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| 00:00.21 | en1gma | im on the linux box in X but fluxbox and when i join a channel it takes forever to get in cause 800 ppl have to be displayed first |
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| 00:00.58 | en1gma | the windpws box can not reach web with web browser with url or ip |
| 00:00.58 | geo-rge | ok... so: |
| 00:01.14 | geo-rge | yes, I figured... |
| 00:01.18 | geo-rge | !paste |
| 00:01.19 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 00:01.47 | en1gma | and even if it does (which i got that far long time ago...if i ever hook up a 2nd box to the wcg200 it will lose connection and the new box will gain the connection |
| 00:02.04 | en1gma | paste what |
| 00:02.37 | geo-rge | I just pasted something... but hold on, first you look at your own: iptables -L |
| 00:02.39 | geo-rge | as root |
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| 00:02.45 | geo-rge | see if it matches this: |
| 00:02.52 | geo-rge | http://paste.debian.net/36870 |
| 00:03.03 | en1gma | i think i need to install a web browser |
| 00:03.04 | en1gma | 1 sec |
| 00:03.18 | geo-rge | oh, hmm, wait then |
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| 00:03.59 | geo-rge | en1gma: donm't bother right now |
| 00:04.11 | CcSsNET | themill, via BB??? |
| 00:04.25 | CcSsNET | maybe telnet. or ftp . . . |
| 00:04.27 | themill | CcSsNET: yes, thanks.... |
| 00:04.28 | CcSsNET | even |
| 00:04.32 | geo-rge | themill: probably that was mosaic by effffteeeepeee |
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| 00:05.36 | phz114n | geo-rge: We talked a bit yesterday about an error message that appeared during boot when I used an initramfs for my kernel. I switched to using Yaird to generate the image, and now it works. Something is fishy with mkinitramfs, it seems. The scripts it generated apparently tries to make use of modprobe, but a (compiled-in) module that is called net-pf-1 which is required for modprobe to work seems to not be available (?), so it automatically tries to |
| 00:05.43 | phz114n | Man, that was a long message :-) |
| 00:05.50 | geo-rge | en1gma: umm you're going to need to listen and connect to what I'm saying... because this should take 5 mins and end up, 2 hours and counting |
| 00:06.05 | sam_ | even when i edit my menu.list manually it only shows 486 kernels.. |
| 00:06.05 | themill | phz114n: and it was truncated at "automatically tries to"... |
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| 00:06.35 | phz114n | geo-rge: ..."load it using modprobe again, goto10" |
| 00:07.23 | en1gma | dude i only have 64meg mem |
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| 00:07.30 | geo-rge | en1gma: NOTICE: my time is valuable... so I'm resetting my availability to about 10% |
| 00:07.31 | phz114n | oh, themill, not geo-rge who asked that |
| 00:07.33 | en1gma | im gonna have to get back to console |
| 00:08.00 | en1gma | brb |
| 00:08.00 | geo-rge | en1gma: you didn't need x |
| 00:08.03 | geo-rge | :) |
| 00:08.09 | en1gma | bitchx installed it |
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| 00:08.19 | geo-rge | weird |
| 00:08.22 | en1gma | brb |
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| 00:09.44 | en1gma | ok i can see now |
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| 00:10.02 | en1gma | all i have is w3b to look on the web |
| 00:10.08 | en1gma | whats the pastebin |
| 00:10.34 | en1gma | geo-rge can you give me that pastebin again |
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| 00:11.02 | broken | Hmm I just bought a new laptop, im currently a gentoo user.. I was thinking maybe of somethign a little less time consuming to install, is debian just pretty much click and go? |
| 00:11.42 | themill | broken: yes. It's worthwhile reading a couple of installation reports though. Helps eliminate surprises. |
| 00:11.43 | JordiGH | If you like the default install, yes. :-) |
| 00:11.48 | themill | !tell broken about laptops |
| 00:12.13 | anabain | Hi, I'm having trouble in updating from kernel 2.6.16(custom) to 2.6.22(precompiled). It seems as if the filesystems weren'r recognized at boot. I have a SATA disk. I've tried to change /dev/sda5 into /dev/hda5 in grub's menu.lst, but this doesn't do the trick. Any ideas? |
| 00:12.23 | broken | I'm too scared to try it out haha. |
| 00:12.35 | broken | Is wireless/graphics picked up right from the start or? |
| 00:12.43 | anabain | Hi, I'm having trouble in updating from kernel 2.6.16(custom) to 2.6.22 |
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| 00:13.02 | anabain | (this last message is the first part of my question) |
| 00:13.47 | themill | broken: graphics: usually (but not ati or nvidia non-free drivers) wireless: not in the installer but trivial to setup afterwards if it's well supported hardware.... (e.g. ipw2* or ipw3*) |
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| 00:13.55 | en1gma | geo-rge left? |
| 00:13.56 | sam_ | see it _claims to have added the .22 kernel to .menu.list http://pastebin.ca/692899 - yet no entry appears in menu.list |
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| 00:15.05 | en1gma | i give up |
| 00:15.10 | en1gma | bbl |
| 00:15.14 | sam_ | ok gonna check one last time then report it.. |
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| 00:16.01 | broken | themill: hmm got the ati express 200M card here, and an atheros wifi built in. |
| 00:16.11 | broken | Avoided broadcom at all costs, from ... previous experience. |
| 00:17.16 | themill | broken: I've no experience with either of them. Perhaps try a livecd in it and put lspci -n into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 00:17.24 | themill | broken: and definitely read some installation reports. |
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| 00:17.53 | xored | hello. My /var/mail folder is quite full, beside i normaly use Maildir, Especially www-data takes a gigabyte mail???...how to explore the mails, can i delete them there? |
| 00:18.08 | anabain | please, take a look at http://pastebin.ca/692905, this is my disks configuration |
| 00:18.11 | broken | themill: can't find my model on linux-laptop. |
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| 00:21.05 | geo-rge | I got all these files in my /root called (well one is) 0000_00a4.seem |
| 00:21.12 | geo-rge | anyone know what that is? |
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| 00:21.49 | phogg | geo-rge: what does file say |
| 00:22.01 | geo-rge | it's some kind of binary data |
| 00:22.07 | drwahl | is there any way to downgrade from one release to another? for example, if i am running Lenny, can I get back to running Etch? |
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| 00:22.17 | simonrvn | Linux acahkos 2.6.22-1 #2 Tue Sep 11 19:51:14 EDT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:22.29 | phogg | !tell drwahl about downgrade |
| 00:22.43 | simonrvn | debian patched one, with my conf ;) |
| 00:22.54 | geo-rge | they're from april 7 |
| 00:22.54 | unilynx | drwahl: no |
| 00:23.03 | unilynx | reinstall |
| 00:23.12 | drwahl | interesting... ok thanks |
| 00:23.21 | simonrvn | geo-rge: what's file say about 'em? |
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| 00:23.35 | themill | drwahl: the easiest way is to get all the bugs in lenny fixed so that it releases and then you'll be running "stable" again... ;) |
| 00:23.36 | geo-rge | dada |
| 00:23.38 | geo-rge | err |
| 00:23.39 | geo-rge | data |
| 00:23.40 | simonrvn | geo-rge: run strings on it |
| 00:23.50 | simonrvn | pipe through less |
| 00:23.56 | geo-rge | no output |
| 00:24.15 | simonrvn | how about od -c or cat -v or less -r ? |
| 00:24.33 | drwahl | themill: sounds like a bit of a big task :) i will start with just testing and posting any bugs |
| 00:24.44 | themill | :) |
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| 00:27.30 | broken | themill: alright i'll try it out, im going to attempt to install it. Could i just get a proper link last time I dled debian there were like 25 cds. |
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| 00:27.34 | broken | Not quite sure why lol |
| 00:28.05 | simonrvn | er, why did you d/l all of them? |
| 00:28.07 | themill | broken: the netinstall is enough. then pull the packages you really want. |
| 00:28.23 | broken | Issue is im not hardwired I'm through wireless. |
| 00:28.39 | broken | If I can get wireless working before that then its great. |
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| 00:28.59 | simmerz | anyone know of a livecd with debootstrap and evms on it? |
| 00:29.27 | geo-rge | simonrvn: they're not all the same size... some are 3968 bytes, some are 928, some are 294, some are 168 |
| 00:29.41 | simonrvn | geo-rge: odd |
| 00:30.22 | geo-rge | and it seems like they were generated at the same time, there are a coupla hundred |
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| 00:31.21 | simonrvn | check the date, and compare your bash history (or whatever shell you run) |
| 00:31.42 | broken | themill: it is not an issue to me, I'd just like to get all of it installed right away off a cd, so I'm guessing the 700mb cd will do. Just a question, a Intel T2080 32bit processor I believe, thats under i386 correct? |
| 00:31.42 | simonrvn | .seem... google that maybe |
| 00:31.54 | geo-rge | I'm pretty sure I don't have history that goes back that far :) |
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| 00:35.13 | anabain | I'm having trouble in updating from kernel 2.6.16(custom) to 2.6.22(precompiled). It seems as if the filesystems weren'r recognized at boot. I have a SATA disk. I've tried to change /dev/sda5 into /dev/hda5 in grub's menu.lst, but this doesn't do the trick. Any ideas? More info at: http://pastebin.ca/692905 |
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| 00:38.20 | broken | [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch] out of all these... |
| 00:38.33 | broken | I'm not quite sure which one to get as I have a Core Duo T2080 |
| 00:39.51 | SeveredCross | i386 |
| 00:40.07 | broken | awesome. |
| 00:40.11 | SeveredCross | ia64 may work, I think that's Intel's 64-bit, but I'd stick to i386 to be sure you're okay. |
| 00:40.24 | broken | Nah I read up on these chips, they aren't 64bit. |
| 00:40.28 | amphi | isn't ia64 for itanic? |
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| 00:40.35 | SeveredCross | Oh, Core Duo, sorry, I read Core 2 for some reason. |
| 00:40.36 | broken | The only reason I ask is because I"ve been a AMD guy forever... |
| 00:40.40 | SeveredCross | And yeah ia64 is Itanium, I just remembered. |
| 00:41.17 | broken | SeveredCross: awesome, and im guessing these 25 cds i see here.. the first one will do just fine? |
| 00:41.24 | SeveredCross | LOL. |
| 00:41.30 | phooka | broken: use netinstall son |
| 00:41.31 | SeveredCross | All the different CD's you see are for different archs. |
| 00:41.31 | broken | I attempted to install debina before with this cd ..on my amd.. and it crapped out. |
| 00:41.43 | SeveredCross | Where are you looking? |
| 00:41.44 | phooka | netinstall > * |
| 00:41.48 | broken | jesus.. i don't want netinstall. |
| 00:41.55 | SeveredCross | phooka: I think he's confused about the different architecture CD's that the link shows. |
| 00:41.55 | NicNac | netinstall kicks ass |
| 00:41.59 | broken | I just want somethign that will install in a few hours lol.. i don't feel like doing any work. |
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| 00:42.08 | SeveredCross | Netinstall is awesome if you can get net up off of it, heh. |
| 00:42.09 | phooka | SeveredCross: he should just get the netinstall |
| 00:42.09 | broken | SeveredCross: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 00:42.33 | broken | I've installed gentoo minimal cd 100 times or so.. so Im familiar with kernel building all that good stuff but yea |
| 00:42.34 | phooka | SeveredCross: i had no problems with a nvidia neth0 |
| 00:42.37 | broken | I"m not in the mood :) |
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| 00:42.40 | SeveredCross | What about wireless/ |
| 00:42.49 | SeveredCross | Ever got wireless to work on netinstall? |
| 00:42.57 | phooka | wireless is trash |
| 00:43.02 | broken | not to mention i have wireless. |
| 00:43.06 | broken | Wtf it sa laptop. lol |
| 00:43.13 | SeveredCross | Holy crap bottoms, it IS 25 CD's. |
| 00:43.16 | phooka | your laptop has a line to |
| 00:43.18 | SeveredCross | What the HELL are there 25 CD's for? |
| 00:43.24 | broken | i do not know SeveredCross |
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| 00:43.26 | phooka | SeveredCross: diff packages |
| 00:43.36 | broken | You don't expect me to download them all? |
| 00:43.39 | SeveredCross | Not all of us can plug that line into something...I can't use wired at home, the router is in my parents room, they do need to sleep. |
| 00:43.46 | phooka | broken: just use netinstall and hook ur laptop up to ur modem |
| 00:43.52 | broken | FUCK |
| 00:44.05 | broken | my bad |
| 00:44.17 | broken | Im in the same issue as SeveredCross |
| 00:44.23 | broken | i can't just go in there and grab the net lol |
| 00:44.27 | SeveredCross | Didn't Debian at one point have 1 CD? |
| 00:44.44 | SeveredCross | Or 1 DVD and a few CD's. |
| 00:44.47 | SeveredCross | Christ. |
| 00:44.49 | broken | this is not good, i might have to rever to ubuntu. |
| 00:45.00 | phooka | i believe the first 3 cds will install kde or gnome |
| 00:45.15 | NicNac | I installed it from dvd and it only used the first one |
| 00:45.19 | phooka | don't use ubuntu |
| 00:45.22 | phooka | please, god. |
| 00:45.25 | broken | i will never touch ubuntu |
| 00:45.34 | broken | im ashamed to even be on this channel for one lol |
| 00:45.35 | phooka | only azns and newbs use ubuntu |
| 00:45.42 | anabain | Having trouble in updating from kernel 2.6.16(custom) to 2.6.22(precompiled). It seems as if the filesystems weren'r recognized at boot. I have a SATA disk. I've tried to change /dev/sda5 into /dev/hda5 in grub's menu.lst, but this doesn't do the trick. Any ideas? More info at: http://pastebin.ca/692905 |
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| 00:45.58 | broken | Gentoo, Arch, and FreeBSD werelikely candidates.. |
| 00:46.09 | azeem | broken: please keep it on topic |
| 00:46.11 | broken | but like i said im not in the mood to install it all by hand. |
| 00:46.21 | phooka | freebsd is the best os i've used but it's got poor desktop suport |
| 00:46.27 | phooka | hence me using debian now |
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| 00:46.43 | jetscreamer | anabain: sounds like udev got installed to me: try using UUID= in fstab and menu.lst |
| 00:46.45 | themill | broken: netinstall doesn't install by hand any more than the cds. In fact, less so as you don't need to change cds. |
| 00:47.11 | broken | ah fine, let me check out a guide. |
| 00:47.14 | phooka | broken: use installgui from net install |
| 00:47.14 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com |
| 00:47.16 | themill | broken: all the installers are the same, just different ways of pulling packages (net vs cd vs dvd) |
| 00:47.29 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com <--installer |
| 00:47.38 | broken | And the cd was... 95% done dling from torrents :( |
| 00:47.42 | phooka | broken: it took me like 30mins to install debian with a 1.3ghz, and a cable line. |
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| 00:47.57 | broken | phooka: a DE as well? |
| 00:48.07 | phooka | DE? |
| 00:48.08 | themill | broken: you could just use the first CD if you want. |
| 00:48.24 | broken | Desktop Enviorment @ phooka |
| 00:48.24 | jetscreamer | no desktop environments take longer |
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| 00:48.42 | jetscreamer | depending on what you get |
| 00:48.43 | phooka | 1st cd will work work u'll just need to download extra stuff, and broken: yes it installed gnome |
| 00:48.55 | jetscreamer | it has some gnome and kde stuff on it |
| 00:48.56 | phooka | took about 30-45mins... |
| 00:49.13 | broken | thats fine for me as long as I have the base system up, I can pull in other stuff later. Just want to get rid of vista lol :") |
| 00:49.13 | phooka | broken: but you're on wireless so multipley that by 2 :P |
| 00:49.19 | jetscreamer | what's the factoid for the jigdo thing to get the list of what's on the cd? |
| 00:49.40 | Capn_Fish | After installing a custom kernel on my Etch box (SATA hard disk), it fails to boot saying "waiting for root filesystem" or some such message. What's wrong? |
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| 00:50.01 | jetscreamer | you probably 'forgot' --initrd Capn_Fish |
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| 00:50.14 | Capn_Fish | No, it made an initrd |
| 00:50.30 | Capn_Fish | It has the same stuff in menu.lst as the old kernel as well |
| 00:50.34 | drwahl | i am trying to build an ltsp client but i am getting a chroot error: |
| 00:50.34 | drwahl | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 00:50.34 | drwahl | error: LTSP client installation ended abnormall |
| 00:50.57 | phogg | drwahl: did you forget a semicolon? |
| 00:51.08 | jetscreamer | try using UUID= in fstab and menu.lst then |
| 00:51.19 | phogg | drwahl: as in.... chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 ; mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 00:51.26 | drwahl | phogg: i just ran the "ltsp-build-client" and it runs through, and then gets that error |
| 00:51.29 | jetscreamer | instead of root=/dev/hda1 root=UUID= |
| 00:51.40 | phogg | drwahl: ah, then nevermind |
| 00:51.41 | broken | Alright thanks guys, just erasing this cd-rw and i'll attempt to install debian again. I'll see how it goes and report back. l) |
| 00:51.43 | broken | ;)* |
| 00:52.04 | broken | aww crap, now i feel like i should use the netinst :( |
| 00:52.13 | jetscreamer | goodbye-windows.com <--installer |
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| 00:53.12 | xored | how can i let apt install only security fixes ? |
| 00:53.25 | jetscreamer | only apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:53.54 | Capn_Fish | Anybody? |
| 00:53.57 | jetscreamer | don't apt-get install |
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| 00:54.20 | Gnu_Raiz | use aptitude |
| 00:54.21 | jetscreamer | well if it's a custom kernel you messed it up... |
| 00:54.44 | jetscreamer | the uuid thing works wonders though if you didn't |
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| 00:55.15 | Capn_Fish | It's basically the same config I used on my other box, which worked fine. |
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| 00:55.24 | Capn_Fish | uuid thing? |
| 00:55.26 | Mika-chan | Does Debian log things differently than other distros? My dmesg has almost no hardware information at all. I am used to much more detail. |
| 00:55.33 | jetscreamer | instead of root=/dev/hda1 root=UUID= |
| 00:55.36 | jetscreamer | try using UUID= in fstab and menu.lst then |
| 00:55.43 | phooka | Hey can someone help me with getting my ipv6 setup with debian 4.0r1 ipv6 and inet6 works fine but i cant ADD an ip |
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| 00:55.54 | jetscreamer | they're in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 00:56.03 | jetscreamer | ls -lA the symlinks |
| 00:56.14 | Capn_Fish | OK. Thanks. |
| 00:56.46 | drwahl | phogg: so are there any options to get the ltsp-build-client to work correctly? |
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| 00:57.48 | bedboi | hi there |
| 00:57.52 | jetscreamer | speaking of: how the hell do you find out the uuid of a partition w/o looking at /dev/disk... sometimes it's not there |
| 00:58.08 | bedboi | is there any simple way to rebuild a package to have debugging symbols? |
| 00:58.46 | bedboi | (-dbg packages) |
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| 00:58.53 | qmr_ | jetscreamer: blkid ? |
| 00:59.07 | qmr_ | jetscreamer: vol_id -u /dev/foo |
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| 00:59.17 | bedboi | ah, it seems that it is quite easy |
| 00:59.17 | gargantua | hi |
| 00:59.25 | jetscreamer | ooo thanks qmr |
| 00:59.28 | gargantua | what can I use to burn an .uif onto a dvd? |
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| 00:59.52 | jetscreamer | damn now i know the swap has a uuid... or can |
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| 01:00.31 | qmr_ | jetscreamer: start at the top? what are you trying to do? |
| 01:01.05 | jetscreamer | just what you told me... but also the uuid of the swap partition if it's there atm |
| 01:01.14 | qmr_ | jetscreamer: ok but I mean why are you wanting this? |
| 01:01.30 | jetscreamer | oh for editing fstab and menu.lst |
| 01:01.38 | jetscreamer | to use UUID= |
| 01:01.46 | jetscreamer | i already have them |
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| 01:02.06 | jetscreamer | i had just been wondering how to do it w/o looking at /dev/disk/by-uuid |
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| 01:02.51 | jetscreamer | aka i knew how to do it the long way, i wanted to know how to do it the right way |
| 01:03.06 | Drk_Guy | Guys |
| 01:03.11 | Drk_Guy | How can i kill X? |
| 01:03.19 | qmr_ | Drk_Guy: ctrl alt bksp |
| 01:03.20 | jetscreamer | ctrl alt bckspace |
| 01:03.22 | qmr_ | Drk_Guy: killall X ? |
| 01:03.23 | zOrK | something´s wrong. I tried to install debian but I got stuck on the setting partition stuff, I revceived an error which says something like this: blab/blabla/blabla has a logical aprtition of size 2048, how cud I fix it? |
| 01:03.29 | qmr_ | Drk_Guy: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 01:03.32 | Drk_Guy | Not restart |
| 01:03.32 | jetscreamer | see also /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 01:03.36 | Drk_Guy | Kill |
| 01:03.42 | jetscreamer | gdm stop |
| 01:03.53 | qmr_ | Drk_Guy: /etc/init.d/gdm stop .. |
| 01:04.00 | Drk_Guy | Thx guys |
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| 01:05.44 | zOrK | something´s wrong. I tried to install debian but I got stuck on the setting partition stuff, I revceived an error which says something like this: blab/blabla/blabla has a logical aprtition of size 2048, how cud I fix it? |
| 01:05.55 | jetscreamer | ah ok vol_id isn't in my path... and my swap doesn't have a uuid atm |
| 01:06.01 | qmr_ | zOrK: don't repeat |
| 01:06.14 | qmr_ | zOrK: can you try partitioning manually with cfdisk? |
| 01:06.45 | jetscreamer | zOrK: yeah i detest logical/extendeds... try primaries for ease |
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| 01:08.18 | AmR|EiSa | hi |
| 01:08.45 | jetscreamer | !greet AmR|EiSa |
| 01:08.45 | dpkg | Wassup, AmR|EiSa |
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| 01:09.16 | gargantua | !greet me |
| 01:09.16 | dpkg | Howdy, gargantua |
| 01:09.23 | gargantua | !fuck me |
| 01:09.25 | gargantua | :( |
| 01:09.47 | jetscreamer | that factoid was removed |
| 01:09.56 | jetscreamer | it was a very good one i thought |
| 01:10.24 | jetscreamer | ~fuck gargantua |
| 01:10.29 | jetscreamer | darn |
| 01:10.42 | gargantua | :( |
| 01:10.51 | AmR|EiSa | i want ask how i can install arabic lanuagen in my system ? |
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| 01:11.07 | zOrK | qmr_: can I do it through PM8? |
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| 01:11.34 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure locales && dpkg-reconfigure console-data and install some fonts for xorg ... apt-cache search arabic |
| 01:11.42 | jetscreamer | and/or farsi |
| 01:11.44 | gargantua | has ANYBODY here burned a .uif before? |
| 01:11.51 | jetscreamer | i think quif |
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| 01:12.21 | jetscreamer | run file on it gargantua |
| 01:12.24 | SeveredCross | gargantua: UltraISO, Windows app. |
| 01:12.30 | jetscreamer | file blah.uif |
| 01:12.31 | SeveredCross | It does run in Wine IIRC. |
| 01:12.34 | qmr_ | quif? haha |
| 01:12.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 01:13.22 | bedboi | LOL OOXML has been rejected |
| 01:13.37 | SeveredCross | You're like 3 days late on the announcement. |
| 01:13.45 | bedboi | yep man, working too hard |
| 01:13.47 | qmr_ | bedboi: ...?? |
| 01:13.50 | bedboi | i'm out of the world |
| 01:14.00 | bedboi | Pavarotti died too |
| 01:14.02 | bedboi | :) |
| 01:14.12 | jetscreamer | there's a war |
| 01:14.15 | bedboi | well nothing to be happy |
| 01:14.17 | bedboi | what war? |
| 01:14.21 | bedboi | any fresh new? |
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| 01:14.34 | qmr_ | bedboi: what is OOXML? open office? Or msft's format ? |
| 01:14.37 | gargantua | SerajewelKS: what do you mean; "Windows app"? |
| 01:14.40 | gargantua | this |
| 01:14.41 | gargantua | IS |
| 01:14.45 | xored | anybody experiences to setup secpack for debian etch stable? |
| 01:14.45 | gargantua | LINUX! |
| 01:14.52 | bedboi | qmr_: microsoft one |
| 01:14.52 | jetscreamer | ultraiso is a windows app he said |
| 01:14.58 | gargantua | oh wait, taht was directed at servedcross |
| 01:15.04 | jetscreamer | and that's what made your .quif file |
| 01:15.07 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:15.31 | xored | why crapy OOXML is rejected ? |
| 01:15.53 | xored | do you mean MS start to take a "current open format"..that must be a dream or joke |
| 01:15.56 | bedboi | xored: are you sad about that? |
| 01:16.01 | qmr_ | rejected by who? |
| 01:16.04 | xored | bedboi: glad all the way. |
| 01:16.06 | bedboi | ah, ok |
| 01:16.13 | jetscreamer | w3c? |
| 01:16.25 | SeveredCross | No, ISO./ |
| 01:16.28 | xored | bedboi: alone the implementation of tables is nothing to even talk about |
| 01:17.00 | anabain | jetscreamer, when you say root=UUID= do you mean adding, after the last =, the number in /dev/disk/by-uuid that is linked to the boot dev? |
| 01:17.06 | xored | half of the tables format things are lossy with OOXML, this is just a bad joke ( or was ) |
| 01:17.14 | jetscreamer | yes anabain |
| 01:17.17 | bedboi | talking about news, in my country ENEL (guys that supply energy to the whole nation) announced that in this winter we can expect blackouts |
| 01:17.41 | bedboi | Italy is really going 3rd world. |
| 01:17.42 | jetscreamer | anabain: aka what's returned by blkid |
| 01:17.51 | anabain | jetscreamer, that very long number? wow! |
| 01:18.07 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 01:18.15 | anabain | and /etc/fstab needs to be changed too? For all partitions, or only boot? |
| 01:18.44 | jetscreamer | it works for all, i have gotten away with just / ... not had a seperate /boot |
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| 01:19.35 | jetscreamer | probably good idea /boot also though |
| 01:20.00 | anabain | but if I have more than one, all of them must be modified, I suppose... well I have / and /home |
| 01:20.10 | AmR|EiSa | can i reinstall some options with resgui ?? |
| 01:20.23 | AmR|EiSa | but not all system |
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| 01:21.03 | jetscreamer | i find my other fs's/partitions don't 'have' to have the uuid... not sure about /home, i can't remember if it's uuid'd or not |
| 01:21.09 | jetscreamer | that one isn't running atm |
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| 01:21.20 | jetscreamer | the / is though |
| 01:21.39 | gpm | they don't need uuid, i think when .22 first came out you needed to use it |
| 01:21.47 | gpm | but now it's ok somehow |
| 01:21.59 | geo-rge | what is this for? |
| 01:22.00 | gpm | or maybe that's just a nicety the kernel dd's fixed |
| 01:22.19 | jetscreamer | y;eh i know what you mean kinda... things changed up a bit |
| 01:22.22 | gpm | it's one of many different ways to label a disk/partition |
| 01:22.41 | bedboi | bye. |
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| 01:22.44 | geo-rge | why use a number like this? |
| 01:22.46 | gpm | kinda an ugly one imho |
| 01:23.09 | gpm | because it's there. there was a time when devices weren't consistent, so we had to use something else to identify the drive/partition in fstab |
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| 01:23.19 | jetscreamer | helps when udev is borking up the partition assignments or something |
| 01:23.21 | AmR|EiSa | if i use resgui it will reinstall thesystem or reinstall some of the soft in my system ?? |
| 01:23.30 | gpm | ah udev |
| 01:23.30 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 01:23.33 | anabain | gpm, do you mean that in kernel newer than .22 you don't have to change anything? I'll wait, then |
| 01:23.53 | gpm | i dunno, all i know is i'm on sid and /dev names work for me |
| 01:23.55 | jetscreamer | rip out udev and it will work fine :) |
| 01:24.04 | gpm | on .22 |
| 01:24.10 | gpm | haha |
| 01:24.20 | gpm | yes, apt-get remove udev |
| 01:24.29 | anabain | gpm, I've moved from 2.6.16 custom to .22 precompiled and I'm having trouble |
| 01:24.31 | jetscreamer | if you ever do, apt-get install yaird first |
| 01:24.37 | Supaplex | uuid's were handy when I had a few external usb<->ata bridged harddisks. itkept my mount points sane no matter how they were plugged in |
| 01:24.42 | qmr_ | !yaird |
| 01:24.49 | gpm | yaird > initram-fs-tools |
| 01:24.51 | AmR|EiSa | any help about res*gui ??? |
| 01:24.54 | qmr_ | !info yaird |
| 01:24.58 | dpkg | yaird: (Yet Another mkInitRD), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.0.12-22 (sid), Packaged size: 182 kB, Installed size: 656 kB |
| 01:25.00 | jetscreamer | yaird doesn't depend on udev |
| 01:25.07 | jetscreamer | the default does |
| 01:25.08 | qmr_ | initrd is dumb |
| 01:25.20 | gpm | qmr_: i'm with you in theory |
| 01:25.28 | jetscreamer | what is res*gui |
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| 01:25.36 | anabain | then can I remove udev? |
| 01:25.43 | AmR|EiSa | rescuegui |
| 01:25.48 | gpm | haha, of course you can, but you might need it for other things |
| 01:25.54 | anabain | (and install yaird)? |
| 01:25.55 | jetscreamer | you could, but everyghing depends on udev |
| 01:26.04 | jetscreamer | it seems |
| 01:26.04 | toor | anybody speaks german and english and can help me with some tenses? |
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| 01:26.13 | qmr_ | toor: #debian-de ? |
| 01:26.22 | toor | qmr_: no help there |
| 01:26.24 | jetscreamer | it's easier to just do the uuid thing for root |
| 01:26.29 | toor | thats why iam asking here |
| 01:26.35 | qmr_ | toor: #ubuntu-de ? |
| 01:26.36 | jetscreamer | but i don't know your box |
| 01:26.39 | gpm | qmr_: #debian.de ? |
| 01:26.41 | jetscreamer | i just know what works for me |
| 01:26.42 | toor | qmr_: lol, stfu :P |
| 01:26.46 | Supaplex | toor: #suse-de ? (if there's such a thing) |
| 01:26.49 | toor | gpm: banned :P |
| 01:26.56 | toor | at debian.de |
| 01:26.57 | gpm | you were banned? |
| 01:27.00 | gpm | brutal |
| 01:27.00 | toor | ya |
| 01:27.04 | toor | right |
| 01:27.07 | geo-rge | for? |
| 01:27.08 | anabain | jetscreamer, yes, but if it fails I will have to use a live-cd and the like... argh! |
| 01:27.08 | qmr_ | diff IP ? |
| 01:27.11 | gpm | they didn't like your backwards-ness |
| 01:27.13 | gpm | i guess |
| 01:27.26 | toor | geo-rge: dont remember, since a long time, i think 4-5 years now |
| 01:27.27 | AmR|EiSa | :( |
| 01:27.33 | gpm | or maybe they thought you were logged in as root with a dyslexic system |
| 01:27.34 | jetscreamer | anabain: i love my grub-floppy... it's my default boot device |
| 01:27.40 | Supaplex | geo-rge: toor accidently used emacs. ;) |
| 01:27.41 | anabain | ehhehe |
| 01:27.42 | gpm | cool |
| 01:27.44 | qmr_ | floppy.. |
| 01:27.46 | qmr_ | barf. |
| 01:27.46 | toor | lol |
| 01:27.58 | geo-rge | then I'm safe... I use it on purpose |
| 01:28.04 | toor | Supaplex: geek =) |
| 01:28.05 | jetscreamer | hey you dis the powah ov da grub floppy |
| 01:28.14 | AmR|EiSa | why no help :( ! |
| 01:28.19 | jetscreamer | nothing like being able to access grubshell when needed |
| 01:28.20 | gpm | wow, i feel so normal using normal grub to boot off a normal partition |
| 01:28.21 | Supaplex | toor: finally someone notices! ;) |
| 01:28.25 | qmr_ | floppy = newblike |
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| 01:29.08 | jetscreamer | heh.... you wouldn't believe the weird bootness i have sometimes... i've even made grub boot grub boot grub boot grub.... |
| 01:29.24 | dvs | jetscreamer: you're weird! ;-) |
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| 01:30.40 | simmerz | i need to debootstrap my server. I had gentoo installed, but I want to install debian on the already set up evms filesystem. I can't find a livecd with evms and debootstrap on it. is there one available? |
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| 01:30.55 | xored | does someone can help me with secpack ? i cant find any configuration file..i allready updated /etc/apt/security.sources.list from woody to stable..bt where is the place i can set the email to send, when a sec update failed ? |
| 01:31.23 | Supaplex | simmerz: evms? did you review the install guide? |
| 01:32.05 | qmr_ | Can I install debian on top of CentOS on a VPS ? |
| 01:32.44 | simmerz | Supaplex: installing using the evms enabled installer that isn't available yet? |
| 01:32.48 | Supaplex | qmr_: depends. I've installed debian in similar situations before. |
| 01:32.54 | Supaplex | !evms |
| 01:32.54 | dpkg | i heard evms is Enterprise Volume Management System, http://evms.sf.net/ |
| 01:32.58 | qmr_ | Supaplex: It's virtuozzo |
| 01:33.02 | simmerz | http://wiki.debian.org/EVMS says The "Right Way" to install an EVMS Debian system is using the new evms-enabled DebianInstaller, but is not available yet. |
| 01:33.40 | Supaplex | simmerz: irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-boot is on the cutting edge of d-i issues |
| 01:33.58 | simmerz | Supaplex: evms.sf.net assumes an already installed system |
| 01:34.21 | simmerz | Supaplex: #debian-boot not on freenode? or is irc.debian.org a freenode server? |
| 01:34.36 | jetscreamer | no |
| 01:34.41 | simmerz | ok |
| 01:34.47 | jetscreamer | it moved to oftc ... aka debian.org |
| 01:35.00 | P_Kable | how can I turn on autocompletion for root ? |
| 01:35.01 | jetscreamer | aka irc.debian.org rather |
| 01:35.07 | jetscreamer | .profile |
| 01:35.21 | jetscreamer | but it should be on? |
| 01:36.17 | gpm | haha |
| 01:36.21 | gpm | no fast typing as root! |
| 01:36.25 | gpm | or as toor! |
| 01:36.34 | P_Kable | lol |
| 01:36.35 | Supaplex | it's a "feature". ;) |
| 01:36.42 | gpm | (tm) |
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| 01:36.50 | P_Kable | no way to change it though ? |
| 01:36.57 | gpm | look up |
| 01:36.58 | jetscreamer | .profile |
| 01:37.00 | Supaplex | man bash look for tab completion |
| 01:37.07 | P_Kable | oh I see thx |
| 01:37.09 | gpm | .bashrc too? |
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| 01:37.23 | jetscreamer | yeh maybe... i forget i turned it on so long ago |
| 01:37.30 | jetscreamer | or was that history |
| 01:37.34 | jetscreamer | ah the dupes |
| 01:37.34 | gpm | it's always on by default for me i think |
| 01:37.41 | jetscreamer | me too afaict |
| 01:37.45 | gpm | one of those dotfiles |
| 01:37.45 | Supaplex | ditto |
| 01:38.10 | gpm | so many things google can solve for you, it's quite amazing. |
| 01:38.41 | Supaplex | dpkg -i google-global-datastores |
| 01:38.41 | dpkg | package google-global-datastores is already installed |
| 01:38.48 | Supaplex | sweet. |
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| 01:39.01 | qmr_ | Supaplex: what is that? |
| 01:39.02 | jetscreamer | there used to be a .bash_profile , but it seems to have gone away? |
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| 01:39.17 | Supaplex | a joke :) |
| 01:39.20 | gpm | haha |
| 01:39.28 | gpm | i just looked it up on pdo :) |
| 01:39.39 | Supaplex | :P |
| 01:39.47 | jetscreamer | # enable programmable completion features (you don't need to enable this, if it's already enabled in /etc/bash.bashrc and /etc/profile |
| 01:39.54 | osmosis | whats the speed different between running and i386 distro, vs running an amd64 copy of a distro ? |
| 01:39.54 | jetscreamer | .bashrc |
| 01:40.05 | P_Kable | "Starting Appletalk services (this may take a while)" dude it does ! I do not have any mac here ... |
| 01:40.08 | gpm | 32 bits |
| 01:40.10 | gpm | exactly |
| 01:40.35 | Supaplex | !2^64-2^32 |
| 01:40.35 | dpkg | 28 |
| 01:40.52 | Supaplex | !(2**64)-(2**32) |
| 01:40.53 | dpkg | 18446744069414584320 |
| 01:40.57 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 01:41.58 | gpm | psh |
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| 01:47.04 | diafic | Where did mysql-admin go? |
| 01:47.12 | jetscreamer | it died afaict |
| 01:47.22 | jetscreamer | everybody asks |
| 01:47.25 | diafic | o.o |
| 01:47.27 | diafic | WTF |
| 01:47.29 | diafic | its in etch |
| 01:47.32 | diafic | but not lenny |
| 01:47.42 | Supaplex | we hired postgres in its place. much better canidate. |
| 01:47.43 | jetscreamer | that happens with a lot of things |
| 01:47.50 | jetscreamer | in sid and etch, but not lenny |
| 01:47.52 | dvs | Supaplex: heh |
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| 01:52.48 | diafic | Right, the etch version installs cleanly and works |
| 01:53.01 | diafic | why is it missing from lenny but is available in etch and sid? |
| 01:53.32 | aFlag | what's the command that will install all the packages necessary for building a package? |
| 01:53.36 | jetscreamer | because it's not worthy (in a nutshell) |
| 01:55.18 | Supaplex | !builddep |
| 01:55.23 | aFlag | thanks |
| 01:56.01 | Supaplex | humm I forget |
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| 01:57.58 | xored | stunnel -d ssmtp -r smtp -p /etc/ssl/certs/ValiCert_Class_1_VA.pem <- what is wrong with thtat setting up stunnel so that i can use ssmpt ? |
| 01:58.49 | aFlag | apt-get build-dep |
| 01:59.53 | dasunt | xored: In Lenny, I've noticed that stunnel and stunnel4 are kinda comingled. |
| 02:01.02 | xored | dasunt: cant get your point |
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| 02:01.49 | dasunt | xored: stunnel4 desn't use the same args as stunnel3 |
| 02:02.24 | xored | dasunt: ok, but mine seems to be ok, or ? |
| 02:02.45 | xored | beside i have stunnel 3.26 |
| 02:02.54 | dasunt | xored: Looks good for stunnel3. |
| 02:03.31 | xored | in server mode: /etc/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem |
| 02:03.33 | dasunt | Hmmm, exim in debian doesn't have ssl support? |
| 02:03.43 | xored | i have no "stunnel.pem" in there |
| 02:03.53 | xored | i dont use exim |
| 02:03.59 | dasunt | Oh, ne'ermind then. |
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| 02:12.29 | jetscreamer | why |
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| 02:12.37 | jetscreamer | that is foolish... |
| 02:12.44 | f00li5h | jetscreamer: you remember me <3 |
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| 02:12.49 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:12.54 | jetscreamer | sorry :/ |
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| 02:13.30 | f00li5h | is there a way i can have my script (which is being run by cron) change the subject of the email that cron sends |
| 02:13.44 | f00li5h | to the user that ran the job? |
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| 02:14.15 | abrotman | it's a script |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | oh .. hrm |
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| 02:15.16 | abrotman | f00li5h: you could send an email explicitly |
| 02:15.18 | f00li5h | i know there's a CRON_SUBJECT or something |
| 02:15.25 | f00li5h | but i don't think i can set that within the script |
| 02:16.02 | f00li5h | abrotman: that's plan b, but i was hoping to get away with not (since this box isn't configured to deliver mail, even locally) |
| 02:16.23 | abrotman | smarthost ? |
| 02:16.58 | f00li5h | the messages from crontag seem to just be dumped in the directory mail(1) checks for messagse |
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| 02:17.31 | f00li5h | hrm, the messages do list my .local name ... so perhaps i can mail to that |
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| 02:18.30 | Trentster | Whats the command again from the console to view bios information? |
| 02:18.56 | abrotman | Ronin: you fatass! |
| 02:19.06 | Ronin | ha, not even hardly |
| 02:19.12 | abrotman | Trentster: uhm .. what kind of info ? |
| 02:19.17 | Ronin | although you'd think with the beer i have in the house.. |
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| 02:20.11 | Trentster | abrotman, motherboard serial number and make and model etc |
| 02:20.37 | f00li5h | abrotman: but then i'll have to ask the system where i am, and who i am |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 02:20.50 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 02:21.15 | xored | iam getting this when trying to run stunnel : Could not load DH parameters from /etc/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem |
| 02:21.24 | dasunt | DH? |
| 02:21.24 | Supaplex | but the lid is already off. oops? |
| 02:21.34 | abrotman | Supaplex: cheater! |
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| 02:21.42 | xored | dasunt: i have no clue, i hope abrotman can help |
| 02:21.51 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | xored: does the file exist ? |
| 02:22.07 | tnks | I'm eager to use a tag E-mails under some custom header, so I can index my Maildir directories against it. Does anyone do this kind of thing (have some pointers)? |
| 02:22.13 | xored | abrotman: i searched a while in the net for setting up stunnel to tunnel ssmtp to smtp but could not find anything proper. Yes it exists |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | xored: and the perms ? |
| 02:22.26 | xored | created with : openssl req -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out stunnel.pem -keyout stunnel.pem |
| 02:22.40 | xored | abrotman: chmod u=r,g=,o= stunnel.pem |
| 02:23.06 | abrotman | xored: try making it 444 ... the stunnel might be running as another user ? |
| 02:23.07 | xored | !paste |
| 02:23.08 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 02:23.30 | Bogus8 | anyone know if a cisco 800 has a master password? |
| 02:23.40 | abrotman | maybe ask #networking |
| 02:23.46 | xored | abrotman: thats the whole log : http://paste.debian.net/36875 |
| 02:23.53 | Bogus8 | I have a client that has one and obviously I didn't install it and they have no clue (they barely knew where it was) |
| 02:24.19 | xored | abrotman: tryint 444 result in : Wrong permissions on /etc/ssl/certs/stunnel.pem |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | xored: looks like DH stuff is important .. but i don't know enough about SSL to tell you what is missing |
| 02:24.47 | Trentster | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | there is a pretty empty #openssl |
| 02:25.13 | xored | abrotman: thank you anyway |
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| 02:25.30 | abrotman | xored: i'd imagine google knows more |
| 02:26.04 | Throat | eve |
| 02:26.07 | xored | abrotman: trying hard, did not find anything yet |
| 02:26.16 | xored | abrotman: http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/tips/stunnel.html |
| 02:26.22 | xored | abrotman: but this did not help out |
| 02:27.06 | abrotman | hrm... |
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| 02:27.27 | xored | abrotman: got it |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:27.32 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:27.36 | xored | abrotman: http://www.chupame.ch/file.php?file=imapd-ssl.txt |
| 02:27.49 | xored | abrotman: openssl dhparam -rand temp_file 512 >> stunnel.pem |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | workie now ? |
| 02:28.36 | xored | jop |
| 02:28.46 | abrotman | see .. google is smart :) |
| 02:28.50 | xored | you "append" that dh thingy to a pem file, this is all you need |
| 02:29.03 | xored | hehe, abrotman yeah took a whle to find the proper answer :) thank you |
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| 02:32.42 | xored | abrotman: strange thing is, that when i try to accept the cert with tunderbird |
| 02:32.47 | xored | it just asks again and again |
| 02:33.14 | abrotman | which IMAP and/or smtp ? |
| 02:34.03 | xaque | Is squid a big process? I have a small gateway machine I would like to install it on but I don't want to bog the box down. |
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| 02:34.47 | xored | abrotman: smtp |
| 02:34.55 | abrotman | so sasl ? |
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| 02:35.19 | xored | abrotman: now it worked, i just recreated stunnel.pem |
| 02:35.28 | abrotman | okay then .. |
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| 02:36.14 | bedboi | hi there... |
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| 02:36.43 | bedboi | Anyone knows an application to resolve dependencies between shared objects ? |
| 02:36.48 | bedboi | not ldd. |
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| 02:37.22 | bedboi | ldd is quite stupid, i need something more intelligent, it should read the symbol table |
| 02:37.31 | geo-rge | bedboi: that is called a linker, it's part of binutils |
| 02:37.50 | bedboi | geo-rge: i know that man. |
| 02:38.06 | bedboi | i need something to draw a dependency graph between a lot of shared objects |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | ldd ? :) |
| 02:38.22 | bedboi | no |
| 02:38.29 | geo-rge | that's what a linker does |
| 02:38.38 | dalias | there's some package of elf tools |
| 02:38.45 | dalias | elfkicker or something (and another one) |
| 02:38.59 | dalias | also just look at 'nm' and 'objdump' |
| 02:39.03 | bedboi | yep |
| 02:39.05 | dalias | they might provide sufficient information |
| 02:39.06 | geo-rge | or, if you want to write such a tool... you can probably use nm |
| 02:39.17 | bedboi | objdump -p is good |
| 02:39.24 | bedboi | i'm planning to do so |
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| 02:39.39 | bedboi | it helps to automagically find deps within a project |
| 02:39.45 | \amethyst | bedboi: dpkg-shlibdeps uses objdump -p |
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| 02:41.29 | bedboi | \amethyst: it can't spot hidden dependencies |
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| 02:41.58 | geo-rge | define "hidden dependency" |
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| 02:42.22 | bedboi | i have a .so that i know has dependencies to other shared objects of my project |
| 02:42.44 | dalias | bedboi, i know a really easy way to find that |
| 02:42.47 | dalias | build as static libs |
| 02:42.58 | bedboi | yep you will have a bunch of errors |
| 02:43.03 | dalias | then if you miss an explicit -l for any of the dependency libs, you'll get a link error :) |
| 02:43.10 | abrotman | bedboi: so they aren't hidden .. but cascading |
| 02:43.27 | bedboi | abrotman: thanks, adding to the jargon |
| 02:43.35 | abrotman | adding? correcting! :) |
| 02:44.31 | bedboi | yep, i was just guessing when i said "hidden" |
| 02:45.11 | bedboi | btw i want to build a simple stuff that takes all the shared objects in a project and finds all the CASCADING dependencies |
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| 02:45.17 | \amethyst | so it's not that hard to do a depth-first search of the libraries, objdumping each in turn |
| 02:45.24 | bedboi | and draw a cool graph |
| 02:45.36 | bedboi | yep it's what i'm planning to do |
| 02:45.43 | bedboi | python should help a lot :) |
| 02:45.45 | \amethyst | maybe dotty for drawing the graph |
| 02:45.52 | bedboi | \amethyst: yep that's the plan |
| 02:45.53 | abrotman | bedboi: could you just use a script to grap the libs and do the ldd on those ? |
| 02:45.53 | \amethyst | any programming language, really |
| 02:46.53 | bedboi | \amethyst: obviously. |
| 02:47.19 | bedboi | abrotman: ldd does not work. |
| 02:47.28 | bedboi | abrotman: well it works for what is designed to do |
| 02:47.55 | abrotman | bedboi: why not ? |
| 02:48.00 | bedboi | abrotman: btw if for some reason you forgot to link a library to your library ldd won't spot it |
| 02:48.08 | abrotman | and it won't work ? |
| 02:48.36 | bedboi | <bedboi> abrotman: well it works for what is designed to do |
| 02:48.40 | bedboi | don't be pedantic :) |
| 02:48.55 | bedboi | it's just that i need another feature that ldd do not have. |
| 02:49.18 | abrotman | uhm ok |
| 02:49.23 | geo-rge | bedboi: pot. kettle. black. |
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| 02:50.44 | bedboi | geo-rge: am i pedantic? :) |
| 02:51.24 | bedboi | btw i asked just to be sure not to reinvent the weel |
| 02:51.26 | bedboi | wheel |
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| 02:52.09 | geo-rge | you're playing that famous game where you ask a question and someone tells you "well you could X" and you reply "Yeah, but Y" |
| 02:52.10 | abrotman | bedboi: tried asking #gcc ? |
| 02:52.56 | geo-rge | my only question is.... what's your payoff? |
| 02:52.59 | bedboi | geo-rge: no, i'm not good expressing myself in English |
| 02:53.22 | bedboi | geo-rge: there's a bunch of unexperienced people working at a project |
| 02:53.22 | abrotman | or engrish even! :) |
| 02:53.40 | geo-rge | if you weren't good I wouldn't understand you |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | geo-rge: what you say? |
| 02:54.06 | bedboi | geo-rge: the project is quite big, and i don't want to check manually the missing cascading deps |
| 02:54.27 | bedboi | it is frustrating |
| 02:54.56 | bedboi | the project relies on a LOT of shared objects and i always have to check where the heck is some symbol |
| 02:55.28 | geo-rge | so, what you're trying to do is come up with something that takes a collection of (what, libs?) and object files and make sure they link? |
| 02:55.57 | \amethyst | geo-rge: not just the list, but the graph of which libs pull in which other ones |
| 02:55.58 | bedboi | they don't have to link all together |
| 02:56.05 | bedboi | \amethyst: yep |
| 02:56.12 | bedboi | \amethyst: that's correct |
| 02:56.45 | bedboi | it should be quite simple with parsing objdump |
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| 02:57.23 | \amethyst | geo-rge: the problem with ldd is that is gives all the recursive dependencies, but doesn't distinguish between direct shlib inclusion and indirect through another library |
| 02:57.28 | bedboi | yep |
| 02:58.51 | geo-rge | so what you need is actually a more pedantic, more detailed output |
| 02:59.01 | bedboi | yep |
| 02:59.04 | bedboi | exactly |
| 02:59.16 | bedboi | maybe something after the make :) |
| 02:59.21 | bedboi | that would be great |
| 02:59.45 | geo-rge | what's the status of ibm graphviz? someone mentioned dotty |
| 03:00.00 | bedboi | after that you can implement an OpenGL stuff... (kidding) |
| 03:00.11 | bedboi | geo-rge: i use dot |
| 03:00.21 | bedboi | It's extremely simple. |
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| 03:00.43 | geo-rge | ok, but I'm more wondering about its dfsg status |
| 03:01.01 | bedboi | dfsg? |
| 03:01.28 | bedboi | ah ok |
| 03:01.31 | bedboi | asked google |
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| 03:13.34 | Throat | bedboi, you can pretty often also ask dpkg |
| 03:13.37 | Throat | !dfsg |
| 03:13.37 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 03:16.36 | bedboi | bash is so powerful. |
| 03:16.46 | bedboi | 10 lines of code and i have quite all i need |
| 03:16.58 | bedboi | now i just need to do some magic on the symbols :) |
| 03:18.45 | simonrvn | it's called a shell dear |
| 03:19.01 | abrotman | he's in love! |
| 03:19.05 | bedboi | shells are so good |
| 03:19.32 | bedboi | sometimes people tend to write very complex scripts in python which are doable in 3 lines of shell |
| 03:19.39 | simonrvn | yeh, with my wife |
| 03:19.40 | bedboi | ah pipes! |
| 03:20.43 | gravity | Those 3 lines can be horribly painful to maintain though |
| 03:21.05 | bedboi | why that |
| 03:21.23 | bedboi | gravity: it is a so simple task |
| 03:21.44 | gravity | It's also possible that you're just using python poorly |
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| 03:22.05 | bedboi | gravity: i'm not saying python is shitty, it's just that i'm not so good at it. |
| 03:22.08 | gravity | bedboi: Shell spacing and quoting is the source of so many pointless bugs |
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| 03:22.24 | bedboi | gravity: that's true |
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| 03:28.37 | timthelion | hey, how do I run modual-assistant for a kernel other than the current one? |
| 03:28.59 | dasunt | For some reason, the bacula/bacula-director-mysql script seems horribly broken under debian etch and lenny. |
| 03:29.18 | timthelion | I need to install ndiswrapper, and don't want to do that without internet. |
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| 03:30.50 | jetscreamer | module |
| 03:30.56 | jetscreamer | man m-a |
| 03:31.23 | timthelion | doesn't say |
| 03:31.30 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 03:31.37 | jetscreamer | does to, right up top in the usage |
| 03:31.42 | jetscreamer | i just looked |
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| 03:32.07 | jetscreamer | module-assistant [ -fihnqstv ] [ -k source/headers directory ] [ -l kernel versions ] |
| 03:32.13 | timthelion | there is not USAGE section |
| 03:32.57 | hark | boo hoo |
| 03:33.20 | timthelion | that doesn't tell me anything! |
| 03:33.22 | SeveredCross | -k! |
| 03:33.40 | SeveredCross | module-assistant -k /usr/src/linux-oldversion build module-name |
| 03:33.42 | timthelion | um, how do I know what directory the headers where installed in? |
| 03:33.57 | SeveredCross | Headers should be in /usr/src/linux-version-number-here |
| 03:33.58 | timthelion | SeveredCross: you mean newversion |
| 03:34.09 | SeveredCross | Whatever, doesn't really matter, whatever version you need. |
| 03:34.11 | Guerin | timthelion: by default it's /usr/src/linux-headers-foo |
| 03:34.35 | Nyle | hi |
| 03:34.51 | jetscreamer | --kernel-dir The kernel source directories to be used for builds. You can specify multiple directories with multiple options or separated by commas or line separators (e.g using -k "`echo /usr/src/ker- nel-headers-*`" ). The kernel versions detected in this direc- tories are automatically added to the list of target kernel versions (see --kvers-list for details). |
