| 00:00.10 | JordiGH | "man woman" reminds me of another joke... |
| 00:00.18 | JordiGH | How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 00:00.30 | JordiGH | THAT'S NOT FUNNY! |
| 00:00.44 | cloakable | XD |
| 00:00.53 | c0rnd0g | lol |
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| 00:01.01 | D-Fender | hello, my laptop has an internal card reader. It detects the card, but when i try to copy more than like 3 files to it at once, it loses contact with the card, then redetects a second later, and my files that were already copied are gone. How do I fix this? |
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| 00:01.11 | c0rnd0g | mannaanna kind of ryhymes with loserandanna :D |
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| 00:01.25 | JordiGH | Hm, looks like woman.1.gz was removed from funny-manpages. |
| 00:01.30 | c0rnd0g | lol |
| 00:01.44 | c0rnd0g | maybe its an emacs derivative, JordiGH |
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| 00:02.07 | jelly-home | D-Fender: at least you lose them quick, my slows down progressively until I just decide to quit. |
| 00:02.07 | JordiGH | Or maybe it was just too offensive and Debian women complained. I wouldn't blame them. |
| 00:02.23 | D-Fender | jelly-home, that doesn't help me |
| 00:02.23 | JordiGH | women.debian.org |
| 00:02.23 | GarryFre | worlds shortest books "Men I have loved" By ellen degeneris and Roseanne Barr |
| 00:02.29 | jelly-home | D-Fender: that's with SDs. Works well with MMCs though. |
| 00:02.37 | GarryFre | or amish phonebook |
| 00:02.41 | D-Fender | and i'm talking about an sd |
| 00:02.43 | JordiGH | I like their logo. |
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| 00:03.01 | jelly-home | D-Fender: I know, I'm just saying the support is patchy |
| 00:03.11 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: emacs is sort of overtly masculine don't you think? |
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| 00:03.20 | GarryFre | is there really one called funny-manpages? |
| 00:03.23 | D-Fender | jelly-home, is there a way to fix? |
| 00:03.28 | JordiGH | GarryFre: Yes. |
| 00:03.46 | c0rnd0g | Tel Aviv: do you use emacs? i'm sure you love it love it love it. |
| 00:04.02 | jelly-home | D-Fender: apart from trying the very latest relevant drivers, no idea |
| 00:04.03 | JordiGH | GarryFre: If we have the Bible and Quran as Debian packages, I don't see what's so unusual about other humourous packages like funny-manpages. |
| 00:04.17 | D-Fender | feh! |
| 00:04.30 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: only if those -funnies are masculine and emacs-worthy? |
| 00:04.37 | GarryFre | JordiGH Oh I gotta check it out. I remember craking a rib on Bastard Operator from hell. |
| 00:04.38 | stoned | jeje |
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| 00:04.42 | JordiGH | c0rnd0g: I don't think Emacs is gendered. |
| 00:04.45 | stoned | you should be called cr0nd0g |
| 00:04.46 | stoned | :) |
| 00:04.54 | c0rnd0g | lol stoned |
| 00:04.55 | stoned | something linuxy |
| 00:05.00 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:05.04 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I bet she is. |
| 00:05.18 | c0rnd0g | how about: cronshog? (shermanic) :) |
| 00:05.27 | stoned | ? |
| 00:05.32 | jelly-home | cronholio. |
| 00:05.45 | c0rnd0g | germanic=cron type, stoned what i'm referring to |
| 00:05.48 | stoned | guess im too 'myself' to get that one |
| 00:05.49 | c0rnd0g | automatic.. |
| 00:06.10 | JordiGH | Actually, do we have a specialised Quran package? I know we do have stuff for being reminded to pray facing Mecca. |
| 00:06.26 | JordiGH | !info itools |
| 00:06.29 | dpkg | itools: (Islamic hijri date and prayer time utilities), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.6.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 00:06.39 | stoned | or you can just ask me |
| 00:06.46 | stoned | Ramadan begins on the 13th of Sep |
| 00:06.48 | GarryFre | !Quran |
| 00:06.53 | stoned | i know im gonna have to fast |
| 00:06.56 | JordiGH | stoned: You're Muslim? I thought you were Hindu for some reason. |
| 00:06.58 | stoned | they'll make me fast |
| 00:07.01 | stoned | what |
| 00:07.05 | stoned | fuck hindis man |
| 00:07.17 | jelly-home | stoned: better fast than slow |
| 00:07.17 | stoned | and them islams too |
| 00:07.19 | JordiGH | I bet that would be fun. |
| 00:07.20 | c0rnd0g | how do you spell A Saalem A Lekum? |
| 00:07.27 | c0rnd0g | i think it means Peace Be with You |
| 00:07.28 | stoned | Salam u Alaikum |
| 00:07.35 | c0rnd0g | ok thanks, stoned |
| 00:07.47 | JordiGH | And while we're quoting bash.org... http://bash.org/?796742 |
| 00:07.53 | c0rnd0g | so the "A" in the front means "The" Peace be with you? |
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| 00:08.18 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: sounds emacsian. sry, i'm not referencing that. |
| 00:08.31 | stoned | the full greeting is Salaam u alaikum wa rahmat allahe wa barakat (peace be on you and allahs grace and mercy too) |
| 00:08.40 | stoned | there is no a |
| 00:08.54 | stoned | its only Salaam Salamualakum etc. |
| 00:09.04 | stoned | no A |
| 00:09.14 | JordiGH | So there is a standard way to transliterate Arabic? Russian would do well to take a clue, then. |
| 00:09.20 | stoned | A is just a sound some people make before they pronouce the S sound |
| 00:09.28 | stoned | for example, a lot of people can't say School or Star in pakistan |
| 00:09.36 | stoned | they say iskool or istar |
| 00:09.40 | c0rnd0g | stoned: the rhetorical "the" must be calling something heavenly. |
| 00:09.48 | stoned | there is no 'the |
| 00:09.50 | GarryFre | or schmitten |
| 00:09.54 | stoned | rhetorical or otherwise |
| 00:10.01 | stoned | and no jelly-home or whoever, I am not muslimm |
| 00:10.05 | JordiGH | stoned: Is that because the s is immediately followed by a consonant? Like the special/especially thing? |
| 00:10.06 | c0rnd0g | stoned: an ambiguous "where ya at, something from the heavens" |
| 00:10.14 | stoned | JordiGH: exactly |
| 00:10.32 | JordiGH | stoned: Funny, Spanish needs the same buffer vowels. |
| 00:10.36 | GarryFre | language is a fascinating thing. |
| 00:10.39 | stoned | yup |
| 00:11.10 | JordiGH | Back to Debian, is there no package with the Quran in it? |
| 00:11.13 | jelly-home | stoned: eh? oh. it was whoever |
| 00:11.16 | stoned | JordiGH: no |
| 00:11.22 | c0rnd0g | stoned: hence, "where ya at, something from the heavens, place something miraculous in my hand, before i shake it cuz its dirty" :D |
| 00:11.28 | stoned | JordiGH: however I am developing with a team on TorahAnytime.com |
| 00:11.30 | JordiGH | !info perspic-texts |
| 00:11.34 | dpkg | perspic-texts: (Some pre-indexed texts for perspic), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.5-5.1 (sid), Packaged size: 16240 kB, Installed size: 23304 kB |
| 00:11.37 | stoned | soon, I will have QuranAnytime.com |
| 00:11.41 | GarryFre | But, its interesting that anyone can recognize when someone is cursing, no matter what the language. I guess its the fists pommeling the monitor or keyboard. |
| 00:11.46 | stoned | and hopefully there after I can have bibleanytime.com |
| 00:11.47 | c0rnd0g | stoned: congrats |
| 00:12.06 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | - ¶¶$¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶øø¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶¶$$¶¶¶¶ |
| 00:12.07 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | - ¶¶¶$¶¶¶¶¶¶¶o´´´´´´´´´´´7¶¶¶¶¶¶$$¶ |
| 00:12.07 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | - $$¶¶¶¶$¶¶¶´´´111111111´´´´$¶¶¶¶$¶ |
| 00:12.07 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | - ¶¶¶¶¶$¶¶ø´´11111111111111´´¶¶¶¶$¶ |
| 00:12.07 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | - ¶¶¶¶¶¶¶ø´´1111111111111111´´´¶¶$¶ |
| 00:12.07 | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr | - ¶¶¶¶¶¶¶´´1111111111111111171´¶¶¶¶ |
| 00:12.07 | stoned | I am not a man of one religion you can say, I am a man of none and all |
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| 00:12.11 | JordiGH | GarryFre: Unless they're Mormons, who go out of their way to find euphemisms they can curse with. |
| 00:12.13 | jelly-home | eww |
| 00:12.36 | Decepticon | that looks like tux's head |
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| 00:12.44 | stoned | I would say a tit |
| 00:12.46 | stoned | but i could be wrong |
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| 00:12.50 | c0rnd0g | GarryFre: unfortunately due to not much proper typing skills being taught, and the massive frustration brought forth by the tv, this is, i'm assuming, a problem? |
| 00:12.51 | jelly-home | D_ReaL_PuNiShEr: don't |
| 00:12.51 | GarryFre | Its conehead |
| 00:12.58 | D-Fender | rainbow anyone? |
| 00:12.59 | stoned | i remember that movie Coneheads |
| 00:13.05 | cloakable | It looks like getting kicked from #debian :P |
| 00:13.05 | stoned | owe man, it was so little |
| 00:13.16 | GarryFre | :) |
| 00:13.19 | stoned | I was so little when the movie came out |
| 00:13.26 | stoned | the little conehead baby |
| 00:13.27 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:13.29 | stoned | cute |
| 00:13.33 | Decepticon | i remember some dinosaur family |
| 00:13.37 | c0rnd0g | stoned: Coneheads? what about Big and Teds Greatest Adventures(sp)? |
| 00:13.45 | JordiGH | A tit/Tux's head, hehehe... "Snoopy.... I mean, homeboy looks like a giant tit." |
| 00:13.48 | stoned | fuck bill and ted |
| 00:13.50 | Decepticon | i used to have the baby dinosaur plush toy |
| 00:13.55 | stoned | worse characters ever |
| 00:14.05 | stoned | Ernest is better, |
| 00:14.11 | GarryFre | I remember, this guy spending hours trying to get gnome to have a tv window, when he's got a TV right next to him. Some people have nothing over cats that spend an entire afternoon beating up a leaf. |
| 00:14.12 | Decepticon | you'd pull on the string and he would say "im the baby" or something stupid |
| 00:14.35 | JordiGH | Dudes, we are SOO offtopic it's not even funny (actually, it is). |
| 00:14.45 | GarryFre | LoL |
| 00:14.46 | stoned | heh |
| 00:14.49 | stoned | its sunday |
| 00:14.51 | GarryFre | Someone noticed. |
| 00:14.52 | stoned | obviously |
| 00:14.59 | jelly-home | Wayne and Garth? |
| 00:15.01 | stoned | dude |
| 00:15.07 | stoned | those dudes rocked, dude |
| 00:15.10 | stoned | Gnarly |
| 00:15.26 | GarryFre | cat > nil rm self |
| 00:15.27 | stoned | airheads was pretty good too |
| 00:15.44 | GarryFre | er ooops. cat self | nil |
| 00:16.00 | stoned | patch make to return upon, 'make love'... (can't make love, too many arguments) |
| 00:16.10 | stoned | or not enough arguments |
| 00:16.10 | GarryFre | LoL stoned! |
| 00:16.11 | stoned | whatever |
| 00:16.52 | stoned | whee lookit me go |
| 00:16.55 | jelly-home | can be done with a line in the Makefile |
| 00:17.03 | c0rnd0g | GarryFre: maybe he wanted to record it, morph it, and hopefully help the degenerates :) |
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| 00:17.32 | stoned | I've got the hots for a quad core |
| 00:17.34 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:17.37 | c0rnd0g | jelly-home: yep wayne and garth, whatever holywood propagandic that is of tic |
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| 00:18.09 | JordiGH | Man, I'm so subscribing to d-women. |
| 00:18.11 | GarryFre | quad core (Four ten year old Pentiums packed up into one chip and sold as new technology. |
| 00:18.12 | c0rnd0g | stoned: keep the hots for a single proc athlon imho |
| 00:18.28 | c0rnd0g | stoned: imho quad core is um, i can't say it |
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| 00:18.58 | c0rnd0g | stoned: advertiement misleading to drain your automatic bipolar wallet in the name of more lcd corruption? |
| 00:19.05 | JordiGH | Are any Debian lists invite-only? |
| 00:19.27 | GarryFre | Some of the intel motherboards sold as "quadcore compatible" turned out to be fatally flawed with a bug that rendered them un-usable as quad cores |
| 00:19.55 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: in my experience of proper scorning, they are all invite-only and very harrassing |
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| 00:20.21 | c0rnd0g | GarryFre: thats what Gentoo OS was for ;) |
| 00:20.25 | JordiGH | c0rnd0g: Really? I have yet to run across one. I wonder if I'm allowed to hang out in d-women. |
| 00:20.31 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: no. |
| 00:20.38 | GarryFre | c0rnd0g: heh |
| 00:20.38 | JordiGH | c0rnd0g: I'm not? :-( |
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| 00:21.01 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: as long as you are respectful, i'm sure they won't mind. you're bound to find 1 that is not tamponic. |
| 00:21.18 | stoned | I need a couple of TB of nvram |
| 00:21.22 | c0rnd0g | stoned: lol |
| 00:21.22 | stoned | that would be nice |
| 00:21.33 | stoned | dude |
| 00:21.38 | JordiGH | tamponic? |
| 00:21.39 | stoned | immagine boot times and file access times |
| 00:21.41 | jelly-home | dude! |
| 00:21.44 | stoned | I mean seriously |
| 00:21.51 | JordiGH | I actually missed a little packaging tutorial that would have been interesting to attend to. |
| 00:21.53 | stoned | nvram hdd would kick ass |
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| 00:21.56 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: relating to the time of the annum that a Woman has headaches and short temper. |
| 00:21.58 | JordiGH | It was announced in d-women. |
| 00:22.07 | JordiGH | They're really helpful and supportive there, it seems. |
| 00:22.17 | stoned | I like women |
| 00:22.20 | JordiGH | c0rnd0g: THAT'S NOT FUNNY! |
| 00:22.25 | c0rnd0g | JordiGH: ? |
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| 00:22.42 | jelly-home | stoned: there are blackboxes with DRAM + disks + batteries instead ... when power goes off, they dump to disk |
| 00:22.44 | c0rnd0g | stoned: who doesn't if you are of the opposite sex? :) |
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| 00:23.02 | stoned | batty boys? |
| 00:23.24 | c0rnd0g | stoned: oh i forgot probly some d-women likes d-women debian collaberation too :) |
| 00:23.32 | stoned | sure why not |
| 00:23.41 | stoned | my woman like d, and she likes da women |
| 00:23.42 | stoned | ;) |
| 00:24.00 | c0rnd0g | stoned: of automatic computational collaberation that is not so hateful to emacs |
| 00:24.00 | stoned | well, she started usuing ubuntu for a time |
| 00:24.16 | stoned | I told her to let me just ssh her and fix her debian system |
| 00:24.21 | c0rnd0g | LOL |
| 00:24.24 | JordiGH | My woman: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/kristen-closeup-small.jpg also likes Debian. |
| 00:24.25 | GarryFre | say c0rnd0g I remember seeing a video about linux on a bios chip. I bet they didn't emerge on the chip. :) |
| 00:24.29 | JordiGH | A match made in heaven. |
| 00:24.49 | c0rnd0g | anything small and closeup of a women, i digress :) |
| 00:24.52 | stoned | damn |
| 00:24.55 | JordiGH | http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/kristen-dress-1-small.jpg |
| 00:24.55 | stoned | you are old |
| 00:25.03 | c0rnd0g | would rather large and fullblown |
| 00:25.10 | stoned | i mean unless you're dating an older woman |
| 00:25.16 | jelly-home | GarryFre: careful, there's #linuxbios right behing the corner |
| 00:25.31 | c0rnd0g | my eyes are bad enough :) |
| 00:26.02 | GarryFre | jelly-home heh |
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| 00:27.38 | JordiGH | Hm. She's 23. I'm 26. She'll be 24 in a couple of weeks. |
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| 00:27.54 | JordiGH | http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/kris-and-me.jpg |
| 00:27.58 | muskratmx | How do I stop and restart cups? |
| 00:28.07 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.25 | JordiGH | I guess I'm really offtopic, then. |
| 00:29.07 | stoned | shes 23? |
| 00:29.11 | stoned | goddamn dude |
| 00:29.14 | JordiGH | What? |
| 00:29.27 | stoned | nothing |
| 00:29.36 | stoned | she looks much older |
| 00:29.44 | stoned | like 33+ |
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| 00:29.48 | JordiGH | Wtf? |
| 00:29.51 | stoned | yeh no shit |
| 00:29.59 | stoned | bad pic? |
| 00:30.00 | JordiGH | Yes shit. She doesn't look that old. |
| 00:30.02 | stoned | lighting? |
| 00:30.03 | JordiGH | Maybe. |
| 00:30.05 | JordiGH | Who knows. |
| 00:30.11 | stoned | i just said what i saw |
| 00:30.15 | stoned | she is pretty though |
| 00:30.23 | stoned | just thought you guys were an older copule |
| 00:30.30 | stoned | you know like in yoru late 30s |
| 00:30.31 | stoned | hehe |
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| 00:30.52 | JordiGH | Do I look that old too? |
| 00:31.05 | stoned | I just saw the 2nd pic |
| 00:31.10 | stoned | no, but the first pic, she looks really old |
| 00:31.43 | stoned | dude |
| 00:31.48 | JordiGH | What? |
| 00:31.49 | stoned | i swear to god I'm not kidding |
| 00:31.53 | stoned | you look fucking stoned man |
| 00:31.53 | stoned | lol |
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| 00:32.05 | JordiGH | In the second pic? |
| 00:32.08 | stoned | yeh |
| 00:32.11 | stoned | you look wasted |
| 00:32.26 | JordiGH | Hm, I guess my gimping of that pic wasn't so hot. |
| 00:32.35 | JordiGH | I was trying to remove redeye. |
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| 00:33.16 | JordiGH | Are we offtopic yet? :-) |
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| 00:34.55 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 00:35.31 | JordiGH | http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/babe.jpg |
| 00:36.04 | JordiGH | Oh well. Maybe she does look old. |
| 00:36.15 | JordiGH | That's often one thing that attracts me. |
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| 00:37.14 | mot | hey |
| 00:37.20 | mot | can i actually use firefox under debian and not iceweasel? |
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| 00:37.27 | mot | if i apt-get firefox, it just snags iceweasel |
| 00:37.33 | JordiGH | mot: It would be a pain, but why would you want to? |
| 00:37.46 | mot | because i don't want to use iceweasel |
| 00:37.48 | pipeline | mot: No. I guess you could go get the pseudo-installable-package from mozilla.com |
| 00:37.49 | JordiGH | mot: Why not? |
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| 00:38.04 | mot | because if i apt-get firefox, i expect to be using firefox not iceweasel, plain and simple. |
| 00:38.05 | JordiGH | mot: Iceweasel *is* Firefox, you realise? |
| 00:38.09 | mot | yes |
| 00:38.16 | mot | so why change the name and throw on a fancy graphic? it's stupid |
| 00:38.20 | JordiGH | mot: So you're using Firefox. There's no difference except the name. |
| 00:38.21 | mot | i want to use firefox on principle. |
| 00:38.31 | JordiGH | mot: Because Mozilla threw lawyers at Debian. |
| 00:38.39 | mot | how so? |
| 00:38.52 | JordiGH | Meh. |
| 00:38.54 | JordiGH | !iceweasel |
| 00:38.54 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 00:38.55 | \amethyst | mot: Because Mozilla doesn't want it distributed without the graphics, but Debian won't distribute the graphics because they're non-free |
| 00:39.19 | mot | that's stupid on debian's part. sorry. |
| 00:39.29 | abrotman | mot: no .. mozilla said we couldn't use the FF name |
| 00:39.31 | mot | it's like wanting to buy a Ford truck but not wanting to show the logo. |
| 00:39.41 | JordiGH | mot: No, it's not on Debian's part. Mozilla said we couldn't use the name. |
| 00:39.41 | mot | every other distros/OS i've ever used has used firefox |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | the logo bit isn't the deal breaker |
| 00:39.47 | mot | sounds like a personal problem with debian. |
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| 00:40.02 | JordiGH | mot: yeah, it's a personal problem Mozilla has with Debian. |
| 00:40.06 | abrotman | !tell mot about why iceweasel |
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| 00:42.11 | DrAk0 | mot, what is actually stupid is the fact of ur complaining about use firefox and not iceweasel when is actually the SAME thing. |
| 00:42.18 | JordiGH | mot: I'm not sure I agree with Debian on other points of "zealotry" (e.g. the GFDL fiasco), but the Iceweasel thing is categorically not Debian's fault. I'm even finally warming up to the idea that the GFDL needs to get fixed. |
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| 00:44.07 | JordiGH | What I don't get is why OpenBSD gets away with removing the humping fox from the logo, and calling it "Firefox Community Edition", but Mozilla won't let Debian do the same. |
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| 00:47.34 | DrAk0 | JordiGH, cos OpenBSD is cooler |
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| 00:48.19 | Codenut | Has anyone had any problems using synergy to use multiple monitors? |
| 00:48.22 | JordiGH | If only people used it... |
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| 00:49.07 | mot | hmm |
| 00:49.14 | mot | why does debian not have beryl in it's repos? |
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| 00:49.45 | bulio | how can I setup NFS on debian? |
| 00:50.10 | philth | How come there is no VLC in apt-get? |
| 00:50.21 | bomana | stupid question time. running etch sparc64, with apache2 issues. any reason why it would not be executing all .php scripts? some seem to get goofed mime or something and firefox wants to download the script... everything looks ok to me, but something isnt right heh. ideas? |
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| 00:50.55 | Codenut | I am sorry a I am tired, ta |
| 00:51.10 | JordiGH | mot: Nobody got around to packaging it. But debian.beryl-project.org has etch repositories that work just fine. |
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| 00:51.28 | JordiGH | philth: Patent issues. You can get VLC from debian-multimedia.org, though. |
| 00:51.43 | philth | JordiGH, Seems to be a lot of those. Thanks. |
| 00:51.54 | \amethyst | bomana: do you have /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5 (or php4) ? |
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| 00:52.09 | bomana | \amethyst: yes, i have tried both |
| 00:52.14 | JordiGH | mot: I guess we really should be using Compiz fusion, but nobody seems to have released a stable etch version, and I'm quite happy with Beryl for now. |
| 00:52.14 | bomana | itll run some scripts |
| 00:52.27 | bomana | im trying a fresh drupal install now |
| 00:52.57 | bomana | it runs hte install script. i fill info in. then wants me to download install.php when i press the save button |
| 00:53.03 | JordiGH | bulio: It's quite easy. You just have to install nfs-kernel (or something like that) and edit /etc/exports in the server (man exports). The clients just need to modify their /etc/fstab to do the NFS mount. |
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| 00:53.24 | jimmygoon | Sorry for this awful question but is "sid" stable? |
| 00:53.31 | JordiGH | bulio: nfs-kernel-server to be precise. |
| 00:53.32 | epsilon | no |
| 00:53.33 | ricky | No? |
| 00:53.34 | phogg | jimmygoon: no, sid is unstable |
| 00:53.35 | JordiGH | jimmygoon: Not at all. |
| 00:53.45 | soothsayer | Anybody know how to get linux-igd working? |
| 00:53.51 | ricky | Unstable means unstable. |
| 00:53.56 | jimmygoon | thats what I thought... I was expecting the unstable label and saw sid and had to wonder for a second |
| 00:54.12 | \amethyst | jimmygoon: Software in sid changes almost daily... usually it doesn't break too bad, but you have to know how to fix broken packages, because they do happen |
| 00:54.16 | phogg | jimmygoon: sid is the code name for unstable, even though it is not a proper version and never gets released |
| 00:54.23 | epsilon | sid = unstable, for all time. only testing->stabke->oldstable's name will be shifted by eahc release |
| 00:54.27 | ricky | Somebody needs to watch Toy Story again :) |
| 00:54.31 | jimmygoon | I just want some development libraries out of it ... libboost stuff |
| 00:54.35 | jimmygoon | ricky, heh yeah |
| 00:54.49 | JordiGH | libboost? |
| 00:54.54 | jimmygoon | and I need it because ubuntu's libboost is old and screwed up |
| 00:55.03 | JordiGH | That's in etch. What do you want the unstable one for? |
| 00:55.23 | jimmygoon | JordiGH, version |
| 00:55.35 | jimmygoon | I need 1.34.1.x |
| 00:55.35 | JordiGH | You're probably better off just getting the upstream Boost libraries, then. Since they're almost all header-only, they're easy to set up. |
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| 00:55.51 | jimmygoon | JordiGH, too annoyed to sit and wait to compile :/ |
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| 00:56.08 | JordiGH | Like I said, there's nothing to compile with (most of) Boost. It's all header-only. |
| 00:56.13 | stoned | JordiGH: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/Aisha.jpg |
| 00:56.20 | arron | how can i feed awk a $variable in a bash script to do its thing to? |
| 00:56.55 | jimmygoon | mmm maybe I will just go build it, but first I'm going to enable a sid repository, and mix the unstable packages with ubuntu. that ought to go well. |
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| 00:57.00 | JordiGH | stoned: There are four females in that pic. Which one is your girlfriend? :-) |
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| 00:57.09 | JordiGH | jimmygoon: Argh. There's nothing to build. |
| 00:57.12 | zinx | JordiGH: all of them! |
| 00:57.12 | soothsayer | arron: http://www.cs.utah.edu/dept/old/texinfo/gawk/gawk_10.html#SEC59 |
| 00:57.49 | stoned | JordiGH: red dress |
| 00:57.49 | JordiGH | jimmygoon: No! Do NOT mix sid with Ubuntu. This is a very, very BAD idea. |
| 00:57.49 | stoned | JordiGH: there is only 1 |
| 00:57.49 | jimmygoon | JordiGH, :( |
| 00:57.49 | mot | what's the best utility to configure soundcards? i have a pcmcia soundcard i need to config in debian |
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| 00:58.15 | JordiGH | jimmygoon: Just get the upstream source. |
| 00:58.19 | bulio | for transferring files inside a LAN that range between 1-9GB is sftp or nfs faster? |
| 00:58.28 | JordiGH | stoned: Ah. How old is she? Early 40's? |
| 00:58.31 | jimmygoon | JordiGH, oh k |
| 00:58.33 | snowbird | alsaconf sets sound card |
| 00:58.37 | stoned | 23 |
| 00:58.44 | \amethyst | jimmygoon: better yet, get the debian source from sid and try that |
| 00:58.47 | JordiGH | stoned: wtf? |
| 00:58.47 | stoned | 22 |
| 00:58.49 | JordiGH | stoned: dude. |
| 00:58.56 | JordiGH | stoned: seriously, she looks older. |
| 00:58.56 | arron | soothsayer: i have a variable of data, i want awk to break down. if i do awk {print $1} $variable, awk looks for a file called whatever is in $variable |
| 00:58.58 | jimmygoon | \amethyst, what will that do for me? |
| 00:58.59 | JordiGH | stoned: bad pic, perhaps. |
| 00:59.01 | stoned | thats great |
| 00:59.04 | stoned | i like older chics |
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| 00:59.16 | JordiGH | stoned: And what do you look like? |
| 00:59.35 | JordiGH | arron: Tell bash to escape the variable. With single quotes. |
| 00:59.38 | JordiGH | '$variable' |
| 00:59.44 | stoned | JordiGH: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/Hash.now.pg |
| 00:59.50 | soothsayer | arron: Did you look at the link I gave? |
| 00:59.55 | arron | JordiGH thanks ill give it a try |
| 01:00.00 | jimmygoon | JordiGH, are you familiar with building boost? |
| 01:00.00 | \amethyst | jimmygoon: you'll get a debian (or ubuntu) package for the boost libraries out of the deal |
| 01:00.04 | stoned | JordiGH: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/Hash.jpg |
| 01:00.08 | bulio | anyone? |
| 01:00.09 | stoned | JordiGH: old me |
| 01:00.12 | JordiGH | jimmygoon: THERE'S NOTHING TO BUILD! |
| 01:00.25 | stoned | are you on ubuntu? |
| 01:00.27 | \amethyst | jimmygoon: and you don't have to read up on how to install it |
| 01:00.29 | stoned | just asking |
| 01:00.30 | jimmygoon | stoned, yes |
| 01:00.36 | stoned | then ask in #ubuntu |
| 01:00.38 | stoned | don't waste our time |
| 01:00.43 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 01:00.44 | stoned | we don't support ubuntu |
| 01:00.44 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
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| 01:00.51 | jimmygoon | stoned, (I was originally asking about debian repos) |
| 01:00.55 | bulio | for transferring files inside a LAN that range between 1-9GB is sftp or nfs faster? |
| 01:01.14 | arron | soothsayer: yes, i dont think that was what i was looking for, still reading though |
| 01:01.23 | JordiGH | bulio: conceivably, sftp should be slower due to the encryption, but I can't imagine any real difference. |
| 01:01.23 | jimmygoon | \amethyst, thanks for the factoid, I'll try that |
| 01:01.36 | JordiGH | Can one backport sid to Ubuntu? |
| 01:01.39 | stoned | bulio: tftp? |
| 01:01.48 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:01.54 | \amethyst | JordiGH: if the build-deps are available for ubuntu, it should work |
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| 01:02.14 | JordiGH | \amethyst: Alright. I still think jimmygoon should just get the upstream source for something as simple as Boost. |
| 01:02.33 | \amethyst | you need a /tmp, mode 1777 |
| 01:02.35 | \amethyst | doh |
| 01:02.37 | JordiGH | stoned: I don't see a doobie in your mouth. |
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| 01:02.55 | JordiGH | stoned: I'm disappointed. |
| 01:02.56 | jimmygoon | actually I think I will do upstream src because I need to add asio to it |
| 01:04.13 | JordiGH | jimmygoon: Almost all of Boost, you can just place the .hpp file in your current directory and #include it with " quotes instead of <> angle brackets. |
| 01:04.23 | keith80403 | Debian Etch - how do I force a higher resolution on a 17" monitor? Xorg refuses to go higher than 640x480, even though the monitor is capable of more - I've even changed all resolution references to 1024x768 in xorg.conf and rebooted - Suggestions? |
| 01:04.39 | xcxcss | what is the best wireless security tool/sniifer out there? |
| 01:04.44 | mot | once i install amarok |
| 01:04.47 | mot | no engines show up |
| 01:04.49 | nevyn | kismet |
| 01:04.50 | jimmygoon | JordiGH, I'm using a lot of it though (even the parts that aren't headers only), and I need the libraries that it provides (and the newest version of them) |
| 01:04.54 | mot | what packages do i need to supplement it with to play mp3s? |
| 01:04.56 | JordiGH | keith80403: Does /var/log/Xorg.0.log give a clue as to what's wrong? |
| 01:05.16 | keith80403 | JordiGH, I'll check that, thanks for the tip |
| 01:05.44 | JordiGH | keith80403: Look for messages "of insufficient memory" or something like that. Grep for (WW) and (EE). |
| 01:07.25 | keith80403 | JordiGH, OK, I just put the Xorg.log file on this machine, I'll check |
| 01:07.27 | mot | wtf |
| 01:07.29 | mot | okay so |
| 01:07.31 | mot | i installed amarok |
| 01:07.34 | abrotman | keith80403: which driver/card ? |
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| 01:07.39 | mot | installed amarok-engines + xine |
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| 01:07.48 | mot | and when i start amarok/kmix, it shows nothing |
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| 01:08.01 | mot | as in amarok says there's no engines for playback, and kmix finds no mixers |
| 01:08.03 | mot | what gives? |
| 01:08.17 | keith80403 | JordiGH, I have a few font lines like this: (WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist. |
| 01:08.26 | JordiGH | keith80403: Harmless. Read on. |
| 01:08.44 | keith80403 | JordiGH, Card is: Device "Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device" |
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| 01:08.54 | JordiGH | keith80403: Y'know, just paste it somewhere. :-) |
| 01:09.09 | keith80403 | JordiGH, Yeah, you're right, let me get to the pastebin |
| 01:09.16 | phrase | when i activate the "dynamic ticks" option, is the KernelHZ is set (100, 250, 1000) still important? dynamic sounds like its not..... thanks :) |
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| 01:10.00 | JordiGH | mot_: My first instinct is that you're missing codecs, but I've never heard of Kmix not finding a mixer... |
| 01:10.29 | snowbird | could be new copright laws |
| 01:10.49 | snowbird | could be alsa not configed? |
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| 01:11.48 | keith80403 | JordiGH, Xorg.0.log pasted to http://paste.debian.net/36083 |
| 01:12.18 | JordiGH | keith80403: Also paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf, SVP. |
| 01:12.38 | keith80403 | JordiGH, Will do |
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| 01:14.10 | mot | what the hell do i have to do to get amarok to play mp3s in debian? |
| 01:14.15 | mot | i installed amarok-engines and xine-engine |
| 01:14.22 | mot | and still it detects neither. this is getting obnoxious. |
| 01:14.28 | k-man_ | is there a "debian way" to create and manage samba shares? |
| 01:14.43 | JordiGH | mot: Oh, mp3s. Yes, you need debian-multimedia.org, I believe. |
| 01:14.43 | k-man_ | or should i just use swat or edit the samba.conf file directly? |
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| 01:15.13 | keith80403 | JordiGH, xorg.conf is pasted at: http://paste.debian.net/36084 |
| 01:15.23 | mot | JordiGH, package not found |
| 01:16.00 | JordiGH | !tell mot about Marillat |
| 01:16.29 | abrotman | keith80403: you might need a kernel memory option .. or tell it in the bios to take more than 4MB |
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| 01:16.46 | JordiGH | abrotman: This is strange. Did you see? Not using mode "1024x768" (no mode of this name) |
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| 01:17.43 | mot | GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 01:17.55 | mot | so....when i try tp apt-get update to include the debian-multimedia repos, that's what i get |
| 01:17.59 | mot | now what? =\ |
| 01:18.00 | abrotman | JordiGH: and? |
| 01:18.22 | JordiGH | abrotman: I was looking for memory errors and found that one instead. It's just new to me. |
| 01:18.23 | keith80403 | abrotman, Thanks, I'll try to track down the kernel option or the BIOS setting. |
| 01:18.24 | sicko | debian rules! |
| 01:18.47 | JordiGH | mot: Get the Marillat key. debian-multimedia.org has a FAQ thing on how to get the key, I believe. |
| 01:18.50 | k-man_ | mot, i think this site tells you how to fix the gpg thing |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | keith80403: the kernel memory option is like 'mem=<systemRAM-24>' or so |
| 01:18.52 | k-man_ | http://www.mepisguides.com/Mepis-6/media-support/debian-multimedia/debian-multimedia.html |
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| 01:19.08 | semprix | mot, gpg --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C |
| 01:19.08 | semprix | gpg --export | apt-key add - |
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| 01:20.43 | mot | well |
| 01:20.49 | mot | i installed debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 01:20.53 | mot | then did apt-get update and it worked |
| 01:20.54 | keith80403 | abrotman, Thanks, will report back. Helping my son solder some LED's and resistors (-: |
| 01:21.01 | mot | but then apt-get install debian-multimeda says package not found?? |
| 01:21.15 | semprix | mot, are you stable? |
| 01:21.29 | mot | no |
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| 01:22.46 | mot | grr this is pissing me off |
| 01:23.31 | semprix | mot, what package do you want to install? |
| 01:23.34 | keith80403 | JordiGH, abrotman, I forgot that BIOS option for the video memory, went from 1024k to 8192k, now have kx7, THANKS |
| 01:23.42 | abrotman | keith4: might want a bit more |
| 01:23.48 | JordiGH | keith80403: That fixed it? |
| 01:23.54 | semprix | mot, this is for stable archi386 |
| 01:23.55 | mot | debian-multimedia |
| 01:23.55 | semprix | http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/ |
| 01:24.04 | mot | i added the stable AND unstable repos |
| 01:24.15 | semprix | you mean the entire debian-multimedia? |
| 01:24.18 | JordiGH | semprix: mot wants to play mp3s. I thought the relevant stuff was in Marillat. |
| 01:24.40 | mot | what do i need to play mp3s? |
| 01:24.47 | semprix | xmms |
| 01:24.50 | mot | in fedora it was just amarok-extras-nonfree |
| 01:24.51 | semprix | mot, xmms |
| 01:24.55 | mot | no no no |
| 01:24.58 | mot | codec-wise |
| 01:24.59 | mot | i have amarok. |
| 01:25.18 | semprix | mot, install amarok then |
| 01:25.21 | mot | xmms isn't even updated anymore, i just want the packages/engines necessary to play mp3s via amarok. |
| 01:25.21 | semprix | !info amarok |
| 01:25.23 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.4.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 13120 kB, Installed size: 29407 kB |
| 01:25.24 | abrotman | !bts |
| 01:25.24 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:25.24 | mot | i have amarok installed |
| 01:25.37 | mot | there are no engines/codecs for it to run off of those |
| 01:25.51 | abrotman | so use another damn player |
| 01:25.55 | mot | no |
| 01:25.59 | semprix | !info amarok-engines |
| 01:25.59 | mot | i shouldn't have to. |
| 01:25.59 | dpkg | amarok-engines: (output engines for the Amarok audio player), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.4.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 0 kB |
| 01:26.02 | mot | i already installed that |
| 01:26.15 | mot | heh this sucks |
| 01:26.18 | mot | i think i'll go back to fedora. |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:26.26 | mot | debian's a full release behind anyways |
| 01:26.27 | semprix | 0_o |
| 01:26.33 | mot | lol @ 2.6.18 being "stable" |
| 01:26.34 | abrotman | mot: then just go .. stop whining |
| 01:26.38 | JordiGH | I would personally recommend converting your mp3s to ogg which compresses a whole lot better anyways, heh. |
| 01:26.40 | mot | even kernel.org says 2.6.22 is stable. |
| 01:26.55 | abrotman | mot: stop trolling and just go |
| 01:27.10 | semprix | freak |
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| 01:28.33 | simonrvn | what a moron, sheesh |
| 01:28.54 | JordiGH | I think I'm too easily baited by trolls. |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | that's a gentle word |
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| 01:29.40 | JordiGH | abrotman: Bring it on, bitch. What's the ungentle word? ;-) |
| 01:29.44 | simonrvn | behaving like a 5 year old... |
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| 01:29.57 | simonrvn | "i don't want to" |
| 01:29.59 | abrotman | JordiGH: i didn't mean you fucktard |
| 01:30.05 | Codenut | I am having trouble with X11 trying to boot and hanging my system. How do I eliminate it from the startup of the machine? |
| 01:30.11 | JordiGH | abrotman: As long as we're clear, asswipe. |
| 01:30.12 | mot | that's right "i don't want to" |
| 01:30.17 | mot | this is 2007. debian needs to catch up with the rest of gnu/linux |
| 01:30.25 | simonrvn | "* Emacs now includes multi-tty support." w00t |
| 01:30.35 | mot | i very thoroughly enjoy using debian at the server level. it is great. |
| 01:30.36 | simonrvn | mot: you need to grow a clue |
| 01:30.43 | mot | but for the end-user it's still hackeneyed. |
| 01:30.49 | JordiGH | Codenut: I think there's a non-X runlevel... |
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| 01:30.56 | simonrvn | i suggest /ignore mot |
| 01:31.01 | Arafangi1n | mot: Yeah, we should be matching fedora in unreliability. |
| 01:31.06 | Codenut | Ohhh yes runlevels |
| 01:31.32 | mot | actually |
| 01:31.59 | mot | i use several major distros on a regular basis (gentoo/fedora/debian/slack/suse) and i honestly use fedora as my personal OS because it is VERY reliable. |
| 01:31.59 | Codenut | is there an init.rd file someplace I can modify like other OS's? |
| 01:32.07 | JordiGH | Codenut: No, never mind. No default runlevel with X, unless you go single user. |
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| 01:32.37 | Arafangi1n | mot: I have used debian as my server OS, and each has been up for about 4-5 years, with extremely little admin. Is fedora up to that level yet? |
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| 01:33.09 | mot | fedora isn't designed to be used at the server level. |
| 01:33.10 | keith80403 | JordiGH, Yes, upping the video memory in the BIOS fixed the problem - thanks again for your help. |
| 01:33.20 | JordiGH | Codenut: You can remove one of the symlinks from one of the runlevels (say, /etc/rc5.d, remove gdm or kdm or whatever) and then edit /etc/inittab to run in that runlevel. There's probably a less barbaric way of doing this, but this works. |
| 01:33.28 | JordiGH | keith80403: Good thing. |
| 01:33.29 | mot | as a matter of fact, the reason i said i loved debian at the server level is specificaly because it's what we at my work use at the server level |
| 01:33.37 | Arafangi1n | mot: Gee, it must suck then(!) |
| 01:33.44 | simonrvn | yeh, it's called using the init script ;) |
| 01:33.50 | mot | but pretending it's competitive as an end-user system such as, oh, say suse, fedora, or *buntu is a joke. |
| 01:34.23 | Codenut | JordiGH: you are most helpful, thank you. |
| 01:34.26 | mot | i didn't say it sucked. i was just frustrated because even after installed xine/amarok-engines, it was still detecting no engines and there was no mp3 playback. that's a pretty simple necessity for end-users, yes? |
| 01:34.32 | Arafangi1n | mot: Seems you do not understand the word 'compete'. |
| 01:34.49 | mot | as a matter of fact, the reason i said i loved debian at the server level is specificaly because it's what we at my work use at the server level |
| 01:34.55 | mot | yea, i have no idea what the word compete means. |
| 01:35.07 | Codenut | thanks gang!! ta |
| 01:35.20 | semprix | mot, its a matter of choice anyways if you cant live with debian then go install fedira |
| 01:35.25 | semprix | fedora* |
| 01:35.35 | mot | heh i'm sitting in fedora right now. |
| 01:35.46 | JordiGH | CoolCold: simonrvn suggests the init script as the less barbaric method. |
| 01:35.47 | mot | i like debian, but some aspects of it as a user desktop are still shakey |
| 01:35.55 | simonrvn | oh it's still ranting about fedora? |
| 01:35.56 | Arafangi1n | mot: In general, most of the time people prefer fedora to debian, is due to debian simply being more legally correct and philosophically strict. |
| 01:36.00 | JordiGH | 2008 will be the year of the Debian desktop. |
| 01:36.11 | simonrvn | mot: then go to fedora, see if we care |
| 01:36.29 | mot | simonrvn, motherfuck do you read english? i just said i was using it. shut up. |
| 01:36.34 | mot | Arafangi1n, yes, point well taken. |
| 01:36.36 | \amethyst | mot: I always thought of debian as the OS that makes admins happy, not users :) |
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| 01:36.50 | Arafangi1n | mot: Heck, as far as I am aware, many of the debian dev's have also started helping with Ubuntu in terms of packages. |
| 01:36.50 | mot | i do have to respect debian in that regard - they haven't sold out. |
| 01:37.02 | mot | \amethyst, and i agree, because as an admin i LOVE debian |
| 01:37.09 | mot | as an end-user, however, it still pisses me off. |
| 01:37.17 | mot | but hey, apples and oranges, right? |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | not at all |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | it's all you |
| 01:37.26 | \amethyst | mot: As an end-user, when it pisses me off, I bug the admin |
| 01:37.38 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418773 |
| 01:37.41 | JordiGH | \amethyst: So it's YOU who's been bugging me! |
| 01:37.44 | \amethyst | mot: Usually the admin happens to be me :) |
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| 01:37.51 | mot | as both an end-user and an admin, it pisses me off. i have no one to bug. |
| 01:37.53 | abrotman | there's your amarok bug |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | if you actually were smart enough to check the bts .. you'd have found that yourself |
| 01:38.16 | JordiGH | Is that in etch? |
| 01:38.20 | JordiGH | The amarok bug? |
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| 01:38.53 | abrotman | there are dozens of amarok bugs .. i'm surprised it even runs |
| 01:39.02 | mot | runs great on fedora. |
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| 01:39.13 | abrotman | THEN GO USE FEDORA |
| 01:39.16 | JordiGH | Codenut: did that work? |
| 01:39.18 | mot | lol |
| 01:39.27 | mot | Linux motbox.localdomain 2.6.22.2-42.fc6 #1 SMP Wed Aug 15 12:34:26 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 01:39.36 | JordiGH | Codenut: I wanted to tell you that simonrvn was suggesting to use the init script as the less barbaric method. |
| 01:39.36 | abrotman | then stop bothering us |
| 01:39.42 | simonrvn | it's a hunk of crap... does too little for the resource footprint it has |
| 01:39.52 | mot | lol what? |
| 01:40.06 | mot | RFC1178? |
| 01:40.20 | JordiGH | http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1178 |
| 01:40.54 | Codenut | JordigH: Thanks, I am going to test that later. I am in bed and ehxhausted. |
| 01:41.06 | Codenut | Where is the int script? |
| 01:41.09 | mot | how does that violate it? |
| 01:41.13 | mot | "motbox" != "mot" |
| 01:41.19 | mot | therefore there is no violation. |
| 01:41.20 | abrotman | mot: ignore JordiGH |
| 01:41.30 | mot | what a retard |
| 01:41.32 | JordiGH | mot: You're specifically associating the box with yourself. In case it ever changes owners... |
| 01:41.36 | mot | dude. |
| 01:41.41 | abrotman | JordiGH: please stop |
| 01:41.41 | mot | seriousy. not to be an ass, but shut the fuck up |
| 01:41.47 | mot | i can't believe you're even serious. get a life. |
| 01:42.03 | JordiGH | Who the hell can be serious with this broad grin on their face? :-) |
| 01:42.25 | mot | i'm an admin for christ's sake, i know what naming conventions are, but referring to some hilariously antiquated pseudo-article in any other way but tongue in cheek is laughably obnoxious and awkward. |
| 01:42.31 | Arafangi1n | mot: What about when it says: Don't use your own name. |
| 01:42.36 | Codenut | hmmm I think there is a button around some where to get rid of meaners |
| 01:42.42 | mot | it's 'motbox' not 'mot' |
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| 01:42.47 | mot | oh, and my name isn't mot. |
| 01:42.50 | mot | my irc handle is mot. |
| 01:42.59 | mot | let's not get into semantics because you've already lost. |
| 01:43.07 | abrotman | mot: do you ahve a debian question ? |
| 01:43.24 | mot | do you have a spellchecker of choice? |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | obviously not |
| 01:43.43 | JordiGH | This is a first for me. Totem has problems playing a .wmv that VLC plays. Huh. |
| 01:43.55 | JordiGH | I thought they used the exact same backend. |
| 01:43.59 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:44.01 | JordiGH | w32codecs. |
| 01:44.20 | Codenut | Thanks guys, I am going to go away now, thank so much for your help. I will back tommorw. |
| 01:44.26 | JordiGH | Codenut: Rest well. |
| 01:44.37 | Codenut | JordiGH: thanks |
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| 01:45.52 | pipeline | JordiGH: uh.. no. Totem is based around, configurably, xine or gstreamer. WXVLC is based around VLC. |
| 01:46.13 | Arafangi1n | mot: What is a name, if it's not a handle to let other humans refer to a particular person? |
| 01:46.24 | c0rnd0g | eghad. |
| 01:46.37 | c0rnd0g | and Arafangiln |
| 01:46.37 | JordiGH | pipeline: I see. I thought only the codec mattered. |
| 01:46.42 | mot | Arafangi1n, an irc handle is used over the internet |
| 01:46.49 | \amethyst | oh duh |
| 01:46.56 | mot | it is not, however, used in person by anyone over the age/social capacity of say, 10 |
| 01:47.26 | mot | therefore as rfc1178 is implemented to avoid confusion, it can be reasonably concluded that nobody would run around say "hey mot, what's up with motbox" looking all puzzled and shit. |
| 01:47.33 | mot | and if they did, they maybe it's time they put down the weed. |
| 01:47.40 | mot | this conversation died 5 minutes ago. |
| 01:47.43 | mot | let it go man, let it go. |
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| 01:47.52 | abrotman | you kept it going .. good job |
| 01:48.03 | mot | not really, no, somebody else brought it up again. |
| 01:48.12 | JordiGH | But what if you got fired from the job and someone else came along to admin motbox? IMAGINE THE CHAOS!! |
| 01:48.12 | mot | brb gotta go do rounds. |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | and you just couldn't let it slide .. just had to keep going |
| 01:48.24 | mot | motbox is my personal box |
| 01:48.27 | JordiGH | Aw. I was having fun. Come back soon. |
| 01:48.30 | JordiGH | What if you sell it? |
| 01:48.31 | mot | i'm not really an admin, per se |
| 01:48.44 | mot | i work on supercomputers for a major university. |
| 01:48.52 | mot | we actually don't refer to anything by names |
| 01:48.59 | mot | but by the cluster name + no. of rack. |
| 01:49.07 | mot | which is a far better convention than an actual name. |
| 01:49.08 | mot | brb rounds. |
| 01:49.09 | JordiGH | Clearly, more people need to read RFC 1178, in that case. |
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| 01:54.59 | jdhore | please digg this: http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Linux_Vault_The_Linux_Wikipedia (not my article, i think it's a good idea and i want it to get a lot of contributors |
| 01:55.25 | abrotman | jdhore: please don't spam |
| 01:55.58 | jdhore | i know...It is wrong...but i think it's a great idea and it needs to get out there and this is the most appropriate venue |
| 01:56.52 | liable | its not appropriate at all |
| 01:57.45 | jdhore | liable, how is it not? It's linux related and it seems to me to be a good project |
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| 01:58.07 | jdhore | would you say the same thing if i asked you to digg a "Debian 4.0 released" type articlke? |
| 01:58.10 | jdhore | *article |
| 01:58.14 | abrotman | it's still spam |
| 01:58.50 | simonrvn | there are better places for that sort of thing, LIKE YOUR OWN FRICKING WEBSITE |
| 01:59.04 | liable | jdhore: do you think we would get much done here if everyone used the channel as a digg article grandstand? |
| 01:59.20 | jdhore | true |
| 01:59.36 | jdhore | simonrvn, if i had a website, i'd happily pimp it on there |
| 01:59.47 | abrotman | they give htem out for free |
| 01:59.55 | stoned | hey |
| 02:00.00 | stoned | simonrvn: check this out http://www.etresoi.ch/Denis/hologram.html |
| 02:00.04 | dvs | stoned: hi |
| 02:00.04 | stoned | very interesting |
| 02:00.09 | stoned | dvs: hi dude man homie bro |
| 02:00.10 | phlux | Debian rawx |
| 02:00.10 | jdhore | abrotman, i know...but if i have no readers, why pimp it |
| 02:00.17 | geo-rge | jdhore: it's unsolicited, it's off topic, you joined, you didn't ask first |
| 02:00.28 | dvs | stoned: hey you you New York guy dude.. |
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| 02:00.37 | stoned | nope |
| 02:00.42 | stoned | I will never |
| 02:00.45 | liable | anyway, its done. please dont do it again :) |
| 02:00.51 | stoned | do what? |
| 02:00.55 | dvs | stoned: what? you moved? |
| 02:01.00 | abrotman | hrm .. which to hate more .. old ladies on a two lane highway .. or spammers .. |
| 02:01.12 | stoned | huh? |
| 02:01.19 | stoned | what did i do? liable |
| 02:01.22 | liable | abrotman: at least you can ram the old ladies :) |
| 02:01.28 | dvs | stoned: I don't think liable was refering to you. |
| 02:01.31 | stoned | I was just here |
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| 02:01.35 | stoned | i didn't.. ohok |
| 02:01.38 | abrotman | liable: and the old ladies don't know any better ... |
| 02:01.47 | simonrvn | stoned: 2nd paragrpah is BS |
| 02:01.49 | stoned | i am baked beyond belief |
| 02:02.03 | geo-rge | yes they do but they're also scared shitless |
| 02:02.04 | dvs | stoned: so you came here? |
| 02:02.16 | stoned | simonrvn: read on, it gets even more interesting |
| 02:02.22 | simonrvn | stoned: er, 3rd one, sorry |
| 02:02.27 | stoned | simonrvn: and somehow this theory makes also a bit of sense |
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| 02:03.13 | phlux | How can I disable the whole graphical login thing? |
| 02:03.22 | stoned | !nodm |
| 02:03.22 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:03.24 | dvs | !tell phlux about nodm |
| 02:03.25 | simonrvn | !tell phlux -about nodm |
| 02:03.30 | stoned | damn |
| 02:03.47 | simonrvn | phlux: sorry dude |
| 02:03.48 | phlux | Hmm |
| 02:03.53 | c0rnd0g | phlux: rc-update -f xdm remove etc |
| 02:04.02 | phlux | I don't want to uninstall kde :| |
| 02:04.06 | simonrvn | update-rc.d |
| 02:04.11 | c0rnd0g | phlux: what simonrvn said |
| 02:04.15 | c0rnd0g | used to be rather |
| 02:04.19 | phlux | lol |
| 02:04.21 | simonrvn | phlux: uh, removing kdm doesn't mean you're removing kde |
| 02:04.22 | dvs | phlux: it won't uninstall kde |
| 02:04.26 | phlux | oh |
| 02:04.42 | c0rnd0g | phlux: what do you want? elite DOS framebuffer or emulator? |
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| 02:04.53 | simonrvn | 'kde' in debian is just a meta-package anyway |
| 02:05.11 | bulio | does anyone know of good software for an MP3 jukebox/server? |
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| 02:05.23 | abrotman | c0rnd0g: no it didn't |
| 02:05.25 | phlux | I just don't like graphical login. Sometimes, I like to just be in terminal (like when running startup scripts) |
| 02:05.25 | bulio | so I can stream media to other PCs inside/outside the network |
| 02:05.28 | geo-rge | how do I alter the config of kdm (in etch) so it's willing to accept tcp from 172.18.*? |
| 02:05.36 | c0rnd0g | phlux: just use other keys to drop to a shell unless you're stupid like me and disabled those keys to work :P |
| 02:05.45 | c0rnd0g | phlux: some drunken paranoic way :) |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | bulio: mpd |
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| 02:06.04 | phlux | I can get to a terminal, but I don't like it automatically starting in a graphical interface |
| 02:06.11 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 02:06.11 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:06.15 | phlux | Is the WM back on F9 when I leave for a terminal, though? |
| 02:06.23 | phlux | abrotman: Yeah, I got that earlier :P |
| 02:06.27 | dvs | phlux: F7 |
| 02:06.29 | simonrvn | phlux: vt7 |
| 02:06.31 | c0rnd0g | !update-rc.d |
| 02:06.31 | dpkg | hmm... update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
| 02:06.33 | phlux | Ah, F7 |
| 02:06.52 | c0rnd0g | phlux: i'm flushed. |
| 02:07.06 | phlux | It was F9 on FreeBSD, that's why I assumed. |
| 02:07.12 | phlux | I'm new to Debian |
| 02:07.15 | abrotman | technically .. it doesn't have to be f7 .. that's just the default |
| 02:07.23 | c0rnd0g | phlux: me too pretty much :) |
| 02:07.31 | stoned | man |
| 02:07.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: for sure |
| 02:07.39 | stoned | dude |
| 02:07.47 | phlux | I finally got Debian working with my wireless card today |
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| 02:07.49 | bulio | abrotman: can it be managed via a web config? |
| 02:07.50 | stoned | I love Symphony No. 25 in Gmin by Mozart |
| 02:07.53 | phlux | so I have wireless internet working perfectly |
| 02:07.54 | stoned | its so amazing |
| 02:07.58 | simonrvn | gdm ran on vt8 for a while until i explicitly set it to vt7 |
| 02:08.10 | ArkoldThos | there is a way to recover the name/etc... of a file in found+lost? |
| 02:08.11 | stoned | simonrvn: did you read it? |
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| 02:08.15 | simonrvn | no |
| 02:08.21 | stoned | bah |
| 02:08.24 | stoned | its interesting |
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| 02:08.29 | stoned | like the string theory |
| 02:08.32 | abrotman | bulio: dunno .. possibly |
| 02:08.37 | stoned | who knows, but its interesting to read about |
| 02:08.45 | simonrvn | sure |
| 02:08.47 | c0rnd0g | phlux: the new minimal install cd is good, er, was for me with limited bandwidth |
| 02:09.05 | cr0nd0g | hola |
| 02:09.10 | phlux | yeah I used the minimal install CD |
| 02:09.19 | c0rnd0g | lol cr0nd0g |
| 02:09.28 | cr0nd0g | thats right |
| 02:09.30 | cr0nd0g | lol indeed |
| 02:09.47 | c0rnd0g | phlux: upgrade to lenny from etch only took like 3 days |
| 02:09.57 | cr0nd0g | dialup? |
| 02:09.57 | phlux | Would've used the netinstall, but since it wouldn't work with my wireless card without me doing a bunch of stuff, I couldn't use the netinstall |
| 02:09.58 | c0rnd0g | no reinstall thanks gawd :D |
| 02:09.59 | ArkoldThos | is there a way? |
| 02:10.02 | phlux | 3 days? |
| 02:10.14 | phlux | Je'ez...I used to upgrade FreeBSD in a few hours :\ |
| 02:10.14 | c0rnd0g | yep off and on |
| 02:10.18 | c0rnd0g | phlux: on my avail time |
| 02:10.26 | cr0nd0g | I like netinstall |
| 02:10.30 | cr0nd0g | I think its the only way to fly |
| 02:10.36 | abrotman | meeting of the minds eh ? |
| 02:10.43 | geo-rge | but how do you swom? |
| 02:10.46 | cr0nd0g | I believe I can fly |
| 02:10.54 | cr0nd0g | because when I wrote the song I was so high |
| 02:10.57 | cr0nd0g | I believe.... I can fly. |
| 02:11.21 | cOrnd0g | we're going to start a club |
| 02:11.27 | cr0nd0g | you know, I have a laptop with sarge/testing on it which still hasn't been updated |
| 02:11.32 | cr0nd0g | guess what the problem with it is |
| 02:11.37 | c0rnd0g | cr0nd0g: then stare into the sun see if your flyers fall off :) |
| 02:11.50 | cOrnd0g | lol |
| 02:12.13 | cOrnd0g | Dang....I just had 357 updates ;o |
| 02:12.18 | cOrnd0g | :o, rather |
| 02:12.19 | c0rnd0g | cOrnd0g: :) |
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| 02:12.57 | cr0nd0g | its a powerbook 3400c, and upon boot, if I set dhcp, I get kernel panic, if I have static ip, I get no net. I can't boot from anything now, except a mac os 8 cd, which i don't have. what can I do to restore this machine |
| 02:13.04 | cr0nd0g | the only thing it is good for now is nethack |
| 02:13.09 | phlux | Anyone using compiz or beryl with Debian? |
| 02:13.51 | c0rnd0g | cr0nd0g: then stop thinking you are IBM.metagrid.INC.info :) jk... |
| 02:14.05 | geo-rge | cr0nd0g: restore? get an amd64x2 laptop |
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| 02:14.50 | abrotman | boot it with static IP and run dhclient ? |
| 02:15.31 | simonrvn | cr0nd0g: send it over here ;p |
| 02:16.05 | phlux | Can I apt-get the ATI driver for my graphics card, or is it already being used? |
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| 02:16.15 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 02:16.15 | dpkg | it has been said that fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 02:16.42 | c0rnd0g | lOL@dpkg :D |
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| 02:16.47 | c0rnd0g | !dpkg hi how are you |
| 02:16.47 | dpkg | peachy, c0rnd0g |
| 02:16.49 | phlux | What was that? |
| 02:17.11 | FredMac | please bear with me - debain nOOb. I just made room on my primary HD and installed 4.0rc1. All went ok. Net works. grub updated. Booted. Whats first step to get debian repositories for getting my sound and nvidia card working properly? |
| 02:17.12 | abrotman | phlux: that's how you get the ati binary driver on your debian box |
| 02:17.13 | simonrvn | "!dpkg" is redundant |
| 02:17.15 | c0rnd0g | dpkg: i need fresh peaches for my Port Wine Recipe, can you provide? cuz its RANK? |
| 02:17.23 | phlux | ah |
| 02:17.26 | c0rnd0g | !dpkg: i need fresh peaches for my Port Wine Recipe, can you provide? cuz its RANK? |
| 02:17.30 | abrotman | c0rnd0g: STOP |
| 02:17.35 | c0rnd0g | ok sry |
| 02:17.37 | c0rnd0g | abrotman |
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| 02:18.18 | c0rnd0g | abrotman: i just laughed at the ati ref and peaches sry i guess i was thinking of atlanta and billboards or something |
| 02:18.36 | brady | Why might apache2 deliver a blank document over https, but the correct (non-blank) document over http? |
| 02:18.39 | abrotman | c0rnd0g: it'snot funny ? |
| 02:18.45 | FredMac | I need a good "now its installed lets get it working" link. Any suggestons? |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | brady: different vhost ? |
| 02:18.55 | c0rnd0g | abrotman: but oh boy am i the hypocrite as "atlanta" is part of my gtk2 theme :( |
| 02:19.03 | dvs | brady: security module not active? |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | c0rnd0g: try talking to cr0nd0g .. he's on your level |
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| 02:19.15 | phlux | abrotman: Okay, after I do that, is there anything else I need to do? |
| 02:19.16 | abrotman | FredMac: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 02:19.25 | c0rnd0g | abrotman: sry man. i stop i was just being adolescent. |
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| 02:19.36 | FredMac | abrotman: sorry? |
| 02:19.54 | abrotman | !tell FredMac about nvidia one-liner |
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| 02:20.12 | phlux | abrotman: Don't I need to edit my xorg.conf after that? |
| 02:20.19 | FredMac | ??? |
| 02:20.29 | abrotman | FredMac: see what the bot "dpkg" told oyu in private |
| 02:20.49 | c0rnd0g | abrotman: just installed mpd... |
| 02:20.52 | abrotman | phlux: it vaguely tells you to do that with 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 02:20.58 | brady | abrotman, I have the VirtualHost |
| 02:20.58 | phlux | Ah, I see |
| 02:21.03 | FredMac | Is there no debian package? |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:21.10 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 02:21.22 | phlux | IT gave me an error, abrotman |
| 02:21.25 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you... |
| 02:21.25 | phlux | It, rather |
| 02:21.31 | abrotman | what did ? |
| 02:21.39 | brady | abrotman, Sorry, VirtualHost *:80, VirtualHost *:443, for non-ssl, ssl, respectively. |
| 02:21.41 | phlux | came up with a dialog saying "No X Server known for your video hardware." |
| 02:21.52 | FredMac | abrotman: the glx drivers are the OSS ones aren't they? |
| 02:21.54 | abrotman | brady: errors in your apache logs ? |
| 02:21.59 | abrotman | FredMac: likely |
| 02:21.59 | brady | dvs, how do I verify I have ``security module'' active. |
| 02:22.05 | brady | abrotman, I see no errors. |
| 02:22.16 | abrotman | does it say ti's serving you a file ? |
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| 02:22.18 | FredMac | I want the NVidia ones. Is there no package similar to Ubuntu? I am not on a holy crusade. |
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| 02:22.26 | dvs | brady: look in /etc/apache2/modules-enabled |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | FredMac: the bot told you |
| 02:22.30 | simonrvn | FredMac: read what the bot told you |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | and it tells you above |
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| 02:22.52 | abrotman | damn nvidia |
| 02:23.02 | brady | dvs, I have ssl enabled, if that is what you mean. |
| 02:23.02 | FredMac | What does it tell me above? How do I query the bot? |
| 02:23.08 | phlux | abrotman: Do I tell it to use the fglrx driver? |
| 02:23.13 | brady | abrotman, how do I verify? With wget? |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | that's one way |
| 02:23.22 | dvs | brady: ok |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | FredMac: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 02:23.50 | FredMac | How does one determine the installed version "code name" (e.g sarge/sid)? |
| 02:24.30 | mot | FredMac, type /exec -o uname -a |
| 02:24.33 | mot | here into the channel |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | mot: don't tell him to do that |
| 02:24.49 | mot | why not? it just prints out sysinfo. |
| 02:24.59 | mot | Linux motbox.localdomain 2.6.22.2-42.fc6 #1 SMP Wed Aug 15 12:34:26 EDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux |
