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| 00:01.12 | abrotman | finally ... |
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| 00:01.28 | k-man | what does this error mean? insmod: error inserting 'misc/lirc_dev.ko': -1 Invalid module format |
| 00:01.36 | k-man | or how do i solve it? |
| 00:02.05 | k-man | does that mean i compiled it against the wrong kernel or something? |
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| 00:03.28 | Codenut | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.49 | Codenut | I am new to irc and getting hooked. |
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| 00:04.59 | pablo | hmm, nvidia driver installed fine, no apparent errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, but the screen is corrupted when i start X |
| 00:05.02 | pablo | anyone wanna take a look? |
| 00:05.13 | abrotman | paste the log |
| 00:05.20 | azeem | pablo: which nvidia driver? |
| 00:05.39 | fsmunoz | Codenut: what's wrong with the box? |
| 00:05.52 | fsmunoz | Codenut: is it a remote server? Connectivity problems? |
| 00:05.54 | pablo | non-free ones |
| 00:05.55 | pablo | NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9639-pkg1 |
| 00:06.07 | azeem | that sounds bad |
| 00:06.09 | azeem | !nvidia |
| 00:06.09 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 00:06.11 | Codenut | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.19 | pablo | read that already |
| 00:06.28 | pablo | i do need the 3d acceleration though |
| 00:06.30 | pablo | :/ |
| 00:06.30 | azeem | anyway, going to bed now |
| 00:06.55 | fsmunoz | Codenut: the problem wouldn't be "all keys I press print a space character"? |
| 00:07.33 | Codenut | It is a PIII 750 box in my work shop that I wifi to and I am cleaning it up after my son dumped everything on the floor. |
| 00:07.53 | Codenut | The apple does not fall far away from the tree ;-[ |
| 00:08.06 | fsmunoz | ehe |
| 00:08.22 | Xenguy | heheh |
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| 00:08.47 | Codenut | I am running debian sarge,, but it is getting more and more misbehaved. |
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| 00:09.33 | Codenut | Or, more accurately, it is the linux os that I was able to use and upgrade. That is the truth. |
| 00:11.34 | Codenut | Hope the new school year with the kids off to school and my getting the house in order will allow me to set up a synergy setup using 3 monitors. |
| 00:11.34 | jelly-home | yeah, it's kind of hard to upgrade the kid |
| 00:12.11 | Codenut | Yea, I have to set my standards to unatainable to attract interest |
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| 00:12.48 | Codenut | Thank you so much for your time and thoughts |
| 00:12.52 | Codenut | Good night |
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| 00:14.15 | fsmunoz | night Codenut |
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| 00:16.59 | markjames | I installed gnome, gdm, and xserver |
| 00:17.10 | markjames | but now the only resolution I can choose is 640x480 |
| 00:17.15 | markjames | is there a way I can fix this? |
| 00:17.39 | fsmunoz | Well |
| 00:17.52 | fsmunoz | You should add the resoltuions you plan on using to xorg.conf |
| 00:18.26 | markjames | ok |
| 00:18.43 | fsmunoz | I.e. the GUI tools only appear to cycle between the resolutions that the xorg.conf file contains |
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| 00:19.05 | fsmunoz | Perhaps there are exceptions in some systems, with DDC and all |
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| 00:19.18 | markjames | is there a command to configure it automatically? |
| 00:19.22 | abrotman | markjames: which driver/card? |
| 00:19.50 | fsmunoz | markjames: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg I think... |
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| 00:20.15 | fsmunoz | markjames: it asks about the resolutions one wants to use somewhere in one of the dialogs |
| 00:20.26 | markjames | dpkg: need an action option |
| 00:20.36 | fsmunoz | Not sure how to do a fully automated config |
| 00:21.14 | markjames | I did select 1024*768 |
| 00:21.17 | markjames | so I'm confused |
| 00:21.22 | fsmunoz | ummm |
| 00:21.55 | fsmunoz | markjames: as abrotman askes, driver/card? |
| 00:22.30 | markjames | integrated |
| 00:22.38 | fsmunoz | Intel? |
| 00:22.40 | BadHorsie | http://www.edu.lahti.fi/~aaspinen/ |
| 00:22.55 | markjames | fsmunoz, yes |
| 00:22.55 | gonzaloaf_work | hello, I want to mount a svn server in my old pentium with 32Mb of RAM, and 1G of hard disk, do you think that it would possible? |
| 00:23.10 | fsmunoz | markjames: i810 driver? |
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| 00:23.53 | fsmunoz | BadHorsie: hehehe |
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| 00:25.27 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 00:27.28 | gonzaloaf_work | ? |
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| 00:28.15 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: Pentium what ? |
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| 00:28.38 | pablo | abrotman, sorry for the delay: here's the Xorg.0.log |
| 00:28.41 | pablo | http://paste.debian.net/35928 |
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| 00:29.09 | pablo | abrotman, i can't see any real errors in it, but the screen is corrupted when X start |
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| 00:29.37 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: 32MB is a bit low for current Debian, dpkg and apt can eat a lot of memory while doing installation or upgrades |
| 00:29.46 | sayers | Hello. I'm installing debian via Floppy on my IBM Thinkpad 390x i got all the way to retrieving packages and it just isnt working. |
| 00:30.11 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, I wont use anything but svn |
| 00:30.32 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, Pentium 1, 133Mhz |
| 00:30.40 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: it might work... I'd still use Debian sarge (oldstable) and a 2.4 kernel. |
| 00:30.43 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: you're going to have to just try it |
| 00:30.47 | abrotman | i'd use etch! |
| 00:30.54 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, sure? |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | try it .. see how it runs |
| 00:31.11 | sayers | the retrieving packages has not froze however it is idled at 0% |
| 00:31.18 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: if you can, put the disk into a machine with more memory and install there, it will be much faster |
| 00:31.18 | sayers | I'm sure internet works |
| 00:31.53 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: that machine can likely take 64MB of RAM .. get it if you can |
| 00:32.14 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, I want to use this P1, because I use all my another computers |
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| 00:32.37 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: you're just going to have to try it |
| 00:32.39 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: sure, I was talking just for the installation |
| 00:32.46 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, maybe sarge and kernel 2.4 save RAM |
| 00:32.54 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: not enough to really matter |
| 00:32.58 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, I have sarge already installed |
| 00:33.21 | gonzaloaf_work | abrotman, ok I will upgrade it to etch and give a try |
| 00:33.21 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: so just install subversion and svn away |
| 00:33.51 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, do you also think that is recommended to upgrade to etch? |
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| 00:34.13 | jelly-home | if I thought that, I'd have already said it so |
| 00:34.17 | unilynx | sayers: I installed Debian on a Thinkpad 770 and it runs pretty slow, so I would not expect much. |
| 00:35.35 | snowbird | whaat sped think pad and ram? |
| 00:35.41 | snowbird | maybe upgrade ram eh? |
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| 00:36.01 | unilynx | i think mine is a 366mhz |
| 00:36.06 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: no, I'd keep sarge and clean up the garbage. Hopefully your machine isn't visible on the internets, so it using an old OS wouldn't matter much |
| 00:36.19 | MatBoy | when I ssh -i in a bash script to another host, do I also have to exit ? |
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| 00:36.45 | MatBoy | I think I do |
| 00:37.00 | sayers | unilynx, it has 450 mhz 256 ram |
| 00:37.13 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, but I want to use the latest version of svn in sarge, I mean the etch's version, is it possible to do that? |
| 00:37.15 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: well, if you specify a command it will exit after that command ends |
| 00:37.34 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: create a backport |
| 00:37.45 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: but I probably misunderstood your doubt, nevermind |
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| 00:38.29 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, ok |
| 00:38.30 | MatBoy | fsmunoz, no, you are very right ! I was also wondering if it was automaticly exitting :) |
| 00:38.35 | MatBoy | thanks ! |
| 00:38.44 | fsmunoz | oh, great. yw |
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| 00:39.58 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: I think there's a newer version on backports.org |
| 00:40.45 | unilynx | sayers: are you installing etch or sarge? |
| 00:41.21 | gonzaloaf_work | jelly-home, I wish it works |
| 00:41.25 | sayers | unilynx, etch |
| 00:41.47 | jelly-home | gonzaloaf_work: yah, there's subversion 1.4.2dfsg1-2~bpo.1 in sarge-backports ... the packages from there IME work well. |
| 00:42.07 | unilynx | sayers: i would go with a wm like fluxbox or xfce if you haven't already. gnome is going to be slow. |
| 00:42.22 | sayers | unilynx, I havent even installed it yet. The install wont work |
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| 00:43.41 | cwraig | hi all, i have a debian server that hosts a large number of documents (word excel...cad) via samba, i am looking for a program similar to CVS or Wikipedia where i can get access to old revisions of the file, so if someone saves over a file accidently we still have access to it |
| 00:45.28 | snowbird | and text browser |
| 00:45.43 | ErkiDerLoony | cwraig: Why not use CVS? |
| 00:45.49 | ErkiDerLoony | Or better SVN? |
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| 00:45.58 | ErkiDerLoony | Works for all kind of files! |
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| 00:46.13 | cwraig | ErkiDerLoony, wont those applications store changes in the raw text not full files? |
| 00:46.44 | pablo__ | abrotman, read what i said before? |
| 00:47.19 | abrotman | pablo__: i'm looking |
| 00:47.25 | ErkiDerLoony | cwraig: You have your private editing copy of each file on your hd. That file is updated by the text editor. If you commit the file your cvs also stores the old version. |
| 00:47.31 | abrotman | pablo__: you might want to also ask #nvidia |
| 00:48.04 | abrotman | i don't see anything |
| 00:48.04 | petemc | ErkiDerLoony: last i heard you didnt use text editors to do cad |
| 00:48.30 | abrotman | pablo__: did you try the 'nv' driver? |
| 00:48.51 | ErkiDerLoony | petemc: Ok, but fact is that cvs stores every comitted version of the files. |
| 00:49.01 | ErkiDerLoony | No matter which editor you use to edit them. |
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| 00:49.12 | ErkiDerLoony | Could be binary files anyway. |
| 00:49.23 | pstickne_ | can I perform a minimal debian install with only CD1? |
| 00:49.26 | cwraig | ErkiDerLoony, should i be looking at CVS or SVN |
| 00:49.48 | ErkiDerLoony | cwraig: SVN is CVS with some improvements. So I'd rather prefer SVN. |
| 00:50.00 | cwraig | ErkiDerLoony, Thanks |
| 00:50.09 | ErkiDerLoony | yw |
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| 00:50.18 | pablo__ | abrotman, yeah, 'nv' works flawless, in fact its what im using atm |
| 00:50.35 | pablo__ | abrotman, but i need the 3d support |
| 00:50.48 | abrotman | pablo__: did you use nvidia or nvidia-legacy ? |
| 00:51.33 | pablo__ | i'm not really sure about the difference between both.. the 96xx is legacy i'm pretty sure |
| 00:51.40 | pablo__ | but what i enter in xorg.conf is "nvidia" |
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| 00:52.50 | pablo__ | my card is a geforce4 420 Go, supposedly only supported with that legacy driver |
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| 00:53.37 | MatBoy | fsmunoz, do I have to ssh -i for every command in that case when it will automaticly logout ? |
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| 00:55.58 | pablo__ | #nvidia is totally dead channel heh |
| 00:56.21 | karmatronic | pablo__: problem with nvidia? |
| 00:56.32 | pablo__ | yeah |
| 00:56.39 | pablo__ | :( been trying to solve for 3 days now |
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| 00:58.20 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: well, yes... you can give more than one command if it's possible for your objective, e.g. "uname -a ; date" |
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| 00:59.14 | abrotman | pablo__: your card is now legacy |
| 00:59.19 | MatBoy | fsmunoz, just place a ; behind every command and nothing behind the last ? |
| 00:59.30 | MatBoy | sounds right |
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| 01:00.06 | pablo__ | abrotman, but i'm installing the legacy driver so it should work, shouldn't it? |
| 01:00.16 | abrotman | AIUI .. yes |
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| 01:00.40 | pablo__ | AIUI? |
| 01:00.49 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: yes, that's regular shell syntax, try it on your shell to see the result |
| 01:01.28 | MatBoy | fsmunoz, actually I know what happens, but never, really never needed it.. now I see that BASH + PHP is 200% power :) |
| 01:01.36 | MatBoy | thanks again ! |
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| 01:01.52 | fsmunoz | yw |
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| 01:03.45 | pipeline_ | MatBoy: You know bash is totally usable as a CGI language, right? |
| 01:03.49 | MatBoy | fsmunoz, nice, I hope you have some lovely coffee than ;) |
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| 01:04.29 | MatBoy | pipeline_, yep, realize that more and more... I really never thought about it because I never needed it |
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| 01:04.57 | MatBoy | strange, I always knew, never thought about it :) |
| 01:05.27 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: well, I will, espresso actually |
| 01:05.28 | MatBoy | ok, bed time here, 3am :) |
| 01:05.29 | ptlis | Can anyone point me to a source for decss? |
| 01:05.31 | MatBoy | thanks guys ! |
| 01:05.40 | MatBoy | fsmunoz, Jura ? Nespresso ? |
| 01:05.45 | fsmunoz | Night MatBoy |
| 01:06.15 | MatBoy | thank you, I'm a coffee lover, so I stick around :) |
| 01:06.17 | MatBoy | maybe a Bugatti ? |
| 01:06.17 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: nespresso is good, but over here people generally have the more traditional ones |
| 01:06.24 | MatBoy | wo, great ! |
| 01:06.31 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: I mean, nothing fancy |
| 01:06.46 | MatBoy | no, but that is good, how it should be actually |
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| 01:07.05 | MatBoy | I play sometimes with a Jura Z5... ok, nice Capp out of it with 1 push :) |
| 01:07.09 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: those were you put the coffee in the recipient, and press it, then attach it firmly to the water exit, etc. |
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| 01:07.17 | fsmunoz | Anyway, thiis os offtopc :) |
| 01:07.31 | MatBoy | fsmunoz, indeed |
| 01:07.40 | fsmunoz | (krupp has some nice machines as well though) |
| 01:07.46 | MatBoy | I will PM you once whn I grab a Nespresso :) |
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| 01:07.54 | MatBoy | we will say cheers than :P |
| 01:07.57 | abrotman | !tell ptlis about decss |
| 01:08.22 | MatBoy | night all ! |
| 01:08.23 | fsmunoz | MatBoy: it's a deal |
| 01:08.25 | fsmunoz | night |
| 01:08.30 | ptlis | abrotman, thanks - managed to find it myself just after asking |
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| 01:09.19 | cyberjames | hi, where can get list of apt sources for woody version? |
| 01:09.21 | cyberjames | !apt |
| 01:09.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
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| 01:10.14 | cyberjames | !apt-get |
| 01:10.14 | dpkg | somebody said apt-get was "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
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| 01:18.58 | cyberjames | hi, anyone can recommend apt source for woody for my /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 01:19.05 | cyberjames | !sources.list |
| 01:19.06 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 01:24.27 | daya | how to run, an application remotely , using ssh, for eg. I want to run mozilla, of remote machine, by using, ssh is it possible? |
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| 01:24.48 | Pc_Dark | not really, you could use VNC though |
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| 01:25.32 | pablo__ | daya, you can use ssh, but make sure you export DISPLAY=you ip address:0.0 |
| 01:25.54 | k-man | what are my options for mounting a linux network share on a mac? is samba the only option? |
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| 01:26.44 | daya | Pablo_, I am in a natted environemnt, is it possible to run in my macine, |
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| 01:26.53 | cTATUK | Hello. |
| 01:26.58 | daya | I mean which IP should I export, |
| 01:27.15 | pablo__ | the client's |
| 01:27.24 | pablo__ | not sure with NAT though... |
| 01:27.30 | pablo__ | should be a way |
| 01:27.31 | fsmunoz | daya: try ssh -X |
| 01:28.00 | fsmunoz | It will create a tunnel for X. Everything you run on the remote machine will appear in you screen |
| 01:28.14 | fsmunoz | (if that is what you want) |
| 01:28.32 | cTATUK | Any suggestions of a good web-cam that has good compatibility with Debian GNU/Linux? |
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| 01:31.04 | daya | fsmunoz, I do it, and when I type, mozilla&, nothing happen, |
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| 01:31.48 | sam1337 | is 2gb 1000mhz graphics memory and 1200mhz gpu better than 1gb 1400mhz graphics memory and a 1080mhz gpu? |
| 01:31.49 | fsmunoz | daya: try "xclock" |
| 01:32.00 | geo-rge | o oclock |
| 01:32.25 | daya | fsmunoz, its working |
| 01:32.29 | daya | fsmunoz, xhost + |
| 01:32.30 | daya | xhost: unable to open display "0:0" |
| 01:33.01 | geo-rge | sam1337: is Kurt Elling better than thai iced coffee? |
| 01:33.04 | fsmunoz | daya: forget xhost with ssh -X |
| 01:33.18 | fsmunoz | daya: xclock is working? |
| 01:33.24 | daya | fsmunoz, sorry , xclock is also not working |
| 01:33.26 | sam1337 | geo-rge i do now know |
| 01:33.44 | geo-rge | meeeeetooooo :) |
| 01:33.47 | daya | fsmunoz, xclock |
| 01:33.48 | daya | Error: Can't open display: 0:0 |
| 01:33.59 | fsmunoz | daya: ssh -X -v <ip> |
| 01:34.09 | fsmunoz | See if any error messages appears relating to xauth |
| 01:34.31 | fsmunoz | It should say something like "debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing" |
| 01:34.39 | fsmunoz | And then maybe some error |
| 01:35.00 | fsmunoz | Maybe the remote sshd doesn't allow X tunneling |
| 01:35.23 | fsmunoz | daya: one question: did you set the DISPLAY variable? |
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| 01:35.58 | daya | fsmunoz, yes, export DISPLAY=0:0, is it , I did so, |
| 01:36.17 | fsmunoz | daya: the don't |
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| 01:36.31 | fsmunoz | daya: logout of that ssh session, and try to ssh -X <ip> again |
| 01:36.33 | daya | fsmunoz, sorry, how did, in ssh config file |
| 01:36.41 | daya | fsmunoz, ok |
| 01:36.42 | fsmunoz | daya: *don't touch DISPLAY* |
| 01:37.08 | fsmunoz | and try xclock |
| 01:37.23 | fsmunoz | Thou shalt not touch DISPLAY |
| 01:37.43 | fsmunoz | DISPLAY shall not be subject to thou touching |
| 01:37.51 | fsmunoz | er, thy |
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| 01:39.10 | daya | fsmunoz, xclock is now working |
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| 01:39.43 | daya | fsmunoz, but firefox& is not working, |
| 01:40.16 | fsmunoz | daya: don' use the ampersand |
| 01:40.23 | geo-rge | it might not be named firefox at the moment... try iceweasel |
| 01:40.26 | daya | fsmunoz, ok |
| 01:40.27 | fsmunoz | daya: when you write "firefox", does it give any error |
| 01:40.29 | geo-rge | guessing. |
| 01:40.54 | daya | fsmunoz, no its just stop , and I have to press Ctrl+c |
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| 01:41.32 | fsmunoz | daya: then I'm lost. If xclock works, every X app should work. |
| 01:41.44 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 01:41.46 | robboplus | what do you press to quit at command? |
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| 01:41.48 | robboplus | i forgot the combo once again.. |
| 01:41.50 | daya | fsmunoz, o, |
| 01:41.52 | fsmunoz | daya: try other X app to see if its just firefox |
| 01:42.12 | geo-rge | robboplus: at? |
| 01:42.17 | fsmunoz | robboplus: uh? |
| 01:42.27 | geo-rge | hmm, try this.... |
| 01:42.28 | robboplus | geo-rge yeah, the one to define a scheduled operation |
| 01:42.42 | daya | fsmunoz, xcalc is also working. |
| 01:42.44 | fsmunoz | Ctrl D |
| 01:42.51 | robboplus | oh hm |
| 01:42.52 | daya | fsmunoz, perhaps only light applicaiton may work |
| 01:42.54 | fsmunoz | That is to accept |
| 01:43.04 | fsmunoz | daya: pehaps firefoc takes long to start? |
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| 01:43.13 | robboplus | many thanks fsmunoz |
| 01:43.16 | fsmunoz | yw |
| 01:43.21 | robboplus | geo-rge did you mean the the same thing? |
| 01:43.22 | daya | fsmunoz, yes, might be the reason, |
| 01:43.35 | robboplus | geo-rge or is there a better way of scheduling operations? |
| 01:43.53 | daya | fsmunoz, I will wait for it some time, |
| 01:43.57 | fsmunoz | ok |
| 01:44.32 | geo-rge | so you hit "at <sometime>" and hit enter... right? |
| 01:45.59 | daya | fsmunoz, Great, It works yar,(good friend in my language), thanks a lot |
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| 01:46.13 | geo-rge | robboplus: well there'd be mroe than one way... but at is just as good I suppose |
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| 01:46.44 | geo-rge | but still... my prev question is still pending :) |
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| 01:47.03 | duke3d_ | how do I change the default font? |
| 01:47.05 | robboplus | geo-rge yes, exactly as you said - i hit enter and then i needed that combo to end the sequence :) |
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| 01:47.17 | robboplus | geo-rge which is ctrl-d :) |
| 01:47.35 | robboplus | i can never remember this |
| 01:49.22 | duke3d_ | hello.. is there any way to change the default font? |
| 01:49.39 | fsmunoz | duke3d_: of what? |
| 01:50.04 | duke3d_ | never mind.. I guess `setfont` should do the trick |
| 01:50.05 | duke3d_ | terminal |
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| 01:51.08 | fsmunoz | duke3d_: yes, I think that's it. |
| 01:51.47 | duke3d_ | no extra fonts included in the debian distro? |
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| 01:52.07 | karsten | !tell duke3d_ about msttcorefonts |
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| 01:52.16 | karsten | duke3d_: Or add your own. |
| 01:52.35 | duke3d_ | thx |
| 01:52.38 | fsmunoz | I think that console fonts are rather limited, and have a special format |
| 01:53.43 | duke3d_ | fsmunoz what do you mean by that? |
| 01:54.13 | Supaplex|roaming | duke3d_: console vs X11 |
| 01:54.13 | duke3d_ | and why do I have to have a cd to install msttcorefonts... apt-get install mstcorefonts asks for CD1 |
| 01:54.29 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell duke3d_ -about sources.list |
| 01:56.17 | pablo__ | !tell pablo__ about msttcorefonts |
| 01:57.12 | geo-rge | duke3d_: msttcorefonts... I don't know what that is or where it is exactly... if it's not available on an archive somewhere, that would be the only reason you'd need a cd |
| 01:57.12 | fsmunoz | duke3d_: I mean that fonts for the console are not the same as the ones available in X |
| 01:57.32 | geo-rge | if it's in main, you absolutely can get it |
| 01:57.41 | geo-rge | over the net that is |
| 01:58.53 | cTATUK | Any suggestions of a good web-cam that has full compatibility with Debian GNU/Linux? |
| 01:59.43 | duke3d_ | I want the console fonts |
| 02:00.03 | duke3d_ | the one I have is too "big" |
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| 02:01.42 | duke3d_ | hey.. I want console fonts |
| 02:03.43 | duke3d_ | consolechars /usr/share/consolefonts/... |
| 02:03.54 | duke3d_ | google is my friend |
| 02:04.43 | geo-rge | how does relay allowing work in the debian etch compile |
| 02:04.51 | geo-rge | and install of qmail and the tcp server? |
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| 02:09.24 | fsmunoz | cTATUK: I don't have one, but this seems to have some links of supported webcams that could be useful: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support |
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| 02:11.11 | cTATUK | Thanks fsmunoz. |
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| 02:12.56 | fsmunoz | yw |
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| 02:16.07 | cec | Hi can't get sound to work after lenny install on an x60 using alsa. volume control is there -not muted. Not sure what to do? |
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| 02:25.35 | stafai | Debian seems to have hung at 5% copying packages from Disc 1, should I power off and start again? |
| 02:25.52 | stafai | it's on the last file and it's been sitting for about an hour |
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| 02:43.10 | xjkx | do translators get credits? |
| 02:43.16 | pstickne__ | how can I stop X in deb4? |
| 02:43.31 | pstickne__ | nvm, I'll just kill the xdm |
| 02:43.48 | xjkx | whats your de? :> ps -aux it |
| 02:44.06 | xjkx | you could kill xorg also |
| 02:44.41 | pstickne__ | oh, that didn't work |
| 02:44.59 | pstickne__ | it just froze with the background in place and now ctrl+alt+bksp won't kill it ^^ |
| 02:45.34 | xjkx | pstickne__: ps -aux |grep X |
| 02:45.46 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: often yes |
| 02:45.57 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: really depends on what they're translating and the maintainer if it's a package |
| 02:46.00 | pstickne__ | x is respawning O.o |
| 02:46.29 | xjkx | dondelelcaro: can they chose what to translate? like wikis or softwares? |
| 02:46.56 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: yerp |
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| 02:47.30 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: they're volunteers like everyone else, so they should work on whatever they find interesting |
| 02:47.47 | xjkx | uhmm thanks |
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| 02:51.30 | darkhmet | hi everybody! |
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| 02:51.45 | PingFloyd | pstickne__: are you just trying to access a VC? |
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| 02:51.56 | darkhmet | i have a problem with the intel pro wireless 3945 card |
| 02:52.10 | darkhmet | some one can help me? |
| 02:52.14 | pstickne__ | PingFloyd, I'm actually just trying to get out of X. I can't access the VC's (are they present?) under vmware |
| 02:52.25 | PingFloyd | pstickne__: not sure with vmware |
| 02:52.32 | pstickne__ | PingFloyd, so not sure if they are disabled or vmware is blocking the keys :( |
| 02:52.41 | PingFloyd | pstickne__: but otherwise, you can get the VCs with ctrl+alt=F# |
| 02:52.42 | darkhmet | somebody readme? |
| 02:52.54 | pstickne__ | okay, must be a vmware issue then |
| 02:53.02 | PingFloyd | pstickne__: sounds like it |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | darkhmet: what doesn't work ? |
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| 02:55.42 | darkhmet | it works abrotman |
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| 02:55.57 | abrotman | so you don't have problems ? |
| 02:56.05 | darkhmet | the problem is to start it |
| 02:56.28 | darkhmet | i need to be connected to some LAN to start the WLAN conection |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 02:56.55 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 02:57.35 | darkhmet | yeah abrotman |
| 02:57.41 | darkhmet | but |
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| 02:58.16 | darkhmet | look what happends |
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| 02:59.18 | darkhmet | when i'm not connected to a LAN, and i do iwconfig eth# essid "blah" channel # mode managed |
| 02:59.28 | darkhmet | the led turns intermitent |
| 02:59.58 | darkhmet | but if i'm in a LAN, and do the same command the led turns on, and the WLAN works |
| 03:00.07 | darkhmet | do u understand me? |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | i do .. but doesn't make sense at all |
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| 03:00.56 | bobbiac_Debian | hi |
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| 03:01.22 | abrotman | darkhmet: maybe ask #ipw2200 |
| 03:01.23 | darkhmet | i'm agree with you |
| 03:01.25 | abrotman | erm .. #ipw2100 |
| 03:01.38 | bobbiac_Debian | got a problem with debian + nvidia drivers ... this the correct channel? |
| 03:01.54 | abrotman | you can try |
| 03:02.22 | darkhmet | ok abrotman thanks u a lot |
| 03:02.23 | darkhmet | ;) |
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| 03:02.41 | gladier | hey guys - have an issue with dpkg-source, when i try to run dpkg-source -b nghost-unstable-307, it comes back saying dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 03:02.44 | abrotman | i was going to tell him they're probably sleeping :) |
| 03:03.02 | bobbiac_Debian | okay the nvidia shell complains at me, and m-a is no help |
| 03:03.15 | dondelelcaro | gladier: you've made changes to a binary or you haven't run debian/rules clean; |
| 03:03.28 | bobbiac_Debian | shell script* |
| 03:04.15 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:04.15 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 03:04.20 | abrotman | bobbiac_Debian: you tried that ? |
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| 03:05.39 | bobbiac_Debian | there is no precompiled binary for 2.6.22+ .. why would i? |
| 03:05.50 | gladier | dondelelcaro - let me get you a pastebin |
| 03:06.05 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:06.41 | bobbiac_Debian | hell the binary is stuck at foo.18 iirc |
| 03:08.22 | bobbiac_Debian | btw .. who moved the src directory AGAIN? (w/o a symlink no less) |
| 03:10.10 | bobbiac_Debian | not having at least a /src/ is annoying |
| 03:10.25 | bobbiac_Debian | err /src/ symlink* |
| 03:11.13 | gladier | dondelelcaro - http://pastebin.com/m4d215829 |
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| 03:14.17 | dondelelcaro | gladier: ok; let's back up here. Why does what you're building have a binaries in the src directory of the original tarball? |
| 03:14.42 | nvz | bobbiac_Debian: make one? |
| 03:15.20 | dondelelcaro | gladier: secondly, diff can't represent symlinks. Instead of making symlinks, you should put in the actual files (or delete the symlinks in the clean target) |
| 03:15.27 | bobbiac_Debian | nod, going to |
| 03:15.42 | nvz | bobbiac_Debian: debian adopted the FHS which doesnt outline a /srv |
| 03:15.46 | nvz | er /src |
| 03:15.53 | nvz | nor do I see any reason why it should |
| 03:16.02 | gladier | dondelcaro: there shouldnt be any symlinks, and there shouldnt be any binaries |
| 03:16.27 | pstickne__ | mkay. where are kernel headers installed these days? |
| 03:16.32 | nvz | however once you install the system how all that goes is entirely up to you.. standards are only in place to allow portability among applications and such |
| 03:16.35 | bobbiac_Debian | maybe because that's the place a decent portion of source code goes for headers? |
| 03:16.38 | dondelelcaro | gladier: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to ltmain.sh: ... dpkg-source: new version is symlink |
| 03:16.47 | dondelelcaro | gladier: and # |
| 03:16.48 | dondelelcaro | dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file src/menuclass.o |
| 03:16.51 | nvz | bobbiac_Debian: uh no? |
| 03:16.56 | abrotman | pstickne__: /usr/src/ |
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| 03:17.19 | dondelelcaro | and (non-kernel) headers don't belong in /usr/src either; they belong in /usr/include |
| 03:17.21 | pstickne__ | abrotman, except they ... aren't there. what's the way to see what files are associated with a package again? |
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| 03:17.30 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: dpkg -L foopkg; |
| 03:17.31 | abrotman | pstickne__: dpkg -S |
| 03:17.35 | nvz | bobbiac_Debian: debianized header packages would be in /usr/src/ or /usr/include/ |
| 03:18.05 | abrotman | pstickne__: dpkg -L if you know the package .. dpkg -S if you know the file and want the package name |
| 03:18.10 | nvz | this is all outlined in the FHS, which is a decent read if you aren't sure about file structure |
| 03:18.19 | bobbiac_Debian | most of the scripts look for headers in /src as default, whether the programmer of the script goes anyfuther is up to them |
| 03:18.23 | pstickne__ | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:18.26 | dondelelcaro | kernel headers are in the appropriate linux-header package corresponding to whatever kernel you're running. The generic kernel headers are in linux-libc-dev or kernel-headers |
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| 03:18.34 | pstickne__ | hmm. linux-kernel-headers shoves everything into /usr/include[/linux] |
| 03:18.36 | bobbiac_Debian | the scripts i used* |
| 03:18.38 | dondelelcaro | bobbiac_Debian: uh, no, they look in KERNEL_DIR by default |
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| 03:19.00 | gladier | dondelelcaro: let me check what part of the script is making symlinks |
| 03:19.10 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: those are the libc specific headers, not the kernel headers; (which is why they've been renamed) |
| 03:19.18 | pstickne__ | ohh |
| 03:19.40 | dondelelcaro | or /usr/include if they're not kernel modules |
| 03:19.51 | grendal_prime | hey guys. got some new optiplexs ..dells. got the integrated video on the mb. i get a sync out of reach error when i first boot up the installergui. |
| 03:19.53 | dondelelcaro | anything that is looking anywhere else (well, besides pwd) is horribly broken. |
| 03:20.46 | grendal_prime | im hoping when it is up and buit xorg will understand how to use the graphix on it. any suggestions on these machines..? |
| 03:21.32 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: X should work on them; it's probably just the video mode that the installer picked that doesn't work |
| 03:21.58 | dondelelcaro | (it probably would work with a different monitor) |
| 03:22.10 | pstickne__ | err, what source do I need to add to install the kernel headers? |
| 03:22.20 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: what are you planning on doign with them? |
| 03:22.33 | pstickne__ | required for building vmware extensions |
| 03:23.24 | pstickne__ | apt-get install kernel-headers tells me they are referenced somewhere but not findable |
| 03:24.10 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: you want the linux-headers package corresponding to whatever kernel you're running. |
| 03:24.39 | pstickne__ | gah. these names are so confusing. |
| 03:24.52 | pstickne__ | linux-headers, kernel-headers, linux-kernel-headers :( |
| 03:24.52 | dondelelcaro | that's why we have package descriptions |
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| 03:25.08 | simonrvn | that's why they changed the name of one of them ;) |
| 03:25.11 | dondelelcaro | and there are two of them now. linux-headers-*; and linux-libc6-dev; |
| 03:25.28 | dondelelcaro | (which I explained about 20 lines ago) |
| 03:25.47 | pstickne__ | then why are the others still about? |
| 03:25.54 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: what others? |
| 03:25.58 | pstickne__ | sorry. thanks for the help. :) |
| 03:26.00 | pstickne__ | the old ones. |
| 03:26.04 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: which old ones? |
| 03:26.07 | falco_toadfoot | how do I get dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to autodetect new settings and not use my old choices? |
| 03:26.11 | pstickne__ | linux-kernel-headers |
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| 03:26.24 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: that package doesn't exist |
| 03:26.35 | falco_toadfoot | just as when a fresh install of xorg is done |
| 03:26.35 | pstickne__ | is etch the new stable? |
| 03:26.44 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 03:26.58 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: well, not in testing/unstable anyway; it does in stable. |
| 03:27.05 | pstickne__ | http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/linux-kernel-headers |
| 03:27.10 | grendal_prime | dondelelcaro: i think the monitor is the issue its a 17 inch crt...kinda a weird thing these days |
| 03:27.12 | pstickne__ | ohh, nvm, gotcha |
| 03:27.14 | gladier | dondelelcaro: will having the symlinks in there cause the package to be uninstallable??? theyre only there as fillers |
| 03:27.36 | abrotman | stud |
| 03:27.52 | simonrvn | easier on the eyes than 15" |
| 03:27.53 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: yeah, it's possible that it's just not advertising specs properly |
| 03:27.54 | grendal_prime | simonrvn: crt? |
| 03:27.58 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 03:28.15 | dondelelcaro | gladier: we're talking about the source package, not the binary package yet, so installability doesn't really enter into it. |
| 03:28.17 | grendal_prime | this may even be an 18..now that i look at it..never used it for an install |
| 03:28.25 | grendal_prime | big fkr thats for sure... |
| 03:28.35 | grendal_prime | takes up an entire damn desk.. |
| 03:28.50 | dondelelcaro | that must be a small desk if an 17 or 19" monitor fills it |
| 03:29.16 | grendal_prime | anyone else using one of these? Dell Optiplex GX270 (Athens) |
| 03:29.20 | pstickne__ | some of those CRTs were absolute beasts... |
| 03:29.33 | grendal_prime | havent heard anything bad about them.. |
| 03:29.36 | simonrvn | this one is. apple multiscan |
| 03:29.42 | dondelelcaro | pstickne__: yeah, I have some of the gigantic ones |
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| 03:30.01 | stafai | how do I find out if Debian can see my graphics card? i'm having trouble installing for the first time :( |
| 03:30.01 | dondelelcaro | s/22/220/ |
| 03:30.04 | falco_toadfoot | dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg just produces the same old settings as ever |
| 03:30.14 | pstickne__ | There is a lonely, unused 21" here in the livingroom floor :p |
| 03:30.26 | grendal_prime | in the lab here i keep these nex multisync m500s theyhave nice speakers build into them..there little 16 inch but they work nice i have like 6 of them |
| 03:30.35 | grendal_prime | nec's that is |
| 03:31.05 | dondelelcaro | http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/don_lab/020_lab_desk_10232003.jpg |
| 03:31.08 | grendal_prime | in the chatsworth though i have a dell tuckaway. with trackballkeyboard..pretty sweet |
| 03:31.15 | simonrvn | falco_toadfoot: you want 'low' anyway |
| 03:31.31 | dondelelcaro | what's scary is that not much about my desk has changed in 4 years |
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| 03:31.37 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:31.40 | falco_toadfoot | simonrvn: tried that too |
| 03:31.55 | falco_toadfoot | simonrvn: it doesn't detect the (new) monitors sync ranges |
| 03:32.03 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: how good is your keyboard (resiak was wondering) |
| 03:32.08 | falco_toadfoot | simonrvn: it just puts in what I've written before :( |
| 03:32.10 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: really nice, actually |
| 03:32.15 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: good for RSI ? |
| 03:32.24 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: from what I've been told, yes... but I don't have RSI |
| 03:32.28 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: funky keyboard |
| 03:32.33 | abrotman | the keyboard prevented it! |
| 03:32.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: but you can type for a very long time on it without problems |
| 03:32.43 | falco_toadfoot | simonrvn: I've tried to find out where dpkg stores my previous choices... it's a mystery to me |
| 03:32.45 | simonrvn | your desk is cleaner than mine =) |
| 03:32.52 | grendal_prime | i got some of the fattest servers anyone has ever seen though...intel's with buit in 6 disk scsi arrays, and triple powersupplys in them...i call them fatbastard 1,2 and 3 hehehe |
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| 03:33.09 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's obvious dondelelcaro isn't a true geek .. his desk is too clean |
| 03:33.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 03:33.29 | maher | stupid bash question: why doesn't this -> for i in `ls *` ; do echo ${i#.} ; done <- do what i expect? |
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| 03:33.41 | simonrvn | oh man 2 monitors.... that must rock for stuff like gimp |
| 03:33.53 | dondelelcaro | maher: what do you expect it to do? |
| 03:33.57 | pstickne__ | grr, wth :( |
| 03:34.14 | simonrvn | falco_toadfoot: /var/lib ;) |
| 03:34.14 | Supaplex|roaming | maher: what do you expect it to do, and what is it doing instead? |
| 03:34.35 | grendal_prime | simonrvn: i have three at work..and then run synergy to my linux laptop, wich is about the only one i use.. |
| 03:34.36 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
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| 03:34.50 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: you still have that tibook? wow |
| 03:34.52 | grendal_prime | we monitor alot of stuff. |
| 03:34.58 | Supaplex|roaming | maher: ls | while read i ; do ... |
| 03:35.12 | maher | dondelelcaro: give me a list of file names throwing away the stuff before the . |
| 03:35.25 | falco_toadfoot | simonrvn: do you know where exactly? |
| 03:35.35 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, but that picture's from 2003 |
| 03:35.38 | simonrvn | falco_toadfoot: what good would this do? |
| 03:35.39 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I have a newer one now |
| 03:35.44 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: oh ok |
| 03:35.51 | pstickne__ | Is 2.6.18 source compatible with a 2.6.18-5-686 running kernel? |
| 03:36.16 | falco_toadfoot | simonrvn: it would help me generate a "pristine" config for X, just as it would have been done if the package was purged, then reinstalled |
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| 03:36.54 | simonrvn | !xmd5 |
| 03:36.54 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 03:37.03 | simonrvn | meh |
| 03:37.28 | falco_toadfoot | thanks! I'll try that |
| 03:37.34 | simonrvn | falco_toadfoot: though ^^^ that can help, if it still works |
| 03:37.46 | maher | this doesn't do it either: ls | while read i ; do echo ${i##.} ; done |
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| 03:38.46 | dugurama | hi |
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| 03:39.01 | maher | i am a dumbass |
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| 03:39.21 | grendal_prime | speaking of raid arrays anyone every set up a mylex hardware array on debian? |
| 03:39.44 | grendal_prime | its a dac960 i believe |
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| 03:40.03 | abrotman | grendal_prime: what about it ? |
| 03:40.23 | grendal_prime | i have three of them. and..well im not using any of the arrays.. |
| 03:40.34 | grendal_prime | cause umm it looks like a bitch to setup honestly |
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| 03:40.46 | abrotman | not that hard |
| 03:41.08 | simonrvn | falco_toadfoot: you'll have to edit the commands obviously |
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| 03:41.57 | falco_toadfoot | simonrvn: of course.. but that command is outdated it seems |
| 03:42.02 | grendal_prime | ill have to pick you brain some time. |
| 03:42.49 | falco_toadfoot | since dpkg-reconfigure does create a new file. |
| 03:42.59 | falco_toadfoot | even if the sums don't match |
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| 03:43.43 | falco_toadfoot | simonrvn: could the postinst script be what I'm looking for to get a autogenerated config? |
| 03:43.45 | grendal_prime | i mean asside from the usually picking that is |
| 03:44.03 | falco_toadfoot | an* |
| 03:45.06 | atoponce | i've installed package a that requires package b, but i've already installed package b from source |
| 03:45.08 | abrotman | grendal_prime: read the manual ? :) |
| 03:45.13 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 03:45.13 | dpkg | methinks equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 03:45.17 | atoponce | how can i tell apt that i don't want it, as it's already installed? |
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| 03:45.44 | cast | greetings debian users and covert ubuntu users |
| 03:48.27 | grendal_prime | abrotman: didnt get one |
| 03:48.47 | grendal_prime | they told me to haul the things off so i did..no docs with the boxes. |
| 03:48.49 | abrotman | i think they're online |
| 03:48.55 | grendal_prime | im hopping so |
| 03:49.27 | gladier | dondelelcaro: does this cause any major problems?? "dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./nghost-unstable-307' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `nghost-unstable-svn' |
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| 03:50.14 | cast | when trying to play a .wmv: "[wmv3 @ .... ]Reserved RES_SM=2 is forbidden" is this BS DRM or just a bunged wmv? |
| 03:50.42 | dondelelcaro | gladier: not in itself, no. |
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| 03:52.37 | gladier | dondelelcaro: what about if we add this to the mix dpkg-deb - error: (upstream) version (`svn') doesn't contain any digits |
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| 03:58.05 | dondelelcaro | gladier: your upstream version must contain a digit. |
| 03:58.21 | gladier | what defines an upsteam version? |
| 03:58.24 | dondelelcaro | gladier: you probably want something like 0.0.1.svn.7878-1; or something |
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| 04:01.26 | maher | i just love migrating imap folders called things like INBOX.GRANTS\ \&-\ APPLICATIONS.Funfing\ info\ <- the space on the end is a nice touch |
| 04:02.35 | Xenguy | maher: sounds like fun, yeh :-) |
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| 04:07.38 | gladier | dondelelcaro: what defines an upsteam version? |
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| 04:19.21 | prak | is there anyone who is familiar with piklab? |
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| 04:20.33 | dondelelcaro | gladier: an upstream version is everything to the left of the last - in the version |
| 04:20.47 | dondelelcaro | gladier: policy explains it slightly more verbosely |
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| 04:21.10 | dondelelcaro | gladier: but as an example, in 1.2.3.4-5 1.2.3.4 is the upstream version, 5 is the debian version |
| 04:21.10 | prak | !piklab |
| 04:21.17 | prak | !info piklab |
| 04:21.20 | dondelelcaro | prak: best to just ask your actual question |
| 04:22.26 | prak | dondelecaro: i'm having trouble installing the rpm and opening it properly right now, but i want to ask my question after checking off more dependencies |
| 04:22.48 | dondelelcaro | ugh. yeah, you're best off not even starting with the rpm unless you have no other choices. |
| 04:26.31 | harpal | I he compiled a kernel and now when I try to boot from that kernel I got request_module: runaway loop modprobe net-pf-1 |
| 04:26.42 | harpal | and my system doesnt go ahead and stops booting |
| 04:26.48 | harpal | whats problem? |
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| 04:27.15 | Bogus8 | how can I turn off cron's emailing function? |
| 04:27.42 | Bogus8 | or make postfix stop sending any users email to <user>@cox.net |
| 04:28.16 | liable | harpal: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/2/22/90 |
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| 04:29.12 | harpal | liable: its not working link |
| 04:29.36 | liable | harpal: try again, the server is farting i think, it did it to me first time too |
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| 04:30.14 | Bogus8 | and how do I turn off "mail delivery status reports" in postfix? |
| 04:30.33 | liable | harpal: it doesnt give much info about how to fix your problem though :) |
| 04:32.00 | pickcoder | harpal: include unix domain sockets instead of making them a module |
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| 04:32.48 | Xenguy | Bogus8: gee, postfix is verbose with logcheck defaults |
| 04:33.20 | Bogus8 | Xenguy: how do you mean? I just want those "reports" that get emailed to you on EVERY email turned off |
| 04:33.22 | harpal | pickcoder: how to do that? whcih module I select that as built-in |
| 04:33.42 | Xenguy | Bogus8: I know exactly what you mean :-) |
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| 04:34.08 | liable | does anyone else get three mails showing in logcheck for evry one actually sent ? |
| 04:34.25 | liable | because postfix logs to several files |
| 04:34.27 | Bogus8 | Xenguy: if they were just getting sent to my user on the system i wouldn't care, as I don't check that mail but they are being sent to my ISP email which obviously I do check |
| 04:34.44 | pickcoder | liable: what do you mean |
| 04:35.09 | pickcoder | harpal: go into the kernel config and make unix domain sockets a kernel include instead of a module |
| 04:35.12 | liable | pickcoder: if i send or recive one mail, logcheck says its three |
| 04:35.36 | pickcoder | there could be more than one entry for each application that postfix uses |
| 04:35.42 | pickcoder | qmgr/smtp/etc |
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| 04:36.08 | Xenguy | Bogus8: hrm, how odd is that |
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| 04:36.41 | pickcoder | I have no clue what logcheck is looking for |
| 04:37.06 | pickcoder | look at mailgraph, if you want statistics |
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| 04:37.42 | Bogus8 | Xenguy: well, I have canonical with my user name mapped to my ISP email set |
| 04:38.31 | Bogus8 | ok, could someone tell me what Xenguy was talking about? He said postfix is verbose with logcheck defaults |
| 04:39.08 | liable | nope |
| 04:39.12 | Bogus8 | I've googled all day for "Mail Delivery Status Report" and only thing I find are pages telling me that it will do that... or people talking about their results when running -v but no way to disable it |
| 04:39.45 | simonrvn | you don't want to disable that |
| 04:40.29 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: why not? |
| 04:40.52 | harpal | pickcoder: I have CONFIG_UNIX=y in my .config CONFIG_UNIX is Unix domain sockets |
| 04:40.53 | simonrvn | think about it |
| 04:41.04 | streuner | Why do you want a car with ONLY 3 wheels? |
| 04:41.19 | pickcoder | harpal: then make sure that you're not loading it in the modules config |
| 04:41.26 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: I honestly can't think of a reason I want postfix to tell me everytime it successfully sends an email |
| 04:41.46 | simonrvn | successfully? wtf did you do to it? |
| 04:41.57 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: nothing... default apt-get install |
| 04:42.29 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: like I stated, I set up canonical maps for my user to be my isp email but that was it |
| 04:42.35 | pickcoder | Bogus8: postfix is going to log all transactions unless you turn on verbose logging in master.cf |
| 04:42.36 | Bogus8 | and I think it was doing the reports before that even |
| 04:42.51 | harpal | pickcoder: I dont have any thing in /etc/modules except loop |
| 04:42.55 | pickcoder | then it will flood the logs with more info than you care to read on a daily basis |
| 04:43.04 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: Thanks, I'll go dig through master.cf now that I know what I'm looking for |
| 04:43.09 | pickcoder | harpal: I dunno then |
| 04:43.27 | simonrvn | oh, ding, actually, it did once, when i enabled something after... run dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 04:43.41 | simonrvn | i think it's a debconf thing |
| 04:43.51 | harpal | pickcoder: you are telling that I have to include in modules conf but I am asking you which one |
| 04:43.59 | harpal | I dont have any modules.conf |
| 04:44.03 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: I have absolutely no reason to lie to you... I installed from apt, it ran the config and I put in my info and I set up a canonical map as per cafuego's instructions last night |
| 04:44.11 | pickcoder | harpal: you don't want to load the module if it's compiled into the kernel |
