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| 00:03.23 | hatter | what does 'Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key' mean ? |
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| 00:03.30 | disgruntal | pipeline: with using a login from my laptop to another system is ssh the best way to go? |
| 00:03.32 | Drk_Guy | Hi guys! |
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| 00:03.40 | Drk_Guy | I have a lil' question |
| 00:03.47 | Drk_Guy | How can i make symlinks? |
| 00:04.26 | pipeline | disgruntal: yes |
| 00:04.29 | amphi | Drk_Guy: ln -s |
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| 00:04.59 | peter5 | Drk_Guy: in particular, the order is ln -s existing_file new_link, same order as 'cp'. a lot of people get that confused |
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| 00:05.19 | hatter | Drk_Guy, ln -s /directory/for/link /nameoflink |
| 00:05.23 | Drk_Guy | Ok |
| 00:05.25 | Drk_Guy | Thx |
| 00:05.27 | maddash | man ln |
| 00:05.31 | themill | !tell Drk_Guy about general cli tutorial |
| 00:05.31 | peter5 | hatter: where by 'directory' you mean 'file' |
| 00:05.36 | hatter | right |
| 00:05.37 | disgruntal | is there a way to get restricted formats for burning or ripping cd's, or dvd's? |
| 00:05.42 | MTecknology | if i dload the net install cd, what's the smallest i get my install to fit in? |
| 00:05.44 | leOn | can someone explain why is /usr/share/pycentral/python-twisted-core/site-packages/twisted/internet/app.py listed on the python-twisted-core file list, but the file is missing from the package ? |
| 00:05.51 | peter5 | disgruntal: uh, what formats? |
| 00:05.53 | MTecknology | i want the absolute minimum :) |
| 00:05.53 | hatter | Drk_Guy, as peter5 says |
| 00:05.55 | Drk_Guy | themill: Wtf? |
| 00:06.04 | abrotman | MTecknology: maybe 300MB |
| 00:06.09 | MTecknology | dang |
| 00:06.19 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:06.23 | MTecknology | I'm trying to get something in less than 100 |
| 00:06.28 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:06.28 | maddash | this is so weird -- my adhoc'ed laptop can ping any server on the internet, but cannot complete a simple http request |
| 00:06.31 | disgruntal | off the top of my head... mp3, codec and what ever the standerd is |
| 00:06.41 | themill | Drk_Guy: these are pretty basic sorts of questions -- perhaps a tutorial on the command line would be of long-term benefit to you. |
| 00:06.45 | abrotman | an S |
| 00:06.53 | abrotman | MTecknology: emdebian ? |
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| 00:07.12 | MTecknology | I want a distro just for text based document editing and set up on an encrypted LVM |
| 00:08.48 | maddash | can no one solve my ad-hoc'ed gateway to the internet problem?? |
| 00:09.07 | disgruntal | is 7 gig's for swap too much? |
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| 00:09.11 | geo-rge | MTecknology: you can porobably get that with debian base |
| 00:09.39 | MTecknology | geo-rge, do i want the net install cd for that? |
| 00:09.45 | semprix | disgruntal, my swap is times two of my physical memory |
| 00:10.09 | geo-rge | MTecknology: that will at least answer the question of "encrypted?" |
| 00:10.13 | disgruntal | so 512m mem should relat to 1 gig for swap? |
| 00:10.35 | hatter | disgruntal, swap is for when you run out of ram, preferably you dont want to be using swap, but you should have the same amount as the ram you have |
| 00:10.41 | geo-rge | disgruntal: you can have more or less |
| 00:10.49 | disgruntal | ok.. ty |
| 00:10.55 | MTecknology | geo-rge, o - i knew about the encrypted part - i thought you were talking about size |
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| 00:11.02 | geo-rge | but that's about par, and used to be, that was the required setting on some kernel (maybe bsd) |
| 00:11.43 | geo-rge | basically you don't ever want to swap... |
| 00:11.52 | geo-rge | it gets slowwww when you do |
| 00:12.19 | geo-rge | MTecknology: I'm not sure if you can get encrypted lvm |
| 00:12.26 | hatter | yeah, so its there as a failsafe for if some program chews up all the ram to stop your machine crashing |
| 00:12.27 | geo-rge | if you are, go for it |
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| 00:12.54 | MTecknology | geo-rge, I know there was something you could encrypt so you need a password when you start up |
| 00:13.02 | guru | how can i change the dpi for each screen? |
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| 00:13.34 | geo-rge | I guess you alter the config file |
| 00:13.41 | guru | when i run `xdpyinfo | grep -C 1 resolution` i get 79x100 dots per inch for one monitor and 79x83 dots per inch for another |
| 00:14.09 | geo-rge | oh, dpi... you can't change the max dpi |
| 00:14.25 | themill | guru: there's a reasonable chance those numbers are right.... are they identical monitors? |
| 00:14.26 | geo-rge | but different resolutions have different dpis |
| 00:14.33 | disgruntal | MTecknology: there usually is a password in the bios so it wont do anything but wait for a pass but if someone takes the hard drive out and put's it in a system without a password they can access it |
| 00:14.36 | guru | themill: they are both exactly the same |
| 00:15.10 | MTecknology | I think I need to dload the businesscard cd - i hope whoever made that included the encyption there too |
| 00:15.15 | guru | geo-rge: no, but i can change the dpi for each monitor to a lower value can't i? |
| 00:15.33 | themill | guru; you can set "DisplaySize width height" in your xorg.conf. |
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| 00:15.41 | MTecknology | disgruntal, it might have been the server install - but i do remember having the option of setting up an encrypted volume |
| 00:15.46 | guru | e.g., i want both screens to use the same value...fonts on screen #1 are much smaller than screen #0 |
| 00:16.06 | themill | guru: values for width and height should be in mm. man 5 xorg.conf |
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| 00:16.22 | disgruntal | with a fresh install the netinstall is what im using now and you can set the partitions with the lvn <--- i think that is the name.. but it gives an option to use incription |
| 00:16.29 | themill | guru: I presume that you're running the same resolution too ;) |
| 00:16.35 | guru | themill: DisplaySize sets the dpi? |
| 00:16.43 | guru | themill: yes, 1280x1024 on both |
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| 00:17.46 | themill | guru: DisplaySize sets the size. Resolution/Size = dpi (ignoring conversion factors :) |
| 00:17.47 | guru | themill: could the dpi difference be the cause of the different font size? |
| 00:18.03 | themill | guru: yes, most certainly will |
| 00:18.17 | guru | ahh, thank you greatly then. i'll give this a try |
| 00:18.44 | guru | themill: which section would that go in? |
| 00:18.45 | geo-rge | tell us if that worked |
| 00:18.57 | themill | guru: Monitor. |
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| 00:19.17 | hatter | when i try to 'ssh -XC root@backup x2x -east -to :0' to my debian box which is sitting at the gdm login screen i get this 'Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key' any ideas what to do ? |
| 00:20.09 | guru | DisplaySize 412 260 |
| 00:20.13 | geo-rge | do you have xbase-clients on both boxes |
| 00:20.21 | guru | is that correct or do i need to surround the values in quotes? |
| 00:20.44 | hatter | geo-rge, yes, ut works if i kill gdm on that box then do startx |
| 00:20.57 | geo-rge | unreal ternament? |
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| 00:21.33 | themill | guru: not sure. probably optional as I think I've seen both. Without certainly works. |
| 00:21.54 | klys | s/tern/tourn/ |
| 00:22.08 | guru | ok, and one more thing...i know that kde can set the dpi; do you know how i can change it in kde? |
| 00:22.19 | klys | gigo |
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| 00:22.28 | guru | i want to make sure kde isn't going to blow away my changes to xorg.conf |
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| 00:23.34 | geo-rge | klys: so if something's misspelled, no information passes... allllllrighteyyyyy thennnn :) |
| 00:23.38 | hatter | guru, always cp your xorg.conf anyways |
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| 00:23.54 | hatter | never trust anything |
| 00:23.58 | themill | guru: kde runs as your user; xorg.conf is owned by root so that much is safe. I've never seen a dpi config within kde either. |
| 00:24.05 | guru | hatter: i do, but i want to make sure that kde isn't going to override my settings via another config file |
| 00:24.12 | guru | ahh ok |
| 00:24.24 | themill | guru: hang on... |
| 00:24.26 | guru | be back in a second (i hope) |
| 00:24.26 | geo-rge | I thought that's what NT stood for.... Not Trustworthy |
| 00:24.43 | klys | or, No Terminal |
| 00:25.09 | themill | guru: overriding is another matter.... and I've found the setting. In KControlCentre -> Appearance -> Fonts, there is a "Force Fonts DPI" box that should be "disabled". |
| 00:25.19 | disgruntal | I installed kde but still use gnome. There are kde programs in the gnome menu will they run without causeing errors or corrupting anything? |
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| 00:25.26 | guru | nope, it looks like something in kde is overriding it |
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| 00:25.46 | geo-rge | probably will be fine |
| 00:25.47 | themill | guru... did you miss my last line? |
| 00:25.58 | themill | guru: overriding is another matter.... and I've found the setting. In KControlCentre -> Appearance -> Fonts, there is a "Force Fonts DPI" box that should be "disabled". |
| 00:26.01 | guru | aha, one second |
| 00:26.33 | guru | themill: it's disabled |
| 00:26.40 | rahul | s t ooooooooooo n e d |
| 00:26.51 | abrotman | taaaaaa rrrrrrrr d |
| 00:27.10 | geo-rge | allllllllllllrighteyyyyyyyyythennnnnnnnn |
| 00:27.22 | geo-rge | oh wait I said that already |
| 00:27.23 | themill | guru: that's the only place that I know of that kde has that setting. And I know that kde obeys the dpi setting as I've used it myself. |
| 00:27.32 | guru | screen #0: dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (412x260 millimeters) screen #1: dimensions: 1280x1024 pixels (412x313 millimeters) |
| 00:27.53 | guru | themill: could something nvidia specific be controlling it? |
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| 00:29.11 | themill | guru: possibly... nfi about nvidia stuff. |
| 00:29.15 | themill | anyway... bed time for me! |
| 00:29.22 | themill | !g'night |
| 00:29.23 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 00:29.28 | tdn | Is it possible to make wget *not* get /robots.txt? |
| 00:29.33 | hochimoo | heh, the moment I set up some spam filtering to have a play all the sodding spam stops. |
| 00:29.35 | hatter | if X is run as root, does that mean every grahical program potentially has root priviliges ? |
| 00:29.59 | pipeline | hatter: if httpd is run as root, does that mean that every browser that connects potentially has root privileges? |
| 00:29.59 | dkr | yes |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | hochimoo: isn't tha ta good thing ? |
| 00:30.07 | hatter | hochimoo, you are mistaken. the spam never stops |
| 00:30.15 | pipeline | hochimoo: What magical spam filter is this? |
| 00:30.15 | rahul | my neck hurts |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | hochimoo: you could also test it yourself |
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| 00:31.02 | hochimoo | abrotman: I tried.......I need a lesson in spamming. I was using swaks |
| 00:31.11 | guru | ahh, got it |
| 00:31.11 | abrotman | !smtp test |
| 00:31.11 | dpkg | "telnet myserver 25", "HELO world", "MAIL FROM:<evil@spammer.org>", "RCPT TO:<a@fake.address>", "DATA", "Subject: spam test", "", ".", "QUIT" |
| 00:31.24 | hochimoo | I have greylisting too, makes that a nightmare :-/ |
| 00:31.39 | guru | i had to add the following to my device section: Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE" and Option "DPI" "79 x 100" |
| 00:31.50 | hochimoo | thanks tho, I was just moaning :) |
| 00:32.18 | klys | what kind of fake address does spam recommend? |
| 00:32.20 | guru | could someone add that info to dpkg, i think it may be helpful for others |
| 00:32.32 | pipeline | guru: You know dpkg is a free for alll right |
| 00:32.40 | guru | pipeline: i did not know that |
| 00:32.56 | hochimoo | how do you train dpkg? |
| 00:33.05 | pipeline | ask dpkg |
| 00:33.09 | hochimoo | !train |
| 00:33.10 | abrotman | !train |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | damn |
| 00:33.17 | hochimoo | heh |
| 00:33.28 | klys | !fake |
| 00:33.29 | dpkg | methinks fake is wearing a big floppy hunting hat and is carrying a shotgun. a tool used to take over a computers IP used for backup servers. |
| 00:33.36 | klys | that's a good idea |
| 00:33.40 | klys | seriously |
| 00:33.47 | hochimoo | !beer |
| 00:33.47 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
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| 00:34.01 | disgruntal | lol |
| 00:34.10 | pipeline | private message the pot plskthx |
| 00:34.17 | pipeline | err bot rather |
| 00:34.17 | abrotman | or try #debian-bots |
| 00:34.30 | dkr | pipeline: yeah, keep the pot in private, lol |
| 00:35.02 | pipeline | dkr: congratulations you're on my ignore list. L OH EL |
| 00:35.31 | dkr | wow, touchy |
| 00:35.53 | disgruntal | !ssh |
| 00:35.53 | dpkg | it has been said that ssh is Secure SHell, the ssh package in Debian is Portable OpenSSH (www.openssh.org) or for windows clients ask me about <putty>, or for mac clients ask me about <niftytelnet> or MacSSH. It's _unwise_ to enable both RSA and pasword authentication. Ask me about <rsa>, or winscp for a GUI SCP client, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 00:36.35 | pipeline | err |
| 00:36.46 | pipeline | why would it be unwise to enable both RSA and password, but OK to enable one or the other? |
| 00:37.02 | guru | pipeline: thanks for the info; i added it under "nvidia dpi" in case anyone else has the same issue - funny thing is that i've had this issue for almost 2 years and never knew why |
| 00:37.04 | geo-rge | ignored by a pothead... whoda thunk it would be possible? :) |
| 00:37.12 | klys | shotgun service from hash.org |
| 00:37.50 | pipeline | I find the use of 'lol' more offensive than illegal drug use. If I had to pick which one were a felony, it would probably be the former. Easier to enforce, to boot :D |
| 00:38.31 | geo-rge | yeah, Cmdr Data's daughter would be an illegal her whole life... |
| 00:38.38 | Saar | and omfg rotflol lmao would be a prime candidate for life imprisonment ;-) |
| 00:38.49 | pipeline | hey, now, let's be reasonable |
| 00:38.59 | pipeline | not all felonious behaviour merits life in prison |
| 00:39.00 | Saar | and related pwnage sp34k |
| 00:39.14 | Saar | uh ok ;-) |
| 00:39.38 | guru | pipeline's right; capital punishment is much more effective |
| 00:39.45 | Saar | hm yeah i wonder too why both RSA and password enable is unwise |
| 00:40.05 | klys | what makes spam work? the fact that the fake address can be resolved? |
| 00:40.13 | Saar | no |
| 00:40.16 | geo-rge | OI KAY, HERES A KAPAAL PUNISHMENT... |
| 00:40.25 | geo-rge | KAPATAL |
| 00:40.29 | Saar | the fake address in from: and to: are not used bye MTAs |
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| 00:40.30 | geo-rge | sowwy :) |
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| 00:40.43 | Saar | it's for humans and email clients |
| 00:41.08 | pipeline | huh? |
| 00:41.10 | metbsd | can't believe how big deal my IT department consider down time |
| 00:41.14 | klys | I think the from: address has to be resolvable at most ISP MTAs |
| 00:41.15 | pipeline | from: and to: are most certainly used by MTAs |
| 00:41.22 | Saar | oh? |
| 00:41.24 | pipeline | yes |
| 00:41.33 | pipeline | not all messages have meaningful envelope headers, saar. |
| 00:41.44 | Saar | nah you can have a a null address |
| 00:41.44 | geo-rge | some timerframes are more valuable than others |
| 00:41.59 | hochimoo | I dont know about mta's but spam checkers certainly look at em |
| 00:42.03 | pipeline | you can still telnet or nc a message with just a from: and to: to an smtp server and expect it to be delivered appropriately. |
| 00:42.06 | hochimoo | and greylisting |
| 00:42.07 | pipeline | hochimoo: separate problem :P |
| 00:42.22 | Saar | it's the return-path and enevlope-to which matter |
| 00:42.34 | pipeline | Saar: and both of those are totally optional |
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| 00:43.40 | pipeline | metbsd: that would explain the ##windows membership :P |
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| 00:44.23 | klys | ok then what's a normal isp spam checker |
| 00:44.37 | klys | from debian |
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| 00:44.52 | hochimoo | email is a black art |
| 00:44.56 | pipeline | klys: hahahaha no such thing |
| 00:45.06 | pipeline | klys: proprietary software, usually |
| 00:45.06 | Saar | yes, but to determine where it actually came from and/or was sent to return-path and envelope-to are more truthful |
| 00:45.20 | pipeline | klys: and it's not implemented at the ISP level |
| 00:45.21 | hochimoo | sysadmin monks have to sit under waterfalls with ants on their nuts for a year before they are allowed to dabble in SMTP |
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| 00:45.33 | pipeline | hochimoo: That's just what we tell the plebes. |
| 00:45.41 | Saar | you can forge to and from, but return-path and envelope-to are added by the MTA |
| 00:45.48 | hochimoo | pipeline: ssh, some may be listening |
| 00:45.51 | pipeline | Saar: err, that is also optional. |
| 00:45.59 | pipeline | Saar: that's the fun thing about SMTP. Almost everything is optional. |
| 00:46.04 | pipeline | Saar: e.g. address formats :) |
| 00:46.12 | Saar | yeah i know, kinda ;-) |
| 00:46.14 | pipeline | Saar: mail predates things like "standards" |
| 00:46.31 | Saar | but in my experience to and from can't be depended upon so much |
| 00:46.40 | hochimoo | SMTP was a freindly way of doing stuff |
| 00:46.43 | pipeline | Saar: Nothing "kinda" about it, given the number of sendmail daemons out there. All of which implement the horrible legacy stuff. |
| 00:46.54 | pipeline | Saar: Of course they can't be trusted. They'll still be used to route mail under many circumstances. |
| 00:47.02 | klys | UUCP was always a more friendly way then SMTP could be |
| 00:47.28 | pipeline | yeah because I loved sending my urgent e-mails by USPS for speed reasons :P |
| 00:47.44 | Saar | but my point is, if to and from can be easily forged it's not such a good idea to base a spamfilter on those |
| 00:48.26 | hochimoo | spam filters are not based on just one thing |
| 00:48.31 | Saar | i know |
| 00:48.36 | Saar | i meant part of a spam filter |
| 00:48.50 | pipeline | more importantly |
| 00:48.51 | hochimoo | http://spamassassin.apache.org/tests_3_2_x.html |
| 00:48.56 | Saar | <klys> what makes spam work? the fact that the fake address can be resolved? |
| 00:49.01 | hatter | anyone know where a howto on writing howto's is ? is there a preferred standard ? |
| 00:49.04 | pipeline | you can't use them easily because you get false positives |
| 00:49.07 | pipeline | lots of mail clients write shitty headers |
| 00:49.27 | Saar | hatter: like a man man ;-) maybe the linux documentation project has one |
| 00:49.48 | hatter | Saar, yeah :) I will check there |
| 00:49.48 | Saar | www.tldr.org ? |
| 00:49.57 | Saar | tldp.org |
| 00:50.17 | Saar | in my experience bayesian spamfiltering filters the most spam |
| 00:50.27 | klys | ok |
| 00:50.34 | Saar | after that probably dns blacklists |
| 00:50.43 | Saar | i like assp |
| 00:50.48 | hochimoo | there is the new one....... |
| 00:50.50 | hochimoo | umm |
| 00:51.01 | klys | is this an easy reason to suppose why someone can only get mail from a resolveable from: address? |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | like it should be ? |
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| 00:51.23 | klys | the bayesian system |
| 00:51.55 | Saar | i dont think you can just only get mail mfrom a resolvable address, basing your rules on that limits a lot of legitimate email |
| 00:51.57 | klys | or, is it just another thing that's advertised to do the same thing as spamassassin |
| 00:52.05 | hochimoo | CRM114 |
| 00:52.15 | Saar | being or not being able to resolve something does not indicate it is spam or non existant |
| 00:52.20 | hochimoo | supposed to get 99% and change |
| 00:52.33 | hatter | I have been wondering why DNS hasn't been designed to check if an ip is down ? |
| 00:52.47 | Saar | too much overhead i'd say |
| 00:52.57 | Saar | not a job of a dns |
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| 00:53.23 | force | how do you build an initrd image? |
| 00:53.33 | klys | well, back when I had dialup my static IP was resolveable at alumatek.xmission.com |
| 00:53.44 | hatter | would it that much overhead though ? to test a ping reply ? it seems a like a good failover for website hosts |
| 00:53.58 | Saar | yes |
| 00:54.01 | Saar | nah |
| 00:54.17 | Saar | thats bastardising domain name resolving |
| 00:54.25 | Saar | like using ftp for email |
| 00:54.35 | Saar | i guess with the right scripts it could work ;-) |
| 00:55.53 | hochimoo | You can get bind to do that |
| 00:56.07 | hatter | you can ? |
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| 00:56.11 | hochimoo | yeh |
| 00:56.19 | hochimoo | you can get unix to do anything |
| 00:56.30 | hatter | i would like it at the root nameservers |
| 00:56.35 | hatter | :) |
| 00:56.51 | hochimoo | hatter, do you realise quite how much traffic that would generate? |
| 00:56.54 | unreal-dude | hey pplz, got a question |
| 00:57.01 | geo-rge | personally I feel it's none of a name server' |
| 00:57.06 | unreal-dude | can't seem to figure out how to get my deb box to run fluxbox |
| 00:57.09 | geo-rge | s business whether I'm uo |
| 00:57.19 | hochimoo | + root nameservers only hold the IP of your nameserver |
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| 00:57.49 | hatter | hochimoo, that is probably the reason and yeah, the root ns is the wrong place for it |
| 00:58.38 | hochimoo | you can set up a nameserver to check periodically if an IP exists. if not, switch over to a failover. |
| 00:58.49 | Nyle | unreal-dude: apt-get install fluxbox xorg |
| 00:58.58 | Nyle | !tell unreal-dude -about install x |
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| 00:59.01 | geo-rge | hochimoo: oh that makes sense |
| 00:59.30 | klys | from about.com on bayesian spam filtering one sees: death2spam, popfile, scribe, spamassassin, spamato |
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| 01:00.22 | hatter | hochimoo, theres a plan, its a bind function ? |
| 01:00.24 | klys | familiarity indications are, scribe or spamassassin |
| 01:00.32 | klys | saar: would you disagree? |
| 01:00.44 | unreal-dude | tis already installed, i just can't find the conifig files to actually run fluxbox and im a total nub to running a diff WM short of knoppix's menu opiton |
| 01:01.37 | semprix | unreal-dude, try ~/.fluxbox |
| 01:03.16 | unreal-dude | and where should i be looking ? /etc or /home/user or where? |
| 01:03.20 | hochimoo | Im a bind n00b, afaik you can do it somehow. Im pretty sure there is an easy way |
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| 01:03.49 | semprix | unreal-dude, ~/ <-- home? |
| 01:04.36 | unreal-dude | nothing there |
| 01:04.36 | unreal-dude | by that name |
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| 01:04.36 | semprix | did you ever start fluxbox for the first time? |
| 01:04.38 | unreal-dude | no |
| 01:04.48 | semprix | ohh |
| 01:04.53 | unreal-dude | im on step 0 after installing i guess :P |
| 01:05.04 | Nyle | unreal-dude: you're on knoppix? |
| 01:05.05 | semprix | thats why so create .xinitrc file on your home directory |
| 01:05.11 | unreal-dude | debian |
| 01:05.30 | semprix | and then inside the .xinitrc file exex /usr/bin/startfluxbox |
| 01:05.37 | Nyle | semprix: no need |
| 01:05.53 | semprix | well he can startfluxbox on the cli |
| 01:05.54 | Nyle | unreal-dude: sudo (or as root) update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 01:06.04 | Nyle | unreal-dude: chose the # that corresponds with fluxbox |
| 01:06.11 | Nyle | unreal-dude: when you do startx fluxbox will launch |
| 01:07.14 | Nyle | unreal-dude: fluxbox configurations files are in ~/.fluxbox and also browse /usr/share/docs/fluxbox (which i think should logically be there, i've never read it) |
| 01:07.16 | unreal-dude | only gnome shows up |
| 01:07.25 | Nyle | unreal-dude: then fluxbox isn't installed |
| 01:07.32 | abrotman | unreal-dude: ask #knoppix |
| 01:07.45 | unreal-dude | iim on debian, not knoppix |
| 01:07.51 | Nyle | unreal-dude: which debian release are you using |
| 01:08.15 | abrotman | oh .. sorry .. i misread |
| 01:08.21 | unreal-dude | erm, i think it is 40r0 |
| 01:08.28 | abrotman | that's fine .. |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | are you using something like gdm or kdm ? |
| 01:08.48 | klys | on second roll, we have: bogofilter, dspam, razor, spamassassin, spamoracle |
| 01:08.55 | unreal-dude | thinking that gdm is the DM in operation atm |
| 01:09.07 | Nyle | unreal-dude: what is the output of apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 01:09.32 | Nyle | unreal-dude: you should be able to select fluxbox in gdm |
| 01:09.50 | klys | it's just because scribe isn't in apt, I should know better |
| 01:10.02 | abrotman | unreal-dude: is fluxbox even installed ? |
| 01:10.31 | unreal-dude | 500 http://mirror.cs.wisc.edu etch/main Packages |
| 01:10.31 | unreal-dude | 500 cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 |
| 01:10.48 | abrotman | unreal-dude: dpkg -l | grep flux .. is it installed ? |
| 01:10.52 | Nyle | unreal-dude: apt-get install fluxbox? |
| 01:11.03 | unreal-dude | did it |
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| 01:11.33 | unreal-dude | Reading package lists... Done |
| 01:11.33 | unreal-dude | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 01:11.33 | unreal-dude | fluxbox is already the newest version. |
| 01:11.33 | unreal-dude | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 01:11.37 | abrotman | unreal-dude: dpkg -l | grep flux .. is it installed ? |
| 01:11.41 | abrotman | okay ... |
| 01:11.51 | abrotman | in gdm .. there should be a session selector .. is fluxbox listed ? |
| 01:12.00 | unreal-dude | lost me :P |
| 01:12.07 | unreal-dude | gdm got a GUI? |
| 01:12.12 | Nyle | unreal-dude: and fluxbox is not listed in update-alternatives or gdm? |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:12.24 | abrotman | gdm is a GUI login manager |
| 01:12.31 | Nyle | !gdm |
| 01:12.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gdm is the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
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| 01:12.46 | CJLucas | anyone use rtorrent with xmlrpc in here? |
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| 01:15.20 | disgruntal | how can i install a .tar.gz? |
| 01:15.30 | abrotman | uncompress it .. read the instructions |
| 01:15.33 | abrotman | what is it ? |
| 01:15.45 | disgruntal | skype phone service |
| 01:16.33 | abrotman | should have instructions |
| 01:16.41 | unreal-dude | omg, i rly feel nub now |
| 01:17.20 | abrotman | nub ? |
| 01:17.52 | geo-rge | nubus? |
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| 01:18.05 | abrotman | nubula ? |
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| 01:18.25 | disgruntal | is there a way to get to tty1?? using something like ctrl F1? |
| 01:18.35 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:18.37 | unreal-dude | on login, i completely missed this, it has the option in "session" to change DM's |
| 01:18.53 | unreal-dude | i did succeed in installing fluxbox tho :) |
| 01:18.54 | abrotman | right |
| 01:19.02 | disgruntal | if it dosn't work do i need to set it up? |
| 01:19.54 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
| 01:20.10 | disgruntal | hmm... not working. |
| 01:20.33 | disgruntal | im using a windows keyboard that is usb.. might that be the problem? |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | no |
| 01:21.07 | disgruntal | sorry if the questions are rather on the dumb side... I'm still learning. |
| 01:21.12 | geo-rge | my keyboard is usa! |
| 01:21.56 | disgruntal | i have a .deb file could i use the install manager to install this file instead of going about the tar.gz way? |
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| 01:22.32 | geo-rge | see: dpkg --help |
| 01:22.42 | disgruntal | ty |
| 01:22.59 | geo-rge | dpkg gots lotsa trix |
| 01:23.30 | disgruntal | is it for tar.gz and .deb? |
| 01:23.46 | geo-rge | no just .deb |
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| 01:24.11 | disgruntal | is there a link to explain how to unzip something in linux then how to go about installing it? |
| 01:24.19 | geo-rge | .tar.gz can be used for anything btw |
| 01:24.33 | disgruntal | ok so it is the standard sorta? |
| 01:24.37 | geo-rge | you can backup your home dir into a .tar.gz |
| 01:24.44 | disgruntal | ahhh |
| 01:24.56 | disgruntal | so in a bad example it is like a zip program then |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | yes .. roughly |
| 01:25.03 | geo-rge | you can put pr0n in uh .tar.gz |
| 01:25.27 | disgruntal | what is pr0n? |
| 01:25.28 | geo-rge | yeah, it's like rar zip etc |
| 01:25.39 | disgruntal | ok... i've used zip and rar |
| 01:25.52 | geo-rge | you fry em up and use tartar sauce |
| 01:26.12 | geo-rge | fried breadded pr0nz |
| 01:27.10 | disgruntal | lol |
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| 01:27.48 | geo-rge | or yue kan reed pr0n0 maguhzeenz |
| 01:28.00 | disgruntal | the dpkg -i didn't work do i need to unpack then install .deb? |
| 01:28.05 | disgruntal | roflmao |
| 01:28.39 | geo-rge | didn |
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| 01:28.45 | geo-rge | didnt work for what? |
| 01:28.57 | geo-rge | show the command you typed in |
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| 01:29.11 | disgruntal | the command dpkg -i "file im trying to install.deb" |
| 01:29.43 | geo-rge | is fileimtryuingtointall.deb in the dir where you're in there? |
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| 01:30.01 | disgruntal | yes im in a terminal window where the file is |
| 01:30.10 | geo-rge | liek, if yue say ell ess |
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| 01:30.32 | geo-rge | an hoo aR yue logd in az? |
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| 01:30.54 | disgruntal | root.. did the su then password in terminal window |
| 01:31.16 | ttuttle | Hey, I'm trying to rip a DVD with dvd::rip, and when I click "Grab frame" in the Clip & Zoom tab, it spins up the drive but just sits there. |
| 01:31.16 | geo-rge | ok... why did it not work? |
| 01:31.21 | disgruntal | say's dependency problems |
| 01:31.27 | geo-rge | ohh |
| 01:31.41 | geo-rge | what does it say specifically |
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| 01:32.00 | geo-rge | in a nutshell that is... don't spewage :L) |
| 01:32.05 | simonrvn | disgruntal: please ask before /msg people |
| 01:32.17 | simonrvn | and no, you can't |
| 01:32.29 | disgruntal | skype depends on libqt4-core (>= 4.2.1) |
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| 01:33.01 | disgruntal | and other depends on is libqt4-gui |
| 01:33.03 | geo-rge | aww kay,,, try apt-get install libqt4-core |
| 01:33.24 | disgruntal | simonrvn: ?? what did i do wrong? |
| 01:34.07 | simonrvn | you /msg'ed me without asking, like i said |
| 01:34.09 | geo-rge | he's prpbably busy... but theres a rule too, don't msg folks without asking first |
| 01:34.18 | disgruntal | ah.. sorry didn't meen too! |
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| 01:34.57 | simonrvn | yes i am, redesigning a wiki's template |
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| 01:35.14 | simonrvn | disgruntal: well you know now :). |
| 01:37.59 | disgruntal | what is super cow powers in dpkg?? |
| 01:38.11 | disgruntal | just a joke? |
| 01:38.22 | geo-rge | apt-get moo |
| 01:38.34 | geo-rge | then you get the cowpower |
| 01:38.53 | disgruntal | ROFLMAO |
| 01:38.58 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:39.00 | krazykit | aptitude moo is better, especially when you make it verbose ;-) |
| 01:39.01 | geo-rge | but if there's no pow then you're left with cower |
| 01:39.10 | disgruntal | what is verbose? |
| 01:39.17 | krazykit | -v |
| 01:39.26 | disgruntal | no easter eggs.... |
| 01:39.34 | krazykit | aptitude moo -v. then try -vv, -vvv, etc |
| 01:39.55 | simonrvn | keep at it ;) |
| 01:40.09 | geo-rge | well this is verbose you see when you say a lot about a little that's kinda verbose and when you say more and more about less and less until pretty soon you're saying everything about nothing that's infinitely verbose don't you think? |
| 01:40.16 | disgruntal | lol |
| 01:40.30 | disgruntal | k |
| 01:40.45 | simonrvn | geo-rge: well some are cumulative ;) |
| 01:41.03 | geo-rge | eeeeewwwww |
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| 01:41.54 | disgruntal | the 2 dependency's didn't install for me told me to use a -f with it then that only showed a list of other commands |
| 01:42.50 | disgruntal | say's something about unmet dependencies |
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| 01:44.56 | geo-rge | disgruntal: try this... dpkg --purge skype |
| 01:45.05 | geo-rge | then try the apt-get thing |
| 01:45.23 | disgruntal | it say's removing skype |
| 01:45.28 | geo-rge | see... I have no idea why... |
| 01:45.50 | ttuttle | Does anyone know of a DVD ripping program that will handle the CSS? |
| 01:46.08 | ttuttle | I'm using dvdbackup, but whenever I play the ripped files in mplayer, it starts hitting the disc to find the keys. |
| 01:46.22 | geo-rge | but the guy doing most of the initial coding for apt (which was called deity at the time) ... |
| 01:46.27 | geo-rge | was a cow nut |
| 01:46.36 | geo-rge | he loves cows |
| 01:46.50 | disgruntal | lol |
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| 01:47.22 | geo-rge | to err is human... to moo, bovine |
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| 01:49.21 | simonrvn | the ML is still called deity IIRC |
| 01:49.49 | simonrvn | deity@lists.debian.org i mean |
| 01:50.10 | disgruntal | trying to reinstall it stops at cannot access archive |
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| 01:51.11 | disgruntal | this is agervating... I am use to windows and want to get away from it... |
| 01:51.21 | disgruntal | trial and error :-) |
| 01:51.26 | vigilant | How can i disable subversion to work on a directory, like not make it require authentication on a certain website? |
| 01:51.32 | geo-rge | it's going to be that for awhile |
| 01:51.56 | geo-rge | why should we lie? :) |
| 01:52.05 | disgruntal | hehe |
| 01:52.15 | Gaidin | hello. in gnome when i connect to a ftp server (with login through places, connect to a server) how do i set it to pasv? |
| 01:52.25 | disgruntal | is there another way to get the dependancy's i need? |
| 01:52.29 | geo-rge | linux pretty much -requires- you to put time into your own technical knowledge |
| 01:52.52 | geo-rge | why can't you access the archive? |
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| 01:53.43 | disgruntal | honestly i don't know. The commands are working but it isn't doing what it needs to. Act's like something is conflicting but i don't know what. |
| 01:53.56 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 01:54.25 | simonrvn | "'s" is not plural either ;) |
| 01:54.48 | geo-rge | splural not? |
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| 01:55.18 | ozatomic | anyone tried to install debian onto a Dell PowerEdge 2950 system? |
| 01:55.38 | abrotman | maybe! |
| 01:55.48 | geo-rge | YOU DID!!! |
| 01:56.20 | ozatomic | well it doesn't load the installer up |
| 01:56.26 | disgruntal | lol... say's couldn't find package |
| 01:56.32 | geo-rge | so the answer is yes :P |
| 01:56.42 | ozatomic | no doens't say couldn't find package |
| 01:57.04 | simonrvn | s/he wasn't talking to you |
| 01:57.10 | ozatomic | ok |
| 01:57.14 | abrotman | findpackage ? |
| 01:57.38 | disgruntal | the exact is "E: Couldn't find package skype-debian_1.4.0.99-1_i386.deb" |
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| 01:58.00 | disgruntal | when i do a ls the package is there it is the only thing in this driectory |
| 01:58.10 | geo-rge | oh, |
| 01:58.23 | geo-rge | hold off before trying to install that |
| 01:58.29 | disgruntal | ok |
| 01:58.41 | geo-rge | did you --purge it? |
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| 01:59.41 | disgruntal | yes and it gave an error |
| 02:00.10 | geo-rge | what was the error? |
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| 02:00.51 | e` | how would the proper way be to allow a regular user to be able to change the password of just 1 other users. like I want them to be able to do sudo passwd user1. then be able to change that users password only |
| 02:01.10 | e` | i know i have to edit the /etc/sudoers file, but not sure on the syntax for that |
| 02:01.56 | disgruntal | wait maybe i didn't purge it |
| 02:02.11 | geo-rge | dpkg --purge skype |
| 02:02.51 | disgruntal | ahh.. yes i did purge.. it said removing... now it say's isn't installed |
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| 02:03.33 | geo-rge | ok, now try apt-get -f install |
| 02:03.39 | geo-rge | just that |
| 02:04.36 | lymeca | How do I search for ALL files within / that have the extension '.milk'? |
| 02:04.41 | disgruntal | everything is good and last part say's 2 not upgraded |
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| 02:04.59 | abrotman | lymeca: man find |
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| 02:05.23 | disgruntal | lymeca i think it is "ls *.milk" |
| 02:05.29 | Zylstra555 | Hello (again) I finally got my Mac to load Debian correctly, sort of... The Gnome Settings Manager is not working. Any ideas where I should start? |
| 02:05.37 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
| 02:05.49 | lymeca | disgruntal: No because I want to search subdirectories as well |
| 02:05.59 | disgruntal | ok :-) |
| 02:07.08 | Zylstra555 | How can I repair the Gnome Settings Manager? It has suggested that something might be interrupting it (another manager) |
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| 02:07.55 | Zylstra555 | However, I haven't installed any other managers, the OS was just installed, and the last time I did a fresh install, the same thing happened |
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| 02:08.36 | CRowen | hi all |
| 02:08.38 | Nyle | man, out of laziness I try to use kubuntu again, and guess what. It ends up pissing me off like always |
| 02:08.50 | Nyle | fuck it, I'm going back to debian and i'll take the time to configure things. |
| 02:08.54 | Nyle | thats it, i've had it |
| 02:09.06 | disgruntal | debian and suse are the 2 i like |
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| 02:09.32 | abrotman | disgruntal: do you have a translator we can borrow ? |
| 02:09.48 | disgruntal | ? |
| 02:12.19 | disgruntal | is there something in debian that is like yast in suse? |
| 02:12.41 | Zylstra555 | Hey, this question is for anyone out there: What is the point of channel fowarding? |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | disgruntal: vi |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | Zylstra555: network guidelines |
| 02:13.12 | abrotman | Zylstra555: you mean like #php going to ##php ? |
| 02:13.22 | Zylstra555 | Abrotoman: Yes |
| 02:13.25 | disgruntal | vi isn't it just for editing? |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | Zylstra555: ## means unofficial |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | too bad i can't find anything about it |
| 02:14.44 | Zylstra555 | Abrotoman: So, when I go to #Linux, and it forwards me to ##Linux, its just unofficial, but still the same thing? |
| 02:14.52 | abrotman | it's abrotman |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | Zylstra555: yes |
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| 02:17.46 | Zylstra555 | And now, to pointlessly re-ask my question: |
| 02:17.48 | Zylstra555 | Hello (again) I finally got my Mac to load Debian correctly, sort of... The Gnome Settings Manager is not working. Any ideas where I should start? |
| 02:18.06 | e` | where is the passwd command stored? /usr/bin/passwd is the only location? |
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| 02:18.21 | k-man_ | i don't really get how xrdp works... is it an x server in itself? |
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| 02:19.46 | disgruntal | dang it... i installed it using a gui |
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| 02:20.11 | disgruntal | dose the command alsaconf configer the sound in debian? |
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| 02:21.17 | KurtKraut | Where can I find a list of mirrors of the official repositories ? |
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| 02:23.56 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:23.57 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 02:24.27 | KurtKraut | abrotman: thx |
| 02:25.12 | disgruntal | if after reinitializing my sound card it still dosn't work is there another command to use other than alsaconf? |
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| 02:26.43 | disgruntal | !sound |
| 02:26.43 | dpkg | from memory, sound is ask me about <alsa checklist>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://wiki.debian.org/UseSoundCard |
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| 02:27.37 | disgruntal | !sarge |
| 02:27.37 | dpkg | sarge is probably Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 02:27.52 | abrotman | disgruntal: msg the bot |
| 02:27.57 | paolob | Hi guys! I have sid, and I'm trying to administer with SDM my cisco router (857), but whatever browser I use (icewaesel, epiphany, opera), the router software tells me that the browser should be at least a netscape 7.1 one, while all "my" browsers are 7.0 ones. Any hint why it says so? |
| 02:28.10 | disgruntal | ok |
| 02:28.23 | abrotman | paolob: tried iceape ? |
| 02:28.31 | paolob | abrotman, yes, it's the same |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | paolob: it's apparently looking for a UA string |
| 02:28.48 | paolob | !cisco |
| 02:28.49 | dpkg | cisco makes the routers that move the pr0n across the internet at a very high rate of exchange. a company full of patent protected punks! |
| 02:28.59 | abrotman | paolob: try mucking with the opera UA string and see if it works |
| 02:29.11 | paolob | abrotman, explain it better, please |
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| 02:29.13 | abrotman | (there's a way to do it with IW too) |
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| 02:30.48 | abrotman | paolob: you can change the string that is used to ID the browser |
| 02:31.07 | paolob | abrotman, ok, let me see |
| 02:31.41 | dennis__ | hi. i installed debian etch + vserver-kernel. how i can install a gentoo linux as virtual server? it is possible? |
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| 02:32.05 | abrotman | paolob: in opera .. go the site .. right click on the page .. go to 'edit site preferences' and then go to the network tab .. and change it to ID as IE |
| 02:32.19 | KurtKraut | I did a pretty clean netinstall of debian and I want to set up a minimal desktop interface. I did apt-get install fluxbox, that installed x11-common from dependencies. How can I start X with fluxbox ? startx is not existant. |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | KurtKraut: aptitude install xorg |
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| 02:33.48 | teletype | does etch have some default configuration, something echoed to a /proc file perhaps, that would mess up iptables masquerading? |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | iptables is clean by default |
| 02:34.39 | teletype | i didn't think it did anything odd. i'm 100% stymied, then. =( |
| 02:34.54 | abrotman | asked #iptables ? |
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| 02:35.02 | teletype | yep, waiting on an answer still |
| 02:35.03 | abrotman | !tell teletype about iptables |
| 02:35.12 | teletype | yes, i know iptables |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | teletype: they seem to be more active during the day on .us time |
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| 02:35.23 | teletype | i wouldn't be asking on irc if i wasn't stymied |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | teletype: you didn't ask very much :) |
| 02:36.22 | teletype | some connections, e.g. ssh, smtp, are fine. others, e.g. http, will connect, but then hang. ie, if i telnet to port 80 on an external web server, and issue an http request, no response. i can see the response come in on the external interface on the firewall box via tcpdump, but i can't see it g o out on the internal interface |
| 02:36.54 | teletype | but i can see 2 way communication for traffic like ssh and smtp. reduced the firewall rules to the bare minimum i'd need to do masquerading, so there are no rules at all in there that would be specific to any port... |
| 02:36.56 | teletype | weird, huh? |
| 02:36.57 | abrotman | you did the established/related stuff ? |
| 02:37.02 | teletype | yep... |
| 02:37.15 | teletype | dude, ssh, smtp, imap work fine... |
| 02:37.19 | teletype | http, no dice. |
| 02:37.26 | abrotman | could it be some rdns thing ? |
| 02:37.29 | Gaidin | my windows hd won't mount its in fat32 when i attempt to mount it gives the error Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy. with details hal-storage-fixed-mount uid 1000 |
| 02:37.33 | teletype | i know what i'm doing. but it's not working like it should. |
| 02:37.37 | teletype | nothing to do w/ dns, no |
| 02:37.38 | Gaidin | how do i go about mounting it |
| 02:37.55 | teletype | gaidin: try from the command line? |
| 02:38.05 | Gaidin | will do |
| 02:38.07 | teletype | "mount /dev/whatever /mnt" as root, it'll figure out the fs type |
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| 02:38.17 | Gaidin | ok |
| 02:38.22 | abrotman | wait .. so the HTTP server sends the response .. but you don't get it ? |
| 02:38.27 | teletype | if it doesn't work it'll at least give you a more meaningful error |
| 02:38.33 | teletype | precisely, abrot |
| 02:38.46 | teletype | but smtp works fine.. weird, huh? |
| 02:38.56 | Gaidin | i heard it wind up |
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| 02:39.37 | teletype | it's not my isp doing anything funky, either. this worked a couple hours ago. i had an amd64 ubuntu box as my firewall. had to reinstall because i wanted to move it to a p4 mobo, so no 64 bit. installed etch instead of ubuntu as it's just a server now. copied the same iptables script i used for the past 2 years. no dice. |
| 02:39.40 | Gaidin | its not even in computer anymore |
| 02:39.44 | disgruntal | This system say's i have sound but i hear nothing |
| 02:39.50 | teletype | gaidin: if it's not in the computer, how could it spin up? |
| 02:39.57 | Gaidin | lol |
| 02:39.59 | Gaidin | i mean |
| 02:40.05 | Gaidin | in file browser |
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| 02:40.12 | teletype | disgruntal: did you check the volume levels in your mixer? some distros leave all channels muted by default. |
| 02:40.12 | Gaidin | ie on the desktop |
| 02:40.16 | Gaidin | computer |
| 02:40.23 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:40.23 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 02:40.25 | teletype | gaidin, can't help you there. i'm a command line guy.. |
| 02:40.34 | disgruntal | yes i used alsamixer and uped all iteams and also check to make sure mute is off |
| 02:40.34 | teletype | did it mount from the command line? can you ls the mountpont? |
| 02:40.53 | Gaidin | it has also dissapeared from the quickmount menu |
| 02:40.59 | teletype | no idea what a quickmount menu is |
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| 02:41.11 | teletype | abrotman: would you agree my problem is bizarre, anyway? |
| 02:41.16 | abrotman | teletype: yes |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | especially since some protocols work |
| 02:41.25 | teletype | ok, so i'm not crazy |
| 02:41.26 | abrotman | possibly UDP related ? |
| 02:41.35 | teletype | yes, especially since some protocols work, and it was the same config i used the past 2 years. |
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| 02:41.42 | teletype | how would udp enter into http traffic? |
| 02:41.49 | abrotman | does the syslog show what it's doing with that return HTTP ? |
| 02:41.56 | abrotman | teletype: NFC .. just asking :) |
| 02:42.00 | teletype | i have 6 different checkpoint firewalls at work that allow no udp through except for DNS, and http works through all of those.. |
| 02:42.06 | teletype | syslog and dmesg show nothing.. |
| 02:42.17 | teletype | they wouldn't unless i told iptables to log a specific event |
| 02:42.27 | teletype | but if i knew what event to log i'd probably know what's wrong |
| 02:42.37 | abrotman | log it all :) |
| 02:42.54 | teletype | but.. this worked for 2 years. |
| 02:42.58 | teletype | the variable here is the distro |
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| 02:43.14 | teletype | i've used this same config on sarge too |
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| 02:43.27 | teletype | so what changed from sarge to etch... |
| 02:43.30 | abrotman | the kernel |
| 02:43.46 | teletype | yes, or, something it's doing to initialise a feature of the kernel, ie something in /proc |
| 02:44.05 | abrotman | well .. it could be a bug in the kernel |
| 02:44.10 | teletype | hmm |
| 02:44.19 | teletype | well i can't try *exactly* the old kernel as it was 64 bit |
| 02:44.20 | abrotman | but i'd imagine it'd be well known |
| 02:44.25 | teletype | yeah |
| 02:44.34 | teletype | tonnes of people woudl complain about this |
| 02:44.37 | teletype | if it happened to everyone |
| 02:44.44 | xaque | How do I tell X to reread ~/.Xresources? |
| 02:44.55 | teletype | which leads me to believe it's not an etch problem either. this would have been fixed looong before etch ever went stable. |
| 02:45.11 | teletype | and i've tried it from multiple client machines so it's nothing weird there, either. |
| 02:45.41 | abrotman | you could try a newer kernel on etch? |
| 02:46.00 | teletype | xaque: xrdb -merge |
| 02:46.07 | teletype | abrot, could do |
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| 02:46.36 | abrotman | teletype: backports.org might have a newer |
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| 02:46.47 | teletype | or i could just use kernel-package and build one |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | you could :) |
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| 02:48.20 | MTecknology | I'm trying to install debian with encrypted lvm but it hits an error when it's trying to partition if I do the "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" |
| 02:48.28 | teletype | well finally i got an answer on #iptables but just another person assuming i don't know what i'm doing (like most folks who probably ask) and telling me to check something basic =( |
| 02:48.31 | Gaidin | i gotta reboot bbiab |
| 02:48.41 | abrotman | teletype: maybe the cable isn't plugged in! :) |
| 02:49.00 | teletype | he asked me if forwarding was on.. how would some connections work if it wasn't? heh |
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| 02:49.29 | disgruntal | I'm stumped with the sound on this machine. |
| 02:49.49 | k-man_ | if i modify inetd, do i need to restart anything? |
| 02:50.00 | teletype | disgruntal, did you check alsamixer? |
| 02:50.08 | teletype | k-man, yes, send a HUP to inetd |
| 02:50.15 | disgruntal | yes the mute is off and everything is at max. |
| 02:50.20 | teletype | killall -HUP inetd, or killall -HUP xinetd if yo uuse that |
| 02:50.34 | disgruntal | my system isn't even beeping. |
| 02:50.38 | teletype | disgruntal, your speakers are plugged in, and into the right port, and turned on, with their volume up? |
| 02:50.43 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 02:50.51 | disgruntal | yes |
| 02:51.00 | disgruntal | yes! I double check that. |
| 02:51.00 | teletype | do you dual boot or is this just linux? |
| 02:51.18 | disgruntal | this is only debian.. fresh install from about 1 hour agoe |
| 02:51.29 | teletype | first time you ran anything at all on this machine? |
| 02:51.38 | MTecknology | DA** It died again |
| 02:51.52 | disgruntal | yes.. i have another system like it and everything works.. they are dell desktops |
| 02:52.10 | disgruntal | integrated sound, video, ethernet cards |
| 02:52.12 | teletype | hrm. i doubt it's hardware.. kde, gnome, other? |
| 02:52.18 | disgruntal | gnome |
| 02:52.31 | abrotman | is esound/esd running ? |
| 02:52.37 | teletype | ok ps auxw | grep esd |
| 02:52.39 | MTecknology | Is there a minimum size for setting up encrypted LVM? |
| 02:52.39 | teletype | is it running? |
| 02:52.52 | disgruntal | not sure.. there's not an icon loaded in gnome |
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| 02:53.00 | abrotman | disgruntal: it's a CLI command |
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| 02:53.06 | teletype | right, do that from the commnd line tho to be sure |
| 02:53.36 | disgruntal | just cli by it's self? |
| 02:53.40 | teletype | yes |
| 02:53.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:53.43 | teletype | ps auxw | grep esd |
| 02:54.00 | Wyzard | MTecknology: Aside from the tiny amount of overhead used by LUKS and LVM metadata, no |
| 02:54.05 | teletype | if it's running you should see two processes. if not, you will probably just see your grep process |
| 02:54.11 | disgruntal | say's command not found?? |
| 02:54.15 | teletype | uh?? |
| 02:54.17 | teletype | ps? |
| 02:54.27 | teletype | /bin/ps |
| 02:54.31 | teletype | is that found? |
| 02:54.43 | MTecknology | Wyzard, should it be able to do that guided - encrypted lvm on an hd with .7G of space? |
| 02:54.55 | disgruntal | yes 2 things esd and grep esd |
| 02:54.56 | Wyzard | MTecknology: That should be plenty |
| 02:55.02 | teletype | hmm, mighty odd |
| 02:55.10 | abrotman | disgruntal: kill esd |
| 02:55.29 | teletype | esdcat /vmlinuz |
| 02:55.32 | MTecknology | Wyzard, Is there any chance it's b/c i split my virtual disk into 2G sections? which should have created 1 disk |
| 02:55.36 | teletype | if you do that does noise come out your speakers? |
| 02:55.38 | disgruntal | how can i get a job id for esd? |
| 02:55.42 | disgruntal | it is asking for one |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | you just had one |
| 02:55.45 | teletype | (if so control-c to stop it) |
| 02:55.50 | Wyzard | MTecknology: You mean a VMware virtual disk, I assume? |
| 02:55.53 | teletype | job id? process id? |
| 02:56.00 | MTecknology | ya |
