| 00:00.06 | et | *cough* vim *cough* *runs from the editor war* |
| 00:01.17 | mark_s | et: what does the % mean? |
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| 00:05.49 | et | mark_s: strip the part after it from the end |
| 00:06.03 | riot | what is the size of sids base install? |
| 00:06.29 | riot | (or testing even) |
| 00:06.29 | Sebboh | riot, with or without tasksel? |
| 00:06.35 | riot | Sebboh: without! |
| 00:07.19 | mark_s | et: can I also compile and start a program from vim? |
| 00:07.19 | riot | i have a 256 mb cf-card, and want to determine wether a nice file-server with some extras would fit onto that, or if i should buy a larger card first... |
| 00:07.33 | Sebboh | I dunno, actually. But I never use tasksel.. I don't even have 'less' on a machine until I find that I need it... |
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| 00:08.12 | riot | Sebboh: i do not like tasksel. Its no good if you know what you want. But for beginners, its quite a nice tool, imho. |
| 00:08.44 | riot | i think, i'll just try out :) |
| 00:08.45 | Sebboh | mark_s: compile, certainly. There's the shell command feature.. (!) |
| 00:08.54 | Sebboh | riot, yes. =) |
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| 00:09.34 | et | also, there is :make (using the makeprog you set) |
| 00:10.23 | mark_s | I am not so familiar with vim. Maybe this is a good time to check into it. |
| 00:10.39 | et | if you have the time, it is |
| 00:10.42 | Sebboh | Anybody awake that knows how I can disable IPv6 on my debian box? It's broken. I don't have IPv6, but it is trying to establish ipv6 connections, infact it clearly PREFERS the protocol that I don't have over the one that I do! |
| 00:10.48 | et | takes some time to get used to |
| 00:11.23 | mark_s | et: that's true |
| 00:12.45 | Sebboh | nevermind, instructions on how to do this are the first hit on google for 'debian disable ipv6' ... ;) sigh |
| 00:13.34 | riot | Is there anything i should be careful with, when installing on a compact-flash? (except e.g. not to use hdparm-timeouts?) |
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| 00:15.50 | Sebboh | riot, some filesystem might be prefered over another. Keep in mind that a lot of what you read on the net about CF and filesystems refers to special CF devices.. The consumer-grade one that you have probably already has it's own protection scheme in place... |
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| 00:16.48 | riot | now well, anyway, a cf-card should _not_ spin down.. lol |
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| 00:19.42 | nvz | that was even dumber than a BX quit message |
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| 00:19.58 | riot | ;) |
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| 00:22.21 | riot | wow, takes a while for a cyrix@250Mhz to detect 8 hdds... whoa. i wonder, if the beast is able to manage all that. |
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| 00:23.04 | nvz | ugh can't be as long as its taking me to navigate this fucking website |
| 00:23.08 | nvz | from archive |
| 00:23.17 | stefan__ | how do I get my sound working ? it was working ok with artsd on a previous install on the same computer(and i didn't have to configure anything at all) |
| 00:23.21 | riot | oh, no. More hdds involved in your case ;) |
| 00:23.23 | stefan__ | what do I do ? |
| 00:23.58 | TwinX | !reiser4fs |
| 00:24.18 | riot | 0xDEADBABE. |
| 00:24.23 | riot | oops, scnr. |
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| 00:27.11 | stefan__ | ok uhm |
| 00:27.16 | stefan__ | how do I fix my sound ? |
| 00:27.56 | azeem | stefan__: you didn't explain yet what is wrong with your sound |
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| 00:28.28 | stefan__ | azeem: I don't hear nothing |
| 00:28.48 | stefan__ | azeem: I have artsd wich came with kde and its already installed |
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| 00:29.04 | stiv2k | hi... how is it that lirc is not installed yet my remote control on my laptop works w/ volume and a couple others |
| 00:29.06 | stefan__ | azeem: i have mplayer but i can see image and hear no sound |
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| 00:29.38 | azeem | stefan__: what does "lsmod | grep snd" say? |
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| 00:30.44 | stefan__ | azeem: http://rafb.net/p/T45Rt877.html |
| 00:31.19 | azeem | stefan__: does mplayer actually say "no sound", or do you just hear nothing? |
| 00:31.48 | stefan__ | azeem: i hear nothing(already tried kmix) |
| 00:31.57 | azeem | try aumix |
| 00:32.43 | stefan__ | azeem: i have no aumix,should i instal it ? |
| 00:32.53 | azeem | well, mabye |
| 00:32.57 | azeem | maybe* |
| 00:33.06 | azeem | I'm not that much of a sound expert, really |
| 00:33.07 | riot | hmm.. the new installer did not _yet_ complain about insufficient space.. just missing swap.. lets see.. |
| 00:33.35 | azeem | !alsa-checklist |
| 00:33.35 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 00:33.38 | azeem | stefan__: ^^ |
| 00:34.28 | stefan__ | a |
| 00:34.39 | stefan__ | azeem: ok uhm aumix shows me i have no sound too |
| 00:35.06 | azeem | then maybe check dmesg for suspicious warnings/errors |
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| 00:35.40 | stefan__ | dpkg: how do I add my user to the audio group ? |
| 00:35.51 | azeem | adduser <user> audio |
| 00:35.56 | azeem | stefan__: what does "groups" say? |
| 00:36.00 | riot | stefan__: dpkg is a friendly bot. |
| 00:36.02 | azeem | I bet you're already in that |
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| 00:37.35 | stefan__ | azeem: ok uhm i dont know how to add my user to audio group |
| 00:37.51 | azeem | stefan__: did you check "groups"ß? |
| 00:38.27 | stefan__ | azeem: ok done |
| 00:38.35 | stefan__ | azeem: lemme relogin |
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| 00:40.13 | stefan__ | ok now |
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| 00:40.19 | stefan__ | I can't see nothing either |
| 00:40.32 | stefan__ | I mean in mplayer |
| 00:40.37 | stefan__ | now I dont see no image |
| 00:40.49 | stefan__ | I only see mangled up stuff |
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| 00:45.15 | evri2|purepwnage | Guys i installed apt-build.I have AMD Turion X2 64 CPU.Which architecture should i choose? K8 or athlon64? |
| 00:45.31 | pocukrani | if i have installed only server aplications on my pc without desktop, what for packets i need to install for KDE desktop ? |
| 00:46.37 | danf_1979 | uhm, kdebase xserver-xorg IIRC |
| 00:46.56 | danf_1979 | well, and kdm |
| 00:47.20 | dererk | evri2|purepwnage, did you install a i386 system? |
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| 00:48.01 | evri2|purepwnage | dererk: 32bit i686 |
| 00:48.13 | danf_1979 | pocukrani, aptitude install kdebase xserver-xorg kdm |
| 00:48.15 | pocukrani | ty danf_1979 |
| 00:48.19 | danf_1979 | np |
| 00:48.27 | dererk | I've a problem with my keyboard key "codes" that aren't the standard ones for representing, forexample, F2 to F12 keys, does anyone knows what should I look for' |
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| 00:49.26 | dererk | evri2|purepwnage, do you actually see a "-athlon64" kernel package? |
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| 00:51.14 | holymoly | what is the command to reconfigure apt? |
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| 00:51.51 | dererk | holymoly, what are you exactly wanting to recnfigure? |
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| 00:52.12 | holymoly | just want to change the repo via the cli tool without manually copy pasting info into sources.list |
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| 00:52.49 | dererk | holymoly, Y don't know any :) |
| 00:52.54 | Azar | holymoly: apt looks into sources.list to get direction |
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| 00:53.02 | holymoly | yeah i know |
| 00:53.10 | [p0lar] | i allready found the problem about the kernel and the mkinitrd the problem is that the new stable kernel in kernel.org cannot use the mkinitrd because the new kernel uses udev instead of devfs ... |
| 00:53.22 | holymoly | there is an app/command that reconfigures apt once again tho and lets you select the repot via cli ui |
| 00:53.25 | Azar | holymoly: there is no way you could redirect apt if you do not tell it "where" in the sources.list |
| 00:53.47 | holymoly | well yes there is, there is an app that reconfigures what repot it uses |
| 00:53.50 | dererk | [p0lar], what has kernel.org to do with mkinitrd? |
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| 00:53.59 | holymoly | i just can't remember what it bloody is now |
| 00:54.00 | Azar | holymoly: apt setup maybe |
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| 00:54.52 | Azar | holymoly: but is much better if you can edit the sources.list: this way you preserve good, old sources |
| 00:54.59 | dererk | [p0lar], anyway, use initramfs image |
| 00:56.00 | holymoly | i thought it was too but that doesn't bring up the screen similar to the one you get during install where you select the repo |
| 00:56.07 | ugly | I'm trying to 'force' my widescreen laptop to use 1024x768 resolution so I can play videos on a TV through SVIDEO. However, no matter what resolution I use in xorg.conf, it defaults back to 1280x800. I had previously 'patched' the BIOS mode of 1024x768 to 1280x800 with 915resolution, but I set it back, to no avail. What's wrong? |
| 00:56.21 | [p0lar] | dererk because i need to compile the kernel hre because one options ... and it was not work ... and like anyone here can resolve me the problem ... i was giving the solution ... if happends again :x |
| 00:56.31 | ugly | (otherwise videos get 'cut off' when playing in fullscreen) |
| 00:56.33 | [p0lar] | since looks i found it :x |
| 00:56.36 | azeem | holymoly: there is none these days, it got removed |
| 00:56.42 | dererk | [p0lar], use initramfs image |
| 00:56.55 | holymoly | ohhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:56.58 | holymoly | is that why? |
| 00:56.59 | dererk | [p0lar], initrd images are really deprecated |
| 00:56.59 | holymoly | aha! |
| 00:57.13 | holymoly | makes sense it would of been part of what the di guys are doing |
| 00:57.14 | [p0lar] | dererk great ... sad is the kernel.org tuturials neither the kernelnewbies looks it is workng here tonight |
| 00:57.17 | holymoly | okay cool thank you for that |
| 00:57.34 | [p0lar] | dererk sad anyone tell to me this beford :x |
| 00:57.54 | [p0lar] | i got one pc stoped for one mouth because of that |
| 00:57.54 | [p0lar] | :x |
| 00:57.58 | robboplus | is there a simple method of making a cpu go to 99%? i need to test something :) |
| 00:58.18 | [p0lar] | nice linux tuturials around there :x o0 0o |
| 00:58.59 | dererk | [p0lar], hope it works |
| 00:59.49 | dererk | robboplus, a fork bomb? :P |
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| 01:00.04 | [p0lar] | dererk and i start to think if linux if for me lol to many time to make something lol |
| 01:00.08 | dererk | robboplus, I used SETI@home in the past, unfortunatelly it's unmaintained |
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| 01:00.23 | dererk | [p0lar], hahahaha |
| 01:01.21 | [p0lar] | dererk well after follow 100 tuturials and helps ... start to fell a litle frustrated lol |
| 01:01.58 | dererk | [p0lar], don't worry dude, it always happens like that |
| 01:02.18 | sparr | i want to programmatically cut a small clip out of the middle of a larger number of mp3 files. what tool is suited to that? |
| 01:02.29 | dererk | [p0lar], there is a _lot_ of data around the net, unfortunatelly, about 90% of it is useless or really old |
| 01:02.43 | [p0lar] | dererk right ... but i cant se me working and come to the night and use linux no time to this stuff |
| 01:02.49 | dererk | sparr, Literaly "cut" :P |
| 01:03.03 | snowbird | got samsung laser said need work govement dumped hmm |
| 01:03.04 | [p0lar] | i cant see one doctor have time to configure linux and learn for exemple |
| 01:03.14 | [p0lar] | or someone thta comes at the night from the work |
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| 01:03.45 | dererk | [p0lar], most of us don't do that, out of work :P |
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| 01:03.53 | sparr | dererk: i dont think mp3 will like being binary cut |
| 01:04.10 | dererk | [p0lar], I meant, seriously, Testing is a really stable desktop |
| 01:04.14 | holymoly | [p0lar]: then do what windows people do |
| 01:04.18 | snowbird | stoned |
| 01:04.21 | holymoly | buy a pc with linux preinstalled |
| 01:04.28 | holymoly | damnit why copmlain about something you chose to do? |
| 01:04.38 | dererk | loooooool |
| 01:04.48 | [p0lar] | only persons thta really work a litle whiht this or have some time but is one operating system not practic to be use |
| 01:04.50 | grew | hmm |
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| 01:04.59 | grew | kernel source is called linux-kernel-source now |
| 01:05.00 | holymoly | thats total fucking bullshit |
| 01:05.01 | holymoly | and you know it |
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| 01:05.17 | holymoly | your fucking aroudn with sys admin thing without being qualified at being a sys admin |
| 01:05.20 | dererk | grew, now == several time ago |
| 01:05.28 | holymoly | thats like you trying to repair your car without being qualified to do so |
| 01:05.30 | holymoly | same results |
| 01:05.31 | grew | dererk: the wiki needs updated :) |
| 01:05.37 | grew | and its been a while since i built a kernel |
| 01:05.37 | holymoly | and guess how much documentation your car has? |
| 01:05.39 | holymoly | thats right |
| 01:05.46 | grew | but fresh os = fresh kernel |
| 01:05.52 | dererk | grew, _quite_ possible it does :) |
| 01:05.52 | holymoly | if you don't want to be an admin, be a user and get a system with it built in |
| 01:05.58 | [p0lar] | holymoly and yes if i dont have time i use windows ... and because of that i use windows to |
| 01:06.01 | holymoly | if you want to be a sysadmin and build your own, suck it up and learn |
| 01:06.20 | holymoly | no,you don't have time because you are a clusterfuck of a retard |
| 01:06.23 | dererk | grew, you are enabled to do it, btw ;) |
| 01:06.33 | holymoly | chose the role yo uplay and stick to it |
| 01:06.42 | holymoly | you are here pretending to be an admin and complaining about it |
| 01:06.48 | holymoly | either shutup and learn to be a sysadmin |
| 01:06.55 | holymoly | or shutup and buy a preconfigured dell with ubuntu |
| 01:06.59 | grew | its immutable |
| 01:07.00 | holymoly | goddamned noobs |
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| 01:07.14 | grew | heh |
| 01:07.17 | [p0lar] | holymoly man excuse me dont have any sense i have one pc stoped because one simple stuff ... when i can instal windows in a few time |
| 01:07.24 | grew | running a linux desktop != being a sysadmin |
| 01:07.26 | [p0lar] | and dont need to wait one mouth |
| 01:07.27 | grew | sorry |
| 01:07.28 | holymoly | bullshit |
| 01:08.03 | vampyre_eyes | hi guys |
| 01:08.06 | holymoly | anyway which one of the problems you created are you trying to fix? |
| 01:08.39 | riot | ok, 256mb would be enough for a base-install, if debootstrap were smart enough to remove already installed debs from its cache.. how dumb |
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| 01:08.45 | [p0lar] | welll ******* this dont compensate the trouble ... |
| 01:08.55 | holymoly | i really don't care |
| 01:09.00 | holymoly | feel free to ask for your money back |
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| 01:09.35 | dererk | grew, oh, fuck |
| 01:09.48 | holymoly | now as i have a few minutes for a compile to finish, what are you trying to resolve? i might be able to help i might not |
| 01:09.52 | [p0lar] | holymoly yehh right .... but i allready have in the box if is thta what you want to know |
| 01:10.03 | holymoly | no |
| 01:10.10 | holymoly | i want to know what problem you are trying to solve |
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| 01:10.54 | holymoly | and on a side note i have 2 doctors and 1 dentist using linux |
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| 01:11.09 | [p0lar] | holymoly i was only try to compile the kernel whith kernel recomended tuturials the kernelnewbies ... because one option to make me the wireless work |
| 01:11.12 | holymoly | none of them ever have anything like you are insinuating |
| 01:11.16 | cpc26 | does anyone know how to fix/ what to install to get termcap to work - want to use emacs - I already have libncurses5-dev |
| 01:11.25 | holymoly | you tried to compile the kernel? |
| 01:11.26 | robboplus | [p0lar] actually it took something way simpler than a dangerous forkbomb |
| 01:11.34 | holymoly | to make your wireless work? |
| 01:11.35 | robboplus | [p0lar] and it was a serious question |
| 01:11.45 | holymoly | my god man you are totally on the wrong track |
| 01:11.53 | holymoly | here are the instructions for wireless for you: |
| 01:11.56 | holymoly | no compiling |
| 01:11.58 | holymoly | okay ready? |
| 01:11.59 | holymoly | here goes |
| 01:12.02 | holymoly | here is the magic |
| 01:12.14 | holymoly | 1. research which wireless cards/devices are supported |
| 01:12.20 | holymoly | 2. but the supported device |
| 01:12.21 | robboplus | [p0lar] i saw a great wifi tutorial on czarism.com or was it czarizm.com |
| 01:12.22 | holymoly | 3. plug it in |
| 01:12.27 | [p0lar] | well here dont help to much my questions looks like lol :x only a few minutes i see one litle detail lol |
| 01:12.30 | holymoly | thats it |
| 01:12.33 | holymoly | why are you compiling? |
| 01:12.45 | holymoly | there is NEVER any reason to compile the kernel unless you are a hacker |
| 01:12.52 | holymoly | hacker in the original sense |
| 01:12.52 | [p0lar] | holymoly i allready tell you this question lol |
| 01:12.53 | robboplus | holymoly how about devices that are NOT supported? :) |
| 01:12.58 | riot | holymoly: or want to use intels powertop |
| 01:13.00 | dererk | Let it be in peace boys |
| 01:13.20 | robboplus | holymoly "unless you are a hacker" <--rofl |
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| 01:13.25 | [p0lar] | lol this is cruisel ... ****** this |
| 01:13.32 | holymoly | no you are just an idiot |
| 01:13.34 | robboplus | [p0lar] what are you trying to do? |
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| 01:13.46 | robboplus | holymoly and you are a lamer that isn't supposed to be here at all. |
| 01:13.47 | holymoly | your solving the problem deliberately the hard way |
| 01:13.56 | holymoly | no sane person would ever do what you are doing to get wireless to work |
| 01:14.03 | robboplus | holymoly by calling people "idiots" for NO reason. |
| 01:14.04 | vampyre_eyes | I used to compile the kernel and I am no Hacker |
| 01:14.09 | vampyre_eyes | lolz |
| 01:14.15 | robboplus | holymoly yes they would. |
| 01:14.24 | holymoly | if you are an idiot yes |
| 01:14.25 | holymoly | of course |
| 01:14.31 | holymoly | you are welcome to that category |
| 01:14.34 | dererk | holymoly, [p0lar] please |
| 01:14.40 | kgoetz | vampyre_eyes: and i never do, i have beter things to do with my time :) |
| 01:14.41 | robboplus | holymoly no comments on that... please go away. |
| 01:14.55 | vampyre_eyes | I used to use Gentoo |
| 01:14.59 | robboplus | [p0lar] are you trying to setup your wireless network on debian? |
| 01:15.12 | holymoly | robboplus: biteme fanboy |
| 01:15.16 | vampyre_eyes | Been using linix since 1993 and back then it was the only option |
| 01:15.31 | holymoly | indeed |
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| 01:15.43 | kgoetz | vampyre_eyes: i have the luxury of coming in after that ;) |
| 01:15.45 | holymoly | a regular desktop user has not had to compile anything for ages |
| 01:16.04 | [p0lar] | i allready know what part of the problem is im not going to the wireless tonight ... proably one more mouth lol |
| 01:16.10 | vampyre_eyes | yeah, since I have been using Ubuntu I have never recompiled the kernel |
| 01:16.11 | robboplus | [p0lar] try this: http://czarism.com/easy-peasy-wireless-w-ubuntu-debian-linux |
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| 01:16.53 | holymoly | [p0lar]: what wireless chipset anyway? laptop with builtin? or desktop with addon wireless? |
| 01:16.57 | riot | :.-( redwine empty.. |
| 01:17.09 | robboplus | !ops holymoly calling people idiots and such |
| 01:17.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: robboplus complains about: holymoly calling people idiots and such |
| 01:17.25 | holymoly | lol |
| 01:17.27 | robboplus | holymoly enjoy |
| 01:17.27 | holymoly | awwww |
| 01:17.29 | holymoly | you told on me |
| 01:17.40 | robboplus | holymoly yes and you will get banned soon, so see you. |
| 01:17.42 | vampyre_eyes | where are you guys from BTW? |
| 01:17.45 | holymoly | lol |
| 01:17.48 | holymoly | fantastic |
| 01:17.57 | vampyre_eyes | I am from Sydney |
| 01:18.00 | holymoly | how about you follow your own advice now and just go away |
| 01:18.19 | riot | vampyre_eyes: from around the world. This stuff is quite international. |
| 01:18.23 | robboplus | holymoly i'm here 24/7 usually |
| 01:18.36 | robboplus | holymoly and you are the scum that is insulting others.. never seen you before in here yet |
| 01:18.41 | holymoly | allrigh enough, welcome to my ignore list |
| 01:18.44 | robboplus | holymoly and it will not take long |
| 01:18.44 | [p0lar] | nonono thank you very much for your help :) the first problem is resolve i think im not going to the wireless toight im whith no pacienci to this ... |
| 01:19.12 | robboplus | [p0lar] did you try to read what i suggested? it's a step by step wifi guide on debian |
| 01:19.21 | robboplus | including ndis wrapper stuff etc. |
| 01:19.22 | vampyre_eyes | cool stuff |
| 01:19.25 | holymoly | [p0lar]: so just curious, what wiereless configuration are you trying to get working? |
| 01:19.42 | riot | robboplus: oh, please, do not advise people to try out ndiswrapper.. |
| 01:19.56 | vampyre_eyes | Anyone here got an IBM thinkpad working with beryl |
| 01:20.03 | vampyre_eyes | t42 model |
| 01:20.10 | robboplus | riot if the device isn't supported what else can you do? |
| 01:20.17 | holymoly | vampyre_eyes: what video card chipset? |
| 01:20.24 | robboplus | riot trash it or try ndis as it MAY work just fine |
| 01:20.25 | riot | robboplus: buy some real hardware. Must give holymoly a point there. |
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| 01:20.38 | robboplus | riot how about it's not an option? |
| 01:20.42 | [p0lar] | holymoly ipw3945 |
| 01:20.50 | riot | robboplus: yes, exactly, ndiswrapper is not an option. |
| 01:21.02 | vampyre_eyes | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 01:21.03 | robboplus | riot no comments on that |
| 01:21.10 | holymoly | [p0lar]: neat, looking it up, i'm curious now |
| 01:21.10 | riot | robboplus: :D |
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| 01:21.15 | [p0lar] | holymoly it gives errors from every places ... and some say to i compile the kernel to disable there ome ieee ... |
| 01:21.18 | robboplus | vampyre_eyes try compiz-fusion rather |
| 01:21.30 | robboplus | vampyre_eyes it will work fine on t42 |
| 01:21.59 | robboplus | riot so, what is the problem with ndis wrapper? |
| 01:22.20 | holymoly | [p0lar]: i assure you that is an aberration however, a user should never haveto compile to solve a problem like that |
| 01:22.21 | robboplus | riot i really want to know why it's "not an option" |
| 01:22.31 | vampyre_eyes | I have tried, but no luck getting my xorg config working with the ATI accelerated driver |
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| 01:22.37 | robboplus | holymoly can you stop already? |
| 01:22.38 | holymoly | vampyre_eyes: oh right |
| 01:22.41 | holymoly | just give up on that |
| 01:22.48 | robboplus | holymoly recompiling isn't for geeks only |
| 01:22.48 | holymoly | ati has never had good drivers |
| 01:22.55 | kasscie | buenas |
| 01:23.00 | robboplus | holymoly and it DOES solve lots of problems so stop misleading the guy |
| 01:23.01 | holymoly | now they supposedly have released new binary drivers just the other day |
| 01:23.04 | holymoly | that might help but!!! |
| 01:23.16 | robboplus | holymoly ati is going open btw... update yourself a bit |
| 01:23.24 | [p0lar] | robboplus yes i have the link apointed but i dont know if i will try it ... probably keeps giving to me errors and erros lol |
| 01:23.27 | holymoly | you should probably wait for them to show up in debian repos as either a backport or next release |
| 01:23.39 | riot | robboplus: one important point is: it discourages manufacturers to develop for the community. |
| 01:23.52 | robboplus | [p0lar] if you can't help yourself i can't help you, just go to your corner and keep crying |
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| 01:23.59 | holymoly | vampyre_eyes: ati is supposed to be releasing their specs too so you might luck out with open source drivers one day, but chances are you will upgrade your lappy by then |
| 01:24.08 | vampyre_eyes | lolz |
| 01:24.10 | robboplus | [p0lar] i pointed you to a solution and you said you were not going to try even... |
| 01:24.15 | holymoly | vampyre_eyes: the rule of thumb for linux is never buy anything with ati in it ... for now |
| 01:24.16 | vampyre_eyes | yeah, its work supplied |
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| 01:24.28 | vampyre_eyes | so i dont have any choice |
| 01:24.32 | holymoly | *nod* |
| 01:24.43 | vampyre_eyes | although i get a new laptop in October, a T60 |
| 01:24.44 | robboplus | holymoly just read what AMD said about that |
| 01:24.45 | holymoly | thats roughly the outline of the situation |
| 01:24.53 | holymoly | is that ati too? |
| 01:24.56 | robboplus | yes |
| 01:24.57 | vampyre_eyes | I work for IBM so they always give thinkpads |
| 01:25.06 | holymoly | lol oh you do? heh |
| 01:25.15 | holymoly | and they give you hardware with ati in it? |
| 01:25.20 | vampyre_eyes | yeah |
| 01:25.20 | robboplus | holymoly you have NO knowledge at all it seems and you spam chan with nonsenses coming out of your head |
| 01:25.24 | vampyre_eyes | kinda sucks |
| 01:25.29 | [p0lar] | robboplus lol man i wait 5 years to have one laptop ... and one mouth to can compile the kernel i need here yes im fealling frustrated whith linux ... |
| 01:25.31 | holymoly | actually you know what? i didn't check and i bought an ibm server with an ati card in it |
| 01:25.38 | holymoly | baaaaaad me, but luckily its headless |
| 01:25.44 | riot | holymoly: thats wrong, again! And if you claim such BS, you gotta tell them, too: Do not buy nvidia either. |
| 01:25.54 | [p0lar] | knows thta have software to this and not in use |
| 01:25.55 | [p0lar] | lol |
| 01:26.02 | holymoly | riot: what are you talking about? |
| 01:26.11 | riot | holymoly: and amd is at least announcing stronger opensource-support. |
| 01:26.16 | holymoly | nvidia is the only company with binary (even if closed) that actually work |
| 01:26.25 | holymoly | ah so you are simply stating a political preference |
| 01:26.28 | robboplus | holymoly don't change the subject |
| 01:26.29 | holymoly | not actually working options |
| 01:26.31 | riot | holymoly: fglrx works the same. Hardly. |
| 01:26.46 | robboplus | holymoly you said a BS again and you are sneaking now :) |
| 01:26.49 | holymoly | *blink* |
| 01:26.54 | holymoly | are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? |
| 01:27.11 | Ein | iirc amd is realeasing the specs for ati drivers, meaning decent oss drivers will be along shortly |
| 01:27.12 | robboplus | holymoly i'm just laughing |
| 01:27.20 | robboplus | Ein that's right |
| 01:27.23 | holymoly | ah i see ... announcing and actually seeing something from ati are two different things |
| 01:27.28 | riot | holymoly: there are two options to choose from: A) 3D with GREAT harass B) No 3D with peace. |
| 01:27.29 | robboplus | and that's what holymoly has no idea about |
| 01:27.30 | Ein | holymoly: oh yeah |
| 01:27.34 | holymoly | i'm optimistic too but as of today, only nvidia is suitable |
| 01:27.37 | holymoly | ati simply doesn't work |
| 01:27.48 | riot | holymoly: utter bullshit. |
| 01:27.48 | robboplus | holymoly guess what? |
| 01:27.52 | Ein | riot: intel cards have 3D and are oss |
| 01:27.53 | holymoly | lol |
| 01:28.04 | riot | Ein: and do they have performance? Guess, no.. |
| 01:28.04 | holymoly | dude i used do 3d animation for a living way back in the nt4 days |
| 01:28.12 | holymoly | ati never had drivers that worked on windows back then |
| 01:28.18 | riot | holymoly: yeah. Wonderful - go ahead, install nt4 today. |
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| 01:28.21 | holymoly | they still don't have drivers that you can use on windows for high level production |
| 01:28.23 | holymoly | and thats windows |
| 01:28.24 | robboplus | holymoly what does nt4 days have to do with debian? |
| 01:28.25 | Ein | riot: my old Radeon did just fine with the free drivers |
| 01:28.29 | robboplus | holymoly in 2007 |
| 01:28.32 | Ein | its the newer ones that have issues |
| 01:28.34 | holymoly | and you are sitting here telling everyone that ati works as well as nvidia on linux? |
| 01:28.40 | holymoly | c'mon bro who are you kidding? |
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| 01:28.52 | riot | holymoly: you seem to not be doing anything in 3D anymore.. I do.. we prefer ATI, but that doesn't really matter - _under Windoze_ |
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| 01:28.57 | robboplus | holymoly we are trying to tell you that oss ati drivers are coming |
| 01:28.59 | holymoly | ati has always been ati, they really only went after the gamers market |
| 01:29.01 | holymoly | and i'm betting |
| 01:29.03 | robboplus | holymoly and you seem NOT to get it |
| 01:29.05 | holymoly | that is what you do games |
| 01:29.12 | Ein | holymoly: eh? |
| 01:29.26 | holymoly | lol riiiiiight |
| 01:29.30 | Ein | nvidia == gaming market, ati i've always seen as the generalists |
| 01:29.35 | riot | holymoly: we do airport-simulation in 3D... ATI works quite fine (as nvidia does) |
| 01:29.36 | holymoly | ah no |
| 01:29.41 | holymoly | Ein: not if you did 3d |
| 01:29.50 | robboplus | riot ati works sweet on my T40 btw... |
| 01:29.51 | holymoly | when maya fist came out we had to wait 3 years for ait to support overlays |
| 01:30.02 | holymoly | never mind the bugs they took years to fix on top of that |
| 01:30.02 | robboplus | full blown compiz-fusion setup |
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| 01:30.16 | riot | robboplus: have a fire gl2 here on a t42... quite the same, though driver installation is always quite annoying - AS IS WITH NVIDIA!! |
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| 01:30.30 | holymoly | riot: aha, right. so all the people running ati drivers on linux and having problems are wrong |
| 01:30.41 | holymoly | you are simply making political statements for linux based stuff |
| 01:30.42 | robboplus | holymoly why are you still blabling about HISTORY? who cares what was in there 3 years ago? everything is changing and you seem not to follow this anymore |
| 01:30.50 | holymoly | and you are now also really simply saying they work fine on windows |
| 01:30.51 | riot | holymoly: i'm not telling that. I just say: all the nvidia-users have almost the SAME problems. |
| 01:30.54 | riot | i do. I use both. |
| 01:30.58 | holymoly | maybe now they do work fine on windows |
| 01:31.02 | robboplus | riot damn damn wish i had fire gl2 on my t40 :( |
| 01:31.05 | holymoly | but then who cares about your work on windows? |
| 01:31.16 | riot | robboplus: d'oh, thats two generations later ;P |
| 01:31.27 | [p0lar] | holymoly i cares about windows is one good alternative to me |
| 01:31.27 | riot | holymoly: oh, lots of big corps like Airbus do. |
| 01:31.29 | holymoly | ati simply doesn't work on linux very well. beryl and whatever the new project is simply give everyone problems |
| 01:31.37 | robboplus | riot he he it is but i still like T23 better :) |
| 01:31.58 | robboplus | riot though i might swap for t42 soon... so t23 for irc and t42 for fire gl2 :) |
| 01:31.59 | [p0lar] | holymoly i can install wireless in a few time only ... |
| 01:32.02 | holymoly | riot: not saying nvidia never had problems but long term, on windows they have for a very long time been way ahead on the high end |
| 01:32.06 | ameyer | I believe that AMD realizes that there needs to be a card with proper open-sores Linux drivers that can be used with an AMD processor |
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| 01:32.13 | holymoly | on linux there is no comparison, if ati was better i would love that |
| 01:32.14 | robboplus | [03:31:29] <holymoly> ati simply doesn't work on linux very well. beryl and whatever the new project is simply give everyone problems |
| 01:32.15 | [p0lar] | is really very easy |
| 01:32.18 | robboplus | wtf is wrong with you? |
| 01:32.22 | robboplus | BS again! |
| 01:32.26 | riot | ameyer: hmhmm. Still i don't think they'll open up WIDE enough. |
| 01:32.28 | holymoly | i love the fact they plan to releasee specs |
| 01:32.39 | ameyer | Intel's likely kicking their butt on the Linux markett |
| 01:32.40 | holymoly | [p0lar]: i can get wireless working faster on linux |
| 01:32.43 | holymoly | i just plug a card in |
| 01:32.45 | holymoly | or i install linux |
| 01:32.50 | ameyer | riot: I doubt they're opening at all |
| 01:32.50 | holymoly | it just installs everything for me |
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| 01:32.54 | riot | aach, wireless is ALWAYS a pain in the ass. |
| 01:32.55 | holymoly | i don't haveto even download drivers |
| 01:33.01 | holymoly | [p0lar]: what you did, is by bad hardware |
| 01:33.03 | [p0lar] | holymoly that one lie .. |
| 01:33.03 | robboplus | holymoly update yourself man and stop spreading your stupid, personal opinions that have nothing to do with rl |
| 01:33.06 | chery | hi adrian want chat me |
| 01:33.07 | holymoly | its really your fault, you didn't research |
| 01:33.11 | [p0lar] | holymoly not here |
| 01:33.18 | riot | [p0lar]: what hardware do you have, btw? ;) |
| 01:33.20 | holymoly | [p0lar]: right now i have 200 desktops all running ubuntu dapper |
| 01:33.23 | robboplus | i just said that beryl/compiz-fusion works GREAT on ati |
| 01:33.24 | holymoly | thats 2 years old btw |
| 01:33.28 | holymoly | all have wiereless cards |
| 01:33.30 | robboplus | and he is like "it doesn't work" |
| 01:33.37 | robboplus | ... |
| 01:33.40 | holymoly | all are just plug the card in and setup wap |
| 01:33.48 | chery | hi may i joint you |
| 01:33.49 | holymoly | wep, never mind wap :) |
| 01:33.50 | [p0lar] | holymoly not in this one ... |
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| 01:33.55 | holymoly | [p0lar]: right |
| 01:33.57 | holymoly | you bought it |
| 01:34.00 | holymoly | you didn't do your research |
| 01:34.02 | holymoly | you made the mistake |
| 01:34.06 | riot | chery: yes, give me a joint. Good idea. |
| 01:34.07 | robboplus | holymoly so, sneaking again now? you just said about ati and now to wifi again because you were nailed down? man, please leave... |
| 01:34.16 | [p0lar] | holymoly yes i research ... have drivers to webcam and everything |
| 01:34.23 | holymoly | [p0lar]: you are right, for some things you haveto use windows and thats fine to |
| 01:34.26 | riot | [p0lar]: WHAT HARDWARE? |
| 01:34.38 | robboplus | [p0lar] ignore that guy and don't listen to his bullshit |
| 01:34.42 | holymoly | [p0lar]: oh yah? :) okay then i am wrong. what model/make? |
| 01:34.48 | robboplus | [p0lar] he is here to whine and not help |
| 01:34.49 | riot | (no, i do NOT have any caps-lock-key anymore) |
| 01:35.18 | [p0lar] | ermm ok im sorry i dont want make confution here ... |
| 01:35.48 | holymoly | [p0lar]: no problem :) |
| 01:35.51 | holymoly | what laptop did you buy? |
| 01:35.55 | robboplus | i will quote holymoly once again "a user should never compile his kernel unless he is a hacker" <--that's like the biggest BS i have seen here since new years eve :) |
| 01:35.58 | [p0lar] | g1s |
| 01:36.00 | holymoly | [p0lar]: oh btw, let me show you what i just bought |
| 01:36.03 | edju | #join #crossover |
| 01:36.12 | edju | 'scise me. |
| 01:36.18 | holymoly | http://geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=582 |
| 01:36.23 | holymoly | [p0lar]: check it out |
| 01:36.25 | holymoly | its a umpc |
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| 01:36.29 | holymoly | very very peculiar hardware |
| 01:36.33 | holymoly | but stard intel chipset |
| 01:36.35 | holymoly | guess what? |
| 01:36.39 | holymoly | everything works out of the box |
| 01:36.42 | holymoly | including wireless |
| 01:36.44 | holymoly | and guess what? |
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| 01:36.52 | robboplus | ok.. /ignore holymoly or i will blow finally |
| 01:36.54 | holymoly | i just had to install the support for the touchscreen |
| 01:37.00 | holymoly | brother, if you can run linux on THAT |
| 01:37.04 | holymoly | you can run linux anywhere |
| 01:37.07 | robboplus | oh it's so much better now :) |
| 01:37.13 | riot | holymoly: you're quite ignorant. |
| 01:37.15 | holymoly | if yoru having hardware problems, you are right, its only that laptop |
| 01:37.19 | robboplus | is he still going? |
| 01:37.26 | riot | robboplus: yah. |
| 01:37.36 | robboplus | riot he he |
| 01:37.55 | robboplus | i do recommend /ignore before it gets really hot :) |
| 01:37.58 | [p0lar] | ok |
| 01:38.04 | holymoly | asus g1s? lets take a look |
| 01:38.07 | riot | robboplus: oh, strangely, i love irc-wars. |
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| 01:38.17 | robboplus | riot but ops here don't :) |
| 01:38.37 | riot | robboplus: sure, #debian is far too busy for that, normally. |
| 01:38.44 | ianm_ | how can I see postfix key details via a shell? (to confirm a signature) |
| 01:38.56 | robboplus | riot it also doesn't happen too often to see such whiners here |
| 01:38.56 | riot | though i s'pose its rather calm right now, because its night in .eu ;) |
| 01:38.59 | Ein | postconf -a i think |
| 01:39.19 | robboplus | riot a new day has come.. it's 4am soon :) |
| 01:39.21 | ice63 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:39.26 | Ein | no postfix access atm to confirm |
| 01:39.35 | ianm_ | Ein: don't have postconf |
| 01:39.40 | robboplus | ok it's time to do some work... |
| 01:39.42 | Ein | postadmin maybe? |
| 01:39.48 | riot | robboplus: AH. Why do you tell me?! I try avoiding to have a look on all 10+ clocks around me... |
| 01:39.58 | robboplus | riot he he |
| 01:40.18 | holymoly | [p0lar]: you got the camera working on that? |
| 01:40.20 | holymoly | lol sweet! |
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| 01:40.45 | ianm_ | Ein: oh, sorry, yeah I do, it's just in sbin. postconf -a outputs: cyrus dovecot |
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| 01:40.56 | robboplus | riot hm |
| 01:41.14 | ianm_ | Ein: I'm looking for the hex fingerprint |
| 01:41.24 | Ein | fingerprint of what? |
| 01:41.32 | robboplus | riot is there a CF reader in t42? |
| 01:41.36 | ianm_ | of the key used for TLS or whatever it is |
| 01:41.39 | riot | robboplus: uh, no. |
| 01:41.44 | [p0lar] | holymoly only today i can see the probably reason for the kernel problem ... here was not working whith tuturials i was try ... |
| 01:41.53 | riot | robboplus: afaik only the newer x-series have cf-readers. |
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| 01:42.07 | holymoly | [p0lar]: well overall i would say i was way too harsh on you |
| 01:42.08 | holymoly | i'm sorry |
| 01:42.16 | robboplus | riot i think my next laptop will have a reader, it's a must these days |
| 01:42.21 | holymoly | looking at that laptop spec i would of guessed it looks compatable |
| 01:42.32 | robboplus | riot so staying with t40 until those get cheaper he he |
| 01:42.41 | riot | robboplus: no. actually, i'd rather use a cf-usb-stick and/or a fullblown card-reader. |
| 01:42.42 | holymoly | we switched to asus laptops as well but we buy the whitebread ones that we put together |
| 01:43.00 | robboplus | riot hm cf-usb stick... not bad at all |
| 01:43.10 | robboplus | riot but not sure how it fits in t40 |
| 01:43.18 | holymoly | [p0lar]: i think thats a good buy probably. you are running debian on it i guess? may i hazard a real suggestion that might trully get me banned |
| 01:43.21 | chery | Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, Adrian ????want chat 2me |
| 01:43.31 | riot | robboplus: cheapass thingies, usb2.0 and you're set. Price?? dunno.. paid about 10 eur on ebay |
| 01:43.33 | holymoly | try next version of the 'b' word. just for kicks |
| 01:43.38 | Ein | ianm_: openssl s_client -connect localhost:25 -starttls smtp |
| 01:43.39 | holymoly | you can always reinstall debian later |
| 01:43.41 | [p0lar] | holymoly dont worry that ok |
| 01:43.46 | holymoly | it might have that problem fixed |
| 01:43.55 | [p0lar] | thank you very much for the help guys :) |
| 01:43.56 | robboplus | riot hm.. i mean does it block the other usb port when plugged in? |
| 01:44.09 | holymoly | [p0lar]: i didn't help any, they did :) |
| 01:44.10 | riot | robboplus: erm.. a little bit. it bends upwards ;D |
| 01:44.24 | riot | if you're using thin cables, that ain't a problem |
| 01:44.27 | robboplus | riot in t40 both ports are really close to each other and even thicker usb stick can actually block the other port |
| 01:44.38 | chery | Asssalamualaikum |
| 01:44.45 | robboplus | chery go away. |
| 01:44.51 | [p0lar] | holymoly yes you try to search the problem to and thanks for that :) |
| 01:45.07 | robboplus | !ops chery does lameness |
| 01:45.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: robboplus complains about: chery does lameness |
| 01:45.18 | holymoly | [p0lar]: do you mind me asking what you found th eproblem to be? |
| 01:45.22 | holymoly | a kernel parameter? |
| 01:45.47 | riot | robboplus: are you one of the channel-police?? *backsaway* |
| 01:45.49 | robboplus | riot thanks alot for this usb-cf hint... i think i really want one :) |
| 01:45.59 | robboplus | riot no, i just hate lame behaviour in here |
| 01:46.19 | chery | go away,????Why |
| 01:46.25 | robboplus | and it doesn't happen too often, not sure what's wrong today but those people just come out of a closet like never before |
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| 01:46.42 | riot | robboplus: oh, its friday night. You never noticed? |
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| 01:46.56 | robboplus | riot oh so it's friday? :) that explains everything |
| 01:46.59 | [p0lar] | holymoly the problem is that the new stable kernel in kernel.org cannot use the mkinitrd because the new kernel uses udev instead of devfs ... |
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| 01:47.10 | |Cartooncat| | Hellos all |
| 01:47.14 | ianm_ | Ein: should the fingerprint be in there? |
| 01:47.14 | riot | robboplus: hmhmm, that one, reminded me of a ...bot... |
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| 01:47.39 | robboplus | he he |
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| 01:48.14 | |Cartooncat| | Is there a "easy" way to mount iso's? |
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| 01:48.24 | robboplus | |Cartooncat| hm yes |
| 01:48.29 | riot | |Cartooncat|: define easy ;) |
| 01:49.12 | robboplus | |Cartooncat| http://www.debianadmin.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html |
| 01:50.10 | robboplus | |Cartooncat| and if you are really on the rush: mount debianetch.iso /media/isoimage/ -t iso9660 -o loop |
| 01:50.20 | riot | robboplus: say, do you have the same nasty ati-bug, that your display flickers heavily when turned off and on again, until you switch to a vty and back again? |
| 01:50.46 | robboplus | riot honestly, never seen that problem here |
| 01:51.11 | |Cartooncat| | Easy, as in not having ot use a CLI (the wife is totaly scared of the CLI) |
| 01:51.26 | riot | robboplus: oh, ok.. its documented and ages old, yet ati never deemed that one important enough.. assholes. |
| 01:51.33 | robboplus | |Cartooncat| i thought that cli was actually the easiest.. if not, try the URL that i pasted |
| 01:52.07 | robboplus | riot probably i have been in that exact situation yet |
| 01:52.14 | robboplus | i have never* been |
| 01:52.32 | riot | robboplus: oh, you don't teach wives to use a cli, except they're geeks, nerds or hackers, too. |
| 01:52.42 | robboplus | but i really like my 7500/32MB - it does just great job with compiz-fusion |
| 01:52.56 | |Cartooncat| | robboplus: im reading it | best would be something like daemontools for windows (That what she used before, but im dumping windows across the board, again) |
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| 01:53.07 | riot | robboplus: if you use your notebook regularly, you should have been able to reproduce it - so i suppose your gpu is not afflicted |
| 01:53.15 | robboplus | riot lol leave that to holymoly :) |
| 01:53.34 | holymoly | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmount-isomdfnrg-images-using-acetoneiso-gui-tool.html |
| 01:53.43 | holymoly | that seems to have some relavence to mounting isos via gui |
| 01:53.47 | robboplus | riot it's always on basically he he |
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| 01:53.48 | holymoly | maybe the package works on debian |
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| 01:54.20 | riot | mhmm.. good music on deepmix.ru right now.. :D |
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| 01:54.23 | Azar | ok honorables which one of you wants to have the honor to officially open up the #debian weekend? |
| 01:54.28 | robboplus | |Cartooncat| just check near the end of that page - it's as simple as using a menu and mount/umount |
| 01:54.34 | riot | Azar: Been there, done that ;) |
| 01:54.34 | holymoly | [p0lar]: *hmmm* right it has been droped, how is that affecting your wireless driver tho? |
| 01:54.43 | predder` | !confuse Azar |
| 01:54.43 | dpkg | Yes, those are my bacon today, Azar? breeches of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 01:54.44 | robboplus | riot beer there, beer that? :) |
| 01:54.47 | Azar | riot: indeed, you can't do it twice |
| 01:54.50 | holymoly | [p0lar]: woops scrolled without paying atteniont, sorry! |
| 01:54.55 | robboplus | deepmix.ru.. hm... |
| 01:55.09 | predder` | Azar, what timezone are you in? |
| 01:55.17 | Azar | pst |
| 01:55.25 | riot | Azar: we're experiencing slight friday-night-difficulties, still. Those should be gone in a few hours. |
| 01:55.26 | holymoly | riot: heh, i listen to a lot of french and polish streams, they have pretty neat tastes in music indeed |
| 01:55.40 | riot | holymoly: deepmix is only good ole' techno. |
| 01:55.44 | predder` | that means nothing to someone on a different continent :) GMT - 10 is slightly easier |
| 01:55.48 | Azar | predder`: it does not matter, the official opening starts on friday |
| 01:56.02 | robboplus | riot Russians just rock.. i never had doubts about that, thanks for the website btw :) |
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| 01:56.22 | curator | hey folks. im right now at the problem that i used an netinstall debian etch and im now at the point where i wish to iwconfig ath0. but it tells me no such device. i dont have the needed kernelmodule and i dont know, how to get it. i have lan access, but where in the www i can get the needed "module-file"?... |
| 01:56.23 | riot | the moscow-folks have quite a good taste. Most of the stuff they play comes from central (germany) european, though (because techno was invented in cologne, germany ;) |
| 01:56.24 | Azar | how about robboplus ? |
| 01:56.40 | robboplus | riot yes, i totally agree about that |
| 01:56.49 | robboplus | Azar may i help you? |
| 01:57.04 | [p0lar] | holymoly because all the tuturials to this one say i need disable ieee80211 support in kernel |
| 01:57.10 | Azar | robboplus: I was thinking you would like to announce the start of the weekend here |
| 01:57.20 | robboplus | Azar he he |
| 01:57.24 | robboplus | !friday |
| 01:57.24 | dpkg | somebody said friday was tardsday eve eve |
| 01:57.29 | holymoly | [p0lar]: you cannot do that by recompiling the standard kernel source in debian? |
| 01:57.33 | holymoly | that would be MUCH easier |
| 01:57.33 | riot | It's CATURDAY!! |
| 01:57.36 | robboplus | friday night is now open :) |
| 01:57.45 | Yve | lol |
| 01:57.52 | ameyer | your mom is now open |
| 01:57.57 | Yve | lol |
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| 01:57.59 | predder` | curator: so what's the problem? that the kernel on the installer doesn't support your device or there's a kernel module not loaded? |
| 01:58.06 | robboplus | ameyer and ati is soon open |
| 01:58.16 | robboplus | ameyer can your mom believe it? |
| 01:58.19 | Azar | robboplus: no, the official announcement has to be done like this: "I, robboplus officially declare the weekend start in #debian, so help me god!" |
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| 01:58.27 | ameyer | I'll believe it when I can read the friendly source |
| 01:58.31 | Yve | robboplus, is gonna b open? |
| 01:58.45 | robboplus | Azar i'm not THAT paranoid yet but please try it if you like :) |
| 01:58.46 | ameyer | I won't understand it, but I'll be able to read it |
| 01:58.47 | riot | Azar: is that true? i never noticed that before. |
| 01:58.48 | holymoly | rtfs? |
| 01:58.49 | holymoly | nice |
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| 01:59.15 | Azar | robboplus: I can't do it twice... it has to be someone who haven't done it before |
| 01:59.17 | curator | predder` the problem is, i dont have the needed module and have no access to the internet. i only have LAN access, so i could get the module from another machine. now where can i download it, save it on another machine and send it to me through lan? is it possible? |
| 01:59.28 | hesco | I'm on Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel and need linux-headers to match so I can build a module to drive a wireless usb nic. But I keep getting 404 errors from apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686. Any ideas how to handle this? I tried changing my mirror, but got the same problem. |
| 01:59.29 | predder` | I, predder officially declare the weekend to have started 12 hours ago in #debian, so help me agnosticism! |
| 01:59.39 | robboplus | Azar what happened the last time when you tried it? did it work? |
| 01:59.49 | Azar | predder`: cool, thanks, now we are in weekend |
| 01:59.51 | robboplus | predder lol |
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| 02:00.03 | robboplus | Azar define "we" |
| 02:00.16 | [p0lar] | holymoly dont worry just leave it that ok np |
| 02:00.21 | ameyer | predder`: umm, it's 181 minutes from now here |
| 02:00.33 | robboplus | been like 4 hours actually |
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| 02:00.36 | Azar | hesco: maybe you got the "old" Etch installed (that that used to be "testing") |
| 02:00.38 | predder` | ameyer - get into a better timezone :) |
| 02:00.38 | robboplus | ...and 2 beers |
| 02:00.45 | ameyer | or approximately 2 hours ago UTC |
| 02:00.47 | holymoly | [p0lar]: :) *sigh* i wish i had it on the tip of my tongue, very good investigating if thats what it is |
| 02:01.04 | Azar | hesco: because that one's apt sources used to have a key |
| 02:01.04 | robboplus | so friday night began 2 beers ago :) |
| 02:01.08 | mbroeker | can someone tell me if there is an exit 0 at the end of /etc/rc.local or not ? |
| 02:01.08 | predder` | curator - so it's a custom module not shipped with the kernel? |
| 02:01.15 | ameyer | if we're using a timezone for declaring the weekend, it should be UTC |
| 02:01.22 | [p0lar] | need to go now good night stay well :) |
| 02:01.24 | hesco | Azar: ok, so how do I proceed here? What kernel can I install so I can also get headers and get this job handled? |
| 02:01.27 | riot | ameyer: agreed! |
| 02:01.37 | predder` | ameyer: fair enough. In which case the weekend started 2 hours ago |
| 02:01.40 | Yve | right?... is friday in somewhere.. so go ahead |
| 02:01.41 | robboplus | [p0lar] true.. sex is good :s |
| 02:01.49 | Azar | hesco: first, you try search the list: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:02.12 | robboplus | how about Australia |
| 02:02.18 | Azar | hesco: second, check your sources.list again (it has to have "etch" on them, not stable, or testing) |
| 02:02.29 | curator | predder` it is an netinstall version of debian and the needed module ath_pci is not included. sounds stupid but... is there somewhere an ath_pci.deb or something like that? i need the module to download so i can send it through lan to the needed machine |
| 02:02.33 | Yve | ... ati free?.. when? someone knows something? |
| 02:02.35 | predder` | robboplus: what about Australia? |
| 02:02.43 | robboplus | Yve that's official |
| 02:02.55 | robboplus | predder it's like friday noon there already |
| 02:02.59 | riot | Yve: ati --> amd |
| 02:02.59 | holymoly | Yve: not yet |
| 02:03.01 | Azar | hesco: third, besides "etch" it has to have non-free contrib as well at the end of each source line |
| 02:03.05 | riot | Yve: amd, free? HA HA |
| 02:03.10 | holymoly | they are releasing specs for their cards apearently |
| 02:03.28 | ameyer | robboplus: you mean Saturday noon? |
| 02:03.29 | holymoly | but cannot release drm, blueray and hdd or whatever they are called |
| 02:03.32 | Yve | well that's my point... they just bla bla bla |
| 02:03.35 | predder` | robboplus, you mean saturday. Yes it is, it's a lovely 24 degree sunny saturday here in Australia |
| 02:03.40 | robboplus | ameyer oh yes, sorry |
| 02:03.45 | riot | its not saturday, its CATURDAY |
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| 02:03.55 | holymoly | Yve: well now they are owned by amd so who knows, but yes they have always been like that |
| 02:03.56 | robboplus | predder he he nice to meet you living down there :) |
| 02:03.59 | Azar | they gonna have 2D as open source drivers, 3D gonna be hard because pieces of code in the driver are not even AMD's... |
| 02:04.23 | hesco | Azar: ok, I added non-free and changed stabel to etch and am now running update/upgrade |
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| 02:04.40 | Azar | hesco: I recommend using "aptitude" for update/upgrade |
| 02:04.40 | Yve | but... is "gooder" free :) |
| 02:04.44 | riot | Azar: now, that sounds as if they'd change exactly _nothing_ |
| 02:05.03 | predder` | curator: now that I finally understand your problem I have no idea sorry! I dont believe you can add a kernel module without running unless the module is already bundled with the kernel |
| 02:05.16 | predder` | you've tried opening up another tty and modprobe <module> right? |
| 02:05.19 | Azar | riot: is not their fault man, the code is made of pieces of codes written by several and different proprietary software writers |
| 02:05.20 | hesco | Azar: the apt-cache search gave me kernel-image-2.6-686, but not the kernel-image-2.6.18-686, which I have installed. |
| 02:05.47 | riot | Azar: yep, but their announcement sounded so..... oh, forget it... *g* |
| 02:05.58 | Azar | hesco: sorry I did not payed enough attention, you installed 2.6.18 kernel and now you want what? |
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| 02:06.26 | riot | gah, either this debootstrap on a 250 cyrix is too slow, or i'm too drunk.. gosh.. |
| 02:06.29 | predder` | curator: by running I meant rebooting =\ |
| 02:06.48 | liable | they are going to disclose the 3d stuff ander NDA's |
| 02:06.54 | Azar | hesco: ahhhh man, I forgot, in etch the kernel is called "linux-image" and "linux-headers" |
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| 02:07.07 | Yve | hey u guys.. I have a little problem... I just upgrade.. but I need to re-install my nvidia drivers.. but!!! I was hacking with a glx file, and I erased it :( |
| 02:07.10 | Azar | liable: oh, man really? |
| 02:07.20 | riot | liable: so everyone who likes to use 3D has to sign their stupid nda?? funny!! |
| 02:07.21 | liable | Azar: ya, see phoronix |
| 02:07.29 | riot | liable: what if we ALL sign it? |
| 02:07.32 | holymoly | Yve: apt-get reinstall nvidia-glx right? |
| 02:07.33 | liable | riot: no, the coders |
| 02:07.42 | curator | predder` oh.. i thought i could add the needed module to modules/, reboot, and it would be loaded.... |
| 02:07.43 | predder` | riot: just the Xorg hackers I think |
| 02:07.53 | riot | liable: who determines, who's a coder and who's not? |
| 02:07.55 | Azar | liable: hmmmmm I would not keep my hopes up... phoronix writes about nouveau for months... and is the same thing over and over |
| 02:07.59 | riot | i AM! Claim otherwise! |
| 02:08.00 | Yve | holymoly, No... the "offcial" |
| 02:08.16 | liable | Azar: yeah, i'll believe it when I see it too |
| 02:08.22 | holymoly | Yve: oh apt-get updatedb, then locate nvidia |
| 02:08.27 | holymoly | delete everything you see |
| 02:08.29 | Yve | holymoly, uh!! wait.. no, not that nvidia-glx... some other glx file... |
| 02:08.34 | holymoly | then re-run their installer |
| 02:08.35 | curator | predder` like modprobe or smthg. |
| 02:08.45 | liable | are we talking about nvidia or ati here? |
| 02:08.51 | Yve | holymoly, ok tnx! |
| 02:09.18 | holymoly | np |
| 02:09.21 | predder` | curator: so wait, do you want the device usable during the install process or just on a system with a base install? |
| 02:09.25 | Azar | Yve: don't use the nvidia driver from their site, ask dpkg about : /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 02:09.55 | holymoly | Yve: you should heed what Azar said however |
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| 02:10.19 | hesco | Azar: so uname -a says: 2.6.18-4-686, I assume I want: linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 to match it? |
| 02:10.21 | Azar | hesco: how is going? |
| 02:10.26 | curator | predder` the base install is perfectly normal in my case. but NOW i want to add the missing module and get me online through wlan to build up my complete system |
| 02:10.32 | Yve | Azar, why not? |
| 02:10.38 | Azar | hesco: use the same apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 02:10.55 | Yve | I mean.. I've been working with those.. and looks fine... |
| 02:11.15 | hesco | Azar: my apt-get update is still running. |
| 02:11.20 | Azar | !nvidia drivers |
| 02:11.20 | dpkg | [nvidia drivers] ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for fast help, or go and read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 02:11.36 | predder` | curator: oh, and it's not modularised into the kernel? that's weird. It must be non-free? Again have you just tried modprobe ath_pci ? |
| 02:11.39 | Yve | tnx dpkg :p |
| 02:11.53 | Azar | hesco: for how long now? |
| 02:12.13 | hesco | Azar: I'm waiting on a friend to pick me up and run me out to the office tonight. installing kernels across a usb 1.1 nic is slow as molasses. |
| 02:12.36 | hesco | Azar: hope it gets here before my friend does. |
| 02:12.37 | holymoly | hesco: hehe :) |
| 02:12.39 | Azar | hesco: bloated kernels :) |
| 02:13.07 | curator | predder` Module ath_pci not found. isnt ath_pci the normal module needed to use wlan? i thought so by use google cause i got error on "iwconfig ath0": No such device. |
| 02:13.24 | curator | predder` you understand my weird english? :) |
| 02:13.30 | hesco | Yeah, my Thinkpad's pcmcia bus is either fried, or I haven't yet figured out how to configure it. Not sure which. |
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| 02:13.33 | riot | curator: depends. If your card is equipped with an atheros-chipset, then that is true. |
| 02:14.01 | curator | riot it is actually and atheros-chipset |
| 02:14.06 | predder` | curator: ath_pci is the module you need if your card uses the atheros-chipset. It isn't *the* wifi kernel module or anything, just one |