| 02:25.07 | abrotman | because you don't know how many lines it's going to print on *his* system |
| 02:25.07 | FredMac | I get a kernel version. But how do I match that to Debian "code"? |
| 02:25.14 | abrotman | !tell FredMac about version |
| 02:25.49 | abrotman | FredMac: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:26.11 | FredMac | version jus gives me a number+ |
| 02:26.32 | dvs | FredMac: probably etch. What number is it? |
| 02:26.59 | FredMac | I dont know. I am now in Ubuntu as the debian install didnt set up my video card properly :( |
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| 02:27.12 | phlux | er |
| 02:27.16 | FredMac | but its latest netinst 4.0rc |
| 02:27.19 | FredMac | rc1 |
| 02:27.27 | phlux | does using 'apt-get install compiz' magically install compiz and have it work, too? :D |
| 02:27.40 | abrotman | not likely .. /msg dpkg compiz |
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| 02:27.55 | brady | abrotman, dvs: Thank you for the help. It is a MediaWiki issue. |
| 02:28.03 | abrotman | brady: ew! |
| 02:28.04 | dvs | np |
| 02:28.55 | FredMac | so would someone be so kind as to tell me my first steps in enabling repositories to get my new debian install updated to semi decent libraries such as emacs 22, latest nvidia etc? Is there a sources.list generator somewhere for debian? |
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| 02:31.32 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: You pretty much have to use the nvidia oneliner, because such companies refuse to make their software legally compatible. |
| 02:31.42 | Noven | Linux sunshine 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Wed Feb 21 16:06:54 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:31.50 | phlux | Dang...you can't use compiz with KDE? :\ |
| 02:32.08 | Arafangi1n | Linux therock 2.6.18-4-k7 #1 SMP Wed May 9 23:42:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:32.48 | FredMac | Arafangi1n: you mean they wont open their source? Their binary drivers install and work fantastically in Ubuntu. |
| 02:33.01 | edju | does the kernel or ext3 have a limit on file size? |
| 02:33.06 | Arafangi1n | edju: Yes. |
| 02:33.23 | FredMac | anyway, whats the next step. What do I add to teh repositories to get more leading edge sound & graphics drivers? |
| 02:33.31 | Arafangi1n | !nvidia |
| 02:33.31 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 02:33.32 | dvs | edju: the kernel has ext3 built in. |
| 02:33.46 | Arafangi1n | !nvidia one-liner > FredMac |
| 02:34.09 | FredMac | they are examples. I know about the one-liner. There are heaps of upgrades incuding emacs22. Where are the newer repositories for etch? |
| 02:34.11 | abrotman | sunday^sunday ? |
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| 02:35.41 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: So you suspect your repo itself has the issue? |
| 02:35.51 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: What repo are you using? |
| 02:36.17 | dvs | FredMac: the etch (stable) repository doesn't get upgraded. It's only security fixes. |
| 02:36.19 | FredMac | etch |
| 02:36.40 | FredMac | printer doesnt work, sound doesnt work, video is hamstrung. |
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| 02:36.53 | FredMac | all works fine with Ubuntu feisty |
| 02:37.28 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: Ubuntu automates it a bit more. (Which is a Good Thing - except that the way Ubuntu does it I find makes it far less reliable, in particular to upgrade) |
| 02:37.31 | FredMac | I assumed I could run with core debian kernel and use more uptodate repos. |
| 02:37.34 | geo-rge | are you getting packages from a cd? or from the net? |
| 02:37.49 | FredMac | geo-rge: was that to me? |
| 02:37.53 | FredMac | net. |
| 02:38.01 | dvs | FredMac: Only if they're meant for Debian, not Ubuntu. |
| 02:38.02 | geo-rge | ok, in the file... |
| 02:38.11 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: So, http or ftp? Why don't you just give us the repository you are using? |
| 02:38.21 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.25 | abrotman | because he's in ubuntu |
| 02:38.27 | FredMac | dvs: yes. Sorry? What repository? This is just after a fresh install. |
| 02:39.00 | dvs | abrotman: Ubuntu on one partition, Debian on the other. |
| 02:39.00 | FredMac | abrotman: exactly. Sorry, maybe I am being thick. I assumed there would be a "standard" set of repos one would add for better multimedia coverage. |
| 02:39.03 | geo-rge | FredMac: a fresh install from a cd? or from the net? or both? |
| 02:39.14 | abrotman | FredMac: there are text based irc clients |
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| 02:39.18 | dvs | abrotman: that's what I gather anyways. |
| 02:39.27 | FredMac | I know. I am using one. emacs. |
| 02:39.35 | abrotman | i mean from debian |
| 02:39.44 | FredMac | geo-rge: why? it was a netinst - boot from cd, then connect. |
| 02:39.56 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: Connect to *what*? |
| 02:40.12 | geo-rge | oh, ok... how did you go about getting emacs? |
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| 02:40.29 | FredMac | "netinst". The 'net. To a debian repository server I guess. |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | geo-rge: he's on ubuntu |
| 02:40.33 | phlux | How do I restart my X server? |
| 02:40.42 | FredMac | geo-rge: what? |
| 02:40.48 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: WHICH ONE? |
| 02:41.00 | FredMac | Arafangi1n: whichi *what*? |
| 02:41.08 | phlux | Is it even possible? |
| 02:41.15 | dvs | FredMac: which debina repository. |
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| 02:41.19 | dvs | *debian |
| 02:41.24 | FredMac | if you are referring to which "server", I dont know. The default that the netinst selected. |
| 02:41.25 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: Which damn repository - you know, that thing we've been talking about the past 10 or 20 minutes? |
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| 02:41.30 | geo-rge | FredMac: run this command: grep ^deb /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l |
| 02:41.45 | FredMac | aargh. Its a default install. I have changed nothing. |
| 02:42.07 | FredMac | wait. I will mount my debian partition. |
| 02:43.02 | geo-rge | ok, so you're having trouble with the debian side and you can't do anything and therefore you're running your ubuntu? |
| 02:43.55 | FredMac | geo-rge: why are you interested in the number of lines in my sources.list? |
| 02:44.18 | geo-rge | if it's 1, then you coudl show that line here |
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| 02:44.25 | FredMac | its not. its 21. |
| 02:44.41 | geo-rge | you ran that command and got 21? |
| 02:44.47 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: How the heck did you have 21? (We care only about those lines starting with 'deb') |
| 02:45.14 | FredMac | sorry. Wrong partition. Late, tired. Its 7. |
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| 02:45.48 | geo-rge | FredMac: again, could you run the command I specified? the number should be closer to 1 or 2 |
| 02:45.57 | FredMac | it is 7 |
| 02:46.12 | dvs | FredMac: post it on pastebin.ca |
| 02:46.14 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: You are not running a default install. |
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| 02:46.29 | Arafangi1n | FredMac: Not if you have 7 lines starting with 'deb'. |
| 02:46.48 | geo-rge | yeah, I'd like to see that too |
| 02:46.51 | FredMac | then something went wrong in semantic (it did crash too!) |
| 02:46.57 | abrotman | Arafangi1n: he could have scanned a few CDs/DVDs |
| 02:47.13 | Arafangi1n | abrotman: He says he used the netinst. |
| 02:47.19 | FredMac | Look, Its too late for me now and I need a break. I apprecaite the help and will look again tomorrow. |
| 02:47.28 | abrotman | Arafangi1n: i know what he said he did ... |
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| 02:47.42 | abrotman | Arafangi1n: people say all kinds of weird things! |
| 02:47.43 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:47.43 | dpkg | i heard qotd74 is < DrBlink> wow i didnt kno linux had an interface |
| 02:47.44 | ansong | is there a way to load a specific module from the boot prompt? |
| 02:47.45 | FredMac | abrotman: I would hardly make it up. |
| 02:47.47 | abrotman | like that! |
| 02:47.48 | geo-rge | FredMac: we will be at EXACTLY THE SAME QUESTION tomorrow |
| 02:47.49 | FredMac | anyway, cheers. |
| 02:47.53 | abrotman | FredMac: i didn't say you made it up |
| 02:47.56 | Arafangi1n | abrotman: Heh. :) |
| 02:48.04 | geo-rge | you have refused to give information necessary to help |
| 02:48.11 | FredMac | geo-rge: there is no damn question. there are 7 lines in the damn thing. i dont know how. *shrug* |
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| 02:48.26 | Arafangi1n | Hmm, a failure to read, too. |
| 02:48.32 | geo-rge | yep |
| 02:48.35 | Arafangi1n | "7 lines in teh damn thing" <-- WE DID NOT ASK THAT! |
| 02:48.40 | dvs | "What we have here is a failure to communicate" |
| 02:48.48 | geo-rge | I told him to run a specific command |
| 02:48.58 | mardi | hi, i've installed debian etch with out a DM hoping to install kde after. I'm not at "after" but I can't find kde on the dvd... I got this dvd from Linux magazine and it says it includes kde... |
| 02:49.02 | Arafangi1n | And since we are not paid for tech support, it is _not_our_problem_. |
| 02:49.09 | geo-rge | he decided to interpret the command himself and got the wrong result |
| 02:49.19 | mardi | sorry, *i'm now at "after" but.... |
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| 02:50.28 | abrotman | mardi: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 02:50.56 | ansong | mardi: if you have internet access on that pc, set up your /etc/apt/sources.list to grab the latest software online |
| 02:51.02 | mardi | abrotman: thanks, i'll give that a go! |
| 02:51.57 | abrotman | mardi: you'll eventually want ot setup HTTP sources |
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| 02:52.22 | mardi | ansong: i do have net access so i'll do that too, thanks! i'm duel booting this pc so hopefully i'll be back in etch :D |
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| 02:59.42 | politik | I'm using xnest to login remotely to another machine, and I'm able to enter the user/pass but when I enter the correct pass, nothing happens... I just get the username prompt again. if I type the wrong password, it does show an error |
| 02:59.52 | politik | any idea whats wrong? |
| 03:00.05 | geo-rge | politik: probably the .xsession |
| 03:00.23 | geo-rge | that is, what happens right after you successfully log in |
| 03:00.32 | politik | geo-rge: this is a box I can login to locally no problem |
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| 03:00.55 | geo-rge | hmm, maybe not then |
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| 03:01.01 | politik | geo-rge: is it different when logging in remotely? maybe, I don't know |
| 03:01.09 | politik | I don't really know how this is working, its magic to me |
| 03:01.13 | geo-rge | well evidently it is |
| 03:01.37 | Ecalix | anybody ever setup phynd? |
| 03:01.55 | geo-rge | how do I alter the config of kdm (in etch) so it's willing to accept tcp from 172.18.*? |
| 03:02.00 | politik | I'm doing "xnest -query IP_ADDRESS :5" |
| 03:02.25 | geo-rge | that looks fine |
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| 03:07.28 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:07.28 | dpkg | <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
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| 03:09.18 | politik | geo-rge: any idea where I would look for logs of what is happening when I try to login this way |
| 03:09.26 | politik | not the remote Xorg logs, right? |
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| 03:10.02 | geo-rge | you might try starting a plain x server on :5 vt8 |
| 03:10.30 | politik | sorry, what does that mean? |
| 03:10.33 | geo-rge | and maybe redirecting its stdout and stderr to a file |
| 03:10.42 | geo-rge | how do you start xnest? |
| 03:10.57 | politik | from another box I have |
| 03:11.06 | politik | in a KDE session |
| 03:11.10 | geo-rge | what's the command line again? |
| 03:11.20 | politik | xnest -query IP :5 |
| 03:11.26 | politik | where IP is the IP of the other box |
| 03:11.48 | geo-rge | so to start a plain x server, you would do as root: |
| 03:12.09 | geo-rge | X vt8 :5 -query IP |
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| 03:12.20 | geo-rge | and the redirecting, |
| 03:12.33 | geo-rge | X vt8 :5 -query IP > log.file 2>&1 |
| 03:12.43 | politik | what does the vt8 do? |
| 03:13.02 | geo-rge | puts the new server on ctrl-alt-F9 |
| 03:13.04 | geo-rge | err |
| 03:13.07 | geo-rge | puts the new server on ctrl-alt-F8 |
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| 03:13.25 | politik | whoa, crazy |
| 03:14.10 | politik | I had no idea you could do that |
| 03:14.16 | Arafangi1n | geo-rge: Can you run multiple x servers like that, though? |
| 03:14.27 | geo-rge | Arafangi1n: sure |
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| 03:14.43 | politik | yeah its working... same problem. nothing interesting in the log either |
| 03:14.45 | Arafangi1n | geo-rge: Wouldn't the drivers conflict? |
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| 03:15.15 | goodtod | what's the best way to manage init scripts in debian? |
| 03:15.18 | geo-rge | as long as they're (1) on their own display (like :1 instead of :0 (in his case he used :5)) and (2) on their own virtual console |
| 03:15.25 | phlux | anyone got compiz working with Debian? |
| 03:15.38 | abrotman | goodtod: update-rc.d |
| 03:15.40 | phogg | goodtod: rm, cp and ln. Or update-rc.d |
| 03:15.46 | Arafangi1n | geo-rge: I'm talking about a real x server, not just xnest or other things like that. |
| 03:15.55 | geo-rge | so am I |
| 03:15.57 | phlux | I'm getting an error when issuing compiz --replace :\ |
| 03:15.59 | politik | the weird thing is in kdm when I try to do an xdmcp login to this same remote box, I just get a black screen and I have to reboot |
| 03:16.11 | Arafangi1n | geo-rge: Nice. |
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| 03:16.35 | FredMac | !nvidia > FredMac |
| 03:16.39 | goodtod | abrotman and phogg: thanks |
| 03:16.39 | geo-rge | but your *dm has to be willing to accept tcp from you |
| 03:16.47 | phlux | GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering. |
| 03:16.48 | phlux | GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with indirect rendering. Aborting! |
| 03:16.50 | politik | after I type in my password and its accepted, all I get is a beep, and then I'm back to the username prompt |
| 03:16.52 | phlux | errors I'm getting |
| 03:17.04 | politik | I see missing fonts in the log, but thats it |
| 03:17.07 | FredMac | !nvidia |
| 03:17.07 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 03:17.18 | geo-rge | politik: so the server is up on vt8? |
| 03:17.39 | politik | yeah, I can switch to it no problem |
| 03:17.54 | politik | pretty sweet actually |
| 03:18.05 | geo-rge | when you do xnest, do you also hear the beep? |
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| 03:18.23 | geo-rge | you'd probably have to use :6 now |
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| 03:18.41 | politik | no, no beep with xnest |
| 03:18.49 | politik | (actually I'm using Xephyr, but same thing) |
| 03:19.19 | geo-rge | so no beep with either of those? |
| 03:19.23 | politik | actually if I use xnest instead of Xephyr, I do get the beep |
| 03:19.34 | politik | I guess xephyr is eating it or something |
| 03:19.43 | geo-rge | sounds that way |
| 03:21.02 | politik | too bad xephyr looks better.. the fonts don't look right in xnest |
| 03:21.11 | politik | anyhoo.... |
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| 03:24.44 | politik | geo-rge: the client end is where gdm/kdm is really running, right? so could I look there to see whats happening? |
| 03:25.32 | politik | its gdm, actually. |
| 03:25.36 | geo-rge | politik: yes. gdm or kdm are both clients |
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| 03:26.25 | stoned | i like packets |
| 03:26.41 | stoned | client/server windowing system |
| 03:26.55 | politik | geo-rge: the remote end seems to have no ~/.xsession, do I need one? |
| 03:26.56 | stoned | very good design indeed |
| 03:27.05 | FredMac | I have followed the howto here : http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. But for some reason dpkg-reconfigure is a command not found. tab completion reveals a whole host of other dpkg commands, but no reconfigure. Any idea what could have caused this? |
| 03:27.28 | geo-rge | stoned: another xlike thing? |
| 03:27.35 | stoned | what? |
| 03:27.36 | Guerin | FredMac: you're not running debian? |
| 03:27.44 | stoned | Guerin: hi |
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| 03:27.58 | abrotman | FredMac: you have to be root |
| 03:28.00 | Guerin | FredMac: either that or you're not root. |
| 03:28.05 | Guerin | stoned: gh |
| 03:28.09 | abrotman | or xserver-xorg isn't installed |
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| 03:28.14 | Guerin | well |
| 03:28.16 | stoned | ? |
| 03:28.22 | Guerin | dpkg-reconfigure would still be doable |
| 03:28.22 | FredMac | Guerin: yes. I am running debian. Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 02:19:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:28.46 | Guerin | stoned: hi gh |
| 03:28.47 | geo-rge | Guerin: right now we're trying to get him to show his sources.list... as far as I know, he probably has a dual boot and can mount the debian partition, isn't running it, maybe due to some problem? |
| 03:28.54 | stoned | oh |
| 03:29.00 | stoned | gawd, that was full of corn |
| 03:29.02 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:29.09 | dvs | corn? |
| 03:29.11 | stoned | and cheese |
| 03:29.16 | geo-rge | oh, I guess he is running it |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | why not tell him how to install a text irc client ? |
| 03:29.19 | stoned | dvs: it was corny and cheesy |
| 03:29.20 | Guerin | stoned: corny goodness, with mayonnaise on top |
| 03:29.23 | FredMac | geo-rge: I am now booted into debian. I have installed emacs22. I found a nice little "sources.list" for etch. Thanks anyway. |
| 03:29.32 | stoned | heh |
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| 03:29.37 | FredMac | Iam also chatting via erc in emacs 22, |
| 03:29.44 | Guerin | FredMac: you have my condolences. |
| 03:29.45 | stoned | !emacs |
| 03:29.45 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 03:29.53 | FredMac | Guerin: sorry? |
| 03:29.55 | Guerin | emacs is a beautiful thing, but not as an irc client |
| 03:30.02 | Guerin | FredMac: no need to apologise. |
| 03:30.04 | FredMac | Are you the groups smarty pants? |
| 03:30.07 | d34dh4ck | anyone in here familiar with the setkeycodes? |
| 03:30.16 | Guerin | FredMac: how many groups? |
| 03:30.23 | FredMac | haha. I guess you are. |
| 03:30.43 | geo-rge | so has he pastebinned his sources.list yet? |
| 03:30.48 | Guerin | yes, I'm smart, as in arse. |
| 03:30.56 | d34dh4ck | im having a problem assigning a special key on this laptop...it has a standalone $ on it and i cant figure out what the keycode i need to assign to the key is |
| 03:30.59 | stoned | haha |
| 03:31.02 | stoned | pastebinned |
| 03:31.03 | FredMac | geo-rge: did you read what I typed a few lines back? |
| 03:31.06 | dvs | geo-rge: nope |
| 03:31.33 | geo-rge | so what's your current issue? |
| 03:31.37 | dvs | stoned: better than "pastebind" |
| 03:31.47 | politik | geo-rge: I just remembered, when I ran the X Server on my windows box, I could only get through the login if I turned off the clipboard integration with the Windows machine (made it so they shared clipboards) ... but I don't think something similar is happening here |
| 03:31.54 | Guerin | i didn't think he had one |
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| 03:32.02 | Guerin | other than not being root, and using erc |
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| 03:32.22 | FredMac | A strange one. Following the wiki to install latest nvidia drivers I have no dpkg-reconfigure. sudo: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 03:32.25 | Guerin | !nickometer d34dh4ck |
| 03:32.27 | dpkg | 'd34dh4ck' is 34.000% lame, guerin |
| 03:32.37 | geo-rge | oh, well then, congratulations and have fun |
| 03:32.38 | Guerin | FredMac: we told you how to fix this. |
| 03:32.41 | FredMac | Guerin: what do you mean "not being root"? |
| 03:32.53 | FredMac | Guerin you did? Where? Maybe I missed it. |
| 03:33.04 | Guerin | FredMac: well ... you have to be root to use dpkg-reconfigure. |
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| 03:33.20 | FredMac | Guerin: and sudo is not doing that in debian? |
| 03:33.24 | simonrvn | ffs, we told him the one-liner at least an hour ago |
| 03:33.42 | FredMac | simonrvn: ffs, I dont want the one liner. I want to understand how it works. |
| 03:33.52 | simonrvn | oh boohoo |
| 03:34.01 | FredMac | Q: in debian is "sudo" not the same as "being root"? |
| 03:34.02 | Guerin | FredMac: sudo will if you set it up right, which you manifestly have not. Either use root properly or learn to use sudo such that it uses root's environment, or set your PATH correctly. |
| 03:34.10 | geo-rge | Guerin: so overall he's been holding back on info |
| 03:34.13 | simonrvn | FredMac: no |
| 03:34.13 | Guerin | FredMac: it's not the same as being root in ANY unix. |
| 03:34.35 | FredMac | Guerin: explain please. |
| 03:34.42 | Guerin | FredMac: if you want to understand how it works, see `man sudo'. |
| 03:34.52 | FredMac | keeoping in mind the difference between sudo and gksudo |
| 03:34.52 | Guerin | FredMac: and more usefully, `man sudoers' |
| 03:34.56 | robboplus | why is my tmpfs showing exactly 507MB free? is it really physically allocated in my mem? |
| 03:35.05 | Guerin | FredMac: gksu is irrelevant. |
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| 03:35.11 | FredMac | ok, will go read. Never had this difficulty in Ubuntu with Sudo. Maybe they work differently. |
| 03:35.18 | simonrvn | FredMac: no difference between gksudo or sudo |
| 03:35.23 | FredMac | simonrvn: wrong. |
| 03:35.32 | Guerin | FredMac: ubuntu sets it up a particular (unique and quite non-standard) way by default. |
| 03:35.44 | zinx | robboplus: it doesn't take any more than what's stored in it takes |
| 03:35.59 | robboplus | zinx hm even if it says 507MB size? |
| 03:36.00 | Guerin | FredMac: gksu is nothing more than a wrapper around sudo. They may APPEAR tto be different, but in fact they are not. |
| 03:36.05 | phlux | Why are my questions unanswered? :\ |
| 03:36.05 | FredMac | Guerin: ok. I thought this would be tricky and I was right. I will go and check sudoers again (I did add myself to the sudoers file with a duplicate of the root entry) |
| 03:36.12 | simonrvn | ooh i guess having a gtk frontend makes all the difference, right? i'm soooo wrong |
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| 03:36.21 | Guerin | FredMac: that's amazingly unwise. |
| 03:36.24 | Guerin | but hey |
| 03:36.24 | FredMac | Guerin: that is not the case in Ubuntu anyway, |
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| 03:36.42 | zinx | robboplus: yes |
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| 03:36.51 | Guerin | FredMac: right ... because ubuntu just reinvented it without changing the name. |
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| 03:36.53 | FredMac | Guerin: you are a smug arsehole. I came for help, not tuts and clicks and half answers. So basically shag off. |
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| 03:37.02 | Guerin | !customer |
| 03:37.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:37.03 | robboplus | oh rofl |
| 03:37.18 | simonrvn | effing cluebie |
| 03:37.19 | robboplus | that's like the first time i have seen someone telling that to Guerin... |
| 03:37.27 | Guerin | robboplus: you must be new here. |
| 03:37.32 | robboplus | not really |
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| 03:38.02 | Arafangi1n | robboplus: Relatively speaking. |
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| 03:38.12 | robboplus | zinx other words i take it that the 507MB size of tmpfs is just bogush? |
| 03:38.17 | robboplus | Arafangi1n he he |
| 03:38.22 | simonrvn | phlux: what's up? |
| 03:38.29 | Guerin | robboplus: mu mutant power is pissing off egotistical fools |
| 03:38.35 | Guerin | s/mu/my/ |
| 03:38.37 | zinx | robboplus: it's the maximum that can be stored on the tmpfs |
| 03:38.38 | robboplus | Guerin lol |
| 03:38.41 | phogg | Help! I am blindly typing commands I learned on another OS and they aren't doing what I expect! Why is Debian broken? |
| 03:38.51 | Guerin | !beer phogg |
| 03:39.02 | robboplus | zinx is that related to the # of free mem on my box or is there another reason for which it's just 507? |
| 03:39.04 | zinx | robboplus: so, no, it's not bogus.. it just doesn't imply that the memory is actually tied up yet |
| 03:39.05 | simonrvn | phogg: heheh |
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| 03:39.12 | robboplus | s/#/amount |
| 03:39.27 | zinx | robboplus: it defaults to allowing a maximum of some percentage of the machine'sram by default |
| 03:39.27 | robboplus | zinx i read you |
| 03:39.36 | zinx | robboplus: you can also set it to whatever you want |
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| 03:39.52 | robboplus | zinx many thanks, now i understand |
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| 03:40.22 | robboplus | so basically unless i need more than 507 i shouldn't touch it |
| 03:40.41 | robboplus | and it takes NO physical mem unless i mount it and start storing stuff |
| 03:40.56 | simonrvn | pretty much |
| 03:41.11 | robboplus | finally i get it :) thank you |
| 03:41.13 | simonrvn | and often it'll get swapped out anyway |
| 03:41.21 | robboplus | err hm |
| 03:41.28 | robboplus | will it? |
| 03:41.43 | simonrvn | it doesn't get locked into physical ram (unless they changed it) |
| 03:41.53 | robboplus | did you mean that i shoudn't trust tmpfs? |
| 03:42.05 | robboplus | shouldn't* |
| 03:42.23 | simonrvn | i didn't say that |
| 03:42.27 | zinx | robboplus: it will get swapped.. if you're wanting it for security, then you should either have a swap encrypted with a random key, or use a pure-ram-based fs |
| 03:42.40 | zinx | robboplus: if you just want it for files there's no problem with it |
| 03:42.49 | robboplus | oh that you meant |
| 03:43.02 | robboplus | so it physically goes into swap after some time |
| 03:43.05 | zinx | yeah |
| 03:43.11 | zinx | it's nothing you'll even know about |
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| 03:43.31 | robboplus | but that means lowering performance on busy files like logs etc. |
| 03:43.35 | zinx | it just means you don't have to worry about it taking memory when other stuff needs it more (but it won't lose data ever, until you reboot/unmount it of course) |
| 03:43.37 | robboplus | that's what i would like to use it for |
| 03:43.43 | zinx | no it doesn't |
| 03:43.50 | robboplus | hm |
| 03:43.57 | zinx | it will compete for real memory like all other applications - if it really needs it, the performance won't be lowered |
| 03:44.18 | robboplus | oh then if there is plenty of mem free it will never get swapped, right? |
| 03:44.22 | zinx | (i.e., parts that are being accessed will stay in ram, only parts that are idle will swap) |
| 03:44.23 | AstroGirl | Hi, i'd like to use http://mirror.pacific.net.au in my sources list. Can anyone please tell me exactly what i need to put in my sources list to make it work? |
| 03:44.26 | zinx | correct |
| 03:44.45 | robboplus | but then again, is there a BETTER solution than tmpfs that i could use? |
| 03:45.08 | zinx | i'm not sure what the problem you want to solve is :) |
| 03:45.10 | robboplus | what i need is just about 100MB of totally "in mem" filesystem |
| 03:45.16 | AstroGirl | sorry I meant http://mirror.pacific.net.au/pub1/ |
| 03:45.28 | robboplus | that will never touch my real hdd |
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| 03:45.43 | zinx | why does it need to never touch your real hdd? |
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| 03:45.54 | dvs | AstroGirl: deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/pub1 etch main contrib |
| 03:45.55 | simonrvn | speed i guess |
| 03:45.58 | zinx | (also, that's not the problem, that's the solution) |
| 03:46.00 | robboplus | because that's for some really busy log files that are killing my drives 24/7 |
| 03:46.11 | simonrvn | might as well stick in non-free if you're including contrib |
| 03:46.13 | zinx | tmpfs will be fine for that |
| 03:46.18 | politik | so when I login through gdm, what determines what happens right after the login? e.g. GNOME starting? |
| 03:46.18 | robboplus | i would rather like them to be written into mem and eventually rotated once per hour or so |
| 03:46.30 | zinx | do note that when you reboot you will either need to save the logs or deal with losing your logs on reboot, if you do that |
| 03:46.40 | robboplus | right i read you |
| 03:46.49 | zinx | anyway, tmpfs should be fine for that |
| 03:46.56 | robboplus | but i could also just cp files to hdd every hour or so |
| 03:47.15 | AstroGirl | dvs: When I try that, it says "err http://mirror.pacific.net.au etch/contrib Packages 404 Not Found |
| 03:47.30 | robboplus | and that's what i plan instead of having 6-8 logs being written to the drive every second |
| 03:47.39 | robboplus | i hope it makes sense what i'm trying to do |
| 03:47.48 | dvs | AstroGirl: deb http://mirror.pacific.net.au/pub1/debian etch main contrib |
| 03:47.50 | dvs | try tyat |
| 03:47.52 | dvs | *that |
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| 03:48.27 | AstroGirl | that worked dvs! thanks much! |
| 03:48.31 | dvs | no prob |
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| 03:48.44 | robboplus | many thanks once again zinx |
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| 03:51.59 | AstroGirl | dvs: Do I also need to have the deb-src http... line in the sources.lst? |
| 03:52.15 | dvs | AstroGirl: only if you want to compile stuff from source |
| 03:52.28 | AstroGirl | aah, ok, thanks dvs |
| 03:52.34 | dvs | np |
| 03:53.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | robboplus, but writing something to the disk every second will also be buffered in memory |
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| 03:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so probably it's not really written every second... |
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| 03:56.55 | Sisk | I really gotta get this damn laptop back to Debian...E-Live is driving me nuts. |
| 03:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatsan elive |
| 03:58.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like olive.... but that cant be it, right? |
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| 03:58.18 | Sisk | It's a distro built around Enlightenment. Kinda neat at first, but the user-friendly stuff gets anoying |
| 03:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 03:58.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !enlightment |
| 03:58.54 | liable | !e16 |
| 03:58.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... some kind of windows manager, I think |
| 03:58.59 | geo-rge | (or, /msg dpkg enlightenment) |
| 03:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hello |
| 03:59.07 | dpkg | Hi, cutmeownthroat! |
| 03:59.17 | geo-rge | (or, /msg dpkg hello) |
| 03:59.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, fine to see you're alive, dpkg |
| 03:59.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, well... got the impression it's very "crowded" in here right now? |
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| 04:00.03 | Sisk | Yeah, it's a WM. I never cared for e16, but e17 is slick. |
| 04:00.21 | geo-rge | well consider that every line will be sent out 712 times |
| 04:00.27 | geo-rge | so yes, it's crowded |
| 04:00.43 | robboplus | he he |
| 04:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but nobody will actually read it... |
| 04:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what |
| 04:01.00 | robboplus | correction: 711 |
| 04:01.03 | geo-rge | but the server will send it. |
| 04:01.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | 710 :) |
| 04:01.10 | geo-rge | that's the answer to "so what" |
| 04:01.39 | robboplus | hm 709 |
| 04:01.45 | Sisk | Heh, just a little bit of overhead |
| 04:01.47 | robboplus | as it won't be send to geo-rge |
| 04:01.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | count-- |
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| 04:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | still so what... it's not like propagating some GB of pron or films or music or whatever |
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| 04:03.12 | geo-rge | CutMeOwnThroat: I think the point is, the less unnecessary crap the better |
| 04:03.21 | robboplus | he he |
| 04:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it has more information in it than * eisen has quit (Nick collision from services.) |
| 04:03.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is transmitted relentlessly |
| 04:03.55 | geo-rge | that is true... |
| 04:04.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:04.00 | robboplus | we just made lots of crap :) |
| 04:04.07 | geo-rge | also true. |
| 04:04.09 | robboplus | 2k or so |
| 04:04.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways.. I thought... somewhat IRC is all about talking a lot of useless crap |
| 04:04.26 | robboplus | not really |
| 04:04.38 | Sisk | It's not? |
| 04:04.39 | geo-rge | not on a topicked channel |
| 04:04.48 | robboplus | you meet peple of all walks of life on irc and i love it |
| 04:04.53 | robboplus | people* |
| 04:04.58 | Sisk | Ah, good point. |
| 04:05.12 | robboplus | and really, people got educated since 90s |
| 04:05.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might be on-topic crap :) |
| 04:05.20 | robboplus | i still got logs from that time... |
| 04:05.29 | geo-rge | of course there are the odd moments (like this one I suppose) |
| 04:05.37 | robboplus | CutMeOwnThroat not for me.. each time i come here i learn something |
| 04:05.45 | robboplus | geo-rge he he |
| 04:06.16 | geo-rge | it's not like a debian release party |
| 04:06.26 | robboplus | basically anything in life is... crap |
| 04:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, and we all just learned that dpkg apparently has no clue about enlightment... |
| 04:06.39 | geo-rge | which have probably been known to melt servers down 10 at a time |
| 04:06.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | You and me both, bro |
| 04:06.44 | robboplus | it's up to people to find a sense in what they are doing |
| 04:06.45 | Ecalix | anybody ever setup phynd? |
| 04:07.05 | geo-rge | and no enlightenment about clue |
| 04:07.11 | robboplus | rofl |
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| 04:07.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh |
| 04:07.16 | Sisk | Enlightenment isn't terribly popular. |
| 04:07.35 | geo-rge | nor is clue if this is any indication :) |
| 04:07.36 | robboplus | good one |
| 04:08.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ge $5 into the corny-joke cash box, please |
| 04:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
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| 04:08.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:08.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !clue |
| 04:08.21 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg |
| 04:08.22 | robboplus | lmao |
| 04:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 04:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:08.45 | Sisk | Heh |
| 04:09.18 | ameyer | !cluebat |
| 04:09.19 | dpkg | *WHACK* *WHACK* *WHACK* |
| 04:09.25 | robboplus | i had this clue about beer lately |
| 04:09.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, beer |
| 04:09.35 | robboplus | and it definetly was the right track |
| 04:09.38 | geo-rge | did you investigate? |
| 04:09.42 | robboplus | yes i did |
| 04:09.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I knew i forgot to buy something when I went shopping |
| 04:09.56 | robboplus | ameyer he he |
| 04:10.13 | Sisk | Beer....maybe if I were in another country where they actually know the meaning of the word. American beer is just nasty though |
| 04:10.26 | robboplus | i must say i'm going to investigate some more soon |
| 04:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | They gotta lot of imported beer though |
| 04:10.43 | robboplus | to really find the truth hidden out there |
| 04:10.44 | Sisk | Meh, even the Guiness sucks here. |
| 04:10.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's as expensive as the local one... or as cheap |
| 04:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends how you see it |
| 04:11.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | robboplus, the truth is always hidden at the bottom of the *next* bottle of beer :) |
| 04:11.36 | robboplus | lmao |
| 04:11.43 | Sisk | Heh |
| 04:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I must apologiye to geo-rge, but |
| 04:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !beer |
| 04:12.01 | dpkg | from memory, beer is liquid gold mate |
| 04:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 04:12.08 | robboplus | and where is the enlightenment? |
| 04:12.18 | geo-rge | and where is the clue? |
| 04:12.26 | robboplus | hm |
| 04:12.36 | robboplus | it takes a lot of beer to find out |
| 04:12.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | enlightment, you will find the next day... |
| 04:12.42 | robboplus | rofl! |
| 04:12.45 | geo-rge | I guess clue can produce enlightenment |
| 04:12.48 | Sisk | The enlightenment is printed on the bottom of the case. You must first empty the case to find it. |
| 04:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | when you will find out, that the *last* beer you drunk was "bad" :) |
| 04:12.52 | robboplus | really laughing now |
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| 04:13.00 | geo-rge | but it's only a 50/50 chance at best |
| 04:13.01 | Guerin | man |
| 04:13.08 | Guerin | this weekend the rugby world cup starts |
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| 04:13.26 | Guerin | games run from about 0200 until about 1000 |
| 04:13.39 | Guerin | it's going to be tough getting up at 0200 and hooking into a case of beers |
| 04:13.40 | earnest | does debian support a linksys usb nic card? |
| 04:13.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | thatsallotoffigures |
| 04:13.43 | robboplus | and what does it have to do with beer? :) |
| 04:13.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I dont have no beer not |
| 04:14.03 | robboplus | games... beer... debian... no clue :s |
| 04:14.19 | Sisk | earnest: if not there's always ndiswrapper. |
| 04:14.25 | Guerin | robboplus: well, rugby without beer is like steak without onions |
| 04:14.37 | robboplus | Guerin true. true. |
| 04:14.38 | earnest | Sisk: what does ndiswrapper do? |
| 04:15.06 | Guerin | earnest: it depends on the card whether they're supported |
| 04:15.12 | Guerin | i've used some usb NICs with success |
| 04:15.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft... kinda shame on you for bringing us on-topic again |
| 04:15.15 | robboplus | !ndiswrapper |
| 04:15.15 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper was a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (i386 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 04:15.23 | Sisk | Lets you use Windoze wireless drivers in Linux. I guess I shouldn't be assuming you mean a wireless one. |
| 04:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or !tell ernest about ndiswrapper) |
| 04:15.39 | Guerin | ndiscrapper does its best to fuck your system up horribly, and sometimes has the side-effect of making your card work |
| 04:15.42 | Guerin | nadly |
| 04:15.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | geo-rge, right? |
| 04:15.47 | Guerin | badly, even |
| 04:16.01 | Sisk | Never tried to use it myself |
| 04:16.16 | earnest | it's a wireless one |
| 04:16.25 | earnest | i can always take it back to the store... |
| 04:16.28 | robboplus | there is a good chance that it will work |
| 04:16.30 | Guerin | earnest: find out what chipset is on it. |
| 04:16.34 | earnest | which usb-wireless-nic-card should i buy? |
| 04:16.39 | earnest | how do i find the chipset? |
| 04:16.44 | earnest | what's a chipset? |
| 04:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a chip? :) |
| 04:16.54 | Guerin | earnest: if you HAVE to buy a usb wlan card, buy a Ralink rt73 |
| 04:16.55 | earnest | robboplus: good chance? good :) i feel better |
| 04:16.56 | robboplus | lspci |
| 04:17.03 | Guerin | earnest: asus make one, and it works well |
| 04:17.26 | earnest | ralink rt73? let me find it online |
| 04:17.31 | Sisk | Personally, I use an old Oronico card. Dunno if they still make them though. |
| 04:17.39 | robboplus | Orinoco |
| 04:17.48 | Sisk | Yeah, that |
| 04:17.51 | Guerin | earnest: ASUS WL-167G |
| 04:18.01 | Guerin | earnest: I know for a fact that one works |
| 04:18.20 | robboplus | btw that's oem.. asus never made them :) |
| 04:18.38 | pipeline | Here's the fun thing about wireless |
| 04:18.40 | robboplus | same with most of their stuff |
| 04:18.43 | pipeline | in order to appeal to corporate purchasers |
| 04:18.44 | Guerin | well ... this one came in an asus-branded box with an asus-branded driver disk and manual |
| 04:18.50 | pipeline | all the mass market brands change their damned chipsets twice a week |
| 04:18.56 | earnest | let me see the asus one |
| 04:18.59 | pipeline | the model name will change little, if at all, but the hardware in the box will be different. |
| 04:19.00 | robboplus | Guerin that's because it's a very quality oem he he |
| 04:19.01 | Guerin | pipeline: yep. Without changing anything else in the spec. |
| 04:19.11 | pipeline | so... don't listen to any of this tripe. |
| 04:19.16 | Sisk | Heh, no wonder we have so much trouble getting drivers |
| 04:19.22 | pipeline | If you can't afford 3com/Intel/Cisco, just go buy any old damn thing. |
| 04:19.23 | earnest | hehe, they're cheaper than the one i bought |
| 04:19.29 | earnest | what a fool i am |
| 04:19.29 | pipeline | When it doesn't work, return it, get a different one. |
| 04:19.31 | Arafangi1n | Guerin: Ironically, I find that the asus drivers for my laptop are absolute /crap/, even for windows, and Ubuntu linux works better than windows. (Oh, the irony for a laptop designed for winXP!). |
| 04:19.39 | Sisk | Linksys is technically Cisco |
| 04:19.39 | pipeline | If you can't afford the good stuff, trial and error is your best hope. |
| 04:19.55 | pipeline | Sisk: And your ass is technically bacon. |
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| 04:20.08 | politik | geo-rge: is there a way to start X in the opposite way? that is, to make the client try to connect to the server? I think in that case I don't need to turn on xdmcp, right |
| 04:20.14 | earnest | im gonna try this one i bought just now |
| 04:20.14 | robboplus | linksys *is* cisco |
| 04:20.18 | earnest | if it doesnt work, i'm taking it back |
| 04:20.23 | Guerin | well ... no |
| 04:20.24 | earnest | and i will then buy this asus |
| 04:20.27 | robboplus | home products line of cisco to bex exact |
| 04:20.31 | robboplus | be* |
| 04:20.37 | Guerin | cisco is cisco |
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| 04:20.42 | Guerin | linksys is linksys |
| 04:20.52 | Sisk | Actually, didn't they nuke the linksys brand and just start putting Cisco on everything a couple weeks ago? |
| 04:20.54 | Guerin | porsche is porsche, and volkswagen is volkswagen |
| 04:20.56 | robboplus | linksys != cisco for SOHO? |
| 04:20.59 | geo-rge | politik: if you have xbase-clients installed on both sides, you can ssh in and start them from the ssh |
| 04:21.02 | robboplus | !linksys |
| 04:21.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, linksys is manufacturer of a hairy but good ethernet card. Ask for etherfast4-config. makes crap routers, or <nslu2> |
| 04:21.09 | robboplus | lol |
| 04:21.19 | Guerin | robboplus: see ... when you have to qualify it with `for SOHO' then it's not the same, innit? |
| 04:21.29 | robboplus | right |
| 04:21.39 | Guerin | mazda is also ford, BTW |
| 04:21.40 | geo-rge | I thought dlink was cisco |
| 04:21.56 | Sisk | Dlink would like you to think that.. |
| 04:21.57 | robboplus | now i'm seriously confused |
| 04:22.19 | robboplus | as i really thought that linksys was cisco's sister company |
| 04:22.26 | Sisk | Not sister. |
| 04:22.56 | Sisk | Linksys was the consumer brand of Cisco. They decided they didn't need two brands not too long ago |
| 04:22.57 | robboplus | so is there ANY connection between cisco and linksys or not? |
| 04:23.02 | geo-rge | it might be |
| 04:23.15 | robboplus | hm. |
| 04:23.20 | Sisk | So Cisco is going to be marketing everything that was Linksys as Cisco now |
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| 04:23.34 | Sisk | Look close at a Linksys router and you'll find a Cisco logo |
| 04:23.40 | robboplus | then linksys was cisco |
| 04:23.42 | Sisk | Most of them anyway. |
| 04:24.23 | robboplus | and really, i can't imagine a cisco logo on a $30 router :) |
| 04:24.28 | Guerin | earnest: please don't /msg me. Before you buy anything, check it works - check the chipset it contains. Once you have that done, you should be able to find an install guide on the interwebs. |
| 04:24.31 | robboplus | it just doesn't look right he he |
| 04:24.31 | geo-rge | it now looks like: (not necessarily "linksys was cisco" but) "linksys was" |
| 04:24.56 | robboplus | that's in fact true, geo-rge |
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| 04:25.03 | Arafangi1n | Wether linksys is/was/willbe/whatever/isrelated to cisco is irrelevant. |
| 04:25.08 | Guerin | quite |
| 04:25.13 | Guerin | they're different gear |
| 04:25.29 | Arafangi1n | If the parent company chooses to provide produces under a /different name entirely/, then there must be a reason to do so. |
| 04:25.29 | Guerin | as anyone who's ever had to make an industrial-strength network using linksys gear will tell you |
| 04:25.38 | Sisk | http://www.theregister.com/2007/07/30/cisco_linksys_canned/ |
| 04:26.01 | Arafangi1n | For example, cisco might be knowingly making crappier products and selling them as linksys, so as to not crap up their good cisco brand. |
| 04:26.19 | robboplus | that's right. |
| 04:26.20 | Sisk | Yes, they are different gear. Linksys stuff is designed for consumers and Cisco stuff is more business/enterprise oriented |
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| 04:26.54 | Guerin | what is a one-word definition of `almost identical'? |
| 04:27.04 | Sisk | similar |
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| 04:27.07 | Guerin | no |
| 04:27.09 | Guerin | different |
| 04:27.13 | robboplus | hm |
| 04:27.24 | robboplus | comparable? |
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| 04:27.30 | Guerin | a one-word definition of almost right? |
| 04:27.31 | tabris|away | What's a biologists word for a static, unchanging system? |
| 04:27.32 | tabris|away | dead. |
| 04:27.33 | ameyer | linksys == shiznit |
| 04:27.47 | robboplus | tabris|away lol |
| 04:27.49 | Sisk | If Cisco is Linux friendly you could expect the same from Linksys though. |
| 04:27.58 | Sisk | Which is kinda the whole point |
| 04:28.05 | ameyer | I've had so many problems with linksys shit being buggy as hell |
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| 04:28.31 | robboplus | isn't linksys linux based? |
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| 04:28.35 | robboplus | at least some models |
| 04:28.36 | bluequijote | we can install linux on cisco router 2600 |
| 04:28.37 | Sisk | Some of it. |
| 04:28.45 | robboplus | bluequijote can you? |
| 04:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, well... more real is the mathematical definition of "nearly everything" :) |
| 04:28.48 | misspiggy | hey folks |
| 04:29.03 | misspiggy | i have a debian question |
| 04:29.06 | Guerin | CutMeOwnThroat: right, you're onto it. If it's not the same, it's not the fucking same. |
| 04:29.12 | bluequijote | I see on a weppage |
| 04:29.13 | robboplus | hey miss |
| 04:29.36 | Arafangi1n | Sisk: Not neccessarily. |
| 04:29.38 | misspiggy | i would like to build from sources but i also REALLY like the whole .deb phenomenon |
| 04:29.42 | bluequijote | let me look the webside |
| 04:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Guerin, the definition of "nearly everything" is "everything except a finite number" |
| 04:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | IIRC |
| 04:29.53 | robboplus | misspiggy just got for it |
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| 04:30.05 | misspiggy | can i build a .deb package from sources? |
| 04:30.05 | robboplus | misspiggy unless you are really building something special |
| 04:30.17 | Sisk | Well, considering that the whole discussion was started by someone asking if Debian supported his Linksys NIC... |
| 04:30.17 | c0rnd0g | !dpkg source |
| 04:30.17 | dpkg | dpkg source is, like, in dpkg-dev |
| 04:30.31 | misspiggy | robboplus: python 2.5 |
| 04:30.34 | robboplus | Sisk that's irc :) |
| 04:30.48 | robboplus | misspiggy mmm |
| 04:31.20 | politik | what determines what happens after I enter my user/password in gdm? |
| 04:31.23 | robboplus | Sisk btw that guy is gone long ago he he |
| 04:31.23 | Sisk | Heh, yeah, true. I haven't had much time to get on IRC since long before I switched to Linux. |
| 04:31.24 | ivan` | misspiggy: trying to compile python 2.5 modules? |
| 04:31.30 | misspiggy | i built 2.5 but it didn't include readline or a bunch of other modules - but we addressed that on #python |
| 04:31.37 | misspiggy | ivan: yes |
| 04:31.43 | misspiggy | and python 2.5 |
| 04:31.48 | ivan` | why not do apt-get install python2.5 |
| 04:31.50 | Sisk | robboplus: That figures LOL |
| 04:32.00 | misspiggy | latest python package i could find was 2.4 |
| 04:32.01 | geo-rge | misspiggy: from debianized sources? trivial. from not-yet-debianized sources? that's what debian packagers do |
| 04:32.08 | ivan` | misspiggy: install with apt not manually |
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| 04:32.12 | misspiggy | geo - sources from python.org |
| 04:32.26 | ivan` | misspiggy: delete your compiled python and apt-get it |
| 04:32.36 | misspiggy | is there a 2.5 in stable? |
| 04:32.39 | c0rnd0g | no |
| 04:32.40 | ivan` | heh, stable |
| 04:32.50 | c0rnd0g | there is 2.2 for stable. |
| 04:32.54 | ivan` | you mean 1.5? |
| 04:32.57 | misspiggy | ivan: i can't figure out how to get apt to locate packages not in stable |
| 04:33.05 | misspiggy | i'm obviously an idiot |
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| 04:33.15 | ivan` | there are backports, or you can switch to unstable |
| 04:33.24 | Sisk | Or testing |
| 04:33.26 | ivan` | or even to ubuntu which has nicer python2.5 packages |
| 04:33.26 | Guerin | !sid evangelism |
| 04:33.27 | dpkg | hmm... Sure, run Sid all you like - do as you please - just don't advise inexperienced users to run unstable as their main Debian install. If you do, you get to help them exclusively, and #debian gets to curse your name for ever more. |
| 04:33.33 | c0rnd0g | misspiggy: well, considering your name, you are probably very intelligent. |
| 04:33.43 | c0rnd0g | pigs are very smart, actually. |
| 04:33.46 | misspiggy | misspiggy is a nickname |
| 04:33.52 | ivan` | that's how it works on irc |
| 04:33.55 | misspiggy | and i am not a miss |
| 04:34.01 | geo-rge | missnickname is a piggy? |
| 04:34.02 | Guerin | dogs aren't as smart as pigs, clearly |
| 04:34.04 | c0rnd0g | lol |
| 04:34.23 | c0rnd0g | pigs are clearly more intelligent even that two-leggeds |
| 04:34.28 | misspiggy | obviously i need to change my nick to something like "butch" or "packageman" or something |
| 04:34.30 | geo-rge | so you're married with children? |
| 04:34.30 | Sisk | Ugh...Ubuntu...of the half dozen or so distros I've used that's the only one to ever crash when I wasn't doing something stupid. |
| 04:34.37 | misspiggy | geo: no |
| 04:34.38 | c0rnd0g | because my website is pigsnpets.com jk... |
| 04:34.43 | robboplus | i know some guys that aren't really as smart as a dog... |
| 04:34.50 | misspiggy | corndog: <giggle> |
| 04:34.56 | robboplus | not to mention pigs |
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| 04:35.27 | c0rnd0g | misspiggy: if you aren't a `miss` yet name implies a `miss` i guestion your sexual confusion. |
| 04:35.39 | misspiggy | i have waded my way through so much online documentation i thought it might be nice to chat with some real live human beings for a change |
| 04:35.44 | Guerin | misspiggy: i recommend d4rksh4d0wn1nja for great g33k 1337n355 |
| 04:35.55 | c0rnd0g | LOL @ Guerin |
| 04:36.00 | misspiggy | brb\ |
| 04:36.09 | Guerin | c0rnd0g: this may come as a shock to you, but nothing you read in irc can be taken as true |
| 04:36.27 | robboplus | why do you think so? |
| 04:36.28 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: that is why i am nothing but fallacy and a lie. |
| 04:36.34 | Sisk | The greatest truth I've ever seen in IRC |
| 04:36.37 | Guerin | c0rnd0g: you say that, but how do we know? |
| 04:36.49 | Guerin | etc. |
| 04:36.50 | c0rnd0g | the greatest truth is a pure steel lie. |
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| 04:36.58 | robboplus | it only happened ONCE that someone here mislead me |
| 04:37.10 | Guerin | robboplus: once that you figured it out |
| 04:37.17 | Arafangi1n | misspiggy: Just do a /nick with a more appropriate one, piggy. |
| 04:37.19 | c0rnd0g | truth is negated by the beauty in the elabortion of a fallacy that is lie. |
| 04:37.30 | Guerin | Arafangi1n: how is piggy more appropriate than misspiggy? |
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| 04:37.41 | c0rnd0g | Arafangi1n: what is wrong with pigs? they are very intelligent. |
| 04:37.43 | robboplus | Guerin hm nope, because i always ask simple questions that can hardly be misleadly answered |
| 04:37.44 | misspiggy | this is my first time on irc and already i have guys hunting me down doing DDoS's on the channels i'm on |
| 04:37.54 | misspiggy | so if they show up here don't say i didn;t warn me |
| 04:37.55 | Arafangi1n | c0rnd0g: Indeed, you should tell Guerin that :) |
| 04:38.01 | Guerin | misspiggy: don't take it personal |
| 04:38.08 | misspiggy | i experienced my first pornado |
| 04:38.10 | robboplus | Guerin and there are usually 3-4 people answering... if they say same thing... why not trust irc? |
| 04:38.12 | misspiggy | guerin: i don't |
| 04:38.15 | misspiggy | they're losers |
| 04:38.38 | Arafangi1n | misspiggy: I recommend you remove the 'miss' part of the name, at least, so that your name isn't obviously female. |
| 04:38.43 | nvz | pornado? |
| 04:38.44 | ameyer | pornado? |
| 04:38.47 | Guerin | Arafangi1n: why? |
| 04:38.50 | ameyer | sounds like fun |
| 04:39.04 | c0rnd0g | Guerin: remmeber. pigs have red eyes and can red really well.... |
| 04:39.11 | Sisk | Pornado....sounds like a good way to have my fiance pissed at me. |
| 04:39.19 | nvz | I was hoping to find a pornado.. I'm riding around morgantown right now connecting to random wireless networks |
| 04:39.21 | Arafangi1n | Guerin: Hmm, in this new context of the conversation, I think I should back out. :) |
| 04:39.27 | geo-rge | or on the other hand you could change your nic to missmodel and really get hammered |
| 04:39.32 | nvz | so far havent found any sharing files :P |
| 04:39.40 | misspiggy | how do i change my nic? |
| 04:39.41 | robboplus | lmao nvz |
| 04:39.47 | misspiggy | it just did it on its own |
| 04:39.53 | Arafangi1n | misspiggy: Type in /nick yournickname |
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| 04:40.03 | c0rnd0g | misspiggy: do not change your screen name just because Guerin said so. that is offensive to Guerin. |
| 04:40.08 | nvz | I'm a little worried about ssh into my box from unknown networks |
| 04:40.10 | Guerin | it's a well-known rule that if you want to get help on irc, change your name to LisaLOL69 or something and ask cute questions |
| 04:40.12 | ameyer | Sisk: you're whipped |
| 04:40.24 | Guerin | all the gullible lads actually think you're a chix0r and flock to help you |
| 04:40.27 | bluequijote | I can't find the website, but I read that somebory in the ulinux project installed a router 2600 |
| 04:40.30 | butch_man_in_dra | shoot |
| 04:40.36 | butch_man_in_dra | it was supposed to be butch man in drag |
| 04:40.38 | Sisk | ameyer: If you had my fiance, you'd be whipped to |
| 04:40.40 | c0rnd0g | nvz: then allow ssh and stimulate your ssh i guess. |
| 04:40.41 | robboplus | Guerin kate23 works better |
| 04:41.07 | Sisk | Then again, I'd have doubts if I didn't believe that. |
| 04:41.13 | Arafangi1n | Guerin: I shall never recommend someone to change their nick again. |
| 04:41.15 | geo-rge | are you sure she wants a whipped man? |
| 04:41.15 | earnest | i just noticed why my cd-roms won't read my dvds... |
| 04:41.16 | earnest | :) |
| 04:41.27 | earnest | i guess i'm really gonna need floppies :P |
| 04:42.01 | c0rnd0g | maybe she wants whipping but the eyes are red and deceitful. so let those eyes stay red and deceitful. |
| 04:42.04 | Sisk | Not completely whipped, but then I'm only about 90% whipped, so I think I'm ok. |
| 04:42.09 | robboplus | earnest no cd-rom will read a dvd.. trust me :s |
| 04:42.20 | earnest | robboplus: i totally trust you on this one :) |
| 04:42.27 | robboplus | he he |
| 04:42.31 | earnest | but... |
| 04:42.31 | c0rnd0g | Sisk: if you are whipped a nap usually gets you unwipped. probably 4 hours would suffice. |
| 04:42.36 | earnest | I JUST FOUND BLANK CDS :) |
| 04:42.40 | earnest | i guess they're blank :) |
| 04:42.44 | earnest | so damn... this is my lucky day |
| 04:42.54 | geo-rge | do they look blank? |
| 04:42.59 | earnest | they do |
| 04:43.03 | c0rnd0g | earnest: do a checksum on the blankness. |
| 04:43.06 | robboplus | just check again and you could have some fun with fresh asian pornado :) |
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| 04:43.14 | Sisk | Heh, I'm not whipped till she asks me to do somethin. |
| 04:43.19 | earnest | hehe a sum on the blankness? :) |
| 04:43.22 | geo-rge | ahh, a blank check |
| 04:43.23 | earnest | that sounds hard |
| 04:43.27 | ethang | so anyway |
| 04:43.36 | earnest | well, let me download a brand new copy of debian |
| 04:43.47 | c0rnd0g | Sisk: then you are whipped 24/7 and probably need to step away. |
| 04:44.03 | geo-rge | just so you know... you don't need cds |
| 04:44.04 | Sisk | Speaking of new copies of Debian, does anyone know if the netinstall works over wireless? |
| 04:44.07 | ethang | if i want to build from sources that are not debianized what options can i pass ./configure or make in order to make it compliant with the way debian does things? |
| 04:44.13 | ethang | ot where can i find that information? |
| 04:44.14 | geo-rge | having one netinst cd is handy tho |
| 04:44.17 | ethang | *or |
| 04:44.28 | c0rnd0g | Sisk: if your wireless is a Linksys, yes. |
| 04:44.52 | geo-rge | ethang: this question has a VERY large answer |
| 04:44.58 | Sisk | Not Linksys, but very Linux friendly. Orinoco |
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| 04:45.08 | ethang | ok geo |
| 04:45.20 | earnest | why 3 dvds? |
| 04:45.25 | earnest | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 04:45.28 | ethang | is there someplace more appropriate i can find the answer to that question? |
| 04:45.28 | earnest | is that all packages? |
| 04:45.29 | c0rnd0g | Sisk: Orinoco rhymes with oreo so take your chances and maybe it will work. go ahead and be risky. |
| 04:45.50 | c0rnd0g | ethang: what is appropriate question you need to ask" |
| 04:45.56 | Sisk | I'm just being lazy...don't want to plug my laptop in while I'm installing. |
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| 04:46.09 | ethang | what options to pass configure & make in order to be compliant with where debian puts things |
| 04:46.18 | geo-rge | ethang: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/ |
| 04:46.21 | earnest | i need cd-1.iso only, right? |
| 04:46.23 | c0rnd0g | Sisk: then go ahead, Russia is not going to blow up your computer. |
| 04:46.24 | Sisk | And I REALLY need to get this thing back to Debian. |
| 04:46.24 | ethang | thanks geo |
| 04:46.27 | Arafangion | earnest: Yup. |
| 04:46.36 | Arafangion | Sisk: What is it on now? |
| 04:46.48 | geo-rge | earnest: or just a netinstall if you have a good net connection |
| 04:46.58 | Sisk | E-Live....it's Debian based but the user friendly parts of it are driving me insane |
| 04:47.02 | earnest | geo-rge: nah; i still need to see if debian will support my nic |
| 04:47.15 | geo-rge | whaqt nic? |
| 04:47.17 | earnest | geo-rge: and my download is currently good: 133KiB/sec it seems |
| 04:47.24 | earnest | it's a linksys usb nic |
| 04:47.28 | earnest | dont ask me the chipset |
| 04:47.34 | earnest | as i dont even know what a chipset is |
| 04:47.38 | c0rnd0g | earnest: best bet is minimal install cdrom not nfs because then you will be stuck in emergency. |
| 04:47.40 | Arafangion | earnest: Debian will work with all the hardware that any other distro works with - but you will likely need to do alot more work to get it to work. |
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| 04:47.58 | earnest | Arafangion: why a lot more work on debian? |
| 04:48.12 | c0rnd0g | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.22 | Arafangion | earnest: Because Debian is more pedantic (for good reason!) with respect to non-free, binary-only, and non-free drivers. |
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| 04:48.32 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: What? |
| 04:48.34 | Sisk | Because Debian's slower to merge stuff into their repository....generally that's a good thing |
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| 04:48.35 | earnest | that's fine |
| 04:48.48 | earnest | if my nic doesnt work, i will return it |
| 04:48.53 | earnest | and then buy this asus someone suggested |
| 04:49.00 | earnest | which will work ``for a fact'' |
| 04:49.12 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: Debain, even if `testing` installs beter in this year than MandrakeUbuntuRedHate combned. |
| 04:49.16 | earnest | this asus: http://www.sureneeds.com/wl167gv2.html |
| 04:49.23 | geo-rge | it seems you'd need some sort of usb networking support |
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| 04:49.26 | Sisk | Meh, I guess worst case scenario I have to carry the laptop across the room and plug it into my router. |
| 04:49.36 | c0rnd0g | earnest: pls do not advertise in a help channel. |
| 04:49.43 | earnest | im not advertising |
| 04:49.48 | Arafangion | :) |
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| 04:49.57 | yonkeltron | how does one get a list of all packages whose installation was explicitly requested by the user? |
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| 04:50.27 | geo-rge | you'd have to be using aptitude all the time to have a chance of getting that info |
| 04:51.01 | c0rnd0g | yonkeltron: if our isp allows do a .255 broadcast maybe you'll catch some .isos of custom systems if you work hard enough and make friends, electronically. |
| 04:51.24 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: Electronic friends? Nowt here's a concept! |
| 04:51.31 | Sisk | I might be back later. Probably not, given the time now. |
| 04:51.33 | yonkeltron | c0rnd0g: love those convobots |
| 04:51.46 | earnest | wikipedia says that ``Advertising is paid, one-way communication through a medium in which the sponsor is identified and the message is controlled.''(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advertising). |