| 02:56.02 | disgruntal | id assume process id |
| 02:56.10 | teletype | it is the 2nd column in the output of the previous command |
| 02:56.13 | disgruntal | it say's job though |
| 02:56.14 | teletype | but just killall -9 esd |
| 02:56.21 | teletype | that will kill it |
| 02:56.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: raining hard down there ? |
| 02:56.29 | Wyzard | MTecknology: That 2GB split thing is completely invisible to the software within the virtual machine... that's just a different way of storing the virtual disk on the host system, because some filesystems can't deal with files bigger than 2GB |
| 02:56.31 | disgruntal | fok |
| 02:56.33 | disgruntal | ok |
| 02:56.45 | teletype | after that, do "esdcat </dev/rand" |
| 02:56.48 | Wyzard | MTecknology: I generally turn that option off, but it shouldn't really make any difference |
| 02:56.52 | abrotman | seriously some goofy weather |
| 02:56.56 | teletype | and see if you get noise out of your speakers |
| 02:57.04 | Wyzard | abrotman: nope, it's dry here |
| 02:57.10 | disgruntal | say's no such file or directory |
| 02:57.20 | teletype | er /dev/random |
| 02:57.20 | Wyzard | MTecknology: What problem are you encountering? |
| 02:57.23 | MTecknology | Wyzard, would allocating disk space now be better or worse? |
| 02:57.25 | teletype | esdcat </dev/random |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: it's like there's a bubble over the area .. no rain for weeks (i guess you know that) |
| 02:57.40 | disgruntal | not found. |
| 02:57.41 | MTecknology | Wyzard, it complains when it starts partitioning, i don't have the error up now |
| 02:57.47 | teletype | sorry, got to learn not to abbreviate such things when typing the way i would when just thinking it.. or something =) |
| 02:57.48 | abrotman | i guess two weeks now |
| 02:58.02 | teletype | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:58.08 | teletype | or esdcat isn't? |
| 02:58.08 | Wyzard | MTecknology: Allocating all the space up-front is better for performance and avoids fragmentation... I usually do it |
| 02:58.18 | MTecknology | k |
| 02:58.20 | MTecknology | i did |
| 02:58.27 | disgruntal | .. /dev/random but i can see the directory |
| 02:58.41 | teletype | well, now that you've killed esd, do "ps auxw | grep esd" to make sure it got restarted. then try something w/ sound again |
| 02:58.43 | Wyzard | MTecknology: Again, though, it shouldn't make any difference to the VM (aside from performance) |
| 02:58.50 | teletype | and, what program aren't you getting any sound in? |
| 02:59.05 | MTecknology | i've seen freaky things happen :) |
| 02:59.06 | disgruntal | only grep esd |
| 02:59.10 | disgruntal | is showing |
| 02:59.11 | teletype | i see |
| 02:59.21 | teletype | ok, try: cat /dev/random >/dev/dsp" |
| 02:59.24 | teletype | and see if you get noise |
| 02:59.35 | ameyer | it'll be loud |
| 02:59.36 | teletype | without the quote of course |
| 02:59.48 | disgruntal | it is doing something and cursor is blinking... |
| 02:59.51 | teletype | no sound? |
| 02:59.55 | disgruntal | no sound |
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| 03:00.07 | teletype | and your volume is deffo up and unmuted in alsamixer? |
| 03:00.12 | disgruntal | still hasn't returned to the command line |
| 03:00.19 | teletype | yeah, it never will |
| 03:00.24 | disgruntal | yes all the way up and nothing is muted |
| 03:00.30 | teletype | /dev/random is an infinite stream of pseudorandom bytes |
| 03:00.32 | teletype | control-c to stop it |
| 03:00.36 | disgruntal | ahhh |
| 03:00.46 | teletype | you are absolutely 100% sure you have it plugged into the line out and not hte line in? |
| 03:01.10 | teletype | if esd is no longer running, and you cat /dev/random to /dev/dsp you should get sound... |
| 03:01.29 | sf3fs | after installing latest kernel, i've lost sound. when i try and fire up the volume mixer to change volume/mute, it says it can't find gstreamer plugins. |
| 03:01.31 | disgruntal | alsamixer shows full sound on everything |
| 03:01.39 | ameyer | disgruntal: what card? |
| 03:01.41 | teletype | if your sound card wasn't recognised it would not work at all, you'd get no such device, or device or resource busy |
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| 03:02.02 | disgruntal | it is an integrated into the dell board.. not sure what the chip set is. |
| 03:02.02 | timthelion | 3 weeks ago I upgraded to lenny from whatever it was that was before that, and the upgrade guide on the debian web site said to keep the old kernel around in case you have to re-install moduals on the new one. it turns out I need ndiswrapper and some nvidia drivers. but the guide didn't say how to re-install these moduals. it also turns out that what I have been doing for the last 3 weeks(just using the old kernel) won't |
| 03:02.07 | MTecknology | Wyzard, i'm trying again |
| 03:02.20 | ameyer | those have been somewhat tempramental since 2.6.9 or so |
| 03:02.37 | sf3fs | weird part is lspci shows the card as being detected |
| 03:02.54 | sf3fs | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801BA/BAM AC'97 Audio (rev 02) |
| 03:03.01 | disgruntal | for gigles i reran the cat /dev/random >/dev/dsp and pluged the speakers into the other spot and still nothing. |
| 03:03.05 | timthelion | sf3fs: is PCM muted? |
| 03:03.09 | sf3fs | nope |
| 03:03.10 | timthelion | sf3fs: alsamixer |
| 03:03.15 | ameyer | ding ding ding ding, we have a winner... |
| 03:03.23 | teletype | anyone have ANY idea why some protocols would masquerade properly (e.g. smtp, nntp, ssh), yet with others (e.g. http, oscar (aim)), i can establish a tcp connection, send traffic, but get no traffic back? |
| 03:03.29 | Wyzard | timthelion: use module-assistant to build the modules for the new kernel |
| 03:03.30 | disgruntal | teletype ty |
| 03:03.40 | teletype | i can see the traffic come back w/ tcpdump on the external interface, but when tcpdumping the internal, it doesn't work |
| 03:03.47 | teletype | disgruntal, plugged into line in? |
| 03:03.56 | sf3fs | alsamixer shows everything is ok. |
| 03:04.12 | timthelion | sf3fs: I have 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) which works, but I remember having to do a lot of muting and unmuting in alsamixer to get it there. |
| 03:04.17 | disgruntal | teletype: there is a plug on back and on front of system for sound |
| 03:04.30 | disgruntal | front is for earphones back is for speakers |
| 03:04.32 | teletype | one worked and other didn't? |
| 03:04.41 | disgruntal | neather |
| 03:04.48 | teletype | so why are you thanking me? |
| 03:04.53 | sf3fs | well wtf changed with a kernel update? and i read some forums where i'd have to recompile my shit to make it work. |
| 03:04.59 | disgruntal | for taking the time to help... |
| 03:05.08 | teletype | well i wasn't done |
| 03:05.14 | disgruntal | ah |
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| 03:05.17 | disgruntal | :-) |
| 03:05.32 | teletype | have you tried different hardware on the output? |
| 03:05.37 | teletype | ie diff speakers or headphones? |
| 03:05.48 | Wyzard | sf3fs: You said the problem is lack of gstreamer modules... that has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 03:06.03 | disgruntal | alsaconf only shows 2 iteams one is chipset and other is card.. how do i change output? |
| 03:06.07 | teletype | or, alternatively, if you don't have others convenient, if it's speakers, turn the volume way up. then plug them in, does it buzz when you plug them in? |
| 03:06.16 | teletype | wait, chipset and card? |
| 03:06.21 | disgruntal | yes.. headphones didn't work and speakers didn't work |
| 03:06.29 | teletype | eh? you should see different line in and out channels, a pcm channel, a master volume |
| 03:06.36 | disgruntal | no buzz |
| 03:07.02 | ameyer | sf3fs: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=579540 |
| 03:07.05 | teletype | what are the names of the channels you see in alsamixer? |
| 03:07.22 | disgruntal | the card is intel8X8 and other is legacy |
| 03:07.30 | teletype | wtf? |
| 03:07.37 | teletype | what card is this? |
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| 03:07.48 | phooka | lebacy is not a card, it's a driver |
| 03:07.51 | phooka | legacy* |
| 03:08.20 | disgruntal | it is a dell with integrated.. the other computer i use the first and sound works.. |
| 03:08.27 | nvz | phooka: how is Beruit treatin ya? ;) |
| 03:08.32 | teletype | and it's the same distro and everything? |
| 03:08.33 | phooka | integrated is always fun |
| 03:08.49 | phooka | nvz: i traded my debian points in for a bigger e-penis |
| 03:08.52 | ameyer | it seems to be the kernel |
| 03:08.53 | nvz | hah |
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| 03:09.03 | disgruntal | it is a 1.8ghz and this one is a 3ghz only difference from the 2 |
| 03:09.05 | MTecknology | Wyzard, "This probably happened because there are too many (primary) partitions in the partition table" |
| 03:09.10 | teletype | but the same debian install? |
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| 03:09.16 | disgruntal | yes |
| 03:09.21 | lesinge | anyone use NFS with mac os x successfully? |
| 03:09.23 | teletype | are they the same model? just diff cpu? |
| 03:09.31 | disgruntal | sorry same net install cd i burnd and did upgrades |
| 03:09.31 | teletype | lesinge: yep, all the time |
| 03:09.38 | nvz | phooka: you were probably close to getting the life time collection of AOL cds too |
| 03:09.40 | phooka | integrate cards are bitch :x |
| 03:09.42 | timthelion | how do I install ndiswrapper in one kernel, while being booted to another? |
| 03:09.43 | disgruntal | yes same model only different cpu |
| 03:09.46 | ameyer | back when I was using Fedora, I had similar issues on one kernel, but not an older kernel... |
| 03:09.53 | phooka | nvz: got that last week, they make awesome coasters |
| 03:09.57 | simonrvn | !spam phooka |
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| 03:10.03 | ameyer | this was on another AC97 setup... |
| 03:10.08 | Wyzard | MTecknology: The partition table only supports 4 primary partitions |
| 03:10.11 | teletype | dis: mighty bizarre. does alsamixer look the same on the other one? |
| 03:10.16 | Wyzard | MTecknology: but aren't you trying to use the automatic partitioning? |
| 03:10.19 | disgruntal | the alsamixer has master, master mono |
| 03:10.21 | MTecknology | Wyzard, ya |
| 03:10.26 | nvz | phooka: I got a friend who glued them up on his wall at his store like a boarder shiny side out |
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| 03:10.30 | phooka | simonrvn: lol? how am i spamming? |
| 03:10.38 | phooka | nvz: nice |
| 03:10.47 | lesinge | hrm.. ima look into it more |
| 03:10.48 | simonrvn | no, i was trying to remember the factoid |
| 03:10.58 | MTecknology | Wyzard, btw I said 0.7G, not 7G of total HD space |
| 03:11.01 | teletype | well then, zero clue. i've not used linux on the desktop in a while so haven't run into that sort of sound issue. my knowledge on that front is too old school i guess. =) |
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| 03:11.10 | ameyer | wait a second, who exactly is having then sound issue here... |
| 03:11.13 | lesinge | wanted to set it up so torrents would drop into nfs shared folder and rtorrent would d/l them on server |
| 03:11.17 | teletype | 2 people are, ameyer. |
| 03:11.18 | disgruntal | yes alsamixer has same stuff |
| 03:11.18 | Wyzard | MTecknology: Well, that probably wants to create 2 partitions, one for root and one for swap, so if you already have 3 other partitions, it won't be able to add 2 more |
| 03:11.21 | phooka | ameyer: disgruntal is |
| 03:11.39 | Bogus8 | why can't iceweasle connect... I normally use Opera but I wanted to test out some html code in another browser |
| 03:11.40 | ameyer | disgruntal: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=579540 |
| 03:11.41 | MTecknology | Wyzard, it looks like it tried to set up a total of 3 |
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| 03:12.04 | Bogus8 | I fired up Iceweasle and got "can't connect" and I rembered I had that before and never solved it just forgot about it |
| 03:12.05 | teletype | ameyer: disgruntal has the same debian install on two diff dell machines, same model w/ different cpu. on one, sound works fine. the other, no sound. had him kill esd and try to cat to /dev/dsp, still no sound. and alsamixer is different on each machine. different channels available. |
| 03:12.06 | Wyzard | MTecknology: 700MB will limit how much software you can install, of course, but it won't limit your ability to create partitions |
| 03:12.17 | Wyzard | MTecknology: You really only need two partitions: one for /boot and one for the LVM |
| 03:12.28 | MTecknology | I'll try manually... |
| 03:12.42 | Rhoruns | hmmm, why cant i connect to my PC over SSH? /usr/sbin/sshd is running, but putty wont connect. |
| 03:12.45 | simonrvn | Bogus8: it doesn't want to |
| 03:12.51 | teletype | now if anyone had the foggiest notion of what my iptables problem was.. and didn't just lead me to sources that say to check the usual culprits i already checked... =/ |
| 03:13.01 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: neither does epiphany :/ |
| 03:13.16 | Wyzard | Rhoruns: firewall blocking it maybe? |
| 03:13.21 | Rhoruns | rofl |
| 03:13.22 | Bogus8 | am I missing a connection setting? |
| 03:13.22 | Rhoruns | no |
| 03:13.24 | MTecknology | Wyzard, 100M /boot and rest encrypted LVM ? |
| 03:13.37 | simonrvn | Bogus8: proxy? |
| 03:13.38 | Rhoruns | there's no firewalll between my pcs on my network |
| 03:13.40 | Bogus8 | Opera NEVER has an issue connection |
| 03:13.42 | Wyzard | MTecknology: 100MB is more than you need, especially when you have only 700MB total |
| 03:13.49 | simonrvn | 100 MB is too much for /boot |
| 03:13.51 | Bogus8 | simonrvn: nope, straight NAT (dd-wrt) |
| 03:13.58 | MTecknology | 50? |
| 03:14.04 | Wyzard | MTecknology: My /boot has 14MB used with one kernel installed |
| 03:14.20 | Wyzard | MTecknology: If you want to have room for two kernels side-by-side (for upgrade purposes), I'd suggest 35 or so |
| 03:14.35 | simonrvn | yeh, 35-40 is cool |
| 03:14.44 | timthelion | how much disk does X without a wm or desktop environment take? |
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| 03:16.00 | Bogus8 | anyone have any clue why iceweasle AND epiphany won't connect but Opera ALWAYS does and always has |
| 03:16.13 | streuner | simonrvn: not if you need 50 different kernels ;-) |
| 03:16.28 | simonrvn | mine's 50 |
| 03:16.32 | streuner | heh |
| 03:16.38 | simonrvn | i have 3 in there plus initrs |
| 03:16.42 | teletype | i have set up masquerading w/ iptables as i've done a hundred times... this is debian etch, kernel 2.6.18. some connections, e.g. ssh, smtp, work fine from internal hosts. others, such as http, do not. i can telnet to the http port of an internal web server, but if i send an http request, it just hangs. can see the packet going out with tcpdump on the firewall host, but no return packet. i get the return packet on the external interface, it d |
| 03:16.42 | simonrvn | *ds |
| 03:16.50 | teletype | any ideas anyone? |
| 03:16.55 | Rhoruns | could someone tell me why my Debian PC is not broadcasting it's hostname to my router? it was shoing up right after i installed debian, but now my router can't detect it. |
| 03:16.59 | simonrvn | actually, 45 |
| 03:17.16 | teletype | rho: broadcasting its hostname how? |
| 03:17.30 | Wyzard | Rhoruns: That's the "send host-name" option in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf... it's disabled by default, for some reason |
| 03:17.39 | teletype | oh, dhcp |
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| 03:17.44 | Rhoruns | oh, let me check real quick.. |
| 03:17.58 | disgruntal | ???????????? now the speakers work but mic dosn't?? did someone slip a willie in my drink? |
| 03:18.00 | timthelion | is there a way to get a breakdown list of packages and how much disk they, and their dependencies use? |
| 03:18.04 | Wyzard | Rhoruns: but a hostname shouldn't be necessary for your router to "detect" your PC |
| 03:18.06 | MTecknology | Wyzard, i did 50M for /boot and created an encrypted LVM with the rest |
| 03:18.13 | teletype | dis: not as bad as the one they've slipped in mine. |
| 03:18.38 | Rhoruns | Wyzard, i can see my PC just fine on ym network, but Putty cant connect for some reason, i can't firgure it out, |
| 03:18.50 | simonrvn | timthelion: dpigs IIRC |
| 03:18.59 | teletype | dis: iptables masquerading, which i've set up way more times than i can count, isn't working properly, in a very unpredictable manner, using the exact same init scripts i've used for 2 years, on a new box i set up. go figure. |
| 03:19.23 | simonrvn | timthelion: yeh dpigs |
| 03:19.43 | simonrvn | timthelion: in debian-goodies |
| 03:19.51 | simonrvn | !+find bin/dpigs |
| 03:19.52 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:20.07 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dpigs' (1): (/usr/bin/dpigs) in utils/debian-goodies. |
| 03:20.35 | disgruntal | this is tripy!! |
| 03:20.45 | teletype | disgruntal: not as much as this, believe me. |
| 03:20.49 | timthelion | another 639K of disk space bites the dust! |
| 03:20.54 | lesinge | wow, this channel is busy |
| 03:20.57 | MTecknology | Wyzard, no need for swap, is there? |
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| 03:21.13 | Wyzard | MTecknology: depends on how much RAM you have, but if you want/need it, put it in the LVM |
| 03:21.22 | disgruntal | teletype is there a link to show me how to use some of those commands you gave me? |
| 03:21.22 | teletype | i have been using linux since kernel 0.99 and have never been this stymied... |
| 03:21.28 | MTecknology | i have 1G on my system and i'm giving it 156 |
| 03:21.31 | teletype | which commands? |
| 03:21.43 | Rhoruns | my sendf host-name is set to "bayo1";, is this appropriate? |
| 03:21.47 | Rhoruns | send** |
| 03:21.59 | MTecknology | Wyzard, 50M swap |
| 03:22.01 | MTecknology | ?8 |
| 03:22.03 | MTecknology | ?* |
| 03:22.19 | Wyzard | MTecknology: You have more RAM than disk space... I wouldn't bother with swap |
| 03:22.24 | MTecknology | k |
| 03:22.46 | lesinge | leave #debian |
| 03:22.50 | lesinge | oops |
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| 03:23.15 | disgruntal | how you put the |grep with another.. just a list of general configering commands for system use. |
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| 03:25.01 | timthelion | hmm, the top of my dpigs list is(drum roll):135200 texlive-fonts-extra |
| 03:25.07 | simonrvn | a bit of swap is nice, helps. kernel works best even with a little |
| 03:25.18 | simonrvn | timthelion: yeh, it's effing huge |
| 03:25.21 | Wyzard | simonrvn: with 1GB RAM and 700MB disk? :-/ |
| 03:25.22 | disgruntal | Teletype: ok.. now mic is working after rerunning alsaconf again. now only problem is a program called skype isn't letting the mic threw but the mic is working on the system. |
| 03:25.28 | timthelion | and the seccond item is 126180 texlive-latex-extra |
| 03:25.31 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 03:25.41 | simonrvn | yeh, forgo it then |
| 03:25.47 | simonrvn | no choice |
| 03:26.14 | timthelion | hmm, he's not going to hibernate without taking some ram out of that system. |
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| 03:26.34 | Wyzard | timthelion: It's a VMware virtual machine, so that's not an issue |
| 03:26.43 | simonrvn | oh |
| 03:26.54 | IceGuest_75 | is the java6-plugin package available yet for amd64? |
| 03:26.55 | timthelion | why are you so disk constrained? |
| 03:27.12 | Wyzard | timthelion: (Actually, VMware implements ACPI sleep by doing VMware's "pause", which saves the RAM to a separate file on the host's filesystem, separate from the virtual disk) |
| 03:27.31 | Wyzard | IceGuest_75: AFAIK, Sun hasn't released a 64-bit Java plugin yet |
| 03:27.56 | Wyzard | IceGuest_75: It's not an issue of Debian not having a package ready yet; the software just doesn't exist |
| 03:27.58 | dalias | hey guys |
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| 03:28.10 | IceGuest_75 | Wyzard do you know when this might occur, i have all the other packages installed |
| 03:28.12 | timthelion | Wyzard: then why use 1.7 gigs, 1 of it for the pause image? and not like 2 or something? |
| 03:28.23 | dalias | i'm using sawfish as my wm and uim-toolbar-gtk is always on top of other windows, even always-on-top/fullscreen windows |
| 03:28.29 | dalias | is there any way to fix that? |
| 03:28.58 | Wyzard | timthelion: I don't see what point you're trying to make... he has a 700MB virtual-disk file, and if he pauses, he'll also have a 1GB saved-RAM file |
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| 03:29.13 | IceGuest_75 | Wyzard do you know when? |
| 03:29.37 | simonrvn | email sun |
| 03:29.40 | Wyzard | IceGuest_75: no idea... ask Sun |
| 03:29.40 | timthelion | why can't the user make a 1 gigabyte virtual disk file? |
| 03:29.57 | IceGuest_75 | probably another year |
| 03:30.06 | IceGuest_75 | hey thanks for the help |
| 03:30.11 | Wyzard | timthelion: The user can, but that has nothing to do with the pause feature... making the disk bigger doesn't reduce the amount of RAM that needs to be saved when the VM is paused |
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| 03:31.54 | timthelion | Wyzard: I'm just thinking that 700 megs is un unesesary, and limiting restraint when there is 1.7 gigs free to be used. |
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| 03:32.53 | timthelion | and if there is not 1.7 gigs free to be used, than the user ought to alocate a smaller amount of ram for the system, anything that installs within the proposed 700 meg limit, I think should be happy with 256 megs of ram. |
| 03:33.29 | ameyer | maybe, maybe not |
| 03:33.35 | ameyer | does it run firefox? |
| 03:34.06 | Wyzard | timthelion: Neither of us has any idea what he intends to run in the VM or how much space the host system has, so you can't really say what would be the best configuration for it |
| 03:34.27 | Wyzard | timthelion: Maybe he only intends to install a few packages beyond the base system, in which case 700MB is plenty |
| 03:34.37 | ameyer | I kid, firefox/iceweasel runs decently enough on 128 MB of RAM, I think it only eats large quantities of RAM if you have large quantities of RAM |
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| 03:37.07 | ameyer | although I'm not sure that you can squeeze enough stuff to run Firefox in 700 MB |
| 03:37.35 | lesinge | anyone use rTorrent? |
| 03:37.40 | ameyer | anyway... /me shuts up |
| 03:37.48 | amphi | ameyer: I ran ff in 32mb ;) |
| 03:37.59 | amphi | lesinge: probably many |
| 03:38.02 | lesinge | haha |
| 03:38.06 | ameyer | amphi: of disk? |
| 03:38.17 | lesinge | i'm thinking of using it on my headless server |
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| 03:38.22 | amphi | ameyer: ram |
| 03:38.38 | amphi | lesinge: it runs handily in screen |
| 03:38.56 | ameyer | I think you might be able to get Windows 98 and Firefox in 700 MB of disk, probably not firefox + $sane_setup though |
| 03:39.07 | lesinge | yeah, it seemed best bet.. was gonna set it up to watch a shared folder |
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| 03:40.05 | mnguyen | When I turn on my computer now, it flashes like crazy when it gets into X and doesn't exit... |
| 03:40.16 | mnguyen | how do I get access to the console |
| 03:40.18 | k-man_ | what is the default window manager debian uses? |
| 03:40.21 | mnguyen | so that I can modify xorg.conf |
| 03:40.49 | lesinge | gnome? |
| 03:41.00 | lesinge | k-man_: i think it's gnome |
| 03:41.05 | mnguyen | gnome is a desktop environment... |
| 03:41.06 | mnguyen | isn't it? |
| 03:41.07 | k-man_ | i have strange things happening with gnome |
| 03:41.09 | mnguyen | it uses a wm... |
| 03:41.11 | Wyzard | k-man_: I believe the "desktop" task installs GNOME, which uses Metacity as its WM |
| 03:41.12 | k-man_ | i get this black terminal window |
| 03:41.16 | lesinge | oh, haha |
| 03:41.18 | k-man_ | ok |
| 03:41.22 | k-man_ | thanks Wyzard |
| 03:41.27 | k-man_ | and lesinge |
| 03:41.52 | lesinge | k-man_: sure |
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| 03:42.21 | mnguyen | nm... run the kernel in rescue mode... |
| 03:46.17 | LeSinge | what wm does kde use? |
| 03:46.42 | simonrvn | kwin |
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| 03:49.01 | k-man_ | so when i log in from gdm, i get this strange xterm that starts with no window decorations |
| 03:49.20 | k-man_ | and i can type into it but enter does not start a new line and backspace does not backspace |
| 03:49.30 | nvz | heh |
| 03:49.33 | nvz | sounds like fun |
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| 03:50.04 | k-man_ | and all the keys seem to put random characters into it |
| 03:50.14 | ameyer | nice</sarcasm> |
| 03:50.25 | nvz | k-man_: sounds like your keymap is wrong |
| 03:50.27 | vn | hi, how can I change my network name on my box? |
| 03:50.30 | nvz | among other things |
| 03:50.42 | nvz | vn: "network name" ? |
| 03:50.47 | hackthegenome | /etc/hostname ? |
| 03:50.52 | hackthegenome | i think is what you want |
| 03:51.19 | nvz | or man 1 hostname |
| 03:51.37 | nvz | though a "network name" sounds microsofty to me |
| 03:52.15 | nvz | though afaik they use "Computer Name" and "Workgroup Name" |
| 03:52.19 | k-man_ | does gnome run in some mode that tries to emulate how apple puts the control bar at the top of the screen rather than on top of each window? |
| 03:52.40 | ameyer | yeah, that does sound like something a small and flaccid convicted monopolist might say |
| 03:52.50 | nvz | hehe |
| 03:53.01 | vn | root@sys6x:/etc# proftpd |
| 03:53.01 | vn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.01 | vn | root@sys6x:/etc# cat /etc/hostname |
| 03:53.01 | vn | sys6x |
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| 03:53.06 | vn | oops |
| 03:53.09 | vn | well |
| 03:53.31 | vn | what I meant...is the bo6sys.HomeNetwork thingy |
| 03:53.46 | nvz | no idea where that is comming from |
| 03:53.56 | nvz | my guess would be the proftpd configs |
| 03:54.33 | vn | naw its general...even in my www.nostalgeek.net/phpsysinfo/index.php |
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| 03:56.12 | nvz | vn: is it in your /etc/hosts as an alias? |
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| 03:57.11 | nvz | I don't know or care at all about ftp or php.. they can both FOAD for all I care.. so... so far you're not making one bit of sense to me :P |
| 03:58.05 | ameyer | FOAD? |
| 03:58.12 | ameyer | f*** off and die? |
| 03:58.14 | nvz | ftp is some archaiac relic of the pre-tcp/ip days, and php is a sorry excuse for a programming language |
| 03:58.17 | hackthegenome | haha thats what i thought |
| 03:58.17 | nvz | ameyer: yep |
| 03:58.58 | ameyer | I love how CNN bragged about their reporters filing their reports using FTP the day katrina hit... |
| 03:59.12 | nvz | heh |
| 03:59.45 | ameyer | FTP's like from the 70s or something |
| 03:59.56 | k-man_ | ftp rocks! |
| 03:59.59 | k-man_ | well |
| 03:59.59 | k-man_ | it did |
| 04:00.02 | nvz | ameyer: yeah and should have went out with the afro |
| 04:00.02 | k-man_ | now i use sftp |
| 04:00.32 | ameyer | I tend to use use sshfs... |
| 04:00.43 | ameyer | which I think is basically SCP |
| 04:00.54 | hackthegenome | ok, i have a semi-general question that angered me today. what's a good approach to take when you want to compile from source and configure says you dont have a library you KNOW you have |
| 04:00.58 | k-man_ | anyway, back to gnome, all my windows have no decorations and are stuck to the top menu bar |
| 04:01.03 | k-man_ | and I can't move them |
| 04:01.24 | nvz | hackthegenome: its probably not looking in the right place |
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| 04:02.04 | nvz | hackthegenome: uh you first of all don't message people without permission |
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| 04:02.39 | hackthegenome | lol |
| 04:03.01 | hackthegenome | yeah take a break |
| 04:03.08 | vn | nvz: I have that in my /etc/hosts : 127.0.0.1 bo6sys.HomeNetwork localhost sys6x |
| 04:04.43 | Rhoruns | why does my PC only show up on my router when i ping it? shouldnt it always be polling for a connection? |
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| 04:05.20 | dalias | huh? |
| 04:06.07 | Rhoruns | i cant get putty to connect to my debian pc |
| 04:07.09 | dalias | is your network working otherwise? |
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| 04:07.20 | dalias | and are you sure you have an ssh server running? |
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| 04:07.51 | s3_ | Somebody could take off me one doubts that I have on LinuxAP (mode AP) + WDS? Or to say a good site to me of reading? |
| 04:08.35 | s3_ | .. |
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| 04:09.32 | slapfaceware | should i install linux-2.6.18 or linux-2.6 |
| 04:09.46 | phooka | linux-2.6 ? |
| 04:09.54 | phooka | ionstall the newest kernel |
| 04:09.56 | streuner | meta-package |
| 04:09.58 | phooka | 2.6.22 i think |
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| 04:10.05 | streuner | slapfaceware: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:10.10 | slapfaceware | is 2.6 2.6.22? |
| 04:10.15 | slapfaceware | i'm doing reinstallatation |
| 04:10.22 | phooka | slapfaceware: no idea |
| 04:10.31 | streuner | depends on the version |
| 04:10.43 | streuner | slapfaceware: answer our question, please! |
| 04:10.58 | vn | changed my host, thks dudes |
| 04:10.59 | slapfaceware | new installation, no dpkg |
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| 04:11.18 | streuner | slapfaceware: and the d-i out of etch? |
| 04:11.37 | streuner | its 2.6.18 then |
| 04:12.15 | k-man_ | for some reason gnome terminal is reading my keys all wrong |
| 04:12.26 | k-man_ | q comes out as c for instance |
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| 04:12.31 | dalias | :P |
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| 04:12.44 | k-man_ | I feel like Mr. Smoke too much from monty python |
| 04:12.44 | dalias | i knew gnome terminal was broken but not THAT badly... |
| 04:12.58 | k-man_ | dalias: yeah.. i think it might be an encoding issue or something |
| 04:13.03 | vn | argh, damn proftpd...scp ftw |
| 04:13.31 | s3_ | somebody would know some site that has information on WDS between 2 linux HostAP (modprobe ath_pci autocreatemode=ap)? |
| 04:13.42 | k-man_ | where does gnome terminal store its preferences? |
| 04:13.45 | dalias | k-man_, open up the menu and see if some weird input method is selected |
| 04:13.58 | dalias | k-man_, prolly in the GNOME Registry (tm) |
| 04:14.30 | k-man_ | d comes out as f |
| 04:14.37 | k-man_ | enter comes out as space |
| 04:14.40 | k-man_ | its bizzare |
| 04:14.44 | ameyer | duck you... |
| 04:14.58 | s3_ | no one? |
| 04:15.30 | dalias | k-man_, find the input method menu if there is one and make sure nothing is selected |
| 04:15.32 | k-man_ | what a silly bunt |
| 04:15.34 | dalias | but that's weird... |
| 04:15.36 | k-man_ | ok |
| 04:15.36 | streuner | !repeat |
| 04:15.37 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:15.54 | s3_ | sorry |
| 04:16.09 | k-man_ | dalias: in keyboard preferences? |
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| 04:19.41 | k-man_ | j comes out as ; |
| 04:19.45 | k-man_ | god this is maddening |
| 04:19.55 | k-man_ | how do i search google for that problem? |
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| 04:20.56 | nvz | k-man_: is this only happening in gnome-teminal? |
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| 04:21.34 | wingot | Hey |
| 04:21.45 | wingot | Could someone please help me with getting ssl setup on my debian server? |
| 04:21.46 | nvz | hey what |
| 04:22.16 | nvz | wingot: ssl for what? |
| 04:22.23 | wingot | I've tried following a couple of guides already :P |
| 04:22.38 | wingot | nvz: For apache, using squirrelmail within the virtualhost |
| 04:22.51 | nvz | yeah well the problem was you were probably following guides for the wrong thing .. since you can't ask a complete question :P |
| 04:23.05 | dalias | k-man_, is there a reason you're using gnome terminal? |
| 04:23.16 | k-man_ | ah... apparantly gnome terminal doesn';t support utf8 very well |
| 04:23.18 | nvz | apt-get install apache-ssl |
| 04:23.19 | dalias | it takes several times the memory of a sane terminal and it has lots of bugs |
| 04:23.20 | k-man_ | dalias: not really |
| 04:23.26 | dalias | yes |
| 04:23.29 | k-man_ | dalias: except thats what the default debian puts there |
| 04:23.34 | dalias | the unicode support in gnome-terminal sucks |
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| 04:23.41 | k-man_ | but i can't start a new one as i can't type into gnome-terminal |
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| 04:23.47 | dalias | read about the alternatives system |
| 04:24.11 | dalias | and.. does the typing problem only happen in gnome terminal? |
| 04:24.14 | dalias | nowhere else? |
| 04:24.24 | wingot | nvz: Yep, that part is done. a2enmod ssl, done. modify sites-enabled/000-default, done. modify ports.conf, done. Still nothing on https://blah |
| 04:24.25 | k-man_ | dalias: i think so... but as i said, i can';t test it |
| 04:24.28 | wingot | :) |
| 04:24.44 | k-man_ | dalias: what xterm do you recommend? |
| 04:24.49 | dalias | xterm |
| 04:24.59 | dalias | or urxvt |
| 04:25.11 | k-man_ | ok |
| 04:25.12 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 04:25.15 | dalias | urxvt is more bloated but has perhaps mildly better unicode support in the default config |
| 04:25.32 | k-man_ | how do i update my alternatives that term gives me unicode-rxvt? |
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| 04:26.00 | wingot | Oh, and /etc/init.d/apache2 reload done :P |
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| 04:26.38 | nvz | I havent moved to apache 2 yet :P |
| 04:26.44 | wingot | :) |
| 04:26.46 | wingot | Thanks anyway |
| 04:27.14 | dakoo | when i start bootlogd, i get --->Starting boot logger: bootlogdbootlogd: cannot find console device 136:1 in /dev , the console device exists crw------- 1 root root 5, 1 2007-08-18 16:22 /dev/console |
| 04:27.22 | dalias | update-alternatives --set x-terminal-emulator /usr/bin/xterm (or urxvt, etc) |
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| 04:30.28 | slapfaceware | what's command to config network device ? |
| 04:30.33 | slapfaceware | i want it to use dhcp |
| 04:30.48 | nvz | man 5 interfaces |
| 04:30.59 | nvz | or apt-get install network-manager |
| 04:31.11 | SeveredCross | network-manager FTW. |
| 04:31.26 | SeveredCross | Though it can be a bit funky at times, it generally works very well. |
| 04:31.33 | nvz | !info network-manager |
| 04:31.37 | dpkg | network-manager: (network management framework daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 369 kB, Installed size: 1516 kB |
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| 04:43.50 | slapfaceware | how do i specify hostname? |
| 04:44.10 | d34dh4ck | hostname <whatever ya want here> i do believe |
| 04:44.31 | slapfaceware | permanently |
| 04:45.20 | d34dh4ck | that does dosent it, kept it on the boxes i have set up at the lab |
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| 04:47.07 | liable | !hostname |
| 04:47.07 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
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| 05:11.33 | popt | anyone knnow how to install gnochm in debian |
| 05:12.01 | popt | E: Couldn't find package gnochm |
| 05:12.10 | nvz | wtf is gnochm |
| 05:12.18 | popt | am I type wrong package name? |
| 05:12.31 | nvz | !info gnochm stable |
| 05:12.34 | dpkg | gnochm: (CHM file viewer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.9.8-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 139 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
| 05:12.34 | popt | application to view chm |
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| 05:13.20 | popt | apt-get install gnochm |
| 05:13.33 | nvz | popt: apt-get update, and if its still not there then you got bad sources. pastebin your sources.list |
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| 05:14.13 | nvz | !chm |
| 05:14.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chm is to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
| 05:14.17 | popt | I have run apt-get update after editing source.list |
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| 05:14.34 | nvz | whatever |
| 05:15.04 | nvz | you took two different things I said and combind them to make no sense :P |
| 05:15.31 | nvz | either your sources are wrong or your package cache is corrupt |
| 05:15.38 | hark | popt: what debian version? |
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| 05:15.44 | nvz | do one of the things I told you or figure it out for yourself :P |
| 05:15.47 | popt | 4.0 |
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| 05:16.31 | hark | check your sources.list again |
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| 05:17.21 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.27 | nvz | if you want someone elses help with this they need to see what your sources.list says |
| 05:17.35 | nvz | apt-get update, like I said |
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| 05:17.50 | nvz | if the package still isnt found after an apt-get update, then pastebin your sources.list |
| 05:18.13 | nvz | so we can see it and figure out what the problem is |
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| 05:19.45 | popt | thank you |
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| 05:20.03 | popt | I firgure out something wrong with my sourcelist |
| 05:20.08 | popt | I comment out deb ... |
| 05:20.17 | popt | just leave dec-src |
| 05:20.22 | popt | thanks all |
| 05:20.40 | nvz | heh |
| 05:21.05 | nvz | deb-src uri are for source packages ;) |
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| 05:24.43 | popt | yes, I forgot to uncomment deb ... items |
| 05:25.17 | Bogus8 | anyone have any clue why iceweasle AND epiphany won't connect but Opera ALWAYS does and always has |
| 05:26.02 | mypapit | Bogus8, proxy settings? |
| 05:26.14 | Bogus8 | mypapit: checked them (I have no proxy) |
| 05:26.23 | mypapit | odd |
| 05:27.12 | mypapit | Bogus8, if i'm not mistaken, both ephiphany stores settings file in ~/.mozilla or something |
| 05:27.13 | Bogus8 | originally iceweasle was set to auto detect proxy and I even turned that off and changed to "direct" |
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| 05:27.50 | Bogus8 | mypapit: think I should trash that folder and see what happens? |
| 05:28.03 | mypapit | Bogus8, try renaming the file, to see if that helps.. maybe some malicious plugin or some settings fscked up |
| 05:28.06 | Bogus8 | I don't use either browser so it's not like there are settings I want saved |
| 05:28.17 | mypapit | just a thought |
| 05:29.30 | Bogus8 | mypapit: actually I don't have a .mozilla or anything to do with either of those :/ |
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| 05:39.26 | wsdo_okadr | anyone who worked with screen know how to set its history ? |
| 05:40.03 | nvz | its history? |
| 05:40.12 | drmitch | you mean scroll back length? |
| 05:40.30 | wsdo_okadr | drmitch: yes |
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| 05:40.49 | nvz | thats called a buffer |
| 05:41.11 | Dewi | wsdo_okadr: I have in my .screenrc |
| 05:41.12 | Dewi | defscrollback 9999 |
| 05:41.16 | drmitch | i'm just pulling from memory a long time ago, but have you tried "buffer 3000" in .screenrc |
| 05:41.46 | Dewi | where 'def' means 'all windows created from now' |
| 05:41.55 | Dewi | as opposed to 'the current window' |
| 05:42.05 | SeveredCross | Random question, someone mentioned Iceweasel, I know why Debian doesn't distribute Firefox, but how does Ubuntu get around that? Do they just ignore the Debian policy? |
| 05:42.24 | drmitch | good question |
| 05:42.33 | nvz | SeveredCross: its not a debian policy its a firefox thing mostly |
| 05:42.37 | drmitch | i have yet to understand why debian can use iceweasel |
| 05:42.45 | SeveredCross | Well I'm wondering how Ubuntu works aroud it. |
| 05:42.57 | wsdo_okadr | Dewi: thanks |
| 05:42.58 | SeveredCross | Do they just not follow the Debian way on that matter? |
| 05:42.59 | nvz | SeveredCross: they don't care about the ff terms |
| 05:43.14 | SeveredCross | Aha. |
| 05:43.16 | Dewi | huh? |
| 05:43.17 | nvz | SeveredCross: ff people won't allow you to call it ff if you allow users to modify the program |
| 05:43.20 | Dewi | ubuntu has different policies |
| 05:43.34 | nvz | SeveredCross: debian has a policy that says users must be able to do so with any main packages |
| 05:43.38 | Dewi | ubuntu no doubt have a deal with mozilla that meet mozilla's requirements |
| 05:43.39 | SeveredCross | I knew that. |
| 05:43.45 | Dewi | we were not willing to hand mozilla that much control |
| 05:43.47 | SeveredCross | (The Debian policy bit) |
| 05:43.58 | nvz | SeveredCross: ubuntu apparently doesn't care if their users can modify it or not |
| 05:44.11 | Dewi | nvz: ? |
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| 05:44.15 | nvz | SeveredCross: they probably don't have a source package for it |
| 05:44.19 | nvz | Dewi: ? |
| 05:44.19 | Dewi | nvz: it's not about users |
| 05:44.22 | SeveredCross | They do, oddly enough. |
| 05:44.24 | Dewi | nvz: it's about hotfixes |
| 05:44.38 | SeveredCross | Yep, I can definitely get Firefox source. |
| 05:44.47 | Dewi | nvz: mozilla said we had to give them the opportunity to veto our patches |
| 05:44.53 | SeveredCross | Oh, that's bullshit. |
| 05:44.53 | Dewi | nvz: at each and every upstream release |
| 05:45.05 | Dewi | nvz: ubuntu probably said yes (I'm guessing) |
| 05:45.06 | SeveredCross | I was going to say, Ubuntu releases a patched version of Firefox. |
| 05:45.07 | Dewi | debian said no |
| 05:45.42 | Dewi | personally I think both sides were being stupid |
| 05:46.06 | Dewi | mozilla should have waited until they saw a patch they didn't like, and then got it changed |
| 05:46.13 | nvz | Dewi: having two projects working on the same thing growing apart in codebase only hurts both projects |
| 05:46.18 | Dewi | and debian shouldn't have been so unwilling to just email a patch |
| 05:46.35 | Dewi | I mean |
| 05:46.45 | Dewi | if firefox releases, and a debian patch causes a problem |
| 05:46.55 | Dewi | and debian has emailed that patch to mozilla |
| 05:47.07 | Dewi | even if they didn't wait for mozilla to respond any problem is going to be solved swiftly |
| 05:47.16 | SeveredCross | I tend to agree with Dewi on this...it's a stupid way to go about it. |
| 05:47.27 | Dewi | but now because neither side would compromise, firefox has NO brand building on these systems |
| 05:47.38 | Dewi | and debian users have to use strange and silly branding |
| 05:48.04 | SeveredCross | Does someone build Debian packages for Firefox externally? |
| 05:48.07 | nvz | I'm happy with iceweasel.. heh makes me happy to know I'm not using the same brand name as Windows, Mac..etc users |
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| 05:48.20 | SeveredCross | No offense nvz, but that's a stupid attitude. |
| 05:48.22 | Dewi | the main basis upon which I disagree with debian is that as far as I can see, debian's trademark policies are even MORE restrictive than firefox's |
| 05:48.30 | Dewi | so it's very hypocritical |
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| 05:48.48 | klys | well, debian has to support the product for stability with the current release, and mozilla has to support the cross-platform codebase. we can't surrender our freedoms to a cross-platform codebase which includes proprietary platforms. |
| 05:48.55 | Dewi | but I could easily be wrong, I'm not trademark expert |
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| 05:49.23 | Dewi | klys: not even for a few hours after a release? |
| 05:49.34 | SeveredCross | There are plenty of proprietary things that Linux users use... |
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| 05:49.50 | klys | as soon as the new version is released to debian, the new version has to be patched by debian |
| 05:49.53 | SeveredCross | I don't see a big issue with using proprietary software until an open version is developed if it works to its intended aim. |
| 05:49.55 | nvz | SeveredCross: while I believe that a project forking only to continue working on the exact same goals is stupid, I am a debian user _because_ of its policy and I take debian's side with the shitty end of a stick mozilla tried to hand us all |
| 05:49.59 | Dewi | klys: yes, and mozilla allows that |
| 05:50.13 | Dewi | klys: what they want is to approve the patches |
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| 05:50.24 | Dewi | to ensure they fit in with the firefox brand |
| 05:50.29 | SeveredCross | nvz: No, I meant the attitude about not using the same branding as Windows, Mac, etc. That's a pointless attitude that only creates rifts in the general userland of computers. |
| 05:50.32 | klys | dewi: last two lines contradict each other in my mind |
| 05:50.35 | maddash | is there any reason why my ad hoc'ed laptop can ping any server on the internet but cannot make a successful http request? |
| 05:50.45 | Dewi | klys: how so? |
| 05:51.05 | klys | want to approve == delay the release |
| 05:51.23 | Dewi | klys: yeah. |
| 05:51.32 | Dewi | klys: but it's not like debian moves lightning fast with software updates |
| 05:51.34 | nvz | SeveredCross: yeah well it makes me feel special being able to call my browser something different than everyone else calls it.. tomayto, tomahto |
| 05:51.42 | klys | if it's released under the gpl, it's released. |
| 05:51.51 | Dewi | (except in security, and yes firefox releases often have security implications) |
| 05:52.02 | SeveredCross | nvz: Millions of other Debian users call it Iceweasel. :) |
| 05:52.07 | SeveredCross | It's not different than quite everyone else. |
| 05:52.12 | Dewi | klys: firefox is a trademark, just as debian is |
| 05:52.26 | nvz | SeveredCross: yeah but debian users are cool people, those other OS users suck :P |
| 05:52.43 | regulate | werd |
| 05:53.07 | klys | so, both support a similar product, and everyone 'knows' that the one comes from the other. we just need the room to glue them together. it only makes sense for us. |
| 05:53.24 | nvz | SeveredCross: if I went and renamed _my_ version to water rat, then I'd have a stupid attitude problem.. heh |
| 05:53.40 | klys | your attitude is who you are |
| 05:53.45 | Dewi | nvz: there's an extension for that |
| 05:53.48 | nvz | Dewi: heh |
| 05:54.03 | Dewi | nvz: from when the project's name kept changing |
| 05:55.11 | klys | you want a firefox .deb? don't rely on the main repository mirror set. |
| 05:55.42 | klys | you'll probably find that iceweasel is more stable anyway |
| 05:56.13 | regulate | i run unstable and i can't complain |
| 05:56.16 | nvz | of course cause debian maintainers are the shit |
| 05:56.40 | nvz | however my iceweasel just crashed which is why I am now looking at this terminal window typing this instead of sending the email I was about to send |
| 05:57.11 | klys | so get tab mix plus, or a good session manager... and try to find something for textboxes |
| 05:58.10 | regulate | whats wrong with your textboxes |
| 05:58.13 | klys | if you could find a session manager that would fill in a textbox I would like to hear about it |
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| 05:59.48 | phooka | Is there a way for me to compile a new kernel aith apt-get ? |
| 06:00.01 | klys | ~kpkg |
| 06:00.04 | apt | well, kpkg is a KDE package manager designed for handling RPM files, but can also somewhat handle debs. If you're looking for kernel-package ask me about that instead |
| 06:00.05 | regulate | there's a way with make-kpkg |
| 06:00.11 | klys | ~make-kpkg |
| 06:00.11 | apt | well, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make dep ... |
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| 06:00.55 | klys | mmmmmmmmm: hil |
| 06:00.57 | deadcat | is it possible to reduce red-eyes with gimp? |
| 06:01.01 | phooka | Ok, i hope i dont have problems with my sound and stuff |
| 06:01.10 | phooka | i use some crappy integrated sound card |
| 06:01.24 | regulate | lol deadcat |
| 06:01.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | deadcat: Probably, but I think KDE's Krita editor has an automatic filter for that |
| 06:01.39 | klys | deadcat: you use the ellipse select tool |
| 06:01.47 | deadcat | Dark_Apostrophe: no kde. |
| 06:01.50 | deadcat | klys: oh.. |
| 06:02.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: Took me hours of #alsa chatting to get my Intel HDA ALC268 card working |
| 06:02.14 | semplelm | how much faster is sata vs ide ?? |
| 06:02.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | New laptop sound cards suck |
| 06:02.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | semplelm: Hold a sec |
| 06:03.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | semplelm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SATA#Throughput |
| 06:03.05 | geo-rge | sata is 150m bits/sec, sata2 is double |
| 06:03.28 | nvz | klys: well the session management and the tab mix options all seem to be built-in for the most part anymore |
| 06:03.45 | nvz | klys: I used to have extensions for all that, but now I don't need em cause the built in features are decent enough |
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| 06:03.48 | phooka | Dark_Apostrophe: this is a crappy compaq |
| 06:03.52 | klys | nvz: can you rearrange your tabs now? |
| 06:04.32 | nvz | klys: idk.. I actually still have tab mix plus installed.. though I read up somewhere that there are undo closed tab and such options built in now |
| 06:04.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: This is a new Zepto Znote 6625WD. Finding drivers for half the devices took forever |
| 06:04.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | I still haven't gotten the webcam working |
| 06:04.45 | nvz | klys: I can check on the vista box I guess.. don't have any extensions on there |
| 06:04.45 | phooka | 2.6.18-5-486 <--- does this kernel have ipv6 support, im having ALOT of trouble adding my ipv6 ip, the ipv6 and inet6 stuff works just cant add an ip |
| 06:04.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nor the digital audio out |
| 06:04.50 | regulate | can't wait for solid state drives |
| 06:04.52 | phooka | Dark_Apostrophe: thats what im scared of |
| 06:04.56 | klys | nvz: also I like tab url copier |
| 06:05.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: Webcams are a bitch, but if you invest some time, you can kick most of the stuff into life |
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| 06:06.05 | popt | what ftp client you use on debian? |
| 06:06.12 | phooka | Dark_Apostrophe: i dont care about a cam, i just want my sound working |
| 06:06.13 | popt | with good gui |
| 06:06.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got my wireless card working after playing around with iwlwifi for a few days |
| 06:06.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: What card? |
| 06:06.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | popt: Konqueror? |
| 06:06.42 | phooka | Dark_Apostrophe: no idea |
| 06:06.48 | nvz | klys: well you can definatly move tabs and stuff but I guess you can't undo closed and such without the extension |
| 06:06.52 | regulate | phooka: lspci |
| 06:06.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | is it a PCI one, phooka? |
| 06:06.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | if so, do lspci |
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| 06:07.03 | phooka | Dark_Apostrophe: 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 06:07.05 | Palish | Hiya.. |
| 06:07.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ooh |
| 06:07.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's easy |
| 06:07.20 | Palish | I'm installing ImageMagick from source. But I can't find out where it's actually installed to. Does anyone know how to debug that? |
| 06:07.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | install intel-hda |
| 06:07.30 | Palish | "locate ImageMagick" only finds the old version.. |
| 06:07.35 | popt | Dark_Apostrophe, Konqueror is also a good ft client? |
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| 06:07.40 | popt | ftp |
| 06:07.41 | phooka | Dark_Apostrophe: apt-get install intel-hda ? |
| 06:07.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: I think that falls under the Intel hda driver |
| 06:07.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: No, it's a driver |
| 06:08.04 | regulate | Palish: find / -name ImageMagick |
| 06:08.15 | regulate | Palish: but i would check your Makefile first |
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| 06:08.49 | Palish | heh.. That find command looks like it'll take a little while :) |
| 06:08.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: http://alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel |
| 06:08.52 | Palish | thank you |
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| 06:09.04 | Palish | hmm..no results.. |
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| 06:09.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: I could be wrong, but that's what I think at least. Ask in #alsa to be safe... |
| 06:09.12 | Palish | Does that also search for directory names? |
| 06:09.49 | regulate | Palish: display and convert are some of the binaries it installs |
| 06:10.00 | Palish | regulate: correct... it went into /usr/local/bin/convert |
| 06:10.00 | regulate | Palish: try find / -name convert |
| 06:10.04 | regulate | ok |
| 06:10.23 | Palish | not sure where the actual support files are located though |
| 06:10.24 | regulate | then you already know the answer to your questions |
| 06:10.35 | regulate | as in libraries? |
| 06:10.43 | regulate | /usr/lib/ i'd assume |
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| 06:11.39 | Palish | I'd assume that too.. except /usr/local/bin/convert -version is ImageMagick 6.3.5, but /usr/lib only contains ImageMagick-6.2.4 |
| 06:11.49 | Palish | 6.2.4 is the one on Debian.. I'm trying to get up to the latest, so I'm installing from source |
| 06:11.57 | Palish | so I did apt-get remove imagemagick ... then installed from source |
| 06:12.16 | Palish | make && sudo make install worked.. But I can't figure out where it actually put anything. Unless that only installed the binaries and not the library files. |
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| 06:12.48 | phooka | 2.6.18-5-486 <-- is this the latest kernel ? |
| 06:13.06 | simonrvn | for etch yes |
| 06:13.23 | regulate | Palish: hmmm. i think if you look through the Makefile you'll find that |
| 06:13.32 | phooka | I'm having problems adding my ipv6 ip for this kernel, ipv6 works, inet6 works but i can't add an ip |
| 06:13.33 | geo-rge | and since it's etch, that version will not change because etch is released |
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| 06:14.44 | phooka | SIOCSIFADDR: No buffer space available |
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| 06:14.48 | phooka | thats the error i get |
