:35.01 | themill | kryl: how does that differ from a symlink or a hard link? |
| 09:35.08 | troubled | SerajewelKS: sadly, i think he's just really really paranoid, not an intentional troll :) |
| 09:35.17 | kryl | or hard link no problem about that |
| 09:35.18 | wols_ | kryl: no. a single symlink can't point to two differentfiles |
| 09:35.27 | liable | Overflow: there isnt one big conf for gnome |
| 09:35.31 | wsdo_okadr | !seen g0n |
| 09:35.31 | dpkg | g0n <~a@213.37.232.69> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1086d 16h 48m 2s ago, saying: 'bye to all'. |
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| 09:35.39 | doudo | serajewelKS, thanks you for your time, thank you for flash linux, it may be my answer, thanks also for the man you told me frebsd, i like debian it is very easy to manage, i told you what i wanted to told, bye |
| 09:35.49 | Overflow | yeah i know |
| 09:36.02 | Overflow | i want to add a shell script to the startup |
| 09:36.06 | doudo | oh, i read troll |
| 09:36.12 | Overflow | i fogrot where to.. lol |
| 09:36.15 | kryl | I just want to know if I can put data into 2 real directory when I write on a link or something else |
| 09:36.19 | doudo | a word about troll for logic ppl |
| 09:36.32 | liable | Overflow: you can do it via the management thing to add a start script |
| 09:37.00 | SerajewelKS | kryl: well, if you have some file "a" that you write to, and have dir1/file and dir2/file link to "a" then you could make it appear that way |
| 09:37.00 | kryl | for example : I use /var/lib/mysql for the link who will write to /tmp/mysql1 and /tmp/mysql2 ... |
| 09:37.06 | larsl | kryl: You could set up a named pipe and have a tee reading from it. |
| 09:37.10 | SerajewelKS | kryl: just have the links pointing the other way |
| 09:37.22 | SerajewelKS | kryl: or i'm still not understanding what you want |
| 09:37.32 | kryl | like my example |
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| 09:37.50 | doudo | troll usage is stupid, saying ppl are troll is complete troll attitude, but this is not the place |
| 09:37.56 | SerajewelKS | kryl: for what purpose? |
| 09:38.16 | kryl | knowledge :) |
| 09:38.55 | Overflow | where is the gnome startup script file? |
| 09:39.10 | themill | kryl: you can't have one filename pointing at two files on disk, but you can do it the other way around (which is a hardlink) |
| 09:39.12 | Overflow | or user.conf |
| 09:39.29 | Overflow | i mean session.conf |
| 09:39.50 | kryl | themill, ok |
| 09:40.46 | larsl | kryl: But only if they're on the same filesystem. |
| 09:41.00 | liable | Overflow: system>preferences>sessions |
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| 09:41.13 | ktne | hello |
| 09:41.18 | ktne | how can i install several .deb files? |
| 09:41.24 | SerajewelKS | ktne: dpkg -i |
| 09:41.28 | ktne | wil dpkg -i install dependencies? |
| 09:41.30 | ktne | will |
| 09:41.37 | SerajewelKS | ktne: no |
| 09:41.42 | ktne | how can i handle this then? |
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| 09:41.57 | SerajewelKS | ktne: install them with dpkg -i then run "aptitude -f install" |
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| 09:42.04 | themill | ktne: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:42.08 | ktne | i'm trying to install code::blocks and it comes as several .deb |
| 09:42.22 | kryl | larsl, that's my problem |
| 09:42.25 | SerajewelKS | ktne: do what i suggested |
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| 09:42.40 | ktne | SerajewelKS, can i do a dpkg -i *.deb? |
| 09:42.45 | SerajewelKS | ktne: yes |
| 09:42.49 | SerajewelKS | ktne: then run aptitude -f install |
| 09:43.09 | larsl | Trying to get the webcam on my laptop to work - there is a camera key at the top of the keyboard, when I press it it lights up and the kernel log says that a new USB device has been found and a configuration has been chosen - but nothing shows in lsusb! |
| 09:43.24 | ktne | SerajewelKS, did so |
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| 09:43.42 | SerajewelKS | solitude|, liable: in a VM the used size of a base install is 450400 1k blocks, however i think that includes the reserved blocks for root |
| 09:43.46 | larsl | Where did the USB device go? |
| 09:43.48 | themill | larsl: what make & model laptop? |
| 09:44.04 | larsl | themill: Zepto Znote 6025WD. |
| 09:44.06 | Kevin` | larsl did it say disconnected or something? |
| 09:44.12 | larsl | Kevin`: Nope. |
| 09:44.18 | larsl | themill: ICH8-based. |
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| 09:45.00 | ktne | ./codeblocks: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_aui-2.8.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 09:45.17 | ktne | SerajewelKS, that's what i get |
| 09:45.31 | SerajewelKS | ktne: did aptitude do anything? |
| 09:45.39 | ktne | i haven't seen it doing anything |
| 09:45.44 | themill | ktne: then your out-of-debian packages are badly made. wx-2.8 isn't in debian |
| 09:46.03 | ktne | aptitude says "Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used." |
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| 09:46.10 | ktne | hmm |
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| 09:46.22 | liable | SerajewelKS: thats only 5% usually, so still a bit bigger than 44MB |
| 09:46.24 | larsl | themill, Kevin`: There is a camera device mentioned in /proc/bus/usb/devices though. |
| 09:46.33 | ktne | i think i have 2.6 |
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| 09:47.19 | larsl | With driver=(none). |
| 09:47.26 | compDo | "free" indicates that most of my 4 GB RAM is used. How can I figure out which processes comsume the memory? |
| 09:47.38 | xiq | hi, is there a way to get a list of the config files for a package? like "dpkg -L" but also showing the files that would be removed by "dpkg -r" ? |
| 09:47.39 | wols_ | compDo: top |
| 09:47.39 | SerajewelKS | liable: the partition size is 7692876 blocks, so 5% is ~384644 blocks, giving the install size 65756 blocks or ~64mb |
| 09:47.48 | Kevin` | compDo are you taking cache into account? |
| 09:47.50 | xiq | oops, i mean by "dpkg --purge" |
| 09:47.52 | SerajewelKS | liable: so seems he was right about the minimal install size |
| 09:47.58 | themill | compDo: ps -Ao pid,tt,user,fname,size | sort -n -k5 |
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| 09:48.25 | compDo | Kevin`: how do you mean that? |
| 09:48.30 | liable | SerajewelKS: i eat my words if you are correct |
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| 09:48.47 | Kevin` | compDo this line in free shows the usage excluding cache and such |
| 09:48.48 | SerajewelKS | liable: hmm, du tells a different story |
| 09:48.49 | Kevin` | -/+ buffers/cache: 248 1778 |
| 09:48.57 | SerajewelKS | liable: 275118416 / |
| 09:49.07 | larsl | The vid/pid for the camera seems to be 0402/5602. |
| 09:49.13 | compDo | themill: I get "ERROR: Conflicting format options" |
| 09:49.55 | themill | compDo: what do you have for ps --version |
| 09:50.29 | SerajewelKS | liable: hmm, tune2fs says it is 5% |
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| 09:50.31 | compDo | Kevin`: the second line "-/+ buffers/cache:" tells me that most of the memory is unused. So, how comes the difference? |
| 09:50.36 | SerajewelKS | liable: so i'm not sure how to reconcile the data |
| 09:50.54 | SerajewelKS | liable: df isn't accurate to du, but neither is df adjusted by the reserved blocks |
| 09:51.03 | Kevin` | compDo the memory is used for caching disk data, it improves the speed of repeated requests |
| 09:51.17 | wols_ | !free |
| 09:51.17 | dpkg | well, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 09:51.18 | Kevin` | compDo if the system needs it it will be freed |
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| 09:52.08 | themill | larsl: and that's not in lsusb?? |
| 09:52.21 | kombi_ | when dmesg | less nicely names your nics but /etc/init.d/networking start says "no such devices" what must I do? |
| 09:52.22 | larsl | themill: Nope. |
| 09:52.36 | larsl | It's in /proc/bus/usb/devices, but not lsusb. |
| 09:52.50 | SerajewelKS | liable: makes no sense to me anyway |
| 09:52.53 | compDo | themill: I don't know how to figure out the ps version, "-v", -V --version don't work |
| 09:53.16 | larsl | themill: Oh, let me correct myself - it is in lsusb if I run it as root. |
| 09:53.17 | kombi_ | how do you check that your network cards are there? |
| 09:53.29 | wols_ | kombi_: ifconfig -a |
| 09:53.33 | wols_ | kombi_: and lspci |
| 09:53.38 | kombi_ | thanks wols! |
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| 09:53.50 | larsl | "Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0402:5602 ALi Corp." |
| 09:54.00 | kombi_ | got to stick the monitor into the other box again now.. |
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| 09:55.15 | liable | SerajewelKS: it is actually about 48MB for the base |
| 09:55.17 | themill | compDo: apt-cache policy procps |
| 09:55.42 | SerajewelKS | liable: hmm |
| 09:55.54 | SerajewelKS | liable: i still don't get the conflicting data though |
| 09:56.01 | kombi_ | wols_: ifconfig -a nicely finds them all but /etc/init.d/networking start fails, what might be wrong..? |
| 09:56.14 | kombi_ | no lspci on that box.. |
| 09:56.16 | wols_ | !tell kombi_ about interfaces |
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| 09:56.40 | wols_ | if there are ethX via ifconfig -a but no assigned IPs, your /etc/network/interfaces is wrong |
| 09:56.50 | compDo | themill: it's debian sarge; Installed: 1:3.2.1-2 |
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| 09:56.59 | kombi_ | wols_: I understand that, it's a working conf, just updated hardware |
| 09:57.05 | erik2066 | how come my Network Manager Applet 0.6.4 (GNOME) says I have no internet connection, while I am on IRC ???? I have a wireless card at eth1 (disabled) and a wired card on eth0 (enabled).... |
| 09:57.42 | kombi_ | wols_: I'll try to bring them up manually with ifconfig then.. |
| 09:57.46 | themill | erik2066: are you in the netdev group? |
| 09:58.08 | kombi_ | wols_: I just wonder what might have changed though |
| 09:58.10 | erik2066 | themill: what is that ? IRC group ? no... |
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| 09:58.43 | hark | heh |
| 09:58.52 | kombi_ | wols_: anyway, off to the other box again..;) |
| 09:58.58 | liable | SerajewelKS: actually, no, its 225MB |
| 09:59.06 | tamiya | hey guys!!! |
| 09:59.08 | themill | compDo: geez... that's an old version of ps.... you'll have to read the manual page yourself for that one ;) |
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| 09:59.35 | liable | SerajewelKS: phew i thought i was going bonkers. http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds02.html.en |
| 10:00.10 | themill | larsl: YMMV: https://sourceforge.net/projects/m560x-driver/ |
| 10:00.12 | tamiya | Every time I boot up my Debian 4.0r1 box, at the login prompt I get a 'No IPV6 router found'. How do I disable the IPV6 stuff? My LAN is IPv4 only |
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| 10:01.48 | larsl | themill: Thanks. |
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| 10:02.01 | themill | np |
| 10:02.08 | kombi_ | wols_: changed network/infaces to eth2 and 3 and things work, weired as .... |
| 10:02.10 | larsl | Weird that lsusb shows different devices depending on who's running it. |
| 10:02.30 | themill | larsl: yeah, I've never seen that before. |
| 10:02.45 | kombi_ | just for my poor command of english, is it "weired" or "weird"? |
| 10:03.20 | Ronin | weird |
| 10:03.44 | kombi_ | really? been spelling it wrong then for 64 years.. |
| 10:04.06 | themill | larsl: you don't have an selinux or udev policy that's preventing lsusb reading /proc/bus/usb do you? |
| 10:04.31 | Ronin | kombi_: blame your grade school teachers then |
| 10:04.37 | karmatronic | kombi_: really?...weird |
| 10:04.43 | Ronin | heh |
| 10:04.51 | kombi_ | anyways, gotta get out of this basement full of servers (I guess you could call it a data center), cheers everyone..;) (lol) |
| 10:05.07 | larsl | themill: Not that I have changed myself since the installation at least. |
| 10:05.24 | larsl | themill: And I can cat /proc/bus/usb as a normal user just fine. |
| 10:05.35 | larsl | .../devices |
| 10:05.46 | SerajewelKS | liable: hmm |
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| 10:06.10 | liable | SerajewelKS: your 450000 ik blocks adds up to 450 MB innit? |
| 10:06.16 | liable | 1k |
| 10:06.18 | internat2 | !b-e |
| 10:06.18 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential. See also <qotd49>. |
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| 10:06.29 | SerajewelKS | liable: presumably |
| 10:07.34 | liable | SerajewelKS: just as long as I am not going mad, the all is well :) |
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| 10:07.49 | SerajewelKS | liable: the disk was about 10gb |
| 10:08.09 | SerajewelKS | liable: so 5% of 10gb would mean 100mb reserved... so 350mb used, no? |
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| 10:08.11 | liable | SerajewelKS: doesnt -h do MB ? |
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| 10:08.23 | SerajewelKS | liable: probably |
| 10:08.37 | themill | -h uses k M or G depending on context |
| 10:08.53 | liable | SerajewelKS: yes 350, that page says 353 for standard install :) |
| 10:09.11 | liable | SerajewelKS: he said 44MB |
| 10:09.36 | liable | which was actually 44KB the size of the meta-package |
| 10:09.36 | SerajewelKS | liable: but 'du -sbx /' said about 260mb |
| 10:10.09 | liable | SerajewelKS: either way, i think i said ~220MB |
| 10:10.11 | SerajewelKS | liable: and without the -b too, it was still close to 260 |
| 10:10.17 | liable | dont make me scroll! |
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| 10:10.31 | SerajewelKS | liable: yes, i'm not saying you were wrong, i'm just trying to figure out why df and du disagree |
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| 10:12.23 | SerajewelKS | no wait, it would be 500mb reserved... dammit i'm so confused |
| 10:12.41 | liable | SerajewelKS: interestingly, du man page says 'estimate' |
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| 10:14.05 | SerajewelKS | liable: 100 or 200mb is a pretty gross estimation error |
| 10:15.12 | themill | do you need to tell du the right block size? If you get it wrong, the estimate will be very wrong when you have lots of small files. |
| 10:15.35 | liable | SerajewelKS: certainly is, but if it rounds up over the total of thousands of files, who knows. seems a little strange that it actually mentions estimate in the man page to start with |
| 10:15.57 | RichiH | does /proc/cpuinfo tell me if a processor should support speedstep? |
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| 10:16.36 | SerajewelKS | liable: if it rounded up it would overestimate, not underestimate |
| 10:16.37 | RichiH | i have a celeron m merom-1024 model 520 sitting in fornt of me and google disagrees with itself if that cpu should support speedstep |
| 10:16.56 | liable | SerajewelKS: s/round up/round down/ :P |
| 10:17.14 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 10:17.41 | liable | it uses int's :) |
| 10:18.31 | liable | sounds like a good little task to find out |
| 10:18.47 | SerajewelKS | yes it does, have fun, i need sleep :) |
| 10:19.00 | liable | bah, i was meaning for you! |
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| 10:19.58 | SerajewelKS | i might later but i'm really tired right now and i move back to college in ~8hrs |
| 10:19.59 | bk | Hi! I have a debian server that im starting to maintain. Can anybody tell me how i can see what version af Debian is installed on it? |
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| 10:20.11 | SerajewelKS | bk: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:20.18 | slapfaceware | how do i create a man page |
| 10:20.25 | liable | SerajewelKS: k, will see if i can come up with anything. gn |
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| 10:20.42 | bk | SerajewelKS: that just tells me it is a testing/ubstable |
| 10:20.50 | SerajewelKS | liable: ok, if you do please pm your findings, i don't usually check backscroll :) |
| 10:20.53 | war | I am running Debian testing I want my iPod to be mounted automatically when I plug it in, what is the best way to accomplish this? |
| 10:20.58 | liable | SerajewelKS: will do |
| 10:20.58 | SerajewelKS | bk: then you are using testing or unstable |
| 10:21.03 | SerajewelKS | liable: thanks |
| 10:21.11 | bk | i meant if it was 3.0 og 4.0 or something like that |
| 10:21.15 | liable | bk: and thats not very desirable on a server. have fun :) |
| 10:21.18 | cast | bk: you're in for fun with testing/unstable :) |
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| 10:21.32 | SerajewelKS | bk: testing and unstable have no release number; they are not releases |
| 10:21.35 | bk | liable: i know.. First thing i had to do was to recover the root password too :) |
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| 10:21.42 | bk | samba: ah. thanks |
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| 10:21.53 | liable | bk: ugh, unhappy admin leaving? |
| 10:22.00 | bk | how can i see what services the server is running. liek apache and mysql |
| 10:22.02 | SerajewelKS | bk: what version of libc6 do you have? (dpkg -l libc6) |
| 10:22.14 | bk | liable: more like im the first admin here who knows how to use linux :) |
| 10:22.37 | bk | SerajewelKS: 2.3.6-18 |
| 10:22.41 | SerajewelKS | bk: you might get a good feel with 'netstat -tnlpu' |
| 10:22.48 | SerajewelKS | bk: right column will have the process names |
| 10:23.02 | SerajewelKS | hmm, 2.3.6 is etch i think |
| 10:23.04 | liable | bk: hehe, yet you dont know how to find services running? |
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| 10:23.25 | bk | liable: just by checing every serivce in /etc/init.d |
| 10:23.42 | bk | and never used debian before.. i prefer suse with the amaxing YaST |
| 10:23.47 | SerajewelKS | hmm i think it is lenny, but not dist-upgraded in a while |
| 10:24.04 | liable | bk: what does this box do? if you can take it down, using stable is most definetely recomended |
| 10:24.08 | bk | SerajewelKS: might be... BUt i dont like the idea of having a unstable version |
| 10:24.17 | liable | !info libc6 lenny |
| 10:24.20 | SerajewelKS | bk: so wipe it |
| 10:24.24 | bk | liable: this is a quite large enterprise where windwos fits best |
| 10:24.24 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
| 10:24.30 | SerajewelKS | liable: 2.6.1-1 here |
| 10:24.31 | liable | eww |
| 10:24.36 | bk | SerajewelKS: i will. Just got to check whats on it first |
| 10:24.50 | SerajewelKS | liable: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 is the latest in etch |
| 10:24.58 | bk | so you guys think that this is an old lenny? |
| 10:25.14 | SerajewelKS | bk: that's my guess |
| 10:25.20 | SerajewelKS | bk: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:25.32 | liable | bk: whats your libc6 version again? |
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| 10:25.40 | SerajewelKS | liable: 2.3.6-18 |
| 10:25.50 | bk | liable: 2.3.6-18 |
| 10:26.13 | bk | SerajewelKS: the souorces.list is fucked... apt-get doesnt find any files to download |
| 10:26.26 | bk | debian |
| 10:26.32 | bk | deb ftp://ftp.is.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 10:26.32 | bk | deb-src ftp://ftp.is.debian.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 10:26.34 | SerajewelKS | bk: oh nice, you're in for a fun ride |
| 10:26.36 | liable | bk: yeah, i would say horrifically unupdated testing box |
| 10:26.39 | SerajewelKS | whoo unstable server |
| 10:26.58 | bk | Yep |
| 10:27.00 | SerajewelKS | bk: probably meant to be ftp.us |
| 10:27.16 | liable | bk: reinstall it if its really an internet facing box |
| 10:27.16 | bk | teh old sysadmins here (only windows guys) had been staring at the server for months trying to figure out the root pass |
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| 10:27.28 | bk | SerajewelKS: nah. is. mi on iceland |
| 10:27.37 | SerajewelKS | oh fun |
| 10:27.50 | SerajewelKS | bk: what does the server do? |
| 10:28.33 | SerajewelKS | i'd say unplug the cat5 cable and see if nobody complains about it in a week... if not then wipe it :) |
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| 10:30.44 | liable | SerajewelKS: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/freebsd-why-command-df-and-du-reports-different-output.html |
| 10:30.51 | erik__ | #flood |
| 10:32.15 | liable | SerajewelKS: for another take |
| 10:32.25 | liable | http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2002/05/msg00046.html |
| 10:32.35 | bk | SerajewelKS: as far as i can see nothing |
| 10:32.48 | bk | it will e usedfor teaching students tpo code php, use aache and mysql |
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| 10:32.59 | SerajewelKS | liable: interesting, unlinked files |
| 10:33.04 | SerajewelKS | liable: that didn't occur to me |
| 10:33.15 | bk | look like somebody set it up and forgot all about it until they saw it lying in a corner and running and it hadnt freezed |
| 10:33.37 | liable | SerajewelKS: i was thinking doudo hacked your box :) |
| 10:33.47 | SerajewelKS | liable: oh noes! |
| 10:34.42 | liable | this ones a better explanation http://www.acersupport.com/ess/articles/articles/14.cfm |
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| 10:36.16 | larsl | Hm. |
| 10:36.47 | larsl | What do you do when 'rmmod' has frozen and can't even be interrupted by ctrl-c? |
| 10:36.53 | larsl | Is it dangerous to kill -9 it? |
| 10:37.12 | liable | you prolly have an oops happening |
| 10:37.15 | liable | dmesg |
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| 10:37.26 | larsl | Nope. |
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| 10:37.42 | indraveni | hi all |
| 10:37.50 | indraveni | when i am executing the command syslinux /dev/sdb1 |
| 10:37.51 | themill | larsl: if ^C doesn't kill it then -9 probably won't either ;( |
| 10:37.56 | indraveni | i am seeing the error messge , Syntax error at line 1 column 6 in file /root/.mtoolsrc: drive letter expected |
| 10:38.00 | larsl | Screw it, I'll just reboot. |
| 10:38.09 | indraveni | and my /root/.mtoolsrc is having drive sdb: file="/dev/sdb" |
| 10:38.09 | indraveni | ~ |
| 10:38.14 | larsl | It's the Windows Solution. |
| 10:38.21 | liable | larsl: does it shutdown softly? |
| 10:38.28 | larsl | Softly? |
| 10:38.28 | indraveni | why does syslinux give me such error? |
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| 10:38.50 | liable | larsl: without the power button |
| 10:39.09 | larsl | liable: I guess I will find out. =) |
| 10:39.27 | liable | looks like it.. |
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| 10:42.29 | larsl | liable: It did not, I had to use the button. |
| 10:43.08 | liable | larsl: that sounds like an oops or kernel bug. which module? |
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| 10:43.29 | larsl | liable: m560x. Experimental webcam driver. |
| 10:43.35 | liable | there ya go |
| 10:43.44 | larsl | But I just discovered that I didn't install the firmware before I loaded it. |
| 10:43.50 | liable | larsl: got another box with linux on the lan? |
| 10:43.57 | larsl | liable: Got no LAN. |
| 10:44.04 | larsl | Just a single ethernet jack. |
| 10:44.07 | liable | bugger |
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| 10:44.25 | larsl | Although I'm getting a wireless router... =) |
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| 10:44.38 | liable | not much help without another box |
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| 10:44.56 | larsl | I have another box. |
| 10:45.00 | larsl | Two others even. |
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| 10:45.11 | liable | larsl: and you dont have a router? |
| 10:45.15 | larsl | Nope. |
| 10:46.21 | liable | you can use netconsole if you need to get oops messages if it continues |
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| 10:47.35 | larsl | Looks like it went smoother with the firmware loaded - not as much debug prints when turning the cam on. |
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| 10:48.07 | liable | larsl: thats still a bug in the driver |
| 10:48.31 | larsl | Bah. "v4l2: open /dev/video0: Message too long" |
| 10:48.47 | larsl | I guess I shouldn't be bothering the channel with drivers that aren't even in mainline yet. =) |
| 10:49.14 | liable | prolly, but its quiet, and no one has their panties in a twist yet :) |
| 10:50.08 | cast | how did you know i was wearing panties :o |
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| 10:51.32 | troubled | cast: bah, im more concerned how he knew my password! |
| 10:51.59 | liable | you think your'e concerned! |
| 10:52.19 | haggz | There should be an #unsupported where every channel can send the people who are trying to do the things they aren't supposed to |
| 10:52.39 | liable | the hidden underbelly of #debian revolves around men with panties |
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| 10:52.48 | troubled | heh |
| 10:52.53 | cast | hidden under belly...indeed |
| 10:53.33 | liable | haggz: eh? |
| 10:53.38 | larsl | I'll play a bit more with these drivers later. According to their mailing lists at least some people have got them working, so I'm hopeful. =) |
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| 10:53.43 | haggz | "You want to install Ubuntu packages on your Debian sarge with a custom kernel? Great, try #unsupported" |
| 10:54.02 | liable | no sane irc'er would live there :P |
| 10:54.11 | troubled | haggz: i was thinking ##rocket-science |
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| 10:57.39 | funky | does anyone know if can I script inside the interfaces file? |
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| 10:58.09 | troubled | funky: not script per se, but you can have commands fire on things like if going up or down etc. |
| 10:58.17 | liable | funky: pre-up, post-up are for this |
| 10:58.26 | troubled | funky: there are sub dirs for "scripts" though in that dir that might be more what your after |
| 10:58.44 | wols_ | 12:02 < kombi_> wols_: changed network/infaces to eth2 and 3 and things work, weired as .... <- the more I look at it the more I hate udev |
| 10:58.45 | funky | mmm ok, thanks, I'm gonna take a look |
| 10:59.43 | troubled | wols_: the price we pay for dynamic /dev's :( |
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| 11:00.45 | troubled | wols_: although it sucked that we had to transition through devfs first. boy did that turn out to be a mistake |
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| 11:02.13 | troubled | tbh, udev isnt the problem as much as the dev's decision to fsck around with naming on somethings like vmware based nicks. almost seems like a monkey tossing a wrench into the cog's for no reason other than he doesnt like some devices |
| 11:02.27 | liable | wols_: its easilt rectified by removing or editing the appropriate file |
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| 11:02.38 | liable | wols_: udev is really a good thing |
| 11:02.56 | liable | apart from there being fuck all info on how it actually works |
| 11:02.59 | wols_ | good idea, shitty implementatin imho |
| 11:03.07 | wols_ | yep, docs too |
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| 11:03.15 | liable | but i think most people just hate it because of its honeymoon period |
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| 11:03.50 | haggz | its funny, I was just reading through the debian scripts in /etc/rcS.d for stuff like setting up udev and there are some great comments hiding in there |
| 11:04.00 | liable | people can now focus there hotplug issues on udev as well |
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| 11:04.17 | liable | s/there/their/ |
| 11:04.30 | themill | scapegoats make life easier.... |
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| 11:05.04 | liable | i used to hate the udev breaking my booting kernel too, but its really quite a nifty thing |
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| 11:05.40 | troubled | haggz: like "# I wonder if these fools realise udev was an april fool's joke yet?" :) |
| 11:05.48 | liable | having MD as the debian dev didnt help its cause either |
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| 11:06.58 | wols_ | MD? |
| 11:07.09 | liable | marco |
| 11:07.24 | liable | the debian maintainer |
| 11:07.28 | troubled | liable: my one question aimed at the dev's is why they felt the need to rename the vmware nick to eth1 or whatever |
| 11:07.36 | troubled | s/nick/nic/ |
| 11:08.10 | liable | wols_: read the .12 kernel issue for an insight into his thought :) |
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| 11:08.31 | liable | its the funniest and most depressing bug i have read |
| 11:08.43 | troubled | liable: got a url? :) |
| 11:08.57 | liable | i used to have it bookmarked, sec |
| 11:09.22 | liable | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=317332 |
| 11:09.25 | troubled | sorry to make you work. I would google myself if I had the slighest clue what I was googlin for |
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| 11:11.12 | wols_ | ,v |
| 11:11.14 | wols_ | , |
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| 11:11.31 | wols_ | liable: found blog.bofh.it via google. fun stuff already |
| 11:11.41 | troubled | liable: heh, sounds like it was an april fools joke :) |
| 11:11.55 | troubled | !bofh |
| 11:11.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bofh is http://bofh.ntk.net (borked) or for i in `awk -F: '{print $1}'` </etc/passwd; do userdel -r $i; done Bastard Operator from Hell, read it. at http://members.iinet.net.au/~bofh/. BOFHs hang out on http://scarydevilmonastery.net and wield LARTs |
| 11:12.05 | liable | wols_: MD is definately BOFH material |
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| 11:13.39 | well_src | anyone familiar with iptables? how to allow all traffic from and to 192.168.0.3 |
| 11:13.45 | liable | troubled: unfortunately, the many people that couldnt boot debian didnt find it funny at all :) |
| 11:13.55 | cast | well_src: it does that by default... |
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| 11:14.15 | haggz | Every project has a few contributors who think that doing the 'right' thing justifies breaking all kinds of things. Linus was just bitching at someone on lkml who'd submitted a patch that breaks working NFS setups by making them work 'the same' as other filesystems. |
| 11:14.49 | well_src | cast, i used bastille， it modified the config file and 192.168.0.3 is blocked |
| 11:15.54 | cast | well_src: iptables -L, don't know what bastille does |
| 11:16.07 | troubled | liable: well, if there were running sid I would say tough luck,dem's the breaks. but for stable or possibly testing? eek! |
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| 11:17.01 | well_src | cast, iptables -L shows much, i do not dare to paste them here |
| 11:17.15 | liable | troubled: yes, sid users dealt with it, but if you read the report through, it did indeed affect testing users |
| 11:17.31 | liable | effect |
| 11:17.42 | troubled | affect |
| 11:17.45 | troubled | ;) |
| 11:18.12 | liable | what can i say except too many beers.. :) |
| 11:18.36 | troubled | at 7am?! |
| 11:18.47 | troubled | dude, you gotta at least wait til 8am ;p |
| 11:18.49 | cast | !tell well_src about paste |
| 11:18.51 | liable | yes, nothing like beer for breakfast |
| 11:19.13 | liable | unless you live in my timezone, and its actually night time |
| 11:19.29 | troubled | dont make me ctcp you! :p |
| 11:19.36 | liable | .au |
| 11:19.37 | well_src | cast, use nopaste ? |
| 11:19.41 | troubled | ah, .ca |
| 11:19.52 | liable | eh? |
| 11:20.00 | troubled | very funny.... |
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| 11:20.15 | cast | well_src: i like rafb.net/paste/ but suit yourself |
| 11:20.17 | liable | troubled: i live in astralya |
| 11:20.57 | troubled | liable: n'd u sp-eek foo-net-ick-alley? |
| 11:21.30 | liable | wols_: love 22 of july blog :) |
| 11:21.32 | well_src | cast, please look at http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/3117 |
| 11:21.49 | geo-rge | do you do astralayan projections? |
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| 11:21.52 | Bogus8 | what's wrong with this line? "if [ $1 = "IP" ]; then" |
| 11:21.57 | troubled | well_src: heh, is that seriously the paste? |
| 11:22.04 | cast | well_src: do you use ubuntu.. |
| 11:22.15 | well_src | cast, debian actually |
| 11:22.16 | liable | troubled: you gotta here it to believe it :) |
| 11:22.24 | liable | hear even |
| 11:22.31 | geo-rge | Bogus8: there's no fi |
| 11:22.35 | Bogus8 | it tells me "... [: =: unary operator expected" |
| 11:22.36 | liable | stupid misspelling fingers |
| 11:22.45 | liable | they dont know engrish |
| 11:22.52 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: I have on futher down... it's a VERY simple if else statement |
| 11:23.01 | geo-rge | so what's the problem? |
| 11:23.15 | troubled | well_src: nm, misread |
| 11:23.26 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: it tells me "... [: =: unary operator expected" |
| 11:23.27 | karmatronic | Bogus8: "if [ "$1" == "IP" ]; then" |
| 11:23.42 | troubled | Bogus8: still working on that script i assume? |
| 11:23.49 | geo-rge | ok and at the time, $1 == ? |
| 11:23.50 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: why does it accept a single "=" sometimes and not others? |
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| 11:24.21 | Bogus8 | troubled: this is a different one... well, actually it's a tweak to that one ... decided to make it echo the IP so I could use it with SCP if I wanted |
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| 11:24.51 | karmatronic | Bogus8: what you mean with "sometimes it accepts single =" |
| 11:25.10 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: I have another way more elaborate nested if else statement that only uses a single = just like that one... I actually was looking at it to make sure I get he syntax right |
| 11:25.17 | Bogus8 | it doesn't toss up errors |
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| 11:25.44 | liable | wow, icewaesal has some weird history shit going on atm |
| 11:25.52 | karmatronic | if you use a single = , you re doing an assignation |
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| 11:26.17 | liable | twice now its done something weird and opened url's that were in history |
| 11:26.22 | Crypticfortune | i'm confused by exim. If i want to set a central_filter, where (in the sprawling maze that is /etc/exim4) should i put that so it won't get clobbered by updates etc? |
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| 11:26.35 | liable | it just opened a whole new window with 5 tabs of history |
| 11:26.52 | karmatronic | Bogus8: since the result is a success , you never check the condition |
| 11:27.03 | karmatronic | Bogus8: so ...always use double = !!! |
| 11:27.08 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: not sure I follow you... here is the line from the other script that runs with no hiccups at all "if [ $DOW = "Sun" ]; then" |
| 11:27.11 | well_src | cast, are u reading my rules? |
| 11:27.22 | cast | i was |
| 11:27.31 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: the script actually works, it just gives that error |
| 11:27.37 | cast | till i didn't know what BASE-ADDRESS.MCAST.NET/4 was |
| 11:27.38 | liable | ahm in ur box makin ur rulez |
| 11:27.41 | cast | then i started talking to my friend |
| 11:28.06 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: if I don't type "IP" after the script then it does the "else" statement |
| 11:28.10 | karmatronic | Bogus8: forgive me , what im seaying is only valid for C stuff ... |
| 11:28.11 | themill | Bogus8: if $1 is not set then the command looks like: if [ = "IP" ]; .... which is wrong as = needs two operators. |
| 11:28.34 | themill | karmatronic, Bogus8: in bash, you only use one =. see man [ or man test |
| 11:28.48 | Bogus8 | themill: Ah, so when I don't put ANYTHING after the script it fucks up the comparirator |
| 11:29.18 | Bogus8 | themill: so what is the proper way to do this when I want to test whether or not I put something after the script? |
| 11:29.19 | themill | Bogus8: yes. You either need some quoting in or to test that $1 is set first. |
| 11:29.20 | abrotman | i don't think that's a word |
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| 11:29.35 | Bogus8 | abrotman: you like that ;) |
| 11:30.16 | Bogus8 | themill: how do you mean "quoting in"? |
| 11:30.42 | cast | well_src: not sure, find out what BASE-ADDRESS.MCAST.NET/4 catches - everything else is all anything anything, |
| 11:30.58 | karmatronic | Bogus8: like this "$1" instead of just $1 |
| 11:31.13 | themill | Bogus8: if [ "$1" = "IP" ]; .... |
| 11:31.14 | troubled | cast: "everything else is all anything anything"? |
| 11:31.24 | troubled | themill: ==? |
| 11:31.26 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: ah ok... I thought that might try to be more literal if I did that |
| 11:31.49 | cast | my bad. everything else is all anywhere anywhere :) |
| 11:31.52 | themill | troubled: no. man [ |
| 11:32.07 | themill | troubled: we're doing bash conditionals not C |
| 11:32.23 | karmatronic | themill: right right |
| 11:32.25 | Bogus8 | themill: worked perfect man... thanks |
| 11:32.27 | karmatronic | :) |
| 11:32.37 | Bogus8 | I learned a lot today and got a lot accomplished! |
| 11:32.46 | themill | :) |
| 11:32.52 | troubled | themill: fair enough |
| 11:33.03 | Bogus8 | thanks to cafuego, troubled, karmatronic and themill ... thanks fellas! |
| 11:33.15 | troubled | wtf did I do now? |
| 11:33.30 | themill | beer? coffee? |
| 11:33.54 | abrotman | are you still at work? |
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| 11:35.30 | Bogus8 | troubled: honestly I don't remember what you helped me with but I know we conversed a good bit earlier so I assume you were helping me with some hang up I was having :) |
| 11:36.03 | troubled | Bogus8: i know, i was just bugging (sed/awk/cut/head/tail conversation btw) |
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| 11:36.14 | Bogus8 | oh yeah... very much helpful! |
| 11:36.19 | setuid | Why did Debian break the libapreq2 packages? Sigh. |
| 11:36.24 | setuid | perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/auto/APR/Request/Apache2/Apache2.so: undefined symbol: modperl_xs_sv2request_rec |
| 11:36.31 | Bogus8 | sorry to forget the topic but as I said, I went through a lot tonight |
| 11:36.46 | setuid | All of the Apache2::Request symbols in the package are excluded, which renders the package useless for any mod_perl2 work. |