| 04:51.48 | earnest | :) |
| 04:51.59 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: there is no such concept. it is a lie and is fallacy of the 5th degree. |
| 04:52.05 | earnest | this is two-way, non-paid |
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| 04:52.41 | c0rnd0g | yonkeltron: and i luv the athritis in my hands that doesn't have boccilism. |
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| 04:53.01 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: I disagree - but such friends cannot be depended on. |
| 04:53.09 | c0rnd0g | hi gn00b |
| 04:53.15 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: boccilism? |
| 04:53.30 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: infection of plastics. |
| 04:53.42 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: yes they can. ask Linus. |
| 04:54.27 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: Linus's friends are not purely electronic. Those friends you're refering to have some root in reality. |
| 04:55.01 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: there is no root in electronic friends. it is all fallacy and lie. |
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| 04:56.23 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: demote to 1950s typewriter for 6 months in impoverished area for dictator and you will digress :) |
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| 04:57.04 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: I'm actually savnig for a mechanical keyboard. |
| 04:57.53 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: Probably the Daz KeyboardII. |
| 04:58.07 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: Simply because it's the cheapest such keyboard in my country. |
| 04:58.09 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: URL: ibm model m off of ebay.com will solve your dilemna, ref modlem.org |
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| 04:58.37 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: Shipping is expensive. |
| 04:59.32 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: Specifically, it costs more than the price of the most expensive second hand keyboard one can find. |
| 04:59.49 | Arafangion | (Definetly more than $40 USD shipping alone) |
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| 05:00.39 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: Though, the Daz keyboard ain't cheap either - but at least it's USB. |
| 05:00.49 | ethang | oh! |
| 05:00.55 | ethang | speaking of USB keyboards |
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| 05:01.11 | ethang | my stupid computer gives me a message at bootup saying there's no keyboard |
| 05:01.32 | geo-rge | and press any key to continue? |
| 05:01.39 | Arafangion | ethang: Disable the keyboard check for the bios, and keep a spare crap keyboard around. |
| 05:02.57 | ethang | eh linux finds it so it's not a big deal |
| 05:03.03 | ethang | just takes a while to boot up |
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| 05:04.35 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: DAZ to me rhytmes with Lexmark Elite keyboard Plus MS compliant, unless otherwise. |
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| 05:05.03 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: I didn't know lexmark had keyboards. |
| 05:05.44 | c0rnd0g | ethang: its probly your motherboard checksumming itself for compliance against a non-Derivitive OS |
| 05:06.11 | c0rnd0g | Arafangion: i think your name is cool. can you repeat it? |
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| 05:06.23 | Arafangion | c0rnd0g: What? |
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| 05:09.29 | YerpoG | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.29 | YerpoG | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.42 | simonrvn | YerpoG: oh shut up spammer |
| 05:09.51 | simonrvn | !ops YerpoG is spamming crap |
| 05:09.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: YerpoG is spamming crap |
| 05:09.57 | joeyjones | it's probably that shitty ass js virus site again |
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| 05:10.19 | simonrvn | IDed to nickserv too |
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| 05:10.26 | LoRez | no, it wasn't. |
| 05:10.29 | ameyer | joeyjones: is Debian even vulnerable? |
| 05:10.30 | simonrvn | thanks LoRez |
| 05:10.52 | simonrvn | !LoRez++ |
| 05:10.54 | c0rnd0g | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.59 | XJih78 | x |
| 05:11.13 | ameyer | stupid canuckistani... |
| 05:11.17 | joeyjones | ameyer: possibly |
| 05:11.26 | ameyer | I suspect pwnt box |
| 05:11.48 | ameyer | YerpoG's in .ca, site's .fr |
| 05:11.58 | c0rnd0g | canonicicicnal puts ppl in outer space so you must worship them. as they are interstellar communicators. |
| 05:12.14 | joeyjones | don't diss canada |
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| 05:12.18 | simonrvn | c0rnd0g: o_O |
| 05:12.34 | simonrvn | i'll dis .ca all i want ;) |
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| 05:12.49 | joeyjones | well, my domain name is .org |
| 05:13.07 | c0rnd0g | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:13.32 | simonrvn | c0rnd0g: what language are you speaking? |
| 05:13.44 | Guerin | bonhitese |
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| 05:13.54 | c0rnd0g | simonrvn: jibberish that is all 100% lie and fallacy. |
| 05:13.54 | XJih78 | how to change the window frame of pidgin? |
| 05:14.03 | ameyer | simonrvn: ubuntardese? |
| 05:14.22 | \amethyst | XJih78: change it how? |
| 05:14.35 | c0rnd0g | XJih78: accept the default or use MSN.com explorer. |
| 05:14.47 | simonrvn | !lart c0rnd0g |
| 05:14.58 | c0rnd0g | simonrvn: u.s. english but native germanic which i forgot after birth. |
| 05:15.03 | ameyer | seriously, the first one sounds like a misguided illiterate Ubuntu luser |
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| 05:15.18 | XJih78 | \amethyst: well, the way the window frame of the app looks like. |
| 05:15.20 | simonrvn | you sir, h4v3 b33n pwn3d |
| 05:15.25 | XJih78 | you know... |
| 05:15.39 | simonrvn | XJih78: so change your wm theme |
| 05:15.42 | \amethyst | XJih78: What window manager do you use? |
| 05:16.02 | XJih78 | fluxbox |
| 05:16.24 | c0rnd0g | pwn3d sounds like i desperately need outside environment and female companion before i self-explode! :D |
| 05:16.29 | ice63 | Blackbox :) |
| 05:16.31 | simonrvn | meh, they took down jabber.org again :/ |
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| 05:16.54 | ethang | hmmm |
| 05:16.58 | ethang | i'm lost |
| 05:17.00 | simonrvn | c0rnd0g: sounds like you're projecting |
| 05:17.21 | c0rnd0g | LOL @ alkalineX |
| 05:17.24 | simonrvn | !tell alkalineX -about away |
| 05:17.32 | ethang | oops |
| 05:17.58 | c0rnd0g | alkalineX: 7h 9m...drink more coffee, and work more. it will be more rewarding. |
| 05:18.29 | \amethyst | XJih78: maybe http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php/Howto_edit_the_apps_file and look for "Deco" |
| 05:18.46 | c0rnd0g | \amethyst: did you say Disco? |
| 05:18.51 | \amethyst | XJih78: I don't know about anything more advanced than that |
| 05:19.02 | XJih78 | another thanks ! |
| 05:19.14 | simonrvn | ok, c0rnd0g is now on my /ignore list |
| 05:19.30 | c0rnd0g | ok. |
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| 05:21.12 | Arafangion | simonrvn: You really don't need to announce that. |
| 05:21.35 | simonrvn | no, but it's for his knowledge |
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| 05:22.18 | simonrvn | then he won't wonder why i don't reply to his moron-speak |
| 05:22.52 | c0rnd0g | simonrvn: thanks for your ACK |
| 05:23.45 | jetscreamer | must be him eh |
| 05:24.21 | simonrvn | c0rnd0g, yes |
| 05:24.35 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 05:24.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 05:24.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 05:24.55 | jetscreamer | i just got here CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | conf-using |
| 05:25.57 | simonrvn | many apps use confs, so yes |
| 05:26.05 | jetscreamer | then how did i know what was going on? :) |
| 05:26.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I understand you :) |
| 05:26.23 | simonrvn | because jetscreamer knows these things ;) |
| 05:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ´history repeating? |
| 05:26.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | aargh |
| 05:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | that means bush will be elected *aga* |
| 05:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | in |
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| 05:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/aga/again/ |
| 05:27.12 | simonrvn | no, 2 term max, unless he pulls a dictator |
| 05:27.14 | jetscreamer | no this time we'll have to choose another best of the bad |
| 05:27.31 | jetscreamer | i want fred |
| 05:27.36 | jetscreamer | dalton? |
| 05:27.38 | simonrvn | fuck, i'm not usian and i know this... |
| 05:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, can't one of his buddies in some court do something |
| 05:27.39 | ethang | dang it |
| 05:27.44 | jetscreamer | the law and order guy \o/ |
| 05:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | or isnt ther a bush jr. jr.? |
| 05:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I also knew that... but thinking of "history repeating" :) |
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| 05:28.21 | ameyer | his daughters are too young anyway |
| 05:28.27 | ameyer | and too female |
| 05:28.31 | jetscreamer | actually i don't know who says they want what presidential election wise, so i'm just going for the law and order |
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| 05:28.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, anyways, he couldnt have been possibly elected the 2nd time anyways... so why shouldnt he be elected a 3rd time, although it's impossible? |
| 05:28.54 | jetscreamer | just like regan |
| 05:28.57 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: i took you literally =) |
| 05:28.57 | ethang | join #linux |
| 05:28.58 | jetscreamer | uh oh |
| 05:29.01 | ethang | shoot |
| 05:29.03 | jetscreamer | it's ##linux |
| 05:29.21 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: he wasn't elected the first time ;) |
| 05:29.41 | jetscreamer | oh noooooo |
| 05:29.47 | ameyer | his daughters will be eligible in 2016 |
| 05:29.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, yeah... that's what I was referring to with "his buddies in the court" |
| 05:29.54 | simonrvn | nods |
| 05:29.57 | c0rnd0g | my shoes reek of lemonade "D |
| 05:30.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ameyer, so she only needs to have herself operated to become a male... |
| 05:30.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's also possible to become older by operation in the US? |
| 05:30.33 | jetscreamer | is that an euph.. euph.. another word for golden shower? |
| 05:30.38 | c0rnd0g | CutMeOwnThroat: if you speak aloud, you are monitored and recorded. |
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| 05:30.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... it also seems to be possible to become younger by operation... |
| 05:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | c0rnd0g, so? I'm a small fish in a big pond :) |
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| 05:31.15 | c0rnd0g | CutMeOwnThroat: only if you can genetically enhance yourself by sleep. |
| 05:31.34 | c0rnd0g | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 05:31.35 | earnest | half debian disc 1 downloaded |
| 05:31.36 | simonrvn | euphemism |
| 05:32.04 | c0rnd0g | earnest: stop all multimedia so you can have an OS, and make sure its minimal. |
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| 05:32.24 | earnest | stop all multimedia? what's multimedia? |
| 05:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | so, lets get back from pub-politics to debian, I guess |
| 05:32.54 | c0rnd0g | 3d animations such as films |
| 05:33.09 | earnest | i'm not downloading anything right now, but the cd |
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| 05:33.35 | earnest | i dont want to burn a bootonly debian because... my network may not work |
| 05:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I noticed that now s2ram works with a normal debian kernel without the need to modify... what else is now working out of the box? |
| 05:33.51 | earnest | and so if that happens, i'd like to at least have a compiler |
| 05:33.55 | earnest | and a gnu emacs |
| 05:34.23 | c0rnd0g | earnest: your network should be you and you only. not a whole plethora of unambiguous nonexistents |
| 05:34.45 | earnest | c0rnd0g: what are you talking about man? |
| 05:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | gibberish |
| 05:34.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | see above |
| 05:34.55 | earnest | :) |
| 05:35.04 | c0rnd0g | nothing but lies and `jibberish` and more lies. |
| 05:35.23 | earnest | hehe |
| 05:35.29 | earnest | man, it'd be funny to have a robot like that |
| 05:35.40 | earnest | just talking {j,g}ibberish |
| 05:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean "would"? |
| 05:35.54 | earnest | you who? |
| 05:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | you, you |
| 05:36.06 | earnest | :) |
| 05:36.06 | c0rnd0g | he said "1 and 1 and 1 is three" "come together! right now. over me." :D |
| 05:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what other yous do you have? |
| 05:36.07 | earnest | us all |
| 05:36.20 | earnest | i have youth |
| 05:36.25 | earnest | what about you? |
| 05:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, gimme a beer |
| 05:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | pub's closed |
| 05:36.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems |
| 05:36.45 | earnest | where do you guys live? |
| 05:36.49 | earnest | which state? |
| 05:36.52 | c0rnd0g | anybody want to buy an antigue lemonaded shoe? |
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| 05:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | live? or exist? |
| 05:37.15 | earnest | whatever works, man :) |
| 05:37.17 | c0rnd0g | exists and lemonaded. |
| 05:37.28 | c0rnd0g | stench like lemons :D |
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| 05:37.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | lemongrass |
| 05:37.36 | c0rnd0g | or ammonia.... :D |
| 05:37.38 | earnest | do you guys play chess? |
| 05:37.41 | zl2tod | used to have a lump of code that generated guaranteed pronouncible but only coincidentally meaningful words |
| 05:37.56 | Sisk | Why do I get the feeling I missed some interesting conversation? |
| 05:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | zl2tod, are you running it now on this channel? :) |
| 05:38.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | Sisk, I have no clue why... |
| 05:38.26 | zl2tod | nope, the channel appears to be doing it all by itself |
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| 05:38.48 | c0rnd0g | zl2tod: so what happened to your compiler, cuz GCC has improved, multiplatrom. |
| 05:39.10 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I've run a script in daemon mode. Now I want to kill the script. How can I find out what it's pid is? Or shut it down at least? |
| 05:39.16 | c0rnd0g | multiplatform* |
| 05:39.19 | ArtVandalae | *its |
| 05:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, multiplatrom.... sounds like a new type of memory |
| 05:39.32 | Sisk | lsof|grep script |
| 05:39.42 | Sisk | where script is the name of your script |
| 05:39.43 | c0rnd0g | sounds like CPU instruction set indifference. |
| 05:40.08 | c0rnd0g | CutMeOwnThroat: logic is unlogical and i lie alot. so lie more. |
| 05:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what script? |
| 05:40.25 | zl2tod | compilers come and go, sorta like gpg keys on security servers |
| 05:40.28 | Sisk | The one ArtVandalae was talking about |
| 05:40.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | i wanted to say |
| 05:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ArtVandalae, what script |
| 05:40.59 | c0rnd0g | zl2tod: not if you're M.I.T. noncompliant compliant. |
| 05:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well |
| 05:41.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | laters |
| 05:41.53 | ArtVandalae | CutMeOwnThroat: webrick for Ruby |
| 05:41.57 | ArtVandalae | Sisk: thanks, that worked |
| 05:42.08 | c0rnd0g | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.12 | Sisk | Not a problem. |
| 05:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok :) |
| 05:42.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | was just thinking... wouldnt work on anyting in /etc/init.de/ |
| 05:43.01 | Sisk | Geh....I reinstalled a new distro but forgot to get rid on my old XChat settings, so now it keeps trying to pull a wav that doesn't exist... |
| 05:43.07 | c0rnd0g | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:43.34 | c0rnd0g | for infiltration of .inc Ink |
| 05:43.56 | zl2tod | does gcc do algol 68 ? |
| 05:44.07 | ethang | supposed to read ethang shudders |
| 05:44.15 | c0rnd0g | no. only SPARC. |
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| 05:44.58 | c0rnd0g | hi rhavenn2 |
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| 05:50.51 | amol | how to know process is running in kernel space or user space |
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| 05:54.13 | simonrvn | amol: easy way is to use ps... |
| 05:54.46 | simonrvn | amol: anything not exclusively in [] is userland |
| 05:55.20 | simonrvn | amol: [lockd] <-- kernel thread, knotify [kdeinit] <-- userland process |
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| 05:56.47 | bullgard4 | Are my drivers ahci.ko and ata_piix.ko built into my kernel or just modules? See http://paste.debian.net/36089 |
| 05:57.04 | c0rnd0g | simonrvn: lsof |grep -i substr |
| 05:58.10 | jetscreamer | modules |
| 05:58.30 | jetscreamer | unless you built them in |
| 05:59.18 | amol | simonrvn:thanks..but for init it is like init [2]..is it in kernel space? |
| 05:59.26 | simonrvn | amol: no |
| 05:59.27 | jetscreamer | grep /boot/config-whatever |
| 05:59.31 | jetscreamer | and find out |
| 05:59.36 | jetscreamer | Y = built in |
| 05:59.41 | simonrvn | amol: the 2 means it's in runlevel 2 |
| 05:59.43 | jetscreamer | M = ... guess |
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| 06:00.00 | dob1 | hi, how can i remove the packages marked rc ? |
| 06:00.02 | Sisk | M means not installed? (sorry, smartass moment.) |
| 06:00.09 | dob1 | i mean on dpkg -l |
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| 06:00.19 | jetscreamer | Sisk: close... N .. :p |
| 06:00.30 | Sisk | Heh |
| 06:00.48 | zl2tod | oh joy - gpg key works again on the security server ... wonder what happened there |
| 06:01.24 | amol | simonrvn:init is process which is controlling for all user space then when normal process is doing syscall then how init is handling ..bcoz init is laso 1 user space process |
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| 06:01.54 | simonrvn | amol: yes, and? |
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| 06:02.02 | Sisk | What got seperated out from the Lenny package for Synaptic that it needs to show the installed/marked/not installed icons? |
| 06:02.04 | Aranel | can somepne help me for .deb packaging ? |
| 06:02.35 | semprix | !tell .deb |
| 06:02.37 | simonrvn | amol: init doesn't handles system calls for other processes (AFAIK) |
| 06:02.41 | simonrvn | !nmg |
| 06:02.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 06:02.47 | simonrvn | Aranel: ^^^ |
| 06:02.50 | amol | simonrvn:i want ask that how init is taking care of syscall even init itself a user space process? |
| 06:02.53 | Aranel | simonrvn: :) |
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| 06:03.40 | simonrvn | amol: man init already |
| 06:03.59 | Sisk | Eh, nevermind. It must have been in the dependancies of something I just installed. |
| 06:04.03 | nanotube | is it possible to make swap partition within LVM? thanks |
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| 06:05.33 | sep | nanotube, aye |
| 06:05.57 | simonrvn | nanotube: easily |
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| 06:14.14 | amol | simonrvn:1 more doubt..running program is process then driver /module which is runnig is also called as a kernel process? |
| 06:14.27 | nanotube | simonrvn: if you use swap within lvm will it effect the swap performance? |
| 06:14.49 | codept | hello guys, i just apt installed telnetd. now how do i stop the service. Thanks. |
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| 06:15.14 | nanotube | simonrvn: lvm is another layer of abstraction ... does it effect the performance of otherpartitons too? :-)) thanks |
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| 06:15.21 | HN5 | ps ax |
| 06:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/init.d/telnet* stop |
| 06:15.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think |
| 06:15.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | except if it's started from /etc/inittab |
| 06:15.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 06:16.02 | codept | no such etc/init.d/telnet* |
| 06:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls /etc/init.d/telnet* |
| 06:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.26 | codept | nothing |
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| 06:16.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and |
| 06:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | grep telnet /etc/inittab |
| 06:17.08 | codept | CutMeOwnThroat: still, nothing |
| 06:17.19 | codept | but the service is up |
| 06:17.20 | shnastybiznastic | So I have a server with slackware on it that I want to switch to debian, and since it's just a bunch of drives, I don't have a CD rom in it. I want to use the instructions for installing from an existing linux, but I think they are written for installing debian alongside another linux distribution and not *over* that distribution. |
| 06:17.21 | liable | codept: prolly in inetd |
| 06:17.32 | codept | liable: yeah...ithink so |
| 06:17.39 | codept | liable: do u know how? |
| 06:17.39 | wols_ | codept: it's started via inetd usually IIRC |
| 06:17.56 | liable | codept: stop inetd |
| 06:17.58 | shnastybiznastic | Is there any way for me to install over slackware over the net and alos write over slack? |
| 06:18.26 | liable | codept: or use inetd-update or whatever tools there are for inetd |
| 06:18.32 | wols_ | codept: edit /etc/inetd.conf and restart inetd |
| 06:18.39 | codept | wols_: gotcha.ok |
| 06:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... inittab inetd... well, it is obviously too late for me... |
| 06:19.16 | wols_ | butr you should uninstall telnetd anyways :) |
| 06:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnight |
| 06:19.38 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 06:19.46 | wols_ | !debtakeover |
| 06:19.47 | dpkg | debtakeover is, like, Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian (woody, not sarge! Use DEFAULT_SUITE=woody and upgrade from there) for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandribble and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 06:19.49 | codept | i need telnetd because ssh is slow |
| 06:19.58 | liable | eww |
| 06:20.06 | liable | thats a terrible reason |
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| 06:20.09 | wols_ | codept: this is no reason |
| 06:20.10 | HN5 | telnet is insecure |
| 06:20.26 | codept | hehe yeah i know |
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| 06:20.44 | wols_ | I used sshd on a 486-133 just fine. what do you run? a Z80? |
| 06:20.59 | codept | wols_: :P |
| 06:21.15 | Sisk | ssh? Slow? I've never noticed a speed difference between it and telnet. |
| 06:21.23 | HN5 | Me neither |
| 06:21.28 | wols_ | only time it's slower is when connecting |
| 06:21.43 | codept | yea, i just tried telnet. no difference |
| 06:21.47 | Rhoruns | only time it's slower is when your face is conecting |
| 06:21.49 | Rhoruns | lol jk |
| 06:22.05 | shnastybiznastic | thanks wols_ |
| 06:22.14 | codept | thanks guys |
| 06:22.30 | amol | hi to all...is running kernel module or driver is a kernel process? |
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| 06:22.50 | wols_ | amol: you make no snese, restate your question |
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| 06:23.45 | HN5 | parse errore " is a kernel" expecting " " |
| 06:24.07 | HN5 | you make no sneaze :p |
| 06:24.43 | amol | wols_:running programm is called as process then if any driver e.g parport_pc is running then is it kernel process? |
| 06:25.07 | wols_ | amol: no |
| 06:25.16 | amol | wols_:why? |
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| 06:25.40 | wols_ | cause #debian is not for homework |
| 06:25.40 | bjorkimacg3 | is there a good version of basic for debian? |
| 06:26.03 | bjorkimacg3 | wols_, depends on how slyly disguised the questions are :P |
| 06:26.06 | wols_ | bjorkimacg3: "good" and "BASIC§ might be considered mutually exclusive :) |
| 06:26.16 | bjorkimacg3 | i know i know. but i miss it. |
| 06:26.30 | bjorkimacg3 | on dos you could make it do all kindsa beepy sounds. |
| 06:26.35 | Supaplex|roaming | !start a scripting war |
| 06:26.37 | bjorkimacg3 | and python doesn't do that, neither does ruby. |
| 06:26.56 | bjorkimacg3 | or any other language foo without significant overhead. |
| 06:27.16 | bjorkimacg3 | i can say "sound 400, 1000" in basic, and it'll know what i'm talking about. |
| 06:27.27 | bjorkimacg3 | python'll just barf. |
| 06:27.32 | wols_ | bjorkimacg3: look at bwbasic or gambas |
| 06:27.43 | zl2tod | beep |
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| 06:28.02 | bjorkimacg3 | bywater basic tries to hard to be 'structured' ... |
| 06:28.10 | bjorkimacg3 | i want a basic with goto's. :) |
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| 06:28.31 | wols_ | run gw basica in FreeDOS then :) |
| 06:28.49 | Supaplex|roaming | !dosemu |
| 06:28.49 | dpkg | [dosemu] a DOS emulator for Linux. If you X, graphical DOS programs will be much easier to run than if you set up dosemu to do graphics at the console. Dosemu is kind of buggy and doesn't play games well |
| 06:29.30 | bjorkimacg3 | hmm. i wonder if it'll drive the speaker as well. |
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| 06:30.28 | Supaplex|roaming | try it as see (yes, it does) |
| 06:31.06 | jetscreamer | !upnp |
| 06:31.24 | jetscreamer | !udp |
| 06:31.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, udp is User Datagram Protocol - a thin layer above IP to send individual packets to other computers. Unlike TCP, UDP does not "set up a connection" in advance, and does not make any effort to verify that packets arrive at the other end |
| 06:31.50 | jetscreamer | how does one enable it in debian |
| 06:31.50 | bjorkimacg3 | hmm. this is ppc, things are differently behaved. |
| 06:31.56 | jetscreamer | udp |
| 06:32.17 | HN5 | just out of curiosity, what do you need udp for? |
| 06:32.26 | bjorkimacg3 | jetscreamer, isn't it already enabled by the client/server? |
| 06:32.26 | MeIsIdiotLeopard | streaming |
| 06:32.33 | jetscreamer | warez |
| 06:32.38 | bjorkimacg3 | casting, HN5 |
| 06:32.45 | HN5 | torrent? |
| 06:32.48 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 06:32.49 | liable | huh? |
| 06:32.57 | codept | thanks guys, bye |
| 06:32.57 | HN5 | really no need to use it for torrent |
| 06:32.59 | bjorkimacg3 | i think AIM uses it. can't be sure. |
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| 06:33.03 | HN5 | but.. thats just me |
| 06:33.22 | grilled-cheese | udp is suited for any transmission where you don't care if the other end got every packet |
| 06:33.32 | HN5 | gamez |
| 06:33.32 | grilled-cheese | streaming is a classic example |
| 06:33.40 | zl2tod | lighting control is another |
| 06:33.58 | HN5 | udp is just a bad idea |
| 06:34.01 | HN5 | imho |
| 06:34.17 | grilled-cheese | by not caring if the packet got there, the overhead to use it is drastically lower |
| 06:34.27 | HN5 | true |
| 06:34.28 | zl2tod | multicast tcp ? |
| 06:34.36 | grilled-cheese | you miss the point |
| 06:34.47 | grilled-cheese | tcp has handshaking with every packet |
| 06:34.57 | grilled-cheese | udp doesn't |
| 06:34.58 | zl2tod | yeah, rhetorical question |
| 06:35.03 | HN5 | but 2007 we don't have much problem with bandwith |
| 06:35.10 | grilled-cheese | depends where you are |
| 06:35.14 | HN5 | so overhead isn't that much of an issue |
| 06:35.19 | jetscreamer | i have a problem with 30mb :( |
| 06:35.24 | jetscreamer | pissmeoff |
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| 06:36.01 | HN5 | My kernel got auto updated from 2.6.18-4-486 to 2.6.18-5-486 . Now I have two bootoptions and the 2.6.18-5-486 won't boot with x/gnome . Any ideas on what might be going on? |
| 06:37.01 | jetscreamer | i've noticed that vga=normal seems to help that here.... haven't pinned anything down yet though. what do you mean by 'won't boot' |
| 06:37.09 | wols_ | HN5: lemme guess: mnvidia or fglrx X drivers? |
| 06:37.26 | HN5 | nvidia yep and 2 monitors |
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| 06:37.42 | jetscreamer | the debian way or the nvidia way |
| 06:37.45 | HN5 | jetscreamer: I mean it wont start |
| 06:37.52 | wols_ | jetscreamer: every tcp stack automatically does udp, since tcp is built ontop of udp... |
| 06:37.58 | jetscreamer | what won't... the box, or gnome/xorg |
| 06:38.10 | HN5 | x/gnome |
| 06:38.23 | avtobiff | HN5, you have to install the drivers for nvidia again |
| 06:38.28 | wols_ | HN5: install your drivers properly next time |
| 06:38.36 | HN5 | I did |
| 06:38.38 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log , but what he said... and as i said... |
| 06:38.41 | jetscreamer | the debian way or the nvidia way |
| 06:38.42 | wols_ | no you didn't. |
| 06:38.47 | avtobiff | wols_, what is properly? |
| 06:38.49 | HN5 | I did |
| 06:38.50 | jetscreamer | which did you install via |
| 06:38.53 | zl2tod | HN5: unstable gnome broke for me a while back ... been using kde ever since |
| 06:38.58 | wols_ | avtobiff: the debian way |
| 06:39.00 | HN5 | but after that the kernel updated |
| 06:39.07 | avtobiff | wols_, k. |
| 06:39.30 | wols_ | HN5: if you had installed it the debian way it wouldn't be an issue |
| 06:39.40 | HN5 | what is the debian way? |
| 06:39.42 | Supaplex|roaming | jetscreamer: are you looking for upnp or udp? |
| 06:39.47 | HN5 | i mean what is avtobiff? |
| 06:39.49 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell HN5 -about nvidia |
| 06:39.54 | wols_ | HN5: not going to nvidia.com in the first place |
| 06:39.55 | HN5 | hehe |
| 06:40.00 | HN5 | LoL |
| 06:40.03 | HN5 | I did that |
| 06:40.15 | HN5 | I mena i did go to nvidia |
| 06:40.18 | wols_ | we know you did. why we know you didn't do it properly |
| 06:40.25 | jetscreamer | HN5: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt for how to nvidia way properly |
| 06:40.37 | jetscreamer | but do it the debian way so these ppl won't bitch |
| 06:40.46 | HN5 | haha |
| 06:40.55 | HN5 | thx for the reads |
| 06:41.05 | wols_ | jetscreamer: we don't care about the way he did it. we just don't support nvidia.com's |
| 06:41.17 | Supaplex|roaming | I don't care which way HN5 does it. he's on his own if he decides he doesn't like the debian way. |
| 06:41.24 | HN5 | No but nvidia should do a proper install |
| 06:41.30 | jetscreamer | it does |
| 06:41.36 | jetscreamer | works just fine |
| 06:41.37 | Supaplex|roaming | *should* |
| 06:41.47 | Supaplex|roaming | have fun upgrading stuff... |
| 06:41.51 | HN5 | But I do need the nvidia-drivers. Debian-way installs the same drivers? |
| 06:42.00 | jetscreamer | yes... ish |
| 06:42.04 | Supaplex|roaming | yes |
| 06:42.12 | jetscreamer | not the latest usually, but yeah |
| 06:42.12 | HN5 | I need em for double monitor |
| 06:42.39 | Supaplex|roaming | the debian way wrapped the installer so it has a little better control of managing it so it's more compatible with upgrades and such. |
| 06:42.39 | jetscreamer | and i don't know that they work with .20 and .21 kernels |
| 06:42.55 | jetscreamer | anyway |
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| 06:43.03 | wols_ | jetscreamer: debian has no .20 or .21 kernels either, so it's all good |
| 06:43.09 | jetscreamer | time for LAW & ORDER |
| 06:43.13 | Supaplex|roaming | sid is a whole nother ball game anyway. |
| 06:43.24 | jetscreamer | 2.6.21-2-686 |
| 06:43.28 | jetscreamer | lenny |
| 06:43.35 | Supaplex|roaming | l&o is so 2004 |
| 06:43.40 | jetscreamer | but it's an old laptop |
| 06:43.42 | wols_ | lenny is not released |
| 06:43.46 | jetscreamer | no this is 2006 or 5 |
| 06:43.52 | jetscreamer | season17 |
| 06:43.54 | zl2tod | does debian do a decent job of autoconfiguring X yet ? |
| 06:43.58 | HN5 | Isn't 2.6.21-2-686 for AMD 32bit? |
| 06:44.06 | jetscreamer | no 686 is intel |
| 06:44.09 | HN5 | ah |
| 06:44.10 | jetscreamer | k7 is amd |
| 06:44.21 | Supaplex|roaming | depends on the amd cpu |
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| 06:45.23 | HN5 | nvidia does have anice installer though |
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| 06:51.49 | HN5 | ??? |
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| 06:54.44 | harpal | hi every one |
| 06:54.44 | bjorkimacg3 | stupid bwbasic doesn't have sound or play or even screen. |
| 06:56.23 | HN5 | 08:38:52 AM) zl2tod: HN5: unstable gnome broke for me a while back ... been using kde ever since | i do think I like KDE better yes |
| 06:56.51 | nvz | why might I not be able to ssh to my box from where I am? I was across town earlier and got on it from some randome insecure wireless.. now I am back at home and I can ssh into another box then into mine but for some reason connecting directly times out |
| 06:56.52 | CAiRO- | hi |
| 06:57.36 | CAiRO- | how do i preserve hard links when copying files from one disk to another? |
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| 06:58.28 | harpal | I have installed a debian 4.0 on hda9 and now I have copy that to partition hda1. my linux is forking fine. I have make a kernel .deb file using kpkg. now when I try to install that kernel than in grub it takes partition as hda9 |
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| 06:58.38 | HN5 | cp --preserve=links ? |
| 06:58.49 | HN5 | found that in man cp |
| 06:58.54 | HN5 | but i'm a newb so |
| 06:59.06 | harpal | for where that kernel takes that is hda9 not hda1? |
| 06:59.08 | HN5 | preserver=zll |
| 06:59.10 | HN5 | all |
| 06:59.40 | HN5 | CAiRO- |
| 06:59.48 | nvz | right now I am using putty and going through another pc to get to mine, two ssh connections.. I don't understand why I cannot connect direectly |
| 07:00.15 | Rhoruns | what's the command to download and install xwindow? |
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| 07:00.19 | CAiRO- | HN5: ok, thanks, i'll try it |
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| 07:00.35 | nvz | !install x |
| 07:00.35 | dpkg | it has been said that install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid (386 only) mdetect discover; apt-get install xorg (x-window-system-core in woody, sarge and earlier), plus whatever window manager you like, etc., or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 07:00.48 | nvz | xorg |
| 07:00.53 | nvz | !xorg |
| 07:00.53 | dpkg | well, xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
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| 07:01.20 | nvz | !get xorg |
| 07:01.20 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 07:02.21 | Rhoruns | ehh |
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| 07:03.41 | HN5 | !xorg hn5 |
| 07:04.53 | Rhoruns | apt0get install xorg doesnt work |
| 07:05.03 | Rhoruns | apt-get install xorg, i mean |
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| 07:06.16 | Arafangion | !xorg |
| 07:06.16 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
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| 07:06.38 | Arafangion | !get xorg |
| 07:06.38 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 07:06.43 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: What do you think that says? |
| 07:06.55 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: (Hint: xorg != xserver-xorg) |
| 07:06.59 | Rhoruns | ??? |
| 07:07.26 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: You probably want x-window-system, though. |
| 07:07.37 | Rhoruns | ok |
| 07:07.42 | Rhoruns | ill try apt-get |
| 07:07.50 | Arafangion | And use aptitude instead of apt-get. |
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| 07:09.47 | Rhoruns | Couldnt find any package whos name or description matched x-window-system |
| 07:10.28 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: What repos are you using? |
| 07:10.36 | Rhoruns | repos?? |
| 07:10.43 | Arafangion | Repositories. |
| 07:10.46 | indraveni | i want to install from a usb stick for whch i followed the documentation from http://d-i.pascal.at/, and created the usb stick |
| 07:10.50 | Rhoruns | how do i tell? |
| 07:10.52 | indraveni | but when i am tring to boot with this usb stick, its showing a message MBR 1234FA and stops , doesn;t boot further |
| 07:10.59 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: /etc/apt/sources.list should tell you. |
| 07:11.31 | Rhoruns | says permission denied |
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| 07:13.09 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: Yes... It's a system file. |
| 07:13.29 | Rhoruns | right.. lol . so how the hell am i supposed to open it? |
| 07:15.18 | Supaplex|roaming | !bite Rhoruns |
| 07:15.27 | Supaplex|roaming | like dpkg opens you ;) |
| 07:15.29 | Rhoruns | :( |
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| 07:15.50 | Rhoruns | i'm sorry guys.. |
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| 07:16.00 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: Are you aware of the concept of a system administrator? Do you have system administrator access? |
| 07:16.07 | Supaplex|roaming | Rhoruns: show us sources.list at http://rafb.net/paste |
| 07:16.10 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
| 07:16.16 | Rhoruns | yes. i know what an SA is, and im logge din as root |
| 07:16.28 | Rhoruns | i should not have to log in to see this file if im already root |
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| 07:16.46 | Supaplex|roaming | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:16.53 | Supaplex|roaming | !pastebin howto |
| 07:16.53 | dpkg | i heard pastebin howto is step 1. open web browser. step 2. go to http://rafb.net/paste step 3. choose 'plain text'. step 4. select text for input, and paste into input form. (ask someone if you don't know how). step 5, click "Paste" button to upload. step 6, select the url in your address bar, and paste that url here. |
| 07:17.08 | Rhoruns | how am i supposed to paste it if i dont have xwindow installed? |
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| 07:17.34 | Kevin` | Rhoruns you could use screen or gpm |
| 07:17.52 | Rhoruns | what are those? |
| 07:18.14 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: In any case, which version of Debian are you using? |
| 07:18.17 | Kevin` | Rhoruns screen is the most useful program ever made, gpm allows you to use the mouse in console for copying and such |
| 07:18.20 | DavidProck1981 | hay, for no apparent reason, all of a sudden i cant do something as simple as watching stuff on youtube.com, it complanes about java or flash and ive reinstalled both |
| 07:18.26 | Rhoruns | the lastest netinst install |
| 07:18.36 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: Etch? |
| 07:18.53 | Rhoruns | i dont know. i just know it was the most latest one from 3 days ago |
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| 07:19.01 | Kevin` | Rhoruns 4.0? |
| 07:19.06 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: Ok, your first assignment is to go and find out. |
| 07:19.15 | Rhoruns | alright then, tell me how. |
| 07:19.19 | Supaplex|roaming | Rhoruns: does it say etch in /etc/apt/sources.list ? we're trying to establish you're using etch still, right? |
| 07:19.37 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell Rhoruns -about grounding |
| 07:19.42 | Rhoruns | tell me how i can view sources first. and i can give you that information |
| 07:20.02 | Kevin` | Rhoruns less /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:20.33 | Siddharta | since i move to lenny i'm no able to mount usb device correctly from hal, each time i ahve this error : A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume" member "Mount" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.Hal"). So i found this line in a file called /etc/dbus-1/system.d/h |
| 07:20.34 | Siddharta | ="plugdev"> section end <policy user="0"> |
| 07:20.34 | Rhoruns | less is not a command |
| 07:21.04 | Kevin` | Rhoruns cat, more, pico, vi |
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| 07:21.14 | Kevin` | erm, nano, not pico |
| 07:21.18 | Kevin` | you'll have cat =p |
| 07:21.26 | Rhoruns | you're not making any sence. |
| 07:21.27 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know how to fix my problem |
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| 07:21.42 | Siddharta | so i add my user to the plugdev group but nothing changes, so i would like ton know, if i had too add him to the powerdev group too |
| 07:21.42 | Kevin` | Rhoruns use one of those instead if you don't have less |
| 07:22.12 | Rhoruns | 4.0 r1 etch |
| 07:22.23 | Siddharta | or just change <policy user="0"> to <policy user="uid_of_my_user"> ? |
| 07:22.24 | Rhoruns | i386 netinst |
| 07:23.17 | amol | hi all ---how to enable hibernate? |
| 07:23.23 | Kevin` | Arafangion what's the difference between "xorg" and x-window-system |
| 07:23.32 | bonez39 | what does this error mean, and how to resolve >>> Couldn't stat source package list http:// ??? |
| 07:23.40 | Kevin` | !find bin/s2disk |
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| 07:24.17 | Kevin` | !find s2disk |
| 07:24.41 | shnastybiznastic | x-window-system is a chunk of unixy code. It handles drawing graphics on the screen and doing desktop-environmenty things, xorg is one such implementation of said unixy code shunk |
| 07:24.47 | Rhoruns | my repos? |
| 07:24.49 | Arafangion | Kevin`: One exists, and the other doesn't. |
| 07:25.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/s2disk' (1): (/usr/sbin/s2disk) in admin/uswsusp. |
| 07:25.04 | Arafangion | Kevin`: The one that does work, however, includes xserver-xorg |
| 07:25.08 | Rhoruns | deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib |
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| 07:25.20 | Kevin` | Arafangion both exist on my system.. |
| 07:25.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 's2disk' (1): (/usr/sbin/s2disk) in admin/uswsusp. |
| 07:25.37 | Rhoruns | deb-src http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib |
| 07:25.41 | Kevin` | dpkg your slow today |
| 07:25.51 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Cool. :) Anyway, dpkg said to use xserver-xorg and x-window-system, but did not mention xorg by itself. :) |
| 07:26.11 | Rhoruns | are my repositories correct? |
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| 07:26.48 | Arafangion | Rhoruns: Do you have any other repositories in there? |
| 07:26.52 | Rhoruns | nope |
| 07:26.54 | Rhoruns | that's it |
| 07:26.55 | Kevin` | Rhoruns no, you shoudl have more then that |
| 07:27.07 | Rhoruns | alright then, tell me how to add more. |
| 07:27.18 | Kevin` | remember those commands from before? try nano |
| 07:27.33 | Rhoruns | k, im in the sourceslist with nano |
| 07:27.38 | bonez39 | what does it mean to 'stat' something, when running apt-get? |
| 07:27.43 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/sources.list is mine. use a mirror close to you. you don't need contrib non-free |
| 07:29.08 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell Rhoruns -about sources.list |
| 07:29.09 | Rhoruns | where do i fidn these sources? |
| 07:29.18 | Kevin` | google debian mirrors |
| 07:29.19 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell Rhoruns -about mirrors |
| 07:29.27 | Kevin` | (quickest unless you remember the url) |
| 07:29.37 | Kevin` | or have a dpkg bot, heh |
| 07:29.56 | Rhoruns | i really wish things werent this difficult just to get a couple things working |
| 07:30.02 | bonez39 | stat? anyone |
| 07:30.37 | Supaplex|roaming | Rhoruns: you don't have to try. you could just give up. or suck it up and reach past the learning curve. |
| 07:30.37 | Guerin | bonez39: man stat |
| 07:31.12 | Rhoruns | i've been using linux for 3 years, and i still not have not gone past this 'curve' you speak of |
| 07:31.19 | Kevin` | Rhoruns why didn't you select this stuff when you installed? |
| 07:31.28 | Rhoruns | i did |
| 07:31.37 | Kevin` | did your network not work, or something? |
| 07:31.43 | DavidProck1981 | for no apparent reason, all of a sudden i cant do something as simple as watching stuff on youtube.com, it complains about java or flash and ive reinstalled both, nad still have the same problem, does any one have any suggestion ? |
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| 07:31.54 | bonez39 | Guerin: hmm ... status....ok... |
| 07:32.37 | Rhoruns | i dont know.. |
| 07:32.46 | Kevin` | Rhoruns if you selected desktop in the installer it would have given you a graphical login, and if you did the netinstall, which you did, you should already have an entry in the sources |
| 07:32.51 | Kevin` | Rhoruns it would have told you.. |
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| 07:33.05 | harpal | I have installed a debian 4.0 on hda9 and now I have copy that to partition hda1. my linux is forking fine. I have make a kernel .deb file using kpkg. now when I try to install that kernel than in grub it takes partition as hda9 |
| 07:33.12 | Kevin` | unless you just pressed enter without reading things :) |
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| 07:33.31 | harpal | from where that kernel takes that is hda9 not hda1? I am installing using dpkg |
| 07:33.48 | Kevin` | harpal boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 07:34.24 | Kevin` | part of the code for dpkg is in 'comments', so read through it |
| 07:34.33 | DavidProck1981 | for no apparent reason, all of a sudden i cant do something as simple as watching stuff on youtube.com, it complains about java or flash and ive reinstalled both, nad still have the same problem, does any one have any suggestion ? |
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| 07:35.03 | zl2tod | DavidProck1981, disable noscript ? |
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| 07:35.14 | DavidProck1981 | zl2tod, how |
| 07:35.32 | zl2tod | DavidProck1981, firefox ? |
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| 07:35.41 | zl2tod | iceweasel, whatever |
| 07:35.46 | DavidProck1981 | ya, its iceweasle |
| 07:35.51 | harpal | Kevin`: I have changed that boot/grub/menu.lst and changed partition to hda1 in /etc/fstab. but when I install kernel than it update that menu.lst and put there hda9 insteadof hda1 |
| 07:36.15 | Kevin` | harpal you shouldn't have to be specifically installing the kernel package btw, just run grub-install appropriately. at least that's how I would do it |
| 07:36.15 | Thomsen | I have a pc with only an empty harddrive (no cd/dvd). I can boot from an USB key with SLAX on it. I would like to in stall etch on the HD. Can I run the netinst from SLAX? |
| 07:36.19 | zl2tod | red logo, bottom right hand corner ? |
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| 07:36.45 | Kevin` | harpal did you read through the entire file? like I said, the information for what partition to use is in a COMMENT |
| 07:37.07 | harpal | no I havent read that |
| 07:37.35 | harpal | Is it in menu.lst? |
| 07:37.41 | Kevin` | yes |
| 07:38.07 | Kevin` | # kopt=root=blah |
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| 07:38.54 | Kevin` | with a little bit of text above it saying what it does =p |
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| 07:39.39 | harpal | ya I have # kopt=root=/dev/hda9 ro so its taking it as hda 9 |
| 07:39.42 | harpal | right? |
| 07:39.54 | Kevin` | yes |
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| 07:43.23 | harpal | Kevin`: thanx a lot |
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| 07:44.22 | shnastybiznastic | Alright, I'm trying to use debtakeover to move a slackware box to debian, and when I make debootstrap, I get the error /dev/MAKEDEV: no support for generic-generic Any ideas? |
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| 07:45.08 | amol | kevin`:how to enable hibernate? |
| 07:45.36 | Thomsen | ? Anyone? |
| 07:45.46 | Kevin` | amol I think you just need to install the package that has the suspend utilities (I searched for it before, scroll up). comes with the "laptop" stuff on install |
| 07:47.08 | amol | kevin`:but i am not using laptop..then also is it require to install all stuff of laptop on my system? |
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| 07:47.31 | shnastybiznastic | Thomsen: I don't see why not, although I believe there is a debian USB boot and install howto...http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en#id2530967 |
| 07:47.40 | Kevin` | amol you should just have to install the suspend stuff |
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| 07:48.00 | wols_ | Thomsen: you can use debootstrap |
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| 07:48.39 | ruben__ | Hello, I have a lot of files like rfile-wwwX where X is 1,2,3,4 etc, but using ls rfile-www* it does not sort by number, any idea how can I do it? |
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| 07:49.04 | amol | kevin`:thanks ..1 more i am having doubt ..running program is a process then running kernel module or driver is laso process? |
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| 07:49.44 | Arafangion | amol: Kernel modules are not neccessarily processes. |
| 07:49.56 | Kevin` | amol not all kernel modules create processes. some do |
| 07:49.58 | Arafangion | amol: They are uniquely privilaged. |
| 07:50.15 | Arafangion | amol: Kernel modules can, infact, do just about Anything. |
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| 07:51.06 | amol | in process or thread terms what we can call to these module? |
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| 07:55.29 | Supaplex|roaming | not to mention the noisy laptop fan :) |
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| 07:59.47 | shnastybiznastic | Alright, it seems my makedev issues come from the debian makedev being significantly different than any other distro's. the question is, will it completley screw my slackware (that I'm trying to turn into debian, mind you) up if I build and install the debian version of makedev? |
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| 08:02.20 | DustyBin | if you are running a linux server with lots of people connected to it running a variety of services, how can you list what users are using what service? |
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| 08:04.32 | shnastybiznastic | DustyBin: you can use smbstatus to learn about users connected to your samba server |
| 08:04.49 | DustyBin | aye what about vsftpd ? |
| 08:04.56 | sep | DustyBin, depends on your setup, and on the service in question. i dont think there is a single command that lists up what users are on what services for all the possible services in debian, for shell you can try who, for processes running as a user you can try ps aux for other services there are their own tools |
| 08:05.01 | Supaplex|roaming | DustyBin: depends on the service. pop3/imap clients would be logged in as their own user, unless it's virtualized |
| 08:05.30 | DustyBin | ok thanks :D |
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| 08:05.52 | Supaplex|roaming | and the accounting package can record who runs what, and how much cpu time it used |
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| 08:12.25 | Ranpha1 | I have two computer with two gigabit nework cards. One is always running they other one only for file storages. I got them connect by one cable. The problem is now that it works sometimes and sometimes it won't. It won't estabiles a link then. Only if i reboot download server the link works. Is this fixable? |
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| 08:13.21 | DustyBin | Ranpha1: are you using static IP addresses? |
| 08:14.00 | Ranpha1 | Dustybin yeah it's in the link up , link down. If i wathced dmesg i get these message spamming allaround the place |
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| 08:15.24 | DustyBin | you need to check your syslog and give more detail on the error |
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| 08:16.34 | Ranpha1 | Dustybin what was the command again for that? |
| 08:16.35 | Supaplex|roaming | Ranpha1: is the switch autoneg? full/half duplex mismatches? speed mismatches? cable intact? proper wiring? |
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| 08:17.02 | Supaplex|roaming | Ranpha1: syslogs should be in /var/log |
| 08:17.12 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming no switch, everthing is on auto , both the same chipsets and a new cable which worked ... |
| 08:17.46 | Supaplex|roaming | what's the physical topology of the cable? how long is it? |
| 08:18.03 | DustyBin | Ranpha1: try: tail /var/log/syslog -f |
| 08:18.04 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming cable is a normal cat 5 kable 2 meters long |
| 08:19.26 | Ranpha1 | Dustybin syslog also give the link up link down messages |
| 08:19.37 | DustyBin | could anyone recommend a command line driven cd writing tool what is capable of burning a .ISO |
| 08:19.41 | Supaplex|roaming | not a cross over? just cat5, not cat5e or cat6? What does your nics require? |
| 08:19.49 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell DustyBin -about search |
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| 08:20.09 | DustyBin | Supaplex|roaming: i have apt-cache search but there are lots to choose from |
| 08:20.25 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming no tried crossover didn't worked. the normal cable worked. Because somebody told me here a gigbit nic doesn't need crossover cables anymore |
| 08:21.33 | Supaplex|roaming | Ranpha1: ahh ok. try forcing them to 100mbit for now. your cable is either insufficent, or something is flakey about the driver/chipset/system etc |
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| 08:22.03 | Supaplex|roaming | if the problem still shows on 100mbit, the cable isn't so much the cause (provided it's not utter crap etc) |
| 08:22.48 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming well it worked twice with good speeds. only if i reboot or shutdown one machine they won't connect anymore |
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| 08:23.06 | zl2tod | gigabit ethernet uses all four fairs so crossing them over just confuses things; choice of cable is less critical for short cables; have you looked in /etc/networking/interfaces ? auto eth0 ? |
| 08:23.19 | wols_ | DustyBin: cdrdao. wodim |
| 08:23.27 | Gaidin | hello all at the moment the samba daemons are not starting on boot how would i schive this? |
| 08:23.44 | Ranpha1 | zl2tod : it's not the settings everthing is auto and one is aloow-hotplug but that for internet connection |
| 08:23.52 | Gaidin | *achive |
| 08:23.57 | zl2tod | dhcp ? |
| 08:24.01 | DustyBin | ok thanks |
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| 08:24.35 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming well just rebooted to try something and it works again....it's like russian roulette |
| 08:24.49 | wols_ | Gaidin: dpkg-reconfigure your samba |
| 08:24.55 | Supaplex|roaming | Ranpha1: what kernel and nics are involved? |
| 08:25.04 | zl2tod | Gaidin, make sure they are installed, check the logs in /var/log/samba/ then update-rc.d |
| 08:25.10 | Gaidin | ok |
| 08:25.12 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming kernel 2.6.21-2 and realtek nics |
| 08:25.19 | Gaidin | i will ned step by step |
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| 08:25.23 | Gaidin | i am new to 'nix |
| 08:25.26 | Gaidin | *need |
| 08:25.41 | wols_ | Gaidin: dpkg -l |grep samba |
| 08:25.43 | Supaplex|roaming | Ranpha1: next time, try /etc/init.d/network stop and then start. I hope they're better than the 8139 variety :) |
| 08:25.44 | Gaidin | ok |
| 08:26.05 | wols_ | Supaplex|roaming: don't knock 8139s° great NICs! |
| 08:26.09 | Supaplex|roaming | Gaidin: and if need be, unload the driver after stop, and load it again. do you know what module it is? |
| 08:26.10 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming there 8169 chips |
| 08:26.20 | Gaidin | Supaplex|roaming: no |
| 08:26.33 | Gaidin | ug there are about 5 lines pastebin it? |
| 08:26.38 | Gaidin | or just semi flood? |
| 08:26.43 | Supaplex|roaming | wols_: some of the earlier ones are poor at best. but the 8139c series as after are better :) |
| 08:26.52 | wols_ | Gaidin: first letters each line are "ii"? |
| 08:26.59 | Supaplex|roaming | Gaidin: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 08:27.06 | Gaidin | indeed they are ii |
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| 08:27.21 | Supaplex|roaming | Gaidin: nm my driver comment. it was a misdirect. |
| 08:27.30 | wols_ | Supaplex|roaming: I probably never encoutnered pre-c ones I guess. and true, they are shitty nics, but: they work everywhere and if they break, they're very easy to replace |
| 08:27.30 | Supaplex|roaming | Ranpha1: and if need be, unload the driver after stop, and load it again. do you know what module it is? |
| 08:27.31 | Gaidin | ok |
| 08:27.50 | Gaidin | http://rafb.net/p/U2xUxc28.html |
| 08:27.54 | Supaplex|roaming | wols_: I have a whole box of the 8139C+ :) |
| 08:27.56 | wols_ | Gaidin: ls -al /etc/init.d/samba |
| 08:28.13 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming no clue but something is telling me this isn't a driver problem because on a switch they worked perfectly.... |
| 08:28.14 | Supaplex|roaming | but I'll use intel etherexpress pro (the modern ones) before I'll use a realtek. |
| 08:28.14 | Gaidin | "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2153 2006-10-10 01:05 /etc/init.d/samba |
| 08:28.15 | Gaidin | " |
| 08:28.49 | wols_ | Gaidin: ls -al /etc/rc2.d/S*samba* |
| 08:29.01 | Supaplex|roaming | Ranpha1: interesting. if you know what driver is it, modinfo can show you some alternate paramaters you might be able to use for tuning |
| 08:29.02 | Gaidin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-08-30 20:18 /etc/rc2.d/S20samba -> ../init.d/samba |
| 08:29.04 | wols_ | it should show "/etc/rc2.d/S20samba -> ../init.d/samba" |
| 08:29.20 | wols_ | Gaidin: then stamba gets started on bootup |
| 08:29.24 | Gaidin | odd |
| 08:29.25 | wols_ | ps aux |grep mbd |
| 08:29.32 | Gaidin | cause i had to manually start it |
| 08:29.42 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming yeah but like i said ..i think it isn't in the driver, got a feeling the chips can't see each other sometimes |
| 08:30.03 | Gaidin | http://rafb.net/p/YmUpwx75.html |
| 08:30.19 | Supaplex|roaming | great. lsusb is stalling. wtf. |
| 08:30.35 | wols_ | Gaidin: well, right now samba is running obviously |
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| 08:30.44 | Gaidin | yeah i just started it |
| 08:30.53 | c0rnd0g | morning. |
| 08:30.58 | Gaidin | morning |
| 08:31.18 | wols_ | Gaidin: check syslog if there any errors on samba startup |
| 08:31.21 | Ranpha1 | Supaplex|roaming well it works again ....if this doesn't work i buying a switch...:-) |
| 08:31.25 | wols_ | samba also has its own logs |
| 08:31.28 | Gaidin | ok where is it located? |
| 08:31.37 | wols_ | like all logs in /var/log |
| 08:31.43 | Supaplex|roaming | :( lsusb stuck in "D" |
| 08:31.59 | xdr | is there any way to change the way iptables log? |
| 08:32.07 | Gaidin | ok |
| 08:32.53 | Supaplex|roaming | xdr: there are some things. what would you like? |
| 08:32.59 | wols_ | xdr: be more precise please |
| 08:33.00 | Gaidin | woah |
| 08:33.02 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: what do you need to reading USB for? besides it should just work. |
| 08:33.08 | Gaidin | what am i looking for in that mountain? |
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| 08:33.35 | wols_ | Gaidin: samba logs. "mbd" |
| 08:33.45 | c0rnd0g | xdr: yeah. colorize and make .html. |
| 08:33.57 | wols_ | also, the "mountain" is ordered by time, helping you to isolate it |
| 08:34.27 | Gaidin | there is alot |
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| 08:34.28 | xdr | I just don |
| 08:34.33 | Gaidin | heya GreaseMonkey |
| 08:34.40 | xdr | I just don't want it to log to /var/log/messages |
| 08:34.43 | Gaidin | http://rafb.net/p/4R0xMb16.html |
| 08:34.45 | GreaseMonkey | 'lo |
| 08:34.52 | Supaplex|roaming | c0rnd0g: for one, I have no ethernet. I'd like to swipe some files off this box, so I have a usb stick in it. I'm sick of this so called compatibility the industry tries to convince us of... |
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| 08:35.29 | dimir | Moin! |
| 08:36.14 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: so have an automounter and write a bash shell script that executes whatever you want done when your USB is loaded...over NFS? |
| 08:36.47 | Supaplex|roaming | c0rnd0g: what good is nfs if the ethernet isn't responding? |
| 08:37.13 | Ranpha1 | BTW how can i see if the nics are indeed on gigbit speed? |
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| 08:37.30 | Supaplex|roaming | xdr: three options (I haven't researched this deeply at all). edit /etc/sysctl.conf or readup on the iptables logging options, or consider syslog-ng. good luck =) |
| 08:38.17 | sep | is there a tool that can write a timestamp in front of each line on the console. eg when you debug a mailserver by telneting to it. and you want to have time information present in the log |
| 08:39.17 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: NFS isn't ethernet ONLY, whatever protocol you are using to communicate, doesn't NFS work on that protocol, or no? and if it doesn't native, can you not emulate NFS over ethernet with some type of USB automounter that executes what you need through a BASH shell script? |
| 08:39.18 | zl2tod | Ranpha1, try 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' then connect the cable |
| 08:39.55 | bullgard4 | How to build my ahci driver into my kernel? See http://paste.debian.net/36096 |
| 08:39.57 | Ranpha1 | zl2tod doesn't say the speed here |
| 08:40.06 | Supaplex|roaming | c0rnd0g: I can't even get usb working locally. I think it's related to the ethernet not responding well. kernel messages suggest the 'mp table' is buggy |
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| 08:40.55 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: check w/Synaptic, i had a similar prob. you might need furtther UDEV/hotplug support or something. |
| 08:41.14 | Supaplex|roaming | syslog also says 'controller might be using the wrong irq' (paraphrase) when it senses the stick on the usb bus |
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| 08:41.49 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: check for (1) legacy usb support and (2) of that related former UDEV/hotplug automounter support pls |
| 08:41.53 | SoulChild | hi all, is there a kernelpatch or something to change the way the Text is displayed in boot (without splash)??? I want more colors like in gentoo. |
| 08:42.28 | Judgen_ | hi, i'm looking for a simple to to inventor hardware and software on a debian box |
| 08:42.42 | Judgen_ | simple software |
| 08:42.49 | c0rnd0g | SoulChild: hi. attempt framebuffer for your console, is what Gentoo OS did. |
