| 00:00.07 | simonrvn | Dark_Apostrophe: include the xkeycaps thing in your .xsession and they stay |
| 00:00.25 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 00:00.25 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
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| 00:01.35 | Bogus8 | does Citadel's shared calendar intergrate with MS Outlook? |
| 00:02.05 | Bogus8 | trying to get my brother convinced he can and should drop Exchange (but they need the shared calendar) |
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| 00:02.52 | c_newbie | is there any nice tutorial howto make raid 0 with debian? |
| 00:03.00 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 00:03.06 | jetscreamer | !software raid |
| 00:03.06 | dpkg | software raid is probably commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
| 00:03.17 | jetscreamer | !ig |
| 00:03.17 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 00:03.50 | Saar | !lol |
| 00:03.51 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 00:04.07 | Saar | !apt |
| 00:04.08 | dpkg | i guess apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 00:04.15 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 00:04.15 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 00:04.21 | Saar | ;-) |
| 00:04.47 | jetscreamer | !tell Saar -about search |
| 00:05.13 | Bogus8 | and now you gonna make me repeat my question, since it's now surely in everyone's scroll buffer :( |
| 00:05.15 | Saar | ugh like i dont know :) |
| 00:05.24 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 00:05.25 | jetscreamer | sowwy |
| 00:05.36 | Bogus8 | it could easily be mistaken that you might not |
| 00:05.41 | Saar | thats ok |
| 00:05.53 | jetscreamer | the sowwy waz por saar |
| 00:05.56 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 00:06.11 | Bogus8 | does Citadel's shared calendar intergrate with MS Outlook? |
| 00:06.15 | en1gmaa | when you have a brige setup should ifconfig -a list all the nics still |
| 00:06.16 | Bogus8 | trying to get my brother convinced he can and should drop Exchange (but they need the shared calendar) |
| 00:06.19 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ah yes, I am 26 |
| 00:06.22 | en1gmaa | or shouldnt it just list that bridege |
| 00:06.28 | jetscreamer | you could put that all on one line |
| 00:06.37 | jetscreamer | yes 20 years nyle |
| 00:06.43 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: true, but then I would have to retype it ;) |
| 00:06.53 | Bogus8 | I added the second line as I thought of it |
| 00:06.59 | Bogus8 | the first time |
| 00:07.02 | jetscreamer | the second time? :) |
| 00:07.06 | Bogus8 | up arrow |
| 00:07.19 | c_newbie | jetscreamer: is that mean i need to install the os @ the 1st hardrive? then add it later? |
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| 00:07.41 | jetscreamer | c_newbie: i don't know anything about raid :/ |
| 00:07.48 | c_newbie | ouch |
| 00:07.58 | c_newbie | anyone? please :) |
| 00:08.01 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: hmm system drive on raid 0? hmmm |
| 00:08.03 | c_newbie | its been 10 hours.. |
| 00:08.05 | jetscreamer | when i said fdisk -l i didn't know you were doing raid |
| 00:08.17 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: would definitely need /boot to be on a single drive |
| 00:08.25 | Bogus8 | I think it's in the guides |
| 00:09.04 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: you do realize that with raid 0 if one drive fails you lose everything |
| 00:09.06 | c_newbie | i did tho |
| 00:09.16 | c_newbie | yes, its only for data feed |
| 00:09.30 | Bogus8 | you would be better off with a second system drive |
| 00:09.39 | Bogus8 | err 3rd |
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| 00:09.49 | Saar | the dreaded shared calendar |
| 00:09.49 | Saar | there are web based solutions no? |
| 00:09.50 | Saar | thunderbird plugins |
| 00:10.11 | Bogus8 | Saar: yes, but "everyone uses outlook" :( |
| 00:10.26 | Bogus8 | I already mentioned it could be done a bazillion different wasy |
| 00:10.29 | Bogus8 | ways* |
| 00:11.19 | Saar | there are web solutions |
| 00:11.20 | Bogus8 | the office is all MS... he told me the other day that he went into an office and took a linux server offline because it was doing nothing (he chuckled like it was funny or something) |
| 00:11.38 | Bogus8 | Saar: that intergate into Outlook? |
| 00:11.39 | Saar | in which people connect to a website and havew calander's and shit |
| 00:11.43 | Saar | sure |
| 00:11.51 | Saar | also zimbra seems a nice tool |
| 00:11.52 | Bogus8 | Saar: the web based was my first suggestion |
| 00:12.10 | Bogus8 | gonna look |
| 00:12.24 | c_newbie | help please :( |
| 00:12.26 | Bogus8 | I read about Citadel on linuxquestions.org and then it was in one of my linux mags |
| 00:12.35 | Saar | tell people to use outlook for JUST calander and use a proper emailer to trust their email to :) |
| 00:12.48 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: if you are just wanting a fast set of disk then don't put your system on the same drive |
| 00:13.10 | Bogus8 | get a 3rd drive for your system |
| 00:13.21 | Bogus8 | Saar: yeah, I agree... but that aint gonna happen :( |
| 00:14.09 | Saar | Bogus8: i know, windoze idiocy is hard to root out ;-) |
| 00:14.13 | jetscreamer | 42 |
| 00:14.28 | c_newbie | any manual "how to do" it? |
| 00:14.29 | Bogus8 | Saar: and my brother is in deep... goes to the seminars and all |
| 00:14.36 | Saar | poor guy |
| 00:14.44 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: to do the 3rd drive type thing? |
| 00:14.44 | jetscreamer | c_newbie: ask at the same time in other channels, like ##linux |
| 00:14.59 | Bogus8 | hehe |
| 00:15.18 | jetscreamer | spread pattern, shotgun approach |
| 00:15.42 | Bogus8 | he should have pretended he was a girl ;) |
| 00:15.44 | jetscreamer | aka swing a wide net |
| 00:15.46 | Saar | i think using a raid on debian should be transparent if you have a hardware raid |
| 00:15.47 | jetscreamer | yeah or that |
| 00:15.50 | jetscreamer | works every time |
| 00:15.52 | Saar | at least it is here |
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| 00:16.14 | Bogus8 | Saar: he doesn't |
| 00:16.15 | jetscreamer | change your name to jessica, c_newbie :) |
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| 00:16.25 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 00:16.32 | Bogus8 | and wait a day and ask again |
| 00:16.46 | Bogus8 | or atleast 12 hours when everyone here now will be asleep |
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| 00:17.09 | Saar | why not use lvm and combine a bunch of hds into one big hd |
| 00:17.26 | Bogus8 | Saar: but you were right, hardware raid = transparency |
| 00:17.42 | Bogus8 | I got a server on a raid 1 system for a client |
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| 00:17.52 | Bogus8 | (hardware) |
| 00:17.57 | fredrica | help i can't install etch! |
| 00:18.05 | Saar | we have quite a lot of raid servers |
| 00:18.13 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: did you really do it? |
| 00:18.28 | Nyle | 1 |
| 00:18.34 | Saar | fredrica: neither can we ;-) |
| 00:18.42 | Saar | fredrica: what is the problem? |
| 00:18.50 | Bogus8 | Saar: I qouted another company on one... but they are "dell people" so who knows... at least I was almost half the price of dell |
| 00:18.54 | fredrica | it doesn't work |
| 00:19.02 | fredrica | i have raid |
| 00:19.08 | Bogus8 | you are shitting me |
| 00:19.13 | Bogus8 | someone ban him |
| 00:19.17 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 00:19.24 | Saar | well, we even have (retired) dell servers with hardware raid |
| 00:19.29 | Bogus8 | 19:18 < Bogus8> c_newbie: did you really do it? |
| 00:19.30 | jetscreamer | suckers |
| 00:19.33 | Bogus8 | ^ I knew it |
| 00:19.40 | Saar | FredricR: it doesn't work is of no help |
| 00:19.48 | Saar | Fredrica |
| 00:19.49 | Bogus8 | Saar: that's c_newbie |
| 00:19.51 | jetscreamer | > fredrica (n=jetx@c-76-30-255-250.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
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| 00:20.02 | jetscreamer | no it's me |
| 00:20.04 | jetscreamer | was |
| 00:20.16 | jetscreamer | <-- fredrica has quit ( |
| 00:20.29 | Bogus8 | Saar: they have descent hardware but to add a second hard drive (for the raid1) 500gig SATA $400 bucks! |
| 00:20.35 | jetscreamer | c_newbie: you don't even have to wait :) |
| 00:20.39 | Saar | oops i missed that :D |
| 00:20.49 | Bogus8 | jetscreamer: ah nerd |
| 00:20.54 | Saar | ugh that question was almost as bad as "my internet is broken" |
| 00:21.02 | Saar | help?!? |
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| 00:21.30 | Saar | sure $400, but that's the price you pay for storage |
| 00:21.55 | Bogus8 | Saar: that drive my cost is 110 bucks |
| 00:22.04 | Bogus8 | I can only imagine what dell pays |
| 00:22.17 | jetscreamer | iirc you can get a 500 for cheaper |
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| 00:22.30 | Saar | cheap isn't better per se |
| 00:22.36 | Bogus8 | a WD SATA 500gig drive at newegg is 110 shipped (or was a week ago) |
| 00:22.50 | jetscreamer | wd/seagate for me |
| 00:22.53 | explody | Saar: groupwise? at least it runs on linux |
| 00:23.04 | c_newbie | Bogus8: yes |
| 00:23.13 | Saar | your guess is as good as mine |
| 00:23.15 | jetscreamer | maxtor is getting really cheap though |
| 00:23.21 | explody | yes I'm coming into the conversation really late |
| 00:23.23 | c_newbie | and none happen |
| 00:23.24 | Bogus8 | either way dell is raping you |
| 00:23.28 | Saar | maxtor is crap |
| 00:23.34 | explody | they're all crap |
| 00:23.39 | Saar | the hds which die here are maxtors |
| 00:23.43 | explody | that's why you buy two and make sure you have a warranty |
| 00:23.45 | jetscreamer | i have many maxtor paperweights |
| 00:23.48 | Saar | and an ibm deathstar ;-) |
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| 00:23.57 | rahul | WD made wonderful paperweights |
| 00:24.07 | jetscreamer | my 6 gig wd's finally started breaking |
| 00:24.08 | rahul | my maxtor has lasted me 5 years |
| 00:24.09 | Bogus8 | Saar: yeah, I see a few out of OEM machines (emachines) die a lot vs my wd's don't |
| 00:24.20 | jetscreamer | so did the 20 |
| 00:24.31 | jetscreamer | my 200 rocks |
| 00:24.32 | explody | I lose drives from every manufacturer on a regular basis. occasionally one will put out a bad batch, but I haven't seen any one manuf. be truly better than any of the others |
| 00:24.47 | jetscreamer | i've just seen maxtor and toshiba suck |
| 00:24.56 | jetscreamer | the others are like even-ish maybe |
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| 00:25.06 | Bogus8 | everyone has their own experiences that will jade their opinion but the bottom line is WD/Seagate are equally good and there are some others that are shaddy |
| 00:25.17 | Saar | i believe seagate is best |
| 00:25.17 | jetscreamer | i have a few toshiba notebook paperweights also |
| 00:25.22 | Saar | but maybe i am biased |
| 00:25.36 | jetscreamer | i just go by the paperweight collection |
| 00:25.42 | zOrK | the installation cannot mount the CD, it works perfectly on windows |
| 00:25.55 | explody | no, they truth is they _all_ suck, they _all_ put out batches of paperweights, but if any one of them has a good run, any one of them may last for years |
| 00:25.57 | jetscreamer | what cd |
| 00:26.04 | Bogus8 | Saar: exactly, your personal experience gives you that belief... and that is perfectly valid... I am on the WD side.. but if Seagate has a better drive for the right price I'll gladly get it |
| 00:26.09 | Saar | hehe i have an ancient 40 mb prairietek hd which still works, or ought to, last time i checked |
| 00:26.24 | explody | woohoo MFM |
| 00:26.27 | jetscreamer | i have an rll 10mb that worked when i turned it off last |
| 00:26.38 | jetscreamer | wd also :) |
| 00:26.48 | rahul | y'all are penixhugglers |
| 00:26.53 | explody | Saar: were you looking for a new email system? |
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| 00:27.11 | jetscreamer | what cd zOrK |
| 00:27.19 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike rahul |
| 00:27.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:27.19 | zOrK | the installation one |
| 00:27.27 | rahul | heh |
| 00:27.34 | rahul | zOrK: which one? |
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| 00:27.43 | zOrK | i got into the debian-installer stuff but at the moment of cdrom mounting it doesnt work |
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| 00:27.46 | rahul | that's like saying "the car" |
| 00:27.49 | zOrK | first onme |
| 00:27.53 | jetscreamer | zOrK: did you do the test the cd option at the bottom? |
| 00:28.03 | rahul | zOrK: what kind of CDROM drive? |
| 00:28.10 | rahul | where is it connected? SATA? |
| 00:28.16 | jetscreamer | zOrK: 'possibly' a bad burn, but the autorun/html file works |
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| 00:28.27 | zOrK | it works jetscreamer |
| 00:28.31 | zOrK | the autorun stuff works |
| 00:28.32 | Saar | explody: not me |
| 00:28.36 | Saar | Bogus8 was |
| 00:28.42 | explody | ah |
| 00:28.46 | jetscreamer | yeah... but maybe some other part isn't working.. |
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| 00:28.57 | zOrK | i tried with gentoo , ubuntu, debian |
| 00:28.57 | Bogus8 | explody: looking for something that has shared calendar that works in Outlook |
| 00:28.58 | zOrK | nothing works |
| 00:29.03 | jetscreamer | been there done that btw zOrK |
| 00:29.04 | zOrK | itīs not about how i burn cds |
| 00:29.12 | jetscreamer | zOrK: goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:29.19 | Bogus8 | zOrK: did you run the cd checker app on boot? |
| 00:29.25 | jetscreamer | won't erase windows (unless you tell it to) |
| 00:29.26 | rahul | zOrK: you probably have wacky hardware |
| 00:29.27 | zOrK | nop |
| 00:29.32 | explody | Bogus8: I'm in the middle of replacing an old exchange system, I've eval'd a ton of systems recently |
| 00:29.36 | jetscreamer | no cd required |
| 00:29.36 | zOrK | rahul i think so |
| 00:29.42 | zOrK | how cud i fix that? |
| 00:29.48 | zOrK | i read by upgrading firmware somewhere |
| 00:29.50 | Bogus8 | explody: I'd love to hear what you found and your thoughts on the topic |
| 00:29.54 | Saar | http://www.zimbra.com/ |
| 00:29.55 | zOrK | iīve got 2 cd rom drivers, neither works |
| 00:29.58 | explody | Bogus8: scalix, zimbra, Sun JES, groupwise |
| 00:30.06 | Saar | # Integrated email, calendar, documents, VoIP |
| 00:30.06 | Saar | # Microsoft Outlook, Apple, and Linux desktop compatibility |
| 00:30.13 | explody | zimbra has good marketing, don't mistake that for quality |
| 00:30.24 | rahul | zOrK: it's not the drive, it's the controller |
| 00:30.26 | Bogus8 | explody: yeah, just at their site and it "LOOKED" great |
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| 00:30.34 | zOrK | rahul how to fix that, dude? |
| 00:30.47 | rahul | zOrK: get a supported controller... |
| 00:30.55 | explody | Bogus8: zimbra doesn't have shared folders, which was a deal-killer for me |
| 00:31.03 | Bogus8 | explody: was that the order in which you rank your prefences of them? |
| 00:31.03 | zOrK | from where? |
| 00:31.07 | explody | Bogus8: I also found it to be a big fat hog |
| 00:31.14 | Saar | i wouldnt use it as an email server |
| 00:31.19 | rahul | a store |
| 00:31.22 | Bogus8 | noted |
| 00:31.23 | Saar | exim4 works good enough |
| 00:31.23 | explody | ummm |
| 00:31.35 | jetscreamer | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:31.41 | zOrK | what do you mean by supported controller? |
| 00:31.44 | zOrK | buy a new one ? |
| 00:31.45 | jetscreamer | anyway |
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| 00:31.47 | rahul | I mean one that works |
| 00:31.51 | zOrK | cd rom? |
| 00:31.52 | rahul | with debian |
| 00:31.56 | rahul | controller |
| 00:31.56 | jetscreamer | uh |
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| 00:32.09 | peterS | zOrK: no. the chip on your motherboard that the cdrom drive is plugged into. |
| 00:32.15 | zOrK | ok |
| 00:32.17 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com , install debian |
| 00:32.21 | explody | my focus is on groupwise right now, but it's not necessarily my first choice |
| 00:32.21 | jetscreamer | http:// |
| 00:32.29 | rahul | jetscreamer: how is that going to change the kernel? |
| 00:32.39 | rahul | jetscreamer: it's not recognized by the kernel |
| 00:32.50 | jetscreamer | the one on the installer |
| 00:32.51 | explody | but it has big names to make the execs happy, it runs on linux to make me happy, and it's still cheaper than MS |
| 00:32.58 | Bogus8 | explody: what was your first choice and why aren't you sticking with it? |
| 00:33.13 | rahul | the installer will rewrite itself? |
| 00:33.19 | jetscreamer | might be supported in a daily |
| 00:33.25 | rahul | oh |
| 00:33.26 | jetscreamer | testing |
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| 00:33.30 | jetscreamer | also |
| 00:33.42 | explody | Bogus8: I liked scalix and the Sun JES |
| 00:34.12 | peterS | zOrK: what you probably want to try is one of Kenshi Muto's images at http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 00:34.23 | jetscreamer | and iirc it uses dailies from joeyh.. the goodbyewindows |
| 00:34.24 | zOrK | ok |
| 00:34.29 | Bogus8 | explody: I'm gonna check them out... any other thoughts you have shoot em over |
| 00:34.31 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:34.32 | zOrK | iīve tried with 343434 disrts already |
| 00:34.34 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 00:34.37 | zOrK | shud that make a big change? |
| 00:34.42 | zOrK | distros |
| 00:34.46 | jetscreamer | later kernel |
| 00:34.47 | explody | specifically, I like Sun because I'm an old solaris admin, scalix had really nice backend features, zimbra uses components I know really well (cyrus, sendmail, etc.) |
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| 00:35.28 | explody | OTOH, zimbra kept my system at 25% load when it was idle, outlook connectors for both scalix and zimbra are buggy |
| 00:35.31 | peterS | zOrK: kmuto has a debian 4.0 installer with kernel 2.6.21, which is a lot more recent than the regular installer which uses kernel 2.6.18. your hardware may be supported in the later kernel. |
| 00:35.40 | explody | JES is huge and complicated |
| 00:35.48 | zOrK | thanks |
| 00:35.51 | explody | (hoever JES is totally free, though not open source) |
| 00:35.52 | peterS | zOrK: I have no idea what hardware you have, though, so I can't check this, it is just a guess |
| 00:36.00 | Bogus8 | explody: well, my brother has never really run linux so... |
| 00:36.13 | explody | how many users? |
| 00:36.23 | johnadsfsdfdf | i have two disks in my computer /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, sdb is partitioned from an old machine, how can i format it and create one large partition |
| 00:36.23 | zOrK | itīs a SONY DVD-ROM DDU |
| 00:36.28 | zOrK | itīs a SONY DVD-ROM DDU1615 |
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| 00:37.31 | Bogus8 | explody: honestly I don't know... probably no more than 25 but MAYBE 50 ... no more than that I'm sure |
| 00:37.42 | Bogus8 | he's just a contract guy, not full time so they can't be too big |
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| 00:37.59 | explody | zimbra |
| 00:38.16 | rahul | CON TROLL ER |
| 00:38.27 | rahul | not drive |
| 00:38.43 | explody | despite the drawbacks of zimbra, the other systems are so complex it's probably overkill |
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| 00:38.57 | explody | hell, Sun JES scales to _millions_ of users |
| 00:39.05 | Bogus8 | explody: and the open source version would suffice? |
| 00:39.31 | explody | Bogus8: I ran it for a while on my box, it was fine except it was a bit heavy |
| 00:39.41 | peterS | zOrK: as rahul just said again - I told you before - we care about the chip on your motherboard that your drive is plugged into. we don't care about the cdrom drive at all. all modern cdrom drives will work equally well. |
| 00:39.44 | Bogus8 | explody: specs on that box/ |
| 00:39.47 | explody | out-of-the-box virus and spam filtering |
| 00:39.54 | mikethec | hello all |
| 00:39.54 | Bogus8 | that's nice |
| 00:39.58 | explody | small, celery 2.4gHz w/ 512MB |
| 00:40.18 | rahul | not just equally _well_, but equally _period_ |
| 00:40.23 | explody | kept the box sitting at like 0.25 system load when absolutely nothing was happening |
| 00:40.33 | Bogus8 | explody: well, still if just doing email with a low amount of users should be ok |
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| 00:40.56 | Bogus8 | explody: yeah, that's odd |
| 00:41.14 | Bogus8 | explody: did you ever email and ask them about it or anything? |
| 00:41.22 | Bogus8 | (is that typical) |
| 00:41.58 | explody | not really, I had too much other stuff going on |
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| 00:42.09 | explody | but the setup was easy and the feature set was really nice |
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| 00:42.44 | explody | I would still be evaluating it if it had shared folders |
| 00:42.59 | Bogus8 | explody: I'll definitely give them all a look... free = easier sale but I haven't even seen their prices yet |
| 00:43.14 | explody | $28 per user per year |
| 00:43.40 | Bogus8 | is that normal? |
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| 00:43.45 | explody | scalix runs you $60 per user the first year and $12/user per year after that |
| 00:43.46 | explody | yes |
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| 00:44.04 | explody | Sun JES is $50 per user per year |
| 00:44.14 | Bogus8 | because they are providing "support" |
| 00:44.28 | explody | that's what the recurring costs are yes |
| 00:44.43 | peterS | wow, for more than a few users that really starts to add up |
| 00:44.45 | Bogus8 | you think it's worth it (needed) |
| 00:44.51 | explody | peterS: yep |
| 00:44.52 | Bogus8 | the support |
| 00:45.08 | explody | Bogus8: I can't say, I don't know how much you might need it |
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| 00:45.24 | explody | Bogus8: the paid version gets extra features too, you should check those out |
| 00:45.25 | Bogus8 | explody: True.. it depends on the admin I guess |
| 00:45.33 | Saar | i wonder what's wrong with good old fashioned pen and paper for calender stuff |
| 00:45.39 | explody | Bogus8: mostly it depends on how crappy the software is ;) |
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| 00:45.52 | Bogus8 | I guess I was just wondering if the info was out there to be found when there are problems |
| 00:45.59 | Saar | or your own memory, i never write down my appointments |
| 00:46.15 | explody | Bogus8: I used their forums a bit, they are pretty active |
| 00:46.27 | Bogus8 | Saar: notes are hard to pass around the office and when there are satellite offices even harder ;) |
| 00:46.35 | Bogus8 | (you got to compensate for wind) |
| 00:46.48 | Saar | use email :) |
| 00:47.13 | Bogus8 | Saar: email everyone that you are going to be busy at X time... hmm 20 users all doing that? |
| 00:47.21 | explody | Bogus8: btw, the free version of zimbra doesn't come with the outlook connector |
| 00:47.30 | Bogus8 | explody: bah, that's lame |
| 00:47.36 | Saar | well doesnt a calender utility do that also, email? |
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| 00:47.48 | Saar | it just hides the email part in a fancy tool |
| 00:47.50 | Bogus8 | Saar: I guess if you want it to |
| 00:48.08 | explody | Bogus8: come to think of it, the only really free system with an outlook connector that I know of is Sun JES |
| 00:48.10 | Bogus8 | Saar: ah, I see... yeah but you aren't constantly getting "new mail" alerts |
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| 00:48.59 | Saar | yeah well |
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| 00:49.59 | Bogus8 | I would rarely look at the calendar, unless I was curious if someone was in the office or whatever |
| 00:50.08 | Bogus8 | maybe a few times a month |
| 00:50.15 | Bogus8 | so I'd hate to be recieving all those emails |
| 00:51.18 | sarixe | themill : yes i did, thanks |
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| 00:52.34 | Saar | ugh i am reading http://www.sun.com/software/javaenterprisesystem/index.jsp but i don't really get what it actually does, too much BS |
| 00:52.34 | darrh00 | msg bots NOT people |
| 00:52.34 | explody | Saar: Sun JES Communications Suite |
| 00:52.35 | dansushi[server] | how do i get xorg to start at boot? |
| 00:52.42 | Saar | Bogus8: normally I notice if someone isn't in cause i don't see them ;-) |
| 00:52.49 | explody | Saar: aka iPlanet mail server aka Netscape Mail Server |
| 00:52.52 | Saar | explody: oh oj |
| 00:53.02 | Saar | oh ok even |
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| 00:53.08 | Saar | netscape mail server, ugh |
| 00:53.11 | c_newbie | finally |
| 00:53.13 | c_newbie | working |
| 00:53.17 | c_newbie | 1 server raid 0 |
| 00:53.20 | Bogus8 | Saar: well, in my office they are all "bosses" so they come and go a lot and I never know if they are at a long lunch or are off shore (I usually come in a little after lunch) |
| 00:53.21 | c_newbie | ok |
| 00:53.25 | explody | they've improved it a lot, but that's basically what it is, yes |
| 00:53.29 | c_newbie | now, how to create raid 10 |
| 00:53.38 | peterS | oy, don't put "server" and "raid 0" in the same sentence |
| 00:53.49 | c_newbie | huh? |
| 00:54.15 | troubled | c_newbie: you should have just went with lvm |
| 00:54.23 | explody | http://www.sun.com/software/communications_suite/index.xml |
| 00:54.33 | Saar | Bogus8: maybe they won't like it if everyone know what they're up to.... long lunches 'n shit ;-) |
| 00:54.35 | c_newbie | troubled: pardon? |
| 00:54.41 | c_newbie | raid 1 + lvm? |
| 00:54.43 | explody | It's complicated, don't get into it unless you have time to spare |
| 00:54.47 | dogmeat | during debian install is there a status progress backtrace in a virtual console ? was trying to watch console 4, but its not updated frequencly |
| 00:54.48 | Saar | maybe they prefer a fuzzy idea of there whereabouts |
| 00:54.52 | Saar | their |
| 00:54.56 | troubled | c_newbie: i assume you went with software raid 0 instead of lvm to join the two empty spaces? |
| 00:55.12 | c_newbie | err |
| 00:55.19 | c_newbie | i user raid 0 tho |
| 00:55.22 | peterS | troubled: raid 0 isn't the same as linear, you know |
| 00:55.22 | Saar | explody: checking |
| 00:55.24 | c_newbie | not to join |
| 00:55.33 | c_newbie | but i need the performance of raid 0 |
| 00:55.44 | Bogus8 | Saar: well, they would put something clever in or just wouldn't put anything but I'd know I could expect them back |
| 00:55.49 | peterS | Saar: so _that_'s why employees don't tend to wear gps locator badges keyed into a server with an online map |
| 00:56.06 | Saar | haha |
| 00:56.21 | troubled | peterS: what are you suggesting is different? |
| 00:56.30 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: did you look at raid 5 |
| 00:56.30 | troubled | striping? |
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| 00:56.52 | peterS | troubled: yes, raid 0 is striping |
| 00:56.57 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you get any of my messages? |
| 00:56.59 | Nyle | peterS: yo |
| 00:57.06 | Bogus8 | peterS: certainly not in the oil field :) |
| 00:57.07 | peterS | Nyle: you should go beat up troubled |
| 00:57.07 | troubled | peterS: i seem to recall lvm having that though |
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| 00:58.11 | Bogus8 | I thought LVM was not really strictly anything... JBOD thing |
| 00:58.13 | peterS | troubled: maybe before using it on my head, you should find the place where you can do raid 0 in lvm |
| 00:58.26 | explody | lvm is lvm, it's not RAID |
| 00:58.34 | Bogus8 | right |
| 00:58.54 | explody | but I would personally never do anything with a RAID0 |
| 00:58.59 | explody | scary |
| 00:59.26 | c_newbie | Bogus8: the database is only to READ |
| 00:59.27 | c_newbie | :) |
| 00:59.35 | c_newbie | that's why i need nly raid 0 |
| 00:59.55 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: so this is static data, which is backed up elsewhere? |
| 01:00.02 | troubled | peterS: then what differences are their between lvm with strips and raid0? |
| 01:00.07 | c_newbie | err.. i guess so |
| 01:00.09 | explody | c_newbie: just be aware that if you lose one disk, you lose ALL the data |
| 01:00.17 | c_newbie | i know :) |
| 01:00.22 | explody | cool |
| 01:00.23 | peterS | troubled: never heard of "lvm with strips" |
| 01:00.33 | c_newbie | but ive been using it with raid 0 before, almost 2 years already |
| 01:00.40 | Nyle | chicken strips |
| 01:00.49 | c_newbie | the hardest thing is, to create this stupid raid 10 |
| 01:00.57 | c_newbie | took me 10 hours with no result |
| 01:00.58 | c_newbie | :D |
| 01:01.00 | troubled | peterS: one sec, perhaps I miread the feature since i havent actually verified its effect when used |
| 01:01.07 | explody | he's babbling, all he means is you can just put both disks into an LVM volume group, and create one big logical drive out of them |
| 01:01.16 | Bogus8 | c_newbie: then just use a big raid 0 and don't worry about it |
| 01:01.18 | explody | effectively a RAID0 |
| 01:01.44 | troubled | peterS: im thinking the lvcreate --help, the --stripes switch |
| 01:02.13 | troubled | peterS: that combined with readahead opens and such and It seems possible to have all the same settings of a raid0 |
| 01:02.17 | epsilon | .oo Bad word detected: RAID0 |
| 01:02.26 | peterS | troubled: it does look similar |
| 01:02.31 | explody | it is similar |
| 01:03.09 | explody | and it uses device-mapper, just like dm-raid |
| 01:03.22 | troubled | peterS: i mean, i have no idea is it does the same thing on disk for sure, but it seems very possible (and preffered to me since its lvm and well known) to accomplish the same exact logical view of the data with lvm |
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| 01:04.05 | troubled | lvm may not have all the parity disk settings and all the extra stuff needed for other raid levels, but I think its got raid0 copied |
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| 01:04.44 | troubled | chunksize+contiguous+stripes = raid0 no? |
| 01:04.45 | Bogus8 | troubled: essentially |
| 01:04.57 | troubled | ok so my point was valid :) ty |
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| 01:05.04 | explody | c_newbie: take a look at this, it might suit you well. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO |
| 01:05.04 | Bogus8 | to your first statement |
| 01:05.17 | Bogus8 | troubled: I'm not answering your actual question ;) |
| 01:05.20 | epsilon | lvm is 'bunch of disks', chaining the disks. No [R]edudant-[A]rray-ID at all |
| 01:05.28 | troubled | Bogus8: arent you helpful ;) |
| 01:05.33 | Bogus8 | troubled: anytime |
| 01:05.34 | explody | troubled: is a motorcycle a car? |
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| 01:05.44 | Bogus8 | explody: how in the world did you find that guide ;) |
| 01:05.52 | troubled | epsilon: and what is raid0 logically? :) |
| 01:05.54 | explody | troubled: they both have wheels and an engine, right? |
| 01:06.02 | troubled | a concatenation of disks/partitions |
| 01:06.16 | explody | no it's a redundant array of inexpensive disks |
| 01:06.31 | Bogus8 | raid 0 isn't redundant |
| 01:06.35 | troubled | congrats, you have discovered that they has different names and features :) |
| 01:06.49 | epsilon | [Redundant]-AID0 is not a RAID in actual meaning at all. RAID0 does *not* support nay redundancy. |
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| 01:06.53 | explody | Bogus8: I know |
| 01:07.01 | troubled | and neither is lvm+stripes with a 2+ physical volume lv |
| 01:07.08 | explody | epsilon: that was my next point, thx ;) |
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| 01:07.17 | Bogus8 | explody: I get it.. you were spelling out the acronym |
| 01:07.22 | epsilon | do does LVM, it's a logical drive |
| 01:07.42 | peterS | epsilon: you seem to be ignoring the point that lvm supports a mode which looks very like raid0 |
| 01:07.49 | explody | but isn't |
| 01:07.55 | explody | no matter how much you think it is |
| 01:08.02 | peterS | explody: what's the difference then? |
| 01:08.06 | Bogus8 | but is lvm actually told to write and read like a raid 0? |
| 01:08.11 | c_newbie | explody: what is it lvm for? |
| 01:09.18 | explody | a way to dynamically manage storage by abstracting the physical media upon which it resides |
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| 01:10.13 | bazz | i have an hdd in a usb enclosure and i think it's going bad. are there any utilities to test hdds that don't require the drive to be connected directy to the ide/scsi bus? |
| 01:11.00 | explody | peterS: in software, there is not a huge difference in the way that LVM and RAID0 work. That does not detract from the point that logical volume management is not RAID, nor vice versa. Hence the motorcycle-car analogy |
| 01:11.10 | explody | (on linux that is) |
| 01:11.33 | peterS | explody: that's a lot of words there, to say essentially "I refuse to answer your question" |
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| 01:12.05 | peterS | explody: for that matter, on irc, if you don't want to answer someone's question, you can always just say nothing at all |
| 01:12.08 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 01:12.21 | jetscreamer | my god still raid |
| 01:12.24 | Bogus8 | I thought he answered it well |
| 01:12.26 | explody | if you want to compare the internals of the two, the code is freely available |
| 01:12.41 | jetlaw | there's a new sherrif in town |
| 01:12.51 | explody | I'm not refusing to answer anything, but I'm not substituting myself for you reading the fucking manuals either |
| 01:13.22 | peterS | explody: I don't want to compare the internals. I want to look at the effect. lvm allows you to create a volume group which is striped across multiple physical disks, with a provided stripe size. this looks a great deal like raid0. please explain what the essential difference is, such that one would be justified in saying it isn't in fact equivalent to raid0 |
| 01:13.37 | peterS | explody: s/volume group/logical volume/ - sorry |
| 01:13.43 | explody | a hah! |
| 01:13.56 | explody | I never at any point said it was not equivalent |
| 01:14.07 | peterS | so in otherwords you're being a pedantic bore - ok |
| 01:14.16 | jetlaw | zzz |
| 01:14.33 | explody | um no, I'm making sure there is no muddling of the fact that LVM and RAID are not the same thing |
| 01:14.33 | Bogus8 | peterS: well, you can't do it in hardware so it's slower |
| 01:14.51 | peterS | Bogus8: errr, how is hardware raid0 ever going to be faster than software raid 0? that doesn't make sense to me |
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| 01:15.09 | explody | let me help you since you apparently can't reach google from your machine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_volume_management |
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| 01:15.21 | explody | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID |
| 01:15.25 | peterS | explody: you seem to have a rather restricted view of the definition of raid. like it has to be implemented by some layer that calls itself a raid subsystem? |
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| 01:15.31 | Bogus8 | because you aren't using your cpu to sort things out... same reason equal speed scsi drives are faster or the less speed firewire is faster than usb2.0 |
| 01:15.32 | jetlaw | dirditdirdah |
| 01:15.40 | jetlaw | s/dir/dit/ |
| 01:15.52 | peterS | Bogus8: the same amount of data gets sent to the same disks either way. how is hardware assist going to help? |
| 01:16.02 | peterS | Bogus8: it's not like you have to calculate parity, or send multiple copies of your data, or anything |
| 01:16.23 | Bogus8 | peterS: because the hard ware is doing the managing NOT your cpu, freeing up cyles ergo leaving them for processes to use |
| 01:16.48 | peterS | Bogus8: you seem to assume there are significant numbers of cycles required to support striping data across multiple disks. I rather doubt it. |
| 01:16.49 | Bogus8 | jetlaw: and how retarded was that :p |
| 01:16.56 | peterS | Bogus8: like I said, this has nothing to do with calculating parity stripes |
| 01:17.26 | Bogus8 | peterS: if there is a single cyle for it it's still faster so you are wrong and YOU can't admit it just like you are accusing explody |
| 01:17.30 | explody | Bogus8: no, he's right hardware really wouldn't help much if at all with raid0 |
| 01:17.40 | peterS | Bogus8: if you have a look at the difference between your CPU speed and your disk speed, I think you'll find that the amount of processing to redirect some disk reads/writes to a raid 0 configuration is waaaaaaaaaaaaay down in the noise |
| 01:17.56 | Bogus8 | explody: I'm not saying it would make a HUGE difference but it would techinically out perform it |
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| 01:18.07 | peterS | Bogus8: so you're another pedantic bore, then. "faster" to me means "measurably faster". not "one cycle faster" |
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| 01:18.28 | Bogus8 | I guess so then |
| 01:19.02 | peterS | hey - just remember, you started it |
| 01:19.10 | explody | no, troubled started it |
| 01:19.19 | explody | and we all chimed in |
| 01:19.23 | c_newbie | hehehe |
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| 01:19.45 | c_newbie | why you guys stop argueing and help me how to create raid 10 with software raid |
| 01:19.52 | c_newbie | :( im dying.. |
| 01:19.52 | sarixe | epiclulz : how's that fios compared to anything else |
| 01:19.53 | sarixe | ? |
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| 01:20.10 | epiclulz | 20mbit download.. what's not to like |
| 01:20.10 | explody | peterS: and just because someone does not subscribe to the way that _you_ look at something does not make them a pedantic bore |
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| 01:20.21 | sarixe | epiclulz : that is truly epic. |
| 01:20.30 | epiclulz | sarixe, lulz |
| 01:20.34 | sarixe | lolol |
| 01:21.31 | peterS | explody: it does to me. my term for people who split hairs to make themselves look smarter is "pedantic bore". yours might be something else, like "really smart dude" |
| 01:22.14 | pipeline | explody: for example, for my part, I don't see you as a "pedantic bore," as I abhor redundancy. "Pedant," alone, suffices. |
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| 01:23.24 | explody | *sigh* It doesn't matter what you think of me, no matter how much you think this is "splitting hairs", the two things are not the same thing |
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| 01:24.29 | peterS | explody: no, it doesn't matter what I think of you. I think you should stop obsessing about what I think of you |
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| 01:25.34 | explody | hey, you keep mentioning it, not me |
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| 01:25.59 | peterS | pipeline: hmmm, good point |
| 01:27.02 | explody | just sit back and relax in the warm embrace of your intellectual ego, I'm going home. |
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| 01:27.26 | pipeline | explody: dude, there's no substitute for smarm. It's like opiates without the constipation. |
| 01:27.43 | explody | hahaha |
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| 01:27.56 | explody | that was actually funny |
| 01:28.12 | peterS | opiates cause constipation? see, I never knew that |
| 01:30.17 | pipeline | peterS: You should spend more time with slavering pedants like myself. |
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| 01:30.29 | pipeline | peterS: it would be a race between dying of rage and boredom |
| 01:31.00 | peterS | pipeline: actually I'm not sure about your redundancy comment, now. it seems to me there is such a thing as a pedant who manages to remain interesting. it is possible that you are one. |
| 01:33.00 | jetscreamer | zomg still going... energizerbunny action! |
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| 01:34.20 | LordWolF | sup all |
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| 01:38.16 | zOrK | how can I download a debian distro with the latest kernel? |
| 01:38.19 | zOrK | or where |
| 01:39.04 | LordWolF | check www.debian.org |
| 01:39.16 | asg | zOrK: latest debian kernel or latest vanilla kernel? |
| 01:39.24 | peterS | zOrK: I already told you |
| 01:39.25 | zOrK | latest debian kernel |
| 01:39.28 | zOrK | peterS |
| 01:39.30 | zOrK | i was looking for you |
| 01:39.33 | zOrK | just missed the url |
| 01:39.37 | zOrK | how was that |
| 01:39.41 | rwp | Install Stable (currently Etch) and then switch to Unstable Sid. |
| 01:39.47 | peterS | zOrK: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:39.52 | zOrK | thanks |
| 01:39.55 | peterS | rwp: no, his problem is unsupported hardware |
| 01:39.56 | zOrK | iīd like to find the torrent |
| 01:41.43 | LordWolF | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 01:41.46 | LordWolF | enjoy |
| 01:42.40 | peterS | LordWolF: dude. you might pay a tiny little bit of attention. I provided the answer he wanted (there is context from an earlier conversation). the torrents in the location you specify do not include the images from my URL. |
| 01:43.25 | LordWolF | my bad |
| 01:46.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | I want to convert my capslock to a backspace. I can do it with xkeycaps, but the changes don't remain permanent. I tried using xmodmap, and even making KDE start it during bootup and read the config file I made with xkeycaps, but caps lock is still alive and kickin' after a reboot. |
| 01:46.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | can anyone give me a hand? |
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| 01:50.18 | Gaidin | hello, i just upgraded to testing and now my external hard-drive is showing twice on the desktop both icons point to /media/MYBOOK/ and when i unmount one it just stops the other one working how would i go about removing the extra icon? |
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| 01:50.56 | Gaidin | i am new to 'nix btw |
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| 01:55.25 | robboplus | how do i make wget follow links like this one? so download starts immediately |
| 01:55.28 | robboplus | http://chrysaor.info/download.php?file=14&mirror=eu |
| 01:55.50 | Jehst | I'm Straight up Hood, San. |
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| 01:57.31 | Jehst | I'm Straight up Hood, San. |
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| 01:58.13 | krazykit | Jehst, you're in IRC. nobody is straight up hood in IRC. |
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| 02:00.37 | ponyofdeath | hi, i have a process stuck on an nfs mount and i cannot kill or unmount that dir what is the best way to handle this? |
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| 02:01.49 | asg | ponyofdeath: you might try umount -l |
| 02:01.56 | ponyofdeath | asg: thanks |
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| 02:04.30 | ponyofdeath | asg: that unmounted but process is still unkillable |
| 02:05.01 | asg | ponyofdeath: yes, there isn't much you can do about that unless you reboot or it manages to get itself out of the IO wait it's in. |
| 02:06.33 | ponyofdeath | asg thanks |
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| 02:07.30 | Nick0r | hi guys, when i go to start mysql i get this error: |
| 02:07.32 | Nick0r | 070907 03:03:01 mysqld started |
| 02:07.34 | Nick0r | 070907 3:03:01 [ERROR] Can't start server: Bind on TCP/IP port: Address already in use |
| 02:07.36 | Nick0r | 070907 3:03:01 [ERROR] Do you already have another mysqld server running on port: 3306 ? |
| 02:07.38 | Nick0r | how can I debug this? |
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| 02:34.37 | wolch | hi, how to set-up the internet connection for a adsl gateway ie. what to fill in for the IP Address, Subnet Mask and the IP Gateway? |
| 02:34.54 | regulate | using the information your ISP gave you. |
| 02:35.01 | abrotman | or pppoe |
| 02:35.13 | regulate | gross |
| 02:35.38 | abrotman | and that's DSL :) |
| 02:35.44 | wolch | my ISP only gives me the User ID and an initial password to use. |
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| 02:38.06 | wolch | how to use pppoe? |
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| 02:39.04 | qiyong | is there any good mp3 editor? |
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| 02:39.35 | abrotman | for the sound or the tags ? |
| 02:39.46 | wolch | regulate, abrotman, heh? |
| 02:40.13 | Nyle | audacity maybe |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | i'd imagine if you install the pppoe packages .. there's a conf program |
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| 02:40.52 | wolch | ok, thks. |
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| 02:42.33 | Nyle | wolch: not you |
| 02:42.34 | Nyle | sorry |
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| 02:55.22 | esaym | what does everyone recommend for resizing vista NTFS partitions? |
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| 02:55.57 | peterS | I almost recommend just removing vista entirely, that solves the problem too |
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| 02:57.29 | cast | esaym: fuck resizing, just copy back from your second backup :) |
| 02:59.18 | esaym | this is for a linux install fest held for students in the unix class at the local community college. Of course they don't have backups and we can't be tearing there stuff op... |
| 02:59.24 | Throat | !ntfs resize |
| 02:59.24 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs resize is http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html |
| 02:59.32 | ameyer | !ntfs sucks |
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| 03:00.11 | Throat | i have no idea if/how vista ntfs differs from nt/xp/w2k ntfs |
| 03:00.16 | Throat | guess not at all? |
| 03:00.19 | esaym | that website ain't loading.... |
| 03:00.31 | ameyer | I think it differs |
| 03:00.43 | Throat | pity... U |
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| 03:00.45 | Throat | ASKIN |
| 03:00.47 | esaym | I think it does. It seems to stop working easier after a resize with linux tools.... |