| 11:37.02 | Bogus8 | set up postfix and got mailx in scripts and various other things :) |
| 11:37.14 | troubled | setuid: paperweight now? |
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| 11:37.53 | troubled | Bogus8: behold the power of linux |
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| 11:38.14 | Bogus8 | troubled: LOL, yeah, I certainly renewed my hype for it ;) |
| 11:38.18 | spoown | hello all |
| 11:38.25 | troubled | although i would have went with exim over postfix. but meh, both equally capable |
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| 11:39.03 | karmatronic | Bogus8:postfix rules |
| 11:39.11 | trebor_win | may i ask a question about ssh? |
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| 11:39.15 | Bogus8 | troubled: I was just tired of trying to sort through all the "making a REAL server" vs just talking to my ISP's smtp server |
| 11:39.23 | abrotman | setuid: bts ? also ... IIRC that's a beta-ish release that got into etch |
| 11:39.24 | karmatronic | Bogus8: plus imap? |
| 11:39.28 | abrotman | (maybe that was sarge) |
| 11:39.32 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: ask away |
| 11:39.35 | cast | trebor_win: what gifts do you bring |
| 11:39.44 | karmatronic | trebor_win:i allow you |
| 11:39.47 | troubled | Bogus8: exim does smarthost setups fairly easy too |
| 11:39.54 | setuid | abrotman, bts? |
| 11:39.59 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: no imap here... I don't think ;) |
| 11:40.00 | trebor_win | ok. currently i do have 2 client-machines A, B which connect to server C. |
| 11:40.11 | troubled | Bogus8: the hard part is finding out the file you have to create to store the password and its syntax :) |
| 11:40.30 | trebor_win | A and B do have 3 tunnels each (for CVS, SVN and VNC (special apps running only on C)) |
| 11:40.34 | setuid | abrotman, I'll try rebuilding libapreq2 from source |
| 11:40.50 | Bogus8 | troubled: well, I don't need any passwords yet.. just sending email now |
| 11:41.02 | trebor_win | _now_ i would like to connect A and B via C (an application running on B only) |
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| 11:41.19 | Bogus8 | troubled: but I will soon be figuring out fetchmail and doing some bouncing for a "poorman's blackberry" :) |
| 11:41.22 | troubled | Bogus8: most mta's require you to login to send mail though |
| 11:41.30 | trebor_win | which tunnels do i have to add? |
| 11:41.39 | abrotman | setuid: bugs.debian.org |
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| 11:41.47 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: can C connect to B? |
| 11:41.51 | Bogus8 | and A |
| 11:42.17 | karmatronic | Bogus8: i guess only C is the server |
| 11:42.21 | Bogus8 | troubled: I'm using cox.. as long as I'm on their network I'm good |
| 11:42.38 | setuid | abrotman, I'll submit a patch, if I can get it working (should be a simple patch to ./debian/rules) |
| 11:42.39 | trebor_win | Bogus8: no. only A can reach C and B can reach C, not the other way. |
| 11:42.42 | troubled | Bogus8: thats handy. wish more isps were like that |
| 11:42.43 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: ? |
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| 11:43.34 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: you need to set it up where you can ssh from C to B and C to A (assuming I understand you right and you want to be able to go from A to B and B to A and they can't actually see each other) |
| 11:43.42 | karmatronic | trebor_win: you want to connect from A to B? |
| 11:43.45 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: if they can see each other then just talk directly |
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| 11:44.17 | Bogus8 | yeah, I may be over thinking this |
| 11:44.18 | karmatronic | Bogus8: but he only has one ssh server .the otheres are clients machines |
| 11:44.32 | trebor_win | Bogus8: that is not possible. the only way is A reachs C && B reachs C. |
| 11:44.57 | karmatronic | trebor_win: so what do you want exactly ? |
| 11:45.07 | trebor_win | karmatronic: yes. only connections from A to C and B to C are allowed. |
| 11:45.10 | Bogus8 | well, there maybe a way, (someone speak up so I can learn) but I think you will need an ssh server on C |
| 11:45.13 | Bogus8 | err B |
| 11:45.37 | karmatronic | trebor_win: so what do you want exactly ? |
| 11:46.17 | trebor_win | i would like to indirectly connect A and B through C. |
| 11:46.19 | spoown | Does anyone known a way to do an infine loop in bash without the command seq and arithmetique in bash ? |
| 11:47.10 | trebor_win | now it is like A->C && B->C goal is A-(C)->B |
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| 11:47.48 | troubled | spoown: while(true);do echo foo;done |
| 11:47.54 | karmatronic | spoown: |
| 11:48.08 | karmatronic | while [1=1] ; |
| 11:48.43 | karmatronic | trebor_win: you cant ,or you might use netcat on client machines |
| 11:49.13 | troubled | trebor_win: are A & B on the same eth? |
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| 11:49.18 | bolt | //////join #apache |
| 11:49.25 | bolt | er. right. |
| 11:50.13 | spoown | troubled, wonderfull, didn't known that it exists in bash !! Thanks a lot ! |
| 11:50.26 | trebor_win | troubled: no. A is at home. C is freely available in the net. B is behind a firewall. |
| 11:50.38 | karmatronic | trebor_win: from A ssh -R 10000:127.0.0.1:10000 C |
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| 11:51.02 | karmatronic | trebor_win: from B ssh -L 10000:127.0.0.1:10000 C |
| 11:51.12 | troubled | trebor_win: ever considered just putting them in an ipsec tunnel on say 10.x and letting C act as the firewall and let them address each other directly? |
| 11:51.31 | karmatronic | trebor_win: this way , you connect from B to A on port 10000 |
| 11:51.39 | troubled | trebor_win: hmm, i assume your aiming for ssh only solution? |
| 11:51.53 | karmatronic | trebor_win: but still you neeed something listening on your port (nectat for instance ) |
| 11:51.58 | omry | using Lenny, installed gd for php5. but the function http://il2.php.net/imageantialias does not seem to be available. any idea? |
| 11:52.06 | trebor_win | troubled: ipsec is not an option (A may vary). |
| 11:52.26 | trebor_win | karmatronic: thank you very much! |
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| 11:53.34 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: why not run sshd on B? |
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| 11:53.53 | trebor_win | Bogus8: A can not see B. |
| 11:53.58 | karmatronic | Bogus8: because B might be a win32 machine at work |
| 11:54.09 | karmatronic | Bogus8: behind a firewall |
| 11:54.21 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: with an app he can access via ssh?! |
| 11:54.47 | jvm123 | hello! i've root access with ssh to a virtual server running debian. can someone give me start help how to install x11 & vnc on this server? i would like to be able to use a gui running on this server from anywhere. |
| 11:54.49 | trebor_win | Bogus8: with an app i can use via vnc via ssh via C (i hope) |
| 11:55.42 | Bogus8 | so you are mainly looking to hack open a back door through the firewall via ssh |
| 11:55.54 | Bogus8 | basically poke a hole in the firewall |
| 11:55.59 | trebor_win | Bogus8: I am allowed to do so. |
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| 11:56.15 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: why not just have a NAT set up and forward the port for VNC? |
| 11:56.22 | karmatronic | Bogus8: there s a already a hole in the firewall since he can connect from B to C |
| 11:56.45 | setuid | abrotman, Something Fishy this Way Comes (re: libapreq2) |
| 11:56.50 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: B to C just means he's initiating the connection from B |
| 11:56.51 | trebor_win | Bogus8: as karmatronic said i already use CVS, SVN and VNC on C via ssh. |
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| 11:57.25 | trebor_win | Bogus8: the aim is to use another indirected VNC. |
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| 11:57.40 | trebor_win | Bogus8: between the clients. |
| 11:57.47 | themill | omry: does your phpinfo() show that gd is successfully loaded? |
| 11:57.49 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: if you have perm why not just do it the easy way? or is it proof of concept? |
| 11:57.59 | omry | themill, yes. |
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| 11:58.31 | trebor_win | Bogus8: i am only doing simulations & numerics - i am not an admin. |
| 11:58.39 | cast | someone already suggested ssh -L or -R? seems the easy way to get a con from one client to the other through the server |
| 11:58.54 | trebor_win | Bogus8: if i was an admin i would be a poor one, isn't it? |
| 11:58.54 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: can't you get the admin to set it up for you? |
| 11:59.38 | trebor_win | Bogus8: not now ... |
| 11:59.38 | Bogus8 | trebor_win: nah, we are all learning... I'm an admin on several small systems and I'm hardly a pro ;) |
| 11:59.43 | karmatronic | trebor_win: you want to connect with vnc from B to A through C right ? |
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| 11:59.49 | trebor_win | karmatronic: yes. |
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| 12:00.09 | Bogus8 | I'm interested in this sollution also :) |
| 12:00.31 | trebor_win | karmatronic: actually there are more than only A and B (there are A1 A2 ... (laptop, ..):)) |
| 12:00.51 | trebor_win | karmatronic: yes. |
| 12:01.25 | abrotman | setuid: ? |
| 12:01.32 | abrotman | setuid: nice movie reference :) |
| 12:01.32 | karmatronic | trebor_win on A vncserver; ssh -R 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 C |
| 12:01.35 | LeonThePunisher | hi, I have problem with drivers nvidia. I'm using nvidia installer. After install I'm doing /etc/init.d/restart and then xserver cant start. There is log from xorg http://wklej.org/id/a1a12bf5c7 |
| 12:01.39 | abrotman | setuid: erm .. book .. movie .. whatever :) |
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| 12:01.51 | LeonThePunisher | mayby somebody know what is wrong |
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| 12:01.59 | setuid | abrotman, Upstream source compiles clean, all tests pass 100%, but its still throwing the error. I wonder if there's a symbol missing inside Apache itself. |
| 12:02.26 | setuid | apreq2-config:INCLUDES=" -I/usr/include/apr-1.0 -I/usr/include/postgresql" |
| 12:02.28 | setuid | postgres?! |
| 12:02.48 | karmatronic | trebor_win: on B ssh -L 5900:127.0.0.1:5900 C and launch vncviewer 127.0.0.1:5900 then |
| 12:02.52 | trebor_win | karmatronic: and on B: ssh -L 5900:localhost:5900 A |
| 12:03.13 | trebor_win | karmatronic: ah, i see. |
| 12:03.15 | themill | omry: can you pastebin the output of this for me: php -r "print_r(gd_info());" |
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| 12:03.40 | trebor_win | karmatronic: perfect. thank you very much. |
| 12:04.07 | karmatronic | trebor_win: welcome |
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| 12:04.13 | abrotman | setuid: it is the best DB in the world! |
| 12:04.24 | Bogus8 | karmatronic: nice... I learned yet one more thing ;) |
| 12:04.34 | setuid | abrotman, Well, since I don't run it, I don't see why libapreq2 is trying to include support for it |
| 12:05.05 | LeonThePunisher | thx |
| 12:05.18 | setuid | holy crap, looks like someone linked it into Apache itself |
| 12:05.21 | setuid | grrr |
| 12:05.32 | setuid | libpq4 and libpq-dev |
| 12:05.35 | karmatronic | setuid: postgrrrr |
| 12:05.51 | setuid | How do I look up dependencies on a per-package basis again? like "What packages rely on libpq4" |
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| 12:06.10 | omry | themill, http://yadan.net/test.php |
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| 12:06.58 | abrotman | setuid: maybe you sohuld contact the maintainer instead of mucking with it |
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| 12:07.24 | setuid | abrotman, I need to identify if the problem is in my method of instantiating the objects, or the literal lack of the proper symbols in the upstream package. |
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| 12:07.35 | setuid | What I'm doing, is very simplistic... |
| 12:07.41 | hark | setuid: apt-cache rdepends libpq4 |
| 12:07.52 | xinming | Currently, I have my debian install in lvm, Is it safe to make a snapshot of the current debian, and backup using the snapshot? |
| 12:08.07 | setuid | use Apache2::Request; my $apr = Apache2::Request->new($r); my $action = $apr->param('a'); |
| 12:08.13 | xinming | Sorry, just for confirmation, as I don't know about how lvm deals with open files |
| 12:08.14 | themill | omry: that all looks quite sensible.... |
| 12:08.25 | setuid | hark, Thanks |
| 12:08.26 | setuid | apt-cache rdepends libpq4 | wc -l |
| 12:08.27 | setuid | 119 |
| 12:08.28 | setuid | owch |
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| 12:08.33 | themill | omry: ahh... hang on. From the php manual: "This function is only available if PHP is compiled with the bundled version of the GD library." |
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| 12:09.07 | cast | xinming: probably - if you're running applications that are still accessing the disk as you do that i think it might be very difficult to be sure their files are consistant |
| 12:09.25 | omry | themill, yet: http://buzz.yadan.net/ |
| 12:09.29 | themill | omry: which of course it isn't in debian because the real gd is available. |
| 12:09.55 | omry | themill, yeah, I was wondering about this bit. what can I do to get this function? |
| 12:10.01 | omry | what is the "debian way" for it? |
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| 12:10.45 | xinming | cast: So, the best way to make the backup of the current debian is probably reboot the system into resuce mode, and make the snapshot? |
| 12:11.13 | abrotman | omry: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321237 |
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| 12:11.49 | xinming | cast: It's like database, we'd better shutdown the database, and make snapshot, and start the service again? (the *safest* way) |
| 12:12.18 | cast | i think rebooting is a bit extreme, rather just shutdown mysqld...etc..but i'm not sure :) |
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| 12:12.57 | cast | i have a feeling that you can be sure your filesystem will be consistant when you take the snapshot |
| 12:13.01 | omry | abrotman, I see.so the only way is to compile php myself and install it manually? |
| 12:13.26 | xinming | cast: thanks, that's what I thought also, But in LVM howto, It doesn't tell this. :-) |
| 12:13.30 | cast | but that sets of files that apps were using, and maybe still had changes in memory that hadn't been written back to disk are the main issue.. |
| 12:13.49 | cast | xinming: take a snapshot. then mount it and see :) |
| 12:13.54 | themill | omry: I'm guessing you'll need to do that. yes. You may as well start with the debian source though and make a package for it just changing the build flags. |
| 12:14.04 | xinming | cast: But It's hard to produce this situation. |
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| 12:14.39 | omry | themill, I`ll try to do that (never created a custom package before) |
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| 12:15.09 | abrotman | omry: you could also file a bug at php.net asking them to send their changes upstread |
| 12:15.12 | abrotman | stream |
| 12:15.55 | omry | I don't understand what they are thinking to begin with. |
| 12:16.10 | abrotman | omry: they write PHP .. no one understands what they are thinking :) |
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| 12:16.20 | omry | :) |
| 12:16.32 | themill | omry: there are many mysteries in this world and so many of them are to do with php... |
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| 12:16.42 | abrotman | !tell rexss21 about root |
| 12:16.53 | omry | themill, there are 10 big mysteries, 9 of which are PHP related. |
| 12:16.57 | ExxKA | is there such a thing as a package containing gcc, make, and other standard build tools? |
| 12:16.57 | omry | :) |
| 12:17.06 | themill | !b-e ExxKA |
| 12:17.06 | dpkg | ExxKA: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 12:17.18 | ExxKA | thx themill |
| 12:17.27 | cast | xinming: random note: i recall steps for making a snapshot with xfs using xfs_freeze before taking the snapshot |
| 12:17.43 | omry | can anyone give me a working lenny mirror? whatever I try keep having missing files. |
| 12:17.57 | cast | ahh nvm. |
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| 12:18.05 | abrotman | omry: debian.org/mirrors/list |
| 12:18.49 | omry | already tried all the local mirrors. |
| 12:18.52 | omry | (From there) |
| 12:18.59 | abrotman | so try a non-local one |
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| 12:19.01 | abrotman | which files are missing ? |
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| 12:19.52 | omry | php5-cli_5.2.3-1+b1_i386.deb |
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| 12:21.33 | liable | things go missing from testing and unstable, thats how shit happens |
| 12:21.40 | abrotman | omry: and that's what version apt-cache policy says sohuld be there ? |
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| 12:21.49 | themill | omry: have you run an apt-get update recently? |
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| 12:22.08 | omry | themill, just 10 times in the last hour. |
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| 12:22.27 | foo | I have a lot of CGItemp##### files in /var/tmp ... am I ok to delete these? They look like binary files, I can't cat them |
| 12:22.34 | themill | omry: ok... that's often the cause of things being missing from testing/unstable |
| 12:23.15 | omry | themill, what do you mean? that I run update to often? |
| 12:23.35 | omry | I just ran it again when I changed mirrors. |
| 12:23.58 | themill | omry: no, you're doing fine there. It's just that if you *don't* run update for a while, then your packages list will be stale and the .debs will have been replaced. |
| 12:24.19 | abrotman | omry: did you manually check the mirror ? |
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| 12:24.28 | omry | abrotman, nope. |
| 12:24.56 | omry | using a local apt-proxy, this make things even more interesting. |
| 12:25.08 | omry | but I think I found a good mirror, updating from it now. |
| 12:25.13 | abrotman | php5-cli_5.2.3-1+b1_i386.deb |
| 12:25.15 | abrotman | that one ? |
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| 12:25.40 | foo | .w 31 |
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| 12:26.23 | abrotman | foo: depends on the cgi app |
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| 12:27.39 | Matyo | Hy! pls click this link: http://www.freeparty.hu/index.php?link=select&id=1896&voks=10 |
| 12:27.39 | Matyo | Not virus! for me plus 10 dots ! BIG T H X |
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| 12:27.53 | xand | tard |
| 12:28.07 | cast | damn right. we don't get viruses |
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| 12:29.38 | debian-ash | Im currently using Debian on a old Computer. however i am getting a new CPU AMD X2 64 6000+ Dual Core. Would it be worth using the 64 version of ebian |
| 12:30.00 | debian-ash | As i know on servers it causes problems with some libs and webservers, but for a desktop computer is this the same. |
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| 12:30.36 | benny99 | hi, HiSax crashes my machine on (every second) boot -- is there a way to disable it? |
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| 12:30.49 | abrotman | wtf is hisax ? |
| 12:30.58 | abrotman | debian-ash: try it and see |
| 12:31.01 | abrotman | should be fine |
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| 12:31.28 | debian-ash | Thanks |
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| 12:32.04 | benny99 | abrotman, HiSax -- some thingy for my Fritz!Card - I really dunno... it simply crashes my machine on load :/ |
| 12:32.14 | abrotman | stop using it ? |
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| 12:33.06 | omry | themill, any hints for building a custom php package with gd support? |
| 12:33.34 | benny99 | abrotman, xD, yeah.. but I dunno how to stop using it |
| 12:33.55 | benny99 | that's why I asked how I could disable it |
| 12:33.56 | abrotman | is it a module or program ? |
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| 12:34.19 | benny99 | it's a module, but blacklisting didn't help |
| 12:34.21 | corydora | Hello |
| 12:34.22 | jelly-home | abrotman: hisax is a common driver for isdn cards |
| 12:34.34 | themill | omry: the new maintainer's guide is the best place to start reading to see how to make and change packages. |
| 12:34.41 | themill | !tell omry about nmg |
| 12:34.42 | corydora | someone knows some kernel build tuturial that works whith debian?! |
| 12:34.49 | abrotman | jelly-home: didn't isdn die with the 90s ? |
| 12:34.55 | abrotman | !tell corydora about kp |
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| 12:35.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: *nudge* it's still moving |
| 12:36.00 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:36.32 | jelly-home | abrotman: some isdn cards can be a cheap way to connect Asterisk to POTS |
| 12:36.44 | abrotman | i suppose .. but still .. die damn it die! |
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| 12:37.47 | benny99 | I nearly never use it... means: I don't use it, but it's there, I don't want to remove it |
| 12:37.49 | corydora | abrotman thank you very much |
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| 12:38.59 | corydora | abrotman dont you have any manual more big there? |
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| 12:39.12 | random_user | hi everybody |
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| 12:39.32 | lola | how do I make apt not upgrade to a specific version of a package? |
| 12:39.39 | cast | hi random_user |
| 12:39.42 | corydora | i out 5 minuts wireless work in windows |
| 12:39.49 | corydora | i put 5 minuts wireless work in windows |
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| 12:39.55 | abrotman | corydora: uhm .. |
| 12:40.06 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 12:40.06 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 12:40.07 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:40.15 | abrotman | corydora: what about it confuses you ? |
| 12:40.23 | abrotman | !tell lola about hold |
| 12:40.26 | random_user | how is that apt can't reach repositories even if they're online? |
| 12:40.37 | abrotman | bad url ? |
| 12:40.40 | corydora | abrotman>'just need to chance 3 options in kernel to try to have wireless here |
| 12:40.46 | benny99 | gnah.. I guess I have to live with that crashing thingy |
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| 12:41.24 | abrotman | benny99: are you sure it's hisax doing it ? |
| 12:41.57 | benny99 | yep -- or is hisax: fcpipnp something different? |
| 12:41.59 | abrotman | benny99: perhaps you should try to unload the module before you shut down the machine? (i have wifi that won't work on a warm boot) |
| 12:42.23 | abrotman | erm .. won't work if i don't remove the modules |
| 12:42.50 | corydora | do you know if there is another distro that makes this process more easy? |
| 12:43.07 | benny99 | abrotman, I blacklisted those modules, doesn't that mean, that they'll never be loaded at any time? |
| 12:43.27 | benny99 | Ismod says no -.- |
| 12:43.27 | random_user | abrotman: no, I've fetched them with apt-spy |
| 12:43.37 | abrotman | benny99: sometimes they still get loaded |
| 12:43.46 | abrotman | corydora: it's very easy to compile a kernel in debian |
| 12:43.48 | benny99 | hm, why are they loaded although I blacklisted them :( |
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| 12:44.02 | benny99 | abrotman, is there a way to prevent that for sure? |
| 12:44.06 | corydora | abrotman so why im weeks try to compile? |
| 12:44.16 | abrotman | corydora: i have no idea .. but it's really pretty easy |
| 12:44.16 | corydora | and no tuturials looks it is working for me |
| 12:44.19 | themill | corydora: what chipset do you have, what driver are you trying to use and why do you need to recompile your kernel? |
| 12:44.21 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 12:44.21 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 12:44.28 | corydora | so okk im stupid is that? |
| 12:44.32 | DawnLight | how's we all doing folks? |
| 12:44.43 | abrotman | corydora: didn't say that .. you haven't really explained what hasn't worked |
| 12:44.47 | abrotman | other than your kernel |
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| 12:44.58 | themill | corydora: no-one's saying you're stupid. Can you please give us more info to help you. |
| 12:44.59 | abrotman | does it not boot? does it throw eggs? |
| 12:45.16 | avtobiff | hehe. throw eggs :-) |
| 12:45.33 | corydora | but if kernel is easy ... to chanve 3 options why im try for weeks and only have kernel panics?! |
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| 12:45.54 | abrotman | corydora: what wifi do you have ? |
| 12:45.56 | corydora | but if it is easy and it dont wokks so i probably shoud be stupid or something |
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| 12:46.14 | DawnLight | I want to thank you firends a lot. you got me through my migration to debian from a life of windows. i want to tell you i have a wonderfully working system here which serves me better then anything i've knows before. thank you, thank free software developers and users and thank god |
| 12:46.24 | benny99 | corydora, no, I guess you are simply cursed ;) |
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| 12:46.38 | abrotman | corydora: don't feel bad .. benny99 can't blacklist modules :) |
| 12:46.56 | abrotman | benny99: google "debian blacklist pcspkr module" i think |
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| 12:47.10 | DawnLight | abrotman: you've been great help |
| 12:47.14 | benny99 | corydora, yeah.. but once we got it, we can call all other people stupid ,isn't that true satisfaction :) ? |
| 12:47.28 | benny99 | abrotman, pcspkr? |
| 12:47.37 | benny99 | abrotman, hm, pc-speaker? |
| 12:47.41 | abrotman | benny99: it's another difficult to blacklist module |
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| 12:47.48 | abrotman | wait |
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| 12:48.06 | benny99 | abrotman, I want to blacklist that speaker as well anyway, thanks, will try to googel for it :) |
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| 12:48.40 | abrotman | benny99: someone did a good writeup on it .. that i can't find ... |
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| 12:48.54 | RichiH | !find ntfsdump |
| 12:48.56 | themill | corydora: please answer our questions and we'll happily help you |
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| 12:49.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ntfsdump' returned no results. |
| 12:49.04 | themill | corydora: what chipset do you have, what driver are you trying to use and why do you need to recompile your kernel? |
| 12:49.07 | corydora | benny99 if someone say it is easy and im here for weeks is the same things that call me stupid ... allmost but i dont get bad because i see talk talk talk and anyone here can resolve my problem to |
| 12:49.10 | abrotman | DawnLight: i'm sorry :) |
| 12:49.17 | abrotman | corydora: which wifi card do you have ? |
| 12:49.33 | corydora | so ... i dont care |
| 12:49.41 | corydora | ok leave i give up thank you very much |
| 12:49.50 | abrotman | okay then .. good talking to you |
| 12:49.53 | corydora | i cant listen this |
| 12:50.03 | themill | corydora: can't listen to what? us asking you questions? |
| 12:50.20 | themill | bah. |
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| 12:51.13 | themill | some people don't want to be helped. |
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| 12:51.38 | random_user | no, I have a bug. The repotories are set correctly and apt can't reach them. |
| 12:51.43 | benny99 | abrotman, what is "discover" ? |
| 12:51.50 | abrotman | random_user: what are the errors |
| 12:51.56 | wols_ | how is gnome actually started? what's the binary? for kde it's "startkde" iirc. what is the gnome equivalent? |
| 12:52.00 | random_user | error 11: connection refused |
| 12:52.01 | abrotman | benny99: a program that looks for hardware and loads modules |
| 12:52.07 | wols_ | locate gnome |grep bin didn't really find anything useful |
| 12:52.09 | abrotman | wols_: /usr/bin/gnome-session i believe |
| 12:52.15 | wols_ | thanks |
| 12:52.20 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:52.20 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:52.25 | benny99 | abrotman, yep, just read that, but could I simply remove that package? |
| 12:52.30 | abrotman | random_user: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list and your errors |
| 12:52.37 | abrotman | benny99: you could .. but it's not a good idea |
| 12:52.58 | benny99 | abrotman, cause I just read discover > modprobe.d/blacklist :( |
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| 12:53.15 | abrotman | !blacklist |
| 12:53.16 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 12:53.28 | abrotman | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 12:53.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 12:54.35 | benny99 | abrotman, thanks =) |
| 12:54.46 | random_user | abrotman: ok |
| 12:54.48 | abrotman | corydora: which wifi card do you have ? |
| 12:54.50 | random_user | a moment |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | themill: put the hat on! |
| 12:55.05 | corydora | if it easy i already have done and no tuturial works until now |
| 12:55.18 | abrotman | corydora: please tell us *which* wifi card you have so that we can help you |
| 12:55.38 | themill | corydora: please answer our questions. Please forget that you've been trying for any longer than you've been in this channel. |
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| 12:56.33 | corydora | abrotman it is one asus need the ipw3945(wifi) |
| 12:56.40 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 12:56.40 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 12:56.45 | abrotman | see how easy that was |
| 12:56.55 | corydora | abrotman this means thta i nede to compile the kernel first |
| 12:56.57 | abrotman | no |
| 12:57.02 | pumpkin0 | i tried to use grub on a USB-drive. it sort off works, but i get a "Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7". the grub-menu is there, it reads the right menu.lst. But it does not like NTFS-partitions. Any ideas (like where the grub-channel is ...)? |
| 12:57.15 | abrotman | this means you use a debian kernel .. use contrib/non-free sources with apt .. and install those packages |
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| 12:57.47 | benny99 | abrotman, ok, I hope it'll work, thanks once again :) |
| 12:57.51 | benny99 | bye o/ |
| 12:58.07 | abrotman | if it works .. else you'll be back! |
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| 12:58.21 | themill | corydora: you don't need to recompile your kernel for ipw3945. |
| 12:58.31 | corydora | themill i just think it is strange any tturials works until now ... looks stupid ... i can put this working in 5 minutes in windows and im here for weeks and what makes me stress is have the software to linux and nathing |
| 12:59.04 | random_user | abrotman: ah no ok: it looks like I was using three off-line repositories at once! :( |
| 12:59.09 | corydora | themill so you recomend to me the sid "that dont have security update" to one machinhe that need to be ok is that? |
| 12:59.13 | themill | corydora: the tutorials you were reading were old. Most people who come here asking for help about ipw3945 can do it in 5 minutes too, |
| 12:59.31 | random_user | abrotman: but it's strange, because I have selected them with the new python module in synaptic |
| 12:59.32 | themill | corydora: you don't need to be running sid for ipw3945. etch is fine. |
| 13:00.02 | themill | corydora: I would recommend against you using sid if you are getting this frustrated with ipw3945. |
| 13:00.15 | abrotman | random_user: where's your paste ? |
| 13:00.37 | random_user | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/35878 |
| 13:00.39 | corydora | themill why i use sid in one need stable machinhe? |
| 13:01.00 | themill | corydora: I'm not sure what you mean. Could you please rephrase that? |
| 13:01.24 | corydora | themill you tell to me to i use sid right?! |
| 13:01.41 | corydora | themill sid dont have security updates ... right?! |
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| 13:01.50 | themill | corydora: no, do not use sid. I never suggest that people use sid. |
| 13:02.09 | tdn | Is it possible to make wget hide "Last-modified header missing -- time-stamps turned off." messages? |
| 13:02.15 | abrotman | random_user: your sources are broken |
| 13:02.20 | corydora | themill so do you have solution?! |
| 13:02.20 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:02.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:02.36 | random_user | abrotman: which ones? |
| 13:02.39 | themill | corydora: a solution to getting ipw3945 to work? |
| 13:02.54 | abrotman | random_user: the spain one for sid |
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| 13:03.11 | corydora | themill right ... if not cant do this i need to try another thing or put windows here or just leave the machinhe toped |
| 13:03.17 | corydora | stoped |
| 13:03.19 | abrotman | random_user: try commenting out all the spain sources |
| 13:03.22 | themill | !ipw3945 |
| 13:03.22 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 13:03.26 | themill | corydora: ^^ |
| 13:03.26 | abrotman | corydora: are you reading anything that we write ? |
| 13:03.40 | themill | corydora: read that last blurb from dpkg and follow the instructions. |
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| 13:03.58 | corydora | themill i allready install this and it dont work |
| 13:04.00 | abrotman | you can easily use ipw3945 with etch |
| 13:04.08 | abrotman | corydora: show us "doesn't work" |
| 13:04.10 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:04.10 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:04.12 | themill | corydora: ok. is there an error message? |
| 13:04.17 | abrotman | show us the error .. any error |
| 13:04.23 | corydora | kernel panic |
| 13:04.31 | random_user | abrotman: yes, but I have selected it with python-software-properties |
| 13:04.39 | abrotman | corydora: with your self compiled kernel or a debian one ? |
| 13:05.02 | random_user | abrotman: anyway it works, if I decomment the spanish one |
| 13:05.24 | abrotman | random_user: well .. they were malformed .. |
| 13:05.40 | corydora | abrotman i allready try bouth aways and nathing |
| 13:05.42 | corydora | Driver install process is similar as with most other setups with this card. Be sure to disable ieee80211 support in kernel as you will be using external ones. If you plan on using wpa, be sure to enable aes module from crypto library. |
| 13:06.30 | random_user | abrotman: ohi, that's true :D |
| 13:06.32 | corydora | the 4 official tuturials all say that disable ieee80211 in kernel |
| 13:06.59 | abrotman | corydora: which kernel are you running now ? (show us the output of `cat /proc/version`) |
| 13:07.28 | corydora | Linux version 2.6.22-1-686 (Debian 2.6.22-3) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070718 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-14)) #1 SMP Sun Jul 29 14:37:42 UTC 200 |
| 13:07.41 | random_user | abrotman: what if I send a bug report of this? I'm sure it's a problem of python-software-properties, |
| 13:08.18 | random_user | which is a plugin for synaptic |
| 13:08.18 | abrotman | random_user: i've never used that app .. but you can try |
| 13:08.18 | corydora | i try sid ... to see if something works ... nathing |
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| 13:08.18 | hark | you are running sid ;) |
| 13:08.18 | themill | ffs |
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| 13:08.41 | loopde | hmm, i have a pop and exchange account setup in evolution, is there a way to make all emails comming in via pop store in exchange ? |
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| 13:09.30 | abrotman | loopde: you want exchange to get your email for you ? |
| 13:10.05 | loopde | abrotman: no just to store in there by default instead of having to have ru;es or move everything |
| 13:10.11 | hark | corydora: modprobe ipw3945 and check dmesg |
| 13:10.11 | loopde | rules |
| 13:10.50 | abrotman | loopde: oh .. you want them all to download to the same box |
| 13:10.53 | abrotman | or folder |
| 13:10.56 | loopde | yes |
| 13:11.13 | loopde | we use exchange for mostly just backup purposes |
| 13:11.21 | abrotman | loopde: probably a default box to deliver too .. maybe ask #evolution on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:11.27 | loopde | k |
| 13:11.28 | cast | aren't backup systems suppsoed to be reliable or something :\ |
| 13:11.37 | corydora | hark FATAL: Error inserting ipw3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-686/contrib/ipw3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 13:11.37 | corydora | FATAL: Error running install command for ipw3945 |
| 13:11.39 | abrotman | cast: shush |
| 13:12.15 | corydora | hark i allready try from the sid sources manually to ... nathing |
| 13:13.19 | DawnLight | wols_: thank you also |
| 13:13.19 | corydora | i can install this in 5 minuts in windows ... i kow linux have software ... but im here for weeks LOL unbealiver |
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| 13:13.55 | rahul | corydora: you can do it in 2 minutes in linux |
| 13:13.57 | cast | corydora: second time you've said "i can do something...5 minutes...windows" - go use windows if you like it so much :| |
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| 13:14.07 | rahul | dpkg m-a |
| 13:14.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 13:14.07 | Crypticfortune | question: lets say i want to log everything that comes up on the console from bootup. what are some good ways to do this (aside from a serial console (don't have a spare serial port =( |
| 13:14.14 | abrotman | rahul: he doesn't need m-a |
| 13:14.19 | abrotman | at all |
| 13:14.29 | themill | corydora: it works under linux in <5minutes too, You've just got to spend the right 5 minutes on it. |
| 13:14.37 | rahul | hrm, then why is the module not happy with his kernel? |