| 02:14.08 | hesco | So I spent money I'd rather have spent elsewhere on usb nics, two of them, for hardwire and wireless. |
| 02:14.15 | predder` | okay, then that's what you want I suppose |
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| 02:14.31 | riot | hesco: there's not much to configure. You need some modules loaded. pcmcia, pcmcia-core and at least yenta_socket |
| 02:14.44 | hesco | The nics themselves ar usb 2.0, but the usb bus on this Thinkpad 600X is apparently protocol 1.1. Like using dialup again. |
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| 02:14.46 | riot | hesco: maybe some more, but that is what i have running here at a quick glance |
| 02:15.07 | curator | predder` well, i got atheros so its the one i needed. its not on the target machine. how can i get the module from the www to my laptop, to send it over lan? is it possible? |
| 02:15.13 | riot | hesco: oh, such an old thinkpad!!?! might be different then. I'm running a t42p here ;) |
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| 02:15.29 | riot | hesco: though i have a non-working t600 next to my desk :D |
| 02:15.47 | holymoly | hesco: and it used to be considered fast |
| 02:16.04 | predder` | curator: afaik you can't just get a single module in a deb package or anything like that, you'll need to bring across a whole kernel with it built in (or modularised) |
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| 02:16.15 | riot | holymoly: i have a dell of the same generation - the thinkpad is _quite_ faster and better. |
| 02:16.53 | riot | holymoly: have you ever opened a thinkpad of that generation?? My jaw dropped down, as i did, some months ago, when i got it. SO modular! |
| 02:17.01 | predder` | curator: in your position I would probably just grab the backported kernel: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/ |
| 02:17.19 | hesco | riot: I also have pcmcia, pcmcia-core and yenta_socket installed according to lsmod. I've suspected a hardware issue since the first week I owned this. |
| 02:17.38 | riot | hesco: have you had a look at lspci and dmesg? |
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| 02:17.44 | predder` | curator, download it, bring it across with a usb flash drive or whatever then dpkg -i <package> then reboot into the kernel |
| 02:17.57 | Azar | hesco: why do you need the kernel headers again? |
| 02:18.20 | hesco | to build a module for the usb wireless nic |
| 02:18.31 | curator | predder` ill try. which version would you prefer ? :) |
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| 02:18.54 | predder` | of the kernel? well I dont know what architecture you're running! |
| 02:18.57 | Azar | hesco: I think Debian Etch already handles wireless... there are modules out there in the kernel |
| 02:19.17 | hesco | lspci says: 00:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) |
| 02:19.17 | hesco | 00:02.1 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1450 (rev 03) |
| 02:19.27 | predder` | curator, 98% chance you'll want: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.21-2-486_2.6.21-6~bpo.1_i386.deb |
| 02:19.36 | Azar | hesco: did you reboot, to give udev a chance to look and find it? |
| 02:20.08 | Azar | I know it sounds stupid to reboot... but after a kernel install... |
| 02:20.29 | curator | predder` will there be any problems afterwards when i change the kernel? |
| 02:20.44 | curator | predder` in some weeks |
| 02:21.11 | predder` | curator: doubtful, that kernel is a version that has been backported specifically to work with a stock etch system |
| 02:21.20 | holymoly | compile done, server running, life is good |
| 02:21.21 | holymoly | beer time |
| 02:21.22 | predder` | It is used by many people in here including myself :) |
| 02:21.35 | holymoly | how many shall i have on the behalf of #debian? |
| 02:21.50 | predder` | holymoly, just a good swig for me |
| 02:21.58 | predder` | a hearty one! |
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| 02:22.24 | holymoly | haha! |
| 02:22.25 | curator | predder` last thing to ask.... how to mount an usb stick? ;) |
| 02:22.39 | asg | curator: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 02:22.51 | hesco | Azar: I've rebooted several times and tested that extensively w/o success. That was my ride just calling. I need to shut this down and try again after I get to the office. Thanks for the pointers. Later. |
| 02:23.14 | Azar | hesco: good luck |
| 02:23.39 | predder` | curator: after you plug it in dmesg | tail to see what the device name is, then mkdir /mnt/usb; mount -t vfat /dev/sdx# /mnt/usb; where sdx# corresponds to your device/parition |
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| 02:24.03 | predder` | at least that's how I do it, i'm sure there's 20 different ways |
| 02:24.10 | hesco | Azar: my update finished again and I went apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686, only to get the same 404 errors. Oh well. I'll have to try again later. |
| 02:24.11 | curator | predder` ill try it all, and thanks a lot ! |
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| 02:25.51 | skyfalcon866 | hi |
| 02:26.21 | skyfalcon866 | is debian like ubuntu |
| 02:26.49 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: no, ubuntu is (a little) like debian. |
| 02:26.54 | predder` | skyfalcon866, ubuntu is based on debian. Ubuntu has made its own changes to the debian system and slapped an ubuntu sticker on it |
| 02:27.02 | skyfalcon866 | i mean by the software updates |
| 02:27.09 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: be more specific |
| 02:27.17 | skyfalcon866 | is the software updated right away when a new version is released? |
| 02:27.22 | predder` | skyfalcon866: no, debian differs greatly from ubuntu in terms of version releases |
| 02:27.35 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: no, it's updated when it's ready |
| 02:27.52 | Xenguy | skyfalcon866: the default interface (GNOME) is similar, but Debian is better :-) |
| 02:28.05 | curator | predder` i booted the kernel you suggested but with the same problem. Module ath_pci not found. |
| 02:28.06 | skyfalcon866 | i am getting sick of using out of date software |
| 02:28.18 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: so don't |
| 02:28.50 | skyfalcon866 | does debian have KDE |
| 02:28.57 | Xenguy | skyfalcon866: of course |
| 02:29.03 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: /msg dpkg search |
| 02:29.06 | riot | skyfalcon866: you'd want debian unstable then. And prepare for some problems now and then. |
| 02:29.17 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: debian has more software than any other OS ever |
| 02:29.22 | Xenguy | skyfalcon866: actually debian/stable is quite 'fresh' (only released recently) |
| 02:29.24 | asg | riot: no, skyfalcon866 doesn't want unstable |
| 02:29.31 | zinx | Gueren: psh, etch is only 14 CDs |
| 02:29.32 | Guerin | running unstable+experimental+custom packages you swon't have any old software |
| 02:29.41 | Guerin | of course, much of it will not work, but that's the price you pay |
| 02:29.43 | skyfalcon866 | is there a live cd |
| 02:29.50 | riot | Guerin: not quite right ;) |
| 02:29.55 | ameyer | I thought Etch was 4 DVDs |
| 02:29.58 | zinx | skyfalcon866: not an official one |
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| 02:30.09 | curator | predder` now heres something interesting... in ifconfig -a he tells me somthing about eth0. but i dont have an LANcard in this machine. Just an pci-wlan ... iwconfig eth0 tells me no wireless extensions.... thats misterious... |
| 02:30.10 | riot | asg: hmm. I love unstable. |
| 02:30.11 | Guerin | zinx: sarge was 14. Etch is twice that. |
| 02:30.20 | zinx | Guerin: oops, shows my age i guess :< |
| 02:30.23 | ameyer | 4 DVDs per architectture... |
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| 02:30.36 | Xenguy | riot: I used to; now I crave stable (I just want stuff to work :-) |
| 02:30.39 | ameyer | pfft, woody was only 7 CDs |
| 02:30.49 | predder` | curator: does the mac address look normal? It could be a firewire port if the mac is really long |
| 02:30.51 | skyfalcon866 | is a new version of debian released every 6 months |
| 02:30.53 | zinx | so lenny will be 8 DVDs? :) |
| 02:30.54 | Guerin | ameyer: that was source AND binary |
| 02:30.57 | zinx | skyfalcon866: No. |
| 02:30.59 | predder` | skyfalcon866, no |
| 02:30.59 | ameyer | and I thought that was ridiculous back in the day |
| 02:31.06 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: no, a new version is released every DAY |
| 02:31.12 | zinx | skyfalcon866: new debian versions are released when they're ready, and there are no release critical bugs. |
| 02:31.19 | ameyer | not to mention that Woody didn't work for me |
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| 02:31.29 | skyfalcon866 | is there sudo |
| 02:31.29 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 02:31.29 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 02:31.31 | zinx | skyfalcon866: testing/unstable are updated daily |
| 02:31.34 | skyfalcon866 | like sudo apt-get install |
| 02:31.38 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: there's whatever you fucking want |
| 02:31.50 | riot | Guerin: LOL :) |
| 02:31.51 | Guerin | !tell skyfalcon866 about reference |
| 02:31.53 | Xenguy | Guerin: overfiend, eh? |
| 02:31.57 | predder` | curator: I just asked the dpkg bot to send you some info on the chipset, I think it looks like you might need this madwifi thing? |
| 02:32.11 | skyfalcon866 | i will just look on the wikipedia page on debian |
| 02:32.24 | Guerin | skyfalcon866: as long as you stop asking stupid questions in here |
| 02:32.26 | ameyer | debian doesn't use sudo by default, but I think it can be made to behave like Ubuntu in that way... |
| 02:32.31 | asg | skyfalcon866: why not look at Debian's website? |
| 02:32.32 | riot | skyfalcon866: thats a good idea. |
| 02:32.38 | Xenguy | skyfalcon866: if you want free software, Debian is the place to be |
| 02:32.46 | ameyer | since I assume skyfalcon866 is a Ubuntu user |
| 02:33.02 | riot | quoth: "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" |
| 02:33.06 | skyfalcon866 | i am using ubuntu |
| 02:33.07 | ameyer | what he/she is describing sounds exactly like Ubuntu] |
| 02:33.33 | kgoetz | if 'free enough' is what your after then yes, debian |
| 02:33.55 | predder` | Xenguy: not according to Stallman, he recommends some other distro |
| 02:34.09 | ameyer | G-nuisance I think |
| 02:34.14 | Xenguy | predder`: well he's my hero, but he's *still* too hardcore for me :-) |
| 02:34.18 | ameyer | which is a semi-debianized Ubuntu |
| 02:34.29 | kgoetz | gNewSense |
| 02:34.32 | kgoetz | and Utatu |
| 02:34.38 | kgoetz | iirc are stallmans two |
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| 02:34.53 | predder` | but but... we put GNU in the name! |
| 02:34.56 | kgoetz | and maybe soon fedora |
| 02:35.03 | Xenguy | kgoetz: I've heard of nNewSense, not the other |
| 02:35.03 | ameyer | fsck fedora |
| 02:35.15 | Xenguy | gnu |
| 02:35.24 | kgoetz | Xenguy: the other is gentoo based. been around for a few years iirc |
| 02:35.26 | curator | predder` heres next problem. i cant compile this madwifi thing, cause i dont have the needed packages. even gcc is missing. remember? no internet access ;). i love it ..... |
| 02:35.34 | Xenguy | kgoetz: ahh, ok |
| 02:35.39 | ameyer | curator: Ubuntu much? |
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| 02:35.43 | skyfalcon866 | debian is not for me goodbye |
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| 02:35.53 | zinx | :D |
| 02:35.53 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 02:36.16 | Xenguy | "Here's a nickel kid, go buy yourself a real OS" :-P |
| 02:36.33 | predder` | curator, you'll have to get the dependancies on your other machine and install them manually from your usb key i'm afraid. Compile though? Isnt there a deb package precompiled for it? did you check the non-free mirror? |
| 02:36.51 | ameyer | Ubuntu's so crippled, it doesn't ship a compiler by default |
| 02:36.51 | riot | lol.. one of gnewsense's modifications: Added emacs to the default install - NO THANKSKBYE.. |
| 02:36.58 | predder` | curator: alternatively you could always get the first cd of the debian installer and use that as a repository until you get network access too |
| 02:37.24 | riot | rms always with his stupid emacs.. (no, please, no flamewar now ;P) |
| 02:37.47 | zinx | riot: what?!? emacs is the best OS ever! |
| 02:37.53 | predder` | haha, I was at a uni lab the other day and this guy said "OMG you're a VI USER, who the fuck uses vi?!?" |
| 02:37.56 | Xenguy | riot: I respect emacs, I just don't use it in my work |
| 02:38.03 | riot | zinx: yah, even irc and tetris integrated. My zsh has tetris, too. |
| 02:38.07 | predder` | I said, what, you're an emacs user? He said wtf is emacs? I use nano |
| 02:38.11 | kgoetz | i fear emacs *grin* |
| 02:38.21 | zamuro | !start a distro war |
| 02:38.21 | dpkg | hmm... start a distro war is Debian Rulz |
| 02:38.24 | Xenguy | predder`: hehe |
| 02:38.52 | predder` | that was a first, being ripped on for using vi by a non-emacs user |
| 02:39.09 | Xenguy | predder`: although I know a really brilliant network admin who uses 'joe' and 'nano' -- go figure |
| 02:39.41 | predder` | notepad.exe? |
| 02:39.44 | Xenguy | cat? |
| 02:39.45 | zinx | le |
| 02:39.57 | Guerin | pronounced `luh' |
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| 02:41.26 | Xenguy | zinx: wow, never heard of that one -- how did you find it? |
| 02:41.43 | zinx | Xenguy: every so often i go through finding new programs to use for a particular purpose |
| 02:41.55 | zinx | Xenguy: and use whatever i think will work best |
| 02:42.00 | zamuro | !rtfm |
| 02:42.00 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 02:42.03 | Xenguy | I love obscure but useful software :-) |
| 02:42.10 | riot | and every editor i program, i program using vi improved. |
| 02:42.11 | Xenguy | zinx ^^^ |
| 02:42.21 | Xenguy | yay vim! |
| 02:42.26 | zinx | i can't stand vi tbh |
| 02:42.35 | riot | Xenguy or blinky, the three eyed fish! |
| 02:42.45 | kgoetz | vim ftw, vi sucks |
| 02:42.58 | zinx | it's a lame line editor hacked in to attempting to be a full screen one, but i digress.. please don't let this turn in to an editor/flame war :) |
| 02:43.02 | Xenguy | vi = primitive vim |
| 02:43.11 | Guerin | vim = primitive emacs |
| 02:43.17 | Guerin | <muhahah> |
| 02:43.21 | Xenguy | hahah |
| 02:43.24 | kgoetz | lol |
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| 02:44.30 | riot | geez, tasksel is really evil. |
| 02:44.47 | asg | riot: you aren't required to use it |
| 02:45.07 | Xenguy | vim is fuckin great, I gotta say it! |
| 02:45.10 | riot | asg: yes. And i'm happy about that. Just examined some tasks.. Evil, i say! |
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| 02:45.16 | Xenguy | but I digress... |
| 02:46.07 | riot | GNF. And tasksel is buggy. Even upon selecting NO task, it just starts installing x11.. GRRR. and ispell!! on a dedicated fileserver!! GRRRRRR |
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| 02:46.42 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 02:47.01 | Guerin | that ain't right |
| 02:47.43 | riot | just happened on a etch-debbootstrap. installs tk, x11, dict, perl among other stuff.. |
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| 02:50.03 | darrh00 | why splashy on sid is slow? |
| 02:51.28 | curator | predder` when i have the 1st cd... cant i normally install debian again from this one and it will give me an small linux? or are the other cds really necessary for complete installation? |
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| 02:52.27 | Xenguy | curator: the 1st CD has the base system (all you need); then you apt-get/synaptic/aptitude the rest |
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| 02:54.51 | riot | wtf. my fileserver has an imaginary fd0 dating pre 1991, according to linux 2.6.21-2 |
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| 02:55.18 | curator | Xenguy and hopefully the ath_pci module too ;) |
| 02:56.58 | predder` | curator: I dont think the 1st cd is going to have a different kernel to the netinst, I was suggesting you use it as a repository |
| 02:57.12 | riot | yay. Up and running :> another nice debian installed. |
| 02:57.14 | predder` | so you can download packages you need off the disk until you get net access |
| 02:58.22 | curator | predder` ah, i see .... |
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| 03:03.16 | sammy | hello, |
| 03:03.33 | sammy | how can i change my user name ? |
| 03:03.38 | sammy | :) |
| 03:03.58 | predder` | on a debian system? |
| 03:04.04 | sammy | yes, plz |
| 03:04.57 | liable | usermod |
| 03:06.01 | sammy | thx, :) |
| 03:06.13 | sammy | great chan here, |
| 03:06.20 | sammy | da frensh sux :/ |
| 03:06.28 | sammy | french * |
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| 03:06.50 | earnest | what package has the X11-libraries? |
| 03:07.02 | earnest | i need to compile stuff that needs the headers and the libraries |
| 03:07.09 | hxizan | lib-x11-dev ? |
| 03:07.28 | earnest | i ran aptitude search x11 and i don't see this one |
| 03:07.38 | hxizan | apt-cache search x11 dev |
| 03:07.59 | earnest | hm, interesting; i see a lot more stuff now |
| 03:07.59 | liable | xorg-dev will give you pretty much all of em |
| 03:08.09 | earnest | what's wrong with my aptitude search x11? :( |
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| 03:09.11 | earnest | apt-get install xorg-dev |
| 03:09.36 | earnest | liable's suggestions for the win! |
| 03:10.19 | hxizan | libx11-dev |
| 03:15.12 | riot | d'oh. 512 megs is pretty small, for a nice fileserver |
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| 03:28.24 | riot | lol.. bug in noflushd.. it only seems to accept ONE drive instead of many as documented in /etc/default/noflushd ... listing more than one results in a "permission denied" error, here |
| 03:28.51 | Guerin | riot: bugs.debian.org |
| 03:28.55 | madrush | I'm a bit confused how to use the -d switch for apt-get. |
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| 03:29.18 | Guerin | madrush: easy: don't use it at all. Use aptitude. |
| 03:29.31 | riot | Guerin: i'm too lazy now :/ wanna go sleep - just spin 6 disks now first |
| 03:29.37 | Guerin | fair |
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| 03:31.52 | riot | hmhm. |
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| 03:32.15 | zu22 | i run debian testing w/ 2.6.18 kernel and ext2 fs, i have 3 partitions: hda1 (9GB MS-Win), hda2 (10GB root), hda3 (256MB swap), i want to safely/nondestructively remove space from MS-Win partition and add it to the Linux root partition, i'd also like to take a little and increase my swap size, how exactly can i safely do this? |
| 03:32.20 | riot | listing them in the "single-parameter"-config option works.. gotta check that out tomorrow and report a bug... |
| 03:32.24 | riot | good n8 for now :) |
| 03:32.25 | madrush | would you believe me if I said I cannot find the package in aptitude, yet i can find it by doing apt-cache search |
| 03:33.30 | MasterGH | zu22: An easy way would be to use a recent GParted live cd |
| 03:34.05 | liable | there are always risks doing this though |
| 03:34.25 | MasterGH | Yep |
| 03:34.56 | MasterGH | Linky: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 03:36.53 | Azar | misterrr Guerin! :) |
| 03:37.24 | zu22 | MasterGH: ah too bad i'm on dialup and no cd burner heh |
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| 03:37.38 | padd173 | Which is the best wiki engine for Debian? |
| 03:37.50 | padd173 | I'm sorry, I'd like to rephrase |
| 03:37.53 | zu22 | liable: which risks? how can i minimize them? |
| 03:38.03 | MasterGH | zu22: :( I used to be on dial-up, I'm on satellie now |
| 03:38.08 | Azar | madrush: I would believe you if you would tell us what linux distro you are using, which version |
| 03:38.17 | zu22 | MasterGH: ah, notice a big difference? |
| 03:38.18 | padd173 | Which is the most stable and easiest-to-use wiki engine for Debian? |
| 03:38.41 | MasterGH | zu22: my dialup was 28kbps, my satellite is 512kbps, so a big difference, yes :) |
| 03:39.01 | zu22 | MasterGH: nice, get much packet loss? |
| 03:39.28 | MasterGH | zu22: nope, but there is always at least .6 of a second of extra lag |
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| 03:39.42 | Guerin | unless you play online games that's ok |
| 03:39.47 | MasterGH | Yeah |
| 03:39.53 | padd173 | Anyone? |
| 03:40.00 | MasterGH | I still play RPGs on it |
| 03:40.14 | Guerin | padd173: there is no best. |
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| 03:40.33 | zu22 | MasterGH: 600ms overhead for satellite ah |
| 03:40.40 | padd173 | Guerin: Okay :-) Which would you suggest? |
| 03:40.50 | padd173 | Guerin: for a beginner? |
| 03:40.58 | MasterGH | zu22: Yeah, in the US there are better (I'm in Australia) and if you go 1-way it is less, but I have 2-way |
| 03:41.08 | Guerin | padd173: if you want simple, use kwikiwiki. If you want ultra-powerful, use mediawiki or twiki. I don't really know the others in between. |
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| 03:41.26 | zu22 | MasterGH: i have an Aussie friend using satellite also, he's out in Tooraweenah |
| 03:41.47 | MasterGH | zu22: Ahh, cool |
| 03:41.48 | padd173 | Guerin: Thanks a lot mate |
| 03:42.02 | Guerin | padd173: no wuckin' furries bro |
| 03:42.04 | Azar | hey that why is better to stay with Sarge! from debian news: "the amount of release-critical bugs has increased a lot since the |
| 03:42.07 | Azar | release of Etch. |
| 03:42.08 | Azar | " |
| 03:42.12 | MasterGH | moinmoin is a good wiki as well |
| 03:42.29 | zu22 | pad173: you can research drupal too |
| 03:42.29 | Guerin | mm, trac has a good rep too |
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| 03:42.37 | Guerin | and the guy who makes it is a fucking genius |
| 03:43.07 | Azar | Guerin: don't say... might be Theo de Raadt? |
| 03:43.25 | Guerin | Azar: nope. |
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| 03:51.47 | BUMBACL0T | should i download the deb package or compile my own? |
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| 03:55.14 | Azar | BUMBACL0T: if Debian is not offering you a package you want you can compile your own, then deal with dependencies |
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| 03:56.30 | duke3d | hey.. wheres the rc file that I need to edit to include my font? |
| 03:56.59 | duke3d | everytime I switch between X and terminal, my font changes for some reason |
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| 04:00.30 | duke3d | thats pretty annyoing.. this problem begin to happen when I installed console-utils or something like that |
| 04:00.51 | duke3d | arrgh |
| 04:01.27 | Azar | duke3d: I don't use a desktop so I would not know about your X fonts, I manage the very few fonts I have with my openbox manager |
| 04:01.37 | atoponce | uname -r shows 2.6.22-2-amd64 yet there is only a linux-source-2.6.22 package. why is there not a linux-source-2.6.22-2-amd64 package? |
| 04:01.43 | duke3d | Azar not in X |
| 04:01.57 | zu22 | does anyone know of a program which will display chinese characters and allow me to cut/paste chinese to/from it? openoffice is too big and i tried but it just displayed weird symbols instead of the fonts and i installed the chinese fonts and they work in firefox so not sure what's wrong, something like 'gedit' which handles chinese would be cool, MS Wordpad can do the job so i hope there is a Linux alternative |
| 04:02.01 | duke3d | terminal.. but my font changes after switching between X and console |
| 04:02.07 | Azar | duke3d: uh in cli I only have one font of one size :) |
| 04:02.09 | duke3d | terminal console whtever |
| 04:02.19 | Azar | duke3d: same here man |
| 04:02.30 | Azar | in console are huge, in X are pretty decent |
| 04:02.53 | atoponce | i guess, really, why isn't there a linux-source-2.6.22-2 package? |
| 04:03.24 | atoponce | does linux-source-2.6.22 cover all branches in the .22 tree? |
| 04:03.25 | Azar | atoponce: is called k8 |
| 04:03.38 | atoponce | Azar: k8? |
| 04:03.47 | Azar | 2.6.22-2-k8 |
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| 04:04.11 | atoponce | i don't see a source package for that kernel |
| 04:04.15 | giwe | Is there a script that apply good heuristics and partitions the disk for you? |
| 04:04.28 | CrAzYWolF | mmm im installing debian none of the mirror works in the installation |
| 04:04.40 | CrAzYWolF | to download teh new pkg |
| 04:04.42 | atoponce | linux-source, linux-source-2.6 and linux-source-2.6.22 are all that are listed |
| 04:04.43 | duke3d | does anyone know where the conf that initializes fonts are ? |
| 04:04.49 | Azar | atoponce: I was guessing, I never searched or installed a .22 - is bloated |
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| 04:05.11 | atoponce | can anyone else help me? |
| 04:05.33 | Azar | CrAzYWolF: what new pkg? |
| 04:06.02 | CrAzYWolF | the update |
| 04:06.08 | CrAzYWolF | that apt does |
| 04:06.16 | CrAzYWolF | installing the cd |
| 04:06.48 | Azar | CrAzYWolF: #comment the cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list and use an actually net source http:// or ftp:// |
| 04:07.14 | CrAzYWolF | ok cool will change it |
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| 04:13.26 | bobbyyu | Can I ask an Ubuntu question here? |
| 04:13.35 | zu22 | !ubuntu |
| 04:13.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 04:14.29 | Azar | ask |
| 04:15.03 | Azar | zu22: don't have to be meanie.... is weekend, let him ask man |
| 04:15.24 | nvz | I could I use rsync on a locally mounted samba share for backup? |
| 04:15.46 | zu22 | Azar: not being mean just stating that this is not best to ask, why can't he ask on #ubuntu? i wouldn't go to #redhat to ask a debian question :D |
| 04:16.17 | nvz | I've only used it before to remotely sync across ssh but I was thinking it'd work just the same locally |
| 04:16.21 | Azar | zu22: right, that apply on weekdays... but on weekends, lots of folks come with lots of weird questions |
| 04:16.36 | Azar | besides... we might get some good quotes |
| 04:17.11 | kgoetz | ubuntus got more channels then the rest of freenode combined, if he cant find help theres problems |
| 04:17.17 | kgoetz | (i exagurate) |
| 04:17.23 | ameyer | I wouldn't go to #redhat for anything other than trolling purposes... |
| 04:17.25 | Azar | right they got forums too |
| 04:17.38 | nvz | ameyer: heh |
| 04:17.41 | Azar | ameyer: why are redhats so bad? |
| 04:18.15 | ameyer | I've never used redhat, but from what I saw of Fedora, it sucks |
| 04:18.19 | kgoetz | Azar: its really hard to get hte blood out ;) |
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| 04:18.24 | nvz | redhat was my first linux distro and I got a bad impression.. though that was back in the day.. during one of thier worst releases RH5.2 |
| 04:18.40 | Azar | well I have to confess, at work got lots of systems running, mostly windows ofcourse... only one linux server: redhat and man, I have to admit, comparing with windows, is the neatest thing in the computers room |
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| 04:19.39 | Azar | nvz: it only takes care of one things: call accounting (telephones) but its simplicity and sturdiness beg respect |
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| 04:20.21 | nvz | yeah well thats not saying much |
| 04:20.22 | nvz | heh |
| 04:21.11 | zu22 | Azar: ok, i don't have a big issue if he wants to ask, just trying to do some education :) |
| 04:21.49 | Azar | nvz: I like simple software that does exactly what is ment for, as compared with eye candy glittery one, with lots of clicks and buttons you got to navigate in order to achieve a simple execution |
| 04:22.29 | nvz | yeah you aren't telling me anything I don't already know.. we just swiched a box to vista its driving me nuts |
| 04:22.47 | nvz | I can't figure out how to get it to save a samba password and login automatically for the life of me |
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| 04:23.18 | Azar | nvz: oh my god... you are spoiled to the free software trying to get something out of a proprietary system? |
| 04:23.21 | nvz | I set the "remember password" box when I login and I even tried mapping a network drive and telling it "reconnect at login" still doesnt do it |
| 04:23.34 | zu22 | Vista is the work of Satan! |
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| 04:23.47 | nvz | its really fucking me on getting the linux server to backup all the files from windows |
| 04:24.03 | nvz | cause I want to just have a mapped network drive so the files get saved directly to the server |
| 04:24.04 | Azar | nvz: don't know about Vista but I guess there are a service you got to enable in XP for example in order to start it (and have credentials set for it) |
| 04:24.41 | nvz | Azar: idk.. I would think being that it all works file/print sharing.. that is already setup.. though its just not remembering to connect at login |
| 04:24.43 | Azar | and there is that dreaded Windows Firewall that might play you tricks |
| 04:25.22 | Dewi | what is this? #windows? |
| 04:25.22 | nvz | We've got 90days free tech support from microsoft from the first call.. but I'm trying to figure out what all is pissing me off before I make that first call |
| 04:25.31 | Azar | .... something like "save the user from its own failures" process or service |
| 04:25.58 | dalias | everyone always says the newest windows version is the work of satan because of draconian copying restrictions |
| 04:26.09 | dalias | and every time the warez dudes fix it easily |
| 04:26.17 | dalias | :) |
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| 04:26.53 | Azar | hehe they started throwing rotten tomatoes at their own XP in order to make the people move to Vista |
| 04:27.13 | alexi5 | is there much difference between debian and ubuntu |
| 04:27.38 | dalias | ubuntu is full of non-free stuff and installs a lot of default preconfigured gui bloat that you might or might not want |
| 04:27.41 | Azar | alexi5: yes, the way I heard they dont use the same packages and ubuntu is based on debian UNSTABLE |
| 04:28.02 | alexi5 | ok |
| 04:28.07 | Azar | maybe they are using untested, unsafe packages? |
| 04:28.49 | dalias | if you want something where you boot up the first time and it looks like windows (but with a less-ugly ui) and automatically supports all your hardware with non-free unstable binaryware drivers, then ubuntu is probably for you |
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| 04:29.27 | Azar | helloo mister jetscreamer |
| 04:29.30 | nvz | but in the long run debian is more tested and has a wider support community |
| 04:29.50 | alexi5 | and if i want a stable OS to use as a file server and also use for developmenet, debian is better ? |
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| 04:30.02 | dalias | if you want something very customizable from lightweight-server (relative to other distros; it's not at all lightweight on an absolute scale) to hardcore desktop configuration, that doesn't impose security-bypassing gui tools on you, then debian is the answer |
| 04:30.03 | nvz | alexi5: probably |
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| 04:30.17 | nvz | alexi5: sometimes for development being more up-to-date is important |
| 04:30.26 | alexi5 | ok |
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| 04:30.32 | dalias | yeah for development you may want very-up-to-date |
| 04:30.34 | epsilon | first time using linux? |
| 04:30.36 | Azar | nvz: yeah there is a tough choice: want stable, with more community support? -> Debian. Want latest packages -> Ubuntu |
| 04:30.37 | dalias | but debian unstable is very up-to-date |
| 04:30.37 | nvz | alexi5: I wouldnt be doing production services and development on the same box |
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| 04:30.48 | alexi5 | epsilon:nah |
| 04:31.03 | kgoetz | testing ftw |
| 04:31.08 | alexi5 | i have used fedora |
| 04:31.09 | dalias | i've hardly found any critically-outdated packages in debian unstable |
| 04:31.18 | dalias | the only one i can think of right off is abiword |
| 04:31.26 | zu22 | MS Windows is total shit, please let's not even waste electrons discussing it here in #debian, thanks. |
| 04:31.37 | nvz | I lost interest in abiword ages ago |
| 04:31.40 | K`zan | How do I figure out which pacage contains "bluepin", it seems to have disappeared and I re-installed everything I could think of. Google no help :-(. TIA! |
| 04:31.47 | dalias | you need to unstable devel version of abiword for ctl (non-euro/cjk-script) language support |
| 04:31.54 | cast | K`zan: apt-file search |
| 04:31.56 | epsilon | K`zan: apt-file |
| 04:32.02 | K`zan | THanks! |
| 04:32.28 | dalias | nvz, i kinda did too, but it's nice for lightweight work when i don't want to wait 45 seconds for oowriter to load and swap the whole box to hell |
| 04:32.31 | K`zan | apt-file: command not found |
| 04:32.35 | epsilon | BTW, with packages.debian.org you should be able to search the content of packages too, in all arch/version |
| 04:32.44 | epsilon | install it |
| 04:32.49 | cast | K`zan: so what do you think you should do... |
| 04:33.00 | epsilon | apt-get install apt-file, apt-file update, apt-file search foo |
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| 04:33.28 | dalias | every once in a while i get mad at debian, but for the most part i love it now |
| 04:33.29 | K`zan | cast foo? |
| 04:33.38 | dalias | it's a lot better than when i first tried it in 1998 |
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| 04:34.41 | nvz | well I am going to the store I guess.. gonna setup routing on my server to split the network in two so I don't have to hear people saying I gave access from borough computers to the police department, even though they've always been on the same network for the past like 10 years.. suddenly people want to grill my ass so they blame shit on me cause I moved a network box from 6 inches onto the other side of a wall and they ignorantly think that |
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| 04:35.18 | K`zan | Looks like bluepin doesn't exist. Was working fine and it *seems* that whatever queries for the PIN disappeared and it hasn't worked since. Any thoughts appreciated. Bluetooth headset for sound is NICE, I'm severely missing it :-). |
| 04:35.54 | nvz | I tried to tell them if the police are running insecure services that this matters, they are already fucked |
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| 04:36.51 | epsilon | K`zan, try apt-cache search bluetooth, especially the package bluez-utils, kdebluetooth and it's dependencies |
| 04:37.40 | alexi5 | do you any of you guys use windows for anything ? |
| 04:37.51 | epsilon | I detected my bluetooth stuff with hcitool and paired with kdebluetooth stuff |
| 04:38.03 | nvz | alexi5: unfortunately most of us have to deal with windows in our daily lives, yes |
| 04:38.22 | alexi5 | ok |
| 04:38.31 | epsilon | alexi5: I do, W2K, and Vista for checking out |
| 04:38.44 | nvz | I stopped doing tech work for 3 years after I learned the ins and outs of debian cause I never wanted to support windows again |
| 04:38.44 | kgoetz | alexi5: no i dont *have* to. i help a community group with their mixed network though |
| 04:38.45 | cast | alexi5: i use it as an excuse to not help people, "oh so your windows box keeps crashing? sorry, i don't know how to fix that - i don't use windows" |
| 04:38.54 | nvz | now I've realize there are certain things I'm just gonna have to live with |
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| 04:39.19 | cast | nvz: there are always choices ;) |
| 04:39.25 | nvz | personally my thoughts are reflected in these factiods I made |
| 04:39.28 | nvz | !windows |
| 04:39.28 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 04:39.30 | nvz | !gates |
| 04:39.30 | dpkg | hmm... gates is In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 04:39.44 | Kevin` | Heh |
| 04:40.01 | nvz | ;) |
| 04:40.04 | epsilon | where's the joke with apache tent? |
| 04:40.31 | K`zan | epsilon: TRying re-installing the blue-utils now. |
| 04:40.38 | K`zan | epsilon: Thanks! |
| 04:41.05 | nvz | cast: yeah well in this govt gig, my choices are to find a replacement on debian for LaserFische, MS Office, including things like Publisher, Quickbooks..etc and then I have to do tech support for them when I got people from Intuit, Microsoft, and General Code for that right now |
| 04:41.12 | alexi5 | i want to make linux my permanent OS but kind a run into an obstacle which is it doesn't support my sound blaster xfi card |
| 04:41.52 | epsilon | current soundblaster cards aren't supported in linux - sadly |
| 04:42.21 | nvz | cast: so its my understanding its better just to work with them rather than against them.. I'm not getting paid enough to support things at the level these commercial companies do.. and once I am on council in January I can't charge the borough for anything.. so I am definatly not taking on that responsibility |
| 04:42.28 | zu22 | epsilon: cause of closed firmware or something? |
| 04:42.47 | K`zan | epsilon: I'm out of ideas, would it make sense to remove *everything* to do with bluetooth and install it all again. Whatever is supposed to ask me for pin just isn't here :-(. |
| 04:43.08 | epsilon | I bought instead a 5.1 card from terratec for like 15 Euro and hop - native support by Alsa, full 5.1 sound on bootup :) So forget x00 Euro Soundblaster... |
| 04:44.13 | K`zan | Sheez, to remove libbluetooth, synaptic wants to remove a LARGE pile of unrelated stuff, WTF?!?! |
| 04:44.19 | epsilon | if you are looking for /usr/bin/passkey-agent, it's in kdebluetooth |
| 04:45.10 | K`zan | epsilon: I'll try re-installing that again, not sure that is what works with the btsco stuff though. Yes, totally confused after trying to get this back working for a week now as I have time :-). |
| 04:45.30 | cast | nvz: i was more thinking find a new job :D |
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| 04:49.40 | K`zan | epsilon: That didn't work either, about to the point of doing a wipe/reinstall to fix this thing - either that or get a corded headset. |
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| 04:50.28 | K`zan | epsilon: Thanks for your help, but something is REALLY screwy here, digging out the install CDs. |
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| 04:52.03 | vignesh | anyone know where I can get debian stickers for my laptop ? |
| 04:53.33 | liable | i think they mention it on debian.org in the merchandise section |
| 04:53.46 | vignesh | I`ll check it out |
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| 04:59.39 | NiCeBoY | hello here.. i neeed some help about the "find" command on ssh.. i want to search for the file "test.conf" in a folder that contains many subfolders and file.. how i should type the command and with what syntax please?? |
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| 05:01.14 | kgoetz | NiCeBoY: find on ssh? |
| 05:01.21 | NiCeBoY | yes. |
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| 05:01.26 | NiCeBoY | on ssh. |
| 05:01.27 | kgoetz | find in general is `find ./path/here -name ofFileHere |
| 05:01.31 | ricky | Read about -name. |
| 05:01.44 | peterS | ricky: if you're going to mention something, why bother with /me? just mention it |
| 05:01.48 | DexTerDDIT | can somebody help me ??? |
| 05:02.13 | kgoetz | DexTerDDIT: no |
| 05:02.16 | kgoetz | :D |
| 05:02.34 | cast | DexTerDDIT: has you fallen down a well? i have some rope |
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| 05:02.48 | DexTerDDIT | :D |
| 05:02.57 | DexTerDDIT | k trow my a line :P |
| 05:02.58 | ricky | peterS: Hm, habit, I guess. |
| 05:03.21 | ricky | I never realized that it was redundant ;) |
| 05:03.48 | NiCeBoY | kgoetz if i have to search for the file "test.conf" in the folder /etc/test/ what command i should use pleasE? |
| 05:04.26 | kgoetz | NiCeBoY: i was fairly clear about it 10 lines ago |
| 05:08.51 | NiCeBoY | kgoetz this is wat am getting :( ks351023:~# find ./etc/test -test.conf |
| 05:08.51 | NiCeBoY | find: prédicat invalide `-test.conf' |
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| 05:10.05 | man_in_shack | anyone know if there's a way to get a computer to automagically register its hostname in the dns of a modem/router? |
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| 05:11.47 | nvz | cast: hah, well I am an independant consultant and I've been working everything from building student housing to Mc'Ds in the past few years when I got sick of computer work.. and well I found out computers is still where I belong.. and what i learned doing construction is that if you wanna be an independant contractor you cant turn down jobs or you lose money and business |
| 05:13.03 | nvz | Its just a test of my abilities to which I will gain more experience when I learn to deal with shit instead of walking away from it |
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| 05:13.56 | nvz | right now I am about to do iptables for the first time to shut up some morons who have no idea what the fuck they are talking about |
| 05:14.37 | nvz | gonna stick the borough secretary's pc behind my server and use IP tables to block all traffic to the police dept until the new building is done and I physically seperate the two |
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| 05:17.27 | nvz | I think I can just setup a transparent bridge that will drop these packets and still use the dhcp and nat on the router. |
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| 05:19.19 | nvz | ah shit.. I need a crossover cable for this.. er no wait.. just gotta be smarter than what I am working with.. heh |
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| 05:25.47 | SF7 | how do I see my thumb drive in debian? |
| 05:26.08 | nvz | ever seen a glade plugins commercial |
| 05:26.09 | nvz | ? |
| 05:26.51 | SF7 | tried that |
| 05:27.03 | nvz | if you are using a standard desktop install it should be automagic if you have hal, udev..etc |
| 05:27.13 | nvz | though I can walk you through the manual way I guess |
| 05:27.41 | nvz | pull it out, then plug it back in and type dmesg and see what kind of information you get |
| 05:27.49 | SF7 | I plug it in and nothing happens. I have a standard desktop install, but on a very old computer |
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| 05:28.06 | nvz | paste just the last line |
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| 05:29.25 | nvz | the age of the pc doesn't really matter.. though I don't know much about that automagic stuff.. if it works, cool, if not screw it.. heh.. I just know the old way. I've been using this system long before hal, udev, gnome-volume-manager..etc |
| 05:29.26 | mithro | if I have made some changes to some source I downloaded, how do I get a diff between the debian original and my changes? |
| 05:29.45 | cast | mithro: with diff? :\ |
| 05:29.45 | nvz | use "diff" ? heh |
| 05:29.56 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.57 | nvz | cast: you almost feel stupid saying that :P |
| 05:30.20 | atoponce | why is my ethernet interface eth1? i don't have anything taking up eth0 that i'm aware... |
| 05:30.20 | nvz | SF7: its on your desktop, no? |
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| 05:30.30 | nvz | atoponce: dmesg | grep eth |
| 05:30.43 | mithro | cast: so I have to extract the sources again in another directory and diff them manually, there is no "./debian/rules diff" or similar? |
| 05:30.49 | duke3d | hey.. how do I add non-free repositories ? |
| 05:31.03 | duke3d | or where |
| 05:31.10 | cast | !non-free |
| 05:31.10 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there. See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about <vrms> |
| 05:31.20 | atoponce | aaron@kratos:~/Desktop$ sudo dmesg | grep eth |
| 05:31.20 | atoponce | e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 05:31.20 | atoponce | udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1 |
| 05:31.20 | nvz | duke3d: just add "non-free" do the end of your regular "deb" source line in /etc/apt/sources.list and apt-get update |
| 05:31.22 | _sf7 | no |
| 05:31.27 | atoponce | nvz: ^^ |
| 05:31.46 | nvz | atoponce: well there is your answer :P |
| 05:31.52 | nvz | what are you telling me for :P |
| 05:32.00 | epsilon | atoponce: etch? |
| 05:32.03 | nvz | atoponce: blame udev |
| 05:32.05 | atoponce | nvz: ok, so can i keep it from getting renamed? |
| 05:32.07 | nvz | !blame udev |
| 05:32.11 | atoponce | epsilon: sid |
| 05:32.23 | atoponce | i'd prefer to use eth0... |
| 05:32.28 | nvz | I don't know squat about udev |
| 05:32.30 | liable | atoponce: remove the modules, then remove your persistent net rules file |
| 05:32.43 | liable | then reload them |
| 05:32.46 | epsilon | atoponce: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 05:32.55 | liable | in order |
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| 05:33.25 | atoponce | liable: what modules to remove? |
| 05:33.28 | sadmin | hi all |
| 05:33.33 | nvz | atoponce: e1000 apparently |
| 05:33.36 | sadmin | any one works on debain |
| 05:33.36 | liable | e1000 and iwl4965 |
| 05:33.38 | sadmin | ipsec |
| 05:33.42 | epsilon | atoponce: if unsure, just reboot :P |
| 05:33.51 | nvz | liable: what's the other one? |
| 05:33.55 | atoponce | ahh. it's giving my firewire eth0 |
| 05:33.58 | liable | nvz: his wireless |
| 05:33.58 | sadmin | i want to connect my one site to another over internet through ipsec |
| 05:34.03 | sadmin | any idea |
| 05:34.04 | duke3d | nvz thanks |
| 05:34.04 | atoponce | well, in that case, it's not so bad, i guess |
| 05:34.05 | slapfaceware | debian works on me |
| 05:34.10 | duke3d | nvz install ati drivers |
| 05:34.10 | nvz | liable: oh.. and where did you get that context clue from? |
| 05:34.11 | atoponce | i just figured it wasn't being used |
| 05:34.23 | nvz | duke3d: no thanks, I don't have an ati card |
| 05:34.29 | liable | nvz: was just helping him in #ipw2100 :) |
| 05:34.37 | duke3d | nvz installing :) |
| 05:34.43 | atoponce | goes to show what assumptions do... :) |
| 05:34.43 | SF7 | nvz: dmesg finds it, but it doesn't appear on the desktop, nor in the 'computer' window. how to locate it? |
| 05:34.44 | nvz | liable: ah.. I thought something slipped past me and I needed to have my head examined. |
| 05:35.01 | duke3d | hehe |
| 05:35.21 | nvz | SF7: it being in dmesg doesnt mean its ready to use.. you can pretend to know more than me, or you can just do what I ask and paste the last line |
| 05:36.28 | _sf7 | USB mass Storage support registered. |
| 05:36.47 | nvz | thats a good thing |
| 05:37.04 | nvz | what about a line mentioning USB mass storage claiming the thumbdrive? |
| 05:37.09 | nvz | like sda: blah blah |
| 05:37.59 | cast | dmesg |egrep 'sd.:.*sectors' maybe maybe |
| 05:38.35 | nvz | yeap someone else can feel free to jump in most I can do is manually mount this puppy.. I know or care nothing about all these new fangled automagic methods |
| 05:39.23 | cast | i quite like the usbmount package, but by default it refuses to mount fat32 due to dodgy 2.6.18 syncness |
| 05:39.32 | atoponce | liable: so, linux-source-2.6.22 will cover all 2.6.22-* branches, when i get updates? |
| 05:39.37 | nvz | either way info in dmesg will give clues to if the lower levels are working.. USB Host, SCSI Disk Mod, USB Mass Storage..etc |
| 05:40.13 | nvz | I hate automounters |
| 05:40.13 | atoponce | liable: meaning, i won't have to go through this for ever kernel update? |
| 05:40.15 | nvz | even for USB |
| 05:40.24 | nvz | sometimes I just plug my shit in to recharge it |
| 05:40.29 | nvz | don't need it mounting |
| 05:40.46 | liable | atoponce: yeah |
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| 05:41.32 | atoponce | liable: good. now to get sound working... |
| 05:41.33 | atoponce | :) |
| 05:41.40 | nvz | strange place to start in appendix D |
| 05:41.54 | nvz | but so far this is the first time I am trying to do something I'm not certain how to do |
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| 05:41.58 | liable | nvz: heh, i found myself there just the other day |
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| 05:42.21 | nvz | liable: yeah I'm consulting on how to setup a transparent firewall :P |
| 05:42.37 | liable | i forget why i ended up there |
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| 05:43.15 | bonez44 | why might I get these errors >>> http://pastebin.ca/686848 ? ne1?? |
| 05:43.20 | nvz | someone (unknown) is talking shit about me saying I somehow gave access to the police dept from outside.. when the only change what-so-ever I made was moving the linksys router from one side of a wall approx 6 inches to the other side of a wall.. not changing network topology at all |
| 05:43.41 | dad | i just did a successful stable -> testing upgrade :) is there a need here for a 'HOWTO'? or perhaps just impressions/suggestions/qualitative stuff? |
| 05:43.43 | liable | gave access to the cops how? |
| 05:44.03 | nvz | all computers have always been on the same network. they apparently just think cause the secretary is running vista now and it is smart enough to browse for other workgroups in the network places automatically they are less secure |
| 05:44.25 | duke3d | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.29 | nvz | besides all the logistics of the situation.. if those police are running services that can be accessed they are already screwed |
| 05:44.29 | duke3d | not work |
| 05:44.31 | dad | nvz: stupid people |
| 05:44.39 | duke3d | ;/ |
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| 05:45.03 | nvz | they dont have shit on their pcs anyhow.. they use a VPN client to access a SSL secured county website for filing reports |
| 05:45.04 | wols_ | !tell dad about etch->lenny |
| 05:45.30 | wols_ | dad: as you can see we already have a howto for that |
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| 05:46.05 | nvz | liable: they aren't cops they are "Police Officers" Ed the Truck Inspector Officer told me recently when I called him a cop |
| 05:46.20 | nvz | liable: I just laughed at him |
| 05:46.23 | liable | heh |
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| 05:46.34 | liable | nvz: call him a pig next time |
| 05:46.56 | liable | though i imagine you might find yourself in a dank cell shortly afterward |
| 05:46.59 | dad | wols_: something wrong w/ that - 2.6 kernel is a MUST - libc6 needs a 2.6 kernel, w/o that the whole process stops dead |
| 05:47.15 | wols_ | dad: read the factoid again |
| 05:47.29 | Daemon- | hi, im trying to installed fail2ban and i think everything is setup fine but i cant find where to specify my iptables script,,, anyone any experience with this? |
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| 05:47.54 | nvz | liable: I was in the pd and talking to the council president, and he asked me if there were any cops down there.. and I was like yeah.. there are a lot of cops here right now.. when Ed said that to me, and the council president said to tell him "We only hire cops here" but I didn't say it.. I got a tad bit more respect for the police, especially Ed, hes been an officer a very long time |
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| 05:48.53 | xjkx | is there a cronometer software? |
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| 05:50.04 | netstar | I am installing packages from a repository where the packages index is in directory /blah/x and it lists the packages installed in the directory /packages which is a root directory, but, it is trying to install from blah/x/packages...how can I solve this? |
| 05:50.11 | nvz | oh well.. I am doing all this work setting up a bridge to seperate the secretary's office from the police dept for no real purpose.. its always been on the same network.. someone just wants to make me look stupid and its not gonna work nobody around here gets up early enough in the morning for that.. if they all put their brains together they couldn't make me look stupid |
| 05:50.19 | wols_ | xjkx: if you need the time: "date" |
| 05:50.56 | nvz | only person makes me look dumb, is me.. and i reserve exclusive rights to that |
| 05:51.14 | xjkx | wols_: its for subitles purpose, i need a chronometer :> date might make me waste seconds |
| 05:51.14 | SF8 | nvz: I cannot find any mention of sda.. it finds the device 'usb.c: new USB device..... assigned address 2 |
| 05:51.36 | nvz | SF8: sounds like you need to load sd_mod |
| 05:51.58 | wols_ | SF8: he gave you a grep line to use |
| 05:52.07 | dad | wols_: but the factiod wording is 'should be running a 2.6 kernel'... IMHO, it should read 'must be... ...2.6 kernel' |
| 05:52.35 | wols_ | SF8: correction. cast did |
| 05:52.36 | nvz | SF8: first the USB Host conrtoller claims it, which is that right there, then USB Mass Storage claims that USB bus address 2, then calls on sd_mod (scsi disk support) to assign it a block device node such as /dev/sda or such |
| 05:52.40 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.31 | nvz | then you can mount that device node to the VFS then its ready to use |
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| 05:54.09 | dad | ho hum, i guess it's in there, even if the wording's not as strong as i think it should be (who am i any way??? ) |
| 05:54.38 | nvz | you are dad |
| 05:54.38 | SF8 | ' registered a new driver USB storage' then 'scsil : scsi emulation for USB mass storage devices' ... there is some more stuff after this |
| 05:55.02 | nvz | dad: nobody respects dad, as chris rock said.. only thing dad gets is the big piece of chicken |
| 05:55.08 | wols_ | SF8: has someone told you what a pastebin is? |
| 05:55.09 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.34 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.54 | nvz | nobody ever says, man it sure is easy to read with all this light, thanks dad for knockin out that electric bill. |
| 05:55.56 | wols_ | SF8: I'd look for a sd?1 |
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| 05:57.12 | Jawoota | hey sweeties |
| 05:57.23 | mypapit | hey |
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| 05:57.41 | liable | r u a grl? |
| 05:57.45 | dad | nvz: lol! that's the way it's been for a long time |
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| 05:58.14 | dad | now, if i could just get mu menus back... |
| 05:58.16 | Jawoota | liable: yeah asl |
| 05:58.26 | dad | oops s/mu/my |
| 05:58.41 | K`zan | Question: I am running a 32 bit distro here because of problems with 64 bit stuff. What I am wondering is if I should leave processor type at K7 or compile the kernel (ONLY) for AMD64? TIA. |
| 05:58.50 | Jawoota | dad: restart KDE |
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| 05:59.10 | dad | Jawoota: did you say 'GNOME? |
| 05:59.32 | Jawoota | s/KDE/GNOME |
| 06:00.00 | wols_ | K`zan: if you compile your own kernel: whatever you like |
| 06:00.02 | K`zan | Or can you have a 64 bit kernel in a 32 bit distro. |
| 06:00.11 | wols_ | K`zan: yes you can |
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| 06:00.28 | K`zan | wols_: I just don't want to suddenly start having problems with 64 bit O/S agin. |
| 06:00.30 | dad | something's wrong - no5t even 'update-menus' gives me what i had - perhaps i lost it in the upgrade? |
| 06:00.48 | wols_ | K`zan: there won't be. your userland stays 32bit |
| 06:00.53 | K`zan | wols_: Thanks! I'll try it and hope everything else doesn't end up 64 bit. |
| 06:01.03 | K`zan | wols_: Thanks, got it now, MUCH appreciated! |
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| 06:01.30 | wols_ | K`zan: your libc6 is already partially 64bit (even on 32bit debian, I have a k7 and it has 64bit parts), just so you can run a 64bit kernel in your install |
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| 06:02.30 | Firefishe | Is Debian available for PowerPC architecture? |
| 06:02.37 | liable | yep |
| 06:02.46 | cast | debian.org/ports/ |
| 06:02.53 | Firefishe | thanks.. |
| 06:03.16 | Jawoota | FirefisheL: do consider buying a MacBook |
| 06:03.26 | Jawoota | FirefisheL: much nicer |
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| 06:04.25 | SF7 | last few lines of dmesg are ' warning: USB mass storage data integrity not assured' , ' USB mass storage device found at 2' ' USB mass storage support registered ' |
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| 06:04.49 | Arafangion | Jawoota: Somewhat decent OS too, but crappy after sales support. :( |
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| 06:05.44 | dad | Jawoota: i have 2 power mac g3's, running umbutu |
| 06:06.06 | Jawoota | dad: I have a green iMac |
| 06:06.22 | dad | mined are blue :) |
| 06:06.40 | Jawoota | what color is the product of mixing green and blue? |
| 06:06.48 | Arafangion | Jawoota: Aqua. |
| 06:07.20 | robboplus | how do you send SIGINIT with kill command? |
| 06:07.36 | craig__ | kill -SIGINIT $pid |
| 06:07.41 | robboplus | craig__ many thanks! |
| 06:07.54 | ricky | Do you mean SIGINT? |
| 06:07.59 | robboplus | oh yes |
| 06:08.06 | robboplus | sorry for mistyping that one |
| 06:08.33 | robboplus | so is this the better way of killing instead of kill -9? |
| 06:08.42 | robboplus | i would like something gentle |
| 06:08.47 | liable | !kill 9 |
| 06:08.53 | liable | heh |
| 06:08.57 | robboplus | rofl |
| 06:09.03 | liable | not what i was after :0 |
| 06:09.11 | kgoetz | ouch |
| 06:09.14 | robboplus | ok i know that kill -9 is just horrible |
| 06:09.19 | robboplus | but what is good then? |
| 06:09.20 | Jawoota | robboplus: don't kill processes |
| 06:09.28 | liable | kill 6 is ok |
| 06:09.29 | Jawoota | robboplus: let them hang around forever |
| 06:09.37 | robboplus | Jawoota sometimes i just need to... i got one that freezes from time to time |
| 06:09.55 | Jawoota | robboplus: stop running buggy code |
| 06:09.55 | robboplus | liable hm is 6 same as SIGINT? |
| 06:09.57 | Jawoota | :) |
| 06:10.04 | robboplus | Jawoota that's not an option |
| 06:10.31 | liable | robboplus: man kill |
| 06:10.33 | robboplus | afaik SIGINT = ctrl-c |
| 06:10.39 | robboplus | ok... |
| 06:10.41 | c_newbie | hm |
| 06:10.48 | c_newbie | which one is fastest, raid 0 or raid 10 |
| 06:10.53 | SF7 | how do I load a module? I thought it was insmod, but it says command not found |
| 06:10.58 | c_newbie | to read/write |
| 06:11.12 | robboplus | SF7 modprobe |
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| 06:18.42 | SF7 | how to mount it? |
| 06:18.45 | c_newbie | is raid 0 faster than raid 10 |
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| 06:18.50 | sadmin | guys |
| 06:18.56 | sadmin | i need help in ipsec |
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| 06:21.51 | amazon10x | hello |
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| 06:27.00 | dad | wierd - when i run apt-spy, i get a strange error - http://pastebin.com/d6da7cc66 |
| 06:27.20 | dad | # |
| 06:27.21 | dad | *** glibc detected *** apt-spy: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x08078a28 *** |
| 06:27.33 | streuner | What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 06:28.05 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:28.26 | dad | slavedriver:~# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 06:28.26 | dad | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:28.39 | streuner | hm, testing NOT stable |
| 06:29.12 | dad | streuner: yes, tsting - i just upgraded, today |
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| 06:29.38 | amazon10x | i setup a default debian install (lenny) and it put gnome on here. i installed xfce4 with apt-get but when i restarted, it still uses gnome. how do iswitch it to xfce4? |
| 06:29.51 | streuner | dad: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:30.11 | dad | streuner: lol! |
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| 06:30.51 | wols_ | amazon10x: ls -l /etc/alternatives/window-manager IIRC. also your gdm should be able to change what to load |
| 06:31.03 | amazon10x | oh |