| 03:34.56 | jetscreamer | hey Nyle |
| 03:35.09 | timthelion | how is it going to know how to install the modual bassed on the headers? isn't there already a binary on my system that it needs to associate the moduals with? |
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| 03:35.37 | Nyle | I need to rename 1000 files in a folder. They have spaces in their filenames. I tried for i in *; do mv $i $i.blah; done and it moved only the files that didn't have spaces in them |
| 03:35.49 | Nyle | I admit, I do not know regex |
| 03:35.50 | timthelion | when I run m-a prepare, it does not list my new kernel |
| 03:35.59 | Nyle | can anyone please advise |
| 03:36.01 | jetscreamer | Nyle: /join #perl or #bash or both |
| 03:36.10 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:36.18 | Guerin | Nyle: "$i" |
| 03:36.19 | Throat | Nyle, there's a short perlscript called ren |
| 03:36.25 | SeveredCross | timthelion: Did you specify -k? |
| 03:36.25 | Nyle | Guerin: ahh |
| 03:36.32 | Guerin | see also `rename' |
| 03:36.37 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:36.47 | Throat | Nyle, I can dcc it to you |
| 03:36.54 | Guerin | why bother? |
| 03:36.59 | timthelion | Nyle for i in *; do mv "$i" "${i}.blah"; done |
| 03:36.59 | Guerin | it's in debian |
| 03:37.02 | Throat | oh, ok |
| 03:37.12 | Throat | I had it before it was in debian :) |
| 03:37.20 | Throat | never bothered to find out that it came in there |
| 03:37.27 | Throat | ha |
| 03:37.30 | Throat | I have it installed |
| 03:37.33 | Throat | insteresting |
| 03:37.37 | timthelion | SeveredCross: no, I did not. I don't see as how that maters, really. |
| 03:37.43 | Nyle | timthelion: yeh i just thought about it when Guerin pointed it out |
| 03:37.55 | SeveredCross | If you specify it the kernel directory in which to look... |
| 03:37.57 | Nyle | also, I should piont this out that I did it while I was |
| 03:38.03 | stoned | go figure |
| 03:38.12 | Throat | Nyle, usage should be like rename 's/$/.blah/' |
| 03:39.23 | Throat | hm, my personal version is better for my purposes, because it prints what files are actually renamed |
| 03:39.37 | Throat | well, -v probably does that |
| 03:39.41 | stoned | thanks |
| 03:39.58 | Guerin | stoned: *shock* |
| 03:39.58 | stoned | just forgot quotes |
| 03:40.07 | Guerin | stoned: i had fun writing stoned regexp last night |
| 03:40.07 | stoned | Guerin: fuck off :) |
| 03:40.16 | stoned | dude, you get stoned too |
| 03:40.17 | stoned | ? |
| 03:40.25 | stoned | damn, word man |
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| 03:40.42 | Guerin | stoned: i spent about 10 minutes writing up a real good one, then an hour later I realised it could be done in about half as many characters |
| 03:41.10 | loupgaroublond | Guerin, kiki helps you get that stoned regex even better |
| 03:41.13 | Guerin | stoned: only when I've given up on research for the night |
| 03:41.21 | Guerin | loupgaroublond: shiny. |
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| 03:41.32 | stoned | yeh, some 4th grader tried to tell me once when I was in 8th grade, that you can write a virus in C in dos which would be smaller than one written in asm |
| 03:41.35 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
| 03:41.43 | stoned | i don't know why i just remembered that |
| 03:42.12 | stoned | anyway, piont was, he was full of shit |
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| 03:42.35 | Guerin | stoned: i smoke the shit grown 100m from my back door |
| 03:42.36 | stoned | he also claimed that the DULLARD code worked in Mortal Kombat II on snes |
| 03:42.36 | stoned | moron |
| 03:42.44 | stoned | cool dude |
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| 03:42.46 | stoned | BlackDragon42: hi |
| 03:42.58 | BlackDragon42 | Only on the Genesis version. |
| 03:43.03 | Nyle | it never did |
| 03:43.07 | Nyle | mk2 no way |
| 03:43.17 | loupgaroublond | Nyle, did you tell him to try the GULLIBLE code? |
| 03:43.21 | Nyle | you push anythinng but dpad and you select character |
| 03:43.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:43.30 | Nyle | lol |
| 03:43.52 | Nyle | in mk1 you can actually push the A button cuz it doesn't select your char if you do |
| 03:44.00 | Nyle | down up left left A right down |
| 03:44.02 | Nyle | dullard |
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| 03:44.34 | Nyle | anyway... |
| 03:44.57 | Nyle | so yeh, you good a good eye Guerin you spotted that "" |
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| 03:45.11 | Nyle | or lackthereof |
| 03:45.18 | Nyle | myspacebardoesn'tworkanymore |
| 03:45.45 | Nyle | i've had this wireless keyboard/mouse for 4 years |
| 03:45.49 | Throat | seeanotherproblemsolved,becausenowyoucannotcreatefileswithspacesanymore |
| 03:45.50 | Nyle | its wearing out on me |
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| 03:45.58 | Nyle | they spacebarkey is so hard to push |
| 03:46.14 | Nyle | the netal bar that goes through it is broke, it jams |
| 03:46.18 | Throat | perhaps you're just smoking the wrong kind of weed :) |
| 03:46.31 | Throat | weakens mind and body |
| 03:46.31 | Throat | ehe |
| 03:46.50 | dalias | wireless kb = wonderful way to type your password..... |
| 03:46.52 | navaladi | Firefox problem: "Service Unavailable" can any one have idea to fix this.? |
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| 03:47.04 | dalias | since they have no encryption whatsoever, much less good encryption |
| 03:47.09 | Guerin | Nyle: make the service available |
| 03:47.10 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:47.14 | Guerin | navaladi: ↑ |
| 03:47.16 | Nyle | whhat service |
| 03:47.21 | Nyle | oh |
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| 03:47.28 | Nyle | funny fucker aint ya |
| 03:47.29 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:47.32 | navaladi | :D |
| 03:47.39 | dalias | i should make a wireless keyboard sniffer |
| 03:47.41 | Guerin | i like to answer stupidity with obviousness |
| 03:47.43 | Nyle | navaladi: give us moreinfo |
| 03:47.49 | dalias | and take it near some politician's office :) |
| 03:47.50 | Nyle | !tell navaladi -about ask |
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| 03:48.03 | dalias | see what kinda juicy stuff i can find :) |
| 03:48.20 | navaladi | Guys, i'm getting an error while loading one webpage |
| 03:48.30 | Guerin | navaladi: complain to the webmaster |
| 03:48.31 | Nyle | omg |
| 03:48.37 | navaladi | so the firefox gives an error "service unavailable" |
| 03:48.44 | Nyle | its not firefox's fault |
| 03:48.46 | Nyle | and firstly |
| 03:48.49 | SeveredCross | Uhh... |
| 03:48.53 | Nyle | fuck all that, debian doesn't HAVE firefox |
| 03:48.59 | Nyle | wtf are you using? |
| 03:49.00 | SeveredCross | Did you seriously come to an OS support channel to ask for Firefox issues? |
| 03:49.01 | Throat | hehe |
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| 03:49.23 | SeveredCross | Doesn't reply to VERSION, whatever it is. |
| 03:49.24 | navaladi | pls wait guys.. |
| 03:49.25 | Bogus8 | anyone know of any good tools to try and dictionary attack ssh? |
| 03:49.46 | Bogus8 | it's a cisco 800 router |
| 03:49.47 | navaladi | i thought it's debian/firefox specific issue |
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| 03:49.59 | LePasPsy62 | hi |
| 03:49.59 | SeveredCross | Why would it be? |
| 03:50.01 | Nyle | navaladi: debian does NOT have firefox. |
| 03:50.15 | LePasPsy62 | i have a problem with cdrom, it not reconize, but i can boot on it |
| 03:50.15 | navaladi | Nyle: thanks |
| 03:50.25 | Throat | Nyle, it has, debian people are just too stupid to call it that way ;) |
| 03:50.30 | Nyle | I think oldstable *sarge* was updated to also include a rebrand |
| 03:50.31 | LePasPsy62 | when i see on hdb i can see this |
| 03:50.32 | Nyle | i think |
| 03:50.38 | LePasPsy62 | hdb: probing with STATUS(0x54) instead of ALTSTATUS(0x50) |
| 03:50.42 | LePasPsy62 | an idea ? |
| 03:50.48 | Nyle | iceweasel != firefox |
| 03:50.51 | navaladi | Guerin : thanks, i'll do |
| 03:50.55 | Nyle | ice != fire |
| 03:50.59 | Nyle | fox != weasel |
| 03:51.02 | Nyle | kthx. |
| 03:51.17 | Throat | name one difference that matters? |
| 03:51.26 | Nyle | the name |
| 03:51.34 | Nyle | umm.. licensing |
| 03:51.37 | Nyle | huge matter |
| 03:51.40 | Nyle | c'mon dude |
| 03:51.40 | Throat | 'that matters' |
| 03:51.44 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:51.46 | Nyle | it matters |
| 03:51.48 | Throat | not really |
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| 03:51.51 | Nyle | not to you |
| 03:51.54 | Nyle | but to debian it does |
| 03:51.56 | Throat | ex-act-ly |
| 03:52.04 | Nyle | and it matters to people who want completely free software |
| 03:52.07 | odla | Throat: it matters ... that's what debian is about |
| 03:52.07 | Nyle | no restrictions |
| 03:52.20 | odla | read the DFSG |
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| 03:52.26 | Throat | no thanks |
| 03:52.28 | Nyle | !policy |
| 03:52.28 | dpkg | policy is probably available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 03:52.53 | Throat | and it does not matter to anyone using it |
| 03:52.59 | odla | Throat: yes it does |
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| 03:53.16 | Throat | perhaps to some weirdos |
| 03:53.17 | Nyle | well i mean |
| 03:53.17 | Throat | maybe |
| 03:53.19 | Throat | dunno |
| 03:53.27 | odla | Throat: or most of the debian developers |
| 03:53.33 | LePasPsy62 | i search any help for my problem of cdrom :o( |
| 03:53.36 | Throat | *USERS* |
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| 03:53.49 | dalias | throat, the difference is that debian is not allowed to distribute it as "firefox" |
| 03:53.56 | Throat | i know |
| 03:54.03 | dalias | this was not debian's decision afaik; it was ultimatum from the ff developers |
| 03:54.05 | Nyle | you have to install a useragent changer extension or do it yourself in about:config to change the name to firefox in browser identification in order to install say google toolbar and other addons that search specically for string 'firefox' |
| 03:54.09 | dalias | who are proprietary windows lamers... |
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| 03:54.13 | Throat | but from the guy who's asking viewpoint, that is of no avail |
| 03:54.16 | Nyle | !iceweasel |
| 03:54.17 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 03:54.29 | \amethyst | It is not hard to find the setting in about:config |
| 03:54.47 | Nyle | \amethyst: i was listin all possible |
| 03:55.05 | cast | dalias: indeed. debian was happy using firefox, mozilla was not happy with debian calling it that |
| 03:55.18 | dalias | btw |
| 03:55.22 | dalias | i know one huge difference |
| 03:55.48 | dalias | in iceweasel, indic languages, tibetan, mongolian, uighur, etc. render correctly |
| 03:55.56 | dalias | in firefox they do not, on linux |
| 03:55.58 | Throat | the iceweasel is more cute then the firefox=? |
| 03:56.03 | Nyle | well cuz debian kicks ass |
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| 03:56.10 | dalias | because the mozilla idiots build their binaries with pango disabled |
| 03:56.21 | Nyle | no no |
| 03:56.26 | Nyle | stop. |
| 03:56.30 | Nyle | Throat: ^^ |
| 03:56.31 | dalias | ? |
| 03:56.45 | Nyle | where will sarcasm get you? |
| 03:56.47 | Nyle | no where. |
| 03:56.56 | Throat | what sarcasm? |
| 03:56.59 | Throat | there was none |
| 03:57.14 | Throat | he used an outright insult :) |
| 03:57.18 | Nyle | and you mispelled than |
| 03:57.33 | Nyle | no i was talking to you |
| 03:57.37 | Nyle | cute comment |
| 03:57.45 | Throat | that wasnt sarcasm either |
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| 03:57.59 | Nyle | boring.... *yawn* |
| 03:58.04 | Nyle | Guerin: you still around? |
| 03:58.12 | Throat | but thanks for calling my comment cute :) |
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| 03:59.33 | Nyle | im gonn go play mario |
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| 04:00.03 | Nyle | that was the first game i ever plaed |
| 04:00.25 | Nyle | super mario world on snes i was 12 years old,only played computers and ataris and such before it |
| 04:00.34 | Nyle | bye now |
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| 04:02.55 | ggghhh20 | how od i get a configure script when theres only a configure.ac and a make file.in |
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| 04:07.55 | K`zan | Hi folks, I am moving the deb install from sda to sdb, What rsync options do I need to completely back up a non-running parition (O/S partition) ? Tried it with with -rpv and it kernel panic'd out with some problem with /sbin/init and I figure that those "non-regular files" that didn't get dealt with might be the problem ?!? TMIA! |
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| 04:08.17 | Guerin | Nyle: temporarily |
| 04:08.45 | K`zan | I'm running the transfer / backup from a rescue CD... |
| 04:09.36 | stiv2k_ | hey if i have twinview setup can i somehow make it so i have 2 different desktops instead of stretching teh desktop across both screens |
| 04:09.39 | stiv2k_ | like one screen is one workspace, the other screen is another workspace |
| 04:09.41 | stiv2k_ | sorta |
| 04:10.04 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.21 | stiv2k_ | lindenle: what is that? where do i disable it |
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| 04:10.26 | dalias | k`zan, i always use -aPv with rsync |
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| 04:11.02 | dalias | -r is NOT sufficient |
| 04:11.05 | K`zan | dalias, Backing up / moving a OS install partition? |
| 04:11.20 | dalias | for any use at all |
| 04:11.35 | nvz | ugh, I can't do the ctrl+alt zoom thing in X anymore now that I got this damn LCD |
| 04:11.37 | dalias | -r does not preserve ownership, symlinks, devices, etc. |
| 04:11.58 | K`zan | dalias, OK, I had been using the -rpv never had problems (for some reason) before this. Let me give that a shot. Thanks VERY *VERY* much! |
| 04:12.14 | dalias | -a = -rlptgoD = recurse, preserve links, permissions, times, groups, owners, and devices |
| 04:12.26 | K`zan | Ah, ok that makes sense. |
| 04:12.31 | dalias | just like with cp, -a is the good version of -r |
| 04:12.37 | dalias | -r is the bad version you should never use |
| 04:13.02 | dalias | also |
| 04:13.09 | K`zan | OK, will wipe the parition and do it again with -aPv |
| 04:13.12 | dalias | you might need to unmount /proc while you make the copy |
| 04:13.24 | K`zan | Partition is not running, just mounted. |
| 04:13.27 | dalias | proc can confuse things a lot |
| 04:13.28 | dalias | ah ok |
| 04:13.30 | K`zan | for the rsync |
| 04:13.33 | nvz | I used to cheat when I wanted to see small images or videos full screen that got shitty looking after being streched past a certain point by zooming in the resolution.. I can't seem to do that now that I have a LCD |
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| 04:13.45 | K`zan | doing this off of a rescue cd. |
| 04:13.59 | dalias | nvz, if you have an lcd, zooming the resolution will look even more shitty |
| 04:14.14 | nvz | dalias: doesnt matter cause I can't do it |
| 04:14.18 | dalias | because the lcd just does the scaling back to full-resolution in the hardware |
| 04:14.25 | dalias | and does a very poor job of it |
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| 04:16.55 | nvz | I dont know any other tricks.. gqview lets me do two pass zooming and with the quality set to hyper its decent but depending on how small the source image is and how large the full screen resolution is, it still looks pretty bad |
| 04:18.45 | nvz | the damn resolution on this LCD is like 1280x1024 which is probably like 5-10x larger than some of the images I want to display right now. |
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| 04:19.03 | nvz | streching them to that size they don't look too good :P |
| 04:19.15 | SeveredCross | LOL |
| 04:19.44 | nvz | sucks worse with video cause detail seems to count more when watching shows |
| 04:19.59 | nvz | I liked being able to go to a lower res on my CRT |
| 04:20.31 | bedboi | \amethyst: i mangaed to do that |
| 04:20.39 | bedboi | s/mangaed/managed |
| 04:20.56 | bedboi | *** The unres symbol new_pi_low_client in file libpientity.so is resolved in libpilowclient.so |
| 04:21.22 | bedboi | now i know that libpientity depends on libpilowclient |
| 04:21.26 | bedboi | it is so simple |
| 04:21.30 | nvz | but photo editing is much easier when you can make out what you are editing :P |
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| 04:31.18 | bullgard4 | find / needs 50 minutes on my Ubuntu 7.04 computer with an Intel M processor. Is there a benchmark to compare the performance of several Linux computers for operations like find? |
| 04:31.47 | bedboi | so cool |
| 04:32.23 | zinx | i would imagine find / performance is going to depend on the filesystem and drive |
| 04:32.46 | zinx | and how much is cached :/ |
| 04:32.59 | Elad3 | maybe locate command? |
| 04:33.01 | zinx | and, the number of files/directories |
| 04:33.13 | zinx | in short... why the heck are you trying to benchmark a thing like that? |
| 04:33.17 | Guerin | bullgard4: why would you bother to benchmark something so meaningless? |
| 04:33.27 | Guerin | zinx: stop eating my brain |
| 04:33.35 | zinx | mmmm braainmeats |
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| 04:36.04 | simonrvn | does that go well with frybread? :P |
| 04:37.09 | bedboi | geo-rge: i managed to do that stuff :) |
| 04:37.20 | bedboi | geo-rge: it was so simple... |
| 04:37.29 | slapfaceware | i created a user without its home directory |
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| 04:38.25 | slapfaceware | how do i add home directory to this user? |
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| 04:40.27 | SorenStoutner | slapfaceware: do you use KDE or gnome? |
| 04:40.27 | bullgard4 | Guerin: Stop trolling. |
| 04:40.43 | SorenStoutner | slapfaceware: or something else? |
| 04:40.44 | Guerin | bullgard4: Impossible, since I never started. |
| 04:40.46 | zinx | bullgard4: he brings up a perfectly valid point |
| 04:40.53 | slapfaceware | no man, it's server |
| 04:40.56 | slapfaceware | no gui |
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| 04:41.43 | Ozux | How can I know which process using my specific file? |
| 04:41.51 | dondelelcaro | Ozux: lsof |
| 04:41.52 | Guerin | lsof/fuser |
| 04:41.52 | SorenStoutner | slapfaceware: edit /etc/passwd |
| 04:41.55 | slapfaceware | i need kde to assign home directory to user? |
| 04:42.01 | SorenStoutner | no. |
| 04:42.03 | Ozux | dondelelcaro: Oh TNX alot |
| 04:42.07 | bullgard4 | zinx: It is of meaning to strive for a better performance of long-lasting operations a find /. |
| 04:42.10 | slapfaceware | is there a command to assign home directory to a user? |
| 04:42.19 | bullgard4 | as |
| 04:42.38 | SorenStoutner | slapfaceware: you'll see where each user is assigned a home directory in the /etc/passwd file. Just add the directory to the user you want and create the directory manually. |
| 04:43.08 | zinx | bullgard4: so you're going to use your computer to run find /? |
| 04:43.14 | slapfaceware | so there is no known command to assign a home directory to a user, is that correct? |
| 04:43.30 | SorenStoutner | Not that I'm aware of, but that definitely doesn't mean there isn't one. |
| 04:43.34 | bullgard4 | zinx: Stop trolling. |
| 04:43.34 | semprix | slapfaceware: usermod? |
| 04:43.34 | zinx | bullgard4: i suggest using a ramfs for your entire install - it will give you the best find / performance. |
| 04:43.37 | slapfaceware | nothing like usermod and stuff? |
| 04:44.16 | zinx | bullgard4: tmpfs may also do it, but that will put stuff in swap if the memory is needed by other programs - i don't know if that will be an issue for your setup |
| 04:44.28 | SorenStoutner | slapfaceware: looks like usermod -d /home/directory should do it. |
| 04:44.35 | semprix | slapfaceware: usermod - Modify a user account |
| 04:44.49 | slapfaceware | that's what im looking for. thanks |
| 04:44.51 | K`zan | dalias, -aPv worked out fine, running off the new partition now, THANKS! |
| 04:45.08 | semprix | slapfaceware: usermod -d as root |
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| 04:46.14 | dalias | nvz, hey, lcd sucks. sorry :( |
| 04:46.18 | SorenStoutner | slapfaceware: you can see all the options by typing man usermod. |
| 04:47.00 | slapfaceware | cool |
| 04:47.14 | nvz | dalias: I like the picture and the fact that its a bigger viewable area and weight less and takes up less space |
| 04:47.22 | nvz | dalias: just don't like the fixed resolution |
| 04:47.36 | dalias | yeah well it's a fixed number of dots |
| 04:47.45 | zinx | nvz: i like the sharpness, and am willing to live with the fixed resolution for it :) |
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| 04:48.08 | dalias | i like the way a crt de-pixellates text |
| 04:48.11 | zinx | and most modern CRTs use shadow invar masks, which i absolutely can not stand |
| 04:48.16 | Guerin | bullgard4: the point is that you were benchmarking by distro. That's going to result in pointless results, since distro choice is extremely unlikely to make a blind bit of difference (and unless you control for more important factors your results will be fucking meaningless) |
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| 04:48.29 | zinx | they can't even draw a straight line due to it (straight lines end up jagged..) |
| 04:48.32 | dalias | what is shadow invar mask? |
| 04:48.37 | zinx | the triangle junk |
| 04:48.39 | dalias | i only use old crts anyway |
| 04:48.46 | dasunt | If I'm building from source, how do I add my own patch after all of debian patches? |
| 04:48.55 | Guerin | bullgard4: and calling people who raise valid methodological cautions against your poorly-thought-through schemes `trolls' is hardly rasigin your credibility |
| 04:49.01 | zinx | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Shadow_mask_closeup_cursor.jpg/200px-Shadow_mask_closeup_cursor.jpg |
| 04:49.23 | dalias | guerin, is bullgard4 trying to compare how fast distros perform "find /" ? |
| 04:49.33 | dalias | all this will determine is which distro installed more bloat... |
| 04:49.37 | zinx | dalias: Apparently. |
| 04:49.37 | Guerin | dalias: that's what his initial question implied. |
| 04:50.05 | Guerin | dalias: no. All it will determine is how much data is present; on what filesystem and what hardware |
| 04:50.10 | dalias | debian probably doesn't even have 'find' in the base distro, in which case it would win easily |
| 04:50.17 | bullgard4 | Three trolls altogether- |
| 04:50.32 | zinx | dalias: shadow invar masks can't draw straight horizontal/vertical lines because of the pixel layout (depicted above).. they draw like \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ |
| 04:50.35 | dalias | by immediately showing "bash: find: command not found" |
| 04:50.39 | Guerin | bullgard4: i don't think that word means what you think it means. |
| 04:50.48 | stiv2k_ | anyone here run more than one X screen |
| 04:50.49 | zinx | dalias: at least, at the resolution they're designed to run at |
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| 04:51.03 | Guerin | !anyone use more than one X screen? |
| 04:51.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses more than one X screen, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:51.17 | Sebboh | :P |
| 04:51.24 | stiv2k_ | ok |
| 04:51.26 | Sebboh | I use more than one X screen. |
| 04:51.33 | stiv2k_ | i am having trouble getting this 2nd monitor to work |
| 04:51.37 | Sebboh | yeah |
| 04:51.41 | Sebboh | I did too. :) |
| 04:51.46 | stiv2k_ | every time i configure nvidia-settings, either both screens stay black (off) |
| 04:51.47 | zinx | dalias: aperture grills produce superior quality IMHO, and those used to be common, but they are very very rare now |
| 04:51.51 | stiv2k_ | or it freezes my laptop |
| 04:52.07 | Sebboh | also sounds familiar. |
| 04:52.14 | Sebboh | Good luck. ;) |
| 04:52.16 | dalias | zinx, ah |
| 04:52.17 | stiv2k_ | any idea what i am doing wrong, Sebboh ? |
| 04:52.42 | Sebboh | Do you have a vid card with two video outputs, or two vid cards? Oh, laptop. |
| 04:52.50 | stiv2k_ | yea |
| 04:53.02 | stiv2k_ | laptop screen plus VGA - out hooked up to another monitor |
| 04:53.06 | Sebboh | I have no idea. But if you want, throw your xorg.conf in a pastebin I'll take a look |
| 04:53.11 | stiv2k_ | ok |
| 04:53.32 | Guerin | Sebboh: plain old vga-out tends to only work INSTEAD of internal, because there's still only one video device. |
| 04:53.36 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:53.39 | Guerin | stiv2k_: |
| 04:53.42 | Sebboh | Question: can I get that rotating cube desktop on KDE? |
| 04:53.53 | Guerin | Sebboh: you have my permission. |
| 04:54.09 | Sebboh | I have failed to do so thus far. :/ |
| 04:54.12 | stiv2k_ | Guerin: so i cant do it unless i have 2 video cards? |
| 04:54.48 | Guerin | stiv2k_: depends on the machine, but probably not. |
| 04:54.48 | stiv2k_ | http://pastebin.com/m52bbdff9 |
| 04:54.48 | Sebboh | stiv2k_, uh, what guerin is saying is.. not.. really.. well, valid. |
| 04:54.48 | Sebboh | ;) |
| 04:55.02 | SorenStoutner | Guerin: it works in other (inferior) operating systems. |
| 04:55.05 | stiv2k_ | o shit |
| 04:55.07 | Guerin | Sebboh: sure it is. What I'm saying is that it depends on the machine, which it manifestly does. |
| 04:55.11 | stiv2k_ | i see 2 Device sections there |
| 04:55.26 | stiv2k_ | maybe thats the problem? |
| 04:55.48 | Guerin | SorenStoutner: if it works on windows, it'll work on unix. The limitation of which I speak is hardware, not software/drivers. |
| 04:56.02 | Sebboh | Guerin, most laptops support 'extend desktop' in windows. He's got nvidia... so, the extend desktop technology for linux is called twinview. ..for nvidia. It's something else for ati. |
| 04:56.19 | stiv2k_ | Sebboh: correct i had twinview working but i didnt like it |
| 04:56.23 | Guerin | Sebboh: does his? |
| 04:56.30 | Guerin | that's ultimately the question. |
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| 04:56.40 | stiv2k_ | Sebboh: i want to have one workspace on one monitor, and another workspace on the other monitor |
| 04:56.46 | stiv2k_ | instead of spanning it across two screens |
| 04:57.39 | stiv2k_ | ya feel? |
| 04:58.05 | SorenStoutner | I've never seen one that could do it in Windows. |
| 04:58.16 | SorenStoutner | I've never seen one that couldn't do it in Windows. |
| 04:58.16 | Sebboh | stiv, *shrug* take what you can get. look here http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Dual_Monitors at twinview. It might also be possible to do what you want, dunno. I've seen two device entries point at the same device.. Those were desktop machines I think, though. |
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| 04:58.34 | stiv2k_ | Sebboh: i see |
| 04:58.48 | dalias | the annoying thing you can't do in windows is clone the same output to both screens (with most drivers) |
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| 04:59.02 | Sebboh | you had twinview working, just saw that. Ok, well, you're ahead of the curve here. ;) |
| 04:59.04 | Guerin | dalias: again, that depends on the hardware. |
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| 04:59.19 | SorenStoutner | Yes, but all the laptops I've ever worked with have a clone mode handled by their hardware. |
| 04:59.37 | SorenStoutner | The only downside is that the resolution must always be the same in that case. |
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| 05:00.19 | stiv2k_ | Sebboh: is it saying to justm ake 2 device entries thats it? |
| 05:01.06 | dalias | guerin, i'm talking about hardware where the linux drivers support clone but the windows ones don't... |
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| 05:01.35 | dalias | which is a big problem when you need to show a movie on the external display |
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| 05:01.45 | dalias | and the video card's overlay only works on 'monitor 1' |
| 05:02.11 | dalias | and WiMP doesn't have an option to disable overlay |
| 05:02.14 | Guerin | dalias: i haven't ever had to do such things in windows |
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| 05:02.18 | dalias | so you just get a nice black window.... |
| 05:02.39 | dalias | i had this happen to a presenter who was a friend of mine |
| 05:02.48 | Sebboh | stiv2k_, in looking at your xorg.conf, I see that you have almost exactly the setup that is supposed to enable what you want. I notice that you have screen declarations in your device sections.. That does either nothing, or something bad, I think. (Notice that you declare a device in each screen, so, what's the point of the other way around?) |
| 05:03.04 | Guerin | i just have a long bit o' coax and a vga->rf box plugged in between my video card and monitor and tv |
| 05:03.06 | dalias | after trying to help him fix it for 10 minutes i ran 3 or 4 blocks to get my laptop out of my car and brought it back to use |
| 05:03.23 | stiv2k_ | Sebboh: i dunno i didnt configure it |
| 05:03.26 | stiv2k_ | nvidia-settings did |
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| 05:03.56 | DaveLib | hello i am running debian testing for days now i lost many days aptitude update is getting me no upgradeable packages and no nerw packages is this really happening or there there something wrong with my intetrnet connection or repositories or something? |
| 05:04.15 | Sebboh | Never used that. Tried, it failed with some error message. Look at that wiki page, it has some good info, for the multiple screen method that you want, too, I think. |
| 05:04.28 | Guerin | DaveLib: change mirrror |
| 05:04.52 | Sebboh | so, how do I get the rotating cube desktop in kde? What do I install? |
| 05:04.55 | DaveLib | ok so other people are seeing testing updating as nrmal recently? |
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| 05:05.19 | lkthomas_ | hey guys |
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| 05:05.27 | lkthomas_ | can I completely disable local console ? |
| 05:05.46 | dalias | lkthomas_, ? |
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| 05:06.06 | lkthomas_ | which means user see nothing even plugin local monitor |
| 05:06.24 | Sebboh | don't start any getty's?? |
| 05:06.28 | dalias | i suppose you could, but what's the need? |
| 05:06.36 | dalias | are you trying to save 500k of memory? |
| 05:06.45 | Sebboh | dalias, ours is not to reason why.. ours is but to do and die. |
| 05:06.46 | dalias | because that's about the only benefit i can think of |
| 05:06.47 | lkthomas_ | I don't want client to messing around with our box |
| 05:06.56 | dalias | umm |
| 05:07.00 | Guerin | dalias: i should imagine you'd be 100% behind such a project |
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| 05:07.04 | dalias | console does not allow messing around with the box |
| 05:07.09 | Sebboh | lkthomas_, if the client has physical access.. |
| 05:07.21 | dalias | you need a password to login |
| 05:07.24 | lkthomas_ | dalias: let's assume they know a bit on linux |
| 05:07.26 | Guerin | dedicating hundreds of dev-hours to saving a few hundred k seem to be *exactly* where you're at |
| 05:07.28 | Sebboh | lkthomas_, a screwdriver is the most powerful hacking tool known to man. |
| 05:07.31 | lkthomas_ | dalias: you know it could crack :) |
| 05:07.41 | lkthomas_ | anyway |
| 05:07.42 | dalias | lkthomas_, nothing once linux starts can be cracked |
| 05:07.50 | dalias | however they can just boot it from a cd if they want to... |
| 05:07.58 | dalias | or take the hdd out and put it in another machine |
| 05:07.58 | liable | lkthomas_: and they can just boot it and change it back |
| 05:08.01 | lkthomas_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.11 | dalias | but having the console login prompt there is NOT USEFUL at all to keep people out |
| 05:08.14 | liable | thats a stupid idea. |
| 05:08.15 | Sebboh | dalias WHAT? Are you serious? :D <dalias> lkthomas_, nothing once linux starts can be cracked |
| 05:08.24 | dalias | it is absolutely impossible to use it to get logged in unless you know the password |
| 05:08.35 | dalias | sebboh, on the console, yes |
| 05:08.41 | lkthomas_ | dalias: safe mode :) |
| 05:08.46 | Guerin | Sebboh: he has become well-known for his unfounded, hilarous statements over the past couple days |
| 05:08.53 | dalias | lkthomas_, um, thats not once linux is started |
| 05:08.59 | dalias | that's in grub or something |
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| 05:09.07 | dalias | (i dunno; i've never used grub) |
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| 05:09.42 | Guerin | there was a bug in login recently which echoed the root password to a terminal under certain conditions |
| 05:09.46 | Guerin | in cleartext |
| 05:09.49 | Guerin | that ain't pretty |
| 05:09.51 | lkthomas_ | LOL |
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| 05:09.56 | lkthomas_ | good one! |
| 05:10.01 | Guerin | of course, you had to ENTER it first |
| 05:10.04 | lkthomas_ | you got to love it :) |
| 05:10.05 | Sebboh | dalias, I guarentee that I could at least DoS a box using nothing than the keyboard, come on. :) DoS < Crash < Execute, of course, but, it's a start. ;) |
| 05:10.21 | MasterGH | Hi, anyone know a way of finding out the exact mm dimensions of my monitor with any sort of probing commands? |
| 05:10.31 | Guerin | MasterGH: eyeometer |
| 05:10.36 | MasterGH | ok |
| 05:10.44 | Guerin | or better still, lengthometer |
| 05:10.48 | Guerin | aka `ruler' |
| 05:10.53 | MasterGH | heh |
| 05:10.53 | lkthomas_ | LOL |
| 05:10.59 | Throat | oh well, good night |
| 05:10.59 | lkthomas_ | use your fucking ruler man |
| 05:11.03 | Throat | and dont troll :) |
| 05:11.06 | dalias | sebboh, dos a box with a keyboard? how? |
| 05:11.17 | MasterGH | hehe, just wanted to find something exact :) |
| 05:11.20 | dalias | maybe if it was compiled with magic sysrq... :P |
| 05:11.21 | Guerin | dalias: ctrl+alt+del |
| 05:11.24 | dalias | lol |
| 05:11.25 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 05:11.36 | dalias | ctrl+alt+del should be the first thing you disable when installing a box... |
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| 05:12.03 | dalias | there's a /proc way to disable it, an inittab way to disable it, and a loadkeys way to disable it |
| 05:12.10 | dalias | doing all 3 is the best :) |
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| 05:12.19 | Sebboh | dalias, overun the the keyboard buffers, make it use the PC speaker, (the keyboard buffers I guess raise an interrupt to beep when they are full, puts the whole system in a wait state!) |
| 05:12.36 | Guerin | Sebboh: fail |
| 05:12.48 | Sebboh | At least, that's what happened on a pentium.. Have things changed? |
| 05:12.52 | dalias | sebboh, nope |
| 05:12.52 | Guerin | yes |
| 05:13.01 | Guerin | by several hundred orders of magnitude |
| 05:13.02 | liable | maybe |
| 05:13.11 | basanta | ps2 mouse stopped working in debian |
| 05:13.24 | dalias | you can't overrun the keyboard buffers |
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| 05:13.30 | Sebboh | oh shit.. you're right. usb? Damn.... |
| 05:13.31 | dalias | the max repeat rate is 30 chars/sec |
| 05:13.56 | Sebboh | Dalias, uh.. we're obviously not speaking the same language here. =) |
| 05:14.11 | Guerin | seems you're both speaking stupidese to me |
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| 05:14.26 | Sebboh | you've never made your pc beep by setting a book on the keyboard? :P |
| 05:14.39 | Guerin | just different dialects thereof, perhaps |
| 05:14.40 | dalias | sebboh, it doesn't do any harm to the box |
| 05:15.31 | stiv2k_ | wtf |
| 05:15.36 | stiv2k_ | i got it to work but i dont know how |
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| 05:15.52 | dalias | regardless |
| 05:15.58 | Sebboh | Sure it did, in the pentium days. Although, I do recall now that the newer systems would do a fast beep at some point, and I guess clear the buffers (discard input) because the system would start responding again after a few fast beeps. |
| 05:16.07 | Sebboh | good sti |
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| 05:16.18 | dalias | no idea what you mean. this is an os bug if anything |
| 05:16.26 | dalias | (dos/windows perhaps?) |
| 05:16.59 | dalias | i've used linux systems for 10 years, including on original pentiums, with no such problem from the keyboard |
| 05:17.00 | Sebboh | no no, it was hardware. The bus got flooded with interrupts.. remember interrupts? |
| 05:17.24 | dalias | umm i know what interrupts are |
| 05:17.31 | dalias | the computer can handle millions per second |
| 05:17.36 | Sebboh | I am sure that it would not work with a USB keyboard. I'll try it later tonight if I can find a ps2 keyboard around. |
| 05:17.39 | dalias | the keyboard does not generate millions of interrupts per second |
| 05:17.43 | dalias | you're talking nonsense |
| 05:17.51 | dalias | i don't use usb keyboards |
| 05:17.55 | dalias | never have and never will |
| 05:18.05 | dalias | because i only use the ibm click keyboard (model m) |
| 05:18.35 | dalias | regardless |
| 05:19.05 | Sebboh | the problem was that the cpu entered a wait state until the speaker finished a beep, each beep was like 500ms long, and you could generate new beeps in the queue at a rate of 30/s... But yes, regardless indeed. =) |
| 05:19.14 | dalias | there is no way to compromise a linux machine that has been properly configured using the local console |
| 05:19.43 | dalias | of course you can with physical access if you open up the machine or attach other devices to it |
| 05:20.03 | dalias | but the keyboard and standard devices attached to it are not sufficient to DoS it or to obtain privileges |
| 05:20.16 | jetscreamer | quit interrupting |
| 05:20.16 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 05:20.16 | dalias | sebboh, linux does NOT remain in the interrupt handler during beeps |
| 05:20.27 | dalias | that would make the system utterly useless |
| 05:20.32 | dalias | you're thinking of DOS |
| 05:21.08 | Sebboh | I think it was hardware, but, yes, I'm sure that it could not happen to a modern system. |
| 05:21.20 | dalias | it's software, i.e. dos/windows |
| 05:21.37 | dalias | nothing in the pc hardware regarding keyboards has changed since 1987 or so... |
| 05:21.44 | slapfaceware | how do i add a user to su group so user can su |
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| 05:22.21 | dalias | even at vs ps/2 is just a different plug |
| 05:22.28 | dalias | no internal differences |
| 05:22.51 | Sebboh | And, I accept your statement that you can't do anything bad to a linux box if all you have is the keyboard and you don't have any login creditials. ..I accept it to a point. I wouldn't trust the statement absolutely; like with computers that control nuclear power plants or something. |
| 05:23.44 | dalias | well forget about the keyboard. if the computer controls a nuclear power plant, the fact that someone could have physical access is already problematic enough |
| 05:23.45 | K`zan | dalias: WOrking now, thanks, got a question for re-doing grub at this point - I think I should do the "root (hd1,1)" and re-run setup (hd0) or should that be hd1 (this is the mbr?!?). |
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| 05:24.00 | dalias | for instance if they could screw with the keyboard they could also open up the box and attach stuff inside... |
| 05:24.06 | dalias | or put a keylogger in the keyboard |
| 05:24.07 | dalias | etc. |
| 05:24.23 | Sebboh | Dalias, yeah, I know that.. I also know that there is a pin going directly off the ps2 controller down the bus straight into the cpu. Even when teh keyboard controller was rolled into a bigger chip that did serial and such, too, it was the same. Now, when physical IRQ lines went away, things changes.. |
| 05:24.31 | dalias | k`zan, sorry, i don't know grub.. :( |
| 05:24.46 | K`zan | dalias: No problem, thanks for getting me this far. |
| 05:24.50 | dalias | k`zan, when switching root drives, i normally boot from a floppy or cd |
| 05:24.54 | vigilant | Anyone know in detail about sshd_config's ? Like if it requires a valid authorization key only to connect via ssh, like what are teh steps to set it up for an ip eactly? anyone know thanks |
| 05:25.01 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 from bash ... |
| 05:25.12 | dalias | k`zan, and reinstall the bootloader (i use lilo myself) after booting the new root fs using the bootdisk |
| 05:26.00 | Sebboh | vigilant, what are you trying to set up? You can do hosts allow to *restrict* connections to a certain IP, but, even then, you generally still need to authenticate via a password or key. |
| 05:26.34 | dalias | ip-based authentication is extremely insecure |
| 05:26.46 | dalias | if you want that, use rsh :P |
| 05:26.51 | dalias | rsh is made for ip-based auth |
| 05:26.56 | dalias | and its unencrypted |
| 05:27.09 | dalias | but encryption is useless if you're using ip-based auth |
| 05:27.28 | dalias | because anyone who could sniff the session could just spoof their ip instead and get their own login shell |
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| 05:27.59 | jetscreamer | root (hd1,1) says that /boot is on the second partition of the second hd |
| 05:28.19 | jetscreamer | well / but it's looking for /boot/grub |
| 05:28.44 | dalias | hmm new wine packages |
| 05:28.55 | dalias | i wonder if the last ones had a big bug |
| 05:29.12 | jetscreamer | and if windows was on hda1 you would grub-install hd0 to put grub in the mbr of the first disk |
| 05:29.22 | dalias | cos a windows program i was testing for a friend seemed to go bogus after my last apt-get upgrade |
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| 05:31.12 | jetscreamer | i guess it's dangerous to be a spambot |
| 05:31.25 | K`zan | :-) |
| 05:31.29 | K`zan | Night folks! |
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| 05:33.24 | buslogc | can someone give me a hint please? It seems "/lib/udev/vol_id --export /dev/.tmp-8-0" is causing constant READ activity on a SCSI disk I just hooked up to my machine. The disk was from a RAID set, so perhaps it's trying to verify stuff? Not sure. How do I stop it is what I'd like to know? Thanks in advance |
| 05:34.07 | buslogc | (I'd like to stop it because, I can't even access the disk due to the read onslaught udev is causing to it) |
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| 05:37.23 | jetscreamer | !blame udev |
| 05:37.35 | buslogc | heh |
| 05:37.52 | buslogc | I've done that a bunch of times :) |
| 05:38.11 | dalias | hey is it true that glibc is going to be changed to lgplv3? |
| 05:38.34 | Guerin | dalias: all gnu software will be v3 |
| 05:38.36 | dalias | if so, how the hell will debian deal with that? (since you can't distribute gplv2-only programs linked to it) |
| 05:38.42 | Guerin | for what I believe should be obvious reasons |
| 05:38.54 | \amethyst | dalias: two different sonames perhaps |
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| 05:39.23 | dalias | having to have 2 different versions of glibc on all debian systems sounds like a big problem |
| 05:39.29 | Arafangion | Guerin: By RMS's rsi-infested hands, it is very obvious. :) |
| 05:39.35 | Guerin | dalias: devs will have to update their licenses. Not hard, since almost all are `v2 or later' |
| 05:39.53 | dalias | guerin, there's plenty of 'v2 only' software by people who absolutely refuse to change it |
| 05:39.53 | Guerin | where `dev' in this case means `anyone' |
| 05:40.01 | dalias | so that's not possible |
| 05:40.16 | Guerin | dalias: and those people will go the way of David Dawes |
| 05:40.17 | dalias | i don't think debian will remove all this software from the dist |
| 05:40.22 | dalias | no |
| 05:40.50 | Guerin | or a v2 fork of libc will emerge |
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| 05:40.52 | dalias | for instance, linux. (but linux doesn't link to glibc anyway so t's no problem) |
| 05:40.59 | dalias | i think a v2 fork of glibc is much more likely |
| 05:41.03 | dalias | which would be a great thing |
| 05:41.08 | Guerin | meh |
| 05:41.08 | dalias | because ulrich drepper is incompetent |
| 05:41.24 | dalias | there are plenty of glibc bugs he's absolutely refused to fix |
| 05:41.28 | dalias | for irrational reasons |
| 05:41.29 | Guerin | i dispute the `plenty' in your statement |
| 05:41.47 | dalias | the uclibc authors have documented some of the cases |
| 05:41.55 | Bogus8 | anyone have a debian binary of thc's hydra? (I apperently can't compile it *shrug*) |
| 05:41.58 | popt | how to use dpkg command for #debian |
| 05:42.12 | Guerin | i doubt there are many projects which need to link against glibc who wouldn't change |
| 05:42.15 | popt | to Q a package |
| 05:42.19 | Guerin | popt: man dpkg |
| 05:42.23 | popt | no |
| 05:42.26 | Guerin | popt: yes |
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| 05:42.32 | dalias | guerin, all projects need to link against _some_ libc |
| 05:42.41 | dalias | and moreover even if they would change, many of the authors have disappeared |
| 05:42.48 | dalias | even finding them all would be a nightmare |
| 05:42.50 | popt | I mean issue a command on this channel |
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| 05:42.57 | Guerin | dalias: not at all true. All *c* projects do. |
| 05:43.05 | jetscreamer | !tell popt -about search |
| 05:43.07 | Guerin | popt: /msg dpkg help |
| 05:43.21 | dalias | guerin, libc is the only direct link to system facilities |
| 05:43.22 | popt | Guerin, yes, that's it |
| 05:43.24 | popt | thx |
| 05:43.35 | dalias | all other-language programs indirectly use the libc through their language's wrappers |
| 05:43.48 | Guerin | dalias: if the license is v2 only and the author won't/can't change, then he'll be consigned to the dustbin of history unless a viable v2-only community arises |
| 05:43.54 | Guerin | which frankly I can't see |
| 05:44.19 | jetscreamer | well there is one atm eh |
| 05:44.29 | jetscreamer | or recently |
| 05:44.33 | Guerin | not to my knowledge |
| 05:44.34 | dalias | guerin, i think you're unaware of the amount of v2-only software out there |
| 05:44.46 | jetscreamer | pre v3 |
| 05:44.47 | Guerin | there's a very strong `v2 or later' community, but that's not the same |
| 05:44.52 | dalias | for instance links/elinks |
| 05:44.54 | popt | how do I install A PACKAGE contain libevent lib? |
| 05:44.55 | Guerin | dalias: perhaps I am |
| 05:45.00 | dalias | busybox |
| 05:45.37 | Guerin | two moderately popular and reasonably useful projects |
| 05:45.46 | Guerin | but tbh, that don't make a community |
| 05:45.51 | dalias | busybox is absolutely opposed to v3 because it has some requirements that are unsuitable to their userbase. "v2 or later" would work for them except they hate v3 on principle |
| 05:46.03 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search <searchterm> then apt-get install something popt |
| 05:46.24 | dalias | elinks is not opposed to v3, but relicensing all the code and contacting all the contributors would be prohibitively much work |
| 05:46.27 | Guerin | let's face it: the devs who object so strongly to the FSF's direction would all use BSDL instead of [L]GPL |
| 05:46.37 | dalias | why? |
| 05:46.41 | popt | jetscreamer, oh |
| 05:47.00 | \amethyst | Guerin: there are people who like the GPL but don't want to be subjects to the whims of the FSF |
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| 05:47.25 | Guerin | dalias: is it not obvious? BSDL is for people who don't care about what happens to their code (notwithstanding TdR's recent whining). FSF licenses are for people who *do* care. |
| 05:47.32 | Bogus8 | anyone have a debian binary or .deb of thc's hydra? (I apperently can't compile it *shrug*) |
| 05:47.42 | Guerin | \amethyst: yes, again, I'd predict these are a diminishing minority. |
| 05:47.43 | dalias | i mildly dislike v3, but i would never use bsd licenses |
| 05:48.07 | dalias | i despise proprieatry software and want to see it become a thing of the past |
| 05:48.21 | basanta | it looks like with the release of new debian old mouse stops working, first serial mouse became use less now ps2 what next |
| 05:48.37 | Guerin | basanta: correlation does not imply causation |
| 05:48.38 | dalias | gpl v2 is perfectly good for that goal. v3 is just full of unnecessary bloat and confusing language. |
| 05:48.53 | dalias | i don't mind licensing my code under 'gpl v2 or later' |
| 05:48.56 | ApEtc | Guerin: I love that line. |
| 05:49.07 | dalias | but gpl v2 is the version i will distribute in my source tarballs |
| 05:49.14 | Guerin | dalias: i disagree: it closes an important loophole which would eventually have rendered GPLv2 irrelevant as hypervisors became more common. |
| 05:49.29 | basanta | that line doesn't make my mouse work |
| 05:49.39 | dalias | hypervisors are irrelevant |
| 05:49.39 | Guerin | basanta: only you can make your mouse work. |
| 05:49.45 | Guerin | i suggest offering him more cheese |
| 05:49.55 | Guerin | dalias: not to TiVo, Inc. |
| 05:49.59 | dalias | they are. |
| 05:50.23 | dalias | if someone makes a program based on mine, and they use some code-signing nonsense to cripple their hardware so that it can't run modified versions... |
| 05:50.29 | dalias | they're still obligated to distribute the source |
| 05:50.36 | dalias | and sane people just won't buy the hardware |
| 05:50.49 | dalias | they'll build and run the source on an unrestricted piece of hardware |
| 05:50.52 | Guerin | dalias: demonstrably untrue; see TiVo. |
| 05:50.55 | Guerin | i mean |
| 05:50.59 | Guerin | seriously. |
| 05:51.06 | Guerin | have you thought about this at all? |
| 05:51.07 | dalias | tivo is scum, yes |
| 05:51.09 | dalias | yes |
| 05:51.14 | Guerin | it's not apparent |
| 05:51.17 | dalias | i've thought about it in-depth for several years |
| 05:51.29 | Guerin | but then, given your previous rants that isn't surprising |
| 05:51.40 | dalias | anyway |
| 05:51.59 | dalias | 'fixing' the tivo issue in gpl v2 could have been a 1-line diff |
| 05:52.31 | dalias | defining source code as everything needed to build a working version of the program on the platform for which the binary was made |
| 05:52.52 | dalias | they didn't need to make the document 3x longer to do that... |
| 05:52.54 | Guerin | the future under GPLv2 is the death of the consumer PC, to be replaced by an appliance running a proprietary hypervisor, inside which runs free software. That's not good, hackers, that's not good. |
| 05:52.55 | dalias | moreover |
| 05:53.02 | dalias | no |
| 05:53.06 | dalias | that's bullshit fud |
| 05:53.14 | Guerin | dalias: but that's not a meaningful definition of source code. |
| 05:53.25 | dalias | moreover |
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| 05:53.44 | GhostlyDeath | Where are the links to Debian 3.0 "woody" CD ISOs? |
| 05:53.50 | jetscreamer | !woody |
| 05:53.50 | dpkg | from memory, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
| 05:53.59 | dalias | if i have programs for which i care, i'll be happy to put a note with the license saying that, as the author, i consider source code to include any and all data needed to rebuild the binary' |
| 05:54.01 | Guerin | dalias: no legal or technical mechanism was in place to prevent it from happening, and the market imperatives (presuming the superiority of free software, all else equal) would have ensured it |
| 05:54.19 | jetscreamer | check the memory requirements |
| 05:54.36 | Guerin | dalias: you can't just go and make up definitions. That way lies years in courtrooms, and you losing your code because you can't afford to pay lawyers/. |
| 05:54.54 | Guerin | because you're up against Sony |
| 05:54.56 | dalias | no, no one will even use my code anyway |
| 05:55.03 | dalias | if they do, they won't even document the fact that they did |
| 05:55.06 | dalias | they'll lie |
| 05:55.13 | Guerin | well, if it's as well-constructed as your arguments that much is clear |
| 05:55.14 | dalias | and sicne it's binaryware no one will likely discover the theft |
| 05:55.24 | dalias | i bet 99% of proprietary software contains stolen gpl code |
| 05:55.35 | Guerin | i would take that bet, if it were provable |
| 05:55.57 | dalias | some more than others, yes, but i bet nearly all of it contains _some_ gpl code |
| 05:56.08 | dalias | because some coder was lazy and figured no one would ever notice |
| 05:56.15 | dalias | especially for small things |
| 05:56.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:56.24 | Guerin | i love coinspiracy theorists |
| 05:56.29 | dalias | hey |
| 05:56.30 | stiv2k_ | hey |
| 05:56.32 | stiv2k_ | um |
| 05:56.32 | Guerin | s/in/n/ |
| 05:56.39 | dalias | i'm on mplayer team, we see our code taken all the time |
| 05:56.42 | stiv2k_ | in twinview, how do i get my panel to only be on one screen? |
| 05:56.52 | Guerin | dalias: mplayer is a special case, though. |
| 05:56.53 | dalias | and our colleages' in other projects |
| 05:56.53 | stiv2k_ | cause right now it is only on one screen but its on the wrong one |
| 05:56.57 | stiv2k_ | =-o |
| 05:56.58 | Guerin | man, I love mplayer. |
| 05:57.07 | dalias | like xvid |
| 05:57.44 | dalias | someone a few years back copied the whole xvid into a proprietary product and claimed they wrote it |
| 05:58.00 | Guerin | stupid people are everywhere |
| 05:58.05 | dalias | not stupid kids on the InTaRwEb, that happens all the time |
| 05:58.06 | Bogus8 | how can I make the text out put of "make" dump into a text file? |
| 05:58.08 | dalias | a real company did it |
| 05:58.27 | Guerin | don't prova a conspiracy: remember Hanlon's Razor |
| 05:58.33 | dalias | another company copied mplayer |
| 05:58.42 | Guerin | \real companies are run by real stupid people |
| 05:58.45 | Guerin | i've worked for some |
| 05:58.52 | dalias | and forgot to remove the messages, so "strings their.bin" showed all the messages and copyright notices from mplayer :P |
| 05:59.00 | Guerin | Bogus8: make > file |
| 05:59.13 | Bogus8 | k, wasn't sure what would happen if I did that |
| 05:59.21 | Guerin | Bogus8: 2>&1> file will grab errors too |
| 05:59.30 | Guerin | err, no |
| 05:59.34 | Bogus8 | so the first line won't do that? |
| 05:59.34 | dalias | guerin, are you sure that's the right order? |
| 05:59.40 | dalias | the 2>&1 has to be AFTER the >file |
| 05:59.40 | Guerin | bah, i'm stupid |