| 13:14.49 | abrotman | my guess . it's not installed |
| 13:14.50 | hark | corydora: did you try compiling the drivers yourself? |
| 13:15.03 | abrotman | corydora: dpkg -l | grep 3945 .. anything spit out ? |
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| 13:15.25 | rahul | abrotman: unknown symbol _in module_, tho... |
| 13:15.33 | abrotman | argh ... damn sid |
| 13:15.39 | abrotman | corydora: install etch |
| 13:15.43 | rahul | heh |
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| 13:15.54 | corydora | themill so if it works in 5 minutes in linux why im here for weeks? |
| 13:15.59 | rahul | so another newbie genius, then |
| 13:16.12 | rahul | corydora: because you're using stuff that's not supposed to work, in general |
| 13:16.17 | themill | corydora: you haven't been *here* for weeks. |
| 13:16.33 | rahul | if you want something that works, use something that's actually tested to make sure it works |
| 13:16.33 | abrotman | lalala .. install etch .. lalala |
| 13:16.35 | corydora | ii firmware-ipw3945 0.7 Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945 (old |
| 13:16.35 | corydora | ii ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 2:2.6.22-1 Intel Wireless 3945 modules for Linux 2.6 on |
| 13:17.12 | liable | even still, its should work |
| 13:17.16 | rahul | corydora: has this worked on all beta versions of windows in 5 minutes? |
| 13:17.22 | corydora | themill have this pc allmost for one mouths and i still dont cant work the pc |
| 13:17.34 | rahul | or does even windows have *gasp* bugs |
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| 13:17.55 | corydora | rahul after the router configurated take me less then 5 minutes to run |
| 13:18.03 | corydora | in windows |
| 13:18.18 | rahul | corydora: you tested it with every beta of windows? |
| 13:18.41 | liable | corydora: dude, its not hard |
| 13:18.46 | themill | corydora: do you have valuable data on your linux install (hint: this is a yes/no question and if you answer anything to do with windows we're going to ignore you...) |
| 13:18.59 | liable | corydora: that package is in the stable release now. it *works* |
| 13:19.24 | liable | corydora: no idea what the hell you have done to make it not work |
| 13:19.41 | corydora | themill yes it is to have here my own information |
| 13:20.15 | abrotman | INSTALL ETCH |
| 13:20.19 | liable | corydora: if you have the 22 kernel go to intellinuxwireless and get the new iwlwifi driver |
| 13:20.20 | rahul | liable: he installed unstable. that's how he made it not work. |
| 13:20.26 | themill | corydora: the easiest thing for you to do will be to back up your data, reinstall debian etch and never go near sid again. If you come here after you've got etch installed then we will get your ipw3945 working in under 5 minutes. |
| 13:20.32 | corydora | o0 |
| 13:20.33 | corydora | 0o |
| 13:20.33 | themill | liable: please no |
| 13:20.37 | corydora | @@ |
| 13:20.39 | ravenbird | [@] where it's at |
| 13:20.54 | garryfre | Perhaps the PC is defective. |
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| 13:21.09 | themill | garryfre: no, pebkac |
| 13:21.13 | liable | rahul: i dont care, it still should work. he has module symversion problems, which suggests he's installed a source package as well |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | just have the guy install etch .. |
| 13:21.21 | corydora | themill but this is one santa rose ... and every tuturials say to i compile the kernel to |
| 13:21.31 | mmlj4 | most of my boxen have a sane bind going on (a single instance running as /usr/sbin/named -u bind), but one has 5 instances of just /usr/sbin/named... how to fix? |
| 13:21.33 | abrotman | you're all making this ridiculously hard |
| 13:21.39 | hark | corydora: what does dmesg say? an did you try installing them from source before? |
| 13:21.48 | garryfre | themill I think so too, he can't even say santa rosa back. |
| 13:22.29 | themill | corydora: the santa rosa chipset doesn't come with ipw3945, it comes with ipw4965, iirc |
| 13:22.39 | themill | corydora: what chipset do you *actually* have |
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| 13:23.18 | corydora | themill so why all tuturials about asus g1 it say to i install ipw3945 ?! |
| 13:23.41 | rahul | stop reading tutorials and start looking at reality |
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| 13:23.58 | rahul | blogs are not sources of definitive information |
| 13:23.59 | liable | stop blaming sid and try and debug |
| 13:24.06 | abrotman | stop using sid |
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| 13:24.27 | Klaps | hello how can i play wmv files in kde? |
| 13:24.27 | themill | could you please pastebin the output of lspci | grep Network |
| 13:24.36 | liable | it pisses me that a lot of people here just scream to install stable when its not the problem |
| 13:24.37 | haary | I have a proprietary program which only prints it output to tty1. This means I can't exec this program remote or trough screen, nor can I access it with retty. Does someone know a way to access tty1 remotely? |
| 13:24.41 | rahul | Klaps: I use mplayer. |
| 13:24.54 | abrotman | liable: for you it's not a problem .. for me .. not a problem .. in this case .. it's not helping |
| 13:24.57 | Klaps | me too but didnt work for wmv files |
| 13:24.58 | rahul | liable: the module in sid is broken |
| 13:25.00 | themill | Klaps: you'll need codecs from debian-multimedia |
| 13:25.09 | liable | rahul: its in bts? |
| 13:25.10 | Klaps | how to install? |
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| 13:25.17 | Klaps | apt-get install debian-multimedia |
| 13:25.18 | corydora | ok ok |
| 13:25.19 | Klaps | ? |
| 13:25.23 | rahul | liable: at least it's not compatible with the kernel it's supposedly for |
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| 13:25.30 | themill | !tell Klaps about dmm |
| 13:25.33 | garryfre | Being overly dependent on tutorials can be a trap. When I first started trying to use linux, I read and tried all the docs I could find. Then I noticed most of it was out-of-date. |
| 13:25.34 | rahul | liable: dunno. he's getting unresolved symbols on modprobe |
| 13:25.37 | corydora | themill so i uninstall this and put the etch?! |
| 13:25.54 | themill | corydora: could you please pastebin the output of lspci | grep Network |
| 13:26.00 | liable | rahul: that doesnt mean the package is broken. |
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| 13:26.14 | rahul | liable: it's not compatible with the package it depends on... |
| 13:26.16 | liable | rahul: it means he has probably done something stupid :) |
| 13:26.16 | garryfre | The only way is to just install it, use it, try to limit yourself to the most recent documentation and not to try to fly before ye can walk. |
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| 13:26.24 | corydora | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4229 (rev 61) |
| 13:26.24 | cast | haary: a really shitty braindead way would be to run it in a vm :\ then one could use it remotely - since its proprietary a vm isn't a totally bad idea |
| 13:26.30 | themill | liable: it's not compatible with the user in this case. |
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| 13:26.55 | themill | corydora: ok, could you please run update-usbids and then do that again |
| 13:27.23 | abrotman | does he have network at all to do taht ? |
| 13:27.30 | liable | unresolved symbols can be a simple case of modules still loaded when new ones have been compiled |
| 13:27.39 | liable | its not a reason to reinstall |
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| 13:27.57 | haary | cast: That's not possible. It must run on a physical machine. It is Portlock Storage Manager Live CD, and I use it to image a Netware Server |
| 13:28.37 | corydora | themill done |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | liable: no .. not for someone like you ... |
| 13:29.02 | themill | corydora: so what's the output of this now? lspci | grep Network |
| 13:29.27 | corydora | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Unknown device 4229 (rev 61) |
| 13:29.37 | corydora | themill looks the same :x |
| 13:29.40 | themill | ahh.. I'm an idiot. |
| 13:29.44 | ricardo__ | hi ive been trying to get my ipw3945 card set up. I recived a load of help yesterday trying to get an ethernet connction set up from an internet cafe. we configured namservers an gateways etc. I tried the connection today but it still wont connect to the internt only to the cafe network. can you please help me got on the internet from this cafe |
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| 13:29.55 | themill | corydora: update-pciids |
| 13:30.31 | themill | ricardo__: did you eventually get online yesterday? |
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| 13:30.46 | corydora | themill 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 13:31.44 | themill | corydora: OK. That's an intel 4965 not an ipw3945. As I understand it, the ipw3945 module will not work with that hardware. |
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| 13:31.45 | hark | .. |
| 13:32.16 | corydora | themill wait wait wait .... sometihing in the network setin apears :x |
| 13:32.25 | corydora | and it is wireless :) |
| 13:32.30 | ricardo__ | my problem and error messages are pasted here http://paste.debian.net/35798. we decide it best to try and set up an ethernet connctions then use apt get to install the software for the wireless card |
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| 13:33.10 | ehird` | php5-cgi includes fastcgi right |
| 13:33.33 | themill | ricardo__: did you eventually get online yesterday? |
| 13:33.52 | ricardo__ | no ive just tried but no luck |
| 13:34.18 | ricardo__ | i tried ifup eth0 and ifup eth1 |
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| 13:35.09 | liable | abrotman: seems in this case you were right, and the user is absolutely clueless :) |
| 13:35.17 | themill | ricardo__: you modified /etc/network/interfaces yesterday, and you set up the addresses. What does ifconfig look like now? Does it show an inet addr of 192.168.1.3 for you? |
| 13:36.09 | corydora | themill now the problem is i have one wireless router now lol since i broken my last night lol because it was doing anything here and i piss off lol |
| 13:36.41 | corydora | themill the strange is every tuturials says to i use the ipw3945 http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Asus_G1 |
| 13:36.46 | liable | three lols in one sentence isnt a good omen |
| 13:36.49 | corydora | like the others oficials :x |
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| 13:37.06 | ricardo__ | themill yeah i modified /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:38.00 | ricardo__ | ill do a paste of ifconfig there is quite abit there |
| 13:38.32 | themill | corydora: you'll notice that they have a different lspci on that page. Laptop manufacturers do that a lot. They put slightly different hardware in the same box and call it the same machine. |
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| 13:40.06 | themill | ricardo__: if you can that's great, but I know that you're not online so it's a problem to do it. |
| 13:40.46 | hark | themill: so how did you get his wireless working ? ;) |
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| 13:40.56 | wols_ | ricardo__: what is in your /etc/network/interfaces ? shouldn't be too much |
| 13:41.17 | corydora | themill im sorry the question but what santa rose have to do whith ipw3945 and ipw4865?! |
| 13:41.24 | ricardo__ | the if config command is showing this http://paste.debian.net/35880 |
| 13:41.32 | themill | hark: stuffed if I know. I doubt it actually is. |
| 13:41.53 | Klaps | how can i start mplayer gui? |
| 13:42.12 | Klaps | i can use it only on ssh |
| 13:42.24 | Klaps | i have kde kde |
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| 13:42.52 | corydora | Klaps> >>> gmplayer >>> gui ; mplayer >>> command line |
| 13:42.55 | themill | ricardo__: and can you ping 192.168.1.1 |
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| 13:43.11 | ehird` | can someone please explain the chain of events which leads to mysql-server depending on exim. |
| 13:43.31 | abrotman | liable: damn you! |
| 13:43.36 | ehird` | ah i see. |
| 13:44.03 | ricardo__ | ill have to go off line for a sec to try. I get a message saying im connected to the cafe network |
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| 13:44.15 | liable | abrotman: i hear that a lot. |
| 13:44.23 | abrotman | but i'm not a sheep |
| 13:44.35 | liable | baaah |
| 13:44.45 | themill | what sort of mac addr is in ricardo__'s eth0? |
| 13:44.59 | wols_ | themill: why do you ask us? |
| 13:45.23 | liable | its funny, i work with a kiwi, who we aussies considor the sheep fuckers, and he confirmed that its us aussies that are considered the sheep fuckers of the world :/ |
| 13:45.25 | themill | wols_: because I've never seen a mac addr like that and was looking for enlightenment |
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| 13:45.26 | rahul | abrotman: you are a goat, tho |
| 13:45.36 | abrotman | rahul: i don't need crap from you |
| 13:45.48 | rahul | goats aren't crap |
| 13:45.49 | cast | to answer ehird....despite him not bothering to stay....mysql-server has mailx as a recommends |
| 13:45.59 | themill | liable: over here, it's the welsh ;) |
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| 13:46.24 | liable | themill: its prolly true too :) |
| 13:46.25 | wols_ | themill: Link encap:UNSPEC is probably a hint |
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| 13:46.52 | themill | wols_: it would be if I knew what that meant.... |
| 13:47.54 | ricardo__ | themill what do i try now ? |
| 13:49.23 | oandrew | How to use a keygen.pl ? |
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| 13:49.42 | corydora | thank you very much for you help sorry about something i was close to give up this ... maby the bether is i aopint all this log ocnversation and the commands and install etch :) thank you very muhc one more time stay well :) themill abrotman liable hark raul :) stay well :) |
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| 13:50.14 | themill | wols_: do you interpret that ifconfig output as indicating that eth1 is his wired connection then. |
| 13:51.08 | wols_ | first I'd check drivers and cables |
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| 13:52.19 | liable | gah, etch *wont* work for him! *sigh* |
| 13:52.21 | harpal | I have install debian4.0 and I have kernel installed 2.6.18-4-686 now I want source of that kernel? how to get that from apt? |
| 13:52.34 | ricardo__ | themill I have the network admin setting open . should i check anything there |
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| 13:53.02 | liable | well, at least its going to be much more painfull than the kernel he has |
| 13:53.15 | wols_ | ricardo__: lspci. what ethernet card? |
| 13:53.40 | wols_ | harpal: apt-get source linux-image-2.6 |
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| 13:54.16 | themill | liable: yep... but he has a hosed system anyway and lenny will be better than sid for him |
| 13:54.51 | ricardo__ | wols pro wireless 3945ABG |
| 13:54.52 | liable | themill: he could have just compiled the package with the 22 kernel, now he needs to actually compile the whole kernel |
| 13:55.25 | wols_ | ricardo__: that is not your ethX, is it? |
| 13:55.29 | liable | themill: unless lenny gets 22 in the next day or so |
| 13:55.45 | themill | liable: true... or cherry pick it |
| 13:55.56 | liable | wols_: intel cards are ethx devs |
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| 13:56.19 | ricardo__ | wols it says "network controller " |
| 13:56.36 | liable | ricardo__: does it show in iwconfig? |
| 13:57.06 | CharminTheMoose | is there absoluty no way to to kill a window manager and then start up another one while keeping all the clients alive/without restarting the X server? |
| 13:57.08 | themill | liable, wols_: ricardo__ has a non-working wired connection but ultimately wants to get ipw3945 working |
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| 13:57.26 | liable | themill: no ethernet? |
| 13:57.31 | themill | CharminTheMoose: some window managers have a --replace option |
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| 13:57.38 | wols_ | ricardo__: what is your ethetnet connection? |
| 13:57.42 | themill | liable: not yet. close.... |
| 13:57.45 | liable | ok |
| 13:57.59 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: also `killall <currentwm> && newwm |
| 13:58.06 | ricardo__ | hmm i just typed in iwconfig and it says "no wireless connctions " to lo eth1 eth0 sit0 |
| 13:58.09 | themill | liable: partially configured static network |
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| 13:58.40 | liable | ricardo__: how many ethernet cards in that box? |
| 13:58.48 | liable | themill: partially? |
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| 13:58.55 | rahul | abrotman: that will exit the X session, causing the X server to shut down, in most configurations. |
| 13:58.55 | oandrew | TheMill: how to (by keyboard) change window managers? |
| 13:59.02 | ricardo__ | in my laptop I reckon 1 |
| 13:59.17 | abrotman | rahul: not with gnome! |
| 13:59.31 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: are you using gnome.. or just a WM ? |
| 13:59.33 | liable | ricardo__: that box has no internet access? |
| 13:59.46 | CharminTheMoose | heh abrotman strangely enough, that worked.. |
| 13:59.52 | themill | liable: some work was done yesterday to set up the /etc/network/interfaces but I suspect that it should be eth1 not eth0 in the /e/n/i |
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| 14:00.11 | CharminTheMoose | also rahul that's only if you have your .xsession set up to just load the window manager.. |
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| 14:00.15 | harpal | wols_: I have linux-source-2.6.18 I sit that source for 2.6.18-4-686 which is installed at debian installation |
| 14:00.28 | liable | themill: ok, coulndt he just have brought it up and got a lease manually? |
| 14:00.38 | harpal | I am using repository using dvd |
| 14:00.56 | themill | liable: yeah, that's how I would have done it, but I wasn't doing the helping (I was actually working ;) |
| 14:00.58 | ricardo__ | themill , wols my netwrok setting gui shows eth1 active and the others not configured |
| 14:00.59 | CharminTheMoose | i have my .xsession set up like: 'dwm & xclock' and if i kill xclock then this exits the X session |
| 14:01.27 | harpal | I have tried that apt-get source linux-image-2.6 but its telling me you should add some source to your repository |
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| 14:01.40 | liable | harpal: no |
| 14:02.06 | liable | harpal: apt-get linux-source-2.6.<whatever release> |
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| 14:02.15 | karmatronic | CharminTheMoose: dwm ;xclock |
| 14:02.24 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: silly camel. |
| 14:02.24 | ricardo__ | the mill , wols the ip sub and gateway are have the correct adds |
| 14:02.31 | larsl | If I have a problem with some devices apparently not getting IRQs when I boot the kernel with acpi=off, could it possibly help to add noapic as well? |
| 14:02.33 | rahul | karmatronic: that won't do anything particularly useful. |
| 14:02.38 | CharminTheMoose | karmatronic, well, dwm & is on one line and xclock is on another. |
| 14:03.07 | karmatronic | CharminTheMoose: my mistake |
| 14:03.20 | harpal | liable: I have installed 2.6.18-4-686 and I have linux-source-2.6.18 than Is it ok? |
| 14:03.33 | liable | harpal: yep |
| 14:03.39 | themill | ricardo__: what network settings gui are you using? |
| 14:03.49 | ricardo__ | the mill I think eth1 is my wireless card from when i had it up and runniung before |
| 14:03.54 | liable | harpal: why are you needing source? |
| 14:03.54 | harpal | liable: thanx |
| 14:04.07 | harpal | I would like to recompile kernel again |
| 14:04.19 | harpal | I have to apply patch of openswan |
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| 14:04.30 | liable | harpal: ok |
| 14:04.36 | karmatronic | harpal: cool stuff |
| 14:04.49 | ricardo__ | themill debian menu >system > network admin |
| 14:04.51 | rahul | CharminTheMoose: it would work if both were on the same line, too |
| 14:05.20 | CharminTheMoose | meh |
| 14:05.26 | liable | moo |
| 14:05.26 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 14:05.36 | liable | moo |
| 14:05.36 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 14:05.43 | CharminTheMoose | mooose! |
| 14:05.43 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 14:05.44 | liable | silly bot |
| 14:05.48 | rahul | camel! |
| 14:05.56 | liable | grunt |
| 14:06.04 | liable | spit! |
| 14:06.11 | themill | ricardo__: I'm taking a punt that your wired device is actually eth1 not eth0. |
| 14:06.27 | ricardo__ | yeah I reckon so too |
| 14:06.41 | themill | (there should be a way to verify that.... I can't remember how though.. short of trawling through dmesg) |
| 14:06.56 | liable | iwconfig should do |
| 14:07.14 | themill | iwconfig shows nothing |
| 14:07.14 | liable | but if they both show no extensions, then its a bit unusual |
| 14:07.27 | themill | there are no drivers loaded at all for the wireless yet |
| 14:07.32 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:07.33 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:07.33 | RA3OR | m0o |
| 14:07.37 | liable | and without actually seeing te output it makes it hard to tell |
| 14:07.41 | abrotman | RA3OR: please turn that off |
| 14:07.47 | themill | liable: http://paste.debian.net/35880 |
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| 14:07.57 | abrotman | i spy a moo |
| 14:08.00 | abrotman | just checking |
| 14:08.15 | azeem | moo |
| 14:08.15 | RA3OR | m0o |
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| 14:08.33 | azeem | RA3OR: please turn of that script, let me know when you've complied, thanks |
| 14:08.44 | themill | ahh.. the hello world of irc |
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| 14:09.01 | abrotman | themill: i thought that was the stupid script that shows system stats |
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| 14:09.16 | liable | themill: eth0 looks like a udev borkage, notice the load of 0's after the mac |
| 14:09.48 | themill | liable: yeah -- I couldn't work that out either... I asked and didn't get much of a reply... |
| 14:10.08 | liable | ricardo__: can you paste from that box? |
| 14:10.11 | themill | the format of the mac is funny too --- not ::: |
| 14:10.43 | ricardo__ | liable yeah i have to use a memory stick tho |
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| 14:10.54 | liable | themill: you do get that from wireless drivers that do virtual interfaces though as well |
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| 14:11.19 | themill | liable: ahh... but from ipw3945? if there's a sit0 around, then there are other things to not trip over too |
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| 14:11.47 | liable | ricardo__: ok, paste your ifconfig -a output, lspci, /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, and might as well add dmesg |
| 14:12.01 | liable | themill: sit0 is ipv6 shits |
| 14:12.21 | ricardo__ | liable ok two sec |
| 14:12.28 | liable | themill: ipw shouldnt do the mac borkage, i blame udev for that :) |
| 14:12.41 | themill | (scapegoat ;) |
| 14:12.46 | wols_ | !blame udev |
| 14:13.07 | liable | themill: iwl3945 and new drivers using mac80211 can all mostly do vitual devices though |
| 14:14.06 | oandrew | How to use a keygen.pl ? (conexant winmodem) |
| 14:14.13 | SlimG | Why does DHCP Servers (ISC atleast) deliver IP's in a range descending (ex.: 254 -> 1) instead of ascending (ex.: 1 -> 254) ? |
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| 14:14.58 | liable | themill: well, iwl395 cant do it yet, but its in the pipeline |
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| 14:15.06 | liable | themill: madwifi has been doing it for ages |
| 14:16.02 | fireba11 | SlimG: does it matter ? |
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| 14:16.38 | liable | i believe its adjustable by the damon anyway innit? |
| 14:16.43 | liable | daemon* |
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| 14:17.49 | tola | If anyone uses the Debian Etch MediaWiki package, how does /etc/mediawiki1.7/apache.conf get included into apache2.conf? I want to be included inside a Virtual Host in sites-available, but I can't figure out how it currently gets loaded. |
| 14:17.50 | SlimG | fireba11: Nope, I'm just curious, but I think I found my explaination here: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.mandrake/browse_thread/thread/4dc3a526f9ace302/4f5d997fe0c9f867?lnk=st&q=isc+dhcp+backwards+order+ip+addresses&rnum=1&hl=en#4f5d997fe0c9f867 |
| 14:18.26 | liable | tola: just copy that stuff into your virtual host file |
| 14:18.55 | liable | tola: the debian version is very confusing to work out how it works, and the docs are vague |
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| 14:19.03 | ghatak | Hi, when i ever i try to add device back to my md, i get error, i am tryin this mdadm -a /dev/md2 /dev/sdc5 and i get this >> mdadm: hot add failed for /dev/sdc5: Invalid argument |
| 14:19.16 | ghatak | I can not figure out what is wrong |
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| 14:20.09 | Thunderman | Hi, how can I install Enemy Territory? |
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| 14:20.55 | tola | liable: I agree it is ambiguous, what's confusing me is that mediawiki is working without me copying the config anywhere (albeit at the wrong URI). I can't figure out how it's currently working so I can turn it off! |
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| 14:21.48 | abrotman | a2dissite maybe |
| 14:21.51 | liable | tola: hrm, check your includes in apaches conf, i didnt think it added anything in there though |
| 14:21.59 | rahul | Thunderman: is it a debian package? |
| 14:22.04 | Raging_Hog | is there a tool that zips files and unzips them with a different name? |
| 14:22.14 | tola | liable: I can't find it included anywhere, it's very strange |
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| 14:22.41 | liable | tola: yup, it didnt do that for me. have you used it before? |
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| 14:23.22 | tola | liable: not the debian package. Also, do you know what cherokee.conf is for? presumably I need to copy that bit too? |
| 14:23.26 | Thunderman | rahul: I don't know is it or not |
| 14:23.40 | cast | Raging_Hog: why not unzip them then change name? |
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| 14:23.47 | rahul | Thunderman: have you read the debian user's guide? |
| 14:23.48 | liable | tola: but have you installed it from source before? and no i dont |
| 14:23.55 | tola | liable: yes I have |
| 14:24.00 | Thunderman | I have "et-linux-2.55.x86.run" |
| 14:24.20 | liable | tola: that would be why i would think. |
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| 14:24.52 | rahul | Thunderman: how would we know what to do with some random file...? |
| 14:24.55 | liable | tola: now you have the fun job of working out what the mediawiki source did :) |
| 14:24.57 | Raging_Hog | cast, the zip is made dynamically and should be sent away immediately |
| 14:25.07 | tristian | Hi all - possibly a daft question - I want to compile my linux-source-2.6.22 to take advantage of my 64 bit processor... anything I need to bear in mind? (I cant use the image as I need paravirtualisation turned off). |
| 14:25.16 | ricardo__ | laible here is the output from the commands and file http://paste.debian.net/35885 |
| 14:25.16 | cast | Raging_Hog: so what is the problem |
| 14:25.47 | abrotman | Thunderman: one would guess "chmod +x et-linux-2.55.x86.run && ./et-linux-2.55.x86.run" |
| 14:25.49 | wols_ | tristian: use a 64bit compitler |
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| 14:25.52 | wols_ | *compiler |
| 14:25.53 | abrotman | Thunderman: of course .. it's at your own risk |
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| 14:26.18 | Raging_Hog | cast, I want to 'zip - xfile --with_new_name=4530_xfile' |
| 14:26.21 | wols_ | Thunderman: sh et-linux-2.55.x86.run |
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| 14:26.49 | liable | ricardo__: ok, for a start, do modprobe -r e1000 |
| 14:27.03 | liable | ricardo__: whats left in ifconfig -a ? |
| 14:27.09 | cast | Raging_Hog: mv xfile 4530_xfile && zip archive.zip 4530_xfile? [obviously use variables instead of hard coded names..] |
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| 14:27.14 | Thunderman | wols, it didn't work |
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| 14:28.25 | liable | ricardo__: ah, your eth0 is your firewire device |
| 14:28.25 | tola | liable: Oh sorry, I haven't installed it from source on this machine |
| 14:28.34 | sooty23 | hi people |
| 14:28.35 | liable | tola: oh, ok |
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| 14:29.02 | ricardo__ | liable modprobe returns nothing |
| 14:29.08 | liable | tola: i dunno why that has done that for you, i had to explicetly go through hoops to get it running |
| 14:29.12 | sooty23 | is it possible to have php5 in sarge? |
| 14:29.16 | LLcoolM | hi, did anyone notice as well that during the last 2-3 weeks the amount of spam decreased dramatically? |
| 14:29.29 | wols_ | sooty23: yes. backports. |
| 14:29.30 | liable | ricardo__: modprobe -r e1000 |
| 14:29.33 | wols_ | !tell sooty23 about bpo |
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| 14:29.39 | wols_ | you should upgrade to etch tho |
| 14:29.44 | en1gma | sup all |
| 14:29.48 | LLcoolM | i am asking because i suspect a misconfiguration of my mailserver |
| 14:30.02 | liable | ricardo__: and modprobe -r e100 |
| 14:30.13 | ricardo__ | liable it returns nothing |
| 14:30.20 | ricardo__ | oh 100 |
| 14:30.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I've got two computer with gigabit NICs in their motherboards. I tested the speed iperf, and I can't seem to get faster than 100mbit. The switch also shows orange rather than green, which means 100mbit, not 1gbit. |
| 14:30.28 | liable | ricardo__: thats good, what does ifconfig -a say? |
| 14:30.37 | ricardo__ | liable same thing |
| 14:30.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried replacing the CAT-6 cable, but that didn't help either |
| 14:30.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me what else could be wrong? |
| 14:30.48 | liable | ricardo__: still show eth1 ? |
| 14:30.55 | Raging_Hog | cast, we are talking about files of several dozens of megabytes which don't need to be in the hard disk at any phase. Doing unnecessary I/O is kind of a drag |
| 14:31.02 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: 100MB or 100Mb ? |
| 14:31.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Megabit |
| 14:31.14 | liable | themill: his eth0 is firewire |
| 14:31.25 | ricardo__ | liable no |
| 14:31.40 | liable | ricardo__: good. modprobe e100 |
| 14:31.45 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: use ethtool to force 1Gbps |
| 14:31.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I have a GigE dumb switch, two GigE NICs and two CAT-6 cables (that I tried replacing) |
| 14:31.52 | liable | ricardo__: ifconfig -a |
| 14:31.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: Ooh, ethtool, that sounds fun :) |
| 14:31.56 | en1gma | i have a nic that has a "digital 21041-pb" chip on it...when i add it to my linux box i get a message that keeps popping up about ever 2secs...telling me something about it being 10mbit or something...anyhow someone told me to turn off "auto" for that nic in the /etc/network/interfaces file...what i was wondering is why cant auto bring up that nic |
| 14:31.59 | ricardo__ | liable eth0 , -00 , lo, sit0 |
| 14:32.02 | sooty23 | what version of mysql is in Sarge? |
| 14:32.03 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: tried mii-tool or ethtool ? |
| 14:32.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, I didn't |
| 14:32.09 | abrotman | sooty23: 3 and 4 |
| 14:32.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I force the speed? |
| 14:32.15 | abrotman | sooty23: you can get 5 from backports IIRC |
| 14:32.20 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: you read the man pages |
| 14:32.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | I hope they're not big, like many man pages are :/ |
| 14:32.34 | alexalex | is there a command in etch to get debian to probe for my network card and reinstall it ? |
| 14:32.44 | sooty23 | abrotman: i want to run mediawiki (wikipedia php source) but im on sarge. is there a .deb for mediawiki ? |
| 14:32.46 | liable | ricardo__: thats after modprobe e100? |
| 14:32.52 | wols_ | alexalex: no |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | sooty23: that i don't konw |
| 14:32.57 | en1gma | anyone here me? |
| 14:33.02 | liable | en1gma: no |
| 14:33.08 | sooty23 | abrotman: dependencies are php5 and mysql 4 or later |
| 14:33.09 | abrotman | 'hear' |
| 14:33.20 | en1gma | omg i stand corrected "hear"* |
| 14:33.20 | liable | grammar nazi |
| 14:33.25 | abrotman | sooty23: well .. you can get php5 from backports.org .. and mysql4 is in sarge |
| 14:33.29 | abrotman | sooty23: why can't you use etch ? |
| 14:33.38 | cast | Raging_Hog: ahh. i see. tar has options to transform filenames [http://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/tar.html#transform] - am not familar enough with using zip to know much about doing the same in zip |
| 14:33.44 | liable | php5 is in etch |
| 14:33.53 | abrotman | liable: he's on sarge |
| 14:34.09 | sooty23 | abrotman: well.. other people use the box. not sure if there are any problems upgarding from sarge to etch |
| 14:34.09 | liable | sucker |
| 14:34.21 | liable | upgrade that fucking box! |
| 14:34.21 | sooty23 | is it just a case of doing apt-get dist-upgrade and pray and hope? |
| 14:34.33 | abrotman | sooty23: ask them .. you'll want to do it sooner or later .. and it's better to do it before you add all kinds of backports |
| 14:34.35 | liable | no |
| 14:34.36 | Raging_Hog | cast, zip seems to be the curse of the MS world inflicted upon us |
| 14:34.42 | sooty23 | abrotman: yeah, i guess |
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| 14:34.54 | liable | sooty23: /msg dpkg release notes |
| 14:35.12 | abrotman | sooty23: and /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 14:35.14 | liable | sooty23: upgrade it now before you get even more behind than you are |
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| 14:35.55 | ricardo__ | liable ill do a paste of ifconfig -a |
| 14:36.15 | wintix | !tell ricardo__ about pastebin |
| 14:36.18 | liable | its hilarious that debian is labeled as a behing the times distro, yet we seem to get a fair number here that refuse to upgrade |
| 14:36.23 | liable | ricardo__: no need |
| 14:36.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand, abrotman: I found the option I need (speed 1000) but I can't get the syntax right :/ |
| 14:36.40 | liable | wintix: that wasnt really neccessary |
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| 14:37.04 | wintix | liable: it seemed like he was going to paste in the channel |
| 14:37.06 | ricardo__ | liable ok what do you need me to do |
| 14:37.09 | en1gma | that digital nic i sure would like to have it working correctly |
| 14:37.14 | en1gma | auto up |
| 14:37.16 | wintix | liable: but ok, might have gotten the wrong impression |
| 14:37.28 | liable | wintix: your spidey sense was tingling at the wrong time :P |
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| 14:37.45 | liable | ricardo__: do you have eth1 in ifconfig -a? |
| 14:38.03 | en1gma | ifconfig eth1 up && dhclient eth1 |
| 14:38.05 | en1gma | try that |
| 14:38.05 | ricardo__ | no |
| 14:38.17 | liable | ricardo__: modprobe e1000 |
| 14:38.22 | liable | then see |
| 14:38.24 | en1gma | lsmod e1000 |
| 14:38.39 | en1gma | ricardo__ what is your nic |
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| 14:39.03 | ricardo__ | ricard nothing returns on modprobe e1000 |
| 14:39.14 | liable | en1gma: do you mind butting out for a sec? |
| 14:39.14 | ricardo__ | i mean liable |
| 14:39.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me with the syntax for passing options to ethtool? |
| 14:39.24 | en1gma | yes i mind |
| 14:39.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | I want to force eth0 to 1Gbps |
| 14:39.32 | heh_v_water | new installation of etch, "mail" command is not present.. what package has this by chance? thanks |
| 14:39.33 | en1gma | what is your nic |
| 14:39.33 | liable | ricardo__: modprobe never returns unless theres an error |
| 14:39.42 | liable | *sigh* |
| 14:39.44 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: ethtool -s speed 1000 ethX? |
| 14:39.46 | ricardo__ | liable ok |
| 14:39.53 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: or similar |
| 14:40.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Didn't work |
| 14:40.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | nothing I tried worked |
| 14:40.09 | wols_ | liable: that guy's been here before and his brains didn't improve since then |
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| 14:40.23 | yosef | Hi |
| 14:40.42 | themill | liable: a-hah...firewire... that was what I was starting to think... |
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| 14:40.55 | yosef | I have question, how can I write metadata for the mpg files? |
| 14:40.57 | mmlj4 | how can I get a list of all the packages that I have installed? |
| 14:41.01 | themill | ricardo__: ok... wo what have you got up to? |
| 14:41.08 | themill | *so |
| 14:41.10 | liable | wols_: yeah, i am always impressed by someone that interupts a debug with useless questions :) |
| 14:41.11 | wols_ | mmlj4: dpkg -l |grep ii |
| 14:41.20 | yosef | liable: how are you today? |
| 14:41.33 | hark | heh_v_water: mailx, /msg dpkg search |
| 14:41.34 | en1gma | its always good to know the piece of hardware to help him out with |
| 14:41.34 | liable | yosef: you know how it goes :) |
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| 14:41.45 | hark | mmlj4: /msg dpkg installed |
| 14:41.50 | en1gma | its amazing when someone does try and "pitch-in" to help he gets nagged at |
| 14:41.50 | yosef | liable: beer on hand? |
| 14:41.51 | en1gma | lol |
| 14:41.57 | ricardo__ | themill Ive done the modprobe as liable asked |
| 14:42.01 | liable | yosef: of course :) |
| 14:42.06 | xand | Dark_Apostrophe: oh... ethtool -s eth0 speed 1000 |
| 14:42.09 | babilen | ricardo__: welcome back... ;-) |
| 14:42.14 | yosef | liable: heineken? |
