| 00:00.01 | *** join/#debian Chascon (n=chatzill@pc-110-100-83-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 00:00.03 | dgtlpulse2k | is cpufreq broke? |
| 00:00.22 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: What happens if you try to modprobe acpu-cpufreq? |
| 00:00.35 | Spiritus55 | Anybody know? |
| 00:00.36 | binary010 | anyone ? |
| 00:00.49 | Supaplex | Spiritus55: if you remove with aptitude, it autosenses most of those, and asks on confirmation to remove excess stuff it thinks you don't need anymore |
| 00:00.56 | dgtlpulse2k | well i'm actually rebuilding that machine right now..lol but check this out I just setup a debian file server for DR at a remote site |
| 00:00.57 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: aptitude marks packages as having been installed automatically to satisfy dependencies, and will remove such packages automatically when nothing depends on them anymore |
| 00:01.00 | dgtlpulse2k | i ran that same command on it |
| 00:01.10 | dgtlpulse2k | it's a quad core xeon |
| 00:01.18 | dgtlpulse2k | it didn't have any info on those cores either |
| 00:01.18 | dgtlpulse2k | ! |
| 00:01.24 | dgtlpulse2k | so i was like WTF |
| 00:01.27 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard: So, do I just wait? It's getting pretty tight. (like really tight < 50 megabytes) |
| 00:01.38 | dgtlpulse2k | are my cpu's not being properly detected and configured |
| 00:01.52 | Supaplex | dgtlpulse2k: try the stock debian kernel again. does it work ok there? |
| 00:01.54 | simonrvn | smp kernel? |
| 00:01.58 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: Of course your CPUs are detected -- they show up in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:02.12 | Wyzard | dgtlpulse2k: sounds like you just don't have a cpufreq driver loaded, or maybe the processor doesn't actually support frequency scaling |
| 00:02.20 | simonrvn | i think s/he/it means more than one proc =) |
| 00:02.20 | dgtlpulse2k | well i know they are detected but i'm just wanting to make sure they are configured optimumly |
| 00:02.38 | dgtlpulse2k | i've had the cpu scalling working |
| 00:02.47 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: No, it's not a background thing -- when you mark a package for removal with aptitude, it also marks for removal any auto-installed packages that are no longer needed, so they get removed at the same time |
| 00:02.49 | dgtlpulse2k | i'll have a fresh install setup in like 10 |
| 00:03.01 | Spiritus55 | wyzard, ok, thanks. |
| 00:03.07 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: but it's only effective if you've been using aptitude all along, so that packages which were installed automatically actually have those auto-flags |
| 00:03.22 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: otherwise, everything is marked as being installed manually and won't be removed automatically |
| 00:03.27 | *** join/#debian namit (n=test_acc@83-70-235-113.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 00:03.32 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard: I used apt-get, which is aptitude, just minus the TLI? |
| 00:03.33 | dgtlpulse2k | one more thing, i'm doing net installs and it's giving me the 2.6.18-5-686 kernel how do i get the latest kernel net inst image? |
| 00:03.34 | Supaplex | Spiritus55: and if it's critical, consider using lvm2+ext3. that with resize2fs will save your butt :) |
| 00:03.41 | simonrvn | Spiritus55: no, different |
| 00:03.50 | *** join/#debian EViLGiMp (n=evilgimp@bas1-stcatharines10-1167943841.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 00:03.55 | dgtlpulse2k | that would save me alot of time of trying to recomplile right off the bat |
| 00:03.57 | *** join/#debian tictac (n=tictac@80.78.22.155) |
| 00:04.05 | *** join/#debian Canadian (n=Claude@e235-fx3wifi.mtroyal.ca) |
| 00:04.06 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: not quite... apt-get doesn't do the auto flags like aptitude does (not in etch, at least) |
| 00:04.08 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-9738b577f1c280c5) |
| 00:04.10 | simonrvn | "a lot" |
| 00:04.39 | Supaplex | dgtlpulse2k: that sounds like the latest etch kernel. etch is still shipping security fixes and bug patches, so it's ok even if it appears old^H^H^Hstable |
| 00:04.47 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: Basically, libraries that were installed by apt-get won't be automatically removed when they're no longer needed, unless you manually mark them as auto-installed with aptitude |
| 00:04.56 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard: so, I've used apt-get for virtually everything currently installed, which means that aptitude won't be able see any auto-tags? |
| 00:05.04 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 00:05.05 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: correct |
| 00:05.15 | dgtlpulse2k | if you goto to debian.org it shows a different latest stable kernel? |
| 00:05.42 | binary010 | can anyone here help me with BIND9 |
| 00:05.57 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard: crap... |
| 00:06.10 | Supaplex | binary010: what's the question? |
| 00:06.16 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: You can launch aptitude, highlight the "installed packages" heading, and press 'M', which will mark *everything* as auto-installed (and therefore mark everything for removal too) |
| 00:06.30 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: and then go through your packages and press '+' on the ones you want to keep |
| 00:06.54 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: which will remove the auto flag and unmark the package and its dependencies for removal |
| 00:07.21 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard: ok, thanks. But, the problem is, I've tried removing the packages, but I've only installed the main program, not all the libraries included, so i don't really know all of the libraries that need removing.. |
| 00:07.22 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: If you set the auto flag on everything and then selectively remove it on the top-level packages you want to keep, you'll be left with a correct set of auto flags, and stuff that's no longer needed will be marked for removal |
| 00:07.43 | binary010 | Supaplex: i'm trying to run my own dns at home..i have the router forwarding to my linux box and the bind is setup..how to i tell the registrar that thats my dns..or how do i point it..i have only ip |
| 00:07.44 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: That's why you mark *everything* as auto-installed, and then selectively remove the auto flags on packages you want to keep |
| 00:08.00 | en1gma | im back |
| 00:08.05 | osmosis | how do I rsync to a server where ssh is on port 2210 rather then 22 |
| 00:08.06 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard: I'll try it. |
| 00:08.10 | binary010 | googled4thisnick: i'm trying to run my own dns at home..i have the router forwarding to my linux box and the bind is setup..how to i tell the registrar that thats my dns..or how do i point it..i have only ip |
| 00:08.23 | Supaplex | binary010: rfc requires atleast two. try a free secondary service like afraid.org |
| 00:08.36 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: It's a bit of a pain, but it works pretty well, as long as you're comfortable with going through the full set of installed packages and picking out the ones you specifically want to keep installed |
| 00:09.01 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard: Alright, I'm gonna be doing that for a while. |
| 00:09.03 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: I normally do that as a first step after installation, when there isn't much installed yet, and then use aptitude henceforth so the auto flags are always correct |
| 00:09.04 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 00:09.29 | binary010 | Supaplex: oh ok.. what do i setup in afraid.org... should i be using an alias to pointing to same ip ? |
| 00:09.37 | *** join/#debian xpurple (n=user@68-189-234-57.dhcp.btrc.ne.charter.com) |
| 00:09.40 | Spiritus55 | Wyzard: How exactly do you search in aptitude? I'd use it, just I know the terming, and how to search with apt-get |
| 00:09.46 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 00:09.50 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: When you're done, press 'g' to look at the list of proposed changes, double-check that nothing you want to keep is going to be removed, and then press 'g' again to go ahead and remove the stuff |
| 00:09.54 | Wyzard | Spiritus55: '/' |
| 00:09.58 | *** join/#debian rhavenn (n=rhavenn@byte-inet.bytenetworking.com) |
| 00:10.37 | Supaplex | binary010: huh? an alias? |
| 00:10.45 | binary010 | Supaplex: like ns1.afriad.com ip: 192.168.1.1 and ns2.afraid.com 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:10.56 | *** join/#debian pepe (n=pepe@lak-119-106.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) |
| 00:11.26 | binary010 | Supaplex: ip would be my public ip addresses |
| 00:11.31 | Supaplex | binary010: nonono. ns1.yourdomain.etc ip.ip.ip.ip; ns1.afraid.org the.ir.ip.ip |
| 00:11.47 | *** join/#debian Garda_ (n=Garda@60-240-63-218.tpgi.com.au) |
| 00:11.55 | *** join/#debian lunaphyte__ (n=lunaphyt@static-71-120-128-10.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 00:12.01 | *** join/#debian slap (n=face@58.251.81.127) |
| 00:12.03 | EViLGiMp | is there a command to show a .deb config, like for example, to know what configuration options are set for the mythtv.deb |
| 00:12.07 | Supaplex | binary010: they have to be unique ips. one is yours, the master. one or more for secondaries. |
| 00:12.22 | *** join/#debian thechef (n=testi@217-162-41-157.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 00:12.49 | binary010 | Supaplex: oh i see..so the secondary can be completely different |
| 00:12.58 | *** join/#debian rockets (n=rockets@pool-70-107-156-239.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:13.07 | gravity | EViLGiMp: Like compilation configure options? apt-get source yourdeb ; view yourdeb/debian/rules |
| 00:13.11 | Supaplex | binary010: yeah. |
| 00:13.19 | Supaplex | should be anyhow :P |
| 00:13.33 | gravity | EViLGiMp: That information isn't encoded in the deb outside the build itself. You can also find the build log and read it. |
| 00:13.45 | EViLGiMp | thatnk you |
| 00:13.50 | EViLGiMp | err...thank |
| 00:14.18 | *** join/#debian rockets_ (n=rockets@pool-70-107-145-138.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:15.59 | *** join/#debian Hammar (i=frank@dipb140993.dig-prov.de) |
| 00:16.45 | *** join/#debian thelostbutler (n=thelostb@g1spf.jeeves.ask.info) |
| 00:21.38 | Hammar | how do i convert a postscript file into a .png? |
| 00:21.50 | *** join/#debian jack_wyt (n=jack@124.64.107.9) |
| 00:21.58 | Supaplex | Gimp can do it |
| 00:23.25 | pipeline | Hammar: install imagemagick, and use the "convert" utility :P |
| 00:23.35 | *** join/#debian mx-zoom (n=zupaer-t@bl6-36-232.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 00:24.07 | Supaplex | dgtlpulse2k: after upgrading, I'm offered linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 as well. |
| 00:24.09 | pipeline | Hammar: because it is a ps file, you will need to specify the dpi |
| 00:24.47 | Daveman | oh snap |
| 00:24.50 | *** join/#debian wombat^_^ (n=nemo@60-242-110-35.tpgi.com.au) |
| 00:26.44 | dgtlpulse2k | does anyone know hdparm very well? |
| 00:26.46 | Hammar | right... uhm.. thanks so far |
| 00:27.41 | Hammar | or rather: how can i export a complete website, as viewed in a browser, to .png or .pdf? |
| 00:28.05 | pipeline | Hammar: ps2pdf |
| 00:28.48 | pipeline | Hammar: you can also use html2ps on the front side |
| 00:28.58 | pipeline | Hammar: but your browser will probably render it better |
| 00:29.57 | Hammar | pipeline: thanks, i will try those. |
| 00:30.05 | *** join/#debian user1__ (n=face@58.251.82.2) |
| 00:30.58 | *** join/#debian WildPenguin (n=user@ppp121-45-21-120.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 00:31.44 | *** join/#debian xpurple (n=user@68-189-234-57.dhcp.btrc.ne.charter.com) |
| 00:33.28 | *** join/#debian rpedro__ (n=rpedro@87-196-130-127.net.novis.pt) |
| 00:34.24 | *** join/#debian Ariel_Calzada (n=aricalso@200.29.106.116) |
| 00:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 778] by debhelper |
| 00:39.04 | *** join/#debian phoenixz (n=sven@200.36.106.142) |
| 00:39.24 | *** join/#debian smacnay_ (n=smacnay@bas3-kitchener06-1096641576.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 00:39.30 | *** join/#debian DawnLight (n=DawnLigh@89.1.192.189.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 00:39.48 | *** part/#debian smacnay (n=smacnay@bas3-kitchener06-1096641576.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 00:40.22 | *** join/#debian phoenixz (n=sven@200.36.106.142) |
| 00:41.30 | *** join/#debian binary010 (n=jay@ool-44c2d320.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:41.41 | binary010 | Supaplex: hey are you there ? |
| 00:43.23 | binary010 | i'm using afraid.org as my secondary ns how do i setup AXFR..from my end |
| 00:46.08 | Supaplex | assuming they expect to use you as a master, you should see requests in your syslog |
| 00:46.25 | binary010 | anyone here that can help me with BIND AXFR transfer ? |
| 00:46.40 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@96.144.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 00:46.46 | Supaplex | are their name servers listed as name servers for your domain in your zone file? |
| 00:47.14 | Supaplex | are you allowing udp+tcp access to your dns? |
| 00:47.39 | *** join/#debian quad3d (n=terii@cpe-24-28-31-210.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 00:48.12 | Supaplex | I have some hardware to juggle, so I may not reply in a timely fashion. good luck. |
| 00:48.46 | *** join/#debian freespace (i=steve@60.242.94.250) |
| 00:52.01 | *** join/#debian Noven (n=Noven@ip72-208-111-163.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:52.42 | *** join/#debian afaict (n=afaict@bd2185c4.virtua.com.br) |
| 00:52.43 | afaict | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.04 | afaict | Hi folks |
| 00:53.33 | afaict | How can I take the borders off my aterm ? |
| 00:53.40 | afaict | I'm using fluxbox |
| 00:54.01 | *** join/#debian stiv2k (n=steve@250.19.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 00:54.04 | stiv2k | is there a way to get logs from suspend and acpi while im trying to suspend it to see whats going on |
| 00:54.34 | *** join/#debian Lion-O (n=peter@adsl-69-228-80-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 00:55.15 | *** part/#debian WildPenguin (n=user@ppp121-45-21-120.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 00:55.30 | binary010 | anyone here that can help me with BIND AXFR transfer ? |
| 00:57.45 | *** join/#debian MarcN (n=MarcN@dslv-1-162.mv.com) |
| 00:59.02 | *** join/#debian knopix (n=knopix@203.128.95.42) |
| 00:59.15 | knopix | hello guys |
| 00:59.26 | knopix | last time i've installed debian in my box |
| 00:59.34 | knopix | but i've a problem with gcc |
| 00:59.44 | knopix | the gcc can't compiling squid |
| 00:59.46 | *** join/#debian AfterBurner (n=linux@c93430bb.virtua.com.br) |
| 00:59.53 | *** join/#debian metbsd (n=fdasix@59.40.206.53) |
| 01:00.23 | knopix | any one can help me pls |
| 01:01.19 | Wyzard | knopix: Squid is packaged... why are you compiling it? |
| 01:01.20 | Supaplex | knopix: why not just apt-get install squid? |
| 01:02.19 | *** join/#debian Spiritus55 (i=spiritus@host-208-251-144-217.apid.com) |
| 01:02.32 | \amethyst | knopix: you need whatever development libraries squid requires... apt-get build-dep squid might be helpful if for some strange reason you do need to build it yourself |
| 01:03.21 | *** join/#debian lv (n=lv@ip68-3-13-140.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 01:03.23 | *** join/#debian BlackMagik (n=todd@12.42.7.101) |
| 01:04.07 | *** join/#debian MasterGH (n=MasterGH@unaffiliated/mastergh) |
| 01:04.13 | simonrvn | !tell knopix -about b-e |
| 01:05.05 | BlackMagik | hey everyone. i just did an apt-get install php5-dev. where do i find those files? |
| 01:05.32 | \amethyst | BlackMagik: dpkg -L php5-dev |
| 01:06.19 | BlackMagik | \amethyst: ah, thank you |
| 01:06.23 | knopix | guys, I tried to install squid not from package but from source |
| 01:06.47 | knopix | the other program got same thing with squid (compiling from source) |
| 01:06.48 | Spiritus55 | My sound is extremely low, what can I do to fix this? I think it's something with the driver(?) I've got it turned up all the way, and it's still really quiet. |
| 01:07.03 | MasterGH | Hmm, libcurl3 in unstable is broken (depends on libssh2-0 but it isn't there), would a bug report be the right action for this? |
| 01:07.03 | *** part/#debian MarcN (n=MarcN@dslv-1-162.mv.com) |
| 01:07.05 | Spiritus55 | Also, I just rebooted, and it didn't help anything... |
| 01:07.55 | simonrvn | is all of them turned up? |
| 01:08.03 | simonrvn | s,is,are, |
| 01:08.28 | Spiritus55 | simonrvn: Are you talking to me? |
| 01:08.50 | simonrvn | it just so happens i am Spiritus55 |
| 01:08.58 | *** join/#debian gryfie_ (n=gryfie@p4FD23697.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:09.11 | simonrvn | not to my wife or my little people friends ;P |
| 01:09.20 | Spiritus55 | simonrvn: Ok, well, I have the master volume turned up all the way, but it's still very quiet. |
| 01:09.33 | \amethyst | MasterGH: probably wouldn't hurt... it needs to be recompiled against libssh2-1 |
| 01:09.43 | simonrvn | the pcm too? and tht didn't answer my question ;) |
| 01:09.45 | MasterGH | Since it is needed by a whole heap of popular (I think) packages including games (wormux, bzflag, nexuiz, etc), I thought it would be quite serious |
| 01:10.12 | MasterGH | \amethyst: Yeah, that's what I thought |
| 01:10.18 | Spiritus55 | What do you mean by the pcm simonrvn? |
| 01:10.23 | *** join/#debian nrl_ (n=nrl@prism.ncipher.com) |
| 01:10.28 | simonrvn | MasterGH: hm, really? haven't seen that. is(are) your mirror(s) up to date? |
| 01:10.30 | *** join/#debian interalia (i=loki@ppp121-44-98-134.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 01:10.41 | \amethyst | simonrvn: libssh2-0 went away |
| 01:10.45 | MasterGH | simonrvn: Yeah, I updated a few times |
| 01:10.48 | simonrvn | Spiritus55: there's a switch called PCM in alsamixer |
| 01:10.49 | \amethyst | simonrvn: you probably still have a local copy |
| 01:11.00 | *** join/#debian slap (n=face@58.251.84.52) |
| 01:11.07 | simonrvn | \amethyst: nope |
| 01:11.16 | *** join/#debian Jostein (n=kjonigse@253.42.95.219.brf01-home.tm.net.my) |
| 01:11.26 | \amethyst | simonrvn: It's not listed as a sid package on pdo |
| 01:12.11 | simonrvn | \amethyst: i didn't ask the question dude ;) |
| 01:12.36 | interalia | hi, I'm running bind9 on sarge, master for a couple of local domains as well as forwarding to upstream opendns. |
| 01:13.05 | MasterGH | wengophone, rtorrent, openarena, jigdo, quite a few packages there that use it |
| 01:13.08 | Spiritus55 | simonrvn: I wonder why my pcm got turned down, and thanks, I got it. It was really low. |
| 01:13.21 | interalia | however bind seems to be using the forwarder for unknown addresses, even zones it's the master for |
| 01:13.27 | interalia | any idea how I can stop this? |
| 01:14.07 | *** join/#debian neantror (n=neant@dsl-10-149-55.b2b2c.ca) |
| 01:14.09 | *** join/#debian helder_ (n=helder@200-161-145-22.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 01:14.13 | *** join/#debian krypto (i=krypto@anapnea.net) |
| 01:14.41 | *** part/#debian krypto (i=krypto@anapnea.net) |
| 01:14.51 | helder_ | little question: how I change the apt-get servers? I mean, I done everything that I know, and it still try to download from debian DVDs (that I do not have...) |
| 01:15.00 | interalia | hmm no, I tell a lie. nslookup on fully qualified hosts fails properly, it's only if I do nslookup foooo that it seems to go to the forwarder. |
| 01:15.33 | frankr | Hey, what's the default CUPS port |
| 01:15.36 | neantror | hello, i have a problem.. i installed the fglrx driver from aptitude and now openoffice , totem and amsn wont open anymore bc the fonts are too big.. anyone know how to fix that ? |
| 01:15.37 | interalia | helder_: remove or comment out the CD sources in your sources.list and apt-get update ? |
| 01:15.45 | frankr | I always forget that.. |
| 01:16.05 | MasterGH | There's already a bug report about it for curl, so I guess I won't make one then :) |
| 01:16.46 | \amethyst | MasterGH: ah, I only checked libcurl3 |
| 01:17.05 | *** join/#debian knopix (n=knopix@203.128.95.42) |
| 01:17.21 | MasterGH | \amethyst: hehe, I only just thought to check it then |
| 01:17.21 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@96.144.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 01:18.22 | *** join/#debian DarkCow (n=DarkCow@81-86-66-4.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 01:20.38 | *** join/#debian CAiRO- (n=tooar@p54BE7CE6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:21.01 | dgtlpulse2k | i have a question what would run better on a Dell D620 laptop sarge or etch |
| 01:21.29 | MasterGH | This probably sounds like a silly question, but I've always used the freenode #debian channel, how different is the more official OFTC channel? |
| 01:22.05 | *** join/#debian penma (i=lpcfhm@p508BB78E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:22.20 | keith4 | more official? |
| 01:22.23 | *** join/#debian user1__ (n=face@58.251.89.138) |
| 01:22.32 | knopix | does anyone know how to block peer to peer (e.g. torrent) with iptables |
| 01:23.02 | MasterGH | keith4: it is the 'main' one listed on the Debian website |
| 01:23.12 | *** join/#debian stray_ (n=kim@c-67-168-62-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:23.31 | keith4 | fair enough |
| 01:23.49 | MasterGH | http://www.us.debian.org/support#irc |
| 01:24.01 | keith4 | i believe you |
| 01:24.23 | MasterGH | Oh, I know, just wanted to show you |
| 01:24.26 | peterS | MasterGH: the main difference is that certain people only live on oftc.net, certain people only live on freenode, most of the really helpful ones, and most of the ops, live both places |
| 01:24.30 | helder_ | interalia, where is this file? (in fact, I am a RPM based distro user, I suck at working with apt...) |
| 01:24.32 | *** join/#debian bier_ (n=bier@p54A538A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:24.40 | ameyer | MasterGH: it also only has like 300 people... |
| 01:24.46 | peterS | MasterGH: related is that this channel is a lot bigger and a lot busier |
| 01:24.53 | karsten | gravity: Any chance you could take a quick peek at Bug#439424 and tell me that I'm f*cked for using fglrx 3rd-party drivers? |
| 01:25.09 | keith4 | ugh.... fglrx |
| 01:25.11 | ameyer | knopix: I don't think you can block bittorrent with just iptables |
| 01:25.27 | keith4 | need traffic shaping |
| 01:25.34 | knopix | ameyer: so ... do you have another way |
| 01:25.38 | ameyer | knopix: although blocking port 6969 outbound would help somewhat |
| 01:25.39 | MasterGH | peterS and ameyer: thanks |
| 01:25.42 | keith4 | you can block ports that common BT clients use |
| 01:25.57 | threat | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 01:26.06 | knopix | keith4: what port |
| 01:26.20 | knopix | ameyer: hmm.... |
| 01:26.21 | dgtlpulse2k | does anyone know which version would run better on a Dell D620 laptop sarge or etch |
| 01:26.23 | threat | I need to update gpg keys? |
| 01:26.37 | simonrvn | forget sarge |
| 01:26.38 | karsten | MasterGH: oftc is official, freenode is the original, many folks are on both, I prefer Freenode myself. |
| 01:26.45 | *** join/#debian slapfaceware (n=face@58.251.88.80) |
| 01:26.50 | karsten | threat: Yes. /topic. |
| 01:27.08 | MasterGH | karsten: That is what I gathered from the wiki 'fable' |
| 01:27.11 | Speeder | someone know how I find the file that I need to mess up to remove the CD downloads from apt? |
| 01:27.13 | knopix | ameyer: any other tools to block it |
| 01:27.28 | keith4 | knopix, lookup what the common BT clients use by default |
| 01:27.29 | simonrvn | knopix: unplugging the ethernet cable |
| 01:27.45 | gravity | karsten: Yeah, you're pretty much f*cked for using fglrx period |
| 01:27.47 | karsten | MasterGH: IMVAO the whole "switch" thing was pretty stupid in the first place. Lilo's untimely death really didn't help circumstances. |
| 01:27.54 | *** join/#debian row_ (i=row@87-194-37-143.bethere.co.uk) |
| 01:27.54 | knopix | simonrvn: i think it's not good idea :( |
| 01:27.55 | keith4 | Speeder, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:27.56 | Spiritus55 | !tell gravity about your mom |
| 01:28.00 | simonrvn | Speeder: you mean sources.list |
| 01:28.00 | *** part/#debian interalia (i=loki@ppp121-44-98-134.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 01:28.02 | Speeder | keith4, thanks! |
| 01:28.07 | *** join/#debian Alley (n=user@e179196020.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 01:28.11 | karsten | gravity: Well, at least I'm getting f*cked. |
| 01:28.15 | simonrvn | Spiritus55: o_O |
| 01:28.18 | karsten | gravity: Any better suggestions? |
| 01:28.20 | Spiritus55 | :) |
| 01:28.25 | *** part/#debian Alley (n=user@e179196020.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 01:28.28 | MasterGH | karsten: ah |
| 01:28.32 | gravity | Spiritus55: fuck off |
| 01:28.36 | simonrvn | karsten: "IMVAO" ? |
| 01:28.37 | *** join/#debian Maerz (n=anonym00@pD9EEE23A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:28.41 | Spiritus55 | gravity: <3 you. |
| 01:28.44 | gravity | karsten: Use avivo |
| 01:28.55 | gravity | karsten: Or just avoid GL apps and use vesa I guess |
| 01:29.02 | *** join/#debian sf7 (i=sf7@spnp207207.spnp.nus.edu.sg) |
| 01:29.03 | simonrvn | !imvao |
| 01:29.03 | dpkg | i heard imvao is In My Very Arrogant Opinion (viz. IMAO) |
| 01:29.07 | simonrvn | aah |
| 01:29.11 | keith4 | fglrx isn't terrible... as long as you have low expectations |
| 01:29.20 | gravity | karsten: Doesn't ati support your card? |
| 01:29.22 | simonrvn | keith4: hehe |
| 01:29.34 | ameyer | knopix: bittorrent's not something you can just "block" |
| 01:29.40 | karsten | gravity: avivo? Yeah, I nuked GL apps. Not having Google Earth sorta sucks. |
| 01:29.42 | ameyer | knopix: at least not easily |
| 01:29.53 | karsten | gravity: Unaccelerated, IIRC. Lemme try that again. |
| 01:29.54 | simonrvn | karsten: for sure |
| 01:29.56 | *** join/#debian popt (n=popt@61.232.13.2) |
| 01:30.25 | gravity | It's in the 2d driver... let me look at mesa |
| 01:30.59 | simonrvn | what's this mesa i keep hearing about? is it related to the gl stuff, or did they come up with a new driver? |
| 01:31.05 | karsten | gravity: IIRC the ATI driver works but is slow. |
| 01:31.12 | karsten | simonrvn: mesa == open source GL drivers. |
| 01:31.32 | ameyer | although there might eventually be a decent open source ATI driver |
| 01:31.32 | sf7 | how do i find if my hdd is IDE or SCSI (or whatever)? |
| 01:31.34 | simonrvn | ok, thought so. i thought it was something else called mesa |
| 01:31.58 | ameyer | and allegedly flgrx is sucking less in the near future and/or recently |
| 01:32.05 | simonrvn | sf7: hd is ide sd is scsi (or sata under the scsi sub-system) |
| 01:32.10 | karsten | sf7: IDE == /dev/hd[a-g]. SCSI == /dev/sd[a-g] |
| 01:32.11 | *** part/#debian MasterGH (n=MasterGH@unaffiliated/mastergh) |
| 01:32.16 | simonrvn | sf7: sg is also scsi devices |
| 01:32.23 | ameyer | knopix: http://sourceforge.net/projects/iptables-p2p might work |
| 01:32.34 | *** join/#debian mixman_ (i=net@84.32.74.241) |
| 01:32.40 | ameyer | although I doubt it'll work well against encrypted traffic |
| 01:32.44 | karsten | sf7: What simonrvn said. Some disks are supported via SCSI emulation (eg: some CDROM, USB, SATA, PATA). |
| 01:33.01 | karsten | simonrvn: There probably is. Flat-topped mountains come to mind |
| 01:33.15 | simonrvn | karsten: heh heh heh |
| 01:33.20 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:33.41 | *** join/#debian [1]wajs_ (n=Wajs_@adriana.os3.kn.pl) |
| 01:34.14 | *** join/#debian mx-zoom (n=zupaer-t@bl6-36-232.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 01:35.12 | karsten | gravity: avivo == alternate ATI HW? |
| 01:35.25 | karsten | gravity: Thinkpak T42p, onboard graphics. So I'm sorta stuck with it. |
| 01:35.33 | gravity | karsten: It's for newer cards. It's going away in the future, but it's in experiemntal |
| 01:35.39 | ameyer | avivo is the (now dead) reverse-engineered ATI driver... |
| 01:35.50 | *** join/#debian _Matic`Makovec (i=biggi_ma@k0x.net) |
| 01:35.56 | karsten | ameyer: Details/URL? |
| 01:36.03 | ameyer | since ATI's releasing specs, the reverse-engineering isn't needed anymore |
| 01:36.09 | sf7 | i have both /dev/hdxx and /dev/sdxx - many of each. but only one hdd. |
| 01:36.11 | *** join/#debian Growly (n=himself@125-238-251-116.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) |
| 01:36.13 | karsten | gravity: OK. Chipset is 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2] (rev 80) |
| 01:36.18 | karsten | gravity: Per lspci |
| 01:36.21 | sf7 | how to find which it is? |
| 01:36.32 | karsten | sf7: How many physical devices on that box? |
| 01:36.36 | sf7 | 1 |
| 01:36.44 | gravity | karsten: What's the PCI ID? |
| 01:36.54 | sf7 | 1 hdd, 1 cdrom, 1 fdd |
| 01:37.03 | karsten | sf7: dmesg or /var/log/dmesg should identify disks identified by the kernel at boot. Try starting there. |
| 01:37.39 | karsten | gravity: Where do I get that? |
| 01:37.46 | gravity | karsten: lspci -n |
| 01:37.56 | gravity | Match it to the one from lspci by itself |
| 01:38.15 | simonrvn | sf7: 'mount' |
| 01:38.16 | karsten | gravity: 01:00.0 0300: 1002:4e54 (rev 80) |
| 01:38.40 | *** join/#debian wols (n=klingens@p549DDE49.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:38.41 | gravity | karsten: Yeah, that's supported in mesa |
| 01:38.56 | karsten | gravity: What X.org driver? |
| 01:39.07 | karsten | gravity: Disable / remove fglrx? |
| 01:39.09 | *** join/#debian S4nD3r (n=Carlos@201-34-232-9.gnace703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 01:40.09 | karsten | gravity: Current xorg.conf shows using ati driver. Note I alien'd the RPM, didn't m-a the package as I perhaps should have. |
| 01:40.12 | gravity | karsten: It's ati for X.org. You need to totally remove all traces of fglrx because it replaces GLX |
| 01:40.13 | *** join/#debian slap (n=face@58.251.80.231) |
| 01:40.17 | gravity | erm |
| 01:40.21 | *** join/#debian spinodal (n=jrd@ppp-70-250-153-60.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 01:40.21 | gravity | karsten: That'd be why it's crashing |
| 01:40.23 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@c-71-230-49-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 01:40.24 | sf7 | thx |
| 01:40.35 | gravity | karsten: You can't mix the ati driver with the fglrx glx implementation |
| 01:40.49 | *** join/#debian tictac (n=tictac@80.78.22.155) |
| 01:40.56 | gravity | I thought it looked like ati in your Xorg.0.log |
| 01:41.04 | Supaplex | sweet. my desktop is almost ready for use again. |
| 01:41.36 | karsten | gravity: /msg |
| 01:41.45 | gravity | karsten: You'll need to reinstall the xserver probably to get glx back |
| 01:41.46 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@60-240-63-218.tpgi.com.au) |
| 01:41.48 | gravity | karsten: Sure |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | don't d oit .. karsten is a spammer! |
| 01:41.55 | karsten | gravity: check. |
| 01:42.12 | karsten | abrotman: No, I do that to you because I *love* you. |
| 01:42.25 | abrotman | karsten: but you send me pictures of naked horses! |
| 01:42.36 | karsten | abrotman: That's *me* |
| 01:42.46 | sf7 | mount doesnt seem to list my CDROM. how do i detect if that is SCSI? |
| 01:42.48 | abrotman | karsten: you have a big mane |
| 01:42.59 | karsten | abrotman: I like to think I do. |
| 01:43.07 | frankr | I just bought a new laptop and it has an ati radeon xpress 200m in it, trying to install thefglrx driver, X can't load the driver because it's missing libstdc++.so.5; I have libstdc++.so.6 so I tried symlinking .so.5 to .so.6 but that didn't work; any ideas? |
| 01:43.23 | frankr | long sentence ftl. |
| 01:43.35 | karsten | frankr: If you've been on channel for a few minutes, check my conversation w/ gravity. |
| 01:43.47 | frankr | I have |
| 01:43.51 | gravity | Different problem |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | !find libstdc++.so.5 etch |
| 01:44.19 | *** join/#debian slap (n=face@58.251.89.208) |
| 01:44.19 | simonrvn | so.5 is with the gcc-3.4.x stuff iirc |
| 01:44.42 | karsten | gravity: Just purge the package, no X reconfig required? |
| 01:44.47 | gravity | karsten: I don't know |
| 01:44.52 | peterS | sf7: start with 'grep name /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info', see if it says anything |
| 01:44.58 | Supaplex | owie owie owie. my case jammed my fingernail. owwww! |
| 01:45.12 | Supaplex | ~lart PITA case designers |
| 01:45.12 | apt | chops PITA case designers in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 01:45.26 | peterS | simonrvn: or even gcc-3.3, perhaps. it's old, anyway |
| 01:45.49 | ameyer | nice |
| 01:45.54 | sf7 | drivename hdd... so it's IDE! thanks! |
| 01:46.03 | *** join/#debian CactusMD (n=batman@adsl-149-7-57.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 01:46.10 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 01:46.11 | karsten | gravity: I will soon ;-) |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | Supaplex: 1) remove fingers 2) close case |
| 01:46.16 | gravity | ok |
| 01:46.37 | peterS | abrotman: that's just it, he thought he would do both at once |
| 01:46.43 | *** join/#debian spinodal (n=jrd@ppp-70-250-153-60.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 01:46.55 | *** join/#debian amio (n=amio@xdsl-9657.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl) |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | peterS: not everyone in #debian is sane ... |
| 01:47.23 | *** join/#debian user1__ (n=face@58.251.87.95) |
| 01:47.35 | *** join/#debian magic_pinguim (n=opensour@85.139.140.230) |
| 01:48.08 | Supaplex | abrotman: I was trying to punch out a face plate. I'm glad the one edge is rolled over, or it would have sliced me to the bone. |
| 01:48.27 | *** part/#debian amio (n=amio@xdsl-9657.wroclaw.dialog.net.pl) |
| 01:48.33 | simonrvn | ouchies |
| 01:48.59 | karsten | bbiam |
| 01:49.12 | abrotman | Supaplex: pliers ? |
| 01:49.31 | Supaplex | confined spaces :-/ |
| 01:49.40 | simonrvn | uh, tictac was just k-lined? |
| 01:49.40 | Supaplex | it's out now, so no worries. |
| 01:50.16 | abrotman | simonrvn: i saw that .. dunno |
| 01:51.37 | simonrvn | why am i tired at almost 22? sheesh |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: you've been up since 4? |
| 01:52.21 | *** join/#debian schallstrom_ (n=schallst@p54A35078.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:52.27 | *** join/#debian gustavo (n=gustavo@189.4.82.38) |
| 01:52.30 | simonrvn | no, got up late today, 11 |
| 01:52.35 | DawnLight | simonrvn: perhaps the air around you isn't flowing |
| 01:52.39 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p54BF2830.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:52.44 | *** join/#debian blorp (i=mrj@c-71-205-26-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 01:52.47 | *** join/#debian c0rnd0g (i=c0rny@cpepool1-81.bayoucable.com) |
| 01:52.48 | karsten | gravity: Well, with fglrx purged, google earth still crashes. |
| 01:52.54 | c0rnd0g | evening |
| 01:52.55 | karsten | gravity: ..as in, crashes X |
| 01:53.18 | c0rnd0g | how do i change default gcc that was used for kernel compile so i can install an nvidia driver module to play an GPL 3D game? |
| 01:53.22 | simonrvn | yikes, not just segv in google earth... |
| 01:53.29 | c0rnd0g | in debian.. |
| 01:54.16 | karsten | http://paste.debian.net/37054 |
| 01:54.53 | S4nD3r | Im using kmymoney, but this is in english, is possible to setup in portuguese, but I dont know how... |
| 01:54.54 | gravity | ouch |
| 01:54.55 | *** join/#debian extase (i=extase@paradize.be) |
| 01:55.26 | karsten | gravity: On the other hand, Xscreensaver crashing the X session *does* keep other people from logging in when I'm away.... |
| 01:55.33 | gravity | heh |
| 01:55.44 | gravity | karsten: Can you post the whole log file? |
| 01:55.47 | *** join/#debian rapt0r50 (i=asdf@83-131-61-140.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 01:55.48 | *** part/#debian rapt0r50 (i=asdf@83-131-61-140.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 01:56.15 | *** join/#debian rapt0r50 (i=asdf@83-131-61-140.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 01:56.17 | *** part/#debian rapt0r50 (i=asdf@83-131-61-140.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 01:56.37 | sf7 | how do i find the make of my ethernet card? |
| 01:56.38 | karsten | gravity: http://paste.debian.net/37055 |
| 01:57.32 | karsten | sf7: Look at it. |
| 01:57.38 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:57.38 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 01:57.42 | karsten | sf7: lspci, dmidecode, lshw |
| 01:58.13 | sf7 | :) thx |
| 01:58.35 | karsten | sf7: visually examining the device is still my preferred method. |
| 01:58.38 | gravity | karsten: That's odd, you don't have DRI at all. You're running dual head? |
| 01:58.55 | karsten | gravity: Yeah, xinerama dual head |
| 01:59.06 | karsten | gravity: IIRC the crash doesn't occur single-headed |
| 01:59.06 | simonrvn | line 569 |
| 01:59.20 | null | if I use a custom kernel, and I want to update sarge to etch it will cause problems? the sitiation is critical for me since is a remote server :P |
| 01:59.31 | karsten | simonrvn: Point |
| 01:59.35 | *** join/#debian slapfaceware (n=face@58.251.86.73) |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | null: which kernel version ? |
| 01:59.38 | gravity | karsten: Ok, you might need a newer driver version. Could you report a bug against xserver-xorg-video-ati using reportbug? |
| 01:59.54 | gravity | karsten: Brice is more aware of the current bugs in ati |
| 02:00.10 | karsten | gravity: Sure. Anything particularly useful to add? |
| 02:00.42 | gravity | Mention that you think it's a dual-head issue, and that the log says that DRI is disabled because of dual head |
| 02:00.50 | simonrvn | i should try to hook up the 15"er to the trident |
| 02:01.02 | *** join/#debian Noborusan (n=Noborusa@211.95.176.233) |
| 02:01.14 | null | abrotman: 2.6.19 with grsec patches |
| 02:01.22 | Noborusan | debian rocks :) |
| 02:01.28 | Noborusan | hi guys,good morning. |
| 02:01.35 | abrotman | null: there's no way to guarantee .. but at least you're above 2.6.18 |
| 02:01.36 | simonrvn | hi |
| 02:02.04 | null | abrotman: wich kernel uses etch? |
| 02:02.14 | abrotman | 2.6.18 |
| 02:02.22 | null | uhmm, maybe it helps ... :) |
| 02:02.50 | simonrvn | afk |
| 02:02.58 | null | if grub fails to load 2.6.19, then how to 'try' to load next kernel like debian etch kernel |
| 02:03.12 | null | what is afk simonrvn? I have a bad english :) |
| 02:03.20 | Noborusan | away from keyboard |
| 02:03.28 | null | xD |
| 02:03.45 | null | sometimes I see afaik, no idea what's means |
| 02:03.46 | Noborusan | null, how come you would assume grub will not load 2.6.19 ? any special issue ? |
| 02:04.14 | Noborusan | no idea about afaik. |
| 02:04.21 | null | Noborusan: maybe if it is compiled on debian sarge, maybe it will not load on etch |
| 02:04.44 | Noborusan | ok |
| 02:04.54 | abrotman | !afaik |
| 02:04.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, afaik is as far as I know |
| 02:05.04 | Noborusan | by the way,my grub works great, null ,i use etch. |
| 02:05.04 | *** join/#debian semprix (n=semprix@217.160.248.62) |
| 02:05.17 | null | Noborusan: do you use a custom kernel? |
| 02:05.30 | *** join/#debian solid_liq (n=Solidity@12-207-142-110.client.mchsi.com) |
| 02:05.51 | Noborusan | no,i don't,i followed the suggestions in this channel that not using a custom kernel which is a good idea in debian world. |
| 02:06.24 | Noborusan | so, everything comes to a easy to when need to patch kernel in this matter. just apt-get update && upgrade |
| 02:06.49 | Wyzard | null: The kernel is what loads everything else in the system -- it certainly doesn't depend on anything else in the system |
| 02:06.57 | null | Noborusan: yes but for example, my debian sarge kernel was vulnerable to local root using an exploit called 'h00lyshit', so it was not good for me :) |
| 02:07.00 | *** join/#debian ShockSMX (n=swing@c-71-235-106-85.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) |
| 02:07.32 | Noborusan | null, i think kernel has nothing to do with your release version ? |
| 02:07.42 | null | it is my question :) |
| 02:07.54 | Noborusan | hmm |
| 02:08.13 | null | Wyzard: then, it will load? |
| 02:08.14 | Wyzard | null: And the sarge security team didn't issue an updated kernel with that vulnerability fixed? |
| 02:08.20 | null | Wyzard: nope |
| 02:08.27 | null | sarge kernel is still vuln |
| 02:08.42 | *** join/#debian Growly|BAM (n=himself@125-238-251-116.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) |
| 02:08.49 | null | http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/fulldisclosure/2006-07/att-0310/h00lyshit.c |
| 02:08.57 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 02:08.57 | dpkg | i heard tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 02:08.58 | null | you can try it if you have a debian sarge |
| 02:09.17 | *** join/#debian aardvarc (i=tgAardva@student25.student.nau.edu) |
| 02:09.27 | Wyzard | I find it difficult to believe that the Debian security team would leave a known root exploit, with a patch available, unfixed in a stable release for a significant length of time |
| 02:09.34 | null | aslo, using mount -o remount,noexec /proc fix this stupid exploit |
| 02:09.35 | null | :) |
| 02:10.06 | null | Wyzard: trust me, I was used apt-get update etc every day, and it is still vuln :) |
| 02:10.19 | Wyzard | Well, mounting /proc noexec is always a good idea |
| 02:10.22 | Wyzard | /tmp too |
| 02:10.38 | null | yes, it prevents for some kids |
| 02:11.52 | semprix | abrotman: h0wdy |
| 02:11.56 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:12.12 | semprix | hows it going ? |
| 02:12.15 | Wyzard | null: http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1111 |
| 02:12.35 | Wyzard | null: fixed in 2.6.8-16 for sarge |
| 02:12.53 | null | nice then :) |
| 02:12.54 | karsten | gravity: Done. |
| 02:13.03 | Wyzard | null: so you didn't need your custom kernel after all |
| 02:13.08 | null | the last year was still vuln heheh |
| 02:13.24 | karsten | gravity: And I'm calling it a day, thanks. |
| 02:13.35 | gravity | karsten: No problem |
| 02:13.45 | karsten | gravity: Check your /msgs |
| 02:13.52 | null | grsecurity has patches that increases the linux kernel security as selinux does, why do not to use it? |
| 02:13.53 | *** join/#debian Garda_ (n=Garda@60-240-63-218.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:14.03 | karsten | gravity: Doh, not registerd. |
| 02:14.55 | null | Wyzard: to fix the race condition, kernel compile is mandatory? |
| 02:15.34 | Wyzard | null: According to that page, the fixed packages were released on July 26 of last year |
| 02:15.49 | Wyzard | null: and according to the CVE page, it was reported on July 24 |
| 02:15.57 | Wyzard | null: so Debian had patched it within two days |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | too long! |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | null: for some people .. grsec is overkill |
| 02:16.40 | *** join/#debian contrast83 (n=mike@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:16.47 | Wyzard | null: If you just did "apt-get update" you probably had the fixed kernel installed -- maybe you just never rebooted so you continued running the vulnerable kernel? |
| 02:16.58 | Wyzard | null: oops, "upgrade", not "update", but you know what I mean |
| 02:18.37 | null | Wyzard: maybe you are in right :) |
| 02:18.50 | Wyzard | null: Of course, if you were just "doing apt-get update every day", you weren't actually installing any security fixes |
| 02:18.52 | contrast83 | Greets, everyone... |
| 02:18.56 | *** join/#debian Dougztr (n=doug@c-71-206-219-47.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 02:19.25 | contrast83 | Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with Checkinstall to work with an APTonCD disc? |
| 02:19.26 | null | abrotman: it's a bad idea to use grsec? |
| 02:19.42 | abrotman | null: i'm just saying that it's not for everyone |
| 02:20.28 | null | abrotman: ahh okey :) |
| 02:20.32 | Wyzard | null: It's not necessarily a bad idea, but it might not be worth the extra work of having to compile a custom kernel (and keep track of kernel vulnerabilities yourself, and compile a patched kernel whenever one is found) |
| 02:20.35 | *** join/#debian benje (n=benje@cereli.org) |
| 02:20.46 | Wyzard | null: If you stick with the packaged kernels you get security fixes automatically |
| 02:20.53 | Dougztr | hey guys, whats the preferred method of setting up i810e graphics? i'd like whatever crappy 3D acceleration it can provide, and console framebuffers if possible. |
| 02:21.07 | *** join/#debian danf_1979 (n=daniel@pc-122-78-104-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 02:21.20 | *** join/#debian BUMBACL0T (n=system@ip68-13-212-104.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 02:21.33 | abrotman | !drxx Dougztr |
| 02:21.33 | dpkg | Dougztr: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | Dougztr: and choose i810 as your driver |
| 02:22.58 | Dougztr | can the i810e kernel framebuffer coexist with the xorg i810 driver? |
| 02:23.09 | Wyzard | Dougztr: You can just use vesafb |
| 02:23.35 | *** join/#debian Sub-Zero (n=desk@190.38.177.24) |
| 02:23.40 | Wyzard | Dougztr: That can definitely coexist, even if i810fb can't |
| 02:23.45 | Dougztr | Wyzard, i'm not so sure. the i810e isn't supposed to be vesa compliant |
| 02:23.47 | peterS | Dougztr: most kernel framebuffers and X drivers have no problem coexisting. try it. |
| 02:24.17 | *** join/#debian behanw (n=behanw@d38-64-94.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 02:24.36 | pipeline | Dougztr: That's a crapshoot. It depends on the particular hardware, the particular version of the ideo BIOS, and the particular drivers involved. It might work, it might not. |
| 02:24.37 | Dougztr | I'll try it. Just setting up an old PIII-733 compaq ipaq desktop right now. no slots at all |
| 02:25.26 | Dougztr | I've never messed with i810/815 video before. ty for the tips |
| 02:26.40 | *** join/#debian fnf (n=VAnhTu19@58.187.121.218) |
| 02:27.07 | *** join/#debian jjchen (n=jjchen@58.246.26.222) |
| 02:27.08 | danf_1979 | Is hdparm the right app to stress test a maybe bad hd? |
| 02:27.15 | *** part/#debian fnf (n=VAnhTu19@58.187.121.218) |
| 02:27.29 | *** join/#debian Guerin (n=lewis@121-73-1-241.cable.telstraclear.net) |
| 02:27.43 | benje | Dougztr, use 915resolution too to configure mode |
| 02:29.03 | Daveman | Hey abrotman :) |
| 02:29.40 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:29.42 | *** join/#debian Alam_Debian (n=Alam@c-24-62-188-178.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 02:29.50 | Dougztr | Guys the Etch netinstall iso is working real nice. Smoothest Debian install ever! |
| 02:30.30 | null | Wyzard: to sarge to etch, using apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade will work? what is the best way? |
| 02:30.48 | Daveman | So abrotman, I had a question from earlire... |
| 02:30.55 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@60-240-63-218.tpgi.com.au) |
| 02:31.06 | Wyzard | null: Read the etch release notes on debian.org... that has all the info on upgrading |
| 02:31.19 | Wyzard | null: and you'd use aptitude, not apt-get |
| 02:31.32 | *** join/#debian cast_ (n=cast@fsf/member/cast) |
| 02:31.34 | abrotman | Daveman: it's cold here! |
| 02:31.39 | Daveman | It is? |
| 02:31.40 | Guerin | dpkg, apt-get is also unsoftware |
| 02:31.40 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 02:31.45 | pipeline | null: apt-get is deprecated... it's the old way to do it. |
| 02:31.47 | Daveman | yeah it was a surprisingly cool day, here, too |
| 02:31.54 | Daveman | abrotman, blame global warming? :P |
| 02:32.00 | *** join/#debian tt1 (n=tt1@unaffiliated/hxizan) |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:32.15 | Dougztr | pipeline: so where does dselect fit into the modern scheme of things? |
| 02:32.27 | Guerin | dpkg: obsoleted by aptitude |
| 02:32.27 | pipeline | Dougztr: it doesn't, it's even older cruftier uglier than apt-get. |
| 02:32.34 | Daveman | anyway, problem is, someone did a netinstall on this machine, but apparently no ethernet drivers were installed, but the install disc seems to load all of them fine... |
| 02:32.46 | Daveman | I fixed this sort of thing once before, but I forgot what I did... |
| 02:32.58 | pipeline | Dougztr: apt-get actually had a dselect compatibility mode that could resolve problems through apt if you were crazy enough to use it :D |
| 02:33.16 | Dougztr | pipeline: lol, ok, I'll learn how use aptitude |
| 02:33.25 | pipeline | Dougztr: but yeah, dselect is ancient. I'm kinda surprised that sarge/etch even included dselect, seeing as it's more than ten years deprecated now. |
| 02:33.50 | abrotman | Daveman: how can no network be installed ? |
| 02:34.07 | Daveman | no idea! |
| 02:34.10 | Daveman | it's funky |
| 02:34.16 | Dougztr | pipeline, i think dselect was an original debian package, from the start |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | Daveman: reinstall kernel image " |
| 02:34.26 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:34.33 | Daveman | hrm |
| 02:34.49 | Daveman | any particular way? |
| 02:35.11 | Dougztr | pipeline: i seem to remember being all confused by it back in 1992? when i installed deb from like 20 floppys |
| 02:35.45 | *** join/#debian slap (n=face@58.251.81.55) |
| 02:35.55 | Daveman | heh |
| 02:35.57 | Wyzard | I remember switching to Debian from Red Hat (4.0, I think) after someone showed me dselect :-) |
| 02:35.59 | abrotman | Daveman: aptitude reinstall ? |
| 02:36.02 | pipeline | Dougztr: 1994. And dselect was just kind of a knocked-together way to pick packages off a disc. |
| 02:36.13 | Daveman | oh yeah, and you what's cute, abrotman? |
| 02:36.28 | abrotman | i'm cute? |
| 02:36.43 | Daveman | mount /cdrom --> mount: unknown filesystem iso9660 :P |
| 02:36.46 | Daveman | heh |
| 02:36.47 | Dougztr | pipeline: hehe, my ipaq-733 is almost done installing, with OO! holy cow that was fast |
| 02:36.51 | *** join/#debian jae_ (n=jae@e179201056.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 02:36.54 | Daveman | I'm like, wtf :D |
| 02:37.18 | abrotman | do you have any drivers ? |
| 02:37.25 | contrast83 | Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with checkinstall to work on an APTonCD disc, or how one could add dependencies to a package when making it with checkinstall? |
| 02:37.26 | danf_1979 | Need some help :(. My girlfriend is coming like in an hour or so. I think she has a bad hard disk, but is there any stress test I could run on her hardware? :) |
| 02:37.37 | Daveman | abrotman, they'd have to be built :P |
| 02:37.39 | peterS | iso9660 is an odd duck, in that the module name (isofs) and the filesystem name aren't the same. so it can't be autoloaded without a hint from the modprobe config about the name change |
| 02:37.46 | Daveman | and of course, nothing was installed :P |
| 02:37.55 | Wyzard | danf_1979: smartctl -t long /dev/foo; wait a while; smartctl -l selftest /dev/foo |
| 02:38.00 | Dougztr | pipeline: i'm setting up debian-jr on it for my little girl :-) |
| 02:38.07 | Wyzard | danf_1979: to run the drive's built-in full-surface self-test |
| 02:38.59 | Daveman | PeterS, ah! |
| 02:39.02 | danf_1979 | uhm, Wyzard I'll take a look at that |
| 02:39.06 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 02:40.41 | null | Wyzard: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade then? |
| 02:41.16 | Daveman | So Peters, do I just have to add an alias for it then? :P |
| 02:42.03 | *** join/#debian trebor_h` (n=user@dslb-084-058-213-021.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:42.14 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua_ (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-41-59.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 02:44.06 | Dougztr | anybody here running a rebel netwinder (arm) ? |
| 02:44.21 | Daveman | :\ |
| 02:45.03 | Dougztr | my `winder has woody on it, iirc, think i could upgrade it without making it a brick? |
| 02:45.28 | trebor_h` | hi. this is the first time i try to use wlan. i am using debian 4.0 r0. i fetched the sources of madwifi and compiled them. now i try to connect to my access point. i configured the access point to use a passphrase and wpa. i used wpa_passphrase to configure my machine. how do i set the channel? |
| 02:46.04 | xaque | I would like to setup a squid proxy. I see there is squid, and squid3. Which is best to use? |
| 02:47.30 | Daveman | abrotman, man this blows :p |
| 02:47.53 | *** join/#debian BUMBACL0T (n=system@ip68-13-212-104.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 02:47.58 | *** part/#debian binary010 (n=jay@ool-44c2d320.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:48.09 | abrotman | Daveman: really no NIC drivers ? |
| 02:48.40 | Daveman | installed on the system? |
| 02:48.41 | *** part/#debian jfl1 (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 02:48.45 | abrotman | right |
| 02:48.55 | Daveman | none that go to the nics on the system! |
| 02:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 772] by debhelper |
| 02:49.01 | *** join/#debian muhoo_ (n=muhoo@adsl-69-107-78-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 02:49.08 | Daveman | and yet ALL of them are loaded on the disc ;p |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 02:49.09 | muhoo_ | Err http://http.us.debian.org unstable Release.gpg Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 02:49.13 | muhoo_ | wtf? |
| 02:49.19 | abrotman | bad sync |
| 02:49.22 | cast | xaque: the latter version? :) |
| 02:49.25 | Wyzard | Daveman: ...the drivers are provided by the same package as the kernel |
| 02:49.33 | Daveman | no kidding! |
| 02:49.36 | Daveman | so wtf :D |
| 02:49.39 | Daveman | that's what _I_ said |
| 02:50.11 | *** join/#debian gonzaloaf (n=gonzaloa@201.230.151.1) |
| 02:50.33 | Wyzard | Daveman: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name "*.ko" |
| 02:50.52 | *** join/#debian guiss (n=guiss@172-14-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 02:51.25 | gonzaloaf | hi, how is the correct way to backup all my mails that I downloaded via pop with icedove? |
| 02:51.30 | contrast83 | Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with checkinstall to work on an APTonCD disc, or how one could add dependencies to a package when making it with checkinstall? |
| 02:52.21 | Daveman | well yeah modules are there... hmm |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: they're likely in your $HOME |
| 02:52.45 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, yes there is a .mozilla-thunderbird directory |
| 02:52.50 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, just copy them? |
| 02:52.51 | abrotman | and are they in there ? |
| 02:52.56 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: mbox format ? |
| 02:53.05 | Wyzard | Daveman: depmod -ae |
| 02:53.11 | Wyzard | Daveman: Make sure that doesn't report any warnings |
| 02:53.16 | gonzaloaf | gonzaloaf, excuse me? |
| 02:53.26 | Daveman | haha |
| 02:53.41 | Daveman | okay so the differing archtag is a problem :p |
| 02:53.42 | Daveman | haha |
| 02:53.57 | Daveman | lame, time to symlink |
| 02:53.58 | Wyzard | Daveman: ? |
| 02:54.24 | *** join/#debian TheDreamer (n=youri@root.dyndns.org) |
| 02:54.25 | *** join/#debian GarryFre (n=garry@adsl-63-207-239-56.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 02:54.30 | Daveman | Wyzard, yeah yeah of course depmod returns warning and fatal |
| 02:54.31 | Wyzard | Daveman: You installed a package for one arch on a system of a different arch? |
| 02:54.43 | Daveman | because the lib/modules dir is looking at the wrong version |
| 02:54.45 | *** join/#debian slap (n=face@58.251.88.223) |
| 02:54.55 | Wyzard | Daveman: I'm wondering what you mean by "differing archtag" |
| 02:55.00 | *** join/#debian AfterBurner (n=linux@c93430bb.virtua.com.br) |
| 02:55.01 | Daveman | yeah sorry, misnomer |
| 02:55.12 | Daveman | no it just expects 2.6.15-blah and it's actually 2.6.18- |
| 02:55.19 | Daveman | typical |
| 02:55.39 | trebor_h` | somebody using wpa_supplicant? |
| 02:55.50 | *** join/#debian moyix (n=moyix@66.189.36.235) |
| 02:55.58 | Wyzard | Daveman: You're still not quite making sense... each packaged kernel comes with both a kernel and its modules, of the same version |
| 02:56.06 | Wyzard | Daveman: and each kernel looks for modules of its own version |
| 02:56.18 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, there are many files inside the Mail/<address> and .msf files |
| 02:56.21 | *** join/#debian stas_ (n=stas@CPE0048548bdd27-CM0012c90d0f8c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:56.25 | liable | trebor_h`: just ask |
| 02:56.27 | Wyzard | Daveman: What kernel version are you actually running? |
| 02:56.51 | abrotman | gonzaloaf: it's liekly mbox .. you can 'cat' them .. and read them with many MUAs |
| 02:57.05 | Daveman | 2.6.15 |
| 02:57.08 | trebor_h` | liable: what is the difference between wpa-eap and wpa-psk? how do i set the channel? |
| 02:57.11 | Daveman | :P |
| 02:57.16 | *** join/#debian juanfgs (n=juanfgs@200.49.15.170) |
| 02:57.38 | Wyzard | Daveman: then you should be looking for 2.6.15 modules... symlinking to 2.6.18 modules won't work |
| 02:57.47 | Noborusan | can i ask, abc.com this is a 2nd class domain ? |
| 02:57.53 | Daveman | wyzard, oh really? |
| 02:57.57 | liable | trebor_h`: it will set the channel itself, and if you dont know, you want wpa-psk |
| 02:58.09 | Wyzard | Daveman: Do you have a 2.6.15 directory in /lib/modules? |
| 02:58.25 | Daveman | nope |
| 02:58.29 | Daveman | just the 2.6.18 dir |
| 02:58.29 | gonzaloaf | abrotman, so backuping is just copying that files? |
| 02:58.42 | Wyzard | Daveman: then your 2.6.15 kernel installation is incomplete |
| 02:58.48 | abrotman | liekly . .. |
| 02:58.48 | Daveman | heh |
| 02:58.56 | Daveman | yeah, that's what I would have suspected |
| 02:58.59 | Wyzard | Daveman: but why are you running 2.6.15 anyway, when 2.6.18 is installed? |
| 02:59.13 | Daveman | it's not installed? but apparently, it was! |
| 02:59.19 | Daveman | mysterious |
| 02:59.26 | Wyzard | Daveman: Look in /boot and see what kernels you have |
| 02:59.31 | Daveman | yeah |
| 02:59.37 | *** join/#debian user1__ (n=face@58.251.91.9) |
| 02:59.38 | Daveman | 2.6.18 |
| 02:59.50 | Wyzard | Daveman: That's the supported kernel in etch, and the one you should be running |
| 02:59.54 | trebor_h` | liable: ok. so i will put wpa_psk into my wpa_supplicant.conf. |
| 03:00.03 | Daveman | right |
| 03:00.17 | Wyzard | Daveman: dunno where your broken 2.6.15 came from; you should remove that |
| 03:00.19 | *** join/#debian frankr_ (n=frankr@ool-44c0abd0.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:00.24 | Daveman | heh |
| 03:00.46 | *** join/#debian lunaphyte__ (n=lunaphyt@static-71-120-128-10.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 03:00.48 | Daveman | yeah it's too bad the netinst cd still blows |