| 08:43.47 | Supaplex|roaming | c0rnd0g: huh? it was running the latest etch updates as of 2-3 weeks ago. the former system died, but I'm using a different motherboard. no pci cards are installed (to eliminate any possible hw conflicts) |
| 08:44.03 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: tweaking your BIOS IRQ assignments might help you. or doing opposite and letting autoassignment. |
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| 08:44.32 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: whats the issue with your new board and IRQs? |
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| 08:44.37 | SoulChild | c0rnd0g: sorry i don't understand what you arer trying to tell me ? framebuffer is activated |
| 08:44.43 | Supaplex|roaming | c0rnd0g: bios was reset to defaults |
| 08:45.10 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: usbv1 or v2? |
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| 08:45.35 | Supaplex|roaming | 1.x |
| 08:45.46 | c0rnd0g | SoulChild: Gentoo OS is modified kernel framebuffer support you can try dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg and go from there. |
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| 08:46.26 | Supaplex|roaming | ethernet is trying to use irq 0. yes, that's a confirmed zero. bios won't let me assign the irq for it. disabling ethernet seems to have no effect. |
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| 08:46.38 | Supaplex|roaming | just as disabling onboard scsi has seemingly no effect. |
| 08:46.55 | Supaplex|roaming | but I'm not using scsi, I'm using ide, which atleast is working fine. |
| 08:47.15 | SoulChild | c0rnd0g: why should i modifie my xserver,... i don't think it has anything to do with the console at boot up ? |
| 08:47.19 | c0rnd0g | Supaplex|roaming: modify your BIOS to only USB v1 and modify your kernel for USB v1 then check all USB related packages to understand only USB v1 and not v2 *only* such as UDEV/hotplug. i suspect its kernel related if its that bad. |
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| 08:47.33 | c0rnd0g | SoulChild: ok. |
| 08:47.33 | yang | what is the package for apache2 cgi ? |
| 08:47.53 | c0rnd0g | yang: Synaptic will tell you, RTFM. |
| 08:48.05 | Supaplex|roaming | !synaptic |
| 08:48.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/ |
| 08:48.11 | yang | c0rnd0g: yes it gives me 200 matches |
| 08:48.12 | Supaplex|roaming | huh??? |
| 08:48.18 | Supaplex|roaming | oh nm. |
| 08:48.20 | c0rnd0g | yang: do a substr search in Synaptic for "apache" |
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| 08:48.35 | yang | i dont use synaptics bah |
| 08:48.35 | c0rnd0g | yang: then try "apache2" |
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| 08:49.17 | c0rnd0g | !dpkg apache |
| 08:49.25 | c0rnd0g | !dpkg apache2 |
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| 08:51.52 | indraveni | hi all |
| 08:52.10 | indraveni | i am trying to create a bootable usb using which i can install debian |
| 08:52.36 | c0rnd0g | ok |
| 08:52.38 | indraveni | so i followed the steps explained here, http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/Default.aspx?pageindex=6&pageid=45 |
| 08:52.48 | indraveni | and using grub method |
| 08:53.01 | indraveni | i loaded the grub and also my iso image into the usb stick |
| 08:53.15 | shnastybiznastic | Alright, I've gotten the system to the point where I have all the software for debtakeover, but it fails with the error: Bad chroot, clean, correct, and try again. |
| 08:53.19 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell indraveni -about i-g |
| 08:53.20 | indraveni | my menu.list content is something like, title linux |
| 08:53.35 | Supaplex|roaming | indraveni: the i-g covers just that. |
| 08:54.28 | indraveni | Supaplex|roaming, I am creating abootable usb and not using the existing usb |
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| 08:54.59 | c0rnd0g | indraveni: and as a note: Debian default menu.1st is best. not to tweak, unless uncomment desired options. only time i touch it is to test selinux compatibility |
| 08:55.31 | Supaplex|roaming | indraveni: you're using usb to install to whatever, right? btw, is windows installed already? |
| 08:55.40 | indraveni | c0rnd0g, what is debian default menu.list ? |
| 08:55.51 | indraveni | Supaplex|roaming, yes |
| 08:55.56 | c0rnd0g | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.00 | c0rnd0g | right? |
| 08:56.11 | indraveni | c0rnd0g, thats fine, but i am talking about the contents of the menu.list |
| 08:56.23 | Supaplex|roaming | indraveni: www.goodbye-windows.com might be eaiser. but yea, i-g covers using usb to install from. (provided it's not the target to) |
| 08:56.26 | c0rnd0g | ugh, confused, bbl |
| 08:56.50 | Supaplex|roaming | and no, it won't wipe out windows unless you want it to. |
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| 08:58.07 | indraveni | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:58.21 | indraveni | Supaplex|roaming, using syslinux, but i couldnt' secceed in it |
| 08:58.54 | indraveni | when i tried to boot from the usb, it was prompting MBR 1234FA: and stops |
| 08:59.07 | indraveni | so i changed the documentation today morning and tring with grub methosd |
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| 09:01.33 | indraveni | Supaplex|roaming, c0rnd0g so when I used this http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/Default.aspx?pageindex=6&pageid=45 documentation, for creating a botoable usb stick and palced the debia iso image in the stick, it should kernel panic error, and could not find the root filesystem error has come |
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| 09:02.10 | c_newbie | what's the different between lenny and etch? |
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| 09:02.52 | Zapaty | c_newbie lenny is testing and etch is stable |
| 09:03.01 | c_newbie | hi Zapaty |
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| 09:03.02 | c_newbie | thanks |
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| 09:03.06 | Zapaty | np |
| 09:03.29 | c_newbie | anyway, ive tried either ubuntu 64bit and debian 64bit, still i cant make it my php5-cli running well in stream_select |
| 09:03.34 | c_newbie | is there anyway i should do |
| 09:03.40 | c_newbie | its been almost 2 years tho :( |
| 09:03.42 | indraveni | any help in this case please |
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| 09:04.27 | c_newbie | its always working when i installed the server with 32bit mode |
| 09:04.35 | c_newbie | but my current box is 64bit |
| 09:05.41 | Supaplex|roaming | humm dies at enabling io-apic irqs. reboot :-/ |
| 09:05.53 | c_newbie | Zapaty: would you help me? |
| 09:06.10 | Supaplex|roaming | yay. disabling pnp makes usb work. |
| 09:06.17 | Supaplex|roaming | ~lart my bios |
| 09:06.17 | apt | puts my bios into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of my bios's hair of |
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| 09:06.41 | Zapaty | I can`t |
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| 09:07.40 | Supaplex|roaming | bah. ifup eth0 produces a kernel trace. |
| 09:08.03 | shnastybiznastic | are there any better places to ask about debootstrap/debtakeover errors? |
| 09:08.46 | wols_ | #debian-boot I think it is on oftc |
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| 09:09.04 | shnastybiznastic | oftc? |
| 09:09.26 | wols_ | !oftc |
| 09:09.26 | dpkg | i heard oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 09:09.37 | shnastybiznastic | ah, thanks |
| 09:09.45 | c0rnd0g | shnastybiznastic: i thought you didn't have an ethernet card, what is eth0 trying to be raised for? |
| 09:09.46 | wols_ | oftc is where irc.debian.org points to |
| 09:10.24 | shnastybiznastic | c0rnd0g: I'm afraid you may have me confused with Supaplex|roaming |
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| 09:10.28 | c_newbie | which repository for a stable verison? |
| 09:10.39 | Supaplex|roaming | c_newbie: topic |
| 09:10.45 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell c_newbie -about mirrors |
| 09:10.50 | Supaplex|roaming | !tell c_newbie -about sources.list |
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| 09:11.08 | c0rnd0g | shnastybiznastic: i do apologize, sorry about that. a bit senilic i am :) |
| 09:11.40 | shnastybiznastic | c0rnd0g: s'alright |
| 09:11.42 | c_newbie | thanks, i did, but still, it produces an error for php-cli |
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| 09:11.52 | c_newbie | gawd.. its been almost 2 years.. |
| 09:12.06 | wols_ | !tell c_newbie about errors |
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| 09:12.57 | c_newbie | wols_ : ive tried either ubuntu 64bit and debian 64bit, still i cant make it my php5-cli running well in stream_select, its always with endless looping, make my cpu went 100% |
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| 09:13.33 | printk | c_newbie: 10 bucks says it's your code |
| 09:13.42 | c_newbie | how bout 1k |
| 09:13.48 | c_newbie | :) |
| 09:14.03 | c_newbie | the code is working in 32bit |
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| 09:14.19 | c_newbie | its posted on any forums with no answer tho |
| 09:14.48 | printk | weird |
| 09:15.17 | c_newbie | printk: you have a 64bit machine? with php5-cli? |
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| 09:15.49 | printk | nope |
| 09:16.00 | xand | did you ask in ##php? |
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| 09:16.32 | c_newbie | yes, its os related |
| 09:16.40 | c0rnd0g | is there a #medical-linux for self-administering health for the purpose of saving dollars in gas and expenses going to the hospital room? united states citizens only nned apply *rant* :D |
| 09:17.14 | xand | <troll> what you have to pay to see a Dr?! </troll> |
| 09:17.18 | c_newbie | 50 bux for fixing it for me and tell me how |
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| 09:18.06 | SoulChild | Hey all, when I make GRUB set my framebuffer to 1024x786 i get a blank screen until gdm login ,.... any ideas ? |
| 09:18.24 | SoulChild | but i know that my card support that |
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| 09:19.30 | wols_ | c_newbie: tried different OSes? e.g. Solaris or windows 64bit? |
| 09:19.39 | c_newbie | it works for other |
| 09:19.42 | c_newbie | even bsd |
| 09:19.48 | c0rnd0g | xand: a *rant* is not a lurker nor a stirrer of pots. |
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| 09:20.06 | c_newbie | i only do apt-get install apache2 php5 php5-cli |
| 09:20.22 | xand | file a bug report |
| 09:20.28 | wols_ | trieed a custom kernel? custom libc6? |
| 09:20.40 | wols_ | e.g. is it only a debian problem or a linux problem? |
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| 09:21.32 | c0rnd0g | xand: LOL |
| 09:21.36 | c_newbie | please read this: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=40735&edit=1 |
| 09:21.48 | Faithful | sarge is stable now? |
| 09:21.53 | c_newbie | no idea, i only test it on ubuntu, dbian and fbsd 64bit |
| 09:21.58 | c_newbie | working only in fbsd 64bit |
| 09:22.01 | wols_ | c_newbie: "Status:Bogus" |
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| 09:22.16 | wols_ | Faithful: sarge is oldstable. etch is stable |
| 09:22.30 | c_newbie | wols_: yes, but look at the date? ive been trying to seek the solution almost 2 years |
| 09:22.35 | Faithful | Hmm.. |
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| 09:22.54 | Faithful | is oldstable an apt-get word? |
| 09:24.08 | wols_ | !wayytd Faithful |
| 09:24.26 | wols_ | !wayttd Faithful |
| 09:24.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Faithful? |
| 09:24.27 | c_newbie | help please.. |
| 09:24.39 | wols_ | c_newbie: tht "bug report" clearly tells you what to do |
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| 09:24.48 | JosefAssad | Hi |
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| 09:24.56 | Faithful | My sarge repositories are saying there is a KEY error... which is new... |
| 09:25.01 | JosefAssad | I have a slight problem with timezones on this etch box |
| 09:25.10 | wols_ | Faithful: those aren't sarge repositories |
| 09:25.19 | wols_ | Faithful: pastebin your sources.list |
| 09:25.37 | JosefAssad | I have the correct timezone in /etc/timezone but some apps aren't picking it up. They are reverting to UTC |
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| 09:27.27 | c0rnd0g | JosefAssad: do you have network on that box? |
| 09:27.55 | JosefAssad | c0rnd0g: yessir. I've update-rc.d -f ntp remove'd though, if that's what you're htinking? |
| 09:28.11 | c0rnd0g | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.35 | JosefAssad | c0rnd0g: hm, as in running those? |
| 09:28.43 | c0rnd0g | JosefAssad: yes. |
| 09:28.54 | c0rnd0g | JosefAssad: its not a bad idea really... |
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| 09:29.20 | Faithful | wols_: http://pastebin.org/1639 |
| 09:29.22 | wols_ | from his description, his system clock is alright. it'S the timezone that is broken |
| 09:29.29 | JosefAssad | c0rnd0g: well, I did have ntpd running but it didn't fix the problem. Though, I _did_ fix /etc/timezone _after_ disabling ntpd, so I might try re-enabling it |
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| 09:30.26 | wols_ | Faithful: sarge doesn't have an apt-get dealing with keys (secure apt). so I dunno why you have this problem. it shouldn't exist |
| 09:30.37 | c_newbie | anyone have been working with debian 64bit and php5-cli? |
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| 09:30.42 | wols_ | my thought was you had "stable" in your sources.list but it's "sarge" explicitly |
| 09:30.45 | JosefAssad | further, shouldn't whatever is in /etc/timezone propagate to user logins? I assume that the user only needs to set TZ if they happen to be in a timezone different to the system? |
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| 09:31.00 | wols_ | c_newbie: why didn't you do what that bug report suggested? |
| 09:31.08 | c0rnd0g | JosefAssad: i'd run it and broadcast as much as possible really. what i do. |
| 09:31.28 | c0rnd0g | JosefAssad: think of it like identd yet more standardized and open :) |
| 09:31.34 | c_newbie | wols_: brother, its been almost 2 years w/out an answer |
| 09:31.58 | JosefAssad | c0rnd0g: Well, when you asked about the network, I might have misunderstood. This is a single box, but it does have an internet connection |
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| 09:32.18 | wols_ | c_newbie: that bug report suggest to compile php with -O1. also, this bug report is NOT 2 years old. 2 years ago there was no gcc 4.1.1 |
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| 09:32.36 | c_newbie | wols_ : i did it with apt-get, not from tarbal |
| 09:32.47 | c0rnd0g | c_newbie: why do you need the 64bit part? there really is no difference btwn 32bit and 64bit at this point unless graphics related i'm thinking |
| 09:32.47 | Faithful | wols_: well it was because the box was set to testing/unstable and someone must have run apt-get |
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| 09:33.14 | wols_ | Faithful: I suggest you upgrade to etch, current stable anyways |
| 09:33.20 | Faithful | it was setup when sarge was testing. |
| 09:33.21 | wols_ | !tell Faithful about sarge->etch |
| 09:33.39 | c_newbie | c0rnd0g: you wouldnt buy a 64bit processor if you dont know what is it for, right? ofcoz for better math |
| 09:33.55 | wols_ | better math? |
| 09:34.11 | c_newbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.22 | wols_ | that is both BS |
| 09:34.27 | c0rnd0g | c_newbie: my cpu is 64bit yet i not dare run 64bit kernel, etc :) |
| 09:34.38 | wols_ | well it depends on the workload but generally it's not true |
| 09:34.59 | c_newbie | wols_: ive tested mysql on 64bit and 32bit,, a big differences |
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| 09:35.31 | wols_ | the main reason is to easily address >4GB. that's all |
| 09:35.38 | c_newbie | and webserver in 32bit and 64bit |
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| 09:35.53 | c0rnd0g | c_newbie: i let the instruction set emulate 32bit and take the hit due to lack of stable integration of 64bit CPU on the OS level :) |
| 09:36.20 | wols_ | c0rnd0g: makes no sense either. linux is fine on 64bit |
| 09:36.37 | wols_ | esepcially on servers |
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| 09:37.05 | c_newbie | it was my bug's report one years ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/80852 |
| 09:37.13 | indraveni | how can i put the debian install cd image into the usb stick and make it bootable |
| 09:37.33 | indraveni | i followed the steps given in http://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/Default.aspx?pageindex=6&pageid=45, to make my usb stick bootable and |
| 09:37.42 | RvGaTe^work | Is there an shell based msn client? (something like irssi, but then for msn) |
| 09:37.48 | wols_ | c_newbie: that's great, but, for the last time: have you done what the bugreport on php.net you yourself linked suggested? yes or no? |
| 09:37.51 | indraveni | then copied my iso image mounted content into the usb stick, but its not wokring |
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| 09:38.01 | indraveni | is there anything else that i am missing |
| 09:38.04 | wols_ | RvGaTe^work: bitlbee |
| 09:38.15 | wols_ | !tell indraveni about doesn't work |
| 09:38.17 | c_newbie | wols_: pardon? |
| 09:38.30 | wols_ | c_newbie: the bug report you linked had a workaround. did you use it? |
| 09:38.39 | indraveni | i am sorry |
| 09:38.52 | c_newbie | wols_: yes |
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| 09:39.02 | c_newbie | it will crash my server |
| 09:39.05 | c_newbie | hung |
| 09:39.09 | c_newbie | 100% cpu hog |
| 09:39.11 | wols_ | c_newbie: you recompiled php and it crashed your server? |
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| 09:39.25 | indraveni | when i am tring to boot witht he usb, the error is , please append a correct root= " " option, kernel panic - not syncing |
| 09:39.27 | c_newbie | wols_: i only install it with apt-get |
| 09:39.37 | indraveni | and it stops booting here, |
| 09:39.40 | wols_ | c_newbie: so you didn't do it |
| 09:39.49 | RvGaTe^work | wols_: thx, so that will basicly create a new irc server? |
| 09:39.54 | c_newbie | wols_: you mean i have to install it with tarbal? |
| 09:40.02 | wols_ | c_newbie: no I didn't say that |
| 09:40.22 | indraveni | when i am mounting the usb, tis under /dev/sdb1, and thus in my menu.list also, i have given the root=/dev/sdb1 |
| 09:40.28 | wols_ | c_newbie: also, we don't give a flying fuck about ubuntu errors, no matter how old. tell #ubuntu about those |
| 09:40.35 | indraveni | but the error says that its not valid, |
| 09:40.35 | c_newbie | well |
| 09:40.40 | wols_ | indraveni: try sda1 |
| 09:40.41 | c_newbie | it still error on debian too |
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| 09:40.50 | c_newbie | :/ |
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| 09:41.06 | wols_ | c_newbie: you can create your own debs. easily |
| 09:41.10 | wols_ | apt-get source |
| 09:41.23 | wols_ | and then you can tweak gcc optimization settings |
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| 09:42.17 | c_newbie | then how to install it again |
| 09:42.20 | indraveni | wols_, same is the erro rmessae |
| 09:42.47 | wols_ | c_newbie: how do you install .debs? |
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| 09:43.26 | c_newbie | i only do apt-get install |
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| 09:43.39 | indraveni | wols_, is my method of creating the installable usb stick is correct or not ? |
| 09:43.52 | wols_ | c_newbie: please rename yourself to debian_newbie. kthxbye |
| 09:44.34 | c_newbie | well i am, that;s why im here and asking |
| 09:44.37 | wols_ | !tell c_newbie about apt howto |
| 09:44.48 | wols_ | and I told you waht to do |
| 09:44.59 | wols_ | "apt-get source" is quite a big hint |
| 09:45.49 | wols_ | it could be that 64bitness exposes a optimization bug in gcc for php. even if it's hard to reproduce |
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| 09:47.22 | wols_ | indraveni: what partition has your /sbin/init on the usb stick? that's what the kernel wants |
| 09:47.33 | c_newbie | apt-get source php5-cli? |
| 09:47.38 | wols_ | now you need to find out under what device name this partition shows up when booting |
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| 09:47.43 | JosefAssad | ok, no good |
| 09:48.00 | JosefAssad | if I'm logging in from gdm, none of my programs pick up the timezone |
| 09:48.05 | wols_ | c_newbie: php5-cli is not your php5 interpreter |
| 09:48.16 | wols_ | as a php programmer you should know that |
| 09:48.17 | JosefAssad | mind, none progrms pick it up at all |
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| 09:49.36 | Phil4 | hi guys, this might not really be a Debian question but I'm not sure where else to ask... |
| 09:49.59 | Phil4 | I have 2 NICs on my Debian install, eth0 and eth1 and I have setup openvpn which is listening on the eth0 IP |
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| 09:50.04 | indraveni | wols_, i dont have /sbin/init/ under my usb stick |
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| 09:50.33 | Phil4 | the logs claim that I am connecting to it properly but I can't access anything behind the eth1 interface |
| 09:50.35 | indraveni | wols_, i am not having a filesystem copied on the usb |
| 09:50.40 | wols_ | indraveni: how do you think it will run linux then? somewhere on that stick there must be an init for you to be able to boot from it... |
| 09:50.45 | Phil4 | can anyone shead any light on what I need to be doing to get this working? |
| 09:51.08 | indraveni | wols_, i am tring to place an install image into the usb, so that i can isntall my os, using the usb stick |
| 09:51.31 | wols_ | indraveni: where do you want your root filesystem to be? |
| 09:51.44 | c_newbie | ok, ive apt-get source php5 |
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| 09:52.07 | indraveni | wols_, i have an iso image and insteab of burning it into the CD, i want it to be booted with a usb stick |
| 09:52.26 | wols_ | indraveni: answer my question |
| 09:52.47 | indraveni | wols_, my filesystem will come into picture after i install my os only |
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| 09:52.57 | wols_ | indraveni: you are mistaken |
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| 09:53.20 | wols_ | to install debian, the installre needs a root fs. usually this is on the CD. where is yours? |
| 09:54.02 | indraveni | wols_, in usb i mounted the iso image |
| 09:54.14 | indraveni | sorry copied the iso image contents into the usb |
| 09:54.17 | c_newbie | wols_: please give me more clues. |
| 09:54.23 | indraveni | i dont see any filesystem there |
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| 09:55.29 | wols_ | c_newbie: you edit your debian/ files (I think it's control) to use -O1 instead of -O2 and build php5 |
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| 09:55.57 | indraveni | wols_, please direct me in creating an isntablle usb |
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| 09:56.27 | c_newbie | wols_: which file is it exactly? |
| 09:56.27 | wols_ | indraveni: I never did that myself, sorry. but debian CDs usually have a file which contains a root fs |
| 09:56.40 | wols_ | c_newbie: I don#t know offhand. how about grepping? |
| 09:56.56 | wols_ | you do know what compiler options are, don't you c_newbie? |
| 09:57.31 | wols_ | indraveni: uaually debian CDs use syslinux, not grub tho |
| 09:58.07 | c_newbie | gosh, how many time ive tried to explain, i only do apt-get install |
| 09:58.09 | mbroeker | indraveni, http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#id2535658 |
| 09:58.39 | fasta | My machine stops at random times, but when I reboot it works again for some time. Can I see some logs of what happened last during the previous shutdown? |
| 09:58.53 | wols_ | c_newbie: and how many times do I have to explain: this might not be enough in this case. I pointed you to apt howto |
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| 09:59.31 | zl2tod | fasta less /var/log/syslog |
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| 10:00.57 | wols_ | fasta: usually not. if a machine does this it usually crashes which means no logs are written. a offsite syslog daemon might, but only might, help |
| 10:01.19 | themill_ | c_newbie: compile options are set in the file debian/rules within the source package |
| 10:01.35 | wols_ | themill_: thanks. didn't remember which file. rarely need to do it myself |
| 10:01.41 | c_newbie | is it makefile's file? |
| 10:01.48 | wols_ | c_newbie: no |
| 10:02.39 | indraveni | mbroeker, i have followed the steps explained here in the flexible way, but when i try to boot usb after following that, it blinks with a cursor on the screen |
| 10:02.45 | c_newbie | [18:01] <themill_> c_newbie: compile options are set in the file debian/rules within the source package <-- where is it? |
| 10:02.45 | themill_ | c_newbie: debian/rules is a makefile but it is generally not the one distributed by upstream. It basically does the ./configure; make; make install routine on the package and then makes the .deb for you |
| 10:03.21 | jetscreamer | it's all just grist for themill_ |
| 10:03.39 | themill_ | !kill jetscreamer |
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| 10:03.50 | themill_ | ohhh.... shiny new p.d.o :) |
| 10:03.56 | themill_ | now with css goodness |
| 10:04.23 | themill_ | c_newbie: did you apt-get source php5? |
| 10:04.30 | c_newbie | yes i did |
| 10:04.37 | c_newbie | but i dont know what i should do next |
| 10:04.51 | themill_ | and did you look at the files that it downloaded? |
| 10:05.03 | c_newbie | yes, im looking the debian/rules now |
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| 10:06.01 | c_newbie | themill_: i was unable make my php5-cli working with stream_select on my debian 64bit, its always went crash the cpu 100%. |
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| 10:08.11 | jetscreamer | what's the better faster stronger netfs ... cifs, coda, smb, sshfs... |
| 10:08.15 | jetscreamer | nfs |
| 10:08.27 | themill_ | c_newbie: that has little to do with the bug you cited earlier. Why are you chasing around that bug and what do you hope to achieve with recompiling php? |
| 10:08.27 | wols_ | !better |
| 10:08.28 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 10:08.28 | wols_ | :) |
| 10:08.36 | jetscreamer | yeah yeah but answer the question |
| 10:08.57 | jetscreamer | faster |
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| 10:08.58 | wols_ | themill_: he pasted a php.net bugreport which claimed it was caused by a gcc optimization bug |
| 10:09.12 | wols_ | the submitter said the bug went away with -O1 instead of -O2 |
| 10:09.23 | themill_ | jetscreamer: nfs is a pita imo. cifs is ok for somethings, smb should go away and die. sshfs I've not used but fuse stuff sounds more resilient to failure than nfs etc. |
| 10:09.27 | wols_ | jetscreamer: nfs probably. sshfs is slooow. doubt that coda is fast |
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| 10:09.48 | wols_ | themill_: he didn't ask if it was a pita. just speed :) |
| 10:09.58 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: nfs for speed |
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| 10:10.16 | jetscreamer | or more usually preferred given a most common situation... ... sshfs seems a tad slower than cifs.. ahh k nfs then. (all local) |
| 10:10.28 | themill_ | wols_: the bug is in the same function, but it's about returned descriptors vs 100% cpu... |
| 10:10.33 | wols_ | jetscreamer: most common: cifs |
| 10:10.34 | c_newbie | wols_: im so sorry, dude, im not quite expert in debian :).. ive edited the debian/rules |
| 10:10.39 | themill_ | c_newbie: please keep it in the channel and not in pm. |
| 10:10.41 | wols_ | if you are *nix only you can go nfs |
| 10:10.44 | c_newbie | should i type apt-get install php5? |
| 10:11.03 | jetscreamer | cifs seems to bork out in the middle of an episode of law and order ... :) |
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| 10:11.06 | wols_ | c_newbie: dpkg-buildpackage |
| 10:11.16 | jetscreamer | yeah all nix |
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| 10:11.18 | wols_ | jetscreamer: in my mixed LAN here, it works fine |
| 10:11.34 | jetscreamer | unless i boot to windows which i don't do a lot |
| 10:11.48 | wols_ | NFS on windows is absolutely truly epcially horrible |
| 10:12.02 | c_newbie | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. <-- |
| 10:12.04 | jetscreamer | samba/cifs for when the windows is up |
| 10:12.12 | jelly-home | wols_: on W2003R2 / SFU? |
| 10:12.15 | wols_ | c_newbie: apt-get build-dep php5 |
| 10:12.18 | jetscreamer | but nix/nix nfs i guess... (poetry) |
| 10:12.31 | wols_ | jelly-home: I tried several NFS clients/servers |
| 10:12.34 | themill_ | jetscreamer: it depends to some extent on what sort of user-uid-cross-system mapping you want to do (or not...) |
| 10:12.34 | c_newbie | omg |
| 10:12.36 | wols_ | SFU too |
| 10:12.37 | c_newbie | the whole source.. |
| 10:12.59 | jetscreamer | themill_: same username, uid, gid on both boxes |
| 10:13.13 | jetscreamer | me, 1000 |
| 10:13.16 | themill_ | jetscreamer: that helps a lot... makes things like nfs a bit more sane ;) |
| 10:13.49 | themill_ | jetscreamer: and if it's just you then you can make smb work too as you can squash everything to that uid without too many problems... |
| 10:14.29 | jelly-home | smb protocol is chatty as hell and quite slow |
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| 10:14.40 | jetscreamer | this 700intel has enough to worry about w/o overhead it seems |
| 10:14.40 | themill_ | *nod* |
| 10:15.03 | wols_ | jetscreamer: a p100 can saturate a fast ethernet nic |
| 10:15.12 | wols_ | so unless you have gbit, it should be fine |
| 10:15.39 | wols_ | c_newbie: don't gloat too soon. the bug/error/whatever is not fixed yet |
| 10:15.44 | themill_ | jetscreamer: I do find that windoze smb does a lot of spurious name lookups which can then take a long time to time out if things are not working well for you. |
| 10:16.03 | jetscreamer | all i know is watching video that is on the remote box seems to bork out halfway through, so i was looking for a better alternative |
| 10:16.21 | jetscreamer | moreso with samba than sshfs |
| 10:16.22 | wols_ | jetscreamer: then something else is wrong. broks out hou? |
| 10:16.36 | wols_ | cause a 350MB file is nothing. or should be nothing |
| 10:16.40 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: is the file larger than 2GB perhaps? |
| 10:16.40 | jetscreamer | stops getting packets? |
| 10:16.48 | jetscreamer | no it's a 350 |
| 10:17.06 | jelly-home | "should work" |
| 10:17.14 | jetscreamer | course the remote was getting more 350's... |
| 10:17.16 | wols_ | I did that when my fileserver used a 486 and PIO mode only (undex XFS 2.4 kernels my smb connection would drop when deleting a ISO file.... kernel 2.5 fixed that btw) |
| 10:17.19 | jetscreamer | at the time |
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| 10:17.43 | jetscreamer | but shouldn't have been filling up the local lan |
| 10:17.44 | wols_ | jetscreamer: the P3 700 uses busmaster DMA for disks? |
| 10:17.48 | c_newbie | i know.. still waiting, for downloadin the rest depencies |
| 10:18.21 | jetscreamer | wols_: now that you mention it maybe dma is off.. i never checked... /me checks |
| 10:18.24 | wols_ | c_newbie: you maybe could also edit and put some logging/debugging code iny stream_select functions of php to do some testing for example |
| 10:18.25 | fasta | Can anyone look at this? It says the temperature of my power supply is 127 degrees! http://paste.debian.net/36107 |
| 10:18.40 | wols_ | jetscreamer: what filesystem is the remote? |
| 10:18.44 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: does copying the remote file to /dev/null work, instead of just watching the file? |
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| 10:18.54 | c_newbie | wols_: yes, i tried before, its become endless looping , ive tried strace |
| 10:19.02 | wols_ | fasta: ignore it. wrong sensor reading |
| 10:19.13 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.15 | fasta | wols_: anything else that's odd? |
| 10:19.22 | unilynx | haha |
| 10:19.36 | fasta | wols_: since my machine stops when I run my own cpuburn program |
| 10:19.42 | wols_ | jetscreamer: dmesg | grep BM |grep DMA. |
| 10:19.58 | jetscreamer | jelly-home: copying the file works fine... i never tried to pipe it to /dev/null, but it's cp'ing a lot of them atm |
| 10:20.22 | wols_ | fasta: your cpu is cooler than your mobo. not really possible. especially not 20° |
| 10:20.37 | wols_ | the mobo is quite hot at 35 unless you have 30°+ where you are right now |
| 10:20.39 | jetscreamer | ide0: BM-DMA at 0x1c00-0x1c07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA |
| 10:20.50 | fasta | wols_: yes, it should be hotter. |
| 10:20.52 | wols_ | jetscreamer: bm-dma it is then |
| 10:21.01 | fasta | wols_: This is the output of "sensors". |
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| 10:21.06 | fasta | wols_: is there anything better/ |
| 10:21.13 | fasta | wols_: ?* |
| 10:21.14 | wols_ | fasta: cpu and mobo temps are switched. still, your mobo is kinda ot |
| 10:21.18 | wols_ | *hot |
| 10:21.22 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: eh, so that works, but reading slowly fails eventually? Does ifconfig show any problems with network? |
| 10:21.32 | wols_ | mbmon. better is in the eye of the beholder |
| 10:22.37 | fasta | wols_: before I had a PSU of 350Watts, now I have one of 450, does that matter? |
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| 10:22.45 | jelly-home | mbmon is the small dirty app that pokes on io directly, right? |
| 10:22.56 | wols_ | fasta: matter for what? |
| 10:23.05 | fasta | Temp.= 55.0, 25.0, 35.0; Rot.= 7417, 0, 0 |
| 10:23.05 | wols_ | jelly-home: yes |
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| 10:23.25 | wols_ | fasta: it can but shouldn't usually. depends on the fan arrangement of the PSU |
| 10:23.49 | fasta | wols_: for explaining why my machine halts without apparent reason. |
| 10:23.49 | jetscreamer | i forgot something that i'm not used to using... it's wireless. there was some weird tkip msg in console come to think of it, i didn't think to note it at the time. |
| 10:25.04 | jetscreamer | wonder if it's my shit router |
| 10:25.16 | wols_ | fasta: when exactly does it halt and how? |
| 10:25.22 | jetscreamer | i should try the openwrt or whatever |
| 10:25.32 | wols_ | ie are you doing something special, etc? what if you run mprime? what if memtest86? |
| 10:25.33 | fasta | wols_: it halts when I run a program that basically runs an infinite loop. |
| 10:25.46 | wols_ | run mprime |
| 10:25.51 | fasta | wols_: it uses 99% CPU and 0.1% memory. |
| 10:26.13 | wols_ | it sounds like overheating of the CPU |
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| 10:26.36 | jetscreamer | you wouldn't believe all the animal hair i get in my psu and cpu |
| 10:26.43 | jetscreamer | you might clean yours |
| 10:26.50 | themill_ | too much information...! |
| 10:26.55 | fasta | jetscreamer: I just got a new one. |
| 10:26.57 | jetscreamer | hair/dust/stuff |
| 10:26.58 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: I guess you could try nfs, tcp and udp versions, see if any of those works better with the (usually flaky wireless) connection |
| 10:26.59 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 10:27.17 | fasta | wols_: mprime? |
| 10:27.19 | wols_ | fasta: have you cleaned your CPU heatsink? are you a smoker? |
| 10:27.38 | wols_ | fasta: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPrime |
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| 10:27.40 | fasta | wols_: I am not a smoker, and no I haven't cleaned it. |
| 10:27.54 | fasta | wols_: although, it didn't look terribly dirty. |
| 10:27.54 | wols_ | if you haven't cleaned it this year yet: do it now |
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| 10:28.07 | jetscreamer | i thought he said he just bought a new one |
| 10:28.15 | wols_ | jetscreamer: he bought a PSU |
| 10:28.19 | c_newbie | wols_: err.. is it installing the whole things? |
| 10:28.20 | fasta | wols_: the heat sink is that giant metal thing around the CPU right? (Just to be sure) |
| 10:28.23 | jetscreamer | o |
| 10:28.27 | wols_ | c_newbie: what do you mean? |
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| 10:28.34 | jetscreamer | yes the one with the fins |
| 10:28.36 | wols_ | fasta: yes. with the fan on top |
| 10:28.37 | c_newbie | its wrote setting up blablablabla |
| 10:28.38 | jetscreamer | cooling fins |
| 10:28.45 | jetscreamer | and the fan |
| 10:29.10 | jetscreamer | take the fan off, not the heatsink |
| 10:29.18 | wols_ | c_newbie: it's pretty muhc only hedaders it installs. the libraries themselves are already installed (-dev packages) |
| 10:29.22 | jetscreamer | well that's what i do |
| 10:29.35 | c_newbie | wols_ : after im doint "apt-get build-dep php5" its alot of things downloaded and setting up auto |
| 10:29.38 | jetscreamer | look first though and see if it's dirty |
| 10:29.42 | wols_ | c_newbie: yes |
| 10:29.46 | jetscreamer | flashlight |
| 10:29.55 | wols_ | c_newbie: it installs build-dependencies for php5 |
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| 10:30.22 | c_newbie | oh ok, then im dpkg-ing now |
| 10:30.25 | wols_ | fasta: usually it's full of dust. however, a thlonxp should be ok with 55°. mine is a lot hotter |
| 10:31.29 | jetscreamer | my xp2400 craps out at about 175 or 195 F |
| 10:31.54 | jetscreamer | i never noted what it was when it dies, just what it is when i restart and look |
| 10:31.56 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 10:32.06 | jetscreamer | usually runs at about 42c |
| 10:32.11 | wols_ | my barton2500 >75°C to crash |
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| 10:33.58 | unilynx | How long before testing goes to 2.6.22? |
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| 10:34.31 | jetscreamer | who knows |
| 10:34.44 | jetscreamer | feel free to compile your own, it will work fine |
| 10:35.11 | unilynx | I know that's probably an annoying question. I was just curious because I'm thinking I'll need to compile myself so I can get my ATI card with direct rendering |
| 10:35.14 | jetscreamer | i was wondering also today, but it wasn't today |
| 10:35.29 | jetscreamer | you just need to take paravirt_ops out/off |
| 10:35.40 | unilynx | and recompile? |
| 10:35.48 | jetscreamer | uh yeah |
| 10:35.59 | unilynx | so that fixes the build issue? |
| 10:36.06 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 10:36.16 | jetscreamer | at least that was the nvidia problem |
| 10:36.24 | jetscreamer | and afaik same for fglrx |
| 10:36.27 | fasta | wols_: can I install mprime via apt? |
| 10:37.17 | wols_ | fasta: afaik no |
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| 10:37.24 | fasta | wols_: Ok, I got it |
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| 10:37.47 | jetscreamer | there are other stress test apps in sources though |
| 10:37.55 | jetscreamer | (if you care) |
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| 10:38.19 | fasta | It's rather pointless, since my own stress test also already works. |
| 10:38.25 | fasta | (in that it brings the machine down) |
| 10:38.56 | jetscreamer | does it do it with cpu intensive operations? compiling |
| 10:38.56 | fasta | I will monitor mbmon, but is there anything else I should monitor? |
| 10:39.20 | fasta | jetscreamer: the program I wrote is an infinite loop updating a counter. |
| 10:39.39 | fasta | jetscreamer: i.e. CPU intensive. |
| 10:39.42 | jetscreamer | doesn't sound very cpu intensive |
| 10:39.53 | zl2tod | munin can be useful for monitoring temps etc |
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| 10:40.00 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 10:40.01 | fasta | jetscreamer: It uses 99% CPU |
| 10:40.08 | fasta | jetscreamer: what's not intensive about that? |
| 10:40.43 | fasta | Ok, going to run the mprime program... |
| 10:40.57 | CrippsFX | jetscreamer, if it's not properly threaded, infinite loops use insane amounts of CPU ;) |
| 10:41.50 | c_newbie | wols_: i havent install mysql_client, is that ok? i mean for this dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 10:42.50 | fasta | What a nice program, it doesn't respond to C-c or C-d... |
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| 10:43.23 | CreativeOne | Hello |
| 10:43.23 | CreativeOne | I have a question... I cant switch to console when I press control + alt + fx |
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| 10:44.21 | themill_ | chvt |
| 10:44.26 | CreativeOne | what? |
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| 10:44.44 | fasta | CreativeOne: probably the name of a program. |
| 10:44.55 | wols_ | Celelibi_: dunno actually. might work, might now (for php mysql support) |
| 10:45.04 | wols_ | *might not |
| 10:45.29 | fasta | CreativeOne: apt-get install kbd |
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| 10:46.34 | c_newbie | omg. when its gonna stop compiling... |
| 10:46.55 | wols_ | php is a big mofo |
| 10:47.03 | c_newbie | :D |
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| 10:47.23 | mindshift | how bloated is the debain minimal installation? |
| 10:47.36 | liable | horrifically |
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| 10:47.49 | fasta | It seem mbmon doesn't output to stdout... |
| 10:47.54 | liable | if you think a shell and base programs is bloat.. |
| 10:48.22 | fasta | mindshift: Take LFS, Debian is bloated! |
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| 10:48.53 | mindshift | :) |
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| 10:49.02 | mindshift | LFS doesn't have a package manager :) |
| 10:49.08 | c_newbie | anyway, does anyone successfully installed a heartbeat load balancer in debian b4? |
| 10:50.19 | c_newbie | ah |
| 10:50.20 | c_newbie | finally |
| 10:50.28 | fasta | This is odd. |
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| 10:50.34 | unilynx | Is there a way to copy my current kernel settings when compiling a new one? |
| 10:50.42 | fasta | mbmon > readings doesn't show output, but also doesn't put it in readings |
| 10:50.47 | jetscreamer | it's automagic |
| 10:50.51 | fasta | mbmon does show output. |
| 10:50.56 | fasta | How can that be? |
| 10:51.05 | jetscreamer | it will use the config of the running kernel |
| 10:51.18 | c_newbie | wols_: ive build the deb.. |
| 10:51.19 | jetscreamer | you can cp /boot/config-whatever to .config also |
| 10:51.28 | unilynx | ok |
| 10:51.30 | unilynx | thanks |
| 10:51.43 | wols_ | c_newbie: you can dpkg -i it now |
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| 10:51.50 | liable | jetscreamer: really? does kpkg do that automagically? |
| 10:51.56 | fasta | wols_: do you have an explanation for that? |
| 10:52.15 | c_newbie | wols_: the whole debs? |
| 10:52.17 | wols_ | fasta: not really |
| 10:52.17 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 10:52.27 | liable | hrm, didn't know that |
| 10:52.39 | wols_ | c_newbie: the one with the interpreter at least (the shared lib(s)) |
| 10:52.42 | CreativeOne | could someone please help me? |
| 10:52.54 | CreativeOne | I cant switch to a console from gnome through ALT+CTRL+FX |
| 10:53.00 | CreativeOne | F1 throhg F6. |
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| 10:53.26 | liable | CreativeOne: are you using fglrx driver or something? |
| 10:53.35 | jelly-home | CreativeOne: workaround: as root, chvt 1 |
| 10:53.42 | fasta | CreativeOne: did you follow the advice we gave you? |
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| 10:54.02 | CreativeOne | what is chvt 1? |
| 10:54.06 | CreativeOne | fasta: what advice? |
| 10:54.07 | fasta | CreativeOne: did you install the package? |
| 10:54.10 | CreativeOne | liable: no, an intel driver. |
| 10:54.14 | CreativeOne | fasta: which package? |
| 10:54.15 | fasta | CreativeOne: I gave you a command. |
| 10:54.22 | fasta | CreativeOne: execute that command. |
| 10:54.30 | fasta | CreativeOne: then you rcan run chvt as root. |
| 10:54.36 | fasta | can, even |
| 10:54.49 | CreativeOne | done |
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| 10:54.53 | CreativeOne | that switched me to console mode |
| 10:54.59 | c_newbie | WHOAAAA |
| 10:55.02 | c_newbie | ITS WORKNG ! |
| 10:55.05 | fasta | CreativeOne: well, that's exactly what you wanted :) |
| 10:55.23 | CreativeOne | fasta: that does not work when i hit control alt f1-f6 |
| 10:55.32 | mindshift | lol, there are around 110 different linux distributions |
| 10:55.54 | fasta | CreativeOne: you need to find out what does happen when you press Control-Alt-F* |
| 10:55.58 | mindshift | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/LinuxDistroTimeline.png |
| 10:56.06 | fasta | CreativeOne: probably they are already bound to something else. |
| 10:56.24 | CreativeOne | fasta: could it be that I have deleted all the hotkeys on gnome? |
| 10:56.44 | fasta | CreativeOne: that could be, I don't know the full implications of that. |
| 10:57.04 | fasta | CreativeOne: a default installation of Gnome doesn't have a broken configuration w.r.t. that |
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| 10:57.32 | Arafangion | c_newbie: You need to return to your english classes and revise your grammar. |
| 10:57.52 | fasta | CreativeOne: so, if you just want it to work you could delete all your .gnome* dirs (or move them). |
| 10:58.24 | fasta | Ok, talking to someone who isn't here, doesn't help. |
| 10:58.25 | Judgen_ | i need a simple application to inventory the hardware on my debian server, any tip? |
| 10:58.36 | mindshift | Arafangion |
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| 10:58.58 | liable | Judgen_: lspci |
| 10:59.08 | Arafangion | mindshift: Yes? |
| 10:59.10 | AmR|EiSa | what kernel ver r1 have ? |
| 10:59.25 | liable | r1 have? |
| 10:59.31 | mindshift | Arafangion: Just checking. |
| 11:00.13 | Arafangion | mindshift: CHecking what in particular? |
| 11:00.17 | Judgen_ | liable: need a little bit more than that... any other tip? |
| 11:00.22 | AmR|EiSa | if i install 4.0r1 what ver i will have ??? |
| 11:00.34 | unilynx | Do I need the dev files for glib, and gtk to compile the kernel? I keep getting errors when running "make gconfig" and am trying to figure out what it needs. |
| 11:00.35 | liable | Judgen_: what exactly do you need? |
| 11:00.54 | mindshift | Arafangion: Your grammar. |
| 11:00.57 | Judgen_ | liable : CPU, mem, serial nr, vendor etc |
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| 11:01.22 | Judgen_ | liable : winmsd :-P |
| 11:01.26 | Arafangion | mindshift: Does it pass your standards? |
| 11:01.29 | treKrem | i want to get rid of some half-installed packages (gjdoc and libecj-java-gcj on testing), but the post-removal script returns an error code (2) and removal is aborted. hpw could i resolve that? |
| 11:01.33 | AmR|EiSa | liable, ? |
| 11:01.41 | c_newbie | wols_: i got 3 machine left with same specification, should i only copy the *deb. or rebuild like it was? |
| 11:01.54 | AmR|EiSa | ! |
| 11:02.13 | liable | AmR|EiSa: what? your comment makes no sense |
| 11:02.21 | liable | Judgen_: winsmd? |
| 11:02.33 | jelly-home | treKrem: debug /var/lib/dpkg/info/package-name.postrm and make it work |
| 11:02.35 | Arafangion | treKrem: WHen something is truely broken, it can sometimes be tricky. |
| 11:02.49 | mindshift | Arafangion: Well, you mistyped "CHecking". |
| 11:02.59 | AmR|EiSa | i want know the kernel ver only ??? |
| 11:03.01 | treKrem | thx, i'll look into it |
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| 11:03.32 | liable | Judgen_: lspci gives all chip vendors. bios may give you other stuff |
| 11:03.38 | mindshift | :) |
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| 11:03.45 | Arafangion | mindshift: I know. :( |
| 11:03.51 | the_sniff | how can i install soap for php without removing php first? |
| 11:03.56 | liable | AmR|EiSa: uname -r |
| 11:04.08 | jelly-home | treKrem: the scripts are often shell scripts, so adding a set -x at the beginning and trying to remove the package again would be a good start |
| 11:04.09 | Arafangion | mindshift: For those of us with high standards, our worse enemies is usually ourselves. :( |
| 11:04.13 | Arafangion | *worst |
| 11:04.14 | BackDoor | è°çŸ¥é“prelink -v是åšä»€ä¹ˆç”¨çš„？ |
| 11:04.50 | xdr | this is going to be interesting, gonna install 4 different servers and drink beer tonight |
| 11:05.07 | liable | drink beer first |
| 11:05.09 | the_sniff | and the intersting part is? |
| 11:05.11 | AmR|EiSa | liable , i don't have linux now i download deb dvd's and i'm in windows |
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| 11:05.22 | BackDoor | 没有会说ä¸æ–‡çš„ ？ |
| 11:05.23 | xdr | the_sniff: to combine the two :) |
| 11:05.26 | liable | AmR|EiSa: so what is it you are actually asking? |
| 11:05.28 | jelly-home | !cn |
| 11:05.28 | dpkg | somebody said cn was China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 11:05.54 | AmR|EiSa | liable, kernel ver in 4.0r1 |
| 11:06.00 | liable | fuck me, did someone change the channel to #debtard without me noticing? |
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| 11:06.08 | liable | AmR|EiSa: 2.6.18-5 is the latest |
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| 11:07.36 | AmR|EiSa | liable, thanks |
| 11:07.52 | liable | no problem |
| 11:07.54 | treKrem | both scripts call rebuild-gcj-db, which always gives exit code 2 -- thus it fails. I assume it's safe for me to omit the call as i use the sun jvm? |
| 11:08.17 | jelly-home | treKrem: probably. it might leave some crufy on the system |
| 11:08.22 | jelly-home | cruft* |
| 11:08.57 | jelly-home | treKrem: it would be nice to check and report this to BTS, so it doesn't happen to others |
| 11:09.23 | xdr | it's nice to be alone at work sometimes :) |
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| 11:12.37 | the_sniff | is there a way |
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| 11:12.54 | the_sniff | to add soap to php without reinstalling it? |
| 11:13.02 | efaistos | any tool to convert a dvd in avi ? |
| 11:13.21 | xdr | efaistos: lxdvdrip? |
| 11:13.31 | xdr | efaistos: or what do you mean? |
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| 11:13.33 | CreativeOne | Hello folks, |
| 11:13.42 | jelly-home | the_sniff: without reinstalling what, php-soap? |
| 11:13.49 | CreativeOne | I cant switch to console from gnome, I can switch if from an xterm i type chvt 1 tho |
| 11:14.10 | CreativeOne | I was wondering what could be causing such behavior, from the console I can switch back to X tho through control alt f7 |
| 11:14.18 | the_sniff | jelly-home php itself |
| 11:14.33 | jelly-home | the_sniff: yes. install php-soap. |
| 11:14.36 | the_sniff | i did |
| 11:14.39 | jelly-home | and? |
| 11:14.42 | the_sniff | and phpinfo doesnt say i have soap |
| 11:14.55 | efaistos | xdr: just want to rip a dvd to avi ... |
| 11:15.08 | xdr | efaistos: mencoder |
| 11:15.18 | xdr | efaistos: I think |
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| 11:15.56 | liable | k9copy? does that do avi's yet? |
| 11:16.09 | treKrem | jelly-home: the problem lies with rebuild-gcj-db which gives the non-zero exit code, it's in gcj-common which does not have a maintainer |
| 11:16.22 | liable | nope |
| 11:16.39 | jelly-home | the_sniff: php-soap is pure php code as far as I can tell, how would it show in phpinfo()? |
| 11:17.23 | the_sniff | well php should be configures with --enable-soap so it'd support soap |
| 11:17.29 | the_sniff | as the php.net site says |
| 11:18.04 | CreativeOne | Hello |
| 11:18.13 | CreativeOne | does debian automount the floppy drive when you cd /media/floppy by default? |
| 11:18.44 | jelly-home | ... tee-hee. reportbug-ng fails :-) |
| 11:19.20 | liable | !qotd47 |
| 11:19.20 | dpkg | <g4lt> okay, in a fit of complete irony, reportbug is puking on upgrade |
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| 11:19.30 | liable | :) |
| 11:19.38 | Arafangion | How much RAM can a typical 32-bit AMD Athlon XP handle? |
| 11:19.54 | dv_ | 4 GB |
| 11:20.19 | petemc | or 64 gig with pae |
| 11:20.26 | the_sniff | jelly-home so u think i should reinstall php ?:X |
| 11:20.29 | Arafangion | petemc: Nice. |
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| 11:20.53 | petemc | Arafangion: you would probably want to be using 64bit if attempting to access that much memory |
| 11:21.12 | petemc | not that i have any personal experience of anything > 8 gig |
| 11:21.25 | jelly-home | the_sniff: I don't think a reinstallation would help |
| 11:22.16 | c_newbie | do i have mentioned an AMD64 compilation on debian/rules (php5 compile) |
| 11:22.16 | the_sniff | some1 @ #php said apt checks if soap is there and configures with --enable-soap if it is |
| 11:22.17 | Arafangion | petemc: I think I'll be constrained to the physical limits of my ram slots, though, in that case :( |
| 11:22.24 | petemc | indeed |
| 11:22.27 | jelly-home | petemc: I wonder how would one stack 64GB in a typical K7 machine |
| 11:22.53 | jelly-home | the_sniff: um... did you build your own php5?! |
| 11:23.03 | Arafangion | petemc: Just thinking about ways to really make my home network seriously optimized next year. I'm thinking of making a central server, plus perhaps a file backup server serve thin clients to an all-debian home network. |
| 11:23.05 | the_sniff | nope |
| 11:23.33 | jelly-home | the_sniff: then ignore that, apt doesn't configure anything. |
| 11:23.38 | Arafangion | petemc: With an eye for low-cost, performance, and ease of admin :) |
| 11:23.59 | the_sniff | so i gotta make from sources? |
| 11:24.07 | the_sniff | damn it i hate it when pathes are f00ked |
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| 11:24.30 | c_newbie | the_sniff: what was the problem? maybe it was same as me |
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| 11:24.41 | the_sniff | i need soap with php :X |
| 11:25.03 | jelly-home | the_sniff: have you enabled the extension? |
| 11:25.11 | c_newbie | apt-get install php-soap ? |
| 11:25.11 | petemc | jelly-home: no idea, i mentioned that figure as its the limit for pae |
| 11:25.20 | c_newbie | i did before, its working tho |
| 11:25.28 | the_sniff | well apt-get install php-soap appears to do nothing |
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| 11:25.39 | the_sniff | i need to configure php with --enable-soap |
| 11:25.52 | the_sniff | jelly-home: there is no extension |
| 11:26.33 | jelly-home | the_sniff: it _is_ configured with that, at least that's what changelog.Debian says |
| 11:26.50 | c_newbie | cant be |
| 11:26.55 | c_newbie | is it 64bit machine? |
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| 11:27.23 | the_sniff | jelly-home so where do i find my problem? |
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| 11:27.47 | the_sniff | c_newbie no not a 64 box |
| 11:27.58 | Phil4 | guys, I'm having trouble connecting out of IPs assigned to virtual interfaces on my Debian server |
| 11:28.00 | c_newbie | the_sniff: try apt-get install php-soap, then see it on phpinfo() is it installed |
| 11:28.03 | ma3x | is there a linux friendly website for watching online tv? |
| 11:28.20 | Phil4 | stuff can bind to them correctly but if I try to use, e.g. telnet -b, it connects out of the main interface IP |
| 11:28.44 | the_sniff | c_newbie thats what i did |
| 11:28.55 | c_newbie | the_sniff: and nothing is happend? |
| 11:29.00 | c_newbie | trs to restart the apache |
| 11:29.05 | the_sniff | installed |
| 11:29.10 | the_sniff | and no soap |
| 11:29.11 | the_sniff | k sec |
| 11:29.21 | c_newbie | installing soap needs restart the apache tho |
| 11:29.27 | c_newbie | coz its module |
| 11:29.29 | the_sniff | no still nothing |
| 11:29.34 | the_sniff | btw thats php3 |
| 11:29.35 | the_sniff | 4 |
| 11:29.43 | c_newbie | weird |
| 11:29.57 | c_newbie | mine php5 and + soap, working smoothly within 64biy |
| 11:29.59 | c_newbie | mine php5 and + soap, working smoothly within 64bit |
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| 11:30.39 | jelly-home | the_sniff: which release of Debian do you have? |
| 11:30.56 | the_sniff | sarge |
| 11:31.30 | c_newbie | guys, i just made *deb from a 64bit machine. can i copy and use it on another machine, same specs? |
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| 11:32.18 | jelly-home | the_sniff: any special reason why you can't upgrade the system to Debian stable? |
| 11:32.26 | the_sniff | hmm |
| 11:32.35 | the_sniff | could there be any? |
| 11:32.43 | jelly-home | I'm asking you. |
| 11:32.51 | the_sniff | don't think so |
| 11:32.57 | the_sniff | give me an example for something :x |
| 11:33.06 | jelly-home | for example, is this a production system, will your customers be pissed? |
| 11:33.16 | the_sniff | its a production system :P |
| 11:33.18 | c_newbie | apt-get update;apt-get upgrade |
| 11:33.24 | jelly-home | when things break, I mean. |
| 11:33.27 | c_newbie | hahahaha |
| 11:33.30 | the_sniff | oh |
| 11:33.34 | the_sniff | well my boss will be :D |
| 11:33.36 | c_newbie | dont do that |
| 11:33.41 | c_newbie | its a production system |
| 11:33.46 | the_sniff | and i don't feel like going to the farm and reinstalling the whole server : |
| 11:33.47 | the_sniff | :p |
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| 11:34.40 | c_newbie | jelly-home: i just made *deb from a 64bit machine. can i copy and use it on another machine, (same specs and same os)? |
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| 11:36.36 | jelly-home | the_sniff: I have some apps using SOAP on sarge's php4. They do bring lots of stuff from pear with themselves, though |
| 11:36.45 | harpal | When I do ping to any ip address than it tells me ping: sendmsg: Invalid argument. whats problem? |
| 11:37.05 | fasta | wols_: mprime isn |
| 11:37.12 | fasta | wols_: 't very effective |
| 11:37.30 | fasta | wols_: it raised the temp by only 5 degrees in 3 minutes. |
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| 11:37.44 | jelly-home | the_sniff: so it can be done without rebuilding php... not that I know how |
| 11:37.45 | the_sniff | jelly-home: dunno maybe its a php internal soap thingie |
| 11:37.47 | fasta | wols_: (of my mother board, so it's now 61) |
| 11:37.56 | the_sniff | i guess im just confused since i didn't write the soap client |
| 11:37.58 | jelly-home | the_sniff: no soap visible in phpinfo() |
| 11:38.20 | the_sniff | mabye the pear soap is diff |
| 11:38.28 | jelly-home | the_sniff: they use pure php code. |
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| 11:38.55 | the_sniff | well i guess the extension isn't pear: |
| 11:38.55 | the_sniff | :S |
| 11:39.07 | the_sniff | http://www.php.net/soap |
| 11:39.54 | c_newbie | what was the bugs shown thou |
| 11:39.58 | jelly-home | the_sniff: yup. And php.net stuff refers to php5, while you have php4. |
| 11:40.16 | c_newbie | yea |
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| 11:40.23 | jelly-home | the_sniff: eh, just grab it from pear and see if it works |
| 11:40.36 | the_sniff | i could just look through the sources lol |
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| 11:41.09 | jelly-home | c_newbie: I don't see why not, as long as it's the same arch |
| 11:42.20 | CreativeOne | how much does a 300GB ultra320 SCSI sells for these days (Hot Swap) brand new. |
| 11:42.31 | c_newbie | :O |
| 11:42.47 | the_sniff | $client = new SoapClient("wsdl/nash.wsdl"); |
| 11:42.53 | c_newbie | buying 4x72gb were almost made me broke, and he wants 300gb ? |
| 11:42.56 | xand | CreativeOne: why don't you try a shop |
| 11:43.39 | jelly-home | CreativeOne: is it branded? |
| 11:43.44 | CreativeOne | HP. |
| 11:43.52 | simonrvn | i don't even have 72 gb in 4 drives, don't worry ;) |
| 11:43.56 | HN5 | Whats the value of SCSI over sata? |
| 11:44.17 | simonrvn | real scsi, not wannabe scsi from ide drives |
| 11:44.44 | xand | HN5: SAS is faster than SATA |
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| 11:44.52 | the_sniff | whats SAS? |
| 11:44.57 | xand | serial attached SCSI |
| 11:44.59 | CreativeOne | so like, what these disks sell for |
| 11:45.04 | the_sniff | hmm |
| 11:45.05 | CreativeOne | 300GB Ultra320 Hot-Swap HP. |
| 11:45.06 | the_sniff | thats new? :E |
| 11:45.23 | xand | but SAS is compatible with SATA disks c.c |
| 11:45.24 | jelly-home | CreativeOne: check the part number, then check an online HP store |
| 11:45.44 | c_newbie | but scsi is faster than sas |
| 11:45.44 | jelly-home | CreativeOne: it fell out of the truck? :-> |
| 11:45.52 | HN5 | lol |
| 11:45.59 | CreativeOne | jelly-home: no, sold a few parts off a broken HP DL360 G4. |
| 11:46.02 | HN5 | passed under the table |
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| 11:46.11 | HN5 | ;) |
| 11:46.13 | CreativeOne | feh. |
| 11:46.24 | fasta | mbmon uses 15% of CPU, that's also completely ridiculous. |
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| 11:46.32 | jelly-home | CreativeOne: oh, it's not in the box any more? |
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| 11:47.30 | kasimon | hi, a package installed a dangling symlink. How do I find out which package it was? dpkg -S /path/to/dangling/symlink gives "file not found" |
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| 11:47.40 | jelly-home | fasta: you don't need to run it the whole time, though |
| 11:47.51 | themill_ | kasimon: what's the symlink? |
| 11:48.07 | fasta | jelly-home: I moved one of the power-splitters on the table now, and it seems that has solved it. |
| 11:48.17 | fasta | jelly-home: well, actually I do. |
| 11:48.22 | Seiya` | good morning |
| 11:48.29 | kasimon | themill_: /usr/lib/libtdsodbc.so.0.0.0 |
| 11:48.33 | HN5 | good efternoon |
| 11:48.40 | fasta | jelly-home: I plan computations that will use the CPU 100% for about a week or so. |
| 11:48.48 | HN5 | (01:48:21 PM) Seiya`: good morning |
| 11:48.53 | jelly-home | fasta: so run it every minute or so. |
| 11:49.14 | fasta | jelly-home: oh, you meant mbmon. |
| 11:49.22 | fasta | jelly-home: I ran it with 2 seconds intervals |
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| 11:49.34 | fasta | jelly-home: it should take a millisecond to complete. |
| 11:49.41 | fasta | jelly-home: anything longer is bloat. |
| 11:49.51 | themill_ | kasimon: looks like it's from freetds-dev and a symlink made by ldconfig |
| 11:50.18 | jelly-home | fasta: I don't think the sensors update every 2 seconds... sounds like overkill |
| 11:50.23 | Phil4 | guys, is it ok to do: dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hdb bs=1024 |
| 11:50.23 | Phil4 | ? |
| 11:50.39 | kasimon | themill_: the freetds packages are in totally bad stage |
| 11:50.40 | fasta | jelly-home: that could be, I changed it already to a more sane value |
| 11:50.46 | wols_ | Phil4: what's that supposed to accomplish? |
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| 11:51.08 | Phil4 | I read a while ago that it'd put the data on the disk in an ordered fassion |
| 11:51.12 | kasimon | themill_: OOC: how did you find out: |
| 11:51.13 | Phil4 | the effect of defragging |
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| 11:51.29 | Phil4 | Debian has decided to scan my disk on bootup and is throwing out a tonne of errors |
| 11:51.42 | Phil4 | even though I have seen no issues with the operation of it |
| 11:52.10 | kasimon | themill_: (Although i'm quite sure the symlink is in the package) |
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| 11:52.19 | themill_ | kasimon: apt-file search /usr/lib/libtdsodbc.so (the extra .0.0.0 stuff is for versioned symlinks that are normally managed by ldconfig) |
| 11:52.28 | jelly-home | Phil4: you're either pulling our leg or have been told by someone to do a stupid thing |
| 11:52.51 | Phil4 | I saw it on a site a while ago, jelly-home |
| 11:52.57 | Phil4 | but thought I'd check first |