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| 03:00.49 | Throat | gmrp |
| 03:00.51 | ameyer | although I have not touched Vista, and I'd prefer not to |
| 03:00.57 | Throat | asking dpkg normally works pretty well :) |
| 03:01.05 | esaym | Yea I have only seen vista at best buy |
| 03:01.31 | qiyong | is there any good mp3 tag editor? abrotman |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | apt-cache search mp3 tag edit |
| 03:02.07 | ameyer | esaym: I saw it at Sam's Club once |
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| 03:02.14 | ameyer | it was BSOD'd |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | that's a decent one |
| 03:02.43 | ameyer | too bad I didn't have a camera with me at the time |
| 03:03.09 | Throat | !qtparted |
| 03:03.09 | dpkg | it has been said that qtparted is a program for Linux which is used for creating, destroying, resizing and managing partitions. It uses the GNU Parted libraries and is built with the Qt toolkit. Unlike GNU Parted, it has inherent support for the resizing of NTFS partitions, using the ntfsresize utility. http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/faq.en.html apt-get install qtparted |
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| 03:03.51 | dakoo | hello |
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| 03:06.30 | grew | is there a debian sid package for alsa firmware? |
| 03:06.33 | grew | im not seeing one |
| 03:08.12 | jmichaelx | have any of you had any luck getting skype to run in lenny? |
| 03:08.27 | Penix | jmichaelx: probably |
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| 03:09.27 | abrotman | jmichaelx: does it not work for you ? |
| 03:10.12 | jmichaelx | abrotman: i have not tried it.... i as just wondering if it can be installed in lenny using skype's debian stable repo? |
| 03:10.17 | jmichaelx | i was* |
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| 03:10.32 | abrotman | you can try it .. but i'd not be surprised if it doesn't work |
| 03:11.10 | jmichaelx | yeah, i really did n't like the idea of doing that, but was wondering what others had done |
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| 03:18.34 | robboplus | is it normal to have inetd and xinetd running at the same time? |
| 03:18.56 | Penix | no |
| 03:19.05 | dalias | :P |
| 03:19.09 | robboplus | inetd is listening on 113 |
| 03:19.13 | robboplus | why is that? |
| 03:19.37 | robboplus | and xinetd is opened to some other service that i recognize |
| 03:19.45 | JeremyK | 113 is identd |
| 03:19.50 | robboplus | yes it is |
| 03:19.51 | dalias | do you know what inetd does? |
| 03:19.57 | dalias | and yes, identd != inetd... |
| 03:20.07 | robboplus | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:113 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2594/inetd |
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| 03:20.21 | Penix | heh |
| 03:20.21 | robboplus | why is inetd listening there and not just identd? |
| 03:20.23 | JeremyK | robboplus: right. and look at /etc/inetd.conf, i bet there's a line in there about identd |
| 03:20.27 | dalias | that means you have an identd configured in inetd.conf |
| 03:20.31 | Penix | robboplus: because you' |
| 03:20.32 | troubled | heh |
| 03:20.34 | Penix | re using inetd |
| 03:20.38 | dalias | robboplus, again, do you know what inetd does?? |
| 03:20.39 | robboplus | can i change it? |
| 03:20.50 | troubled | robboplus: dont, or you will break it :) |
| 03:20.51 | robboplus | dalias it invokes network services per request |
| 03:20.57 | lexa | morning |
| 03:21.00 | dalias | it's a master server that listens on all the ports for configured services and spawns the right handler per-connection |
| 03:21.03 | robboplus | morning lexa |
| 03:21.06 | lexa | )) |
| 03:21.13 | robboplus | dalias so is xinetd |
| 03:21.14 | troubled | robboplus: you understand what inetd is doing on that port right? |
| 03:21.17 | dalias | so unless you use a standalone identd server, inetd will be listening on that port |
| 03:21.20 | dalias | yes :) |
| 03:21.28 | dalias | running both inetd and xinetd is rather silly.. |
| 03:21.31 | robboplus | troubled hi! i do but at the same time xinetd is running.. |
| 03:21.35 | dalias | and could cause problems |
| 03:21.45 | dalias | aren't the packages marked conflicting in debian? |
| 03:21.47 | robboplus | dalias that i know already but this is why i'm asking |
| 03:21.54 | robboplus | dalias absolutely not |
| 03:22.12 | dalias | they probably should be.. |
| 03:22.15 | robboplus | what kind of troubles do i get exactly? networking issues? |
| 03:22.25 | JeremyK | dalias: why? they are independent of each other |
| 03:22.35 | robboplus | or i will just shutdown identd |
| 03:22.36 | JeremyK | robboplus: they could start fighting over ports, which would be bad. |
| 03:22.49 | dalias | well only bad to a limited level |
| 03:22.54 | dalias | the first one to open the port will get it |
| 03:22.57 | robboplus | i don't really need identd i believe |
| 03:22.57 | troubled | robboplus: why do you have both installed at the same time? |
| 03:23.02 | dalias | and the other will just fail to provide that service then |
| 03:23.03 | JeremyK | right but the other one might sit there trying to get the port |
| 03:23.10 | troubled | robboplus: and what port is xinetd listening on in netstat? |
| 03:23.15 | dalias | naw, it'll just fail once then give up |
| 03:23.26 | robboplus | troubled i installed identd long ago.. and then i added some other service that uses xinetd - i never setup it on my own |
| 03:23.53 | abrotman | uhm .. inetd and identd ? |
| 03:23.54 | robboplus | i wasn't aware of BOTH running until now when i rebooted and checked ports |
| 03:24.00 | robboplus | abrotman hi |
| 03:24.08 | JeremyK | strange that identd is setting itself up to run under inetd |
| 03:24.11 | troubled | robboplus: i suspect xinetd calls itself inetd? |
| 03:24.29 | robboplus | i will explain again: i just realised that i have both xinetd and inetd running, while inetd is running because identd is setup like that |
| 03:24.37 | robboplus | troubled that i don't know |
| 03:24.39 | troubled | robboplus: identd however is run via inetd's conf |
| 03:24.49 | robboplus | troubled is it possible to change that? |
| 03:24.53 | robboplus | so it runs on its own |
| 03:25.04 | troubled | robboplus: and would show your inetd's name, not identd's |
| 03:25.19 | robboplus | so in fact it's identd running |
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| 03:25.36 | jmichaelx | ok , i did just install skype in lenny from skype's debian stable repo, and so far it seems to work fine (for how long, who knows) |
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| 03:25.40 | troubled | robboplus: well no, thats not how inetd works. it listens, and on a connect, it runs the program |
| 03:25.49 | robboplus | troubled there are no connects |
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| 03:25.59 | robboplus | troubled that's why i'm surprised it's there 24/7 |
| 03:26.05 | troubled | robboplus: thats why you see inetd's name and not identd's since identd hasnt run yet |
| 03:26.20 | robboplus | troubled oh i'm starting to get it |
| 03:26.35 | robboplus | troubled it would be the SAME for EVERY service defined in inetd.conf, right? |
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| 03:26.45 | robboplus | i would see like a bunch of inetds running then |
| 03:26.49 | troubled | robboplus: if your "inetd" listens on 20 ports, it will show up on all 20, not their service name |
| 03:26.52 | troubled | yes |
| 03:26.54 | robboplus | right. |
| 03:27.02 | Bogus8 | explody: you around? |
| 03:27.02 | robboplus | ok but how about xinetd running at the same time |
| 03:27.10 | robboplus | is it bad? |
| 03:27.11 | troubled | remember, *nix just tells you the truth, not what your asking :) |
| 03:27.17 | robboplus | right :) |
| 03:27.52 | robboplus | how about telling xinetd to handle identd for me? |
| 03:27.52 | troubled | robboplus: well, i cant be sure if xinetd calls itself via alternates, inetd or if it can be installed at the same time even |
| 03:28.16 | troubled | robboplus: looking at xinetd's package in etch though, i dont see a conflicts for it or a provides |
| 03:28.21 | robboplus | i could just move identd to xinetd if it's running anyway and say thanks to inetd, right? |
| 03:28.38 | lexa | why i could not use local repository from http? http://rafb.net/p/he5WMl30.html |
| 03:29.04 | troubled | robboplus: yes, which inetd is running your identd is up to you. but you should answer my question before you go further |
| 03:29.22 | robboplus | let me check what was the question |
| 03:29.23 | troubled | robboplus: why do you have 2 inetd's running, and which port is xinetd running on |
| 03:29.40 | robboplus | troubled oh i replied before to that one |
| 03:29.47 | robboplus | troubled let me answer again: |
| 03:30.18 | robboplus | err brb |
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| 03:31.53 | lexa | argrrrrr |
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| 03:32.00 | lexa | ) |
| 03:32.16 | troubled | hmm, technically I suppose there is no reason you cant have multiple inetds |
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| 03:34.38 | jetlaw | shhhh |
| 03:34.43 | jetlaw | iiii |
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| 03:34.51 | troubled | heya jet |
| 03:34.53 | jetscreamer | t |
| 03:35.02 | jetscreamer | heydude |
| 03:35.49 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike rahul |
| 03:35.50 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking rahul to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 03:36.39 | rahul | :\ |
| 03:37.01 | rahul | !rahulstrike jetscreamer |
| 03:37.01 | dpkg | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit jetscreamer but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
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| 03:37.09 | rahul | :P |
| 03:37.36 | jetscreamer | lol |
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| 03:39.38 | troubled | awwww, how cute, rahul has his own smite command |
| 03:39.59 | abrotman | !sing g4lt |
| 03:39.59 | dpkg | sometimes he p4rks in h4ndic4pped sp4ces, while h4ndic4pped people m4ke h4ndic4pped f4ces, g4lt's 4n 4ssshoooole... |
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| 03:40.07 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 03:40.18 | rahul | heh |
| 03:40.40 | abrotman | troubled: i have my own song .. does that count ? |
| 03:40.43 | SamuraiDio | my ~/.thumbnails folder is very big, i can secure remove it right? |
| 03:40.57 | abrotman | yes |
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| 03:41.17 | abrotman | just next time you use nautilus .. it wil be delayed while it recreates the thumbnails |
| 03:41.29 | SamuraiDio | is this folder created when needed or at login? |
| 03:41.29 | troubled | abrotman: depends, is it a song about smiting someone? |
| 03:41.35 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 03:41.35 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 03:42.02 | jmichaelx | bot party.... tsk tsk tsk |
| 03:42.09 | jetscreamer | rotted abs from eating many muffins? |
| 03:42.18 | SamuraiDio | fine :D |
| 03:42.30 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, tnx |
| 03:42.33 | jetscreamer | when needed afaict |
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| 03:48.59 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:48.59 | dpkg | from memory, qotd72 is <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
| 03:49.01 | jetscreamer | shhhhhhh... be vewy vewy qwiet... i'm hunting snipe |
| 03:49.14 | abrotman | hehe .. snipe hunting! |
| 03:49.27 | jetscreamer | ever been? i went once |
| 03:49.36 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:49.40 | abrotman | almost .. then i figured it out |
| 03:49.54 | jetscreamer | took me 10 or so minutes |
| 03:49.56 | jetscreamer | nn |
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| 03:50.59 | obnauticus | IS there an all CLI newsreader that supports SSL? |
| 03:51.45 | rahul | ssl to your news server? |
| 03:52.04 | rahul | why do you need a secure connection to public info |
| 03:52.05 | rahul | ? |
| 03:52.11 | obnauticus | no like.. |
| 03:52.14 | obnauticus | Newsleecher you know |
| 03:52.16 | obnauticus | Usenet |
| 03:52.26 | rahul | huh? |
| 03:52.32 | obnauticus | wiki usenet :) |
| 03:52.39 | rahul | wiki? |
| 03:52.51 | obnauticus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet |
| 03:52.57 | rahul | you use usenet through a wiki? |
| 03:53.00 | jetscreamer | pron |
| 03:53.05 | jetscreamer | warez |
| 03:53.08 | jetscreamer | usenet!!! |
| 03:53.09 | obnauticus | no im telling you to look at the description |
| 03:53.09 | obnauticus | lol. |
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| 03:53.37 | jetscreamer | i got some quality pron off of newsgroups.... ooops did i say that? |
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| 03:53.55 | jetscreamer | lotta spammage though |
| 03:54.00 | obnauticus | ya, there it is |
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| 03:54.08 | obnauticus | if you could combine usenet with torrent's content |
| 03:54.10 | obnauticus | it would be awesome. |
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| 03:54.19 | obnauticus | and better moderation. |
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| 03:54.32 | rahul | better? |
| 03:54.39 | rahul | what needs to be better? |
| 03:54.53 | obnauticus | They need more content, and better content on usene... |
| 03:54.56 | obnauticus | usenet* |
| 03:54.59 | obnauticus | much like torrent's... |
| 03:55.02 | Dwayne_ | i've joined a ad domain, wbinfo -t returns success, but wbinfo -u returns error looking up users |
| 03:55.02 | rahul | uh |
| 03:55.03 | jetscreamer | ratio of assholes to nice ppl |
| 03:55.10 | rahul | obnauticus: then provide better content |
| 03:55.17 | obnauticus | Ya.. |
| 03:55.26 | obnauticus | but just ME doing it doesn't make up for the other 75% spammers there are |
| 03:55.27 | rahul | usenet is the opposite of torrent, really |
| 03:55.51 | rahul | obnauticus: I rarely see spam on usenet |
| 03:55.59 | obnauticus | I see a lot of spam... |
| 03:56.05 | rahul | I see approx 1000x more spam in email than on usenet |
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| 03:59.54 | jetscreamer | !nickometer BUMBACL0T |
| 03:59.55 | dpkg | 'BUMBACL0T' is 99.880% lame, jetscreamer |
| 04:00.01 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 04:01.02 | grendal_prime | im having a bitch of a time with something...i want to make an 3gp video for my phone out of an avi of a movie |
| 04:01.07 | grendal_prime | anyone any good with this? |
| 04:01.24 | nvz | never heard of it |
| 04:01.31 | grendal_prime | i have the 3gpwizard installed but it just chocks |
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| 04:13.53 | unilynx | What's the difference in gstreamer to xine? |
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| 04:14.52 | ArtVandalae | Is there any easy way to create a X MB file, binary, text, it doesn't matter |
| 04:15.03 | ArtVandalae | *binary/text file |
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| 04:23.47 | karsten | How do you play a midi file? |
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| 04:25.17 | Penix | karsten: with a midi player like pmidi |
| 04:25.27 | Penix | or a graphical one |
| 04:25.42 | karsten | Penix: I was trying aplaymidi, it wants to send output to a port. |
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| 04:26.37 | Penix | karsten: afaik you'll need something to send the midi data to |
| 04:26.44 | Penix | karsten: like a software synth or something |
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| 04:26.49 | predder | short of opening up my box is there a way to disable the "PC speaker" (annoying one attached to the motherboard) |
| 04:26.52 | Penix | karsten: that's where the port would come in |
| 04:27.03 | liable | !beep |
| 04:27.03 | dpkg | somebody said beep was /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 04:27.10 | karsten | Penix: Yeah, that's the part I don't quite get. |
| 04:27.11 | liable | bah |
| 04:27.17 | liable | !bell |
| 04:27.18 | dpkg | bell is, like, "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
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| 04:27.54 | Penix | karsten: you can use fluidsynth via the qsynth frontend. you basically need a soundfont/soundbank/whatever that can produce some real audio from your midi file |
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| 04:28.25 | predder | thanks liable |
| 04:28.41 | liable | np |
| 04:28.51 | Penix | karsten: I'd assume a general midi patch for a soundblaster or something would be enough |
| 04:28.57 | karsten | Penix: Anything you can use to send the output to a file in eg: .wav format? |
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| 04:29.36 | dalias | predder, also, if you use GNU screen, you can switch it to visual bell mode |
| 04:29.51 | dalias | which will flash the terminal instead of beeping whenever something generates a beep (^G) |
| 04:30.13 | predder | thanks for the advice, I don't use screen at the moment but that's a nice reason to |
| 04:30.13 | dalias | but the setterm -blength 0 (for console) and xset b off will do best |
| 04:30.26 | Penix | karsten: well, in this case, you'd be using jack, so anything that can hook in to a jack session and record/playback |
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| 04:30.35 | Penix | karsten: rosegarden. seq24I *think* |
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| 04:30.58 | Penix | karsten: ardour if you wanna get complicated. or a jack enabled audacity |
| 04:31.08 | karsten | Penix: Trying this ATM: timidity input.mid -Ow1S -s 44100 -o output.wav |
| 04:31.26 | Penix | hmm. didn't think of timidity |
| 04:31.50 | Penix | I'm used to using random individual soundfonts with ardour recording |
| 04:32.02 | dalias | btw, for screen |
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| 04:32.09 | dalias | ^A^G switches audible/visible bell |
| 04:32.21 | dalias | and you can set the default in your .screenrc |
| 04:32.33 | karsten | Yeah, that worked. |
| 04:32.37 | Penix | cool |
| 04:32.53 | karsten | The live playback (through timidity) was too lossy. Store and playback works. |
| 04:33.06 | karsten | All this for an old Irish traditional melody. |
| 04:33.10 | Penix | heh |
| 04:33.16 | dalias | brb hopefully (if this kernel isnt broken again..) |
| 04:34.28 | Penix | man, FIFA 07 DS is addictive. I'd hate imagine what it'd be like for actual football fans |
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| 04:36.28 | litage_ | when creating the changelog for your own package, what does it mean when part of a changelog entry is highlighted in red in vim? eg: http://www.deadorange.com/temp/changelog.png |
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| 04:40.32 | karsten | litage_: Probably wrong format? What's the vim config file for changelogs say? |
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| 04:41.52 | ArtVandalae | How do I delink an "ln"? |
| 04:42.19 | laidback_01 | rm |
| 04:42.35 | karsten | litage_: filetype=debchangelog |
| 04:42.45 | karsten | litage_: /usr/share/vim/vim71/syntax/debchangelog.vim |
| 04:45.41 | bullgard4 | Is there a ordinary name for the 'sysfs' identifier? |
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| 04:46.24 | litage_ | karsten: turns out there were too many spaces before the '*' |
| 04:46.36 | laidback_01 | hey, I'm looking for a way to have a dedicated music box / jukebox which I can control via a webpage from another computer... I don't want to stream music from the "jukebox", just control it from remote... |
| 04:46.45 | laidback_01 | anyone have an idea? |
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| 04:50.44 | ameyer | mmm, yakuake |
| 04:51.56 | dalias | ok back |
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| 04:54.28 | karsten | litage_: Yeah, suspected something like that, not familiar with the changelog format specifics. Or how to fold/unfold lines in vim |
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| 04:57.46 | litage_ | karsten: i use these settings for playing with folds. makes it very convenient: http://rafb.net/p/7vAcR848.html |
| 04:58.08 | YouBucky | Hey Guys, anyone has any experience with OMSA on Debian? |
| 05:00.01 | litage_ | i'm reading through the Debian Policy, looking for what permissions the control scripts (post{inst,rm}, pre{inst,rm}) should have, but not having much luck. anyone know off the top of their head? |
| 05:01.49 | liable | litage_: check the ones on your system? |
| 05:02.02 | litage_ | liable: some are 0644 and others are 0755 |
| 05:03.01 | liable | litage_: of course it wouldn't be so easy. silly me :) |
| 05:03.13 | nvz | laidback_01: does it have to be a web interface? |
| 05:03.48 | litage|w | liable: meh, i'm gonna use 0755. the +x can't hurt |
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| 05:04.46 | litage|w | hrm, next question! should i use ``dpkg-deb -b'' or ``dpkg-buildpackage'' to build my package? |
| 05:04.56 | nvz | laidback_01: this is probably what you want, though you will have to decide on the client interface |
| 05:05.02 | nvz | !info mpd etch |
| 05:05.09 | dpkg | mpd: (Music Player Daemon), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.12.1-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 392 kB |
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| 05:05.39 | tsocks | !info amarok etch |
| 05:05.40 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.4.4-4 (etch), Packaged size: 17017 kB, Installed size: 32236 kB |
| 05:05.50 | nvz | o.O |
| 05:06.02 | tsocks | !info amarok lenny |
| 05:06.08 | dpkg | amarok: (versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 1.4.6-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 12949 kB, Installed size: 28944 kB |
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| 05:06.27 | nvz | tsocks: you should /msg dpkg when you are playing around |
| 05:06.43 | tsocks | nvz: alright, sorry :( |
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| 05:11.28 | stiv2k | how do i add myself to a certain group |
| 05:11.58 | ricky | man usermod, perhaps? |
| 05:12.11 | stiv2k | usermod right |
| 05:12.11 | stiv2k | thanks |
| 05:12.18 | stiv2k | ricky: does gnome have anything to do that with? |
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| 05:12.36 | ricky | Not really. |
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| 05:12.45 | ricky | Er, never mind. |
| 05:12.49 | ricky | (Misread the question_ |
| 05:12.56 | liable | man adduser |
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| 05:13.23 | ricky | Look under the administration menu for something about users and groups. |
| 05:14.00 | ricky | Or.. gnome-terminal :) |
| 05:14.11 | stiv2k | ricky: its just that man pages are soooo long |
| 05:14.28 | liable | !be a man page barbie |
| 05:14.28 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 05:14.32 | ricky | You can always search for exactly what you want. |
| 05:15.41 | stiv2k | gah |
| 05:15.44 | stiv2k | steve@trillian:~$ sudo adduser --uid 1000 --gid 1008 |
| 05:15.44 | stiv2k | adduser: Only one or two names allowed. |
| 05:15.59 | liable | adduser <user> <group> |
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| 05:16.04 | stiv2k | oh |
| 05:16.15 | stiv2k | w00t |
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| 05:18.00 | xpurple | When I install debian it asks where I would like root's mail to go, where does it set that? |
| 05:18.37 | xpurple | Nevermind, found it. |
| 05:18.38 | xpurple | heh |
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| 05:19.05 | vn | hi, whats the latest version of apache and php in debian's packages? |
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| 05:20.42 | xjkx | i know its a strange question but what should i study to understand the kernel source? i know some basics of C but i don't feel ready to understand and change it |
| 05:21.16 | dewbie | yes. |
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| 05:22.27 | liable | xjkx: see the linux device drivers book for a start. also check out kernelnewbies.org |
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| 05:23.00 | xjkx | thanks |
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| 05:26.53 | dalias | are there any good font preview apps? |
| 05:27.19 | dalias | good = needs to do opentype lookups correctly, and ideally doesn't depend on some huge gnome/kde bloat |
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| 05:29.35 | litage|w | dalias: ``apt-cache search'' is your friend |
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| 05:31.17 | vn | ewwwwwwwwww I just noticed I still have sarge sources in my sources.list and I'm on etch |
| 05:31.20 | vn | dangerous.. |
| 05:31.33 | liable | not really |
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| 05:31.42 | bullgard4 | Is there an ordinary name for the 'sysfs' identifier? |
| 05:32.40 | vn | liable: I thought I could break packages this way? |
| 05:33.15 | vn | and uh how do I know I'm on 4.0r1? |
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| 05:33.25 | vn | phpsysinfo tells me I'm on 4.0 |
| 05:33.26 | liable | vn: apt will install whatever the newest packages are. in this case, from the etch repo. though, yes, you should remove sarge from sources list |
| 05:33.39 | vn | and apache is still 1.3.33 |
| 05:33.56 | dalias | litage|w, well, i was looking for a recommendation from soemone who'd actually used them.. |
| 05:34.54 | litage|w | dalias: you could become that person ;) heheh sorry that's of no help |
| 05:35.09 | dalias | :) |
| 05:35.38 | vn | done |
| 05:35.48 | vn | been a while I didnt get any updates... |
| 05:36.00 | vn | since dist-upgrade installed a kernel patch of 2.5.18 |
| 05:36.09 | vn | s/5/6/ |
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| 05:51.18 | zorg_the_false | q. is it possible to compress a .deb with lzma ? |
| 05:56.35 | cast | interesting, #ubuntu users, at least one anyway but i think 2, have mentioned having unpartitioned space |
| 05:57.08 | cast | i wonder if you could make it a PV without making it a partition, say define the PV as from here-here blocks on the hard disk |
| 05:57.45 | zorg_the_false | PV=? |
| 05:58.09 | rwp | PV=nRT :-) |
| 05:58.17 | cast | physical volume, as in LVM |
| 05:58.34 | zorg_the_false | ok |
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| 06:00.19 | rwp | .deb files are defined as an 'ar' archive of a control.tar.gz files and data.tar.gz file. If you must compress using lzma you could compress the files first and then place them in the data.tar.gz. This is already commonly done with upstream tar.bz2 files. |
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| 06:00.41 | jedir0x | good cron based update notifier for debian servers? |
| 06:00.55 | jedir0x | package name of a good cron based update notifier for debian servers? |
| 06:01.42 | zorg_the_false | rwp: ok, so .tar.lzma is not supported by default |
| 06:01.46 | SpeedyG | Hi, in the sarge->etch docs there's been spoken of changing devfs to udev, (4.7.1, converting from devfs) but I can't really find 'how' to change from devfs to udev? |
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| 06:02.39 | SpeedyG | anyone here care to explain to me what to do? :) |
| 06:03.05 | liable | install a new kernel and udev |
| 06:03.20 | liable | just follow the release notes and it should all work |
| 06:03.25 | jedir0x | anyone know of a cron based update notifier for debian? |
| 06:03.50 | SpeedyG | liable: well, thats the point, i've got a kernel that does support udev, i'm just not certain if it's gonna go the way I want it .. |
| 06:04.00 | jedir0x | apticron - cron-script to mail impending apt updates |
| 06:04.02 | jedir0x | :) |
| 06:04.29 | xingu | jedir0x: with the actual downloads as attachments? :) |
| 06:04.36 | jedir0x | no |
| 06:04.46 | jedir0x | i just want it to email me and tell me that shit needs to be upgraded |
| 06:04.52 | jedir0x | and what shit needs to be upgraded |
| 06:07.42 | rwp | zorg_the_false: Not by default. But bzip2 is not by default either but people have created debian/rules modifications that support it. Look at dbs or cbs for examples. So it should be possible to create lzma too. But why? |
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| 06:08.37 | zorg_the_false | rwp: it creates much smaller .deb (around 30-40% smaller than .tgz) which means less bandwidth cost for the server and faster installation for the user |
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| 06:14.56 | xerophyte_ | I am using debian etch did install the package and created the image with xen-tools when try to start it .. i get this error Error: Device 2049 (vbd) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working. does anybody know how can i fix this i did google and did all the suggestion still getting that error |
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| 06:16.06 | SpeedyG | liable: Any configuration files that reference devfs-style names will need to be adjusted to use udev-style names. <= is that done automatically, or do I have to do something? because it's not stated 'what' to do? |
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| 06:16.52 | cast | lzma also wins on decompression speed [105MB /dev/frandom output] lzcat = 11.6 seconds, bzcat = 19 seconds |
| 06:17.17 | AAA^ | someone on #freenode told me you have an anti-flooding bot here |
| 06:17.37 | zorg_the_false | cast: seems like a winwin :) |
| 06:18.07 | cast | well, i think the problem is bz2 become dominant first |
| 06:18.26 | cast | like vorbis would be bigger if mp3 wasn't already entrenched |
| 06:18.59 | zorg_the_false | cast: yep gz first, then bz, but supporting a third one seems very simple. lzma is all opensource and is already pacakged |
| 06:19.13 | cast | AAA^: thats probably debhelper |
| 06:19.19 | AAA^ | ah |
| 06:19.33 | AAA^ | is it good at stopping crapfloods? |
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| 06:19.48 | cast | it sure does stop epic pastes to the channel |
| 06:19.59 | AAA^ | what about bot floods? |
| 06:20.15 | cast | dunno, haven't witnessed one. try #debian-bots |
| 06:20.21 | AAA^ | ok |
| 06:20.54 | AAA^ | ou channel keeps getting flooded daily by some stupid troll |
| 06:21.00 | AAA^ | we need bots to help prevent it |
| 06:21.05 | AAA^ | s/ou/our |
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| 06:22.17 | cast | sounds easy enough. |
| 06:22.26 | cast | there a reason you can't just /ban the troll? |
| 06:22.39 | AAA^ | he uses multible bots on open proxies |
| 06:22.44 | AAA^ | diferent addresses |
| 06:22.47 | AAA^ | it's useless |
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| 06:24.20 | cast | ahh. pick a bot then, there are a wad available - kb due to flooding is a pretty standard thing to do |
| 06:24.37 | rwp | jedir0x: Look at cron-apt for an automated apt installation tool. |
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| 06:25.29 | AAA^ | cast: we need a bot or 2 that can help prevent join/leave floods and regular crapfloods from multiple bots |
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| 06:26.23 | Bogus8 | is there really that much of that happening? |
| 06:26.34 | AAA^ | every day |
| 06:26.43 | AAA^ | by a stupid troll from Encyclopedia Dramatica |
| 06:26.45 | Bogus8 | I never really noticed it... maybe I'm just lucky and I'm never here at those times but I idle here a good bit sometimes |
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| 06:27.05 | AAA^ | the channel's #uncyclopedia |
| 06:27.06 | cast | Bogus8: doesn't happen much on freenode :) |
| 06:27.24 | AAA^ | at least once every day it gets flooded |
| 06:27.30 | Bogus8 | Yeah, freenode is MUCH cleaner than efnet |
| 06:27.44 | Bogus8 | that's one of the only "popular" networks I get on regularly |
| 06:28.56 | cast | AAA^: aside from bots, you could have a script for an irc client, i see that a lot on other networks |
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| 06:29.58 | cast | not so much freenode since having people oped is discouraged :) |
| 06:30.20 | AAA^ | yeah, but we want a way to stop the channel flood for everyone |
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| 06:30.44 | cast | well, the script would kb the bots...so it is for everyone |
| 06:30.56 | AAA^ | kb? |
| 06:31.07 | cast | kickban |
| 06:31.24 | AAA^ | yeah, but that'll just waste space for our ban list |
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| 06:31.36 | AAA^ | since the proxies the bots use change all the time |
| 06:31.45 | AAA^ | and occasionally, freenode staff k-line them |
| 06:31.48 | mainer | been a fair amount of adbots lately,not like other networks tho |
| 06:32.03 | AAA^ | what does debhelper do? |
| 06:32.17 | cast | debhelper just kicks people that i've seen |
| 06:32.17 | AAA^ | is he good at stopping join/leave floods and regular crapfloods? |
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| 06:33.33 | cast | and re waste space on banlist: its a ban list, its supposed to be used for such...but bots/scripts can often have an option to remove bans after some time to prevent that from happening |
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| 06:33.56 | AAA^ | it's ok |
| 06:34.12 | Raging_H1g | Can I change apps from X without window manager? |
| 06:34.12 | AAA^ | i have a friend who's currently writing a script to stop it from happening |
| 06:34.20 | AAA^ | thanks anyway |
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| 06:35.08 | litage|w | is /etc/modutils/ still being used in Etch? |
| 06:35.36 | cast | i have a /etc/modutils and it has stuff in it and i'm on etch, if that helps you |
| 06:36.29 | litage|w | cast: did you upgrade to Etch? |
| 06:38.50 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 06:40.10 | streuner_ | Raging_Hog: change? |
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| 06:40.37 | streuner_ | gone |
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| 06:41.34 | kornerr | hi |
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| 06:41.41 | SpeedyG | liable: I followed the instructions, and now my system can't boot... and somehow udev isnt being mounted at boot, any advice on this ? |
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| 06:42.22 | kornerr | does anyone know how i can create my own repository with dpkg-scanpackages so that is searches for *deb's recursively? |
| 06:42.55 | streuner_ | !own repo |
| 06:42.55 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
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| 06:43.09 | kornerr | heh |
| 06:43.11 | kornerr | i know that |
| 06:43.22 | kornerr | that's not for a tree |
| 06:43.25 | streuner_ | SpeedyG: simple ; just use an official kernel |
| 06:43.36 | streuner_ | SpeedyG: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:43.37 | streuner_ | btw |
| 06:44.17 | rwp | SpeedyG: More than likely your initrd is not including all of the needed modules. My best advice would be to boot a KNOPPIX disk, chroot into your system, reinstall the kernel so that the initrd is rebuilt. |
| 06:44.42 | rwp | SpeedyG: Do you have a livecd boot available? |
| 06:45.03 | streuner_ | use grml, it has a 50 MB minimal live-CD |
| 06:45.06 | streuner_ | !grml |
| 06:45.06 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
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| 06:45.34 | rwp | korneer: Look at apt-move. |
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| 06:46.14 | SpeedyG | rwp: I have |
| 06:47.02 | streuner_ | so just follow the advice of rwp, onces you chrooted you could install everything via apt-get install <kernel> |
| 06:47.34 | SpeedyG | streuner_: does it matter what kernel version the live cd is running ? (got an old knoppix here.. lost my latest) |
| 06:47.37 | rwp | SpeedyG: Example chroot command: # chroot /mnt/hda5 /bin/bash |
| 06:48.19 | rwp | SpeedyG: Then you are sitting in your system. Reinstall the stock kernel. That will rebuild the /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) file. |
| 06:49.00 | streuner_ | SpeedyG: wouldnt too hard to download 50 MB, eh? ;-) |
| 06:49.10 | rwp | SpeedyG: This should not be sensitive to KNOPPIX kernel version as long as it boots. |
| 06:49.54 | rwp | Of course the grml iso should be good too. |
| 06:50.03 | SpeedyG | streuner_: true that, but I dont have any disks at hand ;) |
| 06:50.16 | streuner_ | no CDRW handy? |
| 06:50.32 | streuner_ | hm |
| 06:51.14 | streuner_ | ok, the kernel should boot (working), everything else should be ok in chroot... |
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| 06:51.49 | dad | ok, big question on upgrading satble -> testing... |
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| 06:52.00 | dad | that being if i'm supposed to update package tools first, how do i get them installed and usable, while ignoring dependencies? |
| 06:52.09 | Codenut | hey |
| 06:52.30 | dad | Codenut: hey! |
| 06:53.00 | streuner_ | dad: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:53.18 | dad | thanks :) |
| 06:53.55 | SpeedyG | streuner_: found a workaround :) booting from usb :D |
| 06:54.09 | SpeedyG | had puppylinux on usb laying around :) |
| 06:54.15 | rwp | SpeedyG: Yeah |
| 06:54.34 | SpeedyG | fairly more easy, because my cd-rom drive is also kinda broke ;) |
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| 06:56.00 | mainer | faster too |
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| 06:56.32 | sammy | bonjour |
| 06:57.24 | sammy | un tit help suouplait, j'aimerai configurer mes dns sous une etch |
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| 06:58.10 | sammy | english channel O_o |
| 06:58.20 | mainer | yes,sorry |
| 06:58.25 | sammy | hehe , |
| 06:58.33 | SpeedyG | !fr |
| 06:58.33 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 06:58.37 | SpeedyG | :) |
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| 06:58.50 | sammy | thx :)) |
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| 07:00.20 | SpeedyG | rwp: 'cannot change root directory to /dev/hda5: No such file or directory' (i've checked if thats the correct partition, it is) |
| 07:00.52 | rwp | SpeedyG: Using /mnt/hda5 was just an example. You need to mount your root partition someplace. |
| 07:01.19 | SpeedyG | oh wait, I have to mount it first.. and then chroot .. |
| 07:01.25 | rwp | SpeedyG: cat /proc/partitions to see what partitions are recognized. |
| 07:01.26 | mainer | yup |
| 07:01.40 | SpeedyG | maybe I should make some coffee first, and then continue ;) |
| 07:02.02 | SpeedyG | rwp: hda5 is the right partition |
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| 07:02.10 | rwp | What is your timezone? Early morning? It is late night here. |
| 07:02.19 | SpeedyG | GMT+1 :) |
| 07:02.25 | SpeedyG | 9AM |
| 07:02.35 | rwp | GMT-6 |
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| 07:03.25 | SpeedyG | hm, how can I find out what shell i'm using ? |
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| 07:03.41 | streuner_ | if you have to ask most likely bash :-) |
| 07:03.49 | cast | type in asdkjfsdklfjsdf and watch it say bash: |
| 07:03.53 | cast | :D |
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| 07:04.05 | SpeedyG | hm, -sh :) |
| 07:04.12 | cast | run w and look, too |
| 07:04.31 | cast | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-07-17 05:11 /bin/sh -> bash |
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| 07:04.46 | SpeedyG | grmbl, 'cannot execute /bin/bash: no such file or dir (same goes for sh) |
| 07:05.10 | cast | grml uses zsh |
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| 07:06.10 | rwp | echo $0 ; echo $SHELL |
| 07:06.32 | predder | SpeedyG, grep <username> /etc/passwd will tell you what your default shell is |
| 07:06.44 | rwp | SpeedyG: ls /mnt/hda5 ; Anything there? Did it actually get mounted? |
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| 07:07.14 | rwp | Fancy way: getent passwd $(whoami) |
| 07:07.32 | rwp | That will report even if the info is in NIS/YP or LDAP. :-) |
| 07:08.33 | SpeedyG | rwp: it did get mounted |
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| 07:10.23 | SpeedyG | however, /mnt/hda5/etc seems to be empty |
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| 07:11.27 | rwp | That's not good. Browse around. Something does not sound right. |
| 07:11.54 | cast | /etc might have been on another partition |
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| 07:13.01 | SpeedyG | cast: I was just thinking that.. |
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| 07:14.17 | multi_io | my ifconfig doesn't display IPv6 addresses anymore: http://sial.org/pbot/27348 |
| 07:14.28 | cast | i'd run blkid and see what else you can mount :> |
| 07:14.32 | multi_io | why? |
| 07:15.18 | mainer | he meant SpeedyG |
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| 07:17.30 | erik2066 | in ETCH: why is httpd.conf empty ? |
| 07:17.38 | SpeedyG | cast: thats a nice one :> |
| 07:17.58 | SpeedyG | hda1 is / , hda5 is /usr :) that kinda explains why /usr is filled, and /etc isnt :> |
| 07:18.16 | SpeedyG | and now the chroot does work :) |
| 07:18.19 | cast | erik2066: because they don't use it in the default install anymore |
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| 07:18.55 | erik2066 | cast: should I do a new install then ?? |
| 07:18.57 | cast | apache.conf will have Include httpd.conf in it, though, so you can write directives in it |
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| 07:19.35 | erik2066 | cast: I see an apache2.conf.... is that new in 2.x ? |
| 07:20.00 | cast | erik2066: dunno. can't remember back to apache 1.4, or linux 2.4 for that matter :) |
| 07:20.26 | cast | erik2066: read apache2.conf, you'll see itll load httpd.conf and the conf.d dir too |
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| 07:20.43 | SpeedyG | rwp: if I now perform a dpkg -i kernel-image-2.6.22.3(etcetera) and let it being reinstalled, it should be ok ? or do I have to apt-get a complete new image ? |
| 07:21.05 | erik2066 | cast: yeah, I saw it... |
| 07:21.13 | wols | shouldn't gnome use decent fonts by default after installing msttcorefonts and enabling subpixel rndering on a LCD? |
| 07:21.22 | wols | the fonts here are goddamn awful :( |
| 07:21.47 | tarzeau | wols: yuck! |
| 07:21.53 | Penix | wols: tried different hinting settings? |
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| 07:22.15 | Penix | can't stand full hinting myself |
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| 07:22.45 | wols | Penix: all I did was changing fonts and enabling subpixel redenring (LCD) |
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| 07:22.56 | rwp | SpeedyG: either dpkg -i or apt-get install --reinstall should be fine. |
| 07:23.02 | wols | and my fonts are still hideous. gnome terminal an iceweasel both |
| 07:23.31 | wols | qand I doubt it's the hinting only. the fonts didn't really change when I switched btw |
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| 07:24.44 | gfather | hello guys |
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| 07:25.17 | gfather | i want to download debian with graphic interface |
| 07:25.39 | ma3x | why the following command says this: sh: gs: command not found. what I typed is: ynx -source http://whatismyip.com | grep '<TITLE>'|cut -f3 -d\ |cut -f1 -d\< > ip.txt |
| 07:25.42 | rwp | SpeedyG: Make sure you have initramfs-tools installed. See http://wiki.debian.org/InitrdReplacementOptions |
| 07:25.50 | cydork | gfather: you mean installer? |
| 07:26.35 | gfather | i mean , i want to download debian with graphic interface , like fedora |
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| 07:27.43 | cydork | gfather: well debian has kde, gnome, xfce etc. use whatever you want. |
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| 07:29.10 | ma3x | can anyone reply to my question? |
| 07:29.37 | tarzeau | ma3x: maybe one of the commands calls gs? |
| 07:29.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: and you don't have it, ghostscript? |
| 07:29.52 | cydork | ma3x: you mean lynx? |
| 07:29.55 | gfather | like the GNOME |
| 07:30.18 | gfather | The GNOME desktop environment |
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| 07:31.53 | cydork | ma3x: and you want ip? lynx -dump http://whatismyip.com|sed -n 's/\(.*\)Your IP Is \(.*\)/\2/p' |
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| 07:33.32 | ma3x | sh: gs: command not found |
| 07:33.40 | ma3x | to what package does the gs command belong/ |
| 07:33.57 | gfather | cydork : where i can find it |
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| 07:34.01 | cast | ma3x: use apt-file |
| 07:34.06 | ma3x | apt-file search bin/gs outputs too many results |
| 07:34.21 | cydork | gfather: use tasksel, and select desktop env. |
| 07:34.21 | gfather | like a ready build with it |
| 07:34.31 | ma3x | to gs probably |
| 07:34.36 | gfather | tasksel ? |
| 07:34.41 | cydork | gfather: it is availabe with it.. |
| 07:34.49 | cydork | gfather: read installation guide |
| 07:35.06 | cydork | !tell gfather -about ig |
| 07:36.09 | gfather | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.14 | gfather | its not working |
| 07:36.47 | gfather | in the main site , thier is allot of builds , and im lettel confuced |
| 07:37.10 | ma3x | cydork, when I put your command into script.sh then I try to execute it, it says bash: ./whatsmyip.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 07:37.21 | ma3x | -rwx------ |
| 07:38.07 | cydork | ma3x: what is the first line? |
| 07:38.17 | cast | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2007-07-20 12:30 /usr/bin/gs -> /etc/alternatives/gs lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2007-07-20 12:30 /etc/alternatives/gs -> /usr/bin/gs-esp |
| 07:38.47 | ma3x | #!/bin/bash |
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| 07:39.07 | gfather | im very confuced :( |
| 07:39.58 | cydork | gfather: read here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 07:40.30 | ma3x | cydork, ^^ |
| 07:41.06 | cydork | ma3x: type ls -l /bin/bash |
| 07:41.18 | ma3x | cydork, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 2006-12-11 22:20 /bin/bash |
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| 07:41.42 | SpeedyG | rwp: When running dpkg -i, it asked me to either remove the /lib/modules/$uname-a dir, or to ignore it.. what option should it be ? |
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| 07:42.54 | rwp | SpeedyG: I don't remember that exact wording. It will warn you that you are installing over an existing installation. In this case it should be safe to ignore it. You are installing over an existing installation. |