| 03:00.56 | frankr_ | Hi guys, I'm on my gateway 520 laptop and it has an audio chip thats supported in linux; all modules are loaded, jack can use the device through alsa,still no audio output |
| 03:01.00 | Wyzard | Daveman: How so? |
| 03:01.04 | frankr_ | according to alsamixer the volume is all the way up |
| 03:01.07 | Daveman | damnit 'expert' mode means I KNOW WHAT I want to do :P |
| 03:01.11 | Wyzard | Daveman: That 2.6.15 certainly didn't come from etch's netinst |
| 03:01.20 | Daveman | uhh, yeah, I'm not sure |
| 03:02.07 | Dougztr | Egads, the Etch installer took maybe 1.5 hours, it autodetected everything, booted into gnome and is doing an auto update |
| 03:02.17 | Daveman | Wyzard, I would have liked to reinstall the kernel from the netinst disc, right? :P |
| 03:03.27 | Daveman | but it places a prereq on diskpart in the ui, which I think is kind of silly |
| 03:03.57 | Wyzard | Daveman: You already have etch's 2.6.18 installed... there's nothing to reinstall |
| 03:04.25 | Dougztr | 2.6.18 is a very good kernel in my experience |
| 03:04.36 | *** join/#debian zamuro (n=Dies_Ira@190.75.216.193) |
| 03:04.44 | Daveman | yeah yeah |
| 03:04.54 | *** join/#debian rekeeL (n=dfsef@24.214.228.192) |
| 03:04.54 | Daveman | it's weird though |
| 03:05.01 | *** join/#debian stas__ (i=stas@66.175.212.246) |
| 03:05.28 | *** part/#debian rekeeL (n=dfsef@24.214.228.192) |
| 03:05.33 | Daveman | modules aren't wrong format... |
| 03:05.40 | Daveman | why is it using 2.6.15 >:( |
| 03:05.54 | Daveman | oh |
| 03:06.01 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-109-62.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:06.45 | Daveman | okay haha |
| 03:06.49 | Daveman | caught with the basics |
| 03:07.28 | Wyzard | Daveman: You're talking to yourself and not making much sense |
| 03:07.43 | Daveman | Agreed :) |
| 03:07.57 | Dougztr | Muahaha! I'm never installing Gentoo on anything but my personal system ever again... |
| 03:07.57 | trebor_h` | liable: if i do wpa_supplicant -d -Dmadwifi -iath0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf i get: scan results 0, no suitable ap found. what can be the reason for this? |
| 03:08.49 | *** join/#debian deisys (i=deisys@147.46.239.103) |
| 03:09.48 | Daveman | :P |
| 03:10.16 | Dougztr | what package has glxgears? |
| 03:10.48 | Wyzard | Dougztr: mesa-utils |
| 03:11.37 | *** join/#debian muhoo (n=muhoo@adsl-69-107-78-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 03:11.44 | muhoo | i repeat: wtf??! |
| 03:11.47 | muhoo | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 03:11.47 | liable | trebor_h`: try -D wext |
| 03:11.50 | *** join/#debian tnks (n=tnks@66-90-245-150.dyn.grandenetworks.net) |
| 03:11.53 | muhoo | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 03:12.02 | muhoo | what's going on over there? |
| 03:12.13 | liable | trebor_h`: reload the module as well if it fails |
| 03:12.24 | ameyer | muhoo: sounds like the tubes got clogged |
| 03:12.35 | ameyer | it's not a truck, you know |
| 03:12.43 | muhoo | bummer it's not a PARALLEL of tubes |
| 03:12.46 | muhoo | those series, they suck |
| 03:12.48 | trebor_h` | liable: thanks, trying. |
| 03:13.06 | *** join/#debian muhoo__ (n=muhoo@adsl-69-107-78-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 03:13.40 | *** join/#debian ramin (n=ramin@pool-71-247-140-137.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:14.00 | ramin | i installed bittorrent but i dont have the bittorrent command?? |
| 03:14.11 | ramin | how do i run bittorrent in debian? |
| 03:14.19 | ramin | i got bittorrent-gui as well |
| 03:14.25 | ramin | and neither is in my paths |
| 03:14.40 | ramin | i logout login too |
| 03:15.37 | *** join/#debian b4ggi0 (n=Patrick@59.151.39.154) |
| 03:15.47 | Wyzard | ramin: The bittorrent package doesn't contain a command called "bittorrent" |
| 03:15.53 | Coweater | ramin btdownloadgui i think or btdownloadgui.bittorrent |
| 03:16.39 | *** join/#debian phpusmo (n=phpusmo@c-98-200-216-158.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 03:16.47 | phpusmo | is there a windows media services alternative for linux |
| 03:17.03 | geo-rge | let me just ask how this works... first what is a "torrent file"? |
| 03:17.15 | Wyzard | ramin: Consider using the "bittornado" package instead, btw -- it's an enhanced version |
| 03:17.20 | *** join/#debian niru (n=niru@203.129.255.178) |
| 03:17.24 | Ronin | geo-rge: www.google.com ;) |
| 03:17.31 | niru | hi Rockj |
| 03:17.35 | niru | hi Ronin |
| 03:18.07 | krazykit | phpusmo, depends. what does "windows media services" do? |
| 03:18.09 | frankr_ | bah |
| 03:18.15 | Wyzard | geo-rge: It's a small file that contains metadata about some files (SHA1 hashes for each chunk of the file, mainly) and a URL for a bittorrent tracker |
| 03:18.22 | *** join/#debian Cripps (n=Cripps@stjhnf0127w-142162014051.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) |
| 03:18.24 | frankr_ | the xgl/compiz scene is just such a complete mess right now |
| 03:18.41 | frankr_ | someone really needs to make a site with binaries for lots of different distros so its not such a pain |
| 03:19.03 | phpusmo | hello? |
| 03:19.16 | Wyzard | frankr: The distros each distribute their own binaries |
| 03:19.16 | geo-rge | Wyzard: ok, I understand everything (generally) up to but not including "tracker" |
| 03:19.26 | geo-rge | sello! |
| 03:19.33 | *** join/#debian tuxd00d (n=tuxinato@128.187.129.156) |
| 03:19.37 | *** join/#debian RainbowW (n=rnbwpnt@adsl-68-94-4-156.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 03:19.57 | Wyzard | geo-rge: The tracker is a server that everyone connects to, and it gives clients' IP addresses to each other so they can connect to each other and transfer data |
| 03:20.28 | geo-rge | ok... |
| 03:20.29 | Cripps | for some reason I'm getting no sound output from my laptop ... I've recently reinstalled etch 32 bit. I have tried all the usual suspects ('adduser <user> audio', alsamixer), to no avail. I've tested with files I know have working sound using mplayer and vlc, as well as trying without my headphones ... all to no avail. Could somebody lend me a hand in getting my audio to work? |
| 03:20.35 | Wyzard | geo-rge: suppose you and I both run torrent clients on the same torrent file -- both our clients connect to the tracker, and the tracker gives me your IP address and gives you mine |
| 03:20.46 | Wyzard | geo-rge: so our two torrent clients end up connecting to each other directly |
| 03:21.03 | *** join/#debian lunaphyte__ (n=lunaphyt@static-71-120-128-10.gdrpmi.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 03:21.06 | Wyzard | geo-rge: and then I can send you chunks of the file that I already have, and you can send me chunks that you already have |
| 03:21.10 | RainbowW | so i have an old dell poweredge 2400 server -- an smp pentium iii machine -- that has an adaptec scsi controller and a perc ii-si raid5 controller. if the raid5 controller is on, the machine stops at the end of post, as if there's nothing on the mbr. if the raid controller is off, it boots okay. this is a new install of lenny; it did not do this drive swap nonsense under woody. what do i tweak? |
| 03:21.58 | Wyzard | geo-rge: basically everyone participating in a torrent ends up connecting to each other and sending chunks of files to each other until eventually everyone has all the chunks |
| 03:22.10 | en1gma | i got a couple questions about the debian floppy install if anyone dont mind...prob wont be able to find anyone whos done it before :) |
| 03:22.28 | Cripps | en1gma, you'd be surprised. |
| 03:22.33 | en1gma | ha i was wondering |
| 03:23.06 | Cripps | I've done it on an *ollld* p1 233MHz laptop. |
| 03:23.06 | geo-rge | en1gma: the floppy install is at minimum two floppies (but also more floppies for drivers) |
| 03:23.08 | krazykit | i did a floppy install once. that wasn't fun. |
| 03:23.23 | en1gma | well all my ide cables are full of hard drives so the only correct way for me to install is by floppy...but i was thinking about making a repo on my windows box...and just using the floppies to pull info from there |
| 03:23.39 | geo-rge | krazykit: under d-i? or befroe? |
| 03:23.46 | geo-rge | boot-floppies? |
| 03:23.53 | Wyzard | en1gma: You can use a USB flash drive to install from, if the machine supports booting from those |
| 03:24.03 | en1gma | ok heres the Q...during a floppy install can i still do bare minimum installs or is it going to do a desktop enviroment...like is the installer just like a net-install |
| 03:24.05 | *** mode/#debian [+l 778] by debhelper |
| 03:24.10 | Cripps | en1gma, I wouldn't know about that, I usually used the floppies to connect and install from the gulus.usherbrooke.ca repo |
| 03:24.14 | *** join/#debian gridl0ck (n=cube@pdpc/supporter/active/radius) |
| 03:24.19 | en1gma | yea the machine is older and wont do a usb boot |
| 03:24.20 | geo-rge | the sucky boot-floppies that all the developers were afraid to let go of |
| 03:24.23 | Cripps | en1gma, that is entirely up to you |
| 03:24.24 | ameyer | if you've got a *nix, you can convince the bootloader to load the installer, in theory |
| 03:24.28 | RainbowW | en1gma why not disconnect one hard drive, you'd most likely mount it to somewhere /home anyway, so you can hang the cd drive there and mount /home later. |
| 03:24.31 | c0rnd0g | can i change default gcc computer on fly? |
| 03:24.35 | Wyzard | en1gma: A floppy install is basically a netinstall... you use the floppies to get the installer loaded, and everything else is downloaded as necessary |
| 03:24.41 | krazykit | geo-rge, it was awhile ago... pretty sure ended up just using debootstrap after loading the floppies. |
| 03:24.53 | Wyzard | en1gma: Well, not quite true; you can use a CD as a package source if you have one |
| 03:24.59 | en1gma | im just saying is the installer like a regular installer even though im using floppies...like is the installer crippled |
| 03:25.05 | *** join/#debian dpkg (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 03:25.10 | Cripps | has anyone else experienced audio difficulties like what I described earlier? |
| 03:25.12 | en1gma | i can use a cd in the windows box? |
| 03:25.19 | Wyzard | en1gma: but you have the same options for how much to install (i.e. desktop task, server task, none, etc.) as any other installation, afaik |
| 03:25.29 | geo-rge | en1gma: you'd have a driver disk for different cdroms, for different net cards, and probably for different disk controllers |
| 03:25.30 | en1gma | well believe it or not the windows box dont have dvd/cd-rom either |
| 03:25.38 | c0rnd0g | anyone have an answer for c0rnd0g? |
| 03:25.44 | Wyzard | en1gma: If you set up an HTTP or FTP server on the Windows box and had it serve the files from the CD, sure |
| 03:25.46 | RainbowW | en1gma no it's not cripped, it's a baby netinstall -- just enough to get your kernel going, and get the network going, and that's it. everything else gets downloaded, but you wind up with the same machine in the end |
| 03:25.47 | Cripps | en1gma, considering the whole installer was based off of the boot-floppies installer, I'd say "no," the installer is not crippled. |
| 03:25.50 | Wyzard | en1gma: but you could also just use your Internet connection |
| 03:26.05 | en1gma | when i add a dvd/cd-rom to the windows box it drawes to much power and shuts my hard drives off |
| 03:26.18 | RainbowW | jesus, get a bigger power supply |
| 03:26.19 | geo-rge | c0rnd0g: if the question is "c0rnd0g?" the obvious answer is "yes! especially if they' |
| 03:26.31 | geo-rge | from santa cruz beach/boardwalk!" |
| 03:26.31 | en1gma | yea i usually do the internet connection with net-install cd but since i added the 4th drive i have no more cd |
| 03:26.42 | ameyer | I find it easier to install a barebones CLI and the software I need, to be honest |
| 03:26.47 | en1gma | but i reinstall so much i think i want to have it local so i can do reinstalls faster |
| 03:26.58 | en1gma | ameyer im with ya on that |
| 03:27.04 | geo-rge | then you'd want a local mirror |
| 03:27.08 | RainbowW | en1gma so devote one of your drives to being a local mirror |
| 03:27.10 | en1gma | i dont even select desktop enviroment or system |
| 03:27.25 | en1gma | well the windows box has 4 drives in a raid0 but its 320gigs |
| 03:27.27 | c0rnd0g | geo-rge: i do not comprende dat reply my quest was to change the default compiler for lenny gcc version-wise |
| 03:27.37 | en1gma | someone told me make an ftp server and just get from that |
| 03:27.47 | RainbowW | en1gma: so install cygwin on it and dump it on there |
| 03:27.48 | geo-rge | you do that in your makefile |
| 03:28.00 | en1gma | cygwin is installed :) just did the full install |
| 03:28.11 | *** join/#debian SF8 (i=SF7@nusnet-201-154.dynip.nus.edu.sg) |
| 03:28.12 | Wyzard | en1gma: You plan to reinstall your big fileserver frequently? |
| 03:28.16 | geo-rge | gcc (which is a driver program) will let you select what version of the compiler to run |
| 03:28.16 | en1gma | yep |
| 03:28.17 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:28.23 | en1gma | well it not a file server |
| 03:28.25 | en1gma | its a router |
| 03:28.27 | RainbowW | en1gma so you have everything you need to make that machine a debian mirror. |
| 03:28.29 | en1gma | 5 nics in it |
| 03:28.46 | geo-rge | nic at nite |
| 03:28.47 | Wyzard | en1gma: a router whose IDE ports are all full of hard drives? |
| 03:28.49 | c0rnd0g | lol |
| 03:28.56 | en1gma | RainbowW well thats the fork in the road im at...ppl say make an ftp server and some ppl say use cygwin |
| 03:29.04 | c0rnd0g | i got a masonic planet in my large intestine |
| 03:29.09 | en1gma | Wyzard yea i like to compile |
| 03:29.24 | en1gma | with the swap on its own hd it makes it go faster |
| 03:29.33 | geo-rge | c0rnd0g: uhoh, better go to a freemason meeting |
| 03:29.36 | en1gma | like it to boot up fast too |
| 03:29.42 | Wyzard | en1gma: You don't need an entire hard drive worth of swap |
| 03:29.56 | en1gma | well my hard drives are a 2, 3, 4 and 13 giger |
| 03:30.03 | Wyzard | en1gma: and if you're swapping heavily during bootup, you're in dire need of more RAM |
| 03:30.04 | RainbowW | and how much ram? |
| 03:30.05 | en1gma | the swap is on the 2giger |
| 03:30.08 | en1gma | 256 ram |
| 03:30.13 | geo-rge | but... swap -is- faster if it's the only activity on the drive |
| 03:30.22 | en1gma | geo-rge is correct |
| 03:30.23 | RainbowW | you don't even need 2g swap, you need like ... 512m. |
| 03:30.39 | en1gma | well its a pos 2giger so i thought i would be nice to the swap |
| 03:30.40 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:30.42 | c0rnd0g | geo-rge: mebbe dey got a female with long fingers to remove it |
| 03:30.48 | geo-rge | and it's also faster if it's on its own controller |
| 03:31.03 | en1gma | Wyzard for some reason i like compiling :) |
| 03:31.16 | en1gma | and its even better doing it from ssh cayse i can still surf |
| 03:31.18 | Wyzard | en1gma: compiling what? |
| 03:31.29 | Wyzard | en1gma: If it's a router, all it does is pass packets around |
| 03:31.39 | en1gma | well basically i trying to get my kernel perfect so i turn some options off and some on |
| 03:31.43 | en1gma | and then do it again |
| 03:31.44 | Daveman | hmm |
| 03:32.07 | en1gma | im thinking about making the 13giger for network storage (even though its small |
| 03:32.10 | RainbowW | see, guys ... for en1gma ... this machine is ... a toy. that's why he's doing such dorky crap with it. he's playing. :-) |
| 03:32.13 | Dougztr | twiddling knobs? usually its better to know what you're doing |
| 03:32.13 | en1gma | and i might add a usb printer |
| 03:32.18 | niru | hello all |
| 03:32.34 | c0rnd0g | so i take it in #debian-overflow not a 1 knows how to change version of default compiler for Debian? well, ok. den. have a good time drinkin White Mentholated tea. mebbe your cat will spray you in your face! |
| 03:32.34 | geo-rge | c0rnd0g: so, do you have more than one gcc? |
| 03:32.36 | en1gma | RainbowW BINGO! |
| 03:32.38 | c0rnd0g | LOL |
| 03:32.41 | en1gma | its my toy :) |
| 03:32.41 | *** part/#debian c0rnd0g (i=c0rny@cpepool1-81.bayoucable.com) |
| 03:32.52 | Wyzard | en1gma: Does this machine actually connect to five networks with those five NICs? |
| 03:32.57 | en1gma | nope |
| 03:32.59 | en1gma | lol |
| 03:33.09 | en1gma | only the windows box goes through it |
| 03:33.18 | en1gma | but its fun |
| 03:33.18 | Wyzard | or do you just have them bridged together? |
| 03:33.21 | *** join/#debian GullyFoyle (n=Wanker@c-71-235-62-249.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) |
| 03:33.42 | Wyzard | OK, so it's a home router that might also do some other stuff besides routing |
| 03:33.47 | en1gma | i have bridged em before but from what i read (when i add a wireless nic) it dont like bridgin..so i have everything on seperate networks |
| 03:33.50 | RainbowW | for some reason, when i turn my raid controller on, the box tries to boot off of it rather than the non-raid controller. i can't see how to adjust this in the bios. is there a way to get grub installed on the raid array and flip it back around at boot? |
| 03:33.56 | en1gma | Wyzard yea |
| 03:34.04 | en1gma | i do like nmap and learning arp stuff |
| 03:34.26 | *** join/#debian sunway (n=sunway_b@124.64.68.69) |
| 03:34.28 | Wyzard | en1gma: I have my router split into three virtual machines with Xen: one that's the router itself, running a minimum of services; one that's the DHCP/DNS server; and one for file storage and apache |
| 03:34.35 | en1gma | and i want to hook all my nics into my previous isp cable-modem router/gateway i kept and brute force it |
| 03:34.41 | geo-rge | en1gma: see if you can get this... the packets that go over ethernet have like 7 layers and there are devices that only deal with the outer layer... |
| 03:34.42 | *** join/#debian padd173 (n=karjala@77.49.132.89) |
| 03:34.44 | *** part/#debian padd173 (n=karjala@77.49.132.89) |
| 03:34.49 | en1gma | 4 nics from my box going into the 4 ports of it |
| 03:34.50 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:35.03 | *** part/#debian sunway (n=sunway_b@124.64.68.69) |
| 03:35.10 | en1gma | geo-rge i learning a little hear and there |
| 03:35.15 | en1gma | youtube has tuts |
| 03:35.16 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:35.20 | Wyzard | I see no need for a custom-tweaked kernel on a home router though |
| 03:35.28 | Wyzard | It's unlikely to make a noticeable difference |
| 03:35.30 | geo-rge | youtube has nuts?? what?? |
| 03:35.33 | Quintin | I see no need for Linux on a router......... |
| 03:35.37 | RainbowW | Wyzard, as i said, he's using it as a toy and learning tool. |
| 03:35.41 | en1gma | well i want the kernel as small as possible just like a routers is |
| 03:35.53 | RainbowW | Quintin, I see no need for anything else. |
| 03:35.58 | geo-rge | Quintin: lets you do more |
| 03:36.00 | en1gma | yea i having fun with it |
| 03:36.08 | Quintin | ... |
| 03:36.10 | Wyzard | en1gma: The standard kernel has everything built as modules, so you just don't load modules for hardware you don't have |
| 03:36.13 | Wyzard | en1gma: It's already small |
| 03:36.16 | Quintin | FreeBSD is what routers use, you silly people |
| 03:36.23 | *** join/#debian krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:36.23 | Quintin | anything else is.. foolish |
| 03:36.25 | Wyzard | Quintin: or OpenBSD |
| 03:36.25 | geo-rge | Quintin: I don';t recognize that response |
| 03:36.37 | Quintin | Wyzard: also acceptable |
| 03:36.42 | en1gma | it looks like old cell phones...you know how they used to be huge....compared to my friends tiny little belkin 4 port wireless router |
| 03:36.43 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:36.57 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@CPE0000c09c75da-CM0018c0c4cacc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 03:36.57 | Wyzard | en1gma: You want to give up automatic security updates for your kernel, and waste a bunch of time compiling, to make your kernel a few kilobytes smaller for no actual benefit? |
| 03:36.57 | geo-rge | Quintin: oh, I see, an operating system war |
| 03:36.58 | en1gma | BUT mine will be more secure and can use network storage and usb printer share |
| 03:37.12 | geo-rge | that's not useful |
| 03:37.19 | Dougztr | For some reason the stock debian kernels run really fast. Heck if I know why though |
| 03:37.24 | en1gma | Wyzard i can make kernel so small it will fit on a floppy |
| 03:37.25 | RainbowW | Wyzard ... it's a toy for him. So, the answer to that question is ... yes. |
| 03:37.34 | Quintin | geo-rge: shrug. BSD is pretty awesome. and handles load better than Linux. But I don't use it for a lot of stuff anymore, just cause I can get debian up and running so quickly |
| 03:37.35 | en1gma | bet you cant with your system and have it run right |
| 03:37.55 | Wyzard | en1gma: I could, sure, but where's the benefit in that? |
| 03:37.59 | Wyzard | en1gma: I'm not booting from a floppy |
| 03:38.00 | Dougztr | en1gma: maybe you should try Gentoo on that router thingy? |
| 03:38.02 | en1gma | no you cant |
| 03:38.11 | en1gma | you wont have sound or video or X |
| 03:38.16 | geo-rge | Quintin: isnt' there a debian gnu/freebsd or something? |
| 03:38.33 | Quintin | geo-rge: yea.. I've never used it. It sounds potentially AWESOME though |
| 03:38.33 | Wyzard | en1gma: X isn't part of the kernel anyway, but yes, I understand that a minimal kernel won't have lots of drivers |
| 03:38.35 | *** join/#debian GarryFre (n=garry@adsl-63-207-239-56.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 03:38.36 | en1gma | Dougztr after i got used to apt-get there is no way i can leave debian |
| 03:38.51 | geo-rge | (or did someone decide "those pesky debian developers will ruin freebsd's purity by changing the userland" |
| 03:38.52 | en1gma | Wyzard no you wont make it to desktop |
| 03:38.54 | geo-rge | ) |
| 03:39.01 | Quintin | en1gma: yea, I got a CentOS box... futzed with it for 2h then said "fuck it" and got debian on it |
| 03:39.02 | en1gma | if it fits on floppy |
| 03:39.20 | Dougztr | en1gma: mmkay. i run gentoo on my personal box, but anything else gets debian. too much maintenance otherwise |
| 03:39.30 | en1gma | ive tried every distro out (came here from using slack for 5 years) and i just love apt-get |
| 03:39.53 | en1gma | yast is nice but apt-get just works right everytime |
| 03:39.59 | geo-rge | Quintin: when I saw "<Quintin> ..." I didn't understand or recognize that response... |
| 03:40.03 | geo-rge | what did you mean by it? |
| 03:40.06 | *** join/#debian BUMBACL0T (n=system@ip68-13-212-104.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 03:40.34 | Wyzard | en1gma: You've told me you "bet I can't" build a minimal kernel, and then explained to me that a minimal kernel is no good for a desktop system... that has nothing to do with what I said, which is that compiling a custom minimal kernel provides no real benefit for your router |
| 03:40.42 | Cripps | en1gma, I hardly believe that you've tried *every* distro out there ... there are hundreds, and growing by the day. |
| 03:40.57 | *** join/#debian yogurt2ungue (n=yogurt2u@host64.190-30-93.telecom.net.ar) |
| 03:41.15 | en1gma | Wyzard you said why would i want a minimal kernel i only save a few bytes...well it will fit on a floppy and my system will still run perfect |
| 03:41.23 | en1gma | dont forget i have no cdrom |
| 03:41.39 | geo-rge | by "every" probably he meant "redhat and debian" :) |
| 03:41.55 | Wyzard | en1gma: You have no cdrom, but you have four hard drives... why would you need a kernel that can fit on a floppy? |
| 03:41.57 | en1gma | well you know the big names and i think i have tried every live distro |
| 03:42.11 | Cripps | geo-rge, lol. |
| 03:42.12 | en1gma | i reinstall alot |
| 03:42.24 | en1gma | if i can load kernel to floppy thats good for something |
| 03:42.32 | en1gma | to = from |
| 03:42.33 | Dougztr | I run texas kernels, theyre the BIGGEST kernels around. |
| 03:42.36 | Wyzard | en1gma: and for that you use the installer floppies, which already have a kernel |
| 03:42.42 | Cripps | Dougztr, :P |
| 03:42.48 | niru | my preconfiguration file is not gettting retrieved in other systems from usb |
| 03:42.51 | en1gma | yea but i wont have to dload build tools |
| 03:42.53 | RainbowW | for some reason, when i turn my raid controller on, the box tries to boot off of it rather than the non-raid controller. i can't see how to adjust this in the bios. is there a way to get grub installed on the raid array and flip it back around at boot? |
| 03:42.58 | niru | do i need to increase the timeout |
| 03:43.03 | en1gma | everything will be "built-in" not modules |
| 03:43.07 | Wyzard | en1gma: or you could take out the 2GB hard drive and put in a CD drive instead... |
| 03:43.14 | Cripps | Dougztr, texas kernel = git kernel + "make allyesconfig" ? |
| 03:43.15 | geo-rge | en1gma: so you now have a debian on this router box... yes? |
| 03:43.20 | *** part/#debian phooka (n=phooka@unaffiliated/phooka) |
| 03:43.24 | GullyFoyle | i used to use mandr[ake/iva] and urpmi was the closest i've ever seen to apt-get. it worked really well |
| 03:43.24 | en1gma | thats how i installed debian and dont like taking box apart all the time |
| 03:43.25 | Dougztr | Cripps: hehe |
| 03:43.34 | Cripps | Dougztr, you laugh ... I do that a lot :P |
| 03:43.52 | en1gma | omg |
| 03:43.54 | en1gma | no you all dont |
| 03:44.09 | en1gma | y = bad for everything :) |
| 03:44.10 | *** join/#debian Pons (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) |
| 03:44.34 | Dougztr | debian kernels have like every module imaginable built, yet somehow they run fast |
| 03:44.37 | Cripps | make allyesconfig is the easiest way to see if one change plays nicely with everything else. |
| 03:44.41 | geo-rge | dibbles dabble but they don't falll down... |
| 03:44.48 | en1gma | some conflict with eachother |
| 03:44.55 | Quintin | Dougztr: having modules built means nothing |
| 03:45.01 | Quintin | it's 'module' for a reason |
| 03:45.21 | en1gma | if you buld em all Y thats not good is it ? |
| 03:45.22 | Quintin | Wyzard: more free ram is about it |
| 03:45.27 | en1gma | dont they conflict |
| 03:45.42 | Cripps | en1gma, only if certain ones are loaded at the same time ... |
| 03:45.56 | en1gma | if they are all yes they are all loaded |
| 03:46.01 | en1gma | i think* |
| 03:46.03 | geo-rge | very very difficult to help this one,,, he doesn't pay attention |
| 03:46.13 | en1gma | im listening to all |
| 03:46.23 | geo-rge | mmhmm |
| 03:46.37 | Cripps | en1gma, no, if I run "make allyesconfig" then I build every single option available in the kernel. All the code that *can* compile, *will* |
| 03:46.45 | en1gma | geo-rge the thing is you just dont understand i already thought what you thought about and picked what i wanted |
| 03:47.04 | en1gma | you just haent caught up yet by saying there is anotehr way to do it when i already thought about that way |
| 03:47.06 | geo-rge | you could simply say that :) |
| 03:47.11 | RainbowW | okay no help on my bootup problem. gah. |
| 03:47.13 | *** join/#debian dotz (n=cvzcxvas@bb116-15-25-127.singnet.com.sg) |
| 03:47.15 | Dougztr | I wonder what the largest size linux kernel would be |
| 03:47.22 | en1gma | i need to install from floppy and it would be great for my windows box to be a repo that is rsynced |
| 03:47.34 | Cripps | woah. en1gma , you might want to include more punctuation in your speech ... punctuation makes things easier to read. |
| 03:47.45 | en1gma | i have never been good on my grammar |
| 03:47.48 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:47.49 | en1gma | sorry |
| 03:47.51 | geo-rge | windows box being a mirror is a bit far fetched :) |
| 03:47.55 | Wyzard | en1gma: You need to install from floppy but you *don't need to build your own kernel to do that* |
| 03:47.57 | Cripps | no time like the present to start. |
| 03:48.07 | geo-rge | both my grammars are daed... |
| 03:48.07 | Wyzard | en1gma: The Debian install floppies already contain a kernel |
| 03:48.10 | dotz | hi i got a problem with apt-get.. now every time i install a package.. it will prompt me Starting NFS common utilities: statdinvoke-rc.d: initscript nfs-common, action "restart" failed. dpkg: error processing nfs-common (--configure): |
| 03:48.11 | dotz | etc |
| 03:48.11 | en1gma | geo-rge the reason i want the windows box to be a mirror i really do reinstall alot |
| 03:48.11 | Dewi | how can I make aptitude show me which version of a package is installed? |
| 03:48.14 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@166.128.187.201) |
| 03:48.17 | RainbowW | null only if you installed them incorrectly. |
| 03:48.20 | Dewi | aptitude seems to show more than one thing is installed |
| 03:48.23 | Dewi | when I run: sudo aptitude show -v '~i php5-common' |
| 03:48.27 | Dewi | it returns three packages |
| 03:48.30 | Dewi | of different versions |
| 03:48.31 | dotz | why does it prompt me this error when i'm installing other packages? |
| 03:48.40 | *** join/#debian neur1 (n=neuro@udp094183uds.hawaiiantel.net) |
| 03:48.41 | null | RainbowW: nope, it is about errno error |
| 03:48.41 | en1gma | with slackware i used to keep a single hd in the linux install system and i could just mount that and install from there |
| 03:48.46 | en1gma | could install in like 10mins |
| 03:48.59 | Wyzard | en1gma: Why do you plan on reinstalling your router a lot? |
| 03:49.06 | en1gma | cause i break things |
| 03:49.07 | RainbowW | null errno patch ... |
| 03:49.08 | null | RainbowW: symbol errno, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 03:49.16 | null | yes, #include <errno.h> |
| 03:49.21 | en1gma | cause its not windows |
| 03:49.25 | geo-rge | why? a rounder should be set and forget |
| 03:49.35 | en1gma | well it not just going to be a router |
| 03:49.39 | geo-rge | "cause it' |
| 03:49.40 | RainbowW | lifewithqmail, lifewithdjbdns ... |
| 03:49.40 | en1gma | i use putty and ssh on it |
| 03:49.43 | Wyzard | en1gma: How about just installing it, configuring it once, and then not breaking things by trying to tweak everything? |
| 03:50.05 | *** part/#debian neur1 (n=neuro@udp094183uds.hawaiiantel.net) |
| 03:50.05 | geo-rge | "cause it's not windows" is a reason for it to stay on 24/7 for years |
| 03:50.12 | null | RainbowW: yes yes, the patch is only to put #include <errno.h> nothing else and delete int errno; :) |
| 03:50.20 | geo-rge | never be reinstalled or upgraded, just runs |
| 03:50.30 | *** join/#debian Aliosa27 (n=Aliosa27@c-24-10-178-92.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 03:50.31 | en1gma | wait till you here this Q...i want to run remote desktop on it from my windows box (cygwinX) maybe but do i have to have all that garbage installed on the linux box to do it? |
| 03:50.41 | Dewi | geo-rge: no network-connected computer systems are like that |
| 03:51.09 | Wyzard | en1gma: "all that garbage"? |
| 03:51.11 | en1gma | X |
| 03:51.18 | en1gma | and kde or gnome |
| 03:51.23 | geo-rge | Dewi: "none" is a strong word,,, and very easy to disprove... I only need one example |
| 03:51.27 | dotz | can someone help me fix the apt-get ? |
| 03:51.28 | Wyzard | en1gma: You don't need X on the router, or even a monitor |
| 03:51.42 | Dewi | geo-rge: you can't even disprove it that way because the security problem could come tomorrow |
| 03:51.49 | Wyzard | en1gma: but if you want to run GUI apps on the router and have them remote display on your windows box, of course you have to install the GUI apps |
| 03:51.51 | *** join/#debian muhoo (n=muhoo@adsl-69-107-78-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 03:51.53 | Dewi | geo-rge: and you need to be prepared |
| 03:51.54 | en1gma | and i can use remote desktop not sure what correct word if for linux remoter desktop |
| 03:51.56 | RainbowW | null so your question is ... ? i run both qmail and djbdns without any problems using lwq/lwd standard installs |
| 03:51.58 | muhoo | auuugh auugh auugh |
| 03:51.58 | muhoo | Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/Release.gpg Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 35.9.37.225 80] |
| 03:52.01 | muhoo | still |
| 03:52.18 | Dewi | muhoo: try another mirror or ftp or a proxy |
| 03:52.20 | en1gma | i dont have X on the router or a monitor |
| 03:52.24 | Wyzard | en1gma: You can install GUI apps without installing X, for exactly that reason -- they can be used over the network so a local X server isn't required |
| 03:52.29 | muhoo | Dewi: where do i find a mirror list? |
| 03:52.34 | en1gma | i use putty and ssh and grab monitor during installs |
| 03:52.47 | muhoo | AH, got it |
| 03:52.48 | en1gma | Wyzard sweet! |
| 03:52.51 | muhoo | http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:52.54 | en1gma | got to put that on my list |
| 03:52.54 | Dewi | muhoo: mirror.debian.org |
| 03:53.00 | geo-rge | Dewi: well there is that. but this guy's point of attention flits around like a hummingbird on acid and crack... it's kinda hard to know where he's going to go next :) |
| 03:53.11 | Dewi | geo-rge: hehe |
| 03:53.16 | *** join/#debian Caine (n=caine@c-67-174-185-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 03:53.16 | Wyzard | en1gma: I did the same... connected a monitor to my router when I installed the OS on it, and used SSH for everything afterward |
| 03:53.20 | *** join/#debian topo (i=topo@200.117.95.93) |
| 03:53.33 | en1gma | Wyzard try that with windows :) |
| 03:53.40 | Wyzard | en1gma: and it's been running smoothly for about half a year, rebooting only when a kernel update is released |
| 03:53.43 | Dewi | none of my linux machines have monitors |
| 03:53.49 | Dewi | or ever have had |
| 03:53.57 | Wyzard | en1gma: no pointless tweaking everything, no compiling custom 1.44MB kernels, no frequent reinstalling |
| 03:54.01 | en1gma | Wyzard you got the setup im wanting to achieve |
| 03:54.02 | Wyzard | en1gma: Just set it up and let it do its job |
| 03:54.25 | en1gma | oh see i install windows every month...been doing that since i ever had a computer |
| 03:54.28 | Dewi | en1gma: debian is in this state immediately after running the installer and pressing enter a bunch of times |
| 03:54.28 | geo-rge | en1gma: (you don't want to do that) but if you want to do that, you can install cygwin and a cygwin x server on the windows box, and x clients on the router box |
| 03:54.31 | Dewi | :P |
| 03:54.34 | en1gma | love a clean and fast computer |
| 03:54.38 | muhoo | excellent. works now. thanks |
| 03:54.42 | *** part/#debian muhoo (n=muhoo@adsl-69-107-78-70.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 03:54.54 | Supaplex | !info debian-archive-keyring etch |
| 03:54.58 | Wyzard | en1gma: Apparently Windows has conditioned you to think that all computers must be reinstalled once a month in order to continue working properly |
| 03:54.59 | en1gma | geo-rge i do i do :) |
| 03:55.07 | geo-rge | it's easy |
| 03:55.15 | Dewi | geo-rge: there is also an open source non-cygwin xserver called xming |
| 03:55.18 | Wyzard | en1gma: My previous router box ran for several years without being reinstalled |
| 03:55.20 | geo-rge | x window system was designed for that |
| 03:55.23 | Supaplex | I call that the windows halflife of install period. |
| 03:55.26 | en1gma | Wyzard when you can get your installs down to 10mins there is no reason not too |
| 03:55.30 | dpkg | debian-archive-keyring: (GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive), section misc, is important. Version: 2007.07.31~etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 03:55.47 | Dewi | en1gma: I can think of a good reason. Us not having to listen to you go on about it |
| 03:55.55 | Wyzard | en1gma: Yes there is: it's a pointless waste of time to reinstall something that's not broken |
| 03:55.56 | en1gma | im sure when i get it just right ill prob slow down on the reinstalls |
| 03:55.57 | Supaplex | what's with the debian-archive-keyring update? it's not authenticated to the 2007.02.19 release? |
| 03:56.01 | geo-rge | Supaplex: the time between mouse samples? |
| 03:56.07 | en1gma | its not pointless if its fun |
| 03:56.11 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:56.16 | Rusty1 | Dewi: apt-cache policy <packagename> , not aptitude but ..I kinda think you know |
| 03:56.17 | Dewi | en1gma: do whatever you want |
| 03:56.25 | geo-rge | yes, exactly |
| 03:56.27 | en1gma | im trying to get the smallest install possible |
| 03:56.31 | Dewi | Rusty1: right, but I want to find all non-official packages on my system |
| 03:56.32 | geo-rge | do what you want, run what you want |
| 03:56.36 | en1gma | trying to get the smallest kernel possible |
| 03:56.37 | Dewi | Rusty1: that won't do me a search |
| 03:56.48 | geo-rge | the smallest install possible is the base |
| 03:56.50 | en1gma | and run it all from the windows box (without webmin)( |
| 03:56.54 | Dewi | Rusty1: the commands in the aptitude manual for doing this don't work at all |
| 03:56.59 | en1gma | base is not the smallest |
| 03:57.03 | Dewi | Rusty1: they return official debian stuff, and miss most of the unofficial stuff |
| 03:57.05 | en1gma | thats what ppl thing |
| 03:57.07 | Wyzard | en1gma: It's fun to interrupt your Internet connection, erase your settings, and have to reconfigure everything from scratch, just to put it back the way it already was anyway? |
| 03:57.08 | ArtVandalae | en1gma: is it for an embeddable system or for your PC? |
| 03:57.11 | *** join/#debian trebor_home (n=user@dslb-084-058-213-021.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 03:57.17 | trebor_home | hi. if i try to connect to my AP via hwpa_supplicant -d -Dwext -iath0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, i get this output: ttp://paste.lisp.org/display/47708. what am i doing wrong? |
| 03:57.20 | en1gma | Wyzard i save my config files |
| 03:57.21 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:57.26 | *** join/#debian mosno (n=bmc@c220-237-32-186.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 03:57.27 | en1gma | at least for networking |
| 03:57.53 | geo-rge | the base is the minimum necessary to repair basic problems, edit config files and install packages |
| 03:58.10 | en1gma | no base that = 350megs is correct. |
| 03:58.14 | Wyzard | en1gma: OK, so you back up files, wipe your hard drive, and reinstall everything just the way it was before... and this helps you how? |
| 03:58.17 | en1gma | i delete the docs and free up 50megs |
| 03:58.20 | en1gma | from BASE |
| 03:58.28 | geo-rge | if you try deleting things you're asking for trouble :) |
| 03:58.36 | Rusty1 | Dewi: does dpkg -l pkgname* only show official stuff as well ? |
| 03:58.39 | en1gma | docs is pretty safe |
| 03:58.44 | geo-rge | tr |
| 03:58.46 | geo-rge | true |
| 03:58.48 | Dewi | Rusty1: why would it? |
| 03:58.54 | en1gma | but if i new more i would be deleting more |
| 03:58.57 | en1gma | :) |
| 03:59.05 | geo-rge | you can always read the docs on a different box |
| 03:59.11 | geo-rge | hey |
| 03:59.12 | en1gma | i should be able to get my install down to 200megs |
| 03:59.13 | Dewi | Rusty1: I'm not asking to include unofficial stuff, I want to identify unofficial stuff |
| 03:59.14 | *** join/#debian streuner (n=streuner@p54A5D33E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:59.18 | geo-rge | that rhymed |
| 03:59.20 | en1gma | online docs |
| 03:59.25 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 03:59.31 | en1gma | from my windows machine is so much prettier then in console |
| 03:59.31 | Dewi | Rusty1: I can't even find a single command line tool to show me the 'origin' of a package |
| 03:59.38 | Dewi | Rusty1: maybe it's not even stored after installation |
| 03:59.57 | Wyzard | en1gma: You know, you mentioned earlier that you have to reinstall frequently because you break things... and now you're talking about all these little tweaks you want to do, which are probably the reason why things break and make you reinstall |
| 04:00.13 | en1gma | i know..isnt it great :) |
| 04:00.18 | en1gma | i learning linux |
| 04:00.25 | en1gma | the hardway |
| 04:00.40 | en1gma | but i think you learn more that wayt |
| 04:00.54 | en1gma | at least thats how my mind works |
| 04:00.58 | Wyzard | en1gma: I know you're used to Windows where you have to clean up a bunch of garbage as soon as you finish installation, and it randomly gets full of crud and stops working over time |
| 04:00.59 | geo-rge | you might want to learn, oh, the shell :) |
| 04:01.16 | en1gma | Wyzard go on |
| 04:01.17 | Wyzard | en1gma: but try to wrap your mind around this concept: You can install Debian and LEAVE IT ALONE and it will continue to work properly |
| 04:01.24 | hark | the wrongway ;) |
| 04:01.26 | *** join/#debian EliasAmaral (n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral) |
| 04:01.34 | Supaplex | I've had the same install of linux ... for years. |
| 04:01.42 | en1gma | Wyzard not for me cause i cant leave it alone cause its not working right |
| 04:01.45 | Supaplex | just upgrades along the way as normal. works fine. :) |
| 04:01.50 | Wyzard | en1gma: You don't need to try to "fix" all these little things that you think the installer did "wrong"... no need to delete docs, make a custom tiny kernel, etc. |
| 04:01.54 | cast | i ran a rw fsck on / and that killed my install :| |
| 04:01.54 | niru | hello Supp |
| 04:01.58 | niru | hello Supaplex |
| 04:02.00 | Wyzard | en1gma: Like I said earlier, just install it and let it do its job |
| 04:02.07 | en1gma | Wyzard i cant yet... |
| 04:02.13 | geo-rge | cxant? |
| 04:02.14 | en1gma | the machine isnt working right |
| 04:02.24 | geo-rge | then look at it from the left |
| 04:02.28 | en1gma | haha |
| 04:02.33 | en1gma | ill have to try that |
| 04:02.54 | Wyzard | en1gma: What's not working on it currently? |
| 04:02.59 | geo-rge | seriously... it's really good you're playing like this. REALLY good. |
| 04:03.13 | geo-rge | you are absolutely correct, you will learn this way |
| 04:03.17 | en1gma | i have a debian 4.0r0 dvd would it be good to copy all files to the ftp dir then rsync sid |
| 04:03.24 | en1gma | like would it be worth the time |
| 04:03.32 | en1gma | just rsyncing dvd1 |
| 04:03.39 | cast | its a bit quicker to read rather than learn things via trial and error, since there are about a million ways to go wrong and only a 100 to go right :\ |
| 04:03.42 | geo-rge | sid is probably not what you want on that router |
| 04:04.07 | en1gma | i have to run sid until they get wireless bridging working |
| 04:04.19 | en1gma | right now only one chipset kind of works i think prism2 |
| 04:04.37 | streuner | look for a router distro then |
| 04:04.49 | Rusty1 | Dewi: FWIW http://people.debian.org/~dburrows/aptitude-doc/en/ch02s03.html , but sounds like you been there |
| 04:04.50 | en1gma | all router distros are for 2 nics going to a switch |
| 04:04.50 | Wyzard | en1gma: If wireless bridging doesn't work, it's probably an issue with the driver, or the hardware itself -- many wireless cards just can't transmit frames with a MAC address other than their own |
| 04:04.52 | streuner | they are optimized specially for that |
| 04:04.53 | en1gma | tried that already |
| 04:04.55 | geo-rge | which debian is already: |
| 04:05.03 | trebor_home | does someone know about wlan & debian? |
| 04:05.06 | Wyzard | en1gma: I use a Linksys WRT54GL as my wireless AP |
| 04:05.13 | Wyzard | en1gma: running OpenWRT |
| 04:05.13 | Dewi | Rusty1: yep, that will only find unofficial packages for which no debian versions exist |
| 04:05.17 | geo-rge | install the base, configure the external interface, configure internal ones, |
| 04:05.21 | geo-rge | install ipmasq |
| 04:05.21 | geo-rge | done |
| 04:05.33 | Dewi | Rusty1: but it also finds things like... the official kernel I am running. Dunno why. |
| 04:05.38 | en1gma | yep and this will smoke any router you by at a store cause it is a true linux box that is not limited by 32meg ram |
| 04:05.45 | en1gma | checked the wireless router thing |
| 04:05.53 | en1gma | i do have a wcg200 i wanted to mod |
| 04:06.14 | trebor_home | if i do wpa_supplicant -d -Dwext -iath0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf i get this output (but no connection): http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708. what am i doing wrong? |
| 04:06.31 | dotz | help!!! why everytime i run apt-get install xxx , it will complain about nfs-common restart failed etc |
| 04:06.36 | en1gma | geo-rge thats pretty much where my box is at right noiw |
| 04:06.47 | en1gma | but its got way to much info on the hd |
| 04:06.54 | trebor_home | (this is debian 4.0 r0, madwifi from sources) |
| 04:06.59 | Wyzard | en1gma: Well, the WRT54GL only has 16MB RAM, but that's fine, because all it does is act as an AP, and the 16MB is enough for that |
| 04:07.09 | streuner | dotz: tell us the whole error in paster bot, please. (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 04:07.34 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/696896 |
| 04:07.38 | en1gma | over 650megs |
| 04:07.40 | dotz | ok |
| 04:07.46 | trebor_home | wlan under debian anyone? |
| 04:07.58 | *** join/#debian mypapit (n=mypapit@pdpc/supporter/active/mypapit) |
| 04:08.13 | geo-rge | I want one...eventually... |
| 04:08.20 | en1gma | Wyzard the other 2 linksys nics i bought to match the 2 i already have was over $50 and thats about the price of your router (and not an openwrt) one |
| 04:08.28 | en1gma | it was a tough decision |
| 04:08.47 | en1gma | to make my router like a wrt54g it will cost me 2x the money |
| 04:08.53 | en1gma | at least |
| 04:08.53 | dotz | http://paste.debian.net/37059 |
| 04:09.01 | Wyzard | en1gma: There are two benefits to using a separate device as a wireless AP: first, you don't have to deal with wireless drivers that can't do bridging, and second, you can put the AP somewhere that the signal is strong in all rooms of the house, regardless of where the router is |
| 04:09.05 | dotz | i only apt-get install rsync |
| 04:09.06 | trebor_home | what informations do i have to provide in order to get answers? |
| 04:09.10 | dotz | and it complains nfs |
| 04:09.10 | Rusty1 | Dewi: how bout deborphan -d , any good? |
| 04:09.13 | Wyzard | en1gma: You paid $50 for two NICs? |
| 04:09.18 | liable | trebor_home: can you try another version of madwifi? |
| 04:09.39 | GullyFoyle | I have dd-wrt on my Linksys wrt54gl and it rocks |
| 04:09.41 | en1gma | linksys lne100tx at target $19.99 each but with tax close to $50 |
| 04:09.43 | Wyzard | en1gma: All you need in a home router are 100mbit RTL-8139 cards, which are less than $5 each |
| 04:09.45 | en1gma | linksys nics are expensive |
| 04:09.46 | trebor_home | liable: this is the recent version for my kernel (#madwifi) |
| 04:09.52 | Dewi | Rusty1: hmm, haven't seen that one. I'm currently playing with apt-show-versions, this might have enough info |
| 04:10.05 | trebor_home | liable: it seems to see my ap, but the authentification fails. |
| 04:10.13 | en1gma | yea but i already had 2 and wanted to match em to save on kernel space...now all i have is the tulip and forcedeth |
| 04:10.14 | en1gma | :) |
| 04:10.20 | Wyzard | en1gma: Look at the main chip on those cards... is there a little picture of a crab and "RTL-8139"? |
| 04:10.25 | trebor_home | liable: the scan seems to be successful, isn't it? |
| 04:10.30 | DawnLight | does anyone know if the regexp "<span .*>" should stop after the first ">" like i think it should? because kde's find/replace doesn't think so |
| 04:10.31 | liable | trebor_home: yeah, thats why i would like you to try another release. |
| 04:10.32 | hark | heh |
| 04:10.37 | streuner | dotz: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:10.38 | en1gma | will lspci show it |
| 04:10.58 | Wyzard | en1gma: and now we're back to your trying to optimize your kernel to use less space when you're not actually short on space |
| 04:11.05 | *** join/#debian qcai (n=qcai@210.72.205.76) |
| 04:11.11 | trebor_home | liable: which one? the last one does not compile with my kernel (2.6.18-686)? |
| 04:11.19 | dotz | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 04:11.20 | Wyzard | en1gma: Yes, lspci would mention "Realtek Semiconductor Co." and a number |
| 04:11.28 | en1gma | http://pastebin.ca/696906 |
| 04:11.29 | liable | trebor_home: have you tried the one in debian repos? |
| 04:11.43 | *** join/#debian rmayorga (n=rmayorga@unaffiliated/rmayorga) |
| 04:11.49 | streuner | dotz: ok, do exactly what the error message suggested (configure nfs-common first) |
| 04:12.10 | dotz | do what? |
| 04:12.12 | trebor_home | liable: the one i get with apt-get? yes, but that one is too old, it does not work with my hardware. |
| 04:12.14 | en1gma | im trying to figure out where the wireless nic is going to go |
| 04:12.32 | geo-rge | into the wireless nic slot |
| 04:12.33 | en1gma | pci1 but then i will have to add agp card if i ever reinstall |
| 04:12.45 | en1gma | right now tnt2 is in pci1 |
| 04:12.48 | streuner | dotz: exit status 1 means usually the file doesnt exist... |
| 04:12.56 | geo-rge | put tab a into slot b... then you have a barbie dress... |
| 04:12.58 | *** part/#debian cast (n=cast@fsf/member/cast) |
| 04:13.03 | en1gma | :) |
| 04:13.03 | trebor_home | liable: or what do you mean with debian-repos (i am debian-newbie)? |
| 04:13.08 | streuner | dotz: do you have nfs-kernel-server installed? |
| 04:13.14 | geo-rge | !start a barbie war |
| 04:13.14 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 04:13.14 | dotz | i think i did a apt-get install nfs-common nfs-kernel-server before a apt-get update just now |
| 04:13.17 | Wyzard | en1gma: btw, the tulip driver is 93k, and the 8139 driver is 49k |
| 04:13.20 | en1gma | none of my irqs are shared currently...that was a bitch too |
| 04:13.23 | *** join/#debian behrad (n=TolstoyI@91.98.70.81) |
| 04:13.23 | Wyzard | en1gma: You have 128MB of RAM |
| 04:13.27 | en1gma | had to disable all kinds of crap in bios |
| 04:13.29 | dotz | streuner: actually yes.. i tried to apt-get remove it and install it too |
| 04:13.31 | en1gma | 256* |
| 04:13.39 | Wyzard | en1gma: OK, 256 |
| 04:13.58 | en1gma | its a huge router box but it will be cool when its done |
| 04:14.00 | liable | trebor_home: the one from apt-get. if it doesnt work, dont worry. what errors does the newest give when you build it? |
| 04:14.01 | Wyzard | en1gma: What's the point in trying to use all one type of NIC to avoid loading another 100k driver? |
| 04:14.14 | en1gma | haha im picky and for functionality |
| 04:14.19 | *** join/#debian Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@c11-37.icpnet.pl) |
| 04:14.20 | Wyzard | en1gma: You could load a thousand NIC drivers and still have plenty of RAM left |
| 04:14.31 | en1gma | can i put those 4 nics in sli ? |
| 04:14.46 | en1gma | Wyzard i think i have ocs |
| 04:14.49 | en1gma | ocd |
| 04:14.50 | Wyzard | That doesn't even make sense |
| 04:14.55 | Wyzard | SLI is for video cards |
| 04:15.02 | en1gma | i know i was playing |
| 04:15.15 | en1gma | the side of my case is open and it imagine it |
| 04:15.17 | *** join/#debian blijblijblij (n=rogier@57-154.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net) |
| 04:15.21 | en1gma | im a nerd |
| 04:15.25 | trebor_home | liable: there are compiler errors. some headers are missing. some days ago, i asked at #madwifi and i was told, that this was due to kernel incompatibilities. |
| 04:15.48 | trebor_home | liable: someone directed me to his last checkout which was compatible with my kernel. |
| 04:16.08 | en1gma | most ppl get a see through side panel to show off their sli rigs...mine is going to be to show off my netowrking stuff |
| 04:16.18 | en1gma | HA! |
| 04:16.21 | *** join/#debian erekson_ (n=erekson@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) |
| 04:16.21 | *** join/#debian keith4 (n=kbe2@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) |
| 04:16.23 | hark | trebor_home: you installed the kernel headers right? |
| 04:16.36 | trebor_home | hark: yes. |
| 04:16.40 | en1gma | the only thing is i should have got all gigabit lan cards |
| 04:16.48 | *** join/#debian minerale (i=achille@about/cooking/alfredo/Minerale) |
| 04:16.49 | en1gma | they are the same price as the lne100tx |
| 04:16.57 | liable | trebor_home: ok, i suggest you file a bug then. does it work on an open network? |
| 04:17.03 | keith4 | i heard there is a crazy guy in here |
| 04:17.07 | en1gma | its me |
| 04:17.17 | Wyzard | en1gma: If those Linksys 100mbit cards are 8139s, you got ripped off |
| 04:17.18 | trebor_home | liable: there is no open network here (i assume). |
| 04:17.23 | en1gma | im armed with a mouse, keyboard and linux |
| 04:17.28 | Wyzard | en1gma: I have five of those in my spare-parts bin and I didn't spend more than $5 on any of them |
| 04:17.42 | liable | trebor_home: paste the output of an iwlist scan |
| 04:17.46 | hark | $50 ;) |
| 04:17.47 | keith4 | i'm thinking of selling 300 3com cards in a batch on ebay |
| 04:17.51 | streuner | keith4: what kind of problem do you have? |
| 04:17.57 | en1gma | Wyzard you want to hear something funny one of the 2 nics i took out to put the linksys nics in was 8139too |
| 04:18.01 | *** join/#debian jdeuce (n=qwerty@S01060014bfc80254.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 04:18.04 | en1gma | but that is not the tulip driver |
| 04:18.12 | trebor_home | liable: i will be back in 30 minutes. i have to wake up my children (school) or i get killed by my wife. |
| 04:18.14 | *** join/#debian saintiss (n=saintiss@143.129.75.191) |
| 04:18.25 | Wyzard | en1gma: gigabit is pointless on a router since your Internet connection is nowhere near even 100mbit |
| 04:18.31 | liable | heh, ok. |
| 04:18.35 | hark | liable: tried the new driver? |
| 04:18.37 | en1gma | lan installs baby |
| 04:18.38 | keith4 | streuner: no problem... just came to watch the show |
| 04:18.42 | liable | hark: ath5k? |
| 04:18.46 | Wyzard | en1gma: It could be worthwhile if you're also using the router as a file server, and want to be able to upload and download files quickly to it |
| 04:18.51 | en1gma | but then my 2, 3, 4 and 13giger cant keep up anyway |
| 04:18.53 | hark | liable: ati :) |
| 04:19.03 | streuner | ok, watch the show and be idle or just ask a debian related question |
| 04:19.10 | en1gma | Wyzard router connected to windows repo box :) |
| 04:19.18 | liable | hark: fucker doesnt wok for me, apparently firegl's arent supported by this release |
| 04:19.27 | Wyzard | en1gma: There's nothing wrong with loading both the 8139too and tulip drivers... buying all the same kind of NIC to avoid loading a 50k driver is pointless |
| 04:19.31 | hark | wtf |
| 04:19.46 | en1gma | Wyzard ok again i really really do think i have ocd |
| 04:20.01 | *** join/#debian caesus (n=digital@host126-85-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 04:20.05 | en1gma | i format way more then the avg user and i dont even have illegal pr0n |
| 04:20.10 | caesus | hi |
| 04:20.12 | hark | en1gma: really? |
| 04:20.17 | en1gma | for reak |
| 04:20.20 | en1gma | real* |
| 04:20.25 | geo-rge | en1gma: you probably only have cd |
| 04:20.26 | liable | hark: go read the flamefest over at phoronix |
| 04:20.37 | en1gma | none of my cdrom-dvdorms work |
| 04:20.37 | caesus | how setup packet .deb? |
| 04:20.39 | hark | hehe |
| 04:20.52 | en1gma | i have a 1 gig usb stick but that always uses acronis true image |
| 04:21.00 | geo-rge | caesus: http://www.debian.org/devel |
| 04:21.05 | Wyzard | en1gma: Build a desktop box to experiment with Linux |
| 04:21.12 | streuner | caesus: dpkg-reconfigure <package> configure every package if debconf exist for that package |
| 04:21.16 | Wyzard | en1gma: Install the router once and just leave it alone |
| 04:21.22 | geo-rge | tells ya ALL about it |
| 04:21.24 | en1gma | Wyzard well hell i might as well install vista with its 10gig install |
| 04:21.30 | *** part/#debian Caine (n=caine@c-67-174-185-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 04:21.30 | en1gma | linux is like that too |
| 04:21.42 | caesus | tks |
| 04:22.35 | en1gma | well basically the router is still in dev eventhough its runnning....im using a combo of putty and webmin (i know its a bad word here) but im trying to use something else like guix from my windows box |
| 04:22.53 | *** join/#debian SlackDeb (n=fperetti@201.254.124.100) |
| 04:23.13 | jdeuce | hey all, i seem to be having some trouble with networking in debian, anyone wanna try to give me a hand? |
| 04:23.17 | en1gma | so i would say i at least got 10 more re-installs to do and that dont even include trying to get my floppy installs working |
| 04:24.03 | Wyzard | en1gma: Why do you need to reinstall ten times to configure a router? |
| 04:24.07 | en1gma | so between the floppy trial and errors and the windows box being a mirror and my kernel not even close to being right and then experimenting with my install to get it working so i can run X on my windows box |
| 04:24.17 | en1gma | i would really guess at least 30 more re-installs |
| 04:24.47 | en1gma | know what i mean |
| 04:25.08 | Wyzard | en1gma: The only reason you're trying to set up your Windows box as a mirror is so you can reinstall a lot... you don't need to reinstall a bunch of times to try to get that working |
| 04:25.10 | streuner | jdeuce: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 04:25.17 | Wyzard | en1gma: Forget the Windows mirror, and just install once from the Internet |
| 04:25.27 | *** join/#debian moyix (n=moyix@c-66-30-9-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 04:25.39 | *** join/#debian Cataphract (n=Deimos@89.152.216.10) |
| 04:25.40 | Wyzard | en1gma: Then install ipmasq to take care of the routing and DHCP |
| 04:25.46 | en1gma | Wyzard i get my kernels so perfect where nothing extra is needed its gonna take some time |
| 04:25.50 | streuner | !tell jdeuce about ask |
| 04:25.59 | en1gma | when i do make-pkg it installs over my last kernel |
| 04:26.01 | en1gma | lol |
| 04:26.05 | en1gma | if it breaks im screwed |
| 04:26.17 | keith4 | that's not a good idea |
| 04:26.21 | Wyzard | en1gma: Install the stock kernel and leave it installed |
| 04:26.29 | en1gma | where is the fun in that |
| 04:26.35 | Wyzard | en1gma: That way, if your custom kernel doesn't work, you can boot the stock one |
| 04:26.36 | en1gma | thats like windows thinking |
| 04:26.41 | en1gma | oh i know |
| 04:27.00 | jdeuce | alright, i can't seem to get my freshly installed debian box to lease anything but a 169 from my network. It was able to lease an ip fine during the install but now that im in hdd install it wont lease |
| 04:27.06 | en1gma | but for some reason after i dist-upgrade to sid the make-pkg dont work right and it installs over my running kernel |
| 04:27.12 | Wyzard | en1gma: Reinstalling your entire system in order to build a new custom kernel is like cutting off your arm and going to the hospital to have it reattached, because you broke a fingernail |
| 04:27.39 | en1gma | ha i know but something is borked and if i build kernels like i did in slackware its not supported here |
| 04:27.47 | en1gma | so i use make-pkg and let it do its thing |
| 04:27.50 | geo-rge | en1gma: the whole purpose behind sid is people run it to see if they can fix it... NEVER to do real work |
| 04:27.52 | liable | neither is sid |
| 04:27.52 | streuner | jdeuce: so DHCP? |
| 04:27.56 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 04:27.56 | *** join/#debian slapfaceware (n=face@58.251.80.152) |
| 04:28.04 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@CPE0000c09c75da-CM0018c0c4cacc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:28.12 | en1gma | geo-rge sid usually works more often then not |
| 04:28.22 | en1gma | its bitten my a couple times when apt-get breaks |
| 04:28.26 | geo-rge | stable works. |
| 04:28.27 | *** join/#debian Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@c11-37.icpnet.pl) |
| 04:28.33 | streuner | jdeuce: just configue interfaces and run "ifdown -a ; ifup -a" |