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| 04:44.36 | harpal | I have compiled that modules in to kernel as my config says |
| 04:44.46 | pickcoder | ok then it may be a kernel bug |
| 04:44.52 | simonrvn | Bogus8: no it's ok, i did remember something about that |
| 04:44.55 | pickcoder | is this a debian kernel source tree? |
| 04:45.18 | harpal | I have check that on 2.6.18 and 2.6.18.1 |
| 04:45.30 | harpal | no |
| 04:46.17 | pickcoder | you are better off getting the debian source package for 2.6.18 and using make-kpkg to build a kernel deb |
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| 04:46.32 | pickcoder | I honestly have no idea why it's looping |
| 04:46.59 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: so it WILL email everything UNLESS you turn ON verbose? (that seems contrare on the surface)... |
| 04:47.05 | Bogus8 | and I can't see where I would set that either |
| 04:47.08 | pickcoder | if you're compiling a vanilla kernel, then you may have more luck on the kernel mailing list |
| 04:47.11 | harpal | but I would like to apply patch? can I apply patch in kpkg? |
| 04:47.27 | Bogus8 | man file doesn't mention anything about a verbose setting in master just a -v flag when running it I believe |
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| 04:47.30 | pickcoder | harpal: yes |
| 04:47.42 | pickcoder | no guarantees that it won't break the kernel |
| 04:47.51 | pickcoder | which is true for any patch |
| 04:48.11 | harpal | actually I have applied patch for openswan |
| 04:48.13 | pickcoder | Bogus8: postfix logs mail information by default |
| 04:48.27 | pickcoder | I don't know what the issue is |
| 04:48.47 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I get a "Mail Delivery Status Report" emailed to me everytime I send an email (sucessful or not) |
| 04:48.57 | harpal | and I have compiled that kernel 2 or 3 times with 2.6.18.1 and now my hardware change should it cause problem? |
| 04:49.33 | harpal | anyway thanx a lot |
| 04:49.42 | liable | Bogus8: which program is snding this? |
| 04:49.45 | pickcoder | Bogus8: pastebin your master.cf |
| 04:49.49 | pickcoder | and your main.cf |
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| 04:50.16 | Bogus8 | liable: postfix |
| 04:50.29 | pickcoder | harpal: I've seen drive changes mentioned that caused unix domain looping, but that could be totally false |
| 04:51.15 | pickcoder | harpal: enable kernel debugging if you really want to know what's going on |
| 04:51.42 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: http://www.pastebin.ca/677585 |
| 04:51.59 | harpal | how to enable that? I have to enable from config? |
| 04:52.06 | harpal | and recompile that again? |
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| 04:52.25 | pickcoder | yes |
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| 04:52.41 | pickcoder | it's a pain, but if you have to have that patch, you may have to debug the problem yourself |
| 04:53.20 | prak | dondelelcaro: are you still there? |
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| 04:54.24 | streuner | !ask |
| 04:54.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 04:55.40 | pibe86 | hello, some one have a how to mount ntfs in debian testing |
| 04:55.42 | pibe86 | ? |
| 04:55.56 | pickcoder | Bogus8: main.cf is fine, what about master.cf? |
| 04:56.06 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: coming up |
| 04:56.12 | pickcoder | ok |
| 04:56.13 | streuner | pibe86: /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 04:57.05 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: http://www.pastebin.ca/677588 |
| 04:57.24 | pibe86 | streuner, sorry, i did not understand you, where do i write that |
| 04:57.26 | pibe86 | ? |
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| 04:58.00 | pickcoder | Bogus8: are you sure it's not coming from mailman? |
| 04:58.00 | streuner | pibe86: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:58.28 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: umm, i use mail (mailx) to send via cli |
| 04:59.08 | Bogus8 | from all my googling it seems postfix |
| 04:59.43 | streuner | pibe86: in a shell |
| 05:00.13 | pibe86 | streuner, thanks, i am new in debian, i used ubuntu |
| 05:00.26 | pickcoder | what commandline are you using to send the mail? |
| 05:00.27 | pibe86 | but it makes all for me, and i dont like that |
| 05:00.51 | streuner | pibe86: libc6 in a shell and /msg dpkg nfts in your irc-client |
| 05:00.56 | prak | !ask |
| 05:00.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:00.57 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I ensure that I have a known "identity" (aka pgp key), but not require the private key be present on every machine I visit? |
| 05:01.02 | Bogus8 | echo blah |mail -s subject email@address.com |
| 05:01.16 | pibe86 | ok |
| 05:01.19 | pickcoder | hm |
| 05:01.31 | Arafangion | Do I have to purchase special equipement - if so, is it generally cheap and where should I get it from? |
| 05:02.41 | pickcoder | Bogus8: is exim still installed? |
| 05:02.59 | pibe86 | streuner, dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 and get 'ii write ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 05:03.19 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: only other change was making canonical with "Bogus8 real@email.address" |
| 05:03.33 | streuner | pibe86: ok, just read the factoid about ntfs |
| 05:04.14 | pibe86 | ok |
| 05:04.14 | pibe86 | let me see |
| 05:04.14 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: no exim is not installed... never was |
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| 05:04.55 | pickcoder | I dunno man.. mail delivery status is normally done from the mail tool |
| 05:05.00 | pibe86 | streuner, me dice que solo el usuario root puede acceder a ella |
| 05:05.18 | pibe86 | pero coloque cdmod 777 /media/mintfs |
| 05:05.23 | pibe86 | y aun no me deja |
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| 05:05.26 | pibe86 | debo reiniciar ? |
| 05:05.55 | streuner | english please |
| 05:06.12 | pibe86 | streuner, sorry |
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| 05:06.37 | pibe86 | streuner, it says only root can acsses |
| 05:06.46 | pickcoder | ask in #postfix |
| 05:06.49 | pickcoder | I'm out of ideas |
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| 05:06.59 | pickcoder | rob0 may know |
| 05:07.00 | pibe86 | so i write chmod 777 /media/mintfs, and it still not working |
| 05:07.14 | pickcoder | if he's around |
| 05:07.19 | pibe86 | access* |
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| 05:08.02 | pibe86 | streuner, now it works as a root |
| 05:08.26 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: fyi http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_REWRITING_README.html#debugging |
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| 05:09.15 | Bogus8 | know how to stop cron from emailing? |
| 05:09.31 | pibe86 | streuner, how can i maje that other usuer see that unit ? |
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| 05:09.46 | pickcoder | Bogus8: I'm aware of the debugging |
| 05:10.00 | pickcoder | you aren't passed verbose logging to mail so I dunno where it's coming from |
| 05:10.12 | pickcoder | ~passing |
| 05:10.15 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: i thought you were thinking it was mailx doing it posssibly |
| 05:11.07 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: fix your scripts so they don't output, or set MAILTO; man crontab; for details. |
| 05:11.23 | jair | hey guys, how can I run a test on the terminal to see if alsa is installed correctly on my debian server? |
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| 05:11.47 | streuner | pibe86: out of curisity why do you want that EVERY user has access to that partition? |
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| 05:12.10 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: I did set MAILTO<junk user> but postfix is trying to send that to <junk user>@cox.net |
| 05:12.16 | dondelelcaro | jair: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 05:12.26 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: read man 5 crontab; again. |
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| 05:12.30 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: I know I got several problems causing this... just trying to slowly sort them all out |
| 05:12.35 | pibe86 | streuner, i am the only user , but i dont want to enter as a root to see that unit |
| 05:12.36 | pickcoder | Bogus8: $mydomain |
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| 05:13.15 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: there is one and only one paragraph that talks about MAILTO, and it has a very important sentence in it. |
| 05:13.16 | jair | dondelelcaro: will this give me any sound output ? |
| 05:13.31 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: thanks.. don't know HOW I missed that MAILTO="" I swear I read that... though it was 8am and I had been up all night |
| 05:13.48 | dondelelcaro | jair: if you've brought up your levels and have something that can make the sound audible, yes. |
| 05:13.53 | streuner | !tell pibe86 about ntfs |
| 05:14.12 | pibe86 | streuner, what ? |
| 05:14.12 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: though you really want to fix your scripts so they don't produce output; being mailed output on error is kind of useful. |
| 05:14.16 | jair | dondelelcaro: hahaha wow! I get scared hahhaha |
| 05:14.29 | streuner | !ntfs |
| 05:14.29 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 05:14.29 | jair | dondelelcaro: that was loud |
| 05:14.45 | dondelelcaro | jair: it's just random noise, but yeah. your sound works then. |
| 05:14.54 | jair | haha |
| 05:15.09 | jair | dondelelcaro: why when I am paying a video on youtube does not sound then ? |
| 05:15.11 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: agreed... but honestly it's a simple wget script... and yes, I'm about to start reading about error capturing |
| 05:15.15 | jair | do I need to restart firefox? |
| 05:15.16 | streuner | pibe86: look the factoid again, "umask=022,gid=xxx" in /etc/fstab |
| 05:15.21 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: -q is your friend |
| 05:16.17 | pibe86 | streuner, yes i have this line '/dev/sda1 /media/mintfs ntfs r,user umask=022,gid=xxx 0 0' |
| 05:16.25 | prak | !ask |
| 05:16.25 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:17.19 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: is that POSIX wide? or just MOST apps |
| 05:17.25 | Bogus8 | dondelelcaro: I know it means "quiet" |
| 05:17.27 | pickcoder | Bogus8: I don't remember you stating that cron was involved |
| 05:17.48 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: it's a seperate incedent... I got a couple things going on here :) |
| 05:18.00 | Bogus8 | uncovered all sorts of fun things after setting up postfix :) |
| 05:18.23 | streuner | pibe86: run in a shell as <user> "id" |
| 05:19.21 | pickcoder | all cronjobs will report output of the jobs via e-mail |
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| 05:19.42 | pickcoder | so redirect it or assign the mailto based on job |
| 05:20.19 | pibe86 | streuner, sorry, i did not understand you |
| 05:20.32 | karsten | jair: Check your mixers: aumix, alsamixer |
| 05:20.40 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: i just set it to ="" as I don't want to get it... with postfix it's trying to append any user name to cox.net and send it out |
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| 05:21.01 | Bogus8 | luckly my other user name doesn't exist on cox's site or I'd be spamming them I probably never know ;) |
| 05:21.31 | jair | karsten: I just needed to restart firefox :) |
| 05:21.46 | jair | karsten: thank you very much. working great now :) |
| 05:21.53 | jair | dondelelcaro: Thank you very kuch |
| 05:21.54 | jair | much |
| 05:22.21 | streuner | pibe86: run a shell (xterm or similar), login as "camilo", simply run "id" and use the output of "id" in /etc/fstab |
| 05:22.44 | streuner | after that, re-mount |
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| 05:23.39 | pibe86 | streuner, 'id' uid=1000(camilo) gid=1000(camilo) grupos=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),106(netdev),109(powerdev),1000(camilo |
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| 05:25.27 | Arafangion | streuner: Damn, what's wrong with a good bit 'o spoon feeding? |
| 05:25.54 | liable | feed me! |
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| 05:26.04 | streuner | !feed liable |
| 05:26.26 | liable | pibe86: add uid=1000 and gid=100 to your fstab line like the factoid says |
| 05:26.35 | liable | heh |
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| 05:27.07 | streuner | pibe86: uid=1000, gid=1000 |
| 05:28.06 | Quintin | I got spoonfed today. it's pretty great |
| 05:29.01 | pibe86 | streuner, it opens the unit, but i cant see it |
| 05:29.05 | Quintin | liable, hah, nothing like that. just going out for ice cream with a girl :P |
| 05:29.14 | pibe86 | streuner, do i have to restart ? |
| 05:29.30 | streuner | pibe86: what does the mount command about that partition say? |
| 05:29.31 | liable | pibe86: paste your fstab line |
| 05:30.00 | pibe86 | /dev/sda1 /media/mintfs ntfs defaults,rw,user, uid=1000, gid = 1000 0 0 |
| 05:31.28 | liable | looks ok |
| 05:32.01 | pibe86 | liable, yes it looks ok, but only show files as a root |
| 05:32.21 | liable | pibe86: did you remount it? |
| 05:32.28 | pibe86 | liable, |
| 05:32.30 | pibe86 | no |
| 05:32.38 | pibe86 | how, mount ... |
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| 05:33.08 | liable | do so, mount -o remount /media/mintfs |
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| 05:33.54 | mjoseph | hey folks |
| 05:34.08 | pibe86 | liable, it says its protected against writer |
| 05:34.24 | dalias | hi, anyone here familiar with trouble using gnash (free flash implementation) to play youtube and other videos on debian? |
| 05:34.26 | pibe86 | only can be read |
| 05:34.33 | mjoseph | if somehow you end up with totally screwed up list of pending actions in aptitude, is there a way to "forget" the queued actions? |
| 05:34.40 | streuner | pibe86: that's fine |
| 05:34.47 | pibe86 | streuner, ok |
| 05:35.21 | pibe86 | do i have to restart my pc? |
| 05:35.29 | streuner | no |
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| 05:36.19 | pibe86 | streuner, my gparted says it is mount |
| 05:36.24 | pibe86 | mounted* |
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| 05:38.50 | prak | i have a problem with installing piklab; i'm running kubuntu 7.04. i've tried to install piklab-0.14.5-1mdv2007.0.i586.rpm and then use alien to convert it to deb file from piklab's sourceforge webiste, but i can't run the program after installation |
| 05:38.57 | prak | the output is shown in http://www.pastebin.ca/677618 |
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| 05:39.17 | liable | prak: ask #ubuntu :) |
| 05:39.23 | Throat | streuner: of course... the solution to *every* problem is restarting the PC without saving any important data 1st... dilbert never lies! |
| 05:39.24 | prak | i have also installed all the dependencies as described in the online documentation in http://piklab.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Compilation_for_Linux |
| 05:41.10 | Throat | who do I ask, if I got a mixture of ubuntu and debian packages and totally messed the system up that way? |
| 05:41.34 | streuner | because you prolly dont know better |
| 05:41.36 | streuner | ? |
| 05:42.00 | streuner | prak: ask in #(k)ubuntu |
| 05:42.26 | prak | liable, streuner: doing so right now |
| 05:42.41 | streuner | if you going to use rpm's deal with that stuff yourself |
| 05:43.20 | prak | there's a tarball version and rpm version only |
| 05:43.29 | prak | had the same problems dealing with tarballs as well |
| 05:45.07 | liable | prak: let the maintainer know then |
| 05:45.14 | pibe86 | streuner, i umount that unir |
| 05:45.25 | pibe86 | and write this at de console, mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 |
| 05:45.29 | pibe86 | now it works |
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| 05:45.59 | streuner | !congratulate pibe86 |
| 05:46.00 | dpkg | Nice one pibe86, you did it! |
| 05:46.13 | pibe86 | streuner, thanks |
| 05:46.51 | pibe86 | last question can i write 'mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222' on my fstab ? |
| 05:47.31 | dalias | no, you write |
| 05:47.36 | mazzanet | no |
| 05:48.03 | dalias | /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs nls=utf8,umask=0222 0 0 |
| 05:48.06 | dalias | however |
| 05:48.26 | dalias | nls=utf8 is supposedly problematic. the man pages (iirc) say to omit "nls" for utf8 and instead use the utf8 option |
| 05:49.17 | dalias | btw, i like fmask=333 and dmask=222 |
| 05:49.33 | dalias | to get rid of the stupid executable bit on windows files (which are obviously not executable) |
| 05:51.53 | cast | don't use a umask=0 |
| 05:52.11 | dalias | ? |
| 05:52.24 | Gokee2 | Anyone happen to know the number in cfdisk for ext3? I can`t seem to find it in its list... It say things like "Linux" and "Linux extended" is one of the ones like that ext3? |
| 05:52.33 | Gokee2 | says* |
| 05:52.55 | cast | dalias: google for how umasks work. |
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| 05:53.33 | cast | Gokee2: use the default, prob 83 |
| 05:54.01 | Gokee2 | cast, Ok that one just says "linux". Thanks :) |
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| 05:54.39 | dalias | yeah, the partition type code is actually irrelevant |
| 05:54.49 | dalias | except that some partitioning tools and OS installer programs look at it |
| 05:55.00 | dalias | but linux itself doesn't care |
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| 05:55.20 | Gokee2 | This is a spare drive so I need it to be right to store my files :) |
| 05:55.33 | cast | Gokee2: random note: lvm is neat. |
| 05:55.40 | Gokee2 | lvm? |
| 05:55.47 | cast | linux volume manager |
| 05:55.54 | cast | or logical volume manager, actually |
| 05:55.57 | cast | i forget. |
| 05:56.07 | streuner | !lvm |
| 05:56.07 | dpkg | from memory, lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 05:56.28 | cast | !lvm_tutorial |
| 05:56.28 | dpkg | well, lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
| 05:56.28 | kingsley | Is there a web page that explains how to configure apt-get to install "unstable" packages by default, but "experimental" packages when "apt-get -t experimental install <package-name>" is used? If so, what's the URL? |
| 05:56.37 | cast | oh, i was hoping it would be the entire tut :< |
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| 05:56.51 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.51 | cast | APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 05:57.10 | cast | kingsley: something like that^ obviously changed for your need.. |
| 05:57.50 | cast | not that i think you should be running a unstable/experimental system...but i will gladly help you on your path to hell! |
| 05:57.57 | Gokee2 | Hmm I am in a command prompt right now in a sec I will go look at the url :) |
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| 05:58.53 | streuner | kingsley: why not just use a backport if needed, it wouldnt use the nasty "pinning"...? |
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| 05:59.35 | kingsley | streuner: I need a patch that's so new it hasn' |
| 05:59.46 | kingsley | streuner: I need a patch that's so new that it hasn't been packaged yet. |
| 06:00.04 | streuner | kingsley: there is always "/msg dpkg simple sid backport"... |
| 06:00.07 | cast | if it hasn't been packaged how is it in experimental :| |
| 06:00.20 | streuner | good question |
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| 06:02.04 | kingsley | cast: The patch can be applied to experimental's source code. |
| 06:03.36 | cast | what is the patch for? |
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| 06:03.51 | streuner | well, did you try to contact the maint about? |
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| 06:04.18 | Decepticon | the patch can be used to avoid pregnancy too |
| 06:04.26 | cast | whats the criteria for experimental->unstable? |
| 06:04.34 | cast | [to allow a pkg to move from] |
| 06:04.51 | streuner | well, unstable is unstable and experimental is NOT even unstable... |
| 06:05.03 | cast | do experimental pkgs work? |
| 06:05.13 | streuner | sometimes, sometimes NOT |
| 06:05.14 | kingsley | cast: It fixes a bug in gnumeric. |
| 06:05.33 | cast | personally |
| 06:05.50 | streuner | cast: just listen what "aba" said about at debconf6 (or such) |
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| 06:06.17 | streuner | after that you have some doubts if you should use experiemental pkgs or not :-) |
| 06:07.03 | cast | kingsley: and has that bug been fixed in the latest gnumeric release/cvs? |
| 06:07.40 | kingsley | cast: No. |
| 06:08.22 | cast | must be a matter of days before gnumeric incorporate the fix |
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| 06:11.01 | kexman | hello |
| 06:11.04 | kexman | any gnome fanatics around ? |
| 06:11.58 | cast | not so many as in #gnome |
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| 06:12.38 | streuner | kexman: did you get the message of chanserv? |
| 06:13.09 | kexman | cast, streuner been asking around in ##gnome forever |
| 06:13.12 | kexman | no reply |
| 06:13.25 | kexman | okay sorry |
| 06:13.34 | cast | ahh. maybe their channel is on oftc? |
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| 06:13.59 | streuner | Channel Nutzer Thema |
| 06:14.00 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.12 | kexman | well my prob is that every time i login i get this nasty nautilus window that shows me the users homedir |
| 06:15.17 | kexman | and i cant get rid of it |
| 06:15.25 | kexman | maybe ill need to google for it :) |
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| 06:16.32 | Coweater | sounds like you saved your session with it open |
| 06:16.36 | \amethyst | kexman: look in gnome-session-properties ("Sessions" in Control Center) |
| 06:16.56 | kexman | :) well i use xfce + nautilus :) |
| 06:17.05 | streuner | cast: what do you use, btw (WM)? |
| 06:17.06 | kexman | Coweater, xfce saves session |
| 06:17.14 | kexman | but it doesnt affects nautilus |
| 06:17.39 | cast | e16.8.9 with compositing turned on |
| 06:18.40 | Coweater | what do you mean by "ugly"? |
| 06:18.46 | Coweater | er nasty |
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| 06:23.10 | omg0 | I am thinking about getting network administrator certificate. Anyone have a recommendation. |
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| 06:24.43 | dalias | if you go for that sort of bullshit just get the biggest bs one, MCSE :) |
| 06:24.59 | omg0 | lol |
| 06:25.13 | omg0 | just trying to get a job |
| 06:25.14 | Coweater | cisco certs |
| 06:25.55 | omg0 | Coweater, I need a simulator. Know where I can find one> |
| 06:26.15 | Coweater | they provide one with the course stuff i thought |
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| 06:36.24 | liable | the .18 kernel seems to be getting quite a few security upgrades |
| 06:37.19 | cast | indeed |
| 06:37.35 | grendal_prime | by the way those optiplexes work great..for anynone looking for a quick machine easy build...everything seems to work just peachy...dell optiplex gx720's (200 bucks on ebay) |
| 06:37.48 | cast | grendal_prime: specs for 200$? |
| 06:38.40 | grendal_prime | 512 megs of ram, intel shared video, 40 gigs of hd, everything is onboard..nic...soundcard, video...all works with an etch install. |
| 06:38.54 | Gokee2 | Hmm lvm does look rather cool... I don`t think its really needed for my desktop yet though :) Although I would have been rather tempted back when I had 5-6 hard drives all in at the same time |
| 06:39.22 | grendal_prime | that also has cd writer..no dvd..but im buying a couple of those tomorro |
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| 06:39.51 | grendal_prime | i had it playing 4 movies (avi) at ones..all the vidoe and sound for all 4 movies was flawless) |
| 06:40.02 | grendal_prime | pretty cool |
| 06:40.08 | grendal_prime | its a 2.4 prob too |
| 06:40.30 | grendal_prime | proc i mean |
| 06:40.47 | grendal_prime | Im gonna buy a couple more i think for the warehouse |
| 06:40.57 | grendal_prime | type at yaall later... peace out... |
| 06:40.59 | grendal_prime | im out.. |
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| 06:41.54 | cast | Gokee2: well, the snapshotting is pretty handy |
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| 06:43.36 | liable | always nice when i can log back in :) |
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| 06:46.18 | Gokee2 | GRRR xorg died again! |
| 06:47.28 | cast | you don't need x. |
| 06:48.43 | Gokee2 | It keeps going to 99.8 or so CPU usage and stays there and nothing else will work. Now my virtual terminals don`t work. I use to be able to make them work by sshing in as root starting a x server and closing it |
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| 06:50.27 | Gokee2 | I like x, its really handy |
| 06:50.36 | cast | wait |
| 06:50.40 | cast | you ssh in as root and start x? |
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| 06:51.45 | Gokee2 | That get the computer to start responding localy... Other then sshing in to and starting x I can`t do anything at the local homputer |
| 06:51.51 | Gokee2 | computer* |
| 06:51.58 | Gokee2 | gets* |
| 06:52.15 | cast | your computer sounds fucked in some amusing way |
| 06:52.20 | Gokee2 | My normal keyboard is on the computer with the failing xserver :/ |
| 06:52.43 | Gokee2 | It was ok back when it only did it once in a blue moon.... |
| 06:53.23 | Gokee2 | Now that it does it ever 20-30 min and even after starting and closing x as root from ssh its still not working so I need to reboot its ketting really unfun |
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| 06:53.36 | Gokee2 | getting* |
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| 06:53.55 | cast | i think you should fix whatevers failing |
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| 06:55.05 | Gokee2 | To do that I would need to know what it failing |
| 06:55.48 | Gokee2 | Although I have been having more problems with the nvidia driver in the past few days |
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| 07:01.40 | Gokee2 | :( |
| 07:01.55 | Gokee2 | It seems every time I buy a drive I lose more space |
| 07:02.13 | troubled | Hey guys, quick question. I have this program I downloaded that doesnt seem to run. The program is called bdoorkit-2.6a. It is supposed to protect you from some kind of hacker attack I guess. I tried running it as root like it told me, but the only thing it says is: "Creating /dev/ubpwnt...done." and I can't fine anything running, nor that device file. Anyone help? |
| 07:02.15 | cast | anywhere know a streaming music video site? [that i can watch with mplayer] |
| 07:02.15 | Gokee2 | I bought a 320 gig drive and ended up with 294G |
| 07:02.29 | PingFloyd | Gokee2: reserved blocks maybe |
| 07:02.37 | simonrvn | troubled: uh |
| 07:02.42 | cast | youyou got your GB, you were just expecting gibiB |
| 07:02.43 | PingFloyd | Gokee2: it's %5 by default |
| 07:02.43 | Gokee2 | PingFloyd, Just set them to 0 |
| 07:02.58 | simonrvn | !lart troubled |
| 07:03.09 | troubled | ;) heya |
| 07:03.10 | Gokee2 | its the 191 MB of space thats used up that really annoys me |
| 07:03.23 | cast | Gokee2: and how many % is that ;) |
| 07:03.27 | Gokee2 | (And the fact hard drive makers undersell you |
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| 07:03.53 | Gokee2 | cast, Like er df |
| 07:04.00 | Gokee2 | heh checking |
| 07:04.05 | cast | Gokee2: you never get near 100% anyway, filesystems start to suck as they get close to 100% |
| 07:04.22 | simonrvn | they count it as Giga, and the OS does it as Gibi |
| 07:04.36 | simonrvn | or something |
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| 07:04.59 | simonrvn | troubled: happy 1st of sept. (!) :P |
| 07:04.59 | cast | i'm with the HD companies on this one...G is e9 |
| 07:05.16 | troubled | simonrvn: ty, u2 :) |
| 07:05.30 | troubled | simonrvn: should be an interesting month as always |
| 07:05.32 | Gokee2 | Well it looks like 6.49 E-4 percent |
| 07:05.34 | Gokee2 | lol |
| 07:05.40 | Gokee2 | It still annoyes me |
| 07:06.03 | simonrvn | troubled: i have 3 events (at least) going this month. aug. for me was damned quiet |
| 07:06.13 | PingFloyd | there's also metadata, journal etc |
| 07:06.22 | simonrvn | missed a whole bunch of pow-wows :( |
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| 07:06.51 | \amethyst | Gokee2: 320 GB = 298 GiB, so 4GiB taken up by accounting, journal, what have you |
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| 07:07.27 | Gokee2 | \amethyst, Ah... Why so much on a empty drive? |
| 07:07.39 | troubled | simonrvn: can't say ive ever been to a pow-wow myself. odd though considering I did live in a town with many indians up north manitoba |
| 07:07.49 | Gokee2 | WIll it grow a lot? |
| 07:07.54 | simonrvn | troubled: oh yeh, where at? |
| 07:07.55 | \amethyst | Gokee2: probably stuff that's proportional to the size of the FS... what filesystem? |
| 07:08.04 | troubled | simonrvn: flin flon, mb |
| 07:08.04 | Gokee2 | ext3 |
| 07:08.13 | simonrvn | root's space is 5%, gotta count that... |
| 07:08.22 | Gokee2 | I got ride of roots space |
| 07:08.23 | \amethyst | Gokee2: inode tables, probably, then, and maybe reserved partitions |
| 07:08.25 | Gokee2 | rid* |
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| 07:08.38 | simonrvn | troubled: ooh, ok. yueh, buncha communities up there... inter-lake region, right? |
| 07:08.49 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:08.51 | PingFloyd | 4GB isn't much relative to that size |
| 07:08.55 | simonrvn | lakes* |
| 07:09.01 | PingFloyd | seems about proportional |
| 07:09.12 | \amethyst | 4GB is about 1% |
| 07:09.24 | Gokee2 | Still its like half a session of okish quality tv |
| 07:09.33 | simonrvn | so for sure metadata. not big deal |
| 07:09.38 | troubled | simonrvn: inter-lake doesnt ring a bell (havent been since like '94'ish) |
| 07:09.49 | PingFloyd | pretty much just chock it up to filesystem overhead |
| 07:09.53 | \amethyst | Gokee2: default inode_ratio is 8192 |
| 07:10.10 | simonrvn | troubled: area between lakes manitoba winnipeg, and south of there |
| 07:10.27 | simonrvn | PingFloyd: yeh |
| 07:10.52 | troubled | simonrvn: ahh. well, flin flon is like 6hours north of winnipeg. even further than The Pas. very remote |
| 07:11.14 | graytron | my etch has some problems with aptitude man page, showing a few "\fB" and "\fR" strings all around |
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| 07:11.23 | \amethyst | Gokee2: one 128-byte inode per 8192 bytes of disk works out to almost exactly 4GB, so that's it |
| 07:11.25 | simonrvn | troubled: what were you doing up there anyway? got relatives there? work? |
| 07:11.31 | cast | \amethyst: when you fix that tell me how.. |
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| 07:11.47 | \amethyst | cast: fix what? |
| 07:11.47 | troubled | simonrvn: living, school. and of course lots of weed smoking and partying with buddies :) |
| 07:11.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:11.57 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:11.58 | graytron | my etch has some problems with aptitude man page, showing a few "\fB" and "\fR" strings all around. how to fix it? |
| 07:12.13 | cast | my bad |
| 07:12.16 | PingFloyd | was something broken? |
| 07:12.17 | \amethyst | Gokee2: look at the largefile and largefile4 options |
| 07:12.19 | cast | graytron: when you fix that tell me how... |
| 07:12.23 | simonrvn | graytron: those are (g,t)roff codes... |
| 07:12.39 | graytron | simonrvn: thanks! |
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| 07:12.57 | graytron | simonrvn: no.. still doesn't work |
| 07:13.00 | troubled | simonrvn: you would be amazed at how great it is to be in the "bush" up there. The lakes and trees and the general scenery are something for sure. although just dont expect to find a walmart near by |
| 07:13.04 | simonrvn | Gokee2: how much did that run you anyway? |
| 07:13.09 | PingFloyd | oh.. yeah, I get that same thing in the aptitude manual too |
| 07:13.17 | graytron | simonrvn ;) |
| 07:13.28 | simonrvn | graytron: you silly :) |
| 07:13.39 | simonrvn | troubled: i love the bush |
| 07:13.49 | simonrvn | i miss it |
| 07:13.53 | troubled | same |
| 07:13.58 | graytron | george? |
| 07:14.00 | simonrvn | yeh, that bush too ;) |
| 07:14.21 | simonrvn | but not george |
| 07:15.04 | simonrvn | gwb is a war criminal |
| 07:15.20 | graytron | indeed |
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| 07:15.53 | Gokee2 | simonrvn, $64.87 with tax |
| 07:15.55 | \amethyst | Gokee2: mkfs -O largefile will use only 36MB or so, and will be fine as large as you don't reach 300,000 files |
| 07:16.01 | simonrvn | Gokee2: usd? |
| 07:16.14 | Gokee2 | Ya |
| 07:16.34 | Gokee2 | (.2024357 per gig) |
| 07:16.37 | simonrvn | so about 70 can |
| 07:16.46 | simonrvn | maybe 72 |
| 07:16.59 | simonrvn | i guess that's ide... probably more for scsi |
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| 07:17.09 | Gokee2 | Maxter 7200 16 MB cache and a three year warranty |
| 07:17.20 | simonrvn | 7200 rpm? |
| 07:17.22 | Gokee2 | Ya ide |
| 07:17.35 | simonrvn | meh, too slow :P |
| 07:17.36 | Gokee2 | Yep |
| 07:17.40 | Gokee2 | Heh |
| 07:17.45 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 07:18.05 | simonrvn | my wife's box needs a drive, to install linux on |
| 07:18.08 | Gokee2 | For mass storage its great also I don`t have the $$$ to but a faster one |
| 07:18.28 | troubled | simonrvn: same :) |
| 07:18.32 | simonrvn | oh yeh, that's not a bad speed actually |
| 07:18.41 | Gokee2 | I kinda want a faster one for my root part but have never forked over the money for one |
| 07:18.55 | graytron | simonrvn: your wife's box needs a drive? interesting |
| 07:19.02 | simonrvn | 15K rpm if you're doing server stuff |
| 07:19.10 | tsocks_ | [OT]: is anybody from Miami? I need i big favor ... :( |
| 07:19.17 | simonrvn | well, there are some already, but like 2 GB |
| 07:19.37 | simonrvn | a 9 GB ide, and a 4 Gb scsi... |
| 07:20.09 | simonrvn | was thinking of getting something in the 60-70$ price range |
| 07:21.11 | troubled | Gokee2: only a 3year? i swear everything these days is like 5yrs |
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| 07:22.46 | cast | find ~/|wc -l -> 77261 |
| 07:23.09 | cast | thats only 62gb out of 250 too |
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| 07:23.50 | cast | ahh i have a 20gb file in there :) |
| 07:23.53 | Gokee2 | troubled, Ya, my last one was a 5 yr, I thought of getting a newegg one but this was about the same price (little less in the 320 gig range) and I could play with it right away |
| 07:24.40 | troubled | Gokee2: would you have really saved much from newegg though? |
| 07:24.50 | troubled | cast: ahh, gotta hate forgetting about those :) |
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| 07:26.04 | Gokee2 | troubled, Not on a 320, on a 400 the per gig was a little cheaper (.0024357 per gig) then this was |
| 07:26.27 | cast | to many 0's |
| 07:26.34 | tusus | a ka shqiptar ketu a jo |
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| 07:27.07 | troubled | cast: if only... |
| 07:27.43 | troubled | cast: thats like what, 1tb per tooney? :) |
| 07:28.16 | mike | Debian have a live cd? |
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| 07:28.25 | cast | mike: did you try to google for debian live cd |
| 07:28.31 | mike | yep |
| 07:28.41 | mike | Sidux |
| 07:28.44 | cast | lol. odd. well it does. |
| 07:28.44 | dbmoodb | oh cool |
| 07:28.45 | mike | Mepis |
| 07:28.55 | cast | live.debian.org |
| 07:28.58 | mike | Installable,, |
| 07:29.05 | mike | cheers |
| 07:29.05 | cast | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ ahh try that |
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| 07:30.09 | cast | my google hits are personalized....it seems a common theme that if i type someones question into google i get a relevent answer in the first 3 hits but but they don't |
| 07:30.19 | troubled | !listvalues live cd |
| 07:30.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'live cd' by value (6): xfld ;; whax ;; whoppix ;; be kanotix barbie ;; gparted ;; knoppix. |
| 07:30.26 | cast | [live.debian.org was wrong...live.debian.net is right, but go to http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ either way] |
| 07:30.26 | mike | cast, i seen this but could not find any info on how to install |
| 07:30.37 | troubled | no factoid for that? or under live cd perhaps? |
| 07:30.47 | cast | !debian-live |
| 07:30.47 | dpkg | debian-live is probably in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 07:30.53 | troubled | k |
| 07:31.07 | cast | !listvalues livecd |
| 07:31.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'livecd' by value (9): elive ;; mepis ;; tarzeau ;; qnx ;; phlak ;; newbie-guide ;; xlivecd ;; live cd ;; livecd. |
| 07:31.21 | troubled | wtf is tarzeau doing in there :) |
| 07:31.28 | cast | livecd is what you want |
| 07:31.53 | troubled | nah, was just wondering about the debian livecd specifically, debian-live was what i was after |
| 07:32.07 | troubled | although.... |
| 07:32.07 | cast | ahh. |
| 07:32.12 | troubled | !tarzeau |
| 07:32.12 | dpkg | hmm... tarzeau is http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
| 07:32.13 | cast | livecd mentions it too :> |
| 07:32.19 | troubled | hmmm |
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| 07:34.36 | simonrvn | damog: kwe kwe |
| 07:34.39 | mike | cast, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ,,I do not see install instructions? |
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| 07:35.01 | simonrvn | damog: hehe :D |
| 07:35.10 | cast | mike: its a livecd...you make it and burn it or download it and burn it |
| 07:35.14 | simonrvn | mike: it's a FAQ, not an install manual |
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| 07:35.42 | simonrvn | hrm, that sounds like something dr. mccoy would say... |
| 07:35.51 | cast | hah. |
| 07:36.03 | simonrvn | "I'm a FAQ, not a brick layer!" |
| 07:36.06 | cast | i'm a doctor not a ..somethingsomething |
| 07:36.26 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:36.37 | mike | No in damn staller!\ |
| 07:37.06 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 07:38.32 | mike | I see the kde,iso but no installer is like shopping with no money |
| 07:38.36 | cast | mike: really what are you trying to do |
| 07:38.46 | cast | mike: do you want to install debian, is that it? |
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| 07:39.27 | mike | Run a live cd "Debian stable" ,check h/ware compatibility and if all good ,,install\ |
| 07:39.44 | dutchfish | !kde |
| 07:39.44 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde, or ask me about <kde_trouble> |
| 07:39.48 | mike | eg:sidux,mepis,elive |
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| 07:41.02 | mike | The lack of an installer is no fault of "kde' :) |
| 07:41.45 | dutchfish | mike, explain me ' installer ', i thought you could install kde with apt-get install kde ;) |
| 07:41.59 | cast | mike: how about you just check if the HW is compatable |
| 07:42.30 | mike | And if all good install |
| 07:43.06 | dutchfish | mike, but i must admit i prefer gnome |
| 07:44.04 | \amethyst | mike: you can install from the livecd with debootstrap :) |
| 07:44.06 | mike | Granted but most of my installs are x windows users |
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| 07:44.46 | mike | \amethyst, ok cheers will do some more reading |
| 07:45.03 | dutchfish | mike, i you could enlighten us what you try to achieve we could give advise ... |
| 07:46.05 | mike | dutchfish, I run live cd's on new pc's and if all is well I install,Fast and efficient |
| 07:46.42 | cast | debians livecd is still a work in progress, probably has more bugs to iron out than a regular debian install |
| 07:47.05 | mike | Most installs are,Sidux,pclos,I like Debian stable,,4.0 and would like the same option |
| 07:47.18 | cast | at any rate what are you worried about not being supported? |
| 07:47.36 | cast | linux support is quite broad, i'd only worry about the wireless nic |
| 07:47.52 | dutchfish | mike, fair enough, but remember that you can not drive your distro through its full potential from a live cd, but you can do a general test with it |
| 07:47.58 | Quintin | PING |
| 07:48.12 | Quintin | well wtf. my net is all messed up, but I'm still connected to IRC |
| 07:48.21 | cast | no you're not. |
| 07:48.25 | mike | dutchfish, True ,,apt does the rest |
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| 07:48.43 | Quintin | cast, there is no spoon! |
| 07:48.46 | \amethyst | 03:48 -!- There is no such nick Quintin |
| 07:48.47 | dutchfish | mike, you should give ubuntu and openSuSe a try too |
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| 07:48.50 | mike | But a live cd is a good base and a great demo |
| 07:49.10 | Quintin | \amethyst, *gasp* |
| 07:49.16 | Quintin | am I in heaven? :-S |
| 07:49.20 | mike | dutchfish, hell no and no |
| 07:49.30 | Quintin | I'ts probably just NetworkManager in Ubuntu being all stupid |
| 07:49.30 | cast | mike: why not grab the livecd the netinst cd...when the livecd works switch cds |
| 07:49.34 | dutchfish | mike, oh & why? |
| 07:49.47 | graytron | can dpkg tell which package a file belongs to? |
| 07:49.50 | mike | cast, True good option |
| 07:50.06 | simonrvn | graytron: yes |
| 07:50.27 | graytron | simonrvn: just found it! thanks |
| 07:50.37 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:50.57 | mike | dutchfish, gutsy is slow and not real debian |
| 07:51.10 | mike | Better not go there :) |
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| 07:51.29 | cast | mike: you can install from the livecd...i don't know if it has an explicit option but here is debootstrap. but the netinst cd will be easier for you than using debootstrap |
| 07:52.07 | dutchfish | mike, both are equally fast, but it needs more tweaking one or the other |
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| 07:52.49 | mike | cast, Default Debian net install appears to be Gnome? |
| 07:53.04 | dutchfish | mike, if you want a high speed desktop as an example you can build yourself a blazingly fast jenrel for that purpose |
| 07:53.15 | cast | mike: no |
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| 07:53.56 | mike | dutchfish, It is for friends etc not for me ,kde appears to get the nod more often |
| 07:53.58 | cast | dutchfish: and get 0.5% faster performance and a 50% drop in stability? |
| 07:54.18 | mike | cast, money shot |
| 07:54.36 | dutchfish | cat, if you do it right you get 10 - 15% more speed and 0 drop in stability |
| 07:54.37 | cast | mike: during the install you tasksel will run, if you select desktop environment it'll install gnome |
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| 07:54.52 | cast | mike: if its for your friend you might as well install both...if space isn't an issue |
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| 07:55.11 | mike | Yes been doing that |
| 07:55.20 | dutchfish | cast, most of all you get a better responding desktop |
| 07:55.25 | mike | loaded menu's :) |
| 07:55.56 | cast | dutchfish: i want facts! |
| 07:55.58 | dutchfish | cast, the standard kernel is a general purpose only, best for servers in my opinion |
| 07:56.16 | mike | dutchfish, I run Sidux personally and find it very stable |
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| 07:56.49 | cast | dutchfish: and what is the difference? |
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| 07:58.20 | dutchfish | cast, i have no prove but my own expirience. Have you ever tried really? read this: http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html |
| 07:58.45 | cast | i used to compile my own kernel...till i asked what the point was :P |
| 07:59.33 | cast | my mouse is perfectly responsive, my kb never lags and i switch desktops in enlightenment instantly, i don't have any problems with performance |
| 07:59.43 | \amethyst | many desktop users swear by the CK patchset |
| 07:59.46 | dutchfish | cast, i wont try to convince you, but i wanted a more responsive desktop, that was my main goal |
| 07:59.54 | cast | well. |
| 08:00.29 | cast | if there is merit in this, then perhaps requesting debian -desktop and -server kernels is a good diea |
| 08:00.38 | cast | idea* |
| 08:01.45 | dutchfish | cast, maybe this seam like a good idee, its actually not, the general purpose kernel has served many over years, why bulke up things with air? |
| 08:02.17 | dutchfish | cast, its quiet simple to make your own |
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| 08:03.10 | dutchfish | cast, and i admit Debian has the best tools for it ;) |
| 08:03.33 | cast | dutchfish: am well aware. but then i have to security patchit |
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| 08:04.11 | dutchfish | cast, with every update, sources come along, its quiet simple to recompile it isnt it? |
| 08:04.55 | cast | patch, recompile |
| 08:05.00 | cast | its hassle for me for no real gain |
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| 08:09.15 | Overflow | how do see all processes.. |
| 08:09.39 | dutchfish | Overflow, ps auxww |
| 08:09.46 | Overflow | thx |
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| 08:12.08 | Bogus8 | hmm, I created a new cron job in crontab with this line: 00 17 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.my.daily |
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| 08:12.30 | Bogus8 | then created the dir /etc/cron.my.daily and then moved a symbolic link to a script in there |
| 08:12.50 | Bogus8 | is that all I need to do? |
| 08:12.51 | bullgard4 | What programming languages prefix or require to prefix a reserved identifier with an underscore character? |
| 08:13.00 | Bogus8 | and I restarted cron |
| 08:13.01 | Quintin | Bogus8, What is test testing for? |
| 08:13.17 | Bogus8 | Quintin: I just copied the cron.daily line :D |
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| 08:13.35 | Quintin | Bogus8, Why not just use the builtin cron.daily? |
| 08:13.46 | Bogus8 | Quintin: I want it to run after hours |
| 08:14.06 | Bogus8 | but I want the other cron jobs to function at their normal time |
| 08:14.09 | Quintin | Bogus8, 0625 isn't after hours? |
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| 08:14.27 | Quintin | I guess that it will work.. |
| 08:14.30 | Bogus8 | Quintin: no, it's before hours ;) |
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| 08:16.07 | dutchfish | bullgard4, could be any language by expect it to be C |
| 08:16.15 | harlekin | How can I source my ~/.bashrc when I log in as user via ssh? I've put source ~/.bashrc in ~/.ssh/rc but this didn't help. |
| 08:16.38 | harlekin | Basically I want to have my PS1 prompt in shell session. (Off couse, the bashrc exists on the server.) |
| 08:17.27 | bullgard4 | dutchfish: I do not understand the word 'by' in your answer. |
| 08:17.48 | dutchfish | bullgard4, sorry typo by should be be |
| 08:18.24 | bullgard4 | dutchfish: Thank you for explaining. |
| 08:19.04 | dutchfish | bullgard4, could be any language but expect it to be C |
| 08:20.15 | Bogus8 | Quintin: so, why did the script not run but if I run /etc/cron.my.daily/script it runs just fine and it ran from the cron.daily folder just fine also |
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| 08:20.58 | dutchfish | Quintin, maybe nothing is wrong, but when you manually alter shouldt cron be restarted? |
| 08:21.07 | \amethyst | harlekin: does your .bash_profile or .profile source .bashrc? |
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| 08:21.26 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: if you are referring to my problem I did restart cron |
| 08:21.45 | dutchfish | Bogus8, ok |
| 08:21.58 | harlekin | \amethyst: Yes, ~/.bash_profile as well sources ~/.bashrc. |
| 08:22.07 | Bogus8 | guess, I'll tweak it to make it fire off in a few and see what happens |
| 08:22.52 | harlekin | \amethyst: ~/.bashrc is okay, isn't it? I mean, I don't need an absolute path or use $HOME or something? I am clueless. \: |
| 08:24.34 | \amethyst | harlekin: that should be fine |
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| 08:24.49 | \amethyst | this is actually bash, right? |
| 08:25.07 | harlekin | \amethyst: yes, it is. |
| 08:25.16 | Bogus8 | /var/log/daemon.log is what I should tail -f if I want to see cron kick off? |
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| 08:25.55 | elventails | how can I cancel the install of a package? i.e. a package constantly complains of unmet dependecies and that it won't install - can I remove it form somewhere? |
| 08:26.19 | The_Alexander | you mean apt-get remove package_name? |
| 08:26.23 | dutchfish | Bogus8, /var/log/syslog |
| 08:26.24 | The_Alexander | or dpkg -r package_name ? |
| 08:26.38 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: thanks, what is daemon.log for? |
| 08:26.54 | \amethyst | harlekin: is it being invoked as /bin/sh or as /bin/bash |
| 08:26.55 | \amethyst | ? |
| 08:27.14 | dutchfish | Bogus8, starting / stopping of daemons, hence the name (and errors too) |
| 08:27.26 | The_Alexander | I have a problem: I need to move Windows partition (NTFS). Gparted official webpage says it's able to do it, but my one doesn't have support for movin ntfs. What can I do? I've installed ntfsprogs, and it's still unable to move it. |
| 08:27.36 | harlekin | \amethyst: Actually it's /bin/sh. Shall it be /bin/bash? |
| 08:27.57 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: :p I guess I just thought cron might be considered a deamon... but upon thinking about it I guess it's not |
| 08:28.25 | elventails | The_Alexander: thx |
| 08:28.28 | dutchfish | Bogus8, its a daemon, but its jobs and logs for them are not |
| 08:28.50 | Bogus8 | ok |
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| 08:29.39 | Bogus8 | ok, I just saw my cron.my.daily run but my script isn't? :( |
| 08:30.20 | harlekin | \amethyst: That seems to be the case. root has /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh and it's working for him. Great! Thanks. (: |
| 08:30.24 | dutchfish | Bogus8, is your script in place (from the standpoint of cron)? |
| 08:30.27 | The_Alexander | do anyone know how to move this ##### NTFS?! |
| 08:30.41 | The_Alexander | I am asking this question on 6th channel and noone knows. |
| 08:30.44 | Bogus8 | I put a simple "touche /home/root/temp.test" at the begining and it didn't even get that far |
| 08:31.17 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: it's a symbolic link and I moved it out of .daily which was workign fine.. and if I do a ls -l it shows up properly and doesn't show broken |
| 08:31.17 | dutchfish | Bogus8, is it executable by cron? |
| 08:31.44 | Bogus8 | I have been actually editing it by opening it via that same symlink |
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| 08:32.04 | dutchfish | Bogus8, hardlink or symlink? |
| 08:32.24 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: executable by all and sym... created with ln -s |
| 08:32.34 | dutchfish | Bogus8, weid |
| 08:32.41 | dutchfish | Bogus8, weird |
| 08:32.42 | Bogus8 | word |
| 08:33.02 | Bogus8 | I don't really know what else to do to test |
| 08:33.12 | Bogus8 | I run the script by typing in the symlink and it works |
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| 08:33.41 | Bogus8 | I have the exact same line as .daily but changed the time and it runs but it doesn't run the script |
| 08:34.00 | Bogus8 | and I see that cron actually ran my job |
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| 08:34.52 | dutchfish | Bogus8, the only thing i can dream up, is your script |
| 08:35.11 | \amethyst | Bogus8: touche? |
| 08:35.12 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: but the script works by itself and it ran in .daily o.O |
| 08:35.17 | \amethyst | Bogus8: was that a typo? |
| 08:35.30 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: yeah |
| 08:36.15 | \amethyst | Bogus8: could you paste the script somewhere? |
| 08:36.46 | \amethyst | Bogus8: maybe it's relying on something in your environment that's not there when cron runs it? |
| 08:36.48 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: give me a sec it's remote and I have to scp it here |
| 08:37.02 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: it ran from .daily though :( |
| 08:37.17 | dutchfish | Bogus8, for example, the script asumes its located in a certain path and now it isnt anymore in that location |
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| 08:38.15 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: I'm not that good ;) |
| 08:38.45 | dutchfish | Bogus8, as \amethyst says paste it to pastebin |
| 08:40.03 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: working on it.. scp is giving me some issues :/ |
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| 08:42.46 | Bogus8 | damn scp needs the -P switch right after "scp" grrr |
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| 08:43.21 | Nielsen | scp needs all the params before source and destination |
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| 08:43.55 | Laser | guys, how to get the OSS device to work? |
| 08:44.05 | Laser | i have a samba server installed and the sound works fine |
| 08:44.16 | Laser | i have no problems with /dev/dsp |
| 08:44.45 | JeremyK | what does samba have to do with the OSS device? |
| 08:44.55 | Nielsen | i was just typing that, Jer |
| 08:45.00 | Nielsen | to the letter |
| 08:45.10 | Nielsen | ;) |
| 08:45.13 | Laser | ooops |
| 08:45.14 | JeremyK | too slow ;p |
| 08:45.16 | Laser | i meant alsa |
| 08:45.25 | Laser | :P |
| 08:45.29 | JeremyK | ok |
| 08:45.32 | \amethyst | Laser: /dev/dsp is the OSS device... |