| 07:42.56 | cast | check what pkg owns the files, should be a kpkg, remove that then install your new kernel perhaps |
| 07:43.40 | rwp | SpeedyG: I take it that you found your /etc then? |
| 07:43.42 | cydork | ma3x: try sh script.sh |
| 07:43.43 | SpeedyG | rwp: reason you don't remember the exact wording is becauese it's my interpretation of the words ;) but somehow its still fucked :( |
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| 07:44.59 | nasas | hi people |
| 07:45.03 | nasas | i have this problem |
| 07:45.03 | nasas | http://rafb.net/p/tcQenp83.html |
| 07:45.23 | rwp | SpeedyG: Okay. You have installed udev. You have made sure that initramfs-tools is installed. You rebooted. Your system complained that init tried to kill itself. Is that all about right? |
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| 07:45.37 | ma3x | cydork, works that way. why won't it work from bash |
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| 07:45.55 | blackba55 | how can i connect to google talk ? |
| 07:45.57 | SpeedyG | rwp: right |
| 07:46.12 | rwp | SpeedyG: To recover you have booted a USB live image and mounted your system. You have now chrooted into that system. You have reinstalled the linux kernel. |
| 07:46.16 | cast | rwp: blackba55 with gajim or psi |
| 07:46.21 | cast | eh, blackba55 i mean |
| 07:46.29 | cydork | ma3x: you might have noexec option in fstab for that partition. |
| 07:46.33 | nasas | anyone know fix my big problem? |
| 07:46.40 | rwp | blackba55 ?? |
| 07:46.43 | SpeedyG | rwp: I have, and after that, i've cleanly unmounted everything, and rebooted back into the harddisk again |
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| 07:47.10 | rwp | SpeedyG: and this boot is failing with init trying to kill itself too? |
| 07:47.26 | ma3x | cydork, right! thanks! |
| 07:47.27 | SpeedyG | this boot is failing with modules.dep not being able to load |
| 07:47.52 | blackba55 | cast: i can't find gtalk in gaim |
| 07:48.01 | gfather | im still so confusid , their is small cd. big cd , small dvd , full dvd , 3 dvds |
| 07:48.28 | gfather | i just need normal one one with interface |
| 07:48.33 | cast | blackba55: gtalk is jabber/xmpp. |
| 07:48.45 | cydork | gfather: do you have decent internet connnetion? |
| 07:49.03 | cast | blackba55: its a bit nonstandard in that username@gmail.com should use talk.google.com as their server |
| 07:49.18 | cast | [instead of gmail.com that their UID implies] |
| 07:49.23 | rwp | SpeedyG: Next I would examine the /boot/grub/menu.lst file and make sure that the kopt and groot options are correct. Probably the root=/path is wrong. After fixing run 'update-grub' to push that through. |
| 07:49.49 | rwp | If the old path was a devfs path and now needs to be a udev path that could be the problem. Hopefully. |
| 07:49.57 | gfather | its good 2mb connection |
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| 07:50.21 | cydork | gfather: then get the netinstall cd. |
| 07:50.22 | gfather | a cd image with interface will be great for me |
| 07:50.25 | cast | why would you run update-grub after fixing /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 07:50.32 | gfather | net install |
| 07:50.38 | SpeedyG | rwp: I allready know what was the issue in this last matter, I copied the /lib/modules/kernelversion dir to an .old dir, but instead of copying, I moved it.. |
| 07:51.03 | SpeedyG | system is now (after copying the dir back) booted (with some errors but nothing that seems really terrible) |
| 07:51.26 | rwp | SpeedyG: Yeah. So does that mean that you are over the hump? |
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| 07:51.45 | SpeedyG | rwp: yes, over the biggest issue (unbootable system) |
| 07:51.50 | rwp | Great. |
| 07:52.00 | SpeedyG | thanks :> |
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| 07:52.48 | SpeedyG | hm, only thing is, my homedir seems empty, but mounted |
| 07:53.01 | gfather | <cydork> http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ see how many cd's is in thier :( |
| 07:53.10 | gfather | if i download cd1 , will it work ? |
| 07:53.20 | gfather | or need other cd's too |
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| 07:54.08 | cydork | gfather: just get this http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:55.25 | gfather | :) thanks m8 |
| 07:55.45 | gfather | this should install what i choos , right :) |
| 07:55.57 | cydork | gfather: yes. |
| 07:56.01 | SpeedyG | crap, /dev/hda9 became formatted :/ |
| 07:56.33 | gfather | ok , well from what i heard |
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| 07:56.43 | gfather | debian is more stabel from fedora |
| 07:56.57 | SpeedyG | rwp: do you have any data-recovery ideas for me? (just some hints, i'll google a bit) |
| 07:56.58 | rwp | cast: The kopt= and groot= lines are in comments. The update-grub script reads those and rewrite all of the stanzas below for all of the other kernel lines in the "AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" section. |
| 07:57.00 | gfather | untill know fedora , did nightmares for me |
| 07:57.35 | cast | rwp: ahh, roger. |
| 07:58.10 | rwp | SpeedyG: Ugh. If it was formatted then I think it is too far. If it is simply not mounted that is best case. Middle case is that something else is mounted over it. Sounds grim though. |
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| 07:58.40 | gfather | out of topic , how can i connect to another server on mirc in the same time :) |
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| 07:59.43 | SpeedyG | gfather: server -m $address |
| 07:59.48 | SpeedyG | with a leading / :) |
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| 08:00.11 | gfather | ok :) thanks allot |
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| 08:02.45 | xored | iam running debiag etch stable and want to get rsnapshot from experimental. Adding the package to preferences and inlcuding the keyword "experimental" did not work, he cant find experimental on the mirror. Are only sepcifi mirros for exp ? |
| 08:03.05 | cast | thats a really bad idea |
| 08:03.16 | spheard | If I have an rsync server set up, what would be the command to back up directory/ to it? |
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| 08:04.03 | xored | cast: why ? |
| 08:04.08 | cast | spheard: rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST i suppose? |
| 08:04.33 | xored | cast only getting one package from testing which is that like uncritical is not that bad i guess. Its not a server or daemon. |
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| 08:05.16 | cast | hmm, you might be alright with rsnapshot, its depends in etch only say Depends: perl, rsync, logrotate |
| 08:05.26 | cydork | xored: backport it yourself. or check if it's available on bpo |
| 08:06.07 | xored | cast: so you mean i can get problems with th deps ? |
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| 08:06.49 | xored | cast: it only dep. on the etch packages...so no need to worry |
| 08:07.04 | xored | cydork: why i should. Its stable on the page of rsnapshot |
| 08:07.08 | cast | xored: *maybe*, could download the .deb and try |
| 08:07.26 | xored | cast: preferences, sources.list thats all |
| 08:08.09 | xored | its not clever downloading debs manually for packages which are in the bpo..as you will loose them with the next upgrade |
| 08:08.45 | xored | i installed it, thank you guys |
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| 08:09.24 | spheard | Im trying to rsync but Im getting error.. ERROR: module is read only |
| 08:09.24 | spheard | rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(802) [receiver=2.6.9] |
| 08:09.47 | cast | why would you lose them? |
| 08:10.10 | spheard | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.25 | schallstrom_ | hi, i'm trying to setup apache2 + mod_chroot on debian etch and am facing some problems. first prob is that 'apache2ctl restart' does not work anymore even though i linked /var/run/apache2.pid to /chroot/apache2/run/apache2.pid as described here: http://core.segfault.pl/~hobbit/mod_chroot/apache20.html |
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| 08:10.55 | schallstrom_ | apache2ctl stop and then apache2ctl start works |
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| 08:14.46 | schallstrom | anyone here who could help me? |
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| 08:16.04 | cast | i wonder if vserver would be easier, it'd probably be more secure |
| 08:16.40 | schallstrom | cast: what's vserver? do you mean vhosts? |
| 08:16.57 | cast | no, vserver. think of vserver like freebsd jails or solaris containers |
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| 08:17.30 | schallstrom | cast: okay, never heard of it |
| 08:18.12 | cast | ahh, well, the issue with chroots is they aren't hard to break out of, AFAIK one can't break out of a vserver with the same ease |
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| 08:18.46 | schallstrom | cast: for vserver i would have to install another kernel, right? |
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| 08:18.53 | cast | nope. |
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| 08:19.14 | cast | oh, well...yes. you'd have to install a -vserver kernel |
| 08:19.23 | cast | but you wouldn't be running two kernels at once like in xen or uml |
| 08:20.02 | schallstrom | k, but that's no option. i'm working already on a virtual server where i have no control over the kernel |
| 08:20.12 | robboplus | btw how is networking perf. in vserver? |
| 08:20.56 | cast | robboplus: it doesn't virtualize the network, fwiw |
| 08:21.09 | dvs01 | w00t |
| 08:21.10 | dvs01 | http://www.dvs01.net/pics/workstation.jpg |
| 08:21.20 | kexman_ | dvs01, OMFG |
| 08:21.40 | dvs01 | using synergy to control all 4 viewports with 1 keyboard/mouse |
| 08:21.40 | deepspace | I dig the soup |
| 08:21.45 | dvs01 | hehe the soup is good =D |
| 08:22.02 | cast | 'Networking is based on isolation rather than virtualization, so there is no additional overhead for packets.' says wikipedia, so i imagine it can't be too bad :) |
| 08:22.10 | deepspace | I love pics like that |
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| 08:22.43 | cast | why? isn't he running windows :| |
| 08:22.55 | dvs01 | windows on 2 of the machines |
| 08:22.58 | dvs01 | linux on the other 4 |
| 08:24.23 | cast | ahh. cool :) |
| 08:24.40 | cast | i only have my own pc and mums on my desk :\ |
| 08:25.08 | deepspace | I can heat half my house with the exhaust from my systems, which is kind of bad considering the hot climate I live in |
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| 08:25.43 | cast | mmm, could save a bit of the power bill with xen and a quad core eh :P |
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| 08:28.07 | deepspace | possibly. I do a lot of virtualization as it is, even with these systems |
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| 08:28.17 | deepspace | with kvm/qemu mostly |
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| 08:28.51 | xored | when i use rsnapshot and want to tar all the files iam backup, would i change cmd_cp ? |
| 08:28.54 | dvs01 | im gonna experiment with a virtualized beowulf cluster once i get a chance |
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| 08:29.02 | dvs01 | might even be able to do it at work |
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| 08:30.01 | abeck | can I use one tty to output to a second video card to display irssi on a seperate display? I essence, I want another shell on another computer monitor. |
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| 08:30.31 | abeck | same machine no synergy. |
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| 08:31.15 | dvs01 | abeck.. dual screen you mean? |
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| 08:31.33 | dvs01 | i know X can do that.. dunno about the cli |
| 08:31.34 | abeck | yes, two clui's |
| 08:32.08 | abeck | Do I get x386 or just X? |
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| 08:33.23 | abeck | log |
| 08:33.23 | tarzeau | umf, on sid, sparc-utils and util-linux wants to write /usr/bin/sparc32. a missing conflicts? |
| 08:33.38 | abeck | man log |
| 08:33.58 | daos | I have a new Dell 1900 server with a RAID5 PERC5/i, etch installs ok but the system won't boot |
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| 08:34.31 | abeck | I think I am sputering my attempts learn, excuse me. |
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| 08:34.36 | daos | lilo starts to boot the OS and then it fails saying it can't fine /etc/fstab ect....... |
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| 08:35.03 | daos | does anyone know what the issue could be? or come accross this before? |
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| 08:35.29 | daos | the hardware RAID is setup with all 6 drives as a 2.5TB drive |
| 08:37.22 | mbroeker | daos, you can append some kernel parameters like hda=ide-scsi or root=/dev/mapper or root=/dev/md0 or similar |
| 08:37.58 | daos | (mbroeker): on the initial install command? |
| 08:38.04 | mbroeker | daos, if that wont work, pick up a rescue disc and boot |
| 08:38.09 | mbroeker | daos, yes |
| 08:38.37 | mbroeker | something like "lilo: vmlinuz append root=/dev/mapper" |
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| 08:39.18 | daos | but etch should work with hardware RAID right? |
| 08:39.26 | daos | or all disto's I assume? |
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| 08:40.15 | mbroeker | daos, boot from a rescue disc, look for the device settings and drivers and try to append that to your kernel command line |
| 08:41.05 | daos | (mbroeker): thanks for the suggestions :) |
| 08:41.30 | mbroeker | daos, best chances if /etc/fstab contains lines like /dev/hda5 ... |
| 08:42.00 | abeck | I have tried to upgrade to etch from debian sarge and it did not work. perhaps i should make sure my ssh link to my garage is working stablely, sometimes it barfs out. |
| 08:42.48 | abeck | why is it that my typing delays? am I type out on the net and waiting for returned type as i type? |
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| 08:44.17 | abeck | ooops the upgrade is at the top of my screen. |
| 08:44.25 | Devastator | anyone knows about %E0, %20, %D0 codes? is there some converter? |
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| 08:44.58 | mbroeker | Devastator, for what? asm opcodes or html escapes? |
| 08:45.14 | Devastator | mbroeker html escapes |
| 08:45.26 | Devastator | do you have some literature about it? |
| 08:45.26 | mbroeker | %20 is a space |
| 08:45.27 | badgers | mbroeker: okay |
| 08:45.41 | Devastator | mbroeker and about the others? |
| 08:45.42 | abeck | 3 |
| 08:46.10 | mbroeker | Devastator, you need an ascii table afaik |
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| 08:49.58 | mbroeker | Devastator, for i in {0..128}; do printf "0x%x = %d\n" $i $i; done; |
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| 08:50.34 | Devastator | mbroeker yep, but i don't have c compiler here |
| 08:50.44 | Devastator | mbroeker how can i search for it on the net? |
| 08:50.46 | mbroeker | Devastator, thats a bash script |
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| 08:51.01 | thanda | Can anybody help me in setting up home linux router? |
| 08:51.11 | mbroeker | it works on the command line in bash, Devastator |
| 08:51.22 | Devastator | mbroeker i'm on windows right now, didn't installed linux yet |
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| 08:51.37 | mbroeker | !goole ascii |
| 08:51.43 | dvs01 | can i send nagios commands through the shell, without using the web interface? for example, to put a service check into downtime |
| 08:52.20 | thanda | I have two machines, one 32-bit and another 64-bit. The 32-bit a debian box, connected to the internet through wireless lan. |
| 08:52.23 | mbroeker | Devastator, http://www.torsten-horn.de/techdocs/ascii.htm |
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| 08:52.50 | thanda | Now I would like to have internet on 64-bit machine...How can I setup the connection. |
| 08:54.11 | cast | thanda: install ipmasq in the 32bit box, then on the 64bit box set the 32bit box as the gateway |
| 08:54.41 | Devastator | mbroeker thks dude!! |
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| 08:56.07 | thanda | cast: Do I need to write any iptables to send and receive my traffic. |
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| 08:56.30 | xored | anybody famliar with rsnapshot and the exclude files and can tell men, how i activate only specific excludes for specific backups? |
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| 08:56.48 | cast | nope. ipmasq pkg will handle your iptables, it might die in an interesting way if you're already using a firewall of some sort on the 32bit box |
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| 08:57.43 | thanda | cast: okay, I don't use any firefall and at the moment it is just a skeleton installation of debain in it. |
| 08:58.01 | cast | then aptitude install ipmasq and hopefully itll work :) |
| 08:58.38 | thanda | cast: Thankyou. |
| 08:58.51 | daos | why would a system be loading INITRAMFS? that is what happens after my system trys to load the OS |
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| 09:00.25 | kornerr | i have problems with /etc/apt/sources.list, i made my Packages.gz in /media/UbuntuRep with the cmd 'dpkgs-scanpackages . /dev/null /media/UbuntuRep | gzip -9c Packages.gz', placed the file Packages.gz to /media/UbuntuRep and try to 'apt-get install mplayer', and it fails telling me that 'can't find file:/media/UbuntuRep//media/UbuntuRep/d1/pool/blah', then i've edited Packages.gz and removed all '/media/UbuntuRep/' inclusions, but it still shows the same e |
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| 09:06.00 | slapfaceware | how do i check if anything is using my pgsql server |
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| 09:06.15 | themill | netstat -atp |
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| 09:06.22 | themill | or check the logs |
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| 09:07.26 | slapfaceware | good idea newbie |
| 09:07.34 | slapfaceware | just kidding |
| 09:07.38 | slapfaceware | you expert |
| 09:07.45 | slapfaceware | :) |
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| 09:11.37 | kornerr | Ð. |
| 09:11.46 | kornerr | :/ |
| 09:11.48 | kornerr | hell |
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| 09:13.22 | BR_ | Is there a specific debian-xen channel? |
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| 09:15.28 | Ronin | !xen |
| 09:15.29 | dpkg | xen is probably an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:16.17 | BR_ | perfect. thanks |
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| 09:19.37 | duri | "waiting for root file system" stuck during boot process. any suggestions ? debian etch |
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| 09:21.43 | fireba11 | duri : fresh installation ? or some crashed system ? |
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| 09:22.33 | duri | fireba11: crashed system. trying to mount sdi1 where sdi1 is a slice of hw raid-0 volume |
| 09:23.01 | duri | googling returned some hits abput upgrading udev |
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| 09:24.27 | fireba11 | duri: did you upgrade anything on that box without rebooting afterwards some time ago ? :-) |
| 09:25.18 | duri | I did upgrade but am pretty sure I rebooted |
| 09:25.38 | duri | would a netinst cd get me out of this rut ? |
| 09:26.05 | duri | I can boot from netinst through a remote management card |
| 09:27.14 | mbroeker | duri, http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch07s01.html.en |
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| 09:28.27 | Ast001 | when I try to do make menuconfig from /usr/src/linux-source dir I get following errer : http://pastebin.com/d76ca7453 |
| 09:28.30 | Ast001 | can you help me ? |
| 09:29.26 | mbroeker | Ast001, you must install ncurses5 dev |
| 09:29.42 | duri | mbroeker: thanks |
| 09:29.47 | Ast001 | thanks |
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| 09:30.28 | mbroeker | Ast001, apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 09:31.04 | Ast001 | thank you |
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| 09:33.34 | nasas | hi people |
| 09:33.38 | nasas | anyone know fix my problem? |
| 09:33.41 | nasas | http://rafb.net/p/tcQenp83.html |
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| 09:38.46 | nasas | hi? |
| 09:38.56 | wols | (re)install debconf |
| 09:39.07 | wols | dpkg -l debconf |
| 09:39.07 | dpkg | No packages found matching debconf |
| 09:39.21 | wols | dpkg: shutup |
| 09:39.21 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
| 09:39.35 | nasas | http://rafb.net/p/Y9Anrj81.html |
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| 09:39.40 | nasas | mm wols http://rafb.net/p/Y9Anrj81.html |
| 09:40.03 | wols | nasas: I've sen it before |
| 09:41.02 | wols | you can also copy Db.conf to /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Db.pm |
| 09:41.15 | wols | *Db.pm (get it from packages.debian.org |
| 09:41.26 | alex^^ | any clues on where i could look for my drivers for my sata controller? |
| 09:41.38 | wols | alex^^: depends on the controller and what kernel you run |
| 09:42.04 | alex^^ | im trying to compile a kernel for xen - version 2.6.16 for xen 3.0.4 - but when it boots, it syas root=flag is incorrect and its unable toboot - when i check my grub.conf, the root flag is the same as the other kernels... |
| 09:42.16 | nasas | mmm wols http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=db.pm&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 09:42.18 | alex^^ | other kernels such as 2.6.18 has no problems |
| 09:42.24 | nasas | i can't see any result |
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| 09:43.38 | wols | nasas: maybe you should learn to search package CONTENTS instead of names |
| 09:43.42 | themill | nasas: the package is debconf |
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| 09:43.47 | wols | hint: the package name will be debconf |
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| 09:44.09 | wols | alex^^: what controller? |
| 09:44.26 | nasas | mmm wols themill http://rafb.net/p/DpV2lu21.html |
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| 09:44.48 | petemc | wols: you were poking me the other day? |
| 09:44.57 | en1gma | i was wondering about something....for a windows box to communicate with a linux they use putty....what about a linux box to communicate with a windows box |
| 09:45.18 | wols | petemc: got a "killed by signal 15" from nxserver/nxnode when connecting. |
| 09:45.31 | petemc | ah, sorted? |
| 09:45.41 | petemc | en1gma: you can use cygwin |
| 09:45.44 | themill | wols: rm is segfaulting too in that pastebin |
| 09:45.55 | wols | the client comes to "downloading session data" for a loooobng time, then timeout. the log details say "killed by signal 15" as last line just when nxnode should printing the GPL string |
| 09:46.03 | en1gma | petemc i thought cygwin is for a windows box |
| 09:46.08 | petemc | en1gma: right |
| 09:46.15 | en1gma | re-read my orig Q |
| 09:46.20 | petemc | en1gma: i dont need to |
| 09:46.25 | themill | en1gma: you can run sshd under cygwin on the windoze machine if you want to |
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| 09:46.51 | NiLon | hihi :) |
| 09:46.52 | en1gma | the windows mach will not be able to run cygwin |
| 09:47.04 | en1gma | in that case what does linux use |
| 09:47.28 | nasas | mm themill what is your opinion about http://rafb.net/p/DpV2lu21.html |
| 09:47.29 | wols | nasas: how did this box get to this state (debconf is an essential package for example). perl too |
| 09:47.31 | petemc | en1gma: firstly, thats off topic, secondly, windows doesnt have anything comparable to a useable shell |
| 09:47.40 | wols | en1gma: opensshd |
| 09:47.43 | themill | en1gma: don't tell people to reread your question. There is a small chance that people have misunderstood you and a larger chance that you were ambiguous in your question. Also, being impolite will just get you added to people's /ignore list |
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| 09:47.55 | Nazcafan | hi |
| 09:48.14 | themill | nasas: what's the output of apt-cache policy libc6 ? |
| 09:48.28 | Nazcafan | my firefox hangs when trying to enter the ipod nano webpage on the applestore, does also yours ? |
| 09:48.31 | wols | en1gma: you use "ssh" which is a ssh client, like putty |
| 09:48.44 | wols | however you need to run a sshd on windows first. hence cygwin |
| 09:48.44 | en1gma | ssh can communictate with telnet? |
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| 09:48.52 | en1gma | or dos? |
| 09:48.58 | Nazcafan | dos ? |
| 09:49.03 | wols | another way is remotedesktop. the linux client for that is called rdesktop (kinda like vnc) |
| 09:49.05 | en1gma | well dos emu |
| 09:49.07 | wols | vnc is another thing you could run |
| 09:49.11 | themill | en1gma: go and ask google. please for all our sakes. |
| 09:49.22 | nasas | my problem has a solution wols? |
| 09:49.29 | wols | en1gma: learn what ssh is and what telnet is before asking such dumb questions |
| 09:49.48 | en1gma | i been starting to see alot of that vnc stuff...or prob lately just noticing it is more like it...is virtual box a good app? |
| 09:49.56 | wols | nasas: I asked you something. cause clearly you have a major fuckup. to find a solution more of the problem is needed |
| 09:50.05 | wols | en1gma: that is OT as well. go ask someone else |
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| 09:50.19 | wols | nasas: more info about the exact problem that is |
| 09:50.23 | Nazcafan | oh it works now |
| 09:50.33 | themill | nasas: what's the output of apt-cache policy libc6 ? |
| 09:50.40 | en1gma | wols ok thnx for the info |
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| 09:51.23 | en1gma | so what you all doing this lovely morning? (thunderstorm woke me up) |
| 09:51.30 | en1gma | is that off topic? |
| 09:51.40 | wols | en1gma: we answer inane questions from people in #debian |
| 09:51.42 | wols | what else |
| 09:51.43 | daos | why would my system be booting to BusyBox straight after the install |
| 09:51.49 | en1gma | lol |
| 09:51.51 | wols | en1gma: just to make sure. is it sunday where you are? |
| 09:52.03 | wols | daos: cause there is a problem. |
| 09:52.08 | en1gma | f here |
| 09:52.15 | wols | busybox is the "fallback shell". |
| 09:52.17 | daos | that fucking construtive |
| 09:52.33 | en1gma | is "inane" close to "asinine" |
| 09:52.40 | wols | daos: there is an error somewhere displayed. if you don't tell us the error, you are fucking constructive indeed |
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| 09:52.50 | en1gma | cause my friends always called me asinine |
| 09:53.11 | daos | well say that rather than a smartass coment |
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| 09:53.17 | daos | I will get the error |
| 09:53.27 | en1gma | therefore if asinine and inane are related anything i would say cause onle relevany inane Qs are allowed :) |
| 09:53.49 | zorg_the_false | q. i got a .deb available in a website and would to advice my user on how to install it easily, is there a way to get apt-get or dpkg to read the .deb directly from the http server, instead of first doing wget and then dpkg ? |
| 09:54.51 | wols | zorg_the_false: create a repo and tell your users how to add it to their sources.list |
| 09:55.09 | wols | see debian-multimedia and winehq for fairly easy descriptions how to do it |
| 09:55.10 | zorg_the_false | wols: well it is even more complicated than wget + dpkg :) |
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| 09:55.27 | wols | the downloading. for creating the repo there is a howto in the factoid here somewhere |
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| 09:55.42 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 09:55.44 | cast | its not hard to paste su; wget url; dpkg -i :) |
| 09:56.07 | zorg_the_false | wols: ok so impossible to do a dpkg http://blabla or apt-get install http://blibli ? |
| 09:56.18 | wols | petemc: any suggestions what this signal 15 could be caused by? I simply apt-getted the 3 needed .debs |
| 09:56.19 | tamiya | Under linux, whats the equivalent of Windows' ipconfig /release and ipconfig /renew |
| 09:56.21 | zorg_the_false | i tried and failed, but i was wondering if i missed something |
| 09:56.32 | tamiya | i have read the man page for dhclient but it doesn't say |
| 09:56.35 | wols | petemc: also, will NX start X or should it be alread started (tried both tho) |
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| 09:56.40 | sideral | My server just rebooted by itself, and I would like to know, why. /var/log/syslog doesn't say much, any other place I should be looking? |
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| 09:56.58 | cast | tamiya: i'd try ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 |
| 09:56.59 | wols | zorg_the_false: ifup <interface> and ifdown |
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| 09:57.04 | zorg_the_false | tamiya: get your netif to go up and down, this would do it |
| 09:57.12 | zorg_the_false | wols: no me, im the dpkg http guy :) |
| 09:57.14 | petemc | wols: it will start it - i use the nomachine debs, have no bother (other than the licensing) |
| 09:57.17 | wols | sideral: you won't see anything in this case imho |
| 09:57.19 | patrick-- | hey, how can i find a file that has been modified during the last 2 days ? |
| 09:57.23 | tamiya | i see :) thanks |
| 09:57.23 | binfalse | Hi |
| 09:57.27 | cast | patrick--: with find :D |
| 09:57.30 | binfalse | dunno |
| 09:57.34 | patrick-- | how exactly?= |
| 09:57.34 | wols | petemc: sid, etch, etc? |
| 09:57.40 | themill | patrick--: man find |
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| 09:57.45 | petemc | wols: sid |
| 09:57.52 | cast | patrick--: exactly, well with man find and some other key presses |
| 09:57.55 | sideral | wols: sad. |
| 09:58.03 | wols | petemc: samehere. and NX 3.0.0-63 |
| 09:58.48 | wols | sideral: you could try and set up a syslog damon for the machine on another host (syslog via network). then at least there is a chance that you see something in syslog or kern.log |
| 09:58.51 | themill | patrick--: look for the -mtime option to find |
| 09:58.57 | petemc | wols: i can give the debs i use if you want to try those.. |
| 09:59.14 | daos | my first error is: init1: can not open /dev/root (no syuch device) and then cannot load /etc/fstab |
| 09:59.18 | alex^^ | wols, sorry for the delay, its a ICH7 controller |
| 09:59.18 | alex^^ | intel |
| 09:59.19 | wols | no guarantees. basically your kernel crashed and if that crashes the machine won't do anything anymore... not even write logs about the crash |
| 09:59.35 | sideral | wols: would i be getting more messages then? |
| 09:59.36 | zorg_the_false | daos: this is likely a syntax error in the /etc/fstab |
| 09:59.41 | daos | this is on a Dell 1900 server with a SAS RAID controller |
| 09:59.52 | wols | alex^^: learn how to compile kernels then. have you compiled in the needed controller drivers? |
| 10:00.01 | wols | sideral: possibly. but nothings certain |
| 10:00.18 | petemc | daos: i have a few 1950s, had to jump through a few hoops to get installed |
| 10:00.35 | sideral | wols: if that was for me, I don't think the kernel crashed, because I saw a message that it went into runlevel 6, so something/body must have invoked shutdown -r or the like, don't you think? |
| 10:00.47 | alex^^ | wols, any clues ? |
| 10:00.56 | wols | sideral: then check kern.log files |
| 10:01.01 | sideral | wols: ok |
| 10:01.05 | daos | (petemc): whats the hoops? or can you point me in the direction of some instructions |
| 10:01.08 | wols | alex^^: yes. compile in the intel sata driver |
| 10:01.21 | alex^^ | wols, right, i would first need to download the driveR? |
| 10:01.26 | alex^^ | wols, intel website? |
| 10:01.42 | cast | just so i'm sure about this...if i get a logitech trackman, i presume itll behave exactly like a mouse as far as the OS is concerned? |
| 10:01.59 | wols | alex^^: no. kernel config |
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| 10:02.07 | cast | [including if i plug it into usb] |
| 10:02.08 | wols | alex^^: your kernel supports intel chips by default |
| 10:02.18 | wols | alex^^: if you know how to compile it in |
| 10:02.29 | wols | debian kernels might haver it as a module and load it via initrd |
| 10:02.31 | petemc | daos: http://www.mail-archive.com/yoper-dev@lists.yoper.com/msg00492.html - you might have more luck now, it was a while ago when i installed |
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| 10:03.42 | alex^^ | wols, right im sure the xen installer compiled those in |
| 10:03.50 | alex^^ | i think its because i dont have a initrd file |
| 10:03.55 | daos | (petemc): nice, looks to be exactly what I am looking for |
| 10:03.58 | alex^^ | is my problems. |
| 10:04.28 | sideral | wols: found something weird: /var/log/loginlast says somebody tried to login, and if am not mistaken (no man page for that logfile) it was via a terminal, definitely not sshd. login attempt failed, 2 secs later, the machine goes down. did he touch the reboot button? |
| 10:06.39 | ftl | Directory containing linux kernel source code |
| 10:06.46 | ftl | What is this by default for debian? |
| 10:07.08 | Fox_1_ | people I have problem with postfix virtual alias. I'm using mysql for sorring aliases. what postfix do. when I sent mail in to alias email it create folder for that user and work with him as real email. if you need I can post my config in pastbin. |
| 10:07.17 | Fox_1_ | sorring = storring |
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| 10:08.09 | themill | ftl: /usr/src/linux-source-version |
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| 10:08.27 | ftl | nothing in that dir yet |
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| 10:08.45 | themill | ftl: did you install a linux-source package? |
| 10:08.56 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, you need the canonical, virtual and alias mappings |
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| 10:09.03 | fnf | Does anyone know how to build a development package which uses autoconf?. The package I'm building is gtk-2.10.14 |
| 10:09.08 | ftl | themill: I don't think so |
| 10:09.16 | ftl | themill: What/how should I do this? |
| 10:09.20 | themill | ftl: that's sort of a requirement if you want the source ;) |
| 10:09.23 | capiira | any apt pinning master here? :) |
| 10:09.33 | themill | ftl: aptitude install liux-source-version |
| 10:09.40 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, you meen I must say which virtual address must sent into which real address? |
| 10:09.49 | ftl | uname -a gives the version right? |
| 10:10.04 | Arafangion | ftl: Of sorts. |
| 10:10.28 | ftl | aptitude install 2.6.18-5-amd64 would do then right |
| 10:10.34 | fnf | anyone? |
| 10:10.45 | ftl | Couldn't find package "2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 10:10.47 | ftl | hmmz |
| 10:10.49 | themill | ftl: aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 10:11.01 | themill | ftl: what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:11.46 | ftl | I need it for installing the VPN client |
| 10:12.01 | themill | fnf: why are you trying to rebuild gtk2? |
| 10:12.04 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, if you use imap or something, all your virtual users have a real_home_dir under /home/imap or similar. if you set up only aliases, then check /etc/aliases |
| 10:12.06 | themill | ftl: which client? |
| 10:12.23 | fnf | themill: that is one of the GIMP's requirement (2.4-rc2) |
| 10:12.25 | themill | ftl: it's possible you only need the kernel headers package and not the entire source |
| 10:12.35 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, yes I'm using imap(dovecot) |
| 10:12.49 | fnf | themill: I'm fairly confident with making DEBs, but never made a -dev package. |
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| 10:13.14 | ftl | themill: ok thanks |
| 10:13.23 | Arafangion | fnf: I don't see how a -dev package is any different. |
| 10:13.27 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, and in main.cf i must write virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases ??? |
| 10:13.33 | themill | fnf: gtk2 2.10 is already in debian for sid and lenny. |
| 10:13.44 | ftl | themill: only have this in the /usr/src dir now: |
| 10:13.45 | ftl | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 41378299 2007-08-29 07:05 linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 |
| 10:14.05 | themill | fnf: you can use that as a starting point. perhaps. |
| 10:14.10 | fnf | Arafangion: a normal make/make install will not (presumably) install the static libs? |
| 10:14.37 | themill | ftl: yep... that sounds about right. that's the source code compressed |
| 10:14.48 | themill | ftl: which vpn client are you working on? |
| 10:14.53 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, i dont think so :) |
| 10:15.06 | ftl | themill: Just the Cisco one |
| 10:15.11 | Arafangion | fnf: That isn't needed for the -dev, afaik. |
| 10:15.15 | fnf | themill: the stock packages usually have a lot of customization/fixes, which somewhat confuse me as to how to build a -dev package using the absolute minimal steps. |
| 10:15.35 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, all your virtual mappings are stored in the mysql db and so everything should be stored there |
| 10:15.41 | sideral | wols: problem resolved: they relocated the server and forgot to notify me. |
| 10:15.44 | fnf | Arafangion: the static libs are needed by the other applications which will be built. |
| 10:15.53 | Arafangion | fnf: I doubt that very much. |
| 10:15.54 | fnf | Arafangion: and headers. |
| 10:15.56 | sideral | wols: thanx for all, though |
| 10:16.07 | ftl | themill: should I unpack that sc? |
| 10:16.10 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, yes, have written "virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf" |
| 10:16.11 | Arafangion | fnf: It definetly installs headers and the like, but not the static libs. |
| 10:16.21 | themill | ftl: vpnc is already in debian and works with cisco vpns. |
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| 10:16.47 | themill | ftl: and it's much friendlier and better behaved than cisco's offering. |
| 10:16.52 | fnf | Arafangion: last time I checked, 'make install' will only install the shared lib (if that is a library), not the headers and static libs. |
| 10:16.57 | fnf | is there any tutorial?. |
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| 10:17.14 | Arafangion | fnf: Repeat after me. |
| 10:17.23 | Arafangion | fnf: "I do not need the static libraries to compile dynamic programs". |
| 10:18.05 | Arafangion | fnf: You only need the headers, and .so's, NOT the .a's, unless you explicitly want to create static programs, which is becomming less and less common. |
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| 10:18.14 | cryptos | hello |
| 10:18.15 | cryptos | can i increase/decrease brightness of monitor of my laptop from shell? |
| 10:18.27 | fnf | Arafangion: ok, I sure don't need them, but if the package requires it (just a simple configure flag), this is another story. Not to mention I want to know a way to build a dev package (which consists of the headers and static libs) anyway. |
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| 10:19.23 | Arafangion | Fair enough. :) |
| 10:19.23 | mbroeker | cryptos, try xgamma |
| 10:19.34 | themill | fnf: have a look at the gtk2 packages that are already in debian -- learning by example is the easiest way. |
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| 10:20.02 | fnf | themill: I will look at a few of them, now I've got to get back to debian-mentors, someone answered :). |
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| 10:20.11 | cryptos | mbroeker: how i use it? |
| 10:20.37 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, if you say me some thing please write again. |
| 10:20.50 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, about postfix |
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| 10:21.53 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, in /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf I have query and database setting. |
| 10:21.57 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, you write an email to a virtual user example@virtual.org and what happens with that mail on your actual configigured postfix/devcot installation? |
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| 10:24.40 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, I have real mail real@aaa.com and virtual email virtual@aaa.com in virtual alias table I have source=virtual destination=real@aaa.com. postfix/dovecot look in that table and doesn't send email in to real@aaa.com. it's create virtual folder in mail home and store email there. |
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| 10:24.52 | Ramattack | Hello mates |
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| 10:25.27 | Ramattack | I wanna do a ssh tunnel listening on a remote machine (although till that machine traffic is insecure...) this should work? |
| 10:25.37 | Ramattack | ssh 192.168.3.14 -L 23900:212.142.175.113:25 |
| 10:25.41 | Ramattack | ?=?ŋ?ŋ |
| 10:25.48 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, why I say that postfix/dovecot loooks in that table, because when I haven't any data about virtual@aaa.com. it's just reject the email which addressed to virtual@aaa.com |
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| 10:26.33 | themill | Ramattack: that looks ok. You can confirm with netstat at either end. |
| 10:26.34 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, try changing the virtual domain to send mails to root@aaa.com and virtual@sub.aaa.com |
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| 10:27.22 | mbroeker | i mean. real users get email to the aaa.com domain and virtual users are in *.sub.aaa.com |
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| 10:27.46 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, no, all my users in one domain. |
| 10:28.04 | Ramattack | themill, doesn't work |
| 10:28.05 | Ramattack | ... |
| 10:28.25 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 10:28.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:28.48 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, ok, now I'll try to add new domain and redirect virtual email to other domain email |
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| 10:31.55 | Ramattack | themill, doesn't work... sais conection refused and if you nmap port locally sais closed |
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| 10:33.30 | themill | Ramattack: works for me... you're trying to connect to port 23900 locally, aren't you? |
| 10:34.01 | Ramattack | nope to 192.168.3.14 port 23900 and want to access to 212.142.175.113 port 25 |
| 10:34.03 | themill | Ramattack: hang on... you want to listen on the remote machine and forward back to the local machine? |
| 10:34.52 | ftl | How is the SSH server package called for debian |
| 10:35.16 | JeremyK | openssh-server |
| 10:35.22 | themill | !tell ftl about search |
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| 10:37.02 | themill | Ramattack: I'm not sure of what you are trying to do exactly, but it sounds like you want "remote" forwarding not "local" forwarding. Look at the -R option to ssh instead of -L. |
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| 10:37.36 | ftl | thanks again :) |
| 10:37.38 | Ramattack | themill, I want from my lan machine to telnet to another of my lan machine and there to start a tunnel to another machine another port |
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| 10:38.30 | wfq | hi guys |
| 10:38.37 | wfq | I have a question for administrators |
| 10:38.48 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, no, it's again create folder and store mails there. |
| 10:38.56 | neantror | hello , i have a strange problem.. im trying to configure xorg on debian 4 with dpkg-reconfigure xorg .. and nothing happen i dont get any error but nothing load.. anyone know why ? |
| 10:38.58 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, aliase doesn't work |
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| 10:39.19 | themill | !tell neantror about drxx |
| 10:39.33 | themill | Ramattack: ahh... ssh can't do that. you can only tunnel *through* the ssh connection (and optionally to other machines from either end of the tunnel). You can't add a tunnel on to the end of the ssh connection only. |
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| 10:39.50 | azeem | !drxx |
| 10:39.50 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 10:39.52 | azeem | neantror: ^^ |
| 10:39.57 | wfq | if you try to connect to an IP where it is a server that makes low-balance for two servers at the back end and sometimes you get mysql_connect not recognized and sometimes no, what do you thing that could be? |
| 10:39.59 | azeem | neantror: it's xserver-xorg, not xorg |
| 10:40.30 | Ramattack | themill, perhaps I haven't explained well... |
| 10:40.32 | wfq | I think that could be on of the server in the backend does not have the mysql extension activated |
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| 10:41.02 | Ramattack | machine A wants to telnet to machine B who has a ssh tunnel from machineB:20000 to machine C:24 on Internet... |
| 10:41.08 | themill | Ramattack: perhaps you can draw a diagram for me and pastebin it? (Or perhaps I need more coffee) |
| 10:41.14 | neantror | ok |
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| 10:41.17 | Ramattack | lol |
| 10:41.17 | neantror | sorry |
| 10:41.49 | troubled | wfq: xingu? |
| 10:41.51 | Ramattack | themill, telnet B:20000 should go to C:24 because is a tunnel enabled on B |
| 10:42.09 | Ramattack | and I'm using a windows machine (A) who telnets to B port 20000 |
| 10:42.14 | Ramattack | is this possible? |
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| 10:44.13 | themill | Ramattack: yes, that should be possible. On B, run: ssh C -L 20000:C:25. And then on A run: telnet B 20000 |
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| 10:45.44 | Ramattack | ssh: C: Name or service not known |