| 05:59.42 | Guerin | yes |
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| 05:59.54 | Bogus8 | I would like everything to put it in a pastebin so someone might be able to see the problem |
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| 06:01.14 | dalias | ok time for me to reboot and test my upgrade to see if that wine issue was fixed... |
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| 06:01.24 | Sebboh | stiv2k_, I know how to do that. one sec. |
| 06:01.31 | jetscreamer | stiv2k_: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/100.14.11/README/chapter-13.html |
| 06:01.36 | dalias | (need to reboot because libc and lots of libs were upgraded, and if i don't, there'll be 2 copies in memory and horrible swapping :( ) |
| 06:01.47 | jetscreamer | stiv2k_: http://linux.hfds.com/files/xorg.conf.debian |
| 06:02.33 | Sebboh | stiv2k_, right click the panel, or taskbar. Then on the arangement section.. See where it says xinerama screen. You can select which screen the panel will appear on. |
| 06:03.08 | Sebboh | jetscreamer, did I misunderstand his/her question? :) |
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| 06:04.05 | jetscreamer | he wants to switch his monitors |
| 06:04.10 | Sebboh | btw, on the subject of the hordes accepting closed hardware.. Look at iphone. :P "the SDK is AJAX".. whatever that means. |
| 06:04.25 | Guerin | Sebboh: right. |
| 06:04.27 | jetscreamer | if your way works, mine does too, so that's 2 diff methods |
| 06:04.50 | jetscreamer | clone, leftof, rightof |
| 06:05.03 | jetscreamer | connectedmonitor blahblah |
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| 06:05.52 | Sebboh | Jet, well, .. no, our methods are different. He would have to switch the physical placement of his monitors .. and the leftof/rightof.. In order to get the mouse jump and the panel to match. ;) |
| 06:06.14 | dalias | sebboh, lol |
| 06:06.23 | dalias | iphone is crap |
| 06:06.32 | Sebboh | omfg goodnight. :P |
| 06:06.38 | dalias | for plenty of reasons other than lack of skd |
| 06:06.40 | dalias | sdk |
| 06:06.53 | Sebboh | And lots of people buy it.. my point, you see. |
| 06:07.13 | dalias | and they're not going to modify software anyway |
| 06:07.26 | jetscreamer | you can control all that with twinview settings |
| 06:07.29 | dalias | anyone who wants to modify software and use free software wouldn't buy such crap |
| 06:07.43 | dalias | but i was thinking more of the battery situation |
| 06:07.44 | Sebboh | *shrug* I'm a nokia 800 man, myself. Completely open. ..Doesn't have the multitouch screen, but I'm sure that the next version will. ..It would have to. :P |
| 06:07.47 | dalias | such idiotic design |
| 06:08.12 | dalias | any device with intentionally-non-user-replacable parts of short lifespan is crap |
| 06:08.20 | dalias | especially cars like that |
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| 06:08.37 | dalias | stuff you have to get routine service done on, and which you have to take to the dealer to get serviced |
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| 06:08.46 | possie | hi |
| 06:08.53 | Sebboh | jetscreamer, the panel is placed on one monitor, the other, or both, by KDE. It's a runtime config option. |
| 06:09.04 | possie | which kernel version supports ext3 online resizing (while fs is mounted) |
| 06:09.05 | popt | I 'm building a package, it shows: checking for OpenSSL directory... configure: error: Could not find a linkable OpenSSL. You can specify an explicit path using --with-ssl-dir |
| 06:09.20 | popt | but Ive already get opessl insgtalled |
| 06:09.21 | dalias | popt, do you have openssl devel package installed? |
| 06:09.22 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.23 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.25 | possie | i thought it was since 2.6.13 |
| 06:09.28 | dalias | DEVELOPMENT package |
| 06:09.35 | popt | openssl dev? |
| 06:10.49 | dalias | hey |
| 06:10.56 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 06:10.59 | dalias | whats the way to stop xdm from running other than uninstalling it? |
| 06:11.02 | Sebboh | dalias, you're kinda bitter and weird. Let's be pragmatic here.. the iphone will be upgraded/replaced long before that battery goes out. Apple will put recycling bins in the Apple stores and ofter trade in rebates, no doubt. The physical integrity of the case would be compromised by a battery cover--just like my cell phone which I hate. |
| 06:11.10 | jetscreamer | chmod -x /etc/init.d/xdm |
| 06:11.27 | jetscreamer | or edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 06:11.37 | indraveni | hi |
| 06:11.43 | dalias | sebboh, well, perhaps. because apple fanboys are the kinda ppl with way too much money who buy new phones every year... |
| 06:12.10 | indraveni | in one of my system, when I click on File -> print in mozilla-firefox, the system hangs |
| 06:12.14 | indraveni | why is it happening |
| 06:12.14 | popt | opensel-dev? |
| 06:12.18 | popt | no such pacjage |
| 06:12.21 | popt | package |
| 06:12.23 | indraveni | or how can i analyse the problem? |
| 06:12.25 | jetscreamer | openssl ? |
| 06:12.31 | dalias | i've had my phone 2.5 years now and the battery is rather weak. |
| 06:12.39 | popt | or libcurl3-openssl-dev <-- is this one I should install? |
| 06:12.48 | dalias | and i don't intend to replace the phone anytime soon but i might replace the batt |
| 06:12.49 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 06:13.08 | popt | jetscreamer, I 'm building a package, it shows: checking for OpenSSL directory... configure: error: Could not find a linkable OpenSSL. You can specify an explicit path using --with-ssl-dir |
| 06:13.29 | jetscreamer | i do not know |
| 06:13.35 | popt | am I missing...? |
| 06:13.42 | \amethyst | popt: libssl-dev |
| 06:13.45 | jetscreamer | i can rephrase if needed |
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| 06:13.48 | dalias | sebboh, "physical integrity of the case" is something metrosexual apple fanboi types care about |
| 06:13.50 | \amethyst | popt: what package are you installing? |
| 06:14.15 | popt | libssl-dev, try installing |
| 06:14.27 | dalias | ppl with a clue care more about practicality and responsible-to-the-user design |
| 06:14.34 | \amethyst | dalias: I mean, what package are you compiling? |
| 06:14.38 | Sebboh | .. Right. Hordes. Back to the gpl issue, hypervisors, and web services.. Although, I predict an outcome different from what both of you predict: less open source software in general. *shrug* Nine words the Eclectic Rede attest: Steal what works, fix what's broke, fake the rest. |
| 06:14.46 | dalias | \amethyst, not me |
| 06:14.51 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:14.59 | \amethyst | popt: what package are you compiling? |
| 06:15.13 | dalias | sebboh, why do you predict less? |
| 06:15.18 | popt | tor |
| 06:15.23 | dalias | almost all of the best software now is free software |
| 06:15.35 | jetscreamer | dude.... this is me! Nine words the Eclectic Rede attest: Steal what works, fix what's broke, fake the rest. |
| 06:15.36 | dalias | 5 years ago that was only true for server and 'behind the scenes' software |
| 06:15.46 | dalias | now it's true for the desktop software the user sees |
| 06:15.59 | dalias | inkscape is leagues better than adobe illustrator, etc. |
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| 06:16.45 | Sebboh | Dalias, pine used to piss me off. Then it was firefox. Now it's lame. This is the reason I still have a windows box under my desk. Get it right or don't, guys, I'm just a user. =) I'll use what works. |
| 06:16.48 | dalias | gimp is arguably better than photoshop, except you have all the silly photoshop fanbois who consider their knowledge of photoshop a huge asset and don't want to be displaced by gimp users :) |
| 06:16.57 | dalias | huh? |
| 06:16.59 | Sebboh | inkscape is NOT better than adobe, ffs. |
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| 06:17.05 | dalias | what do you use that works better than firefox? |
| 06:17.06 | Sebboh | Good lord I've used both. |
| 06:17.15 | popt | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 06:17.15 | popt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:17.21 | popt | what does this mean? |
| 06:17.28 | jetscreamer | fix the apt key |
| 06:17.30 | dalias | illustrator is unusable for non-european languages... |
| 06:17.31 | jetscreamer | what sourse |
| 06:17.36 | jetscreamer | source |
| 06:17.42 | Sebboh | dalias, I use firefox, it was missing from debian for a while, lame (mp3 encoder) still is. So is pine, afiak, although somebody wrote a package that will download it and build it for me. |
| 06:17.49 | jetscreamer | use an official source? |
| 06:17.54 | popt | is this a non-free package? |
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| 06:18.03 | klys | alpine |
| 06:18.05 | dalias | (and presumably lacks latin ligature support too, meaning it's sub-typographic quality, not suitable for professional use) |
| 06:18.35 | jetscreamer | funny i have lame |
| 06:18.37 | popt | yes, I use official source |
| 06:18.40 | jetscreamer | i'm lame |
| 06:18.49 | dalias | sebboh, oh, now i'm confused. i thought you were saying pine, ff, etc. suck |
| 06:18.56 | dalias | but you were complaining that debian didn't package them? |
| 06:19.25 | dalias | btw: pine does suck. bad. use mutt. |
| 06:19.33 | klys | not for imap |
| 06:19.50 | dalias | pine lacks any degree of utf-8 support and corrupts charsets in emails when replying and forwarding |
| 06:19.51 | klys | of course, good luck rewriting your username in smtp |
| 06:19.57 | Sebboh | Yes, I don't use debian because it's free as in speech, I use it beause it's free as in beer, and it rocks. I can make more money with debian under my desk (and free as in speech is good for my clients, too, I'll admit.) |
| 06:20.07 | dalias | klys, ? |
| 06:20.28 | klys | at least for me, pine obstructs my ability to use /etc/email-addresses |
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| 06:21.04 | dalias | as for firefox/iceweasel. yes it's a pain sometime, but much less so than msie |
| 06:21.07 | Sebboh | sure pine sucks, I liked it when I was in highschool. Whatever. =) |
| 06:21.18 | dalias | opera might be nicer at times, but being non-free will kill it |
| 06:21.36 | dalias | it will eventually become unmaintained when the company goes under, and then no more updates |
| 06:21.44 | dalias | so imo unless they free it, it's a dead-end |
| 06:22.11 | Sebboh | Dude I had to bring in an unofficial repos to convert from quicktime to flash video. ..Flash videos use mp3. |
| 06:22.13 | dalias | actually |
| 06:22.23 | dalias | if some big company wants to advance free software... |
| 06:22.29 | dalias | they should buy out opera and free it |
| 06:22.40 | dalias | (ibm or someone, for instance) |
| 06:22.45 | dalias | that would revolutionize things |
| 06:23.01 | dalias | and throw a big wrench in microsoft's and google's gears |
| 06:23.07 | Sebboh | Hah, speaking of big companies and free software, --and IBM, exactly. Wtf is up with IBM and eclipse? ..I have never seen that business model before.. |
| 06:23.18 | dalias | hm? |
| 06:23.28 | dalias | what is the business model? i don't know anything about eclipse |
| 06:23.36 | Sebboh | IBM's entire Rational product line is now eclipse based products!!! |
| 06:23.38 | dalias | except that it's some popular windows text-editor or something |
| 06:23.49 | Sebboh | I just--wtf dude. Text editor? |
| 06:23.54 | Sebboh | :) |
| 06:24.11 | dalias | is that a different eclipse? |
| 06:24.18 | Guerin | i don't understand why opera doesn't do that |
| 06:24.34 | Guerin | yes, yes, I know they license the embedded one |
| 06:25.00 | Guerin | dalias: it's a *java* text-editor. |
| 06:25.06 | dalias | ahh |
| 06:25.07 | Guerin | not a windows one, but almost as bad |
| 06:25.12 | dalias | java = windows |
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| 06:25.19 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 06:25.33 | dalias | ok, windows+macosx |
| 06:25.40 | dalias | +slowlaris :) |
| 06:25.50 | Guerin | man, just when I think i've heard the dumbest-arsed thing anyone can say, he comes out with something new |
| 06:26.05 | Guerin | plus every other OS anyone's bothered implementing it for |
| 06:26.06 | dalias | java is not portable until there's a working free implementation |
| 06:26.06 | Sebboh | IBM's rational product line is a hundreds of millions dollar a year business, and it's all eclipse based now. AND, 50% of the real guts of it are open source. the whole EMF thing? ..Nobody uses that. Except IBM. And IBM empoyees made it, on the clock, afaik.. I just don't know.. why... ?? |
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| 06:26.45 | dalias | and even then, i would not call java portable |
| 06:26.50 | Guerin | dalias: the spec is free. The sun implementation was freed (is being freed) because it *was* being reimplemented. |
| 06:26.58 | dalias | rather it's its own platform that runs in an emulator on top of other platforms |
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| 06:27.11 | dalias | guerin, it hasn't been freed yet... |
| 06:27.18 | dalias | major parts are missing |
| 06:27.20 | Guerin | dalias: hence the parenthetical statement |
| 06:27.27 | dalias | sun just did that to slow down reimplementors |
| 06:27.29 | Guerin | although some argue that sun have freed all they legally can |
| 06:27.35 | dalias | tricking them that the sun version would be freed soon |
| 06:27.37 | Sebboh | OMFG Dude, once again, use what works. I can use java on my frickin' 2002 model cell phone. And I can code for it in Eclipse, I can model for it in Rational (which is also eclipse).. I just don't know how IBM or Sun profit from that at all. ;) |
| 06:27.41 | Guerin | i'm not 100% familiar with the case |
| 06:27.41 | dalias | to get them to give up coding reimplementations |
| 06:27.47 | stiv2k_ | gah |
| 06:27.47 | stiv2k_ | ffs |
| 06:27.59 | stiv2k_ | how do i get the 2nd display to stop turning off whenever i close the lid of the laptop |
| 06:28.03 | Guerin | Sebboh: mindshare is profit. |
| 06:28.21 | dalias | sebboh, what do you mean by "use what works" ? |
| 06:28.22 | Guerin | Sebboh: disable the trip switch on the bezel |
| 06:28.28 | dalias | i use emacs because it's what works |
| 06:28.37 | dalias | it's built on a much better language than java |
| 06:28.39 | qmr | dalias: I'm sorry. :( |
| 06:28.56 | Sebboh | dalias, and I use Sun Java(tm) because I lose money every second I waste trying to figure out what the hell gjc is. |
| 06:29.03 | dalias | :P |
| 06:29.12 | dalias | well yes. i just don't touch java tho |
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| 06:29.52 | marckie | hi all. I forgot how to do this: forward a remote website (port 80) to a local port through ssh. can anyone please remind me? thanks |
| 06:29.58 | Sebboh | dalias, dude.. you just compared emacs (or.. C? or.. the underlying scripting language within emacs?) to java. wtf. None of those comparisons work. Which did you mean? :P |
| 06:30.10 | qmr | marckie: google ssh tunnel. might use putty |
| 06:30.11 | stiv2k_ | Sebboh: would you know |
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| 06:31.05 | Sebboh | stiv, uh, two options. three options. Bios. Third party tool to configure the laptop. Third party tool to configure the video card. Four options. Disable the switch physically. Now, |
| 06:31.27 | Sebboh | when I refer to third party tool to configure the laptop, basically I'm saying, is it a ThinkPad? ;) |
| 06:32.01 | Sebboh | 'Cause they got mad linux utilities. They got one that gives you access to the accelerometer as a character device. |
| 06:32.03 | dalias | sebboh, emacs is written (mostly) in lisp and tightly integrated with lisp |
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| 06:32.30 | Sebboh | I fail to believe that emacs is written in lisp because I don't have to install a lisp interpreter to build emacs afaik. |
| 06:33.09 | stiv2k_ | Sebboh: HP |
| 06:33.10 | Sebboh | I read the other day that they used to market 'lisp machines'.. dedicated hardware. |
| 06:33.25 | valdyn | Sebboh: emacs is a lisp interpreter (too) |
| 06:33.26 | Sebboh | stiv, the 3 (4) options remain. |
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| 06:34.09 | Sebboh | valdyn, of dubious strict.. strict-ness. What's that word? |
| 06:34.33 | jetscreamer | structure? |
| 06:34.39 | jetscreamer | stricture? |
| 06:34.44 | jetscreamer | scripture? |
| 06:34.49 | dalias | sebboh, emacs _is_ a lisp interpreter (that's the C part) plus a lot of lisp programs which make up the actual editing |
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| 06:35.48 | dalias | the basic buffer management, screen management, etc. is written in C, but all the manipulations of the basic structures and data are written in lisp |
| 06:36.56 | stiv2k_ | Sebboh: any suggestions as to the 3rd party tool? |
| 06:37.10 | Sebboh | My understanding of why I never picked up emacs has been greatly enhanced. |
| 06:37.30 | Sebboh | stiv, nfi. HP? Don't have one. Nvidia? Came with the computer. |
| 06:37.45 | Sebboh | Google? hp laptop unix utilies |
| 06:37.53 | Sebboh | but with an extra t. |
| 06:37.59 | stiv2k_ | what about a tool for nvidia cards |
| 06:38.06 | valdyn | stiv2k_: is that acpi controlled? 'tail -f /var/log/acpid' and close/open the lid. |
| 06:38.10 | jetscreamer | linux.hp.com |
| 06:38.10 | dalias | sebboh, :P |
| 06:38.24 | Sebboh | ;) |
| 06:38.48 | dalias | actually i was pissed with the 'lisp bloat' for a long time, and even considering writing a minimal emacs work-alike in just C (without all the advanced features and customizability of course) |
| 06:39.04 | dalias | but over the past year i discovered just how great the customizability can be |
| 06:39.08 | Sebboh | I did get scheme48 for fun the other day.. I got as far as linking one .. thing? Object? to another and quit. |
| 06:39.16 | stiv2k_ | valdyn: appears to be |
| 06:39.17 | dalias | lots of troubles i ran into were solved by just one line of lisp |
| 06:39.45 | valdyn | stiv2k_: scripts are in /etc/acpi/ |
| 06:40.34 | Sebboh | dalias, thats how I was when I discovered regex. ..Just this week I saw some builtins in python that make me moist on a deep personal level. ..I'll have to see how fast they are, but, looks good so far. Yes, I bet that lisp could do it better, but, I don't know lisp. Or, you know, math. |
| 06:40.58 | Sebboh | valdyn, good work! :) |
| 06:41.26 | Sebboh | that must be what islaptop does. Does debian have islaptop or is that just ubuntu? |
| 06:42.12 | Sebboh | yikes I've IRC'd late into the night again. Goodnight all. Sorry for the inane off topic chatter. |
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| 06:42.34 | dalias | :) |
| 06:42.45 | Sebboh | (dalias is too.) |
| 06:42.50 | RainbowW | how may i determine the maximum number of files my system may have open at once? |
| 06:43.28 | Sebboh | rainboww, hmm, well, there's gonna be a fork() involved, I'll tell you that much. ;) |
| 06:44.30 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 06:47.43 | dalias | sebboh, haha :) |
| 06:47.56 | stiv2k_ | valdyn: the weird thing is, the power manager applet is set to not do anything when the lid is closed |
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| 06:48.00 | stiv2k_ | but it still blacks the screen |
| 06:48.41 | liable | might be a built in screen switch |
| 06:48.51 | stiv2k_ | hm |
| 06:48.56 | stiv2k_ | ghey |
| 06:49.15 | stiv2k_ | the reason i am asking is cause when i wanna watch a movie, i want to close the laptop screen and watch it on the other screen |
| 06:49.21 | stiv2k_ | isntead of having 2 of the same thing on both screens |
| 06:49.27 | stiv2k_ | its kinda distracting |
| 06:49.39 | liable | stereo movie! |
| 06:49.44 | stiv2k_ | lol |
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| 06:58.23 | caotic | i know debian is all about free souce, but is there a repository where i can find a flash player ? |
| 06:58.39 | caotic | err: free software/ open sorece my bad |
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| 06:59.40 | caotic | nevermind open source ... |
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| 07:02.30 | liable | !flash |
| 07:02.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 07:09.06 | caotic | thancks dpkg |
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| 07:13.47 | jan__ | Could someone suggest me a good control panel for lenny, I need them for my clients (GUI). |
| 07:14.29 | dalias | um, what kinda control panel? |
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| 07:15.47 | jan__ | control panel GUI to modify bind zones and probably apache |
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| 07:27.40 | Sebboh | stiv2k_, I got it. Disable DPMS for the second monitor. |
| 07:27.43 | Sebboh | =) |
| 07:28.07 | Sebboh | Won't help if the vid card stops sending the image, though. |
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| 07:38.15 | jan__ | Could someone suggest me a good control panel for lenny that looks about BIND/Apache, I need them for my clients (GUI). |
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| 07:58.22 | Bracki | how do i get colors in a terminal? |
| 07:58.35 | Teejay__ | Hi, I've just installed transmission an bittorrent program and it does not show in my menus |
| 07:58.42 | Bracki | do i need to install any particular packages for that to work? |
| 07:59.17 | dimir | Bracki: Like this: $ echo -e "\\033[0;32mfoo\\033[0m" |
| 08:00.00 | slapfaceware | how do i edit a user's group so he can su to root |
| 08:00.04 | JJ|Laptop | Teejay__: debian is the OS not the software, you should ask the organizaiton that made the software. |
| 08:00.12 | slapfaceware | plz |
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| 08:00.26 | JJ|Laptop | and btw, where did you find such an obscure client? |
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| 08:01.41 | dimir | slapfaceware: you need to configure /etc/pam.d/su |
| 08:01.58 | slapfaceware | for what |
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| 08:02.04 | phooka | add him to group wheel |
| 08:02.12 | phooka | wheel = su user group |
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| 08:02.19 | slapfaceware | can i use a command to do it |
| 08:02.24 | slapfaceware | usermod i guess |
| 08:02.32 | phooka | prolly idk |
| 08:02.47 | slapfaceware | it's bad idea to manually edit those files |
| 08:02.53 | slapfaceware | don't tell ppl that |
| 08:02.53 | dimir | :-D |
| 08:02.55 | phooka | i always do it in adduser |
| 08:03.15 | dimir | slapfaceware: there is no tool to edit PAM modules configuration files. |
| 08:03.36 | slapfaceware | why do i need to edit PAM module configuration file |
| 08:03.42 | slapfaceware | isn't PAM for authentication |
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| 08:03.53 | slapfaceware | what modules is in PAM |
| 08:04.00 | dimir | su is one of them |
| 08:04.06 | phooka | Does debian get name servers from the dhcp on your modem? if so is there a way to STOP this |
| 08:04.24 | dimir | su is most probably controlled by PAM, unless you have not standart system configuration. |
| 08:04.31 | phooka | i dont wanna use my isp's crappy nameservers |
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| 08:05.37 | cydork | sep: ping |
| 08:05.38 | Coke | Hello. I'm currently using Psi for my Jabber communication, including some AOL and MSN transports (sigh!), but there's a MAJOR bug in Psi; there's no way to ignore incoming subscription requests which is plenty anoying when spam bots go rampaging. I get several requests from the same sender per day. Now, the question is; is there a better jabber client? |
| 08:05.53 | dimir | if you know which group is allowed to 'su' (probably 'root') then you can use usermod to modify a user account to belong to this group. Otherwise you can configure PAM's su to allow other groups to use 'su'. |
| 08:06.31 | slapfaceware | UNKNWON GROUP WHEELS |
| 08:06.34 | phooka | slapfaceware: just add the user to group wheel, thats the su group for every nix distro |
| 08:06.37 | phooka | no s |
| 08:06.40 | phooka | just 'wheel' |
| 08:06.45 | slapfaceware | unknown group wheel |
| 08:06.47 | dimir | coke: how about pidgin? It supports them all and is very nice. One problem, it's GTK based. :-D |
| 08:06.52 | slapfaceware | why would su become a module? |
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| 08:06.57 | dimir | slapfaceware: wheel is on BSD. |
| 08:07.02 | phooka | slapfaceware: thats odd, you must have modified your user groups |
| 08:07.10 | phooka | dimir: no its not |
| 08:07.13 | slapfaceware | new installation.. |
| 08:07.26 | dimir | phooka: there is no wheel group in Debian. |
| 08:07.34 | phooka | dimir: i added my normal user to group wheel in debian, and i have no problems with su |
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| 08:07.49 | slapfaceware | why is su a module? is it a "su" module? |
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| 08:08.09 | phooka | done that in both slackware, gentoo and debian |
| 08:08.11 | Coke | dimir: I'd prefer a text-based, but that ain't gonna happen. :) |
| 08:09.17 | phooka | slapfaceware: try groupadd wheel |
| 08:09.17 | SpeedyG | I can su by default.. no need for agroup called wheel |
| 08:09.25 | phooka | slapfaceware: then try it, i bet it works :P |
| 08:09.36 | dimir | grep 'member of group root' /etc/pam.d/su -A7 |
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| 08:10.11 | phooka | slapfaceware: try my way first, i bet it works :) |
| 08:10.46 | SpeedyG | slapfaceware: usually, you can su by default |
| 08:10.50 | slapfaceware | useradd -g users -m newuser |
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| 08:11.01 | slapfaceware | that's how i add user |
| 08:11.03 | SpeedyG | it's sudo that needs modification if you want to use |
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| 08:11.21 | dimir | SpeedyG: he wasn't talking about 'sudo'. |
| 08:11.32 | SpeedyG | dimir: I know, but su works by default |
| 08:11.42 | SpeedyG | no need for additional groups in debian |
| 08:11.45 | phooka | I've never had a problem adding a user to grup wheel, and ive used many Linux distros |
| 08:12.04 | phooka | SpeedyG: did ut name sued to be speedygigz ? |
| 08:12.11 | phooka | s/sued/used/ |
| 08:12.17 | slapfaceware | ok i got it |
| 08:12.22 | slapfaceware | this is not right |
| 08:12.29 | phooka | slapfaceware: which way worked? |
| 08:12.32 | slapfaceware | user are not supposed to be default to su |
| 08:12.42 | phooka | they arent. |
| 08:12.52 | slapfaceware | nono, it was enabled by default, i need not add them to wheel |
| 08:12.57 | dimir | Unless the only user on the system is you. :-P |
| 08:12.57 | SpeedyG | phooka: nope |
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| 08:13.21 | slapfaceware | in bsd, if i want to let user to use su, i have to add user to primary group user first, then secondary groups wheel, otherwise user won't be able to su |
| 08:13.39 | SpeedyG | slapfaceware: this isnt bsd :) |
| 08:13.43 | phooka | when i first installed debian i didnt add any users, and i forgot to add myself to user group wheel, and it didnt not let me use su, so i know thats a bs |
| 08:13.47 | SpeedyG | anyway, time for coffee.. bbl |
| 08:13.50 | slapfaceware | im not talking about bsd or linux |
| 08:14.04 | slapfaceware | it's the way it's handled in debian |
| 08:14.06 | slapfaceware | is wrong |
| 08:14.15 | phooka | debian is linux |
| 08:14.16 | simmerz|work | does anyone know of an installer/livecd with both evms AND debootstrap on it? I want to install debian onto an existing evms volume set, but there doesn't appear to be an evms-udeb available. And I'm not getting much help from #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 08:14.24 | slapfaceware | but linux is not debian |
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| 08:14.40 | phooka | slapfaceware: you're high |
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| 08:15.35 | dimir | The problem is clearly PEBKAC |
| 08:15.42 | xinming | !java |
| 08:15.43 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 08:15.56 | xinming | an example of using this bot please? |
| 08:16.17 | dimir | !nickometer xinming |
| 08:16.19 | dpkg | 'xinming' is 0.000% lame, dimir |
| 08:16.22 | dimir | \o/ |
| 08:16.42 | geo-rge | xinming: fire up a eggdrop bot and write some tcl :) |
| 08:17.03 | xinming | dimir: what does dimir mean? *_* |
| 08:17.12 | dimir | I thought dpkg was blootbot. |
| 08:17.33 | geo-rge | wait I think you're right |
| 08:17.45 | dimir | ;) |
| 08:17.47 | geo-rge | which is a fork of infobot |
| 08:17.53 | dimir | something like that ye. |
| 08:18.18 | dimir | $ apt-cache show blootbot | grep ^Desc |
| 08:18.19 | dimir | Description: a severely modified infobot for IRC |
| 08:18.38 | et | !nickometer geo-rge |
| 08:18.40 | dpkg | 'geo-rge' is 14.000% lame, et |
| 08:19.26 | geo-rge | that's too low! where's the other 86%?! |
| 08:19.42 | phooka | iuf i install blootbot will i have my own dpkg by default? :o |
| 08:20.01 | et | /nick g30-Rg3 and you'll see |
| 08:20.06 | dimir | LOL ye |
| 08:20.38 | geo-rge | !nickometer g30-Rg3 |
| 08:20.40 | dpkg | 'g30-Rg3' is 64.000% lame, geo-rge |
| 08:20.49 | geo-rge | weak :P |
| 08:20.52 | phooka | !nickometer phooka |
| 08:20.53 | dpkg | 'phooka' is 0.000% lame, phooka |
| 08:21.02 | phooka | l33t |
| 08:21.18 | phooka | 0% i win |
| 08:21.21 | et | children, look away |
| 08:21.22 | et | !nickometer fuck |
| 08:21.23 | dpkg | 'fuck' is 62.000% lame, et |
| 08:21.46 | simonrvn | !blootbot |
| 08:21.46 | dpkg | [blootbot] a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
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| 08:22.07 | geo-rge | nickometer p33-4ych-0ooO-ooo0-k4y-35555 |
| 08:22.19 | geo-rge | oops forgot |
| 08:22.24 | geo-rge | !nickometer p33-4ych-0ooO-ooo0-k4y-35555 |
| 08:22.25 | dpkg | 'p33-4ych-0ooO-ooo0-k4y-35555' is 99.890% lame, geo-rge |
| 08:22.39 | geo-rge | now THAT is what I call lame! |
| 08:22.40 | phooka | !tell phooka nvidia |
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| 08:23.07 | geo-rge | or if you want, /msg dpkg nvidia |
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| 08:25.16 | Bracki | dimir: well yeah, i'm talking dircolors and stuff shouldnt that be enabled by default? |
| 08:26.12 | dimir | Bracki: sure. For dircolors you might want to: eval $(dircolors) |
| 08:27.00 | dimir | But I don't know if an terminal emulator that has colors disabled by default. |
| 08:28.07 | geo-rge | will you have a copy of dpkg if you install blootbot... there's a lot of customization in dpkg, so I don't think so... also of course you start with an empty database |
| 08:28.15 | Bracki | i'm using putty but i've never had those problems before... |
| 08:28.29 | Bracki | that's why i thought etch needs an extra package.. |
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| 08:29.01 | geo-rge | it's all about which terminal putty tells the linux it is |
| 08:29.10 | geo-rge | and how good putty emulates that terminal |
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| 08:30.21 | dimir | Bracki: how did you conclude that you don't have colors enabled in your terminal emulator? |
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| 08:30.52 | dimir | Did you try that 'echo' command? Did you get output in green? |
| 08:31.19 | geo-rge | be in a dir where there are executables and dirs... then try ls --color=yes |
| 08:31.41 | geo-rge | also echo $TERM |
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| 08:35.22 | geo-rge | Bracki: you're telling us your problems... but then you don't respond when people ask you more specific questions about your situation |
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| 08:37.57 | dimir | The appreciation you get for helping others... |
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| 08:39.50 | geo-rge | makes you want to get paid for it |
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| 08:50.43 | hochimoo | has anyone get any guidance on tweaking spamassassin? |
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| 08:51.24 | fireba11 | hochimoo: their wiki got quite a few options |
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| 08:51.36 | nico8481 | hi |
| 08:51.44 | slapfaceware | how do i install a simple ftp server |
| 08:51.46 | DawnLight | i want to link to debian in my site. any official buttons/banners? |
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| 08:51.58 | cast | slapfaceware: aptitude install vsftpd |
| 08:52.16 | slapfaceware | i want that ftp server used in inetd.conf |
| 08:52.20 | slapfaceware | simple ftpd |
| 08:52.23 | cast | DawnLight: sure are, go look on debian.org...theres a site/section about it |
| 08:52.54 | dimir | vsftpd has that option |
| 08:52.54 | cast | slapfaceware: vsftpd can't work through inetd? |
| 08:53.10 | slapfaceware | isn't there a default ftpd? |
| 08:53.22 | cast | slapfaceware: no. |
| 08:53.38 | slapfaceware | a ftpd that comes with system |
| 08:53.39 | nico8481 | for some reason NetworkManager Applet and Banshee complain respectively of not finding a network device, and not finding an available internet connection, though i have one that works (i can browse the web etc.) ... any idea? |
| 08:53.47 | cast | slapfaceware: no. |
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| 08:54.15 | dimir | $ grep 'standalone?' /etc/vsftpd.conf -A1 |
| 08:54.15 | dimir | # Run standalone? vsftpd can run either from an inetd or as a standalone |
| 08:54.15 | dimir | # daemon started from an initscript. |
| 08:55.06 | DawnLight | cast: tell dpkg about this http://www.linuks.mine.nu/volkany/ |
| 08:55.16 | DawnLight | and thanks! |
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| 09:01.14 | SeNsEi_SaMe | hi to all |
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| 09:07.40 | marc7 | can somebody tell me if wednesday morning is some random time where the debian mirrors decide to take a dirt nap? |
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| 09:09.55 | marc7 | i know they update at 9AM UTC every morning... which was about 9 minutes ago... but I've been sitting here pulling my hair out for longer than that. |
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| 09:10.59 | sam__ | update-grub is failing to properly detect all installed kernels, can anyone help?? |
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| 09:14.14 | PiousMinion | Anyone know why the fortune files that contain the fortunes themselves look scrambled when viewed in a regualr editor? |
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| 09:15.45 | geo-rge | PiousMinion: the fyle iss in a different fomat |
| 09:15.54 | family | i have a question http://www.pastebin.ca/693493 7 lines of code question at bottom |
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| 09:18.34 | PiousMinion | geo-rge: So some of the files are readable and others are in a different format..... and the fortune program automaticly detects this? |
| 09:18.35 | geo-rge | family: sure, why not? |
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| 09:19.06 | geo-rge | PiousMinion: check the source code of the fortune program for that info |
| 09:19.10 | Pepper | Is there a coordinated efford to make debian use less power/report bugs against high power consumption? (Intel powertop) |
| 09:19.46 | PiousMinion | geo-rge: You've been extremeley helpful. |
| 09:20.14 | geo-rge | of course I have... I gave you the key to find out for yourself |
| 09:20.47 | geo-rge | or maybe not... perhaps you've had that key all along |
| 09:21.02 | family | thank you george |
| 09:21.13 | PiousMinion | I was wondering when you were going to notice my skepticism of your initial response. |
| 09:21.40 | Jonah | hi can anyone help me out, i've had to move my other computer and ethernet wont reach so bought a "linux friendly" network card, i've put it in the machine but i don't know how to get it working and the instructions and linux driver disc that came with it doesn't explain it well at all |
| 09:21.40 | family | im making my own hdinstall script well editing one from 2004 lol |
| 09:21.46 | Jonah | can anyone please help guide me |
| 09:21.59 | family | doesnt look to linux friendly to me |
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| 09:22.31 | Jonah | family, haha no! but it says it is on box and has a linux driver cd also, but it doesnt really tell you what to do with it |
| 09:22.52 | geo-rge | Jonah: just getting a wireless card isn't going to help unless you also have a wireless access point |
| 09:23.19 | Jonah | geo-rge, oh i do sorry, i have the access point talking to you on it now from my other computer |
| 09:23.36 | p0g0 | Jonah: you might try #wireless to help too |
| 09:23.50 | p0g0 | s/to/for |
| 09:23.54 | Pepper | Jonah: did you google? |
| 09:23.56 | geo-rge | PiousMinion: I see. so I'm supposed to know every line of code in debian and the kernel. |
| 09:23.57 | liable | telling us what lspci says about it would be a good start |
| 09:24.00 | geo-rge | do me a favor... |
| 09:24.03 | geo-rge | bite me |
| 09:24.15 | liable | !bite geo-rge |
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| 09:25.13 | tt1 | hi * |
| 09:25.35 | tt1 | I have a problem with build scim-bridge |
| 09:25.44 | Jonah | Pepper, yeah tried but it's all a bit crazy |
| 09:25.58 | tt1 | and qt moc seems to have 2 versions |
| 09:26.21 | PiousMinion | geo-rge: Not at all, but "speculating" that the files are in a different format and that I should go hunt source code isn't really helpful. |
| 09:27.10 | geo-rge | so I'm supposed to do it |
| 09:27.16 | geo-rge | again, I see. |
| 09:28.08 | PiousMinion | What? Speculate? No, I was suggesting that you don't do that. |
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| 09:29.30 | geo-rge | nono, you're suggesting that I have to know how everything works, including the stupidest, most idioc and useless packages around, and then I'm supposed to suffer your abuse when I tell you to fuck off? |
| 09:29.37 | jan__ | At the time when I browse to the .php file the browser asak me if I want to download a PHTML file...? |
| 09:29.48 | jan__ | I have libapache2-mod-php4 installed |
| 09:30.06 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 09:30.06 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. |
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| 09:30.41 | Pepper | Is there a coordinated efford to make debian use less power/report bugs against high power consumption? (Intel powertop) |
| 09:31.08 | Pepper | Jonah: is your card detected by the kernel? |
| 09:31.27 | Pepper | Jonah: "dmesg | more" should help here |
| 09:31.34 | jan__ | liable: phew, thanks! |
| 09:31.47 | liable | yw |
| 09:32.06 | geo-rge | PiousMinion: read the fucking source, or don't read the fucking source. I don't care if you choose to learn something on your own or not... but don't ever bother me about it. |
| 09:32.15 | PiousMinion | geo-rge: You didn't tell me to fuck off. You claimed something which you didn't know the true answer to, then attempted as sending me on a wild goose change. That's wrong on all accounts. |
| 09:32.32 | geo-rge | PiousMinionL oh, my mistake. fuck off. |
| 09:32.43 | PiousMinion | geo-rge: As long as we're clear. lol |
| 09:33.23 | cast | rtfs seems a fair answer, fortune seems a pretty simple program |
| 09:33.35 | cast | but anyway, i have to find my usb drive and get lost |
| 09:33.41 | Jonah | Pepper, yeah when i put lspci it's there as a ralink rt2561/rt61 802.11g |
| 09:33.57 | liable | !ralink |
| 09:33.57 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (For list of products: http://ralink.rapla.net/ ). Ralink are notable for releasing software interface specs and (more or less buggy) GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for rt2400 and rt2500. The Ralink driver project at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com is developing a very expected rt2x00 driver. |
| 09:34.02 | Ronin | it sunday all ready? |
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| 09:34.21 | geo-rge | evidently... |
| 09:34.37 | liable | Jonah: go to the sourceforge site and follow the directions from there |
| 09:34.42 | streuner | !listkeys permanent |
| 09:34.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'permanent' by key returned no results. |
| 09:34.45 | liable | er |
| 09:34.53 | liable | serialmonkey |
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| 09:41.58 | A3ria | Hi |
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| 09:46.04 | sam__ | I am still unable to boot my correct kernel, if i edit menu.lst by hand changes still do not appear. I don't suppose anyone feels inclined to help please? |
| 09:46.07 | mephisto | why doesn't the ftp forwarding to the internal computer running on 10.0.1.50 work? .... http://rafb.net/p/EyXHY415.html |
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| 09:46.36 | lexoplex | After an upgrade from Sarge to Etch, there are no more /dev/mixer and /dev/dsp devices. How do I get them back? Kernel is 2.6.18, udev is installed... |
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| 09:46.58 | liable | modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 09:48.03 | lexoplex | liable: Thanks. |
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| 09:48.51 | liable | no worries |
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| 09:52.20 | techbee | sam__: can you paste the menu.lst , use paster |
| 09:53.07 | A3ria | Where is the config file that contols which diplay manager is used (in 4.0r1) |
| 09:54.35 | sam__ | http://pastebin.ca/693541 |
| 09:55.08 | liable | A3ria: /etc/X11/defult-display-manager |
| 09:55.48 | A3ria | ahhh |
| 09:55.58 | A3ria | well that certainly makes sense |
| 09:56.08 | Raging_Hog | my kde kicker hangs while I try to configure panel, could I be missing a package or a dozen? |
| 09:56.28 | liable | sam__: you cant boot any of them? |
| 09:56.32 | sam__ | techbee, I have to go for a few minutes i will be back shortly.. |
| 09:56.47 | cast | does ~/.xinitrc affect gdm at all? |
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| 09:57.08 | liable | gdm gets started before any logins |
| 09:57.37 | A3ria | can someone define a package for me? If i apt-get remove a pacakge is it completely gone or may there still be bits left ala windows? |
| 09:57.45 | cast | certainly, but when picking what to start once a user has been authenticated |
| 09:57.46 | sam__ | i can boot the 686 kernerl on etch or the 486 kernel on sid, i cannot boot the 686 (installed) kernel on sid as no menu item appears for it |
| 09:58.19 | sam__ | i have 2 / patitions one sid one etch |
| 09:58.28 | cast | A3ria: use purge, and then maybe all the conf files are gone too. any data files its created, say if its mysql the db, probably still remain though |
| 09:58.37 | geo-rge | A3ria: first, can we not compare to windows? second, the configuration files will remain |
| 09:58.48 | sam__ | liable I have to go back soon |
| 09:58.50 | liable | sam__: so check the menu.list in the sid partition |
| 09:59.19 | A3ria | well I'm just coming to debian from windows so it's a relevent comparison |
| 09:59.36 | geo-rge | about your first question, how do you mean "define a package" for you? |
| 10:00.16 | A3ria | well is a package an archive of files that get installed by apt-get? |
| 10:00.16 | geo-rge | it may or may not be relevent for you... but not for the 800 other people here :) |
| 10:00.27 | geo-rge | partially. |
| 10:00.50 | geo-rge | originally, debian took parts of what you see today from slackware |
| 10:01.03 | liable | A3ria: essentially, yes |
| 10:01.33 | geo-rge | which had archives (like zip) and scripts that would run per request, before and after |
| 10:01.43 | vlt | [dumb question of the day]: Is it possible to use ssh-agent (or similar) for passwd based ssh logins? |
| 10:02.19 | A3ria | i see |
| 10:02.25 | geo-rge | I don't believe so |
| 10:02.44 | Shadur | No. |
| 10:02.51 | geo-rge | I think you have to have a key pair to be able to add keys to an ssh-agent |
| 10:02.56 | cast | vlt: now there is a program for such things...but i've forgotten the name |
| 10:03.03 | Shadur | ssh-agent retains keys, not passwords. |
| 10:03.28 | Shadur | A better question would be "why are you still using a password with SSH rather than a key?" |
| 10:04.01 | A3ria | why do i get acess denied when i try to add images to usr/share/images/desktop-base/ ? |
| 10:05.07 | geo-rge | (1) that area is owned by root and not writable by plain users, and (2) such areas are under the control of debian packaging |
| 10:05.23 | vlt | Shadur: I know, but it's a guest account for an svn+ssh:// access (anf it's quite annoying typing the ssh passwd several times for a single `svn st -u` ;-) |
| 10:05.33 | A3ria | right |
| 10:05.43 | geo-rge | it's not really a good idea to alter these areas, because the packaging system is expecting certain files to be there |
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| 10:06.18 | geo-rge | but there might be a way to add them to a dir that is under your control |
| 10:06.22 | A3ria | so where should i place images so i can choose them as desktop (im using KDE btw) |
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| 10:07.13 | Shadur | A3ria: Almost anywhere; it's just a matter of telling kdesktopmanager (or whatever it's called) where to look for them. |
| 10:07.42 | geo-rge | I'm getting a weird problem... |
| 10:07.44 | Shadur | ~tell Farhadix about root |
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| 10:08.27 | geo-rge | every time, in any application, I try to open a file (and therefore open a file chooser dialog), the app just sits there and doesn't work anymore |
| 10:09.02 | geo-rge | this is debian etch with things like mplayer from marillat |
| 10:10.13 | vlt | Can anyone explain the difference between "keychain" and "ssh-agent"? |
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| 10:12.10 | geo-rge | a keychain is a file that holds keys,,, an ssh-agent is a program that spawns another program (such as a shell) and can store keys to be used by the spawned process |
| 10:13.20 | geo-rge | when you invoke the command ssh-add, it will check first to see if the parent process is an ssh-agent |
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| 10:14.04 | geo-rge | if it is, then it will ask for the passphrase of known keys and store those keys in the ssh-agent for later use. |
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| 10:14.59 | geo-rge | later, when the spawned process wishes to do something with ssh that happens to require one of the keys stored in the agent, that key is used and you don't have to enter the passphrase as you normally would. |
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| 10:15.26 | empika | hey |
| 10:15.37 | A3ria | does anyone wher use yakuake? |
| 10:15.50 | empika | .htaccess should work with apache2 on tsting straight out the box right? |
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| 10:19.07 | family | help i need to qemu my iso that has my custom linux os on it |
| 10:19.42 | geo-rge | what is to qemu? |
| 10:19.47 | cast | family: then do it? |
| 10:19.52 | cast | geo-rge: virtualization |
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| 10:19.57 | nico8481 | re |
| 10:20.21 | family | lol cast qemu linux.iso <---------- i dont know the commands in between |
| 10:20.25 | nico8481 | any idea how to disable the "screen locking feature"? (stable) |
| 10:20.59 | family | i made a os and i dont know how to use qemu lol thats pretty dumb |
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| 10:22.08 | geo-rge | you can learn... it's not like it's impossible |
| 10:22.35 | n30 | family: try something like: qemu -hda os.iso -boot c |
| 10:22.43 | family | n30 thank you |
| 10:22.55 | family | geo-rge i made the hdinstaller for it too |
| 10:22.56 | geo-rge | what does that do? |
| 10:22.59 | Jonah | hi can anyone please help me out. i'm trying to use iwconfig to get my wifi card working but i can't get it to work and don't really know what i'm doing - i've read the iwconfig help and stuff but i'm not sure what i should be doing. everytime i put the key in it seems to then change again and i can't get any signal |
| 10:23.09 | n30 | family: np |
| 10:23.28 | family | geo-rge it has the sidux kernel with etch xorg and fvwm |
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| 10:23.37 | family | very fast light and secure |
| 10:23.59 | n30 | Jonah: are you using a hex key or acsii? |
| 10:24.05 | family | its basically pretty sweet |
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| 10:24.17 | Jonah | n30, it's hex 128bit |
| 10:24.19 | geo-rge | so I can use it for siduxion? |
| 10:24.35 | family | :) |
| 10:24.46 | family | most likely |
| 10:24.50 | Jonah | n30, and i've put my essid thing in there too, but that's not helped and not sure if should be locked mode or not |
| 10:25.19 | family | i am in beta right now though so thats why im testing out the iso because i dont know if the installer works right |
| 10:25.24 | family | its all custom stuff |
| 10:25.37 | n30 | Jonah: are you sure your interface is up and running? |
| 10:26.06 | family | im takeing a 2004 installer and moving it to 2007 lots of coding envolved. im hoping i have it right this time |
| 10:26.34 | Jonah | n30, well i don't know how to turn it on or antyhing, i think the computer is still trying to use eth0 - my wifi AP works cos i'm talking to you on it now from my mac |
| 10:27.03 | infinity0 | uh people what command do i use to check which version of a package i have? |
| 10:27.18 | n30 | infinity0: apt-cache show package |grep Version |
| 10:27.20 | n30 | should work |
| 10:27.23 | infinity0 | ahh thanks :) |
| 10:27.47 | n30 | :) |
| 10:27.49 | family | n30 im so tired lol i just pasted your code into the shell and it came back couldnt find image os.iso |
| 10:27.56 | family | :P |
| 10:28.11 | n30 | you have to change os.iso to your iso :P I dont know what it's called |
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| 10:32.07 | Maerz | uhm |
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| 10:32.55 | family | n30 lol no harddisk detected |
| 10:33.09 | family | and i dont know how to exit that so i restarted computer |
| 10:33.24 | liable | hrm, i have a driftnet dir in /tmp but i havent run it |
| 10:34.16 | n30 | family, try -hdb, -hdc and -hdd as well |
| 10:34.30 | family | lost your code |
| 10:34.50 | family | and how would i exit without restarting computer |
| 10:34.55 | n30 | qemu -hdx youriso.iso -boot c |
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| 10:35.08 | family | k |
| 10:35.17 | n30 | dont remember, ages since I used qemu |
| 10:35.18 | dennis- | hey guys |
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| 10:35.34 | dennis- | is there an example config for open-iscsi somewhere, where i can see how to setup a target? |
| 10:35.45 | n30 | family: try CTRL+ALT |
| 10:35.57 | family | maybe ill see if there is a qemu channel as well |
| 10:36.03 | family | okay ill try that too |
| 10:36.36 | family | there is a qemu lol :) |
| 10:36.42 | family | thanks n30 |
| 10:36.45 | n30 | np |
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| 10:38.51 | Raging_Hog | what packages do I need in addition to kdebase and kdelibs to make kde not bug and hang? |
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| 10:41.27 | Prax01D | http://www.noooxml.org/petition |
| 10:41.33 | Prax01D | Pass it along. |
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| 10:44.40 | nico8481 | ok network question now (stop me if it's a stupid one). let's say i configure my router to do dhcp. how do my computers get to know each other's IPs when they want to communicate? does the router keep some kind of local dns or something? |
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| 10:45.05 | UngeniO | Hi, everybody |
| 10:45.12 | geo-rge | Prax01D: as long as we're advertising... google for Aaron Russo's last movie "America: Freedom to Fascism" and watch it for free |
| 10:45.13 | petemc | nico8481: some routers do |
| 10:45.22 | liable | !arp |
| 10:45.23 | dpkg | it has been said that arp is the address resolution protocol, which converts IP addresses to MAC addresses, or man 8 arp |
| 10:45.43 | cast | i was under the impression that you didn't know the ips of everyone else on the network |
| 10:46.15 | liable | !rdepends driftnet |
| 10:46.18 | geo-rge | cast: you need to on loacal ethernets |
| 10:46.22 | nico8481 | cast: yup that's what the "internet" DNS i'm using is for |
| 10:47.11 | geo-rge | specifically you need an entry per nic card that shows the address that card is bound to |
| 10:47.16 | nico8481 | but i mean can you use both the "local router dns" that keeps track of local computer's IP along with an "internet" one? just have to put both in resolv.conf ? |
| 10:47.22 | UngeniO | Anybody know why a task is not grouping it in similar task ?? |
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| 10:47.50 | Decepticon_ | how do i send the output of ls to a text file |
| 10:47.53 | UngeniO | .. in task panel .. |
| 10:47.57 | petemc | Decepticon_: ls > file |
| 10:48.18 | petemc | nico8481: some routers will accept a hostname with the dhcp request |
| 10:48.26 | geo-rge | Decepticon_: how would you send the output of (any command) to a text file |
| 10:48.35 | infinity0 | um... how do you turn on/off the soundcore module? |
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| 10:49.02 | themill | !tell Decepticon_ about general cli tutorial |
| 10:49.11 | cast | so how do i get a list of all ips on my network? i've been using nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 :\ |
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| 10:49.20 | petemc | cast: that works |
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| 10:49.57 | nico8481 | petemc: you mean that when the comp asks the router to allocate it an IP it has to provide it its hostname so that the router can build its dns? |
| 10:50.07 | petemc | nico8481: correct |
| 10:50.43 | nico8481 | ok so i guess both that dns and an internet one can be used at the same time |
| 10:50.52 | petemc | hmm?> |
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| 10:51.08 | xushi | Hi all |
| 10:51.29 | Jonah | n30, i've had to reset my machine loads now from trying things that didnt work and it locking up. could you help me out with the wifi prob if you've time please? |
| 10:51.47 | n30 | sure, priv me |
| 10:51.52 | Jonah | n30, i don't know what else to do and i don't know where to turn anymore |
