| 00:00.06 | geo-rge | if debian and ubuntu and all the other based-on-debian dists were to form a common QA setup with one bug tracker for all of them, I'd be more inclined to say they're more similar |
| 00:00.38 | geo-rge | if they really did use just packages from that, then they -would- be the same |
| 00:00.46 | wiebel | geo-rge, true the support machinery is also very critical |
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| 00:01.10 | geo-rge | as well as what form it takes |
| 00:01.23 | wiebel | okok, you're right |
| 00:01.47 | wiebel | only I hate all RPM no matter what flavor |
| 00:01.47 | Varange | hi. I'm trying to install Debian on an IBM x335 eServer. problem is that I cannot get it to boot from the CDROM |
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| 00:02.08 | wiebel | Varange, Floppy? |
| 00:02.21 | Varange | wiebel, I have no floppies :) |
| 00:02.25 | Varange | sad, I know |
| 00:02.30 | wiebel | lol |
| 00:02.37 | geo-rge | one thing you'll find here is very strong resistance to even discuss the other dists... ask a question, and if you're found to be -running- a different dist, that resistance will likely kick in |
| 00:02.52 | Varange | there seems to have been a windahs installation on the machine... it boots into DOS |
| 00:02.55 | odine | fuck all the other dists anyways |
| 00:02.59 | odine | (excuse the language) |
| 00:03.11 | geo-rge | and people will say "ask in " (say) "ubuntu" |
| 00:03.13 | odine | debian is the ruler... ive tried all the other dists over years.. and debian has always come out on top |
| 00:03.15 | wiebel | geo-rge, that's somewhat hard for those poor LFS people ;) |
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| 00:03.31 | Varange | wiebel, maybe you know how to mount a CDROM in DOS? |
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| 00:03.39 | Varange | cos i'm lost there |
| 00:03.49 | wiebel | d: |
| 00:03.52 | geo-rge | dos? |
| 00:04.03 | Varange | geo-rge, have mercy on me. |
| 00:04.11 | geo-rge | heh |
| 00:04.21 | wiebel | geo-rge, I do agree that dos is a very different "distro" *eg* |
| 00:04.22 | Varange | geo-rge, I bought a used x335 and now I can't get the damn thing to boot a cdrom |
| 00:04.29 | geo-rge | there is not mounting on dos |
| 00:04.38 | geo-rge | there are drive letters |
| 00:04.47 | Varange | weird stuff |
| 00:04.49 | wiebel | simply d: e: f: g: |
| 00:04.52 | wiebel | should do |
| 00:05.01 | Varange | yes, there is no d: |
| 00:05.14 | Varange | weird thing, is DOS |
| 00:05.16 | wiebel | if you are lucky you already hve the cdrom driver loaded |
| 00:05.30 | Varange | all it has is command.com |
| 00:05.36 | Varange | aargghh. |
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| 00:05.39 | wiebel | dos is great, realtime al the way ;) |
| 00:05.52 | Varange | so I need to find a floppy really? |
| 00:06.23 | Varange | ok, bbl, taking a drive to the shops |
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| 00:07.22 | wiebel | omg 458 new packages, i do hope this will work ;) |
| 00:07.51 | geo-rge | good thing you're backed up... |
| 00:08.05 | wiebel | geo-rge, have you've bee serious that this channel dosn't cover sid? |
| 00:08.32 | geo-rge | well it's been sometimes said. |
| 00:08.53 | geo-rge | there has been resistance, since "how do you support something that hasn't been tested yet: |
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| 00:09.11 | wiebel | ok but sid is prefered over say "ubuntu" ;) |
| 00:09.50 | wiebel | geo-rge, well this isn't only about support, but also about discussion, isn't it? |
| 00:11.17 | wintix | is it a debian or java or azureus problem, if azureus complains about too many open files? |
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| 00:12.19 | sam1338 | for some reason when i attempt to netinst debian lenny i can connect to a wifi network and download and install it just fine. but for some reason when i try and boot lenny i cannot connect to a wifi network. |
| 00:12.37 | sam1338 | even though i can detect them |
| 00:13.01 | wiebel | sam1338, dhcp ? |
| 00:13.14 | sam1338 | wiebel what about it? |
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| 00:13.21 | Drk_Guy | !ntfs |
| 00:13.22 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 00:13.25 | wiebel | sam1338, does it use dhcp= |
| 00:13.29 | sam1338 | wiebel yes |
| 00:13.56 | wiebel | sam1338, you might want to try different dhcp clients |
| 00:14.40 | Drk_Guy | !ntfs-3g |
| 00:14.40 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a new driver for NTFS with write support, see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g for release status. Read the FAQ at http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html, also ask me about <ntfs>, <backports> (in sarge-backports) |
| 00:15.02 | bulio | how can I change my system from localhost.localdomain to something else? |
| 00:15.17 | sam1338 | wiebel how do i install new dhcp clients if i cannot connect to the net? |
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| 00:16.22 | Varange | trying to install debian, but can't boot from a CD, but the floppy drive works. How do I boot from that? |
| 00:16.29 | Varange | tom's rootboot? |
| 00:16.32 | bulio | how can I change my system from localhost.localdomain to something else? |
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| 00:17.13 | Varange | bulio, I think there's a command "hostname" |
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| 00:17.48 | Drk_Guy | !ntfsro |
| 00:17.48 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 00:17.52 | sam1338 | wiebel what dhcp client does lenny use? |
| 00:18.03 | Varange | !boot |
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| 00:18.09 | wiebel | re, sry kdm was shut down |
| 00:18.18 | wintix | Drk_Guy: Please msg the bot. Like /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 00:18.20 | sam1338 | !dhcp |
| 00:18.21 | dpkg | methinks dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 00:18.22 | Varange | ok |
| 00:18.24 | wiebel | sam1338, dhclient3 afaik |
| 00:18.29 | Drk_Guy | Ok's |
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| 00:18.52 | mesof | how do you reinstall a package? |
| 00:19.04 | nvz | mesof: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 00:19.15 | explody | bulio: /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname |
| 00:19.27 | sam1338 | wiebel my plan is to download some debian dhcp clients and then netinst debian lenny then install the dhcp clients and test them locally will that work? |
| 00:20.13 | sam1338 | wiebel also how do i change my systems configuration to use the different dhcp clients? |
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| 00:20.47 | wintix | sam1338: are you sure, you have a working wifi connection and just don't get a lease? you might just not have a wireless connection, yet. and. why not use a good old ethernet cable? |
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| 00:21.01 | nvz | you run the dhcp clients directly would be the easiest way to test them |
| 00:21.02 | deadb0x | Hey all.. anyone chroots bind9 on the latest etch? Ive run into a snag with the init |
| 00:21.12 | wiebel | sam1338, first try it manually |
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| 00:21.16 | mezoko | Hi |
| 00:21.24 | mezoko | I was wondering if debian is as shitty as ubuntu |
| 00:21.25 | sam1338 | wintix the router is far away from my pc |
| 00:21.38 | explody | mezoko: depends, how shitty is ubuntu |
| 00:21.39 | sam1338 | mezoko both are good for different people |
| 00:21.48 | mesof | is anyone familiar with linuxtrade? |
| 00:22.04 | mezoko | well I installed xubuntu, and when i loaded up terminal xorg would always crash |
| 00:22.17 | mezoko | along with the 5 other strange bugs I've had in ubuntu when trying it at different times |
| 00:22.40 | sam1338 | mezoko debian is a lot more stable |
| 00:23.10 | mezoko | ok cool |
| 00:23.13 | Varange | wiebel, will you give me a hand with installing debian on my x335... I've gone and bought a few floppies now. What do I put on the floppy? |
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| 00:23.23 | mezoko | all I need is openoffice, firefox, and cups for the most part |
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| 00:24.23 | sam1338 | wiebel manually running dhcp clients manually seems a bit difficult for me |
| 00:24.42 | Varange | mezoko, that's "all" you need? |
| 00:24.51 | nvz | redundantly being redundant seems easy enough for you |
| 00:24.52 | wintix | sam1338: try running dhclient as root. |
| 00:24.58 | wiebel | for one it's dhclient wlan* or whatever your interface is |
| 00:25.06 | nvz | how hard is it to type "dhclient", "pump".. or whatever |
| 00:25.28 | mezoko | Varange, yeah for the most part, maybe xmms |
| 00:25.43 | mezoko | this box is for my sister |
| 00:25.51 | mezoko | so she can do homework on it |
| 00:25.55 | Varange | mezoko, ah |
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| 00:27.02 | sam1338 | what does DHCPOFFER from my bthomehubs ip mean? |
| 00:27.07 | wiebel | Varange, sry I'm too much engaged with my upgrading right now, but there should be a good docu on debian.org |
| 00:27.51 | sam1338 | brb going to try my dhclient whilst not connected to net |
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| 00:28.28 | karmatronic | hey stoned there? |
| 00:29.03 | ma0n | warning: missing initializer |
| 00:29.04 | ma0n | what is this ? |
| 00:29.19 | Varange | wiebel, np, thanks |
| 00:29.20 | nvz | its a warning that you are missin initializer |
| 00:30.09 | nvz | out of context it means nothing, and since its a warning, anyone should care even less what it is |
| 00:30.15 | Varange | sam1338, it means your bthomehobs is offering your network card an IP address |
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| 00:31.11 | petemc | wols: hi |
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| 00:33.09 | ma0n | nvz i receive this messages when i recompile kernel |
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| 00:34.30 | sam1338 | if i had only one dhcp client installed would the gnome network manager automatically use it? |
| 00:34.37 | nvz | ma0n: wow, you're not much for specifics are you? |
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| 00:37.29 | ma0n | nvz if i recompile kernel with grsecurity patch i receive this messages |
| 00:37.57 | nvz | sam1338: no, it doesn't use your dhcp client its a network manager it does all that itself as far as I can tell |
| 00:38.10 | nvz | sam1338: if it used your dhcp client program, it would be listed in the depends |
| 00:38.30 | nvz | ma0n: thats interesting, really |
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| 00:39.16 | nvz | ma0n: however if you want help you are going to have to be specific about how exactly you are compiling the kernel, and where exactly you are getting the message |
| 00:39.26 | Spiritus55 | What is the package to unzip .rar's? |
| 00:39.27 | Spiritus55 | On linux? |
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| 00:39.42 | nvz | ma0n: and I for one am probably not gonna help ya cause my plans are to go to the bathroom then do bed |
| 00:39.49 | wiebel | unrar |
| 00:40.06 | nvz | you don't unzip em, you unrar em |
| 00:40.15 | nvz | unzip is for zips, unrar is for rars |
| 00:40.17 | Spiritus55 | I meant uncompress. |
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| 00:40.19 | Kbyte | Hi, anyone have builded kde 4 on debian sid/experimental? I got some problems with liblucene and strigi |
| 00:40.22 | Spiritus55 | So, unrar? |
| 00:40.26 | nvz | yep |
| 00:40.31 | nvz | !info unrar |
| 00:40.32 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 00:40.34 | nvz | !info unrar-nonfree |
| 00:40.34 | sam1338 | wiebel how do i use a dhcp client again? sorry not an advanced user |
| 00:41.10 | wiebel | sam1338, usually the name of the client followed by the interface |
| 00:41.11 | ma0n | nvz i use this http://grsecurity.net/quickstart.pdf |
| 00:41.40 | sam1338 | wiebel it now says there is something wrong with my dhcpd.conf file |
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| 00:42.39 | nvz | ma0n: call me crazy, but maybe you should just try this.. |
| 00:42.44 | nvz | !info kernel-patch-grsecurity2 |
| 00:42.47 | dpkg | kernel-patch-grsecurity2: (grsecurity kernel patch - new major upstream version), section devel, is extra. Version: 2.1.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 510 kB, Installed size: 632 kB |
| 00:43.02 | Spiritus55 | Yeah, unrar isn't a command. |
| 00:43.02 | nvz | and learn to build kernels the debian way if you are gonna ask in #debian |
| 00:43.07 | nvz | !installit |
| 00:43.08 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 00:43.10 | Spiritus55 | And I just apt-get installed unrar-free |
| 00:43.27 | Spiritus55 | Obviously. |
| 00:43.41 | ma0n | nvz http://pastebin.com/d7d831121 |
| 00:43.41 | Spiritus55 | So, what is the command to unrar? |
| 00:43.52 | nvz | dpkg -L unrar-free |
| 00:43.52 | dpkg | No packages found matching unrar-free |
| 00:44.25 | nvz | I use the unrar package if I really had to deal with that god forsaken format |
| 00:44.53 | Spiritus55 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=XIEHI0vfCBk&mode=related&search= |
| 00:45.02 | Spiritus55 | Sorry. |
| 00:45.04 | Spiritus55 | Wrong paste. |
| 00:45.11 | Spiritus55 | unrar-free - Unarchiver for .rar files |
| 00:45.16 | Spiritus55 | apt-cache search unrar |
| 00:45.35 | nvz | you probably don't have non-free in your sources line |
| 00:45.45 | Spiritus55 | $PATH? |
| 00:45.52 | nvz | no /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:45.59 | Varange | how do I put a rescue image (or any image for that matter) onto a floppy disk? |
| 00:46.09 | nvz | should say "main contrib non-free" not just "main" on the end |
| 00:46.15 | nvz | then you have to apt-get update |
| 00:46.32 | Spiritus55 | And what would that do? |
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| 00:46.54 | Spiritus55 | What is the exact url for the non-free source you speak of? |
| 00:46.55 | nvz | Spiritus55: gives you access to contrib and non-free packages instead of just main ones |
| 00:47.07 | nvz | Spiritus55: there is no exact url.. any debian mirror works |
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| 00:47.18 | Spiritus55 | nvz: What is the url of the one you use. |
| 00:47.19 | nvz | Spiritus55: each debian mirror has sections, main, contrib, and non-free |
| 00:47.49 | nvz | Spiritus55: ftp.debian.org.. what I use makes no difference.. there are hundreds and they are all the same |
| 00:48.10 | Spiritus55 | So, add non-free onto the end of a new ftp.debian.org? |
| 00:48.28 | nvz | or just add it on to the end of your source |
| 00:48.32 | deadb0x | Spiritus55: some are faster then others and have more bandwidth for downloads depending on where you live... no point in getting packages from australia if you live in alaska |
| 00:48.34 | nvz | like I said |
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| 00:49.25 | Spiritus55 | nvz: is this right: deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 00:50.07 | nvz | Spiritus55: deb-src urls are for sources, not regular binary packages.. if you don't ever download source code, then you don't need that line at all |
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| 00:52.21 | Spiritus55 | nvz: thanks, added it. |
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| 00:52.37 | Spiritus55 | nvz: now what did that do? Except for add some more packages I can download/search? |
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| 00:53.09 | nvz | Spiritus55: you have to apt-get update, to fetch the new package lists |
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| 00:53.26 | Spiritus55 | nvz: I am right now |
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| 00:53.56 | nvz | Spiritus55: main only contains 100% DFSG software, contrib and non-free are where the rest of debian packages reside |
| 00:54.09 | Spiritus55 | nvz: ok, thanks. |
| 00:57.10 | robboplus | how serious is this? |
| 00:57.11 | robboplus | W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays. |
| 00:57.11 | robboplus | W: mdadm: no arrays defined in configuration file. |
| 00:57.11 | robboplus | W: mdadm: falling back to emergency procedure in initramfs. |
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| 00:57.26 | robboplus | sorry... thought i could use 3 lines of paste here |
| 00:57.53 | robboplus | will there be trouble on reboot with such error messages? |
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| 00:59.38 | geo-rge | robboplus: "robboplus how serious is this?" was probably line #4 :) |
| 01:00.43 | robboplus | i WON! |
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| 01:00.59 | robboplus | i love to risk ending up with non-bootable remote box... |
| 01:01.09 | geo-rge | i wonton! |
| 01:01.11 | robboplus | it's like russian roulette |
| 01:01.17 | Downix | which floppy disk images do I need to do a debian floppy install over network? |
| 01:01.25 | robboplus | the beast is back :) |
| 01:01.39 | robboplus | any drinks for me? rofl |
| 01:01.55 | geo-rge | !beer robboplus |
| 01:02.01 | robboplus | many thanks |
| 01:02.07 | robboplus | can't ssh in though... |
| 01:02.20 | robboplus | oh now it worked |
| 01:02.23 | geo-rge | probably not started yet |
| 01:02.30 | robboplus | damn why does it take so long |
| 01:02.35 | robboplus | c.a. 2 mins since i get the ping |
| 01:02.42 | robboplus | it's too long imho |
| 01:02.49 | Spiritus55 | What? |
| 01:02.54 | geo-rge | cuz ut bee dowing stupf |
| 01:02.55 | Spiritus55 | Ssh'ing into irc? |
| 01:03.00 | Spiritus55 | Depends on the connection... |
| 01:03.07 | robboplus | Spiritus55 don't drink more beer tonight :) |
| 01:03.14 | Spiritus55 | !beer Spiritus55 |
| 01:03.18 | Spiritus55 | YEA! |
| 01:03.26 | robboplus | i meant why does it take 120 seconds since i get the ping to remote host until i can ssh in |
| 01:03.27 | Kevin` | latency is rather important for that, but most places are fine for ssh-irc |
| 01:03.34 | robboplus | my other box gets instant sshd |
| 01:03.43 | Spiritus55 | Sounds like something with either you connection/the server. |
| 01:03.50 | robboplus | that i know |
| 01:03.50 | Spiritus55 | There are a lot of people on freenode, in case you don't realize. |
| 01:03.52 | robboplus | but what is that :) |
| 01:03.53 | Kevin` | robboplus could be reverse dns |
| 01:03.58 | jetscreamer | i have instant ssdd |
| 01:04.00 | robboplus | Kevin` oh hm... |
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| 01:04.14 | robboplus | Kevin` in fact i had some issues with dns setup there |
| 01:04.29 | robboplus | like apache says stuff about no qualified domain etc. |
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| 01:04.41 | decan | hi everybody |
| 01:04.46 | robboplus | it's like there was something that has to timeout before i can connect |
| 01:05.20 | Kevin` | robboplus try a reverse dns lookup on yourself from the server's dns server |
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| 01:05.31 | Kevin` | ssh does that by default on connect |
| 01:05.31 | decan | can anyone help me about a problem with my PC, something called: kernel panic??? |
| 01:05.34 | Kevin` | or rather |
| 01:05.36 | Kevin` | login does |
| 01:05.39 | Kevin` | same effect |
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| 01:05.47 | Spiritus55 | decan: what is going on? |
| 01:05.54 | robboplus | Kevin` hm |
| 01:05.57 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 01:05.58 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:06.08 | pibe86 | hello, anyone, can tell me about one good paid host which works wiht linux |
| 01:06.22 | jetscreamer | jodohost.com |
| 01:06.30 | Kevin` | pibe86 works with? web host running linux you mean? |
| 01:06.38 | geo-rge | you should tell me what is going on... I will tell you what is going on... |
| 01:06.50 | Spiritus55 | pibe86: what do you mean "works" with linux? |
| 01:06.55 | geo-rge | ok, so that is not what is the lyrics are |
| 01:06.56 | pibe86 | Kevin`, yes, you are right |
| 01:07.05 | pibe86 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.14 | Spiritus55 | Most are. |
| 01:07.17 | Spiritus55 | Do you mean a shell? |
| 01:07.19 | pibe86 | Spiritus55, web host running linux |
| 01:07.21 | robboplus | also, what is the recommended txqueuelen for 100mbit-FD? |
| 01:07.22 | Spiritus55 | That recognizes linux commands? |
| 01:07.30 | decan | Spiritus55, before I launch Linux from LILO, that message: panic kernel appears and just stop loading the file s¡ystem |
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| 01:08.03 | Spiritus55 | You may need to get a rescue livecd... |
| 01:08.08 | deadb0x | decan: ewww thats gonna take awhile |
| 01:08.14 | Spiritus55 | I think that there is a rescue on the installer. |
| 01:08.14 | Kevin` | lots of web hosts run linux. probabaly most of them |
| 01:08.16 | pibe86 | Spiritus55, yes, a host that has ssh cpanel ftp mailman |
| 01:08.25 | Kevin` | ssh is less common |
| 01:08.29 | Spiritus55 | Hmmm... |
| 01:08.35 | Kevin` | why you would want ssh AND cpanel, I can't fathom ;) |
| 01:08.41 | pibe86 | Kevin`, but is so utility |
| 01:08.44 | deadb0x | decan: youll have to find a livecd/rescue disk... boot your system mount your drives and figure out why your kernel is freaking out |
| 01:08.49 | pibe86 | usefull* |
| 01:08.55 | Spiritus55 | pibe86: I don't know of any that have ssh, but I don't search all day long. So, either google or maybe ask someone else. |
| 01:09.22 | decan | deadb0x, I've already done it |
| 01:09.29 | pibe86 | Spiritus55, ok, i just want some recomendations |
| 01:09.34 | pibe86 | Spiritus55, ok, i just want some recomendation* |
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| 01:10.01 | Spiritus55 | 100webhost is pretty good. |
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| 01:10.01 | Kevin` | pibe86 if I were a professional web host (I do it very small time), I would still loathe to set up cpanel, it has very stringent requirements on the operating system, it's expensive, and ssh can do everything :) |
| 01:10.01 | coder_5 | hi! how to get the realtek 8167 (8110) 1Gbit nic to work with sarge (kernel 2.6)? do i need to compile my own kernel with CONFIG_R8169 ? or is there a package to download which contains the needed kernelmodule?? |
| 01:10.15 | Kevin` | I would probably have to set it up though. Users want it. |
| 01:10.23 | jetscreamer | i offer hsphere as cpanel |
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| 01:10.33 | jetscreamer | <--reseller |
| 01:10.38 | decan | deadb0x, but I can't, I don't know what to do |
| 01:10.52 | \amethyst | coder_5: maybe try an etch kernel... it's in the 2.6.18 packages |
| 01:11.24 | robboplus | coder_5 try 2.6.21 from backports |
| 01:11.24 | jetscreamer | woody>etch>sarge |
| 01:11.26 | pibe86 | jetscreamer, what are you offering? |
| 01:11.27 | deadb0x | decan: almost every distro has a slightly different specifics .. with lilo and with grub...theres possibly a bad modules, drivers, configuration option, hardware problem if it panics that early |
| 01:11.32 | coder_5 | \amethyst, hrmm.. i'd like to stay completely sarge. (it's a production system) |
| 01:11.38 | robboplus | coder_5 it really is improved alot |
| 01:11.48 | jetscreamer | pibe86: just go to jodohost.com and see |
| 01:11.54 | \amethyst | coder_5: if you compile your own kernel it's not completely sarge, now is it? :) |
| 01:12.00 | jetscreamer | i'm a lazy reseller |
| 01:12.00 | robboplus | coder_5 i went tru hell on 2.6.18 and 8169... trust me... it WONT WORK |
| 01:12.04 | coder_5 | robboplus, ok, so the way is to compile my own kernel (no problem with that) |
| 01:12.09 | Kevin` | decan have you given the message associated with the kernel panic? (I didn't see it) |
| 01:12.44 | robboplus | coder_5 yet it depends if that's pci or built-in chipset |
| 01:12.46 | Spiritus55 | Whenever i try to unrar a file, I get an error saying there are no files to extract. |
| 01:12.49 | Spiritus55 | When I know that there is... |
| 01:13.09 | Spiritus55 | I got unrar (non-free) and it gives me that error. |
| 01:13.11 | jetscreamer | Spiritus55: some rar formats aren't supported... like winrar3.0 iirc |
| 01:13.16 | jetscreamer | not up on it |
| 01:13.16 | Spiritus55 | Crap... |
| 01:13.19 | decan | deadb0x, the message is something like this: RAMDISK; Couldn't find valid RAm disk image starting at 0VFS: cannot open root device '803' or unknown-block (8,3)Please append a correct 'root=' boot optionkernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown wn-block(8,3) |
| 01:13.21 | Spiritus55 | So, I should just delete it? |
| 01:13.24 | jetscreamer | you might check |
| 01:13.28 | robboplus | coder_5 if it's pci then it will work.. if onboard.. forget it... different microcode and there was no workaround yet when i last tried like 2 months ago, but perhaps it's fixed in 2.6.21 |
| 01:13.32 | coder_5 | robboplus, ok, thanks, i'll uses the 2.6.21. i know how to get it to work if the kernelsources contains the driver. but can you give me a hint how to install from backports? do i need a special apt sources line, or a special apt-get ? |
| 01:13.36 | jetscreamer | did you compile that kernel, decan? |
| 01:13.45 | geo-rge | coder_5: mixed feelings about sticking with sarge... but the biggest is, "good idea, things won't change a lot if you do that" |
| 01:13.57 | robboplus | coder_5 backports? just grab .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 01:13.58 | jetscreamer | !backports |
| 01:13.58 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 01:14.31 | robboplus | coder_5 same for sources and headers - it's all there |
| 01:14.36 | jetscreamer | robboplus's way isn't nec. the best, but can work |
| 01:14.44 | jetscreamer | !simple sid backport |
| 01:14.44 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 01:14.46 | robboplus | jetscreamer yes |
| 01:14.59 | robboplus | i know it was a simple solution but it worked for me - just finished 2.6.21 :) |
| 01:15.01 | coder_5 | robboplus, ok, my nic is ONBOARD. (will it work with the 2.6.21?) |
| 01:15.01 | geo-rge | coder_5: take a look at backports.org |
| 01:15.15 | decan | Kevin`, something like this RAMDISK; Couldn't find valid RAm disk image starting at 0VFS: cannot open root device '803' or unknown-block (8,3)Please append a correct 'root=' boot optionkernel panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown wn-block(8,3) |
| 01:15.30 | robboplus | coder_5 i'm not really sure.. but i do know that onboard RTL8169 is a pain |
| 01:15.34 | geo-rge | coder_5: depends nic chipset |
| 01:15.35 | deadb0x | decan: ok sounds like your boot img isnt setup right... look for info about initramfs and grub... I havent been using debian long enough to walk you through it on irc myself |
| 01:15.35 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 01:15.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg ... |
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| 01:15.59 | jetscreamer | robboplus: try learning how to ask properly.. would ave been much faster |
| 01:16.03 | coder_5 | robboplus, geo-rge it's labeled Realtek 8110 ... something ... |
| 01:16.04 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 01:16.19 | robboplus | jetscreamer i'm not asking, i'm trying to anwser a guy |
| 01:16.25 | geo-rge | is a debian running on that now? |
| 01:16.41 | coder_5 | robboplus, geo-rge .. and int says (lspci) "8167 (Rev 10)" |
| 01:16.44 | robboplus | jetscreamer as i had tons of rtl in my head before :) |
| 01:16.51 | jetscreamer | oops i meant that for decan sorry |
| 01:16.58 | robboplus | coder_5 you sure it's not 8169 rev10? |
| 01:17.02 | jetscreamer | thought you said yes to a q i asked him.. gah |
| 01:17.05 | geo-rge | coder_5: ahh, so "yes" |
| 01:17.16 | decan | deadb0x, ok I'll search more about it, thanks for all |
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| 01:17.35 | coder_5 | robboplus, nope, it's definitely 8167. 1Gbit nic onboard. |
| 01:18.12 | rawake | how can i go to the beginning of a line when i'm in screen because ctrl+a is for screen commands when i'm in screen? |
| 01:18.19 | deadb0x | decan: check out the stuff dpkg just posted.. initrd as well |
| 01:18.25 | geo-rge | that's standard these days... and my asus onboard likes to test cables too :) |
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| 01:18.35 | coder_5 | geo-rge, "yes" means it will work with the backport kernel 2.6.21 ?? |
| 01:18.52 | robboplus | coder_5 then you might be lucky - it's a different microcode |
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| 01:19.02 | geo-rge | "yes" meaning you are running something into which yuou can run lspci :) |
| 01:19.07 | robboplus | coder_5 i would definetly try 2.6.21 and NOT 2.6.18 for that to work |
| 01:19.24 | bulio | how long does it take for munin to generate reports about two machines? |
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| 01:19.40 | bulio | I've waited 15 minutes and munin hasn't generated any reports on localhost/munin |
| 01:19.45 | geo-rge | 2x(one machine)? |
| 01:19.54 | coder_5 | robboplus, fine, thanks for your advice (i know realy well that such tips can save hours, if not days... :-) ) |
| 01:20.02 | stoned | jetscreamer: http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html |
| 01:20.11 | stoned | very interesting |
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| 01:20.28 | geo-rge | time(one machine) + time(other machine)?? |
| 01:20.28 | bulio | anyone? |
| 01:20.35 | decan | deadb0x, ok I'll check , thanks again |
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| 01:20.58 | dogmeat | is there a way to mount an iso file ? |
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| 01:21.52 | zenwryly | I have python-setuptools 0.6c6 installed by apt. Then I easy_install'ed setuptools 0.6c7 but that version isn't findable. Any ideas? I'm wondering if it's an interaction between pycentral and easy_install |
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| 01:22.31 | decan | deadb0x, according to wikipedia: A kernel panic is a action taken by an operating system upon detecting an internal fatal error from which it cannot recover |
| 01:22.33 | dogmeat | found it |
| 01:22.33 | coder_5 | geo-rge, backports.org seems half-down. the closest i got to a kernel is http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-package/ which looks wrong and has no SARGE in it.... |
| 01:22.43 | dogmeat | mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/test |
| 01:22.58 | geo-rge | there is kernel-package for sarge |
| 01:23.00 | decan | deadb0x, It's good to know it uh? |
| 01:23.23 | geo-rge | it calls the build process for whatever you're compiling |
| 01:23.41 | geo-rge | and then puts result into .deb |
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| 01:26.47 | coder_5 | robboplus, geo-rge will a vanilla - 2.6.21 do? or is the debian .deb recommended? (i can get the vanilla kernel easily from kernel.org) |
| 01:29.42 | geo-rge | coder_5: you can make-kpkg on either |
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| 01:32.18 | en1gmaa | everyone prob seen this already but i thought i would post it http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/09/05/Serious-flaw-for-Bind-8-DNS-server_1.html?source=rss&url=http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/09/05/Serious-flaw-for-Bind-8-DNS-server_1.html |
| 01:32.29 | jmichaelx | have any of you have much luck getting skype running in lenny? |
| 01:32.55 | en1gmaa | bind8 is a "SERIOUS" security risl |
| 01:32.58 | en1gmaa | risk* |
| 01:33.19 | en1gmaa | i use bind9 cause im running sid but not sure what ethch used |
| 01:33.20 | geo-rge | but I'd recommend the debian source because they applied some useful/necessary/bugfix patches and because the config file is extractable from a binary package of the same kernel version |
| 01:33.27 | geo-rge | which should work |
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| 01:35.06 | geo-rge | you can get bind9 in etch |
| 01:35.18 | en1gma | its in security updates? |
| 01:35.25 | asg | en1gma: of course it is |
| 01:35.35 | geo-rge | no, it should just be abailable |
| 01:35.36 | en1gma | dont get all hissy with me |
| 01:35.41 | geo-rge | avail |
| 01:35.44 | en1gma | not you geo-rge |
| 01:35.47 | coder_5 | geo-rge, yeah, ok, i checked it and this way should work. thankyou. a description is here: http://www.vdr-portal.de/board/thread.php?threadid=63059 |
| 01:36.00 | coder_5 | geo-rge, but i'd be interested in the first way too. where to obtain such a backported 2.6.21 .deb from? |
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| 01:36.10 | en1gma | just letting people know what i just came across |
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| 01:36.44 | asg | en1gma: and we've known about it for a while now. Anyone who runs a DNS server should be up to speed on such things. |
| 01:36.57 | en1gma | "Although Bind 9 has a better transaction ID algorithm, it could also be vulnerable, Klein wrote." |
| 01:36.59 | geo-rge | coder_5: doing the make-kpkg thing is recommended (it's just packaging); additionally feeding --initrd to make-kpkg makes things much easier (assuming you have been running initrd kernels already) |
| 01:37.23 | en1gma | bull crap just cause you run a dns server dont mean you should know anything |
| 01:37.55 | en1gma | 2 nics in a computer 1 for wan and 1 for lan and that avg user should know about a security exploit? |
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| 01:38.25 | en1gma | everyone here isnt a network enineer |
| 01:38.49 | coder_5 | geo-rge, i have no idea about initrd. i run a stock debian sarge. initrd-tools are installed. i guess i need to use the initrd option. the stock debian kernel uses initrd i think. |
| 01:40.12 | robboplus | i'm having a strange dependency prob when trying to install linux-headers 2.6.21-2-686 on etch from backports, anyone fancy having a look? http://pastebin.ca/683229 |
| 01:40.26 | robboplus | is there a way to force that? |
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| 01:40.47 | Spiritus55 | Well, I'm gone for the night. |
| 01:40.50 | Spiritus55 | See you guys later. |
| 01:41.24 | asg | en1gma: being an engineer isn't a requirement, being a responsible member of the Internet is highly encouraged. |
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| 01:41.36 | geo-rge | coder_5, I think so, yes... if you do that and you enable everything you can as modules, then you stand a better chance on getting the package installed and running (incl mounting your / which is the reason for initrd in the first place) |
| 01:42.08 | en1gma | asg that is why i posted this last part about bind9 being a risk possible too |
| 01:42.27 | en1gma | im running bind9 right now so that sucks balls |
| 01:42.51 | coder_5 | geo-rge, ok, that should work. i'll make my own kernel deb.. i guess i use tha latest stable , which is 2.6.22.6 instead 2.6.21, i think this is ok too.. |
| 01:43.06 | en1gma | 2.6.22.6 works fine for me |
| 01:43.13 | coder_5 | :-) |
| 01:43.18 | en1gma | but i not using an initrd |
| 01:43.30 | coder_5 | en1gma, did you made it by yourself using the kernel-package too? |
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| 01:43.36 | en1gma | yea |
| 01:43.46 | en1gma | compiled with no errors that im aware of |
| 01:44.09 | coder_5 | en1gma, why do you not use initrd? i got the understandiung that initrd is the default way debian sarge uses ?? |
| 01:44.10 | en1gma | didnt watch it compile cause i did it through putty so this computer could actually surf |
| 01:44.16 | SharkWave | anybody know why i can't find the man pages for sizeof (or most other calls) when i've installed manpages-dev? |
| 01:44.34 | asg | en1gma: how does that article indicate that bind 9 is at risk? |
| 01:44.35 | en1gma | nah if you dont have anything special that needs loaded up you dont have to have one |
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| 01:44.58 | en1gma | the very last line says "Although Bind 9 has a better transaction ID algorithm, it could also be vulnerable, Klein wrote." |
| 01:45.00 | asg | SharkWave: manpages-dev |
| 01:45.18 | SharkWave | already installed |
| 01:45.20 | coder_5 | en1gma, same way for me. i use windows in vmware, which tunnels a putty throught an internet vserver to my linux box behind another dsl.. (poor mans vpn) |
| 01:45.23 | SharkWave | still can't find the man pages |
| 01:45.58 | robboplus | guys, i really need your kind help.. some linux-headers madness :/ |
| 01:46.00 | en1gma | coder_5 ive never tried to do a vpn but guess what my next step is....a brouter with vpn |
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| 01:46.42 | Varange | Hi, I've just installed Debian but am having probs with aptitude. Seems to relate to upgrading of Kernel. when I try to install openssh-server, the messages tell me that I have the wrong kernel. how do I fix the apt-get database? |
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| 01:46.51 | coder_5 | en1gma, so for a stock debian srage with kernel 2.6.22.6 should i give the initrd option or not ? (i dont know much about initrd, so i've no idea about this one) |
| 01:47.11 | mesof | when will a 64bit version of java be available? does anyone know? |
| 01:47.17 | en1gma | do you have raid |
| 01:47.22 | Varange | en1gma, vpn is easy with an SSH tunnel |
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| 01:47.47 | coder_5 | en1gma, en1gma yeah, but encrypted with devicemanager, so i mount it AFTER bootup |
| 01:47.48 | asg | SharkWave: then I'd suggest 'apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search sizeof' |
| 01:48.36 | coder_5 | en1gma, with option initrd i mean last parameter in the following command: make-kpkg kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source kernel_doc --revision=dvb.0 --initrd |
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| 01:48.40 | xjkx | how many extended partitions can i have |
| 01:48.54 | en1gma | Varange cant wait to try it out...here is what im looking at for a guide so far..."http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Automatic_Bridge_Ubuntu" and another seams like i lost |
| 01:49.11 | Varange | en1gma, cool |
| 01:49.17 | en1gma | how do i tell dpkg to send a msg to someone |
| 01:49.32 | asg | en1gma: !tell <foo> about <bar> |
| 01:49.36 | robboplus | en1gma bridging isn't hard |
| 01:49.37 | en1gma | k thnx |
| 01:49.47 | Varange | so how do I fix a broken aptitude? |
| 01:49.48 | en1gma | !tell coder_5 about mantra |
| 01:49.58 | en1gma | !tell coder_5 about !mantra |
| 01:50.00 | robboplus | en1gma what kind of help do you need with bridging? |
| 01:50.05 | asg | en1gma: you probably want the kp mantra factoid |
| 01:50.14 | coder_5 | ?? |
| 01:50.24 | en1gma | i wanted to send it to coder_5 so he could read the last line |
| 01:50.31 | en1gma | where it says --initrd is optional |
| 01:50.55 | robboplus | anyone able to help me install linux-headers properly? i get some insane dependency crap |
| 01:51.03 | asg | robboplus: m-a prepare |
| 01:51.13 | en1gma | robboplus this is my current config http://pastebin.ca/682310 |
| 01:51.15 | robboplus | asg what did you mean by that? |
| 01:51.27 | en1gma | right now i have everything on seperate networks which i hear isnt good |
| 01:51.33 | en1gma | espicially for networking |
| 01:51.37 | asg | robboplus: typing 'm-a prepare' will download the relevant headers for your currently running kernel. |
| 01:51.53 | robboplus | asg hm thing is that my kernel is 2.6.21 on etch.. |
| 01:52.04 | robboplus | asg and it doesn't exist in stable officially |
| 01:52.05 | en1gma | asg i tried that command earlier and it said command not found so im not sure what pkg needs to be installed for it to work |
| 01:52.11 | en1gma | sid either |
| 01:52.24 | robboplus | en1gma i will have a look once i sort out my header prob, ok? |
| 01:52.25 | asg | en1gma: module-assistant |
| 01:52.29 | en1gma | np |
| 01:52.32 | robboplus | can help you with bridging |
| 01:52.37 | en1gma | i know a "little" about headers |
| 01:52.43 | en1gma | sweet |
| 01:52.47 | en1gma | ill be up |
| 01:52.57 | asg | robboplus: oh, a backport? |
| 01:53.00 | robboplus | asg yes |
| 01:53.03 | en1gma | and might be able to help you but anything i say i would double check with someone else |
| 01:53.15 | robboplus | asg kernel installed just fine but headers from bpo are a pain |
| 01:53.37 | robboplus | asg it starts telling me lots of crap about dependencies |
| 01:53.53 | robboplus | even with older header packages that are gone long ago.. i don't get it |
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| 01:54.14 | robboplus | en1gma i will appreciate every advice for sure |
| 01:54.32 | robboplus | is it ok to just add sid repository to my sources list? |
| 01:54.37 | robboplus | and try to apt-get headers then? |
| 01:54.47 | xored | ive just added a new partion. how do i let udev generade the /dev/sdbx entry without a reboot ? |
| 01:54.51 | asg | robboplus: it's possible that the backport maintainer didn't build linux-headers-2.6.21-2 or linux-kbuild-2.6.21. You might try manually installing those two (if they exist) |
| 01:55.12 | robboplus | asg hm... in fact apt says about missing linux-headers-2.6.21-2 |
| 01:55.13 | en1gma | robboplus 2.6.22.6 installed fine for me |
| 01:55.26 | robboplus | and also about linux-kbuild |
| 01:55.31 | robboplus | en1gma on etch? |
| 01:55.34 | en1gma | sid |
| 01:55.38 | Kevin` | xored normally the partition program you use will use an ioctl on the disk that tells the kernel to rescan the tables, udev for that is automatic |
| 01:55.43 | robboplus | well i'm using etch |
| 01:55.44 | en1gma | so that would require a bpo? |
| 01:55.48 | en1gma | ok |
| 01:55.51 | robboplus | and yes |
| 01:56.09 | xored | Kevin`: not working though |
| 01:56.12 | asg | robboplus: theoretically, they should both be available since they will have been built from the same src package. If not, the backport may be incomplete and only include the kernel. |
| 01:56.17 | en1gma | someone schooled me in bpos today kind of...or was that last night |
| 01:56.18 | Kevin` | xored is it shown in /proc/partitions? |
| 01:56.18 | en1gma | lol |
| 01:56.26 | robboplus | asg good point about linux-kbuild-2.6.21 as it seems to be missing.. but where do i get it for etch from? |
| 01:56.27 | xored | sdb7 still not present, while its created. One seconde Kevin` |
| 01:57.12 | xored | Kevin`: no its not present there |
| 01:57.16 | en1gma | i gonna read some kernel changelogs bbiam |
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| 01:57.46 | Kevin` | xored then the kernel didn't detect it. possible if it is considered in use, or if it wasn't told to |
| 01:57.46 | asg | robboplus: the only thing I can suggest is to contact the maintainer of the backport. |
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| 01:58.27 | xored | Kevin`: the drive is just created with cfdisk. Kernel is in use with an truecrypt process, or do you mean somethign ales with in use |
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| 01:59.08 | Kevin` | xored the disk in use |
| 01:59.30 | robboplus | asg ... |
| 01:59.31 | xored | Kevin`: hmm, only sda is in use with the truecryp prozess, while sdb5 is part of a raid |
| 01:59.37 | xored | ( raid 1 ) |
| 01:59.45 | Kevin` | xored normally it will let you if your just adding partitions, though, not changing any of the data thats in use. extended partition probably counts as in use |
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| 02:00.46 | asg | robboplus: I really can't suggest anything else. Backports aren't supported so you are at the mercy of those that created them. If you are inclined, you could try to build your own (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) |
| 02:01.07 | stiv2k | hi is there any possible way a dist-upgrade could have broken suspend on my laptop? cause it was working the other day and now its not |
| 02:01.09 | robboplus | asg are those guys out of mind then? to release something that doesn't work? |
| 02:01.16 | robboplus | i wasted all night for nothing |
| 02:01.24 | xored | stiv2k: ofc, the kernel |
| 02:01.54 | xored | robboplus: thats execalty the point why you should use reliable backportages |
| 02:01.56 | robboplus | asg and i'm stuck with 2.6.21 which is useless without headers because i can't compile stuff that i need against it without them |
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| 02:02.12 | xored | robboplus: download the kernel form kernel.org |
| 02:02.13 | stiv2k | xored: i use uswsusp |
| 02:02.15 | asg | robboplus: does the kernel that etch provided not work? |
| 02:02.21 | xored | you donw need the portage for that |
| 02:02.26 | en1gma | robboplus do you still have your previous kernel installed |
| 02:02.35 | robboplus | xored i'm scared to screw up and mke the box unbootable |
| 02:02.45 | xored | stiv2k: dont now that, iam only using suspend, hibernate nder gentoo |
| 02:02.48 | robboplus | asg etch provides stupid 2.6.18 |
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| 02:02.58 | en1gma | thats pretty old |
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| 02:03.06 | asg | robboplus: but does 'stupid 2.6.18' work for you? |
| 02:03.09 | robboplus | i just kicked 2.6.18 to hell |
| 02:03.19 | robboplus | no it didn't work as i expected |
| 02:03.19 | xored | robboplus: there is nothing bad with compilineg a own kernel. nobody said you should delete your old, working kernel before rebooting |
| 02:03.29 | en1gma | asg that is funny but 2.6.18 about works for everything ;) |
| 02:03.33 | xored | robboplus: exactly that was wrong |
| 02:03.43 | robboplus | xored it's a remote box.. when it won't boot there is nothing i can do anymore |
| 02:03.49 | asg | en1gma: so does 2.6.8-4 on sarge |
| 02:03.56 | en1gma | yea true |
| 02:04.12 | en1gma | with new releases i must say the kernels are pretty stable |
| 02:04.12 | xored | robboplus: sure you can, you can connect to the box by the repair system, change the grub default entry to the old kernel and your done |
| 02:04.23 | en1gma | or with official stable releases i mean |
| 02:04.23 | robboplus | why on earth there would be trouble with adding damn kernel headers? |
| 02:04.27 | stoned | dont let linus hear that you called his kernel stupid] |
| 02:04.35 | robboplus | can't i just get that from somewhere and place it on my box? |
| 02:04.46 | xored | robboplus: no. |
| 02:04.59 | overclucker | he'll sic some penguins on yeh |
| 02:05.00 | xored | you have to ue exact the headers with the patches. |
| 02:05.22 | en1gma | i watched some show the other night that had linus on it and he says hes not really the "main" programmer....he just checks stuff and hes the guy who helped it grow but not thE "main" programmer |
| 02:05.22 | robboplus | xored hm wait there is one more deb on bpo.. named patch |
| 02:05.25 | xored | I dont see your problem. If you are using not the stable etch kernel, you should compile your own one anyway. |
| 02:05.27 | robboplus | perhaps i need that too |
| 02:05.46 | yoshio | when I plug in a 16bit PCMCIA card in my x86 laptop (kernel 2.6.18-4-k7), I get --> cs: pcmcia_socket0: time out after reset <-- , but 32bit cardbus cards are OK. older kernels didn't have this problem. How do I fix this? |
| 02:05.50 | en1gma | 2.6.22.6 works good for me so far |
| 02:05.55 | robboplus | xored can't you just accept that i'm trying to make use of a bpo kernel? it should work if they released that |
| 02:06.07 | xored | and compiling a kernel which works is not hard. All you need is care for SATA / IDE and needed modules |
| 02:06.18 | xored | robboplus: 21 is UNSTABLE |
| 02:06.24 | robboplus | xored that's ALL i care about and i'm also scared about sata shit |
| 02:06.25 | xored | robboplus: you know what that means? :) |
| 02:06.28 | robboplus | that's why i won't try |
| 02:06.31 | en1gma | that is true cause its an odd number |
| 02:06.37 | en1gma | the even numbers are stable |
| 02:06.44 | robboplus | xored i already know that 21 works fine and i want it |
| 02:06.52 | Varange | will some please help me? |
| 02:07.00 | en1gma | Varange sup |
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| 02:07.11 | Varange | I have probs with APT and dunno how to fix it |
| 02:07.26 | Varange | en1gma, it's a brand new installation |
| 02:07.36 | robboplus | one more sec and i will explode.. then i will upgrade to sid |
| 02:07.38 | en1gma | uh OOOO i had those problems before once too and it was a major problem |
| 02:07.52 | xored | iam using 19 on my laptop on GENTOO !! which is masked even there. |
| 02:07.54 | Varange | during setup, it asked to upgrade to a new kernel |
| 02:08.00 | en1gma | anytime there is a problem with apt its a major problem |
| 02:08.09 | xored | so the 21 tree on debian should be read, yellow damn hot unstable |
| 02:08.21 | Varange | en1gma, now, if I try to install anything, it has endless dependency probs |
| 02:08.30 | robboplus | what is this for? linux-patch-debian-2.6.21_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_all.deb |
| 02:08.32 | Varange | damn |
| 02:08.34 | robboplus | do i need it? |
| 02:08.43 | Varange | en1gma, and what did you do? |
| 02:08.44 | xored | robboplus: yeah this should be ok, i had 21 working also, with some sata issues btw |
| 02:08.48 | en1gma | do not use apt-get clean understand? cause you still have your original pkgs there ok |
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| 02:08.57 | Varange | ok |
| 02:09.03 | robboplus | xored i AM having issues with sata on 2.6.18, that's why i need 2.6.21 |
| 02:09.22 | en1gma | i remember i reinstalled when i had a problem with apt before but someone told me that but i already had did an apt-get clean |
| 02:09.22 | robboplus | i must be doing something in a wrong way |
| 02:09.29 | yoshio | Varange: did you install stable or testing? |
| 02:09.37 | en1gma | is there a dpkg-reconfigure apt |
| 02:09.39 | robboplus | what are the steps when installing kernel from bpo? |
| 02:09.42 | xored | robboplus: all i want you to know is, dont go the half way,. Using a unstable kernel all the way means using the kernel sources. Doing so on a remote box on a production system is : stupid. |
| 02:09.58 | robboplus | xored i have to try it |
| 02:10.02 | xored | why ? |
| 02:10.04 | robboplus | all i need is damn headers |
| 02:10.06 | Varange | yoshio, dunno, but it seemed to fetch the files from a /testing directory |
| 02:10.06 | xored | why do you need 21 ? |
| 02:10.12 | robboplus | because 18 doesn't work for me |
| 02:10.27 | xored | i bet there is no particual reason. Why 18 is not working, which hardware are you using ? |
| 02:10.27 | robboplus | and i already tested one thing with 21 and it works fine |
| 02:10.33 | robboplus | so that's simple that i want 21 |
| 02:10.34 | Varange | yoshio, is that a function of the netinstall CD I downloaded? Did I get the wrong one? |
| 02:10.43 | xored | robboplus: good luck then,. |
| 02:10.53 | robboplus | xored i got X2 with via chipset.. 2.6.18 is broken |
| 02:10.53 | cafuego | 2.6.21 is old dude |
| 02:11.05 | en1gma | Varange the netinstall cd is what i did and it installs etch |
| 02:11.06 | troubled | robboplus! |
| 02:11.09 | cafuego | Use 2.6.22.5 :-) |
| 02:11.11 | en1gma | unless you change source.list |
| 02:11.14 | robboplus | cafuego that's all i can get from bpo |
| 02:11.18 | robboplus | troubled :) |
| 02:11.27 | en1gma | 2.6.22.6 fixes the brouter problem from what i read |
| 02:11.39 | cafuego | robboplus: *nod* But do custom compile one when done. |
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| 02:11.45 | en1gma | well it says it fixes the bridge and bonding problem |
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| 02:11.49 | Varange | mine is sarge I think |
| 02:11.53 | robboplus | cafuego i will... once i confirm that 21 does what i need |
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| 02:12.06 | en1gma | oh you dont have the latest netinstall cd? |
| 02:12.09 | robboplus | cafuego do you have an idea how to install headers for 21 from bpo? that's all i'm missing so far |
| 02:12.11 | Varange | en1gma, there's some message about using a etch firectory |
| 02:12.14 | Varange | directory |
| 02:12.17 | troubled | robboplus: hows the biglad doing these days? |
| 02:12.29 | robboplus | troubled he he is fine :) |
| 02:12.56 | cafuego | robboplus: No idea, but you do not need headers to boot that kernel and then custom-compile a new one. |
| 02:12.57 | markybob | how can i go about faking mouse movement? i want the mouse to just move randomly all over the screen by itself |
| 02:12.58 | Varange | how do I see whether Etch or Sarge is installed? |
| 02:13.02 | en1gma | Varange what did you pick for your enviroment...desktop...server etc... |
| 02:13.06 | cafuego | markybob: get a cat |
| 02:13.11 | Varange | en1gma, server |
| 02:13.14 | Varange | en1gma, no X |
| 02:13.14 | robboplus | cafuego i do need headers to compile something against that |
| 02:13.23 | en1gma | you can look at your /etc/apt/source.list |
| 02:13.32 | robboplus | cafuego my 21 is already up and running, just can't install headers |
| 02:13.32 | cafuego | robboplus: dunno then |
| 02:13.39 | Varange | my kernel is 2.4.26-1 |
| 02:13.46 | yoshio | Varange: type "cat /etc/debian_version" or look at /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:13.47 | en1gma | whew thats old |
| 02:13.56 | robboplus | how about if i just apt-get 21 headers from sid repository? |
| 02:14.12 | xored | Varange: tail /etc/debian_version |
| 02:14.25 | cafuego | robboplus: They probably won't match the kernel you have and thus fail horribly. |
| 02:14.26 | Varange | 3.1 it is |
| 02:14.33 | en1gma | yep thats sarge |
| 02:14.36 | robboplus | cafuego sweet |
| 02:14.51 | xored | Varange: if its fresh, reinstall it to etch or upgrade |
| 02:14.54 | aurel43 | Hi folks... I had a drive fail in a software raid (RAID5), I got a replacement which happens to be slightly smaller... mdadm --grow --size=max doesn't do anything, though (in a do-what-I-mean world, it should shrink the raid so I can add the new drive), and mdadm --grow --size=<any number I can think of> tells me I'm out of space. Any hints? |
| 02:14.54 | en1gma | Varange you should get the new netinstall cd and reinstall |
| 02:15.03 | cafuego | Unless of course you run the actual sid .21 kernel. |
| 02:15.07 | en1gma | 4.0r1 or something |
| 02:15.16 | Varange | ok |
| 02:15.19 | xored | en1gma: cant he simply upgrade ? |
| 02:15.21 | en1gma | its worth it |
| 02:15.28 | Varange | xored, how do I upgrade to etch> |
| 02:15.34 | en1gma | well yea but netinstalls are so small id just redo it |
| 02:15.38 | xored | Varange: read the docs, there are howtos |
| 02:15.44 | Varange | apt-get dist-install? |
| 02:15.51 | en1gma | apt-get update |
| 02:15.57 | Varange | thx |
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| 02:16.01 | xored | Varange: just change sources-lsit |
| 02:16.02 | en1gma | well you have to change your source.list FIRST |
| 02:16.07 | xored | to use main or etch |
| 02:16.17 | robboplus | may i please ask for sid repository that i need to add to sources.list? |
| 02:16.18 | en1gma | main contrib and non-free |
| 02:16.19 | xored | and then apt-update ( or was ist upgrade ? ) |
| 02:16.20 | robboplus | i will try to grab kernel from there |
| 02:16.29 | en1gma | and security lines need to say etch |
| 02:16.34 | xored | Varange:but i heavily advice you to read upgrade docs for issues |
| 02:16.42 | Varange | ahh that could be what the error message was referring to |
| 02:16.46 | en1gma | reinstall its easier |
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| 02:16.53 | en1gma | new netinstall cd |
| 02:16.54 | Varange | xored, I'll be sure to do that. |
| 02:17.07 | robboplus | guys how to i get access to sid repository on etch? |
| 02:17.10 | xored | Varange: i thin en1gma is rigth with the fresh install. You migth just safe time |
| 02:17.15 | robboplus | do* |
| 02:17.19 | loopdee | is there a way to install debian onto a laptop without cd/floppy maybe using the network or usb drive ? |
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| 02:17.29 | en1gma | robboplus change your /etc/apt/source.list instances |
| 02:17.33 | xored | loopdee: ofc, yous USB boot and net install |
| 02:17.34 | robboplus | loopdee netinstall |
| 02:17.40 | en1gma | from etch to sid EXCEPT the security lines |
| 02:17.44 | en1gma | leave then as etch |
| 02:17.56 | xored | better use priorities :) |
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| 02:17.57 | robboplus | en1gma so everything that says etch should go sid but NOT security |
| 02:18.03 | Varange | I'll do a fresh install. Thanks guys |
| 02:18.10 | xored | uw |
| 02:18.10 | loopdee | just boot with a usb device and run netinstall ? |
| 02:18.11 | robboplus | en1gma thank you, trying... |
| 02:18.24 | en1gma | correct and thosee "2" lines that will have sid you can also add "main contrib non-free" |
| 02:18.33 | xored | loopdee: exactly, tons of howtos for that |
| 02:18.36 | loopdee | k |
| 02:18.38 | en1gma | and comment out the cd source you dont ahve to put that in each time |
| 02:18.43 | Varange | one last thing,... I'm going to find what I thihnk is the correct netinstall image to downlaod and just confirm with you |
| 02:18.55 | robboplus | en1gma i have just one: deb http://debian.uni-essen.de/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 02:19.00 | robboplus | is that fine? |
| 02:19.01 | xored | Varange: debian.org, donwload. You only get etch there. |
| 02:19.15 | xored | Varange: etch is stable and you should in any case use it |
| 02:19.15 | en1gma | robboplus there should be 2 lines 1 is the sources |
| 02:19.18 | Varange | hmmm. I downloaded this one about four days ago |
| 02:19.19 | en1gma | which you will want |
| 02:19.31 | en1gma | maybe thats why you didnt get your 2.6.21 |
| 02:19.31 | xored | Varange: paste the link here |
| 02:19.31 | robboplus | en1gma hm got no sources here |
| 02:19.33 | en1gma | i bet* |
| 02:19.38 | robboplus | en1gma damn |
| 02:19.41 | Varange | ok, brb |
| 02:19.42 | en1gma | thats your problem |
| 02:19.50 | en1gma | you have to have sources to build |
| 02:19.51 | en1gma | :) |
| 02:19.52 | robboplus | en1gma damn damn |
| 02:19.56 | en1gma | :) |
| 02:20.01 | robboplus | en1gma how do i find out about that line? |
| 02:20.08 | troubled | xingu: jeff? |
| 02:20.11 | en1gma | let me copy mine so you can see em |
| 02:20.13 | robboplus | deb-src? |
| 02:20.15 | xored | robboplus: you really should try to read "how to make my own kernel" |
| 02:20.17 | robboplus | many thanks en1gma |
| 02:20.28 | robboplus | xored i will but not NOW |
| 02:20.35 | robboplus | i need to fix the box within 1 hour |
| 02:20.43 | xored | then i pray for you. |
| 02:20.46 | en1gma | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 02:20.46 | en1gma | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 02:20.50 | robboplus | i need a quick and dirty way that just works |
| 02:21.01 | Varange | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:21.03 | robboplus | thank you en1gma! trying that |
| 02:21.10 | xored | yeah sure thing. Quick and dirty way for kernels n remote systems. Sounds great :) |
| 02:21.12 | Varange | xored, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:21.15 | Varange | ok |
| 02:21.16 | en1gma | Varnage that looks good to me |
| 02:21.20 | xored | Varange: thats etch |
| 02:21.21 | Varange | thanks |
| 02:21.24 | en1gma | gl |
| 02:21.28 | yoshio | Varange: stable netinst is at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ , testing is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (but check known issues first, linked to on this page) |
| 02:21.37 | en1gma | stable is etch |
| 02:21.43 | xored | Varange: is this going to be a didcated or a desktop ? |
| 02:21.47 | en1gma | etch got moved to stable |
| 02:21.52 | en1gma | right? |
| 02:21.58 | Kevin` | yes |
| 02:22.00 | xored | long time ago :=) |
| 02:22.02 | robboplus | en1gma so now i have 3 lines |
| 02:22.13 | loopdee | ok so, create the usb drive a bootable with a linux kernel and copy the netinstall iso over to it it seems... |
| 02:22.14 | robboplus | en1gma two for sid/etch and one is etch (security) |
| 02:22.16 | en1gma | let me paste my whole file at pastebin 1 sec |
| 02:22.33 | robboplus | en1gma thank you but i think we have it sorted |
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| 02:22.44 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/683276 |
| 02:22.48 | en1gma | 1 sec son is iming me |
| 02:23.06 | robboplus | thank you and checking |
| 02:23.08 | en1gma | k |
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| 02:23.28 | xored | loopdee: all you need is a linux boot drive, booting it with network support will even help you downloadiing netinstall stuff afterwards |
| 02:23.54 | xored | loopdee: all you need is a *nix boot disk. Afterwards you can install any *nix |
| 02:24.06 | MrBlonde | *: as of a reboot today, i have been having a problem with repeating keys when typing in X, i.e., keys seem to "get stuck" and repeat. the problem persists regardless of the session i run, but does not appear if i don't run X and instead run just the console. changing the delay time helps but is inconvenient. can anyone offer suggestions? thanks in advance. |
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| 02:25.26 | sam1338 | hey all just installed lenny |
| 02:26.02 | sam1338 | next thing to do is to install the nvidia driver :D |
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| 02:27.14 | robboplus | ok what will happen if i go for apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 on etch? from sid rep. |
| 02:27.16 | loopdee | i need to use the usb drive as the boot disk |
| 02:27.21 | robboplus | will that work? |
| 02:27.33 | xored | anyway to let udev regnerate( generate ) the /dev/ entry for my new added partition ? |
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| 02:28.28 | Varange | MrBlonde, I had similar probs with a mandriva installation a while back |
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| 02:29.12 | Varange | MrBlonde, as far as I remember, it related to wrongly set up eth's and hostname... causing the X server to behave erratically |
| 02:29.20 | sam1338 | can anybody tell me what i need to do to my lenny sources.list to enable the sid non-free repository? |
| 02:29.27 | Varange | can't quite remember now |
| 02:29.39 | Varange | what is lenny> |
| 02:29.58 | sam1338 | lenny is testing |
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| 02:30.42 | Varange | ok |
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| 02:31.53 | MatBoy | what is the best way to make a jail for a logging in user ? I want him to get stuck in his homedir and only do things there |
| 02:32.01 | sam1338 | Varange you know what i need to do? |
| 02:32.15 | mmlj4 | MatBoy: i'd look first at rbash |
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| 02:33.03 | junix-other | hi, i am trying to install zabbix-server-mysql from sarge-backports on etch to see if it works, but it is telling me it need libsnmp5 |
| 02:33.10 | junix-other | (>=5.1) |
| 02:33.16 | junix-other | what do i need to do |
| 02:33.19 | MatBoy | mmlj4, ok, I have the idea that itĹ› not easy to setup |
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| 02:33.59 | troubled | junix-other: andrew meyer by chance? |
| 02:34.20 | junix-other | who's asking? |
| 02:34.26 | troubled | junix-other: dan :) |
| 02:34.38 | mmlj4 | rbash? very |
| 02:34.39 | troubled | junix-other: just curious if I was accurate |
| 02:34.46 | junix-other | troubled: dan?? |
| 02:34.51 | mmlj4 | just set the luser's shell to it with vipw |
| 02:34.56 | troubled | junix-other: you dont know me |
| 02:34.59 | junix-other | i don't??? |
| 02:35.14 | Codenut | hey gang |
| 02:35.19 | troubled | junix-other: im just curious if that was an accurate assumption based on your log trail |
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| 02:35.39 | junix-other | log trail?? |
| 02:36.13 | robboplus | ok... running 2.6.22-2 on etch... |
| 02:36.19 | junix-other | troubled: where are you finding this information? |
| 02:36.33 | MrBlonde | Varange: thank you for the response. i will look into that and get back to #debian with the result. thx again |
| 02:36.46 | troubled | junix-other: open your eyes a bit wider... |
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| 02:37.20 | junix-other | troubled: Roey? |
| 02:37.31 | venture37 | hi |
| 02:37.32 | xored | junix-other: =ameyer@24-107-9-39.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com): ameyer |
| 02:37.43 | junix-other | hahaha |
| 02:37.44 | troubled | junix-other: wtf is roey? sec, i got a url for you |
| 02:37.59 | junix-other | oh lord |
| 02:38.03 | junix-other | you got me |
| 02:38.14 | junix-other | my f*ing log trail |
| 02:38.29 | troubled | zomfg! |
| 02:38.47 | maxamillion | anyone know why vlc isn't included in lenny? |
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| 02:39.27 | venture37 | I have a client who has a weird request, they'd like to roll back to php 5.1, I see that php5 is now @ v 5.2.0 in the stable branch for debain, they're adament that they want 5.1 is there anyway of installing this version via 5.1 |
| 02:39.28 | xored | maxamillion: it isnt ? |
| 02:39.36 | maxamillion | xored: not showing in the repos :( |
| 02:39.37 | troubled | junix-other: it was funnier when a simpson episode came to mind. you had to be there i guess :) |
| 02:39.47 | junix-other | yeah |
| 02:39.49 | maxamillion | xored: main contrib non-free all in my sources.list |
| 02:40.01 | xored | maxamillion: iam quite glad that i use gentoo fro desktop knowing that _= |
| 02:40.04 | robboplus | how do i install gcc 4.1.3 instead of gcc 4.1.2? |
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| 02:40.14 | robboplus | i see no 4.1.3 anywhere in the cache |
| 02:40.22 | maxamillion | xored: well i actually run etch on my desktop and i have vlc, but lenny is on my laptop |
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| 02:40.32 | Codenut | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.42 | xored | robboplus: i dont even get why you bother the poeple in here. I dont even get why you use debian at all |
| 02:40.57 | sam1338 | can anybody help me with installing the nvidia driver on lenny? |
| 02:41.00 | robboplus | xored and i don't really care what you think |
| 02:41.04 | xored | maxamillion: thats quite strange. You migth have outdated mirrors ? |
| 02:41.26 | maxamillion | xored: no ... packages.debian.org also says there is no results for my search :( |
| 02:41.29 | robboplus | xored i have my kernel and headers sorted while you are still wondering what's going on and you yet dare to make personal opinions, how stupid is that? |
| 02:42.01 | robboplus | don't help if you can't but please stay away with your flames |
| 02:42.04 | stoned | man its cold in here |
| 02:42.10 | stoned | i need flames |
| 02:42.11 | xored | robboplus added to ignore list. |
| 02:42.13 | robboplus | stoned it is |
| 02:42.15 | stoned | im freezing |
| 02:42.19 | robboplus | xored great! |
| 02:42.27 | stoned | robboplus: whats going on |
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| 02:42.28 | robboplus | stoned get your guitar :) |
| 02:42.35 | stoned | unhappy with the etch kernel |
| 02:42.40 | robboplus | stoned i'm fighting some kernel madness on etch :) |
| 02:42.41 | robboplus | yeah |
| 02:43.05 | stoned | robboplus: may I ask why you need a latest kernel ? What features or functionality are you lacking in the etch 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 02:43.14 | snowbird | guitar? |
| 02:43.15 | xored | maxamillion: you looked on your etch stable, you migth used some backports ? |
| 02:43.33 | robboplus | there is a problem with sata and some other crap that is related to my mobo |
| 02:43.33 | stoned | snowbird: I've been known to suck at the guitar |
| 02:43.45 | maxamillion | xored: wait ... what? etch has it in the repos, lenny does not ... i have it for etch but would like it for lenny |
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| 02:44.04 | xored | maxamillion: you checked that on packages.debian.org ? |
| 02:44.23 | xored | maxamillion: or you just checked it in your apt-cache on both systems Ăź |
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| 02:44.25 | maxamillion | xored: yes, and it appears vlc has been removed from lenny and i don't know why |
| 02:44.32 | maxamillion | xored: packages.debian.org |
| 02:44.41 | xored | maxamillion: sound weared really |
| 02:44.44 | stoned | I don't use lenny |
| 02:44.52 | stoned | I have used sarge testing and thats it |
| 02:44.55 | maxamillion | vlc is in both sid and etch |
| 02:45.00 | robboplus | what problem is this? gcc-4.1: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 02:45.04 | xored | maxamillion: cant help you with that, sound to be quite a bug or an accident |
| 02:45.07 | troubled | stoned: lets not forget the marydoyawanna |
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| 02:45.08 | stoned | never again will I ever use testing. Always stable for servers and unstable for my desktop |
| 02:45.31 | stoned | testing has always got something missing or effed up in it |
| 02:45.57 | robboplus | stoned that's why i only took 2.6.22 kernel out of testing :) |
| 02:46.03 | robboplus | and headers |
| 02:46.04 | stoned | but hey, at least testing is supported here |