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| 10:46.24 | themill | Ramattack: you're obviously going to have to substitute machine names or IPs for A, B and C |
| 10:46.38 | Ramattack | oh |
| 10:46.39 | Ramattack | sorry |
| 10:46.44 | Ramattack | I think it was C an option |
| 10:47.41 | Ramattack | but ssh C won't try to connect via ssh to to C ip? |
| 10:47.53 | Ramattack | yes |
| 10:47.54 | Ramattack | ok |
| 10:48.00 | themill | !cluebat Ramattack |
| 10:48.17 | themill | perhaps I should give you the coffee ;) |
| 10:49.08 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, can you paste your main.cf file ? |
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| 10:49.28 | Fox_1_ | !pastebin |
| 10:49.28 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 10:51.26 | Ramattack | it always sais connection refused |
| 10:51.28 | Ramattack | doesn't work |
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| 10:52.25 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, http://pastebin.ca/685397 |
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| 10:53.38 | themill | Ramattack: is anything listening on that port on C? (e.g. telnetd) |
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| 10:53.51 | themill | Ramattack: and for that matter... why are you using telnet for anything? |
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| 10:54.17 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.20 | Ramattack | themill, in C in port 25 is listening smtp |
| 10:54.28 | Ramattack | that's what I used for testing this |
| 10:54.45 | tomek | hello, how can I install all recommended packages for my Debian? |
| 10:54.51 | themill | Ramattack: ok so... you can't just get your smtp server to do STARTTLS instead? |
| 10:54.54 | mbroeker | petemc, you havent such a good script? you can download it from me... |
| 10:54.56 | Ramattack | and what to telnet to B ethernet ip so 192.... to port.... don't know 4000 |
| 10:54.59 | themill | !tell tomek about aptitude-fu |
| 10:55.08 | Ramattack | themill, is only testing |
| 10:55.11 | Ramattack | that is done... |
| 10:55.23 | petemc | mbroeker: repeated use will get you kicked |
| 10:55.27 | Ramattack | you know |
| 10:55.56 | Ramattack | if sometime I need to set a point to point secure channel... I wanted to know if ssh can done or if ssh tunnels can only listen in lo interface.... |
| 10:56.24 | mbroeker | petemc, why? whats wrong with private statements ? |
| 10:56.34 | themill | mbroeker: please keep it on topic |
| 10:56.41 | petemc | mbroeker: thats not private |
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| 10:57.01 | themill | Ramattack: ahh....you can specify the bind address for the tunnel. -L B:20000:C:25 |
| 10:57.35 | Ramattack | yeah I wanted to bind it to another ip different than localhost |
| 10:57.36 | mbroeker | petemc, thats neither spam or flooding... its one line. a statement... |
| 10:57.43 | GoAuLd | whats faster for an "intel core 2 duo", a 32 bit distro or 64 bit distro? |
| 10:57.46 | petemc | mbroeker: keep doing it, see what happens |
| 10:57.57 | mbroeker | petemc, yes chan sherrif |
| 10:58.05 | SlayerXP | GoAuLd: if you drop both off a cliff, they'll reach the same terminal velocity |
| 10:58.05 | themill | mbroeker: please keep it on topic |
| 10:58.33 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, did you look my post? |
| 10:59.04 | GoAuLd | SlayerXP are u sure? |
| 10:59.13 | ftl | Does anyone know where I can alter the DirectoryIndex in the latest Apache2 version? |
| 10:59.21 | SlayerXP | GoAuLd: yes. |
| 10:59.28 | ftl | In which filee |
| 10:59.50 | Ramattack | themill, YEAH! |
| 10:59.54 | themill | ftl: you should put it in either your sites-enabled config or in the conf.d |
| 10:59.58 | Ramattack | THAT'S WHAT i WANTED T!!! |
| 11:00.00 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, yes i did: local_transport = local |
| 11:00.00 | mbroeker | local_recipient_maps = $alias_maps $virtual_mailbox_maps is missing |
| 11:00.03 | themill | Ramattack: :) |
| 11:00.20 | ftl | themill: thanks |
| 11:00.26 | themill | np |
| 11:00.28 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, I must add "local_transport = local" too? |
| 11:00.44 | mbroeker | try it |
| 11:00.45 | Ramattack | themill, thanks a lot mate!!!!!į |
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| 11:01.01 | ftl | themill: I ment which files should be enabled as index, like index.html, index.html etc |
| 11:01.09 | Ramattack | themill, and know the only thing... |
| 11:01.10 | themill | Ramattack: no worries. Glad we got there eventually. |
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| 11:01.49 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, $virtual_mailbox_maps or $virtual_alias_maps ? |
| 11:02.31 | mbroeker | the latter |
| 11:02.41 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 11:02.57 | Ramattack | only this themill |
| 11:02.59 | themill | ftl: the default setting is only index.html (IIRC). It's takes the default value (I don't think it's specified by default). You can look up the default values on httpd.apache.org |
| 11:03.20 | Ramattack | if I have done this for my purpose.... and havent worked could this damage to .3.31 machine : "ssh root@192.168.3.31 -L 23900:212.142.175.113:25" |
| 11:03.23 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, virtual_mailbox_maps is defined in line 28 of your paste |
| 11:03.36 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 11:03.42 | mbroeker | so use it |
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| 11:05.07 | themill | Ramattack: I'm not sure what you mean "damage to". You won't be able to bind that port multiple times on B, if that's what you mean. |
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| 11:05.34 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, nop. does it metter where to add that lines? I have added them in bottom of file |
| 11:05.35 | Ramattack | nooo if I could damage something on that machine... any route or something like that in .3.31 |
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| 11:06.09 | themill | Ramattack: ahh... no, the ssh tunnel only forwards that one port and only ssh/sshd is involved. The routing tables etc aren't touched. |
| 11:06.31 | ftl | themill: yea but in which file is that specified? |
| 11:06.34 | Ramattack | ok mate thanks a lot the mill |
| 11:06.37 | dvs01 | w00t.. im a sysadmin for my employer, but i just got myself a development project to work on =D |
| 11:06.41 | Ramattack | thanks very very much |
| 11:07.13 | L0cKn | hi :-) |
| 11:07.16 | themill | ftl: it's not. it only takes it's default value |
| 11:08.45 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, check it with postconf |
| 11:09.03 | mbroeker | Fox, but i changed the order right now and it works for me... |
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| 11:11.14 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, postconf doesn't return any error |
| 11:11.39 | mbroeker | well, Fox_1_ try postconf | grep virtual |
| 11:11.57 | mbroeker | if there are your statements in the right and proper order, you are fine. |
| 11:13.00 | Romano_ | hi everyone! i'm running webalizer via a cron on my debian box, i'm getting this message by mail from Anacron : |
| 11:13.07 | Romano_ | "/usr/bin/webalizer: /usr/lib/libdb-4.5.so: no version information available (required by /usr/bin/webalizer)" |
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| 11:13.44 | Fox_1_ | mbroeker, look http://pastebin.ca/685414 |
| 11:13.55 | Fox_1_ | as I understand it's ok |
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| 11:16.56 | mbroeker | Fox_1_, google for virtual mail and follow that howto. i think thats easier here... |
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| 11:17.12 | Fox_1_ | ok, thanks, for help |
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| 11:18.23 | Thanatermesis | http://paste.debian.net/36495 |
| 11:18.37 | Thanatermesis | sorry, wrong channel |
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| 11:20.01 | chanakya | I need to compile ethernet drivers for a server , is there some packaged build-essential that i can download for the offine use ? |
| 11:20.20 | chanakya | I am using debian 3.1 R4 |
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| 11:20.43 | Trentster | Hey all, I am having trouble getting snmpd running correctly, the service starts and a ps aux | grep snmpd shows its running but netstat does not show is listening ? any ideas? |
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| 11:25.54 | n000b | hi all |
| 11:25.58 | hatter | when i do xhost + on my etch box it says 'X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication |
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| 11:26.35 | tamiya | hey guys... |
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| 11:26.54 | tamiya | i just installed Google's Picasa application using their instructions... the installation went well |
| 11:27.17 | tamiya | problem is: the application has hunged. How do I force it to close? |
| 11:27.45 | n000b | after successfully bringing up my wlan adapter and associating with a essid isn't supposed dhclient wlan0 to assign an IP addr to my wlan adapter? |
| 11:28.15 | tamiya | n000b: yes |
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| 11:28.55 | tamiya | or try something like: ifconfig wlan0 inet 192.168.x.y netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.255.255 |
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| 11:29.14 | en1gma | 192.168.x.255* |
| 11:29.17 | freach | hi, got a problem with my RTL-8169 based network adapter, it is connected to a gigabit switch but I just get a 100Tx-FD connection and I can't get gigabit to work because if I try to fore 1000Tx-FD mii-tool just say "Invalid Media Type", I use kernel module r8169 on debian 4.0, any ideas ? |
| 11:30.06 | n000b | tamiya: thanks, it is not my ap, i'm running airodump-ng which brings me a list of APs with encryption off and i would like to associate with one |
| 11:30.21 | en1gma | there are 3 different modules for the 8169 in the kernel .config |
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| 11:30.25 | en1gma | you useing the right one? |
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| 11:30.41 | n000b | tamiya: it associates, but dhclient doesn't give me an address |
| 11:30.47 | geo-rge | or the center one? |
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| 11:30.55 | fireba11 | freach: you using a cable fit for GBit ? |
| 11:31.03 | en1gma | 'dhclient wlan0' dont work? |
| 11:31.14 | freach | en1gma: I use the one which debian chooses to load |
| 11:31.18 | en1gma | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 11:31.30 | freach | fireba11: yes Cat5e SUTP |
| 11:31.31 | tamiya | n000b: what about ifdown wlan0 and then 'ifup wlan0' |
| 11:31.57 | fireba11 | freach: got any cat6 or cat7 cable handy to make sure ? :-) |
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| 11:32.11 | en1gma | freach then its most likely the correct one but just wanted you to know (cause i also have an 8169) but i slected which one to use in the .config |
| 11:32.18 | freach | fireba11: with the same cable and my mac book I get a gigabit link ;) |
| 11:32.26 | tamiya | I'm a n00b too. Trying to learn how to force quit a graphical application |
| 11:32.38 | petemc | xkill |
| 11:32.42 | n000b | tamiya: ifconfig wlan0 up/down works, even the LED turns on/off |
| 11:32.47 | en1gma | freach your switch is 1000mb and your card is 100mb |
| 11:32.54 | fireba11 | freach: okay, point taken :-) |
| 11:32.56 | en1gma | your card cant do 1000mb |
| 11:33.12 | tamiya | but no IP address from the DHCP server? |
| 11:33.13 | freach | en1gma: yes it can |
| 11:33.32 | en1gma | maybe i have the 3169 |
| 11:33.35 | en1gma | let me re-look |
| 11:33.41 | en1gma | im compiling so i cant |
| 11:33.42 | en1gma | lol |
| 11:33.44 | n000b | tamiya: yes, no ip address |
| 11:33.53 | n000b | receive_packet failed on wlan0: Network is down |
| 11:34.40 | tamiya | skip that problem for the time being, can you assign a static IP and ping other hosts or the AP itself? |
| 11:34.40 | freach | en1gma: to make sure, that's lspci output: 01:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 10) |
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| 11:35.25 | en1gma | ok sounds like you have a gigabit card...isnt there a way to force it to gigabit instead of auto negotiate |
| 11:35.33 | tamiya | yay!! xkill did the trick!!! |
| 11:35.37 | en1gma | and like he said it might be your cord |
| 11:35.38 | tamiya | petemc: thanks, mate |
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| 11:36.06 | en1gma | cat5 prob stops at 100mbit |
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| 11:36.14 | vlt | freach: what does `ethtool eth0` say (assuming that it is eth0)? |
| 11:36.21 | petemc | tamiya: np, also you can fire up a terminal and use ps |grep to find the process id of an app, then use kill on that |
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| 11:36.31 | freach | en1gma: yes I tried it with "mii-tool -F 1000Tx-FD eth0" but mii-tool replies Invalid media specification |
| 11:36.43 | fireba11 | en1gma: it's cat5e though |
| 11:36.46 | en1gma | what kernel you running |
| 11:36.54 | freach | en1gma: cable is ok Cat5e works with gigabit |
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| 11:37.09 | en1gma | ok so sounds like you have the correct hardware |
| 11:37.16 | freach | en1gma: 2.6.18-5-568 |
| 11:37.20 | en1gma | time to start checking software |
| 11:37.24 | fireba11 | en1gma: maybe autosensing problem ? |
| 11:37.30 | n000b | tamiya: i would happily assign a static IP address but i guess it should be in the same subnet with the AP |
| 11:37.43 | en1gma | fireba11 but he said he tried to force it |
| 11:37.43 | tamiya | is 'ps -ef | grep application' the right way to do it? |
| 11:37.44 | n000b | tamiya: which of course, i don't know |
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| 11:37.54 | tamiya | n000b: oh :( |
| 11:37.57 | en1gma | freach when you forced it did you reset the router afterwards? |
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| 11:38.34 | freach | hmmmmmm wait ..... |
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| 11:38.47 | en1gma | freach just for the heck of it dlaod sidux live cd (the reason i say sidux) is because they always use the latest kernels usually |
| 11:38.57 | ftl | Anyone here experienced with installing a tomcat server on debian? |
| 11:39.00 | en1gma | see if it autoconnects at gigabit speeds too |
| 11:39.10 | freach | mii-tool say 100baseTx-FD .... and ethtool say Speed: 1000MB/s |
| 11:39.14 | tamiya | thats out of my league :) Can anyone help n00b with how to determine the subnet an AP is on? like sniffing wifi packet using a GUI tool? |
| 11:39.18 | freach | which one is right now ?! :P |
| 11:39.19 | en1gma | :))) |
| 11:39.24 | en1gma | ohh |
| 11:40.01 | infinity0 | uh hi people... how do i use the debian-installer to set up an encrypted LVM on two drives? |
| 11:40.02 | en1gma | how fast is your net dloads and do you have another computer on the lan with a gigabit nic |
| 11:40.07 | freach | let me take a look at the switch again ...... |
| 11:40.19 | freach | en1gma: 100 MBit could fit with 9MB/s |
| 11:40.21 | tamiya | airsnot and kismet comes to mind... but i wouldn't know how to use em :( |
| 11:40.25 | en1gma | you might actually be connected at gigabit right now |
| 11:40.29 | tamiya | airsnort even |
| 11:40.38 | praktikant | I get CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -13 CIFS VFS: cifs_mount failed w/return code = -13 from dmesg when I try to mount cifs. Both client and server are etch, with smbfs it works fine |
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| 11:41.06 | en1gma | freach 9mb/s or 9MBs |
| 11:41.29 | n000b | tamiya: funny thing is i got an ip addr using my palm |
| 11:41.34 | simonrvn | no, all of them have to be gige otherwise the gige ones will step themselves down to 100 or 10bT |
| 11:41.50 | n000b | i tihnk smth is wrong with my wireless on my laptop |
| 11:41.59 | en1gma | nm you meant 9MB/s |
| 11:42.07 | simonrvn | n000b: what's the ap's address? |
| 11:42.09 | en1gma | yea that is correct for a 100mbit connection |
| 11:42.11 | tamiya | n00b: then theres a gp |
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| 11:42.42 | tamiya | n00b: then theres a good chance you can determine the subnet, unless the sysadmin has set up an unusual subnet mask |
| 11:42.54 | tamiya | n00b: then theres a good chance you can guess the subnet, unless the sysadmin has set up an unusual subnet mask |
| 11:42.56 | simonrvn | subnet is easy to figure out |
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| 11:43.15 | freach | en1gma: it is strange .... 9MB/s, ethtool said gigabit link, switch now say gigabit link too, mii-tool say 100baseTX-FD |
| 11:43.18 | n000b | i already figured these out |
| 11:43.24 | simonrvn | ok, good |
| 11:43.35 | en1gma | if the switch says gigabit i would think thats what it actually is |
| 11:43.40 | freach | I'm confused but i trust the switch, it have to know what it's doing |
| 11:43.50 | en1gma | but the only way to test is with another gigabit computer on lan most likely |
| 11:44.21 | neantror | hmm.. i did a fresh install and if i do aptitude install xorg.. i get a black screen and xorg hangs.. so i reformated and tried apt-get install xorg this time and it work .. isnt weird ? someone know why ? |
| 11:44.24 | tamiya | oh man, i can feel a mouth ulcer coming on |
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| 11:44.37 | en1gma | i have to 'halt' brb in 1 sec...installed new kernel need to switch to ut |
| 11:44.41 | tamiya | here comes 2 weeks of pain |
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| 11:45.00 | freach | ever computer in my lan is gigabit, but only 3 of 3 of 5 got gigabit link, but the over 2 without gigabit link have a cable problem I patched it worse i think |
| 11:45.34 | simonrvn | freach: you'll also have to tune the networking on those other machines |
| 11:45.41 | freach | uha wha'ts going with my english |
| 11:46.24 | freach | simonrvn: it's no porblem the others are patching problems which I have to solve, nothing about software or else |
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| 11:46.42 | Nyle | GOOD MORNING |
| 11:46.45 | Nyle | SORRY |
| 11:46.47 | Nyle | fuck, damn caps |
| 11:46.48 | en1gmaa | ello |
| 11:47.10 | Nyle | hi |
| 11:47.12 | en1gmaa | freach its most likely gigabit if switch says it is cause it has auto sensing too |
| 11:47.28 | freach | en1gmaa: yes i think so too |
| 11:47.30 | en1gmaa | i would say 95% it is in gigabit mode |
| 11:47.47 | freach | en1gmaa: but mii-tool sucks to be strange |
| 11:48.00 | infinity0 | can encrypted LVM volumes be accessed through other OSs? |
| 11:48.30 | Trentster | Hey all, I am having trouble getting snmpd running correctly, the service starts and a ps aux | grep snmpd shows its running but netstat does not show is listening ? any ideas? |
| 11:48.51 | en1gmaa | freach i see msgs from mii-tool when i boot up but i have never really messed with it before |
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| 11:49.35 | freach | anyways thanks for helping |
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| 11:50.07 | en1gmaa | np...not sure if i actually helped but i try :) |
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| 11:56.12 | Agrajag- | i'm trying to find a good ip account tool, but haven't managed to find anything decent. ipac-ng did what i want, but isn't available in etch. i need to be able to see where my bandwidth is going, via ports, ips etc. |
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| 11:57.00 | simonrvn | !+info ipac-ng |
| 11:57.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:57.05 | dpkg | Package 'ipac-ng' does not exist. |
| 11:57.11 | simonrvn | !+info ipac-ng lenny |
| 11:57.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 11:57.14 | dpkg | Package 'ipac-ng' does not exist. |
| 11:57.22 | simonrvn | Agrajag-: seems it was removed |
| 11:57.27 | Agrajag- | it appears to be in sid (and sarge) |
| 11:57.43 | simonrvn | according to the bot, it isn't in sid either |
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| 11:58.02 | Trentster | how do i get daemons to autostart on bootup under debian? |
| 11:58.04 | Agrajag- | http://packages.debian.org/sid/ipac-ng (not sure what gnuab means) |
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| 11:58.29 | xand | Trentster: which ones? ones installed from debian should already... others you need to do with update-rc.d |
| 11:58.41 | simonrvn | Agrajag-: yeh, but i also just did apt-cache show ipac-ng here (x86 sid box) and i don't have anything |
| 11:58.47 | Agrajag- | ah ok |
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| 11:59.27 | Trentster | xand, thanks is there any tool like in "ntsysv" for debian that shows you runlevels etc? |
| 11:59.39 | simonrvn | you could find it at snapshot.debian.net but there's some reason (likely a good one) it's been removed |
| 11:59.41 | xand | dont know |
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| 12:00.03 | simonrvn | Trentster: "autostart"? |
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| 12:00.13 | Agrajag- | simonrvn: yeah that's what i figured, that's why i was trying to find something that could do the same job.. but haven't been able to find anything yet |
| 12:00.42 | Trentster | simonrvn, is that an optional package? |
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| 12:01.08 | simonrvn | Trentster: uh, no that's me asking what you mean by 'autostart' |
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| 12:02.58 | patrick-- | why dont i get all php files that have been changed within the last 7 days with find . -ctime 7 -name *php ? |
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| 12:05.03 | Kaiten4 | how do I scramble my mac address? my school blocked my machine |
| 12:05.40 | Trentster | simonrvn, in redhat there is a little utility called "ntsysv" that you can run from sonsole and put a tick next to the daemons you want to start on boot! |
| 12:06.09 | simonrvn | ah. sysvconfig can do that |
| 12:06.18 | simonrvn | lemme check the package name to be sure |
| 12:06.30 | simonrvn | yeh, that's it |
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| 12:07.21 | alex^^ | does anyone know if tv sharing proggies such has joost or others will be playing the rugby world cup live? |
| 12:07.24 | alex^^ | offtopic |
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| 12:08.15 | Kulu | hello |
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| 12:08.48 | geo-rge | any spanish and english speakers available to help on #qmail |
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| 12:09.06 | xand | well... !es :) |
| 12:09.06 | azeem | geo-rge: stop spamming :P |
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| 12:09.24 | geo-rge | this is a pretty specific request |
| 12:09.25 | simonrvn | geo-rge: SPAMMAR!!111!!11 |
| 12:09.32 | simonrvn | :P |
| 12:09.36 | xand | geo-rge: not relevant to debian :OOO |
| 12:09.54 | simonrvn | qmail is like dead, you know :P |
| 12:09.56 | xand | alex^^: google |
| 12:10.10 | geo-rge | it's alive for me :) |
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| 12:10.22 | chanakya | Kaiten4: you can do that with ifconfig |
| 12:10.28 | chanakya | check out the man pages |
| 12:10.29 | geo-rge | seems to work :) |
| 12:10.38 | azeem | geo-rge: that doesn't mean you should advertise it in here |
| 12:10.50 | azeem | next people say "hey, /join #vmware" |
| 12:10.59 | azeem | where to draw the line? |
| 12:11.29 | simonrvn | well depends if someone over there actually needs some help |
| 12:11.31 | geo-rge | that is what I'm askinf for yes. but, one person to help someone who is having trouble with the docs |
| 12:11.38 | simonrvn | i mean, right this second |
| 12:11.43 | geo-rge | yes |
| 12:11.47 | geo-rge | right now |
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| 12:12.01 | simonrvn | i thought so... ;) |
| 12:12.15 | simonrvn | i haven't used it, so i'm 'useless' =) |
| 12:12.28 | Arafangion | qmail is so inflexible, anyway. |
| 12:12.40 | geo-rge | well if you can read english and talk spansih... perfect |
| 12:13.15 | Arafangion | Hey, why don't a bunch of us go to #qmail, and just suggest that everbody use postfix, then leave? ;) |
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| 12:14.00 | azeem | Arafangion: please don't encourage people in here to troll other chans |
| 12:14.17 | Kulu | Does anyone can explain me or give me resource of how can I setup burst and cburst on HTB classes? |
| 12:14.31 | geo-rge | then we'd be... freenode! (j/k) |
| 12:14.56 | azeem | Kulu: what's the context? |
| 12:15.01 | azeem | what are HTB classes? |
| 12:15.35 | geo-rge | anyway it looks like the guy found a spanish translation of the doc |
| 12:15.38 | Kulu | no, how to calculate burst? |
| 12:15.43 | geo-rge | thanks anyway |
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| 12:16.06 | ALVAN | has someone installed linux with dmraid ? |
| 12:16.26 | Kulu | I've found only this discussion http://mailman.ds9a.nl/pipermail/lartc/2001q4/001972.html |
| 12:16.31 | cast | no one. ever has. you're the first! how do you feel about that ALVAN? |
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| 12:16.56 | ALVAN | cast, your a liar many had |
| 12:16.59 | ALVAN | but is dififcult |
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| 12:17.06 | azeem | Kulu: what's the Debian context of your question? |
| 12:17.56 | geo-rge | ALVAN: so -you- have tried it? |
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| 12:18.17 | ALVAN | yes i did i can boot the kernel and mount the real root |
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| 12:18.40 | ALVAN | the only problem i have is that i created many linux partition for each /usr /home /var /tmp etc |
| 12:18.47 | ALVAN | *partitions |
| 12:18.52 | Kulu | azeem, i'm debian user |
| 12:19.02 | ALVAN | and i cant mount those ..i can mount only / |
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| 12:19.30 | geo-rge | why can/t you mount those others? |
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| 12:20.27 | ALVAN | geo-rge, because dmraid -ay is called when you boot first in ramfs |
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| 12:20.43 | ALVAN | then after busybox chroot |
| 12:20.50 | ALVAN | i cant see them |
| 12:20.58 | |DuReX| | what could be the reason i get loads like load: 24.63, 16.36, 7.83 when ~10people are uploading a file to my home ftp ? :s |
| 12:21.02 | ALVAN | doing again dmraid -ay is impossible since it was done first |
| 12:21.20 | lunk | |DuReX|: I/O writes stacking up |
| 12:21.23 | geo-rge | can you start by only activating / |
| 12:21.28 | ALVAN | i need a way to mount them before chroot in the initrd.gz linuxrc file |
| 12:21.35 | ALVAN | geo-rge, yes |
| 12:21.40 | |DuReX| | lunk: any id how to fix that :) |
| 12:21.54 | geo-rge | then after going into chroot can you activate rest? |
| 12:21.56 | ALVAN | i copy the /var/* for this as i could not log in with the real pass |
| 12:21.59 | |DuReX| | i'm using a lvm, all hdd's in ATA/100 or SATA hdd's :s so i dunno |
| 12:22.12 | lunk | how much bandwidth is being received? |
| 12:22.19 | |DuReX| | 5mb/sec |
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| 12:23.15 | ALVAN | geo-rge, if i boot using a live cd and copy the all the data on the / partition everything is ok |
| 12:23.23 | ALVAN | but i want to mount the others |
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| 12:23.45 | geo-rge | why have a chroot? |
| 12:24.35 | lunk | ALVAN: you must mount the others, by manually creating the directories in /, then unzipping, so the unzipped files flow into their correct partition |
| 12:25.06 | ALVAN | lunk, there are there in the initrd.gz image |
| 12:25.09 | ALVAN | and in / |
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| 12:25.27 | ALVAN | lunk dmraid makes special devices in /dev/mapper/fakeraid |
| 12:25.35 | ALVAN | is used mostly to boot fakeraid |
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| 12:26.10 | ALVAN | those i want to mount /dev/mapper/fakeraid2 , /dev/mapper/fakeraid3 ...etc |
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| 12:26.30 | |DuReX| | lunk: i should get faster speeds no ? :s and surely not such high loads :s |
| 12:27.10 | ALVAN | |DuReX|, is 5mb/s or 5MB/s ? |
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| 12:27.23 | |DuReX| | megaBYTE :) |
| 12:27.28 | themill | millibit ;) |
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| 12:28.27 | ALVAN | |DuReX|, i fro example enter on a dc++ hub and people get from me with 10MB adn i dont ahve loads at all maxim is 1 sometimes 2 |
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| 12:28.53 | |DuReX| | i know the loads are NOT normal |
| 12:29.00 | |DuReX| | thats why i'm here :) to get it fixxed |
| 12:29.07 | |DuReX| | cause i dunno what causes that high load :s |
| 12:29.11 | ftl | how do deinstall a apt pack like apache2, inclusive all configs etc |
| 12:29.16 | ALVAN | |DuReX|, well type top |
| 12:29.22 | ALVAN | and see who makes load |
| 12:29.31 | |DuReX| | the ftpd |
| 12:29.35 | themill | ftl: apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
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| 12:30.05 | ALVAN | dmesg | less are having drive errors ? |
| 12:30.13 | |DuReX| | no |
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| 12:31.25 | ALVAN | |DuReX|, get 89.34.187.225/memusage.tar.bz2 from me |
| 12:31.48 | ALVAN | there is cpuusage and ps_mem.py for memory usage |
| 12:31.55 | ALVAN | the first shows only cpuusage |
| 12:32.02 | ALVAN | second only ram usage |
| 12:32.41 | ALVAN | |DuReX|, maybe you are out of ram and the cpu is cloaking into the swap :) |
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| 12:33.06 | adrakoa | hi |
| 12:33.50 | dhe-` | When "df -h" says that 24GB are full on /, but a "du -h --max-depth=1 -c /" does only find 4GB of Data, what could that be? |
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| 12:34.26 | |DuReX| | dhe-`: why max-depth 1 ? :p |
| 12:34.31 | ALVAN | dhe-`, your ext3 partition takes 5% |
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| 12:34.44 | masus | i have two internet connections eth0 and eth2 , eth1 is localnet How to route the 80. port what goes thrue the first gateway eth0 --> to the second gateway on eth2 |
| 12:34.45 | themill | dhe-`: I'll take a wild stab that you have more than one-level dirs on / ... |
| 12:34.49 | masus | thanks to all |
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| 12:35.15 | ALVAN | dhe-`, try to do tune2fs -m 0 /dev/partition |
| 12:35.23 | ALVAN | and see after with df -h |
| 12:36.09 | ALVAN | dhe-`, thats if your partition is ext3 or ext2 |
| 12:36.23 | dhe-` | df -h shows me that 24GB are full with data, but "du" does only find 4GB. The 5% of the ext3 filesystem are irrelevant |
| 12:36.30 | infinity0 | is ReiserFS OK to use for the /boot partition? |
| 12:36.41 | ALVAN | infinity0, yes it is |
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| 12:37.05 | themill | dhe-`: could you please pastebin the output of these two commands: mount ; ls -l / |
| 12:37.15 | infinity0 | and what's the different between reiserFS and ext3... they suited for particular jobs or what? |
| 12:37.35 | Christoph_vW | we have a debian server with etch here (/etc/debian_version: 4.0), but the sources.list is configured for sarge. is there a way to correct that sources.list file? |
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| 12:38.03 | ALVAN | infinity0, not quite is if you like it to be reiserfs or ext3 |
| 12:38.12 | azeem | Christoph_vW: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 12:38.14 | infinity0 | so basically personal preference? |
| 12:38.42 | ALVAN | reiserfs is fast but it does not handle sometiems file systems recovery in case of crash |
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| 12:38.59 | ALVAN | ext3 has more tool to check this but is a little slower |
| 12:39.01 | asd3 | any fast way to rename all the files that has a ":" to another that doesn't have? |
| 12:39.02 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 12:39.06 | infinity0 | thanks :) |
| 12:39.08 | ALVAN | i think both are stable types |
| 12:39.30 | simonrvn | reiser isn't stable ;) |
| 12:39.32 | JeremyK | asd3: take a look at find |
| 12:39.35 | infinity0 | does reiser4 solve that crash problem? |
| 12:39.40 | troubled | simonrvn: mornin |
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| 12:39.46 | infinity0 | simonrvn: is that sarcasm cos i'm trying to install a system here... :/ |
| 12:39.47 | Christoph_vW | oh my... the server connection died. |
| 12:40.01 | ALVAN | asd3, see #bash and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ |
| 12:40.04 | Christoph_vW | I'll tell you as soon it's back working :) |
| 12:40.11 | ALVAN | there is a faq there |
| 12:40.19 | simonrvn | infinity0: no, i'd recommend ext3 or jfs |
| 12:40.22 | troubled | simonrvn: whatever you do, _don't_ look in the other channel </evil grin> |
| 12:40.24 | infinity0 | right ok |
| 12:40.27 | ALVAN | simonrvn, it is :) |
| 12:40.28 | infinity0 | ext3 it is then |
| 12:40.28 | chanakya | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.30 | JeremyK | find . -name '*:*' -exec mv {} `echo {} | sed -e 's/://g'` \; |
| 12:40.35 | JeremyK | something kinda like that |
| 12:40.48 | ALVAN | i had more problems with ext3 then reiserfs |
| 12:40.48 | JeremyK | note that hasn't been tested, so try it out in a scratch dir first |
| 12:40.55 | ALVAN | but both are stable |
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| 12:41.16 | simonrvn | troubled: g'morning |
| 12:41.19 | infinity0 | so basically the answer is "depends on who you ask" bah |
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| 12:41.26 | themill | asd3: man rename |
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| 12:41.42 | simonrvn | infinity0: there are some pretty serious issues with reiserfs' stability |
| 12:41.57 | infinity0 | i read some stuff on that corrupt fdisk thing |
| 12:42.03 | ALVAN | simonrvn, maybe in reiserfs4 but not 3 |
| 12:42.05 | infinity0 | but it's not part of normal operation apparently, meh |
| 12:42.13 | simonrvn | sure it's fast, but it sacrifices stability for that speed |
| 12:42.32 | ALVAN | simonrvn, there are pathces also for the new kernel if you use reiserfs4 |
| 12:42.37 | JeremyK | i've had weird filesystem corruption issues with reiser3 |
| 12:42.45 | simonrvn | i don't care, tbh |
| 12:42.46 | dhe-` | themill and rest: here is my "du" and "df" problem: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/4131 |
| 12:42.46 | infinity0 | anyways i'm still trying to figure out how to use the bloody debian-installer to set up a manual encrypted LVM |
| 12:42.51 | JeremyK | i have several directories i can't get rid of because they simply don't exist. |
| 12:42.54 | JeremyK | but they do. |
| 12:42.56 | themill | dhe-`: are you still looking for an answer? |
| 12:43.01 | dondelelcaro | JeremyK: eh? |
| 12:43.12 | dhe-` | themill: yes |
| 12:43.15 | dondelelcaro | JeremyK: in what way do they exist but not exist? |
| 12:43.20 | simonrvn | anyway, i have a demo to go to ;) |
| 12:43.28 | troubled | infinity0: you already made the lvm/crypto? |
| 12:43.33 | infinity0 | i don't know how to lol |
| 12:43.34 | dhe-` | themill: because the answers yet was crap |
| 12:43.42 | infinity0 | i tried setting up the rest of free space as lvm/crypto |
| 12:43.47 | infinity0 | but then i can't split it up futher :| |
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| 12:44.04 | troubled | infinity0: ah ok, its all in the menus for you then. i thought you maybe had the device already crypted and lvm'd to your liking or something |
| 12:44.13 | JeremyK | dondelelcaro: one sec |
| 12:44.14 | infinity0 | i tried doing it guided and then edit, but you can't apparently |
| 12:44.32 | troubled | infinity0: i would say go the manual way for that kind of a setup personally |
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| 12:44.44 | infinity0 | troubled: do i set up one huge lvm/crypto partition then split it up, or set up multiple lvm/crypto? |
| 12:45.21 | themill | dhe-`: sorry -- our last two lines crossed -- I was lagged for a bi |
| 12:45.46 | Christoph_vW | dhe-`, you can tell du not to cross filesystem borders with -x |
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| 12:45.53 | Christoph_vW | then you should not need to exlude /var/www |
| 12:45.56 | Christoph_vW | +c |
| 12:46.02 | JeremyK | dondelelcaro: http://rafb.net/p/QeymE354.html |
| 12:46.22 | dhe-` | Christoph_vW: yes i know and i did it befoire the use of "--exclude" but doesnt make a effect so i pasted this one |
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| 12:46.42 | troubled | infinity0: personally i would say setup a small /boot, and a large lvm with the rest of the space. then make a ~2gig /root volume, /usr, /var etc and a swap space. just make the lvm crypted |
| 12:46.51 | cast | woops, was running usb fat32 in async and forgot to `sync` |
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| 12:47.04 | Christoph_vW | k |
| 12:47.11 | infinity0 | troubled: right, i tried doing that, but i dunno how to configure the large lvm/crypto afterwards... |
| 12:48.00 | troubled | infinity0: was there not a automated lvm+crypto option? |
| 12:48.09 | infinity0 | yeah there's a guided crypto |
| 12:48.25 | troubled | i would have to start an install to see what options to pick for sure though |
| 12:48.29 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 12:48.37 | Trewas | dhe-`: if a file is removed but is still open by some program the space is not freed until the file is closed, that can explain difference between df and du... but you would need 20GB of such deleted-but-sitll-open files to explain that difference |
| 12:48.50 | infinity0 | i'll have a mess around with this but every time i try to create a new lvm it has to re-erase the disk using random data and that takes ages |
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| 12:49.04 | dhe-` | Trewas nice idea |
| 12:49.10 | dhe-` | i will try that one |
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| 12:49.30 | troubled | infinity0: you should end up with a non encrypted /boot mount and the rest lvm. and that lvm will be split with one being swap and one being everything else (or multiple mounts) depending on how you pick the options |
| 12:49.56 | dondelelcaro | JeremyK: umount that drive and fsck it. |
| 12:50.07 | infinity0 | yeah |
| 12:50.09 | cast | good idea to encrypt /var too :) |
| 12:50.12 | JeremyK | dondelelcaro: done, said i'd probably need to rebuild-tree. |
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| 12:50.42 | dondelelcaro | well, then do that. |
| 12:50.53 | cast | on account of a lot of things, but theres locate indexing / and storing the db in /var to mention one reason |
| 12:51.14 | JeremyK | dondelelcaro: yes, and that would probably fix it, but i would likely lose data |
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| 12:51.26 | JeremyK | I'm just saying, I don't feel overly comfortable with reiser anymore |
| 12:51.31 | JeremyK | ext3 is solid. |
| 12:51.44 | dondelelcaro | should have guessed that it was reiser fs. |
| 12:52.06 | JeremyK | dondelelcaro: that's what we were talking about :P |
| 12:52.28 | dondelelcaro | nine times out of ten, when someone comes in here with filesystem problems it's ricerfs. |
| 12:52.37 | JeremyK | yea |
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| 12:53.04 | edistar__ | hey, is there any tool in debian to control the fan speed of the graphics card? |
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| 12:53.21 | ftl | Does anyone know why in /etc/profile I have set a certain value set for $JAVA_HOME |
| 12:53.24 | ftl | as in: |
| 12:53.25 | dhe-` | Trewas: yes exactly this it was |
| 12:53.26 | ftl | export PATH JAVA_HOME="/usr/lib/jdk" |
| 12:53.29 | ftl | export JAVA_HOME |
| 12:53.32 | ftl | does anyone know why this doesn't get set at start? |
| 12:53.43 | dhe-` | Trewas & all others: thank you |
| 12:53.46 | cast | edistar: doubt it, use a pot like a normal person :D |
| 12:54.03 | edistar | cast:? |
| 12:54.03 | themill | dhe-`: good stuff.. that's a damned big file to have kicking around in the background |
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| 12:54.34 | alex^^ | does anyone know any 100mbit flatrate providers in euopre for dedicated servers (non monthly cap) |
| 12:54.37 | themill | ftl: all debian java stuff should work without. What are you trying to run? |
| 12:54.38 | cast | edistar: potentiometer |
| 12:54.48 | edistar | cast: ah |
| 12:54.54 | infinity0 | right, so this is my first time trying to install a gnu/linux system, anyone tell me if the following partition is good? : |
| 12:54.56 | ftl | themill: apache-tomcat |
| 12:55.01 | edistar | cast: kinda hardware mod? |
| 12:55.10 | abrotman | edistar: apt-cache search fan control |
| 12:55.46 | edistar | abrotman: thx |
| 12:55.46 | ftl | themill: apache-tomcat can't run without that variable |
| 12:55.46 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 12:55.46 | infinity0 | 255mb/255mb/40gb/28gb/4gb/7.5gb for /boot,/,/usr,/var,/tmp and swap respectively and 240gb on ext hard drive for /home |
| 12:55.46 | solar_ant | nslookup says |
| 12:55.46 | edistar | infinity0: I would just have one /boot and one / for the rest |
| 12:55.46 | solar_ant | nslookup: parse of /etc/resolv.conf failed |
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| 12:55.50 | infinity0 | meh |
| 12:55.55 | dhe-` | themill: yes it was some access_logs accessed by vhcs. 22gb logfiles are 3 days on that system... |
| 12:55.57 | edistar | infinity0: you plan to always have your external hdd attached? |
| 12:56.06 | solar_ant | and etc/resolv.conf isd valid |
| 12:56.07 | infinity0 | yeah |
| 12:56.07 | solar_ant | nameserver 4.2.2.2 4.3.3.3 208.67.222.222 208.67.220.220 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:56.23 | cast | is having to use logical partitions to be avoided? [i avoid it, not sure why] |
| 12:56.31 | spq | whats better, ati or nvidia? :) |
| 12:56.35 | edistar | spq: nvidia |
| 12:56.37 | themill | dhe-`: ouch. You need to teach that daemon to release the log file properly. Perhaps hup it during logrotate. |
| 12:56.42 | themill | spq: intel |
| 12:56.43 | solar_ant | any idea ? |
| 12:56.49 | spq | edistar, but ati will open their docs :) |
| 12:56.52 | cast | infinity0: keep in mind /root is in /, sometimes i like space there |
| 12:56.53 | ftl | themill: any clue? |
| 12:56.55 | edistar | spq: will take ages |
| 12:56.59 | |DuReX| | alex^^: leaseweb |
| 12:57.00 | |DuReX| | :) |
| 12:57.06 | edistar | spq: at the moment nvidia is easier |
| 12:57.10 | themill | ftl: perhaps check that your alternatives all point to the same java install |
| 12:57.10 | spq | yea, but they will do it before nvidia ^^ |
| 12:57.14 | edistar | nvidia will open docs too once ati does it |
| 12:57.35 | infinity0 | cast: ahh right ok yeah cheers i'll make it bigger :) |
| 12:57.56 | Christoph_vW | christoph@c34:~$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 12:57.56 | Christoph_vW | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:58.07 | azeem | Christoph_vW: ok |
| 12:58.18 | themill | ftl: also look at /usr/share/doc/tomcat5/README.Debian.gz and NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 12:58.23 | azeem | Christoph_vW: in that case, just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace sarge with etch |
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| 12:58.46 | azeem | Christoph_vW: then, run "apt-get update && apt-get ugprade" AND CHECK WHETHER ANYTHING GETS UPGRADED |
| 12:58.53 | azeem | if so, abort, an analyze the situation |
| 12:59.07 | ftl | themill: is there any way I can set this command to be scheduled at the startup of this debian system? |
| 12:59.10 | azeem | of course, it's upgrade, not ugprade |
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| 12:59.41 | themill | ftl: if needed you could put it in the tomcat init.d file. But that shouldn't be needed. |
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| 13:00.09 | themill | ftl: config of the startup script should be put into /etc/default/tomcat5 |
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| 13:00.37 | ftl | yes, but now tomcat isn't even automatically starting as a service? |
| 13:00.41 | Christoph_vW | k, thanks |
| 13:00.42 | ftl | Any clue how I can arrange that |
| 13:00.53 | aethus | how would one write a shell command saying "remove all files with extension.jpg except mypicture.jpg" ? |
| 13:01.01 | themill | ftl: then also look in /etc/default/tomcat5 |
| 13:01.31 | ftl | themill: /etc/default/tomcat doesnt exist |
| 13:01.48 | themill | ftl: what version of tomcat are you using? |
| 13:02.13 | themill | ftl: apt-cache policy tomcat5 |
| 13:02.14 | cast | aethus: well, to rm any file but mypicture.jpg you could use shopt -s extglob; rm !(mypicture.jpg) |
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| 13:03.07 | ftl | themill: yea, but get this:http://pastebin.ca/685540 |
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| 13:03.32 | themill | ftl: so where did this tomcat come from? |
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| 13:04.22 | ftl | from the site itself |
| 13:04.31 | ftl | core-distribution |
| 13:04.43 | ftl | http://apache.hippo.nl/tomcat/tomcat-5/v5.5.23/bin/apache-tomcat-5.5.23.tar.gz |
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| 13:04.57 | themill | !lart ftl |
| 13:05.21 | themill | ftl: you do know why debian has developers and they spend lots of time getting releases to work, don't you? |
| 13:05.35 | themill | ftl: it's not just because they're compiling stuff.... |
| 13:05.38 | wols | themill: so we can bitch about what they did of course |
| 13:05.47 | wols | don'Ãt you know anything? |
| 13:05.49 | themill | wols: now now.... |
| 13:06.33 | wols | themill: I've seen complaints about tomcat under debian before |
| 13:06.44 | ftl | ftl: yea i understand what your trying to say |
| 13:06.50 | ftl | but i wanted to follow some howto |
| 13:06.51 | themill | ftl: tomcat5 and tomcat5.5 are in etch. Feel free to get rid of your other stray and use those ones. They will just work. And if they don't that's a bug in the packaging that we'll help you with. |
| 13:07.39 | ftl | ok brb |
| 13:07.44 | themill | ftl: the upstream source should also work too, but you're going to have to work at it. e.g you'll probably need to write an init script for it and set JAVA_HOME in that ;) |