| 14:42.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: Aha |
| 14:42.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand: Thanks, that worked :D |
| 14:42.22 | babilen | ricardo__: made any progress in the meantime? |
| 14:42.25 | ricardo__ | thx :) |
| 14:42.39 | en1gma | babilen better watch it they will tell you to "butt out" |
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| 14:42.58 | liable | en1gma: the problem is, that you couls have scrolled and found this info out before you butted in. I am always greatfull for someone with help, but you dont seem to have any at the maoment |
| 14:43.03 | ricardo__ | babilen i can connect to the cafes network but not the internet |
| 14:43.04 | mmlj4 | thanks |
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| 14:43.15 | abrotman | bad route ? |
| 14:43.20 | themill | en1gma: you're jumping in at the middle of a long and difficult effort with ricardo__... but progress is being made. |
| 14:43.21 | abrotman | ping the router? |
| 14:43.34 | babilen | en1gma: i have been working with ricardo__ last night for some hours. but i will "butt out" anyway, as i have some programming to do now.. |
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| 14:43.40 | ricardo__ | babilen we are just going over the settings |
| 14:43.41 | abrotman | en1gma: stop being an ass |
| 14:43.46 | en1gma | i did scroll....look and see if it is mentioned before i entered channel or after....looks like you didnt do your homework |
| 14:43.51 | babilen | good luck to you guys! |
| 14:43.59 | sooty23 | can i have an AMD64 arch even if i have a p4 ? |
| 14:44.04 | sooty23 | just working out what release notes to read |
| 14:44.09 | wols_ | abrotman: he can't help it |
| 14:44.13 | liable | en1gma: fine, its all yours |
| 14:44.15 | abrotman | sooty23: depends which P4 |
| 14:44.20 | cast | sooty23: if you have the 64bit extensions...i believe so |
| 14:44.21 | wols_ | sooty23: yes you can. if your P4 can do EMT64 |
| 14:44.25 | en1gma | oh go ahead and gang up on someone that is actually trying to help out |
| 14:44.28 | en1gma | that is too funny |
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| 14:44.36 | abrotman | en1gma: just stop |
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| 14:44.40 | sooty23 | how do i find out what my arch is? i did cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:44.43 | en1gma | than stop bitching about me and i will |
| 14:44.45 | themill | liable: I wasn't following what you were doing with ricardo__ -- is his wired interface still eth1? |
| 14:45.10 | yos87 | liable: why you don't answer me :D |
| 14:45.11 | wols_ | sooty23: depends what you installed. try uname -a |
| 14:45.18 | en1gma | can someone help me with my nic problem? |
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| 14:45.26 | sooty23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:45.27 | abrotman | right .. piss everyone off and then ask for help |
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| 14:45.38 | en1gma | i piss everyone off by trying to help the guy? |
| 14:45.38 | en1gma | omg |
| 14:45.48 | en1gma | i wont help...can someone help me |
| 14:45.49 | wols_ | sooty23: then you already run on the amd64 platform |
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| 14:45.58 | Ronin | play nice children |
| 14:46.04 | sooty23 | wols_: yeah but my CPU is an Intel. confusing the hell out of me |
| 14:46.07 | wols_ | yes daddy |
| 14:46.14 | abrotman | wols_: pure64 or 32bit with 64bit kernel ? |
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| 14:46.22 | abrotman | !em64t |
| 14:46.22 | dpkg | em64t is probably Intel's clone of AMD Athlon64/Opteron architecture - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Use AMD64 Debian (/msg dpkg amd64), or Sarge with a -em64t-p4 kernel. Found only on Nocona and Irwindale Xeons, or the latest Extreme Edition Pentiums |
| 14:46.28 | liable | themill: yes, it should be |
| 14:46.36 | themill | ok, thanks |
| 14:46.38 | wols_ | ...why is daddy a homeless killer without a master? and he tells US to respect authority and play nice? |
| 14:46.42 | liable | yos87: i didnt see your question |
| 14:46.43 | abrotman | sooty23: dpkg-architecture .. should tell you if you're running i386 or amd64 |
| 14:46.43 | en1gma | btw that movie kicked a22 (Ronin) was great |
| 14:46.51 | sooty23 | abrotman: ok thansk |
| 14:47.04 | themill | ricardo__: so the easiest step for you now should be to edit your /etc/network/interfaces and change that eth0 to eth1 |
| 14:47.16 | themill | ricardo__: then ifdown eth0; ifup eth1 |
| 14:47.21 | ricardo__ | themill i did that |
| 14:47.22 | sooty23 | abrotman: says im running DEB_BUILD_ARCH=amd64 |
| 14:47.36 | themill | ricardo__: ok, and it all works now ;) |
| 14:47.41 | liable | themill: eek, lets not even get to interfaces yet |
| 14:47.48 | ricardo__ | themill iface eth1 int static |
| 14:47.50 | sooty23 | guess i better go read the am64 upgrade iinstructions. i was about to read the IA64 ones instead! |
| 14:48.00 | abrotman | sooty23: so you're already on amd64 |
| 14:48.05 | themill | liable: yeah, well... I was just looking for the easy way that was already half-configured from yesterday ;) |
| 14:48.14 | en1gma | ty this 'ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0' |
| 14:48.19 | Crypticfortune_ | why might it be that i have an entry in /etc/fstab that comes up when i do "mount -a" but not at boot time? this is my fstab http://rafb.net/p/oEcVIi66.html |
| 14:48.33 | themill | en1gma: he has an ip addr that he has to use... careful |
| 14:48.34 | en1gma | then ping it with another comp |
| 14:48.36 | liable | ricardo__: do you have eth1 back yet? |
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| 14:48.44 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: which one ? |
| 14:48.50 | en1gma | for the ip enter address you need |
| 14:48.55 | liable | en1gma: and who sets the route? |
| 14:49.09 | en1gma | dhcp |
| 14:49.12 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: the /usr/local one |
| 14:49.19 | en1gma | or add route |
| 14:49.26 | themill | en1gma: please stop helping. you're not. you're a long way off the mark here |
| 14:49.27 | abrotman | not set to auto |
| 14:49.33 | ricardo__ | liable no |
| 14:49.41 | en1gma | ok...will stop |
| 14:49.46 | en1gma | sorry |
| 14:50.06 | liable | ricardo__: did you 'modprobe e100' ? |
| 14:50.13 | themill | ricardo__: ahh... sorry, I thought we were past that bit. |
| 14:50.19 | Guilt | hi. |
| 14:50.23 | liable | ricardo__: and if you did, does that module show in lsmod output? |
| 14:50.26 | Guilt | anybody running tomcat5.5 on etch? |
| 14:50.28 | en1gma | can someone help me with my nic problem |
| 14:50.33 | Guilt | i installed the required packages and all |
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| 14:50.38 | en1gma | i will pastebin all info |
| 14:50.40 | Guilt | it's unable to bind on port 80 |
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| 14:50.42 | Guilt | :( |
| 14:50.52 | Guilt | and i checked, no other server is running |
| 14:51.00 | wols_ | Guilt: something is already running there then. how did you check? |
| 14:51.10 | wols_ | and were you root while checking? |
| 14:51.16 | ricardo__ | ok modprobe e100 returns nothing ifconfig -a does not list eth1 |
| 14:51.37 | Guilt | wget localhost |
| 14:51.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand, abrotman: a 330MB file was transferred in less than 15 seconds - I love GigE :D |
| 14:51.41 | liable | ricardo__: before you paste stuff, what does dmesg say right at the end? |
| 14:51.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | xand, abrotman: Thanks for your help |
| 14:51.46 | nvz | is SQL, SQL reguardless of which server you run.. i.e. if I got something using Miccrosoft SQL server is it likely I can run MySQL or PostgreSQL and it would work just the same? |
| 14:51.55 | Guilt | wols_: ja |
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| 14:52.17 | wols_ | Guilt: netstat -anp |grep 80 |
| 14:52.17 | liable | nvz: thats a nice dreamworld you live in :) |
| 14:52.21 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:52.36 | en1gma | brb |
| 14:52.42 | ricardo__ | liable i try to paste in debian |
| 14:52.46 | nvz | I want to use laserfiche with linux SQL |
| 14:52.46 | Guilt | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8005 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2353/java |
| 14:52.51 | Guilt | ^ that be the shutdown port |
| 14:52.52 | en1gma | it would be cool to have a ticket number so we could stand in line for help |
| 14:52.53 | en1gma | :) |
| 14:52.59 | Guilt | it's unable to listen on port 80 tho :( |
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| 14:53.10 | nvz | seems like backing up to a linux server from a windows box running MS SQL is a pima |
| 14:53.11 | wols_ | Guilt: what error message exactly? |
| 14:53.26 | themill | nvz: unlikely...there are too many little quirks in sql like auto-increment columns etc that aren't supported across dbs |
| 14:53.26 | liable | en1gma: it would be good if you made an effort to explain your problem with some clarity |
| 14:53.28 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: did you get it ? |
| 14:53.43 | benjamindees | perhaps there is something obvious I'm missing here; I've built a stock kernel 2.4.34 for Sarge using the make-kpkg command; I added an initrd using mkinitrd; The kernel boots and finds the initrd but gives errors mounting the root partition; I haven't looked into it further but I wonder if someone could point me in the right direction. Thanks. |
| 14:53.47 | Guilt | from catalina_date.log |
| 14:53.54 | nvz | themill: ah. |
| 14:54.08 | azeem | benjamindees: why don't you look into it further, first? |
| 14:54.09 | hark | themill: a whole lot more isn't ;) |
| 14:54.11 | Guilt | java.net.BindException: Permission denied:80 at org.apache.tomcat.util.net.PoolTcpEndpoint.initEndpoint(PoolTcpEndpoint.java:297) |
| 14:54.20 | azeem | benjamindees: if you build your own kernel, you should make sure you do it correctly |
| 14:54.26 | Guilt | i'm not using securitymanager |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | Guilt: looks like tomcat is trying to bind to 80 .. i guess apache is already there |
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| 14:54.50 | benjamindees | azeem, okay well that was a lie; I have looked into it somewhat and suspect there is some Debian-specific thing I'm missing. |
| 14:54.51 | themill | hark: yep.... that's just a common one that catches people even if the rest of their sql is reasonably vanilla. But it's tip of the iceberg |
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| 14:55.05 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: i think so. i just noticed foo:/usr/local is actually mounted as a bind from /exports/local on foo, so mounting foo:/usr/local might act strangely. (as far as im concerned that sounds fair, but i've had problems with bind mounts + nfs before) |
| 14:55.12 | Guilt | abrotman: but there are no processes on port 80 |
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| 14:55.23 | Guilt | if there was any, wget localhost wouldn't say connection refused |
| 14:55.38 | Guilt | i want tomcat to run on port 80 |
| 14:55.43 | Guilt | and i have not installed httpd. |
| 14:55.49 | Guilt | i have only installed tomcat |
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| 14:55.52 | ricardo__ | liable you want me to dmesg in the terminal ? |
| 14:55.53 | Guilt | tc-5.5 |
| 14:56.11 | liable | ricardo__: yep |
| 14:56.16 | abrotman | Guilt: what user is running it ? |
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| 14:56.21 | Guilt | tomcat? |
| 14:56.26 | Guilt | erm no |
| 14:56.30 | Guilt | it was invoked in init.d |
| 14:56.39 | Guilt | so i'm assuming whatever runs init |
| 14:56.42 | ricardo__ | liable nothing happens |
| 14:57.14 | Guilt | oh wait |
| 14:57.15 | Guilt | :) |
| 14:57.25 | Guilt | the /etc/tomcat55 runs as user tomcat55 |
| 14:57.29 | Guilt | i'll change tomcat55 to uid0 |
| 14:57.50 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: nope, i take it back. that wasn't the problem. |
| 14:58.36 | Guilt | stupid script :P |
| 14:58.36 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: did you try adding the auto option ? |
| 14:58.53 | liable | ricardo__: paste your dmesg again, the whole lot, the last one was incomplete |
| 14:59.01 | Guilt | thank u dude |
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| 14:59.29 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: auto has to be added as an option? ie: rw,auto? |
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| 14:59.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:00.03 | abrotman | or look at the "defaults" potoin |
| 15:00.08 | abrotman | !tell UdoG[Away] about away |
| 15:00.46 | abrotman | defaults option |
| 15:00.56 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.56 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.59 | liable | 6of course! |
| 15:01.09 | liable | doh |
| 15:01.15 | liable | wrong channel |
| 15:01.30 | ricardo__ | liable the dmesg shows at the very end "eth1: link is not ready" |
| 15:01.55 | fastputty | ricardo: tat probabkly because your link i not connetted |
| 15:01.59 | liable | ricardo__: in that case, ifconfig -a shows eth1 ? |
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| 15:02.27 | ricardo__ | yes its does |
| 15:02.33 | liable | \0/ |
| 15:02.42 | liable | thank the $deity |
| 15:02.51 | ricardo__ | this sounds good :) |
| 15:02.57 | liable | ricardo__: ifconfig eth1 up |
| 15:03.14 | liable | ricardo__: you have a cable plugged in i take it? |
| 15:03.21 | ricardo__ | liable returns nothing |
| 15:03.24 | liable | hah |
| 15:03.31 | ricardo__ | liable no |
| 15:03.42 | liable | ricardo__: well, plug one in! |
| 15:04.16 | Guilt | btw |
| 15:04.20 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: auto didn't help |
| 15:04.20 | liable | funny how ethernet doesnt work when its not plugged in |
| 15:04.21 | Guilt | i installed jsvc |
| 15:04.36 | ricardo__ | ill have to offline . when i do i type ifconfig eth1 up and their should be a connection |
| 15:04.40 | Guilt | is the tomcat-native option available? |
| 15:04.50 | liable | ricardo__: no. not quite |
| 15:05.18 | liable | ricardo__: plug it in, type ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient eth1 |
| 15:05.27 | babilen | ricardo__: do "ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1" |
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| 15:05.33 | liable | ricardo__: then come back on that box |
| 15:05.46 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: oh crap .. that's right .. mounts the drives before the network is up i think |
| 15:05.48 | liable | babilen: lets not use interfaces yet |
| 15:05.48 | babilen | liable: as i understood it yesterday he *has* to use a static IP. |
| 15:05.54 | ricardo__ | i do both plug it in, type ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient eth1 |
| 15:05.55 | ricardo__ | <babilen> ricardo__: do "ifdown eth1 && ifup eth1" |
| 15:05.55 | liable | babilen: really? |
| 15:05.59 | benjamindees | CONFIG_EXT3_FS_POSIX_ACL <-- is this kernel option important? it seems not to exist in stock kernels. |
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| 15:06.22 | babilen | ricardo__: i assume you are in the same internet cafe as yesterday? |
| 15:06.26 | liable | ricardo__: your router doesnt give out dhcp leases? |
| 15:06.27 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: you're going to have to double check this ... i could be misremembery |
| 15:06.30 | abrotman | bering |
| 15:06.47 | ricardo__ | babilen yes at the same comp |
| 15:06.50 | streuner | dpkg, say hi abrotman |
| 15:06.50 | dpkg | hi abrotman |
| 15:07.00 | liable | babilen: what kind of internet cafe makes you set a static ip? |
| 15:07.05 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:07.08 | babilen | ricardo__: ok, that is great. did the guy gave you new addresses? |
| 15:07.11 | ricardo__ | liavle sorry i couldnt tell |
| 15:07.12 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: if that's the case, that'd be unfortunate. one of my init scripts requires some libraries out of /usr/local/lib >_>;; |
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| 15:07.26 | ricardo__ | babilen no |
| 15:07.43 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: you could put the mount command in your /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh i suppose |
| 15:07.45 | babilen | babilen: ok, did you change the files we edited yesterday? |
| 15:07.59 | ricardo__ | yeah to eth1 |
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| 15:08.19 | babilen | ricardo__: because it was not working with eth0? |
| 15:08.25 | streuner | liable: good work yesterday, i had almost headaches why his kernel didnt see the DVD-Writer... |
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| 15:08.31 | ricardo__ | bablien right |
| 15:08.39 | liable | ricardo__: ok, try the ifup eth1, if it fails, fo ifdown eth1; ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient eth1 |
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| 15:08.50 | babilen | ricardo__: ok, and you already tried "ifup eth1"? |
| 15:09.01 | ricardo__ | yes |
| 15:09.07 | ricardo__ | liable ok |
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| 15:09.13 | babilen | ricardo__: with a cable plugged in? |
| 15:09.19 | ricardo__ | is that fo if down |
| 15:09.29 | liable | streuner: that is the first time myself actually managed to fix that kind of error, i am hoping that similar ones i see in the future work that way as well :) |
| 15:09.34 | Guilt | hmm. guys? |
| 15:09.37 | Guilt | is the tomcat-native option available? |
| 15:09.41 | ricardo__ | yeah with thte cable plugged |
| 15:09.52 | Guilt | and where be the tomcat5.5-webapps installed? |
| 15:10.01 | Guilt | i couldn't find them in /var/lib/tomcat5.5/webapps |
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| 15:10.22 | Guilt | and host-manager/manager weren't there too. |
| 15:10.29 | liable | ricardo__: i dont quite understand, you have two boxes in an internet cafe? |
| 15:10.43 | ricardo__ | no i have a laptop only |
| 15:10.48 | babilen | ricardo__: still not working? can you try "ping 192.168.1.1" and "ping google.com" ? with the cable plugged in _and_ after doing what liable just suggested? |
| 15:11.00 | streuner | liable: if d-i doesnt use apic you have the reason why it only works with it... |
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| 15:11.12 | ricardo__ | ok give me two sec ill have to go offline |
| 15:11.19 | liable | streuner: i am confident d-i doesnt use acpi |
| 15:11.19 | babilen | ok.. |
| 15:11.21 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: hmm, if i (re)called the myrinet init script from there too that might work... (myrinet is the script that's currently failing because /usr/local doesn't exist when it's running |
| 15:11.29 | streuner | liable: yeah |
| 15:11.37 | Guilt | okie. i saw in Catalina/ |
| 15:11.39 | liable | streuner: so am hopefull that it is actually the cause of a lot of those errors |
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| 15:11.46 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: eww ... myrinet |
| 15:11.57 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: you kids and your HPC toys |
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| 15:12.07 | ricardo__ | babilen "ifup eth1" else "fo ifdown eth1; ifconfig eth1 up; dhclient eth1" |
| 15:12.17 | streuner | liable: hm, why should d-i use acpi at all... |
| 15:12.32 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: heheh nothing like .02 microsecond pings ^^ |
| 15:12.40 | abrotman | kids i tell you! |
| 15:12.52 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: is this for MPI stuff? |
| 15:12.52 | babilen | no "ifup eth1" "ping google.com" else: "ifdown eth1" "ifconfig eth1 up" "dhclient eth1" |
| 15:13.03 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: yes |
| 15:13.09 | liable | streuner: thats the thing, it shouldn't, and i bet the d-i kernel doesnt have it, thus when a real debian kernel boots, the problems start |
| 15:13.12 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: which implementation did you use ? |
| 15:13.18 | Guilt | i wonder why the server directory in /usr/share/tomcat5.5 isn't symlinked |
| 15:13.43 | ricardo__ | babilen the else part as a whole ? |
| 15:13.56 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: mpich so far, but im going to try to get open-mpi going for my next project |
| 15:13.58 | babilen | ricardo__: just try these commands one by one |
| 15:14.11 | liable | ricardo__: are you in an internet cafe? |
| 15:14.20 | babilen | ricardo__: followed by "ping google.com" to check if you are online... |
| 15:14.28 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: just asking .. i've a friend who works for verari |
| 15:14.39 | ricardo__ | liable yes |
| 15:14.44 | liable | ricardo__: plug into a laptop port. they have to have dhcp running unless they give you the details |
| 15:14.49 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: the guys that make MPI/Pro |
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| 15:15.13 | babilen | ricardo__: if the ifup if failing, it might be worthwhile to try "ifdown eth1" "ifup eth1" first, before the else part |
| 15:15.19 | ricardo__ | so i can take a cable from another comp and plug it in . i dont have to use the casble from the comp i am writting from |
| 15:15.27 | babilen | ricardo__: yes, sure |
| 15:15.36 | liable | ricardo__: yes, just plug into another cable |
| 15:15.37 | babilen | ricardo__: you can use any cable you want |
| 15:15.51 | ricardo__ | ahh that makesd life a bit easier. but what about th ip add he gave me |
| 15:15.52 | devicenull | I just recompiled my kernel, and the kernel I compiled wont boot.. I get "begin: waiting for the root file system".. I'm assuming this means I didnt compile some filesystem drivers that I need, but is there anything else that could do it? |
| 15:16.05 | liable | ricardo__: just plug in first |
| 15:16.12 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: hmm. looks like a windows oriented implementation? |
| 15:16.13 | babilen | ricardo__: lets try it. we can work on problems when they arrive. |
| 15:16.24 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: not at all .. just costs a good bit of money |
| 15:16.25 | ricardo__ | ok |
| 15:16.29 | liable | babilen: lets try dhcp first |
| 15:16.36 | liable | ricardo__: plugged in? |
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| 15:16.52 | devicenull | hm.. my root filesystem is ext3, and ext3 is compiled as a kernel module... could that be it? |
| 15:17.06 | ricardo__ | ok th cable is in |
| 15:17.15 | unilynx | So is it possible to build the fglrx module in debian testing? I can't seem to find a solution |
| 15:17.16 | liable | ricardo__: ifconfig eth1 up |
| 15:17.24 | liable | ricardo__: dhclient eth1 |
| 15:17.34 | Crypticfortune_ | abrotman: ahh. interesting to see if our stuff actually went much faster with that.... |
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| 15:17.50 | ricardo__ | on typing ifup eth1 i get interface is alrady configured |
| 15:17.58 | liable | gah |
| 15:18.07 | babilen | ricardo__: "ping google.com" |
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| 15:18.34 | ricardo__ | hang on dhclient is doing some intersting things |
| 15:19.00 | d0dge | Hello, I just put another harddrive to my debian box, umm how can I list all the components in my computer? |
| 15:19.12 | d0dge | So that I can be sure that Debian found the new harddrive |
| 15:19.13 | babilen | ricardo__, liable : i leave you guys alone. good luck! |
| 15:19.17 | ricardo__ | liable babilen listning on ldf/eth1........... |
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| 15:19.29 | ricardo__ | ok im gonna ping |
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| 15:19.42 | liable | babilen: i dont mean for you to stop interacting |
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| 15:20.00 | liable | ricardo__: just a sec |
| 15:20.11 | liable | ricardo__: ifdown eth1 |
| 15:20.20 | liable | ricardo__: ifconfig eth1 up |
| 15:20.30 | liable | ricardo__: dhclient eth1 |
| 15:20.59 | liable | ricardo__: if you dont see it mention that it gave you an ip, then we need to do something else |
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| 15:21.00 | benjamindees | devicenull, did you build an initial ramdisk? |
| 15:21.23 | babilen | liable: he was given a bunch of IP addresses yesterday and we figured he has to use a static ip. that's why we (me and geo-rge) walked him through a static setup (interfaces and resolv.conf). |
| 15:21.35 | devicenull | it seems to have been built for me by make-kpkg |
| 15:21.44 | devicenull | since I have a /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22 |
| 15:21.51 | liable | babilen: yup, i just want to make sure he cant get a lease first |
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| 15:22.17 | babilen | liable: yes, good try. just wanted to leet you know about the current state... |
| 15:22.23 | liable | babilen: i have never been to an internet cafe that gave out static ip's before |
| 15:22.43 | liable | babilen: if he doesnt get a lease, we'll go the static route |
| 15:23.01 | babilen | liable: me too. but the admin does not speak english, just spanish and our friend ricardo__ is therefore lost. |
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| 15:23.18 | benjamindees | devicenull, and is it in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 15:23.39 | devicenull | yep |
| 15:23.57 | benjamindees | well I can't help you; I have the same problem :D |
| 15:24.00 | benkong2 | can I upgrade from lenny to sidux by changing my sources.lst without a major crash? |
| 15:24.01 | liable | ricardo__: what happened? |
| 15:24.05 | streuner | liable: acpi is prolly enabled by default in d-i |
| 15:24.15 | gravity | benkong2: Ask in sidoux |
| 15:24.22 | gravity | #sidoux that is |
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| 15:24.23 | benkong2 | gravity; ok thanks |
| 15:24.26 | fastputty | how to i get the first char of a text line |
| 15:24.29 | streuner | liable: its just the fucking acpi which sometimes doesnt work |
| 15:24.36 | liable | streuner: i would be surprised in a install kernel actually |
| 15:24.47 | fastputty | how do i egt the first word of a line? |
| 15:24.51 | fastputty | sed command? |
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| 15:25.00 | liable | streuner: be great if you could ask the boot guys if it is or not :) |
| 15:25.04 | devicenull | let me reboot it again.. eventually it should boot into a busybox shell, from what I've seen |
| 15:25.24 | streuner | liable: thats what i did ;-) |
| 15:25.40 | devicenull | hmm |
| 15:25.44 | liable | streuner: they say its enabled? |
| 15:25.45 | benjamindees | d0dge, dmesg|grep hd |
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| 15:26.15 | d0dge | benjamindees: thanks |
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| 15:26.59 | benjamindees | d0dge, actually that will only list ide drives |
| 15:27.03 | troubled | fastputty: awk '{print $1}' |
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| 15:27.23 | d0dge | benjamindees: yeah but I found the hard drive already with that command |
| 15:27.25 | liable | streuner: i would really like to get some real information on this issue because i have seen about a dozen people ask and leave here with no answer as to why they cant see their cd drives after install |
| 15:27.47 | JordiGH | Hm, I told the Debian installer that the hw clock wasn't in UTC, yet it's still applying the timezone offset from the hardware clock instead of taking it as it is. Fix? |
| 15:28.00 | liable | streuner: and thats the first time i have actually seen the probelm resolved |
| 15:28.49 | hark | JordiGH: is utc set to no in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 15:28.58 | troubled | fastputty: if your heart is set on sed, and from bash with escapes: sed 's/\(\W\).*/\1/' |
| 15:29.18 | JordiGH | hark: Yes. :-( |
| 15:29.25 | devicenull | oh |
| 15:29.34 | devicenull | this new kernel has change /dev/hda to /dev/sda |
| 15:29.36 | devicenull | wtf |
| 15:29.48 | JordiGH | devicenull: An SCSI hard disk is sd* |
| 15:29.57 | liable | ricardo__: hello? |
| 15:30.01 | JordiGH | devicenull: IDE devices are still /dev/hd* |
| 15:30.28 | devicenull | JordiGH: thats what I expected too |
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| 15:30.31 | devicenull | but its not the case |
| 15:30.49 | devicenull | I think I know what did it |
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| 15:31.09 | benjamindees | is it a SATA disk? |
| 15:31.30 | Trewas | new libata drivers show even normal PATA disks as /dev/sd* |
| 15:31.38 | devicenull | Trewas: thats what I was thinking |
| 15:31.48 | devicenull | benjamindees: no, IDE |
| 15:31.54 | liable | devicenull: older kernels would show sata drives as hd* whereas newer ones change over to sd* |
| 15:32.01 | JordiGH | devicenull: It's just a different character. Is it giving you probles? |
| 15:32.05 | JordiGH | problems |
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| 15:32.10 | benjamindees | so it does the same thing to ide disks; craptastic |
| 15:32.20 | liable | JordiGH: it will when you try and boot :) |
| 15:32.34 | JordiGH | liable: So you fix /etc/fstab. Yawn. |
| 15:32.45 | elenril | how do i manually patch a source package? |
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| 15:32.48 | liable | and grub |
| 15:32.49 | devicenull | JordiGH: given that I awsnt expecting it |
| 15:33.10 | benjamindees | http://forum.dug.net.pl/viewtopic.php?=&p=50363 <-- someone who speaks polish should inform this guy :) |
| 15:33.14 | JordiGH | liable: grub doesn't know/care what Linux calls the hard drive. |
| 15:33.20 | liable | JordiGH: yes, its great when you know what to do. its not when you dont |
| 15:33.20 | mindshift | debian vs arch? Why debian |
| 15:33.36 | fastputty | troubled: well i need to get the first value of wc command |
| 15:33.38 | fastputty | how do i get it |
| 15:33.48 | troubled | JordiGH: no, but the kernel rootfs param matters :) |
| 15:33.49 | liable | JordiGH: oh really, then why does my raid kernel option have md0? |
| 15:34.10 | troubled | fastputty: ? |
| 15:34.12 | cast | mindshift: how th efuck should we know. perhaps you should try #debianvsarch |
| 15:34.13 | abrotman | Crypticfortune_: i'm sure it would .. my friend says the overall job results are usually much much faster than mpich or lampich |
| 15:34.34 | mindshift | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.36 | troubled | fastputty: wc -l? |
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| 15:34.58 | abrotman | fastputty: #bash |
| 15:34.58 | xlotlu | oh no, distro trolls |
| 15:35.14 | JordiGH | elenril: Get the source package. apt-get build-dep package-name and 'apt-get install fakeroot dpkg-dev'. Then in the directory where you got the Debian source package, do "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" and it should Just Work. |
| 15:35.30 | devicenull | yep, changing the grub config from /dev/hda1 to /dev/sda1 fixed it |
| 15:36.12 | liable | devicenull: better reminf JordiGH |
| 15:36.31 | liable | remind even |
| 15:36.46 | benjamindees | it was more of a progression from no quotes, to the wrong quotes, to more appropriate ones |
| 15:36.58 | liable | dont you hate it when you be a smart ass and misspell making you look like a tard.. |
| 15:37.08 | babilen | ricardo__: still there? |
| 15:37.34 | JordiGH | liable: Ok, yes, grub has to pass a kernel parameter to Linux to tell it where the root is, but that's not something grub knows about. Grub and Linux don't have to agree on what they call the hard drive. (hd0,0) could be /dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1. |
| 15:38.04 | liable | JordiGH: but its still a kernel option grub needs to parse |
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| 15:38.16 | liable | JordiGH: and it doesnt work without it |
| 15:38.23 | JordiGH | liable: Fine. |
| 15:38.46 | marcelo_ | liable ifup eth1 returned eth1 already configured . dhclient eth1 stated listening . ill paste the output |
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| 15:39.00 | liable | marcelo_: gah |
| 15:39.18 | marcelo_ | babilen yeah im hanging on in |
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| 15:39.34 | n0yd | What other APT/DPKG GUI frontends are there besides synaptic, kpackage and aptitude. |
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| 15:39.40 | liable | marcelo_: i said to do 'ifdown eth1' |
| 15:39.49 | liable | marcelo_: then do ifconfig eth1 up |
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| 15:40.02 | JordiGH | n0yd: dselect still exists, but you don't want to use it. ;-) |
| 15:40.03 | liable | not that it probably matters |
| 15:40.40 | elenril | JordiGH, i have to run it in a dir with .tar.gz, .dsc and diff? |
| 15:40.45 | JordiGH | n0yd: There's also adept. |
| 15:40.48 | n0yd | JordiGH: Ya, I was just figuring that with the popularity of apt, there would be a lot of GUI frontends people have made. Google isn't returning much for me. |
| 15:40.51 | n0yd | Ah adept |
| 15:40.51 | troubled | fastputty: did you catch that btw? I just realised your trying to use sed to grab what wc -l already does :) next time wc --help |
| 15:40.53 | n0yd | I forgot that one |
| 15:40.53 | liable | marcelo_: do you know the ip details of the computer you are using? |
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| 15:41.30 | n0yd | JordiGH: Anywhere that might have a list? |
| 15:41.39 | JordiGH | elenril: Did you get the source with "apt-get source packagename"? If not, you'll manually have to extract the .tar.gz and apply the Debian patches. You have to run dpkg-buildpackage in the source tree (usually progname-version/) |
| 15:41.42 | marcelo_ | this is the output from ifup and dhclient and ping http://paste.debian.net/35888 |
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| 15:42.06 | n0yd | I also use Archlinux, and people have made at 4 GUI frontends for pacman. So I figured there must be a bunch for apt/debian. |
| 15:42.10 | JordiGH | n0yd: I'm pretty sure we already have all of the list. There's not that many frontends to apt. |
| 15:42.31 | n0yd | eh :-/ |
| 15:42.31 | JordiGH | Even 5 frontends seem like too many. |
| 15:42.35 | liable | marcelo_: ok, it didnt get a lease |
| 15:42.37 | marcelo_ | my nick has changed from ricard to this marcelo |
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| 15:43.00 | liable | marcelo_: can you find out what lease your computer you have is using? |
| 15:43.06 | cmacis | hey all. I let synaptic update everything on my laptop, and now grub lets me choose from 2 kernels. The more recent one seems to be preventing my wireless from working. I run knetworkmanager, but it doesn't let me find any wireless networks nor connect to mine. |
| 15:43.13 | n0yd | JordiGH: I'd rather have more choices then less. "Too many choices" seems like a gnome-dev mailing list mentaility ;) |
| 15:43.23 | JordiGH | cmacis: So boot the older kernel. :-) |
| 15:43.24 | marcelo_ | liable i cant nab another comps ethernet cable as its starting to get busy |
| 15:43.24 | elenril | JordiGH, that's what i was asking - how do i apply those patches |
| 15:43.31 | elenril | i can't use apt-get source there |
| 15:43.33 | JordiGH | elenril: man patch |
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| 15:43.35 | cmacis | I am booting the older kernel |
| 15:43.36 | devicenull | does anyone know of a tool that will let me define a list of access points to automatically connect to, when I'm in range of them |
| 15:43.39 | liable | marcelo_: i want the one you are on now |
| 15:43.41 | cmacis | Is that my long term fix? |
| 15:43.50 | devicenull | ideally it woud be able to handle WPA and getting me a DHCP lease |
| 15:43.51 | troubled | cmacis: did you do any m-a voodoo on the older one to use wifi? |
| 15:43.56 | JordiGH | cmacis: Sure. If the older kernel works, why use the newer and buggier kernel? |
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| 15:44.05 | cmacis | fair point. Thanks. |
| 15:44.14 | marcelo_ | liable ok ill ask but he speaks spanish :( |
| 15:44.25 | liable | marcelo_: is it a windows comp? |
| 15:44.58 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 15:45.09 | marcelo_ | xp |
| 15:45.26 | liable | marcelo_: open md.exe if it lets you and enter 'ipcinfig -all' |
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| 15:45.34 | liable | cmd.exe |
| 15:45.56 | troubled | liable: your just full of typos today |
| 15:46.34 | troubled | liable: on xp i think its actually /all btw |
| 15:46.42 | liable | troubled: every day, but I am past bed time and only waiting to try and fix this one problem |
| 15:47.14 | JordiGH | elenril: Oh, I just remembered something. dpkg-source also automates the extraction of a Debian source package. |
| 15:47.26 | liable | troubled: fill him in while i go shower then :) |
| 15:47.34 | troubled | liable: nm, -all works too. just used to /switch on windows |
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| 15:48.33 | marcelo_ | liable i can open a terminal but i cant loacte that program cmd.exe |
| 15:48.52 | n0yd | gnome-apt, hmm... |
| 15:49.02 | troubled | marcelo_: <windows key>+R |
| 15:49.10 | marcelo_ | liable all the writting is in spaninsh |
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| 15:49.21 | roe | when is cron.daily actually run? |
| 15:49.22 | troubled | marcelo_: just type cmd<enter> |
| 15:49.45 | JordiGH | roe: Midnight, usually. |
| 15:50.24 | marcelo_ | ok im used run cmd i have a terminal |
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| 15:51.27 | troubled | marcelo_: did you run the ipconfig /all command yet? |
| 15:51.36 | marcelo_ | ipcinfig -all yeah but it dont work |
| 15:51.36 | troubled | (or -all of course as mentioned) |
| 15:51.48 | troubled | ipconfig |
| 15:52.11 | n0yd | enouf: gnome-apt looks promising, but it's still heavy alpha software |
| 15:52.21 | marcelo_ | yeah i typoed |
| 15:52.25 | troubled | you know, you can activate your in brain spell checker once in a while and take your common sense off auto pilot ;) |
| 15:52.26 | marcelo_ | it now works |
| 15:52.55 | enouf | n0yd: gui's for that are not my thing -- do /msg dpkg apt how to and /msg dpkg aptitude |
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| 15:54.07 | marcelo_ | liable troubled i have the ip config in front of me |
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| 15:55.31 | JordiGH | Hrm. Why is Debian applying a timezone offset even if I set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS ? |