| 04:28.45 | jdeuce | right but i also configured it with a static ip and it wont communicate over the network with that either |
| 04:28.46 | en1gma | stable = 2.6.18 i was so using that so long ago |
| 04:29.02 | jdeuce | i ran ifdown/ifup and it just tries to dhcpdiscover a bunch of times but nothing happens |
| 04:29.03 | geo-rge | and for something like a router box, why use anything else? |
| 04:29.08 | *** join/#debian cmwt (n=bit_frog@adsl-76-200-102-66.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 04:29.13 | geo-rge | there's no benefit |
| 04:29.16 | jdeuce | i tried installing a different nic and also a different network cable but it does the same thing |
| 04:29.18 | Wyzard | en1gma: stable = well-tested and known-to-be-reliable 2.6.18 with security fixes backported by the security team |
| 04:29.20 | jdeuce | both nics work fine in the install disc |
| 04:29.22 | streuner | jdeuce: no remote server, just a normal desktop PC at home? |
| 04:29.27 | en1gma | the ppl learning to hacking always hack the oldest stuff not the newest |
| 04:29.35 | en1gma | i want to stay one step ahead |
| 04:29.53 | geo-rge | you don't have to |
| 04:29.54 | jdeuce | streuner: yeah |
| 04:30.04 | geo-rge | you can allow the security team to do that for you |
| 04:30.15 | Wyzard | en1gma: and that's why the Debian security team provides updated versions of the stable kernel anytime a vulnerability is found |
| 04:30.19 | caesus | command for setup packet .deb? |
| 04:30.22 | en1gma | im ahead of the security team by running sid |
| 04:30.27 | hark | liable: "specifically for the R600 series" .. well, at least we got the specs |
| 04:30.37 | en1gma | ppl have to learn how to hack it and by the time they do its already fixed |
| 04:31.12 | Wyzard | en1gma: No, you're behind the security team by running sid, because the security team releases fixes for stable's kernel *immediately* |
| 04:31.18 | en1gma | plus by reinstalling all the time no one is going to try and spend anytime hacking my machine |
| 04:31.22 | Wyzard | en1gma: sid only gets them later |
| 04:31.24 | streuner | jdeuce: show us the error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste), please. Plus "cat /proc/verson" "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 04:31.29 | en1gma | they will loose all their precious time when i reinstall |
| 04:31.48 | en1gma | sid gets updated so fast it dont need fixed later |
| 04:32.05 | jdeuce | streuner: alright, gonna take me a second though since i have no network on that box |
| 04:32.06 | en1gma | everyday i get 20updates |
| 04:32.17 | en1gma | thats with a bare minimum install |
| 04:32.23 | en1gma | with a full install prob 100 |
| 04:32.32 | geo-rge | fpr some definition of "updated" :) |
| 04:32.35 | *** join/#debian _uplinkd_ (n=nikk@CPE-65-30-143-5.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 04:33.08 | Supaplex | ksensors isn't finding my cpu temp. dmesg shows CPU0: Thermal monitoring enabled |
| 04:33.08 | streuner | jdeuce: cat /proc/version |
| 04:33.08 | Wyzard | en1gma: and how many of those updates are the kernel? |
| 04:33.08 | en1gma | :) not very many...hmmm |
| 04:33.14 | en1gma | now you got me thinking |
| 04:33.25 | geo-rge | -finally- |
| 04:33.27 | streuner | Supaplex: you have prolly lm-sensors installed and configured, right? |
| 04:33.30 | en1gma | TADA |
| 04:33.32 | geo-rge | GEEZ |
| 04:33.52 | en1gma | the longer a kernel sits (like in stable) the more vulnerable it gets |
| 04:34.00 | keith4 | no |
| 04:34.05 | hark | ... |
| 04:34.09 | Supaplex | I'll check. it was working on my old box, and I checked a lot of modules. I'm not really sure on some of them though. |
| 04:34.10 | keith4 | that's what security updates are for |
| 04:34.15 | Wyzard | en1gma: Again, that's why the security team releases updates *immediately* when a vulnerability is found |
| 04:34.16 | geo-rge | it |
| 04:34.20 | *** join/#debian Nazerene (n=sdf@pool-72-95-236-93.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:34.24 | Nazerene | USE OF ANY LANGUAGE AND ANY PERSONA WILL DERIDE YOUR MODEL TO LIVE AS IF YOU WILL DIE |
| 04:34.28 | geo-rge | is NOT just the kernel you have to worry about |
| 04:34.30 | *** join/#debian ktne (n=ktne@unaffiliated/ktne) |
| 04:34.32 | ktne | hello |
| 04:34.39 | *** join/#debian Nazerene (n=sdf@pool-72-95-236-93.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:34.40 | en1gma | i dont think i have ever seen a security update on my system ever |
| 04:34.47 | en1gma | i always update to sid |
| 04:34.48 | ktne | can someone please tell me a small image viewer for x that is in stable? |
| 04:35.05 | en1gma | or -current with other distros |
| 04:35.05 | streuner | en1gma: are you using unstable? |
| 04:35.10 | Wyzard | en1gma: That's because sid doesn't get security updates |
| 04:35.10 | krazykit | ktne, feh |
| 04:35.11 | *** join/#debian Nazerene (n=sdf@pool-72-95-236-93.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:35.14 | gravity | ktne: display (part of imagemagick) |
| 04:35.17 | streuner | ktne: gqview |
| 04:35.22 | Wyzard | en1gma: only stable does -- stable gets security fixes *before* unstable does |
| 04:35.28 | ktne | ok thanks |
| 04:35.29 | geo-rge | !ops Nazerene needs a ban and maybe a kline... looks like multichannel spam |
| 04:35.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: geo-rge complains about: Nazerene needs a ban and maybe a kline... looks like multichannel spam |
| 04:35.32 | *** join/#debian Nazerene (n=sdf@pool-72-95-236-93.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:35.36 | streuner | he is gone |
| 04:35.40 | en1gma | i dont even remember if unstable is newer then testing...i just know sid is the freshest |
| 04:35.42 | streuner | rather s(he) |
| 04:35.46 | geo-rge | spoke too soon :P |
| 04:35.54 | Supaplex | streuner: ii lm-sensors 2.10.1-3 utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan se |
| 04:36.11 | Wyzard | en1gma: yes, sid is where new packages go to have bugs found, so that the bugs can be fixed prior to a stable release |
| 04:36.30 | streuner | Supaplex: and you did run "sensors-detect"? |
| 04:36.33 | en1gma | yea but sid is updated alot |
| 04:36.38 | Wyzard | en1gma: stable is packages that have been tested extensively (in sid and testing) and found to not have any major bugs, and which are updated immediately when security bugs are found |
| 04:36.43 | ktne | hmm |
| 04:36.47 | ktne | my mirror seems to be down |
| 04:36.50 | geo-rge | the point of running sid is to find these bugs and fix them |
| 04:36.53 | ktne | how can i apt-get from other mirror? |
| 04:36.55 | en1gma | Wyzard omg |
| 04:36.59 | Supaplex | Fetched 183MB in 3085d 23h29m54s (1B/s) |
| 04:37.02 | *** join/#debian Nazerene (n=sdf@pool-72-95-236-93.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:37.05 | Wyzard | en1gma: sid is updated a lot, but those updates can be broken |
| 04:37.06 | streuner | ktne: change the mirror in sources.list |
| 04:37.07 | en1gma | so when a bug is found they knock it back to sid? |
| 04:37.12 | jdeuce | streuner: http://pastebin.ca/696942 |
| 04:37.12 | Supaplex | haha. |
| 04:37.16 | liable | hark: yeah, heres hoping the xorg guys can come up with the goods. |
| 04:37.18 | streuner | ktne: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:37.18 | Wyzard | en1gma: For example, I'm unable to use gnucash right now, because it's broken in sid |
| 04:37.20 | *** join/#debian Nazerene (n=sdf@pool-72-95-236-93.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:37.42 | en1gma | yea but tomorrow it will be fixed |
| 04:37.57 | geo-rge | Nazerene: YUE NO HOW RUN THE QUACK? |
| 04:38.14 | geo-rge | who has b1ff logs? |
| 04:38.33 | Wyzard | en1gma: Nope, it's been broken for several days -- the fix is still being worked on |
| 04:38.35 | ktne | i can't get any source to work |
| 04:38.46 | ktne | souldn't ft.country.debian.org work? |
| 04:38.49 | *** join/#debian Sipingal (n=Sipingal@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com) |
| 04:38.59 | en1gma | Wyzard you will be first to get the fix...how long will testing have to wait |
| 04:38.59 | ktne | ftp, |
| 04:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 784] by debhelper |
| 04:39.13 | geo-rge | ktne: there's a mirror list |
| 04:39.20 | Wyzard | en1gma: testing won't have to wait at all, because this broken version will never go into testing |
| 04:39.23 | streuner | ktne: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 04:39.41 | *** join/#debian Nazerene (n=sdf@pool-72-95-236-93.pitbpa.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:39.54 | en1gma | ok let me ask this...if i were to switch my habbits to testing can i still use the latest kernels cause i cant live without compiling them |
| 04:40.10 | en1gma | when one comes out i have to have it |
| 04:40.11 | CompWizrd | you can still use the latest kernels on oldstable, let alone stable |
| 04:40.18 | Wyzard | en1gma: Use stable, not testing |
| 04:40.24 | Wyzard | en1gma: testing is the *last* to get security fixes |
| 04:40.29 | en1gma | im not using etch |
| 04:40.29 | geo-rge | you can live without compiling kernels |
| 04:40.36 | geo-rge | you can't live without water |
| 04:40.37 | en1gma | lenny at least |
| 04:41.01 | Wyzard | en1gma: testing only gets security fixes when the fixed versions go into sid, wait there for awhile (a week or more) to make sure there are no major bugs, and then move to testing |
| 04:41.20 | en1gma | lenny = testing right? i can dload my kernels from kernel.org (the latest they have) and it wont break anything...or will gcc even compile em |
| 04:41.37 | streuner | jdeuce: so you are using dhclient? |
| 04:41.42 | Daveman | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.48 | geo-rge | en1gma: I'm NOT saying "don't ever run sid because it can treat you weird" |
| 04:41.54 | geo-rge | what I'm saying is |
| 04:41.55 | jdeuce | streuner: am i? im using whatever the latest install disc put on for me |
| 04:41.57 | en1gma | Wyzard you said the broken version dont make it into testing |
| 04:42.01 | semprix | Daveman: howdy |
| 04:42.02 | geo-rge | you don't need to on a -router- |
| 04:42.05 | streuner | jdeuce: did you configure /etc/dhclient.conf? |
| 04:42.05 | semprix | hows it going |
| 04:42.05 | Daveman | hey semprix :) |
| 04:42.13 | trebor_home | liable: i pasted a wlanconfig ath0 list scan: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708#1. |
| 04:42.15 | jdeuce | streuner: didnt touch it |
| 04:42.15 | ktne | how can i update apt after i modified the mirror list? |
| 04:42.18 | geo-rge | you might as well run etch and be done |
| 04:42.24 | ktne | or should everything just work once i modified sources.list? |
| 04:42.25 | Daveman | seems like albeit their suggestion to add their apt source list, it 404s |
| 04:42.28 | Daveman | what's up with that :p |
| 04:42.29 | en1gma | geo-rge i want the bridge thing fixed |
| 04:42.33 | en1gma | for wireless nics |
| 04:42.39 | geo-rge | you don't need a bridge |
| 04:42.40 | en1gma | i have to have sid and latest kernels |
| 04:42.50 | jdeuce | streuner: i dont seem to have that file on the box though |
| 04:42.52 | Wyzard | en1gma: right, because it's an obvious, major bug -- gnucash doesn't even start -- so it was reported immediately, and this version of gnucash won't go into testing because it has this bug report on it |
| 04:43.00 | geo-rge | you don't need bridging software either |
| 04:43.17 | en1gma | i know i dont have it installed |
| 04:43.18 | geo-rge | what you need is ipmasq and a hub or switch |
| 04:43.24 | en1gma | i use seperate networks right now |
| 04:43.25 | geo-rge | switch is preferred |
| 04:43.43 | Wyzard | en1gma: You really have no need for "sid and latest kernels" |
| 04:43.50 | en1gma | geo-rge i have 5 nics in my linux router box im not going to buy a switch that would take the fun out of it |
| 04:44.02 | Wyzard | en1gma: What you want is a stable, reliable box that will work for a long time without needing to be extensively tweaked, and that's exactly what stable is for |
| 04:44.06 | geo-rge | true |
| 04:44.06 | Daveman | :\ |
| 04:44.14 | geo-rge | would take the fun out of building the router |
| 04:44.17 | jdeuce | streuner: i found it at /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf but its still at the defaults and from what it seems like i dont have to edit anything in there. do you ahve some suggested changes? |
| 04:44.28 | en1gma | Wyzard even if i ran stable i would still have to do all my tweaks |
| 04:44.37 | Wyzard | en1gma: Why? |
| 04:44.37 | liable | trebor_home: that link doesnt work |
| 04:44.38 | geo-rge | would also put the fun into running debian on a different machine with a solid stable net connection |
| 04:44.41 | en1gma | same thing as sid as far as my ocd goes |
| 04:44.48 | en1gma | i want to minimize my install |
| 04:44.51 | liable | even with the period removed |
| 04:44.52 | geo-rge | one which invites people to just connect and it works |
| 04:44.59 | en1gma | get it to run so tight if i remove one thing it will break |
| 04:45.05 | streuner | jdeuce: well, my dhclient.conf is well described in the file itselfs... |
| 04:45.07 | en1gma | its not just a router |
| 04:45.13 | liable | trebor_home: ok, got it |
| 04:45.16 | geo-rge | you don't even need to do that |
| 04:45.16 | en1gma | its a complete box i will control from windows |
| 04:45.24 | geo-rge | (it shouldn't be more than a router |
| 04:45.26 | geo-rge | ) |
| 04:45.30 | Wyzard | en1gma: If you truly have OCD, you should see a doctor and get medication for it |
| 04:45.39 | en1gma | pass pass give |
| 04:45.40 | CompWizrd | this line of thought makes me head hurt |
| 04:45.53 | CompWizrd | you should install potato. |
| 04:46.00 | CompWizrd | i used to strip potato down to about 40 meg, with X |
| 04:46.03 | jdeuce | streuner: right, but mine also says under normal circumstances i shouldnt have to change anything.. and its all commented out so there's nothing in there now. what do you think i could add to fix it? |
| 04:46.13 | en1gma | CompWizrd are you serious |
| 04:46.14 | liable | trebor_home: english would be nice |
| 04:46.26 | dalias | uhg wyzard are you just trying to be funny or seriously advocating bs meds |
| 04:46.31 | geo-rge | Wyzard: are you in the us and want to see a fairly entertaining conspiracy-theory movie? |
| 04:46.41 | CompWizrd | used to netboot it on a 386/16, and use rdesktop to connect to a windows server |
| 04:46.44 | CompWizrd | have you discovered localepurge yet? |
| 04:46.50 | *** join/#debian TheDreamer (n=youri@root.dyndns.org) |
| 04:46.50 | CompWizrd | might save you a fair chunk of space |
| 04:46.54 | Supaplex | streuner: cool, thanks for the tip. after restarting ksensors (with new modules loaded), it's showing me all the details I wanted, and more that I never knew about. :) |
| 04:47.11 | en1gma | you want to know where this ocd comes from...i used to have commodore 64s (64k mem) vic20s (20k mem) amigs 1/2meg trs80 color computer 16k that piggy backed another 16 to make it 32k |
| 04:47.21 | en1gma | so i know what a system needs to function |
| 04:47.33 | en1gma | and when we start talking 300meg install size that is pathetic |
| 04:47.38 | CompWizrd | oh, and webmin is generally considered to be evil, hence why it's no longer in debian |
| 04:47.45 | streuner | jdeuce: did you read the examples in /usr/share/doc/interfaces/examples/*? |
| 04:47.50 | *** join/#debian Garda_ (n=Garda@60-240-63-218.tpgi.com.au) |
| 04:47.57 | en1gma | im trying to get away from webmin by doing a remote X desktop |
| 04:47.57 | Supaplex | en1gma really wants openwrt. ;) |
| 04:47.57 | trebor_home | liable: how do i enforce english output? |
| 04:48.03 | *** join/#debian dsoup (n=dsoup_@stjhnf0112w-142162176064.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) |
| 04:48.09 | liable | trebor_home: tis ok, just wanted to make sure it wasnt an eap network |
| 04:48.10 | geo-rge | en1gma: right now drives -start- at like 200g |
| 04:48.13 | keith4 | my router runs on an old 8M CF card |
| 04:48.23 | Wyzard | en1gma: What GUI apps would you run with remote X? |
| 04:48.25 | en1gma | Supaplex i did think about it but you know what...a linux router box can do everything openwrt and oh so much more |
| 04:48.30 | en1gma | with even better security |
| 04:48.33 | Wyzard | en1gma: I do all my admin stuff on my router with plain ssh |
| 04:48.36 | CompWizrd | my 2TB (and used to be 4TB) server boots off a 16M CF card :) |
| 04:48.38 | jdeuce | streuner: i dont have those files |
| 04:48.40 | en1gma | Wyzard nmap |
| 04:48.41 | en1gma | :) |
| 04:48.49 | en1gma | wireshark |
| 04:48.49 | *** join/#debian santosh (n=santosh@202.141.151.85) |
| 04:49.07 | en1gma | those are needed in gui apps cause outputting to txt file just dont cut it |
| 04:49.08 | Wyzard | en1gma: nmap is a command-line tool; the GUI is optional |
| 04:49.16 | trebor_home | liable: "Farbtopf" is the one i would like to contact. |
| 04:49.18 | en1gma | nmapFE* |
| 04:49.21 | CompWizrd | nmap has a gui? |
| 04:49.22 | CompWizrd | odd. |
| 04:49.23 | Supaplex | CompWizrd: I do the same thing for my sw raid. it boots from cf<->usb so all my sata drives are happy. |
| 04:49.27 | keith4 | en1gma: you might be interested in Nessus |
| 04:49.28 | streuner | jdeuce: /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 04:49.29 | Wyzard | wireshark makes more sense |
| 04:49.34 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: nmapfe |
| 04:49.36 | geo-rge | gooooey |
| 04:49.43 | en1gma | well nmap i could live with but wireshark for real time sucks in cli |
| 04:49.48 | CompWizrd | Supaplex: i ran into the problem you can't boot off a GPT partition.. so i stuffed the 16 meg CF card on an adapter |
| 04:50.05 | en1gma | keith4 nessus is nice |
| 04:50.11 | en1gma | i just hate registering |
| 04:50.18 | *** part/#debian santosh (n=santosh@202.141.151.85) |
| 04:50.28 | en1gma | actually the more i read i keep bumping into that stuff |
| 04:50.29 | Daveman | Supaplex, so what's the the loller404 from security.debian.org? :p |
| 04:50.32 | en1gma | thats on my list to check ouit |
| 04:50.35 | keith4 | you might also be interested in a foil hat |
| 04:50.44 | en1gma | where do you get em |
| 04:50.56 | Supaplex | Daveman: heh? |
| 04:51.09 | trebor_home | liable: madwifi & hardware are working, right? |
| 04:51.26 | *** join/#debian nemo (n=nemo@60-242-110-35.tpgi.com.au) |
| 04:51.30 | Daveman | Supaplex, deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free => 404 |
| 04:51.43 | en1gma | potatoe sounds intresting but there are going to be more things i gonna do with the router box |
| 04:51.45 | Daveman | :p |
| 04:51.47 | en1gma | wish it had dual core |
| 04:52.12 | en1gma | do they make a socket A chip that is dual core |
| 04:52.25 | en1gma | i dont think so |
| 04:52.26 | liable | trebor_home: the hardware appears to be, madwifi looks like it could be a problem. I would try and find an open network to connect to, and also post to the madwifi mailing list, and if noone helps, file a bug at madwifi.org |
| 04:52.27 | Wyzard | en1gma: The potato thing was a joke... potato is an obsolete and no-longer-supported old version of Debian |
| 04:52.44 | *** join/#debian jordo23 (n=jordo23@CPE-65-31-131-130.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 04:52.44 | Wyzard | en1gma: dual-core in a home router is also pointless |
| 04:52.45 | jdeuce | streuner: ok, so what does that have to do with the dhcp client not working? |
| 04:52.56 | liable | trebor_home: is this not your access point? |
| 04:53.19 | Supaplex | Daveman: works here. http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/ what ip is apt reportting? |
| 04:53.20 | en1gma | Wyzard and to all...dont anyone find it strange (that has had some really old computer hardware) that those computers that had 16, 32, and 64k did the same shit linux does in consle but way back then with a lot less memory |
| 04:53.22 | CompWizrd | dude, potato is about 6 years old. |
| 04:53.23 | en1gma | how did they do it |
| 04:53.31 | CompWizrd | even woody isn't supported for security updates anymore |
| 04:53.32 | CompWizrd | and it's newer |
| 04:53.41 | trebor_home | liable: it is my access-point, yes. |
| 04:53.54 | Daveman | Supaplex, yeah |
| 04:54.05 | Wyzard | en1gma: Old DOS systems did not do "the same shit linux does", or anything even close to it |
| 04:54.21 | CompWizrd | my first PC had 1kb ram.. it could play a mean game of chess :) |
| 04:54.24 | Daveman | 128.31.0.36 |
| 04:54.27 | en1gma | oh i wouldnt be to sure about that....they even came with "basic" |
| 04:54.31 | streuner | jdeuce: you surely need to read how to configure interfaces |
| 04:54.37 | azeem | en1gma: did you know you can compile kernels in realtime with git? |
| 04:54.49 | keith4 | en1gma: if you pay shipping, i'll send you a new linux box for free |
| 04:54.56 | *** join/#debian khaleel5000 (i=khaleel@203.80.129.39) |
| 04:54.57 | azeem | just recompile whenever Linus changes something |
| 04:54.58 | en1gma | azeem i heard about git here and there but never really checked into it |
| 04:55.01 | liable | trebor_home: so turn off the security to test |
| 04:55.02 | Supaplex | Daveman: I get Connection refused |
| 04:55.03 | en1gma | dont even know what git is |
| 04:55.04 | *** join/#debian zigong (n=weechat@cogitateurs-agitateurs/zigong) |
| 04:55.09 | Wyzard | en1gma: Yes, DOS had BASIC... but DOS couldn't even run more than one program at a time |
| 04:55.12 | azeem | en1gma: you don't have to wait till a new kernel gets released! |
| 04:55.27 | Daveman | Supaplex :[ |
| 04:55.31 | *** join/#debian Xenguy (n=gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca) |
| 04:55.32 | en1gma | azeem do i have to program or somehting |
| 04:55.40 | azeem | well |
| 04:55.46 | Supaplex | Daveman: my bad. I forgot :80 in my http_proxy= |
| 04:55.46 | azeem | you'd have to learn to use git |
| 04:55.51 | Wyzard | en1gma: There's no sshd for DOS, no nmap or wireshark for DOS, no IP masquerading on DOS, no network installs of DOS, and no security updates for DOS |
| 04:55.53 | Daveman | ;p |
| 04:55.57 | azeem | I heard it's not so easy |
| 04:56.06 | en1gma | Wyzard im saying for the price/perf ratio analogy to ram/install size to what we have today |
| 04:56.07 | *** join/#debian Grant85 (n=grant_85@srv1.netmart.com.au) |
| 04:56.09 | en1gma | isnt that great |
| 04:56.09 | Grant85 | Hello, while tailing the access.log for squid, every site thats been viewed shows this message in the line "TCP_MISS" can anyone explain what this means? |
| 04:56.11 | Wyzard | en1gma: You really can't say old DOS boxes did all the same stuff Linux does today |
| 04:56.12 | Xenguy | heh |
| 04:56.38 | Xenguy | en1gma: agreed, there's no comparison |
| 04:56.44 | en1gma | well of course not exactly the same stuff but hell i got on net back then and networked |
| 04:56.48 | Supaplex | Daveman: comment everything but security.debian.org, and try try http_proxy="http://212.211.132.250:80" aptitude ... |
| 04:57.06 | Daveman | o.O |
| 04:57.07 | en1gma | did some programming in basic that was inc in the rom mem |
| 04:57.15 | Supaplex | Daveman: or force security.debian.org to what ever ip you want in /etc/hosts |
| 04:57.18 | en1gma | booted 100x faster |
| 04:57.39 | Daveman | bah! |
| 04:57.55 | en1gma | operating systems and the added programs have really gotten huge and not gave us that much more |
| 04:57.59 | Xenguy | en1gma: true, I remember running dial-up using DOS, using Pegasus mail for DOS, and some *graphical* web browser whose name I now forget :-) |
| 04:58.33 | en1gma | Xenguy exactly my point...it might not have been pretty but the basics were there |
| 04:58.34 | dalias | afaik dialup never worked properly under DOS... |
| 04:58.34 | Xenguy | en1gma: but no, there is no comparison between DOS and linux :P |
| 04:58.51 | en1gma | im not comparing dos to linux but more about the size of the os |
| 04:58.53 | GullyFoyle | i remember using a 300 baud modem you stick the phone handset into |
| 04:59.02 | GullyFoyle | i'm not kidding |
| 04:59.03 | dalias | there was some warezed tcp stack i got for playing quake, ages ago |
| 04:59.14 | dalias | but it didn't work right |
| 04:59.17 | Supaplex | dalias: sure it does. I've used ppp in dos before. google for lynx386 |
| 04:59.24 | en1gma | GullyFoyle those were sweet i rem shelling out $300.00 for a hayes "compat" modem |
| 04:59.25 | Wyzard | en1gma: Yes, Linux hasn't given us anything of value beyond DOS... being able to run more than one process at a time is worthless |
| 04:59.27 | en1gma | not even hayes |
| 04:59.45 | dalias | supaplex, there was no standard api for apps to share |
| 04:59.51 | en1gma | well multiprocessing of course is a huge plus |
| 05:00.10 | Xenguy | Wyzard: the multi-tasking thing is a bit of a clincher :-) |
| 05:00.27 | Wyzard | and with multitasking comes the need for memory protection, so programs can't overwrite each other's memory |
| 05:00.34 | en1gma | to get my linux box down to a minimum (dont forget we are talking w3m or links or lynx) its still 300megs |
| 05:00.44 | en1gma | thats a whole lot trimmed down and everything |
| 05:00.45 | dalias | en1gma, with debian, yes |
| 05:00.45 | GullyFoyle | man you can run nethack reealyy fast nowadays |
| 05:00.53 | Daveman | Supaplex? |
| 05:00.58 | dalias | i can run a linux box with about 10-25 megs |
| 05:01.28 | Daveman | dalias, good for you :) |
| 05:01.29 | dalias | but obviously you can't do that with a distro that's supposed to scale to the needs of users who want many 'modern' apps |
| 05:01.34 | en1gma | dalias hmmm i been trying to figure out how to do that...are you talking a compressed image that expands over 100 like dsl uses |
| 05:01.41 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 05:01.42 | dalias | no |
| 05:01.52 | Supaplex | Daveman: yes? |
| 05:01.52 | dalias | just using efficient software |
| 05:01.57 | Daveman | So, what are you suggesting? :p |
| 05:01.59 | en1gma | hmm i thinking |
| 05:02.00 | dalias | busybox, nano, etc. |
| 05:02.01 | Wyzard | en1gma: My WRT54GL is a Linux system that runs in 16MB of RAM and IIRC, 8MB of "disk" (actually flash) |
| 05:02.05 | Daveman | also, what's the problem with them? :P |
| 05:02.08 | Daveman | more importantly |
| 05:02.20 | Wyzard | en1gma: It's an embedded system, specifically tuned for running in a resource-constrained environment |
| 05:02.25 | en1gma | Wyzard so you can add nmap and tshark? |
| 05:02.30 | Supaplex | Daveman: nfc :P |
| 05:02.42 | dalias | linux can be fairly small |
| 05:02.45 | Daveman | no fucking clue? |
| 05:02.48 | *** part/#debian jdeuce (n=qwerty@S01060014bfc80254.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 05:02.52 | Supaplex | Daveman: correct |
| 05:02.55 | Daveman | :D |
| 05:02.56 | Wyzard | en1gma: dunno about tshark, but tcpdump is available for it |
| 05:03.01 | en1gma | Wyzard when you really slice and dice a kernel to your exact machine isnt that basically what an embedded is |
| 05:03.03 | dalias | sadly the baseline requirements have bloated too much over the past 10 years |
| 05:03.10 | dalias | but it's not extremely bad |
| 05:03.21 | Wyzard | en1gma: No, not just the kernel, but *everything* built minimally |
| 05:03.22 | Daveman | yeah I don't get it |
| 05:03.29 | Daveman | it only fucks up on one of these machines :[ |
| 05:03.32 | Daveman | weird :D |
| 05:03.38 | en1gma | Wyzard i seriously thought about getting that router...but at local retail stores they really dont carry to many openwrt unless you get a new one of coursr |
| 05:03.51 | dalias | number 1 thing that must be killed for embedded use: glibc |
| 05:04.02 | dalias | it's over 100x bigger than it should be |
| 05:04.03 | GullyFoyle | power of the hardware ahs explode in 10 years |
| 05:04.07 | en1gma | yea everything really has bloated alot |
| 05:04.12 | Daveman | wtf |
| 05:04.20 | Wyzard | en1gma: Debian is not designed as an embedded system; it's meant for general-purpose PCs which are expected to have at least a few hundred megabytes of disk and at least a few tens of megabytes of RAM |
| 05:04.22 | en1gma | dalias <<<<correctamundo |
| 05:04.25 | ameyer | not this again... |
| 05:04.36 | Wyzard | en1gma: so it includes all the extra code that's not *essential*, but is nice to have anyway |
| 05:04.46 | behrad | how can i turn off display logs in shell mod? |
| 05:04.54 | dalias | behrad, ? |
| 05:04.57 | ameyer | Linux apparently isn't the best for embedded systems |
| 05:05.00 | Wyzard | en1gma: things like tab-completion in the shell, and more extensible networking configuration |
| 05:05.02 | GullyFoyle | the average desktop nowadays would have had a name 20 years ago... "Supercomputer" |
| 05:05.18 | dalias | ameyer, linux can do very well for embedded systems if you put the effort into it |
| 05:05.38 | behrad | dalias, i gave logs in display when i install etch without x |
| 05:05.40 | dalias | i'd like a kernel with more of an anti-bloat emphasis, but linux works reasonably well |
| 05:05.43 | Wyzard | en1gma: You're basically trying to turn Debian into an embedded system, which is silly -- especially when you're running it on hardware that has no need for that |
| 05:05.44 | en1gma | Wyzard well if the store might have carried an openwrt for under $60.00 i prob would have picked one up...but hell i had a spare parts and a lot of old equipment and it has usb ports so i can add network printer and i have a hard drive for network storage |
| 05:05.56 | dalias | behrad, you want to stop logs from appearing on console? |
| 05:05.57 | en1gma | so i thought it will be bigger for sure but i can do alot with it |
| 05:06.00 | ameyer | well, Linux would tend to be a bit big for embedded use, plus the GPL isn't particularly business-friendly |
| 05:06.03 | dalias | look in /etc/defaults/klogd |
| 05:06.06 | behrad | dalias, yes |
| 05:06.12 | dalias | and add -c1 (minimal loglevel) to the options |
| 05:06.17 | Wyzard | ameyer: Linux *does* get used for embedded stuff |
| 05:06.25 | en1gma | dalias the ppl that make dsl refuse to goto 2.6 cause udev is just to big |
| 05:06.37 | en1gma | ohhh that is another Q i been thinking about forever |
| 05:06.39 | *** join/#debian Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable138.202-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 05:06.40 | Wyzard | ameyer: TiVo runs Linux, for example, and I think Nokia recently released some Linux-based smartphone |
| 05:06.44 | dalias | umm udev can be removed, afaik.. |
| 05:07.02 | en1gma | since i know my hardware and select it in .config why do i need plug and play and udev and all that auto detect stuff |
| 05:07.12 | dalias | you don't need it |
| 05:07.14 | dalias | disable it |
| 05:07.17 | ameyer | I didn't say it wasn't used for embedded stuff, just that it's less than ideal in some ways |
| 05:07.22 | dalias | however debian needs udev afaik |
| 05:07.30 | en1gma | well i mean i disable what i can but i think udev still gets installed |
| 05:07.31 | *** part/#debian ktne (n=ktne@unaffiliated/ktne) |
| 05:07.32 | Supaplex | en1gma wants a 2.0 kernel ;) |
| 05:07.34 | en1gma | or "built" |
| 05:07.42 | behrad | dalias, thanks |
| 05:07.44 | ameyer | on the other hand, it's royalty-free and geeks love it |
| 05:07.50 | Daveman | wow, wtf :p |
| 05:07.51 | dalias | ameyer, see uclibc dev lists and channel; lots of people use it for linux-embedded |
| 05:07.57 | en1gma | slackware 9.1 i could install 150 megs with a fully working DE |
| 05:07.59 | Daveman | I changed the address manually, and it still fucks up; awesome. |
| 05:08.07 | en1gma | without X under 90megs |
| 05:08.15 | en1gma | actually i think it was 70megs |
| 05:08.28 | Wyzard | en1gma: Slackware 9.1's idea of "fully working" was a lot different than the current meaning of that term, though |
| 05:08.30 | Supaplex | Daveman: lol! |
| 05:08.36 | ameyer | the whole GPL thing is a bit too viral for embedded linux's own good |
| 05:08.38 | dalias | yes, exactly what wyzard said.. |
| 05:08.41 | *** join/#debian VARGUX (n=vargux@200.124.51.61) |
| 05:08.47 | dalias | ameyer, stop gpl-trolling |
| 05:08.49 | en1gma | fluxbox with firefox |
| 05:08.54 | dalias | plenty of companies use linux for embedded use |
| 05:08.59 | Supaplex | !sucks |
| 05:08.59 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 05:09.00 | dalias | gpl does not interfere with that at all |
| 05:09.04 | Wyzard | en1gma: People expect things like anti-aliased fonts, Unicode support, and auto-mounting of USB drives when they're plugged in |
| 05:09.11 | Wyzard | en1gma: All that takes more code |
| 05:09.26 | en1gma | Wyzard udev is kind of nice... |
| 05:09.27 | *** join/#debian waqjan (n=waqjan@203.81.206.93) |
| 05:09.33 | dotz | hi i'm getting http://paste.debian.net/37059 error when trying to use apt-get .. how do i resolve this problem? |
| 05:09.43 | dalias | waqjan, it only takes more code if its written by gnome idiots |
| 05:09.45 | en1gma | Supaplex :) |
| 05:09.56 | GullyFoyle | gimme a console and GNU screen, that's what I call a window manager |
| 05:09.58 | dalias | unicode support is trivial if it's written by someone with a clue |
| 05:10.05 | dalias | gullyfoyle, :) |
| 05:10.08 | Wyzard | en1gma: On a non-embedded system that has room for it, yes, it's nice |
| 05:10.15 | streuner | dotz: what does "dpkg -l nfs-common" say? |
| 05:10.24 | streuner | dotz: only one line please |
| 05:10.32 | Wyzard | en1gma: It's possible to build an embedded system that doesn't need it, but Debian isn't an embedded system |
| 05:10.37 | Kage` | My bad |
| 05:10.38 | en1gma | there are so many time i think about going the LFS route but i love apt-get and now that i have really gotten used to it and its dependability i dont think my brain could go back to searching for deps |
| 05:10.47 | *** join/#debian freespace (i=steve@60.242.94.250) |
| 05:10.54 | dalias | en1gma, the approaches have different uses |
| 05:11.05 | dalias | for a server you want to install and never have to think about again, debian is perfect |
| 05:11.19 | en1gma | Wyzard yea i see your point |
| 05:11.27 | dalias | for a toybox of fun new software to play with (and often get serious work done with too), debian is also perfect |
| 05:11.46 | CompWizrd | btw, to save you some reinstalls, you do know if you delete something you shouldn't have, you can find out what package it was in, with packages.debian.org, and then apt-get install --reinstall packagename? |
| 05:11.48 | en1gma | dalias playing with proxy server is on my do list :) |
| 05:11.58 | ameyer | From a business standpoint, GPL and proprietary hardware-related information don't mix</ati_and_nvidia's_excuse_for_not_properly_supporting_linux> |
| 05:12.09 | Daveman | Supaplex, no kidding :P |
| 05:12.17 | dalias | ameyer, that is unrelated; PLEASE, stop trolling |
| 05:12.22 | Grant85 | Hello, while tailing the access.log for squid, every site thats been viewed shows this message in the line "TCP_MISS" can anyone explain what this means? ????? |
| 05:12.26 | ameyer | dalias: f off |
| 05:12.32 | en1gma | i thought ati gave the green light for linux support from community |
| 05:12.44 | ameyer | well, ati's old excuse |
| 05:12.47 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:12.51 | dalias | ati and nvidia's reasons for not making free software drivers is because they both infringe on each other's patents like crazy, and they both lie to hell about their hardware capabilities by emulating things in software |
| 05:13.02 | CompWizrd | Grant85: didn't have the page in the cache already |
| 05:13.07 | en1gma | cant believe ati beat nvidia after all these years of nvidia being the goto card for linux |
| 05:13.16 | Daveman | any ideas? :P |
| 05:13.17 | dalias | releasing source would implicate them in the (bogus) patent infringement and in false advertising |
| 05:13.20 | en1gma | actually we can prob thank AMD and amd has always been cool like that |
| 05:13.25 | GullyFoyle | i thought amd was gonna start rollin' with the linux gang |
| 05:13.39 | en1gma | AMD has definately been cool to the community |
| 05:13.42 | Grant85 | CompWizrd This still occurs even after refreshing the page multiple times... |
| 05:13.49 | *** join/#debian phlux (i=phlux@i.rootshells.org) |
| 05:14.14 | en1gma | themolester i think i know that nick from an irc channel on efnet |
| 05:14.21 | en1gma | a warezz |
| 05:14.23 | en1gma | :) |
| 05:14.23 | *** join/#debian phlux (n=phlux@66-168-241-136.dhcp.mtgm.al.charter.com) |
| 05:14.38 | themolester | i wouldn't know anything about that |
| 05:14.38 | phlux | Anyone around? I'm having laptop issues :( |
| 05:14.41 | themolester | :) |
| 05:14.48 | en1gma | ha |
| 05:14.50 | *** join/#debian maikeru (n=maikeru@unaffiliated/maikeru) |
| 05:14.52 | *** join/#debian bonii (n=boni@unaffiliated/bonii) |
| 05:14.54 | en1gma | im wondering if it could be |
| 05:15.06 | themolester | dont know... I know of no other like I |
| 05:15.19 | GullyFoyle | en1gma: he likes small burrowing rodents: the mole-ster |
| 05:15.27 | Daveman | haha, now you're trapped in bizarro world! |
| 05:15.32 | en1gma | im trying to rem some nicks from long long time ago |
| 05:15.33 | Daveman | :D |
| 05:15.34 | phlux | I'm not getting any sound from my laptop's speakers, but if I plug speakers into the speaker jack, I do get sound. Any ideas? |
| 05:15.59 | dotz | streuner: iF nfs-common 1.0.10-6+etch.1 NFS support files common to client and server |
| 05:16.14 | en1gma | suppose i should start dlaoding dvd 4.0r1 and use it to populate my future mirror |
| 05:16.19 | Supaplex | ~toture Daveman |
| 05:16.28 | en1gma | anyone have a real fast server |
| 05:16.31 | phlux | any ideas? |
| 05:16.31 | Supaplex | ~tickle Daveman |
| 05:16.32 | apt | ACTION jumps on Daveman, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 05:16.37 | en1gma | debian servers have been really really slow for the dvd |
| 05:16.37 | Wyzard | en1gma: bittorrent |
| 05:16.43 | *** join/#debian wombat^_^ (n=nemo@60-242-110-35.tpgi.com.au) |
| 05:16.50 | GullyFoyle | Andy Roddick is a fast server |
| 05:16.53 | en1gma | i tried that other day and was gettin under 100KBs after 30mins |
| 05:16.56 | Supaplex | en1gma: netinst > dvds |
| 05:17.10 | en1gma | netinst is what i use now |
| 05:17.23 | en1gma | BUT im loosing the dvd/cd-roms |
| 05:17.28 | dotz | streuner: i think i found something weird |
| 05:17.28 | CompWizrd | i use netinst and a local proxy server, myself |
| 05:17.29 | en1gma | gonna have to be a floppy |
| 05:17.39 | en1gma | and pull off my lan mirror |
| 05:17.58 | en1gma | CompWizrd you have a mirror on your lan? |
| 05:18.02 | *** join/#debian xornoobix (i=xor@85.254.200.17) |
| 05:18.16 | bonii | I am not getting sound from my laptop speakers but I am getting sound on my headphones. I have GNOME Alsamixer in which whenever I check the HEadphone Jack mode and after I close it and run it again it comes unchecked but my GNOME volume applet shows Headphone Jack mode. Any suggestions?? Please help. |
| 05:18.25 | dotz | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/37061 |
| 05:18.27 | Supaplex | !jidgo |
| 05:18.27 | dpkg | well, jidgo is spelled correctly jigdo |
| 05:18.37 | Supaplex | !jigdo |
| 05:18.38 | dpkg | hmm... jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 05:18.40 | dotz | streuner: the status is bad |
| 05:19.07 | en1gma | jigdo never tried that method |
| 05:19.12 | phlux | bonii, I'm having the exact same problem |
| 05:19.12 | streuner | dotz: yep |
| 05:19.21 | phlux | bonii, What kind of laptop do you have? |
| 05:19.32 | dotz | streuner: what i've tried is apt-get remove and clean and auto clean |
| 05:19.33 | Daveman | Supaplex :p |
| 05:19.39 | *** join/#debian Spot2912 (n=Spot@Primus.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 05:19.39 | dotz | streuner: then install both of them again |
| 05:19.42 | bonii | I also checked dmesg and it showed that my speakers were detected and everything is okay. If my speakers have burnt out I guess dmesg would not have shown it up. |
| 05:19.56 | dotz | streuner: how do i remove everything cleanly? |
| 05:20.00 | bonii | phlux: I have an Acer laptop. Acer Aspire NWLMI |
| 05:20.06 | Supaplex | Daveman: you and your funny faces. |
| 05:20.17 | bonii | phlux: Soundcard is HDA Intel 82801 |
| 05:20.28 | phlux | ah |
| 05:20.33 | streuner | dotz: "purge" in apt-get |
| 05:20.38 | phlux | I'm working with a Dell Inspiron 1521 atm |
| 05:20.41 | Daveman | indeed :) |
| 05:20.43 | phlux | with an nvidia-legacy sound driver :| |
| 05:20.44 | CompWizrd | en1gma: proxy server, though i could easily setup a mirror |
| 05:20.54 | agent_bobblehead | bonii: try speaker-test maybe |
| 05:21.13 | dotz | streuner: there's no "purge" hmm is it -f ? |
| 05:21.18 | bonii | agent_bobblehead: speaker-test is it a software package?? |
| 05:21.26 | phlux | actually change that |
| 05:21.29 | phlux | it's got to be ATI |
| 05:21.35 | phlux | so now I'm back to square one :P |
| 05:21.42 | streuner | dotz: apt-get remove --purge <package> |
| 05:21.51 | agent_bobblehead | bonii: part of alsa, man speaker-test , speaker-test -tsine -f440 ... |
| 05:21.58 | Daveman | Supaplex |
| 05:21.59 | en1gma | all that time chatting and i should have had my dload going |
| 05:22.00 | en1gma | grrr |
| 05:22.06 | en1gma | brb |
| 05:22.09 | bonii | agent_bobblehead: I will just check it up. |
| 05:22.10 | *** join/#debian deriaN (n=nopron@0x5358ecd8.abnxx13.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 05:22.14 | Daveman | Supaplex, well the ip is rotating around my pc's |
| 05:22.26 | Daveman | but doesn't explain why it 404's on update info on one system :P |
| 05:22.31 | phlux | Must be a SB600.. |
| 05:22.37 | dotz | streuner: dpkg - warning: while removing nfs-common, directory `/var/lib/nfs' not empty so not removed. |
| 05:22.38 | agent_bobblehead | bonii: likely in alsa-utils pkg |
| 05:22.51 | *** join/#debian mmmmmmmmm (n=info@213.219.168.32.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net) |
| 05:22.58 | dotz | streuner: i think its working nowwwwwwwww |
| 05:23.17 | Supaplex | Daveman: maybe they're clustered. |
| 05:24.47 | Supaplex | a blog post never written: Transmitting datagrams with static+shag carpet |
| 05:25.00 | Daveman | :o |
| 05:25.01 | CompWizrd | Supaplex: does it involve cats? |
| 05:25.07 | Daveman | haha |
| 05:25.11 | Daveman | intarcats? |
| 05:25.25 | CompWizrd | hamsters in plastic tubes! |
| 05:25.31 | Dewi | I'm partway through upgrading sarge to etch, but I find myself in a dependancy hell |
| 05:25.31 | bonii | enouf: I ran speaker-test but I can only hear the sound if I plug in my headphones. No sound otherwise |
| 05:25.46 | Dewi | I'm not really sure what to do next |
| 05:25.46 | enouf | bonii: try alsamixer from an xterm |
| 05:25.55 | Supaplex | Dewi: did you review the release notes? |
| 05:25.59 | Dewi | Supaplex: yep |
| 05:26.02 | bonii | enouf: Its kind of strange as it just appears as if the speakers have just been muted. |
| 05:26.02 | Daveman | f2f? |
| 05:26.05 | Dewi | Supaplex: followed the instructions step by step |
| 05:26.14 | Dewi | Supaplex: but they keep failing |
| 05:26.22 | Dewi | Supaplex: dependancy problems |
| 05:26.27 | Supaplex | elaborate |
| 05:26.45 | enouf | bonii: do as root/su -/sudo lsof | egrep 'esd|arts' |
| 05:26.51 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-140-105.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 05:27.09 | Dewi | Supaplex: http://pastebin.ca/697008 |
| 05:27.11 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-227-199-227.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 05:27.13 | stiv2k | how can i get it to launch something other than rhythmbox when i press the music note button on my remote??/ |
| 05:28.10 | phlux | k |
| 05:28.15 | phlux | where is Debian's modprobe.conf |
| 05:28.32 | bonii | enouf: I tried it out and it shows a lot of listings. |
| 05:28.38 | Dewi | Supaplex: I'm just not sure which of these I am meant to remove |
| 05:28.53 | enouf | bonii: pastebin, that should be a hint though, something is locking your sound |
| 05:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 778] by debhelper |
| 05:29.01 | phlux | bonii, I figured it out for ya |
| 05:29.12 | phlux | Find the your modprobe.conf |
| 05:29.21 | bonii | phlux: Yes then?? |
| 05:29.22 | phlux | (If it doesn't exist, create it in /etc/) |
| 05:29.26 | phlux | Add the following: |
| 05:29.27 | Dewi | Supaplex: I installed the new aptitude which sits there churning away at a solution but it comes up with pretty useless solutions that don't even resolve most of the dependancy problems |
| 05:29.30 | phlux | options snd-hda-intel enable=1 index=0 model=basic |
| 05:29.43 | *** join/#debian narg (n=narg@72-55-216-222.mammothnetworks.com) |
| 05:30.28 | stiv2k | ??? |
| 05:30.44 | *** join/#debian glaslos (n=Glaslos@frnk-590d300b.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 05:31.29 | enouf | bonii: you can see the PID, and app/libname (use ps aux | grep $PID) to see more .. and then 'pkill <appname>' and (at a later time); also look into creating a ~/.asoundrc file (see alsa-project.org) |
| 05:32.27 | bonii | enouf: I will just check it up. |
| 05:32.39 | bonii | phlux: So did your problem get sorted out?? |
| 05:32.50 | phlux | Not mine, no |
| 05:33.12 | Dewi | why would aptitude warn me about 'untrusted versions' being installed? |
| 05:33.19 | *** join/#debian muntyan (n=muntyan@pool-71-113-252-83.herntx.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:33.33 | Dewi | update doesn't warn me; the latest debian-archive-keyring is installed... |
| 05:33.36 | bonii | enouf: If my sound is getting locked out how come I am getting sound on Headphones?? |
| 05:33.38 | *** join/#debian curtisk (n=curtisk@unaffiliated/braintix) |
| 05:33.42 | semprix | bonii: just update the alsa module |
| 05:33.46 | liable | Dewi: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 05:33.52 | semprix | is that the intel high definition? |
| 05:33.55 | Dewi | liable: I have |
| 05:34.06 | liable | the new version? |
| 05:34.21 | Dewi | 2007-07-31 |
| 05:34.27 | enouf | bonii: i mean it's being hijacked |
| 05:34.56 | Dewi | liable: yeah, same one I have everywhere else |
| 05:35.01 | semprix | ohh im sorry im not paying attention to the problem. heh |
| 05:35.07 | Dewi | liable: I am trying to do a sarge->etch upgrade but it has ground to a halt |
| 05:35.18 | enouf | bonii: though it's possible your alsamixewr settings are screwed, start alsamixer from console/xterm ..scroll far right, use tab, read the man page - most times, there's something "muted" |
| 05:35.20 | liable | Dewi: paste your sources. are you using an isp mirror by chance? |
| 05:35.23 | Dewi | liable: thought I found the right set of packages to remove but... now they are untrusted |
| 05:35.48 | Dewi | liable: I'm halfway through an etch upgrade and this is the first time it has complained! |
| 05:35.59 | phlux | enouf, That's not it at all |
| 05:36.11 | phlux | Laptops have two separate sound cards |
| 05:36.19 | enouf | phlux: Debian doesn't use a modprobe.conf |
| 05:36.20 | phlux | One for internal sound, and one for external |
| 05:36.26 | ameyer | not all laptops |
| 05:36.26 | Dewi | liable: http://pastebin.ca/697018 |
| 05:36.29 | enouf | i don;t use craptops |
| 05:36.37 | Dewi | liable: and here is the dependancy mess I am trying to resolve: http://pastebin.ca/697008 |
| 05:36.37 | phlux | craptops? |
| 05:36.38 | phlux | wtf |
| 05:36.48 | phlux | You're belittling an entire type of computer? |
| 05:37.03 | bonii | semprix: How do I update the alsa-module without messing around with the package manager?? |
| 05:37.04 | enouf | and in most cases i;ve seen, it's always a mute button |
| 05:37.07 | phlux | I *have* to use my laptop for college and work. Don't cut down my computer because you can't afford it. |
| 05:37.08 | ameyer | my (ancient) Dell Latitude CPX has one sound card, at least to the OS |
| 05:37.15 | *** join/#debian behanw (n=behanw@d38-64-94.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 05:37.16 | bonii | enouf: I will try it |
| 05:37.26 | *** part/#debian muntyan (n=muntyan@pool-71-113-252-83.herntx.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 05:37.27 | phlux | My Dell Inspiron 1521 has two according to Windows |
| 05:37.35 | liable | Dewi: yeah, i saw em. the x stuff i would just remove untill you have finished the upgrade |
| 05:37.36 | phlux | And Linux is only detecting one |
| 05:37.36 | Dewi | phlux: it's probably being cut down because laptops are notorious for odd and closed hardware |
| 05:37.44 | ameyer | and I would call my laptop a craptop |
| 05:37.50 | Daveman | woot |
| 05:37.51 | *** join/#debian alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) |
| 05:37.53 | phlux | My laptop rawx. |
| 05:38.06 | Daveman | in-place kernel upgrades ftw :D |
| 05:38.08 | semprix | bonii: whats your problem? actually my problem where i just updated the alsa-modules was that debian didnt detect my sound card which is intel HDA |
| 05:38.19 | Dewi | liable: sure, but now I can't do anything without key problems |
| 05:38.26 | liable | Dewi: /topic |
| 05:38.27 | semprix | then i update then and run m-a alsa |
| 05:38.36 | semprix | then everything seems to be working fine |
| 05:38.38 | Dewi | liable: huh? |
| 05:38.50 | ameyer | phlux: does sound work? |
| 05:38.50 | liable | Dewi: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 05:39.01 | Dewi | liable: how can I do that without knowing what key is missing? |
| 05:39.06 | liable | Dewi: the reason it is saying they are untrusted is because its unsigned |
| 05:39.06 | phlux | ameyer, in the right OS ;) |
| 05:39.07 | bonii | semprix: In my case I am getting sound on headphones but not on speakers. |
| 05:39.17 | ameyer | phlux: "right"? |
| 05:39.24 | Dewi | liable: I know what it means. Why would packages from etch be unsigned? |
| 05:39.27 | phlux | Well, with a "given" os |
| 05:39.33 | phlux | Works with Windows Vista and FreeBSD |
| 05:39.34 | semprix | not on speakers then you have sound on headphones? |
| 05:39.37 | bonii | enouf: I ran alsamixer. Could you guide me with the settings?? |
| 05:39.38 | semprix | thats weird |
| 05:39.40 | *** join/#debian SieRRa (n=I-LoVe-Y@88.242.33.191) |
| 05:39.40 | phlux | but not with any form of Linux |
| 05:39.42 | Supaplex | Dewi: my bad. I'm heading out on an errand. good luck with the upgrade |
| 05:39.48 | ameyer | eww, Vista... |
| 05:39.50 | liable | Dewi: the packages file from the repo should be. do another update |
| 05:39.51 | semprix | yeah try running alsamixer |
| 05:40.06 | enouf | bonii: does lsmod | grep oss show snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 05:40.09 | ameyer | it's posible your card works with OSS but not ALSA... |
| 05:40.14 | *** join/#debian Salihu (n=Salihu@65-101-171-180.desm.qwest.net) |
| 05:40.22 | phlux | that's true |
| 05:40.24 | phlux | OSS ftw |
| 05:40.31 | ameyer | since I don't think FreeBSD uses ALSA or anything related |
| 05:40.41 | phlux | it can |
| 05:40.45 | phlux | but not by default, no |
| 05:40.51 | ameyer | something about Advamced Linux Sound Architecture |
| 05:40.57 | enouf | bonii: the settings in alsamixer are pretty self-explanatory :-/ |
| 05:41.22 | Dewi | liable: this is completely unlike the usual key warnings. I don't get warned on update, I haven't been warned through hundreds of package updates, but I am warned now after the dependancy resolver runs |
| 05:41.26 | bonii | enouf: What is input souce for?? |
| 05:41.29 | enouf | bonii: <Tab>, Up/Down arrows, etc |
| 05:41.40 | bonii | enouf: I have it set to Headphone |
| 05:41.47 | Dewi | liable: I have upgraded aptitude to the etch version to make dependancy resolution easier. Could that somehow break trust? |
| 05:41.52 | phlux | I'm seeing snd_pcm_oss and snd_pcm when I do "lsmod | grep oss" |
| 05:42.01 | enouf | bonii: whatever you like, i'm no alsamixer expert - try altering it |
| 05:42.02 | phlux | snd_pcm 89096 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss |
| 05:42.07 | phlux | Looks like bonii's problem, too |
| 05:42.12 | ameyer | although, depending on how ALSA's licensed, it might be trivial enough to port to a BSD... |
| 05:42.16 | bonii | phlux: Yes |
| 05:42.20 | enouf | bonii: try that lsmod command above |
| 05:42.23 | liable | Dewi: strange. what package are you installing? its not the old one from cache is it? |
| 05:42.44 | liable | Dewi: does cleaning your apt cache help? |
| 05:42.44 | *** join/#debian smokestack (n=aaron@ip72-223-93-244.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 05:42.51 | *** join/#debian d-media (i=d-media@74-133-84-27.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 05:43.00 | smokestack | how would I go about granting root privs to a non-root account on my system? |
| 05:43.18 | bonii | enouf: Yes it shows me snd_pcm_oss and snd_pcm too |
| 05:43.25 | liable | smokestack: by using su or sudo |
| 05:43.33 | Dewi | liable: hey! it worked |
| 05:43.38 | d-media | Does any one have a personal account through the college or personal webpages? |
| 05:43.42 | smokestack | liable, is there a way to do it without exposing the root password? |
| 05:43.45 | liable | Dewi: good |
| 05:43.51 | liable | smokestack: sudo |
| 05:44.45 | enouf | bonii: ok, back to altering settings in alsamixer then i suppose - snd_mixer_oss is shown? |
| 05:44.52 | liable | smokestack: what exactly are you doing? |
| 05:44.55 | smokestack | liable, it seems like they would have to know and type in the root password unless i'm missing something |
| 05:45.02 | bonii | enouf: Yes. |
| 05:45.05 | enouf | ok |
| 05:45.07 | liable | smokestack: yes, you are missing something :P |
| 05:45.09 | smokestack | liable, just trying to grant a certain user root privs on the box without giving them the root password |
| 05:45.17 | smokestack | liable, could you point me in the right direction? =) |
| 05:45.25 | liable | smokestack: man sudoers |
| 05:45.34 | enouf | bonii: man alsamixer is quite good |
| 05:45.39 | Dewi | liable: what's scary is I've done several flawless sarge->etch upgrades on similar machines before... and I didn't even read the release notes those times |
| 05:45.55 | smokestack | liable, i was looking at that, and there doesn't appear to be a sudoers file on my system (/etc/sudoers) -- i assume that's default? |
| 05:45.57 | liable | Dewi: heh |
| 05:46.02 | Dewi | liable: dunno what it is about this machine. Backports, maybe. But it hasn't actually complained about any of the backports |
| 05:46.11 | phlux | er |
| 05:46.21 | phlux | it isn't possible to view OSS cards in alsamixer... |
| 05:46.24 | liable | Dewi: yeah, backports are mentioned as trouble causers |
| 05:46.27 | bonii | enouf: I will put the output of lsof | egrep 'arts|esd' in patebin |
| 05:46.46 | liable | smokestack: sudo is what you want. man sudo, man visudo, man sudoers |
| 05:46.48 | enouf | bonii: if all else fails, try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 05:46.53 | *** join/#debian archangelpetro (n=bleh@85.92.185.70) |
| 05:47.09 | *** join/#debian xlotlu (n=john@82.78.88.78) |
| 05:47.11 | smokestack | liable, thanks |
| 05:47.16 | liable | smokestack: its a bit confusing, but i am sure theres lots of stuff on the web about it |
| 05:47.30 | *** join/#debian `ns` (n=ns@dhcp561-1-25.dsl.ucc-net.ca) |
| 05:47.37 | smokestack | there is, i'll begin my searching -- thanks again (you da man!) |
| 05:47.42 | liable | np |
| 05:47.46 | phlux | bonii, check 'amixer' for your Volume settings on PCM,0 |
| 05:48.04 | *** part/#debian `ns` (n=ns@dhcp561-1-25.dsl.ucc-net.ca) |
| 05:48.10 | enouf | bonii: you should select 'alsa' -i wonder of you're using KDE/Gnome and it's settings are in the way |
| 05:48.17 | enouf | kmixer, etc etc |
| 05:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 785] by debhelper |
| 05:49.19 | bonii | phlux: It shows full sound. |
| 05:49.24 | phlux | hah, same here |
| 05:49.30 | phlux | I believe we may have the same card |
| 05:49.42 | bonii | phlux: I guess so too. |
| 05:50.04 | phlux | I'm going to see what I can't do - if I figure something out I'll let you know. |
| 05:50.25 | enouf | hrm; ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS |
| 05:50.26 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 2007-08-27 06:59 /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS -> /lib/linux-sound-base/noOSS.modprobe.conf |
| 05:50.45 | enouf | ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat |
| 05:50.45 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 2007-03-13 00:12 /etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat -> /lib/oss-compat/linux |
| 05:51.24 | bonii | phlux: Yes okay. You can give me your email id via private message and I will give you mine. |
| 05:51.35 | enouf | there's an Aoss pkg , iirc |
| 05:51.46 | bonii | enouf: Here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/697039 |
| 05:51.56 | enouf | bonii: ok |
| 05:52.22 | enouf | omg |
| 05:52.45 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@208.96.111.60) |
| 05:53.04 | bonii | enouf: Should I install oss-compat?? |
| 05:53.26 | *** join/#debian vader-- (n=me@c-71-226-197-0.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 05:53.27 | phlux | Nah |
| 05:53.30 | enouf | bonii: i would start by killing of esd |
| 05:53.34 | phlux | It isn't a necessity |
| 05:53.36 | enouf | er off* |
| 05:53.46 | bonii | phlux: Should I install oss-compat?? Should I do the do create the modprobe.conf file?? |
| 05:53.57 | bonii | enouf: Sudo killall esd will do I guess?? |
| 05:53.57 | phlux | Nope, I wouldn't do either |
| 05:54.07 | *** join/#debian Skept (n=melancho@58.68.78.10) |
| 05:54.08 | enouf | bonii: should |
| 05:54.18 | enouf | bonii: pkill esd |
| 05:54.23 | phlux | oss-compat just tells programs that don't support ALSA to use oss-compat |
| 05:54.47 | enouf | bonii: some may not die, unlees your root/sudo, or might need a pkill -9 esd |
| 05:55.08 | solid_liq | if I have a stuck package in apt that won't be fixed by -f, and can't be removed, what else can I do? (trying to get a dist-upgrade to complete) |
| 05:55.25 | Skept | Hi guys, can I run 64 bit kernel on intel dualcore? |
| 05:55.35 | solid_liq | enouf: any idea? |
| 05:55.56 | enouf | solid_liq: hrm error? |
| 05:56.25 | solid_liq | enouf: just a sec |
| 05:56.44 | enouf | Skept: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep flags |
| 05:57.01 | enouf | Skept: i would say yes, if it's core2duo |
| 05:57.08 | solid_liq | enouf: it's a dependency problem |
| 05:57.16 | enouf | Skept: but your flags will tell us |
| 05:57.30 | bonii | enouf: Even after pkill -9 esd I am getting the same listing as before on lsof |
| 05:57.35 | enouf | solid_liq: i understand |
| 05:57.44 | solid_liq | enouf: trying to remove, it gives: dpkg: error processing cupsys (--remove): |
| 05:57.50 | solid_liq | enouf: with dpkg --remove |
| 05:57.55 | bonii | phlux: Did you try creating the modprobe.conf file?? |
| 05:58.00 | solid_liq | enouf: and with upgrade... |
| 05:58.08 | enouf | bonii: maybe restart your desktop session then, try again, be more forceful, use pkill -9, etc etc |
| 05:58.41 | enouf | solid_liq: is cups service stopped? |
| 05:58.46 | Skept | enouf: I have got two flags lines. Do you want me to paste them here? |
| 05:58.58 | enouf | Skept: sure, pastebin please |
| 05:59.19 | *** join/#debian Antharist (n=devel@unaffiliated/antharist) |
| 05:59.20 | enouf | (though two lines isn;t a big deal, whatever) |
| 05:59.24 | bonii | enouf: I dont think esd is running. The different programs are just pointing to the esd files?? |
| 05:59.36 | Skept | Whats a pastebin? |
| 05:59.37 | solid_liq | enouf: yeah |
| 05:59.38 | bonii | enouf: Should I uninstall esound?? |
| 05:59.41 | enouf | bonii: nope, man lsof |
| 05:59.47 | solid_liq | enouf: it's a chroot into it from a disc |
| 05:59.55 | enouf | bonii: shouldn't be necessary, though i never used it |
| 06:00.25 | enouf | solid_liq: what's the exact command and what's your goal? |
| 06:00.26 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-ceea2dfc9c847d93) |