| 06:14.57 | Palish | I'm not sure what to look for :/ |
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| 06:15.26 | nvz | Palish: look for a hot dark redhead with curly hair, who's single.. send her my way |
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| 06:15.38 | Palish | k |
| 06:15.41 | regulate | she's alright |
| 06:15.43 | nvz | preferably green eyes |
| 06:16.07 | nvz | regulate: who's alright? |
| 06:16.13 | regulate | the redhead |
| 06:16.20 | nvz | ah |
| 06:16.37 | nvz | yeah forget blondes, redheads do it better |
| 06:16.37 | regulate | Palish: why do you care anyway? |
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| 06:17.19 | Palish | regulate: Well.. First, I need to figure out if it actually did anything |
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| 06:17.27 | Palish | I can't locate ImageMagick on my system.. So it's very fishy |
| 06:17.32 | Palish | But second, RMagick requires ImageMagick to work |
| 06:17.41 | klys | well sweetheart, you just do |
| 06:17.43 | Palish | I followed the http://rmagick.rubyforge.org/install-linux.html guide to the letter |
| 06:17.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | phooka: That's a relatively old kernel. You can see the latest version on kernel.org |
| 06:17.50 | regulate | well, ImageMagick is just a name of the package |
| 06:17.57 | regulate | the actuall files are named differently |
| 06:17.59 | Palish | right, but that package is out of date.. I believe |
| 06:18.03 | nvz | it would be nice if there was a way to toggle configuration easily on synergy.. when I move this damn laptop around and the configuration isn't right anymore its a pita |
| 06:18.16 | Palish | it installs 6.2.4, and I need 6.3.4 or above (for the new adaptive_blur function) |
| 06:18.24 | Palish | so I don't know if there's any other choice other than to install from source |
| 06:18.34 | regulate | palish: what does convert -version |
| 06:18.37 | regulate | show |
| 06:18.59 | Palish | that's the odd thing... convert -version is ImageMagick 6.3.5, so I know it's installed and working. I just don't know if the dev libraries are anywhere |
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| 06:19.17 | simonrvn | Palish: different package |
| 06:19.20 | regulate | i see |
| 06:19.22 | Palish | or I don't actually know what the heck RMagick needs. I just know I followed the RMagick installation guide and it fails. |
| 06:19.25 | regulate | simonrvn: he's installing from src |
| 06:19.33 | simonrvn | his problem then |
| 06:19.46 | regulate | Palish: see the readme for how to install the dev libraries |
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| 06:20.22 | ArtVandalae | How can I find the creation times of a file? |
| 06:20.29 | regulate | yeah, really dont know what to tell you, i dont know anything about how ImageMagick gets packaged |
| 06:20.41 | klys | stat |
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| 06:21.29 | ArtVandalae | klys: thanks, worked like a charm |
| 06:21.48 | Palish | Well.. I read the README.txt that was included with the source tarball.. it doesn't mention anything about dev libraries |
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| 06:21.58 | Palish | thank you though.. I'll hack at it |
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| 06:22.34 | phooka | Dark_Apostrophe: can i pm you? |
| 06:22.42 | Palish | Could a nice person confirm that the latest ImageMagick debian package is 6.2.4? |
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| 06:23.28 | DRP | <Palish>: ca i pm u? |
| 06:23.34 | Palish | Okay |
| 06:23.36 | DRP | <Palish>: can i pm u? |
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| 06:25.47 | DRP | <Palish>: ? |
| 06:26.21 | simonrvn | Palish: ii imagemagick 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-1 Image manipulation programs |
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| 06:26.44 | Palish | simonrvn: Thank you a lot :) |
| 06:26.48 | simonrvn | np |
| 06:27.25 | nvz | hah, I am finally getting the hang of split windows in irssi |
| 06:27.33 | nvz | the key is /SET autostick_split_windows OFF |
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| 06:28.48 | simonrvn | split wins, like 2 in 1? |
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| 06:29.18 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah |
| 06:29.30 | simonrvn | mm |
| 06:29.43 | nvz | simonrvn: its got some sticky behavior on by default that doesnt let you move windows between splits |
| 06:30.07 | simonrvn | i see |
| 06:30.16 | nvz | file:///usr/share/doc/irssi/startup-HOWTO.html#c2 |
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| 06:31.19 | nvz | which I guess that would be all well and good if I always use splits but if you want to close or create splits on the fly you don't want to deal with this sticky crap |
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| 06:32.05 | klys | I guess I heard this complaint before, that it can't split into columns |
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| 06:33.55 | popt | I delete gnome toolbar:( |
| 06:34.04 | popt | can I restore it? |
| 06:34.20 | nvz | you can make a new one |
| 06:34.26 | popt | toolbar below |
| 06:34.37 | nvz | I don't know any way to restore one you delete though |
| 06:35.00 | popt | 2 toolbar by default, one is on top, one is below |
| 06:35.09 | nvz | uh yeah, I get the point |
| 06:35.12 | popt | I delete the one under |
| 06:35.20 | nvz | so make a new one and put it down there |
| 06:35.23 | popt | but how? |
| 06:35.38 | popt | new to gnome, use kde before |
| 06:35.43 | nvz | popt: right click the one you still have and hit new panel |
| 06:35.59 | popt | yes! |
| 06:36.04 | nvz | popt: then you gotta put all the things back on the toolbar cause it will be empty |
| 06:36.05 | popt | come back |
| 06:36.46 | popt | :) |
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| 06:37.37 | popt | is it possible to let gnome display all windows I open on the toolbar |
| 06:38.17 | nvz | popt: yes |
| 06:38.31 | nvz | damn my key repeat is off for some reason |
| 06:38.32 | popt | now it can't |
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| 06:38.53 | popt | repeat key? |
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| 06:39.10 | man_in_shack | anyone here use dosemu? |
| 06:39.10 | nvz | no, key repeat |
| 06:39.18 | Supaplex | !anyone use dosemu |
| 06:39.18 | dpkg | No, no one uses dosemu, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:39.25 | nvz | ie when I hold down a key like backspace it doesnt continue to backspace |
| 06:39.36 | man_in_shack | let me rephrase |
| 06:39.46 | nvz | popt: right click your panel, goto add to panel, and add the window list applet |
| 06:40.02 | man_in_shack | has anyone on unstable upgraded dosemu recently and found it seems to be configured to use freedos but it doesn't actually work? |
| 06:40.41 | popt | oh yeah:) |
| 06:40.42 | nvz | popt: then you can right click the window list applet that appears on your panel and go to properties.. as the window list can be configured to show only windows in the active desktop/workspace or in all desktops/workspaces |
| 06:40.51 | nvz | if I recall correctly |
| 06:41.00 | nvz | for whatever reason it won't let me add a window list applet to see |
| 06:41.14 | nvz | I don't like it anyhow, I use the window selector applet |
| 06:41.35 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: elaborate on "doesn't work", and have you checked bts? if you feel strongly about it being an issue affecting more than yourself, consider reportbug |
| 06:41.43 | nvz | IMHO window list applet is a waste of panel space |
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| 06:42.16 | man_in_shack | Supaplex, emulator initialises but can't find freedos. gives some error about not being able to find command.com or something |
| 06:43.15 | Arika | morning |
| 06:43.23 | Supaplex | humm. but freedos is install, right? what's changed since it worked? what'd you do since then? |
| 06:43.56 | man_in_shack | Supaplex, i upgraded the dosemu package, which removed the freedos package since it now seems to be bundled with dosemu |
| 06:44.10 | SpeedyG | nvz: window list is the way windows does it? (just for my view on this) ? |
| 06:44.24 | mainer323 | !search packages epic5 |
| 06:44.30 | nvz | SpeedyG: yeah thats one way to think of it |
| 06:44.39 | mainer323 | hmmm |
| 06:44.46 | nvz | SpeedyG: and I guess from your understanding then, the selector is the way MacOS does it |
| 06:44.47 | SpeedyG | nvz: google images didnt give me a result quickly enough ;) |
| 06:44.50 | klys | mainer323: for what feature? |
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| 06:44.59 | SpeedyG | the selector looks quite nice :) |
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| 06:45.14 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: I'd downgrade+pin it until it's fixed. bts might have some workarounds. file a bug if noone else has. |
| 06:45.22 | mainer323 | klys: for testing/evaluation |
| 06:45.28 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: that's unless it works ok in a new profile etc. |
| 06:45.30 | nvz | SpeedyG: yeah I prefer the selector.. simple icon with a drop down menu rather than a big list of things wasting panel space |
| 06:45.59 | SpeedyG | nvz: it's just, i'm not new to linux, i'm just still not using a *nix based desktop |
| 06:46.03 | SpeedyG | still stuck with windows :( |
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| 06:46.38 | nvz | SpeedyG: want me to throw you a pity party? |
| 06:46.42 | SpeedyG | gheh |
| 06:46.45 | SpeedyG | nah |
| 06:46.50 | Supaplex | !comfort nvz |
| 06:46.51 | dpkg | There, there, nvz. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 06:47.08 | mainer323 | lmao <cough> sorry :( |
| 06:47.17 | nvz | I wish someone would throw me one for my key repeat not working all of a sudden its fucking annoying |
| 06:47.22 | SpeedyG | it's just, school keeps me working with windows.. every time I tried to switch, school came up with the briliant idea to give a course based on windows-only apps :/ |
| 06:47.26 | man_in_shack | ok, got it working |
| 06:47.31 | man_in_shack | Supaplex, thanks for the idea heh |
| 06:47.37 | stiv2k_ | hey can i re-attach a screen running under a different user on my system? I am the sys admin. |
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| 06:48.11 | man_in_shack | i killed the old ~/.dosemu directory and it asked for a location for "a bootable dos system" |
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| 06:48.25 | man_in_shack | gave it /usr/lib/dosemu/freedos, and it still didn't work heh |
| 06:48.26 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: mv > rm |
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| 06:48.41 | klys | try /var/lib/dosemu/freedos |
| 06:48.59 | man_in_shack | Supaplex, true that, but by "killed" i meant "made unfindable" (i used mv) |
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| 06:49.15 | man_in_shack | klys, that appears to be a broken link |
| 06:49.22 | nvz | you could dual-boot or find other ways around that |
| 06:49.22 | klys | to? |
| 06:49.34 | Supaplex | man_in_shack: ahh good. it's sad when wine users find out they just smoked their install. :P |
| 06:49.39 | man_in_shack | /usr/lib/freedos |
| 06:49.43 | man_in_shack | Supaplex, yeah :) |
| 06:49.53 | SpeedyG | stiv2k_: this might be something: http://cosmic.homeunix.net/blog/old/00000018.html |
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| 06:50.10 | klys | apt-get install dosemu-freedos |
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| 06:50.15 | man_in_shack | it seems to be because freedos is getting loaded on c:, but dosemu is expecting it on z: |
| 06:50.30 | man_in_shack | klys, conflicts with latest dosemu in sid |
| 06:50.52 | klys | then your link will stay broken unless you find out why and unpack dos there anyway |
| 06:52.00 | man_in_shack | when it asks "Enter the full shell command line:" i type "c:\command.com" and it works |
| 06:52.31 | klys | not bad |
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| 06:53.17 | dimir | Moin! |
| 06:53.17 | stiv2k_ | SpeedyG: running screen as suid root sounds sketch to me |
| 06:54.37 | SpeedyG | stiv2k_: I've just tried it a bit without adjusting screen for suid root, and it kinda seems to work (havent yet tested it with the other user tho) |
| 06:54.50 | stiv2k_ | SpeedyG: how'd you do it? |
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| 06:56.55 | SpeedyG | stiv2k_: hm, now, trying it as the other user, I do get the msg 'must run suid root for multi-user support' |
| 06:57.37 | SpeedyG | and after setting it suid root, it does work |
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| 06:57.55 | SpeedyG | (typing with the other user account now) |
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| 07:02.41 | man_in_shack | ok, got it working |
| 07:02.59 | man_in_shack | changed autoexec.bat and config.sys in freedos to point to c: instead of d: and z: |
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| 07:03.28 | SpeedyG | stiv2k_: basically, these things got it working for me: http://pastebin.com/f7796170c |
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| 07:08.01 | psyche_ | how i can save my iptables settings? |
| 07:08.22 | psyche_ | iptables-save and then iptables-restore but how i can load those settings while starting up system |
| 07:08.49 | sep | psyche_, arent there a readme in the iptables doc area ? there it was listed atlest 3-4 solutions |
| 07:09.19 | sep | but you can ofcourse write your own init.d script |
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| 07:09.47 | Supaplex | psyche_: man 5 interfaces ? or, rip the init script from an old <snapshot> |
| 07:09.58 | sep | or call iptables-restore from a up or a per-up in your network stanca |
| 07:10.26 | Supaplex | sep: exactly :) |
| 07:10.36 | SpeedyG | hm, I wonder how I did it .. |
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| 07:18.59 | geo-rge | psyche_: you would put that in the appropriate script |
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| 07:19.57 | geo-rge | but if you're doing the typical nat (aka masq) router, you just set up the interfaces and install ipmasq |
| 07:19.59 | geo-rge | done |
| 07:21.27 | geo-rge | ok, maybe you need a dhcp client for the upstream bandwidth provider, and a dhcp server for the boxes to be connected to the internal net |
| 07:21.41 | geo-rge | and perhaps a caching dns |
| 07:22.07 | vlt | Hello. Is there a `kill` option to kill all children of a process too? |
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| 07:23.01 | geo-rge | killing all children would have a tendency to scare small children :) |
| 07:23.15 | Supaplex | HAH |
| 07:23.18 | Supaplex | he's funny. |
| 07:23.30 | Supaplex | funny tasting... ;) |
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| 07:24.04 | geo-rge | oh now you've given us all an image we wouldn't otherwise want :) |
| 07:24.28 | Supaplex | now that you mention it, yes, far too many possibilities there. |
| 07:24.30 | liable | didn't untill you said that! |
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| 07:26.04 | geo-rge | vlt: seriously, I dont' think so. if you can iterate over the child processes killing as you go, then killing the parent |
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| 07:27.50 | vlt | geo-rge: The problem is whenever I kill ldm's child X a new one is created ... But ok, I'll try ... |
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| 07:30.02 | geo-rge | vlt: so something is watching that child, and that is a different problem |
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| 07:31.25 | geo-rge | lots of times if you send a certain signal to a designated process, it will bring down the whole service gracefully |
| 07:31.38 | MasterGH | Hey, just checking, if I wanted to try an Open Source driver for my 9600XT ATi card, what one should I use? ati or raedon? |
| 07:32.06 | geo-rge | lots of times, the pid of this designated process is in a lock file |
| 07:32.11 | geo-rge | or a pid file |
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| 07:33.11 | geo-rge | but you're not "killing" it (even tho sending a signal to a process -is- considered "killing") |
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| 07:33.47 | geo-rge | what you're doing is sending a signal to it that it has prearranged to interpret as "shut myself down: |
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| 07:38.39 | k-man_ | where do i configure the apache server name? |
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| 07:38.46 | k-man_ | do i put it in apache2.conf? |
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| 07:40.13 | kryptoz | Hi all... found this video search application for mobile phone.. which plays all video formats on the iphone ... and it has the greatest search feature I have ever seen ..www.vtap.com |
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| 07:41.58 | laurly | this is insane there should be standard places stuff gets installed. where the heck is appache httpd.conf |
| 07:42.34 | SpeedyG | laurly: /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 07:43.11 | laurly | woot! |
| 07:43.14 | laurly | thanks :) |
| 07:43.39 | SpeedyG | gheh |
| 07:43.45 | SpeedyG | have fun/good luck ;) |
| 07:44.37 | laurly | hmm why is it using apache2.conf what happend to httpd.conf |
| 07:44.48 | bullgard4 | Using busybox-initramfs how can I switch to a German keyboard layout? |
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| 07:45.11 | SpeedyG | laurly: dunno, maybe they thought apache2.conf was a more logical name :) |
| 07:45.23 | SpeedyG | wise idea :) |
| 07:45.52 | liable | apache2 does it quite differently to 1 |
| 07:46.15 | laurly | seting up sub domains by myself :) |
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| 07:55.37 | banet711 | hi, whats the use of the command "export" ? |
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| 07:56.23 | banet711 | hi |
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| 07:57.51 | techbee | _thinking |
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| 07:58.25 | SpeedyG | you know that can cause headaches techbee ? |
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| 07:59.14 | toad022 | hi, can somebody tell me what "export" is for? |
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| 07:59.26 | nvz | toad022: context? |
| 07:59.31 | toad022 | proxy |
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| 07:59.42 | nvz | no clue |
| 08:00.01 | toad022 | export http_proxy= |
| 08:00.04 | nvz | oh |
| 08:00.30 | nvz | toad022: type help export |
| 08:00.36 | nvz | toad022: its a function of your shell |
| 08:00.44 | nepbabu | sets your env variable |
| 08:00.54 | toad022 | how to close vi? |
| 08:00.58 | nepbabu | toad022, export"s" |
| 08:01.12 | nvz | toad022: press esc, then type :q and hit enter |
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| 08:01.38 | nvz | nepbabu: help export, sounds like you need a refresher on what it does :P |
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| 08:01.51 | toad022 | doesnt work |
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| 08:02.10 | nvz | toad022: vi is a bitch :P |
| 08:02.15 | toad022 | yes |
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| 08:02.37 | nepbabu | nvz, it's not too bad actually. |
| 08:02.45 | nvz | toad022: esc key is suppose to give you a line to type at the bottom and :q is suppose to make it quit |
| 08:02.48 | nepbabu | nvz, i use it _most_ of the time |
| 08:02.57 | nvz | nepbabu: I use minimum profit editor |
| 08:03.03 | nvz | nepbabu: vi pisses me off to no end |
| 08:03.10 | toad022 | "no write since last change" |
| 08:03.15 | toad022 | what to do now? |
| 08:03.16 | eth01 | nano ? |
| 08:03.21 | nepbabu | nvz, there's the vim guide hanging somewhere in vim.org, grab that one |
| 08:03.28 | nepbabu | nvz, also vimtutor |
| 08:03.35 | nvz | nepbabu: no thanks.. I'l just stay away from the vi |
| 08:03.47 | nepbabu | nvz, ok dude. |
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| 08:03.50 | eth01 | nvz: try 'nano' or 'pico' |
| 08:03.53 | nvz | I don't need an editor that has "modes" (read moods) |
| 08:03.56 | nvz | eth01: no |
| 08:04.00 | nepbabu | yeah gnu nano isn't too bad either |
| 08:04.07 | nepbabu | it's very simple robust editor |
| 08:04.10 | nvz | eth01: I use minimum profit editor and I'm not switching :P |
| 08:04.14 | eth01 | well I use it, and it's perfectly fine. |
| 08:04.16 | nvz | !info mped |
| 08:04.19 | toad022 | I love nano |
| 08:04.20 | toad022 | best shit |
| 08:04.22 | eth01 | me 2 |
| 08:04.23 | dpkg | mped: (Minimum Profit, a programmer's text editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 3.3.17-1 (sid), Packaged size: 157 kB, Installed size: 360 kB |
| 08:04.44 | nvz | mped is like an idiots version of emacs |
| 08:04.46 | toad022 | where can I find apt.conf (only have apt.conf.d) |
| 08:04.58 | nvz | has the ctrl+y yank command which is about the only macro I use |
| 08:05.46 | nvz | and does syntax highlighting, and now has an x interface as well (which pisses me off cause I now have to alias it to mped -tx to get the old interface when running it from x-terminal emulators) |
| 08:07.02 | nvz | I've been using debian for like 7 years now, I've pretty much decided what I like.. and two things I am not likely to change are the wm and editor I use |
| 08:07.09 | eth01 | nvz: how about this: echo 'why are you so damn picky about command line editing?' |
| 08:07.12 | nvz | just about anything else I'd try other things |
| 08:07.27 | nepbabu | toad022, use slocate/locate command to find things. i.e., if you updatedb is upto date. |
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| 08:07.38 | nepbabu | toad022, for e.g., $ locate apt.conf |
| 08:08.02 | eth01 | it's apt.conf.d ... |
| 08:08.19 | nepbabu | eth01, $ locate $whatever |
| 08:08.20 | toad022 | there are several files in apt.conf.d |
| 08:08.28 | nvz | sawfish > * |
| 08:09.13 | nvz | I don't have to open config files, save them, and restart my wm every time I wanna change something minute |
| 08:09.38 | nvz | lisp/librep ftw |
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| 08:15.01 | nepbabu | so what are people here doing for sfd 2007? anything special ? |
| 08:15.08 | nepbabu | :) |
| 08:15.14 | liable_ | sfd? |
| 08:15.26 | nepbabu | software freedom day, 15th sept |
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| 08:15.35 | eth01 | totally lost me |
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| 08:16.09 | nepbabu | !sfd |
| 08:16.45 | nepbabu | hmm... dpkg isn't responding |
| 08:17.03 | toad022 | so what apt.conf shall I open |
| 08:17.07 | toad022 | there is only apt.conf.d |
| 08:17.10 | toad022 | and thats a folder |
| 08:17.18 | toad022 | I want to insert proxy for ftp |
| 08:17.20 | eth01 | toad022, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d ... |
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| 08:18.06 | nepbabu | toad022, why don't you just insert it in your shell? |
| 08:18.12 | eth01 | that's a folder, not a file. |
| 08:19.08 | et | .oO(directory, not folder) |
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| 08:20.44 | eth01 | et, (o.0 not .o0_ |
| 08:20.55 | toad022 | o where shall I include accquire |
| 08:20.59 | toad022 | for ftp |
| 08:21.02 | et | that wasn't a smiley |
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| 08:22.41 | KDan | what's the best way to install the ruby on rails components (e.g. rails) on a debian system? through "gem install" or through "apt-get install"?? |
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| 08:24.51 | nepbabu | KDan, i prefer apt, gem's a package manager I guess? |
| 08:24.53 | cydork | KDan: depends on your needs. apt-get/aptitude is generally preferred. |
| 08:25.07 | KDan | ok |
| 08:25.26 | et | nepbabu: gem is a ruby package manager |
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| 08:25.54 | nepbabu | hmm... so this new fad is ruby huh? haha |
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| 08:26.05 | KDan | new fad? |
| 08:26.28 | nepbabu | nevermind no offence :) |
| 08:26.52 | KDan | lol... same question on #debian and #rubyonrails... #debian answer: apt-get, #ror answer: gem .... predictable huh? |
| 08:27.16 | KDan | trust what you know.. |
| 08:27.24 | cydork | KDan: with gems it's easy to get updates :) |
| 08:27.53 | KDan | yeah, i get the feeling that that's the determinant factor... whether you want to stay up to date or wait another 5 years for the next package update :-) |
| 08:28.31 | cydork | KDan: as i said it depends on your needs ;) |
| 08:28.38 | KDan | or, put another way, whether you want something stable that works and is well integrated into the os, or a sub-package that stays up to date but might break |
| 08:29.18 | cydork | KDan: yep. and don't forget the security updates |
| 08:30.17 | nepbabu | see ya all |
| 08:30.19 | nepbabu | later |
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| 08:32.01 | Guerin | ruby might be cool if it didn't use the stupid gem metaphor for everything |
| 08:32.45 | popt | hello make-jpkg command still works for JAVA6? |
| 08:32.54 | kamevar | please advice... can i cut my debian repository into dvd's? |
| 08:33.04 | Guerin | kamevar: you have our permission |
| 08:33.11 | Guerin | popt: depends on the version |
| 08:33.29 | kamevar | etch |
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| 08:34.00 | popt | try to build jdk, what version to use? |
| 08:34.15 | popt | which one i mean |
| 08:34.36 | cydork | popt: sun-java 6 is available in bpo if that's what you are after. |
| 08:34.42 | Guerin | popt: the one which works |
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| 08:34.56 | popt | whats bpo? |
| 08:35.01 | cydork | !bpo |
| 08:35.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 08:35.49 | popt | I want to build.deb myself |
| 08:35.56 | cydork | Guerin: i kinda like ruby. i just want something like dh-make-perl for that gem stuff. |
| 08:36.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:36.04 | Guerin | in other words |
| 08:36.04 | cydork | popt: why? |
| 08:36.14 | Guerin | a meta-packaging system to make its packaging system not shit |
| 08:36.16 | leethal | I'm hearing you peeps are recommending apt-get instead of gem |
| 08:36.16 | Guerin | nice |
| 08:36.17 | leethal | shame on you |
| 08:36.19 | leethal | shame! |
| 08:36.42 | Guerin | leethal: if gem could do all that apt could, it'd be called apt |
| 08:37.01 | leethal | gem isn't supposed to do what apt is doing |
| 08:37.09 | leethal | gem is supposed to install libraries to Ruby |
| 08:37.12 | Guerin | so how is it bad we recommend apt over it? |
| 08:37.13 | cydork | leethal: we know :) |
| 08:37.24 | Guerin | leethal: a task most adequately handled by apt |
| 08:37.35 | leethal | because we have way to many people in #rubyonrails going "wtf rails aint working" because they used apt |
| 08:37.35 | Guerin | and not by gem, since gem isn't apt |
| 08:37.38 | Guerin | same goes for cpan |
| 08:37.47 | liable | isnt gem just like cpan |
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| 08:38.01 | Guerin | leethal: packaging incompetence is something that Just Happens |
| 08:38.11 | leethal | you do know that the debian rails package is borked, right? |
| 08:38.21 | leethal | and going "gem install rails" is liek uber? |
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| 08:38.27 | liable | lolz |
| 08:38.43 | Guerin | mm, your credibility is astounding |
| 08:38.55 | leethal | I don't do rethorics |
| 08:38.56 | Guerin | such innovative use of words |
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| 08:39.02 | Guerin | like liek |
| 08:39.03 | leethal | Guerin: want a hug? |
| 08:39.06 | Guerin | and uber |
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| 08:39.20 | Guerin | leethal: want a beer? |
| 08:39.22 | leethal | having fun harassing my language instead of actually discussing the real issue? |
| 08:39.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:39.26 | cydork | leethal: feel free to read debian policy http://pkg-ruby-extras.alioth.debian.org/rubygems.html |
| 08:39.32 | Guerin | there's no issue to discuss |
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| 08:39.53 | Guerin | as you said, and I don't disagree at all, gem and apt are orthogonal |
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| 08:39.57 | Guerin | which means `not the same' |
| 08:39.59 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 08:40.04 | Guerin | or `not for the same purpose' |
| 08:40.39 | leethal | I'm also thinking that apt probably lacks quite a few gems too |
| 08:40.43 | leethal | I don't know that, though |
| 08:40.59 | Guerin | only if they're unpopular enough nobody cares to package them |
| 08:41.09 | Guerin | the market defines what is and isn't in debian |
| 08:41.24 | Guerin | (which is why it has more software than anything else) |
| 08:41.25 | eth01 | -bash: gem: gem is lame. |
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| 08:42.06 | Fox_1_ | people when I update my local repository it want to get gspca-modules-2.6.18-4-486_2.6.18+01.00.04-7+etch2_i386.deb but in packages.debian.org I see that this package has update gspca-modules-2.6-486_2.6.18-7+etch3_i386.deb |
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| 08:42.23 | Fox_1_ | why my debmirror doesn't get updated file? |
| 08:42.39 | Guerin | Fox_1_: from which mirror is it drawing? |
| 08:42.43 | Fox_1_ | ftp.debian.am |
| 08:42.46 | Fox_1_ | ftp.debian.org |
| 08:42.48 | Fox_1_ | sorry |
| 08:43.10 | leethal | so, whatever rocks the most, and is more stable, I know this: "gem install rails" works, "apt-get install rails" (usually) doesn't |
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| 08:43.34 | leethal | I also know that I tried apt-get install rails 6 months ago, so it might have been fixed |
| 08:44.27 | leethal | but that also tells me that the 'actual' gems are more likely to work |
| 08:44.52 | leethal | but then i _also_ know that Debian > all when it comes to being stable, so, uhm |
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| 08:46.04 | Guerin | leethal: except installing anything on a debian box outside the debian system makes work |
| 08:46.10 | Guerin | and debian users are inherently lazy |
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| 08:46.25 | Guerin | and i doubt it `usually' doesn't work |
| 08:46.40 | Guerin | probably occasionally, as is the case when so many tiny packages are involved |
| 08:47.28 | leethal | but isn't it easier for the users to be using gem anyway? |
| 08:47.39 | leethal | same thing on all platforms |
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| 08:50.24 | cydork | leethal: again that depends your needs. rubygems package is available for the users. did you read the policy yet? |
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| 08:51.16 | leethal | yeah |
| 08:52.40 | leethal | looks a bit silly, "There are currently no plans to improve RubyGems to ease the work of Debian and RPM packagers." |
| 08:53.13 | leethal | Debian and RPM packages isn't God |
| 08:53.36 | leethal | and, from a gem user perspective, I don't need Debian and RPM packages to handle gems |
| 08:53.50 | cydork | leethal: good for you! |
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| 08:53.59 | leethal | sigh |
| 08:54.11 | leethal | it's impossible to have proper arguments in IRC, everyone just wants to troll |
| 08:54.33 | Raregem | is there a technique on linux to use a windows dll driver to get the hardware (modem) to work on linux? I've heard it can be done |
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| 08:55.31 | leethal | I'd expect someone to at least remotely agree with my arguments |
| 08:55.35 | culdon | When I compile the source for ksendfax, I get: "configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!". i have libqt3-headers, libqt3-mt and libqt3mt-dev all at 3:3.3.7-7. what else do i need? |
| 08:55.49 | leethal | and go "hmm, yes, I see how it looks from a none-debian users perspective now" |
| 08:56.00 | leethal | but no, that doesn't look good on IRC |
| 08:56.02 | Guerin | leethal: well |
| 08:56.11 | leethal | and we're all way to fond of winning arguments |
| 08:56.12 | Guerin | leethal: i'm trying to make dinner |
| 08:56.14 | leethal | me included |
| 08:56.25 | Guerin | the point is that debian users are fucking *lazy* |
| 08:56.34 | Guerin | we only want to care about one packaging system |
| 08:56.42 | culdon | btw, why is ksendfax not in lenny? |
| 08:56.43 | Guerin | so that's all we care about |
| 08:56.55 | leethal | I don't quite see the problem here |
| 08:57.00 | Raregem | found it Ndiswrapper |
| 08:57.06 | leethal | why do you have to concider the gem system when it's not a part of the debian packaging system at all? |
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| 08:57.33 | leethal | oh, heh, got your point |
| 08:58.00 | hark | culdon: /msg dpkg compile kde stuff |
| 08:58.08 | leethal | so, basically, the problem is that the Debian users that's not Ruby users doesn't wanna care about gem? |
| 08:58.41 | Guerin | right |
| 08:58.49 | Guerin | and probably even the ruby users |
| 08:59.01 | Guerin | they'll just install ruby-* and forget about it |
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| 08:59.37 | leethal | and the Ruby users that's not Debian users doesn't wanna care about apt eithe |
| 08:59.39 | leethal | +r |
| 08:59.42 | culdon | hark, can you give the actual command? |
| 08:59.44 | Guerin | sure |
| 08:59.51 | Guerin | and let them do whatever they like |
| 09:00.09 | Guerin | apt is a lot of learnin', if you don't have to use it, don't bother |
| 09:00.28 | Guerin | it's just less work in the long run |
| 09:00.40 | hark | culdon: no |
| 09:00.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:01.01 | Guerin | to change the subject; overheard conversation between a dev and a user: |
| 09:01.20 | Guerin | she: "Oh, they changed one of our GUI apps over to java" |
| 09:01.25 | Guerin | dev: is it slow and crap? |
| 09:01.33 | Guerin | she: yup, it's crap" |
| 09:02.04 | Guerin | hence: the java rep for being slow and crap isn't a java-hater propaganda campaign; users actually notice |
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| 09:03.51 | culdon | hark, wtf. |
| 09:04.18 | wols | culdon: #debian is not your personal tutor |
| 09:04.25 | Guerin | culdon: see: debian users are *lazy* |
| 09:04.30 | liable | bastards! |
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| 09:04.41 | culdon | Guerin, you are damn well right! |
| 09:04.49 | Guerin | culdon: fuck yeah |
| 09:04.57 | leethal | debianusersarelazy.com ? |
| 09:05.06 | Guerin | debian is the one-minute-a-month maintenance OS |
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| 09:05.14 | culdon | Guerin, fuck all those lazy debian users. |
| 09:05.23 | wols | Guerin: you need to run more sid |
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| 09:05.24 | culdon | and I am not one of them. lol. |
| 09:05.26 | Guerin | culdon: they can't be arsed. |
| 09:05.30 | cydork | culdon: he is one! |
| 09:05.34 | Guerin | wols: I *do* run sid :) |
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| 09:05.47 | wols | Guerin: but you never upgrade? |
| 09:05.49 | Guerin | and explosimental and a bunch of custom shite and backports from diverse sources |
| 09:05.50 | culdon | Guerin, they always arse for it. |
| 09:06.00 | Guerin | wols: hell yeah, i'm just fucking *good* |
| 09:06.05 | wols | a frankendistro then? |
| 09:06.07 | liable | oh jeez |
| 09:06.20 | Guerin | wols: it's debian with a few bionic implants |
| 09:06.27 | Guerin | Deus Ex Debian |
| 09:06.42 | popt | why this command failed? |
| 09:06.44 | popt | http://pastebin.ca/691610 |
| 09:06.46 | cydork | Guerin: is latex involved? |
| 09:07.02 | popt | No matching plugin was found. |
| 09:07.02 | liable | and gag balls? |
| 09:07.10 | Guerin | cydork: not this time. More a steel-plated look. |
| 09:07.14 | popt | what does that mean? |
| 09:07.24 | Guerin | popt: it means No matching plugin was found. |
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| 09:07.48 | Guerin | the `matching plugin' you seek is absent or otherwise unfindable |
| 09:07.50 | popt | what plugins? |
| 09:08.38 | Guerin | the ones it seeks |
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| 09:08.46 | hark | popt: why not just install java from the repos? |
| 09:08.56 | nvz | popt: the sun java 5 isn't new enough for you? |
| 09:09.08 | popt | used to build it on other distro |
| 09:09.18 | hark | 6 is not really supported by java-package iirc |
| 09:09.25 | robboplus | can someone please advice me if VIA C3 cpu based dedicated box is actually worth a shot or absolutely not? i mean how does it compare to other cpus, etc. |
| 09:09.37 | themill | sun-java6-* is in backports for etch |
| 09:09.44 | popt | hark, thanks for that info |
| 09:09.46 | Guerin | robboplus: slow but very stable and durable, low power use, etc |
| 09:09.51 | themill | popt: ^^ |
| 09:10.05 | Guerin | robboplus: so yeah, if that's what you want, go for it. |
| 09:10.10 | Guerin | they're good CPUs |
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| 09:10.51 | wols | robboplus: it's a sub GHz (in terms of P3 performance) CPU which abysmal floatingpoint unit |
| 09:11.12 | wols | but can do a few FPU heavy things with a built in coprocessor (mpeg decoding mainly) |
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| 09:11.31 | robboplus | wols hm... how would that one perform as a simple web server or such? |
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| 09:12.09 | wols | robboplus: simple is OK. wouldn't want to put it onto a full 100Mbit line but a home server is fine: limiting factor will be the upstream there |
| 09:12.11 | robboplus | thing is that i can have it really cheapo setup on quite well performing 100mbit link and i keep wondering if it will work with debian well at all |
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| 09:12.18 | hark | ask for a trial? |
| 09:12.24 | robboplus | there is no trial |
| 09:12.43 | qiyong | how to turn audio cd into high quallity music files? |
| 09:12.53 | robboplus | well i guess the best i can do is just order it and see how it goes.. |
| 09:12.59 | wols | mount the cd, done |
| 09:13.00 | qiyong | !cd |
| 09:13.00 | dpkg | it has been said that cd is a Compact-Disc, or something that can hold about 650 megs, or a shiny silver thing that glitters, or a good beverage coaster, or change directory |
| 09:13.16 | robboplus | wols if it would do as good as, say, 1.3ghz P3 that would be OK i believe |
| 09:13.24 | wols | qiyong: linux allows you to directly get the .wav off the CD |
| 09:13.36 | qiyong | wols, what tools? |
| 09:13.41 | wols | robboplus: a Via C3 is (always) slower than a P3 at the same clockspeed |
| 09:13.44 | wols | qiyong: none |
| 09:13.50 | qiyong | wols, or any tool to get it into high rate mp3? |
| 09:14.02 | wols | qiyong: lame is the encoder of choice |
| 09:14.03 | robboplus | wols thus i just thought that 2ghz via c3 would be ~1.3 P3, right? |
| 09:14.40 | wols | robboplus: thereabouts yes. with the caveat of bad fpu which doesn't really matter on a webserver of course |
| 09:14.51 | wols | !lame |
| 09:14.51 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:14.58 | robboplus | hm so the fpu is the weak link here |
| 09:15.21 | robboplus | but still for storage or not-so-big web server it could do nicely |
| 09:15.24 | hark | cache too i guess |
| 09:15.35 | robboplus | oh hm yes... c3 in fact has nearly no cache lol |
| 09:15.36 | wols | as I said: things like mpeg is fine since it has special hardware for that. HPC is not |
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| 09:16.03 | robboplus | so it's more like a home cpu and not a server one |
| 09:16.08 | wols | robboplus: how much for a C3 board with the cpu? |
| 09:16.26 | wols | cause except for size, I don't see too much reason for it imho |
| 09:16.34 | wols | it's an embedded cpu |
| 09:16.45 | robboplus | wols it's a dedi - around 50 usd/month on 100mbit unmetered :) |
| 09:17.09 | wols | dedi server that uses C3s? |
| 09:17.10 | robboplus | and 160gb in raid0 |
| 09:17.12 | robboplus | yes |
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| 09:17.31 | wols | btw: 50USD is kinda expensive |
| 09:17.40 | robboplus | for unmetered 100mbit? |
| 09:17.52 | robboplus | that's the catch :) |
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| 09:19.22 | wols | "unmetered"§ = scam |
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| 09:21.06 | robboplus | that's true but in fact i know a guy who did 2TB+ there in a month |
| 09:21.14 | geo-rge | it's always metered by someone... and it always costs someone |
| 09:21.18 | robboplus | averaging at 45-60mbits |
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| 09:22.17 | robboplus | is via c3 fully debian compatible? |
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| 09:22.26 | robboplus | not sure if that's a proper question |
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| 09:22.45 | robboplus | but should i expect any troubles like broken irqs etc? |
| 09:22.48 | geo-rge | compatibility of a cpu is with a kernel |
| 09:22.55 | wols | guess 5USD is sorta OK. dollrs isn't even worth the paper anymore.. |
| 09:22.57 | wols | a64 3700 2x160GB costs 49EUR here (basically 66USD) |
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| 09:23.16 | wols | yes it runs linux fine. hardware is supported |
| 09:23.18 | robboplus | wols well i pay 79E for amd X2 4600 :) |
| 09:23.27 | robboplus | but that's not same as 45E |
| 09:23.42 | wols | yup |
| 09:23.50 | robboplus | and i got 1TB cap |
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| 09:24.02 | Enigma | How can I monitor the disk io? eg: usage%, read/s, write/s, read-bytes/s, write-bytes/s |
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| 09:24.08 | robboplus | i barely use more than 300-400GB but still it's a bit sad for 79 |
| 09:24.18 | wols | the one I spoke about has no cap either. but after 1TB you are limited to 10Mbit instead of 100 |
| 09:24.26 | wols | and again: there are always caps |
| 09:24.35 | robboplus | oh then that's same colo as mine :) they are great btw |
| 09:24.43 | wols | just use 1TB with the new host and see how long you can keep it up :) |
| 09:24.43 | nvz | qiyong: you could encode them in flac, its suppose to be lossless, though I don't know how much space that would save over using just the wav off the cd |
| 09:24.55 | et | nvz: 50%, usually |
| 09:24.56 | robboplus | wols true... they might start shaping like mad cows |
| 09:25.09 | robboplus | wols so your advice is to drop that offer |
| 09:25.10 | wols | et: thought it was a bit more |
| 09:25.24 | wols | not too much more but I thought 250-300MB ca per CD |
| 09:25.31 | nvz | which is still what, like 3x bigger than an mp3 |
| 09:25.36 | robboplus | wols perhaps i will just got another box with the same colo - cheapest one |
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| 09:25.44 | robboplus | get* |
| 09:25.48 | wols | robboplus: my advice is not to bank on anything unlimited |
| 09:25.56 | robboplus | yes i understand |
| 09:26.00 | wols | robboplus: where are you now? |
| 09:26.05 | robboplus | EU |
| 09:26.14 | wols | I mean the hoster |
| 09:26.17 | robboplus | H |
| 09:26.27 | wols | H? |
| 09:26.30 | robboplus | hetzner |
| 09:26.34 | qiyong | nvz, what tool to encode into flac? |
| 09:26.39 | robboplus | who else in de? :) they are the best he he |
| 09:26.53 | robboplus | ...unless i find comparable offer with at least 2TB |
| 09:26.58 | wols | the 49EUR I spoke about was hetzner... :) |
| 09:27.16 | robboplus | yah i realised about that ;) config did sound familiar he he |
| 09:27.26 | wols | A friend of mine got it and is quite happy so far (use it myself as a SOCKS proxy for online gaming. works fine :)) |
| 09:27.37 | robboplus | 2x320 for 79 though and stronger cpu plus 2GB ram |
| 09:27.59 | robboplus | hm socks proxy for gaming? smells like a bouncer right? |
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| 09:28.02 | wols | what do you need 2GB for? a site that needs 2GB won't be happy with a C3... |
| 09:28.07 | nvz | qiyong: you could use the flac package, contains command line tools, though if you install the libflac you could probably use a graphical frontend like grip to rip off the cd and encode to flac all at once |
| 09:28.14 | robboplus | wols i basically didn't need 2GB |
| 09:28.17 | wols | yes. there are some IP restrictions in the game |
| 09:28.32 | robboplus | wols i just had to pay initial 100E so i thought i would put that into 2GB instead of 1GB :) |
| 09:28.42 | Arafanger | Hey, how can I find out why my windows clients refuse to get or use the domain-name-servers from my dhcp server, and how can I debug this? |
| 09:28.47 | qiyong | nvz, thanks |
| 09:28.54 | robboplus | wols does such socks setup help with lags also? |
| 09:28.55 | Arafanger | (the dhcp server is running on debian linux) |
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| 09:29.01 | robboplus | i mean it changes the routing right? |
| 09:29.19 | wols | robboplus: no. 5ms higher pings ca (to sweden. not very lag sensitive game) |
| 09:29.29 | robboplus | hm. |
| 09:29.31 | wols | yes it changes routing |
| 09:29.38 | wols | make it 5-10ms |
| 09:30.00 | wols | for the game server it looks like you come from the dedi box, seamlessly |
| 09:30.01 | nvz | qiyong: I just checked, you still need the "flac" package with command line utils even if you use grip, as grip just calls the command line programs it doesnt support encoding itself |
| 09:30.04 | robboplus | i'm asking because i play as well from time to time and some other people could gain with such socks setup too... they have really bad route to the gaming box |
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| 09:30.30 | robboplus | ..while my box has just a brilliant route and like 12ms latency :) |
| 09:30.39 | wols | run dante server and something like sockscap32 on the client end to socksify the game |
| 09:30.41 | qiyong | nvz, cdplay plays the cd, but what process is playing? |
| 09:30.49 | robboplus | wols so dante is the thing |
| 09:30.52 | qiyong | nvz, cdplay seems exist immediately |
| 09:30.59 | wols | at least it's what I use |
| 09:31.09 | robboplus | i remember reading about that one last year or so but failed to setup it for some mean reason |
| 09:31.13 | nvz | qiyong: I can't make any sense of either of the last two lines you addressed to me |
| 09:31.15 | wols | qiyong: nothing. wav files from CD are piped to the soundcard dierctly |
| 09:31.42 | qiyong | wols, by kernel? there's should be some process doing the pipe |
| 09:31.47 | robboplus | many thanks - will try as it sounds like it's worth a shot |
| 09:32.00 | qiyong | wols, is tracks in wav format? |
| 09:32.03 | nvz | qiyong: ah, playing cds is done by the cdrom |
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| 09:32.17 | wols | qiyong: yes, tracks on CDs are simply WAV |
| 09:32.22 | nvz | qiyong: the cdrom has a cable that connects directly to your sound card |
| 09:32.37 | qiyong | nvz, oh, that's why cdrom has cable connected to the sound card, right? |
| 09:32.39 | robboplus | and will leave that c3 idea... even though paying 100E again to setup a simple backup server doesn't smell like fun |
| 09:32.45 | nvz | qiyong: some cdroms have play buttons on them and you can play cds even without an OS running |
| 09:33.02 | nvz | qiyong: playing audio cds is a native function of the drive |
| 09:33.28 | qiyong | nvz, wols how to rip the .wav? |
| 09:33.37 | qiyong | nvz, what lib, tool or by os? |
| 09:33.39 | nvz | qiyong: grip will do it all for you |
| 09:33.50 | qiyong | nvz, how does grip do it? |
| 09:33.54 | nvz | qiyong: install grip, and an encoder of choice.. i.e. flac |
| 09:34.18 | Arafanger | How do I ensure that my dhcpd server actually is sending the domain-name-servers information? |
| 09:34.35 | wols | Arafanger: are your linux clients getting the info? |
| 09:34.36 | qiyong | nvz, i expect some audio cdrom filesystem, where you may rip wavs by cp |
| 09:34.36 | nvz | qiyong: grip uses cdparanoia |
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| 09:34.54 | Arafanger | wols: I do not have a linux /client/ to test with. |
| 09:35.07 | wols | qiyong: there is such a fs in the kernel. or at least was |
| 09:35.15 | wols | Arafanger: CoLinux or similar |
| 09:35.22 | danielito | how do I get all files of a directory via ftp command line? if I use 'mget *' I have to confirm every file |
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| 09:35.55 | Arafanger | wols: What I need is to have the windows machines get the info from the debian server. |
| 09:36.17 | Arafanger | wols: It was working fine when they were plugged directly into the modem, but now the debian server is setup as a gateway between the modem and the windows machinhes. |
| 09:36.26 | wols | danielito: get a decent ftp client. ncftp or lftp |
| 09:36.50 | wols | Arafanger: dhcp is not routable... do you have a dhcp server running on debian? |
| 09:36.55 | nvz | qiyong: na digital extraction doesn't work quite like that. it basically directly accesses the drive in a sort of binary way based on time cues from the table of contents on the cd |
| 09:37.10 | wols | a modem has no dhcp server usually. at least not for several LAN boxes at once |
| 09:37.13 | Arafanger | wols: Yes. |
| 09:37.18 | nvz | qiyong: audio discs don't really contain a real filesystem in the sense you are thinking of |
| 09:37.32 | wols | Arafanger: then you haven't set up your DNS correctly I guess. I advise dnsmasq |
| 09:37.47 | nvz | qiyong: but cdparanoia and flac are the tools you want if you don't want to use the grip graphical frontend |
| 09:37.48 | Arafanger | wols: I also have a working bind relay server running on the debian system. |
| 09:37.56 | wols | nvz: there is ISO9660 I thought |
| 09:37.59 | wols | Arafanger: use dnsmasq |
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| 09:38.40 | Arafanger | wols: Why? The dns itself is working perfectly fine. I can even explicitly setup the windows machines to use a specific ip for the dns, which is 192.168.1.1, but I want them to get that ip from the dhcp server. |
| 09:38.52 | Arafanger | wols: In other words, the dns server itself is perfectly fine. |
| 09:39.09 | wols | cause dnsmasq is leaner and does both easily (dns and DHCP) and it's explicitly made for what you do |
| 09:39.15 | wols | !dnsmasq |
| 09:39.43 | Arafanger | wols: This dns server is more than a mere masq. :( |
| 09:39.56 | Arafanger | wols: I've got a bunch of data in it that it has to serve on the local network - printers and all kinds of stuff. |
| 09:40.23 | wols | Arafanger: that is no reason for bind iether. simply put those things in /etc/hosts and dnsmasq will serve them up as well |
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| 09:40.49 | wols | and a lot easier than doing your own bind zonefiles :) |
| 09:41.00 | Arafanger | wols: Nice, but given that I already have bind working, I would like to leave it. |
| 09:41.01 | pan3 | hi, i want to use 2 keyboards at the same time with different layouts within X. one is a PS2 keyboard (corekeyboard) and the secondary is an usb keyboard. i used the option device "dev/input/eventNN" for each keyboard, and i just get crap when i hit a key. any ideas? what are the default device filenames? |
| 09:41.33 | wols | Arafanger: have fun debugging your dhcpd then |
| 09:41.50 | Arafanger | wols: Can I remind you that all the information given by dhcp3 is being sent - it is /only/ the option domain-name-servers that doesn't seem to be working right. |
| 09:42.41 | nvz | wols: afaik CDDA has absolutly nothing to do with ISO9660 |
| 09:42.46 | Arafanger | pan3: Why not just use the one keyboard and switch layouts as you please? |
| 09:43.12 | themill | pan3: look in /dev/input/by-path/ |
| 09:43.41 | Arafanger | wols: Ahh, stupid dhcp3, looks like there was a superflourious configuration file, and I was editing the wrong one. |
| 09:43.43 | pan3 | themill: i did, and then i used the right eventNN these symlinks point to |
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| 09:44.10 | nvz | wols: or WAV for that matter which is a form of PCM Waveform encoding as is CDDA |
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| 09:44.41 | Bluechip | Does anyone here know anything about making bootable linux install cds? |
| 09:44.54 | wols | !custom cd |
| 09:44.55 | dpkg | [custom cd] So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
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| 09:45.00 | wols | dpkg knows everything |
| 09:45.00 | dpkg | Yes, I do, wols. |
| 09:45.06 | Bluechip | thx :) |
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| 09:46.28 | themill | pan3: and does that not work? |
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| 09:47.14 | pan3 | themill: no i just get some really strange characters when i hit a key (on each keyboard) |
| 09:47.20 | nvz | wols: the format of an audio cd is known as CDDA or "Redbook" or IEC 60908 |
| 09:47.40 | themill | pan3: strange chars when you cat that device or strange chars when you use that device in X? |
| 09:47.56 | pan3 | themill: when i use it within X |
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| 09:50.33 | themill | pan3: and you have the correct XkbModel and XkbLayout configued for each InputDevice section? (I presume that the kbd InputDevice driver accepts an argument for Device) |
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| 09:51.00 | pan3 | themill: now this is strange: when i cat /dev/input/event1 (which is the USB keyboard as said by the "by-path" link,) i can see the keys i enter with the PS2 keyboard just fine(?) but when i hit a key on the USB kbd, which actually is event1, i just see crap |
| 09:52.24 | Knight_Lord | I have a very high load (7) on one of my file servers and an IOWAIT of 95%. Can anyone help me diagnose the problem? The server uses software raid and nfs to serve files. |
| 09:52.39 | marc7 | if I'm creating a new partition for /tmp so I can set noexec, what's a good size? 50MB? |
| 09:52.45 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: Run top, and sort by CPU load? |
| 09:53.03 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger CPU load is very low |
| 09:53.21 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger maximum is one nfsd at 2% |
| 09:53.24 | themill | marc7: will you want to store iso images in tmp e.g. when copying CDs? If so, make it bigger than that! |
| 09:53.40 | marc7 | themill: server environment |
| 09:53.57 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: Hmm, makes it tricker to debug. Do you have many programs running, or just a few daemons? |
| 09:54.10 | pan3 | themill: thanks however i'll try to fix that later.. |
| 09:54.20 | themill | pan3: good luck.... ;) |
| 09:54.22 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger just some daemons |
| 09:54.45 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: With failover? |
| 09:54.58 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger what do you mean with failover? |
| 09:55.03 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger it's debian stable by the way |