| 06:31.03 | amazon10x | ok |
| 06:31.14 | amazon10x | i guess i missed it when i loged in. thanks |
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| 06:38.36 | c_newbie | hello |
| 06:38.42 | kgoetz | should anything installed by default be able to read /dev/video0? totem reports no plugin |
| 06:38.45 | c_newbie | which one is faster r/w for raid? |
| 06:38.49 | c_newbie | is it raid 0 or raid 10 |
| 06:39.00 | kgoetz | 10 |
| 06:39.16 | c_newbie | why faster? |
| 06:39.18 | xingu | c_newbie: depends on your IO mix |
| 06:39.36 | c_newbie | xingu: pardon? |
| 06:39.58 | c_newbie | i just tired to tried creating raid 10, none of the googling result show me how |
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| 06:40.41 | enveezee_ | can someone point me to a ref or tell me how I setup the bridged interfaces in the configuration files? I just manually setup the bridge and setup the static entry for br0 in /etc/network/interfaces but I don't have anything telling it to bridge eth0 and eth1 on reboot.. |
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| 06:42.36 | xingu | c_newbie: if you're doing quite scattered io you'll pay some appreciable penalty waiting for the mirror to commit before starting the next (~likely) full stroke seek. |
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| 06:43.11 | xingu | c_newbie: the only way to answer questions of that ilk is "try all solutions under synthetic representative load" |
| 06:43.23 | enveezee_ | I've done a bridge before years ago but I forget how to tell it to bridge the interface in the config files. I figure if the box reboots right now it'll be offline |
| 06:43.43 | enveezee_ | actually screw it I think I remember which doc explains this |
| 06:44.13 | bullgard4 | What mechanism 'locks a kernel up'? As in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20/Documentation/sysrq.txt |
| 06:44.24 | xingu | enveezee_: usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
| 06:44.51 | enveezee_ | ah I was thinking it was in interfaces(5) |
| 06:45.03 | xingu | bullgard4: kernel bug |
| 06:45.06 | c_newbie | xingu: ive tried raid 10 before with hardware |
| 06:45.16 | c_newbie | no i onlu got 4 hardrive with no scsi raid card |
| 06:45.59 | bullgard4 | xingu: I do not think that a kernel bug is a mechanism. It may be a cause but it is not a mechanism. |
| 06:46.40 | xingu | bullgard4: the kernel should never lock up; if it has, it's a bug. |
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| 06:48.54 | xingu | bullgard4: about the only thing that can kill a running kernel that is not a bug in the strictest sense is running out of allocatable memory - if userspace is ignoring hints and the kernel can't resolve the resource conflict, the world will ultimately stop |
| 06:49.27 | xingu | bullgard4: however runaway memory consumption is usually caused by a bug... so... |
| 06:50.32 | xingu | c_newbie: it's been too many years since I touched linux sw raid; conceptually what you need to do is build two mirror-sets and then stripe them. |
| 06:51.01 | xingu | c_newbie: it should be fairly trivial; you're striping the mirrored metadevice not the underlying volume/partition. |
| 06:51.27 | bullgard4 | xingu: Thank you for commenting. |
| 06:51.29 | c_newbie | 2 mirror sets |
| 06:51.31 | c_newbie | hm |
| 06:51.32 | c_newbie | ok |
| 06:51.43 | c_newbie | ive tried before on 1st install ment |
| 06:51.44 | c_newbie | ive tried before on 1st install men |
| 06:51.50 | c_newbie | i got 2x raid 1 |
| 06:52.00 | c_newbie | but i cant strip them together |
| 06:52.35 | xingu | c_newbie: not sure what the installer lets you do; I'd say if you're trying to do this for / or /boot it'll be an uphill struggle. |
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| 06:53.53 | xingu | c_newbie: my suggestion is install / to a relatively small straight mirror on a discrete pair of spindles and /boot onto a usb key-stick; and save your raid jiggery pokery for your larger data volume. |
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| 07:01.45 | c_newbie | im still confsed tho |
| 07:01.51 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.15 | SF7 | but mount -t autofs /dev/host1/bus0/target0/lun0 /mount/fish fails |
| 07:02.17 | liable | is that a sarge kernel? |
| 07:02.40 | liable | try /lun0/p1 |
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| 07:04.28 | supervos | hi all |
| 07:04.34 | supervos | anyone here? |
| 07:04.47 | liable | nope, just a bunch of bots |
| 07:04.48 | quitte | morning. I'm looking for a vpn solution that allows me to bridge a remote network to a local network for tesing with qemu |
| 07:05.03 | supervos | im trying to install g++ on my debian sarge but i keep getting a dependancie error |
| 07:05.13 | supervos | dependency |
| 07:05.32 | SF7 | nice idea but no joy |
| 07:05.50 | supervos | ik just looks like it isnt in the package archive althougt its listed on packages.debian.org |
| 07:05.56 | cast | can a user have their own /etc/hosts file? |
| 07:06.01 | liable | SF7: does the mount fail? |
| 07:06.06 | SF7 | ya |
| 07:06.28 | quitte | cast: no |
| 07:06.34 | liable | try the other partitions |
| 07:06.49 | SF7 | oh wait errror is 'mount point /mnt/fishdrive does not exist' |
| 07:07.01 | liable | that would do it |
| 07:07.07 | cast | lol. |
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| 07:07.37 | liable | no |
| 07:07.42 | cast | SF7: so ls -l /mnt/fishdrive *does* work? |
| 07:07.42 | liable | check spelling |
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| 07:09.26 | xingu | quitte: separate out your layers; use openvpn to build the ipip crypted transport between the two endpoints; then use an etherip tunnel over the top to carry ether-encaps frames; finally use bridge-utils to bridge inside ether device and the etherip tunnel device. |
| 07:10.07 | xingu | quitte: and then shoot the person who asked for this abortion of a design. |
| 07:10.12 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:11.02 | liable | path |
| 07:11.28 | SF7 | then I try the mount command again, and it fails ' mount point blah does not exist'. now I do ls -l /mnt/fishdrive and it is gone again |
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| 07:13.17 | SF7 | path ... command not found |
| 07:13.48 | nvz | xingu: haha, I like the last step of that process, classy ;P |
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| 07:14.57 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.03 | xingu | cast: interesting question; you'd need either a uid-sensitive libnss_files, or, a tricky per-process namespace/bind mount on /etc. |
| 07:15.10 | Noborusan | 255.255.255.224 =2? |
| 07:15.38 | cast | just curious since /etc/hosts ends up serving as my personal set of shortcuts to common hosts |
| 07:15.45 | xingu | cast: it'd be interesting to knock up a patch for libnss_files; does it exist today? probably not. |
| 07:16.28 | nvz | SF7: there is no /mnt/fishdrive/go/mnt/fishdrive then |
| 07:17.03 | nvz | SF7: cause typing ls -l go/mnt/fishdrive from /mnt/fishdrive is like typing ls -l /mnt/fishdrive/go/mnt/fishdrive |
| 07:17.48 | SF7 | sorry it is this f*cking voice recognition shitware |
| 07:18.00 | SF7 | there should be no go |
| 07:18.09 | nvz | then type, lazy ass :P |
| 07:18.21 | xingu | cast: the other route in would be a patch for libresolv+ that used an env var for the path to /etc/hosts |
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| 07:19.26 | GarryFre | Voice regognition software is over-rated. |
| 07:19.45 | xingu | cast: if you can be patient, a better way to do what you're ultimately trying to do (separate per-user fs context from per-system fs context) is to look at one of the VTE based virtualisers; linux-on-kvm-on-linux |
| 07:19.55 | xingu | cast: ... with per-user /etc and common / mounts. |
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| 07:21.00 | cast | xingu: ahh too much work for me :), what be VTE? |
| 07:21.42 | cast | aww man. you're a bigger nerd than me |
| 07:22.13 | xingu | cast: ~complete cpu virtualisation extention; allows for multiple supervisor contexts under a single hypervisor kernel. |
| 07:22.16 | cast | but, i think the best solution to rsi is breaks... |
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| 07:23.07 | quitte | xingu ok. sounds like fun. and I was thinking bridging two networks together was the point of vpns :) |
| 07:23.39 | xingu | SF7: I saw an input device *just like that* in the 80's; uses chorded keys on a 5 maybe 7 key keypad shaped like a palm-sized jelly bean. |
| 07:24.10 | SF7 | xingu can you remember the name? |
| 07:24.14 | xingu | quitte: route where you can; bridge where you didn't have enough ammo left to kill the last "designer" |
| 07:24.20 | cast | SF7: if you offload, say, work to your thumbs, then you're just moving the problem to your thumbs [i did get rsi in my thumbs playing gran torismo :(], but it would be nice to shift between different interfaces. but just taking a break every few minutes is best! |
| 07:24.25 | xingu | SF7: I'll trawl and see what I can turn up |
| 07:24.32 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.37 | xingu | yes, it could be |
| 07:25.01 | quitte | xingu: well i want to test the pxe boot server among other things. i hope that dosn'T give me a reason not to shoot myself |
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| 07:25.21 | quitte | urgh dos give me a reason |
| 07:25.37 | xingu | quitte: on-link traffic should stay on-link. :) |
| 07:25.46 | SF7 | cast. No, you only get RSI when there is strain in the first place. my design works on the shape of the hand. so there is no strain. |
| 07:26.40 | gonzaloaf | hi, I am setting a ftp server using vsftpd, do the existing system users are the onley able to connect to the ftp server? how can I specify another users, that need to log in with a user and password? |
| 07:26.48 | xingu | SF7: yep I think that might be it |
| 07:26.49 | cast | are you talking 'strain' in an engineering sense? |
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| 07:30.22 | xingu | SF7: now if you could come up with a hack to take webcam output, work out where the user's focus was, and set the WM focus to the same window based on this, you'd be my hero |
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| 07:32.35 | SF7 | http://jpad.wikispaces.com/links 3rd of 4th link |
| 07:32.47 | xingu | SF7: fortunately I don't have any special needs (yet, probably well on my way to a dose of kangaroo paw) - but these ~modern widescreen 15.4" jobs, 1680x1050 - I always forget to change focus to the window I want to use next. |
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| 07:34.04 | xingu | not too much longer, everyone under 22 has been raised on predictive text input |
| 07:34.11 | xingu | hell, they don't even type in english any more |
| 07:34.18 | liable | oh rly? |
| 07:34.19 | SF7 | haha |
| 07:34.56 | xingu | it's true, you should see some of the shockers of cv's we got last time through |
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| 07:35.02 | xingu | dear ${deity} |
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| 07:35.38 | xingu | typed out by a demented bee high on mead |
| 07:36.02 | gonzaloaf | hi, will vsftpd run in a p1 with 32M of ram? |
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| 07:36.15 | cast | gonzaloaf: i think probably :> |
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| 07:37.35 | xingu | SF7: oddly enough I looked into dasher a while back; again I'm not really looking at special needs stuff, but where that community is pushing user interface design is always refreshingly cool; for instance dasher would work incredibly well in your average core network ops center. |
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| 07:38.43 | xingu | SF7: problem there is glass overload; too many blinkenlights to process; an upscale version of dasher let you create associations between events/alarms just by focussing would be neat; let the human on the console aggregate event clusters into tickets and dispatch. |
| 07:39.02 | K`zan | Errr, HELP :-), I built a new kernel (with directions for doing so with etch using a vanilla kernel (2.6.22.6)) and no matter what I do I can not get the boot process to see the SATA drives. Screen of the kernel panic is at: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/tmp/ - if someone could look at this and give me some idea or pointer it would be GREATLY appreciated! TMIA. |
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| 07:40.06 | xingu | K`zan: update-initramfs -ctk 2.6.22.6-whatever |
| 07:40.12 | K`zan | I do have the ULI SATA drivers built into the kernel. |
| 07:40.20 | xingu | K`zan: then dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22.6-whatever |
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| 07:40.43 | quitte | K`zan: do you have scsi disk support enabled? |
| 07:40.44 | K`zan | xingu: Not using a deb image. |
| 07:40.55 | K`zan | quitte: Ah, that may be it, lemme check. |
| 07:41.00 | xingu | K`zan: then you get to work out how to add an initramfs to it. |
| 07:41.17 | K`zan | same as initrd.img xingu ? |
| 07:41.31 | xingu | that sort of thing. |
| 07:41.33 | K`zan | That I figured out how to make. |
| 07:41.36 | K`zan | :-). |
| 07:41.40 | xingu | apparently not |
| 07:41.42 | K`zan | Thanks folks, checking now. |
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| 07:43.22 | K`zan | quitte: All the scsi stuff is set up as modules. I used the current .config and ran that through make oldconfig. NEVER had this much problems building a custom kernel :-(. |
| 07:43.47 | K`zan | Pass on the note, I am at max frustration with deb at this point :-). Please? |
| 07:44.08 | xingu | ... you're not pointing it at an initrd |
| 07:44.30 | xingu | nb, kernel-package really is the right thing to use on a debian system |
| 07:44.34 | K`zan | Followed directions at: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch_p2 |
| 07:44.39 | xingu | !kp mantra |
| 07:44.39 | dpkg | well, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)" make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 07:44.52 | K`zan | xingu: I just hate to waste all the education I used on every other distro, sigh... |
| 07:45.29 | quitte | K`zan: just build a static kernel that has everything built in for booting. sata driver scsi disk support and filesystem drivers |
| 07:45.30 | K`zan | Which will only (?) serve me with deb :-/. As I see it anyway... |
| 07:45.41 | xingu | you say "waste", I say "using the system's package manager for files installed into /lib prevents accidents" |
| 07:45.57 | K`zan | quitte: Ah, right, modules BAD :-), I think I understand. Working... |
| 07:46.13 | K`zan | Modules not available at boot. |
| 07:46.18 | xingu | yes, that's obviously the answer here, math is hard, lets go shopping. |
| 07:46.40 | quitte | K`zan: I personally prefer using modules but that's just after I spent lots of time understanding intramfss and initrds |
| 07:46.48 | K`zan | xingu: Dunno about that, but why deb has to be different I dunno. |
| 07:46.53 | hell-o-man | Hi. I tried to do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade consequently. But some packages could not be configured, error "getopt not found" occurs. I tried installing opt, libpopt0 and libshhopt but it didn't help. Here is script replay file http://sweb.cz/Helloman/script.out I would be glad for any advice. |
| 07:46.56 | c_newbie | HMM |
| 07:47.04 | gonzaloaf | hi. why does the anon_root directoy must be owned by root in vsftpd? |
| 07:47.10 | c_newbie | if im gonna create raid 10 with software raid |
| 07:47.11 | xingu | the owner of that wiki page should be taken out, beat up, and shot. |
| 07:47.15 | c_newbie | is it 1+0 or 0+1 |
| 07:47.21 | xingu | like, 3.1 - apt-get install ... kernel-package ... |
| 07:47.25 | K`zan | Modules are handy, no question about it, but I think this has to be related to SATA not being old enough to be handled properly - really do not know. |
| 07:47.27 | xingu | why install it if you're not going to use it? |
| 07:47.41 | xingu | 3.5 - make all ... install... |
| 07:47.44 | xingu | yeah good one. |
| 07:47.52 | quitte | hehe |
| 07:48.14 | xingu | K`zan: the answer is right in front of your nose; your kernel is not loading your initrd; why? |
| 07:48.46 | xingu | c_newbie: 1+0 |
| 07:48.57 | xingu | c_newbie: stripe of mirror |
| 07:49.26 | K`zan | xingu: possibly because I trusted "update grub" ? |
| 07:49.42 | K`zan | Lemme look at it to be sure... |
| 07:49.52 | Coweater | hell-o-man: getopt is in util-linux, /msg dpkg search |
| 07:50.26 | Coweater | dunno how you couldn't have util-linux though |
| 07:50.28 | xingu | K`zan: when you're done fumbling; see dpkg's hint for "kp mantra", and you want the --initrd variant. |
| 07:50.35 | K`zan | title Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.22.6 Default |
| 07:50.35 | K`zan | root (hd0,1) |
| 07:50.35 | K`zan | kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 07:50.35 | K`zan | savedefault |
| 07:50.35 | *** kick/#debian [K`zan!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 07:50.56 | xingu | K`zan: you probably also want to tell the author of that page to fix it because it's just wrong. |
| 07:51.53 | xingu | I mean dpkg's hint could use a little work too, there's zero need to build your kernel as root and several good reasons not to |
| 07:52.01 | xingu | but hey, it's close enough |
| 07:52.35 | hell-o-man | Coweater: Thanks. It helped. |
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| 07:53.04 | xingu | aah, it has fakeroot in there; twice, even. |
| 07:53.07 | xingu | that's me told |
| 07:55.05 | hell-o-man | Coweater: I'm not sure but I think I saw something when apt was yesterday telling me to confirm with 'Yes, do as I say!' But I thoght, that this package will be replaced and it obviously wasn't... thanks again |
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| 08:01.03 | SF7 | xingu -- I think Dasher would be very interesting coupled with a trackpoint |
| 08:01.45 | liable | trackpoints ftw |
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| 08:02.02 | xingu | SF7: yep; or even a trackpoint-like device, like say a 17" version of the iphone/ipod-touch screen. |
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| 08:03.29 | K`zan | Success! Problem was that "update grub" did not properly update grub, fixed that and there are a couple other problems, but for the most part we are up and working. Thanks ! |
| 08:03.39 | K`zan | update menu.lst... |
| 08:03.50 | xingu | hmm, commit 783366ad4b212cde069c50903494eb6a6b83958c looks important |
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| 08:03.52 | workaphobia | I'm attempting a net install and the curses installer seems to stall after downloading all the packages (~20%) |
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| 08:04.13 | xingu | " After this patch, rate halving is performed for ACK only if packets in flight was supposedly changed too." |
| 08:04.43 | doudo | in what channel could i find explanation about os and bootstrap programming |
| 08:04.51 | dutchfish | why are there no longer info notes available under notes in synaptics package manager? |
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| 08:05.00 | K`zan | Seems that the only thing it didn't pick up on the make oldconfig was the USB stuff :-). |
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| 08:05.22 | workaphobia | Any ideas what would cause it to stall, or what I would want to kill and restart if I want to try again without rebooting? |
| 08:06.16 | workaphobia | the last package it downloaded was the hibernate one I think |
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| 08:12.12 | supervos | hi al. does anyone now how to downgrade libc6 |
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| 08:12.26 | supervos | somehow ive got an etch version on my sarge install |
| 08:12.33 | supervos | and now i cant install g++ |
| 08:14.01 | liable | the better thing to do would be to upgrade to etch |
| 08:14.09 | liable | why are you still using sarge? |
| 08:14.18 | supervos | its a dedicated server |
| 08:14.32 | supervos | do i need to do a new install to upgrade? |
| 08:14.32 | liable | so? |
| 08:14.36 | liable | no |
| 08:14.44 | liable | !release notes |
| 08:14.44 | dpkg | i heard release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 08:14.50 | liable | see those ^^ |
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| 08:15.04 | xingu | !bobbitt |
| 08:15.04 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system or "debian based distro". |
| 08:15.54 | supervos | ok |
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| 08:17.48 | liable | supervos: if its a dedicated server, i suggest you read through it all before you start throwing commands around :) |
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| 08:25.49 | spheard | m, my server has gone down but it is still responding to ping. and Ideas wht could be going on? |
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| 08:26.17 | rapi | hi all |
| 08:26.20 | snoogie | hi |
| 08:26.45 | raz0 | spheard, That could be a billion different things. |
| 08:26.50 | rapi | i have some problem with iceweasel |
| 08:27.03 | rapi | i can't browse some website :( |
| 08:27.13 | rapi | do you have the same? |
| 08:27.40 | spheard | raz0: Could you suggest how I might whittle down whats going on? |
| 08:27.44 | supervos | liable: im now upgrading to echt |
| 08:28.05 | raz0 | spheard, Well, I accidently ran killall5 on a server once, and naturally everything went down. |
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| 08:28.28 | liable | supervos: good luck. |
| 08:29.21 | spheard | raz0: dont think I did that. I have a system that checks its running every half hour, only went down two hours ago, last time I connected was 15 hours ago |
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| 08:31.28 | snoogie | I read the debian packager doc, but this doc cover packaging of exisiting program, there is a doc to created a deb from our own program (I mean I won't need .orig.tbz since it's my own code) |
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| 08:31.34 | snoogie | ? |
| 08:32.00 | liable | hrm, bought a new mobo for my little home server, is there an alternative to buying a monitor and keyboard for checking bios settings when i boot it? |
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| 08:33.01 | supervos | liable: Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 08:33.08 | rapi | eweasel is apparently not a recognised web-browser for e-banking.... :( |
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| 08:33.21 | supervos | liable: i did a aptitude -y -s -f --with-recommends dist-upgrade |
| 08:33.39 | supervos | should this fully upgrade my installation? |
| 08:33.55 | liable | supervos: are you actually following the release notes? |
| 08:34.00 | rapi | #mozilla |
| 08:34.10 | basix | is there a version of debian which runs off a flash disk?? |
| 08:34.46 | liable | basix: you can install it to a usb key. see the install notes |
| 08:35.12 | basix | liable, ok |
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| 08:36.26 | supervos | liable: ues |
| 08:36.27 | supervos | yes |
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| 08:36.48 | supervos | cat /etc/debian_version says 4.0 now |
| 08:36.57 | liable | supervos: good, just step through the notes and be happy :) |
| 08:37.14 | liable | its the first reboot thats the sphincter tightening one |
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| 08:39.01 | xingu | spheard: icmp is handled within the kernel; so basically userspace has gone bye bye; the metrics you'd need to see what kind of a car crash you'd just had would be load, blocking processes, per-process and per-system memory footprint, and per-device IO activity (including errors) |
| 08:39.34 | xingu | spheard: you can collect most of the above via snmp with a little forethought; if you haven't, there's probably not much you can do /remotely/ to analyse the fault |
| 08:39.52 | xingu | spheard: if you have local access, some of the sysrq key combinations may dump enough context to show the fault. |
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| 08:40.26 | sxp | hello |
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| 08:40.31 | sxp | somebody here please |
| 08:40.48 | sxp | somebody speak spanish... |
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| 08:40.58 | jelly-home | !es |
| 08:40.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 08:41.23 | snoogie | !fr |
| 08:41.23 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:41.49 | microtux | hi |
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| 08:42.06 | snoogie | bye :) |
| 08:42.06 | sxp | hehe i will go to spanish... tinyirc and mulinux rulez! |
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| 08:42.13 | sxp | byeee |
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| 08:43.04 | liable | off you go then.. |
| 08:43.51 | microtux | i didn't find qt 2.2.2 when running apt-cache search. where can i find qt 2.2.2 ?? |
| 08:44.42 | microtux | i'm using sarge |
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| 08:46.01 | infinity0 | uh need some help setting up X windows, error is "no screens found" or something |
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| 08:48.40 | liable | infinity0: we are going to need the log to be of help |
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| 08:49.08 | infinity0 | liable, well i'm using a nvida geforce 8600t driver and the log doesn't seem to list that... do i need the driver? |
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| 08:49.20 | liable | infinity0: paste the log |
| 08:49.27 | infinity0 | which one, server log? |
| 08:49.39 | liable | xorg.0.log |
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| 08:49.58 | infinity0 | uh, which directory is that in? |
| 08:50.04 | nvz | /etc/ |
| 08:50.10 | nvz | er |
| 08:50.14 | nvz | /var/log/ |
| 08:50.16 | nvz | heh |
| 08:50.19 | infinity0 | kk ty |
| 08:50.22 | dutchfish | !nvidia |
| 08:50.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 08:50.25 | liable | i was about to say wtf |
| 08:50.53 | nvz | I was thinking of something else |
| 08:50.58 | infinity0 | ok it's about 6 screens long which part do you want? or should i try that link first? |
| 08:51.25 | liable | whatever floats your boat |
| 08:51.48 | nvz | whatever pulls your bandwagon |
| 08:52.24 | nvz | floats your boat is too cliche for me |
| 08:52.52 | supervos | liable: booting now |
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| 08:53.26 | nvz | every so often I gonna make up new sayings cause I get sick of saying the same things |
| 08:53.30 | xingu | nvz: it's also a bit demented, you'd be hard pressed to find a boat floating on anything other than water |
| 08:53.45 | nvz | xingu: yeah I was just thinking about that |
| 08:53.51 | nvz | xingu: glad its not just me |
| 08:53.54 | xingu | nvz: so you're basically saying "whatever convention dictates is the normal thing to do" |
| 08:54.09 | xingu | nvz: which in context is almost a dipole of the homily's intent. |
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| 08:54.16 | arun | hi |
| 08:54.18 | liable | wow, way to overanylise a saying fella's |
| 08:54.24 | nvz | hah |
| 08:54.38 | nvz | I think the award goes to xingu on this one.. |
| 08:54.43 | infinity0 | ok i just saw the word "microsoft" on my screen :/ |
| 08:54.47 | arun | i want to configure the local mail configuration |
| 08:54.49 | nvz | I wish I had thought it through that much |
| 08:55.17 | nvz | I haven't heard words like homily and dipole in so long I forgot I even knew em |
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| 08:55.58 | nvz | I figured instead of going back to highschool though, I could just date an english teacher.. heh |
| 08:56.09 | arun | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:56.21 | nvz | incidentally I met one on myspace not too long ago.. |
| 08:57.02 | xingu | I like english, there's a perfectly weighted word for everything. |
| 08:57.02 | infinity0 | bah "installation of the nvidia-kernel-source" source failed, ignoring this package |
| 08:57.02 | nvz | well.. she's not an english teacher yet.. but she's a student teacher |
| 08:57.02 | xingu | it's such a mongerel, when there's no native word, we nick one. |
| 08:57.03 | dutchfish | infinity0, you prolly want to install build-essential? |
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| 08:57.09 | nvz | xingu: yep, we're good at that |
| 08:57.38 | infinity0 | dutchfish: ugh this is my first time installing gnu/linux, can you gimme a run-trhgouh of what that means? |
| 08:57.58 | nvz | xingu: kind of bothers me though the way words can have so many different and even at times conflicting meaning |
| 08:58.14 | nvz | xingu: makes it a lot more work to make sense sometimes it seems in the english language |
| 08:58.34 | xingu | yep; context is king. |
| 08:58.59 | xingu | I pity the fool that has to learn it as a second language though, because even as a native speaker your schooling is never done |
| 08:59.39 | arun | i want to configure local mail, can any one help me |
| 09:00.10 | nvz | yeah, exactly. When I first got introduced to langauges in school I never understood the importance of studying culture as well.. then after a few years I realized why its one and the same |
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| 09:00.18 | spheard | If a box is responding to ping but none of the other services are working, does that sound like hd faliure |
| 09:00.21 | spheard | ? |
| 09:00.33 | xingu | spheard: it can be; but it can also be out-of-memory. |
| 09:00.37 | nvz | spheard: sounds like none of the services are working |
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| 09:00.45 | nvz | could be any number of reasons |
| 09:00.47 | xingu | spheard: or anything else, really. |
| 09:00.52 | spheard | bugger |
| 09:01.03 | xingu | spheard: to isolate what's going on you need to collate metrics up to the point of impact |
| 09:01.09 | spheard | It was working fine yesterday |
| 09:01.12 | infinity0 | dutchfish: $ apt-get install build-essential, is that ok? |
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| 09:01.20 | spheard | dies about 3 hours ago |
| 09:01.22 | xingu | spheard: or, access the physical console and use sysrq to debug it at the point of impact |
| 09:01.24 | spheard | while I was sleeping |
| 09:01.30 | infinity0 | dutchfish: oh nvmd it was already the newest version |
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| 09:01.43 | spheard | tring to get onto the lom |
| 09:01.49 | liable | supervos: all happy? |
| 09:02.03 | nvz | xingu: ugh, where the hell did you come from? I wish I had friends with a vocabulary. |
| 09:02.48 | nvz | My friends look at me like I am nuts when I try talking like that.. which is why I've gotten used to talking like a yinzer :P |
| 09:02.53 | xingu | nvz: oz; I didn't have a tv growing up, maybe that's got something to do with it; or maybe it's because I'm the littlest of a 4-kid household. |
| 09:02.54 | infinity0 | how do you search for a file in debian? |
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| 09:04.10 | nvz | xingu: yeah, tv is evil. I can't stand it. I wonder though when I think about the idea of not letting my children watch tv (should I ever have any), would it be socially depriving them. I mean the kids they meet are gonna be talking about the crap they watch on tv and they'd be oblivious |
| 09:04.26 | xingu | nvz: I'm somewhat infamous at work for handing people email that's so linguistically dense that it's only *after* what I described actually happens that the recipient gets my point. :) |
| 09:04.37 | nvz | heh |
| 09:04.49 | xingu | nvz: the for-tv vocab wouldn't be more than say 2-3k words I figure; english is deeper than that |
| 09:05.05 | spheard | I have just checked the bandwidth monitor, there was not enough traffic to cause it to overload |
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| 09:05.36 | nvz | tv bothers me for so many reasons.. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist but its really a form of mind control or brain sucking |
| 09:05.51 | liable | spheard: wouldnt be surprised if your logs have overflowed and killed it. common problem |
| 09:05.58 | xingu | it's largely a sales tool these days |
| 09:06.02 | spheard | liable: ah |
| 09:06.12 | xingu | monkey see, monkey do; one of the most basic forces on the planet |
| 09:06.21 | spheard | I havent had a tv in 3 years |
| 09:07.03 | spheard | I hate it they put them in pubs |
| 09:07.07 | Lukemob | Hi, is there any way how to reinstall the system without the CD? |
| 09:07.26 | xingu | I get in as much boob toob time as the average joe, but I do watch critically; product placement and memetic engineering stick out like sore thumbs to me |
| 09:07.31 | nvz | xingu: yeah, but its so much more. I mean you sit down to watch tv with nothing in mind, and you are flipping through the channels looking for "something good" on. As you say thus being exposed to advertisment.. not just for products but for other shows better than what you are watching, so you are then penciling into your schedule times you will waste watching tv instead of doing more productive things.. its just an endless cycle |
| 09:07.46 | xingu | it's hard to watch more than about 2-3h worth in one sitting, you feel like you're being yelled at; or I do, leastways |
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| 09:08.26 | xingu | nvz: it's when you start pencilling in your idea about how happy/successful monkeys look/appear/act that you're in trouble |
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| 09:09.04 | mmh1 | hi all, i removed the /etc/dhcp.conf and i reinstalled dhcp but the file still missing, how i can restore it ? |
| 09:09.08 | nvz | xingu: I can't stand to watch it at all unless I am hitting onDemand :P I choose when I have time to waste and what I am exposed to. Most often I watch it when I am eating alone just cause I can't do anything else to occupy my mind while I am stuffing my face.. heh |
| 09:09.21 | liable | Lukemob: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 09:09.34 | liable | !tell mmh1 -about confmiss |
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| 09:10.53 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.55 | nvz | I am one of those people who can't sit still or just do nothing.. I always gotta be deep in thought or doing something with my hands. TV doesn't do it for me.. barely makes me think at all and doesnt require any physical interaction |
| 09:11.14 | Lukemob | liable, thanks a lot mate |
| 09:11.20 | nvz | CharminTheMoose: whichever gets the job done in your price range |
| 09:11.49 | liable | Lukemob: yw |
| 09:12.10 | utrrrongeeb | XScreenSaver frequently comes on when I'm playing a game with my joystick. I'd like to rig XScreensaver to check for joystick events. |
| 09:12.15 | mmh1 | liable: thanx alot :) |
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| 09:12.34 | nvz | I've always done AMD mostly but for no particular reason.. just did what I needed it to do at a reasonable price |
| 09:12.37 | liable | mmh1: yw |
| 09:12.45 | spheard | how would I recover from a log overflow. I take it I would need access to the machine |
| 09:12.50 | Lukemob | E: Command line option --get-selections is not understood |
| 09:12.51 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: if this is a survey, I'm more impressed with the current intel crop than the now-dated AMD crop |
| 09:12.52 | liable | yes |
| 09:13.01 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: in microelectrics, newness is good |
| 09:13.09 | Lukemob | liable: it says " E: Command line option --get-selections is not understood " |
| 09:13.23 | liable | Lukemob: paste the command from the factoid |
| 09:13.29 | nvz | !sns syndrome |
| 09:13.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 09:13.50 | nvz | heh, thats my factoid for your newness |
| 09:13.58 | utrrrongeeb | So how can I make XScreenSaver check for joystick events? |
| 09:13.59 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
| 09:14.03 | liable | new hardware is good |
| 09:14.10 | nvz | yeah thats true |
| 09:14.11 | Lukemob | liable, could u give me link pls? |
| 09:14.15 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 09:14.29 | liable | Lukemob: to what? |
| 09:14.30 | xingu | CharminTheMoose: the correct answer would be 'design in diversity' - absorb the cost required to design for either vendor's then-current offering and make it back on bang for buck at the point of delivery |
| 09:14.40 | nvz | when I wrote that factoid I put Shiny New Software, someone else made it (Software|Shite) and it randomly selects one or the other |
| 09:14.50 | Lukemob | liable, to factoid... or I don't know what the factoid is :S |
| 09:15.13 | liable | Lukemob: the reinstall one you asked dpkg about |
| 09:15.25 | Lukemob | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 09:15.29 | Lukemob | here |
| 09:15.52 | liable | Lukemob: actually, after reading it (havent seen it for some time) its probably not what you want |
| 09:15.55 | utrrrongeeb | Can making XScreenSaver check for joystick events even be done? |
| 09:16.00 | nvz | sometimes you can just say I'm getting more bang for my buck though if you really don't need that much bang, and you are paying more bucks |
| 09:16.14 | nvz | s/can/can't/ |
| 09:16.17 | liable | Lukemob: why exactly do you need to reinstall? |
| 09:16.50 | Lukemob | liable, there're too many things, wanna format etc, just wanna new system |
| 09:17.15 | nvz | its like that skit Chris Rock did on guns, why buy a big ass gun with 16 bullets if you only wanna kill one muthaf-.. |
| 09:17.24 | nvz | what you want is a knife |
| 09:17.25 | liable | Lukemob: ok, debootstrap may be a good option for you |
| 09:17.26 | utrrrongeeb | Guess no-one knows about joysticks and xscreensaver... |
| 09:17.29 | infinity0 | is it possible to access devices which aren't mounted? |
| 09:17.49 | liable | Lukemob: you can make a little partiton and make a new install, then wipe the old stuff and make it bigger |
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| 09:18.07 | utrrrongeeb | What keycode is ignored by all programs but gets picked up in /proc/interrupts? |
| 09:18.11 | Lukemob | liable, ok, thx mate |
| 09:18.35 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: the idiot button :P |
| 09:19.01 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: you're probably looking for a sysrq whatever it is you are doing |
| 09:19.27 | liable | Lukemob: actually, even better would be to use an install kernel |
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| 09:19.48 | utrrrongeeb | nvz: I'm frustrated that XScreenSaver chooses to activate whenever I'm playing a game with a joystick, because joystick events are ignored by XScreenSaver. |
| 09:20.09 | liable | Lukemob: if you want to format the old installation, just get the kernel and initrd for the hd-media installer and add it to your current grub menu |
| 09:20.11 | dimir | Moin! |
| 09:20.19 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: so disable the XScreenSaver when you start the game.. script it if you need to |
| 09:20.25 | liable | Lukemob: then you can boot into that kernel and reinstall from that |
| 09:20.47 | utrrrongeeb | nvz: What's the quick command to disable it? $ killall xscreensaver? |
| 09:20.56 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: its the same deal when watching a movie or something |
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| 09:20.59 | Lukemob | liable, yes, thanks... it's nice, but I don't even know, what the grub or kernel is :) |
| 09:21.00 | Lukemob | :) |
| 09:21.09 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: thats one way to do it |
| 09:21.18 | liable | Lukemob: oh.. |
| 09:21.25 | utrrrongeeb | nvz: What are others? |
| 09:21.29 | Lukemob | sorry :( |
| 09:21.39 | liable | Lukemob: read the install guide and see the section about hd-media |
| 09:21.42 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: look at the manpage for xscreensaver-command maybe.. idk cause I don't even have it installed |
| 09:21.58 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: I hate screensavers they are stupid obsolete technology |
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| 09:22.05 | Lukemob | liable, ok, i will... thanks anyway ;-) |
| 09:22.07 | liable | Lukemob: no need to be sorry, good time to learn i guess. :) |
| 09:22.24 | utrrrongeeb | nvz: Thanks, What I'd like to do is rig the joystick to generate key events that have no function but which xscreensaver will notice. |
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| 09:23.01 | spheard | has anyone used sun's LOM? |
| 09:23.09 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: screensavers are for like Ms Pac Man Arcade machines that are always displaying level 1 a lot on the same CRT.. heh.. now adays on PCs you're not having the same thing on long enough to burn in, and the screens don't even have those issues anymore anyhow.. most people are using LCD/Plasma |
| 09:23.12 | cast | nope, what is lom? |
| 09:23.21 | spheard | Lights Out manager |
| 09:23.25 | spheard | seril console |
| 09:23.31 | spheard | serial |
| 09:23.40 | liable | ah, HP server thingo |
| 09:23.48 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: I see your point, but you should see mine that there are other times the screensaver is annoying than just using joystick, and its mostly useless to even have a screensaver |
| 09:23.51 | spheard | nah, sun |
| 09:24.04 | liable | spheard: then read the docs for it :P |
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| 09:24.50 | utrrrongeeb | nvz: But is there a null key that wouldn't do anything but would update /proc/interrupts, which xscreensaver monitors? |
| 09:25.13 | xingu | spheard: daily |
| 09:25.20 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: sysrq is what comes to mind. |
| 09:25.49 | spheard | xingu: wha? |
| 09:25.57 | utrrrongeeb | So the sysrq keycode won't do anything unless the user is pressing Alt and a letter? |
| 09:26.00 | nvz | alone it does virtually nothing in any situation |
| 09:26.09 | xingu | spheard: "has anyone used sun's LOM" - yes, daily. |
| 09:26.19 | infinity0 | ok.. i'm downloading nvidia-graphics-drivers atm because my debian installation doesn't have a net connection (yet)... where shall i put it to install it? |
| 09:26.30 | utrrrongeeb | nvz: Well, I probably wouldn't press Alt-letter while using the joystick... |
| 09:26.42 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: in some causes it will copy the screen to the clipboard but I don't know if anything in linux supports this |
| 09:26.56 | utrrrongeeb | nvz, Okay, thanks! I'll see what I can rig... |
| 09:27.03 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: I know in windows you can hit printscrn then paste into paintbrush and it will paste the screenshot |
| 09:27.20 | xingu | utrrrongeeb: just out of interest - "monitors /proc/interrupts" - looking for what? |
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| 09:28.14 | nvz | I think the xscreensaver should have a better mechnism of knowing if the system is in use.. and apps like movie players and games should notify it to bug off |
| 09:28.23 | pocukrani | if i revome kde and install it back i lost programs like wine ? |
| 09:28.29 | utrrrongeeb | xingu: XScreenSaver can monitor /proc/interrupts for changes as a way of detecting user activity. I'm trying to rig a joystick to generate null keyboard events that will fool xscreensaver. (Of course, does /proc/interrupts respond to software keys?). |
| 09:28.38 | nvz | its really annoying watching a movie or something and having a screensaver come on.. |
| 09:29.04 | utrrrongeeb | nvz: All it would have to do is see who was hogging fullscreen, whether the joystick was in use, etc.. |
| 09:29.09 | xingu | utrrrongeeb: seems like a roundabout way of disabling xscreensaver depending on whether or not a given *process* is running |
| 09:29.34 | nvz | xingu: yeah thats was what I was getting at :P |
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| 09:29.37 | xingu | utrrrongeeb: why not just explicitly configure it off, run the command, and then back on? |
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| 09:29.49 | utrrrongeeb | xingu: How's that done? |
| 09:29.50 | nvz | and also that unless your pc is like 15+ years old you probably have no need anyhow |
| 09:30.06 | spheard | xingu: I needed to power cycle |
| 09:30.18 | robin_sz | morning girls .. is there some specific reason I can't seem to find MySQL connector/odbc for etch? |
| 09:30.19 | nvz | even modern pcs that DO have crts have little to worry about burn-in issues |
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| 09:30.29 | spheard | I was getting a {0} ok promt |
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| 09:30.55 | nvz | robin_sz: hah.. good luck finding a girl, who will answer that question :P |
| 09:31.03 | ma3x | this may sound stupid, but why do I hear the woking of the cpu on my external speakers? |
| 09:31.09 | nvz | not cause girls wouldn't know the answer.. just cause there probably aren't any here |
| 09:31.10 | xingu | spheard: if "boot" wasn't, that means your boot disk (as specified by boot-device) was asleep. |
| 09:31.23 | utrrrongeeb | xingu: You mean through xscreensaver-demo? |
| 09:31.27 | robin_sz | nvz: well, whatever |
| 09:31.40 | robin_sz | nvz: so he answer is? |
| 09:31.42 | xingu | utrrrongeeb: there's probably an xscreensaver-command? I don't know, I don't have it installed locally |
| 09:32.01 | joeyjones | nvz: i think he was calling us all girls... |
| 09:32.03 | dutchfish | robin_sz, what about sqlrelay-odbc & sqlrelay-doc? |
| 09:32.16 | robin_sz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.16 | nvz | joeyjones: yeah I figured that as well |
| 09:32.20 | utrrrongeeb | xingu: Thanks, I'll look it up... |
| 09:32.33 | nvz | joeyjones: if I was a girl I'd be masturbating or something right now and not be talking to you people :P |
| 09:32.44 | robin_sz | joeyjones: well done. humour seems to be lost on some people :) |
| 09:32.46 | dutchfish | robin_sz, and of course libmyodbc |
| 09:32.55 | cast | nvz: "if you were a girl i'd be too" |
| 09:32.56 | spheard | xingu: asleep? |
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| 09:33.05 | nvz | cast: heh |
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| 09:33.13 | joeyjones | lol cast |
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| 09:33.29 | spheard | xingu: nothing was working apart from ping, It was all very depressing. Could the hard disk be onthe way out? |
| 09:33.36 | solar_sea | Hello, I' using eth i386, can I install software from oldstable ? |
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| 09:33.39 | robin_sz | dutchfish: ah, libmyodbc is the debian name for what MySQL call connector/odbc? |
| 09:33.40 | nvz | cast: well hormone therapy seems to cause cancer among other complications of a sex change.. really doesn't seem worth the trouble |
| 09:33.52 | solar_sea | i need the xlock utility that doesn't seem to be present at etch |
| 09:34.05 | liable | can a man that has a sex change even orgasm anyway? |
| 09:34.11 | dutchfish | robin_sz, apt-cache show libmyodbc |
| 09:34.21 | robin_sz | yeah, got it |
| 09:34.30 | robin_sz | cheers dude |
| 09:34.34 | nvz | liable: yeah I can't help but wonder if it would all work |
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| 09:34.35 | spheard | liable, Im sur things are still sensitive |
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| 09:34.51 | robin_sz | liable; unlikely |
| 09:34.55 | spheard | I mean, they fashion the bits from the penis |
| 09:34.57 | liable | spheard: but blokes cant without balls afaik |
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| 09:35.13 | robin_sz | liable: that bits true |
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| 09:35.31 | xingu | spheard: as in, not responding to openprom's attempt to read from it. |
| 09:35.37 | cast | the takes-5-seconds-for-ghost-cmd-to-work annoys me |
| 09:35.39 | spheard | uhm, maybe they have a feminine orgasm |
| 09:35.45 | nvz | believe me if I thought it was worthwhile I probably would have tried it already :P |
| 09:35.46 | robin_sz | nope |
| 09:35.47 | xingu | spheard: has it come back after the poweroff/poweron? |
| 09:35.59 | spheard | xingu: yeah it works fine |
| 09:36.03 | utrrrongeeb | nvz: Back to screensavers, what about their use in locking the screen? As I have extra sudo privileges, that's somewhat useful. |
| 09:36.09 | nvz | I think I could get away with a lot more as a woman :P |
| 09:36.12 | spheard | xingu: can you shed any light? |
| 09:36.36 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: you can lock the screen without having a screensaver on a timer |
| 09:36.41 | dutchfish | robin_sz, if you considering making dbconnections through odbc, its not neccesary, client side this is already solved |
| 09:36.56 | solar_sea | how can you lock the screen with a command without xlock ? |
| 09:37.10 | xingu | spheard: I'd take a good guess that with that symptom set yes there's *some* sort of issue with the disk; give it a once over with smartctl and see if it's reporting any errors |
| 09:37.15 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: and the screensaver isnt a very effective security mechanism really anyhow as it could just be killed |
| 09:37.27 | robin_sz | dutchfish: no, it needs odbc |
| 09:37.35 | dutchfish | robin_sz, ok |
| 09:37.37 | xingu | spheard: it could be thermal (failed fan, overtemp); do you have all the sun environmental monitoring stuff installed? |
| 09:37.59 | nvz | solar_sea: most any decent display manager will let you "switch user" which is effectively locking your screen |
| 09:38.10 | spheard | nope, is there a debian package? |
| 09:38.10 | robin_sz | dutchfish: trying to hook an already devleoped MS Access front end onto a MySQL backend to get away from sql server |
| 09:38.13 | xingu | spheard: (sun systems with LOM mostly have quite complete env monitoring) |
| 09:38.20 | dutchfish | robin_sz, thats what i meant |
| 09:38.22 | solar_sea | okey, but the case is that I'm using an app that's written to use xlock ot prevent / allow access |
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| 09:38.34 | robin_sz | dutchfish; explain? |
| 09:38.38 | solar_sea | and now after upgrading to etch, xlock s unavaiable |
| 09:38.38 | dutchfish | robin_sz, just install mysql odbc on the client, thats it |
| 09:38.46 | xingu | spheard: no clue; what model is it? |
| 09:39.04 | robin_sz | dutchfish: oh, hmmm |
| 09:39.07 | spheard | v20 |
| 09:39.09 | dutchfish | robin_sz, this is sooooo muuuuch fatsre |
| 09:39.10 | spheard | v220 |
| 09:39.11 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: you can just tell your session i.e. gnome to switch user and it will leave your stuff running and go back to the login screen |
| 09:39.16 | dutchfish | robin_sz, faster |
| 09:39.30 | robin_sz | dutchfish: so that does a locla odbc source on the client machie... and chats mysql ve the net? |
| 09:39.39 | nvz | utrrrongeeb: or just use xscreensaver-command -lock without having it running on a annoying screensaver timer |
| 09:40.09 | dutchfish | robin_sz, thats 1 possibility, a better one would be a secure tunnel to your remote mysql server |
| 09:40.29 | robin_sz | its local, so no worry |
| 09:40.32 | xingu | spheard: which? they're rather different ;) |
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| 09:41.00 | dutchfish | robin_sz, well in that case a mysql odbc client would serve your needs best |
| 09:41.12 | dutchfish | robin_sz, on the client |
| 09:41.24 | spheard | v220 :-) |
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| 09:41.40 | KDan | Even though I set the dns-nameserves option in /etc/network/interfaces to a value that works (works if I do "nslookup www.google.com - <serverIP>"), my server seems unable to resolve dns queries. What should I do to tell my server once and for all what the DNS server is? |
| 09:41.46 | dutchfish | robin_sz, think about query caching etc etc, thats why |
| 09:42.01 | spheard | xingu, can you remind mehow to navigate round the lom |
| 09:42.20 | spheard | whats the key combo to get to command mode |
| 09:42.30 | spheard | as opposed to console mode |
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| 09:43.04 | gumby11 | my laptop hangs when I try to go into multi user mode |
| 09:43.12 | spheard | Im sure lom has environmental controlls |
| 09:43.42 | gumby11 | i think it has something to do with apci or ipv6... |
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| 09:44.20 | xingu | spheard: probably #. |
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| 09:44.41 | xingu | spheard: if not, ~. (warning, ~. is also the ssh end-session sequence) |
| 09:45.08 | shiversc | please help me: http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=9290332 |
| 09:45.12 | nvz | if I have a transparent bridge I setup using something like this "ifdown eth0; brctl addif br0 eth0; brctl addif br0 eth1; ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0; ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0; ifconfig br0 192.168.1.254 netmask 255.255.255.0" and then put auto br0 and statically set that up in /etc/network/interfaces with bridge_ports eth0 eth1, do I still need entries in there for eth0 and eth1 or will that bring them up automatically as 0.0.0.0 and bridge them lik |
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| 09:46.12 | liable | nope |
| 09:46.12 | spheard | xingu: environmentals are fine |
| 09:46.16 | spheard | hmm |
| 09:46.26 | spheard | maybe more investogation on monday |
| 09:46.30 | xingu | spheard: *now* they are; but at the point of failure? |
| 09:46.34 | gumby11 | is disabling ipv6 going to hurt me? |
| 09:46.38 | spheard | good point |
| 09:46.53 | xingu | spheard: not sure anyone's written linux support for the v220; google's drawing a blank. |
| 09:46.54 | dutchfish | nvz, to my knowledge brctl will do that job automagically |
| 09:47.10 | abeld_ | Hi! how can I install sun java 6 with apt-get on etch? |
| 09:48.00 | gumby11 | abeld: add non-free to your sources list |
| 09:48.16 | nvz | dutchfish: ah well I didn't know if I still needed entries for eth0 and eth1 in my network interfaces file or not. I got it all working manually I just want to make sure the config is right so the bridge doesnt collapse if the machine gets rebooted :P |
| 09:48.42 | spheard | right, Im going to go run up some welsh hills. thanks for your help xingu. |
| 09:49.14 | dutchfish | nvz, i did the same thing in a xen configuration, its working more then 2 years now with a few reboots |
| 09:49.35 | abli | gumby11, I have. are you sure version 6 is also in non-free? I could only install sun-java-5 that way |
| 09:50.07 | nvz | dutchfish: ok. I have only done bridging once before and it was ages ago |
| 09:50.22 | xingu | spheard: np |
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| 09:50.28 | gumby11 | abeld: oh well, why do you need 6 anyways? |
| 09:50.33 | dutchfish | nvz, its a fire and forget thingy ;) |
| 09:51.15 | infinity0 | is it possible to make sources.list point to a local address? |
| 09:51.31 | abli | gumby11, because openoffice jars are compiled with version 6 and if I want to use them, I have to compile my code with versioin 6. |
| 09:52.13 | nvz | dutchfish: yeah well with my brain most everything is.. heh.. I don't remember things that I can research.. I just didn't find the clarity I was looking for in Appendix D of Securing Debian manual or bridge-utils README |
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| 09:52.26 | abli | oh. It might be a wrong setting in my ant file. Let me check |
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| 09:53.39 | dutchfish | nvz, but be sure your brctl statements are correct |
| 09:53.40 | gumby11 | abeld: anyone have a good guide laptop + debian :)? |
| 09:53.57 | nvz | dutchfish: don't know what you are talking about.. I have no brctl statements |
| 09:54.03 | Arnald | I have sun's jdk 6 installed, but can't find java db (derby) - is it included? |
| 09:54.25 | Arnald | looked on i386 and x86-64 machines . . . |
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| 09:54.41 | dutchfish | nvz, in interfaces you need under postup under phys device your brctl commands |
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| 09:55.08 | nvz | dutchfish: "auto br0 \n iface br0 inet static \n address 192.168.1.254 ..etc \n bridge_ports eth0 eth1 |
| 09:55.09 | abli | gumby11, dunno, I used ubuntu for my laptop :) |
| 09:55.26 | dutchfish | nvz, or that, yes |
| 09:55.28 | nvz | dutchfish: thats all I got in there as thats all the README showed |
| 09:55.41 | dutchfish | nvz, etch? |
| 09:55.45 | abli | Arnald, did you install jdk 6 with apt? i.e. from debian package? |
| 09:55.49 | gumby11 | abeld: yeah i think i have to just disable ipv6 tunnling |
| 09:55.50 | nvz | dutchfish: yeah |
| 09:55.53 | Arnald | abli: yes |
| 09:56.03 | dutchfish | nvz, sarges interfaces is dif |
| 09:56.06 | Arnald | I can't find the embedded driver class |
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| 09:56.18 | abli | Arnald, from where? official debian repositorys? |
| 09:56.29 | Arnald | according to Sun it should be in a db subdir under jdk |
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| 09:56.39 | gumby11 | automatix works for deb i386, just seying |
| 09:57.03 | Arnald | abli: I assume from non-free . . . . |
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| 09:57.14 | nvz | dutchfish: no idea.. like I said I don't remember. All i know is when I did all the brctl/ifconfig crap on the commandline I got the bridge working.. so.. just want to make sure I got configs that will get it working again in case something goes wrong and the system restarts |
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| 09:57.47 | nvz | its on a battery backup so that shouldnt happen.. but you never know |
| 09:58.04 | gumby11 | k upgrading to lenny now, hope i don't mess this up :-) |
| 09:58.14 | abli | Arnald, I dont think so. It is not in the official non-free repository |
| 09:58.22 | nvz | which reminds me.. I got the USB cable from that battery backup running to the server but never bothered setting up kernel drivers and a daemon to monitor it |
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| 09:59.07 | Arnald | abli: Package: sun-java6-jdk - Section: non-free/devel |
| 09:59.20 | nvz | I am fairly certain debian has all the stuff to monitor an APC Battery Backup unit |
| 10:00.00 | xingu | nvz: probably apcupsd/ gapcmon ? |
| 10:00.08 | dutchfish | nvz, maybe this helps (scripts) http://openvpn.net/bridge.html |
| 10:00.19 | abli | Ah! etch-backports repositories! Thanks |
| 10:01.05 | xored | somebody has some tips for truecrypt, to optimize its CPU use on a PIII 450 |
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| 10:01.32 | dutchfish | !apcupsd |
| 10:01.48 | Arnald | any java users here? |
| 10:02.10 | Arnald | is java db included in debian packages? |
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| 10:02.42 | dutchfish | Arnald, wich db? |
| 10:03.07 | Arnald | dutchfish: java db == apache derby |
| 10:03.17 | nvz | xingu: yeah I found those already.. though I'm not seeing a kernel driver at first glance |
| 10:03.29 | Arnald | it should be bundled with the JDK, according to Sun |
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| 10:03.55 | Arnald | org.apache.commons.dbcp.SQLNestedException: Cannot load JDBC driver class 'org.apache.derby.jdbc.EmbeddedDriver' |
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| 10:04.17 | Arnald | so it looks like there is no db package in the JDK |
| 10:04.44 | Arnald | but I can't find any reference to debian db status on google |
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| 10:05.55 | Arnald | so presumably the packager must have removed it? |
| 10:07.15 | dutchfish | Arnald, i dont know |