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| 15:56.16 | troubled | marcelo_: and? do you remember what it is you were looking for there? cause I have no idea. nor do I wish to hear it. help me help you help yourself |
| 15:56.45 | marcelo_ | i was asked to look it up but not the reason why |
| 15:57.05 | liable | marcelo_: whats the ip and the gateway address |
| 15:57.17 | liable | troubled: you nasty forgetfull person |
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| 15:59.07 | troubled | liable: actually, tbh i was never paying attn to you two beyond your spelling mistake. i was just helping him get a prompt and run ipconfig as per your last instructions :) |
| 15:59.15 | marcelo_ | direction ip is 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:59.31 | liable | troubled: tis ok, thats all that was required :) |
| 15:59.42 | liable | marcelo_: and the local ip? |
| 15:59.48 | troubled | besides, I hear the microwave beeping again, brb |
| 16:00.12 | liable | troubled: you must be bored if you notice my spelling mistakes more tonight than usual :) |
| 16:00.30 | liable | or maybe i need to sleep |
| 16:00.43 | liable | marcelo_: quickly, i need to go to bed |
| 16:00.51 | marcelo_ | ? what would it beging with the writting is in spanish ? |
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| 16:01.07 | marcelo_ | oh man but we are so close im sure |
| 16:01.15 | liable | marcelo_: it would be 192.168.1.<something> |
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| 16:01.38 | troubled | liable: spelling mistakes are fine, but anyone whos been here for more than a few years knows that ignorance is king here and a typo in a command will be taking literally just to spite you :) |
| 16:01.39 | marcelo_ | 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:02.03 | liable | marcelo_: thats the gateway, whats your computers ip? |
| 16:02.39 | liable | troubled: i *usually* notice typos in commands i give afte the fact :) |
| 16:02.46 | marcelo_ | 192.168.1.3 |
| 16:02.51 | liable | after even |
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| 16:03.11 | liable | marcelo_: ok, can you use the cable thats in that computer? |
| 16:03.16 | troubled | liable: actually, thats not true. if you were to tell a user to: "open teh terminal", they would sit there for 30 minutes waiting dumbfounded until you correct yourself cause they didnt know what a "teh" is :) |
| 16:03.23 | marcelo_ | yeah but ill go offline |
| 16:03.35 | liable | marcelo_: good, dont do it yet |
| 16:03.40 | marcelo_ | ok |
| 16:03.51 | liable | marcelo_: ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.3 up |
| 16:04.06 | Dark-Fx | You probably want to set the netmask too |
| 16:04.14 | liable | marcelo_: route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
| 16:04.15 | marcelo_ | befor the cable is connected ? |
| 16:04.18 | liable | Dark-Fx: nope |
| 16:04.23 | liable | marcelo_: yep |
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| 16:05.23 | marcelo_ | ifconfig returns nothing |
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| 16:06.00 | JordiGH | Is this UTC thing a bug or am I not doing it right? What else do I have to do to make sure that the hwclock is being read and written to without a timezone offset. |
| 16:06.18 | marcelo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.35 | liable | marcelo_: after you do that, plug in, and ping 192.168.1.1 once you do that, plug this one back in and tell us if it worked |
| 16:06.45 | liable | marcelo_: yes |
| 16:06.50 | marcelo_ | ok |
| 16:06.54 | en1gma | hey all can someone help me configure my firewall sentance so i dont have to change the "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT --to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" ip all the time? |
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| 16:07.21 | en1gma | everyonce in a while like every couple days my isp changes my static ip |
| 16:07.31 | wastro | dyndns? |
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| 16:07.43 | wastro | @en1gma |
| 16:07.44 | ricky | en1gma: Then it isn't static, is it;) |
| 16:07.48 | en1gma | well this is my firewall |
| 16:07.57 | troubled | ricky: :) |
| 16:08.02 | marcelo_ | liable route returned nothing |
| 16:08.13 | en1gma | usually static ips dont change when you reset your router or unplug it and my dont |
| 16:08.25 | marcelo_ | im gonna go offline and try a ping |
| 16:08.29 | troubled | marcelo_: success then with route btw |
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| 16:08.48 | en1gma | a dymamic ip changes everytime you reconnect to the network |
| 16:08.50 | liable | marcelo_: as i said before, unless you make a mistake, linus doesnt return anything on commands |
| 16:08.52 | marcelo_ | yeah no news is good news :) |
| 16:08.57 | marcelo_ | brb |
| 16:09.02 | liable | marcelo_: returning nothing is good :) |
| 16:09.12 | troubled | en1gma: not true. if you reset your modem and nobody else requests a lease, you will get it again on dynamic ip as well typically |
| 16:09.19 | liable | basterd irc made me open a new beer |
| 16:09.29 | en1gma | usually you get a new one* |
| 16:09.41 | en1gma | try it 100x and tell me how many new ips you get |
| 16:09.47 | en1gma | mine stays the same no matter what |
| 16:09.50 | troubled | en1gma: only cause someone else requested one while you were down usually |
| 16:09.59 | en1gma | mine stays the same* |
| 16:10.11 | en1gma | so its static and dynamic |
| 16:10.14 | troubled | en1gma: what you have is more of what they refer to as a "reserved ip" |
| 16:10.22 | en1gma | ahh ok |
| 16:10.24 | liable | you dont have a staic ip if it changes.. |
| 16:10.30 | en1gma | didnt know the correct terminilogy |
| 16:10.30 | troubled | en1gma: static means no dhcp, just raw numeric entry of the ip |
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| 16:10.43 | en1gma | ok |
| 16:11.00 | troubled | en1gma: well, i go either way, but thats the way the industry and isp's look at it from my experience |
| 16:11.06 | en1gma | i was trying to explain it but wasnt sure how to do it cause it wasnt the typical static ip |
| 16:11.07 | liable | you can still get it via dhcp |
| 16:11.13 | liable | just doesnt change |
| 16:11.19 | en1gma | yea its more dynamic then static true |
| 16:11.50 | troubled | liable: my cable was like that. and my isp called it "reserved" not static though. anyways, thought i would butt in, back to your business now ;) |
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| 16:12.00 | liable | i have a staic ip from my isp, but my modem still gets it from dhcp |
| 16:12.03 | en1gma | but its messing with my nat on eth1...so im not sure what to put there to make it stay the same...i know it needs the mac address or ethx number and not a static ip |
| 16:12.12 | en1gma | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT --to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
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| 16:12.18 | liable | troubled: yeah, shut up! :) |
| 16:12.23 | troubled | heh |
| 16:12.45 | en1gma | troubled i think is correct and liable is too |
| 16:12.53 | troubled | en1gma: curious, your dhcp then yes? as opposed to pppoe and dsl? |
| 16:13.00 | liable | now i will be forever labelled the butt in man |
| 16:13.02 | en1gma | yep dhcp |
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| 16:13.22 | troubled | en1gma: theres a dir for dhclient for when you get leases you can put scripts in |
| 16:13.23 | liable | pppoe does dhcp |
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| 16:13.39 | jelly | liable: I read that as "in the butt man" |
| 16:13.41 | en1gma | its fine...the more input i get the better my decision to who i should listen to for the decision on what to do |
| 16:13.55 | liable | jelly: of course *you* would :P |
| 16:14.08 | troubled | en1gma: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d for example |
| 16:14.17 | en1gma | but i guess i need to know who knows iptables pretty good or maybe even #iptables |
| 16:14.53 | en1gma | troubled after that i will read the britanica encyclopedia then after that i will read the tcp/ip and after that i will read everything that comes up in google |
| 16:15.03 | xdr | how do I tar a directory? |
| 16:15.10 | liable | !tar |
| 16:15.10 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 16:15.29 | xdr | tack :) |
| 16:15.32 | troubled | en1gma: heh, i know what you mean. but if you dont read it all, then it means I have to for you :) |
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| 16:15.34 | xdr | thx |
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| 16:15.46 | jelly | !thank $DEITY for google |
| 16:15.47 | dpkg | no problem, jelly |
| 16:16.02 | liable | dpkg: you are not my god! |
| 16:16.02 | dpkg | liable: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:16.03 | en1gma | how do you think i got my 5 nic router going |
| 16:16.04 | ricardo__ | liable oh bad news , it cant find the cafe netwrok now. |
| 16:16.05 | en1gma | i did read |
| 16:16.13 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 16:16.13 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 16:16.14 | en1gma | it didnt make the firewall script by itself |
| 16:16.25 | liable | ricardo__: explain |
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| 16:16.30 | en1gma | here is my info |
| 16:16.33 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/676997 |
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| 16:17.07 | ricardo__ | i plug in . and usually it a message pops up saying connected to the netwrok but not this time |
| 16:17.08 | en1gma | i had to take out eth2 cause when it was set to auto eth2 it was giving me msgs every 2 secs in the console |
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| 16:17.41 | jelly | how to bind-mount in fstab: /my/real/dir /to/mount/dir none rw,bind 0 0 |
| 16:17.46 | ricardo__ | liable ping dont work |
| 16:18.26 | liable | ricardo__: ok, and that was using the cable from the computer that had the 192.168.1.3 ip address? |
| 16:18.43 | ricardo__ | liable yes |
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| 16:19.21 | liable | ricardo__: on the laptop, does ifconfig show it as having that ip address? |
| 16:19.27 | mmlj4 | hrm... "The "full-upgrade" command is something new that makes sure that you get any |
| 16:19.27 | mmlj4 | additional packages that are part of the release that were not previously |
| 16:19.27 | mmlj4 | installed." # vyatta distro... is this a new apt-get target I haven't heard about? |
| 16:19.49 | ricardo__ | liable do i need the cable connected to test that ? |
| 16:19.59 | liable | mmlj4: suggest you read the apt changelog if you run sid |
| 16:20.04 | liable | ricardo__: no |
| 16:20.07 | ricardo__ | ok |
| 16:20.09 | mmlj4 | sid? you nuts? |
| 16:20.21 | unsolo | hi guys |
| 16:20.24 | liable | actually, yes |
| 16:20.30 | mmlj4 | or maybe that's what vyatta's build on, know knows? |
| 16:20.33 | unsolo | im trying to move a debian install from A to B |
| 16:20.46 | en1gma | ricardo__ you still on that? |
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| 16:20.53 | en1gma | whats it been like 2hrs? |
| 16:21.07 | liable | 2 days apparently |
| 16:21.08 | unsolo | however something is seriusly wrong because grub doesnt show up at all even tho i have run grub root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) etc |
| 16:21.14 | ricardo__ | liable ifconfig does not give an ip add |
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| 16:21.28 | en1gma | omg then i know i couldnt have helped |
| 16:21.40 | liable | ricardo__: then you did something wrong |
| 16:22.02 | liable | ricardo__: ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.3 up |
| 16:22.04 | devicenull | so, I'm attempting to blacklist parport, ppdev, tsdev... I created /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist_cust with "blacklist parport" |
| 16:22.10 | devicenull | after a restart, parport is still loaded |
| 16:22.18 | troubled | en1gma: may i ask how you managed to get all the funky eth names? or do we have udev to thank for this? |
| 16:22.23 | devicenull | what did I do wrong? |
| 16:22.26 | liable | ricardo__: do that then do ifconfig and check again |
| 16:23.10 | ricardo__ | liable yep it has an ip add this time |
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| 16:23.40 | liable | ricardo__: ok, route add -net default gw 192.168.1.1 dev eth1 |
| 16:23.41 | troubled | devicenull: where did you come up with the filename "blocklist_cust"? |
| 16:24.08 | devicenull | sec |
| 16:24.24 | ricardo__ | liable ok did that |
| 16:24.29 | troubled | .oO(these are always good) *eats popcorn* |
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| 16:24.35 | ricardo__ | plug the cable in and ping ? |
| 16:24.38 | devicenull | "To avoid this problem, you can prevent any module (let's say, tulip) from loading by creating an arbitrarily named file, containing a line" -> http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-modules.html |
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| 16:24.47 | liable | ricardo__: ok, plug it in again and try and ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 16:24.59 | devicenull | isnt that the point of .d directories? they parse every config file in them |
| 16:25.52 | liable | !blacklist |
| 16:25.52 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 16:26.08 | liable | hrm, i dont like that any more |
| 16:26.12 | troubled | i like how there say "and arbitrarily named file" rofl |
| 16:26.18 | troubled | s/there/they/ |
| 16:26.31 | liable | !typosmite troubled |
| 16:26.46 | x03 | hi all, i have a litle problem here with wake-on-lan, i have ethtool installed, and i get Supports Wake-on: g and Wake-on: g on boot because i have in /etc/network/interfaces this: iface eth1 inet dhcp and up ethtool -s eth1 wol g, and i comment the line "ifdown -a --exclude=lo" in /etc/init.d/networking, but when i try to wake uo the machine whith wakeonlan [mac] the machine not turn on. someone know if im make some mistake or forgot some step ? tks a lot |
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| 16:27.30 | liable | x03: how are you sending the packet, and is the router passing it on? |
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| 16:28.23 | troubled | x03: also, is it a builtin nic or an addon/pci nic? |
| 16:28.28 | cmacis | hey, my ipod won't mount and returns a security error whenever I try. Does anyone know what to do? |
| 16:29.23 | troubled | cmacis: phone apple tech support? :) |
| 16:29.31 | x03 | liable: in machine that i do the wakeonlan i get the mac ir arp table |
| 16:29.40 | cmacis | unfortunatel, they don't support linux |
| 16:29.41 | x03 | troubled: build-in nic |
| 16:29.54 | liable | x03: that didnt make much sense to me |
| 16:30.14 | x03 | liable: what? |
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| 16:30.39 | liable | x03: what program do you use to send the magic packet? |
| 16:30.58 | x03 | i use 2 wakeonlan and etherwake |
| 16:31.05 | x03 | both doesn work |
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| 16:31.17 | liable | x03: and this is within a lan? |
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| 16:31.40 | gangsterlicious | anyone familiar with mediawiki, bugzilla, and trac? currently we are using mediawiki and bugzilla... i'm wondering if trac would be a good alternative to replace those two? |
| 16:31.40 | troubled | cmacis: and we don't support ipods. sounds like rock & a hard place issue :) j/k. sorry i dont do ipods, but who knows, maybe someone knows here |
| 16:31.44 | liable | not traversing another network? |
| 16:31.50 | ricardo__ | liable no joy. it dont connect to the cafe network |
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| 16:32.09 | liable | ricardo__: no ping? |
| 16:32.14 | x03 | liable: yes |
| 16:32.20 | troubled | liable: dont some wol's require to send the mac or a password of sorts to use it? and doesnt bios require it to be enabled? |
| 16:32.44 | liable | troubled: bios yes, but id ethttool says its enabled, should work |
| 16:32.53 | liable | s/id/if/ |
| 16:32.58 | x03 | liable: probably some 0 level script shutdown the interface |
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| 16:33.23 | ricardo__ | liable it was giving out pings and it kpt giving them out |
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| 16:33.46 | unsolo | some experts on grub here ? |
| 16:33.59 | liable | x03: my sis card would fail to enable it on a hard reboot, but i havent messed with it in a long time, if ethtool says its ok, you should be good to go |
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| 16:34.16 | liable | x03: unless the routers blocking it |
| 16:34.30 | liable | ricardo__: so no replies? |
| 16:35.18 | liable | ricardo__: can you paste the ping output? |
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| 16:35.43 | runev_ | If i have a text document, with the line "replace me please!" and i want to replace that exact match of the text with "im replaced now!" through the command line, without an editor - what should i look into? |
| 16:35.53 | ricardo__ | liable im sorry i had to go for a piss across the road midway through and i had to take the lappy . i wa gonna paste the output but its gone from the terminal |
| 16:36.18 | liable | ricardo__: hehe, no problem. can you try again and paste it? |
| 16:36.40 | ricardo__ | ok ill try again brb |
| 16:37.13 | cahoot | runev, sed |
| 16:37.14 | cmacis | well, does this error message mean anything to anyone? "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal" |
| 16:37.42 | liable | ricardo__: problem is that i dont know whether you are interpreting the output right, so this is going to be a long process |
| 16:37.46 | liable | bah |
| 16:38.22 | liable | he's got half a beer before i go to bed |
| 16:38.59 | Ronin | beer? someone mention beer? |
| 16:39.01 | liable | cmacis: thats a fantasticly cryptic hal error |
| 16:39.06 | JordiGH | runev: perl! |
| 16:39.22 | cmacis | aye, it doesn't even say what files need editing |
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| 16:39.52 | unsolo | does debian do something really strange with the grub install |
| 16:39.54 | XoX | anyone know if reiserfs 3.6 is stable enouth for production environment ? |
| 16:40.00 | cmacis | ah, I've seen someone's solution on redhat. Any chance of it working on debian? |
| 16:40.02 | unsolo | i have never seen such errors that im getting now |
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| 16:40.08 | unsolo | and the rescue isnt helping at all |
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| 16:40.18 | unsolo | someone care to give lend me a hand |
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| 16:40.41 | liable | cmacis: try and let us know |
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| 16:41.06 | cmacis | editing /etc/group. Adding "plugdev" and adding my user to this group. |
| 16:41.13 | cahoot | unsolo, you probably stand a better chance if you provide some real info like error msg |
| 16:41.16 | liable | XoX: as far as reiser goes, 3 is as stable as it getsi guess |
| 16:41.48 | unsolo | cahoot: well i get a smiley face when i try to boot |
| 16:41.53 | unsolo | thats all |
| 16:42.15 | liable | ricardo__: do you have a light on the card when you plug it in? |
| 16:42.34 | unsolo | doesnt seem to be laoding grub at all just prints out loads of whitespaces and ends in a smiley face |
| 16:42.47 | cahoot | unsolo, a real debian install results in a smiley? |
| 16:42.50 | ricardo__ | liable i cant se no light for the card |
| 16:42.52 | liable | which is prolly not that funny |
| 16:43.13 | unsolo | cahoot: well im trying to move it tho.. |
| 16:43.17 | liable | ricardo__: right where you plug it in, there should be a little led |
| 16:43.27 | liable | ricardo__: have you got the paste? |
| 16:43.39 | ricardo__ | liable no not on the laptop |
| 16:43.52 | unsolo | but im also getting that smiley face on the second raid disk which is partially broke |
| 16:44.00 | ricardo__ | i fu*cked upo again i cant recall the add i ping to |
| 16:44.28 | liable | ricardo__: even laptops have a little light when you plug the cable in |
| 16:44.45 | ricardo__ | liable nah it dont |
| 16:45.04 | liable | ricardo__: 192.168.1.1 is the add to ping |
| 16:45.12 | liable | ricardo__: it should have a led |
| 16:45.22 | liable | i havent seen one that doesnt |
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| 16:46.13 | runev_ | Anyone know how i can get Aterm to correctnly diplay norwegian characte? |
| 16:46.26 | liable | ricardo__: if it doesnt have a little light, then i suspect your ethernet card is fucked, which would explain why this is being so difficult |
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| 16:47.06 | ricardo__ | im looking there isnt an led in sight .Im dual booting and a couple of days ago i had xp using the card |
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| 16:47.28 | ricardo__ | liable oh no that was the wireless card |
| 16:47.29 | liable | ricardo__: right where the cable plugs in |
| 16:47.45 | abrotman | still? |
| 16:47.51 | liable | yep :( |
| 16:47.51 | ricardo__ | liable no led |
| 16:48.05 | cmacis | okay, that didn't work. Do I have to restart/log back in before changes to user groups come into effect? |
| 16:48.06 | cahoot | runev, you have a fontset with those included? |
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| 16:48.20 | liable | ricardo__: try windows |
| 16:48.35 | ricardo__ | liable ok |
| 16:49.15 | liable | ricardo__: if it works, take note of the ip settings |
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| 16:49.45 | liable | the e100 driver has been around long enough to not be buggy though |
| 16:50.06 | abrotman | cmacis: yes |
| 16:50.11 | unsolo | does debian do default grub chainloading ? |
| 16:50.17 | cmacis | which, restart or log back in? |
| 16:50.37 | liable | unsolo: eh, there is no default chainloading |
| 16:50.43 | liable | you set it up |
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| 16:51.41 | unsolo | liable: ok so basically copying /boot to a new /boot then doing a root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) when the new /boot is hd0 should and will work right |
| 16:52.33 | liable | unsolo: you can get it to chainload, thats not a problem, but i am not sure exactly what you are trying to do |
| 16:52.48 | unsolo | liable: im trying to migrate my debian |
| 16:52.55 | unsolo | from old drives to a raid6 |
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| 16:53.59 | unsolo | however when i try booting i get a smiley face |
| 16:54.08 | liable | unsolo: keep your original drive as master and add the raid as an option, if it boots ok, the install grub into that |
| 16:54.26 | unsolo | ? |
| 16:54.33 | liable | i have no idea how to install grub into a raid5 though |
| 16:54.41 | unsolo | liable: hardware raid6 |
| 16:54.47 | unsolo | shows as a scsi device |
| 16:54.58 | unsolo | in gentoo its just the same as any other scsi device |
| 16:55.13 | liable | unsolo: but you still have an old drive as the base install? |
| 16:55.16 | abrotman | you just install it to /dev/sda with hardware raid5 |
| 16:55.19 | rebo123 | hi everyone |
| 16:55.28 | Ranpha1 | okay i running stupid here to get s static ip adress all you need to input is iface ethX inet static then address 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ?/ right because i get nothing here |
| 16:55.39 | unsolo | liable: the old drive seems to boot yes but its not safe |
| 16:55.44 | rebo123 | I'm trying to configure ntop on Debian. Should I edit /etc/init.d/ntop to set command line options? Or is there a nice way to do it? |
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| 16:55.46 | abrotman | Ranpha1: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 16:55.49 | unsolo | it was in a raid1 and one of the drives have failed |
| 16:56.14 | rebo123 | Also, the web configuration works, but I have no idea where the changes are recorded to, or read from. Any ideas where to find the configuration file? |
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| 16:56.57 | unsolo | liable: i have also booted the latest etch and done grub-install from that with old drives removed |
| 16:57.00 | unsolo | didnt help |
| 16:57.06 | unsolo | smiley face keeps hitting me back |
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| 16:57.37 | cizarr | hello, is there any good Socks wrapper for nix like SocksCap please? |
| 16:57.38 | liable | unsolo: ok, i dunno what your problem is |
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| 16:57.59 | unsolo | liable: me neither |
| 16:58.04 | unsolo | its just STRANGE |
| 16:58.12 | unsolo | maybe the device map is all wrong tho |
| 16:59.25 | liable | unsolo: i havent ever heard of a grub smiley |
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| 16:59.55 | unsolo | well it basically just spits out whitespaces and ends with a smiley where its supposed to be loading grub |
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| 17:00.27 | liable | unsolo: have you tried from a rescue disk? |
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| 17:01.05 | unsolo | liable: yes |
| 17:01.18 | unsolo | i tried installing grub from it etc etc etc |
| 17:01.24 | unsolo | everything fails.. |
| 17:01.30 | liable | buger |
| 17:01.37 | liable | bugger even |
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| 17:02.19 | unsolo | yea |
| 17:02.23 | unsolo | im freaking out soon |
| 17:02.28 | unsolo | never seen it act like this before. |
| 17:02.35 | unsolo | grub is usally nice to deal with |
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| 17:04.20 | Ranpha1 | 2 computer toghether with a crossover cable just put in static address and they work? or am i missing something |
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| 17:04.20 | raz0 | That's correct. |
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| 17:07.12 | ricardo | liable the card works ok |
| 17:07.19 | ricardo | im using xp |
| 17:07.40 | Quintin | well there's your problem right there! |
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| 17:08.34 | ricardo | Quintin im trying for debian to connect but its been quite a struggle |
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| 17:09.52 | benjamindees | cizarr, http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=socks&searchon=all&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
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| 17:13.40 | ricardo | liable the addresses are the same as we put in on debian |
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| 17:16.14 | unsolo | yay got past the smiley |
| 17:16.22 | unsolo | donno what of the 500 things i did that worked tho |
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| 17:17.58 | tipote | Hi ! I'd like to do a netinstall of debian, but my machine is connected through wifi, with a card that is only supported by ndiswrapper or madwifi. Is this possible anyway ? |
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| 17:19.47 | h3sp4wn | tipote: You can use cdebootstrap or debootstrap from knoppix / grml/ sidux / kanotix or another live cd |
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| 17:21.15 | Zmanu | hello |
| 17:21.30 | Zmanu | is it possible to install debian etch on a hard disk of 270 Mo ? |
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| 17:21.55 | tipote | h3sp4wn: interesting, thx |
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| 17:23.01 | benjamindees | Zmanu, I would guess it is likely possible in some way or another |
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| 17:23.24 | benjamindees | with the 'expert' install perhaps |
| 17:23.57 | ricardo | liable gone for some rest ? |
| 17:24.13 | ricardo | geo-rge can you help |
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| 17:26.22 | unsolo | where does /sbin/update-grub get the file system information from ? |
| 17:26.25 | unsolo | mtab ? |
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| 17:27.08 | Zmanu | benjamindees: ok thanks, i gonna try |
| 17:27.28 | ricardo | babilen hi |
| 17:28.03 | babilen | ricardo: hi, and working out? |
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| 17:28.29 | ricardo | not quite but we are getting there |
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| 17:29.03 | ricardo | Ive had to test the ethernet card to see if it wqorks from my dual boot xp |
| 17:29.25 | babilen | ricardo: and is it working in xp? |
| 17:29.32 | ricardo | yeah |
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| 17:29.37 | ricardo | im using it now |
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| 17:29.53 | Zenom | if i didn't get to install a previous package |
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| 17:30.02 | Zenom | and now when i do an apt-get it shows that data with its errors |
| 17:30.05 | Zenom | how do I clear it out? |
| 17:30.08 | babilen | ricardo: you have internet access if you boot into windows XP ? |
| 17:30.15 | spq | how can i patch postfix and create a deb package? |
| 17:30.19 | ricardo | babilen all the addresses the guy gave me work. so it seems to be a configuaration issues with debian |
| 17:30.24 | Ranpha1 | does anybody knows how to setup a crossovercable network becuase nothing works |
| 17:30.25 | azeem | Zenom: post the error on a pastebin |
| 17:30.27 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 17:30.27 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 17:30.32 | ricardo | babilen yeah from the cafe |
| 17:30.47 | babilen | ricardo: but you had to enter all the addresses the guy gave you to make it work? |
| 17:30.56 | ricardo | yeah |
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| 17:31.05 | en1gma | can someone tell me why i keep getting this msg every 2 seconds http://pastebin.ca/677077 |
| 17:31.13 | Zenom | azeem: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47021 |
| 17:31.13 | babilen | ricardo: ok, that is good news. |
| 17:31.20 | en1gma | i know that i can disable "auto eth2" in /etc/network/interfaces or ifconfig eth2 down but thats not how it is supposed to wrok |
| 17:31.22 | babilen | ricardo: what are you up to now? |
| 17:31.26 | tipote | Can I install debian with the first cd of the set only ? |
| 17:31.33 | Zenom | just trying to remove memcached that is on there and compile new |
| 17:31.38 | Zenom | but lighttpd never got installed right either |
| 17:31.40 | azeem | Zenom: what does it propose when you run apt-get -f install? |
| 17:31.42 | Zenom | so i want to just clear that out |
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| 17:31.47 | Zenom | i dont want to install that |
| 17:31.53 | mot_ | what's the easiest way to configure apt-get after a net install? |
| 17:31.53 | Zenom | i just want to clean that up |
| 17:32.02 | ricardo | im trying to get the card to work. liable is taking a well deserve break |
| 17:32.02 | Ronin | tipote: yes you can, then you can use aptitude to install the rest if you want |
| 17:32.17 | azeem | Zenom: install what |
| 17:32.20 | mot_ | also, what is the syntax that debian uses for kernels? i'm trying to apt-get updates/the latest kernel and it obviously doesn't use the redhat/rpm-esque syntax for kernel naming |
| 17:32.29 | azeem | Zenom: it says "run apt-get -f install" |
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| 17:32.31 | en1gma | liable couldnt get it to work? |
| 17:32.32 | Zenom | azeem: I am trying to REMOVE memcached, but that comes up |
| 17:32.33 | azeem | did you try that? |
| 17:32.41 | Zenom | i dont want to install lighttpd though |
| 17:32.43 | en1gma | let him ssh into your box and i bet he can |
| 17:32.44 | tipote | Ronin: How can I know on which cd is ndiswrapper for example ? I would need it for the network to work. |
| 17:32.52 | azeem | Zenom: you can remove memcached all you want, after you fixed your system |
| 17:33.07 | azeem | Zenom: you already installed lighttpd |
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| 17:33.14 | spq | how can i add a patch to a debian package and create a deb? |
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| 17:33.46 | azeem | spq: read the new maintainers guide, figure out whether the package already has a patch system, use that if so |
| 17:33.46 | Zenom | ok i removed lighttpd |
| 17:33.49 | Zenom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:33.55 | Zenom | and it worked |
| 17:33.55 | azeem | Zenom: fine |
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| 17:34.27 | ricardo | babilen what should i try next ? |
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| 17:34.59 | jyf1987 | hello,when i insmod a r8169 modules,system shows cannot open it,why? |
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| 17:35.15 | mot_ | best way to configure apt-get for nonfree, anyone? |
| 17:35.30 | Ronin | !non-free |
| 17:35.30 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about <vrms> |
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| 17:36.03 | h3sp4wn | jyf1987: use modprobe not insmod |
| 17:36.14 | h3sp4wn | jyf1987: (at least if you are using 2.6) |
| 17:36.32 | mot_ | alright, then well |
| 17:36.36 | mot_ | i'm trying to configure apt-get |
| 17:36.36 | oomph | mot_ you edit |
| 17:36.46 | oomph | mot_ you /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:36.47 | mot_ | currently it's configured with the kernel.org mirror but is giving errors (302 found) |
| 17:37.01 | mot_ | right, but i don't know which mirrors are good to use... |
| 17:37.03 | Ronin | !tell mot_ about sources.list |
| 17:37.19 | oomph | it really all depends on isp |
| 17:37.29 | mot_ | michigan state university. |
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| 17:38.43 | babilen | ricardo: got my messages? i send you some private ones. |
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| 17:41.19 | Zenom | my host uses some of the oldest dang debian packages |
| 17:42.32 | Zenom | and i can't seem to connect to http.us.debian.org (35.9.37.225)] |
| 17:42.36 | mot_ | since i'm not installing x, what's the util to use to configure static ip settings? |
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| 17:43.36 | h3sp4wn | mot_: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:43.42 | h3sp4wn | !tell mot_ about interfaces |
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| 17:44.37 | mot_ | there's no commandline utility for doing it? |
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| 17:44.58 | Ronin | mot_: yes a basic text editor :) |
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| 17:45.26 | JordiGH | mot_: man iface |
| 17:45.38 | piyush_ | my system shows 300mb ram usage out of 512 is it ok? |
| 17:45.39 | JordiGH | Er, ifconfig |
| 17:46.02 | JordiGH | I wonder if mot_ wants an ncurses interface to config the network. |
| 17:46.14 | unlink | i have encrypted filesystems as set up per the etch installer. how do i mount them from, say, knoppix? |
| 17:46.16 | Ronin | JordiGH: i suspect so |
| 17:46.21 | JordiGH | piyush_: That's actually a little weird. |
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| 17:48.57 | JordiGH | unlink: Knoppix seems to recognise encrypted partitions at boot time and will prompt you for a password to mount them, but I have no idea of the internals of how it does this. |
| 17:49.23 | JordiGH | unlink: I'm not sure if LVM will confuse Knoppix, however. |
| 17:49.27 | unlink | JordiGH: it didn't for me :( |
| 17:49.30 | unlink | JordiGH: oh yeah i'm using lvm. |
| 17:50.01 | en1gma | can anyone help me with that problem |
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| 17:51.25 | JordiGH | unlink: I guess you can look at your /etc/fstab for a clue on how debian is mounting the encrypted LVM volumes. |
| 17:51.26 | mot_ | now, i'm getting "connection refused" when trying to ssh into my new etch box - ideas? |
| 17:51.37 | h3sp4wn | mot_: install ssh |
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| 17:52.16 | unlink | JordiGH: it's mounting files in /dev/mapper that don't exist when i boot with knoppix |
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| 17:52.54 | JordiGH | unlink: Hm, no clue, then. /dev/mapper is the encryption device, I think. |
| 17:53.00 | unlink | JordiGH: it's a directory |
| 17:53.04 | JordiGH | unlink: You might need a kernel module for it. |
| 17:53.29 | xdr | is there any SAFE dma settings for disks? |
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| 17:53.53 | unlink | xdr: PIO0 |
| 17:54.01 | xdr | unlink: ok thx :) |
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| 17:55.42 | Ranpha1 | is it possible to use crossover network on linux? |
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| 17:57.03 | trebor_win | Xvnc does not accept the same password as vncserver? |
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| 17:57.25 | trebor_win | does someone know something about this? |
| 17:57.54 | harpal | when I boot from my new kernel than it shows me equest_module: runaway loop modprobe net-pf-1 and just stops not going further |
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| 17:58.38 | JordiGH | Ranpha1: What's crossover network? |
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| 18:02.59 | abrotman | Ranpha1: a crossover cable? yes |
| 18:03.25 | fastputty | how do i get it |
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| 18:03.43 | Ronin | get what fastputty ? |
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| 18:04.25 | Ranpha1 | abrotman yes ..but i can't connect using a static adress |
| 18:04.35 | devicenull | what do the ehci_hcd and uhci_hcd modules actually do? |
| 18:04.42 | devicenull | they seem to be related to usb |
| 18:05.11 | abrotman | Ranpha1: then it's misconfigured |
| 18:05.15 | abrotman | or .. the link isn't good |
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| 18:05.45 | noxin | hi |
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| 18:06.20 | Ranpha1 | abrotman ....you could say that but it's a new cable and both computers have the same nework setup (same mainboard etc) i just fill in the addres and netmask nothing else and i keep getting link up and linkdown every 3 secs |
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| 18:07.48 | noxin | is there anyone who can help me with network debuging? |
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| 18:08.24 | karmatronic | has anyone constated problem with 1394 and last debian s testing ? |
| 18:08.33 | karmatronic | cant use my firewire card anymore :( |
| 18:08.43 | noxin | i have a problem with a wlan client who can't receive an ip via dhcp, tcpdump shows me only one message: 20:06:36.952669 0:18:4d:72:4a:bb > Broadcast null rej (r=64,C) len=42 |
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| 18:10.21 | Zenom | does stable not update its packages with the newer versions? |
| 18:10.28 | Zenom | i mean memcached is 1.1.12 on our box |