| 02:46.10 | xored | stoned: sound ok, but using gentoo on desktop sounds even better for me, but this is just a taste question i guess |
| 02:46.11 | stoned | robboplus: try not to do that |
| 02:46.26 | robboplus | stoned 2.6.18 is no option for me |
| 02:46.29 | xored | stoned: wont help advising, i tried :) |
| 02:46.32 | robboplus | i had to go for a newer one |
| 02:46.42 | stoned | robboplus: mixing and matching packages is never a good idea |
| 02:47.00 | stoned | it has the potential of causing dependency issues |
| 02:47.01 | robboplus | xored man can't you understand a simple thing? something on my X2 machine didn't work.. now it DOES WORK.. how simple is that? |
| 02:47.04 | xored | stoned: he will just crap all his system when getting unstable libc :) |
| 02:47.18 | robboplus | that guy is forcing me to use something that doesn't work or has no fix in 2.4.18 |
| 02:47.22 | robboplus | i don't get it |
| 02:47.33 | robboplus | 2.6.18* |
| 02:47.34 | stoned | robboplus: so get a newer kernel, but not from testing |
| 02:47.42 | stoned | don't mix and match testing packages with stable |
| 02:47.44 | robboplus | it works fine |
| 02:47.45 | xored | robboplus: my words, my words :) |
| 02:48.05 | robboplus | i only need to sort this out: gcc-4.1: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 02:48.07 | xored | oh, this should go to stoned robboplus , iam sorry |
| 02:48.09 | robboplus | this is ALL i will ever need |
| 02:48.39 | robboplus | there is no xserver there even, just nothing |
| 02:48.42 | xored | stoned: someone should really teach robboplus the debian lesson |
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| 02:48.54 | robboplus | xored are you here to flame? |
| 02:49.00 | robboplus | you are soon gone then |
| 02:49.03 | stoned | he isn't flaming |
| 02:49.06 | robboplus | this is a help channel |
| 02:49.12 | xored | robboplus: you just dont get it. |
| 02:49.13 | robboplus | and he is still making stupid opinions |
| 02:49.20 | stoned | ok enough |
| 02:49.33 | robboplus | stoned he made a personal opinion like 3 times already |
| 02:49.41 | stoned | ignore it |
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| 02:49.49 | dawiz | hello |
| 02:49.50 | robboplus | stoned i am trying |
| 02:49.51 | stoned | hi |
| 02:49.55 | xored | hi |
| 02:50.02 | troubled | robboplus: avert your eyes!!! |
| 02:50.09 | stoned | troubled: shush |
| 02:50.13 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 02:50.13 | dpkg | from memory, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 02:50.22 | dawiz | is this room censored too? |
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| 02:50.31 | stoned | dawiz: what the fuck? fuck no man |
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| 02:50.42 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:50.44 | stoned | yeh, its censored pretty fucking badly |
| 02:50.48 | stoned | Azar: !! my main man |
| 02:50.55 | Azar | mister stoned! |
| 02:50.58 | stoned | nice of you to drop in :) |
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| 02:51.11 | Azar | missed you and all honorables here |
| 02:51.15 | stoned | word |
| 02:51.19 | xored | Isnt Azar one of the main supporters in here together with abrotman ? |
| 02:51.21 | stoned | im gonna try to toke up a little |
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| 02:51.33 | Azar | xored: ahhhhh yes me and mister abrotman! |
| 02:51.49 | xored | then robboplus will get his flame in some seconds :) |
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| 02:51.55 | stoned | i got a usb gravis gamepad pro and im just having so much fun with it |
| 02:51.58 | Azar | sounds like "meee and mister Jonesss.. we have a thinggg going onnn" |
| 02:52.17 | jetscreamer | everyday? |
| 02:52.18 | dawiz | fuck yes |
| 02:52.20 | stoned | o_O |
| 02:52.22 | jetscreamer | 6.30? |
| 02:52.25 | dawiz | i might have found a home |
| 02:52.29 | stoned | jetscreamer: did you check out the link |
| 02:52.34 | stoned | jetscreamer: check your hilights |
| 02:52.37 | dawiz | these ppl kick me for cursing im like wtf |
| 02:52.50 | stoned | dawiz: you have a debian related question? |
| 02:52.55 | Azar | :) |
| 02:52.57 | dawiz | well |
| 02:53.07 | jetscreamer | the alien milkyway universe eating us up alive??? zomg! |
| 02:53.11 | stoned | lol |
| 02:53.12 | dawiz | not exaclty right now |
| 02:53.24 | stoned | not universe |
| 02:53.30 | jetscreamer | galaxy |
| 02:53.32 | stoned | its a new 'finding' as they say |
| 02:53.32 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 02:53.41 | dawiz | im considering migrating to deb |
| 02:53.42 | jetscreamer | i wonder about the source |
| 02:53.51 | stoned | our galaxy is actually being absorbed by the milky way galaxy |
| 02:53.55 | stoned | me too |
| 02:53.59 | jetscreamer | right |
| 02:54.00 | xored | i smell ubuntu hates!! :) |
| 02:54.13 | stoned | i would like to see an actual published scientific paper on this |
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| 02:54.29 | stoned | I hate ubuntu |
| 02:54.31 | jetscreamer | or i'd like to see nasa or whoever say it |
| 02:54.36 | jetscreamer | ubuntu does it's job |
| 02:54.38 | stoned | just the name alone pisses me off |
| 02:54.47 | stoned | ubuntu |
| 02:54.51 | jetscreamer | what more can you ask cept liking the how? |
| 02:55.00 | Azar | stoned: if our galaxy gonna be absorbed, that will not happen in our time... this job takes loonnnggg |
| 02:55.00 | jetscreamer | what pisses me off is: |
| 02:55.02 | xored | Azar: to be honest, i hate suse a bit :) Just a bit, for never finding what i would like and wasting my time with "where could this config file be located" ? |
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| 02:55.15 | jetscreamer | 'can eny1 help me fix my ubuntu????????' |
| 02:55.22 | stoned | ne1 |
| 02:55.31 | jetscreamer | oh way i forgot the caps and stuff |
| 02:55.34 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:55.36 | xored | hehe |
| 02:55.42 | Azar | xored: when I moved out of ms-world, I researched for a while to see what I could love better: so I moved to debian never look at other distros |
| 02:55.51 | stoned | well |
| 02:56.03 | stoned | in 2000 this guy in college i knew |
| 02:56.10 | stoned | he was in something called cyberarmy .com |
| 02:56.15 | Varange | hi again |
| 02:56.15 | stoned | some stupid hacker club |
| 02:56.25 | Azar | stoned: I been there too |
| 02:56.28 | stoned | he said try debian, and I did, and I never used anything after that |
| 02:56.44 | xored | Azar: for me i need both beasts, gentoo and debian. One for the server and one for the desktop :) |
| 02:56.45 | Varange | while Etch is installing here... the machine will be directly on the net. What do I do about a firewall? |
| 02:56.47 | stoned | debian is the fucking shit man |
| 02:56.49 | jetscreamer | i checked out gentoo rh7.1 and woody |
| 02:56.51 | stoned | nothing tops debian in linux |
| 02:57.02 | xored | stoned: arc linux :) |
| 02:57.03 | Varange | Mandriva@!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:57.05 | stoned | maybe a cleaner openbsd |
| 02:57.20 | stoned | my distro has a bigger penis than your distro? |
| 02:57.21 | xored | stoned: ever looked at performance on openbsd ? |
| 02:57.22 | Varange | ok, ok. I like the abuse |
| 02:57.24 | Azar | xored: the way I see gentoo, is like good for get some playing around without having to obey rules |
| 02:57.37 | stoned | xored: security is a compromise my friend |
| 02:57.37 | xored | stoned: there is nothing in "o" there there is only exponetionl or linear :) |
| 02:57.58 | xored | stoned: its bad designed though, they really messed up something |
| 02:58.08 | stoned | excuse me? |
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| 02:58.25 | jetscreamer | bsd |
| 02:58.36 | stoned | bsd == bad software design? |
| 02:58.40 | Varange | so... firewall. WHat should I use |
| 02:58.46 | stoned | iptables |
| 02:58.51 | Azar | I do remember I had a bsd book with a CD installer.... that never installed |
| 02:58.53 | Varange | yes |
| 02:59.00 | stoned | !firewall |
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| 02:59.00 | dpkg | i guess firewall is a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 02:59.01 | jetscreamer | i was going to make a point that i didn't say that |
| 02:59.08 | xored | Azar: its much more then playing in my eyes, it good for newer hardware, for developer wich often need the newer versions, newer features and stuff. People which need som extra performance ( USE flags and things ). But ofc, i love my debian too! |
| 02:59.20 | jetscreamer | what you might ask is what's a good iptables front end |
| 02:59.23 | Azar | xored: sandbox |
| 02:59.26 | jetscreamer | but in a roundabout way |
| 02:59.41 | jetscreamer | so as not to get hit with !anyone et al |
| 02:59.45 | xored | stoned: you should really take some time to look at some benchmarks |
| 02:59.50 | stoned | Azar: so, when can we expect you to come to us from a HURD kernel? |
| 02:59.58 | Azar | xored: I love command line but gentoo is going too far with it |
| 03:00.01 | stoned | xored: like I said, security is a compromise |
| 03:00.05 | stoned | . |
| 03:00.07 | xored | openbsd got better ( but better out of worsed perfomance ever seen ) |
| 03:00.13 | jetscreamer | so how is debian hurd |
| 03:00.28 | Azar | stoned: when I figure out how to install it |
| 03:00.32 | dawiz | i would like to fiind a channel and distro that i can learn and teach without all the restriction ubuntu puts on their channel |
| 03:00.52 | Azar | jetscreamer: I would say like the way Debian woody was.. |
| 03:00.54 | jetscreamer | that would be anywhere but there |
| 03:00.54 | xored | Azar: gentoo is not that custom "do it all by command" then you think. Gentoo philosphy is NOT doingt it all manual..thats really the wrong even opposite thing |
| 03:00.58 | dawiz | salck is imparctical for me these days |
| 03:01.05 | stoned | dawiz: your goals are not very well thought out |
| 03:01.15 | dawiz | how so? |
| 03:01.16 | jetscreamer | dawiz: try ##linux |
| 03:01.21 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 03:01.22 | dawiz | elaborate |
| 03:01.27 | jetscreamer | /join stuff |
| 03:01.33 | dawiz | i like to get more specific |
| 03:01.39 | dawiz | obviously |
| 03:01.40 | dawiz | god |
| 03:01.45 | xored | Azar: but lets not break of a distro discusssion in here. I respect all the distros with all the needs and places there are used in |
| 03:01.49 | Azar | xored: gentoo is like trying to scratch your left year by using your right hand over your head |
| 03:01.50 | dawiz | why do geeks always have attitudes online |
| 03:01.51 | jetscreamer | /join ##linux |
| 03:01.55 | jetscreamer | /join ##perl |
| 03:01.55 | stoned | you should not consider a distro to use based on its userbase or community |
| 03:01.56 | dawiz | never like that in real life |
| 03:01.59 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 03:02.08 | xored | Azar: you ever used it for more then 2 weeks ? |
| 03:02.18 | jetscreamer | stoned you're high on crack |
| 03:02.20 | dawiz | like they grow muscles behind the pc |
| 03:02.27 | jetscreamer | that is a factor |
| 03:02.30 | stoned | jetscreamer: wtf ? |
| 03:02.32 | Azar | xored: not a fan of using my time compiling |
| 03:02.41 | loopdee | its working .... sweet ... |
| 03:02.51 | jetscreamer | not the most important, but it 'is' a factor.. how easy is it to get assistance? |
| 03:03.04 | jetscreamer | what is the dev cycle? |
| 03:03.09 | xored | Azar: just some thought to you. Iam using debian for 5 years now, 3 of them for desktop. Iam using gentoo for 2 years now. Knowing all the advantages of debian, why would i also stick with gentoo if its the way you discribed ? |
| 03:03.15 | jetscreamer | how committed are they? |
| 03:03.19 | dawiz | and im not choosing anything based on userbase or community |
| 03:03.26 | stoned | jetscreamer: yes, what did I say |
| 03:03.32 | stoned | oh jetscreamer I forgot 'only' |
| 03:03.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:03.39 | Azar | xored: gentoo is for hobbyists |
| 03:03.47 | dawiz | first and foremost is what i need a system to do |
| 03:03.48 | stoned | jetscreamer: i thought I typed it |
| 03:03.49 | xored | Azar: lol. |
| 03:04.04 | dawiz | which is why i slack isnt practical for me anymore |
| 03:04.07 | Azar | I am not sayinn is a "bad" distro..., never tryied it but read a lot about it, by users, fans.. etc |
| 03:04.17 | stoned | jetscreamer: thats what I was wtf is he on about, did he not just read what I said hehe |
| 03:04.42 | Azar | I would rather spend my time trying to learn C, python, perl.... |
| 03:05.05 | jetscreamer | i'd rather be.... |
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| 03:05.18 | jetlaw | \o/ |
| 03:05.30 | Azar | stoned: I been away because we had a major heat weather here, I don't have a/c and cant keep the PCs running on 92F |
| 03:05.47 | stoned | oi do |
| 03:05.52 | stoned | i |
| 03:06.05 | Azar | heck man , my lmsensors are RED |
| 03:06.07 | stoned | 100 even |
| 03:06.20 | jetlaw | Azar: underclocking |
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| 03:06.38 | Azar | I don't want to use any of my old PCs, can't find like them anymore |
| 03:06.53 | xored | Azar: laptop or desktop ? |
| 03:06.55 | jetlaw | run your cpu at a lower freq |
| 03:07.01 | Azar | xored: desktops only |
| 03:07.17 | Azar | jetlaw: how to do that? |
| 03:07.24 | dawiz | i think ill give deb a whirl |
| 03:07.31 | xored | Azar: i dont know for debian, but under gentoo you would emerge cpufreq and use the "powersave" governour |
| 03:07.34 | jetlaw | Azar: go in bios and set the clockspeed lower |
| 03:07.41 | stoned | Azar: depending on your bios |
| 03:07.51 | dawiz | as long as their isnt dependency nightmares equivalent to slack i think ill like it |
| 03:07.54 | Azar | ah thanks, ok I will check it out |
| 03:07.58 | xored | Azar: this is what i use for my laptop to save power what results in beeing "cooler" what would use in use case too i guess |
| 03:08.03 | jetlaw | google underclocking azar |
| 03:08.07 | stoned | Azar: your motherboard MAY or MAYNOT allow you to modify the host bus frequency or cpu multiplier, or vdimm/vcore voltates |
| 03:08.15 | jetlaw | also yeah that should work |
| 03:08.21 | xored | Azar: which CPU? |
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| 03:08.29 | jetlaw | they usually do, just how much will they let you |
| 03:08.39 | sam1338 | how do i install the propietory nvidia driver on debian lenny? |
| 03:08.40 | Azar | stoned: not even my cat can survive a 106F around.. I was happy to stay at work , they have a/c |
| 03:08.42 | stoned | Azar: my mobo/bios allow me to tweak every little thing, from memory timings to cpu clocking to voltges and bus frequencies of all major components |
| 03:08.43 | xored | No Current CPU is supported underclocking by multiplier in the bios. |
| 03:09.07 | xored | all you can do i throttle down your FSB |
| 03:09.11 | jetlaw | sam1338: you need a kernel that's not .20 or .21 or one that doesn't have paravirt_ops enabled |
| 03:09.11 | Azar | guys is it true, or I just heard ATI released its drivers to linux? |
| 03:09.12 | stoned | I overclock my cpu by 96% and undervolt it too |
| 03:09.24 | jetlaw | Azar: i saw somebody say something similar to that |
| 03:09.26 | xored | Azar: not yet, they will do so in september |
| 03:09.27 | stoned | I went from 1.8GHz to 3.5GHz |
| 03:09.28 | jetlaw | not exactly though |
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| 03:09.41 | nevyn | Azar: life is a little more complicated than that |
| 03:09.44 | stoned | and I went from 1.32500 vcore to 1.2700 |
| 03:09.45 | xored | undervolt AND overclock ? |
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| 03:09.50 | stoned | yup |
| 03:09.53 | Azar | xored: that they released a linux driver I would understand, but releasing the code? |
| 03:09.54 | xored | oO |
| 03:09.58 | stoned | 100% rock solid stable for 1 year |
| 03:09.59 | stoned | :) |
| 03:10.02 | nevyn | in aTI's most recent release there were statements about improving co-operation with the opensource community |
| 03:10.14 | Azar | stoned: you got some cock there |
| 03:10.15 | jetlaw | yeah the voltage makes heat , but i'm not up on o/c'ing anymore |
| 03:10.22 | xored | Azar: i think they still fighting in the last topic for the code release. i dont think they will release and to be honest, i understand that |
| 03:10.25 | stoned | Azar: ? |
| 03:10.29 | nevyn | no solid definition/actions relating to those statements have eventuted as yet |
| 03:10.35 | stoned | wtf dide |
| 03:10.37 | Azar | stoned: tweaking your cpu clock |
| 03:10.42 | jetlaw | i've got this celeron 333@500 though for many years |
| 03:10.52 | stoned | O |
| 03:11.16 | stoned | I've got a Core 2 E6300 which is only 220MHz from reaching 100% OC |
| 03:11.53 | Azar | found it: http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/ |
| 03:12.00 | stoned | 1866*2==1720 and I am at 3500MHz |
| 03:12.09 | stoned | er.. 3720 |
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| 03:12.54 | stoned | incpuid or something I saw core 2 e6300 can only go upto 4.0ghz |
| 03:13.03 | stoned | my board allowes for fsb upto 700myz |
| 03:13.24 | stoned | if i get some damn good cooling and some seriously fast ram, I could oc this to 4.0ghz |
| 03:13.26 | Azar | wow that's nice: To release documentation that anyone can use to build and support drivers for their chips |
| 03:13.28 | xored | good nigth guys, and help robboplus to find his path ! |
| 03:13.35 | Azar | sounds too good to be true |
| 03:13.36 | NiLon | Is there any program that could increase FSB on the fly (using Celeron Mendocino)? |
| 03:13.39 | Azar | night xored |
| 03:13.49 | robboplus | xored i'm already done |
| 03:13.52 | xored | NiLon: there are a lot |
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| 03:14.01 | robboplus | xored and everything is just fine even if that surprises you.. |
| 03:14.16 | robboplus | not everyone has to follow your track to achieve the score |
| 03:14.29 | NiLon | xored and you have hint what I should be looking for? :) |
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| 03:14.34 | xored | robboplus: you dont get it. Its not my track, its debian way. |
| 03:14.36 | RoAkSoAx | hello there, those anyone know where can i get the debian supported mirrors for sources.list? |
| 03:14.39 | robboplus | i said i had ONE hour.. and i finished on time.. i would never finish if i tried to listen to you |
| 03:14.40 | BlackMagik | could anyone point me to an example of kernel module code that works? i've spent 3 hours trying to compile a very trivial example and it doesn't work. http://bama.ua.edu/~dunna001/journeyman/html/c241.htm#jm.modules.modules.examples.xyzzy.c |
| 03:15.05 | Azar | Guerin: that does not mean that ATI/AMD drivers won't still be proprietary software, right? |
| 03:15.16 | xored | NiLon: long time ago looking for that though, its not always stable to change FSB, depends on your mobo, chipset, cpu and OS. |
| 03:15.22 | robboplus | xored i have never heard anything besides "build your own kernel" tonight from you, i can be an adviser like that as well, can even setup a bot like that |
| 03:15.47 | stoned | enough. |
| 03:15.48 | Azar | Guerin, oh Guerin please look down at the earthling expecting a verdict from you |
| 03:15.55 | robboplus | stoned ok sorry, just had to.. |
| 03:16.10 | NiLon | xored I know that, but I was looking way to do so |
| 03:16.29 | xored | robboplus: you you tried tonight is getting some bogous sid / backports sources you have no clue they are reliable and by your own words for a remote box you dont want to break. Thats just a bit "weared" :) |
| 03:17.01 | stoned | hey |
| 03:17.04 | RoAkSoAx | hello there, those anyone know where can i get the debian supported mirrors for sources.list? |
| 03:17.05 | Azar | stoned: how long you been at cyberarmy? |
| 03:17.05 | stoned | xored: go to bed. |
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| 03:17.15 | stoned | Azar: I've never been there |
| 03:17.25 | stoned | Azar: the guy who told me about debian in 2000 was there |
| 03:17.26 | Azar | stoned: I see... |
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| 03:17.51 | Azar | I found out about debian later... like in 2002 |
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| 03:18.03 | stoned | word |
| 03:18.12 | Azar | stoned: you started with potato ? |
| 03:18.21 | stoned | and carrots |
| 03:18.25 | Azar | hehe |
| 03:18.29 | stoned | :D |
| 03:18.32 | stoned | my lip is cut |
| 03:18.34 | stoned | :( |
| 03:18.37 | Azar | I did better, started with woody |
| 03:19.00 | deadb0x | I just noticed the dhcp deb package seems to be dhcp server v2.0pl5-19.5... is there a v3 deb package I missed somewhere |
| 03:19.23 | xored | NiLon: just googled a bit, cant find you a "direct" topic. Sorry you have to help yourself. I have done a lot of live FSB chaning under windows times ago and a lot of CPU clock settings under unix with undervolt kernel sources, but nothing with FSB under linux, iam sorry. |
| 03:19.57 | obnauticus | chown: cannot access `/etc/cups/cupsd.conf': No such file or directory |
| 03:19.58 | stoned | windows software i know of is called ClockGen |
| 03:19.58 | obnauticus | dpkg: error processing cupsys (--configure): |
| 03:19.58 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 03:19.59 | NiLon | xored ok, this linux is just mystery to me, I already found program for windows :P |
| 03:19.59 | obnauticus | how do i fix that? |
| 03:20.04 | Azar | deadb0x: each package has and stays with the version for its release (frozen) unless you use experimental or unstable |
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| 03:20.49 | xored | Azar: woody stayed much to long. |
| 03:21.02 | Azar | xored: because it was so good :) |
| 03:21.10 | xored | Azar: comeone :) |
| 03:21.13 | obnauticus | Anyone? |
| 03:21.15 | obnauticus | IT's easy |
| 03:21.16 | Azar | fo real |
| 03:21.21 | obnauticus | I just forgot how to do it |
| 03:21.22 | obnauticus | chown: cannot access `/etc/cups/cupsd.conf': No such file or directory |
| 03:21.27 | obnauticus | dpkg: error processing cupsys (--configure): |
| 03:21.27 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 03:21.46 | Azar | xored: if the hardware hasn't advanced so rapidly, maybe we will still be on woody |
| 03:22.02 | Azar | the major reason to get sarge out faster was newer hardware.. |
| 03:22.08 | xored | Azar: ofc, to its best times but not that long. They had that kind of old packages in there, it was crazy. It was the time i was mixing testing / stable the first timing. Leading to my "full system shutdown" :) |
| 03:22.29 | stoned | timing |
| 03:22.31 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:22.33 | stoned | wait |
| 03:22.45 | xored | "time" :) |
| 03:22.50 | Azar | xored: I did upgrade to sarge while it was in "testing" and it worked like a charm |
| 03:23.00 | jetlaw | http://www.google.com/linux?q=underclock+fsb&restrict=linux |
| 03:23.01 | stoned | http://www.fonejacker.tv/broadband.shtml |
| 03:23.03 | stoned | read this |
| 03:23.03 | xored | Azar: should have dont this too!! |
| 03:23.04 | stoned | er.. |
| 03:23.05 | deadb0x | Azar: ya I get that but Im using etch and v2 is 7 years old now.. Id rather use v3 if theres a package I just didnt see one.. maybe Im jsut blind.. Im used to compiling my own.. package management is new for me :P |
| 03:23.07 | stoned | watch thi svideo |
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| 03:23.13 | stoned | this is hilarious |
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| 03:23.31 | quasisane | deadb0x: the dhcp3-* packages are probably what you are looking for |
| 03:23.40 | Azar | xored: >> look at deadb0x, another gentoobie :) |
| 03:23.46 | xored | Azar: ok iam getting unreadable, iam off to bed. Good nigth stoned and sorry for that bit of fighting :) |
| 03:24.01 | xored | Azar: hehe it has its use ! :) |
| 03:24.18 | deadb0x | AH HA!.. thanks quasisane.. I did indeed miss those.. aptitude search isnt quite so intuitive |
| 03:24.20 | Azar | deadb0x: if you use stable, just get used with "frozen" packages, and if you "really" need a higher version use backports |
| 03:24.24 | geo-rge | deadb0x: there's nothing wrong with compiling your own stuff. make sure you put it into places debian doesn't "own" like /usr other than /usr/local |
| 03:24.35 | xored | deadb0x: emerge is not either, eix is |
| 03:24.35 | Azar | night xored |
| 03:24.37 | xored | night |
| 03:24.41 | autojack | hi, I have Debian Etch set up with SATA drives in a software RAID 1. one of the drives is failing and I need to replace it. can someone take a look at this procedure I'm about to follow to do the swap, to make sure it's sane? I found the docs a little confusing. |
| 03:24.42 | deadb0x | Azar: Actually .. slackware for the last 10 yrs |
| 03:24.47 | autojack | the drives are on a hot swap backplane. |
| 03:24.50 | Azar | deadb0x: ah, I see |
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| 03:25.05 | autojack | I'm just not positive my steps to remove and re-add a drive are valid. |
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| 03:25.18 | loupgaroublond | what is the package for f-stop? |
| 03:25.21 | Azar | deadb0x: the current "stable" of debian uses slightly older-read stable- packages |
| 03:25.32 | deadb0x | Azar: new pet project ... setting a system I can setup for a few small business clients... so package management was a must |
| 03:25.34 | stoned | Azar: did you watch the video |
| 03:25.40 | stoned | Azar: jetlaw: http://www.fonejacker.tv/broadband.shtml |
| 03:25.50 | deadb0x | Azar: ya that I can live with.. and I found dhcp v3 now |
| 03:25.57 | Azar | deadb0x: and they are not normally upgreadable via aptitude because newer versions will not be on its repository |
| 03:26.11 | geo-rge | autojack: what are you stuck on specifically? you're asking whoever here to review the entire process, regurgitate it and feed it back to you... kinda like you were a baby chick :) |
| 03:26.16 | Azar | stoned: hahahaha hehehehe |
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| 03:26.54 | deadb0x | Azar: in this case a little older but stable is just fine... anything major I can compile myself if necessary |
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| 03:27.17 | autojack | geo-rge: hah, no I worked out specifically what I think the steps are, commands and all. I just want to be sure. but ok, here are my two questions. |
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| 03:27.34 | Azar | deadb0x: even so, compiling is no needed because all newer versions are found in "testing" and "unstable" repository, ask /msg dpkg simple sid backports |
| 03:27.51 | Azar | ...or backports |
| 03:27.58 | simonrvn | backport |
| 03:28.04 | deadb0x | I started with a barebones debian.. not even the "standard" package.. nothing at all... running ldap, dns, samba, ssh, apache, mysql... I can almost see the light at the end of the tunnel |
| 03:28.09 | Azar | :D mister simonrvn !! hi |
| 03:28.11 | autojack | geo-rge: first, so I have two arrays, with sda1/sdb1 and sda2/sdb2 partitions. only the sda2 partition is showing failure. am I right in thinking that to replace the whole sda drive, I need to manually fail the sda1 raid as well before I remove the drive? |
| 03:28.18 | simonrvn | hi Azar |
| 03:28.29 | geo-rge | autojack: it's just that when you have something already you should probably share it (like you're doing now) |
| 03:28.55 | autojack | geo-rge: fair enough :) let me also pastebin my intended steps. |
| 03:28.59 | deadb0x | anyone here use webmin btw? I tried it out today.. didnt play very nice with my exotic configuration |
| 03:29.00 | Azar | debian developers made all nice convenient tools for the users it is all at our fingertips |
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| 03:29.12 | junix-other | hi, i am trying to install zabbix-server-mysql from sarge-backports on etch to see if it works, but it is telling me it need libsnmp5 (>=5.1), what do i need to do to install it? |
| 03:29.32 | jetlaw | hey autojack how did you get removed from the mach5? |
| 03:29.33 | simonrvn | deadb0x: doesn't play nice. r00t hole. don't bother with it |
| 03:29.44 | autojack | jetlaw: huh? |
| 03:29.56 | deadb0x | simonrvn: good enough I wasnt too thrilled with it in the first place but was worth a look |
| 03:30.03 | jetlaw | go speedracer |
| 03:30.15 | geo-rge | autojack: this is good :) please do, and someone (well I'm not so familiar with raid myself) will check it out :) (and now, how does it feel to be in a -two- way conversation?) |
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| 03:30.51 | autojack | heh |
| 03:30.52 | jetlaw | i see he's not familiar with the blueprints of the mach5 |
| 03:31.11 | autojack | http://pastebin.com/m688dadfb |
| 03:31.24 | autojack | those are what I think the right steps are. |
| 03:31.26 | geo-rge | deadb0x: some webmin plugins are said to work better than others |
| 03:31.38 | deadb0x | geo-rge: raid is fun... I had an interesting time trying to configure and boot linux using raid + encrypted roo + lvm (with / and swap on the lvm) |
| 03:31.42 | Penix | some webmin plugins are said to eat small children |
| 03:31.57 | robboplus | en1gma are you still around and need help with bridging? let me know please |
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| 03:32.28 | geo-rge | Penix: once they;re satiated, do they work well? :) |
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| 03:32.59 | simonrvn | no, they eat small children in order to become worse |
| 03:33.26 | geo-rge | ahh, so eating small children causes them to want to eat more small children |
| 03:33.59 | geo-rge | under the false assumption that doing so would cure them of wanting that |
| 03:34.01 | jetlaw | unless it causes them to not want to eat more small children |
| 03:34.19 | geo-rge | in which case they would get better... |
| 03:34.32 | deadb0x | just have to give them a tough chewy one from fat camp to keep them busy awhile |
| 03:34.38 | jetlaw | perhaps it makes them want older children |
| 03:34.57 | Penix | why would a software plugin want to eat older children? now you're just being silly |
| 03:35.11 | jetlaw | i've been found out |
| 03:35.31 | autojack | ok so it does seem like I have to fail sda1 if I want to remove it, even though the raid system thinks it's good. |
| 03:35.42 | autojack | it let me mdadm -r sda2, which it thinks is failed. |
| 03:35.45 | jetlaw | there's something floating in my tea |
| 03:35.52 | autojack | anyone? |
| 03:35.55 | Azar | it's stoned |
| 03:35.59 | autojack | before I just go playing hotplug cowboy? hehe |
| 03:36.05 | geo-rge | autojack: you could also back up the good one |
| 03:36.21 | autojack | well, I'm not going to actually touch/remove the good one. |
| 03:36.27 | autojack | so... :) |
| 03:36.39 | geo-rge | how would you do that? |
| 03:36.58 | geo-rge | if half the good one and half the bad one are on the drive you intend to remove... |
| 03:36.59 | autojack | the drives are in a backplane. I'm just going to pop the bad drive. |
| 03:37.04 | autojack | no no. |
| 03:37.33 | autojack | so I have /dev/md0, comprised of sda1 and sdb1, and /dev/md1 comprised of sda2 and sdb2. |
| 03:37.54 | autojack | sda2 is already marked failed by the RAID software. |
| 03:37.59 | autojack | and mdadm let me "remove" it. |
| 03:38.05 | autojack | but it won't let me "remove" sda1. |
| 03:38.14 | autojack | I think I need to manually mark sda1 failed, then remove it. |
| 03:38.19 | autojack | but... this is what I'm asking :) |
| 03:38.24 | geo-rge | so you have two drives sda and sdb? |
| 03:38.27 | autojack | yes. |
| 03:38.40 | autojack | that would be how RAID works right ;) |
| 03:38.59 | Azar | hehehe : http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/SKUd.aspx |
| 03:39.13 | geo-rge | (btw... feel free to ignore me... I'm just asking out of curiousity, and have no actual info) |
| 03:39.13 | autojack | so if I want to pull the physical disk sda, it seems that the nice way to do it is tell the system I'm bringing it down. |
| 03:39.17 | autojack | haha |
| 03:39.21 | autojack | some help you are/. |
| 03:39.33 | autojack | it's strange, there are loads of docs on how to set up a software raid, but not as much on how to swap a disk. |
| 03:40.12 | geo-rge | well I was a little help... by having you solidify and organize your info, makes that more readable, and therefore accessable to more people |
| 03:40.33 | jetlaw | !comfort geo-rge |
| 03:40.33 | dpkg | There, there, geo-rge. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:40.44 | simonrvn | autojack: yes you'll need to mark it failed |
| 03:40.59 | Azar | stoned: |
| 03:40.59 | geo-rge | some of these "more people" might have exactly the info you need |
| 03:41.15 | stoned | yo |
| 03:41.17 | autojack | simonrvn: OK. thanks! |
| 03:41.30 | simonrvn | then you can swap out the drive, put in your new one, rebuild the raid array |
| 03:41.32 | Azar | I found your next home, man, read the banner in front: http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/SKUd.aspx |
| 03:41.43 | geo-rge | and they're motivated by their own factors and by the fact you've made it simpler for them to help you |
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| 03:42.12 | simonrvn | not like this is hard, or not covered in documentation ;) |
| 03:42.19 | Azar | ..actually it should be abrotman's because it has it's favorite logo: WTF |
| 03:42.34 | simonrvn | (said doc at tldp.org , raid howto, the newer version) |
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| 03:44.56 | autojack | I just found this: http://www.howtoforge.com/replacing_hard_disks_in_a_raid1_array |
| 03:44.59 | autojack | THAT is a good doc. |
| 03:45.12 | autojack | but it says I have to power down. I assume I don't really in my particular case, since this system has a hot swap backplane. |
| 03:45.16 | geo-rge | autojack: awesome :) |
| 03:45.24 | autojack | I needed that doc a week ago. |
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| 03:46.48 | geo-rge | if you were to ask yourself, "have you ever imagined having that doc a week ago?", could you apply it today? |
| 03:47.13 | autojack | heh |
| 03:47.22 | autojack | cross your fingers please, pulling the old disk now. |
| 03:47.45 | autojack | haha |
| 03:47.47 | autojack | still up |
| 03:47.55 | autojack | impressive. |
| 03:48.16 | geo-rge | so by failing it, it copied necessary stuff to the good drive/partition? |
| 03:48.20 | autojack | no |
| 03:48.28 | autojack | RAID 1 is mirroring. |
| 03:48.34 | autojack | all disk operations are done on both disks at all times. |
| 03:48.38 | geo-rge | so it was already there |
| 03:48.43 | autojack | yes |
| 03:48.52 | autojack | failing it just told the RAID system I was taking it offline |
| 03:49.04 | autojack | if I had manually yanked the bad drive I think it would have had the same effect. |
| 03:49.08 | geo-rge | and so it might make sure the copy was good on the old good drive |
| 03:49.13 | autojack | shrug |
| 03:49.16 | autojack | I don't know what it does exactly. |
| 03:49.20 | autojack | one sec, mounting the new disk, |
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| 03:49.44 | Azar | :) how nice! packages.debian.org has been updated |
| 03:49.51 | simonrvn | yeh, it being raid 1 is an advantage |
| 03:50.08 | simonrvn | Azar: yeh, read it on the news feed yesterday |
| 03:50.15 | simonrvn | usenet rather |
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| 03:50.21 | TiMiDo | hey how do i download the c compiler? |
| 03:50.32 | simonrvn | !tell TiMiDo -about b-e |
| 03:50.38 | geo-rge | apt-get install gcc |
| 03:50.40 | geo-rge | but |
| 03:50.44 | Azar | simonrvn: you use usenet? how can I use it too? I do not have an e-mail :( |
| 03:50.48 | geo-rge | see simonrvn/dpkg |
| 03:51.05 | stoned | Azar: don't need one |
| 03:51.15 | stoned | Azar: your isp should have a new server |
| 03:51.21 | simonrvn | Azar: simple really. you can also sub to the mailing list |
| 03:51.23 | Azar | stoned: really? oh mannn.. I haven't been on usenet for like 5 years.. |
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| 03:51.41 | stoned | Azar: you don't need an email for usenet if you don't post |
| 03:51.47 | Azar | stoned: port 25 is down... at my request |
| 03:51.48 | simonrvn | yeh, my isp has a news server. i just feed that to leafnode |
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| 03:52.21 | Azar | simonrvn: so how? is there a url where I can go and access for reading? |
| 03:52.34 | geo-rge | groups.google.com? |
| 03:52.36 | autojack | ok drive is installed |
| 03:52.44 | simonrvn | um, i don't know where your isp has their news server |
| 03:52.59 | simonrvn | you can also go see where geo-rge said |
| 03:52.59 | geo-rge | it could be news.your.isp |
| 03:53.13 | simonrvn | often is ;) |
| 03:53.21 | geo-rge | but that would be too easy :P |
| 03:53.51 | simonrvn | your isp probably has a page or two where they show how to access their stuff |
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| 03:54.47 | geo-rge | that would be a good way |
| 03:55.01 | Azar | I will ask my isp... geo-rge I am not sure... long time did not accessed usenet, don't you have to have a box-based e-mail in order to get a news reader? |
| 03:55.05 | geo-rge | autojack: how's it flying? |
| 03:55.27 | simonrvn | Azar: you don't need an email account to *read* usenet |
| 03:55.45 | geo-rge | Azar: they're not actually connected in a physical way... |
| 03:55.49 | autojack | hmmmm. |
| 03:55.52 | Azar | simonrvn: I see, I got on google one |
| 03:55.56 | geo-rge | some make that requirement |
| 03:55.56 | autojack | I'm now getting i/o errors on /dev/sda |
| 03:56.00 | autojack | which is the drive I just installed. |
| 03:56.10 | autojack | simonrvn: any ideas why that might be? am I missing a step? |
| 03:56.23 | geo-rge | maybe you have to partition the drive first? |
| 03:56.49 | simonrvn | crap :/. no, if it's a hotswap backplane, and you inserted it correctly, there should be no problems |
| 03:57.02 | autojack | yeah. |
| 03:57.09 | autojack | I get errors when trying to partition it. |
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| 03:57.34 | autojack | fdisk can't read /dev/sda either |
| 03:57.52 | autojack | fdisk -l |
| 03:57.54 | autojack | oops |
| 03:58.06 | geo-rge | hmm, I wonder if you have to reboot to get the new partition table? |
| 03:58.36 | geo-rge | it makes sense outside of a raid setup... inside, it would make sense if they somehow made that unnecessary |
| 03:58.36 | simonrvn | shouldn't have to. if he didn't mount it, shouldn't matter |
| 03:58.53 | autojack | right. |
| 03:59.02 | autojack | I inserted it, then I did sfdisk -d /dev/sdb | sfdisk /dev/sda |
| 03:59.07 | simonrvn | that's in or out of a raid 1 |
| 03:59.07 | autojack | and that immediately gave an IO error. |
| 03:59.25 | autojack | dmesg is showing lots of errors on it now. |
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| 04:00.16 | simonrvn | ok, try replugging it. do it quick but carefully |
| 04:00.44 | simonrvn | make sure the contacts are clean ;p |
| 04:00.49 | troubled | simonrvn: bofh? |
| 04:01.14 | simonrvn | troubled: not right now, just that but with no b |
| 04:01.21 | simonrvn | ;P |
| 04:01.21 | autojack | still no go. |
| 04:01.23 | troubled | ;) |
| 04:01.34 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 04:01.38 | autojack | I wonder if there is something more I need to do to make the system rescan the bus? |
| 04:01.43 | autojack | hdparm? |
| 04:01.49 | simonrvn | scsi? |
| 04:01.57 | autojack | no, SATA. |
| 04:02.00 | autojack | hdparm can see it... |
| 04:02.18 | simonrvn | hmm, i wonder if the scsi tools would work |
| 04:02.21 | geo-rge | I guess the kernel would have to read the partition table |
| 04:02.25 | troubled | autojack: scsiadd? |
| 04:02.36 | troubled | simonrvn: aye |
| 04:03.02 | simonrvn | scsiadd or scsidev or whatever it's called |
| 04:03.40 | simonrvn | ok, sorta afk |
| 04:03.44 | autojack | hmmm |
| 04:03.47 | autojack | hdparm says: |
| 04:03.47 | autojack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:03.49 | autojack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.23 | troubled | autojack: try scsiadd first i would suggest |
| 04:05.29 | autojack | I don't have scsiadd. |
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| 04:05.42 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 04:05.42 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 04:06.06 | autojack | heh |
| 04:07.22 | troubled | you know its funny when you get questions like that since most people pick debian cause of its ease to install :/ |
| 04:07.35 | troubled | packages that is |
| 04:08.33 | autojack | aha |
| 04:08.42 | autojack | I didn't say I didn't know how to install :P |
| 04:08.50 | autojack | I just googled scsiadd sata |
| 04:08.55 | autojack | looks like that IS the right tool |
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| 04:09.01 | autojack | and some backplanes will detect a new drive, some won't |
| 04:09.02 | simonrvn | cool |
| 04:09.06 | simonrvn | ah |
| 04:09.08 | autojack | also sometimes a new drive will come up and get the wrong disk ID |
| 04:09.08 | troubled | i just figured it would have been the first thought in your head with debian |
| 04:09.19 | autojack | normally it would be |
| 04:09.24 | autojack | but I'm a little frazzled here :) |
| 04:09.29 | autojack | yanking drives is new to me on this box |
| 04:09.33 | autojack | I'm used to Sun D1000. |
| 04:09.34 | autojack | bomb proof. |
| 04:09.50 | troubled | "monkey flips teh switch" proof? |
| 04:09.51 | Penix | wonder if anyone's bothered making U320 PCIe adapters... |
| 04:09.53 | litage|w | if /etc/default/bootlogd contains "BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes" and /etc/init.d/bootlogd has this startup link config, why would /var/log/boot not be written to?: bootlogd S:S05 0:- 1:- 2:- 3:- 4:- 5:- 6:- |
| 04:09.59 | Penix | spose everyone's an SAS whore these days |
| 04:10.06 | troubled | Penix: heya there |
| 04:10.16 | Penix | troubled: wenas |
| 04:10.48 | troubled | Penix: bah, of course. who would tell there boss anything but the fact they _need_ $50k worth of drives no matter what :) |
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| 04:11.05 | hydoskee | how do I find out which packages are installed? |
| 04:11.07 | jesseboy12 | where do you go to statically configure the network? |
| 04:11.09 | autojack | hmmm |
| 04:11.12 | Penix | troubled: someone who doesn't know what they're doing of course ;) |
| 04:11.15 | jesseboy12 | apt-get query |
| 04:11.16 | autojack | trying to figure out waht to DO with scsiadd now. |
| 04:11.19 | autojack | it SEES my drives. |
| 04:11.25 | autojack | but if it sees them... |
| 04:11.35 | troubled | Penix: if i had a say, it would be Cray (tm) :) |
| 04:11.42 | hydoskee | apt-get query doesn't do that |
| 04:11.53 | Penix | troubled: how else are we going to run our gopher servers? |
| 04:12.01 | troubled | oi! |
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| 04:13.26 | litage|w | hydoskee: dpkg -l |
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| 04:16.05 | grew | can anyone tell me why when i start compiz-fusion on debian sid i just lose my window decorations? |
| 04:16.16 | autojack | uh oh. |
| 04:16.20 | Penix | grew: coz compiz isn't running? |
| 04:16.22 | robboplus | what does high cpu load on ksoftirqd/1 and ksoftirqd/0 indicate? |
| 04:16.27 | autojack | I'm reading that hotplug wasn't supported until 2.6.17. |
| 04:16.30 | autojack | I'm running 2.6.18. |
| 04:16.31 | autojack | er |
| 04:16.33 | autojack | reverse those. |
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| 04:17.52 | grew | Penix: it is |
| 04:18.07 | troubled | robboplus: watch -n1 /proc/interrupts |
| 04:18.14 | Penix | grew: using --replace and all that jazz? |
| 04:18.16 | robboplus | troubled hm |
| 04:18.17 | troubled | err |
| 04:18.21 | troubled | robboplus: watch -n1 cat /proc/interrupts |
| 04:18.46 | troubled | robboplus: which one is goin nutz? |
| 04:18.51 | grew | Penix: i get: |
| 04:18.52 | grew | GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is not available with direct rendering. |
| 04:18.52 | grew | GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap is available with indirect rendering. |
| 04:19.03 | robboplus | troubled thank you - just experiencing networking issues and i noticed that both are very high and whole box started to lag like crazy |
| 04:19.13 | Penix | grew: well, there you go. your driver doesn't support a key feature |
| 04:19.36 | troubled | robboplus: figured nic's, but good to be sure. not dma? or are you maxing out the nics and hitting the hd irq's hard as well? |
| 04:20.08 | robboplus | troubled hm... in fact i was moving files when it happened |
| 04:20.16 | Penix | grew: are you actually using a known-to-work 3D driver? |
| 04:20.19 | robboplus | i was also doing some xfers |
| 04:20.24 | troubled | robboplus: when what happened? |
| 04:20.35 | troubled | the high cpu usage you mean? |
| 04:20.43 | grew | Penix: im using the radeon driver which worked fine in beryl |
| 04:20.52 | robboplus | troubled when ksoftirqds went crazy and box started to lag |
| 04:20.58 | stoned | grew: which video card are you using? and which driver are you using to run it? |
| 04:21.04 | robboplus | they are constantly high now |
| 04:21.17 | robboplus | and i can hardly operate on the box at all |
| 04:21.18 | stoned | nm |
| 04:21.25 | Netham45 | looking for a PHP proxy that I can host that requires a password to connect to. |
| 04:21.34 | grew | stoned: radeon 7500 with radeon |
| 04:21.36 | grew | OK |
| 04:21.40 | grew | heres the problem |
| 04:21.43 | grew | i dont have emerald |
| 04:21.49 | grew | is there a package for it in unstable? |
| 04:22.07 | stoned | we are not going to search for you |
| 04:22.13 | stoned | !tell grew -about search |
| 04:22.23 | Penix | doesn't compiz usually build against software mesa or something?... |
| 04:22.36 | grew | stoned: searching for emerald doesnt return anything |
| 04:22.37 | robboplus | troubled is this normal? 8: 3062 2432016 IO-APIC-edge rtc |
| 04:22.44 | Penix | wrong GL lib perhaps? haven't used compiz in ages |
| 04:22.47 | stoned | then it isn't in there maybe |
| 04:22.59 | robboplus | troubled also: 16: 436 391626 IO-APIC-fasteoi sata_via |
| 04:23.04 | stoned | it could be a number of issues |
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| 04:23.20 | stoned | afaik radeon does not provide textures from pixmap extentions |
| 04:23.23 | robboplus | i'm so tired of amd based servers |
| 04:23.26 | stoned | neither does fglrx |
| 04:23.34 | robboplus | this is the LAST i ever touched in my life |
| 04:23.34 | stoned | only nvidia does, afaik, which is quite limited |
| 04:23.45 | grew | stoned: it does |
| 04:23.47 | grew | it worked fine in beryl |
| 04:23.50 | Penix | iirc Intel's latest fancy stuff does |
| 04:23.57 | troubled | robboplus: those numbers alone dont mean much. its their rate of change |
| 04:24.15 | robboplus | troubled do you have an idea how to stop the lag? |
| 04:24.22 | robboplus | i can hardly type as we speak |
| 04:24.34 | robboplus | and remote reboot is the last thing i'm going to try :( |
| 04:25.00 | robboplus | what a freaking POS :( |
| 04:25.08 | troubled | robboplus: well, sounds like something is hogging the cpu. start by renice your shell to -1 or something i guess |
| 04:25.39 | robboplus | thing is that nothing is showing up in top |
| 04:26.08 | robboplus | only ksoftirqd/1 and ksoftirqd/0, both at 12% or so |
| 04:26.31 | troubled | so it was your nic irq that was triggering fast? |
| 04:26.38 | robboplus | i guess so |
| 04:26.45 | autojack | helllllllp. |
| 04:26.47 | troubled | watch -n1 cat /proc/interrupts |
| 04:26.53 | troubled | rough estimate |
| 04:26.54 | robboplus | all this shit must have to do with via chipset on that box |
| 04:26.56 | autojack | can't get the system to recognize the new drive. |
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| 04:27.07 | robboplus | troubled i can't even watch it as it will refresh once per minute now... |
| 04:27.20 | troubled | robboplus: type: free |
| 04:27.27 | robboplus | ok |
| 04:27.30 | sparr | a program just overwrote a file with a zero-byte file. i really really need the contents of that file. the filesystem is ext2. help? |
| 04:27.35 | troubled | robboplus: whats your swap at? kinda curious |
| 04:27.47 | robboplus | i will try to tell you but really, i can hardly type |
| 04:27.52 | troubled | !undelete |
| 04:27.52 | dpkg | it has been said that undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems. |
| 04:27.53 | robboplus | it lags like 286 |
| 04:28.04 | robboplus | -/+ buffers/cache: 990444 1085244 |
| 04:28.05 | robboplus | Swap: 2096440 1041208 1055232 |
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| 04:28.41 | troubled | half into swap i see? |
| 04:28.56 | robboplus | hm looks like something ate whole 2GB of mem |
| 04:29.08 | robboplus | Mem: 2075688 2026580 49108 0 232 1035904 |
| 04:29.24 | troubled | ps and see whats taking most ram, start there i guess |
| 04:29.26 | robboplus | so this is how swapping looks like when box is out of mem lol |
| 04:29.39 | sparr | troubled: i dont see 'undelete files' in mc |
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| 04:30.02 | troubled | sparr: i didnt make the factoid ;) try apt-cache search for ext2 undelete or something perhaps |
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| 04:30.38 | troubled | sparr: although, it the file was shreded instead, you wont have any luck. |
| 04:30.41 | robboplus | troubled oh wow... i killed a 1GB sucker and it went back to normal |
| 04:30.51 | troubled | robboplus: what was running? |
| 04:31.03 | robboplus | troubled so it was a heavy swapping that was killing the box... but should it be like that? |
| 04:31.14 | grew | ok i was missing some libraries |
| 04:31.16 | robboplus | i had some service that was using that much |
| 04:31.20 | grew | now all the text is garbled |
| 04:31.20 | troubled | no, thats just what hard swap feels like |
| 04:31.28 | robboplus | damn damn |
| 04:31.39 | troubled | robboplus: you should try a forkbomb out ;) |
| 04:31.39 | robboplus | it scared me |
| 04:31.44 | robboplus | lol |
| 04:31.53 | robboplus | i still have that one handy rofl |
| 04:32.01 | robboplus | does it feel even better? |
| 04:32.48 | troubled | robboplus: yes, except it cant be stopped easily |
| 04:32.52 | robboplus | he he |
| 04:33.04 | robboplus | many thanks for your help - you saved me a remote reboot pain |
| 04:33.30 | robboplus | rule of a thumb.. never run out of physical mem... |
| 04:33.46 | grew | this is wierd |
| 04:33.58 | grew | clicking on it several times switches it from distorted to undistorted |
| 04:34.06 | troubled | no, and kick anyone who tells you to use multigig swap files that should exhaust ram earlier :) |
| 04:34.13 | troubled | s/^no/np/ |
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| 04:34.31 | robboplus | troubled lol |
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| 04:34.46 | dondelelcaro | there's nothing wrong with multigig swap files if you've got a lot of long lived applications that use a lot of memory but don't use it frequently |
| 04:35.06 | dondelelcaro | but like everything, it needs to be matched to what you're actually doing |
| 04:35.08 | robboplus | dondelelcaro i just had a lesson of hard swapping... |
| 04:35.18 | robboplus | trust me, i don't want that to happen again :) |
| 04:35.55 | dondelelcaro | eh, it's not such a big deal |
| 04:36.27 | robboplus | i have never seen a box lagging like that |
| 04:36.33 | troubled | simonrvn: bah, try 128mb you bastard |
| 04:36.37 | simonrvn | i have ;) |
| 04:36.37 | robboplus | simonrvn he he |
| 04:36.50 | simonrvn | troubled: i know, it sucks |
| 04:36.55 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: well, that's what happens when it hits swap hard. But it still responds even though it may take a while |
| 04:37.11 | simonrvn | for sure. just gotta be patient |
| 04:37.26 | robboplus | dondelelcaro that's a fact.. i'm surprised how nicely it recovered from the trouble |
| 04:37.30 | simonrvn | via ssh it gets a lot harder |
| 04:37.46 | troubled | robboplus: what was the prgram taking up 1gig anyways? |
| 04:37.50 | robboplus | as soon as i managed to kill a process that was using lots of mem it went back to normal within 1 sec |
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| 04:38.01 | simonrvn | robboplus: that's unix for ya ;). and much better schedulers in 2.6 kernels |
| 04:38.04 | robboplus | troubled a vmware box ;) |
| 04:38.10 | troubled | ah |
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| 04:38.26 | robboplus | simonrvn i just swapped to 2.6.22 and i'm very glad about that |
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| 04:38.49 | robboplus | troubled i run one more and forgot to change mem in there... they eat up whole 2 gig quickly and shit happened then |
| 04:38.51 | troubled | might wanna throttle ram back to an amount that can fit entirely in real sys ram |
| 04:39.02 | robboplus | yes |
| 04:39.04 | simonrvn | i use deadline io sched. on the beige. has scsi drives and databases |
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| 04:39.22 | dondelelcaro | yeah, if it's iceweasel, the best thing I've found is actualy to just turn off the memory cache |
| 04:39.24 | robboplus | troubled then i started moving files between them... it was flying and at some point it started to choke |
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| 04:39.35 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: in about:config? |
| 04:39.38 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah |
| 04:39.44 | simonrvn | cool thanks |
| 04:40.05 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: didn't notice much speed difference, and it stops it from eating ungodly amounts of ram |
| 04:40.16 | autojack | simonrvn: I'm getting nowhere on re-adding this disk. |
| 04:40.19 | dondelelcaro | well, rediculously ungodly; it still eats a lot |
| 04:40.21 | autojack | any other ideas? |
| 04:40.24 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yeh, i figured it might be the mem caching doing that |
| 04:40.30 | autojack | I'm freezing in this datacenter :) |
| 04:40.30 | troubled | autojack: go ide :) |
| 04:40.33 | autojack | har har |
| 04:40.45 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, was looking at xrestop; and it had allocated something like 1.4G of pixmaps |
| 04:40.46 | simonrvn | heh, bring a sweater next time ;) |
| 04:40.53 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: UGH |
| 04:41.15 | simonrvn | iceape isn't so much of a hog, but it's close |
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| 04:41.53 | robboplus | Swap: 2096440k total, 508828k used, |
| 04:41.56 | ameyer | pfft, I can use iceweasel semi-comfortably on a lappy with 128 MB of RAM |
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| 04:42.08 | robboplus | hm is there a way of flushing that? since i got 1.5GB free mem now |
| 04:42.08 | ameyer | I don't do it much, but I can |
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| 04:42.27 | troubled | robboplus: swapoff -a ; swapon -a |
| 04:42.35 | simonrvn | Mem: 313348k total, 299084k used, 14264k free, 2976k buffers; Swap: 839648k total, 298468k used, 541180k free, 109028k cached; # :( |
| 04:42.36 | autojack | fucking fuck. |
| 04:42.41 | troubled | autojack: easy! |
| 04:42.44 | autojack | heh |
| 04:42.44 | robboplus | troubled will it hurt if i try it on a running system? |
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| 04:42.49 | autojack | I have hot swap! I want it to work!! |
| 04:42.54 | autojack | I feel like I'm so close. |
| 04:42.58 | autojack | I just need to get it to see the disk!! |
| 04:43.06 | troubled | robboplus: not if you got more ram free than with is used in swap |
| 04:43.09 | simonrvn | autojack: so scsiadd didn't work? |
| 04:43.18 | robboplus | troubled but i believe that swapoff will just push everything from swap into mem, right? |
| 04:43.21 | ameyer | well, free + cache |
| 04:43.29 | autojack | simonrvn: scsiadd -p still saw two drives. |
| 04:43.30 | troubled | robboplus: for what its worth, it probably wont matter since eventually it will swap back again most likely :) |
| 04:43.34 | ameyer | and some of your swap is probably cache anyway |
| 04:43.38 | autojack | simonrvn: I think I was supposed to use scsiadd -r first. |
| 04:43.41 | robboplus | troubled what happenen now is that nearly whole vm's mem went into cache lol |
| 04:43.45 | autojack | so I did that after the fact, and now it only sees the one drive. |
| 04:43.46 | troubled | ameyer: :) |
| 04:43.47 | robboplus | into swap that is |
| 04:43.51 | autojack | and nothing will make it see the other one. |
| 04:44.02 | robboplus | let's see what happens :) |
| 04:44.03 | nrdb | I just upgraded my debain system, and my vncserver stoped working :( it says it can find the 'fixed' font, it appears to be aliased to '-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1" do I need to install a different font package ? where would this font be ? |
| 04:44.24 | simonrvn | autojack: hmm. how about putting the old one in, scsiadd -r it, insert new one, add that one |
| 04:44.28 | troubled | robboplus: roll the dice, take a chance! Money back guarentee |
| 04:44.33 | robboplus | troubled wow that was cool! |
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| 04:44.48 | zinx | !tell nrdb about fixed |
| 04:44.50 | robboplus | troubled i just saw 500+ megs being flushed in a few secs lol |
| 04:44.58 | robboplus | it looked cool in top |
| 04:45.05 | simonrvn | it's awesome |
| 04:45.09 | troubled | robboplus: oh fsck wait, did you type that command exactly the way I gave it?! |
| 04:45.18 | robboplus | troubled yes.... |
| 04:45.20 | jdavis_ | I am trying to get s-video to work with my radeon 7500 in xorg. It already works in the CLI or mplayer (when run from the CLI). Any hints? |
| 04:45.30 | troubled | robboplus: RUN! |
| 04:45.34 | robboplus | Swap: 2096440k total, 0k used, 2096440k free, |
| 04:45.35 | robboplus | where? |
| 04:45.41 | robboplus | and what did i break |
| 04:45.47 | troubled | robboplus: nothing, ;) |
| 04:45.55 | robboplus | fsck you :) |
| 04:45.58 | troubled | :p |
| 04:46.40 | robboplus | you should burn in /dev/null for that :) |
| 04:46.50 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 04:46.52 | robboplus | but seriously, is it OK to do that from time to time? |
| 04:46.57 | autojack | I don't think putting the old one in will do anything now. |
| 04:46.58 | autojack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.04 | autojack | starting to see that in dmesg. |
| 04:47.21 | simonrvn | it thinks it's gone |
| 04:47.28 | wols_ | Penix: since I am never here when you are here: http://paste2.org/p/6805 just answer any ways you like, PM or in channel |
| 04:47.37 | wols_ | petemv: since I am never here when you are here: http://paste2.org/p/6805 just answer any ways you like, PM or in channel |
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| 04:47.46 | simonrvn | i think it's confused now. |
| 04:47.57 | autojack | yeah it is. |
| 04:47.59 | troubled | robboplus: no, linux kernel for some strange reason corrupts ram every 7 times you do that, if its an hour with an even digit |
| 04:48.07 | autojack | docs say you see those errors when you unplugged without stopping it. |
| 04:48.12 | robboplus | troubled making note on that.. |
| 04:48.15 | autojack | that step isn't mentioned in the docs I read :( |
| 04:48.19 | autojack | so is there any hope? |
| 04:48.24 | autojack | or do I just give up and reboot? |
| 04:48.28 | simonrvn | reboot... |
| 04:48.32 | autojack | and hope the system can boot off sdb... |
| 04:48.36 | autojack | that's my other issue. |
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| 04:48.39 | en1gma | i ahve my linux box router that has 5 nics in it working perfect....the problem is i need to set it up so the 4 lan nics are in bridged mode....now if i have problems i want to be able to restore my current config....what all do i need to save as far as config files? i have the wan as dhcp and the 4 lans also give a dhcp to any computers that connect to it...also i have a dns server |
| 04:48.43 | robboplus | troubled but please tell me it was ok so i'm not confused anymore... |
| 04:48.45 | autojack | I don't know how to tell if grub is set up on sdb. |
| 04:48.48 | simonrvn | autojack: this a system disk? |
| 04:48.50 | autojack | any thoughts on that at least? |
| 04:48.52 | en1gma | i just dont want to miss any files that would make it not work |
| 04:48.53 | autojack | hell yeah. |
| 04:48.56 | autojack | boot and root on RAID> |
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| 04:49.04 | robboplus | troubled i could corrupt a database if it was wrong (vm was operating on one) |
| 04:49.06 | autojack | I live dangerously. |
| 04:49.07 | simonrvn | you'll have to edit menu.lst |
| 04:49.09 | troubled | robboplus: nah, go find out if it was bad for yourself ;p |
| 04:49.35 | en1gma | robboplus your still here? |
| 04:49.35 | simonrvn | otherwise it'll just stop |
| 04:49.36 | en1gma | omg |
| 04:49.47 | autojack | I know it's annoying to ask for a grub tutorial but I'm bloody tired. can you help me out with some specifics? |
| 04:49.49 | robboplus | en1gma sure, do you need help with bridging? i'm all yours |
| 04:50.14 | en1gma | yea man if you dont mind...i have a couple guides i have bookmarked but i dont think they are specific for what i want |
| 04:50.18 | robboplus | my kernel is fine now so are my headers and i want to return the favour :) |
| 04:50.26 | en1gma | sweet |
| 04:50.37 | en1gma | you remembered me :) |
| 04:50.38 | robboplus | en1gma i was doing same stuff with vbox before so i can probably help you (hopefully) |
| 04:50.48 | robboplus | troubled lol |
| 04:50.53 | en1gma | i didnt help to much but hey ill take it how i can get it :) |
| 04:50.58 | simonrvn | autojack: instead of /dev/md0 or whatever, do /dev/sda or b or whatever |
| 04:51.07 | robboplus | en1gma you did open my mind and put me on the right track |
| 04:51.14 | robboplus | that was more than enough :) |
| 04:51.26 | en1gma | well i dont know anything about vpn and dont even think i need that basically i would be happy just to get bridging to work |
| 04:51.36 | robboplus | en1gma can you show me your bridge script again? |
| 04:51.44 | en1gma | yep 1 sec. |
| 04:51.47 | robboplus | ok |
| 04:51.58 | autojack | simonrvn: I have: |
| 04:51.58 | autojack | root (hd0,0) |
| 04:51.59 | autojack | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 root=/dev/mapper/vg00-root ro |
| 04:52.03 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/682310 <<<<i believe this info is current |
| 04:52.09 | robboplus | 1sec |
| 04:52.11 | autojack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.24 | autojack | I sense that I need to change (hd0,0) to something else. |
| 04:52.30 | simonrvn | i know. so you have this vg on raid? |
| 04:52.33 | autojack | yes. |
| 04:52.38 | simonrvn | oh crap |
| 04:52.41 | autojack | haha |
| 04:52.45 | autojack | despair setting in. |
| 04:53.00 | autojack | wait wiat |
| 04:53.00 | troubled | simonrvn: wtf did you _do_!!? ;) |
| 04:53.08 | autojack | I don't have /boot in LVM. |
| 04:53.11 | autojack | but / is |
| 04:53.21 | autojack | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.25 | simonrvn | me? nothing. wouldn't work with /boot in lvm or raid anyway ;) |
| 04:53.29 | troubled | autojack: we gathered that from vg00-root :) |
| 04:53.31 | wols_ | en1gma: your firewall is bad. it goes up way AFTER your network. Ie. you will have an IP under which you are vulnerable and you're not protected by your firewall on bootup |
| 04:53.33 | autojack | hehe |
| 04:53.39 | simonrvn | aaack you have /boot in raid? |
| 04:53.44 | autojack | yeah. |
| 04:53.49 | en1gma | omg that figures. |
| 04:54.01 | wols_ | en1gma: and your fwall script is pants too. use ipmasq |
| 04:54.06 | simonrvn | well, it's raid 1, it's not so bad, but still |
| 04:54.10 | autojack | yeah |
| 04:54.15 | autojack | hey the Debian installer let me do it ;) |
| 04:54.20 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 04:54.30 | robboplus | en1gma yup |
| 04:54.32 | en1gma | i am using ipmasq i thoguht |
| 04:54.35 | en1gma | lemme look |
| 04:54.43 | autojack | so... |
| 04:54.48 | autojack | am I totally screwed? |
| 04:54.53 | wols_ | en1gma: you use a homegrown ip masquerading script. not ipmasq |
| 04:54.58 | wols_ | !info ipmasq |
| 04:55.00 | robboplus | i really couldn't have said it better.... kudos, wols :) |
| 04:55.01 | dpkg | ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.8-4 (sid), Packaged size: 79 kB, Installed size: 620 kB |
| 04:55.11 | en1gma | yea its pretty much copied from some guide i followed |
| 04:55.16 | robboplus | en1gma you were lucky to meet wols :) not much to say here he he |
| 04:55.46 | en1gma | the reason /etc/rc.local is calling the script up early is cause i wanted to have net access before i actually had to login to the computer |
| 04:55.47 | simonrvn | well, i've done this sort of thing with raid 1 only. dunno how you'd do it with lvm on top of that. i could say "it'll also work if you treat the raid 1 as a disk" but i don't have experience with doing that. i dunno how the lvm will react to just one drive in the raid active |
| 04:55.59 | wols_ | en1gma: as for your bridge setup: how far are you? |
| 04:56.00 | en1gma | cause the linux box has only 1 power cord and 5 lan cords |
| 04:56.41 | autojack | well, it's reacting OK to it now. |
| 04:56.47 | simonrvn | you can always try it out, but i'll have to say "no warranty is implied or given" |
| 04:56.47 | en1gma | i dont know anythng about it at all....i did a search for linux 2.6.22 and bridge and i started reading some people were complaining about something being broken in the kernel |
| 04:56.59 | en1gma | in the 2.6.22.6 changelog it says they fixed it |
| 04:57.05 | troubled | en1gma: hmmm, i wonder if you could power a pc via 5 POE adaptors through the nic :) |
| 04:57.21 | troubled | boy would that be a funny hack |
| 04:57.24 | simonrvn | the reboot will affect things |
| 04:57.24 | en1gma | robboplus well im not done with you tey |
| 04:57.34 | en1gma | troubled :) |
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| 04:58.01 | en1gma | what i wanted to do is plug those 4 nics into my linksys router and dos it |
| 04:58.02 | en1gma | :) |
| 04:58.06 | en1gma | see what it would do |
| 04:58.07 | troubled | autojack: what is your original problem anyways? |
| 04:58.19 | autojack | heh |
| 04:58.23 | simonrvn | you'll have to get bootloader prepared for it. the most crucial part is the box being able to mount it successfuly. which means the lvm won't puke on just the one drive |
| 04:58.27 | autojack | I had a failed drive in my RAID 1 and I tried to replace it. |
| 04:58.51 | wols_ | en1gma: http://linux-net.osdl.org/index.php/Bridge |
| 04:58.58 | robboplus | en1gma you are actually going to set your eth0 to promisc and setup br0 device |
| 04:59.04 | en1gma | in your raid bios there should be a repair or something like that |
| 04:59.10 | en1gma | wols_ checking now |
| 04:59.14 | robboplus | en1gma this takes brctl tool |
| 04:59.15 | troubled | autojack: linux software raid? |
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| 04:59.24 | autojack | yes. |
| 04:59.29 | Mordbrann | !dutch |
| 04:59.30 | dpkg | from memory, dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl |
| 04:59.36 | autojack | heh |
| 04:59.43 | autojack | SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA AT THE TIME. |
| 04:59.43 | en1gma | robboplus i think i dloaded a pkg called bridge-utils |
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| 05:00.24 | troubled | autojack: did it also seem like a good idea to test the actual recovery process after initial install? :/ |
| 05:00.24 | robboplus | wols do you mind if i ask you about stuff like brctl setfd and setmaxage or stp? how would it affect the bridge's performance? |
| 05:00.24 | robboplus | en1gma that's it |
| 05:00.39 | wols_ | robboplus: I don't but I don't know either |
| 05:00.49 | autojack | troubled: yeah yeah. that's not really helpful at this point. |
| 05:00.54 | en1gma | wols_ and robboplus i gonna tell you something you all are prob gonna hate but i best be up front now....everything in my .config and i mean everything that i have selected it build as * i have no /lib/modules |
| 05:00.57 | wols_ | only used a bridge once to sniff on a possibly compromised system with a trojan |
| 05:01.05 | en1gma | what i have selected is basically nothing and all of networking |
| 05:01.12 | robboplus | wols i think that something is hogging down networking over br0... not too sure how to investigate that |
| 05:01.13 | autojack | ok, powering down to see if it will even boot, let alone see the other disk. |
| 05:01.23 | autojack | I'll be back if it works in some way or other. |
| 05:01.23 | troubled | autojack: well, did you at least get the replacement up and running and remirrored ok? |
| 05:01.31 | autojack | troubled: no that's the whole point. |
| 05:01.32 | wols_ | en1gma: that doesn't matter as long as you have bridging support. in modules or built in is of no conequence |
| 05:01.37 | autojack | I put in the new disk and the system won't see it. |