| 10:52.12 | Jonah | n30, thanks |
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| 10:52.57 | nico8481 | petemc: well i mean once the router has its "local dns" with IPs of your home network's computers, you have to use it (resolv.conf) but also a "normal" (internet) dns (so you can resolve google.com and freenode.net)... so i guess you can use both in the same resolv.conf? (that's what i wasn't sure about) |
| 10:53.09 | n30 | Jonah: check priv :P |
| 10:53.32 | petemc | nico8481: your router should just do the right thing |
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| 10:53.53 | tarzeau | anyone else has this problem as well? http://bugs.debian.org/441859 |
| 10:54.01 | Jonah | n30, oh no i don't think it worked, can you priv me instead? |
| 10:54.14 | n30 | I am |
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| 10:54.49 | nico8481 | ? |
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| 10:55.31 | Jonah | n30, is it cos i'm not registered or something? |
| 10:55.45 | liable | what would run driftnet in the background? i cant think what would have run it |
| 10:56.01 | n30 | Jonah: Nope, no idea. Try /query n30 |
| 10:56.29 | family | n30 ya almost had it qemu -cdrom my.iso -boot d |
| 10:56.53 | ZJH | how can i use sudo to let a normal user "zach" run the command rdate? |
| 10:56.59 | n30 | Jonah: ohh, we have to be registered |
| 10:57.07 | Jonah | n30, yeah it says i'm blocked due to spam probs |
| 10:57.10 | n30 | family: :) |
| 10:57.32 | family | and the darn thing works so good lol did i tell you what kind of os it is |
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| 10:58.49 | eleftherios | how can I get the package network-manager-gnome from sid into Lenny? |
| 10:59.13 | themill | !simple sid backport |
| 10:59.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs. |
| 10:59.21 | themill | not sure how simple it will be though ;) |
| 10:59.48 | eleftherios | !backports |
| 10:59.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 11:00.01 | eleftherios | themill: thanks |
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| 11:00.23 | n30- | Jonah: tell me when you are done :P |
| 11:00.30 | themill | eleftherios: the sid package might actually just install in lenny... it's worth trying. |
| 11:00.42 | dennis- | anyone here ever used open-iscsi to configure a target? |
| 11:01.12 | family | eleftherios in about 2 more days im going to release all hello my repacked iso with custom retard proof installation. all you do is type yes one time lol and it installs in about 5 minutes depending on cpu 200 mb anyways it has the sidux kernel 2.6.22.3-rc1-slh-smp-2 with etch and fvwm as well the windows manager lol |
| 11:01.36 | ZJH | i added a line to the sudoers file, but when i try to run rdate as my user, it says "Could not set time of day: Operation not permitted" |
| 11:01.41 | Jonah | n30, can you help me install the wireless card and set it up |
| 11:02.06 | n30- | Jonah: Yes I said, register your self first so we can priv :P |
| 11:02.46 | liable | n30-: just open your own channel |
| 11:02.49 | eleftherios | thanks |
| 11:02.57 | ZJH | the sudoers line is "zach ALL=/sbin/rdate" |
| 11:02.59 | family | liable lol |
| 11:03.01 | geo-rge | family: as long as we're advertising... see the (free) movie I cited earlier |
| 11:03.12 | liable | family: whats so funny? |
| 11:03.20 | InsomniaCity | Hi! I'm trying to decode an attachment from an email by hand... I copied out the base64 block into a text file, catted that into base64 -d, but the file isn't valid, file(1) says its just "data" |
| 11:03.29 | InsomniaCity | I can pastebin it if other people want to give it a try? |
| 11:03.47 | Jonah | n30, this is the instructions i've got on the driver disc but i don't understand them: http://pastebin.ca/693608 |
| 11:03.53 | n30- | Jonah, join #jonah :P |
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| 11:05.29 | themill | !wb |
| 11:05.29 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 11:05.53 | geo-rge | is it good to be dpkg? |
| 11:05.59 | family | geo-rge lol |
| 11:06.04 | ZJH | i need assistance setting up sudoers |
| 11:06.17 | geo-rge | sewer doers? |
| 11:06.29 | GuHHH | hey |
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| 11:06.41 | GuHHH | how can i use 32bit apps on 64 arch? |
| 11:06.44 | geo-rge | straw's cheaper |
| 11:06.45 | family | george im just excited |
| 11:06.51 | geo-rge | grass is free |
| 11:06.57 | ZJH | i need my sudoer to be able to modify the date and time with rdate |
| 11:07.01 | geo-rge | buy a farm... get all three |
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| 11:07.17 | geo-rge | family: are you in us? |
| 11:07.31 | ZJH | i've added the rdate command to the sudoers line, but it says it cannot update the date when i run rdate |
| 11:07.47 | *** part/#debian hatter_ (n=hatter@193.25.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 11:07.47 | family | yes |
| 11:07.58 | Alley | Hi. I recently used an install disk for etch-custom (2.6.21-2-686) to install. Is there a way to move back to 2.6.18 so that I can use Envy to install the latest nvidia drivers? |
| 11:08.02 | family | why do you ask |
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| 11:08.10 | geo-rge | then you should consider seeing that thing |
| 11:08.12 | Blissex | GuHHH: in practice the easiest way is to use a virtual machine with 32 bit install in it. Otherwise you can install a lot of 32 bit compat packages. Not everything is available though. Thank DPKG and APT for not letting you install the same stuff in two different architectures. |
| 11:08.26 | geo-rge | it's free |
| 11:08.31 | themill | ZJH: your_username ALL = NOPASSWD : /usr/sbin/rdate <<-- leave out "NOPASSWD :" if you want to be prompted for your user passwd |
| 11:08.39 | GuHHH | Blissex: isnt there something like 32bits libraries, or something? |
| 11:08.52 | Farhadix | why when I turn on ESD, my modem'sound silents? |
| 11:08.56 | Blissex | GuHHH: thats the compatibility packages I was referring to. |
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| 11:09.03 | themill | ia32-libs |
| 11:09.15 | ZJH | the sudoers line is already "zach ALL=/sbin/rdate" |
| 11:09.17 | GuHHH | thanks ppl :) |
| 11:09.20 | family | george im looking for it |
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| 11:09.27 | ZJH | when i try to run rdate as my user, it says "Could not set time of day: Operation not permitted" |
| 11:09.43 | geo-rge | it's Aaron Russo's last movie "America: Freedom to Fascism" and watch it for free |
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| 11:10.00 | themill | ZJH: check the location of the rdate binary. It's /usr/sbin/rdate |
| 11:10.04 | geo-rge | (he's dead now... died 2 weeks ago or so) |
| 11:10.05 | Farhadix | anyone can help me? |
| 11:10.32 | themill | ZJH: and you need to run it as sudo rdate not just rdate, of course |
| 11:10.47 | family | geo-rge i cant find the movie you cited?? |
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| 11:11.00 | geo-rge | ok |
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| 11:11.10 | slapfaceware | in exim4, how do i add relay permission to one host |
| 11:11.12 | geo-rge | www.freedomtofascism.com |
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| 11:11.30 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:11.42 | Suprano | i just can't umount a mountpoint /home/suprano/2ndplace: device is busy |
| 11:11.50 | Suprano | though i am pretty sure no programm access it |
| 11:11.51 | family | :) |
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| 11:11.54 | GuHHH | Blissex: no flash 9 compat? |
| 11:11.55 | GuHHH | :( |
| 11:11.56 | geo-rge | look on the top right, there will be a box, look under that box |
| 11:12.12 | Blissex | GuHHH: you have to install a 32 bit version of the broewser.... |
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| 11:12.19 | geo-rge | you'll see "WATCH FOR FREE on google" |
| 11:12.28 | family | george is that your movie?? |
| 11:12.31 | Suprano | how can i either see which programms are using it or force the umount? |
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| 11:12.41 | themill | Suprano: lsof /home/suprano/2ndplace |
| 11:12.42 | geo-rge | nono |
| 11:12.49 | geo-rge | it's Aaron Russo's |
| 11:12.58 | geo-rge | he produced and directed it |
| 11:13.00 | Suprano | themill lists nothing |
| 11:13.04 | family | im going to watch it now :) |
| 11:13.18 | geo-rge | hold on to your seat |
| 11:13.22 | themill | Suprano: try unmounting again.... it might work now ;) |
| 11:13.27 | geo-rge | you are NOT going to be happy... |
| 11:13.31 | Suprano | nope |
| 11:13.35 | themill | :( |
| 11:13.36 | Suprano | still doesn't work |
| 11:13.38 | family | i dont like america |
| 11:13.40 | family | :P |
| 11:13.49 | DexterF | need some mailserver advice. story is: got a bunch of pop3 account I fetch with KMail. now this means I only have access to my mail from one box and one OS. so I'd rather like to have a central mailserver that fetches my pop3 account every 5 minutes or when I trigger it and serv them as IMAP4 to my local net. need some pointers/directions/hints on what soft to use, tripwires etc. |
| 11:13.50 | ZJH | thanks for your help, i just figured it out |
| 11:13.56 | geo-rge | you won';t like it even more |
| 11:14.05 | family | oh gezz |
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| 11:14.10 | DexterF | Suprano: got konqueror running? close that, retry |
| 11:14.19 | Suprano | nope i haven't got it running |
| 11:14.33 | DexterF | Suprano: fuser -v <mountpoint>? |
| 11:14.43 | Suprano | aah the lazy umount did it now |
| 11:14.45 | themill | DexterF: use fetchmail to pick up the email; use dovecot to serve the email |
| 11:14.53 | sakhi | hi |
| 11:15.04 | family | oh i need my headphones and then its off to watch a movie |
| 11:15.33 | themill | Suprano: things like konqueror sometimes take a while to release the resources; also if it's a usb disk then try running sync first. |
| 11:15.43 | DexterF | themill: dovecot vs Cyrus - pros/cons? |
| 11:15.45 | geo-rge | I'll be curious as to what you thought |
| 11:15.46 | sakhi | Where can I get hold of reliable LPI 101 and 102 study material? |
| 11:15.54 | Suprano | i haven't got konqueror at all :) |
| 11:16.08 | DexterF | sakhi: ed2k/amule |
| 11:16.22 | geo-rge | but... you kant konker without konkerer |
| 11:16.29 | themill | Suprano: it's a generic problem and file managers are usually the culprit |
| 11:16.59 | DexterF | it's a generic problem with linux file managers... |
| 11:17.29 | themill | DexterF: I've only ever used dovecot because it's trivial to set up for a few users. I think petemc uses dovecot for large scale imap. |
| 11:17.30 | capiira | anyone else with gdebi problems ? |
| 11:17.35 | capiira | it opens and close again |
| 11:17.58 | DexterF | themill: ill have a look at it. |
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| 11:18.46 | InsomniaCity | Hi! I'm trying to decode an attachment from an email by hand... I copied out the base64 block into a text file, catted that into base64 -d, but the file isn't valid, file(1) says its just "data".. |
| 11:19.00 | DexterF | echo it |
| 11:19.03 | family | aww foocky are you serious george income tax is no way |
| 11:19.19 | family | im piss now |
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| 11:19.31 | DexterF | InsomniaCity: oh wait, my bad. what command did you use? |
| 11:20.02 | InsomniaCity | DexterF: cat text.b64 | base64 -d > file.bin |
| 11:20.09 | family | back to becoming mad |
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| 11:20.29 | InsomniaCity | DexterF: and file says file.bin is "data", when I'm expecting some kind of audio |
| 11:20.36 | DexterF | InsomniaCity: does it work without the > riderct? |
| 11:20.42 | DexterF | *redirect |
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| 11:20.51 | InsomniaCity | DexterF: well no, that just dumps it to my terminal :) |
| 11:20.55 | themill | there's uudeview |
| 11:21.22 | themill | (hang on... ignore me...) |
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| 11:21.35 | InsomniaCity | lol |
| 11:22.11 | themill | No actually, uudeview can do all sorts of attachments, including base64 ;) |
| 11:22.50 | themill | There's also xdeview which is a shitty gui for the process. |
| 11:23.10 | family | this is horse crap george i dont think this was a good idea im so heated |
| 11:23.12 | niru | hello all |
| 11:23.15 | niru | need help |
| 11:23.34 | InsomniaCity | themill: decodes the same file |
| 11:23.37 | InsomniaCity | checksums match |
| 11:23.45 | InsomniaCity | must be the source data :( |
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| 11:24.08 | themill | InsomniaCity: :( |
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| 11:24.41 | family | omg im showing everyone i know this movie america is going to be like in a up riot is this going to hit theaters? oo i hope not |
| 11:25.05 | niru | unable to use preseed file in usb |
| 11:25.36 | lodi | hi all cann i debin at my copmputer install at the moment i have a windows as OS |
| 11:25.43 | niru | I have the preseed file in /media/usb/ |
| 11:25.56 | themill | lodi: http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ |
| 11:26.02 | niru | and initrd.gz vmlinuz,syslinux.cfg,preseed.cfg also there |
| 11:26.06 | niru | an iso image too |
| 11:26.22 | niru | in syslinux.xfg I mentioned default vmlinuz |
| 11:26.34 | lodi | what is the minimum of debian i main prozesor ram etc. |
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| 11:26.41 | niru | append initrd=initrd.gz file=preseed.cfg |
| 11:26.51 | liable | !ig lodi |
| 11:26.55 | liable | !ig |
| 11:26.55 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 11:26.58 | niru | and when running qemu shows unable to fetch the preconfiguration file |
| 11:27.01 | liable | lodi: ^^ have a read of that |
| 11:27.04 | themill | !tell lodi about release notes |
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| 11:27.42 | niru | liable, I saw that and followed it but could not understand where went wrong |
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| 11:28.02 | liable | niru: where what went wrong? |
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| 11:30.17 | InsomniaCity | themill: ah heh, got another file from the same source using Evolution, also "data", so I didn't do anything wron g:) |
| 11:30.21 | niru | liable, http://pastebin.ca/693650 |
| 11:31.00 | liable | niru: whats that supposed to tell me? |
| 11:31.06 | themill | InsomniaCity: :( |
| 11:31.25 | InsomniaCity | Does anyone know how I can play an audio/x-gsm file? |
| 11:31.30 | InsomniaCity | mplayer didn't manage it. |
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| 11:31.33 | niru | liable, that is the output of the ls command run on the usb path |
| 11:31.46 | niru | liable, I mean to show what all things are available |
| 11:31.57 | sakhi | niru: try lsusb |
| 11:31.58 | geo-rge | liable: that he saw a cat, followed it into a mouse trap but couldn't tell why the cat was meowing? |
| 11:31.58 | niru | liable, can I mention the preseed file path as |
| 11:32.00 | Blissex | InsomniaCity: yes. |
| 11:32.01 | liable | niru: you arent making any sense to me |
| 11:32.08 | niru | liable, file=/dev/sdb/preseed.cfg |
| 11:32.15 | InsomniaCity | Blissex: care to share? :) |
| 11:32.41 | Blissex | InsomniaCity: you need a codec for the GSM compression. There are a few around. |
| 11:32.55 | liable | geo-rge: are you his interpreter :) |
| 11:33.30 | liable | noone is making sense! |
| 11:33.32 | niru | liable, without preseed file everyhting works fine |
| 11:33.35 | Blissex | InsomniaCity: it is an audio compression format. For voice. Taken from mobile phone compression. |
| 11:35.03 | themill | InsomniaCity: are you passing the entire email to uudeview (or xdeview) or just the attachment section? |
| 11:35.25 | InsomniaCity | themill: no, its not that... I've got it from Evolution too. |
| 11:35.30 | InsomniaCity | its definitely codec... |
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| 11:37.13 | p0g0 | Blissex: re the GSM codec, can you point me to one that embeds well with a common audio tool like vlc/xmms/mplayer, or even a browser plugin? |
| 11:37.57 | liable | p0g0: wth is going on with ath5k? are they not working on it till the lisencing issue is sorted? |
| 11:38.09 | liable | s/lisncing/licensing/ |
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| 11:38.18 | Blissex | p0g0: 'apt-cache search gsm' will help |
| 11:38.18 | liable | whatever |
| 11:38.23 | liable | stupid fingers |
| 11:38.56 | p0g0 | liable: I _really_ don't know. I uhm, well, I sort of got off the bus |
| 11:39.05 | InsomniaCity | Blissex: I tried untoasting is, but that didn't work |
| 11:39.08 | p0g0 | Blissex: thanks |
| 11:39.17 | pleed | hi i need help applying a patch to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh but i dont really understand what belongs to what: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/4464 |
| 11:39.25 | liable | p0g0: the silence is deafening :( |
| 11:39.32 | pleed | just copy and paste into my term doesnt work |
| 11:39.40 | p0g0 | liable: well, let me recall what I saw in public |
| 11:39.57 | UngeniO | one question ¿anybody know why some similar tasks are not grouping in pannel task while others taks is doing it ? |
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| 11:40.20 | liable | p0g0: i read all the stuff in the lists, i thought you might have read something about on team |
| 11:40.44 | p0g0 | liable- ok- so you saw the stuff about Jiri & pulling license language? |
| 11:40.50 | liable | yeah |
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| 11:40.52 | themill | InsomniaCity: oh ok... I think I understand now. |
| 11:40.57 | liable | p0g0: who didnt :) |
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| 11:41.14 | geo-rge | liable: dad i doo gud at intarputing? |
| 11:41.57 | liable | geo-rge: you make as much sense as him :) kinda like you converting chinese to german for an english speaker |
| 11:42.32 | p0g0 | liable: not to make much of it, but I retired from the team & don't know what they are pursuing. I think there will be some public stuff soon |
| 11:42.47 | liable | p0g0: okie |
| 11:43.06 | p0g0 | liable: you could always _join_ |
| 11:43.22 | Neaai | hello all. I have purged the mysql-server package and want to reinstall again, afresh. At the end, it gives the message: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst: line 143: /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf: No such file or directory |
| 11:43.22 | geo-rge | eye did to gud den |
| 11:43.26 | p0g0 | it's a self-signup thing |
| 11:43.44 | Neaai | Can anyone explain why it won't install again? |
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| 11:46.33 | gustavo | control-alt esquerda, direita |
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| 11:46.53 | liable | geo-rge: english here |
| 11:47.01 | liable | gustavo: english here |
| 11:47.03 | gustavo | sorry, wrong chan |
| 11:47.04 | gustavo | lol |
| 11:47.19 | liable | luckily my comment applies to geo-rge as well :) |
| 11:48.54 | indraveni | Neaai, this erorr message you are getting during purging or nistalling? |
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| 11:51.16 | Neaai | indraveni: I get this message when I install. I try the install after purging. |
| 11:51.28 | sixtysixbilly | hi, having trouble getting sound working. alsa installed, lspci | grep audio produces two cards, both of which are present in /proc/asound/cards. xmms2 and vlc produce no sound, the latter I checked with both cards... |
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| 11:52.28 | baktaah | How do I add my user as sudo? |
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| 11:53.48 | sep | baktaah, visudo |
| 11:54.00 | baktaah | sep, yeah I even added USER ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 11:54.07 | vlt | geo-rge: There's a "Package: keychain Description: key manager for OpenSSH" in apt and I can't find out what exactly it does. |
| 11:54.31 | liable | USER? |
| 11:54.40 | marc7 | when does /etc/motd get rewritten with the Debian GNU/Linux license? |
| 11:55.06 | sixtysixbilly | baktaah: did you edit /etc/sudoers using visudo as root? |
| 11:55.21 | baktaah | sixtysixbilly, yeah, nevermind I fixed it |
| 11:55.30 | petemc | marc7: i think you need to use /etc/motd.tail |
| 11:56.38 | marc7 | i think you're right! thanks |
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| 12:04.19 | harpal | I have installed debian 4.0 and I have login scrren has resolution 1024*768 how to decrease that to 800*600? |
| 12:04.39 | geo-rge | you put your ssh keys there |
| 12:05.01 | geo-rge | instal it and mess wit it |
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| 12:08.43 | xdcdx_ | hello |
| 12:08.58 | xdcdx_ | is there a way to restart the USB subsytem? mine stopped working, and I don't want to reboot the computer |
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| 12:09.25 | xdcdx_ | an usb mous, as well as an usb flash memory, aren't being detected |
| 12:09.39 | liable | reload the modules |
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| 12:10.40 | xdcdx_ | liable: how? I tried '/etc/init.d/udev restart' but that didn't work |
| 12:11.01 | liable | xdcdx_: with modprobe |
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| 12:13.51 | xdcdx_ | liable: I can't remove it with modprobe |
| 12:14.09 | xdcdx_ | --$ modprobe -r usbcore |
| 12:14.09 | xdcdx_ | FATAL: Module usbcore is in use. |
| 12:14.09 | liable | remove what? |
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| 12:14.29 | liable | xdcdx_: see which modules are using it with lsmod, unload those first |
| 12:14.37 | xdcdx_ | thanks |
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| 12:16.32 | xdcdx_ | umm, removed 4 of them, but still says used by 1: usbcore 134280 1 |
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| 12:16.40 | xdcdx_ | and no module name afterwards |
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| 12:19.54 | xdcdx_ | lsof | grep usb didn't help either |
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| 12:21.34 | liable | hrm |
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| 12:22.51 | petemc | 10:59 -!- Irssi: Changed to server irc.perl.org |
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| 12:23.07 | xdcdx_ | --$ sudo umount /proc/bus/usb |
| 12:23.07 | xdcdx_ | umount: /proc/bus/usb: device is busy |
| 12:23.39 | xdcdx_ | :( |
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| 12:23.44 | dalias | fuser -m /proc/bus/usb |
| 12:23.54 | liable | do you still have things plugged in? |
| 12:24.05 | xdcdx_ | liable: no |
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| 12:24.27 | UngeniO | Somebody know why konsole task is not grouping in task panel when other task are doing it ? |
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| 12:24.59 | gustavo | modinfo usbcore (see the depends line, and modprobe -r (usbcore + depends) |
| 12:25.30 | ivh | I yesterday installed a box with sid (works great), but there is one thing that drives me crazy: after each reboot the the disks sd[abc] are switched so I have to adapt the boot-option and the fstab. Is there a way to stop this behaviour, like giving names? |
| 12:25.51 | xdcdx_ | gustavo, depends line is empty |
| 12:25.59 | dalias | what type of disks? |
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| 12:26.41 | ivh | two sata (onboard) and one pata on a promise controller (even that disk shows up as sdX) |
| 12:26.48 | xdcdx_ | dalias, too many processes appear when fuser -m /proc/bus/usb including the x session. That means I can't restore the usbcore module without closing the x session? |
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| 12:27.07 | dalias | i suppose not. why the hell is X using /proc/bus/usb?! |
| 12:27.20 | trueboar | hi can you PLEASE tell me how to disable logging to console? i tried googling but both entries in /etc/init.d/klogd and syslog KLOGD="-c #" failed |
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| 12:27.33 | xdcdx_ | no idea |
| 12:27.34 | gustavo | xdcdx_: is it a mouse/ |
| 12:27.39 | dalias | trueboar, # needs to be replaced with a number 1-9 |
| 12:27.42 | dalias | 1 is minimal logging |
| 12:27.47 | trueboar | dalias, lol i know :-) |
| 12:27.50 | dalias | i.e. no spam unless the kernel crashes |
| 12:27.51 | trueboar | tried 1-4 |
| 12:28.00 | xdcdx_ | gustavo, yes it's a mouse, but currently it's disconnected. By the way this is a laptop |
| 12:28.08 | dalias | look in /etc/default/klogd |
| 12:28.18 | liable | trueboar: and restarted it? |
| 12:28.29 | trueboar | liable, yes |
| 12:28.39 | liable | c 2 is usually good for me |
| 12:28.44 | liable | trueboar: whats logging there? |
| 12:28.48 | trueboar | i dont want AN console logs |
| 12:28.53 | gustavo | xdcdx_: what lsmod |grep usb gives to u? |
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| 12:29.03 | trueboar | liable, mostly shorewall entries as i got heavy traffic |
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| 12:29.16 | marc7 | make-kpkg error: The version number 2.6.19.2-forkD is not all lowercase. Since the version ends up in the package name of the kernel image package, this is a Debian policy violation, and the packaging system shall refuse to package the image. |
| 12:29.17 | JohnnyST | hi |
| 12:29.18 | liable | trueboar: hrm c 2 should stop those |
| 12:29.19 | marc7 | h8 |
| 12:29.25 | liable | trueboar: where are you setting it? |
| 12:29.35 | xdcdx_ | gustavo: |
| 12:29.37 | xdcdx_ | --$ lsmod | grep usb |
| 12:29.37 | xdcdx_ | usbcore 134280 1 |
| 12:29.56 | trueboar | liable, /etc/init.d/klogd and syslogd |
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| 12:30.09 | liable | xdcdx_: you've unloaded the uhci and ehci ? |
| 12:30.15 | liable | trueboar: strange |
| 12:30.31 | liable | trueboar: on the start stop line? |
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| 12:30.45 | JohnnyST | Was ATi supose to release the code and specs for its r500/r600 chips this week dose someone know if they have done so? |
| 12:30.50 | xdcdx_ | liable: yeah |
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| 12:31.06 | trueboar | liable, i didnt have KLOGD="" nowhere in /etc/init.d |
| 12:31.09 | liable | trueboar: somebody mentioned sysctl lately, have you checked the klogd changelog? |
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| 12:31.25 | liable | trueboar: set it on the start line |
| 12:31.34 | trueboar | liable, no i didnt, ok ill try |
| 12:32.00 | liable | just add c 2 to the end |
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| 12:33.18 | xdcdx_ | I'm off to luch, if you know something else I can try, please write it and I'll try it once I return |
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| 12:43.26 | melvin | helo, how can i force a kernel-crash on Debian etch? sysrq Key 'c' doesn't work |
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| 12:44.56 | trueboar | liable, klogd starts as klogd -x c 2 and i still get fw actions loggeg to console |
| 12:44.57 | th0ger_ifa | How can i check if the new version of gnuplot (4.0) is in etch, lenny or sid? |
| 12:45.05 | th0ger_ifa | 4.2 i mean |
| 12:45.30 | liable | trueboar: thats weird, c2 always stopped them for me |
| 12:45.57 | saintiss | th0ger_ifa: check packages.debian.org |
| 12:45.57 | th0ger_ifa | ok. can it be done with dpkg or apt-get? |
| 12:46.08 | saintiss | th0ger_ifa: no, with your browser |
| 12:46.10 | liable | trueboar: i havent used shorewall for some time, does it also have logging options? |
| 12:46.31 | ivh | th0ger_ifa: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=gnuplot |
| 12:46.40 | trueboar | liable, sure it does |
| 12:46.45 | saintiss | th0ger_ifa: with apt, you can only do apt-cache showpkg gnuplot to check the version in the distro you've got in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:46.59 | trueboar | liable, but i think its syslog works |
| 12:47.22 | liable | trueboar: but shorewall would be logging via syslog |
| 12:47.54 | trueboar | liable, and what then? |
| 12:48.08 | liable | trueboar: what do you mean? |
| 12:48.34 | trueboar | liable, can i disable syslog logging to console? i think its everything from /var/log/messages |
| 12:49.07 | liable | trueboar: i dont know what else you can try |
| 12:51.07 | bullgard4 | is 'udev' an abbreviation for 'universal device manager' or for what? |
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| 12:51.23 | trueboar | liable, its not so big deal; i mostly use ssh but i just want to have clean console when i want to do something and dont want to turn on pc; i feel strange after almost hour of trying to disable this ;-) |
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| 12:52.13 | liable | trueboar: yeah, i cant think why it would still be doing it |
| 12:52.20 | Coweater | bullgard4: it's just a name |
| 12:52.43 | bullgard4 | Coweater: Thank you for explaining. |
| 12:53.07 | trueboar | liable, btw in shorewall theres only log levels to define |
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| 12:59.16 | simmerz|work | does anyone know of a livecd that has evms and debootstrap built in? not getting anywhere regarding a evms-enabled installer |
| 13:00.51 | aguitel | where i can get Debian live cd ? |
| 13:00.57 | azeem | !live cd |
| 13:00.57 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 13:01.01 | jelly | all the cool dudes use lvm2, probably |
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| 13:02.41 | infernixx | i'm trying to rename a module (bonding) when it's being inserted by adding "alias bond0 bonding" and "option -o bond0 some_more_parameters" to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases. however, when I modprobe bond0, it returns an error in which it states that -o is not a parameter for the bonding module |
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| 13:03.06 | infernixx | isn't "options -o somename" supposed to pass that to modprobe? |
| 13:03.25 | infernixx | all the docs I can find on google and the likes refer to this method but it doesn't seem to fly with Etch here |
| 13:03.38 | liable | with modprobe you just module option |
| 13:04.27 | infernixx | manually, it's modprobe -o bond0 bonding more_parameters; modprobe -o bond1 bonding other_parameters |
| 13:04.43 | infernixx | that works, but I can't get this to work with aliases. could it be a bug in module-init-tools? |
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| 13:06.22 | infernixx | wait. i think i can fix it when i replace 'options' with 'install' and specify the modprobe commandline that way |
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| 13:09.05 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 13:09.26 | liable | gidday cobber |
| 13:10.44 | Bushmills | krikey nora... another aussie :) |
| 13:11.20 | liable | :) |
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| 13:11.42 | hark | infernixx: man modprobe.conf :) |
| 13:11.49 | infernixx | hark: been there, done that |
| 13:12.18 | liable | i dont know why you need the -o when you have alised it in the file to start with |
| 13:12.57 | lrp | hey there |
| 13:13.09 | liable | but then again, i havent played with it myself |
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| 13:14.15 | infernixx | its easy with just one bonded interface, but the second makes things really really hard |
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| 13:14.56 | toon | I have a kernel I'd like to deploy on 30 out of 40 servers I manage - should I read up on mirrors and set up a private apt mirror for that? |
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| 13:16.02 | liable | if its just a once off for the kernel, just set up an ftp server, if its going to be regular, yeah |
| 13:16.11 | lrp | anyone here have used sarg to view squid reports? |
| 13:16.13 | liable | !own repo |
| 13:16.14 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./"; |
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| 13:17.24 | hark | infernixx: options modulename option ? |
| 13:17.27 | infernixx | haah |
| 13:17.32 | infernixx | its an etch kernel bug |
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| 13:17.54 | xda | is radeon the 3d accelerated driver? |
| 13:17.59 | lrp | anyone here have used sarg to view squid reports? im having a trouble to view/generate the last months reports |
| 13:18.01 | infernixx | !bts 439007 |
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| 13:18.22 | hark | !dbugs 439007 |
| 13:18.25 | dpkg | #439007:N[linux-image-2.6-amd64] two bond interfaces with 2.6.18-5-amd64 + module-init-tools; Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:54:02 UTC |
| 13:18.32 | toon | thanks, lrp |
| 13:18.53 | mephisto | how do i change the order of 2 iptables commands? |
| 13:18.54 | lrp | toon ?? |
| 13:18.55 | infernixx | ok well thats another hour to /dev/null |
| 13:19.09 | toon | lrp: was that not in response to my question? |
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| 13:19.23 | liable | !ping |
| 13:19.23 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:20.07 | family | If there are any americans here in this channel i strongly suggest you take some time to watch this movie and overview the website http://www.freedomtofascism.com/ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 this is a very very serious matter please dont take this lightly |
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| 13:20.31 | lrp | toon i guess not , because i was asking about sarg config to generate multiple reports about squid access log from 8 months ago until now , but my trouble is i can only see today report |
| 13:20.40 | pif | hi, where can I see a log of installed packages with the install date? |
| 13:20.48 | liable | family: this isnt the place for it |
| 13:21.27 | streuner | pif: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:21.49 | pif | thanks |
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| 13:22.12 | family | liable i think it is as good as any new world order i dont know tell me how do you feel |
| 13:22.34 | family | ya want to be part of the chip implantation? |
| 13:22.47 | lrp | anyone can help me out in here ? |
| 13:22.51 | lrp | !sarg |
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| 13:23.26 | liable | family: i feel like you are spamming the channel. its OT and gets bashed about everyday on sites like reddit and /. |
| 13:23.39 | liable | go there if you want to discuss it |
| 13:24.15 | dalias | :P |
| 13:24.22 | jelly | or #politics (if it exists) |
| 13:24.31 | dalias | probably ##politics on this net |
| 13:24.34 | RainbowW | i for one welcome our new spamming overlords. |
| 13:24.34 | family | okay im not going to say more |
| 13:24.38 | dalias | unless there's a project named 'politics' |
| 13:25.07 | dareth | #politics is full of nazi/trolls.. good people, but leftist trolls. |
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| 13:25.28 | dareth | Does the lastest debian support SAS drives with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:25.34 | Bushmills | dareth: especially Brunn |
| 13:25.59 | dareth | laugh bush |
| 13:26.08 | Alley | I have successfully installed Debian Etch Stable AMD64. Unfortunately my sound doesn't work. Would I just change "etch" to "lenny" in my sources.list to move to testing? |
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| 13:27.03 | SorenStoutner | Alley: yes. |
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| 13:27.33 | Alley | One little thing confuses me. How in the sources.list does it know its amd64? Does it pickt hat up from the kernel in use? |
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| 13:27.40 | Chrom_ | hi all |
| 13:27.56 | SorenStoutner | Alley: yes, the system knows. |
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| 13:28.13 | Alley | What version will it move to and will my NVidia driver continue to work? |
| 13:28.34 | logd | hi i've a problem - when printing from my pc everything goes fine but if a client on my lan prints a document using my shared printer the LAST page isn't ejected until i turn off the printer |
| 13:28.36 | SorenStoutner | Alley: I can't remember if it is from the kernel or some other way, but it knows. |
| 13:28.37 | lrp | help me |
| 13:28.41 | Chrom_ | I have a problem with a microsd card and ubuntu. I have a memory card reader that works perfectly with normal sdcards. now I just got a microsd with an sdcard adapter and the device is not correctly mounted |
| 13:28.52 | liable | lrp: if people knew, they would |
| 13:28.55 | Chrom_ | oops sorry wrong channel |
| 13:28.57 | Chrom_ | forgive me :) |
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| 13:29.13 | SorenStoutner | Alley: if you use a front end for apt it will tell you what version it will move to. |
| 13:29.38 | xoz | logd: check the properties in the client |
| 13:30.04 | SorenStoutner | Alley: you can also do a search on packages.debian.org. |
| 13:30.05 | logd | it looks ok - mean if i plug the pritner on the client it still prints good |
| 13:30.15 | Alley | I use synaptic |
| 13:30.19 | logd | the issue is only when printing remotely |
| 13:30.22 | Alley | SorenStoutner: thanks for your help. |
| 13:30.47 | SorenStoutner | Alley: The current version of the kernel in testing is 2.6.21-2. |
| 13:30.50 | xoz | logd: same driver locally and in remote? |
| 13:30.52 | Alley | I just know this will end in tears and I'll end up back at the command line when X fails to start :-( |
| 13:31.13 | logd | yes |
| 13:31.15 | SorenStoutner | Alley: And yes, you'll have to redo the NVidia driver every time you switch kernels. |
| 13:31.32 | Alley | Maybe someone here could walk me through trying to get my sound working with stable? |
| 13:32.03 | Alley | SorenStoutner: I tried earlier today and I used envy - but it was unable to find the source code for that kernel to compile the vga driver. |
| 13:32.08 | xoz | logd: we are not mind readers. with the description you have, your guess is as good as the rest of us. provide more info... logs... etc |
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| 13:32.58 | Alley | Anyone brave enough to try and help me get my sound working? I am a complete Debian noob. |
| 13:33.04 | logd | i know bu no log complain about anything - as programmer i'm sure this happen 'cause the command "newpage/enddoc" isn't sent but dunno why |
| 13:33.22 | xoz | we do not also |
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| 13:34.14 | liable | !sound test |
| 13:34.20 | liable | meh |
| 13:34.25 | liable | !sound check |
| 13:34.31 | polu | In Windows the Creative drivers include an application to play an instrument (e.g. piano, flute, etc). Is there also something like that for Linux? |
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| 13:34.49 | Alley | No sound experts here? |
| 13:35.05 | liable | Alley: have you run alsaconf ? |
| 13:35.08 | xoz | ~plonk |
| 13:35.08 | apt | somebody said plonk was the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
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| 13:35.55 | Alley | liable: yes. nothing found. |
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| 13:36.19 | liable | Alley: ok, then you need to check which ard it is with lspci, and hit google |
| 13:36.20 | Alley | Its a new Mobo. So I guess I need a "backport" or whatever it is. It does work with Ubuntu. |
| 13:36.42 | liable | Alley: have a look at alsa.org |
| 13:36.53 | Alley | liable: thought so. ok. but its rather frightening that lspci always says "unknowwn" device. |
| 13:37.08 | liable | Alley: run update-pciids |
| 13:37.36 | gustavo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.50 | Alley | liable: what did that do? |
| 13:37.58 | liable | Alley: try lspci again |
| 13:38.14 | Alley | :) Nice. |
| 13:38.49 | Alley | I got 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 13:39.13 | liable | Alley: ok, go see if theres an alsa source package that has support for that driver |
| 13:39.28 | themill | snd_hda_intel is a moving target.... the newer the kernel/alsa the better, it seems. |
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| 13:40.04 | liable | Alley: what kernel do you have? |
| 13:40.18 | Alley | stable |
| 13:40.27 | liable | Alley: and whats the sata controller? |
| 13:40.37 | Alley | how do I know? |
| 13:40.42 | liable | lspci |
| 13:40.50 | Alley | 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IB (ICH9) 2 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02) |
| 13:41.36 | hark | if alsa 1.0.13-5 works, you can upgrade to it in etch |
| 13:41.37 | liable | Alley: is it running in ahci mode in bios? |
| 13:41.38 | Alley | I had hell installing. Had to get rid of the IDE DVD and put a SATA in. Then had to buy an old ethernet card as the onboard didnt work. |
| 13:41.50 | Alley | liable: there are no such options. |
| 13:41.52 | liable | themill: its still in the post :( |
| 13:42.01 | Alley | It is Enhanced or Compatible. |
| 13:42.11 | liable | i was hoping to build it today |
| 13:42.12 | Alley | Asus P5K SE |
| 13:42.29 | liable | heh |
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| 13:42.38 | liable | Alley: is it in enhanced mode ? |
| 13:43.03 | Alley | actualy, now i think of it, no. I put it in compatible mode so the etch stable business card would work. |
| 13:43.15 | liable | ah, bugger |
| 13:43.23 | Alley | wha do you ask |
| 13:44.00 | liable | Alley: i am getting a board with the same chipset and it will be going in a stable box. just curious how yours was going. |
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| 13:44.17 | liable | i had a feeling i would need the 22 kernel |
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| 13:44.49 | Alley | Well, as I say, I'm pretty ignorant about Debian. I can say I have an AMD64 Etch stable now running with the latest nvidia drivers, but no sound. I dont know about performance as I havent really pushed it yet. Seems stable. |
| 13:45.29 | Alley | If I change Etch to "lenny" and then upgrade, can I go back if it fails? |
| 13:45.34 | bullgard4 | Was ist ein 'callout', z. B. in man (7) udev: "cdrom_id (8) - udev callout to determine the capabilities of cd/dvd drives"? |
| 13:45.47 | liable | Alley: no. you would have to reinstall |
| 13:45.55 | azeem | bullgard4: this is an english chanel |
| 13:46.18 | SpeedyG | !de |
| 13:46.19 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 13:46.39 | pleed | !sp |
| 13:46.39 | dpkg | well, sp is troubled: you stats pimp! |
| 13:46.50 | pleed | !ru |
| 13:46.50 | dpkg | ru is probably Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | pleed: msg the bot please |
| 13:47.08 | pleed | abrotman: sorry |
| 13:47.32 | liable | hrm, that just made me want a bloody mary. |
| 13:47.50 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'callout' as in man (7) udev: "cdrom_id (8) - udev callout to determine the capabilities of cd/dvd drives"? |
| 13:48.00 | gerro | what is apt-get command to fix broken packages by installing dependencies? |
| 13:48.07 | abrotman | apt-get -f install |
| 13:48.28 | gerro | isn't that to force install something? |
| 13:48.33 | Alley | thanks for you help. Upgrade happening as we speak .... |
| 13:48.45 | abrotman | gerro: man apt-get |
| 13:48.55 | gerro | just saying -f usually means force |
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| 13:49.18 | gerro | was trying to install mesa and got load of conflicting package errors heh.. |
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| 13:50.58 | abrotman | gerro: you mean overwrite issues ? |
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| 13:52.02 | gerro | abrotman: I have several issues one my time is screwed up on everything because comp is that way two gpgv isn't working right for some and three a bunch of packages saying they conflict with others |
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| 13:52.25 | ogamiitto | I want to automate postfix installation skipping the ncurses config interface, i have already defined postfix configuration files, what's the way to go? |
| 13:52.28 | gerro | abrotman: but I really don't mind long as I can enter in driver "mesa" into my xorg.conf |
| 13:53.14 | gerro | abrotman: it seems when mesa was created it was like the dark ages of linux or something, google turns up nothing |
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| 13:53.55 | gustavo | sorry for the question, but im designing a website, and i would like to have your opinions... tell me good sites for linux tutorials (for services configurations/install)? |
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| 13:54.48 | Xteven_ | does anyone know if its possible to create a bridge with a wireless device ? |
| 13:55.08 | gerro | Xteven_: heck yeah it is |
| 13:55.33 | Oyama | are there any difference between 2.6.23 and 2.6.21 about the root filesystem? i compiled a 2.6.23 using the config from 2.6.21 and i can't boot on it (/dev/hda1 doesn't exists anymore) |
| 13:55.34 | Xteven_ | gerro: ok nice :) |
| 13:55.37 | gerro | Xteven: I usually use my wireless laptop as bridge for non wireless computers, works nice for installs :) |
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| 13:55.49 | gerro | Xteven: look up iptables -forwarding option |
| 13:56.15 | pleed | gerro: isnt it just activating ip_forward and setting up the routes? |
| 13:56.18 | Xteven_ | gerro: I actually didn't want to use forwarding, just plain bridging |
| 13:56.21 | liable | thats different to a bridge |
| 13:56.31 | gerro | Xteven: isn't that the same?... |
| 13:56.33 | liable | Xteven_: bridging can be done though for wireless |
| 13:56.38 | gerro | pleed: yeah basically |
| 13:56.39 | Xteven_ | gerro: no ;) |
| 13:57.11 | Xteven_ | liable: does it depend on the wireless card ? I don't think I can put my card into "snif" mode |
| 13:57.17 | Xteven_ | or whatever its called |
| 13:57.21 | Xteven_ | manager mode or sth ? |
| 13:57.24 | gerro | Xteven: yeah you need it in that mode.. |
| 13:57.24 | liable | promiscuous |
| 13:57.45 | gerro | no its not promiscuous its rfmon mode |
| 13:57.47 | Xteven_ | monitor mode it seems |
| 13:58.11 | Xteven_ | ah that sucks :/ |
| 13:58.16 | pleed | can someone please explain me the difference between bridging and what gerro said (ip_forward=1) |
| 13:58.19 | liable | why would you want it in monitor mode for a bridge? |
| 13:58.29 | liable | gerro: why? |
| 13:58.33 | Xteven_ | pleed: bridging is level 2, forwarding is level 3 |
| 13:58.34 | gerro | a wireless bridge |
| 13:58.54 | Xteven_ | liable: because you need to capture all traffic |
| 13:58.57 | gerro | you could set it up to work at level 2 couldn't you though? |
| 13:59.05 | pleed | Xteven_: ah thanks |
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| 13:59.20 | Xteven_ | liable: might be able to do it with arp thingeling |
| 13:59.23 | Xteven_ | forgot the word |
| 13:59.34 | Xteven_ | damn :P |
| 13:59.36 | Xteven_ | arp -D |
| 13:59.37 | gerro | pleed: think he wants a more permanent solution, my way it one time thing |
| 13:59.40 | Xteven_ | whats that called again |
| 13:59.43 | liable | http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/TransparentBridge |
| 13:59.53 | liable | i dont know what you guys are talking about |
| 14:00.05 | Xteven_ | arp proxy ! |
| 14:00.10 | pleed | Xteven_: maybe that could help you http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_setup_a_gentoo_bridge |
| 14:00.22 | Xteven_ | I'll check it out |
| 14:00.46 | Xteven_ | I'm finding it difficult to create a permanent bridge (even on a wired network) and using it together with gnome's NetworkManager |
| 14:01.03 | gerro | liable: thx for link looks fun |
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| 14:02.10 | null | Hello, I was tryin'ng to setup authdaemon with mysql using postfix, but maybe my query fails and the user cannot login using authmysqlrc, how can I see wich query are tryin'g to do? I am use DEBUG_LOG=1 but does not work for me, I only see user foo is denied on table etc, any idea? |
| 14:02.29 | Xteven_ | hmm thats atheros :( I don't think my device is supported |
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| 14:10.01 | Enigma | When I start installing a new package the following error occures: Setting up ssmtp (2.61-11.1) ...\nhostname: Unknown host\ndpkg: error processing ssmtp (--configure):\n subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 14:10.13 | Enigma | what is wrong with apt? :( |
| 14:10.15 | abrotman | !info ssmtp etch |
| 14:10.19 | dpkg | ssmtp: (extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.61-11.1 (etch), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 0 kB |
| 14:10.25 | abrotman | Enigma: checked the BTS ? |
| 14:10.38 | Enigma | BTS? |
| 14:10.56 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:10.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:11.08 | abrotman | Enigma: you could also put a set -x in the postinst script to see exactly where it's dying |
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| 14:12.13 | Enigma | abrotman: do you know where I can find this file? |
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| 14:12.41 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 14:15.37 | Enigma | abrotman: I think its the code: db_get ssmtp/hostname |
| 14:15.37 | Enigma | hostname="${RET:-`hostname --fqdn`}" |
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| 14:19.42 | petemc | Enigma: what does hostname -f say? |
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| 14:20.49 | tarzeau | does anyone netboot/netinstall debian on powerpc macs? |
| 14:20.57 | tarzeau | like the imac g4? |
| 14:21.34 | Enigma | petemc: the issue was the /etc/hosts - the /etc/hostname entry, did not occur in this file |
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| 14:24.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: ask #debianppc ? |
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| 14:26.53 | jetscreamer | i have a very important vital question that i will die if i don't find out the answer: does anybody know when stargate starts? and lost? :p |
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| 14:27.25 | docsnuggles | jetscreamer: Google.com |
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| 14:27.37 | nico8481 | re re |
| 14:27.51 | liable | !kill jetscreamer |
| 14:28.04 | gerro | jetscreamer: man I love them shows too |
| 14:28.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: tv.com ? |
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| 14:28.39 | gerro | http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/231.html I found this guide but still can't get mesa setup am missing a kernel module or something |
| 14:29.17 | harpal | I am trying to start flock browser but when I issue command ./flock I get error ./flock-bin: relocation error: ./flock-bin: undefined symbol: gdk_threads_lock any idea? |
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| 14:30.54 | nico8481 | is there a tool to manage the services that are not listed under Desktop>Administration>Services (I'm thinking about portmap, hpiod, exim...) or do you have to bust the links under rc2.d by hand? |
| 14:31.10 | jetscreamer | !runlevels |
| 14:31.10 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d, or if you don't understand that, consider installing 'rcconf', 'sysv-rc-conf' or 'file-rc' instead - see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 : or ask me about <startup> |
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| 14:31.47 | nico8481 | ok thx |
| 14:32.11 | gerro | jetscreamer: I thought debian didn't use sysvinit... |
| 14:32.47 | nico8481 | btw, what's the differences between those type of services and the ones that are listed in the menu? (why doesn't it manage *every* service?) |
| 14:32.56 | nico8481 | different type of services? |
| 14:33.08 | gerro | I think some are sub services |
| 14:33.10 | gerro | that hide inside others |
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| 14:33.24 | jetscreamer | !sysvinit |
| 14:33.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz |
| 14:33.31 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 14:34.21 | nico8481 | which one of these "rc managers" would you recommend me? :) |
| 14:34.28 | themill | update-rc.d |
| 14:34.37 | jetscreamer | whatever he said |
| 14:34.49 | gerro | I've used sysv-rc-conf |
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| 14:35.31 | jetscreamer | i think i used file-rc before... just once though |
| 14:35.31 | Atilla | Hmmm, so - If i'm trying to get a lLnny package backported to Etch, where should I read up on things, being totally clueless about it ? |
| 14:35.44 | jetscreamer | !tell atilla -about backports |
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| 14:36.16 | Atilla | handy, thanks |
| 14:36.20 | jetscreamer | today i play truck driver.. yeehaa |
| 14:36.22 | liable | nico8481: some are started by inetd |
| 14:36.59 | nico8481 | liable: yup i know, stopped it too... |
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| 14:37.59 | gcbirzan | Hm. I'm trying to upgrade from a Sarge install to Etch and aptitude is trying to remove a lot of stuff I need (such as postfix, this being a mail server). Here's the output from aptitude when asking about dependencies: http://208.78.101.115/~gcbirzan/upgrade/dependencies.txt |
| 14:38.28 | gcbirzan | From what I can see, the only thing that might trigger that would be the conflict with update-inetd, which I don't have installed and the requirement of a mail-reader, which I have (both mutt and mailx) |
| 14:38.47 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 14:38.47 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 14:38.48 | gcbirzan | Oh, hm. It's trying to install update-inetd... Hm. |
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| 14:40.35 | themill | gcbirzan: look at section 4.5.4 of the release notes |
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| 14:42.12 | gcbirzan | themill: Did an aptitude install initrd-tools but an aptitude install tries to do the same thing as dist-upgrade. |
| 14:42.20 | gcbirzan | Oh, no. Sorry. Hm. |
| 14:42.29 | gcbirzan | It tries to remove initrdt-tools, though. heh. |
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| 14:42.50 | themill | initrd-tools is replaced by initramfs-tools |
| 14:43.23 | gcbirzan | http://208.78.101.115/~gcbirzan/upgrade/install.txt |
| 14:44.03 | gcbirzan | It's, agruably, better, but it still tries to remove stuff it shouldn't... |