| 18:10.32 | Zenom | and that is over a year old |
| 18:10.40 | azeem | Zenom: no, that's why it's called "stable" |
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| 18:10.52 | harpal | I have installed debian 4.0 installed and I dont have modules.conf file than Is it right? |
| 18:11.11 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 18:11.11 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
| 18:11.13 | h3sp4wn | !modules.conf |
| 18:11.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, modules.conf is the source of all evil |
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| 18:11.32 | azeem | harpal: yes, check /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 18:12.15 | h3sp4wn | harpal: modules.conf is only for 2.4 |
| 18:12.18 | Ranpha1 | abrotman how do i need to configure my network ti use crossover? |
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| 18:13.53 | harpal | I have loop written in modules, when I boot from my new kernel than its giving me request_module: runaway loop modprobe net-pf-1. |
| 18:14.05 | harpal | so Is that loop will causing problem? |
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| 18:15.34 | elvedin | Whoops, looks like I was seeding the etch i386 DVD all night. Bye bye 57GB from my transfer limit |
| 18:15.59 | ryancr | I have a server that is not responding to either the reboot or shutdown -r now commands, any ideas what might cause this. The file system is mounted as read-only. |
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| 18:16.32 | elvedin | One of your file systems may be full |
| 18:16.42 | elvedin | That's the only time I had anything like that happen |
| 18:17.18 | ryancr | yeah thats what i thought too, but df shows that i am only using 9% |
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| 18:18.10 | elvedin | On all filesystems? |
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| 18:19.26 | Ranpha1 | Does anybody KNOWS the setting for a crossover network setup???? because not even google knows this |
| 18:21.29 | thelostbutler | hello folks, what would be the way to recompile perl version in sarge to support 64bit INT ? would i just go apt-get source perl and then build a deb package ? |
| 18:21.52 | JordiGH | !simple backport |
| 18:21.53 | ryancr | elvedin: well /boot is at 17% and / is at 9% |
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| 18:22.04 | xjkx | my printer has only the black color, the other ones are out. Cups cant print, i think it uses the colors even though i want it to just print the black color, i am using "Color Model: Grayscale" |
| 18:22.26 | JordiGH | !tell thelostbutler about simple sid backport |
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| 18:22.39 | elvedin | ryancr: Well, that's just weird. I can't help you |
| 18:22.56 | ryancr | heh yeah it is, thanks |
| 18:24.39 | stray_ | Ranpha1: try the search term "crossover cable" |
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| 18:26.57 | mot_ | anybody know the package name of the php/mysql extension 'extension'? |
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| 18:32.03 | Stwange | does debian have much support for SATA and on-board sound? |
| 18:32.23 | azeem | same as linux |
| 18:33.14 | ricardo__ | im trying to connect my laptop connected to the internte through a internt cafes netwrok. here is the result of a ping http://paste.debian.net/35899 |
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| 18:33.26 | Stwange | it's aight to say that, but I can run Ubuntu on my SATA but struggled so far with Mandriva, Solaris (not Linux I know) and Slackware |
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| 18:33.36 | ricardo__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.40 | Stwange | and then Ubuntu struggles with the onboard sound, but it could just be that distro |
| 18:34.17 | en1gmaa | how do you "activate" a nic that is set to static in /etc/network/interfaces with no 'auto ethxx' |
| 18:34.40 | en1gmaa | for some reason im having problems with one of my nics |
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| 18:36.09 | isleshocky77 | What can I use to do a search of files in a directory and return every file not containing a specific string? |
| 18:36.17 | isleshocky77 | Using the command line |
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| 18:36.46 | Stwange | 21 CDs for install?? is that really necessary? Or can I just download, eg. the first 2? |
| 18:36.54 | JordiGH | Stwange: You can download the first one. |
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| 18:36.58 | hramrach | Hello |
| 18:37.10 | JordiGH | isleshocky77: Thinking of a Perlism to do it... |
| 18:37.12 | Stwange | ok thanks |
| 18:37.27 | JordiGH | Stwange: Or if you have a good net connection, just download the netinstall. |
| 18:37.38 | isleshocky77 | JordiGH: It's a one time thing so I just need something that will work. |
| 18:37.48 | simonrvn | find . \! -iname '*string*' -type f |
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| 18:37.52 | snowbird | Stwange, net install 1 cd then net download |
| 18:37.57 | xand | Stwange: or just the netinstall one, which is even smaller... assuming you have a decentish connection |
| 18:38.06 | JordiGH | Stwange: A netinstall will download a base system whose sole purpose is pretty much just to download the rest of debian as yuou need it. |
| 18:38.20 | JordiGH | isleshocky77: A Perlism *is* a one-time thing. :-) |
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| 18:38.33 | isleshocky77 | oh, haha. see you learn two things every day. Thanks. |
| 18:38.33 | abrotman | !d-i Stwange |
| 18:38.33 | dpkg | Stwange, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:39.00 | Stwange | I think that's where I was |
| 18:39.21 | snowbird | good spot get netinstall and with goo conection away you go |
| 18:39.25 | abrotman | isleshocky77: man grep |
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| 18:39.53 | abrotman | oh .. except -L stops at the first match apparenlty |
| 18:39.54 | isleshocky77 | simonrvn: That looks like it worked, can I make it so it's not recursive? |
| 18:39.55 | abrotman | or non-match |
| 18:39.57 | hramrach | what package do I need to make pcmcia work? There used to be pcmcia-cs, then loading a magic manager module, what is it now? |
| 18:40.15 | simonrvn | man find for -maxdepth |
| 18:40.30 | abrotman | hramrach: apt-cache search pcmcia |
| 18:40.58 | Stwange | yeah ok I'm getting the netinstall, I probably won't want much of the stuff so should make it quicker |
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| 18:41.15 | en1gmaa | can someone please tell me the command to activate eth2? its set to static in /etc/network/interfaces....since there is no "auto eth2" in that file ifup does not work |
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| 18:45.52 | hramrach | abrotman: thanks, looks like pcmciautils is the right one |
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| 18:46.28 | hramrach | and like apt-cache would find it even if pcmcia was not in the name |
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| 18:48.24 | abrotman | hramrach: huh ? |
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| 18:48.42 | maxdoubt | hey, dpkg & apt are written in c right? |
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| 18:49.15 | simonrvn | no, they're written on birch bark |
| 18:49.26 | maxdoubt | ha |
| 18:49.30 | simonrvn | :) |
| 18:49.34 | maxdoubt | i'll take that as confirmation then |
| 18:49.43 | simonrvn | yeh, thouh dpkg has some perl-y bits |
| 18:49.48 | simonrvn | tough* |
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| 18:49.51 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:49.59 | simonrvn | though |
| 18:50.04 | maxdoubt | yeah, i noticed that yum and emerge were noticable slower... of course they're written in python |
| 18:50.23 | abrotman | could also be code quality |
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| 18:50.42 | sandwitch | compared to apt yum is a dumb-ass |
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| 18:50.55 | simonrvn | python is usually faster than perl, they're probably written poorly, or too much overhead code, or some other factor |
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| 18:51.53 | jelly | or they don't do the same thing |
| 18:51.58 | simonrvn | almost caught that fricking fly |
| 18:52.36 | lontra | how would i resize an icon to 128x128? |
| 18:52.45 | abrotman | simonrvn: bonzai ? |
| 18:52.49 | abrotman | lontra: gimp ? |
| 18:52.56 | maxdoubt | yeah, i have been charged with the task of trying to identify the differences between various linux distros... and advocate who is better at what |
| 18:53.01 | simonrvn | abrotman: what? |
| 18:53.03 | jelly | ... considering that rpm has file-based dependencies, their package management tools need to do more figuring out than apt |
| 18:53.06 | abrotman | simonrvn: karate kid |
| 18:53.16 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 18:53.16 | lontra | abrotman: do you know if it's easy? gimp looks intimidating |
| 18:53.34 | abrotman | lontra: i'm not sure why you'd want to do it though |
| 18:53.57 | lontra | abrotman: i'm tracking to make a kmenu icon |
| 18:53.59 | maxdoubt | imagemagick? |
| 18:54.02 | pa7iQ | hey anybody know how to set the timezone? there was a base-conf utility but I can't find it now. |
| 18:54.09 | sandwitch | maxdoubt: your nick underlines your assignement? |
| 18:54.14 | simonrvn | tzconfig |
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| 18:54.37 | maxdoubt | sandwitch, yeah... it could also be maxedout |
| 18:54.39 | simonrvn | or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 18:54.49 | pa7iQ | ok thanks I try |
| 18:55.08 | UncleD | Im having trouble with dpkg and aptitude. Can anyone explain how to fix this error: http://pastie.caboo.se/92821 |
| 18:55.13 | adv3cate | or max headroom |
| 18:55.16 | sandwitch | lol |
| 18:55.16 | maxdoubt | too much linux, make max a dull boy |
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| 18:55.40 | sandwitch | no the problem |
| 18:55.44 | sandwitch | now |
| 18:55.48 | xjkx | please someone check if your cups have a black&white model, mine hasnt :< |
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| 18:56.31 | trebor_win | hm. xvnc and glx... it does not work here (mesa & nvidea exist (nvidea is proven to work)). how can i force xvnc to use mesa? |
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| 18:58.13 | Ast001 | Hello |
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| 18:58.46 | mot_ | hmm what package installs a c compiler |
| 18:58.47 | mot_ | i.e. glibc |
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| 18:58.56 | simonrvn | !b-e mot_ |
| 18:58.56 | dpkg | mot_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 18:59.04 | mot_ | yep |
| 18:59.09 | Ast001 | I still have no sound on my Ga-M52S-S3P with nVidia chipset on Etch amd64 |
| 18:59.25 | UncleD | simonrvn: Im having trouble with dpkg and aptitude. Can anyone explain how to fix this error: http://pastie.caboo.se/92821 |
| 18:59.25 | en1gma | !bugzilla |
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| 19:00.24 | en1gma | how do i search for bugs |
| 19:00.36 | en1gma | im running debian sid |
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| 19:00.50 | babilen | en1gma: i would say you found them :-) |
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| 19:01.18 | babilen | en1gma: on second thought, buds.debian.org might be more helpfull... |
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| 19:01.34 | babilen | en1gma: s/buds/bugs/g |
| 19:01.47 | adv3cate | buds *smoke* |
| 19:01.49 | zenwryly | I just read in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=413496 that emacs-snapshot is orphaned. WHat does that mean? What would be the best source for a debian package of emacs CVS or 22? |
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| 19:02.43 | jair | hello guys. |
| 19:02.46 | jair | I am trying to understand why my ddclient keeps updating the zone I have in zoneedit with the private IP instead using the external dynamic IP? |
| 19:03.02 | jair | anyone here is familiar with ddclient? and zoneedit? |
| 19:03.26 | Ast001 | 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 19:03.26 | Ast001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.36 | hark | zenwryly: emacs22 is in testing/sid |
| 19:03.57 | simonrvn | UncleD: been a recurring problem lately. need to have apache2.2-common installed, or reinstall it. file a bug report if there isn't one for this |
| 19:04.36 | simonrvn | seems someone FUBARed the postrm for the mpm packages (i think so) |
| 19:05.05 | h3sp4wn | Ast001: build alsa-source from unstable with module-assistant |
| 19:05.26 | zenwryly | hark: thanks! |
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| 19:06.09 | hark | UncleD: those are not debian kernels? |
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| 19:06.52 | h3sp4wn | zenwryly: If you want emacs-snapshot it is now at http://emacs.orebokech.com/ |
| 19:07.03 | hramrach | trebor_win: I doubt xvnc woud have glx at all It is very cut down X server |
| 19:07.09 | zenwryly | h3sp4wn: ah, much better. Thanks! |
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| 19:07.39 | SkareCrow | anyone know where i can get the xserver-xgl package on Debian Etch? |
| 19:07.53 | hark | zenwryly: if you're looking for the xft thing, it's not in the snapshot as well afaik |
| 19:07.54 | azeem | SkareCrow: why? |
| 19:08.01 | azeem | SkareCrow: xserver-xgl is deprecated, AFAIK |
| 19:08.14 | hramrach | trebor_win: And it was very old one last time I looked so it probably would need an old mesa to make even build the extension |
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| 19:08.43 | hramrach | trebor_win: it would be completely software rendering, extremely slow. |
| 19:08.47 | Bogus8 | I set up postfix and set it up for root to be able to send mail (for scripts) and now I get an email when a script I wrote runs via cron.daily.... I don't have anything in the script about that... it seems cron is doing it... how can I stop that? |
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| 19:09.37 | hramrach | trebor_win: lastly if you installed nvidia drivers for your card it installs its own opengl libraries which are incompatible with xorg glx |
| 19:09.52 | SkareCrow | i thought there was no official xserver-xgl package because there was no release of XGL |
| 19:10.04 | SkareCrow | is still in development or something |
| 19:10.05 | mbroeker | Bogus8, cron sends mail if the script produces output: |
| 19:10.10 | azeem | SkareCrow: are you sure? |
| 19:10.23 | Bogus8 | mbroeker: anyway to turn that off? I really don't need cron to ever send mail |
| 19:10.23 | azeem | I haven't heard people talking about xserver-xgl for at least a year now I guess |
| 19:10.25 | mbroeker | Bogus8, put &>/dev/null at every line of the script |
| 19:10.43 | azeem | SkareCrow: plus everybody seems to agree that it was a pretty stupid idea to begin with |
| 19:10.52 | Bogus8 | mbroeker: no way to just disable emailing via cron period? |
| 19:10.52 | hark | SkareCrow: what's your graphics card? |
| 19:11.00 | SkareCrow | Radeon 9200 |
| 19:11.03 | zenwryly | hark: what's the sft thing? |
| 19:11.23 | zenwryly | hark: ah! fonts. |
| 19:11.55 | hark | anti-aliased fonts in the X11 UI ;) |
| 19:12.01 | SkareCrow | well I need XGL to run Compiz |
| 19:12.13 | hark | what most seem to be after :) |
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| 19:12.20 | SkareCrow | there is AIGLX I belive |
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| 19:12.33 | SkareCrow | but I do not belive my gfx card will work with it |
| 19:12.34 | hark | SkareCrow: you don't need xgl for that |
| 19:13.00 | hramrach | SkareCrow: It will I tried |
| 19:13.02 | SkareCrow | in order to run some of the plugins dont you need it? |
| 19:13.09 | hark | !wikifaq SkareCrow Compiz |
| 19:13.09 | dpkg | SkareCrow: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 19:14.32 | hramrach | SkareCrow: on Ubuntu they have a nice little configuration applet for starting Compiz. It works on Radeon 9200 just fine |
| 19:14.36 | SkareCrow | First, you should verify if your video card is supported. Check the list of supported cards below (on other cards, Compiz would need Xgl): |
| 19:14.51 | SkareCrow | so if my card isnt supported it would need XGL? |
| 19:15.07 | azeem | SkareCrow: that's probably horribly outdated |
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| 19:15.27 | hark | SkareCrow: it says on other cards |
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| 19:15.40 | hramrach | SkareCrow: trying to use your gpu for heating? |
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| 19:16.01 | SkareCrow | it says it was last edited 2 months ago |
| 19:16.12 | hark | it's still valid |
| 19:16.17 | Bogus8 | well, I set the "MAILTO" to a "junk" user in crontab so it will email any silly details to that user... what other process email root that I might want to stiffle ;) |
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| 19:16.50 | azeem | SkareCrow: "ATI Radeon cards up to X800 series" includes the Radeon 9200 I believe |
| 19:16.58 | SkareCrow | hark: "Other Cards"? Being "not supported", meaning if my card isnt supported I need XGL... If it is supported I do not need XGL? |
| 19:17.28 | hark | SkareCrow: yes |
| 19:17.29 | azeem | SkareCrow: did you even do "grep AIGLX /var/log/X*log" |
| 19:17.52 | hark | SkareCrow: really now, your card *is* supported |
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| 19:17.59 | rockzman | Can someone help me with my VIA Chipset? |
| 19:18.14 | SkareCrow | So I can install Compiz no problem? |
| 19:18.26 | SkareCrow | Without XGL |
| 19:18.28 | azeem | SkareCrow: run "glxinfo | grep direct" |
| 19:18.38 | azeem | SkareCrow: NOBODY runs compiz with XGL these days |
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| 19:18.40 | azeem | accept it |
| 19:18.52 | jelly | SkareCrow: I think that particular card is not good enough for compiz with or without XGL |
| 19:18.58 | SkareCrow | glxinfo command not found |
| 19:18.59 | xjkx | i need to print in black only, how do i tell cups about that? |
| 19:19.17 | jelly | azeem: ORLY? |
| 19:19.19 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 19:19.22 | hramrach | jelly: Why wouldn't? |
| 19:19.26 | h3sp4wn | users of SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop definately use XGL |
| 19:19.49 | jelly | hramrach: well, that was my experience while I still had one |
| 19:19.53 | hramrach | jelly: it can render the effects quite fast. Much faster than the main cpu redraws firefox |
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| 19:20.14 | hramrach | jelly: maybe mesa improved since then |
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| 19:20.23 | azeem | SkareCrow: so install mesa-utils |
| 19:20.41 | pa7iQ | how can I install nslookup and resolveip ? |
| 19:20.44 | jelly | hramrach: quite possible |
| 19:20.52 | azeem | jelly: things are going much better since I upgraded to current testing, I admit |
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| 19:21.23 | DustyDingo | could anyone think of a save methode to store the password of a luks encrypted device for a reboot, so automatic remounting works on a reboot? |
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| 19:21.29 | SkareCrow | direct rendering: No |
| 19:21.45 | hark | pa7iQ: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:21.55 | dghdfh | liable you there ? I have the ping output |
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| 19:22.04 | hark | SkareCrow: do you have xorg installed? |
| 19:22.09 | SkareCrow | i belive |
| 19:22.10 | jelly | azeem: well, a RV280 is much better than your card, so I guess it ought to work |
| 19:22.19 | azeem | SkareCrow: what version of Debian? |
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| 19:22.21 | hark | dghdfh: it's way past his bedtime ;) |
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| 19:22.32 | azeem | SkareCrow: what X driver (radeon or flgrx)? |
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| 19:22.36 | SkareCrow | azeem Etch 4.0 |
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| 19:22.43 | SkareCrow | azeem: fglrx |
| 19:22.57 | SkareCrow | flgrx |
| 19:22.58 | azeem | SkareCrow: pfft |
| 19:23.00 | hark | SkareCrow: really? |
| 19:23.01 | pa7iQ | hark: thanks I ask him |
| 19:23.09 | azeem | SkareCrow: how did you install it? |
| 19:23.17 | SkareCrow | how did I install the driver? |
| 19:23.24 | azeem | SkareCrow: I don't think compiz works with the fglrx driver |
| 19:23.26 | azeem | SkareCrow: yes |
| 19:23.37 | hark | pa7iQ: it's dnutils for nslookup, search for the other |
| 19:23.40 | jelly | SkareCrow: a 9200 is well suported with free drivers, you'll need to remove all parts of fglrx. |
| 19:23.42 | SkareCrow | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 19:23.44 | dghdfh | hark we was trying to get my laptop connected to the internt through an internet cafes netwrok |
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| 19:24.04 | DustyDingo | it could work if i dump it into the video ram and try to get it back on reboot, so the password is only gone when the box has no power at all |
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| 19:24.32 | dghdfh | hark maybe you can help ? |
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| 19:25.39 | dghdfh | we reached the point of pining for the network . this is the output http://paste.debian.net/35899 |
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| 19:26.18 | hark | dghdfh: well, i'm about to leave myself.. now that SkareCrow's using fglrx.. |
| 19:26.37 | dghdfh | ok laters |
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| 19:26.59 | SkareCrow | why is that a bad thing? |
| 19:27.22 | SkareCrow | was reading tutorials on how to install Compiz + XGL and everything said to install the fglrx driver |
| 19:27.57 | azeem | because XGL needs fglrx |
| 19:27.58 | Zizzling | I have a question and possibly a request. Try using update-rc.d and try to make it only remove and then add the symlinks for a server. Not using remove that will remove the main server script in initd. If someone uses remove the scripts will be installed in an "activated" mode and the server will start upon reboot which feels insecure to me. Please give some input on this. I was thinking that maybe chkconfig can be added to the repo |
| 19:27.58 | Zizzling | s ? |
| 19:28.14 | SkareCrow | but what if i want to run XGL? |
| 19:28.16 | azeem | SkareCrow: but compiz doesn't need XGL, and is fine with radeon/AIGLX |
| 19:28.17 | trebor_win | what happens if i compile a new mesa-lib? does it replace my working nvidea-driver. i would like keep using nvidea and add glx-support to xvnc. is that possible? |
| 19:28.27 | SkareCrow | so i can just install Compiz right now |
| 19:28.30 | azeem | SkareCrow: then you're screwed on Debian, because it isn't supported |
| 19:29.05 | SkareCrow | it isnt supported but i can compile it from source, was just looking for someone that might have done all that already and made a debian package from it or something |
| 19:29.22 | Zizzling | Edit -> If someone uses remove the scripts will be installed in an "activated" mode if the server software is updated |
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| 19:29.44 | azeem | SkareCrow: no, nobody would admit that I guess |
| 19:30.00 | SkareCrow | there are alot but they are all for i386 |
| 19:30.07 | jelly | SkareCrow: i386 is perfectly fine |
| 19:30.08 | azeem | what are you running |
| 19:30.13 | spq | i have a local debian mirror with some patched packages and special kernel images, how can i make sure that the patched packages are used instead of the unpatched original debian packages? |
| 19:30.14 | jelly | :-) |
| 19:30.16 | SkareCrow | amd64 |
| 19:30.22 | azeem | *shrug* |
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| 19:30.51 | lontra | spq: pinning ... i think |
| 19:30.57 | spq | pinning...? |
| 19:31.03 | lontra | !pinning |
| 19:31.03 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
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| 19:31.26 | spq | o_O |
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| 19:31.51 | Zizzling | With what console command do you "casually turn on and off a service" in Debian ? |
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| 19:32.07 | Zizzling | service meaning server process |
| 19:32.07 | lontra | spq: maybe not ... unless you can set a higher priority for the packages coming from your repos or use a higher number when naming them |
| 19:32.55 | lontra | spq: i bet you can use pinning ... i used it for backports it should work the same way |
| 19:33.37 | Supaplex|roaming | Zizzling: /etc/init.d/<svc> <action> |
| 19:33.41 | trebor_win | can i compile/configure xvnc to use mesa, but the nvidea driver to stay enabled? |
| 19:34.03 | Zizzling | Ps: semi nice with the sis.. Sweden, Finland, Denmark etc discarding the malicious voters ;) |
| 19:34.15 | trebor_win | i mean everything except xvnc to use the nvidea driver, but xvnc to use mesa? |
| 19:34.52 | hramrach | trebor_win: glx probably does not even support glx at all, have you read about stuff it can do? |
| 19:35.04 | Zizzling | Supaplex|roaming: but thats not working after a reboot. I need to know the cmd for setting init to boot the server after a reboot...? |
| 19:35.24 | hramrach | trebor_win: what would you want it for anyway? It would be *very* *slow* |
| 19:35.38 | unlink | why might my computer be beeping every ~2 seconds? |
| 19:35.56 | hramrach | *xvnc does not suttport glx |
| 19:36.12 | unlink | it doesn't correlate with anything in the logs |
| 19:36.14 | trebor_win | hramrach: some software does need glx. i read that xvnc would support glx. |
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| 19:36.20 | Zizzling | Supaplex|roaming: "update-rc.d remove process" is hazardouz because itll replace and activate the server at the next upgrade your server gets... the manpage options doesnt seem to be working either |
| 19:36.23 | Supaplex|roaming | Zizzling: update-rc.d |
| 19:36.24 | benjamindees | unlink, temperature/ failed fan |
| 19:36.29 | PWizard | greets |
| 19:36.37 | hramrach | unlink: something like temperature alaram? |
| 19:36.42 | sphear1 | yo, how do I stop cron from sending emails? |
| 19:36.57 | unlink | the fans seem to be operating |
| 19:36.58 | hramrach | trebor_win: install it in chroot then :) |
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| 19:37.30 | Supaplex|roaming | Zizzling: there's a policy for this. I don't recall the name of the resource. try locate policy. I'll investigate on my other box |
| 19:37.39 | PWizard | I'm running apt-proxy on my workstation, and in a chroot I'm trying to run debootstrap to pull down a sarge i386 setup. debootstrap fails with: "E: Failed getting release file http://127.0.0.1:9999/debian/dists/sarge/Release" |
| 19:37.51 | hramrach | unlink: sometimes the sensors go bad. Or they detect a fan that ain't there. or you put something on your keyboard :) |
| 19:37.54 | patrick-- | Hey, my Proftpd keeps dropping ftp connections or even refusing them making me have to have a couple of connects before even beeing able to access the server.. |
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| 19:37.57 | Zizzling | Supaplex|roaming: If you can help ill code this better |
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| 19:38.01 | patrick-- | and idea what could cause this? |
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| 19:38.22 | sphear1 | 0 1 * * * <stuff> >/dev/null 2>&1 -- this is still sending emails. any help with the syntax? |
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| 19:38.28 | unlink | hramrach: i'ts a low, soft beep, not like ^G |
| 19:38.34 | PWizard | Any idea why it would suddenly start failing like that? |
| 19:38.56 | hramrach | unlink: is it from the speaker or from soundcard? |
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| 19:39.09 | Zizzling | Supaplex|roaming: All my apps currently has a note attached that urges the packagers of deb dists to figure out a better cmd. I spent alot of time and had to give up. |
| 19:39.11 | trebor_win | hramrach: on one machine a student was able to install vnc4-4.1.1 + x4.3 which works with vnc. |
| 19:39.24 | trebor_win | s/with vnc/with mesa |
| 19:39.39 | Zizzling | Supaplex|roaming: alot of time with update-rc.d that is |
| 19:39.45 | abrotman | sphear1: you can set the MAILTO to nobody |
| 19:39.47 | trebor_win | but the student is not available anymore :-| |
| 19:39.51 | unlink | hramrach: it's not coming through the speakers |
| 19:40.03 | unlink | hramrach: i don't know if there's a speaker on the sound card itself, but it's coming from the tower |
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| 19:40.15 | Supaplex|roaming | Zizzling: yea, I know what you mean. I have notes on this issue, but they're not with me. I'm still looking |
| 19:40.21 | hramrach | unlink: does it go away when you unload the pcspkr module? |
| 19:40.24 | sphear1 | abrotman, do I have to set that for each line or is it a global thing? Where do I set it? |
| 19:40.51 | polishkoop | I'm trying to install debian etch with the net install, but when it attempts to recognize my cd-rom, it fails to do so. It's sata and I figure that may have something to do with it. How do I fix this? |
| 19:41.02 | unlink | hramrach: yes |
| 19:41.31 | Zizzling | Supaplex|roaming: If someone doesnt see how this script is insecure and needs modifications im sure that one needs a new pair of specs :) |
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| 19:41.40 | hramrach | unlink: then there is some program doing that |
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| 19:42.27 | Supaplex|roaming | Zizzling: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
| 19:42.39 | unlink | hramrach: hmm, stopping gdm caused it to stop beeping |
| 19:42.50 | Zizzling | Supaplex|roaming: Any better then the manpage in current etch ? |
| 19:43.02 | abrotman | sphear1: you mean in a cron table ? |
| 19:43.02 | Supaplex|roaming | unlink: flat liner huh? ;) |
| 19:43.03 | unlink | hramrach: it's the same beep gdm makes when it starts, too |
| 19:43.14 | unlink | Supaplex|roaming: it could have been an X program though |
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| 19:43.35 | fr3ak | hey folks check this pastebin im tryin to install unichrome driver http://pastebin.com/m24ff0de |
| 19:43.43 | abrotman | sphear1: at the top of the cron file MAILTO=nobody .. it will send the mail to the bitbucket |
| 19:43.46 | sphear1 | abrotman: yeah, crontab |
| 19:43.53 | abrotman | sphear1: but if something is wrong .. you won't know |
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| 19:44.28 | sphear1 | abrotman: it only does webalizer. my backup scripts mail me if it breaks anyway :-) |
| 19:44.36 | hramrach | trebor_win: do you know what is chroot? |
| 19:44.36 | abrotman | uhm ok |
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| 19:44.50 | N`Kr1pt | how can I fully reinstall apache2? |
| 19:44.51 | Zizzling | abrotman: given nobody has no spool directory right ? |
| 19:44.58 | N`Kr1pt | i did apt-get remove apache2 |
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| 19:45.07 | N`Kr1pt | after that I removed everything under /etc/apache2 |
| 19:45.12 | abrotman | Zizzling: no .. nobody always goes to /dev/null AFAIK |
| 19:45.23 | N`Kr1pt | now I did apt-get install apache2, but /etc/apache2 is still empty? |
| 19:45.32 | Zizzling | abrotman: ah, its got a /dev/null shell.. nice! |
| 19:45.33 | abrotman | Zizzling: i could be wrong .. |
| 19:45.53 | Zizzling | abrotman: Im thinking you shouldnt have to be |
| 19:46.33 | Zizzling | abrotman: /dev/null seems to be the most logic shell for a user wo any privs |
| 19:46.40 | hramrach | trebor_win: If not, try reading on installing debian from another unix sytem in the installation manual |
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| 19:46.42 | abrotman | it's not its shell |
| 19:47.11 | Zizzling | same as /bin/false... its a shell if you stick it in /etc/shells though ;) |
| 19:47.27 | Zizzling | Blindshell |
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| 19:48.22 | karsten | Zizzling: There's also the new, improved, user-friendly GUI wrapper for /bin/true / /bin/false |
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| 19:49.23 | Zizzling | karsten: who needs a gui for that.. one wonders ? |
| 19:49.40 | bball_ | how do I build a kernel with debug symbols using make-kpkg ? |
| 19:49.44 | karsten | Zizzling: It's a gag joke. |
| 19:50.37 | mesof | does anyone here use linuxtrade or cmus? |
| 19:50.51 | devicenull | is there a way to disable a specific peice of hardware? I'm using powertop.. and my modem (which will never be used), is one of the top things generating interrputs |
| 19:50.53 | Zizzling | karsten: Ah, so.. read the manpage for "update-rc.d" test it. Your mission will be to add and remove symlinks from one or more runlevels (Cant do it) |
| 19:51.00 | abrotman | devicenull: BIOS ? |
| 19:51.06 | devicenull | nope |
| 19:51.08 | abrotman | unplug it ? |
| 19:51.16 | devicenull | its integrated with the NIC, I think |
| 19:51.17 | trebor_win | hramrach: you got me ;). i only have a dim glue about chroot. |
| 19:51.21 | devicenull | though.. I'll have to check |
| 19:51.22 | abrotman | devicenull: snip the wires? :) |
| 19:51.43 | abrotman | devicenull: is linux loading am odule for it ? |
| 19:51.43 | devicenull | lol |
| 19:52.05 | devicenull | not thast I can see |
| 19:52.10 | Zizzling | karsten: You cant use "remove" because any updated servers after that will add a new startup script and i feel this could be improved somewhat. |
| 19:52.12 | devicenull | I disabled linux telephony support too |
| 19:52.27 | trebor_win | i admit, that i hoped i could compile xvnc-sources to use mesa and not to affect the rest of the system. |
| 19:52.37 | abrotman | devicenull: so it's a hardware interrupt ? not a kernel one ? |
| 19:52.56 | hramrach | trebor_win: installation inside chroot does not affect the rest of the system |
| 19:53.07 | devicenull | I'm not really sure |
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| 19:53.26 | abrotman | and you're sure you can't turn it off in the bios ? |
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| 19:53.42 | N`Kr1pt | I don't get it, dpkg -l apache2 says purged and not installed. |
| 19:53.49 | N`Kr1pt | /etc/apache2 doesn't exist anymore |
| 19:53.50 | oomph | i keep getting a perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
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| 19:53.57 | oomph | anyone know how to correct it? |
| 19:53.59 | devicenull | I need to figure out what powertop actually displays |
| 19:54.01 | abrotman | N`Kr1pt: apache2.2-common ? |
| 19:54.02 | N`Kr1pt | and why I try apt-get install apache2, /etc/apache2 i not created |
| 19:54.07 | polishkoop | If I try booting up a full debian etch cd instead of the net install, would there be a chance my cd rom will be detected during the installation? |
| 19:54.17 | devicenull | let me see if I can remove the modem physically though |
| 19:54.18 | oomph | its when i try and install from apt |
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| 19:55.35 | devicenull | removing it would require taking a large part of the latop apart |
| 19:55.39 | Zizzling | This is new: dcraw - command-line decoder for raw digital photos |
| 19:55.40 | devicenull | I wonder if there are bios updates |
| 19:55.41 | N`Kr1pt | k thx abrotman |
| 19:56.05 | abrotman | uhm .. he didn't get everything he's likely to need |
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| 19:56.15 | abrotman | Zizzling: it's rough |
| 19:56.40 | Zizzling | The functions that process Foveon images have been RESTRICTED |
| 19:56.40 | Zizzling | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.40 | abrotman | devicenull: maybe there's an option to the kernel to disable a certain PCI ID ? |
| 19:57.07 | devicenull | hm, that might be a good place to look |
| 19:57.35 | Zizzling | abrotman: Yeah, tell me about it -> #include <winsock2.h> |
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| 19:58.13 | trebor_win | hramrach: do i need to put all build-tools into $newroot? |
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| 19:58.38 | Zizzling | abrotman: An image converter using the net, lol :) |
| 19:58.47 | abrotman | ew |
| 19:59.13 | karsten | Zizzling: http://www.sourcefiles.org/Utilities/GUI/gtrue-0.1.2.tar.gz.shtml |
| 19:59.20 | karsten | Zizzling: And you mis-nicked abvoe. |
| 19:59.21 | trebor_win | hramrach: if so - do symbolic links work, too? |
| 19:59.30 | Zizzling | indeed... just updated one of my fedorkian boxes and its there. Same as Beagle.exe |
| 20:00.01 | karsten | Zizzling: "fedorkian" |
| 20:00.21 | Zizzling | <Zizzling> karsten:... ? i didnt misnick. what do you mean ? |
| 20:00.25 | karsten | Zizzling: Is that the new RH distro for terminally ill patients? |
| 20:00.30 | karsten | 12:52 < Zizzling> karsten: You cant use "remove" because any updated servers |
| 20:00.41 | devicenull | found the name of the drigve |
| 20:00.43 | devicenull | *driver |
| 20:00.43 | Zizzling | karsten: Phat broken core better ? / im just jokin |
| 20:01.00 | abrotman | devicenull: so iti s loading a driver ? |
| 20:01.08 | devicenull | apparently |
| 20:01.11 | devicenull | I'm rebooting now |
| 20:01.16 | abrotman | did you blacklist it ? |
| 20:01.30 | devicenull | once I actually reboot, yes :p |
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| 20:01.34 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:02.20 | Zizzling | karsten: misnicked ? Ah, thought youre getting in on our discussion with "<karsten> Zizzling: There's also the new, improved, user-friendly GUI wrapper for /bin/true / /bin/false" |
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| 20:02.41 | Zizzling | :) |
| 20:02.45 | hramrach | trebor_win: I tried installing the debian vnc4server package and run the server |
| 20:03.14 | hramrach | running glxinfo on it reports indirect rendering so it supports some glx |
| 20:03.24 | Zizzling | karsten: Btw, a '/' shell isnt a very good ideea :P |
| 20:03.27 | abrotman | that's not saying much |
| 20:03.30 | Zizzling | joking you know |
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| 20:03.35 | abrotman | not you |
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| 20:03.51 | Zizzling | was talking with karsten |
| 20:03.59 | hramrach | trebor_win: if your does not it is probably because something else is broken. |
| 20:04.28 | devicenull | yep |
| 20:04.29 | devicenull | thanks |
| 20:04.50 | hramrach | trebor_win: so you will not need dev tools, just the x server and the application to test. symlinks won't work, hardlinks will |