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| 10:07.31 | Arnald | dutchfish: ok cool - nor do I ;) |
| 10:08.18 | feklee | I cannot get XDMCP with xdm to work, not even when trying to connect from localhost. I set up Xaccess and xdm-config, but to no avail. Any idea what I could try next? |
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| 10:08.55 | tamiya | hey guys |
| 10:09.03 | [newbie] | hello, i have activated dual head with fglrx and its working nice. but the secondary display doesn't has any font anti-aliasing. can anybody help me? |
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| 10:09.16 | tamiya | I managed to get my wifi card working... its up and running but not satisfactorily |
| 10:09.54 | tamiya | whenever i reboot (my system boots to a text login screen), the console is flooded with the wifi software doing a radio scan |
| 10:10.15 | tamiya | acx_i_timer: adev->status=1 (SCANNING) |
| 10:10.15 | tamiya | acx_set_status(1):SCANNING |
| 10:10.23 | dutchfish | Arnald, take a look at libhsqldb-java & http://db.apache.org/derby/papers/DerbyTut/embedded_intro.html |
| 10:10.39 | tamiya | and it keeps doing that forever |
| 10:10.55 | tamiya | whilst it does that i just punch in my username and password |
| 10:11.02 | tamiya | and then run startx |
| 10:11.24 | tamiya | followed by 'ifdown eth0' and 'ifup wlan0' |
| 10:11.28 | Arnald | dutchfish: I already have hsqldb and postgresql working with my app -I am already following docs on java db, but can't find the driver |
| 10:11.30 | tamiya | then i can use the wifi |
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| 10:12.06 | Arnald | that is always the problem with java - knowing which ****ing jar file contains the class you want |
| 10:13.02 | Arnald | dutchfish: OK I think I know the answer . . . . |
| 10:13.30 | Arnald | I've found it in the official Sun package |
| 10:13.43 | Arnald | but it's been removed from the Debian one . . . :( |
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| 10:15.10 | Arnald | no word of explanation, or debian readme - GRRR!!!! |
| 10:15.39 | xingu | it's probably encumbered |
| 10:16.03 | xingu | "I can't believe it's not freeware" |
| 10:16.06 | abli | xingu, being an Apache project, it might not |
| 10:16.58 | abli | which, to me, hints that there is a technical reason for it, which suggests installing it will be quite painful |
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| 10:17.38 | stefan__ | hi |
| 10:17.44 | stefan__ | I have problems with the sound on KDE |
| 10:17.45 | feklee | Weird, a reboot fixed my problem (but I had started xdm several times - that's really weird). |
| 10:17.49 | stefan__ | I have tried alsaconf |
| 10:17.55 | stefan__ | aumix,kmix,alsamixer |
| 10:17.57 | stefan__ | nothing worked |
| 10:18.01 | stefan__ | what do I do ? |
| 10:18.21 | liable | stop abusing youe enter key is a good start |
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| 10:18.47 | stefan__ | liable: and what's the next step ? thank you |
| 10:18.53 | wols_ | stefan__: does non kde stuff work (when not in kde)? |
| 10:19.03 | wols_ | if so: blame artsd. in fact, always blame it |
| 10:19.13 | stefan__ | wols_: I only have kde so uhm ... i don't knoow |
| 10:19.24 | liable | !soundtest |
| 10:19.30 | stefan__ | wols_: so what can I do to artsd to make stuff work ? |
| 10:19.37 | liable | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 10:19.37 | dpkg | no, stupid liable |
| 10:19.46 | stefan__ | liable: |
| 10:19.58 | stefan__ | liable: I've tried to play a movie and I had no sound |
| 10:20.03 | liable | stefan__: cat vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
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| 10:20.54 | stefan__ | liable: I heard nothing |
| 10:21.07 | liable | stefan__: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 10:21.43 | stefan__ | liable: output was nothing |
| 10:21.58 | liable | !alsa checklist |
| 10:21.59 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 10:23.03 | dutchfish | Arnald, maybe i am stupid, is it a source package only? |
| 10:23.32 | Arnald | no, it's just a subdir in the jdk containiong the apache derby database |
| 10:24.01 | Arnald | someone has seen fit to remove the subdir, simple as that |
| 10:24.26 | Arnald | I am now reconfiguring with the Sun JDK, I expect that to work . . . |
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| 10:24.36 | dutchfish | Arnald, ok |
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| 10:27.15 | stefan__ | liable: no , nothing works |
| 10:27.15 | infinity0 | how do i remount an external hard drive which i've unplugged and then replugged in? |
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| 10:27.25 | stefan__ | liable: and in my previous install of debian it worked very OK |
| 10:27.41 | stefan__ | liable: I don't know how its possible for me not to have sound now ... |
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| 10:29.06 | abli | stefan__, If you have more than one soundcard (for example an integrated one and a PCI card) check which device is selected in the mixer. |
| 10:29.18 | abli | stefan__, I had problems like that before |
| 10:29.50 | abli | infinity0, the mount command has a remount option, if that is what you are looking for |
| 10:29.52 | stefan__ | abli: I think I only have an Integrated one |
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| 10:30.11 | infinity0 | abli: oh ok thanks |
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| 10:30.36 | infinity0 | abli: is it possible to access unmounted drives? |
| 10:31.08 | dutchfish | infinity0, not as a file system |
| 10:31.15 | liable | stefan__: alsaconf failed when you ran it? |
| 10:31.18 | infinity0 | oh ok, thanks |
| 10:31.21 | abli | you can access the device itself (for example parted does that when creating partitions etc.) but not the filesystem |
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| 10:31.30 | infinity0 | right |
| 10:31.49 | infinity0 | just seems a little inconvenient having to remount everytime you move devices :/ |
| 10:31.56 | abli | (I think you might be find a program that accesses the filesystem by doing lots of things the kernel would do itself) |
| 10:32.12 | JakeConnor | is there a way to print something out to dmesg? |
| 10:32.14 | dutchfish | infinity0, in a plain desktop install it should autmount |
| 10:32.19 | infinity0 | oooh ok |
| 10:32.19 | abli | infinity0, well, with automounter etc. you don't have to mount by hand |
| 10:32.34 | infinity0 | right, gotcha.. i'll try that out when i get X to work |
| 10:32.52 | abli | JakeConnor, maybe 'logger' ? |
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| 10:33.32 | stefan__ | liable: Setting default volumes... |
| 10:33.32 | stefan__ | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 10:33.49 | stefan__ | liable: stefan@stefan:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/alsa reload |
| 10:33.50 | stefan__ | Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: (none loaded). |
| 10:33.50 | stefan__ | Loading ALSA sound driver modules: (none to reload). |
| 10:33.54 | JakeConnor | abli: logger prints to my log/messages but not dmesg |
| 10:34.12 | liable | stefan__: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 10:34.21 | stefan__ | liable: yes |
| 10:34.26 | liable | stefan__: what card is it? |
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| 10:34.59 | liable | stefan__: what does dmesg say? if its not loading modules at all, theres something fishy going on |
| 10:35.36 | stefan__ | liable: dmesg | grep what ? |
| 10:35.46 | stefan__ | liable: what should I search for in the output of dmesg ? |
| 10:35.59 | liable | stefan__: just read through it |
| 10:36.15 | infinity0 | can someone help me with this: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-local - i'm try the "quick and dirty" way |
| 10:36.23 | dutchfish | how do i config my dhcp server in my lan to take images through IPX boot from a chosen server? |
| 10:36.26 | infinity0 | oh nvmd, typo |
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| 10:38.59 | Arnald | dutchfish: abli: OK thanks derby now running - had to copy derby.jar from Sun package to tomcat lib dir - shame about debian package though . . . |
| 10:39.18 | dutchfish | Arnald, nice |
| 10:39.26 | abli | Arnald, don't forget to file a bug then |
| 10:39.43 | Arnald | abli: hehe - on non-free? ;) |
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| 10:40.10 | stefan__ | liable: I just get this |
| 10:40.11 | stefan__ | snd_opl3sa2: probe of snd_opl3sa2.0 failed with error -12 |
| 10:40.11 | stefan__ | Yamaha OPL3-SA soundcard not found or device busy |
| 10:40.11 | stefan__ | cannot find the slot for index 0 (range 0-0), error: -16 |
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| 10:40.12 | Arnald | I don't think the dir was removed by accident |
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| 10:40.18 | abli | Arnald, what do you mean? debian bts doesnt handle non-free repository? |
| 10:40.25 | stefan__ | liable: like a thousand times or so ... |
| 10:40.42 | abli | Arnald, then it is a documentation bug: the explanation is missing (as you noted) |
| 10:40.44 | stefan__ | abli: what's bts ? |
| 10:40.45 | liable | stefan__: right, so theres a clue for you to start searching with |
| 10:40.47 | Arnald | abli: that was my understanding from way back . . . |
| 10:40.54 | abli | Bug Tracking system: bugs.debian.org |
| 10:41.15 | stefan__ | liable: but I don't know what to do |
| 10:41.19 | Arnald | non-free = non-debian AIUI |
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| 10:41.37 | liable | stefan__: google |
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| 10:41.48 | Arnald | I'll go and look again . . . |
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| 10:42.20 | abli | Arnald, even sun-java6-jdk has a bug reports page: packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ and thats in non-free _and_ etch-backports |
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| 10:44.18 | Arnald | abli: hmm, apparently there is now a javadb package, I just can't see it with APT . . . ! |
| 10:44.46 | Arnald | #418004 |
| 10:45.12 | Arnald | ah, DUE to be installed into the archive . . . ;) |
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| 10:45.28 | infinity0 | ok.... can someone help me with m-a auto-install? |
| 10:45.59 | infinity0 | http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-local - i've been following these insturctions ("quick and dirty" way) |
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| 10:46.17 | infinity0 | and i've moved both nvidia-glx_1.0.8776-4_amd64.deb and nvidia-kernel-source_1.0.8776-4_amd64.deb to /usr/local/debian/ |
| 10:46.27 | abli | Arnald, what apt line are you using for etch-backports repository? |
| 10:46.38 | Arnald | abli: I am on lenny/sid |
| 10:46.51 | abli | Arnald, yeah, thats the easy solution :) |
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| 10:47.18 | Arnald | I would not like to be waiting for a backport! ;) |
| 10:47.48 | esteel | hi |
| 10:47.56 | abli | and I would not want my machine breaking after every apt-get update (i.e. every week) :) |
| 10:47.57 | Arnald | but at least I now know non-free is supported by the BTS! |
| 10:48.51 | abli | gotta go, have fun everyone! |
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| 10:54.26 | mbroeker | i am using kpdf for pdf-viewing and the displayed fonts are ugly. does anyone know which font-package i need to install to improve the quality of displayed pdfs? |
| 10:55.16 | stefan__ | mbroeker: just use xpdf |
| 10:55.47 | gutts | is somebody use hybserv there ? |
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| 11:00.32 | xingu | mbroeker: "evince" is worth a shot too. |
| 11:00.59 | infinity0 | anyone know how to set up a local package repository that you can apt-get install from? |
| 11:01.30 | xand | I use apt-proxy for that |
| 11:02.01 | infinity0 | i have no http connection to my laptop whatsoever, i'm having to transfer .deb packages across |
| 11:02.06 | infinity0 | i was using this: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-local |
| 11:02.09 | xingu | infinity0: apt-proxy seems like a good fit, or apt-mirror. |
| 11:03.08 | xingu | infinity0: aah, try apt-zip then. |
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| 11:03.58 | infinity0 | right ok |
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| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-libc-dev' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.11 | infinity0 | xingu: it's not installed and apt-cache search returns no results |
| 11:05.39 | infinity0 | xingu: oh hang on, apt-get install worked for what i did |
| 11:05.39 | infinity0 | it's m-a auto-install that was causing problems |
| 11:06.40 | infinity0 | "apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common" worked, and then i m-a update/prepared, but m-a auto-install pops up "file not found" and "can't be authenticated" errors |
| 11:06.44 | c_newbie | hello, anyone have experiences to create raid 1+0 ? |
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| 11:14.07 | jetscreamer | c_newbie: you should mention you've been trying for 3 days... :/ |
| 11:14.25 | jetscreamer | and what you've tried and what's not working |
| 11:14.49 | jetscreamer | my god raid can't really be that hard can it? |
| 11:15.02 | jetscreamer | :) j/k |
| 11:15.33 | jetscreamer | you might also ask in other channels at the same time, like ##linux |
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| 11:20.58 | szachista | hello |
| 11:21.02 | waldo | exist any date previsted for lenny released stable ? |
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| 11:21.15 | romano2k | hi everyone! is there a way to convert a whole system from iso-8859-15 to utf-8? |
| 11:21.28 | liable | waldo: huh? |
| 11:21.40 | szachista | i've been using bootsplash for 3 years, but it seems to be dead now. What is the best alternative? gensplash? splashy? |
| 11:21.58 | liable | waldo: lenny wont be stable for prolly another twelve months |
| 11:22.13 | szachista | is there any debian-specific bootsplash program? |
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| 11:22.27 | waldo | at least 12 months ? humm, thats a bit :/ |
| 11:23.10 | liable | not "at least", probably |
| 11:23.21 | waldo | well, ok |
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| 11:23.53 | c_newbie | jetscreamer: ive tried to create sda and sdb as raid.1 |
| 11:23.58 | stoned | damn |
| 11:23.59 | c_newbie | the prob is i dunno next |
| 11:24.07 | stoned | jetscreamer: you _ARE_ old |
| 11:24.15 | stoned | you're up at 6:30 |
| 11:24.22 | stoned | damn |
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| 11:25.19 | J-roen | Hi, I accidentally removed a file from /usr/share/zoneinfo. How can I get it back? |
| 11:25.22 | stoned | wakenbake |
| 11:25.24 | c_newbie | what i have to do with the rest hds |
| 11:25.50 | SpeedyG | hi ,when restarting apache2 I get the following error: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name |
| 11:25.55 | SpeedyG | what can I do about it? |
| 11:26.06 | wols_ | !hosts |
| 11:26.09 | wols_ | !host |
| 11:26.09 | dpkg | wols_'s host is: p549DC6DB.dip.t-dialin.net |
| 11:26.17 | wols_ | !hostname |
| 11:26.17 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 11:26.20 | wols_ | that's it |
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| 11:26.28 | stoned | wols_: you have a tail |
| 11:26.30 | SpeedyG | wols_: it's in there |
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| 11:26.43 | wols_ | SpeedyG: I have a back ache |
| 11:26.43 | SpeedyG | (btw, this error occured after upgrading from sarge to etch) |
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| 11:26.56 | stoned | wols_: so do I |
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| 11:28.28 | jetscreamer | why thank you stoned... now what are you doing up, isnt it past your bedtime? :) |
| 11:28.45 | SpeedyG | wols_: should /etc/hostname also contain the FQDN, or only hostname, without domain ? |
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| 11:29.16 | J-roen | I accidentally removed a file from /usr/share/zoneinfo. How can I get it back? |
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| 11:34.03 | c_newbie | jetscreamer: help me please |
| 11:34.03 | c_newbie | :( |
| 11:35.12 | J-roen | How come I can't reinstall tzdata? |
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| 11:37.02 | jetscreamer | c_newbie: i told you, i've never done raid, so i'm not much help |
| 11:37.23 | jetscreamer | why do you want to reinstall tzdata |
| 11:37.35 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: do you have any idea about my problem ? |
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| 11:38.04 | jetscreamer | oh is that the deleted file? apt-get install --reinstall |
| 11:38.14 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 11:38.14 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
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| 11:39.24 | jetscreamer | no i've never done apache either... |
| 11:39.35 | SpeedyG | hm :( |
| 11:40.29 | mbroeker | well fonts... |
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| 11:43.07 | J-roen | jetscreamer: It says that tzdata can't be installed because it can't be downloaded. |
| 11:43.15 | J-roen | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install tzdata |
| 11:43.53 | CdBi-Tux | i need a program that record my x session |
| 11:44.27 | petemc | screencasting |
| 11:44.57 | CdBi-Tux | petemc: it is not on repos |
| 11:45.16 | petemc | thats the generic term |
| 11:45.34 | CdBi-Tux | ah :P |
| 11:45.48 | petemc | apt-cache search screen cast |
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| 11:47.33 | jetscreamer | try a different mirror then |
| 11:47.45 | CdBi-Tux | found! |
| 11:47.47 | CdBi-Tux | thanks |
| 11:48.09 | jetscreamer | !info recordmydesktop |
| 11:48.15 | dpkg | recordmydesktop: (Captures audio-video data of a Linux desktop session), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.3.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 11:49.22 | CdBi-Tux | ahh |
| 11:49.25 | CdBi-Tux | it is on sid |
| 11:49.28 | CdBi-Tux | i got etch |
| 11:49.36 | spx2 | eval : print $^T; |
| 11:49.40 | spx2 | eval: print $^T; |
| 11:49.53 | jetscreamer | !info recordmydesktop etch |
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| 11:50.20 | jetscreamer | gimp does some of that also |
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| 11:50.46 | infinity0 | is this line in my sources.list correct: |
| 11:50.53 | infinity0 | deb file:/usr/local/debian ./ |
| 11:51.35 | jetscreamer | file:// ? |
| 11:52.11 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 11:53.37 | cast | man sources.list |
| 11:54.01 | infinity0 | right, i'll have a lookt |
| 11:54.03 | infinity0 | look* |
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| 11:58.08 | JakeConnor | is there a way to have the name of screen window that you are on displayed in the top corner always somehow or maybe the session name or something so i can tell which session and/or window i'm in with screen? |
| 11:58.24 | Alumin | JakeConnor: you want hardstatus |
| 11:58.36 | Alumin | I can't remember the details, but yeah you can definitely do that |
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| 11:58.46 | Alumin | alwayslastline is another option I think |
| 11:59.31 | JakeConnor | Alumin: what would alwayslastline do? |
| 11:59.34 | SpeedyG | hi, when restarting apache I'm getting this error: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name |
| 11:59.34 | Alumin | OK, so I'm trying to install Etch r1 on a PowerEdge 1750, but the keyboard doesn't work. I've tried a PS/2 keyboard, a USB keyboard, and the keyboard on the KVM connected to the machine...no dice |
| 11:59.37 | SpeedyG | what can I do about it? /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname are set-up correctly |
| 12:00.04 | Alumin | all three of these keyboards work fine in the BIOS during the boot process |
| 12:00.47 | Alumin | I even tried using the DRAC, but its console redirect cuts off as soon as it gets out of the BIOS(es) stage |
| 12:00.51 | Alumin | what gives? |
| 12:01.48 | Alumin | I'm gonna go try another idea, but if anybody's got a clue, that'd be great :) |
| 12:02.07 | Alumin | JakeConnor: sorry, don't have many spare cycles right now, but it's all in the screen docs |
| 12:02.27 | JakeConnor | Alumin: i don't think hard status is the thing because it just always shows a status area and not my current window / session |
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| 12:05.26 | JakeConnor | Alumin: hardstatus string "%s %w" did something idk |
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| 12:08.56 | JakeConnor | Alumin: check out :caption always |
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| 12:29.39 | SpeedyG | anyone that can help me with this apache2 problem? |
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| 12:30.41 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:31.12 | petemc | SpeedyG: whats the output of hostname -f ? |
| 12:31.39 | abrotman | SpeedyG: can you actually tell us about the problem ? :) |
| 12:31.44 | DexterF | general wth: nfs mount I could dive into yesterday today says "no permission" |
| 12:32.06 | DexterF | it has 770 mode, belongs to root:foo and I'm in foo. so what's wrong? |
| 12:32.16 | SpeedyG | hm, seems the problem itself is solved now :) apache2.conf didnt contain the ServerName item ... |
| 12:32.26 | SpeedyG | I was kinda confused by servername/vhost |
| 12:33.58 | DexterF | things get weirder: can't dive into that dir as root as well oO |
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| 12:34.34 | gfather | hello guys |
| 12:34.43 | gfather | im installing debian from the net cd |
| 12:34.55 | gfather | and i choos a miror from the uk |
| 12:35.01 | gfather | but its still 5% |
| 12:35.11 | gfather | should i change it or something , or wait |
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| 12:35.58 | DexterF | at 5% after how long on what connection type and what did you chose to install? |
| 12:35.59 | wfq | hi guys |
| 12:36.20 | DexterF | ok, nfs issue partly solved, root squash, sorted that out. still as user no go. pointers? |
| 12:36.44 | SpeedyG | petemc: thanks for that hint btw :) it seems my /etc/hosts file wasnt totally correct after all :) |
| 12:36.55 | wfq | is it possible to install Enlightenment in debian etch with debian packages or this is the only possibility?http://sourceforge.net/projects/enlightenment/ |
| 12:37.10 | gfather | ok , its been like 20 minutes , my connection is 2mb and i choose desktop enviroment and web server |
| 12:37.20 | gfather | thats all |
| 12:38.25 | DexterF | 20min... 5%... mh, doesn't sound too good, agreed. well, if your partitions are set up, maybe cancel and start over, yes. what mirror is that? usually most debian mirrors kick ass |
| 12:38.42 | Coweater | wfq: it's possible |
| 12:38.45 | DexterF | my 2mb is constantly maxed out when fetching stuff. |
| 12:38.50 | SpeedyG | btw, can anyone hilight me (testing purpose) |
| 12:39.12 | gfather | ok il started again , would you recomnd me a miror , any one in europ |
| 12:39.25 | gfather | or should i joose israil as its nex to me |
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| 12:40.09 | wfq | Coweater, I am now in windows and I am going to isntall debian but I can imagine by apt-cache I will be able to find the necessaries packages? |
| 12:40.14 | gfather | im starting it agian |
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| 12:41.45 | yos87 | Hi, I have quesiton, I have debian etch, how can I make a user to not be able to burn or copy data out of the pc ? |
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| 12:42.26 | cast | thats difficult. |
| 12:42.37 | cast | dont give them access to usb/floppy/cd/etc... and block their internet |
| 12:43.45 | yos87 | cast: no, internet is fine, because the data size use to be large most of the time, the most important is the CD |
| 12:43.50 | cast | install a lock on the case, passwd the bios and disable booting from cd, |
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| 12:44.37 | cast | so what are you trying to stop, people burning cds and using usb drives? then don't give them permission |
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| 12:45.15 | yos87 | cast: yea, that what I want to know, how to not give user permission on cdrom? |
| 12:45.15 | infinity0 | i have an error using apt-get |
| 12:45.22 | infinity0 | "The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 12:45.37 | yos87 | cast: or if it's diffecult, let me know where to read about that |
| 12:45.44 | infinity0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.00 | infinity0 | nvidia-glx* sorry |
| 12:46.31 | infinity0 | do i need to update my libc6 or downgrade it or something? :S |
| 12:46.32 | azeem | infinity0: you're trying to install a package which has been built against testing on stable |
| 12:46.43 | azeem | install the proper stable package |
| 12:46.47 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 12:47.38 | infinity0 | i'm looking for drivers for geforce 8600 gt though, the stable version http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-glx doesn't list it |
| 12:47.47 | cast | yos87: remove them from the cdrom group - but if you have automounter action going on i don't know what needs to be done |
| 12:47.48 | yos87 | cast: I read about changing permission on the file, But how to do for the CDrom? |
| 12:48.05 | infinity0 | azeem: ^ |
| 12:48.33 | cast | yos87: same way you do things on a file, except do it to /dev/hda or /dev/hdc, but just remove them from the cdrom group...its better. |
| 12:48.36 | azeem | infinity0: then you will have to wait till the next stable release is out |
| 12:48.48 | azeem | infinity0: or see whether they are at backports.org, or upgrade to testing |
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| 12:49.03 | infinity0 | azeem: right. how do i upgrade to testing? |
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| 12:50.31 | abrotman | wouldn't it be easier to use backports.org ? |
| 12:50.45 | infinity0 | yeah turns out they are there |
| 12:50.47 | infinity0 | right, thanks :) |
| 12:50.53 | infinity0 | so i just download them and re-install yeah? |
| 12:51.02 | yos87 | cast: the /dev/cdrom is link, where is the cdrom located? |
| 12:51.10 | infinity0 | oh no they're only i386 versions :/ |
| 12:51.13 | abrotman | yos87: ls -l |
| 12:51.27 | walck | good day |
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| 12:54.34 | omind | hi everybody |
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| 12:57.07 | infinity0 | azeem: if i get the newest version of libc6 and apt-get install that would that work? |
| 12:58.13 | liable | not a good idea |
| 12:58.13 | tuv | i had a problem mounting an external usb disk. i used ddrescue (gddrescue) to make an image. now the image cannot be mounted either. it can be mounted as ext2, but then ls says: Input/output error. how can get to the files in there? |
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| 12:59.32 | omind | i have a smal question |
| 13:00.05 | xand | !ask |
| 13:00.05 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 13:00.05 | omind | i'm using two screens |
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| 13:00.07 | omind | but each screen has it own windows |
| 13:00.20 | omind | and i want just one window |
| 13:00.34 | omind | to be viewed in both tw screens |
| 13:00.39 | omind | how can i do that ? |
| 13:00.41 | azeem | infinity0: no |
| 13:00.53 | azeem | that's the wrong solution |
| 13:01.08 | azeem | infinity0: where do you have that nvidia package from, anyway? |
| 13:01.11 | infinity0 | meh, this is weird, i managed to install the unstable version of nvidia-kernel-common and /source fine |
| 13:01.26 | infinity0 | azeem: off this: http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 13:01.31 | azeem | via dpkg? |
| 13:01.36 | infinity0 | i'm trying to get X to work, atm it isn't detetcing a screen |
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| 13:01.54 | omind | what should i do ?? |
| 13:01.59 | infinity0 | azeem: i downloaded onto hard drive, transferred onto laptop, then dpkg-scanpackages | gzip'd yes |
| 13:02.26 | infinity0 | azeem: i'll try now with the newer one... |
| 13:02.31 | azeem | infinity0: and nobody told you you shouldn't use dpkg to install packages? |
| 13:02.38 | azeem | infinity0: newer what? |
| 13:02.43 | infinity0 | older one i mean |
| 13:02.47 | azeem | ah |
| 13:02.51 | azeem | did you try the nv driver? |
| 13:03.05 | infinity0 | azeem: no... wel i've been asking this same question since 4 hours ago :p nobody's replied so i've been using google myself |
| 13:03.12 | infinity0 | azeem: nv is the default driver i think, didn't work |
| 13:03.26 | infinity0 | as soon as linux starts it goes "X server error" or whatever |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | i thought the nvidia binary in etch supported the 8xxx cards |
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| 13:04.01 | infinity0 | yeah i misreda that page |
| 13:04.10 | infinity0 | it says "doesn't support etc" i read it as "it supports" >< |
| 13:04.26 | cast | tuv: next files? |
| 13:04.30 | wols_ | abrotman: it doesn't. especially not the 8600 and lower ones |
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| 13:04.41 | wols_ | abrotman: at most it supports 8800 |
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| 13:04.44 | nuxis_ | dpkg-reconfigure xorg...... |
| 13:04.47 | nuxis_ | what was it? |
| 13:04.48 | cast | tuv: eh, text files* |
| 13:05.04 | abrotman | wols_: then the legacy would support it ? |
| 13:05.06 | infinity0 | but just one question, i installed the sid version of nvidia-kernel-source and did "m-a auto-install nvidia" with that, will this affect anything? |
| 13:05.15 | tuv | cast, it's a 200+ GB partition.. a mixture of all kinds of files |
| 13:05.57 | cast | tuv: can you do a dump on it? |
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| 13:06.22 | tuv | cast, i used ddrescue to create an image of it |
| 13:06.29 | nuxis_ | somone what was the command to reconfigure x? |
| 13:06.34 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 13:06.34 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:06.51 | nuxis_ | tnx |
| 13:06.56 | wols_ | abrotman: definitely not |
| 13:06.56 | cast | p dump - 4.4bsd dump and restore for ext2 filesystems |
| 13:07.00 | cast | that dump :) |
| 13:07.16 | abrotman | wols_: nvidia sucks |
| 13:07.17 | cast | on your image, that is |
| 13:07.30 | UpgradeBoy | hi folks. Need a favour. Jus took delivery of a new machine. But the Debian installer turns around and says it doesn't recognise the cd-rom. The cd/dvd is an Optiac DVD RW Ad-5170A. What do I need to do for boot parameters to make the debian installer recognise this IDE device? |
| 13:07.42 | sideral | I always read that servers should disable root login via ssh, and to rather ssh in as a normal user and gain root privs via su. I would like to know your opinion: is it not as sage to allow root login when password authentication is disabled and only I can become root via the private key? or am I missing a point somewhere in the security setup? |
| 13:07.51 | sideral | sage=safe |
| 13:07.53 | yos87 | cast: I made chmod g-w hdb |
| 13:07.58 | infinity0 | wols_: wait so nvidia-glx_1.0.8776-4_amd64.deb *DOESN'T* support nvidia 8600 gt? |
| 13:08.15 | cast | yos87: sounds good :) |
| 13:08.18 | wols_ | infinity0: nope |
| 13:08.30 | war | this channel is much NICER when you /ignore joins & parts |
| 13:08.37 | UpgradeBoy | No one can help? |
| 13:08.46 | sideral | /ignore joins |
| 13:08.47 | yos87 | cast: now I need to try to burn cd to be sure |
| 13:08.49 | tuv | cast, what do you mean? |
| 13:08.51 | cast | war: odd that you should say that just then, my buffer is empty of em |
| 13:08.53 | infinity0 | wols_: so do you have any tips for me to get X working? i only have the stable version of etch4.0r0 and no net connection on that machine :/ |
| 13:09.01 | wols_ | UpgradeBoy: your problem is the IDE controller. not the CDROM |
| 13:09.10 | UpgradeBoy | wols_: tell me more. |
| 13:09.12 | wols_ | infinity0: vesa |
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| 13:09.29 | infinity0 | wols_: what's that? |
| 13:09.36 | wols_ | infinity0: a video driver |
| 13:09.41 | infinity0 | right ok |
| 13:10.13 | wols_ | !tell UpgradeBoy about kmuto |
| 13:10.19 | infinity0 | and how do i uninstall all this extra crap i've just installed like the nvidia-kernel module-assistant? |
| 13:10.33 | abli | Hi! what apt line do I need in sources.list to use the etch-backports repositories? (the ones which's packages are listed on packages.debian.org) |
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| 13:10.48 | yos87 | cast: humm, when burning it say cannot reach scsi device, it's very nice the permission denied is not appear |
| 13:10.52 | abrotman | abli: read the instructions at backports.org .. especially the bit about pinning |
| 13:10.53 | wols_ | infinity0: by reading apt-get and dpkg manuals and learning how to use those programs |
| 13:11.18 | infinity0 | right, same goes for m-a too i guess then |
| 13:11.20 | abli | abrotman, backports.org? thanks. I didn't know about that site |
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| 13:11.38 | abrotman | abli: wtf etch-backports were you talking about ? |
| 13:11.40 | abli | infinity0, hint: use apt-get remove with purge option |
| 13:11.48 | UpgradeBoy | wols_: magic. Thanks a lot. |
| 13:12.00 | infinity0 | yeah i know that one, but i need to remove a module-assistant with m-a as well |
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| 13:12.28 | abli | abrotman, the one mentioned on: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/sun-java6-jdk |
| 13:12.39 | wols_ | infinity0: m-a creates debs which are installed like any other deb |
| 13:12.43 | abli | abrotman, I want to install that package. |
| 13:12.52 | abrotman | abli: which points to backports.org :) |
| 13:12.54 | infinity0 | oh right, so apt-get will remove them fine? |
| 13:14.32 | abli | abrotman, oh yeah. I didn't know the download link will also mention the correct apt-line. I think in the previous version of the p.d.o site it only contained links to the debs |
| 13:14.34 | yos87 | cast: i have so many usb here, I have to change permission to all of the to block the usb access? http://pastebin.com/d3fd0291 |
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| 13:14.53 | abrotman | abli: so anyways .. read the instructions at backports.org .. especially the bit about pinning |
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| 13:15.13 | abli | abrotman, yeah, I will. thanks |
| 13:15.38 | abrotman | stefan__: do you have a question ? |
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| 13:16.24 | cast | yos87: just kill whatever automounts the usb, or make it automount usb ro instead of rw. i use usbmount, i do not know what pkg the gnome desktop environment uses [discover? not sure] |
| 13:16.46 | stefan__ | abrotman: haha |
| 13:17.07 | infinity0 | wols_: is xserver-xorg-video-vesa (1:1.3.0-1) the one i want, and is this package on the debian distro DVDs? |
| 13:17.29 | abrotman | infinity0: stop pulling packages from other versions of debian .. you're going to completely fuck your system |
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| 13:17.36 | suwro | hello |
| 13:17.48 | suwro | how can i see which services are started ?? |
| 13:17.59 | infinity0 | abrotman: right well i have no idea what i'm doing it's my first debian install :| |
| 13:18.12 | abrotman | !drxx infinity0 |
| 13:18.12 | dpkg | infinity0: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 13:18.19 | abrotman | and choose vesa when it asks you for a driver |
| 13:18.33 | abli | suwro, 'ps -aux' and sort out the once that look like a daemon? |
| 13:18.56 | suwro | abli: i tought there's a script for that already |
| 13:19.04 | abli | suwro, also, i think some scripts in /etc/init.d can be called with a 'status' option |
| 13:19.06 | liable | !services |
| 13:19.06 | dpkg | services is probably to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
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| 13:22.49 | suwro | ok ty |
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| 13:31.46 | infinity0 | abrotman: lol well did what you told me to and i picked vesa as the driver, and now my screen has turned off and turns off whenever i try to boot gnu/linux up and it tries to load X |
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| 13:31.56 | Skept | My laptop is not detecting the earphones, when I plug them in. The audio is still coming out through speakers. What do I check? |
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| 13:32.22 | abrotman | infinity0: vesa almost always works .. something else must be out of whack |
| 13:32.43 | infinity0 | abrotman: even for geforce 8600 gt? |
| 13:32.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:32.49 | abli | Skept, does it work with another OS? |
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| 13:33.18 | infinity0 | abrotman: well i'm gonna go reinstall my system and try it again, might have been some other random crap |
| 13:33.19 | Skept | Yeph, it worked in windows vista [Laptop came preinstalled with that] |
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| 13:33.30 | abrotman | infinity0: now stop mixing packages .. |
| 13:33.38 | abrotman | infinity0: why doesn't your system have intarweb ? |
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| 13:33.46 | infinity0 | abrotman: modem has no linux drivers |
| 13:33.53 | abrotman | but you're online now ? |
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| 13:34.03 | abrotman | what kind of modem is it ? |
| 13:34.08 | infinity0 | abrotman: on my windows comp |
| 13:34.17 | infinity0 | abrotman: f@st sagem 800 or smoething |
| 13:34.22 | infinity0 | USB/ ADSL |
| 13:34.34 | abrotman | oh ... you're not using a router in front .. okay .. whatever .. |
| 13:34.41 | abrotman | maybe setup windows internet connection sharing ? |
| 13:34.55 | infinity0 | i could but i don't have a ethernet cable to connect my pc and my laptop |
| 13:35.00 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:35.12 | cast | the replacement of the term 'nat' with 'ics' annoyes me :< |
| 13:35.32 | bullgard4 | Using a 2.6.20generic kernel and a laptop computer, how can I access the SysRq function of the PntScr/SysRq key? The procedure outlined in /usr/src/linux-sources-2.6.20/Documentation/sysrq.txt fails. |
| 13:35.41 | dalias | infinity0, there is no need to reinstall |
| 13:35.42 | infinity0 | it's no wonder not many people use gnu/linux :| i literlally spent 10 hours yesetrday working out how to manually set up encrypted LVM system just the way i wanted :| |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | cast: i wasn't going to play the "guess the term" game |
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| 13:35.56 | dalias | just hold shift while booting and boot "linux init=/bin/bash" |
| 13:36.04 | dalias | then edit the config file to change the driver to something elser |
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| 13:36.14 | dalias | using the vesa driver under X is a bad idea btw |
| 13:36.17 | abrotman | dalias: he's been mixing stable and unstable |
| 13:36.17 | cast | abrotman: wasn't aimed at you |
| 13:36.18 | infinity0 | dalias: ahh ok... which config file? |
| 13:36.28 | infinity0 | abrotman: i've uninstalled all the unstable packages |
| 13:36.29 | abrotman | dalias: and the drivers in etch don't support his card |
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| 13:36.38 | cast | infinity0: and now try to setup encrypted logical volume management in the windows installer |
| 13:36.39 | infinity0 | it's nvidia geforce 8600gt |
| 13:36.43 | dalias | if you want to do that, you should use vesafb in the _kernel_ to provide fbcon, then make X use the fbcon driver |
| 13:36.46 | abrotman | dalias: and he has no internet |
| 13:36.53 | dalias | switching to a vesa mode at boot is safe |
| 13:36.54 | abli | infinity0, ever tried doing that on windows? |
| 13:36.58 | infinity0 | cast: lol okay okay i get your point :P |
| 13:37.00 | abrotman | dalias: so why doesn't his vesa driver work ? |
| 13:37.04 | dalias | running bios code after boot is a formula for disaster |
| 13:37.12 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 13:37.34 | dalias | this code is meant to be called from DOS, not from a high-level os.. |
| 13:37.43 | dalias | :) |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | infinity0: the vesa driver should work .. it doesn't .. something is wrong |
| 13:38.11 | infinity0 | right, it might be that other crap i installed earlier i udnno.. i'll reinstall my system it won't take longer i've gotten the hang of it |
| 13:38.16 | infinity0 | i'll be back in like 20 minutes or so :) |
| 13:38.16 | dalias | anyway editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf should fix it |
| 13:38.23 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:38.25 | infinity0 | oh i'll try that first |
| 13:38.35 | asg | abrotman: randomly editing files is the new thing these days |
| 13:38.36 | dalias | or, remove xdm/gdm/whatever from the the startup |
| 13:38.36 | wols_ | dalias: stop talking when you don't have a clue. you use BIOS code all the time |
| 13:38.37 | abrotman | dalias: editing it to say what ? |
| 13:38.41 | dalias | wols_, nope |
| 13:38.48 | abrotman | yes you do |
| 13:38.52 | dalias | i don't use any bios code, for good reason |
| 13:38.58 | abrotman | dalias: what should infinity0 make his xorg.conf say? |
| 13:39.04 | abrotman | dalias: why doesn't vesa work ? |
| 13:39.16 | infinity0 | well i can change "vesa" to "nv" and see if that works, i still have backups of my old config |
| 13:39.22 | abrotman | infinity0: it won't work |
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| 13:39.26 | infinity0 | why not? |
| 13:39.36 | abrotman | the nv driver in etch doesn't support the 8xxx IIRC |
| 13:39.37 | mbroeker | brb |
| 13:39.42 | dalias | abrotman, i don't know, but i do know that running random vendor-provided proprietary binaryware with kernel privileges on top of linux is a BAD IDEA |
| 13:39.47 | infinity0 | yeah but at least it'll pop up an error screen |
| 13:39.51 | abrotman | dalias: jesus .. shut up |
| 13:39.51 | infinity0 | and let me get to bash |
| 13:40.02 | infinity0 | atm it's just shutting down the monitor |
| 13:40.04 | dalias | it certainly can fail |
| 13:40.12 | dalias | so.. |
| 13:40.16 | abrotman | you're still wrong ? |
| 13:40.35 | dalias | infinity0, do you want to just get the machine to boot and worry about getting X working as a separate step? |
| 13:40.46 | dalias | or do you want to try to find a way to make X work? |
| 13:40.47 | infinity0 | dalias: it's booting fine, it was before too |
| 13:40.50 | dalias | ah ok |
| 13:40.54 | dalias | i thought it was auto-starting X |
| 13:40.59 | dalias | and thus making big problems |
| 13:41.03 | infinity0 | yeah it is but that's cos i set it up like that |
| 13:41.07 | dalias | yeah |
| 13:41.12 | infinity0 | previously it was booting into bash, then starting X |
| 13:41.18 | infinity0 | and throwing an error |
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| 13:41.22 | infinity0 | then i did that config thing |
| 13:41.30 | liable | hehe |
| 13:41.32 | infinity0 | and now instead of throwing an error it's stiwching the monitor off |
| 13:41.34 | dalias | well if you want to change that you can boot with "init=/bin/bash" on the linux boot command line |
| 13:41.39 | dalias | ah |
| 13:41.44 | abrotman | wow |
| 13:41.52 | abrotman | asg: can i have my beer now ? |
| 13:41.56 | wols_ | infinity0: and you weren't able to go to a different virtual console when the screen got black or didn't you even try? |
| 13:42.03 | asg | abrotman: of course, it's just about time for one |
| 13:42.08 | infinity0 | wols_: dunno how to get screen to turn back on >< |
| 13:42.21 | infinity0 | it wasn't blank, it was turned off |
| 13:42.23 | wols_ | abrotman: how about a sleeping pill. with luck you wake up monday at the earliest |
| 13:42.30 | dalias | and please abrotman don't go calling me an idiot and accusing me of running code i'm not running when we're trying to discuss something. |
| 13:42.46 | abrotman | dalias: oh fuck off .. i wasn't the only one .. don't single me out .. and you are |
| 13:42.50 | wols_ | dalias: but you ARE an idiot. no fault of his |
| 13:42.57 | dalias | .... |
| 13:43.17 | wols_ | infinity0: define "turned off" |
| 13:43.18 | UpgradeBoy | ladies. Put the handbags down. |
| 13:43.40 | infinity0 | wols_: blank screen when switched on is very different from switched off, there is still light |
| 13:43.43 | dalias | i'm not running the code (after linux takes control of the boot process, that is), and well-aware of video stuff |
| 13:43.58 | dalias | if you think i'm an idiot that's your business |
| 13:44.06 | abli | Any idea what would make an ssh tunnel hang? I am trying to use svn through ssh, and it is simply unusable, because almost no data is transfered. It just pauses as if I pulled the network cable out, but other network traffic, (irc, web) works. |
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| 13:44.08 | abrotman | don't tell infinity0 things that aren't true |
| 13:44.31 | dalias | abrotman, i told him that using the X vesa driver is much more error-prone than booting with vesafb and using fbcon X driver |
| 13:44.34 | dalias | which is true |
| 13:44.42 | asg | abli: are you able to ssh to the server on which your svn repo lives? |
| 13:44.46 | infinity0 | i didn't understand it anyway tbh but just chill i'm sure you're both right in different ways :/ |
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| 13:44.47 | wols_ | infinity0: so try ctrl+alt+f2 already. and tell us what your Xorg log says |
| 13:44.50 | abrotman | dalias: you told him many things that aren't true |
| 13:44.55 | dalias | abrotman, like..? |
| 13:44.57 | abli | asg, yes |
| 13:45.01 | azeem | abrotman: please just /ignore |
| 13:45.30 | dalias | i'm trying to help infinity0 and abrotman keeps accusing me of providing bad information without saying what information is bad |
| 13:45.38 | dalias | if some of it is bad, i'd like to know |
| 13:45.41 | abrotman | please stop singling me out |
| 13:45.42 | dalias | and if it's not, i'd like him to stop |
| 13:45.51 | abrotman | i wasn't the only one |
| 13:45.56 | dalias | ok wols_ too |
| 13:46.04 | dalias | sorry about that |
| 13:46.08 | azeem | dalias: you've been trying to help him with booting for ages while that wasn't the problem at all |
| 13:46.19 | wols_ | dalias: linux uses the BIOS still after it starts. VESA for example is wholly BIOS dependent |
| 13:46.22 | dalias | azeem, i was trying to help him boot without X auto-starting |
| 13:46.27 | UpgradeBoy | abrotman: stop being such a prissy little whiner. Either tell him what he said was wrong orSTFU. |
| 13:46.33 | dalias | so that he could fix the driver or configure X not to auto-start |
| 13:46.37 | azeem | UpgradeBoy: please keep out of this |
| 13:46.48 | infinity0 | so... where shall i add "init=/bin/bash"? |
| 13:46.53 | UpgradeBoy | azeem : and you? |
| 13:46.54 | infinity0 | there's 4 lines i could add it on... |
| 13:47.00 | azeem | UpgradeBoy: it's my job |
| 13:47.06 | azeem | infinity0: 15:43 < wols_> infinity0: so try ctrl+alt+f2 already. and tell us what your Xorg log says |
| 13:47.08 | dalias | infinity0, if you're already booted ok and able to access the machine, you don't need to |
| 13:47.18 | infinity0 | right ok |
| 13:47.19 | wols_ | infinity0: nowhere. try to boot in "safe mode". you have an entry for that in your grub menu |
| 13:47.29 | abrotman | his system boots fine .. X fails |
| 13:47.29 | dalias | i thought you were 'locked out' |
| 13:47.31 | infinity0 | no, just normal mode and single-user mode |
| 13:47.34 | UpgradeBoy | azeem: I made a valid point to abrotman. He is being unreasonable and disruptive. |
| 13:47.54 | infinity0 | wols_: so what does ctrl+alt+f2 do |
| 13:47.59 | infinity0 | hang on i'm starting it up |
| 13:47.59 | abrotman | UpgradeBoy: and i've been asked to stop discussing it .. EoD |
| 13:48.04 | azeem | UpgradeBoy: you said `prissy little whiner |
| 13:48.05 | wols_ | infinity0: you boot. the screen goes blank. then try and press ctrl+alt+f2. do you get letters? yes or no? |
| 13:48.15 | dalias | wols_, linux does not use vesa unless you specifically tell it to. linux itself only uses it at boot to set a video mode. x can use vesa later after boot of course, if configured for the vesa driver. |
| 13:48.15 | azeem | UpgradeBoy: that's an ad hominem |
| 13:48.20 | infinity0 | wols_: k, i'll try that |
| 13:48.22 | azeem | UpgradeBoy: so cut it, please |
| 13:48.28 | dalias | wols_, and like i said, _I_ do not use vesa or other bios calls |
| 13:48.40 | UpgradeBoy | azeem: I know. And he was. And a lot worse was said before like the f*** word. Where were you then. EOS for me anyway. |
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| 13:48.57 | dalias | wow |
| 13:49.14 | infinity0 | oh come on stop arguing itdoesn't really matter :/ |
| 13:49.21 | abrotman | infinity0: do you have a way to transfer files between systems ? |
| 13:49.22 | dalias | yeah sorry infinity0 |
| 13:49.25 | azeem | infinity0: please concentrate on your task |
| 13:49.32 | dalias | it just pisses me off when people make unfounded accusations against me |
| 13:49.33 | infinity0 | abrotman: yes, external hard drive |
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| 13:49.41 | infinity0 | ctrl+alt+f2 didn't do anything, screen stayed blank |
| 13:49.45 | infinity0 | basically lemme explain further |
| 13:49.51 | wols_ | we're all monkeys here right? |
| 13:49.58 | streuner | sure |
| 13:49.58 | Azar | hehe |
| 13:49.59 | infinity0 | before i edited the x conf, system booted right up to the bash login part |
| 13:50.00 | streuner | :-) |
| 13:50.05 | infinity0 | and i could login to the system |
| 13:50.18 | infinity0 | oh just before that there was the X error message |
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| 13:50.25 | streuner | Azar: fun today? :-) |
| 13:50.40 | infinity0 | now, i finish booting, X auto-starts, and screen switches off |
| 13:50.42 | Azar | streuner: happy to see all elite here on weekend |
| 13:50.45 | infinity0 | ctrl+alt+f2 did jack as well |
| 13:50.47 | streuner | hehe |
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| 13:50.59 | infinity0 | ahh screw this i'll just reinstall |
| 13:50.59 | azeem | infinity0: so boot into single-user mode |
| 13:51.03 | dalias | infinity0, if you can get into the box with 'safe mode' or whatever you can put your X back to the old config |
| 13:51.04 | wols_ | infinity0: probably your set your monitor settings to something your actually monitor doesn't allow. that makes the monitor turn off |
| 13:51.13 | infinity0 | right ok |
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| 13:51.36 | infinity0 | well i set it as 1280x800 which is what it's supposed to be, meh |
| 13:51.39 | dalias | wols_, if that were the case, switching back to a console should make the monitor come back on... |
| 13:51.39 | infinity0 | i'll try single-ser |
| 13:51.45 | infinity0 | user* |
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| 13:52.08 | abrotman | the driver probably tried to use 800x600 |
| 13:52.18 | azeem | infinity0: try with something simply like 1024x768 or 800x600 |
| 13:52.24 | azeem | once that works, you can still ramp it up |
| 13:52.28 | infinity0 | it's a widescreen lappy |
| 13:52.33 | dalias | and i still think trying vesafb+fbdev x driver would be a good idea |
| 13:52.37 | abrotman | infinity0: just try it to see if it works |
| 13:52.38 | azeem | infinity0: did you mention this already? |
| 13:52.45 | infinity0 | azeem: mention what? |
| 13:52.45 | liable | bah, try and find a review on a mobo and all you get is stupid shopping site reviews |
| 13:52.50 | dalias | even if you don't believe my reasoning, it's an alternate setup that has a chance of working.... |
| 13:52.52 | azeem | that it's a widescreen lappy |
| 13:52.56 | infinity0 | don't think so |
| 13:52.58 | azeem | that's more complicated, usually |
| 13:53.11 | infinity0 | well i'm on bash |
| 13:53.15 | infinity0 | the single-user stuf worked |
| 13:53.19 | abrotman | cast: you had a sound card? .. rich kids .. jeez |
| 13:53.21 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:53.31 | dalias | cast, i always had them because i rtfm'd the hardware compatibility guides when purchasing :) |
| 13:53.32 | infinity0 | where's the x conf file? |
| 13:53.39 | dalias | infinity0, /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 13:53.40 | abrotman | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 13:53.40 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.42 | dalias | is the main file |
| 13:53.44 | infinity0 | kk ty |
| 13:53.45 | asg | abrotman: he probably had a hard disk large enough to hold both X and emacs at the same time |
| 13:53.54 | cast | abrotman: i did till someone plugged the floppy connector into its cdrom-audio-in header :| |
| 13:53.54 | azeem | !nodm |
| 13:53.54 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 13:53.57 | abrotman | asg: UNPOSSIBLE! |
| 13:54.01 | wols_ | infinity0: but first, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file |
| 13:54.24 | infinity0 | yup it's huge |
| 13:54.26 | infinity0 | any particular part you want? |
| 13:54.27 | dalias | oh good idea |
| 13:54.28 | liable | thanks |
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| 13:54.31 | Azar | hehe |
| 13:54.36 | abrotman | oh yeah .. logs are good ... |
| 13:54.50 | cast | dalias: well, luckily the hardware was fine. i just didn't know to play audio /dev/dsp had to be rw by my user |
| 13:54.53 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:54.57 | liable | someone deleted my favourite log factoid |
| 13:55.04 | dalias | cast, :) |
| 13:55.07 | abrotman | liable: ? |
| 13:55.09 | infinity0 | oh here we go |
| 13:55.10 | streuner | liable: hm? |
| 13:55.18 | infinity0 | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 13:55.19 | liable | the log one.. |
| 13:55.25 | streuner | prolly a smite one... |
| 13:55.29 | liable | that shouldnt be fatal |
| 13:55.33 | jetscreamer | that won't bork xorg |
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| 13:55.37 | liable | no it wasnt a smite |
| 13:55.40 | streuner | liable: try dpkg.vireo.org |
| 13:55.53 | L0cKn | chi ascolta i pantera? (Domanda OT) |
| 13:55.58 | liable | streuner: no, i just whine here randomly, thanks anyway ;) |
| 13:56.01 | L0cKn | sorry |
| 13:56.04 | L0cKn | amsg |
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| 13:56.05 | streuner | sometimes it stores before remove those |
| 13:56.09 | streuner | oh |
| 13:56.11 | jetscreamer | what language is that L0cKn |
| 13:56.14 | infinity0 | there's something about Synaptics Touchpad |
| 13:56.18 | infinity0 | but i think tit's just my laptop mouse |
| 13:56.21 | infinity0 | which i din't configure right or smth |
| 13:56.25 | abrotman | also not fatal |
| 13:56.28 | L0cKn | jetscreamer: sorry, was an amsg :/ |
| 13:56.35 | L0cKn | italian |
| 13:56.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:56.38 | infinity0 | no other EEs |
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| 13:57.07 | liable | look in the mode section |
| 13:57.15 | abrotman | infinity0: can you just paste the whole log at paste.debian.net ? |
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| 13:57.24 | jetscreamer | i've had xorg not work due to incompatibility (somehow) with my vga= setting |
| 13:57.24 | infinity0 | can't c+p from lappy onto pc |
| 13:57.25 | trebor_home | hello. does someone use WinTV Nova-T-Stick DVB-T USB (dvbt usb-stick) with debian 4.0 (r1)? is it supported out of the box? |
| 13:57.40 | jetscreamer | sure you can ... :p |
| 13:57.42 | abrotman | infinity0: external HDD ? |
| 13:57.47 | infinity0 | right kk |
| 13:57.48 | infinity0 | hang on |
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| 13:57.52 | streuner | trebor_home: ever tried groups.google.com? |
| 13:58.01 | abrotman | infinity0: also grab your /etc/X11/xorg.conf while you're doing this |
| 13:58.03 | trebor_home | (http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-Stick suggests this...) |
| 13:58.04 | en1gma | morning all |
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| 13:58.16 | streuner | trebor_home: its called newsnet |
| 13:58.26 | streuner | s/newsnet/usenet/ |
| 13:58.29 | jetscreamer | hauppauge's are widely supported iirc |
| 13:58.34 | trebor_home | streuner: oh, really, i thoght usenet ;) |
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| 13:59.05 | streuner | hm, i thought the same ;-) |
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| 13:59.13 | azeem | what are you talking about |
| 13:59.34 | trebor_home | streuner: which group do you suggest? or do you suggest a "wild" search? |
| 13:59.55 | azeem | I see no request of trebor_home to be redirected to usenet |
| 14:00.08 | liable | oh well |
| 14:00.08 | azeem | maybe it was from yesterday or another chan, that's why I was wondering |
| 14:00.21 | streuner | trebor_home: listen to jetscremer, Haupauge is very well supported, groups.google.com is good for searching |
| 14:00.28 | jetscreamer | trebor_home: its called newsnet...s/newsnet/usenet/...streuner: oh, really, i thoght usenet ;)...hm, i thought the same ;-) |
| 14:00.32 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 14:00.59 | en1gma | whats everyone upto this morning |
| 14:01.19 | streuner | trebor_home: isnt that BT? |
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| 14:01.57 | zamuro | I know there's a enlightment channel, but looks like no one's at home, so i'll dare to ask here... I'm using e16 and there's a couple questions I'd like to ask: 1) I closed icon bar, how do I open a new one; 2) I'd like to run an app on icon bar, but it doesn't show up when I run it... Is there a way to add it to iconbar. |
| 14:02.11 | wols_ | en1gma: preparing ourselves for your arrival |
| 14:02.13 | infinity0 | xorg.conf: http://paste.debian.net/36583 |
| 14:02.14 | trebor_home | i really would appreciate a linux-hardware shop (not a virtual one, a real one). i do not mind paying 10% extra. |
| 14:02.38 | asg | wols_: I thought we were waiting with trepidation for the first of what will be a litany of stupid questions? |
| 14:02.42 | infinity0 | Xorg.0.log: http://paste.debian.net/36584 |
| 14:02.44 | azeem | infinity0: try to remove the "UseFBDev" option |
| 14:02.50 | infinity0 | azeem: right ok |
| 14:02.54 | infinity0 | comment out? |
| 14:02.57 | liable | i was waiting for wols_ to throw more poo |
| 14:02.59 | azeem | but let's read the log first |
| 14:03.02 | infinity0 | kk |
| 14:03.21 | streuner | trebor_home: well, always compare usenet with the hardware you want to buy |
| 14:03.22 | jetscreamer | vga=normal |
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| 14:03.26 | wols_ | e |
| 14:03.34 | azeem | infinity0: is line 2355 really the last line? |
| 14:03.46 | streuner | no entry in usenet for that hardware, thats a really bad sign |
| 14:03.49 | infinity0 | azeem: oh no there's more |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | ? |
| 14:03.55 | infinity0 | azeem: pastebin must've cut it off, hang on |
| 14:03.56 | cast | zamuro: you running etchs version of enlightenment? |
| 14:03.56 | azeem | infinity0: then paste the whole |
| 14:04.11 | zamuro | cast: Lenny's |
| 14:04.11 | streuner | or the hardware is that easy to install and configure nobody needs to write something |
| 14:04.24 | abrotman | X doesn't even know what his nvidia card is |
| 14:04.26 | trebor_home | streuner: i found http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-Stick. |
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| 14:04.42 | infinity0 | azeem: http://paste.debian.net/36585 starts from line 2340 |