| 08:46.49 | Bogus8 | \amethyst, dutchfish: here it is... I obviously edited some of the "personal" data http://www.pastebin.ca/677731 |
| 08:46.52 | Laser | will try with permissions then |
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| 08:47.40 | \amethyst | Bogus8: What was your current directory when you ran it and it worked? |
| 08:47.55 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: root's home |
| 08:48.13 | Bogus8 | probably various |
| 08:48.19 | Bogus8 | I've tested it a few times |
| 08:48.19 | \amethyst | Bogus8: ah, never mind, $DIR is only used with tar -C $WORKDIR anyway |
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| 08:48.47 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: yeah, I made sure it works well with that stuff |
| 08:49.04 | bipolar | can someone please remind me where to put device files so that they get recreated on boot? |
| 08:49.05 | \amethyst | Bogus8: and when you put it in cron.fooly, it never executes? |
| 08:49.20 | bipolar | I remember it being somewhere in /etc/udev |
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| 08:49.38 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: right I created cron.my.daily dir and put it there |
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| 08:50.22 | \amethyst | Bogus8: And why would it run stuff in cron.my.daily ? |
| 08:50.47 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: 29 22 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.my.daily |
| 08:50.56 | \amethyst | Bogus8: okay :) |
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| 08:51.14 | \amethyst | Bogus8: do you have /usr/sbin/anacron? |
| 08:51.39 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: cron.daily runs... I have a script there that runs everyday |
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| 08:52.04 | \amethyst | Bogus8: anacron runs that separately probably |
| 08:52.17 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: but the line is identical |
| 08:52.24 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: where would I find that user? |
| 08:52.29 | Bogus8 | n/m |
| 08:52.31 | Bogus8 | misread |
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| 08:52.51 | \amethyst | Bogus8: Do you have /usr/sbin/anacron installed? |
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| 08:53.06 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: aparently not :) |
| 08:53.17 | \amethyst | Bogus8: that's || |
| 08:53.26 | \amethyst | Bogus8: run-parts won't execute if anacron is present |
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| 08:53.40 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: so what does .daily run? |
| 08:53.45 | Bogus8 | that confuses the hell out of me |
| 08:53.58 | simonrvn | effing initrd won't start my VG .... |
| 08:54.07 | Bogus8 | dir's look identical and crontab is identical and I just moved a working symlink (and script) from .daily to .foo |
| 08:54.16 | \amethyst | Bogus8: it runs the directory if anacron isn't present. That's because anacron runs the directories itself and ignores /etc/crontab |
| 08:54.45 | \amethyst | Bogus8: If anacron isn't present, though, that's not the problem |
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| 08:55.02 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: ah... ok, so me not having anacron is a good thing |
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| 08:55.05 | simonrvn | looks like it's either not loading dm_mod, hence vgchange -ay won't work, or something else is acting crazy... *this* kernel has dm_mod built-in.... |
| 08:55.15 | simonrvn | *SIGH* |
| 08:55.28 | simonrvn | effing PITA |
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| 08:56.00 | Bogus8 | and I thought we were on to something :( |
| 08:56.03 | Quintin | simonrvn, Linux is generally PITA ;) |
| 08:56.33 | Quintin | and initrds are dumb! :P |
| 08:56.33 | Bogus8 | WORD ;) |
| 08:56.37 | simonrvn | *this* kernel *i* built |
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| 08:56.40 | dutchfish | sorry but what is PITTA? |
| 08:56.46 | simonrvn | !pita |
| 08:56.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pita is pain in the ass or whats usually for supper :) |
| 08:57.01 | dutchfish | lol |
| 08:57.04 | \amethyst | Bogus8: You said you get a report from run-parts? |
| 08:57.12 | simonrvn | initrd are useful if you have raid / or lvm / |
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| 08:57.19 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: umm, in syslog it tells me cron ran |
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| 08:57.34 | Bogus8 | Aug 31 22:29:01 Server /USR/SBIN/CRON[590]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.my.daily) |
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| 08:57.59 | eth01 | how can I view my disk's setup? |
| 08:58.05 | simonrvn | df |
| 08:58.06 | eth01 | and make changes ** |
| 08:58.12 | \amethyst | Bogus8: I'm not sure I understand |
| 08:58.22 | simonrvn | then you want one of the *fdisk apps |
| 08:58.24 | \amethyst | Bogus8: err, never mind, read the wrong thing |
| 08:58.40 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: bout to say, now I've dumbed you down to my level! ;) |
| 08:58.54 | \amethyst | Bogus8: hmm... does the run-parts command work from the command line? |
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| 08:59.13 | Quintin | eth01, fdisk -l /dev/*da |
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| 08:59.46 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: haven't tried... what if I just tweak .daily's time and let it run it and see if it fires off at the right time... only thing I can think of is crontab isn't being read and it's going off some sys default somewhere else or something |
| 09:00.05 | Bogus8 | granted this is a default install and I'm the only one who has access and I've never done anything cooky |
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| 09:00.20 | mike | gparted |
| 09:00.23 | \amethyst | Bogus8: but if that was in the logs, crontab is getting run |
| 09:00.42 | \amethyst | Bogus8: and the problem is something with run-parts or with the script |
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| 09:01.13 | \amethyst | Bogus8: wait |
| 09:01.15 | rdav | hi, is the a meta package to install a whole bundle of developmental packages |
| 09:01.19 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: ah true... fuck fuck fuck! |
| 09:01.21 | Bogus8 | :D |
| 09:01.23 | \amethyst | Bogus8: could you paste the line from your crontab again? |
| 09:01.25 | Quintin | rdav, build-essential |
| 09:01.29 | Quintin | !build-essential |
| 09:01.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 09:01.38 | dutchfish | Bogus8, \amethyst what user:group is the script? |
| 09:01.50 | Bogus8 | 29 22 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.my.daily |
| 09:01.52 | \amethyst | Bogus8: Just noticed in the log message too... missing a ) |
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| 09:02.00 | \amethyst | at the end |
| 09:02.06 | \amethyst | there's your problem |
| 09:02.10 | rdav | Quintin, thanks |
| 09:02.14 | Quintin | haha, I noticed that a long time ago. I thought he just didn't paste all of it :P |
| 09:02.20 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: holy shit... thanks!!! |
| 09:02.29 | Bogus8 | always a dumb typo! |
| 09:02.39 | \amethyst | Quintin: I didn't notice it the first time, but I just noticed that the log message had imbalanced parentheses :) |
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| 09:03.12 | Bogus8 | just like my old algerbra teacher used to say (now like 15 years ago) "it's always simple mistakes that mess you up" since logic is logic |
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| 09:03.52 | Bogus8 | damn you Quintin! j/k ;) |
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| 09:05.04 | dutchfish | Bogus8, i you arent even dislectic like me ;) |
| 09:05.07 | \amethyst | Bogus8: strange that root didn't get any email about the error |
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| 09:06.14 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: well, my postfix setup has mail all messed up.. it tries to email it out to a bogus ISP account.. so I now have MAILTO="" :D |
| 09:06.30 | Bogus8 | just got my text message saying that my script ran :D |
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| 09:08.27 | Bogus8 | dutchfish, Quintin, \amethyst: thanks a bunch fellas! |
| 09:08.40 | Quintin | ja np |
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| 09:09.26 | dutchfish | i want to know if others had installed the 31-aug kernel sec patch for 2.6.18-5-i686 and noticed that initramfs burped with recreating the initrd-image? |
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| 09:10.10 | Bogus8 | proof that I need a script on my recieving server checking if the backups got there or not incase the client's script fails completely! |
| 09:11.11 | DustyBin | is there a linux / open-source version of Windows 2003 server? If you had 1000 linux desktops in a network, what kind of open-source server software would one use? |
| 09:11.57 | dutchfish | DustyBin, as a fileserver or what? |
| 09:12.16 | DustyBin | I dont know, what does windows 2003 server do when 1000 windows machines are in a network? |
| 09:12.57 | dutchfish | DustyBin, then only thing you can expect i.e crash or crumble to its knees |
| 09:13.04 | DustyBin | hehe |
| 09:13.18 | liable | congest the network with useless chatter |
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| 09:13.46 | Rhoruns | hey, can someone tell em how i make new accounts? and how to limit them, all from commandline? |
| 09:13.59 | \amethyst | DustyBin: OpenLDAP for account management, kerberos for authentication, nfs or coda for shared directories, ... |
| 09:14.02 | DustyBin | imagine you had the job of setting up / networking 1000 linux desktop machines for a big organisation, what kind of server software would be used ? |
| 09:14.02 | dutchfish | DustyBin, think of it, broadcasts, the chatty smb wins etc etc |
| 09:14.11 | liable | Rhoruns: limit them how? |
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| 09:14.21 | DustyBin | aye ok |
| 09:14.23 | Rhoruns | i mean, just a regular account. |
| 09:14.30 | Rhoruns | i want to make a new account called pvpgn |
| 09:14.32 | liable | Rhoruns: adduser to make user accounts |
| 09:14.33 | petemc | adduser |
| 09:14.34 | dutchfish | DustyBin, your solution would be segmentation |
| 09:15.02 | Bogus8 | dutchfish: you mean something like Active Directory? |
| 09:15.11 | Rhoruns | ok. should i make a seperate user group, too? |
| 09:15.40 | dutchfish | DustyBin, sgementation of your network |
| 09:15.51 | DustyBin | ok |
| 09:16.05 | dutchfish | DustyBin, and a few more machines for specilized taks |
| 09:16.28 | dutchfish | DustyBin, think of all the roaming profiles flying around etc etc |
| 09:16.58 | dutchfish | DustyBin, for that you need at least 3 machines |
| 09:17.07 | liable | Rhoruns: man adduser will explain |
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| 09:17.25 | Rhoruns | ok |
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| 09:17.58 | dutchfish | DustyBin, but this is all off topic, you surely want to study on linux for this |
| 09:18.05 | DustyBin | aye sure |
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| 09:18.34 | dutchfish | DustyBin, read about nfs & samba, and ldap |
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| 09:18.40 | DustyBin | ok |
| 09:18.55 | Bogus8 | ldap should have you busy for a while ;) |
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| 09:19.07 | \amethyst | coda or afs might have advantages on a network that size |
| 09:19.20 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yup |
| 09:19.24 | \amethyst | unfortunately, debian doesn't have coda-server |
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| 09:19.32 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: are those AD replacement type of apps? |
| 09:19.33 | \amethyst | it was orphaned in 2005 |
| 09:19.40 | sigp239 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.40 | sigp239 | <joseph> and is it normal that when you install unstable, the option to install gnome does not appear? |
| 09:19.43 | \amethyst | Bogus8: no, they're distributed filesystems |
| 09:19.54 | \amethyst | Bogus8: I meant advantages over nfs or samba |
| 09:19.57 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: ah, yes that's a good thing to have |
| 09:20.01 | Bogus8 | on that size network |
| 09:20.50 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: wouldn't it be still NFS/samba? just DFS across them? |
| 09:20.59 | \amethyst | Bogus8: coda is its own filesystem |
| 09:21.21 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: ah... is client support in debian still? |
| 09:21.22 | dutchfish | i would prefer samba/ldap in a strong segmented network, its hard to setup but easy to maintain |
| 09:21.30 | \amethyst | With built-in support for replication, offline operation, etc |
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| 09:22.10 | liable | sigp239: not usuall, but it is unstable after all, just fix it. |
| 09:23.27 | \amethyst | Bogus8: actually, looks like that's gone too... |
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| 09:23.52 | Bogus8 | \amethyst: that makes it not very ideal :( |
| 09:24.08 | sigp239 | liable> :( |
| 09:24.09 | \amethyst | Bogus8: CMU provides packages, but I'm not sure how good they are |
| 09:24.11 | sigp239 | that's it? |
| 09:25.04 | petemc | sigp239: you've been told the same thing in two channels, why is it so hard to accept? |
| 09:25.25 | dutchfish | \amethyst, are there any docs on doing coda on the stable debian? |
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| 09:25.35 | liable | sigp239: whats the problem, edit your sources list and then install gnome. its no big deal |
| 09:25.40 | petemc | sigp239: its trivial to fix sources.list, if you cant do that, unstable is certainly not for you |
| 09:25.43 | sigp239 | petemc> I tried but it did not work |
| 09:26.00 | sigp239 | ack |
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| 09:26.33 | sigp239 | did you know that gnome does not even show up as an option in the latest gnome net install ISO? |
| 09:26.40 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I don't know about debian-specific |
| 09:26.40 | sigp239 | for unstable I mean |
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| 09:26.56 | petemc | i didnt realise there was an unstable netinstall |
| 09:26.58 | dutchfish | \amethyst, wich distro implements this white-box? |
| 09:27.09 | sigp239 | and why does the sources.list show security updates for lenny, if it's debian unstable? |
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| 09:28.04 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I don't know if any do |
| 09:28.16 | dutchfish | \amethyst, k |
| 09:28.38 | sigp239 | maybe it was because I was trying the amd64 version? |
| 09:29.35 | dutchfish | \amethyst, ok, i will stick to OpenAFS |
| 09:30.31 | dutchfish | \amethyst, so far it hasnt let me down, but i admit i am not that expirienced on this |
| 09:30.35 | \amethyst | dutchfish: http://coda.wikidev.net/Quick_Client_Action http://coda.wikidev.net/Quick_Server_Action seem to refer mostly to debian |
| 09:30.53 | dutchfish | \amethyst, thx! |
| 09:31.27 | sigp239 | Can anyone recommend me a pathway that will lead to an installation of debian unstabled with a gnome desktop and a functioning sources.list ? |
| 09:32.07 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I haven't tried their debian packages, though, so can't vouch for them |
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| 09:32.29 | dutchfish | \amethyst, ok, last q: do i need a special kernel for them? i believe not |
| 09:32.30 | \amethyst | dutchfish: I only did coda a bit when I took Operating Systems a few years ago |
| 09:32.43 | \amethyst | dutchfish: debian kernels have the coda module, I believe |
| 09:32.53 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yeh, i thought so too |
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| 09:33.29 | Hooi | hi guys |
| 09:33.37 | Hooi | i am trying to upgrade my system |
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| 09:33.46 | dutchfish | \amethyst, ok, thx again, i will delve into it |
| 09:33.54 | Hooi | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 09:34.03 | Hooi | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 09:34.07 | qrck | what's the exact difference between a debian kernel and a vanilla one ? where can i find the specific patches ? |
| 09:34.10 | Hooi | what does this mean exactly? |
| 09:34.26 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:35.42 | dutchfish | qrck, apt-get install linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 patchutils |
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| 09:36.30 | Hooi | i cannot update my kernel somehow |
| 09:36.32 | Hooi | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 09:36.34 | Hooi | linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 09:36.35 | qrck | thank you dutchfish, but one more question, if i compiled a kernel myself do i have to apply those patches manually ? or is there some other comfortable way ? |
| 09:37.01 | dutchfish | qrck, depends if you used a vinilla or debian source |
| 09:37.05 | \amethyst | qrck: Do you need a kernel that debian doesn't provide? |
| 09:37.35 | qrck | oh ok, nah i just downloaded the debian kernel source, don't know if it's already patched or not |
| 09:37.50 | \amethyst | qrck: the linux-source-2.6.22 package? |
| 09:38.02 | qrck | yep |
| 09:38.06 | \amethyst | it's patched |
| 09:38.09 | qrck | ok |
| 09:38.12 | qrck | thank you |
| 09:38.23 | \amethyst | if you want to see the diff, apt-get source --diff-only linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 09:38.30 | qrck | ah |
| 09:38.42 | qrck | never used that, ok |
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| 09:39.45 | \amethyst | qrck: however, that might not apply to pristine Linux kernel |
| 09:40.04 | \amethyst | the debian orig.tar.gz is slightly different from a vanilla kernel |
| 09:40.55 | sigp239 | What is the recommended way to install unstable? Should I install testing first and then update my sources.list? Or should I install from unstable ISO? |
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| 09:41.44 | Rhoruns | can someone help me unpack a tar.gz? |
| 09:43.39 | Rhoruns | grrr |
| 09:44.09 | qrck | Rhoruns, it's easy isn't it ? |
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| 09:44.20 | Rhoruns | no. not at all lol |
| 09:44.28 | qrck | Rhoruns, what's your problem then ? |
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| 09:44.35 | Rhoruns | it keeps saying that it's not in gzip format |
| 09:44.48 | qrck | Rhoruns, do a file *.tar.gz |
| 09:44.58 | Rhoruns | ? |
| 09:45.10 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm getting this error when installing new software using apt-get : http://pastebin.ca/677762 (concerning locales). How do fix it? The languages are available in the list when I run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 09:45.13 | qrck | Rhoruns, if it's not in gzip format it's in bzip prolly |
| 09:45.20 | qrck | or some else |
| 09:45.30 | Rhoruns | no. the file is: pvpgn-1.8.1.tar.gz |
| 09:45.37 | qrck | just renamed wrong or so i suppose |
| 09:45.47 | the-me | file <file> |
| 09:45.50 | qrck | Rhoruns, tar -zxvf *.tar.gz |
| 09:46.06 | the-me | qrck, this is wrong |
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| 09:46.18 | qrck | should do if not, then your format is screwed or it's named wrong with a wrong suffix |
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| 09:47.37 | Rhoruns | is it a bad thing if the tar.gz file is in red text? |
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| 09:47.50 | Rhoruns | when i do ls -A, the tar.gz file is colored in red |
| 09:47.54 | Rhoruns | ive enver seen this before |
| 09:47.57 | Rhoruns | never* |
| 09:48.09 | Aim_Here | do ls -l *.tz and paste the line with your tar.gz file in it |
| 09:48.15 | qrck | nope it's just ls --color option with some suffix specific highlighting rule |
| 09:48.19 | Aim_Here | Don't paste much more, or someone or something will kick you |
| 09:48.29 | qrck | .exe's are green |
| 09:48.36 | Rhoruns | i can't paste.im doing this on another PC |
| 09:48.40 | qrck | .zip .gzip etc are red |
| 09:48.49 | Rhoruns | i dont know how to use irc and commandline at the same time |
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| 09:50.10 | Aim_Here | Rhoruns, check the size of your file against the size that it should be |
| 09:50.17 | Aim_Here | Maybe you just downloaded half of it |
| 09:50.35 | Rhoruns | hmm |
| 09:51.23 | Rhoruns | i see: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3318 <date><time><file> |
| 09:51.32 | Rhoruns | 3318 = size? |
| 09:51.51 | Aim_Here | 3318? The website says it should be about 1.12 meg |
| 09:51.56 | Aim_Here | There's your answer. Download the whole file |
| 09:51.59 | Rhoruns | dang.. lol |
| 09:52.02 | Rhoruns | kk, thanks |
| 09:52.10 | Rhoruns | wget <url>, right> |
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| 09:52.11 | Rhoruns | ? |
| 09:52.17 | Aim_Here | That'll do |
| 09:52.18 | gynterk | ls -ah will give you human readable |
| 09:52.31 | Rhoruns | and will it overwrite? |
| 09:52.39 | Aim_Here | Hopefully |
| 09:52.40 | Rhoruns | kk |
| 09:52.43 | Aim_Here | Probably not though |
| 09:52.47 | Aim_Here | But just delete the crap one |
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| 09:54.25 | Rhoruns | what's the delete command? :D |
| 09:54.36 | Aim_Here | rm |
| 09:54.41 | Rhoruns | kk |
| 09:54.47 | supaman | hey ... is there some place I can get old kernel-headers in a debian package? (I have kernel 2.6.17) |
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| 09:56.38 | sybec | Hello. Is there a Debian developer related channel around here? I want to discuss a possible bug in /usr/share/acpi-support/power-funcs |
| 09:56.46 | Rhoruns | is there a way to shortcut a filename? |
| 09:56.58 | Aim_Here | bash has tab completion |
| 09:57.11 | Aim_Here | Type the beginnings of your file, and hit the tab key |
| 09:57.12 | sybec | ln works |
| 09:57.13 | zinx | Rhoruns: depends on what you mean by "shortcut a filename" |
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| 09:57.23 | zinx | Rhoruns: if you mean like windows "shortcuts", then soft link it |
| 09:57.25 | supaman | Rhoruns: ln -s target source |
| 09:57.28 | Rhoruns | it's not working :( |
| 09:57.32 | Aim_Here | There's also filename globbing, but we'll not introduce you to that and 'rm' on the same day |
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| 09:57.58 | zinx | !doesn't work |
| 09:57.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 09:58.03 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 09:58.27 | supaman | :) |
| 09:59.14 | Rhoruns | how do i rename? :D |
| 09:59.21 | supaman | mv |
| 09:59.22 | Aim_Here | mv <old file> <new file> |
| 09:59.26 | Rhoruns | kk |
| 09:59.46 | Aim_Here | 'man mv' for more info, ditto with a lot of commands |
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| 10:00.29 | dobby | is there a 64bit version of freenx for debian? |
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| 10:03.21 | supaman | Rhoruns: http://www.linuxhelp.net/newbies/ should have a good intro for you |
| 10:03.30 | Rhoruns | ok |
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| 10:04.18 | frankr_ | hi I have dual monitors without xinerama, how can I have two firefox windows? it complains because there's one open already |
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| 10:06.10 | Rhoruns | ctrl-n |
| 10:06.13 | Rhoruns | :P |
| 10:06.24 | Rhoruns | if it complains, then your firefox is retarded |
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| 10:06.58 | zinx | frankr_: use a different profile |
| 10:07.33 | Rhoruns | why can't i delete my file? when i do rm, it asks me if i want to delete the write-protected file |
| 10:07.36 | zinx | frankr_: i thought it also had some option to allow multiple sessions with one profile, but i don't see it in the help output |
| 10:07.42 | Rhoruns | and i press enter, and nothing happens |
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| 10:08.01 | zinx | Rhoruns: because 'n' is the default answer |
| 10:08.02 | Rhoruns | ah nvm |
| 10:08.08 | Rhoruns | i had to type y |
| 10:08.09 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 10:08.17 | Rhoruns | im so stupid :( |
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| 10:08.53 | shanky | good morning |
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| 10:09.22 | shanky | I have a problem in debian, my laptop get blocked sometimes when I try to use the cdrom |
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| 10:09.45 | shanky | the system get overloaded: 11:54:17 up 1:36, 1 user, load average: 13.93, 7.90, 3.83 |
| 10:09.59 | shanky | and in dmesg I get these errors: |
| 10:10.16 | shanky | hdb: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 10:10.16 | shanky | ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
| 10:10.16 | shanky | hdb: drive not ready for command |
| 10:10.25 | Aim_Here | Careful not to flood |
| 10:10.44 | karmatronic | shanky: install hdparm and set dma on the drive |
| 10:10.53 | sgireesh | When i install debian etch I get an error "disk-detect not found". Can anyone help me? |
| 10:11.10 | shanky | karmatronic: mmm, how I did not think about that? |
| 10:11.11 | shanky | thanks |
| 10:11.22 | sgireesh | I tried downloading netinst.iso image from debian.org and still get the same error. |
| 10:12.02 | candyban | hi guys, I would like to execute a script (to dynamically update my dns entry) and I want to have it executed each time I get a new lease (or reboot) ... I read the dhclient-script manual, but can't figure out exactly what I need to do |
| 10:12.04 | shanky | karmatronic: I have just installed it, and the cdrom has dma on |
| 10:12.40 | candyban | e.g. what's the difference between dhclient-enter-hooks and dhclient-exit-hooks |
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| 10:13.59 | Rhoruns | would /usr/local/pvpgn be a good place to install a server program? |
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| 10:16.22 | supaman | Rhoruns: anything that is not installed via aptitude and should be available to everyone on the system should go in /usr/local |
| 10:16.53 | supaman | Rhoruns: so yes, it wold be a good place |
| 10:16.59 | Rhoruns | ok. :) |
| 10:17.13 | shanky | any other idea? |
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| 10:17.52 | mrdesk | is there a way to do 'make install' but specify a different directory to install into rather than root? |
| 10:18.15 | candyban | mrdesk: check the configure options |
| 10:18.24 | candyban | mrdesk: ./configure --help |
| 10:18.29 | sgireesh | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/ |
| 10:18.30 | Rhoruns | hmmm.. is there a download package for gcc? |
| 10:18.51 | mrdesk | ahh thanksa much |
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| 10:20.20 | liable | !b-e Rhoruns |
| 10:20.20 | dpkg | Rhoruns: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 10:20.33 | Rhoruns | ok |
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| 10:21.06 | gnudo | i have been googling for a gpl or bsd licensed gnu/linux app similar to http://www.dekart.com/products/card_management/sim_explorer/ but so far nothing appears to be available! |
| 10:21.41 | Rhoruns | there is no 'build-essential' |
| 10:21.47 | candyban | gnudo: please explain what the program should be doing instead of pointing to some random website |
| 10:21.53 | liable | better start coding then! :) |
| 10:22.08 | liable | Rhoruns: yes there is |
| 10:22.38 | Rhoruns | Couldnt find any package whos name matches 'build-essential' |
| 10:22.58 | gnudo | i want an app that works on gnu/linux that allows you read, copy, edit data on a mobile sim card regardless of the handset model |
| 10:23.08 | liable | Rhoruns: are you using a cd for installation or something? |
| 10:23.21 | Rhoruns | i installed the netinst a couple days ago |
| 10:23.32 | Rhoruns | but i think i got the programs i needed |
| 10:23.36 | liable | Rhoruns: and you have internet on that box? |
| 10:23.39 | Rhoruns | yes |
| 10:24.26 | liable | Rhoruns: you have done an apt-get update? |
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| 10:24.39 | Rhoruns | yes' |
| 10:24.59 | Rhoruns | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 10:25.03 | liable | Rhoruns: are you sure you didnt misspell? |
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| 10:25.10 | Rhoruns | yes |
| 10:25.37 | liable | Rhoruns: do you still have the cd in the drive? |
| 10:25.44 | Rhoruns | no |
| 10:26.15 | liable | Rhoruns: paste your sources.list to a pasteer |
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| 10:26.24 | Rhoruns | how? |
| 10:26.26 | liable | paster* |
| 10:26.31 | liable | !paste |
| 10:26.31 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 10:26.48 | candyban | gnudo: http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&words=sim+card ... did you check sf and/or freshmeat? |
| 10:26.49 | Rhoruns | how do i do that from commandline?? lol |
| 10:27.13 | liable | Rhoruns: you dont have x on that box? |
| 10:27.18 | Rhoruns | nope |
| 10:27.27 | liable | Rhoruns: ok, /j #flood |
| 10:27.32 | candyban | liable: gives a new meaning to xbox ;) |
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| 10:28.51 | liable | Rhoruns: what is the point of this second baox? |
| 10:28.59 | Rhoruns | to be a server |
| 10:29.11 | liable | Rhoruns: so you have ssh installed on it? |
| 10:29.22 | Rhoruns | it's only a 600mhz celeron, so i dont want to blow it up with X |
| 10:29.22 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 10:29.26 | Rhoruns | not yet |
| 10:29.30 | Rhoruns | i dont know how to use ssh |
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| 10:29.55 | liable | Rhoruns: well, install it and get it running and then paste from your terminal |
| 10:30.17 | Rhoruns | ok |
| 10:30.20 | Rhoruns | apt-get ssh? |
| 10:30.21 | Rhoruns | lol |
| 10:30.25 | Laser | the alsa oss compatibility does not function |
| 10:30.34 | Laser | i cannot use the oss device /dev/dsp |
| 10:30.58 | Laser | how can i fix this |
| 10:31.13 | liable | Rhoruns: openssh-server |
| 10:31.19 | Rhoruns | kk |
| 10:31.22 | liable | Laser: does /dev/dsp exist? |
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| 10:31.40 | Laser | yes |
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| 10:31.58 | Laser | liable: also i changed permissions a+rw |
| 10:32.32 | atoponce | why is the tango icon set not listed in the repos? |
| 10:32.43 | atoponce | the main repo, specifically? |
| 10:33.11 | liable | Laser: why did you change the perms on it? |
| 10:33.20 | cast | atoponce: see, wth are you talking about. tango icon set...for? |
| 10:33.33 | Laser | liable: cuz i thought it was the perms |
| 10:33.44 | atoponce | cast: tango.freedesktop.org |
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| 10:33.50 | atoponce | cast: for gnome, specifically |
| 10:33.51 | Laser | i was wrong. are these a bad thing? |
| 10:33.55 | liable | Laser: as root, cat /vmliuz > /dev/dsp |
| 10:33.59 | liable | Laser: yes |
| 10:34.02 | liable | it is a bad thing |
| 10:34.17 | liable | you dont just change perms on shit without thinking |
| 10:34.24 | cast | tango-icon-theme what is that? |
| 10:34.30 | Laser | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 10:34.36 | atoponce | cast: it's in the non-free repo, yet the icons are CC-licensed |
| 10:34.54 | cast | ahh. i see :) |
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| 10:35.08 | liable | Laser: then something is using, likely some gnome retarded thing or kde's stupid version |
| 10:35.14 | CreatixEA | Hi, I installed php5, php5gd and trying to use jpGraph I've got a missing default font: cour.ttf, courb.ttf (should be located at /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/) but the directory is empty. What is the package to install them ? |
| 10:35.16 | atoponce | i'm just trying to understand the logic behind it, it all |
| 10:35.22 | Laser | liable: i use fluxb |
| 10:35.29 | liable | Laser: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 10:35.35 | liable | Laser: or fuser |
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| 10:35.53 | Laser | i did an alsaconf :) |
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| 10:37.14 | Laser | liable: i figured it out. i reconfigured the packages alsa-oss and linux-sound-base or something like it and did alsaconfig |
| 10:37.17 | Laser | not it works fine |
| 10:37.26 | Laser | liable: thanks anyways! |
| 10:37.35 | liable | ok |
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| 10:39.24 | atoponce | i guess the question is better asked: why is the CC-BY-SA non-free? |
| 10:40.57 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, maybe this helps: http://wiki.splitbrain.org/debianfonts |
| 10:41.35 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: I'm looking, thanks for help ! :) |
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| 10:42.09 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, should be something like ttf-fontname |
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| 10:43.13 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: I saw, but there is no "standard" packet for default courier font |
| 10:43.21 | CreatixEA | There's only special fonts |
| 10:44.54 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, maybe its in ttf-freefonts ... |
| 10:45.27 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: I installed them: nothing is installed in the "root font directory" |
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| 10:46.19 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, use fc-list | grep courier, anything? |
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| 10:47.03 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: nothing ... |
| 10:47.13 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, hold on |
| 10:47.18 | CreatixEA | thanks |
| 10:47.54 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: here is the exact error: JpGraph Error Font file "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/courbd.ttf" is not readable or does not exist. |
| 10:48.34 | Rhoruns | bah, im just going to give up on my server :( |
| 10:48.36 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, courier is in freefont: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/ttf-freefont.html maybe path from gd is wrong |
| 10:48.44 | Penix | robert edmonds is my hero |
| 10:48.47 | Penix | !spank deb-ice |
| 10:48.50 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, you could create a symlink there |
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| 10:50.22 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: I install free font, don't have courier |
| 10:50.29 | CreatixEA | hold on |
| 10:50.35 | stafai | How do I rereun the debian installation scripts to install the software from Disc 1? |
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| 10:50.49 | stafai | I am stuck with a minimal install :| |
| 10:51.13 | cTATUK | Does anyone know how to allow gnome-btdownload to grab more than one file at a time? |
| 10:51.23 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: http://paste.debian.net/35948 |
| 10:51.27 | cast | stafai: just use aptitude |
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| 10:51.34 | Howitzer | Hi all |
| 10:51.35 | stafai | oh ok |
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| 10:51.49 | liable | stafai: you can run tasksel if so desire |
| 10:51.53 | cast | stafai: and whenever someone says use apt-get install...do aptitude install :) |
| 10:51.55 | cTATUK | I changed the max_port value in the schemas file but it still only works with one download at a time. |
| 10:51.56 | liable | +you |
| 10:53.17 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, what about ls /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont |
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| 10:53.48 | larsl | Do I need a special GDB for 64-bit programs or something? |
| 10:53.55 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: that's it |
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| 10:54.15 | larsl | GDB says: ""/home/ll/src/jack-dbus/testjd": not in executable format: File format not recognized" |
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| 10:54.37 | larsl | file says: "testjd: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped" |
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| 10:56.17 | tamiya | laser: reboot your PC. the sound might not work after that |
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| 10:56.26 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: I made what you suggested: symbolic links make it working |
| 10:56.34 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, yw |
| 10:56.39 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: but I find this not stable |
| 10:56.47 | Laser | tamiya: are you joking? |
| 10:56.47 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: anyway, many thanks for help ;) |
| 10:56.54 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, you could file a bug |
| 10:57.13 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: I'm doing ;) |
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| 10:58.12 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, to be frankly i expirienced similair issues with ttf fonts |
| 10:58.23 | mbroeker | brb |
| 10:58.37 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: that's a big bullshit ;) (sorry for my english) lol |
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| 10:59.17 | LeVA | hi! |
| 10:59.19 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, cant help that one ;) |
| 10:59.47 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: No way to report easily a bug: registration are blocked, need to send an email and so... :( |
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| 11:00.00 | LeVA | can I watch a package's changelog with apt-cache or something before I install it with apt-get? |
| 11:01.15 | Tuxulin | i am new to linux and want to debian... i have been to the site and there are 4 dvd'.iso to download |
| 11:01.17 | dutchfish | CreatixEA, if you use gnome: apt-get install bug-buddy |
| 11:01.23 | Tuxulin | do i need all 4 ? |
| 11:01.47 | Tuxulin | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 11:02.30 | atoponce | im getting an xsessions-error when logging in saying that there is no space left on device. running 'df -h' shows that /dev/mapper/kratos-root is full. what is that, and how can i free it up? |
| 11:02.42 | CreatixEA | dutchfish: nop, I'm on windows :p Debian is only for my servers ;) |
| 11:03.05 | cast | atoponce: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=338448 'CC license is not DFSG-free currently' |
| 11:03.35 | atoponce | cast: yeah. found it. any ideas about my xsessions error? |
| 11:03.44 | Tuxulin | do i need all 4 debian dvds to make it work or will dvd 1 be enough ? |
| 11:03.55 | cast | Tuxulin: the netinst will be enough |
| 11:04.02 | cast | !netinst |
| 11:04.02 | dpkg | well, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
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| 11:05.16 | Tuxulin | i have windows and a main system but running VMware... wanted to run debian in virtaul mode |
| 11:05.25 | atoponce | what is /dev/mapper/kratos-root? kratos is my hostname, so what is that device? |
| 11:05.34 | LeVA | can I check a package's changelog with apt-cache or something before I install it with apt-get, and actually open the package's changelog file? |
| 11:06.20 | Nielsen | LeVA: well you can always extract the files from the package before you install it |
| 11:06.25 | cast | Tuxulin: ok. then get the netinst. |
| 11:06.33 | atoponce | can i send /dev/mapper/kratos-root to /dev/null? |
| 11:06.38 | atoponce | or would that be bad? |
| 11:06.42 | LeVA | Nielsen: right |
| 11:06.55 | cast | atoponce: what are you trying to do.. |
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| 11:07.06 | atoponce | cast: i am getting an xsessions error |
| 11:07.09 | simonrvn | atoponce: uh, an lv in your vg |
| 11:07.19 | Hooi | is there any tool on windows, to watch performance of my linux server? |
| 11:07.28 | atoponce | "mkdtemp: private socket dir: No space left on device" |
| 11:07.32 | cast | atoponce: how is that related to /dev/kratos/root? |
| 11:07.34 | LeVA | Hooi: putty |
| 11:07.38 | cast | ahh. |
| 11:07.53 | atoponce | cast: /dev/mapper/kratos-root is full when running 'df -h' |
| 11:07.56 | cast | so what does df -h say? any at 100%? |
| 11:07.59 | dutchfish | Hooi, snmp (net-snmp) is your friend |
| 11:08.03 | atoponce | i figured that's causing the problem |
| 11:08.06 | cast | so wouldn't you make it bigger, or clear some space |
| 11:08.18 | atoponce | it's 6.6GB |
| 11:08.22 | simonrvn | atoponce: your / is full, or it thinks it is |
| 11:08.25 | Tuxulin | <cast> i dont think netinstall will work....... all i want to know is whether dvd1 is enough |
| 11:08.31 | atoponce | simonrvn: what can i do? |
| 11:08.40 | Tuxulin | i want to run debian via virtaul box |
| 11:08.53 | simonrvn | atoponce: what do you think you should do? |
| 11:08.57 | Tuxulin | not to have the system for it self or dualboot |
| 11:09.02 | cast | Tuxulin: dvd1 is enough to install whats on dvd1. i thought you said vmware? why wont netinst work? vmware has netoworking |
| 11:09.04 | Nielsen | Tuxulin: i installed debian in vmware at work, netinstall works just fine |
| 11:09.12 | dutchfish | Hooi, or what about top from console through ssh |
| 11:09.21 | Hooi | dutchfish thank , but i mainly want to monitor cpu, disk and ram performance |
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| 11:09.33 | atoponce | simonrvn: well, my first thought is sending it to /dev/null. not sure what the effects of that would be, as i don't know what /dev/mapper/kratos-root is |
| 11:09.43 | dutchfish | Hooi, mon |
| 11:09.47 | simonrvn | atoponce: no, not a good idea |
| 11:09.48 | Tuxulin | my bad sorry ... i have virtual box on this machine which will fire up any iso |
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| 11:10.03 | Tuxulin | ok so ill download dvd1 |
| 11:10.05 | simonrvn | atoponce: if you don't know, don't touch it |
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| 11:10.19 | Tuxulin | only 15minutes wait so its all good |
| 11:10.23 | atoponce | simonrvn: didn't think so. rather than chase sizing the partition, how can i free up that space. what is it first off? |
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| 11:10.33 | Tuxulin | thanks for helping |
| 11:10.50 | asdzxc | hi, is there any package with apache-mpm-itk for Debian Sarge ? |
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| 11:11.10 | simonrvn | atoponce: first, that's a lv, logical volume, i.e., a partition in a vg, a volume group. it's for lvm |
| 11:11.33 | atoponce | simonrvn: ok. i set that up during install... |
| 11:11.49 | simonrvn | atoponce: the lv is 'root' (i'm assuming it's for /) and the vg is kratos |
| 11:11.59 | atoponce | simonrvn: correct |
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| 11:12.18 | dutchfish | Hooi, actually there ar emany options, vmstat & script is another 1 |
| 11:12.18 | atoponce | /dev/mapper/kratos-root is mounted on / |
| 11:12.33 | internat2 | whats the command to be able to rerun xorg config if youve already chagned the file? |
| 11:12.40 | internat2 | some md5hash thing? |
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| 11:12.57 | simonrvn | atoponce: so, now, is everything on /, or do you have it split up into /var, /usr, /home etc? |
| 11:12.59 | dutchfish | internat2, dpkge-reconfigure xserver-xorg (etch) |
| 11:13.26 | dutchfish | internat2, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (etch) |
| 11:13.42 | atoponce | simonrvn: well, i can't recall exactly. i think i just did / and /home |
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| 11:13.54 | atoponce | simonrvn: how could i find out for sure? |
| 11:14.14 | cast | post your fstab |
| 11:14.21 | simonrvn | atoponce: try running aptitude clean, then try again (mount command will tell you if it's the case or not, it being split up) |
| 11:15.45 | atoponce | simonrvn: ok. that cleaned up about a gig |
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| 11:16.48 | stafai | boohoo |
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| 11:17.00 | stafai | Etch can't see my network card or my graphics card |
| 11:17.01 | atoponce | cast: /, /boot, /home and /media/cdrom0 are listed |
| 11:17.10 | atoponce | in /etc/fstab |
| 11:17.18 | simonrvn | hm ok |
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| 11:17.31 | cast | how big is /home? |
| 11:17.58 | mikes | hello! i just bought a new disk, made partition copied the old partitions to the new ones, reinstalled grub and everything seems to work fine. do i need to do smth extra? |
| 11:18.05 | dutchfish | stafai, duringinstall? |
| 11:18.28 | atoponce | cast: /home is 82GB with 746MB used |
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| 11:18.44 | stafai | dutchfish: nah, I ignored it then |
| 11:18.53 | stafai | it's still having problems, but I think I found a driver |
| 11:18.55 | stafai | it's a .ko file |
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| 11:19.09 | atoponce | simonrvn: what is causing the run away filling of / if aptitude clean opened up 1.1GB? |
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| 11:19.22 | dutchfish | stafai, try booting with NOAPIC in your kernels config line ;) maybe burken chipset |
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| 11:19.41 | stafai | what does that do? |
| 11:19.45 | cast | atoponce: is /home in lvm too? |
| 11:19.47 | simonrvn | atoponce: just downloaded packages. it only "runs away" if you don't periodically clean it out ;) |
| 11:20.15 | cast | atoponce: i suggest, and you can do this all without rebooting, is umount /home, shrink it [hopefully possible], reallocate that space to root, grow root, remount /home |
| 11:20.17 | atoponce | simonrvn: fair enough. what's filling the other 5.3GB? |
| 11:20.39 | simonrvn | atoponce: /var /usr other stuff |
| 11:20.39 | dutchfish | stafai, what nic you have btw? |
| 11:21.04 | simonrvn | if s/he has ext3 should be doable |
| 11:21.36 | atoponce | simonrvn: so, after aptitude installs, good practice to aptitude clean right after words? |
| 11:21.43 | stafai | it's onboard I think |
| 11:21.53 | stafai | it's an Attansic gigabit ethernet card or something |
| 11:21.54 | atoponce | any other good tips such as that, to keep the system clean? |
| 11:21.59 | stafai | how do I install a .ko file? |
| 11:21.59 | cast | atoponce: not nec. i never do |
| 11:22.02 | dutchfish | stafai, right. try NOAPIC |
| 11:22.06 | simonrvn | atoponce: well, you can, i do |
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| 11:22.18 | cast | 787M/var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 11:22.26 | simonrvn | atoponce: 'afterwards' |
| 11:22.33 | stafai | um, where's my kernel's config line? (sorry!) |
| 11:22.40 | atoponce | :) |
| 11:22.47 | atoponce | picky picky |
| 11:22.57 | dutchfish | stafai, http://atl1.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:23.01 | simonrvn | sometimes =) |
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| 11:23.38 | atoponce | so, is 6.6GB enough space for / on a 100GB hdd? or should i trim down /home, and cast recommends, and give it to /? |
| 11:23.52 | stafai | yes, thaat's the one I found! |
| 11:24.05 | dutchfish | stafai, in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:24.23 | simonrvn | /dev/mapper/system /usr 15327.3 8383.9 6943.5 55% jfs |
| 11:24.52 | cast | if you want to know how much my system takes up... /var is 1gb, / is 2.6gb |
| 11:25.09 | simonrvn | /dev/mapper/system /var 4079.7 594.2 3485.5 15% jfs |
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| 11:25.15 | atoponce | i would think that 6.6 wolud be more than enough |
| 11:25.29 | cast | dunno, how much would kde+gnome take? |
| 11:25.46 | atoponce | dunno. don't have kde installed |
| 11:25.49 | cast | atoponce: run filelight now that you're in xwindows, as root on / |
| 11:25.51 | simonrvn | i have 500 MB for / but i also have /var and /usr split |
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| 11:27.02 | raz0 | I only have 250MB for /, but I also have /usr and /var split |
| 11:27.06 | simonrvn | cast: take a look at mine, i have xfce, kde, gnome, a few large games, plus a few small window managers plus emacs and emacs-snapshot installed |
| 11:27.22 | atoponce | i'd really like to know what's taking up all that space though |
| 11:27.27 | atoponce | seems pretty heavy to me |
| 11:27.32 | simonrvn | on a 30 gb drive |
| 11:27.36 | cast | simonrvn: can you paste the column heading line then :P |
| 11:27.42 | dutchfish | stafai, read this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=454675 |
| 11:27.51 | cast | atoponce: hence filelight, or xdiskusage, or similar app. |
| 11:27.54 | simonrvn | di\nFilesystem Mount Megs Used Avail %Used fs Type |
| 11:28.07 | abrotman | !sort by size |
| 11:28.07 | dpkg | methinks sort by size is perl -e 'while (<>) { chomp; if (/^Package: /) { s/^.* //; $pkg = $_; } if (/^Installed-Size: /) { s/^.* //; $package{$_} = $pkg; } } foreach $key (sort {$b <=> $a} keys %package) { printf "%s: %s\n", $package{$key}, $key; }' < /var/lib/dpkg/available, or see man grep-dctrl (from dctrl-tools package) |
| 11:28.40 | atoponce | ugh. perl. |
| 11:29.25 | xdr | anyone know how to finde out your modelines= |
| 11:29.28 | troubled | you shut your yap |
| 11:29.38 | xdr | !modelines |
| 11:29.47 | simonrvn | !modeline |
| 11:29.47 | dpkg | you can create custom modelines at http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/faq/vga2rgb/calc.html, or http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl, or apt-get install videogen, or modeline |
| 11:31.01 | simonrvn | when did zsh start printing out the command description too? |
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| 11:31.26 | simonrvn | when i did: deb i got stuff like this: debpkg -- wrapper for dpkg |
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| 11:33.21 | stafai | dutchfish: ok I added that, but when I tried to install the tar.gz thing it said 'no targets for install found' or something like that |
| 11:33.34 | stafai | I typed 'make install' |
| 11:34.03 | dutchfish | stafai, i have no clue, i cant test your driver & hardware :( |
| 11:34.25 | simonrvn | stafai: did you build it? |
| 11:34.29 | Nielsen | stafai: did you run ./configure first? |
| 11:34.37 | stafai | oh, I didn't know you had to :| |
| 11:34.39 | stafai | sorry! |
| 11:34.46 | stafai | brb ^_^ |
| 11:35.06 | abrotman | that'll go well .. |
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| 11:36.16 | atoponce | heh |
| 11:36.17 | stafai | oh, it just says no configure file found |
| 11:36.30 | atoponce | i guess i sholud clean up the linux kernel sources if i don't need them any longer |
| 11:36.36 | atoponce | that could be problematic |
| 11:36.49 | dutchfish | abrotman, i had installed latest sec update for kernel 2.6.18.5-i386 and initramfs burbps on rebuilding initrdimage just to inform you |
| 11:37.12 | abrotman | dutchfish: uhm .. i did a few of them last night and didn't see that |
| 11:37.39 | dutchfish | abrotman, oops typo 2.6.18.5-i686 |
| 11:37.49 | abrotman | yeah ... |
| 11:37.56 | abrotman | still didn't see it :) |
| 11:38.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, i could reboot and rebuild manually that worked, strange |
| 11:38.58 | stafai | can I add apic any place on the kernel line? |
| 11:39.03 | abrotman | dutchfish: didn't you have the same problem with the last one ? |
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| 11:39.14 | abrotman | apic=noapic IIRC |
| 11:39.16 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes |
| 11:39.22 | stafai | ok |
| 11:39.38 | abrotman | dutchfish: maybe next time you should do some logging when you try to intsall the next one .. file a bug |
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| 11:40.19 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes i will, it are the same systems wich runned into depmod problems with the previous patch |
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| 11:40.37 | abrotman | dutchfish: you broke it |
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| 11:41.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, not really, after manually rebuilding all seams fine |
| 11:41.32 | abrotman | but it shouldn't require that |
| 11:41.40 | dutchfish | abrotman, yup |
| 11:42.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, i crammed through all the logs but still clue-less |
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| 11:43.45 | dutchfish | abrotman, i suspect i has something to do with sata and my 1T disks & drivers |
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| 11:45.01 | dutchfish | zinx, you know something i have overlooked or dont know? |
| 11:45.02 | cast | wonder why ZFS decided to have a 255 byte filename limit |
| 11:45.17 | abrotman | cast: to foil managers |
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| 11:46.21 | niagin | !tell me about nvidia |
| 11:46.22 | cast | ironically when downloading opensolaris community edition...the download sites default name comes up as this huge path exceeding 255 chars, so i had problems with ff downloading it [as would any non-reiser user] |
| 11:46.42 | niagin | !tell me about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:46.58 | cast | !tell niagin to message the bot |
| 11:47.04 | cast | :( |
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| 11:47.17 | war | Deborphan is one what are some other tools to look for unused packages? |
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| 11:47.34 | CharlieKane | !nvidia |
| 11:47.34 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 11:47.39 | CharlieKane | ah |