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| 11:53.04 | fasta | Are there even defragmentation tools for common file systems? |
| 11:53.20 | wols_ | Phil4: that's wrong. if you really want to defrag (rarely if ever needed), what is your filesystem type? |
| 11:53.26 | Phil4 | ext3 |
| 11:53.30 | fasta | AFAIK, the file systems are designed such that the fragmentation is bounded. |
| 11:53.32 | wols_ | apt-get install defrag |
| 11:53.37 | wols_ | fasta: yes there are |
| 11:53.39 | Phil4 | all I want to do is fix this error, wols_ |
| 11:53.50 | fasta | wols_: is it recommended to run it? |
| 11:53.56 | liable | whats the actuall error? |
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| 11:53.59 | jelly-home | Phil4: "on a site" is not a valid reference |
| 11:54.01 | wols_ | but you will only get fragmentation in some corner cases. e.g. torrenting onto a )almost) full disk |
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| 11:54.20 | fasta | wols_: torrenting? |
| 11:54.31 | Phil4 | kind of tricky to type, liable |
| 11:54.31 | wols_ | downloading torrents using a client that uses sparse files |
| 11:54.31 | Phil4 | haha |
| 11:54.35 | themill_ | fasta: verbification is good.... |
| 11:54.42 | Phil4 | lemme see if I can skip the disk check and get it from logs |
| 11:54.45 | themill_ | Phil4: ok... you're trying to fix a specific error... what is it? |
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| 11:55.03 | jelly-home | wols_: preallocation solves the torrent fragmentation issue |
| 11:55.07 | fasta | themill_: I thought he meant tormenting. |
| 11:55.11 | wols_ | Phil4: what do you mean with "disk check"? a fsck= |
| 11:55.13 | wols_ | ? |
| 11:55.15 | liable | Phil4: if you are getting a fsck at boot, ext3 does by default every thirty mount |
| 11:55.34 | kasimon | themill_: ah, I forgot about apt-file. thx |
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| 11:55.49 | Phil4 | it's doing it because it has been mounted 200 days |
| 11:56.08 | fasta | Ok, it appears my machine is fine again and doesn't come above 62 degrees. |
| 11:56.12 | themill_ | kasimon: np... it's a nice util ;) but you've got to strip some things like the .0.0.0 stuff sometimes and be clever about things. |
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| 11:57.08 | liable | 200 days? didnt know that was a check |
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| 11:57.31 | Phil4 | apparently is |
| 11:57.31 | Phil4 | heh |
| 11:57.36 | themill_ | liable: there are time-based checks as well as number of mounts |
| 11:57.58 | CreativeOne | I have deleted the gnome hotkeys, now I cant simply switch to console :( |
| 11:58.00 | liable | if you have a debian system that hasnt been rebooted in 200 days, then you have a kernel thats got security issues as well |
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| 11:58.08 | bonii | Hello I am using Debian etch on my Acer laptop which is running a 2.6.18-5 686 kernel. Yesterday while I was playing a video on VLC player, the sound just stopped abruptly and after that there is no sound. Can someone help me out? |
| 11:58.10 | zu22 | package 'semantic' is broken in testing as of a few days ago, fails with "Cannot open load file: semantic-el" on /usr/lib/emacsen-common/emacs-package-install line 30, <TSORT> line 4. should i file a bug? if so what is the best way to do that? |
| 11:58.16 | themill_ | liable: man tune2fs |
| 11:58.30 | liable | themill_: heh, i was just going to ask.. :) |
| 11:58.35 | wols_ | !reportbug |
| 11:58.35 | dpkg | reportbug is, like, used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 11:58.37 | themill_ | liable: it's time between checks not time since boot |
| 11:58.41 | liable | i dont recall reading it there before.. |
| 11:58.52 | wols_ | zu22: check first if there already is a bug filed for it |
| 11:58.55 | Phil4 | is there any way to force the check to run again so that I may get the error? |
| 11:59.05 | zu22 | wols_: would you agree this justifies filing a bug if one doesn't already exist in the bug database? |
| 11:59.06 | themill_ | liable: option -i, iirc |
| 11:59.08 | wols_ | Phil4: remount it read only, fsck it |
| 11:59.25 | Phil4 | how do I do that, wols_? |
| 11:59.42 | wols_ | mount -o remount,ro /dev/sdaY IIRC |
| 12:00.21 | Phil4 | home:/var/log# mount -o remount,ro /dev/hdb1 |
| 12:00.21 | Phil4 | mount: /home is busy |
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| 12:01.47 | wols_ | log out of every normal user, log in as root only |
| 12:01.54 | wols_ | then it should work. hopefully |
| 12:01.59 | liable | themill_: this time sets the forcefsck for next boot? |
| 12:02.14 | themill_ | yes |
| 12:02.19 | themill_ | it's a pita |
| 12:02.31 | liable | ok, that makes sense |
| 12:02.39 | themill_ | I usually have it set to 0 ;) |
| 12:02.48 | c_newbie | wohoo, my etch amd64 will become a production server end of this weeks |
| 12:03.04 | wols_ | c_newbie: did your php compilation work? |
| 12:03.10 | jelly-home | themill_: how's your backup disk doing? :-) |
| 12:03.12 | c_newbie | wols_: thank you bos |
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| 12:03.29 | Phil4 | nope, wols_ |
| 12:03.35 | wols_ | c_newbie: you did the work. not us. but there is still a bug somewhere. mst probably in gcc then |
| 12:03.37 | themill_ | liable: "Oh, I'll just show you something on my laptop"... "oh, hang on, I've got a forced fsck that will take the next 10min to complete" ... linux evangelism stakes take a dent |
| 12:03.44 | liable | themill_: i dont think i have booted my stable box more than 30 times in 3 years, so its a good idea i guess, when the kernel gets upgraded, it gets a fsck :) |
| 12:03.49 | Phil4 | I think I saw a while ago a way to take it into a different run level |
| 12:03.51 | Phil4 | would that work? |
| 12:03.56 | c_newbie | wols_: just wondering why the debian package amd64 didnt fix it out |
| 12:04.03 | liable | themill_: yeah, i get that, but thats from mounts, not time |
| 12:04.13 | fasta | Is there an application which stores statistics from the output of mbmon and can render them to some GUI? |
| 12:04.31 | wols_ | c_newbie: it's a bug somewhere which only shows in certain circumstances. like x86-64 |
| 12:04.38 | bonii | Hello I am using Debian etch on my Acer laptop which is running a 2.6.18-5 686 kernel. Yesterday while I was playing a video on VLC player, the sound just stopped abruptly and after that there is no sound. Can someone help me out? I am sorry that I am reposting it again but I needed help. Sorry for the inconvenience |
| 12:04.49 | themill_ | liable: I usually find that the timeout trips before the num-mounts threshold... don't reboot that often ;) |
| 12:04.54 | wols_ | even if some people say so in face of competition with windows: linux is not bug free. far from it |
| 12:05.15 | liable | themill_: i never used to, but i have to reboot my lappy more often these days |
| 12:05.21 | CreativeOne | I cant switch to virtual consoles through control alt F1-F6 in gnome |
| 12:05.23 | CreativeOne | what could be wrong |
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| 12:05.39 | themill_ | CreativeOne: you're probably remapped those keys to some other function in gnome. |
| 12:05.42 | geo-rge | stealing candy from a baby could be wrong... |
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| 12:05.58 | liable | themill_: twice a year is that much of a pita? :) |
| 12:06.01 | CreativeOne | themill_: do you know which keyboard shortcut in gnome does that? |
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| 12:06.32 | themill_ | CreativeOne: the one that you mapped to Ctrl+Alt+F1 would be a good place to look... probably change to desktop or move to desktop. |
| 12:06.48 | themill_ | liable: more that it's always at a completely inappropriate time. murphy's law |
| 12:07.22 | liable | nod |
| 12:07.23 | Phil4 | meh, I'll type the very very long error |
| 12:07.23 | Phil4 | heh |
| 12:07.29 | fasta | CreativeOne: why do you like ignoring advice? |
| 12:08.00 | CreativeOne | not that one |
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| 12:08.18 | CreativeOne | fasta: there should be a "Switch between Virtual Desktops" keyboar shortcut but i dont see it in gnome. |
| 12:08.42 | themill_ | CreativeOne: should there be? I've never seen one. That's usually handled by X not the wm. |
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| 12:09.09 | themill_ | CreativeOne: hang on... virtual desktops or virtual consoles? |
| 12:09.22 | amphi | CreativeOne: alt-ctrl-fn to switch vts |
| 12:09.58 | CreativeOne | amphi: I have deleted all the gnome keyboard shortcuts, i dont know which one handles that. |
| 12:10.22 | amphi | CreativeOne: vt switching is nothing to do with gnome |
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| 12:10.42 | CreativeOne | amphi: where do i set that? |
| 12:10.47 | themill_ | CreativeOne: virtual desktops or virtual consoles? You need to be precise with your use of jargon. |
| 12:10.48 | frog | i wish to be asked for permission/rejection for every incoming/outcomming packet/stream (wish the details like sockets will be showed) with any cli programm. anyone could recommended me anything? |
| 12:10.50 | CreativeOne | i just cant switch to virtual terminals anymore. |
| 12:10.55 | CreativeOne | virtual consoles. |
| 12:11.12 | amphi | CreativeOne: alt-ctrl-f1 should switch th vt1 |
| 12:11.31 | themill_ | CreativeOne: so you want to do what chvt does? |
| 12:11.32 | CreativeOne | that does nothing. |
| 12:11.36 | Phil4 | wols_, liable: http://pastebin.com/m3194a990 |
| 12:11.44 | CreativeOne | themill_: yes, through control+alt+f1 |
| 12:12.07 | wols_ | Phil4: buy a new harddisk. |
| 12:12.10 | amphi | CreativeOne: it should, unless you have option DontVTSwitch on |
| 12:12.13 | Phil4 | heh |
| 12:12.21 | jelly-home | CreativeOne: you're using gnome, right? |
| 12:12.22 | wols_ | alternatively: runs smartmontools long test. check for errors |
| 12:12.24 | themill_ | CreativeOne: ok. Did it work before you changed something? or has this always been the case? |
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| 12:12.30 | CreativeOne | jelly-home: yes |
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| 12:12.35 | wols_ | Phil4: most probably the harddisk will/may fail RSN |
| 12:12.36 | CreativeOne | it was working before yes. |
| 12:12.41 | Phil4 | that can be done when the FS is mounted, wols_? |
| 12:12.49 | CreativeOne | amphi: where do i check wether that DontVTSwitch is on or not |
| 12:12.58 | amphi | CreativeOne: xorg.conf |
| 12:13.01 | wols_ | Phil4: yes |
| 12:13.04 | Phil4 | ok |
| 12:13.06 | themill_ | CreativeOne: have you reconfigured X, changed your modmap, kb shortcuts or anything recently? |
| 12:13.08 | Phil4 | I'll try |
| 12:13.11 | jelly-home | CreativeOne: upgraded recently? Changed your login manager ( xdm / kdm / gdm )? |
| 12:13.16 | wols_ | cause smartmontools ignores filesystems (or the OS pretty much) |
| 12:13.18 | CreativeOne | no, gdm remains the same. |
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| 12:13.27 | wols_ | and if it corrects an error the file is usually corrupted anyways |
| 12:14.08 | CreativeOne | anywhere to look folks? |
| 12:14.10 | ethang | lkkku |
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| 12:14.22 | ethang | omg my cat wants to chat on #debian |
| 12:14.28 | CreativeOne | could you guys check in gnome which keyboard shortcut switch consoles? |
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| 12:14.52 | ethang | isnt it <ctrl> <atl> F# |
| 12:14.56 | wols_ | ethang: bring on on sundays. it would increase the niveau |
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| 12:15.10 | CreativeOne | ethang: yes, but it does not work. |
| 12:15.17 | ethang | uh oh |
| 12:15.45 | ethang | you didn't hit F7? |
| 12:16.06 | Phil4 | do you know the syntax of the command? |
| 12:16.07 | CreativeOne | ethang: control alt whatever (F1 through F6) does not take me to console. |
| 12:16.13 | Phil4 | does it use smartctl? |
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| 12:16.59 | CreativeOne | what could be causing such behavior? |
| 12:17.22 | ethang | phase one - in which Doris gets her oats |
| 12:17.32 | wols_ | Phil4: yes it does |
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| 12:19.06 | rsdvd | Hi All : can anyone please help me fix a problem I have on a debian server. "tar: relocation error: /lib/libpthread.so.0: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference" |
| 12:20.37 | liable | have you compiled your own version of a libc6 or something silly? |
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| 12:21.03 | geo-rge | rsdvd: in order to fix something like that we have to know how it got that way |
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| 12:21.19 | rsdvd | liable : I was trying to upgrade the server.....I used apt-get upgrade and it bombed.....I think it has left the glibc at a wrong version |
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| 12:21.49 | geo-rge | it's backed up, yes? |
| 12:21.57 | rsdvd | I have inhertied this system (I am not used to debian) and it has not been touched for a long time. |
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| 12:22.12 | jelly-home | rsdvd: uh. which kernel version? |
| 12:22.16 | en1gma | i have a Q about the debian "mantra" if i setup my .config by going into 'make meniconfig' does running the debian "mantra" totally ignore my newly created .config and start fresh? |
| 12:22.17 | rsdvd | geo-rge : I doubt it is backed up to be honest. |
| 12:22.44 | liable | rsdvd: what libc6 version and kernel |
| 12:22.44 | rsdvd | jelly-home : kernel version = 2.6.16-u7-p4 |
| 12:23.20 | liable | not a debian one. |
| 12:23.25 | liable | libc6 version? |
| 12:23.29 | en1gma | the debian "mantra" starts with 'make-kpkg clean' wouldnt that ignore my custom .config |
| 12:23.34 | bonii | Hello I am using Debian etch on my Acer laptop which is running a 2.6.18-5 686 kernel. Yesterday while I was playing a video on VLC player, the sound just stopped abruptly and after that there is no sound. Can someone help me out? I am sorry that I am reposting it again but I needed help. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 12:23.36 | liable | en1gma: no |
| 12:23.37 | rsdvd | how do I find the glibc version |
| 12:23.38 | wols_ | en1gma: no |
| 12:23.51 | wols_ | rsdvd: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 12:23.58 | geo-rge | en1gma: you would back that up first |
| 12:24.09 | en1gma | wols_ if i have made several different .configs which one does the mantra read |
| 12:24.10 | rsdvd | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 12:24.36 | wols_ | en1gma: .config. there is only one. can't be more than one |
| 12:24.38 | geo-rge | rsdvd: and what version of libc was it trying to install? |
| 12:24.42 | liable | thats sarges i think |
| 12:25.00 | jelly-home | rsdvd: does your /etc/apt/sources.list mention "stable" by any chance? |
| 12:25.07 | rsdvd | liable : yes - this is 'sarge' as far as I know |
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| 12:25.27 | rsdvd | yes |
| 12:25.33 | Azio | oh dear |
| 12:25.36 | en1gma | when you save your config file (if you first copied it from /boot it can definately have a diff name |
| 12:25.57 | liable | rsdvd: can you run apt-get install libc6 ? |
| 12:25.59 | rsdvd | I am guessing I have fallen into the debian trap :-)........I am used to working with fedora/red hat |
| 12:26.00 | dembug | groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 12:26.04 | dembug | Is there any way to fix that? |
| 12:26.13 | jelly-home | rsdvd: ah, so you upgraded some packages (tar) to etch (current stable) version, and they don't work well with sarge's glibc |
| 12:26.16 | en1gma | ex: import the config file from boot = config-2.6.22.6 to /usr/src/linux-2.6.22.6 |
| 12:26.19 | rsdvd | apt-get does nto work - cause tar fails with the original error |
| 12:26.29 | dembug | heh rsdvd gogo dependancy breakage :D |
| 12:26.35 | en1gma | load that "config-2.6.22.6" in make menuconfig |
| 12:26.39 | en1gma | save with same name |
| 12:26.41 | geo-rge | rsdvd: what does this server serve? |
| 12:27.03 | en1gma | i didnt know it always have to be saved with ".config" |
| 12:27.04 | rsdvd | geo-rge : a full company :-) webserver/DNS/mailserver |
| 12:27.07 | en1gma | for mantra to work |
| 12:27.11 | jelly-home | rsdvd: can you pastebin dpkg -l tar apt dpkg ? |
| 12:27.17 | dembug | groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 12:27.17 | dembug | adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1009 moof' returned error code 10. Exiting. |
| 12:27.19 | en1gma | thnx for the info |
| 12:27.19 | dembug | anyone? :> |
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| 12:27.41 | liable | rsdvd: do you have your first upgrade stuff still in buffer? |
| 12:27.43 | geo-rge | h mm... so, which one of your managers signed off when you asked about upgrading that server? |
| 12:28.13 | rsdvd | jelly-home : http://www.paste.me.uk/520.html |
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| 12:28.49 | rsdvd | liable : sorry no - I have been fighting with this for about 4 days.....the original upgrade was 3 days ago |
| 12:28.59 | dembug | hi :< |
| 12:29.02 | jelly-home | it would be nice if there was something about old debian installations in the wiki and how you SHOULDN'T upgrade them blindly |
| 12:29.16 | wols_ | rsdvd: does dpkg work? |
| 12:29.24 | dembug | join #linux |
| 12:29.26 | dembug | woops |
| 12:29.34 | liable | jelly-home: it probably wouldnt make any difference :) |
| 12:29.37 | rsdvd | geo-rge : there are no managers - I am doing this as a favour for my Brother's company |
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| 12:30.04 | geo-rge | what is it you're doing exactly? |
| 12:30.07 | petemc | jelly-home: would it be trite to say "but its a wiki..." |
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| 12:30.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | petemc, yeah, because people often remove (useful) warnings from wikis |
| 12:30.38 | jelly-home | petemc: a valid point :-) |
| 12:30.58 | petemc | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, people are idiots, but you can revert changes |
| 12:30.58 | liable | rsdvd: you have all old versions of those programs still, what actually did get upgraded? |
| 12:31.05 | jelly-home | rsdvd: your system is pre-sarge release. :-) |
| 12:31.10 | rsdvd | geo-rge : I was trying to install a new mail server......but the new postfix woudl not compile cause the system was too old.....so I was upgrading it (it has nto been touched in over 2 years) |
| 12:31.31 | rsdvd | liable : I have no idea what it actaully did upgrade |
| 12:31.33 | geo-rge | well... |
| 12:31.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | rsdvd, sounds like a system i inherited *grin* |
| 12:31.37 | wols_ | why would you compile postfix in the first place? nevermind... |
| 12:31.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | petemc, yeah. true. |
| 12:31.55 | geo-rge | probably what needs to happen first is we have to reverse all effects of this upgrade |
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| 12:32.05 | rsdvd | wols - the install postfix does nto support SASL |
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| 12:32.29 | wols_ | my postfix supprts sasl at least since woody |
| 12:32.33 | liable | surprised it hasnt been rooted really |
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| 12:32.37 | wols_ | certainly supports it with sarge |
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| 12:32.53 | attunix | Anyone familiar with REALbasic? I can't get it to start up |
| 12:33.13 | wols_ | attunix: ask the vendor |
| 12:33.14 | rsdvd | wols : I woudl guess that it is not a standard install of postfix - the hosting compnay has a habit of adding 'their' versions of things |
| 12:33.23 | wols_ | ick! |
| 12:33.23 | attunix | wols_: ok |
| 12:33.44 | wols_ | rsdvd: you don't have phys access tot he box? |
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| 12:33.57 | BackDoor | ? |
| 12:34.04 | geo-rge | *&^%&^%^%$ |
| 12:34.04 | CreativeOne | how can i link a virtual folder (floppy) to /media/floppy0 |
| 12:34.07 | rsdvd | wols_ : no - it is a virtual server hosted god knows where |
| 12:34.27 | Phil4 | wols_, when I get a new drive, would it be ok to use dd to copy the data from the old one to the new one? |
| 12:34.46 | geo-rge | BackDoor: **&$#^^#&, &*($)*# *&^$%*^&%$. |
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| 12:35.14 | wols_ | Phil4: sure. but usually the new one is bigger than the old which may lead to problems. just copy /home/ and /var/ or somethintg |
| 12:35.23 | Phil4 | ok |
| 12:35.25 | GarryFre | I think I have an issue with my sources.list I've read up on man sources.list I keep having problems with something about bzip returning error 2 on the deb-src line referring to securty.debian.org Can someone please check this retard's (me) sources.list? http://www.pastebin.org/1648 |
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| 12:35.47 | en1gma | this is the guide for make a custom kernal that ive been following http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian BUT he usus lilo...is there a default guide for doing it the "debianway" with grub |
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| 12:36.23 | wols_ | en1gma: no need to do anything. if you install the .deb, menu.lst will be edited automatically |
| 12:36.28 | Airbottle | just a quick question, can i connect a HD while my computer is running? |
| 12:36.41 | Airbottle | (its a sata2 device) |
| 12:36.42 | en1gma | ok |
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| 12:36.48 | geo-rge | en1gma: just get the package built... when you install it, it should figure the grub/lilo thing out |
| 12:36.48 | wols_ | Airbottle: depends. yes if it's a USB connected HDD |
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| 12:37.12 | wols_ | if it's esata, possibly but not necessarily. if it's IDE: no. if it'S SATA: maybe but unlikely. etc |
| 12:37.28 | Airbottle | ok thanks wols_ :) |
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| 12:37.48 | geo-rge | Airbottle: I wouldnm't try it... could damage the motherboard and the drive |
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| 12:38.01 | en1gma | wols_ is there a guide that goes with the "mantra" cause i had a couple problems with following the guide i linked above and then using the mantra listed command |
| 12:38.01 | unilynx | I just built a custom kernel from 2.6.21 sources, now when I boot I get a kernel panic saying it can't find the block device. I noticed there is no line to load initrd in grub, do I need this? |
| 12:38.06 | geo-rge | except in the usb case |
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| 12:38.09 | Airbottle | ok i'll restart, though i don't like that |
| 12:38.16 | wols_ | en1gma: what problem exactly? |
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| 12:38.26 | lch | heya, I am trying to get a pppoe server together, but I have little luck with that... any help, please? |
| 12:38.44 | lch | first of all, is the pppd supposed to start without trouble on itself? |
| 12:38.49 | wols_ | unilynx: depends how you compiled your kernel |
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| 12:39.09 | en1gma | ex: in the guide it told me to be root...so i was....in the "mantra" it doesnt say use ".config" as the guide said just copy the "config-2.6.22.1" from /boot to /usr/src/linux-2.6.22.6 and use that as a start point |
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| 12:39.13 | wols_ | unilynx: do you need an initrd? |
| 12:39.14 | lch | because if I start the pppd, it tells me "The remote system is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any suitable secret (password) for it to use to do so." |
| 12:39.17 | unilynx | wols_: Well the only thing I touched was the paravert setting to turn it off. |
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| 12:39.27 | en1gma | AND i had to take out the version stuff in the mantra cause it kept giving me errors |
| 12:39.48 | wols_ | en1gma: you either need to be root or use fakeroot so that make-kpkg can work |
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| 12:39.55 | en1gma | basically i followed that guide and when it was time to build the kernel i used the mantra command |
| 12:40.00 | unilynx | wols_: I was under the impression that after running the make xconfig it loads the settings already used in my current kernel config |
| 12:40.07 | wols_ | unilynx: then you do. debian kernels need initrd |
| 12:40.21 | wols_ | unilynx: you are mistaken |
| 12:40.25 | en1gma | wols_ mantra wouldnt let me build kernel as it kept giving me error about the version stuff |
| 12:40.37 | wols_ | !tell en1gma about errors |
| 12:40.40 | en1gma | so i just deleted the info about version |
| 12:40.45 | en1gma | and then compiled it |
| 12:40.50 | wols_ | notice the word "EXACT" in that factoid |
| 12:41.36 | wols_ | I usually do a "make-kpkg binary-arch" with my non-initrd using kernel and it "simply works" |
| 12:41.51 | en1gma | that is why i said i followed that guide in that link above "to the point where it was time to make the custom kernel with the mantra command" you would prob see where it went wrong from the guide to the mantra |
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| 12:42.21 | unilynx | wols_: So then how do I load the defaults config? Is it the file in /boot ? |
| 12:42.34 | rsdvd | wols_ / Anyone : is it possible to upgrade a sarge server remotely without access to the server ? |
| 12:42.35 | wols_ | unilynx: yes. config* |
| 12:42.50 | wols_ | !tell rsdvd about sarge->etch |
| 12:43.06 | wols_ | rsdvd: the trouble is you borked the upgrade already.. which makes it all a lot harder |
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| 12:43.39 | rsdvd | wols_ : that is what I thought :-( |
| 12:43.44 | liable | rsdvd: yes, but you are likely to have a hell of a time, and its not likely to work. backup all your data, preferablt make a new server to copy iy to first |
| 12:44.12 | liable | fingers are misbehaving |
| 12:44.38 | rsdvd | liable : not possible to move to a new server.....as this is a hosted solution and I have no control over the server |
| 12:44.48 | geo-rge | if you can get the libc package split out and then transferred to the machine that might help |
| 12:44.51 | en1gma | wols_ i just did this command "make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image modules_image" and it created the .deb in ../ but it dont look like it installed it in /boot is it supposed to install it to? |
| 12:45.02 | liable | rsdvd: you can still move everything over to a new server |
| 12:45.15 | wols_ | rsdvd: which program)s) aren't working when using dpkg or apt exactly? |
| 12:45.27 | wols_ | liable: that is not practical. you should know that |
| 12:45.52 | liable | wols_: its more praticle than trying to fix the box and losing all of it |
| 12:45.53 | wols_ | en1gma: no it won't install. you have to do that yourself with dpkg |
| 12:45.58 | en1gma | k |
| 12:45.59 | en1gma | thnx |
| 12:46.00 | rsdvd | wols_ the main program that is not working at the moment is tar.....which means I cannot use apt-get to see what else is hosed |
| 12:46.19 | wols_ | rsdvd: get a sarge tar and copy it over |
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| 12:46.41 | jelly-home | rsdvd: your server was not even stable sarge. what you could do, is download and unpack the tar deb from sarge on another machine, then transfer the binary |
| 12:46.44 | rsdvd | wols : copy what over? tar or the glibc? |
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| 12:46.49 | wols_ | tar |
| 12:46.51 | geo-rge | and get the sarge libc and copy that over too |
| 12:47.03 | wols_ | you could copy over an etch glibc but that would be riskier |
| 12:47.15 | liable | i wouldnt do that |
| 12:47.26 | jelly-home | geo-rge: he's got sarge glibc. the problem, AFAICT, is his even older tar doesn't work with sarge glibc |
| 12:47.33 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.48 | geo-rge | hmm, then I missed a buncha stuff |
| 12:48.16 | jelly-home | geo-rge: http://www.paste.me.uk/520.html his versions, and sarge has tar 1.14-2.3 |
| 12:48.25 | geo-rge | is he upgrading from before sarge? |
| 12:48.33 | jelly-home | geo-rge: it seems so |
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| 12:48.53 | wols_ | rsdvd: basically, the idea ist to get apt/aptitude/dpkg working again. at that point you can upgrade |
| 12:49.15 | wols_ | upgrade normally that is. while leaving the kernel of course. tho I'd possibly ask the hoster for a new one |
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| 12:49.38 | GarryFre | Can someone check this sources.list Im ready to tear my hair out. Intermittent Stat errors, intermittent duplicated sources, ad nauseum http://www.pastebin.org/1648 Please help a retard! |
| 12:49.44 | jelly-home | rsdvd: first, get tar / dpkg working. then, _don't_ update to stable, that would probably break. |
| 12:49.45 | rsdvd | ok - I do not have access to any other debian servers.....will I be able to find a compiled tar from somewhere |
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| 12:50.43 | GarryFre | I tried to check to see if the directories in question even exist, no such luck. |
| 12:51.03 | jelly-home | rsdvd: you have a machine at home? you can easily download and unpack a .deb on any linux. |
| 12:51.03 | wols_ | rsdvd: pdo has a debian tar |
| 12:51.08 | geo-rge | why do you have line 11 |
| 12:51.30 | rsdvd | jelly-home : yes I have access to several fedora machines |
| 12:51.32 | geo-rge | maybe someone should build him a static tar |
| 12:51.40 | emir | selam |
| 12:51.43 | emir | hi everybody |
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| 12:51.54 | emir | arkadaşlar içinizde Türk olan varmı |
| 12:51.58 | rsdvd | geo-rge : that would be very good :-) |
| 12:51.59 | emir | who is Turk?? |
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| 12:52.07 | wols_ | !tr |
| 12:52.08 | dpkg | [tr] türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 12:52.12 | emir | you lost amn |
| 12:52.13 | emir | man |
| 12:52.19 | wols_ | emir: this channel here is english only |
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| 12:52.25 | emir | may be |
| 12:52.33 | emir | i can speak eng |
| 12:52.40 | geo-rge | emir: ok :) |
| 12:52.49 | wols_ | good for you. cause if you type turkish, no one will answer you |
| 12:53.01 | emir | yes i understand |
| 12:53.13 | emir | i want learn kdevelop |
| 12:53.18 | harpal | I want to grep perticular word like abc not abcd? |
| 12:53.22 | geo-rge | wols_: you typed "turkish".. and you got two replies! |
| 12:53.23 | lch | "please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg" -- huh? |
| 12:53.28 | lch | "or some jpg picture"? |
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| 12:54.03 | fasta | It appears my problems are not over. |
| 12:54.10 | emir | i joined debian.tr |
| 12:54.13 | emir | thanks |
| 12:54.14 | rsdvd | wols_ : who / what is pdo.....I need to find this .deb of tar |
| 12:54.14 | jelly-home | rsdvd: wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/tar/tar_1.14-2.3_i386.deb ... then ar x the deb. then untar data.tar.gz. then transfer bin/tar to your server |
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| 12:54.18 | wols_ | !pdo |
| 12:54.19 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 12:54.23 | geo-rge | abc[^d] |
| 12:54.43 | wols_ | rsdvd: it's the first one. check for "oldstable" there and you will find a sarge tar |
| 12:54.58 | rsdvd | thanks |
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| 12:56.07 | swordlaw | my fat32 partition initiaizes with my rwx permissions after booting....then i run aMule...after a while, it closes conection and quits..and my permissions are no longer rwx , i mean i see the partition , but i cannot write on it anymore, i jus have to umount it and mount it again to solve the issue....any way to prevent this please? |
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| 12:57.24 | GarryFre | Please, someone help me with this sources.list for Deb 4.0 r1 I think there's a problem but I don't know what it is. http://www.pastebin.org/1648 |
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| 12:58.20 | wols_ | swordlaw: check logs. syslog and kernel.log |
| 12:58.35 | wols_ | could be the kernel detects an inconsitency in the fs and remounts it ro automatically |
| 12:58.53 | rsdvd | jelly-home : I have moved that version of tar over to the server, and it fails with the same error |
| 12:58.56 | swordlaw | wols_: ok lets see.... |
| 12:59.36 | wols_ | rsdvd: another solution is to compile a static tar version and copy that over |
| 12:59.44 | wols_ | guranteed no libc6 problems then |
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| 13:00.02 | rsdvd | wols_ : I am afaid I woudl not knwo how to do that |
| 13:00.54 | abrotman | GarryFre: what's wrong with them ? |
| 13:01.02 | abrotman | GarryFre: you can comment out the sarge line |
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| 13:01.55 | c_newbie | anyway, how to make sure my compilation php iwere compiled with libc6 ? |
| 13:01.59 | DavidProck1981 | how can i do a recursive directory scan for a word / phrase in all files |
| 13:02.06 | liable | rsdvd: get a tar source, compile it with --static option |
| 13:02.11 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: man grep |
| 13:02.22 | wols_ | DavidProck1981: grep -r <pattern> * |
| 13:02.25 | GarryFre | abrotman Thanks, I'll do that. I get errors about network issues with the deb-src line referring to securty.debian.org |
| 13:02.39 | wols_ | c_newbie: you have libc6 on disk. it will be used, trust me |
| 13:02.50 | abrotman | GarryFre: comment those out too |
| 13:03.13 | lch | is here anybody who can help me to set up a PPPoE *server* ? I need to retrieve a lost password from a DSL router... |
| 13:03.14 | rsdvd | liable : woudl it matter what version of tar I comiled or what platform it was on? |
| 13:03.24 | swordlaw | wols_: it says..clusters badly computed 78410 != 78405 File system has been ser read-only...what to do? |
| 13:03.33 | swordlaw | any clue please? |
| 13:03.41 | geo-rge | the platform you build it on and the platform you run it on should match |
| 13:03.52 | GarryFre | abrotman ok. doing it. I was wondering about that sarge line, I don't now how it showed up or why but I commented it out. |
| 13:03.58 | stoned | hi |
| 13:04.11 | wols_ | swordlaw: it means you should use a good filesystem with amule. not FAT |
| 13:04.17 | rsdvd | geo-rge : I do not have access to any other debian machines :-( |
| 13:04.24 | liable | rsdvd: it would need to be the same arch as the deb one. the version doesnt matter so much, but try and get one close |
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| 13:05.13 | wols_ | rsdvd: any x86 linux should do |
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| 13:05.29 | swordlaw | wols_: lol |
| 13:05.32 | bonii | Hello I am using Debian etch on my Acer laptop which is running a 2.6.18-5 686 kernel. Yesterday while I was playing a video on VLC player, the sound just stopped abruptly and after that there is no sound. Can someone help me out? I am sorry that I am reposting it again but I needed help. Sorry for the inconvenience. I have put my soundcard related info here please check up and help http://pastebin.ca/679872 |
| 13:05.46 | swordlaw | but do u know how to solve it? |
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| 13:06.07 | wols_ | swordlaw: sure. mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdaX |
| 13:06.11 | liable | bonii: i take it you have rebooted? |
| 13:06.26 | GarryFre | abrotman Thanks for your help. Ive commented out those lines. I'm ready to do aptitude update when you give say go. |
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| 13:07.58 | bonii | liable: Yes, I have once when I earler had this problem. I logged into default GNOME and then changed the headphone jack mode option to hadphone and sound had come back but no such luck this time. |
| 13:09.55 | liable | bonii: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 13:10.08 | liable | bonii: run through that, and let me know how you go |
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| 13:10.23 | DavidProck1981 | wols_, ??? grep -r "find these words inside quotes" * |
| 13:10.40 | DavidProck1981 | like that? |
| 13:10.51 | abrotman | try it |
| 13:11.29 | DavidProck1981 | didnt find any thing but should have |
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| 13:12.40 | abrotman | try grepping for one word |
| 13:12.40 | jelly-home | rsdvd: here: http://test.geoskola.hr/tar |
| 13:12.40 | abrotman | then read man grep again on how to scan for "any" of those words |
| 13:13.01 | abrotman | yay .. binaries on the web! |
| 13:13.22 | geo-rge | webaries! |
| 13:13.24 | jelly-home | rsdvd: that is, if you trust binaries gotten from strangers on irc |
| 13:13.43 | bonii | liable: I did run alsaconf without help and I also checked in alsamixer , cating to /dev/dsp didn't help as there was no sound, checked with ps and there is no esd running and since I am using GNOME so I guess no arts , I have alsa-oss installed and I did modprobe snd-pcm-oss but no help and I am not sure which modules I should unload. |
| 13:14.09 | liable | bonii: hrm |
| 13:14.19 | liable | bonii: do you have /dev/dsp? |
| 13:14.19 | rsdvd | jelly-home : thanks! Can I trust you :-) |
| 13:14.30 | vaq | ehm |
| 13:14.33 | GarryFre | I got an error Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
| 13:14.36 | jelly-home | rsdvd: asking me? Hell no. |
| 13:14.37 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.37 | GarryFre | ack! |
| 13:14.40 | abrotman | bonii: i'm hoping you've done this .. but you didn't state it .. your levels are up ? |
| 13:14.40 | bonii | liable: Yes and my user is in group audio as well. |
| 13:14.58 | abrotman | GarryFre: malformed |
| 13:14.59 | bonii | abrotman: Yes they are up and they are not muted. |
| 13:15.15 | abrotman | bonii: another check .. speakers are plugged in and on? |
| 13:15.20 | bonii | abrotman: I cheked it in both alsamixer and GNOME volume control |
| 13:15.22 | abrotman | (you wouldn't be the first) |
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| 13:15.48 | geo-rge | domputer on? |
| 13:15.59 | bonii | abrotman: I have a laptop so they are plugged in. The sund had just abruptly stopped in the middle of playing |
| 13:16.02 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 13:16.13 | GarryFre | abrotman I commented out the last two security lines and now I see there were a pair of them before. I don't know which ones to comment out. |
| 13:16.22 | abrotman | bonii: do they work in windows ? |
| 13:16.33 | abrotman | GarryFre: paste your sources again |
| 13:16.33 | liable | bonii: can you here sound with headphones? |
| 13:16.37 | abrotman | hear |
| 13:16.44 | liable | haha |
| 13:16.56 | liable | that was actually unintentional |
| 13:17.03 | GarryFre | k. sec. |
| 13:17.06 | liable | i must be getting stupider |
| 13:17.27 | bonii | abrotman: I dont have windows and they used to work and have just stopped working. |
| 13:17.39 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:17.53 | jelly-home | rsdvd: have a md5sum: 7049ba3110521353f6e8f655e817f873 |
| 13:17.59 | abrotman | bonii: anything of interest in dmesg ? |
| 13:18.20 | liable | bonii: do you have any livecd's to test? if you have gone through the whole sound test thing, i suspect your hardware |
| 13:18.23 | Rusty1 | bonii: do you kave a knoppix or other live cd to test with? |
| 13:19.03 | GarryFre | abrotman here's the current sources.list http://www.pastebin.org/1651 |
| 13:19.05 | abrotman | does lspci show the soundcard ? |
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| 13:19.27 | rsdvd | jelly-home : that does nto match the file? although the file works |
| 13:20.08 | jelly-home | rsdvd: um, be very afraid! I did md5sum /var/www/test.geoskola.hr/tar |
| 13:20.14 | abrotman | GarryFre: run aptitude update (or apt-get update if you use that) |
| 13:20.20 | jelly-home | rsdvd: it should match. |
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| 13:20.30 | bonii | liable, Rusty1: I have already tested with Ubuntu live cd and I got sound. SO the soundcard is okay I guess. |
| 13:20.36 | liable | jelly-home: dont help him and then make him paranoid! :) |
| 13:21.07 | liable | bonii: ok, good |
| 13:21.07 | vaq | liable: he have to learn it some way |
| 13:21.07 | geo-rge | yeah, make him paranoid and THEN help him! |
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| 13:21.23 | abrotman | bonii: is somehting already using your sound device ? |
| 13:21.23 | jelly-home | geo-rge: I got it all wrong. :-( |
| 13:21.24 | rsdvd | jelly-home : ignore that! they are the same! I was md5sum on the corrupt one! I am going round in circles |
| 13:21.53 | r2r4 | ping zheng.freenode.net |
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| 13:21.59 | rsdvd | I cannot overwite the corrupt tar with the new one.....it says permission deined (although I am root) |
| 13:22.04 | GarryFre | say abrotman Ok, I did the apt-get update, no errors. |
| 13:22.05 | bonii | abrotman: How do I find out that?? |
| 13:22.15 | abrotman | bonii: fuser or lsof |
| 13:22.16 | jelly-home | rsdvd: anyway, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list before doing any more upgrades |
| 13:22.29 | bonii | liable: I just checked with my headphone. I am getting sound on my headphones. |
| 13:22.34 | abrotman | bonii: i once had a freak totem process that would just restart after a system reboot |
| 13:22.35 | jelly-home | rsdvd: is the filesystem mounted rw? |
| 13:22.36 | bonii | abrotman: Let me check |
| 13:22.52 | rsdvd | jelly-home: yes |
| 13:22.54 | abrotman | headphones wrok .. speakers don't ? |
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| 13:23.07 | liable | ypu |
| 13:23.19 | geo-rge | wrok n wroll! |
| 13:23.30 | jelly-home | rsdvd: can you mv it away then copy the static tar in its place? maybe a tar process is still running |
| 13:23.31 | liable | hehe |
| 13:24.00 | rsdvd | jelly-home: no canot mv it eaither |
| 13:24.16 | liable | rsdvd: does anything have it open? lsof it |
| 13:24.17 | GarryFre | Thanks kindly for the help. Strange, now both apt-get update and aptitude update work, and I hadn't changed the sources.list reason I was using aptitude at all was some isntructions on using initrg |
| 13:24.29 | jelly-home | rsdvd: what does lsattr /bin/tar say? |
| 13:24.31 | GarryFre | Oops! |
| 13:24.43 | geo-rge | he needs sash maybe |
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| 13:24.52 | GarryFre | abrotman Thanks kindly for the help. Strange, now both apt-get update and aptitude update work, and I hadn't changed the sources.list reason I was using aptitude at all was some isntructions on using initrg |
| 13:24.55 | abrotman | the toolit ? |
| 13:24.59 | rsdvd | root@newkiaa1:/bin# lsattr /bin/tar |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | GarryFre: no problem :) |
| 13:24.59 | rsdvd | lsattr: error while loading shared libraries: libext2fs.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:25.07 | jelly-home | geo-rge: maybe he has a rootkit... not that I'm paranoid or anything |
| 13:25.18 | abrotman | wtf did rsdvd do to his box ? |
| 13:25.28 | bonii | liable: How do I get sound on the speakers. I am getting sound on my headphone though. |
| 13:25.29 | jelly-home | rsdvd: eh. |
| 13:25.38 | GarryFre | abrotman /bows /scrapes /etc |
| 13:25.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:25.54 | abrotman | bonii: your PCM levels are up too right ? |
| 13:25.59 | liable | its hard to say seeing as he doesnt know what actually got upgraded |
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| 13:26.12 | rsdvd | jelly-home : how do you check if you are 'rootkitted' ? |
| 13:26.13 | Nuxis | is there any program to burn avi movie's to dvd? |
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| 13:26.17 | bonii | abrotman: Yes. I am getting sound on my headphones. |
| 13:26.27 | jelly-home | rsdvd: oh well. pastebin dpkg -l e2fslibs e2fsprogs libcomerr2 |
| 13:26.58 | sunosa | hi |
| 13:26.58 | jelly-home | should have read woody->sarge notes :-) |
| 13:27.14 | rsdvd | http://www.paste.me.uk/522.html |
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| 13:27.51 | rsdvd | jelly-home : I so wished I had done more reading and realised the differneces between debain and fedora :-( |
| 13:28.06 | abrotman | spelling is only part of it! |
| 13:28.14 | Nuxis | someone know a program? |
| 13:28.23 | liable | ohrly? |
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| 13:28.55 | jelly-home | rsdvd: haha, nice one. You got: e2fsprogs 1.27 (definitely pre-sarge), libcomerr2 1.35 (pre-sarge) and e2fslibs from etch |
| 13:28.57 | rsdvd | Nuxis : nothign wil burn an avi to DVD with first converting ti to mpeg |
| 13:29.11 | Nuxis | rsdvd: ok so mpeg to dvd then and a converter for avi-dvd |
| 13:29.12 | bonii | abrotman, liable: What do I do now to get sound back on the speakers?? |
| 13:29.13 | jelly-home | rsdvd: does ar work? |
| 13:29.15 | liable | yes you can |
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| 13:29.35 | rsdvd | jelly-home : ar seems to work |
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| 13:30.36 | liable | Nuxis: growisofs can burn a dvd full of avi's |
| 13:30.39 | harpal | I want to grep perticular ip address form file. I have written cat file | grep 10.10.136.10 but it also grep that 10.10.136.100 |
| 13:30.47 | Ramonskie | i moved my sytem from 1 house to another and now my system gives me ext3-fs errors i read something to run fsck but how can i run fsck if my sytem won't boot?? |
| 13:30.56 | liable | !uuoc harpal |
| 13:31.13 | Rusty1 | bonii: do you have a mixer console with different device sliders? |
| 13:31.25 | jelly-home | rsdvd: wget -nd http://http.us.carnet.hr/debian/pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/e2fsprogs_1.37-2sarge1_i386.deb http://http.us.carnet.hr/debian/pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/e2fslibs_1.37-2sarge1_i386.deb http://http.us.carnet.hr/debian/pool/main/e/e2fsprogs/libcomerr2_1.37-2sarge1_i386.deb |
| 13:31.32 | harpal | liable: why? |
| 13:31.37 | jelly-home | rsdvd: and try installing with dpkg -i |
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| 13:32.04 | liable | harpal: instead of cat |grep, you can just use grep |
| 13:32.04 | abrotman | harpal: quote it and put a space after the 10 ? |
| 13:32.04 | rsdvd | thanks jelly-home! |
| 13:32.11 | bonii | Rusty1: I didn't get your question. Could you explain a bit?? |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | bonii: sorry .. i was looking at the alsa wiki |
| 13:32.19 | jelly-home | rsdvd: er, sorry, dpkg -i won't work |
| 13:32.32 | rsdvd | "host not found" |
| 13:32.33 | harpal | ok |
| 13:32.38 | Nuxis | liable: tnx |
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| 13:32.53 | Rusty1 | bonii: do you have a mixer console like kmix or something with different volume control sliders |
| 13:32.59 | jelly-home | rsdvd: oh, my bad, that ought to read http.us.debian.org of course |
| 13:33.39 | realshiva | hi, while i try to install the kernel-headers i get some errors, he tells me that he knows the paket linux-headers-... then i got an error while downloading it, he said that the specific file was not found on the server ... is this a local problem ? |
| 13:33.57 | bonii | Rusty1: No I only have GNOME volume control and I am using GNOME. |
| 13:34.03 | liable | realshiva: there are no kernel-headers anymore |
| 13:34.13 | liable | realshiva: they are linux-headers |
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| 13:34.39 | realshiva | liable, sry i mean the linux-headers ... |
| 13:34.41 | rsdvd | jelly-home: how do I install them if dpkg -i won;t work? |
| 13:34.53 | liable | realshiva: paste the whole output to pastebot |
| 13:35.11 | realshiva | liable, ok i will type it ^^ |
| 13:35.24 | jelly-home | rsdvd: for each package: ar x foo.deb; cd /; tar xfvz data.tar.gz |
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| 13:35.49 | just_free_man | hi all! |
| 13:35.55 | liable | hello! |
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| 13:37.08 | Rusty1 | bonii: mixer console like http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/gnome-alsamixer |
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| 13:38.22 | abrotman | bonii: you've done a cold boot right ? |
| 13:38.28 | jelly-home | rsdvd: does, say, touch /bin/foo work? maybe your filesystem is remounted read-only because of errors. In this case I'd say you're quite fucked, since you don't have a working fsck |
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| 13:39.21 | bonii | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 13:39.46 | abrotman | bonii: maybe also ask #alsa |
| 13:39.52 | rsdvd | jelly-home : no that gives 'permission denied' too |
| 13:43.11 | liable | cat /proc/mounts |
| 13:43.19 | jelly-home | rsdvd: cat /proc/mounts ... is your root fs read-only? |
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| 13:43.49 | rsdvd | appears to be rw - /dev/root / ext3 rw,data=ordered 0 0 |
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| 13:44.31 | jelly-home | rsdvd: hmm. ls -ld / /bin |
| 13:44.45 | jelly-home | rsdvd: any funny messages in dmesg? |
| 13:44.59 | just_free_man | I have maintain the Debian package |
| 13:45.05 | just_free_man | With my program |
| 13:45.16 | just_free_man | and I want to put them to repository |
| 13:45.23 | rsdvd | drwxr-xr-x 17 root root 4096 May 27 2005 / |
| 13:45.23 | rsdvd | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Sep 5 2006 /bin |
| 13:45.23 | just_free_man | What's simplest way to do it? |
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| 13:45.43 | liable | just_free_man: you want your package to be in debian? |
| 13:45.48 | just_free_man | Yes |
| 13:45.49 | abrotman | !tell just_free_man about mg |
| 13:45.55 | abrotman | !tell just_free_man about nm |
| 13:46.09 | abrotman | !tell just_free_man about mentors |
| 13:46.20 | liable | just_free_man: read those links and then post it on the debian-mentors ml |
| 13:46.28 | Xenguy | just_free_man: also there is an IRC channel and mailing list called debian-mentors |
| 13:46.46 | Scurz | hi |
| 13:46.47 | realshiva | liable, http://paste.debian.net/36127 <- |
| 13:47.11 | x03 | someone here use mutt whith multiple imaps accounts? |
| 13:47.16 | rsdvd | jelly-home : there are lots of funny messages, but nothing recent. It had issues earlier with /lib/tls |
| 13:47.41 | liable | realshiva: install the -5 linux-image and try again |
| 13:47.42 | abrotman | realshiva: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 13:47.51 | abrotman | erm .. dist-upgrade i guess |
| 13:47.51 | jelly-home | rsdvd: the permissions look ok. and that /lib/tls business may be related to the attempted upgrade |
| 13:48.31 | jelly-home | rsdvd: I have no idea why you are not able to write to /bin |
| 13:48.34 | Scurz | How can I test my dvd reader ? (like with hard disks, smartools) |
| 13:48.42 | just_free_man | Thanks |
| 13:48.45 | rsdvd | jelly-home : that makes 2 of us then! :-) |
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| 13:49.26 | liable | realshiva: ignore that last comment, linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 13:49.30 | jelly-home | rsdvd: but the system as it is now, is quite unusable. I'd create a backup of current state and reinstall. |
| 13:49.43 | liable | realshiva: you missed an 's' |
| 13:50.10 | jelly-home | rsdvd: booting from a livecd would probably make things easier to fix, but i dp |
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| 13:50.26 | rsdvd | jelly-home : I am beinging to agree about the re-install! but that is not something I can do at the moment. |
| 13:50.33 | jelly-home | rsdvd: don't know if you have that option |
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| 13:51.10 | Scurz | ideas for my question? |
| 13:51.14 | jelly-home | rsdvd: and since e2fsprogs are hosed at the moment, that means you are not able to boot normally any way |
| 13:51.27 | realshiva | hmm |
| 13:51.46 | rsdvd | jelly-home : thanks for all your help! it is very much appreciated! I will have to tell the owners that they need to think about something more drastic! |
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| 13:52.23 | realshiva | liable, it themes to work with the ...-5-... headers :-) |
| 13:52.26 | realshiva | thabs |
| 13:52.29 | realshiva | thanks |
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| 13:53.56 | realshiva | hmm |
| 13:53.56 | liable | realshiva: cool |
| 13:53.56 | abrotman | themes to work ? |
| 13:53.56 | jelly-home | rsdvd: if you have a working netcat or ssh on the system, you can create a decent copy of the current state using tar and nc/ssh to another system. |
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| 13:53.56 | liable | hasth a lisp |
| 13:54.00 | CreativeOne | again |
| 13:54.02 | abrotman | liable: is he IRCing with a lisp ? |
| 13:54.03 | abrotman | doh! |
| 13:54.10 | rsdvd | jelly-home : how would I do that? |
| 13:54.17 | CreativeOne | could someone help me to get consoles to work on gnome, I cant switch to virtual consoles from gnome through control alt Fn |
| 13:54.33 | realshiva | abrotman, sry for my bad english, im from germany and the channel debian-de is quiet in the moment |
| 13:54.35 | rsdvd | jelly-home : I am connected through ssh at the moment! |
| 13:55.02 | liable | jelly-home: using tar? :) |
| 13:55.08 | jelly-home | rsdvd: yes, but can you ssh from there to some other machine? |
| 13:55.13 | jelly-home | liable: right. |
| 13:55.14 | liable | rsync |
| 13:55.20 | vaq | scp |
| 13:55.26 | abrotman | realshiva: it's okay .. we're just joking |
| 13:55.27 | jelly-home | vaq: no. |
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| 13:55.55 | realshiva | abrotman, :-) |
| 13:55.55 | jabba | hello |
| 13:55.55 | jabba | can anyone tell me whats going on with my eclipse? http://rafb.net/p/ViOSYB54.html |
| 13:55.55 | CreativeOne | I need help with gnome/x, seriously :/ |
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| 13:55.59 | jelly-home | liable: rsync would also be okay if it worked, yeah |
| 13:56.46 | liable | jelly-home: why wouldnt rsync work? |
| 13:56.46 | lunk | as seen in ##java, Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 13:56.47 | realshiva | other problem, while trying "make" he said that he couldn't find /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build, how to create this directory ? |
| 13:56.49 | liable | oh, retorical |
| 13:56.54 | liable | or not |
| 13:56.59 | liable | just a statement |
| 13:57.37 | jelly-home | liable: less likely to be installed, for example |
| 13:57.54 | liable | rsdvd: is it? |
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| 13:59.04 | rsdvd | I have never used rsync |
| 13:59.04 | rsdvd | no - not installed on that server |
| 13:59.04 | liable | rsdvd: but is it installed on the server? |
| 13:59.04 | liable | crap |
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| 14:00.56 | jelly-home | rsdvd: something like, on local machine: ssh -C root@fucked /my/static/tar --one-file-system cplf - / > rootfs-fucked.tar |
| 14:00.57 | liable | haha |
| 14:00.57 | asg | realshiva: the easiest way is generally to run 'm-a prepare' |
| 14:00.57 | liable | love the subliminal message |
| 14:00.57 | jelly-home | rsdvd: where /my/static/tar is path to the working tar |
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| 14:01.19 | realshiva | asg, what do you mean with m-a prepare ?! |
| 14:01.31 | liable | realshiva: if you have the headers you should have that dir. if you installed the -5 headers, then it would have installed the -5 kernel, in which case you need to reboot |
| 14:01.48 | realshiva | argh ... reboot ... |
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| 14:02.13 | liable | ? |
| 14:02.19 | rsdvd | f*c*i*n* hell.......it will not create a new ssh connection now.....jsut get 'connection closed' |
| 14:02.34 | bagma | hello, that can log what files gets created/modified/deleted in a directory ? |
| 14:02.37 | jelly-home | rsdvd: ah, that was to be expected |
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| 14:02.40 | asg | realshiva: it'll make sure kernel headers are downloaded and linked to */build in /lib/modules. |
| 14:03.01 | rsdvd | I have a ssh session open - just onw;t let me now open another |
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| 14:03.24 | liable | rsdvd: before you lose all your shit, ring the hosting company and get them to image the disk |
| 14:03.39 | jelly-home | rsdvd: what he said. |
| 14:03.42 | liable | rsdvd: you are fucked |
| 14:03.46 | rsdvd | if I was to be able to find a *recent* backup - could I just pub back /lib and /bin and fix these problems? |
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| 14:04.37 | jelly-home | rsdvd: only if you figure out why does writing to /bin not work and fix it |
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| 14:04.45 | liable | rsdvd: how are you going to copy the backup in though? |
| 14:04.49 | realshiva | root |
| 14:04.50 | rsdvd | jelly-home : true! |
| 14:04.53 | bagma | is there a program that can log what files gets created/modified/deleted in a directory ? |
| 14:05.06 | microtux | hi |
| 14:05.20 | jelly-home | liable: typing uuencoded archive thru ssh! |
| 14:05.28 | jelly-home | ;-) |
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| 14:06.32 | microtux | i connected a hw on usb. how can i know the node it's connected on? |
| 14:06.41 | fireba11 | in what package could i find a perl module DBI.pm ? apt-cache doesn't really tell |
| 14:06.58 | sunosa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.59 | asg | bagma: there isn't one out of the box but you should be able to hack one together with the inotify perl or python bindings (gamin or fam may also help) |
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| 14:07.06 | liable | jelly-home: nifty! |
| 14:07.13 | chris_abyi | hey! I'm running debian etch amd64 here with kernel 2.6.18-5-amd64. Now I thought about sarge where I had a smp kernel and multiprocessor support. Is there also such a kernel available for etch? |
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| 14:07.29 | asg | fireba11: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:07.32 | chris_abyi | is it also just necessary to take the smp thing there? |
| 14:07.32 | fireba11 | chris_abyi: etch kernels are all smp enabeled |
| 14:08.08 | jelly-home | liable: well, he could even copy/paste parts, and cut the time to weeks, not years! |
| 14:08.15 | liable | sunosa: can you rephrase that so it makes sense? |
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| 14:08.25 | chris_abyi | it should normally be possible to read it out of dmesg if both processors are detected, isn't it? |
| 14:08.31 | chris_abyi | (shouldn't it?) |
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| 14:08.51 | asg | chris_abyi: /proc/cpuinfo should show how many processors you have |
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| 14:09.38 | liable | jelly-home: he can do lots of shit, but if i were him, the *first* thing i would do is make sure i get that data safe, and he aint going to do that easily where he is over a ssh connection |
| 14:09.39 | chris_abyi | asg: thanks. he in fact shows both processors. I was just wondering because in sarge, the detection of both was shown while booting. thanks. |
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| 14:10.11 | diafic | why have I got iceweasel 2.0.0.3? |
| 14:10.15 | diafic | (I'm runnning lenny) |
| 14:10.21 | liable | rsdvd: does that box have screen installed? |
| 14:10.22 | diafic | Why is 2.0.0.4 no tthere yet? |
| 14:10.31 | microtux | i connected a hw on usb. how can i know the node it's connected on? |
| 14:10.34 | asg | chris_abyi: dmesg should still show CPU0, CPU1, etc init lines. |
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| 14:11.08 | just_free_man | Can anyone to be my advocate? |
| 14:11.22 | sunosa | i want to know the output data format of the network card |
| 14:11.25 | asg | just_free_man: try the debian-mentors mailing list |
| 14:11.33 | liable | rsdvd: seeing as its an email server, does it have zip installed? |
| 14:11.35 | chris_abyi | asg: you're right. thanks. everything appears to be fine there. thank you. :) |
| 14:11.40 | asg | chris_abyi: you're welcome |
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| 14:12.10 | liable | diafic: what makes you think it should be there? |
| 14:12.40 | just_free_man | thanks |
| 14:12.46 | diafic | because 2.0.0.3 is old and crashed when I go on slashdot |
| 14:12.50 | diafic | and quite a few other places too |
| 14:13.04 | zinx | !info iceweasel lenny |
| 14:13.09 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 8852 kB, Installed size: 26940 kB |
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| 14:13.34 | nocturn | I'm running Debian Sarge with NFS |
| 14:13.39 | nocturn | I get NFS stale file handle |
| 14:13.41 | diafic | !info iceweasel etch |
| 14:13.45 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 8852 kB, Installed size: 26940 kB |
| 14:13.48 | nocturn | these remain after rebooting both client and server |
| 14:13.56 | nocturn | Only on one homedirectory |
| 14:14.00 | zinx | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 14:14.01 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 14:14.01 | diafic | So why is testing not running the newer one? |
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| 14:14.12 | diafic | haha, nice |
| 14:14.22 | diafic | oh ffs. |
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| 14:14.26 | diafic | Mips. Brilliant. |
| 14:14.34 | zinx | :D |
| 14:14.36 | diafic | Who uses mips? |
| 14:14.39 | zinx | diafic: check for a backport |
| 14:14.44 | liable | diafic: all arches are equal on debian |
| 14:14.47 | zinx | or try installing the sid debs but *don't* force anything |
| 14:14.56 | diafic | liable, Why?! |
| 14:15.04 | diafic | Who the cack uses MIPS these days? |
| 14:15.04 | zinx | (and don't add sid to your sources, that's werry bad) |
| 14:15.12 | diafic | zinx, how would I go about that? |
| 14:15.15 | liable | diafic: its classed as an RC bug |
| 14:15.20 | liable | diafic: deal with it |
| 14:15.26 | diafic | and who do I have to bribe to build it for mips? |
| 14:15.37 | zinx | diafic: download the proper .deb for your system, then use dpkg -i without any force options |
| 14:15.51 | diafic | oh, okay |
| 14:15.53 | diafic | I will. |
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| 14:17.48 | yang | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vd6D-m5Fss&mode=related&search= |
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| 14:17.49 | bonii | I am getting sound on my headphone but not on the speakers. Any suggestions?? |
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| 14:18.27 | GarryFre | diafic, I tried getting on slashdot with IW 2.0.0.6 that came with Debian 4.0 r1. so far no crashes. Do you have a link I can try on slashdot to make sure? |
| 14:18.40 | slidesinger | !wpa_supplicant |
| 14:18.44 | jelly-home | bonii: and the speaker (or "front") volume is up in alsamixer? |
| 14:18.54 | slidesinger | !xsupplicant |
| 14:18.55 | diafic | I'm installing 2.0.0.7 |
| 14:18.57 | diafic | *0.6 |
| 14:19.01 | nocturn | This is crazy, NFS problems stay with another (empty) directory both on the server and client... |
| 14:19.04 | diafic | .3 crashed |
| 14:19.11 | nocturn | It's somehow bound to the user? |
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| 14:20.56 | slidesinger | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.06 | bonii | jelly-home: I have GNOME alsamixer installed. What mode should I select in that? My master and pcm are all full |
| 14:21.41 | abrotman | bonii: do you have more than one device? and did you ask #alsa ? |
| 14:21.47 | liable | slidesinger: if you are using wireless, use wpasupplicant |
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| 14:22.38 | slidesinger | Creating a wireless network in a business, will be using ccmp (wpa2) |