| 20:05.14 | Zizzling | anyhow.. i wish more people took a look at and perhaps corrected the update-rc.d script and or manpage (It doesnt work from all the testings ive done) |
| 20:05.52 | jair | anyone here is familiar with ddclient? and zoneedit? |
| 20:05.54 | jair | I am trying to understand why my ddclient keeps updating the zone I have in zoneedit with the private IP instead using the external dynamic IP? |
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| 20:06.23 | hramrach | trebor_win: but the whole point of chroot here is that you can install a small system from scratch without affecting the current system or rebooting |
| 20:06.26 | jair | abrotman: have you ever configure this service? or similar like dyndns? |
| 20:06.38 | abrotman | nope |
| 20:06.47 | jair | abrotman: ok thank you |
| 20:06.59 | hramrach | trebor_win: which should be described in the installation manual I hope |
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| 20:07.40 | xjkx | what software i use to check how much full are my cards of printer |
| 20:07.54 | Zizzling | karsten: are you testing it ? You want to disable a server from starting at boot and then set a server to start at boot wo removing the actual initscript (just the symlinks to it) |
| 20:08.06 | hramrach | xjkx: depends on the brand of your printer |
| 20:08.22 | xjkx | hramrach: i have a epson stylus c85 and a hp deskjet 640c |
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| 20:09.33 | hramrach | xjkx: there should be tools for hp. not sure about epson. try looking at linuxprinting.org. |
| 20:09.34 | Zizzling | fedora has "chkconfig" and it works ok. Maybe it could be added to Debian after undergoing some quality testings ? |
| 20:09.37 | nvz | Zizzling: update-rc.d doesn't touch symlinks at all |
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| 20:09.55 | hramrach | xjkx: They have good info although a bit outdated in some cases |
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| 20:10.17 | xjkx | hramrach: i dont have that much nice english, whats the name of what i am looking for? |
| 20:10.19 | xjkx | :> |
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| 20:10.31 | nvz | Zizzling: er I mean it doesnt touch the scripts at all |
| 20:10.33 | nvz | Zizzling: in fact you have to add a script to remove the links for a script that exists |
| 20:10.35 | Zizzling | nvz: the manpage suggests it should alter any runlevel the user wants |
| 20:10.42 | nvz | er a switch |
| 20:10.53 | nvz | Zizzling: yes it does |
| 20:10.58 | Zizzling | nvz: "man update-rc.d" |
| 20:11.02 | nvz | Zizzling: on a per program basis |
| 20:11.22 | nvz | Zizzling: I know the manpage, I'm just having trouble waking up and making sense |
| 20:11.31 | Zizzling | I see ;) |
| 20:11.47 | hramrach | xjkx: the hp driver is hpijs, and the gui is hplip iirc |
| 20:11.53 | Zizzling | Youre most welcome when you have woken up :P |
| 20:12.10 | nvz | Zizzling: heh, there is also something called rcconf |
| 20:12.14 | Zizzling | Might i suggest a few pints of coffee :=) |
| 20:12.22 | abrotman | less beer perhaps ? |
| 20:12.32 | xjkx | i have it working then cups handles the driver, then i have to download hplip to see the cards? |
| 20:12.44 | nvz | Zizzling: those are the only two utils I know of in debian, and they both suck IMO, but they get the job done |
| 20:12.49 | xjkx | also,did you mean hp 640 c is newer than epson stylus c85? |
| 20:13.05 | Zizzling | nvz: its of no use to those who wish to use console or make guis tho right ? (curses?) |
| 20:13.06 | nvz | and they definatly do not effect the init scripts |
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| 20:13.25 | nvz | Zizzling: rcconf is curses based IIRC |
| 20:13.29 | Zizzling | nvz: Yes, we need new ones |
| 20:13.31 | hramrach | xjkx: no, I mean the hplip only works for hp printers. It should show cartridge ink levels |
| 20:13.38 | abrotman | !qotd101 |
| 20:13.38 | dpkg | well, qotd101 is <nvz> abrotman: nope.. just wakin up and seeing Guerin thats all |
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| 20:14.11 | hramrach | xjkx: I do not know about epson. May be there is a tool but I haven't heared of one |
| 20:14.33 | xjkx | hramrach: but you said "depending on the brand of your printer" and then you picked hp, which i thought was older, they are not mine i just was wtf |
| 20:14.39 | xjkx | oh sure |
| 20:14.49 | Zizzling | abrotman: would it be uncool to add "chkconfig" to Debian as default ? |
| 20:14.59 | xjkx | installing the soft you said |
| 20:15.17 | nvz | Debian does virtually nothing by default |
| 20:15.35 | nvz | defaults are called stupid users in debian |
| 20:15.41 | Zizzling | abrotman: its ok c code from what i can remember |
| 20:16.16 | Zizzling | Text is on the screen, recipients see/? :=) |
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| 20:16.48 | xjkx | hramrach: i installed hplip but its just a library, see: hplip: /usr/lib/hplip /usr/share/hplip |
| 20:17.22 | hramrach | xjkx: it should have a gui tool |
| 20:17.44 | xjkx | these are the only ones shown in whereis hplip |
| 20:18.25 | \amethyst | xjkx: maybe hp-toolbox? |
| 20:18.38 | Zizzling | I like the updater etch has, very diffy and neat. Good work! |
| 20:18.58 | \amethyst | xjkx: try dpkg -L hplip | grep bin/ for a list of binaries in the package |
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| 20:19.10 | lontra | xjkx: hplip provides a lot more here than just libraries |
| 20:19.27 | Drevay | hey guys, i downloaded xmms2 but i can't figure out where debian put it |
| 20:19.37 | Drevay | i used synaptic |
| 20:19.38 | lontra | Drevay: /usr/bin |
| 20:19.40 | xjkx | its hp-toolbox :o but: error: PyQt not installed. GUI not available. Exiting. (then why isnt it a damn dependency?) |
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| 20:19.51 | Drevay | no i mean in the applications menu heh, sorry |
| 20:19.56 | hramrach | xjkx: for epson try "apt-cache search epson" |
| 20:19.58 | et | Drevay: xmms2 is probably not what you think it is |
| 20:20.02 | lontra | Drevay: you may need to add it |
| 20:20.03 | Drevay | oh |
| 20:20.19 | Zizzling | lontra: hplip is null modem->cellphone ? |
| 20:20.43 | Drevay | i thought it was a more updated version compared to xmms |
| 20:20.44 | hramrach | xjkx: there are some packages that look promising like escputil or mtink |
| 20:20.47 | Drevay | haha, guess not :) |
| 20:20.49 | lontra | Zizzling: huh? hplip is for hewlett packard printers |
| 20:21.12 | \amethyst | xjkx: hmm... python-qt3 is a dependency... |
| 20:21.14 | lontra | Drevay: XMMS2 is a redesign of the XMMS music player. |
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| 20:21.31 | xjkx | \amethyst: but when i ran apt-get install hplip it didnt install that |
| 20:21.40 | Zizzling | lontra: Interresting :) .. what can it do ? |
| 20:22.01 | lontra | Zizzling: open a terminal and type apt-cache show hplip :) |
| 20:22.03 | hramrach | Zizzling: crash :) |
| 20:22.17 | Drevay | lontra, ok |
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| 20:22.21 | lontra | hramrach: it's cause the version in debian is uber old |
| 20:22.23 | \amethyst | Drevay: you might want to look at gxmms2 or esperanza, to front-ends to xmms2 |
| 20:22.32 | Zizzling | lontra: nice, just checked it on the intarwebz.. neat! |
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| 20:22.47 | \amethyst | Drevay: if you want something that's more like xmms, I'd suggest beep-media-player or audacious |
| 20:23.04 | \amethyst | though the authors of audacious would probably glare at me if they heard me saying that |
| 20:23.24 | Drevay | ohhh ok |
| 20:23.29 | \amethyst | xjkx: what does dpkg -l python-qt3 say? |
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| 20:23.39 | Zizzling | lontra: Gestetner/Ricoh and HP's are still my favourite on OSS systems. |
| 20:23.51 | JordiGH | Hm, I found why my clocks were wrong despite telling the Debian installer that the clock wasn't in UTC. It's a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/39959 |
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| 20:24.37 | Zizzling | lontra: I hate that microsoft has put their evil stamp of "gold partner" on hp now (still good printers and code) |
| 20:24.44 | \amethyst | JordiGH: were you getting the same message about select() to /dev/rtc ? |
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| 20:25.20 | Zizzling | Would be sad if things went in my counterdirection :P |
| 20:25.31 | karsten | Zizzling: Look at the flipside: MSFT's "gold partner" is still an outstanding supporter of Linux. |
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| 20:26.10 | Zizzling | karsten: In what way ? .. they push ms closed formats daily ..? |
| 20:26.26 | karsten | Zizzling: In other news, The SCO Group was awarded MSFT's "Gunmetal Steel Blue Partner" status. |
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| 20:26.37 | karsten | Zizzling: Um. Check your local mirrors ;-) |
| 20:26.54 | karsten | Zizzling: A large part of Debian infrastructure is directly supported by HP. |
| 20:27.05 | Zizzling | karsten: You know they tried to pull shit on Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Portugal.... all the other EU countries (granted one isnt) |
| 20:27.39 | karsten | Zizzling: I'm not saying they're 100% golden through and through (from a Linux perspective), but "gold partner" to MSFT doesn't mean "linux hostile" by any means. |
| 20:28.17 | rbanff1 | Hi folks. What is the current Debian way to read iptables rules on boot? /etc/init.d/iptables is absent in my newest Debian box and the old one refers to files that no longer exist. Are there any docs I could refer to (couldn't find them on Google) |
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| 20:28.32 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Yep. |
| 20:29.02 | Braindead | rbanff1: use post-up in interfaces. man interfaces |
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| 20:29.08 | Drevay | hey guys, i've tried pretty much every media player, but i can't seem to get any imbedded video working - like on styleproject or ovguide |
| 20:29.15 | Drevay | i'm using totem-xine at the moment |
| 20:29.17 | Zizzling | karsten: A: Im always independent, i cannot accept anything else. I like HP and Gestetner. Those are the only things that work basically. Lexmark, Canon and the others have rotten drivers and some printers of theirs are loud, JAM and suck badly so i cant reccommend them |
| 20:29.23 | Drevay | i tried mplayer, vlc, gxine, etc. |
| 20:29.25 | karsten | Drevay: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 20:29.40 | karsten | Drevay: And what works/doesn't depends strongly on teh specific format in question. |
| 20:30.00 | karsten | Zizzling: HP aren't just printers. |
| 20:30.05 | \amethyst | Zizzling: I still like the Lexmark 4039, but it is loud, and definitely starting to show its age :) |
| 20:30.26 | Zizzling | karsten: Quite frankly i dont care what sponsors you have. Its not in my interrest. I like good code and good implementations that work with open standards |
| 20:30.35 | pickcoder | the PPDs actually work properly with CUPS |
| 20:30.44 | Zizzling | karsten: what else then ? |
| 20:31.08 | pickcoder | they are competing with Cisco on network stuff now |
| 20:31.23 | Drevay | karsten, i don't know how to properly ask dpkg for <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 20:31.25 | Drevay | :/ |
| 20:31.27 | Drevay | :S |
| 20:31.50 | karsten | Zizzling: More beer + pizza == more good code. |
| 20:32.03 | karsten | Drevay: /msg dpkg <factoid> |
| 20:32.07 | Zizzling | \amethyst: there are other crappy printers as well, i like gestetner best though and No... i could just as well said that i hate them but they work like clocks under massive pressure. |
| 20:32.13 | Drevay | ok |
| 20:32.25 | karsten | Drevay: /msg dpkg list *expression* to search factoids. |
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| 20:32.36 | Drevay | ok |
| 20:32.39 | Zizzling | karsten: ? You will fax me a pizza wont you :=) |
| 20:33.27 | karsten | Zizzling: Google linus virtual beer sometime. |
| 20:33.43 | karsten | Zizzling: And sure, I'll fax you a pizza, but you have to promise to 1) eat it and 2) clean my fax machine. |
| 20:33.44 | Zizzling | karsten: You dont know ;) |
| 20:33.47 | Drevay | i have the w32codecs if that's what you're wondering, karsten |
| 20:33.54 | Drevay | doesn't seem to work either way |
| 20:34.05 | Drevay | like downloading videos works just fine, but it's the imbedded that won't work |
| 20:34.06 | Zizzling | karsten: Lol! .. excellent! .. will do! :) |
| 20:34.18 | karsten | Drevay: Browser? |
| 20:34.25 | Drevay | iceweasel |
| 20:34.31 | karsten | Drevay: URL? |
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| 20:34.36 | rbanff1 | Hi folks. What is the current official Debian way to initialize iptables rules on boot? /etc/init.d/iptables is absent in my newest Debian box and the old one refers to files that no longer exist. Are there any docs I could refer to (couldn't find them on Google) |
| 20:34.39 | darkie33 | hi |
| 20:34.40 | Drevay | it's firefox for etch |
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| 20:34.56 | pickcoder | rbanff1: create a boot script or put them in /etc/rc.local |
| 20:34.58 | karsten | Drevay: URL you're trying to view. I know what iceweasel is. |
| 20:35.06 | Drevay | ohhh haha sorry, one sec |
| 20:35.16 | karsten | !tell rbanff1 about firewall |
| 20:35.18 | pickcoder | rbanff1: if you plan on taking them up and down for testing, then I'd recommend a boot init script |
| 20:35.29 | darkie33 | whenever i use any irc programs(gaim,ksirc,xchat) and join debian it says "cannot send to channel". why is that? |
| 20:35.40 | karsten | rbanff1: Alternatively use a FW builder tool like shorewall or mason. |
| 20:35.58 | Zizzling | karsten: You used windows when youre younger i assume. At what age did you see it went sour ? |
| 20:35.59 | rbanff1 | pickcoder: Isn't there a way like the old /etc/init.d/iptables that reads rules from /var/lib/iptables? |
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| 20:36.36 | Drevay | karsten, http://www.gamespot.com/video/920500/6157851/okami-video-review |
| 20:36.40 | pickcoder | rbanff1: man iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 20:36.58 | pickcoder | else you will need to create your own script to load/unload the rules |
| 20:36.58 | Drevay | it says there is no input plugin to handle this location or something or other |
| 20:37.52 | rbanff1 | karsten: FW building tools tend to make overly complex configurations. I prefer them simpler. |
| 20:38.00 | darkie33 | can somebody help me? |
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| 20:38.22 | rbanff1 | pickcoder: I am familiar with iptables-save and iptables-load, but I wanted something automatic |
| 20:38.40 | Zizzling | rbanff1: firestarter is pretty nice (They dont reply to mail though:( ) |
| 20:38.43 | karsten | Drevay: Sec |
| 20:38.49 | karsten | rbanff1: NP |
| 20:38.49 | Drevay | k :) |
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| 20:39.18 | Zizzling | dnssec |
| 20:39.19 | rbanff1 | pickcoder: What was so wrong with the /etc/init.d/iptables thingie that it's no longer supported? |
| 20:39.23 | pickcoder | rbanff1: so make an init script.. it's not that complicatedd |
| 20:39.31 | pickcoder | rbanff1: if it existed, I would have suggested it |
| 20:39.49 | rbanff1 | pickcoder: ? |
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| 20:40.29 | karsten | Drevay: Not sure. Try #firefox is my next suggestion. |
| 20:40.39 | Drevay | ok, thanks |
| 20:41.02 | pickcoder | rbanff1: I have not seen an iptables init script, or I would have suggested it |
| 20:41.07 | Zizzling | rbanff1: get "firestarter" |
| 20:41.19 | karsten | Drevay: That looks like a gaming site, I'd strongly suspect flash, seemed to want to run in a movie player. |
| 20:41.34 | Zizzling | Its ok, remember to disallow ICMP and etc |
| 20:41.43 | Drevay | karsten, did it run for you? |
| 20:41.51 | karsten | Drevay: no |
| 20:41.53 | Drevay | karsten, and some are flash, some are not |
| 20:41.56 | Drevay | karsten, oh ok |
| 20:42.08 | karsten | Drevay: I'm at work, games aren't necessarially appropriate. |
| 20:42.18 | Drevay | oh true |
| 20:42.19 | Drevay | :S |
| 20:42.28 | Zizzling | karsten: What are your findings on update-rc.d ? /horribly crappy and needs a sane replacement ? |
| 20:42.35 | pickcoder | karsten: no cube warfare? |
| 20:42.39 | karsten | Zizzling: Um. Why do you ask? |
| 20:42.46 | karsten | pickcoder: We use puddle-jumpers for that. |
| 20:42.52 | Zizzling | karsten: youre gonna test it. |
| 20:42.57 | h3sp4wn | Zizzling: use file-rc then |
| 20:43.00 | karsten | Zizzling: News to me. |
| 20:43.10 | lontra | anyone know if iceape comes w/ a calendar program like sunbird? |
| 20:43.44 | karsten | lontra: iceowl-extension? |
| 20:44.04 | lontra | karsten: but is something analogous to that included in the iceape suite? |
| 20:44.07 | karsten | lontra: ... or iceape-calendar. 'apt-cache search mozilla calendar' |
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| 20:44.43 | CreativeOne | Hello |
| 20:44.53 | CreativeOne | how do i get /dev/fd0 to automount when I cd in /media/floppy for example? |
| 20:44.56 | mmlj4 | lontra: you can install the lightning plugin |
| 20:44.58 | lontra | karsten: also do you think iceape would have a smaller front print than iceweasel/icedove/iceowl? |
| 20:44.59 | Zizzling | karsten: Do you think itd be good to have good upstream releases that you dont have to diff so much ? |
| 20:44.59 | CreativeOne | my fstab has the "auto line on it. |
| 20:45.06 | karsten | CreativeOne: With an aoutmounter. |
| 20:45.12 | lontra | s front/foot |
| 20:45.15 | CreativeOne | karsten: such as autofs? |
| 20:45.19 | karsten | Zizzling: Why do you ask? |
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| 20:45.42 | karsten | CreativeOne: Such as. |
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| 20:45.46 | CreativeOne | thank you. |
| 20:45.47 | Zizzling | karsten: I have that position to make that choise given better alternatives |
| 20:46.23 | karsten | CreativeOne: Personally, we use automounters extensively at work, I find them a PITA, and prefer just issuing manual mounts. Most desktop interfaces (GNOME/KDE) have handlers for same, I think. |
| 20:46.24 | Zizzling | karsten: Granted i have many positions :) |
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| 20:46.37 | CreativeOne | karsten: ok |
| 20:47.03 | karsten | Zizzling: Any _particular_ reason you're tossing these somewhat vaguely constructed questions at me? |
| 20:47.31 | Zizzling | karsten: Youre in the Arch ? |
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| 20:47.45 | abrotman | gnome uses its own auto magic mounter AFAIK |
| 20:47.57 | karsten | Zizzling: Really? |
| 20:48.11 | Zizzling | udev+inotify+pmount |
| 20:49.11 | Zizzling | karsten: Im oss at all times so it doesnt matter. |
| 20:49.39 | karsten | Zizzling: I'm afraid I really haven't the foggiest idea of what you're trying to say. |
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| 20:50.13 | CreativeOne | dude |
| 20:50.30 | CreativeOne | like gnome nautilus is not automounting floppy when I cd in /media/floppy |
| 20:50.42 | CreativeOne | this is my fstab line for fd0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 20:50.53 | CreativeOne | hald is running. |
| 20:51.11 | karsten | CreativeOne: That would seem to be 1) a vital piece of previously undisclosed information on your part and 2) possibly a good question for #gnome. |
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| 20:51.45 | pickcoder | I didn't know floppy insertion automagically caused a mount to happen |
| 20:51.46 | Zizzling | Test what i asked, your task is to enable and then disable any server at boot time using any script or program in Debian without removing the real and original init script (itll then be written to boot again when a server is updated/reinstalled) |
| 20:51.57 | Zizzling | karsten^^ |
| 20:52.04 | abrotman | pickcoder: normally doesn't |
| 20:52.11 | pickcoder | </sarcasm> |
| 20:52.19 | rbanff1 | Zizzling: I don't want to have to install a GUI in order to run firestarter |
| 20:52.26 | pickcoder | CreativeOne: try using the Gnome icons to open the floppy |
| 20:52.27 | karsten | Zizzling: My task on what authority? |
| 20:52.31 | Zizzling | karsten: not about any of gnome vs kde etc... test and suggest |
| 20:52.32 | pickcoder | then look in your shell |
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| 20:53.18 | pickcoder | I have a combo media-reader + floppy and card insertion doesn't cause an automount either |
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| 20:53.23 | Zizzling | rbanff1: www.freshmeat.net choose the most active project that has many subscribers and a good trackrecord |
| 20:53.33 | pickcoder | even with the usbmount tools |
| 20:53.37 | rbanff1 | pickcoder: A friend of mine said /etc/init.d/iptables was considered evil. It's a shame because it was _very_ convenient. |
| 20:53.45 | Zizzling | karsten: Im asking you... |
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| 20:54.03 | karsten | Zizzling: EINSUFFICIENTPRIV |
| 20:54.13 | pickcoder | rbanff1: I don't see how it's evil, since all firewall tools do the same thing |
| 20:54.30 | pickcoder | I wouldn't stuff my rules in a public file, though |
| 20:54.36 | Zizzling | karsten: Test it, if im right in my research ill fix it |
| 20:54.55 | karsten | Zizzling: 1) Not my job. 2) You're not my boss. 3) That's rude. 4) No. |
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| 20:55.06 | Zizzling | karsten: Hp ? |
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| 20:56.13 | Zizzling | I dont want to talk to hp or anything.. i hope we are building the best possible damn system ever! |
| 20:57.13 | Zizzling | karsten: you want money to do a good job and have no care elsewhere ? |
| 20:57.31 | Zizzling | No care in coding a good thing etc ? |
| 20:57.47 | Zizzling | BLĂ„! |
| 20:58.00 | Zizzling | Means -> Ouch |
| 20:58.09 | pickcoder | Zizzling: do you have a related question? |
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| 20:58.22 | nex- | i think hes drunk or something.. |
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| 20:58.45 | Zizzling | pickcoder: regarding update-rc.d and it not working, yes |
| 20:58.53 | pickcoder | works for me |
| 20:58.58 | pickcoder | but I also use sysv-rc-conf |
| 20:59.05 | Zizzling | nex: hi trolltech :P |
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| 21:00.03 | Zizzling | nex: k3b is nice though.. dont you think ? |
| 21:00.53 | nex- | yupp, its awsome |
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| 21:02.27 | Zizzling | nex-: it is indeed. (I dislike the unnessesary commersial to be popup field though:) .. |
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| 21:03.34 | abrotman | Zizzling: do you have a debian question ? |
| 21:04.06 | Zizzling | pickcoder: Im trying to code for Debian as always. My latest projects are at www.gadmintools.org i feel i need help with the runlevel commands used to turn on and off server at boot |
| 21:04.22 | Zizzling | I think so.. if im allowed abrotman ? |
| 21:04.55 | pickcoder | !runlevels |
| 21:04.55 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
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| 21:05.21 | rc-1 | is it possible to dist-upgrade from kubuntu to debian? |
| 21:05.44 | rc-1 | after putting debian repos in sources.list |
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| 21:06.20 | Braindead | rc-1: it's a bloodbath |
| 21:06.20 | Zizzling | "man update-rc.d" isnt working, its a security hazard in that the runlevel symlinks wont be added and removed properly (please check it and report) |
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| 21:06.50 | \amethyst | Zizzling: what command are you using? |
| 21:06.54 | Zizzling | Im testing it on etch btw |
| 21:07.12 | Zizzling | thanks for asking, w8... checking the code |
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| 21:09.00 | karsten | rc-1: Yes. |
| 21:09.07 | karsten | rc-1: Reformat your HD. |
| 21:09.14 | karsten | rc-1: ... install Debian. |
| 21:09.40 | Zizzling | \amethyst: on debian i have "SYSINIT_START_CMD set to "update-rc.d -f samba defaults" and to remove its SYSINIT_STOP_CMD="update-rc.d -f samba remove" <- thats the problem because the removal of runlevel symlinks doesnt work |
| 21:09.50 | karsten | rc-1: Otherwise: no, the packages and distros are not compatible or migrateable in any supported fashion, either way. |
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| 21:10.47 | \amethyst | Zizzling: You should be setting it to stop and not using remove |
| 21:10.49 | mesof | can bsdutils be safely removed? |
| 21:11.02 | Zizzling | \amethyst: It may be that Daniel Baumann (my Debian packager) has changed this appropriately for your dist but i cannot see how |
| 21:11.22 | karsten | mesof: No. |
| 21:11.30 | mesof | karsten: how come? |
| 21:11.49 | karsten | mesof: Read the package description |
| 21:11.50 | Braindead | how come you wanna take bsdutils out, that's the question |
| 21:12.05 | mesof | just didn't think i need it |
| 21:12.15 | pickcoder | 'update-rc.d remove' should only be used for the postrm script |
| 21:13.08 | karsten | mesof: Debian's dependency relationships should be able to answer questions like that for you. Packages which are 'required' (as is bsdutils) can't be removed without causing a world of hurt. |
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| 21:13.16 | Zizzling | pickcoder: yes, test the script and see theres no way to add and remove the symlinks in any level using the inly console script there is -> update-rc.d |
| 21:13.20 | karsten | mesof: Suggest you check before asking that sort of question again. |
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| 21:13.34 | mesof | karsten: when or how can i check? |
| 21:13.48 | Braindead | mesof: This package contains the bare minimum number of BSD utilities needed to boot a |
| 21:13.48 | Zizzling | pickcoder: inly/only (sorry) |
| 21:13.51 | Braindead | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.55 | Braindead | mesof: that's a good start |
| 21:14.11 | Braindead | Priority: required also is a sign you shouldn't mess with it |
| 21:14.12 | karsten | mesof: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
| 21:14.29 | karsten | mesof: man aptitude dpkg dpkg-query |
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| 21:15.34 | Zizzling | pickcoder: I have worked on this set of admin-apps since 1997 so i want them to work flawlessly if i can. |
| 21:16.11 | phrowzen | can someone help me with these problems? fresh install of deb-stable.. "W: GPG error: http://debian.yorku.ca etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: Unknown error executing gpgv W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 21:16.20 | Zizzling | Otherwise ill have to reinvent a runleveleditor :( |
| 21:16.32 | phrowzen | thats when running apt-get update (i removed cdrom from my sources.lst) |
| 21:16.36 | Zizzling | Itll take a few minutes heh |
| 21:16.48 | \amethyst | Zizzling: update-rc.d -f samba defaults and update-rc.d -f samba remove both work on my sid machine, and on my etch chroot |
| 21:16.49 | streuner | phrowzen: /topic |
| 21:16.59 | abrotman | streuner: different error |
| 21:17.11 | phrowzen | streuner: is that the no public key your referring to? i thought so too, i msged but it didnt look like the same thing |
| 21:17.19 | \amethyst | Zizzling: what is this SYSINIT_START_CMD? |
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| 21:17.33 | streuner | phrowzen: do you have gpg installed? |
| 21:17.38 | phrowzen | yessir |
| 21:17.54 | Zizzling | \amethyst: Yes, but now apt-get remove samba then install it (just like an update would) Itll init samba at boot! |
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| 21:18.21 | streuner | phrowzen: show us the whole error in pasterbot (/msg dpkg paste), plus your sources.list |
| 21:18.24 | streuner | phrowzen: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 21:18.26 | phrowzen | okay |
| 21:18.42 | Zizzling | \amethyst: the packages will add a new start script if none is precent as in (remove will remove the base sysv script) |
| 21:18.46 | abrotman | phrowzen: can you run gpgv manually ? |
| 21:18.56 | Zizzling | present |
| 21:19.44 | Zizzling | \amethyst: If the debian script works nicely i can alter the upstreams |
| 21:19.57 | phrowzen | http://paste.debian.net/35920 |
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| 21:22.04 | karsten | phrowzen: /topic |
| 21:22.08 | Zizzling | \amethyst: ill be out for 3-5 minutes, keep in touch.. |
| 21:22.16 | Yorgo | how can i check if bios can detect my hard disk? |
| 21:22.40 | phrowzen | Yorgo: enter your bios and check IDE/SATA config |
| 21:22.55 | phrowzen | karsten: regarding 'no public key'? ill check it again, i just wasnt sure thats the same issue i was having |
| 21:23.49 | mesof | seriously, how do i disable dpms turning the monitor off, or whatever this screensaver is |
| 21:23.56 | pickcoder | phrowzen: are you using a recent install ISO? |
| 21:24.06 | mesof | xset dpms 0 999 0 is as high as i can go? |
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| 21:24.50 | phrowzen | pickcoder: http://debian.yorku.ca/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso downloaded about 3h ago, installed well, about 3h ago |
| 21:25.30 | streuner | phrowzen: what happens if you use a different mirror? |
| 21:25.57 | karsten | phrowzen: Hrm. Check that GPG's installed, as streuner suggested. Might try running gpgv yourself, you can also list the apt GPG keyring and see if there's anything odd about that key. |
| 21:26.00 | pickcoder | Zizzling: update-rc.d does not remove the script from /etc/init.d |
| 21:26.11 | pickcoder | maybe you have a postrm script that is doing that |
| 21:26.14 | Zizzling | Re! |
| 21:26.28 | pickcoder | I just tested it on an existing init.d here |
| 21:26.30 | pickcoder | on Etch |
| 21:26.31 | phrowzen | streuner: hmm i could try that, do i just replace the http field with the address of another mirror, simple as that? the other fields are the same im guessing? |
| 21:27.03 | phrowzen | karsten: well, i tried running gpgv myself (check the debian.net paste from above if ya like) and it gives me a general error regarding my trustedkeys.gpg file |
| 21:27.10 | streuner | phrowzen: ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 21:27.47 | Zizzling | pickcoder: No, try this: "update-rc.d -f samba remove" Itll remove the base script and so any concurrent update will replace it saying "ok, ill start this server" and replacing or ading any symlinks |
| 21:27.56 | karsten | phrowzen: Yeah, catching up. |
| 21:27.58 | phrowzen | streuner: so switch it to ftp protocol too i guess? k ill give that a shot |
| 21:28.06 | Yorgo | phrowzen well i just noticed that bios detects my hd with different size sometimes. Does it mean that my hd has hardware problem? |
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| 21:28.18 | karsten | phrowzen: 'strace' or '-v' options may be your friend. |
| 21:28.21 | streuner | phrowzen: no, only the domain |
| 21:28.30 | karsten | phrowzen: Looks to me like a file corruption issue, possibly. |
| 21:28.41 | phrowzen | Yorgo: hmm strange, it could, could also be a flaky BIOS, try a hdd diagnostic tool |
| 21:28.46 | streuner | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 21:28.51 | phrowzen | thx |
| 21:29.04 | Zizzling | pickcoder: Youll probably notice that the options to remove only the symlinks arent working |
| 21:29.26 | Zizzling | If you can get that to work il owe you one or 10 |
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| 21:29.44 | \amethyst | Zizzling: have you tried it? it doesn't remove the base script here |
| 21:29.45 | phrowzen | well maybe ill just reinstall, only took me like 20 mins |
| 21:29.49 | karsten | phrowzen: Yeah, gpgv has -v flag. Try it. |
| 21:29.55 | phrowzen | karsten: okay |
| 21:29.57 | Zizzling | \amethyst: etch ? |
| 21:29.57 | karsten | phrowzen: Dude. Serious overkill. |
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| 21:30.02 | \amethyst | Zizzling: however, reinstalling the package does recreate the links |
| 21:30.09 | phrowzen | karsten: haha ;) |
| 21:30.15 | Zizzling | \amethyst: yeah, and i think thats correct |
| 21:30.52 | pickcoder | Zizzling: it works fine for me |
| 21:31.00 | Zizzling | \amethyst: what i wanna do is have a cmd that does _only_ remove or add the symlinks to the actual script |
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| 21:31.11 | pickcoder | Zizzling: it _does_ that now |
| 21:31.15 | \amethyst | Zizzling: that's what it does |
| 21:31.16 | Zizzling | pickcoder: with what cmds ? |
| 21:31.25 | pickcoder | update-rc.d -f <script> remove |
| 21:31.31 | pickcoder | update-rc.d -f <script> defaults |
| 21:31.33 | \amethyst | Zizzling: update-rc.d -f fam remove; ls -l /etc/init.d/fam |
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| 21:31.43 | Zizzling | doesnt it remove the base script as well ? |
| 21:31.47 | pickcoder | no! |
| 21:31.47 | \amethyst | No |
| 21:31.52 | Yorgo | phrowzen when I try to install windows it says missing operating system. is there any known issue about this? I have tried the ways of microsoft's troubleshoot but nothing. the strange is that I can see the contents of hd through knoppix live CD |
| 21:32.02 | pickcoder | pastebin your script |
| 21:32.04 | Zizzling | Hmm, ok... so it got fixed (Yey, me!) |
| 21:32.06 | Zizzling | :) |
| 21:32.11 | maxamillion | is there support for atheros wifi chipsets in the 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 21:32.29 | Zizzling | pickcoder: i must be getting old, didnt see the fix |
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| 21:32.40 | phrowzen | switching the mirror didnt work.. apt-get update showed the same error regarding gpgv at the end.. gpgv -v shows: http://paste.debian.net/35922 |
| 21:32.47 | Zizzling | Nm! .. as long as its ok im happy! |
| 21:32.53 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:32.53 | streuner | dpkg atheros |
| 21:32.53 | dpkg | methinks madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. #madwifi. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. |
| 21:33.10 | Zizzling | atheros is lame shit |
| 21:33.12 | \amethyst | Zizzling: in what version did you encounter the problem? |
| 21:33.13 | maxamillion | streuner: thanks |
| 21:33.28 | phrowzen | Yorgo: well why are you asking in a debian channel? anyways at what poitn does it say missing operating system? |
| 21:33.31 | karsten | Yorgo: Dual-boot config? |
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| 21:33.39 | karsten | Yorgo: ... and what phrowzen said. |
| 21:33.39 | maxamillion | Zizzling: yes, but it uber cheap ... $380 for a 15.1" WXGA laptop 1440x900 resolution |
| 21:33.48 | maxamillion | s/it/its |
| 21:33.59 | Zizzling | \amethyst: Etch as soon as it came out, didnt say anything about it for a few months but then told some people about it |
| 21:34.11 | Jemt | Greetz. What is the archive extractor tool for Gnome called? Which package is it part of ? |
| 21:34.30 | pickcoder | I imagine it got missed because the init scripts are worthless if the symlinks are removed |
| 21:34.31 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:34.34 | Zizzling | maxamillion: Garbage company because they dont adjust according to time and tech |
| 21:34.40 | streuner | Jemt: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:34.43 | Trewas | Jemt: file-roller |
| 21:34.47 | Zizzling | maxamillion: IE: they do their best not to |
| 21:35.08 | Yorgo | <phrowzen> when the base installation files are installed and the computer get restart |
| 21:35.08 | Jemt | Oh, it's file-roller. Thanks :) |
| 21:35.11 | pickcoder | well.. they're not totally worthless |
| 21:35.25 | pickcoder | not everyone wants every init script to start/stop at boot |
| 21:35.51 | Zizzling | maxamillion: Yould laugh your ass off if you knew whats coming next if they dont comply though :P |
| 21:35.58 | karsten | Yorgo: Why are you asking MS Windows install questions on a Debian GNU/Linux channel? |
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| 21:36.07 | maxamillion | Zizzling: do tell |
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| 21:37.04 | Zizzling | maxamillion: Clearly a spoiler... EU is a hint though. |
| 21:37.33 | phrowzen | apparently it might be related to system time, currently its incorrect.. ill try that |
| 21:37.56 | pickcoder | phrowzen: yup that'll do it every time |
| 21:38.02 | phrowzen | hehe :) |
| 21:38.30 | Yorgo | karsten all this appeared after partitions I made and futher dual boots I made for knoppix and ubuntu and so on. I just I thought you could help |
| 21:38.36 | Zizzling | Acer computers sold laptops with preinstalled LinPus Linux, a stripped down version that is useless to anyone because its also been stripped of any software installer and its CLI-only |
| 21:38.57 | Zizzling | They are doing it again now! |
| 21:39.00 | maxamillion | Zizzling: and why did they do this? |
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| 21:39.15 | Zizzling | maxamillion: to sell windows vista |
| 21:39.30 | maxamillion | Zizzling: well, asus also said the EeePC was going to come out with a nice little $199USD price tag, but its already listed for pre-sale at $399 |
| 21:39.39 | Zizzling | And to call Linux crap |
| 21:39.40 | karsten | Yorgo: Other than checking partition lables, and MBR, I'd say this is a Windows problem. |
| 21:39.59 | maxamillion | Zizzling: but they are basing the entire Eee project on linux |
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| 21:41.11 | Yorgo | is it possible that MBR could be damaged? |
| 21:41.15 | Zizzling | maxamillion: Its gonna be a price hard to swallow even for the most corrupt. Theres also an ongoing investigation on real.com's affiliates |
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| 21:41.44 | maxamillion | Zizzling: politics suck |
| 21:41.50 | maxamillion | Zizzling: any thoughts on everex? |
| 21:42.00 | Zizzling | I hate the computer industry and all its shit but the best thing we can do is keep coding |
| 21:42.03 | karsten | !mbr |
| 21:42.04 | dpkg | i guess mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda" |
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| 21:42.39 | Zizzling | maxamillion: Im in all of it but i havnt left one thing in the bad |
| 21:42.42 | Yorgo | dpkg thanks I ' ll try it |
| 21:42.42 | dpkg | Yorgo: gern geschehen |
| 21:43.22 | Zizzling | maxamillion: .com ? |
| 21:43.55 | maxamillion | Zizzling: i believe so ... they are a computer manufacturer ... they cheaper models come with VIA processors and i was concidering buying one of their laptops because i am on a budget |