| 11:47.43 | simonrvn | cast: s,to message,about msg, |
| 11:47.45 | cast | you have two choices, deborphan and user apt-get, or just use aptitude |
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| 11:48.19 | qrck | i don't get route to sourceforge.net's anon cvs reps how come ? |
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| 11:48.49 | qrck | behind a firewall, do i have to take care of something ? |
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| 11:49.49 | abrotman | qrck: are you sure it's even up and running ? |
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| 11:50.14 | qrck | abrotman, it is as i can view the cvs tree with viewcvs in a browser |
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| 11:50.29 | qrck | but not from commandline |
| 11:50.30 | qrck | heh |
| 11:50.45 | dutchfish | abrotman, i have found the culprit, its apcupsd that messes up the update process |
| 11:50.47 | qrck | tells me just no route.... |
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| 11:51.09 | cast | isn't viewcvs run on http? |
| 11:51.14 | cast | and cvs over cvs://... |
| 11:51.29 | abrotman | dutchfish: really ? |
| 11:51.33 | dutchfish | abrotman, gona check that on next system with it unloaded |
| 11:52.02 | CharlieKane | The Debian channel on freenode has a very helpful bot |
| 11:52.11 | CharlieKane | Good to know these things |
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| 11:53.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, no problems now on this one :) i suspect its because i use it over serial port (they are quiet old ups's) |
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| 11:53.23 | cast | CharlieKane: i think its safe to assume nearly all of freenode is helpful |
| 11:53.42 | qrck | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.zthread.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/zthread login; then blank passwd and get no route |
| 11:53.43 | CharlieKane | cast: indeed |
| 11:53.44 | abrotman | dutchfish: you could tell the kernel team i guess |
| 11:54.13 | abrotman | cast: have you ever tried to get help in some channels? dead or rude .. and that's sad coming from someine in #debian :) |
| 11:54.14 | dutchfish | abrotman, i first gona recheck on a test system, i want to know why, first |
| 11:54.19 | zamuro | cast: That's the sucky part about first impressions: You can only make one |
| 11:54.37 | cast | cvs [login aborted]: connect to cvs.zthread.sourceforge.net(66.35.250.209):2401 failed: No route to host |
| 11:54.45 | cast | guess its not you qrck |
| 11:54.47 | mike | Debian need to have a proper live installable live cd |
| 11:54.48 | abrotman | admittedly .. i've gotten more help in the last few days then i had in the last few months |
| 11:54.49 | qrck | oh ok |
| 11:54.51 | qrck | thank you |
| 11:54.59 | cast | unless your command was wrong..i just pasted it |
| 11:55.06 | abrotman | qrck: i think there's a sourceforge irc channel |
| 11:55.09 | mike | cmon debian |
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| 11:55.24 | qrck | command was right, got it from their website |
| 11:55.36 | qrck | unless it's outdated |
| 11:55.47 | cast | abrotman: the dead is annoying...i like the rude. i'd hate it if i had to be polite to people |
| 11:56.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, the only hint is in the apcupsd logs, "can not query on serial port 0, process aborted abnormally" |
| 11:56.27 | abrotman | cast: there comes a point where it's useless rude .. |
| 11:56.39 | cast | indeed. fairy nuff |
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| 11:56.58 | cast | i should rather say i like rude people who are still helpful |
| 11:57.19 | cast | eg: Guerin at times |
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| 11:59.24 | cast | i think the only thing that really winds me up is being told you're wrong without explaination, or people being insistant that they are right |
| 11:59.28 | mike | Debian 4.0 needs a live cd ,,installable |
| 11:59.42 | Nielsen | cast: i know the feeling |
| 11:59.50 | cast | [which they're not...if you are right then sure, but if theres a chance you're not right don't be insistant about it...] |
| 12:00.24 | CharlieKane | mike: yes it would be nice |
| 12:00.45 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 12:00.46 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 12:00.46 | cast | mike: well, debian-live is a new thing - give it time |
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| 12:06.16 | mike | cast, i love Debian and will wait,Its the best distro out there |
| 12:07.45 | L0cKn | mike: true true :) |
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| 12:07.58 | L0cKn | Debian = BEST |
| 12:07.58 | L0cKn | :D |
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| 12:08.13 | CharlieKane | I'm still undecided on that one |
| 12:08.40 | dutchfish | i like debian very much, but there is always room for improvements |
| 12:08.41 | Aim_Here | !tell dpkg about CharlieKane's heresy |
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| 12:08.50 | nuxis_ | hey I installed the official NVIDIA driver for my nVIDIA GeForce 5200 and everything is running too nice but if I restart my computer I get an error that x cannot be restarted however if I install the driver again it runs back nicly |
| 12:09.22 | liable | Aim_Here: erm, you want the bot to tell itself something? |
| 12:10.25 | CharlieKane | I installed Debian the other night. I will keep it on my PC and see how I feel about it in a couple of weeks. The jury remains out atm. |
| 12:10.34 | nuxis_ | anyone got an idea what could be the problem? |
| 12:11.42 | abrotman | how did you install them ? |
| 12:11.56 | Aim_Here | liable, it was a joke |
| 12:11.57 | nuxis_ | well I download it and installed it as root "sh NVIDIA..." |
| 12:12.03 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:12.03 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
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| 12:12.25 | nuxis_ | abrotman: I used the open-source driver for a while but with the official I get bether performance |
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| 12:12.44 | abrotman | nuxis_: use the above method |
| 12:12.46 | mike | numist, You dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xord,,? |
| 12:12.53 | mike | d=g |
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| 12:13.02 | abrotman | you didn't even ask the right person |
| 12:13.11 | mike | hell |
| 12:13.15 | abrotman | nuxis_: the above uses the debian way to install the binary crap nvidia stuff |
| 12:13.17 | nuxis_ | abrotman: but I wanna use the official driver because my games run much bether on it .. |
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| 12:13.25 | mike | ok its late here :) |
| 12:13.41 | abrotman | nuxis_: and i'm telling you to use the above command |
| 12:13.42 | nuxis_ | it runs very nice but it just do something at the restart that it doesn't load something |
| 12:13.50 | abrotman | it apparently isn't better .. since it doesn't work |
| 12:14.02 | abrotman | so try the above method .. |
| 12:14.08 | nuxis_ | I tried it.................; |
| 12:14.18 | abrotman | and did you have the reinstall problem ? |
| 12:14.33 | nuxis_ | nope but also my graphics are not so good |
| 12:14.34 | abrotman | nuxis_: you could also ask #nvidia |
| 12:14.38 | nuxis_ | ok |
| 12:14.59 | nuxis_ | that is the unooficial driver support... |
| 12:15.07 | petemc | nuxis_: you seem to be confusing the free nv driver with the debian method of installing the non free nvidia driver |
| 12:15.19 | abrotman | i doubt there is official nviida binary driver support |
| 12:15.47 | abrotman | nuxis_: you're not install the nvnidia driver the debian way .. i don't know anything about thte shell script .. ask #nvidia |
| 12:15.55 | nuxis_ | petemc: no I know how to install the free nvidia driver and it runs nice but with the official driver I downloaded it runs even bether my problem is just that I get a error on the start up |
| 12:16.01 | nuxis_ | when I restart my computer |
| 12:16.07 | petemc | damn |
| 12:16.17 | abrotman | nuxis_: when you say "free nvidia driver" .. how did you do that ? |
| 12:16.24 | nuxis_ | the method above |
| 12:16.37 | abrotman | it's the same driver youre installing from nvidia.com |
| 12:16.40 | abrotman | just an older version |
| 12:16.41 | petemc | nuxis_: you refuse to listen, enjoy reinstalling the driver every time you reboot |
| 12:16.52 | abrotman | your card is old enough that it really shouldn't make a huge difference |
| 12:17.19 | mike | Buy a new card, |
| 12:17.25 | petemc | great advice! |
| 12:17.27 | nuxis_ | nevermind you're not helping me and I'm listen because i DID the old install |
| 12:17.29 | abrotman | buy a free card |
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| 12:17.41 | abrotman | nuxis_: right .. and we told you to ask #nvidia |
| 12:17.47 | nuxis_ | but now I have bether graphics with the driver from the website |
| 12:17.51 | abrotman | nuxis_: our method works .. theirs doesn't |
| 12:18.04 | nuxis_ | right and I'm saying that it is the channel for the non-free friver |
| 12:18.13 | abrotman | and that's what you're using |
| 12:18.21 | nuxis_ | eerhm no |
| 12:18.25 | abrotman | uhm .. yes |
| 12:18.25 | petemc | weee |
| 12:18.38 | nuxis_ | so the driver they use come from www.nvidia.com? |
| 12:18.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:18.57 | Ronin | like watching a monty python sketch |
| 12:18.58 | abrotman | nv and noveau are free .. nvidia is not |
| 12:19.08 | abrotman | Ronin: but i'm not enjoying it :) |
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| 12:19.52 | Ronin | long as you didnt take the coffee you'll be fine |
| 12:20.04 | petemc | is "popcorn" a euphamism? |
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| 12:20.38 | petemc | s/ham/hem/ |
| 12:21.00 | abrotman | nuxis_: are you adjusted now ? |
| 12:21.15 | cast_ | my god, i've seen my own death |
| 12:21.25 | Aim_Here | When is it? |
| 12:21.26 | abrotman | cast_: cotton gin ? |
| 12:21.38 | Aim_Here | And are you in good health now? |
| 12:21.39 | nuxis_ | abrotman: how do you mean? |
| 12:21.47 | abrotman | nuxis_: do you understand what's going on ? |
| 12:22.00 | cast_ | it was 60 seconds ago. i can only assume that abrotman and Aim_Here are like the kid from the 6th sense |
| 12:22.03 | nuxis_ | abrotman: not exactly I'm not following |
| 12:22.28 | Aim_Here | Bummer. I was hoping to take out some life insurance. |
| 12:22.37 | abrotman | nuxis_: when you use the "nvidia one-liner" .. it uses the debian method to install the nvidia.com binary driver .. |
| 12:22.40 | nuxis_ | ok abrotman I will reinstall the other driver |
| 12:22.51 | nuxis_ | yea ok but it just I wanned the new driver :p |
| 12:22.59 | abrotman | nuxis_: you can use the nvidia.com method .. but we can't help you with it .. #nvidia can |
| 12:23.15 | cast_ | Aim_Here: ...and marry me? |
| 12:23.17 | nuxis_ | ok I'm sorry |
| 12:23.32 | Aim_Here | That would depend if you're rich or not |
| 12:23.33 | abrotman | nuxis_: there are free/open-source drivers for nvidia cards called 'nv' and 'noveau', but they may or may not work with your card |
| 12:23.45 | abrotman | and i can't spell nouveau |
| 12:23.48 | abrotman | or whatever itis |
| 12:23.50 | abrotman | !nouveau |
| 12:23.54 | abrotman | nope ... oh well |
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| 12:25.03 | cas0 | Q: where does the output of the /etc/init.d scripts go to during boot? how can I view the output? |
| 12:25.50 | cast_ | the screen? |
| 12:26.02 | abrotman | !nouveau is <reply>Nouveau : Open Source 3D acceleration for nVidia cards, http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ |
| 12:26.02 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 12:26.12 | nuxis_ | abrotman: ok I wanna install the on-liner again but the problem is the new driver is installed any idea how I remove the whole thing? |
| 12:26.29 | abrotman | nuxis_: i would hope it has an uninstall fuction .. but i've never used it |
| 12:26.51 | mike | If buying Nvidia ,,Get a decent card not a crapper |
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| 12:27.00 | nuxis_ | mike: it is a good card |
| 12:27.08 | abrotman | with bad drivers! |
| 12:27.47 | cas0 | cast_: running a headless server, they dont get logged anywhere? |
| 12:27.53 | dutchfish | mike, can you recommend me a good nvidia card for debian? |
| 12:28.05 | mike | abrotman, i load the drivers from "sid; non-free |
| 12:28.13 | abrotman | mike: ? |
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| 12:28.25 | abrotman | still bad drivers! |
| 12:28.48 | mike | dutchfish, Yes like a geForce fx |
| 12:28.54 | SpeedyG | hm, is there a flash player available for iceweasel ? o_0 |
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| 12:29.04 | dutchfish | mike, wich one? |
| 12:29.09 | cast_ | SpeedyG: yes. |
| 12:29.12 | mike | dutchfish, Yes like a geForce or gt even |
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| 12:29.15 | SpeedyG | just installed the one from adobe, but youtube keeps telling me its not installed.. :( |
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| 12:29.24 | abrotman | wow .. that nouveau driver is pretty much uesless right now |
| 12:29.36 | abrotman | !tell SpeedyG about flash |
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| 12:29.51 | dutchfish | mike, i ask this because all my nvidia cards where a big hassle to install |
| 12:30.23 | cas0 | anybody? does output of /etc/init.d/* during boot get logged anywhere? |
| 12:30.43 | mike | dutchfish, Hell try ati :0 |
| 12:30.55 | dutchfish | mike, that was not my question |
| 12:30.58 | mike | Nvidia is a dream |
| 12:31.00 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 12:31.01 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 12:31.05 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 12:31.26 | cas0 | abrotman: nice.. thanks. |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | might not yield any more info |
| 12:32.39 | SpeedyG | abrotman: so basically there's no flash atm for etch? |
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| 12:32.47 | abrotman | sure there is |
| 12:32.52 | abrotman | it's just non-free |
| 12:33.00 | mike | in non-free |
| 12:33.06 | mike | ^^ |
| 12:33.15 | mike | Very easy |
| 12:33.18 | abrotman | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 12:33.21 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 12:33.39 | abrotman | SpeedyG: oh .. the security warning ? |
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| 12:34.23 | abrotman | SpeedyG: okay .. uhm .. myself.. i just go to aadobe.com get the tar.gz .. and drop the .so in the plugins directiry for each browser i want to have flash |
| 12:34.27 | SpeedyG | abrotman: yes... |
| 12:34.35 | nuxis_ | abrotman: once someone give me a link to install the nvidia driver on the debian way you know where that could be can't find anything on google.. |
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| 12:34.49 | wols_ | !nvidia |
| 12:34.49 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 12:34.53 | nuxis_ | sorry got it |
| 12:34.56 | nuxis_ | yea :) |
| 12:35.09 | abrotman | !tell nuxis_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:35.14 | abrotman | oh .. that URL .. gotcha |
| 12:35.18 | SpeedyG | abrotman: for iceweasel, that'd be /usr/lib/iceweasel right? |
| 12:35.27 | abrotman | /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins/ or so |
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| 12:35.48 | mike | Debian 4.0 is excellent. |
| 12:35.54 | SpeedyG | well, thats basically what i've done |
| 12:35.56 | SpeedyG | but it doesnt work :( |
| 12:36.18 | mike | purchase an Nvidia GT and enjoy |
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| 12:36.37 | abrotman | SpeedyG: about:plugins .. is it listed? |
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| 12:37.14 | SpeedyG | yes |
| 12:37.20 | nuxis_ | abrotman: I have everything for the nvidia driver but the problem is that that other driver alredy is installed and I don't know how to remove it |
| 12:37.33 | wols_ | nuxis_: define "other driver" |
| 12:37.42 | paxcoder | hello everyone, is there someone using testing repositories here? |
| 12:37.51 | nuxis_ | wosl_ the driver I downloaded from www.nvidia.com |
| 12:37.51 | wols_ | !tell paxcoder about ask |
| 12:37.56 | mike | yep ,,sid as well |
| 12:38.01 | abrotman | nuxis_: ask #nvidia |
| 12:38.03 | moshii | paxcoder: you meaning running testing? sure |
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| 12:38.14 | nuxis_ | no one answers :( |
| 12:38.16 | SpeedyG | hm, going to 2advanced.com gives me either browser crashes or 'you do not have flashplayer 8 or higher' messages |
| 12:38.25 | mike | paxcoder, Tell all? |
| 12:38.37 | geo-rge | SpeedyG: so you' |
| 12:38.40 | abrotman | nuxis_: be patient .. people like to sleep you know :) |
| 12:38.45 | nuxis_ | :p |
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| 12:38.52 | mike | :) |
| 12:38.53 | geo-rge | SpeedyG: so you're not 2advanced... |
| 12:38.55 | paxcoder | so, i've got stabile, but i added repositories to be testing, i want to upgrad, but it still stays 'all new versions' |
| 12:38.56 | abrotman | SpeedyG: try another flash site |
| 12:39.12 | paxcoder | and it doesn't upgrade anything |
| 12:39.21 | moshii | paxcoder: you need to do a dist-upgrade |
| 12:39.29 | wols_ | paxcoder: remove stable repos, use dist-upgrade |
| 12:39.30 | paxcoder | yes, that 2 |
| 12:39.34 | moshii | paxcoder: and you shouldn't have both stable and testing |
| 12:39.35 | abrotman | SpeedyG: http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/about/ |
| 12:39.47 | paxcoder | 0 new |
| 12:39.52 | paxcoder | i have only testing, sry |
| 12:39.59 | moshii | paxcoder: mixing stable+testing=much badness |
| 12:40.04 | wols_ | paxcoder: did you do an apt-get update? |
| 12:40.06 | abrotman | paxcoder: in how long ? |
| 12:40.09 | paxcoder | yes |
| 12:40.15 | paxcoder | quits immediately |
| 12:40.22 | paxcoder | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 12:40.39 | moshii | paxcoder: did you update your package lists.. apt-get update |
| 12:40.43 | paxcoder | yes |
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| 12:40.57 | mike | paxcoder, testing and Nvidia are not sorted yet |
| 12:41.05 | paxcoder | how do you mean? |
| 12:41.05 | mike | What card?\ |
| 12:41.09 | paxcoder | nvidia |
| 12:41.12 | moshii | paxcoder: and it downloaded the new lists? |
| 12:41.15 | mike | yes |
| 12:41.18 | paxcoder | yes |
| 12:41.33 | paxcoder | (that was to moshii) |
| 12:41.50 | mike | paxcoder, I use Debian 4.0 and Sidux |
| 12:42.00 | paxcoder | moshii: sidux? |
| 12:42.04 | mike | Testing has pained me\ |
| 12:42.10 | SpeedyG | abrotman: that doesnt show the 'flashplayer is installed' screen :( |
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| 12:42.25 | abrotman | SpeedyG: check your plugin dir |
| 12:42.28 | paxcoder | mike: sidux? :-) |
| 12:42.41 | Ronin | !sidux |
| 12:42.42 | wols_ | paxcoder: not debian |
| 12:42.44 | Ronin | or not |
| 12:42.46 | paxcoder | anyway, i don't see anything new |
| 12:42.51 | SpeedyG | abrotman: the plugin is there |
| 12:42.53 | paxcoder | no new pkgs |
| 12:42.56 | mike | paxcoder, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=sidux |
| 12:43.01 | wols_ | Ronin: a mepis fork iirc |
| 12:43.03 | mike | Debian sid |
| 12:43.07 | Ronin | wols_: ahh |
| 12:43.07 | abrotman | SpeedyG: did you restart your browser ? all instaces ? |
| 12:43.14 | SpeedyG | as far as I know I did |
| 12:43.15 | wols_ | !tell paxcoder about bat |
| 12:43.24 | paxcoder | mike: I'M not interested in new distros |
| 12:43.44 | wols_ | paxcoder: dpkg told you what to do |
| 12:43.47 | harpal | how can I do auto indent to a file? |
| 12:43.57 | wols_ | harpal: man indent |
| 12:44.07 | paxcoder | wols_: i think that's not neccessary |
| 12:44.07 | wols_ | there are several indent packages afaik |
| 12:44.22 | wols_ | paxcoder: cool. then it'snot necessary for us to help you either. have a good day |
| 12:45.01 | mike | lol |
| 12:45.08 | paxcoder | i just edited /etc/apt/sources.lst, and updated, upgraded. it downloaded new things, no new pkgs |
| 12:45.20 | mike | damn reputation |
| 12:45.28 | Nielsen | paxcoder: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:45.40 | paxcoder | yes, "upgraded" |
| 12:45.46 | paxcoder | nothing new |
| 12:46.04 | harpal | wols_:thanx a lot |
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| 12:46.10 | Nielsen | paxcoder: okay, but apt-get upgrade != apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:46.26 | paxcoder | that is what i meant |
| 12:46.40 | paxcoder | i did dist-upgrade |
| 12:46.44 | Nielsen | ok |
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| 12:46.45 | mike | paxcoder, net install lenny |
| 12:46.50 | paxcoder | i see, for example pidgin pkg on debian.org, but i don't see it insynaptic |
| 12:46.54 | paxcoder | mike: how? |
| 12:47.11 | paxcoder | lenny is testing, or what? |
| 12:47.33 | paxcoder | and what does it meen upgrade from testing to stabile? isn't that downgrading? |
| 12:47.34 | mike | yes |
| 12:47.55 | SpeedyG | abrotman: iceweasel now gave a segfault.. |
| 12:48.00 | paxcoder | mike: would i have to format the disk? |
| 12:48.10 | mike | paxcoder, you are going from stable to testing ok? |
| 12:48.16 | paxcoder | yes? |
| 12:48.33 | abrotman | SpeedyG: with the new flash ? |
| 12:48.36 | paxcoder | mike: so what should i do? |
| 12:48.52 | paxcoder | do i have to reinstall or what? |
| 12:48.54 | Aim_Here | One instance of a package gets upgraded from tested to stable. Your distro would be downgraded, versionwise if it went the same way |
| 12:48.54 | mike | ok save /home and fresh is best |
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| 12:49.03 | abrotman | SpeedyG: you could just grab the libflash-nonfree from unstable |
| 12:49.06 | SpeedyG | abrotman: when going from youtube.com to 2advanced.com |
| 12:49.08 | paxcoder | mike: can't i just upgrade to testing? |
| 12:49.16 | abrotman | SpeedyG: it's possible that site is broken |
| 12:49.22 | SpeedyG | abrotman: nope |
| 12:49.28 | SpeedyG | I had this particular problem before |
| 12:49.38 | SpeedyG | on another box though.. but I had this before |
| 12:49.45 | abrotman | doesn't mean the site isn't broken |
| 12:50.05 | SpeedyG | flash giving an error on $site1, and when going to $site2 containing flash, iceweasel (or back then it was just firefox ;) ) crashed |
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| 12:50.16 | paxcoder | mike, you there? |
| 12:50.19 | mike | paxcoder, You can but i have found a fresh install much more stable |
| 12:50.32 | SpeedyG | it didnt matter what site it was, when it contained flash, it just crashed :) |
| 12:50.44 | mike | paxcoder, Just from personal experience |
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| 12:50.52 | abrotman | SpeedyG: is iceweseal using the newer plugin ? |
| 12:50.59 | abrotman | flash sucks |
| 12:51.08 | paxcoder | mike: i don't want to bother, it isn't that important, i just want to do it quick. how can i upgrade? |
| 12:51.15 | SpeedyG | flash sucks for sure. but this isnt my box, so I have to have flash on it :( |
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| 12:51.36 | abrotman | SpeedyG: make sure it's using the right one |
| 12:51.50 | mike | paxcoder, ok just edit repos,,from stable to testing or lenny |
| 12:52.09 | abrotman | SpeedyG: is it ? |
| 12:52.18 | mike | then ,,apt-get update |
| 12:52.20 | paxcoder | mike: can you pm me the file please? |
| 12:52.30 | mike | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:52.35 | SpeedyG | abrotman: how can I check which it is using ? |
| 12:52.41 | paxcoder | mike: because, i did add testing, and nothing happened |
| 12:52.47 | paxcoder | mike: but i'm etch |
| 12:52.47 | abrotman | SpeedyG: about:plugins |
| 12:52.53 | Ronin | paxcoder: paste your sources.list to pastebin.ca |
| 12:53.05 | abrotman | canadian! |
| 12:53.08 | mike | paxcoder, You ,,apt-get update? |
| 12:53.09 | Ronin | indeed |
| 12:53.21 | paxcoder | mike: yes |
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| 12:53.35 | paxcoder | mike: i said so many times, update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, what not |
| 12:53.37 | mike | paxcoder, any errors/ |
| 12:53.48 | paxcoder | mike: no, says: "nothing new" |
| 12:54.12 | SpeedyG | abrotman: File: libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48 |
| 12:54.21 | SpeedyG | so it's using the right one.. |
| 12:54.25 | abrotman | SpeedyG: is this gnome or kde ? |
| 12:54.36 | mike | So you replaced stable with lenny in all the repo's? |
| 12:54.38 | paxcoder | mike: what is it? |
| 12:54.39 | SpeedyG | xfce |
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| 12:54.49 | Ronin | ok one last time |
| 12:54.49 | abrotman | FWIW >. i find epiphany to be less crashy |
| 12:54.50 | Ronin | paxcoder: paste your sources.list to pastebin.ca |
| 12:55.07 | mike | Ronin, Good thinking |
| 12:55.32 | mike | paxcoder, ^^ |
| 12:55.35 | paxcoder | ronin: it has only 3 lines |
| 12:55.40 | paxcoder | let me get it |
| 12:55.41 | paxcoder | ... |
| 12:55.50 | mike | !paste |
| 12:55.50 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 12:56.05 | paxcoder | mike: 3 lines |
| 12:56.11 | abrotman | pastebin it! |
| 12:56.20 | mike | as above ^^ |
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| 12:56.29 | paxcoder | whereeee? |
| 12:56.39 | Ronin | read the dpkg post |
| 12:56.40 | paxcoder | wth? i'm not ircer |
| 12:56.50 | paxcoder | i use this for chat |
| 12:56.59 | abrotman | SpeedyG: are you on stable or testing or what ? |
| 12:57.10 | abrotman | that 2advanced siteworks on epiphany on lenny here |
| 12:57.16 | Ronin | paxcoder: paste your sources.list to pastebin.ca |
| 12:57.26 | Ronin | going to wear out that up arrow at this rate |
| 12:57.36 | SpeedyG | abrotman: yes, but I think i've fixed it :) |
| 12:57.42 | abrotman | ? |
| 12:57.43 | SpeedyG | removed all flash stuff on the system |
| 12:57.51 | abrotman | decent plan :) |
| 12:58.06 | SpeedyG | and just c/p'ed the .so file from a newly downloaded package (from adobe.com) to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins |
| 12:58.09 | SpeedyG | and now it works :D |
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| 12:58.26 | abrotman | SpeedyG: whomever designed that site should be shot |
| 12:58.35 | SpeedyG | true |
| 12:58.46 | SpeedyG | but it's a good, and easy to remember flash-testing site ;) |
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| 12:59.56 | SpeedyG | Ronin: depends on what they're doing there.. ;) |
| 12:59.56 | petemc | could be a cat up a tree |
| 13:00.13 | moshii | petemc: or a cat on fire |
| 13:00.31 | abrotman | Ronin: how drunk were you last night ? |
| 13:00.36 | mike | lol |
| 13:00.56 | paxcoder | mike: where's pastebin? |
| 13:01.01 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:01.01 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 13:01.16 | Ronin | paxcoder: for crying out loud pastebin.ca or one of the ones in the dpkg msg |
| 13:01.27 | Ronin | some moron hit a power pole and broke a line free |
| 13:01.41 | abrotman | Ronin: checked your car ? |
| 13:01.46 | Ronin | abrotman: if i had one i would |
| 13:01.53 | abrotman | lazy foreigner |
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| 13:02.02 | paxcoder | ronin: want me to upload it? |
| 13:02.06 | abrotman | can't even keep a job long enough to afford a car to get fat in |
| 13:02.09 | paxcoder | ronin: !? |
| 13:02.16 | abrotman | paxcoder: YES UPLOAD IT |
| 13:02.18 | Ronin | paxcoder: paste your sources.list to pastebin.ca |
| 13:02.26 | Ronin | finger is getting sore doing that |
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| 13:03.08 | r3tex | how can I prevent a certain module from being loaded by the kernel? |
| 13:03.22 | abrotman | !tell r3tex about blacklist |
| 13:03.38 | niagin | why is there no autoremove in apt? |
| 13:03.55 | moshii | niagin: use aptitude |
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| 13:04.12 | abrotman | there is in newer versions |
| 13:05.02 | liable | oh rly? |
| 13:05.04 | niagin | moshii: if i use aptitude to remove, does it also autoremove? |
| 13:05.10 | liable | no |
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| 13:05.18 | r3tex | abrotman: thanks! I only found the hotplug blacklist :P |
| 13:05.19 | liable | only if you used it to install |
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| 13:05.44 | paxcoder | mike, ronin, abortman: here it is: public.carnet.hr/~lmarceti/sources.lst |
| 13:05.53 | liable | hehe |
| 13:06.23 | moshii | niagin: use aptitude when you install stuff and it will mark what package you install manually and which were pulled in automatically |
| 13:06.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:06.23 | war | My OpenOFffice in debian testing looks like TRASH, how to fix? http://209.160.39.248/~war/ss.jpg |
| 13:06.29 | moshii | niagin: you can also mark packages as automatically installed.. read el manual |
| 13:06.29 | paxcoder | abortman: i uploaded it to my server, can you see it? |
| 13:06.40 | abrotman | paxcoder: you have no "main" |
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| 13:06.48 | moshii | oops |
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| 13:07.05 | war | ... |
| 13:07.29 | paxcoder | paxcoder: can you tell me where to put it, or do you have to put it on pastebin.ca? >:-[ |
| 13:07.35 | moshii | war: LyX is very nice if you don't want to be arsed with learning LaTeX too |
| 13:07.42 | war | I just want OO to look nice |
| 13:07.53 | paxcoder | ^^ abortman: to you, not to me :-) |
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| 13:08.13 | Ronin | paxcoder: add main to your list |
| 13:08.19 | moshii | war: did you install the kde bits for oo.. |
| 13:08.21 | paxcoder | ronin: where? |
| 13:08.35 | moshii | war: also if you want something that looks nice in kde use koffice |
| 13:08.36 | paxcoder | befor or after testing |
| 13:08.36 | abrotman | Ronin: at the end of each line |
| 13:08.49 | Ronin | abrotman: ? |
| 13:08.50 | paxcoder | abortman: ok, trying that now... |
| 13:09.01 | niagin | moshii: i'm talking about removing packages. i like to clean unused apps after uninstalling a certain app. |
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| 13:09.14 | abrotman | Ronin: conga you bastard! |
| 13:09.23 | abrotman | Ronin: when i say dance .. you best dance motherfucker |
| 13:09.33 | moshii | niagin: yes, aptitude will do that as long as automatically installed packages are mark as such |
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| 13:10.19 | paxcoder | ronin, abortman: it looks like it's gonna work now, thank you |
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| 13:10.27 | moshii | niagin: so when you install x and it pulls in liby, when you remove liby aptitude will remove liby when you remove x as long as nothing else requires liby |
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| 13:10.40 | moshii | niagin: when you remove X |
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| 13:11.05 | niagin | moshii: got it. |
| 13:11.06 | moshii | Nielsen: scratch the first when you remove bit haha |
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| 13:16.42 | darkie33 | a |
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| 13:17.03 | darkie33 | hi |
| 13:17.42 | darkie33 | why cannot i send to channel when i am in root? |
| 13:17.48 | xand | !root |
| 13:17.48 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 13:19.47 | moshii | new skype beta is annoying the shit out me.. gah |
| 13:20.19 | cast_ | non-free thus inherently sucky :P |
| 13:20.53 | moshii | cast_: nah, it jams a crappy popup on your screen for everything "contact X has farted" |
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| 13:22.36 | wols_ | cast_: sykpe is worse than typical non free. it uses a very vrey non free protocol even, ignoring the free ones |
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| 13:24.09 | cast_ | and does that fancy anti-analysis magic |
| 13:24.10 | null__ | Hello, on Debian, how can I see wich with options a package was compiled? |
| 13:25.08 | asg | null__: download the src deb, unpack it, look in the debian/rules file |
| 13:25.25 | null__ | apt-get sourc package? |
| 13:25.28 | null__ | source |
| 13:25.29 | cast_ | someone teach dpkg that |
| 13:26.02 | asg | null__: apt-get source -d <pkg> |
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| 13:26.14 | null__ | thanks |
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| 13:27.03 | liable | is -d needed? |
| 13:27.29 | liable | it usually just downloads into whatever directory you run it from anyway |
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| 13:28.01 | cast_ | it unpacks though dont it? |
| 13:28.28 | liable | yes, you get the source and the .dsc |
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| 13:29.27 | pocukrani | i need to logout from desktop when i want to remove kde and install kdeabse ? |
| 13:29.34 | pocukrani | kdebase* |
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| 13:30.36 | moshii | pocukrani: nope |
| 13:30.55 | pocukrani | ty moshii |
| 13:31.15 | moshii | pocukrani: but I wouldn't try starting an new applications.. |
| 13:31.31 | moshii | pocukrani: best to install kdebase, and then remove kde |
| 13:31.33 | cmacis | hi, I want to customise konsole so that everytime I open konsole it automatically returns a fortune. Any way of doing this? |
| 13:31.47 | pocukrani | moshii, yes |
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| 13:32.02 | moshii | cmacis: /etc/profile, your shell's rc file |
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| 13:32.13 | moshii | cmacis: there are a bunch of solutions |
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| 13:32.58 | cmacis | and just put fortune in the end of that file? |
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| 13:33.49 | j3r0m3 | [french sorry for my english] Is there's a special debian chanel for question related fo gcc ? I'm wondering why -static flag is no longer supported in gcj-4.2 unstable (it was in experimental). |
| 13:33.51 | cast_ | cmacis: man bash look at the files section.. |
| 13:34.01 | cmacis | ta |
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| 13:34.16 | liable | j3r0m3: the changelog soent mention anything? |
| 13:34.22 | liable | doesn't* |
| 13:34.39 | themill | !tell moshii about dotfiles |
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| 13:34.52 | abrotman | there's also #gcc |
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| 13:35.46 | pocukrani | moshii, what of package i need to remove when i want to remove kde ? |
| 13:36.08 | j3r0m3 | liable> nope, there's something about gcj-4.1 but was known (even upstream) to do not work |
| 13:36.27 | moshii | pocukrani: the kde package is a meta package the installs all kde, you want to switch to just the base of kde? |
| 13:36.30 | j3r0m3 | abrotman> you think they can answer debian only related question ? |
| 13:36.39 | pocukrani | moshii, yes |
| 13:36.52 | moshii | themill: I know what dotfiles are thanks |
| 13:37.32 | moshii | pocukrani: kde and kde-base (not sure on the name) are just meta packages that pull in parts of kde |
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| 13:37.42 | liable | themill: if that person fron the internet cafe comes back, his pings were good, so he would just need to edit his resolv.conf |
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| 13:38.17 | themill | liable: ok... but I'm off to look at kites ;) |
| 13:38.23 | moshii | pocukrani: if you used aptitude to install kde, removing kde but keep the base package will get koffice and all the other kluge removed |
| 13:38.46 | liable | themill: happy kite'ing :) |
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| 13:39.47 | Growly | right |
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| 13:44.53 | cmacis | /join #kde |
| 13:45.00 | cmacis | huh |
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| 13:47.23 | ryx | My onboard usb-soundcard CM6501 only outputs noise when playing anything since upgrading to lenny |
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| 13:47.59 | ryx | I already tried the old 2.6.18 kernel, didn't help |
| 13:48.02 | ryx | any further ideas? |
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| 13:48.15 | pocukrani | moshii, i want to have only applications witch are installed with kdebase |
| 13:48.27 | pif | hi, how can remove the whole of gnome package dependencies ? |
| 13:48.55 | pif | i.e: all the packages the meta-package "gnome" depends on |
| 13:49.14 | moshii | pocukrani: mark everything that the kde package depends on as automatically installed except kdebase and remove the kde package |
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| 13:50.32 | en1gma | sup everyone |
| 13:50.39 | Growly | hello |
| 13:50.40 | Growly | enigma |
| 13:50.41 | Aim_Here | pif, tried removing the meta-package, then typing 'deborphan' and removing all the cruft from your system that way? |
| 13:50.45 | en1gma | i got a question about network security...i have seen alot of people are making a box these days that contain two nics...one for wan and one that goes to a router or switch...anyhow what is more secure that setup i just mentioned or to take that box out and just leave the gateway/router/switch |
| 13:50.48 | en1gma | hi Growly |
| 13:50.53 | Growly | what's the time where you live? |
| 13:50.57 | Growly | it's 1:54 am here |
| 13:50.59 | Growly | i want to sleep |
| 13:51.03 | en1gma | 8:50am |
| 13:51.06 | Growly | bastard |
| 13:51.15 | en1gma | i was up past 3:ooam |
| 13:51.20 | en1gma | in here last night |
| 13:51.20 | Growly | double bastard |
| 13:51.22 | nuxis_ | abrotman: I fixed the driver problem myself |
| 13:51.30 | D0pamine | is there a gnome wireless assistant ? wlanassistant ? |
| 13:51.37 | nuxis_ | I removed the old drivers there was a conflict between them :) |
| 13:51.49 | nuxis_ | D0pamine: you can use network-admin |
| 13:51.58 | en1gma | what is the purpose of putting a computer in between the wan and gateway/router/switch |
| 13:52.03 | D0pamine | ahh right thanks |
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| 13:53.03 | wols_ | en1gma: usually to reason is to run snort, a proxy and other security software. something you often can't run on a router |
| 13:53.59 | en1gma | ah so its not cause it makes the lan more secure compared to a store bought router? |
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| 13:54.25 | sayers | ftp.debian.org is being iffy for me. |
| 13:54.39 | wols_ | *sigh* why did I even bother. maybe you should learn basic text understanding once more? |
| 13:55.01 | Growly | wols_ - you mean "comprehension" |
| 13:55.24 | wols_ | Growly: I'm a foruhner. I'm allowed :P |
| 13:55.39 | liable | no your not |
| 13:55.42 | Growly | i am |
| 13:55.52 | wols_ | wah! why not liable? |
| 13:55.54 | niagin | how do i get sound to work? |
| 13:55.59 | et | Did you mean "you're"? ;) |
| 13:56.00 | wols_ | !alsa |
| 13:56.01 | dpkg | from memory, alsa is http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA? or see <alsa-checklist> or <alsa install> |
| 13:56.06 | Nuxis | niagin: chech you have alsa |
| 13:56.36 | en1gma | you talking to me |
| 13:56.36 | liable | et: i never spell it properly for the express reason of pissing of you grammar nazi's :P |
| 13:56.47 | niagin | Nuxis: alsa-tools or alsa-utils? |
| 13:56.56 | Nuxis | niagin: alsa-utils |
| 13:57.02 | en1gma | ok does it make the lan less secure then a router |
| 13:57.02 | zamuro | !grammar-nazi |
| 13:57.07 | Nuxis | xD |
| 13:57.11 | zamuro | !grammar nazi |
| 13:57.18 | Nuxis | isn't grammer? |
| 13:57.22 | Growly | nope |
| 13:57.23 | Nuxis | !grammer-nazi |
| 13:57.28 | zamuro | *tsk* *tsk* bad bot... bad xD |
| 13:57.32 | en1gma | i know basically one of the cheap off the shelves store bought gateway/router security = NAT...now the linux kernel does this too |
| 13:57.40 | zamuro | !grammer nazi |
| 13:57.42 | Growly | you know, i thought #debian was about elitism and one-up-manship |
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| 13:57.49 | liable | zamuro: stop it |
| 13:57.49 | en1gma | is there any hardware in a router that makes it more secure then a linux box |
| 13:57.50 | zamuro | dpkg: kiss me |
| 13:57.53 | Growly | and petty internet bickering |
| 13:58.12 | wols_ | en1gma: yes. the lack of hardware and capabilities does it |
| 13:58.23 | liable | Growly: you can get your fair share of that here |
| 13:58.28 | zamuro | Growly: And it isn't? Damn! I'm in the wrong channel then. |
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| 13:58.52 | Growly | well i admit |
| 13:58.55 | Growly | i'm only here to argue |
| 13:59.11 | niagin | i'm getting errors on alsamixer. |
| 13:59.33 | Growly | and to ask why my testing install fails when trying to run the automatic partitioning tool on a tekram dc-390u2w --- which it seems has been supported since 2.2 |
| 13:59.42 | liable | wols_: as long as you take your high heels off, I don't mind |
| 13:59.59 | cast_ | just don't look up his skirt liable. |
| 14:00.04 | cast_ | that's sexual harassment |
| 14:00.08 | liable | ewww |
| 14:00.12 | Growly | mmm hot |
| 14:00.12 | wols_ | cast_: kilt. not skirt |
| 14:00.17 | liable | sure |
| 14:00.32 | cast_ | wols_: if that makes you feel more like man ;) |
| 14:01.07 | cast_ | in other manlyness news i've ran out of milk :\ |
| 14:01.15 | wols_ | cast_: just don't mine the lingerie. liable and you're not allowed to peek. do you hear me? |
| 14:01.19 | wols_ | *don't mind |
| 14:01.49 | wols_ | Growly: does the non automatic partition work? |
| 14:02.30 | Growly | i can't find the option |
| 14:02.33 | liable | http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Odd%2520Pics3/Images/Kilt2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Odd%2520Pics%25202/Kilts.html&h=355&w=383&sz=17&hl=en&start=42&um=1&tbnid=NNXPauqN7pj8qM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkilt%2Bballs%2B%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN |
| 14:02.36 | Growly | maybe because i didn't do the expert install |
| 14:02.38 | liable | eww |
| 14:02.44 | liable | thats a horribly long url |
| 14:02.49 | Growly | my image is a bit old, i'm trying with the new one - but the disk is horribly scratched |
| 14:02.54 | Growly | what i'd give to have cd-rs when i need them |
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| 14:03.06 | logdenum | i i'm configuring the kernel and usb_ueagleatm and other are grayed out |
| 14:06.11 | liable | logdenum: you prolly need to enable another driver, or the experimental option |
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| 14:08.18 | spheard | how do I stop cron sending emails? |
| 14:08.42 | \amethyst | spheard: MAILTO="" |
| 14:08.48 | \amethyst | at the top of the crontab |
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| 14:10.07 | logdenum | <liable> yeah but what it says it depends only on hasiomem usb e usbatm |
| 14:10.36 | spheard | \amethyst, I already got that in there |
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| 14:11.19 | Jemt | Greetings. Can someone help me fix a problem with my Locales? I'm getting the following error both when installing new software, and when trying to configure locales using 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' : http://pastebin.ca/677762 |
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| 14:13.21 | Nielsen | Jemt: du skal bare sætte variablerne så virker det igen |
| 14:13.34 | Jemt | Nielsen: How do I do that ? |
| 14:13.39 | Growly | wierd |
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| 14:13.46 | Growly | the cd image from two weeks prior works fine |
| 14:13.51 | Jemt | Nielsen: (I'm pretty sure we have to speak english in here ;) |
| 14:13.53 | Growly | goodnigh5 |
| 14:13.57 | Growly | *goodnight |
| 14:14.14 | Jemt | Nielsen: I find it quite odd the variables havn't been set automatically though.. |
| 14:14.28 | arron | following the dir layout, where would the proper place to copy over sancho (X p2p gui) and the NWN game? |
| 14:14.30 | Nielsen | Jemt: LANGUAGE=da_DK LC_ALL=da_DK LANG=da_DK dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:14.39 | Jemt | Nielsen: And they seem to be set - the error suggests that I'm missing locales |
| 14:14.43 | Jemt | Nielsen: Oh |
| 14:15.03 | Jemt | Nielsen: Thanks, I'll give it a try :) |
| 14:15.05 | Nielsen | toss it in one line and hit enter ;) |
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| 14:15.17 | Jemt | Nielsen: I'll do that - thanks, mate :) |
| 14:15.30 | Nielsen | så lidt ;) |
| 14:15.35 | Jemt | ;) |
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| 14:18.07 | compDo | How can I sort an output by its numerical values? When I do "sort -g", still a string sorting is done, i.e. the values 95, 955, 97 remain in this order |
| 14:18.33 | evilgeek | -n |
| 14:18.38 | pif | man sort |
| 14:18.54 | evilgeek | no, 'man sort' doesn't sort numerically. |
| 14:19.06 | Nielsen | hehe |
| 14:19.08 | compDo | evilgeek, that's my problem. Any other ideas |
| 14:19.23 | null__ | Hello, I have a problem, if the user contains user.name the imap validation does not work, any idea how to fix it? |
| 14:19.32 | evilgeek | compDo: are you blind? |
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| 14:19.59 | pif | evilgeek : give the man the answer and he will eat for a day, etc. |
| 14:20.22 | pif | don't gives answers, provide means to find one |
| 14:20.27 | evilgeek | pif: make him read the manpage and he'll waste his time before being able to eat for a day. |
| 14:20.44 | evilgeek | then why don't we just answer any question with "http://www.google.com/"? |
| 14:20.50 | pif | meanwhile he's wasting ours |
| 14:21.01 | evilgeek | no, you're wasting everyone's time. |
| 14:21.11 | evilgeek | 'man sort' is a useless answer. |
| 14:21.19 | pif | why so? |
| 14:21.29 | compDo | you are sad guys |
| 14:21.29 | evilgeek | everyone knows about man pages. saying 'man sort' after someone can't find it in the man page is useless and frustrating. |
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| 14:21.41 | liable | hah |
| 14:21.44 | evilgeek | hahaha. |
| 14:21.53 | sayers | What does HDA Lost Interrupt mean? |
| 14:22.03 | liable | buggy driver |
| 14:22.11 | sayers | Hard Drive liable ? |
| 14:22.16 | sayers | that could be. |
| 14:22.36 | pif | evilgeek : I don't recall him stating he had read the man page |
| 14:22.40 | liable | sayers: not neccessarily, give us the whole lot |
| 14:22.41 | evilgeek | pif: so? |
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| 14:23.04 | pif | so you are doing him a diservice |
| 14:23.06 | evilgeek | pif: it's reasonable to assume he had. |
| 14:23.15 | evilgeek | by telling him the answer to the question he wants? |
| 14:23.29 | evilgeek | no, i'm not doing him a disservice by not being an asshole. |
| 14:24.00 | sayers | liable, Its an old laptop and the hard drive probably is more than likely the problem |
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| 14:24.27 | evilgeek | (in any case, the man page for sort is rather vague on this point. -n is "sort by string numerical value" --- what the hell does that mean? |
| 14:24.30 | evilgeek | ) |
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| 14:24.50 | alfatau | hello, how to set US_english_UTF8 as default system language & locale? |
| 14:24.51 | evilgeek | so your answer, apart from being useless and frustrating, was wrong. |
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| 14:25.13 | abrotman | alfatau: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:25.25 | pif | IIRC he didn't understant _your_ answer |
| 14:25.28 | abrotman | evilgeek: you hvae to look at the gcc site |
| 14:25.31 | \amethyst | alfatau: and it's called en_US.UTF-8 |
| 14:25.32 | abrotman | erm .. gnu site |
| 14:26.04 | evilgeek | abrotman: haha. |
| 14:26.14 | abrotman | evilgeek: i had the same issue a few months ago .. i think i ended up writing normal code and not relying on sort because it couldn't do it correctly |
| 14:26.17 | evilgeek | pif: no, he was just too blind to read the answer. |
| 14:26.41 | evilgeek | abrotman: nothing in UNIX works if your locale is not set to C. |
| 14:26.54 | abrotman | evilgeek: this had *nothing* to do with the locale |
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| 14:27.03 | pif | evilgeek : cause he didn't have any effort to do, and your answer was out of the context of the man page |
| 14:27.04 | abrotman | this was all about how sort didn't work the way i expected it to |
| 14:27.16 | evilgeek | pif: ? |
| 14:27.46 | pif | referring to the man page is always a better alternative, else patch the man page |
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| 14:27.52 | alfatau | abrotman: ok, i tried it many times, selecting it and also rebooting my server, but locale and language don't change! can you help me? |
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| 14:28.05 | evilgeek | pif: referring to google is even better. |
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| 14:28.12 | abrotman | alfatau: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. pick that as one of your options .. then use it as the default |
| 14:28.52 | evilgeek | abrotman: what did sort do that you didn't expect? |
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| 14:29.04 | abrotman | evilgeek: not sort it :) |
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| 14:29.19 | alfatau | abrotman: i tried doing this procedure many times, but seems not working: locale and lang rest french one |
| 14:29.21 | abrotman | i don't remember the context .. but they were numbers .. and it totally messed them up |
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| 14:29.45 | abrotman | alfatau: cat /etc/locale.gen |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | alfatau: and then cat /etc/default/locale |
| 14:31.15 | alfatau | cat /etc/default/locale => LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 14:32.07 | abrotman | so what makes you think it is not working ? |
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| 14:33.24 | alfatau | man pages in french, apt-get language in french, typing "locale" all is set to french, and so on... |
| 14:33.51 | abrotman | echo $LANG |
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| 14:35.04 | alfatau | abrotman: echo $LANG => fr_FR |
| 14:35.16 | abrotman | something else is setting that |
| 14:35.26 | abrotman | create a new user .. see if it's french or english |
| 14:35.31 | triptec | anyone who knows how to change the drives thunar shows in the "shortcuts"??? |
| 14:35.40 | \amethyst | alfatau: do you have an /etc/environment ? |
| 14:35.52 | abrotman | oh duh |
| 14:35.55 | alfatau | abrotman: ok, i'm trying |
| 14:36.20 | SpeedyG | hm, what would a windows user miss when he's switching to linux as primary desktop os ? |
| 14:36.36 | Nielsen | the blue screens |
| 14:36.49 | liable | heh |
| 14:36.51 | SpeedyG | well, besides the usual windows ranting I mena :p |
| 14:36.55 | SpeedyG | *mean |
| 14:36.57 | liable | games |
| 14:37.01 | triptec | things that work out of the box?? |
| 14:37.02 | Nielsen | games |
| 14:37.07 | Aim_Here | more games |
| 14:37.11 | SpeedyG | and if he's not a gamer? :) |
| 14:37.14 | Nielsen | and windows games |
| 14:37.18 | liable | not much :) |
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| 14:37.26 | triptec | drivers for wlan |
| 14:37.35 | triptec | the list is long |
| 14:37.36 | alfatau | abrotman: creating a new user LANG has been set correctly to en_US. |
| 14:37.38 | SpeedyG | I mean, i'm trying to fix this laptop as good as possible, so the user wouldnt notice anything |
| 14:37.46 | Aim_Here | He might not like it that gimp or OO.o don't work quite exactly the way he's used to with the M$ alternatives |
| 14:37.49 | abrotman | SpeedyG: dreamweaver? games? |
| 14:37.50 | SpeedyG | (well, he does know, but shouldnt notice the switch) |
| 14:38.02 | alfatau | abrotman: do you know how to reset locale to en_US to other users?? |
| 14:38.07 | \amethyst | alfatau: do you have something setting LANG in your .bashrc, .profile, or .bash_profile? |
| 14:38.10 | Nielsen | SpeedyG: test with a kubuntu live cd first, if all works, so will a debian install |
| 14:38.30 | abrotman | Nielsen: i think he already has it installed |
| 14:38.34 | SpeedyG | Nielsen: debian is allready running on it :) |
| 14:38.35 | \amethyst | alfatau: also, did you log out and back in after reconfiguring the locales? |
| 14:38.41 | Nielsen | oh |
| 14:38.43 | Nielsen | silly me |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | \amethyst: said he rebooted |
| 14:38.49 | SpeedyG | i'm just trying to configure it as close to windows as possible ;) |
| 14:39.09 | SpeedyG | (even the Xfce menu button has been provided a nice 'Start' tag :P) |
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| 14:40.00 | cast_ | whats this testing shit. install debian, and replace whatever shit[hard]ware that doesn't work |
| 14:40.14 | cast_ | and teach grammar me. |
| 14:40.28 | alfatau | \amethyst, abrotman: ok, i found: there was a LANG=fr_FR into .bashrc users' files. thank you very much. |
| 14:40.31 | Nielsen | cast_: apt-get install aspell-grammar :P |
| 14:43.20 | bkw_ | does "echo RUN12 > /dev/ttyS0" send RUN12 as ASCII to the first serial port? |
| 14:43.50 | funky | bkw_: use minicom |
| 14:44.35 | bkw_ | funky: can I do that without having it flooding the serialport with commands when starting? |
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| 14:45.20 | \amethyst | bkw_: minicom -o |
| 14:45.42 | funky | bkw_: you need having preconfigured the serial port before starting to talk with it |
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| 14:45.59 | funky | maybe your echo would work after using setserial properly |
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| 14:46.55 | funky | what's the device that you have plugged to that serial port? |
| 14:47.07 | a38 | I logged into a debian server, df -h showed '/dev/vzfs 9.6G 443M 9.2G 5% /', anyone can tell me what is /dev/vsfz?? |