| 14:44.28 | bullgard4 | What do P, N, L, S, E mean in http://paste.debian.net/36920? |
| 14:44.31 | themill | gcbirzan: do you have non-debian repos in there? (or perhaps in the past?) |
| 14:44.50 | \amethyst | has anyone run into problems with sun-java5-bin on debian-live looking for stuff under /filesystem.squashfs/ ? |
| 14:44.57 | gcbirzan | Just the etch (had sarge before, duh :-P) and security. |
| 14:45.31 | themill | bullgard4: man udevinfo sort of has the answer: name symlink path env all |
| 14:45.47 | themill | bullgard4: (I think!) |
| 14:45.56 | bullgard4 | themill: Thank you. |
| 14:46.34 | themill | gcbirzan: nothing from dotdeb or backports etc in the past then.... hmmm.... |
| 14:46.40 | gcbirzan | Nope. |
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| 14:47.03 | themill | gcbirzan: what does the first aptitude upgrade do? |
| 14:47.52 | gcbirzan | themill: Ah, upgrade a the rest of the stuff... I don't remember, I did that ages ago, I just now got around to finishing it. |
| 14:48.06 | gcbirzan | themill: This is a vserver mind you, not sure if it's not because of lacking kernel package or whatnot. |
| 14:48.14 | gcbirzan | But, hm, gotta run now for a few minutes. Be right back. |
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| 14:51.02 | fastputty | hi, i can ping my gateway but i cannot ping the internet |
| 14:51.09 | fastputty | soemoen got an idea |
| 14:51.39 | themill | i've got an idea that's close to beer o'clock.... does that count? |
| 14:51.47 | liable | yes! |
| 14:51.59 | Atilla | fastputty, routes/firewall ? :) |
| 14:52.02 | petemc | fastputty: do you have a UG line in the output of "route" |
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| 14:54.01 | abrotman | Uber-Good ? |
| 14:54.10 | abrotman | !tell fqh about root |
| 14:54.12 | xand | fastputty: what's the output of "route -n" |
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| 14:58.02 | fastputty | petemc: my route is working perfectly |
| 14:58.10 | fastputty | i have other system connect tothis gateway and it work fine |
| 14:58.15 | fastputty | i just install anew debian ina nother pc |
| 14:58.18 | fastputty | and now i cnant go in the net |
| 14:58.23 | petemc | fastputty: doesnt sound like it is |
| 14:58.33 | gvs | what's the standard system for Japanese input in debian? scim? |
| 14:58.35 | liable | yay, the new fglrx driver is out |
| 14:59.24 | fastputty | i did not install as standard system< |
| 15:00.10 | Ronin | fastputty: and how did you install ? |
| 15:00.22 | petemc | fastputty: you didnt answer my question |
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| 15:02.03 | fastputty | well i use net disk first and uncheck the stanard system |
| 15:02.06 | fastputty | at the end of the installation |
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| 15:03.53 | Jonah | n30-, hey are you still around? |
| 15:04.01 | fastputty | xand: the output of route -n pointed to my default gateway |
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| 15:04.19 | Athene | ciau |
| 15:04.19 | fastputty | petemc: what is UG line |
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| 15:04.36 | petemc | fastputty: do you see a line with UG in it? |
| 15:04.38 | petemc | ffs |
| 15:04.49 | xand | fastputty: pastebin |
| 15:06.06 | nico8481 | should i want to disable a service, should i disable it in all runlevels or only the "normal" one? |
| 15:06.15 | nico8481 | (i mean rc2d) |
| 15:06.21 | petemc | nico8481: update-rc.d |
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| 15:06.34 | gan | plz anyone help me how to install the printer driver |
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| 15:07.13 | nico8481 | petemc: i think my question applies to update-rc.d too :) |
| 15:07.22 | petemc | update-rc.d -f foo remove |
| 15:07.27 | petemc | as per the manpage |
| 15:07.56 | nico8481 | that deletes the links right? i thought it was better to rename them? |
| 15:08.18 | petemc | zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
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| 15:08.30 | petemc | rename them to what? |
| 15:09.12 | nico8481 | i mean whether from S to K or S to s (whatever convention the tool uses) |
| 15:09.27 | petemc | read that readme.. |
| 15:09.33 | gan | hello hi all, plz help me to install driver for printer in debian |
| 15:09.37 | nico8481 | i keep reading about the services being in a "floating state" if you delete the links |
| 15:09.47 | nico8481 | ok gonna read that one too... |
| 15:10.54 | fastputty | i cannot event go to the server, it said conection closed when i try o go with ssh |
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| 15:11.08 | fastputty | lol |
| 15:11.33 | Jonah | hi guys, someone was giving me a hand to compile amarok from source to install but it's needed loads of extra stuff installing and it removed some stuff i need so i've given up. is there a way to now tidy up all the stuff it installed but i don't need? |
| 15:11.43 | fastputty | UF = 0.0.0.0 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:11.55 | fastputty | petemc: UF = 0.0.0.0 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:12.24 | petemc | erm |
| 15:12.42 | petemc | can you pastbin in so its readable |
| 15:12.46 | petemc | s/in/it/ |
| 15:13.08 | abrotman | did r7 get released yet? |
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| 15:14.15 | abrotman | hrm .. guess not |
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| 15:14.37 | xda | anyone know the line to enable XV12 overlays with an ati card? |
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| 15:15.53 | fastputty | petemc: i cannot copy , it ion my console |
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| 15:16.20 | Jonah | is there a way to see what happens when booting, i've noticed i get a few errors here and there but it all goes by a bit quick and would be nice to have a look at a log file |
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| 15:16.36 | jduggan_ | camera? |
| 15:16.37 | fastputty | 0.0.0.0 192.168.3.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 15:16.38 | Jonah | also someone was giving me a hand to compile amarok from source to install but it's needed loads of extra stuff installing and it removed some stuff i need so i've given up. is there a way to now tidy up all the stuff it installed but i don't need? |
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| 15:16.47 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 15:16.48 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 15:19.50 | fastputty | petemc: i noticed tat all extrenal ip work |
| 15:19.55 | fastputty | petemc: but not the dns.. |
| 15:20.01 | fastputty | petemc: tat mean igot a problem with the dns =S |
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| 15:21.26 | petemc | fastputty: yes it does , fix /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 15:22.32 | fastputty | petemc works thaknsy ou |
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| 15:23.30 | fastputty | how can i reconfigure the apt-source |
| 15:23.37 | fastputty | it was apt-setup before in sarge version |
| 15:23.42 | fastputty | what is the new one? |
| 15:23.44 | JordiGH | It seems that GNOME can't switch user if I'm using kdm. Is there a work-around? |
| 15:23.52 | petemc | EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:24.07 | fastputty | but debian provide me already a few mirrors |
| 15:24.30 | fastputty | there no system to set it automatically |
| 15:24.44 | fastputty | damn i have to input it by hand -_- |
| 15:24.46 | fastputty | lol |
| 15:24.58 | geo-rge | welcome to debian |
| 15:24.58 | petemc | !comfort fastputty |
| 15:24.58 | dpkg | There, there, fastputty. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:25.16 | fastputty | apt-setup removed ? -_- |
| 15:25.24 | geo-rge | if most debian maints had their way there would be no x |
| 15:25.42 | petemc | bunkum |
| 15:25.43 | Ronin | geo-rge: on the contrary |
| 15:25.56 | geo-rge | there would be no shell?! |
| 15:26.10 | JordiGH | What's wrong with X? |
| 15:26.22 | JordiGH | I mean, besides the stuff in the Unix Hater's Handbook. |
| 15:26.26 | geo-rge | not saying there's anything wrong |
| 15:27.08 | JordiGH | !tell fastputty about apt-setup |
| 15:27.12 | dv_ | maybe X would be smaller, leaner, less convoluted |
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| 15:27.48 | geo-rge | well maybe it's that X is sort of an afterthought and there has'n been anything in x that has anywhere close to the power and flexibility of the shell |
| 15:27.52 | JordiGH | The weird thing for modern machines is that X is a network protocol, not a GUI. |
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| 15:28.11 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Konqueror! |
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| 15:28.32 | dv_ | geo-rge, that sort of stuff just doesnt belong in X |
| 15:28.41 | dv_ | it belons in an X11 program |
| 15:28.47 | dv_ | let x just be the server |
| 15:29.06 | geo-rge | oh, you mean in a client program |
| 15:29.09 | geo-rge | that's what I mean |
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| 15:29.49 | dv_ | a command line has the ability for expression that a GUI driven app just cannot reach |
| 15:30.01 | dv_ | and vice-versa (try painting with the command line) |
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| 15:30.13 | geo-rge | but my earlier point was really that debian maints have this resistance against having gui nicities |
| 15:30.19 | dv_ | I wonder why some apps dont mix them, like maya does |
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| 15:30.32 | JordiGH | geo-rge: No we don't! |
| 15:30.36 | JordiGH | !info qtoctave |
| 15:31.07 | geo-rge | yes, you do... otherwise there would be a LOT more work in that area over the years |
| 15:31.20 | JordiGH | !maint qtoctave |
| 15:31.22 | JordiGH | There has been! |
| 15:31.36 | dv_ | geo-rge, one could sa that this is what ubuntu is for :D |
| 15:31.38 | JordiGH | E.g. the installgui option in the Debian installer. |
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| 15:31.44 | dpkg | qtoctave: (A Qt front-end to Octave), section math, is optional. Version: 0.5.1+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 394 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 15:31.44 | dpkg | qtoctave: Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <jordigh@gmail.com> |
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| 15:32.06 | geo-rge | dv_: now there is a confirmation of my point |
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| 15:32.14 | dv_ | just joking dude |
| 15:32.28 | geo-rge | ok :) |
| 15:33.02 | Jonah | my boot up is pretty slow and i have like battery modules in there when i don't have a laptop,can anyone look at it for me and advise: http://forum.elivecd.org/read.php?5,656,656#msg-656 |
| 15:33.04 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Hang out in #debian-devel in OFTC. Changes and improvement discussions for the GUI happen there all the time. E.g. the new menu system improvements. |
| 15:34.04 | geo-rge | the menu system as far as I understand it is an abstraction meant to allow the menus to exist in multiple contexts |
| 15:34.26 | JordiGH | Just to have a sane Debian menu. |
| 15:34.30 | ggghhh20 | wtf |
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| 15:34.38 | ggghhh20 | apt-get install autoconf doesnt work |
| 15:34.39 | dv_ | the debian menu is a very good idea |
| 15:34.40 | ggghhh20 | 404 |
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| 15:34.57 | geo-rge | ggghhh20: try apt-get update :P |
| 15:35.20 | dv_ | it saves you trouble configuring your wm's menu |
| 15:35.27 | ggghhh20 | geo-rge: did that |
| 15:35.37 | geo-rge | just now? |
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| 15:36.04 | trravas | hey |
| 15:36.08 | JordiGH | geo-rge: I have a small Debian network setup here in the undergrad computer lab with 8 machines, because I like better administrating a Debian system, and because the kids are loving Beryl. :-) |
| 15:36.40 | trravas | ok so im on ubuntu right now and find it to be bloated and ridiculous, is debian better? |
| 15:36.52 | geo-rge | I dunno... |
| 15:36.56 | pickcoder | better is subjective |
| 15:36.58 | geo-rge | install it and see |
| 15:37.07 | trravas | not if i was referring to ubuntu being bloated |
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| 15:37.21 | geo-rge | better than what... ubuntu I guess.... better for what? |
| 15:37.23 | Luminax | better is subjective :3 |
| 15:37.25 | dante_1core | hello everyone |
| 15:37.27 | JordiGH | trravas: bloated? |
| 15:37.33 | dante_1core | i have some serious trouble :( |
| 15:37.37 | JordiGH | trravas: What do you mean by "bloated"? |
| 15:37.37 | Luminax | hey, at least it's not Windows :( |
| 15:37.43 | trravas | yah, it is using up like 600 megabytes of ram |
| 15:37.45 | trravas | doing nothing |
| 15:37.46 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 15:37.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:37.49 | JordiGH | !free |
| 15:37.49 | dpkg | hmm... free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 15:37.54 | dante_1core | I updated my debian etch to lenny recently |
| 15:37.54 | JordiGH | Er.... |
| 15:38.05 | JordiGH | !free memory |
| 15:38.05 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 15:38.06 | dante_1core | and since then, my intel graphics won't get any DRI anymore |
| 15:38.17 | geo-rge | dante_1core: and you backed up your hd before you did that, right? |
| 15:38.21 | dante_1core | no |
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| 15:38.30 | chops | dante_1core: Revert to the old i810 driver |
| 15:38.31 | Luminax | Free RAM is wasted RAM heh |
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| 15:38.32 | JordiGH | trravas: Factoid above about free memory. Having all RAM used is GOOD. Linux uses your memory very smartly. |
| 15:38.35 | Luminax | I couldn't agree more |
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| 15:38.39 | geo-rge | is your /home on a separate partition? |
| 15:38.45 | dante_1core | geo-rge: no |
| 15:38.49 | chops | dante_1core: The new "intel" driver is not particularly stable for me, and other people have also reported problems |
| 15:38.52 | \amethyst | trravas: what does the second line of free "(+/- buffers/cache)" say? |
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| 15:38.58 | dante_1core | chops: I read a lot about it |
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| 15:39.01 | dante_1core | and it keeps telling me: |
| 15:39.03 | geo-rge | downgrading is NOT supported |
| 15:39.09 | dante_1core | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 15:39.14 | pickcoder | geo-rge: maybe he doesn't want to downgrade |
| 15:39.19 | dante_1core | geo-rge: I do not want to downgrade |
| 15:39.22 | pickcoder | maybe he actually wants to debug the problem and fix it |
| 15:39.23 | dante_1core | i'm trying to get it working |
| 15:39.24 | chops | geo-rge: Neither is the new intel driver :-) |
| 15:39.25 | pickcoder | stop being an arse |
| 15:39.27 | ladydoor | Hi! How would I go about finding out what port a service is running on? I'd like to test the new (to testing) debtorrent package, but don't know where to find the port to put into my sources.list |
| 15:39.45 | dante_1core | direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 15:39.55 | dante_1core | darn, double-enter |
| 15:40.05 | dante_1core | anyway, I can't seem to be able to set libgl_debug to verbose |
| 15:40.06 | kdub432 | ladydoor: i think lsof will print out that information, but i'm not sure |
| 15:40.12 | dante_1core | it keeps telling me to set it to verbose :( |
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| 15:40.36 | JordiGH | ladydoor: Er... the debtorrent service is already running? |
| 15:40.40 | chops | dante_1core: Filing a bug in xorg's bugzilla will definitely be helpful, but if your desire is to get it working I would definitely recommend following that up by uninstalling xserver-xorg-video-intel and installing the old xserver-xorg-video-i810 with "dpkg -i" |
| 15:40.42 | geo-rge | ladydoor: lsof -i? |
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| 15:40.51 | techbee | ladydoor: man netstat |
| 15:40.55 | chops | dante_1core: I can even give you the .deb so you don't have to find it. Can you guess why I have it? :-) |
| 15:41.01 | [HaldriK] | hello |
| 15:41.01 | ladydoor | geo-rge: thanks |
| 15:41.06 | ladydoor | techbee: Thanks. |
| 15:41.07 | dante_1core | chops: lol |
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| 15:41.12 | dante_1core | chops: ok, give it to me |
| 15:41.13 | dante_1core | :D |
| 15:41.18 | chops | dante_1core: k, 1 sec |
| 15:41.19 | dante_1core | you can dcc |
| 15:41.20 | dante_1core | k |
| 15:41.27 | [HaldriK] | somebody know if squid3 on Debian Etch was compiled with delay pools support? |
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| 15:41.39 | dante_1core | but chops, wait a sec, I'll stop X first |
| 15:41.48 | geo-rge | dante_1core: it's suggesting you set an environment var |
| 15:41.52 | dante_1core | re |
| 15:41.53 | geo-rge | why? |
| 15:42.18 | dante_1core | geo-rge: I know. It wants me to make glxinfo more verbose |
| 15:42.41 | geo-rge | ok, when you do that, what happens? |
| 15:42.46 | dante_1core | i can't |
| 15:42.46 | JordiGH | There was a way to actually list all protocols and their default ports. What was it? |
| 15:42.51 | dante_1core | or it has no effect |
| 15:42.52 | pickcoder | [HaldriK]: let me check |
| 15:43.08 | geo-rge | show how you're trying |
| 15:43.11 | dante_1core | i tried "export LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose" |
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| 15:43.22 | pickcoder | erm.. never mind |
| 15:43.25 | dante_1core | and also "LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo" |
| 15:43.26 | frog | i'm trying to cross compile uclinux with:../gcc-3.2.2/configure --target=h8300-elf for hitachi edosk-2674, patched kernel 2.4.x. i'm getting the following error: h8300-elf-ld.real: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-h8300 (sctp_sm_statetable.o) to format elf32-h8300 (sctp.o) is not supported.anyone could give me any clue how can i fix this? |
| 15:43.31 | pickcoder | I gave up on the etch package and built from source |
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| 15:43.36 | pickcoder | :/ |
| 15:43.36 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 15:43.41 | geo-rge | so it's not working |
| 15:43.45 | dante_1core | well |
| 15:43.47 | dante_1core | no change in the output |
| 15:43.54 | dante_1core | and it still tells me to set it to verbose |
| 15:43.57 | [HaldriK] | pickcoder: ?? |
| 15:44.07 | dante_1core | chops: you still there? :D |
| 15:44.11 | pickcoder | [HaldriK]: I had issues with X-forward-for not working on Etch |
| 15:44.18 | ebw` | Where is the debian boot procedure documented? |
| 15:44.23 | pickcoder | so I downloaded the lastest source and compiled it under /usr/local/ |
| 15:44.44 | [HaldriK] | umm ok |
| 15:44.54 | pickcoder | I coulda built a package, but it's just a web proxy box |
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| 15:45.14 | [HaldriK] | pickcoder: how I can know this |
| 15:45.14 | pickcoder | [HaldriK]: your best bet is to obtain the package source |
| 15:45.16 | [HaldriK] | ? |
| 15:45.19 | pickcoder | and look at the makefile |
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| 15:46.35 | pickcoder | I.E.: apt-get source squid3 |
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| 15:46.51 | pickcoder | which will download the tar/gz to the CWD |
| 15:47.18 | [HaldriK] | pickcoder: ok |
| 15:47.21 | pickcoder | if it's not enabled, and you don't need X-forward-for |
| 15:47.29 | pickcoder | you can recompile it and rebundle it |
| 15:47.40 | pickcoder | then install the .dev |
| 15:47.41 | pickcoder | .deb |
| 15:47.41 | trravas | i'll tell you one thing, i love apt |
| 15:47.59 | dante_1core | chops: yo? :D you can alsojust give me the link |
| 15:48.05 | liable | ~love trravas |
| 15:48.06 | apt | If you love trravas so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 15:48.13 | liable | apt: stupid bot |
| 15:48.14 | apt | Stupid human. |
| 15:48.44 | JordiGH | trravas: Did you figure out if you really had a memory leak or Linux was just using your RAM for disk cache? |
| 15:50.49 | Oyama | i'm trying to install rutilt, "./configure" uses pkg-config to look for package "gtk+-2.0" and says it doesn't find it, can i do something for it? what? |
| 15:50.57 | Oyama | i'm using debian lenny |
| 15:51.20 | \amethyst | Oyama: do you have libgtk2.0-dev installed? |
| 15:51.27 | pickcoder | Oyama: are you using aptitude to install it? |
| 15:51.34 | Oyama | dev, ok i try |
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| 15:52.01 | \amethyst | Oyama: if you're compiling something, you need the -dev packages for all the libraries it uses |
| 15:52.02 | chops | dante_1core: http://qix.demiurgestudios.com/~moise/xserver-xorg-video-i810_1.7.2-4_i386.deb |
| 15:52.11 | lexoplex | Normally, when I have a terminal (e.g. urxvt) and do e.g. "iceweasel &" from it, and then exit the terminal, the bg'ed process stays up. But under Gnome, when I exit the terminal, bg'ed processes are killed. How is that? |
| 15:52.17 | chops | dante_1core: I would recommend filing a bug in xorg's bugzilla if there isn't one there already |
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| 15:52.27 | chops | dante_1core: But I also wouldn't hold your breath for it to get fixes |
| 15:52.29 | chops | *fixed |
| 15:52.31 | dante_1core | darn |
| 15:52.34 | dante_1core | chops: i'm in console |
| 15:52.41 | Oyama | \amethyst: right, i knew it... i need a coffee i guess |
| 15:52.42 | dante_1core | could you put the link into a file and send me then? |
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| 15:53.08 | ampex | is there a linux command dm, or dm-table, or something similar? |
| 15:53.18 | xand | what for? |
| 15:53.40 | ampex | to show raw partition/filesystem information? |
| 15:53.50 | geo-rge | every time, in any application, I try to open a file (and therefore open a file chooser dialog), the app just sits there and doesn't work anymore |
| 15:53.51 | Oyama | ampex: fdisk -l |
| 15:54.03 | \amethyst | lexoplex: what does shopt huponexit say in the two situations? |
| 15:54.07 | geo-rge | I'm running etch |
| 15:54.22 | chops | dante_1core: I don't think I can DCC. I'm running an ancient Windows build of gaim. |
| 15:54.29 | dante_1core | darn |
| 15:54.32 | dante_1core | wait i change to X |
| 15:54.42 | dante_1core | fine |
| 15:54.45 | dante_1core | re |
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| 15:55.05 | dante_1core | k, got it |
| 15:55.08 | dante_1core | going back to console |
| 15:55.49 | mbroeker | will put it into my calendar, dante_1core ... |
| 15:56.00 | lexoplex | \amethyst: Now, under Gnome, it says "off". But the iceweasel still goes when I close the terminal. |
| 15:56.09 | dante_1core | chops: no change. |
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| 15:56.27 | dante_1core | mbroeker: lol, k i quit spamming |
| 15:56.28 | \amethyst | lexoplex: close it how? typing "exit", or clicking the close button? |
| 15:56.43 | lexoplex | \amethyst: Clicking the button. |
| 15:57.03 | dante_1core | chops: I think this is a problem with the current glxinfo command. |
| 15:57.04 | chops | dante_1core: ? |
| 15:57.06 | dante_1core | and games rely on that |
| 15:57.14 | \amethyst | lexoplex: gnome-terminal is probably sending a HUP when you close it |
| 15:57.24 | \amethyst | lexoplex: you can disown the process to keep it from getting the HUP |
| 15:57.26 | dante_1core | chops: you see, tremulous (if you heard of that) is an opengl game, and it starts fine, and detects my intel card correctly |
| 15:57.32 | dante_1core | chops: but all other apps don't |
| 15:57.36 | chops | dante_1core: huh |
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| 15:57.57 | lexoplex | \amethyst: Mh, I use urxvt, and "exit" did what I wanted... |
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| 15:58.05 | dante_1core | chops: so i think the problem lies in meas |
| 15:58.06 | dante_1core | mesa* |
| 15:58.08 | chops | dante_1core: Well, if it doesn't work with the old driver, then I guess you can safely ignore my impassioned complaining and commence on searching for the actual problem :-) |
| 15:58.09 | \amethyst | lexoplex: in gnome-terminal, exit should do what you want |
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| 15:58.46 | dante_1core | chops: lol, well you see, I seem to have hit some bad problem here, since I fucked up my pango with the same update there |
| 15:58.58 | dante_1core | no single GTK app will start anymore, and nobody can help me :( |
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| 16:00.08 | lexoplex | \amethyst: Yeah, but I don't use gnome-terminal. So clicking the close button does what exactly? Send SIGKILL? |
| 16:00.09 | liable | meh, the new fglrx is as crap as the old |
| 16:00.11 | dante_1core | chops: and this... really sucks. |
| 16:00.17 | \amethyst | lexoplex: it sends SIGHUP to the shell |
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| 16:00.35 | \amethyst | lexoplex: the shell responds by sending SIGHUP to all jobs |
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| 16:00.57 | lexoplex | \amethyst: I see. But that's what might be different from plain WMs like FVWM, right? |
| 16:01.01 | \amethyst | lexoplex: disowning a job will make it no longer a job, so the shell doesn't try to hup it |
| 16:01.18 | \amethyst | lexoplex: It should be a matter of the terminal emulator, not the window manager |
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| 16:01.39 | \amethyst | lexoplex: I see the same behaviour in urxvt and xterm: closing the window with the close button sends SIGHUP to all the jobs |
| 16:02.00 | chops | dante_1core: Checked the BTS for that problem? Also, welcome to testing :-/ |
| 16:02.13 | \amethyst | typing "exit" does not, unless huponexit is set |
| 16:02.18 | dante_1core | chops: I did, I even wrote to the mailing list |
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| 16:02.45 | dante_1core | and about unstable... it's actually pretty stable on my desktop |
| 16:02.54 | dante_1core | but that gtk thing is soooo weird. |
| 16:02.55 | chops | dante_1core: Filed a bug? |
| 16:03.01 | dante_1core | chops: against what package? |
| 16:03.12 | \amethyst | dante_1core: do you maybe have a corruped font cache? |
| 16:03.13 | chops | dante_1core: If you suspect it's a pango thing, then the pango lib package |
| 16:03.27 | dante_1core | chops: i downgraded all pango libs |
| 16:03.30 | dante_1core | upgraded again |
| 16:03.33 | dante_1core | reconfigured them |
| 16:03.38 | dante_1core | even recieved a new version |
| 16:03.41 | dante_1core | no change at all |
| 16:03.43 | \amethyst | dante_1core: does this happen for all users, or just you? |
| 16:03.52 | dante_1core | \amethyst: just me. |
| 16:04.05 | \amethyst | dante_1core: try rm ~/.fontconfig/* |
| 16:04.08 | dante_1core | the question is, how to track the error to it's core? |
| 16:04.10 | dante_1core | aah |
| 16:04.13 | dante_1core | you mean like that |
| 16:04.14 | dante_1core | all users. |
| 16:04.16 | lexoplex | \amethyst: How do you disown a job? |
| 16:04.21 | \amethyst | lexoplex: disown %1 |
| 16:04.30 | dante_1core | \amethyst: it happens to all users. |
| 16:04.32 | dante_1core | error is: |
| 16:04.43 | dante_1core | Pango-ERROR **: file pangofc-fontmap.c: line 438 (pango_fc_font_map_add): assertion failed: (fcfont->fontmap == NULL) |
| 16:04.50 | lexoplex | \amethyst: Thanks. |
| 16:04.51 | simonrvn | that's not a system directory |
| 16:05.13 | simonrvn | *that* however would matter |
| 16:05.25 | dante_1core | I haven't found any pangofc-fontmap.c anywhere |
| 16:05.47 | simonrvn | it'sa function in that file in the source code |
| 16:05.48 | dante_1core | so, \amethyst or chops, how do I... rebuild the pango thing? |
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| 16:06.17 | \amethyst | pango is a bit beyond me... I should learn it sometime, but I haven't done so yet |
| 16:06.20 | simonrvn | it's called a bug. it's trying to assert something and (obviously) failing |
| 16:06.32 | dante_1core | simonrvn: but why do only I get that bug? |
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| 16:06.55 | dante_1core | i have other boxes having the same debian unstable, same version of the pango libs |
| 16:07.00 | dante_1core | and they don't have any problem |
| 16:07.02 | \amethyst | dante_1core: I still suspect it's some kind of system-wide font cache etc that got corrupted |
| 16:07.12 | simonrvn | i don't know whether or not only you gets it, you won't know until you find out |
| 16:07.18 | \amethyst | dante_1core: The error's happening because it's detecting that that file is bad |
| 16:07.29 | dante_1core | \amethyst: so what to do? |
| 16:07.39 | simonrvn | fc-cache -vf will clear the system cache if done as root |
| 16:07.44 | dante_1core | ok |
| 16:07.50 | zenwryly | I'm trying to come to understand what the limits are on how much I can secure a server provided by a hosting provider, especially a virtualized server. Specifically I've been looking at LUKS and encrypted block devices and such. I take it there's no way to prevent an attacker who has access to the hardware from getting access to the encrypted data once I've unlocked it on boot? |
| 16:07.54 | simonrvn | er, drop the -v that's verbose |
| 16:08.09 | dante_1core | same error, still |
| 16:08.18 | simonrvn | you can run that as a user to clear your user's cache |
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| 16:08.41 | dante_1core | anything to restart then? |
| 16:08.44 | simonrvn | yeh, it's 2 different things, though pango hjandles fonts (i think via fontconfig) |
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| 16:08.45 | dante_1core | xserver? |
| 16:08.55 | simonrvn | why? |
| 16:09.05 | dante_1core | dk, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1: caching, 0 fonts, 0 dirs |
| 16:09.11 | dante_1core | ... made me think so |
| 16:09.12 | melvin | hello, |
| 16:09.17 | simonrvn | ignore |
| 16:09.20 | dante_1core | k |
| 16:09.26 | dante_1core | still no change |
| 16:09.37 | melvin | i have some trouble using nscd: no host get inserted http://paste.debian.net/36928 |
| 16:09.54 | dante_1core | simonrvn: i also have other errors in other gtk apps, like: |
| 16:09.55 | dante_1core | ImportError: /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0: undefined symbol: pango_fc_font_create_metrics_for_context |
| 16:09.57 | simonrvn | just means no fonts are there that 0 fonts 0 dirs |
| 16:10.16 | dante_1core | i reinstalled the package owning that file, naturally. |
| 16:10.18 | simonrvn | dante_1core: did you happen to mix debian versions or something? |
| 16:10.29 | dante_1core | well, i upgraded to lenny at some time |
| 16:10.32 | dante_1core | :\ |
| 16:10.37 | dante_1core | but that was earlier |
| 16:10.51 | dante_1core | ahyou mean... from different mirrors of different versions? |
| 16:11.20 | simonrvn | !+info libpango1.0-0 lenny |
| 16:11.20 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:11.29 | melvin | etch release. nscd verision: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 |
| 16:11.32 | simonrvn | different mirrors won't matter |
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| 16:12.00 | dpkg | libpango1.0-0: (Layout and rendering of internationalized text), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.18.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 287 kB, Installed size: 796 kB |
| 16:12.01 | simonrvn | melvin: you usually don't want host caching, it's potentially dangerous |
| 16:12.15 | simonrvn | same version as sid... |
| 16:12.33 | UngeniO | [HaldriK]: Bueno ya he iniciado la sesión con konversation .. |
| 16:12.34 | dante_1core | did you see the second error i posted, simonrvn ? |
| 16:12.35 | melvin | simonrvn: i the first dns server fails, dns lookup take long time and slow doen the server |
| 16:12.54 | dante_1core | i also get segfaults with other gtk apps... but all only since that update. |
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| 16:13.13 | simonrvn | dante_1core: do dpkg -l '*pango*' and paste bin that somewhere |
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| 16:13.46 | simonrvn | melvin: that won't be nscd, fix your caching NS ;) |
| 16:14.05 | dante_1core | http://pastebin.com/m722174f7 |
| 16:14.06 | downhillgames | apparently apt-get is broken for me in 4.0r1. |
| 16:14.24 | downhillgames | apt-get install <whatever> either comes up not found (even tho it does exist) or with dep errors |
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| 16:14.40 | downhillgames | i'm using main contrib non-free |
| 16:14.51 | downhillgames | updates and Release |
| 16:15.25 | dante_1core | simonrvn: if you didn't see it coz i did not hilite... http://pastebin.com/m722174f7 |
| 16:15.26 | melvin | simonrvn: i have to dns server in my resolv.conf. if the first fails the ping to a otger server takes seconds because of the timeout. so i try to use nscd as dns cache |
| 16:15.28 | downhillgames | i tried apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install <random test packages here> |
| 16:15.34 | downhillgames | any ideas what is wrong? |
| 16:15.42 | UngeniO | [HaldriK]: en fin, se te ocurre alguna cosa mas que deba mirar ? |
| 16:15.57 | Ronin | downhillgames: pastebin.ca your sources.list |
| 16:16.01 | simonrvn | dante_1core: hrm, looks ok |
| 16:16.12 | Ronin | !es |
| 16:16.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:16.18 | downhillgames | Ronin; will do |
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| 16:16.26 | dante_1core | simonrvn: I also tried the version i used to have of both installed libs, and nothing |
| 16:16.36 | simonrvn | dante_1core: i'd suggest going to see the bts, since i believe other people have experienced this |
| 16:16.38 | melvin | simonrvn: is there any other way to solve this problem? |
| 16:16.48 | dante_1core | simonrvn: ahm... ok, and what to look for? |
| 16:17.08 | simonrvn | libpango1.0-0 |
| 16:17.22 | simonrvn | the source package would be |
| 16:17.48 | downhillgames | Ronin; http://slexy.org/paste/4817 |
| 16:17.52 | simonrvn | pango1.0 |
| 16:18.09 | simonrvn | melvin: change dns servers |
| 16:18.29 | downhillgames | Ronin; that ending slash is a typo on the top line |
| 16:18.30 | Ronin | downhillgames: you only have a security source listed |
| 16:18.38 | simonrvn | doh! |
| 16:18.39 | dante_1core | i've actually looked there, simonrvn, but not found anything yet |
| 16:18.46 | edistar_ | how do I check how much space I have left on my hdd? without counting the nfs? |
| 16:18.46 | downhillgames | Ronin; what do i add then? |
| 16:18.54 | simonrvn | dante_1core: nothing filed under pango1.0? |
| 16:18.55 | Ronin | !tell downhillgames about sources |
| 16:18.57 | downhillgames | Ronin; i'm us.debian.org? |
| 16:19.00 | dante_1core | no |
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| 16:19.17 | downhillgames | 100% unhelpful |
| 16:19.21 | dante_1core | wait |
| 16:19.22 | dante_1core | ok |
| 16:19.24 | melvin | simonrvn: the dns server are for local name resolution. |
| 16:19.24 | dante_1core | simonrvn: wait. |
| 16:19.38 | Ronin | downhillgames: no its helpful, you just need to use i believe the mirrors trigger |
| 16:20.01 | simonrvn | melvin: well they shouldn't be timing out, you need to get your admin(s) to look at it |
| 16:20.04 | Ronin | or not heh |
| 16:20.09 | dante_1core | simonrvn: nothing really... |
| 16:20.14 | downhillgames | ;) |
| 16:20.15 | simonrvn | dante_1core: file a bug then. describe everything as best you can, with error outputs |
| 16:20.18 | dante_1core | simonrvn: but it seems to be on my box only |
| 16:20.22 | dante_1core | simonrvn: do it anyway? |
| 16:20.26 | Ronin | basically you need to add sources to your sources.list |
| 16:20.27 | downhillgames | Ronin; http://www.debian.org/mirror/list i got it. thanks |
| 16:20.34 | downhillgames | i understand. still not helpful ;) |
| 16:20.42 | simonrvn | doesn't matter, corner cases often indicate something real |
| 16:20.44 | downhillgames | ftp.us.debian.org :D |
| 16:21.05 | dante_1core | simonrvn: I see... ok then. and about the opengl thing, i'll have to look further... |
| 16:21.13 | simonrvn | ogl? |
| 16:21.16 | melvin | simonrvn: normaly the run. but on hardware failure no one can do anything. because of that i have two dns server |
| 16:21.21 | dante_1core | talked about it before. |
| 16:21.33 | simonrvn | i missed it ;). i'll /lastlog |
| 16:21.43 | dante_1core | since the same update that crashed my pango stuff, my opengl is not working anymore, too |
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| 16:21.47 | dante_1core | well |
| 16:21.53 | dante_1core | it is, but mesa won't say it is. |
| 16:21.54 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 16:21.58 | dante_1core | glxinfo says direct rendering is off. |
| 16:22.04 | melvin | simonrvn: it seams, that libnss don't cache the last working dns server but use always first dns server in resolv.conf |
| 16:22.13 | simonrvn | that just could begl being fussy |
| 16:22.17 | dante_1core | yet, i can play tremulous with dri, and the logs of that game also output the info on the graphic card correct. |
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| 16:22.42 | dante_1core | I hope I don't have a system-wide linking problem or something... |
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| 16:23.08 | dante_1core | well fine then, thanks for your help simonrvn chops \amethyst, i'll return soon... |
| 16:23.11 | dante_1core | bye all |
| 16:23.58 | downhillgames | Ronin; maybe i don't got it ;) |
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| 16:24.34 | simonrvn | melvin: again, my own local dns servers work fine, you still need to go look at the ones you're using/admining |
| 16:24.49 | bkw | What vnc package is recommended if I want to be able to access my clients from home? |
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| 16:25.13 | downhillgames | Ronin; ah! ok! cool. thanks. i took out the updates part as that does no exist in that mirror. perhaps i should look for other mirrors as well ;) |
| 16:25.18 | downhillgames | like ftp.debian.org or something |
| 16:26.23 | downhillgames | one thing debian does better than the rest, undeniably, is the packaging. the website interface is great, etc.. |
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| 16:27.12 | melvin | simonrvn: ok. is there any solution on debian to get nscd working? |
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| 16:28.01 | simonrvn | it just does. if it's sticking stop it, kill it if still running, then start it again. but i very much doubt it's your nscd |
| 16:30.22 | grendal_prime | anyone else running postgresql ? |
| 16:30.54 | JordiGH | How does GNOME's switch user thing work? It needs gdm to work properly, right? |
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| 16:32.10 | ezguy | is there a way to tell forcedeth driver to use full duplex instead auto? |
| 16:32.16 | Gathond | grendal_prime: yes |
| 16:32.25 | NikoK | JordiGH: i guess it doesn't matter what desktop manager you're using, should work in kdm or xdm as well |
| 16:32.38 | grendal_prime | Gathond: cool, what version? |
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| 16:32.43 | Gathond | 8.2 |
| 16:32.56 | Siddharta | if you would need to install a BTS which one would you choose Mantis or Bugzilla ? |
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| 16:33.44 | geo-rge | since I already have an openacs site, I'd probably pick its bug-tracker |
| 16:33.46 | JordiGH | NikoK: Well, it currently doesn't work in Gnome, only in KDE, and I'm using kdm. |
| 16:34.01 | grendal_prime | the reason i ask is that i have several servers that are running 8.1 and i am doing some tsearch databases..but with 8.1 you only have gist. 8.2 alows for gin..(which is aparently much faster) but i dont knwo how cleanly it upgrades to 8.2 |
| 16:34.06 | JordiGH | NikoK: E.g. you can't switch off the computer from Gnome menus if you're using kdm either. |
| 16:34.15 | NikoK | i see |
| 16:34.18 | chops | ezguy: Try ethtool and mii-tool |
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| 16:34.36 | Jygzy- | Has anyone tried RSA SecurID Tokens on Debian? |
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| 16:34.51 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 16:34.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 16:36.44 | Jygzy- | I have a problem with RSA SecurID Tokens; I'm running Debian version Etch. When i try to do read manual I get the following output Only for RedHat. I expected it to support all Linux Distributions |
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| 16:37.25 | Aleksej | hi |
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| 16:38.58 | gabby | How to I remove a package via the command line, so that not only is the package gone, but all the config files, every last trace? with apt? |
| 16:39.09 | dante_2core | purge |
| 16:39.11 | dante_2core | apt-get purge |
| 16:39.13 | urv | gabby: purge |
| 16:39.13 | Gathond | grendal_prime: don't know there, I do know it requires a dump/reload (as usual between versions) but I dont use tsearch2 |
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| 16:39.29 | gabby | dan urv - THAT'S IT! I remember now |
| 16:39.45 | gabby | umm.. I meant to say dante_2core and urv! |
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| 16:40.11 | dante_2core | :D |
| 16:40.39 | dante_2core | gabby, try apt-get --help and look at the output if you forget it again |
| 16:41.19 | JordiGH | Jygzy-: It doesn't look like anything related to securid is in Debian. I guess you may be able to hack the RedHat sources to work with Debian. |
| 16:41.47 | ezguy | chops: try ethtool and mii-tool did work. Can the forcedeth work be set to full duplex? |
| 16:41.48 | Jygzy- | :D |
| 16:42.03 | chops | ezguy: ? |
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| 16:42.10 | Jygzy- | JordiGH i think RSA keeps their Sources secure |
| 16:42.39 | moshii | I have a dedi box with some guys in germany.. thing is it has two SATA disks, they've installed the system on one of the disks, but I'd like to software RAID them, is it possible to convert a standard disk to raid? |
| 16:42.47 | Jygzy- | i just received free Key Chain Tokens from RSA so it would be nice to get them work |
| 16:42.53 | JordiGH | Jygzy-: You mean, by publishing it for the scrutiny of everyone? |
| 16:43.10 | Jygzy- | its Closed Source i think |
| 16:43.16 | JordiGH | Jygzy-: Then it's offtopic. ;-) |
| 16:43.23 | Jygzy- | :< |
| 16:43.29 | JordiGH | And security by obscurity is the dumbest security ever. |
| 16:43.35 | urv | does make-kpkg allow to maintan more than one config file? i want to build more than one kernel image package from the _same_ kernel source - without deleting the object files |
| 16:43.51 | Jygzy- | i don't know what obscurity is :< |
| 16:44.17 | gabby | dante_2core: Thanks man, I really broke my Mysql install - need to start again, and install the backups before anyone realise that I screwed up the config! |
| 16:44.30 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 16:44.35 | dante_2core | no problem |
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| 16:45.11 | JordiGH | Jygzy-: Most security analysts would agree with you that the best kind of security is where everyone is free to analyse your system (except obvious parts like the actual private RSA keys you use). Security by obscurity is not even telling us how your security system works. |
| 16:45.21 | JordiGH | Er, agree with one if you said that... |
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| 16:50.33 | Ronin | not sure how a key chain token is security through obsecurity though, less i missed something again :) |
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| 16:50.42 | jelly | urv: man kernel-pkg.conf ---> do_clean may help |
| 16:50.47 | cast | hmm, just so i've gotten this right, i'm running dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, its asking me to enter a list of ip addresses for the exim smtp listener dameon to listen on, the default is 127.0.0.1, thus not allowing external connections, if i want to receive email on this host [thats been emailed to user@host] i should just remove 127.0.0.1 and leave it blank, right? |
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| 16:51.04 | twobitsprite | for some reason, I have used the gui thinger to change my IP address to a static one, but it keeps getting a dhcp address... |
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| 16:51.29 | cast | 'IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections:' is the exact question |
| 16:51.39 | Ronin | he gui thinger? |
| 16:52.06 | twobitsprite | yeah, the thing in the gnome menu under "System" |
| 16:52.32 | rvsjoen | any ideas on apt-get segfaulting, I've tried deleting the .bin files in apt cache and running apt-get update without any luck |
| 16:52.34 | twobitsprite | gksu |
| 16:52.43 | twobitsprite | er |
| 16:52.47 | urv | jelly: thnx but this is exactly what i don't want to do. it would be great to be able to separate the different object files and config files in different diretories (something like the "mae O=..." switch) |
| 16:52.48 | twobitsprite | "network-admin" |
| 16:52.51 | cast | rvsjoen: start using aptitude? |
| 16:53.16 | rvsjoen | that's what I was going to install when apt-get started getting segfaults |
| 16:53.19 | Jonah | hi can anyone please tell me how to add backport repo, my etch system could do with a few newer apps on it |
| 16:53.24 | Jonah | like open office for instance |
| 16:53.28 | urv | jelly: "mae" should be "make" |
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| 16:53.43 | cast | Jonah: check out backports.org, theres docs there to tell you how |
| 16:53.46 | Jonah | but do i need a sid backport or an etch one or a lenny one? |
| 16:53.54 | cast | !tell Jonah about bpo |
| 16:54.42 | jelly | urv: ah! No idea if make-kpkg supports that. |
| 16:56.24 | vnWrK | anyone knows (I know it might not be the channel for that) if I could run a vm emulaitng a 486dx2/66 and pointing the contents of the HD to a specific directory on the actual system? say to play old games... |
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| 16:57.10 | JordiGH | vnWrK: Would dosbox do the trick? |
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| 16:57.14 | JordiGH | !info dosbox |
| 16:57.16 | dpkg | dosbox: (A x86 emulator with Tandy/Herc/CGA/EGA/VGA/SVGA graphics, sound and DOS), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.71-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 652 kB, Installed size: 2064 kB |
| 16:57.58 | vnWrK | uhm lets see that then :) |
| 16:57.58 | vnWrK | hope it works in console mode |
| 16:57.58 | JordiGH | Of course it does. |
| 16:57.58 | JordiGH | It's DOS! |
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| 16:59.16 | vnWrK | hah |
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| 16:59.25 | vnWrK | so I could play commander keen over ssh! |
| 16:59.31 | pickcoder | erm.. no |
| 16:59.37 | vnWrK | :-( |
| 16:59.44 | pickcoder | unless you know of a way to forward frame buffers |
| 16:59.45 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:59.55 | twobitsprite | keep uses vga graphics, not text |
| 16:59.57 | vnWrK | You ruined my day. |
| 17:00.01 | vnWrK | :p |
| 17:00.02 | ezguy | chops: try ethtool and mii-tool didn't work. Can the forcedeth work be set to full duplex? |
| 17:00.21 | vnWrK | I'll try that on my laptop, its actually installing openSuSe at work |
| 17:00.23 | twobitsprite | (btw, thank you for reminding me, it's been years since I've played keen and I really shold break it out again) |
| 17:00.25 | vnWrK | errr home |
| 17:00.27 | pickcoder | and gets beaten reguarly |
| 17:00.31 | vnWrK | (I use debian for my server) |
| 17:00.47 | vnWrK | pickcoder: wtf, you didn,t finish that game YET? |
| 17:01.00 | pickcoder | I had to cheat to finish it the first time |
| 17:01.11 | twobitsprite | vnWrK: a , is a poor stand in for a ' |
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| 17:02.17 | Jonah | why after adding backports do i refresh and press mark upgrades there aren't any? |
| 17:02.26 | vnWrK | twobitsprite: meh...mistype, missed the keypress on shift |
| 17:02.33 | vnWrK | cf kb layout |
| 17:02.35 | JordiGH | Jonah: because backports are pinned by default to not be upgrades. |
| 17:02.58 | JordiGH | Jonah: You have to explicitly request backports to be installed. They aren't upgrades. |
| 17:03.00 | cast | Jonah: aptitude -t etch-backports install whateverpkgyouwant |
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| 17:03.09 | vnWrK | well I hope y'all tried Day of the Tentacle at least |
| 17:03.13 | Jonah | JordiGH, ah so how can i see them in synaptic? |
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| 17:03.30 | JordiGH | Jonah: They should be there in synaptic. You'll have to manually find them. |
| 17:04.15 | Jonah | JordiGH, but like wine comes up in synaptic and just says the old version... |
| 17:04.38 | JordiGH | Hrm. It's been a while since I used synaptic. I don't know how to tell it to target a specific distro. |
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| 17:05.37 | Enigma | I need a newer version of xfsprocs. The released version is 2.9.4 and the package still has the 2.8.11-1. Wow can I get the latest version? |
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| 17:06.40 | JordiGH | Jonah: It looks like Synaptic doesn't have too fine control over this, so be careful with how you do it. At any rate, preferences -> distro tab -> prefer versions from and see if etch-backports is there (it should be). And don't install every damn backport, fer chrissakes. :-) |
| 17:06.52 | hochimoo | !spamassassin |
| 17:06.52 | dpkg | hmm... spamassassin is When upgrading perl 5.6.1 to perl 5.8, sa's Bayes database gets broken due to Berkeley db format changes. Upgrade it by apt-get install db4.1-util, then db4.1_upgrade bayes_seen and bayes_toks -- "file" command should now tell you both are "Hash, version 7, native byte-order" |
| 17:07.21 | JordiGH | !info xfsprocs sid |
| 17:07.57 | JordiGH | Enigma: What's xfsprocs? It doesn't seem to be in Debian. |
| 17:08.12 | geo-rge | progs |
| 17:08.21 | Enigma | http://packages.debian.org/etch/xfsprogs |
| 17:08.28 | Enigma | it contains xfs_repair |
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| 17:09.00 | grendal_prime | Gathond: hmmm so it does need a dump reload hu. I was hoping it didnt. |
| 17:09.05 | JordiGH | Enigma: In sid it's only 2.9.0. If you want newer, you'll have to compile yourself. :-/ |
| 17:09.25 | grendal_prime | ok well thanks... /me wonders if he did that when he upgraded the last time |
| 17:09.31 | Enigma | ok that sucks :( ok how can I do that? |
| 17:10.10 | JordiGH | Enigma: Go to the xfsprogs site, download source, read the install docs, if it follows the GNU build system, ./configure && make and optionally make install as root. |
| 17:10.18 | Gathond | grendal_prime: iirc all postgresql versions has required that |
| 17:10.24 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 17:10.24 | dpkg | from memory, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 17:10.35 | simonrvn | fetch source package, text+fix debian diff, get build deps, build |
| 17:10.38 | geo-rge | JordiGH: -progs- not procs (it's there, he misspelled the package name) |
| 17:10.39 | Gathond | as the on disk format is not fixed |
| 17:10.43 | Enigma | ok |
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| 17:10.50 | JordiGH | geo-rge: Yeah, figured that out by now. |
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| 17:11.52 | grendal_prime | i just figured the package manager handled that..but to honest now that i think about it..usually when i upgrade that those servers..its because i get newer hardware..and i do a strait up new build...so ..i actually do a dump |
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| 17:12.21 | drwahl | i am looking for a tool to help me organize and rename my music library. does any one have any suggestions? |
| 17:12.33 | grendal_prime | amarock |
| 17:12.34 | geo-rge | grendal_prime: normally point releases don't need dump/restore, but going from 6.* to 7.* does |
| 17:12.52 | grendal_prime | right..so 8.1 to 8.2 ? |
| 17:13.08 | geo-rge | I don't believe that needs it |
| 17:13.15 | grendal_prime | hmm |
| 17:13.32 | grendal_prime | i have an extra server im gonna test it on |
| 17:13.41 | geo-rge | but... #postgresql is right around the corner as mentioned before :) and that is pretty squarely a question for there |
| 17:14.04 | geo-rge | that is the question of "do you need to dump/restore" |
| 17:14.15 | geo-rge | the question of "does the debian package do that" is for here |
| 17:14.17 | grendal_prime | ya im loged in there as well..i was just curriouse if the package manager for debian would handle it .. |
| 17:14.52 | geo-rge | usually it does when going between releases that require it |
| 17:15.28 | NiLon | how I can remove ability from user to use ssh but sftp should be accessible? |
| 17:15.45 | geo-rge | remove ssh |
| 17:15.53 | geo-rge | remove c compilre |
| 17:15.57 | NiLon | I still need ssh.. |
| 17:16.01 | geo-rge | but it's a waste of time |
| 17:16.12 | geo-rge | if shell access, you cannot deny that |
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| 17:16.51 | NiLon | how about if I change shell to /dev/null? :p |
| 17:16.56 | NiLon | sftp won't work? |
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| 17:17.03 | simonrvn | /bin/false |
| 17:17.15 | geo-rge | wait, I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 17:17.17 | simonrvn | or nologin |
| 17:17.29 | geo-rge | are you saying you don't want them to have access to the shell? |
| 17:17.43 | NiLon | yeah, I made probally poor question |
| 17:17.45 | geo-rge | or are you saying you want them to have shell access but not be able to ssh out |
| 17:17.47 | simonrvn | but like geo-rge said, if you allow shell / ssh access, you put up with it. either you do, or you don't. period. |
| 17:18.14 | geo-rge | so, which? :) |
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| 17:18.49 | NiLon | that user X can't use shell but he can use sftp |