| 14:22.46 | bonii | abrotman: Yes. I asked them and I have only one card Realtek 260 |
| 14:22.57 | abrotman | not card .. device |
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| 14:24.16 | Shisui | Nitro tha CiMien |
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| 14:24.16 | Nitro | Hi, someone to help me with telnet ? |
| 14:24.30 | Nitro | I do a "aptitude install telnetd" |
| 14:24.39 | Nitro | yes, i have already ssh, but i need telnet |
| 14:25.05 | zinx | no, i can not help you to make your system completely insecure. |
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| 14:25.10 | Nitro | So, i done a aptitude install telnetd / reboot |
| 14:25.13 | slidesinger | Nitro: Why do you need telnet? |
| 14:25.24 | Nitro | To do a php interact |
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| 14:26.04 | Nitro | php need to connect to my server and its too hard to do a secure connexion with ssh |
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| 14:26.22 | microtux | i plugged a hw on usb. how can i know the node it's connected on? |
| 14:26.31 | microtux | help plz |
| 14:26.46 | Nitro | microtux-> U mounted it ? |
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| 14:27.29 | Nitro | So, somebody can help me ? |
| 14:27.43 | zinx | No. |
| 14:27.47 | abrotman | Nitro: why is PHP telnetting to your server ? |
| 14:27.58 | Nitro | I need it |
| 14:28.02 | abrotman | microtux: dmesg |
| 14:28.04 | abrotman | Nitro: WHY? |
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| 14:28.21 | Nitro | I need it !! |
| 14:28.24 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*quux@*] by peterS |
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| 14:28.45 | abrotman | Nitro: no one is going to help you do that unless you come up with a good reason |
| 14:29.04 | Nitro | Php cannot connect to my server with ssh |
| 14:29.10 | Nitro | so, i must use telnet |
| 14:29.20 | zinx | abrotman: you must see by now that there is no good reason :D |
| 14:29.20 | abrotman | Nitro: yes .. and why is PHP telnetting to your server ? |
| 14:29.38 | Nitro | to create shells users |
| 14:29.44 | abrotman | oh bullshit .. |
| 14:29.45 | petemc | system("ssh user@host") |
| 14:29.56 | microtux | abrotman, dmesg don't tell which node, it tellls usblp0, and i don't have such /dev/usblp0 |
| 14:29.57 | zinx | petemc: it's slightly more complicated than that |
| 14:30.02 | petemc | zinx: it is? |
| 14:30.05 | Nitro | petemc-> with php? |
| 14:30.07 | zinx | and i hope to god no one ever tells him how to do either |
| 14:30.10 | petemc | zinx: that works for me with perl |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | microtux: did you load the module usblp ? |
| 14:31.54 | czedlitz_ | by a 15 year old at that |
| 14:31.54 | zinx | petemc: well, if you put the command on the end, and don't want any output, sure.. but you need to be more careful with the arguments |
| 14:31.54 | zinx | petemc: oh, and also don't need to give it any input... |
| 14:31.54 | Nitro | can someone help me? |
| 14:31.54 | czedlitz_ | try another server, it's not going to happen here |
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| 14:31.55 | microtux | abrotman, insmod usblp |
| 14:31.56 | microtux | abrotman, insmod: usblp: no module by that name found |
| 14:31.58 | Nitro | Nobody can help me?!? |
| 14:32.06 | zinx | Nitro: you can create an account on the system without ssh/telnet |
| 14:33.56 | asg | Nitro: have you asked #php? |
| 14:33.56 | Nitro | zinx-> How? |
| 14:33.56 | zinx | Nitro: i recommend, however, that you pay someone with more knowledge about security to set up whatever it is that you're setting up |
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| 14:33.57 | abrotman | microtux: first .. always use modprobe .. secondly .. uname -a says what ? |
| 14:33.57 | zinx | Nitro: and listen to them if they tell you it's completely insecure and you shouldn't do it :P |
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| 14:33.57 | microtux | abrotman, modproe ..... same thing |
| 14:33.57 | abrotman | microtux: and uname -a ? |
| 14:33.58 | Nitro | Ok, and, how to mount /dev/pts ? |
| 14:33.58 | abrotman | Nitro: ask ##php |
| 14:33.58 | microtux | abrotman, i'm using kernel 2.4 |
| 14:33.58 | Nitro | Ok, and, how to mount /dev/pts ? |
| 14:33.58 | zinx | Nitro: you don't need to in debian |
| 14:34.13 | Nitro | zinx-> And, i i want to do that, how can i do? |
| 14:35.13 | Nitro | in /etc/fstab? |
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| 14:35.13 | zinx | Nitro: this channel is for debian support. you don't need to do that in debian. |
| 14:35.13 | asg | Nitro: you can't mount /dev/pts* |
| 14:35.13 | zinx | asg: yeah you can |
| 14:35.13 | Nitro | asg-> Why not? |
| 14:35.13 | asg | zinx: for what reason? |
| 14:35.20 | zinx | asg: reason? there isn't one, debian does it automatically. but you *can* do it. |
| 14:37.06 | zinx | Nitro: try: /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh start |
| 14:37.06 | Nitro | My /dev/pts isnt in my fstab ... how to add it ? |
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| 14:37.06 | zinx | Nitro: you should not add it on debian |
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| 14:37.07 | Nitro | zinx-> bash: /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh: Aucun fichier ou r�pertoire de ce type |
| 14:37.07 | Nitro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.07 | roxy_ | is there a way with aptitude to get only 1 file of a package ? (I want doc/README.extconfig from asterisk-doc in sid ) |
| 14:37.10 | liable | /dev/pts is a directory |
| 14:37.10 | zinx | Nitro: this channel is for Debian support |
| 14:37.21 | Nitro | zinx-> I use debian |
| 14:37.22 | microtux | abrotman, so? any help ,? |
| 14:37.28 | zinx | Nitro: then why doesn't that file exist? |
| 14:37.42 | Nitro | zinx-> I dunno |
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| 14:38.36 | liable | can you mount charecter devices? |
| 14:38.39 | zinx | Nitro: are you running sarge? |
| 14:38.52 | Nitro | zinx-> Yes, Sarge with the last kernel |
| 14:38.55 | abrotman | microtux: which debian is this ? |
| 14:39.00 | zinx | Nitro: which kernel is that? |
| 14:39.03 | zinx | Nitro: sarge is ancient |
| 14:39.06 | Nitro | w8 |
| 14:39.10 | abrotman | n0 |
| 14:39.18 | liable | zinx: you can mount character devices? |
| 14:39.26 | zinx | liable: you can mount a filesystem on a directory. |
| 14:39.36 | zinx | liable: devpts is a filesystem, /dev/pts is a directory. |
| 14:39.39 | microtux | abrotman, sarge |
| 14:39.40 | liable | zinx: you said you can mount /dev/pts |
| 14:39.43 | asg | zinx: I was more curious as to why he would be wanting to mount them |
| 14:39.47 | zinx | liable: and you *CAN* |
| 14:39.56 | abrotman | microtux: install the 2.6 kernel in sarge .. try again (or upgrade to etch) |
| 14:40.13 | microtux | abrotman, we dealt about this before |
| 14:40.13 | zinx | liable: /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh does this for you in etch and newer |
| 14:40.23 | microtux | abrotman, i need a 2.4 kernel |
| 14:40.24 | abrotman | microtux: we did ? |
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| 14:40.31 | abrotman | microtux: your machine locks with 2.6 ? |
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| 14:40.49 | zinx | microtux: what machine? |
| 14:40.51 | abrotman | microtux: you have the dual PIII box ? |
| 14:41.04 | Nitro | Distribution : Debian 3.1 // Kernel : 2.4.33-grs-bipiv-ipv4-32-yukon |
| 14:41.08 | downhillgames | k.. it's been a while.. how do i do the equiv of "yum provides" with apt- again? i thought it was apt-file provides... guess i was wrong |
| 14:41.12 | microtux | abrotman, you helped me to point my sources to sarge |
| 14:41.18 | zinx | Nitro: afaik /dev/pts was added during the 2.6 tree |
| 14:41.22 | microtux | abrotman, zinx x86 p4 |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | microtux: but why doesn't a 2.6 kernel work ? |
| 14:41.26 | zinx | Nitro: you can't mount it. you should probably update to etch anyway. |
| 14:41.35 | Nitro | etch is beta no? |
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| 14:41.38 | zinx | microtux: what motherboard? |
| 14:41.39 | asg | Nitro: no, it's stable |
| 14:41.43 | zinx | Nitro: etch is the stable release |
| 14:41.47 | microtux | abrotman, i need to work with 2.4 |
| 14:41.55 | asg | Nitro: /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs does the same thing in sarge |
| 14:42.05 | dembug | hi all |
| 14:42.13 | microtux | zinx, motherboard?? is it helpfull to know that? |
| 14:42.23 | Nitro | I runed /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs |
| 14:42.24 | zinx | microtux: if your machine is having trouble running 2.6, then yes |
| 14:42.27 | abrotman | microtux: i have no idea if a usb printer works with 2.4 .. i'm sure it would somehow .. but i wouldn't know how |
| 14:42.29 | Nitro | after? |
| 14:42.35 | dembug | groupadd: unable to lock group file |
| 14:42.35 | dembug | adduser: `/usr/sbin/groupadd -g 1009 dembug' returned error code 10. Exiting. |
| 14:42.36 | abrotman | microtux: you'd have to do some serious googling |
| 14:42.40 | dembug | does anyone know how to fix :< |
| 14:42.45 | abrotman | dembug: are you root ? |
| 14:42.45 | dembug | whilst doing adduser , |
| 14:42.48 | asg | Nitro: does /proc/mounts show devpts? |
| 14:42.50 | dembug | yes abrotman :) |
| 14:42.56 | dembug | im having problems with screen -S moo too |
| 14:43.02 | microtux | zinx, i don't have any trouble with 2.6 |
| 14:43.04 | dembug | I'm guessing its something like a gid collision |
| 14:43.11 | microtux | abrotman, it's not a printer |
| 14:43.14 | downhillgames | anyone? equiv of `yum provides` but with aptitude? |
| 14:43.15 | zinx | microtux: oh.. why do you need 2.4 then? |
| 14:43.31 | Nitro | -bash: /proc/mounts: Permission non accordée (Access denied !!) |
| 14:43.34 | abrotman | microtux: uhm .. what is it ? |
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| 14:43.47 | zinx | Nitro: cat /proc/mounts |
| 14:43.50 | Nitro | (im root) |
| 14:43.52 | zinx | Nitro: don't paste it here though |
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| 14:44.05 | downhillgames | ffs |
| 14:44.06 | microtux | abrotman, it's a dev bord for embedded systems, connect with a cable parralle-usb |
| 14:44.06 | abrotman | downhillgames: apt-file |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | oh dear lord |
| 14:44.18 | downhillgames | abrotman; what package provides that? O_o |
| 14:44.30 | asg | Nitro: are you running the standard kernel that sarge provided or did you compile your own? |
| 14:44.30 | microtux | abrotman, i just need to tell to a software wich node to use |
| 14:44.40 | abrotman | downhillgames: apt-file .. aptitude update && aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search <blah> |
| 14:44.40 | dembug | abrotman: I'm thinking its something to do with permissions, or a gid colision with something like slocate |
| 14:44.41 | Nitro | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0/////dev/root / ext3 rw 0 0////proc /proc proc rw 0 0////devpts /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0////tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0 |
| 14:44.41 | Nitro | /dev/sda2 /home ext3 rw 0 0 |
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| 14:44.53 | downhillgames | abrotman; that was over the top. thanks. |
| 14:44.56 | zinx | Nitro: it's mounted |
| 14:44.57 | asg | Nitro: then it's mounted |
| 14:44.58 | abrotman | why is he pasting PHP in here again ? |
| 14:45.01 | Nitro | My heb installed |
| 14:45.04 | dembug | ooer |
| 14:45.05 | dembug | Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages - open (30 Read-only file system) |
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| 14:45.10 | zinx | abrotman: he's pasting /proc/mounts, after i told him not to :/ |
| 14:45.11 | dembug | whats this all about ;< |
| 14:45.22 | abrotman | dembug: reboot the system and fsck the filesystem |
| 14:45.27 | dembug | ahh ok |
| 14:45.27 | asg | zinx: at least he tr(1)'d the newlines |
| 14:45.31 | microtux | abrotman, i just need to tell to a software wich node to use |
| 14:45.32 | dembug | its a production machine :> |
| 14:45.32 | zinx | asg: indeed |
| 14:45.39 | dembug | may need some luck here :D |
| 14:45.57 | dembug | ahh thanks abrotman :) |
| 14:45.57 | dembug | T3-fs error (device md0) in ext3_orphan_del: Journal has aborted |
| 14:45.57 | dembug | EXT3-f |
| 14:46.01 | dembug | your correct, as usual |
| 14:46.03 | fireba11 | 3 down, one to go |
| 14:46.07 | abrotman | you're |
| 14:46.15 | abrotman | dembug: uhm .. have fun? :) |
| 14:46.25 | zinx | yeah, that sounds Bad |
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| 14:46.27 | microtux | abrotman, here is the output of lsusb |
| 14:46.32 | abrotman | microtux: you have to find out what module supports that board |
| 14:46.40 | microtux | abrotman, Bus 002 Device 002: ID 067b:2305 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2305 Parallel Port |
| 14:46.50 | dembug | abrotman: heh thanks you're correct with my corrections, as usual |
| 14:46.51 | zinx | microtux: i forgot, why do you need 2.4 again? |
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| 14:47.43 | abrotman | microtux: sure .. but i have no idea which driver will control that |
| 14:47.55 | abrotman | microtux: why no 2.6 ? |
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| 14:48.01 | microtux | zinx, i need a driver for a dev board , and this driver is under 2.4 only |
| 14:48.05 | asg | abrotman: it's one of the pl* drivers (similar to the usb-serial converters by the looks of it) |
| 14:48.18 | microtux | abrotman, , i need a driver for a dev board , and this driver is under 2.4 only |
| 14:48.23 | abrotman | i'd get a new dev board :) |
| 14:48.41 | abrotman | asg: you mean like plip ? |
| 14:48.43 | microtux | abrotman, avoid |
| 14:48.48 | GarryFre | yeah, or if you got the driver source, try compiling under 2.6.x |
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| 14:49.04 | asg | abrotman: no, like /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/pl2303.ko |
| 14:49.04 | microtux | abrotman, you will have to downgrade to sarge |
| 14:49.08 | abrotman | ew |
| 14:49.09 | microtux | abrotman, ;) |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | microtux: not f'in likely |
| 14:50.15 | microtux | abrotman, !! |
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| 14:50.31 | zinx | asg: pl2303 supposedly doesn't support the PL2305 |
| 14:51.20 | asg | zinx: yeah |
| 14:51.42 | zinx | and indeed, it is not listed in the supported hardware for the module |
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| 14:52.23 | zinx | microtux: get a new board, and get a new parallel<->usb adapter if you still need one :P |
| 14:52.25 | zinx | microtux: or write your own driver for the pl2305. |
| 14:53.08 | microtux | zinx, i'll get a new job, it's easier ^^ |
| 14:53.09 | zinx | microtux: :D |
| 14:53.16 | Nitro | How to upgrade from sarge to etch with only a ssh access |
| 14:53.36 | zinx | Nitro: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
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| 14:53.45 | microtux | abrotman, zinx thank u men |
| 14:53.53 | microtux | abrotman, zinx see you soon |
| 14:54.09 | CyberMad | i install package hylafax-server from "apt-get install", now.. how to check the version of my hylafax-server and how to know where the files installed? |
| 14:54.32 | asg | CyberMad: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 14:55.12 | wols_ | CyberMad: dpkg -l |grep hyla |
| 14:55.24 | abrotman | microtux: as of 4/17 .. Greg KH says no driver |
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| 14:56.30 | abrotman | microtux: zinx http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/4/17/349 |
| 14:56.30 | CyberMad | wols_ is that command to check version of hylafax or installed files? |
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| 14:56.31 | Nitro | [root@MyServ:~]# aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude install initrd-tools <== if i do that, i update ?!? |
| 14:56.31 | abrotman | microtux: TBH .. if you have any pull with that company .. ask them to send the specs to Greg KH or the LKML |
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| 14:57.19 | Nitro | plz |
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| 14:58.20 | wols_ | "aptitude update" updates as it says. what did you expect? |
| 14:58.20 | CyberMad | how to check debian version? |
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| 14:59.15 | wols_ | !version |
| 14:59.15 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a |
| 14:59.15 | zinx | Nitro: did you read the upgrade section in the release notes? |
| 14:59.15 | microtux | abrotman, of course |
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| 14:59.15 | Nitro | zinx-> I dont understand all |
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| 14:59.16 | CyberMad | thanks :) |
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| 14:59.16 | Bac9 | is there a mount option that allows an ordinary user to chown/chgroup on files in the partition? |
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| 14:59.33 | zinx | Nitro: you probably shouldn't try upgrading until you do |
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| 15:00.06 | Nitro | I must update myself my /etc/apt/sources.list or it ll do automaticly? |
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| 15:01.10 | zinx | Nitro: you should do what the upgrade section in the release notes for etch tells you to do |
| 15:01.11 | blaamann | I just installed Lenny and it freezy my box again and again. Are there any log files I can take a look at to investigate the matter ? |
| 15:01.50 | asg | Nitro: if you are doing this only over an ssh connection, I highly recommend that you run screen(1) just in case you get disconnected for some reason. |
| 15:01.50 | bkw | I've installed a serialport controller with 8 comports. But I can only find /dev/ttyS0-3 why? |
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| 15:01.57 | Nitro | Ok, so, how to update ? |
| 15:02.00 | asg | blaamann: /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/syslog are good places to start |
| 15:02.04 | bkw | And how do I findout which ones are on the motherboard, and which ones on the controller |
| 15:02.13 | Zapaty | vi /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:02.20 | asg | Nitro: the site that zinx sent you to provides all the details. |
| 15:02.30 | blaamann | asg: Thanks, I looked in /var/log/messages , but nothing there |
| 15:02.59 | Nitro | Suck, what did u said ? |
| 15:03.04 | Nitro | Script-restart |
| 15:03.08 | \amethyst | Bac9: ordinary users can chgrp files they own, to groups they belong to |
| 15:03.29 | Bac9 | \amethyst: I want to be able to change to any user/group including root |
| 15:04.36 | Bac9 | \amethyst: think backup volume and backup daemon trying to preserve ownership |
| 15:04.36 | \amethyst | Bac9: fakeroot and tar might do what you want |
| 15:04.53 | Nitro | So, if i do "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude install initrd-tools linux-image-2.6-variante && aptitude dist-upgrade" Its ok? |
| 15:04.55 | Bac9 | \amethyst: can't use tar on incremental backup, but what about fakeroot? |
| 15:05.01 | \amethyst | Bac9: fakeroot tricks programs into thinking they can do chowns etc |
| 15:05.22 | \amethyst | Bac9: And remembers the fake ownership/permissions for as long as the fakeroot session |
| 15:05.27 | pepe | backup your files to an archive as root, move your archives around as user.. |
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| 15:05.53 | Bac9 | \amethyst: session is not long enough, I want it stored permenantly |
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| 15:06.10 | Bac9 | pepe: I don't want to allow root login over nfs |
| 15:06.38 | pepe | you could also save all permissions to a file that you add to the backup archive.. |
| 15:06.57 | \amethyst | Bac9: you store them permanently by making an archive in the fakeroot |
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| 15:07.10 | \amethyst | Bac9: doesn't have to be tar, but some kind of archive that stores permissions |
| 15:07.11 | Bac9 | pepe: I don't want to muck around with backup software |
| 15:07.28 | \amethyst | Bac9: are you backing up by cp -a or something? |
| 15:07.38 | Bac9 | \amethyst: that'd require software modification to backup daemon |
| 15:07.45 | Bac9 | \amethyst: faubackup |
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| 15:09.26 | bkw | I've added a sunix serial controller, it has 8 com ports. But I can't see all of them in /dev/ttySX |
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| 15:09.46 | bkw | http://pastebin.ca/679990 |
| 15:09.49 | \amethyst | Bac9: you could tar up the directory that faubackup created in a fakeroot |
| 15:10.08 | Bac9 | \amethyst: that'd break incremental backups |
| 15:10.25 | pepe | it would just be a command that you run before every backup. it saves meta-info to a file. faubackup would backup this file, too. personally, I'd rather use a custom backup script with tar+gpg |
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| 15:11.37 | petemc | Bac9: you want incremental backups, but "don't want to muck around with backup software" ? |
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| 15:11.38 | Bac9 | pepe: faubackup was the first in debian, so I started using it |
| 15:11.38 | Bac9 | petemc: why's that hard to believe? |
| 15:11.39 | petemc | Bac9: seems contradictory |
| 15:11.40 | en1gmaaa | i noticed when i do a 'make menuconfig' and deselct some options that they are still being built. why is this |
| 15:11.48 | Bac9 | petemc: how so? |
| 15:12.06 | \amethyst | Bac9: fakeroot lets you save the session and restore from it latetr |
| 15:12.17 | petemc | Bac9: you generally use backup software to create incremental backups |
| 15:12.20 | \amethyst | Bac9: "session" meaning the fake ownership, perms, etc |
| 15:12.31 | tt_ | Hi everybody. A general question... I got a deiban server on a MSI KT4V motherboard (read: 4 yrs old) and I'm planning to purchase a new harddrive in the capacity range of 500GB. Do you think it will work out of the box? Will I need a controller card for the disc? |
| 15:12.50 | wols_ | tt_: no debian question. |
| 15:13.03 | Bac9 | petemc: and that's what I am doing, using backup software to create incremental backups |
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| 15:13.06 | \amethyst | I have a hard time believing Debian didn't have incremental backup programs until 2000, though |
| 15:13.07 | wols_ | either your hardware and BIOS can do it, then it will work or it can't, then you need a controller |
| 15:13.13 | wols_ | tt_: what chipset? |
| 15:13.17 | en1gmaaa | wols_ why is it when i deselect option in 'make menuconfig' that they still get built |
| 15:13.27 | en1gmaaa | options* |
| 15:13.29 | petemc | Bac9: then its definately contradictory, but ok... |
| 15:13.30 | babilen | Bac9: have a look at rsnapshot. it makes incremental backups incredible easy. alternatives to mention are rdiff-backup and duplicity. |
| 15:13.40 | Bac9 | petemc: elaborate please? |
| 15:13.43 | petemc | no |
| 15:13.47 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: wrong .config? my cimpilation adheres to what I set in menuconfig |
| 15:13.55 | \amethyst | Bac9: The idea being you use faubackup -s perservefile -i preservefile <options> to backup |
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| 15:14.09 | tt_ | wols_ : VIA Apollo KT400 chipset. |
| 15:16.09 | en1gmaaa | so if i dload linux 2.6.22.6 and use the .config from linux-2.6.22-1 it dont work right? |
| 15:16.09 | wols_ | tt_: should work. maybe check BIOS updates |
| 15:16.10 | tt_ | wols_: Thanks. |
| 15:16.10 | wols_ | tt_: my sis735 which is quite a lot older works with disks >137GB |
| 15:16.10 | wols_ | so a kt400 should too |
| 15:16.10 | en1gmaaa | im using the .config from the latest kernel avail in sid |
| 15:16.10 | en1gmaaa | in a freshly dlaoded 2.6.22.6 |
| 15:16.10 | Bac9 | \amethyst: I don't see those options in the manpage |
| 15:16.10 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: it will work. but a make oldconfig is advised |
| 15:16.10 | tt_ | The thing is that on MSI:s FAQ it says it max can support up to 160GB HD. |
| 15:16.10 | en1gmaaa | crap |
| 15:16.10 | wols_ | tt_: could be a BIOS issue |
| 15:16.10 | \amethyst | Bac9: Bac9 sorry, fakeroot -s preservefile -i preservefile faubackup <options> |
| 15:16.11 | en1gmaaa | brb rebooting |
| 15:16.12 | tt_ | wols_: Ill talk to my computer dealer.. I might be able to return it if it doesn't work. |
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| 15:16.17 | wols_ | but the hardware (and therefore linux after the kernel is loaded) can deal with 48bit sectors addresses just fine |
| 15:16.35 | babilen | Bac9: rnsapshot uses hardlinks like faubackup and can also be used to backup to remote servers. |
| 15:16.39 | wols_ | so if you can load the kernel, all will be well |
| 15:16.44 | \amethyst | Bac9: restoring would be a little tricking, but the idea would be fakeroot -i preservefile <tar up the relevant faubackup directory and untar it> |
| 15:17.23 | tt_ | wols_: Roger.Thanks. That should mean that I can run it as a slave without a problem? |
| 15:17.23 | Bac9 | babilen: ok, I'll read up on rbackup |
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| 15:18.19 | wols_ | tt_: yes |
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| 15:18.19 | tt_ | wols_: Thanks again for your help. |
| 15:18.22 | dimsuz | anyone can quickly tell me the strin i need to write to /etc/sudoers to disable asking passwd for 'joe' user? |
| 15:21.44 | dimsuz | man sudo looks so complex. bnfs everywhere :) |
| 15:21.44 | \amethyst | Bac9: The reason I am suggesting something like fakeroot: If you actually grant the user the ability to chown, you have defeated the purpose of not allowing root login over NFS |
| 15:21.44 | dimsuz | i know that it's something about NOPASSWD, but not sure about exact syntax |
| 15:21.44 | themill_ | dimsuz: username ALL = NOPASSWD : list, of, commands |
| 15:21.44 | \amethyst | Bac9: after all, the user chould chown me /etc/exports change the file and chown it back to root :) |
| 15:21.44 | Bac9 | \amethyst: it's a separate volume, ideally what I'd want is a push-backup with destination running as root |
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| 15:21.45 | dimsuz | themill_: thanks! what if I want to enable this for all commands |
| 15:21.45 | Bac9 | \amethyst: last I checked faubackup did not do push-backups |
| 15:21.45 | dimsuz | NOPASSWD : ALL? |
| 15:21.45 | babilen | dimsuz: you probably don't want that. but i's <user> ALL = NOPASSWD: ALL |
| 15:21.45 | themill_ | dimsuz: ummm... install ubuntu ;) |
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| 15:21.45 | \amethyst | Bac9: What do you mean by push backups? |
| 15:21.45 | ErkiDerLoony | Which easy to use WYSIWYG editor would you suggest for debian? |
| 15:21.45 | dimsuz | themill_: actually i have it :D. and debian on my laptop |
| 15:21.45 | themill_ | ErkiDerLoony: for what sort of work? |
| 15:21.45 | dimsuz | babilen: I know what i'm doing :) but thanks for caution |
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| 15:21.45 | Zapaty | ErkiDerLoony: nvu |
| 15:21.46 | ErkiDerLoony | I want to renew my homepage and don't want to enter all the html code again. |
| 15:21.46 | Bac9 | \amethyst: the client tells the server when the client wishes to do a backup and initiates the backup procedure |
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| 15:21.46 | babilen | dimsuz: just wanted to point that out. remember that you can specify commands that can be run like that. that would be a more secure approach. |
| 15:21.48 | dimsuz | btw, maybe someone knows if nvidia-kernel-source finally made its way into testing? |
| 15:21.49 | themill_ | ErkiDerLoony: quanta is pretty good |
| 15:21.57 | ErkiDerLoony | Zapaty: Can't find any nvu package in testing. |
| 15:22.12 | dimsuz | babilen: thanks! :) |
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| 15:23.47 | themill_ | Zapaty: isn't nvu dead upstream? |
| 15:24.39 | babilen | dimsuz: just list the commands instead of ALL... |
| 15:24.39 | babilen | dimsuz: seperated with "," |
| 15:24.39 | dimsuz | babilen: ok |
| 15:24.39 | Zapaty | yep |
| 15:24.50 | roxy_ | I got an error: configure: error: *** termcap support not found . What package do I need ? |
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| 15:24.51 | CAiRO | how can i find out what block size my ext3 file system uses? |
| 15:25.16 | en1gmaaa | how do i make a new .config that would normally be created when you first untar a linux image.bz2 that should come up when you "first" do a 'make menuconfig' |
| 15:25.39 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: make menuconfig creates the .config automatically |
| 15:25.40 | en1gmaaa | i did a 'make clean' and removed any old .config that was in there |
| 15:25.42 | themill_ | rm .config; make menuconfig? |
| 15:25.52 | en1gmaaa | its still picking up an old one some how |
| 15:26.03 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: just don't give menuconfig a filename to save to. simply save, nothing more |
| 15:26.23 | hark | roxy_: terminfo is used now instead. what package are you trying to compile? |
| 15:26.32 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: does a new .config exist in your linux source main directory? |
| 15:26.37 | themill_ | en1gmaaa: is there a make distclean? (I can't remember) |
| 15:26.37 | en1gmaaa | before i save (when im still in menuconfig) i see settings its picking up somewhere from a prev .config |
| 15:26.56 | en1gmaaa | let me try 'make distclean' maybe |
| 15:26.57 | wols_ | yes. if there is no .config it chooses a default configuration |
| 15:27.01 | wols_ | nothing wrong with that |
| 15:27.18 | wols_ | then you save your .config and from then on it uses that as long as it exists |
| 15:27.18 | themill_ | wols_: I think en1gmaaa is asking how to get that default config |
| 15:27.21 | en1gmaaa | well its not like it normally is when its first untarred |
| 15:27.25 | roxy_ | hark: I am trying to compile a module for Asterisk. |
| 15:27.30 | en1gmaaa | ill just untar again maybe that will work |
| 15:27.33 | wols_ | the kernel ships with it somewhere. why do you bother? |
| 15:27.37 | \amethyst | en1gmaaa: You want the debian default .config? |
| 15:28.18 | themill_ | !wayttd en1gmaaa |
| 15:28.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, en1gmaaa? |
| 15:28.23 | liable | i dont think he knows what he wants |
| 15:28.55 | en1gmaaa | i want the normal .config that is created after its linux kernel is untarred and make menuconfig first ran |
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| 15:29.37 | liable | so dont copy a config, run make menuconfig and shut it before you edit any choices |
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| 15:30.00 | liable | that will give you kernel defaults |
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| 15:30.26 | en1gmaaa | i already previously stated i "REMOVED" the .config before i did make menuconfig |
| 15:30.34 | liable | ... |
| 15:30.47 | en1gmaaa | its still pulling up not the default config |
| 15:30.50 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: won't help you. you still get it after running menuconfig that way :) |
| 15:30.52 | K0brik | who broke my logout command? |
| 15:30.57 | wols_ | there's more than one .config file around |
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| 15:31.12 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: you don't even know what a default config is... |
| 15:31.16 | en1gmaaa | im just gonna untar the linux kernel again |
| 15:31.23 | roxy_ | hark: solved with libncurses-dev . |
| 15:31.24 | bolt-work | How can I get a list of all directories which contain both a file named FOO and a file named BAR? |
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| 15:31.38 | liable | en1gmaaa: and how are you deciding you dont have the default config? |
| 15:31.42 | K0brik | when I logout the terminal buffer doesn't get cleared |
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| 15:32.04 | wols_ | liable: divination |
| 15:32.15 | K0brik | or is it the vga buffer? |
| 15:32.21 | liable | wols_: tardination |
| 15:32.30 | bkw | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. But I do have /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/ |
| 15:32.51 | liable | bkw: and kernel = build? |
| 15:33.02 | wols_ | bkw: apt-cache search kbuild |
| 15:33.14 | liable | bkw: you need the headers |
| 15:33.17 | bkw | Can't I just link build->kernel? |
| 15:33.23 | bkw | liable: the headers are installed. |
| 15:33.25 | liable | no you cant |
| 15:33.38 | liable | bkw: then they should link from /build |
| 15:33.50 | hark | roxy_: yeah ;) http://www.mail-archive.com/asterisk-users@lists.digium.com/msg153874.html |
| 15:33.56 | bkw | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-7 Linux Kernel Headers for development |
| 15:34.18 | liable | wtf is with all the kernel tards today? was there a digg article on building kernels? |
| 15:34.32 | liable | bkw: -7 ? |
| 15:34.33 | bkw | uhm, but uname sais http://pastebin.ca/680009 |
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| 15:34.41 | bkw | oops |
| 15:34.49 | bkw | snigel:/home/bkw/tmp/golden_2.6# uname -a |
| 15:34.49 | bkw | Linux snigel 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 02:19:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:34.52 | pepe | bolt-work: for i in $(find /home -name \.bashrc); do test -f $(dirname "$i")/.bash_profile && echo $(dirname "$i") ;done |
| 15:34.57 | en1gmaaa | dont call me a tard cause 'make clean' then deleting old .config and then make menuconfig still finds some damn .config somewhere |
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| 15:35.15 | K0brik | I just fill it with non-sense before I exit then heh |
| 15:35.15 | en1gmaaa | its not really making clean is it |
| 15:35.30 | pepe | bolt-work: shows directories in /home that contain .bashrc and .bash_profile |
| 15:35.31 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: it is. |
| 15:35.49 | en1gmaaa | not really if it still finds some config from a previous .config |
| 15:35.54 | K0brik | to avoid a shift-PgUp exploit |
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| 15:36.06 | liable | en1gmaaa: give up, you are too stupid to compile a kernel |
| 15:36.11 | bolt-work | pepe: great! thanks |
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| 15:36.18 | en1gmaaa | ive already compiled a 100 kernels easily |
| 15:36.18 | bkw | weird, how can the headers be -7 |
| 15:36.21 | en1gmaaa | that do work! |
| 15:36.26 | bkw | ? |
| 15:36.35 | liable | bkw: you tell us |
| 15:36.38 | en1gmaaa | liable so you are dumb for insinuating something like that |
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| 15:36.56 | bkw | liable: I've no clue. I've installed etch and build-essential |
| 15:37.07 | pepe | K0brik: just add 'clear' to your .bash_logout or so? |
| 15:37.26 | liable | en1gmaaa: no, you get told things and ignore them, or worse dispute them with no sensible explanation of your own |
| 15:37.30 | K0brik | pepe: clear doesn't work |
| 15:37.35 | wols_ | bluesceada: b-e aren't kernel headers |
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| 15:37.46 | bkw | I will install linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 now |
| 15:38.12 | en1gmaaa | tell me how "make clean" is working when (any prev .config was removed) and 'make menuconfig' still picks it up |
| 15:38.15 | K0brik | it only makes my prompt the first line on the screen |
| 15:38.38 | en1gmaaa | like that one guy said (there might be a 'make distclean' |
| 15:38.51 | liable | en1gmaaa: again, tell me how you know that an old config is being used |
| 15:39.20 | en1gmaaa | well that is real simple...when i go in there i see my proc selected "k7" and default is not that |
| 15:39.26 | bkw | I still get serious errors during compile |
| 15:39.27 | pepe | K0brik: you're right...you could add a chvt 9(and back) to empty the buffer.. |
| 15:39.35 | bkw | http://pastebin.ca/680022 |
| 15:39.57 | themill_ | en1gmaaa: the kernel makefile isn't as dumb as you imagine... if you're running on k7 then it's going to try that by default... |
| 15:40.16 | en1gmaaa | no it dont |
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| 15:40.26 | en1gmaaa | when its first untarred and then make menuconfig is "FIRST RAN" it does not show K7 |
| 15:40.38 | en1gmaaa | who is new at kernel customization? |
| 15:40.44 | themill_ | en1gmaaa: so why don't you just do that again? |
| 15:40.48 | wols_ | bkw: dpkg -S /usr/include/stdio.h |
| 15:40.54 | en1gmaaa | that is what i already did |
| 15:40.56 | en1gmaaa | hello |
| 15:41.09 | themill_ | en1gmaaa: and don't bother getting personal with me. I'll beat you in any big dick competition you like. |
| 15:41.14 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: what is your linux source directory? |
| 15:41.14 | en1gmaaa | liable keeps on hurasing me saying i dont know shit |
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| 15:41.27 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: cause liable has a point |
| 15:41.28 | en1gmaaa | themill i know better then that :) |
| 15:41.45 | en1gmaaa | ./usr/src/kernel_name |
| 15:41.51 | bkw | wols_: snigel:/home/bkw/tmp/golden_2.6# dpkg -S /usr/include/stdio.h |
| 15:41.52 | bkw | dpkg: /usr/include/stdio.h not found. |
| 15:41.55 | K0brik | pepe: why is that not implemented by default? |
| 15:41.56 | en1gmaaa | just like the linux 2.6 guide says |
| 15:42.06 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: ls -al /usr/src/kernel_name/.config*. what does this show? |
| 15:42.12 | themill_ | en1gmaaa: so have you untarred the kernel source afresh and it still has a different .config that you don't like? |
| 15:42.15 | en1gmaaa | i always do ls -la |
| 15:42.20 | pepe | because its a crude workaround for a missing feature? :) |
| 15:42.21 | wols_ | bkw: you didn't have b-e installed at all |
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| 15:42.41 | en1gmaaa | i untarred and just did a 'make clean' but havent ran 'make menuconfig' yet |
| 15:42.43 | fsmunoz | Uh.... make clean doesn't remove the .config file. |
| 15:42.45 | bkw | wols_: I had, but it did install wrong headers -7 |
| 15:42.48 | bkw | which is wrong |
| 15:42.53 | bkw | hold on, I can try again |
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| 15:42.59 | mwalling | make mrproper? |
| 15:42.59 | fsmunoz | IIRC "make mrproper" does |
| 15:43.03 | wols_ | -7? there is no "-7" anywhere in libc6-dev |
| 15:43.07 | pepe | maybe there is some option that you can give to the terminal to clear the buffer...don't know.. |
| 15:43.25 | K0brik | buggy by default |
| 15:43.40 | en1gmaaa | omg it is still picking up my proc |
| 15:43.57 | pepe | it should also be possible to disable scrolling alltogether.. |
| 15:44.00 | en1gmaaa | its reding info somewhere it didnt before....maybe the 'make clean' command is inserting info |
| 15:44.24 | K0brik | thats ugly |
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| 15:44.25 | en1gmaaa | i gonna untar and do a make menuconfig without doing the make clean this time |
| 15:44.25 | mwalling | en1gmaaa: less the Makefile and see for your self what it does |
| 15:44.40 | liable | yeah right |
| 15:45.13 | en1gmaaa | i know what it does it picks up a k6 normally |
| 15:45.14 | en1gmaaa | not a k7 |
| 15:45.14 | K0brik | should I go freebsd instead? |
| 15:45.14 | en1gmaaa | unless the kernel im running now 2.6.22.6 is fixed |
| 15:45.36 | pepe | K0brik: lol |
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| 15:45.49 | K0brik | hehe |
| 15:46.14 | en1gmaaa | untarring again |
| 15:46.16 | N0S3 | some known how i can download a file from rapidshare or megaupload with wget ? |
| 15:46.38 | tabris|away | you generally cannot. |
| 15:47.10 | K0brik | N0S3: you can use wget with apache |
| 15:47.19 | K0brik | N0S3: quite rapid share |
| 15:48.25 | bkw | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/680031 see that. |
| 15:48.25 | bkw | it's -7 header, weird! |
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| 15:48.26 | themill_ | en1gmaaa: what's your uname -m |
| 15:48.26 | pepe | you can parse the html you get with a script that only shows the captchas that need to be answered. I use that together with udhcpc -r $randomIP |
| 15:48.26 | N0S3 | K0brik: ahh ok |
| 15:48.26 | K0brik | N0S3: yeah. with subranges and all |
| 15:48.29 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.07 | bkw | what do you mean? |
| 15:50.48 | K0brik | good point bkw |
| 15:50.54 | wols_ | bkw: I mean you need to learn what libc6-dev is and what kernel-headers are. hint: stdio.h is not a kernel header |
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| 15:56.40 | themill_ | en1gmaaa: also look at include/config/auto.conf. And you should (by now, from what you say) be familiar enough to look inside a makefile.... you'll see straight off a few things like "for documentation type make help" and make mrproper and information about how ARCH is set and where the default skeleton config is found. |
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| 15:57.21 | en1gmaaa | i ran make mrproper already |
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| 15:57.28 | en1gmaaa | still pulling up k7 as proc type |
| 15:57.29 | Dieterbe | someone here using the joe editor? i can't get the --spaces option to work (i want to use tabs instead of spaces, so i want to disable -spaces) |
| 15:57.36 | themill_ | en1gmaaa: what's your uname -m |
| 15:57.37 | en1gmaaa | when it never did that with the debian kernel |
| 15:57.43 | en1gmaaa | im root |
| 15:57.56 | themill_ | wtf? |
| 15:57.57 | en1gmaaa | i686 |
| 15:58.26 | K0brik | how did you do it? |
| 15:58.36 | en1gmaaa | do what |
| 15:58.43 | K0brik | get root |
| 15:58.58 | en1gmaaa | i login with root from putty |
| 15:59.07 | en1gmaaa | im doing all this off a remote machine |
| 15:59.09 | en1gmaaa | on lan |
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| 15:59.32 | K0brik | ok |
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| 15:59.43 | en1gmaaa | im root |
| 15:59.54 | bkw | wols_: I simply want to be able to compile with -5 headers and no missing .h files. what's the problem with that? |
| 16:00.07 | bkw | wols_: I don't understand why -7 headers are installed by b-e |
| 16:00.30 | azeem | bkw: what do you want to compile? |
| 16:00.41 | wols_ | bkw: stdio.h is part libc6-dev. why do you need kernel headers exactly? what are you compiling? |
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| 16:01.01 | bkw | I'm trying to compile a driver |
| 16:01.14 | azeem | kernel driver? |
| 16:01.21 | azeem | then use the linux-headers |
| 16:01.24 | wols_ | bkw: the error output you've shown before had missing stdio.h, not kernel headers |
| 16:01.30 | azeem | l-k-h is not for that |
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| 16:03.03 | en1gmaaa | <K0brik> get root ok im root |
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| 16:03.27 | K0brik | en1gmaaa: congratulations |
| 16:03.36 | en1gmaaa | well what was i supposed to do next |
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| 16:04.06 | K0brik | put the good ol' sign en1gmaaa |
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| 16:04.30 | en1gmaaa | k |
| 16:05.19 | wols_ | make-kpkg --initrd binary-arch |
| 16:05.25 | john_doe | which package includes /etc/init.d/alsasound? |
| 16:05.34 | azeem | john_doe: /msg dpkg search |
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| 16:05.42 | en1gmaaa | wols_ was that for me? |
| 16:05.45 | john_doe | azeem: thanks |
| 16:05.58 | wols_ | en1gmaaa: possibly |
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| 16:06.33 | en1gmaaa | hmmm |
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| 16:06.39 | en1gmaaa | i analysing the command |
| 16:07.30 | en1gmaaa | i dont use an initrf |
| 16:07.31 | en1gmaaa | so prob not for me |
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| 16:07.31 | themill_ | ffs |
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| 16:08.05 | themill_ | bye all! |
| 16:08.06 | en1gmaaa | n8 |
| 16:10.28 | arc_ | hey, i wonder if i can create a new partion from hda1 ? http://pastebin.com/m77185f03 |
| 16:10.28 | K0brik | nice scratch |
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| 16:10.29 | john_doe | I don't have the file (so I can't use dpkg), and apt-file doesn't find it... |
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| 16:11.19 | cahoot | john_doe, etch? |
| 16:11.43 | john_doe | cahoot: yes |
| 16:11.43 | cr3 | what's the name of that command which outputs true continuously which can be used to pipe to commands prompting from stdin? |
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| 16:12.01 | cr3 | nevermind, the command is "yes" |
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| 16:13.30 | K0brik | cr3: echo |
| 16:13.30 | cahoot | john_doe, seems there is no such file in etch |
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| 16:13.33 | cr3 | K0brik: echo isn't continous though, that's the cool thing about the yes command |
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| 16:14.22 | K0brik | cr3: perl -e 'print "yes\n" while (1)' | your_program heh |
| 16:14.59 | en1gmaaa | !build |
| 16:14.59 | dpkg | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/dpkg-buildpackage.html |
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| 16:15.38 | cahoot | john_doe, might be you're looking for alsa-utils |
| 16:15.48 | pepe | or alsa |
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| 16:16.00 | diafic | How can I use a screensaver as a background? Someone told me I could |
| 16:16.18 | john_doe | cahoot: thanks, I'll try |
| 16:16.58 | en1gmaaa | is there a command to display a list of commands the bot uses |
| 16:17.20 | \amethyst | en1gmaaa: /msg dpkg help but you'll have to get sub-help on many topics to see all the commands |
| 16:17.27 | en1gmaaa | thnx |
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| 16:18.01 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I tell vino not to use the gnome-keyring to accept vnc connections? |
| 16:18.29 | en1gmaaa | im looking for all those commands that the bot can list like build essentials and mantra and more |
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| 16:18.37 | azeem | en1gmaaa: why? |
| 16:18.49 | doublehp | for exim, what's the difference between a Relay and a smarthost ? |
| 16:18.57 | \amethyst | en1gmaaa: those aren't commands, they're factoids |
| 16:19.02 | en1gmaaa | ohh |
| 16:19.10 | john_doe | when I try to reload alsa I get "Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload)." What am I missing? |
| 16:19.17 | en1gmaaa | is there a list of those so i can bookmark and not have to ask people |
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| 16:19.41 | cahoot | john_doe, a previously loaded module |
| 16:19.46 | K0brik | john_doe: this you are missing: perl -e '`gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=http://divbyzero.de:8100` while(1)' |
| 16:21.04 | john_doe | K0brik: what is that?? |
| 16:21.04 | K0brik | john_doe: a sweet radio/video streamer |
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| 16:21.28 | john_doe | cahoot: I don't seem to have any alsa driver modules installed. How do I get them? |
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| 16:21.43 | dvs | !alsaconf |
| 16:21.44 | cahoot | john_doe, what kernel? |
| 16:21.49 | pepe | ERROR: pipeline could not be constructed: no element "playbin". |
| 16:21.52 | \amethyst | en1gmaaa: maybe /msg dpkg help listkeys and /msg dpkg help listvals |
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| 16:21.56 | pepe | @K0brik |
| 16:22.00 | john_doe | cahoot: 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:22.10 | \amethyst | en1gmaaa: those let you search the factiod database by regexp |
| 16:23.01 | cahoot | john_doe, then alsa is included |
| 16:23.01 | dvs | !tell john_doe about alsa one-liner |
| 16:23.01 | en1gmaaa | i just did a /msg dpkg factoids and now im on an ftp server with archives |
| 16:23.01 | cahoot | john_doe, try this: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base && invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 16:23.02 | K0brik | pepe: maybe you need to apt-get install fluendo |
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| 16:23.23 | K0brik | as a gst plug-in |
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| 16:24.00 | cahoot | john_doe, then test basic alsa using aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 16:24.02 | pepe | still no playbin.. |
| 16:24.26 | john_doe | cahoot: thanks, the result is not good: http://pastebin.ca/680060 |
| 16:24.42 | K0brik | pepe: man gst-launch-0.10. What can I say. It works here |
| 16:25.05 | pepe | gst-thingy is obscure to me anyway, rather use mplayer/xmms.. |
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| 16:25.26 | diafic | How can I use a screensaver as a background? Someone told me I could. |
| 16:25.26 | K0brik | pepe: it can use ffmpeg |
| 16:25.26 | dvs | john_doe: read what dpkg said |
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| 16:25.41 | diafic | Also: How can I do "mount -a" when I'm connected to a certain network? |
| 16:25.43 | cahoot | john_doe, dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base - you get any error msg? |
| 16:25.45 | pepe | and that is good because..? |
| 16:25.51 | diafic | OR when ath0 is connected |
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| 16:26.30 | K0brik | pepe: mplayer use the same |
| 16:26.30 | pippijn | hi all |
| 16:26.30 | pippijn | the perl in my debian etch seems broken |
| 16:26.30 | Nighthawk | Hi |
| 16:26.30 | Nighthawk | I am new into Debian, and more or less all going smoothly, but now I can't find any decent tutorial how to set for each of 3 IP's other domain. Anyone know any tutorial in "understandable" language for newbie? |
| 16:26.30 | \amethyst | diafic: with the xscreensaver savers, you can do something like /usr/lib/xscreensaver/atlantis -root |
| 16:26.30 | Nighthawk | I fowarded domains to IP's but when I need to set up on my server side, I stucked. |
| 16:26.30 | diafic | ooOOOooOoo |
| 16:26.30 | john_doe | cahoot: no |
| 16:26.31 | pepe | okay...so there's nothing wrong with staying with mplayer.. :) |
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| 16:26.43 | pippijn | the problem is |
| 16:26.43 | \amethyst | diafic: I imagine gnome-screensaver and rss-glx work similarly |
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| 16:26.50 | pippijn | can't locate Scalar/Util.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl :-) at /usr/share/perl5/Debian/DocBase/DocBaseFile.pm line 15. |
| 16:26.58 | xsdg | is half of ftp.us.d.o down? (I can't get to 35.9.37.225 from here) |
| 16:27.02 | cahoot | john_doe, but invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 gives the error you pasted? |
| 16:27.06 | pippijn | and that one is vital to just about all of perl and therefore Debian |
| 16:27.10 | john_doe | cahoot: alsa is in the kernel. But are the sound card drivers/modules really built-in? I thought they would be modules..... |
| 16:27.23 | john_doe | cahoot: yes |
| 16:27.23 | cahoot | they are |
| 16:27.36 | cahoot | they are provided as modules |
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| 16:27.53 | cahoot | john_doe, what soundcard is this? |
| 16:28.04 | loopdee | debian is awsome |
| 16:28.18 | diafic | loopdee, yes. yes it is. |
| 16:28.26 | \amethyst | pippijn: what's this about /usr/local/lib ? |
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| 16:29.13 | john_doe | cahoot: I have two cards. An intel 82801H (know it's not supported) and an edirol ua-25 which uses the usb-audio module. |
| 16:29.22 | \amethyst | pippijn: never mind, those are in the default @INC |
| 16:29.26 | john_doe | cahoot: I don't even have /proc/asound |
| 16:29.29 | peppet | Hi all. On debian amd64 'ldd /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin|grep "not found"' return four libraries: is this normal? |
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| 16:29.44 | pippijn | \amethyst: it happened when I upgraded at some point |
| 16:29.45 | cahoot | john_doe, try modprobe snd-usb-audio |
| 16:29.50 | \amethyst | pippijn: is /usr/lib/perl/5.8 a link to '5.8.8'? |
| 16:29.51 | K0brik | peppet: bon echo |
| 16:29.51 | peppet | (debian unstable) |
| 16:29.53 | pippijn | \amethyst: it has been like this for four weeks now |
| 16:30.46 | pippijn | \amethyst: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2007-05-12 00:00 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 -> 5.8.8/ |
| 16:30.46 | john_doe | cahoot: as I said these modules do not exist on my system |
| 16:30.47 | john_doe | cahoot: FATAL: Module snd_usb_audio not found. |
| 16:30.47 | \amethyst | pippijn: do you have /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Scalar/Util.pm ? |
| 16:30.47 | uttar1 | After installing kde, how can I uninstall gnome. "apt-get remove gnome" says "package gnome not installed" |
| 16:31.14 | pippijn | \amethyst: no |
| 16:31.24 | peppet | K0brik: what do you mean? |
| 16:31.29 | en1gmaaa | http://pastebin.ca/680071 |
| 16:31.34 | pippijn | \amethyst: if I copy it in, it says my perl doesn't support weak references |
| 16:31.36 | \amethyst | pippijn: what does dpkg -l perl say (version etc) ? |
| 16:31.43 | en1gmaaa | when i try to install build-essentials |
| 16:31.47 | capiira | hmmm hi i was looking for the mysql-admin and mysql-query package and there is no package. anyone know why? it was always there |
| 16:31.55 | K0brik | peppet: ask #firefox |
| 16:32.16 | pippijn | \amethyst: http://rafb.net/p/LdqC0J29.txt |
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| 16:32.34 | john_doe | cahoot: "modprobe --list |grep snd" gives very few modules (approx 10) and they are all acore or synth modules. |
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| 16:32.56 | \amethyst | pippijn: and does perl --version agree? |
| 16:33.08 | pippijn | This is perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
| 16:33.18 | \amethyst | pippijn: (it won't print the -7, but it should still say 5.8.8) |
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| 16:33.21 | valdyn | john_doe: why are you not using a debian kernel |
| 16:33.28 | pippijn | \amethyst: it does |
| 16:33.30 | john_doe | valdyn: I am |
| 16:33.35 | \amethyst | pippijn: and this is an amd64 install? |
| 16:33.40 | \amethyst | pippijn: just verifying |
| 16:33.41 | pippijn | \amethyst: yes |
| 16:33.41 | peppet | K0brik: I'm not sure they will very happy hearing my question on iceweasel there ;) |
| 16:33.45 | john_doe | valdyn: I got it from apt |
| 16:33.58 | john_doe | valdyn: and the standard apt sources |
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| 16:34.05 | K0brik | gecko stuff peppet? |
| 16:34.11 | valdyn | john_doe: a debian kernel gives ~108 modules for that command |
| 16:34.15 | \amethyst | pippijn: I'd suggest reinstalling perl |
| 16:34.27 | pippijn | \amethyst: how? I can impossibly delete it |
| 16:34.46 | en1gmaaa | why do i get that error when i try to install build essentials? http://pastebin.ca/680071 |
| 16:34.48 | pippijn | \amethyst: perl is a core part of debian.. almost every tool relies on it |
| 16:34.48 | wols_ | john_doe: uname -a |
| 16:34.52 | pepe | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 16:34.57 | pippijn | \amethyst: it even says "I know this is a very bad idea" if I try |
| 16:35.08 | \amethyst | pippijn: not delete, just reinstall |
| 16:35.15 | diafic | \amethyst, there is no /usr/lib/xscreensaver D: |
| 16:35.17 | pippijn | \amethyst: how? |
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| 16:35.32 | \amethyst | pippijn: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.8-7_amd64.deb |
| 16:35.33 | wols_ | pippijn: with dpkg |
| 16:35.35 | john_doe | wols_: Linux tina 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 02:19:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:35.35 | nescius | hi, i wonder if you can help me... i am looking for any "standard" patch of backup directory, it there is anything like that, well i mean like /var/backup or something.. |
| 16:35.42 | K0brik | how do I verify an install with apt-get ? |
| 16:35.49 | pippijn | ok |
| 16:35.52 | wols_ | john_doe: locate snd |grep modules |
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| 16:35.56 | pippijn | done, let's see |
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| 16:36.07 | pippijn | yep |
| 16:36.08 | wols_ | john_doe: possibly depmod -a |
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| 16:36.14 | pippijn | \amethyst: seems to work |
| 16:36.32 | \amethyst | diafic: that's part of the xscreensaver package... maybe you have gnome-screensaver |
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| 16:36.35 | john_doe | wols_: you hit the head of the nail!! |
| 16:36.45 | valdyn | K0brik: you dont, you can use 'debsums' though |
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| 16:37.27 | john_doe | cahoot: ie /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko |
| 16:37.38 | cahoot | john_doe, try modprobe snd-usb-audio |
| 16:37.56 | john_doe | cahoot: FATAL: Module snd_usb_audio not found |
| 16:38.11 | pippijn | \amethyst: thanks |
| 16:38.14 | valdyn | john_doe: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko |
| 16:38.44 | john_doe | cahoot: No such file or directory |
| 16:39.02 | john_doe | valdyn: that was for you, actually |
| 16:39.07 | valdyn | john_doe: apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 16:39.23 | K0brik | debsums: nothing appropriate |
| 16:39.33 | valdyn | K0brik: rtfm |
| 16:39.47 | john_doe | will need to reboot.... |
| 16:39.53 | valdyn | john_doe: no |
| 16:39.56 | diafic | \amethyst, I installed it |
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| 16:40.09 | diafic | it isn't there D: |
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| 16:40.36 | \amethyst | diafic: what package and what version of that package? |
| 16:40.43 | xerophyte | does anybody here use powerdns if so how do you guys add the zone files uisng mysql do you guys add using sql by hand or is there any automated scripts there to add |
| 16:40.52 | john_doe | valdyn: apt tells me |
| 16:40.59 | diafic | 5.03-2 |
| 16:41.09 | valdyn | john_doe: i know, its stupid |
| 16:41.25 | valdyn | john_doe: repeat the ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/sound/usb/snd-usb-audio.ko |
| 16:41.39 | \amethyst | diafic: and you don't have the /usr/lib/xscreensaver/ directory? |
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| 16:42.04 | diafic | wtf |
| 16:42.09 | diafic | it just appeared. |
| 16:42.18 | diafic | Oh I see |
| 16:42.33 | diafic | I can't *see* it because I was trying to run it on a remote SSH connection |
| 16:42.34 | diafic | fark |
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| 16:42.47 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 16:42.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 16:43.09 | \amethyst | valdyn: I think e meant e was looking for the program on the wrong machine |
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| 16:43.15 | john_doe | valdyn: now it's there |
| 16:43.29 | valdyn | john_doe: modprobe snd-usb-audio |
| 16:43.30 | john_doe | however I don't get any sound. |
| 16:43.30 | diafic | \amethyst, matthew@hornet:~$ /usr/lib/xscreensaver/atlantis -root |
| 16:43.36 | diafic | And NOTHING is happening |
| 16:44.36 | john_doe | valdyn: already did |
| 16:44.36 | diafic | valdyn, it was a case of the wrong window. |
| 16:44.36 | \amethyst | diafic: do you have nautilus running (for icons on your desktop)? |
| 16:44.36 | zinx | diafic: you probably have nautilus or something |
| 16:44.36 | diafic | Not a lack of x forwarding |
| 16:44.36 | nescius | ...i wonder if you can help me... i am looking for any "standard" patch of backup directory, it there is anything like that, well i mean like /var/backup or something.. |
| 16:44.36 | john_doe | valdyn: and it's in /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:44.36 | diafic | \amethyst, yes |
| 16:44.36 | \amethyst | diafic: that's in front of the screensaver :) |
| 16:44.36 | zinx | diafic: it draws over the real root window, so it's drawn over the screensaver |
| 16:44.37 | diafic | I wasn't aware I had to stop nautilus |
| 16:44.37 | cahoot | john_doe, invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 still gives error? |
| 16:44.37 | john_doe | valdyn: you don't think I should try a reboot? |
| 16:44.37 | diafic | Oh, OK. How do I remove it? |
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| 16:44.37 | john_doe | cahoot: no |
| 16:44.37 | cahoot | john_doe, then test basic alsa using aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 16:44.49 | valdyn | john_doe: its not strictly necessary, its a good way to ensure your systems state is easy to support by us though |
| 16:44.54 | Airbottle | hey, if i type gedit ~/.rtorrent.rc what is the path then? |
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| 16:45.13 | valdyn | Airbottle: how would we know? |
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| 16:45.35 | valdyn | Airbottle: ~/ is _your_ home directory, we don't know what it is. |
| 16:45.35 | Airbottle | what means this sign then ~? |
| 16:45.40 | Airbottle | ah ok |
| 16:45.42 | Airbottle | i get it |
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| 16:46.50 | diafic | Airbottle, it means "home" |
| 16:46.51 | diafic | it will always point to /home/youruser/ |
| 16:46.51 | john_doe | cahoot: I get cannot find card 'UA25' and then lot's of other errors |
| 16:46.51 | diafic | ~/foo -> /home/yourname/foo |
| 16:46.51 | Airbottle | thank you! |
| 16:46.51 | diafic | :) |
| 16:46.51 | john_doe | ok, I'll try a reboot and I'll be back |
| 16:46.51 | Airbottle | (yeah i'm a noob i know :)) |
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| 16:46.52 | pepe | jep |
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| 16:46.52 | diafic | Join the club :P |
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| 16:46.54 | NooB | Airbottle-> Me too :p |
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| 16:46.59 | wishie | i am a frequent user of #alsa.. and we often get questions about updating ALSA to a newer version in debian. i know there is the alsa-source package, which contains the updated drivers.. but how can i do about installing an up-to-date alsa-libs and alsa-utils, without upsetting apt/dpkg ? |
| 16:47.01 | cahoot | john_doe, /proc/asound/cards contains only one card? |
| 16:47.08 | john_doe | cahoot: yes |
| 16:47.23 | \amethyst | diafic: gconftool-2 --type boolean --set /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false |
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| 16:47.38 | ma3x | can I watch sky sports online? |
| 16:47.41 | john_doe | ill be back |
| 16:47.41 | diafic | WHOOOOOOOOOOA |
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| 16:47.46 | diafic | \amethyst, whoaaaa |
| 16:47.49 | StylusEater_Work | hi |
| 16:47.52 | diafic | Holy cow |
| 16:47.53 | De_Mon | I'm trying to use 'dialog' mode for debconf, but insetad of getting pretty ascii lines I've got a's with carots over em. I think its tied to my locale setting, but not sure how to fix it. |
| 16:48.03 | doublehp | for exim, what's the difference between a Relay and a smarthost ? |
| 16:48.05 | \amethyst | diafic: it's like the Gnome equivalent of the Windows registry |
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| 16:49.22 | diafic | I know about gconf, but whoa, dolphins |
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| 16:51.21 | \amethyst | diafic: heh |
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| 16:51.21 | kenji | guys how can I change de clock and the zone of my debian system? |
| 16:51.21 | diafic | click it |
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| 16:51.21 | diafic | right click |
| 16:51.21 | De_Mon | hrm, nevermind... logging out and back in fixed it. gonna have to restart screen :( |
| 16:51.22 | wols_ | !timezone |