| 14:47.15 | \amethyst | you also need stty to set stop/parity/etc |
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| 14:47.34 | funky | stty -a < /dev/ttySX to see your current config |
| 14:47.51 | cast | a38: first thing that came to mind was something related to fuse-zfs |
| 14:47.52 | asg | a38: I think that's a virtuozzo firtual filesystem layer (virtuozzo.com, the commercial version of OpenVZ) |
| 14:48.14 | a38 | asg, aha.... this is something new to me.. thanks |
| 14:48.23 | asg | a38: if 'sudo cat /proc/user_beancounters' returns a valid result, it most likely is. |
| 14:48.34 | a38 | okie I'll check the site |
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| 14:53.02 | pstickne | what package do I need to install to get the man-pages for stdlib functions and such? (eg: getenv) |
| 14:53.23 | asg | pstickne: manpages-dev |
| 14:53.25 | cast | could use apt-file to search for em |
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| 14:53.42 | sayers | How do I tell XDM To boot from whatever? |
| 14:53.52 | a38 | asg, just a stupid question, do I install/update and admin this system as normal ... ? |
| 14:53.58 | pstickne | thanks asg and cast |
| 14:54.23 | sayers | a38, You could but you shouldn't. |
| 14:54.44 | a38 | sayers, care to explain ? |
| 14:55.06 | sayers | a38, because you have your account and they have their account and the System admin has his account |
| 14:55.11 | x_link | 32-bits OS can only use 3GB RAM, right? |
| 14:55.22 | Kevin` | incorrect |
| 14:55.30 | Scurz_ | hello |
| 14:55.31 | x_link | If you want to use 4GB then you must have a 64-bits OS? |
| 14:55.35 | x_link | Kevin`: Really? |
| 14:55.37 | asg | a38: yes, though there are some limitations in what you can do to the hardware. |
| 14:55.38 | Kevin` | really |
| 14:55.40 | x_link | That's what I heard. |
| 14:55.43 | x_link | Kevin`: Okej. |
| 14:55.47 | Kevin` | heard where |
| 14:55.58 | cast | theres PAE |
| 14:55.59 | Arafangion | x_link: 32-bit processors handle 4GB of RAM. |
| 14:56.00 | x_link | Kevin`: So I can use more than 4GB RAM on my Debian machine |
| 14:56.10 | x_link | Arafangion: Okej, I thought it only was 3GB. |
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| 14:56.29 | Arafangion | x_link: It's more complicated than that. |
| 14:56.32 | bkw_ | \amethyst: Do you remember how to get the option menu? I can't remember the key combination |
| 14:56.35 | Kevin` | x_link you probably need to change an option in the kernel, but yes |
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| 14:56.42 | Kevin` | x_link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 14:56.44 | x_link | Arafangion: I didn't say processors, I mean OS. |
| 14:56.45 | a38 | sayers, asg, ok thanks |
| 14:57.15 | Arafangion | x_link: Depending on the hardware and operating system, the amount reserved for applications, the kernel, and the like, vary. |
| 14:57.28 | x_link | Arafangion: Okej. |
| 14:57.37 | Arafangion | x_link: So, the address space may be split 2GB/2GB, or 3GB/1GB. |
| 14:57.39 | x_link | Arafangion/Kevin: Thanks for explaining this for me, I didn't know that. |
| 14:57.41 | Kevin` | Arafangion this is linux here =p |
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| 14:58.04 | Kevin` | x_link you won't be able to use 4gb PER APPLICATION but the system can use a lot more |
| 14:58.27 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Linux isn't entirely special here. |
| 14:58.45 | x_link | Kevin`: Okej. |
| 14:58.46 | bkw_ | http://math.hws.edu/orr/s05/cpsc226/minicom.html |
| 14:58.56 | sayers | a38, Lets say you admined a system with 3 people, and one root. Then if those people found eachothers passwords out they still cant break the system or modify the core. |
| 14:58.59 | Kevin` | Arafangion but you can elimante any abiguity about the os |
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| 14:59.12 | a38 | sayers, aha |
| 14:59.23 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I wanted to suggest that it was a /hardware/ issue more than a software issue. |
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| 14:59.43 | sayers | although if your the only one on your computer just set it to have the same password, Su'ing in isnt that hard |
| 14:59.44 | Kevin` | it's too bad windows still has limits like that, or we'd see consumer motherboards that can support more |
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| 15:00.28 | wols_ | Kevin`: we already have conusmer mobos supporting more than 4GB easily |
| 15:00.32 | a38 | sayers, to be honest with you, I know jack about this Virtuozzo thing, but I found myself forced to for a friend :( |
| 15:00.40 | SpeedyG | sayers: wouldnt it be more easy to just allow sudo to be used without a password then ? |
| 15:00.41 | Arafangion | Kevin`: On a 32-bit system, the entire system can't use more than 4GB. |
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| 15:00.50 | Kevin` | Arafangion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 15:01.02 | Kevin` | that's been around for years, and linux supports it |
| 15:01.09 | sayers | SpeedyG, Well not if you bring your computer somewhere and dont lock it. |
| 15:01.28 | SpeedyG | sayers: good point, tho thats a stupid thing imo anyway ;) |
| 15:01.42 | sayers | I bring my laptop to LUG's? |
| 15:01.44 | cast | debian kernels are compiled in with PAE, much to my annoyance when trying to run things in xen :\ |
| 15:01.50 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Interesting. :) |
| 15:01.56 | Arafangion | cast: Why was it annoying? |
| 15:02.08 | SpeedyG | sayers: I bring my laptop anywhere I want, but when i'm afk.. i'll lock it |
| 15:02.17 | cast | in xen there is a limitation that all dom's and xen must either have pae turned on or off, you can't mix it |
| 15:02.23 | SpeedyG | even if its for a few seconds/minutes |
| 15:02.34 | sayers | you might forget? |
| 15:02.40 | SpeedyG | not likely |
| 15:02.43 | SpeedyG | made it a habit |
| 15:02.50 | sayers | its a habbit on my desktop[ |
| 15:02.54 | Kevin` | cast does windows have it on or off |
| 15:02.54 | sayers | that no one ever touches |
| 15:03.04 | Arafangion | Kevin`: If my server has it, I might just add it, then run VMware in it :) |
| 15:03.10 | SpeedyG | haha, i've got that the other way around ;) |
| 15:03.21 | SpeedyG | leave the desktop unlocked, but never leave the laptop unlocked :) |
| 15:03.50 | cast | so in order to run a non-pae kernel/os [netbsd, iirc is non-pae - not even sure if they have the support to turn it on if you wanted] you have to recompile xen and dom0 kernel. dunno @ windows, i did ask #windows that once but i can't remember.. |
| 15:04.20 | xingu | deja vu all over again - there was an equivalently ignorant din back when 386+ protected mode was a new thing; and the non-Intel world was laughing then, too. |
| 15:04.43 | Arafangion | xingu: It's not deja-vu. |
| 15:04.46 | Nielsen | i think they do that alot |
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| 15:05.19 | Arafangion | xingu: 32-bit systems pass 32-bit pointers, obviously, PAE works around that by, at a small cost in efficiency, allowing pointers to also be done in two words, not just one. |
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| 15:06.37 | SpeedyG | hm.. it scares me that i'm actually able to follow this conversation and kinda understand whats being said :o |
| 15:06.41 | cast | 'Worst abuse of the rules. In several years, an entry was submitted that was so patently absurd that it required a new definition of some of the rules for the next year. This, of course, is a high honor. An example would be the world's shortest self-reproducing program. The entry was a program zero bytes in length that if run printed zero bytes to the screen (this requires some creative use of the makefile to get it right).' ahaha |
| 15:07.04 | harpal | I have allowded 47 and 1723 than it makes connection but I cant ping or send that |
| 15:07.19 | Kevin` | cast I love that contest |
| 15:07.33 | harpal | what rules I apply to work with pptp in iptables |
| 15:07.40 | harpal | I have allowded 47 and 1723 than it makes connection but I cant ping or send that |
| 15:07.44 | xingu | Arafangion: thanks for the explanation, but I'm pretty tight with how it all hangs together; what definitively is a loop, is the babble of the unwitting when faced with the "new" |
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| 15:08.26 | Arafangion | xingu: To their credit, there's just so damn much hype out there. |
| 15:08.40 | Arafangion | xingu: For example, is it /really/ to your benefit to use Vista? |
| 15:08.45 | Kevin` | wtf harpal |
| 15:08.48 | sayers | how do I tell xdm to load xfce4? |
| 15:08.56 | Kevin` | I was about to answer his question |
| 15:08.57 | Kevin` | oh well. |
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| 15:09.33 | Arafangion | Kevin`: He waited an entire minute for the answer! You should be greatful that he was so patient! |
| 15:09.56 | Kevin` | if he comes back tell him something cryptic about pptp not using tcp for data. should point him on the right track |
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| 15:10.43 | xingu | people still use pptp? |
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| 15:11.21 | Kevin` | if I were to set up a vpn today for "normal people" to use it would be pptp |
| 15:11.46 | Kevin` | yes, it sucks compared with something like openvpn or ipsec, but.. windows |
| 15:11.54 | xingu | you might want to do some performance analysis of it under 1-2% packet loss conditions. |
| 15:12.26 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I'm buggered if I ever figure out how to use pptp to do that - my uni needs it to connect, but I can never quite figure it out. :( |
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| 15:12.58 | Kevin` | hmm? |
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| 15:14.14 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Classic problem of being too configurable ;) |
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| 15:14.59 | Kevin` | there's some gui clients for that |
| 15:15.11 | Kevin` | forget what they are called. suse has one |
| 15:15.15 | Arafangion | Kevin`: None that worked on Ubuntu, last I checked. :( |
| 15:15.19 | bkw_ | hm, how do I tell minicom to do automatic CR |
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| 15:16.13 | Arafangion | Kevin`: In any case, I'm over it - once I finish uni, I'M OUTA THERE! :) |
| 15:16.29 | Arafangion | Kevin`: On that day I will also delete windows. :) |
| 15:16.43 | Kevin` | fun |
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| 15:16.48 | Kevin` | delete it from withing windows |
| 15:16.52 | Kevin` | within |
| 15:17.24 | Arafangion | That is actually more difficult to do than the equivalent in linux. |
| 15:17.36 | Kevin` | so? still possible |
| 15:17.59 | Arafangion | Kevin`: You'd more likely just corrupt it. |
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| 15:18.32 | Arafangion | Kevin`: My damn DirectX-based uni project done in Visual Studio is literally the only thing keeping me on windows :( |
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| 15:28.49 | kpearce | So it appears that last night my x server crashed, and didn't release devices (mouse, keyboard, display). My computer is running fine, and I can ssh into it, but I can't get a terminal. I've got a frozen screen with my screensaver on it. Is there anything, short of rebooting, I can do to get back to a terminal? |
| 15:29.15 | Kevin` | kpearce alt+printscreen+r if you have sysrq enabled |
| 15:29.17 | ricardo__ | liable can i be a bit of a pain and ask for some more help gtting this card working. I established that it iusnt the card that is the problem as i can connect to the internt using xp. I also have a ping test reults. |
| 15:29.18 | Kevin` | then alt+f1 |
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| 15:30.00 | kpearce | kevin that didn't do anything |
| 15:30.19 | kpearce | err, it did something the second time, but it didn't get me a terminal |
| 15:30.29 | kpearce | the image on the screen shifted to the right... strange... |
| 15:30.52 | kpearce | yeah, the image keeps moving around when I do that, but nothing else happens |
| 15:31.05 | Kevin` | switching terminals does nothing? |
| 15:31.25 | kpearce | nope |
| 15:31.38 | Kevin` | try doing something that will switch the video mode, like starting an x server |
| 15:31.43 | kpearce | alt+Fx or ctrl+alt+Fx has no effect |
| 15:32.03 | kpearce | I've tried to start an x server from an ssh session but I get a permission denied message |
| 15:32.09 | Kevin` | do it as root then |
| 15:32.37 | kpearce | o, there it goes. I should've thought of that... I thought it wouldn't let me because I was in an ssh session. Thanks. |
| 15:32.49 | Kevin` | it won't, but it will as root |
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| 15:33.31 | kpearce | I still can't get to a terminal, though |
| 15:33.44 | kpearce | ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't work |
| 15:33.55 | kpearce | and if I exit X, I just get a frozen screen again |
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| 15:34.53 | Kevin` | dunno how to reset that. someone here might know |
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| 15:35.19 | kpearce | if I HUP my getty processes, will that do anything, do you think? |
| 15:35.44 | Kevin` | might restart getty |
| 15:35.50 | Kevin` | doubt it will fix the video |
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| 15:36.52 | kpearce | hmm... I just thought since that was what was supposed to show up on the vts that it might have some effect, but I don't really understand how the whole video system works |
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| 15:37.33 | mx-zoom | 1 question. when updating, does apt follow the sources.list order for the various mirrors? |
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| 15:38.12 | svref | I'm screwing with my alsa soundcard. apt (the bot) has some spiel on how to configure it, but I can't remember the name. |
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| 15:38.24 | spx2 | errr |
| 15:38.24 | spx2 | hi |
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| 15:38.46 | xingu | kpearce: what about if you use vbetool to repost your video card? |
| 15:39.12 | svref | apt: alsa |
| 15:39.13 | apt | [alsa] the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, or at http://www.alsa-project.org/, or available only for Linux (if you intend your code to be portable, ask me about OSS) |
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| 15:39.26 | svref | apt: alsa config |
| 15:39.34 | kpearce | xingu: I don't know what that is |
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| 15:40.23 | ricardo__ | I need some more help getting my laptop connected to the internet through an internet cafes netwrok. Can someone help ? |
| 15:41.05 | cast | try dhcp? |
| 15:41.22 | cast | if not copy the settings off one of their computers or ask em |
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| 15:42.33 | ricardo__ | cast I have the addresses which work when i use xp from the laptop and ive replicated those in etch but I cant get to th net |
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| 15:43.27 | cast | does route list the right gateway as the default? |
| 15:43.37 | ricardo__ | I dont know enugh about networks to figure this out on my own . Liable was walking me through this but we kept hitting problems |
| 15:43.44 | dobby | when i try to make a new initrd with mkinitrd i got the error No '/' mountpoint specified in /etc/fstab but in fstab i have : LABEL=usbroot / ext3 whats wrong with that? |
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| 15:44.42 | kpearce | xingu: running vbetool vgastate twice had no effect |
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| 15:45.28 | tipote | I'm considering installing debian on my laptop, but I'll need a recent madwifi to use my network. How can I achieve that ? |
| 15:45.29 | xingu | kpearce: how about post-ing it. |
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| 15:46.24 | kpearce | xingu: ah, thanks. VTs 3 through 6 now work |
| 15:46.34 | kpearce | 1 and 2 show gray screens |
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| 15:47.20 | kpearce | their getty processes appear to be dead (that is, ps aux shows no getty processes for tty0 or tty1 |
| 15:47.22 | kpearce | ) |
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| 15:53.06 | SerajewelKS | why would ssh connections to a box on the same switch get established then take about 15 seconds to authenticate? |
| 15:53.17 | SerajewelKS | i turned off gss or whatever it is on both boxes |
| 15:53.40 | armanforum | hi, i use debian etch 2.6.18.5-686, no firewall i think, i want to use amule but i cannot connect i forwarded ports from my modem router what can i do |
| 15:53.59 | cast | i had that problem [more like 6 seconds though], but somehow it stopped and now its really fast [300ms] now |
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| 15:54.18 | cast | 160ms now :) |
| 15:54.36 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
| 15:54.45 | SerajewelKS | the connection is listed ESTABLISHED in netstat |
| 15:54.56 | cast | ssh -v and see where its lagging |
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| 15:55.47 | SerajewelKS | cast: between these two lines is ~10sec delay: "debug1: Offering public key: /home/chris/.ssh/id_rsa" "debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 277" |
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| 15:57.37 | SerajewelKS | cast: an identical box (also running etch, same cpu and ram, etc) responds faster, and it's being accessed over an IPv6 tunnel |
| 15:58.13 | wols_ | armanforum: ask your router manufacturer how to forward ports. not us |
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| 15:58.31 | cast | dunno bro, don't know enough about the ssh handshake |
| 15:58.54 | SerajewelKS | cast: and there is <1% load on the box so it's not like it's starving for cycles |
| 15:59.09 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
| 15:59.14 | armanforum | wols_, i've forwarded my ports it's not s.thing about that |
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| 15:59.36 | cast | SerajewelKS: just out of curiousity...is the random pool empty? |
| 16:00.21 | cast | /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail would be the place |
| 16:00.39 | SerajewelKS | cast: 1656 |
| 16:01.03 | cast | guess its not running out of entropy for the session key then |
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| 16:01.53 | SerajewelKS | cast: wouldn't surprise me though, this box is a router so it doesn't do much disk i/o |
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| 16:04.03 | haggz | SerajewelKS: I've noticed unpredictable latency in SSH authentication which I thought was deliberate to prevent the response time to auth requests from divulging any information about machine hardware or network configuration that could leak out through response time signatures |
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| 16:04.10 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:04.12 | infinity0 | anyone seen this? http://www.noooxml.org/petition it's linked to on the gnu website... wondering what people think of it |
| 16:04.12 | Ace2016 | anyone here know a font manager which will preview a piece of sample text in every font on the system??? |
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| 16:05.17 | SerajewelKS | haggz: but this is predictable |
| 16:05.32 | spheard | my cron is still mailing me even tho I have MAILTO="" at the top of my crontab. |
| 16:05.34 | SerajewelKS | haggz: it's always connections to this one box that take so long. everywhere else is fine. |
| 16:06.50 | haggz | SerajewelKS: have you DIFFed your ssh configs between boxes? Any other delta like how the packets are handled locally, like different firewall rules or anything? |
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| 16:07.20 | SerajewelKS | haggz: eh, the box is a router, but eth1 isn't filtered at all. let me diff the configs. |
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| 16:07.47 | spx2 | where does Xfce remember what it's autostart stuff ? |
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| 16:08.08 | SerajewelKS | haggz: eth0 is the WAN side, eth1 is the LAN (the side i'm on) |
| 16:09.24 | SerajewelKS | haggz: sshing back from the server to my desktop is a lot faster fwiw |
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| 16:09.40 | spheard | !linpack |
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| 16:10.10 | abrotman | spheard: msg the bot please |
| 16:10.15 | spx2 | where does Xfce remember what it's autostart stuff ? |
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| 16:10.30 | garryFre | infinity0 I just signed it, saying no to Migraineslop Aweful (Office) |
| 16:10.37 | abrotman | spx2: ask #xfce |
| 16:11.20 | SerajewelKS | haggz: aside from some comments and other insiginifant directives the sshd_configs don't differ, and the ssh_configs differ only on commented lines |
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| 16:11.44 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: rdns |
| 16:11.45 | haggz | SerajewelKS: is the router you are sshing to running on a very lower power processor? could it actually be that handling the mathematics of the encryption is the limiting factor? |
| 16:11.46 | petemc | SerajewelKS: you've used the verbose options of the ssh client and the debug options of the sshd ? |
| 16:11.59 | infinity0 | garryFre: ^_^ tell anyone else you think might be interested to sign it as well |
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| 16:12.11 | sayers | im not sure why X wont start. |
| 16:12.19 | abrotman | look in the X log |
| 16:12.47 | garryFre | infinity0 k |
| 16:12.53 | SerajewelKS | haggz: like i said earlier, i have an identical box (both running etch, same cpu and ram) that i have access to over an IPv6 tunnel that responds faster |
| 16:12.59 | sayers | not sure if that will help and not sure where that is |
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| 16:13.05 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i thought so but i already switched that off |
| 16:13.13 | SerajewelKS | petemc: of the client, yes |
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| 16:13.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i had an etch box jsut start doing it .. and then it just went away |
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| 16:14.14 | sayers | abrotman, where is the X log? |
| 16:14.23 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 16:14.28 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i posted some of the client log in the scrollback |
| 16:14.50 | SerajewelKS | [repeat] cast: between these two lines is ~10sec delay: "debug1: Offering public key: /home/chris/.ssh/id_rsa" "debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-rsa blen 277" |
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| 16:15.30 | SerajewelKS | heh my entropy on the server is now 219 |
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| 16:15.36 | SerajewelKS | all these connections are draining it |
| 16:16.07 | SerajewelKS | a `find /` brought some back |
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| 16:17.18 | war | My OpenOFffice in debian testing looks like TRASH, how to fix? http://209.160.39.248/~war/ss.jpg |
| 16:17.23 | war | anyone know how to fix this font problem? |
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| 16:17.37 | war | all other programs look fine |
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| 16:18.59 | war | any recommendations? |
| 16:19.11 | abrotman | those are gtk fonts i think |
| 16:19.32 | war | I used gnome-control-center, it would not fix the anti-aliasing issue |
| 16:19.36 | war | only the font size I believe |
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| 16:20.06 | abrotman | gnome-font-properties ? |
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| 16:20.22 | abrotman | gtkfontsel ? |
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| 16:20.28 | war | checking |
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| 16:20.41 | war | yeah those look good |
| 16:20.45 | war | but AA isn't being used |
| 16:20.48 | war | for OO only |
| 16:20.50 | war | firefox, etc, work fine |
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| 16:21.34 | abrotman | war: ask #debian-oo on irc.oftc.net |
| 16:21.47 | war | k |
| 16:22.09 | abrotman | sorry .. fonts are a great mystery to me .. i don't mess with them .. just use the ones i get :) |
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| 16:22.38 | abrotman | !anti-aliasing |
| 16:22.38 | dpkg | methinks anti-aliasing is http://www.sawtoothdistortion.com/Articles/Anti-AliasedText.html, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/fix.html |
| 16:22.48 | haggz | SerajewelKS: Can you plug a keyboard into your router box and setup a "ssh localhost" session with the same authentication method and see if the box stalls locally while doing the key validation? |
| 16:23.09 | sayers | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.16 | abrotman | !drxx sayers |
| 16:23.16 | dpkg | sayers: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 16:23.32 | aerith_ | Hi. I'm missing /etc/init.d/proftpd. Reinstalling of proftpd didn't fix that, any suggestions? |
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| 16:24.20 | abrotman | !confmiss |
| 16:24.20 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 16:24.30 | aerith_ | thx |
| 16:25.04 | sayers | abrotman, it says /dev/mem file not found etc etc |
| 16:25.38 | abrotman | what ? |
| 16:25.42 | abrotman | what's the actual error ? |
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| 16:26.20 | sayers | whiptail error while loading shared libraries lsig_forbit_signal cannot open shared object no such file or directory abrotman |
| 16:26.58 | abrotman | how did you install X ? |
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| 16:27.33 | sayers | abrotman, aptitude install xorg |
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| 16:27.43 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 16:28.26 | sayers | abrotman, etch Im 90% sure. |
| 16:28.47 | SerajewelKS | haggz: actually right now i'm heading out but i'll try later |
| 16:28.57 | aerith_ | Didn't fixed that either. :/ |
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| 16:30.36 | sayers | abrotman, xorg works every few boots. |
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| 16:32.48 | Ind[y] | In wireless networking, I have Roaming Mode enabled, and it normally tries to connect to my home network first. But sometime I tried to connect to another netwrork, and since then, it always attempts to connect to that network first, automatically. How can I set back my network to be the default/first network to attempt to connect to? |
| 16:33.05 | aerith_ | abrotman any other hints? |
| 16:33.17 | abrotman | aerith_: that shold do it |
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| 16:34.21 | abrotman | sayers: and you get the same error every time ? |
| 16:34.47 | sayers | abrotman, seems to be |
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| 16:35.08 | sayers | like kdm might not work but i can load xdm |
| 16:35.18 | sayers | but xdm wont let me pick what session I want? |
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| 16:36.19 | aerith_ | http://paste.debian.net/35967 what it returns |
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| 16:38.04 | abrotman | aerith_: touch /etc/init.d/proftpd .. then try again |
| 16:38.16 | sayers | abrotman, it seems to load XDM GDM and KDM |
| 16:38.20 | abrotman | so it works |
| 16:38.40 | aerith_ | Ah, nice. Thanks |
| 16:38.47 | abrotman | ? |
| 16:38.49 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 16:40.06 | sayers | abrotman, should I just remove xdm and gdm |
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| 16:40.51 | abrotman | if you're not using them |
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| 16:44.28 | jazzanova | cool, thanks |
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| 16:54.29 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 16:54.29 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
| 16:54.40 | CyberMad | how to create smtp server, so i want employee in office can send e-mail faster than send email to my ISP SMTP Server, yes i know.. e-mail will get queue on my SMTP Server, but employee will get faster connection to send e-mail |
| 16:55.21 | pstickne | I would read up on postfix |
| 16:55.25 | petemc | CyberMad: the mta that comes with debian, exim4, has an option to act as a smarthost, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:55.42 | abrotman | i think the debconf stuff for postfix does now too |
| 16:55.55 | dalias | postfix is probably better than exim |
| 16:55.56 | petemc | yz |
| 16:56.02 | petemc | dalias: whhys that then? |
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| 16:56.11 | sly007 | I have two directory which holds exactly the same file. When I look at the total size of the two dirs, they differ by 8 bytes. How is this possible!!!??? (here is the output of the ls -lA command: http://rafb.net/p/KHtcwZ94.html) |
| 16:56.11 | dalias | but i have more experience with exim (like zero experience with postfix :P) |
| 16:56.23 | _evo_ | exim is ok |
| 16:56.28 | dalias | petemc, it has a better permissions model that's less risky of vulns, for one big reason |
| 16:56.29 | pstickne | (I have good experiences with postfix; why I suggest it--and no experience with exim :) |
| 16:56.42 | petemc | dalias: exim has a good track record, so thats moot |
| 16:56.49 | dalias | mostly-good |
| 16:57.05 | dalias | it does have one priv-elev vuln in its record, but it's configuration-dependent |
| 16:57.16 | dalias | still i prefer proper privilege model to "track record" |
| 16:57.25 | petemc | feh |
| 16:57.33 | pstickne | sendmail anyone? ;)) |
| 16:57.37 | dalias | lmao |
| 16:57.40 | sly007 | I have two directory which holds exactly the same files (same size in both directory). However when I look at the total size of the two dirs, th total differ by 8 bytes. How is this possible!!!??? (here is the output of the ls -lA command: http://rafb.net/p/KHtcwZ94.html) |
| 16:57.43 | abrotman | !start an mta war |
| 16:57.43 | dpkg | exim has shitty documentation |
| 16:57.43 | dalias | sendmail should go to /dev/null |
| 16:57.49 | dalias | abrotman, haha |
| 16:57.58 | dalias | dpkg's response was great |
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| 16:58.11 | dalias | especially since the docs are the best thing about exim |
| 16:58.39 | CyberMad | so which one better? postfix or exim4 is enough? |
| 16:58.46 | abrotman | sly007: ls -al |
| 16:58.47 | petemc | CyberMad: they're both good |
| 16:59.11 | CyberMad | petemc ok, thanks :) |
| 16:59.12 | abrotman | CyberMad: depends on the admin and the needs |
| 16:59.12 | dalias | your choice |
| 16:59.52 | war | postfix postfix! |
| 16:59.57 | war | although I never really used exim |
| 17:00.01 | war | only qmail |
| 17:00.06 | abrotman | ick |
| 17:00.17 | phrozen77 | -_- |
| 17:00.30 | abrotman | sly007: ? |
| 17:00.38 | dalias | qmail is icky |
| 17:00.52 | dalias | and it has major bugs where it violates the protocol |
| 17:01.02 | petemc | its completely outdated |
| 17:01.04 | dalias | like the 8bitmime issue |
| 17:01.07 | abrotman | dalias: those aren't bugs |
| 17:01.07 | war | I agree |
| 17:01.11 | war | postfix si the best imo |
| 17:01.14 | war | but thats just me |
| 17:01.23 | dalias | abrotman, dropping email isn't a bug? |
| 17:01.35 | abrotman | dalias: not according to DJB |
| 17:01.39 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 17:01.40 | dalias | lmao :))) |
| 17:01.52 | phrozen77 | mta war! |
| 17:01.53 | phrozen77 | :) |
| 17:02.01 | dalias | my incoming smtp server has a nice 'bug' |
| 17:02.14 | dalias | it drops connection if the HELO doesn't resolve and match the client's ip |
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| 17:02.33 | petemc | very stringent |
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| 17:02.40 | war | that is configurable in postfix |
| 17:02.42 | petemc | not practical for a lot of people, tho |
| 17:02.48 | war | and not recommended and off by default |
| 17:03.00 | dalias | 99% of spam is killed before it has any cost in bandwidth or processing |
| 17:03.25 | streuner_ | !start a mta war |
| 17:03.25 | dpkg | sendmail owns |
| 17:03.29 | dalias | hahahaha |
| 17:03.33 | war | that is outdated |
| 17:03.34 | abrotman | that works if you can control your rdns |
| 17:03.40 | dalias | dpkg has great inflammatory remarks |
| 17:03.51 | dalias | abrotman, rdns doesn't matter for my check |
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| 17:03.56 | dalias | only forward |
| 17:04.07 | dalias | the hostname after HELO must resolve to the ip address |
| 17:04.10 | sly007 | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/0WwgSQ69.html |
| 17:04.11 | dalias | reverse isn't even checked |
| 17:04.14 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 17:04.23 | dalias | and actually i'm a bit lenient |
| 17:04.30 | dalias | it only has to resolve to the same class-B network |
| 17:04.31 | petemc | thats not lenient |
| 17:04.37 | dalias | not the exact ip |
| 17:04.48 | dalias | petemc, :) |
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| 17:05.03 | dalias | most spammers' helos don't even resolve at all |
| 17:05.22 | petemc | true, but theres also lots of badly configured legitimate mtas out there |
| 17:05.22 | dalias | but some of them lie claiming to be yahoo, msn, aol, etc :) |
| 17:05.28 | aerith_ | Starting ftp server: proftpd - Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'SQLAuthTypes' on line 82 of '/etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf' failed! |
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| 17:05.30 | abrotman | sly007: maybe the block size ? |
| 17:05.32 | aerith_ | grrr! |
| 17:05.39 | dalias | yeah, well the rejection message tells the cause of the problem |
| 17:05.50 | dalias | so hopefully that will work its way to the MTA admins |
| 17:05.55 | Ranpha1 | does anybody have a good dhcp tutorials i walked though 50 and none worked... |
| 17:06.27 | dalias | and even for ppl without such hardline dropping... |
| 17:06.27 | dalias | fake HELO adds LOTS of points in many spam-filtering algorithms |
| 17:06.27 | abrotman | Ranpha1: server or client ? |
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| 17:06.27 | Ranpha1 | abrotman server |
| 17:06.31 | dalias | so it's in the sender's best interest to fix it |
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| 17:07.29 | abrotman | Ranpha1: doesn't it have docs ? |
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| 17:07.59 | Ranpha1 | abrotman yeah but even following does...it doesn't work |
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| 17:09.22 | jetscreamer | !seen mwilson |
| 17:09.22 | dpkg | mwilson <i=8SaUcgh2@ip70-179-43-17.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 683d 20h 2m 59s ago, saying: 'liam: Why use nvagp over the kernel AGP driver?'. |
| 17:09.32 | xand | is the search facility on packages.debian.org broken? o.O |
| 17:10.41 | abrotman | xand: which search ? |
| 17:10.58 | xand | oh... seems ok, but I can't search for multiple words... lame |
| 17:10.59 | jetscreamer | works here |
| 17:11.19 | abrotman | you can't |
| 17:11.23 | xand | lame! |
| 17:11.32 | xand | why not? |
| 17:11.33 | abrotman | xand: lame isn't in debian |
| 17:11.41 | xand | haha |
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| 17:12.36 | jetscreamer | officially isn't |
| 17:13.31 | Ranpha1 | abrotman stick figuring out how to connect to linux PC with a crossover cable it seems like mission impossible |
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| 17:14.10 | petemc | Ranpha1: when you plug the cable in, look in dmesg to see if it negotiates a link |
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| 17:15.02 | Ranpha1 | petemc : well i get a red light instead of a green. But what do you need to put in interfaces file then ? |
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| 17:15.38 | petemc | Ranpha1: did you look in dmesg? |
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| 17:16.37 | Ranpha1 | petemc yes but i get link up link down the whole time if i put in two static adresses |
| 17:17.08 | petemc | Ranpha1: configuring addresses shouldnt bring the link up or down |
| 17:17.27 | Ranpha1 | petemc well then it's odd i get link up link down the whole time |
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| 17:18.19 | petemc | you've checked the cable is inserted firmly? |
| 17:18.34 | ajksdflkj | hi guys. anyone here know about beagle? |
| 17:18.43 | Ranpha1 | petemc yeah even checked if it is a crosscable like it should |
| 17:18.58 | Nielsen | my mum had a beagle once, but thats about it |
| 17:19.09 | petemc | Ranpha1: if one of the nics is gigabit you dont need a crossover cable |
| 17:19.22 | abrotman | even with some 100Mb |
| 17:19.27 | pstickne | ajksdflkj, beagle as in the successor to bf? |
| 17:19.29 | petemc | if they autosense, yeah |
| 17:19.37 | Ranpha1 | petemc ..there both gigbit .....you saying i don't need.......nah...... |
| 17:19.51 | pstickne | petemc, why not (the need for a cross)? |
| 17:19.55 | ajksdflkj | oh, ok I tried looking for a beagle channel and didnt find one. I just wanted to know when beagle says it will search webpages does it actually do a google search or does it just search the cached webpages. |
| 17:19.56 | abrotman | Ranpha1: but if you have one .. it won't hurt it |
| 17:20.05 | abrotman | pstickne: they figure it out on their own .. mdi/mdx |
| 17:20.34 | ajksdflkj | pstickne never used bf, but the beagle desktop search is what I am talking about. |
| 17:20.38 | pstickne | abrotman, that's a requirement for all gb eth? |
| 17:20.48 | abrotman | ajksdflkj: might be on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:20.48 | pstickne | neat :) |
| 17:21.01 | ajksdflkj | ok cool thanks. will try there. |
| 17:21.13 | Ranpha1 | abrotman petemc brb i using a normal cable if it works i shutting everthing down and i going to read a book ...if feel stupid then |
| 17:22.58 | jetscreamer | beagle is gnome and gnome is on irc.gimp.org so... maybe |
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| 17:23.16 | abrotman | i said that already |
| 17:23.20 | jetscreamer | o |
| 17:23.26 | jetscreamer | i'm not watching |
| 17:23.40 | abrotman | enough to read the scroll back though ? |
| 17:23.54 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 17:24.08 | jetscreamer | just glancing one every 3-5 min maybe |
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| 17:24.40 | ricardo__ | can someone help me connect to the internet. im in a cafe i want my laptop with debian etch to reach the web |
| 17:24.47 | Ranpha1 | abrotman petemc if you excuse my i going to a corner and screw myself..it works....now all i need is a new cat-6 cable because gigbit won't work on cat 5 |
| 17:24.59 | petemc | it will |
| 17:25.09 | ricardo__ | ive been trying for three days |
| 17:25.14 | abrotman | well .. it will try |
| 17:25.20 | jetscreamer | !wpasupplicant |
| 17:25.23 | abrotman | ricardo__: should we get liable ? |
| 17:25.34 | jetscreamer | !info wpasupplicant |
| 17:25.41 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 17:25.42 | dpkg | wpasupplicant: (Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 223 kB, Installed size: 632 kB |
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| 17:25.44 | jetscreamer | something like that |
| 17:25.48 | ricardo__ | i need everybody to help. im really tied with this |
| 17:25.50 | abrotman | i think he's wired |
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| 17:25.56 | jetscreamer | in a cafe? |
| 17:26.01 | abrotman | ask him .. not me |
| 17:26.04 | petemc | ricardo__: whats the problem? |
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| 17:26.10 | jetscreamer | i suck anyway |
| 17:26.32 | ricardo__ | im in a internet cafe i need my laptop connected to the web |
| 17:26.40 | petemc | ricardo__: more specifically? |
| 17:26.41 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 17:26.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:26.42 | Ranpha1 | petemc one thing....why do ppl sell cat-6 gigbit crossables btw??? if gigabit doesnt need this |
| 17:26.53 | ricardo__ | i can sometimes get on his netwrk but not the web |
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| 17:27.08 | petemc | Ranpha1: dunno, i guess 100mb cards can use cat6 cable |
| 17:27.17 | jetscreamer | you should describe your problem in greater detail ricardo__ |
| 17:27.19 | petemc | Ranpha1: my take on cat6 is it isnt worth the bother |
| 17:27.34 | jetscreamer | tech detail |
| 17:27.40 | Ranpha1 | petemc ..but you need cat-6 for gigbit right? |
| 17:27.46 | petemc | no |
| 17:28.03 | Ranpha1 | petemc no??? cat 5 also works?? |
| 17:28.06 | petemc | correct |
| 17:28.11 | abrotman | sometimes |
| 17:28.12 | petemc | not all cat5, probably |
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| 17:28.25 | pstickne | isn't cat5e limitted to the lower-side of 300Mhz (spec-wise)? |
| 17:28.30 | ricardo__ | jetscreamer i have many times. ive pasted ouput from several commands im following instructions buit we just dont seem to be able to get me online |
| 17:28.42 | Ranpha1 | petemc feel like i'm being screwed by my shop.. oh well .... |
| 17:28.46 | abrotman | pstickne: most people are 5e .. whether or not they know it |
| 17:28.49 | ricardo__ | honestly im shatterd with it |
| 17:28.59 | abrotman | ricardo__: we haven't all been here the whole time |
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| 17:29.16 | Ranpha1 | thanks for the help anyway |
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| 17:29.39 | jetscreamer | good luck then... abrotman 'could' help you, but he can't if you can't tell him details... .... ... :p |
| 17:29.42 | ricardo__ | ok ill try again . give me two secs |
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| 17:30.11 | jetscreamer | !worship abrotman |
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| 17:31.57 | Ranpha1 | btw what is a good tool to test the network speed? |
| 17:32.04 | Fox_HST | where can I down load a lilo.iso file for install lilo to my Dell optiplex 320 computer? |
| 17:32.04 | blubberdiblub | seems i have problems getting my O2 to fetch from my tftp server on debian (for netinstall). i already disabled path mtu discovery and set the local port range to 2048-32767, but still no luck. tcpdump shows the sgi's request as well as the tftp servers replies like that: http://pastebin.ca/678065 when fetching the file via a tftp client from another debian box, there are no such problems ... any ideas? |
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| 17:32.37 | jetscreamer | now *there's* how to ask a question |
| 17:33.00 | jazzanova | Debian Love-Hate Relationship: http://www.love-hate-relationship.com/debian-debate.html |
| 17:33.19 | stilgar_ | czy jest ktos z Polski? |
| 17:33.25 | jetscreamer | !pl |
| 17:33.25 | dpkg | well, pl is perl, "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
| 17:33.53 | jetscreamer | dammit abrotman you mad eme look |
| 17:33.56 | petemc | Ranpha1: i find copying files in a manner similar as you would on a day to day basis to be a good indicator of speed |
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| 17:34.08 | abrotman | look where ? |
| 17:34.15 | jetscreamer | at the screen |
| 17:34.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:34.31 | Ranpha1 | petemc well only have small files...need something big first then....mmmmm |
| 17:34.33 | Ranpha1 | thanks |
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| 17:34.45 | jetscreamer | tar up / Ranpha1 |
| 17:34.55 | jetscreamer | < /dev/zero |
| 17:35.13 | jetscreamer | whatever |
| 17:35.25 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 17:35.29 | ricardo__ | Ok this is my original problem http://paste.debian.net/35969 |
| 17:35.55 | abrotman | ricardo__: did you also get the ipw3945 firmware ? |
| 17:35.58 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 17:35.58 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add contrib and non-free entries in your sources.list and aptitude update; aptitude install ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d; If you are not using the 686 kernel, replace the 686 with the kernel variant you are using (486) |
| 17:36.02 | petemc | Ranpha1: use dd to create a large file |
| 17:36.05 | jetscreamer | you could just pipe crap from random over <protocol> and pipe that to null or somethign weird like that eh |
| 17:36.06 | Fox_HST | where can I down load a lilo.iso file for install lilo to my Dell optiplex 320 computer? |
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| 17:36.35 | jetscreamer | you just apt-get install lilo && liloconfig && lilo |
| 17:36.42 | ricardo__ | abrotman the problm is with kbuild. anyway we decided to get me online through a cable in an internet cafe |
| 17:37.13 | ricardo__ | we configured nameservers gateways etc but no connection to the internt can be established |
| 17:37.22 | abrotman | did you configure your route ? |
| 17:37.42 | Fox_HST | jetscreamer, i can boot . |
| 17:37.44 | ricardo__ | we done the command route .... something i forget now |
| 17:37.45 | Fox_HST | jetscreamer, i cant boot . |
| 17:38.05 | abrotman | ricardo__: route add default gw <ip> |
| 17:38.05 | ricardo__ | abrotman i am dual booting and can get online with xp |
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| 17:38.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:38.59 | Fox_HST | jetscreamer, when I boot into debian with grub on dell , it cant boot |
| 17:39.05 | ricardo__ | abrotman ok two secs |
| 17:39.26 | jetscreamer | iptables -L -n might show something abrotman ... it did for me when i did my wireless. |
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| 17:39.46 | jetscreamer | Fox_HST: what is the error |
| 17:39.56 | ricardo__ | abrotman" route add default gw 192.168.1.1 " |
| 17:40.29 | abrotman | sure |
| 17:40.37 | abrotman | jetscreamer: why would he have a firewall ? |
| 17:40.53 | gladier | hey guys - have another small issue, ive managed to convert a src to deb file - however the deeb file contains nothing .... care to help??? STDOUt, STDERR and the script im using are all seperated |
| 17:40.54 | gladier | http://linuxice.pastebin.com/m1a0b4268 |
| 17:41.02 | ricardo__ | abrotman im using an etehrnet cable |
| 17:41.07 | abrotman | ricardo__: okay ? |
| 17:41.10 | Fox_HST | jetscreamer, i wannt to us lilo to instead my grub |
| 17:41.13 | abrotman | still need a gateway |
| 17:41.17 | ricardo__ | from the comp im using now ill have go offline |
| 17:41.21 | ricardo__ | brb |
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| 17:41.31 | jetscreamer | abrotman: why would i... but i had one configured for eth0, and my iptables fuxored up the wireless.. all i know. i opened it up and it works now. |
| 17:41.37 | abrotman | oh |
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| 17:42.27 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 17:42.34 | bintut | need help in using m-a tool |
| 17:42.49 | jetscreamer | Fox_HST: then apt-get install lilo... try a grub-floppy though ... how many ide controllers. |
| 17:42.54 | bintut | i always get an error in creating a module using the m-a tool |
| 17:43.09 | jetscreamer | as root, m-a prepare |
| 17:43.22 | jetscreamer | what is the error |
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| 17:43.25 | bintut | jetscreamer: i always do that before m-a a-i |
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| 17:44.14 | jetscreamer | Fox_HST: you might look at something like smartbootmanager to get your box to boot... also try using UUID= in menu.lst and fstab |
| 17:44.16 | bintut | jetscreamer: it says, no such file for the debian/generated* |
| 17:44.29 | jetscreamer | beyond me dude :/ |
| 17:45.03 | bintut | anyone here can point me to the right URL where i can read more about the m-a tool except from it's manpage? |
| 17:45.13 | bintut | jetscreamer: it's ok. thanks.. :) |
| 17:45.32 | petemc | bintut: /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 17:46.27 | marcelo_ | I tried the route add gateway but it says network is unreachable |
| 17:47.04 | marcelo_ | abrotman i dont think im even on his network |
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| 17:47.20 | abrotman | marcelo_: are you in windows now ? |
| 17:47.28 | marcelo_ | i dont know if im using my etehrnet card maybe eth1 eth0 |
| 17:47.30 | abrotman | how can you not be on his network ? you're on a wire |
| 17:47.56 | abrotman | run iwconfig .. one will have wireless .. the other wont |
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| 17:48.13 | marcelo_ | my laptop sometimes says when i pluig in th cable connecting to netwrok and sometimes it dont |
| 17:48.33 | foxx | jetscreamer, i wannt to use lilo to instead my grub |
| 17:48.39 | foxx | jetscreamer, because i cant boot with grub |
| 17:48.39 | abrotman | marcelo_: your laptop runs? windows? |
| 17:48.40 | bonez39 | I am trying to find a good expense and timesheet reporting form....for oo or otherwise...suggestions? |
| 17:48.41 | jetscreamer | foxx: ok |
| 17:48.45 | foxx | jetscreamer, I think i need a bootable cd for intsall lilo. |
| 17:48.49 | jetscreamer | boot your system and installit |
| 17:48.58 | jetscreamer | foxx: your install medium.. the cd |
| 17:49.17 | marcelo_ | abrotman when i run iwconfig i get no wireless extention to eth1 eth 0 |
| 17:49.23 | jetscreamer | !rescue |
| 17:49.23 | dpkg | i heard rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 17:49.24 | foxx | jetscreamer, I have the debian netinst, but it seem has not Lilo. |
| 17:49.27 | abrotman | marcelo_: to either one ? |
| 17:49.37 | bintut | petemc: thanks, but there's no documentation like for troubleshooting when envoking m-a |
| 17:49.40 | jetscreamer | !tell foxx -about rescue |
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| 17:49.46 | marcelo_ | bothshow no extentions |
| 17:49.53 | foxx | jetscreamer, thx |
| 17:49.54 | abrotman | marcelo_: dmesg | grep eth .. recognize any of that ? |
| 17:50.04 | abrotman | eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95901A50) rev 3001 PHY(5705)] (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) 10/100B |
| 17:50.04 | abrotman | ase-TX Ethernet 00:06:1b:c2:0d:72 |
| 17:50.07 | abrotman | for example |
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| 17:51.01 | marcelo_ | abrotman let me paste the results |
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| 17:51.34 | jetscreamer | it's not wlan or ath or anything? |
| 17:53.16 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 17:54.18 | marcelo_ | ok this is the result of dmesg http://paste.debian.net/35971 |
| 17:55.03 | abrotman | your e100 is possessed |
| 17:55.26 | marcelo_ | yeah i reckon so |
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| 17:55.58 | abrotman | marcelo_: tried another cable ? |
| 17:56.06 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 17:56.17 | blubberdiblub | hmm, any recent problems with the e100 module? then this might be my problem as well ... the sgi sits on the other end of the e100 link :/ |
| 17:56.19 | marcelo_ | but it works with xp on my laptop |
| 17:56.50 | blubberdiblub | but at least my link doesn't come and fade at will ... |
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| 17:57.04 | marcelo_ | abotman with xp i punch in th numbers and bam im online |
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| 17:58.10 | jetscreamer | ndiswrapper? |
| 17:58.14 | abrotman | marcelo_: why is eth0 in promiscous mode ? |
| 17:58.32 | marcelo_ | i have no idea |
| 17:58.38 | jetscreamer | it's horny |
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| 17:58.49 | roldyx | hello |
| 17:59.28 | roldyx | somebody could install beryl?? |
| 17:59.35 | abrotman | beryl isn't in debian |
| 17:59.38 | abrotman | !tell roldyx about beryl |
| 17:59.40 | marcelo_ | i was in here the other day and i was getting help and we changed interfaces nameservrs gateways etc |
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| 18:00.04 | jetscreamer | and/or auto eth0 |
| 18:00.10 | abrotman | why is eth0 in promiscious mode ? |
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| 18:00.29 | jetscreamer | aha! |
| 18:00.29 | marcelo_ | i really dont know |
| 18:00.30 | roldyx | abrotman: but some package unofficial??? |
| 18:00.42 | abrotman | !tell roldyx about beryl |
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| 18:01.15 | jetscreamer | grep eth /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:01.23 | jetscreamer | !blame hotplug |
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| 18:02.28 | marcelo_ | jetscreamer iface eth1 inet static auto eth0 |
| 18:03.11 | abrotman | why is eth0 auto .. and not eth1 ? |
| 18:03.13 | jetscreamer | that looks strange to me, but i know nothing... why isn't there more |
| 18:03.27 | jetscreamer | like an auto for eth1 and an iface for eth0 |
| 18:03.48 | marcelo_ | jetscreamer liable knows more he asked me to change these settings |
| 18:03.59 | marcelo_ | but i think he is tied with this problem too |
| 18:04.00 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 18:04.04 | abrotman | i'd make both eth0 and eth1 the same settings and make them both auto |
| 18:04.21 | jetscreamer | i think you needed change both... i'd try making them both 0 first |
| 18:04.51 | abrotman | nope .. i'd do them both |
| 18:05.10 | jetscreamer | you should have an auto and an iface line for both eth0 and eth1 is my point |
| 18:05.30 | jetscreamer | 2 lines for each nic |
| 18:05.30 | marcelo_ | liable would be able to tell yopu what we did and didnt do. its a real struggle for me to tell you what has been done |
| 18:05.48 | jetscreamer | paste /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:05.50 | marcelo_ | #iface eth0 inet static |