| 06:00.31 | bonii | enouf: Do I check with another live cd if my laptop speakers are okay or not. It might be a hardware problem. |
| 06:00.44 | enouf | bonii: sure, good plan |
| 06:00.59 | *** join/#debian eusto (n=eusto@86.105.244.62) |
| 06:01.02 | enouf | bonii: that'll force a reboot too ;-) |
| 06:01.19 | *** join/#debian uthersde (n=uthersde@p54B8A541.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:01.32 | solid_liq | enouf: apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
| 06:01.38 | enouf | omg |
| 06:02.17 | solid_liq | enouf: I'm helping a friend via IM with his ubuntu 6.04.6.10 upgrade, and I don't know why it keeps bombing on the cupsys package |
| 06:02.46 | solid_liq | enouf: but he'd already started the process and wasn't able to get his nic working when he first IM'd me for help |
| 06:02.48 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@82.183.196.76) |
| 06:03.04 | enouf | solid_liq: do telinit 1 ..then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade - be sure your sources.list is correct prior - then do the dist-upgrade |
| 06:03.24 | solid_liq | enouf: it's a chroot from a rescue disc |
| 06:03.30 | enouf | solid_liq: /msg dpkg ubuntu |
| 06:03.30 | bonii | enouf: As phlux do I try creating a modprobe.conf file and check it up?? |
| 06:03.48 | enouf | solid_liq: i don't care if it's from the rosetta stone |
| 06:03.50 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=evan@wall.pacinfo.com) |
| 06:04.17 | enouf | bonii: all options are up to you- i can only give you some |
| 06:04.19 | solid_liq | enouf: already had him do the update && upgrade && dist-upgrade stuff several times |
| 06:04.41 | Daveman | uggh |
| 06:04.42 | bonii | enouf: Okay. |
| 06:05.06 | Skept | enouf: Ok, I got it. Here, http://paste.debian.net/37066 |
| 06:05.20 | enouf | Skept: one mom |
| 06:05.23 | enouf | moment |
| 06:06.00 | enouf | Skept: yep, 64bit capable |
| 06:06.28 | Skept | enouf: Can you recommend a documentation, where I can learn what those flags mean? |
| 06:06.41 | uthersde | hello how could i stop every 5 secounds errormessages in the /var/logs/cups/error_log ? |
| 06:07.16 | cahoot | fix the problem? |
| 06:07.37 | enouf | Skept: the lm and lahf_lm show 64bit ability, the vmx is true hardware virtualtization ablity, and pni == sse3 |
| 06:08.21 | Skept | enouf: One last question, how can I know if my ram is 667 mhz or something else? |
| 06:08.22 | enouf | Skept: wikipedia.org perhaps and maybe googling them, and the lkml maybe, oh, and try kernelnewbies.org |
| 06:08.36 | Skept | Okie dokie. Thanks a lot :D |
| 06:08.42 | enouf | Skept: dmidecode, lshw and hwinfo |
| 06:09.00 | *** join/#debian trebor_home (n=user@dslb-084-058-225-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 06:09.22 | Skept | Wow. Thanks |
| 06:09.46 | enouf | Skept: sure - note; AMD uses svm, in place of vmx |
| 06:09.49 | trebor_home | liable: i am back. i can connect to my ap now, if i switch of security. so madwifi seems to work. |
| 06:10.04 | trebor_home | liable: dhclient ath0 fails, however. |
| 06:10.37 | liable | trebor_home: theres quite a few people saying the same about dhcp |
| 06:10.43 | liable | trebor_home: does it work with wep? |
| 06:11.00 | liable | trebor_home: can you paste your supplicant conf file |
| 06:11.53 | Skept | enouf: Thanks again. Its 667 |
| 06:12.38 | enouf | Skept: fantabulous \o/ |
| 06:13.50 | trebor_home | liable: this is the output of dhcp ath0: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708#2. |
| 06:14.05 | trebor_home | liable: i will post the .conf file. |
| 06:14.31 | liable | trebor_home: you did get a lease |
| 06:14.45 | liable | oh, its eth1 |
| 06:14.51 | trebor_home | liable: reading the boot-messages i saw that there might be a problem with my password (containing ")") |
| 06:15.08 | trebor_home | liable: oh, did i paste the wrong output... |
| 06:15.14 | liable | trebor_home: i have all sorts of symbols in my psk |
| 06:15.26 | liable | trebor_home: no, i was looking at the wrong bit :) |
| 06:15.53 | *** join/#debian lea (n=lea@host187.200-82-49.telecom.net.ar) |
| 06:16.01 | liable | &tv$7wk*md(*&4grt7luu6dF^&56R665 <-- thats mine |
| 06:16.11 | *** part/#debian lea (n=lea@host187.200-82-49.telecom.net.ar) |
| 06:17.05 | liable | trebor_home: does it work when you set a static ip? |
| 06:17.09 | *** join/#debian Falkon (n=Falkon@c-71-207-214-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 06:17.44 | *** join/#debian Jaggz1 (n=Brandon@dsl081-044-035.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 06:19.26 | trebor_home | liable: /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf is http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708#3 then. |
| 06:20.01 | Jaggz1 | Hi debianians |
| 06:21.17 | liable | trebor_home: thats not the conf file |
| 06:21.31 | liable | thats the log |
| 06:21.34 | Daveman | hmm |
| 06:22.03 | *** join/#debian ricky (n=ricky@fedora/ricky) |
| 06:22.10 | chrisjw | hello ricka |
| 06:22.14 | Daveman | Yes :) |
| 06:22.58 | *** join/#debian tenzind (n=tenzin@moiclinux.moic.gov.bt) |
| 06:23.13 | Jaggz1 | How do Debian's updates work? If I install it on a server what happens 5 years from now? |
| 06:23.33 | Daveman | haha |
| 06:23.34 | Gm4n | Jaggz1: you use apt-get dist-upgrade ;) |
| 06:23.35 | liable | Jaggz1: you will need to upgrade to the next release |
| 06:23.36 | Jaggz1 | I'm looking for a new server alternative -- my first server was slackware, then a few redhat systems... |
| 06:23.58 | Daveman | ooh |
| 06:24.04 | *** join/#debian PietroGiovanni (n=asd@190.172.188.76) |
| 06:24.07 | *** join/#debian alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.160.192.58.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) |
| 06:24.10 | Gm4n | I highly recommend debian for servers =) |
| 06:24.13 | Daveman | Well, you've come tot he right place :) |
| 06:24.16 | Jaggz1 | it's that easy to update distributions??? |
| 06:24.27 | Gm4n | that it is, Jaggz1 |
| 06:24.27 | Daveman | jaggz, quite. |
| 06:24.39 | Gm4n | one line, and a reboot is often all it takes |
| 06:24.44 | liable | Jaggz1: there is some risk involved of course, but yeah, its generally pretty easy |
| 06:25.00 | Jaggz1 | I always was stuck at one distribution I thought, unless I fully re-installed the system |
| 06:25.13 | Jaggz1 | of course, now I have "checkinstall" so I don't make as much of a mess as I used to either |
| 06:25.16 | Daveman | oi |
| 06:25.21 | CompWizrd | i've upgraded one of my servers smoothly ever since slink, and that was ... many years ago |
| 06:25.38 | *** join/#debian Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) |
| 06:25.45 | dalias | slackware is crap unless you juse use it as a base for compiling stuff yourself |
| 06:25.55 | *** join/#debian jack_wyt_ (n=jack@123.115.244.152) |
| 06:25.55 | dalias | and even then you eventually run into trouble with the base sucking |
| 06:26.00 | Jaggz1 | well, I'm going to be customizing the server.. I might stick with apache for now since I'm replacing an existing server and it'll make it a smooth transition |
| 06:26.05 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@U10b1.u.pppool.de) |
| 06:26.20 | Jaggz1 | but in the future I'm willing to consider to think about possibly using lighttpd or something :) |
| 06:26.37 | Jaggz1 | oh.. my slackware system was.. 13 years ago |
| 06:26.56 | dalias | (dont get me wrong, i like slack. it's where i learned everythign years ago. but all the packages are built poorly or just plain wrong and it's full of bad default config |
| 06:27.12 | Daveman | :P |
| 06:27.30 | Jaggz1 | no, I went to redhat |
| 06:27.33 | Daveman | :P |
| 06:27.35 | Jaggz1 | then I got upset that redhat became so commercial |
| 06:27.37 | dalias | redhat is just...... |
| 06:27.40 | dalias | uhg nasty |
| 06:27.40 | Daveman | yeah |
| 06:27.43 | Daveman | deadrat |
| 06:27.54 | dalias | its like the windows of linux |
| 06:28.03 | Jaggz1 | I mean.. whatever works for them.. but that's why I wanted to go to debian later on .. I tried it on my personal system |
| 06:28.04 | Daveman | dalias, I'll always <3 my shrike install, forever |
| 06:28.12 | Daveman | I mutilated it so badly :D |
| 06:28.16 | Daveman | back in the day |
| 06:28.19 | Daveman | still running, too :p |
| 06:28.23 | dalias | :P |
| 06:28.24 | Jaggz1 | actually it didn't work on my laptop.. I didn't know about the wireless network patches I'd need for it, so I used ubuntu |
| 06:28.25 | *** join/#debian behanw (n=behanw@d38-64-94.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 06:28.25 | Daveman | I turned it into a source-based distro |
| 06:28.28 | trebor_home | liable: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708#5 is wpa_supplicant.conf, #4 is /var/log/messages |
| 06:28.32 | Jaggz1 | dunno how well this channel takes mention of such things |
| 06:28.54 | dalias | i dont have too much against ubuntu |
| 06:28.54 | Daveman | hehe |
| 06:29.04 | Jaggz1 | but I do understand and believe in the core/heart of projects.. ubuntu seems to have a good attitude for humans. |
| 06:29.05 | Daveman | it's the women's debian |
| 06:29.09 | Jaggz1 | lol |
| 06:29.11 | Daveman | end quote |
| 06:29.18 | SpeedyG | lol |
| 06:29.22 | SpeedyG | g'morning :) |
| 06:29.24 | Daveman | ;) |
| 06:29.27 | Daveman | GOOD MORNING |
| 06:29.32 | Daveman | AND WELCOME TO #UBUNTU |
| 06:29.46 | Jaggz1 | so I'm actually going to be putting this on a Dell server.. big step for us to get an actual server |
| 06:29.46 | Gm4n | whoa, I'm in the wrong channel |
| 06:29.47 | Daveman | Today's topic: Baking in the kitchen |
| 06:29.52 | SpeedyG | haha :) |
| 06:29.54 | *** part/#debian Gm4n (n=Gm4n@unaffiliated/gm4n) |
| 06:29.59 | Jaggz1 | Dave, sounds like my old laptop |
| 06:30.04 | *** join/#debian Gm4n (n=Gm4n@unaffiliated/gm4n) |
| 06:30.04 | *** part/#debian Gm4n (n=Gm4n@unaffiliated/gm4n) |
| 06:30.17 | Daveman | ;) |
| 06:30.19 | Daveman | haha |
| 06:30.22 | *** join/#debian Gm4n (n=Gm4n@unaffiliated/gm4n) |
| 06:30.26 | Daveman | or a friend of mine's old powerbook |
| 06:30.29 | Daveman | melting into the carpet :p |
| 06:30.31 | Jaggz1 | okay.. well I might try Debian.. ubuntu offers some nice server packaging .. but it includes LAMP stuff.. and I might just go with postgresql |
| 06:30.47 | SpeedyG | server packaging? |
| 06:30.50 | dalias | umm if you need database.. |
| 06:30.57 | Daveman | jaggz, fortunately, those are independent of the operating system |
| 06:30.58 | dalias | unless you're ebay or amazon, use sqlite |
| 06:31.03 | Daveman | heh |
| 06:31.16 | Daveman | meh, there's nothing wrong with pg |
| 06:31.16 | dalias | sql servers are just stupid bloat |
| 06:31.20 | Daveman | hahaha |
| 06:31.26 | Jaggz1 | speedy, I mean.. packaging of debian.. they throw in some recent patches into the kernel, arrange the packages, etc. They have a Server edition for those who are setting up servers |
| 06:31.26 | Daveman | and redhat? :P |
| 06:31.40 | Daveman | IT NOW COMES ON THREE DVDS! |
| 06:31.44 | liable | trebor_home: looks ok to me, try adding scan_ssid=1 to that also your new key doesnt have "" around it |
| 06:31.48 | Daveman | CAN YOU HANDLE IT? |
| 06:31.48 | SpeedyG | Jaggz1: oh.. debian works for me as server :) |
| 06:31.51 | Jaggz1 | one thing I'm going to need, which I'm not used to, is alarms for the raid array and other system things |
| 06:32.11 | liable | trebor_home: does the connection work with it open, if you set a static ip? |
| 06:32.21 | Jaggz1 | Speedy, I'm feeling more and more secure in picking it.. although I am also going to see if Suse boots up on the system |
| 06:32.55 | SpeedyG | hm, SuSe was kinda nice as desktop-OS from a live-disk |
| 06:32.59 | Jaggz1 | Novell seemed like a pretty sound company -- we used to use their file server way back in 94 all the way up until 99 I think |
| 06:33.02 | SpeedyG | but for a server, i'd still pick debian :) |
| 06:33.09 | Daveman | \o/ |
| 06:33.18 | Daveman | Jaggz, yeah :p |
| 06:33.21 | Daveman | too bad they failed |
| 06:33.27 | Daveman | in the marketplace :\ |
| 06:33.29 | *** part/#debian uthersde (n=uthersde@p54B8A541.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:33.35 | trebor_home | liable: how do i set a static ip? |
| 06:34.08 | *** join/#debian PietroGiovanni (n=asd@190.172.188.76) |
| 06:34.21 | Jaggz1 | Speedy, I thought Suse is used by a lot of people for servers though -- Dell uses RedHat, SuSe, and recently added Ubuntu upon request (but not Ubuntu server), and they try to be open about the others (allowing discussions etc) .. seemingly to express their openness aside from just the importance of the consumer impression and marketshare |
| 06:34.45 | *** join/#debian deisys (i=deisys@147.46.239.103) |
| 06:34.47 | liable | trebor_home: ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig ath0 192.168.2.5 up; route add -net default gw 192.168.2.1 dev ath0 |
| 06:35.03 | liable | trebor_home: after its associated in iwconfig |
| 06:35.22 | Jaggz1 | Dalias, hmm.. I think we need it to be a server. Personally I am very NOT fond of table-oriented data structures. I much prefer a heiarchial structure as I think it's much more natural and beautiful and comfortable |
| 06:35.34 | liable | trebor_home: i just noticed, you have a lot of nwid errors |
| 06:35.58 | trebor_home | liable: i put the line into .conf, you mean, that i have to delete the "s? |
| 06:36.00 | SpeedyG | Jaggz1: can't really tell much about what's being used much.. all I know is that one of my friends introduced debian to me, since he runs it on his servers which are being used in a production environment |
| 06:36.02 | Jaggz1 | trebor, and if you get it working, you might want to set that up in your startup scripts. There are utilities for this out nowadays I'd imagine -- but I'm much in favor of hand-editing the things |
| 06:36.12 | liable | trebor_home: no, you need them |
| 06:36.31 | Jaggz1 | Daveman, probably because noone knows how to pronounce their name |
| 06:36.34 | Jaggz1 | (Suse) |
| 06:36.40 | Daveman | :D |
| 06:36.45 | Jaggz1 | seriously |
| 06:36.48 | Jaggz1 | it makes me uncomfortable |
| 06:36.51 | Daveman | haha |
| 06:36.57 | Daveman | Doesn't it? :D |
| 06:37.00 | SpeedyG | thats because its german ;) |
| 06:37.03 | Jaggz1 | by the way, regarding DBs -- I've been using straight BerkeleyDB for many many years |
| 06:37.05 | Daveman | uh huh |
| 06:37.07 | trebor_home | liable: what do you mean with "after its associated in iwconfig"? |
| 06:37.20 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@85.72.90.226) |
| 06:37.30 | Agiofws | hello |
| 06:37.36 | Jaggz1 | but there are problems with using it in a web-server environment -- namely, if a program crashes or the server's shut down and an app is killed that is using it, it can corrupt the DB |
| 06:37.38 | *** join/#debian Skept (n=melancho@58.68.78.10) |
| 06:37.39 | liable | trebor_home: when iwconfig shows it as associated, after you set the essid |
| 06:37.42 | Jaggz1 | supposedly even with transactions this happens |
| 06:38.52 | Agiofws | i downloaded debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso ; did cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd -nofix -data -v speed=10 debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso ; but the cd won't boot ; have i done something wrong ? |
| 06:39.11 | trebor_home | liable: i pasted your commands to the shell. |
| 06:39.16 | *** join/#debian kalalostar (n=lalo@189.175.206.18) |
| 06:39.32 | liable | trebor_home: and? |
| 06:39.34 | Jaggz1 | is speed=10 okay for your burner, Agio?? |
| 06:39.46 | Daveman | ah, now to install flux :D |
| 06:39.55 | Daveman | I wonder if I can get this bitch setup by morning |
| 06:39.59 | *** join/#debian BluX (n=BluX@puffy.blump.net) |
| 06:40.21 | Agiofws | Jaggz1, the cd won;t boot , but i did mount it |
| 06:40.23 | Jaggz1 | dave: http://www.mediamachines.com/ <-- that? |
| 06:40.34 | Daveman | ? |
| 06:40.44 | Jaggz1 | agio, I see.. is it a bootable cd .iso image? |
| 06:40.47 | phlux | Jaggz1, How is SuSe pronounced? |
| 06:40.49 | Daveman | haha no |
| 06:40.51 | Daveman | fluxbox |
| 06:41.02 | Daveman | it's an awesome wm :p |
| 06:41.04 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@145.253.117.242) |
| 06:41.06 | Jaggz1 | phlux, dunno yet |
| 06:41.25 | kalalostar | hi all |
| 06:41.31 | liable | trebor_home: also, you are getting a lot of nwid errors, try setting your ap to channel 6 |
| 06:41.39 | phlux | http://suseroot.com/about-suse-linux/how-do-you-pronounce-suse.php |
| 06:41.42 | phlux | there :P |
| 06:41.47 | Daveman | :p |
| 06:41.50 | Daveman | haha gawd |
| 06:41.56 | Agiofws | Jaggz1, i assume it was off debians site , whatthe puropose of a non bootable debian iso image ? |
| 06:42.08 | kalalostar | i'm on a hp laptop, and i was wondering if anyone can help me to change my display to an external monitor through vga socket |
| 06:42.24 | Jaggz1 | I knew there'd be a page on it |
| 06:42.25 | trebor_home | liable: after pasting your cmads: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708#6. |
| 06:42.53 | kalalostar | the FN + F4 combo key, wont work |
| 06:43.11 | liable | trebor_home: good, it works then |
| 06:43.34 | Jaggz1 | I don't like this page |
| 06:43.37 | liable | trebor_home: oh, actually, make sure eth1 is down |
| 06:43.41 | Jaggz1 | a good page would have an audio recording |
| 06:43.52 | Jaggz1 | I remember Mr. Torvald's .au file with his pronunciation |
| 06:43.54 | *** join/#debian d-media (i=d-media@74-133-66-204.dhcp.insightbb.com) |
| 06:44.04 | Jaggz1 | "Hello, my name is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux, 'Linux'." |
| 06:44.09 | d-media | any one here got webhosting through there college? |
| 06:44.18 | rvalles | Jaggz1: heard it too |
| 06:44.30 | ameyer | any distro that has a deal with microsoft rhymes with wrap... |
| 06:44.49 | Jaggz1 | No matter how closely I listened, it still could have been either "lee-nux" or "lih-nux", and likewise with "nux" or "noox" ... so it was almost a useless recording. |
| 06:44.58 | trebor_home | liable: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708#7 is the last dhclient ath0. |
| 06:45.02 | ameyer | Linspire, twice as much |
| 06:45.04 | rvalles | Jaggz1: rumor says there's some FSF-edited version which says "I pronounce Linux, 'GPL version three'." |
| 06:45.13 | liable | trebor_home: you dont need to run dhclient |
| 06:45.17 | Jaggz1 | Unix is a Linux-like operating system? |
| 06:45.27 | liable | trebor_home: i just want to see if it works with a static ip |
| 06:45.33 | ameyer | Jaggz1: backwards |
| 06:45.43 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@159.Red-83-44-77.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 06:45.48 | kalalostar | ahm.. is this a support channel? |
| 06:45.49 | rvalles | Jaggz1: they should put that sound during startup on most distros |
| 06:45.50 | Jaggz1 | no no.. 'tis a joke |
| 06:45.56 | rvalles | so that people learn how to pronounce it |
| 06:45.59 | trebor_home | liable: so i do ifconfig eth1 down, and what next? |
| 06:46.06 | *** join/#debian PhilKC (i=PhilKC@freenode/staff/philkc) |
| 06:46.25 | liable | trebor_home: make sure ath0 is the only up interface, then try and ping the ap or google or whatever |
| 06:46.25 | Jaggz1 | rvalles, might as well.. the guy's name is all over.. sometimes I think about it and I think it strange. |
| 06:46.30 | Jaggz1 | but I guess it's just one planet. |
| 06:46.42 | kalalostar | guys? |
| 06:46.46 | Jaggz1 | kala |
| 06:46.46 | trebor_home | liable: ok, trying. |
| 06:47.16 | kalalostar | Jaggz1: what's up? |
| 06:47.40 | liable | yes its a support channel |
| 06:48.00 | *** join/#debian phrozen77_ (n=phrozen7@unaffiliated/phrozen77) |
| 06:48.07 | kalalostar | Jaggz1: ok.. thanks |
| 06:48.43 | kalalostar | Jaggz1: i would like to change my display to an external monitor through vga socket, on a hp laptop |
| 06:48.57 | *** join/#debian svalvolo (n=lol@81-208-106-72.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 06:49.03 | kalalostar | Jaggz1: the fn + F4 combo key wont work |
| 06:49.31 | Jaggz1 | kala, look online for tools. My thinkpad didn't have those tools built in 2.5 years ago and I didn't know about dist-upgrade .. but thankfully IBM's SVGA output was automagically on |
| 06:49.50 | Jaggz1 | other people probably have your same issue -- I don't have an HP laptop though |
| 06:50.04 | dalias | jaggz1, server or no server has nothing to do with the format of your database |
| 06:50.47 | dalias | server is just a stupid implementation unless you need to move it to a separate machine to handle HUGE databases |
| 06:51.36 | dalias | sqlite is a standard sql database, just implemented in a way that it doesn't require a separate server process |
| 06:51.44 | Jaggz1 | actually we need to handle a lot of concurrent access |
| 06:51.46 | dalias | (which almost always breaks the unix permissions model) |
| 06:51.53 | dalias | concurrent access is fine |
| 06:52.00 | PietroGiovanni | what's the library used for flash sound in alsa? |
| 06:52.02 | hark | ha |
| 06:52.21 | dalias | that's what fine-grained locking is for |
| 06:52.33 | tarzeau | jelly-home: do you know how it works? |
| 06:52.35 | Jaggz1 | I'm a bit worried about the overhead of opening/closing the SQLite DB each hit.. |
| 06:52.49 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i rather heard of http://www.minifonts.com/fontdesign.html |
| 06:52.54 | dalias | the overhead is much lower than connecting to mysql |
| 06:52.58 | dondelelcaro | sqlite still has issues with writer starvation |
| 06:53.01 | Daveman | omg |
| 06:53.01 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i already can make a bitmapped ttf: linuks.mine.nu/atari/ |
| 06:53.21 | dondelelcaro | the question is whether most of your threads are just reading hte information, or if they also have to get write locks to the database |
| 06:53.25 | dalias | connecting to an sql server requires several context switches |
| 06:53.26 | Jaggz1 | we're doing about 30 hits per second right now, which will translate into a ton of different tables, and hundreds to thousands of transactions per second |
| 06:53.27 | trebor_home | liable: as far as i see, it does not work. http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708#8. |
| 06:53.42 | Jaggz1 | what's writer starvation? |
| 06:53.45 | trebor_home | liable: i did the ping after pasting your commands. |
| 06:54.19 | trebor_home | liable: i did a ping, but then i decided to plug off eth1 cable -> no ping anymore. |
| 06:54.22 | Jaggz1 | I've considered sqlite for years.. I've even considered adding it to my DB server (but i think my db server is a wasted project.. see http://voydb.sourceforge.net/) |
| 06:54.37 | trebor_home | liable: dhclient ath0 does not work, dhclient eth1 works. |
| 06:55.03 | liable | trebor_home: but was eth1 down when you did it? |
| 06:55.21 | trebor_home | i did your commands with eth1 instead of eth0. |
| 06:55.22 | Jaggz1 | I think we'll need a running DB server eventually anyway -- because I think we might need to expand to more than one machine |
| 06:55.45 | Jaggz1 | you don't think postgresql is more advanced (with its own locking and stored procedures and other features) than sqlite? |
| 06:55.56 | dalias | jaggz1, nfs? :P |
| 06:55.58 | Jaggz1 | I'm not fighting -- sincerely trying to make a good decision here, before I make a mistake |
| 06:56.02 | dondelelcaro | Jaggz1: you should just write whatever you're writing so that it's capable of working with either sqlite or postgresql. |
| 06:56.03 | liable | trebor_home: you have eth0 in that paste |
| 06:56.19 | Jaggz1 | dondel, that's not bad |
| 06:56.21 | dondelelcaro | Jaggz1: then you can switch between the two depending on the size of the installation that you're doing and how many users you have. |
| 06:56.21 | Jaggz1 | it's all in C |
| 06:56.22 | liable | trebor_home: you need to look at the output of ifconfig and make sure they are all down... |
| 06:56.29 | dalias | jaggz1, i would look for benchmarks and reviews on the pros and cons of these particular _implementations_ |
| 06:56.38 | dalias | i'm not by any means an expert on them |
| 06:56.49 | trebor_home | liable: i did ifconfig eth1 down; ifconfig ath0 192.168.2.5 up; route add -net default gw 192.168.2.1 dev ath0 |
| 06:57.19 | liable | trebor_home: check ifconfig output and route output after that command, paste it |
| 06:57.21 | dalias | but assuming ideal implementations, sqlite-style is a much smarter approach than dbserver-style (mysql, postgresql, etc) |
| 06:57.21 | trebor_home | liable: ok this time i will do ifconfig afterwards. |
| 06:57.29 | dondelelcaro | you'll befar better off benchmarking sqlite and postgresql in your actual application than paying much attention to someone elses benchmarks. |
| 06:57.32 | Jaggz1 | I wish I could use xquery |
| 06:57.40 | dondelelcaro | dalias: it's good for specific implementations, but not others. |
| 06:57.42 | Jaggz1 | and something like BerkeleyXML DB |
| 06:57.55 | Jaggz1 | I so like heiarchial (sp) data structures |
| 06:58.01 | *** join/#debian SlimG2 (n=slimg@230.85-200-153.bkkb.no) |
| 06:58.06 | Jaggz1 | maybe I should do it :) |
| 06:58.31 | Jaggz1 | if I'm going to be using a local DB instead of a server I can do it.. as long as it doesn't corrupt itself if the app dies |
| 06:59.04 | Jaggz1 | I don't, consequently, care for the XML part -- just the tree-like nature of the storage |
| 06:59.07 | SlimG2 | How do I setup the timezone and syncronize the clock with a online timeserver from cli with debian etch? |
| 06:59.14 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 06:59.14 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 06:59.16 | Jaggz1 | BerkeleyDB doesn't store the XML stuff internally anyway I think |
| 06:59.42 | SlimG2 | dondelelcaro: Thank you |
| 06:59.46 | Jaggz1 | oh yeah, back to dl'ing a debian iso to try on my server, yay |
| 06:59.47 | Jaggz1 | ! |
| 06:59.51 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 06:59.59 | Jaggz1 | conversing with you is nice, btw. |
| 07:00.19 | Agiofws | hey would this makk the cd bootable ? |
| 07:00.21 | Agiofws | $cdrecord dev=/dev/hdd -data -v speed=10 /mnt/2disk/debian-40r1-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 07:00.26 | PietroGiovanni | can anyone help me with snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device? |
| 07:00.57 | dalias | btw |
| 07:01.02 | Jaggz1 | Angio, I'm pretty sure if it's bootable it's bootable -- make sure your bios is set to boot the CD before the HD |
| 07:01.08 | Jaggz1 | dalias, by the way.. |
| 07:01.11 | dalias | is there anyway to override the timezone for fat mounts? |
| 07:01.22 | Jaggz1 | interesting question |
| 07:01.30 | dalias | by default the kernel somehow magically learns the timezone |
| 07:01.30 | Jaggz1 | gotta go.. gonna restart chat client |
| 07:01.35 | dalias | i think hwclock tells it |
| 07:01.52 | Jaggz1 | and adjusts filetimes?? |
| 07:01.53 | dalias | and then it applies that timezone to all fat-like filesystems |
| 07:02.01 | dalias | well unix time is utc |
| 07:02.14 | trebor_home | liable: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47708#9. ... |
| 07:02.15 | dalias | and dos/win stores time in local time |
| 07:02.18 | Jaggz1 | ohhh |
| 07:02.20 | Jaggz1 | interesting |
| 07:02.25 | Jaggz1 | good luck.. I have no clue about that one |
| 07:02.28 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=bryant@unaffiliated/maddash) |
| 07:02.28 | dalias | however i hate this behavior |
| 07:02.34 | Jaggz1 | nod.. but brb |
| 07:02.35 | *** part/#debian Jaggz1 (n=Brandon@dsl081-044-035.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 07:02.52 | dondelelcaro | AFAIK no one has bothered to add that functionality |
| 07:02.56 | dalias | the only fat devices i use are digital camera and use mem sticks, and i always store utc on them |
| 07:03.00 | *** join/#debian Tommy (n=Tommy@d58-104-227-225.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:03.08 | dalias | so i have to configure my system for TZ=UTC |
| 07:03.19 | dondelelcaro | frankly, storing things with non-UTC timestamps is broken |
| 07:03.21 | dalias | and then manually set my TZ on login in my .bash_profile |
| 07:03.25 | dalias | agree |
| 07:03.37 | dalias | timezone should NEVER be applied behind the user's back like that |
| 07:03.49 | dalias | if you need tz translation for fat filesystems, it shold be a mount option |
| 07:03.54 | *** join/#debian _go__ (n=_go@ntkngw133237.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) |
| 07:04.10 | dalias | i once had the timestamps on a bunch of digital camera pictures badly messed up by that |
| 07:04.12 | dondelelcaro | well, I think it shouldn't translate at all. |
| 07:04.17 | Tommy | hello, i just installed new updates for my freespire (debian) but now the computer freezes a lot. How can i automatically uninstall all the updates ive done in the last few weeks? |
| 07:04.25 | dalias | and had to figure out which ones were messed up and which ones weren't |
| 07:04.34 | dalias | then write a program to fix the ones that were |
| 07:04.41 | dondelelcaro | I've no clue if the vfat driver actually does or not; would have expected not. |
| 07:04.50 | dalias | it does |
| 07:04.59 | dalias | i rtfs'd a few years ago |
| 07:05.31 | dalias | maybe i should file a bug report |
| 07:05.57 | trebor_home | liable: it did not work (#9). |
| 07:06.04 | liable | trebor_home: eth1 is still up for some reason. also try giving ath0 192.168.2.105 address. i gotta go. you need to make sure *all* the interfaces but ath0 are down. |
| 07:06.13 | dalias | but yeah, i pretty much have to use utc on my camera because i use it in many different timezones |
| 07:06.35 | dalias | storing local time on it would sometimes even misorder pictures |
| 07:06.41 | trebor_home | liable: how do i put them down besides doing ifconfig ethX down? |
| 07:06.46 | SpeedyG | dalias: i've got a cam in which I can set the additional (away from home) timezone :D |
| 07:06.53 | dondelelcaro | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/3/19/95 or similar is probably what you're looking for. |
| 07:06.55 | dalias | (and wtf is the local time anyway if you're on a plane taking pics out the windows? :P |
| 07:07.09 | dondelelcaro | dalias: surely you use the EXIF information to order the pictures? |
| 07:07.32 | dalias | dondelelcaro, normally i just order by filenames |
| 07:07.38 | liable | trebor_home: that should do it. ifconfig eth1 down |
| 07:07.42 | dalias | but i like to be able to look for files by date with ls -l |
| 07:07.48 | liable | trebor_home: try it by itself |
| 07:07.53 | dalias | and not have to use some special exif-aware photo browser to find things |
| 07:08.08 | dalias | i did discover the exif-embedded timestamps tho :) |
| 07:08.12 | jelly-home | tarzeau: not really, I've just played with it a few times. It uses potrace or autotrace to create initial outline from bitmaps |
| 07:08.17 | *** join/#debian Jaggz1 (n=Brandon@dsl081-044-035.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 07:08.21 | dondelelcaro | well, image:;info makes accessing them trivial. |
| 07:08.24 | dalias | which i could use to repair any bogus timestamp translation in the future, if it ever happens again |
| 07:08.59 | Jaggz1 | have you tried setting the timezone before running the mount command? |
| 07:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 777] by debhelper |
| 07:09.04 | *** join/#debian slipry (n=slipry@128.210-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 07:09.19 | Jaggz1 | and have you looked into the fs's mount options? (sorry to ask) |
| 07:09.22 | Jaggz1 | and... |
| 07:09.25 | Jaggz1 | ...is it plugged in? |
| 07:09.29 | *** join/#debian strongarm (n=slipry@128.210-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 07:10.00 | dalias | jaggz1, it's not passed by mount |
| 07:10.11 | dalias | it's a kernel global variable, unless they changed it in newer kernels |
| 07:10.15 | *** part/#debian Tommy (n=Tommy@d58-104-227-225.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 07:10.21 | dalias | and apparently hwclock sets this global somehow |
| 07:12.48 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 07:12.53 | *** join/#debian D0eB0y (i=Doeboy@128.97.52.100) |
| 07:12.55 | Supaplex | libc6-xen: Conflicts: libc6-i686, will a non xen kernel work ok with libc6-xen? (eg, if I need to revert w/o xen for some reason) |
| 07:13.09 | *** join/#debian blank_ (n=blank@19-100.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 07:13.20 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy (n=wurscht@p54A7D67A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:14.30 | Wyzard | Supaplex: I believe so |
| 07:14.35 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (n=john@host86-151-97-52.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 07:14.50 | Wyzard | Supaplex: The -xen variant just has some optimizations disabled (related to thread-local storage, I think) which don't work with Xen |
| 07:15.20 | Supaplex | ah. ok |
| 07:15.40 | liable | trebor_home: bbiab, good luck |
| 07:16.36 | *** join/#debian techbie (n=atul@87.18.73.148) |
| 07:16.52 | *** join/#debian fwd (i=fwd@port-79-adslby-pool38.infonet.by) |
| 07:16.55 | Wyzard | Supaplex: and the regular libc6 will work on Xen, with the caveat that some programs will perform poorly |
| 07:17.03 | *** join/#debian Ashareth (n=Ashareth@AMontsouris-156-1-42-228.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:17.25 | Supaplex | ahh, that's tollerable. http://rafb.net/p/nM8XCB44.html I was afraid something disasterous was in the midst. |
| 07:17.34 | Wyzard | Supaplex: (I think it involves warnings being written to syslog and the program seeming to hang for a second or two, or something like that) |
| 07:17.51 | *** join/#debian trebor_home (n=user@dslb-084-058-225-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:17.53 | Dewi | dpkg always seems to know whether I've changed configuration files from the original versions |
| 07:17.56 | Dewi | how does it know? |
| 07:18.08 | Dewi | can I get at the old package-defaults somehow? |
| 07:18.21 | Dewi | the diff I am presented with of "mine" versus "new" is nowhere near as useful as if I had all 3 |
| 07:18.26 | Wyzard | Dewi: I think it keeps md5sums of the originals |
| 07:19.04 | Wyzard | Dewi: It doesn't keep a backup copy of the actual original conffile... to restore that, you have to reinstall the .deb with --force-confmiss |
| 07:20.04 | Jaggz1 | I'm sorry to bother you about this -- I can't get jigdo-lite to work. The examples say "jigdo-lite file.jigdo" or "url_to_file.jigdo" .. but I downloaded the debian DVD .jigdo and .templates and it won't accept them |
| 07:20.09 | Dewi | Wyzard: unfortunate |
| 07:20.18 | Dewi | Wyzard: because usually all I'm interested in is whatever changes *I* made |
| 07:20.25 | Jaggz1 | it wants a command, like "make-image (mi)" |
| 07:20.29 | Dewi | Wyzard: and that's the one thing I can't access |
| 07:20.53 | Dewi | Wyzard: without manually interpreting each and every change the package maintainer made between old and new |
| 07:20.59 | Jaggz1 | oh, I found it.. I was running jigdo-file .. sorry *blush* |
| 07:21.19 | Dewi | Wyzard: obviously were I 100% organised I would naturally have documentation of each and every change I ever made :) |
| 07:21.33 | Dewi | Wyzard: but I haven't acheived enlightenment yet |
| 07:22.11 | Wyzard | Dewi: Some people use a revision-control system (like subversion or whatever) on their /etc |
| 07:22.16 | Wyzard | I've never bothered with that though |
| 07:22.34 | Dewi | Wyzard: I've done that. it was a massive pain |
| 07:23.02 | Dewi | Wyzard: /etc isn't the pure place of system settings I thought it was |
| 07:23.08 | Dewi | Wyzard: also a lot of stuff goes on in /var |
| 07:23.34 | Wyzard | Dewi: There shouldn't be config files in /var... |
| 07:23.56 | Rat409 | why not debian-package-search>download>unpack,look st control/sata files? for a single app |
| 07:23.57 | Dewi | Wyzard: things like package selections are all in /var |
| 07:24.02 | *** join/#debian smica (n=smica@213.253.222.179) |
| 07:24.10 | Rat409 | sorry control/data |
| 07:24.11 | Wyzard | yeah, that's a little different |
| 07:24.36 | Dewi | Wyzard: but anyway I'm more talking about all the binary files in /etc, the files the system changes... |
| 07:24.43 | Dewi | Wyzard: it's a pain to version control |
| 07:25.00 | Rat409 | ohh |
| 07:25.10 | Dewi | but what I'm thinking is |
| 07:25.14 | Dewi | if dpkg has all those checksums |
| 07:25.27 | Dewi | I wonder if there's a way to ask it "tell me all configurations I've changed, everywhere" |
| 07:25.56 | Jaggz1 | that'd be cool |
| 07:26.00 | Jaggz1 | if it doesn't have that it should |
| 07:26.05 | Dewi | also, is the "package maintainer" version available right up until I uninstall/upgrade the package? |
| 07:26.46 | Dewi | keeps a lot more than, say, rpm |
| 07:27.01 | Dewi | but I just feel like |
| 07:27.06 | cydork | Dewi: check debsums |
| 07:27.18 | Dewi | the packages have the old package defaults, the new one has the new defaults, my file is in /etc... |
| 07:27.28 | Dewi | that's enough to make a udiff of all my system specialities |
| 07:27.40 | Dewi | now that would be worth version controlling |
| 07:27.42 | Dewi | that udiff |
| 07:28.07 | Dewi | but by the time we get the new package-defaults the old ones might be gone. I dunno. |
| 07:28.44 | *** join/#debian laurly (n=test@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 07:28.57 | *** join/#debian capiira (n=capiira@dslb-088-065-198-068.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:29.10 | *** join/#debian p0g0_ (n=pogo@madwifi/support/p0g0) |
| 07:29.25 | cydork | Dewi: debsums can tell you if you have changed any conffiles. |
| 07:29.38 | *** join/#debian \\homer (n=homer@fw.pmsag.com) |
| 07:29.55 | *** join/#debian TheDreamer (n=youri@root.dyndns.org) |
| 07:29.56 | Dewi | cydork: yeah okay... I'll check that out |
| 07:30.08 | *** join/#debian Odo (n=odo@host107-159-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:30.14 | Dewi | cydork: looks promising |
| 07:30.34 | *** join/#debian visik7 (n=dksakd@unaffiliated/visik7) |
| 07:30.36 | *** part/#debian Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) |
| 07:30.59 | Dewi | but can anyone tell me if "package-maintainer" config files are actually kept anywhere that isn't destroyed by 'aptitude clean' ? |
| 07:31.18 | *** join/#debian nOp (n=xxxx@bas33-1-82-66-7-9.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 07:31.36 | cydork | Dewi: no. they are not. |
| 07:32.16 | cydork | Dewi: only md5sums of all the files in a package is stored. |
| 07:32.17 | Supaplex | I have a xen kernel in /boot, but update-grub didn't pick it up. uh, what'd I miss? |
| 07:32.38 | Dewi | cydork: so how does dpkg decide which files to prompt me about changing? just whether they are in /etc ? |
| 07:32.46 | *** part/#debian Odo (n=odo@host107-159-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:32.49 | Dewi | cydork: or is there a flag on certain specific files in each package? |
| 07:33.19 | *** join/#debian Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable138.202-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 07:33.25 | Thurin1 | How do I install the non-free Java? |
| 07:33.42 | cydork | Dewi: as i said md5sums of each file in a package is stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.md5sum |
| 07:33.43 | *** join/#debian owdondek (n=owdondek@121.140.248.119) |
| 07:33.47 | Dewi | Thurin1: in etch they are packaged |
| 07:33.49 | Thurin1 | I added the non-free sources but can't seem to, in synaptic at least, find it.. |
| 07:33.50 | Dewi | Thurin1: sun-* |
| 07:34.05 | gustavo | im trying to connect to a nfs server but it says i dont have permission |
| 07:34.09 | Thurin1 | so... apt-get install sun-java? |
| 07:34.26 | Thurin1 | Maybe.. there is a link? :) |
| 07:34.28 | Thurin1 | on how to.. |
| 07:34.30 | cydork | !tell Thurin1 -about search |
| 07:34.43 | Dewi | Thurin1: search for sun |
| 07:36.01 | Thurin1 | Ok I did.. the most I got was 'sunclock' no sun Java in apt-cache search - term |
| 07:36.03 | *** join/#debian cpilka (n=cpilka@brsg-d9bec9b2.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 07:36.05 | Dewi | cydork: oh. I was asking how it tells which ones are configuration files. But I guess I'm never changing the binaries, so of course it's never prompting for those |
| 07:36.09 | *** join/#debian Spot2934 (n=Spot@Primus.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 07:36.29 | Dewi | Thurin1: are you running etch with sources for main, contrib, and non-free ? |
| 07:36.45 | Thurin1 | I am running etch, as for sources.. ermm |
| 07:37.09 | Thurin1 | I have these - deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 07:37.09 | Thurin1 | # deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ stable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 07:37.18 | cydork | Dewi: check the man page for debsums. it *does* check for conf files. |
| 07:37.23 | Dewi | Thurin1: have you done an update? |
| 07:37.37 | Thurin1 | Yes, yes I have |
| 07:37.39 | Thurin1 | :( |
| 07:37.41 | hark | Thurin1: those are deb-src |
| 07:38.06 | *** join/#debian deisys (i=deisys@147.46.239.103) |
| 07:38.08 | cpilka | hi folks. i have installed some .deb's using 'dpkg -i --force-depends foo.deb'. now every time i run aptitude or apt-get the system notifies me about the unmet dependencies. is there any way to disable this for the 4-5 packages i installed this way? any blacklist or something like that? |
| 07:38.36 | Dewi | cpilka: why not fix them? |
| 07:38.55 | Thurin1 | hark - Oh |
| 07:39.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 786] by debhelper |
| 07:39.03 | cpilka | Dewi: you mean rebuild the deb's? |
| 07:39.07 | Thurin1 | so I change it to 'bin'? |
| 07:39.10 | Dewi | cpilka: no, meet the dependancies |
| 07:39.15 | Dewi | Thurin1: ... no |
| 07:39.32 | *** join/#debian LordLamer (n=lordlame@venus.universe.linuxdelta.de) |
| 07:39.33 | hark | Thurin1: no, "deb" /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 07:39.33 | Thurin1 | is there a list for Etch 'sources' |
| 07:39.38 | gustavo | damn! |
| 07:39.39 | Thurin1 | ok |
| 07:40.18 | Dewi | Thurin1: but remember the bot only talks about main, you might need contrib and/or non-free, I can't remember where sun java is |
| 07:40.26 | Thurin1 | ok |
| 07:40.28 | Dewi | +also |
| 07:40.39 | cpilka | Dewi: the system has to stay etch. the deb's are build for lenny, but work fine running an etch box. so i don't see the need to upgrade libstdc++6 etc. to lenny's to meet the deps |
| 07:41.42 | Dewi | cpilka: oh. well, you shouldn't install lenny debs in etch. but I'm sure you know that. /msg dpkg backports to find out ways of avoiding annoying the pkg manager. Sorry, I don't know how to silence warnings about unmet dependancies |
| 07:42.10 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 07:42.15 | Thurin1 | http://mediakey.dk/~cc/howto-install-sun-java-on-debian-etch/ <-- Good link :) |
| 07:43.25 | gustavo | Sep 14 04:43:04 localhost mountd[19217]: NFS mount of /home/shared attempted from 192.168.2.97 |
| 07:43.25 | gustavo | Sep 14 04:43:04 localhost mountd[19217]: Unauthorized access by NFS client 192.168.2.97. |
| 07:43.25 | gustavo | Sep 14 04:43:04 localhost mountd[19217]: Blocked attempt of 192.168.2.97 to mount /home/shared |
| 07:43.37 | *** join/#debian printk (n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk) |
| 07:43.38 | gustavo | help please? |
| 07:43.53 | *** join/#debian fr0nk (n=frank@0x711.de) |
| 07:43.54 | JeremyK | gustavo: man exports |
| 07:43.55 | fr0nk | hi |
| 07:44.27 | Shadur | gustavo: I don't see the problem. Someone tried to access an NFS share that he wasn't authorized to share, so the NFS server said "Hell no". |
| 07:44.47 | cpilka | Dewi: ok. the trouble i have is not only that the systems warns me but also that i cannot install regular etch packages anymore. every time i get the suggestion to delete the unmet deps' packages which i can confirm or exit. |
| 07:44.58 | gustavo | /home/shared 192.168.2.0/24 (rw,no_root_squash,sync) |
| 07:45.19 | JeremyK | gustavo: did you run 'exportfs -a' after modifying /etc/exports? |
| 07:45.20 | hark | cpilka: because the packages are broken. either satisfy the dependencies or uninstall them |
| 07:45.31 | Dewi | hark: they are foreign |
| 07:46.03 | Dewi | cpilka: well, you might have to use backports for those packages unavailable in etch |
| 07:46.11 | gustavo | JeremyK: id run /etc/init.d/nfs-user-server restart and /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart |
| 07:46.13 | Dewi | cpilka: dpkg bot says how |
| 07:46.33 | JeremyK | gustavo: run 'exportfs -a' |
| 07:46.43 | gustavo | JeremyK: theres no such command |
| 07:46.55 | *** join/#debian rev_jazZ (i=csegui@nat/ibm/x-a7b7c8527e9b958e) |
| 07:46.55 | JeremyK | are you root? |
| 07:47.00 | gustavo | yes |
| 07:47.03 | Dewi | anyone know if there's a command to list packages that would not be available from my current apt sources? |
| 07:47.03 | *** join/#debian dimir (n=dimir@balticom-134-128.balticom.lv) |
| 07:47.13 | printk | gustavo, /sbin/exportfs |
| 07:47.19 | *** join/#debian harpal (n=kohinoor@124.125.254.227) |
| 07:47.19 | Dewi | (and what do I call such packages? I was thinking 'orphan' but that is taken to mean something different) |
| 07:47.25 | printk | gustavo, i lied /usr/sbin/exportfs |
| 07:47.25 | *** join/#debian Youri (n=youri@root.dyndns.org) |
| 07:47.52 | gustavo | printk: nothing |
| 07:47.54 | harpal | I want to unmount /proc how to do that? |
| 07:48.06 | JeremyK | gustavo: did you run /sbin/exportfs -a ? |
| 07:48.07 | Shadur | harpal: You do not want todo that. |
| 07:48.11 | *** join/#debian pringat (n=roger@71.pool62-37-87.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 07:48.16 | cpilka | Dewi: the packages are not available in lenny. it's only a nightbuild for lenny. so no chance with backports. |
| 07:48.17 | gustavo | it doesnt make sense. |
| 07:48.24 | printk | gustavo, um you are running this from your server right? not your client? |
| 07:48.24 | gustavo | JeremyK: theres no such file |
| 07:48.36 | gustavo | printk: yes |
| 07:48.38 | Dewi | cpilka: they were removed from lenny? |
| 07:48.49 | Dewi | cpilka: sounds like bad news |
| 07:48.56 | Dewi | cpilka: but anyway, you can backport from unstable too |
| 07:48.58 | cpilka | Dewi: they never reached lenny |
| 07:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 792] by debhelper |
| 07:49.02 | gustavo | ;-( |
| 07:49.10 | gustavo | its all right |
| 07:49.14 | cpilka | Dewi: its a freenx nightbuild |
| 07:49.32 | hark | cpilka: what does dpkg --audit say? |
| 07:49.32 | harpal | Shadur: I am making a new file system with command debootstrap so its stop at W: Failure trying to run: chroot /usr/local/newdebian mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 07:49.44 | Dewi | cpilka: looked for other people packaging them? |
| 07:49.57 | harpal | I have disable mount of /proc in /etc/fstab and restarted that system but still it has mounted that |
| 07:50.01 | *** join/#debian Ashareth (n=Ashareth@AMontsouris-156-1-42-228.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:50.02 | Dewi | cpilka: there have been etch packages available from unofficial repos but availability has been patchy IIRC |
| 07:50.05 | *** join/#debian Ozymandias2 (n=bah@12-219-28-217.client.mchsi.com) |
| 07:50.14 | JeremyK | harpal: why would you want to disable /proc mounting? |
| 07:50.21 | gustavo | :( |
| 07:50.24 | gustavo | no sense at all |
| 07:50.44 | harpal | Je |
| 07:50.59 | harpal | JeremyK: I am making a new file system with command debootstrap so its stop at W: Failure trying to run: chroot /usr/local/newdebian mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 07:51.13 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:51.18 | *** join/#debian buscon (n=marcello@78.4.53.226) |
| 07:51.31 | liable | weak, got my mobo, my ram, but the cpu hasnt turned up. now I cant build it for two weeks |
| 07:51.51 | JeremyK | harpal: ok, and what's the failure? if it doesn't say, try running the command yourself and show us the error it's giving you |
| 07:52.02 | jelly-home | harpal: so fin the cause of mount (or chroot) failing, that's just the symptom |
| 07:52.08 | Dewi | cpilka: this repo seems to have them but they might be old, I dunno: http://packages.debianbase.de/ |
| 07:52.24 | Dewi | cpilka: also raw debs here: http://www.vandervlis.nl/freenx/etch/ |
| 07:52.31 | Dewi | cpilka: I don't endorse these but anyway |
| 07:52.45 | hark | Dewi: yeah they are called 'broken' packages |
| 07:52.46 | jelly-home | no freenx in debian? |
| 07:52.48 | Dewi | cpilka: if you can find package source code why not build from source? |
| 07:53.13 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/G5Wqcm92.html is update-grub blind?! maybe I'll tag bts. |
| 07:55.25 | *** join/#debian gpm (n=gpm@c-76-102-141-252.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:55.26 | harpal | This is I am running and output of that http://pastebin.com/m68bb7818 |
| 07:55.32 | *** join/#debian simmerz|work (n=simmerz@82.111.212.201) |
| 07:56.35 | *** join/#debian SlayerXP (n=mart@82-69-6-203.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 07:57.11 | jelly-home | Supaplex: it's a shell script... sprinkle with set -x |
| 07:57.30 | Supaplex | harpal: is it running as root? |
| 07:57.41 | *** join/#debian TiffOn (n=TiffOn@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 07:58.18 | Supaplex | then I need a paste site that supports upload of my txt file. |
| 07:58.30 | *** join/#debian darkelf_ (n=darkelf@IP-178-85.TvNetWork.Hu) |
| 07:58.33 | Supaplex | rafb.net no work :P |
| 07:58.40 | harpal | Supaplex: yes I am running it as root |
| 07:58.41 | gustavo | help with NFS? |
| 07:58.52 | Supaplex | it's 1100+ lines. |
| 07:59.34 | Supaplex | harpal: and /usr/local/newdebian exists, right? |
| 08:00.05 | PietroGiovanni | can anyone help me with alsa? |
| 08:00.06 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@60-240-63-218.tpgi.com.au) |
| 08:00.08 | Supaplex | try running the chroot command yourself. hopefull it'll return a better error message |
| 08:00.34 | harpal | Supaplex: yes I have made a directory /usr/local/newdebian |
| 08:00.42 | *** part/#debian jair (i=jair@nat/ibm/x-63195e9de41ff759) |
| 08:01.11 | Dewi | anyone know how I can get a list of installed packages that I can pipe elsewhere? Ie, doesn't have whitespace and columns and stuff? |
| 08:01.18 | Supaplex | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/5c7x7P63.html |
| 08:01.23 | *** join/#debian war (i=war@ritalin.simplylinux.org) |
| 08:01.32 | harpal | Supaplex: I have run chroot /usr/local/newdebian than its telling me chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
| 08:01.54 | Supaplex | harpal: ahh, so /bin/bash isn't in the chroot? |
| 08:02.09 | harpal | I have /bin/bash file but I dont have anything in newdebian folder? |
| 08:02.26 | *** join/#debian r3tex (n=r3tex@death.olf.sgsnet.se) |
| 08:02.37 | harpal | In newdebian I have debootstrap dev etc var folders |
| 08:02.38 | r3tex | why exactly did network-manager-gnome get pulled from lenny? |
| 08:02.50 | hark | Dewi: /msg dpkg installed |
| 08:03.06 | hark | !why is network-manager-gnome not in testing |
| 08:03.06 | dpkg | network-manager-gnome is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=network-manager-gnome |
| 08:03.27 | r3tex | wow, fast response :P |
| 08:04.29 | *** join/#debian LOLZebra (n=lolzebra@147.229.90.165) |
| 08:04.51 | *** join/#debian Garcian (n=garcian@c-98-199-146-136.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 08:05.09 | *** join/#debian donaldo_ (n=donny@pool-71-240-78-223.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 08:06.43 | fr0nk | help, the mysql server i just installed via apt-get install mysql-server doesn't start |
| 08:06.54 | fr0nk | http://nopaste.info/2223829a54.html :-) |
| 08:07.08 | fr0nk | i don't understand what the syslog wants to tell me... or not |
| 08:07.28 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-36-208.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:08.00 | *** join/#debian ronr (n=ron@ip51cdd509.speed.planet.nl) |
| 08:08.07 | semprix | fr0nk: /var/log/syslog? |
| 08:08.32 | fr0nk | http://nopaste.info/9108be21cb.html <- semprix: hier |
| 08:08.49 | ronr | hi, I created a 200 MB filesystem image a while back and got it mounted with local loopback device, I want to resize this image, how can I do that? |
| 08:09.06 | fr0nk | i don't even know what innodb is |
| 08:09.16 | *** join/#debian cast (n=cast@fsf/member/cast) |
| 08:09.44 | *** join/#debian konadr (n=konadr@85.133.31.66) |
| 08:09.50 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 08:10.05 | fr0nk | semprix: do you know what the syslog want to tell? |
| 08:10.17 | semprix | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InnoDB |
| 08:10.32 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 08:10.56 | fr0nk | semprix: chill ;) i only want it to work, not entirely understand the dbms |
| 08:11.25 | semprix | fr0nk: are you on stables? |
| 08:11.48 | ronr | found it, resize2fs |
| 08:11.51 | *** part/#debian ronr (n=ron@ip51cdd509.speed.planet.nl) |
| 08:11.59 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua__ (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-36-208.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:12.48 | fr0nk | semprix: stables? |
| 08:12.52 | *** part/#debian Tobsn (n=luxus@62.75.241.11) |
| 08:12.53 | fr0nk | you mean 2.6.9-023stab043.1-smp? |
| 08:12.53 | *** part/#debian pif (n=ldm@zenon.apartia.fr) |
| 08:13.01 | fr0nk | (from uname) |
| 08:13.20 | semprix | less /etc/debian_version |
| 08:13.49 | fr0nk | 3.1 |
| 08:13.55 | cast | less isn't in the base install FWIW |
| 08:15.04 | *** join/#debian MelkorD (n=morgoth@station-21-140-87-77.ticom.pl) |
| 08:16.04 | *** join/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@209-180-249-189.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 08:17.07 | *** join/#debian hochimoo (n=andrew@88-97-31-55.dsl.zen.co.uk) |
| 08:17.53 | hochimoo | hi, how do I change my default gateway |
| 08:18.14 | *** join/#debian lgd_ (n=lgd_@adsl-ull-25-17.48-151.net24.it) |
| 08:18.23 | *** part/#debian jimjjjjj (n=garcian@c-98-199-146-136.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) |
| 08:19.00 | liable | hochimoo: man route |
| 08:19.04 | semprix | hochimoo: route add default gw IP add |
| 08:19.22 | semprix | heh was that spoon feeding? |
| 08:19.24 | petemc | spurious "add" there |
| 08:19.34 | *** join/#debian Coke (n=peter@h170n2fls32o880.telia.com) |
| 08:19.38 | petemc | you should use "ip" now, too |
| 08:19.45 | petemc | ip route add default via 1.2.3.254 |
| 08:19.49 | vaq | Does anybody know if OpenISCSI support's two nodes sharing the same disk ? |
| 08:19.59 | *** join/#debian Alley (n=user@e179193051.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 08:20.04 | *** join/#debian MelkorD (n=morgoth@station-21-140-87-77.ticom.pl) |
| 08:20.07 | Coke | I have started tightvncserver and it has a port open (5901/tcp open vnc-1), yet when I try the xtightvncviewer localhost:5901 I get "Connection refused", how is that possible? |
| 08:20.07 | Dewi | anyone know what this is ? |
| 08:20.08 | Dewi | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ |
| 08:20.13 | semprix | ip route add? |
| 08:20.22 | Coke | Telnet to 5901 works fine. |
| 08:20.34 | Dewi | is there an official backports repo now? |
| 08:20.40 | Alley | I can play videos in mplayer and I get sound. So I know the HW is working. But i can play no MP3s from amarok, xine, vlc. What am I missing? |
| 08:20.41 | Dewi | or coming soon? or what? |
| 08:20.43 | semprix | petemc: didnt know that when did it first appreared? |
| 08:20.45 | Coke | Oh, it's localhost::5901, with two colons. stupid. |
| 08:20.47 | Alley | (I have multimedia dep added) |
| 08:20.57 | petemc | semprix: its been about for a while now |
| 08:21.06 | semprix | ohh i always use route |
| 08:21.55 | hochimoo | petemc, do I have to del the old one first? |
| 08:22.11 | liable | yes |
| 08:22.22 | hochimoo | thx |
| 08:23.57 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua_ (n=anapivir@AMarseille-153-1-46-103.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 08:25.17 | *** join/#debian unilynx (n=unilynx@pool-70-16-74-104.port.east.verizon.net) |
| 08:25.55 | *** join/#debian grubby (n=tompfr@ool-4356eeb0.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 08:26.40 | *** join/#debian contrast83 (n=mike@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) |
| 08:26.53 | *** join/#debian donaldo (n=donny@pool-71-240-73-131.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 08:27.33 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-139-221-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 08:28.21 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.50 | SF8 | VFS: cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 08:29.00 | SF8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 798] by debhelper |
| 08:29.14 | SF8 | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 08:30.18 | *** join/#debian ktne (n=ktne@unaffiliated/ktne) |
| 08:30.20 | ktne | hello |
| 08:30.28 | ktne | how can i know which font is used by xterm? |
| 08:30.36 | ktne | it's a small clean sanserif font |
| 08:30.47 | ktne | i want to use it in the gui editor too |
| 08:30.49 | ktne | is it possible? |
| 08:30.54 | vaq | Does anybody know if OpenISCSI support's two nodes sharing the same disk ? |
| 08:32.27 | *** join/#debian marcfp (n=Marc@33.Red-213-98-129.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:32.58 | marcfp | hello, i have problems when i try to start mysql server |
| 08:33.06 | *** join/#debian robboplus (n=vienna@aik105.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:33.20 | *** join/#debian appelza (n=d@dsl-240-171-43.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 08:33.21 | marcfp | probably i have something wrong, but i don't find anything, can anyone help me ? |
| 08:33.25 | *** join/#debian ktwilight_ (n=ktwiligh@253.112-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 08:33.26 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 08:33.29 | liable | SF8: you need to make sure the right drivers are compiling in |
| 08:33.37 | appelza | does screen change any environmental values? ie. can I do apt-get installs in it safely? |
| 08:33.51 | Supaplex | vaq: as in that network block mirroring thingiemaigy? |
| 08:33.58 | ktne | marcfp: what is your issue? |
| 08:34.06 | marcfp | i askd into mysql channel, now i have mysql-server runing, but when i reboot the computer, mysql doesn't run |
| 08:34.26 | marcfp | ktne: at boottime, mysql-server doesn't load well |
| 08:34.28 | ktne | marcfp: because you have to start it each time you boot the computer |
| 08:34.49 | SF8 | my old kernel still boots. can I copy the settings across? |
| 08:34.55 | marcfp | ktne: i don't understand you, can you explain my it ? |
| 08:34.58 | marcfp | please ? |
| 08:34.59 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 08:35.01 | ktne | marcfp: doesn't start at all or it starts with an error? |
| 08:35.15 | mosno | oh my lord, breakthrough -- for anyone struggling with the full syntax of /etc/apt/preferences, check out: apt-get policy |
| 08:35.18 | liable | SF8: if you make an initrd |
| 08:35.30 | marcfp | ktne: it try to strats, but fails |
| 08:36.09 | ktne | marcfp: what is the error? |
| 08:36.10 | *** join/#debian skandaleras (n=luiz@gsyc049.dat.escet.urjc.es) |
| 08:36.15 | marcfp | ktne: i don't have any message, any log |
| 08:36.31 | marcfp | i look at /var/log/mysql.err and no have any lines |
| 08:36.42 | ktne | marcfp: are you sure it starts? |
| 08:36.47 | ktne | marcfp: maybe it doesn't start at all |
| 08:37.13 | ktne | marcfp: if you start it manually after boot, does it work? |
| 08:37.28 | marcfp | ktne: no ... |
| 08:37.39 | ktne | marcfp: is the process running? |