| 13:07.59 | themill | bah! |
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| 13:08.11 | simonrvn | i hate that too |
| 13:08.29 | azeem | dpkg: initrd modules is zcat /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` | cpio -t | grep ko$; |
| 13:08.29 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 13:08.47 | themill | azeem: you're a sick bastard... |
| 13:08.58 | azeem | it's handy to know for debugging |
| 13:09.05 | azeem | or when en1gma comes around next time |
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| 13:09.22 | ftl | themill: http://www.pastebin.ca/685549 |
| 13:09.22 | abrotman | in 10 minutes ? |
| 13:09.34 | themill | actually, i was thinking that rm -rf / and fdisk were the two commands that he needed. |
| 13:09.46 | simonrvn | that twit was here earlier. acting like a cluebie again |
| 13:09.55 | abrotman | simonrvn: did he accuse you of trolling? :) |
| 13:10.07 | themill | probably should take this off-channel, gentlemen |
| 13:10.09 | azeem | it's important that he doesn't srew up other people |
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| 13:10.19 | azeem | we can't do much about him asking questions |
| 13:10.24 | themill | ftl: is this from the debian package? |
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| 13:10.37 | simonrvn | no. azeem: yeh, i was trying to di that, but it was probably too late :/ |
| 13:10.51 | abrotman | azeem: we can't .. you can :) |
| 13:10.56 | ftl | themill: yes |
| 13:10.58 | simonrvn | that 'no' is in reply to your q. abrotman |
| 13:11.03 | azeem | he told somebody to set /etc/network/interfaces +x and execute it yesterday |
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| 13:11.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:11.18 | simonrvn | i know, i saw that in scrollback.... like WTF! |
| 13:11.34 | fireba11 | can someone check if the etch tomcat config got some oinfo on how to set up verisign ssl-certs for it ? i need it to deliver a 2nd certificate as well to have the chain of trust completed ... tomcat documentation says nothing about it, and though i'm on etch i'm using a pre-configured tomcat from a package that doesn't ahve any hints on how to do that |
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| 13:12.08 | cast | anyone know if this is relevent to partman's crypto in the d-i: '[DSA 1356-1] CVE-2007-2453 A couple of issues with random number generation were discovered. Slightly less random numbers resulted from hashing a subset of the available entropy. zero-entropy systems were seeded with the same inputs at boot time, resulting in repeatable series of random numbers." |
| 13:12.13 | simonrvn | that's more an ssl thing than tomcat |
| 13:12.24 | themill | ftl: ok, if you do what it says, then all should work ;) |
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| 13:12.46 | ftl | did, brb |
| 13:13.00 | simonrvn | cast: seems like a urandom init script thing maybe (?) |
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| 13:14.02 | cast | i guess i should go find out how partman solves the 'i just booted off a livecd and there's not much entropy in the pool' problem, if it is a problem |
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| 13:14.24 | kgoetz | i just got a message from d-i saying theres no valid swap partition - could this be becuse i have two swap partitions on seperate drives? |
| 13:14.40 | abrotman | that shouhld be fin |
| 13:14.41 | abrotman | fine |
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| 13:15.45 | ftl | themill: How can I automatically get tomcat start at startup? |
| 13:15.51 | abrotman | kgoetz: did it actually create them? |
| 13:16.07 | cast | lol @ joining and asking themill immediately |
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| 13:16.24 | azeem | ftl: don't ask people, ask the channel |
| 13:16.24 | themill | cast: lucky me ;) |
| 13:16.48 | kgoetz | abrotman: i dont know, i just asumed it did because it was told to |
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| 13:16.52 | themill | cast, azeem: it's all right -- i've been helping ftl with tomcat for a bit now. |
| 13:16.56 | azeem | I saw |
| 13:17.09 | themill | cast, azeem: not that I've ever used it before myself (how does this always happen?) |
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| 13:17.15 | azeem | I still think we should protect regulars from being directly asked |
| 13:17.34 | abrotman | doesn't the tomcat initscript start it ? |
| 13:17.45 | themill | ftl: the init script should be in your /etc/init.d and linked into rc2.d and should do it automatically. |
| 13:18.02 | abrotman | hrm .. someone was saying the other day that it wsa running as the tomcat user and trying to bind to <1024 ? i think ? |
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| 13:18.09 | themill | ftl: at most there should be a START=no or something in /etc/default/tomcat5 preventing it from starting automatically. |
| 13:18.27 | ftl | themill: ok |
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| 13:20.46 | themill | Is the kvm module known to cause suspend-to-disk problems in 2.6.21? |
| 13:20.49 | kgoetz | abrotman: i've rebooted into teh system and both swaps are mounted |
| 13:20.57 | abrotman | kgoetz: so this is good ? |
| 13:21.10 | h1st0 | Have a question with auto complete i'm installing a new system and I'm used to being able to apt-get install irs<tab> and it should auto complete the si; however its not. Anyone have a clue why? |
| 13:21.23 | petemc | h1st0: source /etc/bash_completion |
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| 13:21.44 | kgoetz | abrotman: in as much as theres swap yes, in as much as d-i failed on a step mysteriously no |
| 13:21.59 | DGnome | hi, http://packages.debian.org/etch/cacti tells me that cacti can do with just about any httpd and php4 or php5, how can I prevent installing of cacti to replace php5 with php4 and apache2 with apache? |
| 13:22.20 | abrotman | kgoetz: well .. now you can be happy and continue :) |
| 13:22.37 | kgoetz | abrotman: well... ok |
| 13:22.50 | abrotman | DGnome: satisfy it's deps before installation (or all on the same line) |
| 13:23.00 | abrotman | kgoetz: this was for the etch installer ? |
| 13:23.16 | DGnome | abrotman: okay, thanx :) |
| 13:23.25 | kgoetz | abrotman: yes. netinstall if its relevent |
| 13:23.29 | ftl | themill: how can I link it? |
| 13:23.38 | ftl | themill: it isn't done already with the installation |
| 13:24.03 | h1st0 | petemc: I have no idea what i'm looking at there. I'm not real good with scripts |
| 13:24.09 | abrotman | kgoetz: i'd imagine you're not the first .. you could submit an installation report .. not sure what good it would do now though |
| 13:24.16 | petemc | h1st0: run that command |
| 13:24.27 | themill | ftl: I'd be really surprised at that.... ls -l1 /etc/rc2.d | grep tomcat |
| 13:24.47 | h1st0 | petemc: ahhh I thought you were telling me the problem with that file. lol |
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| 13:25.12 | kgoetz | abrotman: i'll let it slide. this is a desktop/buildd, so hibernation isnt a big thing |
| 13:25.17 | Siddharta | hello everybody |
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| 13:25.19 | kgoetz | thanks for helping :) |
| 13:26.16 | ftl | themill: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-09-07 11:08 S20tomcat5 -> ../init.d/tomcat5 |
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| 13:26.26 | ftl | themill: but it doesnt start automatic at startup |
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| 13:26.31 | fireba11 | simonrvn : not exactly .. apache docs for example cover that point exactly .. was done in 3 minutes . with tomcat i don#t find what settings i need |
| 13:26.34 | themill | ftl: yep... that means it's already there. |
| 13:26.43 | VulcanRidr | I'm having problems with an etch install that I upgraded to sid. I used cryptfs (LUKS) from the installer, but upgrading the kernels doesn't work, because the initrd says "Circular dependancy..." and kicks me to a prompt. |
| 13:26.57 | Siddharta | i have a problem when i boot my laptop in a no connection state, on boot up process , ikeep waiting a very long times (more than 2 minutes) at a 'Starting MTA: eth1 : no IPV6 routers present' |
| 13:26.57 | ftl | themill: so how come tomcat doesnt start at startup |
| 13:27.01 | Siddharta | it is very annoying |
| 13:27.10 | Siddharta | does someone have an idea |
| 13:27.12 | Xteven | hi |
| 13:27.18 | themill | ftl: what's in /etc/default/tomcat5? |
| 13:27.21 | Xteven | where can I find out what /etc/network/if-up.d is for ? |
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| 13:27.26 | petemc | Siddharta: install ifplugd |
| 13:27.42 | Siddharta | ok |
| 13:27.43 | azeem | or network-manager |
| 13:27.57 | petemc | probably better for a laptop alright.. |
| 13:28.02 | Siddharta | network-manager is installed |
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| 13:28.16 | azeem | Siddharta: then remove that interface from /e/n/i to let n-m take it over |
| 13:28.25 | VulcanRidr | Siddharta: Make sure your hostname is in your /etc/hosts. |
| 13:28.27 | azeem | well, maybe just comment it out for starters to test |
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| 13:28.45 | fireba11 | Xteven: you throw script chunks in there that get executed when the network goes up |
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| 13:29.14 | VulcanRidr | Is anyone using lvm over encryption? |
| 13:29.22 | Xteven | fireba11: yes, but does it pass some parameters to each script ? like for example interfacename of the interface being brought up ? |
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| 13:30.23 | Siddharta | can we force a mtu in network-manager ? |
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| 13:31.18 | themill | ftl: what output do you get from invoke-rc.d tomcat5 start |
| 13:31.35 | Xteven | fireba11: ah nvm, I found it in man interfaces |
| 13:31.38 | liable | the driver decides mtu |
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| 13:32.11 | themill | liable: there are some crappy POS routers out there that need you to reduce the mtu to get the connection to work :( |
| 13:32.37 | Siddharta | liable: well but i have to force it to a value or else some web site don't display |
| 13:33.04 | Siddharta | themill: exactly |
| 13:33.13 | danf_1979 | I have a _big_ problem with pysqlite2.dbapi2.Row object. It is not a sequence on debian etch (pysqlite2 2.3.2) I cant use dict(values) or dict(zip(fields,values)) with it. It is not a sequence. Exception is TypeError: iteration over a none sequence. It works both ways in debian lenny though, but is there any way on make it work on etch? |
| 13:33.17 | liable | themill: indeed, the driver gets its feedback from whatvever router along the route that decides the lowest mtu |
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| 13:33.47 | danf_1979 | oops, wrong channel, sorry |
| 13:33.55 | Siddharta | it is very strange i can not lauch kdenetworkmanager |
| 13:34.12 | Siddharta | no error , just nothing display |
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| 13:34.46 | wols | Siddharta: is this for a ethernet NIC or WLAN? |
| 13:34.48 | cryptos | hello |
| 13:34.52 | cryptos | i want to find a mode to increase/decrease backlight from shell, without to use Fn+Left/Right on an Acer Aspire 5502Wxmi....anybody can help me? |
| 13:35.08 | themill | liable: I've had problems with that not working though and I ended up forcing it through /e/n/i or from the command line. |
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| 13:35.22 | Siddharta | well this is for a laptop |
| 13:35.33 | Siddharta | 2 interfaces, 1 wireless, 1 wired |
| 13:35.56 | themill | Siddharta: I think the ifup.d scripts are still run with networkmanager, so you could change the mtu in there. |
| 13:36.16 | Siddharta | ok |
| 13:36.25 | azeem | themill: are you sure? |
| 13:36.45 | themill | azeem: no. that's why I said I think ;) |
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| 13:37.07 | |DuReX| | lunk: 25.8%si |
| 13:37.13 | |DuReX| | bit high si value not :s |
| 13:37.22 | |DuReX| | 1 user uploading @ 8mb/sec |
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| 13:38.04 | wols | !acrobat |
| 13:38.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, acrobat is at http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/ |
| 13:38.15 | themill | azeem: almost sure that they are run... ntp, resolvconf and avahi stuff happens so unless they are somewhere else that nm find them as well as /e/n/if-up.d ... |
| 13:39.35 | acemo | yesterday i installed nvidia drivers.. today when i booted the computer, im getting the error Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 13:39.49 | azeem | acemo: did you upgrade your kernel? |
| 13:40.01 | acemo | no |
| 13:40.43 | acemo | when i run modprobe nvidia, it seems to work, then startx and same error |
| 13:41.11 | fastputty | what would be a recommend system for a squid,squidguard proxy, iptables firewall, and VPN server |
| 13:41.17 | fastputty | do i ned a big server for this? |
| 13:41.21 | fastputty | i got arround 500 users |
| 13:41.21 | wols | acemo: lsmod|grep nvidia. and what is the error? |
| 13:41.55 | wols | fastputty: the interweb connection is the important thing and the expensive one. |
| 13:42.08 | fastputty | interweb ? |
| 13:42.09 | wols | compared to 500 users, the server for those is peanuts |
| 13:42.24 | fastputty | so it would work on a pentium 1 233 mhz? lol |
| 13:42.31 | acemo | wols: returns nvidia 3927180 0 |
| 13:42.31 | acemo | agpgart 29360 2 nvidia,sis_agp |
| 13:42.42 | acemo | wols: the error is Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
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| 13:43.05 | fastputty | wols: so it would enough for a p-1 233 mhz with 256 ram? |
| 13:43.15 | wols | acemo: the nvidia-drv exists? the glx too? |
| 13:43.30 | wols | fastputty: what network connection? |
| 13:43.43 | ezguy | hi, any suggestions on how to measure/test the kernel.pid_max usage value? |
| 13:43.56 | acemo | wols: how i check that? |
| 13:43.58 | wols | fastputty: and: not really. the VPN and squid needs a bit more. so 1-2 GHz |
| 13:43.59 | fastputty | wols: 25 mbit line |
| 13:44.13 | wols | acemo: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
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| 13:44.20 | fastputty | wols: well i am asking what would be the recommend machin spec for this |
| 13:44.24 | wols | fastputty: too slow |
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| 13:44.41 | Enigma | I have / mounted as XFS and deleted a 26G large file, but I have no more free disk space according to df. What can be wrong? :( |
| 13:44.41 | fastputty | it shoudl not slow, i am using only terminal server |
| 13:44.48 | fastputty | we do not go on the net erally |
| 13:44.52 | wols | fastputty: I'd use a low end core2duo or other dualcore |
| 13:45.18 | wols | fastputty: vpn needs to encrypt and decrypt while squid has lots of disk access and minro cpu |
| 13:45.38 | fastputty | i have no money haha give me :D |
| 13:45.44 | wols | and if you don't go to the net, you can save lots of money by only using a 1Mbit or lower connection |
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| 13:45.54 | wols | fastputty: you have a 25Mbit line |
| 13:45.54 | fastputty | well i already have 25mbit |
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| 13:46.01 | acemo | wols: theres nvidia-glx-legaxy, nvidia-kernel-common, nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.18-5-486 |
| 13:46.03 | wols | that not "no money" |
| 13:46.04 | fastputty | i need more theserver spec |
| 13:46.12 | wols | fastputty: I told you |
| 13:46.19 | acemo | wols: and nvidia-kernel-legacy-source |
| 13:46.21 | fastputty | core 2 duo is kinda over powered |
| 13:46.33 | cast | Enigma: could be a sparse file. i also noticed on ZFS a bit of lag in zpool free space reporting |
| 13:46.46 | wols | fastputty: so suddenly you know what's enough and what not. good to know, but why do you ask me then? |
| 13:46.53 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know how to allow the users to change their passwords using LDAP? |
| 13:47.03 | wols | Enigma: the file might be in use still by some process |
| 13:47.05 | azeem | Enigma: or one of your apps still has it open |
| 13:47.08 | fastputty | just to make sure tat why lol |
| 13:47.24 | wols | Enigma: it will be automatically deleted as soon as this app closes it and space will be freed |
| 13:47.26 | fastputty | well a pentium 4 hyper thred with 2gb ram shoudl be enough if i am not wrong |
| 13:47.34 | fastputty | because i am pretty sure core 2 duo is kinda to overpowered |
| 13:47.40 | Enigma | wols: ;) ah ok |
| 13:47.47 | fastputty | i wanna know the most optimising system for the most ptimising cash :p |
| 13:47.55 | wols | fastputty: 2GB is definitely overkill. a low dualcore would be better than a fast P4 |
| 13:48.02 | Enigma | wolz: solved it :) |
| 13:48.04 | Gathond | fastputty: well iirc a pentium 4 will cost you about 2x in power usage over a core2 duo |
| 13:48.09 | Enigma | strange anyway |
| 13:48.16 | wols | fastputty: and a C2D costs 75EUR, so it's not expensive |
| 13:48.16 | Gathond | fastputty: so the overpowered thing might save you in the long run |
| 13:48.29 | fastputty | humm ok :o |
| 13:48.38 | fastputty | what cpu for the core 2 duo? |
| 13:48.45 | fastputty | 1.6? 2.0? 2.2? |
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| 13:49.28 | laser_tk | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.59 | fastputty | well i got aleady few pentium 4 2.4 |
| 13:50.03 | fastputty | so i am not sure if it enough |
| 13:50.21 | fastputty | i dont wanna really spend more money but i wanna make sure because i build up this machin |
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| 13:50.27 | fastputty | for the squid,vpn, firewall |
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| 13:51.04 | fastputty | before* |
| 13:51.06 | wols | fastputty: the 2.4 should be OK. main CPU usage will be the VPN of course |
| 13:51.21 | wols | neither squid nor firewall really usues any serious CPU |
| 13:51.31 | fastputty | for 500 user? |
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| 13:51.41 | wols | fastputty: all 500 using the VPN? |
| 13:51.47 | fastputty | nah |
| 13:51.51 | wols | exactly |
| 13:51.52 | fastputty | only 4 VPN site to site |
| 13:52.01 | fastputty | but there about 100 user on each site |
| 13:52.03 | section31 | if i have an apersand in my password, how would i go about escaping it when i use it as such. wget ftp://user:password@hostname.com/ |
| 13:52.09 | section31 | ampersand* |
| 13:52.21 | acemo | how would i install nvidia-drv and glx? |
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| 13:52.32 | wols | fastputty: why don't you jsut try? can't be worse tjhan not working and you have a better estimate what you need then? |
| 13:52.36 | wsdo_okadr | is there any readline short tutorial ? |
| 13:52.42 | wols | the software config is exactly the same, if P4 or c2d |
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| 13:52.57 | wols | acemo: aptitude |
| 13:53.12 | fastputty | dont wanna screw it up if it not enough strong and fiannly i have to rebuilt it back |
| 13:53.26 | fastputty | so i wanna share my point of view here and get some comments |
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| 13:53.30 | wsdo_okadr | anybody here uses readline ? |
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| 13:53.59 | wols | fastputty: you can remove the disk from the P4 server and put it into the C2D without changing a thing... so no "rebuilt" (sic) |
| 13:54.01 | fastputty | in case someone here has the same server spec as me |
| 13:54.14 | acemo | wols: coulnt find any package whose name or description matched "nvidia-drv" |
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| 13:54.18 | fastputty | it will works? |
| 13:54.30 | fastputty | debian wont have hardware error? |
| 13:54.35 | wols | fastputty: you didn't even tell what your "spec" is right now. since cpu usage is mainy vpn dependent |
| 13:54.48 | wols | no debian won't have hardware error. debian is not windows |
| 13:54.56 | fastputty | lolz :D |
| 13:55.01 | wsdo_okadr | section31: maybe you use %hexa stuff ?! |
| 13:55.05 | wols | P4 and C2D are both i686 |
| 13:55.32 | fastputty | ok thaks you for your advices |
| 13:56.30 | techbie | section31: you can use single quotes |
| 13:56.42 | section31 | techbie, single quotes where |
| 13:57.07 | section31 | anytime you have an ampersand in the password it will get confused that after the ampersand comes a hostname |
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| 13:57.21 | sorl_ | isnt 1&2>/dev/null valid? |
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| 13:57.40 | techbie | section31:put ampersand in single quote |
| 13:58.22 | ezguy | hi, what can i do to all the system to run more jobs? |
| 13:58.27 | sorl_ | 1'&'2>/dev/null? |
| 13:58.37 | ezguy | are there settings somewhere i can change ? |
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| 13:59.15 | cryptos | i want to find a mode to increase/decrease backlight from shell, without to use Fn+Left/Right on an Acer Aspire 5502Wxmi....anybody can help me? |
| 13:59.20 | section31 | techbie, doesn't work |
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| 13:59.59 | acemo | wols: anything more i can try? |
| 14:00.07 | L0cKn | xD |
| 14:00.27 | cydork | section31: use hex code as wsdo_okadr said. |
| 14:00.27 | _biophunk | . |
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| 14:02.37 | section31 | cydork, i'm googling hexcodes can't find anything |
| 14:03.06 | cydork | section31: use %26 instead of & |
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| 14:03.49 | section31 | oops i'm an idiot, i didn't mean ampersand i meant @ sign lol |
| 14:03.59 | ma3x | why does it take so much time for my wlan to lookup hotsnames? when im in windows, it's immediate |
| 14:04.04 | Siddharta | i didn't find how to solve my MTA problem yet but i really thank you for your advice |
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| 14:04.40 | cydork | section31: use %40 then |
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| 14:04.54 | Siddharta | i have to connect by vpn to a customer , so my connection will be disconnected from internet , so i wish you a good day |
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| 14:05.04 | section31 | cydork, works thanks |
| 14:05.30 | maxamillion | ma3x: could have to do with a multitude of things .... maybe your /etc/network/interfaces needs editing, possibly your /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/resolv.conf.custom needs editing |
| 14:05.46 | hatter | what is happening when gdm is at the login screen waiting for user logon ? an X server is being run, but i cant seem to connect to it |
| 14:06.00 | ma3x | maxamillion, there is no /etc/resolv.conf.custom |
| 14:06.05 | maxamillion | ma3x: those are just the first two candidates i could think of that might make things go slow ... another issue could be in /etc/host.conf |
| 14:06.22 | ma3x | it says multi on |
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| 14:06.25 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 14:06.34 | maxamillion | ma3x: yeah, you have to make that one yourself .... its just a custom file that is read by the daemon that isn't edited by the autoscripts |
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| 14:06.56 | maxamillion | ma3x: things that end in .custom are used for custom config and aren't touched by auto scripts |
| 14:06.58 | ma3x | maxamillion, /etc/resolv.conf is fine |
| 14:07.11 | maxamillion | ma3x: how about /etc/host.conf ? |
| 14:07.37 | ma3x | maxamillion, it contains this: multi on |
| 14:07.39 | ma3x | i dont know what that is |
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| 14:09.04 | maxamillion | ma3x: honestly, i don't either :( |
| 14:09.19 | maxamillion | ma3x: mine does too and mine works fine |
| 14:09.24 | maxamillion | ma3x: so i don't think that is it |
| 14:11.11 | ma3x | it's not even /etc/resolv.conf i tried with different nameservers |
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| 14:13.53 | maxamillion | ma3x: hmmm... did you try making /etc/resolv.conf.custom and putting the nameserver in there |
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| 14:14.19 | ma3x | maxamillion, what's the difference between that and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:14.25 | ma3x | I did chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:14.30 | ma3x | so dhcp won't change it |
| 14:14.35 | maxamillion | ma3x: oh ok |
| 14:14.35 | milestone | hi all. I have installed me a snmpd on my mailserver. no i want to extend the snmpd to run a script i have written, which counts the logins of pop3 and imap within the last 300 seconds. and prints them to stdout. The script runs nicely on the command line, but i am getting a timeout while gathering data via xnmp. The script takes ~5 secs to complete is that too long? |
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| 14:14.57 | maxamillion | ma3x: i just do .custom because i don't know if the daemon will complain about not being able to edit the file or not |
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| 14:19.06 | radone | I have added disk and unplugged CD-ROM, rebooted - but in /etc/fstab is the CDROM present and new disc does not exists |
| 14:19.25 | radone | how can I update fstab ? |
| 14:19.30 | petemc | radone: text editor |
| 14:19.41 | themill | radone: fstab reflects your config not reality |
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| 14:20.22 | radone | petemc: you mean manually enter a new disc and delete the cd-rom? |
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| 14:20.31 | petemc | radone: yup |
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| 14:20.37 | radone | thanks |
| 14:20.52 | logd | hi, to change % space reserved to root i've to reformat ? |
| 14:20.56 | petemc | radone: have you partitioned the disk and created file systems? |
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| 14:21.25 | abrotman | logd: man tune2fs |
| 14:21.50 | radone | petemc: yes I have. |
| 14:21.59 | petemc | ok |
| 14:23.04 | hatter | how can i make gdm automatically login ? |
| 14:23.21 | abrotman | it should when you installit |
| 14:23.37 | abrotman | if not .. there should be an S99gdm in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | whihc links to /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 14:23.56 | abrotman | hatter: how did you make it stop loading ? |
| 14:24.02 | abrotman | oh .. damn it! |
| 14:24.05 | themill | abrotman: login not just run |
| 14:24.14 | abrotman | i think that's in gdmsetup |
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| 14:24.40 | themill | !autologin |
| 14:24.41 | dpkg | If you want an insecure box that boots into a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm can if you really want them to. (But do you?) |
| 14:24.41 | hatter | abrotman, what i want is it to automatically log a user in instead of asking |
| 14:24.50 | wols | recently used it myself |
| 14:24.52 | abrotman | gdmsetup! |
| 14:25.25 | hatter | abrotman, ah, but i cant login to the gui to do it |
| 14:25.41 | abrotman | hatter: you could look at the gdm.conf and try to figure it out |
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| 14:26.05 | abrotman | google might be of some help |
| 14:26.19 | cast | there is plenty of google hits for this task |
| 14:26.43 | cast | but then my personalized google results always seem to be better so i get into disagreements about such things :\ |
| 14:26.44 | hatter | i am a little bit confused, if gdm is showing a login screen there is an x server running right ? |
| 14:26.51 | cast | correct. |
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| 14:27.26 | hatter | it refuses me connection to it, i guess i am not logging in as the user gdm is |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | cast: you have a personal google ? |
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| 14:28.12 | hatter | what user would it be if its sitting there waiting for an input ? not a user you would be able to ssh to... |
| 14:28.13 | hatter | ? |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | log in as a regular user |
| 14:28.57 | cast | abrotman: well, personalized results |
| 14:29.16 | hatter | i have 2 pcs next to each other, i am using x2x to shared one k/b, when xfce is running it works, but when the gdm is running i cant connect to it |
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| 14:30.05 | hatter | so i cant actually login yet, i think i should be able to connect to the X though... |
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| 14:30.20 | hatter | * confused |
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| 14:30.48 | hatter | so i am telling xfce to run manually, which is running as root |
| 14:31.10 | abrotman | hatter: what are you actually trying to do ? |
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| 14:32.03 | hatter | i have 2 pc's, one k/b and one mouse, 4 screens. i am sharing the k/b with the 2 X displays. |
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| 14:33.01 | hatter | when the gnome gdm after reboot is there, i cant connect to the x server, but if i login and kill that then run startx it execs xfce and i can connect to it |
| 14:33.33 | hatter | so i am thinking that the user that runs gdm is not letting me ? |
| 14:34.28 | jetscreamer | yes check the login manager settings |
| 14:34.36 | jetscreamer | gdm has an xdmcp setting in there |
| 14:34.48 | alex^^ | where can i manually set my locale settings? the conf isnt working properly...... |
| 14:34.53 | hatter | jetscreamer, and thats in the GUI in gnome ? |
| 14:35.16 | jetscreamer | yes, or you could learn to edit it by hand... gui much easier |
| 14:35.36 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 14:35.53 | jetscreamer | see also dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 14:36.46 | hatter | how do i find out which user is running a process ? |
| 14:36.55 | tarzeau | hatter: ps, top, htop... |
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| 14:37.12 | hatter | tarzeau, yes, command line option ? |
| 14:37.24 | Knight_Lord | How can a user under LDAP change his password? |
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| 14:38.42 | krisp | hey guys - I need to set up a debian box as an email server - and I've found this tutorial - http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ - I was just wondering if anyone could take a quick look at it and let me know if that seems cool ? |
| 14:39.26 | cast | uses !sendmail. check. looks good! |
| 14:39.27 | abrotman | if you want to use a mysql backend and amavis and dovecot |
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| 14:39.48 | tarzeau | hatter: ps -ef | grep processname or username ? |
| 14:40.01 | krisp | this tutorials for postfix and dovecot |
| 14:40.33 | hatter | tarzeau, pergect, thx |
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| 14:40.48 | hatter | gdm runs as root |
| 14:41.02 | hatter | so why doesnt it let me connect to it ? |
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| 14:41.14 | hatter | ah |
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| 14:41.15 | hatter | i see |
| 14:41.20 | hatter | -nolisten |
| 14:41.24 | jetscreamer | root login is disabled by default |
| 14:41.35 | ar_ | Hi, where i can get debian-unstable net-install CD? |
| 14:41.45 | tarzeau | ar_: you shouldn't |
| 14:41.47 | jetscreamer | !d-i |
| 14:41.47 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 14:41.58 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com is better/easier |
| 14:42.23 | ar_ | hmm |
| 14:42.56 | cast | ar_: could just use debootstrap+any livecd |
| 14:42.59 | tarzeau | ar_: install stable, then upgrade to whatever you want |
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| 14:43.42 | hatter | now, anyone know where the line gdm exec's is edited ? |
| 14:43.44 | ar_ | tarzeau> yea, but on "stable" used old kernel :( |
| 14:43.59 | tarzeau | ar_: which doesn't work? |
| 14:44.20 | tarzeau | hatter: uhm, it's started via /etc/init.d ? a link to it from /etc/rc2.d |
| 14:44.39 | tarzeau | hatter: SNNgdm usually, NN is a number between 00..99 |
| 14:44.47 | hatter | tarzeau, yeah, but in there is not the -nolisten switch |
| 14:44.52 | jetscreamer | the default config is under /usr/share/gdm iirc, but it's named default.conf or so.. you don't edit that one but the now-empty /etc/gdm/gdm.conf(if that's what you asked) |
| 14:45.01 | tarzeau | hatter: check gdms config files in /etc/X11/ |
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| 14:46.28 | hatter | jetscreamer, it may be in there, but i expect this i will find this line somewhere : /usr/bin/X :0 -dpi 96 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 14:46.33 | hatter | which i havent seen yet |
| 14:47.05 | jetscreamer | i thinki it's boolean |
| 14:47.24 | hatter | ah, ok, looking looking.... |
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| 14:48.22 | xerophyte | it linux how can i find out hardware spec .. for example model and stuff ? is there any standard command which will give ? because i can not install this production server ? |
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| 14:49.16 | hatter | xerophyte, a few, lspci for h/w stuff |
| 14:49.24 | hatter | xerophyte, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:49.29 | jesseboy12 | does anyone know where the default cgi-bin folder is placed |
| 14:49.36 | hatter | xerophyte, free for ram |
| 14:49.48 | hatter | is that enough ? |
| 14:49.59 | xerophyte | hatter, i need models like dell 1950 and stuff |
| 14:50.09 | hatter | xerophyte, cant help you there |
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| 14:52.13 | jetscreamer | xerophyte: linux.dell.com maybe |
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| 14:52.43 | alex^^ | whenever i try and install base-config it removes locales on etch - this normal? how do i configure my timezone etc? |
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| 14:53.09 | jetscreamer | you don't install base-config iirc |
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| 14:53.33 | jetscreamer | tzconfig, or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata in lenny iirc |
| 14:53.37 | jetscreamer | !base-config |
| 14:53.38 | dpkg | hmm... base-config is something to run to configure your base install and is obsolete in etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/12/msg00259.html for status and see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id302610 for manual setup instructions |
| 14:53.50 | azeem | !+info base-config |
| 14:53.51 | dpkg | Package 'base-config' does not exist. |
| 14:54.01 | azeem | !+info base-config sarge |
| 14:54.03 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:54.05 | dpkg | base-config: (Debian base system configurator), section base, is optional. Version: 2.53.10.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 300 kB, Installed size: 1540 kB |
| 14:54.09 | azeem | !+info base-config etch |
| 14:54.10 | dpkg | Package 'base-config' does not exist. |
| 14:54.12 | Renfield | How do I get firefox to start up my audio player when I click on a play list? |
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| 14:54.25 | azeem | alex^^: there's no base-config in stable |
| 14:54.39 | alex^^ | right ok |
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| 14:55.19 | Renfield | When I click on a play list it shows a blank page. Viewing the source shows the playlist, when I view info it says it is of type audio/x-scpls, and when I go to about:plugins it says that audio/x-scpls is registered to gxine, but gxine does not start up. Why? |
| 14:55.35 | alex^^ | so how to i update my timezone ETC? |
| 14:55.37 | alex^^ | in etch |
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| 14:56.07 | chops | I have a rather random question: |
| 14:56.27 | azeem | alex^^: run tzconfig |
| 14:56.38 | wols | we have a random answer: five hundred monkey |
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| 14:57.09 | chops | When I create a file in Linux, ext3 submits a bunch of I/O corresponding to the file I've just created. If I then delete the file before all the I/O gets completed, does the uncompleted I/O get canceled? |
| 14:57.17 | hatter | !mokeys |
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| 14:57.20 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 14:57.21 | dpkg | i guess monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
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| 14:59.10 | hatter | apt-get moo |
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| 15:00.11 | dalias | chops, of course. it was never 'submitted' anyway. the copy of the file in cache was just used, and then discarded when its usage count (link count) reached 0 |
| 15:00.30 | dalias | now |
| 15:00.36 | dalias | some things might be written anyway |
| 15:00.47 | dalias | for instance the modification time of the containing directory has changed |
| 15:00.56 | dalias | so that's dirty and needs to be written-out to disk |
| 15:01.01 | alex^^ | xen1:/# apt-get install tzconfig |
| 15:01.07 | alex^^ | E: Couldn't find package tzconfig |
| 15:01.14 | alex^^ | .... how do i set my timezone in etch? |
| 15:01.21 | azeem | I didn't say it was a package |
| 15:01.25 | azeem | I said "run tzconfig" |
| 15:01.33 | chops | dalias: So what you're saying is, you don't actually know :-). Certainly when you create a file, some I/O gets submitted corresponding to the bytes you've written. |
| 15:01.40 | jetscreamer | gdm changes your path it's probably not in it |
| 15:01.52 | alex^^ | xen1:/# run tzconfig |
| 15:01.52 | alex^^ | bash: run: command not found |
| 15:01.56 | alex^^ | ....... |
| 15:02.02 | alex^^ | azeem, you playing with me? |
| 15:02.03 | jetscreamer | type tzconfig |
| 15:02.03 | dalias | chops, io is not 'submitted' like that |
| 15:02.07 | azeem | alex^^: do you know how to run commands? |
| 15:02.08 | jetscreamer | not run |
| 15:02.14 | dalias | cached copies of the filesystem structures exist in ram |
| 15:02.16 | alex^^ | xen1:/# tzconfig |
| 15:02.16 | alex^^ | bash: tzconfig: command not found |
| 15:02.17 | azeem | alex^^: are you playing with me? |
| 15:02.20 | dalias | if they're changed, they're marked dirty |
| 15:02.25 | dalias | and will later be written out to disk |
| 15:02.27 | azeem | alex^^: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 15:02.36 | graytron | anyone else ran into problems with xorg disabling DRI for Matrox G550 all of a sudden? |
| 15:02.41 | wols | azeem: it's tzselect post etch |
| 15:02.43 | alex^^ | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 15:02.44 | hatter | jetscreamer, gdm ? |
| 15:02.48 | dalias | but if the object they represent ceases to exist before writing to disk, it will never be written |
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| 15:02.49 | graytron | it works at first and then just stops working |
| 15:02.55 | azeem | alex^^: that's not etch |
| 15:02.56 | jetscreamer | hatter: not you |
| 15:03.04 | hatter | ah |
| 15:03.04 | dalias | that doens't mean that other related objects (like the directory that contained it) won't be written, tho |
| 15:03.12 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata iirc |
| 15:03.14 | jetscreamer | in lenny |
| 15:03.33 | alex^^ | azeem, looks like etch to me |
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| 15:03.41 | azeem | alex^^: it doesn't to me |
| 15:03.43 | azeem | !info libc6 etch |
| 15:03.48 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 4588 kB, Installed size: 10804 kB |
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| 15:04.13 | Dantix | hi all, today occurred me to check the passwd file, and surprise me a lot of entries with declared shell, besides the regular users. I wan to reduce the exposure of my server, where can I obtain a list of "users" in a regular passwd file that needs to have declared shell? |
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| 15:04.44 | alex^^ | azeem, hmm when i did the debootstrap it must of got a shit version of lib |
| 15:04.45 | alex^^ | c |
| 15:05.02 | azeem | alex^^: eh, or you did debootstrap wrong |
| 15:05.05 | azeem | which is more likely |
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| 15:06.01 | Howitzer | Hiya all |
| 15:06.23 | jetscreamer | howzitergoing |
| 15:06.29 | chops | Okay, so you're saying that there's no layer in the kernel which thinks "block XX of disk Z is dirty and stored in page Q" -- the filesystem keeps dirty blocks in structures which still have information about what fs object they correspond to and writes them out when necessary instead of passing off block I/O to a separate layer. Is that accurate? |
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| 15:06.48 | azeem | chops: how is that related to Debian? |
| 15:06.56 | azeem | chops: I suggest you ask in #kernelnewbies |
| 15:07.28 | chops | azeem: The question arose when I was working with a Debian system is how :-). You're right; a kernel channel would be better. Sorry. |
| 15:07.40 | alex^^ | azeem, ah fuck, your right |
| 15:07.44 | jetscreamer | or #kernel maybe |
| 15:07.46 | alex^^ | debootstrap --arch i386 sarge /vserver/vm_base/ http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian |
| 15:07.48 | alex^^ | :) |
| 15:07.50 | alex^^ | woops. |
| 15:08.02 | azeem | no, you debootstrapped sid, not sare |
| 15:08.04 | azeem | sarge* |
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| 15:08.33 | azeem | alex^^: or rather, you got the syntax wrong, and debootstrap took sid as default |
| 15:08.40 | alex^^ | hmmm |
| 15:08.48 | azeem | the distro should be the last option, I think |
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| 15:09.57 | cast | debootstrap [OPTION...] SUITE TARGET [MIRROR [SCRIPT]] |
| 15:10.10 | cast | suite = sarge |
| 15:10.50 | azeem | well, whatever; fact is it installed sid |
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| 15:11.08 | azeem | maybe debootstrap doesn't recognize sarge as suite anymoe |
| 15:11.30 | Tiveron | hello :D |
| 15:11.53 | cast | hi :D |
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| 15:14.55 | Tiveron | how can i reconfigyre a xfree server? i try dpkg-reconfigure but nothing...:( |
| 15:15.32 | azeem | Tiveron: which version of Debian? |
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| 15:17.28 | Tiveron | i installed net-install and uodate from net....a think is the last version |
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| 15:18.24 | ninan | hi. i use mod_authnz_ldap with apache 2.2.6 on debian etch. It works well until i add the directive AuthLDAPRemoteUserAttribute. After that I get Invalid command 'AuthLDAPRemoteUserAttribute', perhaps misspelled. |
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| 15:25.16 | ayers | Hello... is it futile to try to reinstall from a debian-sarge to debian-etch with debootstrap when I only have ssh access (and no dhcp on the server side)? Any pointers would be great as google does produce many hits but I haven't found something with ssh that seems up-to-date [i.e. sarge->etch]... |
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| 15:26.08 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:26.14 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 15:26.14 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 15:26.48 | jetscreamer | just upgrade it, if sarge is actually booting/functioning |
| 15:27.01 | jetscreamer | or semi-functional |
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| 15:28.25 | Heavy-D | Hey Guys, if i've installed mysql, mysqlclient and pam-mysql on my Etch server.. how do I completely remove those components? I tried "apt-get remove mysql-server mysql-client pam-mysql" but it still leaves configuration for them around. Is there a better way to remove them? |
| 15:28.36 | BR_ | purge |
| 15:28.44 | ayers | hmm well I actually want to reinstall (and repartition...) |
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| 15:29.01 | SerajewelKS | ayers: then you need to be at the box |
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| 15:29.23 | Heavy-D | BR_: apt-get purge ? or were you talking to me? |
| 15:29.38 | jetscreamer | apt-get remove --purge |
| 15:29.39 | BR_ | Heavy-D: yes, that will get rid of config files (sorry for short reply) |
| 15:29.43 | jetscreamer | is the command |
| 15:29.44 | ayers | SerajewelKS: Thanks... I was afraid of that... |
| 15:29.48 | BR_ | Heavy-D: aptitude purge even... |
| 15:29.49 | chops | jetscreamer: I asked in ##kernel on this server, and the man who answered said something about FIFO I/O scheduling, and he used the word "ain't" without even including the apostrophe. I'm going to retreat into my ignorance :-). |
| 15:29.51 | jetscreamer | see also dpkg --purge |
| 15:30.07 | Heavy-D | BR_, jetscreamer: Thanks guys :) |
| 15:30.20 | chops | jetscreamer: I've never seen "ain't" on IRC before. |
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| 15:30.38 | jetscreamer | i use it in r/l but haven't on irc |
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| 15:33.09 | jetscreamer | mackinroe? |
| 15:33.19 | jetscreamer | or howeveryouspellit? |
| 15:33.50 | dalias | is there any way to tune the size of xft/pango apps' glyph caches? |
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| 15:35.33 | lumpki | isn't it ok to use "ain't" ironically? |
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| 15:37.59 | junix-other | who do i need to talk to about backports?? |
| 15:38.13 | junix-other | i am having some problems with the zabbix-server-mysql backport |
| 15:38.25 | arun | I want to install debian. What is netinstall & businescard. I want a minimilistic install & rest from apt-get |
| 15:38.38 | lumpki | use netinstall |
| 15:38.45 | jetscreamer | businesscard |
| 15:38.54 | arun | thanks lumpki |
| 15:38.58 | lumpki | or cd #1 |
| 15:39.00 | jetscreamer | if you have windows, use goodbye-windows.com instead |
| 15:39.06 | jetscreamer | even easier |
| 15:39.07 | azeem | it really depends on what network card you have |
| 15:40.21 | chops | lumpki: I don't think he was using it ironically. It actually just struck me as an unusual counterpoint to his not-very-good guesses about how things were (such as that block I/O in Linux has anything to do with FIFO) as he was trying to help me with my question. |
| 15:40.22 | arun | i tried sarge 3.1 but it couldn't detect my network card. my network card under fedora used e100 driver. But the same is not working here |