| 14:04.50 | cast | shit...never new e16 had a systray |
| 14:05.28 | trebor_home | after all this one is the only one which is available at my local computer store. (list http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices) |
| 14:05.29 | streuner | trebor_home: that should do it, fine. |
| 14:05.31 | cast | zamuro: middle click desktop new iconbox |
| 14:05.42 | zamuro | cast: It's not really a systray... There's more like an icon box |
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| 14:05.51 | zamuro | cast: LOL... got no middle button :S |
| 14:05.54 | streuner | trebor_home: there are a lot of shops worldwide... |
| 14:06.02 | asg | zamuro: then click both the left and right buttons together |
| 14:06.09 | zamuro | asg: Oh... |
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| 14:06.24 | cast | zamuro: no, i mean, theres an icon box...normal e16, but now they've added a systray too [i'm running 16.8.9] |
| 14:06.28 | en1gma | has anyone seen an "online network configurator" like this http://daxfi.sourceforge.net/daxfidemo/ but that has masquerading too? |
| 14:06.28 | abrotman | asg: "There's no place like home" ? |
| 14:06.46 | asg | abrotman: no place like $HOME |
| 14:06.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:07.01 | zamuro | cast: Oh... So there's no way to add such a thing as a system tray? |
| 14:07.28 | streuner | trebor_home: prolly not Draytek USB 510, its a nightmare to configure... |
| 14:07.38 | en1gma | someone should make a website just based on making scripts with an online configurator |
| 14:07.47 | cast | zamuro: i mean to say, i have an iconbox. and a systray. i don't know if systray ability is in your version of e16, but icon box is. i do not know how to fix your 2nd problem |
| 14:07.48 | trebor_home | streuner: you know what it is like - i want it now (for this weekend). my wife an my children are out of the house. time to update the pc/hardware ... |
| 14:07.52 | en1gma | there are so many that could be done it would be sweet |
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| 14:08.01 | azeem | trebor_home: maybe http://www.murrayc.com/blog/permalink/2007/09/07/linux-compatible-wireless-usb-adaptor-slightly-better-in-ubuntu-gutsy/ helps |
| 14:08.14 | en1gma | linux is all about scripts i dont know how that are not more websites that do this |
| 14:08.17 | hark | infinity0: is this a laptop? |
| 14:08.21 | zamuro | cast: OK... Thanks. I'll try to fix it and I'll let you know. |
| 14:08.24 | infinity0 | hark: yeah |
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| 14:08.38 | infinity0 | hark: not from what i'm typing right now, but what i pasted yeah |
| 14:08.40 | en1gma | i remember with quake3 it had online configurators all over the net |
| 14:08.51 | en1gma | i am really surprised that there isnt more for linux |
| 14:08.52 | trebor_home | azeem: thanks |
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| 14:09.11 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 14:09.16 | dazjorz | I just migrated to a new machine for my server |
| 14:09.16 | en1gma | ello |
| 14:09.18 | cast | zamuro: its worth updating to .8.9 imho, among other things you get real transparency [via xorg composite module] and they removed a edgeflip timing limitation which ment you couldn't do more than 2 flips in say, 200ms |
| 14:09.41 | dazjorz | lspci finds a Silicon Integrated chip as an ethernet device, but eth0 doesn't show up in ifconfig (only 'lo') |
| 14:09.44 | cast | zamuro: and i used to be able to crash e16 via ntpdate changing the time, thats stopped happening :) |
| 14:09.46 | dazjorz | any ideas? |
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| 14:09.55 | SoulChild | Hey when trying to "modprobe sndihda-intel" i get "FATAL: MOdule does not exists",.. but i have the module file in my kernel path in "/lib/modules/",... what's wrong there??? |
| 14:10.35 | asg | SoulChild: snd-hda-intel, not sndihda-intel |
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| 14:10.53 | yuki | moin |
| 14:11.04 | liable | moin moin |
| 14:11.07 | SoulChild | asg: i know ,... just typed it wrongly |
| 14:11.08 | gutts[away] | Ceci est un chan sur debian |
| 14:11.20 | liable | engrish please |
| 14:11.22 | azeem | gutts[away]: an english-speaking chan, yes |
| 14:11.38 | infinity0 | azeem: so i should try that FBDev thing? |
| 14:11.42 | liable | SoulChild: try insmod with the full path |
| 14:11.50 | dazjorz | If a device shows up in lspci, the module is loaded, right? |
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| 14:11.51 | wols_ | SoulChild: tried depmod -a? |
| 14:11.52 | liable | SoulChild: also try depmod -ae |
| 14:11.53 | dazjorz | so it's odd no eth0 appears |
| 14:11.54 | azeem | infinity0: well, dunno; I suggest you try that |
| 14:11.57 | infinity0 | k |
| 14:12.02 | azeem | infinity0: also, disable your display manager on bootup |
| 14:12.07 | azeem | infinity0: do you use Gnome or KDE? |
| 14:12.08 | wols_ | dazjorz: no |
| 14:12.13 | infinity0 | GNOME atm it is |
| 14:12.16 | wols_ | dazjorz: ifconfig -a |
| 14:12.19 | azeem | then probably gdm |
| 14:12.25 | azeem | infinity0: /msg dpgk nodm |
| 14:12.28 | azeem | eh dpkg* |
| 14:12.35 | asg | SoulChild: run /sbin/depmod -a and then try the modprobe again |
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| 14:12.48 | streuner | trebor_home: Are you from FFM directly? |
| 14:12.57 | SoulChild | asg: okay ,.. i will |
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| 14:13.05 | infinity0 | azeem: right... hmm... |
| 14:13.13 | trebor_home | streuner: no, from griesheim, near darmstadt near frankfurt |
| 14:13.36 | streuner | trebor_home: sure you get DVB-T well? |
| 14:13.40 | tuxre | hi there. after fresh installing kdm and the kcontrol there is the problem that some important menues in kcontrol are missing. example styles. how can that be? thank you. |
| 14:13.44 | SoulChild | asg: Great,... it works |
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| 14:14.15 | stoned | oh crap |
| 14:14.19 | stoned | I fell asleep on my keyboard |
| 14:14.31 | stoned | have I been saying weird random chars? |
| 14:14.38 | liable | third times a chram |
| 14:14.43 | liable | charm even |
| 14:15.02 | gberardi | It's a bit off-topic, but does anyone have Thunderbird configured to use their own POP3 server using Comcast as their ISP? |
| 14:15.16 | trebor_home | streuner: yes, already working (receiver + tv). |
| 14:15.46 | abrotman | gberardi: does it fail ? |
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| 14:16.01 | infinity0 | azeem: well now X doesn't try to start up on boot |
| 14:16.04 | jetscreamer | yes stoned you've been doing the infinite number of monkeys thing |
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| 14:16.20 | infinity0 | azeem: screw it, i'm gonna go reinstall my system, i'll get back to you |
| 14:16.32 | azeem | infinity0: yeah well |
| 14:16.46 | azeem | infinity0: you'll need to start it with startx or /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 14:16.56 | azeem | infinity0: if it starts up, fine |
| 14:17.06 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 14:17.07 | azeem | if not, you don't need to resort to single-user mode |
| 14:17.16 | infinity0 | yeah |
| 14:17.17 | tuxre | in my kcontrol the whole "Appearance & Themes" Section is missing. In the other menus there are only a few optios available.... |
| 14:17.48 | asg | tuxre: you might consult the #debian-kde folks |
| 14:17.56 | liable | thats like gtk, theres only one appearance.. shitty |
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| 14:18.04 | tuxre | well, thats some info asg. thank you |
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| 14:18.12 | mbroeker | tuxre, there is an kdeartwork package |
| 14:18.53 | en1gma | i have a Q about aptitude. when i select a pkg to remove its telling me it depends on another pkg...how do i remove the one i selected and get it to autoremove the one that depends on it |
| 14:18.57 | jetscreamer | gberardi: try port 587 for outgoing |
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| 14:19.35 | azeem | en1gma: usually, it should just remove the other one as well |
| 14:19.46 | azeem | en1gma: unless you cannot remove the other one because it is essential |
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| 14:21.07 | yuki | Hey there, I need to get cpufreq and speedstep-smi working. But whenever I do modprobe speedstep-smi or speedstep_smi I get this message: FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_smi (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-smi.ko): No such device |
| 14:21.34 | yuki | Any suggestions? |
| 14:21.38 | dazjorz | okay |
| 14:21.50 | dazjorz | wols_: I found out it was eth2, and renamed it to eth0 using `ip` |
| 14:22.01 | AbsintheSyringe2 | yuki, had the same error, recompile the kernel with speed step enabled, that is cpu_freq |
| 14:22.04 | liable | blame udev |
| 14:22.17 | en1gma | ex: im selecting "linux-image-2.6.22-1-486" to remove with the "_" option....a depends screen pops up and has "linux-image-2.6-486" highlighted in red....now i already have built and installed my custom kernel long time ago and its linux-image-2.6.22.6 |
| 14:22.17 | liable | dazjorz: edit your udev rule for net stuff |
| 14:22.19 | AbsintheSyringe2 | actually I had that error on 2.6.21.x |
| 14:22.23 | yuki | Yeah, I have no experience with kernel compiling, this is just a standard kernel I'm using |
| 14:22.26 | wols_ | dazjorz: blame udev |
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| 14:22.33 | dazjorz | however it doesn't really work yet |
| 14:22.47 | dazjorz | liable: how wil I do that? |
| 14:22.54 | dazjorz | when I ifup it, I get |
| 14:22.58 | dazjorz | SIOCADDRT: File exists |
| 14:23.03 | dazjorz | Failed to bring up eth0. |
| 14:23.06 | liable | dazjorz: with an editor. |
| 14:23.10 | dazjorz | When I then ifdown it, it says it's not configured. |
| 14:23.13 | AbsintheSyringe2 | yuki, then try reinstalling cpu_freq, setting to use cpufreqd, then reinstall your kernel, reboot, see what happens |
| 14:23.15 | dazjorz | liable: what file? |
| 14:23.17 | liable | dazjorz: ifdown foo; ifup foo |
| 14:23.19 | azeem | en1gma: so what the issue? |
| 14:23.29 | en1gma | autoremove? |
| 14:23.34 | en1gma | how |
| 14:23.35 | dazjorz | liable: I tried that. Same error every time I do that |
| 14:23.37 | liable | dazjorz: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:23.44 | azeem | en1gma: if it's in red, it'll get removed, no? |
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| 14:23.48 | en1gma | do i just hit "g" and it will select that to |
| 14:23.52 | dazjorz | when ifdowning, it says not configured, when I ifup, it gives a "File exists" error and says failed to bring up. |
| 14:24.01 | azeem | en1gma: read the aptitude manual |
| 14:24.06 | en1gma | oh ok |
| 14:24.10 | en1gma | that solves it all |
| 14:24.12 | asg | dazjorz: ifdown --force <iface> |
| 14:24.15 | liable | dazjorz: you could just delete that file and reload the module if you are using the same debian install with newer hardware |
| 14:24.23 | szachista | hi again |
| 14:24.25 | en1gma | if everyone in here read the manual no one would be in this channel |
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| 14:24.37 | szachista | is it safe now to move from initd to upstart? |
| 14:24.38 | en1gma | we would be in pr0n |
| 14:24.43 | azeem | en1gma: you asked a specific, non FAQ question |
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| 14:24.51 | yuki | AbsintheSyringe: I don't really get what you mean. Sorry, I'm pretty new to this. |
| 14:24.55 | dazjorz | liable: I commented out the existing two lines for eth0 and eth1 |
| 14:25.01 | szachista | will it be officially suported in next debian release? |
| 14:25.01 | abrotman | wols_: you'd be out of a job :) |
| 14:25.03 | azeem | expect that others don't know the answer either and you will to do some research yourself |
| 14:25.05 | dazjorz | Hmmmm |
| 14:25.08 | en1gma | maybe i should just use apt-get remove as its easier |
| 14:25.16 | dazjorz | I ifdown --force'd, and gave no output, but I get the same error when ifuping |
| 14:25.16 | azeem | en1gma: did you even /try/? |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | to read .. not likely ... |
| 14:25.29 | dazjorz | except now I also get "eth0: Media Link On 100mbps full-duplex" |
| 14:25.37 | en1gma | i dont want to make a mistage so im basically just dbl checking |
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| 14:25.42 | dazjorz | I wonder what file already exists |
| 14:25.46 | abrotman | en1gma: if you're not using the kernel .. why does it matter if it's removed ? |
| 14:26.10 | en1gma | i am running the 2.6.22.6 kernel the one that it might remove is the "linux-image-2.6.22-486" will it cause my sys to not reboot |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | en1gma: but you're using the -686 ? |
| 14:26.35 | azeem | en1gma: if you think it will do that, don't remove it |
| 14:26.37 | azeem | d'oh |
| 14:26.42 | jetscreamer | no but if you ever want to boot w/o udev keep that kernel around |
| 14:26.47 | azeem | linux-image-2.6.22-486 is just a meta package |
| 14:26.49 | en1gma | uname -r reports 2.6.22.6 |
| 14:26.59 | en1gma | ok thnx |
| 14:27.04 | en1gma | gonna try to remove |
| 14:27.05 | dazjorz | I tried strace'ing ifup, but it seems to be a child that gives that error |
| 14:27.05 | azeem | abrotman: he built his own |
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| 14:27.20 | abrotman | so -486 isn't even his running kernel ? |
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| 14:27.36 | liable | hehe |
| 14:27.53 | en1gma | nope but i ive seen some stuff in the metapackage that needs to stay installed for other stuff to work with custom kernels |
| 14:27.56 | mbroeker | dazjorz, ifup is a script |
| 14:27.59 | liable | azeem: yes, you missed out on that fun |
| 14:27.59 | en1gma | like the "kbuild" |
| 14:28.15 | azeem | en1gma: so make sure kbuild isn't removed |
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| 14:28.26 | en1gma | well if its a metapackage wont it be? |
| 14:28.30 | abrotman | or install it again after it's removed |
| 14:28.31 | azeem | en1gma: is that so hard? That's why aptitude shows you the list of further packages |
| 14:28.34 | pickcoder | en1gma: isn't it part of the other arch metapackages? |
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| 14:28.51 | en1gma | im not sure thats why im asking about aptitude |
| 14:29.00 | en1gma | kpackage lists it different |
| 14:29.05 | azeem | aptitude shows you the list of packages to be removed |
| 14:29.06 | en1gma | apt-get remove is specific |
| 14:29.11 | en1gma | how does aptitude work |
| 14:29.12 | azeem | you have to actually review it |
| 14:29.16 | azeem | en1gma: read the manual |
| 14:29.18 | en1gma | ok thanks |
| 14:29.21 | dazjorz | hmmm |
| 14:29.30 | dazjorz | pid 5915 write(2, "SIOCADDRT: File exists\n") |
| 14:29.41 | dazjorz | what file would that be :/ |
| 14:29.48 | en1gma | azeem that generic answer that you give to me about "read the manual" i hope that the same answer you give to everyone |
| 14:30.04 | azeem | en1gma: you asked a generic question |
| 14:30.09 | azeem | "how does aptitude work" |
| 14:30.12 | en1gma | cause you should just put some auto reply script on that says "read the manual" for everyone who asks a Q in here |
| 14:30.17 | azeem | that's way out of the question to answer here |
| 14:30.26 | azeem | en1gma: are you going to argue about this? |
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| 14:30.30 | en1gma | no |
| 14:30.41 | cast | en1gma: we often do say rtfm. |
| 14:30.45 | en1gma | im making a suggestion what you should do so you can save typing on your keyboard |
| 14:30.57 | en1gma | lol |
| 14:31.00 | dazjorz | Anybody? |
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| 14:31.10 | jetscreamer | there is no manual |
| 14:31.21 | azeem | dazjorz: how should we know? |
| 14:31.24 | jetscreamer | it would be the pid |
| 14:31.28 | cast | rtfm isn't applicable to all problems though, like when there is no manual....or its not covered in the manual, or the manuals confusing the person |
| 14:31.28 | en1gma | there is prob a script that will let you bind "read the manual" to a key on your keyboard |
| 14:31.29 | dazjorz | pid 5915 gives "SIOCADDRT: File exists" when I ifup eth0, right after that, it says that eth0 couldn't be upped |
| 14:31.53 | dazjorz | azeem: I didn't mean to ask what file it was, but how to solve the problem explained above |
| 14:32.01 | wols_ | dazjorz: ifconfig -a |
| 14:32.07 | dazjorz | wols_: Yeah it's there. |
| 14:32.13 | dazjorz | as eth0, now |
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| 14:32.25 | bullgard4 | Using a 2.6.20generic kernel and a laptop computer, how can I access the SysRq function of the PntScr/SysRq key? The procedure outlined in /usr/src/linux-sources-2.6.20/Documentation/sysrq.txt fails. |
| 14:32.35 | wols_ | dazjorz: what is in your interfaces? |
| 14:32.49 | dazjorz | wols_: sit0, lo and eth0 |
| 14:32.53 | azeem | bullgard4: is sysrq compiled into your kernel? |
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| 14:33.08 | wols_ | dazjorz: exact contents please |
| 14:33.25 | dazjorz | wols_: coming in a minute |
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| 14:33.46 | bullgard4 | azeem: kernel.sysrq = 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 14:34.19 | wols_ | bullgard4: that's not what azeem asked |
| 14:34.48 | azeem | bullgard4: grep SYSRQ /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 14:34.52 | bullgard4 | wols_: Can you answer the question which I have put? |
| 14:35.19 | wols_ | azeem: only if you answer azeem's |
| 14:35.25 | azeem | ok, seems the stock kernel has this |
| 14:35.34 | kb | I have a problem with clamfs package. It FTBFS because libcommoncpp2 uses bits/atomicity.h and bits/atomicity.h is no longer available in GCC 4.2. How can I request recompilation of libcommoncpp2? (already recompiled it on my computer and this solves problem) |
| 14:35.36 | dazjorz | Wtf |
| 14:35.39 | wols_ | bullgard4: rather |
| 14:35.43 | dazjorz | The device is named eth2 again, but I edited the udev rule |
| 14:36.20 | liable | remove the file |
| 14:36.31 | asg | kb: file a bug against the package |
| 14:36.40 | bullgard4 | azeem: CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y |
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| 14:36.44 | azeem | ok |
| 14:37.24 | kb | asg: I did. Is it everything I can do? (bug #441163) |
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| 14:37.51 | en1gma | azeem http://www.wurmonline.com/wiki/index.php/Setting_up_IRC_in_the_client#Binding_a_command_to_a_key ex: bind <key> <command> ex: "bind q ircsay read the manual" |
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| 14:38.04 | en1gma | :) |
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| 14:38.19 | asg | kb: for now, yes. Give the maintainer(s) a chance to work on it. |
| 14:38.26 | wols_ | en1gma: 16:38 -!- Irssi: Unknown bind action: ircsay |
| 14:38.45 | en1gma | crap its on that website |
| 14:38.49 | en1gma | well i tried |
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| 14:39.05 | dazjorz | Hmm I just noticed |
| 14:39.06 | abrotman | en1gma: maybe instead of playing on google you should read the aptitude manual ? |
| 14:39.11 | dazjorz | I can ping the machine, but the machine can't ping anybody outside |
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| 14:39.23 | dazjorz | WTF |
| 14:39.28 | dazjorz | It can ping 192.168.1.12, but not 192.168.1.254 |
| 14:39.49 | bullgard4 | azeem: Pressing the SysRq key will bring up a gnome-screenshot dialog only. |
| 14:39.51 | en1gma | abortman are you sure thats the only manual you want me to read? how about iptables, the linux bible, tcp/ip and etc... |
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| 14:40.01 | abrotman | that'd be awesome |
| 14:40.05 | vikku | what are the fine point of make and makefile? |
| 14:40.08 | kb | asg: binary-only upload should fix this? (I'm just curious) |
| 14:40.21 | en1gma | yea but it wont happen...not just with but with anyone in here |
| 14:40.37 | asg | kb: remember, it has to build and be uploaded to all supported arches before it arrives in unstable. |
| 14:40.38 | abrotman | en1gma: so you're saying that no one in here has read that ? |
| 14:40.47 | azeem | asg: eh, testing |
| 14:40.51 | en1gma | note the "and etc..." |
| 14:41.11 | wols_ | dazjorz: routing problem? |
| 14:41.22 | azeem | en1gma: stop harassing me |
| 14:41.29 | kb | asg: thanks! bye :) |
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| 14:41.43 | en1gma | read the harrasing laws manual |
| 14:41.46 | en1gma | :) |
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| 14:42.07 | vikku | what are the fine point of make and makefile? , any resource to refer? |
| 14:42.16 | azeem | vikku: fine point? |
| 14:42.31 | dondelelcaro | vikku: the make manual has the best explanation of its syntax. info make; for it. |
| 14:42.34 | asg | vikku: there is a decent O'Reilly book on the subject. Of course, there's always the manual. |
| 14:42.50 | dazjorz | wols_: Yeah could be, but where |
| 14:42.54 | dazjorz | route -n gives: |
| 14:43.01 | vikku | azeem: i mean why would one use them and what are all one should know b4 using them |
| 14:43.04 | dazjorz | 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:43.12 | dazjorz | 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:43.16 | dazjorz | gateway is 192.168.1.254 |
| 14:43.20 | azeem | vikku: they are useful when compiling things |
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| 14:43.30 | dondelelcaro | vikku: make is used when you need to turn one set of files into another set of files by applying a set of rules |
| 14:43.32 | vikku | dondelelcaro: hmmmmm ok |
| 14:43.45 | wols_ | dazjorz: I asked you something LOONG time ago |
| 14:44.01 | dazjorz | wols_: Oh ifconfig, ok, lemme paste that |
| 14:44.08 | wols_ | dazjorz: no, not that |
| 14:44.12 | dazjorz | ? |
| 14:44.16 | dazjorz | ifconfig -a? |
| 14:44.36 | liable | bzzzz |
| 14:44.38 | vikku | in my workplace i install many .deb dpkgs and often the case is that a required file is not there, and making a link to the older version helps |
| 14:44.50 | liable | like to phone a friend? |
| 14:45.01 | vikku | dondelelcaro: but i need to have grip of all these as to why they happen |
| 14:45.22 | dondelelcaro | vikku: well, you shouldn't need to link anything like that. |
| 14:45.25 | azeem | vikku: making links is almost always the wrong approach |
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| 14:45.42 | dazjorz | wols_: what is it that you asked then? |
| 14:45.43 | vikku | why and what is the right apprch |
| 14:46.01 | azeem | installing the package shipping the missing file is |
| 14:46.04 | wols_ | dazjorz: what is in your interfaces file? |
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| 14:46.21 | dazjorz | wols_: Ok, pastebinning |
| 14:46.38 | dazjorz | too bad the pastebin I always use is on the server that's off line now. |
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| 14:47.30 | vikku | azeem: Any good refernces except man pages |
| 14:47.50 | dazjorz | wols_: http://pastebin.com/m2f4a8f9 |
| 14:48.05 | dazjorz | oh wait |
| 14:48.08 | azeem | vikku: references to what? How to install package? |
| 14:48.11 | dazjorz | I'll remove the up ipv6 line and see what it does |
| 14:48.28 | LordWolF | yo how can i start debian using only the terminal when booting and fix my resolution screen im unable to see the gui? |
| 14:48.41 | azeem | vikku: you haven't really said what you are trying to do, so it's kinda hard giving you good advise |
| 14:48.47 | jetscreamer | chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 14:48.49 | dazjorz | wols_: without the up line, same thing, but no error while doing ifup |
| 14:48.58 | jetscreamer | if anybody spams that stupid factoid ..... |
| 14:49.18 | gfather | hello guys |
| 14:49.28 | gfather | im trying to login as root |
| 14:49.33 | azeem | jetscreamer: you didn't even address LordWolF to indicate you were answering him |
| 14:49.34 | jetscreamer | LordWolF: you can also ctrl alt f2 and /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 14:49.37 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 14:49.44 | jetscreamer | LordWolF: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 14:49.45 | Ronin | gfather: you shouldnt do that in x |
| 14:49.46 | wols_ | !tell LordWolF about drxx |
| 14:50.01 | wols_ | !tell LordWolF about nodm |
| 14:50.02 | gfather | but its gives me the system admin is not allowd to login from this screen |
| 14:50.03 | gfather | ??? |
| 14:50.06 | wols_ | jetscreamer: IF he uses gdm |
| 14:50.09 | jetscreamer | forget nodm |
| 14:50.16 | wols_ | dazjorz: what is the exact error message? |
| 14:50.17 | jetscreamer | wols_: what are the odds he doesn't :) |
| 14:50.33 | Ronin | gfather: like i said dont do that as root on x, log on as your user and then open a term, su to root and do what you need to do |
| 14:50.35 | jetscreamer | and i didn't type !forget |
| 14:50.39 | dazjorz | wols_: After I commented out the up line, ifup gave no output, but pings still aren't answered |
| 14:51.00 | LordWolF | wols_ thanks man let me try that, onething do what's the key fN? |
| 14:51.01 | dazjorz | 155 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 113996ms |
| 14:51.04 | vikku | azeem: well ..... just need to know a-z of package management including the make utilities |
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| 14:51.28 | azeem | vikku: make has nothing to do with package management |
| 14:51.31 | liable | dazjorz: just use ifconfig untill you get it working |
| 14:51.40 | dazjorz | liable: ifconfig what? |
| 14:51.41 | jetscreamer | F1-F6 |
| 14:51.43 | jetscreamer | any |
| 14:51.48 | dazjorz | hmm odd |
| 14:51.48 | dazjorz | 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 ath0 |
| 14:51.56 | dazjorz | I don't have a 169.254.0.0 line in route -n on my server |
| 14:52.00 | dazjorz | I do have one on my laptop |
| 14:52.04 | jetscreamer | ath |
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| 14:52.06 | jetscreamer | atheros |
| 14:52.08 | liable | thats a wireless dev |
| 14:52.09 | jetscreamer | wireless |
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| 14:52.14 | dazjorz | Yeah I know, but that's on another machine |
| 14:52.20 | dazjorz | I'm talking about the IP and gateway |
| 14:52.31 | vikku | azeem: hmmmmmm ........ the pls give me a guide of a-z of make and related stuff |
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| 14:52.44 | jetscreamer | !make |
| 14:52.45 | dpkg | make: *** No rule to make target. Stop. See also Makefile |
| 14:52.46 | abrotman | 169.255 can mean that dhcp filaed |
| 14:52.47 | gfather | guy s just small help pleas |
| 14:52.49 | gfather | ?? |
| 14:52.50 | k^^a | hello |
| 14:53.14 | asg | vikku: /msg dpkg mg |
| 14:53.28 | liable | gfather: are you using debian? |
| 14:53.48 | Ronin | gfather: why do you need to log onto X as root? |
| 14:53.52 | jetscreamer | gfather: which screen ... x/gui? |
| 14:54.04 | jetscreamer | it's controlled by gdm though |
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| 14:54.15 | gfather | yes , well im not good in linux |
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| 14:54.28 | gfather | so i have to log into x with root so i can edit stuff |
| 14:54.34 | Ronin | gfather: as ive said you shouldn't do that and 90+% the tiem you dont need to |
| 14:54.38 | Ronin | gfather: like i said dont do that as root on x, log on as your user and then open a term, su to root and do what you need to do |
| 14:54.40 | jetscreamer | logon as user, hit the login manager properties in system menu gfather |
| 14:54.50 | vikku | asg : whats that asg |
| 14:54.53 | azeem | vikku: "the pls"? |
| 14:55.03 | jetscreamer | oh plz |
| 14:55.11 | gfather | ok , i loged in as user |
| 14:55.12 | vikku | azeem : typos that was "then pls" |
| 14:55.16 | azeem | ah |
| 14:55.17 | k^^a | I have problem with ETCH installation onto USBstick. Why debian-installer not found my PenDrive /usb-storage is loaded/ ? |
| 14:55.29 | asg | vikku: our bot will give you a link to the new maintainer's guide (on packaging, etc) |
| 14:55.31 | azeem | vikku: 16:41 < dondelelcaro> vikku: the make manual has the best explanation of its syntax. info make; for it. |
| 14:55.55 | vikku | hmmm |
| 14:56.13 | infinity0 | hey people... what's the command to reconfigure xorg again? |
| 14:56.23 | asg | infinity0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:56.24 | wols_ | !tell infinity0 about drxx |
| 14:56.28 | jetscreamer | !tell infinity0 -ab...... |
| 14:56.28 | infinity0 | ahh thanks |
| 14:56.29 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 14:57.30 | jetscreamer | how about a default alias in the .bashrc of skel for drxx |
| 14:58.50 | infinity0 | oh btw how do i find out the mac addresses of my network devices? |
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| 14:59.32 | abrotman | ifconfig -a is one way |
| 14:59.55 | gfather | guys , i loged in as user , what should i do now to be root |
| 15:00.05 | azeem | gfather: use sudo |
| 15:00.06 | azeem | !sudo |
| 15:00.07 | dpkg | hmm... sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (<visudo>) |
| 15:00.28 | gfather | sudo ? |
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| 15:00.46 | azeem | gfather: sudo. |
| 15:00.47 | gfather | is it installed direclty , or should i download it |
| 15:00.52 | azeem | check |
| 15:01.29 | jetscreamer | you have to install it |
| 15:01.52 | jetscreamer | you can also just do su |
| 15:01.58 | infinity0 | uh... how do i cancel the config? |
| 15:02.03 | infinity0 | of xserver-xorg, that is |
| 15:02.03 | freespace | sudo -s is nifty too |
| 15:02.03 | jetscreamer | you don't |
| 15:02.12 | infinity0 | :/ |
| 15:02.12 | jetscreamer | it won't ctrl-c |
| 15:02.20 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 15:02.40 | freespace | open another vt and kill it |
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| 15:02.46 | freespace | if you are desperate |
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| 15:02.58 | gberardi | Sorry I was away. As for figuring out Comcast, I learned that there is an undocumented configuration using a completely different port. 25 or 587 didn't work, but 465 with SSL works. I learned about it here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Creating_accounts_in_Thunderbird_for_popular_email_providers |
| 15:02.59 | infinity0 | i just pressed the power button :/ |
| 15:03.14 | infinity0 | freespace: but what does that mean? open another vt? |
| 15:03.28 | freespace | open/switch to another virtual terminal |
| 15:03.31 | azeem | infinity0: hit alt+f3 |
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| 15:03.34 | jetscreamer | !runlevels |
| 15:03.34 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
| 15:03.35 | wols_ | infinity0: ctrl+alt+f2 |
| 15:03.36 | infinity0 | right |
| 15:03.36 | freespace | using ctrl+alt+F1-12 |
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| 15:04.51 | jetscreamer | sometimes only the left hand ctrl-alt work for that for me |
| 15:05.08 | jetscreamer | i have yet to figure that one out |
| 15:05.37 | jetscreamer | seems to be in console |
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| 15:05.44 | jetscreamer | that the right one doesn't work |
| 15:05.54 | jetscreamer | oneS |
| 15:06.19 | gridl0ck | is there a supported driver for nvidia and the updated kernel 2.6.22-2-686 ? |
| 15:06.41 | jetscreamer | yes..... but ask if there's a debian way |
| 15:06.51 | jetscreamer | .22 should just work |
| 15:07.13 | wols_ | gridl0ck: there is module-assistant and nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 15:07.18 | gridl0ck | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.21 | gfather | :( im lost here |
| 15:07.45 | azeem | gfather: lost where? |
| 15:07.56 | wols_ | azeem: here :) |
| 15:07.58 | gfather | in what to do , i just wanna use x as root |
| 15:08.00 | gridl0ck | i'm compiling a new kernel - 2.6.22.6 |
| 15:08.02 | jetscreamer | he's not in sudoers |
| 15:08.16 | jetscreamer | gfather: system menu, login manager... up top in the menu |
| 15:08.20 | gridl0ck | thanks wols_ will look at module-assistant |
| 15:08.21 | azeem | gfather: you shouldn't |
| 15:08.29 | jetscreamer | but what azeem said |
| 15:08.38 | wols_ | gfather: log in as user. then run "se" and enter your root password. voila: you're root |
| 15:08.39 | azeem | gfather: there's absolutely no reason why you should run X as root |
| 15:08.45 | base3_ | who should i submit a patch to a manpage to?? |
| 15:08.45 | jetscreamer | su not se |
| 15:08.50 | liable | but since when did debian stop users logging in as root in x? |
| 15:08.53 | wols_ | oops. right |
| 15:09.02 | jetscreamer | liable: it's a default gdm configuration setting |
| 15:09.11 | jetscreamer | it changed a while ago |
| 15:09.15 | wols_ | !tell base3_ about reportbug |
| 15:09.18 | jetscreamer | the default |
| 15:09.20 | azeem | base3_: file a wishlist bug against the package with the patch |
| 15:09.23 | wols_ | liable: never |
| 15:09.40 | liable | right, so let him change his default gdm thing and go on his merry way |
| 15:09.40 | jetscreamer | no it' used to be enabled by default a year ago or so |
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| 15:09.49 | wols_ | ah, gdm yes |
| 15:10.16 | wols_ | gfather: log in as normal user, then run "gksu". now you can run X probgras as root when needed |
| 15:10.31 | liable | !typosmite wols_ |
| 15:10.56 | liable | what the fuck are probgras? |
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| 15:11.18 | gfather | <wols_> it gives me to run a specific program |
| 15:11.36 | azeem | gfather: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:11.38 | gfather | but what i need is to edit copy files , and other stuf as root |
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| 15:11.54 | jetscreamer | set up sudoers properly and you can just sudo <program> |
| 15:11.55 | dbmoodb | wol go get owned |
| 15:11.56 | gfather | and to use termenl commands is hard for me right now |
| 15:12.12 | liable | gfather: use gksu |
| 15:12.29 | wols_ | gfather: then you can run a editor as root (like gedit). or you can run a root terminal too |
| 15:12.38 | wols_ | and you can edit and run any progam you want. as root |
| 15:12.39 | gfather | yah it worked |
| 15:13.01 | gfather | after did gksu , i put x in it |
| 15:13.14 | liable | ohnos |
| 15:13.19 | liable | x what? |
| 15:13.20 | gfather | nah still |
| 15:13.22 | gfather | :( |
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| 15:13.43 | wols_ | gfather: did I tell you to run "x" (whatever that is?) |
| 15:13.47 | liable | doesnt gnome have like a nautilus as root option? |
| 15:14.00 | wols_ | you can run a root shell from gnome or you can run gedit via gksu both |
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| 15:14.20 | dazjorz | Okay umm |
| 15:14.22 | pig0 | morning |
| 15:14.24 | dazjorz | I put in another network card |
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| 15:14.30 | dazjorz | I'm having the same problems. |
| 15:14.40 | gfather | , cant i just login as root |
| 15:14.40 | dazjorz | I can ping 192.168.1.12 but not 192.168.1.254. I can ping 192.168.1.254 from laptop. |
| 15:14.41 | gfather | :( |
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| 15:15.00 | wols_ | gfather: no |
| 15:15.03 | gfather | i dont care about secutrity |
| 15:15.11 | wols_ | dazjorz: can you ping google? |
| 15:15.31 | dazjorz | wols_: No, can't even ping my gateway |
| 15:15.36 | jetscreamer | gfather: up top, on the taskbar... it says system menu somewhere.... look for login manager |
| 15:15.38 | liable | gfather: well, your lucky, because we care about your security :) |
| 15:15.45 | dazjorz | wols_: Can't seem to ping anything but 192.168.1.12 AFAIK |
| 15:15.48 | azeem | except for jetscreamer |
| 15:16.00 | wols_ | dazjorz: 192.168.1.12 being the network card itself? |
| 15:16.08 | jetscreamer | i gave up |
| 15:16.09 | dazjorz | wols_: No, the network card has 192.168.1.10 |
| 15:16.14 | wols_ | azeem: that's normal |
| 15:16.16 | dazjorz | which I can ping from 192.168.1.12, too |
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| 15:16.21 | liable | i am not adverse to him logging in as root in x either. its his box |
| 15:16.34 | wols_ | dazjorz: tell us your LAN setup. what is connected to what? |
| 15:16.37 | jetscreamer | i personally prefer not to login as root |
| 15:16.55 | jetscreamer | but i have sudo setup so i don't have to put a pw |
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| 15:17.07 | gfather | i found it :) , i logged as root |
| 15:17.12 | dazjorz | wols_: 192.168.1.10 is connected to a switch which is directly connected to the router, 192.168.1.254, which is also connected to the wireless interface 192.168.1.250, to which the laptop 192.168.1.12 is connected wirelessly |
| 15:17.21 | dazjorz | wols_: I can ping 192.168.1.250 too. |
| 15:17.22 | jetscreamer | gfather: try not to do that though, it's bad form |
| 15:17.24 | Ronin | gfather: thats too bad |
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| 15:17.34 | liable | gfather: have a look in your menu's, i recall many moons ago seeing options to open gedit or nautilus or whatever as root so you can edit stuff easily |
| 15:17.42 | dazjorz | wols_: So these packages pass through 192.168.1.254, but I fail to ping it. |
| 15:18.00 | wols_ | databuddy: routers rarely answer to pings. makes people think the router is more "secure" |
| 15:18.12 | jetscreamer | databuddy eh |
| 15:18.31 | jetscreamer | my buddy... my buddy.... i take him everywhere that iiii go |
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| 15:18.44 | jetscreamer | he meant you i think, dazjorz |
| 15:18.44 | liable | throw poo! |
| 15:18.51 | gfather | in login windows , thier is an option to allow admin to login |
| 15:18.51 | dazjorz | wols_: it's dazjorz ;) but I can ping the gateway from the laptop. |
| 15:18.52 | gfather | :) |
| 15:19.00 | dazjorz | I just enabled DHCP and I got an address 192.168.1.36 from 192.168.1.254. |
| 15:19.06 | dazjorz | I can ping google.nl |
| 15:19.20 | Ronin | gfather: this isnt windows, thank goodness, you dont need to log on as admin/root directly |
| 15:19.28 | jetscreamer | !purge dazjorz's ping |
| 15:19.31 | wols_ | maybe your router doesn't like IP addys it hasn't dealt out via dhcp |
| 15:19.32 | jetscreamer | dang |
| 15:19.40 | gfather | well im still learning m8 |
| 15:19.54 | gfather | so its hard for me a litel if i login as user |
| 15:20.06 | dazjorz | wols_: When I reenable static, and set address to .10, netmask to 255.255.255.0 and gateway to .254, nothing works. |
| 15:20.09 | liable | obviously you *arent* learning |
| 15:20.12 | dazjorz | except for the older things that already worked. |
| 15:20.16 | Ronin | gfather: not really, its best you learn a correct way dont you think? |
| 15:20.19 | pig0 | any tips for first time usage ? |
| 15:20.26 | liable | !reference |
| 15:20.26 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 15:20.31 | Ronin | pig0: have fun and read read read :) |
| 15:20.43 | jetscreamer | gfather: note that when it's working properly/setup, no need to log on as root.... g'luck have fun |
| 15:20.55 | jetscreamer | well as a rule that's true |
| 15:21.07 | dazjorz | So any ideas why static wouldn't work and dhcp would? |
| 15:21.20 | jetscreamer | you did it worng |
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| 15:21.46 | jetscreamer | you did say 'any' |
| 15:21.47 | wols_ | dazjorz: cause your router doesn't like random IPs on its network |
| 15:21.48 | jetscreamer | ") |
| 15:21.52 | wols_ | DHCP assigned ones are fine tho |
| 15:21.57 | liable | i just had an urge to buy a leg of ham |
| 15:22.04 | jetscreamer | a what? |
| 15:22.05 | liable | lucky the shops are shut |
| 15:22.07 | pig0 | i'm arch linux user. writing a project about *nix perfomance distrs. |
| 15:22.15 | jetscreamer | how would you do that even if they were open |
| 15:22.23 | jetscreamer | leg of lamb maybe |
| 15:22.25 | dazjorz | wols_: This worked for more than a year, and nothing changed except the server is now a different machine. |
| 15:22.26 | dazjorz | :/ |
| 15:22.37 | liable | jetscreamer: you dont get ham on the bone over there? |
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| 15:22.51 | jetscreamer | yeah but it's not called leg of ham |
| 15:22.57 | wols_ | dazjorz: that means you have a different MAC now |
| 15:23.17 | liable | what, its a thigh of pig? |
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| 15:23.58 | jetscreamer | i haven't worked in the bbq restaraunt in years... do i really have to go look it up for you? :) |
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| 15:24.07 | jetscreamer | restraunt |
| 15:24.08 | liable | yes! |
| 15:24.15 | dazjorz | wols_: No, same network card |
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| 15:24.52 | liable | jetscreamer: not one you buy in a restaurant, but a cold chunk of ham on the bone |
| 15:25.03 | jetscreamer | liable: http://www.mealsforyou.com/cgi-bin/customize?meatcutspork.html |
| 15:25.08 | jetscreamer | yeah we had to cook it |
| 15:25.08 | liable | we call it a leg |
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| 15:25.33 | liable | nononono |
| 15:25.43 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 15:25.58 | jetscreamer | Pork Leg (Fresh Ham) WholePork leg (fresh ham) whole is a bone-in hind leg, usually covered with skin and fat about halfway up the leg. It is usually prepared by roasting. |
| 15:26.02 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 15:26.21 | liable | well, yeah, you can make it yourself |
| 15:26.31 | jetscreamer | i was wurnong... wrunt... wurng..... |
| 15:26.38 | jetscreamer | mistaken |
| 15:26.40 | gonzaloaf | hi, is there a way to upload files to a ftp server via web? |
| 15:26.41 | liable | but cant you buy a whole one in the supermarket? |
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| 15:26.57 | jetscreamer | liable: or a butcher shop |
| 15:27.10 | jetscreamer | i just never heard of it before |
| 15:27.14 | jetscreamer | gah i suck |
| 15:27.34 | liable | hah |
| 15:28.12 | cast | that reminds me, /me goes to look at that video he downloaded |
| 15:28.15 | liable | add some cloves and bake for 10 hours |
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| 15:29.16 | jetscreamer | no not conflageration or whatever... flagellation... whipping. |
| 15:29.23 | jetscreamer | not fire |
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| 15:29.47 | jetscreamer | pour salt after |
| 15:29.47 | liable | yes, but that scores the skin ready for spices and then roasting |
| 15:29.51 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 15:29.52 | xingu | dazjorz: so just to get this topology straight, you have <-802.11->server<->802.3<-> and <-802.11->router<->802.3<-> ? |
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| 15:30.15 | xingu | dazjorz: and you're trying to use the same subnet on 802.11 as well as the 802.3 domains? |
| 15:30.25 | dbmoodb | !lol |
| 15:30.25 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 15:30.37 | namit | i have a shell script that i want to start up every time i start up computer how do i do this? |
| 15:30.51 | liable | !rclocal |
| 15:30.51 | dpkg | methinks rclocal is <see> rc.local |
| 15:31.08 | jetscreamer | alias lol='echo hahahahaha' |
| 15:31.11 | liable | why did the bot not do the right thing |
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| 15:31.20 | jetscreamer | it did what it was told |
| 15:31.34 | abrotman | dpkg: no rclocal is <reply> see rc.local |
| 15:31.34 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 15:31.44 | liable | doesn't <see> redirect ? |
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| 15:31.49 | abrotman | !rclocal |
| 15:31.50 | dpkg | rc.local is probably /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. if you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). as of 2.86.ds1-1, initscript has an rc.local file for compatibility with inferior operating s |
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| 15:31.54 | abrotman | better ? |
| 15:32.01 | liable | yes |
| 15:32.11 | jetscreamer | !better |
| 15:32.11 | dpkg | from memory, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 15:32.13 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 15:33.05 | namit | !init.d |
| 15:33.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, init.d is ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local> |
| 15:33.15 | wols_ | !win pig0 |
| 15:33.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, pig0! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 15:33.21 | pig0 | omg, it's loading about 2 minutes |
| 15:33.28 | pig0 | o_O |
| 15:33.37 | abrotman | i hate it when that happens |
| 15:33.54 | pig0 | gnome 2.14? o_O |
| 15:34.08 | liable | is that good? |
| 15:34.22 | liable | why is debian so old? lolz |
| 15:35.06 | liable | damn my dyslexia, i meant debina |
| 15:35.11 | jetscreamer | !stable |
| 15:35.11 | dpkg | from memory, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0), or ask me about releases. |
| 15:35.21 | jetscreamer | !testing |
| 15:35.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 15:35.31 | abrotman | come on .. just a few more :) |
| 15:35.39 | jetscreamer | figure out why i spammed those, pig0 :) |
| 15:35.46 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 15:35.53 | jetscreamer | !abrotman |
| 15:35.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?", or known for his often misinterpreted sense of humour |
| 15:36.05 | liable | !abrotmoo |
| 15:36.05 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 15:36.07 | abrotman | he didn't say gnome2.14 was bad |
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| 15:37.17 | jetscreamer | !apt-get moo |
| 15:37.18 | dpkg | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
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| 15:38.42 | riot | how can i reconfigure what devices get bound to which ethX device? |
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| 15:38.54 | liable | udev rules |
| 15:39.29 | riot | um. more serious problem: lilo is malconfigured - somehow it boots 2.6.11 instead of 2.6.21 |
| 15:39.55 | azeem | edit /etc/lilo.conf and rerun lilo |
| 15:40.10 | pig0 | grub <3 |
| 15:40.12 | xingu | riot: ethtool -i ethX if you're lucky. |
| 15:40.15 | riot | azeem: which doesn't help if the symlinks are b0rked :( yet they don't seem to be |
| 15:40.22 | azeem | which symlinks? |
| 15:40.28 | riot | xingu: i'm unlucky - no ethtool ;/ |
| 15:40.36 | riot | azeem: those pointing to various vmlinuz et al |
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| 15:40.41 | infinity0 | ok, so reinstalled my system, back to old problem, then i apt-get install nvidia-xconfig and ran it, now my error log is showing "no nvidia module" |
| 15:40.49 | infinity0 | and so i tried to m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 15:40.53 | dazjorz | xingu: 802.11 802.3? I don't understand |
| 15:40.54 | infinity0 | and i'm missing nvidia-kernel-source |
| 15:40.58 | riot | there is exactly NO symlink pointing to 2.6.11 ... wonder where it gets that from |
| 15:41.01 | infinity0 | should i grab that off the debian website? |
| 15:41.24 | azeem | infinity0: no |
| 15:41.29 | liable | riot: from your lilo.conf, which is then stored in mbr |
| 15:41.34 | azeem | infinity0: didn't I tell you already today? |
| 15:41.37 | xingu | dazjorz: ok; lets work this through slowly; you have a router that has wired as well as wireless interfaces |
| 15:41.41 | liable | riot: so do as azeem mentioned |
| 15:41.41 | azeem | don't "grab" .debs, install them with apt-get |
| 15:41.42 | infinity0 | azeem: there's no other way to get it! for some reason it's not on the disks i ordered :| proabbly cos it's non-free |
| 15:41.44 | riot | liable: yes, yes.. |
| 15:41.49 | xingu | dazjorz: do you also have a host which also has wired and wireless interfaces? |
| 15:41.51 | infinity0 | azeem: that's what i'm doing |
| 15:41.55 | riot | liloconfig now mentioned the new kernel, hope it works :) |
| 15:42.04 | azeem | infinity0: then at least get the ones which match your system |
| 15:42.06 | infinity0 | azeem: i'm storing them then turning them into packages then apt-getting them |
| 15:42.17 | infinity0 | azeem: yeah i'm getting the etch ones this time |
| 15:42.20 | riot | azeem: does liloconfig interpret the symlinks and not lilo itself? That would explain it. |
| 15:42.20 | xingu | infinity0: what does "uname -r" report? |
| 15:42.22 | dazjorz | xingu: A router that is connected to a wireless router |
| 15:42.27 | b_jonas | I think I'll start debian installation now |
| 15:42.32 | infinity0 | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
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| 15:42.36 | azeem | riot: I don't know about liloconfig |
| 15:42.37 | infinity0 | xingu |
| 15:42.37 | wols_ | azeem: just for kicks: how do you propose to get a 8600 gefore working under etch with the nvidia proprietary drivers? |
| 15:42.43 | dazjorz | xingu: I have a wired router, connected to a wireless router, three PC's connected to the wired router and one laptop wirelessly connected to the wireless router |
| 15:42.50 | azeem | wols_: I didn't say I would |
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| 15:43.03 | azeem | I suggest he should try nv or upgrade to testing |
| 15:43.05 | riot | azeem: ok, lets assume i meant lilo ;) |
| 15:43.07 | wols_ | azeem: but that's his problem |
| 15:43.17 | azeem | riot: I don't know much about lilo either |
| 15:43.22 | xingu | dazjorz: and the pc with issues is connected how? |
| 15:43.30 | infinity0 | i have no bloody internet, when i get internet in two weeks i will remove the extra line from my sources.list |
| 15:43.31 | azeem | wols_: abrotman mentioned it might be supported |
| 15:43.36 | infinity0 | but for now i need my system working >< |
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| 15:43.44 | riot | oh, well. Udev started :D |
| 15:43.49 | azeem | infinity0: so use nv or vesa? |
| 15:43.51 | wols_ | azeem: in etch? abrotman is a fool :P |
| 15:43.52 | abrotman | i asked ... |
| 15:43.59 | azeem | ah :) |
| 15:43.59 | abrotman | wols_: the fool is the person that buys nvidia hardware! |
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| 15:44.01 | infinity0 | azeem: i'm using nv, i think vesa was why it was screwing up |
| 15:44.03 | wols_ | azeem: for 8600 you need nvidia 100.x drivers |
| 15:44.08 | azeem | infinity0: wo what's the problem? |
| 15:44.11 | azeem | infinity0: does x work? |
| 15:44.11 | dazjorz | xingu: wired to the wired router (with a switch in between) |
| 15:44.22 | azeem | wols_: you just mentioned that |
| 15:44.26 | abrotman | does the vesa driver still not work for him ? |
| 15:44.33 | infinity0 | azeem: no, but at least the screen doesn't switch off like it did with vesa |
| 15:44.39 | infinity0 | the error message is "nvidia module doesn't exist" |
| 15:44.44 | infinity0 | so i need to m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 15:44.48 | azeem | infinity0: stop |
| 15:44.54 | infinity0 | when i do that, it bitches that "can't find nvidia-kernel-source" |
| 15:44.56 | azeem | infinity0: what does "grep Driver /etc/xorg.conf" say? |
| 15:45.02 | xingu | infinity0: is there any reason in particular that http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-modules-amd64/nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64_1.0.8776+6_amd64.deb is no good for you? |
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| 15:45.13 | abrotman | azeem: wrong file |
| 15:45.19 | azeem | infinity0: /etc/X11/xorg.conf, eevn |
| 15:45.21 | azeem | even* |
| 15:45.21 | infinity0 | azeem: got the right file |
| 15:45.23 | dvs | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:45.24 | wols_ | xingu: 8600 chip |
| 15:45.26 | infinity0 | azeem: it says: |
| 15:45.31 | azeem | infinity0: last line |
| 15:45.36 | infinity0 | Driver "nvidia" |
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| 15:45.42 | azeem | infinity0: that isn't nv |
| 15:45.47 | azeem | 17:42 < infinity0> azeem: i'm using nv, i think vesa was why it was screwing up |
| 15:45.51 | infinity0 | good point |
| 15:45.58 | azeem | infinity0: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 15:46.01 | infinity0 | i ran nvidia-xconfig |
| 15:46.02 | azeem | select the nv driver |
| 15:46.09 | abrotman | does nv in etch support 8xxx ? |
| 15:46.15 | azeem | infinity0: why do you do such things and whine afterwards? |
| 15:46.23 | azeem | abrotman: I was just about to ask wols_ |
| 15:46.31 | SF7 | Can someone send me a link for how to mount a thumb drive? |
| 15:46.34 | infinity0 | eh? i'm not whining... i'm asking why it doesn't work... and what's wrong with running nvidia-xconfig? |
| 15:46.45 | riot | aah, still no eth0 :( |
| 15:46.46 | xingu | dazjorz: with the (wired) pc that is broken in the statically addressed case - has its wired interface hardware changed ~recently? |
| 15:47.01 | wols_ | infinity0: etch does not support your card with nvidia drivers |
| 15:47.08 | azeem | wols_: we got that |
| 15:47.17 | azeem | we're asking about x.org nv driver now |
| 15:47.20 | jetscreamer | nv doesn't... did you just say nvidia doesn't? |
| 15:47.21 | wols_ | azeem: just answering the question he just posed |
| 15:47.33 | azeem | wols_: ok |
| 15:47.33 | jetscreamer | oh you mean debian nvidia |
| 15:47.54 | dazjorz | xingu: Umm |
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| 15:48.13 | jetscreamer | ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/nv.4.html |
| 15:48.23 | azeem | jetscreamer: can you summarize? |
| 15:48.25 | dazjorz | xingu: It's a completely different machine, except the (contents of) the hard drives are the same, and the network card is the same |
| 15:48.26 | jetscreamer | applies to all 7.x iirc |
| 15:48.33 | jetscreamer | i did... no it doesn't. |
| 15:48.36 | abrotman | azeem: no it doesn't |
| 15:48.37 | azeem | ok |
| 15:48.39 | dazjorz | xingu: The motherboard has a builtin wireless interface which is now eth1, too, and it has the same problems |
| 15:48.50 | riot | aah, just reloading some modules seems to help kick udev in its wide ass |
| 15:49.08 | jetscreamer | he could get the nvidia-installer to work |
| 15:49.10 | xingu | wols_: so basically he needs to do a simple-backport using the sid packages? |
| 15:49.22 | jetscreamer | or that |
| 15:49.26 | azeem | he just reinstalled and you want to b0rk his system again |
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| 15:49.59 | jetscreamer | only one problem: it doesn't bork systems. xorg borks stuff when it upgrades. |
| 15:50.03 | wols_ | xingu: that's one possibility, yes |
| 15:50.07 | jetscreamer | borks nvidia rather |
| 15:50.08 | xingu | dazjorz: ok; I'd suggest you stick to troubleshooting against one interface and down/ unplumb the other |
| 15:50.22 | azeem | jetscreamer: same effect |
| 15:50.42 | jetscreamer | but the blame lies elsewhere |
| 15:50.45 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 15:50.49 | jetscreamer | i didn't tell him how |
| 15:50.54 | azeem | infinity0: how about you use the vesa driver |
| 15:50.57 | jetscreamer | :) so no larting me |
| 15:51.01 | azeem | until you can upgrade to testing |
| 15:51.07 | infinity0 | didn't work last time doubt it'll work this time :| |
| 15:51.12 | infinity0 | but i'll try it again.. |
| 15:51.21 | dazjorz | xingu: Yeah I was going to turn it off in the bios, I'll try that tomorrow |
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| 15:51.52 | azeem | infinity0: maybe that nvidia-xconfig broke your x.org configuration WRT vesa |
| 15:51.59 | jetscreamer | i never told infinity0 to check out http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt and change stuff to fit his system/needs an just go to town on it |
| 15:52.05 | jetscreamer | nope |
| 15:52.08 | infinity0 | i didn't use nvidia-xconfig before |
| 15:52.14 | infinity0 | vesa still messed up |
| 15:52.14 | xingu | dazjorz: and so regardless; your wireless "router" - is it in fact a bridge? does it have one IP address, or several? |
| 15:52.35 | dazjorz | xingu: It has only one IP address being 192.168.1.250 |
| 15:52.40 | hark | he had a synaptics related EE in the log |
| 15:52.44 | dazjorz | it connects wireless network interfaces to the same network |
| 15:52.58 | xingu | dazjorz: right; and the wired one; I assume thathas one internet address on the WAN port and one ethernet address and does NAT between the two? |
| 15:53.38 | xingu | dazjorz: sorry for asking numpty questions in slow motion but it pays to be precise |
| 15:53.48 | infinity0 | azeem: yep, vesa screwed up again |
| 15:54.01 | infinity0 | switches the screen right off :/ |
| 15:54.30 | azeem | infinity0: which resolution did you set? |
| 15:54.31 | dazjorz | xingu: Yeah |
| 15:54.42 | xingu | dazjorz: the last question is - which of these two boxes is acting as the dhcp server - the internet/lan router? |
| 15:54.43 | infinity0 | azeem: 1024x768 |
| 15:54.48 | azeem | infinity0: try 800x600 |
| 15:54.54 | infinity0 | hmm, ok |
| 15:54.56 | dazjorz | xingu: Sorry? The internet and lan router is the same one. |
| 15:55.12 | xingu | dazjorz: internet-to-LAN router (or wlan bridge, which?) |
| 15:55.19 | jetscreamer | is that from like swbell/att or something? |
| 15:55.20 | dazjorz | xingu: The internet-to-LAN router |
| 15:55.56 | pig0 | hi |
| 15:56.15 | xingu | dazjorz: right; so the factors at play with dhcp vs static routes are - it's possible but unlikely, that the internet-to-LAN router only permits access to valid dhcp leases; I've built systems before that *did* do that, but I doubt yours is one. |
| 15:56.39 | pig0 | it is nofar from aza |
| 15:56.40 | xingu | dazjorz: in the more likely category is ARP caching and (outright) ICMP filtering |
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| 15:56.59 | dazjorz | xingu: Yeah I doubt so too, since the old server had a static address too, and this machine and the one next to me both use a static address. |
| 15:57.04 | xingu | dazjorz: it's probable that the wlan bridge only permits icmp-echo-request from the wlan side of the bridge (to its own address) |
| 15:57.17 | dazjorz | xingu: I think the onboard NIC might be making trouble, maybe it'll fix itself if I turn it off |
| 15:57.30 | dazjorz | xingu: I can ping the wlan bridge from the troublesome machine |
| 15:58.03 | xingu | dazjorz: ok; I assume it's the inet router then that will/won't respond to ping depending on dhcp/static config? |
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| 15:58.39 | infinity0 | azeem: still no |
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| 15:58.53 | liable | so ping another box on the rourters lan |
| 15:59.44 | xingu | dazjorz: so the likely fault area is ARP caching on the inet router and MAC caching on the switch; if you ping the router, depending on sw, it may have *previously* learnt another ipaddress-to-macaddress association for your static IP address. |
| 16:00.03 | dazjorz | xingu: Yes indeed, the inet router does not respond |
| 16:00.05 | hark | infinity0: anything in grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:00.20 | xingu | dazjorz: iff it has - and this was learnt for a wlan connected client - your switch may also have cached this MAC address as being forwarded-via the switchport toward the access point |
| 16:00.21 | dazjorz | xingu: That might be possible, how will I solve that? |
| 16:00.37 | xingu | dazjorz: test the theory first; configure a *different* but still-static IP address. |
| 16:00.58 | infinity0 | hark: same as last time, "AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable" |
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| 16:01.30 | infinity0 | hang on though i'm gonna try connecting this monitor to the laptop :/ |
| 16:01.57 | hark | that's a harmless error :) |