| 16:51.22 | dpkg | i guess timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig, or or tzselect after etch |
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| 16:51.22 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 16:51.22 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 16:51.22 | NooB | What's the default chmod for a /home/user ? |
| 16:51.22 | kenji | wols_ my /etc/localtime is not a symbolic links |
| 16:51.23 | apk | I have "DisplaySize 305 228.75" in the Monitor section of my xorg.conf. But xdyinfo shows "dimensions: 1400x1050 pixels (356x267 millimeters)", which it seems to be getting by using 100dpi, which I don't think I told it. |
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| 16:52.29 | apk | How do I get it to believe my DisplaySize? |
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| 16:53.00 | wols_ | kenji: use tzselect |
| 16:53.00 | wishie | apk: perhaps it is using the monitors EDID ? |
| 16:53.02 | kenji | wols_ do I need to restart my system to set correctly the clock? |
| 16:53.06 | NooB | HELp! |
| 16:53.07 | NooB | What's the default chmod for a /home/user ? |
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| 16:53.18 | kenji | NooB what ever you want |
| 16:53.20 | apk | NooB: 755 |
| 16:53.22 | wols_ | NooB: 755 or 700 depending what you want |
| 16:53.25 | NooB | thx apk |
| 16:53.28 | kenji | NooB I use 700 |
| 16:53.35 | De_Mon | NooB there isn't a default, its either 700 or 755 |
| 16:53.38 | apk | NooB: Do you want world readable home directories? |
| 16:54.14 | De_Mon | kenji no, you shouldn't even have to logout |
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| 16:54.28 | kenji | how can I set my debian system to spanish? |
| 16:56.22 | wols_ | kenji: check if there is a user-es. |
| 16:56.22 | wols_ | also: /msg dpkg locales |
| 16:56.23 | loopdee | im using skype and when i open it it used to put an icon in the panel by the time, i accidentaly removed it and am wondering how to get it back |
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| 16:56.23 | john_doe | now my cards appear in /proc/asound/cards. I just can't use them... |
| 16:56.23 | diafic | matthew@hornet:~$ /usr/lib/xscreensaver/flag -root -text "uname -r" |
| 16:56.23 | diafic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:56.52 | apk | What would the EDID size look like in Xorg.log? |
| 16:56.54 | john_doe | if I run aplay -l, I get "aplay: device_list:222: no soundcards found..." |
| 16:57.02 | loopdee | Notification Area :) |
| 16:57.21 | kenji | whats the difference betwen tzelect and tzconfig? |
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| 16:58.55 | wols_ | kenji: debian version |
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| 17:00.31 | kenji | wols_ debian version of what ¬¬ |
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| 17:00.49 | kenji | wols_ whats for tzselect and whats for tzconfig ... they do the same think |
| 17:00.54 | john_doe | got it!!! |
| 17:00.58 | wols_ | simply debian version. etch only has tzselect, sarge only tzconfig |
| 17:01.10 | wols_ | so depending on your debian version you use the provided tool |
| 17:01.37 | john_doe | the last part was just a permission problem. That I shouldn't bother you with. Thank you so much for helping me out with the kernel issue! |
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| 17:02.32 | john_doe | wols_: valdyn: that goes to the two of you. Thanks again! |
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| 17:03.32 | SRabbelier | Heya, I received a bunch of .frm, .MYD and .MYI files (and one db.opt) from my university that I need to use for an assignment. Could someone point me in the right direction to install them? |
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| 17:04.10 | evilgeek | i've never heard of those. do you have any clue what these files are supposed to be? |
| 17:04.22 | SRabbelier | evilgeek: they seem to represent tables in the MySQL database |
| 17:04.25 | aarcane | Hi, I have a PCMCIA network card attatched to a laptop. do I need to have the pcmcia and pcmciautils init scripts running to use this card if I never intend to hotplug it, or can I just leave the card in full time and disable those two |
| 17:04.35 | jelly-home | SRabbelier: sounds like mysql |
| 17:04.42 | evilgeek | oh, that makes sense. |
| 17:05.14 | zinx | aarcane: i believe cardmgr is required to enable the pcmcia/cardbus bus |
| 17:05.28 | aarcane | zinx, damn, thank you. |
| 17:05.40 | zinx | aarcane: is there any particular reason you want to not use them? |
| 17:05.51 | aarcane | also, I have a plethora of init scripts in /etc/init.d/ which are from un-installed packages. |
| 17:05.52 | jelly-home | SRabbelier: ummm... create database foo, stop mysql server, put your files in /var/lib/mysql/foo , start mysql server and hpe for the best? |
| 17:06.08 | aarcane | zinx, I want to have as little running as possible in the hypervisor/dom0 |
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| 17:06.19 | SRabbelier | jelly-home sounds like a unfailable plan! |
| 17:06.34 | SRabbelier | ^__^ brb |
| 17:06.35 | jelly-home | SRabbelier: I don't know what's db.opt, though |
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| 17:07.12 | SRabbelier | all it contains is "default-character-set=latin1" and "default-collation=latin1_swedish_ci" |
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| 17:07.47 | jelly-home | SRabbelier: I guess it would be best to ask in #mysql if it exists |
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| 17:08.14 | SRabbelier | jelly-home good one... I seem to have forgotten the password to my local mysql database.. >.< |
| 17:08.21 | SRabbelier | jelly-home is this resettable somehow? ^_^ |
| 17:08.39 | pepe | yes. use google. |
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| 17:09.22 | kitche | first link if you looked it up correctly |
| 17:09.22 | jelly-home | "forgot mysql root password" |
| 17:09.22 | SRabbelier | hehe, thanks :D |
| 17:09.22 | kitche | mor like resetting mysql root password is what I use |
| 17:09.31 | jelly-home | SRabbelier: mysql has good docs |
| 17:09.49 | SRabbelier | got it, thanks :) |
| 17:10.04 | SRabbelier | jelly-home, good = extensive, not neccesarily easily-searchable :P |
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| 17:10.33 | jelly-home | !forgot mysql root password |
| 17:10.33 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 17:10.33 | jelly-home | there! |
| 17:10.33 | SRabbelier | jelly-home, lol |
| 17:10.36 | SRabbelier | brilliant ^__^ |
| 17:10.37 | SRabbelier | thanks! |
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| 17:10.40 | jelly-home | !botsnack |
| 17:10.40 | dpkg | thanks, jelly-home |
| 17:10.47 | SRabbelier | lol! :P |
| 17:10.48 | SRabbelier | /afk |
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| 17:11.09 | aarcane | grr |
| 17:11.17 | aarcane | I hate newer hardware sometimes. |
| 17:11.21 | aarcane | anyway.. |
| 17:13.19 | aarcane | I'm trying to configure as few apps as possible to run in the xen hypervisor, dom0 |
| 17:13.20 | Laser | a module doesn't unload :) |
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| 17:13.20 | t31 | hi guys |
| 17:13.20 | Laser | tried with rmmod -f and i can't kill the process after 5 minutes of unloading |
| 17:13.20 | Laser | what's wrong? |
| 17:13.20 | kenji | guys where is the mysql.sock file? |
| 17:13.20 | t31 | I've being googin and googling |
| 17:13.20 | dvs | Laser: tried "modprobe -r" ? |
| 17:13.20 | t31 | any nice way to know if any process is on swap memory? |
| 17:13.20 | jelly-home | Laser: not all modules can be unloaded. |
| 17:13.20 | Laser | this one usually can |
| 17:13.20 | Laser | but sometimes doesn't |
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| 17:13.21 | Laser | it's my quickcam web module |
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| 17:13.32 | K0brik | good question t31 |
| 17:13.48 | jelly-home | t31: "any"? |
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| 17:13.53 | t31 | I've found everything about swap |
| 17:14.20 | t31 | but nothing about how to know exactly if a process is there or not |
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| 17:14.26 | spx2 | ok uhm |
| 17:14.45 | spx2 | when I run rar (from contrib non-free) I get |
| 17:14.59 | t31 | ok jelly-home "some" :) |
| 17:15.10 | spx2 | /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by rar) |
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| 17:15.15 | spx2 | what do I do ? |
| 17:15.23 | K0brik | t31: maybe you can allocate a piece of physical ram |
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| 17:15.44 | t31 | my problem is with squid |
| 17:15.46 | spx2 | K0brik: hi.please tell the people in #perl to unban me |
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| 17:15.52 | t31 | is actually huge |
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| 17:16.06 | microtux | abrotman, zinx still here?? |
| 17:16.16 | t31 | but is now working fine |
| 17:16.55 | K0brik | spx2: use an anon route and ask the yourself |
| 17:17.34 | spx2 | K0brik: how do I use an anon route ? |
| 17:17.50 | \amethyst | spx2: what version of rar is this, and which debian version? |
| 17:18.17 | spx2 | \amethyst: Linux debian 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Thu Aug 30 02:19:07 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:18.18 | K0brik | spx2: use sacred::chao; or something. I don't remember how I did it in those times |
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| 17:18.37 | microtux | how can i change access permissions for /dev/parport (for example) |
| 17:18.44 | K0brik | spx2: with ip-tables I guess |
| 17:19.05 | microtux | /dev/parport0 /dev/parport |
| 17:19.14 | spx2 | microtux: chmod 777 /dev/parport |
| 17:19.23 | microtux | /dev/parport0 /dev/parport1 have same permissions when i do ls -l |
| 17:19.31 | \amethyst | spx2: not which version of Linux, which version of debian |
| 17:19.42 | spx2 | \amethyst: etch |
| 17:19.42 | microtux | i can access parport0, not parport1 |
| 17:19.42 | \amethyst | spx2: cat /etc/debian-version |
| 17:19.55 | microtux | abrotman, zinx still here?? |
| 17:19.57 | spx2 | \amethyst: 4.0 |
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| 17:21.56 | \amethyst | spx2: and dpkg -l rar says? |
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| 17:21.57 | \amethyst | spx2: about the version, that is |
| 17:21.57 | spx2 | \amethyst: seems sudo aptitude install rar-2.80 worked for me . |
| 17:21.57 | wols_ | microtux: do you have two physical parallel ports on the box? |
| 17:22.05 | \amethyst | spx2: rar-2.80 ? |
| 17:22.12 | spx2 | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 17:22.14 | spx2 | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 17:22.14 | spx2 | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 17:22.14 | spx2 | ||/ Name Version Description |
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| 17:22.26 | spx2 | sorry |
| 17:22.29 | \amethyst | spx2: the last line only |
| 17:22.32 | spx2 | \amethyst: sorry for pasting ... |
| 17:22.38 | microtux | wols_, yes |
| 17:22.54 | spx2 | a |
| 17:22.58 | spx2 | \amethyst: well ... solved it anyway thx |
| 17:23.00 | dvs | spx2: but there is no last line |
| 17:23.02 | K0brik | spx2: you can also ssh to another host and connect through that |
| 17:23.41 | spx2 | K0brik: do you have another host for me to ssh to ? |
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| 17:23.42 | \amethyst | spx2: I don't know where this rar-2.80 comes from though |
| 17:23.42 | \amethyst | spx2: it's not in debian |
| 17:23.50 | K0brik | spx2: I guess you'll get me banned |
| 17:24.06 | spx2 | K0brik: I'm wsdo_okadr from work.I guess you know me ... |
| 17:24.11 | wols_ | microtux: check dmesg if both are recognized |
| 17:24.23 | K0brik | spx2: can I borrow your VISA? |
| 17:24.27 | spx2 | K0brik: I was a troll in the past,but I've got a job now. |
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| 17:24.36 | jelly-home | hah |
| 17:24.38 | \amethyst | spx2: ah, I guess it's from debian-multimedia maybe |
| 17:24.39 | wols_ | spx2: dpkg -l rar | tail -1 |
| 17:24.41 | spx2 | K0brik: dude .don't be ridiculous . |
| 17:25.00 | spx2 | un rar <none> (no description available) |
| 17:25.03 | K0brik | spx2: then you can borrow mine heh |
| 17:25.19 | spx2 | K0brik: but I can give you acces to other things ... |
| 17:25.27 | K0brik | spx2: j/k n/m |
| 17:25.27 | jelly-home | wols_: ISTR a package called "rar-2.80" too |
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| 17:25.41 | spx2 | K0brik: dude , I need to get into #perl |
| 17:25.47 | spx2 | K0brik: give me a solution |
| 17:25.59 | K0brik | use a public proxy |
| 17:26.15 | spx2 | K0brik: dude , do you know how much time that's going to waste me ? |
| 17:26.18 | jelly-home | spx2: ask the admins politely to unban? |
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| 17:26.27 | K0brik | spx2: make a crawler |
| 17:26.34 | spx2 | K0brik: dude , get real |
| 17:26.49 | spx2 | jelly-home: I've tried in the past. |
| 17:26.50 | K0brik | spx2: I know |
| 17:26.55 | spx2 | jelly-home: doesn't work |
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| 17:27.10 | \amethyst | spx2: If the admins won't unban you at your request, why would they listen to K0brik? |
| 17:27.11 | spx2 | K0brik: ok dude , what do I do ? |
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| 17:27.28 | jelly-home | spx2: well then, don't go there if you're not welcome. It's not an issue for this channel anyway. |
| 17:27.28 | spx2 | \amethyst: I'm just trying to get access back there ... |
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| 17:27.38 | \amethyst | also, trying to evade the ban isn't likely to improve the situation |
| 17:28.01 | K0brik | \amethyst: because they aren't deaf |
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| 17:28.17 | spx2 | \amethyst: at work I have access from another nickname(altough everybody knows its me anyway) |
| 17:28.33 | \amethyst | spx2: can't connect to work from home? |
| 17:28.56 | spx2 | \amethyst: no.I'm not allowed to keep my work pc awake |
| 17:30.14 | K0brik | spx2: ask on another channel |
| 17:30.32 | spx2 | K0brik: dude you want to help or not ? |
| 17:30.55 | apk | If I run /usr/bin/X, it gets the resolution right, but using startx does not. Does Debian do something by default that forces 100x100 dpi? |
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| 17:31.04 | K0brik | should I tell them I can't live without you spx2 ? |
| 17:31.17 | spx2 | K0brik: yes yes !!! :)) |
| 17:31.23 | K0brik | sorry man |
| 17:31.29 | K0brik | get anon |
| 17:31.30 | jelly-home | spx2: there's a whole lot of cheap shell accounts available, you can use any of those if you really want to. |
| 17:31.37 | spx2 | K0brik: how ? |
| 17:31.38 | \amethyst | apk: when you run startx, what session is it using? gnome or kde by any chance? |
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| 17:31.47 | K0brik | spx2: you will know |
| 17:31.57 | spx2 | jelly-home: dude , I barely have money to live from a day to the other |
| 17:32.09 | apk | \amethyst: Even if my .xinitrc just launches xterm, the dpi is wrong. (I'm using e17, but have the same problem regardless of wm) |
| 17:32.21 | spx2 | K0brik: wtf are you talking about ? |
| 17:32.29 | spx2 | K0brik: dude , how do I get anon ? |
| 17:32.31 | K0brik | just some basic facts |
| 17:32.40 | spx2 | wtf ? |
| 17:32.49 | spx2 | K0brik: dude are you gonna tell me how to get anon or not ? |
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| 17:33.02 | jelly-home | spx2: it just means it's not worth even a single digit US$ for you to get there. |
| 17:33.03 | K0brik | spx2: waste my spoof |
| 17:33.07 | \amethyst | apk: is gnome-settings-daemon running? |
| 17:33.28 | K0brik | spx2: I bet you can do it on you own |
| 17:33.45 | spx2 | K0brik: dude would I be asking you if I knew ? |
| 17:33.51 | arron | is there a package for clamav and procmail? i dont see any clamassassin, or other procmail/clam package |
| 17:33.52 | apk | \amethyst: No. |
| 17:34.26 | K0brik | spx2: should I crawl for you? |
| 17:34.28 | \amethyst | apk: aha... /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 17:34.55 | spx2 | K0brik: dude , have you at least tried telling them I would like to be unbanned ? |
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| 17:35.08 | spx2 | K0brik: sitting here talking about crawling and visa cards doesnt get me nowhere |
| 17:35.16 | K0brik | spx2: ask one of the little ops |
| 17:35.18 | HN5 | ahh |
| 17:35.20 | apk | \amethyst: Does it do that by default? Or did I change it and forget about it? |
| 17:35.23 | HN5 | the good old ban |
| 17:35.29 | spx2 | K0brik: remember I've helped you on #perl several times |
| 17:35.35 | \amethyst | apk: -dpi 100 is there by default I think |
| 17:35.40 | K0brik | spx2: not really |
| 17:35.46 | \amethyst | apk: you can override it in ~/.xserverrc or change the one in /etc |
| 17:35.54 | spx2 | K0brik: check the backlogs |
| 17:36.03 | apk | \amethyst: Why on earth would they default to 100?! |
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| 17:36.17 | K0brik | you are silly spx2 |
| 17:36.19 | HN5 | lol |
| 17:36.20 | HN5 | this makes a good read spx |
| 17:36.39 | spx2 | :( |
| 17:36.42 | keyboarder | hi, how can i install some packages with unmet dependencies? |
| 17:36.48 | HN5 | who banned you? |
| 17:36.49 | spx2 | fuck I'll never get into #perl |
| 17:37.12 | spx2 | with people like K0brik around ... |
| 17:37.16 | K0brik | they want you to read the manual spx2 |
| 17:37.35 | dvs | keyboarder: Probably with a --force option but I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 17:37.35 | spx2 | K0brik: n00b listen here ... stfu with the manual okay ? you haven't read a page of it |
| 17:37.38 | \amethyst | apk: possibly because some (usually older) programs get confused and ugly with any other DPI setting |
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| 17:37.56 | K0brik | spx2: fine |
| 17:37.56 | \amethyst | apk: e.g. using pixels for some measurements, points for others |
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| 17:38.05 | \amethyst | apk: I'm not sure though |
| 17:38.08 | efface | im having problems getting my audigy to work...first and for most....modprobe says emu101k cant be found, anyone got some info on this prob? |
| 17:38.23 | keyboarder | well i still want to force it, but what option? :S |
| 17:38.26 | jelly-home | \amethyst: I don't remember having a forced dpi since maybe sarge...? |
| 17:38.40 | dvs | efface: the module is called "emu10k1" |
| 17:38.48 | efface | doh |
| 17:38.49 | efface | haha |
| 17:39.17 | jelly-home | spx2: can you please take it elsewhere? |
| 17:39.17 | HN5 | or use alsaconf |
| 17:39.17 | efface | dvs: that wasnt found either :( |
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| 17:39.26 | HN5 | and hit return alot |
| 17:39.27 | dvs | efface: what kernel do you have? "uname -r" |
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| 17:39.40 | efface | 2.6.22 |
| 17:39.58 | dvs | efface: What version of debian are you running? |
| 17:40.03 | smacnay1 | Anyone know if there is a way around the digikam/kipi-plugins incompatibility currently in Deb testing? Or is it a wait-and-see issue? |
| 17:41.01 | keyboarder | well, now anybody knows how to get unmet dependencies ignored, and install some packages? |
| 17:41.01 | efface | lspci lists my audigy card so its being found |
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| 17:41.01 | spx2 | fuck(' K0brik ')->in_ass for(1..eternity); |
| 17:41.01 | K0brik | to hell with that spx2 |
| 17:41.46 | \amethyst | jelly-home: xbase-clients 7.2.ds2-2 shows -dpi 100 in the default xserverrc |
| 17:42.05 | jelly-home | \amethyst: gross. |
| 17:42.08 | \amethyst | jelly-home: which I think only matters for startx and xinit, not display managers |
| 17:42.15 | spx2 | \amethyst , jelly-home can you help me please regarding #perl ? |
| 17:42.28 | jelly-home | \amethyst: ah, that's why I don't see it any more! |
| 17:42.56 | K0brik | spx2: I think you're a little bitch |
| 17:43.03 | HN5 | ... |
| 17:43.05 | jelly-home | spx2: I don't know you and can't vouch for you. Ask the ops. |
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| 17:43.35 | \amethyst | spx2: if the ops won't listen to you, then I'm not about to tell them to do so |
| 17:43.39 | HN5 | hpw the hell is this possible, i thought this channel would be different |
| 17:44.32 | apk | My resolution is 1400x1050. My screen size is 12"/9". My resolution is 116x116 (according to xdpyinfo). If I open a 1"x1" image in Gimp at 100%, why is it 2.5"x2.5" on my screen? |
| 17:44.54 | efface | ok i found the module in the kernel folder, modprobe loaded it find but alsamixer says function snd_ctl_open failed for default: no such device |
| 17:45.06 | jelly-home | \amethyst: it's somewhat confusing, but knowing each ?dm has its own configuration, not surprising. |
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| 17:45.20 | jelly-home | apk: at 100%? |
| 17:45.24 | cahoot | efface, you are member of audio group? |
| 17:45.31 | spx2 | \amethyst: so basically what should I do ? |
| 17:45.39 | HN5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.51 | jelly-home | apk: ah, you said so. what's the dpi of the image? |
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| 17:46.12 | efface | yea alsaconf wont launch, but it says i have the latest alsa-utils installed |
| 17:46.16 | jelly-home | apk: it could be that gimp shows 100% pixel-per-pixel size. |
| 17:48.06 | zinx | gimp does indeed use per-pixel percentages as zoom numbers |
| 17:48.06 | \amethyst | apk: Gimp seems to want to use 72 ppi |
| 17:48.06 | efface | im reading a thread right now that alsaconf is/was planend for removel |
| 17:48.06 | efface | what did they put in its place? |
| 17:48.07 | apk | jelly-home: You are correct. If I make the image 116x116 res, it shows up properly. |
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| 17:48.32 | diafic | be back soon |
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| 17:48.51 | \amethyst | apk: you can set the default PPI for new images |
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| 17:49.02 | bk | Hi! I need help upgrading an old debian lenny install |
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| 17:49.54 | bk | its a server running a old an un-updated version of lenny and it seems to be pretty fucked up. but ive been todl to update, not reinstall. |
| 17:50.06 | bk | since there is too much data on it ,they want to have it updated |
| 17:50.10 | HN5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.19 | zinx | bk: use aptitude |
| 17:50.29 | HN5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.33 | lgc | Hi. ¿What (free)software do I need to read Microcal Origin's files? Thanks. |
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| 17:50.52 | bk | zinx and HN5 ive never used debian before. my experience lies in ubuntu and gentoo |
| 17:51.07 | Eulex | !upgrade |
| 17:51.07 | dpkg | [upgrade] what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security', or if you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first |
| 17:51.09 | bk | the /etc/apt7/sources.list doesnt seem to work any more... |
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| 17:51.13 | zinx | bk: use aptitude |
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| 17:51.18 | zinx | bk: o_O |
| 17:51.21 | HN5 | bk: np, I was not talking to you ^_^ |
| 17:51.27 | zinx | bk: did you change it? i don't think the sources for lenny have changed |
| 17:51.32 | bk | HN5: sorry :) |
| 17:51.34 | jelly-home | bk: how does it "not work"? |
| 17:52.04 | bk | weird.. works now. yesterday it didnt find anythign to download |
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| 17:52.11 | bk | zinx: |
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| 17:52.24 | jelly-home | bk: you're welcome :-> |
| 17:52.29 | apk | I finally got my resolution and dpi set properly. Now all my application fonts are huge. |
| 17:52.41 | sybec | I'm trying to get a 1280x800 resolution on my console (debian sid). my video card is ati radeon mobility x1400. passing vga=871 to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst gives me: You passed an undefined mode number. - any suggestions on how I could get the resolution working? |
| 17:52.41 | bk | jelly-home: hehe |
| 17:52.58 | bk | jelly-home: can use some easy feature to upgrade the whole system in aptitude? |
| 17:53.01 | apk | Let me guess - I have to set them separately for qt apps, gtk apps, and firefox. |
| 17:53.07 | jelly-home | apk: yeah, that's the sad state of X apps, they assume dpi 100. |
| 17:53.24 | jelly-home | apk: I _think_ only gtk and qt. :-) |
| 17:53.32 | apk | jelly-home: If I had a billion dollars, I would fund a replacement for X. |
| 17:53.46 | Sebboh | I want to use ssh:host links from my browser. I know that no standard has been established for ssh:// links, however.. I could do a simple implementation just for me, right? How might I do that? |
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| 17:54.30 | petemc | Sebboh: sftp:// works in konqueror or nautilus |
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| 17:54.45 | apk | zinx: What exactly is a point? |
| 17:54.48 | Sebboh | petemc, ssh. Secure shell, as in, terminal. |
| 17:54.51 | jelly-home | bk: run it. do an update (press u) . do an upgrade (press g) |
| 17:54.56 | zinx | apk: 1/72" |
| 17:55.00 | sybec | Sebboh: what exatly is supposed to happen when you click on said ssh:// link? |
| 17:55.04 | bk | what the differecen between upgrdde and update jelly-home ? |
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| 17:55.24 | apk | zinx: So really, my fonts are now showing _correctly_? |
| 17:55.26 | Sebboh | sybec, a terminal opens up and tries to ssh to host. |
| 17:55.28 | HN5 | bk , apt-get update |
| 17:55.32 | petemc | Sebboh: theres mindterm, which is a java ssh client you run in a browser |
| 17:55.34 | jelly-home | bk: update refers just to refreshing mirror content indexes. |
| 17:55.35 | psyche_ | geo-rge , dunno what was wrong but it works now :P |
| 17:55.38 | zinx | apk: Correct. |
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| 17:55.52 | bk | jelly-home: aah.. and then upgrade updates the whoel shabang? |
| 17:55.55 | Sebboh | petemc we are really not communicating on the same wavelength here. =) |
| 17:55.58 | jelly-home | bk: yes. |
| 17:55.59 | sybec | Sebboh: so you want this to happen only on *your* computer |
| 17:56.04 | zinx | apk: but many people expect the fonts to be smaller as you increase resolution (even though they are specified as size), so most distros force a specific DPI. |
| 17:56.05 | bk | thanks a bunch |
| 17:56.06 | Sebboh | sybec, exactly. |
| 17:56.15 | sybec | Sebboh: what browser and terminal are you using |
| 17:56.19 | petemc | Sebboh: right, enjoy your little fantasy |
| 17:56.25 | Sebboh | sybec, firefox and konsole |
| 17:56.55 | apk | zinx: But doesn't that screw up everybody's viewing of documents to be printed? |
| 17:57.12 | sybec | I'd ask #firefox or something then |
| 17:57.20 | zinx | apk: most people don't even notice things on their monitor are a different size from what they print |
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| 17:57.24 | bk | I just get a huge list of untrusted packages when i press G |
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| 17:57.51 | geo-rge | psyche_: hmm? oh, well that's good... |
| 17:57.52 | apk | zinx: I didn't until I this morning when I held something that I just printed up to my monitor. |
| 17:57.56 | zinx | apk: and i think the document manipulation stuff allows you to change your viewing scale anyway |
| 17:58.06 | jelly-home | zinx: that's only those that don't care about what they're printing anyway |
| 17:58.09 | Sebboh | See the idea is, petemc, I want to keep an html document on my desktop, and it contains a list of ssh servers in my network, a list of links.. then I can click any of these and it opens a terminal and tries to connect to that host. See.. Just a shortcut for what I would normally do manually. |
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| 17:58.15 | zinx | jelly-home: yes, well, that's most :) |
| 17:58.38 | jelly-home | zinx: personally I prefer as close to wysiwyg as possible |
| 17:58.44 | bk | GPG Error: ftp://Ftp.is.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures douldn't be verefied becuase the public key is not avablieble: NO_PUBKEY A700DAF536070D3A1 |
| 17:58.51 | psyche_ | geo-rge you asked me to tell you what was wrong if i get my system together |
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| 17:59.04 | bk | whats all that about |
| 17:59.21 | Eulex | !apt-key |
| 17:59.33 | bk | !apt-key |
| 17:59.34 | keyboarder | can anyone help me with a debian based cluster? |
| 17:59.36 | psyche_ | still i have new problem... dual screen system? |
| 17:59.41 | Eulex | bk, oh, and weren't you running lenny? |
| 17:59.47 | psyche_ | how i set it up? |
| 17:59.51 | bk | Eulex: some old an unupdated version of it |
| 17:59.54 | sybec | Sebboh: I'd just write a script which ssh's to it's own file name, open those in konqueror or something |
| 18:00.52 | psyche_ | i dont know a shit about configuring X |
| 18:00.52 | geo-rge | oh, ok :) that part I dunno |
| 18:00.52 | jelly-home | zinx: and it works quite well in X if the dpi settings are set up correctly. sure some apps look broken, but you can lay a printer paper on the LCD and it matches what's on the screen |
| 18:00.52 | Eulex | bk, and you want to upgrade to unstable? |
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| 18:00.53 | bk | im a sysadmin and ive just stared here.. this box has been running for a while without enver being updated, nobody else here knows how to handle linux |
| 18:00.53 | geo-rge | no time like now to learn |
| 18:00.53 | zinx | jelly-home: heh, i've not run in to any myself, but i stick with gtk apps mostly |
| 18:00.53 | bk | Eulex: i would have liked to wipe it and reinstall a stable verion, but ive bene otld to upgrade |
| 18:00.55 | bk | Eulex: so i guess i jsut want to update it to ahve it (sort of) up to date |
| 18:01.03 | Eulex | bk, I'd really suggest to still run testing/lenny, especially on a server. |
| 18:01.09 | HN5 | bk: im a sysadmin and ive just stared here.. this box has been running for a while without enver being updated, nobody else here knows how to handle linux |
| 18:01.09 | HN5 | that sounds so cool man |
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| 18:01.43 | bk | HN5: point is.. its just sorta been running and nobody has knows how to update it... when i came here nobody knoew the root password |
| 18:01.55 | bk | Eulex: sure. but this is odl and outdated. |
| 18:01.56 | jelly-home | it's a testament to the OS that it "just works" :-) |
| 18:02.06 | bk | jelly-home: yep |
| 18:02.15 | wols_ | bk: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1. what version? |
| 18:02.18 | apk | Are there guis for qt and gtk to change application font sizes? Or do apps choose their own? |
| 18:02.18 | jelly-home | bk: first thing to do: don't just upgrade it right now. |
| 18:02.27 | hardcampa | bk why fix something if it's not broken |
| 18:02.34 | geo-rge | bk: what version is it at now? |
| 18:02.38 | HN5 | bk: |
| 18:02.38 | HN5 | well i meant it. |
| 18:02.43 | wols_ | hardcampa: cause it most likely has remote root exploits by now |
| 18:02.46 | HN5 | It just sounds cool |
| 18:02.49 | bk | wols_: libc6 2.3.6-18 |
| 18:02.49 | hardcampa | naaah |
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| 18:03.04 | oCrypticfrtune | hmmm i seem to have done something horrible to my qt apps (running inside gnome). i set the default font to "vl gothic" for prettier japanese type, but it seems like anti-aliasing isn't working inside qt apps at all. what might be the problem? |
| 18:03.07 | jelly-home | apk: Gnome, KDE and XFCE have settings for those in their own control panels. |
| 18:03.12 | Eulex | bk, testing is 'upgraded' incrementally. you should _not_ run unstable on a server, it has no security support whatsoever. and there's no guarantee it will even work. |
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| 18:03.17 | bk | HN5: ah.. though you were saying to back off because i wasnt cool at all :) |
| 18:03.26 | apk | jelly-home: What if I use twm? |
| 18:03.30 | wols_ | !tell bk about sarge->etch |
| 18:03.34 | bk | Eulex: i know you shoulnt run unstable on a server.. the dude who installed it did not.. |
| 18:05.23 | jelly-home | apk: um... edit .gtkrc-2.0 ? :-) |
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| 18:05.24 | Eulex | wols_, 2.3.6-18 is post-etch |
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| 18:05.24 | bk | Eulex: so you are saying the testing version upgrades itself? |
| 18:05.24 | wols_ | Eulex: mea culpa |
| 18:05.25 | HN5 | bk: so how did you get the root ? |
| 18:05.25 | Eulex | bk, you said it was running lenny? lenny is testing, not unstable. |
| 18:05.25 | apk | jelly-home: oooh! I love text file configuration. (really. I'm not being sarcastic) |
| 18:05.25 | bk | HN5: edited the shadow file |
| 18:05.25 | geo-rge | bk: what version is it at now? (cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 18:05.25 | bk | Eulex: i dont know so much about the different version of debian. never used it befure |
| 18:05.25 | Eulex | bk, stuff is incrementally moved into testing from unstable when it's ready. that said, you still need issue the updates yourself. |
| 18:05.25 | HN5 | bk: well, that worx |
| 18:05.25 | jelly-home | apk: yeah I love it too but not for changing frickin font size and widget colors :-| |
| 18:05.25 | bk | (17:53:10)root@mysql[/home/bk] # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:05.25 | bk | testing/unstable |
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| 18:05.25 | bk | HN5: the apache server is fucked |
| 18:05.26 | geo-rge | that doesn't say much |
| 18:05.26 | Blwood | is there a package in debian to handle ical files ? |
| 18:05.26 | zinx | geo-rge: it does.. newer testing/unstable shows "lenny/sid" |
| 18:05.31 | SoulChild | is there a howto that describes the basic thinks that i need to activate in menuconfig before i compile a kernel ? |
| 18:05.39 | bk | zinx: i said it was old |
| 18:05.46 | geo-rge | ahh, so he could update to etch |
| 18:05.47 | apk | jelly-home: Is there some package that will give me gtk-change-font-size or something? |
| 18:05.58 | bk | what i want to do is to update this system to be up to date |
| 18:06.20 | jelly-home | apk: I don't really know, I've resigned to using xfce. |
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| 18:06.43 | bk | my question is, how do i do that ? :) |
| 18:07.00 | K0brik | apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:07.06 | HN5 | bk: ppl!! apt-get update |
| 18:07.12 | bk | K0brik: somebody told me i should not do that |
| 18:07.16 | bk | irc is confusing |
| 18:07.19 | Eulex | bk, change your sources.list to say testing instead of unstable (you don't want unstable), aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:07.21 | geo-rge | bk: first you warn your bosses that there will be time spent after the upgrade to fix problems as they come up |
| 18:07.32 | jelly-home | apk: xfce developers basically said GTK+ is so complex there's no way to make a complete control panel, ... but they do have a way to change font and size. |
| 18:07.36 | wols_ | bk: cause you shouldn't run testing on a server, especially when you have to ask how to admin it |
| 18:07.40 | bk | Eulex: mind some PM, this whole irc thing confuses me? |
| 18:07.40 | Pons | guys, how can I uninstall a package that is failling on the pre-remove process? |
| 18:07.42 | geo-rge | and moreorless to get used to how it will change |
| 18:07.59 | geo-rge | other than that... |
| 18:08.00 | HN5 | bk |
| 18:08.01 | K0brik | bk: not if you doesn't trust your repositories |
| 18:08.07 | Eulex | bk, yes I do, keep discussion in the channel please. |
| 18:08.14 | HN5 | bk i dont know much but i do know apt-get update |
| 18:08.22 | bk | for gods sake. this is the first time i use debian. my expreince lies with outher distros |
| 18:08.22 | geo-rge | you edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:08.35 | jelly-home | Eulex: maybe even "lenny" instead of testing on a server |
| 18:08.56 | Pons | i need to reinstall the whole python thing, but it's giving a bunch of problems.. i can't uninstall it nor install it (because of broken packages and missing some modules from python), so i just don't know what to do.. |
| 18:08.57 | Eulex | jelly-home, indeed, that way he will end up at lenny when it goes stable. |
| 18:09.07 | geo-rge | bk: I mean, you know the other part: things WILL change |
| 18:09.24 | bk | ill skip the upgrading and go straight to fixing apache |
| 18:09.35 | HN5 | haha |
| 18:09.39 | geo-rge | Eulex: this is a -server- for his -work- |
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| 18:09.47 | geo-rge | let's not get him -fired- |
| 18:09.54 | bk | HN5: it works this way.. |
| 18:10.12 | Eulex | geo-rge, :) |
| 18:10.15 | bk | and it has to be up running tomorrow so i cant spend weeks fixing stupid problems |
| 18:10.25 | oCrypticfrtune | anyone? i'll take any help... anyone one know what program configures freetype/anti-aliasing settings in qt/kde? |
| 18:10.44 | geo-rge | bk: is iot working now? |
| 18:10.51 | HN5 | bk: well if it's down now shouldnt you just reinstall? |
| 18:11.09 | bk | HN5: it is not down. |
| 18:11.11 | Fatal | not the question anyone would suspect: Is there a full mirror of woody still floating around :) (just inherited an old libretto and don't want to break it first thing by switching releases) |
| 18:11.17 | geo-rge | HN5: that will cause things to change even more |
| 18:11.18 | bk | geo-rge: everything but apache |
| 18:11.29 | jelly-home | oCrypticfrtune: kcontrol (KDE's Control Panel) |
| 18:11.33 | bk | if i had free hands i would install ubuntu server |
| 18:11.34 | geo-rge | anyway |
| 18:11.43 | bk | ive jsut gotta do what im told to do .) |
| 18:11.46 | apk | jelly-home: Is there a gnome counterpart to kcontrol that can be run without gnome? |
| 18:11.47 | geo-rge | I'm recommending you upgrade to etch |
| 18:11.56 | \amethyst | Fatal: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/ |
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| 18:12.18 | \amethyst | Fatal: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/README for how to set up the sources.list |
| 18:12.41 | Fatal | \amethyst: much appriciated, my googling only brought me to various projects apt sources. thanks |
| 18:12.46 | oCrypticfrtune | jelly-home: thanks. i think i can run kcontrol without kde. |
| 18:13.11 | \amethyst | Fatal: I googled for debian archive woody and followed the first link :) |
| 18:13.20 | geo-rge | but you need to let your boss know, there WILL be unexpected things that WILL change, and that's the nature of upgrades |
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| 18:13.45 | K0brik | happy cooking |
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| 18:13.53 | geo-rge | other than web service, what does the box do? |
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| 18:15.01 | Fatal | \amethyst: keyword being archive, I went with snapshot, mirror, legacy and a whole lot of bad choices |
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| 18:15.08 | Fatal | \amethyst: once again, thanks |
| 18:15.42 | HN5 | and you need to tell your boss that you need to sit on your ass every morning and drink coffee untill atleast 11:00 to think of goor sysadmin scripts :p |
| 18:15.44 | jelly-home | apk: I think the xfce counterpart would be more lean (). There might be something better, but I don't know. gtk-chtheme? |
| 18:15.59 | apk | jelly-home: gnome-control-center worked. |
| 18:16.21 | oCrypticfrtune | oo, nope. can't actually. a bunch of errors about not being able to communicate with other kde parts (klauncher, kio/Ksycoca) |
| 18:16.28 | keyboarder | is there any way to only install debian sarge with the etch netinstall disk? |
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| 18:17.00 | r3mb0 | Hey I'm having a problem when trying to statrx |
| 18:17.40 | r3mb0 | ./usr/bin/X: error while loading shared libraries: libXfont.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 |
| 18:18.07 | psyche_ | make-kpkg <-- bash: command not found |
| 18:18.11 | psyche_ | what package do i need? |
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| 18:18.13 | cappicrd | you tell me ;) |
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| 18:18.32 | r3mb0 | any ideas as to what I can do there? |
| 18:18.38 | geo-rge | !kp |
| 18:18.40 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 18:18.50 | r3mb0 | I don't even know what package libXfont comes with |
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| 18:19.12 | jelly-home | apk: I just tried gtk-chtheme and it has a font chooser too. Changing the font crashed xchat :-) |
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| 18:19.20 | r3mb0 | Can anyone help me? |
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| 18:19.36 | apk | jelly-home: That is what you get for using a gui irc client. (: |
| 18:19.48 | geo-rge | probably you want initrd-tools as well, and to feed make-kpkg with --initrd |
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| 18:20.28 | jelly-home | apk: I blame the widget library! |
| 18:20.30 | Spiritus55 | I have a problem with mounting my memory card. |
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| 18:20.40 | Spiritus55 | I have been able to write to it before. |
| 18:20.49 | r4mb0 | why do I never get support here? :\ |
| 18:20.57 | Spiritus55 | But, today it started saying (when I try to add anything to it) that it's a read only FS. |
| 18:20.57 | psyche_ | make-kpkg <-- bash: command not found, what package do i need? |
| 18:20.58 | apk | jelly-home: I would have a hard time believing it is xchat's fault and not gtk's. |
| 18:21.12 | Spiritus55 | Anybody know what could be wrong with it? |
| 18:21.22 | HN5 | r4mb0: i fully support you m8 |
| 18:21.26 | Spiritus55 | I need it to mount in a r+w format. |
| 18:21.33 | Spiritus55 | Which it has been doing, up until today. |
| 18:21.37 | Spiritus55 | Just now, actually |
| 18:21.43 | jelly-home | Spiritus55: which fs? |
| 18:21.53 | r4mb0 | ./usr/bin/X: error while loading shared libraries: libXfont.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 <--when I try to startx. ANY IDEAS? |
| 18:21.54 | Spiritus55 | Jelly-home: I believe FAT32 |
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| 18:22.18 | Jabka | how can i apt-get from mentors.debian.net |
| 18:22.18 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: are there any error messages in dmesg about the partition? |
| 18:22.20 | jelly-home | r4mb0: which architecture are you on? |
| 18:22.33 | geo-rge | r4mb0: no particular reason... probably no one is awake who knows the answer... if you don't find out here, maybe you could check the archives of debian-user at http://lists.debian.org |
| 18:22.49 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: how would I do the dmesg command to get an error? |
| 18:23.04 | \amethyst | dmesg | less then search for the device name |
| 18:23.14 | \amethyst | sda or sdb or whatever |
| 18:23.20 | Spiritus55 | dmesg | less KFAT!? |
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| 18:23.33 | Spiritus55 | The name of the device is /media/KFAT1 |
| 18:23.48 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: not the mount point, but the actual device |
| 18:23.51 | geo-rge | never heard of /media |
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| 18:24.12 | jelly-home | Spiritus55: no, that's the mount point. what's on the left side of that in df output? |
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| 18:24.40 | jelly-home | Spiritus55: something like /dev/sdc1 means your device is sdc |
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| 18:24.43 | Spiritus55 | ./dev/sdc1 |
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| 18:25.01 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: so dmesg | less then type /sdc<Enter> |
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| 18:25.12 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: n to repeat the search, q to quit |
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| 18:25.37 | Spiritus55 | spiritus55@Brenda:~$ dmesg | less /dev/sdc1 |
| 18:25.39 | Spiritus55 | /dev/sdc1 is not a regular file (use -f to see it) |
| 18:25.43 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: no |
| 18:25.47 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: dmesg | less |
| 18:25.56 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: then when less has started /sdc<ENTER> |
| 18:26.04 | robewald_ | hi, where can I find pkgdetails.c? Maybe there is even a mipsel statically linked binary already somewhere? |
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| 18:26.06 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: less is a file viewer |
| 18:26.16 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: you want to use it to view the output of dmesg |
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| 18:26.39 | Spiritus55 | FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdc1) |
| 18:26.39 | Spiritus55 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.48 | Spiritus55 | That's the error I got. |
| 18:26.52 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: filesystem error |
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| 18:27.43 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: and? What do I do about that? |
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| 18:27.43 | jelly-home | Spiritus55: boot windows and check it for errors. |
| 18:27.58 | Spiritus55 | I don't have windows... |
| 18:27.59 | Spiritus55 | Just debian |
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| 18:28.05 | Spiritus55 | Should I re-format it? |
| 18:28.08 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: unmount it, install dosfstools, and (as root) fsck /dev/sdc1 |
| 18:28.21 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: you can reformat if you don't mind losing your data |
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| 18:28.30 | Spiritus55 | I have the data on my hard drive. |
| 18:28.39 | Spiritus55 | So, I could just stick it on there again, if needs be. |
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| 18:28.58 | geo-rge | probasbly needbe = yes |
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| 18:30.18 | Magui | hello, I'm a debian/testing user. aptitude has been keeping back a bunch of packages for a few weeks now. most of them are kde-related, though there are a few like cupsys, flac, dvdauthor, xmms, etc. is there a good reason why they are being kept back? or is my system screwed up? btw, I do use kde. |
| 18:30.26 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: to reformat (as root): mkdosfs -F 32 -c /dev/sdc1 |
| 18:30.39 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: the -c says to check for bad blocks |
| 18:30.49 | Magui | forgot to mention...not ALL packages are being kept back. I'm still able to update/upgrade quite a few, every week or two weeks. |
| 18:31.14 | Spiritus55 | I got dosfstools |
| 18:31.24 | Spiritus55 | fsck /dev/sdc1? |
| 18:31.33 | geo-rge | is it unmounted? |
| 18:31.42 | Spiritus55 | Should it be? |
| 18:31.51 | geo-rge | to fsck, yes |
| 18:32.00 | geo-rge | so umount /dev/sdc |
| 18:32.03 | geo-rge | err] |
| 18:32.07 | geo-rge | so umount /dev/sdc1 |
| 18:32.30 | geo-rge | (but they told you that above) |
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| 18:33.21 | psyche_ | make-kpkg <-- bash: command not found, what package do i need? |
| 18:33.28 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: i ran fsck on it, and it spit some information back at me, what next? |
| 18:33.37 | geo-rge | !kp |
| 18:33.37 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 18:34.08 | geo-rge | (but you saw this a half hour ago) |
| 18:34.17 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: did it say it found errors it couldn't recover? |
| 18:34.46 | geo-rge | Spiritus55: you read the information |
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| 18:34.56 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: nope, it just said that it was FAT32, and it was leaving the file system unchanged... |
| 18:35.10 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: it didn't detect any errors? |
| 18:35.31 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: I could give you the result it gave me (only 3 lines) |
| 18:35.42 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: sure, put it in a pastebin |
| 18:35.55 | Spiritus55 | k |
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| 18:36.48 | Sjord | I want ifdown to not release the DHCP lease, how can I configure that? |
| 18:36.51 | Spiritus55 | http://pastebin.com/m767cd6a0 |
| 18:36.58 | Spiritus55 | There is what I got, \amethyst |
| 18:37.54 | Magui | hello, I use debian/testing with kde. aptitude has been keeping back a bunch of packages for a few weeks now. most of them are kde-related, though there are a few like cupsys, flac, dvdauthor, xmms, etc. not all packages are kept back. I'm still able to update/upgrade quite a few every week or two weeks. is there a good reason why they are being kept back? or is my system screwed up? |
| 18:37.57 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: try fsck -a /dev/sdc1 |
| 18:38.11 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: what does the -a option do? |
| 18:38.16 | remyforbes777 | does anyone know of a P2P command line program |
| 18:39.24 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: automatically fix errors in the least destructive way, without prompting |
| 18:39.24 | Sjord | I want ifdown to not release the DHCP lease, would adding "pre-down false" to interfaces(5) work? |
| 18:39.24 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: Ok, i'm running it. |
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| 18:39.25 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: Done, now what? |
| 18:39.25 | Sjord | remyforbes777: gtk-gnutella |
| 18:39.25 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: did it say it fixed something? |
| 18:39.39 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: It said "performing changes" |
| 18:39.41 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: try mounting it now |
| 18:39.49 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: see if you get the same stuff in dmesg |
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| 18:40.09 | Spiritus55 | What is the command to mount it? |
| 18:40.14 | Sjord | remyforbes777: mutella |
| 18:40.28 | geo-rge | Spiritus55: when you ran fsck -a, did it say anything about fixing something? |
| 18:40.45 | Spiritus55 | geo-rge: no, it didn't. |
| 18:40.55 | remyforbes777 | Sjord: gtk-gnutella is command line? |
| 18:41.00 | \amethyst | "performing changes" means it fixed something |
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| 18:41.10 | Sjord | remyforbes777: Can be configured that way. |
| 18:41.16 | remyforbes777 | oh ok |
| 18:41.17 | remyforbes777 | thanks |
| 18:41.19 | Spiritus55 | Well, then I don't know... |
| 18:41.33 | Sjord | remyforbes777: Mutella has a nicer interface (colors, ncurses), I think. |
| 18:41.35 | Spiritus55 | It may have, if "Performing changes" means "I'm fixing this piece of crap" |
| 18:41.44 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: mount /media/KFAT1 |
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| 18:42.44 | Spiritus55 | I got some IDE errors and whatnot. |
| 18:42.49 | Spiritus55 | More errors than before |
| 18:43.12 | geo-rge | ide?? |
| 18:43.23 | Spiritus55 | Something like that. |
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| 18:43.28 | Spiritus55 | Let me see if that's just an old error |
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| 18:43.40 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: can you pastebin the output of dmesg? |
| 18:43.53 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: it's possible that the device is failing |
| 18:43.55 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: You want all of it? |
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| 18:44.25 | newbie1 | hello |
| 18:44.25 | \amethyst | Spiritus55: dmesg | tail -20 for the last 20 lines |
| 18:44.25 | Spiritus55 | I think it's fixed. |
| 18:44.26 | Spiritus55 | I can delete things off of it now. |
| 18:44.31 | Spiritus55 | Let me see if I can add things to it. |
| 18:44.34 | diafic | how do I resume wgetting things? |
| 18:44.47 | newbie1 | when i do: screen ./program > dump <----- i dont get the output of the program |
| 18:44.53 | Spiritus55 | diafic: if you had used the -c command, then it should just resume. |
| 18:44.53 | \amethyst | diafic: --continue |
| 18:45.15 | diafic | thanks both |
| 18:45.22 | geo-rge | maybe screen doesn't output to stdout |
| 18:45.33 | newbie1 | geo-rge then what i need ? |
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| 18:45.35 | \amethyst | newbie1: because you're getting the output of screen, and it doesn't write to stdout typically |
| 18:45.45 | Bracki | how can i run a script as a different user? |
| 18:45.47 | Spiritus55 | \amethyst: Thanks, It's fixed now. |
| 18:45.58 | hardcampa | newbie1: screen -L |
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| 18:46.10 | hardcampa | or man screen for all the magic |
| 18:46.13 | geo-rge | do screen (or screen -r, see man screen) and then thecommand > dunp |
| 18:46.14 | \amethyst | newbie1: maybe screen sh -c './program > dump' depending on what you want |
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| 18:49.44 | newbie1 | the problem is...when i do screen ./program then detach that screen, when the program finish or stop running and i do screen -r i wont get the last lines of that program |
| 18:49.57 | newbie1 | thats why i want to output the program output |
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| 18:52.13 | \amethyst | newbie1: so what does appear on the screen when you do screen -r ? |
| 18:52.42 | ice63 | hmm can i use my printer for command lind ? and what do i need to instll to do so ? |
| 18:53.04 | newbie1 | There is a screen on: |
| 18:53.04 | newbie1 | 23425.pts-4.localhost (Attached) |
| 18:53.05 | newbie1 | There is no screen to be resumed. |
| 18:53.19 | \amethyst | newbie1: how did you detach? |
| 18:53.25 | newbie1 | screen -r |
| 18:53.34 | \amethyst | newbie1: *de*tach |
| 18:54.09 | newbie1 | ?? |
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| 18:54.10 | newbie1 | what u mean |
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| 18:54.10 | \amethyst | newbie1: you said you detatched the screen after running the program |
| 18:54.17 | newbie1 | yeah with: CTRL + A + D |
| 18:54.29 | \amethyst | newbie1: and screen -r won't re-attach to it? |
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| 18:54.58 | \amethyst | newbie1: is 23425 the screen that you detached from, or a different one? |
| 18:55.08 | newbie1 | it does re-attach but i wont see any output of the program because the program finished running |
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| 18:55.34 | \amethyst | newbie1: does this program clear the screen or something when it is finished |
| 18:55.35 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 18:55.42 | newbie1 | 23425 is the one |
| 18:55.52 | newbie1 | no it wont clear the screen |
| 18:56.11 | newbie1 | let me tellu exactly whats happening |
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| 18:56.57 | Winkie | hey guys, what's an easy way for me to send an event to a specific window with xorg? |
| 18:57.01 | Winkie | i just want to press 'f5' automatically :) |
| 18:57.03 | geo-rge | what's going on... what's going on... tell me what's going on... I'll tell you what's going on... |
| 18:57.26 | newbie1 | 23425 |
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| 18:57.34 | newbie1 | screen ./md5crack.pl d 1 8 4e67fbbe8a1883317994aebc4198a8b0 > done |
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| 18:57.56 | geo-rge | then, without warning, prsss f5! |
| 18:58.01 | \amethyst | newbie1: there's part of the problem |
| 18:58.12 | \amethyst | newbie1: you're redirecting screen not md5crack |
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| 18:58.36 | Winkie | geo-rge: with a console utility really |
| 18:58.50 | newbie1 | i am using screen because when de-attach the screen the program md5crack will go so fast and use %100 of the cpu...which means the fastest the program can be running...but when i want to see the results i cant... |
| 18:58.52 | newbie1 | thats it |
| 18:58.57 | apk | How do I tell if my pixels are RGB, BGR, VRGB, or VBGR? |
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| 18:59.26 | Winkie | apk: depends on your monitor, most are RGB |
| 18:59.26 | geo-rge | already told you how to do that... someone else gave another way too |
| 18:59.45 | \amethyst | newbie1: when you reattach what do you see? |
| 18:59.59 | \amethyst | newbie1: still the command-line where you invoked the program? |
| 19:00.00 | newbie1 | i see nothing when reattach |
| 19:00.07 | \amethyst | newbie1: a completely empty screen? |
| 19:00.17 | BlackMagik | if i do an apt-get source linux-source-2.6.18 does that give me the kernel headers and modules too? |
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| 19:00.35 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: that gives you a .tar.bz2 containing the source |
| 19:01.59 | geo-rge | BlackMagik: kernel headers are produced in the process of compiling |
| 19:01.59 | newbie1 | screen sh -c "./md5crack.pl d 1 8 4e67fbbe8a1883317994aebc4198a8b0 > done" <--- this is working |
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| 19:02.00 | geo-rge | and are based in part on the configuration |
| 19:02.00 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: ok, i wasn't sure how that worked |
| 19:02.56 | geo-rge | BlackMagik: tell here what it is you need and probably what you're trying to do |
| 19:03.37 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: i have to modify the kernel to implement a system call, before i copied and recompiled the source i just wanted to make sure that nothing else was needed |
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| 19:05.49 | Pons | guys, i'm on lenny here, and everytime i try to install anything that depends or runs python i get this error: ImportError: No module named site |
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| 19:07.09 | geo-rge | BlackMagik: oh, ok... if you're recompiling the kernel, the headers will be poroduced and if you ask (make-kpkg --targets), will be packaged |
| 19:07.41 | Crypticfortune | ahh, ok. slight update: so font anti-aliasing is only broken inside qt-apps my i386 chroot (ie: works in gtk and qt apps in my normal not-chroot, and gtk apps in the chroot, but not qt apps in the chroot...) any possible ideas why? |
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| 19:08.40 | ekim|irc | is it possible to use apt without root permission |
| 19:08.41 | ekim|irc | like to install packages into your home directory ? |
| 19:08.41 | geo-rge | no |
| 19:08.41 | ekim|irc | why ? |
| 19:08.41 | osmosis | is there a debian guide for making an initrd ? |
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| 19:08.41 | ekim|irc | That doesn't make sense... |
| 19:08.47 | ekim|irc | I cant do apt-get install gcc --PREFIX=~/apps |
| 19:08.55 | ekim|irc | why can't I do that ? |
| 19:08.55 | petemc | why doesnt it make sense? |
| 19:08.56 | geo-rge | osmosis: just feed --initrd to make-kpkg |
| 19:09.07 | ekim|irc | that I can't choose where my packages get installed ... |
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| 19:09.25 | geo-rge | debian packaging just isn't designed that way |
| 19:09.26 | vargran | hi everyone! |
| 19:09.27 | osmosis | geo-rge: hmm..ive never used make=kpkg |
| 19:09.32 | Crypticfortune | ekim|irc: you can go download gcc and configure and install it yourself like that... |
| 19:09.45 | geo-rge | osmosis: if you want to, /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:09.47 | haggz | ekim|irc: you can just download .debs and then unpack them and put the files where you want, you don't have to use apt |
| 19:09.48 | x03 | someone know how to fix this? |
| 19:09.49 | x03 | # chroot /mnt/chroot/ |
| 19:09.49 | x03 | /bin/bash: relocation error: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_out_of_memory, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 19:09.56 | vargran | people is it possible to setup wi-fi access point using D-Link DWL-G122 usb-stick? |
| 19:10.20 | Crypticfortune | ekim|irc: the only reason to use packages is fun stuff like dependencies and keeping track of what's installed, and that all is done in one place on the system, and doesn't make sense in a per-user context |
| 19:10.27 | geo-rge | x03: you've been playing with upgrades :) |
| 19:10.44 | x03 | geo-rge: i just make an dist-upgrade |
| 19:11.22 | ekim|irc | Crypticfortune, ...how can I compile gcc without gcc lol |
| 19:11.22 | ekim|irc | Ok ... thanks |
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| 19:11.30 | geo-rge | I cant deal with that now... bkfst time |
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| 19:15.37 | apk | Is there a reason that this (http://www.openoffice.org/FAQs/fontguide.html#9) doesn't work on OO.org on testing? |
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| 19:17.48 | d0uglas | Hi. My courier-imap package is broken and apt won't get or do anything without complaining about it. I rm'ed some of it and that seems to have made things worse. Help. |
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| 19:18.47 | wols_ | !tell d0uglas about bat |
| 19:18.49 | jelly-home | apk: that particular tip didn't work since OO.o 1.2 or so :-| |
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| 19:19.52 | BlackMagik | geo-rge: I have linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz and linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch2.diff.gz do i need both? |
| 19:19.59 | apk | jelly-home: READEME.Debian.gz lies. |
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| 19:21.10 | jelly-home | apk: I've installed openoffice.org-gtk and am using that, it has somewhat smaller menu fonts |
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| 19:22.19 | apk | jelly-home: Oh, that is much nicer. Thanks. |
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| 19:23.04 | d0uglas | got a broken package, can't do anything with apt.. could someone be so kind as to check it out? error's dumped here: http://pastebin.ca/680262 |
| 19:23.30 | runev | how do i se the version of an installed package? |
| 19:23.49 | x03 | dpkg -l | grep package |
| 19:23.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep package |
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| 19:24.31 | runev | x03: thank you |
| 19:24.54 | jelly-home | apk: oh, and that scaling thing near the end of README.Debian, scales all of the interface including the working area and its contents, so is not very helpful if you want to have 100% size be 100% size. |
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| 19:27.06 | d0uglas | can someone point me to a link to fix broken packages? or just check out my apt dump here? : http://pastebin.ca/680262 |
| 19:27.15 | logyati | hello guys |
| 19:27.43 | logyati | how do i create a initrd from files? |
| 19:27.54 | jelly-home | apk: I hear Windows has finally gotten their dpi to work properly in Vista, I might check that out some time. |
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| 19:29.32 | rox | logyati: apt-get install initramfs-tools |
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| 19:30.11 | rox | logyati: see man pages for further instructions |
| 19:30.20 | d0uglas | is there an apt flag to try to fix broken packages? |
| 19:30.31 | rox | d0uglas: -f |
| 19:30.46 | rox | d0uglas: apt-get -f install |
| 19:30.54 | rox | d0uglas: no packages listed |