| 05:01.38 | troubled | autojack: ok, just catching up |
| 05:01.40 | autojack | hence I'm rebooting. |
| 05:01.45 | en1gma | ok all of networking is there |
| 05:01.47 | troubled | does grub see it? |
| 05:01.48 | autojack | which blows because this box is all hot swap and sata and whatnot. |
| 05:01.57 | autojack | nothing sees the new disk. |
| 05:02.02 | autojack | grub sees _A_ disk. |
| 05:02.07 | troubled | autojack: if grub chokes, dont expect much |
| 05:02.07 | en1gma | wols_ am i just supposed to follow that guide or can you hold my hand |
| 05:02.08 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:02.09 | autojack | if I'm lucky it's the second disk in the RAID. |
| 05:02.17 | autojack | it sees it as hd0 now. |
| 05:02.29 | robboplus | en1gma the very first step is: brctl addbr br0 :) |
| 05:02.30 | wols_ | I will not hold your hand. I value thinking for oneself |
| 05:02.34 | troubled | autojack: what command line did you use with grub when you installed it? and can your current kernel mount it ok? |
| 05:02.36 | autojack | hopefully if it won't boot with the degraded array, I can at least but in the old disk and get it to boot. |
| 05:02.42 | en1gma | ok let me relook at it one sec |
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| 05:02.49 | autojack | troubled: I installed it in January, I don't really recall. |
| 05:02.51 | grew | can anyone tell me why my text is garbled once i start compiz? |
| 05:02.51 | troubled | autojack: hd0 = first disk to bios iirc |
| 05:02.51 | robboplus | en1gma step 2 is: ifconfig br0 up :) |
| 05:02.56 | autojack | yeah |
| 05:02.57 | autojack | shrug |
| 05:03.01 | autojack | there's nothing else I can do here but reboot. |
| 05:03.05 | en1gma | ok one more important thing |
| 05:03.07 | autojack | the system is fucked so it doesn't see the new disk. |
| 05:03.13 | wols_ | you shut down all the interfaces, create the bridge with what robboplus said and then add the others to the bridge. then you assign a IP to the bridge and you're done |
| 05:03.15 | autojack | so I just have to go with it and recover however I can. |
| 05:03.16 | en1gma | am i gonna loose net access from this putty machine |
| 05:03.22 | autojack | brb I hope |
| 05:03.23 | robboplus | en1gma yes |
| 05:03.23 | en1gma | i have nothing hooked up to other box |
| 05:03.28 | en1gma | oh shit |
| 05:03.30 | troubled | autojack: are you using custome kernel? |
| 05:03.35 | robboplus | en1gma that's why you have to be sure what you are doing... |
| 05:03.37 | troubled | ... |
| 05:03.45 | wols_ | then don't put your needed connection tino the bridge |
| 05:03.52 | wols_ | you have 5 nics. use only 3 instead of 4 |
| 05:04.03 | robboplus | en1gma but your connection will be back as soon as the bridge is working |
| 05:04.14 | robboplus | will take like 5 secs or so |
| 05:04.18 | Skept | Hi, I am looking for an application that will autoconfigure wired and wireless interfaces once connection, like in windows. Any recommendations? |
| 05:04.22 | en1gma | well if i gonna loose access then i need to put a vcard in that linux box and hook mouse and keyboard up and prey that it works cause i mean i cut up the .config bad |
| 05:04.31 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 05:04.33 | en1gma | 1 sec |
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| 05:05.13 | en1gma | 1 more thing can i be root at this point |
| 05:05.31 | robboplus | en1gma i could tell you what's next but i don't want you to lose networking so let's make sure that you know what to type and you don't make a mistake |
| 05:05.37 | robboplus | you have to be root |
| 05:05.43 | en1gma | k |
| 05:05.47 | robboplus | or you can't put eth0 into promisc |
| 05:05.54 | robboplus | simonrvn he he |
| 05:05.55 | en1gma | brctl addbr "router" this is what i gonna do now |
| 05:06.08 | simonrvn | autojack's thing |
| 05:06.09 | en1gma | k? |
| 05:06.13 | robboplus | simonrvn... i first did my bridge on a remote box.. it was a longest 5 secs in my life |
| 05:06.24 | robboplus | en1gma what router? |
| 05:06.30 | robboplus | you physically define br0 |
| 05:06.46 | robboplus | it's a virtual network device |
| 05:07.01 | robboplus | that will have underlaying eth0 |
| 05:07.03 | en1gma | the first step says "brctl addbr "bridgename"" |
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| 05:07.17 | robboplus | en1gma brctl addbr br0 |
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| 05:07.34 | en1gma | br0 is not my external nic does that matter |
| 05:07.43 | en1gma | i mean eth0 = non existant |
| 05:07.45 | robboplus | that's a name for a new "nic" |
| 05:07.52 | robboplus | hm what is your external one? |
| 05:07.56 | en1gma | eth1 |
| 05:07.58 | robboplus | we will need that later |
| 05:08.07 | en1gma | eth2-5 = lan |
| 05:08.20 | robboplus | ok so eth1 is the one with external ip and you have default route tru it, right? |
| 05:08.25 | en1gma | ok doing that command 'brctl addbr br0' now ok? |
| 05:08.32 | robboplus | yes, it's safe at this point |
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| 05:08.43 | en1gma | k 1 sec and i not sure about def route |
| 05:08.53 | robboplus | route -n |
| 05:09.09 | robboplus | see what's your device for default gw |
| 05:09.13 | en1gma | command completed successfully |
| 05:09.26 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/682310 |
| 05:09.29 | en1gma | that is current |
| 05:09.32 | robboplus | ok next step (safe one) is: ifconfig br0 up |
| 05:09.35 | robboplus | let me check |
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| 05:09.46 | en1gma | k waiting for your return b4 command |
| 05:10.08 | robboplus | right ok eth1 is your defaut gw |
| 05:10.19 | robboplus | so just bring that br0 up now |
| 05:10.22 | en1gma | note all i have dloaded is bridge-utils |
| 05:10.23 | robboplus | nothing will happen yet |
| 05:10.28 | en1gma | k doing it now |
| 05:10.35 | en1gma | done |
| 05:10.39 | robboplus | the NEXT step is worse :) |
| 05:10.45 | en1gma | rutro |
| 05:11.04 | robboplus | ok just in case something went wrong... |
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| 05:11.22 | robboplus | what i did was: |
| 05:11.36 | robboplus | i setup a script on cron that would reset my networking in 10 mins |
| 05:11.44 | robboplus | if bridge didn't work i would just wait |
| 05:11.47 | en1gma | sweet |
| 05:11.51 | en1gma | sounds good to me |
| 05:11.56 | robboplus | and if it did... i could kill the sucker before it triggered |
| 05:11.57 | en1gma | i dont know how to use cron |
| 05:12.09 | robboplus | ok you can also use "at" for that |
| 05:12.27 | en1gma | dont know what "at" is |
| 05:12.34 | robboplus | it's basically about doing: ifconfig eth1 down; ifconfig eth1 up |
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| 05:12.49 | en1gma | oh like a reset |
| 05:12.51 | robboplus | yes |
| 05:12.57 | semprix | !tell en1gma -about cron |
| 05:13.06 | robboplus | en1gma but "at" is easier |
| 05:13.17 | robboplus | what time is it now at your location? |
| 05:13.25 | robboplus | exact host time |
| 05:13.27 | en1gma | 12:13an |
| 05:13.32 | en1gma | oh wait |
| 05:13.37 | en1gma | wait thats my windows time |
| 05:13.43 | robboplus | check on that box |
| 05:13.54 | en1gma | you arent gonna believe this but i dont know how |
| 05:13.59 | robboplus | date |
| 05:13.59 | en1gma | sorry |
| 05:14.06 | robboplus | no need to be sorry |
| 05:14.11 | en1gma | Wed Sep 5 19:16:09 CDT 2007 |
| 05:14.19 | robboplus | this is a help chan and i'm returning the favour :) |
| 05:14.25 | robboplus | ok |
| 05:14.28 | en1gma | much appreciated |
| 05:14.36 | robboplus | so let's define a reset for 19:30 CDT |
| 05:14.47 | robboplus | type: at 19:30 |
| 05:14.51 | robboplus | you should see a prompt |
| 05:14.52 | en1gma | i know linux more then what it seams but its the little ins and outs that i need to get better with |
| 05:14.59 | robboplus | same here |
| 05:15.09 | robboplus | it's just that i went tru this hell before :) |
| 05:15.23 | robboplus | it's fun to help someone then |
| 05:15.38 | en1gma | did the 'at 19:30' it wants input |
| 05:15.44 | robboplus | yes, now type: |
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| 05:15.54 | robboplus | ifconfig eth1 down; ifconfig eth1 up |
| 05:15.58 | robboplus | and press enter |
| 05:16.03 | robboplus | then press ctrl-d |
| 05:16.08 | robboplus | and then type: atq |
| 05:16.12 | markybob | anyone else having problems with iceweasel in unstable with javascript sites completely locking up the browser? |
| 05:16.18 | robboplus | verify that there is a job defined at 19:30 cdt |
| 05:16.48 | en1gma | router:/# atq |
| 05:16.48 | en1gma | 1 Wed Sep 5 19:30:00 2007 a root |
| 05:16.53 | robboplus | sweet |
| 05:16.55 | en1gma | kool |
| 05:17.01 | robboplus | now onto the dirty step: |
| 05:17.09 | robboplus | we got a few mins left lol |
| 05:17.16 | en1gma | and we are against the clock :) |
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| 05:17.32 | robboplus | you have to type in a long line at execute all this stuff at once |
| 05:17.41 | en1gma | can do |
| 05:17.43 | robboplus | as you will lose connectivity with nexy step |
| 05:17.54 | robboplus | so make sure you DONT press enter yet |
| 05:17.55 | en1gma | then do i just wait for a bit |
| 05:17.59 | robboplus | yes |
| 05:18.00 | en1gma | k |
| 05:18.10 | robboplus | it will lag and then it should be back in a few secs |
| 05:18.16 | en1gma | understood |
| 05:18.20 | robboplus | ok type this: |
| 05:19.40 | robboplus | ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 promisc; brctcl addif br0 eth1; ifconfig br0 12.219.61.7; route del default; route add default gw 12.219.56.1 dev br0 |
| 05:19.53 | robboplus | just wait a sec - i will double check before you press enter |
| 05:20.07 | robboplus | oh there is a typo |
| 05:20.10 | en1gma | k |
| 05:20.27 | en1gma | hey wait |
| 05:20.32 | robboplus | ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 promisc; brctl addif br0 eth1; ifconfig br0 12.219.61.7; route del default; route add default gw 12.219.56.1 dev br0 |
| 05:20.32 | en1gma | my gateway changes |
| 05:20.36 | robboplus | does it? |
| 05:20.40 | en1gma | i am dynamic |
| 05:20.46 | robboplus | damn damn |
| 05:20.51 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:20.53 | robboplus | that i had no clue about |
| 05:21.10 | en1gma | im not sure waht to do about that part with this process |
| 05:21.18 | en1gma | usually dhcp is eth1 |
| 05:21.20 | robboplus | so this is not a static ip, same with eth1? |
| 05:22.23 | en1gma | oh i dont know....someone told me i am a dynamic ip that is reserved....meaning i have same ip for couple days sometimes |
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| 05:22.41 | robboplus | it makes it way harder for me to help |
| 05:22.48 | robboplus | as i never tried bridging on dynamic yet |
| 05:22.52 | en1gma | let me run ifconfig -a right now 1 sec |
| 05:23.09 | robboplus | i can only hope that someone follows this chat and can help us :) |
| 05:23.19 | en1gma | haha |
| 05:23.28 | en1gma | tick talk tick talk |
| 05:23.32 | robboplus | you would be all set if those were static ips |
| 05:23.41 | en1gma | im dynamic all the way i would think |
| 05:23.41 | robboplus | hey, remove that job btw :) |
| 05:23.48 | robboplus | atq and note the # |
| 05:23.53 | robboplus | then atrm # |
| 05:24.35 | en1gma | ok atq returns no jobs now |
| 05:24.40 | robboplus | ok that's correct |
| 05:24.47 | robboplus | anyway that line SHOULD work for your CURRENT ips |
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| 05:25.01 | robboplus | and that's how a basic bridge looks like |
| 05:25.04 | autojack | I'm back. |
| 05:25.15 | simonrvn | autojack: any hiccups? |
| 05:25.15 | robboplus | but thing is that i never tried to do that for dynamic gw |
| 05:25.18 | autojack | rebooted, went to BIOS and told it to boot sdb first. system came up like a charm. |
| 05:25.25 | autojack | had to wait through an fsck. |
| 05:25.29 | simonrvn | WOOT |
| 05:25.30 | en1gma | wols_ you still around |
| 05:25.31 | autojack | but it saw the new disk no problem. |
| 05:25.33 | robboplus | autojack congrats |
| 05:25.34 | en1gma | wols_ knows alot |
| 05:25.39 | en1gma | not saying you dont |
| 05:25.45 | autojack | soI copied over the partition from sdb, added sda to the RAIDs, and now it's syncing. |
| 05:25.54 | robboplus | en1gma wols does know way more :) |
| 05:25.56 | simonrvn | .:01:05:43:. >>> simonrvn has a feeling it'll work, with maybe a small hiccup |
| 05:26.01 | simonrvn | autojack: ^^^ |
| 05:26.02 | autojack | haha |
| 05:26.04 | en1gma | wols_ is prob gone |
| 05:26.06 | autojack | thanks for the vote of confidence. |
| 05:26.09 | robboplus | he he |
| 05:26.16 | simonrvn | that's after you'd left |
| 05:26.17 | robboplus | he hates to hold the hand afaik |
| 05:26.28 | autojack | yeah heh |
| 05:26.32 | en1gma | he hates me |
| 05:26.34 | en1gma | lol |
| 05:26.36 | simonrvn | autojack: :) |
| 05:26.42 | robboplus | he hates the haters :) |
| 05:26.55 | en1gma | hate the game not that haters |
| 05:27.09 | robboplus | well adjusting my 1337 line could be simple.. i just never tried for dynamic yet |
| 05:27.32 | en1gma | well if all else fails cron will reset if we add that job again right? |
| 05:27.40 | robboplus | sure it will |
| 05:27.46 | robboplus | if you want, we can test that br0 |
| 05:27.50 | robboplus | with the line that i gave you |
| 05:27.58 | robboplus | btw "at" is not cron, just another tool |
| 05:28.07 | en1gma | will that bridge stay there until it gets deleted even if cron starts the new job |
| 05:28.15 | en1gma | oo |
| 05:28.17 | robboplus | it would stay until your ip changes |
| 05:28.25 | robboplus | and then shit happens :) |
| 05:28.51 | robboplus | and if we cycle eth1 the bridge will disappear |
| 05:28.53 | en1gma | so say are settings dont work and cron resets my network so it works again...what would i need to delete |
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| 05:28.59 | en1gma | ah ok |
| 05:29.06 | en1gma | thats what i was wondering |
| 05:29.07 | robboplus | the promisc mode |
| 05:29.17 | robboplus | that's the shit that causes eth1 and br0 to stick |
| 05:29.29 | robboplus | bridge can't work without that |
| 05:29.39 | robboplus | and cycling eth1 kills the promisc mode |
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| 05:30.02 | en1gma | 'ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 promisc' so cron ifconfig reset will fix it perm if it dont work? |
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| 05:30.16 | robboplus | yes |
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| 05:30.26 | en1gma | ok so whatever you want to try im up for it |
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| 05:30.28 | robboplus | and note that doing that command WILL cut you off |
| 05:30.40 | en1gma | want me to start cron job again cause i got it all in a text file too |
| 05:30.40 | robboplus | well if you want, just define a reset job again |
| 05:30.45 | robboplus | yes |
| 05:30.49 | en1gma | k |
| 05:30.53 | robboplus | let's give it 10 mins |
| 05:30.59 | robboplus | so 19:40 or so |
| 05:31.13 | robboplus | heck, could be 19:35 even :) |
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| 05:31.56 | robboplus | 4 mins left :) |
| 05:32.14 | en1gma | eventhough that other job was canceled cron called this job #2 |
| 05:32.20 | robboplus | yes |
| 05:32.24 | en1gma | i did 19:44 |
| 05:32.29 | en1gma | just in case |
| 05:32.30 | robboplus | it will increment by 1 each time |
| 05:32.36 | en1gma | k |
| 05:32.39 | robboplus | note again: this is NOT cron |
| 05:32.45 | en1gma | oh my bad |
| 05:32.46 | robboplus | just a sheduler |
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| 05:32.57 | robboplus | ok now copy-paste this: |
| 05:32.57 | Gaidin | hello i just installed jdk but when i try to javac it says command not found. i also cannot locate the actual binary so i can't run it from that. all the fixes i found when googling were useless also because i could not find the binary as you can probably tell i am a new 'nix user. does anyone have any ideas of what to do? |
| 05:33.03 | robboplus | exactly this line: |
| 05:33.04 | robboplus | ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 promisc; brctl addif br0 eth1; ifconfig br0 12.219.61.7; route del default; route add default gw 12.219.56.1 dev br0 |
| 05:33.16 | robboplus | and press enter |
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| 05:33.36 | robboplus | to the best of my knowledge your connectivity will be back in 5-10 secs |
| 05:33.41 | en1gma | you fixed the typo from b4? |
| 05:33.42 | robboplus | like nothing happened |
| 05:33.44 | robboplus | yes |
| 05:33.48 | en1gma | k putting it in now |
| 05:33.57 | robboplus | thumbs up |
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| 05:34.19 | robboplus | hrhm |
| 05:34.24 | cafuego | Gaidin: Did you download the jdk from sun and run the .bin file> |
| 05:34.29 | Gaidin | yes |
| 05:34.36 | robboplus | he shouldn't ping out this fast, should he? |
| 05:34.47 | cafuego | Well there's yer problem. |
| 05:34.56 | cafuego | Gaidin: Uninstall it |
| 05:34.59 | Gaidin | ok |
| 05:35.04 | Gaidin | ...how XD |
| 05:35.13 | cafuego | exactly |
| 05:35.18 | cafuego | Not packaged -> mess. |
| 05:35.36 | autojack | pissed that I couldn't fully hot swap. I'm going to research that more. it looks like I need a kernel upgrade. |
| 05:35.38 | cafuego | 'apt-get install java-package' |
| 05:35.42 | Gaidin | ok |
| 05:35.49 | autojack | but now I'm going to go home, talk dirty to my girlfriend, and get some sleep. |
| 05:35.53 | cafuego | then 'make-jpkg <name of the sun .bin file>' |
| 05:35.54 | autojack | thanks for your help guys. |
| 05:36.05 | cafuego | That will generate a nice .deb for you. |
| 05:36.08 | Gaidin | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 05:36.31 | cafuego | it's in contrib, make sure that's enabled |
| 05:36.48 | cafuego | you may need 'fakeroot' as well |
| 05:36.57 | Gaidin | err contrib? grr i hate not knowing simple things like this |
| 05:37.30 | Midtronic | cafuego: is there no maintained java package? |
| 05:37.31 | cafuego | Gaidin: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:37.35 | Gaidin | oh |
| 05:37.37 | Gaidin | that |
| 05:37.40 | cafuego | Midtronic: Not for debian, licensing... |
| 05:37.45 | Midtronic | right, right. |
| 05:37.57 | hark | cafuego: it's on non-free |
| 05:37.58 | cafuego | Midtronic: So java-package is an auto-builder |
| 05:38.05 | Midtronic | gotcha. |
| 05:38.05 | hark | in* |
| 05:38.10 | Gaidin | ok what do i do to it? |
| 05:38.11 | cafuego | hark: No, it's in contrib. |
| 05:38.20 | cafuego | jae: oh, the actual java packages? |
| 05:38.29 | hark | cafuego: yeah ;) |
| 05:38.43 | hark | !info sun-java5-bin etch |
| 05:38.44 | dpkg | sun-java5-bin: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture dependent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-10-3 (etch), Packaged size: 21782 kB, Installed size: 65088 kB |
| 05:38.45 | ameyer | java should eventually be in Debian once it's actually GPL and they've replaced the encumbered parts |
| 05:38.50 | Lethias | I'm wanting to download gnome and compile the newest one from scratch. There's 2 sources one for platform and the other for desktop. What does what? |
| 05:39.01 | cafuego | Gaidin: Edit it again and add non-free as well :-) |
| 05:39.11 | Gaidin | where? sorry :( |
| 05:39.14 | Midtronic | cafuego: any trouble in packaging/installing say j5 alongside j6? |
| 05:39.18 | ameyer | well, be in main |
| 05:39.21 | Gaidin | whick bit do i edit |
| 05:39.25 | hark | Gaidin: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 05:39.28 | cafuego | Midtronic: Not if you use the packaged versions. |
| 05:39.42 | Midtronic | neat. thanks |
| 05:40.31 | cafuego | i think they all run from /usr/lib/jvm-VERSION-blahblah/ and are handled via /etc/alternatives |
| 05:40.34 | Gaidin | h/o |
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| 05:42.36 | Gaidin | i still don't know which line to add it to |
| 05:43.20 | cafuego | Gaidin: There will be a line that has 'main' in it. |
| 05:43.24 | Gaidin | ok |
| 05:43.27 | cafuego | add 'non-free' to the end |
| 05:43.27 | hark | at the end of the "deb url main" line |
| 05:44.09 | Gaidin | ok |
| 05:44.18 | Gaidin | i will apt-get update |
| 05:44.26 | nrdb | zinx: I got VNC working, thanks for the help. |
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| 05:46.28 | Gaidin | hmm i think i added it to the wrong line i have several lines with main in them do you want me to pastebin my list? |
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| 05:47.13 | robboplus | how can i list the top10 memory eaters on the box? |
| 05:47.24 | bhundven | top |
| 05:47.31 | bhundven | then press the m key |
| 05:47.35 | robboplus | oh hm |
| 05:47.40 | bhundven | to sort by memory usage |
| 05:47.50 | tomb0y | any reason when i ifup eth1 my internet connection on eth0 drops, but as soon as i ifdown eth1, i can reping again on eth0 outbound? theyre using diff irqs, so kinda stumpedas to what to check |
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| 05:48.09 | robboplus | bhundven hm |
| 05:48.11 | robboplus | en1gma! |
| 05:48.14 | bhundven | tomb0y sounds like a routing issue |
| 05:48.17 | en1gma | robboplus :) |
| 05:48.23 | cafuego | tomb0y: default rote prolly gets replaced |
| 05:48.26 | robboplus | en1gma so what happened man? :) |
| 05:48.35 | en1gma | i tried that ifconfig manually also but it didnt work so i had to halt |
| 05:48.39 | en1gma | here is the reply it gave me |
| 05:48.44 | robboplus | bhundven is VIRT and RES both being used and i should sum them up? |
| 05:48.50 | en1gma | command above gave me this reply "OCDELRT: No such process" |
| 05:48.59 | robboplus | en1gma hrhm |
| 05:49.03 | en1gma | i add the command part |
| 05:49.14 | en1gma | for me notes |
| 05:49.16 | tomb0y | cafuego: ok so u suggest i have a script manuall update the route after init.d/networking is started up? |
| 05:49.34 | en1gma | i did a |
| 05:49.36 | en1gma | # router:/# brctl show |
| 05:49.36 | en1gma | # bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces |
| 05:49.36 | en1gma | # br0 8000.00508d5a77b5 no eth1 |
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| 05:49.42 | robboplus | en1gma OCDELRT... never seen that before |
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| 05:49.46 | en1gma | dang it |
| 05:49.54 | cafuego | tomb0y: No, i suggest you verify if it's a routing problem first |
| 05:49.56 | en1gma | did it show up |
| 05:49.56 | bhundven | robboplus: nah. |
| 05:49.59 | robboplus | hm so the br0 worked |
| 05:50.13 | en1gma | it showed it when i gave the command to show |
| 05:50.20 | robboplus | bhundven then which column should i read? i'm confused |
| 05:50.29 | bhundven | %MEM |
| 05:50.30 | badgers | well, mem is You must add the string: append="mem=xxxM" (where xxx = the amount of memory installed in megabytes) to /etc/lilo.conf in the LILO global section - this applies to 2.0.x AND 2.2.x kernels on machines with broken bioses |
| 05:50.32 | robboplus | en1gma then bridge was up |
| 05:50.37 | en1gma | it even was still there after i did the 'ifconfig eth1 down; ifconfig eth1 up' manually |
| 05:50.41 | Gaidin | pastebin won't work...... |
| 05:51.07 | robboplus | en1gma bridge would stay there, it just wouldn't work |
| 05:51.22 | en1gma | robboplus one question if you dont mind....arent the 4 nics that goto lan supposed to be the ones that get bridged |
| 05:51.35 | robboplus | en1gma sure |
| 05:51.41 | robboplus | that would be the next step |
| 05:51.43 | en1gma | just arent at that part yet |
| 05:51.45 | en1gma | kk |
| 05:51.48 | robboplus | adding more interfaces to br0 |
| 05:52.16 | robboplus | so you have one "meta device" aka crossing :) |
| 05:52.36 | en1gma | i got something more to show too.i gonna add it to pastebin...i forgot i added all the modules in networking so the ifconfig i showed you earlier on pastebin is in correct |
| 05:52.48 | en1gma | putting new ifconfig up there want anything else added to it |
| 05:53.14 | robboplus | oh it's a bit different |
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| 05:54.03 | robboplus | you add interfaces like this: brctl addif br0 eth5 |
| 05:54.04 | en1gma | yea i forgot that i went from a very minimal /networking section to EVERYTHING built in |
| 05:54.29 | en1gma | ifconfig -a from right now http://pastebin.ca/683496 |
| 05:54.42 | robboplus | hm |
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| 05:54.55 | en1gma | not sure if thats making the problem right now or not |
| 05:55.01 | en1gma | or is there a problem right now |
| 05:55.04 | robboplus | checking |
| 05:55.14 | cafuego | !info libapache2-mod-auth-mysql etch |
| 05:55.23 | cafuego | So wtf not |
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| 05:55.44 | Ben_Cs | hello |
| 05:55.59 | Ben_Cs | does Gentoo have advantages over Debian? |
| 05:56.06 | robboplus | en1gma that's like shitload of stuff |
| 05:56.11 | en1gma | lol |
| 05:56.14 | robboplus | tunnels also |
| 05:56.15 | en1gma | thats what i thought |
| 05:56.29 | en1gma | i can recompile the kernel with alot of those options off |
| 05:56.32 | cafuego | Ben_Cs: No. |
| 05:56.48 | en1gma | but when i seen i needed 802.1d or something like that i figured i better add it all |
| 05:57.43 | en1gma | 802.1d i think is for bridging |
| 05:58.06 | Ben_Cs | cafuego: ok. just was wondering if Gentoo is worth the headache |
| 05:58.07 | en1gma | wols_ said it should be alright if everything was added in earlier |
| 05:58.14 | en1gma | but you never know |
| 05:58.19 | bhundven | http://linux-net.osdl.org/index.php/Bridge |
| 05:58.30 | cafuego | Ben_Cs: Not from where I'm sitting; which is on a comfy chair in lazy-town <heh> |
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| 05:58.49 | en1gma | bhundven got that one bookmarked already |
| 05:58.58 | bhundven | nyce |
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| 06:00.02 | en1gma | robboplus want me to rebuld kernel real quick with some of that off |
| 06:00.13 | Gaidin | cafuego: still willing to help? http://www.members.westnet.com.au/oreally/paste.html is my current source.list which line do i have to add it to |
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| 06:00.29 | bhundven | Ben_Cs: it really just depends on if you want to mess with your distribution or if you want to use your distribution. I've been back and forth for 5 years on this one, and it seems to me that you can do everything in debian that you can in gentoo and visa-versa. Linux distributions these days are "Preference". |
| 06:00.57 | en1gma | gentoo is for building everything and i mean everything isnt it |
| 06:01.03 | en1gma | gentoo you start with nothing |
| 06:01.09 | en1gma | and build every pkg |
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| 06:01.31 | en1gma | or am i getting distros mixed up |
| 06:01.35 | bhundven | nope |
| 06:01.58 | Guerin | well, you are |
| 06:01.59 | en1gma | well hell if your gonna do that then do linux from scratch |
| 06:02.03 | Guerin | gentoo you don't start with nothing |
| 06:02.14 | en1gma | well you start with very very little |
| 06:02.18 | ameyer | there are a couple source-based distros out there |
| 06:02.19 | en1gma | kernel and a compiler? |
| 06:02.22 | Guerin | depends |
| 06:02.28 | Guerin | you CAN start with a bunch more |
| 06:02.31 | ameyer | and most of the BSDs are source-based |
| 06:02.34 | jyf1987 | hello,i am a newbie to debian,i want to install debian to my usbdisk,it has a partition about 200mb,can it be? |
| 06:02.36 | Guerin | just most people are too 1337 |
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| 06:02.47 | Guerin | jyf1987: it mill be very tight. |
| 06:02.54 | Guerin | s/mill/will/ |
| 06:03.00 | en1gma | jyf1987 what fs is your other partition |
| 06:03.10 | jyf1987 | en1gma: ext2 |
| 06:03.12 | bhundven | what I'm saying is that I still know people that like redhat. Thats fine. it's just a preference. It's what your comfortable with. every distro you will need to learn the Ins and outs of it to get good at it. It will take time and lots of reading and experimenting to find the right one. I personally like debian. |
| 06:03.13 | tomb0y | cafuego: yea route table gets messed up. when i bring up eth1, the first default line is 192.168.1.1 then a 2nd default line of gateway in ip form and not the c-71.. etc form without eth1 being up |
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| 06:03.27 | en1gma | well the partition wouldnt be bad but the size would be |
| 06:03.28 | Guerin | bhundven: people who LIKE red hat? Impossible! |
| 06:03.31 | jyf1987 | Guerin: what do you mean by tight? |
| 06:03.39 | jmd_ | ,repository |
| 06:03.45 | bhundven | Guerin: I know people that live and die by suse |
| 06:03.47 | Guerin | jyf1987: debian's base install is about 300MB. You can cut it down smaller. |
| 06:03.47 | bhundven | so what |
| 06:04.02 | bhundven | it still has the linux kernel and the gnu operating system |
| 06:04.02 | Guerin | bhundven: heh, I know some poor unfortunates like that, too |
| 06:04.05 | jmd_ | !repository |
| 06:04.05 | dpkg | i guess debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get. A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 06:04.11 | en1gma | debians base install is more around 350-375 |
| 06:04.12 | jyf1987 | Guerin: i think i just need a cli debian |
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| 06:04.26 | en1gma | after updates |
| 06:04.40 | shnastybiznastic | I wonder how much space my bloated cli install takes up... |
| 06:04.41 | co_cns | kudus |
| 06:04.48 | Guerin | i know a guy who CHOSE it for his business (and then complained when the proprietary `certified for sles 10' 1Us he bought weren't properly supported) |
| 06:05.04 | bhundven | heh |
| 06:05.05 | bhundven | yea |
| 06:05.09 | Guerin | well |
| 06:05.13 | en1gma | robboplus where did you go |
| 06:05.19 | Guerin | strictly speaking, they WERE supported ... but not with xen |
| 06:05.20 | bhundven | I'm dealing with similar issues at work. |
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| 06:05.34 | Guerin | and you can't just go build the xen against a binary-only kernel |
| 06:05.34 | jyf1987 | i use to heard that debian can be very small ,isnt it? |
| 06:05.45 | Guerin | jyf1987: 200MB is *extremely* small |
| 06:05.58 | Guerin | jyf1987: no other operating has been smaller since about 1995 |
| 06:05.58 | shnastybiznastic | 876600KB. That's shameful |
| 06:06.03 | bhundven | lol |
| 06:06.04 | shnastybiznastic | shame! |
| 06:06.25 | Guerin | jyf1987: if you want reallyfuckingevensmaller, use damnsmallinux |
| 06:06.28 | Guerin | it's damn small |
| 06:06.31 | jyf1987 | Guerin: then how did dsl linux do it ? |
| 06:06.35 | shnastybiznastic | of course, this is an apache/cifs/icecast/mpd server |
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| 06:06.49 | jyf1987 | but i like debian's apt-get |
| 06:06.53 | Guerin | jyf1987: by spending thousands of dev-hours tweaking explicitly for size and nothing else |
| 06:06.56 | shnastybiznastic | I bet I could pare it down even more though |
| 06:06.59 | bhundven | jyf1987 not using the gnu utils and using busybox or assembly based utils. |
| 06:07.09 | Guerin | you can get debian inside 200MB, but it's work. |
| 06:07.11 | en1gma | slackware has been the smallest install |
| 06:07.14 | en1gma | sorry to say |
| 06:07.22 | Guerin | why sorry? |
| 06:07.29 | shnastybiznastic | yeah, slack can get in little bitty drives |
| 06:07.31 | Guerin | slackware can't fucking do anything by default |
| 06:07.38 | en1gma | you can leave stuff out of the installer that will actually cause your system not to boot |
| 06:07.42 | Guerin | doesn't even have a package manager worth the name |
| 06:07.45 | shnastybiznastic | that's not true, it can use fortune! |
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| 06:08.02 | en1gma | slackwares package manager was called "slapt-get" |
| 06:08.03 | bhundven | Guerin: sounds like you are 'experienced'. I bet you use compiz or something... |
| 06:08.25 | ameyer | you could probably get the kernel and a few CLI tools in 200 MB |
| 06:08.27 | Guerin | bhundven: fuck no. I'm so `experienced' I'm going to wait until it's not fucking horribly broken. |
| 06:08.36 | bhundven | suck |
| 06:08.38 | ameyer | maybe even X and fluxbox |
| 06:08.39 | jyf1987 | Guerin: did dsl linux has apt-get? |
| 06:08.45 | Guerin | sometime in about 2010, I figure |
| 06:08.46 | jyf1987 | or dpkg |
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| 06:08.51 | Guerin | jyf1987: yes, it does. |
| 06:08.52 | en1gma | dsl has my-dsl |
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| 06:09.04 | jyf1987 | Guerin: then thx |
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| 06:09.06 | en1gma | which lets you install apt-get maybe |
| 06:09.13 | jyf1987 | en1gma: thx |
| 06:09.17 | en1gma | np |
| 06:09.20 | jyf1987 | thank you all |
| 06:09.23 | shnastybiznastic | what are we fighting about anyway? |
| 06:09.24 | Guerin | mmm, coffee in the evening |
| 06:09.34 | bhundven | fight? |
| 06:09.36 | bhundven | where? |
| 06:09.37 | Guerin | shnastybiznastic: about how stupid everything except debian is, of course. |
| 06:09.42 | en1gma | robboplus ....i think i overloaded him |
| 06:09.43 | en1gma | lol |
| 06:09.54 | en1gma | well he did try |
| 06:10.00 | en1gma | wols_ where are you |
| 06:10.05 | shnastybiznastic | they are all pretty stupid |
| 06:10.18 | shnastybiznastic | I bet they release every year or something like that |
| 06:10.26 | Guerin | shnastybiznastic: you know what they say ... if you're stupid, you'd better be pretty |
| 06:10.27 | shnastybiznastic | ICE BURN! |
| 06:10.36 | bhundven | lol |
| 06:10.40 | en1gma | there are a couple small things that debian isnt that great about that other distros have |
| 06:10.53 | bhundven | like? |
| 06:10.56 | en1gma | but i would say overall debian is best |
| 06:10.58 | Guerin | like a brown colour scheme? |
| 06:11.03 | shnastybiznastic | I can't actually dump on debian too much, I migrated my slack server over to it |
| 06:11.04 | bhundven | haha |
| 06:11.09 | en1gma | well debian still wont install to a fake raid 0 |
| 06:11.22 | en1gma | and when building kernels i see a problem |
| 06:11.27 | shnastybiznastic | and debian does have the best lite version |
| 06:11.48 | xingu | debian's sendmail packaging annoys the crap out of me personally |
| 06:11.50 | en1gma | si hate exim4 |
| 06:11.51 | bhundven | software raid is a bad idea anyways |
| 06:11.51 | Guerin | en1gma: all kernel building problems come from not using the kp mantra |
| 06:12.03 | en1gma | opensuse installs fake-raid just fine |
| 06:12.06 | Guerin | sendmail is a bad idea too |
| 06:12.09 | shnastybiznastic | software raid can be a very good idea , depending on the situation |
| 06:12.23 | en1gma | Guerin this kernel problem is kp mantra specific |
| 06:12.42 | Guerin | en1gma: then it's from not using the kp mantra *properly* |
| 06:13.20 | jyf1987 | btw,are you working under cli or x mostly |
| 06:13.28 | Guerin | i use the cli in x |
| 06:13.28 | bhundven | cli |
| 06:13.33 | en1gma | ex: say you build a kernel with bad settings....then you use mk-pkg whatever it reads the config in /boot which is already bad |
| 06:13.35 | Guerin | x is a superb terminal multiplexer |
| 06:13.48 | en1gma | so once you start a bad config it will always read that config |
| 06:13.48 | xingu | willful ignorace in general is a bad idea; sendmail is just sendmail. |
| 06:13.49 | bhundven | so is screen |
| 06:14.02 | jyf1987 | i install two ubuntu-> cli and x |
| 06:14.06 | Guerin | xingu: sendmail causes wilful ignorance |
| 06:14.06 | en1gma | there should be an option to have a default config that comes with the kernel |
| 06:14.26 | Guerin | en1gma: there is. |
| 06:14.29 | xingu | Guerin: cite your source |
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| 06:14.34 | en1gma | ive never seen it |
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| 06:14.42 | en1gma | it always reads /boot/config |
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| 06:15.03 | Guerin | xingu: http://youhavebeentrolled.com/lol/pwn3d.html |
| 06:15.20 | bhundven | troll |
| 06:15.26 | premier_ | hi, I was using powertop somewhat haphazardly and it disabled my wireless (ipw3945)... I'm not sure what the issue is, but can someone help me debug it so I can get wireless back? |
| 06:15.43 | en1gma | so if you change alot of settings from default installed kernel config then install that custom kernel you can not get back to an original default kernel |
| 06:15.49 | jyf1987 | the dsl channel has none alive person |
| 06:15.49 | robboplus | en1gma sorry to be away - just had to do some stuff |
| 06:15.49 | en1gma | which is not very smart |
| 06:16.04 | en1gma | robboplus no problem...i thought i overwhelmed you |
| 06:16.05 | premier_ | it might have done this: http://www.linuxpowertop.org/known.php#ipw3945 |
| 06:16.06 | en1gma | :) |
| 06:16.09 | jyf1987 | is someone here using dsl now??? |
| 06:16.14 | bhundven | jyf1987: are you starting distro wars in all of the chans? |
| 06:16.15 | premier_ | I'm using dsl |
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| 06:16.28 | premier_ | oh, damn small linux |
| 06:16.34 | premier_ | I'm using a dsl internet connection |
| 06:16.39 | en1gma | ive used dsl so much i know alot about inc...its the only live distro that can remaster on the fly |
| 06:16.44 | jyf1987 | bhundven: ??? |
| 06:16.49 | shnastybiznastic | inc? |
| 06:16.53 | en1gma | including |
| 06:16.55 | bhundven | I was gonna say... my gf has dsl: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DSL |
| 06:16.57 | streuner_ | !based on debian |
| 06:16.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has less people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 06:17.21 | jyf1987 | i just want to get help for how to install dsl to my usbdisk,the dsl channel has no person ,so i went here for help |
| 06:17.24 | en1gma | jyf1987 you prob should be ##linux |
| 06:17.33 | shnastybiznastic | oh snap! |
| 06:17.38 | en1gma | there are some helpfull ppl ther |
| 06:17.44 | en1gma | also |
| 06:17.52 | Penix | I can't believe someone just said "oh snap" |
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| 06:17.57 | bhundven | lol |
| 06:18.07 | en1gma | jyf1987 boot dsl and there is an option |
| 06:18.11 | en1gma | install to usb |
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| 06:18.25 | en1gma | cant get easier then that |
| 06:18.26 | jyf1987 | en1gma: what do you mean by ##linux? |
| 06:18.34 | bhundven | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:18.35 | en1gma | dbl click ##linux |
| 06:18.37 | premier_ | but, but, ubuntu is so easy to use! |
| 06:18.51 | premier_ | (sarcasm) |
| 06:19.00 | streuner_ | ask those people who asking here for help |
| 06:19.12 | en1gma | they are all easy once you learn they are all running the same software if you want |
| 06:19.15 | xingu | en1gma: if you're building kernels which upgrade installed kernels and then installing them, it doesn't really seem to be a problem with kpkg to me that your original /boot/config- file is lost in the process somehow. |
| 06:19.16 | Guerin | premier_: staff are short, so it would appreciated if you could administer your own beating |
| 06:19.25 | en1gma | only thing diff is package management and debian is supreme on that |
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| 06:19.53 | jyf1987 | en1gma: what are they talking about in ##linux? |
| 06:19.53 | bhundven | totally |
| 06:19.53 | xingu | en1gma: if you're not, you can always recover the still-installed /boot/config file so again no problem |
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| 06:20.10 | en1gma | xingu oh yes it is....there should be redundance in any app that fools with kernel |
| 06:20.17 | en1gma | at least a default |
| 06:20.37 | en1gma | the still installed config is fubar |
| 06:20.42 | xingu | en1gma: there is a default as it happens, it's just not the debian defaults. |
| 06:21.01 | en1gma | i dont want the debian defaults |
| 06:21.19 | en1gma | there is no debian defaults the kernel comes from kernel.org and it should be there defaults |
| 06:21.26 | en1gma | debian dont own the kernel |
| 06:21.47 | Guerin | http://politics.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/05/133219 # the twice-annual Article With Some Actual Merit on shashdot |
| 06:21.52 | xingu | en1gma: there are defaults in the k.o kernel and that's what make-kpkg will build if you don't explicitly load a config |
| 06:22.04 | en1gma | oh you are so wrong |
| 06:22.07 | Guerin | I think the last one was Moglen on the GPL about six months ago |
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| 06:22.29 | en1gma | its reading info from the /boot/config or the /boot/kernel |
| 06:23.00 | en1gma | we are talking about the kp mantra way right? |
| 06:23.46 | en1gma | do this cd /usr/src/linux-image-whatever do a make clean delete any .config file in there then do a make menuconfig |
| 06:23.55 | en1gma | you will see its reading your info from /boot |
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| 06:24.21 | en1gma | which is not a good idea imho |
| 06:24.46 | Guerin | en1gma: file a bug |
| 06:24.53 | en1gma | i dont think that is a bug |
| 06:24.56 | Guerin | en1gma: seems a perfectly sane idea if no .config file is present |
| 06:25.01 | Guerin | en1gma: then stop complaining |
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| 06:25.30 | xingu | en1gma: see kpkg "--config defconfig" |
| 06:25.31 | en1gma | i believe you asked me what was wrong with debian...i can scroll up and pull it out for you if you doubt me |
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| 06:25.50 | en1gma | now i tell you and you tell me shutup |
| 06:25.51 | en1gma | lol |
| 06:26.00 | Guerin | en1gma: well, ok. You got me. You don't like its default behaviour when building a kernel without a config. |
| 06:26.24 | bhundven | en1gma that doesn't sound like a debian issue. Sounds like you don't like the default behaviour of make menuconfig. |
| 06:26.32 | bhundven | or kp |
| 06:26.44 | en1gma | like i said they are small nit picks nothing big and i am using debian so it cant be to big o deal |
| 06:26.44 | en1gma | xingu checking 1 min |
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| 06:27.22 | en1gma | bhundven you know what actually that dont have to do with kp mantra does it |
| 06:27.32 | en1gma | it is make menuconfig fault |
| 06:27.33 | xingu | en1gma: and I can see where kpkg would build the *boot-floppies* .config if none was provided, but I can't see it sourcing anything from /boot. |
| 06:27.49 | bhundven | right. |
| 06:28.07 | xingu | en1gma: I think it's more likely that your build tree was hosed during the second compile. |
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| 06:28.13 | en1gma | bhundven <<< is correct has nothing to do with kp mantra. i stand corrected it is menuconfig fault |
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| 06:28.24 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:28.35 | Guerin | so debian is officially perfect! |
| 06:28.44 | bhundven | oi |
| 06:29.07 | Guerin | en1gma: please publish a craven full-page apology in the New York Times in atonement for slagging off the mighty debian |
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| 06:29.19 | en1gma | xingu well i like to fool around with making kernels and there options....you only get to do this once if you dont first backup your /boot/config cause the one debian installs with is closest to stock as we are going to get |
| 06:29.34 | en1gma | once you build a custom kernel menuconfig pulls that up every time |
| 06:29.46 | xingu | en1gma: I've been building bespoke kernels using kpkg for about 7y or so |
| 06:29.49 | en1gma | Guerin :) will do |
| 06:29.58 | xingu | en1gma: commercially; there's little about it that surprises me. |
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| 06:30.29 | dansushi[server] | is there anyone here that uses VLC media player? |
| 06:30.38 | streuner_ | xine here |
| 06:30.46 | Guerin | !anyone use vlc? |
| 06:30.46 | dpkg | No, no one uses vlc, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:30.50 | en1gma | xingu 'make menuconfig --default' would be great |
| 06:31.04 | xingu | en1gma: the way to *avoid* your unfortunate outcome is to not design your options to upgrade the installed kernel. |
| 06:31.06 | jmd_ | How do I tell dpkg-buildpackage where to find my gpg key? |
| 06:31.06 | en1gma | or at least 'make menuconfig --i386' |
| 06:31.21 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: just ask, dont ask to ask |
| 06:31.25 | xingu | en1gma: by building a kernel which will upgrade the installed kernel, the installed kernel is obviously toast |
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| 06:31.41 | en1gma | yea and that is true |
| 06:31.43 | xingu | en1gma: I think you'll find --config defconfig does exactly what it says on the tin. |
| 06:31.48 | dansushi[server] | well, i'm having an issue with useing apt0get to install vlc |
| 06:31.53 | Ben_Cs | what's the difference between xubuntu and debian with xfce? |
| 06:32.00 | dansushi[server] | i'm getting this error "Package vlc is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:32.00 | dansushi[server] | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 06:32.00 | dansushi[server] | is only available from another source |
| 06:32.00 | dansushi[server] | E: Package vlc has no installation candidate |
| 06:32.00 | dansushi[server] | " |
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| 06:32.00 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: one is debian and one isn't |
| 06:32.05 | Ben_Cs | except xubuntu has newer packs? |
| 06:32.08 | dansushi[server] | sorry-- |
| 06:32.08 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: fail. |
| 06:32.14 | dansushi[server] | yeah, i know |
| 06:32.14 | en1gma | xingu testing right now |
| 06:32.15 | Guerin | dpkg, why is vlc not in testing? |
| 06:32.15 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 06:32.16 | en1gma | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.20 | robboplus | what is the real memory usage of this process? 4827 root 5 -10 1204m 407m 395m S |
| 06:32.21 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: xubuntu is debian chils |
| 06:32.26 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: why didnt you read /topic? |
| 06:32.29 | Ben_Cs | *child |
| 06:32.37 | streuner_ | !start a distro war |
| 06:32.37 | dpkg | methinks start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 06:32.39 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: not biologically. |
| 06:32.49 | xingu | en1gma: and I still can't see where make-kpkg would source config from /boot, but I'll give it a dry run on a freshly vacated build root just to see. |
| 06:32.51 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: logically |
| 06:32.59 | dansushi[server] | i know, it wasn't that much, and i thought i copied it already to be only one line, but it didn't seem to work |
| 06:33.00 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: it's like a mutant half-breed created in a lab and unleashed on an unsuspecting world |
| 06:33.27 | jmd_ | streuner_: It's impossible to read the topic for this channel. People post too fast that it scrolls off the top of the screen before I've read the first 2 lines. |
| 06:33.27 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: you prolly copied the LR's into the line as well... |
| 06:33.28 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: see what dpkg said above |
| 06:33.31 | dansushi[server] | but anyway, i'm using lenny, and still can't seem to get vlc. |
| 06:33.38 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: ye yeh i know: "ubuntu is an ancient african word, mening - i can't use debian" |
| 06:33.58 | en1gma | make: unrecognized option `--confi |
| 06:34.01 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: i thought it meant `look - tits and arse!' |
| 06:34.06 | robboplus | can someone please teach me how to read memory usage in top? |
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| 06:34.07 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: use xine or mplayer then |
| 06:34.08 | en1gma | the g is there |
| 06:34.11 | Guerin | since that appeared to be the distro marketing scheme |
| 06:34.18 | dansushi[server] | Guerin: and what does that mean? |
| 06:34.18 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: will i feel a difference between xubuntu and debian testing? |
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| 06:34.30 | robboplus | something ate 2GB of mem... and i can't find out what the hell is that |
| 06:34.34 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: but show us the whole error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) first |
| 06:34.37 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: i would expect so. |
| 06:34.38 | xingu | en1gma: ====== making target minimal_debian [new prereqs: ]====== |
| 06:34.48 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: it means `go and look at this fucking link' |
| 06:34.49 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: plus sources.list |
| 06:34.50 | xingu | en1gma: as I said, this smells like a boot floppies .config. |
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| 06:35.06 | dansushi[server] | i saw that dpkg said "No, no one uses vlc, not even the people who use it." |
| 06:35.19 | streuner_ | fun |
| 06:35.25 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: no, after that - he talked about why vlc isn't in testing |
| 06:35.30 | streuner_ | just answer our question |
| 06:35.32 | dansushi[server] | yeah, i missed that |
| 06:35.33 | en1gma | xingu trying to take in what your saying. gimmie a sec |
| 06:35.48 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: i like debian distros. the thing about debian is that the stable version packs are OLD. so i think i should install testing. right? maybe even install it on virtual machine, just in case? |
| 06:36.03 | troubled | xingu: heya |
| 06:36.28 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: depends on your needs. If you need something which won't break horribly to fall back upon, you could do that, yeah. |
| 06:36.29 | dansushi[server] | so, is there any way I can get it to work? |
| 06:36.40 | en1gma | xingu is this what i was supposed to try 'make menuconfig --config defconfig' |
| 06:36.46 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: how about to answer our question first? |
| 06:36.50 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: if you have a reasonable amount of experience I'd just go with testing, though |
| 06:36.54 | xingu | en1gma: make-kpkg ${youropts} --config defconfig |
| 06:36.54 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: link to testing with xfce? |
| 06:36.54 | sep | robboplus, nobody can read memory usage in top. you'd end up with a more used memory then you have available in your box, becouse of shared libraries. there have been written papers on the topic, so google for linux memory usage an hopefully you will find something. on the other hand you might want to try pressing [shift]+[m] while top is running. |
| 06:37.04 | en1gma | ohhh |
| 06:37.09 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: /msg dpkg backpor |
| 06:37.10 | Guerin | t |
| 06:37.20 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: link? it's not a website. |
| 06:37.40 | streuner_ | !info vlc testing |
| 06:37.49 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: the site has etch downloads. don't see testing though |
| 06:37.56 | en1gma | this problem lyes in the menuconfig option i think |
| 06:37.59 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:38.03 | en1gma | your way is a work around |
| 06:38.08 | en1gma | which is prob a good thing |
| 06:38.10 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: you need to install etch and upgrade. |
| 06:38.16 | en1gma | :) |
| 06:38.17 | streuner_ | dpkg> Package 'vlc' does not exist. |
| 06:38.19 | dansushi[server] | streuner_: "ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:38.19 | dansushi[server] | " |
| 06:38.23 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: actually, you need to refer to the install guide |
| 06:38.30 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: ok |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | streuner_: it's usually out of testing due to bugs |
| 06:38.41 | en1gma | streuner_ did you add main contrib and non-free tou source.list |
| 06:38.43 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: How about to try "xine" or "mplayer"? |
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| 06:38.58 | en1gma | vlc pwnz |
| 06:39.09 | streuner_ | en1gma: dude, thats the output of dpkg... |
| 06:39.09 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: anyways been planning to read the debian reference for some time now |
| 06:39.12 | en1gma | main contib non-free need to be in source list |
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| 06:39.17 | Guerin | meh, mplayer > * unless you need dvd menus |
| 06:39.20 | dansushi[server] | streuner_: yes, i know that that is also a possibility, but i happen to like vlc better than both of those |
| 06:39.37 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 06:39.42 | sep | robboplus, what makes you think something ate 2GB ram ? you are aware that linux uses unused ram for disk cache and that it often tricks people |
| 06:39.43 | dansushi[server] | the thing is, i've gotten it to work before on testing, |
| 06:39.49 | xingu | en1gma: the default is not to do menuconfig, it's to do oldconfig; in a few more minutes I'll know if the config is boot-floppies or defconfig. |
| 06:39.55 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: testing changes daily. |
| 06:40.01 | Guerin | it might work again tomorrow |
| 06:40.03 | dansushi[server] | yes, i know |
| 06:40.06 | Guerin | but today, it don't |
| 06:40.07 | en1gma | robboplus one thing if you dont mind....how do i remove that bridge |
| 06:40.32 | en1gma | router:/usr/src/linux-2.6.22.6# brctl show |
| 06:40.32 | en1gma | bridge name bridge id STP enabled interfaces |
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| 06:40.49 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: BTW, do i remember correctly? : 1st cd has everything needed for install including gnome? |
| 06:40.54 | en1gma | oh there isnt any there n, |
| 06:40.55 | Guerin | Ben_Cs: yep. |
| 06:40.57 | en1gma | nm* |
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| 06:41.49 | Ben_Cs | Guerin: ok thanks. |
| 06:41.59 | en1gma | i got to get some sleep alll...talk to you alls laters |
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| 06:42.30 | xingu | en1gma: the default is to use the debian default config from /usr/share/kernel-package/Config/config |
| 06:42.34 | en1gma | robboplus thnx for the help man |
| 06:42.41 | xingu | en1gma: and then to run make oldconfig over it |
| 06:42.41 | jmd_ | How do I get dpkg-buildpackage to sign my packages ? |
| 06:42.44 | en1gma | ok 1 sec i on stilll |
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| 06:42.58 | xingu | en1gma: if your tree is sourcing anything at all from /boot at build time then something's busted locally. |
| 06:43.21 | dansushi[server] | Guerin: i got it to install by changing lenny to sid in my sources.list file, and noww i just changed it back |
| 06:43.36 | dansushi[server] | that seem ok? |
| 06:43.37 | xingu | en1gma: I would *personally* suspect that you're rebuilding in an already populated tree which has your fubar .config in it. |
| 06:43.45 | xingu | en1gma: but that's a site-local problem and not a kpkg failing |
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| 06:44.06 | en1gma | xingu well here is my ex: i installed debian netinstall base 4.0r1 which i think came with a 2.6.22.1 is this correct? |
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| 06:44.18 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: hell, no. |
| 06:44.18 | xingu | no idea |
| 06:44.19 | dansushi[server] | streuner_: actually you were the one that helped me, thanks for the dpkg info |
| 06:44.19 | en1gma | or updates to it anyhow |
| 06:44.34 | dansushi[server] | wait, what? |
| 06:44.44 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: that's extremely dangerous. Did any other packages come in? |
| 06:44.47 | streuner_ | did you already install packages? |
| 06:44.55 | en1gma | anyway then i dloaded 2.6.22.6 and it in the guide i was following it didnt say make oldconfig it said use the config from /boot so i did |
| 06:45.03 | dansushi[server] | that's what /msg dpkg simple sid backport said to do- i think |
| 06:45.06 | en1gma | and there began my probs |
| 06:45.10 | Guerin | !think |
| 06:45.10 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 06:45.21 | dansushi[server] | Guerin: yeah |
| 06:45.25 | dansushi[server] | you want a list? |
| 06:45.33 | streuner_ | dansushi[server]: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:45.45 | streuner_ | !info libc6 |
| 06:45.47 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4303 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
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| 06:46.03 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: did it include libc6? |
| 06:46.07 | en1gma | once i used that very first installed kernel to make menuconfig with it was all bad from that point on....even right now my current .config is based off that .config and some options are acting funny |
| 06:46.18 | Guerin | dpkg, understand is We shall see but a little way if we require to understand what we see. --Thoreau |
| 06:46.18 | dpkg | ...but understand is already something else... |
| 06:46.21 | Guerin | NOES |
| 06:46.23 | dansushi[server] | iii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:46.24 | Guerin | !unerstand |
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| 06:46.27 | Guerin | !understand |
| 06:46.27 | dpkg | yes, guerin |
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| 06:46.39 | en1gma | ex: to begin with when i would select "load config" in menuconfig it would show the name of the config file down there and it dont no more |
| 06:46.56 | dansushi[server] | Guerin: these are the new ones that it installed: liba52-0.7.4 libavcodec1d libavformat1d libavutil1d libcaca0 libcdio6 libcucul0 libdc1394-13 libdvdnav4 libebml0 libfaad0 libgsm1 libid3tag0 libiso9660-4 liblircclient0 libmatroska0 libmpeg2-4 libnotify1 libpostproc1d libsdl-image1.2 libtar libtwolame0 libvcdinfo0 libvlc0 libwxbase2.6-0 libwxgtk2.6-0 libxosd2 vlc vlc-nox |
| 06:47.07 | jnguy[h] | Hey guys. I have a quick question. What is the ideal/prefered method for switching between various versions of java? |
| 06:47.20 | jnguy[h] | right now I just delete the symlinks and recreate them. |
| 06:47.54 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: all i asked wa sif the list included libc6. JATFQ. |
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| 06:48.10 | Guerin | jnguy[h]: that seems sanest |
| 06:48.14 | dansushi[server] | you also said: Did any other packages come in? |
| 06:48.18 | hark | jnguy[h]: update-java-alternatives |
| 06:48.30 | jnguy[h] | hark: Ah. Just what I was looking for. |
| 06:48.31 | Guerin | oh, there's a java-alternatives |
| 06:48.33 | jnguy[h] | Thanks. |
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| 06:48.44 | zap-clone | Hello |
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| 06:49.00 | zap-clone | does anybody have experience with running debian on an Xserve G5? |
| 06:49.03 | en1gma | xingu that config you found....check this out i was talking to like a couple other people yesterday day or the other day and no one could figure it out how to get a default config |
| 06:49.13 | en1gma | including wols_ so you doing aight man |
| 06:49.18 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: in any case, I don't much care. If you installed a new version of libc6, congrats, you're now running unstable. |
| 06:49.40 | dansushi[server] | you don't think that'll cause any problems? |
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| 06:49.52 | Guerin | !guess |
| 06:49.53 | dpkg | i guess guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 06:49.54 | en1gma | thnx for that info on how to get that .config correct. its going in my text doc |
| 06:49.54 | jnguy[h] | hark: I can't seem to find it via apt-cache... happen to know which package off the top of your head? |
| 06:50.07 | Guerin | dpkg: why don't you actually try to find out whether it happened? |
| 06:50.12 | Guerin | bah |
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| 06:50.14 | Guerin | dansushi[server]: ↑ |
| 06:50.22 | dansushi[server] | cross? |
| 06:50.29 | en1gma | aight n8 for real this time |
| 06:50.31 | en1gma | i sleepy |
| 06:50.31 | hark | jnguy[h]: java-common iirc |
| 06:50.33 | en1gma | peace! |
| 06:50.36 | jnguy[h] | thanks. |
| 06:51.15 | hark | jnguy[h]: you should already have that |
| 06:51.31 | jnguy[h] | I installed the jdks by hand. |
| 06:51.49 | jnguy[h] | but java-common has it. |
| 06:51.50 | jnguy[h] | Thanks! |
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| 06:58.52 | jesseboy12 | where do you go to statically configure the network? |
| 06:58.53 | GuHhH | hi! i can't boot my system. it stops loading when loading dvd drivers, but i used to run it with no problems... strange. how can i solve this? |
| 06:59.07 | GuHhH | jesseboy12: static ip? |
| 06:59.11 | jesseboy12 | yes |
| 06:59.15 | jesseboy12 | where is that config file |
| 06:59.24 | jesseboy12 | i checked /etc/network |
| 06:59.25 | GuHhH | jesseboy12: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:59.29 | jesseboy12 | hmm.... |
| 06:59.41 | GuHhH | (at least i guess so) :P |
| 06:59.54 | jesseboy12 | oh yah ok. |
| 06:59.57 | jesseboy12 | i just had it on dhcp |
| 06:59.59 | jesseboy12 | yah thanks |
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| 07:01.00 | GuHhH | np |
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| 07:03.43 | robboplus | Mem: 2075688k total, 917440k used, 1158248k free, |
| 07:03.48 | robboplus | i don't get it... NOTHING is running |
| 07:03.58 | robboplus | why is 900MB being reported as used? |
| 07:04.04 | Ben_Cs | robboplus: cached |
| 07:04.13 | robboplus | Ben_Cs so only virtually used then? |
| 07:04.20 | Ben_Cs | robboplus: yes |
| 07:04.29 | robboplus | hm... 749044k cached |
| 07:04.33 | Ben_Cs | robboplus: u run kde? |
| 07:04.36 | robboplus | nope |
| 07:04.46 | Ben_Cs | ok |
| 07:04.54 | robboplus | is that normal then? |
| 07:05.05 | simonrvn | what does kde have to do with the caching? |
| 07:05.07 | robboplus | i'm afraid that swapping will occur once i got over that 1GB limit |
| 07:05.07 | Ben_Cs | robboplus: yes. |
| 07:05.23 | simonrvn | robboplus: some swapping will always happen |
| 07:05.35 | robboplus | simonrvn i don't want swapping |
| 07:05.37 | Ben_Cs | simonrvn: kde shows how much is cached graphically in anice way |
| 07:05.40 | simonrvn | that's ok though. it's a good thing |
| 07:05.48 | robboplus | and really, is it possible to lower cached? |
| 07:05.49 | simonrvn | eye candy |
| 07:05.54 | robboplus | why is it just 700MB now? |
| 07:05.58 | robboplus | and not 200MB |
| 07:06.13 | simonrvn | robboplus: you can adjust the swappiness |
| 07:06.27 | simonrvn | default is 60% |
| 07:06.49 | Ben_Cs | robboplus: if u use "top" you'll see how your memory is managed |
| 07:06.50 | simonrvn | sec, i'll get the sysctl thingy for it |
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| 07:07.25 | robboplus | hm |
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| 07:07.35 | robboplus | controlling the swappiness sounds leet |
| 07:07.40 | robboplus | how can i do this? |
| 07:07.44 | simonrvn | robboplus: /etc/sysctl.conf --> vm.swappiness = someinteger |
| 07:07.51 | robboplus | oh wow |
| 07:07.57 | simonrvn | default is 60 |
| 07:08.09 | robboplus | so the higher % |
| 07:08.09 | Guerin | but why bother? |
| 07:08.20 | simonrvn | i don't usually ;) |
| 07:08.23 | robboplus | there is something wrong with my drives |
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| 07:08.33 | robboplus | and swapping will horribly slow down the box |
| 07:08.47 | simonrvn | not really, unless the drives are very slow |
| 07:08.54 | robboplus | they are sata |
| 07:08.59 | robboplus | but they cause lots of cpu load |
| 07:09.08 | simonrvn | crappy controller then |
| 07:09.09 | robboplus | i never sorted it out so i just avoid them being used |
| 07:09.16 | robboplus | onboard |
| 07:09.23 | robboplus | and i doubt it's controller itself |
| 07:09.35 | robboplus | more like irq mess |
| 07:09.57 | simonrvn | get another controller then. well onboard uses the main cpu(s), plsu anything extra the manuf. decided to include |
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| 07:10.24 | simonrvn | a controller that has its own manager pu will be better off |
| 07:10.47 | simonrvn | even if not, it'll be better |
| 07:13.01 | geo-rge | if you had a separate swap drive that might be better |
| 07:13.10 | robboplus | i'm sure about that |
| 07:13.15 | geo-rge | on a separate controller too |
| 07:13.37 | geo-rge | not on the same cable as any other drive |
| 07:14.10 | geo-rge | simonrvn: did you catch the rest of that thing? |
| 07:14.43 | simonrvn | yeh, that helps too |
| 07:15.55 | geo-rge | things that would hurt wrt that: having the swap in a file, having it on an LV, and especially having it on a file in a filesystem on an LV |
| 07:16.13 | simonrvn | seconded |
| 07:16.46 | geo-rge | then swapping might be a little less painful |
| 07:17.16 | geo-rge | that is if you put it on a swap partition on a separate drive |
| 07:17.45 | geo-rge | that way the only thing that gets to move its parts are the swapping mechanism |
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| 07:18.10 | spheard | !rsync |
| 07:18.11 | dpkg | [rsync] a superior network file synchronization program, you can find out more at http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/, or http://rsync.samba.org, or handy for downloading the latest kernel, eg: rsync -avz --partial rsync.kernel.org::pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.19.tar.bz2 /usr/local/home/peej/src/, or useful for backups as per http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
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| 07:18.34 | geo-rge | spheard: or /msg dpkg rsync |
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| 07:19.11 | enouf | who's nate? |
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| 07:26.21 | robboplus | lmao: 1864780k cached |
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| 07:26.44 | robboplus | it started doing that since i changed to 2.6.22 |
| 07:26.56 | robboplus | but i don't mind :) |
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| 07:31.21 | patrick-- | Hey, can someone tell me how i can extract a jar archive? |
| 07:31.28 | spheard | all the examples on here http://samba.anu.edu.au/rsync/examples.html, are to be run on the machine being backed up right? |
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| 07:32.13 | simonrvn | patrick--: it's just a zipped file |
| 07:32.43 | patrick-- | oh, ok |
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| 07:33.24 | patrick-- | so í basically unzip *.jar it? |
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| 07:33.48 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 07:36.10 | tarzeau | on alpha, the kernels meta pkgs are not up to date? linux-image-2.6-alpha-generic: Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-1-alpha-generic but it is not installable |
| 07:36.23 | tarzeau | but i already have ii linux-image-2.6.22-2-alpha-generic 2.6.22-4 |
| 07:36.33 | tarzeau | what's the equivalent on alpha like silo or update-grub? |
| 07:36.37 | tarzeau | or yboot? |
| 07:36.41 | tarzeau | or lilo |
| 07:37.10 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/ports/alpha/ not helpful? |
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| 07:39.18 | tarzeau | simonrvn: aboot, strange aboot.conf says 0:2/vmlinuz ro initrd=/initrd.img root=/dev/sda3 |
| 07:39.35 | tarzeau | simonrvn: and i booted 0, which is 2.6.22-2 .. |
| 07:40.18 | simonrvn | and...? i don't know this stuff |
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| 08:03.09 | jetscreamer | shhhhhhh be vewy vewy qwiet |
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| 08:04.44 | spheard | I'm having problems working out rsync, that is, where do I run what which how and where etc, , , , |
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| 08:14.42 | fireba11 | *wee* AMD announced they will actively support and participate in writing opensource drivers for their new graphic chipsets :-D |
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| 08:17.34 | ameyer | fireba11: in related news, it's -100F in Hell, and a flock of pigs was spotted at 10000 feet |
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| 08:17.46 | muep | :D |
| 08:17.54 | fireba11 | hehe ... no, i'm serious :-D |
| 08:18.27 | muep | i've read that in phoronix and lwn, but still find it too good to be true |
| 08:18.53 | ameyer | fireba11: so was I |