| 16:02.05 | azeem | infinity0: last time there as errors about synaptic as well |
| 16:02.11 | xingu | dazjorz: if that "works" - then probably the quickest restoration path is power off/ on your router, switch, and accesspoint (all off, then all back on) |
| 16:02.14 | azeem | infinity0: using an external monitor might help, yes |
| 16:02.21 | xingu | dazjorz: obviously save configs first |
| 16:03.01 | infinity0 | azeem: nah no signal output, and yeah same errors about synaptic touchpad |
| 16:03.15 | xingu | dazjorz: what you're hoping to achieve by doing so can of course be done via software instead of hard power cycle; you're looking to flush the ARP cache on the wlan bridge and inet router; and the CAM table on the switch. |
| 16:03.19 | jetscreamer | no there would be an EE about the tft display |
| 16:03.23 | jetscreamer | i believe |
| 16:03.32 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.45 | jetscreamer | alt tab work, sf7? |
| 16:03.47 | abrotman | SF7: which window manager ? |
| 16:03.50 | xingu | dazjorz: but it's down to you to work out the right commands (or just give up and poweroff/poweron) |
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| 16:04.06 | jetscreamer | s/down/up/ |
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| 16:04.32 | SF7 | abrotman - how to find out? I am using a standard Debian net installation |
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| 16:04.37 | bullgard4 | How can I run the SysRq function on a x86 laptop computer using kernel 2.6.20-16generic? Pressing the SysRq key doesn't do it. |
| 16:04.37 | xingu | dazjorz: nb, this all hinges on the theory that you're able to ping the inet router with a different but still static ip address. |
| 16:04.47 | abrotman | SF7: gnome? kde? |
| 16:04.49 | jetscreamer | bullgard4: ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:04.50 | hark | SF7: right click the panel and add the window list applet |
| 16:05.24 | infinity0 | azeem: k i'm gonna try my own thing that i was trying before, if it doesn't work it's easily undoable so meh |
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| 16:05.55 | jetscreamer | bullgard4: try alt+sysreq though maybe |
| 16:06.17 | abrotman | !sysrq |
| 16:06.17 | dpkg | well, sysrq is Alt-PrintScreen-<Key>. For a clean reboot with a semi-locked machine, try <Key> with s-u-b, s for sync, u for remount readonly and b or reBoot. |
| 16:06.43 | bullgard4 | jetscreamer: Alt+SysRq will only open the gnome-screenshot |
| 16:07.03 | xand | bullgard4: you're not using debian, so please don't ask here |
| 16:07.04 | jetscreamer | shift maybe? |
| 16:07.17 | dazjorz | xingu: Sorry I wasn't there for a moment, I'll try that |
| 16:07.18 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 16:07.21 | dazjorz | Thanks a lot for helping! |
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| 16:07.56 | xand | arrox: root is banned here |
| 16:08.10 | xand | therefore you can't speak |
| 16:08.46 | liable | and we hax0r j00 |
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| 16:09.13 | jetscreamer | !tell arrox -about root |
| 16:09.17 | jetscreamer | i saw him leave |
| 16:09.22 | hark | bullgard4: how about just sysRq, does that bring up the screenshot thing? |
| 16:09.23 | jetscreamer | but not come back |
| 16:09.34 | SF7 | thx |
| 16:09.34 | xand | jetscreamer: I did |
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| 16:09.44 | bullgard4 | hark: yes. |
| 16:09.58 | abrotman | bullgard4: which version of debian ? |
| 16:10.12 | jetscreamer | i was telling some guy in ##windows to open up a cmd.exe xterm and apt-cache search compiz |
| 16:10.19 | jetscreamer | abrotman: the ubuntu kind |
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| 16:10.23 | jetscreamer | note the kernel |
| 16:10.30 | abrotman | could be an alpha |
| 16:10.31 | hark | ah, ubuntu's got the windows keybinding ... |
| 16:10.47 | xand | is this a parallel universe? |
| 16:11.24 | liable | a very wacky one, yes |
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| 16:12.19 | hark | bullgard4: how about alt+sysrq+b ? |
| 16:12.34 | infinity0 | just before my monitor switches off it flashes bands of color |
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| 16:12.44 | infinity0 | wondering if that gives anyone any ideas of any it's switching off... :/ |
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| 16:13.48 | abrotman | is this with the vesa driver ? |
| 16:14.00 | abrotman | infinity0: what resolution did you pick ? |
| 16:14.08 | infinity0 | 1280x800 |
| 16:14.10 | bolt | how can I set the hostname I want to use for my dhcp request? |
| 16:14.13 | infinity0 | the standard one for my monitor |
| 16:14.17 | abrotman | infinity0: thought you were going to try 800x600 ? |
| 16:14.19 | infinity0 | and i actually counted the pixels to check |
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| 16:14.23 | infinity0 | i did try that |
| 16:14.25 | infinity0 | didn't work either |
| 16:14.58 | jetscreamer | note that with the nvidia-installer you would have been finished a few hours ago or whatever... 10 minute procedure maybe all told .... remember, don't do it |
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| 16:15.31 | jetscreamer | arrox: do not irc as root |
| 16:15.34 | jetscreamer | go away |
| 16:15.53 | abrotman | arrox: you cannot speak in here as root ... login as your regular user and then start your irc client |
| 16:16.02 | xand | how do you add something to dpkg's factoids? |
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| 16:16.17 | azeem | xand: dpkg: foo is also ... |
| 16:16.18 | xand | an existing factoid that is |
| 16:16.19 | azeem | I think |
| 16:16.21 | xand | k |
| 16:16.24 | SF7 | my Thumb drive file system is fat. but 'man mount' (-t option) doesn't include fat. which file system is closest? |
| 16:16.34 | wols_ | SF7: vfat |
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| 16:16.49 | xand | bah, can't change "root" :( |
| 16:16.57 | liable | how do you stop mc logging its commands in bash_history? |
| 16:17.03 | liable | its very annoying |
| 16:17.08 | bullgard4 | hark: In what sequence should I press these keys at the same time? If I start with pressing Alt and then continue pressing SysRq, gnome-screenshot will start. If I start with Alt and continue with pressing b, a menu item of the active window will open. If I start with pressing SysRq, gnome-screenshot will open. |
| 16:17.30 | azeem | bullgard4: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 16:18.00 | xand | bullgard4: please ask the correct channel |
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| 16:19.16 | bullgard4 | http://paste.debian.net/36606 |
| 16:19.20 | jetscreamer | he's already said linux-image-2.6.20-16generic |
| 16:19.25 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 16:19.34 | azeem | bullgard4: please ask in #ubuntu then |
| 16:19.35 | jetscreamer | unbind that in gnome |
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| 16:19.55 | hark | bullgard4: yeah #ubuntu .. if yo want you can unbind it in gnome-keybinding-properties and then try |
| 16:20.59 | bullgard4 | hark: I will try. Thank you. |
| 16:21.00 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.20 | xand | maybe it's corrupted |
| 16:21.21 | h1st0_ | SF7: what kernel are you using? |
| 16:21.24 | azeem | SF7: could be a charset problem |
| 16:21.29 | azeem | or corruption |
| 16:22.05 | xand | SF7: does it look ok on another machine/OS? |
| 16:22.06 | SF7 | in columns. the only readable text is <?msdos 5.0. |
| 16:22.09 | abli | SF7, you can mount it with different filesystems? ie, it mounts as fat _and_ as ext2 (forexample)? |
| 16:22.14 | SF7 | ya in xp its fine. |
| 16:22.35 | SF7 | xp says its fat. but mounting as vfat doestn work |
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| 16:23.03 | xand | what about "msdos" instead of "vfat"? |
| 16:23.05 | trebor_home | i only installed debian one time from dvds. now i would like to add deb-sources from the internet, too. in /etc/apt/sources.list are only 2 additional entries (commented out). how/where can i get a list of deb-sources? |
| 16:23.16 | SF7 | im on 2.4.27... |
| 16:23.19 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 16:23.20 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 16:23.31 | abrotman | trebor_home: also .. /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 16:23.59 | trebor_home | abrotman: thank you. |
| 16:24.10 | namit | is there a way that i an query what commands a users ran on there last login except for .bash_history? |
| 16:24.29 | xand | namit: probably not |
| 16:24.42 | petemc | namit: not unless you have something set up to record them beforehand |
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| 16:25.07 | namit | xand petemc what would be a good thing to setup? |
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| 16:25.39 | xand | namit: I don't approve of spying so I wouldn't know :P |
| 16:25.51 | abrotman | maybe process accounting ? |
| 16:25.51 | petemc | system accounting |
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| 16:37.19 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 16:37.19 | dpkg | methinks qotd112 is <Powered> jm_: I dont understand man tell me witch commando I willuse ? <jm_> Powered: I am not sure if I have the patience to do that <Powered> jm_: Why ? <jm_> Powered: because you're vastly inexperienced Powered> jm_: But plz tell me. <jm_> Powered: you'll need to get the source package, edit the files, build the deb and then install that <Powered> jm_: Install what ? <jm_> Powered: see? |
| 16:37.52 | liable | where di he go |
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| 16:38.01 | liable | !seen jm_ |
| 16:38.02 | dpkg | jm_ <flier@mindwipe.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 4h 11m 50s ago, saying: 'tuxub: yes'. |
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| 16:40.55 | segers_j | please look at #flood, and offer suggestions. |
| 16:41.12 | SF7 | I just plugged in the Ethernet cable, but mozilla won't connect. do I have to reboot? |
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| 16:41.23 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 16:41.28 | xand | SF7: no! but have you configured the network card? |
| 16:41.30 | wols_ | SF7: no |
| 16:41.32 | lkthomas | is it possible to connect local console from ssh ? |
| 16:41.35 | xand | segers_j: use a pastebin |
| 16:41.40 | liable | SF7: no, you need to configure the ethernet |
| 16:41.40 | segers_j | SF7: no, linux isn't that mean. |
| 16:41.43 | wols_ | SF7: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 16:41.57 | liable | if he has in interfaces |
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| 16:42.17 | Pe3k_ | hello, If I have more than one repository where is placed package I wish to install, how should I specify to apt-get desired repository?thanks |
| 16:42.23 | abrotman | lkthomas: huh? |
| 16:42.39 | lkthomas | abrotman: I got tty1 running on my server |
| 16:42.43 | lkthomas | and I want to get back on |
| 16:42.46 | wols_ | Pe3k_: by default it gets the highest version |
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| 16:42.48 | lkthomas | on remote ssh |
| 16:42.55 | abrotman | lkthomas: you sohuld have started screen there |
| 16:42.58 | SF7 | xand: no, how do I configure it? |
| 16:43.04 | xand | !interfaces |
| 16:43.04 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 16:43.08 | lkthomas | abrotman: what if I didn't ? |
| 16:43.19 | liable | how about just using ifconfig |
| 16:43.20 | abrotman | lkthomas: not much you cna do |
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| 16:43.24 | segers_j | pe3k: there are different channels for different languages, if you want to use them and speak in your native tongue. |
| 16:43.36 | lkthomas | abrotman: shit :( |
| 16:43.44 | liable | SF7: ifconfig eth<whatever> up; dhclient eth<whatever> |
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| 16:43.55 | xand | liable: that is not the way |
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| 16:44.02 | abrotman | lkthomas: you could use ttysnoop to see what's there .. but i don't think you can control it |
| 16:44.06 | xand | interfaces is there for a reason |
| 16:44.13 | liable | xand: are you saying that wont get it to work? |
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| 16:44.33 | UpgradeBoy | Hi folks. I really need help from an expert. I have a new development machine with an ASUS P5k SE Mobo. The installer (same for edgy-custom) fails to recognise a CDROM when I try to boot and install. Please help me find a solution as I have to get this machine back working and Windows XP removed. Mayn thanks for any pointers. |
| 16:44.38 | xand | no, i'm saying it's not helpful if he wants to use it more than once |
| 16:44.45 | lkthomas | abrotman: so ttysnoop could "see" what's going on, right ? |
| 16:44.51 | Pe3k_ | wols_: I hoped so, but it looks like it is not working in this way for me :(. ...I get '...already the newest version' when I try to install ... |
| 16:44.57 | abrotman | lkthomas: yes |
| 16:44.59 | liable | xand: how do you know he does want to use it more than once? |
| 16:45.06 | lkthomas | abrotman: going to install it then, thanks :) |
| 16:45.17 | abrotman | Pe3k_: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 16:45.18 | xand | liable: how do you know he doesn't? |
| 16:45.43 | wols_ | Pe3k_: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 16:45.44 | liable | someone went through this whole ordeal setting up interfaces the other day just for an internet connection in a cafe |
| 16:45.55 | wols_ | Pe3k_: those are all you can actually install via apt-get |
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| 16:47.10 | SF7 | :p I would like to use it every time i boot. but mainly I want to understand what is going on. so maybe I should try liable's method first. |
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| 16:47.45 | abrotman | UpgradeBoy: do you know which controller it uses ? |
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| 16:49.11 | deriaN | Does anyone know how I can erase a series of letters in a text file? |
| 16:49.29 | abrotman | deriaN: same series each time? and always erase ? |
| 16:49.44 | deriaN | I've just listed everything in /mnt with "find /mnt/ -type d > files.list" |
| 16:49.56 | deriaN | Same series each time yes, and erase it everywhere |
| 16:50.05 | abrotman | deriaN: sed |
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| 16:50.05 | damog | abrotman: cat chow for today, please |
| 16:50.12 | abrotman | meow mix ? |
| 16:50.20 | UpgradeBoy | abrotman: I will need to find out. Hang on. The name escapes me for the second.... |
| 16:50.22 | deriaN | But it listes all the items in this order "/mnt/stuff/movie1.avi" |
| 16:50.28 | deriaN | Instead of just movie1.avi |
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| 16:50.40 | abrotman | UpgradeBoy: and/or .. can you find an english page that describes the board ? |
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| 16:51.03 | abrotman | deriaN: sure .. man sed |
| 16:51.24 | abrotman | deriaN: s/\/mnt\/stuff\///g .. i think |
| 16:51.30 | UpgradeBoy | abrotman: JMicron® JMB363 PATA and SATA controller ?? |
| 16:51.46 | deriaN | I tried this: sed -i 's,/mnt/stuff/,,' files.list |
| 16:51.53 | abrotman | UpgradeBoy: i think someone pointed you at a kmuto page before .. did you try it ? |
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| 16:52.49 | cast | deriaN: try sed -i 's,/mnt/stuff/,,g' files.list |
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| 16:53.21 | deriaN | No difference :/ |
| 16:53.47 | cast | hold up...i shall make a test file and see |
| 16:53.55 | deriaN | Okay, thanks. |
| 16:54.09 | deriaN | Maybe i'm just a dumbass :/ |
| 16:54.36 | cast | find /mnt/tmpstore/ > wee.txt ; sed -i 's:/mnt/tmpstore::g' wee.txt worked fine |
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| 16:55.39 | UpgradeBoy | abrotman: yes. No joy. |
| 16:56.05 | abrotman | !jmicron |
| 16:56.05 | dpkg | Having problems booting IDE on a JMicron chipset or MSI G965M-FI? Check out http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/16/1829231 |
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| 16:57.43 | Sebboh- | Hi. I want to set an environment varible, and I want it to stay set through reboots, for all users, cron, daemons started by init, etc. Where do I set environment varibles like that? |
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| 16:57.59 | cast | Sebboh-: man bash and look a tthe files section :> |
| 16:57.59 | azeem | Sebboh-: you can try with /etc/environment |
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| 16:58.08 | Sebboh- | cast, wrong answers. |
| 16:58.08 | azeem | Sebboh-: of course, not everything might honor it |
| 16:58.18 | Sebboh- | azeem, ok. |
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| 16:58.28 | deriaN | Okay cast, a secend. |
| 16:58.37 | Jemt | Greetz. I have just installed mplayer and mozilla-mplayer, but when I'm trying to playback a video sequence, it just outputs "stopped" - any suggestions ? |
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| 17:00.13 | cast | Sebboh-: oh, good point. my bad. :) |
| 17:01.12 | Sebboh- | cast, p.s. I could have phrased my reply differently, sorry.. :) |
| 17:02.02 | cast | nah, i fuck up like that from time to time. really shouldn't :\. but i'm doing it less now, i hope :D |
| 17:02.18 | Sebboh- | yay edification! |
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| 17:02.37 | abrotman | down with reading! |
| 17:02.51 | Sebboh- | btfm! |
| 17:02.52 | liable | up with ranting! |
| 17:02.56 | Sebboh- | (burn the fine manual!) |
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| 17:03.43 | UpgradeBoy | no one has any ideas of my asus motherboard issue? |
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| 17:05.01 | liable | which issue would that be? |
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| 17:05.49 | cast | UpgradeBoy: if you can get any livecd to work [say, knoppix] then you can use debootstrap to install a base system |
| 17:06.17 | cast | UpgradeBoy: or you could try booting off a usb hdd, one might be able to do that with the installer, i'm not sure.. |
| 17:06.20 | snowbird | liable got printer |
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| 17:06.56 | liable | i just bought a p5k-vm mobo |
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| 17:07.08 | UpgradeBoy | cast: no, you cant boot from usb afail |
| 17:07.11 | liable | going to be fun getting my etch box to run it |
| 17:07.12 | UpgradeBoy | afaik |
| 17:07.56 | liable | the jmicron chip works in .18 afaict |
| 17:08.06 | UpgradeBoy | stop press - the controller is a marvell 88se6111. |
| 17:08.17 | liable | thats the ethernet |
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| 17:08.31 | UpgradeBoy | pata/sata its says |
| 17:08.37 | liable | oh |
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| 17:09.04 | liable | snowbird: ok.. |
| 17:09.28 | UpgradeBoy | this is so frustrating. This MB has been out for motnhs. works fine with basic XP. Why oh why doesn't Debian recognise it? I cant do any work until I get Debian back on it :( |
| 17:09.41 | xand | you could try #debian-boot on oftc |
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| 17:09.49 | xand | or the debian installer mailing list |
| 17:09.55 | UpgradeBoy | will try that thanks. |
| 17:10.11 | xand | or testing if your'e trying stable |
| 17:10.28 | Jonah_ | hey guys, how do you disable the battery acpi module, it loads up on boot but i dont have a laptop |
| 17:10.28 | xand | that has a newer kernel |
| 17:10.29 | UpgradeBoy | I tried lenny installer too. Nope, doesnt work. |
| 17:11.11 | UpgradeBoy | where should I raise it so that a developer looks at it? |
| 17:11.14 | liable | have you tried setting it to legacy in bios? |
| 17:11.25 | UpgradeBoy | no such BIOS options. |
| 17:11.35 | liable | there should be |
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| 17:11.53 | UpgradeBoy | in what section would you expect to see it? |
| 17:12.14 | UpgradeBoy | I see SATA settings and they are "enhanced" or "compatible": Both fail. |
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| 17:12.44 | darsie | Hi! Which is the file where I can configure the order of my sound cards? |
| 17:12.58 | valdyn | darsie: any file in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 17:13.08 | darsie | thx |
| 17:13.20 | valdyn | darsie: or with a different method in ~/.asoundrc |
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| 17:13.39 | darsie | But I think it was something like an ALSA file |
| 17:14.02 | valdyn | darsie: it's what im saying. |
| 17:14.13 | UpgradeBoy | !kmuto |
| 17:14.13 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 17:14.20 | UpgradeBoy | how to invoke the bot? |
| 17:14.32 | valdyn | UpgradeBoy: just as you did |
| 17:14.33 | Sebboh- | I heard that files in /etc/modprobe.d aren't being processed in any kind of order per se, although it's supposed to be alphabetical. |
| 17:14.35 | darsie | valdyn: But ~/anything won't change /dev/dspX |
| 17:15.06 | Sebboh- | UpgradeBoy, /query dpkg .. then tell him help |
| 17:15.06 | valdyn | darsie: you shouldnt be using /dev/dsp at all |
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| 17:15.25 | darsie | hmm, but mpg123 does. |
| 17:15.38 | valdyn | darsie: it supports alsa too |
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| 17:16.06 | darsie | ok ... |
| 17:16.16 | darsie | I hope, aumix does, too. |
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| 17:16.39 | valdyn | darsie: amixer or alsamixer |
| 17:16.47 | valdyn | darsie: i dont know aumix actually |
| 17:17.07 | darsie | it's a handy shell mixer |
| 17:17.12 | abrotman | aumix wont' run if it sees alsa stuff IIRC |
| 17:17.15 | darsie | curses |
| 17:17.24 | abrotman | oh .. maybe that's just at start up |
| 17:17.29 | darsie | yep |
| 17:17.30 | valdyn | darsie: use alsamixer then, if aumix does not support alsa |
| 17:17.44 | xand | aumix does |
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| 17:18.12 | xand | I can use alsamixer and aumix |
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| 17:18.18 | valdyn | xand: no, not according to the package description |
| 17:18.31 | valdyn | xand: yea, because you let aumix use the oss emulation layer |
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| 17:19.35 | xored | how do i automatically let install security fixes only ( through contab ) |
| 17:19.55 | valdyn | xored: there's nothing else for stable, is that what you are using? |
| 17:20.11 | xored | valdyn : etch stable |
| 17:20.26 | valdyn | xored: cron-apt |
| 17:20.37 | darsie | xored: I'd worry that some update requires user input and blocks. |
| 17:20.58 | xored | darsie: could you rephrase ? |
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| 17:21.05 | xored | i have no clue what you said, sorry |
| 17:21.09 | drmitch | in vim, ":set mouse=a" returns "E538: No mouse support: mouse=a" |
| 17:21.19 | UpgradeBoy | liable: what about the settings you said I could change? |
| 17:21.31 | drmitch | is there a .deb package of vim with mouse support built in? |
| 17:21.40 | darsie | xored: Well, an update may say that you changed a config file and ask you if you want to keep your version, or the new version. |
| 17:22.10 | xored | darsie: really rarely for security fixes to be hones |
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| 17:22.40 | xored | darsie: iam not talking about package upgrades, only security fixes |
| 17:22.41 | darsie | xored: It may then sit there and wait until you say yes or no. |
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| 17:23.10 | xored | darsie: it should stop the update simply and send an mail to the admin. Thats usefull. |
| 17:23.23 | SF7 | does debian have some equivalent of mIRC? how to install it? |
| 17:23.33 | xingu | SF7: xchat |
| 17:23.34 | darsie | xored: Well, I'd be worried. There may be ways to avoid such situations, but I don't know them. |
| 17:23.37 | drmitch | SF7: xchat |
| 17:23.40 | drmitch | or irssi |
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| 17:23.50 | drmitch | or wine with mirc |
| 17:23.51 | streuner | SF7: similar is X-Chat |
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| 17:24.22 | SF7 | how do I install xchat? ( I remember in fedora, I could use yum ) |
| 17:24.28 | streuner | !find xchat |
| 17:24.31 | drmitch | aptitude xchat |
| 17:24.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xchat' (6 of 28): (/usr/bin/xchat-gnome) in gnome/xchat-gnome ;; (/usr/share/gnome-osd/xchatosd.py) in gnome/gnome-osd ;; (/usr/share/gruftistats/xchat.lrx) in net/gruftistats ;; (/usr/lib/pidgin/xchat-chats.so) in net/pidgin-plugin-pack ;; (/usr/share/doc-base/xchat-guile-readme) in net/xchat-guile ;; (/usr/share/doc/idjc/html/idjc-xchat.png.jpg) in sound/idjc. |
| 17:24.46 | cast | aptitude install xchat even |
| 17:24.52 | streuner | SF7: apt-get install xchat-gnome |
| 17:25.15 | streuner | !info xchat |
| 17:25.17 | infinity0 | um... how do you get back to X after ctrl+alt+f1'ing back to bash...? |
| 17:25.18 | drmitch | oops, left out install. man i must still be drunk |
| 17:25.19 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 292 kB, Installed size: 716 kB |
| 17:25.35 | darsie | infinity0: alt-7 |
| 17:25.41 | infinity0 | ahh cheers |
| 17:25.45 | darsie | infinity0: alt-f7 |
| 17:25.49 | ChanGux | !info shc |
| 17:25.53 | dpkg | shc: (Shell script compiler), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.8.6-3 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
| 17:26.06 | SF7 | how do I find that which window manager I'm using? I don't know if it is kde or gnome |
| 17:26.10 | infinity0 | darsie: kk cheers :)... is there like a readme of these shortcuts somewhere? |
| 17:26.13 | liable | UpgradeBoy: compatible should be it |
| 17:26.21 | darsie | infinity0: dunno |
| 17:26.23 | UpgradeBoy | it isn't |
| 17:26.30 | xand | SF7: is there a menu bar at the top or the bottom of the screen? |
| 17:26.46 | drmitch | now that i'm using lenny, will there ever be a way for me to go back to a stable version? or stop updates from happening? |
| 17:26.51 | darsie | infinity0: You can try man X |
| 17:26.55 | xand | drmitch: when lenny becomes stable |
| 17:26.59 | UpgradeBoy | Its only after using Ubuntu/Debian for so long and now going back to Windows one realises just how rubbish it can be. |
| 17:27.02 | infinity0 | ah yeah cheers |
| 17:27.02 | xand | drmitch: but you can't downgrade |
| 17:27.04 | SF7 | ya with a foot. thats gnome right? |
| 17:27.08 | xand | SF7: yes |
| 17:27.08 | UpgradeBoy | (Windows that is!) |
| 17:27.21 | UpgradeBoy | I feel so helpless. |
| 17:27.36 | drmitch | so when lenny becomes stable, they'll stop updating the packages? |
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| 17:27.50 | SerajewelKS | drmitch: except for security patches |
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| 17:28.00 | drmitch | cool-io |
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| 17:28.16 | xand | if it says "lenny" in your sources.list instead of testing |
| 17:28.48 | bullgard4 | What are the keyboard shortcuts in a x86 laptop computer running a current Debian release to access a 'Magic SysRq Key' (in contrast to a Gnome screenshot)? See /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20/Documentation/sysreq.txt |
| 17:29.24 | SerajewelKS | bullgard4: i think that's alt-printscr |
| 17:29.34 | SerajewelKS | or not |
| 17:29.38 | SerajewelKS | maybe ctrl or shift |
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| 17:29.55 | SerajewelKS | my guess is ctrl, i know ctrl+pause means break |
| 17:30.03 | bullgard4 | SerajewelKS: I should appreciate an exact answer. |
| 17:30.15 | SerajewelKS | bullgard4: then ask google |
| 17:30.27 | bullgard4 | hehe |
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| 17:30.39 | cast | UpgradeBoy: the not being able to move/rename/delete files while they're open annoys me every time :\ |
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| 17:31.04 | SerajewelKS | cast: that is IMO the single most annoying windows misfeature |
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| 17:31.25 | UpgradeBoy | cast: sorry? |
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| 17:32.25 | UpgradeBoy | heh. I didnt even realise that was a problem. But at least it loads. I am screwed up here. I really am flumuxed as to what I can do if I can only boot into Windows. I guess I need to find someone who can build a compatible kernel for me. |
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| 17:34.41 | xand | having to reboot to delete/move files-- |
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| 17:35.09 | cast | well, if you're a long time windows user its normal to you, i've had a bit of a problem explaining to windows users that its even a problem - i suppose when its normal to you one doesn't see it as a problem |
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| 17:36.02 | cast | ahh, woops, he already left |
| 17:36.12 | blinker | I need some help with corrupt data on my drive. I ran fsck and it gets an error while scanning inodes. how would I go about fixing this problem? (http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/36803) |
| 17:36.39 | xored | blinker: use data restore software |
| 17:36.54 | xored | blinker: which fs ? |
| 17:37.02 | blinker | ext2 |
| 17:37.09 | xored | thats great to restore |
| 17:37.14 | cast | what happens when you type yes instead of no? |
| 17:37.29 | SerajewelKS | blinker: looks like your drive has bad sectors |
| 17:37.35 | blinker | cast: havent attempted that one yet |
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| 17:37.39 | xored | blinker: first of all, unmount the drive, when you mount it, mount it read only |
| 17:38.08 | blinker | xored: it was unmounted |
| 17:38.09 | xored | blinker: and now search for software to restore ext2 data ( which is good restoreable comparing to ext3 ) |
| 17:38.21 | blinker | good to hear |
| 17:38.30 | xored | blinker: your drive will have some bad sectors or simliar things |
| 17:38.37 | xored | try s.m.a.r.t |
| 17:38.48 | xored | or simply buy a new one a try to restore your data. |
| 17:38.53 | blinker | i have that, but i'm not familiar with how to use it |
| 17:39.10 | xored | blinker: than its time to read |
| 17:39.16 | xored | blinker: and use google: =) |
| 17:39.18 | blinker | overall i'm still a linux rookie, heh. I can find my way around most things, but the serious stuff still has me a little skiddish =p |
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| 17:39.35 | wols_ | blinker: smartctl, the "long" test |
| 17:39.39 | blinker | xored: part of using google is knowing what youre looking for ~.^ |
| 17:39.53 | xored | blinker : you know it : restore ext2 data |
| 17:40.20 | xored | blinker: and watch out for wols_ advices, he knows what he is doing |
| 17:40.48 | xored | for me, i would not even try to run smart |
| 17:40.56 | xored | even this could destroy more data. |
| 17:41.42 | blinker | wols_ was originally helping out with this |
| 17:41.45 | xored | if you have the 40€, buy a new drive or use a drive you already have, and start with saving the data first, afterwards run smartctl with the long test and check, if you even can use the drive anymore or not |
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| 17:42.26 | xored | with ext, you dont need the inode thable to restore data |
| 17:42.30 | xored | ext2 |
| 17:42.43 | xored | wols_: iam in love with rsnapshot |
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| 17:43.48 | bullgard4 | xored: Me too. |
| 17:44.18 | xored | bullgard4: the only thing which is suboptimal is, that you normaly need several config files, one for each backup-story |
| 17:44.41 | wols_ | xored: imho, if it's really a media defect, nothing can kill data. but it's his choice what to do. a complete backup of the disk would always bea a good idea of course before doing anything further |
| 17:44.46 | xored | bullgard4: but with rsnapshot i got arround my lazyness to backup things seriuosly |
| 17:44.48 | bullgard4 | xored: I agree |
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| 17:45.25 | blinker | ok, after running the long test it goes back to a prompt after telling me to wait 106 minutes - is that normal? o.O |
| 17:45.30 | xored | wols_: i mean, if its about a headcrash and you make a smartctl "stress test" you can really kill the drive |
| 17:45.46 | xored | blinker: what do you think, its called "long test" :) |
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| 17:46.22 | blinker | naturally i'd expect it to take a while, but not to go back to the prompt while its running the test. more what i was referencing |
| 17:46.43 | xored | blinker: i think its a daemon |
| 17:46.52 | blinker | righto. thx |
| 17:46.52 | xored | blinker: it works in the background |
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| 17:52.28 | hal | hi all, just got an intel core 2 machine. I am running my old debian on it. If I am right I have to use the amd64 port. Can I upgrade from i386 ? |
| 17:52.58 | abrotman | you don't have to to use the amd64 |
| 17:53.15 | hal | Btw. How can I check if I really have a 64 bit intel cpu. The extension is called EM64T, but I can't find that in cpuinfo |
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| 17:54.09 | hal | abrotman, I don't have, yes it works here. But of course I like to replace all the for i386 compiled apps with optimised ones. |
| 17:54.26 | abrotman | then you'd have to reinstall |
| 17:54.29 | lindenl1 | Hey can anyone here help me with PPPoE problems? |
| 17:54.35 | hal | ok, thanks |
| 17:54.46 | abrotman | hal: honestly .. probably not worth it |
| 17:54.53 | xingu | hal: grep lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:55.13 | jeff_hann | lindenl1, what problems? |
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| 17:55.48 | hal | xingu: Am, thanks. lm and lahf_lm |
| 17:56.43 | xingu | hal: "long mode" - ie em64t most basic feature. |
| 17:57.07 | hal | Ok, thanks ;) |
| 17:59.11 | blinker | lindenl1: maybe? helps to know the problem =P |
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| 17:59.31 | jeff_hann | yeah, could be a start :) |
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| 18:03.36 | UpgradeBoy | can any one suggest how I can stop the debian web pages sending me to the german language ones just because I am using german XP? |
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| 18:04.16 | cast | automagic gone wrong! |
| 18:05.03 | abrotman | UpgradeBoy: check the bottom of the page |
| 18:05.04 | Decepticon | what command can i use for my computer to beep if it can reach google.com via ping (i dont have a monitor, i want to see if it is online and connected) |
| 18:05.10 | abrotman | !beep |
| 18:05.10 | dpkg | beep is, like, /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 18:05.13 | cast | http://www.us.debian.org/intro/cn#fix |
| 18:05.59 | UpgradeBoy | abrotman: yhea, but if I bring up english, when I press a link I go back to German!!!?!?!?! |
| 18:06.00 | dondelelcaro | ~/. |
| 18:06.20 | lindenl1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.28 | bullgard4 | What are the keyboard shortcuts in a x86 laptop computer running a current Debian release to access a 'Magic SysRq Key' (in contrast to a Gnome screenshot)? See /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20/Documentation/sysreq.txt |
| 18:06.47 | jeff_hann | pppoe == ppp over ethernet |
| 18:06.47 | lindenl1 | blinker: im not exactly sure what the problem is....but getting there |
| 18:07.11 | jeff_hann | lindenl1, en.wikipedia.org |
| 18:07.22 | abrotman | UpgradeBoy: maybe change the $LANG when you run the browser ? |
| 18:07.26 | jeff_hann | search both terms and see what fits you |
| 18:07.34 | abrotman | bullgard4: for the 10th time .. ask #ubuntu |
| 18:07.51 | lindenl1 | jeff_hann: I got it now it was the VCI setting |
| 18:07.53 | lindenl1 | woo hoo |
| 18:08.11 | jeff_hann | congrats :) |
| 18:08.16 | azeem | bullgard4: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 18:08.25 | bullgard4 | abrotman: Strange. I am asking a question about Debian, and you are referring me to Ubuntu. |
| 18:08.38 | abrotman | because you're using an ubuntu kernel |
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| 18:08.47 | abrotman | bullgard4: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
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| 18:09.05 | abrotman | bullgard4: and i wasn't the only one to ask you to go to #ubuntu |
| 18:09.46 | fasta | Is this of importance? WARNING **: TerminalTimeout in step: <some package> |
| 18:09.57 | xand | bullgard4: 2.6.20 isn't in current debian |
| 18:10.07 | abrotman | bullgard4: no version of debian currently has a .20 kernel .. so either your kernel is out of date(upgrade it), you're not using debian(ask the channel you belong in), or you've compiled your own(ask ##kernel) |
| 18:10.16 | azeem | dudes, we can you please chill? |
| 18:10.29 | azeem | we already established all that earlier |
| 18:10.31 | xand | I am, have a fan behind me :0 |
| 18:11.16 | azeem | obviously, we assume he reinstalled Debian in the meantime, so please let him answer the question about libc6 |
| 18:11.20 | bullgard4 | I have taken the release number 2.6.20 as an example. The answer to my question is not strongly dependent on the exact kernel release. |
| 18:11.37 | xand | so what kernel are you really using? |
| 18:11.50 | azeem | ok, that's it |
| 18:12.09 | azeem | have fun guys, I won't occupy myself with this further |
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| 18:13.24 | xand | bullgard4: can't you disable the gnome keyboard shortcuts? |
| 18:14.01 | cast | hmm, http://www.blastwave.org/docs/images/img_0967.png X-Windows Monitor Test Pattern; anyone know what cmd does that? |
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| 18:14.32 | bullgard4 | xand: Yes I can. But I should like to know how a current Debian release binds those keys. |
| 18:14.48 | cast | [if it is a command that is, it could be a solaris installer thingy] |
| 18:16.00 | Freak__ | I have set up masquerading for several computers (all static ips). What is the easiest way to keep control of the bandwidth usages per IP (if possible even by protocol (http/torrent/etc)) |
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| 18:17.02 | xingu | cast: kdmconfig possibly. |
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| 18:17.42 | xand | that doesnt look like the solaris installer |
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| 18:20.05 | cast | yeah, you're probably right. installer screenshots followed after it, [http://www.blastwave.org/docs/honesty.html howto install solaris 10] |
| 18:20.17 | Decepticon | if i plug a usb hdd into my computer, and if i didnt have a monitor, where would the hdd show up and how would i want to mount it |
| 18:20.26 | xingu | cast: in that case I'd be near *certain* it's kdmconfig |
| 18:20.30 | wols_ | Decepticon: dmesg |
| 18:20.48 | cast | o |
| 18:20.50 | Decepticon | wols_ well i cant see anything since i dont have a monitor |
| 18:21.07 | wols_ | Decepticon: you do have a network connection? ssh? |
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| 18:21.24 | Decepticon | i dont know the ip, im trying to figure out network on a blind machine |
| 18:21.35 | xingu | cast: ... and looking at the screenshot below confirms that it is. |
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| 18:21.49 | wols_ | Decepticon: good luck |
| 18:22.50 | cast | xingu: hmm, i'm not finding anything on kdmconfig, aside from some *.ko and *.png's |
| 18:23.10 | xingu | cast: I've been through those menus many, many times - it's kdmconfig. :) |
| 18:23.25 | xingu | cast: what's new, is that screen; I haven't touched sol10x86 |
| 18:23.43 | Decepticon | wols_ maybe there is a program that speaks the output on the screen... i have headphones |
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| 18:23.52 | Decepticon | isnt there anything that i could use that blind people use |
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| 18:24.18 | cast | Decepticon: you could mount it with usbmount [udev scripts] |
| 18:24.27 | wols_ | !info festival etch |
| 18:24.29 | dpkg | festival: (general multi-lingual speech synthesis system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-17.2 (etch), Packaged size: 709 kB, Installed size: 2008 kB |
| 18:25.10 | Decepticon | where do i access the man pages for debian specific packages |
| 18:25.24 | Decepticon | debian etch specific packages |
| 18:25.26 | wols_ | Decepticon: same place like any other |
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| 18:26.55 | segers_j | OMG, NYA TLA! ;) Hi, all. (no responses on channel please) |
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| 18:28.43 | cast | ...`fortune |festival --tts`...lol |
| 18:28.52 | segers_j | Decepticon: general courtesy makes us expect you to invest your time in figuring things out, try google. |
| 18:28.53 | cast | "you are being followed. cut out the hanky panky for a few days" |
| 18:29.43 | Decepticon | well the reason im asking, is because i can find stuff on google, but it wont necssarily will be debian etch specific (paths and all that ) and i dont want to try some random commands that wont work on my computer (since i dont hve a monitor) and might mess it up |
| 18:29.50 | Decepticon | segers_j ^^ |
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| 18:30.13 | krazykit | Decepticon, you could ssh into that headless computer |
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| 18:30.21 | Decepticon | if only i knew the ip |
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| 18:30.24 | segers_j | Decepticon: is the network working? can you ssh in? |
| 18:30.28 | Decepticon | i cant figure out if its even online |
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| 18:30.42 | cast | is it too much work to add a monitor |
| 18:30.45 | Decepticon | i see blinky lilghts on the ethernet card, but i havent been able to ssh into my other computer |
| 18:30.49 | Decepticon | cast right now, yes |
| 18:31.01 | segers_j | Decepticon: bad attitude, you can figure it out. |
| 18:31.20 | Decepticon | segers_j, what do you mean? |
| 18:32.01 | Ronin | why cant you ssh in? what happens when you try? |
| 18:32.06 | segers_j | er, I think that was a /msg, please don't do that without permission. |
| 18:32.31 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to find out which package contains a certain symbol, so that it may be installed, and fix an "undefined symbol" error? |
| 18:32.32 | segers_j | (my debian box is offline right now, so I'm on my mac BTW |
| 18:32.34 | Decepticon | Ronin i dont knwo the ip |
| 18:32.47 | Decepticon | theres too many computers on the network to isolate it out |
| 18:32.57 | Decepticon | and i dont even think its on the network |
| 18:33.44 | segers_j | Decepticon: what about a simple ethernet hub, and a network of 2? |
| 18:33.50 | Ronin | Decepticon: ya that could be a problem |
| 18:33.58 | cast | Decepticon: nmap the entire network, make note of macs, turn off comp, do it again, profit! |
| 18:34.07 | Ronin | Decepticon: carry a monitor over to it |
| 18:34.08 | segers_j | hahahaha |
| 18:34.33 | Decepticon | segers_j i dont have access to such a hub right now :( all i have is a switch |
| 18:34.42 | Ronin | Decepticon: even better then a hub |
| 18:34.52 | Decepticon | how so |
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| 18:36.04 | segers_j | Decepticon: have you answered the monitor questions? I'm beginning to lose patience, when all of mine is lost, I'll ignore you. |
| 18:36.15 | wols_ | if I have a headless box and a new kernel, when will the kernel write something to syslog so I can see if the thing doesn't work (the new kernel)? |
| 18:37.19 | Decepticon | you can ignore me if you want then, sorry for the trouble |
| 18:37.26 | segers_j | wols_: I seem to remember there being a terminal on com port option... |
| 18:37.38 | Ronin | Decepticon: why don't you just carry over a monitor for the time being so you can set it up |
| 18:38.18 | segers_j | Decepticon: I didn't intend to be snarky. :) |
| 18:38.18 | Decepticon | its nto really an option, ive just moved and dont know anybody here, i dont have a car to take a monitor about or my pc to a monitor |
| 18:38.29 | Decepticon | ill figure this out on my own, thanks anyway |
| 18:38.36 | wols_ | segers_j: box is at a hoster. no serial console |
| 18:38.38 | Ronin | Decepticon: then call support where ever the machine is |
| 18:39.00 | riot | does tar include dotfiles by default? |
| 18:39.13 | segers_j | ok, so how are you ircing? |
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| 18:39.23 | segers_j | Decepticon: ^^^ |
| 18:39.37 | Decepticon | im on my laptop right now |
| 18:39.48 | xingu | wols_: debian copies dmesg to /var/log/dmesg in late boot; not sure where you're going with your question? have you got shell access to the box or is that down after the reboot? |
| 18:40.11 | wols_ | xingu: that'S the problem. only the rescue system works. it's a root server |
| 18:40.34 | wols_ | one can load the rescue system and mount the disks, chroot to it etc |
| 18:40.52 | riot | ok, it does. |
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| 18:40.54 | wols_ | someone installed a non standard debian lilo and 2.4.31 kernel and now the user wants a new (debian) kernel |
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| 18:41.15 | cast | riot: if you tell it to tar dir/ itll tar /dir/.wee, if yo utell it to tar * then it wont tar .* as that isn't matched by the glob, as i understand it |
| 18:41.39 | riot | cast: now, that makes pretty much sense :D |
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| 18:41.53 | xingu | wols_: ok so not exactly a newish debian then eh? how good are the odds that it's not reaching init at all? |
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| 18:42.02 | segers_j | I believe someone gave you enough info earlier, I had to laugh at the brilliance, do you have scrollback? |
| 18:42.14 | segers_j | Decepticon: ^^ |
| 18:42.33 | segers_j | sorry all, I'll do better at getting the name attached. |
| 18:42.41 | wols_ | xingu: userland ist etch. upgraded by the user. just that the hoster is an idiot and used a 3.4.31 kernel to set it all up |
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| 18:42.50 | c0rnd0g | hi everybody. |
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| 18:42.56 | c0rnd0g | hope all are well and unbugged. |
| 18:43.03 | wols_ | xingu: the odds are high tht it doesn't reach init. that's my problem :( |
| 18:43.07 | Decepticon | its ok segers_j the apartment complex here has a computer lab, ill see if they can let me take my pc there and hook up a monitor... if not then ill get a monitor later somewhere else |
| 18:43.19 | xingu | wols_: ok; in that case I think bootlogd is present but defaulted off due to the security issues; if it's not reaching init there just won't be any logs on the system |
| 18:43.25 | xingu | wols_: it's all console io up to then |
| 18:43.28 | segers_j | self RELIANCE YAY!!!!!! |
| 18:43.47 | Decepticon | segers_j why dont you just ignore me like you said you would :( |
| 18:43.51 | xingu | wols_: can your remote hands send you a camera-phone screenshot of the screen after boot stalls? |
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| 18:44.09 | cast | "and next week, #debian tries to assemble a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle, in the dark!" |
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| 18:44.12 | riot | hmm. some of you guys sound as if it were still friday.. Have i missed something? |
| 18:44.15 | wols_ | xingu: he finally managed it. with a 2.6.22 kernel from thin air (it's on disk, looks like a debian kernel with all the trimmings, or at least a .deb installed kednel) |
| 18:44.26 | wols_ | trouble is, dpkg doesn't know about a package for it... |
| 18:44.33 | wols_ | well. as long as it works... I don't care |
| 18:44.35 | segers_j | Decepticon: my patience hasn't run out, much metta to you. bye. |
| 18:44.36 | xingu | wols_: if it *does* reach init you could use the rescue chroot to turn on bootlogd |
| 18:45.01 | c0rnd0g | segers_j: :) |
| 18:45.01 | xingu | wols_: and that'd give you the rest of early init onward. |
| 18:45.11 | xingu | wl. |
| 18:45.21 | c0rnd0g | M4. |
| 18:45.29 | xingu | wols_: ok fair do sounds like remote hands is the "expert" :) exit and change your extn # asap. :) |
| 18:45.56 | wols_ | xingu: I dunno about any expert over there tbh :) |
| 18:45.58 | LordWolF | yo whats the key on the keyboard fn <-- |
| 18:46.34 | nvz | can I use the address 192.168.1.255 for a box on the network 192.168.1.0 or is that last address reserved for some reason? |
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| 18:46.48 | cast | LordWolF: function key 1-12 |
| 18:46.55 | dalias | nvz, it's reserved for broadcast normally |
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| 18:46.59 | segers_j | bye for now, if you're interested in yet another license, you can take the one at jerrysegersjr.net as a joke if you like, even though I'm serious and will begin selling under it shortly. |
| 18:47.01 | wols_ | nvz: not really reserved but bad form |
| 18:47.05 | dalias | you can move the broadcast addy to another address but it's a bad idea |
| 18:47.06 | cast | LordWolF: F1, F2, F3...etc.. |
| 18:47.11 | xingu | lordrich: it's the fun key. you press it when you want to have fun |
| 18:47.13 | wols_ | you can use nay addy you want for broadcast (usually 0 oder 255) |
| 18:47.15 | dalias | just don't use .255 |
| 18:47.16 | LordWolF | ahh thanks |
| 18:47.22 | xingu | s/rich/wolf/ |
| 18:47.23 | wols_ | but to make sure usually both 0 and 255 are "reserved" for it |
| 18:47.23 | c0rnd0g | dalias: yes. that makes you a liar. not good :) |
| 18:47.32 | dalias | c0rnd0g, huh? |
| 18:47.49 | c0rnd0g | dalias: referring to mac address spoofing, i guess i'm a bit radical right now, sry :) |
| 18:48.03 | dalias | c0rnd0g, umm we're not talking about mac addresses, wtf |
| 18:48.14 | nvz | what I am trying to do is figure out how to setup an iptables rule to block any incomming or outgoing traffic from/to 192.168.1.0 addresses except two of them |
| 18:48.20 | c0rnd0g | dalias: my bad. i'm frustrated thought you werel. |
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| 18:48.26 | dalias | :) |
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| 18:48.38 | xingu | nvz: add two permit rules then a deny rule |
| 18:48.45 | xingu | nvz: iptables is exit on first match |
| 18:48.53 | nvz | xingu: thats what I was just going to ask ;P |
| 18:49.15 | dalias | are there any tools for analyzing the content of /proc/[pid]/maps ? |
| 18:49.23 | xingu | dalias: pmap |
| 18:49.38 | dalias | thanks |
| 18:50.01 | nvz | xingu: don't I need two rules for the DROP, one for incomming and one for outgoing? |
| 18:50.24 | xingu | nvz: one for each source I was thinking, but if they're aggregatable more power to you. |
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| 18:51.12 | xingu | nvz: oh, no, one deny rule - so hitting the smallest term for your req. you'd have permit hosta; permit hostb; deny network 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 18:51.19 | LordWolF | ok im in teh terminal where can i change the display settings on the terminal what command? |
| 18:51.19 | xingu | nvz: if you follow. |
| 18:51.22 | LordWolF | the* |
| 18:51.42 | nvz | xingu: I just want this transparent firewall to only allow packets to pass through that are addressed to its IP or the IP of the box connected to it.. and block any traffic to/from either of them to the rest of the lan |
| 18:51.45 | xingu | nvz: another design would be to set the table's default policy (-P) to DENY |
| 18:51.50 | wols_ | LordWolF: do you mean settings for X or what? |
| 18:51.54 | LordWolF | yes |
| 18:51.58 | xingu | nvz: then you'd just need the explicit permits and no deny rule. |
| 18:51.59 | LordWolF | for X |
| 18:52.00 | wols_ | !tell LordWolF about drxx |
| 18:52.18 | nvz | xingu: I still want them to be able to access any internet bound addresses |
| 18:52.39 | xingu | nvz: sure; so direction (input vs output) and recieved interface become important |
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| 18:53.28 | wols_ | nvz: allt hat fuss for some cop pigs? |
| 18:53.35 | nvz | wols_: yep |
| 18:53.37 | xingu | nvz: all table default policy is default deny policy; permit src=hosta, src=hostb, dst=hosta, dst=hostb; output is same rulechain; fwd is same, but bidir; |
| 18:53.45 | nvz | wols_: I gotta learn iptables eventually.. heh |
| 18:53.58 | xingu | nvz: err s/deny policy;/deny policy; input table/ |
| 18:54.27 | nvz | I dont really understand wtf tables and chains and shit are.. so the docs are confusing the shit out of me |
| 18:54.36 | nvz | I don't understand the terminology |
| 18:54.38 | xingu | nvz: oh; you need to go read/ play then |
| 18:54.52 | xingu | nvz: sorry, but irc ain't the place for a cram session, get thee to a labbery |
| 18:54.59 | nvz | I am reading but its not making any sense cause I don't underand the lingo |
| 18:55.34 | cmacis | can anyone make sense of this error message? http://pastie.caboo.se/95298 |
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| 18:55.45 | xingu | nvz: nb, you can do better than just src/dst too; you can think about flow state - ie, are we sourcing or sinking the flow; and use the state and related matches to filter as per req. |
| 18:56.13 | xingu | nvz: yep it's all vertical I'm afraid but you have to bootstrap otherwise your filter won't match your req.; no easy way about it, you just gotta go learn. |
| 18:56.27 | xingu | nvz: the good news is that it's transferrable hence the domain-specific lex. |
| 18:58.02 | xingu | nvz: the basic construct is pretty straightforward and there's some good diagrammes on it that will help - look for one that explains *where* in a packet's lifetime each table is applied |
| 18:58.07 | LordWolF | ok |
| 18:58.11 | nvz | xingu: I could learn if I had a damn iptables dictionary somewhere |
| 18:58.13 | LordWolF | how to di start x again |
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| 18:58.44 | nvz | xingu: I'm not groking anything you're saying or the docs say cause I don't know what a table is other than a flat surface with four legs, and a chain is made up of metal links |
| 18:58.47 | xingu | nvz: work from that understanding/ model to pick up the required language for how to build the right filter for each phase of the lifecycle |
| 19:00.00 | c0rnd0g | xingu: laugh quietly, we are all struggling to forward testing :D ... |
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| 19:00.17 | xingu | nvz: "table" ~= "chain"; the packet filtering policy framework has changed 3x in the kernel; from ipfwadm to ipchains to iptables |
| 19:00.39 | xingu | nvz: so they're two terms for two implementations of the same underlying concept |
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| 19:00.48 | coolb_ | http://www.bruceblacklaws.com/counter/click.php?id=6 |
| 19:01.00 | xingu | nvz: being - you have a list which is applied to packet processing as the packet moves across the router |
| 19:01.12 | xingu | nvz: well, a list at each stage of packet processing |
| 19:01.14 | nvz | xingu: the documents use both table and chain.. why does the manpage say iptables -t _table_ -N _chain_ if they mean the same thing |
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| 19:01.21 | c0rnd0g | xingu: the interval of time has been drastically slow...iptables since 1999? |
| 19:01.30 | Sebboh- | metal links. =) |
| 19:01.32 | xingu | nvz: hence the suggestion to wrap your noodle around a diagramme *first* |
| 19:01.40 | Sebboh- | bbl guys n gals. |
| 19:02.01 | xingu | nvz: because iptables can nest multiple chains within a table hence ~= not == |
| 19:02.40 | Gm4n | !sarge -> etch |
| 19:02.53 | c0rnd0g | Gm4n: i see |
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| 19:03.06 | xingu | nvz: again the concept is a set of lists of rules; the index into the set (iptables table, ipchains chain) is what phase the packet is at in being forwarded across the firewall |
| 19:03.13 | c0rnd0g | Gm4n: mix of etch/lenny here and ok so far, even selinux compliant //offtopic// |
| 19:03.18 | abrotman | !tell Gm4n about sarge->etch |
| 19:03.29 | xingu | nvz: the list of rules is the actual filtering statements within that table/chain. |
| 19:03.36 | Gm4n | thank you, abrotman =) |
| 19:03.39 | c0rnd0g | Gm4n: and btw selinux stretches past N.A. borders... :) |
| 19:03.51 | xingu | nvz: iptables can *nest* chains (it can branch to nested sub-chains) |
| 19:03.54 | Gm4n | selinux? |
| 19:03.54 | nvz | hmm. iptables -d 192.168.1.254 -j ACCEPT && iptables -d 192.168.1.0/24 -j DROP seems like a start |
| 19:05.00 | Gm4n | ah, nice |
| 19:05.12 | nvz | the router is 192.168.1.1, the bridge firewall is 192.168.1.254 and the box behind it is 192.168.1.104 right now, but its currently dynamic, I'm gonna change that.. and I dont know what the IPs are on the other boxes I don't want those two to have access to but its somewhere in that network range |
| 19:06.00 | xingu | nvz: just to really mess with you, ebtables can filter at the datalink-layer (ie, at the frame level) |
| 19:06.27 | xingu | nvz: and also, iptables has a mac-address match; so you could permit any src/dst from/to a given ethernet address on-lan |
| 19:06.35 | xingu | nvz: lots of options, lots of design choices. |
| 19:06.47 | nvz | xingu: yeah I was reading up on that. |
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| 19:07.35 | xingu | nvz: but specifically for your application I *would* make your translucent firewall care about flow *state* and I *would* use the state/related matches. |
| 19:07.49 | cast | ok...that wasnt' the best plan ever. cd ~/ ; hg init; hg add .bashrc .bash_profile .irssi/config .vimrc; hg st -mardc....lots and lots of disk thrashing going on till it finally returns |
| 19:07.59 | nvz | xingu: I'm just trying to drop any packets from 192.168.1.104 or 192.168.1.254 destined for anywhere but those two machines or outside |
| 19:08.56 | nvz | those two machines are the only two that need to talk to each other, they aren't friendly with the rest of the network :P |
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| 19:09.18 | xingu | nvz: and that's a laudable goal but I'd say wind it in tighter and care about flow state; if the protected host should only be an initiator for a given application, only permit that |
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| 19:09.39 | xingu | nvz: ... if it should only be a target - again filter for that with state/related. |
| 19:10.04 | xingu | nvz: but have "fun" anyway |
| 19:10.16 | nvz | xingu: heh, I will. |
| 19:11.14 | xingu | nvz: here's another concept I'll bounce off you |
| 19:11.59 | xingu | nvz: because the bridge is translucent and not a routed hop - don't put it in the 192.168.1.x segment at all; instead, use 802.1q vlans to give it a routed address in an entirely different network |
| 19:12.42 | xingu | nvz: reason being, there's absolutely no reason to make that network (the one the firewall and its router reside in) reachable to anything except your management workstation |
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| 19:13.24 | is_null | hello everybody, i assume that netinst changed name to netboot ? |
| 19:13.43 | nvz | xingu: if I'm gonna do that, I might as well solve several problems and throw the linksys router in the trash and just setup a router instead of a bridge |
| 19:13.50 | is_null | i am in ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386 |
| 19:13.58 | nvz | xingu: this damn linksys router keeps dropping my packets after like 5 minutes of inactivity |
| 19:14.00 | is_null | ah it's pxe my bad |
| 19:14.13 | nvz | xingu: I have to run watch ls, when I am chatting here to stop my ssh session from locking up |
| 19:14.24 | xingu | nvz: ouch; it's stateful, and the state times out at 5min |