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| 18:05.58 | marcelo_ | #address 192.168.1.3 |
| 18:06.07 | marcelo_ | #netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 18:06.16 | jetscreamer | i meant on a pastebin |
| 18:06.17 | marcelo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.25 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:06.26 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:06.31 | klikklak | hi, can someone help me with getting utf8 to work with emacs and bitlbee/erc ? |
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| 18:06.45 | marcelo_ | thats what they asked me to do . and if i didnt get a connection replace eth0 with eth1 |
| 18:06.46 | jetscreamer | !explore2fs |
| 18:06.47 | dpkg | hmm... explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write (at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs Ask me about <ext2ifs>. able to access LVM2. |
| 18:06.54 | jetscreamer | read |
| 18:07.01 | jetscreamer | there is no write |
| 18:07.12 | klikklak | currently it's set up to the best of my knowledge, but my friend still complains about öäå not showing properly. is it my fault or his? |
| 18:07.22 | jetscreamer | he has an fs driver, but it's not the same |
| 18:07.30 | klikklak | sadly there's no debian-fi anymore |
| 18:07.41 | petemc | klikklak: can you see it ok? |
| 18:07.46 | klikklak | petemc: yes |
| 18:07.47 | marcelo_ | abrotman we need liable |
| 18:07.54 | petemc | klikklak: sounds like his problem |
| 18:08.01 | abrotman | marcelo_: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 18:08.03 | klikklak | petemc: ok, thanks |
| 18:08.05 | jetscreamer | paste /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:08.12 | jetscreamer | if you could |
| 18:08.17 | marcelo_ | ok |
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| 18:10.56 | jetscreamer | gpm rocks btw |
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| 18:11.06 | marcelo_ | jetscreamer http://paste.debian.net/35978 |
| 18:11.35 | marcelo_ | seems to me we dont know if eth1 is ethernet or not. |
| 18:11.44 | marcelo_ | have we established that |
| 18:11.51 | klikklak | petemc: it looks like they dont' work with jaiku (im client) either, so somethings wrong |
| 18:11.57 | foxx | jetscreamer, is d-i just that netinst.iso? |
| 18:12.07 | jetscreamer | yes foxx |
| 18:12.32 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 18:13.01 | jetscreamer | there's no iface line for eth0.... don't you need one? |
| 18:13.06 | abrotman | marcelo_: you've got to find out why your eth0 is going promisuous |
| 18:13.12 | jetscreamer | you only have one nic, correct? |
| 18:13.13 | foxx | jetscreamer, thx a lot |
| 18:13.15 | abrotman | eth0 is your e100 |
| 18:13.24 | klikklak | well, I'll restart emacs and see if that fixes it. or maybe the x11 interface |
| 18:13.25 | abrotman | and apparently eth1 |
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| 18:13.33 | abrotman | which might be because of promisuous mode |
| 18:13.34 | marcelo_ | abrotman eth0 is ethrnet ? |
| 18:13.56 | jetscreamer | dmesg | grep ethernet |
| 18:14.00 | abrotman | ethtool -i eth0 |
| 18:14.02 | abrotman | ethtool -i eth1 |
| 18:14.06 | abrotman | if you have ethtool |
| 18:14.11 | jetscreamer | wht he said |
| 18:14.40 | abrotman | i still don't like that it's in promiscuous mode |
| 18:14.47 | abrotman | at all |
| 18:14.49 | xdr | http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4879/correctflag1px2.jpg |
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| 18:14.52 | xdr | sorry |
| 18:14.56 | abrotman | can he paste all of dmesg ? |
| 18:14.59 | marcelo_ | abrotman no i dont have it |
| 18:15.08 | abrotman | xdr: wrong channel |
| 18:15.17 | xdr | abrotman: I know :) |
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| 18:15.59 | bintut | anybody can help me here with module-assistant? |
| 18:16.29 | marcelo_ | here is th output of several commands from yesterday . things might hav changed now though http://paste.debian.net/35981 |
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| 18:16.58 | abrotman | i want to know why it's promisuous |
| 18:17.21 | bintut | i want to create a kernel module using m-a.. i check the /usr/src/module/ directory but it doesn't have the directory of the module i want to build and install.. i also don't have a tarball of the package in /usr/src/ |
| 18:17.27 | marcelo_ | i dunno |
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| 18:17.31 | utka | allelujah |
| 18:17.49 | annkas | I'd like to install cinlerra. Can I install it with ap-get? My dist: etch |
| 18:17.54 | hjfreyer | hey all, I'm having difficulty getting my ethernet card working on my debian box |
| 18:17.56 | marcelo_ | abrotman so have we worked out if eth1 is wifif |
| 18:17.57 | abrotman | marcelo_: paste the contents of /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:18.01 | abrotman | erm .. of ls /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:18.06 | hjfreyer | I installed debian when it was plugged into another computer |
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| 18:18.14 | abrotman | no .. eth1 and eth0 are not your wifi |
| 18:18.15 | marcelo_ | ok |
| 18:18.32 | hjfreyer | so it configured the interfaces for that computer. Is there some way I can reconfigure all the networking stuff? |
| 18:18.42 | marcelo_ | im sure eth1 is from a previous install |
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| 18:19.32 | pibe86 | streuner_, hi, finally i could mount my ntfs from boot up |
| 18:19.35 | danf_1979 | Is there any default browser installed in debian? A browser I can rely it is there even if someone is using gnome, kde or something else (GUI based)? |
| 18:19.52 | hjfreyer | Anyone know? My card shows up in lspci, but I don't know how to map that onto eth0 |
| 18:19.58 | pibe86 | danf_1979, iceweasel, no? |
| 18:20.43 | danf_1979 | Uhm, I don't know :) |
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| 18:21.20 | yang | I am unable to use -686 latest kernel with my core2duo processor it fails to boot (doesnt recognisez the hard drive its pata but it needs to be sata or ?), currently it only works with -486 kernel... |
| 18:21.22 | Skyrail | I'm trying to install this program and it says that it requires QT version >= 4.3.0, I've installed QT4 and the dev package but it reports that it's only 4.2.1, I'm using the standard debian repos, how can I update it to 4.3.0 or higher? Are there any repos I can add? |
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| 18:21.42 | infinity0 | Skyrail: lol hai |
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| 18:21.51 | Skyrail | infinity0: hai :P |
| 18:22.17 | Skyrail | infinity0: didn't know you used Debian, or linux for that matter heh |
| 18:22.22 | infinity0 | i don't... yet ¬.¬ |
| 18:22.26 | Skyrail | :P |
| 18:22.30 | infinity0 | going to be in uni ¬.¬ |
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| 18:22.44 | Skyrail | Ah I see, what are you planning on studying there? |
| 18:22.59 | infinity0 | maths... but not sure if we should be chatting in this channel :P |
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| 18:23.06 | Skyrail | Fair point >_> |
| 18:23.25 | hjfreyer | Anyone know how to re-autoconfigure everything to do with networking? |
| 18:23.26 | abrotman | maybe backports.org |
| 18:23.29 | marcelo_ | brb |
| 18:23.44 | infinity0 | Skyrail: btw http://www.noooxml.org/petition |
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| 18:24.10 | cTATUK | Hello. |
| 18:24.36 | cTATUK | Does anyone know of a web-cam that will work out-of-box with Debian stable? |
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| 18:25.08 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 18:25.09 | dpkg | methinks webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 18:25.23 | gloin | !libphp5-broken |
| 18:25.34 | Skyrail | abrotman: thanks, will check it out :) |
| 18:25.48 | abrotman | gloin: you have to actually ask |
| 18:26.05 | annkas | I'd like to install cinelerra. Can I install it with apt-get? My dist: etch |
| 18:26.15 | abrotman | !cinerella |
| 18:26.18 | abrotman | hrm |
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| 18:27.13 | gloin | abrotman: ah, so. I just did a dist-upgrade, and am getting a "broken package" error with libapache-mod-php5 |
| 18:27.14 | marcelo_ | back |
| 18:27.15 | cTATUK | Thanks gloin |
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| 18:27.26 | gloin | cTATUK: huh? |
| 18:27.35 | annkas | !cinelerra |
| 18:27.35 | dpkg | [cinelerra] http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html |
| 18:27.36 | abrotman | gloin: paste the error |
| 18:27.40 | cTATUK | err i meant abrotman ;x |
| 18:27.40 | jetscreamer | gloin: you dwarf! |
| 18:27.43 | gloin | hi jetscreamer |
| 18:27.46 | abrotman | jetscreamer: you tool |
| 18:28.01 | jetscreamer | dpkg, cinelerra is also now in sid |
| 18:28.01 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 18:28.30 | abrotman | bout damn time |
| 18:28.49 | gloin | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/678148 |
| 18:29.05 | abrotman | gloin: you're using lenny on a server ? |
| 18:29.20 | abrotman | !info php5-common testing |
| 18:29.26 | dpkg | php5-common: (Common files for packages built from the php5 source), section web, is optional. Version: 5.2.3-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 223 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
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| 18:29.44 | annkas | jetscreamer: I have etch. Do you know what I should do to get cinelerra? I follow instructions on cvs.cinelerra.org/getting - but the line i paste into sources.list seems to be corrupt |
| 18:30.03 | gloin | yeah, look at the version available, abrotman. libapache wants a different version |
| 18:30.12 | abrotman | gloin: yes .. it wants the version in testing |
| 18:30.21 | jetscreamer | annkas: i did that a year ago... you could try a backport maybe |
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| 18:30.43 | jetscreamer | hmmm i'm not sure if it was sid or marillat's come to think of it |
| 18:30.46 | annkas | dpkg: think this is the right addresse for cinelerra: http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#apt |
| 18:30.46 | dpkg | okay, annkas |
| 18:30.54 | linux_jones | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 18:30.58 | linux_jones | oops |
| 18:31.00 | abrotman | !info cinelerra |
| 18:31.06 | linux_jones | well how do i undo that? |
| 18:31.09 | abrotman | !find cinelerra |
| 18:31.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cinelerra' (1): (/usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/icons/Default/22x22/apps/cinelerra.png, /usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/icons/Default/32x32/apps/cinelerra.png, /usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/icons/Default/48x48/apps/cinelerra.png) in x11/fvwm-crystal. |
| 18:31.19 | marcelo_ | abrotman for some strange reason i cant get the output from init.d to save to my memory stick. |
| 18:31.25 | marcelo_ | what are you looking for there |
| 18:31.33 | abrotman | marcelo_: ls -l /etc/init.d/ > /tmp/output.txt |
| 18:31.46 | pibe86 | hello, how can i remove only packs download from synaptic, not uninstall, only remove the downloaded file |
| 18:32.00 | annkas | !find cinelerra |
| 18:32.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cinelerra' (1): (/usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/icons/Default/22x22/apps/cinelerra.png, /usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/icons/Default/32x32/apps/cinelerra.png, /usr/share/fvwm-crystal/fvwm/icons/Default/48x48/apps/cinelerra.png) in x11/fvwm-crystal. |
| 18:32.05 | gloin | abrotman: it's kind of a mess. I should have checked my sources.list before doing a dist-upgrade - I've got a lot of sources for testing, and other sources as "etch" |
| 18:32.08 | jetscreamer | pibe86: apt-get clean |
| 18:32.16 | jetscreamer | might be marillat's |
| 18:33.07 | gloin | I'm guessing my only choice is to move everything to testing and do another dist-upgrade |
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| 18:33.28 | gloin | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/678151 |
| 18:33.30 | gloin | argh |
| 18:34.15 | hjfreyer | Anyone know how to automatically generate /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:34.21 | linux_jones | does anyone know how to undo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 18:34.26 | abrotman | gloin: shoot the admin |
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| 18:34.32 | abrotman | linux_jones: ask #iptables |
| 18:34.49 | linux_jones | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 18:34.53 | abrotman | gloin: anyways .. aptitude update && try again |
| 18:35.09 | jetscreamer | yeah it's marillat sid version |
| 18:35.15 | hjfreyer | No one? Autoconfiguring /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:35.22 | jetscreamer | not marillat lenny |
| 18:35.44 | marcelo_ | abrotman i cant get the txt file to save to my memory stick |
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| 18:35.52 | marcelo_ | which makes things nearly impossible |
| 18:36.18 | gloin | ah, I think I got it :) |
| 18:36.25 | gloin | and nailed it down to etch |
| 18:36.26 | haggz | hjfreyer: no idea if this package is actually useful to you, but poking around some manpages led me to ifplugd which claims to be a daemon for autoconfiguring network interfaces |
| 18:36.37 | marcelo_ | abrotman no itsa decided to do it 2 minutes after i asked it to save |
| 18:36.43 | abrotman | marcelo_: did you run sync and umount ? |
| 18:36.50 | jetscreamer | dpkg, no, cinelerra is also now in marillat's sid |
| 18:36.50 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 18:36.57 | jetscreamer | !cinelerra |
| 18:36.57 | dpkg | it has been said that cinelerra is http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html, or now in sid, or now in marillat's sid |
| 18:37.02 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 18:37.25 | hjfreyer | haggz: I'll check it out. I just figure some program must do it at install time |
| 18:37.29 | hjfreyer | so, which program is it? |
| 18:37.45 | marcelo_ | abrotman http://paste.debian.net/35982 |
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| 18:38.10 | hjfreyer | The other problem is, I have no way of getting packages onto this computer without the ethernet working |
| 18:38.13 | jetscreamer | dpkg no, cinelerra is http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html, but now in marillat's debian-multimedia sid |
| 18:38.13 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i already had it that way |
| 18:38.23 | jetscreamer | o |
| 18:38.28 | jetscreamer | !cinelerra |
| 18:38.28 | dpkg | from memory, cinelerra is http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.html, but now in marillat's debian-multimedia sid |
| 18:39.05 | abrotman | marcelo_: this is debian ? |
| 18:39.13 | marcelo_ | debian etch |
| 18:39.26 | abrotman | really ? |
| 18:39.27 | hjfreyer | Is there any way to get a list of the network interfaces that have been detected? |
| 18:39.34 | abrotman | marcelo_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what's the number ? |
| 18:39.40 | jetscreamer | dmesg | grep eth |
| 18:39.52 | hjfreyer | fair |
| 18:40.03 | hjfreyer | ahhh |
| 18:40.33 | marcelo_ | abrotman 2.3.6dsl-13 |
| 18:40.34 | pibe86 | hello, i need a traductor, some one know about one? |
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| 18:41.05 | abrotman | marcelo_: you've got so much crap installed .. i can't even guess what's interfering |
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| 18:41.39 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 18:41.39 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:41.46 | marcelo_ | but ive had this system using ethernt before |
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| 18:42.13 | gladier | hey guys - have another small issue, ive managed to convert a src to deb file - however the deeb file contains nothing .... care to help??? STDOUt, STDERR and the script im using are all seperated |
| 18:42.13 | abrotman | and then you installed osmething |
| 18:42.15 | gladier | http://linuxice.pastebin.com/m1a0b4268 |
| 18:42.24 | jetscreamer | did you fix the interfaces file? it's fucked up :) |
| 18:42.41 | marcelo_ | jet what do i need to do |
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| 18:43.03 | jetscreamer | you only have one nic |
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| 18:43.24 | jetscreamer | did you ever figure out what /dev is the wireless? |
| 18:43.36 | jetscreamer | in/under |
| 18:43.47 | marcelo_ | nope |
| 18:43.59 | marcelo_ | walk me through it i havent a clue |
| 18:44.02 | benny99 | hi, I just installed a new kernel, but I wonder whether I'll be still able to use my WLAN Card after I booted the new one |
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| 18:44.48 | marcelo_ | im starting to think i should work on the kbuild problem and forget trying to get a connection throught the cafe |
| 18:44.49 | Wyzard | benny99: Did you have to compile any out-of-tree kernel modules to get the card working under the old kernel? |
| 18:45.11 | marcelo_ | even wiith the bet of help im not getting anywhere |
| 18:45.13 | benny99 | Wyzard, something from the deb-src repos |
| 18:45.36 | Wyzard | benny99: Thta doesn't sound like a kernel module... what did you have to compile? |
| 18:45.49 | benny99 | the ralink2x00 Driver |
| 18:45.51 | hjfreyer | When I run ifup eth0 I get: eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 18:45.59 | hjfreyer | but eth0 shows up in dmesg |
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| 18:46.21 | Wyzard | benny99: Something like ralink2500-source? |
| 18:46.27 | benny99 | yep |
| 18:46.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: help marcelo_ ! |
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| 18:47.27 | marcelo_ | Wyzard i need help getting my laptop connected to the internt from an internet cafe |
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| 18:47.46 | Wyzard | benny99: and you mentioned deb-src... did you use "apt-get source" when installing it? |
| 18:47.54 | testergg | hi all, just wondering if anyone knows how I can repair or make bootable my hard drive, I have been struggleing with testdisk but when I wrote the mbr it just shows F1234 or something like that when I boot |
| 18:48.01 | benny99 | Wyzard, yep, I guess so |
| 18:48.02 | Wyzard | benny99: or did you "apt-get install rt2500-source" and then use module-assistant? |
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| 18:48.15 | benny99 | Wyzard, sorry, the second one |
| 18:48.44 | wols_ | testergg: grub or lilo? |
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| 18:49.02 | benny99 | Wyzard, some time passed since :(... I just wonder whether that source is still available |
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| 18:49.48 | foxx | jetscreamer, i am in rescue mode, and fond lilo-xxx.deb, how can i install it ? |
| 18:50.08 | Wyzard | benny99: rt2x00-source, rt2400-source, rt2500-source, and rt2570-source are all available |
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| 18:50.32 | gloin | abrotman: thanks for the help. outta here. ttyl jetx |
| 18:50.33 | benny99 | Wyzard, sorry, I meant, whether I'd have to download it again |
| 18:50.34 | Wyzard | benny99: The correct way to build these is to install the package and then use module-assistant |
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| 18:50.49 | Wyzard | benny99: "apt-get source" and deb-src lines should not be involved at all |
| 18:51.18 | Wyzard | benny99: No, the package just provides driver source code in /usr/src/rt2x00.tar.gz |
| 18:51.37 | Wyzard | benny99: If you still have it installed, that file should still exist, and module-assistant will compile it for the new kernel |
| 18:51.43 | testergg | wols: grub |
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| 18:52.20 | testergg | wols: I am able to mount it and copy from it, but it won't boot |
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| 18:52.40 | benny99 | Wyzard, so I simply reboot and do those module-assistant steps again :) ? |
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| 18:53.24 | marcelo_ | nobdy replies to mu posts at debian forum or linuxquestion as with the debian mailing list. so how am i going to get my laptop online ? |
| 18:53.42 | asarch | Hi everyone, how is it getting along? |
| 18:53.47 | asarch | How's the weather? |
| 18:53.54 | Wyzard | benny99: Yes, and if you want you can even use module-assistant before booting the new kernel, by using the "-l" option to specify the version string ("2.6.22-1-amd64") for the new kernel |
| 18:53.54 | asarch | What is your problem marcelo_ |
| 18:53.55 | asarch | ? |
| 18:54.07 | benny99 | Wyzard, thanks :) |
| 18:54.21 | benny99 | Wyzard, (gnah... an amd64 would be great...) |
| 18:54.25 | wols_ | marcelo_: we need morinput to help you. e.g. what WLAN chip. what did you do up to now, etc |
| 18:54.30 | marcelo_ | asarch i want my laptop to connect to the internt from a cafe using ethernet. |
| 18:54.38 | Wyzard | benny99: sorry, I meant to write "for example" after "2.6.22-1-amd64" |
| 18:54.43 | benny99 | yep ;) |
| 18:54.58 | wols_ | testergg: same foes for you. what did you do up to no, did you use grub-install, if so what errors did you get etc |
| 18:55.00 | benny99 | Wyzard, I understood -- just thought about buying a new proc one day ;) |
| 18:55.01 | asarch | Firs of all, does the kernel supports your ethernet card? |
| 18:55.12 | asarch | marcelo_? |
| 18:55.32 | marcelo_ | i have been able to use the card from etch before yes |
| 18:55.33 | jetscreamer | repaste those pastebin links marcelo_ |
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| 18:56.01 | asarch | is it up (ifconfig up)? |
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| 18:56.06 | asarch | marcelo_? |
| 18:56.06 | Wyzard | benny99: I've been running AMD64 Debian since January... the only real difference I've noticed vs. i386 is that a few closed-source apps aren't available: Google Earth and Sun's Java plugin for browsers |
| 18:56.30 | Wyzard | benny99: Flash used to be on that list too, but there's now a working flashplugin-nonfree package for amd64 in unstable |
| 18:56.32 | hjfreyer | Nobody know how to just reconfigure networking so it's like a fresh install? |
| 18:56.51 | marcelo_ | error fetching interface information: device not found |
| 18:56.56 | asarch | Exactly |
| 18:56.57 | marcelo_ | i havent the cable connected !! |
| 18:56.58 | wols_ | hjfreyer: there is no such thing. you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces manually |
| 18:56.59 | Wyzard | benny99: Everything else is pretty much the same on a 64-bit system |
| 18:57.17 | jetscreamer | auto eth0 |
| 18:57.18 | jetscreamer | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 18:57.21 | asarch | marcelo: Could you please paste your dmesg at pastebin.ca? |
| 18:57.34 | hjfreyer | jetscreamer: I have that, and dmesg shows eth0 being loaded |
| 18:57.37 | benny99 | Wyzard, except for a clock >500 |
| 18:57.43 | hjfreyer | but ifup says eth0 doesn't exist |
| 18:57.49 | asarch | Then is missconfigured |
| 18:57.54 | marcelo_ | asarch ok hang on |
| 18:57.54 | asarch | *it |
| 18:57.55 | wols_ | marcelo_: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 18:57.59 | benny99 | Wyzard, but that's also some useful info :) |
| 18:58.06 | pibe86 | which use, apt-get or aptitude? |
| 18:58.13 | wols_ | pibe86: aptitude |
| 18:58.14 | jetscreamer | aptitude |
| 18:58.19 | Wyzard | benny99: If you mean 500MHz, there are lots of 32-bit systems faster than that... |
| 18:58.23 | pibe86 | some people tell me, use apt-get, other say to me use aptitude |
| 18:58.26 | jetscreamer | dmesg | grep eth |
| 18:58.29 | jetscreamer | aptitude |
| 18:58.31 | benny99 | Wyzard, yep, of course |
| 18:58.42 | wols_ | pibe86: from etch onward: aptitude by default |
| 18:58.46 | hjfreyer | jetscreamer: is that directed at me? |
| 18:59.02 | pibe86 | wols_, ok |
| 18:59.05 | pibe86 | byes |
| 18:59.21 | benny99 | Wyzard, doesn't matter at all -- to make sure I do not break my system, could you ask the bot for that module-assistant tutorial? |
| 18:59.27 | wols_ | hjfreyer: is a drivre for your ethernet loaded? |
| 18:59.33 | Zizzling | Hmm, do we have a good rsync gui thats made in C or C++ and GTK+ ? |
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| 18:59.45 | DustyBin | my ftp server uses port 1626 and passive ports 8000-9999, a lot of my friends are having difficulty logging in, do they need to forward the passive ports on their routers for it to work? |
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| 18:59.57 | Wyzard | !tell benny99 about module-assistant |
| 18:59.58 | hjfreyer | wols_: I'm not sure what the driver is |
| 18:59.59 | Wyzard | benny99: You mean that? |
| 19:00.02 | benny99 | yep :) |
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| 19:00.06 | Wyzard | benny99: You can also just "/msg dpkg module-assistant" |
| 19:00.08 | wols_ | hjfreyer: then find out. use lspci |
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| 19:00.24 | benny99 | Wyzard, thanks :) |
| 19:00.38 | benny99 | Wyzard, ok, will do that next time |
| 19:00.38 | wols_ | DustyBin: no. YOU need to forward those passive ports |
| 19:00.41 | hjfreyer | wols_: ADMteck NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 |
| 19:00.53 | hjfreyer | *ADMtek |
| 19:00.55 | DustyBin | wols_: i did that, and im able to log into my ftp server ok |
| 19:00.57 | asarch | Why sometimes aptitude shows me that there is available a new kernel version when, in fact, it is the same I am currently using? |
| 19:01.05 | wols_ | hjfreyer: that sounds like the card in there. you need the name of the chip |
| 19:01.07 | DustyBin | its just a lot of other people are getting problems |
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| 19:01.27 | jetscreamer | asarch: the updates are not reflected, the apparent version doesn't change |
| 19:01.27 | Wyzard | DustyBin: FTP is insecure... use SFTP |
| 19:01.30 | hjfreyer | wols_: RaLink rt2500? |
| 19:01.35 | hjfreyer | isn't that for wifi? |
| 19:01.41 | asarch | jetscreamer: I see... |
| 19:01.46 | wols_ | hjfreyer: yes it is |
| 19:01.53 | xingu | Wyzard: sftp is slow, use https :) |
| 19:02.05 | jetscreamer | i don't know why, i just know that's how it is |
| 19:02.13 | hjfreyer | wols_: ah, right, I remember I have a dead wifi card in there |
| 19:02.14 | Wyzard | DustyBin: (SFTP also only uses one port; there's no such thing as "passive ports" or the stupid back-connections that FTP does by default) |
| 19:03.02 | hjfreyer | wols_: it's tulip apparently |
| 19:03.22 | DustyBin | vsftp is not a sftp server? |
| 19:03.22 | Zizzling | "Wyzard: DustyBin: FTP is insecure... use SFTP" You mean ProFTPD with TLS/SSL then ? |
| 19:03.31 | wols_ | hjfreyer: ick! :) |
| 19:03.36 | asarch | Damn! |
| 19:03.38 | hjfreyer | heh |
| 19:03.51 | Wyzard | Zizzling: That's better, though much more work to set up |
| 19:03.51 | wols_ | Zizzling: no. he means sshd |
| 19:03.58 | Wyzard | indeed |
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| 19:04.03 | wols_ | DustyBin: nope. but your sshd is |
| 19:04.16 | Zizzling | Wyzard: gproftpd and some clicking and its done |
| 19:04.20 | hjfreyer | wols_: any ideas? |
| 19:04.26 | DustyBin | dam it took me ages to setup vsftpd and i was really happy with it :( |
| 19:04.28 | marcelo_ | asarch |
| 19:04.44 | jetscreamer | apt-get install oc3 |
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| 19:04.44 | marcelo_ | i cant save to my memry stick for some reason |
| 19:04.53 | hjfreyer | wols_: lsmod shows tulip, but it's being used by 0 it says |
| 19:05.11 | marcelo_ | I didnt realise computers could be so difficult |
| 19:05.13 | asarch | It is because it is mounted as read-only |
| 19:05.14 | wols_ | hjfreyer: ifconfig -a |
| 19:05.36 | marcelo_ | asarch no |
| 19:05.40 | hjfreyer | it has eth3,lo, and sit0... weird |
| 19:05.51 | wols_ | hjfreyer: blame udev |
| 19:06.10 | hjfreyer | wols_: dmesg says nothing about eth3 |
| 19:06.24 | Wyzard | hjfreyer: See /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 19:06.35 | marcelo_ | are we attacking this problem methdoically enough ? |
| 19:06.45 | benny99 | Wyzard, bye, and thanks once again ;) |
| 19:06.57 | xingu | now that's what I call neat; never used mmc stuff on this notebook before, plug one in, whammo it all just works |
| 19:07.08 | Wyzard | hjfreyer: udev renames interfaces based on their MAC address so that the same device always gets the same name |
| 19:07.19 | marcelo_ | or is it you need to be an expert in linux to get anything done ? |
| 19:07.30 | hjfreyer | Wyzard: aha, this file has tulip associated with eth3 |
| 19:07.42 | hjfreyer | Wyzard: can I regenerate the file, or should I edit it? |
| 19:07.43 | asarch | Do you speak spanish marcelo_? |
| 19:07.49 | marcelo_ | no |
| 19:07.52 | wols_ | hjfreyer: edit |
| 19:08.00 | asarch | Mmmm... |
| 19:08.11 | asarch | Damn! Not again! |
| 19:08.14 | Wyzard | xingu: SD/MMC card reader? |
| 19:08.15 | xingu | 6.8MB/s, nice. |
| 19:08.22 | marcelo_ | or is there something very wrong with the concept of open source community effort ? |
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| 19:08.38 | Wyzard | xingu: If it's using the SDHCI driver, be careful -- I've noticed corruption when copying files from cards in kernels past 2.6.18 |
| 19:08.46 | wols_ | marcelo_: stop trolling please |
| 19:08.52 | xingu | Wyzard: ja, built in 4-in-one job on the notebook, just whacked an mmc card in and all the gnome bits sprang into live |
| 19:08.56 | hark | marcelo_: wtf |
| 19:09.10 | testergg | wols: so when I boot from another linux system and mount /dev/hdb1 I can do a grub-install to /dev/hdb1? I didn't know I could do that |
| 19:09.13 | Zizzling | marcelo_: whats the problem ? |
| 19:09.18 | marcelo_ | hark i have every rson to be annoyd |
| 19:09.20 | hjfreyer | YESSS!! |
| 19:09.23 | wols_ | testergg: you can. with caveats |
| 19:09.23 | hjfreyer | Wyzard: you are my hero |
| 19:09.29 | jetscreamer | he did say he's been trying for days |
| 19:09.38 | hjfreyer | thanks all! |
| 19:09.42 | Wyzard | xingu: My laptop has a reader made by Ricoh which uses the "sdhci" module, and with current kernels if I copy the same set of files (photos from my camera) off the card multiple times and then compare the copies, I'll find md5sum differences in a few files in each copy |
| 19:09.56 | testergg | wols: what are the cageats |
| 19:09.57 | wols_ | jetscreamer: that's not our problem. he's free to go back to windows, stone tablets or whatever he used before |
| 19:10.10 | jetscreamer | just mentioning, no more |
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| 19:10.14 | marcelo_ | wols but this is not progress |
| 19:10.27 | wols_ | testergg: you need to chroot to thae linux install you want to make bootable for example |
| 19:10.29 | marcelo_ | 3 days of effort and what has been th result ? |
| 19:10.33 | jetscreamer | you offended the gods marcelo_ you'll have to atone |
| 19:10.40 | jetscreamer | !sacrifice marcelo_ |
| 19:10.41 | Zizzling | marcelo_: ^^? |
| 19:10.55 | Zizzling | Yum! :) |
| 19:10.59 | wols_ | marcelo_: the result has been a ver y poor effort on your part to be clear and consice from what I can see here of you so far. so maybe you need to improve? |
| 19:11.05 | marcelo_ | i know about the gods and they can lick my feet |
| 19:11.15 | wols_ | if you want to get all the answers without any effort for yourself: hire a consultant |
| 19:11.21 | Wyzard | hjfreyer: You said that file mentions the tulip driver... that seems unusual to me, since my entries in that file just refer to MAC addresses, not drivers |
| 19:11.23 | jetscreamer | oh well, sorry dudes |
| 19:11.36 | marcelo_ | wols check out my patses they are clear |
| 19:12.33 | testergg | wols_: I don't know how to do that |
| 19:12.39 | Zizzling | BotAthon? :) |
| 19:12.40 | wols_ | marcelo_: you asked about your network, some people asked something in return, you jump to your memory stick. dude, learn some perseverance or it's no ones fault but your own it's not working |
| 19:13.11 | xingu | Wyzard: this one is a Genesys Logic usb peripheral by the looks |
| 19:13.19 | xingu | Wyzard: comes in as USB mass storage which is neat |
| 19:13.29 | marcelo_ | i go to the memory stick to get the output of code so i can past it for you |
| 19:14.28 | h3sp4wn | Genesys Logic usb->ide is the devils work (see the linux usb faq) was broken with 2.6 for ages but it doesn't even work well |
| 19:14.54 | robboplus | is there a way of creating a "file" that is stored in memory rather than on disk? |
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| 19:14.58 | wols_ | testergg: how did it exactly happen you don't have a bootlaoder on that disk? |
| 19:15.04 | jetscreamer | !ramdisk |
| 19:15.05 | dpkg | it has been said that ramdisk is a method of using a portion of your ram as if it were another hard drive partition. See http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html |
| 19:15.06 | wols_ | testergg: ie. did you install windows for example? |
| 19:15.20 | robboplus | jetscreamer many thanks... i had no idea that there is a ramdisk on linux... |
| 19:15.22 | Wyzard | robboplus: Mount a tmpfs somewhere and create files there |
| 19:15.31 | marcelo_ | what makes it more painfull is that i can go to windows and solve this problm in minutes. im not a windows fan but you can see that 3 day compared to a few minuts is tormenting |
| 19:15.36 | robboplus | Wyzard oh wow that sounds even better |
| 19:15.52 | Wyzard | robboplus: You can create an actual "ramdisk", as an in-memory block device, but tmpfs is a RAM-based filesystem that grows dynamically to fit whatever you put in it |
| 19:15.52 | testergg | wols_: The power pins broke off the drive, when I was removing it from the system. I had to solder new cables to the drive, then it wouldn't boot anymore, now I have made it mountable but it is not bootable |
| 19:16.03 | robboplus | what i need is several logs to be put in there that are very busy and i only want them to get dumped onto drive once per hour or so |
| 19:16.27 | sayers | I need a lightweight web browser that is still functional. Any package suggestions? |
| 19:16.39 | jetscreamer | dillo? |
| 19:16.42 | robboplus | Wyzard tmpfs seems like perfect solution but can you actually dump the contents onto hdd? |
| 19:17.06 | wols_ | testergg: a hardware problem like that should kill the MBR. you sure it's not a hw problem? but: how are you booting linux right now? |
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| 19:17.15 | Wyzard | robboplus: They're ordinary files, so you can just copy them |
| 19:17.27 | robboplus | Wyzard oh lol.. that's right :) just realised how simple that is |
| 19:17.47 | Wyzard | robboplus: You could set up logrotate to put the archived logs somewhere else, for example |
| 19:17.54 | robboplus | Wyzard that's right |
| 19:18.01 | blubberdiblub | robboplus: some syslogging daemons (like syslog-ng for instance, don't know about the simple syslog) can be configured to dump (even certain files only) every hour |
| 19:18.02 | testergg | wols_: I bought another hd and installed etch, and not I can mount the damaged drive and am copying everything off just to be safe, but I really would appreciate to be able to get it to be bootable again |
| 19:18.13 | robboplus | Wyzard and should i mount tmpfs somewhere first? as i still don't get this |
| 19:18.18 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: yeah, that's basically a built-in logrotate |
| 19:18.27 | robboplus | blubberdiblub hm yes that would be ideal |
| 19:18.34 | Wyzard | robboplus: yeah, mount tmpfs /mnt/foo -t tmpfs |
| 19:18.45 | robboplus | there are like 6 logs running and very busy 24/7 and they seem to be killing my hdd |
| 19:18.50 | wols_ | testergg: tricky cause you changed boot order in BIOS now. which means it might change again if you remove the new harddisk |
| 19:19.00 | marcelo_ | ok wyzard why dont you help |
| 19:19.04 | robboplus | Wyzard so many thanks for this solution.. i bet i will like it :) |
| 19:19.15 | Wyzard | robboplus: The first instance of "tmpfs" is actually arbitrary and can be anything you want -- normally it'd be the name of a block device but tmpfs has no block device so it's ignored -- but writing "tmpfs" there is the convention |
| 19:19.22 | wols_ | testergg: http://www.google.de/search?q=grub+debian++windows&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a are a ton of howtos. the basic way to do it is always the same |
| 19:19.38 | Wyzard | robboplus: You probably already have a few tmpfs mounted on your system for other purposes -- udev mounts one on /dev, for example |
| 19:19.51 | Dunedan | I have a problem with the include syntax of rsync. I wanna include all contents of /var/mail and tried --include "/var/mail/***", but that doesn't seem to work. How would the correct include look like? |
| 19:19.56 | robboplus | Wyzard yes i do, just was about to ask you... it seems to be mounted somewhere... |
| 19:19.58 | testergg | wols_: thanks I will try |
| 19:20.02 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I don't know any details of what you're trying to do or what problems you're encountering |
| 19:20.15 | robboplus | Wyzard tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) and also tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755) |
| 19:20.16 | wols_ | testergg: if you have a specific problem or don't understand something, just ask here |
| 19:20.41 | Wyzard | robboplus: yeah, /lib/init/rw is used during bootup I think, and /dev/shm is used by glibc's implementation of POSIX shared memory |
| 19:20.47 | robboplus | Wyzard should i mount --bind then e.g. to /var/log/crap ? |
| 19:20.51 | marcelo_ | Wyzard THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY IM NOT CLEAR |
| 19:20.59 | jetscreamer | uhoh |
| 19:21.03 | Wyzard | robboplus: Mount a new one, don't bind |
| 19:21.12 | jetscreamer | he was trying to be nice i think, marcelo_ |
| 19:21.13 | robboplus | marcelo_ man, this guy knows alot.. please be kind to him and do not use caps if you want him to help you... |
| 19:21.21 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I said nothing of the sort |
| 19:21.36 | robboplus | Wyzard so just a typical bind - many thanks! can't wait to try it now |
| 19:21.44 | Wyzard | robboplus: No, not a bind at all |
| 19:21.47 | marcelo_ | ah anyway i dont want to argue i want my laptop conncted to the net |
| 19:21.52 | Wyzard | robboplus: mount tmpfs /var/log/crap -t tmpfs |
| 19:21.56 | robboplus | err typical mount that is |
| 19:21.57 | testergg | wols_: what would hdb1 be to grub hd(1,1)? |
| 19:21.59 | wols_ | marcelo_: I said this. and I also asked for specific info half an hour ago you STILL haven't provided. and you wonder why you're too stupid to do something simple? |
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| 19:22.01 | robboplus | too excited lol |
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| 19:22.20 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a nice application to make or print CD pictures? |
| 19:22.27 | wols_ | testergg: usually yes.depends on device.map in /boot/grub/device.map tho |
| 19:22.27 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You're mistaking me for someone else -- I haven't been involved at all in your discussion today, because I don't know enough of the details to even have an idea whether I'd be able to help |
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| 19:22.45 | wols_ | testergg: oops. hdb1 is )hd1,0) rather |
| 19:22.48 | jetscreamer | marcelo_: make yourself up a file, and put in it what you have, what you have done, and the links to all those other pastebins you did, and then paste that... it will save you a lot of repeating. |
| 19:22.59 | aarcane | Hi, which debian version is the most up to date and also includes xen and selinux ? |
| 19:23.14 | wols_ | !info xen etch |
| 19:23.16 | marcelo_ | wols ive done what has been asked several times . |
| 19:23.28 | Wyzard | aarcane: Xen is available and working in etch... no idea about selinux support |
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| 19:23.33 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a nice application to make and print CD album images? |
| 19:23.40 | wols_ | marcelo_: this is wrong: 20:58 < wols_> marcelo_: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 19:24.00 | marcelo_ | yes and i said the memory stick isnt working. do you recal that |
| 19:24.19 | jetscreamer | !vfatrw |
| 19:24.19 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 19:24.21 | wols_ | a memory stick has NOTHING to do with ifconfig -a |
| 19:24.35 | marcelo_ | yeah if you want the pasted output |
| 19:24.35 | jetscreamer | he needs to transfer the file to the box with the internet |
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| 19:24.50 | wols_ | for all the blabbering you did up to now you could have typed its outputs in somewhree tenfold |
| 19:25.12 | Nielsen | abrotman: i heh |
| 19:25.27 | Nielsen | err... no, just hehe |
| 19:25.35 | wols_ | why do I bother. jetscreamer he's yours. have fun with him |
| 19:25.45 | jetscreamer | abrotman, abrotman ... does whatever an abrot can... |
| 19:25.46 | marcelo_ | wols yeah maybe but i like to make sure everything is clear |
| 19:25.49 | jetscreamer | wols_: not me |
| 19:26.02 | jetscreamer | marcelo_: make yourself up a file, and put in it what you have, what you have done, and the links to all those other pastebins you did, and then paste that... it will save you a lot of repeating. |
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| 19:26.14 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Saying the memory stick "doesn't work" doesn't provide much helpful info... what prevents you from using it? (Does it fail to mount? Does the kernel not even recognize it as a block device? etc.) |
| 19:26.16 | jetscreamer | and add to it as needed |
| 19:26.26 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 19:26.40 | marcelo_ | jetscreamer yaeah thats a good idea |
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| 19:27.04 | jetscreamer | marcelo_: gpm is your friend, also |
| 19:27.12 | jetscreamer | !gpm |
| 19:27.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 19:27.16 | jetscreamer | if you have it |
| 19:27.37 | marcelo_ | !gpm whats that ? |
| 19:27.38 | jetscreamer | mouse for console |
| 19:27.49 | jetscreamer | copy/paste |
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| 19:29.05 | Zizzling | simonrvn: washed off the microsoft stench yet ? ;) |
| 19:29.06 | [jj] | hi all |
| 19:29.22 | jetscreamer | heh cool nick |
| 19:29.23 | [jj] | anyone here interested in sharing some braincells with me? |
| 19:29.32 | simonrvn | Zizzling: what? |
| 19:29.35 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 19:29.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 19:29.58 | [jj] | I've got it all set up, and it's working, however, I only see dhcpdiscover / dhcpoffer messages in my logs |
| 19:30.02 | simonrvn | Zizzling: oh you're one of those who thinks that M$hit site is mine |
| 19:30.08 | [jj] | and my laptop won't accept the address being offered |
| 19:30.16 | simonrvn | Zizzling: well, you're quite mistaken |
| 19:30.23 | [jj] | if I configure my network manually everything works as expected |
| 19:30.27 | Zizzling | simonrvn: Tell me about it ? |
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| 19:30.40 | Wyzard | [jj]: Do you know if your laptop is actually receiving the offer messages? |
| 19:30.51 | [jj] | wyzard: it does |
| 19:31.01 | [jj] | I've tcpdumped and seen the replies coming back |
| 19:31.04 | [jj] | laptop is osx |
| 19:31.08 | [jj] | server is debian etch |
| 19:31.11 | Wyzard | [jj]: It receives the offer, but doesn't send a request for the offered address? |
| 19:31.12 | [jj] | and the stupid thing is |
| 19:31.14 | [jj] | it _used_ to work |
| 19:31.16 | [jj] | same config |
| 19:31.19 | [jj] | but with debian sarge |
| 19:31.21 | Zizzling | simonrvn: If it was me that site would not be operational in that case |
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| 19:31.30 | [jj] | (one crashed disk and one reinstall later ...) |
| 19:31.32 | jetscreamer | !enter |
| 19:31.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 19:31.36 | Wyzard | [jj]: That sounds like a problem with the DHCP client, not the server |
| 19:31.49 | Wyzard | [jj]: unless the laptop is sending a dhcprequest and the server isn't returning a dhcpack |
| 19:31.52 | [jj] | wyzard: the strange thing is that this setup worked yesterday |
| 19:32.06 | Wyzard | [jj]: Look in the logs on the client end |
| 19:32.08 | [jj] | wyzard: I don't see any dhcprequests |
| 19:32.17 | [jj] | ah, haven't checked those yet |
| 19:32.18 | [jj] | willd o |
| 19:32.25 | Wyzard | [jj]: then the client is ignoring the offer... sounds like a client-side problem to me |
| 19:32.45 | sayers | How do I sync my time? |
| 19:32.54 | simonrvn | Zizzling: that's me, that looks nothing like that other guy. http://image.kisikew.org/simon/simonwpgtiny.jpg . i guess it didn't occur to people like you to check your facts before you go believing everything you read on the intarwebs |
| 19:33.05 | [jj] | sayers: apt-get install ntpdate |
| 19:33.07 | jetscreamer | on mine, allow-hotplug eth0 being in interfaces borks out every time after installing, but auto eth0 ... why is that |
| 19:33.15 | [jj] | sayers: ntpdate <ntpserver> |
| 19:33.22 | jetscreamer | auto works |
| 19:33.22 | [jj] | i.e. ntpdate ntp.xs4all.nl |
| 19:33.39 | Wyzard | [jj]: You could try using a different client to confirm that it's a client problem... I prefer dhclient (in the dhcp3-client package) but there's also dhcpcd or pump (for example) |
| 19:34.22 | Zizzling | simonrvn: hehe |
| 19:35.00 | gladier | hey guys - have another small issue, ive managed to convert a src to deb file - however the deeb file contains nothing .... care to help??? STDOUt, STDERR and the script im using are all seperated |
| 19:35.01 | gladier | http://linuxice.pastebin.com/m1a0b4268 |
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| 19:35.15 | jetscreamer | yeah ok ... C U, wouldn't want to B U. Pssst... you're being tracked by server logs. |
| 19:35.26 | simonrvn | ding |
| 19:35.27 | [jj] | wyzard: I've only got osx laptops here atm |
| 19:35.41 | jetscreamer | that'a tiny picture |
| 19:36.06 | simonrvn | yeh, have bigger somewhere... can't find it right now... i'l go look |
| 19:36.19 | Zizzling | simonrvn: So, to reiterate the question, why is that other site still up ? ;) |
| 19:36.19 | Wyzard | [jj]: ah... well, they probably still have logs you can look at, but you might want to ask an OSX channel about that |
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| 19:36.47 | Gokee2 | Anyone know a good way to take off the end of a .mp3 file? (leaving about an hour of a 4-5 hour file) |
| 19:36.57 | jetscreamer | edit it |
| 19:37.04 | simonrvn | Zizzling: and why are you asking me that? ask that other dude. what kind of question is that? |
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| 19:37.37 | Wyzard | [jj]: I think Apple's DHCP client may be quirky... a Mac user I know has told me that his Mac can't get an IP address from a certain router, because of something involving timeouts |
| 19:37.53 | simonrvn | http://image.kisikew.org/wx/urbanraven/simonwpg.jpg |
| 19:37.57 | wols_ | Gokee2: apt-cache search mp3cut |
| 19:37.59 | Zizzling | simonrvn: Could be in your interrest maybe. But you do as you wish |
| 19:38.00 | [jj] | wyzard: I know of one bug with the leases being too short |
| 19:38.17 | Wyzard | [jj]: I don't know if he meant that the offer took too long to arrive and the Mac DHCP client stopped waiting, or if it's some parameter within the offer that the client didn't like |
| 19:38.20 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mp3 |grep -i edit |
| 19:38.28 | [jj] | wyzard: but this exact config worked yesterdat |
| 19:38.39 | Wyzard | [jj]: but the router in question runs embedded Linux so it might be using the same DHCP server software we're dealing with here |
| 19:38.39 | [jj] | wyzard: ant that's a bit frustrating atm :) |
| 19:38.45 | [jj] | mmm |
| 19:38.49 | [jj] | good point |
| 19:39.03 | Wyzard | [jj]: Anyway, the server is working properly, returning an offer in response to the discover |
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| 19:39.20 | Wyzard | [jj]: Your problem is the client ignoring the offer, so if the client is a Mac, you should try a Mac channel |
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| 19:39.53 | simonrvn | Zizzling: why would i want to have someone else's web site taken down? they aren't harassing me, or violating my rights in any way.... it's just a very common name in this part of the world. that's not a reason to have a site taken down |
| 19:40.00 | Wyzard | (or you could try a machine running Debian as the client, and see whether that gets an address...) |
| 19:40.17 | jetscreamer | so what is this website |
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| 19:40.46 | jetscreamer | is there some kind of massive days of our lives shit going on here??? :) |
| 19:40.58 | Zizzling | simonrvn: Ok, enough now :) |
| 19:41.02 | [jj] | wyzard: I'm currently looking for a debian cd for mac hardware, one of those run-from-cd things |
| 19:41.06 | [jj] | see if that works |
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| 19:41.44 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: some dude has the same first and last name my legal name is, and some morons thought that was me, and accused me of all sorts of BS |
| 19:41.44 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: pretty much yes |
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| 19:42.19 | jetscreamer | there he is!!! |
| 19:42.22 | simonrvn | now, if you don't mind, i'm going to add a plonk |
| 19:42.31 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 19:42.45 | Wyzard | [jj]: Ubuntu has both PPC and x86 liveCDs, or you could just use Debian's install CDs (just to get to the "configure networking" step, without actually installing) |
| 19:43.00 | Zizzling | jetscreamer: ms gold partner kinda thing. |
| 19:43.22 | Zizzling | jetscreamer: Pretty nasty if its not true, which i dont believe |
| 19:43.36 | [jj] | wyzrd: good one |
| 19:43.52 | [jj] | wyzard: am currently downloading the ubuntu x86 livecd |
| 19:43.59 | jetscreamer | so i shouldn't admit to being an ms partner then |
| 19:44.03 | [jj] | but never thought of the setup cd option |
| 19:44.14 | simonrvn | now, you look at that other dude, he looks like a settler type (european descent); i don't ;) |
| 19:44.33 | Wyzard | [jj]: yep, and the netinst CD is quicker to download than Ubuntu :-) |
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| 19:46.06 | [jj] | hehe |
| 19:46.18 | [jj] | 12mbit down, speed is not too much of an issue |
| 19:46.20 | [jj] | :) |
| 19:46.59 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: not on a linux channel or network, no ;p |
| 19:47.03 | yigal | i can't get glx to work using startx and I need it because pptview uses wine which uses glx to view a stupid power point pres. can someone help me get glx working on my sys? |
| 19:47.24 | Wyzard | [jj]: I always use torrents (where available) for downloading CD images, so I can seed to a ratio of 100% or better |
| 19:47.29 | yigal | or at least point me in the right direction |
| 19:47.32 | Nielsen | yigal: which graphics card do you have? |
| 19:47.33 | wols_ | yigal: whast X driver? |
| 19:47.47 | Wyzard | [jj]: that way I can be a benefit rather than a burden to the distribution system |
| 19:47.54 | jetscreamer | isn't there a powerpoint viewer in sources? or am i hallucinating |
| 19:48.13 | yigal | the graphics card is GeForce FX 5200 rev a1 and I am using NVIDIA |
| 19:48.17 | yigal | driver |
| 19:48.25 | jetscreamer | oh that's it |
| 19:48.32 | simonrvn | yeh, i think that's it... there's some ooo2txt stuff too, but kinda pointless for stupid ppt files |
| 19:48.44 | Wyzard | yigal: If you're using nVidia's proprietary driver then you should have GLX already |
| 19:48.57 | simonrvn | ...if set up properly |
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| 19:49.06 | Wyzard | if set up at all |
| 19:49.07 | yigal | simonrvn: I don't like OOo I want to use the much smaller pptview if possible |
| 19:49.17 | Wyzard | The same package that provides the xorg driver also provides their libGL |
| 19:49.20 | yigal | Wyzard: yes, but I have errors upon going into X |
| 19:49.34 | Wyzard | yigal: Oh, you can't start X at all? |
| 19:49.39 | simonrvn | you don't install ooo for the ooo2txt, it's a separate thing |
| 19:49.44 | yigal | Wyzard: no X works perfectly |
| 19:49.49 | [jj] | wyzard: mmm, never thought of that either |
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| 19:50.01 | jetscreamer | you have to use nvidia not nv for 3d |
| 19:50.07 | yigal | simonrvn: so I can convert the ppt to text using ooo2txt? |
| 19:50.13 | [jj] | wyzard: otoh: my isp has a pretty good local mirror, so it's not so much of a burden really |
| 19:50.15 | Wyzard | yigal: What errors, then? |
| 19:50.16 | jetscreamer | i'm using a 5200 atm |
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| 19:50.22 | simonrvn | yigal: dunno, haven't tried it for that yet =) |
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| 19:50.33 | Wyzard | [jj]: That's not bad either |
| 19:50.42 | benny_ | it's me again -- after updating to "testing" i'm not able to load the nvidia module :( |
| 19:51.08 | Nielsen | benny_: did you install the nvidia kernel? |
| 19:51.15 | benny_ | Nielsen: ? |
| 19:51.20 | benny_ | Nielsen: it worked before :( |
| 19:51.24 | yigal | http://pastebin.com/m4d943727 |
| 19:51.28 | Wyzard | [jj]: I just download the CDs when they're released and then keep them around on one of my own systems in case I need them later... I have 85GB of CD/DVD images for free operating systems |
| 19:51.36 | yigal | Wyzard: sorry the above is for you |
| 19:51.53 | Nielsen | benny, apt-cache search nvidia-kernel |
| 19:52.01 | Wyzard | yigal: That sounds like you don't have the kernel module installed |