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| 15:40.32 | azeem | arun: try 4.0 |
| 15:40.36 | azeem | should be better |
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| 15:40.47 | ChrisW | where does sshd log to? |
| 15:40.54 | jetscreamer | /var/log ? |
| 15:40.59 | ChrisW | (gettign a weird premission denied trying to scp to a box...) |
| 15:40.59 | pedro_mg | hi, i need a PCI x16 graphics card to my Debian box. Wich recommend ? |
| 15:41.10 | ChrisW | var/log/what? |
| 15:41.12 | chops | ChrisW: Try /var/log/auth.log and possibly /var/log/daemon.log |
| 15:41.17 | junix-other | hi, i amtrying to install zabbix 1.4.2 from backports on sarge, but it is telling me that i need libmysqlclient15off but its not going to be installed. any reccommendations on what to do?? |
| 15:41.34 | chops | junix-other: Upgrade to etch? |
| 15:41.58 | junix-other | chops: i want to run the latest version of zabbix without compiling from source |
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| 15:42.15 | pedro_mg | and my TFT is 1680x1050, is this a problem ? |
| 15:42.28 | jetscreamer | does that imply a 15on ? |
| 15:43.52 | jetscreamer | that's a good question: exactly WHICH modern gaming graphics card has full xorg support |
| 15:44.19 | jetscreamer | don't use fglrx, don't use nvidia ... wtf are you supposed to use to game with? |
| 15:44.30 | lumpki | junix-other, why not compile from source (and use checkinstall maybe)? |
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| 15:44.33 | pedro_mg | not gammer here |
| 15:44.44 | junix-other | lumpki: i could..i just like the package manager |
| 15:44.50 | junix-other | lumpki: soooo much easier |
| 15:44.55 | jetscreamer | pedro_mg: game, whatever.. the point is the same |
| 15:44.58 | alex^^ | hmm |
| 15:45.03 | alex^^ | how do i set my locale in etch? |
| 15:45.05 | alex^^ | !locale |
| 15:45.05 | dpkg | i guess locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 15:45.15 | jetscreamer | !msg |
| 15:45.16 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 15:45.16 | alex^^ | botsnack |
| 15:45.20 | lumpki | that's where checkinstall comes in |
| 15:45.43 | junix-other | lumpki: ok, its just taht package also sets up myqsl which i am not very proficient in |
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| 15:45.49 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 15:45.49 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 15:47.07 | pedro_mg | my ATI 9200 had nice support. Anyone with ATI X1050 ? |
| 15:47.14 | abrotman | junix-other: you can get libmysql15 from bpo IIRC |
| 15:47.22 | junix-other | bpo???? |
| 15:47.25 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 15:47.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 15:48.12 | alex^^ | xen1:/# locale |
| 15:48.13 | alex^^ | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 15:48.21 | alex^^ | when i run dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 15:48.23 | junix-other | abrotman: thx |
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| 15:48.28 | alex^^ | and set my default, its not changing ? any clues? |
| 15:48.39 | hark | alex^^: logout |
| 15:49.03 | jetscreamer | alex^^: what 'seems' to fix that for me is dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 15:49.31 | pedro_mg | anyone using 1680x1050 resolution ? |
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| 15:50.14 | cast | hmm, so whats the difference between lsattr and showattr? |
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| 15:52.43 | abrotman | !anyone use |
| 15:52.43 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:53.12 | alex^^ | jetscreamer, hmmmm nope still spews |
| 15:53.13 | cast | doh. ok...so if setattr --barrier /dir turns on the barrier, how do i turn it off? setattr is devoid of useful help :\ |
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| 15:53.44 | wsdo_okadr | I want to have access to all traffic of the router I'm plugged in |
| 15:54.01 | wsdo_okadr | how do I do that ? |
| 15:54.01 | alex^^ | wsdo_okadr, setup a DMZ then |
| 15:54.08 | alex^^ | wsdo_okadr, #hardware |
| 15:54.10 | wsdo_okadr | alex^^: what's that ? |
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| 15:57.35 | CharlieKane | lets see what my screensaver does now... |
| 15:59.15 | CharlieKane | sigh |
| 15:59.17 | CharlieKane | still doesnt work |
| 16:01.03 | CharlieKane | I have to get an answer for this problem, cause if we're going to start offering systems pre-installed with Debian, I need to know how to fix it, or prevent it... Users don't like it when pre-installed systems have issues. |
| 16:01.36 | avtobiff | CharlieKane, what is your issue? |
| 16:01.58 | CharlieKane | I'm trying to figure out why screensavers stopped working |
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| 16:02.13 | CharlieKane | Googled... didn't come up with much |
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| 16:03.57 | junix-other | abrotman: i'm getting this Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used. |
| 16:03.57 | junix-other | Writing extended state information... Done |
| 16:03.57 | junix-other | chaos:/home/andrew# |
| 16:04.26 | arun | my pc shows 1.5GB RAM, but cat /proc/meminfo shows 1GB only. Why is this? What happened to the 512MB i recently added ? |
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| 16:04.41 | cahoot | 486 kernel? |
| 16:05.15 | arun | kernel is 2.6 for i386 |
| 16:05.22 | cahoot | arun, ^^ - uname -r |
| 16:05.28 | RichiH | arun: you most likely need another kernel image |
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| 16:06.25 | arun | cahoot: 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 16:06.28 | ctx144k | hello all |
| 16:07.00 | ctx144k | i have one question, i down wanna flaming. i want knowing it. |
| 16:07.12 | arun | RichiH: do you mean, i need to reinstall debian ? |
| 16:07.22 | RichiH | arun: no |
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| 16:07.32 | RichiH | arun: what processor do you have? |
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| 16:07.47 | ctx144k | are there exist in debian etch kernel any knowing security-problems (perhaps for getting root-rights as user via root-exploit)? |
| 16:08.11 | arun | RichiH: intel pentium 4 |
| 16:08.19 | RichiH | ctx144k: debsecan --suite etch |
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| 16:08.43 | RichiH | arun: apt-cache search linux-image and then apt-get install the newest you can find for 686 |
| 16:08.53 | RichiH | arun: or just apt-get install 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 16:09.01 | RichiH | arun: the reboot |
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| 16:09.05 | RichiH | then* |
| 16:09.15 | arun | RichiH: thanks |
| 16:09.19 | RichiH | np |
| 16:09.30 | arun | RichiH: will it affect LTSP? |
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| 16:09.50 | RichiH | arun: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.8-2-686, that is |
| 16:10.13 | arun | RichiH: thanks |
| 16:10.20 | RichiH | np |
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| 16:10.40 | ctx144k | RichiH, ah - its a new program, for me, moment ill read the manual |
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| 16:11.50 | CrAzYWolF | Sup all |
| 16:12.10 | RichiH | ctx144k: you want to run apt-get update && apt-get install $(debsecan --suite sid --only-fixed --format packages) every few days |
| 16:12.18 | RichiH | well, you want etch instead of sid |
| 16:12.26 | RichiH | but that command is really handy |
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| 16:13.40 | CrAzYWolF | ok i have installed Debian with only 1 cd im unable to view the apt-get app list and im trying to isntall vmware, but was unable to do it so it was trying to get gcc but it doesnt havet either any ideas thanks. |
| 16:13.54 | CrAzYWolF | install* |
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| 16:14.35 | azeem | CrAzYWolF: vmware is proprietary software, it's not in Debian |
| 16:14.56 | jetscreamer | CrAzYWolF: you probably still have the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list, remove it |
| 16:15.12 | en1gmaa | anyone know if webmin works with snort somehow |
| 16:15.19 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 16:15.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html, or don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality |
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| 16:15.27 | CrAzYWolF | yes i know |
| 16:15.32 | CrAzYWolF | i dl the vmware |
| 16:15.46 | CrAzYWolF | i was trying to install it |
| 16:15.55 | CrAzYWolF | but it didnt found gcc |
| 16:16.07 | azeem | so install it |
| 16:16.14 | CrAzYWolF | ok removing the cd line |
| 16:16.17 | en1gmaa | jetscreamer my router box dont have a display or even X installed...i can still install snort but it wont look right coming over putty on my windows box now would it? |
| 16:16.24 | jetscreamer | CrAzYWolF: you probably still have the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list, remove it and apt-get update && install stuff |
| 16:16.51 | azeem | he probably *only* has the CD line in there, or else apt-get would find the packages alredy |
| 16:16.54 | azeem | already* |
| 16:16.57 | jetscreamer | en1gmaa: i wouldn't know, i just know the words 'don't use webmin' |
| 16:17.05 | jetscreamer | ah good point |
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| 16:17.13 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 16:17.13 | dpkg | i guess sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 16:17.22 | en1gmaa | yea i know it to and i really dont want to...but i keep finding things i think i need to use it for |
| 16:17.45 | azeem | you won't get another answer as "don't use webmin" in here |
| 16:17.49 | c_newbie | hi, anyone has experiences with implementing software raid 10 before? |
| 16:17.57 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 16:18.06 | jetscreamer | at least you are trying |
| 16:18.24 | jetscreamer | !c_newbie++ |
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| 16:18.52 | blinx | I'm using flash in iceweasel but I have no sound |
| 16:18.59 | c_newbie | jetscreamer: yes? |
| 16:19.03 | blinx | ICEWEASEL_DSP="auto" |
| 16:19.03 | CrAzYWolF | okį |
| 16:19.09 | CrAzYWolF | i removed the files |
| 16:19.13 | azeem | lines* |
| 16:19.14 | blinx | !flash |
| 16:19.14 | dpkg | hmm... flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 16:19.17 | jetscreamer | c_newbie: i was just complimenting you on not giving up |
| 16:19.18 | CrAzYWolF | im sorry the line |
| 16:19.27 | azeem | CrAzYWolF: add the regular stable line |
| 16:19.30 | c_newbie | well |
| 16:19.31 | azeem | CrAzYWolF: then run apt-get update |
| 16:19.36 | Gm4n | Is there a way to (entirely remotely) turn a RHEL server into a debian one? |
| 16:19.38 | x_link | Hi, just wanna ask a question. |
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| 16:19.46 | c_newbie | coz ive come to computershop and no raid scsi hardware |
| 16:19.48 | x_link | Why is flash using this much from my processor? |
| 16:19.54 | c_newbie | while i only in this town uptil monday |
| 16:19.55 | c_newbie | :( |
| 16:20.01 | c_newbie | i have to finish it |
| 16:20.03 | CrAzYWolF | !apt-setup |
| 16:20.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. No longer available in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 16:20.05 | x_link | Can I use something else instead of flash? |
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| 16:20.13 | jetscreamer | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main #deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates |
| 16:20.37 | c_newbie | x_link: if you can shockwave |
| 16:20.48 | CrAzYWolF | !apt-spy |
| 16:20.49 | dpkg | well, apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 16:20.56 | x_link | c_newbie: That means? |
| 16:21.04 | jetscreamer | apt-spy was broken in lenny last time i looked |
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| 16:21.31 | CrAzYWolF | mmm |
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| 16:22.15 | CrAzYWolF | brb |
| 16:22.16 | blinx | I followed the instructions/ I downloaded and installed he flash package but it doesn't work with sound? |
| 16:22.20 | blinx | ! |
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| 16:22.59 | alaK | Some help please, http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=4700074#post4700074 |
| 16:23.00 | benjamindees | blinx, iirc the flash plugin requires OSS |
| 16:23.24 | awp_ | hello all, how do I go back to the installation question which asks me if I want my clock set to UTC or localtime? I can't "apt-get install base-config" no more it seems |
| 16:23.28 | Coke | Hi! I recently switched from an nvidia 7800 to 8600, now the display (twinview clone) on the TV is overscanned. Can this be solved with xorg modelines or can only the nvidia driver change it? |
| 16:23.51 | ctx144k | RichiH, ok, and who tells debsecan the list of known bugs? |
| 16:24.02 | c_newbie | i wonder |
| 16:24.07 | ctx144k | the debian-maintainer? |
| 16:24.09 | c_newbie | im using gigabit cable |
| 16:24.13 | junix-other | abrotman: ? |
| 16:24.15 | c_newbie | with gigabit lancard |
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| 16:24.21 | c_newbie | on 10/100 switch |
| 16:24.29 | abrotman | junix-other: ? |
| 16:24.32 | c_newbie | and data transfer only 70kbps |
| 16:24.33 | c_newbie | zzzz |
| 16:24.39 | abrotman | junix-other: is the package at backports.org ? |
| 16:24.44 | junix-other | yes |
| 16:24.46 | c_newbie | what's wrong with my network |
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| 16:26.28 | abrotman | junix-other: so what command did you try ? |
| 16:26.35 | benjamindees | c_newbie, is it a store-bought cable? |
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| 16:26.47 | junix-other | the apt-get one and aptitude |
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| 16:26.59 | abrotman | junix-other: what command ? |
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| 16:27.16 | junix-other | apt-get -t etch-backports install zabbix-server-mysql |
| 16:27.34 | junix-other | and aptitude -t etch-backports install zabbix-server-mysql |
| 16:27.37 | abrotman | i meant for the libmysql15 |
| 16:28.02 | junix-other | oh |
| 16:28.41 | alaK | Does anyone have aknowledge of hlds/hltv ?? |
| 16:28.47 | junix-other | apt-get install libmysqlclient15off |
| 16:28.51 | c_newbie | benjamindees: no i create it |
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| 16:29.02 | benjamindees | c_newbie, did you strip the ends? |
| 16:29.07 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list.etch <--critiques? |
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| 16:29.18 | c_newbie | i guess so |
| 16:29.36 | c_newbie | its not a real gbit cable, its a rj45 - k6 cable |
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| 16:30.12 | c_newbie | gawd.. why there's no tutorial how to raid 10 |
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| 16:30.31 | benjamindees | c_newbie, cat-6 you mean? |
| 16:30.55 | benjamindees | hey I noticed that the 2.6 kernel has experimental support for Raid 10 |
| 16:31.14 | c_newbie | yes |
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| 16:31.28 | c_newbie | it is? |
| 16:31.59 | c_newbie | anyway, is it better using software raid from linux itself |
| 16:32.11 | c_newbie | or from motherboard (ServeWorks, HostRaid, etc) |
| 16:32.46 | benjamindees | I would definitely use linux software RAID, especially for raid 1/0/10 |
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| 16:33.11 | TonInter | Hello. |
| 16:33.31 | c_newbie | ah |
| 16:33.36 | benjamindees | and I'd guess that there's something wrong with your ethernet cable, probably the connectors. |
| 16:33.42 | c_newbie | i guess benjamindees can answer my question |
| 16:33.48 | c_newbie | how to create raid 10? |
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| 16:34.46 | c_newbie | coz when 1st installment, i only can create raid 0 or 1 |
| 16:35.06 | TonInter | Anyone feeling in a "helping" mood today? :) |
| 16:35.14 | Arafangion | c_newbie: Guess what raid 10 is. ;) |
| 16:35.26 | abrotman | !ask |
| 16:35.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:35.35 | c_newbie | Arafangion: i know 1+0 but, the question is how |
| 16:35.51 | TonInter | Ok, so here goes: |
| 16:35.58 | TonInter | here it* |
| 16:36.14 | c_newbie | got 2 channel scsi card, each channel i created with raid 1 |
| 16:36.18 | c_newbie | and thats it, |
| 16:36.21 | c_newbie | i dunno next |
| 16:36.23 | c_newbie | :( |
| 16:36.27 | spheard | How do I extract a backup from rsync? |
| 16:36.37 | benjamindees | c_newbie, make two raid 0 arrays, then make them into a raid 1 array |
| 16:37.07 | c_newbie | benjamindees: isnt 0+1 not 1+0 ? |
| 16:37.12 | benjamindees | c_newbie, you probably have to do it after a system is installed though. |
| 16:37.12 | c_newbie | i thought raid 1+0 is 10 |
| 16:37.16 | TonInter | I have a problem connecting HLTV to the Counter Strike server. Since the server is running Debian, I thought I oughta ask here. It tries to connect, and after three attempts, it says Timeout, and it stops. I have no idea what to do now. Help please! |
| 16:37.41 | c_newbie | benjamindees: oh no... i have no idea how to make raid after installment |
| 16:37.43 | benjamindees | c_newbie, raid 10 is either 1+0 or 0+1; but you want to do it the way I explained. |
| 16:38.04 | c_newbie | usually i create raid when @1st installment |
| 16:38.14 | c_newbie | more-gui-able :D |
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| 16:39.16 | TonInter | 774 people in the channel, and only 3 are chatting. The rest, idle FTW! :)) |
| 16:39.41 | abrotman | TonInter: can you telnet to the port you need to connect to ? |
| 16:39.43 | cloakable | Yup |
| 16:39.48 | mbroeker | what is best for a chassis fan: if it blows into the pc or if it sucks the air out of the tower? |
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| 16:40.17 | c_newbie | blow out |
| 16:40.26 | TonInter | abrotman, let me try that. |
| 16:40.43 | abrotman | mbroeker: technically .. you'd want both if you can |
| 16:40.47 | benjamindees | mbroeker, generally, if the fan is at the top, it should blow out; if it's at the bottom, it should suck in; but it should never go against any existing (power supply) fans. |
| 16:40.51 | TonInter | Nope, connection refused. |
| 16:41.04 | abrotman | mbroeker: ask #hardware .. but if you have both on opposite ends .. it causes more airflow |
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| 16:41.29 | c_newbie | yea |
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| 16:41.32 | c_newbie | bottom to suck |
| 16:41.40 | zophy[] | can someone help with this vmware runtime error --> /usr/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: /usr/lib/vmware/lib/libpng12.so.0/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2) |
| 16:41.41 | c_newbie | top to blow |
| 16:41.51 | cast | !vmware |
| 16:41.51 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
| 16:41.54 | TonInter | abrotman, it refuses the connection. =/ |
| 16:42.12 | alaK | abrotman, TonInter: but, it also cant connect to other hosts, which aren't on localhost |
| 16:42.27 | abrotman | TonInter: guess you found your problem |
| 16:42.38 | zophy[] | it's a lib version problem |
| 16:42.57 | zophy[] | how is version information obtained ? |
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| 16:43.12 | mbroeker | ok thanks for the advices. |
| 16:43.19 | abrotman | TonInter: if it's not listening .. it's not listening |
| 16:43.33 | TonInter | So I need to play louder music then. Ok, thanks mate. :) |
| 16:43.57 | zophy[] | play master bate |
| 16:44.03 | TonInter | =D |
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| 16:45.06 | abrotman | TonInter: firewall ? |
| 16:45.12 | xored | anybody familiar with rsnapshot an can tell me, how can i use backup-specific exclude files ? |
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| 16:46.06 | TonInter | abrotman: It's installed, but it's not activated. |
| 16:46.09 | TonInter | It's turned off. |
| 16:46.16 | abrotman | something is stopping it |
| 16:46.24 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 16:46.25 | dpkg | somebody said open ports was # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 16:46.46 | TonInter | Hm. |
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| 16:47.30 | jetscreamer | !connectsmite Youri |
| 16:47.36 | TonInter | abrotman, it's not listening, according to "netstat -plunt" |
| 16:47.49 | abrotman | TonInter: you broked it |
| 16:47.51 | alaK | We used APF, which is now completely removed |
| 16:47.54 | jetscreamer | !connect Youri |
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| 16:48.34 | TonInter | abrotman, no, I didn't. :( Why would you say such a thing? :( =)) |
| 16:48.46 | alaK | The problem isnt starting the HLTV and putting listening to some random port, problem is connecting it to a localhost CS 1.6 server |
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| 16:49.02 | abrotman | how about one person state the actual problem |
| 16:49.18 | alaK | I tried here many times, no answer |
| 16:49.25 | alaK | so TonInter joined |
| 16:49.29 | alaK | and he got responded :( |
| 16:49.32 | Shin-LaC | does anybody here speak japanese? |
| 16:49.42 | jetscreamer | !jp |
| 16:49.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, jp is Japan |
| 16:49.43 | TonInter | kawai. :) |
| 16:49.46 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 16:49.55 | jetscreamer | #debian-jp maybe |
| 16:49.59 | alaK | !ee |
| 16:49.59 | dpkg | ee is, like, for gEEks. Estonia. ElectricElf |
| 16:50.00 | jetscreamer | !japanese |
| 16:50.00 | dpkg | [japanese] #debian-japanese Turning japanese i think i'm turning japanese i really think so! |
| 16:50.05 | Shin-LaC | oh |
| 16:50.07 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 16:50.11 | Shin-LaC | thanks |
| 16:50.13 | TonInter | !mk |
| 16:50.13 | dpkg | hmm... mk is Macedonia |
| 16:50.17 | TonInter | Yep. :D |
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| 16:50.19 | TonInter | !al |
| 16:50.19 | dpkg | somebody said al was Albania |
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| 16:50.25 | TonInter | And they were right. |
| 16:50.32 | alaK | so abortman |
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| 16:50.43 | alaK | abortman: The problem isnt starting the HLTV and putting listening to some random port, problem is connecting it to a localhost CS 1.6 server |
| 16:50.47 | alaK | This is the actual problem |
| 16:50.54 | vnWrK | uhm how do I lock an user from /etc/passwd? |
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| 16:51.14 | majeru | vnWrK: chattr |
| 16:51.24 | spectie | http://paste.debian.net/36524 |
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| 16:51.45 | spectie | lines 14/15 43/44 and 59/60 |
| 16:51.59 | spectie | ibc6-dev: Depends: linux-libc-dev but it is not going to be installed, linux-libc-dev: Conflicts: linux-kernel-headers |
| 16:51.59 | vnWrK | majeru: well theres a way, directly into etc passwd |
| 16:52.01 | spectie | what is up with that :| |
| 16:52.03 | dkr | vnWrK: add a chaarcter to their password field, e.g. a * |
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| 16:52.25 | vnWrK | dkr: what if the password field is already a *? **? |
| 16:52.28 | dkr | that's old school way to disable logins for a user |
| 16:52.30 | alaK | I have no damn idea why it refuses connections from localhost :/ |
| 16:52.32 | jetscreamer | !find linux-libc-dev |
| 16:52.38 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 16:52.42 | TonInter | !find naked-girls |
| 16:52.42 | azeem | jetscreamer: dude |
| 16:52.45 | dkr | vnWrK: sorry, I mean /etc/shadow |
| 16:52.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'naked-girls' returned no results. |
| 16:52.50 | azeem | jetscreamer: !find is for files, not packages |
| 16:52.54 | vnWrK | kthx |
| 16:52.57 | spectie | !find linux-libc-dev |
| 16:53.00 | dpkg | linux-libc-dev: (Linux Kernel Headers for development), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.22-4 (sid), Packaged size: 687 kB, Installed size: 3972 kB |
| 16:53.09 | dkr | passwords being in passwd instead of shadow is even older school. :) |
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| 16:53.14 | vnWrK | yea |
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| 16:53.22 | vnWrK | but its a question in Linux+ |
| 16:53.23 | vnWrK | heh |
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| 16:53.42 | jetscreamer | i smell bacon |
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| 16:53.57 | vnWrK | jetscreamer: can I eat you? |
| 16:53.58 | jetscreamer | (from the kitchen) |
| 16:54.05 | jetscreamer | no my wife would get mad |
| 16:54.06 | vnWrK | ah |
| 16:54.20 | TonInter | jetscreamer, you need to teach your wife how to share. :)) |
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| 16:54.38 | vnWrK | hah |
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| 16:55.09 | Codenut | log on |
| 16:55.24 | alaK | umn, TonInter, can I put you in the log and start ramming from the back? |
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| 16:55.28 | Codenut | Hello all, Using irssi now. |
| 16:55.32 | Ronin | slap me? |
| 16:56.06 | Codenut | Can I create a script with all the stuff from the webpage beginners area? |
| 16:56.11 | spectie | does linux-libc-dev == linux-kernel-headers ? |
| 16:56.24 | Ronin | careful TonInter you'll get me excited |
| 16:56.28 | Codenut | Sorry it was for irrc startup scripts |
| 16:56.38 | TonInter | alaK, you can try. :D |
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| 16:57.13 | jetscreamer | Spec: you 'probably' need to pick one or the other... the kernel-headers if you don't know the difference, at a guess |
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| 16:57.51 | spectie | jetscreamer, seems that linux-libc-dev is the more recent one |
| 16:57.51 | azeem | spectie: linux-libc-dev supersedes linux-kernel-headers |
| 16:57.51 | spectie | perhaps they changed the package name |
| 16:57.51 | spectie | aye |
| 16:57.51 | spectie | thats what i was thinking |
| 16:57.51 | spectie | thanks :) |
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| 16:57.51 | supervos | hi all |
| 16:57.51 | azeem | it's not just a name change |
| 16:57.52 | azeem | but in essence, yeah |
| 16:57.52 | supervos | ive got a huge problem |
| 16:57.59 | supervos | maybe someone can help me |
| 16:58.00 | jetscreamer | just ask |
| 16:58.04 | junix-other | abrotman: did you find anything out? |
| 16:58.06 | vnWrK | that huge? |
| 16:58.15 | jetscreamer | !tell supervos -about ask |
| 16:58.17 | TonInter | vnWrK, lol! |
| 16:58.18 | supervos | ive got a root account with shell /bin/false in etc/passwd |
| 16:58.32 | jetscreamer | !tell supervos -about enter |
| 16:58.43 | azeem | supervos: maybe you can reboot with init=/bin/sh |
| 16:58.45 | azeem | and rectify that |
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| 16:58.46 | supervos | some nuub over here was trying to disable root shell acces |
| 16:59.08 | vnWrK | is he an ubuntu user? |
| 16:59.14 | supervos | ive got no physical access to the machine |
| 16:59.25 | azeem | supervos: and "sudo bash"? |
| 16:59.29 | supervos | no sudo |
| 16:59.37 | azeem | supervos: then you're screwed I guess |
| 16:59.38 | supervos | su -s doesnt work |
| 16:59.38 | explody | su -c? |
| 16:59.49 | azeem | yeah, maybe that |
| 16:59.53 | azeem | su -c /bin/bash |
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| 16:59.57 | supervos | nope |
| 16:59.59 | supervos | doesnt work |
| 17:00.05 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 17:00.06 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:00.12 | spectie | works here |
| 17:00.15 | supervos | ok |
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| 17:00.25 | titii | what is the command for view the total and the current memory usage? thank you |
| 17:00.31 | spectie | titii, free |
| 17:00.33 | supervos | when i do that it prompt for the pass |
| 17:00.38 | shanky | hello |
| 17:00.39 | vnWrK | haha dpkg's answer is wonderful |
| 17:00.44 | titii | spectie should be |
| 17:00.45 | supervos | when i enter that i go back to my user prompt |
| 17:00.46 | azeem | supervos: so enter it |
| 17:00.49 | azeem | ok |
| 17:00.58 | shanky | I have the 2.6.21-2-686 kernel |
| 17:01.13 | jetscreamer | !tell shanky -about enter |
| 17:01.14 | vnWrK | congrats |
| 17:01.22 | jetscreamer | shank you very much |
| 17:01.35 | vnWrK | wasn't fo' ye |
| 17:01.35 | TonInter | spank you very much. |
| 17:01.41 | c_newbie | lol |
| 17:02.03 | jetscreamer | !shank me |
| 17:02.03 | supervos | any other ideas |
| 17:02.05 | supervos | ? |
| 17:02.13 | jetscreamer | dpkg doesn't know what a shank is hmmm |
| 17:02.13 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 17:02.16 | titii | 776632 is the 776,632 MB, is that? |
| 17:02.19 | TonInter | slaps* |
| 17:02.25 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 17:02.50 | azeem | TonInter: please try to be less noise and more signal |
| 17:02.51 | TonInter | I tend to slap people without any reason whatsoever. |
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| 17:02.55 | shanky | and I need it because of an usb hdsp modem, but I have not been able to get ipw3945-modules-2.6.21, I have also tried using module-assitant but I can't build them |
| 17:03.00 | TonInter | azeem, sorry. =/ |
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| 17:03.29 | jetscreamer | dpkg forget doesn't know what a shank |
| 17:03.29 | dpkg | i forgot doesn't know what a shank, jetscreamer |
| 17:03.40 | titii | there is also another command for the previewing the realtime memory usages... what is that command or util? thank you |
| 17:03.54 | vnWrK | jetscreamer: please try to be less noise and more signal |
| 17:03.56 | supervos | no one who can help me with this? |
| 17:04.21 | spectie | titii, top |
| 17:04.35 | jetscreamer | dpkg shank is <reply> a homemade knife |
| 17:04.35 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 17:04.40 | jetscreamer | !stab TonInter |
| 17:04.44 | titii | spectie thats it friend, thank you |
| 17:04.59 | spectie | np hombre |
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| 17:05.39 | TonInter | !slap jetscreamer |
| 17:05.41 | titii | spectie :) good evening |
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| 17:06.02 | spectie | supervos, |
| 17:06.43 | spectie | supervos, have you tried making a copy of the /etc/passwd , changing the shell then doing su -c 'cp /tmp/newpwd /etc/passwd' |
| 17:06.44 | spectie | ? |
| 17:06.50 | spectie | or perhaps making a script that you can call |
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| 17:07.22 | TonInter | Well, something is obviously blocking HLTV from connecting. Even though APF is totally removed, could any iptables from it still exist in the server? |
| 17:07.25 | vnWrK | supervos: you could edit etc passwd from another computer.. |
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| 17:07.55 | jetscreamer | boot a livecd |
| 17:08.01 | jetscreamer | oh no phys. access nm |
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| 17:08.45 | jetscreamer | !love azeem |
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| 17:09.18 | TonInter | !love dpkg |
| 17:09.36 | cloakable | rofl |
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| 17:10.06 | qrck | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.07 | alaK | !love alak |
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| 17:10.16 | afaict | I cant play mp3 using amarok. I already installed libxine1-ffmeg. =/ |
| 17:10.27 | qrck | yeah yeah go on laughing |
| 17:10.37 | jetscreamer | !lart jetscreamer for showing the n00bs how to play with the bot.... |
| 17:10.53 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 17:10.56 | TonInter | :D |
| 17:11.09 | TonInter | Thank you for teaching/showing us, oh Great one. :D |
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| 17:12.14 | diafic_ | !steal jetscreamer's sandwedge |
| 17:12.17 | diafic_ | damnit |
| 17:12.20 | diafic_ | D: |
| 17:12.25 | diafic_ | I suck... and I'm a regular! |
| 17:12.34 | diafic_ | well.. idler. |
| 17:12.53 | jetscreamer | my sand wedge in in the bag of golf clubs... |
| 17:12.54 | Codenut | dpkg getting channel list in irssi |
| 17:12.58 | jetscreamer | is in |
| 17:13.24 | Codenut | grrr I forgot /msg, sorry gang |
| 17:13.25 | alaK | lets nominate this channel of the year channel, what do you think ? |
| 17:13.33 | azeem | alaK: please keep it on-topic |
| 17:13.42 | jetscreamer | probably /list Codenut but i dunno |
| 17:14.15 | rahul | S T O N E D |
| 17:14.18 | alaK | i have keeping it on-topic but i haven't got no response in about 10-15 minutes |
| 17:14.20 | rahul | he's gonna be happy today |
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| 17:14.33 | jetscreamer | [12.15.11] --- End of /LIST |
| 17:14.37 | jetscreamer | that's a big list |
| 17:14.50 | azeem | alaK: that doesn't mean you should start getting off-topic then |
| 17:15.32 | TonInter | azeem, no disrespect, but, it sure helps for people to notice you. |
| 17:15.38 | supervos | spectie i trying your suggestion |
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| 17:16.46 | seth1248 | How can I detect if my cpu is 32 or 64 bit? |
| 17:16.54 | chops | seth1248: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:17.02 | chops | seth1248: Look for "lm" under cpuflags |
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| 17:17.25 | chops | seth1248: If the "lm" is there, then it's 64-bit. Remarkably intuitive, isn't it? :-) |
| 17:17.26 | supervos | spectie: it didnt work authentication Ok but i go back to my user prompr |
| 17:17.31 | supervos | prompt |
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| 17:17.51 | jetscreamer | what's lm, large mem? |
| 17:17.59 | zophy[] | plompt |
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| 17:19.01 | supervos | any other ideas? |
| 17:19.05 | chops | jetscreamer: long mode |
| 17:19.10 | chops | jetscreamer: IIRC |
| 17:19.31 | supervos | one should think the su -m would load root in the current shell |
| 17:19.41 | supervos | but that doesnt work either |
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| 17:21.35 | seth1248 | chops: I don't see lm under flags in /proc/cpuinfo. So I can be pretty sure I don't have a 64 bit processor? |
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| 17:21.56 | chops | seth1248: Yes, I believe you can. |
| 17:22.07 | chops | seth1248: If you're still unsure you can always boot a 64-bit kernel and see what happens :-) |
| 17:22.38 | afaict | folks. amarok isn't playing mp3. |
| 17:22.44 | alaK | or just look around in the bios |
| 17:23.01 | jetscreamer | does anything else play mp3's? |
| 17:23.07 | jetscreamer | do you have the codecs? |
| 17:23.08 | afaict | jetscreamer xmms |
| 17:23.11 | afaict | jetscreamer does |
| 17:23.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 17:23.35 | afaict | i already installed libxine1-ffmeg but didn't help |
| 17:23.36 | seth1248 | Great! Thanks. I just booted into knoppix to see so that I would know which version of debian to install. I will go ahead an install i386. |
| 17:23.57 | jetscreamer | you have w32codecs then i guess |
| 17:24.01 | afaict | jetscreamer yeap |
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| 17:25.25 | afaict | jetscreamer too strange. =/ |
| 17:25.58 | ameyer | isn't amarok xine-based? |
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| 17:26.31 | afaict | ameyer not. it uses only the engine. |
| 17:26.40 | ameyer | *ubuntu would pop up a window that'd allow you to install the required codec automagically |
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| 17:26.55 | ameyer | perhaps Debian should steal that idea |
| 17:27.13 | ameyer | afaict: I mean, it uses the xine engine, not gstreamer |
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| 17:27.33 | afaict | ameyer ok |
| 17:27.34 | jetscreamer | there's a dev group for that ameyer .... i forget the factoid or name of the group |
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| 17:27.57 | xored | someone familiar with rsnapshot and can tell me, how i let only specific backups make on specific interval names ? |
| 17:28.12 | afaict | ameyer #amarok says it's a package problem in debian. o.O |
| 17:28.22 | ameyer | afaict: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3:Debian |
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| 17:28.49 | ameyer | it seems to be somewhat lenny-specific, but if you're not using lenny, it might still work |
| 17:29.07 | afaict | ameyer i'm using lenny. :D |
| 17:29.28 | afaict | ameyer i'm trying to chase the error. |
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| 17:30.25 | aliumalik | find . -type f -regex .*\.lib works what do I need to add to it to find multiple extensions? |
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| 17:32.24 | afaict | ameyer it's a bug in xine. |
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| 17:32.56 | ameyer | afaict: fun |
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| 17:33.19 | jetscreamer | atm |
| 17:33.23 | jetscreamer | sid though |
| 17:33.27 | naiv | how to make "find" to order the results alphabetically ? |
| 17:33.49 | jetscreamer | pipe it |
| 17:33.55 | jetscreamer | perl it |
| 17:34.21 | cydork | aliumalik: use -regex foo -o -regex bar |
| 17:34.36 | cydork | aliumalik: for more information check manpage. :) |
| 17:34.49 | ameyer | afaict: you could probably convince Lenny to use sid's libxine1-ffmpeg if you wanted to, although you'd have to manually chase dependencies |
| 17:34.57 | naiv | oh, find | sort, thank you |
| 17:35.04 | ameyer | afaict: you probably shouldnt though |
| 17:35.47 | aliumalik | cydork, is there anyway I can make it work with pipe (foo|bar|loo)? because adding -o -regex everyime makes the command longer and longer and I want it to be short |
| 17:35.56 | blinx | benjamindees: alsa-oss is installed |
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| 17:36.32 | afaict | i always forget. I'm using unstable version. Is unstable called Lenny? |
| 17:36.42 | jetscreamer | no |
| 17:36.46 | jetscreamer | testing |
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| 17:37.01 | dkr | sid is always unstable |
| 17:37.02 | Ronin | afaict: unstable-sid |
| 17:37.08 | cydork | aliumalik: not afaik. |
| 17:37.12 | jetscreamer | uname -a will say unstable/testing though |
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| 17:38.04 | TonInter | Guys, going now. Thanks for trying to help. :D |
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| 17:38.13 | TonInter | Have a nice day/Good night. =) |
| 17:38.27 | afaict | jetscreamer uname -a: Linux afaict 2.6.22-1-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 29 16:28:31 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:38.42 | jetscreamer | ok then it's something else |
| 17:38.43 | jetscreamer | motd |
| 17:38.45 | _Krieger_ | i need to get IDE harddisk model name. by /sys/block there is file 'model' only for sata disk, and no such for ide :( please show me the way |
| 17:38.51 | stiv2k | hi.... when will uswsusp version 0.7 be released into SID ? |
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| 17:39.02 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 17:39.06 | afaict | jetscreamer ;) I knew that uname wouldn't show. I was kidding. |
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| 17:39.09 | azeem | stiv2k: what's the current version? |
| 17:39.21 | afaict | jetscreamer take a look: cat /proc/cpuinfo bogomips: 5224.03 |
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| 17:39.42 | stiv2k | azeem: packages.debian.org shows 0.6~cvs20070618-1 |
| 17:39.48 | stiv2k | azeem: 0.7 was released on sept. 3 |
| 17:39.57 | azeem | stiv2k: that's five days ago |
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| 17:40.01 | rapi | hi all |
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| 17:40.17 | azeem | stiv2k: you can file a wishlist bug requesting it if there's non already |
| 17:40.22 | stiv2k | azeem: correct but it is not in the repo's yet |
| 17:40.27 | stiv2k | azeem: where can i do that? |
| 17:40.34 | rapi | someone knows a keylogger under linux except lkl? |
| 17:40.37 | azeem | stiv2k: if you have to ask that, you shouldn't run unstable |
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| 17:40.41 | azeem | !bts |
| 17:40.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:40.54 | stiv2k | azeem: well once i find out i won't have to ask again ;) |
| 17:40.54 | ameyer | umm, wtf? cat /etc/debian_version reports "lenny/sid" for me. Is that somewhat normal? |
| 17:41.06 | ameyer | not that it matters much |
| 17:41.07 | azeem | ameyer: yes |
| 17:41.12 | azeem | ameyer: what did you expect? |
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| 17:41.28 | ameyer | I wasn't expecing for lenny to be in there |
| 17:41.28 | jetscreamer | hey they changed it |
| 17:41.33 | en1gmaa | is postsentry any good or does snort replace it |
| 17:41.39 | jetscreamer | it's lenny/sid here also now |
| 17:41.41 | ameyer | azeem: something like "sid/unstable" |
| 17:41.45 | edistar | what is the best way to delete partitions? |
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| 17:41.47 | stiv2k | azeem: you said 'bug' does this mean i have to file it at launchpad |
| 17:41.54 | azeem | ameyer: it was always "testing/unstable" I think |
| 17:41.55 | Enzi | hi our box is constantly getting bunch of errors/msgs Screenshot http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4660/memory1jg7.jpg Anyone know what this is and how to fix it? |
| 17:42.05 | ameyer | azeem: I see |
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| 17:42.14 | afaict | ameyer jetscreamer here too lenny/sid |
| 17:42.20 | azeem | ameyer: how should the base-files package transition from unstable to testing when it needed an update to read "testing" in /etc/debian_version? |
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| 17:42.36 | Kanfoosh | Howdy, I am trying to install some brother printer drivers, and i am needing to use dpkg, however im getting continuious errors from it such as ... dpkg: cannot scan updates directory `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/': No such file or directory .. and i cant resolve it, ive looked around on google and I cant find anything, any suggestions? |
| 17:43.19 | ameyer | of course, it's fun when you need to use a package from etch when you're running sid... |
| 17:43.20 | azeem | Kanfoosh: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 17:43.35 | Enzi | anyone? |
| 17:43.37 | xored | are there any other dirs the tmp, dev, sys, proc, mnt, /var/cache/apt i would not like to backup under etch ? |
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| 17:44.02 | stiv2k | how do i file a wishlist bug?? |
| 17:44.17 | Kanfoosh | azeem: dpkg-query: cannot scan updates directory `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/': No such file or directory |
| 17:44.20 | abrotman | stiv2k: at bugs.debian.org .. it tells you how to report a bug |
| 17:44.29 | azeem | stiv2k: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 17:44.43 | stiv2k | so it is in launchpad/bugzilla/whatever |
| 17:44.45 | stiv2k | ok |
| 17:44.46 | azeem | Kanfoosh: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say? |
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| 17:45.16 | Kanfoosh | azeem: im running gentoo, I dont have a debian version |
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| 17:45.35 | azeem | Kanfoosh: then why do you think you need dpkg? |
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| 17:45.44 | Ronin | Kanfoosh: and why are you asking in #debian then |
| 17:45.54 | azeem | Kanfoosh: look for a gentoo-specific howto then |
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| 17:46.20 | Kanfoosh | Ronin: the guys at #gentoo, said I should come here and ask as it is a debian thing :P .. |
| 17:46.36 | azeem | Kanfoosh: we certainly don't know how to run dpkg on gentoo |
| 17:46.41 | Ronin | Kanfoosh: well if your running gentoo why not use whatever they use for an installer |
| 17:46.55 | azeem | Kanfoosh: I assume you should forget about dpkg and ask gentoo however to solve the problem you have |
| 17:47.07 | azeem | s/assume/suggest/ |
| 17:47.55 | Noodlesgc | wow FORTRAN really does suck |
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| 17:48.40 | abrotman | he could just manually extract the .deb |
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| 17:50.41 | en1gmaa | does anyone here use portsentry |
| 17:50.46 | en1gmaa | or snort |
| 17:51.33 | boo | does anyone know how to make vlc open files with only one instance? |
| 17:51.48 | en1gmaa | im not sure what im supposed to be seing with portsentry for sure....i know i started two instances from my putty windows box....'portsentry -tcp' and 'portsentry -udp' they both show up when i do an 'ps -A' |
| 17:52.06 | en1gmaa | but i dont see anything showing up in temr when i have www.grc.com do a common port scan |
| 17:54.43 | debianuser | hey guys i have debian 4 installed on my system i have already gotten all the updates and everythin....but just now i installed kmyfirewall just to see what its all about anyway now my shit not loggin into my account and i can't get into the root account neither the both acounts freezes upon login...and i believe its the kmyfirewall program i installed that is causin the login freezes.......well right now i am usin sabayon live cd to use the irc to |
| 17:54.44 | debianuser | ask for help.......can anyone help me with this problem |
| 17:55.25 | _Krieger_ | i need to get IDE harddisk model name. by /sys/block there is file 'model' only for sata disk, and no such for ide :( please show me the way |
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| 17:56.18 | en1gmaa | just start your debian up in single user mode and remoce that pkg |
| 17:56.56 | Trewas | _Krieger_: they are in /proc/ide/hdx/... |
| 17:57.06 | debianuser | oh ok thanks |
| 17:57.20 | azeem | debianuser: are you logging in via ssh? |
| 17:58.09 | debianuser | azeem: ssh meanin a network.. |
| 17:58.14 | azeem | yes |
| 17:58.18 | debianuser | azeem: na |
| 17:58.27 | azeem | debianuser: then it cannot be the firewall |
| 17:58.48 | abrotman | unless it stopped lo and hislogin uses that for somereason .. maybe |
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| 17:59.14 | debianuser | azeem: well did set up some stuff on the firewall and i remember seein the ssh option bein checked off |