| 19:14.31 | xingu | nvz: openwrt it ;) |
| 19:14.45 | nvz | throwing it away sounds good |
| 19:15.05 | nvz | I dont know much about openwrt or if I can do that with what we got |
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| 19:15.08 | is_null | where is the netinst iso please ? i am in ftp.debian.org/dists/stable/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom but i can't find it ... |
| 19:15.24 | jesseboy12 | has anyone every setup sendmail as a client in debian? |
| 19:15.37 | wols_ | !sendmail |
| 19:15.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use <nullmailer>, esmtp, <exim4> or <postfix> instead. see the oreilly book of the same name. |
| 19:15.38 | xingu | nvz: anyway; that's (the separation of management and data plane) a goal a bit further down the track |
| 19:15.39 | jesseboy12 | if so, how do you do it |
| 19:16.11 | feklee_ | When I try to run "dpkg -i msttcorefonts_1.8_all.deb", it fails downloading many files, probably due to a timeout setting that is too strict. |
| 19:16.13 | xingu | nvz: but if the protected host is highly visible, it's one worth pursuing |
| 19:16.17 | feklee_ | Any idea how to work around this? |
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| 19:17.02 | nvz | xingu: I'm not trying to protect any hosts I'm just trying to shut up some morons :P |
| 19:17.10 | JordiGH | Hm, I'm updating to the testing apt. |
| 19:17.18 | JordiGH | Let's hope it's not broken. :-) |
| 19:17.44 | nvz | xingu: they are worried the secretary can login to the police computers, I already made the point that if they have accessible services runninig they are already screwed |
| 19:17.54 | is_null | any help please ? i don't want to get it from the website to save their brandwidth, i wish to get it from the ftp mirror supplied by my isp |
| 19:18.44 | xingu | nvz: sounds like they've asked you to remediate in a budget-free manner too :) |
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| 19:19.42 | wols_ | nvz: security-wise, you locking down the secretary PC doesn't do squat. do they know this? |
| 19:19.42 | is_null | and debian.org is too slow : 220.82K/s ... |
| 19:19.53 | nvz | xingu: they didn't ask me to do anything.. heh.. I'm just managing a webserver. They are blaming me for breaking laws.. when they've been on the same network for over a decade |
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| 19:20.01 | JordiGH | is_null: What's your question? |
| 19:20.57 | JordiGH | Dang, 220.8 kB/s is slow? You people are so spoiled. |
| 19:20.58 | nvz | wols_: they dont care.. issue is XP didn't show the LeetsdalePD workgroup when you clicked on my network places cause she's on a different workgroup.. vista on her new pc is smart enough to browse for other workgroups so they think they are now on the same network, when they have always been on the same network |
| 19:21.01 | dalias | hmm i have a weird issue. if i'm using uim-toolbar-gtk (input method control toolbar), it stays on top of my photo viewing in gqview, even when i activate fullscreen mode. |
| 19:21.11 | is_null | JordiGH: hi, where is the netinst image from ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian please ? |
| 19:21.20 | JordiGH | is_null: Use bittorrent. |
| 19:21.29 | dalias | any idea if this is a bug in gqview (not forcing itself on top like it should) or uim-toolbar-gtk or possibly even the window manager? |
| 19:21.36 | is_null | JordiGH: no, my isp provides a fast mirror, i just can't find the path |
| 19:21.45 | JordiGH | is_null: What's your ISP? |
| 19:21.58 | is_null | JordiGH: ftp.free.fr/mirrors |
| 19:22.02 | xingu | nvz: just turn vista's discovery off, easy enough to do |
| 19:22.11 | xingu | nvz: "all secure, see? no networks..." |
| 19:22.16 | nvz | xingu: I don't know sqyat about windows |
| 19:22.20 | JordiGH | is_null: You want stable |
| 19:22.21 | JordiGH | ? |
| 19:22.25 | is_null | JordiGH: yes |
| 19:22.31 | nvz | and don't care either |
| 19:23.12 | Gm4n | I've been reading the etch release notes for x86, and I see that most of the reasons for a careful upgrade are to keep from losing installed packages. However, my server's host offers a reimage, and I was considering "Debian 3.1 (stable/sarge) minimal system (64 bit)". If I have that vanilla image, can I just apt-get dist upgrade? |
| 19:23.49 | wols_ | !tell Gm4n about sarge->etch |
| 19:24.10 | JordiGH | is_null: There isn't a free.fr mirror listed. |
| 19:24.14 | Gm4n | wols_: I read that, but it seems to be mostly to avoid package conflicts |
| 19:24.24 | Gm4n | if it's a brand new reimage, should it matter? |
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| 19:24.36 | is_null | JordiGH: maybe it's unofficial, i got all my gentoo images and packages from there |
| 19:24.59 | JordiGH | is_null: So why would it have Debian images? |
| 19:25.16 | is_null | because it has a concrete mirror of ftp.debian.org |
| 19:25.19 | JordiGH | debian.free.fr |
| 19:25.38 | is_null | JordiGH: that is a user-website |
| 19:26.00 | JordiGH | is_null: Having a mirror of the actual archive and hosting CD images are two separate things. |
| 19:26.12 | is_null | JordiGH: i understand, thanks |
| 19:26.21 | is_null | i'll give the torrent a try |
| 19:27.08 | is_null | JordiGH: indeed ! ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/debian-cd |
| 19:28.05 | JordiGH | Well, there you go. |
| 19:28.16 | JordiGH | Why do people still use ftp, I wonder? |
| 19:28.31 | stoned | because they want to |
| 19:28.45 | JordiGH | stoned: I miss the good ol' gopher days. |
| 19:28.46 | is_null | JordiGH: because ETA 02:47 |
| 19:28.55 | stoned | I never used it much |
| 19:29.01 | stoned | only for research in 8th grade |
| 19:29.07 | xingu | because webdav isn't supported terribly well hence http is mostly unidirectional and scp just stinks. |
| 19:29.09 | stoned | ages ago |
| 19:29.30 | JordiGH | xingu: It's not like I'm going to be uploading anything to ftp.free.fr |
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| 19:29.43 | xingu | that wasn't the question you asked though |
| 19:29.47 | stoned | problem is |
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| 19:29.54 | stoned | live and let use ftp |
| 19:30.00 | stoned | etc. |
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| 19:30.24 | stoned | you don't want to use ftp, you don't have to |
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| 19:30.38 | JordiGH | Well... |
| 19:30.45 | JordiGH | In this case, you do, if you want to get the image from free.fr |
| 19:30.56 | is_null | JordiGH: i'm pretty sure that if you ask them to make a mirror for your distro, you'll upload stuff on it |
| 19:31.19 | is_null | and then poeple can download at 1.5MBps on it |
| 19:31.29 | LordWolF | haha |
| 19:31.31 | LordWolF | this is crazy |
| 19:31.36 | stoned | it is? |
| 19:31.37 | LordWolF | im trying to learn debian |
| 19:31.50 | LordWolF | so i dl vpc and vmware |
| 19:31.52 | stoned | why is it crazy? |
| 19:32.19 | is_null | to me, bittorrent is just a waste of time and particularely of brandwidth |
| 19:32.45 | guk | bittorrent is pretty quick and smooth if you have networking HW that can handle it |
| 19:32.55 | guk | most home DSL/Cable routers shit bricks when trying to deal with it |
| 19:33.00 | LordWolF | to try them out, in vpc it goes a lil slow with the install and im having issues with my gui im unabel to see it, on the other hand in vmware the cd didn't install the gui at all |
| 19:33.11 | stoned | guk: not really a HW problem |
| 19:33.11 | JordiGH | Actually, bittorrent is *precisely* how you do not waste bandwidth, at least at a social level. |
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| 19:33.13 | xingu | if you're drunk enough, it's possible to misparse bittorrent as bitrotten |
| 19:33.18 | is_null | guk: that is part of what i said |
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| 19:33.20 | wawowe | i have a cross over cable connected to my extra ethernet card and another computer, but the lights will not come on and i can't ping it, anyone have an idea of why? |
| 19:33.24 | stoned | guk: mostly the operating system on those routers suck |
| 19:33.27 | LordWolF | is crazy im telling ya |
| 19:33.30 | guk | yeah ... |
| 19:33.41 | stoned | guk: I have a 16mb ram linksys wrt54g and it runs great with ddwrt |
| 19:33.52 | xingu | does torrent do tcp yet or is it still stuck in the stone age? |
| 19:33.56 | guk | I got a v4 dd-wrt wrt54gs |
| 19:34.02 | guk | umm ? torrents never used udp ? |
| 19:34.09 | guk | only for the Distributed Tracker |
| 19:34.14 | xingu | fair do |
| 19:34.16 | guk | which is not "officially" a part of bittorrent |
| 19:35.02 | xingu | all these peer to peer protocols start to look the same after a while, you lose interest in digging into them |
| 19:35.17 | JordiGH | I recently went to a talk on how to use bittorrent for streaming video. |
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| 19:35.26 | JordiGH | Interesting concept, but I can't imagine it could ever work. |
| 19:35.46 | guk | no ... bittorrent should not be used for anything but piracy ...im not putting out my bandwidth for some .com corporation to profit off of |
| 19:35.52 | guk | i'll use it for piracy and OSS |
| 19:35.53 | guk | that's it |
| 19:35.58 | JordiGH | BT is way more different than other p2p protocols. It's no coincidence that by some estimates it accounts for about 50% of current internet traffic. |
| 19:36.10 | guk | it requires people to share ;) |
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| 19:38.01 | stoned | what? |
| 19:38.03 | simonrvn | bt, spam, and youtube |
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| 19:38.26 | stoned | simonrvn: hi |
| 19:38.31 | simonrvn | hi |
| 19:38.43 | Rhoruns | woot! i finally got this dual-xeon workstation to work! |
| 19:38.44 | stoned | jelly-home: well shit rich boy, send me some money here too |
| 19:38.54 | Rhoruns | should i put debian on it? :D |
| 19:38.54 | is_null | what DM is the more stable for an old machine ? i only use mosaic wm but it's not for me |
| 19:39.07 | stoned | is_null: try xfce |
| 19:39.19 | stoned | is_null: i like to use windowmaker and fluxbox |
| 19:39.20 | JordiGH | is_null: Emacs. |
| 19:39.30 | stoned | fsck emacs |
| 19:39.40 | jelly-home | stoned: no problem, make me a script that converts apache 1.3 to apache 2.2 config an' I'll send you half the money I get from it :-) |
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| 19:39.49 | JordiGH | Hm, /dev/emacs? Interesting concept. |
| 19:39.53 | is_null | i ignored than Emacs was a DM, in that case, so is sh |
| 19:40.00 | stoned | bah, if I could do that, I'd sell it myself and keep ALL the money |
| 19:40.13 | JordiGH | is_null: Well, screen is a dm. :-) |
| 19:40.15 | is_null | thanks for the tip stoned |
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| 19:40.18 | is_null | hehehe |
| 19:40.36 | jelly-home | stoned: so you're telling you are customers for that too? |
| 19:40.43 | jelly-home | s/are/have/ |
| 19:40.57 | stoned | jelly-home: I'm sure I could find them |
| 19:41.12 | Rhoruns | hey could someone here shed some light on ECC ram? i have a base knowledge of what ECC is, but in what applications would i get benefits from ECC? |
| 19:41.22 | alaya | hi |
| 19:41.37 | JordiGH | !greet Alam_Debian |
| 19:41.37 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Alam_Debian |
| 19:41.45 | JordiGH | !greet alaya |
| 19:41.45 | dpkg | Welcome, alaya |
| 19:41.58 | rahul | Rhoruns: none |
| 19:41.58 | stiv2k | hi... what happened to this package? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/network-manager-gnome |
| 19:42.03 | Rhoruns | really? rofl |
| 19:42.04 | rahul | Rhoruns: it has to do with your motherboard |
| 19:42.06 | wawowe | ok, another question, instead of getting my cross over cable to work, how can i forword everything from my extra ethernet card to the other one |
| 19:42.06 | alaya | thanks |
| 19:42.11 | Rhoruns | ah |
| 19:42.11 | jelly-home | Rhoruns: any applications. preferably for machines running services that need long uptime |
| 19:42.12 | rahul | Rhoruns: it's for stability, not performance |
| 19:42.20 | Rhoruns | i understand :) |
| 19:42.24 | alaya | Rhoruns: i just googled for ecc ram linux and got a bunch of hits |
| 19:42.31 | stoned | haha |
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| 19:42.32 | stoned | burn |
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| 19:42.47 | stoned | !jfgi |
| 19:42.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 19:43.00 | Rhoruns | so, less of a chance of data-corruption from prolonged use?? |
| 19:43.08 | wawowe | by iptables or any other way |
| 19:43.09 | jelly-home | indeedy |
| 19:43.14 | alaya | wawowe: both cards on same machine? |
| 19:43.18 | wawowe | yes |
| 19:43.33 | rahul | Rhoruns: you can get more details in #hardware |
| 19:43.42 | Rhoruns | ah, thanks. didnt know that existed :) |
| 19:43.52 | alaya | wawowe: one nic faces the 'net, the other faces a lan? |
| 19:44.22 | wawowe | alaya, one faces lan and other faces xbox |
| 19:44.37 | johnadsfsdfdf | im running a default install of etch, how do i setup exim so that system mail can be sent? for example the output from my cron jobs should be sent out but none of the users get mail... ive been checking via `mail` at the command line |
| 19:44.49 | JordiGH | If it's a geek topic, Freenode probably has a channel for it. |
| 19:44.54 | wawowe | alaya, i want to get my xbox on the network without a crossover cable |
| 19:44.57 | alaya | wawowe: you want the xbox to be able to access the 'net through it? |
| 19:44.59 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:45.11 | johnadsfsdfdf | petemc to the rescue again! |
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| 19:45.18 | petemc | :) |
| 19:45.35 | wawowe | alaya, that would be nice, but i would be satisfied if the computer and the xbox could just communicate |
| 19:45.38 | petemc | wawowe: is the nic in your pc gigabit? |
| 19:45.40 | alaya | wawowe: then just set up a simple iptables NAT masquerade rule |
| 19:45.57 | johnadsfsdfdf | im going to have to get a real name for freenode, ive been in here so frequently lately... you're all a big help |
| 19:46.02 | wawowe | petemc, nope |
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| 19:46.07 | alaya | wawowe: and remember to enable ip_forwarding in the kernel |
| 19:46.30 | petemc | wawowe: then you'll need to use a cross over cable to connect them directly, or use a switch |
| 19:46.51 | alaya | wawowe: the xbox-facing nic's address becomes the default gw for the xbox |
| 19:46.59 | wawowe | alaya, is it enabled by default in debian kernels or will i have to recompile |
| 19:47.21 | alaya | wawowe: its a sysctl which you enable with a simple command |
| 19:48.07 | alaya | wawowe: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward you can also add it to /etc/sysctlc.conf |
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| 19:51.05 | wawowe | alaya, do you have any examples of iptables commands i could use? |
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| 19:51.26 | alaya | http://cui.unige.ch/DI/cours/TechInternet/Fichiers/rc.firewall-2.4 |
| 19:52.08 | wawowe | thanks :) |
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| 19:52.49 | johnadsfsdfdf | petemc: any preference between mbox and maildir format? |
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| 19:53.08 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: i prefer maildir |
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| 19:55.50 | ericrw | hello |
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| 19:57.09 | ryancc | Hey, quick question, is there a way to manualy redirect a file using dpkg? IE, anytime, /bin/foo unpacks I want it to unpack to /bin/foo.real instead.... |
| 19:57.50 | wols_ | ryancc: no |
| 19:58.04 | ryancc | aren't there packages that do that? |
| 19:58.23 | wols_ | no |
| 19:58.24 | ericrw | I'm seeing something very unusual on a newly installed 'etch' machine. |
| 19:58.49 | johnadsfsdfdf | petemc: got exim configured, sent a test email from my gmail account... a Maildir was created with the message in the new folder in my home dir, but when i run `mail` i get "No Mail for john" how did i miss configuring something |
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| 19:59.02 | ericrw | I'm running bash, and have grep installed, yet IÂ get: |
| 19:59.04 | ericrw | # echo "hello"Â |Â grep hello |
| 19:59.04 | ericrw | -bash: Â grep: command not found |
| 19:59.06 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: mail doesnt do maildir, i guess |
| 19:59.11 | johnadsfsdfdf | ah |
| 19:59.30 | ericrw | IÂ get this error even if IÂ explicitly do "| /bin/grep".. or if IÂ use a bash built-in. |
| 19:59.37 | johnadsfsdfdf | does exim do the .forward thing? |
| 19:59.37 | ericrw | it simply seems that pipes do not work. |
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| 19:59.58 | ericrw | IÂ have checked my bash's .deb file's md5sum and it matched that on packages.debian.org. |
| 20:00.01 | petemc | johnadsfsdfdf: yes |
| 20:00.08 | ericrw | (and even reinstalled the .deb just in case) |
| 20:00.13 | johnadsfsdfdf | great, that's what i need... thanks |
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| 20:02.31 | mmlj4 | walmart-- |
| 20:02.32 | SF7D | tar xvf X.tar fails (error: 'this doesnt look like a tar archive'). but it unpacks in XP. whats going on? |
| 20:03.19 | ericrw | SF7D, run 'file' against it. Are you sure it isn't a gzip or bzip2 file (and the tool in Windows isn't figuring this out automatically?) |
| 20:04.06 | SF7D | oh its gzip. |
| 20:04.09 | riot | what is cryptsetup -y create home /dev/hda10 trying to tell me by "device-mapper: table: 254:0: crypt: Device Lookup failed"?? |
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| 20:06.09 | SF7D | how to get the total size of a folder? (inc subf's) |
| 20:06.20 | sysfault | is it possible to grab any packages, particularly in my case 'dynamips and dynagen' out of sid non-free? |
| 20:07.03 | sysfault | I'm using a stable install however. |
| 20:07.29 | alaya | !tell sysfault about simple sid backport |
| 20:08.03 | alaya | sysfault: don't install sid packages, backport them per the factoid info |
| 20:08.04 | Xenguy | SF7D: du -ch directory-name |
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| 20:08.25 | Xenguy | SF7D: or if you are in the directory itself: du -ch . |
| 20:08.29 | sysfault | alaya: per factoid info? |
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| 20:08.55 | bdheeman | hi, friends! |
| 20:09.04 | sysfault | looking at the backporting howto now. |
| 20:09.33 | riot | ah, ok, solved.. do not cryptsetup MOUNTED partitions.. (but the error-message is REALLY stupid) |
| 20:09.43 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.37 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.45 | alaya | SF7D: du -sh for a summary total of the dir |
| 20:11.26 | SF7 | but I think it is a typo - the file is gunzip -c an4_sphere.tar.gz | tar xf - |
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| 20:11.36 | SF7 | sorry i say that again: |
| 20:11.54 | SF7 | but I think it is a typo - the file is an4_sphere.tar.tar not .gz |
| 20:11.56 | alaya | tar -xzvf file.tar.gz |
| 20:12.05 | sysfault | alaya: per factoid info? |
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| 20:12.23 | alaya | sysfault: yes the factoid info via !tell |
| 20:12.51 | c_newbie | hi |
| 20:13.00 | dalias | is there a global way to make gtk-2 apps use small image-only toolbars without text? |
| 20:13.11 | c_newbie | in installation ive create 2 x raid 1 (4 hardrive) |
| 20:13.15 | c_newbie | how to make it become raid 10? |
| 20:13.22 | dalias | i have several apps with no preference settings themselves, and in which the toolbar is way too big to fit on the screen with text in it |
| 20:13.36 | alaya | dalias: gconftool or gconftool-2 perhaps? |
| 20:14.04 | dalias | that's only used if you use gnome |
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| 20:14.15 | dalias | i mean in the .gtkrc-2.0 or whatever |
| 20:14.32 | c_newbie | why i cant make another raid 0 for md0 (from 1st raid1) and md7 (from 2nd raid1) |
| 20:15.02 | war | c_newbie: you cannot boot from raid10 anyway |
| 20:15.06 | war | c_newbie: read mdadm man page |
| 20:15.12 | c_newbie | oh |
| 20:15.21 | c_newbie | so i need to create the 1st bootable thing |
| 20:15.39 | c_newbie | which mean i only need create the 1st raid1? |
| 20:15.40 | bdheeman | I'm trying to build a package which uses make files generated by automake and then configure, I need to patch _configure_ and some other files, the package builds fine. My problem is when I run 'fakeroot debian/rules clean', it starts re-configuring :( How do I avoid this? it takes a lot of time just to clean due to this un-wanted behavior. |
| 20:15.48 | SF7D | http://pastebin.com/m2580af69 this error when unzipping |
| 20:15.49 | war | c_newbie: its in teh docs |
| 20:16.03 | SF7D | is this a prob in the zipfile, or how I'm extracting? |
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| 20:16.25 | war | SF7: looks corrupted |
| 20:16.42 | war | SF7D: but type: file an4_sphere.tar.tar |
| 20:16.46 | dalias | alaya, never mind, i found a website with some example |
| 20:16.57 | c_newbie | war: would you teach me how to create raid 10 with software raid? |
| 20:17.05 | war | c_newbie: nope would take too long |
| 20:17.08 | war | c_newbie: don't have the time |
| 20:17.10 | alaya | SF7D: um, .tar.tar? wtf? |
| 20:17.18 | war | alaya: my thought too |
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| 20:18.19 | SF7 | something is wrong in the Tutorial. they say it is .tar.gz but when I click on the link it downloads as .tar.tar |
| 20:18.28 | war | you downloaded it in windows |
| 20:18.34 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.43 | war | SF7: mv file file.tar.gz |
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| 20:18.46 | war | SF7: tar zxvf file.tar.gz |
| 20:18.50 | war | SF7: can also try tar xvf file.tar |
| 20:18.55 | alaya | SF7: untar it first, without the -z switch. then run file command on the result and see what it says |
| 20:18.59 | war | windows may have already gzipped it for you |
| 20:19.02 | war | gunzipped |
| 20:19.18 | c_newbie | its only 5 minutes tho |
| 20:19.46 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.53 | war | SF7: copy the link |
| 20:20.00 | war | SF7: type wget http://blah/file.tar.gz |
| 20:20.05 | war | SF7: tar zxvf file.tar.gz |
| 20:20.08 | war | SF7: problem solved |
| 20:20.42 | amphi | SF7: what does file(1) say it is? |
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| 20:24.48 | SF7 | wait overload ive got like 3 suggestions on what to do next |
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| 20:25.10 | amphi | stack failure... |
| 20:25.18 | SF7 | ;] |
| 20:25.21 | SF7 | stacking it |
| 20:25.30 | simonrvn | heap overflow error |
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| 20:26.06 | JordiGH | Human stacks are puny. They only hold about three objects, four in the best of cases. |
| 20:26.31 | simonrvn | they're expandable however |
| 20:26.32 | JordiGH | This is why I can parse "people love people" and "people people love love people" but not "people people people love love love people". |
| 20:26.56 | sophacles | does apt-get upgrade ignore APT::Defualt-Release? |
| 20:27.20 | JordiGH | sophacles: No, of course not. Unless you have a syntax error. ;-) |
| 20:27.31 | SF7 | seeing as XP is doing a good job of extracting the archive (albeit very slowly) I'll just copy across |
| 20:27.38 | nvz | JordiGH: uh.. I can parse all of those, and none of them make any sense |
| 20:28.03 | JordiGH | nvz: "People love people", then "the people that love people themselves are people who love people". I can't do the third one, though. |
| 20:28.11 | SF7 | that is good - I cannot do the third one! |
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| 20:28.14 | sophacles | JordiGH, strange, as when i install a package it defualts right, but apt-get upgrade tries to get all sid packages (and i have default at stable) |
| 20:28.28 | sophacles | it is however a mixed system |
| 20:28.33 | JordiGH | sophacles: What's your apt.conf? And do you already have unstable packages installed? |
| 20:28.45 | simonrvn | people who love people are people that love people that love people |
| 20:28.50 | JordiGH | sophacles: You're mixing stable and unstable? Naughty, naughty. |
| 20:28.55 | sophacles | i know |
| 20:29.00 | sophacles | its evil of me |
| 20:29.01 | nvz | JordiGH: Joni said, that Timothy said, that Adam said, that Ryan said, that George says he really likes Dana |
| 20:29.15 | JordiGH | simonrvn: You just parsed the second one. Not the third. |
| 20:29.24 | simonrvn | nope |
| 20:29.48 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Yes, count it. There's only one "people" in your stack. You need two and to pop the top two to get to the third. |
| 20:30.06 | simonrvn | oh yeh, missed one :) |
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| 20:30.16 | nvz | JordiGH: but he doesn like like her, he just likes to like her, like you know what I mean? |
| 20:30.19 | SF7 | grammar stacks are fun too: eating, being eaten, had been eaten, had been being eaten, ... |
| 20:30.27 | sophacles | JordiGH, is it one of those things that running a mixed system "breaks"? |
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| 20:30.55 | JordiGH | sophacles: Which libc6 do you have? |
| 20:31.07 | JordiGH | sophacles: If it's not the stable one, then you are effectively running sid. |
| 20:31.16 | simonrvn | people that people that people love love people that love people # or something |
| 20:31.31 | SF7 | haha |
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| 20:32.06 | sophacles | JordiGH, really? |
| 20:32.15 | sophacles | JordiGH, pls expalin further |
| 20:32.35 | nvz | speaking of my hair.. I should probably go wash it.. when you got shoulder length hair it gets pretty nappy pretty easily |
| 20:32.44 | c_newbie | hm |
| 20:32.47 | JordiGH | sophacles: Virtually everything depends on libc6. |
| 20:32.48 | simonrvn | oh duh, that's why i'm getting a lot of attempts on ssh, it's saturday |
| 20:32.54 | c_newbie | why raid 0 is better writing than raid 10 |
| 20:33.01 | simonrvn | nvz: yeh it does |
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| 20:33.42 | simonrvn | i have it past my shoulders, and gonna grow it even more. makes a decent-looking braid now |
| 20:33.49 | c_newbie | why i have to make 4 hd with raid 1+0 instead 4 hd with raid 0 only |
| 20:33.58 | JordiGH | sophacles: I run a testing/unstable system, but most of the time I'm using the testing libc6. |
| 20:33.58 | c_newbie | thou raid 0 is fastest of all |
| 20:34.03 | infinity0 | how do you change a file/directory's owner? |
| 20:34.13 | simonrvn | info chmod |
| 20:34.17 | simonrvn | er chown |
| 20:34.17 | SF7 | i saw a triple bullshit-wrapper on a campus bus the other day: "we would like to seek your co-operation in moving to the back of the bus" |
| 20:34.36 | JordiGH | simonrvn: More correctly, "info coreutils chown". |
| 20:34.39 | simonrvn | wow, fuck |
| 20:34.46 | simonrvn | JordiGH: ooh |
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| 20:34.53 | nvz | simonrvn: hah.. I don't know that I want mine that long again.. I'm just thinning out a little on the top compared to the rest.. I figured once the top gets long enough I'd get it layered so that the sides and back looks thinner and it all looks about the same :P |
| 20:35.07 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:35.09 | Jonah_ | hi quick question, can you use ubuntu debs to install on debian etch? |
| 20:35.11 | nvz | simonrvn: maybe like a Johnny Resnik kinda look without the highlights |
| 20:35.17 | Jonah_ | just some of the etch stuff is a bit old |
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| 20:35.22 | JordiGH | Jonah_: No. |
| 20:35.24 | ice63 | the installer for lenny works good for this old box pIII 500 |
| 20:35.28 | simonrvn | Jonah_: no |
| 20:35.47 | Jonah_ | ok oh well thanks anyway |
| 20:35.49 | amphi | !tell Jonah_ about backports |
| 20:35.50 | JordiGH | Jonah_: Live with the old. We like old. Old is stable. Go get your gutsy gibbon if you really want the newest, buggiest, bleedingest edge. |
| 20:35.57 | JordiGH | too late. |
| 20:35.58 | simonrvn | i'll probably start thinning when i'm dead |
| 20:36.15 | abrotman | tubby bitch :) |
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| 20:36.54 | stefan_ | okay uhm |
| 20:36.55 | stefan_ | hi |
| 20:37.03 | stefan_ | I still can't make my soundcard working |
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| 20:37.09 | JordiGH | Jonah_: Do you want new just for the sake of new or because there's actual newer functionality that you require? |
| 20:37.22 | JordiGH | Jonah_: In the second case, you can use backports. |
| 20:37.28 | nvz | hmm thats Johnny Rzeznik.. hah.. thats weird I never knew thats how he spelled it |
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| 20:37.45 | JordiGH | Jonah_: Or use debian testing, which is usually pretty good for this fabled "desktop use". |
| 20:38.11 | Jonah_ | JordiGH, no it's just one thing really, there is a bug in gaim/pidgin that annoys me but has been fixed in latest version |
| 20:38.26 | Jonah_ | JordiGH, and i'd quite like a newer openoffice too |
| 20:38.34 | infinity0 | hey guys is there a GUI app that lets me view the packages in apt-cache? |
| 20:38.49 | JordiGH | Jonah_: I just uploaded to the newer testing pidgin. If it's just one app, you might prefer to backport pidgin to etch. |
| 20:38.52 | nvz | in any case I think he and Bon Jovi like totally got the same hair do going on |
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| 20:39.08 | JordiGH | I have no idea why I have pidgin if I use Kopete all the time. Dotdeb gluttony, I guess. |
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| 20:39.44 | nvz | I don't really like either of their hair, I just wanna go for the messy kinda look they got |
| 20:39.52 | Jonah_ | JordiGH, how do i backport it though? i want to stick with etch but just add a couple of things in |
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| 20:40.15 | JordiGH | Jonah_: Someone may have already one it for you. backports.org |
| 20:40.18 | JordiGH | Jonah_: If not... |
| 20:40.23 | JordiGH | !tell Jonah_ about simple sid backport |
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| 20:41.46 | pipeline | JordiGH: because kopete is broken :P |
| 20:41.49 | SF7 | I got my thumbdrive reading. but if I unplug it, copy some files onto it and plug it in again, it doesn't show these new files |
| 20:41.56 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.16 | amphi | SF7: er, yes |
| 20:42.31 | amphi | SF7: and umount it before removing it |
| 20:42.32 | LinuxBlues | Jonah_, http://rs34.rapidshare.com/files/31547594/pidgin_2.0.0-1-386.deb (i386 only!) |
| 20:42.39 | JordiGH | pipeline: How? |
| 20:42.42 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.49 | abrotman | he can use backports.org ? |
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| 20:43.11 | stefan_ | what can I do wih my soundcard |
| 20:43.16 | stefan_ | it ain't no use on debian |
| 20:43.21 | stefan_ | I can just throw it away |
| 20:43.29 | SF7 | it wont let me umount.. it says it is busy |
| 20:43.44 | stefan_ | I might as well have bought a pc without one if I knew I needed to use debian |
| 20:43.49 | stefan_ | alsa mofos |
| 20:43.51 | JordiGH | SF7: There's no autodetection that you're about to yank out the USB pendrive before Linux decides to write the data to it, no. The computer isn't psychic and it knows better than you do when it's done with a medium. |
| 20:43.54 | stefan_ | beat they ass to the death |
| 20:44.50 | JordiGH | SF7: Then close whatever app is still using your pendrive. |
| 20:44.53 | stefan_ | should I get another pc so that sound works on my debian ? |
| 20:45.06 | pipeline | JordiGH: Bad XMPP support. :P |
| 20:45.12 | JordiGH | stefan_: Are you going to ask us to help you with your soundcard by giving us the model number and the exact error? |
| 20:45.14 | stefan_ | SF7: just do a lsof /dev/whateverisyourpendrive |
| 20:45.19 | stefan_ | SF7: and then close those |
| 20:45.21 | SF7 | <-- durrh :) close me explorer window thanks |
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| 20:45.27 | JordiGH | pipeline: Hm, really? I use my Gmail account all the time, seems to work fine. How is it bad/ |
| 20:45.27 | JordiGH | ? |
| 20:45.33 | stefan_ | JordiGH: how may I get those ? |
| 20:45.51 | pipeline | JordiGH: not 100% compatible. Some of my jabber accounts work, some don't. That's not a problem with libpurple-based clients. |
| 20:45.58 | JordiGH | stefan_: lspci will probably list your sound card. |
| 20:46.01 | Gm4n | I'd help myself, but I don't know how to ask debhelper... what is the correct package file for debian sarge? I'm trying to make sure my system is totally updated before I upgrade to etch, and my host has some custom sources in the default file. |
| 20:46.25 | simonrvn | debhelper doesn't do that |
| 20:46.46 | Gm4n | ah, so should I ask google, then? |
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| 20:47.22 | wols_ | Gm4n: check pdo |
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| 20:47.40 | stefan_ | SF7: just do this and replace /dev by the device you want to fix sudo lsof /dev | awk '{print $2}'| sort | uniq | xargs kill -9 |
| 20:47.57 | Gm4n | wols_: I'm sorry, but I don't know what that means :( |
| 20:47.59 | stefan_ | SF7: do you know what is the name of your device ? |
| 20:48.07 | wols_ | !Pdo |
| 20:48.07 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 20:48.29 | SF7D | stefan_: /mnt/thumb |
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| 20:48.51 | Gm4n | you may have misuderstood... I want to know what I should have in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:49.29 | stefan_ | SF7D: tell me the output of mount | grep "/mnt/thumb" |
| 20:49.34 | wols_ | !tell Gm4n about sources.list |
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| 20:49.43 | stefan_ | SF7D: that tells you wich device is mounted on /mnt/thumb |
| 20:50.11 | Gm4n | thank you, wols_. I'm assuming I can replace "etch" with "sarge"? |
| 20:50.17 | stefan_ | SF7D: you see ... /mnt/thumb is a directory , and you need the device wich is mounted there ... |
| 20:50.23 | stefan_ | SF7D: have you run the command ? |
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| 20:50.35 | infinity0 | is there an application that lets me view all available packages (ie. from sources.list)? |
| 20:50.43 | infinity0 | GUI app, that is |
| 20:50.46 | SF7D | /dev/sda1 on /mnt/thumb type vfat (rw) |
| 20:50.46 | SF7D | /dev/sda on /mnt/thumb type vfat (rw) |
| 20:50.48 | wols_ | infinity0: aptitude, synaptic |
| 20:50.51 | plb | so I have a server that I need to configure for a static ip (dhcp assigns it a ip that is service not machine dependent), I set up the /etc/network/interfaces file restart networking and I can receive inbound connections make outbound connections for machines in my hosts file, but dns look ups seem to be failing. the resolv.conf has the correct server listed, and if I force dhcp with dhclient everything behaves correctly |
| 20:50.57 | stefan_ | infinity0: use aptitude |
| 20:51.12 | infinity0 | wols_, stefan_: how do i run that under GNOME? |
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| 20:51.34 | wols_ | infinity0:for aptitudfe, use a root shell. for synaptic: gksu |
| 20:51.34 | stefan_ | infinity0: ALT+F2 write konsole , hit <Enter> , write aptitude , hit <Enter> |
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| 20:51.55 | infinity0 | oh.. what's the "Configuration Editor" thingy? |
| 20:52.04 | SF7 | is this wrong that I seem to have 2 devices mounted on to the same file?\ |
| 20:52.11 | LinuxBlues | Gm4n, /msg dpkg sarge->etch (or are you trying to downgrade etch to sarge?) |
| 20:52.21 | stefan_ | SF7: what was the output again ? |
| 20:52.22 | SF7 | ( I just got the thumb drive working earlier tonight ) |
| 20:52.28 | stefan_ | SF7: what was the output again ? |
| 20:52.47 | Gm4n | LinuxBlues: no, I'm trying to do sarge->etch, but it says make sure my system is fully updated first. To fully update, shouldn't I use the sarge packages? |
| 20:52.57 | riot | which feature-rich secure display manager with very few dependencies would you suggest? |
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| 20:53.00 | action09 | hi |
| 20:53.12 | infinity0 | wols_: ahhh ok synaptic was what i was looking for :) thanks |
| 20:53.17 | LinuxBlues | Gm4n, just type /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 20:53.18 | wols_ | riot: gdm, kdm, xdm. depending on your main desktop environment |
| 20:53.21 | action09 | hust for my curiosity, is there a way to have automatix running on Debian lenny/testing please ? |
| 20:53.32 | SF7 | stefan_: it is 10 lines up ( I am also logged in as SF7D ) |
| 20:53.33 | LinuxBlues | Gm4n, dpkg will tell you |
| 20:53.35 | Gm4n | LinuxBlues: I've been !told about that one several times, and I have the pages open on my screen |
| 20:53.35 | riot | wols_: oh, that'll be ion3 and/or wmii |
| 20:53.42 | JordiGH | action09: No. And you don't want to use automatix either. It's an Ubuntu tool and even Ubuntu recommends against its use. |
| 20:53.44 | wols_ | action09: no. and we will not support it in any way shape or form |
| 20:53.45 | riot | d'oh.. ok.. |
| 20:54.04 | plb | any ideas as to what could cause my dns problem? |
| 20:54.05 | wols_ | riot: ah yes, wd, exists as well |
| 20:54.10 | spx2 | SF7: ok ... you can prv me the output if you want |
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| 20:54.50 | action09 | JordiGH wols_ ok, me too; it's why i insited on 'for my curiosity' i saw such a tool on other desktop click and easy, and a freidn ask me if there was such a thing on testing.. : ) thanks anyway |
| 20:54.52 | SF7D | spx2: /dev/sda1 on /mnt/thumb type vfat (rw) |
| 20:54.53 | riot | wols_: that one has quite few deps.. i'm gonna have a look at its website before installing |
| 20:54.57 | SF7D | stefan: /dev/sda on /mnt/thumb type vfat (rw) |
| 20:55.15 | bdheeman | riot: kdm for kde, gdm for gnome and xdm otherwise |
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| 20:55.45 | spx2 | SF7: ok now do sudo lsof /dev/sda1 | awk '{print $2}'| sort | uniq | xargs kill -9 |
| 20:55.57 | spx2 | SF7: after that do umount /dev/sda1 |
| 20:55.57 | riot | bdheeman: i don't want ANY of these three :) |
| 20:56.12 | CharminTheMoose | edit .xsession by hand? :) |
| 20:56.24 | mhall | What happened to the old script called rename which let you rename files using PCREs? I had it on my old Debian i386 install but now that I am on AMD64, rename was... erm... renamed! :-/ |
| 20:56.25 | spx2 | SF7: if that doesn't work do sudo umount/dev/sda1 |
| 20:56.32 | spx2 | SF7: and you should have it unmounted :) |
| 20:56.33 | plb | riot: what do you mean by display manager? |
| 20:57.34 | xand | mhall: I have it on amd64, but dpkg denies that it's in any package :S |
| 20:58.13 | spx2 | JordiGH: http://rafb.net/p/hnCRDP87.html |
| 20:58.13 | spx2 | JordiGH: this is the output of lspci |
| 20:58.30 | bdheeman | riot: what are your exact requirements for display manager then? |
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| 20:58.34 | spx2 | SF7: did it work ? |
| 20:58.48 | SF7D | no :p sf7 is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 20:58.55 | SF7D | (its a standalone box) |
| 20:58.59 | xand | mhall: oh... rename is in the "perl" package |
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| 20:59.04 | riot | bdheeman: few dependencies, secure, multiple x-server-capability, nice looks. |
| 21:00.08 | spx2 | SF7D: ok , log in as root , do mcedit /etc/sudoers , copy the line with root , ALL ... to a new line and instead of root write sf7 , now save and exit it |
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| 21:00.31 | spx2 | SF7D: after you have finished that retry the commands that gave the error "sf7 is not in sudoers file" |
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| 21:01.01 | infinity0 | what are the pros and cons of "su root" and "sudo"? |
| 21:01.28 | Gm4n | infinity0: sudo means the user doesn't have to know the root password |
| 21:01.37 | plb | sudo can be configured to give you the minimal commands you need. However, you don't need the root password which can be good or bad |
| 21:01.40 | Gm4n | it also means that you can limit what a user does as root |
| 21:01.46 | infinity0 | ah ok |
| 21:01.56 | infinity0 | ahhhhhhh i get it |
| 21:02.00 | infinity0 | hehe |
| 21:02.03 | plb | su is more useful if you really need to pretend to be another user |
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| 21:02.48 | spx2 | is there any utility that allows me from console to get the output of a command in clipboard ? |
| 21:03.46 | infinity0 | dunno... but you can output to a file then open it and copy from that i guess |
| 21:03.58 | bdheeman | riot: other than I mentioned earlier, I know only http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ one |
| 21:04.32 | CharminTheMoose | wdm? |
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| 21:05.56 | plb | why would dns lookups with dhcp work, and not with a static ip (resolv.conf is set correctly) |
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| 21:06.20 | linux_jones | how do i search for new hardware? |
| 21:06.36 | xand | linux_jones: what kind? |
| 21:06.48 | linux_jones | nic |
| 21:06.52 | xand | dmesg |
| 21:06.53 | riot | i just got some hints on how to make xdm look pretty.. i think i'm gonna use xdm |
| 21:06.59 | xand | lspci, ifconfig -a |
| 21:07.04 | spx2 | haha I've done it |
| 21:07.07 | spx2 | xsel :D |
| 21:07.10 | spx2 | wooohooo |
| 21:07.43 | bdheeman | CharminTheMoose: yeah, wdm (was also known as DisplayMaker) |
| 21:07.57 | linux_jones | ok so lspci shows my wireless card, but ifup wlan0 does not work, any ideas? |
| 21:08.15 | plb | is you /etc/network/interfaces configured |
| 21:08.20 | plb | and are you sure it maps to wlan0 |
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| 21:09.26 | mhall | xand: wonder why it doesn't show up the normal way |
| 21:09.28 | nvz | linux_jones: lspci only means you have a wireless card, and that much you already knew.. look in dmesg to see if is claimed by a driver and given an interface name such as wlan0 |
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| 21:11.03 | SF7D | spx2: mcedit not found (i tried gedit and vim too but failed) |
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| 21:11.54 | grendal_prime | hey is it difficult to put a second video card and creating a two motitor display |
| 21:11.57 | ffoegboy | im trying to set up Debain from the install disk for the first time. How do i set the partition to keep 1/2 the drive with windows? |
| 21:12.08 | zimnyx | I'm working on two PC, one in home one in office. I want to synchronize some files (vim config, bookmarks, my private files) to have the same content on both PCs. I don't want to use Subversion-like system, because it adds additional files. Can you propose some simple solution? |
| 21:12.22 | bdheeman | spx2: mcedit is part of mc (midnight commander) |
| 21:12.31 | plb | ffoegboy: you need to manually partition as opposed to guided |
| 21:12.46 | plb | ffoegboy: and it is more advisable to install windows first, then linux |
| 21:12.50 | nvz | SF7D: nano is installed by default |
| 21:13.04 | nvz | SF7D: I like mped, the minimum profit editor, but it too needs to be installed |
| 21:13.15 | spx2 | SF7D: do su , give root password, do mcedit .... |
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| 21:13.34 | ffoegboy | plb: Yea but i have never partioned a disk before, , im at that stage but unsure what to do so I dont loose my windows (currently windows takes all the disk) |
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| 21:14.06 | nvz | ffoegboy: if you don't have another hd then you don't want to try installing debian yet |
| 21:14.09 | plb | ffoegboy: then you have a problem... because I don't think the installed partitioner doesn' |
| 21:14.10 | SF7D | bash: mcedit: command not found |
| 21:14.14 | plb | er... doesn't support resizing |
| 21:14.20 | loca| | anyone know a good way to patch my iptables to get the l7 patch ? i need to block skype with iptables |
| 21:14.28 | nvz | ffoegboy: you want to go back and defrag the windows filesystem then shrink it to make room |
| 21:14.28 | SF7D | ill try with nano |
| 21:14.49 | ffoegboy | plb: can i go back to windows and reformat the drive to 2 partions there? |
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| 21:14.56 | nvz | ffoegboy: you can burn the gparted live cd if you don't have a utility to shrink it |
| 21:15.09 | linux_jones | dmesg | grep "wireless" showes nothing, does that mean im gonna have to used ndiswrapper? |
| 21:15.14 | plb | ffoegboy: AFAIK Windows doesn |
| 21:15.16 | ffoegboy | nvz: ok I will have a go at this |
| 21:15.20 | plb | er.. doesn't have a shrinking tool |
| 21:15.26 | nvz | ffoegboy: though gparted only has limited support for NTFS most I could do is shrink it about 5gb when I used it |
| 21:15.56 | nvz | ffoegboy: you are best off using a commercial tool like partition magic or adding a second hard drive |
| 21:15.56 | plb | ffoegboy: the safest way to shrink in my experience is partition magic |
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| 21:16.10 | plb | nvx: jinx |
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| 21:16.28 | ffoegboy | plb: unfortunatly i dont have partion magic |
| 21:16.37 | loca| | anyone ? |
| 21:16.39 | nvz | gparted works well, but it will only shrink it so far cause NTFS support is still a work in progress |
| 21:16.39 | pipeline | ffoegboy: Shrinking is BAD. Back up your data. |
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| 21:17.27 | plb | ffoegboy: yeah you'll pretty much be stuck to LiveCDs, backing up data and starting from scratch, or getting a second HDD |
| 21:17.29 | ffoegboy | pipeline: I dont care about the windows, as I want to re install it as well. I just want to end up with a dual boot computer with 2 new installs, windows and debian |
| 21:17.58 | nvz | ffoegboy: then reinstall windows first, but don't use the entire drive |
| 21:18.13 | plb | ffoegboy: then reinstall windows on a smaller partition (note in my experience Windows partitions are much more space intensive), then install linux |
| 21:18.35 | ffoegboy | nvz: ok i will try that, when i install windows do i get a partion option to select only 1/2 the disk? |
| 21:18.41 | SF7D | spx2: sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440 |
| 21:18.51 | plb | ffoegboy: of course unless you need 3d accel for games, I've been a big fan of all linux with a VirtualBox install with windows inside it for those pesky windows only apps |
| 21:18.53 | nvz | ffoegboy: I don't know, what version of windows are you using? |
| 21:18.57 | pipeline | ffoegboy: yes |
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| 21:19.07 | plb | ffoegboy: you get to select the size in GB |
| 21:19.20 | pipeline | ffoegboy: dual booting is indeed kind of a waste of time. Nobody actually dual boots their PC. Too much trouble. |
| 21:19.57 | nvz | ffoegboy: how big is your hard drive? |
| 21:20.06 | ffoegboy | pipeline: im doing this on my sons computer and he stiull wants a windows partiotion to play games |
| 21:20.12 | nvz | ffoegboy: and how much ram do you have? |
| 21:20.20 | ffoegboy | nvz: only 40 gb |
| 21:20.23 | pipeline | ffoegboy: Yeah... he's not going to use the linux partition. Wouldn't it be a lot simpler to not bother ? :P |
| 21:20.35 | nvz | ffoegboy: how much of your windows partition is in use right now? |
| 21:20.42 | ffoegboy | pipeline: he wants to learn linux |
| 21:21.05 | ffoegboy | nvz: dont know, but he wants to get rid of it all and start again |
| 21:21.23 | nvz | ffoegboy: yeah but how much he is using right now will give you an idea of how much you need for what he's doing on windows |
| 21:21.31 | nvz | ffoegboy: which version of windows is it? |
| 21:21.39 | plb | ffoegboy: I'd just have him look at cygwin or a virtualized debian using VirtualBox or VMWare |
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| 21:21.54 | ffoegboy | nvz: he using about 30gb but has a lot of stuff that he wants to get rid of. |
| 21:22.04 | nvz | ffoegboy: yeah you can d/l vmware player for free and run debian inside windows |
| 21:22.09 | ffoegboy | nvz: xp |
| 21:22.23 | riot | hmhmm. my xdm won't let me in. Root can login but not my ordinary user. Double checked typo-errors |
| 21:22.59 | nvz | ffoegboy: though I think you really get a better experience running it natively on real hardware.. sometimes you get issues you wouldnt have to deal with if you just installed it dual-boot |
| 21:23.14 | nvz | ffoegboy: how much ram is in this computer? |
| 21:23.24 | plb | nvz: that is a good point |
| 21:23.26 | loca| | anyone ? |
| 21:23.28 | ffoegboy | nvz: yea i really want to dual boot, 256mg ram |
| 21:23.28 | loca| | anyone know a good way to patch my iptables to get the l7 patch ? i need to block skype with iptables |
| 21:23.46 | ffoegboy | maybe i should go but a second HD |
| 21:24.10 | nvz | ffoegboy: heres what I would do to dual boot and save space for his windows games.. |
| 21:24.21 | grendal_prime | so its not possible to configure x across server monitors? |
| 21:24.27 | jelly-home | loca|: do you already know your way around patching source trees? |
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| 21:24.38 | plb | grendal_prime: what do you mean? |
| 21:25.08 | grendal_prime | well say i have two video cards in the machine and i plug in two monitors..i want to extend my desktop across both screens. |
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| 21:25.18 | plb | Xinerama |
| 21:25.24 | grendal_prime | so i can run an application in one screen..and the other as well.. |
| 21:25.37 | riot | I can't login using xdm, root works but no ordinary users. Why is that? |
| 21:25.40 | nvz | ffoegboy: you probably only need like 5gb tops on / for debian with a crapload of packages installed.. but when you reinstall windows make it fat32 not NTFS that way you can mount the windows partition as his /home and he can save all the things he downloads and his config settings on the windows C: and then any music and whatnot he has will be accessible from both OSs |
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| 21:25.43 | plb | grendal_prime: the details depend on the video cards, but the answer is Xinerama |
| 21:25.47 | grendal_prime | xinerama is that just a window manager ot an entire desktop |
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| 21:26.10 | grendal_prime | like could i run kde..or gonme on top of that? |
| 21:26.14 | plb | grendal_prime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama |
| 21:26.16 | nvz | ffoegboy: then he will have a folder c:\user where user is his username which will contain his home dir for linux that he can access from windows |
| 21:26.18 | brix` | sorry, i have a chain of problem with lilo -> linux -> hal -> cups ; i'm trying to let lilo work, so tu update the kernel and make hal start in order to have cups running ^^' |
| 21:26.26 | pipeline | grendal_prime: xinerama is an extension to the X11 protocol. |
| 21:26.31 | jelly-home | nvz: eww, recommending using fat instead of ntfs?? |
| 21:26.49 | ffoegboy | nvz: thanks, but i will have to set that up in windows right whan i re install xp |
| 21:27.01 | plb | nvz: ntfs-3g is incredible and has almost perfect support (except for encryption) |
| 21:27.05 | nvz | jelly-home: well if he only has 40g to work with, and wants to save most of that for games, music and stuff kids do.. using fat will let him use the partition for windows and for linux |
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| 21:27.24 | jelly-home | plb: and compression. and dir. depth larger than 4. |
| 21:27.41 | plb | jelly-home: are you sure about the dir depth? |
| 21:27.58 | jelly-home | plb: last time I checked, yes. 2-3 months ago |
| 21:28.03 | plb | jelly-home: I could have sworn I've used it on greater than 4 deep |
| 21:28.03 | brix` | that's the problem: i have a disk /dev/hdb which is broken but has nothing to do with boot; however lilo tries to read it and stops as it cannot read. |
| 21:28.12 | ffoegboy | nvz: You can acces windows partition fromlinux though, i do it on my laptop whicj is also dual boot |
| 21:28.27 | nvz | ffoegboy: right but WRITE support for ntfs is dodgy |
| 21:28.37 | nvz | ffoegboy: and he _HAS_ to be able to write his homedir |
| 21:28.43 | jelly-home | nvz: mhm. I'd mount windows ro. |
| 21:28.51 | ffoegboy | nvz: OK so i should reinstall windows with fat32 |
| 21:28.58 | plb | ffoegboy: ntfs support is much less dodgy than it was a year ago |
| 21:29.07 | nvz | ffoegboy: if you wanna do it that way to maximize space for windows |
| 21:29.13 | dalias | fat32 has lots of lame limitations like 2gb filesize limit |
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| 21:29.17 | dalias | and no permissions |
| 21:29.19 | nvz | ffoegboy: otherwise just give him like 30 for windows, 10 for linux or something |
| 21:29.25 | dalias | but it might be a viable choice |
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| 21:29.30 | ffoegboy | nvz: that sounds good |
| 21:29.31 | war | anyone here using 10ggigabit at work or home? |
| 21:29.38 | Gm4n | !tell gm4n about sources.list |
| 21:29.39 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 21:29.49 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 21:29.52 | nvz | ffoegboy: though getting a new hd works too they are really cheap these days |
| 21:30.08 | dalias | yeah.. i would recommend keeping windows on its own hdd |
| 21:30.15 | dalias | so it doesn't decide to trash linux |
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| 21:30.24 | dalias | i dont think it does that anymore |
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| 21:30.29 | jelly-home | dalias: windows doesn't do that. |
| 21:30.33 | plb | nvz: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 21:30.36 | dalias | but old windows versions would sometimes |
| 21:30.40 | nvz | ffoegboy: where about do you live and would you rather go to a store or order one? I can quote you a price |
| 21:30.45 | ffoegboy | nvz: is there many cool games for linux? |
| 21:30.48 | binfalse | secret |
| 21:30.53 | dalias | possibly it was just some vendors' "new-computer" bundled windows |
| 21:31.01 | ffoegboy | nvz: I live in Brisbane |
| 21:31.03 | plb | ffoegboy: that is a very divisive question |
| 21:31.04 | nvz | plb: I know.. I also know its dodgy.. gparted live disk uses that and it still cant do everything linux can with fat |
| 21:31.10 | jelly-home | dalias: maybe the boot loader. or maybe versions 10 year old |
| 21:31.17 | Gm4n | do I do anything special to my sources.list if I'm running on a 64bit amd system? |
| 21:31.18 | nvz | ffoegboy: no clue where that is.. heh |
| 21:31.29 | jelly-home | dalias: never seen an NT based windows touch unknown partitions |
| 21:31.29 | dalias | yeah i'm thinking maybe win98 or winme |
| 21:31.30 | ffoegboy | nvz: Australia |
| 21:31.48 | ffoegboy | nvz: where are you? |
| 21:31.51 | plb | nvz: the hit their 1.0 it is actually pretty stable now |
| 21:31.52 | nvz | ffoegboy: there are some good games.. check out sauerbraten.org for example |
| 21:31.56 | nvz | ffoegboy: eastern US |
| 21:32.06 | jelly-home | !info ntfs-3g sid |
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| 21:32.09 | dpkg | ntfs-3g: (read-write NTFS driver for FUSE), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1:1.826-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 21:32.23 | ffoegboy | nvz: thanks for your help, i will go get another HD, sounds easier |
| 21:32.31 | nvz | ffoegboy: yeah and safer |
| 21:32.38 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 21:32.56 | S4nD3r | Id like to know how to setup my machine to share data using samba |
| 21:33.10 | S4nD3r | I installed, but this ask passwork to allow access to my data |
| 21:33.20 | Gm4n | S4nD3r: edit the configuration file |
| 21:33.29 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 21:33.35 | Gm4n | are you trying to make it join a domain, or just a workgroup? |
| 21:33.43 | S4nD3r | just a workgroup |
| 21:33.49 | nvz | plb: stable and fully functional are different |
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| 21:34.19 | nvz | all stable means is its probably not gonna wreck your filesystem, doesnt mean you can do much useful with it |
| 21:34.24 | grendal_prime | actually it looks like its possible to run multiple x servers one on each..which would be kinda cooler really. |
| 21:34.34 | Gm4n | S4nD3r: that's pretty easy |
| 21:34.43 | Gm4n | just edit smb.conf (or is it samba.conf, I forget) |
| 21:35.05 | S4nD3r | ok |
| 21:35.17 | S4nD3r | but edit which parameter exactely? |
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| 21:35.52 | Gm4n | throw up your smb.conf file to look at |
| 21:35.58 | Gm4n | !tell S4nD3r about paste |
| 21:36.26 | S4nD3r | I tried |
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| 21:36.33 | S4nD3r | I dont know what to change |
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| 21:36.50 | Gm4n | put up the whole file so I can look |
| 21:36.57 | Gm4n | I don't have access to my debian servers that do samba at the moment |
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| 21:37.48 | Gm4n | do I need to change my sources.list file from what debhelper tells me about sources.list if I'm running on amd 64bit? |
| 21:38.02 | simonrvn | s,debhelper,dpkg, |
| 21:38.15 | K0brik | why are my login sessions sometimes with capital chars and other time normal? |
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| 21:39.21 | K0brik | and why are the screen buffer not cleared when I logout? |
| 21:39.35 | c_newbie | oh crap |
| 21:39.50 | c_newbie | i forgot make my /boot with boot-able flag |
| 21:39.51 | c_newbie | argh |
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| 21:39.53 | nvz | K0brik: type reset if they are capital, means your terminal caught a control char or something that cuased it to mess up |
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| 21:40.20 | nvz | K0brik: as for the clearing thing, you put "clear" into a users ~/.bash_logout and it will clear the screen when you logot |
| 21:40.29 | c_newbie | how to make the installed server to bootable |
| 21:40.42 | c_newbie | :( |
| 21:40.43 | c_newbie | oh man |
| 21:40.47 | c_newbie | silly me |
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| 21:41.06 | K0brik | nvz: but I was already logged out when it happened. my backspace button didn't work either until I pressed enter a couple of times |
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| 21:41.40 | K0brik | whats up spx2 you want to confess |
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| 21:41.58 | nvz | K0brik: you will need to do that on a per-user basis unless you add it to the /etc/skeleton so it gets copied for each user that is created |
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| 21:42.56 | K0brik | nvz: shouldn't that be a default setting? |
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| 21:43.05 | nvz | K0brik: no, why should it be |
| 21:43.38 | K0brik | nvz: why should it not? |
| 21:43.39 | loca| | jelly, still here ? |
| 21:43.55 | simonrvn | /etc/skel btw |
| 21:44.13 | nvz | K0brik: cause its done via a user config file which would violate debian package policy if it put something into your home dir |
| 21:44.30 | nvz | K0brik: its a matter of user preference if they want their shit cleared when they logout |
| 21:44.48 | K0brik | nvz: so it's a debian policy to not clear the terminal buffer on logout? |
| 21:45.04 | spx2 | hi K0brik , isn't this a nice day ? |
| 21:45.12 | nvz | K0brik: no its a debian polict not to touch a users personal settings |
| 21:45.18 | branstrom | exim or postfix, which should I use? :) |