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| 19:52.16 | Wyzard | !tell yigal about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:52.19 | benny_ | I made the module using module-assistant and it compiled and installed correctl |
| 19:52.32 | yigal | Wyzard: ok, I will attempt to install, compile etc. and see if it works - makes sense what you have said |
| 19:52.36 | jetscreamer | nvidia-glx |
| 19:52.44 | benny_ | only xorg says that it doesn't exist |
| 19:52.44 | Nielsen | Wyzard: give benny_ that line too |
| 19:53.08 | benny_ | Wyzard: no need to, if you read my messages -- I compiled and installed it correctly |
| 19:53.23 | Wyzard | benny_: You compiled and installed your wireless driver, you mean |
| 19:53.35 | benny_ | Wyzard: no, I'm back at my old kernel |
| 19:53.39 | Wyzard | benny_: You also need to use module-assistant to build any other out-of-tree modules you use, like the nVidia one |
| 19:53.50 | benny_ | Wyzard: the WLAN drivers do not support 2.6.2* yet |
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| 19:54.06 | benny_ | Wyzard: but the nvidia module stopped working... for some reason xorg doesn't find it |
| 19:54.06 | yigal | Wyzard: be back in a minute, restarting X and crossing fingers |
| 19:54.19 | Wyzard | benny_: oh, nm, I assumed you were the person who was here earlier under the name "benny99", asking about using a wireless driver with a new kernel |
| 19:54.24 | benny_ | Wyzard: modprobe also finds it |
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| 19:54.25 | en1gma | i made installed debian net-install (no X) to a box that has 2 nics...1 for wan that is set to dhcp and 1 for lan that is set to static (in /etc/netwrok/interfaces) i can connect to net with the lan computer if i manually set the internet settings in winxp) |
| 19:54.34 | benny_ | Wyzard: I am |
| 19:54.41 | en1gma | what do i need to do so the linux box issues the windows box an ip |
| 19:54.44 | benny_ | Wyzard: but nvidia did never produce any wireless devices |
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| 19:54.59 | Wyzard | benny_: so your rt2x00 driver won't work with your new kernel? |
| 19:55.00 | benny_ | Wyzard: trade me as a new person |
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| 19:55.07 | benny_ | Wyzard: no |
| 19:55.12 | Wyzard | That sucks |
| 19:55.19 | \amethyst | en1gma: install a DHCP server |
| 19:55.37 | benny_ | Wyzard: INIT_WORK is different -- didn't know exactly how to fix that now, maybe I'll try it again later |
| 19:55.56 | en1gma | \amethyst will it automatically configure itself or do i have to do something to it |
| 19:55.57 | \amethyst | en1gma: dnsmasq supposedly has a lightweight DHCP server, or there's dhcp3-server |
| 19:56.17 | Wyzard | benny_: Anyway, if you want to use the new kernel anyway, you'll need to use module-assistant to rebuild nvidia-kernel and any other out-of-tree modules you may use, aside from the ralink one |
| 19:56.18 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard, benny_ the rt2x00 doesn't support some changes of the recent kernels yet. |
| 19:56.32 | \amethyst | en1gma: I think you'll need to at least tell it what subnet and address range to use |
| 19:56.39 | en1gma | ok thanks |
| 19:56.52 | benny_ | Wyzard: (somebody optimized that macro I guess...) |
| 19:57.00 | benny_ | Wyzard: nah, I want to use it later |
| 19:57.29 | benny_ | Wyzard: better trade me as a new person now, that got a problem with his nvidia-drivers on 2.6.18 which stopped working after "upgrading" to testing |
| 19:57.41 | \amethyst | en1gma: By "it" I mean the dhcp server |
| 19:57.53 | shaula | I don't remember installing clamav anti-virus software to my box. but I see freshclam process working when I look with 'top'. Is there a way to learn with which package it was installed or does it come with debian default? I ve installed my system from netinstall cd with 'minimum' install. |
| 19:57.58 | en1gma | ok |
| 19:58.21 | \amethyst | shaula: dpkg -L `which freshclam` if it's in your PATH |
| 19:58.23 | benny_ | Wyzard: don't want to appear rude, but I'm good at confusing people I guess |
| 19:58.28 | blubberdiblub | benny_: have you tried the -legacy-96xx flavours of the nvidia-kernel-sources and nvidia-glx packages, yet? |
| 19:58.32 | \amethyst | shaula: err, dpkg -S |
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| 19:58.53 | benny_ | blubberdiblub: no, but xorg should find it anyway hm :( ? |
| 19:58.54 | \amethyst | shaula: if it's not in the PATH, find it and dpkg -S /path/to/freshclam |
| 19:58.55 | Wyzard | benny_: Probably what happened is that the nvidia-glx package got upgraded |
| 19:59.09 | \amethyst | shaula: dlocate -S is faster, if you have that installed |
| 19:59.09 | Wyzard | benny_: nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel are a matched set and have to be at the same version |
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| 19:59.40 | benny_ | Wyzard: they are at the same version |
| 19:59.46 | Wyzard | benny_: Your nvidia-kernel-sources would've been upgraded too, to the same version as the new nvidia-glx, so you should use module-assistant to rebuild nvidia-kernel |
| 20:00.01 | Wyzard | benny_: dpkg -s nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` |
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| 20:00.07 | Wyzard | benny_: That's the same version as your nvidia-glx package? |
| 20:00.35 | shaula | dpkg -S 'which freshclam' gives our --> clamav-freshclam: /usr/bin/freshclam |
| 20:00.36 | dpkg | Package: 'which freshclam' gives our --> clamav-freshclam: /usr/bin/freshclam: Status: install ok installed |
| 20:00.40 | blubberdiblub | benny_: for the 5xxx i suggest the legacy-96xx flavours. i got 5xxx and 6xxx cards here, and the 96xx packages seem to be the correct ones for me |
| 20:01.12 | Wyzard | nVidia's legacy driver is for cards which aren't supported by the "main" driver |
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| 20:01.22 | Wyzard | I haven't heard of any cards being supported by both |
| 20:01.49 | shaula | \amethyst, I donno what it means. shows the path and its installed. the problem is I donno how it was installed. probably came with some other package |
| 20:01.58 | benny_ | Wyzard: I got a 420mx (old) -- aptitude says that they are at the sam eversion |
| 20:02.22 | Wyzard | benny_: What version? |
| 20:03.40 | benny_ | 1.0.8776-4 |
| 20:03.41 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard, benny_: ah, sorry, i'm using sid packages. never mind what i've said |
| 20:03.49 | Wyzard | benny_: Actually, the nVidia stuff isn't in testing, only stable and unstable, so your upgrade to testing shouldn't have upgraded the driver at all |
| 20:03.59 | Wyzard | benny_: yeah, that's etch's version, which is to be expected |
| 20:04.10 | benny_ | blubberdiblub: ups, sorry, that MX420 (old) belonged to you :p |
| 20:04.29 | benny_ | Wyzard: yep, but certainly xorg |
| 20:04.38 | benny_ | Wyzard: and the new xorg appears to dislike something |
| 20:04.40 | Wyzard | benny_: So, what happens now when you try to start X? |
| 20:04.42 | blubberdiblub | benny_: hmm? i'm not getting it, sorry |
| 20:04.58 | Wyzard | benny_: Newer xorg versions should still be able to load the existing driver |
| 20:05.35 | benny_ | Wyzard: (II) Module already built-in (2 times) and (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist) |
| 20:05.45 | Wyzard | benny_: (btw, be aware that in the future, when you upgrade to a newer version of the driver, you will need to switch to the "legacy" driver) |
| 20:05.51 | benny_ | blubberdiblub: gnah, wasn't important anyway ;9 |
| 20:06.10 | Wyzard | benny_: The first is harmless, and the second sounds like it's saying it couldn't load the kernel module |
| 20:06.15 | Wyzard | benny_: Can you "modprobe nvidia" ? |
| 20:06.21 | benny_ | Wyzard: yep |
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| 20:06.54 | Wyzard | benny_: Are there any messages in the log that begin with "(II) NVIDIA" ? |
| 20:07.40 | shaula | ok I found out clamav probably came with dansguardian. I remember a line about anti-virus software in its configuration file, and checked it again it comes with it |
| 20:07.57 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard, benny_: ah, now i see your problem. Xorg doesn't support .o style object files anymore. and i think (check dpkg -L) the older nvidia drivers still have .o xorg modules :/ |
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| 20:08.16 | Wyzard | hmm, that'd do it |
| 20:08.33 | benny_ | Wyzard: no, a "could not open module" warning |
| 20:08.34 | Wyzard | so maybe he needs to install the newer driver from unstable (and switch to the legacy driver at the same time) |
| 20:08.57 | Wyzard | benny_: blubberdiblub may be right, then -- it's failing to load the xorg driver itself |
| 20:09.15 | Wyzard | benny_: Look in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers, and see whether there's an nvidia_drv.o or nvidia_drv.so |
| 20:09.44 | benny_ | Wyzard: it's .ko, just looked it up |
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| 20:09.59 | Wyzard | benny_: In /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers ? |
| 20:10.00 | benny_ | Wyzard: uh, wait a sec |
| 20:10.03 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard, benny_: well, i just recalled that that was exactly the reason why i upgraded to the sid packages |
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| 20:10.05 | Wyzard | There shouldn't be any .ko file there |
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| 20:10.17 | blubberdiblub | benny_: no, i was talking about the xorg module, not the kernel module |
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| 20:10.29 | mot | what does 'error 302 found' mean when trying to apt-get stuff? |
| 20:10.41 | benny_ | Wyzard: yep, just a *.o |
| 20:10.49 | benny_ | blubberdiblub: yep, just a *.o |
| 20:10.51 | streuner_ | mot: BS |
| 20:11.03 | mot | well it won't apt-get the software. so...what now? |
| 20:11.03 | benny_ | why did they stop supporting *.o :< ?... |
| 20:11.06 | Wyzard | benny_: sounds like you need to install the nvidia driver from sid, then |
| 20:11.06 | streuner_ | mot: paste the whole error in pasterbot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 20:11.27 | benny_ | Wyzard: sorry, but "why" ? |
| 20:11.36 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard, benny_: which would require you to go for the legacy-96xx then ... |
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| 20:11.49 | Wyzard | benny_: Your current nvidia-glx package has the driver compiled in an older format that xorg doesn't support anymore, so the new xorg is unable to load the driver |
| 20:11.49 | blubberdiblub | (and only then) |
| 20:11.58 | streuner_ | mot: btw, i never saw this error, so it would be interesting... |
| 20:12.07 | Wyzard | benny_: The newer nvidia driver is compiled in the newer format so xorg can load it |
| 20:12.23 | benny_ | Wyzard: and that the newer is called "legacy" ? |
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| 20:13.03 | Wyzard | benny_: No, that's a separate issue; nVidia dropped support for your card in the newer versions of their unified driver, and they provide a separate "legacy" driver for older hardware instead |
| 20:13.06 | blubberdiblub | benny_: the newer nvidia-glx (and kernel thingy) the non-legacy-flavour, that is, don't support 5xxx and 6xxx (and older) cards anymore |
| 20:13.06 | Shisui | Nitro tha CiMien |
| 20:13.18 | mot | anybody know what the 302 error is with apt get? |
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| 20:13.22 | Wyzard | benny_: Debian has packages for both the regular and the legacy driver, so you just need to install the legacy one |
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| 20:13.31 | streuner_ | mot: just do what i told you |
| 20:13.46 | benny_ | Wyzard: blubberdiblub: understood :) |
| 20:13.57 | simonrvn | crap, my irssi locked up for "no reason" |
| 20:14.04 | streuner_ | mot: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:14.13 | benny_ | Wyzard: blubberdiblub: thanks once again |
| 20:14.16 | Wyzard | benny_: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 20:14.20 | Wyzard | benny_: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-legacy-source |
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| 20:14.47 | jonathan_ | How can I tell what io/irq resources my nic is using? No using KDE or Gnome, command line please |
| 20:14.51 | Wyzard | benny_: Remove your current nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-source, and nvidia-kernel-`uname -r` packages, install these two again, and use module-assistant to build the nvidia-kernel-legacy module |
| 20:14.54 | benny_ | Wyzard: must I use the unstable? |
| 20:15.31 | Wyzard | benny_: Yes, for some reason the nVidia packages aren't in testing currently (otherwise you'd have gotten these new versions automatically when you did your testing upgrade) |
| 20:15.38 | mot | libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared Libraries |
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| 20:15.56 | sputnick | hi there |
| 20:16.05 | mot | there's no point in pasting the error - the entire error is just what i said - after each package i try to apt-get it just says "302 Found" and at the end it says unable to fetch archives. |
| 20:16.18 | blubberdiblub | benny_: only get the two offending packages from unstable. leave everything else in place ;) |
| 20:16.22 | benny_ | Wyzard: hm, I got legacy packages here |
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| 20:16.35 | benny_ | blubberdiblub: :D |
| 20:16.39 | Wyzard | benny_: oh, hang on, looks like you should use nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx and nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source -- follow the dependency links from those two pages I pasted |
| 20:16.46 | floundering | hi, how do I $> grep -r -l '\xFF\xEC\x00' ./ (searching files for a hex string)? |
| 20:16.52 | joefsoD | Should we be worried about our social life? |
| 20:17.06 | Shisui | Nitro tha CiMien |
| 20:17.09 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: hmm? i don't think so. the 96xx are fine here, too |
| 20:17.12 | streuner_ | mot: care to paste the (whole) error? and sources.list? |
| 20:17.21 | benny_ | Wyzard: console only and no lynx,w3m whatever at the moment --- can't I just install them? |
| 20:17.29 | sputnick | I'm looking for an amd64 version of libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2. on http://packages.debian.org and apt-get, I don't find this one. Could someone tell me where I can find it ? Is anybody knows why amd64 is not supported ? |
| 20:17.37 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: well, nvidia-glx-legacy is a dummy package which depends on nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx; likewise for the kernel-source one |
| 20:18.20 | joefsoD | Should we be worried about our social life? |
| 20:18.30 | Wyzard | joefsoD: Should we be worried about trolls? |
| 20:18.31 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: well, you don't have to use the dependency/dummy package. go directly for 96xx. the dummy package you're referring to might be from some other repo than sid, maybe? |
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| 20:18.38 | joefsoD | Wyzard, if you have no life, yes. |
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| 20:18.48 | mot | nm i got it |
| 20:18.52 | mot | my static ip was 1 octet off |
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| 20:19.04 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: Sounds reasonable... I have no experience with the legacy packages so I just looked at what the dummy package pointed to |
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| 20:19.44 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard, benny_: well, as i said, i'm using the legacy-96xx packages here (successfully) for my 5xxx and 6xxx cards |
| 20:19.52 | Wyzard | benny_: blubberdiblub says you should use http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source |
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| 20:20.11 | benny_ | Wyzard: ok, thanks :) |
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| 20:21.26 | blubberdiblub | benny_: and some other note ... Xorg changed the module loading/disabling semantics of the config file a bit in recent versions. the nvidia readme tells to comment out or remove the DRI line. that doesn't hold anymore. now you have to explicitly disable loading of that xorg module |
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| 20:22.17 | benny_ | blubberdiblub: thanks |
| 20:22.43 | blubberdiblub | benny_: i'm referring to the line saying Load "dri" in xorg.conf (or missing, if you removed it). now it needs to say Disable "dri" in the Section "Module" |
| 20:22.49 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: I've seen directions saying to comment out the Load "glx" line and stuff like that, but I don't think it's actually necessary |
| 20:23.06 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: I have Load "glx" and no Disable "dri" (though no Load "dri" either) and nVidia works fine |
| 20:23.19 | benny_ | Wyzard: now that debian.packages.org line is gone :( |
| 20:23.21 | Wyzard | no, wait, I do have Load "dri" |
| 20:23.28 | yigal | Wyzard: i don't get it I am still having the same error although I used m-a to install benny_ so we have the same problem |
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| 20:23.41 | Wyzard | benny_: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source |
| 20:23.44 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: well, i've seen the nvidia driver complain if not disabled ... but ymmv |
| 20:23.47 | benny_ | thanks, sorry |
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| 20:24.37 | yigal | Wyzard: glx isn't working I have these packages installed http://pastebin.com/m421d23ec |
| 20:24.38 | en1gma | im setting up that dhcp server and something isnt right...im having to give it a "real" dns ext ip address....when before i thought i told it an internal ip and it would still give that to a computer on the lan |
| 20:24.40 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: been using nVidia's driver for years in sid, upgrading through many versions, and never had a problem with that |
| 20:24.44 | infinity0 | does debian have software that can play mp3/mp4 files? |
| 20:24.57 | en1gma | i dont ever remember giving the dhcp server a real dns server address |
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| 20:25.21 | en1gma | even in a tutorial i was following says to set it to 192.168.1.104 |
| 20:25.23 | Nielsen | !tell infinity0 about vlc |
| 20:25.32 | benny_ | get 404... |
| 20:25.32 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: i'll reinvestigate that when i have the chance :) |
| 20:25.55 | yigal | if I want to reinstall nvidia everything how should I go about it? |
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| 20:26.10 | infinity0 | Nielsen: uh... i didn't get any useful information out of that |
| 20:26.22 | blubberdiblub | (or maybe i just fiddle a bit to have that chance now ;) |
| 20:26.32 | benny_ | oh.. irssi is able to scroll |
| 20:27.03 | infinity0 | Nielsen: oh nvmd, cheers for that :) |
| 20:27.23 | Nielsen | infinity0: okay then. the media player VLC can pretty much play any format |
| 20:27.24 | en1gma | i have eth0 (wan connection) set to dhcp....i have eth1 (lan connection) set to static 192.168.10.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 && dhcp server is running on 192.168.10.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 bcast 192.168.10.255 what is the dns server supposed to be |
| 20:27.31 | yigal | do I have to tell startx to load glx ? |
| 20:27.37 | benny_ | get 404 anyway... |
| 20:27.42 | yigal | excuse me, should I have to? |
| 20:28.05 | infinity0 | Nielsen: can i pm you? |
| 20:28.08 | petemc | en1gma: which network do you want the dns server to respond to queries from? |
| 20:28.16 | Wyzard | yigal: You seem to have all the necessary packages installed |
| 20:28.19 | Nielsen | infinity0: sure, if you think it will help |
| 20:28.39 | Wyzard | yigal: You pasted a log earlier from xorg, with the nvidia driver saying it was unable to load the GLX module, right? |
| 20:28.50 | yigal | Wyzard: yes |
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| 20:29.02 | Wyzard | yigal: Do you have a Load "glx" line in your xorg.conf? |
| 20:29.07 | en1gma | petemc im not sure |
| 20:29.07 | marcelo_ | hi guys ive pieced together (didnt have mirc logs) my attempt at connecting to the internet through an internet cafe. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2878043#post2878043 |
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| 20:29.21 | petemc | en1gma: what do you want the dns server to do? |
| 20:29.34 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: I notice that nvidia-glx contains a /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so -- I wonder if Load "glx" is actually necessary these days, to load nVidia's customized GLX implementation |
| 20:29.45 | marcelo_ | Wyzard granted it isnt full and complete but I think it should surfice |
| 20:29.58 | en1gma | i want it to work...so when i type a url on the lan computer it goes through eth1 then through eth0 then to the external net |
| 20:30.08 | yigal | Wyzard: I do, but I had commented it out, then uncommented it, should #/etc/init.d/x11-common reload change xorg conf settings? - actually I rebooted, and it still doesn't work :( |
| 20:30.15 | benny_ | *switches to graphics* |
| 20:30.46 | Wyzard | yigal: No, I don't think that script is supposed to change your xorg config |
| 20:30.47 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: well, when it loads a module called "glx" at all, it will load the nvidia version anyways, because the package made sure that the xorg gets nvidia's file in place of the standard glx |
| 20:30.57 | Wyzard | yigal: Does /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so exist on your system? |
| 20:31.00 | petemc | en1gma: then having it listen on a 192.168.10.N address |
| 20:31.15 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: and no, the Load "glx" isn't needed anymore. it's loaded automatically anyways |
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| 20:31.17 | petemc | en1gma: the default config of bind9 should work out of the box for your needs |
| 20:31.25 | marcelo_ | here you go Wyzard http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2878043#post2878043 |
| 20:31.35 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: OK, so it's not necessary but not harmful either |
| 20:31.41 | yigal | Wyzard: yes |
| 20:31.44 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: exactly |
| 20:31.46 | en1gma | the ip range i set for the dhcp for eth1 which is 192.168.10.0 is 192.168.10.100 - 192.168.10.100 |
| 20:31.59 | en1gma | where do i put the dns servers address |
| 20:32.07 | petemc | en1gma: are you running a dns server? |
| 20:32.16 | en1gma | i dont kwno |
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| 20:32.21 | en1gma | im setting up dhcp |
| 20:32.25 | yigal | Wyzard: it is a symbolic link to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so.1.0.8776 |
| 20:32.28 | en1gma | and it asks for the dns server |
| 20:32.35 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: just make sure you don't have a line saying Load "GLcore" there by accident ... it doesn't like that |
| 20:32.37 | petemc | en1gma: which dhcpd? |
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| 20:32.56 | en1gma | i want the dhcp for eth1 (lan) to get the dns server from the eth0 (wan) dhcp |
| 20:32.57 | Kervan | Hi. I want to use iceweasel as firefox. I need to enter this site www.9ve9.net . But site accepts only firefox. How can I use Firefox on debian? I can not intall it with apt-get? |
| 20:33.09 | en1gma | on eth1 (lan) its running dhcp3 |
| 20:33.11 | yigal | Wyzard: I am wondering if someone tried to install the driver, using the NVIDIA executable |
| 20:33.16 | Wyzard | yigal: Check that you're not loading GLcore as blubberdiblub just mentioned, but other than that, I don't know |
| 20:33.23 | petemc | en1gma: i think installing dnsmasq would do all you need |
| 20:33.36 | Wyzard | yigal: Don't use nVidia's installer... that changes things in ways the package system doesn't expect |
| 20:33.40 | en1gma | do i need to uninstall dhcp3 |
| 20:33.44 | marcelo_ | Wyzard do you think that is nough dtat for you to diagnose the problem ? |
| 20:33.56 | Wyzard | blubberdiblub: I *think* I've seen Load "GLcore" with no ill effects, but I'm not sure |
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| 20:34.03 | benny99 | Wyzard, could you send that link again? |
| 20:34.04 | yigal | Wyzard: Its not me, but I think someone tried to use it |
| 20:34.13 | petemc | en1gma: i think that might be best, dnsmasq was built for pretty much exactly your needs |
| 20:34.32 | en1gma | i was just thinking....is this where i should be bridged |
| 20:34.41 | en1gma | eth1 and eth0 so it gives all the info to lan |
| 20:35.00 | yigal | Wyzard: no Glcore, could you tell me what /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so is a symbolic link to? |
| 20:35.11 | petemc | en1gma: dnsmasq should pick up the nameservers in resolv.conf that are set by the dhcp from eth0, and pass that on to clients on eth1 |
| 20:35.24 | yigal | Wyzard: if you have nvidia installed on your system now |
| 20:35.26 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: sure, maybe. it may just be me detesting loading modules that don't get used ;) and yes, you're right, Load "dri" doesn't seem to hurt, either. but same thing, as i don't need it with the nvidia drivers ... *g* |
| 20:35.33 | benny99 | Wyzard, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/X11/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx does not work |
| 20:35.34 | en1gma | would i still need dhcp3 running on eth1 so it gives out the ip to lan |
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| 20:35.40 | Wyzard | yigal: libglx.so.100.14.11 in my case, but that's because I'm using a newer version of the driver than you are (the current one in sid) |
| 20:35.49 | petemc | en1gma: no, dnsmasq does that |
| 20:35.55 | en1gma | omg :) |
| 20:36.08 | en1gma | brb got to take dog pee pee |
| 20:36.09 | en1gma | brb |
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| 20:36.19 | Wyzard | benny99: lowercase 'X' |
| 20:36.22 | Wyzard | benny99: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 20:36.38 | benny99 | thanks |
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| 20:37.40 | blubberdiblub | Wyzard: may be my habit to save every single byte (RAM wise) i can ;) |
| 20:38.35 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, so you have an ipw3945, and you've installed the driver... you mentioned some kbuild issues so I'm not sure whether you got that resolved, but you apparently have the card showing up in ifconfig so I'm guessing you did |
| 20:38.40 | benny99 | Wyzard, could you send that guide also again? I'm sorry... I dunno why I didn't simply use "nv" before... |
| 20:38.53 | Wyzard | benny99: The "nv" driver doesn't support accelerated 3D |
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| 20:39.22 | Nuxis | how can I finf the mac adres from my wireless card? |
| 20:39.24 | benny99 | Wyzard, yep, but I got graphics... was using text only before |
| 20:39.33 | Wyzard | benny99: You can satisfy your request on your own, though: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:39.33 | petemc | Nuxis: ifconfig |
| 20:39.46 | Nuxis | petemc: and where exactly is it? |
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| 20:39.57 | marcelo_ | Wyzard kbuild is requird by the kernal header . but it wont install hence the attempt to connect to the internet through ethernet and use apt get. |
| 20:40.18 | petemc | Nuxis: in the output of that command, hwaddr |
| 20:40.23 | RichiH | can i savely upgrade screen while i have open sessions? even from within screen? |
| 20:40.43 | petemc | via aptitude? |
| 20:40.44 | Nuxis | ok tnx |
| 20:40.45 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, dependency issues, makes sense... did you get those other packages installed eventually? |
| 20:40.45 | marcelo_ | Wyzard the part on connecting through th cafe should bring you up to date with where i am |
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| 20:41.09 | petemc | RichiH: i run upgrades within screen all the time, so aye |
| 20:42.09 | Wyzard | marcelo_: so you have a wired connection and you're trying to get online with that? Or you've successfully gotten online with the wired connection? |
| 20:42.16 | marcelo_ | i could install the fw but as the articles i found say you need the kernal headers in there first then the rest follows. but i gave up on trying to get kbuild to work although ive posted bug reports. its the connection through the internet cafe which is the problem right now |
| 20:42.38 | hark | marcelo_: you don't need the headers |
| 20:42.57 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You only need the headers if you're building the modules package with module-assistant |
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| 20:43.08 | en1gma | ok i back |
| 20:43.11 | Wyzard | marcelo_: If you're running stable, there's a pre-built modules package for stable's kernel, so you don't need to do that |
| 20:43.15 | en1gma | think ill look at that dnsmasq |
| 20:43.26 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That's the ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 package that's mentioned elsewhere in your post |
| 20:43.46 | hark | petemc: upgrading screen itself? |
| 20:43.51 | marcelo_ | ive tried the modules but as i say in the post the card dosent get recognised |
| 20:43.53 | petemc | hark: of course |
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| 20:44.25 | hark | marcelo_: did you install the firmware, the daemon? |
| 20:44.25 | petemc | hark: one would presume you're not using the new screen until you restart screen,, |
| 20:44.26 | marcelo_ | hark wyzard so i tried the manual install. |
| 20:44.48 | benny99 | *never touch a running system*... so true |
| 20:44.50 | marcelo_ | yeah |
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| 20:45.08 | marcelo_ | i had to go the manual route which has worked before |
| 20:45.35 | hark | marcelo_: what happens if you do a modprobe ipw3945? |
| 20:45.54 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You couldn't use the pre-built ipw3945-modules package? |
| 20:46.03 | Wyzard | marcelo_: (What does "uname -r" say?) |
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| 20:46.37 | hark | petemc: ok, just that i couldn't attach back to a session after an upgrade, so i'm always wary ;) |
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| 20:47.31 | marcelo_ | when i try to use the modules it installs but the card still doesnt get recognised |
| 20:47.36 | petemc | i do everything within screen, seems very robust to me |
| 20:47.37 | blubberdiblub | benny99: the nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx won't install without building the *kernel-legacy-96xx* from the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source via m-a first, right? well, do the latter first |
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| 20:47.53 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, right |
| 20:48.07 | marcelo_ | my post explains that right ? |
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| 20:48.41 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Take this one step at a time... if "modprobe ipw3945" works then you have the modules installed correctly; if not, we need to look into the module setup |
| 20:48.45 | marcelo_ | are you saying that my card isnt recognised because im missing some other software |
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| 20:49.14 | marcelo_ | ok two secs |
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| 20:50.37 | marcelo_ | ok when i modprobe i get an error . Fatal error inserting ipw3945 ....snipped |
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| 20:50.57 | marcelo_ | which is why it wasnt getting recognised i take |
| 20:51.00 | hark | marcelo_: check dmesg |
| 20:51.25 | sayers | is there a way I can set it up so that If I press Function F I get G? |
| 20:51.46 | testergg | wols_: I couldn't get the hard disk to boot, so if I tar all the files from the old hard disk to my new hard disk is there away not to overwrite the kernel ? what would be the best way to copy using tar? |
| 20:51.56 | marcelo_ | hark ipw3945 unknown symbol ieee ....snipped |
| 20:52.26 | Wyzard | marcelo_: ieee80211? |
| 20:52.36 | benny99 | gnah.... |
| 20:52.41 | Wyzard | marcelo_: What happens if you "modprobe ieee80211" ? |
| 20:52.58 | blubberdiblub | benny99: what's up? |
| 20:53.02 | marcelo_ | wyzard yes |
| 20:53.10 | testergg | or anyone at all :) |
| 20:53.14 | hark | marcelo_: did you try to compile it before? |
| 20:53.24 | Wyzard | marcelo_: (ieee80211 is the core support for all forms of IEEE 802.11 wireless networking) |
| 20:53.26 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, nothing works... |
| 20:53.47 | marcelo_ | wyzard "module not found " |
| 20:53.49 | blubberdiblub | benny99: a bit more specific, please ;) how far did you get? when did it fail? |
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| 20:54.02 | Wyzard | marcelo_: hmm... that module is a standard part of the kernel and should be present already |
| 20:54.07 | hark | reinstall your linux-image |
| 20:54.09 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, do not really know... I build the nvidia-kernel-legacy-source |
| 20:54.13 | benny99 | and got a new package |
| 20:54.14 | Wyzard | marcelo_: What kernel version are you running? ("uname -r") |
| 20:54.35 | blubberdiblub | benny99: no, build the nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-source |
| 20:54.45 | marcelo_ | wyzard 2.6.18-4686 |
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| 20:55.22 | benny99 | ah, forgot that legac |
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| 20:55.56 | Wyzard | marcelo_: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko should exist... if it doesn't, it may have gotten removed accidentally during one of your earlier attempts at compiling drivers |
| 20:56.11 | Wyzard | marcelo_: hark is right, you should reinstall your kernel package |
| 20:56.22 | benny99 | sorry for being such a noob -- used gentoo before and I all I was telling emerge what to install.. but had to wait hours then... |
| 20:56.34 | blubberdiblub | benny99: if you get stuck some times more, you might be able to talk me into making up a one-liner for that task ;) |
| 20:56.40 | Wyzard | marcelo_: and there's been a security update to the kernel anyway -- 2.6.18-5-686 is the current one, so just do an apt upgrade and that'll get installed |
| 20:56.56 | blubberdiblub | benny99: no need to be sorry. nvidia can be a pain in the ass, admittedly |
| 20:57.19 | marcelo_ | Wyzard ok let me check |
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| 20:57.29 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, yeah -- but I guess the debian-people should find a way to support that thingy better anyway |
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| 20:57.49 | marcelo_ | Wyzard i dont have the ability to do an apt get no internetr |
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| 20:58.26 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, maybe one day |
| 20:58.26 | blubberdiblub | benny99: true, and on nvidia's side, there should be better support for the open source community, which would resolve some problems as well |
| 20:58.29 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Well, you need to reinstall your kernel package anyway, so unless you still have the .deb for linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 in your /var/cache/apt/archives, you'll need to download it |
| 20:58.37 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, yeah, maybe |
| 20:58.47 | Wyzard | marcelo_: might as well download the updated one while you're at it |
| 20:59.00 | hark | marcelo_: for now just reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, once you get your wireless working you can upgrade your kernel. |
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| 20:59.13 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, must I module-assistant that glx-legacy package also? |
| 20:59.29 | Wyzard | benny99: No, that's not a kernel module |
| 20:59.30 | blubberdiblub | benny99: nope |
| 20:59.34 | benny99 | ok |
| 20:59.44 | benny99 | so dpkg -i is enough there? |
| 21:00.10 | hark | marcelo_: or if you want to upgrade it now, download the newer ipw3945 module for the 2.6.18-5 kernel as well |
| 21:00.12 | blubberdiblub | benny99: install the resulting nvidia-kernel-legacy-96xx-<yourkernelversion>, and then install nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 21:00.27 | blubberdiblub | benny99: yes |
| 21:00.28 | benny99 | ok, thanks :) |
| 21:00.48 | Wyzard | benny99: module-assistant is for building kernel modules from source code (in packages generally named like "foo-source") into kernel-version-specific binary packages (foo-2.6.18-4-686 or whatever) |
| 21:01.25 | marcelo_ | ok /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko exists! |
| 21:01.36 | benny99 | ok, I hope it works ;) |
| 21:01.41 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, now modprobe ipw3945 again, and hopefully it'll load this time |
| 21:01.46 | benny99 | bye for the next minute |
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| 21:03.05 | marcelo_ | Wyzard nope "unknown symbol in module or unknown parameter (see dmesg)" |
| 21:03.14 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 21:03.32 | Wyzard | and what does dmesg say? |
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| 21:04.01 | marcelo_ | unknown symbol ieee802....snipped |
| 21:04.27 | Wyzard | Can you modprobe ieee80211 manually? |
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| 21:05.04 | marcelo_ | Wyzard manually ? |
| 21:05.15 | Wyzard | Just run "modprobe ieee80211" and see if that succeeds |
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| 21:06.28 | marcelo_ | Wyzard "module not found " |
| 21:06.28 | Wyzard | Run "depmod -ae" |
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| 21:06.34 | Wyzard | which should make modprobe "notice" that ieee80211 is now available |
| 21:06.44 | Wyzard | and print some informative warnings if there's still anything missing |
| 21:06.45 | marcelo_ | wyzard nothing returns |
| 21:06.51 | Wyzard | ok, good |
| 21:06.55 | Wyzard | try loading iee80211 again |
| 21:07.05 | marcelo_ | mod? |
| 21:07.16 | Wyzard | modprobe ieee80211 |
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| 21:07.37 | marcelo_ | Wyzard same error as above |
| 21:07.46 | Wyzard | hmm |
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| 21:08.04 | Wyzard | and /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko does exist, and "uname -r" says 2.6.18-4-686? |
| 21:08.15 | marcelo_ | yeah |
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| 21:08.21 | benny99 | works :) |
| 21:08.24 | Wyzard | What does "modinfo ieee80211" say? |
| 21:08.32 | blubberdiblub | benny99: great :) |
| 21:08.51 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, now there's just the "I'm unable to blacklist modules"-problem left |
| 21:08.52 | hark | module not found? |
| 21:08.53 | marcelo_ | wyzard could not find module |
| 21:09.13 | blubberdiblub | benny99: blacklist which modules? xorg ones? |
| 21:09.17 | Wyzard | strange... that should be found now, especially after running depmod |
| 21:09.24 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, no, pcspkr, isdn, hisax |
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| 21:09.44 | hark | marcelo_: hmm, how did you reinstall the image? |
| 21:10.05 | benny99 | hisax loads on every boot -- and is crashing my machine randomly (2/3 of all boots) |
| 21:10.20 | Wyzard | hark: He said the .ko file does exist, in the correct place |
| 21:10.33 | blubberdiblub | benny99: i used to do it in /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/<myfile>, but i'm not sure if that still works in currect debian installs |
| 21:10.56 | benny99 | thanks |
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| 21:11.12 | marcelo_ | does this seem righht /net/ieee80211/softmac/ieee80211/softmac.ko |
| 21:11.16 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, oh noez, they change it on every new version? |
| 21:11.47 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That file should exist too, but it's not the one you need right now |
| 21:11.59 | blubberdiblub | benny99: no. but i think it's not The Right Way anymore. i guess one should use same blacklisting line in modprobe.d now, or something |
| 21:12.19 | marcelo_ | that file is the only one in there if i look into the folder |
| 21:12.21 | benny99 | modprobe.d does not work |
| 21:12.27 | benny99 | it's rolling dices anyway I guess |
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| 21:12.45 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I thought you said /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko exists |
| 21:12.58 | marcelo_ | i reckon ive removedit. there is a sh script that removes the old stack i reckon ive used it |
| 21:13.02 | blubberdiblub | benny99: you mean a line like "blacklist hisax" in /etc/modprobe.d/<yourfile> doesn't work? |
| 21:13.12 | benny99 | no |
| 21:13.13 | hark | ... |
| 21:13.44 | marcelo_ | Wyzard i looked at the fiole in there and didnt thought the softmak was what you was after |
| 21:13.53 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Actually, there shouldn't even be a softmac.ko -- there should be a *directory* called softmac, containing an ieee80211softmac.ko |
| 21:14.02 | sayers | Why do I get segmentation erros when I try and use apt or aptitude? |
| 21:14.08 | blubberdiblub | benny99: hmm ... another thing to consider might be a package installed that insmods the module by itself, or something? |
| 21:14.14 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, <yourfile> is blacklist in my case |
| 21:14.20 | marcelo_ | wyzard yeah thats how it is |
| 21:14.38 | hark | sayers: remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run an update again |
| 21:14.41 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Are you sure you're looking in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686, and not some other directory under /lib/modules? |
| 21:14.45 | marcelo_ | wyzard *directory* called softmac, containing an ieee80211softmac.ko |
| 21:14.49 | blubberdiblub | benny99: well, the filename isn't supposed to matter |
| 21:14.52 | sayers | hark, If that works you are awesome! |
| 21:15.22 | Wyzard | marcelo_: A minute ago you said there's a softmac.ko, and now you're saying there's a softmac/ieee80211.ko... which is it? (Or are there both?) |
| 21:15.24 | blubberdiblub | benny99: but make sure that your /etc/modprobe.conf says "include /etc/modprobe.d" (and only that) |
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| 21:15.51 | marcelo_ | i go to kernel/ net/iee80211/softmac |
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| 21:16.10 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Write the full path, for clarity |
| 21:16.11 | benny99 | I don't got /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 21:16.23 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You mean /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211/softmac, right? |
| 21:16.33 | hark | marcelo_: ls /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-486/kernel/net/ieee80211/ |
| 21:16.45 | blubberdiblub | benny99: echo "include /etc/modprode.d" >/etc/modprobe.conf |
| 21:16.46 | Wyzard | hark: s/486/686/ |
| 21:17.04 | benny99 | and you are sure it's /etc/modprobe.conf ? |
| 21:17.41 | benny99 | I hope it works :) |
| 21:17.49 | marcelo_ | ok lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernal/net/iee80211/softmac |
| 21:17.54 | blubberdiblub | benny99: well, it is here. check: dpkg -L module-init-tools |
| 21:18.08 | blubberdiblub | benny99: you have module-init-tools installed, right? |
| 21:18.24 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, Wyzard, thanks for helping me that much -- without getting mad by stupid questions :) |
| 21:18.37 | marcelo_ | wyzard in softmac directory is only ieee80211softmac.ko |
| 21:18.44 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, got that |
| 21:18.58 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That's right so far -- ieee80211softmac.ko should be the only file in the softmac/ directory |
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| 21:19.09 | hark | marcelo_: that's fine, but what about the parent directory |
| 21:19.22 | blubberdiblub | benny99: your questions aren't stupid |
| 21:19.39 | Wyzard | marcelo_: There should be exactly five files in the ieee80211 directory, though: ieee80211.ko, ieee80211_crypt.ko, ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.ko, ieee80211_crypt_tkip.ko, and ieee80211_crypt_wep.ko |
| 21:19.39 | marcelo_ | hark in the ieee80211 dirctory ? |
| 21:19.45 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, gnah... like asking 3 times for the package-page? that was unnecessary I guess :( |
| 21:19.46 | hark | yes |
| 21:19.55 | Wyzard | marcelo_: alongside that softmac/ subdirectory, those five files should exist, and nothing else |
| 21:19.56 | marcelo_ | hark just the softmak folder |
| 21:20.06 | blubberdiblub | benny99: well, we all have our bad days ;) |
| 21:20.11 | benny99 | ;D |
| 21:20.30 | marcelo_ | i reckon its been removd by the remove -old stack script and didnt load the new stack |
| 21:20.36 | hark | marcelo_: haven't you reinstalled linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 yet? |
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| 21:20.46 | marcelo_ | no |
| 21:21.12 | marcelo_ | hark i wouldnt know how to |
| 21:21.19 | gonzaloaf | where does gnome saves the dvd images? |
| 21:21.35 | marcelo_ | hark you do realise im a newbie |
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| 21:22.02 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Run "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18*.deb" |
| 21:22.07 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Does that show any files? |
| 21:22.42 | yigal | Wyzard: I installed the nvidia driver using there executable glx works now, its not good that I did it but there seemed no other way, it works now |
| 21:22.51 | yigal | s/there/their |
| 21:22.57 | Wyzard | marcelo_: /var/cache/apt/archives is where apt downloads .deb files to; if you haven't cleaned it out recently, you may still have the necessary .deb file there |
| 21:23.02 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Otherwise, you'll need to download it |
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| 21:23.13 | simonrvn | !tell root_ -about root |
| 21:23.31 | marcelo_ | i have the new ieee802 stack . but it wont load because i dont have the headers |
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| 21:23.50 | marcelo_ | th header require kbuild |
| 21:23.53 | marcelo_ | :( |
| 21:24.08 | hark | ok that's it, later. gl |
| 21:24.08 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You don't need a new ieee80211 stack |
| 21:24.15 | Wyzard | You're overcomplicating things by trying to install that |
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| 21:24.50 | Wyzard | What you want to do is put back the ieee80211 modules that come standard with the kernel, and which already work |
| 21:25.17 | marcelo_ | wyzard ok |
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| 21:25.29 | marcelo_ | wyzard how ? |
| 21:25.35 | concept10 | \quit |
| 21:25.36 | simonrvn | pourquoi te compliquer la vie ;) |
| 21:25.49 | simonrvn | concept10: windows user! |
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| 21:26.01 | blubberdiblub | for it is already complicated enough :) |
| 21:26.14 | simonrvn | no kidding =) |
| 21:26.16 | Wyzard | marcelo_: All the standard modules for a kernel come in the same "linux-image" package as the kernel itself |
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| 21:26.25 | marcelo_ | intel say start with the stack im just following thier man |
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| 21:26.33 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That's why you want to reinstall the linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 package -- it'll put those modules back |
| 21:26.37 | simonrvn | concept10: windows user! |
| 21:26.41 | yigal | is there a power point presentation viewer/converter that is open source and has a smaller finger print than OOo impress? |
| 21:26.41 | benny99 | blubberdiblub, Wyzard, I'm gone, have fun anyway ;) |
| 21:26.54 | blubberdiblub | benny99: you too :) |
| 21:26.58 | concept10 | simonrvn: huh? |
| 21:26.59 | marcelo_ | wyzard cant we just do the modules |
| 21:27.04 | simonrvn | yigal: 'footprint' |
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| 21:27.11 | yigal | simonrvn: ty |
| 21:27.13 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Intel's directions are generic directions for a system with a who-knows-how-old kernel that might have an ancient ieee80211 stack, or none at all |
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| 21:27.18 | simonrvn | yigal: yeh, get one of your friends to convert for you ;p |
| 21:27.21 | gonzaloaf | hi, where does nautilus gnome saves the dvd images when you duplicate one? |
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| 21:27.25 | concept10 | what would /dev/sdb1 be in grub? |
| 21:27.27 | simonrvn | yigal: convert it* |
| 21:27.42 | Wyzard | marcelo_: One thing you may need to get used to in the "Linux world" is that a distribution's way of doing things is generally preferable over the vendor's generic way of doing it |
| 21:27.44 | h3sp4wn | concept10: depends what other drives are present |
| 21:28.06 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You need to reinstall the modules, and the modules are in the linux-image package |
| 21:28.15 | yigal | simonrvn: so as far as you are aware, Impress is the best that exists right now? |
| 21:28.24 | simonrvn | yigal: toss it to me, i have ooo installed |
| 21:28.24 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Unless you have backups or something that you can restore from, reinstalling that package is the only way to get them back |
| 21:28.35 | simonrvn | yigal: i have no idea |
| 21:28.36 | concept10 | h3sp4wn I have 1 ide, to satas... im thinking it should be (hd1,1) |
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| 21:28.45 | marcelo_ | Wyzard no back ups |
| 21:28.50 | concept10 | h3sp4wn: two satas i meant |
| 21:28.53 | yigal | simonrvn: no worries, I am using pptview its closed source and uses wine but it works and small |
| 21:29.02 | Octopssy | Anyone know what the best Oracle Database 10g server is for DEBIAN? |
| 21:29.07 | yigal | s/its/it's |
| 21:29.08 | concept10 | I guess I need to do another fdisk -l and see again |
| 21:29.11 | simonrvn | yigal: ok |
| 21:29.26 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Run "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18*.deb" and see whether that lists any files |
| 21:29.41 | marcelo_ | Wyzard ok |
| 21:29.54 | edju | I've lost wifi - wlan0 - no such device. It was here before - where's it hiding? |
| 21:30.08 | blubberdiblub | concept10: it probably maps like hda -> (hd0), sda -> (hd1), sdb (hd2), so you might want (hd2,0) for the first partition, or (hd2,1) for the second. but there might be other factors involved |
| 21:30.16 | h3sp4wn | concept10: It depends there is no hard and fast rule its whatever grub detects it as |
| 21:30.27 | yigal | edju: did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 21:30.44 | marcelo_ | wyzard yah that has brought some stuff up |
| 21:30.51 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: It's not really GRUB "detecting"... it's whatever order the BIOS enumerates the drives in |
| 21:30.56 | concept10 | i hate grubs drive numbering scheme, always have |
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| 21:31.00 | edju | yigal, yes, but i booted into the old one. |
| 21:31.23 | yigal | edju: is it internal or external - is it plugged in? :) |
| 21:31.28 | Wyzard | The BIOS gives each drive (that it detects) a number, and GRUB just uses those numbers, because it uses the BIOS to access the drives |
| 21:31.29 | concept10 | bbl |
| 21:31.40 | Wyzard | marcelo_: One .deb file? Or several? |
| 21:31.42 | marcelo_ | Wyzard so how do reinstall it |
| 21:31.49 | marcelo_ | several |
| 21:32.07 | marcelo_ | 3 |
| 21:32.08 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: The main point that matters is that it is independant of linux's /dev/xxx naming |
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| 21:32.40 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Could you type whatever comes after the 2.6.18 part, for each of the three? |
| 21:32.42 | edju | yigal, it's a lappie with a pcmcia card. |
| 21:32.55 | yigal | edju: are you sure you are using the old kernel? |
| 21:33.06 | yigal | edju: uname -r etc. |
| 21:33.08 | h3sp4wn | Wyzard: How does a bios enumerate them ? |
| 21:33.19 | marcelo_ | Wyzard yah it will take a while |
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| 21:34.41 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: generally it's the drives connected to the chipset's built-in IDE controller, in their natural order (primary channel before secondary, master before slave), followed by drives connected to other add-in controllers, in whatever order they're arranged on the PCI bus |
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| 21:35.00 | marcelo_ | -4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch1_i386.deb |
| 21:35.01 | Wyzard | h3sp4wn: with the exception that whichever drive the BIOS is configured to boot from gets bumped up to the head of the list, so it's always (hda) |
| 21:35.31 | edju | yigal, yep, 2.6.18-4-686, not -5-686 |