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| 08:19.02 | fireba11 | muep: red it on two of the biggest german newsportals for IT |
| 08:19.05 | ameyer | seriously, I'll believe it when I see it |
| 08:19.17 | ameyer | and I don't see it |
| 08:20.03 | ameyer | (on the other hand, linux users are going for Intel chips because they can have a properly supported graphics card on linux) |
| 08:20.14 | muep | ameyer: me too, but if see them giving what they are promising, I'll go and buy an R600 based card |
| 08:20.40 | ameyer | I'm guessing that nvidia will follow suit if it actually happens |
| 08:20.48 | fireba11 | i guess they realised they oculd get a bunch of fans that way;-) |
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| 08:21.02 | ameyer | muep: if they deliver, my next pc will have an AMD chip |
| 08:21.18 | ameyer | whenever I get the money together to buy parts |
| 08:21.37 | muep | I'll have to get one for my current pc, because a new one isn't looming in the horizon |
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| 08:22.05 | ameyer | I can't guarantee it'll have ATI graphics, that depends on many factors |
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| 08:23.07 | mesof | how do i mount an ide drive? |
| 08:23.18 | muep | I have an X300 card that would otherwise be perfect for me, but it doesn't run flightgear well |
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| 08:23.24 | mesof | that is plugged in and running? |
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| 08:24.03 | ameyer | it has a lot to do with price, performance, how good the linux drivers are, whether they're actually open, all that stuff |
| 08:25.10 | muep | ameyer: yes, that's true... but even if they get us an open driver that is only as decent as the current free driver, I'll serously consider it |
| 08:25.26 | muep | the fglrx driver is getting a major boost, too |
| 08:25.38 | rsdvd | mesof : as lng as it contains a valid filesystem mount /dev/hd?? /mountpoint same as any mount (where ?? is the location of the partition a1 for instance) |
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| 08:26.26 | ameyer | well, ATI's drivers need to stop sucking for their open drivers to be worth a damn |
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| 08:27.11 | ameyer | although my ancient mach64-based laptop does surprisingly well |
| 08:27.19 | ameyer | for what it is |
| 08:27.33 | muep | ameyer: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=822&num=1 |
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| 08:28.02 | muep | according to the article, they have removed a lot of the sucky parts |
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| 08:28.24 | Arafangion | Why doesn't amsn seem to work quite right on fluxbox? |
| 08:28.53 | mesof | rsdvd: how do i found out the ?? part? |
| 08:28.55 | jetscreamer | can be sd? nowadays, but not etch |
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| 08:29.05 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l ? |
| 08:29.07 | Arafangion | The idiotic message telling me that there's a newer version comes up, (Idiotic because if I wanted to update, I'd just apt-get upgrade!!!), but then I can't access any of the other dialogues - it hides them! |
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| 08:31.46 | mesof | it says i must specify the specific filesystem |
| 08:32.06 | muep | mount -t <filesystem> |
| 08:32.13 | muep | what filesystem does it use? |
| 08:32.31 | Rhoruns_ | heeey guys, what's up? :) |
| 08:32.36 | xand | the sky |
| 08:32.49 | mesof | muep: i think it's ntfs |
| 08:33.05 | muep | mesof: then add -t ntfs to the mount command |
| 08:33.05 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 08:33.05 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 08:34.06 | mesof | muep: now i get an error of wrong filesystem or other possible error |
| 08:34.22 | muep | mesof: which device were you mounting? |
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| 08:34.31 | mesof | hda |
| 08:34.40 | muep | try hda1 |
| 08:34.56 | mesof | same error |
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| 08:35.02 | muep | or did you check with fstab -l or some other way that it is hda? |
| 08:35.36 | muep | you may try -t vfat instead of -t ntfs if your drive happens to be formatted with FAT32 |
| 08:35.40 | mesof | okay it mounted |
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| 08:36.11 | mesof | but nothing is in the directory |
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| 08:36.27 | muep | is it an empty drive? |
| 08:36.32 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l |
| 08:36.34 | rsdvd | then either the drive is empty or it did not mount |
| 08:36.34 | jetscreamer | L |
| 08:36.47 | jetscreamer | you would see sysvol at least |
| 08:36.54 | rsdvd | type 'mount' and see what is mounted |
| 08:36.57 | jetscreamer | and probably a recycler.. if it was ntfs |
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| 08:37.10 | jetscreamer | and if it was mounted |
| 08:37.25 | mesof | shoot it mounted as vfat |
| 08:37.36 | mesof | unmount it and remount it as ntfs? |
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| 08:37.41 | jetscreamer | then it's vfat |
| 08:37.48 | jetscreamer | aka fat32 |
| 08:37.56 | Arafangion | jetscreamer: Not fat12? ;) |
| 08:37.58 | mesof | but i think i forgot the -l ntfs part |
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| 08:38.07 | dummy123 | hello folks how do i pass the option -Duse64bitint to the configure stage when building a perl package |
| 08:38.21 | rsdvd | if it was ntfs then it woudl not have allowed you to mount ti at vfat |
| 08:38.25 | zorg_the_false | q. is update-rc.d ubuntu specific or is it supported by debian too ? |
| 08:38.39 | mesof | well how come i can't see it in the directory then? |
| 08:38.40 | Arafangion | zorg_the_false: It's inherited from debian. |
| 08:38.51 | zorg_the_false | Arafangion: ok thanks. |
| 08:38.54 | Arafangion | zorg_the_false: But the names of the services to execute may have changed. |
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| 08:39.11 | rsdvd | mesof : are there more then 1 partrition on the drive? |
| 08:39.18 | mesof | rsdvd: no |
| 08:39.26 | dummy123 | i tried using DEB_BUILD_OPTION=" -Duse64bitint" dpkg-buildpackage but i don't see the build script picking up that value |
| 08:39.26 | zorg_the_false | Arafangion: it is ok, this is to be used in my pacakge to install the /etc/rc.d/ of my apps |
| 08:39.26 | rsdvd | are you sure :-) |
| 08:39.32 | mesof | it's a windows drive i really need to get some files off of |
| 08:39.47 | mesof | rsdvd: it's had some boot problems however |
| 08:39.57 | rsdvd | mesof : many ntfs installs also have a small vfat for 'recovery' |
| 08:40.00 | zorg_the_false | Arafangion: btw do you know if it is supported by other distro like suse/fedora/redhat ? |
| 08:40.15 | mesof | rsdvd: well then i need to mount it as ntfs |
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| 08:40.42 | rsdvd | you need to know which partition you are trying to mount - what does fdisk -L show? |
| 08:40.53 | mesof | unmount /hda1 |
| 08:41.21 | simonrvn | zorg_the_false: debian doesn't have an /etc/rc.d |
| 08:41.30 | rsdvd | oops 'fdisk -l' (lowercase) |
| 08:41.42 | Ben_Cs | is there a way to do, that when i unmount a DOK, the electricity to it stops? |
| 08:41.47 | Ben_Cs | (likw WinXP) |
| 08:41.55 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: what? |
| 08:41.57 | zorg_the_false | simonrvn: i meant rc.[0-6].d :) |
| 08:41.59 | mesof | oh it's hda2 inside of hda |
| 08:42.04 | Arafangion | zorg_the_false: It's /etc/init.d/ |
| 08:42.10 | mesof | ntfs is the boot? |
| 08:42.23 | zorg_the_false | Arafangion: there are no /etc/rc.[0-6].d per runlevel ? |
| 08:42.28 | mesof | no wait, it's ntfs as hda1 |
| 08:42.29 | rsdvd | mesof : in that case there are 2 partiations hda1& hda2....hda is the complete block device |
| 08:42.38 | mesof | hda1 has the info |
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| 08:42.42 | mesof | of hda |
| 08:42.53 | Arafangion | zorg_the_false: Hmm, yes there's /etc/rc[0-6].d, now that I check. |
| 08:43.02 | zorg_the_false | Arafangion: ok thanks :) |
| 08:43.09 | Arafangion | zorg_the_false: Why don't you install debian and check? |
| 08:43.12 | rsdvd | mesof : just pastebin the output os fdisk -l |
| 08:43.12 | mesof | and hda1 is ntfs |
| 08:43.13 | Ben_Cs | simonrvn: in WinXP when DOK attached, the light on DOK is on. when you do "remove hardware" to the DOK the light goes off. can u do the same in debian? |
| 08:43.20 | mesof | rsdvd: it's ntfs |
| 08:43.32 | Arafangion | Ben_Cs: DOK? |
| 08:43.36 | zorg_the_false | Arafangion: just a matter of time :) thanks for the info |
| 08:43.38 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: a) what is a "DOK"? |
| 08:43.41 | jetscreamer | dock |
| 08:43.45 | Ben_Cs | Arafangion: Disk On Key |
| 08:43.52 | jetscreamer | unplug the usb device thingy |
| 08:43.54 | jetscreamer | o |
| 08:43.58 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: b) stop comparing debian and winxp, they are different OSes |
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| 08:44.00 | jetscreamer | memstick |
| 08:44.30 | Ben_Cs | simonrvn: not comparing. looking for a way to do this little thing |
| 08:44.34 | Arafangion | Ben_Cs: What's a "Disk On Key"? |
| 08:44.45 | Ben_Cs | Arafangion: usb flash drive |
| 08:44.45 | rsdvd | mesof : I rarely mount NTFS drives, as I have no dual-boot machines, but as far as I know you will have to specify the user and password during the mount as NTFS is encrypted based onthe user |
| 08:44.57 | Arafangion | Ben_Cs: Why not just call it a usb disk? |
| 08:45.16 | mesof | it's encrypted? |
| 08:45.20 | Ben_Cs | Arafangion: u can call it whatever u want (it has many names) |
| 08:45.20 | mesof | well i know the login |
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| 08:45.22 | xand | encryption won't work |
| 08:45.38 | mesof | but i can't mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 08:45.38 | xand | unless you specify encryption, it won't be encrypted, and permissions will be ignored |
| 08:45.40 | Arafangion | Ben_Cs: If it has many names, why not just call it by the most common and least confusing name? |
| 08:45.54 | asdx | is the jabber package jabberd2? |
| 08:45.57 | Ben_Cs | Arafangion: whoever i know say DOK |
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| 08:46.04 | rsdvd | mesof : bad termonaology on my part - I just mean the allocation tables are hashed against a user name |
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| 08:46.23 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: not in this world |
| 08:46.38 | mesof | rsdvd: what, how do i fix it? |
| 08:46.46 | zorg_the_false | not sure it is that important to argue about the name :) |
| 08:47.32 | simonrvn | asdx: there are a few. /msg dpkg search |
| 08:47.43 | fasta | Is it possible to stop powering the graphics card and then later power it again? |
| 08:48.05 | Arafangion | fasta: Yes. |
| 08:48.16 | Ben_Cs | simonrvn: the thing is that when i unmount the flash drive the light stop blinking and i see it isn't busy, and remove it. the problem is with an ipod. there, the light indicating busy blinks all the time, so everytime i want to unmount it without damaging i have to shut down the pc. WHY? |
| 08:48.22 | fasta | Arafangion: how? |
| 08:48.26 | Arafangion | fasta: It's called the PB. (Power Button, in the spirit of following this "DOK" thing) |
| 08:48.30 | Rhoruns_ | can anyone help me with some simple MySQL privilege problems? |
| 08:48.39 | mesof | rsdvd: so i just can't mount it? |
| 08:48.47 | fasta | Arafangion: I mean the rest of the OS should still work.... |
| 08:48.52 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: man mount; umount /media/whatever . problem solved |
| 08:49.18 | Arafangion | fasta: Not generally, afaik, unless you have fancy hot-pluggable server hardware, but they'd unlikely to have graphics cards... |
| 08:49.29 | Ben_Cs | simonrvn: yes, but after that the light "busy" is still blinking |
| 08:49.35 | rsdvd | mesof : a simple mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/temp should have at least got a mounted filesystem |
| 08:49.38 | mesof | wait i just install ntfs-3g |
| 08:49.48 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 08:49.49 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: "mount" command to see if it's still mounted |
| 08:49.55 | jelly-home | Ben_Cs: tried "eject /dev/whatever" ? |
| 08:50.03 | Ben_Cs | jelly-home:nope |
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| 08:50.16 | simonrvn | i would suggest it |
| 08:50.18 | mesof | there's something i'm not telling you, on bootup i get an error on the disk, just alone, i get error, not a system disk |
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| 08:50.22 | Ben_Cs | jelly-home: how's eject different from umount? |
| 08:50.23 | asdx | simonrvn: thanks |
| 08:50.24 | mesof | as i haven't used it in a while |
| 08:50.37 | rsdvd | mesof : what sort of error? |
| 08:50.38 | simonrvn | Ben_Cs: man eject |
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| 08:51.03 | mesof | wrong fs, bad error, bad fileblock |
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| 08:51.14 | mesof | bad superblock bad option |
| 08:51.23 | mesof | i get a not a bootable system disk error |
| 08:51.24 | rsdvd | mesof : lol - ok you have a very poorly drive |
| 08:51.25 | Rhoruns_ | you're using ntfs with linux??? LOL |
| 08:51.25 | jetscreamer | in other words, wrong fs type |
| 08:51.29 | mesof | as the drive hasn't been used in a while |
| 08:51.31 | mesof | 2 months |
| 08:51.35 | Ben_Cs | simonrvn: ok will try, thanks |
| 08:51.37 | jetscreamer | it's probably vfat also |
| 08:51.38 | Arafangion | Rhoruns_: Linux has ntfs support now. |
| 08:51.43 | Rhoruns_ | holy crap |
| 08:51.45 | Rhoruns_ | when how!??! |
| 08:51.47 | Arafangion | Rhoruns_: Though not in the kernel proper, afaik. |
| 08:51.52 | Rhoruns_ | oh ok |
| 08:51.52 | mesof | dude i'm trying to get some files from the drive |
| 08:51.53 | Arafangion | Rhoruns_: It has for ages. |
| 08:52.04 | Arafangion | Rhoruns_: The kernel proper has read-only with partial write support for ages. |
| 08:52.05 | jetscreamer | use ntfs-3g to write, the regular ntfs to read |
| 08:52.05 | Rhoruns_ | oh ok, i wasn't aware :P sorry |
| 08:52.17 | jetscreamer | partial meaning funky |
| 08:52.21 | mesof | jetscreamer: but how do i access it? |
| 08:52.26 | Arafangion | Rhoruns_: But you can either use ntfs-3g, or paragon-ntfs to do the complete support. :) |
| 08:52.34 | Rhoruns_ | lol |
| 08:52.56 | rsdvd | my recommendation would be to steer clear of ntfs-3g......NTFS is not a good filessytem for anything other then windows |
| 08:52.58 | jetscreamer | mesof: as root, mount -t auto /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever |
| 08:52.59 | Arafangion | Rhoruns_: Now that we have ntfs-3g, there's no sane reason why people would use paragon-ntfs, because that costs money :) |
| 08:53.09 | Rhoruns_ | rofl.. that's so weird |
| 08:53.10 | jetscreamer | ntfs3g works fine so far |
| 08:53.11 | rsdvd | use the existing ro support to simply get files from it |
| 08:53.17 | Rhoruns_ | does that mean it's compatible with windows? |
| 08:53.27 | Arafangion | rsdvd: It's becomming a good solution for exchanging files with the dualbooted windows. |
| 08:53.37 | Rhoruns_ | ah, cool. |
| 08:53.39 | Arafangion | rsdvd: I wouldn't want to install ext2/3 support on vista. :( |
| 08:53.41 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 08:53.47 | jetscreamer | i write torrents to ntfs |
| 08:53.57 | jetscreamer | ran outta room |
| 08:53.58 | rsdvd | Arafangion : I have to admint to not using it for quite a while : but I prefer to keep my OSs on differnt boxes |
| 08:54.15 | Arafangion | rsdvd: Same, but I can't afford that. :) |
| 08:54.32 | Arafangion | rsdvd: I'm forced to dualboot - one can't chug around two laptops. |
| 08:54.38 | rsdvd | :-0 I run about 8 machines here all with differnt OSs |
| 08:54.48 | DustyBin | would you guys say that NFS is a old networking protocol what can now be replaced with newer methods of sharing partitions over a network? |
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| 08:54.52 | jetscreamer | i have 5 or 6 that all dual boot |
| 08:54.55 | mesof | jetscreamer: yeah it's not mounting |
| 08:54.58 | Arafangion | rsdvd: I'm a uni student, forced to run windows with a copy of VS, I'd run it in VMware, but I need hardware acceleration. |
| 08:55.11 | Arafangion | DustyBin: No. |
| 08:55.18 | Rhoruns_ | i've got 7 here, including a laptop, but only have 3 of them running right now, im not even sure if the others work |
| 08:55.23 | Rhoruns_ | i should revive them with linux :D |
| 08:55.41 | jetscreamer | mesof: did you ever do fdisk -l ? |
| 08:55.44 | jetscreamer | that's an L |
| 08:55.46 | rsdvd | Arafangion : in your case then I understand. When VMware improve the video driver things will be better |
| 08:55.53 | mesof | jetscreamer: yes |
| 08:55.55 | Arafangion | Rhoruns_: I have 2, and one partial. :) (It just needs memory, then I could set something up with an NFS root directory) |
| 08:56.25 | mesof | it's hda /dev/hda1 ntfs |
| 08:56.25 | DustyBin | Arafangion: is there a such thing as 'SNFS' ? |
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| 08:56.25 | Arafangion | DustyBin: No, what is the 'S' for? |
| 08:56.26 | DustyBin | SSH? |
| 08:56.33 | Arafangion | DustyBin: There's sshfs. |
| 08:56.38 | DustyBin | oh right |
| 08:56.38 | Arafangion | DustyBin: But I'll bet it's slow. |
| 08:56.46 | DustyBin | NFS is pretty slow |
| 08:56.49 | Rhoruns_ | dude, i got this awesome dual-xeon workstation (needs pc800 ram), and i got a 600mhz celeron with it, all only for $60. |
| 08:56.55 | jetscreamer | well if mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt does not work then you need to run chkdsk on it probably from windows |
| 08:57.04 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 08:57.05 | cast | DustyBin: NFSv4 is relatively quite new |
| 08:57.08 | DustyBin | transfering files over my LAN via SFTP is much faster than NFS |
| 08:57.13 | mesof | dangit i can't find the xp cd |
| 08:57.14 | Rhoruns_ | im running Deb on the celeron, and i REALLY want to boot up that dual-xeon.. lol |
| 08:57.27 | mesof | i only have a 98 and a 2000 |
| 08:57.31 | Rhoruns_ | but rambus ram is sooo expensive :( |
| 08:57.32 | mesof | but the 2000 won't boot |
| 08:57.35 | yang | I have troubles configuring sound, there are 2 devices known with alsaconf - > hda-intel Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Con│ │legacy Probe legacy ISA (non-PnP) chips |
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| 08:58.10 | DustyBin | http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html |
| 08:58.16 | simonrvn | s,for anything other then windows,, |
| 08:58.18 | DustyBin | i think i will give that a go |
| 08:58.35 | jelly-home | DustyBin: then you're doing something wrong this nfs, it ought to be quite fast |
| 08:58.45 | Arafangion | Infact, NFS should be faster than even samba. |
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| 08:58.55 | mesof | arg |
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| 08:59.06 | DustyBin | im transfering a file onto my macbook pro from my linux server |
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| 08:59.21 | DustyBin | it doesnt give details, but its pretty slow |
| 08:59.33 | DustyBin | maybe it could be something to do with my settings on the server |
| 08:59.36 | jelly-home | DustyBin: MacOS X? |
| 08:59.52 | DustyBin | im using os x now yes |
| 09:00.02 | yang | If I choose hda-intel ICH7 soundcard I dont get any sound |
| 09:00.15 | jelly-home | Arafangion: what good would v4 do to speed thing up compared to nfs v2 or v3? |
| 09:00.40 | DustyBin | /mnt/netstore 192.168.0.4(rw,sync,insecure,subtree_check) |
| 09:00.50 | simonrvn | eew |
| 09:00.50 | DustyBin | thats my export file |
| 09:00.53 | Arafangion | jelly-home: I actually don't know the specifics. :) |
| 09:01.08 | Arafangion | DustyBin: ... WHy "sync", "insecure", and "subtree_check"? |
| 09:01.11 | yang | and then i get an error with "alsamixer" alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
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| 09:01.20 | DustyBin | insecure is to make it work with os x |
| 09:01.22 | jelly-home | DustyBin: replace the sync bit with async, try again |
| 09:01.39 | DustyBin | ok |
| 09:01.42 | jelly-home | DustyBin: the other stuff is not relevant |
| 09:01.43 | simonrvn | seriously? that's sick |
| 09:02.32 | jelly-home | simonrvn: matching numeric uids of different OSes and accounts is sick too. |
| 09:03.08 | mesof | jetscreamer: so something in the boot of the hd is screwed up therefor it will not mount: |
| 09:03.11 | mesof | ? |
| 09:03.24 | simonrvn | ugh. but! ldap ;) |
| 09:03.30 | jetscreamer | mesof: it should work, but it's not. all i know. |
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| 09:03.40 | psykon | hey |
| 09:03.54 | DustyBin | i read somewhere that learning ldap properly is heavy stuff |
| 09:03.57 | psykon | guys, is it possible to choose which drivers to install when installing xorg? |
| 09:04.07 | jelly-home | simonrvn: "oh, you want to share files between your mac laptop and linux machine? Sure, just install a directory service..." |
| 09:04.13 | jetscreamer | you 'can' |
| 09:04.33 | jetscreamer | deselect xserver-xorg-video-all or whatever |
| 09:04.47 | jetscreamer | and choose the one(s) you want |
| 09:04.48 | cast | psykon: short on space eh? |
| 09:05.03 | simonrvn | jelly-home: mac os comes with one ;) |
| 09:05.04 | Savage-{ | anybody know how to switch default soundcards for games like Enemy Territory? |
| 09:05.05 | mesof | deselect xserver-xorg-video-all? |
| 09:05.16 | psykon | cast: i don't want to download everything |
| 09:05.17 | simonrvn | jelly-home: better than using netinfo *shudder* |
| 09:05.31 | Savage-{ | I have used asoundconf set-default-card Headset and it doesn't work for Enemy Territory |
| 09:05.40 | jelly-home | NIS+ has a + in its name! |
| 09:05.55 | simonrvn | jelly-home: -_- |
| 09:05.58 | jetscreamer | try hw:1 vs hw0 Savage-{ |
| 09:06.06 | jetscreamer | err hw:0 |
| 09:06.08 | simonrvn | jelly-home: (i know you're joking though, it's all good ;) |
| 09:06.13 | Savage-{ | in asoundconf? |
| 09:06.26 | simonrvn | what's this asoundconf? |
| 09:06.37 | Savage-{ | alsa configuration I think |
| 09:06.46 | simonrvn | alsaconf |
| 09:06.50 | Savage-{ | hmm |
| 09:06.52 | Savage-{ | not sure then |
| 09:07.00 | Savage-{ | but I have gathered that from google |
| 09:07.06 | simonrvn | !+info asoundconf |
| 09:07.07 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:07.07 | Savage-{ | but nothing is clear enough yet |
| 09:07.09 | dpkg | Package 'asoundconf' does not exist. |
| 09:07.16 | Arafangion | DustyBin: It's basically fairly raw. |
| 09:07.19 | jetscreamer | !find asoundconf |
| 09:07.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'asoundconf' (1): (/usr/bin/asoundconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 09:07.30 | simonrvn | heh, was about to, thanks |
| 09:07.31 | Arafangion | DustyBin: Fundamentally it's really just a hierachial database. |
| 09:07.34 | simonrvn | ah |
| 09:07.45 | simonrvn | first time i've heard of it |
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| 09:08.07 | simonrvn | aah ok |
| 09:08.10 | Savage-{ | yeah it works for gnome but not games |
| 09:08.21 | simonrvn | NAME asoundconf - utility to read and change the user’s ALSA library configuration |
| 09:08.56 | mesof | JETS! |
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| 09:10.44 | jetscreamer | nn |
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| 09:10.54 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: g'night dude |
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| 09:13.18 | mesof | fine pictures formatted! |
| 09:14.10 | simonrvn | mesof: o_O |
| 09:14.18 | mesof | PICTURES FORMATTED! |
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| 09:14.54 | simonrvn | wtf? |
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| 09:16.23 | simonrvn | nm, i may grok it someday |
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| 09:18.44 | cast | #mercurial is really helpful :) |
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| 09:19.01 | cast | which is about on par with freenode if you ask me |
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| 09:36.31 | spheard | !benchmark |
| 09:36.31 | dpkg | hmm... benchmark is $ time foo; |
| 09:37.00 | spheard | If I wanted to comparison 2 CPUs what would I use to do this? |
| 09:37.15 | spheard | Is there an industry standard CPU benchmark? |
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| 09:37.48 | gui__ | hi |
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| 09:38.11 | gui__ | please what's the best way to test bandwidth on a server ? |
| 09:38.53 | toor | gui__: transfer a file |
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| 09:39.02 | gui__ | ok |
| 09:39.27 | gui__ | and if I have many server on a line and I want to test this line ?? |
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| 09:42.12 | tarzeau | does anyone use this script for etch or sid netboot/nfsroot? http://wiki.debian.org/NFSRootInitrdScript |
| 09:42.27 | tarzeau | where do you put it? why would my debian kernel crash right after INIT when trying to netboot/nfsroot? |
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| 09:45.20 | alex^^ | anyone here using xen with enomilism? |
| 09:46.06 | cast | what is enomilism? |
| 09:46.17 | cast | a way of sharing machine resources? |
| 09:46.21 | petemc | xen management thing |
| 09:46.27 | cast | ahh. |
| 09:47.38 | alex^^ | petemc, you use it? :) |
| 09:47.38 | Arafangion | Is freenx worth using, or should I just try the official nomachine version? |
| 09:47.48 | petemc | alex^^: no |
| 09:48.10 | petemc | Arafangion: i use nomachine debs, they work fine - you're supposed to pay for them at some point tho |
| 09:49.03 | Arafangion | petemc: Supposed to, but I'm a mere user, and two concurrent users is more than I need. :) (Not a bad price, though) |
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| 09:50.32 | slapfaceware | a fair amount of debian developers recently resigned from the project after some developers asked to get paid for working for debian, is that true? |
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| 09:52.37 | psykon | hey guys, shouldn't non-free repo have nvidia drivers? |
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| 09:53.50 | jpa_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.56 | jpa_ | or are there any other apps like firefox or thunderbird which work without root rights? |
| 09:54.05 | sag_ich_nicht | hello. am i missing some workaround/fix or is the "you have newmail" being written instead of "you have new mail" when you use maildirs bug still in pam(i have found reports of it starting in 2001)? |
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| 09:54.34 | nasas | hi people |
| 09:54.38 | nasas | i have a big problem |
| 09:54.42 | nasas | i can't use apt |
| 09:54.44 | nasas | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.50 | sag_ich_nicht | sure jpa_ most binaries work without root rights, just put them in ~/bin oO |
| 09:55.04 | petemc | i think he means install |
| 09:55.15 | jpa_ | yes like pidgin source |
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| 09:55.28 | jpa_ | i tried but it needed gtk so it didnt work |
| 09:55.49 | jpa_ | now i am looking for some apps to get my work place a litte better |
| 09:56.09 | sag_ich_nicht | petemc "install" is very vague :P |
| 09:56.14 | petemc | sag_ich_nicht: is it? |
| 09:56.22 | petemc | it seems specific to me |
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| 09:58.05 | jpa_ | is there a website where i can find some binaries? |
| 09:59.05 | sag_ich_nicht | well, considering you could have a propritary binary installer, something like aptitude, a .deb package and use dpkg, just copy a binary in with cp, compile it from scratch... all falls into the same category of putting a binary in a place where it's usable :P |
| 10:00.53 | jpa_ | okay so i have a pidgin deb package how do i get this work on my home folder or somewhere else? |
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| 10:01.37 | Ast001 | Hello |
| 10:01.41 | Ast001 | I have great sound problem |
| 10:01.53 | Ast001 | I have no sound on my Debian system |
| 10:02.07 | Ast001 | amd64 etch |
| 10:02.49 | nasas | how i can fix this error? |
| 10:02.51 | sag_ich_nicht | jpa_ do you lack root rights on that machine or something? |
| 10:03.15 | cast | Ast001: can root get sound? ran alsaconf? |
| 10:03.21 | Ast001 | On Gigabyte web site I found information that if I need linux driver I need to go to chipset vendors or to get third party driver |
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| 10:03.27 | Ast001 | NO |
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| 10:03.50 | cast | what chipset is it? nforce? |
| 10:03.51 | psykon | how do i stop nvidiafb from automagically starting and setting the res-? |
| 10:03.56 | ghatak | can i increase the size of tmpfs mounted in ram without loosing files on it ? |
| 10:03.58 | Ast001 | NO SUPORTED PNP or PCI card found |
| 10:03.59 | jpa_ | i dont have any root rights.. i just want to install my pidgin and some usefull apps.. i found 2 binaries deb files of pidgin but i cant install it |
| 10:04.01 | jpa_ | :( |
| 10:04.22 | jpa_ | i dont want to use licq but this is installed on my system |
| 10:04.28 | cast | jpa_: i'd just ask the admin to install it... |
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| 10:04.42 | Ast001 | so I went on Realtek web site and found linux driver |
| 10:04.54 | Ast001 | but when I do ./install for automatic installation I get |
| 10:04.55 | Ast001 | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 10:04.55 | Ast001 | See `config.log' for more details. |
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| 10:05.19 | jpa_ | he is not here and wont be soon we work in different places so there is no way>? |
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| 10:06.07 | nasas | hi people |
| 10:06.13 | jpa_ | no way to install deb packages without root rights? :( |
| 10:06.17 | nasas | how i can fix this error? |
| 10:06.19 | nasas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:06.40 | liable | !b-e Ast001 |
| 10:06.40 | dpkg | Ast001: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 10:06.42 | petemc | jpa_: no |
| 10:07.06 | Ast001 | aptitude install build-essential ? |
| 10:07.15 | cast | he can't do that :\ |
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| 10:07.41 | Ast001 | just did it |
| 10:07.55 | cast | oh...my bad. was mixing up jpa_ and Ast001 |
| 10:08.18 | cast | jpa_: could drop a livecd in, reboot, change the root passwd hash [saving the old one] :) |
| 10:08.41 | petemc | you dont need a live cd |
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| 10:09.22 | jpa_ | petemc how would you solve this problem |
| 10:09.23 | jpa_ | ? |
| 10:09.23 | cast | theres single user mode, can't remember if thatp romted for the root pass or not |
| 10:09.24 | Ast001 | yes if you just need to change password you can do init=/bin/bash at boot |
| 10:09.35 | cast | ahh, good point :> |
| 10:09.51 | jpa_ | so there you can change your root pwd? Oo |
| 10:09.57 | Trewas | nasas: that file comes in package debconf which is priority required so it should be always installed... |
| 10:10.21 | Ast001 | just need to remount / partition with rw after boot and you can do it |
| 10:10.35 | cast | jpa_: save the old one, though, incase old admin gets pissy |
| 10:10.35 | Ast001 | mount -o rw,remount /what/ /where/ |
| 10:10.36 | petemc | !ifrp |
| 10:10.36 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 10:12.00 | psykon | guys... anyone? |
| 10:12.08 | cast | !guys |
| 10:12.36 | jpa_ | ok i try |
| 10:12.38 | jpa_ | thx |
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| 10:14.41 | Ast001 | hey now it compiles the driver |
| 10:15.23 | psykon | i can't believe not one person in this channel owns a nvidia graphics card |
| 10:15.23 | psykon | :/ |
| 10:15.23 | psykon | doesn't really no one use a nvidia card? :/ |
| 10:15.33 | DustyBin | i do |
| 10:15.38 | Ast001 | i do to |
| 10:15.43 | DustyBin | whats the problem |
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| 10:15.49 | DustyBin | fx5200 |
| 10:16.26 | Ast001 | oh no after compiling the driver it started alsaconf and did not found anything |
| 10:16.37 | psykon | DustyBin: and do you use the proprietary drivers? |
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| 10:16.52 | DustyBin | yes i do, i use the 'nvidia' driver |
| 10:17.02 | psykon | ok, are they in the repo? |
| 10:17.09 | DustyBin | they are in non-free i believe |
| 10:17.21 | psykon | what's your version of debian? |
| 10:17.27 | DustyBin | debian etch 4.0 |
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| 10:17.33 | psykon | etch :/ |
| 10:17.36 | psykon | well anyway |
| 10:17.41 | psykon | how did you disable nvidiafb? |
| 10:17.53 | psykon | it gets loaded automagically here :/ |
| 10:18.04 | Ast001 | it has an error configure: error: this packages requires a curses library |
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| 10:18.14 | psykon | and it conflicts with the xorg driver |
| 10:18.16 | DustyBin | i didnt, i just installed the drivers / re-patched the kernel and it worked IIRC |
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| 10:18.32 | psykon | anyone ? |
| 10:18.47 | DustyBin | what version of debian are you using? |
| 10:18.56 | deepspace | apt-get is completely broken for me...I keep getting an error "/usr/sbin/update-gdkpixbuf-loaders: line 5: mktemp: command not found" |
| 10:19.02 | deepspace | I have no idea where to begin with this. |
| 10:19.13 | deepspace | I can't install mktemp; I get that same error |
| 10:19.14 | psykon | DustyBin: lenny |
| 10:19.47 | DustyBin | you need to install the relevant module |
| 10:19.50 | DustyBin | nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 10:19.53 | DustyBin | etc |
| 10:19.58 | psykon | problem is, it does not exist |
| 10:20.02 | psykon | but that is not even the problem |
| 10:20.12 | psykon | the problem is that nvidiafb keeps getting automagically loaded |
| 10:20.13 | hark | deepspace: mktemp is a required package, how come you don't have it? |
| 10:20.24 | psykon | and it conflicts with the xorg drivers |
| 10:20.25 | DustyBin | i dont even know what nvidiafb is |
| 10:20.26 | psykon | *driver |
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| 10:20.27 | deepspace | I haven't any idea. |
| 10:20.41 | psykon | omg |
| 10:20.42 | hark | psykon: are you using debian drivers or from nvidia's site? |
| 10:20.51 | psykon | hark: there are no debian drivers |
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| 10:20.58 | psykon | and i'm not using anything because i can't |
| 10:21.02 | psykon | i just told you |
| 10:21.11 | psykon | my problem is that nvidiafb gets automagically loaded |
| 10:21.11 | DustyBin | there are debian drivers, they are in non-free repos |
| 10:21.24 | hark | not for lenny afaik |
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| 10:21.59 | DustyBin | well, if your using lenny, im sure there will be lots of problems, thats what will happen when using lenny at this stage |
| 10:22.13 | psykon | hark: do you know how i can disable nvidiafb? |
| 10:22.23 | deepspace | Man I don't even know how to proceed here or what broke what |
| 10:22.37 | DustyBin | psykon: if you cant be asked to deal with problems, remove lenny and install etch for now |
| 10:23.00 | psykon | omg... |
| 10:23.06 | DustyBin | omg? |
| 10:23.10 | psykon | yes |
| 10:23.10 | hark | psykon: lsmod |grep nvidiafb shows it? |
| 10:23.19 | psykon | i've been asking for ages how to blacklist nvidiafb |
| 10:23.22 | psykon | hark: of course |
| 10:23.27 | psykon | it's being used |
| 10:23.31 | Guerin | sag_ich_nicht: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 10:23.32 | hark | then blacklist it |
| 10:23.35 | Guerin | there |
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| 10:23.36 | psykon | i presume udev is loading it |
| 10:23.41 | semprix | how do i disable port forwarding on ssh? |
| 10:23.44 | psykon | hark: how? |
| 10:23.49 | Guerin | sag_ich_nicht: man sshd_config |
| 10:23.52 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:23.56 | Guerin | semprix: ↑ |
| 10:24.33 | hark | !tell psykon -about blacklist |
| 10:24.39 | semprix | nope AllowTcpForwading |
| 10:24.55 | DustyBin | ive noticed there has been a update to etches kernel, from 2.6.18-4 to 2.6.18-5, my server is still running 4, was that a serious security update or nothing to worry about? |
| 10:25.02 | Ast001 | can you advice me if I try to upgrade to sid do I have a chance to solve my sound problem ? |
| 10:25.09 | hark | yes, a security update |
| 10:25.13 | DustyBin | :( |
| 10:25.21 | Arafangion | Ast001: If you upgrade to sid, you're on your own. |
| 10:25.21 | Ast001 | maybe new kernel , new sound modules ... |
| 10:25.45 | Ast001 | is there anything between etch and sid |
| 10:25.49 | Ast001 | with newer kernel |
| 10:25.52 | DustyBin | i think ill save updating that for a rainy day hehe |
| 10:26.06 | Arafangion | Ast001: You could try backporting a kernel. |
| 10:26.08 | infernix | i'm trying to fix a misconfigured server. it has no free space and there was no swap partition defined. should I just make a file on a partition and use it as swap instead? |
| 10:26.18 | infernix | i'm not sure if that's even possible; i think it is though |
| 10:26.24 | hark | Ast001: testing, but you can try upgrading alsa in etch and see.. |
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| 10:26.43 | Ast001 | how can i do that |
| 10:26.47 | hark | Ast001: m-a a-i alsa |
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| 10:26.59 | DustyBin | infernix: why dont you create a swap partition on another drive and allocate it to it maybe |
| 10:27.03 | DustyBin | *could |
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| 10:27.13 | infernix | there's no free space |
| 10:27.22 | DustyBin | how about a usb stick swap |
| 10:27.27 | infernix | there's space on the partitions but no room for new ones. |
| 10:27.36 | infernix | its at a datacenter, can't go there right now |
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| 10:28.08 | infernix | if it's at all possible i'll make the swap file but im just not sure if the kernel's going to like that |
| 10:28.08 | psykon | did not work |
| 10:28.28 | DustyBin | doesnt the swap need to use its own special file system? |
| 10:28.40 | hark | you can create a swap file |
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| 10:29.28 | infernix | goodie. thanks |
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| 10:32.30 | Ast001 | I uninstaled alsa and downloaded newest from alsa web site |
| 10:32.35 | Ast001 | did configure and make |
| 10:32.37 | Ast001 | and have |
| 10:32.38 | Ast001 | Makefile:266: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-amd64/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory |
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| 10:34.00 | psykon | hark: how you suggested me to blacklist didn't work |
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| 10:35.30 | psykon | does debian have any documentation? |
| 10:35.54 | kastberg | none at all :P |
| 10:36.13 | azeem | psykon: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 10:36.13 | azeem | + |
| 10:36.15 | Arafangion | It's constantly asked, but nobody volunteers to write it :( |
| 10:36.24 | Arafangion | azeem: Gah, you spoil the fun! |
| 10:36.28 | psykon | i just want to blacklist fucking nvidiafb |
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| 10:36.38 | azeem | Arafangion: how is this fun? |
| 10:36.49 | azeem | psykon: then you should rather ask that question |
| 10:36.57 | azeem | psykon: and not some generic question |
| 10:37.00 | azeem | !blacklist |
| 10:37.00 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "install module_name /bin/true". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. |
| 10:37.00 | psykon | azeem: i've asked |
| 10:37.05 | psykon | i've seen that |
| 10:37.09 | psykon | that does not work |
| 10:37.11 | Arafangion | azeem: What else should we do when we're asked silly generic questions? (SUch as "Anybody alive?") |
| 10:37.15 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 10:37.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:37.20 | nasas | how i can fix this error? |
| 10:37.21 | nasas | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.28 | azeem | Arafangion: if you don't want to help, you musn't |
| 10:37.42 | azeem | Arafangion: but please don't answer wrong just for your own fun |
| 10:37.59 | Arafangion | azeem: My response was obviously wrong. |
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| 10:38.33 | azeem | Arafangion: if you had an idea on the state of Debian documentation, you'd know it was at most half-wrong |
| 10:38.35 | Arafangion | azeem: Kinda like being asked "Are you ok", because you've just had your arm cut off, and you respond "Nah, just a scratch". |
| 10:38.38 | azeem | and certainly not "obviously" |
| 10:38.48 | psykon | it complains about malformed line |
| 10:38.59 | azeem | psykon: now, that's something we can work with! |
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| 10:39.07 | azeem | psykon: paste the offending file to a pastebin |
| 10:39.08 | azeem | !paste |
| 10:39.09 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 10:39.57 | hark | sep: virtualbox however is :) |
| 10:40.07 | psykon | the offending file? |
| 10:40.23 | psykon | i just added that line as it suggested |
| 10:40.31 | azeem | psykon: then paste that file |
| 10:40.33 | psykon | install nvidiafb /bin/true |
| 10:40.38 | psykon | it's the default ffs |
| 10:40.43 | psykon | with an added line |
| 10:40.46 | psykon | this one |
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| 10:41.36 | psykon | and thinking i was changing to debian so i could have less work :/ |
| 10:41.39 | azeem | psykon: which version of Debian? |
| 10:41.44 | psykon | lenny |
| 10:42.07 | hark | which line does the error mention? |
| 10:42.34 | psykon | the one i added |
| 10:42.42 | psykon | i even tried "blacklist nvidiafb" |
| 10:42.45 | psykon | without sucess |
| 10:43.00 | simmerz|work | how would I go about reading a directory and deleting files older than say, 20 minutes? |
| 10:43.00 | psykon | and yes i did use dpkg-reconfigure to regenerate the initrd |
| 10:43.06 | xored | how to start a command delayed, like the syntax with shutdown ( no cronjob please ) |
| 10:43.25 | Arafangion | xored: The 'at' command. |
| 10:43.34 | xored | Arafangion: thank you |
| 10:43.35 | hark | psykon: upload the file |
| 10:43.35 | azeem | psykon: what does "file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist" say? |
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| 10:44.15 | azeem | psykon: does the file have a trailing newline? |
| 10:44.20 | psykon | ASCII English Text |
| 10:44.28 | psykon | azeem: no it did not have |
| 10:44.36 | azeem | try to add one |
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| 10:44.55 | xored | Arafangion: is "at now +2 hour" a correct syntax ? |
| 10:44.58 | psykon | brb |
| 10:45.18 | Arafangion | xored: I've actually never used it. |
| 10:45.23 | xored | ok |
| 10:45.28 | nasas | i have this problem |
| 10:45.29 | nasas | http://rafb.net/p/ZSl8BQ95.html |
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| 10:48.20 | JakeConnor | can i use iSCSI to share sata disks? |
| 10:48.43 | infernix | you can't share with iscsi. it's a disk/block protocol |
| 10:49.05 | fireba11 | : also iSCSI got nothing to do with SATA |
| 10:49.15 | infernix | nfs, cifs and the like are sharing protocols |
| 10:49.47 | Ast001 | yuppi I have sound with newest alsa driver |
| 10:50.41 | JakeConnor | infernix: well i didn't mean exactly share but i meant do i really have to use SCSI disks with iSCSI or can SATA be used? |
| 10:50.49 | Ast001 | aalsa-driver-1.0.14 rules |
| 10:50.50 | infernix | anything |
| 10:51.00 | infernix | you can export files as disks with iSCSI |
| 10:51.01 | Ast001 | thank you for your help |
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| 10:51.24 | infernix | hell, you can make a ramdisk (a file in /dev/shm/ for instance) and export that over iscsi |
| 10:51.36 | infernix | or you can export your 3.5" floppy drive over iscsi |
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| 10:53.23 | JakeConnor | infernix: ooo good to know |
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| 10:53.42 | JakeConnor | infernix: i didn't know you could do all that, thanks :-D |
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| 10:54.15 | infernix | but you cannot access an iSCSI exported disk from more than one machine |
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| 10:54.21 | infernix | it'll show up as any other /dev/sdX device |
| 10:54.22 | DexterF | !backports |
| 10:54.22 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 10:54.28 | DexterF | hi |
| 10:54.44 | L0cKn | hello :-) |
| 10:54.47 | infernix | well, you can, but thats talking GFS and clusters which is probably beyond your scope |
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| 10:56.27 | DexterF | what does apt-build really do? thought that's the tool for a quick backport, turns out I have to use apt-get -b -source |
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| 10:59.40 | slapfaceware | how do i create a user in exim |
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| 11:10.00 | geo-rge | slapfaceware: first you have to decide what kind of user you want, and what kinds of users there are in exim |
| 11:11.11 | geo-rge | what would be the purpose of this user? privileges? what other entities would this user be connected to? what entities would this user control? |
| 11:11.42 | geo-rge | in short, |
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| 11:11.48 | geo-rge | what will this user use? |
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| 11:14.25 | Rhoruns__ | how do i make an extremely limited shell account for my friend? |
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| 11:16.02 | petemc | Rhoruns__: rbash is one way |
| 11:16.14 | Rhoruns__ | is that a program? |
| 11:16.25 | petemc | one way to find out |
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| 11:16.34 | thoma | hi |
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| 11:16.41 | maazu | hello |
| 11:17.16 | thoma | how can play the Audio and Video files in Ubunt? |
| 11:17.16 | maazu | i am in the process of installing debian but the installer |
| 11:17.28 | maazu | could not see my hdisk |
| 11:17.34 | predder` | thoma, this is #debian not #ubuntu |
| 11:17.43 | geo-rge | Rhoruns__: let them use an extremely limited shell... hey,, I got an idea! get an msdos interpreter and let them use that! |
| 11:17.56 | Rhoruns__ | lol..... |
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| 11:18.18 | maazu | does any one here have problems getting debian to detect a harddrive? |
| 11:18.48 | geo-rge | maazu: nope... everyone in debian detects that they have hard drives just fine! |
| 11:18.49 | predder` | maazu, debian does not detect hard drives, I believe you'll find that's the kernel's responsibility? |
| 11:19.09 | predder` | also, it's the controller not the hard drive generally |
| 11:19.09 | maazu | ah, yes, the kernel's job |
| 11:19.39 | maazu | i was thinking about MS Vista and Debian on the same drive? |
| 11:19.42 | maazu | maybe...? |
| 11:19.48 | geo-rge | maazu: sooo... maybe you have a question? |
| 11:19.52 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 11:19.52 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 11:20.01 | maazu | ok, here goes: |
| 11:20.18 | maazu | is it possible to dual boot MS Vista and Debian on the same disk? |
| 11:20.39 | solitude| | yes |
| 11:20.43 | maazu | it is a new notebook |
| 11:20.45 | geo-rge | I have no idea for vista. I know it's possible to boot debian, and more generally to boot linux |
| 11:20.51 | solitude| | its still a yes |
| 11:20.56 | maazu | o.O |
| 11:21.03 | solitude| | install vista, then install debian |
| 11:21.05 | maazu | solitude| how to? |
| 11:21.08 | geo-rge | I think I've seen vista run once... so I guess it's possible to boot htat |
| 11:21.09 | solitude| | make sure grub picks up the chainloader |
| 11:21.17 | solitude| | the installer automagics it :p |
| 11:21.20 | solitude| | its trivial |
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| 11:21.43 | maazu | solitude| must grub be the latest? |
| 11:21.48 | solitude| | ? |
| 11:21.53 | solitude| | that didnt make sense |
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| 11:22.03 | geo-rge | version of grub |
| 11:22.06 | solitude| | just make sure windows is intalled first, then linux after |
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| 11:22.09 | maazu | currently, MS Vista owns the entire drive! |
| 11:22.09 | solitude| | errr, probablynot |
| 11:22.13 | solitude| | so? |
| 11:22.22 | solitude| | use gparted and resize it |
| 11:22.25 | maazu | i can change boot order to DVD-Rom |
| 11:22.35 | solitude| | and why would you want to use an out of date version of grub? |
| 11:22.47 | solitude| | just go download the gparted livecd, boot from it, resize vista partition |
| 11:22.51 | solitude| | then boot the deban disk and install |
| 11:22.59 | maazu | wow! |
| 11:23.00 | solitude| | righty |
| 11:23.02 | maazu | that fixes it! |
| 11:23.07 | solitude| | good luck |
| 11:23.08 | maazu | gparted ok! |
| 11:23.13 | maazu | thank you solitude| |
| 11:23.15 | geo-rge | what kind of partition would it resize in that case? |
| 11:23.26 | geo-rge | also, can you resize the partition in vista? |
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| 11:23.51 | maazu | no, no, the livecd has the latest BIOS settings right |
| 11:24.07 | h1st0 | geo-rge: vista has a resize application built in. |
| 11:24.10 | maazu | then it can do disk partitioning without MS knowing it |
| 11:24.13 | geo-rge | maazu: before you attempt this resize, you should back up your vista drive such that you can restore the whole thing |
| 11:24.33 | geo-rge | h1st0: then isn't he better off using that? |
| 11:24.42 | h1st0 | geo-rge: yes infact its recommended |
| 11:25.05 | geo-rge | maazu: use vista to resize the vista partition |
| 11:25.05 | maazu | lemme try it first |
| 11:25.12 | maazu | will be back if it does not work |
| 11:25.15 | geo-rge | back up or lose your data |
| 11:25.33 | maazu | btw, can someone tell me about this MS protection thing |
| 11:25.35 | geo-rge | your choice... how much do you care about what's stored there? |
| 11:25.44 | h1st0 | maazu: maybe someone in #windows |
| 11:25.57 | maazu | and it's BIOS settings |
| 11:26.22 | maazu | ok, thank you all |
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| 11:26.26 | geo-rge | don't say we didn't warn you :) |
| 11:26.55 | Rhoruns__ | hm... how do i make an account that someone can simply use just to store stuff? |
| 11:27.08 | Rhoruns__ | rbash doesnt seem to allow anything lol |
| 11:27.34 | h1st0 | Rhoruns__: add them to the user grp? |
| 11:27.52 | Rhoruns__ | where/how do i manage the group? |
| 11:27.58 | geo-rge | create an ftp-only acct? |
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| 11:28.06 | geo-rge | but not ftp |
| 11:28.14 | Rhoruns__ | oh i see |
| 11:28.22 | Rhoruns__ | like, an scp? or something? |
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| 11:28.36 | geo-rge | well I don't know how that would work |
| 11:28.41 | Rhoruns__ | ok |
| 11:28.53 | h1st0 | Rhoruns__: you just want them to have access to one folder? |
| 11:28.53 | geo-rge | maybe you can still set the shell to /bin/true |
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| 11:29.09 | Rhoruns__ | yes, just one folder, so they can upload their own crap |
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| 11:29.16 | Rhoruns__ | and get it whenever they needed |
| 11:29.32 | geo-rge | and so you're going to log this? |
| 11:29.41 | Rhoruns__ | log what? |
| 11:29.47 | Rhoruns__ | this chat? or the user thing? |
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| 11:29.57 | geo-rge | or do you not want to know what they upload and download? |
| 11:30.06 | Rhoruns__ | doesn't really matter. |
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| 11:30.20 | Rhoruns__ | however, if i set it above 100mb, i might want to know what they're doing.. |
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| 11:31.26 | geo-rge | just making you aware of your choices, is all |
| 11:31.33 | Rhoruns__ | that's good |
| 11:31.35 | Rhoruns__ | thank you :) |
| 11:31.47 | geo-rge | try creating a user and set his shell to /bin/true |
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| 11:31.56 | geo-rge | set his password to something |
| 11:32.01 | geo-rge | and see if you can scp in |
| 11:32.21 | Rhoruns__ | is /bin/true a dir? or must i create it? |
| 11:32.42 | geo-rge | it's an executable that returns an exit status of "success" |
| 11:32.48 | Rhoruns__ | oh |
| 11:33.14 | geo-rge | I DIDN"T DO NUTHIN... AND I DINT DOO NUTHIN VERRY SUCCESSFULLY |
| 11:33.27 | Rhoruns__ | wut? lulz!? ?! |
| 11:33.39 | geo-rge | that's what /bin/true does |
| 11:33.43 | Rhoruns__ | awesome :D |
| 11:33.44 | geo-rge | nothing |
| 11:33.48 | geo-rge | successfully |
| 11:34.01 | Rhoruns__ | k, ill brb, gonna get some water/soda/whatever :D |
| 11:34.02 | geo-rge | guess what /bin/false does |
| 11:34.11 | Rhoruns__ | it does nothing, unscuccesfully? |
| 11:34.15 | Rhoruns__ | lol D: |
| 11:34.16 | geo-rge | right |
| 11:34.18 | Rhoruns__ | awesome |
| 11:34.22 | geo-rge | and you can test this |
| 11:34.39 | Rhoruns__ | that's a neat program |
| 11:34.41 | geo-rge | try: if true; then echo yes; else echo no; fi |
| 11:34.43 | dimir | Moin! |
| 11:35.08 | geo-rge | or if you want to fully qualify the location of true... |
| 11:35.15 | geo-rge | try: if /bin/true; then echo yes; else echo no; fi |
| 11:36.10 | geo-rge | so |
| 11:36.24 | geo-rge | "if" checks exit status |
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| 11:41.59 | h1st0 | I'm trying to install debian using the netinstall iso and its stuck at scanning the mirror? I'm able to alt+f1-4 to switch consoles so the systems not locked but its aparently not seeing the mirror. Looking for a way to get around this? |
| 11:42.04 | Rhoruns__ | --base-dir = the dir that user will be locked to? |
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| 11:42.25 | Rhoruns__ | h1st0, have yo tried selecting different mirrors? |
| 11:42.30 | Rhoruns__ | you* |
| 11:42.41 | themill | h1st0: you could restart the installation and tell it to not use any mirrors and then add one in at the end of the process. |
| 11:42.45 | h1st0 | Rhoruns__: it looks like it gave up |
| 11:44.06 | h1st0 | Now I just have to figure out how to get the unstable repos in their is it just chagning testing to sid? |
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| 11:45.09 | ruben_ | Hello, what is a good way to get current time - 30 days? like date - 30 days? |
| 11:45.39 | h1st0 | What is the name of the unstable repos? |
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| 11:45.41 | geo-rge | ruben_: convert to seconds |
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| 11:45.52 | ruben_ | geo-rge: how? |
| 11:45.55 | geo-rge | ruben_: convert "one day" to seconds |
| 11:46.06 | geo-rge | ruben_: subtract 30 times |
| 11:46.07 | themill | geo-rge: and hope you don't have daylight savings transitions in the road |
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| 11:46.22 | geo-rge | themill: will that matter? |
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| 11:46.50 | themill | geo-rge: if you subtract 30 * 24 * 60 * 60 then you'll probably get an answer that you weren't expecting |
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| 11:47.09 | themill | try date -d "30 days ago" |
| 11:47.13 | h1st0 | Anyone? |
| 11:47.32 | geo-rge | sid? |
| 11:47.35 | geo-rge | unstable? |
| 11:47.39 | petemc | h1st0: you answered your own question |
| 11:47.40 | themill | h1st0: if you have to ask you probably don't want them though... |
| 11:47.50 | h1st0 | Yes I tried changing lenny to sid but i'm getting errors with the repos |
| 11:47.58 | petemc | Sep 6 12:41:02 numail dovecot: POP3(brett.lockhart@barlibrary.com): Disconnected: Logged out top=0/0, retr=0/0, del=0/1058, s |
| 11:48.01 | petemc | ize=304434191 |
| 11:48.03 | petemc | fuck, sorry |
| 11:48.06 | petemc | Sep 6 12:41:04 numail dovecot: pop3-login: Login: user=<john.thompsonqc@barlibrary.com>, method=PLAIN, rip=10.0.19.254, lip=1 |
| 11:48.09 | petemc | 0.0.19.183 |
| 11:48.34 | themill | h1st0: are you using the lenny netinstall or the etch netinstall? |
| 11:48.51 | h1st0 | themill: lenny |
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| 11:49.27 | geo-rge | h1st0: if you go to etch, you're kinda on your own (you essentially become peer of all developers) |
| 11:49.28 | h1st0 | themill: right now there are only two entries in sources.list |
| 11:49.29 | themill | h1st0: the d-i team are recommending that people use the etch netinstall and upgrade at present.... |
| 11:49.34 | h1st0 | geo-rge: I know |
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| 11:49.53 | geo-rge | some won't help you here... (sometimes no one can help you here) |
| 11:49.55 | themill | h1st0: can you pastebin them for us (obviously not of that same machine...) |
| 11:49.58 | h1st0 | themill: I'm using the testing install as recomended |
| 11:50.03 | geo-rge | but those are two separate things |
| 11:50.08 | themill | geo-rge: I think you mean sid not etch :) |
| 11:50.13 | h1st0 | themill: its only two lines I'll put em here |
| 11:50.16 | Ronin | h1st0: basically the thinking goes if one runs sid you best be able to fix it yourself :) |
| 11:50.18 | themill | h1st0: recommended where? |
| 11:50.26 | h1st0 | Ronin: I'm well aware |
| 11:50.30 | geo-rge | themill: true |
| 11:50.42 | h1st0 | deb http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib |
| 11:50.53 | Ronin | h1st0: no security updates for sid |
| 11:50.55 | h1st0 | deb=ssrc http://security.debian.org/ sid/updates main contrib |
| 11:51.11 | h1st0 | Ronin: Those are the only two entries from a default install I just changes lenny to sid. |
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| 11:51.15 | geo-rge | maybe no security updates... but lotsa updates... |
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| 11:51.28 | themill | h1st0: there are no sid/updates so neither of those repos exist. |
| 11:51.39 | h1st0 | hence the errors. What are the proper repos |
| 11:51.57 | themill | h1st0: are you really really sure you should be using sid? If you have to ask these questions, you really shouldn't be using sid. |
| 11:52.02 | geo-rge | well I mean there is this event called a "mirror pulse", it happens daily... |
| 11:52.16 | geo-rge | when it happens, there are new sid packages on the mirror |
| 11:52.31 | h1st0 | themill: Yes I want to use sid i'm sorry I don't know the default repos for it. |
| 11:53.07 | Ronin | !sid |
| 11:53.07 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 11:53.14 | Ronin | hmm, |
| 11:53.18 | predder` | !shell |
| 11:53.23 | themill | h1st0: this is pretty basic debian stuff.... if you can't find this sort of stuff out for yourself (and you don't know that you can't use s.d.o or sid/updates) then how are you going to do anything with sid? |
| 11:53.29 | predder` | hmm, dpkg doesnt know what shell or shells is |
| 11:53.38 | Ronin | !tell h1st0 about sources.list |
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| 11:54.00 | geo-rge | he can do stuff with sid... when it works :) |
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| 11:54.07 | h1st0 | themill: so since i'm comming to debian to test and I don't know the default sid repo structure I shouldn't use it? Whatever |
| 11:54.30 | themill | h1st0: sid is: deb http://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free (replace cc with your country code in the mirrors list) |
| 11:54.33 | geo-rge | h1st0: no, it's more like, |
| 11:54.43 | Ronin | h1st0: no h1st0 the point is its called unstable for a reason and if one cant install it it doesnt bode well for repairing it WHEN it breaks :) |
| 11:55.08 | themill | h1st0: what do you want to test? |
| 11:55.14 | geo-rge | if you're asking about somethign as simple and trivial as this, people are going to perceive that you're not ready for sid, and try to discourage you |
| 11:55.31 | geo-rge | maybe their perception is incorrect maybe it isn't |
| 11:56.36 | h1st0 | themill: nvm I figured it out |
| 11:56.46 | Ronin | good question themill, what were you wanting to test h1st0 ? |
| 11:56.49 | geo-rge | but it is what it is, and it will cause them to resist, and in part this is because they perceive the possibility that they will get your questions when some of those they might get from you should have been handled by, for example, going to bugs.debian.org |
| 11:56.57 | themill | h1st0: You said you wanted to test thing, what do you want to test? There may be easier ways. |
| 11:57.10 | geo-rge | again... |
| 11:57.12 | geo-rge | maybe their perception is incorrect maybe it isn't |
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| 11:58.11 | geo-rge | h1st0: now before you go shooting the messenger, I'm just letting you know what is :) |
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| 11:58.51 | Rhoruns__ | awww, quota support only works with ext2?? :( |
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| 11:59.08 | h1st0 | geo-rge: I'm familiar with what unstable means |
| 11:59.20 | h1st0 | I'm not an idiot this is not a production machine. |
| 11:59.28 | tomonfw | hi all, |
| 11:59.30 | tomonfw | i have trouble with etch on my webserver : -bash: apt-show-versions: command not found , whats wrong ,plz ? |
| 11:59.32 | geo-rge | so you're also familiar with these perceptions? |
| 12:00.28 | geo-rge | tomonfw: where did you get that copy of the web server? |
| 12:00.32 | *** part/#debian stickybit` (n=stickybi@59.184.142.237) |
| 12:00.39 | geo-rge | which web server, what version too |
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| 12:01.14 | tomonfw | my hostserver ... i updated sarge to etch |
| 12:01.17 | geo-rge | tomonfw: exactly where are you reading that message? |
| 12:01.40 | ashley_ | Is it possible to have two people logged into Gnome at the same time, one via VNC or another remote system and one on the computer itself? |
| 12:01.48 | geo-rge | also, what exact trouble are you getting? |
| 12:02.19 | geo-rge | (I know you gave me a message, but you did not offer its complete context) |
| 12:02.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. Can anyone help me convert my capslock key to a backspace, and make the changes permanent? I try to do it with xkeycaps, but the changes only last until the next reboot |
| 12:02.38 | tomonfw | its sarge with 2.6.9 kernel , i updated my server with change of apt.list to etch |
| 12:02.44 | xand | oh dear |
| 12:03.07 | geo-rge | tomonfw: so update the whole thing to etch |
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| 12:03.17 | spheard | root@backup:/etc# rsync rsync://pub@192.168.0.198/pub/; Password: |
| 12:03.17 | spheard | @ERROR: auth failed on module pub; rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [receiver=2.6.9] |
| 12:03.49 | spheard | I took out a couple of the line breaks. can anyone help me with this. It doesnt matter what password I put in. there is no joy |
| 12:03.57 | tomonfw | all is runing fine, only i cannt find my old java 1.4 from old source. I dont know name of old java , because with install new java 1.5 got i install error |
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| 12:04.48 | mesof | can the dpi of the mouse be lowered? |
| 12:04.57 | geo-rge | tomonfw: so what do you intend to do? |
| 12:04.59 | tomonfw | i must --purge my old java from my server |
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| 12:05.51 | geo-rge | try dpkg --get-selections | grep jdk |
| 12:05.57 | tomonfw | and , i cannt find name of my old java with apt commands or dpkg |
| 12:06.04 | geo-rge | try dpkg --get-selections | grep jdk |
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| 12:06.25 | geo-rge | how many lines is that? |
| 12:06.33 | tomonfw | sun-java5-jdk install |
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| 12:06.48 | geo-rge | could that be your old one? |
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| 12:07.35 | tomonfw | but ... java -version java version "1.4.2" |
| 12:07.43 | geo-rge | try this... dpkg -s sun-java5-jdk | grep Status | wc -l |
| 12:08.05 | tomonfw | i cannt upgrade to 5 :( |
| 12:08.16 | geo-rge | try that anyway |
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| 12:08.29 | tomonfw | 1 |
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| 12:08.38 | geo-rge | ok, next, |
| 12:08.39 | tomonfw | is runing |
| 12:08.42 | geo-rge | try this... dpkg -s sun-java5-jdk | grep Status |
| 12:09.07 | tomonfw | install ok installed |
| 12:09.32 | geo-rge | ok, try javac |
| 12:09.35 | tomonfw | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von sun-java5-bin (--configure): |
| 12:09.36 | geo-rge | err |
| 12:09.37 | tomonfw | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.45 | geo-rge | javac --version |
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| 12:10.07 | tomonfw | directory does not exist: --version |
| 12:10.26 | geo-rge | hmm, so javac did run |
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| 12:10.34 | stoned | geo-rge: go to bed. |
| 12:10.39 | stoned | do you ever sleep? |
| 12:10.47 | Ronin | stoned: sleep when we're dead |
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| 12:10.58 | stoned | My grandfather says that too |
| 12:11.06 | stoned | and he is a very successful man |
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| 12:11.13 | stoned | but he likes to sleep now |
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| 12:12.09 | tomonfw | i think , maybe is new java blacklisted for confixx ? |
| 12:12.42 | geo-rge | how to drag the version out of javac |
| 12:12.51 | Ronin | course thinking sleep when im dead is also why im dragging my ass around the last 4 weeks |
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| 12:13.03 | tomonfw | tomcat runs only with java 1.5 and higher :( |
| 12:13.08 | lunk | geo-rge: javac -version |
| 12:13.18 | stoned | lol |
| 12:13.33 | geo-rge | lunk: no joy |
| 12:14.00 | tomonfw | Eclipse Java Compiler v_677_R32x, 3.2.1 release, Copyright IBM Corp 2000, 2006 ... hehe |
| 12:14.07 | lunk | Ronin: sleep is way underrated |
| 12:14.41 | geo-rge | tomonfw: that's not that sun-java5 thing |
| 12:14.46 | geo-rge | ok, try this |
| 12:15.02 | geo-rge | try dpkg --get-selections | grep sdk |
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| 12:15.25 | geo-rge | how many lines does that make |
| 12:15.36 | tomonfw | nothing |
| 12:15.39 | lunk | for java, it's best to install to a local directory for the user wishing to run java |
| 12:16.02 | lunk | then export JAVA_HOME and add JAVA_HOME/bin to your PATH in .bashrc |
| 12:16.02 | geo-rge | lunk: there's anopther dynamic going on |
| 12:16.27 | geo-rge | try dpkg --get-selections | grep jre |
| 12:16.36 | stoned | ,man i ghave to go to work 1 hour early today |
| 12:17.17 | stoned | go meet with an IT department of a financial company |
| 12:17.19 | tomonfw | i need java5 for my tomcat and servlet (i 'll like create interactive chessbase on my server) |
| 12:17.31 | stoned | i hate those idiots |
| 12:17.49 | geo-rge | would you believe the world bank wants to make one country out of US, Canada and mexico? |
| 12:17.55 | tomonfw | sun-java5-jre install |
| 12:17.59 | stoned | mexico? |
| 12:18.07 | stoned | no thanks |
| 12:18.11 | stoned | canada might be ok |
| 12:18.22 | spheard | geo-rge, I think thy are thinking of something olong the lines of the ecc |
| 12:18.25 | lunk | geo-rge: yes, so they can loan currency to all of us and put us in debt immediatley |
| 12:18.29 | tomonfw | install in queue |
| 12:18.38 | spheard | eec |
| 12:18.48 | geo-rge | lunk: ding ding ding ding ding! |
| 12:18.48 | stoned | i have nothing to do |
| 12:18.52 | stoned | i can't wait to get to work |
| 12:18.54 | stoned | dangit |
| 12:19.07 | spheard | stoned, can you help me with my rsync? :) |
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| 12:19.15 | stoned | i wish i could |
| 12:19.19 | spheard | :( |
| 12:19.25 | stoned | but I don't know how to operate computer |
| 12:19.29 | stoned | sorry |
| 12:20.05 | tomonfw | can i try --force with apt-get install ? i have i after broken server ? heheh |
| 12:20.24 | geo-rge | just hump that reel of tape over there to that big tape drive... mount it... don't touch the surface of the tape! and don't touch the tape head!! |
| 12:20.28 | stoned | tomonfw: if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't. |
| 12:20.46 | geo-rge | oh you idiot! the take up reel! |
| 12:21.06 | geo-rge | you can't start the tape drive if there's no take up reel! |
| 12:21.20 | predder` | !confuse geo-rge |