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| 21:45.38 | phrowzen | it works now, thanks for everyones help |
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| 21:46.05 | ospinamo | correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't mount -rbind used for nfs? |
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| 21:48.44 | Zizzling | maxamillion: Hmm, i can pass this along because this is what i know: Only use HP or Ricoh/Gestetner printers and multicopyers for a few years. Anything ending with .com in the url doesnt have time to make good software (maybe) because of the tedious task of reporting their financial statuses to the govt etc. Do not ever use any kind of antivirus, it only makes things worse. Reinstall if you see evils. If you get hired by any company |
| 21:48.44 | Zizzling | , dont be afraid to check it and its partners out. They could be evil :=) |
| 21:49.57 | maxamillion | Zizzling: but they make hardware ... not software |
| 21:50.05 | maxamillion | well, they assemble hardware |
| 21:50.23 | Zizzling | doesnt matter, their head honcho is |
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| 21:51.24 | Zizzling | STFU bitches! :=) |
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| 21:51.42 | karsten | ospinamo: Not routinely. |
| 21:51.53 | Zizzling | maxamillion: TRUE |
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| 21:52.06 | maxamillion | what? |
| 21:52.10 | karsten | ospinamo: It can be used, IIUC it's orthogonal to filesystem type, it's merely used to make a filesystem available elsewhere than its primary mount. |
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| 21:52.52 | ]pablo[ | how do you ask for a specific IP address with dhclient? |
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| 21:53.22 | BadHorsie | karsten: thanks, it just looked like bind. |
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| 21:53.48 | BadHorsie | ]pablo[: that sounds more like a dhcp server configuration issue, based on MAC address would do it. |
| 21:53.49 | karsten | BadHorsie: In general, your NFS args are: rw/ro, intr/nointr, browse/nobrowse, proto=<value> rsize=<value>, wsize=<value> |
| 21:54.02 | karsten | ]pablo[: What BadHorsie said. |
| 21:54.48 | karsten | BadHorsie: man mount, see 'mount options for nfs4 |
| 21:54.49 | karsten | . |
| 21:54.58 | BadHorsie | karsten: just if you don't mind explaining, how is it made "available" i mea, what is the use of that availability? |
| 21:55.09 | BadHorsie | i wish i had a linux box right now. |
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| 21:55.22 | BadHorsie | but i'm at work, just doing some research trying to see if there's a similar alternative for hp-ux |
| 21:55.23 | MatBoy | I'm figuring out if it's possible to make a bash script that can make a ssh key for a remote machine for a specific user on that machine and copy it into his own .ss/authorizedkeys |
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| 21:56.13 | themill | MatBoy: ssh-copy-id |
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| 21:56.36 | karsten | BadHorsie: bind/rbind allows the same filesystem (of whatever underlying type) to be simultaneously mounted at multiple points. |
| 21:57.01 | karsten | BadHorsie: Eg: mount -bind /usr /foo/usr |
| 21:57.07 | BadHorsie | i understand, what is the difference with a symbolic link? |
| 21:57.51 | karsten | BadHorsie: ... means that both /usr and /foo/usr have the same contents. The source can be any proper subset of an entire mounted filesystem (eg: a directory subtree). I think it will include any mountpoints below the parent as well. |
| 21:58.09 | karsten | BadHorsie: bind mounts work inside chroots. |
| 21:58.21 | karsten | BadHorsie: It's a filesystem mount point, not a pointer to another filesystem location. |
| 21:58.39 | BadHorsie | awesome, thanks you very much karsten |
| 21:58.52 | karsten | BadHorsie: Note: if you're mountind /dev/ from within a gentoo chroot during installation, and you later decide to blow away the gentoo installation, and you then find that you've got no /dev tree .... |
| 21:58.58 | karsten | BadHorsie: ... you know who to blame. |
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| 21:59.08 | karsten | ... within the past week. |
| 21:59.12 | BadHorsie | hahaha |
| 21:59.47 | karsten | BadHorsie: In the case of a symlink, aside from not being able to see it from w/in the chroot, you'd simply delete the link, not the underlying target. |
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| 22:00.59 | MatBoy | themill, thanks ! |
| 22:01.09 | themill | MatBoy: np |
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| 22:01.30 | MatBoy | the-me, is it a specific distro package or default ? |
| 22:01.53 | MatBoy | themill, ^ |
| 22:02.31 | ]pablo[ | can check it at http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 22:02.31 | MatBoy | themill, mhh, ok that requires a package... but shouldn be easier toscp it as root ? |
| 22:02.35 | MatBoy | to scp |
| 22:02.44 | BadHorsie | interesting |
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| 22:03.39 | themill | MatBoy: I believe it's now part of openssh, but it's reasonably new. It's just a script -- you can copy and modify it as you want. |
| 22:04.16 | MatBoy | themill, yep indeed. The problem is that I place all stuff in to the /home/username, so also .ssh for that user |
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| 22:05.41 | ]pablo[ | why don't debian nvidia drivers support 3d :( |
| 22:05.44 | themill | MatBoy: so you could just run ssh-copy-id as the user, couldn't you? |
| 22:05.48 | ]pablo[ | i have to install sucky non-free drivers |
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| 22:06.08 | wthww | ]pablo[, uh, nVidia driver require a kernel module... |
| 22:06.10 | themill | ]pablo[: ask nvidia, and get a less sucky nick that's easier to type.... ;) |
| 22:06.14 | karsten | ]pablo[: Or buy non-sucky, non-proprietary, NDA-spec'ed hardware. |
| 22:06.26 | karsten | ]pablo[: ... and what themill said. |
| 22:06.29 | Supaplex|roaming | !nickometer ]pablo[ |
| 22:06.30 | dpkg | ']pablo[' is 38.000% lame, supaplex|roaming |
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| 22:06.41 | themill | pot meet kettle.... |
| 22:06.45 | Supaplex|roaming | oh pitch in |
| 22:06.46 | Supaplex|roaming | !sucks |
| 22:06.47 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 22:07.13 | MatBoy | themill, that is possible indeed :) |
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| 22:07.15 | pablo___ | !nickometer Pablo___ |
| 22:07.16 | dpkg | 'Pablo___' is 85.000% lame, pablo___ |
| 22:07.16 | Zizzling | dpkg <- Suck on my balls babee :=) |
| 22:07.20 | pablo___ | woha! |
| 22:07.24 | MatBoy | themill, maybe much more secure !! |
| 22:07.33 | karsten | pablo___: 'pabl0' might work. As long as the first few chars are typable we can tab-complete |
| 22:07.44 | wthww | Why is it hard to get AMD case badges -_- |
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| 22:08.00 | pableras | there |
| 22:08.01 | pableras | :) |
| 22:08.13 | karsten | Sure. |
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| 22:09.14 | userek | hi, is there an easy way to manage services at boot time? i mean is there any configuration file in which i can specify which service should be started and which not? |
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| 22:09.27 | pableras | nvidia's driver for geforce4 420 Go seems to have problems with 2.6.22 kernel |
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| 22:09.34 | pableras | preventing me from installing compiz-fusion :( |
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| 22:09.36 | karsten | userek: less /etc/init.d/README |
| 22:09.50 | BadHorsie | userek: try update-rc.d aswell |
| 22:09.52 | karsten | userek: sysvinit, otherwise, see update-rc.d |
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| 22:11.48 | userek | i used update-rc.d some time ago and my impression was thats only the other way to rm -f some init script :P |
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| 22:13.36 | DawnLight | i'm compiling something and i've noticed that in the first part of the build it only uses one processor at a time, alternating between them... |
| 22:14.21 | DawnLight | i want a link in a node to the path foo-[uid]. can anyone give me a one liner please? |
| 22:14.28 | DawnLight | wrong channel |
| 22:15.35 | Zizzling | "pableras: preventing me from installing compiz-fusion" If you dont have an Intel card youll end up installing a binary blob that does gowd does what evil crap |
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| 22:16.27 | ricky | Woah, I always thought that *!root@* was banned from #debian. |
| 22:17.15 | Zizzling | ricky: fedora/ricky ? |
| 22:17.17 | ricky | Hmm.. maybe it was OFTC's #debian :) |
| 22:17.35 | ricky | Hehe, I have a Fedora computer and a Debian computer :) |
| 22:17.46 | Zizzling | But youre MS ? |
| 22:18.38 | Zizzling | no, its ok crazy son :=) |
| 22:18.43 | ricky | :P |
| 22:18.45 | Zizzling | you need to grow |
| 22:19.03 | Bajo | how do I change the default system language? |
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| 22:19.30 | Zizzling | In what situation Mr/Ms Banjo ? |
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| 22:20.36 | Bajo | Zizzling, e.g. in GNOME |
| 22:20.39 | geo-rge | Zizzling: sexist AND racist, huh? :) |
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| 22:20.56 | Zizzling | I always wanted a duelling banjo when i was! |
| 22:21.17 | Zizzling | "geo-rge Zizzling: sexist AND racist, huh? :)" Eh ? |
| 22:21.45 | geo-rge | if you looked carefully, you'd notice this has NOTHING to do with a musical instrument "banjo", there is no N |
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| 22:21.57 | D0pamine | evening |
| 22:22.01 | Bajo | :) |
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| 22:22.07 | Drevay | 'lo |
| 22:22.21 | D0pamine | sorry for being a nub but i cant seem to lspci |
| 22:22.23 | Zizzling | geo-rge: so you dont like sex with the opposite gender or what :P ? |
| 22:22.33 | geo-rge | I'll just leave you to the thinking you'd have to do to become sentient and conscious |
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| 22:22.42 | D0pamine | which package do i need , there doesnt seem to be a pciutils package |
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| 22:22.53 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: well, it may have something to do with a musical instrument |
| 22:22.54 | Drevay | just go into a terminal and type lspci |
| 22:22.57 | Drevay | it should come up |
| 22:23.03 | Zizzling | geo-rge: Ill leave you with "Hummzaa" :=) |
| 22:23.34 | themill | wtf.... it's not still full moon, I just checked. |
| 22:23.50 | dondelelcaro | themill: uh... the full moon already happened |
| 22:24.04 | D0pamine | Drevay , i tried that , |
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| 22:24.13 | Drevay | what does the output say? |
| 22:24.16 | dondelelcaro | and will happen again in about 24 days |
| 22:24.16 | D0pamine | -bash: lspci: command not found |
| 22:24.21 | Drevay | paste to rafb.net/paste <--- |
| 22:24.23 | themill | dondelelcaro: that's my point... what are people on tonight |
| 22:24.28 | D0pamine | obviously not got the package |
| 22:24.31 | gkahla | hello all - what's the package to add to get access to the mkfs.vfat binary? |
| 22:24.32 | themill | s/tonight/today/ |
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| 22:24.37 | Zizzling | geo-rge: Bitchin good arent i :P |
| 22:24.45 | dondelelcaro | (the moon is relatively full now, though) |
| 22:24.56 | Zizzling | Hiya donde |
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| 22:25.17 | geo-rge | dondelelcaro: I watched the eclipse in its entirety, pretty cool :) |
| 22:25.39 | D0pamine | i dunno o.0 |
| 22:25.41 | Zizzling | Monn is full, here comes the QT people infesting the perfectly fine vine :P |
| 22:26.30 | themill | at least it looks like we don't need out tinfoil hats this evening... |
| 22:26.30 | Drevay | ok, D0pamine, Applications > Accessories > Terminal |
| 22:26.37 | Zizzling | MS coders from gtk-+1 ? |
| 22:26.40 | Drevay | type in lscpi, then paste the output to rafb.net/paste |
| 22:26.41 | Drevay | ok? |
| 22:26.46 | themill | just the straightjackets..... |
| 22:26.50 | D0pamine | Drevay , i'm a long time gentoo user |
| 22:26.54 | Drevay | http://raffb.net/paste |
| 22:26.56 | Zizzling | Sickening :P |
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| 22:27.08 | D0pamine | there is no gui atm , i'm just ssh-ing to it |
| 22:27.17 | Drevay | ohhhh |
| 22:27.21 | Drevay | haha ok |
| 22:27.36 | Drevay | do you have permission to run lspci? |
| 22:27.49 | D0pamine | just wondering why when i : aptitude search pciutils |
| 22:27.55 | D0pamine | it comes up with nothing |
| 22:27.55 | Zizzling | D0pamine, are you sure ? |
| 22:28.00 | D0pamine | i'm logged in as root |
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| 22:28.18 | D0pamine | its on the lan , tis downstairs |
| 22:28.25 | Drevay | oh, irc-ing as root is bad mojo, just to let you know heh |
| 22:28.36 | D0pamine | i know , i'm on my gentoo box here |
| 22:28.42 | kanzure | How would I go about adding another Linux distro to my Debian system? |
| 22:28.44 | gkahla | for those keeping score at home, it looks like it's dosfstools for mkfs.vfat |
| 22:28.45 | Drevay | w00t, Gentoo :) |
| 22:28.51 | D0pamine | i'm ssh root@*.*.* |
| 22:29.07 | Zizzling | Be nice to the veteran :=) / He hasnt learned a thing |
| 22:29.47 | Zizzling | D0pamine: HI! |
| 22:29.50 | D0pamine | do i need another repo for pciutils ? |
| 22:29.59 | D0pamine | hi Zizzling |
| 22:30.10 | Zizzling | D0pamine: How are you doing ? |
| 22:30.22 | D0pamine | alright , and you |
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| 22:30.32 | Zizzling | D0pamine: Very good |
| 22:30.41 | Zizzling | D0pamine: ok |
| 22:30.46 | centosian_ | Q: how do I tell which package a given program comes from? Say, /usr/sbin/smartctl |
| 22:31.16 | h3sp4wn | centosian_: dpkg -S (given it is installed) |
| 22:31.16 | themill | !tell centosian_ about search |
| 22:31.39 | Zizzling | centosian_: ld /file |
| 22:31.41 | D0pamine | nope , i dont have lspci in /usr/sbin |
| 22:31.50 | Drevay | brb |
| 22:32.01 | D0pamine | does anyone know which package its in ? |
| 22:32.13 | internat2 | or apt-file |
| 22:32.16 | internat2 | apt-get install apt-file |
| 22:32.17 | themill | !tell D0pamine about search |
| 22:32.18 | internat2 | apt-file update |
| 22:32.23 | internat2 | apt-file search filename |
| 22:32.26 | themill | pciutils |
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| 22:32.35 | Zizzling | centosian_: the real A, you dont if yournt using a real packagemanager |
| 22:32.45 | D0pamine | aptitude search pciutils bring no results |
| 22:32.49 | centosian_ | Zizzling: yeah, gar |
| 22:33.00 | Zizzling | centosian_: Gir, is wif ya |
| 22:33.16 | abrotman | the package is pciutils |
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| 22:33.29 | themill | D0pamine: are you using etch? |
| 22:33.34 | D0pamine | yes |
| 22:33.36 | abrotman | do you have a real set of sources ? |
| 22:33.40 | Zizzling | so is zak, tim, jim and sif,eu |
| 22:33.50 | themill | D0pamine: can you please pastebin your sources.list |
| 22:33.50 | peterS | abort, abort |
| 22:33.56 | Zizzling | lol |
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| 22:34.07 | peterS | (hi there 'rtman) |
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| 22:34.35 | abrotman | hi peterS |
| 22:34.48 | centosian_ | h3sp4wn: what if /usr/sbin/smartctl isn't installed and I want to figure out which package it's from. |
| 22:34.56 | centosian_ | (trying the other suggestions) |
| 22:35.11 | themill | centosian_: packages.debian.org or use apt-file |
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| 22:35.15 | abrotman | aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search bin/smartctl |
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| 22:35.30 | centosian_ | sweet, thanks abrotman |
| 22:35.31 | D0pamine | http://pastebin.ca/677337 |
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| 22:35.39 | abrotman | !tell centosian_ about search |
| 22:35.55 | tamiya | hello!! |
| 22:36.14 | abrotman | D0pamine: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
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| 22:36.26 | D0pamine | rgr |
| 22:36.29 | abrotman | erm .. crap .. no .uk mirro |
| 22:36.32 | themill | D0pamine: ok... you've got no mirrors in there... add a mirror to that list as abrotman suggested |
| 22:36.43 | D0pamine | thought that'd be on the cd tho |
| 22:36.44 | abrotman | oh .. yes there is |
| 22:36.59 | themill | abrotman: that line is fine |
| 22:37.08 | themill | abrotman: (it's what I have ;) |
| 22:37.09 | tamiya | if i power on my Debian linux PC with the network cable unplugged, and then plug it in when the OS has loaded, i still have no network... what do i need to do to get the network up and runing? |
| 22:37.14 | h3sp4wn | centosian_: for the most part you may want to avoid apt-file as its so slow - just aptitude search smart (and look for which) happens to be smartmontools |
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| 22:37.38 | tamiya | i have tried 'ifup eth1' and 'ifdown eth1' followed by 'ifup eth1' |
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| 22:37.47 | centosian_ | h3sp4wn: as it turns out, I'm using fink on OSX, which is build on apt-get, I believe |
| 22:37.54 | centosian_ | s/build/built/ |
| 22:38.14 | D0pamine | btw , i dont like ubuntu users , debian fine , ubuntu no |
| 22:38.18 | centosian_ | so I'm not *really* on debian (ducking and running away!) |
| 22:38.26 | themill | h3sp4wn: apt-file slow...??? took < 5s here.... faster than grocking a long list of other stuff |
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| 22:38.55 | abrotman | enouf: done yet? |
| 22:38.56 | themill | !lart centosian_ |
| 22:38.58 | h3sp4wn | themill: Should be as fast as dlocate |
| 22:39.29 | centosian_ | apt-cache search smartctl shows nothing |
| 22:39.36 | tamiya | does someone know the solution? |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | centosian_: apt-cache search smart .... |
| 22:39.55 | abrotman | tamiya: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:40.06 | h3sp4wn | centosian_: are you certain osx has smartmontools anyway ? |
| 22:40.09 | centosian_ | abrotman: it's not returning useful results |
| 22:40.11 | centosian_ | OH |
| 22:40.14 | tamiya | abrotman: thanks |
| 22:40.19 | tamiya | i will give that a go |
| 22:40.22 | h3sp4wn | centosian_: or it can work with that kernel |
| 22:40.28 | MatBoy | themill, is that ssh-copy-id already default in Debian testing ? |
| 22:40.49 | themill | MatBoy: yes, in etch, even. |
| 22:41.12 | themill | MatBoy: package openssh-client |
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| 22:41.28 | h3sp4wn | themill: I would still say it takes probably 3 times as long (never liked apt-file when it lost the progress bar unless -v was used) |
| 22:41.31 | centosian_ | abrotman, h3sp4wn I realize I may have built it on one machine from source |
| 22:41.36 | MatBoy | themill, I was also testing a CentOS 4.5 installation... damn not there :S and the latest openssh snapshot there complains about an old zlib.... damn Redhat :P |
| 22:41.44 | abrotman | i thought there was a #find |
| 22:41.45 | abrotman | fink |
| 22:41.58 | centosian_ | abrotman: good point |
| 22:42.10 | themill | MatBoy: getting rid of rhel from my desktop at work was a happy day... I understand your pain |
| 22:42.35 | CalJohn | what is a good way to automate ftp get/put? I want to automate getting a fetch from another machine. I normally use yafc interactively. |
| 22:42.47 | MatBoy | themill, nah for servers it's perfect... really with vmware and their default 100Hz kernels that are made |
| 22:42.55 | D0pamine | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu << hahahaa |
| 22:43.06 | MatBoy | themill, but indeed.. old stuff they run |
| 22:43.17 | D0pamine | anyone hear about the ubuntu user that got locked in the local tesco ? |
| 22:43.22 | satan | What are some good text editors for gnome that have syntax highlighting and other good features like that? |
| 22:43.23 | themill | MatBoy: horribly so. |
| 22:43.25 | D0pamine | starved to death! |
| 22:43.28 | MatBoy | D0pamine, ? |
| 22:43.36 | Xenguy | CalJohn: there's wget and wput (just a notion) |
| 22:43.37 | D0pamine | :P |
| 22:43.43 | themill | satan: vim |
| 22:43.52 | D0pamine | supermarket^ |
| 22:43.59 | CalJohn | satan: try emacs. I think they have some kind of primitive highlighting, and probably a couple of other features. |
| 22:44.07 | D0pamine | think walmart |
| 22:44.07 | CalJohn | Xenguy: :D thankyou |
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| 22:44.19 | themill | nvz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesco |
| 22:44.20 | Xenguy | CalJohn: HTH :-) |
| 22:44.29 | nvz | the supermarket is called Gian'Iggle around here |
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| 22:44.32 | D0pamine | i thought it was funny anyway |
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| 22:44.58 | MatBoy | D0pamine, do you have a YouTube from it ? :P |
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| 22:45.07 | abrotman | MatBoy: stop encouraging |
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| 22:45.10 | D0pamine | hahaa |
| 22:45.11 | nvz | abrotman: not sunday yet |
| 22:45.11 | themill | CalJohn: rsync, perhaps. do you really need to use ftp? |
| 22:45.13 | Xenguy | abrotman: no it's not Sunday ;-) |
| 22:45.25 | MatBoy | abrotman, just checking if he can stop by his own ;) |
| 22:45.32 | D0pamine | wouldnt be fun to watch him struggling with a tin of beans |
| 22:46.04 | abrotman | it's not funny |
| 22:46.09 | simmerz | I've got a machine currently running gentoo that I want to switch to debian. However, I don't want to lose the EVMS base. what is the best way to go about this? debootstrapping it from the gentoo live-cd? |
| 22:46.13 | MatBoy | did it really happen ? |
| 22:46.22 | D0pamine | no , its a joke |
| 22:46.24 | MatBoy | I know it's a part of Seven as what I hear |
| 22:46.25 | MatBoy | ow |
| 22:46.26 | MatBoy | :P |
| 22:46.55 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: you can do that, or you can use debootstrap in place |
| 22:46.55 | D0pamine | i used to use debian all the time , still would do in the right circumstances |
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| 22:47.46 | D0pamine | but ubuntu tries to be windows |
| 22:47.53 | azeem | D0pamine: Ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 22:48.04 | D0pamine | rgr , hi azeem buddy |
| 22:48.08 | msikma | Hi everyone :) I'm installing a major update right now, but I'm tired and I was wondering if I could stop it and continue installing some other time? |
| 22:48.21 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: if the root filesystem is on evms, that's pretty much the easiest way to go; otherwise you can just use the debian installer a build your own kernel with the evms patches |
| 22:48.22 | azeem | msikma: what is it doing currently? |
| 22:48.22 | msikma | I hope this isn't a stupid question |
| 22:48.28 | msikma | Installing packages that it downloaded |
| 22:48.29 | azeem | msikma: you can abort downloading |
| 22:48.30 | D0pamine | azeem , i was commenting on the topic^^ |
| 22:48.35 | azeem | msikma: I wouldn't do it |
| 22:48.40 | msikma | Ahh, okay :) |
| 22:49.00 | msikma | Too bad, I just installed gnome and a bunch of other things, more than 1 GB in size, so I guess I'll be here for some time longer. |
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| 22:49.08 | dondelelcaro | msikma: yeah, you could just let it sit there and wait for when you have more time |
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| 22:49.14 | dondelelcaro | msikma: but you don't want to stop it |
| 22:49.33 | dondelelcaro | (though if it were to stop, it usually will start right up again) |
| 22:49.38 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: debootstrap in place? yes, the whole lot is in evms, though /boot is in the usual plain old md mirror rather than an evms volume |
| 22:49.47 | msikma | dondelelcaro: this computer is a little loud, so that's why. I sleep in the same room. |
| 22:49.54 | msikma | But I guess I'll wait a while longer |
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| 22:49.59 | dondelelcaro | msikma: ah |
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| 22:50.26 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: yeah, if you've got space for a partition that you're going to make the root of the debian system, it's fairly trivial. |
| 22:50.33 | azeem | msikma: it doesn't have suspend to ram/disk, I assume? |
| 22:50.41 | azeem | that would be fine to do |
| 22:50.52 | rhavenn | how do i get ldap authentication to ignore root, etc.. and treat them as local accounts only? |
| 22:50.57 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: I wanted to replace the existing setup with debian, so I think the best solution would be to boot off a live-cd and do it that way? |
| 22:51.00 | msikma | azeem: maybe... it's a pretty old machine. |
| 22:51.07 | msikma | 500 MHz-something. |
| 22:51.14 | Guerin | dpkg, file formats is http://www-cdf.fnal.gov/upgrades/front-end/humor/file_format.txt |
| 22:51.16 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: depends on whether you have enough extra space |
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| 22:51.22 | satan | How do you "undo" in "nano"? |
| 22:51.31 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 22:51.31 | dpkg | what's up |
| 22:51.35 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: can't remember! been a while since I turned the box on! |
| 22:51.41 | Guerin | dpkg, formats is http://www-cdf.fnal.gov/upgrades/front-end/humor/file_format.txt |
| 22:51.41 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 22:51.45 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: if you've got enough extra space, creating a new root partition is pretty easy |
| 22:52.16 | Guerin | ok, the next question is: how does one open clarisworks files in openoffice or some other free software app? |
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| 22:52.20 | dondelelcaro | 'course, if it's really old and you don't want to save anything but the evms kernel, starting from a live-cd with evms will make it easy |
| 22:52.30 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: and then blowing the old one away? |
| 22:52.31 | azeem | Guerin: haha |
| 22:52.37 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: yeah |
| 22:52.46 | abrotman | Guerin: uhm .. i don't think you can .. at all |
| 22:52.49 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: last time I had to do it, I ran them through strings |
| 22:52.52 | Guerin | stupid mactards |
| 22:52.58 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:53.02 | Guerin | damn them to heylll |
| 22:53.13 | abrotman | at least hell will be shiny |
| 22:53.30 | simmerz | i have partitions I'd like to keep, but they're all separate and nothing to do with a base install, so I can just leave them unmounted while I reinstall anyway. apart from that, I'm turning the machine into a xen host |
| 22:53.34 | Zizzling | Guerin: be nice to everyone dude |
| 22:53.38 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: with soft curves and well designed packaging |
| 22:53.41 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 22:53.55 | abrotman | a huge open apple key in the corner |
| 22:53.58 | dondelelcaro | simmerz: yeah |
| 22:54.29 | msikma | Guerin: I dual..... :) |
| 22:54.52 | Guerin | Zizzling: i'm only nice to people who don't use stupid file formats |
| 22:55.01 | simmerz | hmmph. adsl up to 8mbps my ****. 3k5 if I'm lucky! |
| 22:55.03 | Guerin | actually, that's not quite true either |
| 22:55.15 | azeem | they should really use OOXML |
| 22:55.20 | Guerin | hah |
| 22:55.32 | Guerin | it's got the word OPEN in it, it must be communism! |
| 22:55.32 | Zizzling | Guerin: thats why we changed the outcome |
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| 22:55.56 | Zizzling | Guerin: They wherent good people |
| 22:56.09 | D0pamine | thanks boys and girls , my debian knowlege is all coming back to me now |
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| 22:56.19 | msikma | Guerin: don't worry, we have ensured that soon, all of your "open" programs will be running OOXML. It's amazing what a little bit of money will buy... |
| 22:56.20 | Guerin | where? |
| 22:56.28 | Zizzling | Guerin: sis |
| 22:56.35 | Zizzling | Guerin: attackers |
| 22:56.41 | Guerin | msikma: learn to stop worrying and love the bomb |
| 22:56.53 | msikma | Hehehe :) |
| 22:56.54 | simmerz | dondelelcaro: I think I need to boot the box up and investigate before I actually blow the OS away! heh |
| 22:56.55 | Zizzling | Teh boong! |
| 22:56.59 | Guerin | Zizzling: ok, i see - you're just on hard drugs |
| 22:57.16 | Zizzling | Guerin: If you say so |
| 22:57.20 | Guerin | silly me, that should be my default presumption for randomness in hashdweebian |
| 22:57.31 | msikma | Gentlemen, don't fight in here. This is the war room. |
| 22:57.35 | nvz | heh |
| 22:57.39 | Zizzling | Guerin: Otherwise, watch my code rule you :P |
| 22:58.10 | Zizzling | Plus its OSSly free |
| 22:58.12 | Guerin | well, strings gets me the information, but at this juncture I'm just planning to get my mum to email the eejit back and ask for the invoice in a usable file format, if he wants it to be paid |
| 22:58.34 | msikma | An invoice in such a file format? That's silly |
| 22:58.42 | Zizzling | Guerin: Evil bitches eye! |
| 22:58.48 | azeem | Zizzling: dude |
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| 22:58.57 | nvz | d00d |
| 22:58.58 | azeem | Zizzling: try to be the signal |
| 22:59.07 | Zizzling | azeem: the vote man! |
| 22:59.12 | Zizzling | votes |
| 22:59.17 | azeem | no the tell-you-off man |
| 22:59.20 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:59.20 | Zizzling | vootcarrier |
| 22:59.27 | azeem | Zizzling: do you have a Debian question? |
| 22:59.33 | massysett | The policy manual says "standard" priority packages are installed if the user doesn't pick anything else. But my fresh Debian box doesn't have standard packages like Mutt. When is the standard stuff installed? |
| 22:59.36 | Supaplex|roaming | dood where's my zomg |
| 22:59.43 | azeem | massysett: during tasksel |
| 22:59.47 | D0pamine | just one more quick q , which ncurses package do i need to menuconfig |
| 22:59.50 | azeem | massysett: if you skip that, they won't, AFAIK |
| 22:59.57 | Guerin | msikma: mutt isn't standard. |
| 23:00.00 | nvz | he was in here complaining about our rc.d tools earlier |
| 23:00.02 | azeem | Zizzling: don't /msg people, please |
| 23:00.04 | abrotman | D0pamine: libncurses5-dev |
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| 23:00.13 | nvz | never really seen him ask any questions |
| 23:00.13 | D0pamine | k thanks :D |
| 23:00.18 | msikma | Guerin: and I'm glad! |
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| 23:00.24 | Zizzling | Guerin: Thanks, love it. |
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| 23:00.30 | Guerin | Zizzling: long time. |
| 23:00.44 | Zizzling | No sea but hope to have one :=) |
| 23:00.52 | Zizzling | Indeed |
| 23:00.55 | massysett | azeem: when during tasksel? It doesn't look like the Desktop task installs the standard stuff either. |
| 23:01.12 | azeem | massysett: maybe you're confused what "standard" priority means |
| 23:01.15 | abrotman | massysett: during the install .. there's tasksel .. if you leave standard checked .. and let it run .. it installs a ton of crap |
| 23:01.31 | azeem | massysett: or not, nevermind |
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| 23:02.23 | azeem | abrotman: there's no "standard" in tasksel |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | it's a task |
| 23:02.40 | azeem | it's not getting displayed here |
| 23:02.45 | massysett | Yeah, tasksel wouldn't show those packages to me, but I browsed the tasks in Aptitude, and standard stuff didn't show up in, e.g., Desktop. |
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| 23:02.49 | azeem | massysett: I think it's like this: If you select any task, standard will get installed as well |
| 23:02.54 | azeem | massysett: if not, it won't |
| 23:03.10 | abrotman | i always uncheck them all ... |
| 23:03.18 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:05.10 | massysett | azeem & abrotman: thanks, I'll try that when I boot back into Debian... |
| 23:05.11 | abrotman | tasksel is so goofy :) |
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| 23:06.06 | simmerz | will mkinitramfs automatically include evms stuff if evms is installed? |
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| 23:08.06 | msikma | Too many packages |
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| 23:27.26 | k-man | with the lirc-modules-source package, I had to patch it to make it compile. How can I make a patch to submit the package maintainer? |
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| 23:28.11 | abrotman | k-man: reportbug |
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| 23:28.27 | abrotman | k-man: submit a bug .. attach the patch |
| 23:28.42 | k-man | abrotman, ok... how do i make the patch? |
| 23:28.49 | k-man | i mean... |
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| 23:28.58 | k-man | is there a "debian way" to make a patch against a source package? |
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| 23:29.25 | abrotman | same way you make any patch |
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| 23:29.29 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 23:29.49 | azeem | k-man: diff -u old-file new-file |
| 23:29.55 | abrotman | hrm . maybe not .. or i i can't find it |
| 23:30.06 | k-man | what if its many files in a directory that were modified? |
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| 23:30.50 | azeem | k-man: then recreate the original directory as foo.orig or so |
| 23:30.58 | k-man | ok |
| 23:30.58 | azeem | and run diff -Naur foo.orig foo |
| 23:31.05 | k-man | righto |
| 23:31.07 | k-man | thanks |
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| 23:33.19 | User469 | Browse the internet securely using TurboMax.info. You can unblock popular social networking sites such as MySpace, Bebo, Facebook, YouTube, Orkut, Friendster and many other sites. Feel free to browse 24/7 and don't forget to tell your friends! |
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| 23:33.47 | k-man | how can i do a recursive find/replace on all files in a directory? |
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| 23:36.13 | abrotman | k-man: you could use find |
| 23:36.26 | k-man | yeah, i'm working on doing it that way |
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| 23:36.57 | jelly-home | k-man: construct a list of files matching your source string using find and grep -l. then use sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' or perl -pi -e 's/foo/bar' on them |
| 23:37.06 | ricky | find -type f | xargs perl -pi -e 's/orig/new/' |
| 23:37.11 | ricky | Probably really inefficient, but it works :) |
| 23:37.28 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:37.54 | Supaplex|roaming | -print0 | xargs -0 might be less error prone (for files with spaces in their name) |
| 23:37.58 | fsmunoz | find . -type f -exec sed -e 's/old/new/g' \{\} \; is also an option |
| 23:37.58 | jelly-home | ricky: it munges all the files, so yes, it would be a bit inefficient |
| 23:38.29 | fsmunoz | (with an extra -i flag to edit in place, that is) |
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| 23:39.54 | jelly-home | k-man: make sure you have a backup of the directory before running a find with potentially destructive commands invoked |
| 23:40.06 | k-man | jelly, yeah, i did, thanks :) |
| 23:40.10 | Supaplex|roaming | backups are for the weak ;) |
| 23:40.32 | jelly-home | Supaplex|roaming: no backups are for the stupid :-P |
| 23:41.16 | Supaplex|roaming | well, I'm weak. so I have them to. and my hardware is weak sometimes. |
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| 23:42.17 | fsmunoz | k-man: with sed -i, if you supply an extension it will make backups for you (e.g. sed -i.bak ...) |
| 23:42.45 | k-man | fsmunoz, cool |
| 23:42.46 | k-man | anyway |
| 23:42.48 | k-man | its done now |
| 23:42.51 | k-man | thanks for your help guys |
| 23:42.54 | ricky | Same with Perl :) |
| 23:42.56 | fsmunoz | k-man: probably not useful now, but just mentioning because I find thie useful sometimes |
| 23:43.04 | k-man | fsmunoz, thanks :) |
| 23:43.08 | fsmunoz | yw |
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| 23:49.54 | Codenut | I cannot get iirc to load on my debian sarge box, is there another one I can try? |
| 23:50.06 | azeem | what is iirc? |
| 23:50.22 | Codenut | I am after a CLUI irc client. |
| 23:50.31 | BadHorsie | irssi |
| 23:50.33 | azeem | try irssi |
| 23:50.38 | BadHorsie | irssi |
| 23:50.39 | BadHorsie | \m/ |
| 23:50.51 | lunk | wine mirc.exe |
| 23:50.57 | fsmunoz | Codenut: not an Emacs user I suppose? |
| 23:50.59 | BadHorsie | lol |
| 23:51.06 | Codenut | ooooops, keep that log going |
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| 23:51.33 | Codenut | Oh that is right, one can configure Emacs to do that too, once one is deep into it's vooodooo |
| 23:52.01 | fsmunoz | Codenut: eheh, hardly voodo: M-x irc , and your're done, connects to freenode. |
| 23:52.15 | Zizzling | frontiernet.net eats an Orange.. |
| 23:52.31 | lunk | lol, amazingly, downloading mirc and running it with wine works perfectly |
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| 23:52.53 | Zizzling | lunk: Wow, ugly! :=) |
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| 23:53.24 | Codenut | but does that not still mean you have to pay? |
| 23:53.27 | fsmunoz | lunk: that's perfect for those who can't go a day without seeing Baram Kalam Shaman's face for day |
| 23:53.29 | Zizzling | Thats like the OMG! Teh |
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| 23:53.51 | lunk | i havn't run this software since like 3.0 |
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| 23:54.37 | lunk | still just as crappy |
| 23:55.37 | Codenut | I think I would rather learn Emacs so I can understand something deep and meaningful |
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| 23:57.29 | fsmunoz | Codenut: I'm partial... but once you get it.... it's so peaceful and harmonious :) |
| 23:57.39 | fsmunoz | jk. Sort of. |
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