| 09:55.24 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: Can you turn some of them off, and allow the other server (ie, failover server) to take up the load? |
| 09:55.37 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger not easily |
| 09:55.37 | liable | marc7: you realise this will break dpkg? |
| 09:55.39 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: if the load significantly reduces, that's something to investigate. |
| 09:55.49 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger the load almost for sure comes from the nfsd |
| 09:56.00 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger that's basically the only thing running i think |
| 09:56.04 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: What nfs options do you use? |
| 09:56.23 | Knight_Lord | -rsize=32768,wsize=32768,intr |
| 09:56.34 | marc7 | liable: nope, did not realize noexec on /tmp would break things. looking into that now. |
| 09:56.45 | themill | marc7: that size should be fine then.... think about what other cron jobs you have that might want to dump stuff in tmp for a while (db backups perhaps?). But as liable said, there are some problems with noexec :) |
| 09:56.52 | liable | marc7: i think the securing debian manual mentions it |
| 09:57.03 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: I do not use nfs, but have you tried seeing if you have any options that can improve performance, such as turning off atime and those usual optimizations? |
| 09:57.30 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: I hear that async (with or without, I can't remember) makes a big difference. |
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| 09:57.50 | themill | marc7: there are ways around it though -- see https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/debconf/+bug/90085 for a couple of ideas |
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| 09:58.26 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger those were the mount options. I'm exporting the FS as rw,async,insecure,no_subtree_check |
| 09:58.27 | marc7 | i've found the suggestion to us DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs and Post-Invoke on another website to remount the volume with exec, but that's likely to generate a lot of alerts from my host IDS |
| 09:58.56 | themill | marc7: also http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/57 |
| 09:58.56 | Knight_Lord | Arafanger I don't think you can make it any faster |
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| 09:59.39 | Arafanger | Knight_Lord: You're probably right. I'll let someone here help you, but you could well need to use a mailing list. I find experts are more likely to answer on mailing lists. |
| 10:00.04 | marc7 | does anybody think there's any value in doing something like this? or if people are mucking about in /tmp, i have bigger things to worry about |
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| 10:00.34 | Arafanger | marc7: It is considered good practice to use /tmp for temp files, even as a user. |
| 10:00.44 | marc7 | Arafanger: the +noexec bit though |
| 10:00.53 | liable | marc7: personally, i think if they have got access to /tmp your pretty much screwed anyway |
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| 10:01.12 | Arafanger | marc7: I like +s, as well, for good measure. |
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| 10:01.41 | marc7 | i mean, it might throw off an automated script that tries to break in through a vulnerability on something like phpBB |
| 10:02.02 | marc7 | anyway, hardening php is another matter |
| 10:02.18 | marc7 | thanks guys |
| 10:03.12 | themill | marc7: good luck.... noexec doesn't prevent "sh myscript.sh" only "./myscript.sh" of course.... |
| 10:03.33 | marc7 | then *really*... |
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| 10:03.39 | marc7 | *shakes head* |
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| 10:04.52 | timbobsteve | hi all |
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| 10:23.48 | xdr | (EE) Failed to load module "vesa" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
| 10:23.55 | xdr | what does this error mean? |
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| 10:34.56 | slapfaceware | does squirrelmail support pop3? |
| 10:37.46 | themill | it can fetch from another account by pop3 but I think it requires imap for rw access to a mail store. |
| 10:38.00 | slapfaceware | how about openwebmail |
| 10:38.23 | themill | slapfaceware: we're not your google-proxy.... ;) |
| 10:40.16 | nvz | slapfaceware: are you running debian? |
| 10:40.23 | liable | dovecot |
| 10:40.39 | slapfaceware | nvz, are you running debian too? |
| 10:40.54 | nvz | slapfaceware: yes, I've been running debian for about 7 years |
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| 10:41.25 | nvz | slapfaceware: I asked because the sort of questions you are asking can be answered in your shell by typing apt-cache show and looking at the debtags at the bottom |
| 10:41.44 | slapfaceware | not aptitude search? |
| 10:41.54 | nvz | slapfaceware: in the case of squirrel mail it says mail::{imap,smtp,user-agent} |
| 10:41.57 | slapfaceware | are we supposed to use aptitude or apt-get |
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| 10:42.12 | nvz | slapfaceware: either or, aptitude show, works too |
| 10:42.23 | slapfaceware | i'm looking for a webmail solution for smtp, pop3 |
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| 10:43.16 | nvz | slapfaceware: again debtags is the answer to these sorts of questions. its a fairly new system of categorizing debian packages |
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| 10:43.29 | themill | slapfaceware: you're unlikely to find one. pop3 isn't designed to do the sorts of things you want. |
| 10:43.42 | themill | nvz: is this only with lenny/sid? |
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| 10:44.01 | slapfaceware | but openwebmail does that, and it was removed from debian |
| 10:44.04 | nvz | slapfaceware: you are looking for a program with the tags interface::web mail::pop3 |
| 10:44.27 | nvz | themill: no it works on etch |
| 10:45.05 | gvs | For a really basic install with just gtk and X, do I only need to get the first debian etch iso? |
| 10:45.12 | themill | nvz: hmmmm... doesn't for me... "apt-cache show squirrelmail" shows no debtags at all. |
| 10:46.05 | DustyBin | im running squirrelmail on etch |
| 10:46.38 | slapfaceware | my exim server is using dovecot pop3 |
| 10:46.46 | nvz | slapfaceware: actually it should be protocol::pop3 and interface::web I guess, the debtags package will set you up with a tag database you can search for things like this easily any time you want |
| 10:46.49 | slapfaceware | i wonder if squirelmail can work in this case |
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| 10:47.51 | nvz | themill: it doesn't show Tag: ...etc at the bottom ? |
| 10:47.55 | themill | nvz: ahh.... squirrelmail has no debtags at all, that's why. dovecot-imapd shows me debtags. |
| 10:48.12 | nvz | themill: squirrelmail has a crapload of debtags |
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| 10:48.43 | nvz | themill: twelve of them to be exact |
| 10:48.52 | themill | http://pastebin.ca/691710 |
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| 10:49.31 | xand | slapfaceware: why don't you install imap. |
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| 10:49.47 | xand | slapfaceware: pop3 is not suitable for use with webmail, and is crap in general |
| 10:49.48 | themill | nvz: squirrelmail-decode shows me debtags... |
| 10:49.50 | slapfaceware | the server is setup that way, pop3 |
| 10:50.20 | nvz | themill: uh, why is it showing the package info 3 times... |
| 10:50.33 | ftl | In which file can I alter my static network settings? |
| 10:50.42 | nvz | themill: you should try apt-get update |
| 10:50.57 | nvz | themill: seems like your cache is corrupt |
| 10:51.18 | themill | nvz: because I also have experimental, lenny and sid in my sources.list at present; I'm completely up to date on etch. The cache isn't corrupt ;) |
| 10:51.43 | slapfaceware | basically i don't want to get involved too much, i just want to setup a usable web mail solution and take rest, of course i know i can setup imap. but that means a big deal to IT department, i want to avoid that |
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| 10:51.54 | nvz | themill: whatever pulls your bandwagon |
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| 10:52.16 | slapfaceware | i hate this administrator job |
| 10:52.21 | slapfaceware | all debian box are out of date |
| 10:52.27 | slapfaceware | like 3.0 and 3.1 |
| 10:52.38 | nvz | slapfaceware: heh. its simple to upgrade debian |
| 10:52.40 | slapfaceware | a simple update will corrupt system and cause downtime |
| 10:52.51 | slapfaceware | yesterday i was updating a sarge |
| 10:53.03 | slapfaceware | and it crashes and kept rebooting itself |
| 10:53.10 | slapfaceware | and kernel panic |
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| 10:53.29 | xand | slapfaceware: yes, so install imap. pop3 is NOT suitable for webmail use |
| 10:53.30 | nvz | sucks to be you I guess |
| 10:53.50 | nvz | imap has counteless advantages over pop |
| 10:53.52 | slapfaceware | yah i shouldn't update debian |
| 10:53.59 | slapfaceware | imap is slower too |
| 10:54.09 | harpal | I have two machines. both have same configuration. I have installed debian on 1 machine and than I have attached that harddisk to other machine than its working perfectly but the interface changed to eth0 to eth2 and eth11 to eth3 why? |
| 10:54.10 | slapfaceware | slow down whole network |
| 10:54.41 | fireba11 | slapfaceware : try using maildir maybe ? |
| 10:55.15 | xand | slapfaceware: rubbish. |
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| 10:56.29 | masus | hi, i can't login to ltsp-server , always the login page is reloaded |
| 10:56.33 | masus | can anybody help ? |
| 10:56.37 | themill | nvz: I've just tried it on a completely vanilla etch box. Without the repos versions in the sources.list there is only one entry in apt-cache show, but still no debtags under etch. |
| 10:57.12 | themill | nvz: p.d.o shows no debtags either for squirrelmail |
| 10:57.23 | nvz | themill: i dunno.. I'm not real knowledgable about how it all works as its fairly new.. but it shows 12 tags for me |
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| 10:58.07 | themill | nvz: ah well.. that makes it coffee time ;) |
| 10:58.27 | nvz | themill: whatever stains your mug |
| 10:58.34 | nvz | I'll pass |
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| 10:59.35 | nvz | what is usleep? |
| 10:59.51 | nvz | erm |
| 10:59.52 | nvz | nm |
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| 11:00.08 | slapfaceware | means i don't sleep, he don't sleep |
| 11:00.34 | wols | microsleep. yields the timeslice for x usecs |
| 11:00.37 | nvz | I asked that on the wrong network.. I just started using split windows in irssi today.. still getting used to it |
| 11:01.02 | slapfaceware | oh, first day on irssi? |
| 11:01.18 | nvz | no I've been using irssi for like 7 years |
| 11:01.22 | slapfaceware | irssi has good learning curve? |
| 11:01.25 | liable | dont worry, i still paste to the wrong fucking window after three years |
| 11:01.31 | nvz | I just finally took the time to understand split windows |
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| 11:02.20 | nvz | I was using kvirc when I first got on debian and tried xchat and bitchx and they all sucked so bad they created a vaccume on my network |
| 11:02.30 | mortal_ | vacuum |
| 11:02.40 | nvz | mortal_: right, that too |
| 11:02.43 | nvz | heh |
| 11:04.22 | St3rnchen | hi |
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| 11:05.01 | CalJohn | can anyone advise on a good graph plotting program? I'm looking for one that will let my plot things like "y=2x" |
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| 11:05.19 | nvz | slapfaceware: if you are used to something else it has quite a learning curve.. its always hard to adjust to a positive atmosphere when you are used to living in a vacuum |
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| 11:08.18 | xand | nvz: not sure that living in a vacuum is physically possible |
| 11:09.05 | masus | can't login to ltsp-server , anyone an idea |
| 11:09.05 | masus | ? |
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| 11:12.43 | masus | it seems to be an authenticate problem |
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| 11:16.48 | fireba11 | !ltsp |
| 11:16.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ltsp is the linux terminal server project, at http://www.ltsp.org |
| 11:17.52 | klikklak | hey, I've got two problems. First, is hal and lirc confirmed to be broken with 2.6.22? I had them working for a short period after compilnig a new kernel (2.6.22.1->2.6.22.6), but after awhile they both crash |
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| 11:18.40 | klikklak | second, why does it seem that youtube videos have turned really stuttery? Previously only download speed was the problem, but now the videos are unwatcheable even fully loaded |
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| 11:19.23 | fireba11 | klikklak: sounds to me like you messed up compiling the kernel .. why do you compile anyway ? |
| 11:19.24 | klikklak | using debian lenny/sid |
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| 11:20.32 | klikklak | fireba11: I've been doing it for a long time, so it's mostly habit. secondly also I had problems getting nvidia drivers to work with debian-stock kernel, 2.6.20 (and regular crashes before that with 2.6.17) |
| 11:20.45 | geo-rge | klikklak: checked the BTS? |
| 11:20.49 | klikklak | not yet |
| 11:21.14 | geo-rge | are you running sid? |
| 11:21.42 | klikklak | it's not pure sid, but some programs are from sid |
| 11:21.46 | Knight_Lord | klikklak what does lenny/sid means? |
| 11:22.52 | geo-rge | if so.... that should -always- be your first move (before posing on a mailing list, before asking on an irc channel, etc...) could be you're the first one to encounter the problem... so maybe you should try to fix it and submit a patch |
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| 11:23.31 | klikklak | Knight_Lord: like I said some programs (looks like ony nvidia) come from sid |
| 11:24.01 | klikklak | geo-rge: I still haven't learned. sorry, I'll get back to reading |
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| 11:24.20 | Nyle | aaahh dude, weak |
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| 11:24.36 | Nyle | I set my alarm too, so I could wake up early, and go jogging, and its raining outside :( |
| 11:24.46 | CalJohn | Nyle: ? |
| 11:24.53 | Nyle | :( |
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| 11:38.28 | harpal | I have upgraded from debian 3.1 to 4.0 and I have resolution as 1024*768 but my screen doesnt become small. and if I move my mouse left and it expands and move it to right than it expands, but resolution is not fiting in to size whats problme? |
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| 11:40.06 | hark | what does xdpyinfo |grep dime say? |
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| 11:41.04 | harpal | hark: dimensions: 1024x768 pixels (271x203 millimeters) |
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| 11:41.39 | harpal | in 800*600 resoluion it says dimensions: 800x600 pixels (271x203 millimeters) |
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| 11:42.32 | hark | yeah, so it is at 1024x768 then.. is this an LCD? |
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| 11:42.59 | harpal | No |
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| 11:46.08 | harpal | hark: what should I do? |
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| 11:47.15 | danielit1 | how can I find out, which dns-addresses are assigned to my hardware-router if it is configured to get those automatically? |
| 11:47.18 | stickybit` | http://readlist.com/lists/gentoo.org/gentoo-user/18/90739.html |
| 11:47.27 | stickybit` | I want to install Debian |
| 11:47.30 | wols | danielit1: whatismyip.org |
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| 11:47.34 | stickybit` | but facing same problem |
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| 11:53.30 | klikklak | right, the hal problem was already known, I subscribed to the bugs that were the same as mine |
| 11:53.36 | klikklak | lirc is related |
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| 11:59.45 | Hammar | what replacement for network-manager-gnome could i use with lenny? |
| 12:00.55 | klikklak | is anyone else playing free software song everytime you log in? its great for singing along |
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| 12:04.46 | xand | klikklak: erm, no :P |
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| 12:05.31 | klikklak | :) I oughta have put a smiley there, but yeah, its good fun, I recommend it :) |
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| 12:06.27 | wols | stickybit`: i386 or amd64 |
| 12:06.47 | wols | stickybit`: IA64 ist Itanium. you KNOW when you bought one of those |
| 12:07.01 | stickybit` | wols: thanks... but I got the answer |
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| 12:07.39 | stickybit` | wols: http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2005-August/051025.html |
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| 12:12.26 | jan__ | Is there a package of VMware tools for debian lenny? |
| 12:13.05 | sep | jan__, if you find one, LET ME KNOW !! |
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| 12:13.27 | cydork | !info vmware-package lenny |
| 12:13.32 | dpkg | vmware-package: (utility for building VMware Debian packages), section contrib/misc, is extra. Version: 0.12 (lenny), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 424 kB |
| 12:13.34 | s3_ | hello, there. somebody already configured WDS with 2 Linux twirling in mode AP? (autocreate=ap), and it can indicate me some reference for reading? |
| 12:13.45 | cydork | jan__: you want that? |
| 12:13.53 | sep | cydork, the vmware-package is a script for packaging the vmware workstation or vmware server into a .deb to install |
| 12:14.01 | sep | it's NOT a script to package vmware-tools |
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| 12:14.56 | cydork | sep: yeah true. |
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| 12:15.22 | xda | i just added a ram module of 1gb. my bios says that i have 1.2 in total but in linux i get 1gb. why? |
| 12:15.37 | sep | cydork, and the people that have asked about vmware-tool on the vmware-package mailinglist have gone unanswered. so i dont even know if it's planned to support it or not |
| 12:15.43 | \amethyst | xda: which kernel are you using? |
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| 12:15.48 | wols | xda: what kernel-. uname -a |
| 12:16.04 | xda | 2.6.22 |
| 12:16.10 | \amethyst | xda: full version |
| 12:16.37 | wols | !tell sep about vmware |
| 12:16.38 | \amethyst | Or did you compile your own? |
| 12:16.48 | xda | no was a dep package |
| 12:16.51 | xda | deb* |
| 12:16.56 | wols | even then uname -a tells you the full version |
| 12:16.57 | sep | wols, nothing new there :) |
| 12:17.07 | \amethyst | xda: then there should be an extra -N-subarch in the version |
| 12:17.26 | Hammar | what is the "common" method for a user to manage wireless connections? |
| 12:17.38 | xda | yes but i'm not on the target pc right now |
| 12:17.53 | wols | Hammar: gnome network manager probably |
| 12:18.00 | wols | xda: what cpu is that PC |
| 12:18.03 | \amethyst | xda: you need to make sure you're using the -686 (Intel) or -k7 or -amd64 (AMD) kernel |
| 12:18.14 | Hammar | wols: that appears to be gone from the repositories for lenny |
| 12:18.27 | wols | Hammar: kwifimanager otherwise |
| 12:18.30 | \amethyst | xda: you're probably using -486, which doesn't have HIGHMEM4G set |
| 12:18.45 | xda | hm i think so |
| 12:18.51 | xda | and what should i do? |
| 12:19.14 | hark | Hammar: you can use network-manager-kde or backport network-manager-gnome from sid |
| 12:20.08 | \amethyst | xda: install the linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 or linux-image-2.6.22-2-k7 package, upgrade or recompile any third-party modules, and boot from that kernel |
| 12:20.17 | wols | xda: install a kernel compiled for your CPU |
| 12:20.40 | Hammar | hark, wols: as kwifimanager and network-manager-kde require me to install at least 70mb of unwanted kde-libraries... how does that backport-thingie work again? :) |
| 12:20.43 | xda | ah ok thanks people |
| 12:21.16 | wols | Hammar: backports won't help you with that |
| 12:21.39 | wols | Hammar: you can also use standard /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:22.41 | \amethyst | Hammar: there's also wifi-radar, but it requires root access |
| 12:22.53 | \amethyst | Hammar: and network-manager-gnome |
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| 12:24.35 | wsdo_okadr | If a bash script runs and one of the commands is like su - <some_user> or any kind of log in , the bash script needs to wait until that is closed so the next instructions after that won't ever be executed because that thing will never close because it has absolutely no reason to close.how can I make bash understand that the instructions following that login must be run from the new logged on user ? |
| 12:24.55 | xand | don't think that's possible |
| 12:25.02 | wsdo_okadr | I could make some kind of system with some pipes to make bash understand what's going on |
| 12:25.13 | wsdo_okadr | I was just wondering if bash was smart enough to figgure that already ... |
| 12:25.14 | xand | you can maybe use su -c, or sudo |
| 12:25.15 | capiira | any sh guru here? :) |
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| 12:26.04 | Hammar | would be interesting to know where network-manager-gnome for lenny went... google cache indicates it was avaible only six days ago |
| 12:26.42 | wsdo_okadr | xand: no... |
| 12:26.51 | hark | it was split from network-manager to a separate package |
| 12:28.05 | xda | with an amd64 kernel can i use 32bit applications? |
| 12:28.13 | cast | xda: yes. |
| 12:28.33 | xda | cast:emulation? |
| 12:28.36 | Hammar | wols: /etc/network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant it is... thx so far |
| 12:28.48 | cast | xda: don't need it, amd64 kernel will work fine with 64 or 32bit userland |
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| 12:29.52 | ftl | Anyone got an idea how come I can't sudo command in debian? |
| 12:29.55 | ftl | My pass is correct |
| 12:30.02 | ftl | Is there some place where I need to enable this? |
| 12:30.11 | wols | !sudoer |
| 12:30.12 | \amethyst | ftl: man sudoers |
| 12:30.21 | cast | ftl: 'because debian isn't ubuntu' |
| 12:30.24 | hark | !sudoers |
| 12:30.24 | dpkg | hmm... sudoers is To give your user the ability to run arbitrary commands as root with sudo, add a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). |
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| 12:30.38 | hark | !visudo |
| 12:30.38 | dpkg | hmm... visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers> |
| 12:30.38 | ftl | ty |
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| 12:31.47 | s3_ | my debian, is crazy hehehe, the wifi lan(WDS) is name ath1_rename... its the bug? |
| 12:32.10 | wols | it'Äs a udev "feature" |
| 12:32.13 | liable | blame udev! |
| 12:33.12 | s3_ | have solution? |
| 12:33.54 | liable | !z25 |
| 12:33.54 | dpkg | hmm... z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to staticly rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. the addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. if you don't want udev to touch your interface names, remove that file and z45_persistent-net-generator.rules in the same directory |
| 12:33.56 | \amethyst | s3_: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (or nuke it) |
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| 12:39.54 | s3_ | \amethyst thz, but the first wlanconfig create is ok.. (ath0) the others not ok... ath1_rename... ath2_rename or ath0wds0_rename... hehehe and WDS not work but is the other problem hehhee... thz for the information |
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| 12:40.29 | cast | such a hassle trying to decide on format for embedded video, on account of WMP being crippleware in the can-play-anything-stock department |
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| 12:43.50 | xaque | Can anyone tell me why ntpdate -b -u $ip syncs the clock, but its an hour behind? |
| 12:44.03 | wols | wwrong timezone |
| 12:44.30 | wols | cast: the web has spoken, flash video it is |
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| 12:47.17 | hark | cast: silverlight ;) |
| 12:47.31 | wols | !evil hark |
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| 12:50.33 | fastputty | crontab * * 0 * * tat mean every day at midnight right? |
| 12:50.37 | fastputty | am i righ6 |
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| 12:55.58 | brrr | hi |
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| 12:58.11 | ampex | cast: flash |
| 12:59.34 | fastputty | crontab * * 0 * * tat mean every day at midnight right? |
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| 13:01.43 | fireba11 | fastputty: try man crontab ^^ |
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| 13:03.10 | fastputty | just asnwer yes or no .. it not tat hard i already read it just wanna make sure .. lol |
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| 13:04.47 | AngusRF | With ntfs-3g, I created a file with a colon in its name. The windows driver can't access it, the filename is invalid. Do you see any chance to get the file back without needing to get into debian again? |
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| 13:07.37 | jelly | what's the least expensive way to count the number of files in a directory (no recursion)? |
| 13:07.42 | cast | ampex, wols: satanists. |
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| 13:09.26 | \amethyst | jelly: do subdirectories count as files? |
| 13:09.29 | timgoh0 | jelly: ls -al? The second line? |
| 13:11.08 | jelly | \amethyst: sure, I don't care. |
| 13:11.22 | \amethyst | i=0; for x in directory/*; do let i++; done; echo $i |
| 13:11.25 | code_ | hello, i can't apt-get nvidia-glx, despite i have lenny main non-free contrib in sources.list. can you give hint please ? |
| 13:11.31 | jelly | timgoh0: definitely not ls -l |
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| 13:11.44 | timgoh0 | jelly: Why not? |
| 13:11.57 | \amethyst | jelly: you'll also want .[^.] ..?* if you want to catch dotfiles |
| 13:12.18 | jelly | timgoh0: because it does uncessary stat() for each dir. entry |
| 13:12.22 | timgoh0 | Ah. |
| 13:12.49 | liable | ls |wc -l |
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| 13:13.04 | \amethyst | ls is still going to sort by default |
| 13:13.55 | jelly | \amethyst: hm, if there's only so little files that glob expansion works, and my filenames don't contain whitespace, I might as well do |wc -w |
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| 13:14.09 | jelly | but I expect * not to work |
| 13:14.19 | wols | !tell code_ about errors |
| 13:14.20 | \amethyst | jelly: ah, that many :) |
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| 13:15.06 | jelly | \amethyst: I'm graphing the queue size for a mail-messing-agent |
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| 13:16.44 | Nyle | hu |
| 13:16.46 | Nyle | hi |
| 13:16.55 | wrkd | õóé |
| 13:17.06 | Nyle | akatuitguingo |
| 13:17.16 | wrkd | øî? ) |
| 13:17.46 | code_ | wols, !tell did not tell me anything :( |
| 13:17.54 | jelly | ls -U seems to be the best bet |
| 13:17.58 | code_ | dpkg: apt-get |
| 13:17.59 | dpkg | i heard apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
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| 13:18.27 | Nyle | !tell code_ -about dpkgbot |
| 13:18.50 | code_ | bot is broken :) |
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| 13:19.27 | liable | check for windows |
| 13:19.33 | liable | opened by the bot |
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| 13:20.16 | code_ | in irssi ? doubt it. |
| 13:20.24 | infinity0 | need some help getting encrypted LVM volume to boot... anyone? |
| 13:20.26 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 13:20.26 | dpkg | [dpkgbot] Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 13:20.30 | Nyle | code_: ^^ read |
| 13:20.38 | liable | code_: why wouldnt it open a new query window in irssi? |
| 13:20.52 | Nyle | liable: maybe he has use msg window on |
| 13:21.07 | Nyle | liable: one window for all msg or msg in active window and has to type /msg for everything |
| 13:21.11 | Nyle | highly ineffeciient but ok |
| 13:21.12 | cydork | jelly: tst=( * ); echo ${#tst[*]} ? :P |
| 13:21.41 | liable | Nyle: point, but it should still be there highlighted |
| 13:21.49 | Nyle | oh yeah |
| 13:21.53 | code_ | its default setting |
| 13:22.04 | Nyle | of course, but I was just asnwering your question :) |
| 13:22.37 | liable | fair enough :) |
| 13:22.58 | Nyle | I slept for 10 hours |
| 13:23.03 | Nyle | I feel lazy |
| 13:23.24 | Nyle | I setup my alarm clock to wake me at 7am, and I did, and I wanted to go jogging, but it was raining a lot |
| 13:23.27 | Nyle | :( |
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| 13:24.38 | jelly | cydork: the shell just ate 18M memory :-) |
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| 13:24.54 | Nyle | he |
| 13:25.02 | cydork | jelly: heh |
| 13:25.02 | Nyle | jely no home |
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| 13:26.14 | jelly | cydork: it's also twice as slow for a ext3 dir_index dir with around 80k files. |
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| 13:27.11 | cydork | jelly: blame ext3? |
| 13:28.02 | \amethyst | cydork: blame expanding the filenames into a single array, keeping them all in memory at once :) |
| 13:28.14 | cydork | \amethyst: shhh! |
| 13:28.20 | jelly | cydork: I won't blame it for /bin/sh's dumbness, though. :-) |
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| 13:28.35 | jelly | it calls brk() 164 times |
| 13:29.00 | \amethyst | only 164? It's been optimized :) |
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| 13:29.16 | jelly | ls -aU > sh -c 'foo=( * )' ! |
| 13:29.36 | \amethyst | jelly: I'd use -AU |
| 13:29.46 | jelly | what's -A |
| 13:29.52 | jelly | don't tell me! |
| 13:30.07 | jelly | ah. |
| 13:30.19 | jelly | one echo $(($n - 2)) saved :-) |
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| 13:31.12 | \amethyst | Posix doesn't have -A, and explicitly comments about the decision ("The small differences from -a did not seem important enough to require both.") |
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| 13:31.36 | nelf | I've a machine (etch) that was installed by an engineer on friday for some reason it detected the boot device as /dev/sdb, but once fully installed, failed to boot - had to manually change /boot/grub/menu.lst to make root=/dev/sda1 rather than /dev/sdb1 |
| 13:31.45 | abrotman | you let an engineer do it?! |
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| 13:32.02 | abrotman | nelf: what was the install media ? |
| 13:32.03 | nelf | Am I safe to change /boot/grub/device.map from /dev/sdb to /dev/sda |
| 13:32.18 | \amethyst | jelly: also, ls -q if you don't want embedded newlines messing things up |
| 13:32.19 | nelf | abrotman: A fool that I am yes.. latest stable net install (apparently) |
| 13:32.20 | abrotman | cast: so you're like .. a manager? |
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| 13:32.25 | \amethyst | jelly: since you don't care about the filenames |
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| 13:32.57 | solar_ant | hi all |
| 13:32.58 | solar_ant | i am on lenny |
| 13:32.58 | solar_ant | and tzconfig seems to be missing |
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| 13:33.10 | mick_work | morning everyone |
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| 13:33.30 | abrotman | nelf: if you run update-grub .. what happens ? |
| 13:33.30 | cast | abrotman: civil, student, finish in maybe 2 months |
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| 13:33.31 | abrotman | cast: LIES! |
| 13:33.31 | abrotman | !tzconfig |
| 13:33.31 | dpkg | [setting time] if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift corrections later. |
| 13:33.32 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 13:33.40 | cast | no lies. why do you think i'm so bad at IT D:. civil engineering gets as complicated computer wise as excel |
| 13:33.42 | mick_work | is there something like apt-bugs - but that goes to the security-tracker and looks to see how vulnerable it is? |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | solar_ant: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 13:34.03 | abrotman | mick_work: the DSA RSS feed? |
| 13:34.03 | nelf | abrotman: changes the root to /dev/sdb1 |
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| 13:34.11 | nelf | abrotman: in menu.1st |
| 13:34.12 | liable | !ping |
| 13:34.12 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:34.13 | mick_work | abrotman: kind of |
| 13:34.16 | abrotman | nelf: then i'd say to try to change the device.map |
| 13:34.19 | liable | stupid servers |
| 13:34.24 | abrotman | you're on them! |
| 13:34.25 | mick_work | abrotman: something that integrates w/ apt-get |
| 13:34.34 | nelf | abrotman: I can 'manage' that, I reckon |
| 13:34.37 | solar_ant | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 13:34.39 | abrotman | not that i know of .. apt-listbugs is the closest i could think of |
| 13:34.54 | abrotman | nelf: you'll need a keyboard expert also |
| 13:35.01 | jelly | \amethyst: my other OS doesn't have -U either... but it has ls -f which acts like ls -aU |
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| 13:35.08 | mick_work | abrotman: thanks. perhaps it is time for me to start coding :) |
| 13:35.09 | nelf | abrotman: I'll see if human resources has one of those |
| 13:35.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:35.26 | abrotman | mick_work: you could ask the debian-security mailing list |
| 13:35.33 | mick_work | will do |
| 13:35.37 | solar_ant | abrotman: still tzconfig is missing , it just helped me change the timezone . i want to be able to use the local timezone as the default system time |
| 13:35.55 | abrotman | solar_ant: IIRC .. tzconfig is gone now .. dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 13:37.56 | \amethyst | jelly: Posix ls has no way not to sort |
| 13:37.58 | infinity0 | what's the difference between "dmcrypt -y create" and "dmcrypt luksFormat"? |
| 13:38.14 | nelf | abrotman: I've changed /boot/grub/device.map to (hd0) /dev/sda, rerun update-grub and it still has root=/dev/sdb1 |
| 13:38.15 | infinity0 | s/dmcrypt/cryptsetup |
| 13:38.55 | abrotman | nelf: is it some sort of sw raid ? |
| 13:39.06 | nelf | No, it's hardware raid 1 |
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| 13:39.16 | solar_ant | abrotman: how can i ask my system to use the local time |
| 13:39.21 | solar_ant | and not UTC |
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| 13:39.26 | abrotman | !set time |
| 13:39.26 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 13:40.06 | abrotman | nelf: you could set the kopt line |
| 13:40.09 | loxley_ | hey guys, never thought of this myself, but in what order does rm -rf * remove files ? |
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| 13:40.22 | loxley_ | is it by create date or ? |
| 13:40.28 | \amethyst | loxley_: the order they appear in the directory |
| 13:40.36 | \amethyst | loxley_: which is more or less random |
| 13:40.48 | Cratos | How can I get su to do a pam_session_close on exit, my Kerberos tickets and AFS tokens are not being removed as openssh does using pam_krb5 and pam_openafs_session |
| 13:40.56 | loxley_ | damn,,,... i was trying to figure out which mp3 albums i lost :) |
| 13:40.59 | \amethyst | it has some correlation with create order, but that no longer holds is files are deleted and new files created |
| 13:41.01 | solar_ant | abrotman: i have done all that |
| 13:41.04 | loxley_ | before i made control + c |
| 13:41.07 | loxley_ | :) |
| 13:41.10 | abrotman | solar_ant: you did it wrong :) |
| 13:41.18 | solar_ant | but still it uses the utc time and not the local time |
| 13:41.19 | solar_ant | lol |
| 13:41.20 | mick_work | infinity0: "create" creates the mapping while luksFormat initializes it |
| 13:41.20 | solar_ant | will check |
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| 13:41.49 | loxley_ | \amethyst: according to amarok i lost 100 songs :/ |
| 13:42.13 | infinity0 | mick_work: right i see, so what's the difference between a partition which is luksformatted and one which isn't? |
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| 13:42.14 | \amethyst | loxley_: why were you doing rm -rf * anyway? |
| 13:42.17 | nelf | abrotman: if that don't work - I got trouble as that machine is in a data center |
| 13:42.25 | \code\ | i am really getting confused by something that i am reading all around it should work, and does not : |
| 13:42.28 | \code\ | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=13878&sid=0b83fcca35ad8dcde3334ce370471746 |
| 13:42.34 | loxley_ | \amethyst: i'm afraid its work related, too damn tired... |
| 13:42.34 | solar_ant | abrotman: thanks , yeah silly me ! |
| 13:42.45 | abrotman | nelf: you'd need to call the union guys to get someone in there |
| 13:42.58 | Flimzy | I have a cluster of half a dozen mail servers, but the DNS server serving them is becoming overloaded. The system load on the DNS server is 0.00 typically, but it freqently times out, causing me to think the DNS server software I'm using (dnsmasq) isn't up to par. We need to serve probably 6 million (maybe more) DNS queries per day. Can anyone suggest a good DNS caching server for this type of load? |
| 13:43.08 | loxley_ | \amethyst: it was long ago since i shot myself in the foot like that.. |
| 13:43.09 | mick_work | infinity0: one is encrypted, one is not |
| 13:43.13 | \amethyst | Flimzy: bind |
| 13:43.16 | \amethyst | Flimzy: bind9 rather |
| 13:43.17 | abrotman | Flimzy: bind |
| 13:43.25 | abrotman | does bind8 still exist in etch ? |
| 13:43.32 | Flimzy | Is bind the most efficient? |
| 13:43.43 | Flimzy | I can use bind; I actually have the most experience with bind. |
| 13:43.44 | Nyle | djbdns i use |
| 13:43.48 | Nyle | not in debian afaik |
| 13:43.49 | \amethyst | abrotman: yes it does, and there's a recent vulnerability |
| 13:43.49 | abrotman | and it can cache |
| 13:43.50 | Flimzy | Nyle: djb can bite me :P |
| 13:43.54 | Nyle | hehe |
| 13:43.54 | abrotman | \amethyst: ewww |
| 13:43.57 | Flimzy | Nle: djb is non-free |
| 13:44.01 | Cratos | Bind is often used as root DNS server |
| 13:44.02 | abrotman | never ever use djb crap .. |
| 13:44.15 | abrotman | djb is a crack monkey .. and so are his followers |
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| 13:44.37 | infinity0 | mick_work: well create asks for a encryption key so i would've thought that encrypts it as well |
| 13:44.39 | mashuuk | Hi |
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| 13:44.43 | Flimzy | We already use qmail and supervise. And every day I have to fix one of them, I wish I could shove djb off a tall building. |
| 13:44.51 | infinity0 | mick_work: i thought LUKS was just another method, i was wondering what the difference is |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | Flimzy: you're a crack monkey too! |
| 13:45.03 | mashuuk | With new kernel I can access my camera. it has rights root.root |
| 13:45.05 | mashuuk | any help ? |
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| 13:45.10 | Flimzy | abrotman: *I* didn't chose to install those apps :P |
| 13:45.15 | abrotman | Flimzy: heh |
| 13:45.19 | \amethyst | Flimzy: make sure you use the bind9 package, *not* bind |
| 13:45.25 | Flimzy | \amethyst: aye |
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| 13:45.54 | mick_work | infinity0: create does the mapping in /dev/mapper -- it needs the encryption key to set that up |
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| 13:46.09 | infinity0 | oh right i see |
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| 13:46.47 | themill | \code\: those are pretty ancient instructions. I'm doubt they work with etch or newer. |
| 13:46.49 | mick_work | infinity0: while the LUKS extension initializes a LUKS partition and set the initial key, either via prompting or via a key file |
| 13:46.59 | mick_work | i know i'm kind of repeating myself |
| 13:47.23 | abrotman | nelf: any luck ? |
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| 13:47.45 | abrotman | !tell \code\ about nvidia one-liner |
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| 13:47.57 | mick_work | infinity0: have you gotten encrypted usb drives to popup and ask you automatically for a pw, w/o the need to mount on the commandline? |
| 13:48.14 | infinity0 | mick_work: so basically LUKS is automatic but for non-LUKS you have to do cryptsetup -y create each time |
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| 13:48.31 | infinity0 | mick_work: i was trying to get my ext hard drive to automatically mount on boot |
| 13:48.36 | infinity0 | the installer used LUKS |
| 13:48.46 | Flimzy | Why does installing bind9 and removing bind *not* remove /etc/init.d/bind? |
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| 13:49.02 | infinity0 | but know nothing about gnu/linux and so when i changed the encryption i used create instead of luksFormat |
| 13:49.08 | keith4_ | the nvidia one-liner tells people to use legacy for geforce 2... isn't the MX still supported in the non-legacy? |
| 13:49.34 | abrotman | don't think so |
| 13:49.45 | mick_work | infinity0: i've only done an install (from scratch) w/ it being encrypted automatically (in the installer it is an option) |
| 13:50.05 | keith4_ | i think i have a junker hooked up to the TV that uses a geforce 2 mx |
| 13:51.02 | infinity0 | mick_work: yeah i did that, then i wanted to change it and so i found these various tutorials on the net which mentioned using cryptsetup to create an encrypted partition. they must be out of date or smoething cos they don't mention LUKS at all, and i luckily noticed the error message "/blah is not a LUKS partition" when the booting failed |
| 13:51.19 | infinity0 | and a bit more searching led me to luksFormat ¬.¬ |
| 13:52.07 | mick_work | infinity0: you should just need to edit /etc/crypttab w/ yourdata /dev/sda8 none cipher=aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 and /etc/fstab w/ /dev/mapper/yourdata /data ext3 defaults,user 0 0 |
| 13:52.10 | Cratos | How can I see how many free inotify handles are free? |
| 13:52.31 | Fox_1_ | people does anyone have debian logo as favicon.ico |
| 13:52.32 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 13:53.27 | mick_work | infinity0: as a tip, work from a wiped/cleared drive - then encrypt the whole thing -- then put whatever you need on there (if security is a concern) |
| 13:53.36 | infinity0 | mick_work: oh, probably, i just copied and pasted the line reading "device1_crypt /dev/device1 none luks" and changed it to fit my hard drive, which now that i think of it obviously won't work for a non-luks partition :p |
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| 13:53.45 | mick_work | you can't have a full ext3 hdd and then want to make it encrypted |
| 13:53.58 | beardy | Fox_1_: Ehm.. debian.org.. |
| 13:53.58 | infinity0 | mick_work: i can format the none-encrypted space though can't i? |
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| 13:54.32 | Fox_1_ | beardy, oh, you right :) thanks |
| 13:55.07 | Oyama | i'm planning to build a wifi access point, can anybody give me advices on what card i should use? need to be a pci one |
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| 13:57.37 | mick_work | infinity0: i've never heard of that to be honest |
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| 13:58.50 | mick_work | would you do dual boot? or if you want to open an encrypted partition from a non-encrypted drive -- then you will have it saving to non-encrypted swap space and to the journal |
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| 13:59.00 | mick_work | so it will not be secure by any means |
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| 13:59.12 | Zmanu | hello |
| 13:59.13 | infinity0 | mick_work: both my hard drive and my external drive are encrypted |
| 13:59.19 | mick_work | ah ok |
| 13:59.26 | Zmanu | is iceweasel is able to work with Xforms ? |
| 13:59.28 | infinity0 | mick_work: except i have an unecrypted fat32 and ntfs drive on my ext drive for windows |
| 13:59.39 | infinity0 | partition not drive sorry |
| 14:00.04 | abrotman | Zmanu: isn't that an XML thing ? |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | does FF work with it ? |
| 14:00.08 | mick_work | infinity0: look at http://www.truecrypt.org/ |
| 14:00.08 | Zmanu | yes |
| 14:00.19 | abrotman | if FF works .. IW should too |
| 14:00.31 | infinity0 | mick_work: ahhh ok cheers :) |
| 14:00.39 | mick_work | that does windows too (so you can read / write cross platform) |
| 14:00.46 | mick_work | and have it encrypted |
| 14:00.52 | Zmanu | i try some examples find on web and i got false result |
| 14:01.10 | mick_work | infinity0: and it might be easier for your setup |
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| 14:01.49 | infinity0 | right, i'll see |
| 14:02.10 | mick_work | not to mention, i like the fact that it has some cool features :) |
| 14:02.51 | gentgeen__ | I can't seem to find how to make "date" so as YYYY-MM-DD<SPACE>HH:MM:SS |
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| 14:03.07 | gentgeen__ | the space is what keeps messing me up, and google is showing nothing, and I don't see it in man |
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| 14:03.48 | infinity0 | mick_work: lol yeah :p but how can it work for windows? with gnu/linux you can have a separate unencrypted boot aprtition but i didn't know windows had anything like that :/ |
| 14:04.12 | mick_work | http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=tutorial |
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| 14:05.00 | infinity0 | mick_work: hehe, cheers |
| 14:05.13 | abrotman | gentgeen__: what command are you trying ? |
| 14:05.13 | mick_work | infinity0: good luck |
| 14:05.23 | infinity0 | ty and thanks again :) |
| 14:05.25 | themill | gentgeen__: bash quoting rules... you need to join the two halves of the command together |
| 14:05.25 | gentgeen__ | date |
| 14:05.35 | themill | gentgeen__: date "+%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:" |
| 14:05.38 | abrotman | gentgeen__: i meant the format :) |
| 14:05.50 | mick_work | infinity0: and if you figure out how to autoprompt for a pw w/ encrypted usb drives - let me know ;) (i tried cryptmount and autousb) |
| 14:06.18 | mick_work | infinity0: i know the ubuntu guys have it working -- but the users in #ubuntu are 99% idiots |
| 14:06.23 | infinity0 | lol |
| 14:06.33 | infinity0 | i'm pretty sure GNOME autoprompts for passwords for LUKS volumes |
| 14:06.45 | mick_work | ah! then it is a gnome thing |
| 14:06.47 | mick_work | that makes sense |
| 14:06.48 | infinity0 | mick_work: http://johnleach.co.uk/words/archives/2006/12/06/245/ scroll down to "USB keys and other removable devices" |
| 14:06.56 | mick_work | thanks |
| 14:07.01 | mick_work | that makes a lot of sense |
| 14:07.03 | infinity0 | np |
| 14:07.09 | infinity0 | oh it's the HAL daemon it says |
| 14:07.11 | mick_work | since i tried it in kde and my friend was using gnome |
| 14:07.31 | infinity0 | ahh |
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| 14:07.55 | wols | cast: if I can choose between flash or wmp, I choose flash any day... |
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| 14:08.23 | mick_work | infinity0: i know how to open it from the commandline ;) -- i wanted it to just prompt |
| 14:08.41 | mick_work | refering to "USB keys and other removable devices" |
| 14:08.58 | mick_work | i'll try in gnome when i get home |
| 14:09.16 | infinity0 | k, i thought it implied it was auto cos step 4 says "Now just eject/unplug the device then reinsert it and you’ll be asked for the password!" |
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| 14:09.25 | gentgeen__ | was missing the quotes.. thx |
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| 14:10.03 | mick_work | infinity0: good luck w/ everything |
| 14:10.12 | infinity0 | thanks |
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| 14:10.41 | Flimzy | okay, bind9 is configured and running. Initial results look far better than dnsmasq. I'll watch it for a few days. |
| 14:10.48 | nahirean | hello folks, can someone lend me a hand? what's the debian equivilant of a system-config-display to configure x? |
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| 14:11.26 | wols | !tell nahirean about drxx |
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| 14:12.02 | techbee | !drxx |
| 14:12.02 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 14:16.39 | Nyle | ok |
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| 14:21.45 | hochimoo | !learn |
| 14:21.45 | dpkg | somebody said learn was the opposite of not learn, or something you do every day, apparently. |
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| 14:22.13 | hochimoo | hmm, how do I train dpkg naughty words? |
| 14:22.26 | hochimoo | !teach |
| 14:22.26 | dpkg | give a man a fish and he eats for a night. teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. |
| 14:22.28 | themill | hochimoo: you don't... |
| 14:22.57 | harpal | I am trying to install pidgin and I got error No package 'gtk+-2.0' found what packet I needed? |
| 14:22.59 | jetscreamer | you do and we call the dea |
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| 14:23.26 | hochimoo | okay, not naughty words, nice words about debian related issues :) |
| 14:23.37 | themill | !mess with hochimoo |
| 14:23.49 | hochimoo | !beer me |
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| 14:23.54 | jetscreamer | only authorized persons can teach dpkg |
| 14:23.58 | hochimoo | see, its on my side |
| 14:24.11 | hochimoo | oh, thought it was a free for all |
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| 14:24.49 | hochimoo | who has authorization? |
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| 14:25.05 | jetscreamer | the owner and his close friends |
| 14:25.30 | wols | !tell harpal about search |
| 14:25.37 | jetscreamer | and other |
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| 14:25.53 | jetscreamer | you can do your own bot |
| 14:25.54 | wols | harpal: but first look into backports |
| 14:26.21 | blinx | anyone has experiences with cups/pykota? I have 3 workstations (xp) which should have access to one printer. The printed pages should be counted by user. At the end of a year I want a total. |
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| 14:27.11 | themill | hochimoo: ideas or updates for factoids are quite welcome -- suggest them here and they can be discussed and implemented. |
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| 14:28.27 | zmitya | hi all |
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| 14:28.37 | zmitya | can I run init within a chroot jail ? |
| 14:28.40 | harpal | wols: thanx a lot |
| 14:28.52 | zmitya | it says: init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
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| 14:29.15 | gnat_x | i am trying to take a hard drive that already had etch on it, and put it in a new machine. the machine boots fine, most hardware is fine. not suprisingly, X won't start. so i tried "dpkg-reconfigure xsession-xorg" a few times and that has failed to come up with a working conf, what should i try next. |
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| 14:29.48 | jetscreamer | try lspci et al and do the xorg.conf correctly |
| 14:29.49 | themill | gnat_x: I presume you mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:29.58 | jetscreamer | ah good catch |
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| 14:30.17 | gnat_x | themill: yes |
| 14:30.24 | themill | jetscreamer: then keep both hands above the desk where we can see them.... |
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| 14:30.49 | jetscreamer | they're on the keyboard.... |
| 14:30.53 | themill | :) |
| 14:31.20 | themill | gnat_x: try pasting lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to see what driver is recommended for your graphics card |
| 14:31.45 | nahirean | thanks all, have a good one |
| 14:32.19 | jetscreamer | whoa cool |
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| 14:32.53 | gnat_x | themill: ok. |
| 14:32.57 | themill | jetscreamer: the hcl list? |
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| 14:34.39 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 14:35.22 | themill | it's nice. only complaint is that it doesn't "pastebin" the results so people can post a link to their results for us.... but it's very nice. |
| 14:35.34 | Flimzy | zmitya: You cannot "properly" run init in a chroot, because it won't have PID 1. |
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| 14:35.55 | Flimzy | zmitya: Depending on your exact needs, you may be able to fool things enough to make it work for your purposes, though. |
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| 14:36.16 | themill | gnat_x: that will tell you about any kernel modules that help your graphics chip; it won't tell you what X driver to use though, but it's a good start. |
| 14:36.19 | padd173 | I changed NIC card on my debian 4 machine (to 3Com 3C905) and it doesn't get recognized on boot. What can I write to have it recognized? |
| 14:36.22 | Flimzy | zmitya: If you need to run init "properly", you'll need a VM setup probably; Xen or vmware or somesuch. |
| 14:36.30 | padd173 | dmesg doesn't contain the string "eth" |
| 14:36.41 | zmitya | Flimzy: thx |
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| 14:36.49 | wols | padd173: use the proper driver? |
| 14:36.49 | padd173 | Is recompiling the kernel the only way? |
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| 14:36.56 | zmitya | Flimzy: I would like to run daemontools in a jail somehow |
| 14:36.57 | wols | padd173: no |
| 14:36.59 | liable | padd173: ifconfig -a |
| 14:37.05 | themill | padd173: recompiling the kernel is unlikely to help at all. |
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| 14:37.18 | padd173 | wols: how then? |
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| 14:37.24 | Flimzy | padd173: Edit /dev/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 14:37.29 | gnat_x | themill: I have an xorg.conf that i copied out while booted using an ubuntu disk, so i have some working x configs that i can use. |
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| 14:37.32 | themill | Flimzy: not yet.... |
| 14:37.36 | Flimzy | padd173: It memorized the MAC of your old NIC, and probably called your new one eth1 |
| 14:37.39 | padd173 | liable: i'm on another computer - ifonconfig -a, and then what? |