| 12:21.20 | dpkg | No, how was our gouda today, geo-rge? lederhosen of the monarchy of belarus with extra herring |
| 12:21.22 | stoned | I did an onsite yesterday for 8 hours at a company |
| 12:21.38 | stoned | 1200$ even + I made money off some networking equipment |
| 12:21.48 | stoned | 8 freaking hours |
| 12:21.58 | stoned | I hate windows networks, and I know thats what I'm gonna have to do |
| 12:21.59 | predder` | so you're a network guy or a con artist? |
| 12:22.00 | stoned | today |
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| 12:22.06 | geo-rge | 150/hr |
| 12:22.07 | c_newbie | hi, i got scsi raid m7902. ive tried to set up 2 hd's with raid 0 in bios, but when i tried to install debian, seems the raid not exist, and i can see 2 hd |
| 12:22.12 | geo-rge | not bad |
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| 12:22.25 | Ronin | stoned: how much of that goes to you and how much to the company you work fo rthough? |
| 12:22.31 | fireba11_grr | c_newbie: that's called fakeraid ^^ |
| 12:22.32 | stoned | that went to me |
| 12:22.34 | stoned | all of it |
| 12:22.36 | Ronin | nice |
| 12:22.38 | stoned | yesterday was my day off |
| 12:22.43 | geo-rge | so you do realize that's really worth 3 dollars / hr? :) |
| 12:22.44 | stoned | I do my own work on days off |
| 12:22.58 | stoned | geo-rge: ? |
| 12:23.00 | c_newbie | fireba11: it is a hardware raid --> http://www.tyan.com/product_accessories_spec.aspx?pid=3 |
| 12:23.00 | predder` | c_newbie, I would strongly recommend using mdadm (software raid) over fakeraid |
| 12:23.20 | geo-rge | stoned: wanna see a really fucked up movie? |
| 12:23.27 | stoned | sure |
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| 12:23.54 | predder` | stoned, google bambi. Most messed up thing you'll ever see |
| 12:23.56 | tomonfw | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 12:23.57 | tomonfw | dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von sun-java5-bin (--configure) |
| 12:24.11 | stoned | hey f you man |
| 12:24.15 | stoned | bambi is fucking awesome |
| 12:24.21 | stoned | I grew up watching that movie |
| 12:24.29 | stoned | don't diss bambi or i'll kill you |
| 12:24.34 | stoned | well not really, I'm just kidding |
| 12:24.35 | stoned | ;D |
| 12:24.36 | c_newbie | fireba11: is it fake raid? |
| 12:24.53 | stoned | but bambi is wicked |
| 12:24.58 | azeem | stoned: can you keep it on-topic, please |
| 12:25.03 | geo-rge | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 |
| 12:25.11 | geo-rge | stoned: tere ya go :) |
| 12:25.12 | predder` | c_newbie, it has no dedicated memory or processor, I would call that pesudo/fak raid |
| 12:25.22 | geo-rge | "enjoy" :) |
| 12:25.24 | stoned | what? |
| 12:25.30 | stoned | doesn't matter to me dude |
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| 12:25.40 | fireba11 | c_newbie: seems like fakeraid to me though |
| 12:25.44 | Rhoruns__ | when i do: useradd -d /noobjail -p 12345 nooblet it does go to /noobjail when i try to log in. why?? |
| 12:25.53 | geo-rge | movie was done by the same guy that produced "Trading Places" |
| 12:25.54 | Rhoruns__ | doesnt*** |
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| 12:26.07 | stoned | geo-rge: can you please keep it on topic? |
| 12:26.27 | geo-rge | stoned: I thought you said "sure" |
| 12:26.31 | fireba11 | c_newbie: at least you need to set up a driver to be able to use it .. it might have it's own processing power for parity but definitely no own memory... |
| 12:26.34 | stoned | !ot |
| 12:26.34 | dpkg | #debian-offtopic is not a place where nolife from #debian can come at will and feel at home. find another place ffs |
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| 12:26.55 | mesof2 | how do i get java on 64bit? |
| 12:26.57 | c_newbie | fireba11: please see the Raid LEvels information at this page: http://www.tyan.com/product_accessories_spec.aspx?pid=3 |
| 12:26.58 | predder` | Rhoruns__ - man useradd and check out the way you're executing that adduser program, presumably you're making that your home directory |
| 12:27.15 | c_newbie | it said Supports HostRAID™ hardware mirroring |
| 12:27.18 | Rhoruns__ | yes i am. but i dont see any example as to how i should format it |
| 12:27.22 | Rhoruns__ | it doesnt make sence to me |
| 12:27.31 | Rhoruns__ | i tried /home/noobjail, but that didnt work either |
| 12:27.37 | fireba11 | c_newbie: that is no clue whatsoever |
| 12:27.44 | geo-rge | stoned: was on topic. the topic was your wages |
| 12:27.47 | predder` | Rhoruns__, what are you trying to achieve? |
| 12:27.56 | Rhoruns__ | im trying to make a small shell account |
| 12:27.58 | Rhoruns__ | for my friend |
| 12:28.04 | Rhoruns__ | and i dont want him exploring my directories |
| 12:28.09 | Rhoruns__ | i jsut want him to have 1 file |
| 12:28.14 | fireba11 | c_newbie: if you see two drives it acts as a normal controller right now. eitther it is fakeraid or you need a special driver to be able to use it |
| 12:28.29 | stoned | mesof2: you will have to run it in a 32bit chroot, or you can get the java jre and java bin but there is no browser plugin in 64bit |
| 12:28.35 | geo-rge | Rhoruns__: give him an acct on an old pos machine |
| 12:28.36 | c_newbie | its hostraid tho :/ from adaptec |
| 12:28.43 | Rhoruns__ | this IS and old POS machine |
| 12:28.44 | fireba11 | c_newbie: and needing a special driver usualyl means fakeraid anyway |
| 12:28.50 | Rhoruns__ | it's a 600mhz celeron lol |
| 12:28.54 | stoned | mesof2: you can run java apps but not a java browser plugin, without 32bit firefox or an entire 32bit chroot |
| 12:29.10 | fireba11 | c_newbie: adaptec makes scsi controllers .. that doesn't mean it has raid capabilities |
| 12:29.11 | predder` | Rhoruns__, most likely what you want is to chroot jail him |
| 12:29.26 | Rhoruns__ | oh |
| 12:29.28 | predder` | I'm not sure how to achieve this but now you've got something to google |
| 12:29.33 | Rhoruns__ | ok, thanks :) |
| 12:29.38 | cafuego | Some adaptec scsi controllers can be extended with a raid module |
| 12:29.49 | stoned | time to go to work |
| 12:29.56 | Rhoruns__ | bye stoned, take care :) |
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| 12:30.03 | stoned | thanks, bye guys |
| 12:30.03 | liable | what a rude factoid |
| 12:30.17 | predder` | stoned, enjoy your windows adventures |
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| 12:30.35 | spheard | rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1383) [receiver=2.6.9] - anyone know what this might mean? |
| 12:30.39 | spheard | with rsync |
| 12:30.39 | c_newbie | fireba11: is that mean : http://www.tyan.com/product_accessories_spec.aspx?pid=3 <--- its a fake raid? |
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| 12:31.13 | predder` | c_newbie, although the term maintains and element of ambiguity i'm going with yes |
| 12:31.28 | c_newbie | crap, tyan lied to me |
| 12:31.32 | predder` | a) it has no dedicated processor, only a single IC b) it has no memory |
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| 12:31.40 | fireba11 | !fakeraid |
| 12:31.41 | dpkg | Term used for controller cards that advertise raid functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a bios ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a raid in the bios and just use regular software raid. <dmraid> |
| 12:31.41 | c_newbie | its a sodimm tho |
| 12:32.04 | predder` | that's the interface on the expansion card |
| 12:32.11 | predder` | where's the physical memory module |
| 12:32.13 | c_newbie | i see |
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| 12:32.19 | fireba11 | not really a way to tell |
| 12:32.27 | c_newbie | is it good to create raid 10 with fakeraid? its for db tho |
| 12:32.45 | fireba11 | c_newbie: IF it is fakeraid, use the normal software raid from debian |
| 12:33.17 | predder` | c_newbie, there are reasons for and against. In this day and age you're better off using software raid rather than relying on fakeraid |
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| 12:33.54 | predder` | unless it's a low spec machine in which case you should be a _real_ hardware raid card |
| 12:33.56 | fireba11 | imho main reason being software raid is easier to set up and will work even if the controller has to be replaced someday |
| 12:33.58 | predder` | buy* |
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| 12:34.11 | azeem | dpkg, no ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions between regulars |
| 12:34.11 | c_newbie | i need your expert suggestion tho, ive spend money to buy this stupid m7902 *fake*-hardware raid already... :( |
| 12:34.11 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
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| 12:34.41 | fireba11 | c_newbie: technically i looks more like you bought a scsi controller card :-D |
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| 12:35.07 | c_newbie | ouch.. |
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| 12:35.32 | UpgradeBoy | Can someone help me to get my HP6100 Office Jet Working. It s a new Debian 4.0r1 install. It detects the HP as a local printer. The printer dialog says it is ready. But when I try to print a test page it says "job stopped". It works fine "out of the box" on Ubuntu. Any suggestions? |
| 12:35.33 | fireba11 | c_newbie: just want to remind you .. that what it looks to me .. could be wrong, never had one of those |
| 12:35.39 | c_newbie | fireba11: so its ok to make dmraid running for raid 10 (db mysql innodb) with 4 scsi 15k? |
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| 12:35.49 | predder` | c_newbie, I've setup >30 boxes with debian running mdadm including 2 with multiple raid5 arrays. In your situation I would be using that scsi controller without the raid functionality and setting up with mdadm |
| 12:35.59 | taime1 | why would my disabled startup programs Continue To Start Up? |
| 12:36.01 | fireba11 | c_newbie: naturally |
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| 12:36.11 | gilead | hello |
| 12:36.12 | predder` | taime1, how did you disable them? |
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| 12:36.24 | taime1 | with the sesions manager |
| 12:36.30 | fastputty | hi, how cani k now which is the bigges file in my server? |
| 12:36.41 | fireba11 | c_newbie: i suggest using mdadm, you can easily set that up in debian setup |
| 12:36.42 | fastputty | well my HD ran out of memoery and i am not sure the cause of it |
| 12:36.47 | mandingo | wow |
| 12:36.51 | mandingo | fastputty: so loaded! |
| 12:37.01 | c_newbie | fireba11 mdadm? |
| 12:37.02 | predder` | taime1, i'm unaware of this program you're using. Presumably it's bundled with your desktop environment? KDE/GNOME? |
| 12:37.09 | taime1 | gnome |
| 12:37.20 | gilead | I asked some time ago about upgrading from Ubuntu install to Debian and was advised not to do it because the resulting system would have some Ubuntu leftovers. Ok, what if I right now I don't care about leftovers, I just want to be as close to Debian as possible. Will eg. installing Debian's libc6 break the system? |
| 12:37.21 | mandingo | fastputty: there's a few things you can do. du -hx --max-depth=1 / |
| 12:37.28 | UpgradeBoy | No one can help with my printer problem? |
| 12:37.30 | taime1 | its, cool, i guess im looking for a way to do it manually anyway at this point |
| 12:37.32 | c_newbie | so install the os 1st on the 1st hd, then use the fake raid running the whole thing? |
| 12:37.35 | contrast83 | taime1: What applications, in particular? |
| 12:37.36 | mandingo | fastputty: then du -hx --max-depth=1 /bleh where /bleh is the biggest folder found |
| 12:37.46 | predder` | taime1, okay. Short of asking them (you'll probably not get an answer) you'll want to get up a shell |
| 12:37.48 | taime1 | gaim, and beryl..oh and cairo clock |
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| 12:38.14 | predder` | and use update-rc.d -r <name of thing that's starting> |
| 12:38.14 | mandingo | fastputty: you can also use ls -laSrh in a certain directory to give you a listing of files in that directory sorted by size "largest last" |
| 12:38.21 | taime1 | im in a shell |
| 12:38.30 | dvlsleep | morning |
| 12:38.34 | mandingo | fastputty: df -h will show you which partition is full |
| 12:38.37 | predder` | taime1, double check the switched for update-rc.d before you run it though |
| 12:38.44 | predder` | switches* |
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| 12:39.01 | taime1 | :( you are speaking greek |
| 12:39.16 | fireba11 | c_newbie: nope. you use the debian isntaller to set up raid and install on raid directly .. at least that's the suggested way to do it |
| 12:39.18 | gilead | anyone tried it? |
| 12:39.19 | contrast83 | gilead: You *might* want to upgrade to Gutsy first, then to Debian-- I think Gutsy uses the same libc6 as Debian. |
| 12:39.20 | mesof2 | :D |
| 12:39.21 | predder` | taime1, what's the app you want to stop? |
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| 12:39.31 | taime1 | gaim, beryl and cairo clock |
| 12:39.32 | fastputty | mandingo: well i need to get info of the entire disk |
| 12:39.35 | mesof2 | i love hardware |
| 12:39.35 | gilead | contrast83: ok, thanks! |
| 12:39.37 | fastputty | not only in the current directory |
| 12:39.42 | contrast83 | gilead: np |
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| 12:39.47 | Arafangion | mesof2: i prefer software. |
| 12:39.47 | c_newbie | fireba11: is there any tutorial for it? |
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| 12:40.00 | c_newbie | coz i want toinstall raid 10 tho.. not 0 or 1 |
| 12:40.02 | contrast83 | Does anyone in here use Splashy? |
| 12:40.05 | c_newbie | kinda confused |
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| 12:40.28 | fireba11 | c_newbie: the installer can set up all kinds of raid levels ... weit a moment i'll pick the manual for you |
| 12:40.39 | mesof2 | Arafangion: what's your favorite program? |
| 12:40.46 | c_newbie | coz im installing the server with net-etch |
| 12:41.05 | predder` | taime1, I have a feeling gnome does something different to what i'm used to (which is removing startup links with update-rc.d) so you'd best ask in #ubuntu or #gnome |
| 12:41.14 | fireba11 | c_newbie : http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition there we go |
| 12:41.23 | taime1 | predder`: no problem |
| 12:42.18 | Bluechip | I have a .deb package (of my own making). When I apt-get it, I do NOT get the "enter name" screen - so after "apt-get install" I am forced to run dpkg-reconfigure to set the configuration options ...any idea why one works and the other doesn't? |
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| 12:42.20 | gilead | contrast83: just to make sure -- installing another libc6 *would* break the system, right? |
| 12:42.23 | Rhoruns__ | what the heck?? bayo1:/# usermod -d /home/nooblet/noobjail nooblet |
| 12:42.23 | Rhoruns__ | bayo1:/# su - nooblet |
| 12:42.24 | Rhoruns__ | No directory, logging in with HOME=/ |
| 12:42.24 | Rhoruns__ | nooblet@bayo1: |
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| 12:42.34 | predder` | c_newbie, it's not very difficult. Given the importance of your machine I would suggest you do a lot of reading and double check your controller isnt doing any funky raid stuff you dont know about with your drives |
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| 12:42.39 | Rhoruns__ | sorry about that >.< |
| 12:42.43 | Rhoruns__ | didnt think it was that big |
| 12:42.49 | contrast83 | gilead: More or less, yeah. |
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| 12:43.02 | kamevar | hi all |
| 12:43.10 | gilead | ok, thanks |
| 12:43.11 | dvlsleep | Rhoruns__, u need to specific the home dir of user |
| 12:43.11 | c_newbie | fireba11: ok i took lvm on 1st hardrive |
| 12:43.14 | Arafangion | mesof2: That's far too open-ended to answer. :( |
| 12:43.24 | dvlsleep | man usermod |
| 12:43.30 | Rhoruns__ | can you give me an example?? |
| 12:43.33 | Rhoruns__ | please? |
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| 12:43.58 | dvlsleep | usermod -u blabla -d /home/dir |
| 12:44.16 | Rhoruns__ | oh |
| 12:44.18 | Rhoruns__ | ill try that |
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| 12:44.39 | Bluechip | Any deb package experts here? |
| 12:44.40 | StyXman | hi all. which ftp server can use another file instead of /etc/passwd for user/passwd? |
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| 12:44.47 | contrast83 | gilead: np... just out of curiosity, why are you wanting to switch? |
| 12:44.53 | Bluechip | proftpd |
| 12:45.17 | fireba11 | StyXman: about all fo them |
| 12:45.26 | StyXman | fireba11: really? |
| 12:45.48 | Bluechip | StyXman: proftpd does for sure |
| 12:45.50 | predder` | StyXman, I've used proftpd before which doesnt require system user accounts |
| 12:45.59 | predder` | (as Bluechip said) |
| 12:46.04 | StyXman | nice |
| 12:46.16 | Rhoruns__ | look, dvlsleep: http://www.wkccp.com/paste2/view.php?id=43ad796cbf |
| 12:46.20 | Rhoruns__ | it doesnt work |
| 12:46.21 | Rhoruns__ | at all |
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| 12:46.53 | gilead | contrast83: because I've been using Debian for yeard and had to install Ubuntu in a hurry and had no net connection nor any Debian CD around. Then I once or twice installed some packages I needed from Debian repository and now, well, I can't install libc6-dev just because ;) |
| 12:47.14 | Bluechip | StyXman: there are also a bunch of tools for proftpd which are worth hunting down - especially if you are planning on implementing quotas |
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| 12:47.54 | gilead | contrast83: not being able to compile PostgreSQL sucks and since Debian installed doesn't work on my machine I'm trying to find some way out of this mess ;) |
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| 12:48.14 | Rhoruns__ | lol |
| 12:48.23 | predder` | only 2500 words to go |
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| 12:48.28 | Rhoruns__ | awesome |
| 12:48.36 | Bluechip | ethics: that where you take something which was free and GPL it ;) |
| 12:48.37 | dvlsleep | Rhoruns__, |
| 12:48.44 | Rhoruns__ | hi dvlsleep. lol |
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| 12:49.08 | predder` | it's funny, i'm on HD's in my advanced third year courses and having great difficulty with this stupid first year pass/fail course |
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| 12:49.19 | gilead | contrast83: now I hope you understand it :) |
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| 12:50.30 | contrast83 | gilead: Crystal-clear... Which packages did you install from the Debian repository? |
| 12:50.36 | Rhoruns__ | dvlsleep, what do i do? |
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| 12:50.50 | dvlsleep | sorry |
| 12:50.54 | contrast83 | gilead: Because PostgreSQL marks for installation fine here (on Gutsy) |
| 12:50.56 | dvlsleep | wrong syntax |
| 12:51.00 | Rhoruns__ | lol ok |
| 12:51.07 | dvlsleep | usermod -d home/dir user |
| 12:51.12 | Rhoruns__ | k.. |
| 12:51.44 | dvlsleep | to verify cat /etc/passwd | grep $user |
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| 12:51.49 | gilead | contrast83: eg. postgresql, Ubuntu Feisty had some ancient 7.x version |
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| 12:52.28 | gilead | contrast83: second thing -- I'm fed up with having to *restart* the system each time network settings change |
| 12:52.28 | Rhoruns__ | same thing, dvlsleep: http://www.wkccp.com/paste2/view.php?id=a5ee94e700 |
| 12:52.40 | contrast83 | gilead: 8.2.4 is the default version in Gutsy |
| 12:53.19 | mesof2 | does anyone know how to get java on 64bit/ |
| 12:53.24 | contrast83 | gilead: What do you mean? Can't you just run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" or "sudo NetworkManager"? |
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| 12:54.09 | praecox | hey guys |
| 12:54.12 | Rhoruns__ | hi |
| 12:54.22 | predder` | praecox, what about us girls |
| 12:54.28 | Rhoruns__ | lol |
| 12:54.35 | predder` | well, us fbi agents pretending to be girls |
| 12:54.35 | praecox | I'd like to install Debian on one of my old server. |
| 12:54.44 | Rhoruns__ | you mean the 50 y/o guys with the beer guts? |
| 12:54.45 | praecox | predder`, sorry, dude. |
| 12:54.45 | praecox | :> |
| 12:54.48 | gilead | contrast83: no, DNS data isn't updated no matter what |
| 12:54.58 | gilead | contrast83: but I haven't tried /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 12:55.06 | praecox | I have successfully downloaded and burned netinstall ISO CD. |
| 12:55.14 | gilead | contrast83: but plain ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0 doesn't work |
| 12:55.14 | Rhoruns__ | cool |
| 12:55.23 | Rhoruns__ | praecox, need help with anythign in particular? |
| 12:55.24 | gilead | contrast83: restarting from Network Manager doesn't work either |
| 12:55.27 | predder` | praecox, question? |
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| 12:55.42 | praecox | but unfortunately when I set up to boot from CD, it stops on "Verifying DMI Pool Data..." |
| 12:55.53 | praecox | and Linux doesn't load. |
| 12:55.58 | Bluechip | does anyone have any clues as to where I can find help on creating .deb packages? |
| 12:56.31 | Rhoruns__ | do you have any questionably old/broken hardware??? |
| 12:56.31 | praecox | I checked CD on my workstation (much newer computer) and it works. |
| 12:56.31 | gilead | contrast83: doesn't work = resolv.conf is updated from DHCP but somehow system won't see it |
| 12:56.31 | praecox | old Knoppix 4 and NND Linux distribution are booting well, without any problem. |
| 12:56.35 | predder` | praecox, okay, unfortunately that sounds like a hardware issue. The disc is alright so you'll want to double check you've got the right option in the bios |
| 12:56.37 | Rhoruns__ | oh |
| 12:56.45 | predder` | oh, knoppix boots? |
| 12:56.48 | predder` | How old is old? |
| 12:56.52 | praecox | Rhoruns__, well, it's dual Pentium III 550MHz, not *that* old stuff though. |
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| 12:57.10 | contrast83 | hmm. strange i never had that problem. i'm assuming it's something i'd run into while wardriving, right? |
| 12:57.12 | Rhoruns__ | it should boot fine. try puttign in the disc AFTER verifying pool data |
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| 12:57.31 | praecox | predder`, yes, Knoppix does boot without problem. Debian (and Kubuntu/Ubuntu CDs) just stucks. |
| 12:57.45 | praecox | Rhoruns__, all right, let me try. |
| 12:57.49 | Rhoruns__ | kk :) |
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| 12:58.08 | predder` | praecox, well - perhaps you want to try oldstable (sarge) rather than newstable (etch)? |
| 12:58.49 | praecox | I know it should boot. I have installed a lot of Debians in my short carrier on much older hardware. that's why I'm here and that's why I'm surprised it doesn't boot. |
| 12:59.09 | c_newbie | damn |
| 12:59.11 | c_newbie | why it would take so long to lvm |
| 12:59.16 | predder` | praecox, check the errata list too? (iirc that's what it's called) |
| 12:59.20 | gilead | contrast83: heh, no, eg. when I forget to plug network cable before booting up my laptop -- it's MEGA irritating |
| 12:59.35 | praecox | Rhoruns__, well, I removed CD from CD-ROM and booted. nothing happens after ,,Verifying DMI Pool Data...'' |
| 12:59.48 | predder` | c_newbie, you're adding lvm to your raid10? on top I hope |
| 12:59.50 | praecox | Rhoruns__, that's kinda odd. but still, other CDs and Linux distributions boot. |
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| 13:00.00 | Rhoruns__ | that's very strange |
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| 13:00.20 | gilead | contrast83: I can safely unplug network after system boots and reconnect it later -- everything it ok. But if I forget to be connected when booting the system I have to reboot to go online. Insane. |
| 13:00.29 | predder` | I miss my dual p3 :( |
| 13:00.30 | Rhoruns__ | if i were you, i would try unplugging the CD drive, just for the hell of it, and see what it does. praecox |
| 13:00.34 | Bluechip | Now I see why deb packages is referred to as "a black art" ...neither google nor irc can direct me to anything beyond the utter basics :/ |
| 13:00.48 | predder` | Rhoruns__, how is he going to boot into a cd without the cd drive? |
| 13:00.51 | Rhoruns__ | predder', i got a dual-p3-xeon lol |
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| 13:00.59 | contrast83 | gilead: weird. i never had that problem at all on mine |
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| 13:01.13 | Rhoruns__ | predder', it should go past verifying pool data. |
| 13:01.16 | c_newbie | predder`: i got 4 hds and i set the partition with lvm |
| 13:01.20 | c_newbie | it stil 80% tho |
| 13:01.24 | Rhoruns__ | and say 'can't boot', instead of jsut sitting there |
| 13:01.26 | c_newbie | its been more than 10 minutes already |
| 13:01.31 | predder` | c_newbie, didnt you want a raid10? |
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| 13:01.40 | c_newbie | yes i want it |
| 13:01.49 | c_newbie | i thought i have to format it with lvm? |
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| 13:01.55 | predder` | why are you using lvm now before setting up the raid? |
| 13:01.58 | predder` | no?!? |
| 13:02.03 | gilead | contrast83: maybe Debian doesn't have so many bells&whistles and clickable stuff but at least it does what I tell it to do :) |
| 13:02.03 | c_newbie | ouch |
| 13:02.22 | predder` | lvm goes *on top* of raid, not the other way around. You'll want to setup the raid first dude |
| 13:02.24 | dvlsleep | kernel panic, kernel is too old |
| 13:02.29 | dvlsleep | its a problem of glibc? |
| 13:02.32 | c_newbie | preder then how to install? install debian 1st |
| 13:02.35 | praecox | Rhoruns__, well, if I only change boot sequence in BIOS to any other than CDROM on first position, it passes verifying and says 'can't boot'. |
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| 13:02.37 | c_newbie | am i right? |
| 13:02.41 | praecox | Rhoruns__, I have already tried this. |
| 13:02.45 | Rhoruns__ | ohh |
| 13:02.56 | predder` | c_newbie, is the OS going to be part of the raid? or do you have a seperate os drive? |
| 13:02.58 | Rhoruns__ | have any other CD drives? |
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| 13:03.43 | c_newbie | no idea |
| 13:03.46 | c_newbie | :( |
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| 13:03.53 | c_newbie | i never create fake-raid tho |
| 13:03.58 | predder` | c_newbie, remember what I said about reading a lot about it before you started? :) |
| 13:03.59 | c_newbie | thus i dunno how |
| 13:04.22 | predder` | you shouldn't be going things you dont know about with a database server and expensive scsi drives |
| 13:04.27 | praecox | Rhoruns__, well, got one. let me try if it works with other drive. |
| 13:04.38 | Rhoruns__ | do it. :) praecox |
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| 13:04.40 | c_newbie | i used to with hardware raid |
| 13:05.19 | predder` | okay, well anyway.. are you doing a mirror of stripes or a stripe of mirrors? |
| 13:05.46 | c_newbie | i want to create as like as raid 10 |
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| 13:07.26 | Rhoruns__ | Ahhh! that's why i couldnt go the directory when i created the user... i had to manually make it with mkdir.. ROFL |
| 13:07.41 | blinx | anyone can recommend a real nice serife font? something other like times... |
| 13:07.58 | Rhoruns__ | sans serif is good :) |
| 13:07.59 | predder` | c_newbie, I think 10 is a stripe of mirrors |
| 13:08.17 | c_newbie | 1+0 = 10 right? |
| 13:08.27 | predder` | yeah |
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| 13:09.18 | Rhoruns__ | raid 9000 is even better! |
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| 13:09.34 | predder` | c_newbie, so you'll first in the debian installer partition your drives, formatting as the linux raid type |
| 13:09.55 | predder` | then you'll go to the setup raid up the top and create a raid1 by following the prompts |
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| 13:10.43 | predder` | then, the resulting 2 raid devices you will again select the "formatting" as linux raid and then setup the raid again, raid0'ing the 2 raid devices into one |
| 13:11.01 | c_newbie | so i install the debian on the 1st hd first, right? |
| 13:11.06 | predder` | then you'll have a single drive to work with which is effectively raid10 |
| 13:11.22 | predder` | well you didn't tell me if you had a seperate OS drive or not? |
| 13:11.42 | predder` | is the operating system going onto the raid or is it for data only? |
| 13:12.34 | c_newbie | no idea tho |
| 13:12.55 | c_newbie | i guess i willl use this 4 hd with raid 10 |
| 13:12.59 | c_newbie | os is only need 1 gb |
| 13:13.05 | c_newbie | databse will need the raid 10 itself |
| 13:13.31 | predder` | ... but does the os go on the same physical disks as the raid or do you have a seperate one? |
| 13:13.36 | predder` | ot |
| 13:13.38 | c_newbie | no |
| 13:13.42 | c_newbie | i dont have |
| 13:14.02 | predder` | oh, finally. So the answer is "yes, the OS is going on the raid disks" |
| 13:14.14 | c_newbie | :D |
| 13:14.26 | predder` | okay, well you're going to want to figure out your partitioning first. Get out a pen and paper |
| 13:14.27 | threat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCJcvVWRABs |
| 13:14.32 | c_newbie | i am bos |
| 13:14.42 | praecox | Rhoruns__, all right! it works now. |
| 13:14.49 | Rhoruns__ | ah! |
| 13:14.51 | praecox | Rhoruns__, but it's absolutely weird thing. |
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| 13:14.58 | Rhoruns__ | it sure is, praecox |
| 13:15.09 | predder` | c_newbie: /boot - 100mb, / - 2gb, /var/log - 1gb etc |
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| 13:15.51 | predder` | I'm going to get back onto my assignment however it is very important you make /boot raid1 only, no striping |
| 13:16.16 | c_newbie | oh i forgot, my hd are 4x @73gb scsi |
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| 13:17.08 | predder` | yeah, you mentioned that a while ago. I wish I had your resources - i'm stuck with freaking 7,200rpm drives in our dedicated db machine at work |
| 13:17.36 | predder` | it's hosting 8 other servers and has a hot spare yet the boss doesnt think scsis are justified >:( |
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| 13:20.09 | Rhoruns__ | Bah, how do i lock my user to this dir? he still able to cd .. and wreak havoc >.< :D |
| 13:20.58 | Arafangion | predder`: Prepare a document that shows a monetary advantage. |
| 13:21.17 | petemc | Rhoruns__: how does he wreak havoc? |
| 13:21.40 | Rhoruns__ | he wreaks havoc by looking at my files :D |
| 13:21.46 | Rhoruns__ | lol |
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| 13:22.18 | c_newbie | predder`: and? |
| 13:22.35 | Arafangion | Rhoruns__: Then make it so he can't. |
| 13:22.49 | Rhoruns__ | how?!?! this jail thing doesnt make sence |
| 13:22.49 | Arafangion | Rhoruns__: Make your files 770, and make sure he's not in your group. |
| 13:23.08 | Rhoruns__ | hmm.. |
| 13:23.08 | fireba11 | Arafangion: why not 700 :-D |
| 13:23.11 | predder` | c_newbie and what? did you do what I said? figure out your partitioning and sizes etc on paper? |
| 13:23.52 | predder` | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Adaptec-IBM-ASR-3225S-128MB-FRU-02R0985_W0QQitemZ140153307103QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3753QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <-- btw, c_newbie: that's a *real* scsi controller. Battery backed cache and all |
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| 13:24.10 | fastputty | my HD is running out of memoery |
| 13:24.19 | fastputty | how can i know which file take al the place |
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| 13:24.29 | Arafangion | fastputty: *space*, not memory. |
| 13:24.30 | predder` | fastputty, that would only be true if your cache is not acting appropriately |
| 13:24.37 | fireba11 | fastputty : du -sh is your friend |
| 13:24.41 | predder` | Arafangion, way to be blunt |
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| 13:25.09 | predder` | fastputty du -hcs to summarise a directory |
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| 13:26.48 | Arafangion | predder`: I'd put in an -x as well. :) |
| 13:27.01 | c_newbie | any tutorial on web please? :( |
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| 13:27.13 | fireba11 | c_newbie: about what ? |
| 13:27.24 | fastputty | predder`: is there a command to get me the bigges file from all directory |
| 13:27.26 | fastputty | or something |
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| 13:27.59 | masus | hi all |
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| 13:28.10 | Arafangion | fastputty: I suggest you install kdirstat |
| 13:28.39 | fireba11 | fastputty: you might alsu use ls -r with a nice grep attached :-D |
| 13:28.49 | masus | i have a "AMD Opteron 200 processor / dual core" ASUS K8N. Which kernel do i need .. thanks |
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| 13:28.58 | masus | kernel-image-2.6-k7 - Linux 2.6 image on AMD K7 - transition package ??? |
| 13:28.59 | masus | this one |
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| 13:29.08 | Arafangion | fastputty: kdirstat is a nice innovative graphical utility that shows you how your disk is being used up. |
| 13:29.24 | fireba11 | masus : amd64 i'd suggest |
| 13:30.13 | masus | fireba11 : can u tak a look at http://pastebin.ca/683981 |
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| 13:30.26 | predder` | fireba11, that's poor advice, he should be warned of the 64bit implications |
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| 13:30.30 | masus | which one of them there are a lot of amd64 |
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| 13:31.24 | Petrov | how can i remove grub from a live cd? |
| 13:31.25 | en1gma | when the command 'make oldconfig' is ran where does it read info from? is it from /boot/config? |
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| 13:31.55 | masus | fireba11: maybe this one ? kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on AMD64 systems - transition package |
| 13:32.00 | Ryushin | So much for ever seeing ZFS in the linux kernel. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9034496 |
| 13:32.12 | predder` | masus: you will want either: kernel-image-2.6-686 or kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8 |
| 13:32.33 | masus | ok thanks |
| 13:32.43 | c_newbie | fireba11: about "how to create raid 10 on debian envi |
| 13:32.51 | en1gma | where does the command 'make oldconfig' read from? is it from /boot ? |
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| 13:33.03 | predder` | masus, I should mention the 64bit kernel image means you'll need 64 bit libraries and your programs to support running in 64bit. If this is a problem I would just run the 2.6-686 unless you have a specific reason to go 64bit |
| 13:33.28 | Arafangion | 64-bit does not neccessarily mean that your computer somehow goes faster. |
| 13:33.28 | predder` | there are ways around it (32bit chroot) but it's up to you how much time/effort you want to invest |
| 13:33.29 | masus | no i have not |
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| 13:33.51 | ]pablo[ | what's a good ipod manager for debian? |
| 13:34.01 | masus | i have installed debian with "linux-image-2.6-486" |
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| 13:34.18 | masus | and now i need route support for iptables ROUTE |
| 13:34.25 | masus | so i have to install the kernel right ? |
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| 13:36.06 | alex^^ | whats the command to see which processes are open on which ports on a local box? |
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| 13:36.16 | chops | alex^^: netstat -p |
| 13:36.48 | predder` | Pablo_, amarok is fairly highly regarded |
| 13:36.50 | alex^^ | chops, there is another |
| 13:37.05 | predder` | as a general music management program rather than just for your ipod though |
| 13:37.23 | Rhoruns__ | how do i send secret naughty messages between users in ssh/shell? |
| 13:37.24 | Rhoruns__ | lol |
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| 13:37.38 | predder` | alex^^ - netstat -taunp |
| 13:37.43 | chops | alex^^: You should have asked for the other one, then :-) |
| 13:38.26 | feklee_ | When I try to start RealVNC's vncserver, then it complains: could not open default font 'fixed'. Which additional package do I need to install? |
| 13:38.29 | chops | Rhoruns__: write |
| 13:38.35 | Rhoruns__ | ok |
| 13:39.00 | Rhoruns__ | awww... write permission turned off :( |
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| 13:39.31 | Rhoruns__ | how do i turn write back on? |
| 13:40.09 | masus | where is the top level linux kernel source directory |
| 13:40.14 | masus | i cant find it |
| 13:40.26 | azeem | masus: you shouldn't need it, what are you trying to do? |
| 13:41.02 | predder` | masus - if you require it you'll most likely want your appropriate kernel-headers<version> package |
| 13:41.15 | masus | i need iptables ROUTE module |
| 13:41.28 | predder` | is that a kernel module? |
| 13:41.29 | masus | and there is writing that i have not the configs in the kernel |
| 13:41.38 | masus | so i have do "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686" |
| 13:42.32 | predder` | umm, sure. However are you sure you just haven't loaded the correct module yourself? "modprobe <modulename> |
| 13:42.36 | predder` | "* |
| 13:42.43 | masus | is that all ? |
| 13:42.53 | masus | :S |
| 13:43.01 | predder` | the stock debian kernel has most things modularised. You can add/remove them at will |
| 13:43.01 | azeem | masus: well, try it |
| 13:43.10 | masus | :) ok thanks |
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| 13:44.15 | masus | is there an output from modprobe |
| 13:44.19 | masus | or blank ? |
| 13:44.47 | masus | for example "modprobe ip_conntrack" returns nothing |
| 13:45.22 | predder` | lsmod | less and have a look if it's loaded |
| 13:45.45 | predder` | you could grep it but you might want more output |
| 13:45.54 | chops | Rhoruns__: I believe that "mesg" is how you set write permissions for your terminal |
| 13:46.03 | Rhoruns__ | ok |
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| 13:46.26 | masus | yes it is loaded thanks :P |
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| 13:47.16 | masus | where are these modules located |
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| 13:47.55 | azeem | masus: in /lib/modules/ |
| 13:47.56 | doudo | i try bochs and i have this error did not find : VGABIOS-lgpl-latest |
| 13:48.30 | azeem | doudo: why do you need bochs? I suggest to use qemu, rather |
| 13:48.40 | azeem | unless you want to emulate cross-architecture |
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| 13:49.30 | doudo | azeem, i am reading josh os, i am unable to boot with qemu |
| 13:50.34 | predder` | masus: you're welcome |
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| 13:50.44 | doudo | azeem, i have no floppy in my computer, and dont know how to emulate correctly one for the bootstrap program that search KERNEL.BIN in a fat floppy |
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| 13:52.05 | doudo | azeem, how do i make kernel able to mount -o loop -t fat ? |
| 13:52.46 | sparr | I would like to connect to my VPN at work. It Just Works with our windows xp clients. I can get kvpnc to say that I am connected, but nothing seems to work beyond that. Help? |
| 13:53.35 | doudo | i dont understand why bochs does not work anyway |
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| 13:55.43 | Arafangion | azeem: Even with cross arch, I'd still suggest qemu. |
| 13:55.54 | andrewtaylor_ | Hi, has anyone seen a working DAV setup which doesn't list the files in the directory? I can login etc and if I blind change directory it works, just normal connection shows no files |
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| 13:56.04 | Arafangion | doudo: You need to add the bios firmware for boches to run. |
| 13:57.10 | masus | predder` thanks |
| 13:57.19 | masus | this channel is wonderful :) |
| 13:57.24 | masus | and debian too |
| 13:58.48 | doudo | arafangion, i did google with VGABIOS-lgpl-latest, and found http://www.nongnu.org/vgabios/#DOWNLOAD, but they said it is shipped with bochs since 2.3, is somewhere explained why it is not into debian release? |
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| 13:59.36 | Arafangion | doudo: Probably because of the license? |
| 13:59.59 | doudo | masus, this channel is the best thing just after the internet and some other channels almost at the same level |
| 14:00.12 | masus | http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2006/08/msg00021.html |
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| 14:00.51 | doudo | arafangion, license, yes, but is it explained somewhere what debian did not put into realeases and for what problems? |
| 14:01.19 | predder` | masus - Debian? Oh crap I thought this was minix |
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| 14:01.44 | doudo | minix is my next move |
| 14:02.42 | predder` | Tanenbaum certainly entertained the crowd (including Torvalds) at the last Australian Linux conf by giving out free minix cds |
| 14:02.44 | doudo | i intend to play, minix ubuntu, freebsd, netbsd, lfs, damsl, gentoo |
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| 14:03.04 | predder` | it's become a bit of an inside joke with my work colleagues who attended |
| 14:03.38 | predder` | I was shocked to learn the Debian project leader lives/d only 60kms from my home too |
| 14:03.41 | fastputty | what is the most stables ? gnome or kde |
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| 14:04.31 | predder` | fastputty, that's flamewar material right there. If they're in the debian stable branch suffice to say you probably wont have many problems with either |
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| 14:04.50 | predder` | (use kde) *runs* |
| 14:05.01 | Arafangion | fastputty: xfce! |
| 14:05.03 | fastputty | thanks< |
| 14:05.08 | doudo | fluxbox |
| 14:05.08 | fastputty | xfce? |
| 14:05.16 | fastputty | what is xfce |
| 14:05.21 | Ronin | !xfce |
| 14:05.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 14:05.36 | fastputty | and what is fluxbox? lol |
| 14:05.42 | Ronin | fastputty: www.google.com |
| 14:05.48 | doudo | lighter is fluxbox |
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| 14:05.58 | Arafangion | flux isn't a DE, though. |
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| 14:07.32 | sp3tt | WHy is there no makefile in the etch-backports version of linux-headers-2.6.21-2? |
| 14:08.24 | predder` | sp3tt, because it's the headers not the source? |
| 14:09.07 | predder` | you can always roll your own and add the debian kernel changes manually yourself |
| 14:09.39 | sp3tt | predder`: right, then why is a makefile in linux-headers/scripts/basic required? I try to make-kpkg kernel-image but it fails because it can't find that file |
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| 14:12.19 | predder` | make-kpkg I believe is used to make a package out of kernel source (compiling inbetween). You need a makefile to compile and the headers are not the kernel source if that's your goal |
| 14:12.28 | predder` | !makekpkg |
| 14:12.33 | predder` | !make-kpkg |
| 14:12.33 | dpkg | from memory, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
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| 14:12.38 | cydork | sp3tt: coz you need linux-kbuild-2.6.21 ? |
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| 14:13.11 | predder` | sp3tt, do you understand? |
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| 14:14.22 | sp3tt | predder`: I think so, I need to apt-get another package |
| 14:14.29 | Iradigalesc | Hello! Is it possible to |
| 14:14.44 | Iradigalesc | copy a file replacing a part of its content |
| 14:14.53 | Iradigalesc | with a bash or a shell script? |
| 14:14.57 | predder` | sp3tt, well basically you're trying to compile the linux source code without the source code :) |
| 14:15.03 | sp3tt | Iradigalesc: yes, try sed. |
| 14:15.09 | mat3o | maybe use cat and sed |
| 14:15.20 | sp3tt | Why use cat? Sed can read from a file. |
| 14:15.26 | mat3o | sorry ;) |
| 14:15.41 | predder` | Iradigalesc: a perl one liner would probably suffice too |
| 14:15.53 | en1gma | i get this error: "arch/i386/defconfig:175:warning" if i do this....dload 2.6.22.6 from kernel.org then tar xjf kernel....then i cd to that dir and do a 'make clean' then i do a 'make menconfig' AND here is where the fun starts....i load the /arch/i386/defconfig and it shows it loaded but this that error in beginning of this message |
| 14:16.06 | alex^^ | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=472370 - interesting bits at the bottom of the bug report |
| 14:16.08 | Iradigalesc | predder`: I never used perl |
| 14:16.27 | andrewtaylor_ | anyone use webdav it's kinda working but not quite and i don't know to debug |
| 14:16.36 | en1gma | why would i get that error when its actually a 2.6.22.6 config im loading in menuconfig |
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| 14:16.39 | andrewtaylor_ | it authenticates but i can't see any files |
| 14:16.44 | sp3tt | predder`: I have linux-kbuild-2.6.21 and linux-headers.2.6.21.2 what else do I need? |
| 14:16.51 | andrewtaylor_ | they are there, as I can blind change directory into a known directory |
| 14:17.26 | predder` | sp3tt: why are you trying to re-compile the kernel? making changes? |
| 14:18.03 | jelly | Hi. When I change to a UTF-8 enabled locale, source code snippets in man pages have all the quote characters wrong (use the pretty unicode open and closed quotes, instead of plain ' and "). Is this normal? |
| 14:18.08 | claudio` | How can i use Dejavu Mono font on urxvt? I tried to use the -fn flag with the argument '8x13,xft:ttf-dejavu:pixelsize=12:antialias=false' but without results. I get some problema seeing some characted (i use UTF-8). I've tried to add the "/usr/share/fonts/truetype" and "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/" to my xorg.conf file but without results. Does anyone have an idea? |
| 14:18.09 | themill | en1gma: if you're using kernel.org sources and not compiling using make-kpkg, then you shouls take your question to ##kernel. |
| 14:18.17 | claudio` | s/problema/problem |
| 14:18.21 | sp3tt | predder`: I need to disable PARAVIRT so I can use 3d acceleration. |
| 14:18.23 | claudio` | s/characted/character |
| 14:18.33 | dalias | jelly, what's "wrong" about that tho? :) |
| 14:18.40 | sp3tt | predder`: m-a a-i fglrx is not compatible with PARAVIRT. |
| 14:18.46 | jelly | dalias: can't paste the code. |
| 14:18.56 | dalias | jelly, ah, it does it in code? |
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| 14:19.12 | jelly | dalias: yes. read my line. |
| 14:19.12 | themill | jelly: I don't see that with LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 14:19.14 | dalias | that means the man page was written wrong, to use typographic quotation marks rather than literal ascii... |
| 14:19.17 | Iradigalesc | sp3tt: Why can I get more information about sed? With sed --help I ca't see any option that allows me to change a line of the file... |
| 14:19.25 | themill | jelly: specific man page? |
| 14:19.48 | dalias | so it's a bug in the particular man page |
| 14:20.02 | jelly | themill: are you sure your terminal is UTF-8 capable? |
| 14:20.05 | sp3tt | Iradigalesc: sed -e s/replace this/with this/ file > file2 |
| 14:20.25 | en1gma | themill i never said i was compiling hello |
| 14:20.27 | Iradigalesc | sp3tt: ok; thanks! |
| 14:20.29 | predder` | sp3tt: I see. Won't you want --> http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.21_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_all.deb |
| 14:20.38 | en1gma | so far to my point it is using make menconfig which is debian related |
| 14:20.43 | en1gma | re-read my Q |
| 14:20.50 | sp3tt | predder`: thanks, I'll try it. |
| 14:21.20 | predder` | (i assume you're working off backports right?) |
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| 14:21.36 | jelly | themill: no, pretty much any man page. LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 man muttrc shows eg. Default: “~/.muttrc” |
| 14:21.51 | themill | jelly: yep, definitely utf-8 capable. (konsole with a utf-8 font and set to utf-8 encoding) |
| 14:22.04 | themill | jelly: but that man page is fubar for me too. |
| 14:22.12 | sparr | trying to set up a cisco vpn connection, all the software wants an ipsec id and group password. i dont have those. help? |
| 14:22.25 | jelly | themill: basically any Perl man page is, too |
| 14:22.56 | themill | jelly: LANG=C man muttrc works though. man sprintf and friends are ok (that was what I checked to begin with) |
| 14:23.14 | themill | jelly: so I probably has a false negative on them being fubar |
| 14:23.30 | Iradigalesc | sp3tt: sed: -e expression #1, charter 9: order «s» not finished |
| 14:23.37 | Iradigalesc | :( |
| 14:24.09 | jelly | themill: I wonder whether it's man's fault, or all of the man pages / their generators use slightly wrong codes |
| 14:24.13 | sp3tt | Iradigalesc: what's the full command? |
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| 14:24.37 | jelly | themill: it's bts time! |
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| 14:24.46 | Ungi | hi all |
| 14:24.51 | Iradigalesc | sp3tt: sed -e s/replace one thing/another/ test.txt > file2 |
| 14:25.03 | themill | jelly: if man sprintf can get it right, it's probably the writer's fault -- the code snippet probably should be marked as such. (he says without having actually looked at what's in the offending pages!) |
| 14:25.07 | Stefano1337 | hi, which repositorie do i have to add to my sources.list to install windowmaker? |
| 14:25.27 | themill | jelly: perhaps a known-good man page can provide the info for you to know what's wrong |
| 14:25.31 | jelly | themill: heh. man perlintro does double-quotes all right, but single quotes not |
| 14:25.38 | Ungi | question: is that unsecure: chmod +s /sbin/ifup(ifconfig und ifdown) ??? |
| 14:25.45 | sp3tt | Iradigalesc: try sed -e 's/replace....' test.txt > file2 |
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| 14:26.13 | fastputty | how can i killa online user logged in the shell? |
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| 14:26.44 | azeem | fastputty: slay |
| 14:26.50 | themill | jelly: man perlfunc is fine for me. Was there a specific perl man page? |
| 14:26.52 | fastputty | thanks |
| 14:27.32 | Iradigalesc | sp3tt: Now it don't crashed but it copyed the same file without mading any replacement |
| 14:27.59 | jelly | themill: sprintf(3) does single quotes bad, too, I think. (including the trailing null byte (’\0’)) |
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| 14:28.43 | themill | jelly: yep.. good catch. I was concentrating on the double quotes |
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| 14:29.37 | sophacles | hi all. when i do an apt-get update i get the following error: Reading package lists... Error! |
| 14:29.38 | sophacles | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 14:29.38 | sophacles | E: Error occurred while processing iceweasel (NewVersion1) How do i fix this? |
| 14:30.03 | cydork | !tell sophacles -about mmap |
| 14:30.05 | jelly | themill: yup... perl pages seem to get " right. muttrc man page is a mish-mash of correct and incorrect double quotes, though :-) |
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| 14:30.25 | landoman2 | hi to everybody |
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| 14:30.30 | sophacles | thanks cydork |
| 14:30.30 | landoman2 | i need help, |
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| 14:30.49 | New-biee | hello |
| 14:30.54 | cydork | !ask |
| 14:30.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:31.00 | jelly | themill: Single quotes (“’”) and double quotes (“"”) can be used to quote strings ... see that quoted "? It's fine :-) |
| 14:31.24 | Iradigalesc | !ask |
| 14:31.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:31.29 | New-biee | in /etc/hosts we can only add ip then domain ? is there another way to point a domain to another domain without using ip ? |
| 14:31.31 | Iradigalesc | oh; that's nice :) |
| 14:31.52 | landoman2 | when boot my debian, dont load kde, and appear the next text: " INIT Id"1" too fast respawding. Disabled for 5 minutes "... |
| 14:31.59 | azeem | en1gma: "arch/i386/defconfig:175:warning" is not an error |
| 14:32.01 | landoman2 | someone can help me , with this?? |
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| 14:34.32 | New-biee | hello |
| 14:35.34 | landoman2 | i need help |
| 14:36.18 | New-biee | ask |
| 14:36.27 | Iradigalesc | landoman2: Which Debian version are you using? |
| 14:36.56 | Iradigalesc | New-biee: He asked it: when boot my debian, dont load kde, and appear the next text: " INIT Id"1" too fast respawding. Disabled for 5 minutes "... |
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| 14:37.42 | landoman2 | Yes, I need help with this.. |
| 14:37.48 | New-biee | ooh i guess go to rescue and change the defaul init in inittab |
| 14:38.07 | landoman2 | "INIT id"1" too fast respawding... disabled for 5 minuyes.. |
| 14:38.18 | New-biee | 1 is single mode |
| 14:38.21 | New-biee | he needs 5 |
| 14:38.29 | New-biee | init id 5 |
| 14:38.32 | landoman2 | where i go ? |
| 14:38.34 | New-biee | 5 = gui |
| 14:38.47 | New-biee | go to /etc/inittab |
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| 14:38.59 | New-biee | # The default runlevel. |
| 14:39.00 | New-biee | id:2:initdefault: |
| 14:39.24 | New-biee | change the id:2:initdefault: to id:5:initdefault: |
| 14:39.32 | New-biee | got it ? |
| 14:40.07 | landoman2 | ok.. i going... |
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| 14:40.50 | New-biee | ok |
| 14:41.48 | landoman2 | ok, i changed this |
| 14:41.58 | New-biee | try to reboot now |
| 14:42.01 | New-biee | what was it |
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| 14:43.38 | cydork | New-biee: in debian runlevel 2-5 are same. check /msg dpkg runlevel |
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| 14:44.41 | New-biee | then which is the gui runlevel !? |
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| 14:45.25 | azeem | New-biee: none |
| 14:45.27 | azeem | New-biee: or all |
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| 14:45.32 | azeem | New-biee: it's your own decision |
| 14:45.38 | landoman2 | just please a second.. |
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| 14:46.32 | New-biee | then he has to login then type startx ! |
| 14:46.45 | New-biee | or doing more configuration |
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| 14:47.01 | en1gma | in meniconfig i have a simple Q....say you are in a pretty big catagory like networking (which i am) and you start checking things on either M or * and you are going down the options 1 by 1.....why is it sometimes when you check some options it puts "---" in an above option you had already made M or * |
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| 14:47.28 | Alex--- | hello, i need some help with penggy over tcp/ip, can help me someone ? |
| 14:47.35 | landoman | im back |
| 14:47.41 | New-biee | wb |
| 14:47.42 | New-biee | so |
| 14:47.47 | dante_2core | hi |
| 14:48.00 | New-biee | alex ask |
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| 14:48.03 | azeem | en1gma: maybe the options conflict |
| 14:48.24 | Alex--- | i can`t make penggy work with tcp/ip |
| 14:48.33 | en1gma | azeem well i was thinking about that but is a "---" mean that it turned it ON or turned it OFF |
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| 14:49.10 | en1gma | like if a below option turned the above option to --- does that mean that the option that has the "---" is forced on or forced off |
| 14:49.12 | azeem | en1gma: I don't know, I haven't used menuconfig for 5 years now or so |
| 14:49.22 | azeem | en1gma: I assume there's documentation about it you could read |
| 14:49.38 | en1gma | prob so |
| 14:49.52 | en1gma | but i prefer to read here when i can ;) |
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| 14:50.50 | benjamindees | is anyone using athcool successfully on a k7/thunderbird? |
| 14:50.53 | Alex--- | help me |
| 14:51.06 | Alex--- | with penggy |
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| 14:51.40 | azeem | Alex---: what is penggy? |
| 14:51.45 | benjamindees | !penggy |
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| 14:51.52 | lordrich | !info penggy |
| 14:51.55 | dpkg | penggy: (connects to AOL via modem or TCP/IP), section net, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-17 (sid), Packaged size: 74 kB, Installed size: 336 kB |
| 14:51.59 | Alex--- | penggy i for connect to aol network |
| 14:52.03 | benjamindees | yeah, pengaol |
| 14:52.14 | tuv | what's a good and debian/linux-compatible webcam? |
| 14:52.20 | Alex--- | and i need to connect over tcp/ip |
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| 14:52.45 | smacnay_ | was there, at one time, a gnome or gtk front-end for mame? |
| 14:53.04 | RvGaTe | tuv, best bet is to aim for the older ones... |
| 14:53.19 | dante_2core | tuv, logitech quickcam connect stx for example. |
| 14:54.22 | Alex--- | i make the configuration, i connect to aol, i get ip from aol, but no traffic, no ping reply, and after a time it disconnects |
| 14:54.33 | Alex--- | can help me solve that ? |
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| 14:56.14 | chops | xingu: In case you're curious (and around at the moment), I believe I've tracked down the problem with my gigabit to busted offloading. |
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| 14:57.17 | chops | xingu: I rebooted for the etch kernel upgrade (and some other maintenance), and my performance was still crappy even with all the sysctl parameters loaded. I've re-disabled all offloading, and it's fast again. Further investigation will have to wait until I get a bit of my other work done. :-) |
| 14:57.22 | chops | xingu: Thanks again for all your help. |
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| 15:02.47 | aeshyama1 | hi i have a webcam with uvc driver and thats working with luvcview program but its not working in ekiga |
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| 15:04.07 | aeshyama1 | i have installed new ekiga 2.0.9 now...when it was ekiga 2.0.3 the light of webcam was on but the camera wasnot working as it says the webcam format is not supported...but in ekiga 2.0.9 even the light of webcam isnt on |
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| 15:06.36 | S4nD3r | hi there |
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| 15:09.28 | aeshyama1 | surfing the forums i get to know that ekiga supports uvc webcams out of the box but not in my case what shall i do to work webcam in ekiga? |
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| 15:09.54 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 15:09.54 | dpkg | webcam is probably a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
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| 15:12.37 | jetscreamer | what the hell is ekiga |
| 15:12.46 | jetscreamer | !find ekiga |
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| 15:13.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ekiga' (3 of 4): (/usr/share/icons/Wasp/scalable/apps/ekiga.svg) in gnome/gnome-themes-extras ;; (/usr/share/menu/ekiga, /usr/share/pixmaps/ekiga.png, /usr/lib/bonobo/servers/ekiga.server) in gnome/ekiga ;; (/usr/share/app-install/icons/ekiga.png, /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ekiga.desktop) in x11/app-install-data. |
| 15:13.08 | azeem | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg search |
| 15:13.15 | azeem | find won't tell you much anyay |
| 15:13.18 | azeem | anyway* |
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| 15:14.21 | jetscreamer | i just wanted to know if it was a debian package never seen it |
| 15:14.31 | azeem | !info ekiga |
| 15:14.42 | dpkg | ekiga: (H.323 and SIP compatible VOIP client), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.0.9-3 (sid), Packaged size: 6804 kB, Installed size: 14584 kB |
| 15:14.55 | jetscreamer | god my laptop is on my dresser and so is my cat and she's trying to claw my hands as i type |
| 15:15.10 | jetscreamer | and chew |
| 15:15.27 | smacnay_ | jetscreamer: my new cat (kitten) tries to pounce on the mouse cursor on the screen. |
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| 15:16.31 | jetscreamer | yeah that's fun.. i had a cat did that... i quit letting them in my lap while i'm on the computer though :) |
| 15:17.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: it used to be gnome-meeting |
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| 15:18.06 | jetscreamer | ah that i've seen |
| 15:18.21 | abrotman | they changed the name .. dunno .. two years ago maybe ? |
| 15:18.26 | abrotman | nah .. couldn't be that long |
| 15:18.38 | azeem | I'd say so, yes |
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| 15:18.58 | abrotman | really? |
| 15:18.58 | azeem | I think ekiga was at latest around by early 2006 |
| 15:19.01 | abrotman | wow .. i'm getting old |
| 15:19.04 | jetscreamer | i don't browse the gnome packages much anymore, or kde |
| 15:19.19 | jetscreamer | yeh hard to believe it's been so long |
| 15:19.47 | abrotman | azeem: do you know if there's an RSS-type thing for new packages going into debian ? |
| 15:20.17 | azeem | maybe I heard somebody setting up something like that |
| 15:20.19 | StylusEater_Work | how might I turn off power to a specific usb 2.0 port? |
| 15:20.26 | azeem | but I don't think there's something official |
| 15:20.28 | StylusEater_Work | adjust a setting in proc? |
| 15:21.29 | jetscreamer | i read about that StylusEater_Work ... don't remember how, but i was reading about flow control / switches-valves |
| 15:21.37 | aeshyama1 | dpkg:i have installed the uvc drivers and made my webcam(camera integrated with the acer aspire 5570z laptop)work in debian but i cant get it working in ekiga |
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| 15:22.07 | azeem | "New name, and first Beta release Damien Sandras 2006-01-18" |
| 15:22.09 | azeem | there you go |
| 15:22.19 | StylusEater_Work | hrm. I have a hub with a few rechargeable devices attached. I want to kill power to that hub by toggling the port it's attached to... I've looked on linux-usb.org and a few other sites to no avail.. |
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| 15:23.07 | jetscreamer | i 'think' it said it depends on your hardware... not sure. but it was saying it can be done... and the hw might have been for adjusting the voltage... (flow control) |
| 15:23.15 | liable | 22 supports ich9? |
| 15:23.36 | StylusEater_Work | jetscreamer: so I might be able to toggle the voltage only? |
| 15:23.39 | Phil4 | can someone tell me why VLC is in Sarge, Etch and Sid but not Lenny? |
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| 15:23.59 | jelly | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 15:24.00 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 15:24.01 | liable | Phil4: RC bugs |
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| 15:24.08 | jetscreamer | no i meant i think i remember that it's easier to on/off than adjust the volts |
| 15:24.17 | jetscreamer | but i'm hazy on it(obviously) |
| 15:24.20 | StylusEater_Work | ah. sorry. |
| 15:24.21 | Phil4 | liable, what does that mean for me? How do I get VLC? |
| 15:24.27 | jetscreamer | point: it can be done. |
| 15:24.37 | jetscreamer | apt-ge tinstall it |
| 15:24.49 | jetscreamer | Phil4: ^^\ |
| 15:24.51 | Ronin | jetscreamer: not if not in lenny |
| 15:24.53 | jelly | Phil4: carefully download and install the unstable package? |
| 15:25.05 | jetscreamer | use mplayer |
| 15:25.15 | jetscreamer | see also marillat's |
| 15:25.43 | jetscreamer | see also xine-ui |
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| 15:28.36 | Tominator | hi |
| 15:28.49 | Tominator | Does anybody know, whether there ist a good gnome implementation of a speech recognition software (e.g. sphinx) for dictating to Open Office for example? |
| 15:28.52 | giggsey | I've tried apt-get --reinstall install mysql-server, but it won't create /var/lib/mysql/* - How do I get apt to recreate it? |
| 15:29.04 | aeshyama1 | while proceeding through the configuration druid of ekiga, i can select usb2.0 camera but the detecting the camera says "could not open the chosen channel with the chosen video format" |
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| 15:31.17 | kenjy | guys I use vsftpd and it can chroot the users, is there a easy way to chroot the users in a sftp server? |
| 15:33.27 | jetscreamer | http://www.linux-usb.org/ ? |
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| 15:35.08 | jetscreamer | http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/Par/arch/usb/usbdoc/ ? |
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| 15:35.14 | deadlyliver | hello |
| 15:35.31 | jetscreamer | !beer deadlyliver |
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| 15:35.57 | deadlyliver | woot |
| 15:36.21 | kenjy | no way? |
| 15:36.52 | petemc | way |
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| 15:39.17 | Spec | I'm using ESX w/ debian, and I'm trying to mount a raw lun from a SAN...apparantly it's viewed as an 'evms' device, but when evms_active is called on the disk (/dev/sdb), I get "device-mapper: dm-linear: Device lookup failed" / "device-mapper: error adding target to table", where can I find documentation on this type of problem? |
| 15:39.25 | icatorze | what's happening with arm packages in etch repository? |
| 15:39.49 | icatorze | all packages unavaliable |
| 15:40.17 | jetscreamer | of each person |
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| 15:43.21 | gustavo | Sep 6 12:25:13 gustavo-laptop postfix/local[19555]: 3B9161F4DA: to=<teste@gustavo.org>, relay=local, delay=0.08, delays=0.05/0/0/0.04, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: /usr/bin/maildrop: Unable to open mailbox. ) |
| 15:43.28 | gustavo | can anyone help? |
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| 15:46.23 | kenjy | guys I use vsftpd and it can chroot the users, is there a easy way to chroot the users in a sftp server? |
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| 15:47.27 | bonez39 | other than paid support at Adobe, are there any channels here providing Acrobat help? |
| 15:47.57 | EvilDin | how could i install libfaad-dev? |
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| 15:48.08 | Spec | solution: uninstall evms |
| 15:48.18 | benjamindees | is anyone using athcool successfully? |
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| 15:50.07 | smacnay_ | benjamindees: Boy, from what I read in the apt-get show athcool readout, I would not even try it. |
| 15:50.14 | jetscreamer | well if apt-get install libfaad-dev doesn't work, enable marillat's sources |
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| 15:50.18 | edistar | bonez39: any problem? |
| 15:50.23 | jetscreamer | and do it again |
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| 15:50.43 | benjamindees | smacnay_, I disabled dma on all my disks so I'm not worried about that |
| 15:50.55 | jetscreamer | yeah it's on marillat's |
| 15:51.23 | jetscreamer | !tell EvilDin -about debian-multimedia |
| 15:51.42 | benjamindees | my problem is that it seems to do nothing at all |
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| 15:55.31 | fastputty | why do i get lot of incoming from port 259 and 500 |
| 15:55.40 | fastputty | is tat normal? |
| 15:56.33 | jetscreamer | h |
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| 15:57.43 | annoia | For some reason I cannot see java-applications in iceweasel. I just get a blank area where the java applet is supposed to be. |
| 15:58.16 | Gathond | annoia: sounds like the java plugin is not installed or does not work |
| 15:58.49 | annoia | gathond - If I remove the link to the plugin I get a "do you want to search for a plugin?"-icon... |
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| 15:59.42 | downhillgames | is there a way to run regular firefox instead of iceweasel? |
| 15:59.53 | Gathond | downhillgames: download it from mozilla.com |
| 15:59.59 | Ronin | downhillgames: iceweasel is firefox |
| 16:00.03 | Gathond | or .org or whatever its called |
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| 16:00.07 | downhillgames | um |
| 16:00.12 | downhillgames | isn't not in the package manager? |
| 16:00.17 | UpgradeBoy | how do I stop removable media appearing on the desktop? |
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| 16:00.21 | downhillgames | Ronin; not it isn't. it's some 100% FOSS version or some shiz |
| 16:00.23 | annoia | gathond - But then, in opera the browser just crashes, if I try to use java.. |
| 16:00.23 | petemc | uname -a |
| 16:00.24 | petemc | Linux numail 2.6.21-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 13 15:05:54 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:00.27 | petemc | fuck |