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| 17:59.54 | _Krieger_ | Trewas: Thanks a lot! |
| 17:59.54 | edistar | how do I find the mountpoint of my ipod? |
| 17:59.55 | azeem | debianuser: how do you try to login? |
| 18:00.01 | azeem | edistar: "mount" |
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| 18:00.16 | edistar | azeem: it doesn't seem to be mounted |
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| 18:00.36 | edistar | azeem: I need to find out where in /dev/ I need to mount it from |
| 18:00.47 | benjamindees | edistar, that is called the device name or device node |
| 18:00.54 | edistar | benjamindees: oh, sry |
| 18:00.54 | debianuser | azeem: i try to login ...usin the kdm interface |
| 18:01.21 | edistar | benjamindees: it always was /dev/sdb1 but it changed apparently |
| 18:01.29 | benjamindees | edistar, dmesg|tail |
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| 18:02.17 | edistar | benjamindees: cool, thank you! |
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| 18:02.40 | _Krieger_ | but can somebody explain, why that information is not stored in /sys, that is purposed for so stuff? |
| 18:03.13 | azeem | debianuser: maybe your hard disk is full |
| 18:03.21 | stiv2k | hey what is more efficient to use for file transfers (like streaming media and whatnot)....SSH or NFS ? |
| 18:03.23 | azeem | debianuser: hit ctrl+alt+f1 and try to login there |
| 18:03.28 | edistar | benjamindees: but I do a mount -t vfat /dev/sdd1 /media/ipod it tells me the special device doesn't exist |
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| 18:03.40 | edistar | stiv2k: nfs is much more transparent |
| 18:03.50 | stiv2k | edistar: transparent???? |
| 18:03.52 | edistar | stiv2k: but less secure |
| 18:04.03 | debianuser | azeem: ok i will try it brb |
| 18:04.13 | edistar | stiv2k: it is just like a normal dir, acts like one |
| 18:04.47 | Enzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.55 | stiv2k | oh |
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| 18:05.47 | edistar | benjamindees: can you help me? |
| 18:06.28 | benjamindees | edistar, I don't have an ipod; what has changed since you last mounted it successfully? |
| 18:07.03 | edistar | benjamindees: I can't think of anything.. |
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| 18:07.21 | wimpies | Hi all, I have this USB external disk I plug in from time to time. How can I make sure it automounts with udev always to the same location (e.g. /media/MyExternalDisk) ? |
| 18:07.22 | wimpies | [20:06] <ompaul> ikonia, evening |
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| 18:08.07 | msn | wimpies: do you use X? |
| 18:08.20 | wimpies | KDE, yes |
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| 18:09.14 | msn | wimpies: you an load an applet of external storage devices into your bar, and enable hotplugd, so when you plug a USB drive it will ask you to mount it or not and you would be able to chose if you want to or not |
| 18:09.23 | Enzi | How do I login to kill/stop that process thats taking up all the resource when the box doesn't even respond. |
| 18:09.25 | msn | it always mounts at the same location by default |
| 18:09.30 | wimpies | msn : but I need to export the disk over NFS too |
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| 18:09.49 | msn | unless you dont unmount it properly |
| 18:10.05 | ikonia | wimpies: did you wantm e? |
| 18:10.24 | wimpies | msn : yes for X/KDE that works, but it seems the mount point differs from time to time |
| 18:10.27 | wimpies | ikonia : no thx |
| 18:11.13 | pickcoder | why would you use hotplug if udev is installed? |
| 18:11.14 | msn | wimpies: if you unpluf it it wont differ |
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| 18:11.40 | msn | if you remove it after unmounting it wond differ |
| 18:11.54 | msn | if you just unplug it, then it would change |
| 18:12.06 | abrotman | pickcoder: you can't ? |
| 18:12.12 | pickcoder | exactly |
| 18:12.29 | wimpies | msn : it is a mobile disk so yes I unplug it ... |
| 18:12.42 | abrotman | Enzi: it shouhld respond given enough time .. |
| 18:12.46 | msn | wimpies: before unpluggin unmount it |
| 18:13.04 | msn | if you dont unmount it, you would get different mount points always |
| 18:13.30 | pickcoder | Enzi: if you have a runaway process that's swapping excessively, you may have a hard time getting on it |
| 18:13.31 | msn | coz /etc/mtab will keep track of the non existant disk to be still mount |
| 18:13.33 | msn | coz /etc/mtab will keep track of the non existant disk to be still mounted |
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| 18:15.10 | Enzi | there is no prompt |
| 18:15.16 | Enzi | it constantly does that memory msg |
| 18:15.38 | spx2 | how do I do that fastboot thing to not let fsck do stuff |
| 18:15.47 | spx2 | I think it was like "touch fastboot" ? |
| 18:15.48 | Gathond | Enzi: well its probably caught trying to find some process to kill to get some free memory |
| 18:15.49 | spx2 | or smth |
| 18:15.52 | spx2 | I can't remember |
| 18:15.53 | spx2 | anyone ? |
| 18:16.06 | Gathond | Enzi: I think your best bet is to reboot the damn thing |
| 18:16.11 | Enzi | I have |
| 18:16.17 | Enzi | and I get a small period of time |
| 18:16.22 | Enzi | and then it goes back to that |
| 18:16.24 | abrotman | so what is doing this ? |
| 18:16.43 | Gathond | Enzi: then use that short period of time to start top and kill whatever uses all that memory |
| 18:16.44 | Enzi | not sure how may I check |
| 18:16.57 | Enzi | :P i wish I was that quick |
| 18:17.06 | msn | Enzi boot into Single |
| 18:17.17 | msn | Enzi: and start processes one by one |
| 18:17.30 | msn | you will hit the process which bogs you down |
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| 18:17.42 | msn | then just reboot and disable it at boot and boot all the way |
| 18:17.52 | msn | you got all the time to see what happened :D |
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| 18:21.29 | ponyofdeath | hi, i am getting "bad TCP reclen" in dmsg when a debian nfs client is trying to connect to the nfs server. Can someone please help? |
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| 18:23.39 | pickcoder | Enzi: ps ax --sort rss -o pid,cmd,rss | tail |
| 18:23.53 | pickcoder | last entry will be the biggest RSS consumer |
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| 18:26.10 | xand | hmm, what can I do when a network link directly between two machines doesn't work? can I debug it at a lower level than TCP/IP? |
| 18:27.11 | xand | think it must be a cable problem bah |
| 18:28.20 | xand | dodgy crimping-- |
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| 18:30.34 | bkw | I've compiled a new kernel, I'm modifing my menu.lst now. bzImage and System.map are copied to /boot, but should there be a initrd too? menu.lst defines lines like "initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686" |
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| 18:31.12 | Heavy-D | hrmm, how come when I change /etc/network/interfaces for my eth0 interface and go '/etc/init.d/networking restart' it doesn't actually apply the settings to the interface? I had to restart in order for the network settings to take effect. Any ideas? |
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| 18:34.57 | benjamindees | xand, you can look at the link lights |
| 18:35.15 | xand | benjamindees: yes, but they were on :P |
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| 18:35.51 | benjamindees | xand, ifconfig will show interface errors |
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| 18:36.22 | boo | anyone know how to change what option to parse fsck on boot? |
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| 18:37.41 | JasonF | Hey guys -- what's the proper way to set your locales in Etch? I know dpkg-reconfigure locales worked in Sarge but it seems to have changed for Etch. |
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| 18:43.24 | abrotman | JasonF: same |
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| 18:44.07 | pickcoder | and edit /etc/environment to make sure it's correct |
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| 18:50.01 | thand | Can anybody help out my problem...I have a 32 bit machine and 64 bit machine... |
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| 18:50.35 | abrotman | thand: we're going to need more information |
| 18:50.40 | thand | 32 bit machine is connected to internet with ip=192.168.1.110, gw 192.168.1.1 through a wireless connection |
| 18:50.49 | abrotman | oh .. he was getting there :) |
| 18:51.21 | thand | now I would like to connect my 64-bit machine to 32- bit machine and route my internet traffic through 32-bit machine |
| 18:51.33 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 18:51.33 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 18:52.20 | thand | In 64-bit I have RealTek ethernet card in 64-bit and a card from Sis on 32-bit machine...and both are connected through a ethernet cable |
| 18:52.30 | benny-` | Does someone know what the function of "||" is in a bash script? |
| 18:52.51 | xingu | benny-`: logical "or" |
| 18:53.03 | thand | abrotman: ipmasq is fine...but I like some details about assigning the ip and what gw should I use in 64-bit |
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| 18:53.22 | abrotman | thand: does your 32bit box have two nics ? |
| 18:53.24 | xingu | benny-`: lazy eval, rhs evaluated iff lhs !true. |
| 18:53.49 | thand | abrotman: No, one nic, other is wlan usb stick. |
| 18:53.50 | abrotman | like most other programming languages :) |
| 18:54.01 | abrotman | thand: okay .. you could run a dhcpd on your NIC |
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| 18:54.22 | thand | abrotman: I can connect to internet through 32-bit machine... |
| 18:54.36 | xingu | thand: nb, word width has zero impact on ipv4 semantics |
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| 18:55.10 | thand | abrotman: dhcpd is one option...I set the static ip:192.168.1.110 |
| 18:55.23 | thand | abrotman: on 32-bit |
| 18:55.28 | benjamindees | thand, you have lots of options; I guess you don't have access to the wireless gateway (192.168.1.1)? |
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| 18:56.46 | thand | benjamindees: I will explain my scenario. Machine 1, which is 32-bit, connect to internet through wireless lan and has an ip of 192.168.1.110 with gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 18:57.11 | thand | benjamindees: With that, I can connect to internet...upto now, everything is fine. |
| 18:57.54 | thand | benjamindees: Now, I have another 64-bit machine and I would like to have internet too in that machine. |
| 18:58.37 | thand | benjamindees: How can I do that? Both in 32-bit and 64-bit has NIC cards and I have ethernet cable connected to the both. |
| 18:58.42 | benny-` | xingu: f.e. when i type "delgroup test || exit 1" and the group doesnt exist so delgroups exits with 1, will the bash script then exit 1? |
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| 18:59.32 | benjamindees | thand, well your connection is already NATted at the wireless gateway (192.168.1.1) so you can add another NAT at the 32 bit box but it would not be optimal. |
| 19:00.19 | thand | benjamindees: How can I add that? Well, I am not a profi in networking :) |
| 19:00.48 | xingu | benny-`: exit code "1" == false; so in that specific instance the "|| exit 1" *only* serves to terminate flow and is basically redundant (see bash help set, -e flag) |
| 19:01.05 | thand | #+benjamindees: iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:01.16 | thand | benjamindees: iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:01.33 | xingu | benny-`: but yes, the script will terminate with exit code 1. |
| 19:01.38 | thand | benjamindees: That is what I added in 32-bit machine. |
| 19:01.59 | benjamindees | honestly, I would forget about nat, enable ip_forwarding, and set the ip address of the 64 bit machine to 192.168.x.x |
| 19:02.16 | thand | okay. |
| 19:02.19 | benjamindees | with a gateway of 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:02.25 | thand | okay. |
| 19:02.32 | thand | I will set it now to 192.168.1.99 |
| 19:02.32 | benjamindees | enable ip_forwarding on the 32 bit box |
| 19:02.47 | benjamindees | and if the gateway router is set up properly, that should work. |
| 19:02.57 | thand | ip_forwarding, you mean in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward -> 1 |
| 19:03.02 | benjamindees | yes |
| 19:03.17 | thand | okay...I am trying now... |
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| 19:04.31 | pickcoder | thand: does the wireless router have a LAN switch? |
| 19:05.00 | thand | pickcoder: yes, but it is two floors away... |
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| 19:05.24 | Southern | Hi |
| 19:05.26 | xingu | benjamindees: pop quiz; with which destination ethernet address will the gateway (192.168.1.1) address frames directed toward the second (64bit) host |
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| 19:05.53 | benny-` | xingu: Thank you very good explantation |
| 19:07.21 | zinx | !why is network-manager-gnome not in unstable |
| 19:07.21 | dpkg | zinx: I think you lost me on that one |
| 19:07.26 | thand | benjamindees: Still I am little bit confused. How does 32-bit machine can about the traffic from 64-bit machine |
| 19:07.28 | zinx | dpkg: yeah, i seem to have lost everyone. :( |
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| 19:08.01 | thand | benjamindees: Still I am little bit confused. How does 32-bit machine can know about the traffic from 64-bit machine |
| 19:08.14 | zinx | so anyone know where to download the new 'network-manager-applet' package? |
| 19:08.15 | xingu | thand: unless you can convince your gateway to NAT for inside addresses which are *not* within its own local subnet then you will have to NAT on the wired-to-wireless gateway also. |
| 19:08.31 | benjamindees | thand, it doesn't care about outgoing traffic, but as xingu pointed out incoming may be a problem |
| 19:08.35 | zinx | since it's been in new for a week now and seems to not be showing any interest in becoming part of unstable any time soon? :/ |
| 19:09.24 | xingu | thand: so the two topologies are; (1) - assuming the case that your gateway just NAT's everything that turns up addressed to it... |
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| 19:10.00 | xingu | thand: assign 192.168.2.x/24 to the wired leg between the 32bit and 64bit host; and install a static route on the gateway for 192.168.2.x/24 via the wireless-to-wired host. |
| 19:10.26 | xingu | thand: (2) - assuming that the gateway only NAT's source addresses within its own LAN-local subnet... |
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| 19:11.36 | xingu | thand: assign 192.168.2.x/24 to the wired leg between 32bit and 64bit host; and install a NAT (specifically, PAT overload) rule for 192.168.2.x/24 -> 192.168.2.y/32 on the wired-to-wireless host's wireless leg. |
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| 19:11.56 | thand | xingu: I am confused now. |
| 19:12.16 | xingu | thand: the third solution is spend a few bucks on some etheret-over-powerline gear and simplify the topology. |
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| 19:12.33 | thand | xingu: on 32-bit I have 192.168.1.110 and on 64-bit I have 192.168.1.99 |
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| 19:13.07 | thand | xingu: now, how to route traffic to-and-fro from 64-bit |
| 19:13.12 | xingu | thand: right; and so the problem here is that unless the 32bit host is *bridging* rather than routing (and your accesspoint permits this - few do) then that topology won't work. |
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| 19:13.44 | xingu | thand: most access points these days will only forward frames with ether src = associated host. |
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| 19:14.19 | pickcoder | so install bridge-utils and bridge the nic and the wireless |
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| 19:14.33 | xingu | ... and make sure everything is pointing toward mecca. |
| 19:14.37 | CharminTheMoose | are there any flash players for linux? ie, one's that don't have to be integrated into the browser? |
| 19:14.42 | xingu | because you're going to need all the luck you can get |
| 19:15.08 | benjamindees | CharminTheMoose, there is gnash but it is bordering on unusable |
| 19:15.19 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: the fp9 beta had a standalone player |
| 19:15.23 | pickcoder | xingu: it works |
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| 19:15.35 | pickcoder | I tried bridging two wireless cards and two ethernet routes before |
| 19:15.37 | xingu | pickcoder: only on *some* accesspoints |
| 19:15.39 | pickcoder | had some issues there |
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| 19:15.49 | thand | xingu: you assume this topology dont work... |
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| 19:15.57 | phrax | hello folks. the short version is: on an AmdOpteron 2GHZ there is an cpu usage of 44%, but the load average is at 1.55 which is way too high. how can this be when cpu usage is pretty normal? |
| 19:16.02 | xingu | pickcoder: as I said, typical soho kit these days *only* forward ether src=associated 802.11 client src. |
| 19:16.08 | pickcoder | xingu: that's true |
| 19:17.01 | pickcoder | IIRC, if the card is in client mode it won't work |
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| 19:17.21 | xingu | phrax: check si%, hi%, wa% |
| 19:18.05 | phrax | xingu 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si |
| 19:18.11 | xingu | phrax: "load" == # of runnable tasks within some sampling period |
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| 19:18.37 | phrax | xingu, cant follow you |
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| 19:18.56 | xingu | phrax: loadav is just a measure of tasks in a ready to run state over some time interval. |
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| 19:19.20 | ma3x | drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Handspring Visor / Palm OS |
| 19:19.24 | ma3x | what can I do with this? |
| 19:19.28 | phrax | xingu and when its over 1.0 it means there are more tasks than the cpu can handle right now, correct? |
| 19:19.35 | xingu | phrax: tasks can be both ready to run and blocking for any number of reasons; with 0% hi/si I'd suspect thrashing on a mutex |
| 19:19.36 | ma3x | is there a software to transfer files .... ? |
| 19:19.39 | ma3x | it's a cell phone |
| 19:19.46 | CharminTheMoose | thanks xingu |
| 19:20.08 | phrax | thanks xingu |
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| 19:20.28 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: my bodgy-bits src dir hstill has flash-player-standalone-9.0.21.55 in it; google might turn up something. |
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| 19:21.00 | CharminTheMoose | xingu, yeah, i did a quick google and yeah, i think i have the standalone player for FP9 |
| 19:21.32 | CharminTheMoose | 9.0.48 |
| 19:21.57 | xingu | that's current-release (fp9r48) for linux. |
| 19:22.50 | xingu | I only know this offhand because I chased down the betas the other night to get vista x64 playing w/ no stuttering |
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| 19:23.18 | p0lar_ | hello |
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| 19:24.28 | xingu | thand: yes I do assume that topology won't work; the odds are stacked in my favour that building hosta<-lan->hostb<-wlan->ap<-wan-> where hosta,hostb,ap are all in the same ipv4 subnet just plain won't work. |
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| 19:25.26 | xingu | thand: and that's precisely what you're describing; my suggestion either way is to put hosta,hostb in a discrete subnet (192.168.2.x/24) and route or NAT on hostb such that flows src=192.168.2.x are translated to 192.168.1.x |
| 19:25.35 | thand | xingu: I think little bit about it...but with just hardware it will not work...if somebody write a software to accept the traffic from NIC and route it to wlan...then it will work. |
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| 19:26.30 | xingu | thand: you can spray whatever kind of ill addressed crap you like but if the wlan and lan subnets are the same the only way traffic will flow from one to the other is if you're bridging. |
| 19:26.52 | edistar | I mounted my ipod with mount /dev/sde2 /media/ipod as root, how do I change the rights so that a user can rw on it? |
| 19:26.53 | xingu | thand: and as stated, soho accesspoints willl *only* bridge WDS flows |
| 19:27.04 | xingu | thand: at least in the common case. |
| 19:27.16 | thand | xingu: How to setup the bridge?# |
| 19:27.21 | pickcoder | thand: you can always setup a mail and web proxy if thats all you need |
| 19:27.32 | pickcoder | else xingu is right |
| 19:27.36 | xingu | thand: bridge-utils, there's a /usr/share/doc/.../README.Debian.gz in it. |
| 19:27.46 | thand | xingu: okay. |
| 19:28.24 | xingu | thand: nb, the adage goes "route where you can, bridge where you must" and this is no accident. |
| 19:28.26 | pickcoder | thand: you will probably need to run hostap and have it connect to your AP as another AP in order for bridging to work |
| 19:28.29 | thand | xingu: one question, does briding froward ip traffic....okay...this is very primitive question...I know. |
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| 19:29.01 | xingu | thand: bridging takes a given frame-type from one medium and forwards it to another; datalink, not network layer. |
| 19:29.18 | thand | xingu: Okay. |
| 19:29.26 | xingu | thand: it only cares about datalink (in this context - ethernet MAC) addressing. |
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| 19:30.29 | thand | xingu: Do you have any further documentation about bridging? |
| 19:30.57 | thand | xingu: Any good links... |
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| 19:35.19 | junix-other | abrotman: did you find anything out? |
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| 19:35.54 | boo | anyone know how i would go about, of loading a R.I.P cd into a ram drive on boot and boot of that partition to do my disk fsck? |
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| 19:39.36 | abrotman | junix-other: about what? |
| 19:39.43 | junix-other | the zabbix |
| 19:39.52 | junix-other | from etch backports |
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| 19:40.04 | xored | a filename in a dir is that way named, that i cant rename it with "mv file newname". what coudl i do ? |
| 19:40.23 | abrotman | junix-other: i thoughtyou were trying to get libmysql15 ? |
| 19:40.38 | junix-other | that's part of the install |
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| 19:41.00 | junix-other | abrotman: it sas its alraedy installed |
| 19:41.06 | abrotman | okay .. so what's the problem ? |
| 19:42.00 | junix-other | when i go to type in apt-get -t etch-backports install zabbix-server-mysql it gives me all the deps, then says this: |
| 19:42.00 | junix-other | Writing extended state information... Done |
| 19:42.00 | junix-other | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.15 | abrotman | paste the whole thing |
| 19:42.18 | junix-other | here? |
| 19:42.21 | junix-other | or pastebin? |
| 19:42.23 | abrotman | pastebin |
| 19:43.08 | junix-other | http://pastebin.ca/686097 |
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| 19:45.31 | abrotman | junix-other: apt-cache policy zabbix-server-mysql |
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| 19:46.01 | junix-other | not installed, plus its looking at the 1.1.4 |
| 19:46.03 | junix-other | version |
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| 19:47.06 | abrotman | paste it |
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| 19:48.07 | junix-other | http://pastebin.ca/686107 |
| 19:48.36 | abrotman | right .. so no candidate |
| 19:48.40 | junix-other | yeaH |
| 19:48.47 | junix-other | :-( |
| 19:49.28 | junix-other | what does that mean? |
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| 19:49.47 | abrotman | do you have it in your sources ? |
| 19:49.59 | junix-other | yes |
| 19:50.02 | junix-other | the backports? |
| 19:50.03 | junix-other | yes |
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| 19:51.23 | drwahl | i did a base install of debian, and now i want to get a X session up. what packages do i need to install? |
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| 19:51.38 | abrotman | drwahl: which window manager? |
| 19:51.39 | drwahl | i have already install: xserver-xorg and gdm |
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| 19:51.50 | abrotman | drwahl: aptitude install gnome gdm xorg |
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| 19:55.02 | Guerin | rugby's a ball, pass it on |
| 19:55.07 | Saar | ugh I have been noticing that wnck-applet repeatedly every couple of days starts eating up 20+% cpu time and i have to kill it, happened on sarge, also on etch |
| 19:55.44 | Saar | doubtful its related to debian, crappy software design i take it |
| 19:55.55 | Intensity | I'd like to run the intel video driver from testing in Debian 4.0 etch. So what I did was apt-get build-dep, and then I unpacked the testing version of the driver, and started to build from source. However, the build said "Must have X server >= 1.3 source tree for mode setting code. Please specify --with-xserver-source". Any idea on what I might do next to run the intel video drivers in etch? |
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| 19:57.24 | wols | Intensity: get a X backport |
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| 19:57.50 | wols | diafic_: x-window-system plus a wm |
| 19:58.01 | Intensity | wols: I didn't find the intel driver on www.backports.org. Is there another place I might try to find a backport? |
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| 19:58.26 | junix-other | abrotman: what does that no candidate mean? |
| 19:58.41 | abrotman | it means it doesn't know anythinga bouti t |
| 19:58.47 | diafic_ | diafic_, what? |
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| 19:59.23 | wols | Intensity: I didn't say tog et the intel driver from backports, did I? I said to get X from there |
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| 20:00.38 | Intensity | wols: No, you didn't say to get the intel driver from backports. |
| 20:00.44 | drwahl | abrotman: i am getting an error when i try to start gdm: (EE) VESA: No matching modes (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration. |
| 20:01.04 | Intensity | wols: Where are you suggesting that I get X from? |
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| 20:01.22 | drwahl | abrotman: it is an intel video card. i dont need anything fancy, just a very simple gui. |
| 20:01.23 | wols | backports.org? they have 6.9. hope it's good enough |
| 20:01.32 | abrotman | drwahl: use i810 |
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| 20:02.54 | odla | intel is not in 6.9 except as i810 right? |
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| 20:03.28 | drwahl | abrotman: now i am getting "could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 20:03.39 | abrotman | did you install the xorg package ? |
| 20:03.49 | drwahl | ya |
| 20:03.53 | Intensity | wols: Etch is already running xserver-xorg version 7.1.0-19. |
| 20:03.56 | drwahl | wait |
| 20:03.58 | drwahl | lol, no |
| 20:04.00 | ma3x | something is slowing my wlan (while resolving) - /etc/resolv.conf seems fine. any idea what it could be? |
| 20:04.11 | drwahl | abrotman: i guess i installed in on another machine :) i have a few tabs open |
| 20:04.14 | Intensity | wols: And it does not (yet) include the intel driver. When I say intel, I don't mean i810. I really mean the intel driver. |
| 20:04.29 | Intensity | wols: So, 6.9 version of xorg wouldn't be sufficient. |
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| 20:07.48 | ma3x | how do I get the mac of IP in the network? |
| 20:08.36 | drwahl | abrotman: ok, it didnt error this time, but there is no video on the monitor. i was able to log in (without seeing, just typing) and it is working, but i cant see anything |
| 20:09.03 | abrotman | drwahl: sounds like you picked a bad resolution |
| 20:09.20 | drwahl | abrotman: ok, lemme try another reso then |
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| 20:12.55 | wols | Intensity: then all you can do is compile X yourself. good luck there |
| 20:13.32 | wols | drwahl: your X log should tell you res and vsync frequency |
| 20:13.50 | dalias | intensity, you can always run plain fbdev server and vesafb :) |
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| 20:17.23 | jelly | what is rpm equivalent of dpkg --contents? |
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| 20:17.54 | rahul | hrm |
| 20:17.57 | rahul | jelly: -L? |
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| 20:18.51 | jelly | rahul: I want to list the contents of an rpm file. rpm has no -L option. |
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| 20:19.01 | rahul | :\ |
| 20:19.05 | chops | jelly: rpm -ql |
| 20:19.17 | rahul | yeah |
| 20:19.24 | chops | jelly: I think if you want a local file (as opposed to an rpm in the system database), you use rpm -qlf |
| 20:19.28 | rahul | I knew it wasn't just -l |
| 20:19.45 | chops | jelly: But then, it's been a while :-) |
| 20:20.11 | rahul | no, rpm -qlf will print the files in the package that contains the given files, maybe |
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| 20:20.39 | jelly | :-) |
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| 20:21.17 | chops | Intensity: I've had nothing but trouble from the intel driver. Are you sure that the i810 driver won't do what you want? (Not that you would be trying this if you weren't, I guess...) |
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| 20:23.34 | jelly | [...] ah... the contents of the rpm file were other, smaller rpms. blessed is $VENDOR |
| 20:23.49 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 20:24.05 | chops | jelly: And inside those smaller rpms are yet smaller rpms |
| 20:24.10 | chops | jelly: And inside those... PUDDING |
| 20:25.09 | abrotman | jelly: nesting dolls! |
| 20:25.46 | demo_ | I wish to use the fglrx driver in kernel 2.6.21-2-686 I ran into this problem http://www.debianhelp.org/node/8776. could anyone point me in the direction of a workaround? |
| 20:25.53 | chops | jelly: If it helps at all, I learned today that Dell's server management tools (as Debianized unofficially by someone somewhere in .nl, so I can't complain too badly) do not stop their daemons when you purge the package :-( |
| 20:26.09 | jelly | on one hand, it's nice to have provided the software for Linux instead of "HPUX, Solaris and Windows", but still, I don't have a working 64bit RHEL to install it on so I'm playing with my local desktop converted to amd64 for this special occasion |
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| 20:26.14 | [p0lar] | hello |
| 20:26.36 | jelly | chops: dell omsa5 ? |
| 20:26.42 | chops | jelly: Yes |
| 20:26.54 | jelly | chops: w00t, got an url? :-) |
| 20:27.06 | [p0lar] | i'm sorry but im try to compile the kernel because some options there i need to enable and disable but ... im having problems whith initrd ... and when it loads finish whith kernel panic . someone knws why this can happen? |
| 20:27.15 | chops | jelly: A word of warning -- they are not, repeat not, smoothly packaged. See my comment above. |
| 20:27.37 | chops | jelly: I actually couldn't get them to do anything useful at all, which is why I purged them. But I'll dig up the URL for you. |
| 20:27.54 | [p0lar] | /sbin/initrd: 432 canoot open dev console no such file >>> then kernel panic |
| 20:27.55 | jelly | chops: I know my way around broken packages... FFS, I just installed stuff with rpm on a testing machine :-) |
| 20:27.59 | [p0lar] | :x |
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| 20:29.34 | chops | jelly: Anyway, add "deb ftp://ftp.sara.nl/pub/sara-omsa dell sara" to your sources.list. I found out about them from http://linux.dell.com/debian_9g.shtml . I must repeat that I do _not_ recommend them under any circumstances and did not have any success with them at all. |
| 20:29.42 | jelly | chops: there were decent packages of omsa4 from some guy who started on omsa5 and figured it's a sh*tload of work. |
| 20:29.47 | benjamindees | [p0lar], the initrd is all screwed up; I suggest compiling the drivers for your root partition and fs into the kernel. |
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| 20:30.47 | [p0lar] | benjamindees i compile everything from root [what you want to say about fs into the kernel] |
| 20:31.35 | jelly | chops: thanks... I'll unpack them and see what they're made of. :-) |
| 20:31.59 | demo_ | would running a 2.6.22-2 kernel from the sid repo on a Lenny system cause breakage? |
| 20:32.03 | benjamindees | [p0lar], not as modules, but compile ext2/3 and your hd chipset driver into the kernel. |
| 20:32.47 | abrotman | demo_: it could .. only one way to find out :) |
| 20:33.00 | demo_ | OK |
| 20:33.08 | [p0lar] | benjamindees so compile the kernel to my hd chipset inside the kernel configurations is that? |
| 20:33.14 | demo_ | so it's not a ridiculous idea?? |
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| 20:33.54 | benjamindees | [p0lar], select <Y> instead of <M> |
| 20:34.12 | benjamindees | and forget about the ramdisk |
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| 20:35.56 | [p0lar] | benjamindees ok i will try thank you ver much :) |
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| 20:39.38 | [p0lar] | benjamindees im sorry but how can i find the hd chipset driver in the kernel configuration? |
| 20:40.14 | benjamindees | [p0lar], is it a regular ide drive? |
| 20:40.56 | benjamindees | [p0lar], 'lspci' will tell you your chipset |
| 20:40.59 | [p0lar] | ir is one sata hd :x but i install great the debian the problem is to i have wireless here i need to change here a few stuff in kernel |
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| 20:42.00 | [p0lar] | 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation Mobile SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
| 20:42.02 | [p0lar] | 07:00.0 SATA controller: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Con troller (rev 02) |
| 20:42.18 | [p0lar] | probbaly this :x lets me try urg o0 0o |
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| 20:43.18 | abrotman | he might want a kmuto install disc |
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| 20:45.04 | [p0lar] | i dont know :x but to me looks the bios control the hd sata drivers well because i dont have problem whith hd in debian network instalation :x |
| 20:45.37 | benjamindees | I believe it's under the scsi section |
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| 20:47.26 | spx2 | I'm not sure about groups |
| 20:47.33 | spx2 | how do I make a basic group ? |
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| 20:47.37 | spx2 | with basic permissions ? |
| 20:47.51 | [p0lar] | well the default kernel configuration ... works fine here ... im only change the processor and disable some wireles but the initrd keeps dont works looks like :x |
| 20:47.55 | spx2 | I'm pretty sure "basic permissions" may sound a bit odd but uhm ... what would those basic permissions be ? |
| 20:48.19 | spx2 | I want to use adduser to add a user but I must specify the group and I don't know wich group I should use |
| 20:48.25 | spx2 | I want to give him like basic access |
| 20:48.30 | spx2 | to stuff ... |
| 20:49.48 | abrotman | way to be vague |
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| 20:50.15 | spx2 | abrotman: ok uhm , what should I read or ... what do I do ? |
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| 20:50.28 | abrotman | man adduser ? |
| 20:50.40 | abrotman | spx2: you're being vague .. what do you want them to have access to ? |
| 20:50.53 | spx2 | abrotman: I don't really know |
| 20:51.04 | spx2 | abrotman: I want them to have like some kind of shell account |
| 20:51.06 | abrotman | well then .. i don't really know how to help you :) |
| 20:51.12 | abrotman | spx2: then just give them a regular account |
| 20:51.20 | spx2 | abrotman: the problem is I don't really know what they CAN HAVE access to !?! |
| 20:51.32 | spx2 | abrotman: so how do I give a regular account |
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| 20:51.40 | abrotman | man adduser |
| 20:51.58 | spx2 | sudo adduser <username> ? |
| 20:52.03 | spx2 | what password is set as default ? |
| 20:52.06 | spx2 | oh |
| 20:52.09 | spx2 | it lets me enter it |
| 20:52.10 | spx2 | how nice |
| 20:52.38 | abrotman | unix is tricky like that .. making you enter a password for users |
| 20:52.44 | streuner_ | hi abrotman |
| 20:52.50 | spx2 | abrotman: lolz :) |
| 20:52.58 | abrotman | hey streuner_ |
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| 20:54.24 | bosko | Hi, what is wrong with my cronjob? It just doesn't seem to run the script at all ... 0 11 * * * /home/admin/scripts/daily_special.php > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 20:54.57 | spx2 | bosko: were you expecting any output from the script ? |
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| 20:55.03 | bosko | No |
| 20:55.51 | spx2 | bosko: so how do you know if its not running ? |
| 20:55.51 | spx2 | bosko: or if it does anything at all ? |
| 20:55.51 | abrotman | bosko: you're using PHP for system admin scripts ? |
| 20:55.51 | spx2 | bosko: what do you expect it to do ? and what does it do ? |
| 20:55.51 | bosko | Because the script alters a table, and it's not altering it =P |
| 20:55.51 | spx2 | bosko: do you have PHP CLI installed ??? |
| 20:56.01 | spx2 | bosko: do you have php cli installed ? |
| 20:56.01 | epsilon | call the script with php cli |
| 20:56.12 | bosko | Hmm I don't think so |
| 20:56.21 | epsilon | you have to |
| 20:56.28 | bosko | Looking it up now |
| 20:56.46 | spx2 | bosko: hmmm ... if you don't think so , maybe you should use perl , how about that ? :P |
| 20:56.55 | bosko | php -v tells me I have CLI |
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| 20:57.08 | bosko | spx2 - Hmm ... I don't know perl so no, how about that? :P |
| 20:57.30 | spx2 | bosko: stefan@stefan:~$ sudo aptitude search php | grep cli |
| 20:57.31 | spx2 | p php4-cli - command-line interpreter for the php4 scri |
| 20:57.31 | spx2 | p php5-cli - command-line interpreter for the php5 scri |
| 20:57.34 | spx2 | bosko: how about that ? |
| 20:57.51 | bosko | that sir is sexy |
| 20:58.04 | abrotman | bosko: if you hit php<tab><tab> .. do you get anything ? |
| 20:58.07 | spx2 | bosko: so maybe you consider installing one of those huh ? |
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| 21:01.58 | davi | Can you download from youtube? |
| 21:02.01 | davi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.10 | davi | That does not work for me |
| 21:02.23 | spx2 | davi: there is a python script around that knows how to do that for you |
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| 21:03.25 | c_newbie | anyone know how to make raid 10? |
| 21:03.27 | davi | spx2, I have tried youtube-dl but it is not working? What is the name of such script? |
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| 21:03.51 | bosko | Thanks spx2 |
| 21:03.54 | streuner | without " |
| 21:04.05 | streuner | davi: without " |
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| 21:04.22 | davi | spx2, let me try again. thanks |
| 21:04.31 | davi | streuner, let me try again. thanks |
| 21:04.34 | spx2 | davi: I believe there are several on the internets |
| 21:04.42 | davi | ack |
| 21:04.53 | epsilon | c_newbie: man mdadm |
| 21:05.01 | davi | spx2, youtube-dl is a python script |
| 21:05.43 | davi | streuner, Same problem without " Anyway thanks |
| 21:06.36 | spx2 | davi: dude , it's pretty straight-forward,I don't understand where are the problems ... |
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| 21:07.24 | streuner | davi: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 21:08.12 | spx2 | streuner: why dpkg ? |
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| 21:08.40 | Guerin | spx2: why not? |
| 21:08.55 | spx2 | Guerin: well , I just asked out of curiosity |
| 21:09.06 | jelly | !ops r0k on-join spam |
| 21:09.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: r0k on-join spam |
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| 21:09.45 | jelly | thanks |
| 21:10.00 | streuner | http://paste.debian.net/36538 |
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| 21:11.13 | streuner | spx2: do you get the same result? |
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| 21:13.48 | dw | hey hey.. how do i query the packages dependant on an installed package? i see my latest etch pull is bringing in libssh and i'm wondering why |
| 21:13.59 | spx2 | streuner: I had some very bad experiences with installing the latest version of libc6 with aptitude |
| 21:14.00 | streuner | Guerin: do you like this music? http://youtube.com/watch?v=WTe6ZwSAEvg |
| 21:14.06 | dw | er, sid. not etch. |
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| 21:14.23 | streuner | spx2: so whats the output of that command? |
| 21:14.30 | spx2 | dw just uninstall,and install it again and it will list what packages are dependant on it ? |
| 21:14.33 | Guerin | grr, youtube |
| 21:14.47 | streuner | Guerin: uhm, youtube-dl doesnt work... |
| 21:14.47 | dw | spx2: the brute-force approach, i like :) |
| 21:14.55 | dw | i'll try uninstalling it and see what dpkg complains about |
| 21:14.58 | spx2 | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:15.01 | spx2 | ii libc6-dev 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Hea |
| 21:15.05 | spx2 | ii libc6-i686 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimi |
| 21:15.08 | spx2 | :D |
| 21:15.09 | streuner | sounds like lenny |
| 21:15.19 | spx2 | dw: why not use aptitude ? |
| 21:15.25 | spx2 | streuner: probably |
| 21:15.30 | streuner | haha |
| 21:15.39 | Guerin | streuner: well, I'm not going to install crash, sorry. |
| 21:15.42 | spx2 | streuner: I've totally trashed my machine with trying to install the newest libc6 |
| 21:15.53 | spx2 | streuner: why you laughin ? |
| 21:15.54 | dw | i didn't want to uninstall it, i just wanted to see what it was. rpm had a command that could do such a thing. |
| 21:16.06 | Guerin | spx2: because that's what happens when you don't understand what you're doing |
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| 21:16.08 | dw | aah, i see. interactive mode aptitude. |
| 21:16.18 | dw | forgot about that :) |
| 21:16.26 | streuner | spx2: well, thats your own fault then |
| 21:16.29 | pickcoder | dw: apt and aptitude have simluaton modes |
| 21:16.31 | Guerin | streuner: reinstall. |
| 21:16.33 | Guerin | argh |
| 21:16.37 | Guerin | spx2: reinstall. |
| 21:16.55 | spx2 | Guerin: lol ,dude ... was that a joke ? |
| 21:16.59 | Guerin | spx2: nope. |
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| 21:17.08 | spx2 | Guerin: I'll take it as a joke then .. |
| 21:17.21 | TrueDD | Salut ā tous |
| 21:17.25 | spx2 | Guerin: well , I did reinstall to get over the problem anyway |
| 21:17.28 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 21:17.32 | streuner | we dont make jokes about people who need help |
| 21:17.43 | spx2 | TrueDD: dude , speak english ? we don't parlais francais over here okay ? |
| 21:17.45 | Guerin | spx2: you just tore out the beating heart of your OS. Nothing written in C will likely work now. |
| 21:18.21 | spx2 | Guerin: I was aware of that when I tried to hit ls and had no output.so I asked a friend to reinstall |
| 21:18.27 | Guerin | spx2: you might get away with upgrading wholesale to whatever branch your new libc comes from, but on exhibited levels of ignorance that seems unwise. |
| 21:18.52 | spx2 | Guerin: looooooooooooooooooooolz , how would I upgrade ? no command would work |
| 21:18.58 | Guerin | spx2: right. |
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| 21:19.09 | spx2 | Guerin: FOR REAL ! |
| 21:19.12 | TrueDD | spx2, I know, tank you :) |
| 21:19.13 | Guerin | spx2: it CAN work sometimes, but evidently not in your case. |
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| 21:19.43 | streuner | spx2: i must laughing about you, because you didnt know what version you have installed - thats kinda funny, bud also sad |
| 21:19.46 | spx2 | Guerin: looolz , so trying to upgrade my libc6 totally trashed my system ... anyway , it's history now |
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| 21:20.09 | spx2 | streuner: a friend installed it on my machine , I don't care that much what version is installed ... |
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| 21:20.17 | spx2 | streuner: I just do perl so ... that's about it |
| 21:20.27 | Guerin | spx2: not quite ... trying to upgrade shit without reading the fucking install guide or having the faintest clue how a dynamically-linked OS worked is the heart of the problem. |
| 21:20.27 | streuner | trust is good, control is better ;-) |
| 21:20.36 | spx2 | streuner: I am aware debian has some policies with versions etc ... I didn't take the time to read about them ... |
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| 21:20.46 | Guerin | spx2: no politics. |
| 21:20.54 | streuner | spx2: you dont need to |
| 21:21.01 | Guerin | the plain fact is that versions aren't the same |
| 21:21.10 | Guerin | if they were, they wouldn't be different versions, right? |
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| 21:21.41 | spx2 | Guerin: yes , but I'm not really aware how they are different except for the fact that some may have more or less bugs hehe |
| 21:21.45 | spx2 | :D |
| 21:21.48 | streuner | spx2: it wouldnt be a bad idea to just read DFSG, because people should know what kind of idea is behind Debian and what you use |
| 21:22.04 | Guerin | !ig |
| 21:22.05 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 21:22.09 | Guerin | there you go |
| 21:22.20 | spx2 | Guerin: yes maybe I find some time to read that |
| 21:22.48 | streuner | spx2: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 21:23.26 | streuner | spx2: you can read those 2 things and (/msg dpkg sid faq) within 1 hour |
| 21:23.50 | streuner | not THAT hard, even you have not much time |
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| 21:23.55 | mashuuk | Hi |