| 14:37.42 | Flimzy | the-me: huh? |
| 14:37.47 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i net |
| 14:38.03 | liable | padd173: tell us if theres a eth iface |
| 14:38.07 | Flimzy | padd173: Just remove the line with your old NIC's mac, and reboot. that's the easiest way. |
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| 14:38.30 | themill | Flimzy: if ethX isn't listed in dmesg then the module hasn't been loaded so there's nothing to load into z25. And new nics are automatically added to z25 anyway. |
| 14:39.00 | padd173 | ok - just a second - i'm going to my debian machine |
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| 14:39.09 | Flimzy | themill: yes, they're automatically added... with a different device name that probably isn't configured in /etc/network/interfaces, and thus as good as not there. |
| 14:39.24 | Flimzy | padd173: Are you using the default Debian kernel, or a custom one? |
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| 14:40.05 | wols | padd173: start with a lspci |
| 14:40.14 | Nyle | hey guys, what is the default port for x11vnc |
| 14:40.22 | wols | 3com made a shitload of different NIDs with 3c90x names. often the same ones |
| 14:40.24 | themill | Flimzy: true, but dmesg should still contain a message from the driver module being loaded. |
| 14:40.27 | Nyle | vncserver uses 5900 |
| 14:40.34 | Flimzy | themill: yes, that it should. |
| 14:40.35 | wols | Nyle: same |
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| 14:41.01 | Nyle | wols: I need to change it, because 5900 is already forward on the router to my laptop, which is an actual vncserver, as it is a headless server. |
| 14:41.02 | jetscreamer | hey nyle i missed all those pm's |
| 14:41.05 | padd173 | flimzy: default kernel |
| 14:41.09 | jetscreamer | the other day |
| 14:41.16 | padd173 | wols: i'll do lspci in 1 minute |
| 14:41.23 | jetscreamer | lspci |grep -i net |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | you hsould have pm'ed him to tell him you missed the pm's :) |
| 14:41.26 | Flimzy | padd173: then it *should* support your nic. :/ |
| 14:41.27 | Nyle | wols: I want x11vnc to run on desktop so I can access my already running desktop from work, but I need to change its port |
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| 14:41.35 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i forgot :) |
| 14:41.41 | jetscreamer | abrotman: but i thought you were going to pm him... :) |
| 14:41.41 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i don't log either |
| 14:41.48 | AnisOne | I have a problem with ktorrent. I know it's running but i cant see the gui at all. Please where i can get a answer what to do to reshow the gui |
| 14:41.49 | padd173 | to all: ifconfig -a didn't show eth1, it showed only local and sit1 |
| 14:41.49 | liable | padd173: did it show in ifconfig -a? |
| 14:41.53 | jetscreamer | i turned my logs off... i never read em |
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| 14:41.59 | Nyle | heh |
| 14:42.00 | wols | Nyle: x11vnc --help |
| 14:42.02 | liable | sounds ominous |
| 14:42.04 | padd173 | liable: sit1 |
| 14:42.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: uhm .. i can't ? |
| 14:42.07 | Nyle | wols: oh duh |
| 14:42.09 | Nyle | heh, thanks |
| 14:42.18 | Nyle | hopefully as simple as rfbport |
| 14:42.30 | padd173 | I'll do lspci now |
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| 14:42.40 | Nyle | wols: yup, thats it, -rfbport |
| 14:42.49 | Nyle | wow, I just experienced a massive brain fart |
| 14:42.59 | jetscreamer | AnisOne: alt + tab doesn't work? how about one of those window list applets kde & gnome like to load |
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| 14:44.26 | jetscreamer | guess it was a very large lspci... |
| 14:44.41 | themill | :) |
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| 14:45.05 | themill | 3c59x is the right module for that card, isn't it? |
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| 14:45.38 | liable | which card? |
| 14:45.41 | AnisOne | jetscreamer I added a window selector and it dosen't there. alt + tab didn't help |
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| 14:46.04 | themill | liable: he said it was a 3Com 3C905 |
| 14:46.07 | kazim59 | On a debian installation, how do I setup that all normal users are able to access (read/write) to the pen drives they connect? |
| 14:46.12 | liable | themill: oh |
| 14:46.15 | fastputty | is there a way to send SMS message trough debian? |
| 14:46.44 | jetscreamer | AnisOne: no idea then. you have a ktorrent in top though eh. maybe that's the backend and the frontend crashed... just a guess. |
| 14:47.00 | jetscreamer | !tell kazim59 -about rwvfat |
| 14:47.02 | themill | fastputty: do you have the hardware to do it, or do you want to use a provider on the internet to send it? |
| 14:47.11 | AnisOne | fastputty: try to look for program called smser |
| 14:47.16 | fastputty | themills: provider.. |
| 14:47.18 | patrick-- | anyone fermilliar with nagios? |
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| 14:47.36 | themill | fastputty: then wengopohone is one option |
| 14:47.52 | AnisOne | jetscreamer: where i can get more information about it? how do i find where it crashes ? |
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| 14:48.19 | AnisOne | patrick: no i'll google it |
| 14:48.27 | fastputty | themill: is there anyfree sms sender provider? |
| 14:48.29 | jetscreamer | AnisOne: i think all the cool kida are using rtorrent if that helps... even though it doesn't. |
| 14:48.29 | kazim59 | jetscreamer: I am talking about all the users (there are about 60 users 05css01 to 05css60)..... and accesss to any drive (/dev/sdb or /dev/sdc or /dev/sdb5 etc..) |
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| 14:48.43 | kazim59 | jetscreamer: does that mean adding every possible entry to fstab? |
| 14:48.50 | jetscreamer | use the group luke.. or kazim59 |
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| 14:49.05 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 14:49.25 | jetscreamer | i don't know beyond me kazim59 my userbase isn't like that |
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| 14:50.27 | jetscreamer | gnome does it though eh |
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| 14:50.56 | kazim59 | jetscreamer: in the users-admin settings manager, for every user in privileges tab, we've an option that says "Access to external storage devices automatically" |
| 14:51.27 | kazim59 | jetscreamer: I want to set this setting for all the 60 users... through some shell script, maybe.. (only if I know what change to make) |
| 14:51.39 | zmitya | patrick--: ask, we'll see |
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| 14:52.43 | patrick-- | got it already |
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| 14:53.26 | themill | fastputty: not that I know of. I doubt it... sending sms costs money ;) |
| 14:53.49 | fastputty | sending sms cost money? |
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| 14:53.54 | fastputty | i thoguht only recieve cost money |
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| 14:54.21 | padd173 | Thanks all: I replaced my card with another similar one, found it as eth1 and configured. Now everything works. Thanks. |
| 14:54.23 | cast | costs money in au/nz/se |
| 14:54.26 | cast | [to send] |
| 14:54.31 | themill | fastputty: not on any network I've used.... usually sending costs and receiving is free. Where are you? |
| 14:54.42 | fastputty | i am from canada |
| 14:54.49 | fastputty | but if i send torugh internet how can they know me |
| 14:55.03 | fastputty | normally it cost me money when i recieve a sms from msn for example |
| 14:55.09 | themill | fastputty: ahhh... everything's weird over in north america... |
| 14:55.20 | abrotman | like our food has flavor! |
| 14:55.21 | fastputty | msn provide a sms sender trough msn |
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| 14:55.38 | fastputty | it cost me 10 cent evrytime i got a message from msn |
| 14:55.48 | abrotman | fastputty: ask them .. not us |
| 14:55.51 | cast | bungho system to bill the receiver if you ask me |
| 14:55.56 | themill | abrotman: salt, trans-fats and cinnamon != flavour... |
| 14:56.01 | jetscreamer | ah gahd my nose! |
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| 14:56.07 | abrotman | themill: you know nothing about our food .. nice try though :) |
| 14:56.21 | themill | abrotman: I've experienced it more than enough times |
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| 14:56.33 | jetscreamer | kazim59 no idea dude :/ |
| 14:56.37 | abrotman | and actually .. i don't like salt at all really |
| 14:56.40 | themill | abrotman: oh, and I forgot sugar ;) |
| 14:56.50 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to get ssh to look at both the host and port when verifying keys? i have one box that is doing NAT and one port is forwarded to a box behind it. |
| 14:56.51 | abrotman | themill: sugar? for what? |
| 14:56.52 | liable | dont mention the beer either |
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| 14:57.02 | jetscreamer | cinnamon toast |
| 14:57.02 | themill | liable: ugh! |
| 14:57.04 | abrotman | liable: says the guy from the land famous for Fosters :) |
| 14:57.09 | SerajewelKS | i'd like ssh to not throw a fit that the two servers have the same ip. |
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| 14:58.03 | themill | abrotman: Fosters is Australia's joke on the world. We piss in bottles and export it and idiots around the world buy it.... |
| 14:58.05 | snowbird | liable needs diapers |
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| 14:58.32 | jetscreamer | yeah guess budweiser is too expensive to import eh |
| 14:58.38 | snowbird | piss in bottle os ausie limanaide |
| 14:58.39 | abrotman | themill: you're not in .au |
| 14:58.46 | abrotman | oh shit .. we woke him up |
| 14:59.08 | themill | abrotman: no, I'm here as the .uk representative for fosters... I piss in bottles over here and save on the shipping costs. |
| 14:59.19 | snowbird | lol |
| 14:59.20 | liable | heh |
| 14:59.24 | Nyle | man |
| 14:59.24 | themill | abrotman: (but born and bred Aussie.) |
| 14:59.30 | Nyle | this joystick is giving me shit |
| 14:59.36 | abrotman | themill: luckily for me .. i drink good beer .. i've never had fosters (that i can recall) |
| 14:59.44 | snowbird | iam pissed of power supply went smoke poof |
| 14:59.45 | liable | neither have i :) |
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| 14:59.48 | Nyle | I have a Gravis Gamepad Pro USB and I Can't get it to work |
| 14:59.53 | Nyle | snowbird: hehe |
| 14:59.54 | xdr | foster isn't beer :) |
| 14:59.54 | Nyle | damn |
| 14:59.55 | themill | abrotman: keep it that way. |
| 15:00.01 | Nyle | snowbird: just hope it didn't take your other components with it |
| 15:00.02 | abrotman | snowbird: apparently you inhaled eh ? |
| 15:00.05 | xdr | that's whater + alcohol |
| 15:00.06 | AnisOne | fastputty: http://smser.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:00.09 | jetscreamer | the udev rule put joysticks in /dev/input, some programs do not like that (quake) |
| 15:00.22 | snowbird | i think just bios wont see hd rest seems aok |
| 15:00.28 | snowbird | looking around for intell |
| 15:00.30 | jetscreamer | i used to have to edit that rule |
| 15:00.40 | Nyle | oh whops |
| 15:00.43 | grendal_prime | anyone know of a codec package for windows..so that i can watch the movies i created on my linux box on the windows box as well..? |
| 15:00.43 | Nyle | sorry wrong channel |
| 15:00.51 | Nyle | jetscreamer: I forgot, I installed ubuntu. |
| 15:00.56 | abrotman | grendal_prime: which format ? |
| 15:00.58 | Nyle | go ahead, yell at me, I deserve it |
| 15:01.00 | xdr | grendal_prime: in wich format? |
| 15:01.07 | grendal_prime | abrotman: its an avi.. |
| 15:01.08 | harpal | how can I directly convert tar.bz2 to tar.gz? |
| 15:01.09 | snowbird | no abortman no i dont smoke fire man did inhale |
| 15:01.10 | grendal_prime | hold on a sec |
| 15:01.18 | jetscreamer | xvid |
| 15:01.19 | fastputty | AnisOne: is there a way to send with msn?< |
| 15:01.23 | abrotman | grendal_prime: avi is a container |
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| 15:01.28 | fastputty | AnisOne: this is fr icq right? |
| 15:01.43 | jetscreamer | but .avi's don't hold much variety |
| 15:01.44 | cast | harpal: bzcat *tar.bz2|gzip > tar.gz or something similar |
| 15:01.48 | abrotman | harpal: bunzip2 blah.tar.bz2 | tar -cf blah.tar.gz - |
| 15:01.52 | abrotman | roughly |
| 15:01.57 | themill | grendal_prime: you can stick all sorts of things into an avi. xvid codecs are available for both linux and windoze |
| 15:01.58 | abrotman | erm .. wrong! |
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| 15:02.07 | abrotman | cast got it :) |
| 15:02.16 | abrotman | yeah ... i see |
| 15:02.21 | grendal_prime | ya..its an avi but...lavc is what its encoded with |
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| 15:02.42 | grendal_prime | ill find it.. |
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| 15:03.25 | cast | lavc encodes to lots of things |
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| 15:03.48 | cast | grendal_prime: just grab mplayer/vlc, wmp sucks. |
| 15:03.48 | harpal | thanx a lot |
| 15:03.49 | Nyle | !downgrade |
| 15:03.49 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:03.56 | jetscreamer | http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/video-codecs.html |
| 15:04.10 | jetscreamer | oh yeah mplayer for windows btw |
| 15:04.19 | jetscreamer | aka what cast said |
| 15:04.20 | grendal_prime | the problem is they want to run it on a windows ...really...hmm |
| 15:04.32 | jetscreamer | probably xvid is what you need though |
| 15:04.44 | jetscreamer | and the mplayer for windows comes with codecs iirc |
| 15:04.59 | jetscreamer | xviddivx |
| 15:05.00 | cast | mplayers not hard to use on windows, just drag and drop on the .exe. |
| 15:05.15 | themill | you can ram xvid codecs up wmp if you want... |
| 15:05.18 | jetscreamer | association works now, i doubleclick |
| 15:05.25 | abrotman | grendal_prime: use theora ? |
| 15:05.42 | cast | i had a bit of a fight trying to explain that to someone once, told them to extract the zip, the drag and drop the .ogv onto the .exe...they kept saying they did and lala, turned out they had just opened it in winrar but not extracted it :< |
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| 15:06.56 | jetscreamer | hey look it's ab rot man's brother .. abs in the syringe |
| 15:07.01 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 15:07.34 | Nyle | you mean ab rot woman? |
| 15:07.54 | Nyle | abortman |
| 15:08.00 | Nyle | the funniest one I heard was boratman |
| 15:08.01 | jetscreamer | no comment for the ignoring |
| 15:08.15 | Hammar | mind the ego |
| 15:08.21 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 15:08.40 | jetscreamer | the no comment wasn't for you |
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| 15:08.48 | Nyle | jetscreamer: who are you talking to? |
| 15:08.50 | jetscreamer | just the funny brother quip |
| 15:09.12 | jetscreamer | why don't you clear your ignore list and find out |
| 15:09.15 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 15:09.20 | Nyle | no thanks |
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| 15:09.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer: try to use prepend nickname |
| 15:10.29 | Nyle | well, time to go to work |
| 15:11.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: because the channel suffers from interaction with him |
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| 15:11.26 | jetscreamer | i refuse to talk to either of you about either of you while those ignores are on :) |
| 15:11.28 | lambda | hello |
| 15:11.34 | abrotman | jetscreamer: good |
| 15:12.02 | jetscreamer | so both of you quit typing :) |
| 15:12.05 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yeh... not only abrotman is ignore, but any line containing regex *abrotman* is also ignored. |
| 15:12.11 | lambda | a wget http://spamassassin.apache.org/updates/MIRRORED.BY always return : |
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| 15:12.15 | lambda | http: request failed, retrying: 500 Can't connect to spamassassin.apache.org:80 (connect: timeout): |
| 15:12.22 | lambda | how fixing this please ? |
| 15:12.26 | abrotman | lambda: can you telnet to the port ? |
| 15:12.54 | Nyle | I don't want to see him, and I also dont' want to see anyone adressing him. |
| 15:13.06 | Nyle | it works out perfectly actually |
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| 15:13.16 | Nyle | i have to be at work in 45 min |
| 15:13.18 | Nyle | :D |
| 15:13.20 | jetscreamer | cept the ignorance is bliss thing |
| 15:13.25 | jetscreamer | don't be late :) |
| 15:13.25 | Nyle | it is bliss |
| 15:13.29 | Nyle | selective ignorance |
| 15:13.31 | lambda | abrotman: no telnet: could not resolve http://spamassassin.apache.org//80: Name or service not known |
| 15:13.32 | Nyle | hehe, I won't be |
| 15:13.55 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 15:13.58 | abrotman | lambda: telnet hostname port# |
| 15:14.08 | jetscreamer | org//80 ? |
| 15:14.08 | Nyle | hu |
| 15:14.09 | abrotman | lambda: telnet spamassassin.apache.org 80 |
| 15:14.16 | cast | abrotman: careful, that looks like hacking. i'm going to have to report you |
| 15:14.20 | jelly | is there a way to get java applets work on amd64? |
| 15:14.26 | abrotman | cast: go ahead |
| 15:14.33 | abrotman | jelly: use the sun jre for amd64? |
| 15:14.35 | Nyle | jetscreamer: ia32libs? |
| 15:14.41 | Nyle | no wrong nick |
| 15:14.45 | Nyle | jelly: or a 32bit chroot maybe |
| 15:14.58 | Nyle | jelly: java does work in 64bit you know |
| 15:14.58 | jelly | abrotman: I've installed sun-java6-jdk, but there's no -plugin package |
| 15:15.20 | abrotman | in sid you mean? |
| 15:15.27 | jelly | sid or lenny |
| 15:15.27 | lambda | abrotman: Trying 140.211.11.130... the shell is pending ... |
| 15:15.32 | abrotman | i think you still have to use the java5-plugin |
| 15:15.32 | Nyle | as for applets on websites like you know browser plugin stuff, not in 64 |
| 15:15.45 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 15:15.50 | lambda | no discard message yet |
| 15:15.51 | jetscreamer | that's funny |
| 15:15.57 | Nyle | jetscreamer: you're funny |
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| 15:16.11 | jetscreamer | the both of them trying to help jelly and not knowing what the other is typing |
| 15:16.21 | themill | abrotman, jelly: 5- is also only i386 |
| 15:16.53 | jelly | oh well, so much for trying to use amd64 as a desktop |
| 15:17.06 | Nyle | I do |
| 15:17.11 | Nyle | just run a 32bit chroot |
| 15:17.19 | jetscreamer | nobody 'needs' java |
| 15:17.23 | Nyle | or actually it is much easier to just run firefox with ia32libs |
| 15:17.33 | themill | jetscreamer: that's not entirely true.... |
| 15:17.41 | Nyle | that way you can have a 32bit firefox with 32bit plugins and it will work fine |
| 15:17.41 | lambda | hum telnet attempt failed |
| 15:17.44 | jelly | jetscreamer: people who admin systems that have applet uis do. |
| 15:18.02 | jetscreamer | themill: i was able to get away w/o java for a while... i finally caved in though |
| 15:18.07 | lambda | what's wrong ? ip blackisted ? my other host are reponding |
| 15:18.13 | Nyle | EYS! |
| 15:18.20 | jetscreamer | yeh i have a java need like that |
| 15:18.30 | Nyle | I got every single snes rom and emulator and my joypad works! |
| 15:18.40 | Nyle | yippee |
| 15:18.45 | abrotman | lambda: firewall ? |
| 15:18.46 | Nyle | ok now im going to work |
| 15:18.48 | Nyle | see ya |
| 15:18.51 | themill | jetscreamer: I regularly use work-related things that are written in java. It's not just for dicky games on the web any more. |
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| 15:19.11 | lambda | no firewall |
| 15:19.36 | harpal | I have upgraded debian 3.1 to 4.0. I have resolution 1024*768 but my screen is still big and when I move mouse to direction than my screen also moves like a scrollbar |
| 15:19.53 | jetscreamer | no i didn't mean game... my webhost has a java chat interface i need to use sometimes |
| 15:20.01 | themill | harpal: ahhh the virtual desktop experience... haven't seen that since i used to use fvwm ;) |
| 15:20.30 | lastnode_ | harpal, you probably have the wrong resolution set in xorg.conf, I used to get that when I had it set wrong. |
| 15:20.37 | themill | jetscreamer: we had accounting and purchasing software in java through a web interface. horrible thing. |
| 15:20.49 | jelly | heh... VBox status code: -1819 (VERR_SSM_LOADED_TOO_MUCH). ... don't load too much then, stupid app! |
| 15:21.19 | jetscreamer | hwinfo |
| 15:21.39 | lambda | no idea ? |
| 15:21.47 | harpal | how to set it because I am setting resolution using that Screen Resolution Preferences |
| 15:21.49 | SpeedyG | the fact that java isnt used for games-only nowdays, doesnt make it less dicky ;) |
| 15:22.22 | themill | :) |
| 15:22.52 | jetscreamer | brb |
| 15:24.01 | jelly | irc isn't going to provide govt money, ya know |
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| 15:24.13 | themill | damn, you're right.... |
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| 15:24.25 | cast | jelly, the destoyer of dreams |
| 15:24.49 | abrotman | themill: might get you an idea for a screenplay though! |
| 15:24.59 | harpal | lastnode_: This is my xorg.conf file http://pastebin.com/mb480e0b |
| 15:25.00 | themill | if everyone we helped here on irc chipped in a couple of £ then I wouldn't have to spend hours writing grants... |
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| 15:25.18 | abrotman | themill: and i oculd quit the job that i'm at right now? :) |
| 15:25.31 | jelly | VISIT irc.foresight.gov #freecash FOR FREE MONEY! LOLOL |
| 15:25.40 | liable | why, you get paid to irc now anyway! |
| 15:25.40 | themill | abrotman: and do exactly the same thing.... |
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| 15:25.53 | abrotman | themill: well .. i am cursing the foundations of HTML today |
| 15:26.22 | themill | !curse html |
| 15:26.23 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, html! |
| 15:26.24 | jelly | abrotman: it has foundations? |
| 15:26.26 | beardy | To someone just switching channel, tat looked like spam. |
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| 15:27.46 | abrotman | jelly: things that you'd think hsould work but don't |
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| 15:28.24 | jelly | abrotman: thankfully I don't have to write things that output html much... |
| 15:28.45 | abrotman | jelly: i'd show you the javascript involved .. but you'd cry :) |
| 15:28.59 | jelly | brb (i386 rulz) |
| 15:29.01 | themill | abrotman: -> dailywtf ? |
| 15:29.07 | abrotman | themill: not that bad ... |
| 15:29.24 | abrotman | themill: my boss asked me to make a web-ified timesheet thingie |
| 15:29.41 | abrotman | (yes, i know there are tons already done, he didn't want to use them) |
| 15:29.52 | juancar | . |
| 15:30.07 | themill | abrotman: sounds like lots of fun :( |
| 15:30.10 | juancar | window close |
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| 15:30.13 | abrotman | themill: what could be more fun than dynamically adding rows to a table and then altering totals as you go :) |
| 15:30.14 | juancar | part |
| 15:30.18 | abrotman | juancar: use a / |
| 15:30.21 | liable | awsome, code into it 20 hours overtime for yourself every week |
| 15:30.22 | jetscreamer | /window close |
| 15:30.27 | jetscreamer | /part |
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| 15:30.48 | themill | or just "kill -9 -1" in a terminal somewhere.... |
| 15:31.10 | karmatronic | back |
| 15:31.33 | themill | forward |
| 15:31.39 | abrotman | themill: use /exec ? |
| 15:31.48 | jetscreamer | i was gonna say front |
| 15:31.49 | grendal_prime | abrotman: i built a web based pos that tracks hours for our bookstore staff. |
| 15:31.52 | themill | abrotman: hey... why not ;) |
| 15:32.07 | jetscreamer | i made a pos |
| 15:32.15 | jetscreamer | actually, i made a pos pos |
| 15:32.18 | gpm | um, what's a pos? |
| 15:32.24 | grendal_prime | piece of shit |
| 15:32.26 | gpm | oh |
| 15:32.27 | gpm | hah |
| 15:32.27 | themill | !pos |
| 15:32.27 | dpkg | somebody said pos was defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 15:32.30 | jetscreamer | a piece of shit point of sale |
| 15:32.31 | Ronin | point of sale actually |
| 15:32.32 | abrotman | grendal_prime: yeah .. i didn't want to :) |
| 15:32.38 | gpm | jetscreamer: nice |
| 15:32.59 | grendal_prime | did you already build it? |
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| 15:33.07 | jetscreamer | hey it worked.. |
| 15:33.27 | gpm | poposs? |
| 15:33.38 | grendal_prime | i do alot of things like that is the reason i ask |
| 15:33.44 | abrotman | themill: a lovely small tidbit http://paste.debian.net/36835 |
| 15:34.01 | jetscreamer | yeh this was like 2-3 years ago |
| 15:34.19 | themill | abrotman: I'm glad it's you and not me... |
| 15:34.39 | themill | I won't ask what sort of cross-browser requirements you're working to. |
| 15:34.49 | abrotman | themill: i'm coding against FF .. don't care if it doesn't work elsewhere :) |
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| 15:35.18 | themill | :) |
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| 15:37.03 | jetscreamer | my god my nose turned into niagra |
| 15:37.39 | beardy | Who read that in another way? |
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| 15:37.50 | jetscreamer | viagra? |
| 15:37.52 | themill | I read Nigeria and thought 419 |
| 15:38.06 | themill | then got disturbed... |
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| 15:40.55 | tristezo2k | HI. I need Bind9 resolve ntp.domain.com.ar to 2 or more IN A, how can I put it at my domain file? |
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| 15:42.38 | colera | does anyone have any experience with nxserver? |
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| 15:43.09 | colera | I am trying to get multiple maxchines to use the same pub key so the clients can connect with a single key for all of them? |
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| 15:43.39 | petemc | tristezo2k: same way as for one |
| 15:44.00 | fastputty | i got centericq spamming every 2-3 min |
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| 15:44.05 | fastputty | the process disapear after it |
| 15:44.11 | fastputty | i dont know what happened someone could help me |
| 15:44.15 | themill | tristezo2k: you have two lines: ntp.domain.com.ar. IN A my.ip.add.res \n IN A my.other.add.res |
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| 15:44.47 | tristezo2k | Holy sh1t... I will try that now :) |
| 15:45.30 | themill | tristezo2k: note that's not for fail-over, just round-robin. |
| 15:46.45 | tristezo2k | it works :D |
| 15:47.16 | tristezo2k | themill: What is the differrence? |
| 15:47.17 | themill | :) |
| 15:47.38 | tristezo2k | I mean, the client will try with one and then with the other, isn´t it? |
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| 15:49.09 | themill | tristezo2k: well, if one of your servers dies then the dns server will keep giving out its IP address and the client will have to wait until the request times out and then *might* try again depending on the config. Fail-over tries to get around that limitation. |
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| 15:49.59 | themill | tristezo2k: btw most ntp implementations will accept a list of servers that can be used: ntp1.domain.com, ntp2.domain.com, etc |
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| 15:50.55 | tristezo2k | themill: We are using some atas for voip here. They *will* keep a list of the ip addresses for SRV records, and ntp, and will try them in turn. |
| 15:51.28 | tristezo2k | I notice that when doing two questions, bind9 answers first one record, and then the other first. |
| 15:51.35 | tristezo2k | Is it a feature of a bug? :-P |
| 15:51.43 | tristezo2k | I think that is the round robin part. |
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| 15:52.50 | themill | tristezo2k: that's the round robin part.... it's a way of doing load balancing -- each time the lookup is done a different answer is returned which shares out the load around the clients. |
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| 15:53.55 | tristezo2k | I see... but it is not meant to provide fallback. Well, the voip ATA will try one or the other. It is ok for now, I think. |
| 15:54.10 | tristezo2k | themill: Thanks for your kind help :) |
| 15:54.40 | themill | tristezo2k: I suspect, actually, that ntp would behave quite badly with that since each client will try to track the server time, but I'm not sure what will happen when the server keeps changing. |
| 15:54.51 | themill | tristezo2k: experiment... try it out... good luck ;) |
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| 15:59.52 | jelly | how do I check for existence or a terminal definition in terminfo (ie. is string a valid candidate for $TERM)? |
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| 15:59.57 | jelly | s/or/of/ |
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| 16:02.22 | cast | to answer my question, apparently windows media player can't play a mpeg4/mp3 .avi :| |
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| 16:02.55 | jelly | cast: even if you have all the necessaty codecs installed? |
| 16:03.06 | cast | oh, i'm sure if you install the right codecs |
| 16:03.14 | jelly | well duh |
| 16:03.23 | cast | it'll even play theora/flac fine if you install the right codecs D: |
| 16:04.08 | ampex | cast: you just need xvid, divx, of ffdshow |
| 16:04.21 | ampex | of = or |
| 16:04.26 | jelly | it's a nice modulatized approach, if you want to view (= decode) mpeg4 video, make sure you have an appropriate filter capable of decoding it |
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| 16:06.10 | cast | ampex: not sure computer illiterate people want to install things to watch an embedded video |
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| 16:06.44 | jetscreamer | iirc mp3 isn't allowed in avi but i forget |
| 16:06.58 | jetscreamer | i'm probably wornt |
| 16:07.00 | ampex | cast: the divx web player plugin is a decent option |
| 16:07.08 | cast | oh, hmm. didn't know that...at any rate the sound was the only part that worked |
| 16:07.12 | cast | ampex: unfortunately not my site D: |
| 16:07.41 | ampex | cast: so what are you researching for? |
| 16:07.56 | cast | so i guess, as much as i hate to say it, its going to be wmv9, which is probably either mpeg4 or H264 with some slight modification |
| 16:07.58 | jelly | jetscreamer: sure it is, there are lots of pirated avis with divx or xvid or whatever mpeg4 relative + mp3 audio |
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| 16:08.28 | jetscreamer | Any audio and video codec is allowed, |
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| 16:08.43 | jetscreamer | like i said, probably wrung |
| 16:08.58 | ampex | jetscreamer: vbr audio isn't technically allowed in .avi, but it's possible |
| 16:09.10 | ampex | avi is a horrible outdated container though |
| 16:09.22 | jetscreamer | but note that VBR audio is not well supported by most players. The file format makes it possible to use VBR audio, but most players expect CBR audio, thus they fail with VBR. VBR is uncommon and Microsoft's AVI specs only describe CBR audio. |
| 16:10.07 | ampex | cast: what's wrong with flash? |
| 16:10.12 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 16:10.31 | ampex | why lol? |
| 16:10.55 | cast | ampex: not my site, i just upload a movie that gets embedded |
| 16:11.18 | cast | if it were up to me it would be theora/vorbis :| |
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| 16:11.33 | ampex | cast: and you can't control the html tags that end up embedding your file? |
| 16:11.34 | jetscreamer | 1080p |
| 16:12.07 | cast | ampex: bingo |
| 16:12.11 | ampex | gotcha |
| 16:12.11 | jetscreamer | not sure that was my gut reaction, to lol |
| 16:12.30 | jetscreamer | ok not lol, kind of a snigger |
| 16:12.37 | ampex | wmv is probably your best bet, unfortunately |
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| 16:12.59 | ampex | MPEG-1 :) |
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| 16:13.32 | cast | well, there's a ~190kbps limit on the video stream :\ |
| 16:13.42 | fastputty | how doi do a sort with du command? sort by disk space |
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| 16:13.43 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 16:14.09 | cast | fastputty: with the sort command |
| 16:14.14 | gypsymauro | how can I set that cron jobs sends mail to a specific email address? |
| 16:14.45 | fastputty | well i wanna do a sort on du -ha |
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| 16:14.48 | fastputty | how can ido it? |
| 16:15.05 | mick_work | !ops |
| 16:15.05 | dpkg | well, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 16:15.28 | Gathond | gypsymauro: set the MAILTO variable in your crontab |
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| 16:15.30 | mick_work | dpkg: ops there is a spambot sitting in here called Game |
| 16:15.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: mick_work complains about: there is a spambot sitting in here called Game |
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| 16:16.16 | gypsymauro | tanx Gathond |
| 16:16.16 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 16:16.27 | jelly | game over, mon |
| 16:16.32 | jetscreamer | !LoRez++ |
| 16:17.10 | ampex | fastputty: du -a | sort -n |
| 16:17.29 | jetscreamer | hell there's ppl in that ops list i've never even seen their nicks |
| 16:17.39 | jetscreamer | and somebody delete helix |
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| 16:17.44 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 16:17.49 | mick_work | :) |
| 16:17.50 | ampex | fastputty: adding -h into the mix causes a small problem, because sort thinks 2.8GB is smaller than 3.6M, etc. |
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| 16:18.14 | liable | jetscreamer: helix is still there |
| 16:18.31 | jetscreamer | where... in the list? yes. |
| 16:18.33 | liable | just after greycat |
| 16:18.42 | jetscreamer | here? lol greycat is there too? |
| 16:18.43 | jelly | jetscreamer: I always wondered about the sad lefty smiley person |
| 16:18.52 | liable | thats greycat |
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| 16:19.06 | liable | wel,, was greycat.. |
| 16:19.06 | fastputty | can we do a du with ignoring diretory? |
| 16:19.14 | fastputty | du command ignoring direcory? |
| 16:19.25 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:19.33 | jetscreamer | mwilson for ops |
| 16:19.39 | cast | shopt -s extglob; use !(dirname) |
| 16:19.54 | cast | [maybe?] |
| 16:20.00 | liable | he would even ban the idlers! |
| 16:20.31 | themill | du --exclude=pattern (man du) |
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| 16:21.45 | kenji | hello, I know that there is a command to list all the apache virtual host on a server but I don't remember the command can you help me? |
| 16:21.57 | jetscreamer | wtf my mouse won't move |
| 16:22.07 | liable | a2ensite |
| 16:22.09 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 16:22.12 | kenji | jetscreamer you don't need a mouse xD |
| 16:22.15 | simonrvn | man apache2ctl; apache2ctl -h |
| 16:22.24 | kenji | tnks simonrvn |
| 16:22.26 | SpeedyG | jetscreamer: you killed it! evil person! :'[ |
| 16:22.27 | SpeedyG | ;) |
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| 16:22.45 | ampex | fastputty: find -type f -exec ls -l {} \; | awk '{print $5 " " $9}' | sort -n |
| 16:22.46 | jetscreamer | it was only pretending to be dead |
| 16:22.54 | simonrvn | what if he ate it? |
| 16:23.08 | SpeedyG | he'd have a horrible stommach-ache tomorrow ;) |
| 16:23.10 | kenji | simonrvn that don't work |
| 16:23.11 | jetscreamer | my cats would be pissed |
| 16:23.14 | ampex | fastputty: find -type f -exec ls -la {} \; | awk '{print $5 " " $9}' | sort -n |
| 16:23.19 | ampex | fastputty: if you want files beginning with . |
| 16:23.31 | simonrvn | yes it does, it means go look it up, i told you where to look it up |
| 16:23.47 | jetscreamer | speaking of, i saw a designer mouse at sak's... only 50 bucks. |
| 16:24.04 | jetscreamer | looked like what a grandma might buy |
| 16:24.07 | ampex | fastputty: that only shows files, then prints the size and filename, then sorts numerically |
| 16:24.14 | simonrvn | missing path arg |
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| 16:25.11 | themill | fastputty: what are you trying to do??? I've missed something here... |
| 16:25.13 | jelly | ampex: eww... $9 is not the file name! :-) |
| 16:25.37 | kenji | hello, I know that there is a command to list all the apache virtual host on a server but I don't remember the command can you help me? |
| 16:25.44 | ampex | jelly: in my system it is |
| 16:25.50 | jetscreamer | deja vu |
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| 16:26.21 | ampex | well, the path |
| 16:26.25 | ampex | and filename |
| 16:26.30 | ampex | which you'd want anyways |
| 16:26.52 | themill | jelly, ampex: probably depends on your LANG as that changes the date/time listing |
| 16:27.18 | ampex | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 16:27.25 | simonrvn | and why aren't you using -R? |
| 16:27.42 | jelly | ampex: er... did you get the point? |
| 16:27.48 | ampex | simonrvn: who was that directed to? |
| 16:27.53 | ampex | jelly: what point? |
| 16:28.02 | simonrvn | recursive |
| 16:28.08 | jelly | ampex: filenames with whitespace in them. |
| 16:28.16 | ampex | jelly: gotcha |
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| 16:28.29 | ampex | no respectable *nix admin puts whitespaces in files :) |
| 16:28.43 | ampex | how to get around that problem? |
| 16:28.48 | jelly | you think fastputty is a admin? |
| 16:29.01 | simonrvn | using xargs -0 and fin -print0 |
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| 16:29.03 | simonrvn | find |
| 16:29.04 | ampex | although samba does exist, and windows users will be windows users |
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| 16:29.52 | simonrvn | and using -A will kill . .. listings |
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| 16:30.34 | ampex | simonrvn: an example? |
| 16:30.42 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 16:30.50 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 16:30.50 | jelly | find ... -print0 | xargs -0 stat -c '%s %n' |
| 16:31.18 | kenji | hello, I know that there is a command to list all the apache virtual host on a server but I don't remember the command can you help me? |
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| 16:31.55 | themill | kenji: if you're doing things the debian way, then it's just "ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/" |
| 16:32.05 | simonrvn | kenji: i gave to you... you could try liable's thing, a2ensite |
| 16:32.08 | kenji | themill I know but there is a list |
| 16:32.13 | kenji | a command that show a list |
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| 16:32.57 | themill | kenji: apache2ctl -S |
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| 16:33.22 | themill | oh ffs. Why ask you a question and then piss off straight away. |
| 16:34.01 | simonrvn | too incompetent to look at the -h (help) for apache2ctl ... |
| 16:34.24 | simonrvn | .:12:22:15:. <simonrvn> man apache2ctl; apache2ctl -h |
| 16:34.41 | wouterl | I can't record sound from my mic. Driver is snd-intel8x0. Capture is set on mic in alsamixer. Playing sound etc works, even playback. Where can I find extra information etc? |
| 16:35.09 | simonrvn | themill: hehe |
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| 16:36.08 | simonrvn | borked mic? |
| 16:36.16 | simonrvn | wrong plug? |
| 16:36.36 | wouterl | mic works, i can hear the playback |
| 16:36.42 | themill | !tell wouterl about multiple ask |
| 16:37.22 | ampex | back |
| 16:37.22 | ampex | <themill> ! |
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| 16:37.31 | ampex | !tell ampex about multiple ask |
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| 16:38.03 | wouterl | themill? the question was: where can i find extra information. doesn't seem to be a multiple ask ... |
| 16:38.38 | themill | wouterl: and also on oftc. |
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| 16:38.58 | capiira | hmm hi how can i execute an application in the terminal and keep the terminal usable? |
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| 16:39.26 | chops | capiira: appname & |
| 16:40.19 | jelly | themill: otfc is not here. |
| 16:40.21 | capiira | thx |
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| 16:40.58 | adama | I've been running debian here at work for a couple of years and yesterday I did a dist-upgrade... |
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| 16:41.42 | adama | and now when I log in thru the login screen, it flashes black and goes back to the login screen. xdm doesn't restart and I can't find any error message anywhere |
| 16:42.11 | chops | adama: What release are you running? |
| 16:42.13 | pickcoder | adama: you have a graphical login? |
| 16:42.22 | adama | pickcoder:yes |
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| 16:43.10 | adama | chops: etch/unstable |
| 16:43.32 | adama | I can log in and do stuff thru the cli no problem |
| 16:43.59 | chops | adama: "etch/unstable" is what you see as the release when you log in? |
| 16:44.01 | themill | adama: do you really mean etch/unstable? what's apt-cache policy libc6 look like? |
| 16:44.04 | goodtod | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:44.29 | chops | adama: Can you pastebin your sources.list? How long since you last did a dist-upgrade? |
| 16:44.34 | adama | nope, it says lenny/sid acrtually |
| 16:44.58 | chops | adama: Okay, where did "etch/unstable" come from? |
| 16:45.11 | adama | sources.lst |
| 16:45.12 | vnWrK | hi, would there be a way to get http://www.nostalgeek.net/phpsysinfo/index.php to show only my domain name? or simply the WAN IP instead of the LAN IP? |
| 16:45.27 | adama | dist-upgrade yesterday |
| 16:45.37 | chops | adama: Before that I mean |
| 16:45.39 | goodtod | rrm sorry that wasnt proper english. i have a script running rsync with --rsh=/usr/bin/ssh -p 1215 and i understand why the whitespace causes it to break but i dont understand why it would start breaking now when it was working before? |
| 16:45.41 | themill | adama: and the dist-upgrade before that was how many months ago? |
| 16:45.42 | vnWrK | since it's divulgating info |
| 16:45.57 | adama | mmm probably 3 months ago |
| 16:45.58 | pickcoder | adama: your sources.list had "testing" in the release |
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| 16:46.28 | adama | no, no "testing" |
| 16:46.38 | adama | just "unstable" |
| 16:46.41 | GooZ | how to tell to which files a process is writting to ,. ? maybe with lsof? |
| 16:46.56 | pickcoder | erm.. you haven't upgraded since etch was "unstable"? |
| 16:47.00 | themill | adama: please pastebin your sources.list and apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 16:47.38 | adama | apt-cache policy libc6 says 2.6.1-2 |
| 16:47.42 | simonrvn | etch was never unstable |
| 16:47.47 | pickcoder | exactly! |
| 16:47.47 | ampex | vnWrK: I can't get to that site |
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| 16:48.03 | edgar | asdf |
| 16:48.14 | edgar | Hallo Welt! |
| 16:48.19 | themill | adama: ok, that's current sid. |
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| 16:48.36 | themill | adama: please pastebin your sources.list |
| 16:48.37 | vnWrK | ampex: timeout or filtered? |
| 16:48.44 | adama | my sources list has 4 lines... |
| 16:48.58 | simonrvn | !paster |
| 16:48.58 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 16:49.30 | ampex | vnWrK: timeout |
| 16:49.32 | adama | sec |
| 16:49.37 | ampex | vnWrK: could be filtered though, hard to tell |
| 16:50.02 | ampex | vnWrK: looks more like filtered |
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| 16:50.44 | adama | http://paste.debian.net/36844 |
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| 16:50.47 | yos87 | hi |
| 16:50.54 | yos87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.00 | Skyfalcon866 | can install debian from a cd image on a harddisk |
| 16:51.05 | simonrvn | yos87: ask in one channel at a time please |
| 16:51.11 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 16:51.53 | liable | Skyfalcon866: there is a hard drive image kernel you can use if you have a linux box already |
| 16:51.55 | vnWrK | ampex: thanks for the try anyway :p |
| 16:52.33 | ampex | vnWrK: can't open it up? |
| 16:52.46 | chops | adama: Unless you have pinning configured, having both sid and etch in sources.list will simply give you an etch system |
| 16:52.57 | Alley_Kat | I have just done a clean reinstall of debian. In Ubuntu and a previous version of Debian I used to be able to select "Emacs*font: -bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-medium-r-normal--12-102-85-85-c-72-iso8859-1" as a .Xresources font. But know the 12 point one isn't listed. What do I need to do to get this Font again? |
| 16:53.03 | liable | chops: a sid system |
| 16:53.04 | themill | chops: libc6 is from sid |
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| 16:53.26 | chops | adama: Argh, yes -- I meant sid system. Sorry. |
| 16:53.31 | themill | chops: it's only etch/updates, it's sid for main. |
| 16:53.32 | yos87 | simonrvn: sorry, they use not to answer me, so I said past on both channel |
| 16:53.40 | Baktaah | Has anyone gotten Intel 4965 AGN wireless to work in Debian and with nvidia 8600m? Thats all I got a problem with... |
| 16:53.59 | ampex | Baktaah: what laptop? |
| 16:54.03 | adama | so I should change "etch" to "sid" in there? |
| 16:54.06 | liable | Baktaah: one at a time |
| 16:54.17 | yos87 | liable: how are you? |
| 16:54.19 | liable | Baktaah: what debian version? |
| 16:54.31 | liable | yos87: very well thanks |
| 16:54.40 | simonrvn | yos87: wait before you do, it's kinda annoying to people on both to see the same question. "which one do we answer, latest one or the first one?" |
| 16:54.40 | chops | adama: You can just comment out the etch lines; they're probably not doing anything for you. |
| 16:54.48 | Baktaah | liable I dont got debian yet, I had ubuntu and it didnt work with ubuntu so I assume it wont work in debian either and since it doesnt work in ubuntu, I might as well go with debian (less garbage) |
| 16:54.48 | themill | !tell Baktaah about ipw4965 |
| 16:55.09 | liable | Baktaah: i have helped a couple people get the wireless card working |
| 16:55.35 | chops | adama: Your X problems are probably just caused by standard sid problems. Is there anything interesting in your X log? |
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| 16:55.45 | Baktaah | themill i didnt understand |
| 16:55.46 | adama | done, apt-get update Fetched 1B in 1s |
| 16:55.46 | yos87 | simonrvn: you are really right, I did by mistake, I'm sorry |
| 16:55.53 | themill | adama: you can't downgrade. |
| 16:55.59 | Baktaah | liable can you help me when I get debian installed and get my TP cable up here :) ? |
| 16:56.11 | yos87 | simonrvn: on the other hand, I did not suspect there is somebody on both channel, otherwise why 2 channels? |
| 16:56.13 | liable | Baktaah: intellinuxwireless.org |
| 16:56.24 | ampex | Baktaah: what make/model laptop? |
| 16:56.26 | Baktaah | liable okay? |
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| 16:56.32 | abrotman | liable: can you get me some TP ? |
| 16:56.34 | liable | Baktaah: depends, its 1am here and i will likely be going to bed in an hour or so |
| 16:56.35 | Baktaah | ampex zepto (does it even matter?) |
| 16:56.41 | Baktaah | liable dang :) |
| 16:57.00 | simonrvn | yos87: long story. short story is this one is the first one. it's ok |
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| 16:57.29 | liable | where's wols when you need a poo throwing monkey |
| 16:57.33 | adama | chops: my X log is not too interesting, it has some stuff about DRI missing and fonts |
| 16:57.45 | ampex | Baktaah: I think the wireless is built into 2.6.22 |
| 16:57.59 | ampex | Baktaah: there are discussions on the ubuntu forums about the Dell Vostro 1400 that has very similar hardware |
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| 16:58.01 | liable | ampex: the mac stack is, but not the driver |
| 16:58.02 | themill | ampex: not for that chipset |
| 16:58.16 | Baktaah | ampex what is 2.6.22 a beta version of a new debian? |
| 16:58.21 | yos87 | simonrvn: yes, this is the first. you are right |
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| 16:59.52 | chops | adama: Hm. Is there anything in your ~/.xsession file? |
| 17:00.05 | et | when i boot while the hw wireless switch is turned to off, the device fails to show in ifconfig -a when i switch it on, dmesg shows only an "usb device" (may be bluetooth, same switch). is there something i'm missing? |
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| 17:00.24 | themill | et: what hardware do you have? |
| 17:00.37 | liable | heh, that reminds me of a posting of a bug i saw the other day |
| 17:00.37 | chops | adama: If you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a text-mode console, log in, and type "startx", what happens? |
| 17:01.00 | adama | chops: no such file, but there is a bunch of stuff in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 17:01.07 | et | themill: centrino duo, using the ipw3945 driver |
| 17:01.07 | chops | adama: Is it a recent file? |
| 17:01.11 | adama | it is |
| 17:01.49 | Baktaah | Has anyone gotten Intel 4965 AGN wireless to work in Debian and with nvidia 8600m? Thats all I got a problem with... |
| 17:01.49 | adama | 1sec looking |
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| 17:01.49 | adama | never seen it before |
| 17:01.49 | chops | adama: Fascinating. If you can't make sense of it, you can pastebin it and I can take a look. |
| 17:01.49 | liable | Baktaah: i told you, the wireless will work |
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| 17:01.50 | themill | et: that's a pci wireless card not usb so it will be in lspci instead ;) |
| 17:01.50 | row | Hey if I have installed some python modules in /home/foo/lib/python2.3/site-packages/ and I also want to use system installed stuff from /usr/lib/python2.3/ what would I set $PYTHONHOME to? |
| 17:01.54 | P-K | Anyone have any ideas on this error? |
| 17:01.58 | Baktaah | liable where I cant see? |
| 17:02.04 | P-K | Setting up libapache-mod-php4 (4.3.10-22) .. |
| 17:02.05 | P-K | Error: mod_jk-eapi.so does not have a corresponding .info file. |
| 17:02.17 | themill | et: have you installed the firmware and regulatory daemon too? |
| 17:02.33 | chops | P-K: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 17:02.45 | P-K | whats the BTS? |
| 17:02.50 | themill | !bts |
| 17:02.50 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:02.59 | P-K | ahh |
| 17:03.14 | et | themill: yes. it works, too, it's just invisible when i booted with the switch off (switch works fine when it was on while booting) |
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| 17:03.48 | adama | chops: when I log in GUI, this (and some other stuff) goes onto that file, then I'm back at the login screen |
| 17:03.53 | adama | x-session-manager: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl |
| 17:03.53 | themill | et: "modprobe -r ipw3945; modprobe ipw3945" often helps |
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| 17:04.24 | adama | other stuff being "WARNING: not using secure memory for passwords" |
| 17:04.25 | Jonah | hey guys is there a real easy way to setup a home network between a mac and linux box |
| 17:05.01 | P-K | It's not in there. |
| 17:05.11 | simonrvn | x-over cable ;). straight-through if their NICs are switchable ;) |
| 17:05.22 | Supaplex | Jonah: wireless? ethernet? router? switch? openwrt? there's countless possibilities... |
| 17:05.59 | simonrvn | hmm |
| 17:06.09 | Jonah | Supaplex, well i currently have my linux desktop pc getting internet via wireless router and same with mac |
| 17:06.29 | Supaplex | sounds like it's setup then. |
| 17:07.22 | Jonah | Supaplex, really? so i can share files and printers and stuff or do i need samba or summin like that? |
| 17:07.52 | Supaplex | now you're more specific :) |
| 17:08.02 | Supaplex | yea, install samba, cups, etc |
| 17:08.14 | simonrvn | netatalk |
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| 17:08.55 | Jonah | Supaplex, sorry dude, i didnt mean to be unspecific... how can i get them on the same workgroup though, at least that's what it's called in windows which sucks but have to use windows network at my work |
| 17:09.08 | chops | adama: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441028 |
| 17:09.27 | simonrvn | windows and network shouldn't be used in the same sentence |
| 17:09.38 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 17:09.42 | chops | adama: Unfortunately that bug is not much help. The maintainer blames it on another package and then closes it (rather than reassigning it), and I don't see any such bug filed against libglib2.0-0. |
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| 17:09.58 | AKX^ | Hey, how could I find out how much a given process uses network bandwidth? (To localhost) |
| 17:10.05 | chops | adama: Also, that's no guarantee that that specific bug is what's causing your brokenness (though it seems decently likely). |
| 17:10.14 | chops | AKX: jnettop |
| 17:10.14 | abrotman | AKX: ntop perhaps |
| 17:10.59 | adama | I'm going to try this: apt-get install --reinstall `dpkg -l | grep libgtk | cut -f 3 -d " "` |
| 17:11.20 | AKX | chops: How would I do that with jnettop? |
| 17:11.35 | AKX | I want to know how much bandwidth mysql is usin--.. oh, I should just filter to the mysql port? |
| 17:12.23 | chops | AKX: You can do that, yes. |
| 17:12.27 | binfalse | sup |
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| 17:12.40 | Supaplex | Jonah: configure /etc/samba on the linux box. not totally sure about the mac clients. |
| 17:13.02 | themill | !tell adama about reinstall |
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| 17:14.29 | adama | it didn't do anything |
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| 17:16.00 | rewt__ | hi! |
| 17:16.01 | Baktaah | Has anyone gotten Intel 4965 AGN wireless to work in Debian and with nvidia 8600m? Thats all I got a problem with... |
| 17:16.02 | liable | the goggles! they do nothing |
| 17:16.05 | Baktaah | liable How does it work? |
| 17:16.07 | Baktaah | Out of the box? |
| 17:16.23 | liable | Baktaah: no, with some effort on your behalf |
| 17:16.24 | abrotman | the wifi affects the video ? |
| 17:16.25 | dkr | liable: My eyes! The goggles do nothing! |
| 17:16.32 | Baktaah | liable what should I do |
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| 17:17.12 | liable | Baktaah: installing debian is a good start. also visiting intellinuxwireless.org |