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| 17:19.07 | simonrvn | doing that half-assed or half-way isn't possible, unless you wanna chroot every single user, or some dumb thing like that |
| 17:19.11 | NiLon | like, user can upload/download files but nothing else |
| 17:19.34 | NiLon | this is just for one user |
| 17:19.56 | geo-rge | will these files be accessable to other users? |
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| 17:21.40 | urv | do you recommend using debian testing on a web/file server? or shall i stay with etch/backports? |
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| 17:22.03 | urv | i know stupid question - asked a million times! sorry |
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| 17:22.14 | Ronin | urv: production server? |
| 17:22.16 | cast | use stable |
| 17:22.24 | urv | no just homeserver |
| 17:22.27 | NiLon | geo-rge um, maybe |
| 17:22.35 | Ronin | in that case testing should be ok for home |
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| 17:22.44 | infinity0 | uh, need help installing alsa-driver for debian, kind of |
| 17:22.51 | Ronin | just be aware that it too can have "problems" :) |
| 17:23.02 | dante_2c1re | i'd go for stable and then if it's too old, upgrade... urv |
| 17:23.02 | NiLon | geo-rge problem is just disable login to shell actually |
| 17:23.09 | NiLon | but I try that nologin thing |
| 17:23.25 | urv | ok :) thnx a lot! |
| 17:23.35 | abrotman | urv: what do you need that is newer ? |
| 17:23.42 | geo-rge | to summarize, you don't want them to be able to ssh into your machine |
| 17:23.45 | infinity0 | if i download alsa-driver 1.0.15rc1 and make -f debian/rules binary in my /usr/src folder and install the resulting .deb will i replace the existing version of it on my computer? |
| 17:24.01 | geo-rge | but you want them to be able to transfer files |
| 17:24.13 | geo-rge | and possibly these files will then be accessable to others |
| 17:24.15 | cast | infinity0: it will replace the pkg of the same name, yes |
| 17:24.18 | urv | abrotman: actually nothing at the moment - mythtv is in the backport and also the new kernel is maintained there |
| 17:24.27 | infinity0 | cast: right, thank you :) |
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| 17:24.34 | geo-rge | got it :) |
| 17:25.15 | urv | abrotman: i was just wondering. |
| 17:25.19 | cast | you are allowed - in email addresses right? |
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| 17:27.11 | infinity0 | what's the application name of the GNOME file browser? i want to run it via gksu |
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| 17:27.14 | cast | yes, you are |
| 17:27.18 | cast | [@ my question] |
| 17:27.24 | erpo | I need a utility that can convert ogg vorbis to mp3 or m4a files, preserving the title/artist/etc. and I would appreciate some recommendations. |
| 17:27.25 | cast | infinity0: nautilus |
| 17:27.30 | infinity0 | ahh thanks :) |
| 17:27.41 | cast | erpo: my recommendation is to get a better mp3 player :) |
| 17:27.41 | abrotman | urv: ultimately up to you |
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| 17:28.48 | JordiGH | Gnome has a funny habit of hiding the names of the apps it uses. |
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| 17:29.21 | erpo | cast: If you know of a vorbis player that can compete on features, capacity, and price with an iPod, please tell me. |
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| 17:30.03 | cast | erpo: what size ipod? |
| 17:30.22 | JordiGH | The guys who did the Rio also had some Ogg players. |
| 17:30.24 | simonrvn | ipod does *-vorbis now? |
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| 17:30.38 | simonrvn | JordiGH: hmm |
| 17:30.38 | JordiGH | simonrvn: You've ever seen Vorbis inside something besides Ogg? |
| 17:30.49 | erpo | cast: It's a 30GB iPod Video (5G), but I would be happy with a 20GB player. |
| 17:30.54 | simonrvn | theora ;) |
| 17:31.02 | erpo | simonrvn: No, ipod does not do vorbis yet. |
| 17:31.12 | roxy_ | I want to use gui in a remote host that I can reach via a proxy. I did: ssh -L 1100:remote.com:22 proxy.com and then ssh -X -p 1100 localhost . It worked but I still get: Can't determine DISPLAY. Aborting. Why ? |
| 17:31.16 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Uh, isn't that technically Theora and Vorbis both inside Ogg? |
| 17:31.33 | erpo | JordiGH: Yes. |
| 17:31.39 | simonrvn | it's to distinguish them, no? |
| 17:31.52 | cast | erpo: and you want the video part? |
| 17:32.20 | JordiGH | simonrvn: My point was just about the "*-vorbis" construct, which seems to imply that people are interested in putting Vorbis inside avi files or something. |
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| 17:32.45 | erpo | cast: Yes I do, but I would be willing to give it up for vorbis support. |
| 17:32.47 | cast | '*The native iPod firmware doesn't support Ogg Vorbis. You can, however, install RockBox or iPodLinux on all iPod models (except for the Shuffle and Nano 2nd gen). RockBox supports tags, and a number of other formats. The larger iPod models have up to 80 GB HDDs.' oh...heh, ipod was listed on the vorbis supported hardware page..:) |
| 17:32.57 | JordiGH | roxy_: Wait, in what sense it worked if you can't open the GUI? |
| 17:33.00 | simonrvn | JordiGH: no i just meant ogg-vorbis or ogg-theora. i misquoted myself or whatever you call that |
| 17:33.09 | erpo | cast: Rockbox and iPodLinux are crashy trash. |
| 17:33.24 | erpo | cast: I have tried them both on my 4G ipod. |
| 17:33.34 | erpo | cast: Last time I checked, they don't even boot on my 5G ipod. |
| 17:33.45 | simonrvn | roxy_: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 17:33.55 | roxy_ | JordiGH: I could tunnel to remote using ssh -X -p localhost. Only the gui didn't work |
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| 17:35.49 | roxy_ | simonrvn: ssh -X works if I don't have to go via the proxy. Is it possible with tunneling ? |
| 17:36.12 | abrotman | cast: are you anywhere near boston ? |
| 17:36.20 | abrotman | !tell alexfranci about away |
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| 17:37.16 | cast | abrotman: i'm from australia, why do you ask? |
| 17:37.16 | Bluechip | I am seeking a utility which will "image" partitions and/or drives and store them on a network (preferably not using samba/smb) |
| 17:37.25 | simonrvn | roxy_: dunno haven't tried it, i don't see why not though |
| 17:37.25 | abrotman | cast: nevermind :) |
| 17:37.35 | Bluechip | is there a debian package which will help me? |
| 17:37.40 | abrotman | cast: but if you see my friend down there .. tell him to come home! |
| 17:37.41 | cast | erpo: that sucks @ rockbox not being reliable :\ |
| 17:38.03 | abrotman | cast: you could ask #rockbox |
| 17:38.26 | cast | ahh i care not for rockbox. i have a flash based player that plays vorbis fine out of the box :) |
| 17:38.50 | Bluechip | Rockbox is awesome! |
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| 17:39.00 | erpo | cast: Yeah, really. I spend maybe an hour installing it on my iPod, and it showed all my songs, and I could just copy files to the iPod like a hard disk and rockbox would find them and list them. I was crushed when it started crashing every 5 minutes. |
| 17:39.34 | erpo | cast: Not to mention the battery life. It was less than half of what the Apple firmware could do. :/ |
| 17:39.38 | Bluechip | if you go to #rockbox, Linus is probably the most helpful guy |
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| 17:40.14 | krazykit | hey now, we're all helpful in #rockbox |
| 17:40.28 | Bluechip | <- notice the nick |
| 17:40.44 | erpo | Bluechip: The last time I tried rockbox it was very crashy. Has that changed in the last six months? |
| 17:41.27 | Bluechip | such things are platform dependant - but there is ALWAYS work going on |
| 17:42.32 | Bluechip | 6 months is a Looong time in Rockbox'ville |
| 17:42.37 | erpo | Bluechip: Well, I'm about to give away my 4G. If it supports 5G iPods, I'll give the latest release another try. |
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| 17:42.57 | Bluechip | check the list on the front page rockbox.org |
| 17:42.59 | Bluechip | :) |
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| 17:44.12 | erpo | Bluechip: Thanks for the info. |
| 17:44.17 | Bluechip | np |
| 17:44.23 | erpo | Thanks all. Time for me to get back to class. Later. |
| 17:45.02 | rahsputin1974_ | Is there a way to take out broken parts in a file such as .avi |
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| 17:45.29 | Bluechip | virtualdub |
| 17:45.36 | rahsputin1974_ | ;) |
| 17:45.45 | cast | rahsputin1974_: could try mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -o copy.avi in.avi and see what happens, |
| 17:46.10 | Bluechip | ffmpeg is also a good set of tools - although I have never used them without a gui |
| 17:46.44 | cast | actually, maybe just copying and not encoding it isn't going to do anything...hmm, nvm, |
| 17:47.26 | rahsputin1974_ | well i am converting and resizing the file to .mpg |
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| 17:49.04 | Enigma | When I've built a newer version from source as the package version - how can I correctly install this new program? |
| 17:50.32 | jetscreamer | ffmpeg is easier on the command line than mplayer |
| 17:51.06 | jetscreamer | but i can get better quality out of mencoder s/mplayer/mencoder/ |
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| 17:51.15 | liable | hrm, my bash history went missing again |
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| 17:51.41 | Bluechip | logoff, log back on, check ~/.bash_history |
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| 17:52.17 | ggghhh20 | hey |
| 17:52.22 | ggghhh20 | why when i do apt-get autoconf |
| 17:52.26 | ggghhh20 | its a 404 |
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| 17:53.09 | abrotman | apt-get update first |
| 17:53.10 | jetscreamer | install ? |
| 17:53.12 | ggghhh20 | i did |
| 17:53.15 | ggghhh20 | yes |
| 17:53.16 | hark | try another mirror? |
| 17:53.17 | abrotman | apt-cache policy autoconf |
| 17:53.19 | ggghhh20 | apt-get install autoconf |
| 17:53.30 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search autoconf |
| 17:53.39 | abrotman | or show us your sources |
| 17:55.09 | ggghhh20 | http://phpfi.com/262491 |
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| 17:55.50 | abrotman | !info m4 lenny |
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| 17:55.53 | dpkg | m4: (a macro processing language), section interpreters, is standard. Version: 1.4.10-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 201 kB, Installed size: 460 kB |
| 17:56.05 | abrotman | ggghhh20: your sources are out of date |
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| 17:56.18 | cast | shame mencoder doesn't do theora||vorbis, always thought that somewhat odd. but then patents/'IP' don't seem to be something the mplayer lot have ever seen as much of an issue |
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| 17:56.20 | jetscreamer | deb ftp.us.debian.org |
| 17:56.28 | abrotman | ggghhh20: the mirror has the version shown above ... |
| 17:56.34 | abrotman | your system is looking for one that juts isn't there |
| 17:56.54 | NiLon | geo-rge not "them" just "him" :P |
| 17:57.15 | NiLon | geo-rge like fully normal account without shell access |
| 17:57.32 | ogzy | if i have more than one deb reposities in sources.list how can i make apt to install the package from a spesific one? |
| 17:57.38 | abrotman | ggghhh20: do you get any errors from apt-get update? what does apt-cache policy m4 say? how about /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:57.50 | abrotman | ogzy: same debian revision ? |
| 17:57.53 | dkr | ogzy: "pin" the package in apt/preferences |
| 17:58.07 | ogzy | dkr: ok |
| 17:58.23 | Eulex | !default-release |
| 17:58.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, default-release is put APT::Default-Release "foo"; in /etc/apt/apt.conf (create if needed) and replace foo with stable, testing, unstable, experimental or whatever. that will make foo the standard release that packages will be fetched from |
| 17:58.26 | Enigma | make[1]: ba: Command not found |
| 17:58.27 | abrotman | or use -t ? |
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| 17:58.35 | abrotman | Enigma: sheep ? |
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| 17:58.53 | Enigma | what is the ba executable? |
| 17:58.54 | Ronin | baaaaaa |
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| 17:59.02 | jr_ | would anyone know of a good dedicated server host that supports debian?> |
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| 17:59.20 | Enigma | in which package can I find it? |
| 17:59.26 | Enigma | ba --rcfile ./rpm-0.rc xfsprogs.spec |
| 17:59.28 | abrotman | !find bin/ba$ |
| 17:59.29 | Enigma | thats the call |
| 17:59.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/ba' returned no results. |
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| 18:00.46 | geo-rge | NiLon: so is it working? |
| 18:01.24 | NiLon | geo-rge I don't know, didin't have time to test before I got call :P |
| 18:01.32 | NiLon | *testing now* |
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| 18:02.03 | knighthk | Any easy way to force a fsck.ext3 -a on reboot? |
| 18:02.43 | jetscreamer | what is -a |
| 18:02.47 | jetscreamer | shutdown - |
| 18:03.04 | jetscreamer | shutdown -Fr now ? |
| 18:03.04 | liable | touch /forcefsck |
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| 18:03.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, can anyone please help me out with http://paste.debian.net/36938 ? |
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| 18:04.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've tried installing the kernel headers but it didn't seem to help |
| 18:04.12 | knighthk | thanks liable. How do I make sure it runs -aA - all the mounted fielsystems, AND autofix? (the server is remove) |
| 18:04.16 | liable | troubled: it went missing again! |
| 18:04.21 | knighthk | liable: sorry, remote* |
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| 18:04.55 | liable | knighthk: have a look in the fsch script in init.d |
| 18:04.57 | CreativeOne | Hello folks |
| 18:05.03 | jetscreamer | knighthk: does apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) do anything |
| 18:05.09 | fastputty | ? pastbin |
| 18:05.11 | CreativeOne | not too long ago there was an advice to upgrade debian 4 through apt, it was apt-upgrade security or something like that |
| 18:05.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, can anyone please help me out with http://paste.debian.net/36938 ? |
| 18:05.15 | CreativeOne | does anybody rememember? |
| 18:05.15 | liable | knighthk: sounds like fun forcing a fsck on a remote box :) |
| 18:05.16 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 18:05.16 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:05.28 | jetscreamer | err sorry not knighthk |
| 18:05.36 | jetscreamer | Dark_Apostrophe: does apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) do anything |
| 18:05.57 | knighthk | liable: hehe, not much else to do; / is mounted in read-only at the moment and it wouldn't be a catastrophe if fsck somehow borks it up |
| 18:05.59 | ggghhh20 | abrotman: no errors |
| 18:06.09 | abrotman | CreativeOne: read the release notes |
| 18:06.20 | knighthk | liable: I don't see a fsck in init.d (etch) |
| 18:06.21 | abrotman | ggghhh20: okay .. so post your sources.list and/or your apt-cache policy output |
| 18:06.26 | liable | knighthk: if its ro, you can fsck it now |
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| 18:06.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | linux-headers-2.6.22-2-amd64 is already the latest version |
| 18:06.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | linux-headers-2.6.22-2-amd64 set to manually installed. |
| 18:06.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | jetscreamer: |
| 18:07.07 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:07.17 | CreativeOne | anyone around? |
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| 18:07.33 | CreativeOne | There was a security advisory telling Debian 4.0 folks to run an "apt-get" command to apply a kind of service pack foe Debian |
| 18:07.33 | knighthk | liable: oh, I thought it had to be unmounted |
| 18:07.33 | abrotman | !release notes |
| 18:07.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/releasenotes |
| 18:07.37 | CreativeOne | does anybody know which command was it? |
| 18:07.50 | jetscreamer | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 18:07.53 | abrotman | CreativeOne: look through the DSAs at security.debian.org |
| 18:08.06 | liable | knighthk: oh, yeah, brain fart on my behalf |
| 18:08.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | jetscreamer: Whoa, that's not a few packages :o |
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| 18:08.45 | CreativeOne | http://www.debian.org/News/2007/20070817 |
| 18:08.46 | CreativeOne | that one |
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| 18:09.17 | CreativeOne | i just dont know which comamnd gets them all |
| 18:09.40 | cast | lol @ servicepack |
| 18:09.42 | byteshack | I have a funny keyboard, and I'm trying to find which key on it maps to mod5mask, is there a utility that can spout what X sees when I press a key? |
| 18:09.43 | Eulex | CreativeOne, apt-get update, the apt-get upgrade |
| 18:09.50 | jetscreamer | i thought i said that |
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| 18:10.12 | jetscreamer | xev i think byteshack |
| 18:10.18 | dkr | byteshack: xev |
| 18:10.19 | jetscreamer | not sure but yes there is |
| 18:10.21 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 18:10.49 | Eulex | it's not necessary to dist-upgrade. actually, much safer to just perform an upgrade. |
| 18:11.08 | sixtysixmurph | hi, i'm using etch but want to use the version of alsa that comes with sid. can i simply edit sources.list to check sid repositories or is there more to it/ |
| 18:11.10 | abrotman | the DSA for the kernel would be a dist-upgrade IIRC |
| 18:11.12 | sixtysixmurph | ? |
| 18:11.18 | byteshack | dkr: thanks! |
| 18:11.27 | knighthk | liable: so... then I do have to restart right? |
| 18:11.35 | liable | knighthk: yes |
| 18:11.39 | cast | sixtysixmurph: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:11.40 | Eulex | abrotman, oh? right, new kernel package name, I stand corrected. |
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| 18:11.44 | jetscreamer | !tell sixtysixmurph -ab.. nm |
| 18:12.07 | knighthk | liable: okay but how do I pass the autorepair argument? I do not have any fsck in init.d |
| 18:12.13 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, note that alsa isn't just the userspace stuff, it's also kernel modules. which usually are provided with the kernel image. |
| 18:12.30 | jetscreamer | knighthk: afaict if you do shutdown -Fr now you get what you asked for |
| 18:12.32 | sixtysixmurph | so i'd be looking at recompiling my kernel? |
| 18:12.33 | Eulex | CreativeOne, that is, apt-get update, the apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:12.52 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, not necessarily, you could perhaps just get new alsa kernel modules too. |
| 18:13.04 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:13.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | jetscreamer: Ok, now what? :) |
| 18:13.06 | pumpkin | one thing debian does better than the rest, undeniably, is the packaging. the website interface is great, etc.. |
| 18:13.08 | liable | knighthk: checkfs.sh |
| 18:13.08 | pumpkin | whoops |
| 18:13.15 | jetscreamer | there is alsa-source in sid but i don't know anything about it |
| 18:13.26 | cast | i like how this site disgards my file after i upload it |
| 18:13.28 | jetscreamer | Dark_Apostrophe: no idea :/ |
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| 18:13.32 | downhillgames | my bad |
| 18:13.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok.. :( |
| 18:13.49 | sixtysixmurph | jetscreamer: its a last ditch effort to get my sound card working. alsa matrix claims it should.... |
| 18:13.50 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, any particular reason you need alsa from sid? |
| 18:14.23 | knighthk | liable, jetscreamer; eh, I restarted, seems it is waiting for input since it isn't comming back up again. Oh well, thanks for the help :) |
| 18:14.25 | jetscreamer | Dark_Apostrophe: the kernel headers 'should' be all you need , but i don't know |
| 18:14.46 | liable | knighthk: ouch |
| 18:14.54 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: spent hours trying to get my soundcard to work, but it refuses to do so. |
| 18:14.59 | jetscreamer | knighthk: input? |
| 18:15.06 | liable | knighthk: a fsck can take while |
| 18:15.11 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, what sound card? |
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| 18:15.35 | knighthk | liable, jetscreamer: right, I'll give it a few minutes more. |
| 18:15.37 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: MAudio Delta 66. |
| 18:15.40 | jetscreamer | you don't get a progressbar or anything afaik |
| 18:15.55 | jetscreamer | check the hd led |
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| 18:16.06 | fastputty | some one got squid 2.6 installed and have transparency proxy on port 80 ? |
| 18:16.27 | cast | fastputty: not you, i guess? ;) |
| 18:16.36 | fastputty | i have 2.4 and wanna merge to 2.6 |
| 18:16.45 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, you're using etch and the 2.6.18 kernel, right? |
| 18:16.46 | fastputty | i cannot find any httpd_accel option anymore :s |
| 18:17.49 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:18.01 | jetscreamer | hey knighthk it would be interesting to me to know if fsck bitches about last write time being in the future on your box |
| 18:18.05 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: using etch, dunno exactly what version but only installed a few days ago so should be current |
| 18:18.08 | jetscreamer | it 'always' does on mine |
| 18:18.23 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, fyi, I can't find anything that would seem to affect your sound card in the changelog between alsa 1.0.13 and 1.0.14. |
| 18:18.30 | kenji | jetscreamer, fastputty, cast, sixtysixmurph, knighthk, Eulex and liable can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:18.35 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, in what 'way' does it not work? |
| 18:18.36 | knighthk | jetscreamer: where would I see that? on the console when I get back to the computer physically? |
| 18:18.45 | jetscreamer | yes knighthk |
| 18:18.56 | knighthk | kenji: why are you directing this at me? |
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| 18:19.05 | jetscreamer | kenji: i rent my apache, never messed with it |
| 18:19.14 | knighthk | jetscreamer: sure I'll see, hopefully it'll come back up though.. I'll let you know in 5 more minutes |
| 18:19.19 | kenji | knighthk be cause I wanna know if you can help me |
| 18:19.22 | kenji | jetscreamer: tnks |
| 18:19.24 | jetscreamer | would you like to know about IIS instead? |
| 18:19.27 | jetscreamer | :p |
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| 18:19.41 | knighthk | or lighttpd.. |
| 18:19.42 | kenji | jetscreamer shure :D tell me xD |
| 18:19.53 | kenji | you don't like apache? :S |
| 18:20.03 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: yeah its a strange one alright. everything seems to be the way it should be. but keep getting errors from aplay and xmms can't open audio. one of the guys in #alsa suggested i try using the ubuntu livecd, just to see if it works |
| 18:20.18 | kenji | knighthk lighttpd have memory buffer overflows :P |
| 18:20.19 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, oh |
| 18:20.22 | jetscreamer | no i like it just don't know anything about it... i had to learn iis a couple years ago though... i rent that too now |
| 18:20.27 | jetscreamer | all in the package |
| 18:20.47 | kenji | jetscreamer lighttpd have memory buffer overflows :P |
| 18:21.08 | kenji | Eulex can you help me? |
| 18:21.22 | cast | kenji: no. i use thttpd |
| 18:21.44 | kenji | cast why you don't like apache? |
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| 18:22.35 | cast | kenji: oh, i like apache. |
| 18:22.50 | Eulex | cast, fyi, harassing people in the channel won't get you anywhere. in any case, I suggest you ask #apache. |
| 18:22.51 | kenji | cast: do you know how to manage virtual hosts on debian? |
| 18:23.20 | kenji | Eulex the problem its with debian apache config structure |
| 18:23.28 | ggghhh20 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.com/debian lenny |
| 18:23.33 | ggghhh20 | whats the problem here ? |
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| 18:23.43 | BradMajors | main contrib non-free ? |
| 18:24.06 | Eulex | ggghhh20, missing sections. |
| 18:24.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, can anyone please help me out with http://paste.debian.net/36938 ? |
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| 18:24.15 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: not much evidence of similar problems found by others either. about 10 hits on the net from the error message |
| 18:24.17 | BradMajors | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 18:24.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | It can't seem to find the kernel makefile.. |
| 18:24.23 | ggghhh20 | i got that |
| 18:24.26 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, oh |
| 18:24.47 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 18:24.50 | BradMajors | Dark_Apostrophe: you 'might' need to be working with linux-source ... |
| 18:24.53 | kenji | I etch use the site-available and site-enable structure, sarge had the old httpd.conf structure, but I can't move my Vhosts to etch because they don't work, I don't need #apache help I need #debian help, my problem its with the apache debian default config |
| 18:25.03 | kenji | that was for Eulex |
| 18:25.04 | kenji | xD |
| 18:25.05 | ggghhh20 | Eulex: deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.com/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 18:25.06 | Eulex | Dark_Apostrophe, ah, sorry, 'it' and not 'i' |
| 18:25.09 | ggghhh20 | sint working hmm |
| 18:25.12 | nibu | hi! I'm whith a problem when I try to use the control volume (right up corner). |
| 18:25.19 | Eulex | ggghhh20, define 'isn't working' |
| 18:25.19 | BradMajors | ggghhh20: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 18:25.34 | BradMajors | those two lines function |
| 18:25.36 | ggghhh20 | Eulex: wrong syntax |
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| 18:25.50 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:25.57 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: i gather that course of action is not one that many around here would recommend. |
| 18:26.24 | nibu | I receve the mensage: any one module and/or device of GStreamer of control volume was foud |
| 18:26.39 | nibu | some sugestion how can I fix it? |
| 18:26.46 | kenji | do I need a NameVirtualHost 132.248.10.55:80 for each VH script? or I need to put it just in the default script? |
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| 18:27.00 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:27.12 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, well... it's not trivial. but sure, go ahead if you need to. but yes, it'd prolly help to test out a live cd with the version of alsa you're upgrading to before attempting the upgrade yourself. |
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| 18:28.02 | Eulex | ggghhh20, exact error, please? |
| 18:28.09 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:28.16 | ggghhh20 | its not connecting lo l |
| 18:28.50 | ggghhh20 | dammit cant resolv |
| 18:28.59 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: its simply a matter of wanting to listen to music. i'd be very surprised if a livecd works. |
| 18:29.27 | ggghhh20 | anyone know how i can get nameserver ? |
| 18:29.34 | ggghhh20 | i think i have the wrong one |
| 18:29.38 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, well, if a live-cd with a newer version of alsa doesn't work... what would? |
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| 18:29.52 | CreativeOne | Hello |
| 18:29.53 | Eulex | ggghhh20, ping google.com -- does it succeed? |
| 18:30.02 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:30.03 | CreativeOne | where could I get a complete and update list for my source.list? |
| 18:30.03 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:30.04 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:30.04 | CreativeOne | Thanks |
| 18:30.17 | Eulex | !mirrors |
| 18:30.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-setup> or <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 18:30.21 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
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| 18:30.31 | Eulex | CreativeOne, ^^^^ |
| 18:30.33 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:30.39 | ggghhh20 | Eulex: well yahoo is wroking so i gues that isnt it |
| 18:30.49 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: my version of alsa is hardly old, and as far as i can tell the ice1712 module, which enables about half of maudio devices, has been around for a while. |
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| 18:30.55 | ggghhh20 | Eulex: deb http://ftp.us.debian.com/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 18:31.00 | ggghhh20 | failed to reach |
| 18:31.14 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, ok. sorry, I dunno what the problem might be then. |
| 18:31.30 | ggghhh20 | is it .com or .org ? |
| 18:31.45 | Eulex | .org |
| 18:31.55 | abrotman | don't use the ftp.us.debian.org .. |
| 18:32.22 | abrotman | ggghhh20: wherea re you located ? |
| 18:32.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Why not, abrotman? |
| 18:32.34 | patamo | k |
| 18:32.37 | ggghhh20 | ok its wroking |
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| 18:32.39 | ggghhh20 | its .org |
| 18:32.39 | ggghhh20 | :p |
| 18:32.40 | ggghhh20 | usa |
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| 18:32.54 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: well, doesn't really matter, cause it'll take me about 3 days to download ubuntu and i'm certainly not buying it. onboard ac97 will have to do. cheers for the interest though. |
| 18:33.03 | CreativeOne | dude |
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| 18:33.11 | ggghhh20 | damn bot |
| 18:33.13 | CreativeOne | i need a nice sources.list for my debian 4 that contains security updates and such |
| 18:33.14 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:33.15 | ggghhh20 | bt yea its working now |
| 18:33.16 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:33.17 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:33.18 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:33.24 | liable | kenji: idiot |
| 18:33.29 | Eulex | sixtysixmurph, ok. well, I can't help you much... and if the alsa guys can't help, who can? |
| 18:33.32 | kenji | liable: liable xD |
| 18:33.41 | Eulex | !tell ggghhh20 about enter |
| 18:33.43 | Kevin` | what's the debian version of readcd |
| 18:33.50 | Eulex | liable, /ignore |
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| 18:34.12 | cast | cdrecord: usr/bin/readcd |
| 18:34.13 | Eulex | Kevin`, apt-cache policy readcd to find out yourself what you've got on your system |
| 18:34.19 | cast | night all |
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| 18:34.36 | Eulex | oh, apt-cache policy cdrecord then. |
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| 18:35.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Can you help me out with a lack of makefiles in my kernel headers? |
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| 18:35.56 | fastputty | 1189596910.192 0 192.168.1.102 TCP_DENIED/403 1378 GET http://www.google.com/ - NONE/- text/html |
| 18:35.58 | vnWrK | after apt-get install logrotate and some configuration, am I supposed to put anything in the crontab for the log rotation or the apt-get configured that? |
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| 18:36.01 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:36.01 | fastputty | in the squid? someone got an idea |
| 18:36.11 | ggghhh20 | instead of doing a make install is their any way to make it a debian package ? |
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| 18:36.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: I got everything installed |
| 18:36.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | !paste |
| 18:36.33 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 18:36.44 | cast | vnWrK: dpkg -L logrotate|grep cron, also read the README.Debian file |
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| 18:37.14 | jelly | !dbus 267477 |
| 18:37.19 | jelly | !dbugs 267477 |
| 18:37.22 | kenji | liable: liable xD |
| 18:37.23 | dpkg | #267477:I[apache2] ssl: some easy way to set up an ssl server (as apache-ssl package in apache 1); Sun, 22 Aug 2004 21:03:01 UTC |
| 18:37.25 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:37.36 | sixtysixmurph | Eulex: ah, sure i'll come back to it. its highly irritating but not so important so fuck it. |
| 18:37.37 | jelly | heh. |
| 18:37.41 | sixtysixmurph | later |
| 18:37.42 | ggghhh20 | anyone ? :P |
| 18:37.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: http://picpaste.com/snapshot5.png |
| 18:37.51 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe so do I, and it has ta makefile, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.19-5-686 |
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| 18:38.02 | vnWrK | cast: thanks, got my answer |
| 18:38.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: http://paste.debian.net/36941 |
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| 18:39.05 | Kevin` | s/19/18 |
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| 18:39.43 | jelly | kenji: stupid question: did you read the error message? |
| 18:39.47 | Kevin` | Dark_Apostrophe does /lib/modules/blah/build point to a different place then source |
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| 18:40.23 | Riversidee | Hello |
| 18:40.24 | kenji | jelly yes |
| 18:40.29 | Riversidee | All right? |
| 18:40.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: Ok, it's on my laptop - I'll get it on IRC to simplify things. |
| 18:40.44 | kenji | jelly: the virtual hosts are overlaped on port 80 |
| 18:40.46 | CreativeOne | does dist-upgrade will get me to 4.0R1 from 4.0? |
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| 18:41.09 | liable | CreativeOne: yes |
| 18:41.10 | Nofilicity | How is debian as a server? (Probably a stupid questionm, sorry :S) |
| 18:41.21 | CreativeOne | liable: dist-upgrade wont get me to an unstable version right? |
| 18:41.24 | vnWrK | Nofilicity: it rocks |
| 18:41.26 | BradMajors | vserver kernel on a laptop? |
| 18:41.30 | jelly | kenji: instead of _default_:80, use *:80 and put ServerName in each VirtualHost, as well as in the main config file. Or set up your DNS / /etc/hosts properly so apache can figure out the default server name by itself. |
| 18:41.34 | kenji | Nofilicity its good as a server :D |
| 18:41.35 | Nofilicity | I just don't want to download 21 discs or w\e :( |
| 18:41.45 | DA-Laptop | BradMajors: What is vserver, actually? |
| 18:41.46 | vnWrK | lawl...just do a netinstall |
| 18:41.48 | Eulex | Nofilicity, you don't need to, check out the netinstaller. |
| 18:41.51 | liable | CreativeOne: not as long as your sources.list says stable or etch |
| 18:41.54 | Nofilicity | Hmm, how does that work? |
| 18:41.56 | BradMajors | !vserver |
| 18:41.56 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 18:41.57 | CreativeOne | etch, yes. |
| 18:42.00 | CreativeOne | thank you. |
| 18:42.00 | vnWrK | vserver is a kind of VM that shares one kernel between the VMs |
| 18:42.02 | Eulex | Nofilicity, or just the first cd. |
| 18:42.08 | kenji | jelly: I have ServerName in each virtual host |
| 18:42.08 | Nofilicity | Link? :( |
| 18:42.11 | Nofilicity | :)* |
| 18:42.15 | CreativeOne | I need a good sources.list dude. |
| 18:42.27 | CreativeOne | could someone hook me up with a link for a nice sources.list? |
| 18:42.35 | vnWrK | how can I know if I'm on 4.0r1 instead of 4.0? dist-upgrade reports me nothing ang phpsysinfo states I'm on 4.0 |
| 18:42.40 | BradMajors | http://linux.hfds.com/files/fstab.txt |
| 18:42.42 | Eulex | !tell CreativeOne about mirrors |
| 18:42.51 | kenji | jelly: I don't have any _default_:80 in the NameVirtualHost directive |
| 18:42.54 | BradMajors | omg |
| 18:43.07 | Eulex | Nofilicity, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 18:43.10 | kenji | my NameVirtualHost looks like ip:80 |
| 18:43.13 | DA-Laptop | Kevin`: http://paste.debian.net/36942 |
| 18:43.15 | Nofilicity | Thqnk you |
| 18:43.17 | Nofilicity | Thank* |
| 18:43.18 | jelly | kenji: pastebin both files |
| 18:43.23 | kenji | oks jelly |
| 18:43.38 | Nofilicity | Im guessing netinst requires an internet connection? :P |
| 18:43.47 | liable | CreativeOne: there isnt such a thing. there are debian mirrors, and thats it |
| 18:43.52 | vnWrK | that, or a local mirror |
| 18:43.53 | Kevin` | DA-Laptop that isn't/ showing the information |
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| 18:44.01 | Eulex | Nofilicity, yes. but why wouldn't you have one on a server? |
| 18:44.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Kevin`: Ok, what will, then? |
| 18:44.11 | Nofilicity | Because, the computer I use linux on (planning to install it on) requires ndiswrapper :| |
| 18:44.19 | Kevin` | DA-Laptop oh, there's no source listed anyway. link it to the same thing build is |
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| 18:44.38 | DA-Laptop | Huh? |
| 18:44.45 | DA-Laptop | Kevin`: Mind rephrazing that? :) |
| 18:44.46 | Nofilicity | So what should I do? :) Netinst or..? |
| 18:44.46 | kenji | jelly: this is my default file http://rafb.net/p/ehmeqL18.html and this is the guerrero file: http://rafb.net/p/UIVHf538.html |
| 18:45.15 | Kevin` | DA-Laptop ls -l /lib/modules-`uname -r`/build. make source look the same |
| 18:45.23 | Kevin` | silly developer not using build |
| 18:45.24 | Eulex | Nofilicity, possible course of action: use the netinstaller to install the base system, put ndiswrapper and the ndis driver on a cd, install those, then continue instaling all other stuff you need. |
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| 18:45.51 | Nofilicity | Ok. So the netinst CD image has the basic files for me to install it w\o internet connection? |
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| 18:46.09 | vnWrK | sorry to re-ask, how can I know if I'm on 4.0r1 instead of 4.0? dist-upgrade reports me nothing ang phpsysinfo states I'm on 4.0 |
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| 18:46.26 | DA-Laptop | Kevin`: Maybe it's because I'm really tired, but I'm not getting it. :/ ls: /lib/modules-2.6.22-2-amd64/build: No such file or directory |
| 18:46.31 | Eulex | Nofilicity, yes, it contains a base system. that is, you'll get a fully working console out of it even if you have no internet connection. |
| 18:46.37 | Nofilicity | Thanks XD |
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| 18:46.47 | abrotman | vnWrK: you could look for a package that was updated in r1 |
| 18:46.57 | Kevin` | DA-Laptop it was in your ls before.. |
| 18:47.31 | vnWrK | abrotman: I remember like 5-7 weeks ago I did a dist-upgrade and it patched my kernel...might that be r1? |
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| 18:48.07 | Eulex | Nofilicity, you could also use one of the gnome, kde and xfce cds to get a fully working gui out of one cd. dunno if it includes ndiswrapper though, but if it doesn't, just transfer ndiswrapper together with the driver (which you'll need to transfer in some way anyway). |
| 18:48.19 | kenji | jelly: heeeeeeeeeeelly =) |
| 18:48.23 | Nofilicity | ok :) |
| 18:48.25 | DA-Laptop | darkapostrophe@Liberty:~/downloads/iwlwifi-1.0.0$ ls /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-amd64/build> arch block crypto drivers fs include init ipc kernel lib Makefile mm Module.symvers net scripts security sound usr |
| 18:48.27 | Nofilicity | Ty for your help |
| 18:48.32 | DA-Laptop | Kevin`: ^ ? |
| 18:48.51 | liable | DA-Laptop: what happened to it? |
| 18:48.55 | Kevin` | DA-Laptop build is a symlink |
| 18:49.04 | Eulex | Nofilicity, yw |
| 18:49.12 | DA-Laptop | Kevin`: Ok, where to? |
| 18:49.20 | Kevin` | DA-Laptop cd /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-amd64; ls -al |
| 18:49.31 | Nofilicity | debian > CentOS? XD |
| 18:49.40 | vnWrK | XD being? |
| 18:49.47 | Nofilicity | Umm. |
| 18:49.49 | Nofilicity | Happy. |
| 18:49.53 | Nofilicity | I guess. |
| 18:49.53 | kenji | jelly: hellooooooooooooooooooooow xD |
| 18:49.55 | Nofilicity | Not really sure. |
| 18:50.03 | vnWrK | ah nvm I thought it was an acronym |
| 18:50.10 | vnWrK | was going to guess XanDros...ewww |
| 18:50.14 | Nofilicity | Hehe |
| 18:50.17 | xand | o.O |
| 18:50.29 | vnWrK | oops sorry xand if I insulted you |
| 18:50.36 | liable | DA-Laptop: i helped you with that a week or so ago. what did you break? |
| 18:50.39 | DA-Laptop | Kevin`: http://paste.debian.net/36943 |
| 18:50.40 | vnWrK | didn't mean to :p |
| 18:50.45 | abrotman | vnWrK: you'd have noticed .. quite a few packages |
| 18:51.04 | DA-Laptop | liable: I think it was more like a month, but what broke? Simple, apt-get upgrade replaced my kernel. |
| 18:51.15 | vnWrK | ok so I'm r1..but this version change isn't supposed to be noted somewhere? |
| 18:51.16 | DA-Laptop | I hate that... >_< |
| 18:51.25 | ribnitz | Nofilicity: Is there a way to get amarok to record the tube it is playing (from a livecast)? |
| 18:51.26 | Kevin` | DA-Laptop there you go. like I said, make source the same for this broken build |
| 18:51.32 | liable | DA-Laptop: you obviously didnt take notes :P |
| 18:51.35 | Kevin` | DA-Laptop you can probably just cp -a build source |
| 18:51.38 | abrotman | vnWrK: http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 |
| 18:51.40 | kenji | guys can you help me with apache2 and virtual hosts? Im getting this error http://rafb.net/p/pmrJev14.html |
| 18:51.40 | binfalse | Hi |
| 18:51.47 | jelly | kenji: do you have a ServerName in apache2.conf / httpd.conf? |
| 18:51.52 | ribnitz | hellow |
| 18:52.06 | liable | DA-Laptop: http://foomagic.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_iwlwifi_with_a_debian_kernel |
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| 18:52.24 | vnWrK | got my answer abrotman, thx |
| 18:52.27 | jelly | kenji: apache told you to ... (check DNS) -- or specify an explicit ServerName |
| 18:52.37 | DA-Laptop | liable, Kevin`: Seems to be compiling now, thanks. :) |
| 18:53.01 | kenji | jelly I don't have a ServerName directive in httpd.conf or apache2.conf |
| 18:53.08 | jelly | kenji: so add one. |
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| 18:53.50 | kenji | jelly: but I have one on ./site-available/vhost |
| 18:53.59 | DA-Laptop | liable: thanks :) |
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| 18:54.15 | jelly | kenji: but you don't have _a default one_ |
| 18:54.32 | kenji | jelly I have the ./site-availabe/default file |
| 18:54.54 | jelly | kenji: dude, just do it and report back |
| 18:54.56 | vin` | !greetings |
| 18:54.56 | dpkg | hello, vin` |
| 18:55.02 | DA-Laptop | liable, Kevin`: Yay - errors. Just what I needed. >.< |
| 18:55.15 | Nofilicity | .deb files I had from ubuntu work on debian, right? :P |
| 18:55.24 | DA-Laptop | liable, Kevin`: http://paste.debian.net/36945 |
| 18:55.29 | vin` | Nofilicity: probably not |
| 18:55.31 | sam_ | what should you do instead of update-modules? my system tells me it is depricated but not what replaces it.. |
| 18:55.35 | jelly | kenji: or fix your reverse dns resolving |
| 18:55.43 | Nofilicity | Oh :S |
| 18:55.48 | Eulex | Nofilicity, they might, but you shouldn't try. might cause breakage. |
| 18:55.51 | Nofilicity | Kk |
| 18:55.57 | DA-Laptop | Also, why is it compiling 3945 when it's 4965 I need? |
| 18:56.07 | liable | DA-Laptop: it build both |
| 18:56.14 | kenji | jelly: I changed the NameVirtualHost for default file on site-available to NameVirtualHost *:80 and I changed each VHost to <VirtualHost *:80> then I restarted and I don't got any error :D |
| 18:56.38 | DA-Laptop | liable: Well, it seems to have choked on a hairball in 3945 |
| 18:56.39 | jelly | kenji: that's because apache is not referencing your ip address now. |
| 18:56.44 | kenji | :O |
| 18:56.52 | kenji | then its wrong jelly? |
| 18:57.12 | jelly | kenji: hey, it works. But you still don't have a proper reverse dns entry for it. |
| 18:57.25 | vin` | DA-Laptop: how are you compiling ipw3945? |
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| 18:57.36 | liable | DA-Laptop: ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/source |
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| 18:57.47 | jelly | kenji: if you ever get multiple ips on that machine you'll have to change it back to ip:80 and fix the same problem |
| 18:57.49 | DA-Laptop | vin`: I need 4965 |
| 18:58.05 | liable | DA-Laptop: it would have choked on 4965 next anyway |
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| 18:58.41 | jelly | host or bind9-host? |
| 18:58.49 | Manoj | hi folks. Has anyone tried pbuilder create for unstable? My invocations are all failing with "pbuilder: cdebootstrap failed" |
| 18:58.50 | kenji | jelly: Im not going to get multiples IP's here but ... can I set NameVirtualHosts ip:80 and in each vhost config file the <VirtualHost *:80> to <VirtualHost ip:80> and that will be the correct way? |
| 18:58.57 | DA-Laptop | liable: Brilliant. |
| 18:59.00 | DA-Laptop | liable: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-09-12 20:52 /lib/modules/2.6.22-2-amd64/source -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-amd64 |
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| 18:59.11 | liable | DA-Laptop: wrong link |
| 18:59.18 | Manoj | or should pbuilder questions be relegated to #debian-devel? |
| 18:59.20 | liable | DA-Laptop: rm /lib/modules/`uname -r`/source |
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| 18:59.50 | jelly | kenji: you just had that and it didn't work, because there is no DNS entry for 132.248.10.55 |
| 18:59.53 | DA-Laptop | liable: done |
| 19:00.00 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.00 | vin` | DA-Laptop: you should probably try iwlwifi |
| 19:00.06 | liable | vin`: he is |
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| 19:00.13 | kenji | jelly: where can I set the dns entry? |
| 19:00.13 | vin` | liable: ok |
| 19:00.17 | DA-Laptop | vin`: That's kinda what I'm trying to build |
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| 19:00.36 | kenji | jelly: I edited my desktop pc /etc/hosts file ... |
| 19:00.52 | jelly | kenji: you can't, your isp can. |
| 19:01.01 | simonrvn | Manoj: hi there. cdebootstrap installed? (gotta ask the obvious first :) |
| 19:01.19 | Manoj | simonrvn: yes -- it seems to unpack all kinds of packages |
| 19:01.21 | kenji | jelly: I don't have a ISP xD |
| 19:01.21 | jelly | kenji: just add a global ServerName and be done with it. |
| 19:01.25 | DA-Laptop | liable: doesn't seem to be vomiting errors now |
| 19:01.29 | jelly | kenji: right. |
| 19:01.30 | DA-Laptop | Woo, it compiled :D |
| 19:01.32 | DA-Laptop | thanks, liable |
| 19:01.35 | Manoj | P-K: Unpacking package util-linux \n E: Couldn't install system due to errors! |
| 19:01.56 | DA-Laptop | liable: Two more things, if you don't mind? ;) |
| 19:02.08 | simonrvn | Manoj: hm ok. tried tracing what's going on? strace, or watching in top? |
| 19:02.12 | simonrvn | ah |
| 19:02.16 | DA-Laptop | liable: How do I block apt from updating the kernel or any kernel packages? |
| 19:02.27 | DA-Laptop | liable: And will there be a Debian iwlwifi package any time soon? |
| 19:02.36 | liable | DA-Laptop: remove the meta package |
| 19:02.50 | DA-Laptop | oh... |
| 19:02.52 | liable | DA-Laptop: unlikely, it should be in mainline by 24 hopefully |
| 19:02.53 | DA-Laptop | that simple? :D |
| 19:02.56 | Manoj | simonrvn: not yet. I can run cdebootstrap on its own, and that works, so I just bopped in here to see if anyone else wha hit by it |
| 19:03.06 | liable | DA-Laptop: linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 19:03.24 | simonrvn | not i, haven't tried pbuilder yet |
| 19:03.28 | kenji | jelly: why the apache2.conf don't have a ServerName entry in the apache debian package? |
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| 19:03.45 | jelly | kenji: it doesn't need one if your DNS is properly set up. |
| 19:03.52 | liable | DA-Laptop: you are best keeping the meta package though, it gets bug fixes. all you need to do is remake that one link |
| 19:03.59 | x_link | What do I do with .daa-files? |
| 19:04.02 | jelly | kenji: also, there is no sensible deafult. |
| 19:04.06 | simonrvn | kenji: because you're expected to do that sort of thing and have a clue |
| 19:04.13 | x_link | Just got an album but it's .daa. I've never seen that before. |
| 19:04.20 | simonrvn | kenji: about how to go about that |
| 19:04.33 | ribnitz | x_link: does file say anything useful? |
| 19:04.39 | kenji | I don't understand jelly and simonrvn :S |
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| 19:05.07 | kenji | jelly: I added the ServerName in the end of apache2.conf and I restarted, now what :S (sorry :( Im blind) |
| 19:05.10 | ribnitz | I am illiterate... |
| 19:05.18 | simonrvn | kenji: i do hope you realise that this is complex sort of thing. then you'll need to read the apache docs, and some http rfcs |
| 19:05.18 | jelly | kenji: does it work? |
| 19:05.34 | zOrK | I´d like to know what am I supposed to do after I receive this error msg whhile debian-installer: you´ve a logical partition size of 2048, blablab.. |
| 19:05.37 | kenji | jelly: no |
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| 19:05.50 | kenji | jelly: no error reported but I can't get in the vhosts |
| 19:06.03 | jelly | kenji: you need to put it _before_ the vhosts inclusion. |
| 19:06.13 | ribnitz | zOrK: how big is that partition supposed to be? |
| 19:06.26 | Nicklucas | hi |
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| 19:06.31 | kenji | jelly: how is the correct way to use apache in this case? |
| 19:06.32 | simonrvn | kenji: i have both name- and ip-based virtual hosts, here. it isn't hard once you rtfm and understand them ;) |
| 19:06.33 | Nicklucas | hi have a problem with makeinstall |
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| 19:06.52 | simonrvn | !+find bin/makeinstall |
| 19:06.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:06.59 | simonrvn | blah |
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| 19:07.07 | zOrK | ribnitz well my HD´s size is of 500GB, but the biggest partition is 300GB.. |
| 19:07.08 | liable | heh |
| 19:07.13 | kenji | simonrvn I readed the fm and I don't know what Im doing wrong sorry |
| 19:07.13 | zOrK | it gets stuck in 41% |
| 19:07.26 | zOrK | I cud take 2 showers and it´ll stay on 41% |
| 19:07.31 | DA-Laptop | liable: Remake that link, reinstall ALSA SVN, reinstall the nVIDIA blob |
| 19:07.52 | ribnitz | zOrK: if take lvm, you need exactly 2 partitions, a boot one, and one for lvm. |
| 19:08.01 | simonrvn | kenji: then take it a bit at a time. you can't expect yourself to understand everything at once |
| 19:08.07 | Nicklucas | i'm trying to compile and install a package; but at the end there is a message: the package's name have not alphanumerical fonts... what can i do? |
| 19:08.21 | liable | DA-Laptop: once you understand, it only takes 5 minutes :) |
| 19:08.23 | kenji | simonrvn I don't know whats wrong with my conf |
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| 19:08.33 | kenji | simonrvn no error reported, just they don't work |
| 19:08.33 | zOrK | ribnitz so, am I supposed to remove everything til keep 2 partitions? |
| 19:08.36 | DA-Laptop | liable: Not ALSA |
| 19:08.47 | zOrK | hd3 and hd4 for instance |
| 19:08.48 | liable | shrug |
| 19:08.52 | simonrvn | apache2ctl configtest; it'll tell you if there's outright errors (well wand warnings too) |
| 19:08.55 | DA-Laptop | liable: My crappy embedded card is barelly supported by ALSA, so it takes some work, plus SVN, to get it working |
| 19:09.01 | simonrvn | s,wand,and, |
| 19:09.12 | Manoj | pbuilder create fails on trying to unpack util-linux |
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| 19:09.21 | kenji | jelly, simonrvn can you help me? |
| 19:09.23 | liable | DA-Laptop: so what, svn update; make make install.. whats hard about that :P |
| 19:09.30 | simonrvn | Manoj: wasn't there some bug about that? |
| 19:09.33 | DA-Laptop | liable: Editing the source files? |
| 19:09.51 | DA-Laptop | liable: Replacing various Intel HDA pieces of code with Toshiba pieces of code? |
| 19:09.53 | ribnitz | zOrK: I am talking about bios level stuff. You can have 4 primary partitions, or 3 primary, and the rest logical ones. |
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| 19:10.07 | Nicklucas | hey? |
| 19:10.07 | liable | DA-Laptop: if you need to do that, then you should file bugs or make a patch |
| 19:10.09 | simonrvn | kenji: and watch your logs, they're usually very helpful |
| 19:10.11 | Nicklucas | can anyone help me? |
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| 19:10.17 | liable | s/or/and/ |
| 19:10.20 | ribnitz | !help |
| 19:10.20 | DA-Laptop | liable: They've already got it in their bugtracker |
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| 19:10.30 | DA-Laptop | liable: But they can't seem to get around to fixing it. |
| 19:10.36 | kenji | simonrvn no errors in the logs [Wed Sep 12 14:04:00 2007] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 19:10.36 | kenji | [Wed Sep 12 14:04:02 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 19:10.40 | simonrvn | mr. patient there... |
| 19:10.52 | zOrK | ribnitz what am i supposed to set on the bios? |
| 19:10.54 | liable | DA-Laptop: so edit the files and make a patch with ifdefs or something |
| 19:10.55 | simonrvn | kenji: don't you have per vhost logs too? |
| 19:11.27 | kenji | yes simonrvn but they don't have nothing root@filiales:/etc/apache2# cat /var/log/apache2/ljg_error_log |