| 21:45.18 | branstrom | Ease of use/configuration, and performance, those are my criteria |
| 21:45.31 | K0brik | ok thnx nvz |
| 21:45.38 | K0brik | yeah. it rocks spx2 |
| 21:45.39 | simonrvn | do some fricking research then |
| 21:45.55 | grendal_prime | exim is...like the default on the etch systems isnt it? |
| 21:46.02 | petemc | yes |
| 21:46.03 | nvz | K0brik: make the .bash_logout file with "clear" in it, and put it into /etc/skel/ and then it will be inherited by all users that you create |
| 21:46.09 | spx2 | K0brik: interested in hacking some vim scripts ? |
| 21:46.12 | dvs | branstrom: it depends what you want to use it for. Personally, I'd just use the default. |
| 21:46.14 | grendal_prime | that sort of made it a no brainer for me |
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| 21:46.26 | K0brik | for what purpose spx2? |
| 21:46.28 | nvz | K0brik: though you will need to manually create it for any existing users that want the screen cleared |
| 21:46.31 | szachista | hi |
| 21:46.41 | K0brik | nvz: np |
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| 21:47.06 | szachista | after updating from kernel 2.6.16 to 2.6.22 i have problems with starting my firewall |
| 21:47.12 | nvz | K0brik: and if it irks you, file a wishlist bug on bash that the .bash_logout "clear" thing be put into /etc/skel/ by default |
| 21:47.15 | szachista | i was using the same .config file for both kernels |
| 21:47.28 | nvz | K0brik: though I think the maintainer will see it my way and say thats encroaching on user preference |
| 21:47.32 | szachista | but now iptables returns: "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name" |
| 21:47.40 | Gm4n | when configuring debconf, it asks me about what interface I want to use. Does "Dialog" work over a ssh connection, or is "Readline" the full-terminal window, colored ascii display I see right now? |
| 21:48.11 | alaya | dialog works |
| 21:48.21 | szachista | how can i find more logs to know at least what coused this |
| 21:48.22 | dvs | Gm4n: Dialog is the console full screen version |
| 21:48.35 | K0brik | nvz: it's because I stupidly enough wrote my password as the username and it hit me that the buffer should be cleared to hide personal doings after work |
| 21:48.36 | Gm4n | excellent, thanks alaya and dvs |
| 21:49.07 | alaya | szachista: iptables logs where you tell it to |
| 21:49.12 | nvz | K0brik: thats a login thing, I think it clears after like 3 attemtps, not sure.. thats not a shell thing |
| 21:49.18 | alaya | szachista: if you tell it to log at all |
| 21:49.43 | nvz | K0brik: the clearing after logout is generally done by your shell, the clearing during login would be handled by login(1) or such |
| 21:50.08 | szachista | alaya: it used to put some messages on stdout, but know i can't see anthing |
| 21:50.16 | szachista | now& |
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| 21:50.33 | petemc | alaya: it does? i thought you needed ulogd to do that? |
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| 21:50.37 | alaya | szachista: most commands you run will output to stdout if they need to. but that's not logging. |
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| 21:51.07 | K0brik | nvz: but all that happen when I type logout is that the first line become the login prompt but I can with the sneaky shift-PgUp trick see lots of what has been going on earlier |
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| 21:51.17 | nvz | K0brik: you can also do stuff like "clear > /dev/tty1" or "setterm -inversescreen > /dev/tty1" |
| 21:51.38 | nvz | K0brik: right.. the adding "clear" to .bash_logout in your homedir will solve that |
| 21:51.39 | alaya | petemc: oh maybe. i just mean without an explicit --log... option of some kind it won't log anything |
| 21:52.08 | K0brik | nvz: I think it's a bad standard to not clear the buffer after a logout for instance |
| 21:52.27 | ShadowMajestic | how to get mod_perl running on apache? i tried tons of packages and configuring... the documents are not helping either |
| 21:52.41 | nvz | K0brik: I think its bad practice to not be smarter than what you are working with.. but stupidity is everywhere |
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| 21:52.53 | curtmack | Okay, I looked through Debian disc 2. The readme directs me to the install directory, which doesn't exist. What am I supposed to do with disc 2 anyway? |
| 21:52.54 | K0brik | nvz: thats no excuse |
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| 21:53.46 | K0brik | actually I considered to install windows instead |
| 21:53.50 | nvz | K0brik: you gotta understand debian is a very strict OS when it comes to policy and its not really designed to be the "defaults" kinda OS.. its more of a user-preference kinda OS |
| 21:54.25 | nvz | K0brik: the stuff you are asking, while its a valid concern.. is also a matter of preference you are welcome to change |
| 21:54.32 | K0brik | yeah I know nvz and I like it. but there should be a hidden catch by default |
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| 21:54.48 | K0brik | should not |
| 21:56.26 | nvz | well I think I got time for a shower and some gormet Mac & Cheese dinner before I gotta go restore this DVD backup of this guy's "XXX Big Macs" for him that BestBuy made from his crapped out laptop hd |
| 21:56.48 | nvz | I still don't know wtf a "XXX Big Mac" is but he sure talks about em an aweful lot |
| 21:57.08 | nvz | All I know is I am gonna charge him a lot more than McDonalds would for a Big Mac |
| 21:57.36 | K0brik | nvz: are there more hidden catches that I should be aware of? |
| 21:57.37 | loca| | anyone know a good way to patch my iptables to get the l7 patch ? i need to block skype with iptables |
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| 21:58.06 | riot | why can't i login using xdm/gdm but only via console? |
| 21:58.20 | Alumin | how would I be getting permission denied trying to "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" as root on Sarge? |
| 21:58.21 | nvz | K0brik: yeah debian requires a user that can use the thing on his neck for something other than a hatrack.. if you have any problems, replace user and bang head off keyboard to continue |
| 21:58.33 | beardy | riot: Is it even installed? |
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| 21:58.41 | riot | beardy: sure. |
| 21:58.48 | K0brik | nvz: that is not possible |
| 21:58.59 | beardy | riot: Also running? |
| 21:59.01 | riot | it just tells me "login incorrect" :( |
| 21:59.20 | Alumin | riot: are you trying to log in as root? |
| 21:59.21 | beardy | riot: Define can't. Ok, then type your correct username and password. |
| 21:59.25 | riot | it works as root! |
| 21:59.30 | Alumin | that's odd |
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| 21:59.46 | simonrvn | Alumin: you could also do systcl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 21:59.55 | simonrvn | nvz: don't hurt yourself |
| 22:00.04 | stiv2k | does anyone here know how to program a laptop remote w/ the keycodes and whatnot???? |
| 22:00.17 | Alumin | simonrvn: I get permission denied on that as well |
| 22:00.22 | Alumin | maybe I'm missing a module? |
| 22:00.23 | skyfalcon866 | Does Debian have JFS |
| 22:00.29 | SF7 | I am having a total nightmare trying to do some pretty simple stuff. everything I do fails :/ all I want to do now is get a bunch of files off my thumb drive |
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| 22:00.39 | simonrvn | Alumin: how odd |
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| 22:00.53 | SF7 | it worked 4 hours ago. now it doesn't work. |
| 22:00.54 | beardy | skyfalcon866: The question is not if Debian does, but if the kernel you are running does, which is most likely Linux. |
| 22:00.55 | simonrvn | skyfalcon866: yes. it's a kernel thing, not a distro thing |
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| 22:01.14 | riot | wtf. i created a new user - it works with this one.. think i got the problem pinned down |
| 22:01.51 | beardy | SF7: Then you did something in the last 4 hours. |
| 22:02.01 | simonrvn | Alumin: were you su'd or using sudo when you tried the echo version? |
| 22:02.10 | Alumin | yeah |
| 22:02.17 | SF7 | mm yes I took it out, added some files and stuck it back in |
| 22:02.18 | Alumin | I double-checked with id and whoami too |
| 22:02.22 | skyfalcon866 | how many discs is debian |
| 22:02.27 | streuner | 1 |
| 22:02.28 | Alumin | Etch is 21 I think |
| 22:02.32 | Alumin | butyou only need one |
| 22:02.34 | beardy | SF7: Added what files where? |
| 22:02.45 | SF7 | to the thumb drive. |
| 22:02.57 | streuner | skyfalcon866: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:02.58 | beardy | SF7: When it was unplugged? |
| 22:03.02 | streuner | skyfalcon866: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 22:03.05 | SF7 | (I added the files using my Windows machine ) |
| 22:03.10 | curtmack | and after disc three is pretty much worthless |
| 22:03.11 | riot | WTF. it doesn't like my username, as it seems! |
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| 22:03.23 | beardy | !whack curtmack |
| 22:03.30 | skyfalcon866 | what is /sg dpkg d -1 |
| 22:03.37 | SF7 | then when I put it back in it cannot see the new file. sees the old ones but not the new ones. |
| 22:03.51 | riot | no, it doesn't like my password :( |
| 22:03.57 | streuner | skyfalcon866: just use type that into your irc-client |
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| 22:04.00 | beardy | skyfalcon866: Send a private message to the bot dpkg, ask the question that will tell you what you want to know. |
| 22:04.03 | simonrvn | skyfalcon866: aye, not one |
| 22:04.22 | SF7 | so I tried to unmount and remount. now it is back to displaying gibberish when I try ls |
| 22:04.29 | skyfalcon866 | how |
| 22:04.31 | Alumin | actually wait, if I didn't have the module, the /proc file wouldn't even be there |
| 22:04.35 | skyfalcon866 | i didnt get anything from a bot |
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| 22:05.03 | streuner | haha |
| 22:05.07 | beardy | skyfalcon866: Type it, exactly as they said, literally the following: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 22:05.10 | riot | more specifically it seems to not like my quite LONG password.. How comes that? |
| 22:05.45 | riot | foo works, but not e.g. foobarbazqux123 --> how is that possible? |
| 22:05.50 | Gm4n | I just updated my debian system from sarge to etch, but uname reports a kernel of "2.6.16.53-070731a", (different than "2.6.18-4-686" on my other etch machine). Is this wrong/bad? |
| 22:05.58 | streuner | skyfalcon866: type "/msg dpkg ig" into your irc-client |
| 22:06.02 | beardy | riot: foo should not work, too short. |
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| 22:06.14 | beardy | riot: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 22:06.18 | skyfalcon866 | just did thanx =) |
| 22:06.37 | riot | beardy: too short is just a limitation which gets overcome if you set it as root using passwd |
| 22:06.46 | streuner | skyfalcon866: why do you want switch to Debian? |
| 22:06.47 | riot | beardy: i'm running unstable. Rather fresh install. |
| 22:07.06 | skyfalcon866 | i am sick of ubuntus out of date software |
| 22:07.08 | beardy | riot: Then why are you asking such questions? |
| 22:07.16 | riot | beardy: huh? Why not? |
| 22:07.19 | curtmack | What exactly do I do with Debian CD 2? The readme points me to nonexisting directories. |
| 22:07.28 | riot | beardy: because its a weird problem i have no solution/answer to. |
| 22:07.31 | beardy | riot: Why would you want to do such a stupid thing? |
| 22:07.46 | riot | beardy: w00t??? what stupid thing??? |
| 22:07.47 | streuner | skyfalcon866: old isnt bad |
| 22:07.56 | skyfalcon866 | why |
| 22:08.15 | streuner | skyfalcon866: there is good software and bad software, but out-of-date doesnt mean always bad |
| 22:08.22 | beardy | riot: Setting a weak password with root to circumvent some basic checks to amke sure it is not a totally crappy password. |
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| 22:08.26 | skyfalcon866 | is debian bleeding edge |
| 22:08.32 | riot | beardy: gnf. To test. |
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| 22:08.54 | beardy | riot: Is gnf an insult? |
| 22:09.05 | riot | beardy: i told you, my password is (and was ever) quite LONG. Now gdm doesn't seem to accept it because its too long, which i don't understand. |
| 22:09.16 | riot | beardy: no. Why would i insult you? |
| 22:09.24 | streuner | skyfalcon866: why do you think you need bleeding edge software? |
| 22:09.28 | punter | How do I change the output of "hostname -f" from a single word to a FQDN? |
| 22:09.38 | skyfalcon866 | idk |
| 22:09.39 | riot | (and yesterday - before i installed onto a new bigger harddrive, gdm accepted quite the same password) |
| 22:09.46 | simonrvn | riot: it should. you did something to pam then |
| 22:09.48 | beardy | riot: What encryption does your PAM (or what actually configures) use for your passwords? |
| 22:09.51 | simonrvn | riot: or didn't |
| 22:10.28 | streuner | skyfalcon866: often its possible in every distro to use every software (new) you want |
| 22:10.30 | riot | simonrvn: Its just a base-install + added xorg, gdm et al. Is there some pam-related package that might be missing? |
| 22:10.51 | beardy | riot: Shouldn't be, but what did you choose when installing? |
| 22:10.56 | punter | Should the fqdn hostname returned by "hostname -f" resolve to a local or to an internet address? |
| 22:11.02 | simonrvn | riot: no. pam configuration. using crypt instead of md5 for instance ;) |
| 22:11.10 | K0brik | is there a guide to do custom paint-work on debian? |
| 22:11.17 | riot | beardy: nothing. I deliberately skipped tasksel, because it installs so much unnecessary crap. |
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| 22:11.25 | beardy | kunwon1: Huh? Install GIMP? |
| 22:11.27 | riot | simonrvn: i'll have a look. |
| 22:11.28 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 22:11.30 | simonrvn | K0brik: "custom paint-work"? |
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| 22:11.35 | punter | How do I change the output of "hostname -f" from a single word to a FQDN? |
| 22:11.53 | K0brik | I want to make some cover graphics to spare the end user |
| 22:12.12 | petemc | punter: ipaddr foo.bar.com foo |
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| 22:12.20 | beardy | riot: Yes, it does. For some it's good, but I agree. |
| 22:12.20 | K0brik | and the sell some systems with debian as the default OS |
| 22:12.23 | riot | simonrvn: hah. its in pam.d/common-password, right? |
| 22:12.55 | riot | beardy: its wonderful for beginners. I prefer apt-get though. |
| 22:12.58 | simonrvn | riot: md5 and shadow are rather useful settings ;) |
| 22:13.08 | punter | thanks |
| 22:13.10 | beardy | simonrvn: I prefer aptitude. |
| 22:13.23 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 22:13.24 | beardy | riot: ^^¨ |
| 22:13.30 | K0brik | (Debian, fluxbox and gnome to be more specific. It's the boot-messages that I want to cover) |
| 22:13.44 | nvz | K0brik: ah you want to make a boot-splash? |
| 22:13.55 | K0brik | nvz: yes. something like Ubuntu |
| 22:13.58 | simonrvn | then you want some sort of usplash something like that |
| 22:14.00 | ribnitz | I am using XFCE4, how do I specify with what options filesystems (like an USB harddrive) should be mounted? (in that case, there is an ntfs filesystem on it. |
| 22:14.03 | beardy | simonrvn: EEYES |
| 22:14.05 | simonrvn | or something* |
| 22:14.26 | K0brik | I bet I can just copy theirs and replace their logo |
| 22:14.27 | simonrvn | beardy: ENOPARSE |
| 22:14.33 | stiv2k | whats a good media player that has support for remote control? |
| 22:14.48 | K0brik | stiv2k: mplayer works with lirc |
| 22:14.48 | streuner | xine, mplayer |
| 22:14.48 | ribnitz | stiv2k: amarok, probably? |
| 22:14.48 | nvz | I like either the old mandrake boot splash where its got the messages in graphical form with the check marks and X's or I seen this one live cd that had a big splash image then had like 4 lines of the regular messages scrolling below.. hiding them completly I think is utterly stupid |
| 22:14.52 | beardy | stiv2k: mplayer |
| 22:15.09 | ribnitz | stiv2k: amarok is just audio, though. |
| 22:15.10 | nvz | the users need to be informed of boot issues and filesystem checks..etc |
| 22:15.20 | simonrvn | nvz: ubuntu 6.x did the 4-line thing |
| 22:15.32 | simonrvn | did in other versions too IIRC |
| 22:15.33 | punter | petemc: are you sure it's ipaddr? my debian doesn't have such a command |
| 22:15.48 | beardy | Knoppix did the checkmarks IIRC. Some more or less recent version. |
| 22:15.51 | simonrvn | i find that irritating too. i like seeing those boot messages |
| 22:15.51 | petemc | punter: put your machines ip there |
| 22:16.10 | curtmack | Wait, you can skip tasksel? |
| 22:16.12 | punter | a |
| 22:16.16 | ribnitz | Graphical boot splash screens are utterly pointless. |
| 22:16.22 | simonrvn | i don't reboot every 20 minutes |
| 22:16.23 | beardy | Yes. |
| 22:16.29 | simonrvn | curtmack: yes |
| 22:16.35 | riot | simonrvn: how do i switch from md5 to crypt? just changing the config-option doesn't seem a good idea to me :) |
| 22:16.36 | stiv2k | K0brik: i dont use lirc though |
| 22:16.42 | beardy | Yes to both curtmack and ribnitz. |
| 22:16.52 | stiv2k | K0brik: my remote is infrared but somehow it recognizes all the buttons w/o lirc |
| 22:16.55 | curtmack | that'll be good to know the next time I have to reinstall because something beyond my power and comprehension happened |
| 22:16.56 | punter | petemc: success!! thanks! |
| 22:16.58 | K0brik | stiv2k: what kinda remote control then? |
| 22:17.02 | petemc | np |
| 22:17.04 | simonrvn | riot: uh, you don't want crypt, trust me. max 8-char passwords and weak hash |
| 22:17.14 | stiv2k | K0brik: it came with this laptop.... HP pavilion dv9009nr |
| 22:17.20 | beardy | riot: md5 is what you want |
| 22:17.24 | riot | simonrvn: hmhmm, i thought so.. but now, what? its using md5 and passwords are in shadow |
| 22:17.29 | ribnitz | curtmack: get a lidt of installed packages, somewhere on an usb-stick. |
| 22:17.35 | beardy | riot: Should be default.. but not sure. |
| 22:17.44 | riot | beardy: yes, it is. I was already wondering. |
| 22:17.46 | simonrvn | nowadays it's default, iirc |
| 22:17.50 | curtmack | ribnitz: wait, what? |
| 22:17.56 | streuner | Doesnt have passwd a debconf? |
| 22:18.01 | beardy | Yes.. think it happened in sarge. |
| 22:18.03 | riot | so whats stopping gdm from accepting my long password? |
| 22:18.07 | stiv2k | K0brik: like i can change the volume and stuff in gnome right out of the box |
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| 22:18.41 | stiv2k | K0brik: and rhythmbox works well with it i can change the songs and stuff but i havent found a suitable player that can play movies that works with it |
| 22:18.59 | beardy | riot: Any characters you can't type in X, that is, due to different keymap? |
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| 22:19.34 | beardy | riot: Or, that are placed differently. |
| 22:19.34 | ribnitz | curtmack: once you installed the system: dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/foo; later when you install:dpkg --set-selections, apt-get dselect-upgrade, I think. |
| 22:19.45 | K0brik | stiv2k: then why are you looking for another player? |
| 22:19.50 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah last I used mandrake they had a graphical checklist.. I really liked that idea |
| 22:19.56 | riot | beardy: up, i just tried abcdefghijklm which is of similar length - that one works.. i'm confused.. trying some more |
| 22:20.01 | stiv2k | K0brik: cause i cant play movies in rhythmbox! :/ |
| 22:20.10 | riot | beardy: could be.. yet there are only alphanumeric characters in there |
| 22:20.16 | K0brik | stiv2k: what about totem? |
| 22:20.36 | stiv2k | what i am asking is there a way to program my remote so ALL apps can recognize the inputs (like some config file at the Xorg level such as xmodmap) |
| 22:20.39 | curtmack | ah I see |
| 22:20.49 | stiv2k | or is there some player that will recognize it or allow me to configure it |
| 22:20.56 | K0brik | stiv2k: are you sure it's not lirc? |
| 22:21.01 | stiv2k | K0brik: yea i dont have lirc configured |
| 22:21.03 | stiv2k | on my system |
| 22:21.05 | riot | oh noes!!! Wrong keyboard layout in x... and i've got a y in there, which should be a z :( |
| 22:21.06 | ribnitz | Any idea how I can get my box to have user-mountable usb drives that are actually accessible, esp. for ntfs? |
| 22:21.08 | beardy | riot: I see you are german. You probably have QWERTY configured, but QWERTZ labeled keyboard, and also typing QWERTZ. |
| 22:21.23 | beardy | Bingo. |
| 22:21.26 | beardy | !win me |
| 22:21.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, beardy! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:21.34 | beardy | Good night. |
| 22:21.36 | riot | beardy: exactly :( how stupid... |
| 22:21.40 | riot | thanks ;) |
| 22:21.40 | nvz | simonrvn: thought the big red X's would often draw a lot more attention to things that were minor problems and would probably get you bugged a lot more by users for nonsense.. though you could alwas charge them to fix non-existant problems that way :P |
| 22:21.52 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe |
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| 22:22.02 | beardy | riot: Hehe ;) Well now you'll always remember that. |
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| 22:22.14 | riot | stupid %&!"§ nvidia-xserver didn't ask for my keyboard layout.. :/ |
| 22:22.26 | simonrvn | uh, no such thing |
| 22:22.33 | curtmack | okay, let me rephrase my question. I know what to do with disc 2. It goes in my CD drive and I install packages off of it. How do I do that second thing? |
| 22:22.38 | nvz | riot: maybe its not stupid.. maybe its so smart it already knew |
| 22:22.43 | beardy | riot: Seen it happen, that germans start typing strangely when they have QWERTY all of a sudden ;) |
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| 22:22.55 | riot | its SO stupid.. it put in GERMAN identifiers for my hardware! |
| 22:22.59 | nvz | I've never heard of nvidia-xserver so I wouldnt know |
| 22:23.03 | the_real_maniac_ | hi all |
| 22:23.06 | nvz | !+info nvidia-xserver |
| 22:23.07 | dpkg | Package 'nvidia-xserver' does not exist. |
| 22:23.11 | nvz | hmm imagine that |
| 22:23.11 | stiv2k | K0brik: i was following a guide on the gentoo wiki that was explaining how to do it with .Xmodmap and xev.... but for some reason some buttons on my remote showed no keycode in xev, and some buttons showed multiple keycodes and that got me confused |
| 22:23.16 | nvz | might be why I never heard of it |
| 22:23.19 | riot | !+info nvidia-xconfig |
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| 22:23.23 | dpkg | nvidia-xconfig: (The NVIDIA X Configuration Tool), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0+20070502-1 (sid), Packaged size: 54 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 22:23.30 | simonrvn | riot: x hasn't done the one server per drive things in years, since 3.x |
| 22:23.30 | riot | that one, i probably meant |
| 22:23.35 | the_real_maniac_ | I need php4 at stable BUT WIHT DIO SUPPORT ... so is there anywhere such package , i don't want to compile ;) |
| 22:23.36 | simonrvn | riot: driver* |
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| 22:23.53 | beardy | Hmm.. now what is that.. |
| 22:23.57 | riot | simonrvn: aye, i was meaning driver - not server :) |
| 22:24.07 | simonrvn | riot: 'k :) |
| 22:24.14 | bai | rcS.d is only supposed to be triggered once per boot, right? |
| 22:24.17 | lindenl1 | im looking for the tc command line that will throttle my speed to my router to prevent the funny packet caching thing...anyone remeber where I should look? |
| 22:24.24 | beardy | Why isn't |
| 22:24.27 | beardy | !configure x |
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| 22:24.31 | beardy | good enough? |
| 22:24.37 | nvz | riot: fyi, the + I put in there just makes dpkg say things he would normally /msg me about... i.e. a package that doesn't exist.. when you call info on a package than does exist, you can leave the + out and it will display the info in channel |
| 22:24.40 | beardy | Ehm.. |
| 22:24.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:24.49 | beardy | Who fucked that up? |
| 22:24.54 | riot | hmm. If nvidia were nice, i'd file them a FAT bug by now. All the system is configured to be german, yet their setup ignored that fact. |
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| 22:25.05 | simonrvn | beardy: it's not, afaik |
| 22:25.10 | beardy | !drxx |
| 22:25.10 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 22:25.11 | simonrvn | !drxx beardy |
| 22:25.12 | dpkg | beardy: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 22:25.21 | beardy | !spam us |
| 22:25.38 | riot | nvz: thanks. You never stop learning new stuff :) |
| 22:25.39 | simonrvn | !factinfo configure |
| 22:25.39 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as configure, simonrvn |
| 22:25.50 | nvz | riot: things the bot considers irrelevant to the channel like "Updating debian package info, please wait... " and "Package foo does not exist" it would normally /msg you about adding the + makes it show in channel |
| 22:25.53 | simonrvn | !factinfo CMD: configure (.*?) |
| 22:25.53 | dpkg | cmd: configure (.*?) -- created by dererk <n=dash@unaffiliated/dererk> at Mon May 8 12:54:15 2006 (488 days); it has been requested 72 times, last by beardy, 1m 26s ago. |
| 22:25.58 | K0brik | stiv2k: have you tried totem with gstreamer, ffmpeg and fluendo? |
| 22:26.30 | stiv2k | K0brik: i have totem... im not sure about gstreamer ffmpeg and i dont even know what fluendo is... |
| 22:26.32 | simonrvn | @factinfo CMD: configure (.*?) |
| 22:26.57 | stiv2k | K0brik: i didnt see much configurability in totem but perhaps i wasnt looking in the right place |
| 22:27.05 | K0brik | stiv2k: your remote works with totem? |
| 22:27.23 | stiv2k | i dunno when i tested it, if i hit "pause" it would pause the music in rhythmbox |
| 22:27.31 | stiv2k | im not sure if i should try it w/ rhythmbox not running |
| 22:28.12 | loca| | anyone know a good way to patch my iptables to get the l7 patch ? i need to block skype with iptables |
| 22:28.13 | K0brik | stiv2k: maybe you're lucky! |
| 22:28.21 | stiv2k | K0brik: ? |
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| 22:28.42 | Linux_jones215 | how do i fix apt-get wanting to finish a previous install of something? i wont let me install ndiswrapper because something i tried to install a while ago has unmet dependancies |
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| 22:29.18 | simonrvn | you make your luck, partly. |
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| 22:29.36 | beardy | Linux_jones215: Have you installed something using dpkg? Anyway, use aptitude. |
| 22:29.39 | stiv2k | depends if you beleive in luck |
| 22:29.53 | streuner | Linux_jones215: show us your sources.list |
| 22:29.58 | K0brik | stiv2k: if it works with rhythmbox it probably also works with totem for some strange reason. I guess it's GTK that does the trick |
| 22:30.06 | Zizzling | stiv2k: use mplayer, put the codecs that are called "essentials" in /usr/lib/codecs |
| 22:30.12 | simonrvn | only partly ;) |
| 22:30.23 | stiv2k | Zizzling: where do i put the codecs? |
| 22:30.25 | K0brik | stiv2k: or the gstreamer |
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| 22:30.31 | simonrvn | @factinfo CMD: configure (.*?) |
| 22:30.32 | Zizzling | ^ |
| 22:30.35 | ravenbird | there's no such factoid as cmd: configure (.*?), simonrvn |
| 22:30.36 | K0brik | stiv2k: the community! |
| 22:30.45 | simonrvn | beardy: it's a new factoid |
| 22:30.45 | beardy | Yay ravenbird. |
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| 22:31.06 | Linux_jones215 | deb http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ etch main |
| 22:31.06 | Linux_jones215 | deb-src http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/ etch main |
| 22:31.06 | Linux_jones215 | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 22:31.06 | Linux_jones215 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 22:31.13 | simonrvn | ... |
| 22:31.14 | Linux_jones215 | is my sources list |
| 22:31.20 | beardy | simonrvn: Yeah.. guess I just thought I remembered it, since there is isntall x, and such.. |
| 22:31.22 | streuner | hm, debhelper seems in vacation |
| 22:31.36 | simonrvn | it's there |
| 22:31.55 | beardy | simonrvn: Yes, but being useful. |
| 22:32.07 | simonrvn | beardy: *grin* |
| 22:32.11 | streuner | Lnux_j: looks fine to me, show us the whole error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 22:32.26 | streuner | Linux_jones215: looks fine to me, show us the whole error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 22:33.07 | simonrvn | hmm i thought my cafuego.pl script was loaded... |
| 22:33.12 | Zizzling | mickeymousesofter :) |
| 22:33.33 | simonrvn | damn, it isn't |
| 22:33.34 | beardy | simonrvn: What does that do? |
| 22:33.53 | simonrvn | block dumbass bitchx /quit msgs |
| 22:34.06 | beardy | Ah. |
| 22:34.38 | beardy | simonrvn: And what makes that hard, using /ignore? |
| 22:35.01 | simonrvn | /ig isn't that fine tuned, i don't think |
| 22:35.05 | K0brik | a hacker put a patch and cracker put a bug hehe |
| 22:35.17 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, done |
| 22:35.18 | Alumin | simonrvn: figured out the /proc thing |
| 22:35.28 | K0brik | to hell with the crackbabies |
| 22:35.30 | streuner | Linux_jones215: we need the URL... |
| 22:35.37 | Alumin | simonrvn: I was in a vserver :) |
| 22:35.41 | simonrvn | Alumin: and? i've seen that before, but couldn't remember what it was |
| 22:35.47 | simonrvn | Alumin: oh hehe |
| 22:35.54 | Alumin | had to log into the host OS and do it |
| 22:36.05 | Linux_jones215 | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 22:36.05 | Linux_jones215 | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 22:36.05 | Linux_jones215 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 22:36.05 | Linux_jones215 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.06 | Linux_jones215 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.08 | Linux_jones215 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.11 | Linux_jones215 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 22:36.13 | stiv2k | K0brik: it half-works |
| 22:36.14 | simonrvn | STOP PASTING HERE |
| 22:36.19 | stiv2k | K0brik: in totem |
| 22:36.29 | Linux_jones215 | sorry sorry sorry |
| 22:36.41 | streuner | dondelelcaro: debhelper... |
| 22:36.41 | stiv2k | K0brik: i cant pause or stop but i can use the left/right buttons to move forward and back in the movie |
| 22:37.04 | streuner | Linux_jones215: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:37.09 | trebor_home | hi. i try to get hauppauge wintv-nova-t running on my first install of debian 4.0 (r0). i tried to follow http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-Stick downloading the firmware and putting softlinks into /lib/firmware. usb-id is 7060 and box-nr is 293. if i plug in the stick use tail -f /var/log/messages i only do see "kernel: usb 5-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 12" followed by "kern |
| 22:37.09 | trebor_home | 5-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice". what am i doing wrong? |
| 22:37.12 | beardy | Didn't debhelper ban everyone, or the ops, or something? |
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| 22:37.32 | dondelelcaro | streuner: I know. |
| 22:37.45 | BUMBACL0T | how come my ftp doesn't work remotely but it works locally ? |
| 22:37.49 | simonrvn | probably working on it right now ;) |
| 22:37.50 | K0brik | stiv2k: play with the ~/.gnome2/totem configuration or ask at #totem |
| 22:38.07 | stiv2k | K0brik: ok |
| 22:38.11 | BUMBACL0T | i mean, if i use my lan ip it works, but if i use my isp ip it doesn't |
| 22:38.43 | Alumin | BUMBACL0T: you using passive mode? |
| 22:38.44 | randomity | BUMBACL0T: is your router doing NAT? |
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| 22:38.49 | Alumin | could be a firewall rule too |
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| 22:39.00 | beardy | BUMBACL0T: From where? |
| 22:39.18 | trebor_home | do i have to install "hotplug" or other packages? |
| 22:39.37 | streuner | no, udev should handle that |
| 22:39.40 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, ii libc6 is the only thing in the list |
| 22:40.06 | BUMBACL0T | hold on, phone |
| 22:40.07 | stiv2k | K0brik: nobody in #totem ;) |
| 22:40.13 | streuner | Linux_jones215: What does that mean? It doesnt show any output at all? |
| 22:40.14 | trebor_home | streuner: hm. i do not have a /dev/dvb here. |
| 22:40.21 | distatica | Does anyone know if 700MB will be enough for DFS, pcmcia-cs, just the basic X server, and vncviewer? I would like to go less if possible, perhaps 500MB. |
| 22:40.29 | streuner | well, you to create it via udev rule then |
| 22:40.37 | streuner | have* |
| 22:40.41 | BUMBACL0T | Alumin, yes passive mode |
| 22:40.48 | Zizzling | BUMBACL0T: whats the name of the ftp server ? |
| 22:40.55 | BUMBACL0T | vsftp |
| 22:41.13 | BUMBACL0T | randomity, the lan ip is DMZ'd |
| 22:41.15 | streuner | trebor_home: are you using udev? |
| 22:41.21 | trebor_home | streuner: what man page will tell me how to create the rules? |
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| 22:42.37 | trebor_home | streuner: how do i detect whether i use udev? |
| 22:42.49 | BUMBACL0T | any idea why? |
| 22:42.51 | streuner | trebor_home: dpkg -l udev |
| 22:42.52 | Zizzling | BUMBACL0T: Allow port 20 as standard, also allow the port you specified for the server to use (maybe 21) |
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| 22:43.03 | BUMBACL0T | im using port 55 |
| 22:43.11 | BUMBACL0T | that port is also open |
| 22:43.13 | Zizzling | 20 and 25 then |
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| 22:43.47 | trebor_home | streuner: ii udev 0.105-4 ... seems to be installed (i hope). |
| 22:43.56 | streuner | yep |
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| 22:44.14 | streuner | trebor_home: so you are looking for the nessesary udev rule |
| 22:44.27 | trebor_home | streuner: yes. |
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| 22:44.41 | streuner | doesnt help much... |
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| 22:44.53 | streuner | use google |
| 22:45.26 | trebor_home | streuner: how specific do i have to search? udev rule hauppauge? |
| 22:45.28 | streuner | its on kernel.org or such |
| 22:45.47 | streuner | nah, /dev/foo is pretty generell rule |
| 22:46.38 | trebor_home | streuner: ? |
| 22:46.49 | BUMBACL0T | Zizzling, nope |
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| 22:47.25 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, http://paste.debian.net/36633 |
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| 22:48.01 | Zizzling | BUMBACL0T: 20 and 55 ? |
| 22:48.02 | streuner | hm |
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| 22:51.37 | streuner | trebor_home: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 22:52.38 | streuner | Linux_jones215: change the mirror and run "apt-get update" |
| 22:53.11 | spx2 | vim just totally fucked up my indenting of a 1000+ line file |
| 22:53.13 | spx2 | totally fucked |
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| 22:53.18 | spx2 | wtf am I gonna do now ? |
| 22:53.22 | trebor_home | streuner: "Writing rules is not a workaround for the problem where no device nodes for your particular device exist." ? |
| 22:53.27 | Freak_ | I have a firewall script that fails to work. When I boot my pc everything goes fine, I can ping my router. I start my firewall script (which calls plenty of times iptables). Then I do `iptables -F`, after this, I can't ping my router. How come? |
| 22:53.27 | spx2 | I just fuckin save the motherf*** file |
| 22:53.29 | spx2 | wtf? |
| 22:53.39 | mascodo | slt |
| 22:53.42 | mascodo | j'ai un prob |
| 22:53.45 | mascodo | avec kde |
| 22:53.46 | LordWolF | !dpkg-resolution |
| 22:53.48 | mascodo | y a qqu |
| 22:53.54 | spx2 | mascodo: j'ai un plus grand problem aussi |
| 22:54.11 | mascodo | je veux le lancer automatiquement au démarrage |
| 22:54.18 | mascodo | je n'arrive pas |
| 22:54.19 | spx2 | mascodo: tu te crois plus important que moi ? |
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| 22:54.23 | mascodo | comment faire ?? |
| 22:54.40 | tuv | cast, dump does not appear to operate on filesystem images as filesystem, but rather as a regular file |
| 22:54.43 | spx2 | mascodo: nous tous avons notre problemes |
| 22:54.49 | grendal_prime | i got a werid modem problem.. |
| 22:54.59 | spx2 | :d |
| 22:55.05 | grendal_prime | i know i know ...what modem isnt weird...or...wahht the hell is a modem?? |
| 22:55.05 | beardy | grendal_prime: winmodem? |
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| 22:55.12 | grendal_prime | no its a real modem |
| 22:55.15 | spx2 | mascodo: tu parlai anglais ? |
| 22:55.20 | beardy | grendal_prime: Well, tell us then. |
| 22:55.20 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, i got it working, thanks, but now im getting a kernel headers error when trying to use the one-linner for ndiswrapper, something about it couldnt find kernel headers couldnt be found, and that i didnt specify any more, so i did module-asstiant prepair and dont know what to do next |
| 22:55.21 | mascodo | un peu |
| 22:55.27 | grendal_prime | external sierial.. |
| 22:55.32 | LordWolF | whats the command again to fix the resolution? |
| 22:55.45 | beardy | !drxx LordWolF |
| 22:55.45 | dpkg | LordWolF: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 22:55.50 | spx2 | mascodo: si non , tu peuves quitte |
| 22:56.03 | streuner | Linux_jones215: what does "cat /proc/version" say, in doubt use an official kernel |
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| 22:56.10 | grendal_prime | using wvdial...it dials out connects...everything seems fine.. when ping google works good...if i try and hit anyother website...the modem hangs up |
| 22:56.10 | Gm4n | how do you show installed packages? |
| 22:56.14 | mascodo | pk ? |
| 22:56.25 | streuner | Gm4n: dpkg -l |
| 22:56.28 | grendal_prime | with an error code 16 |
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| 22:56.59 | beardy | grendal_prime: Hit other webserver first? |
| 22:57.00 | LordWolF | !drxx |
| 22:57.00 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 22:57.05 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 22:57.06 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 22:57.17 | beardy | !list installed packages |
| 22:57.18 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, Linux version 2.6.18-5-486 and then it says a bunch of other stuff |
| 22:57.21 | grendal_prime | i thougt maybe i had my password wrong or something..but it will connect i get assigend an ip, dns servers... |
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| 22:57.26 | grendal_prime | ya tried that beardy |
| 22:57.28 | LordWolF | thank you |
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| 22:58.31 | streuner | Linux_jones215: well, you need the kernel-headers, IIRC |
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| 22:58.50 | beardy | !installed packages |
| 22:58.50 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 22:58.58 | streuner | Linux_jones215: so just use one which has them |
| 22:59.06 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, IIRC? |
| 22:59.12 | SF7 | Why is my terminal sometimes in colour and sometimes black? |
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| 22:59.13 | streuner | !iirc |
| 22:59.13 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 22:59.14 | beardy | Gm4n: ^^^^ |
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| 22:59.47 | Gm4n | thanks, beardy. I was using streuner's dpkg -l approach |
| 22:59.53 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, can i apt-get kernel headers? and do you know how to specify them for that install? |
| 22:59.56 | Gm4n | seems to work great, thanks |
| 23:00.12 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 23:00.13 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 23:00.19 | beardy | ...is what I meant though. |
| 23:00.46 | beardy | Gm4n: There's a few more. You're welcome :) |
| 23:00.54 | streuner | Linux_ apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 23:01.17 | beardy | And IIRC, the one with grep is a few milliseconds faster. |
| 23:01.18 | streuner | Linux_jones215: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 23:01.19 | grendal_prime | ya its werid |
| 23:01.27 | grendal_prime | http causes the thing to crash |
| 23:01.28 | trebor_home | streuner: i do not understand the html-link you gave me. i am just a linx-user. |
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| 23:01.49 | infinity0 | lol... this might seem very minor to the proeblsm i was having before but uh... GNOME-breakout is refusing to start up! :( |
| 23:02.23 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, says it couldnt be found |
| 23:03.43 | streuner | Linux_jones215: scroll up what we told you before |
| 23:04.20 | streuner | (use a kernel which has the kernel headers then) |
| 23:04.52 | grendal_prime | i can even ssh to that server...as soon as i http though...all hell breaks loose |
| 23:04.52 | Linux_jones215 | streuner, so i have to switch kernels? |
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| 23:05.57 | SF7 | is it possible to configure Debian so that every time I plug in my thumb drive, it automatically registers it? |
| 23:06.21 | rahul | it does |
| 23:06.31 | rahul | the kernel notices it |
| 23:06.33 | rahul | check dmesg |
| 23:06.33 | beardy | SF7: Yes. You mean mounts it, instead of registers it. |
| 23:06.42 | amphi | SF7: you want some automounter thing, I guess |
| 23:06.46 | rahul | eek |
| 23:06.52 | rahul | automounters are trouble, tho |
| 23:07.02 | rahul | don't blame us if you end up with corrupt disks |
| 23:07.07 | grendal_prime | new etch does that on mine..udev i thought did that |
| 23:07.14 | rahul | udev mounts? |
| 23:07.25 | rahul | it should just create a device node, yes |
| 23:07.33 | grendal_prime | i thought that was part of udev |
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| 23:07.43 | SF7 | yes. for example, XP is very nice - pops up a little window every time I plug it in |
| 23:07.49 | rahul | and udev isn't even needed for that. used to do that from the beginning, just that all nodes existed already. |
| 23:08.02 | rahul | SF7: who would this window pop up to? |
| 23:08.05 | grendal_prime | if you have a mount point set up for it in the fstab it pops up and asks me if i want to open it..thats on the workstations anyway |
| 23:08.13 | rahul | SF7: the root user who is su'd from a remote login? |
| 23:08.33 | rahul | grendal_prime: "it" pops up? |
| 23:08.53 | rahul | "she" is not sitting in my "lap", so "it" did not pop up :) |
| 23:09.07 | thechef | is there a settingsmanager for compiz like there is/was for beryl (beryl-manager) in debian etch? |
| 23:09.43 | grendal_prime | this is really werid...i can even sftp to that box via konq..but as soon as i hit the web server..the modem shuts down.. |
| 23:09.44 | streuner | Linux_j: http://packages.debian.org/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-486 |
| 23:09.47 | grendal_prime | any ideas guys? |
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| 23:10.21 | SF7 | okay, going back a step. I would just like to be able to get a file off my thumb drive. I have spent about six hours trying. could anyone spare some time to take me through it before either the computer or me goes flying out of the window |
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| 23:10.51 | grendal_prime | do you have a mount point for it in you fstab sf7? |
| 23:11.05 | Trentster | Hey all, just wanted some advice, if I am going to connect an external usb drive to my server as a backup device, for exim mail, what file system do you reccomend? ext3, resier journalling? |
| 23:11.09 | amphi | SF7: plug it in, look at dmesg to see what device it manifests as, and mount it somewhere |
| 23:11.47 | SF7 | grendal: is that a way of doing it automatically every time in the future ? no I haven't tried that way yet. |
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| 23:12.26 | grendal_prime | hold on a sec |
| 23:12.27 | SF7 | amphi: that is what I did the first time and it worked after an age of tinkering. and now dmesg is throwing out something different. |
| 23:12.58 | amphi | SF7: perhaps because you didn't umount it before? |
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| 23:13.35 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.38 | linuxftw | Hi, im having problems installing the X-window system. Startx and Xinit both fail with "connection reset by peer" |
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| 23:14.05 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.34 | alaya | linuxftw: install a *dm and /etc/init.d/*dm start it |
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| 23:14.50 | grendal_prime | SF7: ya i just mount it to the same place i would mount my floppy... |
| 23:14.51 | linuxftw | what? |
| 23:14.52 | grendal_prime | like this |
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| 23:15.14 | grendal_prime | "/dev/sda1 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0" |
| 23:15.19 | grendal_prime | without the quotes |
| 23:15.52 | linuxftw | alaya: what do you mean? |
| 23:15.52 | alaya | !tell linuxftw about dm |
| 23:15.54 | grendal_prime | put that in your fstab file...just past that in there then change the /dev/sda1 to whatever dmesage says the device is |
| 23:16.14 | SF7 | does that mean whenever you plug it in you can just go to /media/floppy0 and be able to see the files? |
| 23:16.23 | grendal_prime | make sure the /media/floppy0 existes as well... |
| 23:16.24 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 23:16.31 | alaya | linuxftw: usually gdm or kdm depending on your desktop, though it really doesn't matter |
| 23:16.44 | Trentster | Hey all, just wanted some advice, if I am going to connect an external usb drive to my server as a backup device, for exim mail, what file system do you reccomend? ext3, resier journalling? |
| 23:17.13 | alaya | Trentster: ext3 would be fine |
| 23:17.20 | linuxftw | alaya: so I should install GDM? |
| 23:17.27 | alaya | linuxftw: that would be fine |
| 23:17.33 | linuxftw | ok, thanks |
| 23:17.56 | grendal_prime | SF7: what did dmesg report on that device by the way |
| 23:18.02 | alaya | linuxftw: then start it with the command above. if it fails you need to reconfigure /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 23:18.36 | linuxftw | sorry, which commands do I start it with? |
| 23:18.50 | alaya | linuxftw: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 23:18.55 | linuxftw | thanks |
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| 23:19.22 | sf7_ | This is my dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/m6e354ac |
| 23:19.32 | sf7_ | how do i find where to mount the thumbdrive? |
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| 23:19.42 | sf7_ | (thumb is connected b4 running dmesg) |
| 23:19.45 | grendal_prime | should be the last thing in the list if you just pluged it in |
| 23:19.50 | Trentster | alaya, isnt the journalling part of ext3 a waste of space for archive? |
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| 23:21.02 | alaya | Trentster: i don't think it takes much space |
| 23:21.08 | linuxftw | alaya: KDM is running, but im still in bash, is that normal? |
| 23:21.28 | alaya | linuxftw: does ctrl-alt-f7 take you to the kdm login? |
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| 23:21.50 | linuxftw | No, there is a blinking cursor in the top of the screen, nothing else |
| 23:22.20 | alaya | linuxftw: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:22.25 | SF7 | this is the problem: I did exactly this procedure before. and it reported finding the thumbdrive at sda. I was actually able to mount it to a folder I had created /mnt/thumb |
| 23:22.53 | SF7 | but now I get a totally different read-out from dmesg |
| 23:22.59 | alaya | SF7: dmesg |grep sd don't make us read through the entire dmesg output |
| 23:24.24 | sf7_ | alaya: empty |
| 23:24.58 | alaya | does mount command show it mounted? |
| 23:25.05 | linuxftw | alaya: I reconfigured using that command, still the same problem though. I start KDM, the monitor flickers, then it returns to the bash prompt and claims KDE is running :( |
| 23:25.16 | [p0lar] | why make the kernel from the traditional way and use the make and not make-kpkg can be more danger?! |
| 23:25.40 | alaya | linuxftw: sounds like x is misconfigured. try /etc/init.d/kdm stop and run startx from command-line to see if sever starts |
| 23:26.00 | sf7_ | mount returns ..., usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw) |
| 23:26.11 | alaya | SF7: that's something different |
| 23:26.19 | alaya | SF7: is the drive inserted right now? |
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| 23:26.25 | sf7_ | yep |
| 23:26.42 | Gm4n | in what way is my system set up if it uses passwd and passwd- instead of shadow? |
| 23:26.50 | linuxftw | It begins to start, as in the monitor flickers again, but then returns to bash with a few errors "NVIDIA: no matching device section for instance (BUSID PCI:2:0:0) found and, XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) |
| 23:26.51 | alaya | SF7: sudo tail -F /var/log/syslog and remove and re-insert the drive |
| 23:27.03 | grendal_prime | sf7 try cat /proc/scsi/usb-storage/ |
| 23:27.12 | alaya | linuxftw: ah you might need to install the nvidia driver |
| 23:27.25 | linuxftw | When I did the reconfig, it asked for the BUS ID of my graphics card, I just left it default, would that cause a problem? |
| 23:27.36 | alaya | linuxftw: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:27.47 | linuxftw | Ive done the one-liner about 3 times already |
| 23:27.52 | sf7_ | grend: no such f or d |
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| 23:28.00 | linuxftw | Im fairly certain the driver is installed, is there a way to check? |
| 23:28.06 | alaya | linuxftw: and when you did drxx config, did you select nv or nvidia for the driver? |
| 23:28.12 | grendal_prime | ok new info on the modem issue..if i start to move any substancial amount of data through the modem it hangs up...and ya ive tested this on two different modems now.. |
| 23:28.18 | grendal_prime | and ya the password is correct |
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| 23:28.58 | sf7_ | alaya: says.. sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440 |
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| 23:29.25 | c_newbie | gawd |
| 23:29.33 | alaya | SF7: so chmod 0440 it |
| 23:29.34 | c_newbie | 6 hours and remain nothing completed |
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| 23:29.59 | linuxftw | Umm im not sure |
| 23:30.09 | sf7_ | ooooh its the f.perms. i thought that was 3 digits not 4 |
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| 23:30.34 | alaya | linuxftw: you installed the xorg package? |
| 23:30.51 | linuxftw | I think so |
| 23:31.10 | alaya | drxx and select nvidia not nv. make sure you modprobed the nvidia module first |
| 23:31.13 | drmitch | the standard vim package isn't compiled with mouse support :-( anyone know where one is that has mouse support? |
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| 23:32.03 | alaya | drmitch: can't it be enabled in vimrc? |
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| 23:32.36 | drmitch | i dunno. in vim, I type ":set mouse=a" and it says: "E538: No mouse support: mouse=a" |
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| 23:33.14 | alaya | drmitch: oh maybe you need the vim-full package |
| 23:34.05 | drmitch | ah, that is a definite possibility |
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| 23:34.49 | linuxftw | Alaya: by drxx what do you mean? Sorry im not getting this, this is my first time using linux properly :S |
| 23:34.58 | c_newbie | is it really dangerous to create raid 0 with 4 hd's? |
| 23:35.02 | sf7_ | alaya, that finds it. every time i re-plug it, it notches the number up by 1 eg 'found at 3' instead of 'found at 2' |
| 23:35.25 | alaya | linuxftw: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 23:36.24 | alaya | type that in your irc window to msg the bot (named dpkg) |
| 23:36.28 | linuxftw | Ok. But in that reconfig menu, there is no mention of graphics card drivers :S |
| 23:36.33 | c_newbie | anyone please? |
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| 23:37.03 | linuxftw | I have installed the xorg package by the way, I checked it a second ago. |
| 23:37.04 | alaya | linuxftw: yes, it is the first thing it asks |
| 23:37.35 | war | c_newbie: backup your data and it doesnt matter |
| 23:37.39 | war | c_newbie: 4 x 74GB, 327MiB/s |
| 23:37.41 | war | c_newbie: raptors |
| 23:37.44 | war | c_newbie: it rocks ;) |
| 23:37.49 | linuxftw | The identifier? |
| 23:38.14 | workaphobia | Does anyone know a link to an proprietary-nvidia/debian howto guide? |
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| 23:38.52 | streuner | no, we dont tell you how to shoot in your own foot best |
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| 23:39.37 | c_newbie | war: thx |
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| 23:40.10 | workaphobia | Was that a joke or is it seriously a #debian policy? |
| 23:40.20 | streuner | !nvidia-installer really sucks |
| 23:40.20 | dpkg | We don't tell you not to use drivers from nvidia.com for fun. We have valid reasons for it, based on extensive experience. What it boils down to is this: your system will "work fine" for a while, then break HORRIBLY, if you don't install the driver the Debian way. Don't expect sympathy. Do it RIGHT the first time - /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 23:40.28 | grendal_prime | sf7_: any luck? |
| 23:41.01 | linuxftw | alaya: I don't see the option to select Nvidia as a driver :S |
| 23:41.03 | sf7_ | here's the new dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m38f13c68 |
| 23:41.15 | grendal_prime | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.24 | sf7_ | (last few lines of it) -- i unplugged and repluged the drive 4 times i think |
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| 23:42.01 | LV-426 | how do I refresh the /dev directory after changing a partition table ? |
| 23:42.11 | anubiss | how do i mount a usb diskdrive ? |
| 23:42.24 | azeem | anubiss: pmount |
| 23:42.52 | streuner | LV-426: you dont need to run udev (/etc/init.d/udev restart) |
| 23:43.35 | linuxftw | Um something ive noticed: I have two graphics cards, on PCI:1:0:0 and 2:0:0, 1:0:0 is configured in the xorg conf file. When startx fails, it says there is no matching device for PCI:2:0:0, which is my other card. Could it be that I have to tell it I have two for it to work? |
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| 23:45.32 | SF7 | something is going wrong - dmesg now thinks I have five thumb drives. |
| 23:45.34 | streuner | linuxftw: How about to disable one in BIOS? |
| 23:45.49 | linuxftw | Ill try that, if I can work out how.. |
| 23:45.54 | SF7 | what is going on? |
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| 23:46.23 | streuner | linuxftw: usually under onboard-chips or such |
| 23:46.26 | linux_jones | is there a way to find what package a command is in? |
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| 23:46.41 | streuner | linux_jones: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:47.06 | PietroGiovanni | hello |
| 23:47.10 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.17 | lith | Hey guys, for some reason i cant find Berkeley-DB in the aptitude package list... was it taken out? |
| 23:47.54 | PietroGiovanni | my root got full in the middle of an install via apt-get, now i cant either dpkg --reconfigure -a or apt-get clean/autoclean. How can i manually free up space? |
| 23:47.54 | LV-426 | streuner, well udevd is running but i still get the old partition handles listed... |
| 23:48.12 | streuner | are you able to reboot? |
| 23:48.30 | PietroGiovanni | streuner are you talkin to me? |
| 23:48.39 | streuner | no |
| 23:48.46 | Madd_Matt | PietroGiovanni, anything in /tmp you could delete? |
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| 23:49.07 | LV-426 | streuner, yup , thought i could avoid it ... |
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| 23:49.18 | PietroGiovanni | Madd_Matt i did some rm's but its still full... maybe the drive is blocked or something... dunno |
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| 23:49.42 | streuner | LV-426: try /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 23:49.43 | PietroGiovanni | Madd_Matt it was my bad originally, /var/cache/apt is 1.2gb ... :$ |
| 23:50.02 | trebor_home | is there a way to avoid to install mercurial in order to get a snapshot of the current sources of v4l-dvb? |
| 23:50.11 | PietroGiovanni | now i cant start the xserver anymore |
| 23:50.23 | trebor_home | isn't there a direct link to a tarball-snapshot? |
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| 23:51.01 | trebor_home | or is v4l-dvb in non-free? |
| 23:51.03 | streuner | just use google :-) |
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| 23:51.24 | streuner | !find v4l-dvb |
| 23:51.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'v4l-dvb' returned no results. |
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| 23:51.56 | trebor_home | i used google. i only found a page telling me to install mercury first. which is suboptimal. |
| 23:52.30 | azeem | trebor_home: this isn't really a Debian issue, I suggest you complain to the v4l-dvb people |
| 23:52.48 | c_newbie | :( |
| 23:52.51 | trebor_home | normally project-hosting services offer tarball-snapshots of current sources. (cvs/svn at sourceforge) but i do not have a glue about mercury. |
| 23:52.51 | azeem | (I don't think having to install and learn mercurial is great, either) |
| 23:52.54 | linuxftw | Ahhh why is this so hard :( |
| 23:53.00 | c_newbie | why i always get error to create raid 0 in 4 hds |
| 23:53.01 | c_newbie | aaaaaargh |
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| 23:53.35 | Arafangi1n | Hey, how do I configure my network card to use dhcp? |
| 23:53.37 | linuxftw | I can't disable one of my graphics cards in the BIOS, but I think it is causing the problem.. |
| 23:53.48 | linuxftw | Arafangi1n: get a DHCP client |
| 23:53.58 | Arafangi1n | The problem I have is that I am /already/ running a local dhcp server. :( |
| 23:54.38 | Arafangi1n | In other words, this is the dhcp server, which in turn needs to get its ip address for another interface from /another/ dhcp server. :( |
| 23:54.53 | Arafangi1n | linuxftw: I've got that much. ;) |
| 23:55.10 | linuxftw | Just trying to help |
| 23:55.25 | azeem | Arafangi1n: man interfaces |
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| 23:56.21 | dvlsleep | night ;-) |
| 23:56.28 | Arafangi1n | azeem: I am worried about it attempting to get the ip addresses from the localhost dhcp server - should I be worried about that or does it /always/ get it from the dhcp server that serves that particular physical network? |
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| 23:57.47 | azeem | Arafangi1n: you can just test that with a "dhclient eth1" or so |
| 23:58.01 | azeem | if that gets you the proper IP adress, setting this in /e/n/i will as well, I guess |
| 23:58.32 | Arafangi1n | azeem: Hmm, what do i read about to learn about how the heck I should manage multihomed interfaces? |
| 23:58.42 | Arafangi1n | Such as eth0:1 |
| 23:58.50 | azeem | dunno |
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| 23:59.57 | Arafangi1n | Guys, how do I learn about administrating a multihomed network interface? |