| 17:17.15 | rewt__ | i have a strange poroblem im trying to connect to my solaris from my debian with xdmcp and i don't understand why it shows me the login window and when i enter correct login/password it desapears and come back |
| 17:17.30 | rewt__ | i don't know if it is an error from the client (linux) or the solaris (server) |
| 17:17.42 | Baktaah | liable Ive read that webpage |
| 17:17.45 | Baktaah | it doesnt help at all |
| 17:18.06 | liable | Baktaah: what do you mean by that? |
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| 17:18.12 | liable | why doesnt it help? |
| 17:18.20 | Baktaah | liable because its like chinese to me |
| 17:18.42 | liable | right.. s/it doesnt help/ i dont understand/ |
| 17:18.51 | Baktaah | yeah it doesnt help at all |
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| 17:19.25 | liable | Baktaah: unless you have debian running now, then i cannot help |
| 17:19.31 | themill | Baktaah: stay calm ... we'll tackle problems one at a time. It will require you to do things on your machine using the command line but people will talk you through it. |
| 17:19.41 | Baktaah | themill let me get debian first |
| 17:19.44 | Baktaah | what debian should I use |
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| 17:20.20 | Baktaah | 4.0 or 3.1 |
| 17:20.21 | themill | Baktaah: all it requires is some patience on your part, some patience on our part and for you to follow instructions quite carefully. liable is quite good at getting people's 4965 working now... he's done it with quite a few people here on #debian. |
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| 17:20.44 | Baktaah | themill cool :) I know liable said so, i just need to get debian, and you said I needed a specific kernel |
| 17:20.51 | Baktaah | I dont know what debian to get and install, the 3.1 or 4.0 rc? |
| 17:20.57 | Baktaah | r1 |
| 17:21.03 | simonrvn | 4.x |
| 17:21.04 | themill | Baktaah: 4.0 (etch). 3.1 is "oldstable" and not recommended for new installs. |
| 17:21.32 | Gm4n | my debian server totally locked up an hour ago, I had to reboot it to be able to connect at all. What logfiles should I be checking to figure out what happened? |
| 17:21.34 | Supaplex | !topicsmite Baktaah |
| 17:21.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Baktaah. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:21.35 | Gm4n | (etch) |
| 17:22.06 | liable | lenny would be better, but therein lies the conundrum. easy to install or maintain.. |
| 17:22.32 | rewt__ | do you know any compatibility problem beetween solaris display and linux display via XDMCP ? |
| 17:22.42 | rewt__ | please give me an help |
| 17:22.51 | themill | liable: I was figuring you were going to suggest lenny for that hardware :) but he's going to have to start with etch install anyway. |
| 17:22.51 | valdyn | rewt__: why would the kernel matter? |
| 17:23.01 | chops | Gm4n: /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog would be where I would start |
| 17:23.21 | rewt__ | because i can't connecty to my solaris from linux i have the authentification windows but when i connect it always give me back the authentification window |
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| 17:23.35 | rewt__ | and in xterm where i launch X -query |
| 17:23.40 | rewt__ | i have the following error |
| 17:24.29 | liable | themill: ya. installing a 22 on etch is possible though. i just dunno what to suggest. |
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| 17:24.53 | rewt__ | FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 17:24.53 | rewt__ | (EE) R128(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. |
| 17:24.53 | rewt__ | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 17:25.04 | abrotman | not fatal |
| 17:25.06 | liable | thats not fatal |
| 17:25.26 | valdyn | rewt__: ignore that error |
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| 17:25.46 | rewt__ | yes |
| 17:25.55 | rewt__ | but ignoring it or not always have the same problem |
| 17:26.01 | rewt__ | can't open a session on my solaris |
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| 17:26.09 | rewt__ | i have only the authetication window :( |
| 17:26.13 | valdyn | rewt__: that 'error' has nothing to do with your issue |
| 17:26.49 | rewt__ | so simple to configure on Linux so hard on Solaris :( |
| 17:27.30 | themill | liable: unfortunately there's no .22 in backports yet.... .21 is though but that won't help. Actually, .22 still hasn't migrated to testing. |
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| 17:28.14 | liable | themill: apparently it installs ok though. so a deb from sid would do. but then theres headers and kbuild and source needed as well. |
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| 17:29.35 | nils_ | how is ${binary:Version} obtained from control file when packaging? |
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| 17:41.04 | Gm4n | chops: the only interesting line I can find is about dhcp |
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| 17:41.23 | chops | Gm4n: That seems unlikely to have caused your crash |
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| 17:41.31 | Gm4n | well, I don't know it was a crash |
| 17:41.32 | chops | Gm4n: What kernel? Any recent hardware changes? |
| 17:41.40 | Gm4n | all I know is I was unable to connect to it |
| 17:41.42 | Gm4n | it's a remote server |
| 17:42.00 | Gm4n | it's 2.6.16.53-070731a |
| 17:42.01 | corey_ | ok can I fix avahi after I installed and purged resolvconf?!?!? |
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| 17:43.06 | corey_ | abrotman you there? |
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| 17:43.12 | tsb | How did you figure out which package a file belongs to again? dpkg right? |
| 17:43.14 | corey_ | abrotman I borked avahi |
| 17:43.15 | pickcoder | Gm4n: build that yourself? |
| 17:43.33 | Gm4n | pickcoder: nope, just aptitude updates |
| 17:43.35 | pickcoder | tsb: apt-file |
| 17:43.42 | tsb | sound it, dpkg -S, thanks. |
| 17:43.46 | pickcoder | Gm4n: that doesn't look like a Debian kernel |
| 17:43.50 | chops | Gm4n: That kernel did not come from a Debian repository |
| 17:44.00 | corey_ | abrotman its mfrisch. |
| 17:44.16 | Gm4n | well, I ordered a server image with debian sarge |
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| 17:44.25 | Gm4n | then updated it to etch |
| 17:44.35 | chops | Gm4n: Virtual server? |
| 17:44.41 | Gm4n | no, dedicated |
| 17:44.48 | pickcoder | 2.6.18-5 is the latest Etch kernel |
| 17:44.57 | abrotman | corey_: ? |
| 17:45.05 | abrotman | corey_: okay. . so fix it |
| 17:45.09 | chops | Gm4n: Hm, your etch upgrade should have involved an install and upgrade to a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 17:45.19 | Flimzy | pickcoder: Not for all archs |
| 17:45.25 | ampex | Gm4n: what's the host? |
| 17:45.31 | pickcoder | amd64 is the same |
| 17:45.31 | Flimzy | pickcoder: (I think) |
| 17:45.33 | corey_ | abrotman it's mfrisch...uhm tried. purged resolvconf and reinstalled avahi no good. |
| 17:45.38 | pickcoder | dunno about any others |
| 17:45.41 | Gm4n | ampex: 64bit amd, if that's what you mean |
| 17:45.42 | abrotman | corey_: hit the BTS |
| 17:45.50 | ampex | Gm4n: no, the hosting company |
| 17:45.54 | Gm4n | 1&1 |
| 17:46.09 | corey_ | abrotman oh I gonna hit something ;-) |
| 17:46.21 | pickcoder | chops: if the 2.6 meta package was installed, I dunno if it would have upgraded or not |
| 17:46.23 | pickcoder | probably not |
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| 17:46.45 | pickcoder | who knows what was on there before |
| 17:47.06 | Gm4n | I'm using a "Business Server 1" from http://1and1.com |
| 17:47.21 | corey_ | abrotman so what no dynamic update for nameservers uhg... |
| 17:47.34 | chops | pickcoder: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#s-newkernel talks about it |
| 17:47.45 | chops | Gm4n: Did you install a new kernel when you upgraded to etch? |
| 17:47.58 | Gm4n | I don't remember, I just did whatever aptitude was telling me to do |
| 17:48.04 | chops | Gm4n: Of course, we're wandering a bit far afield of your nonresponsive server :-) |
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| 17:48.19 | Gm4n | well, it could be something the host compiled into the kernel specially that broke |
| 17:48.19 | Gm4n | =P |
| 17:48.21 | pickcoder | BBL |
| 17:48.24 | pickcoder | meh. |
| 17:48.32 | chops | Gm4n: You should read the release notes and follow the instructions when you upgrade, not necessarily just dist-upgrade and cross fingers :-) |
| 17:48.42 | Gm4n | chops: I did read instructions |
| 17:48.44 | chops | Gm4n: That was one thought I had, yes |
| 17:48.59 | Gm4n | chops: not that that means I did it right, but I did read 'em ;) |
| 17:49.15 | ampex | Gm4n: I have a feeling that for those prices, you're in some sort of virtualized environment |
| 17:49.29 | chops | Gm4n: The two obvious causes of system crashes are broken hardware or kernel bugs |
| 17:49.48 | chops | Gm4n: You say you're not sure it was a crash -- what else were you thinking it could have been? |
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| 17:49.50 | ampex | Gm4n: maybe not for $99/month |
| 17:49.51 | Gm4n | well, ampex, keep in mind it's $100/month ;) |
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| 17:50.08 | Gm4n | chops: all I can see is that there was no network connectivity |
| 17:50.08 | jetscreamer | you could maybe get a colo for that |
| 17:50.32 | chops | Gm4n: How long was the outage? |
| 17:50.41 | Gm4n | well, around an hour, as far as I can tell |
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| 17:50.58 | Gm4n | as soon as I got back, I had it rebooted |
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| 17:51.21 | damog | mmmmmmmmm: nice nickname |
| 17:51.33 | ampex | mmmmmmmmm good |
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| 17:52.10 | jetscreamer | cowshit, great |
| 17:52.18 | jetscreamer | err bullshit |
| 17:52.25 | chops | Gm4n: You can check in /var/log/messages and see if it was dropping those "--MARK--" messages during that time |
| 17:52.36 | chops | Gm4n: That'll tell you whether it was a dead network or a dead server |
| 17:52.58 | Gm4n | chops: it dropped in tons of 'em |
| 17:53.12 | chops | Gm4n: During the time when the server was unreachable? |
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| 17:53.38 | Gm4n | correct |
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| 17:54.44 | chops | Gm4n: Oh, so it's a dead network. Huh. I would be inclined to talk to your hosting people, then... there aren't a lot of sudden random failures that can lead to a broken network interface |
| 17:54.50 | avtobiff | what does the "--MARK--" messages mean? |
| 17:55.12 | chops | Gm4n: It could have been someone logged into the machine playing with firewall settings or something, of course. Is anyone but you and the hosting company allowed to log into the machine? |
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| 17:55.22 | Gm4n | hosting company isn't ;) |
| 17:55.23 | Gm4n | only me |
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| 17:56.10 | chops | Gm4n: If you didn't do anything to the network recently, I am inclined to guess that it was a problem at your hosting company. I'm not sure, though, of course. |
| 17:56.50 | azzzz | hi, i have "testing main contrib non-free" in sources.list, but still can't apt-get some packages. can you help ? |
| 17:57.03 | chops | azzzz: Which packages can't you get? |
| 17:57.18 | azzzz | chops: bitchx, nvidia-glx |
| 17:57.22 | jetscreamer | did you apt-get update? |
| 17:57.29 | azzzz | yes |
| 17:57.39 | jetscreamer | paste your sources |
| 17:57.39 | chops | azzzz: What does it say when it doesn't let you get them? |
| 17:57.41 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 17:57.41 | liable | !why is bitchx not in testing |
| 17:57.41 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 17:57.41 | dpkg | bitchx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=bitchx |
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| 17:58.25 | hark | same for nvidia-glx |
| 17:58.25 | jetscreamer | there is no nvidia-glx in testing it seems |
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| 17:58.48 | azzzz | http://paste.debian.net/36850 |
| 17:58.56 | hark | you should have got an ATI instead ;) |
| 17:59.01 | jetscreamer | nvidia doesn't work with a 2.6.21 anyway |
| 17:59.06 | jetscreamer | neither does ati iirc |
| 17:59.19 | jetscreamer | !tell azzzz -about nvidia |
| 17:59.24 | hark | nooo |
| 17:59.27 | jetscreamer | !tell azzzz -about simple sid backport |
| 17:59.34 | azzzz | hark: ati i got with direct rendering on other machine, its a real pain ... i like nvidia better |
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| 17:59.56 | liable | hark: the new fglrx isnt out yet, not the specs :) |
| 18:00.03 | liable | s/not/nor/ |
| 18:00.08 | jetscreamer | but paravirt got fixed in testing somehow and now works with nvidia in the 2.6.21? |
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| 18:00.17 | azzzz | jetscreamer: i am on 2.6.22.6 |
| 18:00.23 | jetscreamer | oh then np |
| 18:00.37 | hark | liable: you'll finally get AIGLXfoo!! |
| 18:00.49 | liable | hark: next month :( maybe |
| 18:00.56 | azzzz | just following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:01.16 | azzzz | backports did not work |
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| 18:01.51 | jetscreamer | so ignore that |
| 18:01.58 | liable | lol |
| 18:02.01 | hark | liable: see, aren't you glad now that you had an ati card? |
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| 18:02.21 | azzzz | strange, 3 weeks ago it worked this way :( |
| 18:02.46 | liable | hark: seeing as i have been running vesa for about 6 months and have to downgrade kernels to run the not yet released supposedly good fglrx, no! :P |
| 18:02.47 | grendal_prime | My big question primer is i ran a query it took..about 2 min to run, then the next time i ran it to like 2 sec..does pg have a cache enabled? |
| 18:02.49 | codynotes | What's the best way to resize partitions without losing the data on them? |
| 18:03.04 | jetscreamer | use the sid stuff afaik... m-a a-i nvidia ... but i forget |
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| 18:03.14 | chops | codynotes: parted is supposed to do a good job of handling that |
| 18:03.20 | jetscreamer | cp the data to a backup and repartition |
| 18:03.33 | jetscreamer | but he said best |
| 18:03.53 | chops | codynotes: You can resize2fs by hand, and then delete the partition and remake it with the correct size... but God help you if you don't know exactly what you're doing or if you make a mistake. |
| 18:04.32 | codynotes | chops: OK, I'll check out parted. Believe me, I don't know exactly what I'm doing ;) |
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| 18:04.37 | chops | codynotes: :-) |
| 18:04.43 | jetscreamer | always make a backup |
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| 18:04.51 | chops | codynotes: Yes, always make a backup |
| 18:04.54 | jetscreamer | !wb abrotman |
| 18:04.54 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! abrotman has returned! |
| 18:04.59 | codynotes | Hehe, backing up right now =P |
| 18:05.02 | hark | liable: when are they supposed to release the specs? have they announced a date? |
| 18:05.12 | Vorg | I'm seeting up a new Athlon64x2. I used the 64bit lenny netinst. I'm trying to setup ntp to start at boot, but it seems ntpdate is also being called during boot and getting the port first. Anyone know where ntpdate is called during bootup? |
| 18:05.52 | Vorg | not seeing it in any of the /etc/rc_.d folders |
| 18:05.53 | liable | hark: the free 2d driver supposedly will be released in days, the 3d stuff is apparently mired in a few legal issues |
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| 18:06.11 | chops | Vorg: Why do you say ntpdate is getting called and getting the port first? It's not supposed to work that way. |
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| 18:06.36 | jetscreamer | used to be you either used ntp OR ntpdate .... not sure about atm |
| 18:06.39 | Vorg | I asked in the ntp newsgroup and posted the log error. that is what I was told was going on |
| 18:06.55 | corey_ | !seen stew |
| 18:06.56 | dpkg | stew <nullidentd@stew.user.oftc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-ops, 17d 20h 33m 35s ago, saying: '#debian-russian?'. |
| 18:06.58 | liable | hark: the new super duper fglrx released tommorow apparently |
| 18:07.14 | Vorg | Maybe a bug in the installer didn't disable somthing when apt-get install ntp? |
| 18:07.21 | jetscreamer | !time warp liable |
| 18:07.22 | xingu | !ntpdate |
| 18:07.22 | dpkg | ntpdate is probably a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP-servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). ask me about ntp. Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just run ntp-server, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/defaults/ntp. |
| 18:07.34 | jetscreamer | !timewarp liable |
| 18:07.38 | jetscreamer | dang |
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| 18:07.53 | liable | jetscreamer: i am already in a timewarp. your tomorrow is my today ;) |
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| 18:08.02 | chops | Vorg: I have ntp-simple and ntpdate both installed on my etch system, and I've never seen problems. |
| 18:08.09 | xingu | Vorg: iotw get rid of ntpdate, it's redundant |
| 18:08.13 | jetscreamer | !timewarp |
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| 18:08.26 | jetscreamer | how can there be no timewarp factoid omg |
| 18:08.31 | azzzz | omg that is a mess, i dont want to use nvidia installer either. |
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| 18:08.37 | jetscreamer | yeah i'm lazy |
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| 18:08.46 | jetscreamer | but it's extremely functional |
| 18:08.56 | jetscreamer | i even have it scripted |
| 18:08.56 | liable | then your screwed i gues |
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| 18:09.10 | Vorg | I used apt-get install ntp-server ntp-simple before on my old system, but server and simple seem to have been replaced with ntp |
| 18:09.23 | chops | Vorg: What release are you running? |
| 18:09.29 | somian | Heya folks. Basic theory-of-block storage question here. If you are storing only a few large files on a GNU/Linux ext3 filesystem, the filesystem in fact needs fewer inodes to do its job? is that right? |
| 18:09.37 | jetscreamer | yeah they changed the ntp stuff up a ways back but i know nothing |
| 18:09.37 | Jabka | what changes i need to do rules file that had been created with dh_make to use the correct manfile ? (http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/s/smser/) |
| 18:09.38 | Vorg | ntp? think its 4.2 |
| 18:10.13 | chops | Vorg: Debian release |
| 18:10.25 | chops | Vorg: Oh, lenny |
| 18:10.26 | GooZ | how to see what directories are being written to in the system |
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| 18:10.41 | Vorg | lenny. Dl'd testing iso a couple nights ago |
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| 18:10.59 | liable | GooZ: what do you mean? |
| 18:11.04 | kalve | How do I change the language on a Debian installation? |
| 18:11.07 | xingu | Vorg: get rid of ntpdate; install ntp; set up using -g command-line opt and iburst ntp.conf opt as per dpkg hint above. |
| 18:11.07 | kalve | This is Debian etch. |
| 18:11.25 | chops | Vorg: What error message did they say indicated that ntpdate was grabbing the port? That doesn't make any sense to me. That said, getting rid of ntpdate as others suggest sounds like a fine solution to me. |
| 18:11.33 | GooZ | i mean i run dh -c , and i see space being depleted by i dont know what or where it's being writen to |
| 18:11.34 | Vorg | just a sec |
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| 18:11.54 | GooZ | i mean df |
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| 18:12.24 | xingu | chops: at a guess ntpdate is backgrounding because it can't sync and the debian ntp (as in, xntpd) init script isn't busy-waiting for ntpdate to exit. |
| 18:12.32 | liable | GooZ: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump; tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
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| 18:13.26 | linux_jones | if i set up remote desktop, will i be able to log into that from a windows computer? |
| 18:13.29 | GooZ | empty |
| 18:13.31 | corey_ | abrotman any quick fix for that pesky resolvconf or I should just not install it next time ;-( |
| 18:13.39 | abrotman | corey_: haven't seen the error |
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| 18:13.43 | GooZ | nothing in kernlog |
| 18:13.50 | GooZ | wait |
| 18:13.53 | Vorg | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.59 | Vorg | from syslog |
| 18:14.17 | corey_ | abrotman avahi won't load no error...nothing will connect with network manager. |
| 18:14.25 | xingu | somian: yes |
| 18:14.26 | Vorg | only way to start was afte loging in. |
| 18:14.40 | somian | xingu: thank you muchly |
| 18:14.46 | chops | Vorg: Huh. Well, anyway, I agree with the others that you should just uninstall ntpdate and see if that fixes it for you (since there's no reason to have it installed along with ntp). |
| 18:14.52 | jetscreamer | uninstall ntpdate was the recommended thingy back then |
| 18:14.58 | jetscreamer | iirc |
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| 18:15.31 | jetscreamer | i love using technical terminology like thingy |
| 18:15.33 | Vorg | It was installed by default during linux install. just have to remove it afterwards manually then I guess |
| 18:15.34 | pickcoder | I use ntpdate to set highly slewed clocks before turning on ntpd |
| 18:15.42 | xingu | pickcoder: don't. |
| 18:15.48 | pickcoder | been doing it for years |
| 18:15.50 | xingu | pickcoder: -g, iburst like the hint says. |
| 18:16.00 | linux_jones | if i set up remote desktop, will i be able to log into that from a windows computer? |
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| 18:16.17 | py_ | hello |
| 18:16.18 | pickcoder | linux_jones: rdesktop, if that's what you're talking about, is a client |
| 18:16.25 | chops | linux_jones: I don't believe so. For that you probably want remote X. |
| 18:16.54 | corey_ | linux_jones use ssh and a windows x client unless you need a full desktop |
| 18:17.03 | GooZ | dirtied inode means exactly what? |
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| 18:17.11 | not_benh | hello all, I'm currently on a Ubuntu box (7.04) but this non-rolling distro thing is really starting to get to me. Is there any Ubuntu -> Debian Testing howtos ? I did a search on google and didnt come up with any thing. Did I totaly miss it? or is it just not possible? |
| 18:17.14 | GooZ | freed from memory? |
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| 18:17.28 | chops | corey_: Even if you need a full desktop. IIRC cygwin X server is capable of running all its windows in a big root window on your Windows machine. |
| 18:17.28 | linux_jones | corey_, what would be the diffrence in remote x and remote desktop? |
| 18:17.34 | pickcoder | I use TightVNC for doze |
| 18:17.41 | pickcoder | to connect to an X session |
| 18:17.49 | py_ | Is there a way for an userspace application to get notifyied when a kernel Oops happens? |
| 18:18.09 | chops | py_: Monitor the kernel log? |
| 18:18.12 | corey_ | chops I just use the compiled .exe |
| 18:18.13 | Vorg | removing ntpdate fixed it, thanks |
| 18:18.48 | corey_ | linux_jones remote x sessions can start gui progs through a windows x client |
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| 18:19.08 | corey_ | linux_jones just remember to forward X through ssh |
| 18:19.19 | xdr | agp] AGP not available |
| 18:19.19 | xdr | (EE) RADEON(0): [agp] AGP failed to initialize. Disabling the DRI. |
| 18:19.19 | xdr | (II) RADEON(0): [agp] You may want to make sure the agpgart kernel mod |
| 18:19.23 | xdr | wgat is wrong? |
| 18:19.37 | chops | linux_jones: They are two totally different solutions that both give you access to a remote computer's graphical display |
| 18:20.02 | corey_ | linux_jones but ssh is more secure ;-) |
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| 18:22.05 | jetscreamer | you don't have agpgart loaded? |
| 18:22.26 | jetscreamer | or the chipset specific agp module |
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| 18:22.51 | jetscreamer | try modprobe agpgart |
| 18:23.06 | jetscreamer | and/or agp-yourchip |
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| 18:23.28 | jetscreamer | lsmod | grep -i agp ? |
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| 18:24.30 | corey_ | I need HELP! |
| 18:24.57 | liable | many of us do |
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| 18:28.29 | ricosecada | Hi, I have a small webserver running debian stable. I have done nothing but install PHP and Apache with MySQL, and haven't needed more until now. Now I would like to be able to use PHP mail function, what would be the most easy and simple SMTP server to use for that purpose? I don't need regular mail handeling. |
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| 18:29.29 | abrotman | exim or postfix |
| 18:29.58 | bergheim | ricosecada: ssmtp |
| 18:30.27 | adama | It works!! |
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| 18:30.30 | adama | finally |
| 18:30.51 | dcnoye | i am looking to find a way to admin about 50+ machines without going out of my mind... any suggestions? |
| 18:30.54 | ricosecada | bergheim, thank you! |
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| 18:31.28 | rarj | If I install fluxbox, will my all my KDE apps show up in it ? |
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| 18:31.45 | CMA | rarj, yes |
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| 18:32.26 | rarj | CMA: Thanks. :-) |
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| 18:34.34 | rarj | Any way I can setup a static ip, gateway, dns without editing the interfaces file ? |
| 18:34.49 | rarj | through the command line, i mean |
| 18:35.07 | CMA | ifconfig? |
| 18:35.32 | rarj | cma: ok |
| 18:35.33 | XJih78 | is there a useful widget that shows profound quotes of great thinkers? |
| 18:35.34 | Gathond | why does using a command line mean you cant edit the file? |
| 18:35.51 | Gathond | but ifconfig or ip should do, although those settings will not be permanent |
| 18:36.11 | kalve | why can't you edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 18:36.11 | XJih78 | if anybody is familiar with one i like to know... and, possibly, get in touch with a person that's into it. |
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| 18:37.01 | liable | fortune but its not a widget |
| 18:37.15 | rarj | Gathond, I was just curious. |
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| 18:37.20 | kalve | isn't there a fortune widget? |
| 18:37.26 | codynotes | Hmm, parted really doesn't make resizing partitions easy. It won't let you change the start location of a partition. Since the enormous partition I want to downsize is the last partition, and the small partition I want to increase is near the front, I can't do anything without deleting all the partitions and recreating them. |
| 18:37.34 | codynotes | There has to be an easier way to do this? |
| 18:37.36 | xingu | kalve: does noseguy count? |
| 18:37.42 | rarj | Gathond, getting used to the command line |
| 18:37.59 | CMA | codynotes, gparted? |
| 18:38.02 | kalve | :p |
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| 18:38.07 | chops | codynotes: There is not a straightforward way to resize _and_ _move_ a partition that I know of. |
| 18:38.11 | Gathond | rarj: good, the right way would still be editing the file though>:) |
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| 18:38.29 | Gathond | rarj: or at least the permanent way |
| 18:38.30 | liable | Gathond: whats wrong with using ifconfig? |
| 18:38.34 | chops | codynotes: Using LVM makes this easier, but that doesn't help you right now :-( |
| 18:38.44 | Gathond | liable: it not being permanent:) |
| 18:38.48 | XJih78 | liable: good. i know of it. :) thanks. |
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| 18:39.09 | codynotes | Yeah, I didn't set up LVM because I didn't understand what it was for and I figured less complicated was better =P |
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| 18:39.13 | JordiGH | Aaarrghh.. Is there a way to force the Debian installer to NOT download security updates. |
| 18:39.13 | JordiGH | ? |
| 18:39.20 | chops | codynotes: Less complicated often is better |
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| 18:39.35 | liable | JordiGH: unplug the net |
| 18:39.38 | JordiGH | I've tried using the "choose mirror" installer component to give the installer a proxy, but it doesn't obey the proxy information. |
| 18:39.55 | JordiGH | liable: Then I have to wait for it to time out looking for security updates. This is a bug imao. |
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| 18:40.09 | rarj | Any way of stopping the OpenOffice Writer from coming up when Debian boots (when quickstart is active) ? |
| 18:40.21 | chops | codynotes: Is there any chance of shrinking the beginning-of-disk partition, making a new one in the newly-freed space, transferring the data from the ending-of-disk partition to the newly created one, and then expanding the newly-created one over the old ending-of-disk one? |
| 18:40.27 | liable | whenever the installer freaks out on downloading shit, its just easier to not have the net plugged in when you install |
| 18:40.38 | liable | JordiGH: so file a bug |
| 18:40.44 | rarj | So far, disabling quickstart seems to be the only option I have found ! |
| 18:41.00 | JordiGH | liable: What's the package that should receive the bug? debian-installer? Is that a package? /me looks. |
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| 18:41.30 | xerophyte | how can search with find files which are create 2 days ago or newer ? |
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| 18:41.47 | codynotes | chops: Hmm, I could do that. But the end of disk one is currently a couple gigabytes, and the only thing I could do at the end would be extend the /tmp filesystem into the old end-of-disk one. |
| 18:41.52 | codynotes | That seems like kind of a waste |
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| 18:41.59 | JordiGH | liable: Looks like they've already filed it and fixed it... but it was post etch. :-( #439587 |
| 18:42.02 | baktaah | excuse me, could someone please help me install agn 4965 AGN intel wireless? |
| 18:42.04 | codynotes | Current end-of-disk one is 10GB, actually |
| 18:42.08 | baktaah | liable, |
| 18:42.14 | baktaah | Im in Debian now |
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| 18:42.26 | somian | xerophyte: I think the 'find' info page explains well |
| 18:42.27 | codynotes | CMA suggested gparted though, and it seems like it might be able to move and resize... |
| 18:42.36 | chops | codynotes: That would be nifty, yes |
| 18:42.51 | liable | baktaah: ok, apt-get install build-essential |
| 18:43.03 | baktaah | liable, is this through ndwiswrapper? |
| 18:43.04 | somian | xerophyte: iirc, *nix doesn't have a "create time" -- it has an inode change time. |
| 18:43.18 | liable | baktaah: what do you mean? |
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| 18:43.46 | baktaah | liable, is this with ndwiswrapper |
| 18:43.48 | baktaah | windows drivers? |
| 18:44.01 | JordiGH | Thanks for hearing me vent. |
| 18:44.18 | liable | baktaah: is what with ndiswrapper? |
| 18:44.39 | baktaah | are you helping me install my wifi wit ndiswrapper or are we using linux drivers, and first can you help me add my user in the sudoers file? |
| 18:44.42 | baktaah | so I can sudo |
| 18:44.59 | liable | baktaah: no, its for linux drivers |
| 18:45.08 | liable | baktaah: and no, you can use root for now |
| 18:45.16 | baktaah | I need to relog then into root |
| 18:45.23 | CMA | I Love SU -C :p |
| 18:45.33 | liable | baktaah: just log in with su at a terminal |
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| 18:45.47 | baktaah | whats the difference between su and sudo ? |
| 18:46.21 | jetscreamer | how long |
| 18:46.24 | jetscreamer | it lasts |
| 18:46.34 | CMA | man su, man sudo |
| 18:46.47 | baktaah | CMA oh so SU is like forever, while sudo is for each command? |
| 18:46.50 | jelly | baktaah: do |
| 18:47.00 | baktaah | because when I typed SU i had to type the root password |
| 18:47.00 | Supaplex | baktaah: su always requires the root password. sudo can require one or the other, or none, allow certian commands. etc. |
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| 18:47.11 | CMA | you can use su -c 'command' |
| 18:47.21 | baktaah | cma okay so I dont need sudoers then :) |
| 18:47.24 | CMA | sudo is bad |
| 18:47.32 | baktaah | anyway liable I got build-essential |
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| 18:47.40 | baktaah | it required cd though :/ |
| 18:47.44 | jelly | CMA: for business? |
| 18:47.48 | liable | this is going to be painfull.. |
| 18:47.57 | baktaah | liable, hehe please bare with me :) |
| 18:47.58 | CMA | i no speak english, sorry |
| 18:48.00 | Supaplex | CMA: only in california ;) |
| 18:48.01 | liable | baktaah: do you have net access at all on that box? |
| 18:48.05 | baktaah | liable, yeah |
| 18:48.09 | baktaah | It just asked me to insert cd |
| 18:48.19 | jetscreamer | remove cd source |
| 18:48.21 | Supaplex | !tell baktaah -about sources.list |
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| 18:48.28 | jetscreamer | from sources.list |
| 18:48.35 | jetscreamer | then apt-get update |
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| 18:49.04 | CMA | su is for switch user id, sudo is for exec commands with uid 0 and local user password |
| 18:49.07 | baktaah | jetscreamer, done |
| 18:49.11 | liable | baktaah: |
| 18:49.13 | jelly | CMA: I've just given user A permission to run only command C as user B. you can't do that with su unless you give him passwords. |
| 18:49.23 | jetscreamer | now apt-get dist-upgrade :p |
| 18:49.24 | baktaah | liable, I removed cd from sources I just got ftp.sunet.debian.se |
| 18:49.32 | baktaah | jetscreamer, done that too |
| 18:49.43 | liable | baktaah: copy this link into your browser http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.22-2-686_2.6.22-4_i386.deb |
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| 18:49.57 | baktaah | japanese ? |
| 18:50.05 | jetscreamer | no just the site |
| 18:50.35 | baktaah | oh anyway I think I got 22-4 installed |
| 18:50.49 | liable | no |
| 18:50.57 | baktaah | i updated right after installation |
| 18:51.04 | liable | http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686_2.6.22-4_i386.deb that too |
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| 18:51.27 | liable | http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-kbuild-2.6/linux-kbuild-2.6.22_2.6.22-1_i386.deb |
| 18:51.32 | jetscreamer | update now was my idea... got security source? |
| 18:51.38 | CMA | su is for switch user id, it ask password for this id, sudo ask current user password and execs with uid 0 |
| 18:51.41 | xdr | is it safe to change your filesystem on the rootdisk with gpart? |
| 18:51.48 | baktaah | liable, both= |
| 18:51.49 | jetscreamer | no |
| 18:51.59 | liable | http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.22-2_2.6.22-4_i386.deb |
| 18:52.08 | liable | baktaah: all of them that i am pastting |
| 18:52.12 | jetscreamer | unless you want to lose the data |
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| 18:52.22 | badcfe | is there some handy way of tapping the bits going thu my audio mixer? |
| 18:52.22 | jetscreamer | i meant xdr no |
| 18:53.04 | xdr | hmm |
| 18:53.06 | xdr | ouch |
| 18:53.10 | liable | http://ftp.jp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-4_all.deb |
| 18:53.25 | baktaah | liable, you got any better mirrors, it says it will finish about 2 hours |
| 18:53.33 | Supaplex | badcfe: as in recording audio-out ? |
| 18:53.54 | badcfe | Supaplex: yes |
| 18:54.29 | cahoot | isn't irqbalance deprecated anyway? |
| 18:54.40 | CMA | ohhh 'sudo allows a permitted user to execute a command as the superuser or another user' |
| 18:54.51 | liable | baktaah: you can search for those packages at packages.debian.org |
| 18:54.56 | CMA | ' or as another user '... |
| 18:55.00 | badcfe | Supaplex: can i place a tee there somewhere and dump the bits to a file.wav? |
| 18:55.02 | liable | baktaah: and choose whatever mirror you want |
| 18:56.14 | Supaplex | badcfe: some cards support record on audio-out. what app is playing it? Maybe it supports writing to disk or something. |
| 18:56.43 | cahoot | badcfe:http://www.mail-archive.com/alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg19758.html |
| 18:57.30 | xingu | hmm |
| 18:57.52 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.54 | baktaah | liable, can you name the packages? |
| 18:58.17 | badcfe | Supaplex: proprietary mp3 player in the browser hehe |
| 18:58.23 | liable | baktaah: i gave you the names in the above links |
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| 18:59.32 | baktaah | You have searched for packages that names contain linux-image-2.6.22-2-686_2.6.22-4_i386.deb in suite(s) stable, all sections, and all architectures Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 18:59.32 | liable | linux-image-2.6.22-2-686 linux-headers-2.6.22-2-686 linux-kbuild-2.6.22 linux-headers-2.6.22-2 linux-source-2.6.22 |
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| 18:59.48 | qmr | So, I am new admin on this dumb centos box |
| 18:59.57 | qmr | sux :( |
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| 19:00.25 | lrp | hey tehre i need some info abo9ut real time services in parallel real time |
| 19:00.40 | lrp | its heartbet no ? |
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| 19:02.22 | baktaah | thanks liable I will let you know when they all are done or= |
| 19:02.34 | jetscreamer | centos rocks |
| 19:02.59 | jetscreamer | much better than rhel imo |
| 19:03.15 | jetscreamer | i was stuck with rh, then centos |
| 19:03.19 | lrp | mmm |
| 19:03.21 | jetscreamer | i was like 'thank god' |
| 19:03.23 | dkr | it's the same code, isn't it? :) |
| 19:03.24 | lrp | i dont like centos |
| 19:03.40 | qmr | jetscreamer: please to be telling me how to install yum :p |
| 19:03.42 | jetscreamer | i just know the rh was always going down |
| 19:03.45 | qmr | or better yet, apt :p |
| 19:03.51 | jetscreamer | there is apt-get for rpm |
| 19:03.53 | dkr | centos is to rhel as iceweasel is to firefox. :) |
| 19:04.01 | abrotman | qmr: ask #centos |
| 19:04.07 | jetscreamer | yum works though |
| 19:04.12 | qmr | abrotman: yea, tried that :p |
| 19:04.13 | abrotman | dkr: buggy and bloated ? |
| 19:04.20 | baktaah | liable, I am done |
| 19:04.20 | abrotman | qmr: then go back and try again .. |
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| 19:04.34 | dkr | abrotman: the same code recompiled with minor naming/icon changes |
| 19:04.36 | baktaah | liable, btw, It says I should use synaptic/aptitude to get these instead of downloading them like this |
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| 19:05.13 | liable | baktaah: are all those files on your desktop? |
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| 19:05.44 | baktaah | yes |
| 19:05.53 | liable | baktaah: cd into that directory |
| 19:07.13 | baktaah | there |
| 19:07.38 | liable | baktaah: dpkg -i linux*.deb |
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| 19:08.21 | baktaah | should I extract the files |
| 19:08.47 | baktaah | and does it matter what file i "dpkg -i xx.deb" first? |
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| 19:09.08 | liable | baktaah: just type what i wrote |
| 19:09.34 | lrp | is that true that the linux-ha proyect is no longer avaliable because the xhen tecnology is better ? |
| 19:09.34 | baktaah | its unpacking and stuff now |
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| 19:10.19 | liable | baktaah: paste the output from that command onto a paste site |
| 19:10.27 | baktaah | !pastebin |
| 19:10.28 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 19:11.01 | qmr | http://daecom.biz/paste ;) |
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| 19:11.37 | baktaah | liable, http://pastebin.ca/692433 |
| 19:11.39 | baktaah | got two errors |
| 19:12.05 | user_ | howdy all, I have debian etch installed on comp, and when I mount the win part, konqueror can't open the location /media/win |
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| 19:12.32 | qmr | user_: check the permissions |
| 19:12.53 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 19:12.54 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 19:12.59 | user_ | qmr: the permissions parts are not active, i can't change them |
| 19:13.21 | jetscreamer | man mount |
| 19:13.24 | user_ | how can I make my user be able to read the win part? |
| 19:13.33 | jetscreamer | by reading the above |
| 19:13.36 | liable | baktaah: ok, thats a pain in the ass, but hopefully we can work around it |
| 19:13.44 | baktaah | liable, is that so |
| 19:13.48 | baktaah | yeah hopefully |
| 19:13.51 | liable | baktaah: reboot into the 22 kernel |
| 19:13.56 | baktaah | okay will do cya |
| 19:14.01 | baktaah | are the multiple 22 kernels? |
| 19:14.02 | jetscreamer | i swear i'm going to make an mwilsonsmite factoid |
| 19:14.04 | user_ | ok, i will try, thanks |
| 19:14.10 | liable | baktaah: no |
| 19:14.22 | jetscreamer | user_: id to find out who you are |
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| 19:18.03 | xingu | I've seen some wrong things in my time, but... http://users.tellurian.com/vabello/bathroom-demarc.jpg ... :) |
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| 19:18.10 | baktaah | liable, done |
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| 19:18.44 | liable | baktaah: cd /usr/src |
| 19:18.48 | Bracki | After updating from sarge phpmyadmin is broken on etch. All i get is an empty page. Any hints? |
| 19:18.56 | baktaah | liable, done |
| 19:19.05 | liable | baktaah: tar jxf linux-source-2.6.22.tar.bz2 |
| 19:19.24 | baktaah | done |
| 19:20.07 | liable | baktaah: cp /boot/config-2.6.22-2-686 linux-source-2.6.22/.config |
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| 19:20.38 | baktaah | cp or cd |
| 19:20.51 | jetscreamer | cp |
| 19:20.52 | liable | baktaah: cd linux-source-2.6.22; make oldconfig; make prepare |
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| 19:20.56 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 19:20.56 | liable | cp |
| 19:21.30 | baktaah | nothing happend with the /.config |
| 19:21.35 | liable | thats ok |
| 19:21.35 | jetscreamer | tar xzjf ? |
| 19:22.07 | baktaah | liable, done with the make install too |
| 19:22.09 | baktaah | I mean make prepare |
| 19:22.23 | lcafiero | I just installed 4.0 via the net install on an iBook and I have a split screen with a thick black line running down the center. How do I fix that? |
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| 19:22.31 | liable | baktaah: ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686/source |
| 19:22.35 | liable | baktaah: ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.22 /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-686/build |
| 19:22.42 | liable | do both |
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| 19:23.08 | baktaah | done |
| 19:23.10 | liable | baktaah: cd ../ |
| 19:23.11 | baktaah | no output |
| 19:23.26 | baktaah | done |
| 19:23.28 | liable | wget http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-1.0.0.tgz |
| 19:23.41 | baktaah | shouldnt I use the latest one? |
| 19:23.54 | liable | just get that one |
| 19:23.58 | baktaah | done |
| 19:24.13 | liable | for someone who is being spoonfed, you sure ask a lot of questions.. |
| 19:24.20 | liable | tar jxf iwlwifi-1.0.0.tgz |
| 19:24.20 | baktaah | Im curious :) |
| 19:24.24 | baktaah | and thanks for feeding me |
| 19:24.38 | liable | cd iwlwifi-1.0.0 |
| 19:24.46 | baktaah | this is not a bzip2 file |
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| 19:24.56 | liable | your lucky that i am curious myself whether this will work on etch :) |
| 19:24.59 | baktaah | jxf ? |
| 19:25.06 | baktaah | liable, so Im just an experiment |
| 19:25.12 | baktaah | i thought you had done this before :) |
| 19:25.21 | liable | baktaah: tar zxf |
| 19:25.29 | liable | baktaah: i have, but not on an etch box |
| 19:25.44 | baktaah | after cd iwlifi then what |
| 19:25.53 | liable | baktaah: and not without kernel-headers from debian, but we should be ok |
| 19:26.08 | liable | make |
| 19:26.16 | liable | the moment of truth |
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| 19:26.38 | jetscreamer | (drumroll please) |
| 19:26.44 | baktaah | !pastebin |
| 19:26.44 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 19:26.46 | gnudo | i have an Alcatel One Touch 801E mobile phone which is not compatible with gammu/wammu .the mobile has neither bluetooth nor infrared. how can i access its phone directory on gnu/linux? is there any gui app for that??? |
| 19:26.46 | liable | heh |
| 19:27.15 | baktaah | http://pastebin.ca/692458 |
| 19:27.21 | baktaah | :) as you can guess not so lucky |
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| 19:28.14 | liable | baktaah: ok, cd into the linux-source again |
| 19:28.25 | liable | baktaah: and make in there |
| 19:28.32 | baktaah | /usr/src ? |
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| 19:28.43 | liable | linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 19:29.10 | baktaah | done |
| 19:29.21 | liable | make |
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| 19:29.28 | baktaah | yeah make is done |
| 19:29.41 | liable | hrm, paste the output |
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| 19:30.00 | orlandoj_ | Hi all, i'm with an problem with an Debian. I upgraded with apt-get upgrade -f dist-upgrade. The X server stopped. Now, i remove the package xfree86-common, and the Xserver is working now. |
| 19:30.01 | baktaah | its a veeeeeeeeeeeeery lonh list |
| 19:30.03 | baktaah | long |
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| 19:30.28 | orlandoj_ | and when i log off in the X server |
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| 19:30.31 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xorg orlandoj |
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| 19:31.10 | orlandoj_ | jetscreamer, thanks ! |
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| 19:33.41 | baktaah | liable, dude |
| 19:33.45 | baktaah | it is still working on that make |
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| 19:33.57 | liable | thats ok |
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| 19:33.58 | jetscreamer | that would be normal |
| 19:34.04 | jetscreamer | what cpu |
| 19:34.11 | baktaah | c2d santa rosa |
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| 19:34.16 | baktaah | 1.8 |
| 19:34.20 | jetscreamer | shouldn't take too much longer |
| 19:34.23 | jetscreamer | be happy |
| 19:34.30 | baktaah | but im running on battery so I guess its underclocked |
| 19:34.34 | jetscreamer | mine would be a LOT longer |
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| 19:34.45 | liable | 10 minutes prolly |
| 19:34.56 | baktaah | just gonna get the adapter and give the cpu some more juice |
| 19:35.09 | baktaah | I hate how much batterytime vista drains |
| 19:35.13 | baktaah | and Im running without aero |
| 19:35.17 | baktaah | even having the classic 2000 look |
| 19:35.45 | liable | baktaah: what does uname -a output? |
| 19:35.52 | baktaah | not done yet |
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| 19:36.02 | jetscreamer | use a diff console |
| 19:36.05 | liable | you can type that in another term |
| 19:36.16 | baktaah | 22-2 686 |
| 19:36.23 | liable | the whole line |
| 19:36.29 | baktaah | Linux bl 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:36.41 | baktaah | Yeah I have to fix my time |
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| 19:36.59 | jetscreamer | no that's when the kernel got compiled |
| 19:37.01 | Supaplex | I thought that was the build time |
| 19:37.01 | liable | sorry, cat /proc/version |
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| 19:37.17 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 19:37.36 | jetscreamer | bl ? |
| 19:37.36 | baktaah | Linux version 2.6.22-2-686 (Debian 2.6.22-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20070812 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-15)) #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007 |
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| 19:37.54 | liable | k |
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| 19:38.39 | liable | might need to make the kernel anyway |
| 19:38.42 | orlandoj_ | after i upgraded the Debian and when i log off in the X server, the machine frozen. O install the xorg |
| 19:40.08 | baktaah | liable, should I format, and how do I remove all the crap I made now then? |
| 19:40.22 | baktaah | I want a clean fresh installation without a lot of crap in the background or stuff taking space |
| 19:40.23 | liable | baktaah: no, just let it finish what its doing |
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| 19:41.48 | jetscreamer | i've seen the fix for that behaviour somewhere orlandoj ... but i don't remember where, and i have to walk out the door. now. |
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| 19:46.09 | jelly | is there a way to mark bad blocks on udf? |
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| 19:47.02 | jelly | or an alternate question: what's a good rw filesystem for dvd+rw media |
| 19:47.02 | roxy_ | I have to go via a proxy to reach my home computer with ssh. Is there a way to still have X. When trying twice ssh -X , it's not aborting with: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting. |
| 19:47.23 | DustyDingo | what is the default video output mode of mplayer, i have an ati X1400 video card |
| 19:48.14 | DustyDingo | my problem is, that i can't zoom in with the default video output and with sdl the quality gets very bad, when i change to fullscreen |
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| 19:48.26 | liable | if you run it on the cli, it says what output it uses |
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| 19:49.20 | liable | mplayer -vo help |
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| 19:49.49 | liable | hrm, i wonder if make scripts would have done |
| 19:49.57 | jelly | DustyBin: have you read the manual? It suggests using -vo xv. |
| 19:50.04 | jelly | er |
| 19:50.09 | jelly | DustyDingo: have you read the manual? It suggests using -vo xv. |
| 19:50.22 | jelly | ?too much dust error |
| 19:50.25 | roxy_ | I presume I have to use the L option, but I can't find out in what way. Could someone provide me with an exemple. |
| 19:50.37 | liable | hehe |
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| 19:51.23 | liable | baktaah: is it still compiling? |
| 19:51.59 | baktaah | liable, yes |
| 19:52.02 | baktaah | what have you done :D |
| 19:52.09 | MTecknology | what's a good text based spreadsheet? |
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| 19:52.20 | liable | baktaah: just giving your new cpu a workout :P |
| 19:52.26 | zerohero | hi, quick question |
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| 19:52.35 | baktaah | liable, it wont f*ck it up will it? |
| 19:52.38 | jelly | zerohero: quick answer. |
| 19:52.40 | baktaah | because I can hear the fan going crazy |
| 19:52.42 | jelly | next! |
| 19:52.45 | logd | is there a way to install languages different from english for ktts to use?§ |
| 19:52.56 | zerohero | can you use a higher refresh rate with the vesa driver or is it locked to 60hz (or something)? |
| 19:53.00 | zerohero | jelly: ;) |
| 19:53.05 | baktaah | zerohero, drives, screen etc. |
| 19:53.06 | liable | baktaah: it shouldnt be much longer. and no, it wont, thats what the are made to do... it will get hot though, yes. |
| 19:53.12 | baktaah | if you got a laptop then its locked to 60hz |
| 19:53.19 | zerohero | no laptop |
| 19:53.27 | baktaah | liable, while we are at it |
| 19:53.30 | baktaah | I got another issue |
| 19:53.34 | jelly | zerohero: do you have a CRT or a LCD monitor? |
| 19:53.38 | zerohero | jelly: crt |
| 19:53.39 | baktaah | Im running vesa right now with my 8600mobile nvidia gpu |
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| 19:53.43 | liable | baktaah: i know nothing of nvidia :P |
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| 19:53.52 | baktaah | oh okay |
| 19:54.02 | baktaah | well and as you can assume its not precisly 3d accelerated atm |
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| 19:54.08 | baktaah | but.. Il google the answer for that |
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| 19:55.30 | jelly | zerohero: linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt says: "There is no way to change the vesafb video mode and/or timings after booting linux. If you are not happy with the 60 Hz refresh rate, you have these options: [...] use a native driver (matroxfb/atyfb) instead if vesafb. |
| 19:55.47 | DustyDingo | jelly: it seems that mplayer uses xvideo as standard output |
| 19:56.06 | DustyDingo | unfortunately this is broken for me :( |
| 19:56.18 | zerohero | jelly: ok... no native driver for this machine, atm... |
| 19:56.20 | jelly | DustyDingo: if your card has OpenGL drivers, youcan try that (-vo gl2 or -vo gl) |
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| 19:57.28 | baktaah | liable, you said 10m |
| 19:57.29 | baktaah | gone 20 |
| 19:57.31 | baktaah | :) |
| 19:57.44 | baktaah | maybe I should just reinstall debian again |
| 19:57.49 | liable | baktaah: no |
| 19:57.56 | DustyDingo | jelly: by now i am lucky to get 1400x1050 2d out of this card |
| 19:58.04 | baktaah | dude we have installed so much crap and stuff, isnt it better to do it on a fresh installation? |
| 19:58.05 | liable | baktaah: dude, you dont just reinstall linux like windows |
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| 19:58.26 | liable | baktaah: we have installed hardly anything |
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| 19:58.44 | Robert | Hello. I've created a kernel package for the latest stable kernel on etch, and everything seems to work fine until the kernel has booted. I use encryption/lvm, and it complains that /dev/sda2 can't be found. I think the correct modules are compiled into the kernel, so I'm wondering how this could be fixed. |
| 19:58.46 | jelly | DustyDingo: ati's binary drivers don't work for you? |
| 19:58.47 | liable | oh dear |
| 19:58.55 | liable | baktaah: hit ctrl c |
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| 19:59.02 | baktaah | liable, no way :) |
| 19:59.04 | baktaah | why? |
| 19:59.05 | liable | bot attack? |
| 19:59.09 | jelly | !ops quick, do something |
| 19:59.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly complains about: quick, do something |
| 19:59.16 | liable | baktaah: i have a new idea |
| 19:59.18 | jelly | ;-) |
| 19:59.28 | baktaah | liable, please if i ctrl C can we remove the things it did |