| 21:35.56 | marcelo_ | Wyzard -4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.deb |
| 21:36.15 | edju | cd /usr/src |
| 21:36.21 | yigal | edju: have you tried #depmod -a ? |
| 21:36.29 | edju | oops - wrong keyboard |
| 21:36.43 | dvs | marcelo_: So, install that image |
| 21:36.44 | marcelo_ | Wyzard -4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12_i386.deb |
| 21:37.32 | marcelo_ | Wyzard so what do I do next. im not gonna loose a load of data when i do this ? |
| 21:37.46 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, those are three different versions of the package, installed when you did updates |
| 21:37.58 | marcelo_ | i see |
| 21:38.24 | Wyzard | marcelo_: No, you won't lose data -- you'll just be replacing a bunch of system files with identical copies (i.e. most of the modules) and replacing five which are missing (the ieee80211 ones) |
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| 21:38.49 | gonzaloaf | hi, I suspect that nautilus cd-burner has left a temp file somewhere iniside my home, because after I burned a DVD I have like 3G less in my system, is there a way to delete manually that file? |
| 21:38.50 | edju | yigal, oh, wait a minute. soft link in /usr/src has wrong target - it's -5-686. Could that do it? |
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| 21:39.03 | Wyzard | marcelo_: The most recent one is the 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 one, and that's what you're running, but you should double-check by running "dpkg -s linux-image-2.6.18-4-686" and looking at the "Version:" line |
| 21:39.14 | yigal | edju: probably not |
| 21:39.16 | marcelo_ | Wyzard ok |
| 21:39.25 | DustyBin | gonzaloaf: check in /tmp |
| 21:39.25 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Make sure the version shown ends with "12etch2" |
| 21:39.50 | yigal | edju: sounds like you were building the module for the 5 not the 4 so it should exist for both 4 & 5. |
| 21:40.00 | Wyzard | marcelo_: sorry, meant to say "that's what you're *probably* running", hence the double-check :-) |
| 21:40.08 | gonzaloaf | DustyBin, nothing |
| 21:40.20 | yigal | edju: gl, I have to enjoy the beach while its light outside, have a good one |
| 21:41.09 | marcelo_ | Wyzard yeah version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2 |
| 21:41.15 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, good |
| 21:42.08 | Wyzard | marcelo_: To reinstall the package: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-12etch2_i386.deb |
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| 21:43.12 | marcelo_ | Wyzard ok |
| 21:43.46 | CalJohn | I'm having problems with installing nvidia. I already followed dpkg's idea. I know the module is built, and loaded, but xorg can't find it. Is there a way to point xorg at the module? |
| 21:43.50 | DustyBin | gonzaloaf: try using the du command to try and find it |
| 21:44.08 | DustyBin | you might want the -h option on it |
| 21:44.23 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Then look in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211 again and you should see those .ko files |
| 21:45.09 | Nuxis | anyone can look at this http://pastebin.com/m53105571 ath #aircrack there not so helpfull I did both things |
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| 21:46.25 | sayers | hark, I have now an /etc/rc.2/dbus segmation error. |
| 21:46.30 | marcelo_ | Wyzard hang on it didnt install |
| 21:46.36 | Wyzard | marcelo_: error message? |
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| 21:47.08 | marcelo_ | no such file or direstoty im checking typos |
| 21:47.13 | Wyzard | ah |
| 21:47.29 | marcelo_ | .1-12etch2 ? nothing after 12 ? |
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| 21:47.41 | Wyzard | 12etch2 is the one you want |
| 21:47.47 | Wyzard | since that's the version you currently have installed |
| 21:47.54 | marcelo_ | Wyzard I mean a dot or underscore ? |
| 21:47.56 | Wyzard | The others are older versions |
| 21:48.09 | snowbird | got to find a printer |
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| 21:48.35 | darkie33 | i have debian sarge and want to upgrade php4 to php5. is it possible? |
| 21:48.44 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You can use tab completion: type "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.18-4<tab>" |
| 21:48.51 | marcelo_ | two secs checking typos |
| 21:48.53 | Wyzard | marcelo_: It should fill in everything out to the 12 |
| 21:49.00 | Wyzard | marcelo_: type "etch2" and press <tab> again |
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| 21:49.12 | sayers | I get a segmentation fault when I try to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:49.35 | marcelo_ | Wyzard etch2 dont complete |
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| 21:50.45 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You can press <tab> a second time and it'll show you what the possible completions are |
| 21:51.37 | darkie33 | anybody? |
| 21:51.43 | darkie33 | do i need to upgrade to etch? |
| 21:52.13 | Wyzard | darkie33: There are probably unofficial backports of php5 to sarge, but upgrading to etch would be highly preferable |
| 21:52.42 | Wyzard | darkie33: and unofficial backport packages aren't supported here |
| 21:52.48 | marcelo_ | Wyzard the autocompletion dont work |
| 21:53.08 | darkie33 | Wyzard: does this mean the downloads will be huge? i have a kind of slow connection. |
| 21:53.09 | deadcat | darkie33: time to upgrade to etch. sarge is old stable |
| 21:53.11 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Well, just look at the filenames and type carefully |
| 21:53.40 | Wyzard | darkie33: You can download and burn CDs or DVDs using another computer with a faster connection, and use those for your upgrade |
| 21:53.54 | dvs | marcelo_: that means there's a typo earlier in the path |
| 21:54.02 | Wyzard | darkie33: or order CDs/DVDs by mail -- debian.org has some info on that, I believe |
| 21:54.14 | darkie33 | Wyzard: k |
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| 21:54.35 | marcelo_ | ok two secs found the typo but need to switch to root. i switched to root with su but it stills denis me |
| 21:54.38 | dvs | darkie33: is 160MB too large? |
| 21:55.17 | darkie33 | dvs: no i can manage that. |
| 21:55.33 | marcelo_ | Wyzard how can i get permission ? |
| 21:55.41 | Wyzard | marcelo_: "su" should be all you need |
| 21:55.48 | darkie33 | dvs: is that the size for an etch upgrade? |
| 21:55.52 | dvs | darkie33: that's enough for the netinstall but I just remembered that you'll have to download the packages too |
| 21:56.00 | marcelo_ | wyzard nah i done that |
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| 21:56.13 | Wyzard | marcelo_: error message? |
| 21:56.13 | darkie33 | dvs:that would be just the packages i want right? |
| 21:56.23 | dvs | darkie33: yes |
| 21:56.37 | darkie33 | dvs: i have sarge packages.. so i am quite happy with old ones... |
| 21:56.41 | Wyzard | darkie33: any packages that are currently installed on your system and which have newer versions available will be upgraded |
| 21:56.42 | marcelo_ | " Permission denied " |
| 21:57.08 | darkie33 | Wyzard: Don't i have an option of preventing that? |
| 21:57.48 | Wyzard | darkie33: It's probably possible from a technical standpoint, but partial upgrades aren't supported |
| 21:58.03 | Wyzard | darkie33: If you want to run etch, you should upgrade your whole system to etch |
| 21:58.09 | darkie33 | Wyzard: man... |
| 21:58.24 | Wyzard | darkie33: If you don't want to run etch, you shouldn't upgrade any of it -- but keep in mind that sarge support will be dropped eventually |
| 21:58.38 | petemc | after xmas, i beleive |
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| 21:59.09 | darkie33 | Wyzard: but why don't they have partial upgrades? |
| 21:59.28 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Your prompt is a '#', right? Not a '$'? |
| 21:59.43 | Wyzard | darkie33: because it'd be impossible to test all the possible combinations of sarge/etch packages |
| 21:59.58 | darkie33 | Wyzard:if there is a complete system upgrade then it will go over 1 gb right? |
| 22:00.19 | Wyzard | Very possibly, but it depends on how many packages are already installed on your system |
| 22:00.20 | wols_ | darkie33: depends how much stuff you have installed |
| 22:00.31 | darkie33 | oh man.. |
| 22:00.49 | darkie33 | i think i will order a cd. |
| 22:00.54 | Wyzard | Like I said, you can use another computer with a faster Internet connection to download a CD or DVD set, and use those to do you upgrade without having to download anything at all through the slow connection |
| 22:00.58 | wols_ | darkie33: do you have X and/or kde or gnome installed? |
| 22:01.06 | darkie33 | wols_: yes |
| 22:01.11 | marcelo_ | Wyzard yeah but it didnt work so i logged out and logged in as root. i have the package ready to be installed and it is warning mre it is the same as the one alrady there |
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| 22:01.55 | Wyzard | marcelo_: The warning is fine; you're intentionally reinstalling a package that's already installed |
| 22:02.10 | marcelo_ | ok so ill just hit enter |
| 22:02.15 | sayers | my debian keeps booting and forcing a FSCK |
| 22:02.37 | marcelo_ | Wyzard just hit enetr ? |
| 22:02.41 | sayers | but it does not seem to work it says failed do it manual then restart |
| 22:02.46 | sayers | so I do it manual and restart |
| 22:03.38 | marcelo_ | Wyzard ? |
| 22:03.39 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I don't remember dpkg actually stopping to ask about that, so I'm not sure quite which prompt you're facing, but if it's just asking for confirmation that it should reinstall something that's already installed, that's fine |
| 22:03.56 | marcelo_ | yeah ok im hittin enter |
| 22:04.24 | marcelo_ | unpacking |
| 22:04.29 | marcelo_ | running depmod |
| 22:04.56 | marcelo_ | install a success |
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| 22:05.14 | lvh | hi |
| 22:05.22 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Now check /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/net/ieee80211 |
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| 22:07.17 | marcelo_ | wyzard uhoh nothing there No such file or directory |
| 22:07.24 | lordrich | darkie33: nobody appears to have mentioned apt-zip to you |
| 22:07.41 | lordrich | I haven't used it myself, but it sounds like it might help you |
| 22:08.06 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Check for typos |
| 22:08.32 | marcelo_ | yeah i just navigated to the folder they are there |
| 22:08.42 | Wyzard | marcelo_: ieee80211.ko is there? |
| 22:08.54 | marcelo_ | yes :) |
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| 22:09.25 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, now try "modprobe ipw3945" again |
| 22:09.45 | floundering | Nuxis: I'm a bit cluelss but I played with an atheros card for a week, madwifi driver, my command sequence that worked was |
| 22:10.04 | marcelo_ | Wyzard modprobe returns nothing |
| 22:10.17 | floundering | Nuxis: airmon-ng stop ath0 |
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| 22:10.36 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That means it didn't encounter any problems -- you can check by running "lsmod | grep ipw3945", and it should return a line mentioning that module |
| 22:10.51 | floundering | Nuxis: airmon-ng start wifi0 |
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| 22:11.21 | floundering | Nuxis: airodump-ng ath0 |
| 22:11.32 | marcelo_ | Wyzard it rturned three lines |
| 22:11.58 | marcelo_ | ipw ieee firmware |
| 22:11.59 | floundering | Nuxis with a few iwconfig checks in between to make sure the commands had worked |
| 22:12.31 | Wyzard | marcelo_: makes sense -- the first line represents the ipw3945 driver itself, and the other two represent other modules being used by the ipw3945 driver |
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| 22:12.41 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, so step 1 is done :-) |
| 22:12.49 | marcelo_ | phew im so happy |
| 22:13.17 | Wyzard | marcelo_: btw, do "dpkg -s ipw3945-modules-2.6-amd64" to check whether you have that package installed |
| 22:13.34 | Wyzard | marcelo_: (If it shows info about the package, it's installed) |
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| 22:13.48 | darkie33 | hope they don't release lenny very early.. |
| 22:13.55 | Wyzard | marcels: oops, -686, not -amd64 |
| 22:13.59 | Wyzard | gah |
| 22:14.05 | Wyzard | marcelo_: -686, not -amd64 |
| 22:14.23 | Wyzard | I was reading the name from my own system (which is AMD64) by mistake :-) |
| 22:15.04 | marcelo_ | not installed |
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| 22:15.25 | Strawberryjam | can anybody direct me to some help channel on studio 64 except the studio 64 channel...i need some help with installing pppoe |
| 22:15.27 | Strawberryjam | ? |
| 22:15.29 | Strawberryjam | thank you |
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| 22:15.59 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You currently have linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 and ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-686 installed, which is fine |
| 22:16.05 | chrisjw | if a process is in the bg and you know it's pid (the process uses stdout), can i view stdout by loading the terminal and typing some command? |
| 22:16.31 | Wyzard | marcelo_: but later, when you upgrade to linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 (which contains some security fixes), you'll need to install ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-5-686 too |
| 22:16.51 | abrotman | still not working ? |
| 22:17.00 | marcelo_ | "dpkg -s ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 not installed |
| 22:17.11 | marcelo_ | ok i plan on updating everything |
| 22:17.12 | Wyzard | marcelo_: there are some dummy packages -- linux-image-2.6-686 and ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 -- which help to do upgrades like that automatically |
| 22:17.52 | Wyzard | marcelo_: The problem would be if you upgraded to the 2.6.18-5-686 kernel but forgot to install the new ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-5-686 package -- in that case your wireless would stop working |
| 22:17.59 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Anyway, that's an issue for later |
| 22:18.13 | Wyzard | marcelo_: At the moment, the next step is checking whether ipw3945d is working |
| 22:18.44 | marcelo_ | ok im trying log this conmversation so ill make sure i do whats needed |
| 22:19.13 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I think you mentioned you have the ipw3945d package installed, so see if "/etc/init.d/ipw3945d start" works |
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| 22:21.28 | marcelo_ | hg |
| 22:21.47 | marcelo_ | hang on that gives an error . No such file or dirctory |
| 22:22.02 | Wyzard | Maybe you don't have ipw3945d installed, then... dpkg -s ipw3945d |
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| 22:22.35 | marcelo_ | wyzard not installed |
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| 22:23.35 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Well, you'll need to install it... see if there's a .deb for it in /var/cache/apt/archives (which is unlikely, since it'd be installed already if apt had downloaded it) |
| 22:24.12 | marcelo_ | ok |
| 22:24.24 | Wyzard | If it's not there, you'll need to download it |
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| 22:25.08 | marcelo_ | i have the ipw3945 module. deb on my memory stick |
| 22:25.24 | Nuxis | I cannot play dvd using vlc anyone got an idea? |
| 22:25.27 | Wyzard | You already have the modules package installed |
| 22:25.30 | Wyzard | You need ipw3945d |
| 22:25.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: sorry |
| 22:26.02 | Wyzard | abrotman: for what? |
| 22:26.35 | abrotman | the four hour support sesssion :) |
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| 22:26.46 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 22:27.16 | marcelo_ | ipw3945d-1.7.22 is that th di have that deb file too on my memory stick |
| 22:27.25 | Wyzard | Well, four hours ago I had just woken up -- this is still morning for me |
| 22:27.27 | Nuxis | anyone? |
| 22:27.32 | marcelo_ | orry for typos but ive been at this for a whil |
| 22:27.38 | abrotman | Wyzard: that's just wrong |
| 22:27.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:27.51 | abrotman | you addict! |
| 22:27.52 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, that sounds right |
| 22:28.07 | marcelo_ | ok |
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| 22:28.17 | Wyzard | abrotman: I finished the first game (finally) around 10 or 11 last night and decided to start the second one |
| 22:28.25 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 22:28.33 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You mentioned earlier that you were having some problems accessing the files on the memory stick, though |
| 22:28.45 | Wyzard | abrotman: Well, I'd set it aside for more than half a year |
| 22:28.51 | marcelo_ | i can access but not write. |
| 22:29.03 | sayers | Why does XORG decide to work some times and not others? |
| 22:29.12 | marcelo_ | the file even show up on hte stick then i unplug it and the file has gone |
| 22:29.18 | marcelo_ | but thats another problem |
| 22:29.48 | Wyzard | abrotman: thinking I was only about halfway through, and I'd get back to it later... but as it turns out, I was about 2 screens away from the final boss :-) |
| 22:29.56 | abrotman | whoops |
| 22:29.56 | cafuego | sayers: Overheating video card |
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| 22:30.47 | sayers | cafuego, Highly doubt that |
| 22:31.03 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Anyway, use "dpkg -i" again to install the .deb file from your memory stick |
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| 22:31.45 | erz_ | Is it possible to install debian from an ipod ? (like usb key) |
| 22:31.57 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Also install firmware-ipw3945 if you don't have that already |
| 22:32.10 | cafuego | sayers: Well, that's that the problem here appeared to be, fixed 5 mins ago by cleaning the heatsink <heh> |
| 22:32.30 | sayers | cafuego, this is a laptop. |
| 22:32.31 | Wyzard | erz_: The Debian installer supports booting from USB devices, but doing it in a way that doesn't erase the current contents of the device is tricky |
| 22:32.36 | marcelo_ | Wyzard its not a deb file |
| 22:32.41 | Wyzard | marcelo_: What is it, then? |
| 22:32.55 | cafuego | sayers: Does X sometimes not start or does the screen just stay black? |
| 22:32.56 | marcelo_ | gz |
| 22:33.10 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That's the source code... you don't want that, you want the Debian package |
| 22:33.26 | sayers | cafecubita, Sometimes it loads KDM and sometimes it just says it did not start up right |
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| 22:33.55 | Wyzard | marcelo_: btw, rather than trying to transfer files via memory stick, didn't you say you have a wired connection available? |
| 22:34.04 | cafuego | sayers: That'sd not an error message I've ever seen. What does it say specifically? |
| 22:34.24 | venomgfx | would someone give me a hand on this? - "Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy." |
| 22:34.45 | marcelo_ | Wyzard no just an ethernet cable |
| 22:35.11 | Wyzard | marcelo_: An Ethernet cable that provides an Internet connection? |
| 22:35.19 | Wyzard | marcelo_: (Or just a spare cable whose other end isn't connected to anything?) |
| 22:35.26 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 22:35.33 | marcelo_ | nah internet |
| 22:35.35 | Wyzard | which? |
| 22:35.36 | Wyzard | ok |
| 22:35.42 | Wyzard | then that would be the wired connection I mentioned :-) |
| 22:35.51 | Wyzard | Why not use that for downloading packages? |
| 22:35.53 | erz_ | wyzard: well, i'm ready to format my ipod for that, but but I would really like to keep functions of an ipod (music player :p) after installing debian |
| 22:35.57 | marcelo_ | im gonna |
| 22:36.08 | marcelo_ | if i can find the package |
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| 22:36.26 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Get online with the wired connection and "apt-get install ipw3945d" |
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| 22:36.52 | Wyzard | erz_: Welll, you can always partition and format it back when you're done |
| 22:37.06 | Wyzard | erz_: Why not just use a CD or something? Or some other USB device that isn't an iPod? |
| 22:37.10 | sam1337 | anybody know of a tool i can use to select the debian packages i am going to install on my computer and it calculates how big i must make my partitions? |
| 22:37.10 | marcelo_ | i cant get online with the laptop . they run xp at this internet cafe |
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| 22:37.54 | Wyzard | marcelo_: doesn't matter what their computers run if you're plugging in your own |
| 22:38.08 | Wyzard | marcelo_: or did you mean that the cable is connected to the cafe-owned computer you're IRCing from? |
| 22:38.15 | sayers | cafuego, like now it seems to work but im not sure |
| 22:38.18 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I thought you meant you had a cable available that you could plug into your laptop |
| 22:38.32 | erz_ | wyzard: i really need a debian now :D, i have no cd/dvd reader, no usb key, nothing to be bootable ... as far i know i have my cellphone with 512mb memory stick |
| 22:38.56 | marcelo_ | wyzard the cable is connected to the cafe owned comp |
| 22:39.12 | psyche_ | wtf... |
| 22:39.16 | Wyzard | erz_: Well, setting up the USB device for booting requires another Linux system |
| 22:39.27 | geo-rge | tfiy! |
| 22:39.28 | marcelo_ | yeah i have been taking the cable out from the cafe owned comp and plugging it into my laptop |
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| 22:39.36 | psyche_ | i tried to install Debian Etch r1 on my computer, i got new hdd |
| 22:39.36 | Wyzard | erz_: unless you can find a way to do the equivalent of "dd" to a raw block device in Windows or whatever you're using currently |
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| 22:39.55 | sayers | when I run aptitude remove [package] it says Illegal instruction |
| 22:40.02 | psyche_ | i downloaded that new r1 version from debian.org, and for some kind of reason when i install X while Debian installation, swap fails |
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| 22:40.35 | marcelo_ | Wyzard http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ipw3945d&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all is that it |
| 22:40.39 | psyche_ | and when i install just Standard system, swap works, and i can install anything with aptitude, ALL! But not x-window-system or gdm/kdm/xdm |
| 22:40.44 | psyche_ | so whats wrong? |
| 22:40.51 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Yes, the stable one |
| 22:40.59 | psyche_ | i had same problem 6 months ago when i tested newest ubuntu |
| 22:41.12 | Wyzard | marcelo_: http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/firmware-ipw3945 too |
| 22:41.15 | erz_ | Wyzard: my last machine on windows... laptop got ubuntu. |
| 22:41.34 | geo-rge | you still can't install x after? how much ram? how much swap? how do you know your swap is failing? |
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| 22:42.04 | psyche_ | geo-rge because it says so after "succesful installation" |
| 22:42.14 | psyche_ | then it doesnt boot |
| 22:42.26 | geo-rge | says what exactly? |
| 22:42.28 | cafuego | sayers: That normally points at a broken libc6 or broken hardware (ram, cpu) |
| 22:42.35 | psyche_ | but like i said i can install debian without X, and do all kinds of funny staff, but still i cant install x |
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| 22:43.36 | geo-rge | got the version of debian you're installing. any more details you can think of? |
| 22:43.38 | psyche_ | geo-rge dont remember exactly, "swap failed" and asks do i want still continue or no, but it will try to boot system even if i chose "no" |
| 22:43.42 | cafuego | sayers: Step one: run memtest86 for a while, see what that says. |
| 22:44.01 | psyche_ | i desided that "tomorrow is a new day and new tricks" but i still came to ask advises |
| 22:44.08 | erz_ | wyzard: more simple i can install debian with ubuntu on my laptop : D |
| 22:44.11 | psyche_ | i didnt have that kind of problems before with r0 |
| 22:44.16 | psyche_ | or sarge |
| 22:44.16 | geo-rge | no proble m there |
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| 22:44.46 | geo-rge | hmm, I wonder if the r0 x would work |
| 22:45.09 | psyche_ | ive installed r0 before on my computer |
| 22:45.28 | geo-rge | I mean just the x part |
| 22:45.29 | psyche_ | but i got new hdd |
| 22:45.36 | psyche_ | and i desided to format system also |
| 22:45.43 | geo-rge | hopefully that's not the problem :) |
| 22:45.49 | psyche_ | dunno what i think on that moment when i desided that |
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| 22:46.27 | geo-rge | so r0 would work with your new hd? |
| 22:46.28 | psyche_ | i have no idea why that X fucks with me |
| 22:46.28 | sayers | cafuego, now for some reason kdm started :( |
| 22:46.36 | sayers | or really a :) is better |
| 22:46.38 | marcelo_ | Wyzard ok i used kpackage to load the ipw3945d and it says after unpacking it " not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not installed " |
| 22:46.41 | kaos_nk | How can you suppress the input prompt while playing a movie in full screen in mplayer (console)? Ah, this is not directly a debian-related question, but if anyone knows... |
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| 22:47.06 | psyche_ | geo-rge hdd is ok, i checked "bad" blocks also with "Hirens Boot Disk" |
| 22:47.20 | psyche_ | and like i said, ive never had problems with eariler versions of debian |
| 22:47.29 | geo-rge | swap failing might suggest something about the storage it's on |
| 22:47.37 | psyche_ | and i have used debian since woody |
| 22:47.37 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That sounds like it's referring to the kernel module, which is installed, but I suspect the problem is that you haven't installed the firmware, and it's just a misleading message |
| 22:48.01 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Install firmware-ipw3945, and then either reinstall ipw3945d or run "/etc/init.d/ipw3945d start" |
| 22:48.03 | marcelo_ | Wyzard hangg on i just tried it from the terminal and it loaded |
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| 22:48.11 | sayers | cafuego, I just installed memtest86 but it is not a command apprently? |
| 22:48.12 | geo-rge | psyche_: the thing that's getting me, is you changed to r1 at the same time you switched drives |
| 22:48.29 | Wyzard | marcelo_: ipw3945d started successfully? |
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| 22:48.49 | geo-rge | so we're not totally sure which it is, and you still have not said how much ram and swap you have |
| 22:49.00 | psyche_ | geo-rge so? both drives are from same manufacturer |
| 22:49.10 | marcelo_ | Wyzard the install wnt ok how do i test if it started |
| 22:49.17 | psyche_ | and i checked that new disk |
| 22:49.18 | marcelo_ | i see |
| 22:49.24 | Wyzard | marcelo_: ps -ef | grep 3945 |
| 22:49.33 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You should see a line for the running ipw3945d process |
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| 22:49.43 | psyche_ | oh :D, 1gb ram and swap is 2gb |
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| 22:50.05 | geo-rge | if the new drive was not tested with the old system (or was it?) then we can't yet know for sure which is causing the problem |
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| 22:50.51 | psyche_ | ive tested that new drive with "Hirens Boot Disk", that contains all kinds of tools |
| 22:50.54 | psyche_ | partition tools etc |
| 22:50.56 | sam1337 | recently debian was updated and one of the bugfixes was 'Added missing ESP module to SCSI modules list.' could it be possible that my problem with my dvdrw drive has been fixed now? |
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| 22:51.12 | geo-rge | I wonder what would happen if you kept that swap partition but defined another and used that new swap partition instead |
| 22:51.23 | jetscreamer | swapfile |
| 22:51.31 | marcelo_ | Wyzard i see a line mentioning th 3945 |
| 22:51.39 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, then it's running |
| 22:51.46 | geo-rge | is the old drive still in the machine? if so, another thing you can do is try using the old drive's swap |
| 22:52.01 | Wyzard | marcelo_: If you run "ifconfig -a", you should see a new network interface corresponding to your wireless card |
| 22:52.07 | marcelo_ | i cant beleive you know all these codes off by heart |
| 22:52.15 | cafuego | sayers: it's a boot menu option, provided you add it to lilo or grub. |
| 22:52.22 | geo-rge | did you do a surface scan of the new drive? |
| 22:52.30 | psyche_ | geo-rge yep |
| 22:52.33 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Well, things like dpkg and ps are fairly common commands |
| 22:52.40 | geo-rge | how large is the drive? |
| 22:52.50 | psyche_ | 160 |
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| 22:53.04 | geo-rge | that must have taken a LONG time... |
| 22:53.07 | marcelo_ | wyzard i see eth0 eth1 lo |
| 22:53.08 | psyche_ | but i think that i just lay down and look some anime |
| 22:53.30 | Wyzard | marcelo_: "rmmod ipw3945", then run "ifconfig -a" again and see if one of them disappears |
| 22:53.30 | psyche_ | geo-rge i have tried to install that system like 6 hours now |
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| 22:53.59 | geo-rge | psyche_: ok... but... |
| 22:54.07 | psyche_ | but ill check that later, im just too tired now |
| 22:54.15 | geo-rge | I'll be curious to know what the problem is when you do find it |
| 22:54.31 | opopanax | bonez39, you on? |
| 22:54.37 | marcelo_ | wyzard no nothing went |
| 22:54.41 | infinity0 | y'know what i just realised? |
| 22:54.42 | psyche_ | i try to find my old debian r0 cd from somewhere |
| 22:54.45 | infinity0 | debian rhymes with lesbian |
| 22:54.49 | geo-rge | have lotsa aname fun |
| 22:54.56 | psyche_ | thx |
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| 22:55.08 | geo-rge | infinity0: thank you for sharing :) |
| 22:55.21 | Guerin | infinity0: we noticed |
| 22:55.21 | sam1337 | recently debian was updated and one of the bugfixes was 'Added missing ESP module to SCSI modules list.' could it be possible that my dvdrw now works on debian 4.0? |
| 22:55.22 | Wyzard | infinity0: You're not the first to realize that -- http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 22:55.25 | petemc | infinity0: you're not the first to notice that |
| 22:55.29 | petemc | :) |
| 22:55.37 | infinity0 | aha, very nice link :D |
| 22:55.46 | sayers | if debian freezes up should I just wait it out? This is an old machine |
| 22:55.50 | geo-rge | it also rhymes with plebian |
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| 22:56.02 | jetscreamer | nubian |
| 22:56.09 | geo-rge | delorian |
| 22:56.15 | petemc | sayers: you mean X? does ctl alt backspace work? |
| 22:56.16 | cafuego | sayers: it just froze? |
| 22:56.24 | jetscreamer | geranium |
| 22:56.39 | sayers | cafuego, yes it does in X |
| 22:56.42 | Wyzard | marcelo_: It might be that the ipw3945 module can't be unloaded while ipw3945d is loaded, I dunno |
| 22:56.49 | sayers | petemc, the keyboard stops also |
| 22:57.01 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Anyway, you'll need to install wireless-tools... "dpkg -s wireless-tools" to check whether it's installed already |
| 22:57.06 | petemc | sayers: is the machine on the network? ssh running? |
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| 22:57.14 | sayers | petemc, no it is not |
| 22:57.20 | sayers | it is on the network though petemc |
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| 22:57.22 | jetscreamer | put vga=normal it will work |
| 22:57.27 | sayers | i havent set up SSH on it because im not sure how |
| 22:57.27 | jetscreamer | yes xorg |
| 22:57.27 | marcelo_ | wyzard ok |
| 22:57.47 | petemc | sayers: ctl alt f1 or ctl alt backspace do nothing? |
| 22:57.58 | jetscreamer | xorgbug |
| 22:58.02 | Wyzard | marcelo_: if it isn't installed, http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/wireless-tools |
| 22:58.03 | jetscreamer | i have same |
| 22:58.05 | marcelo_ | wyzard yes it is installed :) |
| 22:58.08 | jetscreamer | vga=normal for me |
| 22:58.10 | Wyzard | marcelo_: ok, good |
| 22:58.25 | marcelo_ | did we do the firmware |
| 22:58.41 | geo-rge | that doesn't rhyme with debian :P ot rhymes with lord pug |
| 22:58.53 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I dunno, did you? (I thought you installed firmware-ipw3945 along with ipw3945d) |
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| 22:58.59 | jetscreamer | jbuggian |
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| 22:59.02 | marcelo_ | no ill do that next |
| 22:59.03 | jetscreamer | jkava |
| 22:59.28 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I'm surprised you were able to load the module and start ipw3945d running without the firmware |
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| 23:01.57 | marcelo_ | whats the code for installing a deb packages again dpkg -i? |
| 23:02.02 | Wyzard | yep |
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| 23:02.44 | geo-rge | marcelo_: and dpkg --help to see all the other tricks it does |
| 23:03.30 | marcelo_ | ok ill be doing alot of reading when i go wireless |
| 23:04.02 | marcelo_ | ok thats installed and i checked it with dpkg -s |
| 23:04.14 | Wyzard | ok |
| 23:04.22 | Wyzard | Now run "iwconfig" |
| 23:04.32 | Wyzard | Do any of your interfaces say something other than "no wireless extensions" ? |
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| 23:04.43 | marcelo_ | no they still say that |
| 23:04.57 | Wyzard | ok |
| 23:05.11 | Wyzard | probably because the firmware wasn't available while you started everything up |
| 23:05.22 | Wyzard | First stop the daemon: /etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop |
| 23:05.30 | Shadowcat | anyone own an audigy card in here? |
| 23:05.34 | Wyzard | Then unload and reload the module: rmmod ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945 |
| 23:05.43 | Wyzard | Then start the daemon again: /etc/init.d/ipw3945 start |
| 23:05.43 | Shadowcat | I'm having loads of fun trying to get it to work with debian amd64 |
| 23:05.55 | Wyzard | Then try iwconfig again |
| 23:06.00 | marcelo_ | Wyzard ok its stoppd |
| 23:06.02 | Shadowcat | I'm getting the error: cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-1) |
| 23:06.04 | geo-rge | ShadowcatI got a amd64 :) |
| 23:06.21 | geo-rge | if I like it enough I'm going to get another |
| 23:06.28 | Wyzard | Shadowcat: I have an SB Live on amd64 -- emu10k1 driver, same one the Audigy uses (I think) |
| 23:06.45 | geo-rge | so far so good... $450 bought me a fairly nice system |
| 23:06.47 | Shadowcat | no, Audigy uses the CA0106 driver |
| 23:06.51 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 23:06.54 | Shadowcat | i get an error -12 |
| 23:06.56 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 23:06.59 | Shadowcat | and I have no idea what that means |
| 23:07.03 | marcelo_ | Wyzard its giving werror not starting ipw3945 daemon driver not loaded |
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| 23:08.09 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Is the ipw3945 module loaded? |
| 23:08.14 | Wyzard | marcelo_: lsmod | grep ipw3945 |
| 23:08.46 | marcelo_ | returns nothing |
| 23:08.51 | Wyzard | hmm, this new "debtorrent" package looks interesting |
| 23:08.56 | Wyzard | marcelo_: modprobe ipw3945 |
| 23:09.25 | marcelo_ | staring daemon :) |
| 23:10.07 | marcelo_ | its started should i try iwconfig |
| 23:10.10 | Wyzard | yes |
| 23:10.25 | marcelo_ | no wireless extentions |
| 23:10.35 | Wyzard | check dmesg |
| 23:11.05 | marcelo_ | its detected it |
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| 23:11.43 | marcelo_ | at the very end it says "kill switch must be turned off for wireless to work" |
| 23:11.44 | Wyzard | Nothing that looks like an error message? |
| 23:12.24 | Wyzard | That's true for actually connecting to wireless networks, but the interface will still show up even if the killswitch is on |
| 23:12.25 | marcelo_ | only the above |
| 23:12.35 | Wyzard | You said you have an eth0 and an eth1, right? |
| 23:12.41 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 23:12.47 | Wyzard | and they *both* say "no wireless extensions" ? |
| 23:12.51 | marcelo_ | yes |
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| 23:13.17 | geo-rge | got any other eths? |
| 23:13.31 | Wyzard | I doubt your laptop has two wired Ethernet cards |
| 23:13.51 | geo-rge | some laptops have a wired eth and a firewire eth |
| 23:13.58 | Wyzard | true |
| 23:14.09 | geo-rge | like my inspiron 5150 :) |
| 23:14.17 | Wyzard | but that would mean the ipw3945 driver is detecting the card but not creating an interface for it |
| 23:14.18 | marcelo_ | ifconfig -a just shows eth0 eth1 lo but when i did a hardware report in windows i think it mentioned another |
| 23:14.41 | geo-rge | ifconfig -a shows only those two eths? |
| 23:14.49 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 23:14.53 | marcelo_ | ill do it again |
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| 23:15.31 | marcelo_ | yeah only eth0 eth1 lo |
| 23:15.45 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Let's repeat that earlier experiment, more thoroughly this time: run "/etc/init.d/ipw3945d stop" to stop the daemon, and then "rmmod ipw3945" to unload the driver module |
| 23:15.49 | geo-rge | just thought I'd jump in to make sure of that one part |
| 23:16.03 | Wyzard | marcelo_: and after doing both those things, then run "ifconfig -a" again and see if one of the eths has disappeared |
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| 23:16.42 | marcelo_ | wyzard ok its been stopped |
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| 23:17.02 | geo-rge | mod removed? |
| 23:17.16 | marcelo_ | yeah rmmod removed |
| 23:17.28 | geo-rge | ok, now try ifconfig -a |
| 23:17.34 | geo-rge | same? different? |
| 23:17.39 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 23:17.42 | Shadowcat | here goes nothing |
| 23:17.44 | marcelo_ | same |
| 23:17.51 | Shadowcat | "upgrading" to debian unstable |
| 23:17.54 | Wyzard | eth0 and eth1 are both still there? |
| 23:17.56 | geo-rge | still eth0 eth1 lo? |
| 23:18.03 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 23:18.10 | Wyzard | Then neither of those is your wireless card |
| 23:18.10 | sam1337 | Shadowcat think of it as updating not upgrading |
| 23:18.13 | geo-rge | allllllllrighteyyyy thennnn :) |
| 23:18.23 | Wyzard | The ipw3945 driver should be creating a third interface, probably named something like eth2 |
| 23:18.29 | Shadowcat | sam1337: more like "you're gonna regret this big time" |
| 23:18.46 | Wyzard | Since it isn't, ordinarily I'd say it's not detecting the card, but you looked at dmesg and said it is |
| 23:18.48 | Shadowcat | but I'm guessing I need some newer libs if I'm gonna start poking around in the kernel source (again) |
| 23:19.01 | sam1337 | Shadowcat testing is actually quite stable btw |
| 23:19.17 | pipeline_ | Shadowcat: treat testing like a fedora release. :) |
| 23:19.34 | marcelo_ | Wyzard ok |
| 23:19.43 | Wyzard | marcelo_: What did dmesg actually say about the card being detected? |
| 23:19.45 | gonzaloaf | hi, if I have 32M of Ram and 1.2G of hard disk, how much swap would it be ok? |
| 23:20.07 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: I think Debian requires a minimum of 48MB RAM these days |
| 23:20.08 | pipeline_ | gonzaloaf: as much as you can spare |
| 23:20.15 | pipeline_ | Wyzard: bah, only the installer |
| 23:20.16 | Wyzard | though that's from memory and I'm not 100% sure |
| 23:20.33 | gonzaloaf | I'm doing a net installd |
| 23:20.36 | pipeline_ | gonzaloaf: wyzard has a point; the installer may bail on you. You might need to use toms rtbt plus debootstrap |
| 23:20.48 | pipeline_ | gonzaloaf: the point is, allocate as much swap as you can afford to part with disk space. |
| 23:21.19 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: swap == (how much RAM you wish you had) - (how much RAM you actually have) |
| 23:21.36 | marcelo_ | Wyzard dmesg said pci enabling device then some figures under that acpi then pci ipw3945 detected |
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| 23:22.02 | marcelo_ | do you want the figures on enabling device ? |
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| 23:22.08 | reiser2 | hi |
| 23:22.12 | Wyzard | marcelo_: hmm... sounds like the driver is working properly, but I don't know why it isn't creating the interface |
| 23:22.17 | Wyzard | marcelo_: sure, if you don't mind typing them |
| 23:22.29 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I don't know whether they'll be any help though |
| 23:22.33 | marcelo_ | hang on w fucked about with the interface file |
| 23:22.38 | gonzaloaf | Wyzard, I'm going to set a svn server on that P1 with 32M of RAM, how much RAM will it need? |
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| 23:22.51 | Wyzard | gonzaloaf: no idea... I don't run any SVN servers |
| 23:22.54 | reiser2 | i am funning lx-viewer, but after some seconds making zoom in/out, pan, etc, it close |
| 23:23.03 | geo-rge | Wyzard: there any way to make the driver messages more verbose? |
| 23:23.10 | Wyzard | marcelo_: The interfaces file has nothing to do with the stuff we're doing at this point |
| 23:23.17 | reiser2 | i get this "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08777de8 ***Abortado" |
| 23:23.51 | Wyzard | geo-rge: not unless the module itself provides a verbosity option (check with modinfo) |
| 23:23.58 | Wyzard | reiser2: bug in the program |
| 23:24.25 | reiser2 | hummm |
| 23:24.27 | reiser2 | ok |
| 23:24.27 | marcelo_ | enabling device 0000:06:00.0 (0000 ->0002) |
| 23:25.00 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, that's just a PCI bus ID |
| 23:25.07 | marcelo_ | PCI enabling device 0000:06:00.0 (0000 ->0002) |
| 23:25.12 | Wyzard | marcelo_: If you run lspci, you'll see that 06:00.0 is your ipw3945 device |
| 23:25.19 | marcelo_ | ok |
| 23:25.39 | Wyzard | marcelo_: dunno about the (0000 -> 0002) part |
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| 23:26.13 | Wyzard | marcelo_: unfortunately, I can't think of any reason why the driver would detect the card but then fail to create an interface for it |
| 23:26.26 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I don't have firsthand experience with an ipw3945; maybe you can find someone who does |
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| 23:27.12 | marcelo_ | ok ill keep trying |
| 23:27.35 | Wyzard | marcelo_: dmesg only shows kernel messages, so if the ipw3945d daemon is printing messages, you won't see those in dmesg... check /var/log/syslog |
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| 23:28.06 | rcbarnes | Is there an snes emulator that actually works on amd64 and doesn't suck? |
| 23:28.36 | marcelo_ | Wyzard permmision denied but im root |
| 23:28.52 | rcbarnes | zsnes broken when I switched to opteron-64s |
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| 23:29.45 | Wyzard | marcelo_: It's a text file, not a program... cat /var/log/syslog |
| 23:29.54 | CalJohn | is there a program with some kind of virtual piano for playing a couple of notes? |
| 23:30.08 | marcelo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.13 | Wyzard | marcelo_: If you just type "/var/log/syslog" the shell thinks you want to run it as a script, and it doesn't have execute permission (since it isn't a script and shouldn't be run) |
| 23:30.18 | marcelo_ | what am i looking foir |
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| 23:30.35 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Anything mentioning the 3945 |
| 23:30.49 | thingfish | I've been trying to do an etch netinstall, and the install goes well, however it fails to find the swap partition even after it's been manually set up during the partitioning portion of install. What should I do? |
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| 23:31.16 | Wyzard | marcelo_: At least, anything mentioning the 3945 that isn't just the same stuff you've already seen in dmesg |
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| 23:32.09 | marcelo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:32.10 | Octopssy | Anyone might be willing to help me for a sec? |
| 23:32.13 | Octopssy | "Verifying DMI Pool data" "Disk BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" |
| 23:32.16 | Octopssy | Get those messages at boot, although BIOS is saying disks are up&running |
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| 23:32.25 | Octopssy | This I had on my debian system after installing Oracle 10g server |
| 23:32.40 | Wyzard | marcelo_: aha... I don't know what "reon 2" is, but "ucode failed" sounds like it was unable to load the card's firmware, which is a very good reason for the interface to not show up |
| 23:32.41 | marcelo_ | Wyzard yeah dont we need to load the ucode |
| 23:32.52 | Wyzard | marcelo_: You did install firmware-ipw3945, right? |
| 23:32.55 | marcelo_ | reson 2 sorry typo |
| 23:33.10 | marcelo_ | yeah but i think there is another part the ucode |
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| 23:33.51 | Wyzard | marcelo_: I found a page with Google that has that "reason 2" message followed by another line saying "could not read microcode: -2" -- do you see that? |
| 23:34.02 | marcelo_ | yeah |
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| 23:34.54 | thingfish | I'm installing to a 20GB hard drive on primary ide 1, slave. I have another drive as master and a third drive on the secondary ide controller. |
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| 23:35.22 | Wyzard | marcelo_: "ipw3945.ucode" probably refers to /lib/firmware/ipw3945.ucode, which is a file provided by the firmware-ipw3945 package... make sure that file exists on your system |
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| 23:35.25 | thingfish | I've tried the install letting it automatically partition, and I've done it manually - no change. |
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| 23:37.08 | vzweije | #define ENOENT 2 /* No such file or directory */ |
| 23:37.20 | thingfish | I really have no idea as to what's going on...I've done debian installs many times and there's never been a problem before. |
| 23:37.36 | thingfish | and there's nothing exotic about this box. |
| 23:37.40 | marcelo_ | i just done dpkg -s ipw3945.ucode not installed |
| 23:37.43 | geo-rge | that;'s one of many meanings for 2 |
| 23:38.04 | geo-rge | another is "something you add to 40" |
| 23:38.05 | marcelo_ | wyzard i just done dpkg -s ipw3945.ucode not installed |
| 23:38.17 | Wyzard | marcelo_: It's a file, not a package |
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| 23:38.35 | Wyzard | marcelo_: ls /lib/firmware/ipw3945.ucode |
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| 23:38.52 | frojnd | hello there |
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| 23:39.04 | frojnd | how can I check who else is connected through switch ? |
| 23:39.07 | marcelo_ | i dont knowyeah it lists it |
| 23:39.12 | Wyzard | ok |
| 23:39.18 | marcelo_ | it lists it |
| 23:39.33 | Wyzard | marcelo_: btw, run "modinfo ieee80211" and tell me what it says on the "version:" line |
| 23:40.09 | petemc | thingfish: does the install stop? |
| 23:40.18 | marcelo_ | Wyzard git-1.1.13 |
| 23:40.42 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, good, just checking -- http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ says you need 1.1.11 or newer, so you're OK on that front |
| 23:41.02 | thingfish | petemc: no |
| 23:41.11 | Wyzard | marcelo_: (Only if that number was older than 1.1.11 would you need to do the ieee80211-source stuff you were trying to do earlier) |
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| 23:41.30 | marcelo_ | ok |
| 23:42.44 | marcelo_ | hang on a sec do i have to have my wireless witch on and a cafe that has wirless zone ? |
| 23:42.49 | petemc | thingfish: so whats the objective here? if you want to isolate a bug in the installer i think theres a channel for the debian installer.. |
| 23:43.04 | Wyzard | marcelo_: No, you don't |
| 23:43.16 | marcelo_ | ok phew |
| 23:43.20 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That would be necessary to actually *connect* to a wireless network, of course, but not to just get the system to recognize the card |
| 23:43.30 | thingfish | petemc: so you think I should just go ahead with the install and activate the swap once it's completed? |
| 23:43.32 | marcelo_ | yeah |
| 23:43.59 | petemc | thingfish: thats what i would do |
| 23:44.09 | thingfish | cool, thanks man |
| 23:44.12 | thingfish | will do |
| 23:44.44 | petemc | thingfish: if you're short on ram, you could try and fudge it by switching to console, using dd to create a file and run swapon on that |
| 23:44.46 | marcelo_ | wyzard is this any help http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/INSTALL |
| 23:44.55 | petemc | provided busybox has dd and swapon.. |
| 23:44.56 | Wyzard | marcelo_: That message you mentioned, saying ipw3945.ucode couldn't be loaded... was that at the end of your /var/log/syslog file, or somewhere earlier in the file? |
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| 23:45.18 | thingfish | petemc: I have 2GB ram. |
| 23:45.27 | petemc | you should be all good |
| 23:45.32 | thingfish | oh wait, one on this box |
| 23:45.39 | petemc | tho i think the install will only see 980 or so of that |
| 23:45.45 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Most of that document is stuff relating to compiling and installing which is taken care of already by Debian's packages |
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| 23:45.58 | marcelo_ | wyzard yeah |
| 23:46.13 | Wyzard | marcelo_: (Remember what I said earlier about a distribution's way of doing things being preferred over the vendor's generic directions) |
| 23:46.50 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Section 13 ("loading the driver") points us to README.ipw3945, which is the documentation on how to actually use the driver once it's installed, which is the point we're at |
| 23:47.35 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to say anything about troubleshooting |
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| 23:49.20 | Octopssy | Any clue how I can fix a bootblock for a certain drive in linuxdebian?? |
| 23:49.34 | Octopssy | My system doesn't boot anymore to the drive where debian is installed on |
| 23:49.48 | petemc | Octopssy: where does it boot to? |
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| 23:50.05 | Octopssy | It says |
| 23:50.06 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Does "lsmod | grep iwl3945" produce any output? (Note "iwl", not "ipw") |
| 23:50.16 | OmnipotentEntity | Does anyone know of a way to make mplayer play a stream and dump at the same time, the only way I've found uses at least three named pipes and the lag is very noticable. |
| 23:50.16 | Octopssy | "Verifying DMI Pool data" "Disk BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" |
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| 23:50.32 | Octopssy | Get those messages at boot, although BIOS is saying disks are up&running |
| 23:50.42 | Octopssy | Knoppix also lets me open the drive |
| 23:50.45 | Octopssy | and open/check the files |
| 23:50.52 | marcelo_ | wyzard no returns nothing |
| 23:50.58 | Wyzard | marcelo_: OK, good, just checking |
| 23:51.06 | petemc | Octopssy: so, knoppix boots? |
| 23:51.09 | Octopssy | petemc: any clue? |
| 23:51.12 | Octopssy | to the livecd |
| 23:51.13 | Octopssy | yea.. |
| 23:51.32 | et | reinstall the bootloader? |
| 23:51.40 | Octopssy | how can I? |
| 23:51.45 | Octopssy | and can this error |
| 23:51.47 | petemc | Octopssy: i would check the boot order in the bios |
| 23:51.50 | Octopssy | caused by a wrong bootloader? |
| 23:51.53 | Octopssy | "Verifying DMI Pool data" "Disk BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" |
| 23:51.57 | petemc | thats not a bootloader message |
| 23:52.03 | Octopssy | petemc: did, its fid |
| 23:52.05 | Octopssy | fine* |
| 23:52.26 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.29 | Wyzard | marcelo_: Apparently "reason -2" is "no such file or directory" |
| 23:52.38 | petemc | tho that message seems odd.. |
| 23:53.17 | petemc | Octopssy: i think the only time ive seen that message is when theres a floppy disk in the drive |
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| 23:53.36 | marcelo_ | wyzard let me type in the error |
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| 23:56.33 | balsagot1 | hi people |
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| 23:57.37 | balsagoth | anyone can tell why some usual packages on debian testing are not recent avaiable |
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| 23:58.08 | marcelo_ | ipw3945.ucode load failed: reason -2 ipw3945 could not read microcode: -2 ACPI : PCI interrupt for device 0000:06:00.0 disabled ipw3945: probe of 0000:06:00.0 failed with error 2 |
| 23:58.20 | petemc | balsagoth: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
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| 23:59.00 | marcelo_ | Wyzard thats the error it gives |
| 23:59.00 | Wyzard | marcelo_: yeah... and the -2 means that the reason is because it couldn't find the firmware file |
| 23:59.22 | Wyzard | marcelo_: according to http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/3/4/267 |