| 08:37.54 | marcfp | ktne: it says it : Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 08:38.03 | marcfp | ktne: yes, i can join into mysql prompt |
| 08:38.09 | hark | mosno: the man page wasn't helpful? |
| 08:38.19 | marcfp | but it doesn't run well |
| 08:38.53 | ktne | marcfp: hmm, but what error do you get when you try to start it manually?> |
| 08:39.21 | marcfp | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.21 | marcfp | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 08:39.24 | marcfp | this error |
| 08:39.26 | marcfp | sorry :S |
| 08:39.29 | *** join/#debian valombre (n=valombre@154.104-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 08:39.53 | marcfp | ktne: i'm using debian testing |
| 08:40.03 | ktne | marcfp: start it manually |
| 08:40.31 | Supaplex | ~test |
| 08:40.32 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 08:40.34 | marcfp | ktne: how ? |
| 08:40.38 | Supaplex | yippie! |
| 08:40.58 | SF8 | liable -- yes it I'm just checking /boot/grub/menu.lst, and the new entry has no initrd |
| 08:41.04 | SF8 | what is going on? |
| 08:41.14 | liable | SF8: you didnt build one.. |
| 08:41.23 | liable | SF8: go read a kernel compiling howto |
| 08:41.28 | ktne | marcfp: mysqld --install works? |
| 08:41.41 | Alley | Could someone walk me through the checks I need to make to figure out why mp3 does not play on my new Etch installation? System sounds work fine. Mplayer players movies with sound so I know the HW works. |
| 08:42.13 | ktne | Alley: are you trying to make mpg123 work? |
| 08:42.22 | marcfp | ktne: [ERROR] mysqld: unknown option '--install' |
| 08:42.33 | gustavo | how can i free up hd space? |
| 08:42.40 | Alley | ktne: no. any player. |
| 08:42.41 | ktne | marcfp: then i'm not sure what the issue is, i'm not familiar with mysql under linux |
| 08:42.52 | ktne | Alley: try to run the player with root see if it works that way |
| 08:43.02 | Alley | why would that make any difference? |
| 08:43.11 | ktne | you might have the wrong rights set |
| 08:43.30 | Alley | no. mplayer works. the mp3 "plays" but there is no sound. |
| 08:43.40 | marcfp | :( |
| 08:43.48 | mosno | hark: funny you mention that -- looking back, i guess it is, but i was happy to find a way to actually see what apt's runtime concept of the pinnings is |
| 08:43.55 | ktne | Alley: try speakertest program, you should hear some noise |
| 08:43.57 | contrast83 | gustavo: apt-get clean, and also, if your kernel's been updated since you installed, remove the old one(s) |
| 08:44.11 | Alley | ktne: I already said sound works from mplayer and system sounds. |
| 08:44.13 | gustavo | contrast83: thanks |
| 08:44.28 | ktne | Alley: you just said that mplayer doesn't play the sound |
| 08:44.33 | marcfp | can anyone help me with mysql and init scripts ? |
| 08:44.35 | ktne | Alley: mplayer works. the mp3 "plays" but there is no sound. |
| 08:44.36 | contrast83 | np |
| 08:44.51 | Alley | no. I said it doesnt give mp3 sound. I get sound from other formats. |
| 08:44.55 | ktne | Alley: so can you play mp3s or not using mpg123? does speakertest works or not? |
| 08:44.55 | Alley | sorry for confusion. |
| 08:45.06 | Alley | I will try mpg123. brb |
| 08:45.34 | fr0nk | arr damn mysql server wont start |
| 08:45.44 | *** join/#debian [nitro] (n=nitro@89.142.155.177) |
| 08:46.15 | marcfp | fr0nk: what ? are you saying it to me ? |
| 08:46.33 | Alley | ktne: where is this speakertest? |
| 08:46.54 | fr0nk | no to everyone, kindof a broadcast ;) could you please have a look at it? :) |
| 08:47.01 | fr0nk | Errormsg: http://nopaste.info/2223829a54.html |
| 08:47.01 | fr0nk | Syslog: http://nopaste.info/a6bde44843.html |
| 08:47.16 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.244.152) |
| 08:47.39 | harpal | Supaplex: I have try to run command chroot /root/newdebian mount -t proc proc /proc where I am getting error |
| 08:48.06 | harpal | So I have run that manually and I got error chroot: cannot run command `mount': No such file or directory |
| 08:48.29 | Supaplex | harpal: sorry. greymatter here is all used up for today. goodnight. |
| 08:48.36 | *** join/#debian alexfranci (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 08:48.49 | fr0nk | Errormsg: http://nopaste.info/2223829a54.html |
| 08:48.49 | fr0nk | Syslog: http://nopaste.info/a6bde44843.html |
| 08:48.51 | fr0nk | arlgh |
| 08:48.52 | fr0nk | sry |
| 08:48.52 | *** kick/#debian [fr0nk!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 08:49.06 | *** join/#debian fr0nk (n=frank@0x711.de) |
| 08:49.14 | fr0nk | sry, rightclick paste in putty |
| 08:49.24 | ktne | Alley: speakertest is a console app |
| 08:49.30 | ktne | Alley: run it from a terminal |
| 08:49.34 | *** join/#debian magical_trevsky (n=magical@host81-149-185-161.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 08:49.51 | harpal | Supaplex: ok but thanx for your help. good night |
| 08:50.19 | *** join/#debian moshii (i=dgp@sverige.freeshell.ORG) |
| 08:51.07 | marcfp | i only can join into mysql prompt if i make mysql -uroot -p -h 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:52.22 | *** join/#debian ericx_1 (n=jxtadev@125.120.99.98) |
| 08:52.39 | ktne | marcfp: is there a mysqld process running? |
| 08:52.53 | psyche_ | can someone say why i cant go inet over DHCP server? |
| 08:53.05 | psyche_ | DHCP and DNS are working without errors |
| 08:53.07 | marcfp | ktne: yes |
| 08:53.23 | ktne | marcfp: then probably your server is running |
| 08:53.27 | psyche_ | but i cant access inet over server with computers wich are inside LAN |
| 08:53.44 | Gm4n | psyche_: yet they can do DNS lookups? |
| 08:53.57 | tarzeau | jelly-home: yes, but it doesn't tell in detail how |
| 08:54.07 | marcfp | ktne: yes, my server is running, but i can't join into without -h 127.0.0.1 paramater |
| 08:54.09 | tarzeau | jelly-home: i'd just like to give it a try without putting too much effort in it |
| 08:54.16 | psyche_ | Gm4n yep |
| 08:54.26 | ktne | marcfp: that befcause you have to connect to the server |
| 08:54.28 | Gm4n | psyche_: what's their DNS server? |
| 08:54.32 | marcfp | i'm using mysql-server-5.0 |
| 08:54.36 | psyche_ | you mean ip address? |
| 08:54.38 | psyche_ | or dns name? |
| 08:54.48 | Gm4n | ip address |
| 08:54.53 | psyche_ | 192.168.1.1 |
| 08:54.56 | Gm4n | ok |
| 08:55.03 | Gm4n | so the router is the DNS? |
| 08:55.07 | psyche_ | if i type nslookup <ip> it gives right names etc |
| 08:55.18 | psyche_ | Gm4n yes |
| 08:55.35 | psyche_ | i have met this problem with Windows Server 2003 |
| 08:55.39 | psyche_ | but not with *nix |
| 08:56.51 | *** join/#debian ines (n=ines@80.30.142.123) |
| 08:57.03 | *** join/#debian jfl1 (n=jflm@189.Red-83-59-200.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:57.12 | Gm4n | psyche_: what is your router? |
| 08:57.39 | Enigma | How can i find out, where which device is my cdrom? |
| 08:57.57 | Alley | ktne: not such application as speakertest |
| 08:58.07 | Gm4n | I don't know, it's always been an Enigma to me ;) |
| 08:58.19 | Gm4n | (sorry, it's 3am and I'm getting kinda ridiculous) |
| 08:58.35 | Alley | ktne: but what do you expect speaker test to show? I already now that sound works from the sound preferences dialog. |
| 08:58.41 | Gm4n | Enigma: is it already mounted? |
| 08:58.43 | Enigma | gm4n :p |
| 08:58.46 | Enigma | got it :) |
| 08:59.05 | Gm4n | oh, wow, that was fast |
| 08:59.54 | psyche_ | Gm4n ip? |
| 09:00.21 | Gm4n | I meant is it a hardware router, or it windows? =P |
| 09:00.29 | *** join/#debian contrast83 (n=mike@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) |
| 09:00.53 | psyche_ | Gm4n model? |
| 09:01.24 | Gm4n | psyche_: just in general, could it be something screwy in router settings or not |
| 09:01.57 | psyche_ | ... |
| 09:02.00 | psyche_ | thats possible |
| 09:02.22 | *** join/#debian trebor_home (n=user@dslb-084-058-249-080.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:02.22 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 09:02.24 | Enigma | Gm4n: Or not :( It claims that the device doesnt exist |
| 09:02.40 | Gm4n | Enigma: what did you do? |
| 09:03.16 | liable | he's using a converter |
| 09:03.16 | *** join/#debian eusto_ (n=eusto@86.105.244.62) |
| 09:03.54 | Enigma | mount -t iso9660 /dev/xvdd /mnt/cdrom |
| 09:03.56 | *** join/#debian jordo23_ (n=jordo23@CPE-65-31-131-130.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 09:04.38 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p54BF0A53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:05.22 | *** join/#debian todsah (n=todsah@electricmonk.nl) |
| 09:07.04 | todsah | Hi. I did an update-rc.d -f apache remove, but after each upgrade of apache, the rc files are created again. What's the best way to make such a change permanent? |
| 09:07.24 | fireba11 | hm .. acrobat 8.1.1 is out as debian pakage .. nice .. |
| 09:07.29 | Gm4n | Enigma: what does it do if you don't give it the -t flag? |
| 09:07.37 | todsah | I couldn't find anything in the debian manual, or on google. |
| 09:07.39 | Gm4n | and how does it fail with the current command (sorry, tired) |
| 09:08.07 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@101.Red-83-43-26.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 09:08.38 | liable | todsah: with something like sysv-rc-conf |
| 09:08.47 | liable | todsah: see the update-rc.d man page |
| 09:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 806] by debhelper |
| 09:09.23 | todsah | liable: thanks, I'll check that out. |
| 09:10.45 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.244.152) |
| 09:13.32 | *** join/#debian Xanthor|aw (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-167-163.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:15.03 | *** join/#debian trebor_h` (n=user@dslb-084-058-226-175.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:16.15 | *** join/#debian domster (n=dominic@125-238-113-191.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) |
| 09:16.16 | *** join/#debian xushi_ (n=xushi@80.90.174.185) |
| 09:18.40 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher) |
| 09:18.46 | *** join/#debian desti_T2 (n=desti@p5B01A8AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:22.24 | *** join/#debian |xenonex_| (n=xenonex@85.195.161.239.satgate.net) |
| 09:24.20 | *** join/#debian mattuk (n=matt@cpc2-darl4-0-0-cust633.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 09:25.42 | *** join/#debian zenwryly` (i=xen@rpatterson.net) |
| 09:27.49 | *** join/#debian oenixx (n=oenixx@58.62.122.130) |
| 09:28.10 | *** join/#debian kww (n=k_w@212.44.94.157.satgate.net) |
| 09:29.56 | gustavo | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.39 | Gm4n | gustavo: depending on network setup, quite typical |
| 09:31.21 | Gm4n | gustavo: if the WAP is a router and not a bridge, that's expected behavior |
| 09:31.49 | *** join/#debian woozy (n=bug@cable-213-132-147-56.upc.chello.be) |
| 09:32.58 | *** part/#debian ktne (n=ktne@unaffiliated/ktne) |
| 09:33.01 | *** join/#debian infowolfe (n=infowolf@unaffiliated/infowolfe) |
| 09:33.18 | gustavo | Gm4n: its a router, yes. |
| 09:33.24 | gustavo | Gm4n: nothing i can do? |
| 09:33.29 | Gm4n | sure, there is |
| 09:33.34 | Gm4n | yo ucould change it to bridge mode |
| 09:33.48 | Gm4n | or you could put one client into DMZ plus mode |
| 09:33.53 | Gm4n | (or just forward the applicable ports) |
| 09:33.55 | infowolfe | anybody know if 'anibel' is ever on irc? |
| 09:34.04 | Gm4n | omg, anibel |
| 09:34.07 | gustavo | !seen anibel |
| 09:34.07 | dpkg | gustavo: i haven't seen 'anibel' |
| 09:34.09 | Gm4n | that's my girlfriend |
| 09:34.17 | infowolfe | anibal sorry |
| 09:34.21 | gustavo | lol |
| 09:34.23 | gustavo | !seen anibal |
| 09:34.24 | dpkg | anibal <~anibal@cesrt42.asia.info.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-women, 36d 1h 30m 3s ago, saying: 'kandinski, we could invite the people of debian-melb'. |
| 09:34.25 | *** join/#debian knighthk (n=tsb@c900FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) |
| 09:34.26 | *** join/#debian mr_oddwire (n=mr_oddwi@gw0.globalvision.com) |
| 09:34.41 | infowolfe | is there a debian bug channel? |
| 09:34.44 | gustavo | Gm4n: enabling rip dont solve the problem, right? |
| 09:35.00 | Gm4n | gustavo: I wish I knew what rip was |
| 09:35.11 | Gm4n | but anyway, think of it this way |
| 09:35.24 | Gm4n | the wifi router (and everything behind it) are ONE ip on your lan |
| 09:35.28 | gustavo | hehehe |
| 09:35.35 | gustavo | routing information protocol |
| 09:35.56 | Gm4n | I don't think so, no |
| 09:36.04 | gustavo | Gm4n: i have a computer -> router -> router (wireless) -> computer |
| 09:36.18 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.244.152) |
| 09:36.18 | *** join/#debian yamal (n=yamal@145.94.223.95) |
| 09:36.26 | Gm4n | you mean router -> computer and wireless router, wireless router -> another computer |
| 09:36.51 | Gm4n | right, gustavo? |
| 09:36.59 | *** part/#debian rich7195 (n=corey@207-38-188-237.c3-0.wsd-ubr4.qens-wsd.ny.cable.rcn.com) |
| 09:37.09 | *** join/#debian Paracha (i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org) |
| 09:37.13 | gustavo | Gm4n: (this computer) -> cabled router -> wireless router -> (other computer) |
| 09:37.18 | *** join/#debian teck_teck (n=techbee@pccms22.cmsfarm1.ba.infn.it) |
| 09:37.30 | gustavo | its my lan |
| 09:37.32 | *** join/#debian curtisk_ (n=curtisk@0x535ebaa5.hrnxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 09:37.52 | gustavo | and a cable modem for wan connection (internet) |
| 09:39.06 | *** join/#debian Zeit|idle (n=wurscht@p54A7F9A1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:39.19 | *** join/#debian Dom (n=dominic@125-238-113-3.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) |
| 09:40.24 | gustavo | Gm4n: how can i make it a bridge? i dont seem any options for this |
| 09:40.37 | Gm4n | gustavo: one sec, drawing a picture |
| 09:41.30 | *** join/#debian retard (n=kodegar@unaffiliated/retard) |
| 09:42.02 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@ozone.rtvslo.si) |
| 09:42.08 | *** join/#debian mmk[null] (n=martin@marinov.eu) |
| 09:42.32 | *** join/#debian regis1 (n=regis@regis.no-ip.com) |
| 09:43.39 | retard | i created a user with useradd but this user cant use /dev/dsp 'sound'. i tried usermod -G audio,video <username> but it says: usermod: invalid numberic argument 'audio' |
| 09:43.50 | retard | the group 'audio' exist in /etc/group |
| 09:44.13 | liable | adduser user group |
| 09:44.19 | *** part/#debian infowolfe (n=infowolf@unaffiliated/infowolfe) |
| 09:44.25 | retard | i dont have adduser |
| 09:44.33 | *** join/#debian desti (n=desti@p5B01A8AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:44.52 | *** join/#debian sha (n=sha@dslb-084-056-227-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 09:45.08 | liable | so install it.. |
| 09:45.17 | liable | i am surprised if you dont. |
| 09:45.41 | retard | cant u tell me how to fix this with useradd/mod ?... :( |
| 09:45.46 | liable | no |
| 09:45.47 | retard | coz i dont have debian atm... |
| 09:46.06 | surrounder | what a great nick retard! |
| 09:46.09 | surrounder | \o/ |
| 09:46.14 | retard | thanx |
| 09:47.08 | *** join/#debian PietroGiovanni (n=asd@190.172.190.199) |
| 09:48.08 | Gm4n | !paste |
| 09:48.08 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 09:48.10 | cpilka | hi folks. i have installed some .deb's using 'dpkg -i --force-depends foo.deb'. now every time i run aptitude or apt-get the system notifies me about the unmet dependencies. is there any way to disable this for the 4-5 packages i installed this way? any blacklist or something like that? |
| 09:48.17 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 09:48.24 | *** join/#debian curtisk (n=curtisk@unaffiliated/braintix) |
| 09:48.48 | Gm4n | gustavo: http://picpaste.com/Untitled_copy.jpg |
| 09:49.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 800] by debhelper |
| 09:49.02 | Gm4n | gustavo: is that about what you have? |
| 09:49.19 | *** join/#debian techbee (n=atul@pccms22.cmsfarm1.ba.infn.it) |
| 09:49.36 | *** join/#debian BUMBACL0T (n=system@ip68-13-212-104.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 09:49.45 | liable | curtisk: yes, by fixing the dependancies, or making a dummy package if its simple enough |
| 09:49.54 | sep | cpilka, you know there is a reason you should never ever use -force unless you know what you are doing. |
| 09:50.06 | *** join/#debian stev3 (n=stephan@stedy.bg) |
| 09:50.27 | *** join/#debian infinity0 (i=infinity@88-107-89-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 09:50.31 | sep | cpilka, perhaps if you explained why you choose to use force-depends we might explain what you should have done instead |
| 09:50.33 | liable | curtisk: sorry wrong nick |
| 09:51.06 | gustavo | Gm4n: no ;P |
| 09:51.09 | infinity0 | uh, httpd.conf is in /etc/apache2 right? how come it's empty but in windows it's already configured? |
| 09:51.14 | Gm4n | gustavo: doh |
| 09:51.21 | *** join/#debian Petrov (n=petrov@64.119-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 09:51.25 | gustavo | Gm4n: i show you |
| 09:51.30 | sep | infinity0, becouse debian have a superior way of configuring apache2 |
| 09:51.41 | infinity0 | sep: which is...? |
| 09:51.45 | sep | infinity0, site files ! |
| 09:51.48 | sep | they rox ! |
| 09:51.50 | PietroGiovanni | hello, i have a problem with alsa-lib, can anyone help? |
| 09:51.55 | infinity0 | sep: as in .htaccess...? |
| 09:51.59 | jelly-home | infinity0: it's split into a zillion files all over /etc/apache2 ! |
| 09:52.06 | infinity0 | jesus christ :| |
| 09:52.20 | jelly-home | infinity0: but it really works nice |
| 09:52.25 | *** join/#debian sertinell (n=sertinel@84.121.182.165.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 09:52.27 | sep | infinity0, packages that add to apache put thir own files into conf.d, the virtualhost sites you configure you put into site-available |
| 09:52.29 | infinity0 | yeah i guess but now i have to open like 20 different files |
| 09:52.37 | DustyBin | how would one go about converting a .bin .cue file into a .iso ? |
| 09:52.38 | infinity0 | right i see... |
| 09:52.42 | jelly-home | infinity0: no, just read the docs |
| 09:52.45 | sertinell | hola, hay alguna manera de instalar un paquete de experimental en SID, sin tener que pasarme a SID al completo ?? |
| 09:52.50 | sep | you can enable and disable sites and modules using a2[en|dis][site|mod] |
| 09:52.51 | infinity0 | jelly-home: cool, where are they? |
| 09:53.01 | jelly-home | /usr/share/doc/package-name |
| 09:53.04 | sep | and reading the files in /usr/share/doc/apache2* is sane |
| 09:53.21 | infinity0 | aha thanks |
| 09:53.26 | sertinell | ups |
| 09:53.27 | sertinell | sorry |
| 09:53.28 | stev3 | Hello! |
| 09:53.48 | *** join/#debian CAiRO (n=tooar@p54BE7CE6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:54.02 | sep | infinity0, things almost configure themselfs. i love the new system. keeps things neatly organised instead of having huge files with a mix of configs in them |
| 09:54.05 | jelly-home | infinity0: there's a2enmod to enable mod_something and you put vhosts in separate files in /etc/apache2/sites-available, then use a2ensite to use them |
| 09:54.06 | Gm4n | gustavo: I'm going to bed mate, it's 4AM here |
| 09:54.13 | *** join/#debian Spot7531 (n=Spot@schloesser.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 09:54.45 | sep | infinity0, i hacked up a small scipt that reads configs from a sql database and writes site files for me it's just pure goodness. |
| 09:54.50 | stev3 | Could anyone help me in finding library software for books? |
| 09:54.53 | *** join/#debian Growly (n=himself@125-238-251-116.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) |
| 09:55.07 | Gm4n | gustavo: but do make the picture, it will help others help you |
| 09:55.20 | *** join/#debian Jemt (n=Jemt@0x5735692a.odnxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 09:56.04 | DustyBin | bchunk converts .cue .bin into .iso ! :D |
| 09:56.13 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.244.152) |
| 09:56.37 | cpilka | sep: i know the rule never using --force-foobar, BUT i know what i am doing ;-) i have some deb's which are a nightbuild of a project. they're built for lenny but work PROPERLY on an etch box. so there're are some unmet deps (the reason for --force-depends), the app is working properly, but aptitude/apt-get cannot install regular packages anymore. so how to surpress apt-get/aptitude checking the 4-5 .debs for broken deps? |
| 09:56.59 | jelly-home | DustyBin: not all of them though, cue/bin can have more information than iso. |
| 09:57.13 | *** join/#debian NightOat1 (n=Andrew_S@cpc1-nthc10-0-0-cust418.nrth.cable.ntl.com) |
| 09:57.19 | stev3 | I've seen a very nice thing at sf.net which had a very nice installation how-to for Debian but I can't find it enymore. |
| 09:57.38 | *** join/#debian picot (n=abstract@cxr69-2-82-67-61-16.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:58.10 | PietroGiovanni | is there a way to autogenerate an alsaconf file? |
| 09:58.13 | liable | !equivs |
| 09:58.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 09:58.18 | jelly-home | cpilka: I'd unpack the debs, munge control files to hide dependency problems, and use the repackaged ones |
| 09:58.19 | infinity0 | sep: ahh ok cool... i need to read teh docs first :( |
| 09:58.27 | sep | if the packages work with etch,why can't the dependencies of the package reflect that ? |
| 09:58.28 | PietroGiovanni | i meant the asoundrc file |
| 09:58.33 | infinity0 | jelly-home: i'm thoroughly confused but i'll get there, eventually :P |
| 09:58.40 | sep | infinity0, /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.etc |
| 09:58.49 | infinity0 | ack how do i configure the backspace key in iceweasel to go back instead of scroll up? :/ |
| 09:58.58 | jelly-home | infinity0: it's really different, but is also quite good. |
| 09:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 806] by debhelper |
| 09:59.17 | infinity0 | jelly-home: kk |
| 09:59.25 | sep | cpilka, since if the package works in etch it seams the dependencies of the packages is too strict. |
| 09:59.49 | *** part/#debian stev3 (n=stephan@stedy.bg) |
| 10:00.08 | infinity0 | ahh about:config |
| 10:00.10 | cpilka | sep: cause it's a fast and dirty deb packaging (made on lenny but working on etch too) for a brandnew nightbuild making the life of hunderds of sysadmins easier ;-) |
| 10:00.35 | jelly-home | sep: unless there's a specific mention of version dependencies in source control, I think dh_shlibdeps will just put it whatever version was installed at build time |
| 10:00.35 | sep | cpilka, since you build the packages yourself,. it seams to me to be better to correct the dependencies then to try to satisfy redundant requirements using a equivs fake package |
| 10:01.01 | jelly-home | cpilka: next time, build in an etch chroot |
| 10:01.24 | cpilka | jelly-home: the packages are built by a dev not by me ;-) |
| 10:01.40 | jelly-home | cpilka: make him/her do it for etch, then |
| 10:02.07 | jelly-home | cpilka: or take his sources and rebuild, whatever |
| 10:02.19 | infinity0 | jelly-home: so i just include a new file in sites-available and it'll get automatically included? |
| 10:02.35 | jelly-home | because messing up apt is NOT making lives of hundreds of sysadmins easier |
| 10:02.36 | infinity0 | jelly-home: is there some sort of monitor i can put on the top-panel? like ApacheMonitor in windows? |
| 10:02.52 | cpilka | jelly-home: well, never built a .deb before but i think this is the most recommended way |
| 10:02.53 | sep | infinity0, copy the defaults file into domain.com edit it until your satisfied. enable it with a2ensite domain.com |
| 10:03.09 | sep | repeat for the next virtualserver config |
| 10:03.20 | gustavo | Gm4n: how can i make a jpeg? |
| 10:03.26 | jelly-home | cpilka: it's definitely not recommended to use packages built for testing on stable. |
| 10:03.39 | infinity0 | sep: right k, thanks |
| 10:04.15 | cpilka | jelly-home: there's no way to exclude specific .deb from checking by dpkg for unmet deps? |
| 10:04.19 | sep | cpilka, but using a package for stable on testing is more likely not to break as bad. so build it on etch. |
| 10:04.26 | *** join/#debian shai_ (n=Shai@l192-117-110-233.cable.actcom.net.il) |
| 10:04.35 | *** join/#debian woozy (n=bug@cable-213-132-147-56.upc.chello.be) |
| 10:04.43 | jelly-home | cpilka: not that I know of |
| 10:05.14 | jelly-home | cpilka: it all boils down to: DON'T use packages for testing on stable. |
| 10:05.20 | sep | cpilka, i hope not. sicne it would encourage doing stupid things, while it's realy so much easier to just do it right |
| 10:05.48 | cpilka | jelly-home & sep: ok. do you have any good url for building .deb's? |
| 10:06.11 | cpilka | from existing debs |
| 10:06.23 | infinity0 | sep: a2ensite is supposed to be a command or something? can't find it |
| 10:06.30 | jelly-home | cpilka: you need deb sources. |
| 10:06.54 | sep | infinity0, yes it's a command |
| 10:07.09 | infinity0 | command not found, which package do i need to install? |
| 10:07.09 | cpilka | jelly-home: hmhm |
| 10:07.19 | sep | infinity0, if you have the deb sources you can use the simple sid backport way |
| 10:07.35 | sep | !tell infinity0 about simple sid backport |
| 10:07.49 | sep | just replace sid with lenny and grab the deb sources manually if you dont have them in a repo |
| 10:08.09 | jelly-home | sep: you probably wanted to tell that so cpilka, not infinity0 |
| 10:08.42 | sep | !tell cpilka about simple sid backport |
| 10:08.46 | *** join/#debian Spot7836 (n=Spot@Primus.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 10:08.51 | sep | jelly-home, thanks for paying attention :) |
| 10:09.07 | sep | infinity0, please forgive me ! |
| 10:09.26 | *** join/#debian slap (n=face@58.251.80.152) |
| 10:09.37 | jelly-home | infinity0: it's in /usr/sbin. are you root? |
| 10:09.42 | *** join/#debian ustunozgur (n=ustunozg@d80002c.dorm.bilkent.edu.tr) |
| 10:09.43 | *** join/#debian lordrich (i=lordrich@outbound.silenceisdefeat.org) |
| 10:10.19 | infinity0 | jelly-home: i can be lol and thanks |
| 10:10.27 | infinity0 | o right i see |
| 10:10.30 | infinity0 | run it as root |
| 10:11.12 | cpilka | jelly-home & sep: many thanks for your help. i'll rebuild the debs |
| 10:12.15 | infinity0 | jeez this command has no documentation :/ |
| 10:12.33 | jelly-home | cpilka: if I may repeat myself, you can also take the already made debs, unpack them (dpkg --extract foo.deb foo/ && dpkg --control foo.deb foo/DEBIAN/), remove the offending dependencies and pack them back (dpkg -b foo) |
| 10:12.59 | jelly-home | cpilka: but if you have access to deb-src, it's better to create a clean backport. |
| 10:13.23 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@M1102P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 10:14.06 | *** join/#debian dooglus_ (n=dooglus@rincevent.net) |
| 10:14.40 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher) |
| 10:15.22 | *** join/#debian Aubustou_ (n=Gentoux@APoitiers-153-1-98-202.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:15.35 | Guerin | so ... you know you're a sad-case propaganda geek when ... it's friday night, your wife is out at the pub, and you're at home watching Triumph des Willens on your own |
| 10:16.18 | liable | and whining about it on irc |
| 10:16.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:16.36 | Guerin | waiting for my steak to cook |
| 10:16.40 | Guerin | gotta do something |
| 10:17.01 | Guerin | thought maybe I'd flame some n00bs or something but they're scarce |
| 10:17.15 | liable | heh |
| 10:17.19 | jelly-home | flame the steak instead |
| 10:17.30 | *** join/#debian fluxdude (n=fluxdude@dns.phgroup.com) |
| 10:18.19 | Guerin | mmm, charred meat |
| 10:18.35 | Guerin | better than the gruel those nazi soldiers are eating |
| 10:18.45 | *** join/#debian vince36 (n=human@d77-216-218-136.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 10:18.53 | *** part/#debian vince36 (n=human@d77-216-218-136.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 10:19.08 | *** join/#debian Codenut (n=abeck@dpc6746179042.direcpc.com) |
| 10:19.56 | *** part/#debian ustunozgur (n=ustunozg@d80002c.dorm.bilkent.edu.tr) |
| 10:20.20 | Guerin | liable: got a prediction for Wales v Australia? |
| 10:20.29 | *** join/#debian vince36 (n=human@d77-216-218-136.cust.tele2.fr) |
| 10:20.55 | *** join/#debian Spot6380 (n=Spot@Primus.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 10:20.58 | infinity0 | man apache makes so much more sense on gnu/linux than windows |
| 10:21.15 | infinity0 | now i understand wtf "FollowSymLinks" meant |
| 10:21.45 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.244.152) |
| 10:21.45 | *** join/#debian greenpwr (n=player@gprs-pool-1-012.eplus-online.de) |
| 10:23.19 | *** join/#debian Spot9041 (n=Spot@Primus.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 10:23.26 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.33 | jelly-home | true dat |
| 10:26.20 | gustavo | http://picpaste.com/topology.jpg can someone help me? my cabled pc cant access my wireless pc |
| 10:27.07 | *** join/#debian `Vinz` (n=Vinz@pla93-3-82-240-11-251.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 10:27.10 | *** join/#debian sls_445 (n=sls_445@p54AEFAF7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:27.15 | `Vinz` | hi |
| 10:27.21 | sls_445 | hi |
| 10:27.31 | sls_445 | kann mir jemand halfen? |
| 10:27.45 | *** join/#debian Alley (n=user@e179193051.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 10:27.56 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-012.eplus-online.de) |
| 10:28.33 | *** join/#debian peppe (n=peppe@host104-87-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 812] by debhelper |
| 10:29.48 | *** join/#debian humbolto (n=elias@u-121-071.adsl.univie.ac.at) |
| 10:29.51 | sls_445 | hallO? |
| 10:30.25 | Codenut | good morning |
| 10:31.05 | Codenut | exit |
| 10:31.28 | humbolto | does anybody know a USB/NAS external HDD running on Linux? One which is know to be easy to adapt software wise. |
| 10:31.34 | gryfie_ | sls: There is a german debian-channel |
| 10:31.56 | liable | humbolto: slug |
| 10:32.07 | *** join/#debian si0ux (n=si0ux@201-048-208-161.static.ctbctelecom.com.br) |
| 10:34.29 | *** join/#debian infowolfe (n=infowolf@unaffiliated/infowolfe) |
| 10:34.30 | *** join/#debian greenpwr (n=player@gprs-pool-1-012.eplus-online.de) |
| 10:34.33 | *** join/#debian sf7 (i=sf7@137.132.199.174) |
| 10:34.37 | infowolfe | !seen cavok |
| 10:34.37 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'cavok', infowolfe |
| 10:35.00 | humbolto | liable: slug? what do you mean? |
| 10:35.01 | sf7 | ls -R|grep fish finds fish, but how to display which subfolder it's in? |
| 10:35.22 | et | find . -name fish |
| 10:35.29 | liable | humbolto: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ |
| 10:36.56 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 10:39.06 | *** join/#debian dobby (i=d4f9ce02@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-2d9a7b87e15fde78) |
| 10:41.24 | `Vinz` | I'm trying use preseed.cfg to automate the installation, but it fails |
| 10:41.33 | *** join/#debian Shisui (n=chris@AAmiens-152-1-19-206.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:41.39 | `Vinz` | the partitionning step fails |
| 10:41.55 | dobby | hy when i want to configure 3 NICs in 3 different subnets do i have to configure a special setup for routing? |
| 10:41.58 | `Vinz` | here is the line I use : d-i partman-auto/expert_recipe string boot-root :: 40 50 100 ext3 $primary{ } $bootable{ } method{ format } format{ } use_filesystem{ } filesystem{ ext3 } mountpoint{ / } . |
| 10:42.29 | `Vinz` | the installer returns that no rootfs is defined. |
| 10:43.14 | zophy | how can i tell if this laptop supports usb2 ? |
| 10:43.25 | zophy | it was made in 2000 |
| 10:43.48 | wols | dobby: not special per se, why? is the debian box supposed to act as a router? as a switch` |
| 10:43.51 | wols | ? |
| 10:44.14 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:44.15 | wols | zophy: by checking the chipset. but that long agO: no support |
| 10:44.37 | *** join/#debian EViLGiMp (n=evilgimp@bas1-stcatharines10-1096572257.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 10:44.48 | *** join/#debian deeptz (n=chatzill@KHP222000092060.ppp-bb.dion.ne.jp) |
| 10:44.49 | sha | zophy, maybe it has usb1 AND usb2 .. on different ports |
| 10:44.59 | dobby | i want to have an asterisk with 3 network cards |
| 10:45.01 | sha | zophy, dmesg should tell you |
| 10:45.08 | petemc | zophy: i would doubt it does usb2 |
| 10:45.08 | zophy | dmesg |
| 10:45.19 | dobby | so incoming line and outgoning line in 2 different subnets |
| 10:45.29 | gustavo | my notebook cant shut down , what can i do? it doesnt responds |
| 10:45.40 | petemc | zophy: do you see stuff about "ehci" in dmesg? |
| 10:45.50 | dobby | do I have to configure something like in solaris /etc/gateways to set static routes? |
| 10:45.59 | *** join/#debian Hammar (i=frank@dipb140993.dig-prov.de) |
| 10:46.07 | wols | dobby: yes. /etc/network/interfaces. man interfaces |
| 10:46.12 | zophy | petemc, nope |
| 10:46.40 | petemc | zophy: i dont think a 7 year old laptop is gonna have usb2 |
| 10:46.48 | Penix | every single bit of hardware in this universe is against me, I swear... |
| 10:47.08 | DustyBin | why do different distros put things in different places? on RHEL, the network settings are in /etc/sys-config/network-scripts |
| 10:47.19 | *** join/#debian Petrov (n=petrov@16.157-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 10:47.25 | dobby | wols ok |
| 10:47.35 | wols | Penix: relax. us people are all against you two. between us two, I'd be more worried about the people than hardware |
| 10:47.50 | wols | s/two/too |
| 10:48.44 | Penix | very glad I purchased alcoholic beverages on my way home. knew it'd pay off |
| 10:49.09 | Internat | i might be asking for trouble but.. i have a server running debian that im about to reinstall.. but it doesnt have a monitor.. is there an easy way of rebuilding without needing a montior |
| 10:49.12 | wols | yes, when you're drunk, we can hit you easier |
| 10:49.34 | *** join/#debian mesut (n=power@tuxhacker/mesut) |
| 10:49.37 | wols | infowolfe: the question is why reinstall? |
| 10:49.40 | Hammar | connection to my wireless network fails with an error message "TKIP: replay detected [...] previous TSC received". any suggestions? |
| 10:49.41 | mesut | Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main lighttpd 1.4.13-4etch1 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80] |
| 10:49.51 | mesut | wth ? |
| 10:49.53 | infowolfe | wols, what? |
| 10:49.58 | Internat | cause i dont know whats on it , and i basicly want to make it empty |
| 10:50.05 | Internat | infowolfe i think he meant me :) |
| 10:50.10 | wols | Internat: the question is why reinstall in the first place |
| 10:50.17 | wols | infowolfe: nothing, wrong nick |
| 10:50.25 | Internat | it was my old file server, and im about to turn it into a gateway.. so.. |
| 10:50.50 | Internat | it was a muck arround box running testing for starters, and i want to change it to sarge |
| 10:51.04 | wols | Internat: the releas notes or install manual have a way to do it the problem is, what happens when something goes wrong (note I didn't say "if") |
| 10:51.21 | wols | you really don't want to change anything to sarge right now. sarge is oldstable |
| 10:51.31 | Internat | sorry etch is what i meant :) |
| 10:51.55 | Internat | yeah.. ok guess ill put it off til tommorow and go get the spare monitor out |
| 10:53.37 | wols | you can also install it to the hdd inside another PC and move it when installed.. |
| 10:54.17 | wols | if you have some sort of rescue system you can depend on to be able to talk to it in case something goes wrong, then I'd do it. not before |
| 10:54.37 | Hammar | when buying a new debian laptop, should i opt for a amd or intel dual core cpu? |
| 10:55.20 | wols | doesn't matter |
| 10:55.23 | infowolfe | Hammar, amd laptops are usually cheaper, intel laptops are generally better made (ie, ibm thinkpad, etc) |
| 10:55.36 | wols | the cpu is totally irrelevant |
| 10:55.40 | infowolfe | where ibm == lenovo |
| 10:56.05 | wols | things you need to look out for are any support chips (linux drivers available?), the acpi implementation, etc |
| 10:56.07 | `Vinz` | Does anybody here have a working preseed.cfg with expert_recipe ? |
| 10:56.25 | `Vinz` | I can't make it work |
| 10:56.39 | *** join/#debian zigong (n=weechat@70.55.152.111) |
| 10:57.30 | infinity0 | how do you make a symlink to /? |
| 10:57.40 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 10:57.57 | *** join/#debian ghenry (n=ghenry@suretecsystems.plus.com) |
| 10:58.06 | infowolfe | infinity0, ln - |
| 10:58.20 | infinity0 | oh right ok cheers |
| 10:58.21 | infowolfe | errr, ln -T / $link_name as per ln --help |
| 10:58.39 | infinity0 | oh right ok lol thanks |
| 10:58.47 | infinity0 | i was trying to do it via GNOME :$ |
| 10:58.49 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=user@217.198.211.234) |
| 10:59.44 | infinity0 | error "hard link not allowed for directory" |
| 10:59.49 | infinity0 | guess it's not possible then :/ |
| 10:59.54 | Hammar | wols: but how do i determine whether the acpi implementation for a certain machine is good? |
| 11:00.02 | wols | !laptop |
| 11:00.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 11:00.48 | Jygzy- | what was the variable for home directyory? |
| 11:01.04 | infinity0 | ~ |
| 11:01.34 | dobby | $HOME ? |
| 11:01.38 | Jygzy- | so: "touch /~/lol" would make lol in ur home? |
| 11:03.02 | infinity0 | it's just ~/lol i thought |
| 11:03.02 | wols | no |
| 11:03.09 | wols | touch ~/lol would |
| 11:04.00 | *** join/#debian Decepticon (i=Deceptic@64-238-187-172.cty.apt.gru.net) |
| 11:04.24 | *** join/#debian bonii (n=bonii@unaffiliated/bonii) |
| 11:05.05 | *** join/#debian BUMBACL0T (n=system@ip68-13-212-104.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 11:05.09 | infinity0 | what's the command to get nautilus to open at / ? |
| 11:05.10 | *** join/#debian dpkg (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:06.46 | *** join/#debian raqamy (n=aljaber@196.218.222.10) |
| 11:07.42 | *** join/#debian Ariel_Calzada (n=aricalso@200.29.106.116) |
| 11:07.58 | infinity0 | ah nvmd i got it |
| 11:08.19 | *** join/#debian phogg (n=collin@c-76-106-71-50.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 11:08.54 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 11:10.24 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 11:10.46 | *** join/#debian splAt1 (n=splat1@rf1.splat1.com) |
| 11:13.29 | *** join/#debian streuner (n=streuner@p54A5D33E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:15.34 | Hammar | some day ago, there was a post on debian planet saying something about AMD releasing some source code... do you think that might (someday) extend to ATI? |
| 11:15.43 | jelly-home | Guerin: I'm wearing a "wales is ok" T-shirt to work today and hope no down-under people see me |
| 11:16.02 | xand | Hammar: they released the specs for the ati cards |
| 11:16.22 | jelly-home | xand: all cards? |
| 11:16.24 | xand | Hammar: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/12/1747202 |
| 11:16.28 | xand | see above |
| 11:16.37 | *** join/#debian |Laser| (n=xjih78@90.154.215.125) |
| 11:16.51 | xand | http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/ |
| 11:16.57 | *** join/#debian s0d0 (n=john@86.154.5.25) |
| 11:17.07 | jelly-home | eh, r500+ |
| 11:17.11 | *** join/#debian supaman (n=ojs@gw.fys.ku.dk) |
| 11:17.14 | Hammar | ah, thanks |
| 11:17.42 | supaman | hey .. tar -t file.tar doesnt give me a list of the archive ... any idea why? (do I have to give it extra options?) |
| 11:18.00 | sha | try -tvf file.tar |
| 11:18.01 | *** join/#debian orlandoj (n=orlandoj@labd207.rc.unesp.br) |
| 11:18.07 | *** join/#debian Scurz (n=sfantar@home.snurf.info) |
| 11:18.08 | *** join/#debian mr_oddwire (n=mr_oddwi@gw0.globalvision.com) |
| 11:18.17 | supaman | sha: ahh .. thanks |
| 11:18.32 | supaman | have to turn on verbosity |
| 11:18.47 | *** join/#debian lgd_ (n=lgd_@adsl-ull-161-36.48-151.net24.it) |
| 11:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 818] by debhelper |
| 11:19.18 | sha | yes, otherwise you only get from the exit code whether it has been successfully or not |
| 11:19.58 | supaman | very basic and unintuitive :) |
| 11:20.05 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 11:20.28 | *** join/#debian donaldo_ (n=donny@pool-70-20-100-234.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:21.14 | *** join/#debian CyberMad (n=cyber@222.124.66.16) |
| 11:21.49 | *** join/#debian glaslos (n=Glaslos@frnk-590d300b.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 11:22.44 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 11:22.57 | CyberMad | i want to create SMTP Server in office.. so the SMTP Server will be put behind NAT, i want every employee at office can send e-mail fast, so just that SMTP Server, and then all e-mail will be queue on that SMTP Server, what package should i use? exim4 or postfix or do you have other opinion? |
| 11:23.04 | infinity0 | sep: is all that a2ensite does create a symlink? |
| 11:23.11 | infinity0 | sep: or does it do other config stuff? |
| 11:24.03 | *** join/#debian cast_ (n=cast@fsf/member/cast) |
| 11:24.28 | sep | infinity0, read the source, or at the very least the man page :) |
| 11:24.28 | raqamy | any good audio conversion program that converts from rm, ram to mp3? |
| 11:24.39 | infinity0 | sep: right, kk |
| 11:25.12 | CyberMad | does anyone here familiar with SMTP Server? |
| 11:25.50 | Internat | CyberMad, do u want them to be able to send to outside sources? |
| 11:26.10 | petemc | CyberMad: both exim or postfix would work find for that |
| 11:26.20 | petemc | s/find/fine/ |
| 11:26.22 | techbee | !tell CyberMad about anyone |
| 11:26.35 | Internat | either will :) the devil will be in the detail of setting up to ur specifications, but both will do it :) |
| 11:27.25 | *** join/#debian maikero (n=maikeru@85.8.3.79.static.se.wasadata.net) |
| 11:28.24 | *** part/#debian infowolfe (n=infowolf@unaffiliated/infowolfe) |
| 11:28.51 | CyberMad | petemc hmm.. i read the configuration, i must set the domain, can i input any domain? |
| 11:29.50 | petemc | CyberMad: do you not have a domain? |
| 11:30.14 | wols | CyberMad: either one of them. whatever you feel like. but you need more. you need a way to store incoming mail |
| 11:30.25 | wols | no you can't input any |
| 11:31.25 | *** join/#debian exoduso (n=exoduso@modemcable015.79-81-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 11:31.53 | vezult | CyberMad: are you wanting to create just an outbound mail relay, or do you want this server to recieve mail for your domain as well? |
| 11:32.01 | CyberMad | i mean,.. i don't what i have to input when exim4 or postfix ask for domain, well.. the server not connected to public IP, the smtp server just use local IP |
| 11:32.11 | wols | I guess the SMTP server behind NAT thing explains it |
| 11:32.35 | wols | CyberMad: if it's not connected you cannot send mail. at least not to mail to anyone outside your LAN |
| 11:32.36 | *** join/#debian bintut (n=bintut@cm47.gamma178.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 11:32.51 | CyberMad | ok, here is the case: |
| 11:33.49 | multi_io_ | D'you know what innovative new feature "desktop environments" have given us? Crashing x terminal emulators! |
| 11:34.30 | cahoot | raqamy, http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.misc/2004-11/0006.html |
| 11:34.33 | *** join/#debian dutche- (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) |
| 11:34.37 | multi_io_ | I just rediscovered this phenomenon when all my apps just vanished along with the terminals from whcih I had started them :-P |
| 11:35.04 | supaman | multi_io_: nice one |
| 11:35.27 | wols | CyberMad: do you have a mail relay outside (ISP or hoster or so) which will transmit your outbound mail? |
| 11:35.30 | CyberMad | right now everyone at office can send e-mail use SMTP from our ISP (smtp.telkom.net) or use SMTP from our company website, but need authentication.. example e-mail: username@company.com ;so must use username@company.com as SMTP authentication |
| 11:35.50 | CyberMad | well.. our ISP SMTP Server is very bad |
| 11:36.17 | *** part/#debian splat1 (n=splat1@rf1.splat1.com) |
| 11:36.36 | wols | you can set either exim or postfix to do that authentification for you in the bg |
| 11:36.36 | *** join/#debian aquaqorum (n=aqua-q@e181028123.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:36.51 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@82-41-246-210.cable.ubr01.linl.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 11:37.15 | *** join/#debian mbroeker (n=mbroeker@Q2476.q.pppool.de) |
| 11:38.21 | CyberMad | wols ok, in our company we have 2 domain, so 2 SMTP Server, with the ISP SMTP Server so there are 3 SMTP Servers.... first domain: smtp.company1.com and 2nd is smtp.company2.com both need authentication and i don't want use SMTP Server from my ISP |
| 11:38.41 | *** join/#debian sourabh (n=sourabh@122.161.15.124) |
| 11:38.42 | *** join/#debian jfl1 (n=jflm@33.Red-83-53-92.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:39.05 | CyberMad | wols do you think possible that SMTP Server can recoqnize.. if the sender from 1st company, will use 1st smtp server with authentication and same for 2nd company |
| 11:39.20 | sourabh | help |
| 11:39.21 | *** join/#debian darkstar (n=darkstar@unaffiliated/darkstar) |
| 11:39.52 | xand | !help |
| 11:40.10 | xand | !ask |
| 11:40.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:40.24 | diafic | wakes up |
| 11:40.34 | *** join/#debian heB_z0rL (n=heB_z0rL@p57A05FFB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:41.13 | *** join/#debian PriceChild (n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild) |
| 11:41.17 | *** join/#debian jan__ (n=jan@212.103.134.208) |
| 11:41.57 | jan__ | I loaded psmouse driver but the "gpm" doest work for my mouse in console, and i have an usb mouse connected through adapter of PS/2 |
| 11:42.01 | *** join/#debian SlayerXP (n=mart@82-69-6-203.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 11:43.47 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 11:44.09 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:44.48 | wols | jflm: /dev/psaux usually works |
| 11:44.57 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 11:45.00 | wols | /dev/input/mice is another choice |
| 11:45.07 | *** join/#debian AfterBurner (n=linux@c93430bb.virtua.com.br) |
| 11:45.18 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@85.195.161.239.satgate.net) |
| 11:45.22 | wols | also you need to turn the machine OFF, then plug in mouse then turn back on. OFF as in "cut the power" |
| 11:45.31 | sourabh | can anyone tell me are there any vmware virtual machines available for debian distro |
| 11:45.49 | cast | sourabh: sure are |
| 11:46.02 | *** join/#debian jakub_ (n=jakub@r3t64.net.upc.cz) |
| 11:46.18 | sourabh | please tell me the link for that |
| 11:46.48 | techbee | sourabh: ask #vmware |
| 11:46.50 | cast | no idea, and am eating dinner so don't want to stfw for you |
| 11:46.50 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:46.57 | sourabh | ok |
| 11:47.00 | sourabh | thanks |
| 11:47.10 | xand | google |
| 11:47.16 | cast | search the virtual appliances catalog |
| 11:48.32 | sourabh | ok |
| 11:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 826] by debhelper |
| 11:50.20 | jan__ | wols: is the psmouse problem becouse i have a SWITCH that is between my mouse connector and the mouse...however the keyboard works its hardware switch |
| 11:52.52 | wols | then use a proper kvm |
| 11:53.14 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 11:54.33 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 11:55.05 | *** join/#debian kuyky (n=kuyky@a81-84-127-196.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 11:55.22 | *** join/#debian infernixx (n=nix@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 11:55.47 | jan__ | wols: yeah kvm...maybe its ps/2->usb adapter issue...I dont have a ps/2 mouse |
| 11:57.13 | *** join/#debian visik7 (n=dksakd@unaffiliated/visik7) |
| 11:57.25 | *** join/#debian Kulu (n=Kulu@mail.sofia.postpath.com) |
| 11:57.26 | *** join/#debian x1r8 (n=x1r8@gcq106.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 11:57.26 | *** join/#debian anderson (n=anderson@200.186.151.58) |
| 11:57.45 | *** part/#debian Kulu (n=Kulu@mail.sofia.postpath.com) |
| 11:59.30 | infinity0 | why do i have a bunch of *~ files on my drive and how do i make programs get rid of them when they close? |
| 12:00.27 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 12:02.28 | *** join/#debian linomix (n=xspider2@82.146.171.51) |
| 12:02.50 | supaman | infinity0: these are probably left over by your editor ... what editor do you use? |
| 12:03.33 | infinity0 | supaman: gedit and nano |
| 12:04.33 | supaman | infinity0: ok .. dont use them myself |
| 12:05.15 | supaman | infinity0: but there should be a configuration that says "delete backups when close" or something like that .. try searching for it on the web |
| 12:05.59 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 12:06.05 | infernixx | vim leaves .filename.swp when you kill it |
| 12:06.09 | infernixx | ~ is probably nano |
| 12:06.19 | *** join/#debian user1__ (n=face@58.251.89.23) |
| 12:07.52 | *** join/#debian NightOat1 (n=Andrew_S@cpc1-nthc10-0-0-cust418.nrth.cable.ntl.com) |
| 12:07.57 | infinity0 | ahh kk |
| 12:08.34 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 12:09.12 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-012.eplus-online.de) |
| 12:09.39 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:10.09 | infinity0 | right i've set up a few virtualhosts but when i start apache2 i get the errors [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts |
| 12:10.15 | infinity0 | i can't find this anywhere... :/ |
| 12:10.50 | infinity0 | oh wait here it is |
| 12:11.26 | *** join/#debian gasbag (n=gasbag@24-181-236-136.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 12:12.20 | *** join/#debian _MDMA_ (n=debian@90.154.192.24) |
| 12:14.14 | *** join/#debian efaistos (i=efaistos@m99.net81-66-191.noos.fr) |
| 12:14.14 | *** join/#debian master_o1_master (n=master_o@p549D4DF8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:14.39 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 12:16.14 | *** join/#debian UngeniO (n=UngeniO@t123124.aiind.upv.es) |
| 12:16.18 | infinity0 | how do i get my system to recognise subdomain.localhost and redirect that to an IP? windows has the HOSTS file, what's it on gnu/linux? |
| 12:16.22 | *** part/#debian UngeniO (n=UngeniO@t123124.aiind.upv.es) |
| 12:16.41 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:17.29 | *** join/#debian deny[all] (n=pdiablo@unaffiliated/denyall/x-000001) |
| 12:17.42 | liable | /etc/hosts strangely enough |
| 12:17.52 | *** join/#debian BUMBACL0T (n=system@ip68-13-212-104.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 12:18.13 | *** join/#debian clausen (n=clausen@82.147.228.12.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 12:18.19 | supaman | oh my god .. .must be a M$/Linux conspiracy ;) |
| 12:18.35 | clausen | Why is my locale set correct when I use the root user, but when I use my normal user he locale is POSIX ? |
| 12:18.38 | cast | i'm kinda impressed windows has a HOSTS file |
| 12:18.52 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 12:19.12 | infinity0 | OOOOOH so that's why windows stores it in /drivers/etc/hosts |
| 12:19.58 | *** join/#debian Kulu (n=Kulu@mail.sofia.postpath.com) |
| 12:20.25 | *** part/#debian Kulu (n=Kulu@mail.sofia.postpath.com) |
| 12:23.45 | infinity0 | so what's up with the # ALL:PARANOID being commented out in etch? |
| 12:24.06 | *** join/#debian DarkCow (n=DarkCow@81-86-66-4.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 12:24.23 | cast | in what? hosts.deny? |
| 12:25.04 | cast | it would be a silly default to have. |
| 12:25.50 | infinity0 | cast: why's that? |
| 12:26.03 | cast | man hosts_access |
| 12:26.57 | *** part/#debian linomix (n=xspider2@82.146.171.51) |
| 12:27.14 | *** join/#debian aliumalik (i=aliumali@spnp217083.spnp.nus.edu.sg) |
| 12:27.15 | *** join/#debian edistar_ (n=edwinloc@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 12:29.36 | Internat | whats the best cmdline gui type nat/firewall setup type application? i currently use narc, but its a flat file that i edit, and then reload which i dont really like.. any other recomendations? |
| 12:29.57 | cast | i like shorewall |
| 12:30.09 | cast | whats better than editing a text file and reloading? :D |
| 12:30.27 | infernixx | i use vi |
| 12:30.30 | infinity0 | what uid/gip does the php engine run as? need to give it perms to write stuff... |
| 12:30.50 | Internat | the way narc work just bugs me a bit :) |
| 12:30.53 | cast | probably the same as apache? |
| 12:30.56 | infernixx | there's ipcop but i've no idea if that frontend can be ran standalone |
| 12:31.00 | Internat | shorewall cmdline frontend? |
| 12:31.14 | cast | ipcop is an entire distro |
| 12:31.18 | Internat | err does shorewall have a cmdline frontend? |
| 12:31.21 | cast | shorewall is a bunch of text files :) |
| 12:31.24 | Internat | like ncurses |
| 12:31.25 | Internat | oh.. |
| 12:31.39 | cast | i don't know of any ncurses. |
| 12:31.42 | Eulex | Internat, yes, it's called vim :P |
| 12:31.55 | Internat | ... |
| 12:32.22 | mesut | firehol is pretty good,and easy to setup |
| 12:32.28 | *** part/#debian mesut (n=power@tuxhacker/mesut) |
| 12:33.37 | *** join/#debian Spot8315 (n=Spot@schloesser.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 12:33.44 | *** join/#debian byteshack (n=dansan@c-69-254-83-10.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 12:34.44 | *** join/#debian skandaleras (n=luiz@gsyc049.dat.escet.urjc.es) |
| 12:34.45 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:34.51 | cast | firehol was good in that it was really, really simple |
| 12:35.03 | *** join/#debian gangsterlicious (n=terii@12.110.209.75) |
| 12:35.25 | Internat | might take a gander at that |
| 12:35.25 | byteshack | anyone know why when I run "screen", the terminal that gets started doesn't source my .bashrc? |
| 12:38.14 | *** join/#debian dimir (n=dimir@pc.htk.fi) |
| 12:38.52 | *** join/#debian smica (n=smica@213.253.222.179) |
| 12:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 817] by debhelper |
| 12:39.05 | *** join/#debian Spot5588 (n=Spot@Primus.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 12:39.25 | *** join/#debian smica (n=smica@213.253.222.179) |
| 12:39.25 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:39.29 | dpkg | elnovato | bah,m finally i undestood Jedit is the best IDE ever ever |
| 12:39.37 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 12:39.56 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 12:40.05 | cast | shit, forgot how to complete words/lines/files in vim :\ |
| 12:40.46 | *** join/#debian ice63 (n=gary@c-68-43-229-173.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 12:40.54 | *** join/#debian NoFX_SBC (n=nofxsbc@c9066c1e.virtua.com.br) |
| 12:41.02 | *** join/#debian JoKo (n=not@dsl-254-126.diodos-gsrt-gr.duth.gr) |
| 12:41.04 | cast | C-n ! |
| 12:41.14 | *** join/#debian moyix (n=moyix@pool-151-203-197-93.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:42.57 | *** join/#debian nik11 (n=niko@cht33-1-82-228-78-181.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:43.09 | *** join/#debian basix (n=basix@unaffiliated/basix) |
| 12:46.28 | *** join/#debian Absolute0 (n=ramin@pool-71-247-140-137.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:47.34 | Absolute0 | how do i get wireless connection on my laptop? |
| 12:47.44 | *** join/#debian curtisk (n=curtisk@unaffiliated/braintix) |
| 12:48.12 | *** part/#debian todsah (n=todsah@electricmonk.nl) |
| 12:48.14 | liable | by searching google for whatever chipset it has |
| 12:48.21 | *** join/#debian wakejagr (i=cael@unaffiliated/wakejagr) |
| 12:48.29 | *** join/#debian AfterBurner (n=linux@c93430bb.virtua.com.br) |
| 12:48.51 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 12:49.09 | Absolute0 | i am gonna try networkmanager first |
| 12:49.24 | *** join/#debian Hammar (i=frank@dipb140993.dig-prov.de) |
| 12:49.27 | *** join/#debian efaistos1 (i=efaistos@m99.net81-66-191.noos.fr) |
| 12:50.08 | liable | unlikely that its a card that works out of the box. but go ahead. |
| 12:50.18 | *** join/#debian mkhl (i=mkhl@200-153-181-246.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 12:50.36 | Absolute0 | is there a nice wiki for this issue? |
| 12:50.40 | *** join/#debian axscode (n=axscode@203.213.217.123) |
| 12:51.19 | liable | like i said, find out what kind of card it is first, then see if there's a project thats supporting it. |
| 12:51.30 | axscode | hi guys, where is the global SET variable for $PATH in debian? i want to add path but must be including during bootup. |
| 12:51.31 | Absolute0 | oh ok |
| 12:51.33 | axscode | anyone please. |
| 12:51.39 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@U10b1.u.pppool.de) |
| 12:52.13 | liable | /etc/profile |
| 12:52.19 | Absolute0 | great lshwd doesnt come standard with debain, what kind of distro doesnt come with lshwd?!?! |
| 12:52.23 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 12:52.27 | Hammar | so... as far as linux usability of laptops go, lenovo can be charaterised as...? |
| 12:52.29 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 12:52.43 | *** join/#debian deisys (i=deisys@147.46.239.103) |
| 12:52.48 | liable | Hammar: check linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil |
| 12:52.55 | liable | Hammar: there thinkpads are ok ;) |
| 12:53.05 | liable | s/there/their/ |
| 12:54.41 | sohmestra | Absolute0: what kind of distro _does_ come with lshwd. What is it? |
| 12:55.48 | *** join/#debian fastputty (n=dsadsads@modemcable046.76-70-69.static.videotron.ca) |
| 12:55.55 | Eulex | Absolute0, are you referring to lshw? |
| 12:55.57 | fastputty | is there anther program simular to nmap ? |
| 12:56.00 | Absolute0 | good |
| 12:56.00 | Absolute0 | what do i use on debian instead of lshwd? |
| 12:56.00 | Absolute0 | ? |
| 12:56.00 | Absolute0 | its not in the repo'ss either |
| 12:56.00 | *** kick/#debian [Absolute0!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 12:56.22 | *** join/#debian Esaj (n=jason@217.64.122.217) |
| 12:56.22 | *** join/#debian streuner (n=streuner@p54A5D33E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:56.23 | *** join/#debian x600 (n=x603@host-81-190-148-25.olsztyn.mm.pl) |
| 12:56.59 | axscode | last question |
| 12:57.22 | *** part/#debian byteshack (n=dansan@c-69-254-83-10.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 12:57.38 | *** join/#debian Absolute0 (n=ramin@pool-71-247-140-137.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:57.44 | axscode | im using bash, how to set add string to $PATH? is this correct? export $PATH="$PATH:/usr/local/mysql/bin" |
| 12:57.58 | liable | axscode: yep |
| 12:58.09 | Absolute0 | sorry i got disconnected |
| 12:58.15 | liable | axscode: lshw is in the repos, lspci is in pci-utils |
| 12:58.22 | Absolute0 | oh hw |
| 12:58.29 | Absolute0 | on arch its called lshwd |
| 12:58.30 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 12:58.35 | sohmestra | Absolute0: i've never heard of lshwd before, but it sounds as if it's a replacement for hotplug, which should in turn be superceded by udev |
| 12:58.35 | Absolute0 | thanks |
| 12:58.58 | Absolute0 | is there a gui editor for .Xdefaults? |
| 12:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 824] by debhelper |
| 12:59.02 | liable | Absolute0: lspci is usually good enough for what you need to know |