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| 16:00.35 | Gathond | downhillgames: perhaps, if mozilla or someone else has an apt repository with it, |
| 16:00.37 | azeem | !iceweasel |
| 16:00.37 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 16:00.38 | downhillgames | only installs free plugins or something |
| 16:00.41 | downhillgames | gangsterlicious; good call |
| 16:00.45 | Gathond | downhillgames: its not in the official debian repository |
| 16:00.47 | azeem | downhillgames: you're mistaken |
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| 16:01.08 | downhillgames | it says they forked |
| 16:01.10 | downhillgames | are you stupid? |
| 16:01.12 | Gathond | downhillgames: iceweasel is firefox without the artwork |
| 16:01.16 | downhillgames | means it's 2 different projects. |
| 16:01.19 | azeem | downhillgames: they forked the name, ok? |
| 16:01.21 | Gathond | because the artwork and firefox name is non free |
| 16:01.24 | Ronin | downhillgames: it is firefox |
| 16:01.31 | downhillgames | fine |
| 16:01.35 | azeem | downhillgames: it's not like the codebase isn't 99.9999% the same |
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| 16:01.39 | azeem | except for the name |
| 16:01.51 | Gathond | downhillgames: It's not as much forkes as its a patchset afaik |
| 16:01.53 | UpgradeBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:01.58 | downhillgames | Gathond; hehe |
| 16:01.59 | Ronin | at least now its the same, who knows what will happen by next month |
| 16:02.02 | azeem | downhillgames: maybe you're thinking about the FSF fork, which is not what is in Debian |
| 16:02.04 | annoia | Is sun java in the debian repositories? |
| 16:02.08 | Gathond | annoia: my opera also usually crashes when running java |
| 16:02.09 | azeem | annoia: yes |
| 16:02.15 | Gathond | annoia: in SID at least |
| 16:02.18 | cahoot | UpgradeBoy, gconf-editor |
| 16:02.24 | UpgradeBoy | cahoot: thx |
| 16:02.24 | downhillgames | azeem; is that the one what will only install FOSS plugins and what not? |
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| 16:02.26 | azeem | it's also in etch |
| 16:02.33 | azeem | downhillgames: I don't know, ask the FSF |
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| 16:02.48 | downhillgames | whatever |
| 16:02.51 | azeem | yeah |
| 16:02.58 | downhillgames | thank you for the answer |
| 16:03.07 | azeem | thank you for calling me stupid |
| 16:03.10 | downhillgames | sorry... debian bothers me about some things i think are 100% ridiculous. |
| 16:03.21 | Ronin | downhillgames: join the club :) |
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| 16:03.25 | downhillgames | i asked with implication, if that makes you feel any better :) |
| 16:03.26 | Howitzer | Hiya all |
| 16:03.28 | azeem | downhillgames: well, tell that to Mozilla Corp. |
| 16:03.42 | andrewtaylor_ | is there a quick way to apt-get remove any packages above 'required' priority? |
| 16:03.47 | azeem | it wasn't Debian's idea to rename Firefox |
| 16:03.58 | downhillgames | what's up with runlevel 2 as default, anyway |
| 16:04.14 | petemc | downhillgames: what should it be? |
| 16:04.15 | azeem | downhillgames: what do you think is up with it? |
| 16:04.43 | UpgradeBoy | cahoot: you don't know where in gconf-editor to stop them appearing on the desktop? Can't spot the right option. |
| 16:04.53 | downhillgames | hey, i'm just glad Debian is around for my server needs :) |
| 16:04.57 | downhillgames | couldn't live without it, really |
| 16:05.32 | vlt | Hello. I want to add a usb printer to CUPS. Where can I get its DeviceURI (i. e. hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_3055?serial=00CNCJ267658 on another machine) from? |
| 16:05.42 | lordrich | can anybody suggest why network-manager-gnome is no longer in sid? |
| 16:05.59 | xand | vlt: you dont need a uri if you're using usb |
| 16:06.33 | cahoot | UpgradeBoy, nautilus->desktop->volumes (I suppose) |
| 16:06.41 | vlt | xand: Don't need it? How else can I access the printer then? |
| 16:06.47 | jduggan_ | dooodoooodoo |
| 16:07.02 | cahoot | UpgradeBoy, apps->nautilus->desktop->volumes |
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| 16:07.38 | xand | vlt: uris are only used for network printers |
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| 16:08.53 | vlt | xand: On my Debian Sarge I got two USB printers connected. I added both using CUPS's web interface and they appear in printers.conf as "DeviceURI hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_3055?serial=00CNCJ267658" and "DeviceURI hp:/usb/hp_LaserJet_3030?serial=00CNBF074591" |
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| 16:09.15 | vlt | xand: How else can I add them to CUPS? |
| 16:09.30 | UpgradeBoy | cahoot: thats it. thanks. |
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| 16:09.46 | Gathond | annoia: sorry, I can't send private messages as I've not registred, if you want you can find me the usual places |
| 16:10.22 | xand | vlt: it should appear in the Device: dropdown list |
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| 16:10.50 | xand | vlt: I don't see how you'd enter a uri in the web interface unless it's a network printer... there's no option to |
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| 16:11.32 | vlt | xand: I want to add it manually to printers.conf because there are problems with the web interface. |
| 16:11.43 | Rhoruns__ | does anyone here have WC3 ? i need to test to see if my server works |
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| 16:12.10 | xand | well.. don't know |
| 16:12.22 | vlt | xand: The web interface does recognize the printer and lets me select a driver but then I get an error page "You must access this page using the URL https://192.168.1.216:631/admin." -- but no response from https://... |
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| 16:14.10 | vlt | Does anyone know how to get the DeviceURI of an HP usb printer? |
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| 16:15.02 | azeem | vlt: that means cups is malconfigured |
| 16:15.06 | azeem | vlt: or your network |
| 16:16.04 | bonez39 | edistar: well, I use a few different .pdf forms..or they ostensibly forms.. the Document Properties for these .pdf's indicate that Filling of Form Fields: Allowed..... I should be able to fill them in online...but I can't, not with acroread, not with Acrobat on xp...no where...despite the properties indicating I should be able to |
| 16:16.10 | nvz | ugh I got another damn call from this same client about "Page cannot be displayed errors" its about time I call their fucking ISP they are suppose to have broadband internet that is always on, and I know using etch with network manager, its not my damn problem |
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| 16:19.18 | bonez39 | edistar: ?? |
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| 16:21.48 | chrisz2 | http://palagyik.act4trees.com/ |
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| 16:28.11 | Slap_Stick | hey, i was just wondering, if i have LDAP and want to configure my servers to auth against LDAP for ssh logins, why do i have to edit the nsswitch.conf? I thought that was for NIS which isn't used anymore? |
| 16:29.03 | Slap_Stick | well not not used anymore but is old and not very often used |
| 16:30.03 | Slap_Stick | ok ignore me |
| 16:30.06 | Slap_Stick | it's a nis replacement duh! |
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| 16:32.06 | edistar | bonez39: with acrobat reader? |
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| 16:36.12 | Bluechip | is there a tool which will print out a tree of all the dependancies for a given package? |
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| 16:40.26 | Bluechip | !help |
| 16:40.32 | Bluechip | !debhelper |
| 16:40.34 | dpkg | methinks debhelper is a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
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| 16:41.18 | L0cKn | 'sera all |
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| 16:41.58 | geo-rge | sera sera yogi bera? |
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| 16:43.11 | RainCT | what's the command to rebuild a package if only the debian/ dir has changed? |
| 16:43.46 | geo-rge | RainCT: debian/rules clean |
| 16:43.50 | geo-rge | RainCT: debian/rules build |
| 16:43.54 | geo-rge | RainCT: debian/rules binary |
| 16:44.01 | geo-rge | (then look in .._ |
| 16:44.03 | geo-rge | err |
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| 16:44.05 | geo-rge | (then look in ..) |
| 16:44.29 | RainCT | wasn't there a way to do it with a single command? |
| 16:44.56 | geo-rge | possibly... but I invoke rules file when I do a package build |
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| 16:45.11 | RainCT | ok, thanks |
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| 16:49.13 | RainCT | can somebody there please try to build a package on adm64 or powerpc? |
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| 16:50.16 | fsmunoz | Greetings gents |
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| 16:53.11 | fsmunoz | Small question: is anyone running compiz/fusion/beryl with the free radeon driver without problems? I have a Mobility 9000 (not supported by latest fglrx I think) and while it "works" there is a vert strange problem in appearance, it seems the resolution used by compiz is 1024x768 while the screnn is at 1400, and 1/3 of the screen gets filled with garbage. Tried every standard fix out there, and nothing :/ |
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| 16:54.01 | dante_2core | hey there |
| 16:54.37 | dante_2core | a question |
| 16:54.37 | dante_2core | is there something like "write" but across a local network? |
| 16:54.57 | xand | dante_2core: yes, irc ;) |
| 16:55.02 | dante_2core | rofl |
| 16:55.15 | dante_2core | xand, thank you! :D but i thought of something a lot more basic |
| 16:55.20 | dante_2core | without server or anything |
| 16:55.30 | dante_2core | just like the command "write" to communicate with other users |
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| 16:55.35 | fsmunoz | dante_2core: zephyr |
| 16:55.39 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 16:55.40 | dante_2core | ok |
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| 16:55.52 | fsmunoz | dante_2core: it has a server though |
| 16:55.55 | dante_2core | ah, and fsmunoz, is it cmdline? |
| 16:56.00 | fsmunoz | dante_2core: yes |
| 16:56.04 | fsmunoz | dante_2core: and xlib also |
| 16:56.07 | dante_2core | i need something for the terminal without server :( |
| 16:56.10 | r251 | I have a problem win the debian-40r1-i386-businesscard, during instalation it tell me that can't find a kernel in the repository, any suggestion? |
| 16:56.16 | dante_2core | if there's nothing around, i'll write some script |
| 16:56.18 | fsmunoz | dante_2core: it's one of the oldest systems out there, from MIT I think... |
| 16:56.21 | dante_2core | with netcat & friends |
| 16:56.34 | dante_2core | zephyr not found as package? |
| 16:56.38 | spheard | If I have loads of servers accessable thru a head box via ssh, is there an easy way to connect to the slaves? |
| 16:56.47 | fsmunoz | dante_2core: apt-cache search zephyr |
| 16:57.09 | dante_2core | thank you |
| 16:57.13 | dante_2core | afk for a moment |
| 16:57.29 | fsmunoz | k |
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| 16:57.46 | Quintin | Hey, I need a form letter for penetration testing. anyone have one? google isn't helping |
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| 16:59.11 | doub_ | hi there |
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| 17:00.05 | en1gma | does anyone know how to create "bridges" as i could really use some help here |
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| 17:00.20 | en1gma | i got a guide up but have some questions about certain things in the guide |
| 17:00.23 | SeCrEt | en1gma ca do ti mer |
| 17:00.24 | SeCrEt | ? |
| 17:00.32 | en1gma | what |
| 17:00.45 | SeCrEt | nothing |
| 17:00.46 | SeCrEt | :P |
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| 17:01.05 | en1gma | does anyone have some time to help me on this "for the love of god" |
| 17:01.15 | en1gma | jesus for 3 days i been on this |
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| 17:01.40 | en1gma | ##netwoking and #iptables are useless |
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| 17:01.46 | thelostbutler | en1gma: url to the guide ? |
| 17:01.51 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
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| 17:01.59 | en1gma | http://linux-net.osdl.org/index.php/Bridge |
| 17:02.29 | explody | what is your question |
| 17:02.32 | bonez39 | edistar: yes, with acrobat reader....the most current version too....just updated |
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| 17:03.02 | en1gma | explody you talking to me? |
| 17:03.09 | bonez39 | edistar: I am thinking that these so called 'forms' are really just .pdf image files without any editable fill in form boxes....that otherwise, this would work |
| 17:03.46 | en1gma | thelostbutler you know bridging pretty well? |
| 17:03.47 | explody | en1gma: yes |
| 17:04.21 | dante_2core | re |
| 17:04.24 | kenjy | guys some one here use awstats? |
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| 17:04.44 | en1gma | ok here is my first question on the guide....what is the topology that they are using? i know there are bridgin eth0 and eth1 but if they are doing that how are they getting out to the externel net....ex: eth0 = wan and eth1 = lan |
| 17:05.02 | thelostbutler | en1gma: no, i do not. i was interested in reading what was already out there. sorry :( |
| 17:05.18 | en1gma | thelostbutler k |
| 17:05.30 | en1gma | explody i just dont get what they are trying to accomplish |
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| 17:05.49 | explody | I'm reading it, one sec |
| 17:06.14 | explody | better question might be what are _you_ trying to accomplish? |
| 17:06.21 | en1gma | see my system has 5nics (1 for wan) and (4 for lan) i want it to act just like a regular store bought router... |
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| 17:06.32 | explody | no sweat |
| 17:06.37 | en1gma | where the 4 lan nics are on same network |
| 17:06.40 | explody | yep |
| 17:06.45 | en1gma | right now they all belong to seperate netwoks |
| 17:06.56 | en1gma | but it is working but most likely not for internal lan |
| 17:07.17 | zinx | en1gma: a regular store bought one uses masquerading, dhcp, and an internal (LAN-side) network |
| 17:07.20 | explody | en1gma: this is really quite easy, you can do it all inside /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:07.35 | explody | en1gma: the bridging part of course, not the firewalling |
| 17:07.44 | zinx | en1gma: a regular store-bought switch/hub, however, acts different |
| 17:07.54 | en1gma | explody would i use ebtables or iptables for the firewall |
| 17:08.14 | en1gma | with the way you suggested all in the /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 17:08.16 | explody | en1gma: iptables |
| 17:08.19 | en1gma | sweet |
| 17:08.30 | gustavo | can someone help me? im using postfix + maildrop and created a junkmail folder... but my mail client doesnt sync with it |
| 17:08.32 | kenjy | guys some one here use awstats? |
| 17:08.35 | explody | you will likely not be applying rules to your bridged interface |
| 17:08.39 | en1gma | you want me to post my netstat -r and ipconfig -a on pastebin.ca |
| 17:08.43 | explody | nope |
| 17:08.56 | SerajewelKS | how does ld look for libraries when using for example -lvorbisfile to gcc? |
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| 17:09.02 | en1gma | yea the eth1 (my external lan which is dhcp) i think i want to leave alone |
| 17:09.11 | SerajewelKS | i have libvorbisfile.so.3, is this not enough? must i symlink? |
| 17:09.16 | en1gma | not external lan but external WAN |
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| 17:09.43 | p-a-v | has anyone had this experience? I did 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude full-upgrade'. When I press the ? key, it exits with a segmentation fault. exit code is 139.. |
| 17:09.50 | p-a-v | I use Sid |
| 17:10.21 | SerajewelKS | p-a-v: have you checked the BTS? |
| 17:10.52 | en1gma | explody if you know a good guide for my situation i do not mind reading at all |
| 17:10.56 | explody | en1gma: which interface is which for you again? eth1 is WAN, what are the other interfaces? |
| 17:11.05 | SerajewelKS | !dbugs 434860 |
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| 17:11.08 | dpkg | #434860:I[aptitude] aptitude: segfaults when trying to find out what commands are available; Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:45:03 UTC |
| 17:11.08 | en1gma | eth2-eth5 = lan |
| 17:11.11 | en1gma | eth1 = wan |
| 17:11.12 | explody | en1gma: k |
| 17:11.12 | SerajewelKS | p-a-v: ^^^ |
| 17:11.48 | en1gma | eth2-5 are currently set as static but running a dhcpd server to hand ips out to anything that connects to em |
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| 17:11.59 | en1gma | i also currently have a bind9 server |
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| 17:13.57 | en1gma | eth1 = dhcpc for wan && eth2-eth5 = static but in order for them to issue ip`s and dns`s to anything that connects to em i have that set too |
| 17:14.33 | explody | en1gma: take a look at this: http://pastebin.ca/684264 |
| 17:14.38 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 17:14.51 | p-a-v | SerajewelKS: just found it.. bug #434860 |
| 17:15.05 | Ronin | heh p-a-v |
| 17:15.53 | en1gma | explody it can NOT be that simple can it :) |
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| 17:16.02 | explody | to set up the bridge it can |
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| 17:16.13 | explody | alter the IPs to suit your internal LAN |
| 17:16.15 | SerajewelKS | p-a-v: uhm yes, i just told you that too |
| 17:16.15 | en1gma | well simple if you know what your doign |
| 17:16.19 | BlackMagik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.38 | en1gma | explody and special settings i would need to set for the firewall? |
| 17:17.01 | en1gma | or dhcp or dns |
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| 17:17.02 | p-a-v | SerajewelKS: only I was not listening.. until Ronin laughed |
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| 17:17.35 | explody | no, once you turn on the bridge like that, br0 is like any other interface, you can run services or whatever for your internal network |
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| 17:17.54 | benjamindees | you treat the bridge as a single interface |
| 17:18.25 | en1gma | but it will still need portforwading and masquerading right |
| 17:18.32 | explody | yes |
| 17:18.39 | explody | well you might need prot forwarding |
| 17:18.42 | explody | port* |
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| 17:19.10 | _uplinkd_ | i've got a "04:03.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS" and am using alsa, but the audio is coming out very distorted where would you all start with troubleshooting? |
| 17:19.10 | en1gma | in the firewall i would change the script to br0 though right? |
| 17:19.15 | explody | it's good to learn iptables commands, but in the interest of expediency I'd recommend some iptables tool like shorewall |
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| 17:19.25 | Eulex | _uplinkd_, lower the volumes? |
| 17:19.45 | explody | en1gma: http://www.shorewall.net/SimpleBridge.html |
| 17:19.58 | _uplinkd_ | Eulex: the noise level is very high as well. and the volume is very low but distorted. |
| 17:19.58 | en1gma | well i know a little about iptables from playing with it over the years just wasnt sure if i can use br0 as an -i interface |
| 17:20.06 | explody | yes |
| 17:20.09 | en1gma | sweet |
| 17:20.13 | en1gma | ok thnx alot man |
| 17:20.17 | en1gma | cant wait to try this |
| 17:20.27 | explody | you cannot, however, filter between bridge ports without ebtables I believe |
| 17:20.35 | Eulex | _uplinkd_, I'd experiment with the different controls alsa gives you. there's not just volume settings. |
| 17:20.38 | explody | but that should not matter in your case |
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| 17:20.45 | JordiGH | Damnit. I just spectacularly dropped my Debian dvds and probably scratched them. :-( How can I do a low-level disk check? |
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| 17:21.04 | explody | JordiGH: just put it in the drive and see if it works |
| 17:21.16 | en1gma | explody in that /etc/network/intefaces on your pastebin i dont see a command that actually creates the br0 |
| 17:21.16 | benjamindees | md5sum /dev/dvd |
| 17:21.21 | en1gma | do i need to create one first |
| 17:21.31 | explody | en1gma: the debian network scripts do it for you |
| 17:21.43 | abrotman | there's bridging howto |
| 17:22.01 | JordiGH | explody: Uh, it works, but probably part of it is still scratched. |
| 17:22.03 | en1gma | abortman im following that guide but its not a good one for my setup |
| 17:22.13 | JordiGH | I'm not seeing a fsck.iso9960 or whatever... |
| 17:22.23 | explody | JordiGH: that's not relevant |
| 17:22.44 | en1gma | abortman this guide http://linux-net.osdl.org/index.php/Bridge is not a good one for me if thats the one your thinking of |
| 17:22.53 | JordiGH | explody: What isn't relevant to what? Oh, never mind. |
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| 17:23.17 | abrotman | en1gma: how is it not? |
| 17:23.18 | explody | you're talking scratched CDs, that has no efect on the data contained therein |
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| 17:23.32 | explody | aside from possibly making the media unreadable |
| 17:23.41 | Codenut | hey gang |
| 17:23.42 | explody | if it mounts and you can read the contents, it's fine |
| 17:23.49 | JordiGH | explody: Uh, you mean I can drag a nail across dvds and the data contained therein will still be ok? |
| 17:23.53 | en1gma | abrotman i have 5nics and am trying to create a router by bridging eth2-eth5 and eth1 is my ext wan |
| 17:24.02 | explody | I didn't say that |
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| 17:24.06 | explody | aside from possibly making the media unreadable <= |
| 17:24.11 | edistar | JordiGH: depends on how hard and which side |
| 17:24.27 | explody | media != filesystem |
| 17:24.40 | xingu | en1gma: /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz <-- you can do it with specific interfaces verbs designed for the job. |
| 17:24.44 | en1gma | abortman in that guide it starts with 2 nics they bridge (eth0 and eth1) and i cant even figure you why they are bridging them....there is no topology to even show what they want to do |
| 17:25.08 | abrotman | en1gma: then you don't understand what a bridge is |
| 17:25.10 | en1gma | xingu thnx will rem that |
| 17:25.13 | amee2k | is there a tool to create an audio cd image (i.e. no direct burning) from wave files? |
| 17:25.14 | lindenle | anyone know how to make pretty colors in csh prompt |
| 17:25.48 | en1gma | if you dont understand what a bridge is...and continue to follow that "guide" explaining what one is....well lets just say its not a good thing |
| 17:25.53 | explody | lindenle: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html |
| 17:26.05 | JordiGH | explody: So stop beating around the bush. I wanna see if my CD is ok. An md5sum should do. |
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| 17:26.13 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.14 | abrotman | en1gma: so instead you come here and ask us to set it up for you ? |
| 17:26.18 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.19 | Codenut | I have been searching for a CLUI chat program for just a shell prompt, I can't even get emacs anywhere. |
| 17:26.30 | abrotman | irssi |
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| 17:26.41 | explody | JordiGH: so will just trying to use the DVD |
| 17:26.41 | Ronin | seconded irssi |
| 17:26.46 | benjamindees | a bridge is simply two ethernet interfaces joined at the mac layer, so that from the ip layer they look like a single nic |
| 17:26.57 | Codenut | Ok, I will try to apt-get install irssi |
| 17:26.59 | en1gma | abortman if you been following my questions in here you would have seen this statemnet "[12:10] <en1gma> explody if you know a good guide for my situation i do not mind reading at all" |
| 17:27.01 | explody | lindenle: oh sorry, misread it |
| 17:27.03 | benjamindees | two or more |
| 17:27.09 | lindenle | explody: no worries. |
| 17:27.11 | abrotman | en1gma: but yet .. you're still here chatting :) |
| 17:27.32 | en1gma | but yet your still handing out crap that you dont even know what your talking bout |
| 17:27.36 | en1gma | like usual |
| 17:27.40 | explody | benjamindees: technically, one or more, though it's basically pointless with only one |
| 17:27.50 | abrotman | en1gma: i have bridged interfaces .. nice attempt at a troll though |
| 17:27.58 | en1gma | you been trolling son |
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| 17:28.03 | benjamindees | explody, that sounds implementations specific ;) |
| 17:28.05 | en1gma | saying lies left and right |
| 17:28.12 | abrotman | uhm no |
| 17:28.13 | explody | ok ok |
| 17:28.26 | JordiGH | explody: Not at first. I can probably read quite a bit of the DVD and I won't know until later if a part of the dvd is bad unless I attempt to read that. It's not like Linux will automatically attempt to read all of the dvd when I first put the thing in the drive. |
| 17:28.32 | en1gma | w/e |
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| 17:28.58 | en1gma | [12:26] <abrotman> en1gma: so instead you come here and ask us to set it up for you ? = a lie |
| 17:29.06 | abrotman | that's what i'm seeing |
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| 17:29.38 | en1gma | my conversation started with "questions about that guide" |
| 17:29.53 | explody | JordiGH: fair enough |
| 17:30.12 | en1gma | so you son are the troll |
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| 17:30.16 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:30.21 | Codenut | irssi has no installation candidate, but it is refered to by another package. So, how do I find the package it want for install? |
| 17:30.27 | abrotman | Codenut: irssi-text |
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| 17:30.53 | Codenut | thanks abrotman |
| 17:30.54 | en1gma | explody thnx...i gonna try that out now |
| 17:31.02 | explody | n |
| 17:31.03 | explody | p |
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| 17:31.20 | abrotman | Codenut: find it? you could have `apt-cache search irssi` to find the actual package |
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| 17:32.02 | explody | en1gma: and again, I suggest trying out shorewall. If nothing else, they have tons of examples with nice little drawings, some of which you may be able to adapt to your situation |
| 17:32.11 | en1gma | will do |
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| 17:33.37 | c_newbie | hi |
| 17:33.47 | c_newbie | how to make a raid 10 from software raid on debian? |
| 17:34.08 | c_newbie | any tutorial please? iv been browsing all the time and only got raid 0,1,4,5 only |
| 17:34.14 | c_newbie | no howto raid 10 |
| 17:34.31 | abrotman | you mean the swraid howto doesn't mention raid10 ? |
| 17:34.42 | c_newbie | yes |
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| 17:34.57 | c_newbie | i m looking for debian etch howto make *fake*raid 10 |
| 17:35.20 | benjamindees | ...fake |
| 17:35.33 | c_newbie | :) dmadm or somethin |
| 17:35.50 | abrotman | mdadm |
| 17:36.25 | nvz | excuse me mdadm, your disk is showing... |
| 17:36.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 17:36.34 | c_newbie | anyone please? :( |
| 17:36.43 | Codenut | abrotman it is now set up I am off to play. tnx |
| 17:37.03 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 17:37.09 | Codenut | ttfn |
| 17:37.21 | abrotman | c_newbie: did you find anything in google for swraid raid10 ? |
| 17:37.27 | c_newbie | nope |
| 17:37.32 | c_newbie | only raid 0,1,4,5 |
| 17:37.55 | abrotman | 4? |
| 17:37.55 | benjamindees | this should be simple; make a raid 0; then make a raid 1; voila, raid 10 |
| 17:38.07 | abrotman | benjamindees: but is there a more direct way ? |
| 17:38.18 | abrotman | that seems valid .. but i'd think there'd be an easier way |
| 17:38.37 | nvz | wikipedia explains this quite nicely |
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| 17:39.06 | nvz | not so much the actual setup but what the raid types are and their pros/cons..etc |
| 17:39.32 | nvz | raid10 is raid1+0 as benjamindees says |
| 17:39.33 | abrotman | i don't think that's what he's after |
| 17:39.53 | abrotman | and IIRC .. there's a slight difference between 1+0 and 10 |
| 17:40.11 | c_newbie | i dont think 1+0 is 10 |
| 17:40.12 | nvz | yeah seems to be + |
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| 17:40.29 | cydork | abrotman: nope 10 is 1+0 which is a nested raid. |
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| 17:40.55 | masus | hi all , i have no compile a new kernel only install debian .. is there a default kernel folder ??? |
| 17:40.57 | nvz | tomayto, tomahto |
| 17:41.41 | nvz | or as I usually say, tomato, potato.. just to make people wonder wtf it means |
| 17:42.02 | masus | i want to install path-o-matic |
| 17:42.03 | masus | :S |
| 17:42.20 | nvz | I want to install bacon-cheesburger |
| 17:42.26 | nvz | I'm hungry |
| 17:42.28 | c_newbie | so i start to format the 1st hardrive and make it raid 1 with 2nd? |
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| 17:43.03 | masus | "# KERNEL_DIR=<<where-you-built-your-kernel>> ./runme base" |
| 17:43.13 | masus | is there a default kernel dir |
| 17:43.13 | masus | ? |
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| 17:43.28 | masus | without compiling a new kernel |
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| 17:43.59 | masus | anyone know ? |
| 17:44.00 | nvz | masus: if you didn't build a kernel and need kernel headers, then you need to install a linux-headers package for your running kernel version |
| 17:44.21 | masus | i'll see |
| 17:44.23 | masus | one mom |
| 17:44.25 | nvz | I don't know wtf a path-o-matic is though |
| 17:44.32 | Codenut | thanks all for the help |
| 17:44.34 | nvz | sounds more like a patch than a module |
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| 17:44.56 | masus | it's an patch for iptables |
| 17:44.58 | nvz | which means you would need source, and have to recompile if its a kernel patch |
| 17:45.05 | benjamindees | c_newbie, probably depends on how many drives you have total http://aput.net/~jheiss/raid10/ |
| 17:45.16 | c_newbie | i got 4 |
| 17:45.16 | masus | http://www.netfilter.org/ |
| 17:45.29 | masus | yes it's a kernel patch |
| 17:45.35 | nvz | masus: well if its a patch, you are gonna need to fetch some kernel source and recompile your kernel |
| 17:45.49 | masus | "linux-headers-2.6.18-5-all - All header files for Linux 2.6.18" correct ??? |
| 17:46.13 | nvz | masus: headers are only going to help for compiling a module, you want to patch the kernel. you need sources, then have to patch and compile them |
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| 17:46.31 | c_newbie | benjamindees: how to create it? |
| 17:46.32 | c_newbie | :( |
| 17:46.33 | nvz | masus: you are gonna wanna familiarize with kernel-package build proceedures |
| 17:46.39 | masus | :) |
| 17:47.05 | c_newbie | hd1 = hd2 as raid1 1st? |
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| 17:47.58 | benjamindees | c_newbie, so do mirroring first, raid 1 |
| 17:48.03 | masus | why there is no default kernel with the installation :S |
| 17:48.06 | masus | default |
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| 17:48.22 | masus | terrible :S |
| 17:48.28 | masus | :| |
| 17:48.43 | cydork | masus: no one needs it. and if they need it they can install it easily. |
| 17:49.06 | masus | but i cant :D |
| 17:49.15 | abrotman | cydork: i really thought there was a subtle difference |
| 17:49.18 | c_newbie | ok |
| 17:49.19 | c_newbie | thanks |
| 17:49.34 | masus | i have try it but it my server goes not on |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | cydork: |
| 17:49.59 | abrotman | cydork: http://www.robichaux.net/blog/2005/07/raid10_vs_raid0.php |
| 17:50.02 | cydork | abrotman: nope there is none IIRC. |
| 17:50.31 | masus | i need only a module "ROUTE" for iptables , thats all |
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| 17:50.39 | masus | and for this i have to build a kernel |
| 17:50.47 | masus | ;( |
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| 17:51.05 | abrotman | cydork: see the fancy images! |
| 17:51.11 | cydork | abrotman: checking. |
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| 17:51.54 | nvz | ah you mean patch-o-matic |
| 17:52.03 | masus | yes yes |
| 17:52.03 | abrotman | cydork: i'm not sure how much it really matters .. but there does seem to be a difference |
| 17:52.16 | nvz | !patch-o-matic |
| 17:52.17 | dpkg | methinks patch-o-matic is within the iptables sources, there are a bunch of patches that you can apply to your 2.4.x kernel. They're not guaranteed to apply cleanly, or even work if they do, but it *does* allow things like proper DCC masquerading, "dropped" table (my favorite), and other goodies :) Oh, it's in iptables-<version>/patch-o-matic/ |
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| 17:52.54 | masus | ok and how to install |
| 17:52.59 | masus | i need the kernel right ? |
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| 17:53.29 | nvz | idk I still don't understand wtf it is.. and netfilter.org is VAGUE.. its got a single sentance response to what it is that makes no sense to me |
| 17:53.34 | cydork | abrotman: no i don't think so, in 0+1 just the nesting is different. |
| 17:53.40 | nvz | for all I know its already in your kernel |
| 17:53.42 | abrotman | cydork: still different! |
| 17:54.00 | masus | realy :| |
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| 17:54.40 | masus | how to see if is already in the kernel |
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| 17:54.49 | iT|Freel | Hi @ all |
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| 17:55.00 | masus | hi |
| 17:55.18 | cydork | !screw abrotman |
| 17:55.19 | iT|Freel | i am not able to mount my external usb device |
| 17:55.22 | masus | linux-headers are installed |
| 17:55.23 | iT|Freel | dmesg says |
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| 17:55.25 | iT|Freel | usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 |
| 17:55.32 | iT|Freel | uba: device 4 capacity nsec 976773168 bsize 512 |
| 17:55.32 | cydork | dpkg: DIE DIE! |
| 17:55.38 | iT|Freel | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.29 | masus | nvz: http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/iptables-ROUTE-ftopict354118.html please take a look |
| 17:56.32 | gowrav | gota go bye |
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| 17:58.18 | abrotman | cydork: see .. even dpkg knows i'm right :) |
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| 17:58.41 | abrotman | iT|Freel: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 18:00.15 | abrotman | sure is! |
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| 18:00.40 | cydork | bahh.. |
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| 18:02.04 | cloakable | hehe |
| 18:02.19 | cloakable | cydork: expensive gift :P |
| 18:02.48 | cydork | cloakable: who said anything about buying? ;) |
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| 18:03.09 | cloakable | cydork: The BSA :P |
| 18:03.41 | nvz | masus: maybe this will help http://fxp0.org.ua/2007/jul/29/building-kernel-ipset-support-debian-way/ |
| 18:03.50 | cydork | cloakable: as if i care :P |
| 18:04.04 | cloakable | cydork: hehe |
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| 18:04.14 | iT|Freel | anyone on my uba problem? |
| 18:04.28 | nvz | masus: you will need kernel-package and build-essential installed and you will want to change the version numbers for whatever kernel version you are using |
| 18:05.09 | masus | ok :S |
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| 18:06.45 | masus | thanks nvz |
| 18:06.55 | masus | i think that will help |
| 18:07.15 | nvz | masus: no problem.. if that works we'll have to add that link into dpkg's database under the patch-o-matic factiod |
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| 18:10.00 | masus | ok i'll try first |
| 18:12.24 | abrotman | iT|Freel: i asked you a questions |
| 18:12.27 | abrotman | question |
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| 18:16.43 | iT|Freel | sorry abrotman i can't see it |
| 18:16.49 | abrotman | iT|Freel: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 18:16.54 | iT|Freel | no |
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| 18:18.11 | iT|Freel | our server hdd is full and i need to make some backups on this external hdd before deleting some data, but i can't because it is notmounting |
| 18:18.19 | johnadsfsdfdf | i need to setup a backup solution for a debian machine, does anyone have a suggested approach |
| 18:18.30 | abrotman | need more details johnadsfsdfdf |
| 18:18.38 | abrotman | iT|Freel: it's a standard usb HDD ? |
| 18:18.38 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: i use dirvish, backuppc is supposedly good too |
| 18:18.40 | c_newbie | what's the partions for raid 1? |
| 18:18.48 | johnadsfsdfdf | ive got a box in a dataceter, with two drives |
| 18:18.49 | iT|Freel | yes it is, s-ata |
| 18:18.50 | c_newbie | i got 73gbx4 |
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| 18:19.04 | Quintin | johnadsfsdfdf: 'not mounting'. what is the error message? |
| 18:19.06 | abrotman | iT|Freel: is it usb or sata ? |
| 18:19.08 | johnadsfsdfdf | i want to back up to the second drive... not RAID, and then i want to automate transferring that on the network |
| 18:19.15 | abrotman | Quintin: misfire ? |
| 18:19.24 | iT|Freel | it is a s-ata device in an external usb-case |
| 18:19.33 | iT|Freel | and it is connected by usb |
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| 18:19.38 | JordiGH | Hm, an md5sum on the .iso and an md5sum on the actual device (/dev/hda) should match, right? Oh, bother. I'll have to burn this dvd again. |
| 18:19.39 | c_newbie | help me :( |
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| 18:19.54 | Quintin | abrotman: lost me |
| 18:20.06 | abrotman | iT|Freel: paste your dmesg somewhere |
| 18:20.07 | abrotman | !paste |
| 18:20.07 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:20.14 | Quintin | http://daecom.biz/paste |
| 18:20.24 | benjamindees | JordiGH, they should match, but sometimes they don't for odd reasons; it's probably more important to note whether you got any read errors |
| 18:20.25 | abrotman | Quintin: johnadsfsdfdf wants a backup .. iT|Freel can't mount his usb drive |
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| 18:21.15 | iT|Freel | http://rafb.net/p/5UHJQ787.html |
| 18:21.17 | JordiGH | benjamindees: Hm, no read errors when doing the md5sum on /dev/hda. |
| 18:21.24 | iT|Freel | i disconnected it, and reconnected it |
| 18:21.31 | iT|Freel | that's my dmesg output |
| 18:21.43 | benjamindees | JordiGH, dd if=/dev/dvd bs=1 count=<sizeofiso> |md5sum may get better results |
| 18:21.45 | Quintin | abrotman: oh |
| 18:22.05 | Quintin | What is the backup program that lets you make images of partitions to files and gzip or bzip them? |
| 18:22.14 | Quintin | I thought it was on my backtrack CD.. I guess I need sysrescuecd.. crap |
| 18:23.11 | iT|Freel | does it make sense for u abrotman? |
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| 18:23.32 | abrotman | iT|Freel: and what filesystem is on it? is there data on there currently that you want ? |
| 18:23.41 | iT|Freel | nope |
| 18:23.53 | iT|Freel | it can be formated or anything, doesn't matter |
| 18:23.58 | iT|Freel | i just need the space |
| 18:24.12 | abrotman | and the system where you'll be retrieving from ? |
| 18:24.16 | abrotman | windows? another linux box? |
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| 18:24.18 | JordiGH | benjamindees: What's the output of dd if you don't specify one? stdout? |
| 18:24.26 | iT|Freel | the same linux box |
| 18:24.31 | abrotman | oh okay ... |
| 18:24.33 | benjamindees | JordiGH, or to make it go faster you can increase bs to 512 and decrease count accordingly; yes stdout |
| 18:24.39 | abrotman | well .. you can format it ext3 or vfat i suppose .. |
| 18:24.50 | iT|Freel | i would prefer ext3 |
| 18:25.04 | iT|Freel | but i can't do that, because i can't adress the device |
| 18:25.04 | abrotman | so fdisk the drive .. then create a filesystem |
| 18:25.14 | abrotman | no .. it says it doesn't know what the partition table is .. |
| 18:25.22 | iT|Freel | and how can i adress the device? |
| 18:25.29 | iT|Freel | ./dev/... |
| 18:25.32 | abrotman | iT|Freel: as root .. 'fdisk -l /dev/uba` ... does it say anything ? |
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| 18:25.51 | iT|Freel | noüe |
| 18:25.53 | iT|Freel | nope^^ |
| 18:25.57 | iT|Freel | i tried that before |
| 18:26.04 | barnydan | Anyone in here farmiliar with qdvdauthor? I keep getting errors when I try to make my DVD with it. |
| 18:26.05 | abrotman | does it give an error ? |
| 18:26.19 | iT|Freel | no, no output at all |
| 18:26.34 | explody | iT|Freel: and what does "fdisk /dev/uba" give you? |
| 18:26.50 | iT|Freel | 'can't open /dev/uba' |
| 18:27.02 | fastputty | ok a good question for good networker, what is the different with VPN and VLAN |
| 18:27.13 | abrotman | fastputty: #networking |
| 18:27.22 | explody | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Private_Network |
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| 18:27.29 | explody | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_LAN |
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| 18:27.47 | johnadsfsdfdf | anyone have any pointers on using rsync for backing up a machine |
| 18:28.06 | Quintin | barnydan: I've used it once, I think. or I used deeveedee . not sure |
| 18:28.09 | pickcoder | use and exclusing file |
| 18:28.10 | iT|Freel | ls -la /dev | grep uba doesn't show anything as well |
| 18:28.18 | benjamindees | VLAN is at the mac layer; VPN is at the IP layer |
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| 18:28.20 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: the two applications i recommended to you make it very easy |
| 18:28.21 | Quintin | fastputty: /join #networking |
| 18:28.24 | pickcoder | don't backup /dev /proc |
| 18:28.28 | abrotman | iT|Freel: lsusb show it ? |
| 18:28.33 | pickcoder | s/and/an |
| 18:28.42 | explody | or /sys |
| 18:28.52 | iT|Freel | can't say that 4 sure abrotman |
| 18:28.57 | abrotman | try it |
| 18:29.11 | johnadsfsdfdf | oh thanks petemc, that message got lost in my irc history |
| 18:29.19 | iT|Freel | i did |
| 18:29.21 | iT|Freel | http://rafb.net/p/YUUN5C22.html |
| 18:29.29 | pickcoder | a VLAN is a virtual "network" of IP addresses grouped together for higher level routing functions |
| 18:29.31 | abrotman | lsusb -v |
| 18:29.33 | iT|Freel | but can't say if the device is there, too |
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| 18:29.56 | explody | pickcoder: vlans have nothing to do with IP |
| 18:29.57 | barnydan | Quintin qdvd generates a shell script that executes inthe command line using dvdauthor. The script gives me one error after another. I need someone to step me threw this and see if it can be fixed. I've used DeVeDe before and it just worked, but no menu's. |
| 18:30.10 | iT|Freel | i think this one it is: iProduct 2 JM20336 SATA, USB Combo |
| 18:30.14 | pickcoder | explody: w/e |
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| 18:30.22 | iT|Freel | seems like, doesn't it? |
| 18:30.22 | lrp | hello everybody |
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| 18:30.28 | abrotman | iT|Freel: sure ... |
| 18:30.32 | abrotman | but why isn't it working ... |
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| 18:30.45 | iT|Freel | that's why i am here ;) |
| 18:30.49 | lrp | can someone here tell me how can i configure apt to get all stufss from external mirror? |
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| 18:31.03 | explody | w/e nothing, vlans are layer2 |
| 18:31.03 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 18:31.03 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:31.05 | lrp | the apt-setup does not work here |
| 18:31.20 | pickcoder | so how do you select the second layer then? |
| 18:31.21 | pickcoder | MAC? |
| 18:31.22 | lrp | thanks |
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| 18:31.34 | lrp | i have other trouble to share but 1 thing first |
| 18:31.36 | abrotman | iT|Freel: do you have another usb drive you could try ? |
| 18:31.49 | iT|Freel | no not here, i am at work |
| 18:31.53 | iT|Freel | at home i have some... |
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| 18:31.57 | explody | what do you mean "select the second layer"? |
| 18:32.10 | lrp | now in my compputer the keyboard is not working ok , see th kay f4 is not working as edit in mc |
| 18:32.19 | abrotman | iT|Freel: does anyone there have a usb thumb drive you oculd try ? |
| 18:32.28 | iT|Freel | but it is important for me to solve it now, because the others won't be able to work 2morrow, otherwise |
| 18:32.43 | abrotman | iT|Freel: let's see how full your drive is .. `df -h` .. paste it |
| 18:32.45 | iT|Freel | i can look, one sec. please |
| 18:32.47 | lrp | is that anything to do with the keyboard config? |
| 18:33.03 | iT|Freel | the internal? |
| 18:33.06 | iT|Freel | 100% |
| 18:33.16 | iT|Freel | that's why i need the backup 2day |
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| 18:33.58 | abrotman | iT|Freel: i know you said it's full .. but i'm wondering which partitions .. and could something be deleted to make room |
| 18:34.14 | abrotman | like the guy the other day that had a 24GB syslog :) |
| 18:34.15 | iT|Freel | only /data is full |
| 18:34.19 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 18:34.28 | lrp | any ideas? |
| 18:34.28 | iT|Freel | t is a single partition |
| 18:34.49 | iT|Freel | no -.- |
| 18:34.56 | iT|Freel | . / is full too.... |
| 18:35.28 | Quintin | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb is ok way to clone a hard drive, yea? |
| 18:35.46 | explody | Quintin: yes, usually |
| 18:35.50 | abrotman | if they're the same size etc |
| 18:35.56 | explody | what he said |
| 18:36.17 | Quintin | Ok |
| 18:36.21 | Quintin | well, partimage only goes to files |
| 18:36.29 | Quintin | and ghost is shitting itself. can't read something or other |
| 18:36.34 | ahmets | selam arkadaţlar türk olan varmý aranýzda |
| 18:36.40 | Quintin | they're identical scuzzy disks, I think |
| 18:36.48 | explody | should be ok then |
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| 18:37.46 | explody | damn, linux needs something like topas from AIX |
| 18:37.49 | iT|Freel | oaky, now i have 2 gigs free on / |
| 18:37.53 | iT|Freel | does this help me? |
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| 18:39.38 | abrotman | iT|Freel: try to replug the drive again |
| 18:39.44 | abrotman | iT|Freel: paste the output of df -h |
| 18:39.44 | iT|Freel | already done |
| 18:40.24 | solemnwarning | Is there any software suitible for running a terminal server for use on a windows domain? |
| 18:40.25 | pickcoder | Quintin: trued using parted to copy it? |
| 18:40.29 | pickcoder | tried even |
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| 18:40.41 | abrotman | solemnwarning: eh ? |
| 18:40.42 | iT|Freel | http://rafb.net/p/I4juSG74.html |
| 18:40.47 | solemnwarning | Would it be best to use a windows terminal server program to run XP sessions? |
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| 18:41.06 | explody | solemnwarning: a lot more appropriate than debian, since debian is not windows |
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| 18:41.15 | abrotman | eh .. if his /dev/shm fills up .. can he create new devices in /dev/ ? |
| 18:41.26 | nitro4ce | hi. i plugged a pendrive and it was automatically mounted at /media/disk. it is not in /etc/fstab and i want to add it. how can i add it?.. i mean i want to know the /dev/something path i need to add. |
| 18:41.34 | explody | solemnwarning: if you mean a remote desktop _client_ then "rdesktop" in linux works fine |
| 18:41.49 | glasserc | What does the "new queue" mean? How can I follow the status of a package through the new queue? Can I download a .deb from the new queue without waiting for it to go through the process? |
| 18:41.57 | abrotman | iT|Freel: really .. 220GB and you can't delete anything? :) |
| 18:42.08 | abrotman | iT|Freel: this is a sarge box ? |
| 18:42.10 | iT|Freel | abrotman it says used 0 of shm |
| 18:42.15 | abrotman | glasserc: no |
| 18:42.19 | Rhoruns__ | why isn't my router picking up the hostname of my PC??? |
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| 18:42.22 | abrotman | !tell glasserc about inout |
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| 18:42.26 | cahoot | nitro4ce, you don't want the automount? |
| 18:42.30 | iT|Freel | no it is 3.0 |
| 18:42.31 | solemnwarning | explody: How does terminal server == remote desktop client? :\ |
| 18:42.34 | abrotman | iT|Freel: duh .. yes you're right |
| 18:42.38 | iT|Freel | or 3.1 *thinking* |
| 18:42.41 | Rhoruns__ | it shows the DHCP assigned IP, and the MAC, but not the hostname. |
| 18:42.47 | abrotman | iT|Freel: it's waht?! |
| 18:42.50 | glasserc | Thanks! |
| 18:42.50 | abrotman | 3.0 ? |
| 18:42.54 | abrotman | seriously |
| 18:42.55 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:43.04 | pickcoder | Rhoruns__: your router probably doesn't do DNS for you. add it to /etc/hosts |
| 18:43.09 | iT|Freel | it isn't my server |
| 18:43.09 | petemc | Rhoruns__: /etc/dhclient.conf , send hostname |
| 18:43.18 | abrotman | iT|Freel: you'll likely have to load some modules to get it to work |
| 18:43.19 | nitro4ce | cahoot: yes, but i want to mount in another path |
| 18:43.30 | iT|Freel | the admin is ill and it seems taht he didn't care about updates... |
| 18:43.30 | nitro4ce | cahoot: automatically |
| 18:43.31 | Rhoruns__ | it doesnt make sence though pickcoder, it showed up under Devices yestersay. |
| 18:43.32 | abrotman | iT|Freel: maybe try installing usbmgr or hotplug (i think those were the names) |
| 18:43.34 | explody | solemnwarning: it doesn't, that's why I said "if", mostly because your questions don't make a lot of sense. If you explain exactly what you want, I can try to tell you how you could do it. |
| 18:43.39 | Rhoruns__ | i could clearly see that it was picking up the hostname |
| 18:43.55 | abrotman | iT|Freel: make sure the sd_mod and usb_storage modules are being loaded |
| 18:43.58 | pickcoder | oh |
| 18:43.58 | solemnwarning | I want to setup a terminal server for use with 2x, running windows XP sessions |
| 18:44.07 | pickcoder | I'm thinking backwards |
| 18:44.08 | explody | solemnwarning: then you need to run windows |
| 18:44.14 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 18:44.26 | iT|Freel | usb_storage is loaded |
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| 18:44.30 | abrotman | solemnwarning: you could run it in qemu or xen or something |
| 18:44.48 | explody | solemnwarning: the only other option would be something like VMware ESX server, which is similar to what you're wanting |
| 18:45.11 | abrotman | iT|Freel: load the other one too .. .. then try to replug the device |
| 18:45.16 | pickcoder | Rhoruns__: petemc gave you the answer |
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| 18:45.27 | Rhoruns__ | i dont see that .conf in my /etc/ |
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| 18:45.31 | Rhoruns__ | hmm lol |
| 18:45.43 | iT|Freel | where is it located? |
| 18:45.49 | iT|Freel | so what do i have to tell insmod? |
| 18:46.07 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 18:46.35 | iT|Freel | FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. |
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| 18:46.54 | abrotman | iT|Freel: uname -a |
| 18:47.16 | iT|Freel | 2.6.11 #4 SMP Tue Jun 14 09:28:30 CEST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:47.18 | masus | nvz: the link was excelent |
| 18:47.30 | abrotman | iT|Freel: so you did compile your own kernel |
| 18:47.34 | abrotman | or someone did |
| 18:47.35 | masus | thank u so much |
| 18:47.43 | iT|Freel | i didn't... |
| 18:47.48 | pickcoder | iT|Freel: uname -r |
| 18:47.48 | iT|Freel | perhaps the other admin |
| 18:47.54 | Rhoruns__ | how do i find my dhclient.conf? |
| 18:47.57 | iT|Freel | but i don't think that he knows how to do that |
| 18:47.58 | abrotman | pickcoder: yes .. he did |
| 18:48.02 | abrotman | Rhoruns__: in /etc/ |
| 18:48.04 | iT|Freel | he is only calling himself admin |
| 18:48.07 | abrotman | iT|Freel: someone did ... |
| 18:48.08 | Rhoruns__ | it's not there. |
| 18:48.11 | abrotman | iT|Freel: cat /proc/version |
| 18:48.11 | pickcoder | Rhoruns__: are you using DHCP on the router to assign your IP? |
| 18:48.18 | Rhoruns__ | yes, pickcoder. |
| 18:48.26 | pickcoder | then it has to be somewhere |
| 18:48.30 | iT|Freel | Debian 20040401 |
| 18:48.39 | pickcoder | locate dhclient* |
| 18:48.43 | Rhoruns__ | k |
| 18:48.47 | pickcoder | meh |
| 18:48.49 | pickcoder | drop the * |
| 18:48.50 | abrotman | iT|Freel: should be more than that |
| 18:49.07 | abrotman | iT|Freel: regardless .. that's not a debian kernel .. i have no idea if the modules you need are even there |
| 18:49.12 | iT|Freel | Linux version 2.6.11 (root@server) (gcc-Version 3.3.3 (Debian 20040401)) #4 SMP Tue Jun 14 09:28:30 CEST 2005 |
| 18:49.14 | pickcoder | I think I need to go do something mindless. My brain is mush today |
| 18:49.23 | Rhoruns__ | ahh, it's ina folder dhcp3 |
| 18:49.58 | explody | pickcoder: boot windows ;) |
| 18:50.07 | pickcoder | mindless.. not mind numbing |
| 18:50.12 | explody | hahah touche |
| 18:50.22 | abrotman | pickcoder: help iT|Freel! |
| 18:50.48 | pickcoder | I'd rather feed both of the twins at once than sort out Woody problems |
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| 18:51.32 | Rhoruns__ | k, when i set the send hostname, how do i make the changes take effect? |
| 18:51.45 | loopde | is there software for linux to make ... flowcharts ? |
| 18:51.54 | yigal | does anyone know of console based rss reader that is equivalent to raggle or better? |
| 18:52.15 | iT|Freel | so no help anymore? |
| 18:52.16 | pickcoder | Rhoruns__: ifdown / ifup is the simplest |
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| 18:52.33 | yigal | iT|Freel: I just entered, what is your problem? |
| 18:52.45 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 18:53.06 | iT|Freel | sorry yigal can't see it |
| 18:53.20 | loopde | ooo draaw .. duh |
| 18:53.23 | iT|Freel | my problem is, taht i can't mount my usb storage |
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| 18:53.37 | yigal | iT|Freel: does lsusb show the device? |
| 18:53.41 | iT|Freel | yes |
| 18:53.49 | yigal | iT|Freel: have you already tried pmount? |
| 18:54.00 | iT|Freel | no, but i can't even adress the device |
| 18:54.07 | iT|Freel | because there is no /dev/uba |
| 18:54.19 | yigal | iT|Freel: it should be /dev/sd? |
| 18:54.28 | iT|Freel | one sec, i try |
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| 18:55.11 | chops | loopde: You could try graphviz and see if it does what you want |
| 18:55.17 | yigal | so no one knows of a better console based rss reader than raggle? |
| 18:57.07 | Rhoruns__ | what the heck...? |
| 18:57.13 | Rhoruns__ | ifup doesnt work |
| 18:57.25 | loopde | jk |
| 18:57.26 | loopde | k |
| 18:57.28 | abrotman | yigal: he's on a pretty old system .. running a non-debian kernel |
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| 18:58.03 | yigal | abrotman: no wonder, I won't be able to help him then. |
| 18:58.07 | asda | sorry somebody trip over the swtich cord |
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| 18:58.18 | Rhoruns__ | how do i get my connection working again? ifup doesnt work |
| 18:58.31 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 18:58.31 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 18:58.38 | yigal | Rhoruns__: have ifdown'ed yet :) |
| 18:58.43 | LordWolF | ok i did apt-get install ekg this came up |
| 18:58.57 | Rhoruns__ | yes, i already did, putty lost connection i did ifup -a, and putty can no longer connect |
| 18:59.17 | LordWolF | some packages could not be installed |
| 18:59.36 | yigal | Rhoruns__: if you are trying to ssh, you may want to restart ssh |
| 18:59.51 | Rhoruns__ | whats the ssh restart command? |
| 19:00.05 | yigal | Rhoruns__: invoke-rc.d ssh restart |
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| 19:00.17 | LordWolF | its saying im probably using a unstable distribution |
| 19:00.45 | rahul | LordWolF: which release are you using? |
| 19:00.45 | LordWolF | the cd that i dl was from debian.org |
| 19:00.50 | binfalse | sup? |
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| 19:00.53 | Rhoruns__ | restarting ssh does not work. |
| 19:01.17 | loopde | chops: graphiz looks pretty cool :) thanks |
| 19:01.20 | Rhoruns__ | great.. now my network is all screwed up. |
| 19:01.24 | LordWolF | 2.6.18-5-686 that? |
| 19:01.38 | rahul | LordWolF: that's linux, not debian |
| 19:01.42 | yigal | Rhoruns__: you are trying to connect some device to another via ssh? |
| 19:01.52 | rahul | I suppose that means etch... |
| 19:02.00 | LordWolF | i did a uname -a |
| 19:02.10 | rahul | LordWolF: exactly. linux version. |
| 19:02.17 | SpeedyG | LordWolF: thats your kernel version |
| 19:02.22 | rahul | what did you download? |
| 19:02.23 | Rhoruns__ | i'm trying to get my connection working again on my other PC... some guy JUST told me to use ifdown, and it totally screwed me over. |
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| 19:02.26 | binfalse | out of interest |
| 19:02.27 | pickcoder | LordWolF: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:02.42 | SpeedyG | Rhoruns__: were you working over ssh when you gave the ifdown command? :) |
| 19:02.48 | Rhoruns__ | yes, i was speedy. |
| 19:02.53 | yigal | Rhoruns__: use ifdown device && ifup device that is sound advice |
| 19:02.55 | SpeedyG | painful mistake that :) |
| 19:02.57 | petemc | Rhoruns__: maybe you should try and understand what you're doing then |
| 19:03.25 | Rhoruns__ | i knew what i was doing because you told me what to do. |
| 19:03.30 | Rhoruns__ | i can still use my pc |
| 19:03.32 | Rhoruns__ | its right |
| 19:03.33 | petemc | no, you havent a clue |
| 19:03.36 | LordWolF | 4.0 |
| 19:03.42 | Rhoruns__ | i just cant use putty on my windows pc anymore |
| 19:03.42 | yigal | Rhoruns__: the device is listed in "ifconfig -a" ? |
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| 19:04.31 | Rhoruns__ | i see eth9 |
| 19:04.35 | Rhoruns__ | eth0** |
| 19:04.36 | Rhoruns__ | sorry. |
| 19:04.47 | Rhoruns__ | lo, and sit0 |
| 19:04.50 | yigal | Rhoruns__: how many eth? do you have? just eth0? |
| 19:04.56 | Rhoruns__ | yes, just eth0 |
| 19:05.21 | LordWolF | Debian 4.0 |
| 19:05.26 | LordWolF | thats what i have |
| 19:05.34 | mbroeker | is there any free and open cluster like the deathrow cluster available? |
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| 19:06.12 | yigal | Rhoruns__: ok, so try "#dhclient3 -r eth0" and then "#ifup eth0" |
| 19:06.17 | Rhoruns__ | kk] |
| 19:06.22 | DerKurt | hi, i removed ejabberd and deleted /etc/ejabberd/ and now preconfiguring the package fails, when i try to reinstall it. |
| 19:06.55 | yigal | DerKurt: you may need to purge the package |
| 19:07.02 | Rhoruns__ | kk, should i try putty now? |
| 19:07.09 | pickcoder | Rhoruns__: start debugging the other way and use netstat to see if anything is listening on the address and port |
| 19:07.13 | yigal | Rhoruns__: no can you do a simple ping test? |
| 19:07.15 | Rhoruns__ | kk |
| 19:07.18 | DerKurt | yigal: how do i do it? |
| 19:07.18 | Rhoruns__ | yes |
| 19:07.24 | mbroeker | or where can i get computing power of 50 standard pcs for 6 hours approx... |
| 19:07.30 | petemc | DerKurt: /mdg dpkg confmissing |
| 19:07.38 | petemc | erm, confmiss |
| 19:07.38 | Rhoruns__ | kk, i got responses. |
| 19:07.54 | LordWolF | so what could be the issue that im unable to view the apt-get app list. |
| 19:08.04 | yigal | DerKurt: Rhoruns__ what did you ping and what speed is it at? |
| 19:08.07 | lrp | any ideas about keyboard utility config? |
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| 19:08.14 | yigal | exuse me sorry DerKurt |
| 19:08.22 | Rhoruns__ | 1ms, 4 sent, 4 received, time=0 |
| 19:08.27 | yigal | Rhoruns__: what did you ping and what speed is it at |
| 19:08.37 | Rhoruns__ | i pinged 192.168.1.3 |
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| 19:08.45 | abrotman | !tell DerKurt about confmiss |
| 19:08.48 | yigal | Rhoruns__: Rhoruns__ your router? |
| 19:08.51 | Rhoruns__ | no, my PC |
| 19:08.58 | pickcoder | mbroeker: if you need to process data that can be packetized, look at BOINC |
| 19:09.21 | yigal | Rhoruns__: ping your router with eth0 from the computer that is misbehaving |
| 19:09.26 | Thomsen | Anyone knows how I can boot debian without X? I would still like to be able to login though freeNX though |
| 19:09.29 | Rhoruns__ | kk.. |
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| 19:09.40 | mbroeker | pickcoder, yes i can setup a project there, but nobody is interested in it |
| 19:09.55 | mbroeker | so i need to setup it myself. |
| 19:09.57 | Rhoruns__ | yupyup, im getting responses. |
| 19:10.06 | yigal | Thomsen: take gdm or what ever you use to startx X out of the run levels |
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| 19:10.27 | mesof | how can I get java on 64bit iceweasel? |
| 19:10.31 | benjamindees | there should be a headless x server somewhere |
| 19:11.03 | yigal | Rhoruns__: good, what kind of speed? |
| 19:11.17 | LordWolF | sorry any idea why my apt-get is not showing me the list? |
| 19:11.24 | Rhoruns__ | 64 bytes in 0.625 time |
| 19:11.26 | petemc | LordWolF: which list? |
| 19:11.42 | LordWolF | apt-get list |
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| 19:11.50 | LordWolF | the list of app i can install using apt-get |
| 19:11.55 | [tor] | What would be the best way to add lines to /etc/sudoers from "within" my package on installation? |
| 19:12.01 | petemc | LordWolF: what command are you using? |
| 19:12.16 | Thomsen | yigdal: Sorry I'm a bit new to this. Where should I remove it? From /etc/rc5.d ? |
| 19:12.25 | yigal | Rhoruns__: try pinging the i.p. address you are trying to ssh into now |
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| 19:12.29 | Rhoruns__ | kkk |
| 19:12.30 | masus | thanks to all --> by by |
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| 19:12.51 | SpeedyG | Thomsen: yes, update-rc.d |
| 19:12.55 | Rhoruns__ | 64 bytes in 0.224 time :) |
| 19:13.12 | yigal | Rhoruns__: ok, great. you have installed putty? |
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| 19:13.16 | Rhoruns__ | yes |
| 19:13.23 | Rhoruns__ | i was using in minutes ago |
| 19:13.23 | AldarHawk | unrar-free is failing in my run (unrar-free --extract <file> <folder>) anyone know why this would be? |
| 19:13.25 | yigal | Rhoruns__: so try and use it now |
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| 19:13.28 | Rhoruns__ | kk |
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| 19:13.35 | asda | damn cord |
| 19:13.36 | Rhoruns__ | yay! it worked |
| 19:13.38 | asda | i use |
| 19:13.39 | Rhoruns__ | thank you so much |
| 19:13.40 | lrp | hello still waiting here |
| 19:13.43 | asda | apt-cache list |
| 19:13.51 | lrp | hello still waiting here , about keyboard configuration utility? |
| 19:13.52 | yigal | Rhoruns__: great, have a good one |
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| 19:14.09 | vlt | azeem: I managed to add the printer to printers.conf manually after looking into the web interface's html source when CUPS offered me to add the new printer. The DeviceURI was is part of the links there. I think the errors I get when trying to complete the install in the interface (when it comes to https) are caused by mostly ro mounted root fs the CUPS server runs on ... |
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| 19:14.12 | johnadsfsdfdf | does anyone have experience with backupninja? |
| 19:14.21 | pickcoder | lrp: if you don't get an answer, you will probably have to repeat your question |
| 19:14.28 | CrAzYWolF | im using apt-cache list |
| 19:14.34 | CrAzYWolF | apt-get --list |
| 19:14.36 | johnadsfsdfdf | the two solutions that petemc mentioned seem to be more than i need |
| 19:14.45 | AldarHawk | unrar-free is failing in my run (unrar-free --extract <file> <folder>) anyone know why this would be? |
| 19:14.46 | petemc | CrAzYWolF: apt-cache search |
| 19:15.00 | valdyn | AldarHawk: the reason is probably given in the error message |
| 19:15.12 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: why so? |
| 19:15.30 | AldarHawk | it says Filed |
| 19:15.32 | AldarHawk | :P |
| 19:15.41 | valdyn | AldarHawk: scroll up |
| 19:15.43 | AldarHawk | it is a 21Mb rar file |
| 19:16.06 | AldarHawk | it goes through the entire listing with Failed after each file in it and then says 5871 files Failed |
| 19:16.09 | AldarHawk | that is all I am getting |
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| 19:16.32 | valdyn | AldarHawk: try unrar ( the non-free one ) or p7zip |
| 19:16.48 | c_newbie | oh man.. |
| 19:16.52 | dalias | the non-free one has source, it's just stupid bs in the 'license' |
| 19:16.54 | johnadsfsdfdf | backuppc seems like it is much more than i need - with a whole web interface and such for backing up many client machines |
| 19:16.58 | dalias | so it's not as bad as binaryware at least |
| 19:17.27 | valdyn | johnadsfsdfdf: what exactly do you need? |
| 19:17.38 | AldarHawk | Package unrar-nonfree has no installation candidate |
| 19:17.51 | valdyn | !info unrar etch |
| 19:17.53 | jelly | valdyn: can p7zip extract rar files? |
| 19:17.54 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.4-1 (etch), Packaged size: 89 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
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| 19:17.56 | dalias | someone should rtfs the non-free one and write a free replacement |
| 19:18.03 | valdyn | jelly: yes |
| 19:18.20 | dalias | aldarhawk, you need to add non-free to your sources, or download the .deb manually |
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| 19:18.24 | dalias | (i do the latter) |
| 19:18.29 | johnadsfsdfdf | i have a machine with two drives in it, one drive is specifically for backups. I want to keep a history of backups of the first drive (but i dont want to backup the whole thing, just what i need) I also want to be able to save the backup remotely... basically two copies of the backup |
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| 19:18.34 | nikola | what do you think is the best sftp server for debian? |
| 19:18.37 | lrp | dpkg !keyboard config utility |
| 19:18.38 | nikola | i need to install one |
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| 19:18.51 | valdyn | johnadsfsdfdf: dirvish |
| 19:18.51 | rahul | nikola: um |
| 19:18.52 | lrp | dpkg !keyboard config utility help! |
| 19:18.54 | rahul | nikola: ssh... |
| 19:19.00 | BloodWolF | i did a apt-cache search |
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| 19:19.02 | dalias | nikola, there's only one |
| 19:19.04 | rahul | ssh-server is the package, I think |
| 19:19.04 | lrp | dpkg debhelper !keyboard config utility help! |
| 19:19.06 | BloodWolF | that seens to be workign |
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| 19:19.10 | BloodWolF | working* |
| 19:19.15 | nikola | i have ssh |
| 19:19.17 | johnadsfsdfdf | valdyn: you are confident in dirvish, as far as reliability? |
| 19:19.25 | nikola | ok hang on |
| 19:19.31 | rahul | openssh-server, actually |
| 19:19.43 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: it works well for me |
| 19:19.45 | lrp | dpkg debhelper !keyboard config utility help! |
| 19:19.54 | jelly | valdyn: which version? no mention in the man page or in Description :-| |
| 19:19.58 | rahul | lrp: stfu |
| 19:20.08 | nikola | oh |
| 19:20.11 | nikola | im silly |
| 19:20.12 | johnadsfsdfdf | petemc: what has your experience been with restoring backups (easy?) |
| 19:20.13 | nikola | that worked |
| 19:20.16 | BloodWolF | i did a apt-cache search xmms |
| 19:20.25 | rahul | lrp: spamming random shit to a bot will not get you help |
| 19:20.35 | valdyn | jelly: apt-cache show p7zip-full |
| 19:20.36 | pickcoder | lrp: as I said earlier, ask your question again if you don't get an answer |
| 19:20.39 | BloodWolF | it came info about the app so when i tried to get teh file apt-get install xmms |
| 19:20.41 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: just a matter of copying the files back |
| 19:20.50 | johnadsfsdfdf | i really just want to make sure that the solution i choose is the right one. it seems as if i have many options |