| 19:11.27 | kenji | root@filiales:/etc/apache2# |
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| 19:11.34 | anirban | Hi |
| 19:11.41 | Manoj | simonrvn: there was? I skimmmed the pbuilder bugs, but nothing struck me as significant |
| 19:11.44 | DA-Laptop | liable: I can't even code, I just copy/paste... If I submitted a patch, I'd probably get laughed at, or someone would've thought I was insulting their intelligence |
| 19:11.48 | anirban | I tired to download Lenny using Bit torrent but |
| 19:11.56 | vin` | Manoj: I could give it a shot if you tell me how to use another mirror, this ones dead slow, ftp.nara.wide.ad.jp |
| 19:11.56 | anirban | not getting enought peers |
| 19:12.03 | anirban | I am trying the DVD ISO |
| 19:12.04 | znx | SieRRa == onjoin spammer |
| 19:12.15 | simonrvn | Manoj: util-linux |
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| 19:12.25 | znx | how do i wave to the admins :P |
| 19:12.27 | znx | !admin |
| 19:12.27 | dpkg | well, admin is like a omnipresent god, or http://home.datacomm.ch/prutishauser/humor/hack/know.ur.sysadmin.html, or and the guy you should always blame for problems with your computer |
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| 19:12.32 | anirban | So the torrent file from debina.org is good enough |
| 19:12.35 | ribnitz | zOrK: is that a dual boot? |
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| 19:12.46 | simonrvn | !ops SieRRa == onjoin spammer |
| 19:12.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: SieRRa == onjoin spammer |
| 19:12.52 | zOrK | ribnitz how to know? |
| 19:12.54 | znx | ty simonrvn ! |
| 19:12.56 | kenji | simonrvn so no way to fix this? :S |
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| 19:13.17 | simonrvn | kenji: i don't know what your problem is |
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| 19:13.22 | ribnitz | zOrK: do oyu want to use microsoft windows (or MacOS,...) on the same box? |
| 19:13.29 | zOrK | ribnitz yup |
| 19:13.33 | zOrK | MS |
| 19:13.34 | kenji | simonrvn me too, how can we know? |
| 19:13.40 | simonrvn | O_O |
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| 19:14.20 | simonrvn | thank you LoRez |
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| 19:14.27 | kenji | or no way to have vhosts in a apache debian package because they cuted the config file to multiples configs files? |
| 19:14.28 | znx | thanks LoRez :) |
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| 19:14.33 | liable | maybe someone can +q kenji for us too |
| 19:14.36 | jelly | kenji: how are you trying to access those virtualhosts? |
| 19:14.36 | aplsin | lets see how this goes.. just changed my sources to testing and did apt-get dist-upgrade, i wonder how long it'll take :P |
| 19:14.53 | kenji | http://domain.com.mx |
| 19:14.56 | simonrvn | WTF.... |
| 19:15.01 | fastputty | smoeone knw why my squidguard look like ignoring my squid |
| 19:15.02 | kenji | jelly: from a domain |
| 19:15.14 | sam_ | does no one know what command replaces update-modules? |
| 19:15.17 | simonrvn | fastputty: no. ask it. |
| 19:15.24 | ribnitz | zOrK: I have:2 primary partitions, reserved for MS, one (boot volume) ntfs, the other fat32 (for exchanging files); one extended partition, containing the linux volumes; a few other disks with only linux volumes (and lvm/evms on them). |
| 19:15.27 | jelly | kenji: what application are you using? what exact url are you tying in? |
| 19:15.29 | simonrvn | sam_: none, not needed anymore |
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| 19:15.37 | fastputty | well my squid are ignoring my squidguard lol |
| 19:15.42 | kenji | jelly: http://guerrero.jornada.com.mx in firefox |
| 19:15.45 | fastputty | i did apt-get install squid squidguard |
| 19:15.51 | abrotman | fastputty: #squid |
| 19:16.06 | sam_ | so if i have a module installed it will load on boot? |
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| 19:16.10 | simonrvn | fastputty: and you think that's supposed to be the end of that? |
| 19:16.15 | jelly | kenji: is this on a linux machine? |
| 19:16.18 | simonrvn | sam_: /etc/modules |
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| 19:16.22 | kenji | jelly: in debian |
| 19:16.37 | kenji | jelly: thats why Im here =) |
| 19:16.43 | jelly | kenji: if you do "host guerrero.jornada.com.mx", does it point to your IP address? |
| 19:17.12 | simonrvn | napkin? heh |
| 19:17.22 | simonrvn | what naming scheme do you have? ;) |
| 19:17.27 | kenji | no jelly, it show Host guerrero.jornada.com.mx not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| 19:17.35 | simonrvn | i get: |
| 19:17.41 | simonrvn | guerrero.jornada.com.mx. 604800 IN A 148.233.211.178 |
| 19:17.43 | cypherbad | hi guys |
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| 19:17.49 | jelly | kenji: how do you expect firefox to know aobut it, then? |
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| 19:18.01 | jelly | simonrvn: hush |
| 19:18.02 | jelly | :-) |
| 19:18.07 | kenji | jelly: because I added it to my /etc/hosts file |
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| 19:18.27 | simonrvn | but, but ;) |
| 19:18.33 | kenji | jelly: this is my hosts file http://rafb.net/p/5yE9Pw44.html |
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| 19:19.25 | cypherbad | hey guys |
| 19:19.26 | cypherbad | i have some problems |
| 19:19.26 | jelly | kenji: ok, that's reasonable for testing |
| 19:19.41 | cypherbad | at configuring uswsuo |
| 19:19.41 | kenji | yes jelly, I restarted my pc but it don't work |
| 19:19.46 | cypherbad | uswsup |
| 19:19.51 | cypherbad | at debian install |
| 19:19.54 | cypherbad | what to do |
| 19:19.59 | cypherbad | continue without? |
| 19:20.06 | simonrvn | !tell cypherbad -about ask |
| 19:20.14 | simonrvn | !tell cypherbad -about smart questions |
| 19:20.16 | kenji | jelly: apache don't show the content of the vhosts and firefox show The requested URL could not be retrieved |
| 19:20.31 | simonrvn | fix your dns |
| 19:20.43 | kenji | simonrvn how can I fix my /etc/hosts? |
| 19:20.46 | jelly | kenji can you ping guerrero.jornada.com.mx? |
| 19:20.52 | ribnitz | !tell me about doesn't work |
| 19:21.02 | simonrvn | i said dns, not hosts |
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| 19:21.48 | kenji | jelly no because my iptables its blocking pings but ping can resolve the dns if I try look:root@duritz:~# ping guerrero.jornada.com.mx |
| 19:21.48 | kenji | PING guerrero.jornada.com.mx (132.248.10.55) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 19:21.48 | kenji | From wan-st1-0307-0009.uninet.net.mx (200.79.4.141) icmp_seq=1 Packet filtered |
| 19:22.12 | cypherbad | -about ask |
| 19:22.14 | simonrvn | wtf, blocking pings? |
| 19:22.15 | cypherbad | lol |
| 19:22.17 | cypherbad | hahaha |
| 19:22.17 | jelly | kenji: ah. can you do a "telnet guerrero.jornada.com.mx 80" ? |
| 19:22.29 | ribnitz | how can I fix seemingly overlapping partitions? |
| 19:22.32 | simonrvn | IMO blocking pings is stupid |
| 19:22.39 | ribnitz | Ideally without data loss? |
| 19:23.00 | simonrvn | ribnitz: i have no idea :/. when you find out, gimme a shout |
| 19:23.01 | ampex | what's the easiest way to strip a leading string from another string in bash? |
| 19:23.11 | d0uglas | I'd like to set up a web interface imap mail client, but configuring horde and imp4 is driving me nuts. Are there any almost-ready-out-of-the-box programs for this? i'm in how-to hell |
| 19:23.12 | jelly | simonrvn: returning a different ICMP message, just not echo return is even dumber |
| 19:23.13 | cypherbad | hey can you please tell me why i gte this error |
| 19:23.13 | kenji | yes jelly, try it yourself http://132.248.10.55 apache its working right the proble its with the vhosts |
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| 19:23.17 | cypherbad | please |
| 19:23.24 | ribnitz | ampex: use awk, or split |
| 19:23.34 | simonrvn | jelly: yup |
| 19:23.58 | simonrvn | d0uglas: squirrelmail |
| 19:24.03 | d0uglas | ahh yes |
| 19:24.05 | d0uglas | simple |
| 19:24.09 | ribnitz | d0uglas: ilohamail |
| 19:24.35 | simonrvn | the squirrel can handle plugins too |
| 19:24.38 | abrotman | d0uglas: the tar.gz from horde.org is a good bit easier than the debian acpakges |
| 19:24.54 | jelly | kenji: I just accessed http://guerrero.jornada.com.mx/ on that IP, and apache gave me a 0 length text/html file. Check your log if it got to the correct vhost. |
| 19:25.09 | d0uglas | hmm i'll try that abrotman. thanks fellas |
| 19:25.13 | abrotman | d0uglas: and after a minor amount of hassle .. i got roundcubemail working too |
| 19:25.40 | kenji | jelly: I can see you in the acces.log of that Vhost :D |
| 19:25.42 | simonrvn | abrotman: roundcubemail? heh. new thing? |
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| 19:25.57 | jelly | kenji: so vhosts work fine, it's something else. |
| 19:26.09 | kenji | jelly: but why I can't from my firefox? |
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| 19:26.17 | simonrvn | that lwp is me |
| 19:26.18 | kenji | jelly: you saw my /etc/hosts file ... :( |
| 19:26.34 | simonrvn | /etc/hosts is not a substitute for dns |
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| 19:26.38 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's in .. sid or lenny |
| 19:26.40 | abrotman | maybe both |
| 19:26.45 | abrotman | !info roundcubemail lenny |
| 19:26.54 | jelly | kenji: because, READ WHAT I JUST SAID, apache returned "nothing" when I asked it for http://guerrero.jornada.com.mx/ |
| 19:26.55 | kenji | simonrvn and dns is not a sustitute for /etc/hosts |
| 19:27.04 | simonrvn | kenji: uh, WTF do you have http: popping up a :443? |
| 19:27.10 | jelly | simonrvn: his resolver works fine. |
| 19:27.18 | abrotman | !info roundcubemail |
| 19:27.28 | simonrvn | Enter username for Private Members Zone at mail.jornada.com.mx:443: |
| 19:27.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: http://roundcube.net/ |
| 19:27.40 | simonrvn | that's with LWP'S GET |
| 19:27.44 | simonrvn | thank abrotman |
| 19:27.45 | simonrvn | s |
| 19:27.49 | ribnitz | nuthing in sid. |
| 19:27.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: and it's 'roundcube' in lenny/sid |
| 19:27.57 | jelly | simonrvn: Content-Length: 0 for a response is kinda dumb, though |
| 19:28.05 | dareth | anyone here use Webalizer? |
| 19:28.10 | kenji | dareth I |
| 19:28.19 | simonrvn | jelly: for sure |
| 19:28.19 | jelly | GET is for pussies... telnet ftw |
| 19:28.21 | kenji | jelly: next step? :S |
| 19:28.22 | ribnitz | no round cubes. |
| 19:28.38 | jelly | kenji: log in the log files for errors from your application |
| 19:28.39 | dareth | My logs for apache are rotated. I am trying to use mergelog to combine them. |
| 19:28.40 | kenji | dareth use awstats |
| 19:28.50 | dareth | is it better? |
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| 19:29.05 | simonrvn | ooh ldap address book support |
| 19:29.08 | kenji | jelly: I don't wanna debug my php app, I just wanna see something from my firefox :S |
| 19:29.17 | simonrvn | jelly: bah ;p |
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| 19:29.49 | dareth | when you run webalizer, say with a cron job, do you need the -p incremental to make sure it is correct... if you update daily, or hourly? |
| 19:29.58 | jelly | kenji: I don't wanna help you any more :S |
| 19:30.04 | kenji | jelly why? :S |
| 19:30.22 | simonrvn | because you need to understand what you're doing |
| 19:30.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: for being in the early stages .. it's fairly "snazzy" |
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| 19:30.36 | kenji | jelly :S |
| 19:30.39 | doubl | hi there |
| 19:30.45 | dareth | maybe I am confused.. |
| 19:30.54 | dareth | I have 4 log files. |
| 19:30.55 | simonrvn | abrotman: snazzy as in...? |
| 19:31.00 | jelly | kenji: if you don't want to debug a php app, then ask your web server for something other than your web app. |
| 19:31.00 | dareth | I run webalizer on oldest log file. |
| 19:31.16 | dareth | I then run webalizer with output to same directory with next log file. |
| 19:31.17 | kenji | jelly: but I get The requested URL could not be retrieved |
| 19:31.26 | jelly | kenji: on which url? |
| 19:31.32 | doubl | anyone knows where i can find mirror lists for cdimage.debian.org ? |
| 19:31.33 | kenji | jelly: http://guerrero.jornada.com.mx/ |
| 19:31.43 | jelly | kenji: and what should it sho instead? |
| 19:31.57 | kenji | jelly: something, a php error or something |
| 19:32.27 | streuner | doubl: whats wrong with c.d.o? |
| 19:32.42 | jelly | kenji: well, it doesn't. put a jpg file in the directory and try accessing it with firefox instead. |
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| 19:32.57 | ribnitz | doubl: you get a netinst disk; and install using net.. |
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| 19:33.22 | kenji | jelly: done but I got While trying to retrieve the URL: http://guerrero.jornada.com.mx/opinion.png |
| 19:33.52 | kenji | jelly: done but I got The requested URL could not be retrieved While trying to retrieve the URL: http://guerrero.jornada.com.mx/opinion.png |
| 19:34.16 | simonrvn | ffs |
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| 19:34.23 | doubl | streuner: nothing wrong, trying to download a daily d-i snapshot redirects to a slow site in .se, i'm jst wondering if i can choose a better mirror |
| 19:34.24 | jelly | kenji: works for me |
| 19:34.30 | kenji | :O |
| 19:34.34 | kenji | then whats wrong? :S |
| 19:34.36 | jelly | kenji: fix your resolver. |
| 19:34.48 | kenji | jelly: you saw my /etc/hosts :S |
| 19:34.51 | kenji | and its ok |
| 19:34.53 | simonrvn | ... |
| 19:34.54 | jelly | kenji: your firefox doesn't care about your /etc/hosts |
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| 19:35.04 | kenji | jelly: then whats for /etc/hosts? ¬¬ |
| 19:35.06 | doubl | ribnitz: that's what i'm trying to do, actually ;) |
| 19:35.09 | jelly | kenji: you'll need to persuade it otherwise |
| 19:35.19 | kenji | jelly: its the first place where a app its going to search a name to resolve |
| 19:35.29 | jelly | kenji: nope |
| 19:35.30 | kenji | ok jelly: how are you testing? |
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| 19:36.02 | doubl | streuner: besides, the jigdo image for the daily d-i snapshots fails to build ("invalid template") |
| 19:36.29 | jelly | kenji: telnet 132.248.10.55 80, GET http://guerrero.jornada.com.mx/opinion.png HTTP/1.0<enter>Host: guerrero.jornada.com.mx<enter><enter> |
| 19:36.38 | kenji | jelly: :O |
| 19:36.43 | kenji | jelly: tnks tnks let me try |
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| 19:36.48 | jelly | kenji: that's HTTP protocol. |
| 19:36.56 | kenji | jelly: I know |
| 19:37.20 | ribnitz | doubl: netinst disks are usually 50-150MB in size. |
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| 19:37.40 | doubl | ribnitz: this one is 64mb |
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| 19:38.07 | doubl | ribnitz: but the mirror is damn slow. guess there's a long way from .fr to .se |
| 19:38.10 | kenji | jelly: it don't work for me |
| 19:38.21 | jelly | kenji: improbable |
| 19:38.26 | kenji | alex@duritz:~$ telnet 132.248.10.55 80, GET http://guerrero.jornada.com.mx/opinion.png |
| 19:38.26 | kenji | Usage: telnet [-4] [-6] [-8] [-E] [-L] [-a] [-d] [-e char] [-l user] |
| 19:38.26 | kenji | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:38.34 | jelly | dude. |
| 19:38.56 | kenji | can you test if you get something from jalisco.jornada.com.mx? |
| 19:39.08 | jelly | kenji: telnet XXX 80 is one command. after you get the connection, type in HTTP. |
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| 19:40.21 | doubl | jelly: "telnet: could not resolve XXX/80: Name or service not known" (just kidding) |
| 19:40.31 | ribnitz | doubl: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/debian-cd |
| 19:40.37 | ampex | is there a way in awk to print $2 and everything afterwards? |
| 19:41.01 | kenji | ok no way to fix this |
| 19:41.02 | kenji | :@ |
| 19:41.13 | jelly | kenji: it's a pebcak. |
| 19:41.22 | kenji | jelly: whats a pebcak? |
| 19:41.33 | jelly | !jfgi |
| 19:41.33 | dpkg | it has been said that jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 19:41.39 | vin` | !pebcak |
| 19:41.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pebcak is Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 19:41.46 | doubl | jelly: i tend to prefer drugs, but YMMV ;) |
| 19:41.53 | d0uglas | trying to run a php script from the command line, but even though i apt got php4, not finding an executable php file in /usr/bin |
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| 19:42.20 | kenji | d0uglas locate php |grep bin |
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| 19:42.27 | ribnitz | doubl: http://www.debian.net/CD/http-ftp |
| 19:42.34 | d0uglas | ahh bingo kenji |
| 19:42.41 | kenji | =) |
| 19:42.49 | kenji | jelly :( |
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| 19:43.03 | fasta | Is there an application that shows a virtual keyboard on the screen which when selected will send the appropriate midi description to the sound card? |
| 19:43.07 | ribnitz | doubl: there are 6 of them in france |
| 19:43.29 | fasta | E.g. which allows one to play piano on the computer? |
| 19:43.38 | d0uglas | kenji: locate finds php, php4 and php5 in /usr/bin/ but ls -la doesn't see anything php* ... |
| 19:43.56 | doubl | ribnitz: ok. these lack the d-i snapshots, though. well, i'm tired of trying this one, anyway |
| 19:45.24 | d0uglas | kenji: plus php apparently works at least for my main page that calls for the date function of php |
| 19:45.29 | kenji | d0uglas updatedb |
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| 19:45.56 | jelly | kenji: It's anyone's guess why your browser doesn't work with /etc/hosts... could be a proxy set up. could be you started it before editing /etc/hosts and it keeps an internal cache of ips. could be nscd. You could pay me $65/hr to log in and fix stuff for you. One hour minimum for you. |
| 19:46.06 | d0uglas | kenji: now locate php|grep bin is dry |
| 19:46.19 | jelly | kenji: figuring it out this way is too painful |
| 19:46.29 | kenji | jelly: xD |
| 19:46.34 | Thomsen | Hi there. Can anyone help me setting up some NFS shares? |
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| 19:46.56 | ribnitz | doubl: there is a debian-unofficial mirror on ftp.proxad.net/mirrors1; with etch and sid dvds |
| 19:46.56 | kenji | jelly: but my vhosts are ok? |
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| 19:47.09 | kenji | jelly: can you try jalisco.jornada.com.mx ? |
| 19:47.23 | ampex | is there a way in awk to print $2 and everything afterwards? meaning I only want to drop the first field. |
| 19:47.24 | jelly | kenji: if what you told about my access going to the correct log is true, then yes, the vhosts are ok |
| 19:47.57 | doubl | ribnitz: ok thanks. where do you get those urls from? |
| 19:47.59 | kenji | jelly: I don't see you in the jalisco.jornada.com.mx log file |
| 19:48.10 | jelly | kenji: it works, got a 403. |
| 19:48.28 | kenji | jelly: tnks guy =) 213.191.128.133 - - [12/Sep/2007:14:47:50 -0500] "GET http://jalisco.jornada.com.mx/ HTTP/1.0" 403 289 "-" "-" |
| 19:48.43 | ribnitz | doubl: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror; quite complete by itself. |
| 19:49.08 | d0uglas | kenji: which particular php package bundles the /usr/bin/php* executable? |
| 19:49.22 | ribnitz | doubl: it works with reasonable dummies? |
| 19:49.23 | kenji | jelly: and tnks for be patience and for not become desperate with me xD |
| 19:49.37 | kenji | d0uglas php5 or php4 package |
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| 19:50.01 | doubl | ribnitz: it's just quite the same as the old text interface, just with a nice logo |
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| 19:50.19 | frog | sorry for ot, but someone could help me anyway...i'm trying to cross compile uclinux with:../gcc-3.2.2/configure --target=h8300-elf for hitachi edosk-2674, patched kernel 2.4.x. i'm getting now this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/694424 . anyone could give me any clue how can i fix this? |
| 19:50.25 | ribnitz | doubl: dont tell me; I know. |
| 19:50.36 | d0uglas | man this is whacky, definitely have php4 and php5 installed.. guess i'll reinstall |
| 19:50.49 | ribnitz | frog: #c? |
| 19:50.49 | infinity0 | hi... i want to install alsa-drivers-1.0.15rc1 as a debian package so that it updates correctly, but the tar archive provided doesn't have a debian folder... how do i make one? |
| 19:50.49 | jelly | kenji: oh, I have become desperate, but you still got a discounted offer for some reason. :-) |
| 19:50.58 | abrotman | d0uglas: php?-cli |
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| 19:51.12 | d0uglas | jackpot |
| 19:51.14 | kenji | jelly xD |
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| 19:51.28 | xingu | ampex: for (i=2; i < NF; i++) { print $i; }; ? |
| 19:51.36 | doubl | ribnitz: well, maybe some will find it easier now ;) |
| 19:52.08 | ribnitz | doubl: most dummies dont use debian.. |
| 19:52.25 | kotayabu | anybody knows how to capture the linux bootup screen (flash blah blah blah~~) WITHOUT a camera |
| 19:52.27 | doubl | ribnitz: oh there's a difference, though : if it has to ask several questions in chain, they're all in one step |
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| 19:52.59 | ribnitz | doubl: for dummies: give them a mac. keeps them happy. |
| 19:53.05 | jelly | kotayabu: one workaround is to use a serial console. |
| 19:53.18 | gbw | hello, if i have usb tv card, does it depend on the card, if i want to able to watch 2 channels on same time or depend on software? |
| 19:53.23 | \amethyst | kotayabu: or run in a virtual machine |
| 19:53.48 | ribnitz | gbw: both, but most probably the card. |
| 19:53.55 | \amethyst | gbw: the hardware would have to be able to tune and stream both channels |
| 19:54.11 | gbw | what is the feature of it if i want to buy? |
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| 19:54.14 | doubl | ribnitz: i've been installing ubuntu because i lacked time lately, but on the long run it's not worth it: they can't correctly import debian repositories, and it's filled with dumb ideas and shortcuts |
| 19:54.19 | ribnitz | gbw: plus: does usb support that? |
| 19:54.28 | gbw | ribnitz, i dont know |
| 19:54.29 | \amethyst | USB supports anything |
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| 19:54.53 | \amethyst | the drivers would also have to support this hypothetical feature, unless it's a simple "picture in picture" |
| 19:54.59 | ribnitz | \amethyst: 2 tv channels without flickering at 40 fps? |
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| 19:55.05 | gbw | ribnitz, which software can suppor it? |
| 19:55.22 | ribnitz | gbw: I dont have a tv card, no idea. |
| 19:55.29 | gbw | i hope kaffeine can do it |
| 19:55.39 | Photon | I have a question for the experts ... if a c++ application starts extra threads, does that mean more process IDs? |
| 19:55.56 | ribnitz | doubl: I no longer discuss linux distro things. |
| 19:56.12 | zinx | Photon: not neccesarily in recent kernels, but it depends on how you're starting extra threads |
| 19:56.29 | beardy | zinx: Are you an eckspurrt? |
| 19:56.31 | infinity0 | xingu: hey do you have a minute? |
| 19:56.31 | ribnitz | Photon: yes, read the doc on fork. |
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| 19:56.35 | Photon | properly, not via fork |
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| 19:56.38 | zinx | beardy: odly, yes. |
| 19:56.54 | zinx | Photon: using linuxthreads, no new process IDs will be created |
| 19:56.56 | ribnitz | zinx: how did they reimplement fork()? |
| 19:57.00 | zinx | Photon: with recent kernel/glibc |
| 19:57.00 | doubl | ribnitz: ok |
| 19:57.06 | Photon | ok |
| 19:57.08 | chops | ribnitz: Creating threads does not use fork() |
| 19:57.08 | Photon | thanks |
| 19:57.29 | jelly | chops: but fork() is really only a special case of clone() :-) |
| 19:57.35 | ribnitz | chops: what does it use? |
| 19:57.41 | \amethyst | ribnitz: For 700x525 @60 Hz with 8bpp, that's 22MB per TV channel per second, assuming no compression |
| 19:58.06 | chops | ribnitz: pthread_create(). See 'man pthreads'. |
| 19:58.06 | \amethyst | ribnitz: ribnitz so about 175 Mbit... USB is 480 Mbit |
| 19:58.47 | \amethyst | ribnitz: So two but probably not three without compression |
| 19:58.56 | doubl | ribnitz: well, the expert mode installer keeps asking if i want pcmcia again and again, but besides, it's great |
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| 19:59.13 | jelly | \amethyst: I'd sure like a broadcast @60 without interlace |
| 19:59.22 | ribnitz | doubl: file a wishlist bug against it |
| 19:59.26 | \amethyst | oh, right, interlacing, so half that |
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| 20:00.01 | ribnitz | \amethyst: 11MB per channel/sec; |
| 20:00.09 | xingu | infinity0: sorry; about to go afk a bit. |
| 20:00.12 | pumpkin0 | how do i unhold a single package in aptitude ? It's not = or h or H ... ? |
| 20:00.18 | jelly | 175Mbit is about what my usb disk gives, so at least it's possible |
| 20:00.20 | infinity0 | xingu: kk no probs :) |
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| 20:02.04 | jelly | and if it's a digital terrestrial/cable, then it's probably mere 20-30Mbps per channel, in a nice mpeg2 stream. |
| 20:02.38 | ribnitz | how mnuch cpu load is involved in usb? |
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| 20:03.26 | drwahl | how do i make it so that users can not roam outside their home dir? |
| 20:03.36 | abrotman | chroot |
| 20:03.44 | drwahl | ok, i thought that was it :) |
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| 20:04.48 | m4rz | hi to all how i can find -type f with owner root |
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| 20:05.22 | dkr | m4rz: uhm -owner ? |
| 20:05.30 | Optic | i have a system with the nvidia kernel module installed by m-a |
| 20:05.33 | Optic | is there a way to do updates? |
| 20:05.41 | Optic | see if there's a new version of the nvidia driver and update it? |
| 20:05.44 | drwahl | so if i wanted to set the user "drwahl" to only /home/drwahl, the command would be "chroot /home/drwahl drwahl" ? |
| 20:05.45 | Optic | m-a doesnt' seem to have an upgrade mechanism |
| 20:05.48 | m4rz | thanks! |
| 20:05.56 | dkr | m4rz: actually, -uid 0 |
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| 20:06.28 | dkr | according to man find :) |
| 20:06.31 | Pupeno | Is free software/open source Java already packaged? |
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| 20:06.44 | spq | how to add a service from /etc/init.d to the standard runlevel? |
| 20:06.45 | pumpkin0 | Pupeno: yes |
| 20:06.53 | spq | (whats the debian way?) |
| 20:07.01 | m4rz | thanks |
| 20:07.05 | dkr | !dpkg tell Pupeno about java |
| 20:07.22 | dkr | spq: update-rc.d |
| 20:07.25 | spq | ty |
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| 20:07.50 | Pupeno | dpkg didn't tell me anything :( |
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| 20:08.06 | dkr | maye I got the synatx wrong. try /msg dpkg java |
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| 20:08.22 | dkr | or we can just spam the channel. :) |
| 20:08.27 | dkr | !java |
| 20:08.27 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>, <non-free>. |
| 20:08.29 | frankr | I'm thinking of buying this laptop with an ati radeon xpress 200m and I can't seem to find anywhere if this requires the proprietary ati driver or not |
| 20:08.33 | frankr | Anyone know? |
| 20:08.35 | simonrvn | "!dpkg" is redundant |
| 20:08.47 | dkr | simonrvn: ah |
| 20:09.19 | jelly | frankr: it does for 3d |
| 20:09.26 | Pupeno | According to dpkg, Java is not totally free yet, isn't it? |
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| 20:09.32 | pumpkin0 | frankr: do never mix ati and linux. |
| 20:09.40 | simonrvn | frankr: google search "debian linux radeon xpress 200m" |
| 20:09.41 | abrotman | pumpkin0: now with specs! |
| 20:09.58 | jelly | frankr: 2d works ok with free drivers on my express 200 (not m) desktop |
| 20:09.59 | simonrvn | though don't bother you got an answer already ;) |
| 20:10.05 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: i belive it if i see a wroking driver. |
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| 20:10.25 | abrotman | pumpkin0: r300.sf.net :) |
| 20:10.25 | frankr | pumpkin0: laptops with nvidia cards are more expensive :| |
| 20:10.33 | jelly | abrotman: negative, specs + drivers are going to be released for r500+ |
| 20:10.34 | abrotman | pumpkin0: http://www.fooishbar.org/blog/tech/x/amdspecs-2007-09-12-16-36.html |
| 20:10.42 | abrotman | jelly: it's a start damn it! |
| 20:11.03 | simonrvn | 'bout fucking time one of the big 'uns did something |
| 20:11.09 | jelly | abrotman: and r300 is crap at the moment. I know, I'm using a week old git, you git |
| 20:11.17 | simonrvn | heh |
| 20:11.48 | abrotman | jelly: would you rather use nouveau ? |
| 20:12.02 | jelly | abrotman: my i915 laptop is faster than this xpress 200 + r300 :-) |
| 20:12.11 | dante_2core | let's not kick off another nvidia-amd war... |
| 20:12.12 | abrotman | that's right .. still buy intel! |
| 20:12.18 | dante_2core | it's not worth it |
| 20:12.28 | simonrvn | what war? |
| 20:12.39 | jelly | !start a food war |
| 20:12.47 | dante_2core | the "nvidia pwns - no, amd is OSS!!" war |
| 20:12.48 | jelly | !start a food fight |
| 20:12.48 | simonrvn | !food fight |
| 20:12.49 | dpkg | bread is not healthy |
| 20:12.55 | dante_2core | XD |
| 20:13.04 | dante_2core | ...whatever. |
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| 20:13.21 | jelly | simonrvn: on that note, /me goes off for a Sub |
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| 20:13.30 | simonrvn | i'd be happy if all of them h/w manuf.s released open specs to their h/w |
| 20:13.48 | simonrvn | jelly: bon apétit |
| 20:14.33 | pumpkin0 | at least for older stuff. I still cannot use a radeon 7500M to the full extend. That is a DirectX 7 card.... |
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| 20:15.15 | simonrvn | a who? |
| 20:15.26 | Ronin | the who? |
| 20:15.53 | simonrvn | rock |
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| 20:20.38 | Daveman | Hi abrotman :) |
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| 20:21.28 | ribnitz | when will they ever learn that tools that cannot handle the more common partition types are useless? |
| 20:22.15 | fastputty | somone know hwta the hell is tat http://pastebin.com/m10bd47d5 |
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| 20:26.08 | JeremyK | howdy folks, quick question |
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| 20:26.53 | JeremyK | we just split up one of our huge packages into a meta package + a bunch of deps and are running into issues with updates |
| 20:27.03 | B_Raven | Having a wee bit of a problem with the lenny reposatories. Missing module assistant can't install the nvidia drivers because nvidia-kernel-source is missing from the reposatories. Something I'm missing? |
| 20:27.30 | pumpkin0 | B_Raven: the non-free part ? |
| 20:27.41 | B_Raven | indeed. |
| 20:27.47 | JeremyK | when we run 'apt-get upgrade' to install the new packages, the package installations fail because the new split packages have files contained in the old package that was split up |
| 20:28.08 | B_Raven | Added that to the reposatory list, so that's not it, pumpkin0 |
| 20:28.20 | JeremyK | so right now what we're doing is uninstalling the mondo package and reinstalling the newer version, but with 2000+ servers to manage, this is a bit of a bear |
| 20:28.25 | pumpkin0 | B_Raven: did you apt-get update after the edit ? |
| 20:28.49 | JeremyK | is there a better way to handle it? maybe aptitude will handle the changes more intelligently? we're currently running sarge, and while etch is planned, we can't migrate to it tomorrow ;) |
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| 20:29.13 | B_Raven | pumpkin0, I did. |
| 20:32.58 | Nofilicity | Hey, Eulex |
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| 20:33.28 | B_Raven | Looking at the package list for lenny nvidia-kernel-source isn't actually listed, so it's actually missing... |
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| 20:33.52 | SoulChild | How do I make gthumb the default application if i doubleclick a picture ??? |
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| 20:34.30 | binary010 | Hey all |
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| 20:37.13 | B_Raven | Guess I'll have to do it the hard way, then. Hmm. |
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| 20:39.22 | piko | Hi, I have problems compiling zd1211-source, could anyone say if it is general error, or ho wto fix it? |
| 20:39.30 | Nofilicity | What directory is my cd drive, I need to access it through terminal |
| 20:39.41 | Nofilicity | /cdrom ? |
| 20:39.48 | Nofilicity | or /media/cdrom , or /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 20:39.56 | piko | There is bug reported on compilation errors, but as for me it seems to be caused by headers |
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| 20:40.21 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a "replace in multiple files" tool that asks me for each substitution? (sed and kate seem to lack such function) |
| 20:40.22 | drwahl | is it possible to forward audio through an ssh session? |
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| 20:42.54 | JeremyK | drwahl: yes. is it easy? probably not. |
| 20:43.12 | drwahl | ok, so its not just like enabling xforwarding in ssh? |
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| 20:43.22 | JeremyK | no |
| 20:44.08 | valdyn | JeremyK: debian does this all the time, its not a 'special' feature of aptitude or whatever. Dependencies do it |
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| 20:44.55 | JeremyK | valdyn: aight, I'm trying aptitude but it's wanting to install a bunch of crap I don't want to install and the normal 'apt-get dist-upgrade' isn't attempting to install, like apache2, apache2-common, apache2-mpm-prefork, etc |
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| 20:46.43 | phr0zen | hi |
| 20:47.20 | JeremyK | valdyn: actually, now that i've re-read that.. I'm not sure you're understanding what i'm saying |
| 20:47.30 | phr0zen | I just downloaded the amd64 package and burned everything that was in it onto a cd and try to boot it and its not really working am i supposed to burn everything or just a certain folder? |
| 20:47.39 | pickcoder | JeremyK: dist-upgrades can hold back packages, so you won't see the new dependencies being installed |
| 20:47.51 | pickcoder | s/being/needing to be |
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| 20:48.33 | JeremyK | we've changed the old package that used to contain everything to just be a meta package. the packages it depends on have files that are included in the old version of the metapackage (before it was a metapackage). when I dist-upgrade and it tries to install the new split packages, it fails saying files were already installed |
| 20:48.48 | ErZo | So, how do I get my ipw2200-firmware from debian? Or do I need to do it manually, even though it's a binary-dist? |
| 20:49.03 | JeremyK | let me make a quick paste dump to hopefully better explain what i mean |
| 20:49.14 | phr0zen | okay im just checking i cant really get mine to boot :/ |
| 20:49.19 | pickcoder | JeremyK: install the top-level package that is causing the problem |
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| 20:49.28 | pickcoder | even if it's already there |
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| 20:49.44 | pickcoder | it will either remove and upgrade the depends and the base package or it will fail |
| 20:49.57 | JeremyK | it fails |
| 20:49.58 | JeremyK | sec |
| 20:50.01 | valdyn | JeremyK: umm, the new packages need to depend on the new 'meta' package, not just vice versa |
| 20:50.03 | Nofilicity | How do I load a file off a CD? |
| 20:50.10 | Nofilicity | I dont have a GUI atm ;\ |
| 20:50.14 | valdyn | JeremyK: at least that would be one way.. |
| 20:50.17 | Sebboh | mount /dev/cdrom |
| 20:50.31 | Sebboh | if you have some entries in your fstab, the rest will be filled in for you already... |
| 20:50.38 | Nofilicity | mount: no medium found |
| 20:50.42 | Nofilicity | o.O |
| 20:50.58 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: more then 1 CD-drive ? |
| 20:51.00 | Nofilicity | I know there are files on the disc, h\e |
| 20:51.04 | Nofilicity | No |
| 20:51.12 | Nofilicity | Not that I know of o.O |
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| 20:51.22 | Nofilicity | Any ideas? :S |
| 20:51.42 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: do you know which /dev-node is your CD-drive ? |
| 20:51.43 | pickcoder | JeremyK: is this Etch? |
| 20:52.06 | JeremyK | no, sarge |
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| 20:52.12 | Nofilicity | No, I don't |
| 20:52.17 | JeremyK | http://rafb.net/p/uBPepG65.html <-- hopefully that helps me explain what i'm talking about |
| 20:52.18 | pickcoder | did you read the sarge->etch upgrade notes? |
| 20:52.21 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: become root |
| 20:52.23 | JeremyK | i'm not upgrading to etch. |
| 20:52.31 | pickcoder | why are you dist-upgrading then |
| 20:52.44 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: is it a SATA or IDE drive ? |
| 20:52.56 | JeremyK | because it's a freshly imaged system and upgrade doesn't grab all the packages for whatever reason. |
| 20:52.58 | valdyn | pickcoder: hes messing with custom packages |
| 20:52.59 | Nofilicity | Er, how can I tell? :S |
| 20:53.03 | pickcoder | meh |
| 20:53.04 | JeremyK | yea, they're custom packages |
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| 20:53.54 | Nofilicity | I believe its IDE tho |
| 20:53.55 | valdyn | JeremyK: im sure there's several ways, like what i said or by letting each small package replace mondo < someversion |
| 20:54.27 | JeremyK | valdyn: so it's in the package metadata? we need to mark these small packages as replacing the old mondo package? |
| 20:54.33 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: cd /proc/ide. check in each dir (hda, hdb, hdc) the file "model" (cat /proc/ide/hda/model) util you hit the CD-drive, |
| 20:54.53 | valdyn | JeremyK: sure its in the metadata, no you dont need to do it that way, but one of several ways |
| 20:55.02 | JeremyK | well whatever way works |
| 20:55.10 | JeremyK | right now we basically just remove the mondo package and reinstall it |
| 20:55.21 | pickcoder | are you overriding a package name from an official repos? |
| 20:55.24 | JeremyK | but that's hard to automate |
| 20:55.28 | JeremyK | no |
| 20:55.48 | valdyn | pickcoder: hes replacing mondo with a mondo metapackage and several packages containing the rest of original mondo |
| 20:55.49 | pickcoder | I don't understand the problem at all then... |
| 20:55.55 | pickcoder | ok |
| 20:56.05 | phr0zen | why is my netinst cd not booting :/ |
| 20:56.05 | JeremyK | pickcoder: did you see my paste? I think it will help explain |
| 20:56.08 | JeremyK | http://rafb.net/p/uBPepG65.html |
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| 20:56.23 | pumpkin0 | phr0zen: how did you burn it ? |
| 20:56.24 | Nofilicity | pumpkin0 |
| 20:56.29 | Nofilicity | Its the hdc one |
| 20:56.43 | phr0zen | just burnt the files in the .zip to a data cd? |
| 20:56.52 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: mkdir /cdrom; mount /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 20:58.00 | pumpkin0 | phr0zen: that cannot work. get the iso. |
| 20:58.00 | phr0zen | weird i think i downloaded the wrong thing or something |
| 20:58.00 | phr0zen | yeah |
| 20:58.03 | pickcoder | ndn is your meta |
| 20:58.10 | JeremyK | ndn-rubygems is, yes |
| 20:58.21 | JeremyK | it used to contain everything, but we split them up for sanity's sake |
| 20:58.22 | Nofilicity | "You must specify the filesystem type" |
| 20:58.36 | pickcoder | so the files it complains about were actually in that package |
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| 20:58.42 | JeremyK | were, yes |
| 20:58.46 | pickcoder | tsk tsk |
| 20:59.02 | pickcoder | change the package name |
| 20:59.03 | JeremyK | I didn't make the packages, I'm just trying to get it upgrading cleanly again :) |
| 20:59.20 | pickcoder | since it's a meta now, it should have the same name |
| 20:59.22 | pickcoder | IMO |
| 20:59.25 | pickcoder | gah |
| 20:59.27 | pickcoder | Shouldn't |
| 20:59.45 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom |
| 20:59.49 | pickcoder | have it replace ndn-rubygem |
| 20:59.53 | valdyn | suppose i would add a "Replaces: oldpackage < my_new_version" to each new package |
| 21:00.19 | JeremyK | in the debian/control file? |
| 21:00.39 | valdyn | but maybe a verioned Conflicts: is better? no idea.. |
| 21:00.41 | pickcoder | valdyn: I dunno if that will help if apt is going to upgrade the same package name |
| 21:00.48 | pickcoder | I don't think you can replace a package of the same name |
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| 21:01.00 | pickcoder | I'd say change the name a bit |
| 21:01.01 | pickcoder | brb |
| 21:01.04 | JeremyK | pickcoder: well, changing the name is fine |
| 21:01.11 | JeremyK | ndn-rubygems-meta or whatever is fine |
| 21:01.12 | valdyn | pickcoder: i dont need that flag at the metapackage |
| 21:01.16 | valdyn | pickcoder: just the others |
| 21:01.21 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 21:01.35 | pickcoder | somelib-dev replaces nbn-rubygem? |
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| 21:02.09 | pickcoder | brb |
| 21:02.13 | valdyn | JeremyK: sure, in the control file |
| 21:02.16 | Nofilicity | My /dev/ dir only contains "initcctl" |
| 21:02.34 | Nofilicity | Btw, I got the error "Special device /dev/hda does not exist" |
| 21:02.45 | JeremyK | aight, I'll give that a try |
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| 21:03.12 | [HaldriK] | hello |
| 21:03.14 | [HaldriK] | can squid3 manage ACL and http_access with transparent mode? |
| 21:03.42 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: uhmm... what happend to that system ? Does it contain a /dev/.static file (.somehting files are hiden) |
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| 21:03.44 | flowolf | hi all |
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| 21:04.35 | Nofilicity | nope o.O |
| 21:04.42 | Nofilicity | I just have base netinst installed. |
| 21:04.48 | jelly-home | !np |
| 21:04.48 | dpkg | from memory, np is "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or "Now Playing", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
| 21:04.49 | Nofilicity | Trying to install ndiswrapper |
| 21:04.53 | Nofilicity | Which is on my disc. |
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| 21:06.33 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: which CD did you use ? etch ? |
| 21:06.59 | Nofilicity | Umm |
| 21:07.13 | Nofilicity | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r1-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:08.08 | pumpkin0 | Nofilicity: mount -t devfs none /dev ? |
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| 21:09.05 | jelly-home | ¡test! |
| 21:09.12 | Nofilicity | unkown file type "devfs" |
| 21:09.26 | Nofilicity | Unknown* |
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| 21:09.31 | Southern | Hi |
| 21:09.42 | Nofilicity | :S |
| 21:10.07 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: etch uses udev, not devfs |
| 21:10.27 | Southern | if I installed package kde, and I would like to remove it so that can install kde-base ( kde with no aplicationss ) is it fine to do apt-get remove kde or should I add some parameter so that it deletes all the applications too?? Thanks on forehand |
| 21:10.39 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: can you pastebin "cat /proc/mounts"? |
| 21:11.08 | pumpkin0 | jelly-home: i have no idea why the netinstall-CD does not produce at least something in /dev ... |
| 21:11.28 | Nofilicity | kk one sec. |
| 21:11.47 | jelly-home | pumpkin0: could be he was thrown in initrd's busybox |
| 21:11.55 | pickcoder | Southern: aptitude -s remove kde (will simulate the process without doing it) |
| 21:11.59 | Nofilicity | jelly |
| 21:12.03 | pickcoder | see if it removes the stuff you installed |
| 21:12.06 | Nofilicity | What should I be looking for? |
| 21:12.27 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: nothing in particular, I just wanted to see the gerenal looks |
| 21:12.34 | Nofilicity | Hmm |
| 21:12.36 | Nofilicity | Ok one second. |
| 21:12.50 | Southern | ok |
| 21:13.06 | Southern | pickcoder, only package kde :( |
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| 21:13.40 | odla | anyone know if netsurf can handle flash? |
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| 21:14.46 | cmn | is anybody else's encryption broken? |
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| 21:15.05 | cmn | gpg, mpop fail the 5th SSLeay test |
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| 21:15.40 | skype | Hello, what would cause me to have sound and mic will play threw to speakers but if i use a program for telephone over ip the mic dosn't work in it? |
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| 21:16.40 | mbroeker | skype, have you called the skype testing service? |
| 21:17.03 | skype | yes and made a call to my cell but the mic will not let sound threw. |
| 21:17.28 | jelly-home | skype: which program? :-) |
| 21:17.37 | skype | skype :-) |
| 21:17.53 | skype | lol |
| 21:18.04 | mbroeker | you will need oss emulation active |
| 21:18.11 | cmn | hm, reinstalling gnupg fixed its problem, but mpop still fails |
| 21:18.13 | jelly-home | skype: which version of skype? |
| 21:18.23 | skype | latest... let me look |
| 21:18.31 | Nofilicity | One sec jelly, ;p |
| 21:19.03 | Nofilicity | jelly-home, going to notice the link to you ;p |
| 21:19.04 | skype | 1.4.0.99 |
| 21:19.32 | jelly-home | skype: last time I took a look at skype on Linux, they had a skype-beta package with support for ALSA. Does your version support alsa? |
| 21:19.41 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: paste that in the channel |
| 21:19.45 | Nofilicity | http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u280/Nofilicity/cat.jpg |
| 21:20.17 | skype | honestly im not sure, I downloaded the one for debian... |
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| 21:20.58 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: that's funny. does ps -fe |grep udev show any lines? |
| 21:21.08 | Nofilicity | Why funny o.O |
| 21:21.24 | Nofilicity | and yeah, it does |
| 21:21.37 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: try /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 21:21.41 | neofpo | hello folks. I am having trouble running wine doors under etch, it is complaining about missng rsvg module. Anyone knows how to fix this? I ahd no luck at google... |
| 21:22.06 | Nofilicity | What will that do o.O |
| 21:22.19 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: umm... restart udev? |
| 21:22.24 | Nofilicity | Oh. :) |
| 21:22.37 | jelly-home | you're not much smarter now. |
| 21:22.45 | Nofilicity | Darn/ |
| 21:22.47 | Nofilicity | Anyways |
| 21:22.49 | Nofilicity | I did that :P |
| 21:22.53 | Nofilicity | Just did that* |
| 21:22.57 | jelly-home | it didn't help? |
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| 21:23.06 | Nofilicity | Um, do I try mounting again now? |
| 21:23.18 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: take a look in /dev |
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| 21:23.49 | Nofilicity | "initctl" and "null" |
| 21:24.04 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: ah, so you're not lucky :-) |
| 21:24.22 | Nofilicity | Err |
| 21:24.23 | Nofilicity | :( |
| 21:24.26 | pickcoder | neofpo: perhaps librsvg2-2 is helpful |
| 21:24.36 | neofpo | let me see it |
| 21:24.45 | pickcoder | !librsvg2-2 |
| 21:24.45 | dpkg | i heard librsvg2-2 is missing from experimental thus making a GNOME 2 install barf |
| 21:24.48 | Nofilicity | This is frustrating :( |
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| 21:25.01 | Nofilicity | Is there anyway to install GNOME..without a CD..without a internet connection? :S |
| 21:25.05 | pickcoder | !librsvg2-2 etch |
| 21:25.08 | neofpo | pickcoder: already installed |
| 21:25.14 | phr0zen | question do i just burn the iso to a data cd or do i have to like use a program like alchol 120? |
| 21:25.16 | karsten | Nofilicity: Yes. |
| 21:25.23 | pickcoder | what about the -bin and -common packages of it |
| 21:25.26 | karsten | Nofilicity: It's the undocumented telepathy apt method. |
| 21:25.26 | Nofilicity | How? |
| 21:25.28 | hochimoo | Is there and easy way for incoming emails to be put directly into a database? |
| 21:25.31 | Nofilicity | Oh, of course. |
| 21:25.34 | Nofilicity | Silly me XD |
| 21:25.38 | pickcoder | hochimoo: define "database" |
| 21:25.41 | hochimoo | mysql |
| 21:26.06 | Nofilicity | Is there anything I can do? :O |
| 21:26.22 | karsten | hochimoo: Define a procmail filter, write an appropriate rule to transfer mail to database. You can also write delivery rules directly into sme MTAs. |
| 21:26.27 | neofpo | pickcoder: all I could find is that Etch misses rsvg inside gnome somewhere, but I was hoping there was a solution... |
| 21:26.27 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: go to /dev |
| 21:26.32 | Nofilicity | ok |
| 21:27.04 | pickcoder | hochimoo: consider dbmail or some other db-specific MTA |
| 21:27.13 | pickcoder | else you'll have to roll your own solution |
| 21:27.15 | skype | in vi what letter gives me full edit? |
| 21:27.16 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: run /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 21:27.17 | karsten | Nofilicity: If you're going to install a package, and that package isn't already on your system, you've got to get it there somehow. apt-zip might help, transfer it on a USB flash drive. |
| 21:27.25 | phr0zen | :( |
| 21:27.38 | karsten | skype: ioaO |
| 21:27.44 | neofpo | karsten: there is a guy who made a tool to make apt on cd |
| 21:27.51 | neofpo | karsten: lot of work to use it... |
| 21:28.03 | skype | karsten: ty |
| 21:28.07 | neofpo | karsten: http://aptoncd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:28.13 | Nofilicity | .udevb or .udev prescence implies active udev. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation |
| 21:28.22 | karsten | skype: Though you probably misunderstand vi. That's: insert, open (above), Open (below), append. |
| 21:28.27 | neofpo | karsten: ubuntu focused, but should work with debian in theory |
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| 21:28.49 | Nofilicity | What is apt-zip? o.O |
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| 21:29.02 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: nice. what files does ls -d /dev/.* show? |
| 21:29.03 | neofpo | !apt-zip |
| 21:29.03 | dpkg | hmm... apt-zip is Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 21:29.09 | Nofilicity | Ah. |
| 21:29.18 | karsten | ... and I'm therious about that. |
| 21:29.19 | karsten | !apt-zip |
| 21:29.19 | dpkg | apt-zip is probably Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media, or just apt-get install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip |
| 21:29.21 | khaleel5000 | hello , i am a n00b , i have debain etch rc0, i need a link to a repository (so i can add in my sourcelist and update stuff) |
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| 21:29.35 | hochimoo | thanks dbmail is just the job |
| 21:29.38 | Nofilicity | /dev/. /dev/.. /dev/.udev |
| 21:29.47 | skype | karsten: to clarify. would I type :a for the option to be able to just type away? |
| 21:29.48 | neofpo | khaleel5000: try a command called apt-setup |
| 21:29.52 | neofpo | !apt-setup |
| 21:29.52 | dpkg | apt-setup is probably a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or 'netselect-apt' can be used instead. |
| 21:29.53 | jelly-home | karsten: your lithp is coming back |
| 21:30.08 | Nofilicity | /dev/. /dev/.. /dev/.udev is what showed up :S |
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| 21:30.35 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: mv .udev .udev-sux, and rerun MAKEDEV |
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| 21:30.42 | pickcoder | hochimoo: you'll probably want to use lmtp to transfer the mail from your server's main MTA to the db-based mail service, since most of them support it easily |
| 21:30.44 | karsten | jelly-home: Don't be thilly. Ith not back, ith jutht vithiting. |
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| 21:30.54 | Nofilicity | Lol |
| 21:30.54 | neofpo | Nofilicity: why do you need to use /dev/.udev exactly? I managed to create nodes with udev by adding rules to it, it is the correct way |
| 21:31.08 | jelly-home | neofpo: his udev does not work at all. |
| 21:31.16 | Nofilicity | =( |
| 21:31.18 | Szeraax | hey, i'm having some troubles with my broadcom :( wlan card. its the bcm4310, anyone also have that and able to help me out? |
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| 21:31.42 | Nofilicity | I''ll jsut put in a landline internet. Itll mess up the room, but w\e. :P |
| 21:31.42 | jelly-home | neofpo: so, first a workaround to get stuff like mounting CD working, then worry about the cause |
| 21:31.46 | Nofilicity | I'll just* |
| 21:31.50 | phr0zen | do i have to like burn the iso a special way or can i just burn it to a data cd? |
| 21:31.56 | pickcoder | Szeraax: try using ndiswrapper with a proper windows driver |
| 21:32.00 | Nofilicity | ;\ |
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| 21:32.55 | Szeraax | pickcoder: arg... I havent liked ndis, i have made it work before, but i didn't like it... thanks for the reminder though |
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| 21:32.59 | neofpo | !usbmount |
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| 21:33.35 | pickcoder | Szeraax: good luck with the bcm43xx then |
| 21:33.41 | neofpo | jelly-home: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/usbmount |
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| 21:33.44 | pickcoder | I've yet to get one working |