| 21:24.01 | mashuuk | I am having a problem |
| 21:24.14 | streuner | so ask |
| 21:24.15 | mashuuk | all usb devices are root.root |
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| 21:24.19 | mashuuk | crw-rw---- 1 root root 254, 0 2007-09-07 16:51 /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00 |
| 21:24.26 | mashuuk | after compiling new kernel |
| 21:24.37 | mashuuk | udev handling changed ? |
| 21:24.53 | streuner | why do you are even care? |
| 21:25.12 | mashuuk | I can only download pictures from my camera and export mp3 to Zen from root |
| 21:25.32 | mashuuk | I mean I cant work with usb devices |
| 21:25.34 | mashuuk | if not root |
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| 21:26.22 | spx2 | mashuuk: install sudo.go into /etc/sudoers and allow your usual user rights to whatever you need... |
| 21:26.52 | mashuuk | spx2, well it works with default kernel |
| 21:27.00 | streuner | oh |
| 21:27.03 | mashuuk | spx2, I just want to know whats wrong |
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| 21:27.24 | mbroeker | mashuuk, afaik is nothing wrong. |
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| 21:27.41 | mashuuk | mbroeker, it worked before and works with default kernel |
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| 21:27.50 | pickcoder | it's a kernel conspiracy to prevent users from fulling disk space with pr0n |
| 21:27.59 | pickcoder | s/fulling/filling |
| 21:28.03 | mbroeker | crw-rw---- 1 root root 254, 0 2007-09-07 20:34 /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00 |
| 21:28.04 | mbroeker | crw-rw---- 1 root root 254, 1 2007-09-07 20:34 /dev/usbdev1.1_ep81 |
| 21:28.10 | pickcoder | I'm glad it's friday... |
| 21:28.20 | mashuuk | mbroeker, maybe its not permision.. |
| 21:28.25 | mbroeker | my devices are set to the same perms and everything works fine |
| 21:28.26 | mashuuk | mbroeker, of device |
| 21:28.37 | mashuuk | mbroeker, do you use gphoto2 ? |
| 21:29.09 | mbroeker | mashuuk, ok a proper solution is udev in this case! |
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| 21:29.19 | mashuuk | mbroeker, well i use udev |
| 21:29.33 | mashuuk | mbroeker, and as I said it works with default debian kernel |
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| 21:29.55 | mashuuk | mbroeker, however with my own from > 2.6.21 it doesnt |
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| 21:32.13 | mashuuk | mbroeker, I even renabled deprecated sysfs |
| 21:32.13 | infinity0 | can someone explain why the LVM manager allocates 1073MB of space to a logical volume even though i asked it to allocate 1024mb of space? |
| 21:32.32 | mashuuk | mbroeker, thought its a reasono |
| 21:32.37 | mashuuk | but no.. |
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| 21:33.01 | mbroeker | mashuuk, your user is a plugdev group member? |
| 21:33.20 | mashuuk | yes |
| 21:33.38 | mashuuk | it does work with diffrent kernel correctly |
| 21:34.47 | mbroeker | then your kernel is wrong |
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| 21:35.40 | mashuuk | mbroeker, settings taken from previous kernel from /proc/config.gz |
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| 21:46.08 | mario69 | where does etch hold the ethernet module to device number mapping? |
| 21:46.26 | infinity0 | how do i find out my MAC address through bash? |
| 21:47.44 | mario69 | infinity0, /sbin/ifconfig | grep |
| 21:47.57 | infinity0 | ahh ok thanks :) |
| 21:48.06 | mario69 | or dig in /proc |
| 21:48.08 | davi | How to play a FLV video on Debian etch? |
| 21:48.12 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.36 | Guerin | davi: using mplayer |
| 21:48.46 | Guerin | or vlc or anything else, really |
| 21:48.56 | davi | thanks Guerin |
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| 21:49.15 | Guerin | well, i'm not sure how I deserve thanks for stating the utterly bleeding obvious |
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| 21:49.47 | spx2 | davi: use vixy.net to convert it first |
| 21:49.54 | spx2 | davi: http://vixy.net |
| 21:49.55 | Guerin | bah, no need |
| 21:50.03 | spx2 | Guerin: maybe mplayer has something ... |
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| 21:50.50 | Guerin | Selected video codec: [ffflv] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg Flash video) |
| 21:51.03 | davi | spx2, mplayer seems to work on the FLV. Why should I convert it first? |
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| 21:51.06 | Guerin | yes, it's in ffmpeg, the most common and ubuquitous codec library on the planet |
| 21:51.34 | mario69 | ok, I'll rephrase my questin. Old HW burned a power supply, so I moved the HD to a new hardware (same CPU, same architecture, _different_ NIC). Etch booted OK but _refused_ to configure eth0, even though the correct driver for the new NIC is detected and loaded. I can configure eth1 by hand, but eth0 seems to be reserved somehow. Where do I look? |
| 21:52.06 | Guerin | mario69: weird. you could use nameif or something to force it |
| 21:52.09 | rahul | S T O N E D |
| 21:52.10 | davi | later, I have to watch a video :) |
| 21:52.19 | rahul | stoned: you should be very happy |
| 21:52.45 | mario69 | what is even veirder is, that ifconfig does not even list eth0 as present |
| 21:52.47 | rahul | stoned: check who's opening for Amon Amarth |
| 21:52.53 | troubled | R A H U L |
| 21:53.00 | rahul | stoned: and check out Into Eternity already |
| 21:53.00 | troubled | raaooooooooooul |
| 21:53.08 | spx2 | infinity0: /sbin/ifconfig | perl -ple '/^(.*inet6.*$)/;print $1;$_=""' | grep -v ^$ |
| 21:53.12 | mario69 | it looks as if the previous kernel module got somehow hardwired to eth0 |
| 21:53.14 | rahul | T R B L D |
| 21:53.15 | spx2 | infinity0: here you go, all the macs from your machine |
| 21:53.28 | rahul | I got free tix to the WT show tonight, so my decision has been made for me :P |
| 21:53.28 | infinity0 | spx2: wow, thanks a lot man! |
| 21:53.33 | spx2 | davi: just a suggestion |
| 21:53.41 | Guerin | !tahwtda |
| 21:53.41 | dpkg | There's a Hard Way To Do Anything |
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| 21:54.24 | spx2 | Guerin: :D |
| 21:55.23 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 21:55.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 21:55.51 | rahul | I think my date has another date tonight :\ |
| 21:55.53 | spx2 | rahul: does that have something to do with me ? |
| 21:56.00 | spx2 | lolz |
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| 21:56.59 | rahul | spx2: does what? |
| 21:57.30 | rahul | When we start killing, it all will be falling down |
| 21:57.37 | rahul | from the hell that we're in, all we are is fading away |
| 21:58.45 | spx2 | do I have reverse-i-search in irssi ? |
| 21:58.50 | rahul | hahaha |
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| 21:59.02 | rahul | spx2: there's /lastlog, but that messes up the scrollback |
| 21:59.17 | rahul | well, it spams the window... |
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| 21:59.55 | infinity0 | can someone explain why the LVM manager allocates eg 1073MB of space to a logical volume even though i asked it to eg allocate 1024mb of space? |
| 22:00.05 | rahul | but... you can run it from another window and ask it to search a specified window |
| 22:00.12 | rahul | manager manager? |
| 22:00.30 | rahul | logical LVM manager, I ITYM mean. |
| 22:00.54 | rahul | infinity0: that's probably the block size of that drive |
| 22:01.08 | rahul | er, not block, but maybe cylinder |
| 22:01.09 | spx2 | rahul: so what the f*** do I do ? |
| 22:01.16 | rahul | spx2: MOSH |
| 22:01.21 | spx2 | rahul: I seem to have developed a dependency on readline, it's like so cool :D |
| 22:01.27 | infinity0 | but if i ask it to do 36gb, it does 38.7 gb, but when i ask it to do 35 gb it does 37.6gb |
| 22:01.42 | infinity0 | why doesn't it do 37.6gb when i ask it to do 36gb? that's closer surely? |
| 22:01.42 | infinity0 | :S |
| 22:01.58 | rahul | infinity0: because you don't know how to divide by 1024? |
| 22:02.10 | infinity0 | :/ i do... |
| 22:02.16 | rahul | and DID you? |
| 22:02.18 | infinity0 | yes |
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| 22:02.29 | linuxftw | Would somebody be able to help me setup networking in debian? |
| 22:02.36 | ma3x | why is the host resolving in linux so slow? |
| 22:02.39 | rahul | linuxftw: man interfaces, to start |
| 22:02.43 | rahul | ma3x: because it's not |
| 22:02.43 | dondelelcaro | are we talking about gibibytes or gigabytes here? |
| 22:02.54 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: your nameservers suck, is the general reason |
| 22:03.05 | ma3x | rahul, it is! I am using the same nameserver. and its instant in windows |
| 22:03.15 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, my nameserver is great |
| 22:03.29 | ma3x | how can you say that? |
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| 22:03.30 | rahul | maybe your ISP hates linux |
| 22:03.32 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: so dig @foonamserver foohostyourresolving; |
| 22:03.49 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: if it takes time to return, windows is caching the result, not actually calling the nameserver. |
| 22:03.52 | rahul | it detects linux running and slows down the name server's response |
| 22:04.22 | ma3x | dondelelcaro, I cleared the cache it can't be caching it |
| 22:04.22 | dkr | no network neutrality? ;) |
| 22:04.30 | ma3x | rahul, that's possible? |
| 22:04.33 | rahul | ma3x: sure |
| 22:04.38 | dkr | ma3x: no. he was joking |
| 22:04.38 | spx2 | linuxftw: use dhclient or like network-setup ? |
| 22:04.39 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: of course it can be. |
| 22:04.45 | mario69 | GRRRRRR!!!!! found it. /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 22:04.47 | ma3x | why would the wi-fi do that? |
| 22:04.48 | linuxftw | network-setup? |
| 22:04.52 | rahul | dkr: you mean, yes. I was joking. |
| 22:05.02 | ma3x | hey rahul are you kidding? |
| 22:05.09 | spx2 | linuxftw: uhm I think that's on knoppix |
| 22:05.10 | rahul | ma3x: because your router is the dns server? |
| 22:05.11 | dkr | ma3x: check /etc/nssswitch.conf in there is wheer it is configured as to which system is used to look up host queries. perhaps you have something before dns other than file, like nis |
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| 22:05.30 | stoned | luhar |
| 22:05.33 | ma3x | rahul, yes it is. how would that detect my linux? |
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| 22:05.47 | rahul | ma3x: and on windows, is it? |
| 22:05.50 | dondelelcaro | or you have a nameserver which isn't the right nameserver listed first. |
| 22:05.53 | ma3x | rahul, is it what? slow? |
| 22:05.55 | dkr | er /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 22:05.58 | rahul | the name server |
| 22:06.07 | ma3x | is it what/ |
| 22:06.17 | rahul | stoned: into eternity opening for edguy. sept 16. |
| 22:06.17 | ma3x | it's very fast in windows |
| 22:06.25 | stoned | edguy |
| 22:06.27 | stoned | ehe |
| 22:06.31 | rahul | stoned: decapitated opening for amon amarth. dec 3. |
| 22:06.32 | rahul | heh |
| 22:06.38 | rahul | yeah, they'll be fun live, tho |
| 22:06.53 | spx2 | how do I learn networking ? |
| 22:06.58 | spx2 | what do I do to learn it ? |
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| 22:07.06 | ma3x | dkr, hosts: files dns |
| 22:07.06 | ma3x | networks: files |
| 22:07.08 | rahul | spx2: open your mind |
| 22:07.21 | mario69 | spx2, read Linux Networking HOWTO for starters |
| 22:07.23 | dkr | ma3x: that looks correct |
| 22:07.27 | ma3x | so why is it so slow ? |
| 22:07.28 | stoned | rahul: ok, I'm gonna go see decapitated :) |
| 22:07.31 | stoned | msg |
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| 22:07.32 | rahul | heh |
| 22:07.36 | Throat | spx2: and stop putting blanks in front of interpunctation :) |
| 22:07.39 | ma3x | I wait like 3 secs for the resolves |
| 22:07.45 | ma3x | instead of instanteniously |
| 22:07.46 | rahul | stoned: check out into eternity, tho. they're pretty good. |
| 22:07.49 | stoned | msg |
| 22:07.57 | rahul | no, Rush is playing at MSG. |
| 22:07.58 | linuxftw | Could somebody help me with installing my graphics drivers? The NVIDIA installer tells me there is no 'kernel interface' |
| 22:08.02 | rahul | heh |
| 22:08.06 | ma3x | can it be fixed or no way? |
| 22:08.07 | stoned | im in no mood to get yelled at cuz you make me talk off topic |
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| 22:08.09 | stoned | asshole |
| 22:08.10 | stoned | :) |
| 22:08.13 | dkr | ma3x: /etc/resolv.conf has the correct name server first in the list? |
| 22:08.14 | pickcoder | ma3x: what is in resolv.conf? |
| 22:08.18 | Throat | ma3x: check if you have a non-working dns in the list of dns hosts... |
| 22:08.26 | rahul | I gotta go in a sec anyway |
| 22:08.31 | ma3x | yes |
| 22:08.32 | stoned | peace |
| 22:08.33 | ma3x | nameserver 10.1.46.1 |
| 22:08.42 | ma3x | that's the gateway (router) |
| 22:08.42 | DawnLight | linuxftw: don't use that. i hope it didn't do any damage |
| 22:08.46 | rahul | RR records put me on the list +1 for WT. |
| 22:08.50 | ma3x | windows lists/uses the same nameserver |
| 22:08.58 | ma3x | I tried different nameservers as well |
| 22:09.03 | linuxftw | DawnLight, what can I do to install the graphics drivers then? |
| 22:09.04 | ma3x | it always goes slow |
| 22:09.11 | rahul | ma3x: ipv6? |
| 22:09.15 | ma3x | it's not the nameserver, it's something else. but i dont know what |
| 22:09.18 | ma3x | rahul, it's blacklisted |
| 22:09.26 | rahul | hrm? |
| 22:09.28 | ma3x | oh ohld on, it's not |
| 22:09.29 | ma3x | wait |
| 22:09.33 | DawnLight | linuxftw: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 22:09.41 | linuxftw | thanks :) |
| 22:09.45 | DawnLight | linuxftw: and do it the debian-way |
| 22:09.48 | stoned | !tell linuxftw -about nvidia |
| 22:09.49 | ma3x | hm, I've placed a #blacklist ipv6 |
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| 22:09.56 | ma3x | damn, is that the reason? |
| 22:10.08 | ethang | join #csound |
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| 22:10.10 | ethang | oops |
| 22:10.22 | rahul | grr. this chick better show up. I'm turning down Julia for her. |
| 22:10.28 | DawnLight | friends, does anyone know where i can learn about the email format? |
| 22:10.33 | ma3x | rahul, is it because of ipv6 loaded? |
| 22:10.37 | rahul | ma3x: maybe |
| 22:10.43 | ma3x | how do I unload it |
| 22:10.46 | ma3x | do I have to reboot? |
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| 22:10.52 | Throat | DawnLight: telnet localhost 25 :) |
| 22:10.57 | [p0lar] | hello |
| 22:10.57 | rahul | it'll probably load up again if you reboot |
| 22:11.05 | Throat | DawnLight: then "help" |
| 22:11.05 | ma3x | rahul, I'll blacklist it |
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| 22:11.32 | DawnLight | i don't serve telnet, sorry :) |
| 22:11.40 | Throat | DawnLight: or what is an "email format"? |
| 22:11.50 | Throat | DawnLight: oh yes, you do on port 25 on localhost |
| 22:11.51 | [p0lar] | can someone tell to me why the kminitrd is not working :x im using mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22.6 2.6.22.6 |
| 22:11.51 | rahul | the child without a name grew up to be the hand |
| 22:12.00 | rahul | to watch you, to shield you, or kill on demand |
| 22:12.04 | DawnLight | you know, the message format |
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| 22:12.14 | rahul | the choice he'd made he could not comprehend |
| 22:12.15 | Throat | DawnLight: ASCII text :) |
| 22:12.21 | rahul | his blood a grim secret they had to command |
| 22:12.23 | DawnLight | hmm... seems like i do |
| 22:12.29 | Throat | DawnLight: no, I obviously dont know what you mean |
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| 22:12.39 | Throat | DawnLight: port 25 == email |
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| 22:12.47 | Throat | DawnLight: port 25 == SMTP, to be more precise |
| 22:12.48 | spx2 | Throat: I don't want to ! okay ? |
| 22:12.54 | DawnLight | the email message protocol. the rfc thing |
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| 22:13.43 | Throat | spx2: no, that's not ok!!!!!!11111234 |
| 22:13.53 | linuxftw | rfc 821 == SMTP |
| 22:14.10 | karsten | linuxftw: 2821 |
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| 22:14.35 | karsten | linuxftw: Superscedes 821. Also 2822 for message format. |
| 22:14.36 | rahul | stoned: is tonight the only night you have to go out this in the next week? |
| 22:14.39 | linuxftw | Thats the updated one, I know |
| 22:14.40 | DawnLight | yes, those things |
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| 22:15.06 | DawnLight | i need to learn about the format... regrettebly |
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| 22:15.28 | ma3x | rahul, works great now thanks! |
| 22:15.34 | rahul | hmm |
| 22:15.37 | pickcoder | www.rfc.net |
| 22:15.50 | rahul | I'm gonna have to buy a WT shirt tonight for Epica on Sunday |
| 22:16.03 | DawnLight | and then learn some php and some Drupal API and some gmail bugs |
| 22:16.07 | rahul | www.penix.net |
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| 22:16.10 | pickcoder | general SMTP isn't that complicated |
| 22:16.18 | linuxftw | lol, its about 10 commands |
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| 22:18.47 | pickcoder | IRC is an interesting protocol |
| 22:19.00 | infinity0 | how big should my swap file big compared to RAM? |
| 22:19.09 | linuxftw | 50000000 times as big |
| 22:19.16 | infinity0 | srsly though? |
| 22:19.20 | infinity0 | twice as big? 4x as big? |
| 22:19.35 | pickcoder | infinity0: there is no swap rule since 2.4, IIRC |
| 22:19.57 | karsten | infinity0: Rule of Thumb == 2x as big. |
| 22:20.05 | stoned | rahul: white widow.. scorched. |
| 22:20.05 | infinity0 | right ok, thanks :) all i needed ^_^ |
| 22:20.15 | stoned | Dun Dun Dun! |
| 22:20.19 | cloakable | Unless RAM = >1.5GB |
| 22:20.22 | pickcoder | karsten: so if I have 8GB of RAM I need 16GB of swap? |
| 22:20.24 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:20.27 | karsten | infinity0: I like to do multiple swap partitions, to 2x max system RAM, sized to current RAM. |
| 22:20.43 | infinity0 | karsten: ahh ok, on separate hard drives i take it? |
| 22:20.43 | stoned | I don't think you would need swap with 8gb of ram for a desktop pc |
| 22:20.46 | cloakable | Then you get that lovely problem where Linux prefers swap over RAM |
| 22:20.48 | spx2 | what hardware do I need to play at home and learn some networking ? |
| 22:20.50 | pickcoder | stoned: exactly |
| 22:20.52 | stoned | then again why a desktop pc would have 8gb is beyond me |
| 22:20.53 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:20.53 | spx2 | I need to make a list |
| 22:20.54 | spx2 | with stuff |
| 22:20.57 | spx2 | and buy it |
| 22:21.04 | spx2 | can you give like suggestions ? |
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| 22:21.08 | pickcoder | stoned: I have a server here with 4GB and it never swaps or uses all of the RAM |
| 22:21.14 | stoned | pickcoder: dude |
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| 22:21.18 | pickcoder | so it's pointless to waste 8GB of disk space |
| 22:21.18 | stoned | fuck 4gb |
| 22:21.30 | stoned | I have ONE measely GB of ram, and I never used swap |
| 22:21.32 | stoned | EVER! |
| 22:21.37 | pickcoder | this is an ERP server |
| 22:21.40 | stoned | it just never gets used |
| 22:21.42 | karsten | pickcoder: 16 GB is about $10 worth of storage. It's about $8000 worth of memory. |
| 22:21.43 | stoned | i love linux |
| 22:21.44 | pickcoder | it's not a personal web server |
| 22:21.44 | rahul | EVAH! |
| 22:21.58 | stoned | and windows users are all about finding and paying for software that frees up their ram |
| 22:22.03 | stoned | they like to look at their free ram a lot |
| 22:22.04 | cloakable | Heh |
| 22:22.13 | spx2 | rahul: please help with some suggestions |
| 22:22.18 | stoned | hey lookit me, I bought all this ram so i could look at it, and not use it |
| 22:22.18 | linuxftw | lol, isn't windows meant to free up ram? :P |
| 22:22.23 | stoned | bah, pish tosh |
| 22:22.25 | epsilon | swap size depends how many % of ram is really used... if 2GB installed and only <1GB used, it's totaly pointless to use 4GB swap |
| 22:22.28 | rahul | spx2: read stuff |
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| 22:22.36 | karsten | pickcoder: swap helps balance out the kernel VM system. Stuff that's swapped out isn't in memory and makes your system more capable. Stuff that is *swapping* slows you down and indicates you need more memory (or fewer apps / processes / smaller data spaces). |
| 22:22.55 | stoned | yeh |
| 22:22.58 | stoned | rahul: you heard karsten |
| 22:23.01 | stoned | ? |
| 22:23.04 | stoned | did you read that |
| 22:23.10 | stoned | You sir, need more ram. |
| 22:23.14 | rahul | heh |
| 22:23.18 | spx2 | rahul: no it doesn't work like that ... "read stuff" ... can you be more specific ? do I deserve that kind of answer ? |
| 22:23.24 | karsten | epsilon: For that point in time when you _do_ need the additional swap, you've got it, and you've bought time to clean up stuff rather than unleashing the OOM killer to randomly nuke processes. |
| 22:23.25 | rahul | buy.com has a huge deal on 2 GB DDR 2 |
| 22:23.26 | infinity0 | lol i like how one simple question has spawned a huge argument :P |
| 22:23.31 | stoned | rahul: what? |
| 22:23.36 | infinity0 | SORRY PEOPLE!!! *ducks stones* |
| 22:23.44 | karsten | infinity0: It's a frequently iterated discussion. |
| 22:23.51 | karsten | infinity0: ... with much misunderstanding. |
| 22:23.54 | infinity0 | aye |
| 22:23.57 | pickcoder | infinity0: there is no simple answer |
| 22:23.57 | rahul | $84 for Patriot low latency 2GB DDR2 800 |
| 22:24.00 | stoned | rahul: DDR2 800Mhz PC6400 2x 1GB == 75$ no tax 6$ shipping on new egg |
| 22:24.01 | pickcoder | it depends on your application |
| 22:24.07 | infinity0 | meh, true |
| 22:24.10 | stoned | rahul: CAS4 |
| 22:24.13 | rahul | stoned: low latency? |
| 22:24.14 | spx2 | rahul: ? |
| 22:24.21 | stoned | rahul: CAS4 |
| 22:24.22 | rahul | stoned: which brand? |
| 22:24.28 | stoned | Corsair XMS2 |
| 22:24.38 | karsten | This is one of the best discussions of swap and its utility in Linux, from kernel coder Martin Pool: http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/software/linux-kernel/swap.html |
| 22:24.43 | rahul | this product is $100 on newegg |
| 22:24.47 | DawnLight | i have 2gb, they're currently 158mb free and swap is empty |
| 22:24.50 | stoned | rahul: Micron D9 ICs |
| 22:24.56 | karsten | "Is Swap Space Obsolete?" (Hint: no). |
| 22:25.05 | rahul | patriot usually uses good chips... |
| 22:25.15 | stoned | micron d9 is the top of the crop atm |
| 22:25.18 | rahul | but yeah, corsair does to on xms2 |
| 22:25.22 | pickcoder | too much swap can cause your system to hang itself when a bad program runs wild with a memory hole |
| 22:25.25 | karsten | DawnLight: Install syststat and watch your swap utilization over the course of a week or so. |
| 22:25.46 | karsten | DawnLight: Swap is like /tmp. It's there for when you need it. You're buying insurance against low-free-memory events. |
| 22:25.49 | rahul | I dunno what to do about my scsi, tho :\ |
| 22:25.53 | [p0lar] | iÂī m sorry the trouble and disturb you guys but i really need here :x i got one new pc stoped for one moth after wait 3 years to have it ... and i need to compile the kernel to enable the wireless and something is not working here im desesperated :x |
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| 22:26.14 | karsten | pickcoder: No, that's a problem of 1) insufficent memory or 2) badly coded software. |
| 22:26.14 | DawnLight | nice to know thanks |
| 22:26.15 | stoned | rahul: what are you doing tonight? |
| 22:26.23 | pickcoder | karsten: it's #2 |
| 22:26.25 | rahul | stoned: free tix to see within temptation |
| 22:26.34 | pickcoder | but atleast the kernel could attempt to kill it if it ran out of swap |
| 22:26.35 | rahul | you probably wouldn't like them |
| 22:26.42 | manu_hack | anyone knows of good package for drawing different kinda charts? |
| 22:26.45 | pickcoder | unless you have 20GB of swap |
| 22:26.55 | karsten | pickcoder: Swap isn't the problem. It's doing what it's supposed to be doing. The program should either be ulimited to less memory, or be fixed to be more efficient. |
| 22:27.06 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 22:27.20 | karsten | pickcoder: The OOM killer is invoked when you've preallocated too much memory. |
| 22:27.42 | pickcoder | ok |
| 22:28.13 | pickcoder | it's friday.. time to go home |
| 22:28.21 | karsten | Anyhow, the usual rule of thumb on swap is "twice ram for a reasonable system, up to say, twice of what a pretty beefy system might be". So: 2x RAM to about 8GB. |
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| 22:28.27 | karsten | ... which will change next year. |
| 22:28.39 | karsten | I've got hosts with 128GB + RAM on them. No, they don't have 256GB swap. |
| 22:28.42 | Throat | cloakable: why should linux prefer swap over ram ever? |
| 22:28.48 | linuxftw | Why do I get "Installation of the nvidia-kernel-source source failed" when using m-a auto-install nvidia, in this guide http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers? |
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| 22:29.33 | karsten | In some cases, more RAM than disk. Which may have an influence on the swap allocation at provisioning time. |
| 22:29.43 | Throat | manu_hack: inkscape for general vectorgraphics needs? |
| 22:29.49 | cloakable | Throat: If you have more than 1.5GB RAM, and you make swap = 1.5xRAM, linux will prefer the swap for some reason. I have no idea why. |
| 22:30.11 | karsten | cloakable: Um, sorry? |
| 22:30.13 | Throat | cloakable: sounds weird... |
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| 22:30.36 | [p0lar] | ok ... thanks anyway :) |
| 22:31.25 | Throat | [p0lar]: would help if you asked a real question, I guess |
| 22:32.22 | Throat | [p0lar]: I mean... if I just told you "something here is not working", what advice would YOU give ME? |
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| 22:32.40 | grendal_prime | ive filled up the drive on this damn server again some how...grrrr |
| 22:32.52 | [p0lar] | Throat mkinitrd is not working :x |
| 22:32.53 | grendal_prime | trying to find the largest file on there... |
| 22:33.01 | Throat | grendal_prime: just backup to /dev/null and erase everything afterwards :) |
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| 22:33.36 | Throat | grendal_prime: try gdmap |
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| 22:33.48 | grendal_prime | ya, that sounds like a shitty thing to do actually...im using find . -printf '%s %p\n'|sort -nr|head |
| 22:33.54 | grendal_prime | whats gdmap? |
| 22:34.13 | Throat | grendal_prime: graphical tool to show you your diskusage... pretty canny |
| 22:34.14 | linuxftw | Does anybody know how I can fix my problem? |
| 22:34.30 | grendal_prime | ya this server has no desktop on it.. |
| 22:34.42 | Throat | grendal_prime: well, there is such a thing as ssh |
| 22:35.00 | Throat | grendal_prime: and X11-forwarding |
| 22:35.16 | grendal_prime | that box is on a netework that only the windows boxes can connect to..thats getting complicated |
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| 22:35.23 | Throat | [p0lar]: well, that was still like "my car is not working" |
| 22:35.55 | Throat | !ask |
| 22:35.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 22:37.02 | linuxftw | Ahhh, why are nvidia drivers so hard to install... :( |
| 22:37.26 | odla | linuxftw: because you should have bought an intel card |
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| 22:38.19 | Mathiazz | hi all, do you known an NFS Client for windows? |
| 22:38.24 | Throat | grendal_prime: well, then it's probably not for you :) still, I normally use du -ks * |sort -n , moving my way to the big files |
| 22:38.29 | [p0lar] | Throat i start to talk about i need kernel compilation then talk error in initrd looks like ... no problem many try here and nathing ... looks it really probably is not suport working on debian or somethng what i need to do |
| 22:38.39 | odla | Mathiazz: you're joking? |
| 22:38.48 | odla | Mathiazz: this is #debian not #windows |
| 22:38.54 | stiv2k | hi... how is it that lirc is not installed yet my remote control on my laptop works w/ volume and a couple others |
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| 22:39.20 | Throat | "talk error in initrd"? |
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| 22:39.50 | Mathiazz | odla it s not a joke, i would like install a NFSV4 server on my debian, but i m not that it will work with windows |
| 22:40.47 | Throat | Mathiazz: install samba? |
| 22:40.48 | [p0lar] | Throat kernel panic |
| 22:41.27 | Mathiazz | Throat: yes , but i will prefer nfs ... |
| 22:41.30 | [p0lar] | paths that dont work ... tuturials that say one thing others that say other thing and nathing works lol |
| 22:41.39 | Throat | [p0lar]: why do you need to compile a kernel anyways? Normally it's enough to compile the kernel-module... |
| 22:42.05 | [p0lar] | Throat to can have wireless if not i $ one desktop |
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| 22:42.23 | Throat | ? |
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| 22:43.32 | jkl_ | Hi u guys... Somebody knows what happened with mysql-administrator on unstable? |
| 22:44.12 | spx2 | !seen someone |
| 22:44.12 | dpkg | someone <i=foobar@p54A5E970.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 302d 22h 26m 7s ago, saying: 'vegans are crazy'. |
| 22:44.15 | spx2 | !seen rpetre |
| 22:44.15 | dpkg | rpetre <~petre@83.166.220.142> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 66d 6h 38m 58s ago, saying: 'hi, i'm interesting in convincing the bts (or querybts) to display the bugs that apply only to the version in experimental of a special package, where's the best documentation of the bts interface?'. |
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| 22:45.10 | jkl_ | khronos, co? |
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| 22:45.31 | linuxftw | I really need to get my graphics drivers sorted, but every time I try to install it, I get the error: "Instillation of the nvidia kernel-source source failed", what can I do? |
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| 22:46.12 | Iradigalesc | Why locale in python don't allow me to ser the en_US locale in Debian etch? |
| 22:46.21 | Iradigalesc | sorry; debian lenny |
| 22:46.32 | jkl_ | Somebody knows why Mysql-administrator is not in repositories (all that I've seen) |
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| 22:46.43 | [p0lar] | lets me see if is this one :x llol |
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| 22:48.06 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 22:48.21 | linuxftw | Nobody got any suggestions on what I could do to fix this graphics card problem? :S |
| 22:48.26 | marinosi | hello..Having a dvd img in a file ( dd if=/dev/acd0 of=file bs=4096) , can I rip this image to avi? (its a movie) |
| 22:48.39 | marinosi | If yes how could I? |
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| 22:49.28 | Juerd | Where did the xen kernels go in sid (or lenny)? |
| 22:49.50 | jkl_ | linuxftw, what is it? |
| 22:50.15 | linuxftw | Im having problems installing nvidia drivers |
| 22:50.34 | linuxftw | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 22:51.10 | linuxftw | In the "install the kernel module" section |
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| 22:51.54 | jkl_ | linuxftw, http://www.linux.com.co/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=28&topic=9.0 |
| 22:52.10 | jkl_ | linuxftw, spanish... but commands are the same :p |
| 22:53.00 | jkl_ | linuxftw, read the second part... for the "last" drivers... |
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| 22:53.05 | linuxftw | Nope: apt-get says there is no package |
| 22:53.22 | odla | !nvidia one-liner |
| 22:53.22 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. 1.0.9xxx drivers are in unstable. |
| 22:53.29 | odla | linuxftw: have you tried that? |
| 22:53.51 | linuxftw | I will |
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| 22:53.59 | odla | linuxftw: are you on etch? |
| 22:54.14 | linuxftw | no |
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| 22:54.21 | odla | linuxftw: what are you running? |
| 22:54.28 | linuxftw | Debian |
| 22:54.30 | Juerd | Where did the xen kernels go in sid (or lenny)? |
| 22:54.42 | odla | linuxftw: what branch? |
| 22:54.53 | linuxftw | the stable release |
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| 22:55.06 | odla | linuxftw: ok that's etch ... then that one-liner should work |
| 22:55.13 | linuxftw | ok |
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| 22:57.09 | linuxftw | Nope it fails |
| 22:57.20 | linuxftw | Coulden't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 |
| 22:57.23 | Juerd | ping |
| 22:57.53 | jkl_ | linuxftw, try to check your sourcelist /etc/apt/sourcelist |
| 22:58.37 | linuxftw | it only contains one of the Debian pre-compiled binary DVDs, is that right? |
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| 22:59.03 | jkl_ | linuxftw, no... |
| 22:59.22 | linuxftw | Ah I think I seee, the installer commented out the URLs which stuff could be downloaded from |
| 22:59.23 | jkl_ | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 22:59.23 | jkl_ | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 22:59.31 | linuxftw | yeah, its there, just commented |
| 22:59.54 | jkl_ | k... un-comment it |
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| 23:00.18 | jkl_ | linuxftw, and comment dvd source |
| 23:00.24 | linuxftw | Ok |
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| 23:01.16 | jkl_ | linuxftw, follow the guide (up) but, firt update your sourcelist and then updgrade |
| 23:01.19 | foug_ | i tried doing a netinstall of debian but i failed and now i want to remove it, there is no GUI, how can i delete the partition? |
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| 23:01.58 | Ein | any recommendations on usb cameras that are supported under etch? |
| 23:02.15 | Ein | i have a quickcam Express but its low res and needs the drivers built |
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| 23:03.46 | jkl_ | foug_, http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/6/234/ |
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| 23:04.47 | foug_ | jkl_: i want to uninstall, remove it completly |
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| 23:05.41 | jkl_ | ...yep, read for a bit. (sorry) |
| 23:05.53 | foug_ | i don't even see the world uninstall on there ;x |
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| 23:06.56 | micky | hello, i was wondering if anyone actually got linux running on a digital photo frame :) ( i've seen alot of DIY`s on making one using linux but not the other way around ) |
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| 23:07.49 | Guerin | micky: they call it a `laptop' |
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| 23:08.57 | linuxftw | jkl_: The http://ftp.debian.org/debian server for apt-get won't work. "Coulden't stat source package list [a url] - stat, no such file or directory" |
| 23:09.08 | Kevin` | micky do you have a specific device in mind? it depends mostly on what cpu and hardware the thing has |
| 23:09.13 | abrotman | linuxftw: show the whole source line |
| 23:09.36 | b_jonas | good. I've done a full backup to dvd |
| 23:09.44 | micky | Guerin really now, i'm wondering if anyone tried flashing one with a linux based rom and adding an usb hub for the keyboard and ethernet interface |
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| 23:10.11 | abrotman | micky: tried asking ##linux ? |
| 23:10.12 | linuxftw | W: Coulden't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org main/contrib Packages /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.or_debian_dists_main_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages) - Stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:10.28 | micky | abrotman yep that`s where i asked the first time.. everyone ignored me :) |
| 23:10.41 | micky | Kevin` just curious to be honest.. i just got one that i will place in my car as an lcd and was wondering if i could make it do more :) |
| 23:11.01 | Kevin` | micky see, so you DO have a specific device, what cpu does it have, to start? |
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| 23:11.53 | Kevin` | heh, most of those DIY ones seem to use unnecessarily powerful hardware like a pc motherboard and lcd monitor :/ |
| 23:11.56 | linuxftw | This is after apt-get update which fails aswell |
| 23:11.58 | Kevin` | wonder why |
| 23:12.10 | abrotman | linuxftw: from /etc/apt/sources.list .. whta's the source line ? |
| 23:12.21 | micky | Kevin` Avision PF-A2 digital photo frame.. it should have at least a 3-400 mhz cpu since it plays any kind of xvid / divx codec encoded movie |
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| 23:12.37 | abrotman | so you don't have the real specs either ? |
| 23:12.49 | linuxftw | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian main contrib AND deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian main contrib |
| 23:12.55 | micky | abrotman nope and i cant find it on the net either |
| 23:13.00 | Kevin` | micky not the speed, the architecture and whether it has an mmu, runs 32bit code, etc. |
| 23:13.01 | abrotman | linuxftw: is that really what it says ? |
| 23:13.05 | Kevin` | in other words, open it |
| 23:13.09 | linuxftw | Yes |
| 23:13.24 | Ein | can someone do me a favor and build the qc-usb package for me? |
| 23:13.27 | micky | Kevin` ah gonna have to research that then thanks |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | linuxftw: what country are you in ? |
| 23:13.35 | linuxftw | I updated it a sec ago, it wasn't originally like that though |
| 23:13.40 | Ein | my laptop where i have my build environment got stolen |
| 23:13.41 | linuxftw | Uk |
| 23:13.58 | jkl_ | linuxftw, are u running in 64 or 32? |
| 23:14.02 | linuxftw | 64 |
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| 23:14.37 | abrotman | linuxftw: etch or what ? |
| 23:14.45 | Kevin` | micky I think hackaday has an article on doing this to some specific model of picture frame, but I can't seem to find a link to it, and it would either be device specific or replacing compoments, so probably not useful |
| 23:14.48 | linuxftw | etch (if its the stable release then yes) |
| 23:14.59 | abrotman | linuxftw: deb http://the.earth.li/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | linuxftw: deb-src http://the.earth.li/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 23:15.13 | abrotman | linuxftw: comment out the others (except your security line) |
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| 23:15.34 | micky | Kevin` thanks i'll search their archives then, as long as it does not need any hw replacements it should be ok :) |
| 23:16.03 | Kevin` | micky first step is open your device and see what cpu and IO it has |
| 23:16.49 | linuxftw | apt-get update, no errors =D |
| 23:17.02 | jkl_ | linuxftw, cool |
| 23:17.04 | micky | Kevin` oki got it |
| 23:17.11 | Kevin` | there isn't a standard for "digital picture frames", flashing a random linux rom to it has a 99.9% chance of breaking it because it won't run on the right cpu type or now how to display things.. |
| 23:17.53 | jkl_ | abrotman, do you know why mysql-administrator is not in the repositories (unstable)? |
| 23:18.00 | abrotman | jkl_: it sucks ? |
| 23:18.05 | abrotman | is there an RFP for it ? |
| 23:18.27 | jkl_ | abrotman, lol... replace? |
| 23:18.40 | abrotman | !rfp |
| 23:18.41 | dpkg | from memory, rfp is a Request For Package; see http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, or a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: " |
| 23:18.46 | abrotman | and no there isn't |
| 23:18.59 | jkl_ | abrotman, lol |
| 23:19.04 | abrotman | it's funny ? |
| 23:19.18 | jkl_ | abrotman, actually... |
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| 23:20.14 | abrotman | ? |
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| 23:21.04 | linuxftw | The one line nvidia driver apt-get still won't work, it's telling me it can't find the nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 package? |
| 23:22.11 | Kevin` | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 23:22.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:22.17 | Kevin` | looks appropriate maybe |
| 23:22.34 | linuxftw | cool |
| 23:22.44 | abrotman | linuxftw: you need non-free sources also |
| 23:22.51 | Ein | why are all those modules not build by the build system? |
| 23:23.01 | linuxftw | oh ok |
| 23:23.01 | abrotman | Ein: they're not free |
| 23:23.14 | Ein | fair enough i suppose |
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| 23:23.44 | linuxftw | Wooo, its downloading somthing now |
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| 23:24.29 | duke3d | hey, I am having troube installing the ati linux drivers here |
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| 23:31.50 | Yup | hello |
| 23:32.54 | Yup | what multi platform apps, similar to vnc or ms terminal service do you know ? |
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| 23:33.32 | nvz | vnc is multiplatform |
| 23:33.40 | nvz | and I have no idea wtf ms terminal service is |
| 23:34.01 | Yup | ok, but maybe there is something better that vnc ? |
| 23:34.09 | nvz | not really |
| 23:34.21 | nvz | remote framebuffers all suck |
| 23:34.22 | micky | Yup RealVNC does the job on any platform you'll ever want it to |
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| 23:34.39 | Yup | currently i'm using it |
| 23:34.53 | nvz | yeah realvnc's motto should be if you've got a fucking framebuffer, we'll network it |
| 23:35.13 | Yup | but .. it doesn't support xkb |
| 23:35.22 | nvz | man web.archive.org can be really fucking slow sometimes |
| 23:35.35 | nvz | and me saying that out loud isn't helping |
| 23:35.42 | nvz | the less people that know about it the better.. heh |
| 23:35.52 | abrotman | !info rdesktop etch |
| 23:35.57 | dpkg | rdesktop: (RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 119 kB, Installed size: 440 kB |
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| 23:37.00 | nvz | I don't even understand how this site is this slow.. hell its like 100 times slower than most sites would timeout |
| 23:37.02 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 23:37.04 | Yup | and it seems that they do not develop realvnc anymore |
| 23:37.15 | nvz | it loads the shit just takes like an enternity plus forever to do it |
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| 23:37.32 | Yup | try google cache of it :-) |
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| 23:39.06 | Azar | for more than four years now I hear around here: read the man pages, man this ... man that.... but not one single soul here showed me the tricks of easy reading, navigating...etc... some friends eh |
| 23:39.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:39.35 | Azar | :) I made you come out abrotman! |
| 23:39.53 | Azar | I am talking about this: http://www.linux.com/feature/119031 |
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| 23:40.22 | abrotman | two things ? |
| 23:40.30 | abrotman | did you read 'man man' ? |
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| 23:40.35 | Azar | no |
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| 23:41.04 | abrotman | okay .. so whose fault is that ? |
| 23:41.06 | cydork | Azar: man less |
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| 23:41.09 | Azar | man pages are way long filled with tons and tons of useful advices, but I tend to mangle them because get tired of scrolling up /down searching |
| 23:41.13 | cydork | Azar: also check info :P |
| 23:41.33 | Azar | cydork: fortunately I know about less.... from the first days using Debian |
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| 23:41.57 | Ein | less is more or less like more but has more functions than more |
| 23:41.58 | Azar | I never knew about bookmarking wich is a supercool thing |
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| 23:42.50 | ShadowMajestic | whats the mysql-devel package for debian? |
| 23:42.53 | linuxftw | Thanks for the help guys |
| 23:42.56 | abrotman | apt-cache search mysql dev |
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| 23:44.12 | ShadowMajestic | no mysql module for c? |
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| 23:47.53 | Yup | libmysqlclient15-dev - mysql database development files |
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| 23:52.41 | Sebboh | Hi. All of my machines (debian testing) decided to give themselves IPv6 addresses a few months ago. I want to roll that feature back out. =P How do I do that? |
| 23:53.45 | Sebboh | from netstat: tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.1.:38075 www.ibm.com:https ESTABLISHED <-- slight problem.. my ISP doesn't support IPv6. This connection is just hanging.... |
| 23:53.45 | icyfire0573 | I'm having a problem with my soundcard. When I play audio through my /dev/dsp I get sound and I can force it through the optical output, but my /dev/adsp is always silent. C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) card |
| 23:53.48 | mark_s | Hello all, I have a Variable $GEDIT_CURRENT_DOCUMENT_PATH which results in the file name with its extension like foo.pas can I extract from the variable the name without the .pas so I get only "foo" |
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| 23:54.58 | et | depends on your shell |
| 23:55.29 | mark_s | I use bash |
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| 23:56.33 | et | is the .pas part constant? |
| 23:56.45 | mark_s | yes it is |
| 23:57.05 | et | ${GEDIT_CURRENT_DOCUMENT_PATH%.pas} should do the trick |
| 23:57.33 | Sebboh | Interesting. |
| 23:57.49 | mark_s | thx, I will test it. I just couldn't get it to work |
| 23:58.37 | Sebboh | ...It's Friday. Hmm, is everyone at the bar? :/ |
| 23:59.30 | Sebboh | I would really like to disable or remove all ipv6 features from my system. ..I don't know how to do that because I didn't put them there in the first place.. eh. |
| 23:59.38 | mark_s | et: thank you it works. Just cool. I have to write some Pascal programms. Since I coudn't find a good editor I use gedit. |