| 19:20.56 | johnadsfsdfdf | does dirvish do incremental? |
| 19:20.57 | BloodWolF | its saying could not find package |
| 19:21.02 | johnadsfsdfdf | im googling |
| 19:21.07 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: do an apt-get update |
| 19:21.10 | SpeedyG | and then search again |
| 19:21.16 | dfa001 | lrp: are you trying to modify the keymap? or something else? |
| 19:21.17 | pickcoder | sounds like UPS.. "could not find package" |
| 19:21.24 | valdyn | johnadsfsdfdf: dirvish does incremental backups via hardlinks to the older backup |
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| 19:21.38 | valdyn | johnadsfsdfdf: dirvish does incremental backups with hardlinks to the older backup for identical files |
| 19:21.40 | pickcoder | "we'll get back to you in 8 business days" |
| 19:21.43 | johnadsfsdfdf | ok cool, thanks for your help guys |
| 19:21.47 | BloodWolF | reading package list done ... |
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| 19:21.56 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: dirvish is a wrapper for rsync. restore boils down to cp. |
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| 19:22.05 | johnadsfsdfdf | i see |
| 19:22.13 | Quintin | I've got like 60,000 deleted orphan file fragments from chkdsk on win xp. is that excessive? |
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| 19:22.34 | valdyn | Quintin: does this look like a win xp support channel? |
| 19:22.37 | pickcoder | Quintin: why are you asking #debian? |
| 19:22.41 | lrp | hey i need a hand here to configure my keyboard |
| 19:22.42 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: I've been using it for a couple of years now, once you set it up it basically just works. |
| 19:22.55 | Quintin | 'cause there are smart people in here :p |
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| 19:23.00 | johnadsfsdfdf | thats what i like to hear |
| 19:23.03 | lrp | hey i need a hand here to configure my keyboard , hello im a debian user here , who is needing help |
| 19:23.07 | SpeedyG | lrp: a little more info please |
| 19:23.12 | dfa001 | lrp: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:23.12 | pickcoder | lrp: as I said earlier, ask your question again if you don't get an answer |
| 19:23.14 | BloodWolF | so if i install only 1 Debian cd the apt-get needs to work fine |
| 19:23.18 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 19:23.18 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once) |
| 19:23.19 | SpeedyG | 'my mouse doesnt work' helps as little as your question |
| 19:23.21 | valdyn | lrp: ^^^ |
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| 19:23.22 | BloodWolF | mmmm |
| 19:23.41 | valdyn | lrp: or - for X use your desktop environment specific tool |
| 19:23.59 | BloodWolF | any other command i can try? |
| 19:24.03 | lrp | mm |
| 19:24.13 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: are there any internet sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:24.18 | SpeedyG | or are all the sources cd's ? |
| 19:24.21 | lrp | valdyn in x what is the tool ? |
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| 19:24.47 | BloodWolF | i only installed 1 debian cd |
| 19:24.54 | BloodWolF | let me check the sources.list |
| 19:24.58 | valdyn | lrp: there's many, the one you should use is the one of your desktop environemnt or what dpkg said |
| 19:25.56 | johnadsfsdfdf | how does dirvish handle mysql and svn backups? |
| 19:25.57 | BloodWolF | ok in the sources.list there was a deb cdrom Debian 4.0ç |
| 19:26.17 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: thats all? |
| 19:26.22 | SpeedyG | is the box connected to the internet ? |
| 19:26.23 | valdyn | johnadsfsdfdf: it backups files, nothing else |
| 19:26.26 | BloodWolF | and the links |
| 19:26.30 | johnadsfsdfdf | ok |
| 19:26.55 | jelly | valdyn: meh... 7zr can't list or unpack an archive file descibes as "RAR archive data, v1d, os: Win32" :-| |
| 19:27.11 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: copy the sources.list file to http://pastebin.ca and give the link to the paste .. |
| 19:27.14 | BloodWolF | of the debian site so what i did was i added a # |
| 19:27.23 | JordiGH | jelly: I just told two of my numerical analysis students to resend their assignment to me in a format other than .rar |
| 19:27.42 | BloodWolF | sure |
| 19:27.43 | BloodWolF | ç |
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| 19:27.49 | AKIN180 | hoi guys which of the cds must we download |
| 19:27.49 | SpeedyG | JordiGH: i'd send them as a jpeg! :P |
| 19:27.50 | jelly | JordiGH: warez d00dz like rar! :-) |
| 19:27.55 | valdyn | jelly: i dont know where you are reading that. p7zip-full can extract rar archives. That's in the description, and i tried it too |
| 19:27.59 | AKIN180 | there are 20 dcs |
| 19:28.13 | lrp | kwrite |
| 19:28.18 | jelly | valdyn: the one from lenny says "Error: /net/nfs/alucard/export/cartman/misc/Tolkien/Tolkien_JRR-Unfinished_Tales.rar is not supported archive" |
| 19:28.53 | valdyn | jelly: rar isnt just one format, p7zip might not handle all variations. |
| 19:28.59 | pickcoder | JordiGH: don't make them too mad.. they could design their own compression algorithm and let you figure out how to decompress it. <g> |
| 19:29.07 | jelly | valdyn: that seems to be the case. |
| 19:29.19 | valdyn | jelly: unrar-free handles even less, in my experience |
| 19:29.24 | SpeedyG | pickcoder: if I were some kind of teacher... they'd have a 10 if they'd do that! |
| 19:29.27 | BloodWolF | ook heres the link |
| 19:29.44 | pickcoder | SpeedyG: that depends on how long it takes to crack it |
| 19:29.45 | BloodWolF | http://pastebin.ca/688432 |
| 19:30.26 | AKIN180 | il will debian linux ftp://ftp.twaren.net/Linux/Debian/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ su which cd must il be download can some1 help me |
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| 19:30.37 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Hehehe.... :-) |
| 19:30.43 | p-a-v | AKIN180: if you have a working internet connection, netinst or the first CD should be fine, you can get other packages from the web |
| 19:30.47 | jelly | JordiGH: next time predefine the acceptable formats! :-) |
| 19:30.54 | slept | can someone point me to a good document where i can find out about the differences about a directory and a database it looks kind of the same to me |
| 19:30.56 | SpeedyG | !tell BloodWolF apt-setup |
| 19:31.04 | ahmets | ne diyo internetten mi çek diyo |
| 19:31.07 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: read the msg from dpkg, and do that :) |
| 19:31.07 | AKIN180 | there are 20 cds |
| 19:31.11 | JordiGH | jelly: I'm being nice and accepting .doc for now, but one kid in the know has already sent me .odt! |
| 19:31.29 | ahmets | cd mi satýn al diyo kerata |
| 19:31.34 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: all you're having in the apt-sources list currently are security updates, not regular applications |
| 19:31.35 | jelly | JordiGH: eww, odt. :-) |
| 19:31.42 | azeem | ahmets: please write in english |
| 19:31.51 | jelly | my country votes for OOXML! |
| 19:31.54 | BloodWolF | apt-setup command not found |
| 19:31.59 | ahmets | ok |
| 19:32.01 | azeem | !tr |
| 19:32.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian-tr (irc.oftc.net / irc.debian.org): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
| 19:32.03 | azeem | ahmets: ^^ |
| 19:32.06 | BloodWolF | ok |
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| 19:33.15 | AKIN180 | azeem |
| 19:33.22 | AKIN180 | look at you prive please |
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| 19:33.28 | BloodWolF | SpeedyG |
| 19:33.32 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: sec |
| 19:33.34 | BloodWolF | dpkg didnt msg me |
| 19:33.36 | BloodWolF | sorry ok |
| 19:33.37 | azeem | AKIN180: 1. you shouldn't priv people |
| 19:33.44 | BloodWolF | thanks |
| 19:33.47 | azeem | AKIN180: 2. you're not identified to nickserv, people don't see your privs |
| 19:33.50 | azeem | at least I don't |
| 19:33.53 | JordiGH | jelly: Well, at least I can read it in exactly the same way they meant to write it. I admit that putting C++ code into an .odt file is kinda silly, but these are also kids who reboot the Debian machines into Windows just so they can use putty to check their email in the OpenBSD servers. |
| 19:34.13 | nikola | what |
| 19:34.15 | nikola | you arent serious |
| 19:34.20 | nikola | thats so stupid |
| 19:34.22 | AKIN180 | oke thanx guys |
| 19:34.28 | jelly | JordiGH: duh... install putty in Debian! |
| 19:34.35 | nikola | ... |
| 19:34.42 | pickcoder | SpeedyG: I was always too afraid of getting on the professors bad side to pull stunts like that. Sometimes it's funny and they love it. Next time, they're tired and end up failing you for being a smartass. |
| 19:34.54 | JordiGH | jelly: I've managed to teach some to use bash and ssh. :-) |
| 19:35.04 | jelly | !info putty etch |
| 19:35.08 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-5 (etch), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
| 19:35.15 | AKIN180 | oke thanx guys |
| 19:35.20 | AKIN180 | bye all |
| 19:35.27 | JordiGH | jelly: It's really wierd how some of them will use Windows only for putty but are still scared of "learning Linux". |
| 19:35.29 | azeem | AKIN180: bye! |
| 19:35.31 | JordiGH | weird |
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| 19:35.38 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: you should add mirrors manually I guess |
| 19:35.41 | jelly | JordiGH: Linux is scary. |
| 19:35.41 | Gathond | JordiGH: just have them use putty, there actually is a Linux port of the thing |
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| 19:35.51 | BloodWolF | mmm |
| 19:35.57 | Gathond | JordiGH: never used it though, but there is a debian package |
| 19:36.14 | BloodWolF | will try that |
| 19:36.20 | BloodWolF | let me see |
| 19:36.51 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: check this paste as example http://pastebin.ca/684441 |
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| 19:37.16 | vnWrK | hi, how can I know if apt-get installed X package? |
| 19:37.29 | azeem | dpkg -l X |
| 19:37.29 | dpkg | ii X 3.6-2.1 azeem's private gamp collection |
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| 19:37.52 | jelly | what's gamp? |
| 19:37.52 | JordiGH | Gathond: If they're using putty so they can use csh in the OpenBSD machines, they can fucking learn bash and openssh. :-) |
| 19:37.53 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:38.26 | DerKurt | i removed ejabberd with --purge and when i reinstall it creates the configfiles again, but i get 'Preconfiguring packages ... |
| 19:38.28 | DerKurt | Can't exec "/tmp/ejabberd.config.25271": Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. |
| 19:38.28 | SpeedyG | BloodWolF: check this page for all possible (listed) mirrors http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 19:38.29 | DerKurt | open2: exec of /tmp/ejabberd.config.25271 configure failed at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/ConfModule.pm line 58 |
| 19:38.29 | jelly | pickcoder: *actual size* |
| 19:38.31 | DerKurt | ejabberd failed to preconfigure, with exit status 9' when installing and the server won't start |
| 19:38.58 | johnadsfsdfdf | what is the best strategy for remote backup via ssh (in terms of authentication) its my understanding that using keys without passwords are a "Bad Idea" |
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| 19:39.14 | jelly | pickcoder: "colloquial terms for an umbrella" o.O |
| 19:39.44 | pickcoder | I think that's a bit off, back towards the end field |
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| 19:40.33 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: it depends... do you trust the backup server to connect noninteractively to the backup client? |
| 19:40.48 | SpeedyG | pickcoder: I once heard of a guy who, on a closed book exam, wrote down the page in the book where the answer could be found. The prof liked it very much and awarded him the points for the question :D |
| 19:41.00 | BloodWolF | ok i will do that real quick when i get home |
| 19:41.16 | johnadsfsdfdf | yes, both machines are mine |
| 19:41.22 | BloodWolF | onething usually if i want to install irssi manually i do a .configure? or make install? |
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| 19:41.35 | johnadsfsdfdf | what alternatives do i have jelly |
| 19:41.42 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: in that case, bad idea becomes bad practice only if your backup server is compromised. |
| 19:41.42 | vnWrK | gamp is dpkg's private porn collection |
| 19:41.50 | vnWrK | thanks for the answer |
| 19:42.10 | johnadsfsdfdf | i like to do things the right way, but what would be better than that |
| 19:42.21 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: you could use something like duplicity |
| 19:42.41 | johnadsfsdfdf | doesnt duplicity just encrypt the data? |
| 19:43.01 | p-a-v | vnWrK: tried aptitude show X? |
| 19:43.03 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: encrypts and signs. |
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| 19:43.39 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: and also, uploads the other way round, so the backup client connects to backup server |
| 19:43.56 | BloodWolF | well thx for help let me get to college and mess with this when i get home |
| 19:44.03 | barnydan | Anyone in here farmiliar with qdvdauthor? I keep getting errors when I try to make my DVD with it. Could someone help me with the command lines that qdvdauthor generates? |
| 19:44.08 | SpeedyG | hehe good luck with college ;) |
| 19:44.13 | BloodWolF | dude |
| 19:44.13 | chius | I have a question, I am not sure if my laptop turion x2 64 msi s271 has an ATI xpress200m or 1150 graphic card. In any case are both supported by beryl? |
| 19:44.19 | BloodWolF | thanks |
| 19:44.23 | johnadsfsdfdf | i see, but doesnt that mean that the backup machine would have to have access to the production machine? |
| 19:44.25 | BloodWolF | thats some crazy stuff right there |
| 19:44.36 | BloodWolF | later |
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| 19:44.51 | vnWrK | p-a-v: well dpkg says the package is "rc" |
| 19:45.00 | vnWrK | from what I understand it has been deleted |
| 19:45.14 | vnWrK | apt-get says it not installer...but theres still a lot of webmin files |
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| 19:46.05 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: no? production machine = backup client has access to (an account on the) backup server instead. At least that's my understanding, I haven't used it. |
| 19:47.15 | johnadsfsdfdf | oh ok |
| 19:47.29 | SpeedyG | vnWrK: tried to purge the package ? |
| 19:47.32 | vnWrK | my problem actually is that apache's logs are going to /var/log/apache/access.log.1 and not access.log |
| 19:47.34 | johnadsfsdfdf | jelly: thanks for your help, and everyone else |
| 19:47.39 | vnWrK | SpeedyG: uhm, how? |
| 19:47.41 | chius | no answers? |
| 19:48.11 | vnWrK | --purge? |
| 19:48.13 | SpeedyG | aptitude purge $packagename <= that should totally remove every last bit of it |
| 19:48.29 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: you could also check out rdiff-backup. I only know that it exists, but not how it works... |
| 19:48.52 | vnWrK | dpkg --purge...tried that, waiting to see the result |
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| 19:49.41 | johnadsfsdfdf | jelly: i've been looking at that too |
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| 19:50.14 | johnadsfsdfdf | backupninja seems to be a wrapper for all these different backup utilites http://dev.riseup.net/backupninja/usage/ |
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| 19:50.19 | Tominator | hi |
| 19:50.19 | Tominator | Does anybody know, whether there ist a good gnome implementation of a speech recognition software (e.g. sphinx) for dictating to Open Office for example? |
| 19:51.17 | cal_ | I have two machines with gigabit ethernet cards and a cable and I really want to copy data across (a lot of it, more than is feasible to use extenal hd). What's the best way to do this? |
| 19:51.49 | zinx | cal: you don't have a gbit switch? |
| 19:52.31 | cal_ | zinx: no :( |
| 19:52.42 | zinx | cal: does the link light come on if you plug the wire in to both ports? |
| 19:52.47 | cal_ | zinx: is it possible to set up one of the machines as a router? |
| 19:52.57 | vnWrK | duh...dunno if removing webmin-core will screw up my system's config.. |
| 19:52.58 | cal_ | zinx: ill check |
| 19:53.38 | cal_ | zinx: yes, both |
| 19:53.40 | abrotman | Tominator: maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 19:53.51 | cal_ | zinx: (what does this mean?) |
| 19:53.54 | Tominator | thanks! I'll try! |
| 19:53.55 | zinx | cal: you're in luck, configure them to use different static IPs on the same network |
| 19:54.08 | cal_ | zinx: ok, how would I do that? |
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| 19:54.32 | zinx | cal: i.e., 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 up' on one machine, 'ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0' on the other |
| 19:54.49 | zinx | cal: after that you can use anything you want to transfer the files between them - http, ftp, SMB, whatever |
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| 19:55.04 | zinx | cal: given that they're gigabit, you may want to also use ifconfig eth0 mtu 9000 on both |
| 19:55.05 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: ah. "I tried them all, and I didn't like any of them. So I wrote backupninja." |
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| 19:56.55 | johnadsfsdfdf | jelly: lol |
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| 19:57.17 | ahmets | AKIN180 |
| 19:57.24 | ahmets | ambezi ne die sor bakýyým bi |
| 19:57.39 | CoolCold | hello everyone |
| 19:57.51 | ahmets | sor la sor |
| 19:57.52 | CoolCold | who knows, what this can be? http://paste.lisp.org/display/47326 |
| 19:57.53 | ahmets | utanma |
| 19:57.58 | AKIN180 | whats is mean ambezi |
| 19:58.09 | ahmets | aferin 10 verdim |
| 19:58.20 | ahmets | la keratala siz ne boka yarýyonuz |
| 19:58.32 | ahmets | keranacýla |
| 19:58.57 | abrotman | ahmets: english please |
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| 19:59.25 | abrotman | ahmets: or tell us what language you'd prefer to speak and perhaps we can send to a channel that speaks that language |
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| 19:59.33 | tnks | I can't find the crontab entry that manages /tmp house-cleaning. Where is that? |
| 19:59.38 | moshii | Question for the consultant types here.. what do you guys use for generating invoices? |
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| 19:59.42 | abrotman | tnks: it's a bootscript |
| 19:59.49 | abrotman | moshii: post-it notes! |
| 19:59.50 | ahmets | abrotman eben vamý la |
| 19:59.55 | abrotman | ahmets: ENGLISH |
| 19:59.56 | ahmets | sikerim ebeni |
| 20:00.11 | tnks | abrotman: oh... interesting. |
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| 20:00.19 | moshii | abrotman: haha, I don't know if postit notes look so good for tax purposes |
| 20:00.27 | ahmets | sus amýna koyduđum abrotmasý |
| 20:00.28 | abrotman | moshii: no .. but they're easy to file! |
| 20:00.38 | abrotman | tarzeau: help a bit here ? |
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| 20:02.06 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: at least the author sounds reasonably proficient... I've discarded his script based solely on the name :-) but I see he uses the smartest rsync-ish backup apps available (that I know about, at least: duplicity and rdiff-backup) so he might know what he doing. dirvish works for dumping to local disk for me though. :-) I've thought about adding some redundancy to it with a distributed filesystem... http://wiki.digitalbazaar.com/en/Starfish_Dist |
| 20:02.06 | jelly | ributed_Filesystem is not free, but is free to use up to 1TB storage space. |
| 20:02.17 | benjamindees | !ru |
| 20:02.17 | dpkg | hmm... ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 20:02.44 | doub_ | maybe you guys do know why the "weekly build" DVD and CD sets for lenny haven't changed since may? |
| 20:02.47 | abrotman | benjamindees: i think it was turkish |
| 20:02.51 | abrotman | doub_: they haven't made new ones |
| 20:03.12 | jelly | abrotman: hello Mr. Obvious! :-) |
| 20:03.13 | johnadsfsdfdf | jelly: i also doubted it's reliability, but it seems to be well done |
| 20:03.21 | tnks | abrotman: any idea which one? |
| 20:03.22 | jelly | abrotman: ... feck, you're faster! |
| 20:03.23 | doub_ | abrotman: i guess so... but isn't it supposed to be automagic? |
| 20:03.26 | tnks | I just grepped through all mine. |
| 20:03.27 | benjamindees | damn, close |
| 20:03.32 | tnks | nothing popped out. |
| 20:03.35 | abrotman | tnks: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh IIRC |
| 20:03.58 | abrotman | tnks: mountall-bootclean.sh |
| 20:04.08 | abrotman | and bootclean |
| 20:04.17 | abrotman | about 10 places apparnetly |
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| 20:04.40 | tnks | abrotman: weird... none are installed on my system. |
| 20:04.42 | abrotman | tnks: grep tmp /etc/init.d/* | grep -i clean |
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| 20:04.57 | gowrav | Hi room just started using Etch 4.0 .. but it's not that fast as my window is .. |
| 20:05.00 | abrotman | !room |
| 20:05.00 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 20:05.04 | gowrav | means not saying it bad but ... |
| 20:05.06 | abrotman | gowrav: fast at what ? |
| 20:05.15 | tnks | abrotman: sorry... I was in the wrong termin. |
| 20:05.20 | gowrav | means graphics |
| 20:05.21 | tnks | found it. |
| 20:05.26 | abrotman | gowrav: how are you testing? |
| 20:05.31 | gowrav | a simple 3d game here sucks |
| 20:05.36 | abrotman | gowrav: and which video card? |
| 20:05.55 | solitude | and what driver |
| 20:05.58 | doub_ | abrotman: well, to put it another way around, where's the right place to complain? ;) |
| 20:06.01 | gowrav | yes thats my next question was .. video card .. i have nvidea |
| 20:06.06 | abrotman | !Nvidia one-liner |
| 20:06.06 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 20:06.12 | solitude | running natively or wine? :p |
| 20:06.18 | solitude | or VM |
| 20:06.18 | gowrav | no driver installed yet but windows take this default and does well |
| 20:06.19 | abrotman | doub_: maybe ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:06.25 | gowrav | natively |
| 20:06.34 | gowrav | wine sucks on photoshop CS |
| 20:06.41 | abrotman | CS sucks! |
| 20:06.44 | gowrav | i just want to go on linux .. |
| 20:06.45 | fastputty | how can i know what kind of email sender do i got |
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| 20:06.51 | fastputty | i am using mailx |
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| 20:07.24 | abrotman | fastputty: likely exim4 |
| 20:07.29 | gowrav | where to search for Video driver |
| 20:07.34 | abrotman | gowrav: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner .. do what it tells you to do |
| 20:07.57 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: that'll teach him to put NINJAs in the application name! |
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| 20:08.31 | moshii | gowrav: use gimp instead or something |
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| 20:09.04 | gowrav | gimp is good but Photoshop is ... just Photoshop .. |
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| 20:09.17 | johnadsfsdfdf | jelly: this page seems to have quite a bit of useful information http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/ ... and the about page makes them look a bit more reputable |
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| 20:09.32 | jelly | johnadsfsdfdf: yeah, that's where I got the quote from |
| 20:09.37 | johnadsfsdfdf | im going to google about other peoples experience |
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| 20:11.46 | mac32 | hello to all |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | i don't want a hello |
| 20:12.15 | abrotman | can i get .. like a bonjour ? |
| 20:12.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:12.31 | zinx | abrotman: no, this is an english channel :P~ |
| 20:12.34 | abrotman | heh |
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| 20:12.44 | abrotman | how about "good day" then? |
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| 20:13.01 | mac32 | sorry but I don't know french |
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| 20:13.36 | mac32 | but i know portuguese |
| 20:13.45 | abrotman | bom dias! |
| 20:13.48 | abrotman | and that's all iknow .. |
| 20:13.50 | mac32 | bls |
| 20:13.53 | vnWrK | moi jparle francais mais tk...dat being an english channel |
| 20:13.59 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 20:14.10 | mac32 | vc fala portugues |
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| 20:14.33 | abrotman | there is a portuguese channel |
| 20:14.42 | vnWrK | how can I search for a string in all files in my system? and knowing from which file it comes from |
| 20:14.46 | abrotman | vnWrK: grep |
| 20:15.03 | mac32 | desculpe mas năo vi isto quando entrei |
| 20:15.11 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:15.11 | dpkg | Este canal Ă© apenas em inglĂŞs. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:15.30 | abrotman | i guess i shouldn't have started that .. oh well |
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| 20:16.07 | mac32 | i need some help about courier-imap |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | okay .. so ask |
| 20:16.34 | gowrav | after installing nvidia kernal .. i am using "modprobe nvidia" .. but it says "modprobe : command not found" ??? |
| 20:16.42 | solar_sea | is there a way to make apt-get run a command after each apt-get run ? |
| 20:16.57 | mac32 | when i setup it with authshadow it doens't work |
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| 20:16.59 | abrotman | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade :) |
| 20:17.07 | abrotman | gowrav: are you root ? |
| 20:17.12 | mac32 | ye |
| 20:17.12 | gowrav | no |
| 20:17.19 | mac32 | yes |
| 20:17.21 | gowrav | abrotman: no |
| 20:17.23 | abrotman | gowrav: that'd help |
| 20:17.30 | gowrav | abrotman: trying |
| 20:17.58 | solar_sea | I need it to execute apt-cacher-import -s /var/cache/apt/archives so that apt-get cache would be integrated into apt-cacher cache |
| 20:18.08 | gowrav | abrotman: FATAL Module nvidia not found .. but i just installed it .. |
| 20:18.17 | Ast001 | can you tell me where debian hold kernel source code ? |
| 20:18.18 | mac32 | I use courier-imap with qmail |
| 20:18.47 | abrotman | Ast001: did you install a linux-source package? if so, it'd be in /usr/src/ |
| 20:18.53 | abrotman | gowrav: how did you just install it ? |
| 20:18.59 | Ast001 | yes I did |
| 20:19.10 | Ast001 | it is there but I can not do make menuconfig |
| 20:19.36 | Ast001 | I recieved a lot of error messages |
| 20:19.37 | mac32 | yes, but dpkgtool don't install with it option |
| 20:19.46 | abrotman | Ast001: such as ? |
| 20:19.47 | gowrav | abrotman: I got 3 DVDs .. i search nvidia in that .. i found nvidia-kernel-common and in Synaptic pacakge manager i installed it |
| 20:19.53 | abrotman | gowrav: that's nto enough |
| 20:19.56 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:19.56 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 20:19.59 | Ast001 | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:291: error: â€KEY_RIGHT’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 20:20.06 | gowrav | abrotman: then ?? |
| 20:20.07 | abrotman | you have to add contrib and non-free sources and then run the above commands |
| 20:20.16 | abrotman | !tell gowrav about nonfree |
| 20:20.19 | abrotman | !tell gowrav about contrib |
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| 20:20.23 | abrotman | !tell gowrav about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:20.54 | Ast001 | make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 20:21.23 | johnadsfsdfdf | jelly: the only dirt if been able to find is this http://www.linuxcompatible.org/DSA_827-1_New_backupninja_packages_fix_insecure_temporary_file_s55986.html and it seems its been resolved |
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| 20:21.38 | gowrav | abrotman: I got this card purchased .. then even i have to purhchase driver just for linux |
| 20:21.51 | abrotman | you don't have to buy a driver |
| 20:22.16 | abrotman | the driver is there .. it just has to be installed correctly |
| 20:22.27 | gowrav | k |
| 20:22.45 | abrotman | gowrav: the bot "dpkg" should have told you a few things in another window .. follow those instructions |
| 20:23.00 | gowrav | abrotman: reading the same |
| 20:23.30 | Ast001 | In file included from scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.c:24: |
| 20:23.31 | Ast001 | scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/dialog.h:31:20: error: curses.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:23.46 | Ast001 | curses.h whats that ? |
| 20:23.50 | SpeedyG | abrotman: after trying to use dpkg to send some msg to a user, I got a 'No, speedyg, I won't. (target invalid?)' msg .. but.. the target was valid, and was here, any clue how that could happen ? |
| 20:24.00 | abrotman | SpeedyG: you did it wrong |
| 20:24.14 | SpeedyG | it's !tell $nick about $subject right ? |
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| 20:24.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:25.01 | SpeedyG | abrotman: ah, I see.. I forgot 'about' :) |
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| 20:27.41 | Ast001 | do i need linux-tree ? |
| 20:28.09 | iT|Freel | mhh, can anybody tell me, why df -h says the following: |
| 20:28.17 | iT|Freel | size: 220G |
| 20:28.24 | iT|Freel | used: 209G |
| 20:28.29 | iT|Freel | free: 0% |
| 20:28.52 | abrotman | 5% is reserved for root |
| 20:28.56 | Gathond | iT|Freel: because most linux/unix filesystems reserve 5% of the space for root |
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| 20:29.11 | iT|Freel | but it is a partition /data |
| 20:29.20 | Gathond | iT|Freel: so? |
| 20:29.29 | Gathond | its still reserved for the user root |
| 20:29.30 | gowrav | abrotman: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r) i am getting |
| 20:29.31 | gowrav | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.31 | gowrav | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 20:29.31 | gowrav | ] |
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| 20:29.38 | iT|Freel | is there space reserved for root, too? |
| 20:29.44 | Gathond | and does not show up as free space |
| 20:29.53 | benjamindees | yes, every time you run mkfs |
| 20:30.00 | benjamindees | you can specify the amount |
| 20:30.00 | Gathond | iT|Freel: every filesystem(formated partition) reserves this space |
| 20:30.16 | iT|Freel | okay |
| 20:30.20 | abrotman | not every .. just certain ones |
| 20:30.23 | iT|Freel | and with tunefs i can edit this? |
| 20:30.25 | abrotman | like vfat won't |
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| 20:30.42 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:30.42 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:30.44 | abrotman | gowrav: ^^ |
| 20:30.51 | gowrav | k |
| 20:30.53 | gowrav | sorry |
| 20:30.55 | abrotman | gowrav: and either you're not root .. or you have another synaptic or something running |
| 20:31.05 | abrotman | iT|Freel: yes you can edit that |
| 20:31.14 | gowrav | k yes synaptic is running |
| 20:31.34 | iT|Freel | can you tell me the option for tune2fs? |
| 20:31.54 | DustyDingo | hi |
| 20:32.00 | iT|Freel | is it -r ? |
| 20:32.07 | gowrav | okey building done but ...Coudn't find package nvidia-kernal-2.6.18-4-4k |
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| 20:32.32 | gowrav | i have nvidia-kernal-common here in my synaptic list |
| 20:32.35 | benjamindees | yes -r or -m, reserved blocks |
| 20:32.57 | abrotman | gowrav: your kernel is out of date |
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| 20:33.06 | DustyDingo | i am searching for a methode to encrypt passwords with another password, so that they can be written down easily (ascii text) |
| 20:33.11 | abrotman | gowrav: in a termina .. aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:33.11 | gowrav | abrotman: okey all done but says you have already newset version 0 updating ....... |
| 20:33.30 | brady | I'm trying to programmatically send keystrokes to a program. How do I send the esc keystroke. I.e., how might I use bash to do: echo "the_escape_character" |
| 20:33.32 | iT|Freel | thx! |
| 20:33.38 | gowrav | abrotman: oops .. I have etch 4.0 .. is it out of date !!!!!!! |
| 20:33.50 | abrotman | it's a security patch |
| 20:34.18 | craig__ | brady : try echo -e '\n\bhi\b\n' |
| 20:34.37 | brady | craig__, \n is new line, \b is bell. Which one is escape? |
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| 20:34.41 | abrotman | brady: ask #bash |
| 20:34.47 | brady | abrotman, ok |
| 20:34.48 | abrotman | there's a keycode for it |
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| 20:35.01 | gowrav | abrotman: it just removed perl .. thats it |
| 20:35.04 | mesof | does anyone know how to get java on 64bit? |
| 20:36.02 | abrotman | gowrav: huh ? |
| 20:36.08 | mbroeker | mesof, add non-free to the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:36.08 | abrotman | gowrav: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere |
| 20:36.10 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:36.10 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 20:36.14 | gowrav | abrotman: yes |
| 20:36.21 | gowrav | abrotman: yes PASTE ! |
| 20:36.32 | benjamindees | I thought you could mix 32 bit userspace apps with a 64 bit kernel |
| 20:36.36 | abrotman | don't eat it |
| 20:36.43 | abrotman | benjamindees: there's a 64bit java now |
| 20:36.51 | mesof | abrotman: and install what? |
| 20:36.56 | benjamindees | oh hey welcome to the mystical future |
| 20:36.57 | DustyDingo | my main problem is, when i use for e.g. openssl the encrypted password gets unnecessary long |
| 20:37.06 | abrotman | mesof: aptitude update && apt-cache search sun java |
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| 20:37.32 | mesof | abrotman: i have sid main non-free in sources.list |
| 20:37.41 | gowrav | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/36459 |
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| 20:37.57 | abrotman | mesof: apt-cache search sun java |
| 20:37.59 | abrotman | nothing ? |
| 20:38.14 | abrotman | gowrav: you need http sources .. what country are you in ? |
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| 20:38.50 | gowrav | i have setted repository in synaptic to my dvd.. should it be the site address ... |
| 20:38.56 | abrotman | gowrav: which country? |
| 20:39.01 | gowrav | India |
| 20:39.01 | mesof | abrotman: yesterday i installed both ia32 sunjava packages 5 and 6, but there's a lot listed here, which should I install? |
| 20:39.04 | mesof | :D |
| 20:39.05 | amirnepals | how to make services on on start up on debian like |
| 20:39.11 | amirnepals | chkconfig .... on redhat? |
| 20:39.27 | mesof | and will it work in iceweasel |
| 20:39.28 | nvz | amirnepals: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 20:39.41 | abrotman | gowrav: in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. add the following two lines |
| 20:39.50 | abrotman | deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 20:40.07 | gowrav | abrotman: http://security.debian.org/etch/updates (binary or source) what should i select ... |
| 20:40.11 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:40.18 | abrotman | gowrav: just like i typed them |
| 20:40.27 | gowrav | okey |
| 20:40.34 | amirnepals | any good bandwidth manager for debian? |
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| 20:40.39 | abrotman | trickle |
| 20:40.54 | iT|Freel | how long does it ~ take to change the amount of the reserved blocks? |
| 20:40.55 | abrotman | for a single use .. for a broader app .. use wondershaper perhaps |
| 20:40.57 | infernix | hm, there's e1000 support in the etch installer.. right? |
| 20:41.02 | gowrav | abrotman: all three links one by one or any one of them |
| 20:41.09 | abrotman | gowrav: i only did two |
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| 20:41.14 | abrotman | use the two i wrote |
| 20:41.17 | mesof | yeah amd64 |
| 20:41.17 | alaK | hey |
| 20:41.34 | gowrav | k |
| 20:41.35 | infernix | someone's doing a remote install and an intel 1000/pt isnt recognized, but i can't imagine that there's no e1000 in the etch installer kernel |
| 20:41.45 | alaK | I have problem connecting to the server with my hltv proxy |
| 20:41.51 | alaK | i dont have no error logs whatso ever |
| 20:42.02 | dooglus | my display gets corrupted whenever a window that is partially covered by other windows gets updated. |
| 20:42.04 | abrotman | mesof: sun-java6-jre |
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| 20:42.10 | mesof | thank you |
| 20:42.23 | XJih78 | can debian be illegal in some countries? |
| 20:42.29 | valdyn | infernix: can be an unknown pci id for actually supported hardware |
| 20:42.31 | gowrav | abrotman: deb command not found !!! |
| 20:42.32 | valdyn | XJih78: sure |
| 20:42.35 | abrotman | gowrav: ? |
| 20:42.38 | dooglus | I mentioned it here before and was told it was probably the proprietary ATI driver's fault - but now I'm using VNC from a Windows box and see the same problem. Does that rule out the ATI driver? |
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| 20:42.41 | rahul | XJih78: anything can be illegal somewhere |
| 20:42.46 | abrotman | gowrav: those are lines to paste into the file .. |
| 20:42.48 | nvz | if debian were illegal I'd gladly be an outlaw |
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| 20:42.54 | XJih78 | wtf?! |
| 20:42.55 | abrotman | rahul: i heard you were illegal in jersey |
| 20:42.55 | valdyn | XJih78: its mostly tailored for US / European law i suppose |
| 20:42.56 | rahul | using the internet can be illegal somewhere |
| 20:42.56 | renan | how can I install flash plugin in my firefox on debian amd64? |
| 20:42.58 | rahul | heh |
| 20:43.00 | nvz | or a terrorist even |
| 20:43.04 | alaK | so can someone help me to get a clue what is the problem ? |
| 20:43.08 | troubled | rahul: foom! |
| 20:43.11 | unbekannt | Does anyone know what package I must install to get Chinese character support with Konqeror? |
| 20:43.12 | rahul | jersey can't handle me! |
| 20:43.14 | infernix | renan: nspluginwrapper (google, or maybe apt-get install) |
| 20:43.19 | mesof | abrotman: and just restart iceweasel and it should work? |
| 20:43.23 | rahul | troubled: what about him? |
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| 20:43.25 | abrotman | mesof: maybe? :) |
| 20:43.27 | unbekannt | All I see are boxes, where the characters should be. |
| 20:43.28 | troubled | rahul: sup |
| 20:43.31 | valdyn | XJih78: not many countries actually do outlaw software.. |
| 20:43.39 | rahul | he's not even in here |
| 20:43.43 | rahul | troubled: eh, not much |
| 20:44.01 | rahul | troubled: debating which CDs I want to buy and which of the 3 rock shows I want to go to on friday |
| 20:44.11 | XJih78 | i was just curious |
| 20:44.14 | benjamindees | dooglus, sounds like it does |
| 20:44.15 | rahul | I might get comped to the one I don't want to go to, so maybe I should... |
| 20:44.21 | gowrav | its connecting to site and doing something .. |
| 20:44.31 | renan | infernix, if I install the firefox 32bits manually, can I install flash normally? |
| 20:44.33 | troubled | rahul: rock show? that as in a concert? |
| 20:44.35 | rahul | the one I kinda want to go to would only be for about 3.5 songs |
| 20:44.38 | rahul | troubled: yes |
| 20:44.51 | dooglus | benjamindees: that's what I thought. surely VNC bypasses the ATI driver? (I'm connected to the same X session as is displaying on the laptop's screen though) |
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| 20:44.57 | mesof | abrotman: maybe? |
| 20:44.58 | rahul | and there's another one I want to go to because I haven't seen them play in months |
| 20:45.01 | troubled | rahul: what are your choices? |
| 20:45.15 | infernix | renan: in a 32bit chroot, life is easy, yes |
| 20:45.18 | gowrav | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/36460 |
| 20:45.25 | rahul | troubled: within temptation at irving plaza, kult xero at snitch, or receptor at don hill's |
| 20:45.36 | infernix | another installer question; is it possible to invoke the remote ssh installer module when *not* in expert mode? |
| 20:45.37 | renan | infernix, but can I install firefox 32 (.tar.gz) on my debian amd64? |
| 20:45.50 | troubled | rahul: never heard of them. what genre? |
| 20:45.55 | infernix | renan: ask me again in a week, i'm going to ditch 64bit iceweasel soon. |
| 20:46.00 | mesof | abrotman: it appears as if it did not work after restarting iceweasel |
| 20:46.06 | valdyn | renan: sure |
| 20:46.08 | renan | haha.. oka, infernix . |
| 20:46.12 | benjamindees | dooglus, try the xvfb x server |
| 20:46.12 | renan | valdyn, thank you. |
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| 20:46.33 | gowrav | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/36460 |
| 20:46.34 | renan | I`ll try first the nspluginwrapper |
| 20:46.36 | rahul | troubled: goth/symphonic rock/metal, punk/experimental, and grunge/funk/rock |
| 20:46.40 | rahul | respectively |
| 20:46.41 | valdyn | renan: not entirely sure it works fine atm, there used to be isseus with amd64 debian's 32bit libgtk, which you need for firefox |
| 20:47.08 | mesof | abrotman: ? |
| 20:47.09 | renan | hm |
| 20:47.12 | troubled | rahul: goth/symphonic would be interesting |
| 20:47.16 | valdyn | renan: 32-bit flash acutally can be used with debians 64bit iceweasel, if that's what you need |
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| 20:47.24 | rahul | and I'm trying to decide which CDs I want to buy... now I just have to decide on one of devildriver's and one of octavia sperati's |
| 20:47.30 | renan | yes.. I need it, valdyn . |
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| 20:47.35 | mesof | any ideas |
| 20:47.40 | valdyn | !nspluginwrapper |
| 20:47.40 | dpkg | [nspluginwrapper] a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. It is officially in *unstable*, while unofficial *stable/Etch* packages are available at http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ |
| 20:47.50 | rahul | troubled: yeah, but I only want to hear about 3.5 of their songs |
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| 20:48.07 | rahul | troubled: I only half care for about one song on their new album |
| 20:48.15 | UpgradeBoy | I added the debian etch beryl repositories and installed beryl and emerald, but when I try to change to beryl it just exits leaving the system using metacity. Can anyone comment? |
| 20:48.17 | troubled | rahul: you think I dont own any cd's where I only like a few songs? :) |
| 20:48.34 | rahul | troubled: however, the three they're doing from the older ones are absolutely awesome |
| 20:48.38 | gowrav | abrotman: ARE YOU THERE ?? http://paste.debian.net/36460 |
| 20:48.38 | renan | UpgradeBoy, good, guy, can u say me the beryl repositories? |
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| 20:48.42 | troubled | rahul: lets also not forget about the "it grows on you" syndrome |
| 20:48.56 | rahul | troubled: nah. these are rather boom, crash, bang pop songs |
| 20:49.15 | UpgradeBoy | deb http://debian.beryl-project.org etch main |
| 20:49.15 | UpgradeBoy | deb-src http://debian.beryl-project.org etch main |
| 20:49.17 | rahul | troubled: the CDs where I only like a few songs were given to me for free |
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| 20:49.29 | SpeedyG | gowrav: you probably are not root, or you've got synaptic or somth open |
| 20:49.36 | renan | UpgradeBoy, i`ve tried to use this repositories but appears offline =/ |
| 20:49.48 | rahul | troubled: usually as promos |
| 20:49.52 | benjamindees | dooglus, I don't see how vnc could be dependent on the ati driver but have you tried the open source driver? |
| 20:50.00 | gowrav | SpeedyG: yap .. now synaptic closed and again given the command |
| 20:50.01 | iT|Freel | do i have to umount the hdd for setting this option? |
| 20:50.02 | Andy1078 | Hi at all: I created a diff with "diff -r DIR1 DIR2 > my.diff" but if i wan't to patch DIR1, patch complains that the files at line 2 can't be found. I know "diff -r" is a bad idea and i should use "diff -Naur" instead... |
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| 20:50.20 | SpeedyG | gowrav: and then it gave you that error? or did you close it after the error ? |
| 20:50.39 | rahul | hrm. maybe I'll hold off on the devildriver cd. |
| 20:50.51 | rahul | I want to hear some songs off the fury of our maker's hand... |
| 20:51.01 | dooglus | benjamindees: I don't remember how to. The screen looks like this by the way: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/screen.png |
| 20:51.02 | Lonnie | Is there a quick and easy way to prevent apt-get dist-upgrade from grabbing the 2.6.18 kernel sources??? I'm running the 2.6.20 kernel on a lenny system. |
| 20:51.24 | valdyn | Andy1078: cd DIR1; patch -p1 < /path/to/patch.diff |
| 20:51.45 | gowrav | SpeedyG: now okey but its saying "Need to get 160 Mb of archieves. after unpacking 48.0 MB will be used " .. is this going to download 160 MB over my this slow net connection ??? |
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| 20:51.57 | valdyn | Lonnie: you already have those sources, remove them |
| 20:52.00 | troubled | rahul: have you heard all the songs off both albumbs? |
| 20:52.10 | Andy1078 | valdyn: already tried that but diff complains: can't find file to patch at input line 2 |
| 20:52.14 | rahul | troubled: no |
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| 20:52.23 | gowrav | SpeedyG: now okey but its saying "Need to get 160 Mb of archieves. after unpacking 48.0 MB will be used " .. is this going to download 160 MB over my this slow net connection ??? |
| 20:52.28 | valdyn | Andy1078: the error message is more precise im sure |
| 20:52.32 | rahul | troubled: and there's actually 3. fury is the third one. most expensive, but maybe that's for a reason |
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| 20:52.40 | solemnwarning | Does Xen support emulating x86 for non-HVM CPUs? |
| 20:53.03 | ianm_ | how can I see the fingerprint of /etc/courier/smtpd.key ? |
| 20:53.39 | troubled | rahul: www.deezer.com have them? |
| 20:53.40 | SpeedyG | gowrav: afaik, yes |
| 20:53.47 | gowrav | oops .. i am going to say it no ... |
| 20:53.56 | rahul | hmm yeah |
| 20:54.00 | gowrav | aborted ... |
| 20:54.15 | rahul | 4 of them |
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| 20:54.55 | dotCOMmie | Hello, I'm a bit confused about the .bash_profile and .bashrc files. is there a reason for the existance of both of them. Is there a time when .bashrc is sourced when bash_profile is not? |
| 20:55.02 | alaK | Challenging 127.0.0.1:27015 (2/3). I can't connect my hltv proxy to a cs server, why ? |
| 20:55.06 | alaK | how can i check the problem |
| 20:55.36 | renan | got it! flash installed =) |
| 20:55.57 | abrotman | gowrav: are you still running synaptic ? |
| 20:56.00 | rahul | fucking disney |
| 20:56.07 | rahul | !penixstrike disney |
| 20:56.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking disney to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:56.09 | abrotman | rahul: he's dead |
| 20:56.11 | Andy1078 | valdyn: A "normal" diff looks like: first line: source file, second line: modified file: third line: line number, following lines marked with --- / +++ representing the source or modified line. But due the fact that i only used "diff -r" NOT "diff -Naur" my diff file looks like first line "diff -r source modified" second line: line number And patch tries to interpret the second line as filename |
| 20:56.15 | SpeedyG | abrotman: he canceled after I told him (again) |
| 20:56.15 | alaK | anyone ? |
| 20:56.24 | rahul | abrotman: well, the company, not the founder |
| 20:56.25 | abrotman | SpeedyG: ? |
| 20:56.27 | SpeedyG | s/canceled/closed/ |
| 20:56.31 | abrotman | closed ? |
| 20:56.39 | SpeedyG | he closed synaptic |
| 20:56.44 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 20:56.54 | Lonnie | Thanks valdyn, I'll give that a try, all manner of stuff in there I cleaned out. |
| 20:56.57 | abrotman | gowrav: that 160MB is security updates |
| 20:56.59 | SpeedyG | but since it was 160MB, and he had a slow line, he decided to cancel the dist-upgrade ;) |
| 20:57.10 | abrotman | hard to get nvidia going otherwise .. but whatever |
| 20:57.43 | mesof | abrotman: it seems sun-java6-jre didn't work |
| 20:57.55 | mesof | for iceweasel at least |
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| 20:59.15 | Lonnie | Later all. |
| 20:59.17 | iT|Freel | thx to all of you! |
| 20:59.19 | iT|Freel | bye bye |
| 20:59.19 | Andy1078 | valdyn: thank for you guess, but i'll patch the 8k by hand now |
| 20:59.21 | gowrav | SpeedyG: yes ;) |
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| 20:59.59 | abrotman | mesof: is there a plugin package ? |
| 21:00.11 | abrotman | mesof: try sun-java6-plugin |
| 21:00.13 | mesof | like what would it be labeled? |
| 21:00.17 | abrotman | java is such a pain |
| 21:00.59 | mesof | no sun-java6-plugin |
| 21:01.02 | vlt | Hello. I want to setup a router with traffic shaping over several devices (ppp0 and tun0). Is Debian a good choice for it? Does Etch support IMQ devices? |
| 21:01.08 | mesof | but there is a sun-java5-jre |
| 21:01.19 | abrotman | mesof: apt-cache search java plugin |
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| 21:01.35 | abrotman | vlt: does linux ? |
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| 21:02.01 | hark | mesof: try sun-java5-plugin |
| 21:02.08 | rahul | hrm |
| 21:02.20 | abrotman | hark: in sid though ? |
| 21:02.55 | vlt | abrotman: I don't know exactly. I think IMQ provides kernel patches. Maybe the Debian people decided to include into their kernel flavour ... |
| 21:03.00 | rahul | I don't think devildriver's guitars are layered enough |
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| 21:03.08 | mesof | abrotman: gcjwebplugin? |
| 21:03.15 | mesof | sun-java5-jre is instlaled |
| 21:03.21 | rahul | I wonder if they even did two tracks. |
| 21:03.22 | hark | oh sid, there's java5 in sid too |
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| 21:03.34 | hark | mesof: amd64? |
| 21:03.56 | abrotman | mesof: heh .. no |
| 21:03.58 | mesof | nothing |
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| 21:04.03 | mesof | i can't find it |
| 21:04.16 | mocha | hello, does anyone know of an app that can generate a jewel case cover using a list of files under a directory and sub-directories? |
| 21:04.24 | abrotman | vlt: i'm not sure .. you could ask the debian-kernel mailing list or try #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:04.29 | rahul | hrm, yeah. forget devildriver. |
| 21:04.50 | mesof | sun-java6-bin? |
| 21:05.06 | troubled | mocha: ls | lp? ;) |
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| 21:05.08 | benjamindees | god didn't there used to be like twelve apps that would generate jewel case covers... |
| 21:05.18 | rahul | hrm. this bruce dickinson song almost sounds like it could be a pearl jam song |
| 21:05.25 | rahul | heh, from iron maiden to pearl jam |
| 21:05.36 | vlt | abrotman: thank you. |
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| 21:05.47 | rahul | troubled: I think he wants find :) |
| 21:05.53 | mesof | abrotman: ? |
| 21:05.56 | rahul | find -type f | lp |
| 21:06.02 | mocha | ls | lp sends the list to the printer |
| 21:06.22 | mocha | rahul: let me try |
| 21:06.44 | rahul | you don't want to print the jewel case cover? |
| 21:06.58 | mocha | I do |
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| 21:07.19 | mocha | isn't ls | lp going to just print it at 8.5x 11? |
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| 21:07.24 | troubled | rahul: oh, you wanna hear a song that is close to another artist? try "The Cult - Painted on my heart" vs. the Supertramp lead vocal |
| 21:07.27 | leftyfb | how can I tell what network drivers are going to be loaded by just looking at the filesystem? I can't boot to it. |
| 21:07.38 | troubled | rahul: heh ya I was jk with him |
| 21:07.46 | troubled | oh nm lol nice rahul |
| 21:07.57 | rahul | heh |
| 21:08.06 | rahul | mocha: if that's how big the listing is |
| 21:08.22 | rahul | mocha: don't put so much on the CD if you want less on it :P |
| 21:08.33 | mocha | isn't there anything like a jewel case layout program? |
| 21:08.43 | rahul | troubled: oh, there's lots of songs that are dead ringers for another band |
| 21:08.44 | leftyfb | anyone? |
| 21:08.57 | rahul | troubled: astral doors's singer and dio |
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| 21:09.03 | Eulex | leftyfb, hardware is usually autodetected at boot and modules are loaded automatically for the right hardware. |
| 21:09.08 | rahul | just add crack |
| 21:09.13 | troubled | rahul: dio, god, havent heard them in ages |
| 21:09.25 | rahul | troubled: killswitch engage did an awesome cover of holy diver |
| 21:09.34 | rahul | it's their newest video |
| 21:09.40 | rahul | you can download it |
| 21:09.51 | dogmeat | folks i have a block device that i want to mount, but it does not show in /dev/, only it is listed in /proc/devices as "Block devices: 117 cobd" after 1 ramdisk and 7 loop |
| 21:09.52 | troubled | i speak urls my lad |
| 21:09.58 | rahul | troubled: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/KillswitchEngage/video.aspx |
| 21:10.15 | benjamindees | mocha, disc-cover for one |
| 21:10.15 | dogmeat | how can i mount the block device? |
| 21:10.27 | leftyfb | Eulex , i'm imaging machines but one of the images after being installed doesn't seem to be loading the network drivers .. or so i'm assuming. The custom kernel we are using has broken /dev/console do i can't login locally. I can only look at the filesystem that's being imaged to make sure the right drivers are being installed. |
| 21:10.40 | mocha | disc-cover, hang on while I look that up |
| 21:10.40 | rahul | http://media.roadrunnerworld.com/KillswitchEngage/Killswitchengage_HolyDiver_450.wmv |
| 21:11.07 | troubled | quicktime baby! |
| 21:11.08 | Eulex | leftyfb, if unsure whether it will be able to detect your hardware, put the modules it should load in /etc/modules. |
| 21:12.04 | benjamindees | leftyfb, sounds like a broken initrd |
| 21:12.16 | troubled | rahul: nice. i know another band that has a sound like that. see if i can think of the name. used to table top game to all this stuff |
| 21:12.23 | Eulex | leftyfb, if you're asking where modules are stored, they're stored in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel |
| 21:12.41 | Eulex | benjamindees, network drivers in an initrd? |
| 21:12.55 | benjamindees | Eulex, now did I say that? |
| 21:13.01 | rahul | hrm, I'm not familiar with the early metalcore bands |
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| 21:13.47 | Eulex | benjamindees, how else could a broken initrd cause network drivers to not be loaded? |
| 21:13.50 | rahul | the sound quality on that wmv kinda sucks |
| 21:13.54 | SpeedyG | rahul: KSE is ncie :> |
| 21:13.58 | SpeedyG | *nice |
| 21:14.11 | rahul | yeah |
| 21:14.25 | benjamindees | Eulex, by preventing the system from booting? |
| 21:14.29 | rahul | I also like their other recent single, the arms of sorrow. the video for that is AMAZING |
| 21:14.39 | troubled | rahul: the quicktime was good here |
| 21:14.52 | Eulex | benjamindees, well. true. |
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| 21:15.04 | Eulex | leftyfb, but the system was booting correctly, right? |
| 21:15.11 | leftyfb | yup |
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| 21:15.32 | tosh| | can I just put a groupname after another groupname to make a subgroup in /etc/group ? |
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| 21:16.05 | leftyfb | here's the thing ... this is originally an image for a Dell PowerEdge 850. We have copied the initrd from a base image from a 1950 into this one to get it to work on a 1950 |
| 21:16.20 | alex^^ | hi, ive just installed a new kernel, compiled it from source VIA xen - but when it boots it says root= flag is wrong, when i check grub - its the same as other kernels root= /dev/sda1 |
| 21:16.22 | alex^^ | any clues? |
| 21:16.26 | leftyfb | i'm guessing the 850 filesystem doesn't have the right drivers/modules for the network interfaces |
| 21:16.32 | daidalus13 | can somebody know what is wrong with this line in my sources.list? (aptitude complains): 'deb ftp://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free' |
| 21:17.11 | GrahamA | alex^^: To be clear, it's a grub problem? |
| 21:17.20 | abrotman | daidalus13: missing the trailing / ? |
| 21:17.27 | abrotman | deb ftp://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 21:17.40 | GrahamA | daidalus13: I'll paste mine |
| 21:17.44 | GrahamA | Nevermind |
| 21:17.49 | GrahamA | Unless you want it to be sure |
| 21:17.55 | mesof | abrotman: i still don't think i have the package right |
| 21:17.56 | abrotman | not hard to test :) |
| 21:18.01 | alex^^ | GrahamA: not sure it says it cant find the superblock etc at (0,0) or at /dev/sda1 which is setup exactly the same as other kernels |
| 21:18.17 | alex^^ | GrahamA: do you think i screwed up my kernel compile somehow? |
| 21:18.18 | abrotman | mesof: you need a plugin package .. apt-cache search java plugin .. doyou have anything with 'sun' in it ? |
| 21:18.31 | GrahamA | alex^^: Could you post a bit of your menu file? |
| 21:18.38 | daidalus13 | GramaA: Let me try this, although I doubt this is the problem... brb |
| 21:18.44 | alex^^ | !paste |
| 21:18.45 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 21:19.10 | rahul | yeah, the mov has much better sound quality |
| 21:19.19 | mesof | abrotman: could it have been sun-java6-bin? because i think it's working now. |
| 21:19.23 | tosh| | any way of putting a group into a group in /etc/group? I tried specifiying a group as a member of another group but apparantly that doesn't work? neither putting it in normally or the samba way like @some_group ? |
| 21:19.27 | benjamindees | leftyfb, you have physical access to the machine? |
| 21:19.27 | GrahamA | alex^^: Are you telling me off for asking you to paste 1 line? |
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| 21:19.33 | abrotman | mesof: the plugin ... |
| 21:19.52 | alex^^ | GrahamA: http://rafb.net/p/UerDa842.html |
| 21:19.54 | daidalus13 | GrahamA: can you /msg me your line? |
| 21:19.58 | alex^^ | GrahamA: just getting the link |
| 21:20.09 | alex^^ | :) |
| 21:20.13 | abrotman | daidalus13: the one i gave oyu still didn't work ? |
| 21:20.24 | leftyfb | BenderUnit22 , yes, but like I said, /dev/console is broken. That's something that other people in my department need to fix and they unfortunately don't have the time right now |
| 21:20.29 | alex^^ | GrahamA: i tried it with and without console=tty0 |
| 21:20.46 | abrotman | daidalus13: use http:// instead of ftp:// |
| 21:20.52 | benjamindees | heh, I am not a bender unit |
| 21:20.55 | Knutimus | Hi guys, in a desperate attempt to get the latest ffmpeg (doing some transcoding), I opened up for 'unstable' and downloaded it. It also (which I ofcouse didn't notice) upgraded libc. Now the compiler doesn't work and I don't want to upgrade my whole system to unstable, so my question is: Is it possible to go back 40 minutes and restore those packages i had then? |
| 21:20.56 | leftyfb | I can boot to a debian cd and mount the local drive .. but that's the same thing as much just looking at the filesystem that is being imaged |
| 21:20.58 | alex^^ | GrahamA: ah right i dont think there is a initrd there |
| 21:21.16 | mesof | abrotman: yeah |
| 21:21.24 | daidalus13 | abrotman: hold on.. brb |
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| 21:22.07 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 21:22.07 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
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| 21:22.19 | GrahamA | daidalus13: Gimme a moment. |
| 21:22.32 | GrahamA | I'm actually a kubuntu user... I just chill here... lemme mount my debian partition |
| 21:22.37 | sarixe | i have a canon ip4000r on my network. anyone know how i can print from debian? |
| 21:22.47 | benjamindees | leftyfb, and you are absolutely sure it is booting past the initial ramdisk? |
| 21:23.13 | alex^^ | GrahamA: any clues? |
| 21:23.25 | leftyfb | yeah, it's fully booted. Gives a login prompt. But it won't accept my login info since /dev/console is broken |
| 21:23.32 | benjamindees | okay |
| 21:24.12 | GrahamA | daidalus13: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 21:25.09 | GrahamA | daidalus13: I suppose you just replace etch with sarge |
| 21:26.10 | daidalus13 | abrotman:the one you gave me did not work. i tried with ftp.. not http |
| 21:26.41 | GrahamA | alex^^: I don't think I could give you much help, sorry man |
| 21:26.49 | mesof | abrotman: it's gotten closer to working, but it still doesn't |
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| 21:26.59 | mesof | i've installed a few different packages now |
| 21:27.04 | niagin | how stable is testing? |
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| 21:27.13 | SpeedyG | daidalus13: you're looking for sarge mirrors ? |
| 21:27.20 | troubled | niagin: less stable than stable |
| 21:27.20 | daidalus13 | GramaA: I want the irish mirror because it has consistently the best nselect score |
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| 21:27.44 | niagin | troubled: does it work? |
| 21:27.56 | troubled | niagin: more specifically, more stable than unstable, but not as stable as stable. kinda like testing |
| 21:27.58 | pickcoder | daidalus13: bugs.debian.org |
| 21:28.07 | pickcoder | gah |
| 21:28.09 | pickcoder | wrong nick |
| 21:28.14 | hark | mesof: sun-java6-plugin is what you need |
| 21:28.20 | troubled | niagin: </sarcasm> |
| 21:28.24 | SpeedyG | abrotman: if I have stable/main as mirrors for a sarge box ... will it, now that etch is stable, get etch packages instead? o_0 |
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| 21:28.31 | niagin | troubled: i noticed. |
| 21:28.37 | pickcoder | niagin: bugs.debian.org |
| 21:28.41 | mesof | hark: where can i find it? |
| 21:28.43 | pickcoder | look at the main list of bugs |
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| 21:29.04 | daidalus13 | SpeedyG yes. and I see that for me the irish one is the best. However, this line from my sources.list makes aptitude give an error: deb ftp://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 21:29.19 | hark | mesof: what does uname -r say? |
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| 21:29.35 | daidalus13 | abrotman: I will try it with http |
| 21:29.57 | benjamindees | daidalus13, it should be debian/sarge not debian/ sarge |
| 21:30.04 | mesof | 2.6.22-1-amd64 |
| 21:30.09 | edwin_quijada | You need to be identified to join that channel. How solve this ? |
| 21:30.12 | hark | mesof: no 64 bit sun java plugin yet afaik |
| 21:30.18 | mesof | oh |
| 21:30.21 | mesof | when will it be out? |
| 21:30.26 | mesof | do you have any insight? |
| 21:30.27 | pickcoder | edwin_quijada: register your nick and identify with NickServ |
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| 21:30.32 | daidalus13 | benjamindees... why? |
| 21:30.37 | edwin_quijada | how can i do that? |
| 21:30.44 | pickcoder | edwin_quijada: /msg nickserv help |
| 21:30.50 | edwin_quijada | thks! |
| 21:31.00 | hark | mesof: yeah, moment |
| 21:31.29 | SpeedyG | pickcoder: do you have a clue to my question? :) |
| 21:31.41 | daidalus13 | pickcoder: bugs.debian.org? |
| 21:32.13 | mesof | thanks tons hark |
| 21:32.19 | hark | mesof: from 2003 :http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=4802695 |
| 21:32.19 | mesof | you're saving my porfolio! |
| 21:32.21 | pickcoder | daidalus13: yeah.. look at the bugs that haven't been resolved |
| 21:32.29 | pickcoder | if you want to know how unstable it is |
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| 21:33.14 | pickcoder | SpeedyG: oldstable is sarge |
| 21:33.20 | pickcoder | stable is currently 4.0 / Etch |
| 21:33.30 | pickcoder | change your sources.list to use a release name instead of stable/testing/unstable |
| 21:33.38 | SpeedyG | pickcoder: yeah, I know.. but I just noticed that i've got stable/main in my apt-sources list |
| 21:33.40 | mesof | hark: says it's in progress |
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| 21:33.47 | mesof | hey thanks for the help i'll look out for it |
| 21:33.54 | SpeedyG | and i've used aptitude update && aptitude upgrade since etch became stable |
| 21:34.07 | pickcoder | SpeedyG: then you would have gotten 4.0 packages |
| 21:34.17 | pickcoder | change it to etch and do a dist-upgrade |
| 21:34.50 | pickcoder | actually |
| 21:34.58 | pickcoder | !tell SpeedyG about sarge->etch |
| 21:35.11 | SpeedyG | ah, thanks, that was the item I was searching for ;) |
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| 21:37.52 | p-a-v | hi, I did "apt-src install epiphany-browser". where to look for instructions to build a debian package from this source? |
| 21:38.05 | Knutimus | Hi guys, in a desperate attempt to get the latest ffmpeg (doing some transcoding), I opened up for 'unstable' and downloaded it. It also (which I ofcouse didn't notice) upgraded libc. Now the compiler doesn't work and I don't want to upgrade my whole system to unstable, so my question is: Is it possible to go back 40 minutes and restore those packages i had then? |
| 21:38.16 | cydork | p-a-v: why do you want to build it? |
| 21:38.45 | hark | Knutimus: unless you got backups, not really |
| 21:38.51 | p-a-v | cydork: to see why it freezes.. for bug #440847 |
| 21:39.17 | SpeedyG | oh, and does tar -czvvf also take the dotfiles with it in a .tar file ? |
| 21:40.04 | p-a-v | cydork: and try to fix it |
| 21:40.22 | benjamindees | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:40.23 | dpkg | methinks dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. to make a package without knowing what you're doing, install fakeroot and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. |
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| 21:40.54 | p-a-v | benjamindees: thanks |
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| 21:41.18 | cydork | p-a-v: and why will building it will solve the bug? |
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| 21:41.58 | p-a-v | cydork: erm.. so that I could get a coredump.. |
| 21:42.20 | benjamindees | Knutimus, old packages may still be in /var/cache/apt; perhaps you can boot from a rescue disk and restore them |
| 21:42.38 | cydork | p-a-v: also check /msg dpkg source |
| 21:42.40 | bazz | i have a package i forced an install of because i know the dependancy it was complaining about wouldn't be a problem. but now every time i want to apt-get something it complains and won't do it without apt-get -f install which wants to remove my package. what can i do to just tell apt/dpkg to stop worrying about the dependancy? |
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| 21:43.00 | p-a-v | cydork: ok |
| 21:43.05 | chops | bazz: Rebuild the package not to have that dependency? :-) |
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| 21:44.17 | bazz | chops: i didn't build the package :) |
| 21:44.29 | vlt | Hello. Do I need samba to offer windows clients a printer driver or is this possible via ipp and CUPS only, too? |
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| 21:44.48 | pickcoder | vlt: using netbios shares? |
| 21:44.53 | chops | bazz: Alternatively you could build a trivial package that Provides: the dependency. I don't know of any simpler way to persuade apt that a particular dependency is satisfied, though. |
| 21:45.04 | flixil | Is there a way to tell debian to modprobe a module like snd_seq at startup other than /etc/modules? Because there is an script /etc/init.d/timidity that fails because of that module lack and i don't want to insert "modprobe snd_seq" in timidity because it's quite ugly to be done... Thanks |
| 21:45.21 | bazz | chops: jeez that's ugly |
| 21:45.37 | benjamindees | vlt, it is little known, but windows will use lpr printers just fine |
| 21:45.44 | cydork | bazz: Dependencies are there for a reason. also check equivs |
| 21:45.49 | vlt | pickcoder: The client accesses the printer via "http://host:631/printers/PrinterName" and then complains about the server not offering a driver. |
| 21:46.24 | bazz | cydork: how would i do that? |
| 21:46.26 | cydork | bazz: with equivs you can stop dpkg complaining but make sure it doesn't break anything. |
| 21:46.36 | vlt | benjamindees: What's lpr? |
| 21:46.50 | benjamindees | vlt, ignore me, it's not pertinent |
| 21:46.54 | Spiritus55 | Should I be worried if /var fills up? |