| 12:59.37 | Eulex | Absolute0, gvim? |
| 12:59.53 | Absolute0 | i meant with drop down boxes ;) |
| 12:59.54 | Absolute0 | nevermind |
| 13:00.10 | Absolute0 | i can't get my urxvt to display in black :-P |
| 13:00.11 | infinity0 | I have directory / set to "deny from all" in apache2.... will this affect PHP writing to the filesystem? |
| 13:00.25 | Absolute0 | even though i tried both black and #FFFFF |
| 13:00.39 | sohmestra | infinity0: no. |
| 13:00.53 | Absolute0 | anyways my wireless card is Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20) |
| 13:00.58 | *** join/#debian TheDreamer (n=youri@root.dyndns.org) |
| 13:01.35 | infinity0 | k... well i have 644 permissions with uid=infinity0 on the relevant directories... do i need to make them 666 or something for php to write to them? |
| 13:01.49 | liable | !realtek |
| 13:01.50 | dpkg | it has been said that realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html, or <rtl-wifi> |
| 13:02.19 | Eulex | Absolute0, congratz on using ndiswrapper. |
| 13:02.23 | liable | !rtl-wifi |
| 13:02.23 | dpkg | well, rtl-wifi is the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. The main page is at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/, see http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for installation instructions. |
| 13:02.28 | *** join/#debian tosh (n=tosh@86.39.130.235) |
| 13:02.36 | sohmestra | infinity0: php will run with the same permissions as the apache webserver, so you need to give www-data user or group write permission on the file/directories you want to be able to write to. |
| 13:03.01 | liable | Eulex: i thought the realtek chips were open? or are the drivers crap? |
| 13:03.08 | tosh | im trying to get a nic interface alias up but when I try ifconfig eth0:1 up <ip> netmask <mask> I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address. any ideas? |
| 13:03.35 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 13:03.36 | Eulex | liable, hmm, might have changed since I was trying to make my 8180 work... |
| 13:03.39 | infinity0 | sohmestra: aha ok |
| 13:03.58 | streuner | i installed a new 1 GB (RAM) chip, that bitch works just fine, but only in 98 it doesnt run fine with C&C, what could that be? |
| 13:03.59 | axscode | nehpets:/# export $PATH="/usr/local/mysql/bin" |
| 13:04.00 | axscode | bash: export: `/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin=/usr/local/mysql/bin': not a valid identifier |
| 13:04.08 | *** join/#debian ykwok (n=ykwok@221.239.149.164) |
| 13:04.11 | axscode | not a valid identifier? meaning? |
| 13:04.16 | axscode | ahh PATH |
| 13:04.16 | axscode | ok thanks |
| 13:04.18 | infinity0 | is there some utility like task manager in windows, in debian? |
| 13:04.29 | streuner | sure 98 is crap, what else could that be? |
| 13:04.33 | petemc | infinity0: ps |
| 13:04.38 | liable | htop |
| 13:04.49 | axscode | ps -x |
| 13:05.37 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@ip67-93-222-40.z222-93-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 13:05.37 | *** join/#debian Noven (n=Noven@ip72-208-111-163.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 13:05.38 | liable | streuner: whats C&C ? |
| 13:05.41 | *** join/#debian Falkon (n=Falkon@c-71-207-214-204.hsd1.al.comcast.net) |
| 13:05.51 | streuner | liable: Command & Conquer |
| 13:05.54 | abrotman | Command & Conquer |
| 13:06.00 | liable | a game? |
| 13:06.36 | cahoot | a dream |
| 13:06.49 | streuner | liable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_%26_Conquer_series |
| 13:07.02 | sohmestra | infinity0: top (commandline) |
| 13:07.14 | liable | htop ftw |
| 13:07.35 | *** join/#debian zepmantra (n=syet@125.212.110.114) |
| 13:07.48 | zepmantra | is there anyway i can download 4.0 r0 kde disc 1 ... need it badly |
| 13:08.11 | liable | hrm, would s.d.o have it? |
| 13:08.16 | liable | or archives |
| 13:08.24 | liable | zepmantra: why do you need the r0 one? |
| 13:08.26 | sohmestra | zepmantra: use the internet, and a browser? |
| 13:08.37 | zepmantra | mirriors are not available |
| 13:08.48 | zepmantra | 4.0 rc1 only |
| 13:09.06 | liable | zepmantra: so use the r1 and use apt-cdrom |
| 13:09.15 | liable | zepmantra: no, r1, not rc1 |
| 13:09.55 | Jemt | Greetz. Is there some easy way I can extract the resolution from the following string? Resolution: 1024x768@60Hz (Note: I ONLY want the resolution, not the refresh rate. Result: 1024x768 :) Must be possible using some console "cutting" tool |
| 13:10.16 | Eulex | sed! |
| 13:10.32 | liable | zepmantra: |
| 13:10.46 | liable | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/debian-update-4.0r1-i386-CD-1.iso ?? |
| 13:11.00 | liable | i dont really know wtf those cd's are. |
| 13:11.10 | liable | but looks like a likely candidate |
| 13:11.24 | zepmantra | i need r0 |
| 13:11.30 | liable | why? |
| 13:11.30 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu) |
| 13:11.45 | zepmantra | for the manual i have created for debian students |
| 13:11.46 | sohmestra | Jemt: cut -d: -f 2- |cut -d@ -f1 |
| 13:11.52 | *** join/#debian taime1 (n=pedro@ip68-102-157-78.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 13:12.07 | zepmantra | unfortunately my iso of kde r0 d1 does not boot at all, |
| 13:12.20 | Jemt | sohmestra: Thanks! :D |
| 13:12.34 | taime1 | how does one empty trash as root? im running nautilus as root, but in the trash directory, under the file menu, 'empty trash' is grayed out... |
| 13:12.37 | liable | zepmantra: theres nothing that will be different execpt package versions |
| 13:12.51 | zepmantra | ok ill download the other one instead |
| 13:13.04 | abrotman | zepmantra: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/?fl= |
| 13:13.09 | *** join/#debian jerryus (n=billy_24@0x5552b452.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 13:13.15 | abrotman | zepmantra: though it's subject to multiple security issues |
| 13:13.25 | techbee | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:13.28 | abrotman | zepmantra: and really you sohuld use 4.0r1 |
| 13:13.28 | zepmantra | ic |
| 13:13.45 | *** join/#debian nrl (n=nrl@pdpc/supporter/student/nrl) |
| 13:13.54 | Jemt | techbee: Oh, fancy too. Thanks :) |
| 13:14.01 | *** join/#debian nkuttler_ (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-224-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:14.06 | tarzeau | is this free? http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/chombovis/license-folded-at-80.txt |
| 13:14.17 | zepmantra | coz in the past i have created a semi manual about apt tecnology for 3.0 r0 then when the students use 3.0 rX some installs setup are now different |
| 13:14.18 | *** join/#debian CheekyBoinc (n=foobar@p50920137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:14.35 | abrotman | they shouldn't be |
| 13:14.44 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 13:15.06 | sohmestra | techbee: that would include the "Resolution:" part as well. Jemt doesn't want that, I don't believe. |
| 13:15.14 | Jemt | True |
| 13:15.20 | Jemt | I only want "1024x768" |
| 13:15.29 | Jemt | Without the quotes of cause |
| 13:15.53 | Jemt | sohmestra: Can't get your solution to work either |
| 13:15.56 | Falkon | Jemt: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 13:16.01 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@pD9EEE23A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:16.07 | Jemt | Falkon: ? |
| 13:16.07 | techbee | sohmestra : ah, i miss that point |
| 13:16.15 | Jemt | Falkon: What I'm looking for? |
| 13:16.18 | Jemt | Falkon: Nothing :p |
| 13:16.21 | sohmestra | Jemt: you'll have to prefix mine with: echo "the string here" |
| 13:16.25 | wols | tarzeau: looks like a "Normal" BSD license with more boilerplate? |
| 13:16.40 | tarzeau | wols: ack |
| 13:16.41 | Falkon | Jemt: are you trying to lock into one resolution in X? |
| 13:16.41 | infinity0 | petemc, sohmestrah: ahh cheers |
| 13:17.01 | tarzeau | wols: and their download directory is a big mess with about 21 files |
| 13:17.23 | *** join/#debian AbsintheSyringe (n=havoc@89.146.190.22) |
| 13:17.35 | sohmestra | Jemt: like so: echo "Resolution: 1024x768@60Hz" |cut -d: -f2- |cut -d@ -f1 |
| 13:17.42 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 13:17.44 | Jemt | Falkon: Nope, trying to determine which resolution a given computer supports best using hwinfo :) |
| 13:17.48 | tarzeau | wols: at least their dependency exists in debian: libvtk |
| 13:17.49 | Jemt | sohmestra: Oh :) |
| 13:18.21 | TbbW | is there any way to get the % of cpu load in debian without using top ? |
| 13:18.23 | techbee | Jemt: echo "Resolution: 1024x768@60Hz" | awk '{print $2}' | awk -F "@" '{print $1}' |
| 13:18.38 | Jemt | Thanks :) |
| 13:18.48 | TbbW | like if i wuld want to grep it ( i want to make alil status pic in the end ) |
| 13:18.50 | *** join/#debian pringat (n=roger@71.pool62-37-87.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 13:19.04 | *** join/#debian Superbartt (n=bart@ipd50a21c9.speed.planet.nl) |
| 13:19.18 | Absolute0 | so i should use rtl-wifi 8139too or ndiswrapper? |
| 13:19.27 | Jemt | sohmestra: I don't understand the "-f 2-" part. What does it do ? |
| 13:19.32 | *** join/#debian slidesinger (n=jtatum@static-70-106-127-111.pskn.east.verizon.net) |
| 13:19.49 | Falkon | WOAH, okay, my nvidia-kernel build just died. Logs say: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' <===<< andyone know how to fix this? |
| 13:20.02 | liable | Absolute0: try the rtl one first. |
| 13:20.09 | Jemt | sohmestra: Also, I get a whitespace in front of my resolution |
| 13:20.15 | Absolute0 | alright |
| 13:20.48 | liable | Absolute0: more people that use the open drivers and report bugs and such, the better they get :) |
| 13:20.54 | *** join/#debian aq_quorum (n=aqua-q@e181000104.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 13:21.04 | liable | in theory, if they have active devs.. |
| 13:21.11 | sohmestra | techbee: if you're using awk, you may as well do it all in one invocation: echo "Resolution: 1024x768@60Hz" |awk '{ split($2,a,"@"); print a[1] }' |
| 13:21.41 | techbee | sohmestra:thanks:) |
| 13:21.56 | *** join/#debian PyVir (n=PyVir@82-69-10-170.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 13:23.02 | kryptoz | hi all :) ... |
| 13:23.04 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p54BF0A53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:24.33 | *** join/#debian alex_ (n=joe@62-249-237-101.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 13:26.08 | *** join/#debian OXIj (n=oxij@ppp91-122-40-228.pppoe.avangard-dsl.ru) |
| 13:26.35 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 13:26.35 | *** join/#debian moyix (n=moyix@66.170.231.190) |
| 13:26.39 | OXIj | can kvm be used without a GUI? it reguies qemu and i have only tty |
| 13:28.15 | Eulex | qemu does not require a gui |
| 13:29.59 | Jemt | Hm, now.. Is it possible to replace a string within a file using a console tool ? |
| 13:30.20 | *** join/#debian lekram (i=xphl@rbi0332.giga-dns.com) |
| 13:30.34 | *** join/#debian slap (n=face@58.251.93.228) |
| 13:30.44 | liable | sed |
| 13:30.57 | *** join/#debian funjay (i=jeff@58.41.166.135) |
| 13:31.09 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 13:31.34 | OXIj | Eulex, hm |
| 13:31.35 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 13:32.09 | OXIj | every time i have launched it its opened new X window |
| 13:32.10 | Jemt | liable: Thanks |
| 13:32.43 | Eulex | OXIj, -nographic |
| 13:33.11 | OXIj | Eulex, thx. ill try |
| 13:33.24 | funjay | can anyone answer me a question about cfdisk |
| 13:34.15 | cahoot | funjay, not unless you put the question |
| 13:34.17 | Eulex | just ask. if anyone knows the answer, he/she will answer. |
| 13:35.10 | *** join/#debian TiffOn (n=TiffOn@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 13:35.15 | funjay | when i run cfdisk,it shows " FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 7: enlarged logical partitions overlap" |
| 13:36.15 | *** join/#debian dante_2core (n=dante@80-219-138-109.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 13:36.16 | Falkon | man the whole breaking nvidia drivers in testing thing is getting old. |
| 13:36.36 | Jemt | Hm, how do I load the content of a file into a variable (Shell Scripting) ? |
| 13:36.48 | *** join/#debian Illusia (n=burdicda@dialup-4.235.0.38.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) |
| 13:36.50 | Falkon | this time, it was the kernel crap, so I get to run the unstable kernel, yay |
| 13:37.01 | Illusia | wow what a herd |
| 13:37.13 | supaman | Jemt: var = $(cat file) ?? |
| 13:37.21 | Jemt | Ah, that easy :p |
| 13:37.23 | Jemt | Thanks, supaman |
| 13:37.32 | supaman | Jemt: think it should work .. not sure |
| 13:37.38 | Jemt | I'll give it a try :) |
| 13:37.45 | wols | Jemt: #bash ? |
| 13:37.55 | *** part/#debian funjay (i=jeff@58.41.166.135) |
| 13:37.56 | Jemt | wols: Yep |
| 13:38.06 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 13:38.19 | wols | funky: sounds like you fscked up your partition table |
| 13:38.20 | *** join/#debian harpal (n=kohinoor@124.125.254.227) |
| 13:38.37 | wols | damn, he's already gone |
| 13:38.51 | harpal | how to mount ntfs system in write mod? |
| 13:38.59 | Jemt | Ah, found out :) |
| 13:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 832] by debhelper |
| 13:39.01 | wols | harpal: FUSE |
| 13:39.03 | Eulex | harpal, use ntfs-3g |
| 13:39.05 | wols | !ntfs |
| 13:39.05 | dpkg | ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. Start reading at http://www.linux-ntfs.org/. For the kernel driver, you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsro>, <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> ... the latter is obsoletish. |
| 13:39.13 | wols | ntfs-3g it is |
| 13:39.15 | Jemt | cat /file/path | do some editing > filetosaveto.txt |
| 13:39.18 | Jemt | More or less |
| 13:39.33 | *** join/#debian promag (n=jpaulo@83.240.231.193) |
| 13:39.40 | wols | Jemt: use a real language. python, perl, ruby, php, etc :) |
| 13:39.52 | Jemt | wols: Have to keep it small :p |
| 13:40.01 | *** join/#debian Maerz (n=anonym00@pD9EEE23A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:40.02 | wols | what you pasted crawls my toes |
| 13:40.03 | promag | hi all |
| 13:40.03 | Jemt | wols: I don't got disk space to spare |
| 13:40.11 | promag | my system: Linux DPXIF-600 2.6.22-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:24:01 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:40.13 | Jemt | wols: Why is that ? |
| 13:40.16 | Jemt | wols: It works :) |
| 13:40.17 | wols | Jemt: perl comes with every debian. always |
| 13:40.21 | wols | so no diskspace wasted |
| 13:40.25 | Jemt | wols: Ah, true :) |
| 13:40.29 | promag | can't get video1394 module :S |
| 13:40.29 | Absolute0 | i am following this wiki http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu but when i type make install i get this error: make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. i tried to run make first but didnt help. |
| 13:40.34 | Absolute0 | any suggestions? |
| 13:40.34 | Jemt | wols: But what's wrong with my solution ? |
| 13:40.42 | supaman | Jemt: dont listen to him .. bash scripting rules! ;) |
| 13:40.50 | *** join/#debian x600 (n=x603@host-81-190-148-25.olsztyn.mm.pl) |
| 13:40.54 | Jemt | supaman: Heh e:) |
| 13:41.01 | promag | anyone tried to setup a firewire camera in debian? |
| 13:41.05 | wols | Jemt: stream editing like this looks like the 70s. we aren't in the 70s anymor |
| 13:41.05 | *** part/#debian Illusia (n=burdicda@dialup-4.235.0.38.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) |
| 13:41.14 | Jemt | wols: Hehe :p |
| 13:41.16 | Jemt | True |
| 13:41.49 | Eulex | also, that way probably isn't very efficient... you're sending data between three processes |
| 13:41.53 | supaman | Jemt: technology developed in the 70s and still works has gone through must better debugging then newer technology .. go with the old ones ;) |
| 13:42.08 | *** join/#debian apt_get (n=Crazy__@201-67-148-57.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 13:42.10 | apt_get | Hi |
| 13:42.29 | *** join/#debian Skiessi (n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-fe88fb00-133.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 13:42.35 | wols | supaman: why are you running new, unsecure and bug ridden linux then? |
| 13:42.40 | Jemt | supaman: Well, also, this is a quite simple script - I would prefer something Object Oriented if I was working with a hugh system :) |
| 13:42.43 | apt_get | If I want to edit ip rule default table... when is the best time to do that in debian init? |
| 13:42.48 | Eulex | Jemt, if you use sed, it can do inline editing in a file. that is, sed -i expression file.txt |
| 13:42.50 | wols | I mean, it's not even 10 years old! |
| 13:42.59 | supaman | wols: hehehe ... just pulling your leg man ;) |
| 13:43.00 | Jemt | Eulex: Great. Thanks :) |
| 13:43.10 | *** join/#debian esaym (n=user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 13:43.18 | wols | apt_get: define "ip rule" |
| 13:43.22 | Eulex | Jemt, also, most such editing tools can at least directly edit a file, no need for the cat |
| 13:43.31 | Jemt | Okay :) |
| 13:43.40 | Eulex | Jemt, emh, *directly read a file |
| 13:44.13 | *** join/#debian sunway (n=sunway_b@124.64.68.69) |
| 13:44.19 | Absolute0 | i am following this wiki http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu but when i type make install i get this error: make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. i tried to run make first but didnt help. |
| 13:44.21 | Jemt | Hm, why can't I do this in a shell script? myVariable = someLinuxCommand -arg0 -arg1 -etc |
| 13:44.29 | apt_get | wols: with 'ip rule' command, i have this line "32767: from all lookup default" |
| 13:44.39 | apt_get | i need to change this to "32769: from all lookup default" |
| 13:44.41 | wols | apt_get: generally network is defined in /etc/network/interfaces. you can load custom scripts dealing with your interfaces there |
| 13:44.44 | sunway | whick package contained the file "libgtkembedmoz.so"? |
| 13:44.51 | cydork | Jemt: you can. |
| 13:45.00 | cydork | Jemt: read man bash :) |
| 13:45.03 | Jemt | cyberjames: Dosn't work for me |
| 13:45.15 | apt_get | yes.. I can put a up ip rule del table default ; ip rule add table default prio 32769 |
| 13:45.16 | wols | apt_get: is this a default gatweay in a very strange way to show it? |
| 13:45.18 | supaman | Jemt: have to have $() around the executable |
| 13:45.26 | cydork | Jemt: it won't work like that. you need $() or `` |
| 13:45.27 | Jemt | 2 sec |
| 13:45.28 | Jemt | BRB |
| 13:45.30 | apt_get | but, when this will executed? in eth0up? eth1up? |
| 13:45.37 | techbee | sunway:man apt-file |
| 13:45.39 | sunway | i'm using acroreader 8.1, libgtkembedmoz.so is needed, but i can't find where it is |
| 13:45.40 | *** join/#debian MarcusHughes_ (n=MarcusHu@89.242.113.250) |
| 13:45.42 | harpal | wols: in debian repository no package ntfs-3g? |
| 13:45.43 | wols | apt_get: do it in a post_up or whatever it's called script from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:45.51 | wols | !tell harpal about ntfs-3g |
| 13:46.30 | wols | harpal: http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g |
| 13:46.39 | harpal | ok |
| 13:46.39 | Eulex | harpal, only in testing and unstable. |
| 13:47.00 | Eulex | and, well, etch-backports. |
| 13:47.21 | Falkon | god.... ERG, nvidia-glx-legacy is completely broken |
| 13:47.41 | harpal | I have etch installed so can I use etch-backports? |
| 13:48.11 | promag | anyone tried to setup a firewire webcam in debian? |
| 13:48.16 | *** join/#debian hash_ (n=hash@c92526ec.rjo.virtua.com.br) |
| 13:48.27 | wols | Falkon: worked for me |
| 13:48.39 | Falkon | are you running testing? |
| 13:48.47 | liable | stupid site that resize browsers |
| 13:48.48 | liable | grr |
| 13:48.52 | wols | no. etch witht he one needing legacy |
| 13:49.09 | wols | and if you run non stable, you deserve what you get or fix your stuff yourself |
| 13:49.14 | wols | it'S testing for a reason |
| 13:49.25 | Falkon | testing != unstable |
| 13:49.34 | liable | its worse at times |
| 13:50.17 | Falkon | the testing kernel 2.6.20 and .21 don't work work with the nvidia source, but that can be fixed. This is is an issue of an unmet dependency that is actually met |
| 13:50.47 | Falkon | well, I have an nvidia kernel driver, but I can't install nvidia-glx now |
| 13:50.53 | *** join/#debian gener1c (n=solekill@unaffiliated/gener1c) |
| 13:52.47 | Falkon | looks like I get to use the wonderful nv driver and wait a few months for them to fix the problem |
| 13:53.08 | cast | the nv driver does good :) |
| 13:53.24 | liable | no shinies! |
| 13:53.41 | cast | !vrms |
| 13:53.41 | dpkg | from memory, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 13:53.55 | apt_get | wols, how to execute a script in interfaces, whatever if eth0 or eth1 or eth2 going UP? |
| 13:54.02 | *** join/#debian |dennis| (n=dennis@200.32.236.18) |
| 13:54.32 | null | one question, what is the way to start the second kernel if the first fails on grub? |
| 13:55.09 | *** join/#debian bmr_ (n=bmr@hagbard.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 13:55.27 | null | I think that if I am not use initrd on debian kernel, it fails |
| 13:55.33 | wols | apt_get: man interfaces |
| 13:55.37 | apt_get | ok thanks |
| 13:55.39 | promag | !video1394 |
| 13:55.53 | wols | null: why can't you use initrd? |
| 13:56.27 | *** join/#debian Chascon (n=chatzill@pc-110-100-83-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 13:57.53 | Jemt | Back |
| 13:58.11 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher) |
| 13:58.13 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 13:58.15 | Jemt | ah, ok - thanks, supaman and cydork |
| 13:59.59 | sunway | could the scripts in /etc/rcX.d run or not according to the state of the previous one? say S1&&S2 or S1||S2. the current model seems to be S1;S2 |
| 14:00.23 | *** join/#debian mick_work (n=clamwin@adsl-074-164-067-078.sip.bct.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:00.38 | *** join/#debian esaym (n=user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 14:00.42 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 14:00.46 | *** join/#debian Youri (n=youri@root.dyndns.org) |
| 14:01.02 | *** join/#debian Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable138.202-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 14:01.04 | *** join/#debian Duddle (n=Duddle@pool-37-22-196-89.dbd-ipconnect.net) |
| 14:01.46 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:01.52 | *** join/#debian relaxed (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) |
| 14:02.17 | Jemt | Hm, it still dosn't work. myVar = `cat file` echo $myVar |
| 14:02.22 | Jemt | What's wrong ? |
| 14:02.26 | *** join/#debian paddor (n=paddor@102-151.2-85.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 14:02.30 | paddor | how change $PWD for a command line in crontab? |
| 14:02.34 | *** join/#debian icatorze (n=icatorze@unaffiliated/icatorze) |
| 14:03.20 | supaman | Jemt: I allways have beeter success with $() |
| 14:03.29 | supaman | better even |
| 14:03.43 | *** join/#debian Bronsky (n=lionel@yoo.dyndns.org) |
| 14:03.46 | Bronsky | hi ! |
| 14:03.57 | Bronsky | i have problem with my hdc DVD writer |
| 14:04.10 | Bronsky | Sep 14 13:00:20 simpson kernel: hdc: DMA timeout retry |
| 14:04.20 | Bronsky | Sep 14 13:00:20 simpson kernel: hdc: timeout waiting for DMA |
| 14:04.30 | Bronsky | Sep 14 13:01:24 simpson kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 14:04.31 | Jemt | supaman: Still dosn't work; ./resolution.sh: line 3: res: command not found |
| 14:04.46 | Bronsky | Sep 14 13:01:48 simpson kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recog |
| 14:04.46 | Bronsky | nize! |
| 14:04.52 | Bronsky | Somebody can help me ? |
| 14:04.54 | cydork | Jemt: also there is #bash |
| 14:05.01 | Jemt | cydork: Thanks :) |
| 14:05.06 | *** join/#debian frosch (n=wk@N518P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 14:05.07 | *** join/#debian xerophyte_ (i=xerophyt@CPE00195b0cd64f-CM014310117547.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 14:05.14 | Bronsky | i thinked it's DVD writer device problem so i change it ! |
| 14:05.18 | Bronsky | same problem |
| 14:05.57 | Bronsky | my hdd DVD-ROM is on the same cable and not problem for it |
| 14:06.07 | Bronsky | so i'm loosed |
| 14:06.57 | abrotman | lost |
| 14:07.15 | Bronsky | sorry i'm french people :) |
| 14:07.16 | abrotman | maybe enable DMA for the device ? |
| 14:07.18 | abrotman | !fr |
| 14:07.19 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:07.37 | null | ti start a custom kernel on debian sarge, do I need a initrd image? if so, how can build a custom one? |
| 14:07.40 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:07.46 | Bronsky | i find more help here and i understand english a little :) |
| 14:07.51 | frosch | null: no |
| 14:08.01 | petemc | null: only if the kernel was compiled to use an initrd |
| 14:08.09 | cast | Bronsky: i forgive you |
| 14:08.10 | frosch | null: most certainly not, if you not using iSCSI |
| 14:08.23 | null | frosch: I am using a custom kernel, and the server is remote, but I have a kernel panic |
| 14:08.24 | Bronsky | abrotman, i try to append DMA for it |
| 14:08.37 | Codenut | hey gang |
| 14:08.42 | null | frosch: so what is the only line that I need to put it then? |
| 14:08.55 | petemc | null: there are a few reasons an initrd may be required |
| 14:08.58 | *** join/#debian bluesceada_ (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 14:09.24 | *** join/#debian tsurko (n=tsurko@213.91.216.130) |
| 14:09.33 | Bronsky | cast, i say a stupid thing ? :) |
| 14:09.43 | null | kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.19.2-grsec root=/dev/hda2 ro |
| 14:09.44 | Codenut | How do I have debian send another tty to another monitor using a separate video card? |
| 14:09.48 | null | petemc: how to create one? |
| 14:09.48 | *** join/#debian adelgado (n=adelgado@198.105.45.122) |
| 14:09.55 | petemc | null: mkinitramfs |
| 14:10.03 | *** part/#debian sunway (n=sunway_b@124.64.68.69) |
| 14:10.27 | null | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.30 | adelgado | hi all need some help? what is the right command to add an existing group to be part of another group ? |
| 14:10.36 | petemc | null: dont use mkinitrd |
| 14:10.42 | null | ah sorry |
| 14:10.55 | adelgado | ive look at the man pages for groupadd but i dont see it |
| 14:10.56 | frosch | adelgado: vi, SCRN |
| 14:11.10 | null | petemc: mkinitramfs it is installed by default? |
| 14:11.33 | frosch | adelgado: addgroup |
| 14:11.38 | *** join/#debian p-a-v (n=user@210.211.183.228) |
| 14:11.39 | petemc | null: not sure, if not its not hard to install it |
| 14:11.52 | *** join/#debian SamuraiDio (n=diovani@189-10-153-187.paebv701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 14:11.58 | null | petemc: why no to use initrd? |
| 14:11.59 | liable | can you add groups to groups? |
| 14:12.08 | adelgado | sort of |
| 14:12.12 | SamuraiDio | please, how do i set the default apps for some files? |
| 14:12.15 | frosch | adelgado: and adduser are frontends to the lowlever useradd/groupadd tools |
| 14:12.15 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: in what? |
| 14:12.22 | petemc | null: its deprecated, doesnt work properly with newer kernsl |
| 14:12.29 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, system wide |
| 14:12.42 | abrotman | how are you opening them |
| 14:12.48 | adelgado | so say i wan to add testgroup to everonegroup |
| 14:12.53 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i used early a command to set the default webbrowser |
| 14:13.01 | abrotman | update-alternatives ? |
| 14:13.13 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, yeah, i think |
| 14:13.41 | *** join/#debian Absolute0 (n=ramin@pool-71-247-140-137.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:13.56 | Absolute0 | how do i run gnome networkmanager? |
| 14:14.08 | *** part/#debian apt_get (n=Crazy__@201-67-148-57.bnut3702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 14:14.12 | Absolute0 | or in general how do i check what exactly apt-get installs? |
| 14:14.22 | *** join/#debian BudgetDedicated (n=BudgetDe@dhcp-077-248-146-139.chello.nl) |
| 14:14.45 | liable | Absolute0: it runs as an applet afaik |
| 14:15.03 | Absolute0 | so what do i do to run it? |
| 14:15.05 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, i use thunar as file manager, and always set the default app for some files on it, but after some debian update it goes back to the default |
| 14:15.09 | Absolute0 | open it in firefox? |
| 14:15.15 | liable | Absolute0: it runs at boot |
| 14:15.25 | Absolute0 | ugh |
| 14:15.33 | liable | Absolute0: look in your taskbar thing for a little networky kind of thing |
| 14:15.42 | Absolute0 | how do i connecy to a network? |
| 14:15.49 | Absolute0 | i installed rtl-wifi |
| 14:15.54 | Absolute0 | its not there |
| 14:16.02 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, like my video files, i use'em on mplayer, but after an update they're opened by totem, until i set'em back to mplayer |
| 14:16.25 | liable | Absolute0: did it compile ok? |
| 14:16.31 | Absolute0 | i think so |
| 14:16.39 | liable | !think |
| 14:16.39 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 14:16.45 | Absolute0 | haha |
| 14:16.52 | Absolute0 | well the first one didnt |
| 14:16.59 | Absolute0 | so i did it with the other stable version |
| 14:17.01 | Absolute0 | and it did.. |
| 14:17.08 | *** join/#debian aliumalik (i=aliumali@spnp217083.spnp.nus.edu.sg) |
| 14:17.08 | liable | Absolute0: is the module loaded? |
| 14:17.23 | null | petemc: I get this error |
| 14:17.25 | null | mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.19.2-grsec initrd.img-2.6.19.2-grsec |
| 14:17.26 | null | Cannot find /lib/modules/initrd.img-2.6.19.2-grsec |
| 14:17.34 | Absolute0 | lsmod? |
| 14:17.37 | adelgado | whe i run groupadd it says the group already exists |
| 14:17.46 | wols | null: why aren't you using kernel-package? |
| 14:17.48 | liable | yes |
| 14:17.55 | liable | Absolute0: check dmesg also |
| 14:18.00 | liable | Absolute0: and ifconfig -a |
| 14:18.05 | promag | can anyone explain why module ieee1394 is enabled in kernel 2.6.18 and not in 2.6.22 ? |
| 14:18.13 | petemc | null: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.19.2-grsec 2.6.19.2-grsec |
| 14:18.29 | Jygzy- | how do you open XMMS from ssh console? |
| 14:18.33 | Jygzy- | ** CRITICAL **: Unable to open display |
| 14:18.39 | Absolute0 | liable: i got eth0 lo and sit0 |
| 14:18.44 | wols | Jygzy-: you set an appropriate display |
| 14:18.49 | Jygzy- | how? |
| 14:18.55 | *** join/#debian behanw (n=behanw@d38-64-94.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 14:18.57 | wols | Jygzy-: where is your X server? |
| 14:18.57 | liable | promag: i think they did some major shit with iee1394, google it. i think its totally changed |
| 14:19.01 | cast | neat, /usr/share/vrms/reasons/vrms is a handy ref |
| 14:19.02 | promag | Jygzy-: do ssh -X remotehost |
| 14:19.04 | Jygzy- | wols how can i know? |
| 14:19.06 | liable | Absolute0: check lsmod and dmesg |
| 14:19.11 | *** join/#debian Kouryuu (n=mpark@sta-208-139-194-65.rockynet.com) |
| 14:19.24 | Absolute0 | its not in lsmod |
| 14:19.26 | wols | Jygzy-: by having a GUI somewhere. you need an X server if you want to run xmms |
| 14:19.27 | null | petemc: ok thanks, on grub do I need to change the like initrd? |
| 14:19.36 | adelgado | will groupmod work |
| 14:19.40 | Jygzy- | Jygzy- yea i have X and KDE running? |
| 14:19.41 | liable | Absolute0: so try and modprobe it.. |
| 14:19.44 | Jygzy- | and ssh to that machine |
| 14:19.44 | petemc | null: if you want to use the initrd, your bootloader needs to know, yes |
| 14:19.51 | Jygzy- | i mean wols |
| 14:20.06 | null | stil if I use mkinitrad nope? petemc, thanks |
| 14:20.15 | petemc | ? |
| 14:20.24 | Absolute0 | liable: module not found :-P |
| 14:20.29 | Jygzy- | so what? |
| 14:20.30 | Absolute0 | !rtl |
| 14:20.30 | wols | Jygzy-: where is kde running? local or the rmeote you ssh to? |
| 14:20.33 | Jygzy- | export DISPLAY=0 |
| 14:20.36 | Absolute0 | !realtek |
| 14:20.36 | dpkg | well, realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html, or <rtl-wifi> |
| 14:20.40 | *** join/#debian JohnGH (n=john@y23.com) |
| 14:20.41 | *** join/#debian karmatronic (n=karma@84.77.129.239) |
| 14:20.41 | Jygzy- | wols remote |
| 14:20.52 | Jygzy- | the machine im SSH:ing to |
| 14:20.56 | wols | Jygzy-: export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 |
| 14:21.02 | liable | Absolute0: /msg dpkg rtl-wifi |
| 14:21.04 | null | wols: also, I was updating sarge to etch, why I still using 2.6.8 ? |
| 14:21.08 | lekram | Absolute0, try ./autogen first |
| 14:21.08 | Absolute0 | can i use 8139too? |
| 14:21.09 | liable | Absolute0: try depmod -ae |
| 14:21.11 | wols | however, then xmms will only display on that remote host |
| 14:21.23 | liable | Absolute0: thats ethernet |
| 14:21.28 | wols | Absolute0: only for a realtek 8139 100Mbit ethernet card |
| 14:21.29 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 14:21.37 | karmatronic | null: maybe you didnt reboot... |
| 14:21.50 | Absolute0 | well rtl-wifi doesnt want to compile |
| 14:22.00 | Absolute0 | !rtl-wifi |
| 14:22.00 | dpkg | well, rtl-wifi is the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. The main page is at http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/, see http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for installation instructions. |
| 14:22.11 | wols | null: cause you might have installed 2.6.8 explicitly. install linux-image-2.6 |
| 14:22.26 | wols | apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 and choose the one for your CPU |
| 14:22.33 | null | karmatronic: yes of course, and i was a kernel panic using my custom kernel :) |
| 14:22.42 | karmatronic | ok ok :( |
| 14:22.58 | wols | null: did you use kernel-package? |
| 14:23.07 | *** join/#debian odla (n=lontra@c-75-72-235-37.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 14:23.07 | null | no |
| 14:23.12 | wols | why not? |
| 14:23.20 | null | what is it? |
| 14:23.21 | *** join/#debian vjt (n=vjt@81-174-12-131.static.ngi.it) |
| 14:23.22 | *** join/#debian MelkorD (n=morgoth@station-21-140-87-77.ticom.pl) |
| 14:23.27 | wols | !kernel-package |
| 14:23.27 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 14:23.28 | *** join/#debian LqR (n=liquidra@90-229-130-23-no52.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 14:23.47 | null | the 'normal' way does not works on debian wols? |
| 14:23.54 | wols | null: it creates a .deb package from your custom kernel that you can install (and remove!) like any other deb |
| 14:24.00 | null | make && make modules && make install |
| 14:24.01 | *** join/#debian jack_wyt_ (n=jack@123.115.244.152) |
| 14:24.12 | JohnGH | I'm trying out an etch image from here: http://www.visoracle.com/download/debian/ in VMware Player, and I've got two things that are puzzling me, 1 is how to change the default keyboard for the whole system (it's set to German) and the other is where I need to give my new user account permission to login through wdm - can anyone help with these two please? |
| 14:24.14 | wols | it does work, when one knows how to do it. but it's still inferior to the debian way |
| 14:24.22 | LqR | I'm having trouble configuring x.org on my iBook G3 ("dual USB") using lenny |
| 14:25.01 | wols | Jygzy-: man loadkeys man useradd |
| 14:25.07 | LqR | among other things I get a lot of errors about the R128 driver |
| 14:25.08 | wols | JohnGH: man loadkeys man useradd |
| 14:25.21 | karmatronic | JohnGH: dpkg-reconsole console-data |
| 14:25.36 | JohnGH | I've tried doing setxkbmap but that only works for the main user, when I su up to root it's back to German. |
| 14:25.55 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@205.Red-83-44-78.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:25.57 | *** join/#debian efaistos (i=efaistos@m99.net81-66-191.noos.fr) |
| 14:25.58 | wols | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:25.59 | promag | can i copy modules from 2.6.18 to 2.6.22 ? :) |
| 14:26.13 | wols | promag: no. well you might and force them, but that'S BAD |
| 14:26.26 | promag | need to compile it? |
| 14:26.27 | wols | JohnGH: reconfigure your X like I told you above |
| 14:26.57 | *** join/#debian Seiji (n=Seji@c-69-245-78-24.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 14:27.15 | wols | promag: especially with the new WLAN stack lately. so I wouldn't try it. you can't truly break someone by trying tho |
| 14:27.25 | wols | but the chance of getting it to work is slim |
| 14:27.29 | JohnGH | karmatronic: I've been though the dpkg-reconfigure and it doesn't seem to take - do I need to reboot after that? |
| 14:27.58 | Absolute0 | oh i forgot to run make before insmoding :-P |
| 14:28.00 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 14:28.03 | wols | JohnGH: what karmatronic told you was only for console. doesn't affect X at all |
| 14:28.05 | karmatronic | JohnGH: the command i gave you will change the settings in your terminal , wittout need to reboot |
| 14:28.16 | karmatronic | JohnGH: agree with wols |
| 14:28.31 | wols | JohnGH: you need to reconfigure X like I told you and restart X |
| 14:28.40 | wols | !tell JohnGH about drxx |
| 14:29.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 840] by debhelper |
| 14:29.03 | Absolute0 | debian:/home/ramin/rtl-wifi# make install |
| 14:29.04 | Absolute0 | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 14:29.06 | Absolute0 | wdebian:/home/ramin/rtl-wifi# make install |
| 14:29.13 | Absolute0 | whats going on?? |
| 14:29.15 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 14:29.21 | karmatronic | Absolute0: ./configure |
| 14:29.23 | wols | pastebin the Makefile |
| 14:29.55 | liable | Absolute0: read the readme and install file |
| 14:29.55 | Absolute0 | there is no configure in the rtl-wifi dir |
| 14:30.11 | Absolute0 | and there arent any readme's or installs either |
| 14:30.12 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 14:30.15 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-012.eplus-online.de) |
| 14:30.23 | Absolute0 | all i go is that online wiki |
| 14:30.26 | Absolute0 | *got |
| 14:30.40 | karmatronic | Absolute0: where did you get the archive ? |
| 14:31.26 | SamuraiDio | can i use update-alternative to set a default php/css/html editor for X? |
| 14:31.30 | Absolute0 | svn co https://rtl-wifi.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/rtl-wifi rtl-wifi |
| 14:31.38 | Absolute0 | http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Installing |
| 14:31.38 | bonii | Can anyone tell me which is the channel for Debian/Ubuntu mirror?? |
| 14:31.39 | efaistos | i'm trying to restart gdm on a remote server but it says tht a X is already started on :0 but the user there doesnt have nothing ... |
| 14:31.47 | SamuraiDio | help |
| 14:31.48 | cast | bonii: wth is that? |
| 14:31.52 | SamuraiDio | !help |
| 14:31.53 | *** join/#debian mrcheeks (n=mrcheeks@yvzou.bibl.ulaval.ca) |
| 14:31.54 | wols | bonii: #ubuntu |
| 14:32.00 | *** join/#debian boo (n=hmmm@c58-107-216-127.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 14:32.04 | liable | Absolute0: and is there another rtl-wifi dir inside rtl-wifi ? |
| 14:32.07 | SamuraiDio | !update-alternatives |
| 14:32.07 | dpkg | i guess update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line?, or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
| 14:32.09 | wols | bonii: and debian and ubuntu are very distinct. ubuntu is only based on debian |
| 14:32.18 | boo | does anyone know if theres a command to test application load up time? |
| 14:32.33 | bonii | cast: I meant a support channel either for Debian or Ubuntu mirroring. |
| 14:32.37 | wols | SamuraiDio: you have to set associations for your css/html and php files in X. depending on your desktop envuironment |
| 14:32.37 | Absolute0 | one sec |
| 14:32.44 | *** join/#debian GarryFre (n=garry@adsl-63-207-239-56.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) |
| 14:32.47 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.06 | bonii | wols: I know . I meant either of the channels for Debian or Ubuntu mirrors if anyone knows. |
| 14:33.22 | *** join/#debian eusto_ (n=eusto@86.105.244.62) |
| 14:33.28 | liable | Absolute0: erm, i just checked it out and it has a makefile.. |
| 14:33.33 | wols | bonii: official mirror or a local one? |
| 14:33.45 | JohnGH | boo: depends on the app - try the time command |
| 14:33.55 | *** join/#debian gener1c (n=solekill@unaffiliated/gener1c) |
| 14:34.01 | Absolute0 | liable: so what can i do with that makefile? |
| 14:34.08 | Absolute0 | i ran make and then make install failed |
| 14:34.12 | *** join/#debian lekram (i=xmqc@rbi0332.giga-dns.com) |
| 14:34.18 | SamuraiDio | wols, does it depends on the file browser only? |
| 14:34.20 | GarryFre | Make love not windows. |
| 14:34.24 | liable | Absolute0: paste the errors |
| 14:34.27 | wols | Absolute0: any *.ko file? |
| 14:34.30 | boo | JohnGH, yeh i've tried command like "time firefox" but when i exit firefox then it give me the timing |
| 14:34.31 | liable | on pastebin |
| 14:34.38 | bonii | wols: Local |
| 14:34.41 | Absolute0 | i did |
| 14:34.43 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 14:34.45 | wols | SamuraiDio: desktop environment usuually |
| 14:34.48 | liable | where? |
| 14:34.51 | Absolute0 | debian:/home/ramin/rtl-wifi# make install |
| 14:34.52 | Absolute0 | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 14:34.53 | Absolute0 | here |
| 14:34.54 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 14:34.54 | *** kick/#debian [Absolute0!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 14:34.59 | xand | ha |
| 14:35.01 | *** join/#debian Absolute0 (n=ramin@pool-71-247-140-137.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:35.05 | wols | bonii: there are howtos for that from debian. and stuff like apt-mirror I think |
| 14:35.09 | Absolute0 | sorry for flooding |
| 14:35.13 | JohnGH | boo: yes - it will tell you the time for the whole session - what do you want to time till? when your homepage has loaded? |
| 14:35.21 | wols | Absolute0: I asked you something |
| 14:35.22 | liable | Absolute0: dude, i just checked it out myself, and it *does* have a makefile |
| 14:35.29 | liable | Absolute0: so go check it out again |
| 14:35.34 | wols | liable: read more carefully |
| 14:35.42 | wols | it just says it has no "install" rule |
| 14:35.46 | boo | JohnGH, like application load up time, how long it take for any particular app to load |
| 14:36.02 | JohnGH | wols: should loadkeys uk fix it straight away? or do I need to do something to make it permanent? |
| 14:36.04 | liable | wols: ah, right, i did miss that |
| 14:36.10 | SamuraiDio | !file association |
| 14:36.14 | boo | JohnGH, are there any app that are able to do that, that you know of by any chance? =] |
| 14:36.14 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 14:36.16 | Absolute0 | whhttps://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1786179&forum_id=652149 :) |
| 14:36.26 | SamuraiDio | !association |
| 14:36.27 | wols | JohnGH: in X or in a text console? |
| 14:36.34 | JohnGH | wols: in X |
| 14:36.42 | wols | JohnGH: setxkbmap |
| 14:36.55 | Absolute0 | ehh |
| 14:36.59 | wols | JohnGH: and I told you, TWICE, what to do for X. not my problem if you don't wanna read |
| 14:37.05 | Absolute0 | i'll try the "stable" svn now |
| 14:37.26 | JohnGH | If I've su'ed to root in an xterm is there any way I can set it for root? |
| 14:38.01 | xand | set what for root? |
| 14:39.28 | liable | Absolute0: dont |
| 14:39.42 | liable | Absolute0: use the insmod commands it says in the wiki first |
| 14:39.58 | *** join/#debian darkstar (n=darkstar@unaffiliated/darkstar) |
| 14:40.24 | abrotman | SamuraiDio: are you in gnome ? |
| 14:40.38 | Absolute0 | i did |
| 14:40.44 | liable | wols: it builds the modules, but they are throughout several directories, and it doesn't, indeed have a install target in main, but the sub dirs appear to |
| 14:40.49 | Absolute0 | and i have to go down into one of those weird directories |
| 14:40.50 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 14:41.00 | *** join/#debian NightOat1 (n=Andrew_S@cpc1-nthc10-0-0-cust418.nrth.cable.ntl.com) |
| 14:41.03 | liable | Absolute0: just paste what it says in the wiki |
| 14:41.24 | Absolute0 | and not have wireless for another week? |
| 14:41.25 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 14:42.24 | liable | Absolute0: just insmod the damn modules for now, just like it says in the wiki |
| 14:42.27 | *** join/#debian Skyrail (n=Skyrail@212.32.89.179) |
| 14:42.36 | liable | Absolute0: if it works, we'll get them installed properly |
| 14:42.40 | Absolute0 | i did |
| 14:42.53 | Absolute0 | i didnt work |
| 14:42.55 | *** join/#debian testergg (n=gilbert@boris.dido.ca) |
| 14:42.57 | JohnGH | wols: you said: "man loadkeys man useradd" - I've done loadkeys uk, then logged out, done <Ctrl-Alt-BS> and logged in again - still the same - am I missing something? |
| 14:43.07 | liable | Absolute0: did the modules load? |
| 14:43.16 | JohnGH | wols: at the bottom of the man page it says: The default keymap should be the default keymap compiled in the kernel (ie. the one in /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/defkeymap.c). - are you hinting I need to recompile my kernel? |
| 14:43.25 | *** join/#debian rmayorga (n=rmayorga@unaffiliated/rmayorga) |
| 14:43.51 | infinity0 | my encrypted external partition keeps screwing up... randomly it'll turn into a readonly disk, and sometimes at boot-up fsck finds errors |
| 14:43.56 | Absolute0 | i see wlan0 in ifconfig by the way |
| 14:43.57 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 14:44.05 | JohnGH | !tell JohnGH about drxx |
| 14:44.12 | karmatronic | JohnGH: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:44.13 | cast | infinity0: so what does dmesg say |
| 14:44.28 | *** join/#debian kingsley (n=kingsley@198.182.208.24) |
| 14:44.53 | infinity0 | cast: hang on i'll check in a bit, it's fscking atm |
| 14:44.55 | liable | Absolute0: try and configure it |
| 14:45.01 | cast | infinity0: i presume external means external drive |
| 14:45.02 | Absolute0 | now how do i connect to a wireless network? |
| 14:45.13 | infinity0 | cast: yeah |
| 14:45.13 | SamuraiDio | abrotman, E17 using Thunar fm |
| 14:45.20 | Absolute0 | any apps i can use? |
| 14:45.33 | karmatronic | Absolute0: first do a iwlist scan to be sure wifi s working |
| 14:45.35 | infinity0 | "inodes that were part of a corrupted orphan linked list found" |
| 14:45.45 | infinity0 | (and fixed) |
| 14:46.13 | *** join/#debian cast_ (n=cast@fsf/member/cast) |
| 14:46.57 | Absolute0 | karmatronic: i see a bunch of [interface] < > lines |
| 14:47.23 | liable | ifconfig wlan0 up first |
| 14:47.47 | JohnGH | karmatronic: thank you - THAT was the right answer :-) - it was set in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to de |
| 14:47.52 | Absolute0 | liable: done |
| 14:48.01 | JohnGH | !drxx |
| 14:48.01 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 14:48.07 | Absolute0 | liable: now what? |
| 14:48.16 | karmatronic | JohnGH: wols told you several times ..... |
| 14:48.34 | liable | Absolute0: now scan |
| 14:48.38 | Absolute0 | with? |
| 14:48.40 | *** join/#debian Kartoffelsalat (n=dennisme@pD9E351BF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:48.47 | liable | Absolute0: karmatronic told you.. |
| 14:48.51 | karmatronic | JohnGH: but you re welcome :) |
| 14:49.01 | liable | Absolute0: are you really that stupid? |
| 14:49.01 | Kartoffelsalat | can mpd play files from /media/mydrive/foo ? have no idea how... |
| 14:49.08 | Absolute0 | yes very much so |
| 14:49.10 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 14:49.15 | fastputty | hey guys a little quesiton about vpn, if my firewall has a network range 192.168.1.0 and my vpn got 12.168.1.0 too... when i ping a 192.168.1.100 which one it will ping? |
| 14:49.22 | Absolute0 | i ran iwilst and the same thing is displayer |
| 14:49.23 | Absolute0 | i ran iwilst and the same thing is displayed |
| 14:49.23 | JohnGH | karmatronic: aha - I lost it in the scroll - and he didn't put my nick at the front so I didn't find it when I was doing last johngh :-) |
| 14:49.25 | Kartoffelsalat | can mplayer play files recursive (file1 -> file2 -> file 3 -> dir1/file1 -> dir2/file1 , etc) |
| 14:49.26 | fastputty | oops my vpn got 192.168.1.0 |
| 14:49.43 | JohnGH | karmatronic: I see it now: 16:25 < wols> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 14:49.52 | cast | Kartoffelsalat: you can make mplayer do that |
| 14:50.04 | Kartoffelsalat | cast: how, haven't found anything for this in manpages |
| 14:50.07 | JohnGH | thanks wols too - and sorry you were really puzzling me when you told me that you'd told me twice |
| 14:50.22 | Absolute0 | how do i run networkmanager? |
| 14:50.36 | fastputty | hey guys a little quesiton about vpn, if my firewall has a network range 192.168.1.0 and my vpn got 192.168.1.0 too... when i ping a 192.168.1.100 which one it will ping? |
| 14:50.40 | Absolute0 | the gnome one |
| 14:50.48 | testergg | Hi all, I just replaced a disk that is part of a md mirrored set, and wanted to test if it will boot if I take the working disk out. The mirror shows in sync but the new disk won't boot on it's own, any suggestions? |
| 14:50.54 | liable | Absolute0: try #wireless |
| 14:51.03 | petemc | fastputty: you should use a different range for the vpn |
| 14:51.10 | Absolute0 | ok |
| 14:51.18 | JohnGH | wols/karmatronic: I'm at work and can't IRC from here so have to ssh with PuTTY to my mate's box in Germany to get on IRC - so only get 24 lines of scroll then it's gone. |
| 14:51.20 | cahoot | Absolute0, for some reason I had to manually start nm-applet the first time |
| 14:51.35 | Absolute0 | ok thanks |
| 14:52.10 | JohnGH | putting this one in the blog too - :-)_ |
| 14:52.20 | Ronin | JohnGH: page up :) |
| 14:53.09 | Absolute0 | http://rafb.net/p/wRavfk25.html :( |
| 14:53.21 | *** join/#debian Aliosa27 (n=Aliosa27@c-24-10-178-92.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 14:53.44 | *** part/#debian Kartoffelsalat (n=dennisme@pD9E351BF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:53.52 | JohnGH | Ronin: unfortunately with this client Page Up just gives me what was on screen before I started IRC :-| |
| 14:53.56 | *** part/#debian boo (n=hmmm@c58-107-216-127.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 14:54.22 | infinity0 | cast: what's the command for untaring then opening a gzipped dmesg in nano? |
| 14:54.44 | *** join/#debian XPSlammer (n=mart@82-69-6-203.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 14:54.53 | Absolute0 | which file configures dbus? |
| 14:54.56 | *** join/#debian anderson (n=anderson@200.186.151.58) |
| 14:55.16 | JohnGH | Ronin: what would you recommend for text mode? it's my mate's box, but I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I aptitude installed something better. |
| 14:55.42 | Ronin | personlly im a big fan of irssi but i have also liked scrollz |
| 14:56.10 | cast | infinity0: zcat dmesg.gz|vim - |
| 14:56.21 | JohnGH | I can't even IRC from my own virtual server because my hosting company (memset.net) blocks all 6667 traffic due to l4m3r5 hosting abusive bots in the past. |
| 14:56.42 | cast | heh or just vim dmesg.gz on my computer :) |
| 14:57.24 | *** join/#debian be`o (n=be`o@unaffiliated/hxizan) |
| 14:57.25 | xand | JohnGH: I think freenode uses more than just 6667 |
| 14:57.30 | cast | karmatronic: find . -print0|xargs -0 mplayer works good, but sadly can't use mplayer controls which is a bitch, there be better ways...could use a loop |
| 14:57.31 | JohnGH | Ronin: this IS irssi - I normally used ircii on my own machine. |
| 14:57.42 | *** join/#debian xornoobix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 14:57.57 | Ronin | JohnGH: must be somethign on teh box then as im on irc sshing on putty to my debian box |
| 14:58.07 | JohnGH | xand: good tip, thanks - I'll try - but their rule is "all IRC is banned" - I don't really want to get snapped breaking the rules. |
| 14:58.11 | Alley | Hi folks. Why is tab completion not working in either root or user shell in my new install? |
| 14:58.36 | JohnGH | Ronin: I'm not using screen at the moment either - that always stuffs up Page-Up history. |
| 14:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 833] by debhelper |
| 14:59.05 | *** join/#debian astronouth7303 (n=astronou@jebliss.res.wpi.net) |
| 14:59.10 | *** join/#debian L0cKn (n=Luca@unaffiliated/l0ckn) |
| 14:59.20 | *** join/#debian smcavoy (n=smcavoy@vgateway.libertyrms.info) |
| 14:59.24 | JohnGH | hmm |
| 14:59.26 | cast | Alley: if you've done absolutely nothing to break bashes default behavior..does the tab key work? |
| 14:59.28 | *** join/#debian helo (n=helo@wsip-68-15-195-2.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 14:59.35 | helo | dpkg: tell me about automounting |
| 14:59.44 | Alley | cast, yes, it works |
| 14:59.49 | JohnGH | how do I get motd from the server? /motd doesn't work - I'm sure that's what I used to use in the old days. |
| 14:59.55 | JohnGH | must have been an alias |
| 15:00.00 | karmatronic | Alley: hum check youractual shell is bash , and check you have source /etc/bash_completion in your .bashrc |
| 15:00.21 | astronouth7303 | how hard is it to go from Ubuntu Feisty to Debian? (and which version of Debian?) |
| 15:00.32 | *** part/#debian testergg (n=gilbert@boris.dido.ca) |
| 15:00.34 | cast | astronouth7303: reinstall. and rtfm. |
| 15:00.41 | karmatronic | astronouth7303: ubuntu =debian |
| 15:00.45 | Alley | karmatronic: how do I know what shell it is? |
| 15:00.49 | karmatronic | *me is trolling |
| 15:01.00 | karmatronic | anyway |
| 15:01.04 | *** join/#debian l0xar (n=l0xar@216.143.90.2) |
| 15:01.13 | Dewi | astronouth7303: don't |
| 15:01.16 | Alley | gnome-terminal is default bash, no? |
| 15:01.19 | *** join/#debian nik11 (n=niko@cht33-1-82-228-78-181.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 15:01.28 | cast | Alley: type 'bash' then try tab completion |
| 15:01.30 | *** join/#debian Blwood (n=Blwood@105.238-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 15:01.31 | maxamillion | astronouth7303: depends on what you consider "hard"? ... if you select "desktop environment" at the install menu then alot of things will be very similar because ubuntu is based on debian ... everything else can be referenced from debian documentation |
| 15:01.36 | *** join/#debian Smooph (n=Smooph@e180140153.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:01.42 | astronouth7303 | ok |
| 15:01.43 | smcavoy | Anyone know how to get the nVidia gigabit NICs (forcedeth) working stably on etch? mine keeps crapping out after a few MB of transfers and I then have to poweroff/on to use it again... |
| 15:01.43 | maxamillion | karmatronic: ubuntu != debian |
| 15:01.46 | techbee | helo:/msg dpkg automount |
| 15:01.58 | helo | just tried that :/ |
| 15:02.02 | astronouth7303 | but I can't say change my apt sources and do an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 15:02.04 | karmatronic | maxamillion: right package manager works better under debian |
| 15:02.15 | cast | smcavoy: mines pretty solid, but i found an issue where i couldnt use it in combination with a pci nic, it was one or the other - another guy had the same problem |
| 15:02.16 | Eulex | astronouth7303, no |
| 15:02.16 | Dewi | smcavoy: mine works okay, although I've had problems with them losing mac address |
| 15:02.19 | Ronin | astronouth7303: no, well not at least to install debian on ubuntu |
| 15:02.20 | Alley | cast: yes, sorry, it works. I was thinking more of completion of file names e.,g cd ho[TAB] for "cd home" |
| 15:02.25 | maxamillion | karmatronic: uhmmm... everything works better under debian ... and its more stable |
| 15:02.43 | cast | Alley: does cd /hoTABTABMOTHERFUCKERTAB work? |
| 15:02.45 | karmatronic | maxamillion: at the price of a release every 5 year |
| 15:02.52 | Dewi | karmatronic: 1.5 |
| 15:02.56 | infinity0 | cast: the error's not in any of the dmesgs, i'll try catch it next time it happens :/ |
| 15:03.03 | astronouth7303 | so I would, basically, have to do the normal installation procedure |
| 15:03.07 | maxamillion | astronouth7303: yeah ... that wouldn't work, the two distros don't have all package names matching |
| 15:03.13 | Dewi | karmatronic: owait it was more like 1.8 wasn't it |
| 15:03.15 | *** join/#debian BUMBACL0T (n=system@ip68-13-212-104.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 15:03.18 | Alley | guys. sorry. I was being thick as a brick. It does work.... |
| 15:03.22 | cast | infinity0: might say 'bad block..' or some such, or read fai lerrors, dunno |
| 15:03.28 | *** join/#debian Kartoffelsalat (n=dennisme@pD9E351BF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:03.32 | cast | Alley: that'll be 5USD. |
| 15:03.32 | *** part/#debian Kartoffelsalat (n=dennisme@pD9E351BF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:03.33 | Alley | how embarassing. I was in the root shell in roots home dir. |
| 15:03.36 | maxamillion | karmatronic: go away |
| 15:03.37 | smcavoy | cast, Dewi: so no problems with it suddenly dying? I've had to install a pci nic because its basically been useless |
| 15:03.38 | *** join/#debian jair (n=jair@adsl-67-36-176-172.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 15:03.43 | karmatronic | maxamillion:dont get me wrong , i cant stand ubuntu , but from a debian s point f view , it s quite similar |
| 15:03.48 | *** join/#debian basti`lab0 (n=basti@M23d6.m.pppool.de) |
| 15:03.54 | jair | does anyone here use ddclient? |
| 15:04.01 | Dewi | smcavoy: no, but the same device used to crap out randomly in windows |
| 15:04.08 | Dewi | smcavoy: they don't strike me as particularly high quality |
| 15:04.08 | helo | how does automount stuff in debian work? |
| 15:04.08 | karmatronic | jair: i use ez-ipupdate |
| 15:04.10 | helo | udev? |
| 15:04.11 | Alley | exit |
| 15:04.29 | cast | smcavoy: nope. the problem i mentioned was with a nf5 board, with a nf2 board i hit a linux bug where the MAC got written back to it backwards on shutdown so to WOL on it you had to reverse it :| |
| 15:04.31 | jair | keram: does that work with the site zoneedit? |
| 15:04.45 | maxamillion | karmatronic: oh ... ok, well if also can't stand ubuntu then why defend it and insult debian by calling it equal? |
| 15:05.11 | *** join/#debian moyix (n=moyix@66.170.231.190) |
| 15:05.15 | jair | karmatronic: does that work with the site zoneedit? |
| 15:05.40 | *** part/#debian lekram (i=xmqc@rbi0332.giga-dns.com) |
| 15:05.42 | karmatronic | jair: yes |
| 15:05.47 | *** part/#debian astronouth7303 (n=astronou@jebliss.res.wpi.net) |
| 15:05.53 | jair | somehow when i install the ddclient and configure it, it update the internal ip of the server I am using instead the external one :( |
| 15:06.12 | liable | jair: theres a mailing list post about that somewhere |
| 15:06.15 | jair | karmatronic: I will check how that one works :P |
| 15:06.18 | liable | lemme see if i can find it |
| 15:06.34 | jair | liable: ok I will check that, you mean mailing list for ddclient? |
| 15:06.50 | karmatronic | jair: it s normal if you re nated |
| 15:06.52 | jair | liable: that will be great my friend |
| 15:07.04 | jair | yes I am nated |
| 15:07.05 | karmatronic | jair: so it s probably not a ddclient bug |
| 15:07.11 | jair | hmm |
| 15:07.42 | jair | so then how can I make it update the external ip even if I am on NAT? |
| 15:07.58 | karmatronic | jair: i use ez-ipupdate plus a personal script to get my public address (that is the one that my ISP assigns to my router) |