| 19:59.32 | baktaah | Im sorta of a control freak |
| 19:59.37 | baktaah | I need to get a hang of stuff and organized |
| 19:59.44 | baktaah | like....monica from the Friends Show |
| 19:59.46 | baktaah | but still new folders have been created and stuff, I like it organized :( and we have installed new stuff |
| 19:59.49 | jelly | sweet |
| 19:59.57 | liable | baktaah: it doesnt delete anything, it just stops the make |
| 20:00.04 | liable | guess i was right :) |
| 20:00.05 | baktaah | done |
| 20:00.16 | baktaah | what about delete the stuff it made and the other stuff we did earlier |
| 20:00.49 | liable | baktaah: ffs, please just stop being annoying while i try and fix things for you |
| 20:00.55 | baktaah | okay okay sorry |
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| 20:01.05 | MTecknology | How can I get slsc from repo? |
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| 20:01.10 | liable | baktaah: make scripts |
| 20:01.16 | baktaah | huh ? |
| 20:01.23 | liable | baktaah: type it |
| 20:01.33 | baktaah | done |
| 20:01.33 | liable | baktaah: then cd back to the iwlwifi dir |
| 20:01.40 | liable | and make again |
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| 20:01.56 | baktaah | /usr/src/iwlwifi ? |
| 20:02.16 | baktaah | is that correct iwlwifi got like -10110 after it |
| 20:02.17 | baktaah | I tabbed |
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| 20:02.28 | liable | yes, tab is your friend |
| 20:02.31 | baktaah | done |
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| 20:02.36 | liable | make |
| 20:02.55 | baktaah | yeah made make |
| 20:03.01 | liable | make install |
| 20:03.43 | baktaah | done but it install 3945 |
| 20:04.06 | liable | paste the output |
| 20:04.14 | bazz | so, i have a package that wants libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4), and i have libqt3-mt 3:3.3.7-6 installed which replaces libqt3c102-mt, yet apt still complains that i can't install that package because libqt3c102-mt can't be installed |
| 20:04.20 | liable | it should have built 4965 too |
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| 20:05.31 | Matyo | Pls click on him afterwards you may quit: |
| 20:05.31 | Matyo | http://www.nicefaces.eu/?link=select&id=1896&voks=10 |
| 20:05.46 | liable | Matyo: dont spam us |
| 20:05.51 | gkiagia | bazz: that requires some package hacking... |
| 20:06.06 | bazz | gkiagia: of the package i want to install? |
| 20:06.07 | Matyo | ok just click pls |
| 20:06.14 | Supaplex | Matyo: FOAD |
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| 20:06.19 | Matyo | ?:P |
| 20:06.28 | Supaplex | !tell Matyo about foad |
| 20:06.34 | Matyo | -.- |
| 20:06.36 | gkiagia | yes. it needs editing to depend on the correct libqt3-mt |
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| 20:06.52 | bazz | gkiagia: so do i have to unpack it and edit the control file? |
| 20:06.57 | baktaah | !pastebin |
| 20:06.58 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
| 20:07.08 | gkiagia | that's what I would do in your case |
| 20:07.57 | baktaah | liable, http://pastebin.ca/692522 |
| 20:08.06 | bazz | so i forced the install to see if it worked, and it seems to so i'd like to not have to uninstall and loose any of my config. if i hack the package can i install over the top of the installed one to resolve the dependancy? |
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| 20:08.40 | liable | baktaah: cd ../ |
| 20:08.40 | gkiagia | yes you can replace it |
| 20:08.46 | liable | baktaah: wget http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.17.tgz |
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| 20:09.00 | liable | baktaah: tar xvf iwlwifi-3945-ucode-2.14.4.tgz |
| 20:09.11 | liable | baktaah: cp iwlwifi-3945-ucode-2.14.4/iwlwifi-3945.ucode /lib/firmware/ |
| 20:09.15 | baktaah | liable, cd ../ will get me to usr/source |
| 20:09.31 | liable | baktaah: yes. stop fucking telling me shit i am telling you |
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| 20:09.49 | baktaah | alright one more thing |
| 20:09.53 | baktaah | you said download 4965 |
| 20:09.58 | baktaah | but then tar xvf 3945 ? |
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| 20:10.40 | liable | thats hilarious. as soon as i blow a gasket, i fuck up.. |
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| 20:10.50 | baktaah | hehe I am making you tired, |
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| 20:10.59 | baktaah | Anyway I got it |
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| 20:11.12 | liable | tar xvf iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.17.tgz |
| 20:11.24 | liable | cp iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.17/iwlwifi-4965.ucode /lib/firmware/ |
| 20:11.40 | baktaah | done, done |
| 20:11.52 | liable | modprobe iwl4965 |
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| 20:12.17 | liable | please tell me no symbol problems |
| 20:12.33 | baktaah | modprobe iwlwifi-4965-ucode-4.44.17 |
| 20:12.39 | liable | modprobe iwl4965 |
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| 20:12.56 | baktaah | done |
| 20:13.06 | bazz | gkiagia: thanks |
| 20:13.09 | liable | paste the last 20 lines of dmesg |
| 20:13.11 | DustyDingo | hm, i deinstalled fglrx drivers and want to use xorg-video-ati drivers, is there a methode to automatically reconfigure the xorg.conf to use the new driver? |
| 20:13.15 | baktaah | liable, no dmesg |
| 20:13.21 | liable | type it |
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| 20:13.32 | liable | dmesg |
| 20:13.34 | tdonahue-laptop | hi all |
| 20:13.39 | jelly | s/paste/pastebin/ ! |
| 20:13.45 | themill | !tell DustyDingo about drxx |
| 20:14.00 | baktaah | liable, well its a LOOONG list |
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| 20:14.02 | baktaah | but |
| 20:14.05 | baktaah | my WLAN Works :) |
| 20:14.08 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:14.13 | baktaah | still want the 20 lines? |
| 20:14.16 | liable | no |
| 20:14.42 | baktaah | liable, is there sort of a WLAN manager for debian? |
| 20:14.42 | tdonahue-laptop | does anyone know what the trick is to making a megaraid 150-4 SATA RAID controller and a Qlogic ISP2200 with an external disk array play nice with each other? |
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| 20:14.59 | liable | baktaah: network-manager |
| 20:15.00 | baktaah | since I got to have many acces point, school, friends, home |
| 20:15.14 | DexterF | I got no systray in KDE. copied ~/.kde from another distro, had 3.5.6. some worked, some not. anyway, how do I get the systray back?Ä |
| 20:15.16 | liable | or network-manager-gnome |
| 20:15.17 | tdonahue-laptop | both work correctly when in separate machines but when installed in the same server they both start throwing timeouts when the server is booting |
| 20:15.27 | liable | i dont know much about those things |
| 20:15.47 | DustyDingo | themill: ah, xserver-xorg, not xorg ist the package, ok that solved the problem |
| 20:15.50 | jelly | tdonahue-laptop: tried switching the cards around in different PCI(-X) slots? |
| 20:16.14 | themill | DustyDingo: :) |
| 20:16.20 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly, throws off the drive enumeration and the server stops booting :( |
| 20:16.42 | jelly | tdonahue-laptop: that's not cards' problem, but your software |
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| 20:17.11 | themill | DexterF: try running kicker from the konsole. |
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| 20:17.21 | tdonahue-laptop | oh? my software, the linux kernel that is included with etch is the problem? |
| 20:17.22 | themill | DexterF: and/or kdesktop (can't remember which) |
| 20:17.30 | DexterF | themill: kicker is running |
| 20:17.32 | jelly | tdonahue-laptop: use UUID=... or LABEL=... instead of device names in fstab and in root= kernel option |
| 20:18.07 | DexterF | themill: kdesktop had no effect |
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| 20:18.28 | jelly | tdonahue-laptop: you can figure out the uuids with "blkid" command. |
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| 20:18.59 | jelly | tdonahue-laptop: also, I don't know whether disabling qla's card boot options would help |
| 20:19.03 | themill | DexterF: hmmm.... do you have the task bar down the bottom (or wherever) at all? |
| 20:19.33 | DexterF | themill: yes, it's almost all there, apart from some launchers I'm currently readding manualy. but no systray |
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| 20:19.39 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly, the qla card doesn't try and boot... at least not the last time I tried it |
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| 20:20.02 | baktaah_ | liable, THANKS |
| 20:20.04 | baktaah_ | it works GREAT |
| 20:20.05 | themill | DexterF: ok, you can add the systray to the panel from the panel -> add applet to panel |
| 20:20.15 | themill | !beer liable |
| 20:20.16 | liable | baktaah_: your connected with it? |
| 20:20.25 | baktaah_ | liable, yeah |
| 20:20.35 | liable | baktaah_: with the ethernet unplugged? |
| 20:20.41 | baktaah_ | yeah... |
| 20:20.46 | liable | sweet |
| 20:20.51 | liable | enjoy :) |
| 20:20.54 | baktaah_ | liable, network-manager seemed a bit stupid, does it exist an application for having multiple AP's in a list |
| 20:21.11 | baktaah_ | liable, will do, just got the rest to install...webcam, touchpad, fingerprint |
| 20:21.15 | baktaah_ | graphics |
| 20:21.16 | liable | baktaah_: dunno, i use wpa-supllicant for my roaming needs |
| 20:21.18 | jelly | tdonahue-laptop: well, if scsi device enumeration isn't consistent, using UUID=... instead of /dev/sda2 is the way to go. I prefer labels as they are shorter. ;-) |
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| 20:21.28 | baktaah_ | yeah network-manager doesnt have WPA support |
| 20:21.29 | baktaah_ | justWEP |
| 20:21.31 | baktaah_ | and I can hack wep |
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| 20:21.41 | DexterF | themill: d'oh :) the german l10n was misleading :) got it now, thanks |
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| 20:22.04 | thechef | netstat cuts my addresses, i can't read the ip-addresses i'm connected to. What can I do? |
| 20:22.05 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly, have a link to the correct fstab layout using uuid/labels? |
| 20:22.12 | tdonahue-laptop | it isn't in the manpage that i see |
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| 20:22.26 | tdonahue-laptop | oh wait... i lied |
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| 20:23.14 | bazz | gkiagia: that seems to have worked perfectly. thanks much |
| 20:23.16 | DexterF | um, apt wants to upgrade xserver-xorg-core from 1.1.1-21 to 1.1.1-21etch1, maintainer x strike force. sounds odd to me. can someone confirm that's ok? |
| 20:23.33 | dudetu | how can i fix my ati driver going black screen when i exit x or change to tty . x works but the rest becomes black if i exit |
| 20:23.36 | jelly | DexterF: if you're running etch, it is not odd |
| 20:23.41 | gkiagia | you're welcome bazz |
| 20:23.44 | DexterF | i am. ok |
| 20:24.07 | baktaah_ | Exuse me, is there a way I can have some sort of multiple ACCES-LIST, with network-manager I can have one |
| 20:24.21 | sander | Can anyone recommend a burning program for burning cd's? |
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| 20:24.35 | gkiagia | sander: k3b |
| 20:25.10 | jelly | gkiagia: anything on the GTK/Gnome side of the street? |
| 20:25.41 | DexterF | wasn't there.. gnometoaster or sumsuch? |
| 20:25.56 | gkiagia | there is gnome baker afaik, but never used it. k3b is the best for cd burning imho |
| 20:26.12 | abrotman | gnomebaker, graveman, k3b, nautilus |
| 20:26.31 | abrotman | hrm .. not graveman .. can't remember the name right now |
| 20:26.45 | DexterF | gnome baker, right. that wasn't too bad. if you're not biased against closed src soft, sander, you might wanna have a look at nero/linux. payware tho. I didn't think it was half bad. |
| 20:26.47 | tdonahue-laptop | jelly, does "UUID=1997f48d-32e2-4543-adb8-cfc7bc025b15 / xfs defaults 0 1 |
| 20:26.48 | tdonahue-laptop | " look right? |
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| 20:27.32 | jelly | tdonahue-laptop: it does |
| 20:27.39 | tdonahue-laptop | cool, thanks |
| 20:28.12 | jelly | tdonahue-laptop: in grub's config replace root=/dev/sda2 with root=UUID=1997.... too |
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| 20:28.31 | abrotman | eh .. brasero looks okay(if you're a gnome person) |
| 20:29.01 | jelly | I'm a Qt person using XFCE. Is that sick enough? |
| 20:29.16 | DexterF | what mechanism in debian etch handles removable meida like card readers ans usb sticks? |
| 20:29.28 | liable | qt person using xfce? |
| 20:29.42 | jelly | liable: yes. KDE is too bloated. |
| 20:29.46 | abrotman | DexterF: a few ... |
| 20:30.01 | liable | jelly: how do you use qt with xfce? |
| 20:30.17 | DexterF | abrotman: well, hal/udev, or rather pmount like it used to once? |
| 20:30.17 | abrotman | and without using kde :) |
| 20:30.21 | liable | jelly: kde-core isnt so bad |
| 20:30.25 | Supaplex | dude, a gui burning app is bloated to begin with. ;) use the shell :P |
| 20:30.28 | abrotman | DexterF: ivman? gnome-volume-manager |
| 20:30.28 | jelly | liable: i run qt apps in it |
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| 20:30.32 | liable | i am thinking of trying kde again |
| 20:30.33 | abrotman | Supaplex: you're a freak! |
| 20:30.53 | liable | jelly: oh, i do that too |
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| 20:31.07 | Supaplex | abrotman: *gasp* who let it out? ;) |
| 20:31.09 | jelly | liable: last time I tried, xfce was more responsive on a .5GB machine |
| 20:31.36 | liable | i just think gtk is too ugly |
| 20:31.41 | xdr | jelly: how do I add an app to the xfce menu? |
| 20:32.07 | abrotman | Supaplex: you're an 'it'? :) |
| 20:32.31 | liable | bring out the it! |
| 20:32.51 | Supaplex | abrotman: not anytime soon... :-d |
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| 20:33.05 | jelly | xdr: dunno, I use Debian's menu definitions and update-menus for my custom menus. |
| 20:33.32 | jelly | xdr: xfce4-menueditor sounds nice, tho |
| 20:33.57 | baktaah__ | Does anyone know of a good application to have multiple access-points like school, home, neighbour and etc? |
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| 20:34.52 | xdr | jelly: ok thx |
| 20:34.54 | sander | How can I find which burning device I'm need to use in k3b for burning? |
| 20:35.13 | liable | it has a finding thing |
| 20:35.20 | liable | searches for drives |
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| 20:35.47 | jelly | liable: gtk-qt-engine makes the ui quite consistent... it's a bit buggy, though. |
| 20:36.16 | Supaplex | !generalize gnome |
| 20:36.16 | dpkg | is too old |
| 20:36.25 | RainbowW | Is there a bittorrent client that's easy on the cpu load at high volume? i run a server on a 10mb unmetered pipe and leave my BT stuff wide-open, sometimes running 50 or 60 torrents at a time, both in and out. ktorrent kills the machine and I've never been able to make Azureus do anything other than crash on a font error. Is there an alternative? |
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| 20:36.42 | liable | jelly: i dont hate gtk that much, i just dislike its looks. and its been a while since i have tried kde |
| 20:36.57 | gkiagia | RainbowW: rtorrent |
| 20:37.16 | gkiagia | the most minimalistic torrent client I know.... |
| 20:37.18 | jelly | liable: apparently lots of people dislike the looks, that's why there's a shitload of engines/themes for gtk |
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| 20:37.51 | Palish | Hey |
| 20:37.56 | Palish | Has anyone installed imagemagick here? |
| 20:38.09 | Palish | What I'm seeing is, it's supposed to be installing some files into /usr/local/lib/ImageMagick.. But it's not, during install |
| 20:38.13 | Palish | I'm using the main debian package |
| 20:38.16 | Palish | not building from source |
| 20:38.31 | Palish | So I have a whole directory missing.. and convert -list type fails |
| 20:38.35 | Palish | UnableToOpenConfigurationFile type.xml |
| 20:38.35 | DexterF | !vmware |
| 20:38.35 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask the vendor for support, or ask here: #vmware |
| 20:38.36 | jelly | Palish: debian installs under /usr/lib, not /usr/local/lib |
| 20:38.50 | liable | jelly: yeah, i guess i should try some themes. |
| 20:39.02 | DexterF | so - VMware player is not in any deb repos? |
| 20:39.09 | Palish | jelly: It's not there either :( |
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| 20:39.21 | Palish | There should be ImageMagick*versionnumber*/config/type.xml somewhere..but it doesnt exist, anywhere |
| 20:39.24 | liable | Palish: you saying you dont have convert? |
| 20:39.25 | Palish | and I can't get it to reinstall |
| 20:39.33 | Palish | I do have convert, but convert -list type fails |
| 20:39.36 | Palish | "convert -list type" |
| 20:39.43 | jelly | Palish: you _do_ know the name of the package you installed, right? you can get its contents with dpkg -L package-name |
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| 20:39.50 | Supaplex | no DexterF. there's a wrapper in experimental, but I suggest avoiding it. just use the vmware supplied .tar.gz install. |
| 20:40.31 | Palish | jelly: Awesome! |
| 20:40.32 | DexterF | Supaplex: ok, thanks |
| 20:40.36 | Palish | it's under /usr/share .... |
| 20:40.38 | Palish | Is that bad? |
| 20:40.55 | RainbowW | so rtorrent is a curses client? i'd essentially run it in screen or something? |
| 20:41.19 | Supaplex | RainbowW: bingo |
| 20:41.19 | jelly | Palish: no |
| 20:41.32 | gkiagia | rtorrent is a curses client yes |
| 20:41.38 | gkiagia | you run it on any terminal |
| 20:41.50 | gkiagia | in screen is better |
| 20:41.52 | Palish | Grrr |
| 20:41.54 | RainbowW | gkiagia: screen is optimal in my situation as i don't have console access and must disconnect :-) |
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| 20:41.59 | Palish | then why did it totally fail to install a configuration file it needs? |
| 20:42.07 | Palish | anyone know where "convert -list type" searches for type.xml? |
| 20:42.24 | jelly | Palish: what is that command supposed to do? |
| 20:42.25 | Supaplex | Palish: did you try it with strace? |
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| 20:42.51 | Palish | aha |
| 20:42.53 | Palish | okay |
| 20:43.05 | Palish | creating /usr/share/ImageMagick-6.2.4/config/type.xml, as a blank file, and then running "convert -list type" no longer fails |
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| 20:43.14 | Drk_Guy | Hey guys |
| 20:43.17 | Palish | "convert -list type" lists all the font types |
| 20:43.31 | Palish | it's supposed to have an XML configuration file listing the fonts apparently |
| 20:43.41 | Palish | in config/type.xml |
| 20:44.00 | jelly | convert -list type works for me! |
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| 20:44.13 | Palish | jelly: can you do me a huge favor and navigate to /usr/share/ImageMagick-6.2.4/config ? |
| 20:44.24 | Palish | and tell me if you have type.xml? |
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| 20:44.28 | Drk_Guy | What happens if i type my super user pass wrong 3 times in SSH? |
| 20:44.32 | Palish | or can you do a "locate type.xml" please? |
| 20:44.43 | Palish | Drk_Guy: asplosion |
| 20:44.51 | Drk_Guy | asplosion? |
| 20:44.57 | Palish | Drk_Guy: But if there's some certain software installed, it might blacklist you for awhile |
| 20:44.59 | liable | is that where your ass explodes? |
| 20:45.11 | jelly | Palish: there's coder.xml, log.xml and magic.xml, nothing else there |
| 20:45.15 | Palish | there's a debian package that limits wrong password attempts |
| 20:45.20 | Palish | jelly: can you "locate type.xml"? |
| 20:45.30 | streuner | fail2ban? |
| 20:45.40 | smi | is there a way to see from where (host) the user has been last logged in? |
| 20:45.42 | Drk_Guy | Blacklist me for a while? |
| 20:45.44 | Supaplex | iptables -m recent :) |
| 20:45.49 | liable | Drk_Guy: sshd doesnt limit by default, though some iptables front end might |
| 20:46.03 | smi | like, last logged in ssh |
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| 20:46.10 | jelly | Palish: apparently I'm blind, it's there: libmagick9: usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.4/config/type.xml |
| 20:46.14 | Drk_Guy | My friend tried to ssh a LAN pc |
| 20:46.22 | Drk_Guy | But he's keyboard failed |
| 20:46.28 | jelly | Palish: this is a lenny machine. |
| 20:46.39 | Drk_Guy | And he typed in the pass 3 times wrong |
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| 20:46.55 | liable | Drk_Guy: is fail2ban on the server? |
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| 20:47.10 | Drk_Guy | Now he can't browse the internet/connect to the LAN, not even in winshit |
| 20:47.20 | Palish | jelly: What.. libmagick9? |
| 20:47.25 | Palish | I need to install that to get that? |
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| 20:47.29 | Palish | that must be the problem |
| 20:47.42 | liable | Drk_Guy: i think you can safely say its unrelated |
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| 20:48.05 | liable | Drk_Guy: unless its a linux box thats the router |
| 20:48.08 | baktaah__ | Does anyone know of a good application to have multiple access-points like school, home, neighbour and etc? |
| 20:48.12 | Drk_Guy | idk |
| 20:48.19 | jelly | Palish: it's a dependency for imagemagick, you should already have it |
| 20:48.22 | Drk_Guy | It's a teryon |
| 20:48.26 | Drk_Guy | *terayon |
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| 20:48.50 | Oyama_ | i have a 3com ethernet card, how can i know wich driver to load? |
| 20:48.58 | Oyama_ | an isa one |
| 20:49.07 | RainbowW | try em all and use the one that works. |
| 20:49.09 | liable | eww |
| 20:49.21 | Drk_Guy | liable: So, idk how, my friend reconfigured the static Ip and now, his not blacklisted |
| 20:49.27 | Oyama_ | is there something such as lspci for isa? |
| 20:49.32 | RainbowW | or look at the card and figure out the model number. "3csomethingorother" |
| 20:49.36 | jelly | Oyama_: which 3com isa card? |
| 20:49.36 | baktaah__ | !nvidia |
| 20:49.36 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 20:49.42 | liable | Drk_Guy: you arent making much sense tbh |
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| 20:49.45 | themill | it would be cheaper and faster to cough up £1 or US0.50 or whatever and buy a new pci one... |
| 20:49.55 | Drk_Guy | :P |
| 20:50.00 | Drk_Guy | I don't know |
| 20:50.02 | Oyama_ | jelly: that's what i want to know ^^ |
| 20:50.06 | Palish | ... |
| 20:50.07 | Drk_Guy | My friend asked for help |
| 20:50.12 | Palish | Is there any way to apt-get install and INCLUDE dependencies? |
| 20:50.18 | jelly | Oyama_: what does it say on the biggest chip? |
| 20:50.24 | Palish | it's failing to install basically everything because it says "Depends: blah.. but it is not going to be installed" |
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| 20:50.29 | Drk_Guy | Ans, as he doesn't know english, i'm asking for him |
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| 20:50.48 | pickcoder | Palish: use aptitude |
| 20:50.59 | jelly | Oyama_: basically google for whatever's written on the card ;-) |
| 20:51.01 | liable | Drk_Guy: i dont think this is related at all to the box running sshd |
| 20:51.23 | Drk_Guy | Ok |
| 20:51.33 | Drk_Guy | Let's re-state everything up |
| 20:51.38 | Oyama_ | jelly: ok |
| 20:51.48 | jelly | Palish: which debian release are you running? |
| 20:52.04 | Drk_Guy | 1. He wanted remote access to a lan's pc running ubuntu from his kebian |
| 20:52.20 | Drk_Guy | 2. he installed all of the ssh stuff |
| 20:52.35 | Drk_Guy | 3. He miss-spelled the root pass 3 times |
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| 20:52.59 | Drk_Guy | 4. He couldn't browse internet or lan stuff anylonger |
| 20:53.08 | Drk_Guy | (kebian = Debian + Kde) |
| 20:53.09 | Drk_Guy | ;) |
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| 20:53.21 | thechef | how can i force netstat to display the complete address and not only parts (it's cutting because of that weird table formatting) |
| 20:53.22 | zmitya | guys, I have deleted all of my my apt-keys |
| 20:53.24 | jelly | Drk_Guy: but debian already has kde. |
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| 20:53.31 | Drk_Guy | nope |
| 20:53.37 | Drk_Guy | It came with gnome |
| 20:53.43 | jelly | ... |
| 20:53.46 | jelly | !installit |
| 20:53.46 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 20:53.47 | Drk_Guy | (shitty gnome, fuck it) |
| 20:53.50 | zmitya | it says: W: GPG error: http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 |
| 20:53.58 | zmitya | what can I do now ? |
| 20:54.09 | Drk_Guy | !ubuntu |
| 20:54.09 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:54.16 | liable | you dont rename debian kebian because you install kde. this is *not* ubuntu |
| 20:54.21 | jelly | zmitya: ask in #ubuntu |
| 20:54.38 | Drk_Guy | But i like it |
| 20:54.46 | Drk_Guy | Kebian is a COOL name |
| 20:54.51 | Drk_Guy | And i got it out |
| 20:54.53 | liable | no its not |
| 20:54.53 | themill | Drk_Guy: well we don't. |
| 20:54.54 | Drk_Guy | :P |
| 20:55.00 | Drk_Guy | Ok |
| 20:55.05 | zmitya | jelly: ok, I have another question: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 40976EAF437D05B5 |
| 20:55.11 | jelly | Drk_Guy: good luck trying to get help while confusing the hell out of people you want to get help from |
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| 20:55.31 | liable | zmitya: you lose, go to #ubuntu |
| 20:55.34 | Drk_Guy | zmitya: type this /msg dpkg no public key |
| 20:55.34 | jelly | zmitya: #ubuntu is that way ---> |
| 20:55.42 | liable | zmitya: you should also read the /topic |
| 20:55.52 | themill | on two counts.... |
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| 20:56.06 | zmitya | ok guys, you know that is not a distrib specific question |
| 20:56.12 | zmitya | why do you that ? |
| 20:56.22 | hark | zmitya: nice try |
| 20:56.23 | zmitya | btw I can ask there too |
| 20:56.27 | liable | zmitya: dont start with that |
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| 20:56.31 | RainbowW | it very well could be distrib-specific. now go away. |
| 20:56.33 | jelly | zmitya: basically, no debian archive is signed with fuckin' "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key" |
| 20:56.48 | Drk_Guy | zmitya: Ubuntu's apt and debian's apt are different |
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| 20:57.02 | Drk_Guy | *different* |
| 20:57.06 | jelly | zmitya: they ought to be able to tell the correct way of syncing your apt gpg keys. |
| 20:57.08 | themill | zmitya: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring... if that doesn't work then go away. |
| 20:57.45 | jelly | themill: ya think debian-archive-keyring has keys for <ftpmaster@ubuntu.org>? :-) |
| 20:58.00 | jelly | s/org/com/, sorry |
| 20:58.03 | themill | jelly: of course not... that's my point ;) |
| 20:58.05 | zmitya | ok guys, dont understant this tratment, but I can accept it |
| 20:58.07 | liable | who knows what they get up to |
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| 20:58.52 | Drk_Guy | zmitya: Go to #UBUNTU |
| 20:58.52 | Drk_Guy | !ubntu zmitya |
| 20:58.53 | themill | zmitya: how should we know what to do? the keys are in the package debian-archive-keyring. |
| 20:58.53 | Drk_Guy | !ubntu |
| 20:58.53 | Drk_Guy | !ubuntu |
| 20:58.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 20:58.53 | themill | !tell zmitya about based on debian |
| 20:58.53 | jelly | zmitya: it's a distro specific issue. If you were using Debian, themill's answer would work. |
| 20:58.53 | DexterF | you get this a lot here, huh? |
| 20:58.53 | liable | zmitya: we get multiple people every day asking ubuntu questions, they are not the same distro. thats why there is #ubuntu |
| 20:59.03 | Drk_Guy | ...based on Debian but *it is not* Debian... |
| 20:59.12 | themill | DexterF: you get a lot of love if you ask the right questions.... as you know ;) |
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| 20:59.46 | themill | !tell zmitya about based on debian caveats |
| 20:59.48 | baktaah__ | Excuse me, is there a way to install Debian Unstable that got the new 2.18 gnome? |
| 20:59.57 | liable | zmitya: if you want techinical support here, install debian. |
| 21:00.06 | zmitya | I'm currently trying to do an apt server (on an etch!!!) |
| 21:00.13 | liable | baktaah__: you do not want to run unstable |
| 21:00.18 | zmitya | I have the same problem on etch too |
| 21:00.19 | DexterF | themill: hey, I'm even on debian now :P kubuntu pushed me over the edge today, I seriously consider switching, only need to figure a convenient way of migrating mail to a mail server |
| 21:00.48 | pickcoder | !tell baktaah__ about simple sid backport |
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| 21:01.13 | liable | backporting gnome is *not* a simple backport ;) |
| 21:01.20 | RainbowW | DexterF: what kind of migration? queue migration? not easily possible. mailbox migration? segment of circular baked confection (piece of cake). |
| 21:01.22 | baktaah__ | liable, but I want the new gnome :) got some applets I want |
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| 21:01.24 | pickcoder | shhhh |
| 21:01.37 | baktaah__ | pickcoder, that didnt make munch sense, but I can backport some applications from unstable? |
| 21:01.42 | themill | zmitya: on etch, "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring" and your problems will be solved. |
| 21:01.43 | baktaah__ | or DM like Gnome |
| 21:01.47 | pickcoder | you can backport anything, if you have the time and skill |
| 21:01.54 | liable | i had a feeling this would happen |
| 21:01.57 | baktaah__ | I dont have the skill nor the time :) |
| 21:02.01 | baktaah__ | liable, hehe |
| 21:02.25 | zmitya | themill: this is ok for debian repos, but what if I have my own ? |
| 21:02.42 | pickcoder | zmitya: then fix your own keys |
| 21:03.13 | themill | zmitya: then you need to sign your packages files, and import your keys into apt so they are trusted |
| 21:03.21 | pickcoder | man apt-key |
| 21:03.33 | liable | baktaah__: if you want to run sid, then go and do your homework and learn how to upgrade. then learn how to fix things when it breaks, because you wont get help in here for sid unless you have a fairly good idea of how things work |
| 21:03.33 | zmitya | themill: thats the point |
| 21:03.41 | zmitya | how can I do that ? |
| 21:03.42 | liable | !tell baktaah__ -about sid faq |
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| 21:03.55 | kaos_nk | in what file the list of dpkg packages stored? |
| 21:03.58 | kaos_nk | is+ |
| 21:04.27 | pickcoder | kaos_nk: dpkg --list |
| 21:04.27 | zmitya | I did: wget http://update.xxxx.com/debian/node.asc -O - | apt-key add - |
| 21:04.37 | zmitya | ant I get the same error :( |
| 21:04.40 | Oyama_ | hmmm i looked for what is wriyen on the chip of my 3com isa ethernet card on google, and it tells me it's a 3c905 model, but i can only find driver for 3c9xx pci on the install cd, what should i do? |
| 21:04.59 | pickcoder | the 9xx covers the 905 |
| 21:05.15 | chops | zmitya: Are you hoping that if you replace "ubuntu" with "xxxx" people will help you? :-) |
| 21:05.21 | jelly | Oyama_: are you positive it's not a 3c509 instead? |
| 21:05.32 | zmitya | chops: I have the same problem in my etch too |
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| 21:05.55 | zmitya | chops: I wrote xxx, because thats my company's domain |
| 21:05.57 | jelly | pickcoder: and 3c9xx would be a pci card methinks |
| 21:06.01 | Oyama_ | jelly: thanks! tried the 905 driver and it worked :) |
| 21:06.05 | chops | zmitya: (17:01:14) themill: zmitya: on etch, "aptitude install debian-archive-keyring" and your problems will be solved. |
| 21:06.21 | kaos_nk | pickcoder: thanks |
| 21:06.28 | zmitya | chops: [23:03] <zmitya> themill: this is ok for debian repos, but what if I have my own ? |
| 21:06.41 | jelly | Oyama_: lesdyixc are we, hmm :-) |
| 21:06.47 | liable | zmitya: then you get the hey from the repo owner |
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| 21:07.12 | themill | zmitya: if you have to ask, then you probably shouldn't be trying to set one up. But look at the documentation for apt-key |
| 21:07.15 | Oyama_ | jelly: lesdyixc ??? |
| 21:07.19 | zmitya | liable: which file do I need ? |
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| 21:07.46 | chops | zmitya: Then you're assumed to know what the fsck you're doing, I believe. |
| 21:07.51 | pickcoder | Oyama_: dyslexic |
| 21:07.52 | zmitya | themill: I have deleted my old key with apt-key del ID |
| 21:07.54 | jelly | Oyama_: you said 905 again, while I said 509 |
| 21:08.03 | Oyama_ | loooool sorry :) |
| 21:08.04 | themill | jelly: the 509 and 905 cards use the same driver |
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| 21:08.15 | zmitya | then added again with wget http://update.yyyyy.com/debian/node.asc -O - | apt-key add - |
| 21:08.24 | Oyama_ | themill: maybe the pci one, but not the isa |
| 21:08.25 | zmitya | and I can see it on my apt-key list |
| 21:08.31 | jelly | themill: it's just that I've only seen PCI 3c905 and ISA 3c509. |
| 21:08.39 | zmitya | but cannot understand what the problem :( |
| 21:08.58 | themill | jelly: yeah, that vaguely rings a bell... (gee... isa cards....) |
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| 21:09.04 | h3xis | i just recently upgrade network-manager and whenever the applet tries to start in gnome i get the error "nm: 'a.out': No such file" what is a.out and does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 21:09.32 | zmitya | hmm, trying to read some doc |
| 21:09.38 | zmitya | tanks anyway |
| 21:09.50 | themill | h3xis: network-manager is nm-applet; nm is a compiler (decompiler) tool |
| 21:09.52 | liable | thats riculous |
| 21:10.00 | liable | h3xis: did you compile it? |
| 21:10.10 | hark | h3xis: lenny? |
| 21:10.15 | liable | because that sounds like a very broken source package |
| 21:10.19 | h3xis | liable, no |
| 21:10.31 | themill | liable: no... type nm in a terminal ;) |
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| 21:10.33 | h3xis | hark, yes |
| 21:11.02 | liable | themill: oh, that nm |
| 21:11.14 | chlue | is there something in Debian, that can store and enter a ssh password for me? I cannot install a rsa-key on the remote side. |
| 21:11.14 | themill | liable: /usr/bin/nm is in binutils and says "a.out no such file" ;) |
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| 21:11.39 | hark | !why is network-manager-gnome not in testing |
| 21:11.39 | dpkg | network-manager-gnome is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=network-manager-gnome |
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| 21:12.47 | liable | themill: i noticed the a.out first and thought.. |
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| 21:13.26 | h3xis | what's a.out and how do i get it back, assuming it was removed by some package? |
| 21:13.54 | themill | liable: yep... quite sensibly. I just remember when I was first trying out networkmanager and made the same mistake ;) |
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| 21:14.36 | Supaplex | !a.out |
| 21:14.36 | dpkg | i guess a.out is a horrid binary format. |
| 21:15.24 | themill | of course most tools still generate a.out but in elf format.... lovely.... |
| 21:15.45 | liable | themill: hang on, he was talking about starting the applet though |
| 21:16.02 | themill | liable: yeah, it should be nm-applet |
| 21:16.21 | h3xis | bash: nm-applet: command not found |
| 21:16.27 | liable | oh, so it a session file error in his config? |
| 21:16.33 | pickcoder | chlue: not really |
| 21:16.35 | hark | no it's not in lenny |
| 21:16.48 | themill | h3xis: in lenny, that's been split off into a new package that has not made it into lenny yet. Welcome to lenny. |
| 21:17.00 | h3xis | ... |
| 21:17.04 | h3xis | ive been running it for months T_T |
| 21:17.22 | Palish | Hey, how can I grep a list of all possible packages I could install? |
| 21:17.26 | h3xis | i dont desperately need it atm, but will it eventually be "put back?" |
| 21:17.43 | liable | h3xis: and its moments like this that we cherish when people say that testing or sid doesnt break :) |
| 21:17.48 | themill | Palish: aptitude search or apt-cache search |
| 21:17.51 | geo-rge | you could get the source package and try to build it |
| 21:17.53 | themill | !tell Palish about search |
| 21:17.55 | pickcoder | chlue: consider scripting capabilities in the terminal software you are using, though that's not a good idea |
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| 21:18.01 | hark | about 8 days or so |
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| 21:18.46 | Jkl82 | Hi u guys... can somebody remember me... how to secure the (key) for apt-get.. plz? |
| 21:18.54 | Palish | thank you |
| 21:19.20 | geo-rge | Jkl82: there are about 4 or 5 keys you might mean. which one? |
| 21:19.27 | pickcoder | Jkl82: look at /topic |
| 21:19.37 | themill | !tell Jkl82 about no public key |
| 21:19.42 | Jkl82 | yes |
| 21:20.08 | Jkl82 | pickcoder, /topic... where? |
| 21:20.16 | pickcoder | topic of the channel |
| 21:20.33 | geo-rge | you should have seen it when you joined. or type /topic |
| 21:20.42 | liable | Jkl82: which key? |
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| 21:20.55 | chlue | pickcoder: ok, thanks. |
| 21:21.34 | Jkl82 | geo-rge, pickcoder, themill , liable ... got it... tnx! |
| 21:21.38 | Jkl82 | bye |
| 21:21.58 | themill | !next |
| 21:21.58 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 21:25.00 | RainbowW | crap. running screen within a screen fucks your keys. bad. |
| 21:25.06 | RainbowW | forgot. |
| 21:25.28 | danf_1979 | how can I manage to put a complete directory with lots of files through the ftp program? It seems that it only works on a per file put command basis |
| 21:25.50 | geo-rge | danf_1979: tar it up and be happy |
| 21:26.08 | Supaplex | danf_1979: or rsync -avP src/ server:dst/ |
| 21:26.33 | danf_1979 | I cant, I will be running the ftp program with knoppix, I dont have space |
| 21:26.49 | geo-rge | can you ssh? |
| 21:27.16 | liable | apt-key 40976EAF437D05B5 |
| 21:27.25 | liable | !apt-key 40976EAF437D05B5 |
| 21:27.25 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5 ; gpg --export 40976EAF437D05B5 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:27.29 | liable | zmitya: ^^ |
| 21:27.39 | chops | danf_1979: "tar c . | nc -l -p 6060" on one machine, "nc 1.2.3.4 6060 | tar x" is mighty handy |
| 21:27.47 | geo-rge | if so, you can still use tar (but on a streaming basis) |
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| 21:27.51 | infernix | are there any disadvantages to running nscd? |
| 21:28.05 | geo-rge | what's that |
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| 21:28.24 | infernix | does it only cache dns lookups or is there more to it? |
| 21:28.25 | chops | danf_1979: Or as geo-rge suggets, "tar c . | ssh user@host 'tar x'" |
| 21:28.26 | danf_1979 | knoppix does not have gftp that would do the trick |
| 21:28.28 | infernix | !nscd |
| 21:28.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nscd is Name Service Cache Daemon |
| 21:29.08 | chops | danf_1979: Er, you should figure those commands out before using them, lest you untar random directories into your home directory :-). Sorry to give you overly specific examples. |
| 21:29.18 | baktaah__ | Could someone please tell me how to remove old "crap" from gconf editor.. I want it clean, I removed Epiphany but it is still in Gconf |
| 21:29.26 | danf_1979 | I am backuping my girlfriends disk. I will have knoppix on her pc and my regular testing on my own. PC to PC connection |
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| 21:30.12 | danf_1979 | I thought knoppix would bring up something like gftp |
| 21:30.15 | danf_1979 | but it does not |
| 21:30.26 | chops | danf_1979: For a backup you may find it better to do "tar cz /some/dir | ssh user@host 'cat > the.backup.file.tar.gz'" |
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| 21:30.47 | geo-rge | does your girlfriend run win? macos? |
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| 21:31.13 | zmitya | liable: thx, I'm just reading this: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 21:31.21 | danf_1979 | windows, but its dead. I am mounting her partition on knoppix and trying to backup it to my own box |
| 21:31.27 | Supaplex | danf_1979: what's her number? I'll back it up ;) |
| 21:31.35 | danf_1979 | >) |
| 21:31.51 | geo-rge | if she runs win, maybe she has ntfs... if so, backing up is going to be more challenging: how will you store the attributes of the files? |
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| 21:32.19 | Palish | What's a pkgconfig? |
| 21:32.26 | Palish | Sorry, poor question |
| 21:32.35 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 21:32.35 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 21:32.47 | Palish | I'm trying to remove ImageMagick rather forcefully. I'm wondering if ImageMagick++.pc is safe to delete. |
| 21:32.49 | geo-rge | for your information :) |
| 21:33.14 | geo-rge | what os are you running? |
| 21:33.21 | chops | Palish: Is 'aptitude remove --purge' not working for you? |
| 21:33.21 | Palish | debian etch |
| 21:33.36 | Palish | I haven't tried that.. |
| 21:33.41 | geo-rge | try :) |
| 21:33.45 | Palish | it doesn't sound like a friendly command |
| 21:33.48 | liable | chops: aptitude purge |
| 21:34.03 | liable | not remove --purge |
| 21:34.11 | chops | Palish: It's friendlier than blowing away random files :-) |
| 21:34.32 | Palish | heh |
| 21:34.35 | Palish | thank you, I appreciate it |
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| 21:34.38 | chops | liable: remove --purge works as well. 'aptitude purge' is cleaner, yes; I didn't know about that. |
| 21:34.41 | geo-rge | what you're doing is unfriendly towards your system... if you do this habitually, your package database is hosed, maybe badly so... if it's not recoverable, you're arguably not running debian anymore |
| 21:35.13 | geo-rge | having said that... |
| 21:35.33 | geo-rge | (and I don't have to say this but) you can do to your machine anything you want... |
| 21:35.45 | geo-rge | having said that... |
| 21:36.01 | Supaplex | thermite! |
| 21:36.58 | geo-rge | if you alter things that are in certain dirs (like /usr, /var, /etc among a few others), your system "doesn't like that" because it has this idea that the package management owns those areas |
| 21:37.30 | Supaplex | ramble^3 |
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| 21:37.43 | geo-rge | so it's your choice... |
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| 21:39.19 | themill | Palish: you shouldn't monkey with stuff that is under /lib or /usr with the exception of /usr/src which you can touch with tools like make-kpkg and module-assistant and /usr/local which is your playground if you want it. |
| 21:39.20 | geo-rge | if you choose to let debian packaging handle your system, be careful where you edit, delete, add, in general modify. |
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| 21:40.20 | danf_1979 | chops, I think that pipe will do it, thanks |
| 21:40.27 | chops | danf_1979: np |
| 21:41.07 | liable | /etc is the one that really matters. i dont think others matter so much. you can generally get those back with a simple reinstall |
| 21:41.32 | infinity0 | lol you know how i was having trouble with nvidia on debian before? |
| 21:41.37 | infinity0 | turns out support on winxpx64 is worse |
| 21:41.39 | infinity0 | hahahahahaha |
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| 21:43.19 | liable | not surprising |
| 21:46.51 | DexterF | !xorg |
| 21:46.51 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.2. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
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| 21:48.27 | gkiagia | that bot is out of date. current xorg is 7.3 ;) |
| 21:48.32 | odla | tarzeau: ping |
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| 21:49.02 | themill | gkiagia: sort of... not in etch it's not.... |
| 21:49.12 | themill | gkiagia: or in lenny even |
| 21:49.42 | gkiagia | that's right.. |
| 21:50.01 | Ronin | so its not really out of date |
| 21:50.29 | gkiagia | but I think it should not be so debian-oriented in such cases |
| 21:50.36 | gkiagia | never mind anyway |
| 21:50.51 | Ronin | well um gkiagia this is #debian |
| 21:51.23 | odla | anyone know if GNUstep is still broken in sid? |
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| 21:52.07 | wreis | what happened with network-manager-gnome package? |
| 21:52.43 | hark | !why is network-manager-gnome not in testing |
| 21:52.44 | dpkg | network-manager-gnome is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=network-manager-gnome |
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| 21:53.39 | themill | Actually, the lists.d.o downtime thing was yesterday so could get changed. |
| 21:53.53 | DexterF | someone know of xorg 7.2 debs for etch? |
| 21:54.10 | Hotwire | Hi, i'm having a few problems and to slove them i need to run a command as root in a script. How do i do this without hard coding a password? i don't even know what to google :( thanks for the help |
| 21:54.33 | themill | Hotwire: sudo |
| 21:54.51 | Hotwire | themill: won't this require a password? |
| 21:55.13 | wreis | hark: thx |
| 21:55.17 | geo-rge | umm if you're not root, it will always require a password |
| 21:55.18 | themill | Hotwire: you can tell sudo to allow you to run certain commands without prompting for a passwd |
| 21:55.25 | Hotwire | cool |
| 21:55.27 | themill | geo-rge: ? |
| 21:55.37 | Hotwire | themill: thanks, hopefully google we take me from here :D |
| 21:55.52 | geo-rge | why do you want to run something as root when you're not? |
| 21:56.33 | Hotwire | geo-rge: i need to restart the networking |
| 21:56.39 | geo-rge | call me paranoid, but this leads to questions like "what are you trying to do, and to whose machine?" |
| 21:56.45 | geo-rge | ok |
| 21:56.49 | geo-rge | under what conditions? |
| 21:56.57 | geo-rge | there is a script that already does that btw |
| 21:57.15 | Hotwire | geo-rge: basiaclly the network wont work unless i retart networking |
| 21:57.24 | Hotwire | and i can't work out why |
| 21:57.34 | Hotwire | so i figured just write a script to do it for me |
| 21:57.34 | geo-rge | hmm, could it be there is a delay? |
| 21:57.42 | Hotwire | nah |
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| 21:57.53 | geo-rge | oh, ok... could you look at your file /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:58.00 | Hotwire | i've left it for about an hour then come back restarted the networking and its just worked |
| 21:58.09 | Hotwire | geo-rge: i can |
| 21:58.22 | Hotwire | its got my loopback and eth1 |
| 21:58.27 | geo-rge | it -sounds- like there's no "auto something" line |
| 21:58.36 | Hotwire | eth0 seems to be taken my a usb network card that doesn't exist |
| 21:58.43 | Hotwire | geo-rge: there is |
| 21:58.43 | geo-rge | ok |
| 21:58.52 | geo-rge | auto ___ |
| 21:58.58 | geo-rge | please fill in blanks :) |
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| 21:59.06 | Hotwire | eth1 |
| 21:59.10 | baktaah | !nvidia |
| 21:59.10 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 21:59.13 | geo-rge | and lo? |
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| 21:59.19 | baktaah | is that guide up to date? |
| 21:59.23 | Hotwire | yes |
| 21:59.34 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 21:59.36 | Freak__ | 0 0 * * * /var/log/apache2/cust-logs/logcron | sendmail my@mailaddress.com << That cronjob seems to be executed every night. However, I do not receive any email. When I execute this command (incl the pipe + sendmail command), from a command line, it does function properly, and I do get an email. anybody who can figure why I dont receive any email when the command is performed by cron? |
| 22:00.07 | geo-rge | ok, so could you pls show the iface ... eth1 line? |
| 22:00.20 | bergheim | If netstat -anp doesn't lst which program listenes to some port (the field is just empty), then what? |
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| 22:00.43 | Hotwire | iface lo inet loopback | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 22:00.50 | geo-rge | ok... |
| 22:00.52 | Hotwire | the | indicates a new line ofc |
| 22:00.55 | geo-rge | ok |
| 22:01.09 | geo-rge | initial reaction, that looks good... |
| 22:01.28 | Hotwire | i think the problem lies with the no exsitant usb network card |
| 22:01.29 | geo-rge | so let me ask some questions for cases that don't make sense |
| 22:01.39 | geo-rge | maybe |
| 22:02.01 | geo-rge | but on what physical device is your dhcp server? |
| 22:02.26 | gryfel | anyone with a hint for a cheap dualcore-laptop with support for it's hardware like usb, 3d-graphics, sound... ? |
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| 22:02.48 | Hotwire | geo-rge: eth1 |
| 22:02.49 | geo-rge | hint: eat ice cream... but don't let your laptop drink it |
| 22:03.04 | DexterF | gryfel: dell? |
| 22:03.30 | geo-rge | gryfel: what kind of hint do you want? :) |
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| 22:03.51 | gryfel | DexterF: Now, I mean one, that's hardware is supported by Debian Etch :) |
| 22:03.55 | loo | hi |
| 22:03.57 | geo-rge | Hotwire: hmm... this -should- work right |
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| 22:04.02 | MarGarina | gnucash is dead: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=441363 |
| 22:04.05 | loo | any idea howto convert a digital voice recorder .zvr file to ogg mp3? thnxs. |
| 22:04.08 | MarGarina | I mean the pkg in unstable |
| 22:04.14 | geo-rge | gryfel: so you have one of these? |
| 22:04.32 | geo-rge | MarGarina: long live gnucash! |
| 22:04.33 | Hotwire | geo-rge: well yes ofc it should work, but it doesn't work at all until i restart networking |
| 22:04.33 | aFlag | how do I play mid on debian? I've tried kmid, pmid and playmidi and none of them worked, I've tried to turn on a couple of kernel modules but I had no luck |
| 22:04.42 | gryfel | george: No, I donÄt have such a laptop, I 'm thinking about to you one |
| 22:04.50 | baktaah | Could someone please help me with my nvidia 8600m, I tried following the guide but apparaently I got a updated GCC and there is no nvidia-kernel-common |
| 22:04.56 | gryfel | to buy one |
| 22:05.16 | geo-rge | gryfel: ohhhh, you want to BUY one... |
| 22:05.26 | geo-rge | ok, now I understand :) |
| 22:05.32 | gryfel | ok :) |
| 22:06.05 | geo-rge | what you are going to want to do first is research it, look for laptop lists etc etc |
| 22:06.30 | DexterF | gryfel: dell, seriously. then look out for an intel. c2d with intel chip, intel wifi, intel graphics. works a charm usually. |
| 22:06.34 | geo-rge | you're going to want to come up with a list of -specific- models with -specific- features |
| 22:06.37 | DexterF | if you need serious 3D tho, well. |
| 22:06.49 | geo-rge | on a laptop? |
| 22:06.56 | geo-rge | well let's ask: |
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| 22:06.59 | themill | !tell gryfel about laptops |
| 22:07.06 | geo-rge | do you want serious 3d? :) |
| 22:07.19 | baktaah | Could someone please help me with my nvidia 8600m, I tried following the guide but apparaently I got a updated GCC and there is no nvidia-kernel-common |
| 22:07.31 | gryfel | now, I don't really need top-3D-performance.... but it shoulb be as fast as older geforce 2 or something like that :) |
| 22:07.48 | DexterF | i'd check the ubuntu hardware compat lists, if they say "supported" most likely Etch will run on it, too. wifi can be tricky, but intel should work. |
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| 22:07.53 | geo-rge | are you planning on playing 3d accelerated games on it? |
| 22:08.20 | DexterF | gryfel: then intel gma 950 should suit your needs. games = nuh uh but google earth will do fine |
| 22:08.36 | Oyama_ | so, i try to connfigure and install the rt2x00 git kernel, the howto says to use git-config for some stuff, but it seems it's not part of any package, any idea? |
| 22:08.50 | geo-rge | what is a git |
| 22:09.09 | Oyama_ | git is a kind of cvs as far as i know |
| 22:09.09 | geo-rge | (yes I know I'm walking into an obvious joke :P ) |
| 22:09.19 | DexterF | :D |
| 22:09.22 | geo-rge | oh ok |
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| 22:09.58 | baktaah | Excuse me guys |
| 22:10.00 | kpearce | What application puts the "updates available" notification in my notification tray, and how do I disable it? |
| 22:10.06 | Hammar | the flip side of my migration from XP to debian is that my uber-1,3k€ laptop now has become overkill |
| 22:10.09 | baktaah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:10.13 | geo-rge | I've had very good luck with dells and linux |
| 22:10.15 | baktaah | Maybe |
| 22:10.22 | baktaah | there is a problem with my reposetory |
| 22:10.30 | baktaah | because there is no nvidia-glx-new |
| 22:10.39 | mick_work | what is the best way to test if a microphone works? |
| 22:10.42 | jeward | Is there a way to use screen or another tool to bond the input of say 200+ ssh sessions together? |
| 22:11.01 | DexterF | mick_work: record something and play it back..? |
| 22:11.02 | mick_work | i have alsamixer set to capture audio (and volume is up) |
| 22:11.04 | geo-rge | baktaah: can I make a suggestion? do you have a web server that's reachable over the internet? |
| 22:11.10 | baktaah | geo-rge, no |
| 22:11.12 | mick_work | DexterF: i'm trying w/ xvidcap |
| 22:11.16 | mick_work | no sound |
| 22:11.18 | mick_work | :( |
| 22:11.19 | baktaah | geo-rge, I do actually |
| 22:11.20 | gryfel | ok, thx for hint's to the right directions |
| 22:11.25 | DexterF | xvidcap?! oO |
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| 22:11.37 | geo-rge | gryfel: err one sec |
| 22:11.38 | mick_work | yes, i want to make lil video tutorials |
| 22:11.46 | mick_work | and audio recording is set to on |
| 22:11.59 | DexterF | ah. i see. hmm. mick_work, what's your capturing hardware? |
| 22:12.11 | baktaah | geo-rge, why |
| 22:12.24 | mick_work | DexterF: know of an app that just echos what i say? (or can i have a shell script that pipes from /dev/something to /dev/something_else |
| 22:12.27 | Hammar | Can anyone recommend a specific laptop that is suited to debian desktop use? (watching/burning dvds, using bloated stuff like azureus&OpenOffice, et. al.) |
| 22:12.44 | mick_work | a creative telex microphone |
| 22:12.51 | baktaah | Could someone please help me with my nvidia 8600m, I tried following the guide but apparaently I got a updated GCC and there is no nvidia-kernel-common |
| 22:12.55 | baktaah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:12.58 | jeward | Is there a way to use screen or another tool to bond the input of say 200+ ssh sessions together? |
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| 22:13.01 | baktaah | there is a problem with my repos |
| 22:13.03 | mick_work | and it is just plugged into my computer (onboard audio) |