| 21:46.54 | chops | bazz: So is installing packages without their dependencies. It might be useful sometimes to be able to satisfy dependencies manually when you know it's okay, but it's not something that will ever happen on a Debian system is everything is happening correctly. |
| 21:46.59 | chops | Spiritus55: Yes |
| 21:47.07 | pickcoder | vlt: http://www.owlfish.com/thoughts/winipp-cups-2003-07-20.html |
| 21:47.10 | flixil | exponent:/media# whatis lpr /n lpr (1) - print files |
| 21:47.10 | Spiritus55 | can I delete data in it? |
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| 21:47.19 | Spiritus55 | And if so, what data can I delete? |
| 21:47.25 | Spiritus55 | Because I have about 300 megabytes left. |
| 21:47.32 | bazz | chops: nod |
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| 21:47.52 | flixil | Spiritus55, delete all old in /var/log if you don't care for example |
| 21:48.03 | abrotman | daidalus13: did it work ? |
| 21:48.12 | abrotman | SpeedyG: yes |
| 21:48.38 | Spiritus55 | flixil: /var/log, can I totally wipe that directory? |
| 21:48.46 | rox | Spiritus55: you could also do an apt-get clean if you don't need old packages |
| 21:49.00 | Spiritus55 | ok. |
| 21:49.02 | diafic | 2.6.22 breaks audio |
| 21:49.04 | diafic | D: |
| 21:49.15 | flixil | Spiritus55, it depends on you, i use to take a look on those logs |
| 21:49.16 | rox | Spiritus55: no, but if you don't need old logs, just delete everything zipped |
| 21:49.21 | zinx | diafic: not here :/ |
| 21:49.27 | zinx | diafic: using the same driver no less |
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| 21:49.37 | Spiritus55 | rox: ok, thanks.k |
| 21:49.52 | diafic | zinx, D: |
| 21:50.45 | chops | Spiritus55: du is also your friend for finding what's big in /var/log (and hopefully tracking down what it was that filled it up) |
| 21:51.08 | Spiritus55 | Well, the partition was only 3 gigs to begin with. |
| 21:51.19 | Spiritus55 | Chops: a little bigger than 3 gigs, but you get the point. |
| 21:52.22 | xored | how to shredder a partion safly ? |
| 21:52.29 | chops | Spiritus55: Hm, it will still behoove you to investigate a little more. If you just delete /var/log/*.3.gz, then in a few weeks it'll get full again and you'll be back where you started |
| 21:52.41 | Knutimus | is gcc installed by default? |
| 21:52.44 | chops | xored: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 (or whatever the partition is) is a pretty good bet |
| 21:52.53 | chops | xored: Be careful with your choice of partition... |
| 21:52.53 | xored | ok |
| 21:53.04 | Spiritus55 | chops: should it fill up that fast? I don't of anyone who would ddos me, or something like that to fill up /var (I'm not a server) |
| 21:53.04 | pickcoder | Knutimus: depends on what you selected during the install |
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| 21:53.34 | Knutimus | pickcoder: probably the least amount of packages |
| 21:53.37 | pickcoder | standard system, no.. install build-essential |
| 21:53.54 | chops | Spiritus55: It shouldn't fill up on its own, but depending on what you delete you may be only pursuing a temporary solution (/var/log is one of those) |
| 21:54.14 | bazz | okay, so my package wants libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), when i apt-get that it tells me it's replaced by libqt3-mt and that i have version 3:3.3.7-6 installed, so why is it complaining? |
| 21:54.15 | Spiritus55 | chops: I'll investigate it. |
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| 21:54.46 | mpthx | #dyne |
| 21:54.46 | rox | Spiritus55: every package upgrade fills /var |
| 21:55.05 | Spiritus55 | rox: is that needed data that fills it up? |
| 21:55.20 | rox | Spida: package cache resides in /var |
| 21:55.22 | abrotman | Spiritus55: it caches packages .. but also puts package bits in /var/ |
| 21:55.28 | abrotman | you can delete the package cache if you want |
| 21:55.48 | vlt | pickcoder: I've read your link but can't find the info how to let CUPS offer the windows driver. Did I miss something? |
| 21:56.06 | rox | Spiritus55: well, some people like to keep old packages |
| 21:56.11 | Spiritus55 | rox: I don't. |
| 21:56.26 | rox | Spiritus55: especially if you are running unstanble, it's wise to keep old packages |
| 21:56.34 | abrotman | rox: snapshot.debian.net |
| 21:56.39 | Spiritus55 | rox: I'm running etch stable... |
| 21:57.06 | rox | Spiritus55: you delete your package cache by running apt-get clean |
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| 21:57.14 | Spiritus55 | rox: I just did that. |
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| 21:57.38 | rox | Spiritus55: then you don't have any more old packages |
| 21:57.50 | Spiritus55 | rox: I'm checking if that cleared up much at all. |
| 21:58.01 | rox | Spiritus55: did it release enough space for your needs? |
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| 21:58.16 | Spiritus55 | rox: WOW! Deleted like 2 gigs... |
| 21:58.18 | daidalus13 | quiz question: where does the name debian come from? |
| 21:58.20 | abrotman | Spiritus55: you can also modify the logrotate bits to keep fewer old logs (if that's an optoin for you) |
| 21:58.33 | abrotman | daidalus13: Ian Murdock and his wife Deb |
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| 21:58.41 | abrotman | !meaning of debian |
| 21:58.43 | abrotman | bah |
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| 21:58.59 | nvz | deb+ian |
| 21:59.09 | nvz | Debroah & Ian Murdoch |
| 21:59.11 | abrotman | !debian name origin |
| 21:59.11 | dpkg | i guess debian name origin is Debian is a name comprised of Ian Murdock's Wife's name, Deborah, and his name, Ian. |
| 21:59.13 | hark | !name |
| 21:59.13 | dpkg | name is, like, The name comes from the names of the creator of Debian, Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. (See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/) |
| 21:59.34 | rox | Spiritus55: next time you can think whether you really need a separate /var partition |
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| 21:59.49 | daidalus13 | abrotman and nvz: well done! As for my sources.list problem, I posted it on forums.debian.net. see you soon. |
| 22:00.16 | Spiritus55 | rox: it is a seperate partition. |
| 22:00.16 | abrotman | daidalus13: still didn't work ? |
| 22:00.16 | rox | Spiritus55: old install tutorials recommend it, but these days it's not needed any more, unless you are running mail servers or similar |
| 22:00.22 | abrotman | daidalus13: what's the error you're getting ? |
| 22:00.31 | rox | Spiritus55: you told us it is |
| 22:00.34 | abrotman | rox: if your mail is stored in /var/ |
| 22:00.40 | daidalus13 | abrotman: cannot find the directory on the URI location. |
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| 22:00.50 | Spiritus55 | rox: and /usr shouldn't be full either? What could I do to clean that up? (and what's stored in there?) |
| 22:00.51 | rox | Spiritus55: i was trying to point out, that maybe you don't need /var to be a separate partition |
| 22:00.51 | abrotman | daidalus13: what is the line you're using now ? |
| 22:01.03 | rox | abrotman: indeed - i was just using it as an example |
| 22:01.07 | abrotman | daidalus13: there's also another ireland mirror (http://debian.org/mirrors/list) |
| 22:01.11 | en1gma | explody you still here? |
| 22:01.14 | abrotman | rox: you left out databases :) |
| 22:01.39 | abrotman | and oodles of other things that get dumped there |
| 22:01.42 | en1gma | i hate BRIDGING |
| 22:01.45 | rox | Spiritus55: if you don't know what is in /usr, then you generally shouldn't touch it |
| 22:01.47 | en1gma | it dont work right ever |
| 22:01.54 | abrotman | works for me :) |
| 22:01.58 | en1gma | omg |
| 22:02.07 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:02.07 | rox | Spiritus55: and usually there is nothing in /usr one could delete without consequences |
| 22:02.08 | Spiritus55 | rox: is it commands and whatnot? Or is that /bin... |
| 22:02.12 | en1gma | i giving up on it |
| 22:02.21 | Spiritus55 | rox: So? just leave it alone? |
| 22:02.25 | en1gma | i think i just need to add a router with my seperate subnets |
| 22:02.26 | abrotman | en1gma: it's not the easiest thing to get going .. |
| 22:02.28 | rox | Spiritus55: all your applications and libraries are in /usr |
| 22:02.32 | en1gma | think it would be alot easier |
| 22:02.39 | rox | Spiritus55: apart from a few that reside in /bin |
| 22:02.51 | Spiritus55 | rox: thanks for the help |
| 22:02.59 | abrotman | or /sbin/ |
| 22:03.00 | rox | Spiritus55: yes, yu best leave /usr alone, leave /bin alone too |
| 22:03.01 | en1gma | its got me pretty confused as far as tracking down why its not working |
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| 22:03.06 | daidalus13 | thx abrotman. I will have a look at that too. Have to go now. I you like you can see my post in http://forums.debian.net See the System configuration sub-forum. See you around |
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| 22:03.35 | abrotman | jesus .. i told him to put a / in there |
| 22:04.10 | en1gma | but i dont think i really need it anyhow...think it causes more problems then it really fixes: ex: have to add tons more in kernel .config have to add more pkds such as bridge-utils and ebtables....when you plug a computer into one of the bridged nics it resets its topology |
| 22:04.21 | en1gma | with seperate subnets none of that has to be done |
| 22:04.38 | action09 | hi all, any link to install/configure nagios on a remote box , the Debian way ? i prefer to install from Debian sources.. binay packages .. do i have to install apache2 and nagios-text ? correct ? |
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| 22:04.47 | themill | en1gma: if you didn't remove things from the kernel config, you'd not need to add them back in.... |
| 22:04.49 | diego | hi |
| 22:04.52 | action09 | it's for monitoring of my dedicated server only; |
| 22:04.53 | diego | hi |
| 22:04.59 | action09 | hi diego hi |
| 22:05.03 | en1gma | themill you are correct |
| 22:05.04 | en1gma | :) |
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| 22:05.20 | en1gma | well depending on which defconfig you use |
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| 22:05.41 | en1gma | if you make oldconfig with an installed debian kernel then you are most likely correct |
| 22:05.45 | diego | i added this in /etc/network/interfaces iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 ... but when i reboot it wont apply |
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| 22:05.48 | diego | what is wrong/ |
| 22:06.01 | diego | what do i need to put there so it will configure automatically |
| 22:06.03 | en1gma | BUT if you use the defconfig in /usr/src/arch/i386 then no |
| 22:06.24 | en1gma | ifup eth0 |
| 22:06.33 | diego | en1gma: at the end? |
| 22:06.33 | en1gma | or auto eth0 |
| 22:06.50 | en1gma | see at the top where the "auto lo" is make it "auto lo eth0" |
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| 22:07.11 | diego | en1gma: ok |
| 22:07.15 | en1gma | then |
| 22:07.21 | sarixe | anyone know where to get the cups driver for dell AIO 922? |
| 22:07.27 | en1gma | ./etc/network/interfaces if you have it so its executable |
| 22:07.44 | themill | en1gma: wtf? |
| 22:07.45 | en1gma | and you wont have to restart box to see |
| 22:07.45 | azeem | en1gma: eh? It's a config file |
| 22:07.50 | en1gma | i know |
| 22:07.58 | en1gma | but you can execute it i do it all the time |
| 22:07.59 | azeem | en1gma: then why are you saying this? |
| 22:08.08 | themill | diego: you don't need to make /etc/network/interfaces executable |
| 22:08.11 | en1gma | what are you talking bout |
| 22:08.19 | en1gma | chnod it... |
| 22:08.23 | en1gma | its easy |
| 22:08.28 | sarixe | themill : * diego has quit (Client Quit) |
| 22:08.34 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:08.40 | en1gma | prob better he dont do that anyhow |
| 22:08.50 | themill | en1gma: are you a saddistic shit or are you just plain dumb? |
| 22:09.00 | en1gma | and a config file is actually a script and scripts can be executed |
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| 22:09.08 | azeem | en1gma: it's not a script |
| 22:09.10 | azeem | it's a config file |
| 22:09.16 | c_newbie | crap.. |
| 22:09.19 | en1gma | hmm |
| 22:09.21 | themill | en1gma: go on then... execute it as a script and pastebin the output for us |
| 22:09.24 | en1gma | man works when i exe it |
| 22:09.29 | c_newbie | the raid doesn work |
| 22:09.30 | c_newbie | :( |
| 22:09.35 | en1gma | k 1 sec |
| 22:09.40 | en1gma | logging into putty |
| 22:09.43 | SpeedyG | if i've got a custom kernel running on a sarge box, and I want to upgrade it to etch, can this be done without a problem? (kernel 2.6.22.3) |
| 22:09.43 | explody | en1gma: yes |
| 22:09.58 | explody | en1gma: what's up |
| 22:10.16 | en1gma | maybe i thinking my /etc/network/firewall is executable |
| 22:10.33 | azeem | en1gma: if you're doing support in here, you shouldn't think, you should know |
| 22:10.37 | en1gma | i dont want to pastebin the output :) |
| 22:10.50 | themill | ffs |
| 22:10.56 | en1gma | azeem what i said couldnt hurt no one machine |
| 22:10.59 | en1gma | so RELAX |
| 22:11.02 | sarixe | anyone know how to detect network printers that aren't connected to computers? |
| 22:11.13 | azeem | en1gma: the point is, you're giving wrong advise without double checking |
| 22:11.14 | en1gma | i know how far i can go and i bet his network WORKS when he reboots |
| 22:11.18 | en1gma | and he thmx me |
| 22:11.20 | troubled | sarixe: ping? |
| 22:11.26 | en1gma | i bet his network works |
| 22:11.28 | azeem | en1gma: next time there could be damage |
| 22:11.32 | en1gma | nooo |
| 22:11.35 | azeem | en1gma: and why would he have to reboot? |
| 22:11.39 | sarixe | troubled : i mean with one of those samba scanner things for printer configs |
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| 22:11.41 | en1gma | you should here the advice i get in here |
| 22:11.47 | en1gma | my damn bridge still dont work |
| 22:11.48 | benjamindees | sarixe, technically there is no difference between one that is 'connected to a computer' and not |
| 22:12.00 | azeem | en1gma: that doesn't mean you should give others advise |
| 22:12.04 | explody | en1gma: oh? what is it doing |
| 22:12.06 | en1gma | had to add my vcard and keyboard and mouse from the damage from the advice i got |
| 22:12.11 | sarixe | benjamindees : yes there is... i only see computers in the printer config, not the printer |
| 22:12.12 | troubled | sarixe: via ipp kinda thing? possible i suppose depending on what protocol it speaks |
| 22:12.13 | en1gma | not from you |
| 22:12.16 | en1gma | yesterday |
| 22:12.19 | benjamindees | sarixe, I suppose you could search for jetdirect ports, but that's vendor specific |
| 22:12.22 | sarixe | troubled : samba |
| 22:12.22 | en1gma | i been on this 3 days |
| 22:12.28 | sarixe | benjamindees : canon |
| 22:12.56 | en1gma | anyhow dont try and even single me out "azeem and themill" when ppl give not great advice in here |
| 22:12.58 | troubled | sarixe: it speak smb protcol? if so then i would suppose smbclient would show a printer share |
| 22:13.06 | en1gma | after all it is advice you take it or leave it |
| 22:13.14 | sarixe | troubled : it doesn't... it's not connected to a computer |
| 22:13.19 | explody | en1gma: calm down and tell me what your bridge is doing |
| 22:13.24 | sarixe | technically, it should show up as its own computer, or something |
| 22:13.32 | azeem | en1gma: we don't single you out, we just mention it where we see it |
| 22:13.40 | troubled | sarixe: as i said, try smbclient on its ip address |
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| 22:13.46 | sarixe | i don't know the ip... |
| 22:13.49 | en1gma | explody it jsut really gets me going....its always about the same 3 ppl that take jabs when you help ppl |
| 22:13.59 | troubled | sarixe: ping the broadcast and look at the arp tables or watch for a reply from it |
| 22:14.02 | azeem | en1gma: your advise was just so extraordinary senseless that it stuck out easily |
| 22:14.03 | themill | sarixe: can you press the button on the front and get it to print a test page? |
| 22:14.09 | en1gma | explody basically its just not working |
| 22:14.12 | en1gma | no errors |
| 22:14.15 | troubled | themill: even better idea :) |
| 22:14.15 | en1gma | it hangs |
| 22:14.17 | sarixe | themill |
| 22:14.18 | sarixe | ack |
| 22:14.20 | explody | en1gma: what hangs? |
| 22:14.21 | sarixe | themill : no |
| 22:14.34 | sarixe | themill : i've never heard of such a thing |
| 22:14.44 | sarixe | troubled : 255.255.255.0? |
| 22:15.10 | troubled | sarixe: although if it does block smurfs, pinging broadcast wont help. better to use something like ettercap to scan the subnet and do the ip/arp lookups for you |
| 22:15.17 | troubled | sarixe: no, like 192.168.1.255 |
| 22:15.20 | en1gma | oh well i tried a few things...your interfaces file....and part of that guide and as far as i got was ...br0 = eth2 eth3 eth4 eth5 (successfully) but lan computers could not connect to net and were not getting ips/dns issued |
| 22:15.21 | sarixe | aye |
| 22:15.23 | themill | sarixe: ;( most printers will do that for you... Hold down the button and it will print a self-test page or on fancier printers, go through a menu system to find print config page or similar. |
| 22:15.32 | en1gma | eth1 could connect to net on host computer |
| 22:16.06 | sarixe | troubled : it only comes back with one host |
| 22:16.10 | sarixe | and all failed packets |
| 22:16.12 | snowbird | themill is it laser printer? |
| 22:16.24 | troubled | sarixe: whas it the printer or not? |
| 22:16.32 | sarixe | troubled : i don't know... lemme smbclient it |
| 22:16.38 | en1gma | explody i dont think br0 was communicating to well with eth1 |
| 22:16.41 | sarixe | but when i ping that ip, the packets come back 100% |
| 22:16.51 | troubled | sarixe: do you not know your own network ip addresses? |
| 22:17.02 | sarixe | troubled : 10.189.46.* |
| 22:17.04 | troubled | sarixe: thats fine, that just means it accepts pings |
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| 22:17.25 | troubled | sarixe: what kind of network is this? |
| 22:17.25 | en1gma | ohh i remember...the interfaces file you had me put the info in upon boot would say something about "duplicate" errors |
| 22:17.32 | sarixe | troubled : wifi |
| 22:17.45 | troubled | sarixe: and it belongs to....? |
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| 22:17.49 | foutrelis | Hello. :) |
| 22:17.51 | sarixe | troubled : the printer itself has its own wifi, own antenna |
| 22:17.53 | en1gma | explody you still here? |
| 22:17.56 | benjamindees | sarixe, you're trying to connect to a networked printer from debian, correct? |
| 22:17.59 | sarixe | troubled : it's my network... don't worry |
| 22:18.06 | sarixe | benjamindees : yes |
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| 22:18.13 | benjamindees | sarixe, you should forget about samba |
| 22:18.15 | en1gma | brb getting a drink |
| 22:18.17 | sarixe | ...ok |
| 22:18.19 | troubled | sarixe: then read the manual that came with it to find out how to set and determine its ip |
| 22:18.25 | sarixe | aha |
| 22:18.27 | sarixe | good call |
| 22:18.39 | foutrelis | I am trying to install sun-java5-jre with aptitude but I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/684659 Has anyone dealt with this before? I'm running Etch. |
| 22:18.46 | snowbird | benjamindees, whats better than samba? |
| 22:18.58 | benjamindees | ipp, lpd, anything really |
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| 22:19.15 | sarixe | benjamindees : but i know for a fact that this works with samba... or whatever windows uses |
| 22:19.22 | themill | benjamindees: that's a big call... we don't know what the printer supports. There's a reasonable amount of soho stuff out there that's smb only |
| 22:19.27 | sarixe | windows uses samba for net printers, right? |
| 22:19.27 | benjamindees | just search all ips on the network for an open lpd or ipp port |
| 22:19.33 | troubled | sarixe: windows can use ipp or smb printer share |
| 22:19.34 | themill | sarixe: yes |
| 22:19.35 | en1gma | explody you asked me what kind of problems i was having |
| 22:19.38 | snowbird | benjamindees, i want to sahre a printer and files with windows i wounderr if there are new ways |
| 22:19.42 | sarixe | ipp... |
| 22:20.00 | sarixe | then what'd the URI be? |
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| 22:20.19 | troubled | sarixe: have you tried smbclient on the ip yet? |
| 22:20.30 | sarixe | troubled : i can't even figure out smbclient... |
| 22:20.31 | benjamindees | troubled, he doesn't even know the IP |
| 22:20.32 | themill | sarixe: if you use the cups config interface (www) it will help you with that |
| 22:20.43 | troubled | benjamindees: thats not my problem :) |
| 22:20.51 | sarixe | themill : where's that? |
| 22:20.55 | en1gma | ok to my understanding....bridging nics in a router box makes it possible for windows machines to do nfs is this correct? |
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| 22:21.01 | sarixe | benjamindees : i know _an_ ip |
| 22:21.13 | troubled | sarixe: ok, so 2 goals so far, 1) figure out how to set/get the ip and 2) figure out how to use smbclient to list the resources on that ip :) |
| 22:21.16 | en1gma | is that the only draw back from having nics on seperate networks |
| 22:21.19 | themill | sarixe: http://localhost:631/ (if you have a standard debian install etc etc) |
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| 22:21.32 | explody | en1gma: yes I'm here, I'm just at work so I'm not always at my desk |
| 22:21.37 | en1gma | ahhh |
| 22:21.41 | sarixe | themill : thanks |
| 22:21.43 | en1gma | no problem man |
| 22:22.09 | troubled | themill: localhost isnt gonna help on a remote printer :) |
| 22:22.10 | explody | so firewall function is not working, but is the bridge itself working? |
| 22:22.23 | explody | i.e. can you ping br0's IP from another machine on the inside? |
| 22:22.26 | themill | troubled: yes it will |
| 22:22.36 | en1gma | explody is the only bennifet from doing bridging the nics on a lan is so that the lan computers can talk to each other without nating? if that is the case what kind of problems does that mean |
| 22:22.38 | sarixe | themill : that's the problem though... i can't find the _name_ of the printer |
| 22:22.41 | en1gma | like what softwar dont work |
| 22:22.44 | sarixe | neither can anyone else |
| 22:22.44 | snowbird | can u tel cups to share printer? |
| 22:22.47 | troubled | themill: how is connecting to my localhost going to give me a remote ipp http? :) |
| 22:23.05 | sarixe | troubled : it's a config |
| 22:23.05 | explody | en1gma: bridging is quite a bit more efficient than routing between all your local systems |
| 22:23.26 | en1gma | hmmm |
| 22:23.31 | troubled | sarixe: oh, you mean your setting up your local cups to find the remote printer? |
| 22:23.37 | sarixe | yeah |
| 22:23.46 | sarixe | but it's not going so well... brb with the manual |
| 22:23.49 | explody | en1gma: never mind passing packets out to the internet, what is the bridge doing on the inside? |
| 22:23.57 | en1gma | but really in the end isnt it the same thing....its still software telling it how to be routerd. |
| 22:24.13 | en1gma | it looked ok with brctl show |
| 22:24.15 | explody | there is no routing with bridged interfaces |
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| 22:24.24 | themill | troubled: are we on the same wavelength now? |
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| 22:24.48 | explody | en1gma: does "ifconfig br0" show that it has an IP address? |
| 22:24.56 | en1gma | i evyep it did |
| 22:25.02 | p0lar | can someone recomend to me some good kernel build tuturial? |
| 22:25.15 | explody | and can you ping or otherwise access that IP address from the inside? |
| 22:25.16 | themill | !tell p0lar about make-kpkg |
| 22:25.19 | troubled | themill: yes, i figured you wouldnt have seen where I was coming from |
| 22:25.30 | en1gma | even when i set the windows box to a static ip i couldnt ping it though and it showed my nic icon in sys tray as diconnected |
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| 22:25.51 | troubled | en1gma: so, vmware huh |
| 22:25.53 | themill | troubled: :) always good to be pulling in the same direction |
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| 22:26.10 | troubled | themill: yes, it does seem a little more productive :) |
| 22:26.15 | p0lar | themill thank you |
| 22:26.19 | explody | en1gma: does ifconfig show br0 as UP? i.e. UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST |
| 22:26.30 | en1gma | well there was another thing i did also "guide" said to /proc/sys/net/bridge and change all the files there from 1 to 0 so i did that too |
| 22:26.40 | en1gma | it did at one time |
| 22:26.48 | themill | p0lar: no worries -- ask dpkg about kp mantra for the actual commands you'll need |
| 22:26.52 | en1gma | the only way i could get back here was to reset it to the old way i had it |
| 22:27.20 | en1gma | i wonder since all my nics are not the same if that could mess the bridge up |
| 22:27.25 | p0lar | themill ok :) |
| 22:27.30 | explody | en1gma: no, that won't matter |
| 22:27.34 | en1gma | k |
| 22:28.11 | explody | I could really use a pastebin of output from "brctl show" "ifconfig -a" and the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:28.28 | en1gma | explody when i created br0 and added the eth2-eth5 and brought it up with ifconfig br0 ip net dstaddr and gateway it looked ok |
| 22:28.54 | explody | wait a sec |
| 22:29.00 | explody | are you on that box now? |
| 22:29.08 | en1gma | ifconfig -a just showed lo, eth1 and br0 (which looked good) and brctl br0 show = eth2,3,4,5 |
| 22:29.19 | explody | sounds right |
| 22:29.38 | en1gma | nope im on the windows box BUT this time there is a monitor hooked up and mouse and keyboard unlike before when you started helping |
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| 22:29.48 | en1gma | so its better equipped for troubleshooting |
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| 22:30.01 | en1gma | its right next to me |
| 22:30.02 | SpeedyG | question about the upgrade: If you see the string 'devfs' in /proc/mounts, you are most likely using devfs. Any configuration files that reference devfs-style names will need to be adjusted to use udev-style names. Files that are likely to refer to devfs-style device names include /etc/fstab, /etc/lilo.conf, /boot/grub/menu.lst, and /etc/inittab <= 'need to be adjusted' but it's not stated how .. |
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| 22:30.42 | explody | so have you tried just putting the settings in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 22:31.56 | en1gma | yea it gave me all kinds of errors about duplicates....so i basically had to follow that guide...there was a section called "The basic setup of a bridge is done like:" that got me kind of working |
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| 22:32.08 | explody | duplicate what? |
| 22:32.26 | en1gma | duplicate entries i guess |
| 22:32.43 | explody | that sounds like an error in interfaces |
| 22:32.47 | en1gma | there wasnt much in the info you gave me (like 5 lines) |
| 22:32.57 | en1gma | or so |
| 22:33.31 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/684264 |
| 22:33.34 | explody | yep |
| 22:34.01 | en1gma | the "gateway 192.168.1.1" line i think needs to point to eth1 |
| 22:34.12 | en1gma | eth1 isnt 192.168.1.1 i dont think* |
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| 22:34.23 | en1gma | it hold the external ip |
| 22:34.23 | explody | ah in your case yes, it does |
| 22:34.27 | en1gma | ah ok |
| 22:34.30 | en1gma | wasnt sure |
| 22:34.39 | explody | more specifically, just remove the gateway line |
| 22:34.46 | themill | SpeedyG: in recent kernels, you might find that /dev/hda1 has become /dev/sda1 for example. That's the main one to watch. /dev/cdrom might become /dev/cdrom0 too. |
| 22:35.05 | explody | eth1 is dhcp, the gateway is added automatically |
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| 22:35.23 | themill | SpeedyG: network interfaces might also be renamed or reordered (eth1 vs eth0) |
| 22:35.23 | SpeedyG | themill: I assume that that's only the case with SATA disks, and not with regular PATA disks? or am I wrong here ? |
| 22:35.32 | en1gma | dont forget i added dhcp3 and bind dns could those be messing anything up |
| 22:35.38 | RichiH | any idea on how to call a program so that it can _not_ play sound? |
| 22:35.43 | en1gma | or even my firewall might be messing something up |
| 22:36.00 | en1gma | you dont need any info from my currently running system put on pastebin? |
| 22:36.21 | explody | the first step is to get your bridge running, I'd turn off all the iptables until it is |
| 22:36.43 | explody | the /etc/network/interfaces with your bridge setup would be handy |
| 22:37.05 | en1gma | do i erase everything out of there or do i leave lo and eth1 settings |
| 22:37.06 | themill | SpeedyG: I gather that depends on whether you're using libata or not. Unfortunately, I changed a pile of hardware to sata at the same time I jumped kernels so I'm not sure. My old servers running etch still have pata as hda not sda though. |
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| 22:37.33 | mesof | does anyone use linuxtrade or does anyone trade stocks on linux? |
| 22:37.39 | SpeedyG | themill: hm, good point, my other boxes have etch, and PATA with hda |
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| 22:38.18 | explody | en1gma: don't erase anything, move /etc/network/interfaces to /etc/network/interfaces.backup, create a new interfaces file based on the pastebin, edit it to fit your setup (ips, etc.) |
| 22:38.27 | themill | RichiH: Some programs allow you to set the device to which sound should be sent. I think there is a DSP environment variable or similar. But that's going to be really program dependent. I don't know of a general way of doing it. |
| 22:38.44 | explody | then if something is wrong, you just put the backup file back into place |
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| 22:39.13 | en1gma | explody should my config file be exactly what you have on that pastebin less the gateway option....i mean is that all that is supposed to be in there |
| 22:39.27 | en1gma | or am i supposed to keep my lo and eth1 |
| 22:39.27 | RichiH | themill: i was thinking of a program that might perhaps grab all /dev accesses the other program makes. like mute reallyloudgamewithoutvolumecontrol |
| 22:40.01 | explody | en1gma: for a simple setup, yes that will work. If you have other options in your current file, you might need to merge the two. I don't know what's in your existing file so I can't say |
| 22:40.10 | en1gma | and if i disable my firewall script i wont have portforwading and masquerade enabled so i wont have net |
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| 22:40.32 | explody | en1gma: but in any case, you can't just add the pastebin stuff to your existing file, |
| 22:40.40 | whatnow | I need some help, I currently have debian installed on one of my boxes but now need to install windows xp. When I try to boot into the windows xp disc it never gets there. I know there is some command I must execute within linux to kill the partition so the windows cd can see the hdd.... anyone know what that cmd is??!?! |
| 22:40.59 | Pc_Dark | how do i extract a rpm |
| 22:40.59 | themill | RichiH: :) I can see where you're coming from. You could see if the asound system can do that for you or just mute the box ;) |
| 22:41.06 | en1gma | thats what i did before but i commented out the 4 lan nics |
| 22:41.10 | [Nande] | chainloader+1? |
| 22:41.20 | themill | Pc_Dark: rpm can extract it or alien can make it installable on debian. But you generally don't what to |
| 22:41.22 | explody | en1gma: that would be a problem |
| 22:41.29 | themill | Pc_Dark: What are you trying to do? |
| 22:41.35 | explody | en1gma: can you pastebin your current interfaces file? |
| 22:41.38 | en1gma | would it give me "duplicate" errors |
| 22:41.43 | en1gma | yep 1 sec |
| 22:41.44 | explody | yes |
| 22:43.05 | en1gma | explody http://pastebin.ca/684690 |
| 22:43.19 | en1gma | i had to put it back the way it was |
| 22:43.36 | explody | can I see your iptables script? |
| 22:43.41 | en1gma | yep 1 sec |
| 22:43.50 | explody | is it a handmade script or something else? |
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| 22:44.13 | en1gma | explody http://pastebin.ca/684695 |
| 22:44.24 | en1gma | well i copied from what i seen on the net |
| 22:44.39 | en1gma | and it seams to work...but wols_ said it needed work basically |
| 22:44.56 | en1gma | and had to cusomize it a little |
| 22:45.02 | explody | I agree, it's a bit minimal |
| 22:45.09 | explody | no problem now though |
| 22:45.15 | en1gma | www.grc.com says im in stealth |
| 22:45.18 | explody | that script will work without modification |
| 22:45.23 | en1gma | k |
| 22:45.34 | robboplus | is bridged networking more efficient than nat? |
| 22:45.48 | explody | mv /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.backup |
| 22:45.49 | explody | yes |
| 22:45.51 | en1gma | robboplus i think explody said it is |
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| 22:46.13 | en1gma | robboplus been trying to help me to explody :) |
| 22:46.17 | en1gma | alot of ppl have tried |
| 22:46.30 | robboplus | oh hi en1gma! |
| 22:46.34 | en1gma | howdy |
| 22:46.37 | explody | I say that without having performed benchmarks, but the processing involved with bridging is certainly smaller than any kind of routing |
| 22:46.46 | en1gma | maybe explody will ring bell to start class :) |
| 22:46.57 | explody | I take visa or mastercard |
| 22:47.02 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:47.03 | robboplus | explody me also |
| 22:47.09 | robboplus | pp is fine too |
| 22:47.13 | en1gma | i give out rubber checks |
| 22:47.18 | robboplus | he he |
| 22:47.21 | explody | anyway, move or copy your current interfaces file to some backup location |
| 22:47.22 | robboplus | love those lol |
| 22:47.38 | en1gma | k 1 sec making a backup |
| 22:47.54 | robboplus | ok but what i really meant: bridged networking versus nat in for VM |
| 22:47.56 | explody | create a new interfaces file, based on the pastebin example, but change the IP of br0 as needed |
| 22:48.07 | explody | VM? |
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| 22:48.25 | explody | vmware? |
| 22:48.46 | Spiritus55 | Is it bad if I only have 100 megabytes left on /usr? |
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| 22:48.53 | Spiritus55 | If so, what can I do to free up some space? |
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| 22:49.04 | explody | Spiritus55: check /usr/src |
| 22:49.17 | en1gma | explody so just that same pastebin http://pastebin.ca/684264 but no gateway? |
| 22:49.19 | Spiritus55 | explody: what do you mean? |
| 22:49.20 | robboplus | Spiritus55 it's not too bad |
| 22:49.24 | en1gma | and thats all to put in it? |
| 22:49.27 | Spiritus55 | explody: lib is where it's all at... |
| 22:49.48 | Spiritus55 | explody: at least that's where most of it is.. |
| 22:49.56 | mbroeker | Spiritus55, a few years ago i spent nights with zipping the /usr/share/doc/ folder to free up some mbs |
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| 22:50.00 | explody | en1gma: yes, but also modify the IP/netmask/broadcast to fit your setup...i.e. make it the same as the machine you're on now |
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| 22:50.21 | explody | EDIT: NOT the IP, just the broadcast+netmask |
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| 22:50.33 | en1gma | i cant use static |
| 22:50.37 | explody | Spiritus55: how big is your /usr partition |
| 22:50.42 | en1gma | wait let me think |
| 22:50.45 | explody | en1gma: you can on br0 |
| 22:50.47 | Spiritus55 | 2 gigs I think. |
| 22:50.50 | Spiritus55 | I'll check. |
| 22:51.03 | explody | Spiritus55: that's pretty small, you are probably just out of room |
| 22:51.06 | en1gma | hold on let me think...if im going to be doing somehting i have to think :) |
| 22:51.20 | Spiritus55 | 2.1 gigs. |
| 22:51.36 | explody | Spiritus55: yep... You run a desktop on this machine? |
| 22:51.50 | en1gma | when you say the machine im on now you mean actual linux box router machine right? |
| 22:51.51 | Spiritus55 | I have like 500 megabytes of unallocated space on my harddrive, could I just use fdisk to add that onto /usr? |
| 22:51.54 | en1gma | cause im on a windows box |
| 22:52.44 | explody | en1gma: what I mean is, if the machine you are on now (windows) has a netmask of 255.255.255.0, broadcast of 192.168.1.255 and IP of 192.168.1.2 |
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| 22:53.03 | explody | then you should modify the interfaces file to put br0 on the same IP subnet |
| 22:53.14 | Spiritus55 | explody: I have like 500 megabytes of unallocated space on my harddrive, could I just use fdisk to add that onto /usr? |
| 22:53.14 | en1gma | ohh ok |
| 22:53.23 | Spiritus55 | explody: And yes, I use GNOME. |
| 22:53.24 | en1gma | right now im 192.168.2.100 on this win box |
| 22:53.29 | en1gma | so one sec let me refix it |
| 22:53.42 | explody | i.e. given my example above, perhaps change br0 to have the _same_ netmask and broadcast, and the IP 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:53.53 | explody | ah ok |
| 22:54.07 | en1gma | ok its changed |
| 22:54.14 | explody | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.22 | sarixe | themill , troubled : i can't get anything to work with IPP |
| 22:54.40 | en1gma | yep and the broadcast too |
| 22:54.42 | explody | Spiritus55: well you probably could, but it is complicated |
| 22:54.45 | en1gma | 192.168.2.255 |
| 22:54.47 | themill | sarixe: ok... does your printer manual tell you how to print to it? |
| 22:54.53 | explody | en1gma: sounds good |
| 22:54.53 | Spiritus55 | explody: Dang... |
| 22:54.56 | sarixe | i can't find the manual... |
| 22:54.59 | themill | sarixe: or have you got it working with windoze? |
| 22:55.04 | sarixe | i should try looking online |
| 22:55.10 | sarixe | i have it working with windows |
| 22:55.10 | en1gma | explody now if i reboot that computer i wont have net right? |
| 22:55.13 | themill | sarixe: what's the make and model |
| 22:55.23 | sarixe | canon ip4000r |
| 22:55.25 | themill | sarixe: How do you have it working with windoze? |
| 22:55.31 | explody | en1gma: you don't have to reboot anything |
| 22:55.34 | sarixe | some propietary software, i think |
| 22:55.39 | sarixe | i don't know how it was set up |
| 22:55.42 | en1gma | explody sounds good to me |
| 22:56.03 | sarixe | it's not showing up on anyone's samba |
| 22:56.09 | explody | en1gma: from the console of your firewall box, just do "/etc/init.d/networking stop; /etc/init.d/networking start" |
| 22:56.19 | explody | en1gma: this _might_ drop your connection |
| 22:56.30 | en1gma | ok no problem |
| 22:56.39 | sarixe | themill : i bet it's not even running cups |
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| 22:56.41 | explody | en1gma: if it does, record any errors, then put back your old interfaces file |
| 22:56.43 | troubled | sarixe: you could try install wireshark on windows and watch the network to see what its trying to do/connect to |
| 22:56.43 | en1gma | can i give that command through putty...would be easier |
| 22:57.04 | sarixe | troubled : i already did that... it just broadcasts itself all the time |
| 22:57.04 | explody | en1gma: if you do it through putty, do "/etc/init.d/networking restart" |
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| 22:57.14 | en1gma | ok doing it now |
| 22:57.16 | sarixe | lemme see what protocol |
| 22:57.21 | themill | sarixe: can you look on the windoze box to see how that printer is configured? |
| 22:57.24 | troubled | sarixe: and when you print to it, its printing to $IP and $PORT... |
| 22:57.28 | explody | en1gma: if your putty session stays alive, then you're in luck |
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| 22:57.42 | explody | en1gma: might hang for a few seconds, but no big deal |
| 22:57.43 | sarixe | themill : tried, it's fecking propietary |
| 22:57.48 | explody | brb |
| 22:58.54 | themill | sarixe: can you see what ports the printer has open? 9100? |
| 22:59.06 | en1gma | am i still alive |
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| 22:59.19 | sarixe | themill : good point.. .didn't nmap it yet |
| 22:59.27 | Spiritus55 | en1gma: you are still breathign |
| 22:59.31 | en1gma | i can see the linux router is kind of stuck on a command it looks like |
| 22:59.34 | themill | sarixe: even just try telneting to it ;) |
| 22:59.44 | sarixe | lol, on what port though? :P |
| 22:59.48 | themill | sarixe: telnet ip.ad.dre.ss 9100 |
| 22:59.53 | en1gma | "br0: port 1(eth2) entering forwarding state) |
| 22:59.55 | sarixe | aye |
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| 23:00.09 | sarixe | nmap says it's blocking pings |
| 23:00.13 | troubled | themill: if we ever get a .ss tld, im so taking that domain :) |
| 23:00.13 | en1gma | "br0: port 1(eth2) entering forwarding state" |
| 23:00.23 | sarixe | ping confirms it |
| 23:00.36 | themill | troubled: :) |
| 23:00.38 | en1gma | usually there should be the login screen showing |
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| 23:01.08 | sarixe | themill : telnet not working on 9100, or 631 |
| 23:01.12 | en1gma | explody there is more i need to add to that interfaces file right? |
| 23:01.28 | en1gma | eth1 wont connect to net if i was to reboot that box and lo too right? |
| 23:01.35 | themill | sarixe: hmmm... from what I read on this printer, it should do jetdirect on 9100 |
| 23:01.43 | sarixe | i'll try it then |
| 23:01.59 | troubled | themill: is jetdirect udp or tcp though? |
| 23:02.21 | themill | troubled: ummm... interesting thought. I had assumed tcp |
| 23:02.31 | rahul | jetdirect is lpr |
| 23:02.36 | sarixe | themill : attempting test page |
| 23:02.37 | sarixe | brb |
| 23:02.47 | troubled | themill: i would assume so to. but you never know with proprietary and speed :) |
| 23:03.13 | rahul | troubled: actually, I thought jetdirect was just an embedded linux box |
| 23:03.18 | troubled | rahul: no, tcp or udp we meant. if udp a telnet to 9100 wouldnt do much if you follow us |
| 23:03.26 | rahul | lpr is tcp |
| 23:03.37 | troubled | oooh, i see what you mean nm then |
| 23:03.50 | rahul | printer 515/tcp spooler # line printer spooler |
| 23:04.07 | troubled | just though you were describing what jetdirect was, ie: printing :) |
| 23:04.18 | troubled | bah, services file isnt very reliable though |
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| 23:04.31 | rahul | I did describe what jetdirect was, i.e. lpr :) |
| 23:04.46 | grendal_prime | hey i need to assign write privilages to a the /var/www dir to a group.. |
| 23:04.48 | troubled | but you meant it in a "what language it speaks" kinda way :p |
| 23:04.49 | themill | rahul: are you sure jetdirect is just lpr? I didn't think it was.... |
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| 23:05.00 | grendal_prime | and umm im like really haveing a difficult time with this... |
| 23:05.07 | rahul | troubled: for standard stuff, it needs to be reliable, since that's where the port is looked up by clients and servers |
| 23:05.13 | grendal_prime | im flat out drawing a blank on this |
| 23:05.16 | rahul | themill: that's what I've heard |
| 23:05.17 | themill | grendal_prime: chgrp group_name /var/www; chmod g+w /var/www ...? |
| 23:05.33 | rahul | themill: and I'm pretty sure I've used it in that way |
| 23:05.45 | troubled | rahul: its very accurate, i just recall the odd entry that has a udp version listed when i dont recall that service ever having udp ability |
| 23:06.10 | explody | en1gma: you still here? |
| 23:06.13 | rahul | www 80/udp # HyperText Transfer Protocol |
| 23:06.17 | en1gma | yep |
| 23:06.17 | rahul | heh, like that? |
| 23:06.22 | explody | bridge up? |
| 23:06.24 | troubled | rahul: thats probably one of them :) |
| 23:06.30 | en1gma | i figure your boss must be close by :) |
| 23:06.34 | themill | rahul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetDirect |
| 23:06.38 | explody | I am my boss ;) |
| 23:06.43 | en1gma | im still hanging in there but am afraid to reboot at this point |
| 23:06.50 | rahul | yeah, there's gopher, pop2, pop3, as well |
| 23:06.53 | en1gma | ooo you better doc yourself some $$$ |
| 23:07.04 | explody | you did the networking restart with the new interfaces file? |
| 23:07.05 | jetscreamer | quit taking my name in vain dammit |
| 23:07.07 | jetscreamer | !!! |
| 23:07.07 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 23:07.15 | en1gma | explody yep |
| 23:07.29 | explody | congrats, your bridge is working |
| 23:07.36 | en1gma | yea but i cant reboot right |
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| 23:07.39 | explody | you don't need to reboot |
| 23:07.50 | explody | if that interfaces file is in place, you can if you like |
| 23:08.05 | en1gma | i mean if i turn that linux box off and back on eth1 will not connect to external net cause there is no option for it in interfaces |
| 23:08.19 | explody | but you really never need to reboot unless you're changing kernel stuff |
| 23:08.23 | rahul | themill: which confirms what I said |
| 23:08.36 | rahul | themill: at least, where it has any information |
| 23:08.38 | explody | en1gma: there isn't? |
| 23:08.40 | themill | rahul: about it being lpr? or about tcp? |
| 23:08.48 | explody | en1gma: iface eth1 inet dhcp <-? |
| 23:08.51 | rahul | themill: both |
| 23:08.55 | en1gma | explody yea i see what you mean but im saying we cant be dont with interfaces yet cause there is no "lo" and no "eth1" refrences in there |
| 23:09.04 | rahul | themill: but I think whoever made that table has no clue what TCP is |
| 23:09.15 | jetscreamer | talk about delayed reaction |
| 23:09.21 | explody | en1gma: er, yes there is |
| 23:09.27 | en1gma | let me check |
| 23:09.27 | explody | en1gma: at least there should be |
| 23:09.35 | explody | firs 3 lines |
| 23:09.56 | rahul | "The Print Server Appliance 4250 is perhaps the most ambitious of the JetDirect products - being a complete print solution in a box. The system comes ready to go with a pre-loaded and configured Print Server running on a Linux core with an Apache Web Server." |
| 23:10.01 | themill | rahul: rather... it's pretty useless on the whole. |
| 23:10.04 | rahul | that may be the model I was thiking of |
| 23:10.11 | jetscreamer | there you go again taking my name in vain |
| 23:10.23 | en1gma | omg i see where the duplicates came from now :) |
| 23:10.33 | rahul | jetscreamer: "useless"? |
| 23:10.41 | en1gma | you had that part added in the pastebin all this time when i thought it needed added |
| 23:10.48 | en1gma | omg SWEET man |
| 23:10.51 | en1gma | its all good |
| 23:10.54 | en1gma | YES! |
| 23:11.01 | troubled | rahul: but is his model a 4250? |
| 23:11.08 | jetscreamer | _-_ |
| 23:11.11 | themill | !lart en1gma |
| 23:11.18 | rahul | troubled: doesn't matter. looks like all of them support lpd |
| 23:11.36 | themill | troubled: no, Canon IP4000R |
| 23:11.38 | en1gma | so if i would have followed the directions more carefully from the get go (cause your directions were correct) i just didnt do it correct...it would have been working already |
| 23:11.53 | troubled | themill: a canon using hp jetdirect? |
| 23:12.00 | sarixe | wow, this is a great channel... you guys are working on my problem while i'm not even looking |
| 23:12.02 | en1gma | i thought for some reason you didnt have that info in there for lo and eth1 |
| 23:12.06 | jetscreamer | !crabpastesmite somebody |
| 23:12.12 | en1gma | omg this is sweet |
| 23:12.33 | en1gma | explody thnx man |
| 23:12.46 | en1gma | robboplus did you take any notes |
| 23:12.49 | explody | en1gma: now, you should be able to plug systems into eth3/4/5 , give them 192.168.2.x IPs and talk directly to the other local boxes |
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| 23:13.05 | en1gma | hold on |
| 23:13.07 | explody | also, when you do iptables rules, just use br0 as your internal interface |
| 23:13.15 | en1gma | it should assign those ips right? |
| 23:13.17 | c_newbie | hi |
| 23:13.19 | jetscreamer | br? |
| 23:13.20 | sarixe | it's a canon ip4000r, with its own wireless antenna, connected to the network without a hostname, but i have its ip address |
| 23:13.23 | themill | troubled: I think they call it AppSocket instead ;) |
| 23:13.33 | explody | what should assign IPs to what? |
| 23:13.45 | c_newbie | does a scsi cable must have a termination end? or i can plug another add hd's for it? |
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| 23:13.56 | explody | if you want the firewall to give IPs to internal boxes, you need to run dhcpd |
| 23:13.57 | rahul | c_newbie: it does if it does |
| 23:14.01 | en1gma | do i need to reconfigure dhcp to assign more then the range i have which is 192.168.1.100 - 192.168.1.100 |
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| 23:14.06 | jetscreamer | c_newbie: you need a terminator at the end of the chain |
| 23:14.12 | rahul | c_newbie: there has to be termination _somehow_ |
| 23:14.17 | explody | ah ok be careful now |
| 23:14.23 | en1gma | so i need to tell dhcpd to run on br0? |
| 23:14.30 | explody | yes |
| 23:14.33 | explody | but wait |
| 23:14.35 | jetscreamer | like if one hd, term there. 2 hd's, term on last |
| 23:14.37 | c_newbie | rahul, my last connecttor before the termination seems broker |
| 23:14.38 | en1gma | k |
| 23:14.42 | troubled | c_newbie: unless your hd has something built in i suppose |
| 23:15.10 | c_newbie | can i use the last connecteor that used to work with termination, to plug it directly to hd? |
| 23:15.22 | explody | you have br0 with an IP of 192.168.2.1, which means you need to give out IPs in the 192.168.2.0/255.255.255.0 subnet OR change br0's IP to match your dhcpd config |
| 23:15.24 | rahul | c_newbie: only if the hd can internally terminate |
| 23:15.31 | rahul | c_newbie: and you set it up to do so |
| 23:15.52 | en1gma | ok gonna copy and paste that info for perm use :) |
| 23:15.54 | c_newbie | all scsi hd got internal terminate? |
| 23:15.56 | en1gma | thnx man |
| 23:16.18 | rahul | c_newbie: I _said_ "if" |
| 23:16.22 | explody | you're welcome |
| 23:16.25 | c_newbie | oh |
| 23:16.30 | c_newbie | so that's mean, i cant |
| 23:16.31 | c_newbie | :( |
| 23:16.33 | c_newbie | crap.. |
| 23:16.51 | rahul | well, I didn't say you can't |
| 23:17.00 | rahul | I said you need to find out if that drive can |
| 23:17.08 | en1gma | damn this will make my life alot easier when friends and my kid come and plug their boxes in this router |
| 23:17.15 | en1gma | cause they all run windows of course |
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| 23:17.29 | troubled | c_newbie: check the last drives jumper settings for a built in termination mode |
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| 23:19.17 | Spiritus55 | I want to combine two unallocated free spaces on my hard drive, what do I need to do? |
| 23:19.22 | xored | are there any good archive scripts like : taring, packing, copiing with the date in name, after 10 diffrent versions overwerite latest etc ? |
| 23:19.26 | en1gma | explody do i even need bind9 |
| 23:19.40 | en1gma | it was giving dns info to the 4 seperate networks before |
| 23:19.46 | explody | en1gma: if you want to run your own DNS, yes |
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| 23:19.59 | explody | wrong key :P |
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| 23:20.01 | troubled | xored: damn, that sounds like a good simple bash script right there |
| 23:20.15 | explody | en1gma: you can just as easily use the name servers from your ISP though |
| 23:20.21 | explody | en1gma: that's up to you |
| 23:20.22 | en1gma | i mean i dont think i need to for the lan do i cause it gets the dns from eth1 dhcp through br0? |
| 23:20.44 | en1gma | kool |
| 23:20.44 | explody | en1gma: dhcp does not provide naming services now |
| 23:20.46 | explody | no* |
| 23:20.56 | en1gma | thinking |
| 23:21.05 | jetscreamer | wins |
| 23:21.09 | explody | but you can set up dhcpd to give out whatever name server addresses you want, i.e. the ones frmo your ISP |
| 23:21.14 | en1gma | well somehow my isp is getting dns to eth1 |
| 23:21.23 | explody | that's the dhcp client |
| 23:21.25 | jetscreamer | nat |
| 23:21.27 | Spiritus55 | I want to combine two unallocated free spaces on my hard drive, what do I need to do? |
| 23:21.30 | explody | look at /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:21.37 | xored | troubled: yeah sure, but i though that migth is avail allready, iam sure not the first one with the need |
| 23:21.42 | jetscreamer | delete the one in the middle or use lvm |
| 23:21.42 | themill | xored: rsnapshot does something like that for you |
| 23:21.45 | explody | that got written when the dhcp client got an IP address from your ISP |
| 23:21.48 | xored | troubled: esp after "10 files overwrite lates" |
| 23:21.50 | en1gma | yea but how does it get put in there...there is some mechanism right? |
| 23:21.56 | xored | themill: thank you |
| 23:21.57 | explody | dhclient |
| 23:22.05 | troubled | xored: well, thats just a simple rotatelog entry there |
| 23:22.11 | explody | but that does not get handed out by dhcpd |
| 23:22.12 | jetscreamer | there is no dns |
| 23:22.16 | en1gma | can br0 get that info from eth1 of dhclient |
| 23:22.21 | en1gma | ahh ok |
| 23:22.28 | explody | that's a good question |
| 23:22.39 | jetscreamer | the router does nat? |
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| 23:22.44 | en1gma | yep |
| 23:22.44 | jetscreamer | if so that's how |
| 23:22.47 | explody | there may be a way, but I'd just specify them in dhcpd.conf |
| 23:22.58 | explody | they won't change much if at all |
| 23:23.29 | en1gma | i think in the windows box ipconfig /all dns = 192.168.2.1 and 192.168.2.2 |
| 23:23.39 | en1gma | so i think bind9 isnt even doing anything really |
| 23:23.42 | jetscreamer | i don't want to get in the middle but what kind of router |
| 23:24.05 | explody | ummm |
| 23:24.13 | en1gma | JS its a home made linux box router with 5 nics (1 for wan and 4 for lan) and thnx to explody we just bridged the 4lans |
| 23:24.17 | explody | if you have named running on your firewal,, then it is |
| 23:24.18 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:24.22 | themill | sarixe: you can get your printer to print out a config page: http://pastebin.ca/684738 |
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| 23:24.53 | en1gma | i dont have anything for dns in firewall |
| 23:24.55 | sarixe | themill : thanks |
| 23:24.57 | sarixe | bbl |
| 23:25.01 | themill | sarixe: and you can download the manual from here: http://software.canon-europe.com/files/soft21806/manual/iP4000R_PUG_EN.exe |
| 23:25.08 | en1gma | i gonna attempt to uninstall bind0 and see what happens |
| 23:25.10 | en1gma | 1 min |
| 23:25.16 | troubled | themill: eww |
| 23:25.18 | jetscreamer | 9 |
| 23:25.19 | themill | sarixe: it's an exe file but you can just use unzip on it# |
| 23:25.25 | foutrelis | I want to run a program as user "foo" when the system boots. How do I do this? |
| 23:25.48 | troubled | themill: i am sure glad their admin has a clue and grip on computing reality |
| 23:25.57 | sarixe | themill : thanks |
| 23:26.11 | en1gma | brb |
| 23:26.17 | explody | en1gma: it will uninstall fine, but you may have trouble resolving hostnames |
| 23:26.19 | Spiritus55 | I want to combine two unallocated free spaces on my hard drive, what do I need to do? |
| 23:27.14 | jetscreamer | delete the one in the middle or use lvm |
| 23:27.14 | troubled | heh |
| 23:27.14 | jetscreamer | s/one/partition/ |
| 23:27.14 | jetscreamer | (s) |
| 23:27.20 | troubled | Spiritus55: i assume they are both 2 seperate partitions you want to make on? |
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| 23:27.31 | troubled | one* |
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| 23:27.48 | Spiritus55 | troubled: I want to make a new partition called /space and I would like to know how to do this. |
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| 23:29.37 | jetscreamer | two deleted partitions, one still in the middle according to the actual words... |
| 23:29.37 | jetscreamer | !lvm |
| 23:29.37 | c_newbie | how to see the partion;s name in *nix? |
| 23:29.37 | troubled | Spiritus55: cfdisk /dev/??? |
| 23:29.37 | c_newbie | df -h? |
| 23:29.37 | jetscreamer | fdisk -l |
| 23:29.37 | troubled | c_newbie: fdisk -l? |
| 23:29.37 | jetscreamer | L |
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| 23:29.37 | jetscreamer | but little |
| 23:29.37 | Spiritus55 | I have a like 5 different partitions... |
| 23:29.37 | jetscreamer | Little |
| 23:29.37 | jetscreamer | lvm |
| 23:29.38 | jetscreamer | or delete some more |
| 23:29.38 | c_newbie | :( |
| 23:29.38 | Spiritus55 | I don't know where the free space is.. |
| 23:29.38 | c_newbie | its said disk /dev/mde0 deosnt contain a valid partition table |
| 23:29.38 | c_newbie | :( |
| 23:29.38 | jetscreamer | cfdisk /dev/whatever |
| 23:29.38 | c_newbie | no wonder its gond |
| 23:29.38 | troubled | Spiritus55: you want all the different partitions to be one big one? then lvm as jetscreamer said |
| 23:29.38 | jetscreamer | mde0 ? |
| 23:29.38 | c_newbie | no wmd0 |
| 23:29.38 | c_newbie | md0 |
| 23:29.38 | Spiritus55 | NO, I just wanna make 2 unallocated spaces 1 partition. |
| 23:29.38 | c_newbie | ive create the raid 0 from the very beginning |
| 23:29.40 | c_newbie | using the installation |
| 23:29.51 | dpkg | from memory, lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 23:30.12 | troubled | Spiritus55: well, that would be accomplished with gparted usually, but gparted is teh suck when it comes to _moving_ ext2/3 |
| 23:34.13 | jetscreamer | Spiritus55: you can't join them like that w/o removing what's in the middle first |
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| 23:34.14 | c_newbie | if im using raid 0, is that mean both hardisk must be in raid, or only joining 2 partition? |
| 23:34.14 | c_newbie | omg |
| 23:34.14 | troubled | Spiritus55: so lvm becomes a way around playying with moving |
| 23:34.14 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 23:34.14 | Spiritus55 | What was that? |
| 23:34.52 | c_newbie | if im using raid 0, is that mean both hardisk must be in raid, or only joining 2 partition? |
| 23:35.03 | troubled | hmm split somewhere |
| 23:35.03 | Spiritus55 | Oh, ok. |
| 23:35.03 | jetscreamer | gdmit... stay dead heinlein! |
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| 23:35.12 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 23:35.12 | Spiritus55 | Netsplits are te'h gayz. |
| 23:35.15 | Spiritus55 | And troubled: I'm using Gparted right now, it is te'h sux. |
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| 23:36.15 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
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| 23:36.16 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 23:36.17 | themill | ahh... another netsplit.. what a way to end the evening |
| 23:36.17 | jetscreamer | bbl |
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| 23:36.19 | troubled | :) |
| 23:36.19 | troubled | that kills my db/interactivity |
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| 23:36.20 | c_newbie | anyone |
| 23:36.20 | c_newbie | please? |
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| 23:36.20 | themill | sarixe: in amongst that netsplit, did you get the url on the howto for your printer? |
| 23:36.20 | c_newbie | hm |
| 23:36.21 | c_newbie | why i cant read my raid while im typing fdisk -l, its shown :" Disk /dev/md0 doesnt contain a valid partition table" |
| 23:36.21 | jetscreamer | i think that's different |
| 23:36.22 | c_newbie | pardon? |
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| 23:36.22 | en1gmaa | yep it wants bind9 |
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| 23:36.31 | jetscreamer | i'm not sure if fdisk can/will read the individual drives in an array |
| 23:36.38 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 23:37.07 | jetscreamer | combat>raid is all i know |
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| 23:37.13 | jetscreamer | the little roach motels |
| 23:37.24 | jetscreamer | combat is miracle roach goaway |
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| 23:39.41 | Nyle | hey |
| 23:39.43 | Nyle | wtf |
| 23:39.47 | Nyle | !seen stoned |
| 23:39.47 | dpkg | stoned <i=stoned@cpe-24-193-147-226.nyc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11h 9m 43s ago, saying: 'thanks, bye guys'. |
| 23:40.08 | jetscreamer | &insult stoned |
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| 23:40.16 | Nyle | stoned is an a-hole |
| 23:40.17 | jetscreamer | ok don't |
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| 23:40.18 | Nyle | i hate him |
| 23:40.20 | Nyle | ;) |
| 23:40.33 | jetscreamer | nyle loves stoned |
| 23:40.40 | Nyle | no he doesn't |
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| 23:41.19 | Nyle | ahh it was a netsplit |
| 23:41.25 | jetscreamer | you wish you could suc... nah let's not go there |
| 23:41.26 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:41.37 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ? |
| 23:41.50 | jetscreamer | contortionism |
| 23:41.58 | Nyle | ugh |
| 23:42.04 | troubled | Nyle: :) |
| 23:42.09 | freach | hi, got a problem with a realtek based gigabit network adapter, which uses r8169, I got it connected to a gigabit switch but I can't get a gigabit link to work |
| 23:42.14 | troubled | Nyle: lost services too :( |
| 23:42.16 | Nyle | my niece broke both her arms one time at the elbows when she was a wee girl |
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| 23:42.25 | jetscreamer | how |
| 23:42.27 | Nyle | now she can actually bend har arm backwards at the elbow |
| 23:42.30 | freach | and can't force the media type to 1000baseTx-FD |
| 23:42.30 | Nyle | its disgusting |
| 23:42.33 | jetscreamer | ugh |
| 23:42.36 | Nyle | jetscreamer: dunno, I was in pakistan |
| 23:42.47 | freach | mii-tool just said Invalid media specification |
| 23:42.58 | c_newbie | arrrrrgh |
| 23:43.00 | Nyle | i see that troubled |
| 23:43.05 | c_newbie | not even raid 0, 1 or 10 |
| 23:43.10 | Nyle | ahh, here it goes, finally identified me after 2 minutes |
| 23:43.11 | c_newbie | i cant make a software raid |
| 23:43.13 | c_newbie | :(( |
| 23:43.27 | Nyle | software raid is useless buddy |
| 23:43.32 | Nyle | get a raid controller, even a cheap one |
| 23:43.42 | jetscreamer | 20 bucks at fry's |
| 23:43.51 | jetscreamer | i have one.. never did raid though |
| 23:44.06 | Nyle | I will buy one so i could hotplug |
| 23:44.32 | jetscreamer | yeh i'd like to have a rack |
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| 23:45.07 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I was thinking about what you said in #music yesterday |
| 23:45.13 | Nyle | about starting some sort of service |
| 23:45.32 | jetscreamer | i'll buy you fly :) |
| 23:45.43 | Nyle | lazy bastidge |
| 23:45.44 | Nyle | ;) |
| 23:45.48 | jetscreamer | but seriously ;) |
| 23:45.52 | c_newbie | ING |
| 23:45.58 | c_newbie | OMG |
| 23:46.11 | c_newbie | where i can get a real working raid 0/1 tutorial |
| 23:46.18 | jetscreamer | !raid |
| 23:46.19 | dpkg | it has been said that raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid], http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels |
| 23:46.20 | Nyle | c_newbie: tldp.org |
| 23:46.39 | Nyle | c_newbie: !software raid |
| 23:46.42 | Nyle | er.. |
| 23:46.46 | Nyle | !software raid |
| 23:46.46 | dpkg | i guess software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
| 23:47.06 | Nyle | c_newbie: look at the tldp.org link in there |
| 23:47.12 | Nyle | here is a great howto for software raid |
| 23:47.23 | jetscreamer | i guess i have a winraidem |
| 23:47.39 | jetscreamer | !ig |
| 23:47.39 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 23:47.45 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I'll have to stop smoking soon |
| 23:47.50 | Nyle | jetscreamer: cold turkey, on everything |
| 23:47.57 | jetscreamer | why |
| 23:47.58 | Nyle | jetscreamer: 13th is the first fast of ramadan |
| 23:48.03 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 23:48.21 | jetscreamer | glad i don't have to do all that to placate my gods |
| 23:48.30 | jetscreamer | corm! |
| 23:48.32 | jetscreamer | err |
| 23:48.34 | jetscreamer | crom! |
| 23:48.37 | Nyle | its not a religion thing for me |
| 23:48.44 | Nyle | you should know that |
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| 23:49.04 | Nyle | I've been doing sensory depravation for 1 month every year since I was a kid |
| 23:49.11 | jetscreamer | i know nothing, and really really try not to get involved in anybody's religion |
| 23:49.13 | Nyle | its good, makes you appreciate the little things more |
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| 23:49.26 | Nyle | jetscreamer: good, because I don't have one. :) |
| 23:49.35 | Nyle | except that I worship the mighty green leaf |
| 23:49.36 | Nyle | ;) |
| 23:50.28 | jetscreamer | well hang out on earth long enough you might get whispered to |
| 23:50.54 | Nyle | heh |
| 23:50.58 | Nyle | i like going to the moon |
| 23:51.18 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 23:51.21 | Nyle | btw, i read up more on it, and there is very compelling evidence and observations to show that the milky way is not our parent galaxy |
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| 23:51.35 | Nyle | and AMD64 Etch is very unstable for me |
| 23:51.39 | jetscreamer | it sucks to realize you might not actually get to outer space |
| 23:51.51 | Nyle | yeh, that is one place I'd like to go |
| 23:51.59 | Nyle | but i don't have millions of dollars |
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| 23:52.12 | jetscreamer | might be cheaper later |
| 23:52.17 | jetscreamer | will be, but how long |
| 23:52.20 | Nyle | not in our lifetimes |
| 23:52.29 | jetscreamer | maybe you |
| 23:52.39 | Nyle | nah |
| 23:52.51 | jetscreamer | tech goes ^ |
| 23:52.51 | Nyle | its not even a 20 year diff in our ages |
| 23:53.03 | jetscreamer | exponentially |
| 23:53.08 | Nyle | btw, maybe you could help me shed some light on this matter |
| 23:53.08 | jetscreamer | like population |
| 23:53.28 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 23:53.55 | jetscreamer | are you 26? |
| 23:54.05 | jetscreamer | 30? |
| 23:54.05 | Nyle | I had figured originally, that my 95% overclock on the core 2 e6300 1866mhz to 3500mhz was causing problems with etch amd64 because it always hung/crashed etc. However, on 32bit it was the same. |
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| 23:54.26 | Nyle | now, I used kubuntu amd64 on same setup, 3.5ghz core 2 with 90% + overclock, very stable |
| 23:54.29 | Nyle | just like 32bit |
| 23:54.30 | jetscreamer | nah not me i haven't o/c'd in agez |
| 23:54.32 | Nyle | so its not the overclock |
| 23:54.37 | Nyle | I tested it |
| 23:54.38 | jetscreamer | but i remember you said it was ubuntu |
| 23:54.56 | Nyle | now what I am trying to ask is why etch amd64 is so horribly unstable forme, while kubuntu amd64 isn't, 7.04 |
| 23:55.05 | jetscreamer | so take the kernel config from that kernel, and diff it with the same version # of a debian kernel |
| 23:55.06 | auto359 | has anyone else noticed that the main debian.au server is extremely slow? |
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| 23:55.06 | rox | Nyle: many people seem to have problems with those CPUs, not just on Debian |
| 23:55.14 | Nyle | im not saying one is better than another, but I did test, and I wanted to discuss my results |
| 23:55.32 | rox | Nyle: even linus commented on core2 CPUs as being rathre buggy |
| 23:55.53 | Nyle | rox: but how is amd64 in ubuntu feisty so much more stable than amd64 in etch? |
| 23:56.02 | Nyle | that is the question |
| 23:56.19 | Nyle | what are they doing that we aren't? |
| 23:56.21 | jetscreamer | feisty is more sid-ish |
| 23:56.32 | Nyle | so its more developed in the latest release? |
| 23:56.41 | Nyle | patches, bugfixes maybe you think? |
| 23:56.45 | jetscreamer | the version#'s were just a few minor #'s behind when i looked |
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| 23:56.56 | jetscreamer | check the .config's |
| 23:56.58 | rox | Nyle: i can only guess, but they might have osme kernel patches that improve stability for amd64 |
| 23:57.08 | jetscreamer | of the kernels |
| 23:57.10 | Nyle | rox: that was my first guess as well |
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| 23:57.40 | Nyle | i'll note the important values of 2.l6.18-4 and compare it to the one in sid |
| 23:57.46 | Nyle | or not? |
| 23:57.57 | jetscreamer | feisty vs whatever |
| 23:58.02 | jetscreamer | diff em |
| 23:58.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | I want to convert my capslock to a backspace. I can do it with xkeycaps, but the changes don't remain permanent. I tried using xmodmap, and even making KDE start it during bootup and read the config file I made with xkeycaps, but caps lock is still alive and kickin' after a reboot. |