| 15:08.31 | karmatronic | jair: wanna check my script ? |
| 15:08.52 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 15:09.28 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p57A66BCF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:09.31 | *** join/#debian petterah (n=petter@static243-165-178.adsl.no) |
| 15:09.34 | jair | karmatronic: yes please |
| 15:09.38 | karmatronic | jair: http://pastebin.com/d49c8084b |
| 15:09.41 | jair | ok |
| 15:09.50 | liable | jair: i cant find it, but just google ddclient behind router |
| 15:10.09 | *** join/#debian deisys (i=deisys@147.46.239.103) |
| 15:10.14 | karmatronic | jair: the important line is just the first one |
| 15:10.15 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@125.33.15.144) |
| 15:10.58 | *** join/#debian Gge (n=Gge@59.164.40.112) |
| 15:11.04 | liable | jair: the key is to use use=web |
| 15:11.19 | jair | liable: I will check it ok |
| 15:11.31 | JohnGH | karmatronic: looks like the reconfigure xorg fixed more things too :-) - my scroll wheel wasn't working but it is now, and I can mysteriously login as my new user now! |
| 15:11.38 | jair | liable: ok i will do that |
| 15:11.43 | jair | liable: Thank you |
| 15:11.50 | liable | np |
| 15:11.53 | karmatronic | JohnGH: cool |
| 15:12.01 | jair | karmatronic: and you run that script with cron? |
| 15:12.07 | pableras | what are the fields internal and external for in dante server? |
| 15:12.13 | *** join/#debian Irrumator (n=iravid@IGLD-83-130-200-240.inter.net.il) |
| 15:12.17 | karmatronic | jair: yeah , and also at boot time |
| 15:13.05 | fastputty | what is the command with who or w to get the time that the user has logged into the machin, not the IDLE |
| 15:13.19 | fastputty | ist here a way ? |
| 15:13.21 | cast | fastputty: w |
| 15:13.32 | fastputty | w do not show the time loged |
| 15:13.36 | fastputty | it only show the idle |
| 15:13.43 | cast | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 15:13.51 | fastputty | welll i mean.. |
| 15:13.57 | nvz | Idk but I think this network-manager framework is to blame for connectivity issues my client has been having.. he just called and says the windows laptop is working fine and he's getting page cannot be displayed errors on the linux box yet again |
| 15:14.01 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 15:14.01 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 15:14.02 | fastputty | not the time he log, but since when it log |
| 15:14.07 | fastputty | like log since 5 min |
| 15:14.11 | *** join/#debian mikez0r (n=michael@131.183.243.105) |
| 15:14.12 | mikez0r | hello |
| 15:14.17 | karmatronic | fastputty: who -u ? |
| 15:14.49 | *** join/#debian l3mr (n=l3mr@zux221-202-123.adsl.green.ch) |
| 15:14.58 | fastputty | it do not show since when the user logged |
| 15:15.17 | mikez0r | If I have a USB to Serial Cable, can I just plug it in and use the /dev/ttyUSB0 device as my phony serial port? |
| 15:15.23 | karmatronic | fastputty: lastlog |
| 15:15.30 | helo | if i want a normal user to be able to edit files mounted by ivman, what should i put in fstab? |
| 15:15.49 | nvz | I'm slowly beginning to not like this automagic shit. I think I've heard other people complainging about issues with the network-manager in here recently as well |
| 15:15.53 | karmatronic | helo: user |
| 15:15.55 | fastputty | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.04 | *** join/#debian tolecnal (n=tolecnal@154.80-203-130.nextgentel.com) |
| 15:16.10 | fastputty | oh wait |
| 15:16.18 | fastputty | it not show since when, it show when.. x( |
| 15:16.24 | karmatronic | fastputty: too late , you already said thank you |
| 15:16.32 | fastputty | XD doh! |
| 15:16.38 | nvz | being all automagic I'm not even sure how to troubleshoot it other than get rid of it :P |
| 15:16.48 | jair | karmatronic: thank you very much |
| 15:16.49 | helo | karmatronic: doesn't work |
| 15:17.00 | null | uhmm, why grub-update deletes my initrd entry? |
| 15:17.14 | helo | the files are ivman.haldev, but r-x for haldev |
| 15:17.43 | nvz | null: maybe the initrd you specified doesn't exist or is a dangling link |
| 15:17.58 | nvz | null: hard to say really you're the one who can see what's going on |
| 15:17.59 | null | nvz: what is a dangling link? |
| 15:18.15 | karmatronic | fastputty: what about last |
| 15:18.41 | nvz | null: like people will say /initrd.img which is usually a link to like /boot/initrd.img-2.6...or such and that file may not exist |
| 15:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 843] by debhelper |
| 15:19.03 | nvz | null: its a link to a file that doesn't exist |
| 15:19.23 | nvz | null: which would break your bootloader config.. so grub may be removing it to prevent issues |
| 15:19.24 | null | nvz: it's mandatory to use initrd to start a kernel? |
| 15:19.34 | karmatronic | null: no |
| 15:19.41 | nvz | null: only if the kernel was built to boot with initrd |
| 15:19.58 | *** join/#debian odla (i=lontra@x84-187-150.wireless.umn.edu) |
| 15:20.03 | *** part/#debian mikez0r (n=michael@131.183.243.105) |
| 15:20.11 | *** join/#debian Alley (n=user@e179193051.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:20.25 | karmatronic | null: its only necessary if there are some modules that need to be disponible before mounting the system (for instance chipset SCSI ...) |
| 15:20.31 | sparrw | ive got /var/imap/log/[each users name]/[one file per pop/imap connection], how can i get logrotate to handle something like that? |
| 15:20.50 | nvz | null: initrd is to preload essential modules for booting.. i.e. disk controllers, filesystems..etc if you build a kernel with support compiled in for your disk controller and filesystem for your rootfs then you don't need it. Debian kernels use initrd to be widely portable as we can't assume what kind of controller or fs your rootfs uses |
| 15:21.08 | null | in anyway if it is compiled, or if it is not, can I remove initrd? I was a kernel panic, it's a remote server usinig initrd, but not sure what is the problem, I can't nothing, the datacenter guy only says me, 'kernel panic' I start the old kernel |
| 15:21.16 | Alley | when I open a terminal it is coming up behind my editor. Why is this and how do I change this? (I have a gnome-termninal launcher on the taskbar) |
| 15:21.45 | *** join/#debian Shisui (i=chris@AAmiens-152-1-19-206.w83-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:22.01 | *** join/#debian alexfranci (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 15:22.11 | *** join/#debian duns_s (n=duns_s@mnhm-590c0a96.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 15:22.16 | nvz | null: well I'd build a custom kernel with support complied in for the disk controller and fs I am using and do away with initrd if it was me, but if you install standard debian kernel packages you should be fine, and it should automatically setup grub for you with initrd |
| 15:22.29 | JohnGH | laters all - thanks wols and karmatronic |
| 15:22.44 | karmatronic | Alley: i d say you check nautilus preferences , and check for open windows on foreground |
| 15:22.46 | null | nvz: it's a linux grsec kernel |
| 15:22.55 | null | not default debian :( |
| 15:23.05 | *** join/#debian drwahl (n=drwahl@208.34.123.2) |
| 15:23.12 | null | an not sure if is mandatory to use initrd or not |
| 15:23.15 | *** join/#debian Ariel_Calzada (n=aricalso@200.29.106.116) |
| 15:23.17 | Alley | karmatronic: why nautilus? its gdm isnt it? |
| 15:23.24 | nvz | null: ah, if you hand rolled a kernel with grsec patches i.e. patch-o-matic patches then yeah you are responsible for setting up grub. |
| 15:23.28 | karmatronic | Alley: i mean your windows manager |
| 15:23.32 | nvz | null: are you familiar with kernel-package? |
| 15:23.44 | Alley | karmatronic: its same with metacity or beryl |
| 15:23.46 | *** part/#debian moyix (n=moyix@66.170.231.190) |
| 15:23.48 | drwahl | how do i verify that my gigabit NIC is actually using gigabit speeds (i assume i need to verify something with the driver) |
| 15:24.14 | null | nvz: no, I use standar way |
| 15:24.15 | *** join/#debian anderson_ (n=anderson@200.186.151.58) |
| 15:24.17 | xored | what is the best way to "archive" my imap folder. I want all emails written / recieved before 2007 being safed in a "backup" and not availble through the normal account, but restoreable |
| 15:24.17 | enouf | drwahl: ethtool perhaps |
| 15:24.24 | karmatronic | Alley: i m saying this kind of stuff is probably handled by the WM , whatever you use |
| 15:24.27 | liable | mii-tool ? |
| 15:24.31 | pableras | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.37 | pableras | anyone got a clue with dante server? |
| 15:24.50 | null | killall danted |
| 15:24.55 | wols | xored: define a filter rule in your MUA |
| 15:24.57 | drwahl | enouf: i will give it a shot |
| 15:25.05 | nvz | null: kernel-package is a tool to build your kernels "the debian way" (tm) and it creates debianized kernel packages for you.. then it will do all the automagic grub config like the debian ones.. I highly recommend this if you need help.. people in #debian aren't going to help you if you think you are too smart to use our method, than you are too smart to need help |
| 15:25.08 | karmatronic | pableras: freesock server ? |
| 15:25.11 | pableras | null, heh that fixed it |
| 15:25.19 | wols | pableras: something already listens there. nothing to do with dante |
| 15:25.21 | *** join/#debian samael (n=samael@dslb-088-066-046-089.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:25.22 | liable | hrm, no. dunno where i pulled that from in the dusty corner of my brain |
| 15:25.41 | *** part/#debian samael (n=samael@dslb-088-066-046-089.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:25.49 | null | nvz: ahh thanks |
| 15:25.50 | pableras | seems i had several dante servers opened |
| 15:25.56 | *** join/#debian markofvero (n=mshroyer@ip72-209-70-245.ga.at.cox.net) |
| 15:25.57 | nvz | null: I highly recommend you re-roll your kernel using kernel-package, remove initrd support from the kernel and make absolutly sure you have support compiled in (not as a module) for the rootfs you are using and for the disk controller it resides on |
| 15:26.02 | pableras | killall danted && danted fixed it |
| 15:26.11 | xored | wols: MUA stands for? I mean why i want to do this is, because my groupware client is not able to perform that much emails in a folder etc. So i would like to set this global for all clients |
| 15:26.13 | karmatronic | pableras: seems like you have a peak of dante ... |
| 15:26.23 | nvz | null: then you can dpkg -i your kernel packages you make with kernel-package and you will be good to go no further configuration required |
| 15:26.26 | drwahl | ok, so according to ethtool, my gigabit NIC is not running at gigabit speeds. how do i get the NIC to use its full potential? |
| 15:26.28 | null | pableras: if killall does not work, try using killall -KILL |
| 15:26.43 | pableras | its up now :) thanks |
| 15:26.46 | drwahl | wait... nevemind, i'm an idiot |
| 15:26.56 | drwahl | enouf: ethtool did the job, thank you |
| 15:27.02 | wols | xored: then you'd need either some sort of cronscript doing it for you or you need a server side filter engine like sieve (not sure if that could do it tho) |
| 15:27.21 | nvz | null: kernel-package can do everything from a single command line, it will allow you to patch, configure, compile and package in debain format you kernels, then you can just install them using dpkg -i and the standard debian debconf system will walk you through automatic setup of grub when you install them |
| 15:27.40 | nvz | null: this also integrates your kernels with the package system so upgrades won't break the system |
| 15:27.58 | karmatronic | null: although it wont do all the kernel configuration for you .... |
| 15:28.13 | wols | null: instead of "make bzImage" and the rest, you run make-kpkg binary-arch. that gives you a kernel image and header files you can install. that's it |
| 15:28.16 | karmatronic | null: maybe in a future release....seriously , could be a good idea |
| 15:28.37 | *** join/#debian nipra (i=nipra@nat/cleartrip/x-ab5b9d9eddf50c91) |
| 15:28.40 | nvz | null: I highly recommend you doing things the debian way, and someone in here should be able to help you with that if you have any questions.. however I am withdrawing to get back to what I have to do. cheers ;) |
| 15:29.55 | null | thaks alot nvz :) |
| 15:30.16 | nvz | no problem, thanks for flying #debian air, come again, buh~bye |
| 15:30.29 | nvz | heh /me feels like david spade from that SNL skit |
| 15:30.35 | null | thanks karmatronic & wols etc :) |
| 15:30.39 | nvz | buh- buh~bye |
| 15:31.27 | *** join/#debian foutrelis (n=foutreli@ppp224-176.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 15:31.33 | *** join/#debian GiRL[24] (n=HotGirl2@88.240.43.227) |
| 15:31.45 | nvz | GiRL[24]: hot girls aren't allowed :P |
| 15:32.01 | liable | it will be a spam bot anyway |
| 15:32.09 | cast | it is |
| 15:32.30 | *** part/#debian cast (n=cast@fsf/member/cast) |
| 15:32.31 | nvz | and bhall dont seem to be here |
| 15:32.31 | *** join/#debian cast (n=cast@fsf/member/cast) |
| 15:32.38 | wols | why is no one ever spamming me on freenode? |
| 15:32.42 | cast | just got spammed :o |
| 15:32.49 | Ronin | cast: so tell teh ops |
| 15:33.09 | liable | is it good spam? |
| 15:33.17 | sparrw | spam |
| 15:33.18 | cast | it had colors. |
| 15:33.19 | sparrw | spam and eggs |
| 15:33.21 | sparrw | bacon and spam |
| 15:33.24 | sparrw | bacon and spam and eggs |
| 15:33.29 | sparrw | soup and spam |
| 15:33.32 | nvz | normally bhall sits in here and periodically cycles in and out to check for that stuff |
| 15:33.33 | sparrw | bacon and soup and spam |
| 15:34.01 | karmatronic | cos /me worries a lot of wols happiness |
| 15:34.14 | cast | !ops GiRL[24] is a spammer. sad but tragic truth. no need to rush away to the shower, it was a false alarm |
| 15:34.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: cast complains about: GiRL[24] is a spammer. sad but tragic truth. no need to rush away to the shower, it was a false alarm |
| 15:34.30 | Ronin | umm cast pardon? |
| 15:34.34 | *** join/#debian wfq (n=wfq@spc2-walt6-0-0-cust615.asfd.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 15:34.35 | LoRez | wtf? |
| 15:34.35 | wfq | hi |
| 15:34.40 | *** part/#debian GiRL[24] (n=HotGirl2@88.240.43.227) |
| 15:34.41 | liable | heh, i was thinking the same thing |
| 15:34.42 | wols | liable, karmatronic you all promise but never deliver! |
| 15:34.48 | wfq | does anyone use Hotsanic to monitor their servers? |
| 15:34.50 | nvz | LoRez: wasn't me ;P |
| 15:34.52 | LoRez | cast: don't put in all that bs |
| 15:35.00 | wols | and: not transex or gay pr0n Unless it's wimminz gay pr0n) |
| 15:35.04 | cast | all that is me is bs :( |
| 15:35.25 | foutrelis | Hey :) I'm trying to get ejabberd working on Etch but the version in Etch'es repo is 1.1.2 (latest is 1.1.4) and I see here http://tinyurl.com/2rtskk that 1.1.4 exists for sid. I got the deb of sid but it complains about libc6 or something. My question, is there a chance to get the deb to install easily (without any other changes on the server) or should I try building ejabberd from source? :( |
| 15:35.36 | foutrelis | sorry for the long post :O :( |
| 15:35.49 | wols | !tell foutrelis about simple sid backport |
| 15:36.32 | foutrelis | thanks wols, I 'll try that :) |
| 15:36.32 | hark | complains about libc6 or something :) |
| 15:36.53 | liable | heh, lucky its only that |
| 15:36.59 | *** join/#debian en1gma (n=abc@12-219-57-250.client.mchsi.com) |
| 15:37.01 | *** join/#debian Blwood (n=Blwood@105.238-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 15:37.14 | foutrelis | I know that libc6 is a biggy :P |
| 15:37.37 | wols | foutrelis: you do NOT want to install packages froma different branch directly. you really really don't want it |
| 15:37.40 | *** join/#debian Aliosa27 (n=Aliosa27@c-24-10-178-92.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:37.40 | karmatronic | foutrelis: use sid backport as mentionned , or compile source , or stick to 1.1.2 , but dont update libc6 unless you wanna update your all system to sid ... |
| 15:37.41 | wols | !tell foutrelis about bobbitt |
| 15:38.09 | Alley | is there any know problem with subpixel smoothing for LCDs in debian edge? My Iceweasel looks terrible compared to firefox under ubuntu |
| 15:38.18 | *** join/#debian defected (n=rej@77.49.140.98) |
| 15:38.40 | *** join/#debian streuner (n=streuner@p54A5D33E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:39.14 | wols | Alley: is the config of X proper? |
| 15:39.41 | wols | I had similar problems with fonts when using a 1400x900 19"W display. only stopped after I put in a custom modeline. now it looks purrty again |
| 15:39.56 | Alley | can you define "proper"? I have an emacs suit in my .Xresources but that is all. |
| 15:40.03 | hark | native resolution |
| 15:40.15 | wols | Alley: not .Xresources. your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:40.33 | Alley | I believe so. I have latest nvidia driver installed and running. |
| 15:40.41 | liable | his .. pink .. lucky .. underwear |
| 15:40.58 | *** join/#debian jae (n=jae@e180238176.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:41.26 | wols | Alley: what res does your LCD have? what size exactly? |
| 15:41.42 | Alley | the same is when I run Ubuntu. 1280x1024. |
| 15:42.04 | Alley | fonts in emacs are nice. fonts in iceweasel are jaggy. |
| 15:42.28 | *** join/#debian Iradigalesc (n=Iradigal@wikipedia/Iradigalesc) |
| 15:42.38 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 15:43.17 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 15:44.41 | Alley | I have a slightly more important question. I see with google a lot of people have similar. I have An asus p5k se mobo. Sata HD. Debian installs fine in "compatible" mode, but hangs half way through booting in "enhanced" mode. What drivers are these likely to be and where will I find an update? |
| 15:45.26 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 15:45.33 | wols | Alley: "enhanced" would be AHCI mode? |
| 15:45.40 | wols | you probably need a newer kernel |
| 15:45.49 | infernixx | ahci requires >2.6.20 |
| 15:45.50 | infernixx | afaik |
| 15:46.00 | *** join/#debian Growly (n=himself@125-238-251-116.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) |
| 15:46.06 | Growly | hello everyone |
| 15:46.10 | infernixx | either way, AHCI is the way to go if its supported. upgrade your kernel. |
| 15:46.12 | Alley | wols. no idea. I know that lenny hung at the same point too. |
| 15:46.32 | infernixx | its the best supported interface to SATA |
| 15:46.44 | Alley | so do you have a good link to upgrading my kernel but keeping at "etch" repostiories? |
| 15:46.58 | Growly | just thought i'd interrupt to ask a quick question - why does a freshly formatted drive (to ext3) turn to rubbish after i've copied like 170 over to it? |
| 15:47.15 | Growly | it starts giving "read only file system" and fsck claims that everything's broken |
| 15:47.22 | *** join/#debian greenpower (n=player@gprs-pool-1-001.eplus-online.de) |
| 15:47.27 | sparrw | Growly: tthe drive could be bad |
| 15:47.30 | Alley | if I upgrade kernel, I can keep this one which at least works? |
| 15:47.37 | karmatronic | Alley: yes |
| 15:47.45 | Growly | sparrw - i'd very much like that to be the absolute least likely cause |
| 15:47.50 | wols | Growly: 170 what? carrots? bits? t-shirts? |
| 15:47.54 | Alley | kar, where do I go for uprgade? |
| 15:47.56 | infernixx | just get source, follow general instructions, then update-grub |
| 15:47.57 | wols | Alley: yes |
| 15:47.59 | Growly | Gb |
| 15:48.02 | Growly | oops |
| 15:48.07 | Growly | GB* |
| 15:48.08 | hark | or backports |
| 15:48.10 | *** join/#debian sven_oostenbrink (n=sven@200.77.224.210) |
| 15:48.16 | wols | Alley: have you ever compiled your own kernel? |
| 15:48.19 | \amethyst | Growly: install smartmontools and use smartctl to ask the disk about errors |
| 15:48.33 | Growly | i do this regularly |
| 15:48.35 | Alley | wols: long time ago. but which kernel from where? |
| 15:48.38 | wols | Growly: -t long is the option you need to use |
| 15:48.39 | Growly | because i've had many failing drives recently |
| 15:48.47 | Growly | the drive should be ok |
| 15:48.52 | Growly | could anything else cause this? |
| 15:48.53 | wols | Alley: what debian are you running? |
| 15:48.59 | Alley | etch stable |
| 15:49.07 | wols | !kmuto |
| 15:49.07 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 15:49.10 | Growly | etch i think |
| 15:49.12 | wols | Alley: or look for a backport |
| 15:49.13 | Alley | 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 15:49.19 | *** join/#debian PSyKo (n=PSyK0@213.251.175.147) |
| 15:49.22 | *** join/#debian simon23 (n=simon@p5489FB50.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:49.25 | Alley | backoprt? |
| 15:49.29 | Growly | i can't remember which install this is, i have so many |
| 15:49.29 | *** join/#debian andrewtaylor_ (n=andrewta@88-97-153-133.dsl.zen.co.uk) |
| 15:49.36 | wols | !tell Alley about backport |
| 15:49.41 | wols | Growly: no one asked you |
| 15:49.43 | Growly | i think it's a testing image from '05 |
| 15:49.47 | karmatronic | Alley: this stuff might help you http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
| 15:49.49 | *** join/#debian NooB (n=NooB@213.251.175.147) |
| 15:50.06 | infernixx | actually, I have installed etch amd64 on my laptop recently |
| 15:50.09 | Growly | wols - what are you talking about? Alley just asked me... |
| 15:50.15 | *** join/#debian xerophyte (n=skathirg@216.40.38.232) |
| 15:50.19 | infernixx | that has intel ICH9, also in AHCI mode |
| 15:50.22 | Growly | oh wait |
| 15:50.26 | Growly | sorry wols |
| 15:50.27 | xerophyte | how can i reload kernel module ? |
| 15:50.29 | Growly | sigh |
| 15:50.32 | Growly | it's 4am here |
| 15:50.34 | Growly | i need sleep |
| 15:50.41 | andrewtaylor_ | Does anyone know of any issues with the current stable version of firehol for Etch? I've always used it on my sarge boxes, but I've just installed it to Etch and I'm getting 'runtime command failed to execute' then it's screwing with my iptables to the point I can't get in or out of the box. |
| 15:50.49 | karmatronic | xerophyte: man modprobe |
| 15:50.52 | hark | xerophyte: modprobe |
| 15:50.53 | Growly | i appreciate a mild attempt at help though |
| 15:50.54 | Alley | infernixx: and what kernel? |
| 15:50.54 | *** join/#debian behanw (n=behanw@d38-64-94.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 15:51.03 | fastputty | someone know why whe ni instal openvpn, it doesnt ask me to auto matically create atunnel |
| 15:51.04 | wols | xerophyte: rmmod it and then modprobe it again |
| 15:51.05 | infernixx | Alley: whichever comes with etch. |
| 15:51.15 | cast | andrewtaylor_: its not some syntax mistake making it go insane is it? |
| 15:51.18 | Alley | 2.6.18-5-amd64 then |
| 15:51.20 | infernixx | Alley: but you should check the ahci changelog on linux-sata.org |
| 15:51.32 | infernixx | maybe your hardware is mentioned. what controller is it? |
| 15:51.32 | karmatronic | andrewtaylor_: what is firehol...cos i made a program long time ago and called it /firehole/fireholed .... |
| 15:51.34 | andrewtaylor_ | nope, i started with a copy/paste of my orig config, now I'm down to just one line typed from scratch |
| 15:51.35 | wols | Alley: as someone already told you, there is no ahci support for that kernel |
| 15:51.36 | *** join/#debian Ginzu (n=Ginzu@h105n2fls31o823.telia.com) |
| 15:51.51 | Alley | wols: I know. So how come it worked for infernixx? |
| 15:51.53 | wols | karmatronic: firewall builder |
| 15:51.56 | andrewtaylor_ | firehol is a little iptables builder |
| 15:52.19 | Alley | infernixx: controller? |
| 15:52.23 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@ngl-1-14.shsu.edu) |
| 15:52.23 | wols | Alley: no clue, look at linux-sata as suggested |
| 15:52.28 | *** join/#debian pontusen (i=Yeah@h34n4-hst-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 15:52.38 | infernixx | Alley: it could've been the intel drivers kicking in, i am not 100% sure. I was on Intel ICH9s AHCI mode tho, that i know for sure. |
| 15:52.48 | pontusen | How can I change so I get my swedish characters when sshing? |
| 15:52.56 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=bryant@unaffiliated/maddash) |
| 15:52.57 | liable | hrm, i have an ich7 thats ahci that worked with the 15 kernel |
| 15:53.04 | zophy | does richard stallman have a personal website or a blog ? |
| 15:53.18 | infernixx | ./2.6.18-5-amd64/kernel/drivers/scsi/ahci.ko |
| 15:53.18 | dalias | he has a website |
| 15:53.21 | xerophyte | wols, thanks |
| 15:53.25 | Alley | problem is that I dont know what compatible or enhanced means for the SATA controller for the asus p5k se |
| 15:53.26 | liable | infernixx: with a .18 kernel? |
| 15:53.42 | *** join/#debian jamonation_ (n=jamonati@206-248-133-211.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 15:53.42 | Alley | what do I do to check? |
| 15:53.43 | Ginzu | Are there any nice guis for rsync ? |
| 15:53.45 | infernixx | i'll admit i was pleasantly surprised |
| 15:53.47 | hark | !googlesmite zophy |
| 15:53.54 | infernixx | but it did work |
| 15:54.10 | Ginzu | hark: lol! |
| 15:54.21 | zophy | i found enlightenment |
| 15:54.22 | Alley | infernixx: whas that from a "lsmod"? |
| 15:54.30 | liable | Alley: someone here the other day had that problem, the kmuto installer worked for him |
| 15:54.40 | infernixx | Alley: enhanced is not AHCI per-se. and no, thats find /lib/modules -name \*ahci |
| 15:54.41 | Alley | I have it installed. I am using it. |
| 15:54.45 | liable | infernixx: you sure its ich9 ? |
| 15:55.02 | Alley | but kmuto and lenny both didnt funnily enough. |
| 15:55.13 | infernixx | 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:55.18 | *** join/#debian eusto_ (n=eusto@79.114.167.123) |
| 15:55.19 | infernixx | sorry, my fileserver was ICH9 |
| 15:55.22 | pontusen | how does one change character encoding to swedish? |
| 15:55.26 | *** join/#debian horde (n=superman@cm201.omega59.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 15:55.27 | *** join/#debian jae_ (n=jae@e179063128.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:55.27 | infernixx | lappy is ICH8 in AHCI mode |
| 15:55.34 | wols | !tell pontusen about locales |
| 15:55.41 | horde | hi..may i know what's the command to create a random test file of a specific size? |
| 15:55.47 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 15:55.50 | wols | horde: mand dd |
| 15:55.52 | Alley | 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801IB (ICH9) 2 port SATA IDE Controller (rev 02 |
| 15:55.52 | fastputty | why when i install openvpn, it doesnt ask me to create a TUN/TAP device |
| 15:55.52 | wols | man dd |
| 15:56.12 | *** join/#debian X-Y-Salmons (n=rahsputi@83.181.83.157) |
| 15:56.12 | wols | Alley: we know by know what hw you have. no need to spam the channel |
| 15:56.19 | Ginzu | If anyone have any thoughts regarding an rsync gui, priv or chat about it some.. |
| 15:56.25 | \amethyst | maddash: the echo |
| 15:56.25 | liable | infernixx: and the file server has a .18? |
| 15:56.25 | Alley | wols: relax. It seemed people didnt know. |
| 15:56.27 | \amethyst | doh |
| 15:56.28 | karmatronic | fastputty: try modprobe tun , and if module isnt found , you are to compile a new kernel |
| 15:56.30 | maddash | where are the post-uninstall scripts for a particular package stored? |
| 15:56.38 | \amethyst | maddash: sorry, wrong channel |
| 15:56.43 | infernixx | Alley: ok so, set to compatible, install, upgrade kernel, reboot + set to ahci, ???, profit |
| 15:56.44 | maddash | \amethyst: :) |
| 15:56.48 | liable | infernixx: just wondering cause i have a ich9 board waiting to go in my etch box |
| 15:56.51 | wols | maddash: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:56.52 | hark | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:57.02 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 15:57.06 | infernixx | liable: no, i had a .21 kernel already built, just swapped the hardware |
| 15:57.09 | Alley | but ahci is not enhanced or is? Are we talking grub boot lines or BIOS settings? |
| 15:57.16 | *** join/#debian Hammar (i=frank@dipb140993.dig-prov.de) |
| 15:57.18 | maddash | hark, wols: thanks! |
| 15:57.19 | liable | ah, right |
| 15:57.20 | infernixx | Alley: bios. grub has nothing to do with it |
| 15:57.24 | X-Y-Salmons | Hi, where is the history of the xterm ( arrow up option ) located ? |
| 15:57.24 | wols | Alley: ask asus what "enhanced" is. they sold you the crud |
| 15:57.28 | horde | any other easier command than dd? |
| 15:57.28 | liable | Alley: yes, and grub |
| 15:57.35 | wols | X-Y-Salmons: in memory |
| 15:57.35 | liable | Alley: read the mobo manual |
| 15:57.45 | *** join/#debian plapointe (n=Pierre@c-71-202-86-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:57.58 | Alley | liable: wonderful idea. I never thought of that. It says nothing. Crap documentation. |
| 15:58.20 | Hammar | yes, point and click is fine, but: what excactly happens when i use gnome's "connect to" feature to connect to my, say, flatmates windows share? |
| 15:58.29 | karmatronic | Alley: how do you say its crappy doc if you didnt think of reading it.... |
| 15:58.30 | Alley | liable: so you disagree with infernixx? You say it is a grub setting? help! |
| 15:58.35 | hark | they should get r2 out with a newer kernel |
| 15:58.36 | X-Y-Salmons | wols, ? what memory |
| 15:58.38 | *** part/#debian plapointe (n=Pierre@c-71-202-86-207.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 15:58.43 | Alley | karmatronic: I was being sarcastic. sorry. |
| 15:58.44 | *** join/#debian kenji (n=kenji@fw2.jornada.com.mx) |
| 15:58.48 | wols | X-Y-Salmons: your manin memory? RAM? |
| 15:58.59 | karmatronic | Alley: i was beeing sarcastic too ... |
| 15:59.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 855] by debhelper |
| 15:59.04 | Alley | karmatronic: :) |
| 15:59.07 | x_link | totem-mozilla vs. mozilla-plugin-vlc. Which is best? |
| 15:59.15 | wols | !best |
| 15:59.15 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!. Unlike the rest |
| 15:59.23 | gpm | Hammar: it's using samba |
| 15:59.27 | kenji | hi guys Im trying to build my first debian packages but when I run the dpkg-buildpackages I get this http://rafb.net/p/vT6beA48.html can you help me please? |
| 15:59.32 | X-Y-Salmons | wols, is there a file where it is protocoled |
| 15:59.45 | Hammar | gpm: ok. but where and when does vfs come into play? |
| 15:59.46 | Alley | Sorry, But i need hand holding. Where do I get the latest kernel ONLY from. I dont want to do a full install. Just add a newer kernel to grub. Can I do this? If so where can I find the tutorial? I cant risk losing this stable etch setup. |
| 15:59.54 | wols | X-Y-Salmons: aretha franklin all the way. but "women at play" is for the leecher in me of course |
| 15:59.59 | gpm | dunno |
| 16:00.05 | wols | X-Y-Salmons: no |
| 16:00.14 | *** join/#debian Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@c11-37.icpnet.pl) |
| 16:00.17 | hark | Alley: backports.org is you don't want to compile yourself |
| 16:00.23 | Hammar | gpm: thanks for the answer anyway :) |
| 16:00.24 | infernixx | Alley: 1) set disks to compatible mode, 2) install debian, 3) upgrade kernel to 2.6.21.x and build ahci support, 4) go to bios and set to AHCI (usually enhanced is NOT ahci, there's probably another option to set it) |
| 16:00.41 | X-Y-Salmons | wols, :) then how can i empty the memory? |
| 16:00.52 | X-Y-Salmons | wols, on just the xterm |
| 16:01.02 | wols | X-Y-Salmons: kill xterm |
| 16:01.09 | wols | killall xterm rather |
| 16:01.39 | wols | not really emptying anything of course since the memory won't get overwritten until some other program needs the now freed memory, but oh well |
| 16:01.41 | *** join/#debian mfrisch (n=mfrisch@rrcs-70-62-230-18.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 16:01.57 | kenji | wols do you know how to build a debian package? |
| 16:02.03 | X-Y-Salmons | wols, and the next time i start up my comp. there will be no memory of what i written in the past ( option arrow up ) ? |
| 16:02.14 | Hammar | has someone here had the opportunity to run debian on a Lenovo 3000 N100? |
| 16:02.17 | mfrisch | whats up no nvidia source package in testing?? |
| 16:02.19 | gryfie_ | any hints to a direction for a SHORT description, how to build a debian-package of a tarball? |
| 16:02.20 | liable | Alley: just get the 22 kernel image from sid |
| 16:02.21 | wols | kenji: depends which one. dpkg-buildpakcage if the sources already contain the /debian dir |
| 16:02.24 | Alley | infernixx: there really is no other option. And if enhanced isnt ahci then everything we have talked about is invalid :( |
| 16:02.25 | mfrisch | abrotman: HELLO! |
| 16:02.29 | liable | Alley: and install it with dpkg |
| 16:02.34 | *** join/#debian petter_ (n=petter@static243-165-178.adsl.no) |
| 16:02.39 | abrotman | hi |
| 16:02.57 | kenji | wols I have my debian dir, I ran dh_make --createorig |
| 16:03.02 | *** join/#debian xen_masta (n=xen_mast@phx1.redefining-it.net) |
| 16:03.02 | Alley | liable: how do I do that? add sid to sources.list? |
| 16:03.04 | mfrisch | abrotman: man I need to set up nvidia no source package for lenny> |
| 16:03.06 | \amethyst | X-Y-Salmons: you're talking about the command history? |
| 16:03.10 | abrotman | mfrisch: that's right |
| 16:03.15 | liable | Alley: packages.debian.org |
| 16:03.17 | \amethyst | X-Y-Salmons: that's kept by the shell, not xterm |
| 16:03.19 | wols | abrotman: sources for sid |
| 16:03.19 | Alley | thanks |
| 16:03.23 | abrotman | wols: i know |
| 16:03.23 | X-Y-Salmons | \amethyst, yes :) |
| 16:03.25 | infernixx | Alley: mind you, when you switch modes, your disks will turn up as sdXY instead of hdXY |
| 16:03.27 | \amethyst | X-Y-Salmons: look in .bash_history if you're using bash |
| 16:03.33 | liable | Alley: but then you will manually have to keep it updated for security fixes |
| 16:03.34 | wols | abrotman: liar! |
| 16:03.35 | mfrisch | abrotman: so what can I use the bin from nvidia to build a package? |
| 16:03.48 | \amethyst | X-Y-Salmons: xterm only maintains the shift-pageup scrollback buffer, which is not saved |
| 16:03.49 | abrotman | wols: you just want to see me pantless |
| 16:03.49 | Alley | liable: aargh. sounds awful |
| 16:03.53 | wols | mfrisch: whatr nvidia chip, what debian version? |
| 16:03.58 | mfrisch | abrotman: NO |
| 16:04.06 | liable | Alley: not really, just a new image every once in a while |
| 16:04.12 | X-Y-Salmons | \amethyst, thanks ;) |
| 16:04.12 | xen_masta | hey, you guys ever hear of a filesystem reverting to an old state? I had an ext3-formatted LVM "revert" back to what it looked like about a month ago, and I'm not sure what the hell caused it. After a fsck -f, it came back to normal, but I don't know why it would have done that in the first place. |
| 16:04.13 | wols | abrotman: no. I have a fetish for fried balls. and the smell of the hairs when burnt |
| 16:04.18 | abrotman | mfrisch: sid sources |
| 16:04.25 | mfrisch | wols: uhm lenny and how would I check the chip? it's a hp lappy |
| 16:04.32 | wols | mfrisch: lspci |
| 16:04.35 | jair | liable: does this looks like correct? => http://rafb.net/p/Q4jg7F20.html |
| 16:04.42 | mfrisch | wols: no it need relativily new driver |
| 16:04.52 | \amethyst | X-Y-Salmons: You can do unset HISTFILE if you want bash to not save the current session's history |
| 16:05.13 | kenji | wols :( |
| 16:05.14 | wols | mfrisch: doesn't matter. IIRC no nvidia driver will work with the current lenny kernel. ain't closed source kernel modules great? |
| 16:05.41 | Alley | liable: so I get the package and install with dpkg -i? And if it doesnt work I can just select my current kernel? |
| 16:05.46 | mfrisch | wols: uhm this 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a2) |
| 16:05.48 | wols | !nm kenji |
| 16:05.49 | liable | jair: yep, looks pretty much the same as mine, except i dont have the if= |
| 16:06.05 | liable | Alley: yep |
| 16:06.10 | wols | mfrisch: thats a GF61xx IGP. should be supported by debian |
| 16:06.13 | jair | liable: I did two changes 1)from use=if use=web 2) from ,use=eth1 -> ,use=zoneedit |
| 16:06.30 | Alley | liable: and what did you mean by other images forsecurity? |
| 16:06.40 | liable | jair: if=zoneedit? |
| 16:06.56 | mfrisch | wols: but can I use the lenny mod with 2.6.21-2-k7 need it for the wifi |
| 16:07.01 | *** join/#debian Ajedrez (n=ricardo@63.161.64.248) |
| 16:07.04 | liable | Alley: the kernel gets updated with patches. some are bugs, some are security related bugs |
| 16:07.18 | wols | !tell mfrisch about errors |
| 16:07.22 | liable | jair: give it a whirl anyway, see how it goes |
| 16:08.16 | mfrisch | wols: no errors yet..I just thought the lenny mod for nvidia was for 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 16:08.21 | Alley | liable: so basically keep an eye on the package for updates since its not in my sources.list? |
| 16:08.21 | *** join/#debian MelkorD (n=morgoth@station-21-140-87-77.ticom.pl) |
| 16:08.23 | xen_masta | hey, you guys ever hear of a filesystem reverting to an old state? I had an ext3-formatted LVM "revert" back to what it looked like about a month ago, and I'm not sure what the hell caused it. After a fsck -f, it came back to normal, but I don't know why it would have done that in the first place. |
| 16:08.29 | liable | Alley: exactly |
| 16:08.36 | wols | mfrisch: not the ource |
| 16:08.44 | wols | !m-a mfrisch |
| 16:08.50 | Alley | liable: and this is safe? I have spent 3 days getting this all set up and really dont want to risk it failing :( |
| 16:08.54 | wols | mfrisch: use module-assistant |
| 16:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 848] by debhelper |
| 16:09.20 | *** join/#debian P_Kable (n=P_Kable@ip68-228-32-205.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 16:09.27 | *** join/#debian nik11 (n=niko@cht33-1-82-228-78-181.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:09.27 | mfrisch | wols: am trying to but lenny does not have a nvidia-soure package! that I can find. |
| 16:09.31 | liable | Alley: no. it will break your box horribly |
| 16:09.34 | jair | liable: I change it to => use=web , web=zoneedit |
| 16:09.52 | liable | jair: dunno, i just have use=web |
| 16:09.54 | Alley | liable: great. I need a challenge ... :-; |
| 16:09.59 | jair | it is a command I can use to test and see if it works ? |
| 16:10.10 | liable | jair: just resart ddclient |
| 16:10.14 | wols | !info nvidia-kernel-source lenny |
| 16:10.21 | jair | liable: hmmm |
| 16:10.26 | xerophyte | wols, i tried to remove the netloop module i get this error i could not even reboot the server unregister_netdevice: waiting for veth3 to become free. Usage count = 1 |
| 16:10.34 | liable | jair: there is a manual way, but i set mine up three years ago and havent touched it since :) |
| 16:10.46 | xerophyte | does anybody know how can i reboot the server .. i am on the console |
| 16:10.47 | wols | xerophyte: yu can't remove a module that's in use... |
| 16:10.53 | mfrisch | wols: are you seeing my problem? ;-) |
| 16:10.58 | wols | xerophyte: shut down the interface it serves |
| 16:11.10 | wols | mfrisch: use sid... |
| 16:11.14 | xerophyte | wols, it does not wanna give the prompt |
| 16:11.20 | jair | liable: ddclient -query <= this command maybe? |
| 16:11.23 | xerophyte | wols how can i do it :( |
| 16:11.26 | mfrisch | wols: ok just did not want to bork anything. |
| 16:11.41 | wols | mfrisch: and I can tell you that with nvidia.com installes you will get problems down the road and no one in here will help you except possibly jetscreamer |
| 16:11.47 | liable | jair: probably. |
| 16:11.53 | wols | xerophyte: ifdown <interface> |
| 16:12.02 | *** join/#debian BleSS (n=BleSS@13.Red-88-27-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:12.04 | wols | xerophyte: "give the prompt"? |
| 16:12.05 | *** join/#debian r2r4 (n=a@124.78.9.17) |
| 16:12.16 | BleSS | how change the font size for java applications? |
| 16:12.24 | mfrisch | wols: oh just thought I could download from nvidia and use module-assistant to make the mod. Can I? |
| 16:12.37 | wols | mfrisch: no you cannot |
| 16:12.38 | xen_masta | hey, you guys ever hear of a filesystem reverting to an old state? I had an ext3-formatted LVM "revert" back to what it looked like about a month ago, and I'm not sure what the hell caused it. After a fsck -f, it came back to normal, but I don't know why it would have done that in the first place. |
| 16:12.48 | liable | jair: check the man page, it has a ton of examples |
| 16:13.04 | mfrisch | wols: ok sid source...THANKS |
| 16:13.07 | wols | xen_masta: really bad journal fsckup? |
| 16:13.19 | wols | mfrisch: running non stable is a bitch... |
| 16:13.21 | *** join/#debian fastputty (n=dsadsads@modemcable046.76-70-69.static.videotron.ca) |
| 16:13.24 | *** join/#debian Oyama (n=daffy@86.66.212.14) |
| 16:13.24 | jair | liable: ok I will do that |
| 16:13.25 | r2r4 | why debian does not give a copy of manpages-dev of tgz or something else? it only shows a .deb |
| 16:13.27 | wols | xen_masta: of time travel. take your pick |
| 16:13.31 | jair | liable: thank you |
| 16:13.36 | liable | np |
| 16:13.41 | r2r4 | why debian does not give a copy of manpages-dev of tgz or something else? it only shows a .deb i hate that |
| 16:13.45 | fastputty | openvpn did not create a tunnel tun0 for me during installation. someone got an idea or it just me? |
| 16:13.45 | pableras | anyone an expert in networking can lend me a hand with danted? |
| 16:13.47 | wols | r2r4: cause debian only distributes debis. it's DEBIAN... |
| 16:13.50 | pableras | i got a couple questions |
| 16:13.51 | mfrisch | wols: uhm I can just use nvidia I don't want to run sid.... |
| 16:13.57 | \amethyst | r2r4: .debs are easy to extract |
| 16:13.57 | xerophyte | wols, its not giving the prompt |
| 16:14.03 | r2r4 | wols ........... |
| 16:14.06 | wols | mfrisch: if you do, you're on your own |
| 16:14.11 | xerophyte | wols its keep giving me that error and it keeps goes :( |
| 16:14.19 | GarryFre | Argh, that sounds painful xen_masta, I had something like that happen with "Source Safe half a dozen times, I called it source unsafe, I would go and find my code reverted back to something months old. |
| 16:14.22 | wols | r2r4: read some docs and learn to use debian |
| 16:14.23 | r2r4 | i really think tgz is better |
| 16:14.34 | r2r4 | in fact i do not like debian |
| 16:14.43 | wols | r2r4: then run slackware and stop trolling here please. you are OT |
| 16:14.46 | *** join/#debian acollins (n=acollins@82-44-72-28.cable.ubr04.nmal.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:14.57 | \amethyst | r2r4: ar x foo.deb data.tar.gz |
| 16:14.58 | helo | dpkg: automount is "automounting is handled by hal and ivman. for normal users to have rw access to an automatically mounted drive, add them to group plugdev" |
| 16:14.58 | dpkg | ...but automount is already something else... |
| 16:14.58 | mfrisch | wols: uhm were all on our own ;-) Is there other dependencies for nvidia that could not jive? |
| 16:14.59 | GarryFre | Never insult the helpers. |
| 16:15.00 | kenji | wols I can't create the package, it show the same error, can you help me? |
| 16:15.02 | helo | dpkg: autmount? |
| 16:15.05 | liable | i have shit to do tomorrow, so i should be going to bed, but i have gotten into night owl mode and dont feel tired. i guess another beer might help |
| 16:15.07 | *** join/#debian skandaleras (n=luiz@84.77.180.186) |
| 16:15.08 | \amethyst | r2r4: now you have a data.tar.gz with the entire package contents |
| 16:15.14 | helo | wth is automount?? i can't get him to tell me anything about it |
| 16:15.16 | r2r4 | thank u amethyst |
| 16:15.17 | liable | helo: /msg dpkg foo |
| 16:15.21 | wols | mfrisch: I told you nvidia.com is not supported here. ask #nvidia or something |
| 16:15.25 | *** join/#debian Tidus (n=dontneed@unaffiliated/tidus) |
| 16:15.27 | kenji | wols: look at this http://rafb.net/p/xHTrxz80.html |
| 16:15.30 | wols | !tell kenji about errors |
| 16:15.32 | helo | liable: nothing... |
| 16:15.38 | Alley | liable: one more question. Which kernel do you recommend? Sid? |
| 16:15.42 | *** join/#debian greenpwr (n=player@gprs-pool-1-008.eplus-online.de) |
| 16:15.44 | liable | helo: gnome-volume-manager in gnome, ivman in other wm, dunno what kde uses |
| 16:15.47 | mfrisch | wols: THE SID NVIDIA with Lenny is what I am asking! |
| 16:16.13 | wols | kenji: it clearly tells you filename and line it has a beef with. why can't you change it? |
| 16:16.15 | kenji | wols: you don't see the URL? |
| 16:16.16 | *** join/#debian ukine (i=ukine@67-70.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 16:16.25 | wols | and probably fix your debian/. what are you compiling anyways? |
| 16:16.37 | helo | doh... crappy epic4 window handling was hiding his replies... mb ;) |
| 16:16.37 | liable | Alley: well, i would, but infernixx said his ich9 works on the .21 from lenny, so thats prolly the better choice for a stable box |
| 16:16.39 | pableras | i got danted socks server listening for a particular IP, that is the firewall of a friend.. the thing is i only want to accept connections from him, and not from his friends behind his firewall, is there any way to block the others ? they all share the same public IP, but have different private IPs |
| 16:16.42 | kenji | wols: Im compiling pound |
| 16:16.51 | kenji | wols: I don't understand the error |
| 16:16.58 | \amethyst | mfrisch: the sid nvidia-kernel-source is going to build a module that needs the sid nvidia-glx |
| 16:17.05 | *** join/#debian gridl0ck (n=cube@pdpc/supporter/active/radius) |
| 16:17.14 | mfrisch | \amethyst: that is what I was asking THANKS |
| 16:17.21 | wols | kenji: your changelog is badly formatted and you possibly have an error in one of your /debian/ files |
| 16:17.26 | *** join/#debian safruhani (n=chatzill@62.244.221.61) |
| 16:17.39 | kenji | wols: what filenam and in witch line have the beef? |
| 16:17.53 | mfrisch | wols: \amethyst so sid is flaky? |
| 16:17.56 | wols | pableras: no |
| 16:18.04 | wols | !sid |
| 16:18.04 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 16:18.06 | \amethyst | mfrisch: lenny is flaky |
| 16:18.12 | \amethyst | mfrisch: (and sid) |
| 16:18.20 | wols | amphi: lenny is (slightly) less flaky |
| 16:18.25 | *** join/#debian aliumalik (i=aliumali@spnp217083.spnp.nus.edu.sg) |
| 16:18.31 | \amethyst | wols: Not in terms of nvidia drivers right now :) |
| 16:18.44 | liable | lenny is a pain for missing packages because they are being tough on people with rc bugs and new things coming |
| 16:18.50 | liable | in |
| 16:18.51 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 16:18.51 | wols | why? they are more stable than ANY other software in lenny :P |
| 16:19.01 | infernixx | im not getting it. its like super easy to apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx && apt-get -b source nvidia-glx && dpkg -i nvidia*deb && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 16:19.09 | infernixx | thats on etch with sid as deb-src |
| 16:19.20 | liable | smarty pants |
| 16:19.23 | wols | kenji: where did you get your debian/ ? |
| 16:19.28 | xerophyte | wols do you have any idea how can i get the prompt back again |
| 16:19.37 | infernixx | thats why debian is so great imo. but ymmv |
| 16:19.46 | mfrisch | \amethyst: man I just want X to stop crashing...uhm I need some softcuror option..at least...I think. |
| 16:19.50 | kenji | wols: I did dh_make --createorig |
| 16:19.52 | BleSS | how change the font size for java applications? |
| 16:20.01 | xerophyte | wols i even issue shutdown command its didnt' work |
| 16:20.02 | mfrisch | \amethyst: softcursor? |
| 16:20.12 | GarryFre | LoL, I like that destructive kid refernce. |
| 16:20.19 | wols | xerophyte: paste your current prompt please |
| 16:20.29 | *** join/#debian zir0faive (n=zir0faiv@mar92-2-82-67-214-216.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:20.30 | kenji | wols: then I did dch -i but it drop that error and if I do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot I get the same :S |
| 16:20.46 | *** join/#debian osmosis (n=steven@cpe-76-80-127-252.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 16:20.48 | wols | kenji: do a sort of backport by using the pound debian source and it's debian/ files (imho) |
| 16:20.53 | \amethyst | mfrisch: I don't know what nvidia calls it |
| 16:20.59 | *** join/#debian spiros_ (i=spiros@4.22.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net) |
| 16:21.04 | *** join/#debian Kwitschibo_ (n=Michael@host-091-096-230-236.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 16:21.09 | *** join/#debian c0rnd0g (i=c0rny@cpepool1-81.bayoucable.com) |
| 16:21.10 | c0rnd0g | hi |
| 16:21.23 | liable | !eat c0rnd0g |
| 16:21.24 | c0rnd0g | what is package with "network admin, services admin" and such? |
| 16:21.30 | mfrisch | \amethyst: this is not the source right? nvidia-graphics-legacy-71xx-modules-i386_1.0.7185+1.tar.gz |
| 16:21.31 | kenji | wols: I don't understand your instructions :S |
| 16:21.33 | gryfie_ | mozilla-vlc is the best ;) |
| 16:21.34 | wols | !tell c0rnd0g about search |
| 16:21.41 | xerophyte | wols, unregister_netdevice: waiting for veth3 to become free. Usage count = 1 it repeats continuely |
| 16:21.44 | *** join/#debian behrad (n=TolstoyI@91.98.70.81) |
| 16:21.49 | \amethyst | mfrisch: unless you have an old old card, no |
| 16:21.50 | c0rnd0g | liable: no just shrink whats underneath dat pls |
| 16:21.53 | wols | kenji: what instructrions are you following? |
| 16:22.02 | gryfie_ | grr...... window-content was scrolled to top, sorry |
| 16:22.09 | kenji | wols: but I can't use the pound debian source because I need the 2.3 version not the 2.1 |
| 16:22.11 | wols | xerophyte: either give me a decent paste one can see what you're actually doing or stop beothering please |
| 16:22.16 | mfrisch | \amethyst: can I use a "softcursor" with the nv driver? |
| 16:22.30 | wols | kenji: but you could start with the debian/ directory from the debian source |
| 16:22.45 | \amethyst | mfrisch: Option "HWCursor" "off" for the nv driver |
| 16:23.10 | spiros_ | everytime i run apt-get install openssh-server or various other packages apt-get tells me i need to insert the netint cd i used to install the os, why is that? |
| 16:23.10 | kenji | wols: ammm what should I do? |
| 16:23.25 | spiros_ | do i need to update apt-get or something? |
| 16:23.26 | \amethyst | mfrisch: you can do man nv to get the list of nv-specific options |
| 16:23.40 | wols | kenji: I just told you. twice |
| 16:23.50 | kenji | wols: download the debian pound source and copy the debian dir? |
| 16:23.57 | wols | spiros_: edit your sources.list |
| 16:24.02 | wols | kenji: yes |
| 16:24.10 | mfrisch | \amethyst: uhm can I add it to dpkg-reconfigure somewhere or do I edit xorg.conf ?? |
| 16:24.20 | spiros_ | how would i go about do doing that wols? |
| 16:24.31 | \amethyst | mfrisch: I don't know about the former... I just edit xorg.conf |
| 16:24.37 | *** join/#debian Vyrus001 (n=vyrus001@adsl-69-231-77-167.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 16:24.40 | kenji | wols: and what Im going to do if I need to build a package for a program that its not in the debian repo? |
| 16:24.48 | *** join/#debian sven_oostenbrink (n=sven@200.77.224.210) |
| 16:24.55 | kenji | wols: from where Im going to copy the debian dir? |
| 16:24.57 | mfrisch | \amethyst: still got to do the checksum update for a hand edit? |
| 16:25.04 | wols | !tell kenji about nm |
| 16:25.06 | \amethyst | mfrisch: checksum update? |
| 16:25.25 | wols | kenji: you write your config. just doing a magic dh_* incantation will not be enough |
| 16:25.36 | xerophyte | wols, http://www.pastebin.ca/697688 thats all i get i can not even get out the command line |
| 16:25.38 | wols | silver bullets don't exist |
| 16:25.53 | mfrisch | \amethyst: oh you had to run something for it to stick for updates and stuff I though it checksumed xorg.conf |
| 16:26.01 | kenji | wols: you need to learn how to easy build packages, learn to portage and emerge ;) |
| 16:26.12 | c0rnd0g | mebbe dar is no `apt-cache search services-admin` mebbe i need a nonUbuntu or Debian Proper handling of services and not "oH oK i AM stoned and need to have dis tell me what to do" |
| 16:26.14 | xerophyte | wols, after i sad modprobe -r netloop thats all iget and i with serial console .. i am not able to break away from there |
| 16:26.14 | wols | !gentoosmite kenji |
| 16:26.21 | *** part/#debian BleSS (n=BleSS@13.Red-88-27-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:26.30 | c0rnd0g | mebbe dis have a UI or GUI interface? |
| 16:26.45 | wols | kenji: and that is NOT "build packages". all you do is the same as apt-get install foo there. only that your compiler needs to do more and you have to wait a lot longer |
| 16:26.59 | wols | the intellectual achievement of yourself is exactly the same |
| 16:27.00 | *** join/#debian deriaN (n=nopron@0x5358ecd8.abnxx13.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 16:27.07 | liable | i am sure he was banned here not that long ago |
| 16:27.16 | wols | liable: kenji? |
| 16:27.20 | liable | yes |
| 16:28.04 | xerophyte | wols, do you have any idea |
| 16:28.07 | *** join/#debian bkw (i=bkw@guest-13.control.lth.se) |
| 16:28.17 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:28.39 | kenji | wols: as you wish wols ;) the reality is that the development tools of debian are small and primitive |
| 16:28.42 | *** join/#debian wombat^_^ (n=nemo@60-242-110-35.tpgi.com.au) |
| 16:28.43 | wols | xerophyte: do you have a ssh shell there? or X? |
| 16:28.59 | mfrisch | \amethyst: THANKS! |
| 16:29.07 | *** part/#debian mfrisch (n=mfrisch@rrcs-70-62-230-18.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 16:29.09 | wols | kenji: the reality is that you are small and primitive |
| 16:29.21 | jair | liable: what do you have in the line => use=web, web=dyndns ,=? |
| 16:29.26 | kenji | wols: you say |
| 16:29.31 | jair | liable: what do you have in the line => use=web, web=dyndns <=? |
| 16:29.42 | xerophyte | wols, i have serial console connection |
| 16:29.50 | liable | jair: just use=web |
| 16:30.09 | *** join/#debian dkr (n=dkr@alita-alt.wirespring.net) |
| 16:30.11 | jair | web=dyndns -> here is I am using dyndns right but what about the second setting ? , web=? |
| 16:30.11 | xerophyte | wols, using cyclade .. i have serial console but i could not anything because i get that error |
| 16:30.33 | liable | jair: dunno, the only use i have is use=web |
| 16:30.39 | wols | your serial console is the main console and will spout that crap forever |
| 16:31.03 | jair | can you paste your configuration on pastebin? |
| 16:31.07 | kenji | having dev packages can be a security risck? |
| 16:31.13 | vnWrK | yup |
| 16:31.21 | liable | sure |
| 16:31.27 | kenji | tnks liable |
| 16:31.30 | jair | liable: Thank you |
| 16:31.37 | vnWrK | its in dev so they ain't always fully patched |
| 16:31.40 | *** part/#debian xen_masta (n=xen_mast@phx1.redefining-it.net) |
| 16:31.45 | vnWrK | againt vulnerabilities |
| 16:32.27 | liable | jair: http://rafb.net/p/myENAO92.html |
| 16:32.37 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 16:32.38 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@M1146P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 16:32.48 | *** join/#debian sunway (n=sunway_b@124.64.68.69) |
| 16:33.02 | *** part/#debian sunway (n=sunway_b@124.64.68.69) |
| 16:33.13 | *** join/#debian AM|R (n=gomo@124.82.86.132) |
| 16:33.17 | *** join/#debian Blwood (n=Blwood@247.236-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 16:33.42 | *** join/#debian NineTails (n=ninetail@81-178-108-176.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 16:33.49 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:34.29 | *** join/#debian clustermagnet (n=clusterm@cpe-69-203-81-59.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 16:35.38 | *** join/#debian diafic (n=Greyscal@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:35.43 | jair | liable: I am checking |
| 16:36.29 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:36.52 | *** join/#debian tibi (n=tibi@57.96.203.62.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 16:36.59 | *** join/#debian drmitch (n=mike@host-83-146-107-208.midco.net) |
| 16:37.48 | spiros_ | i have the auth daemon running on port 113 what /etc/init.d service does this daemon correspond to? |
| 16:37.58 | *** join/#debian dvst (i=dvst@190.75.119.214) |
| 16:38.16 | liable | spiros_: grep 113 /etc/services |
| 16:38.24 | wols | identd I thought |
| 16:38.29 | liable | oh, you know :) |
| 16:38.38 | liable | ya i believe so |
| 16:38.48 | spiros_ | cool thanks guys |
| 16:38.59 | wols | spiros_: netstat -anp|grep 113 |
| 16:39.00 | *** join/#debian efaistos (i=efaistos@m99.net81-66-191.noos.fr) |
| 16:39.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 855] by debhelper |
| 16:39.06 | wols | to see which program is repsonsible |
| 16:39.27 | *** join/#debian jae (n=jae@f051071049.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:39.31 | spiros_ | yep its inetd =) thanks for the right flags |
| 16:39.37 | *** join/#debian eth01 (i=foobar@cpc3-stkp3-0-0-cust606.manc.cable.ntl.com) |
| 16:39.40 | spiros_ | i was messing with netstat but didn't get the right flags |
| 16:39.43 | eth01 | how can i restart samba on debian? |
| 16:39.43 | *** join/#debian Ajedre1 (n=ricardo@63.161.64.248) |
| 16:39.52 | wols | eth01: /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 16:40.44 | eth01 | how come it's asking for a username/password on the windows box? |
| 16:41.07 | wols | cause you need one? |
| 16:41.23 | wols | man smbpasswd |
| 16:41.26 | dkr | because you configured samba to require one, which is a good idea |
| 16:41.32 | eth01 | i don't want it too... |
| 16:41.52 | *** join/#debian Sontax`lap (n=sontax@ip5456e030.speed.planet.nl) |
| 16:42.00 | liable | yep, share those shares with the world. let that pr0n be free! |
| 16:42.23 | eth01 | that's going to be impossible, as it's for internal use only. |
| 16:42.34 | eth01 | and their is no WAN access. |
| 16:42.38 | liable | mmhmm |
| 16:42.44 | dkr | eth01: you can set it to automatically mount a saher with the same suer and pass. you don't have to enter it every time |
| 16:42.48 | dkr | share |
| 16:43.01 | wols | eth01: ssh forwarding is liable's friend. just do it! |
| 16:43.06 | eth01 | hmmm, my smb.conf is relatively simple though. |
| 16:43.38 | dkr | I don't see how that contradicts anything we said |
| 16:43.52 | eth01 | as for asking for a username/pass it does. |
| 16:44.50 | dkr | eth01: man smb.conf and search for password |
| 16:44.50 | *** join/#debian Gankaroo (n=gdfh@a706b.pellava.tontut.fi) |
| 16:45.00 | Gankaroo | hi |
| 16:45.13 | liable | i hated and struggled setting up sambe the only time i tried it |
| 16:45.23 | Gankaroo | hey, for some reason the date of my server is running 1 hour too slow |
| 16:45.39 | Gankaroo | how can i set the correct date to it so that the apache understands it too? |
| 16:45.54 | liable | !set the time |
| 16:45.54 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 16:46.03 | dkr | yeah, samba is not plug and play, you have to actually read the config instructions to learn how to make it do what you want. :) |
| 16:46.29 | Gankaroo | hmm |
| 16:46.32 | Gankaroo | reboot is not an option |
| 16:46.44 | eth01 | useradd -d /users/07/tmarkey -s /bin/false -n tmarkey << would that work? |
| 16:46.47 | dkr | Gankaroo: maybe you have configured the wrong timezone? |
| 16:46.55 | liable | dkr: and making sense of the errors sucks, because ten different problems give the same error |
| 16:47.26 | *** join/#debian lrp (i=luis@200.14.48.55) |
| 16:47.31 | liable | Gankaroo: who said anything about a reboot? |