| 22:13.05 | baktaah | because there is no nvidia-glx-new |
| 22:13.13 | mick_work | fyi - audio out works just fine |
| 22:13.15 | DexterF | mick_work: well, I'd check audacity first and see if the VU meters do a thing. mic inputs are kinda tricky sometimes. if there's a ac97 slider, crank that up, too. check for mic boost +20dB |
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| 22:13.49 | mick_work | DexterF: thanks |
| 22:14.00 | gkiagia | baktaah: why don't you try the official nvidia installer? |
| 22:14.11 | baktaah | gkiagia, for that I need the kernel |
| 22:14.18 | baktaah | and apparently I dont have it in my repos |
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| 22:14.22 | gkiagia | as far as I remember |
| 22:14.36 | baktaah | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.37 | gkiagia | you compiled the kernel before to enable that ipw4965 |
| 22:14.39 | baktaah | there is none |
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| 22:14.48 | baktaah | nvidia-kernel-common ? |
| 22:14.50 | SeveredCross | For the nVidia installer, you should jsut need your kernel headers. |
| 22:14.52 | SeveredCross | I think. |
| 22:14.56 | SeveredCross | At least that's what you need for the ATI installer. |
| 22:15.01 | baktaah | what about nvidia-kernel-common |
| 22:15.02 | JordiGH | Is it possible to forward the sound card output through ssh? I can't find a simple way to do this. |
| 22:15.15 | baktaah | apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common |
| 22:15.23 | gkiagia | baktaah: just get rid of nvidia-* packages and try the installer |
| 22:15.39 | themill | baktaah: stop. |
| 22:15.44 | baktaah | gkiagia, as I said, I have |
| 22:15.53 | DexterF | JordiGH: sending sound elsewhere is voodoo. I'd suggest gstreamer streamserver/client setup. might require some tinkering. |
| 22:16.03 | themill | gkiagia: please don't *ever* tell people to use the nvidia installer it creates more problems than it solves. |
| 22:16.18 | jeward | Is there a way to use screen or another tool to bond the input of say 200+ ssh sessions together? |
| 22:16.29 | JordiGH | DexterF: Hm. Okay. |
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| 22:16.38 | themill | !tell baktaah about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:16.44 | JordiGH | DexterF: Maybe I should just crank up the volume in the remote machine. ;-) |
| 22:16.46 | baktaah | !one-liner |
| 22:16.56 | DexterF | JordiGH: ;) |
| 22:16.57 | gkiagia | maybe, but that doesn't apply for me, so I keep suggesting the installer |
| 22:16.59 | petemc | JordiGH: define bond? you can certainly ssh to as many machines as you like within one screen session |
| 22:17.04 | petemc | gah |
| 22:17.07 | petemc | jeward: ^^^ |
| 22:17.08 | JordiGH | petemc: misfire |
| 22:17.10 | baktaah | themill, thats the problem those doesnt exist in my repos |
| 22:17.11 | mick_work | DexterF: i think it was because i didn't have libasound2-plugins or jackd |
| 22:17.12 | petemc | yz |
| 22:17.17 | baktaah | themill, I think there is something wrong with my repos |
| 22:17.18 | gkiagia | the debian way is of course a lot easier |
| 22:17.20 | mick_work | i didn't try again though - i jusrt see them missing |
| 22:17.27 | DexterF | mick_work: works now? |
| 22:17.29 | gkiagia | but if it makes problems like that..... |
| 22:17.32 | jeward | petemc: I wan to send the same keystrokes to 200+ servers at the same time. |
| 22:17.45 | SeveredCross | This sounds suspiciously like a botnet. |
| 22:18.03 | DexterF | jeward: botnet? ;) hhos |
| 22:18.08 | mick_work | DexterF: nah it just hangs on: Expression 'ValidateParameters( outputParameters, outputDeviceInfo, StreamMode_Out )' failed in 'src/hostapi/oss/pa_unix_oss.c', line: 1206 |
| 22:18.17 | jeward | I administer 200+ debian servers. |
| 22:18.26 | geo-rge | baktaah: well because you're repeating information very often, and I think it would be more helpful to you and to anyone trying to help you to put all the information you have in one place, add to it when you get more info and show a reference to anyone who is thinking about helping |
| 22:18.26 | jeward | Sometimes I want to do the same thing on all of them at once. |
| 22:18.26 | themill | baktaah: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 22:18.46 | icatorze | jeward, maybe you want: clusterssh |
| 22:18.51 | baktaah | lenny but it werent there on etch too |
| 22:18.56 | baktaah | geo-rge, okay |
| 22:19.01 | jeward | icatorze: Thanks I'll check it out! |
| 22:19.19 | baktaah | themill, if it matters, I did a netinstall then I choose one mirror when it asked |
| 22:19.19 | themill | baktaah: can you please pastebin the output of apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 22:19.19 | mick_work | jeward: ya, that is what you want to admin all at once |
| 22:19.32 | icatorze | !clusterssh |
| 22:19.32 | DexterF | mick_work: uh.. you lost me there, waht are you trying to do right now..? |
| 22:19.42 | baktaah | themill, Unable to locate package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 22:19.52 | mick_work | DexterF: audacity just hangs |
| 22:20.00 | themill | baktaah: ok, please pastebin your sources.list |
| 22:20.13 | themill | baktaah: and what is uname -r |
| 22:20.26 | baktaah | its the kernel you mentioned earlier |
| 22:20.29 | baktaah | !pastebin |
| 22:20.29 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: pastebin pipe |
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| 22:20.46 | baktaah | http://rafb.net/p/bJGUMc78.html |
| 22:20.51 | DexterF | mick_work: well looks like it's trying to access OSS devices. which it shouldn't. should go ALSA. tried settings? |
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| 22:21.07 | baktaah | themill, 2.6.22-2-686 |
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| 22:21.13 | DexterF | :) |
| 22:21.18 | DexterF | 2.6.22, huh? |
| 22:21.38 | geo-rge | baktaah: or... /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 22:22.17 | baktaah | DexterF, ? |
| 22:22.30 | geo-rge | unstable?? |
| 22:22.32 | geo-rge | why? |
| 22:22.48 | DexterF | baktaah: oh, sorry, my fault. thought you were from the ub00ntu crowd, didn't see you're on lenny. nvm, no offense |
| 22:23.04 | baktaah | ub00ntu :) hah |
| 22:23.12 | odla | can anyone suggest a nice light fm? i am running windowmaker, thanks |
| 22:23.12 | geo-rge | DexterF: look again... his sources.list shows unstable |
| 22:23.34 | baktaah | Ubuntu is for OUT OF THE BOX computers, ubuntu didnt work out of the box for me, wich renders it useless, so might as well go debian :) |
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| 22:23.58 | geo-rge | baktaah: well that's not quite true... but that |
| 22:24.02 | geo-rge | is ok |
| 22:24.07 | DexterF | can't spare the cash for a mac? ;) |
| 22:24.14 | DexterF | odla: xfe |
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| 22:24.17 | geo-rge | ugh, expensive |
| 22:24.23 | mick_work | DexterF: i changed it to Intel hw something instead of /dev/dsp (OSS) -- still nothing :-/ |
| 22:24.32 | baktaah | themill, how is it going? |
| 22:24.41 | Spiritus55 | What is a good program to write ID3 (?) tags with? Meaning, put the artist, and album information into the song. |
| 22:24.54 | zmitya | so guys, still have the problem with my own apt keys |
| 22:25.05 | zmitya | I would like to describe it |
| 22:25.06 | geo-rge | look at /topic |
| 22:25.12 | DexterF | odla: just saw tho there's 0.88 in etch, xfe can't handle unicode chars before 0.99, so you might wanna backport if you need.. japanese kanji or so... |
| 22:25.21 | mick_work | DexterF: where do i look for: check for mic boost +20dB |
| 22:25.30 | DexterF | mick_work: in your fav mixer app |
| 22:25.42 | geo-rge | zmitya: which keys -specifically- do you need? |
| 22:25.51 | DexterF | mick_work: change to intel means you probably switched to an onboard sound card or so now. |
| 22:26.14 | zmitya | when I do apt-get update I get ..... verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F55B6DC0F71CC696 |
| 22:26.31 | SeveredCross | You don't have the GPG key for one of your repos. |
| 22:26.31 | DexterF | !lenny |
| 22:26.31 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 22:26.38 | zmitya | in my apt-key list there is no key with F71CC696 ID |
| 22:26.45 | SeveredCross | Man, rsync owns. |
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| 22:26.51 | zmitya | when I download the key from the server |
| 22:27.17 | Spiritus55 | What is a good program to write ID3 (?) tags with? Meaning, put the artist, and album information into the song. |
| 22:27.21 | zmitya | and import it into my gpg repo then export it to apt-key it appears in the list |
| 22:27.41 | geo-rge | zmitya: so you did that and it's not in the keyring? |
| 22:27.43 | zmitya | ubt it searches for 0F71CC696 |
| 22:27.45 | zmitya | why ? |
| 22:27.50 | mick_work | DexterF: hmm, now it records -- but i only get static |
| 22:28.05 | zmitya | geo-rge: yes, it is not in the "official" keyring |
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| 22:28.26 | DexterF | mick_work: well, that's a start... at least it records. check the jacks. is there onboad sound? if so, jack the mic in there |
| 22:28.30 | themill | baktaah: hang on... just weathering a swap storm here... (I've got a process that's using 2xRAM atm...) |
| 22:28.38 | baktaah | the-me, roger :) |
| 22:28.43 | mick_work | DexterF: well ya, of course :) |
| 22:28.44 | geo-rge | show the gnupg line you used (and how did you get the instructions) |
| 22:28.56 | DexterF | Spiritus55: easytag is quite ok once you grokked the interface. which is a bitch :) |
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| 22:29.22 | themill | baktaah: how come you're running sid? Did liable take you up to sid for your wireless? |
| 22:29.33 | Spiritus55 | DexterF: What do you mean? What's wrong with the interface? |
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| 22:29.41 | zmitya | how does apt- decide which is the key ID ? |
| 22:29.46 | baktaah | themill, no and Im running lenny ? |
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| 22:29.53 | zmitya | where does F55B6DC0F71CC696 come from ? |
| 22:29.59 | DexterF | baktaah: you're on sid. |
| 22:30.04 | mick_work | OWWW |
| 22:30.05 | baktaah | DexterF, oh okay (unstable) |
| 22:30.07 | InsomniaCity | Is it safe to restart an inetd remotely? Do I risk losing connectivity to ssh if I mucked up the config? |
| 22:30.08 | mick_work | ok, it works |
| 22:30.11 | geo-rge | zmitya: show the gnupg line you used (and how did you get the instructions) |
| 22:30.19 | DexterF | Spiritus55: it's kinda unusual. check it out, you'll see. |
| 22:30.21 | mick_work | i shouldn't have ecverything on "high" when testing next time |
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| 22:30.42 | themill | baktaah: if you add this to the end of the first two lines then the nvidia packages will become available: contrib non-free |
| 22:30.51 | Spiritus55 | DexterF: alright, thanks. |
| 22:30.58 | themill | baktaah: (and run aptitude update) |
| 22:30.59 | DexterF | mick_work: pretty sure that's a misplaced jack or a slider not cranked up. can't help more today, gotta run, late here |
| 22:31.12 | zmitya | root@update:~# gpg --list-keys |
| 22:31.12 | zmitya | /home/mzachar/.gnupg/pubring.gpg |
| 22:31.12 | zmitya | -------------------------------- |
| 22:31.13 | zmitya | pub 1024D/BA2B027E 2007-09-11 |
| 22:31.13 | zmitya | uid Gamma Telecom <root@theiptele.com> |
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| 22:31.29 | mick_work | argh, now i have choppy audio |
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| 22:31.47 | DexterF | seems other peeps here need some sleep, too :) or cluebatting :D |
| 22:31.50 | themill | !tell zmitya about paste |
| 22:31.59 | themill | !cluebat zmitya |
| 22:32.02 | DexterF | zmitya: nice shootin' :D |
| 22:32.02 | baktaah | themill, will do :) |
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| 22:32.32 | zmitya | DexterF: yes :) forgot it :( |
| 22:32.33 | DexterF | a cluebot! :D I love this channel |
| 22:32.52 | baktaah | themill, well I found nvidia-glx but not nvidia-glx-new :) so Im gonna try the nvidia driver instead and do it after shutting down GDM |
| 22:32.52 | mick_work | haha |
| 22:32.54 | baktaah | Ive done it before |
| 22:33.07 | DexterF | ok, gtg |
| 22:33.08 | Spiritus55 | How do you shutdown your desktop? |
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| 22:33.10 | mick_work | well - i think that this may have something to do with resources |
| 22:33.19 | mick_work | since i am running *many* apps at once |
| 22:33.29 | Spiritus55 | Ctrl+alt+Backspace only restarts it, so what do you do to shut it down. |
| 22:33.38 | baktaah | themill, brb and I let you know how it went :) thanks for the hel |
| 22:33.39 | baktaah | help |
| 22:33.51 | mick_work | perhaps the realtime audio isn't so realtime when i'm on irc, listening to music, and firefox is hogging it's usual chunk of memory |
| 22:33.54 | themill | baktaah: have fun... |
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| 22:34.04 | SeveredCross | Spiritus55: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 22:34.15 | baktaah | themill, I hope you werent sarcastic :) |
| 22:34.30 | mick_work | Spiritus55: from the commandline: shutdown -h 0 or from kde's menu "K" > "logout" |
| 22:34.33 | themill | baktaah: well I could have wished you good luck.... |
| 22:34.39 | Spiritus55 | SeveredCross: And how to start it up again? I'm guessing /etc/init.d/gdm start (and does this apply to GNOME?) |
| 22:34.48 | SeveredCross | Spiritus55: Correct. |
| 22:34.55 | mick_work | Spiritus55: ah i see what you mean, nm |
| 22:34.58 | SeveredCross | Yes, that's GNOME. |
| 22:35.08 | SeveredCross | gdm is gnome, kdm is kde, xdm is general X |
| 22:35.09 | Spiritus55 | mick_work: Yeah, you so, but I'm on GNOME, thanks anyway. |
| 22:35.11 | SeveredCross | Though you can really use any combination. |
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| 22:35.20 | Spiritus55 | Thanks. |
| 22:35.23 | SeveredCross | You can use gdm with KDE, kdm with GNOME, xdm with GNOME or KDE, etc. |
| 22:35.29 | mick_work | Spiritus55: i told you how to shutdown your computer |
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| 22:35.39 | mick_work | i actually sue gdm w/ gnome |
| 22:35.43 | mick_work | err, kde |
| 22:35.56 | Spiritus55 | mick_work: How do you manage that? |
| 22:36.22 | mick_work | look at "session" when you are at the login prompt (in gdm) |
| 22:36.34 | mick_work | you can choose from a bunch of things (whatever you have installed) |
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| 22:40.06 | themill | update-alternatives --config x-window-manager ; update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 22:40.25 | themill | ^^ change the default window manager system wide |
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| 22:40.52 | themill | You can also monkey with ~/.dmrc |
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| 22:41.09 | zmitya | so here are the things: http://paste.debian.net/36867 |
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| 22:42.14 | red_ | RAID2 question. |
| 22:42.17 | geo-rge | what are all these xxxx_xxxx.seem files in /root? |
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| 22:42.39 | en1gma | i know there are some people (who networking and how it works pretty good) in here...could someone take a look at this picture http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/network.jpg and tell me how its done or even better yet tell me what my /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/dhcp3/dhcp.conf should be |
| 22:42.42 | red_ | I have mirrored partitions of two 20 gig hard drives. Each partition (except swap) is mirrored. Standard sarge setup. |
| 22:43.02 | red_ | As a 'test' I unplugged one of the hard drives before reboot. no joy. How do I test raid? |
| 22:43.22 | en1gma | ive been trying for i would say last 3hrs with no success...the furthest i got was the windows box running putty could ssh into the linux box (through the wcg200) |
| 22:43.24 | petemc | en1gma: install ipmasq and dnsmasq |
| 22:43.28 | en1gma | but could not reach net |
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| 22:43.34 | red_ | if one of my physical disks explodes, how will i restore the data? |
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| 22:43.56 | zmitya | does anyone has an idea, or should I give up ? :) |
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| 22:44.15 | geo-rge | en1gma: ipmasq on the 2-nic box |
| 22:44.15 | en1gma | i was told ipmasq wouldnt work cause its enabled on the wcg200 already and if i ran it on the linux box too it would be double natting |
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| 22:44.31 | geo-rge | what';s a wcg200? |
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| 22:44.46 | red_ | raid fun?? |
| 22:44.55 | geo-rge | oh, your hub? |
| 22:44.59 | en1gma | wcg200 is pretty self explanatory in that pic...its a cable-modem/router/gateway |
| 22:45.10 | geo-rge | ahh, I see it now |
| 22:45.11 | geo-rge | but |
| 22:45.13 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:45.16 | geo-rge | your linux box is your router |
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| 22:45.38 | geo-rge | the wcg200 should be a plain switch or hub |
| 22:45.38 | en1gma | well everything from eth2 goes through eth1 |
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| 22:45.59 | en1gma | maybe since the cable-modem part wouldnt be working it wouldnt enable nat |
| 22:46.06 | geo-rge | you have eth0 and eth1 in the picture :) |
| 22:46.18 | en1gma | omg i mean nic2 (eth1) |
| 22:46.21 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:46.42 | geo-rge | ok, it's probably a matter of preference... |
| 22:46.50 | geo-rge | do you want your linux box to be the router? |
| 22:47.06 | geo-rge | if so, you shouldnt run services on it, it shouldn't be a general machine |
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| 22:47.59 | en1gma | well along time ago i experimented with hooking the wcg200 straight to my isps cable-modem (not through the coax) and when 1 computer was plugged into the wcg200 it worked fine but as soon as i added another to it it would switch to that one and the first comp would stop working |
| 22:48.04 | en1gma | so im not sure what i need |
| 22:48.23 | en1gma | but since the cable-modem dont work in the wcg200 it still has some good features...wireless too |
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| 22:48.44 | en1gma | geo-rge it might run snort and thats about it |
| 22:48.46 | geo-rge | well you could run a dhcp server on it and a dns which covers the internal machines and lets them look up external names as well as supplying an internal net (like en1gma.internal) |
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| 22:49.28 | en1gma | geo-rge and that is where it gets complicated for me...i set up dhcpd and bind9 to the best i could but it didnt work |
| 22:49.43 | geo-rge | then you could take the plastic router out of service |
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| 22:50.00 | sixtysixbilly | hi, trouble with nfs. changed /etc/hosts on server to include client hostname/ip but permission still refused after restarting using rc script |
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| 22:50.20 | en1gma | yea i was working on that part...but my "real" linux router is huge...but it has 5nics in it and i was using that as the router and it did work nice |
| 22:50.28 | geo-rge | git yer kix on route sixtysix |
| 22:50.39 | simonrvn | sixtysixbilly: and what did you expect would happen when you made that change? |
| 22:51.06 | en1gma | geo-rge http://forums.linksys.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Cable&thread.id=376 read message 3 |
| 22:51.10 | themill | geo-rge: secretly from .nz there.... that was a kiwi accent if I've ever seen one on irc |
| 22:51.28 | en1gma | this is for my router exactly but it might be a retail version where mine is cpe |
| 22:51.32 | sixtysixbilly | thought that nfs mount would work once the client hostname was found in the server's hosts file. its not in allow or deny so... |
| 22:51.38 | en1gma | customer premices equipment |
| 22:52.16 | geo-rge | en1gma: well you'd have to make a choice here... do you want to use the plastic router? or the linux box as the router? |
| 22:52.28 | simonrvn | ok, seems reasonable. you sure your exports files is ok? ;) |
| 22:52.32 | simonrvn | file* |
| 22:53.03 | geo-rge | also do you want to run dhcp? do you want a caching name server? or do you want that name server to also have an internal domain to name the machines on the inside? |
| 22:53.06 | en1gma | in almost everything i read on the net for this situation they use "cable-modem to linux box with (2 nics) 1 nic for ext net and 1 nic goes to a switch |
| 22:53.14 | en1gma | i would like that last sceneario |
| 22:53.23 | stiv2k_ | hey, any idea why network-manager-gnome was removed from apt? |
| 22:53.33 | en1gma | wcg200 to be able to let ppl with wireless connect to it to |
| 22:53.33 | geo-rge | ok so you want the linux box as router... |
| 22:53.46 | themill | !why isn't network-manager-gnome in testing |
| 22:53.55 | en1gma | i getting confused...what i want is that picture to work :) |
| 22:53.56 | themill | !why is network-manager-gnome not in testing |
| 22:53.57 | dpkg | network-manager-gnome is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=network-manager-gnome |
| 22:53.59 | themill | bah |
| 22:54.04 | sixtysixbilly | yeah - well only the one entry in it. /localfolder hostname(rw) |
| 22:54.04 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 22:54.04 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 22:54.14 | simonrvn | grammar on that thing is a bit odd |
| 22:54.18 | en1gma | http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/network.jpg <<<<thats what i want |
| 22:54.18 | JordiGH | Er, what should uid and gid be for mounting an NTFS partition? |
| 22:54.20 | geo-rge | you don't have a choice as to whether to use dhcp for the cable modem... your cable provider will tell you that |
| 22:54.21 | Nyle | hi |
| 22:54.25 | Nyle | I hurt myself today |
| 22:54.30 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 22:54.31 | geo-rge | how so? |
| 22:54.39 | Nyle | metal table corner, knee cap. |
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| 22:54.44 | Nyle | VERY hard |
| 22:54.44 | sixtysixbilly | as far as i can tell nfs is v3 |
| 22:54.44 | geo-rge | ugh |
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| 22:54.52 | simonrvn | ouch |
| 22:54.53 | geo-rge | broke it? |
| 22:54.55 | en1gma | geo-rge http://www.imagecoast.com/images/en1gma/network.jpg <<<<thats what i want |
| 22:54.57 | Nyle | no |
| 22:55.00 | Nyle | but its swollen a bit |
| 22:55.04 | Nyle | I put some biofreeze on it |
| 22:55.07 | simonrvn | sixtysixbilly: i just do it via IP |
| 22:55.20 | sixtysixbilly | right. i'll give that a go... |
| 22:55.29 | geo-rge | en1gma: why use the linksys router? |
| 22:55.29 | Nyle | !ntfs |
| 22:55.30 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 22:55.48 | Nyle | geo-rge: linksys is grand |
| 22:55.54 | Nyle | cheap little linux router for 30$ |
| 22:55.58 | geo-rge | that's too expensive! |
| 22:55.58 | Nyle | can't beat it |
| 22:56.02 | JordiGH | gid=xxx? |
| 22:56.04 | Nyle | so get a used one |
| 22:56.06 | en1gma | cause it has 4 ports, a usb port and wifi |
| 22:56.09 | Nyle | JordiGH: visit the links |
| 22:56.10 | geo-rge | I ain't paying a grand for a linksys! |
| 22:56.22 | Nyle | geo-rge: no you tool :) |
| 22:56.32 | Nyle | geo-rge: its grand. it costs 30$ or less |
| 22:56.36 | sam_ | I accidentally installed a sid system with a i486 kernel, I have since installed the correct i686 kenel, however even after running update-grub there is no grub entry for the 686 kernel. What can I do to make it show up please? |
| 22:56.38 | JordiGH | Nyle: Uh, I can't grep for uid in the link. |
| 22:56.50 | geo-rge | now yoiu're just trying to confuse me :P |
| 22:56.52 | en1gma | a linksys wireless g with 4 ports is at least $50.00 |
| 22:56.59 | themill | !confuse geo-rge |
| 22:57.00 | dpkg | No, those was your badger yesterday, geo-rge? breeches of the people's republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 22:57.14 | Nyle | JordiGH: I just mount it as mount -t ntfs -o ro blah /blah |
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| 22:57.23 | en1gma | if mine can work it dont make no sence in buying another one |
| 22:57.29 | Nyle | JordiGH: and user can access it |
| 22:57.41 | en1gma | http://forums.linksys.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Cable&thread.id=376 <<<message 3 says he got his to work just fine |
| 22:57.43 | geo-rge | Nyle: seriously... he's got a linux box with 2 nics, and it's already wired properly |
| 22:57.54 | Nyle | geo-rge: so? |
| 22:58.03 | Nyle | all I said was linksys is a great little cheap router |
| 22:58.10 | JordiGH | Nyle: Nope, that isn't working... |
| 22:58.10 | Nyle | what that has anything at all to do with this guy, is beyond me. |
| 22:58.23 | simonrvn | sam_: is it in /boot at all? |
| 22:58.28 | en1gma | Nyle if this one dont work i have a dsl cable-modem/router/gateway i gonna try next |
| 22:58.29 | en1gma | :) |
| 22:58.34 | Nyle | go for it |
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| 22:58.40 | en1gma | as you can see i am |
| 22:58.42 | Nyle | im not helping you, geo-rge is, bug him |
| 22:58.43 | Nyle | :) |
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| 22:58.56 | en1gma | stand back and you might learn somehting |
| 22:58.58 | sixtysixbilly | simonrvn: changed hostname in exports for IP, restarted using /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart |
| 22:59.01 | Nyle | JordiGH: hmm, hang on man |
| 22:59.12 | simonrvn | sixtysixbilly: exportfs man |
| 22:59.16 | JordiGH | The ntfsro says to do put "user" in the options... I guess I don't mind if anyone is able to mount/unmount. |
| 22:59.26 | JordiGH | Er, the ntfsro factoid. |
| 22:59.46 | geo-rge | en1gma: if you want that scenario, then the next decision is what masqd ips do you want inside |
| 22:59.59 | Nyle | JordiGH: just put in your user/group id numbers |
| 23:00.12 | sam_ | simonrvn, need to reboot to check.. back in a min.. |
| 23:00.21 | simonrvn | er, no |
| 23:00.22 | Nyle | JordiGH: like mount -t ntfs -o ro,uid=1000,gid=1000 etc. if you want |
| 23:00.24 | beardy | !reboot |
| 23:00.24 | dpkg | you want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about qotd2, or for chumps |
| 23:00.25 | Nyle | i dunno |
| 23:00.27 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:00.36 | simonrvn | !kill windows |
| 23:00.39 | en1gma | here is about all i know...the linksys i think is supposed to get dhcp when you use a "cross-over" cable from the linux box to the wcg200 |
| 23:00.39 | JordiGH | Is the uid a mask? |
| 23:00.43 | Nyle | yes |
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| 23:00.45 | Nyle | usermask |
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| 23:00.51 | Spida | anybody here using openafs? I am getting segfaults in aklog... |
| 23:00.52 | JordiGH | Oh, not userid. :-/ |
| 23:00.54 | stiv2k_ | hey, any idea why network-manager-gnome was removed from apt? |
| 23:00.56 | en1gma | i have to set my eth1 to 192.168.0.1 or i cant access it |
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| 23:01.07 | en1gma | eth0 = dhcp and eth1 = static |
| 23:01.15 | simonrvn | dpkg> network-manager-gnome is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=network-manager-gnome |
| 23:01.15 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 23:01.16 | Nyle | JordiGH: for ntfs fstab entry it would look something like defaults,user,GID=1000,umask=0222,ro |
| 23:01.18 | en1gma | thats in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:01.20 | paakku | My java-gcj-compat 1.0.76-5 build failed, apparently because /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt is empty (in ca-certificates postinst, I chose not to trust any certificates). Is that a bug in the build script; should it use some predefined set of certificates, instead of copying the local settings? |
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| 23:01.25 | simonrvn | crap |
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| 23:01.34 | stiv2k_ | simonrvn: talkin to me? |
| 23:01.36 | simonrvn | !forget network-manager-gnome |
| 23:01.36 | dpkg | i forgot network-manager-gnome, simonrvn |
| 23:01.45 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:01.51 | frog | any clue how can i fix this? 'm trying to cross compile uclinux with: ../gcc-3.2.2/configure --target=h8300-elf for hitachi edosk-2674. the error is h8300-elf-ld.real: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-h8300 (sctp_sm_statetable.o) to format elf32-h8300 (sctp.o) is not supported |
| 23:01.54 | simonrvn | themill triggered that for you earlier |
| 23:02.00 | stiv2k_ | simonrvn: so wait why isnt it in there? |
| 23:02.08 | simonrvn | GO SEE |
| 23:02.09 | themill | READ! |
| 23:02.12 | stiv2k_ | simonrvn: sorry they didnt reference my nick and i never saw it.. the channel is scrollign to fast |
| 23:02.14 | dalias | frog, ask in #uclinux maybe |
| 23:02.15 | en1gma | if i change /etc/network/interfaces eth1 to static 192.168.2.1 i can not get wcg200 to ping even when i have dhcpd issueing host ips |
| 23:02.22 | simonrvn | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=network-manager-gnome |
| 23:02.25 | JordiGH | Nyle: thanks |
| 23:02.26 | stiv2k_ | ok |
| 23:02.27 | stiv2k_ | simonrvn: thanks |
| 23:02.34 | en1gma | now i havent ran ipmasq yet but i did port forward in /etc/network/firewall |
| 23:02.41 | dalias | i doubt many debian ppl know about cross-compiling for mmu-less systems |
| 23:02.43 | geo-rge | you can either answer the question "how many machines max, inside?" or just go for something like 10.* or 172.(16-31).* |
| 23:02.52 | frog | dalias: is there any #uclinux? |
| 23:02.54 | simonrvn | feh i gotta restart x, brb |
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| 23:03.09 | en1gma | it will prob be 10max on the local lan (wcg200) |
| 23:03.09 | dalias | i thought there was but maybe not... |
| 23:03.12 | geo-rge | en1gma: you don't need that thing :) |
| 23:03.17 | en1gma | more like 5-6 maybe |
| 23:03.19 | sixtysixbilly | simonvrn: looks like that got it, although it's a 120Gb partition so I might be waiting a while to find out. cheers. |
| 23:03.28 | dalias | (seemed to remember always telling ppl to go there when they came to #uclibc asking about uclinux) |
| 23:03.30 | geo-rge | ok |
| 23:03.39 | stiv2k_ | simonrvn: so we have to wait for the network-manager-applet to be 10 days old for it to show up? |
| 23:03.39 | dalias | (#uclibc is NOT the uclinux help chan :) |
| 23:03.53 | simonrvn | sixtysixbilly: np |
| 23:03.53 | sixtysixbilly | yep. cheers |
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| 23:04.01 | geo-rge | let me ask you this... is the wcg200 acting like a hub? |
| 23:04.09 | en1gma | geo-rge if it is possible i would like to run my usb cable from the linux box to the wcg200 freeing up all 4 rj-45 ports |
| 23:04.16 | geo-rge | if no, do you have a hub? :) |
| 23:04.24 | protoloko | how can i generate with a script an alert in the syslog log |
| 23:04.25 | protoloko | heh |
| 23:04.26 | en1gma | but from what i read there needs to be a cross over cable so it recieves dhcp |
| 23:04.27 | protoloko | or message log |
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| 23:04.47 | en1gma | nope the only other hub i have is a full blown linux box with 5nics in it |
| 23:04.50 | en1gma | no wireless |
| 23:04.53 | paakku | protoloko: try the "logger" program |
| 23:05.04 | geo-rge | hmm |
| 23:05.06 | en1gma | well i have that dsl-modem/router/gateway |
| 23:05.11 | en1gma | 4 ports and wireless to |
| 23:05.13 | paakku | protoloko: in bsdutils |
| 23:05.30 | sam_ | simonrvn, it does show up along with a file called initrd.img-2.6.22-2-686.bak |
| 23:06.05 | en1gma | geo-rge you think it can be done with the wcg200 |
| 23:06.10 | geo-rge | maybe |
| 23:06.11 | sixtysixbilly | later |
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| 23:06.17 | en1gma | from what i did read that guy said he did do it with a pix |
| 23:06.22 | geo-rge | but I dunno about the usb thing |
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| 23:06.26 | en1gma | you read that message right? |
| 23:06.45 | geo-rge | no, not the web thing |
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| 23:06.49 | en1gma | i dont think usb will work either |
| 23:06.56 | en1gma | let me get it |
| 23:07.04 | geo-rge | well hold up... |
| 23:07.08 | geo-rge | this is simple |
| 23:07.16 | sam_ | this is the contents of /boot ; http://pastebin.ca/692793 |
| 23:07.19 | geo-rge | if the wcg acts like a hub |
| 23:07.19 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/692794 |
| 23:07.32 | geo-rge | then we can get a few machines going |
| 23:08.05 | en1gma | that would be great |
| 23:08.36 | simonrvn | sam_: is there an initrd like that with no .bak on it? |
| 23:08.40 | geo-rge | ok, before we start (I assume your net is running right now?) |
| 23:08.49 | simonrvn | eh bbiab, i gotta reboot to my new kernel |
| 23:08.52 | geo-rge | are these machines just yours or what? |
| 23:08.53 | en1gma | to make this wcg200 recieve a dhcp for its internal lan to my understanding the cross over and probably a correctly configured dhcpd would do it |
| 23:08.59 | JordiGH | So word on the street is that ntfs-3g isn't as hot as announced, yes? |
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| 23:09.14 | geo-rge | well it doesn't need an ip under this scenario |
| 23:09.25 | en1gma | i have 3 computers in here that are mine and my friends bring theres over all the time |
| 23:09.31 | en1gma | my cousin leaves his alot |
| 23:09.53 | geo-rge | ok, so this isn't like your work and thousands of people depend on the net... right? :)P |
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| 23:09.58 | en1gma | nope |
| 23:10.00 | en1gma | not at all |
| 23:10.06 | sam_ | simonrvn, there is one initrd.img.2.6-486 and one initrd.26-686 ... |
| 23:10.33 | geo-rge | ok, what machine are you using right now to talk here? |
| 23:10.57 | en1gma | well i had to take that pic apart and hook my isp cable-modem straight to my windows box |
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| 23:11.09 | en1gma | just to get on here quick and ask some questions |
| 23:11.15 | en1gma | and search in google |
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| 23:11.30 | geo-rge | oh, can you install an irc client on the linux box and come here with that? |
| 23:11.40 | geo-rge | the one with the two nics |
| 23:11.49 | en1gma | yea thats not a problem but i have a huge problem copying and pasting |
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| 23:11.56 | en1gma | that linux box in the pic is cli only |
| 23:11.57 | en1gma | no X |
| 23:12.02 | geo-rge | it's ok, you won't need to |
| 23:12.23 | en1gma | ok im gonna hook the cable-modem straight to that linux box with 2 nics |
| 23:12.28 | en1gma | and brb in bitchx |
| 23:12.31 | geo-rge | (otoh, you could put a mouse on it and run gpm) |
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| 23:12.44 | geo-rge | but do what you're saying first |
| 23:12.48 | en1gma | i have gpm installed but it never copies right |
| 23:12.57 | geo-rge | ok well :) |
| 23:12.59 | en1gma | i have gpm and mc |
| 23:13.10 | en1gma | but when i copy from one term to another it dont do it |
| 23:13.19 | en1gma | or one tty |
| 23:13.24 | geo-rge | don't worry about that for now... |
| 23:13.41 | en1gma | ok gimmie min i have to reset my cable modem for it to work ok |
| 23:13.53 | en1gma | hey |
| 23:14.00 | en1gma | any settings you want me to set now |
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| 23:14.10 | en1gma | right now eth0 = dhcp and it appears to work fine |
| 23:14.28 | en1gma | eth1 you want it to be the same ip as the wcg200? |
| 23:14.36 | geo-rge | no I don't think so... mainly just get the linux box to the cable modem, make sure that works, come back |
| 23:14.38 | en1gma | wcg200 = 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:14.46 | en1gma | ok brb |
| 23:14.48 | en1gma | and thnx |
| 23:14.54 | geo-rge | np |
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| 23:17.45 | themill | geo-rge: good luck with that one.... |
| 23:18.00 | geo-rge | he's not listening to certain things... |
| 23:18.09 | geo-rge | but I guess he doesn't have to understand |
| 23:18.12 | themill | s/certain /any/ |
| 23:18.48 | geo-rge | you think that thing will work as a plain ol dumb hub? |
| 23:18.57 | themill | geo-rge: you do know that this saga has been going on for some days now.... |
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| 23:19.15 | geo-rge | no, didn't know that |
| 23:19.18 | themill | yeah, it'll work. pebkac |
| 23:19.24 | geo-rge | ok |
| 23:19.57 | geo-rge | we'll just eliminate the object bkac for now |
| 23:20.10 | themill | but of course, maybe you'll succeed where everyone else has failed/given up :) |
| 23:20.35 | geo-rge | this should be really simple |
| 23:20.42 | themill | *nod* |
| 23:20.43 | geo-rge | how old is he if you know? |
| 23:21.22 | themill | no idea. I thought he said he used to be an aircraft maintenance engineer or something. |
| 23:21.43 | themill | Many comments on goat sacrificing and adding another airline to the "do not fly" list were made. |
| 23:21.57 | geo-rge | ok so he's some kind of older engineer type |
| 23:22.17 | themill | guess so. |
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| 23:23.03 | geo-rge | can't succeed if he doesn't get here :) |
| 23:23.31 | themill | He was also banned for getting abusive to ppl over the weekend. |
| 23:23.44 | geo-rge | what kind of abuse |
| 23:23.49 | geo-rge | maybe he got drunk? |
| 23:24.02 | geo-rge | I know that's not an excuse |
| 23:24.44 | themill | geo-rge: just getting pretty lippy to azeem. Telling him how to read the manual. don got bored of it. |
| 23:25.17 | themill | I wasn't around but that was what I was told. |
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| 23:25.25 | geo-rge | ok |
| 23:25.51 | geo-rge | that shouldn't be too difficult... the one difficulty now is getting him to connect |
| 23:26.17 | streuner | themill: Who ist that? |
| 23:26.25 | themill | en1gma |
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| 23:28.08 | streuner | what kind of ban? |
| 23:28.45 | themill | ip |
| 23:28.56 | streuner | +q? |
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| 23:29.32 | streuner | !seen en1gma |
| 23:29.32 | dpkg | en1gma <i=abc@12-219-55-6.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14m 44s ago, saying: 'and thnx'. |
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| 23:30.18 | JordiGH | When using apt-cacher, a client is stalling at "waiting for headers". What does this mean? |
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| 23:30.38 | themill | streuner: I think so: [14:37:07] <azeem> don finally +q'd him |
| 23:31.04 | streuner | usually 24 hours... |
| 23:31.23 | themill | still in place though, just different ip. |
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| 23:31.34 | JordiGH | What confuses me the most is that seemingly the apt-cacher server can apt-get update and aptitude dist-upgrade with no problems, why would one of the clients be stalling, then? |
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| 23:32.33 | streuner | themill: so tell him, he should speak to both about... |
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| 23:32.47 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 23:33.09 | qmr_ | Can I install debian on top of the centos in this virtuozoo VPS ? |
| 23:33.21 | streuner | !centos |
| 23:33.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, centos is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. Check it out at http://www.centos.org/projects/centos, or for IRC support, use #centos |
| 23:33.45 | Nyle | ~07:30 DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from ArabBu |
| 23:33.45 | Nyle | 07:30 DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from ArabUA |
| 23:33.45 | Nyle | 07:30 DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from Arabyr |
| 23:33.47 | Nyle | wtf |
| 23:33.51 | Nyle | did anyone else get these? |
| 23:34.00 | streuner | no |
| 23:34.01 | Nyle | all of a sudden i got like 50 of these |
| 23:34.19 | troubled | ubuntu got hit |
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| 23:34.26 | Nyle | ohhh |
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| 23:34.31 | troubled | ban on Arub*!*@* |
| 23:34.36 | troubled | err Arab... |
| 23:34.45 | JordiGH | Racism! |
| 23:34.49 | streuner | haha |
| 23:34.54 | troubled | no fair! |
| 23:35.12 | geo-rge | it's his fault :P |
| 23:35.48 | geo-rge | he's trying to get someone to ban all arab* and have someone say Racism! |
| 23:35.48 | Nyle | its all your faultings |
| 23:35.51 | Nyle | I am upsettings |
| 23:36.00 | Nyle | broadbandings |
| 23:36.04 | Nyle | fonejacker.tv |
| 23:36.07 | Nyle | click broadbandings |
| 23:36.19 | petemc | yes, we've seen phonejacker |
| 23:36.22 | petemc | go away |
| 23:36.27 | geo-rge | soundings like fruitcakings |
| 23:36.41 | Nyle | petemc: and why are you being a penis? |
| 23:36.49 | Nyle | just curious |
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| 23:37.26 | beardy | Penis envy? |
| 23:37.35 | Nyle | beardy: my favorite brit |
| 23:37.37 | geo-rge | envyings? |
| 23:37.39 | Nyle | :) whats up man |
| 23:37.40 | streuner | dick! :-) |
| 23:37.41 | Nyle | geo-rge: hahaha |
| 23:37.44 | beardy | brit? |
| 23:38.00 | Nyle | beardy: aren't you british? |
| 23:38.09 | streuner | since when you using a ugly word like penis instead of dick? :-) |
| 23:38.16 | Nyle | streuner: its more effective |
| 23:38.18 | infernix | i'm a bit disenchanted by courier-imapd performance. has anyone tried dovecot in comparison? |
| 23:38.21 | streuner | thats a joke |
| 23:38.25 | geo-rge | so dick is prettier to you? :) |
| 23:38.30 | streuner | yeah |
| 23:38.33 | petemc | infernix: not in comparison, but i use dovecot, its v good |
| 23:38.40 | beardy | Nyle: Nope. |
| 23:38.51 | Nyle | nm |
| 23:38.55 | Nyle | that was blondie |
| 23:38.56 | streuner | geo-rge: we usually call things right ;-) |
| 23:38.57 | infernix | petemc: im on a gbit lan, deleting 6k messages takes ~30 seconds. the purging a bit longer. how'd dovecot do? |
| 23:39.18 | infernix | petemc: both boxes are fast, c2d and quadcore, raid 5 with 10 disks for the imap server |
| 23:39.19 | petemc | dont have any stats other than "it works well for me" |
| 23:39.22 | infernix | heh |
| 23:39.25 | infernix | okay. |
| 23:39.25 | petemc | where me = 1000 or so users |
| 23:39.34 | geo-rge | oic... a pretty dick bent to the right... ooookkkkk... |
| 23:39.35 | beardy | Nyle: I see. I think he has another nick, which I don't recall now.. |
| 23:39.42 | beardy | +now |
| 23:39.47 | streuner | haha |
| 23:39.48 | infernix | yeah it works and scales fine, but i expected higher performance |
| 23:39.51 | Nyle | beardy: its stoned btw |
| 23:40.06 | beardy | Nyle: Oh, yes, see new nicks is confusing! |
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| 23:40.21 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:40.30 | Nyle | its old |
| 23:41.06 | karsten | Nyle: You're stoned? |
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| 23:41.11 | karsten | Nyle: I thought you gave that stuff up. |
| 23:41.16 | Nyle | not right now |
| 23:41.18 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:41.22 | JordiGH | How can I figure out if apt is trying to connect to my local proxy or to a server out there in the internet? |
| 23:41.24 | sam_ | so it seems that update-grub fails to work on sid in certain situations, should i bother reporting this as a bug? |
| 23:41.41 | geo-rge | what situation? |
| 23:41.45 | JordiGH | sam_: Yes, if someone else hasn't reported it yet. |
| 23:41.47 | karsten | sam_: Depends on the certain situations and how it doesn't work. |
| 23:41.58 | Nyle | karsten: I did for half a year, and I just started recently again and now I'm going to quit again. Ofcourse now I have no chioce because Ramadan is in 2 days and I have to fast. |
| 23:42.11 | Nyle | which also means no pottage, music, prawn, secks, etc. etc. |
| 23:42.20 | sam_ | where you install a 486 kernel then a 686 it fails to pick up the 686... |
| 23:42.32 | geo-rge | so you've quit between smoke 2 joints in the morning? |
| 23:42.33 | streuner | so you are a muslim? |
| 23:42.51 | streuner | sure, prolly 3 NOW ;-) |
| 23:42.52 | Nyle | nope |
| 23:43.02 | streuner | heh |
| 23:43.05 | Nyle | I think I was born one |
| 23:43.07 | karsten | Nyle: You have to delete /etc for ramadan? |
| 23:43.14 | JordiGH | Nyle: You don't have a choice to abandon your religion? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2426314.ece |
| 23:43.16 | Nyle | but that was like 26 years ago |
| 23:43.31 | sam_ | can anyone suggest a way of getting a correct grub entry in this situation?? |
| 23:43.39 | JordiGH | sam_: Do it manually. :-/ |
| 23:43.44 | sam_ | how? |
| 23:43.50 | Nyle | JordiGH: its not a religion. Its a spiritual thing for me. I like to clean out my mind and body for 1 month every year regardless of anything else. It doesn't have much to do with islam imo |
| 23:43.52 | beardy | Yes, just edit your menu.lst? |
| 23:43.54 | JordiGH | sam_: You're running sid. Figure it out. ;-) |
| 23:43.54 | karsten | !tell sam_ about paster |
| 23:43.56 | beardy | sam_: ^^ |
| 23:44.05 | Nyle | JordiGH: but since I was born one, I practice maybe 0.00001% |
| 23:44.09 | Nyle | of the time |
| 23:44.14 | JordiGH | Ah, yes, one of those, "I'm not religious, just spiritual", as if there were a difference. |
| 23:44.24 | karsten | sam_: Um, what kernel, local/custom? Are you installing via dpkg? Isnt' grub being autoconfigured? Paste your menu.list to pastebin. |
| 23:44.26 | JordiGH | You believe in things that aren't there. |
| 23:44.27 | Nyle | there is a huge difference |
| 23:44.31 | JordiGH | There's no difference. |
| 23:44.33 | Nyle | I don't believe in a god |
| 23:44.50 | JordiGH | But you believe in some cosmic force driving the universe or some similar thing. |
| 23:44.52 | geo-rge | that's not muslim, that's atheism :) |
| 23:44.58 | Nyle | JordiGH: not at all |
| 23:45.00 | Nyle | gravity maybe |
| 23:45.01 | Nyle | sure |
| 23:45.05 | streuner | ok, we should drop that topics... |
| 23:45.07 | geo-rge | does atheisom have a ramadan? :) |
| 23:45.12 | JordiGH | Right, we should drop it. |
| 23:45.14 | Nyle | if you want it to :) |
| 23:45.19 | Nyle | yes we should |
| 23:45.48 | Nyle | but yes, I believe in gravity |
| 23:46.01 | beardy | I think he appreciates that. |
| 23:46.02 | streuner | any translation for "klickbunti"? |
| 23:46.10 | geo-rge | so topicdropping is a real thing? |
| 23:46.15 | Nyle | in fact, has anyone read anything about the holographic model of the universe |
| 23:46.17 | Nyle | its very interesting |
| 23:46.22 | streuner | german -> english |
| 23:46.36 | Nyle | klickbunti? |
| 23:46.36 | beardy | streuner: Hmm, bunti? |
| 23:46.43 | Nyle | is that like a really lame female version of ubuntu |
| 23:46.44 | Nyle | ? |
| 23:46.55 | streuner | beardy: (with colors) |
| 23:47.00 | JordiGH | I believe in miracles (you sexy thing!) |
| 23:47.02 | Nyle | I am currently reading The Druid of Shannara by Terry Brooks |
| 23:47.09 | geo-rge | lots n lots of goddy stuff |
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| 23:47.23 | JordiGH | Oh, man. I read the Druid of Shannara when I was a young teen. I'm not proud. |
| 23:47.27 | Nyle | geo-rge: try Daniel Dannettes's book called Freedom Evolves |
| 23:47.40 | beardy | streuner: I thought klick, was click, but I guess I'm wrong about that then. |
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| 23:47.46 | geo-rge | are you in the US? |
| 23:47.57 | Nyle | yes |
| 23:48.03 | streuner | beardy: no, but its hard to find a "working" translation |
| 23:48.03 | Nyle | in the city that never sleeps |
| 23:48.09 | karsten | geo-rge: NYC last we heard. |
| 23:48.19 | geo-rge | you might check out Aaron Russo's last movie |
| 23:48.23 | Nyle | in fact, i have half day tomorrow |
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| 23:48.28 | Nyle | and next 3 days off |
| 23:48.29 | geo-rge | if you're into freedom that is :) |
| 23:48.31 | Nyle | I might go bug rahul |
| 23:48.36 | beardy | streuner: Ok, yes.. I don't know what word you mean.. |
| 23:48.39 | Nyle | rahul: you here, or there? |
| 23:48.45 | sam_ | karsten, http://pastebin.ca/692862 installing via synaptic, grub is not being autoconfigured kernel 2.6.22-2-686 |
| 23:49.00 | sam_ | standard sid kernel |
| 23:49.04 | xaque | I would like to cluster a couple services I have running on some of the debian boxes I have, mysql in particular. Do I need to sacrifice the entire box to the cluster, or can I add the feature while still allowing certian services on the boxes to be exclusive? |
| 23:49.20 | karsten | sam_: "update-grub" does what? |
| 23:49.21 | szachista | hi |
| 23:49.23 | streuner | beardy: this term is in use in .de, but it doesnt exist a term in english, which is very unusual |
| 23:49.33 | geo-rge | sam_: and the same result if you run update-grub yourself? |
| 23:49.43 | Nyle | streuner: well, there is no word for 'fuck' in my language, Urdu |
| 23:49.47 | beardy | streuner: What does it mean, if you try to translate it, even if it sounds bad then? |
| 23:49.52 | Nyle | in fact, there isn't even one in hindi, or punjabi |
| 23:50.03 | streuner | beardy: no translation |
| 23:50.14 | Nyle | i suppose its a good thing |
| 23:50.18 | streuner | Nyle: yeah, hard to translate that too |
| 23:50.23 | sam_ | the very same |
| 23:50.25 | geo-rge | there's no word for intercourse? or sex? |
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| 23:50.32 | Nyle | not really |
| 23:50.34 | Nyle | not one word |
| 23:50.42 | geo-rge | there |
| 23:50.43 | karsten | Nyle: debian-offtopic |
| 23:50.44 | JordiGH | Not even taboo words? |
| 23:50.46 | dalias | yeah right... |
| 23:50.49 | geo-rge | s kama sutra |
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| 23:50.58 | osmosis | what is the deal with Pheonix Bios - Large Disk Access Method (DOS or Other) ? |
| 23:51.10 | sam_ | update-grub claims that it has found the .22 kernel but actually fails to update the list |
| 23:51.11 | tobias | i just upgraded to etch and now bugzilla is broken. it seems that the URL is wrong, because when i try to login, the form posts to the wrong URL. however, it looks like i need to login to fix the URL. what can i do? |
| 23:51.15 | Nyle | karsten: why don't you address streuner as well |
| 23:51.16 | beardy | osmosis: What do you mean? |
| 23:51.18 | Nyle | why am I singled out? |
| 23:51.20 | geo-rge | are your drives empty/unformatted? |
| 23:51.20 | Nyle | wtf |
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| 23:51.33 | osmosis | beardy: what is it for? can it cause problems. How does the linux kernel deal with it ? |
| 23:51.34 | szachista | after installation of one backage my system seems to be broken. This is what dpkg returns: http://wklej.org/id/6e3a1095c1 |
| 23:51.35 | karsten | Nyle: You tell him, I'm busy. |
| 23:51.41 | szachista | package* |
| 23:51.41 | geo-rge | you finally made it :P |
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| 23:51.50 | dalias | osmosis, i suspect it switches 'LBA' mode on/off |
| 23:51.52 | karsten | streuner: ^^ |
| 23:51.54 | Nyle | hey! stop being offtopic :/ |
| 23:52.01 | Nyle | karsten: happy? |
| 23:52.03 | Nyle | :D |
| 23:52.04 | osmosis | dalias: yah...thats LBA mode ? can that cause issues ? |
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| 23:52.11 | szachista | after this my working partition becomes read-only and i can't even reboot my computer |
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| 23:52.21 | dalias | thats a complicated question :( |
| 23:52.49 | geo-rge | osmosis: do you have partitions on the drive already? |
| 23:53.00 | szachista | is it serious partition error? i mean do i have some bad sectors or sth like that? |
| 23:53.02 | osmosis | geo-rge: yes |
| 23:53.14 | JordiGH | szachista: Looks like it. What's firestarter? |
| 23:53.18 | geo-rge | ok, just switch around until you can see them |
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| 23:53.27 | beardy | osmosis: Well, just let it be On? Either it only affects DOS, or it affects if the bios can handle large harddrives at all. |
| 23:53.29 | JordiGH | firewall program. |
| 23:53.37 | szachista | JohnDoh: it's jsut simple firewall configurator, it shouldn't brake anything |
| 23:53.44 | JordiGH | szachista: Did you recently, like, dunk your computer in a lake or something? |
| 23:53.46 | geo-rge | with a booted debian installer maybe |
| 23:54.17 | szachista | JordiGH: this error occours only if i run dpkg/aptitude/synaptic |
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| 23:54.41 | szachista | JohnDoh: everything is working find if i don't run any packag management program |
| 23:54.55 | beardy | !tell en1gma_ -about root |
| 23:55.00 | JordiGH | szachista: dpkg/aptitude/synaptic shouldn't be causing ext3 errors! Boot from a rescue cd and fsck -f your drive. |
| 23:55.04 | geo-rge | ohh, that's why |
| 23:55.13 | geo-rge | you can't talk here cause you're root |
| 23:55.20 | szachista | JordiGH: ok, thx |
| 23:55.23 | karsten | Nyle: Unspeakably so. |
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| 23:55.35 | karsten | Nyle: The bad news is you've got very little to do with it ;-) |
| 23:55.37 | Nyle | glad someone is |
| 23:55.44 | Nyle | awe :( |
| 23:55.48 | Nyle | I like to make people happy |
| 23:55.49 | geo-rge | en1gma_: you're root... (which is +quieted here) |
| 23:56.18 | themill | geo-rge: only just joined |
| 23:56.25 | geo-rge | I see that |
| 23:56.37 | geo-rge | :) |
| 23:56.51 | themill | ok... wasn't sure (I normally have all join/part turned off) |
| 23:57.05 | adrakoa | a question |
| 23:57.13 | adrakoa | he could use : init 1 |
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| 23:57.27 | geo-rge | "why I eyes ys??!" |
| 23:57.29 | hatter_ | if i want gdm to do auto logins , where does the password for the user go ? |
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| 23:58.03 | geo-rge | en1gma: can you talk now? |
| 23:58.30 | en1gma | geo-rge finally |
| 23:58.35 | geo-rge | ok good |
| 23:58.38 | en1gma | sorry man |
| 23:58.42 | en1gma | omg |
| 23:58.45 | geo-rge | so... you were gone awhile... problems? |
| 23:58.50 | en1gma | well i got good news and bad news. |
| 23:59.02 | en1gma | well i had to fool with it to even get on net |
| 23:59.07 | en1gma | BUT |
| 23:59.10 | geo-rge | the good news first! |
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| 23:59.12 | geo-rge | NONO |
| 23:59.17 | geo-rge | the bad news first! |
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| 23:59.42 | en1gma | good news = the windows machine can run bitchx in putty and make it to net if that meams anything |
| 23:59.52 | themill | !confuse geo-rge |
| 23:59.53 | dpkg | Yes, who was our hamster tomorrow, geo-rge? pants of the dictatorship of belarus with extra crabpaste |