| 19:31.13 | john_doe | I need some characters that do not exist on my keyboard. I try using xmodmap but I don't know how to get the right keycodes. I use 'xev' and use the number after "keycode" when a button is pushed. However, I get the characters bound to other keys than I want. How can I see the right keycodes? |
| 19:31.35 | rox | d0uglas: sometimes reinstall also helps. see man page of apt-get |
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| 19:32.41 | logyati | rox, ty |
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| 19:33.08 | rox | logyati: np, we're here to help :-) |
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| 19:34.28 | nepbabu | !beer |
| 19:34.28 | dpkg | hmm... beer is liquid gold mate |
| 19:34.40 | d0uglas | rox: did the -f and got this: http://pastebin.ca/680273 |
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| 19:35.16 | rox | d0uglas: how about reinstall? |
| 19:35.32 | d0uglas | yeah i was about to do that.. .thought i'd take a stab in the dark and ask here |
| 19:35.42 | rox | d0uglas: apt-get install --reinstall courier... |
| 19:35.49 | d0uglas | ohh i thought you meant debian ;) |
| 19:36.10 | rox | d0uglas: oh, please, you never ever need to reinstall debian |
| 19:36.34 | d0uglas | rox: leads to the same error |
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| 19:37.03 | rox | d0uglas: is this stable you are running?= |
| 19:37.10 | d0uglas | ... no :( |
| 19:37.31 | d0uglas | but it's not sid or experimental :) |
| 19:37.44 | logyati | rox, one more help... im trying to modify etch's initrd, i know how to modify the files, but i cant recreate my new initrd.gz |
| 19:37.48 | rox | !testing |
| 19:37.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 19:37.51 | logyati | rox, do you know how to do that? |
| 19:38.06 | d0uglas | all right i'll go stable this time |
| 19:38.39 | rox | d0uglas: if you have courier-imap on your box, then you NEED stable |
| 19:38.48 | rox | d0uglas: stable is perfect for servers |
| 19:39.27 | d0uglas | well i def want courier imap so i'll just pop in the disk and start over |
| 19:39.35 | d0uglas | wish me luck.. bye |
| 19:39.38 | d0uglas | thanks for the help bro |
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| 19:40.07 | rox | logyati: not from out of my head, but if you run mkinitramfs or read its manpage it will give you pretty good instructions |
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| 19:40.30 | logyati | rox, i did it, but no lucky |
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| 19:41.10 | rox | logyati: i suspect you have the kernel in question installed on your machine |
| 19:41.15 | rox | logyati: do you? |
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| 19:42.30 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 19:42.38 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 19:42.43 | rox | hi |
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| 19:43.35 | logyati | rox, hmmmmm |
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| 19:45.09 | rox | logyati: ok, would you care to explain why you are in need of creating an initrd image? |
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| 19:47.54 | Airbottle | does anyone has experience with rtorrent? |
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| 19:48.37 | Airbottle | i try the option for schedule to control the downloadspeed in function of the time of the day, like on the site of rtorrent, however, it won't work for me |
| 19:48.45 | Airbottle | *it will not |
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| 19:49.57 | tipote | Hi all! I'm trying to install Debian/Lenny on my Macbook with the i386 DVD #1. I read the wiki page carefully, but I have now a problem: the installer tells me it doesn't find any hard disk, and asks me to choose a module from a list. If I exit to the shell and look at the loaded modules, I see that all of controllers modules are loaded, so I don't know what to do... Any suggestion ? |
| 19:50.17 | Spiritus55 | I need to edit my songs into smaller clips, so I can stick them on my phone, and I need a music editor. But, I don't need it to be huge, just a very basic, cut save music editor. Also something with playback. 10 megabytes or under. |
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| 19:50.23 | M[i]lad | Hi |
| 19:51.29 | M[i]lad | Is any package for J2ME ? |
| 19:51.30 | Spiritus55 | Anybody help? |
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| 19:52.32 | petemc | Sanitoeter: audacity, ive no idea what size it is tho |
| 19:52.32 | Spiritus55 | audacity for linux? |
| 19:52.32 | petemc | Spiritus55: ^^^ |
| 19:52.32 | petemc | yeah |
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| 19:53.50 | Spiritus55 | :) |
| 19:53.50 | serkan`c | hello i have a question, what does that mean "good providers" |
| 19:53.50 | DustyBin | are there any advantages of splitting up a vmware image into 2gig files ? |
| 19:53.50 | Spiritus55 | Petemc: it's 10.3 Megabytes. Wow, what a coincidence... |
| 19:53.59 | petemc | Spiritus55: usually, people who provide reliable internet access |
| 19:53.59 | Eulex | serkan`c, in what context? |
| 19:54.03 | petemc | jesus |
| 19:54.11 | petemc | i give up |
| 19:54.11 | serkan`c | in usege of apt |
| 19:54.49 | serkan`c | i am translating apt into my language, i am trying to understand what is good provide and what is no good provider of a virtual package |
| 19:55.18 | petemc | thats the dictionary definition of provision, i guess |
| 19:56.11 | serkan`c | at first i thgoght when it says "a virtual package with good providers" it means a meta package with some other programs |
| 19:56.22 | serkan`c | but when i see no-good providers,i am confused |
| 19:56.40 | petemc | can you show a link to the full paragraph of the english version? |
| 19:57.02 | serkan`c | Package %s is a virtual package with no good providers. |
| 19:57.08 | serkan`c | no paragraph, sorry |
| 19:57.36 | serkan`c | that means that virtual package hasnt bring any other progamme? |
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| 20:00.41 | gporcel | Has anyone had any issues with Apache's mod_rewrite in Etch? |
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| 20:01.53 | gporcel | The reason I ask is that I am having trouble getting SEF urls to work with Joomla 1.013 |
| 20:02.29 | gporcel | After looking at .htaccess for a while and making sure that mod_rewrite is indeed loaded, I figured I would ask in case somebody else has seen a similar issue. |
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| 20:10.14 | Nighthawk | I am new into Debian, and more or less all going smoothly, but now I can't find any decent tutorial how to set for each of 3 IP's other domain. Anyone know any tutorial in "understandable" language for newbie? |
| 20:10.15 | Nighthawk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:10.15 | joey[] | any idea how can I apply this .diff to source? (http://packages.debian.org/source/etch/nagios2) |
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| 20:10.15 | joey[] | http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nagios2/nagios2_2.6-2+etch1.diff.gz |
| 20:10.16 | joey[] | that to http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/nagios2/nagios2_2.6.orig.tar.gz |
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| 20:10.16 | mcfloppy | hello |
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| 20:10.17 | mcfloppy | how can i sort ls output that all hidden files first, then directorys and then files? |
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| 20:12.56 | edistar_ | is file-roller not so efficient maybe? seems to take ages to unpack |
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| 20:13.26 | SpeedyG | Nighthawk: do you mean running apache with several websites ? |
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| 20:15.52 | darsie | How can I NFS export a DVD that I mounted with udf? It says: "exportfs: Warning: /media/cdrom1 does not support NFS export." |
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| 20:17.10 | dad | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.52 | Nighthawk | SpeedyG no no |
| 20:17.59 | Nighthawk | like few vhosts |
| 20:18.00 | Nighthawk | etc |
| 20:18.07 | Nighthawk | i have 3 ips |
| 20:18.10 | Nighthawk | main one is resolved |
| 20:18.16 | Nighthawk | 2 others arent |
| 20:18.24 | Nighthawk | don't know hwere to add them |
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| 20:19.00 | Nighthawk | how to bind them |
| 20:19.03 | Nighthawk | or something |
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| 20:19.57 | petemc | Nighthawk: are the ips all from the same netblock? |
| 20:20.02 | Nighthawk | yes |
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| 20:20.34 | petemc | Nighthawk: you can use ip aliases, add entries in /etc/network/interfaces, use eth0:1 eth0:2 etc |
| 20:20.45 | petemc | syntax is the same for "normal" ips |
| 20:20.57 | Nighthawk | aha |
| 20:21.23 | SpeedyG | petemc: when using aliases, is it required to label the 'main' interface as eth0:0 ? |
| 20:21.29 | petemc | no |
| 20:21.32 | SpeedyG | ok :) |
| 20:21.40 | SpeedyG | was just wondering |
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| 20:22.08 | Nighthawk | will check |
| 20:22.15 | Nighthawk | thank you |
| 20:22.29 | petemc | np |
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| 20:24.48 | darsie | Is the udf (universal disk format) version that can be nfs exported not yet in the kernel? |
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| 20:25.57 | SpeedyG | Nighthawk: just tried, got now two ip's on this machine :) |
| 20:26.00 | SpeedyG | works like a charm :) |
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| 20:29.55 | Kartoffelsalat | where can i foun flight-of-the-amazonas-queen? i aptituded it (with scummvm) |
| 20:29.55 | Kartoffelsalat | have googled, but not found :/ (locate failed too?) |
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| 20:32.24 | SpeedyG | Kartoffelsalat: dpkg -l $package to see if its installed, and dpkg -L $pakage to find its files :) |
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| 20:33.17 | vargran | how to set up wi-fi access point not using hostapd? |
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| 20:33.58 | Kartoffelsalat | SpeedyG: wow, thanks :) |
| 20:34.06 | Kartoffelsalat | this helped me a lot |
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| 20:34.43 | SpeedyG | yw :) |
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| 20:37.17 | action099 | hi all |
| 20:37.20 | SpeedyG | hi |
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| 20:39.35 | action099 | i'll have to install debian on a desktop with 2 video cards and two LCD monitors, any clue please ? what would you recommend ? during install, only select one video card and one monitor and tune later the xorg.conf ? if anyone has clue/tuto .. :) tia ! |
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| 20:41.23 | SpeedyG | i'd try to do what you just said.. but i'm not that experienced with *nix on a desktop |
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| 20:42.15 | petemc | action099: i dont think that you can do that with debconf, so at some point you'll need to edit xorg.conf yourself |
| 20:42.40 | petemc | action099: one idea is to use debconf with one card enabled, then the other, then merge the two configs |
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| 20:42.59 | petemc | action099: http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/xorg.conf is my config for 2 cards/monitors |
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| 20:43.37 | c0rnd0g | wols_: alot of apps don't run on 64bit or rather does lenny? |
| 20:43.47 | RBRIDDICK | hi! i try to use the ondemand governor, but it says, that it wont work... but when i use "echo 1 > /proc/acpi/processor/CPU1/throttling" it works fine... should i write my own user-land governor? |
| 20:43.58 | SpeedyG | petemc: hm, i'm not that stupid then.. that was exactly what I was thinking about :) |
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| 20:44.17 | action099 | thanks petemc |
| 20:44.27 | action099 | for your help and answer :) |
| 20:44.29 | petemc | SpeedyG: there might be more expedient ways to do it, but it works |
| 20:44.33 | petemc | action099: no |
| 20:44.35 | c0rnd0g | does lenny run "fine" on 64bit cpu? |
| 20:44.35 | wols_ | c0rnd0g: huh? |
| 20:44.35 | petemc | erm, np |
| 20:44.57 | wols_ | of course it does. the problems usually only arise witi closed source software not in debian |
| 20:45.00 | c0rnd0g | 04:36 < wols_> c0rnd0g: makes no sense either. linux is fine on 64bit |
| 20:45.25 | wols_ | ie. flash, acrobat, closed source drivers, etc |
| 20:45.31 | wols_ | all that bad closed source shit |
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| 20:48.48 | c0rnd0g | wols_: if i installed i386 minimal debian etch iso then upgraded to lenny and things are stable, what do i need to do? a fresh reinstall or just upgrade kernel package or? |
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| 20:48.48 | c0rnd0g | wols_: its an amd single core 64bit |
| 20:48.48 | darsie | I can't seem to nfs export an nfs mount point, either. |
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| 20:48.49 | c0rnd0g | darsie: tried `exportfs -ra` then debugged errors? |
| 20:48.49 | darsie | not yet ... |
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| 20:49.40 | wols_ | c0rnd0g: if you want to go 64bit: a reinstall. i386 and amd64 are different platforms |
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| 20:50.34 | c0rnd0g | darsie: `man exportfs` see if you can exportfs -rav or something where your output is more verbose and check your firewall make sure your ports aren't blocked file /etc/services should tell you what nfs ports are needed including portmap i think and then open those ports on your firewall, `iptables -L -n | grep -i listen` should tell you that :) |
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| 20:50.44 | c0rnd0g | wols_: eghad. maybe next release :) |
| 20:51.19 | c0rnd0g | wols_: just go through upgrading from etch to lenny and not doing that right now. my chair isn't good enough to sit that long :) |
| 20:51.23 | c0rnd0g | go/bot |
| 20:51.26 | c0rnd0g | eh, go/got |
| 20:51.50 | darsie | c0rnd0g: I can nfs export normal directories well. |
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| 20:52.09 | darsie | Just not mountpoints with filesystem udf and nfs. |
| 20:52.19 | c0rnd0g | darsie: make sure your firewall has a limit on the UDP ports for NFS protocol that are open due to UDP being stateless, would help, but don't make it too restrictive. |
| 20:52.34 | darsie | it says: exportfs: Warning: /s does not support NFS export. |
| 20:52.42 | psyche_ | does anyone have Envy24 soundcard? |
| 20:52.50 | psyche_ | need little help with configuring that |
| 20:53.26 | psyche_ | i have modules and codecs installed |
| 20:53.26 | psyche_ | but sounds are still dead |
| 20:53.26 | c0rnd0g | darsie: i don't understand why you would be exporting anything but an NFS fs, nothing more, nothing less. buts that me, maybe a little too conservative. i dunno. |
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| 20:54.09 | c0rnd0g | darsie: check the naming convention of your filesystem in that it is correct and make sure your file /etc/exports has the right syntax |
| 20:54.12 | darsie | c0rnd0g: I actually really care about nfs exporting the DVD mount point, filesystem is udf. |
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| 20:54.54 | c0rnd0g | darsie: i dunno about that. check google see if there's a hack. darsie you could copy the dvd to your hd as an .iso and export that would probly be best. |
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| 20:55.23 | c0rnd0g | darsie: hd=hard drive, bbl |
| 20:55.33 | darsie | cu |
| 20:55.40 | CrippsFX | I'm running lenny on x86_64; I just installed mozilla-mplayer and then restarted iceweasel so that I could use the plugin, but when I got to a site that streams divx video (i.e. stage6.com) iceweasel tells me that I'm missing a plugin. How would I go about getting iceweasel to recognise the mplayer plugin that is already installed? |
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| 20:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | restarting firefox should have been enough |
| 20:58.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | could look at the about:plugins page in the browser |
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| 20:58.44 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, okay, I'll give that a look. |
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| 20:59.57 | ngranek | hi all |
| 20:59.57 | c0rnd0g | darsie: if you have nautilus-util or something similar installed i think you can right click the dvd in nautilus and "create iso" or something, check synaptic. KDE i'm sure theres same option or whatever windowmanager you're using. |
| 20:59.57 | ngranek | where's wx-config on debian lenny? |
| 21:00.09 | ngranek | i installed wx-common, but in only gave me the man page |
| 21:00.18 | remyforbes777 | configured mutella for remote access but web page wont come up any suggestions |
| 21:00.39 | ngranek | apt-file doesn't find wx-config, but it finds wx-config's man page |
| 21:00.48 | darsie | c0rnd0g: Thanks, but I do not want to copy the DVD to hd. |
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| 21:01.13 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah. The plugin appears to be there, and active, but it has no option for *.divx ... I'm checking out the documention on how to remedy that :) |
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| 21:01.23 | CrippsFX | *documentation |
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| 21:01.56 | c0rnd0g | darsie: that'd probly be your best bet as the lag due to nfs transport and dvd read/write whatever might be too unbearable. let me know your results cuz is nice idea, economy wise :) |
| 21:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrippsFX, preferences->applications, I think |
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| 21:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrippsFX, btw, you could also have a look at mozplugger if you like to have all kinds of things running inside the browser |
| 21:03.50 | c0rnd0g | darsie: and if its private sensitive data you can tunnel your transport through ssh or something, just another option |
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| 21:04.13 | c0rnd0g | bye 4 real this time |
| 21:04.17 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, there is no applications tab for edit->preferences :/ ... I will, however, take a look at mozplugger, thanks. |
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| 21:04.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrippsFX, ah, everything has been renamed again... it's in preferences->content, there is "Filetypes" Configure how Iceweasel handles certain types of files |
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| 21:05.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | CrippsFX, oh, but that seems to be only for external applications |
| 21:05.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !plugin |
| 21:06.01 | CrippsFX | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, I've been through the "filetypes" management menu, but there's no way to "add a new action" or "add a new filetype association" |
| 21:06.07 | baegle | So, I'm looking for glut, and I see two available packages freeglut3 and glutg3, what is the difference between the two, and how would I find out this difference on my own? |
| 21:06.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !plugins |
| 21:07.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, there |
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| 21:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mozilla plugins |
| 21:07.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mozilla plugins is Help for installing plug-ins is available from plugindoc.mozdev.org |
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| 21:13.53 | OpenGL | !ubuntusmite |
| 21:14.05 | OpenGL | Is dpkg dead? |
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| 21:14.15 | OpenGL | Well crap |
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| 21:14.22 | darsie | OpenGL: works for me |
| 21:14.27 | petemc | !yo |
| 21:14.27 | dpkg | yao! |
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| 21:18.06 | montoya | Mazingaro: come mai sono bannato in #debian-it ? |
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| 21:19.30 | sagar_ | i want to compile a source package, but i want to use make -j 3...can i just type that, and then use dpkg-buildpackage? or does buildpackage re-make it? |
| 21:20.40 | ice63 | hello can someone tell me how to install the nvidia legacy drivers pl ? |
| 21:21.01 | ice63 | i need help |
| 21:21.17 | montoya | peppe: ci sei? |
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| 21:21.51 | montoya | peppe: come mai mi hanno bannato in #debian-it ??? |
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| 21:22.36 | Sebboh | sagar_: I don't know, but, I bet that buildpackage has a feature that will let you append something to a command line..?? |
| 21:22.59 | ice63 | ok |
| 21:23.07 | Sebboh | ice63: |
| 21:23.16 | ice63 | yes |
| 21:23.17 | Sebboh | dpkg tell ice63 about nv |
| 21:23.23 | sagar_ | Sebboh, i can't find anything about it, but i will look harder |
| 21:23.24 | Sebboh | dpkg tell ice63 about nvidia |
| 21:23.25 | simonrvn | sagar_: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 21:24.06 | Sebboh | speaking of dpkg.. how do I get her to tell me which package provides /usr/bin/gnome-config ? |
| 21:24.15 | sagar_ | hmm |
| 21:24.32 | \amethyst | sagar_: does MAKEFLAGS=-j3 work? |
| 21:25.16 | peppe | montoya83: uno ha bannato tutta telecom |
| 21:26.22 | sagar_ | \amethyst, let me try that |
| 21:26.22 | Sebboh | \amethyst: ahh.. Good idea. Just becareful of fakeroot. A lot of build instructions recommend the use of fakeroot. I dunno how that might effect the environment. |
| 21:26.22 | Sebboh | (completely hide it, I suppose.) |
| 21:26.22 | Sebboh | \amethyst: what's that thing that you do with dpkg to show what package provides some file? |
| 21:26.38 | simonrvn | dpkg -L package |
| 21:26.38 | dpkg | ii package 1.6-3 simonrvn's private porn collection |
| 21:26.42 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
| 21:27.03 | \amethyst | Sebboh: do you mean the program or the bot? |
| 21:27.04 | Sebboh | no the bot. |
| 21:27.08 | Sebboh | yes. |
| 21:27.12 | Sebboh | :) |
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| 21:27.24 | ricky | !help |
| 21:27.30 | Sebboh | dpkg -L some file only works with installed packages. |
| 21:27.37 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.37 | \amethyst | !find /bin/ls |
| 21:27.38 | dpkg | No packages found matching some file only works with installed packages. |
| 21:27.52 | Sebboh | Find! ahh. |
| 21:27.54 | Sebboh | thx |
| 21:27.58 | sagar_ | \amethyst, i dont think that worked |
| 21:27.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/bin/ls' (10 of 38): (/usr/bin/lshal) in admin/hal ;; (/usr/bin/lsof) in utils/lsof ;; (/usr/bin/lswm) in utils/lswm ;; (/usr/bin/lshw) in utils/lshw ;; (/usr/bin/lsdvd) in utils/lsdvd ;; (/usr/bin/lsw) in x11/dwm-tools ;; (/usr/bin/lsmbox) in mail/lsmbox ;; (/usr/bin/lspgpot) in utils/gnupg ;; (/usr/bin/lsscsi) in admin/lsscsi ;; (/usr/bin/lsongs) in sound/lsongs. |
| 21:28.52 | Sebboh | [dpkg] Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/gnome-config' returned no results. .. d'oh. |
| 21:29.08 | Sebboh | where do I get gnome-config from? |
| 21:29.47 | azeem | Sebboh: why do you need it? |
| 21:29.53 | azeem | it's obsolete |
| 21:33.36 | \amethyst | Sebboh: it's in libgnome-dev... are you building a gnome 1 program? |
| 21:33.36 | Sebboh | Yes, I am. |
| 21:33.36 | \amethyst | Sebboh: a non-debian-packaged one? |
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| 21:33.36 | Sebboh | azeem, nosy, huh? :) |
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| 21:33.36 | Sebboh | \amethyst: exactly. |
| 21:33.37 | \amethyst | you're going to need -dev packages for all the libs it uses |
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| 21:33.37 | azeem | Sebboh: well, I wasn't sure you were aware that this is cruft from the 90s |
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| 21:33.37 | Sebboh | I do my best to avoid non-packaged applications, hell, I even avoid non-signed deb packages. But this is for GNU R... A math/statistics program. It looks like the old gui has fallen out of fasion.. But, I'll see if it still works at all. shrug |
| 21:33.53 | Sebboh | azeem: ... you got me, I didn't realize it was that old. Ok. |
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| 21:34.36 | azeem | Sebboh: I see |
| 21:34.38 | Sebboh | \amethyst: yes, the -dev packages are what I've been installing. |
| 21:35.47 | \amethyst | Sebboh: is the gui part of the R distribution? |
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| 21:37.36 | Sebboh | Yes, it's part of R, but, the debian package for gnomeGUI is empty. I can still install the package directly from the CRAN, though. |
| 21:37.36 | themill_ | Sebboh: you know that R has been packaged for debian? |
| 21:38.32 | Sebboh | themill_: I have apt-got it recently, yes. However, the gnomeGUI package is no longer carried by debian. |
| 21:38.41 | themill_ | Sebboh: I didn't think that any of R was actually in the main debian archive yet.... but much of cran has been packaged. Don't use it myself, but there has been much discussion on debian-science of late. |
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| 21:39.12 | \amethyst | themill_: ? how would cran stuff be packaged if R wasn't there? |
| 21:39.18 | \amethyst | r-base |
| 21:39.39 | BlackMagik | when do I need KBUILD_MODULES |
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| 21:39.54 | \amethyst | Sebboh: the debian changelog says that the gnome GUI was unbundled upstream... or is this a separate package now? |
| 21:40.01 | azeem | it's been there since 2006 |
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| 21:40.16 | themill_ | \amethyst, azeem: that's recent ;) |
| 21:42.15 | \amethyst | went into unstable 10 Apr 2005 |
| 21:42.15 | themill_ | iirc, R had a really dodgy licence that kept it out for a long time |
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| 21:42.15 | themill_ | unofficial debs have been around since 1997 though |
| 21:42.15 | \amethyst | err, earlier than that |
| 21:42.15 | Sebboh | \amethyst: I have no idea why/how/when the gnomeGUI left debian.. Nor do I know if they plan to keep it in CRAN.. But, I can say that it is in CRAN today, and I'll let you know how the build process goes! :) |
| 21:42.15 | themill_ | probably... |
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| 21:42.16 | themill_ | Sebboh: it's not in the unofficial deb repo for R then? |
| 21:42.16 | zophy | how can i have debootstrap install a kernel in /boot ? |
| 21:42.27 | Sebboh | themill_: Since I found R in the official repo, I never looked there,. |
| 21:42.39 | azeem | zophy: you can tell it to install extra packages via a command-line switch |
| 21:42.43 | zophy | can i put the kernel package name in a file somewhere ? |
| 21:42.46 | zophy | ah |
| 21:42.49 | zophy | i see |
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| 21:43.23 | \amethyst | Sebboh: you're building just the gnome GUI, not all of R, right? |
| 21:43.27 | themill_ | Sebboh: there's too much in CRAN to package it all so cran, like cpan, is never all going to go into main. So there are unofficial repos around that have some/lots of it packaged. Might be worth a look. |
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| 21:45.33 | themill_ | \amethyst, azeem: do you guys actually use R at all? I've only ever heard about it through debian-science. |
| 21:45.33 | Sebboh | \amethyst: right, I think. I got R out of official debian repos.. And then, I issued a single command from within R that caused it to ask me which mirror to use, download some source, and attempt to build it. |
| 21:45.33 | azeem | no |
| 21:45.33 | \amethyst | themill_: I don't, but I have users who do |
| 21:45.33 | sagar_ | i found this program, apt-build, it appears to be able to do -j 3 for me |
| 21:45.33 | en1gma | everytime i build a kernel and leave the menuconfig option to * or m off in the config file it says "is not set" shouldnt it be set to "n" |
| 21:45.33 | Sebboh | I am the same as \amethyst, kinda. I am not a scientist, but I know one. ;) |
| 21:45.43 | \amethyst | Sebboh: Did you read https://svn.r-project.org/R-packages/trunk/gnomeGUI/README |
| 21:45.44 | \amethyst | ? |
| 21:45.56 | themill_ | Oh well... I was hoping I'd found a real live R user that I could talk to.... |
| 21:45.58 | Sebboh | \amethyst: probably not.. one sec. |
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| 21:46.20 | \amethyst | Sebboh: it lists the packages you need installed (though the package names will be somewhat different in debian) |
| 21:46.41 | linux_jones | im trying to get ndiswrapper working, and i got it all set up but now theres an eth0:avah in ifconfig, with a really odd ip address (maybe one of my neighbors ap's) but nothing in iwconfig |
| 21:46.44 | en1gma | what came first the compiler or the kernel |
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| 21:46.53 | \amethyst | en1gma: In Linux? |
| 21:46.56 | themill_ | en1gma: are you still making your life difficult? |
| 21:46.57 | en1gma | yes |
| 21:47.03 | en1gma | ands yes |
| 21:47.05 | \amethyst | en1gma: gcc was around before Linux existed |
| 21:47.06 | azeem | en1gma: are you asking from a historian POV? |
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| 21:47.37 | en1gma | random thought of info |
| 21:48.08 | en1gma | ok how about what came first...unix or the compiler |
| 21:48.15 | azeem | en1gma: how about you ask elsewhere? |
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| 21:48.18 | Yup | hello |
| 21:48.23 | azeem | or read the vast amount of Unix history on the net |
| 21:48.28 | Sebboh | \amethyst: yes, I had read that. Yeah, unfortunately, that list is REALLY wrong. :( |
| 21:48.33 | linux_jones | anyone? |
| 21:48.45 | en1gma | azeem how about i add you to ignore |
| 21:48.53 | azeem | en1gma: that's ok |
| 21:48.58 | en1gma | i know |
| 21:49.04 | themill_ | en1gma: http://kerneltrap.org/node/14002 |
| 21:49.07 | maikeru | Hey folks! I've got a question I'm not completely sure about. Right now I'm hosting XP on my desktop computer, but quite bored with it so thought I'd try out debian 4.0 as a change. However, I now run 1 partition containing Windows and 1 containing my documents and such (NTFS both). Are there any chance of keeping the later one with all the fun stuff, even though it's a NTFS-formatted partition? |
| 21:49.09 | streuner | hm, ignoring OPs isnt that clever... |
| 21:49.22 | Yup | i have fedora as xen-dom0, and want to install debian as xen-domU, can someone point me to docs about how to do that ? |
| 21:49.36 | en1gma | themill thnx...checking that out |
| 21:49.38 | azeem | maikeru: you want to wipe the first one? |
| 21:49.44 | azeem | maikeru: then it's no issue at all |
| 21:49.44 | \amethyst | en1gma: http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/hist.html |
| 21:50.03 | azeem | maikeru: otherwise, the Debian installer can resize one of them or both to make space, but that's without warranty |
| 21:50.13 | \amethyst | the very first Unix, which would be barely recognizable today, was written in assembler |
| 21:50.25 | maikeru | azeem: the windows partition I can live without, don't want to dualboot, but I've got all my documents on the second one, that's why it would be nice to keep, so i won't have to make a full backup on those ~200gb |
| 21:52.23 | azeem | maikeru: how big is that Windows partition? |
| 21:52.23 | azeem | maikeru: note that it's awkward to use an ntfs partition for every-day use on GNU/Linux |
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| 21:52.24 | maikeru | azeem: 25gb, though I'm not exactly sure if's logical or primary, if that got anything to do with it |
| 21:52.24 | maikeru | azeem: I second you on that. Perhaps should make a clean install and mount the biggest one as /home with ext3? |
| 21:54.24 | azeem | maikeru: well, 25gb is very much enough for GNU/Linux |
| 21:54.24 | azeem | depends on how much data you plan to get/use yourself |
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| 21:54.25 | linux_jones | when loading ndiswrapper, what comes first, depmod or modprobe? |
| 21:54.25 | azeem | maikeru: you could backup the most critical stuff, and then resize the ntfs data partition, if there is lot of free space on it |
| 21:54.25 | maikeru | azeem: true, I was thinking of that option as well. Perhaps should check out how much I need to save and if it's not too much - blowing it clean ain't that bad |
| 21:54.25 | Sebboh | azeem, \amethyst, themill_: I got gnomeGUI for R working, but, sigh I see why they are abandoning it. |
| 21:54.41 | themill_ | Sebboh: did somebody say train wreck? |
| 21:55.56 | Sebboh | themill_: it can make nice plots with labeled datapoints! But when you pull another window over that one the image is erased.. ;) and it doesn't redraw if you minimize/restore.. I remember when I coded a window like this. ..In highschool... It was my first GUI.. ;) |
| 21:56.27 | themill_ | Sebboh: ouch. that's horrible. even for gtk1 |
| 21:56.53 | maikeru | hey azeem, thanks for giving me some point of views ;) |
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| 21:58.41 | Sebboh | themill_ yeah it's obvious that any future gui should just be new development. ..But this gui is good to keep around to provide a list of requirements. =) |
| 21:59.10 | themill_ | Sebboh: and an example of how-not-to... |
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| 22:02.43 | Sebboh | themill_: well.. yes and no. Like I said, the first gui I made suffered from exactly the same problem.. It's a simple matter of catching an event and firing a redraw.. Something that all modern toolkits handle for you. |
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| 22:02.43 | ttuttle | Anyone here familiar with SELinux? |
| 22:02.43 | Sebboh | ttuttle: How familiar? |
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| 22:02.47 | ttuttle | Sebboh: I know almost nothing about it, and I need help clearing up some audit messages before I can enable enforcement. |
| 22:02.50 | Sebboh | I've used it, but I haven't built my own. |
| 22:02.59 | Sebboh | Can't help you there. |
| 22:03.09 | ttuttle | Ok. |
| 22:03.14 | ttuttle | Thanks anyway. |
| 22:03.31 | themill_ | Sebboh: yes. mostly. It's actually a fairly common problem with plotting routines because of the way they are constructed as a canvas draw not a set of lines. A little more work is usually needed to implement a backbuffer. |
| 22:03.36 | Sebboh | Good luck! (is there an selinux specific IRC channel?) |
| 22:03.49 | Decepticon | hello, i have a ethernet jack that ive hooked up to a switch... ive plugged one laptop (this one) into it and I know my ip.... the other computer is a desktop and i have no monitor for it but it is hooked up to the internet as well... how do i figure out the ip of it.... I was expecting the desktop (debian linux os) to join up on my hamachi network, but it hasnt.... so im confused how to find the ip |
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| 22:04.10 | Howitzer | bb |
| 22:04.16 | BlackMagik | i am adding a helloworld systemcall to the kernel... i have #include <linux/linkage.h> and #include <linux/kernel.h> in my c file, and the Makefile in the kernel/helloworld folder has obj-y = helloword.o, do I just do helloworld: ... gcc helloworld.c |
| 22:04.20 | BlackMagik | ? |
| 22:04.44 | themill_ | BlackMagik: #debian isn't really the place for this question. |
| 22:05.39 | Sebboh | Decepticon: do you know that the headless debian machine has grabbed an IP address from your dhcp server successfully? |
| 22:05.51 | Decepticon | Sebboh, Im not even sure of that |
| 22:05.57 | Decepticon | im assuming it should have |
| 22:06.01 | Decepticon | seeing that my laptop had no trouble |
| 22:06.04 | Sebboh | Decepticon: if it did not... Well, you won't be able to contact it by the network. |
| 22:06.27 | themill_ | Decepticon: can the switch tell you who it has given leases to? |
| 22:06.29 | Sebboh | And if other PC's are in the same range--like a college dorm--you might have trouble finding it by some sort of scan. |
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| 22:06.55 | Decepticon | Sebboh thats what im trying right now |
| 22:06.58 | Sebboh | Switches do not lease, but, yeah, themill is onto something. If the dhcp server can tell you who it leased to, that might help. |
| 22:07.07 | Decepticon | ive scanned every computer on the net, now im ssh'ing into each |
| 22:07.31 | Sebboh | Decepticon: that's a terrible idea. But anyway. Better idea: log into the debian box blind. |
| 22:07.34 | themill_ | (I was assuming it was a home router thingy that does dhcp and was just being called a switch here....) |
| 22:07.43 | Sebboh | do you know the key sequences? |
| 22:08.02 | Decepticon | Sebboh, i think so, its on login prompt right now, and will load up a bash shell after log in |
| 22:08.09 | Decepticon | what should i type that would send my ip to an email |
| 22:08.26 | Decepticon | i have a keyboard lying around thankfully |
| 22:08.33 | themill_ | Decepticon: it would be easier to get it to do something that causes the IP to be logged somewhere. |
| 22:08.46 | Sebboh | Decepticon: just ping your laptop and run tcpdump on the laptop |
| 22:08.48 | themill_ | Decepticon: you might not have a configured MTA to send an email |
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| 22:09.04 | Decepticon | gah.. |
| 22:09.12 | Decepticon | Sebboh im not sure what you mean by that |
| 22:09.16 | Decepticon | oh right |
| 22:09.20 | Decepticon | Sebboh good idea |
| 22:09.28 | Sebboh | He's easy. :) |
| 22:09.29 | Decepticon | the laptop has winxp actually |
| 22:09.35 | Decepticon | what should i be doing in winxp |
| 22:09.43 | Decepticon | (laptop) |
| 22:09.47 | Sebboh | uh.. wireshark is kinda overkill for this... |
| 22:09.53 | Decepticon | ethereal? |
| 22:10.04 | Decepticon | should i run ethereal |
| 22:10.07 | Sebboh | that is the old name for wireshark, yes. |
| 22:10.10 | Decepticon | ah |
| 22:10.18 | Decepticon | well ill give it a shot |
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| 22:11.15 | maikeru | goodnight people |
| 22:12.59 | Sebboh | I was just thinking if there is a more simple way. ..hmm, apt-get install wget <hit enter a few times> wget http://www.some-server-that-logs-your-ip.com ..Then view that server's log with your laptop. |
| 22:12.59 | themill_ | *nod* |
| 22:12.59 | themill_ | (that's what I was thinking might work) |
| 22:13.00 | Decepticon | Sebboh i dont have a server of my own... but i can log into a free shell account i have, and run the command 'last' |
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| 22:13.00 | Decepticon | or who |
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| 22:13.01 | Sebboh | Decepticon: sure... slightly harder than the ping. Just think, if you had debian on your laptop, you'd have the ip already. apt-get install tcpdump; tcpdump proto=ICMP or whatever... |
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| 22:13.39 | Sebboh | dude irc is a blackhole, I have to close this and get some work done. good luck all. |
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| 22:16.00 | Decepticon | i dont think my keybaord is working.... either that or the dhcp hasnt worked on my debian machine yet |
| 22:16.04 | Decepticon | should i restart? |
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| 22:18.01 | PietroGiovanni | hi, im having the following error in console after running dpkg-reconfigure -a. error in http://paste.lisp.org/display/47184. any help welcome :P |
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| 22:19.28 | _paco_ | helloe I'm new to debian |
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| 22:19.36 | _paco_ | and I've got this messages |
| 22:19.40 | _paco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.52 | digx | hi, is there a way to list all the dpkg that did *not* come with my debian install? |
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| 22:21.48 | PietroGiovanni | hi, im having the following error in console after running dpkg-reconfigure -a. error in http://paste.lisp.org/display/47184. any help welcome :P |
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| 22:29.06 | sysop2 | hi guys. |
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| 22:29.07 | Decepticon | how do i ping perpetually with a 2 second interval |
| 22:29.07 | rahul | man ping |
| 22:29.07 | rahul | wtf. |
| 22:29.09 | Decepticon | i cant... i dont have a monitor |
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| 22:29.18 | rahul | then you can't type the ping command. |
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| 22:29.29 | rahul | problem eliminated. |
| 22:29.37 | Decepticon | im doing this blindly without a monitor so i can figure out the goddamn ip of the headless machine |
| 22:29.51 | Decepticon | i DO, HOWEVER, have a keyboard |
| 22:30.05 | rahul | you don't have a web browser either, I guess |
| 22:30.08 | sysop2 | I was trying to put the live boot version of debain onto a usb key and forgot that this was a serial ata machine to a accidently dd the image to the hard drive instead of the key. is there any way to get the data off the drive? |
| 22:30.12 | rahul | because you didn't try to google for "ping man page" |
| 22:30.19 | Decepticon | rahul wtf are you on |
| 22:30.22 | Decepticon | about |
| 22:30.36 | Decepticon | i simply asked about pinging perpetually with a 2 second interval, thats all |
| 22:30.45 | enyc | Hrrrm! backports.org packages appear to have become referenced in http://packages.debian.org ! |
| 22:30.47 | rahul | Decepticon: so read the man page. |
| 22:31.01 | Decepticon | rahul if you read earlier, i dont have a monitor for that computer, and im not on linux right now |
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| 22:31.23 | Decepticon | forget it |
| 22:31.27 | rahul | Decepticon: you don't know any web browsers that work on your current OS? |
| 22:31.36 | Decepticon | not sure what you mean |
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| 22:32.35 | rahul | hrm, we have a pre-1990 internet user here |
| 22:32.42 | rahul | maybe you can use gopher... |
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| 22:33.28 | rahul | I suspect they had man pages on gopher, too... I think I might have read some on gopher |
| 22:33.28 | Decepticon | thanks, anyway |
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| 22:34.37 | daidalus13 | hello. does anybody know what filesystem i should use to mount my ipod (nano)? |
| 22:34.38 | sysop2 | hey Decepticon look at your priv msg |
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| 22:35.41 | Decepticon | sysop2, i dont see anything |
| 22:35.41 | krazykit | daidalus13, vfat, typically |
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| 22:36.05 | CrippsFX | okay, I have mozplugger installed, and I have a section set up for the MIME type: video/divx (and file extension *.divx), but when I try to view videos on http://stage6.divx.com I still get a big white box that says "click here to download plugin" ... has anybody else run into this issue, or the issue of mplayerplugin not playing the divx files for iceweasel? |
| 22:36.15 | daidalus13 | ksazykit: I am using vfat but I have the following error message. ca you help? |
| 22:36.19 | themill_ | Decepticon: any reason you want 2s interval not 1s interval? |
| 22:36.21 | rahul | sysop2: you can't msg. you're not identified to services. |
| 22:36.21 | daidalus13 | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, |
| 22:36.21 | daidalus13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.21 | daidalus13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:36.44 | Decepticon | themill_, no particular reason, i dont want to hammer my other machine |
| 22:36.55 | sysop2 | http://fgouget.free.fr/bing/ping_src-man.shtml |
| 22:37.01 | themill_ | Decepticon: 1 packet/s isn't going to hurt ;) |
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| 22:37.20 | themill_ | Decepticon: and it will be a lot easier for you to not worry about it. |
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| 22:38.13 | sysop2 | hi does anyone have any suggestions about my hdd problem? I dd ed a usb image to my hdd by mistake. what can I do. I just need to get some files off. |
| 22:38.37 | themill_ | enyc: does too... wow... I'd only noticed the css goodness so far. |
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| 22:39.21 | themill_ | enyc: I hope that doesn't mean that more people will start blindly using backports for everything thought. |
| 22:39.26 | themill_ | *though |
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| 22:40.15 | PietroGiovanni | any suggestions on this? http://paste.lisp.org/display/47184 |
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| 22:41.15 | null | Hello, on some foo.c I see #if 0 #enfif what is #if 0 ? |
| 22:41.33 | daidalus13 | any suggestions about a good debian forum? I posted a problem on www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help but I have no reply at all |
| 22:41.48 | rahul | null: try #c |
| 22:42.24 | themill_ | null: it's a preprocessor command that will always evaluate to false and leave that block of code out. |
| 22:42.59 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: do you have entries in /dev/pts? |
| 22:43.13 | null | themill_: so never use it? |
| 22:43.43 | PietroGiovanni | themill_: no |
| 22:43.57 | PietroGiovanni | creating a subdir named 0 didnt work either |
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| 22:43.59 | themill_ | null: Yes. The block of code between #if and #endif will be ignored by the compiler and will not be included in the program. |
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| 22:44.30 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: it shouldn't be a subdir etc, it should have character devices. |
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| 22:44.49 | themill_ | do you have an entry for devpts in the output of the command mount? |
| 22:44.52 | PietroGiovanni | themill_: nothing's there |
| 22:45.06 | PietroGiovanni | output of the command mount? |
| 22:45.12 | null | themill_: what is the idea to use that instead of /* */ ? |
| 22:45.14 | pipeline | themill_, PietroGiovanni : The mount command just reads /etc/mtab. It may or may not reflect the actual state of the kernel :P |
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| 22:45.31 | pipeline | themill_, PietroGiovanni : Better to "ls -a /dev/pts" and see if you get anything but . and .. |
| 22:45.56 | themill_ | pipeline: /dev/pts is empty. It doesn't tell us whether the pts file system is mounted though |
| 22:46.11 | PietroGiovanni | pipeline: i cant open konsole, so i cant ls nothing... wich is very frustrating |
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| 22:46.50 | themill_ | null: you'd have to ask the developers that. It's usually used to switch bits of code in and out easily. The keywords for you to google are "C preprocessor" |
| 22:47.17 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: I presume that no other terminal works (xterm) or even console |
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| 22:48.13 | PietroGiovanni | none of those installed |
| 22:48.16 | CrippsFX | if you define a *commented out* piece of code using the preprocessor instead of commetns, then when the preprocessor processes the code, it cuts that section out entirely, and makes for smaller binaries |
| 22:48.19 | pipeline | themill_, PietroGiovanni : Combination of empty /dev/pts and inability to open xterm or konsole tells us that the devpts filesystem is not in fact mounted. Almost any action will cause a unix98 pty to be allocated. |
| 22:48.36 | pipeline | themill_, PietroGiovanni : I'm kind of surprised xterm doesn't work . I didn't know it was an obligatory user of unix98 ptys |
| 22:48.37 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 22:48.56 | pipeline | themill_, PietroGiovanni : Lastly, if you mount devpts twice, that's ok :P |
| 22:49.29 | PietroGiovanni | pipeline: shoudlnt that pts thing be working like "on demand" |
| 22:49.29 | stoned | pipe |
| 22:49.29 | stoned | er.. line |
| 22:49.29 | pipeline | PietroGiovanni: It could, if you configured an automounter. But.. err... why? You WILL need unix98 ptys :P |
| 22:49.30 | themill_ | pipeline: yes, thank you. that's where we were going. |
| 22:49.38 | CrippsFX | null, that last one was for you. |
| 22:49.53 | null | CrippsFX: ahh thanks :) |
| 22:49.54 | PietroGiovanni | pipeline, themill_ : i have no idea how to mount them |
| 22:50.17 | themill_ | CrippsFX: the preprocessor cuts out comments too. what do you mean |
| 22:50.48 | null | CrippsFX: so, to use #if 0 is for small binaries, isn't it? |
| 22:50.56 | themill_ | null: comments or preprocessor make for no difference to binary size |
| 22:50.57 | CrippsFX | themill_, I'd like to see your source for that. |
| 22:51.01 | null | better than /* */ |
| 22:51.06 | pipeline | PietroGiovanni: mount -t devpts /dev/pts |
| 22:51.08 | CrippsFX | null, yes. |
| 22:51.09 | themill_ | CrippsFX: run cpp yourself |
| 22:51.14 | pipeline | PietroGiovanni: rather, mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts |
| 22:51.15 | themill_ | bollox |
| 22:51.19 | PietroGiovanni | pipeline: and where should that go? |
| 22:51.27 | pipeline | PietroGiovanni: It's a command line. |
| 22:51.28 | CrippsFX | themill_, cpp eh? don't you mean gcc or g++ ? |
| 22:51.38 | PietroGiovanni | pipeline: but i never needed it before... |
| 22:51.42 | themill_ | CrippsFX: no, cpp... the C pre processor |
| 22:51.47 | pipeline | themill_: This should be pretty obvious. Comments are stripped before the compiler ever sees the code :P |
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| 22:51.58 | themill_ | yep... that's what I'm saying |
| 22:52.56 | pipeline | CrippsFX: That was supposed to go to you. |
| 22:52.56 | themill_ | pipeline: :) |
| 22:52.56 | pipeline | CrippsFX: We don't need to cite "sources" to discuss the basic nuts and bolts of C. |
| 22:52.57 | pipeline | CrippsFX: I can refer you to a beginner's level textbook, but that seems a touch trite. I'm sure you have the judgement to pick one for yourself. |
| 22:52.59 | PietroGiovanni | brb, will try that mount thing |
| 22:53.19 | CrippsFX | pipeline, I'm having a bad day; thank you for being so *kind* as to insinuate that I'm a beginner when I made an honest mistake. fuck off. |
| 22:53.33 | pipeline | CrippsFX: It's not an honest mistake to be an asshole to people trying to help you. It's just being an asshole :) |
| 22:54.08 | pipeline | themill_: the sunday that never ended |
| 22:55.25 | CrippsFX | pipeline, no; It's seeing something that could be considered insulting and taking it as such. Again: I've had a bad day; that makes it very easy for me to see the worst in everything anybody says. |
| 22:55.25 | themill_ | CrippsFX: just make your mistakes politely and noone will worry ;) |
| 22:55.41 | CrippsFX | themill_, duly noted. |
| 22:55.45 | themill_ | !beer CrippsFX |
| 22:55.50 | themill_ | sounds like you need one! |
| 22:56.05 | CrippsFX | themill_, you have no idea how much I need one right now. |
| 22:56.15 | themill_ | !beer CrippsFX |
| 22:56.30 | themill_ | at last! a european beer... |
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| 22:58.58 | PietroGiovanni | pipeline: it worked this time |
| 22:58.58 | PietroGiovanni | pipeline: will i have to do that mount after every reboot? |
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| 22:59.13 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: no, you shouldn't need to at all. |
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| 22:59.48 | joelmichael | i have a process that is stuck on disk access, it appears, and i can't even kill -9 it |
| 22:59.57 | joelmichael | or ctrl-c it |
| 22:59.58 | PietroGiovanni | themill_: you mean i shoudlnt need it at all _after_ the first time or never should have? |
| 23:00.06 | joelmichael | wondering if anyone had any ideas |
| 23:00.25 | osmosis | what version of xen is in etch ? |
| 23:00.27 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: should never need to have been run. Should be completely automatic. Linux would really suck if you had to do that yourself ;) |
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| 23:01.07 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: have you been monkeying around with what services are run on startup? |
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| 23:02.24 | earnest | you know what? my blank cds from yesterday were probably blank really; i bought new ones today and they didnt work on my software either; so now im burning the new blank ones on a new software; i will try the old ones and they will probably work, so i could've installed debian yesterday, but oh well. i know you guys care a lot about this, so i'm telling you in great detail |
| 23:02.46 | earnest | how's everyone doing? |
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| 23:03.10 | earnest | i have a feeling i'm going to have a debian system today |
| 23:03.16 | kaos_nk | is there any way to install vlc in lenny? |
| 23:03.24 | fsmunoz | earnest: good, thanks for asking |
| 23:03.30 | themill_ | joelmichael: is it chewing cpu (in top)? What's it's state in ps axf? |
| 23:03.43 | null | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.46 | sysop2 | hey earnest, are you a turtle? |
| 23:03.56 | earnest | sysop2: i'm not :) |
| 23:04.03 | earnest | sysop2: are you? :) |
| 23:04.13 | sysop2 | you bet your sweet ass I am |
| 23:04.22 | earnest | a ninja one?! |
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| 23:04.38 | PietroGiovanni | themill_: y major monkied with dpkg... i moved my hard drive from my comp to my gf's and back to my comp |
| 23:04.39 | PietroGiovanni | :P |
| 23:04.40 | null | what's wrong with this channel today? :) |
| 23:04.52 | themill_ | mondayitis |
| 23:04.58 | earnest | sysop2: null is asking us, i suppose |
| 23:05.03 | null | yep :) |
| 23:05.13 | themill_ | stoned: you been handing stuff around again? |
| 23:05.17 | earnest | hehe; i guess i'm just happy that i will be try to install a debian system |
| 23:05.35 | earnest | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:06.03 | earnest | all the children say: we don't need another hero |
| 23:06.06 | rocketmagnet | hi, how to add a new virtual host with the default install ? |
| 23:06.10 | joelmichael | this probably isnt good but ps ax stalls out partway through |
| 23:06.10 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: hmmm... that shouldn't do it. |
| 23:06.22 | PietroGiovanni | thats all i did |
| 23:06.23 | joelmichael | also just realized this is on a gentoo machine so i'm probably asking in the wrong place |
| 23:06.29 | PietroGiovanni | dpkg-reconf -a |
| 23:06.34 | PietroGiovanni | at my gfs and here |
| 23:06.39 | themill_ | joelmichael: is it an nfs device? |
| 23:06.40 | PietroGiovanni | and gksu is fubar too |
| 23:06.52 | joelmichael | yes |
| 23:06.56 | wreis | i'm trying to install the debian from a bootp/tftp server and i'm getting the msg: image file too large for low memory |
| 23:06.59 | joelmichael | i tried umounting it but |
| 23:07.00 | joelmichael | no help |
| 23:07.10 | joelmichael | load has gone up since i did the ps |
| 23:07.14 | joelmichael | no cpu usage though |
| 23:07.15 | themill_ | joelmichael: nfs.... love it when it works, loate it when it doesn't |
| 23:07.16 | joelmichael | but load is at like 4 |
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| 23:07.46 | wreis | someone can help me? |
| 23:08.31 | themill_ | wreis: we can't if we don't know what the problem is.... |
| 23:08.32 | pipeline | PietroGiovanni: Any luck? |
| 23:08.52 | wreis | themill_: scroll up ^^, please |
| 23:08.57 | themill_ | pipeline: yes, just need to make it permanent ;) |
| 23:09.16 | pipeline | joelmichael: load primarily pertains to number of processors contending resources. Maybe they're competing for something other than CPU time. (e.g. i/o devices?) |
| 23:09.25 | pipeline | themill_, PietroGiovanni : /etc/fstab should have a devpts line in it. |
| 23:09.51 | themill_ | pipeline: sure? I've not seen one that does. udev handles it |
| 23:10.09 | PietroGiovanni | one sec |
| 23:10.12 | wreis | themill_: i'm trying to install the debian from a bootp/tftp server and i'm getting the msg: image file too large for low memory |
| 23:10.50 | themill_ | wreis: yeah, missed it the first time. I'm not a bootp person so I can't help you there.... |
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| 23:11.25 | wreis | themill_: ok, thx |
| 23:11.54 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: does /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh exist? |
| 23:12.13 | sysop2 | is there any way to get data off my hdd if I accidently dd'ed it was a usb key image? |
| 23:12.22 | sysop2 | with a usb key image |
| 23:12.46 | PietroGiovanni | themill_: it does |
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| 23:13.51 | sysop2 | only the first 2 gig of it was over written, is there any way to access the rest of the drive? |
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| 23:14.33 | stoned | man its so hot my whole body itches cuz its so hot |
| 23:14.35 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: and is /etc/rcS.d/S04mountdevsubfs.sh a link to it? |
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| 23:16.01 | PietroGiovanni | themill_: yes it is |
| 23:16.30 | themill_ | hmmm... well, that should mount devpts for you. |
| 23:16.47 | mmnicolas | stoned: what is so hot ? |
| 23:17.08 | stoned | temperature |
| 23:17.20 | stoned | sometimes i eat spicy food and my head itches |
| 23:17.23 | stoned | i dunno why |
| 23:17.37 | rahul | freak |
| 23:17.39 | mmnicolas | too much of anything is bad |
| 23:17.46 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: does "/etc/rcS.d/S04mountdevsubfs.sh start" produce output? |
| 23:17.49 | stoned | shaddup |
| 23:17.49 | rahul | go listen to some into eternity |
| 23:17.59 | stoned | don't talk to me about music in here |
| 23:18.01 | rahul | and then buy tickets to the show |
| 23:18.03 | stoned | you always get me yelled at |
| 23:18.05 | rahul | heh |
| 23:18.07 | stoned | #music |
| 23:18.32 | PietroGiovanni | themill_: nope |
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| 23:19.38 | phlux | YAY |
| 23:19.43 | phlux | I got X working again! |
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| 23:20.13 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: it might be worthwhile grepping through your logs and dmesg to see if you can find some errors about devpts. An error message would make this all much easier. |
| 23:20.36 | PietroGiovanni | ill look into it |
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| 23:22.24 | stoned | phlux: congrats |
| 23:22.24 | themill_ | PietroGiovanni: might also be worth running that init script with sh -x /etc/rcS.d/S04mountdevsubfs.sh start to see what it actually executes. |
| 23:22.52 | phlux | Anyone using compiz? |
| 23:23.22 | themill_ | !anyone |
| 23:23.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of [someprogram]. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use [someprogram]?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 23:25.39 | earnest | man! debian says it detected a hot plugable network device! |
| 23:26.58 | earnest | hm, but it's not my wireless usb device :( |
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| 23:28.46 | phlux | !xgl |
| 23:28.46 | dpkg | xgl is, like, the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 23:28.46 | phlux | !xgl-howto |
| 23:28.46 | dpkg | [xgl-howto] xgl may or may not work on your system. Currently supports nVidia/ATI. http://battlehorse.homelinux.net/w/Wiki.jsp?page=Xgl |
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| 23:29.31 | waspius | hi i want to run linux certification test prep but i get the error no virtual java..any ideas? |
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| 23:32.20 | phlux | MAN |
| 23:32.29 | phlux | The link for xgl-howto is bad :( |
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| 23:37.32 | themill_ | phlux: please feel free to write up a better one and put it on the debian wiki ;) or let us know a better one to include in the factoid. |
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| 23:39.25 | phlux | How do I tell Debian to use Xgl instead of Xorg? |
| 23:40.03 | azeem | phlux: Debian doesn't support Xgl, you're on your own |
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| 23:43.40 | mmnicolas | Xgl is a replacement for Xorg ? |
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| 23:44.23 | pipeline | mmnicolas: Xgl is an implementation of X11 using GL primitives. Hilariously, it is in itself an X11+GLX client, and requires Xorg to run :P |
| 23:45.08 | mmnicolas | hrm, strange |
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| 23:48.08 | pipeline | mmnicolas: What you end up with is (X Client)--X11-->(Xgl)--GLX-->(X server) |
| 23:48.28 | Decepticon | what is the command to drop my ip address, and get a new one from dhcp |
| 23:48.37 | pipeline | mmnicolas: The only reason to bother, really, is to sidestep crap X11 drivers. You can paint fonts at incredible speed by implementing X11 primitives with OpenGL. |
| 23:49.02 | pipeline | Decepticon: killall dhclient; dhclient <interface> |
| 23:49.11 | pipeline | Decepticon: also, ensure that dhcpcd isn't running. |
| 23:49.24 | Decepticon | wasnt it something to do with ipconfig or ifconfig |
| 23:49.29 | Decepticon | release and renew |
| 23:49.34 | pipeline | Decepticon: that will not release your ip address, of course. Consult the dhclient man page on how to actually issue a dhcp release. |
| 23:49.46 | pipeline | Decepticon: if you release your IP, you cannot renew it, you can only request a new one. That's what a release is :P |
| 23:50.09 | pipeline | Decepticon: to simply renew your IP, kill dhclient and restart it. |
| 23:50.25 | Decepticon | alright |
| 23:52.23 | themill_ | Decepticon: you're thinking ipconfig /release under some other legacy operating system that comes from the US pacific northwest.... |
| 23:52.35 | Decepticon | or windows haha |
| 23:53.10 | pipeline | yes... dhcp is not built into the linux tcp/ip stack. It's implemented by userspace applications. |
| 23:53.19 | pipeline | not that that's good or bad. It just is. |
| 23:53.44 | pipeline | in-kernel tcp/ip is kind of necessary. in-tcp/ip dhcp is not particularly necessary. |
| 23:53.53 | pipeline | (neither is in-kernel httpd... but that didn't stop microsoft :P) |
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| 23:55.55 | spq | i will dump my database tomorrow and transfer the dump to a new server. i would like to not go the way of dump to hdd, copy with scp and check md5 sums on both servers. there must be a better way of doing it at the same time... |
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| 23:57.22 | pipeline | spq: rsync over ssh will take care of that for you :P |
| 23:57.35 | pipeline | spq: what database is this? |
| 23:57.39 | spq | pgsql |
| 23:57.55 | pipeline | spq: yeah, dump and restore is the only practical solution then. |
| 23:58.06 | spq | yea its n upgrad too |
| 23:58.23 | pipeline | spq: oh, then you REALLY have no choice. You MUST dump and restore to upgrade across pgsql major versions. |
| 23:58.33 | spq | i know |
| 23:58.48 | pipeline | You don't really need to worry about checksums or anything of that sort. That's why SSH uses TCP :P |
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| 23:59.49 | spq | then i could just use pg_dump_all|ncat <remote server> and ncat -l on the other side |
| 23:59.53 | themill_ | you could porbably dump into a tar | ssh | tar pipeline if you wanted to be fancy |