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| 21:34.02 | Nofilicity | ? |
| 21:34.21 | Szeraax | jelly-home: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:34.27 | jelly-home | Szeraax: nothing |
| 21:34.30 | karsten | jelly-home: Why? |
| 21:34.39 | karsten | jelly-home: What wrong w/ root having rw/rw to disk? |
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| 21:34.45 | jelly-home | karsten: it's a silly name for a device! |
| 21:34.49 | karsten | jelly-home: Erm, wait, what's 3-2? |
| 21:34.50 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 21:34.58 | skype | karsten: How may I find out if the version i am using is the alsa compatible?? I'm not seeing anything on skype.com to explain. |
| 21:35.01 | jelly-home | we can't have silliness. |
| 21:35.08 | karsten | skype: NFC |
| 21:35.08 | jelly-home | karsten: one. |
| 21:35.18 | karsten | jelly-home: Point. |
| 21:35.30 | jelly-home | karsten: that's like kindergarten level. |
| 21:35.44 | karsten | jelly-home: I did very, very poorly in school. |
| 21:35.57 | karsten | jelly-home: I flunked nap time. |
| 21:36.11 | jelly-home | karsten: I suppose it's an updated /dev/zero |
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| 21:37.09 | karsten | jelly-home: Y'know, I'd think that crwsrwsrwt would be a better mode for 3-2. |
| 21:37.18 | karsten | jelly-home: That would be 1 with everything (set). |
| 21:37.24 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: anyway, that MAKEDEV should create your devices the old-fashioned way, and make you able to mount the cdrom |
| 21:37.59 | jelly-home | karsten: so, you think that Dominoes "game" created it...? |
| 21:38.33 | karsten | jelly-home: Haven't followed the discussion that far back. |
| 21:38.55 | karsten | jelly-home: You could check LANA for what that major/minor designates. |
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| 21:39.23 | assgrabber | hi |
| 21:39.34 | assgrabber | i have a question... anyone around? |
| 21:40.10 | Nofilicity | Err. |
| 21:40.15 | Nofilicity | I rebooted, now it works. ;_; |
| 21:40.16 | karsten | Vendor says: That's $5.25. DM pays with a 20, waits, nothing. "How about my change?" "You should know, change comes from within". |
| 21:40.22 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: yay! |
| 21:40.24 | Nofilicity | Thanks for all your help, jelly-home XD |
| 21:40.43 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 21:40.43 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 21:40.47 | Nofilicity | Sweet. |
| 21:40.47 | Nofilicity | :P |
| 21:41.04 | Nofilicity | AH. Brain fart. whats the command to run .deb files again? |
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| 21:41.19 | assgrabber | i am trying to install debian on a computer using the netinst disc |
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| 21:41.33 | assgrabber | the computer has windows vista on a partition |
| 21:41.33 | jelly-home | Nofilicity: to install local files? dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 21:41.37 | karsten | Nofilicity: dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 21:41.45 | assgrabber | but when i try to boot from the debian cd |
| 21:41.47 | assgrabber | it wont boot |
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| 21:41.49 | Nofilicity | thanks |
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| 21:41.52 | assgrabber | it just boots vista off the hdd |
| 21:41.57 | karsten | Nofilicity: ... or 'dpkg -i <package file> |
| 21:42.02 | Luminax | that's probably BIOS problem |
| 21:42.08 | assgrabber | but yet |
| 21:42.09 | Luminax | like boot sequence |
| 21:42.15 | assgrabber | it will boot slackware |
| 21:42.20 | Luminax | hmmm |
| 21:42.22 | assgrabber | cd |
| 21:42.24 | karsten | assgrabber: <F12> frequently gives you a one-time boot menu at startup. |
| 21:42.24 | Luminax | or maybe you're burning it wrong ? |
| 21:42.35 | Nyle | what day is this? |
| 21:42.38 | pickcoder | your CD is either still open or it mis-burned |
| 21:42.41 | karsten | Nyle: Today. |
| 21:42.45 | Luminax | Thursday for me |
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| 21:42.49 | pickcoder | burn it at a lower speed |
| 21:42.51 | Luminax | today for everyone |
| 21:42.53 | Nyle | i see |
| 21:42.53 | jelly-home | Nyle: tardsday here |
| 21:42.59 | Nyle | jelly-home: :) |
| 21:43.03 | Luminax | jelly-home : lol |
| 21:43.04 | assgrabber | i just burned it on ubuntu :( |
| 21:43.12 | pickcoder | it's yesterday somewhere and tomorrow elsewhere |
| 21:43.16 | Nyle | assgrabber: that is a creepy nickname |
| 21:43.21 | pickcoder | but it's always today here |
| 21:43.22 | Luminax | pickcoder : point ;) |
| 21:43.23 | jelly-home | oops, a misspelling O:-) |
| 21:43.27 | Nyle | well, its 4:20 somewhere in the world |
| 21:43.31 | B_Raven | Ok, managed to reduce my nvidia problems to their essential cause, the 2.6.21 kernel in lenny. And since the kernel headers for 2.6.18 won't install I'm SOL until 2.6.22 reaches testing. Anyone have any idea how long it might be until that happens? |
| 21:43.44 | jelly-home | Nyle: maybe 4:43, 4:20 probably not. |
| 21:43.46 | Nyle | i am waiting for ati aiglx support |
| 21:44.05 | Nyle | well, it moves 1 hour every 15 degrees longitude |
| 21:44.12 | Nyle | but thats just even measurement |
| 21:44.21 | Nyle | im sure in the middle somewhere time still flows |
| 21:44.28 | jelly-home | Nyle: they kinda promised it for the next release (octoberish) |
| 21:44.29 | Nyle | so yeh, its 4:20 somewhere in the world |
| 21:44.34 | Nyle | jelly-home: yup |
| 21:44.38 | Nyle | 1 more month to go |
| 21:44.45 | jelly-home | Nyle: no, only 4:44 |
| 21:44.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:44.51 | Nyle | ok ok |
| 21:44.57 | sharp15 | is it possible to have the debian netinstaller install to an encrypted partition without messing with my parition scheme? |
| 21:45.00 | jelly-home | Nyle: or fix your clock :-) |
| 21:45.11 | pickcoder | thought that was "it's 5:00pm somewhere [insert beer logo]" |
| 21:45.34 | phr0zen | YAY it booted i <3 evberyone |
| 21:45.41 | jelly-home | !time |
| 21:45.41 | dpkg | time is probably found on http://www.time.com/, or 2007.09.12 21:45:40, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 21:46.19 | phr0zen | which one is a 32bit distribution |
| 21:46.31 | Nyle | jelly-home: you know about 4:20 |
| 21:46.31 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:46.33 | jelly-home | phr0zen: i386 |
| 21:46.37 | phr0zen | thx sir |
| 21:46.43 | jelly-home | Nyle: no, I obviously missed it |
| 21:46.55 | Nyle | jelly-home: international time for smoking pottage |
| 21:46.57 | rahul | s t oooooooh n e d |
| 21:47.02 | Nyle | pottery, doobage herbery |
| 21:47.04 | Nyle | rahul: im home |
| 21:47.08 | Nyle | rahul: and i got next 3 days off |
| 21:47.12 | Nyle | msg plase |
| 21:47.14 | rahul | blah |
| 21:47.15 | Nyle | please* |
| 21:47.18 | rahul | I've been on a 5 day bender |
| 21:47.36 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 21:47.36 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:47.42 | Nyle | sicko |
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| 21:53.52 | Skyrail | How can I do the square root symbol on linux/debian? I've done a quick check in the character map but don't know where to look :/ |
| 21:54.36 | DustyBin | ive setup public/private keys for ssh but i cannot get ssh agent + ssh-add to run automatically when i open the shell, i put the files inside .xsessions |
| 21:54.50 | psykon | Skyrail, U+221A |
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| 21:55.06 | Skyrail | thanks psykon |
| 21:56.20 | Wyzard | DustyBin: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent starts an agent automatically, so you don't have to |
| 21:56.20 | mbroeker | yeah i found a skype deb package too and it works with alsa. thats nice... |
| 21:56.27 | Wyzard | DustyBin: You just need to run ssh-add |
| 21:56.48 | DustyBin | aye ok ill delete that file :D |
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| 21:57.40 | Wyzard | DustyBin: and if you run GNOME, gnome-keyring connects to the agent automatically and prompts you for your key's passphrase the first time you try to use it |
| 21:58.08 | infinity0 | i've compiled a custom-build alsa and tried to load it up but i get "Unknown symbol" errors when i try to load snd_hda_codec |
| 21:58.10 | DustyBin | where abouts can i change the settings for ssh-agent so after a certain amount of hours it will clear the passphrase in memory? |
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| 22:00.24 | Nofilicity | How do I move a file from a disc to my /home/ directory? |
| 22:00.57 | Nofilicity | Or can I. |
| 22:01.32 | nvz | #home_infoBar span:last-child,#home_infoBar span:first-child, |
| 22:01.42 | Wyzard | DustyBin: The "-t" option seems to do that, but it looks like the built-in Xsession helper I mentioned doesn't pass that option |
| 22:02.19 | Wyzard | DustyBin: You should file a wishlist bug against the x11-common package, requesting a way to pass that option to the agent started by that script |
| 22:02.43 | DustyBin | thats a serious security issue |
| 22:02.49 | Gener1c | humz |
| 22:03.27 | Gener1c | can someone using etch tell me whats the latest xchat pack offerd on etch? what xchat version |
| 22:03.48 | Supaplex | !+info xchat etch |
| 22:03.49 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:03.51 | Gener1c | i want to check if my mirror is up to date |
| 22:03.53 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.6.8-0.3 (etch), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 748 kB |
| 22:03.59 | Wyzard | DustyBin: Keep in mind that you can delete the keys from the agent on-demand with "ssh-add -D" |
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| 22:04.17 | Gener1c | oh cool |
| 22:04.49 | Gener1c | !+info vmware etch |
| 22:04.51 | dpkg | Package 'vmware' does not exist. |
| 22:04.59 | Gener1c | !+info vmplayer etch |
| 22:05.01 | dpkg | Package 'vmplayer' does not exist. |
| 22:05.03 | Nofilicity | Um, I type ndiswrapper -l, my driver is listed. However, "modprobe ndiswrapper" -> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found |
| 22:05.04 | Gener1c | humz |
| 22:05.04 | Nofilicity | :( |
| 22:05.23 | Gener1c | !+info firefox etch |
| 22:05.25 | dpkg | firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 22:05.49 | assgrabber | hey |
| 22:05.53 | assgrabber | i have another question |
| 22:05.54 | jelly-home | Gener1c: /msg the bot |
| 22:05.57 | assgrabber | if i want to put say |
| 22:05.59 | Gener1c | oh ok |
| 22:06.04 | assgrabber | 3 distros on on hard drive |
| 22:06.13 | assgrabber | like debian, slack, and ubuntu |
| 22:06.18 | Gener1c | thats one cool bot btw |
| 22:06.20 | Wyzard | Gener1c: VMware itself isn't packaged, but in unstable (and possibly testing by now) there's a package called "vmware-package" which builds .debs from VMware's tar.gz releases |
| 22:06.25 | assgrabber | and i make partitions for them |
| 22:06.31 | assgrabber | can all three use the same swap? |
| 22:06.37 | Gener1c | oh nice!!! |
| 22:06.40 | Wyzard | assgrabber: yes |
| 22:06.48 | assgrabber | so i can make 4 partitions |
| 22:06.51 | jelly-home | assgrabber: yes, until you start to use the swap for hibernation |
| 22:06.55 | hackthegenome | does anyone know why I get "operation not permitted" when I try to write to my NTFS drive, even though write support is compiled into my kernel and I'm root |
| 22:07.18 | Gener1c | should i dl it from the sids mirror manualy and use dpkg to install it will apt-cache list it as installed? |
| 22:07.48 | assgrabber | what do you mean |
| 22:07.53 | assgrabber | until i use the swap for ibernation |
| 22:07.55 | assgrabber | *h |
| 22:08.31 | Wyzard | assgrabber: suspend-to-disk, like on a laptop |
| 22:08.47 | jelly-home | assgrabber: if you suspend-to-disk one distro, the others either won't be able to use the swap partition, or will invalidate the suspended image |
| 22:08.59 | ma3x | can you stream a hidefinition movie from a computer to TV via super video cable? |
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| 22:09.21 | Wyzard | ma3x: S-Video is limited to plain 720x480, afaik |
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| 22:09.32 | Wyzard | ma3x: You need DVI or HDMI for high-definition video |
| 22:09.35 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I thought s-video is analog? |
| 22:09.59 | ma3x | there are computers with dvi or hdmi outputs? |
| 22:10.09 | Wyzard | It is |
| 22:10.29 | jelly-home | ma3x: most graphic cards these days have dvi or hdmi, yes |
| 22:10.30 | Wyzard | ma3x: Nearly all current video cards have DVI output, because it's used by LCD monitors |
| 22:10.47 | ma3x | laptops too? |
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| 22:11.00 | Wyzard | ma3x: HDMI is just DVI plus digital audio through a single cable, so if your TV only has HDMI input, you can get a DVI->HDMI adapter |
| 22:11.11 | Wyzard | ma3x: I haven't seen any PC laptops with DVI output, but MacBooks do |
| 22:11.41 | ma3x | 15 holes (5 x 3 rows) is that dvi? |
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| 22:12.02 | Wyzard | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI |
| 22:12.24 | ma3x | eh nope, my laptop doesnt have that |
| 22:12.31 | Wyzard | ma3x: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA |
| 22:12.42 | ma3x | does that mean I can't stream hidef tv a hidef tv? |
| 22:12.48 | jelly-home | ma3x: yup. |
| 22:12.49 | Wyzard | ma3x: VGA can do HD resolutions too (but it's analog rather than digital), and some HDTVs have VGA input |
| 22:13.00 | ma3x | Wyzard, yeah thats what it is - vga I have |
| 22:13.35 | ma3x | so the quality will be the same? |
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| 22:13.58 | Wyzard | With good cables, probably |
| 22:14.26 | Wyzard | If the content is protected by HDCP, you won't be able to play it at full resolution, because HDCP only works over DVI/HDMI |
| 22:14.28 | xand | ##hardware :p |
| 22:14.41 | Wyzard | but AFAIK there's no HDCP implementation for Linux anyway |
| 22:14.47 | ma3x | so whether I connect it via vga or dvi it won't make difference in quality? |
| 22:15.17 | DustyBin | by default, debian etch doesnt use 'sudo' when you guys need to do root things do you log in as root? |
| 22:15.18 | petemc | eh? |
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| 22:15.27 | jelly-home | DustyBin: su |
| 22:15.30 | petemc | dvi doesnt support hdcp |
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| 22:15.40 | DustyBin | su = superuser |
| 22:15.41 | jelly-home | DustyBin: or !installit |
| 22:15.47 | DustyBin | that means you are root |
| 22:16.05 | jelly-home | DustyBin: but you don't have to "log in as root" |
| 22:16.07 | Wyzard | petemc: Yes it does |
| 22:16.21 | DustyBin | ok i see what you mean, i disable ssh root logins and use su |
| 22:16.25 | petemc | Wyzard: hm? |
| 22:16.40 | Wyzard | petemc: HDCP works over DVI |
| 22:16.45 | DustyBin | is using 'su' more dangerous than using 'sudo' ? |
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| 22:16.55 | Wyzard | according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP |
| 22:17.24 | jelly-home | DustyBin: it's different. sudo can do more stuff than su. |
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| 22:17.41 | ma3x | Wyzard, what would you suggest LCD monitor or tv? |
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| 22:18.44 | jbm | DustyBin: yes |
| 22:18.52 | DustyBin | im not sure if using keys is a good idea or not for my network... what happens if a hacker broke into my box and the phrase was still in memory.. |
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| 22:19.27 | jelly-home | DustyBin: what kind of keys are you worried about? |
| 22:19.49 | Wyzard | ma3x: If it's a media-center PC to be used for watching movies, naturally you'd want to connect it to a TV... for other stuff it'd be better to put a monitor on your desk |
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| 22:20.04 | DustyBin | ive just setup basic public / private ssh keys, so i enter the password once with ssh-add then i can freely log in and out boxes on my network without passwords |
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| 22:20.21 | Wyzard | ma3x: 1920x1080 LCD monitors are available, btw |
| 22:20.23 | gpm | sup foolz? |
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| 22:20.52 | Wyzard | DustyBin: If someone broke into your box and you weren't using SSH keys, he could just keylog the next time you type your passphrase anyway |
| 22:20.57 | ma3x | Wyzard, check this one out http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcdtv/n4280p |
| 22:21.04 | gpm | ugh, time for coffee. |
| 22:21.07 | eolo999 | hi I have lenny installed, some days ago after an update my network applet and power manager applet disappeared...someone has a clue? |
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| 22:21.17 | DustyBin | ok |
| 22:21.31 | jelly-home | DustyBin: as long as you don't ForwardAgent, you have one intrusion point where he could get access to all the machines. |
| 22:21.41 | gpm | eolo999: try opening the power mgmt. prefs? |
| 22:22.01 | DustyBin | aye port 22 |
| 22:22.07 | Nofilicity | Um, I type ndiswrapper -l, my driver is listed. However, "modprobe ndiswrapper" -> FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found |
| 22:22.17 | eolo999 | gpm, what do you mean? |
| 22:22.23 | gpm | eolo999: gnome? |
| 22:22.32 | eolo999 | gpm, yes |
| 22:22.41 | Wyzard | ma3x: That looks like it's meant to be used as a TV rather than a PC monitor, though it'd probably work as a PC monitor too |
| 22:22.48 | gpm | eolo999: system->preferences->power management |
| 22:22.54 | gpm | go to the general tab |
| 22:23.02 | DustyBin | after setting up my public + private keys, would it be ok to put the same public key on all the machines in my network? |
| 22:23.08 | eolo999 | gpm, ok |
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| 22:23.13 | ma3x | Wyzard, I need one for watching tv (but from time to time I'd like to watch some hidef movie) |
| 22:23.14 | Wyzard | Nofilicity: Those are two different things |
| 22:23.20 | gpm | eolo999: which button is selected under "notification area" ? |
| 22:23.26 | Wyzard | ma3x: Buy a TV for watching TV |
| 22:23.31 | Wyzard | ma3x: Buy a monitor to put on your computer desk |
| 22:23.42 | Wyzard | ma3x: Don't ask for TV-shopping advice in #debian |
| 22:23.46 | jelly-home | DustyBin: yes. you can give out your public key to people on the street if you want. :-) |
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| 22:23.55 | eolo999 | gpm it was notify when there is a battery |
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| 22:24.16 | Nofilicity | Wyzard |
| 22:24.18 | Nofilicity | What do you mean? |
| 22:24.19 | DustyBin | jelly-home: but if somone guesses the passphrase they could access ALL my network :-S |
| 22:24.24 | gpm | eolo999: no, there are two options "Never display an icon" or "Always display an icon" |
| 22:24.28 | Nofilicity | How can I fix it :S |
| 22:24.31 | eolo999 | gpm, i choose always now |
| 22:24.40 | gpm | eolo999: ok, is the icon there? |
| 22:24.47 | Wyzard | DustyBin: then choose a good passphrase |
| 22:24.48 | eolo999 | gpm, it's not there |
| 22:24.50 | pablo__ | hi, i get crashes on some apps, can the problem be an error on a memory chep? |
| 22:25.02 | jelly-home | DustyBin: if they get access to your private key, your ip, and the passphrase, yup. |
| 22:25.04 | gpm | eolo999: you have a notification area on your panel? |
| 22:25.20 | eolo999 | gpm, ?? |
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| 22:25.31 | Wyzard | Nofilicity: When you run "ndiswrapper -l", you're running a userspace program... "modprobe ndiswrapper" is trying to load a kernel module which you apparently don't have installed |
| 22:25.39 | eolo999 | ok done thanks gpm |
| 22:25.50 | gpm | eolo999: yeah. read some documentation, please. |
| 22:25.59 | eolo999 | gpm, great |
| 22:26.04 | Wyzard | !tell Nofilicity about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:26.20 | gpm | powered with real wires for me, thanks |
| 22:26.44 | eolo999 | gpm, it never happened before and, you know sometimes irc is quicker... one cannot know or read everything, thx |
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| 22:26.57 | DustyBin | it gets a little confusing, so now i have, a private key for the machine im ssh'ing from, a public key for the remote machine, a passphrase and that account im ssh'ing to also has another passwd setup for the account |
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| 22:27.13 | gpm | eolo999: well, you must've removed the notification area somehow. |
| 22:27.26 | gpm | there's something to be said for utilizing that spongy mass in your skull once in a while |
| 22:27.45 | eolo999 | gpm, i think i removed after an error with network applet...that is still missing |
| 22:27.56 | pablo__ | hi, i get crashes on some apps, can the problem be an error on a memory chip? |
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| 22:28.09 | gpm | yeah, that's in a nother gnome prefs dialog |
| 22:28.13 | gpm | check them out, you'll find it |
| 22:28.23 | gpm | i can't remember which one off the top of my head |
| 22:28.35 | eolo999 | thanks |
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| 22:31.33 | bedboi | ok, don't kill me please... |
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| 22:31.52 | bedboi | i'm packaging something i don't remember how to automatically generate the .install files |
| 22:32.06 | bedboi | there was some magic dh_stuff |
| 22:32.08 | phr0zen | hmmm ok i finished installing and its asking for my login but wont let me type in a password |
| 22:32.19 | sysop | hi I have a stupid dd question. |
| 22:32.30 | bedboi | geo-rge: there? |
| 22:33.35 | sysop | I am trying to do a dd from my current os drive to a new drive. do I need to patition /mkfs it first? |
| 22:34.48 | gkiagia | sysop: you want to dd a partition or a whole disk? |
| 22:35.27 | phr0zen | question, how do i load a graphical environment after a new install |
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| 22:36.29 | Drk_Guy | 15 7h3r3 4ny7h1ng |1k3 n37 53nd 1n D3b14n? |
| 22:36.32 | techbie | !ping |
| 22:36.32 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:36.37 | Drk_Guy | !p1ng |
| 22:36.54 | Drk_Guy | !ping |
| 22:36.54 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:36.56 | sysop | soryr gkiagia I was read the dd page |
| 22:37.08 | Drk_Guy | Is there anything like net send in Debian? |
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| 22:37.14 | pablo__ | hi, i get crashes on some apps, can the problem be an error on a memory chip? |
| 22:37.16 | bedboi | Drk_Guy: i hope you were kidding? :) |
| 22:37.21 | Drk_Guy | lol |
| 22:37.23 | bedboi | :) |
| 22:37.31 | Drk_Guy | I really want something like that |
| 22:37.36 | Drk_Guy | So i can bother noobs out |
| 22:37.37 | bedboi | nono, the l33t stuff |
| 22:37.42 | sysop | I am trying to take my 200 gig drive and move it onto a 500 gig drive then use parted to resize it to 500 gig |
| 22:37.48 | Coweater | phr0zen: "/msg dpkg install x", and i'm guessing you want gnome or kde so "/msg dpkg install gnome" or s/gnome/kde/ |
| 22:37.56 | Drk_Guy | The l33t stuff |
| 22:38.00 | jelly-home | sysop: is it all linux? |
| 22:38.05 | sysop | yep |
| 22:38.10 | Drk_Guy | There's nothing l33t about net send |
| 22:38.10 | sysop | sorry gkiagia I was afk |
| 22:38.16 | Wyzard | sysop: Why not partition the new disk first, and then just copy all the files? |
| 22:38.19 | bedboi | Drk_Guy: <Drk_Guy> 15 7h3r3 4ny7h1ng |1k3 n37 53nd 1n D3b14n? |
| 22:38.21 | bedboi | this one |
| 22:38.25 | Drk_Guy | ah! |
| 22:38.27 | jelly-home | sysop: if it is, I'd recommend doing a partition and mkfs first, then cp -a |
| 22:38.33 | Drk_Guy | That was fun |
| 22:38.34 | bit0 | hello, where is openoffice-debian channel? |
| 22:38.39 | jelly-home | sysop: that way you get a free defrag :-) |
| 22:38.42 | sysop | the problem is its my os drive |
| 22:38.42 | bedboi | Drk_Guy: that's the worse thing a human can invent |
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| 22:38.51 | Drk_Guy | A little plug-in jokes up |
| 22:38.54 | sysop | I want it to be bootable afterwards |
| 22:39.04 | jelly-home | sysop: you'd need to reinstall the boot loader, of course |
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| 22:39.20 | jelly-home | sysop: (and possibly fix /etc/fstab) |
| 22:39.22 | sysop | doing a dd wont make a perfect image of it on the new drive? |
| 22:39.28 | Wyzard | sysop: How's that a problem? |
| 22:39.45 | jelly-home | sysop: it will, but a perfect image is not an optimal solution |
| 22:39.45 | minerale | network connectiviy on my computer dies when there are no connections. if I ping outside it starts working, but then it dies and I can't connect to it from outside |
| 22:40.18 | sysop | jelly-home, ok but why |
| 22:40.27 | gkiagia | sysop: a good cp will do it but you have to check the cp switches to keep device files and syminks in place |
| 22:40.41 | jelly-home | sysop: because it keeps the current fragmentation |
| 22:40.51 | sysop | its reiser fs |
| 22:40.59 | jelly-home | sysop: even worse. |
| 22:41.00 | dalias | be careful |
| 22:41.24 | dalias | using reiser-fs has been known to make your wife mysteriously disappear.. in addition to your files |
| 22:41.27 | jelly-home | sysop: this is an excellent time to get rid of reiserfs then, too! |
| 22:41.35 | gkiagia | sysop: i think that if you want to dd it, you should make a partition on the new disk that has the same size, dd the old partition into it and then resize |
| 22:41.39 | sysop | bs, I have been using reiser fs for years. |
| 22:41.41 | jelly-home | dalias: *groan* |
| 22:41.49 | sysop | and he got cleared of that. |
| 22:41.50 | dalias | ;) |
| 22:41.52 | dalias | wtf |
| 22:41.58 | dalias | cleared? how? |
| 22:42.05 | gkiagia | sysop: but the best solution is cp as everybody here says ;) |
| 22:42.27 | sysop | ok when I get that done can you help with getting it bootable? |
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| 22:42.45 | Wyzard | sysop: That just requires installing GRUB on the new disk, which is pretty simple |
| 22:42.52 | sysop | thats it. |
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| 22:43.07 | jelly-home | sysop: I have two points against reiserfs v3: 1. reiserfsck is abysmally slow, 2. irreversible loss of performance if the fs gets filled up to say 90-93% |
| 22:43.14 | dalias | i see no articles about him being 'cleared' |
| 22:43.14 | gkiagia | sysop: even if you dd it, grub must be reinstall it |
| 22:43.19 | dalias | afaik he's still facing trial |
| 22:43.24 | gkiagia | reinstalled* |
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| 22:43.32 | Varange | hi all |
| 22:43.49 | phr0zen | I need some help im really new to this, I got it installed and have the command line and logged in but how do I get to the graphical enviorment? or did I install wrong? |
| 22:44.04 | jelly-home | gkiagia: if he dd the whole disk, and then connect the new one on the same controller/channel, he wouldn't have to install grub |
| 22:44.09 | sysop | maybe I will keep current os drive and just upgrade my data drive |
| 22:44.09 | Varange | I want to reconfigure my network settings, but I don't know the package name, i.e. dpkg-reconfigure ??? |
| 22:44.31 | themill | Varange: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:45.05 | Varange | themill, there is no way to do it with dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 22:45.12 | sysop | jelly thats what I was talking about. hmm |
| 22:45.22 | Roy`` | phr0zen, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 22:45.24 | jelly-home | sysop: running a grub-install and fixing up /etc/fstab shouldn't be too hard if you're a seasoned user |
| 22:45.36 | themill | Varange: none that I know of |
| 22:45.41 | Varange | thx |
| 22:46.02 | gkiagia | jelly-home: yes but he cannot do that. how will he dd a 200 GB disk in a 500 GB one? he would lose the 300 GB afaik. shouldn't he dd the partition only? |
| 22:46.05 | phr0zen | Roy``: I get no such file or directory |
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| 22:46.25 | gkiagia | (i am not sure though) |
| 22:46.32 | jelly-home | gkiagia: sure he can, use parted to resize / move afterwards. |
| 22:46.44 | techbie | !tell phr0zen about dm |
| 22:46.47 | sysop | cant I do parted afterwards to regain the 300gb ? |
| 22:46.57 | techbie | !dm |
| 22:46.57 | dpkg | DM means display manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 22:47.03 | jelly-home | sysop: you can, but it's dumb |
| 22:47.20 | gkiagia | jelly-home: ok, you know better ;) |
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| 22:47.42 | sysop | thats whats I wanted to hear, thanks. it may be dumb but I sounds easier. I will try it but if that doesnt work I will just wipe it and try it your way. |
| 22:47.43 | jelly-home | gkiagia: I've done it both ways |
| 22:48.04 | Supaplex | !resize2fs |
| 22:48.09 | Supaplex | meh |
| 22:48.12 | jelly-home | Supaplex: "reiserfs" |
| 22:48.16 | gkiagia | jelly-home: ok, I believe you. that's what I said. |
| 22:48.42 | Wyzard | resize_reiserfs then |
| 22:48.48 | Wyzard | but "cp -a" would be preferable |
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| 22:49.21 | Roy`` | phr0zen, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 22:49.29 | jelly-home | Wyzard: yah, but it's a bit complicated |
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| 22:50.12 | themill | phrozen77: did you select "desktop environment" during the setup? |
| 22:50.20 | Wyzard | It's a bit more complicated if it's the root partition because other stuff is mounted over it, like /proc |
| 22:50.22 | phr0zen | i dont think it had that option |
| 22:50.24 | Wyzard | but that can be worked around |
| 22:50.33 | phr0zen | i had the netinsta but it couldent connect |
| 22:50.40 | phr0zen | so maybe it didnt get installed? |
| 22:50.42 | Wyzard | and you can just boot a liveCD and mount the two hard drives to avoid that issue |
| 22:50.56 | Wyzard | phr0zen: You did a netinst without a network? |
| 22:51.07 | jelly-home | still, if one wants to have 500GB of reiserfs, who am I to disapprove... it's not that I had news spool for an ISP running on reiserfs or anything |
| 22:51.10 | Roy`` | phr0zen, which window manager do you want to use? |
| 22:51.11 | phr0zen | well I am on a network but I couldent get it connected |
| 22:51.33 | phr0zen | any whateveres easiest |
| 22:51.56 | Roy`` | are you used to windows, mac, or want something minimalistic |
| 22:52.10 | phr0zen | im used to windows |
| 22:52.25 | Wyzard | phr0zen: If you tried to do a netinstall but it wasn't able to download any packages, all you have is a minimal base system |
| 22:52.31 | jelly-home | kde? xfce? |
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| 22:52.38 | themill | phr0zen: ok.. let's start at the beginning then,... are you currently using this machine? (is networking now working) |
| 22:52.45 | Roy`` | phr0zen, sudo apt-get install kde |
| 22:53.12 | Wyzard | Roy``: sudo isn't set up by default in Debian |
| 22:53.21 | jelly-home | Roy``: stop. hammertime. |
| 22:53.36 | phr0zen | themill, no its not connected im on my laptop talking to you guys and setting up debian on another comp |
| 22:53.52 | phr0zen | yeah and its saying sudo, command not found |
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| 22:53.59 | Roy`` | guess it's been a while since i've done a basic install then |
| 22:54.01 | phr0zen | maybe I should just use the full cds? |
| 22:54.19 | Wyzard | phr0zen: You could do that, but it'd be even better to just fix your network connection |
| 22:54.32 | themill | phr0zen: no, let's just get the network connection working and then everything will sort itself out. |
| 22:54.48 | Wyzard | phr0zen: Right now you have an incomplete installation, basically -- the 50MB or so on the netinstall CD is just the bare minimum of stuff that's absolutely required |
| 22:54.48 | themill | phr0zen: what sort of network is it on? Your home network? wired? |
| 22:54.52 | Roy`` | phr0zen, are you just plugging this machine into a modem of some kind? |
| 22:54.54 | jelly-home | phr0zen: you're being fed some unsvory advice. listen to themill guy, he knows his shit. :-) |
| 22:55.26 | phr0zen | themill, my home network on a router |
| 22:55.52 | themill | phr0zen: and that router will normally hand out IP addresses when you plug a new computer in? (i.e. it does dhcp) |
| 22:56.14 | phr0zen | the DHCP thing didnt auto connect so I entered an ip (not sure if it was the right one 192.blabla one) |
| 22:56.22 | phr0zen | yeah it should |
| 22:56.40 | Wyzard | phr0zen: If DHCP failed too, it sounds like your network connection is completely dead |
| 22:57.00 | sysop | ok one more question, would it be a good idea to get out of xwindows before dding my os drive? |
| 22:57.00 | themill | phr0zen: ok. can you give the command ifconfig -a and tell me how many devices it lists. (eth0, lo etc) |
| 22:57.01 | Wyzard | phr0zen: Make sure the cable is plugged in on both ends, and that the corresponding light on the router is lit |
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| 22:57.34 | themill | Wyzard: it could also be that the module for the network card isn't loaded. |
| 22:57.47 | jelly-home | sysop: it would be a good idea to boot a livecd. |
| 22:57.52 | phr0zen | hmm yeah there were 2 network cards that loaded and I wasnt sure which was which |
| 22:58.08 | Wyzard | themill: It was asking for an IP, so it was trying to configure an interface of some sort |
| 22:58.10 | sysop | ok. cool thanks again jelly |
| 22:58.12 | jelly-home | sysop: anything else might result in errors on the copied filesystems |
| 22:58.33 | phr0zen | ok i actually just plugged in and it came up with "eth1: setting full-duplex |
| 22:58.35 | Wyzard | phr0zen: Move the cable over to the other one, and try again |
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| 22:58.49 | themill | phr0zen: excellent. this is progress ;) |
| 22:58.55 | jelly-home | sysop: (basically you need them to be mounted read-only or not mounted at all for dd to work) |
| 22:59.05 | jelly-home | eh |
| 22:59.14 | themill | phr0zen: try: dhclient eth1 |
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| 22:59.41 | phr0zen | dhclient: command not found |
| 22:59.50 | phr0zen | :/ |
| 22:59.51 | Wyzard | phr0zen: Now you know which card is eth0 and which is eth1 |
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| 23:00.03 | Wyzard | phr0zen: IIRC, during installation you get asked which network card to use |
| 23:00.15 | phr0zen | hmm yeah maybe ill try the other one |
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| 23:00.21 | Wyzard | phr0zen: My recommendation would be to reinstall and choose the correct network card this time |
| 23:00.39 | Wyzard | phr0zen: You can use either one, as long as the one you tell the installer to use is the one that has the cable connected to it |
| 23:00.46 | phr0zen | alright |
| 23:01.10 | Wyzard | phr0zen: (I'd suggest using eth0, though, just because it's kinda weird to have eth1 connected and eth0 disconnected) |
| 23:01.12 | phr0zen | so the one i had it in was eth1 |
| 23:02.18 | phr0zen | ill try reinstalling |
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| 23:04.15 | phr0zen | yay |
| 23:04.23 | phr0zen | it worked this time instead of giving error |
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| 23:04.49 | phr0zen | i need new network cables |
| 23:04.58 | phr0zen | like the clips are broken on them and they fall out :/ |
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| 23:05.29 | Wyzard | You can buy more of those plugs, and the tool for attaching them |
| 23:05.56 | Wyzard | and cable is much cheaper when you buy a spool of it rather than pre-made individual cables |
| 23:06.13 | Wyzard | worth considering if you need more than a few of them |
| 23:06.20 | phr0zen | yeah, I remember in high school they had a huge spool and would do that |
| 23:06.21 | karsten | How would I scan for both dhcp *and* tftp in one nmap scan? dhcp is tcp, tftp udp, nmap doesn't seem to support both scan types at once. |
| 23:06.43 | Wyzard | I have a 1000-foot spool of cat5e that I bought for around $50 USD last year |
| 23:06.51 | phr0zen | woa |
| 23:06.54 | phr0zen | thats what I need |
| 23:07.06 | Wyzard | and a plastic bag full of the connectors |
| 23:07.12 | Wyzard | which was a few dollars, I think |
| 23:07.17 | simmerz | how can I recreate an initrd? |
| 23:07.19 | karsten | phr0zen: Bulk cable is cheap, but building cable (and building cable that works) takes a while. |
| 23:07.25 | Wyzard | simmerz: man update-initramfs |
| 23:07.36 | simmerz | thanks |
| 23:07.41 | Wyzard | It's not that difficult once you've made a few |
| 23:08.07 | simmerz | Wyzard: and it'll include evms stuff? |
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| 23:08.29 | Wyzard | simmerz: dunno about EVMS, but I know it works for LVM |
| 23:08.42 | geo-rge | bedboi: moreorless... |
| 23:08.44 | simmerz | Wyzard: ok |
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| 23:09.01 | karsten | Wyzard: Some people get the knack. I can do it but I misfire a fair bit. |
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| 23:09.13 | themill | simmerz: man update-initramfs and initramfs.conf |
| 23:09.42 | keith4 | how do I make 'iwconfig eth2 essid foo' stick? |
| 23:09.53 | keith4 | it's been so long since i had to touch wireless config |
| 23:10.08 | Wyzard | karsten: Just check the colors and the wire lengths before permanently attaching the plug... if they're in the wrong order or some are too short, pull it out, fix them, and put it back in |
| 23:10.17 | themill | keith4: you can put that in your /etc/network/interfaces or use network-manager (if your card is compatible) |
| 23:10.27 | jelly-home | keith4: man wireless |
| 23:10.39 | jelly-home | ... for the first option |
| 23:10.45 | keith4 | first option sounds better |
| 23:10.58 | phr0zen | Question should I use the desktop enviornment or web server, I was planning on using this as my own sort of server once I gain more knowledge but cant I do that with the desktop one also? |
| 23:11.13 | themill | keith4: I hated networkmanager until I actually started using it ;) |
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| 23:11.20 | karsten | Wyzard: Sure. Depends on your cable. I find some of the stripe/solid wires are hard to tell apart. |
| 23:11.21 | Wyzard | phr0zen: You can pick both, if you want |
| 23:11.22 | keith4 | i use it in ubuntu (laptops_ |
| 23:11.23 | phr0zen | actually nvm im dumb |
| 23:11.23 | keith4 | ) |
| 23:11.24 | phr0zen | yeah |
| 23:11.27 | phr0zen | u can lol |
| 23:11.37 | keith4 | wireless-essid foo? that's it? |
| 23:11.39 | keith4 | i love debian |
| 23:11.43 | phr0zen | ehh |
| 23:11.45 | karsten | Wyzard: and a cabel integrity tester can be ewell-0worth the value. |
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| 23:11.54 | simmerz | Wyzard: it appears the initrd does include evms stuff |
| 23:11.56 | themill | keith4: yep. that's the one. |
| 23:11.57 | Wyzard | karsten: The stripes are pretty narrow on mine, so it's basically color vs. mostly-white |
| 23:11.59 | jelly-home | keith4: WPA is a bit messy though |
| 23:12.00 | simmerz | just decompressed it |
| 23:12.04 | phr0zen | Can I reinstall it later? I just pressed enter when I meant to select it |
| 23:12.12 | keith4 | not interested |
| 23:12.20 | keith4 | all access is via ssh |
| 23:12.27 | Varange | I need to install mysql support for PHP. How do I do this please? |
| 23:12.38 | Wyzard | karsten: I just have a little loopback jack that was $5 or so -- put it on one end, plug the other end into a switch, and if the light comes on, the cable works |
| 23:12.39 | themill | phr0zen: yes, tasksel is just a way of setting an initial set of packages to install |
| 23:12.49 | keith4 | Varange: php5-mysql? |
| 23:12.56 | phr0zen | ok thanks a ton themill |
| 23:12.58 | keith4 | (or php4) |
| 23:12.59 | bedboi | oh my god, the changelog format is terrible |
| 23:13.08 | themill | bedboi: ? |
| 23:13.15 | bedboi | debian packaging |
| 23:13.28 | themill | what's wrong with the standard changelog format? |
| 23:13.30 | Varange | keith4, thanks. I forgot the "5" :0 |
| 23:13.30 | bedboi | themill: it always fails. |
| 23:13.41 | Wyzard | karsten: I know that's not a very thorough test, but I've only ever had one cable that was faulty without being completely nonfunctional |
| 23:13.43 | bedboi | themill: it is harcoded |
| 23:13.50 | jelly-home | bedboi: you get used to it, esp. after a few years. the other ones look ugly to me |
| 23:13.58 | themill | bedboi: how does a changelog fail? I'm not with you. |
| 23:14.28 | bedboi | themill: parsechangelog complains |
| 23:15.15 | stealthy | What is the user generated content _ |
| 23:15.16 | stealthy | ? |
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| 23:15.42 | jelly-home | bedboi: did you edit the file manually? you can use dch. |
| 23:15.57 | keith4 | does it matter where i put wireless-essid option in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:16.20 | themill | bedboi: on what changelog specifically? works for me on a random changelog.... |
| 23:16.35 | themill | keith4: in the stanza for that interface. |
| 23:17.00 | keith4 | there isn't really a stanza... just 'iface eth2 inet dhcp' |
| 23:17.38 | themill | keith4: then you're creating a stanza for that one ;) iface eth2 inet dhcp\n\twireless-essid foo etc |
| 23:17.57 | keith4 | themill: ah... that's what I did, but I had a typo. thanks |
| 23:18.03 | themill | :) |
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| 23:18.51 | themill | !typosmite keith4 |
| 23:19.28 | Wyzard | keith4: is this a machine that's fixed in location, or will it be moving around? |
| 23:19.38 | keith4 | fixed |
| 23:19.39 | trol3 | can somebody tell me if my web server is accesible from the internet? I will send you the url in private message |
| 23:19.42 | Wyzard | ok |
| 23:19.43 | keith4 | it lives in the kitchen |
| 23:19.48 | keith4 | and scans my groceries ;-) |
| 23:19.52 | jelly-home | fixed ips for fixed machines? :-) |
| 23:19.55 | keith4 | trol3: sure |
| 23:19.56 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 23:20.29 | Wyzard | keith4: You might want to consider using wpasupplicant though... even if you're not using WPA, (which you should be), it handles scanning for networks and associating on its own |
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| 23:20.43 | keith4 | pfff |
| 23:20.49 | jelly-home | keith4: but... what if someone breaks into your WEP "protected" network... and scans your groceries? |
| 23:20.58 | keith4 | i only had to configure it because i got a new crappy PC |
| 23:21.06 | Wyzard | keith4: Associating to a network is equivalent to plugging in an ethernet cable, so you can use ifplugd to automatically do ifup/ifdown based on whether the wlan is currently available |
| 23:21.06 | keith4 | the old one went fine without wpasupplicant for over a year |
| 23:21.26 | keith4 | no wep |
| 23:21.30 | keith4 | just mac address restrictions |
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| 23:21.48 | trol3 | youtried that keith? |
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| 23:21.53 | jelly-home | wide open ... melons |
| 23:21.56 | Wyzard | keith4: Back before network-manager existed, that's what I did... wpasupplicant to handle associating to networks in range, and ifplugd to handle getting an IP after associating |
| 23:22.17 | karsten | Wyzard: I've had crossed wires, faulty connections, random failures, broken wires, etc. |
| 23:22.24 | keith4 | trol3: didn't get a msg... maybe you sent it to keith4_ ? |
| 23:22.28 | karsten | Wyzard: Testing prior to deployment is _not_ optional. |
| 23:23.10 | trol3 | keith4 is the nick I tried. let me try again |
| 23:23.28 | keith4 | do you have to register to send pms? |
| 23:23.39 | Wyzard | karsten: Of course, but in most cases the cable is for use on my own LAN at home, so deployment and testing are the same thing :-) |
| 23:23.48 | Wyzard | keith4: I think so |
| 23:23.58 | karsten | Wyzard: 3500 node farm. |
| 23:23.59 | trol3 | damn.... you are right keith4 |
| 23:24.27 | Wyzard | karsten: yeah, that's a little different... I'm sure whoever owns that installation can afford a better cable tester than my little loopback thing, too :-) |
| 23:24.34 | jelly-home | or you have to enable receiving messages from unregistered users (dunno how that's done) |
| 23:24.35 | karsten | Wyzard: :) |
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| 23:25.58 | Wyzard | keith4: When you say "scans groceries", btw, are you talking about a barcode scanner or something? |
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| 23:26.53 | trol3 | keith4: here is the url. Can you try that please and let me know if you get anything in your browser? |
| 23:27.01 | trol3 | www.mymolehill.net |
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| 23:28.25 | themill | trol3: host isn't there at all.... connection just times out. (icmp and tcp:80) |
| 23:28.34 | Wyzard | trol3: doesn't work for me either |
| 23:28.54 | trol3 | thank |
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| 23:29.22 | trol3 | ok thanks guys |
| 23:29.48 | jelly-home | the mole hasn't dug it up yet? |
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| 23:30.21 | themill | turned into a mountain... |
| 23:30.42 | jelly-home | ... and went to Mohamed |
| 23:31.00 | keith4 | wow |
| 23:31.09 | abrotman | what about bob? |
| 23:31.15 | jelly-home | Bob was there, too. |
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| 23:33.16 | simmerz | I wish installing grub when trying to use evms wasn't such hard work! |
| 23:33.40 | bedboi | anyone knows if it is possible to generate multiple libraries with just one debian/control file? |
| 23:34.02 | Varange | I have a problem getting sshd to not accept root logins. I've set PermitRootLogin to "no" in sshd_config and restarted the sshd, but I can still login as root. Any ideas? |
| 23:34.19 | Wyzard | simmerz: EVMS use doesn't seem all that common to me... LVM is simple enough to use though |
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| 23:35.22 | simmerz | Wyzard: yeah, but evms lets me do all the md stuff within it. and the system is already set up - i had a gentoo server running, but i've wiped it and I've debootstrapped debian |
| 23:37.16 | binary010 | exit |
| 23:37.27 | visof | debian iso cd s are about 22 cds , how many cds should i download? |
| 23:37.38 | keith4 | 1 |
| 23:38.01 | Wyzard | visof: If you have a network connection available during installation, you only need the first CD, or the netinst CD which is even smaller |
| 23:38.04 | keith4 | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 23:38.22 | NicNac | netinst worked a treat |
| 23:38.23 | simmerz | doh, and now I've booted a 32bit livecd to finish off install of a 64bit OS. grrr |
| 23:38.29 | NicNac | lol |
| 23:38.39 | visof | i downloaded 3 cds |
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| 23:38.51 | nico8481 | keith4: can the netinst be done via wifi ? |
| 23:38.53 | visof | cd1.iso , cd2.iso and cd3 |
| 23:38.55 | NicNac | I downloaded 3 dvds for the amd64 version |
| 23:38.55 | jelly-home | visof: if you got the first one, that's ok |
| 23:39.09 | keith4 | sico8481: sure, if you're patient |
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| 23:39.34 | simmerz | i'm bored. i'll finish the install tomorrow when I'm awake again! lol |
| 23:39.44 | visof | what about another cds? |
| 23:40.01 | keith4 | netinstall is the way to go |
| 23:40.08 | keith4 | that way you only end up downloading what you want |
| 23:40.14 | keith4 | instead of all the crap on all of those CDs |
| 23:40.39 | jelly-home | so you're saying Debian is full of crap? |
| 23:41.02 | keith4 | i'd be willing to bet that the packages on the 22nd CD are "crap", yes |
| 23:41.16 | stoned | you are crap |
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| 23:41.28 | themill | keith4: are you sure that netinst will work with wifi? |
| 23:41.40 | NicNac | uhh what about if you were installing without any net connection? |
| 23:41.49 | stoned | just the first cd is enough |
| 23:41.50 | NicNac | you'd need the 22 cd's |
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| 23:41.55 | keith4 | themill: actually, no, it won't |
| 23:42.04 | stoned | then you can get the rest from the net |
| 23:42.06 | keith4 | i don't think wireless-tools is in the net installer |
| 23:42.13 | stoned | if not, you'll have to obtain the cds somehow |
| 23:42.19 | stoned | or the images on another hd |
| 23:42.22 | themill | keith4: didn't think so. Nor is the non-free firmware that most cards need ;) |
| 23:42.54 | keith4 | themill: i just did it with a cisco airo card, worked fine... i just had to plug in to install wireless-tools ;-) |
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| 23:43.08 | simonrvn | "Nyle" is free again |
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| 23:43.16 | Nyle | what |
| 23:43.27 | Wyzard | NicNac: You still don't necessarily need *all* the CDs... the packages are arranged in roughly descending order of popularity, so the later ones contain stuff you're likely to never install anyway |
| 23:43.29 | simonrvn | you should think about registering those nicks :) |
| 23:43.31 | Nyle | kwe kwe |
| 23:43.36 | Nyle | i should? |
| 23:43.51 | Nyle | 07:42 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Registered: 2 years 48 weeks 5 days (17h 54m 30s) ago |
| 23:43.52 | rahul | yeah, cause otherwise I could bump you off IRC :) |
| 23:43.54 | rahul | heh |
| 23:43.56 | Nyle | you could? |
| 23:44.03 | simonrvn | Nyle: kwe kwe dude :). oh you have |
| 23:44.05 | rahul | you can ghost dead nicks |
| 23:44.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:44.19 | simonrvn | /msg nickserv help |
| 23:44.31 | simonrvn | /msg nickserv help ghost |
| 23:44.47 | jelly-home | ooh, my client has /ns shortcut |
| 23:44.59 | dudeman | gag |
| 23:45.05 | dudeman | er.. hah, this is regged too |
| 23:45.28 | jelly-home | -ETOOMANYSTONEDS |
| 23:45.40 | abrotman | gah .. another moron to /ig |
| 23:46.21 | mandude | this too is regged |
| 23:46.25 | simonrvn | i made my own /ns |
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| 23:46.39 | keith4 | can't the nickserve list nicks that are regged? |
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| 23:46.55 | stoned | if they are not linked no |
| 23:48.30 | themill | !g'night |
| 23:48.31 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 23:49.58 | litage|w | would someone mind explaining to me what rsync's --blocking-io arg does? i've read its description in the manpage, but unfortunately don't fully understand the implications |
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| 23:50.44 | phr0zen | woot it works I <3 u |
| 23:50.56 | abrotman | litage|w: ever seen those red balls with yellow plastic shapes ? |
| 23:51.48 | simonrvn | Registered: 5 years 21 weeks (14h 39m 45s) ago |
| 23:51.50 | litage|w | abrotman: mmm don't think so |
| 23:51.56 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 23:52.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: you're a loser! :) |
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| 23:53.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: wow, I'm older than you. |
| 23:53.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: ? |
| 23:53.20 | stoned | i been coming here for morethan 2 years |
| 23:53.30 | abrotman | oh .. the nick registration |
| 23:53.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: ya |
| 23:53.46 | abrotman | i didn't register until i had to because of donating .. then they wanted to give me the cloak |
| 23:53.49 | stoned | simonrvn: you remember rectum? |
| 23:53.52 | stoned | or bungnugget? |
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| 23:54.04 | simonrvn | rectum, vaguely |
| 23:54.05 | abrotman | seriously .. who else would want to be abrotman :) |
| 23:54.09 | stoned | :D |
| 23:54.11 | simonrvn | you? |
| 23:54.16 | stoned | long time ago |
| 23:54.25 | stoned | ajavid? |
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| 23:54.30 | jelly-home | abrotman: imposters! |
| 23:54.31 | abrotman | who else? |
| 23:54.52 | stoned | that was my brother's nick but we have the same last name,diff first names and both start with a |
| 23:54.59 | abrotman | oh yes .. that has so many benefits :) |
| 23:55.21 | stoned | its crazy man, time goes by so fast |
| 23:55.53 | simonrvn | i didn't update my info until now O_o |
| 23:55.58 | abrotman | your info ? |
| 23:55.59 | nico8481 | are the debian-multimedia packages present in the "normal" debian repositories too? how to make sure that the two don't get mixed up when apt-getting stuff? |
| 23:56.03 | simonrvn | *old* email, url, etc. |
| 23:56.10 | simonrvn | nickserv stuffs |
| 23:56.13 | stoned | i dunno man |
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| 23:56.24 | stoned | nico8481: they are not |
| 23:56.30 | stoned | !dmm |
| 23:56.31 | dpkg | methinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
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| 23:56.48 | stoned | for example libdvdcss and w32codecs |
| 23:56.51 | nico8481 | what about preqs? |
| 23:56.51 | jelly-home | nico8481: some of them are. Packages in d-m have bigger version numbers |
| 23:56.56 | blahdeblah | What is the "approved Debian way" of ensuring that postfix listens only on the loopback interface? |
| 23:57.00 | jelly-home | stoned: apt-cache show mplayer |
| 23:57.05 | jelly-home | s/show/policy/ |
| 23:57.19 | stoned | jelly-home: i know it is debian |
| 23:57.27 | stoned | but codecs and libdvdcssare not |
| 23:57.42 | stoned | s/is/is in |
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| 23:58.05 | nico8481 | so i should just put dmm's repository before the debian repositories in resolv.conf and it should be enough to prevent dependencies mess? |
| 23:58.05 | jelly-home | stoned: well, "no" is not really a correct answer |
| 23:58.41 | stoned | ? |
| 23:58.51 | jelly-home | nico8481: it doesn't really matter, apt looks for your pinning preferences, and if those are absent, bigger version numbers |
| 23:59.23 | jelly-home | stoned: <nico8481> are the debian-multimedia packages present in the "normal" debian repositories [...] <stoned> nico8481: they are not |
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