| 16:47.39 | lrp | help me in here i need to convert .avi video to flv any ideas ? |
| 16:47.43 | Gankaroo | dkr: yeah, I noticed that after installing the ntp and rebooting it had changed my timezone |
| 16:47.47 | Gankaroo | now its fine :> |
| 16:47.59 | dkr | he must be a windows user. in linux you hardly ever after to reboot aside from modifying the kernel itself |
| 16:48.10 | dkr | Gankaroo: cool |
| 16:48.13 | *** join/#debian SmallR2002 (n=SmallR20@79-74-87-33.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 16:48.29 | Gankaroo | liable: The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot |
| 16:48.31 | *** join/#debian Aubustou_ (n=Gentoux@APoitiers-153-1-56-33.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:48.51 | dkr | or never reboot at all, and let ntp maintain their time. :) |
| 16:48.57 | liable | Gankaroo: ah, right, but you dont need to reboot to set the time now :) |
| 16:49.10 | *** join/#debian bony (n=bhuvan@swecha/bony) |
| 16:49.36 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=lordlame@e177113064.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:49.55 | *** join/#debian ShadowMajestic (n=donkey@3E339CE5.dslaccess.aol.com) |
| 16:50.03 | jair | liable: Thank you very much, i think is working though |
| 16:50.20 | bony | has any one tried to configure hp all-in-one printer,fax,scan in debian? i have successfully configured print,scan but don't know how to configure fax. cause i don't have a serial cable with me but the printer is connected through LAN and USB cable |
| 16:50.22 | *** join/#debian basix (n=basix@unaffiliated/basix) |
| 16:50.32 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 16:50.36 | *** join/#debian Glenn^BF (n=fburlet@user-85-201-6-28.tvcablenet.be) |
| 16:50.43 | liable | jair: sweet |
| 16:50.51 | wols | bony: what has the fax to do with how the printer is attached? |
| 16:50.52 | liable | jair: think? |
| 16:50.58 | wols | what modem do you want to use for faxing? |
| 16:51.23 | jair | liable: I am checking the syslog and I still getting messages there :( |
| 16:51.29 | jair | I think i know what I will try |
| 16:51.42 | *** join/#debian Petrov (n=petrov@16.157-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 16:52.33 | bony | wols, well as far as i have seen and read about fax in linux most of the places say that a modem is connected to the system through serial port, were as this device is not connected to the system through serial port hence i though it may have some effect of fax not getting configured |
| 16:52.33 | liable | jair: what errors? |
| 16:52.42 | *** join/#debian jaalto (i=jaalto@a81-197-175-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:52.56 | wols | bony: answer my question please |
| 16:53.10 | liable | i have a fax/printer/scanner thing, i dont think i can send faxes from a box to it |
| 16:53.27 | *** join/#debian wfq (n=wfq@spc2-walt6-0-0-cust615.asfd.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 16:53.29 | wols | ah, a shitty all in one thing. good luck ever getting linux drivers for ANYTHING of it |
| 16:53.34 | *** join/#debian _6 (n=_@203.99.177.137) |
| 16:53.45 | *** join/#debian MDMA_zaspa (n=debian@90.154.192.24) |
| 16:53.46 | liable | wols: i can print and scan |
| 16:53.55 | wols | liable: then you're lucky I guess |
| 16:54.06 | bony | wols, well the device is a hp 3055 printer,scanner,fax machine i configured this device to print and scan from a pc but i am unable to do the same with fax |
| 16:54.09 | liable | wols: no, i checked before i bought it :P |
| 16:54.25 | jair | cannot connect to zoneedit1:80 socket: IO::Socket::INET: Bad hostname 'zoneedit1' |
| 16:54.31 | jair | liable: cannot connect to zoneedit1:80 socket: IO::Socket::INET: Bad hostname 'zoneedit1' |
| 16:54.36 | jair | :( |
| 16:54.41 | liable | jair: paste your config again |
| 16:54.44 | bony | wols, i don't know how to get the fax detected to the pc through USB or LAN cable |
| 16:54.46 | jair | ok |
| 16:55.10 | *** join/#debian darkstar (n=darkstar@unaffiliated/darkstar) |
| 16:55.53 | bony | liable, haven't you tried doing it? |
| 16:56.13 | jair | liable: http://rafb.net/p/mV1FbQ62.html |
| 16:56.13 | bony | liable, i mean sending faxes from a pc to the device |
| 16:56.20 | liable | bony: nope |
| 16:56.29 | liable | jair: brb |
| 16:56.43 | bony | liable, is it possible? |
| 16:57.30 | *** part/#debian _MDMA_ (n=debian@90.154.192.24) |
| 16:57.44 | liable | bony: i dont think so |
| 16:57.45 | *** join/#debian nunu (n=nunu@p57A66BCF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:58.12 | valdyn | bony: what kind of fax is this from the pc's perspective? |
| 16:58.52 | c0rnd0g | hi |
| 16:59.03 | bony | valdyn, any document or a photo |
| 16:59.21 | valdyn | bony: no that's not what im talking about. |
| 16:59.23 | jair | liable: ok |
| 16:59.23 | bony | valdyn, oops sorry for pc's perspective it is a usb fax system |
| 16:59.55 | valdyn | bony: there's active modems that can be used as fax machines, there's winmodems that can _also_ be used as fax machines, both needing totally different software to be run |
| 17:00.00 | wols | bony: chances are you can't. basically sort of a "winmodem2 |
| 17:00.07 | *** join/#debian TrueDD (n=dsimon@dan75-2-82-67-149-198.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:00.34 | valdyn | bony: winmodems are fine too, in case there's a sound driver for that thing |
| 17:00.58 | bony | valdyn, yeah but i don't know what modem is there in the device :-( |
| 17:01.13 | valdyn | bony: talk to the vendor |
| 17:01.18 | *** join/#debian sven_oostenbrink (n=sven@200.77.224.210) |
| 17:01.33 | bony | valdyn, just a sec i will find out from hp site |
| 17:01.52 | *** join/#debian rstanca (n=radu@unaffiliated/rstanca) |
| 17:01.59 | ampex | I just got done growing my four disk raid 5 into a six disk and debian won't boot anymore (root fileysystem is this array). Is there a rescue CD I can use that is RAID and LVM aware so I can take a look at what is going on? |
| 17:02.34 | valdyn | bony: i can imagine that this fax could aswell just be another 'slot' on your printer. Whatever hp did there.. |
| 17:02.49 | gener1c | if i am using etch and i download the testing package from the debian website can i use apt-get to install vmare? |
| 17:02.51 | lindenl1 | Anyone know how to make logwatch run once per host in the logs? (i.e. on a centralized logging server). |
| 17:03.20 | liable | jair: i doubt it will help, but try with the server stanza above the protocol one |
| 17:03.24 | bony | valdyn, well i am able to send and receive fax on the device |
| 17:04.06 | bony | valdyn, i even read the user guide in that they have given documentation for how to install and get the fax working in windows |
| 17:04.09 | spiros_ | i think i made a booboo, i ran update-rc.d -f inetd remove and now it appears i've stop all services from listening on a port |
| 17:04.30 | *** join/#debian rogier (n=rogier@137-117-dyn.ipact.nl) |
| 17:04.40 | DGnome | http://pastebin.ca/697710 <-- what might be wrong? |
| 17:04.45 | *** join/#debian characte1 (n=lsmith@192.135.141.2) |
| 17:04.47 | spiros_ | i'd like remedy that but i'm not quite sure how |
| 17:05.00 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:05.09 | valdyn | bony: look at 'apt-cache show hplip' to grok what i mean "hpfax:" |
| 17:05.42 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:05.50 | TrueDD | hi all |
| 17:05.52 | bony | valdyn, i did that but when i tried to send a fax the send fax button is not active |
| 17:05.58 | *** join/#debian zly (n=zly@5634dfcf.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 17:06.01 | *** join/#debian eide (n=eide@unaffiliated/eide) |
| 17:06.01 | DGnome | http://pastebin.ca/697710 <-- what might be wrong? forgot the part that says, I'm creating a local mirror of etch with debmirror |
| 17:07.40 | valdyn | DGnome: get the public key.. |
| 17:08.25 | jair | liable: hmmmI am cheking that message I am getting on the syslog online |
| 17:08.52 | valdyn | DGnome: like 'gpg --recv-keys 1F41B907' for instance, you can specify a keyserver too, see gpg manpage |
| 17:08.52 | DGnome | valdyn: so i have to download the public-key from somewhere and put it where exactly? :) |
| 17:09.06 | DGnome | valdyn: k |
| 17:09.14 | valdyn | DGnome: nowhere, gpg stores it and finds it |
| 17:09.24 | DGnome | valdyn: oh, okay, thanx :) |
| 17:09.48 | liable | hrm, my old TP hard drive is buzzing |
| 17:09.51 | *** join/#debian frosch (n=wk@M2094P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 17:09.59 | valdyn | DGnome: theoretically you need to get that public key from a trustworthy source, or else this verifying is pointless |
| 17:10.08 | liable | i think shes gonna blow captain! |
| 17:10.20 | supaman | shut down the core |
| 17:10.40 | gener1c | apt-get -t stable dist-upgrade |
| 17:10.42 | *** join/#debian mephis (n=mephisto@91.89.146.123) |
| 17:10.47 | gener1c | will upgrade to testing |
| 17:10.48 | gener1c | ? |
| 17:10.55 | liable | erm |
| 17:10.58 | valdyn | gener1c: -t stable sounds like stable |
| 17:11.02 | liable | wheres your logic in that? |
| 17:11.14 | gener1c | stable upgrade to testing |
| 17:11.15 | gener1c | lol |
| 17:11.24 | karmatronic | gener1c: apt-get dist-upgrade will be enough |
| 17:11.38 | gener1c | that will upgrade to the next? |
| 17:11.52 | gener1c | will it automaticlly update my sources.list? |
| 17:11.57 | supaman | -t testing would be more appropriate but yeh .. dist-upgrade should upgrade to the one you have defined in your sources.list |
| 17:11.57 | karmatronic | gener1c: no |
| 17:12.02 | gener1c | crap |
| 17:12.06 | *** join/#debian ukine (i=ukine@67-70.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 17:12.07 | valdyn | gener1c: you should read the apt-get manpage |
| 17:12.16 | gener1c | i am now lol |
| 17:12.20 | *** join/#debian d0uglas (i=douglas@250-54.customer.cloud9.net) |
| 17:12.24 | *** join/#debian maddash (n=bryant@unaffiliated/maddash) |
| 17:12.32 | gener1c | just had to understand that line fully |
| 17:12.34 | jair | liable: it works I think but in syslog shows this => WARNING: caught SIGTERM; exiting each time I do "/etc/init.d/ddclient restart" |
| 17:12.44 | *** join/#debian lv (n=lv@ip68-3-13-140.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 17:12.52 | karmatronic | jair: what s your pb? |
| 17:12.53 | d0uglas | Hi. What's an app i can get that can probe for a host's OS in addition to its various daemons? |
| 17:12.58 | liable | jair: thats what doing that would do :P |
| 17:12.59 | d0uglas | ... other than going to netcraft |
| 17:13.01 | wols | nmap |
| 17:13.03 | *** join/#debian Jussi (n=jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 17:13.07 | d0uglas | ahh yes, nmap, tks |
| 17:13.14 | *** join/#debian wfq_ (n=wfq@spc2-walt6-0-0-cust615.asfd.broadband.ntl.com) |
| 17:13.16 | karmatronic | d0uglas: nmap -O |
| 17:13.24 | d0uglas | nice karmatronic |
| 17:13.46 | *** join/#debian alexfranci_ (n=alex@host182-53-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 17:13.46 | jair | liable: ???? |
| 17:13.50 | maddash | is it safe for me to purge openbsd-inetd? |
| 17:14.03 | *** join/#debian sven_oostenbrink (n=sven@200.77.224.210) |
| 17:14.07 | jair | karmatronic: well I am trying to fidn a way to test if the update is happening properly |
| 17:14.08 | liable | jair: restarting the daemon sends it a SIGTERM, so.. |
| 17:14.14 | valdyn | maddash: probably |
| 17:14.20 | jair | liable: so it should be ok? |
| 17:14.23 | liable | jair: is it updating the ip ? |
| 17:14.25 | liable | jair: yes |
| 17:14.38 | jair | liable: well the ip has not change yet |
| 17:14.50 | maddash | yay! |
| 17:14.51 | liable | jair: go to there web interface and check it |
| 17:14.52 | *** join/#debian claudio- (i=ident@pool-71-178-62-39.washdc.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:15.06 | *** part/#debian claudio- (i=ident@pool-71-178-62-39.washdc.east.verizon.net) |
| 17:15.12 | liable | depends if anything runs from it |
| 17:15.25 | jair | liable: is been the same all day, I can access my web server from the office and can ssh to the machine using the dns name "pcguruji.com" |
| 17:15.27 | infernixx | hrm. what would cause a dd if=/dev/dvd of=/tmp/debian_4.0_dvd.iso to do only 4.5MB/sec? |
| 17:15.28 | karmatronic | jair: wel lif you want to check if it updates well ,go the web page and manually put a ficticious ip.the nru nyour program |
| 17:15.50 | liable | jair: oh, ok. guess you'll find out next time your router reboots. |
| 17:15.54 | jair | karmatronic: ?? |
| 17:16.08 | jair | liable: correct |
| 17:16.08 | liable | karmatronic: good idea |
| 17:16.19 | d0uglas | can anyone figure out what mx2.msys.intellispace.net is running (OS and MX)? nmap's coming up dry |
| 17:16.28 | d0uglas | and telnetting to 25 doesn't reveal much |
| 17:16.29 | infernixx | hda: ATAPI 24X DVD-ROM DVD-R-RAM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33). that should be good for more than 4.5mb/sec i'd hope >.< |
| 17:16.30 | liable | jair: set the ip with your web browser, and see if the server updates it |
| 17:16.38 | \amethyst | d0uglas: err, why? |
| 17:16.40 | *** join/#debian pickcoder (n=blah@97.66.29.210) |
| 17:17.11 | jair | liable: you mean go to the zoneedit site? |
| 17:17.17 | *** part/#debian Gankaroo (n=gdfh@a706b.pellava.tontut.fi) |
| 17:17.19 | liable | yes |
| 17:17.21 | d0uglas | \amethyst: it's my company's off-site mx host apparently and I am building our subsidiary's server and want to propose using the same as what they're using and i doubt our IT dept knows |
| 17:17.30 | DGnome | d0uglas: do you own that machine? It's illegal to probe hosts for open services and stuff you know :) |
| 17:17.37 | abrotman | illegal ? |
| 17:17.40 | jair | liable: and thens test it even when is not real? |
| 17:17.45 | d0uglas | ... we're their client |
| 17:17.47 | jair | liable: I see |
| 17:18.05 | jair | liable: I guess I can test than and then run the updater ddclient |
| 17:18.17 | jair | karmatronic: is this what you are refering to? |
| 17:18.32 | maddash | I thought, "liable -> bed" |
| 17:18.33 | karmatronic | jair: yes |
| 17:18.34 | *** join/#debian fl4mi (n=WooOoo@85.94.226.69) |
| 17:18.38 | jair | karmatronic: so I can test if the perl script is talking with the zone edit site |
| 17:18.48 | jair | maddash: Thanks |
| 17:18.58 | jair | karmatronic: I will check that |
| 17:18.59 | d0uglas | DGnome: we pay them to use it, so i'd say that qualifies as a low but high enough level of ownership to probe it |
| 17:19.05 | jair | karmatronic: thank you so much |
| 17:19.16 | d0uglas | maybe not |
| 17:19.21 | *** join/#debian efaistos (i=efaistos@m99.net81-66-191.noos.fr) |
| 17:19.22 | karmatronic | d0uglas: well its not illegal, |
| 17:20.22 | *** join/#debian gentgeen__ (n=kevin@c-67-172-21-44.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 17:20.47 | gener1c | i cant find a section for adding mirrors |
| 17:20.58 | gener1c | apt-mirror i think its called |
| 17:21.34 | Ronin | gener1c: nano, jed, vi, vim |
| 17:21.37 | karmatronic | gener1c: manually adding mirrors will be as fast... |
| 17:21.39 | d0uglas | well i know it's ESMTP. Is enhanced SMTPDing a microsoft thing? and nmap reports for a tcp fingerprint "SInfo(V=4.11%P=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu%D=9/14%Tm=46EAC159%O=9%C=1) |
| 17:21.51 | gener1c | yeah |
| 17:21.55 | d0uglas | ... so is unknown-linux-gnu probably a valid yes to linux? |
| 17:22.08 | Ronin | gener1c: you're probibly thinking apt-setup? that was removed for etch upwards |
| 17:22.09 | karmatronic | d0uglas: no its not a w$ thing |
| 17:22.29 | karmatronic | d0uglas: no |
| 17:22.29 | gener1c | can i add a testing mirror additional to the etch ? itll chose the new packs |
| 17:22.32 | *** join/#debian LikeVinyl (n=likeviny@OL168-152.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 17:22.42 | Ronin | gener1c: only if you want to kill your install |
| 17:22.47 | gener1c | lol |
| 17:22.56 | gener1c | i just want to install vmware |
| 17:23.15 | gener1c | =/ |
| 17:23.30 | gener1c | so i s/stable/testing ? |
| 17:23.40 | efaistos | hi is there some problems with xorg pkg ? |
| 17:23.43 | karmatronic | gener1c: i dont think testing is self-mandatory in order to run vmware anyway |
| 17:23.54 | abrotman | gener1c: did you ask #vmware ? |
| 17:23.56 | d0uglas | karmatronic: No to the tcp fingerprint clue or no to ESMTP being more common on one os versus the other? |
| 17:24.01 | gener1c | humz |
| 17:24.03 | gener1c | yeah |
| 17:24.16 | gener1c | it borders ur department |
| 17:24.24 | *** part/#debian techbee (n=atul@pccms22.cmsfarm1.ba.infn.it) |
| 17:24.25 | karmatronic | d0uglas: no to the fingerprint clue, its not really accurate |
| 17:24.36 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 17:24.36 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p54BF2454.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:24.41 | efaistos | running lenny on one box it works but not on the other one ... |
| 17:25.01 | karmatronic | efaistos: is the other box a computer ? |
| 17:25.18 | efaistos | no why ? |
| 17:25.26 | gener1c | asked again now |
| 17:25.44 | *** join/#debian buscon (n=term@host-84-220-90-252.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 17:26.07 | karmatronic | efaistos: i mean if it s a car, it will probabÃly not run debian |
| 17:26.31 | karmatronic | efaistos: although with all that embedded movement,you never know... |
| 17:26.40 | *** join/#debian aarcane (n=aarcane@ichigo.aarcane.org) |
| 17:27.09 | aarcane | hi, does debian's syslog support logging to mysqld directly or using a named pipe ? |
| 17:27.46 | *** join/#debian marek` (i=jdegges@cpe-76-87-180-5.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 17:28.24 | *** part/#debian maddash (n=bryant@unaffiliated/maddash) |
| 17:28.36 | *** join/#debian behanw (n=behanw@d38-64-94.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 17:29.03 | *** join/#debian cjns3274 (n=weechat@ool-45702981.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 17:30.28 | *** join/#debian JosefAssad (n=jassad@196.205.175.65) |
| 17:30.32 | karmatronic | aarcane: larr ypage told me watch here http://librenix.com/?inode=7093 |
| 17:31.31 | *** join/#debian N0S3 (n=cristian@host39.201-253-188.telecom.net.ar) |
| 17:31.37 | N0S3 | hello all |
| 17:31.44 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@U10b1.u.pppool.de) |
| 17:32.13 | *** join/#debian basix (n=basix__@unaffiliated/basix) |
| 17:32.48 | adelgado | hi all i need help writing a script that modifies the group file under /etc/ |
| 17:33.50 | *** join/#debian moprilo (n=jjohn@201.192.35.137) |
| 17:33.51 | supaman | adelgado: be more specific then that |
| 17:33.52 | karmatronic | adelgado: its an easy one, it s called addgroup |
| 17:33.52 | sohmestra | adelgado: cool! thanks for letting us know that! |
| 17:33.56 | adelgado | basically I wan to be able to add the entry everyone to my $user group |
| 17:33.58 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:34.07 | *** join/#debian NiCeBoY (i=StaFF@ADSL-TPLUS-100-183.telecomplus.net) |
| 17:34.16 | *** join/#debian marcfp (n=Marc@33.Red-213-98-129.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:34.19 | marcfp | hello |
| 17:34.20 | *** join/#debian olri (n=olri@p548912DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:34.24 | moprilo | hi guys.. I use iptables to do nat/gw at my office, but my vpns don't pass through.., have any idea what i should do ? |
| 17:34.26 | adelgado | no group add will not add another group that is already on the system |
| 17:34.42 | *** part/#debian olri (n=olri@p548912DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:34.47 | *** part/#debian NiCeBoY (i=StaFF@ADSL-TPLUS-100-183.telecomplus.net) |
| 17:34.54 | sohmestra | adelgado: gpasswd -a adelgado somegroup |
| 17:34.59 | sohmestra | adelgado: something like that? |
| 17:35.00 | marcfp | i have problems with mysql, if i don't put -h 127.0.0.1 i can't connect to mysql shell, but if i put -h 127.0.0.1 i can login into mysql shell, can anyone help me please ? |
| 17:35.34 | dkr | marcfp: how is that a problem? you have access |
| 17:35.43 | adelgado | so for example I have a testgroup and another one called everyone |
| 17:35.59 | adelgado | how will add testgroup to the everyone group |
| 17:36.04 | marcfp | dkr: my problem is that i have a weblog using lamp with drupal |
| 17:36.11 | dkr | marcfp: you can edit ~/.my.cnf to put default arguments to use for mysql client if the issue is you don't want to type so much |
| 17:36.14 | adelgado | gpasswd -a tesgroup somegroup ??? |
| 17:36.19 | sohmestra | adelgado: you can't have groups of groups. |
| 17:36.40 | sohmestra | adelgado: groups only contain users, not groups |
| 17:36.47 | dkr | marcfp: running on the same machine as mysql? |
| 17:36.53 | marcfp | dkr: yes |
| 17:37.04 | dkr | marcfp: so what's the problem? |
| 17:37.05 | supaman | adelgado: so you want to add evey individual in testgroup to the everyone group? |
| 17:37.14 | adelgado | yes correct |
| 17:37.26 | dkr | havnig a weblog is not really aproblem, I guess unless it uses too much of your time... ;) |
| 17:37.35 | adelgado | but i have been sucessful at all |
| 17:37.37 | adelgado | :( |
| 17:37.50 | marcfp | dkr: the problem is that mysql doesn't run for my weblog |
| 17:38.07 | adelgado | im also tryin to understand the structure of the group file |
| 17:38.29 | dkr | marcfp: you mean that the cgi code is not configured to connect to mysql properly |
| 17:38.37 | sohmestra | adelgado: for x in `grep testgroup /etc/group |cut -d: -f2- |tr ',' ' '`; do gpasswd -a x everyone; done |
| 17:38.43 | marcfp | dkr: yes |
| 17:39.02 | *** join/#debian lv_ (n=lv@ip68-3-13-140.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 17:39.10 | sohmestra | adelgado: I didn't test that... |
| 17:39.12 | marcfp | dkr: can you help me, please ? |
| 17:39.22 | adelgado | ok let me see |
| 17:39.27 | dkr | marcfp: so configure it properly? I know how to specify which host to connect to in my perl cgis, i don't know what your code is in |
| 17:39.37 | *** join/#debian Chascon (n=chatzill@pc-110-100-83-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 17:39.39 | adelgado | thanks for ur reply |
| 17:39.43 | dkr | ah, drupal is a php app. perhaps read the drupal configuration instructions |
| 17:39.55 | sohmestra | adelgado: oops. you'll have to stick "$" in front of the 2nd "x" in that script |
| 17:40.28 | adelgado | ok |
| 17:40.30 | adelgado | cool |
| 17:40.42 | adelgado | so lets say im reading this off a file |
| 17:41.18 | adelgado | no nevermind |
| 17:41.29 | adelgado | i see the point lol |
| 17:41.42 | odla | if i'm just running windowmaker is there a way (no gnome installed) is there a way to adjust the size of my fonts so that all my GTK apps have a smaller font size? |
| 17:42.22 | dkr | probably |
| 17:42.41 | hark | ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 17:42.56 | jair | karmatronic: yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! got it see this => Sep 14 12:39:17 rhenan ddclient[5736]: SUCCESS: updating pcguruji.com: IP address set to 67.36.176.172 (200: Update succeeded.) |
| 17:42.59 | odla | hark: how would i tell it to use size 9 fonts instead of 10? |
| 17:43.22 | jair | karmatronic: thank you for that advise on testing and checking the syslog :) |
| 17:43.34 | jair | kamaI am done with that cool ;) |
| 17:43.44 | *** join/#debian deny[all] (n=pdiablo@unaffiliated/denyall/x-000001) |
| 17:43.49 | jair | karmatronic: I am done have a great day |
| 17:43.52 | *** join/#debian wildevil (n=jrh@dsl231-048-195.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 17:43.55 | *** join/#debian duns_s (n=duns_s@mnhm-590c0a96.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 17:43.57 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 17:45.00 | hark | try gtk-font-name="fontname size" |
| 17:45.40 | odla | hark: i am sorry i dont know what the fontame would be? sans serif? |
| 17:45.52 | *** join/#debian Pricey (n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild) |
| 17:46.12 | aarcane | so I take it there's no rsyslogd package installed on debian... |
| 17:46.45 | hark | odla: sure, say Sans Serif 10 |
| 17:47.40 | odla | hark: thanks that worked |
| 17:48.18 | hark | odla: for more info: http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/gtk/GtkSettings.html |
| 17:48.30 | *** join/#debian kuyky_ (n=kuyky@a81-84-127-196.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 17:48.35 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@83-70-46-50.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 17:49.52 | marcfp | dkr: i'm using drupal weblog ... |
| 17:51.46 | *** join/#debian protoloco_ (n=stealth@cablelink27-251.telefonia.intercable.net) |
| 17:52.08 | *** join/#debian Cripps (n=Cripps@stjhnf0127w-142162009053.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) |
| 17:52.18 | *** join/#debian nomatte1 (n=Stefan@N525P006.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 17:52.21 | odla | is there a way to adjust the fonts in openoffice.org like that too? |
| 17:52.32 | nomatte1 | hi |
| 17:52.32 | lindenl1 | !tell me about debian |
| 17:52.40 | nomatte1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.46 | nomatte1 | after a little time login prompt cames back again |
| 17:52.51 | nomatte1 | anybody an idea how to fix this |
| 17:53.34 | nomatte1 | ??? |
| 17:53.37 | gryfie_ | what are userdates? |
| 17:53.43 | gryfie_ | user-datas? |
| 17:53.45 | Cripps | I'm having issues with sound when I wake up my computer. When I turn on my computer after using hibernate, I don't get any audio output. I've checked my mixer levels, made sure my user is in the audio group, restarted alsa, and even ran alsaconf, all with no success. I haven't been able to find any useful information on google about this issue. Can somebody help me figure out what's causing this anomaly? |
| 17:54.24 | *** join/#debian dex (n=dex@acnq188.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 17:54.24 | nomatte1 | username and pwd |
| 17:54.51 | gryfie_ | ok... you used adduser, I guess= |
| 17:54.51 | nomatte1 | on the normal login shell |
| 17:54.54 | *** join/#debian maxdoubt (n=maxstout@user-38lm3s0.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 17:55.13 | nomatte1 | is there any problem with this? |
| 17:55.31 | valdyn | Cripps: reload the alsa modules |
| 17:55.35 | amphi | Cripps: try modprobe -r-ing the snd modules and re-modprobing them; if that works, you can have your hibernate script do that |
| 17:55.38 | *** join/#debian base3_ (n=base3@client-86-27-177-39.popl.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 17:55.55 | valdyn | Cripps: like '/etc/init.d/alsa force-reload' |
| 17:55.58 | gryfie_ | maybe there'se someone else is those who got the mails |
| 17:56.07 | gryfie_ | with the wrong login-warnings |
| 17:56.11 | nomatte1 | no |
| 17:56.16 | nomatte1 | not the warning is the problem |
| 17:56.18 | nomatte1 | *gg* |
| 17:56.20 | nomatte1 | thats ok |
| 17:56.31 | nomatte1 | i mean the mail thing is no problem |
| 17:56.33 | nomatte1 | its a new system |
| 17:56.50 | Cripps | valdyn, actually, the only alsa entry in init.d is alsa-utils |
| 17:56.51 | *** join/#debian zido (n=zido@80.178.2.55.adsl.012.net.il) |
| 17:57.05 | nomatte1 | and when i enter my username and pwd it authentifies but after it i come back to the loginshell instead of becoming a zsh |
| 17:57.05 | valdyn | Cripps: so you haven't got installed alsa properly, probably |
| 17:57.38 | valdyn | Cripps: what does '/etc/init.d/alsa-utils' give? |
| 17:57.40 | Cripps | valdyn, interesting. That's odd because sounds has worked before (before and after using the hibernate script) ... |
| 17:57.45 | Cripps | valdyn, just a sec |
| 17:57.47 | *** join/#debian komposter (n=komposte@ppp91-76-82-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 17:57.56 | nomatte1 | gryfie_: u understend? |
| 17:58.00 | Cripps | shcherbakov:/home/acripps# /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 17:58.00 | Cripps | Shutting down ALSA...done. |
| 17:58.00 | Cripps | Setting up ALSA...done. |
| 17:58.05 | *** join/#debian lvmnew (n=xyz@g1spf.jeeves.ask.info) |
| 17:58.10 | Cripps | sorry for the *long* paste. |
| 17:58.17 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-50-177.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 17:58.18 | valdyn | Cripps: no, run _just_ /etc/init.d/alsa-utils |
| 17:58.22 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 17:58.23 | Cripps | oh. |
| 17:58.24 | lvmnew | hello folks are there any known issues for using a LVM2 logical partition for swap ? |
| 17:58.27 | Cripps | k. just a sec. |
| 17:58.32 | *** part/#debian maxdoubt (n=maxstout@user-38lm3s0.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 17:58.38 | *** join/#debian jimbalaya (n=jimbalay@ip-66-80-236-72.bos.megapath.net) |
| 17:58.39 | *** join/#debian rmayorga (n=rmayorga@unaffiliated/rmayorga) |
| 17:58.40 | valdyn | lvmnew: no |
| 17:58.45 | *** join/#debian gryfie__ (n=gryfie@p4FD20F05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:58.50 | Cripps | valdyn, Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils {start [CARD]|stop [CARD]|restart [CARD]|reset [CARD]} |
| 17:58.57 | lvmnew | valdyn: thanks |
| 17:59.00 | *** join/#debian RLa (n=rlaanemt@90-190-52-138-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 17:59.09 | nomatte1 | i think i'll try a new installation |
| 17:59.10 | gryfie__ | reeee |
| 17:59.21 | valdyn | Cripps: which debian release is this? |
| 17:59.22 | nomatte1 | or has anybody a better idea? |
| 17:59.30 | valdyn | !find etc/init.d/alsa etch |
| 17:59.35 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@U10b1.u.pppool.de) |
| 17:59.36 | Cripps | valdyn, sorry, I forgot to mention that :P ... etch |
| 17:59.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'etc/init.d/alsa' (2): (/etc/init.d/alsa) in sound/alsa-base ;; (/etc/init.d/alsa-utils) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 18:00.00 | gryfie__ | nomatte1, : I've another solution |
| 18:00.02 | Cripps | I'm installing alsa-base now |
| 18:00.18 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-e286cf29b102866e) |
| 18:00.27 | *** join/#debian mixman_ (i=net@84.32.74.241) |
| 18:00.27 | valdyn | Cripps: you sould install linux-sound-base |
| 18:00.29 | *** join/#debian scribz (n=ming@82-41-33-40.cable.ubr05.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:00.49 | RLa | hey, i want to install ethernet and audio driver from nvidia but it requires kernel source to compile modules, now, is there an easy way to install sources of running kernel into place where nvidia driver install utility can find it. my debian version is 4.0 |
| 18:00.50 | nomatte1 | ok what is it? |
| 18:01.12 | valdyn | RLa: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:01.14 | xand | RLa: are you sure you need to do that? |
| 18:01.30 | gryfie__ | check inside /etc/passwd if you typed the correct user-names |
| 18:01.44 | *** join/#debian Juul (n=Juul@wnn29067.wireless.dtu.dk) |
| 18:01.47 | nomatte1 | username and pwd are ok |
| 18:01.52 | gryfie__ | and then use passwd thecorrectnickname |
| 18:01.53 | RLa | xand, no, before i have always used distro where kernel sources were available by default |
| 18:01.57 | valdyn | RLa: that said, the free drivers are probably better and even less problematic and also supported by nvidia |
| 18:01.57 | gryfie__ | and set new nicknames |
| 18:02.01 | fastputty | openvpn did not create a tunnel tun0 for me during installation. someone got an idea or it just me? |
| 18:02.02 | *** join/#debian Cripps (n=Cripps@stjhnf0127w-142162009053.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) |
| 18:02.02 | nomatte1 | i can't |
| 18:02.05 | nomatte1 | authentification is ok |
| 18:02.06 | gryfie__ | new passwd |
| 18:02.09 | davi | Where can I get Nvidia 1.0.9755-1 o newer? |
| 18:02.10 | nomatte1 | i see it |
| 18:02.15 | nomatte1 | i get correct authentification |
| 18:02.17 | nomatte1 | but no shell |
| 18:02.26 | gryfie__ | and inside passwd is the correct shell? |
| 18:02.33 | gryfie__ | for this users? |
| 18:02.52 | Cripps | valdyn, /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload destroyed kicker, so I had to log out of my session. I'm guessing it just killed every process trying to access sound. |
| 18:02.52 | nomatte1 | yes |
| 18:02.54 | RLa | valdyn, aren't those drivers i download from nvidia homepage free? |
| 18:02.59 | nomatte1 | i'll try to install again |
| 18:03.01 | Cripps | kde played the welcome sound on the way in though. |
| 18:03.03 | Gm4n | I need some help... w reports "load average: 228.98, 237.68, 235.63". What on EARTH could this be? |
| 18:03.06 | valdyn | Cripps: right |
| 18:03.07 | gryfie__ | ok, then I've no idea |
| 18:03.11 | simonrvn | RLa: no |
| 18:03.16 | RLa | valdyn, or what kind of freedom you mean? |
| 18:03.19 | nomatte1 | iof there is the same problem again i'll try more |
| 18:03.27 | nomatte1 | but i think that would be the faster way |
| 18:03.34 | Cripps | RLa, free as in free speech. Open. |
| 18:03.48 | valdyn | Cripps: suspend/resume might work now if your hibernate uses that /etc/init.d/alsa thing or else you might need to add that to your hibernate script |
| 18:03.50 | RLa | oh, i thought they were |
| 18:04.06 | Cripps | valdyn, I test that later. thanks for the help, I appreciate it. |
| 18:04.12 | Juul | hi, i'm trying to install using the etch r1 netinstall, i'm doing this on an EPIA EX 10000EG (a Via mini-itx motherboard). the harddrive i'm installing on is a brand new 320 gig Western Digital sata drive. When the installer is formatting the partitions (ext3) it takes a very long time and then i get: kernel: hda: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { busy } |
| 18:04.12 | xand | RLa: no, I mean did you try and see if there's drivers in the kernel already |
| 18:04.14 | Cripps | *I'll |
| 18:04.25 | Juul | can anyone throw me a few hints? |
| 18:04.39 | Cripps | RLa, no, there's no 3d accellerated free nvidia drivers. |
| 18:04.50 | RLa | xand, i tried modprobe nvnet, there was no module |
| 18:05.13 | RLa | it could not find my ethernet at boot so it is not compiled into kernel too |
| 18:05.20 | xand | I see |
| 18:05.24 | valdyn | RLa: free as free software |
| 18:05.26 | gryfie__ | Any ideas how I can give all the keypressings, expect the one I've choosen to the virtualopc (vmware-server) ? |
| 18:05.27 | `Vinz` | bye |
| 18:05.46 | RLa | Cripps, can you guess what video card i'm running? |
| 18:06.15 | Cripps | RLa, nope. |
| 18:06.17 | gryfie__ | Ctrl-Alt-F(n) does switch to the host-consoles |
| 18:06.20 | RLa | it's 2MB matrox from 1996 |
| 18:06.30 | RLa | :) |
| 18:07.10 | RLa | so no 3d for me although the board supports dual vga in sli |
| 18:07.19 | d0uglas | I'm looking for an OWA-like web-based imap mail client that is blackberry-friendly. Anything like that for Linux? |
| 18:07.35 | *** join/#debian _go (n=_go@ntkngw133237.kngw.nt.ftth.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) |
| 18:07.55 | *** join/#debian craig (n=craig@c-24-6-134-169.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:07.58 | *** join/#debian pocukrani (n=pocukran@89-212-86-225.static.dsl.t-2.net) |
| 18:08.16 | RLa | ok, i still need ethernet support, so, where i could find free nvidia drivers, or, maybe, they come with debian install dvd's? |
| 18:08.18 | d0uglas | No? How about push email serving? |
| 18:08.23 | d0uglas | coming up dry on apt |
| 18:08.31 | valdyn | RLa: 'forcedeth' |
| 18:08.33 | *** join/#debian Nick_is_GG (n=billy_24@0x5552b452.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 18:09.10 | JosefAssad | mm, wondering. To go etch->lenny, it's just s/etch/lenny/ in /etc/apt/sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:10.33 | RLa | valdyn, i tried modprobe forcedeth and it recognized eth0 |
| 18:10.43 | RLa | thanks, i think it's working |
| 18:11.11 | *** join/#debian jae_ (n=jae@e180244179.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:11.22 | RLa | hm, now, how could i get interface up and make it obtain ip for itself using dhcp? |
| 18:11.35 | valdyn | RLa: 'dhclient eth0' |
| 18:11.56 | AM|R | RLa : dhclient |
| 18:12.11 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.64.218) |
| 18:13.16 | jeward | When does support for sarge officially end? I need to make an upgrade schedule for about 220 servers. |
| 18:13.26 | AM|R | or RLa: aptitude install dhcp-client ; dhclient |
| 18:13.27 | AM|R | :) |
| 18:13.46 | valdyn | !sarge support |
| 18:13.57 | AM|R | jewardL: wow 220 servers.. |
| 18:14.02 | valdyn | jeward: something like etch + 1 year |
| 18:14.10 | AM|R | !sarge support |
| 18:14.19 | valdyn | jeward: but - there's an official rule that i dont know atm |
| 18:14.45 | RLa | AM|R, i tried the command but it shows error message |
| 18:14.51 | valdyn | !sarge eol |
| 18:14.58 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 18:14.58 | dpkg | sarge is probably Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. ISO repository still exists: http://cudlug.cudenver.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:15.04 | *** part/#debian N0S3 (n=cristian@host39.201-253-188.telecom.net.ar) |
| 18:15.07 | biz | hi, is it possible to map a key to a string like mapping mod2+h to "hello" using xmodmap? |
| 18:15.18 | *** join/#debian evilgimp__ (n=evilgimp@bas1-stcatharines10-1096572257.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 18:15.26 | RLa | it said: "error while getting interface flags: no such device" |
| 18:15.59 | *** join/#debian tukki (n=lordlame@d121192.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 18:16.21 | *** join/#debian i3d (n=i3dmaste@unaffiliated/i3dmaster) |
| 18:16.22 | Daveman | Hello friends |
| 18:17.06 | RLa | although the dmesg said: "eth0: forcedeth.c : subsystem: xxx bound to xxx" |
| 18:17.15 | xand | Hello cavemen |
| 18:17.17 | *** join/#debian NoFX_SBC (n=nofxsbc@200-150-189-9.corp.ajato.com.br) |
| 18:17.19 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:17.32 | DustyBin | ive mounted a hard disk image to /dev/hdf is there a way to get vmware to boot from that hd ? |
| 18:17.35 | valdyn | RLa: which command gave you the error? |
| 18:17.59 | xand | DustyBin: why on earth are you mounting things in /dev? |
| 18:18.09 | DustyBin | sorry not mount |
| 18:18.16 | DustyBin | i have a .img on my desktop and i used this command |
| 18:18.24 | *** join/#debian Moox (n=dgo@77-56-134-124.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:18.27 | jetscreamer | RLa: i saw somebody say something once about how their forcedeth eth# keeps incrementing... eth0,eth1,eth2...eth25... incrementing on reboots i think |
| 18:18.32 | *** join/#debian pableras (n=predator@124.189.216.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 18:18.36 | xand | anyway, ask #ubuntu... |
| 18:18.38 | xand | erm |
| 18:18.41 | DustyBin | gunzip -c generic.img | dd of=/dev/hdf bs=16k |
| 18:18.42 | xand | #vmware :) |
| 18:18.42 | RLa | dhclient eth0 gave me the error above |
| 18:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 849] by debhelper |
| 18:19.07 | Moox | hi there. We need help to reverse engineer itunesdb for the new ipod, more information on #gtkpod and we also need some votes here http://digg.com/linux_unix/Apple_forces_new_iPods_to_use_iTunes to inform the world about the problem |
| 18:19.26 | RLa | shouldn't i bring the interface up someway before i can actually use it, ifconfig shows only loopback device |
| 18:20.00 | *** join/#debian nipagini (n=nipagini@80-218-66-226.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:20.14 | *** join/#debian lv (n=lv@ip68-3-13-140.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 18:20.19 | nipagini | hi, does someone know how i can install a greek font? |
| 18:20.26 | nipagini | i can't find any greek fonts with apt |
| 18:20.31 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search greek? |
| 18:21.09 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=ecarmi08@163.41.144.120) |
| 18:21.16 | nipagini | i've tried that ;-) |
| 18:21.18 | jetscreamer | i'd watch out fo rthat gentium one... |
| 18:21.24 | jetscreamer | so.... ? |
| 18:21.25 | JosefAssad | Moox: I'll swap you a digg vote for 5.5 video capability :) |
| 18:21.34 | nipagini | i've installed that |
| 18:21.46 | Moox | JosefAssad: what ? |
| 18:21.49 | jetscreamer | you mean you want it in console? |
| 18:21.53 | nipagini | but it doesn't produce greek letters in gimp |
| 18:21.57 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:21.57 | JosefAssad | Moox: ipod 5.5; the 80 Gb one |
| 18:22.03 | *** join/#debian ukine (i=ukine@68.200.70.67) |
| 18:22.03 | nipagini | neither in opern office! |
| 18:22.09 | JosefAssad | Moox: never mind, just being silly |
| 18:22.23 | jetscreamer | but it works elsewhere? iirc there are gimp lang packs, and iirc also greek ? |
| 18:22.23 | *** join/#debian valdyn (n=valdyn@cl-38.muc-02.de.sixxs.net) |
| 18:22.23 | Moox | JosefAssad: yes, the ipod classic is probably the same new itunesdb that the nano |
| 18:22.26 | *** join/#debian kuyky_ (n=kuyky@a81-84-127-196.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 18:22.31 | *** join/#debian utka2 (n=utka@5ac83608.bb.sky.com) |
| 18:23.00 | jetscreamer | but no idea .. you can ask in #gimp on irc.gimp.org server maybe.. there's and ##oo somewhere |
| 18:23.11 | jetscreamer | ##openoffice.org i think |
| 18:23.57 | *** join/#debian Ariel_Calzada (n=aricalso@200.29.106.116) |
| 18:24.01 | jetscreamer | it might just be that you need to set your system up as greek though |
| 18:24.05 | jetscreamer | beyond me |
| 18:24.05 | nipagini | jetscreamer, it's not greek in gedit either |
| 18:24.27 | jetscreamer | is it set to greek in xorg.conf ? |
| 18:24.34 | jetscreamer | when you drxx |
| 18:24.36 | jetscreamer | !drxx |
| 18:24.36 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 18:24.46 | *** part/#debian bony (n=bhuvan@swecha/bony) |
| 18:24.55 | nipagini | hmm |
| 18:25.25 | jetscreamer | you might ask in the greek chan but no idea |
| 18:25.25 | nipagini | what do i have to write into the xorg file to set it to greek? |
| 18:25.27 | jetscreamer | !gr |
| 18:25.27 | dpkg | gr is probably for help in greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el ; gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el. General Resolution |
| 18:25.40 | nipagini | ok lets try |
| 18:26.00 | jetscreamer | nipagini: not sure what to handedit, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 'should' show it somewhere |
| 18:26.17 | nipagini | ok let me try |
| 18:26.19 | *** join/#debian kronic (n=blowfish@28.64.87.203.static.vic.chariot.net.au) |
| 18:27.16 | jetscreamer | g'luck...all i know |
| 18:27.23 | nipagini | jetscreamer, nope it doesn't ask for fonts! |
| 18:27.23 | *** join/#debian jpin (n=jpinto@duonghome.NMSU.Edu) |
| 18:28.26 | *** part/#debian Moox (n=dgo@77-56-134-124.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:29.17 | *** join/#debian valdyn (n=valdyn@cl-38.muc-02.de.sixxs.net) |
| 18:30.55 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@83-70-46-50.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 18:31.36 | *** join/#debian gkiagia (n=gkiagia@ppp100-66.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 18:31.48 | *** join/#debian crazyRussian (i=alex@198.188-224-87.telenet.ru) |
| 18:32.17 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 18:32.48 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@unaffiliated/cydork) |
| 18:33.16 | jeward | When does support for sarge officially end? I need to make an upgrade schedule for about 220 servers. |
| 18:33.25 | jeward | Sorry if I missed any responses before. |
| 18:34.46 | *** join/#debian ding_ (n=ding@32.143.51.122) |
| 18:34.57 | *** join/#debian xdr (n=xdr@c83-248-40-72.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 18:35.24 | gener1c | say |
| 18:35.38 | gener1c | some mirrors say testing main |
| 18:35.47 | gener1c | some say testing contrib main |
| 18:36.14 | gener1c | what does the contrib stand for? |
| 18:36.23 | gener1c | exactly |
| 18:36.37 | gener1c | except for contribute |
| 18:36.45 | cydork | !tell gener1c -about contrib |
| 18:36.58 | Ronin | and maybe enter as well ;) |
| 18:36.59 | *** join/#debian vyrus001 (n=vyrus001@adsl-69-231-77-167.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 18:37.49 | *** join/#debian PriceChild (n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild) |
| 18:37.53 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 18:39.22 | cydork | heh. :) |
| 18:39.36 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 18:39.53 | jeward | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.16 | *** join/#debian CheekyBoinc (n=foobar@p50920137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:40.39 | *** join/#debian dansushi[server] (n=dan@pool-71-184-237-147.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 18:40.40 | gener1c | lol that is why i didnt find it |
| 18:40.44 | gener1c | vmware is non-free |
| 18:40.52 | cydork | !tell gener1c -about enter |
| 18:41.42 | cydork | jeward: mostly year or so. that should be mentioned on debian.org |
| 18:41.43 | gener1c | lol , thank you for that , i needed someone to tell me to stop , sometimes i just get carried away. |
| 18:41.48 | Ginzu | Crap it is, doesnt even handle the xserver i heard |
| 18:42.06 | abrotman | gener1c: debian can't distribute vmware |
| 18:42.11 | Ginzu | Vmware, pull your shit together! |
| 18:42.37 | jeward | cydork: I'm looking all over debian.org and can't find mention of sarge support ending. |
| 18:42.45 | gryfie__ | ginzu: vmware runs the x-server |
| 18:43.06 | *** join/#debian vyrus001 (n=vyrus001@adsl-69-231-77-167.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 18:43.15 | holycow | how do you clean out held back packages again? |
| 18:43.23 | Ginzu | Plus, having to patch the vmmon and vmnet tgz's is very bad. (used the common install) |
| 18:43.36 | gryfie__ | there's a special vmware-video-module |
| 18:43.55 | abrotman | !tell holycow about held back |
| 18:44.13 | Ginzu | gryfie__: uninstall then install for Linux using the common setting (Maybe they listened maybe they didnt) |
| 18:44.25 | *** join/#debian zapalotta (n=ddd@frbg-590e0f2d.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 18:44.34 | holycow | abrotman: thanks dude, thats very informative |
| 18:44.40 | abrotman | is that sarcasm ? |
| 18:44.42 | *** join/#debian TheDreamer (n=youri@root.dyndns.org) |
| 18:44.45 | Ginzu | gryfie__: code it right, dont pretend |
| 18:44.49 | streuner | !held back |
| 18:44.49 | dpkg | i guess kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 18:45.11 | streuner | abrotman: thats informative, isnt it? ;-) |
| 18:45.18 | abrotman | i'm not sure .. |
| 18:45.22 | abrotman | can't ever tell with holycow |
| 18:45.23 | Ginzu | gryfie__: Dont get me wrong though, i could like vmware if i had any use for it |
| 18:45.28 | cydork | jeward: debian generally supports old stable for year after the new stable is released. I really don't remember where on debian.org it is mentioned. :) |
| 18:45.28 | streuner | maybe he want a smite then :-) |
| 18:45.29 | zapalotta | Hello. I restarted my etch server, now mdstat tells me that /dev/md2 is "auto-read-only". What does that mean? |
| 18:45.40 | holycow | heh |
| 18:45.43 | zapalotta | I tryed mdadm /dev/md2 --readwrite |
| 18:45.55 | streuner | </sarcasm> |
| 18:45.59 | Ginzu | holycow: Swallowed a chicken ? |
| 18:46.16 | *** join/#debian androide (n=noone@pc-82-151-45-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 18:46.19 | holycow | Ginzu: you swallowed a cock? |
| 18:46.21 | holycow | just asking |
| 18:46.27 | abrotman | holycow: be nice |
| 18:46.41 | androide | wrong channel? |
| 18:46.43 | Ginzu | holycow: no, the other gender, almost :=) |
| 18:46.45 | zapalotta | nobody? |
| 18:46.55 | holycow | almost? haha |
| 18:47.03 | gener1c | ..... |
| 18:47.08 | adelgado | what is the limit to the amount of groups that can be added to linux |
| 18:47.11 | Ginzu | holycow: Its hard to swallow you know :=) |
| 18:47.15 | *** join/#debian sls_556 (n=sls_556@corp.sheltonturnbull.com) |
| 18:47.17 | adelgado | meaning Debian :( |
| 18:47.28 | holycow | ... aaaanywhoo ... how about that debian |
| 18:47.40 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@83-70-46-50.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 18:47.42 | gr8ron | adelgado :( |
| 18:47.44 | Ginzu | holycow: its good ? |
| 18:47.50 | *** join/#debian bit0 (n=jose@61.Red-80-24-119.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:48.02 | abrotman | adelgado: 65K maybe ? |
| 18:48.09 | nipagini | still noone knows how to get greek fonts working?? |
| 18:48.16 | zapalotta | hmmm |
| 18:48.31 | adelgado | thanks |
| 18:49.03 | streuner | nipagini: no idea about greek fonts, but did you try dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 18:49.05 | RLa | can anyone tell me why my debian is missing make-kpkg command :( |
| 18:49.08 | kspath | adelgado: did you check man groups? |
| 18:49.20 | adelgado | yeah i found it 32 |
| 18:49.25 | streuner | RLa: Y |
| 18:49.29 | streuner | RLa: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 18:49.40 | nipagini | streuner, no i don't want to change the whole system to greek |
| 18:49.45 | abrotman | RLa: you didn't install it |
| 18:49.53 | nipagini | i just want to be able to write a greek symbol in gimp or a texteditor!! |
| 18:49.53 | jeward | Looks like sarge support should last until at least April 8 2008. |
| 18:49.57 | streuner | !find make-kpkg |
| 18:50.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'make-kpkg' (3): (/usr/bin/make-kpkg) in misc/kernel-package ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.4/functions/Completion/Debian/_make-kpkg) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.4-dev-1/functions/Completion/Debian/_make-kpkg) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 18:50.15 | adelgado | does anybody how can we protect a public_html directory from other users being able to read the files ... |
| 18:50.19 | jelly | nipagini: you still have to confirm that locale is available at all. |
| 18:50.34 | adelgado | say my box has 32 users |
| 18:50.41 | abrotman | adelgado: wouldn't be much good as a public_html directory then |
| 18:50.41 | *** join/#debian p-a-v` (n=user@210.211.183.228) |
| 18:50.42 | adelgado | all with public_html |
| 18:50.58 | *** join/#debian snowbird (n=joshua@daphmb01dc1-214-178.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 18:51.10 | nipagini | jelly, how is the greek locales named? |
| 18:51.11 | snowbird | any body got socket 478 cpu |
| 18:51.13 | adelgado | but they all want to create web pages in their home dir |
| 18:51.14 | pickcoder | jeward: where did you find that? |
| 18:51.22 | RLa | streuner, it says ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13 GNU C library .. |
| 18:51.23 | adelgado | lol |
| 18:51.24 | abrotman | snowbird: why? |
| 18:51.25 | adelgado | :( |
| 18:51.42 | jelly | nipagini: something with gr, presumably |
| 18:51.44 | kspath | jelly: I agree completely |
| 18:51.46 | nipagini | [ ] el_GR ISO-8859-7 |
| 18:51.48 | nipagini | [ ] el_GR.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 18:51.51 | jelly | yes |
| 18:51.58 | RLa | abrotman, how could i install it, apt-get were unable to find it |
| 18:52.00 | streuner | RLa: listen to abrotman then (/msg dpkg search) |
| 18:52.00 | nipagini | and now do i have to select them? |
| 18:52.07 | jelly | nipagini: indeed |
| 18:52.10 | RLa | oh |
| 18:52.12 | abrotman | RLa: apt-cache search kernel package |
| 18:52.26 | nipagini | i see |
| 18:52.55 | nipagini | let me try |
| 18:53.12 | RLa | abrotman, so that would be module-assistant? |
| 18:53.23 | *** part/#debian sls_556 (n=sls_556@corp.sheltonturnbull.com) |
| 18:53.25 | adelgado | see the problem is that this box is running apache and each user has their home dirs in where they can create thier own pages; but the current setup allows other users to be able to read what is inside each users public_html... |
| 18:53.40 | kspath | wow some of the info pages are just copies of OLD man pages so you do a man command and then go to info command and see more or less the same limited information :-( |
| 18:53.45 | jelly | nipagini: you might need to log out, then log in with an el_GR locale set on gdm/kdm. |
| 18:54.01 | nipagini | i can't use both at same time? |
| 18:54.04 | SmallR2002 | evening jelly |
| 18:54.05 | jelly | kspath: care for an example? |
| 18:54.11 | kspath | adelgado: Do you understand the concept of readable |
| 18:54.23 | RLa | abrotman, hm, no |
| 18:54.24 | jelly | kspath: man pages for coreutils refer to info incorrectly |
| 18:54.25 | nipagini | jelly, can i set one font to greek somehow? |
| 18:54.27 | kspath | adelgado: how will their pages be readables from outside |
| 18:54.42 | SmallR2002 | when labeling a new cd with id3 tags i seem to have got my CD1 and CD2 mixed up, i've tagged one as two and vice versa |
| 18:54.52 | SmallR2002 | anyone got any bright ideas for a fix? |
| 18:54.53 | nipagini | jelly, because it still doesn't work |
| 18:54.58 | kspath | jelly: I was ranting about info id and info groups |
| 18:55.01 | *** join/#debian xornoobix (n=xor@85.254.200.164) |
| 18:55.05 | jelly | kspath: for example, you need to "info coreutils ls" even though man page says only "info ls" |
| 18:55.13 | *** join/#debian dutchfish (n=wil@wc-35.r-195-35-167.atwork.nl) |
| 18:55.17 | *** join/#debian Pons (n=pons@unaffiliated/pons) |
| 18:55.33 | abrotman | RLa: should be pretty obvious |
| 18:55.50 | adelgado | i know thats my whole dilema i donnu.... |
| 18:55.55 | jelly | nipagini: I don't know how greek input method works |
| 18:55.59 | kspath | jelly: wow, I completely prefer manpages in that case |
| 18:56.07 | RLa | abrotman, sorry, i do not get it :( |
| 18:56.37 | dutchfish | hi i have question: * Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. In 2.6.18-5-xen-686. I expected nfs to be compiled in this kernel ... isnt it? |
| 18:56.46 | *** join/#debian PriceChild (n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild) |
| 18:56.53 | abrotman | RLa: apt-cache search make kernel package .. there are maybe 50 results .. |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | RLa: or aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search make-kpkg |
| 18:57.42 | jelly | nipagini: does "setxkbmap gr" help? |
| 18:57.48 | RLa | abrotman, i got those 50 results but i do not know which one has make-kdkg |
| 18:58.01 | kspath | jelly: I forget now. What was the info project supposed to solve? |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | RLa: or aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search make-kpkg |
| 18:58.29 | *** join/#debian Pabl0Escobar (n=Pabl0Esc@c11-37.icpnet.pl) |
| 18:58.43 | Gm4n | I have a very dumb question... how can I see how much memory my system is using? |
| 18:59.26 | ding_ | Anyone know where I can find past versions of packages? snapshot.debian.net only goes to 2005.... |
| 18:59.41 | gryfie__ | Gm4n: I'm using top..... but afaik there#s another way |
| 18:59.44 | nipagini | σδξφοσφ </( |
| 18:59.44 | kspath | jelly: I see that info --apropos keyword is almost useful |
| 18:59.54 | dutchfish | Gm4n, vmstat |
| 18:59.56 | jelly | kspath: info has nodes and hyperlinks, unlike the flat man which is meant to be printed out anyway. GNU people use info for their documentation, so lots of reference docs are in info and man pages are added as an afterthought by debian |
| 19:00.03 | *** join/#debian HymnToLife (n=fkraiem@ABordeaux-256-1-18-142.w90-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:00.07 | Gm4n | I was looking at vmstat, but there's no units... what are those? KB? |
| 19:00.29 | *** join/#debian duckx (n=Duck@tox.dyndns.org) |
| 19:00.58 | kspath | jelly: hehehe funny thing to me at least is that I used man info to find out about info --apropos keyword |
| 19:00.59 | RLa | abrotman, apt-file search make-kpkg found no results |
| 19:01.07 | dutchfish | Gm4n, vmstat -S K (kilobytes) |
| 19:01.09 | jelly | should have told him to do a "setxkbmap us" first |
| 19:01.27 | *** join/#debian protoloco (n=stealth@cablelink27-251.telefonia.intercable.net) |
| 19:02.13 | jelly | kspath: sadly, info is muchly broken in debian and has been for a long time (things like "info ls" _should_ work) |
| 19:02.34 | dutchfish | Error: Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. In 2.6.18-5-xen-686. I expected nfs to be compiled in this kernel ... isnt it? |
| 19:02.52 | *** join/#debian phoenixz (n=sven@200.77.224.4) |
| 19:03.03 | *** join/#debian maxdoubt (n=maxstout@user-38lm3s0.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:03.05 | kspath | jelly: well, I am happy to meet someone that sees those things and agrees that they are broken |
| 19:03.21 | jelly | kspath: in addition, lots of GNU documentation is undef GFDL, and removed from Debian |
| 19:03.26 | *** join/#debian duckx (n=Duck@tox.dyndns.org) |
| 19:03.46 | RLa | abrotman, found it, it was kernel-package |
| 19:03.47 | *** join/#debian nipagini (n=nipagini@80-218-66-226.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:04.06 | nipagini | jelly, well this helped to write greek, but i couldn't write with the normal alphabet anymore ;-) |
| 19:04.26 | gryfie__ | a hint for a remote-controll that enables me to simulate keypresses and/or start scripts? |
| 19:04.30 | jelly | nipagini: next time, do a "setxkbmap us" first |
| 19:05.00 | jelly | nipagini: if you end up with greek, you can go cursor up in shell history and use it :-) |
| 19:05.05 | dutchfish | gryfie__, bash? |
| 19:05.14 | *** join/#debian odla (n=lontra@216-43-127-213.dsl.mcleodusa.net) |
| 19:05.29 | *** join/#debian markit (n=marco@88-149-177-66.static.ngi.it) |
| 19:05.31 | nipagini | jelly, i've tried that |
| 19:05.46 | nipagini | but there was just a big CH |
| 19:05.50 | Supaplex | on xen dom0 with i810 nv xorg drivers, after running startx I only get black nothingness. works fine in non xen equiv kernel. (all stock etch kernels/packages) |
| 19:06.02 | nipagini | i thought it should be setxkbmap CH instead of ch :-) |
| 19:06.18 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 19:06.23 | markit | hi, I've problems with kernel 2.6.22-2 in sid and my 2 nic motherboard, it does not work the connection anymore, seems that udev fails in assigning/renaming devices, is it a known issue (2.6.22-1 works just fine) |
| 19:06.25 | gryfie__ | no, I'm talking about a infrared-remote-controll.... using from bed, for xmms, tvtime or shut down the pc ;) |
| 19:06.44 | dutchfish | Supaplex, tried it on a vga bus or digital screen connector? |
| 19:06.49 | nipagini | jelly, anyways thanks, this methode is ok, but isn't the nicest one :-) |
| 19:06.53 | maxdoubt | when debian installs kernel packages, how does it modify grub.conf? is it using sed? |
| 19:07.23 | jelly | nipagini: if you use something like Gnome or KDE, they have their own helpers to switch keyboard layouts |
| 19:07.36 | Supaplex | dutchfish: only vga's (two monitors, i810 is onboard, nv is pci) |
| 19:07.38 | *** join/#debian ale666 (n=spaceout@cpe-75-83-173-183.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 19:07.55 | dutchfish | Supaplex, i had the exact same problem, but solve dit |
| 19:08.02 | *** join/#debian baggend (n=demonban@c-24-22-19-47.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 19:08.26 | jelly | nipagini: or go to console, (ctrl-alt-f1), log in and do "env DISPLAY=:0 setxkbmap us", then go back to X (alt-f7) |
| 19:08.27 | dutchfish | Supaplex, i ended up with the 915 resolution scripting it |
| 19:08.41 | Supaplex | dutchfish: I tired the nvidia driver to, but it crashes. (module fault) |
| 19:08.59 | Supaplex | humm. |
| 19:09.17 | dutchfish | Supaplex, just use i910 or i810 driver |
| 19:09.36 | ampex | I just got done growing my four disk raid 5 into a six disk and debian won't boot anymore (root fileysystem is this array). Is there a rescue CD I can use that is RAID and LVM aware so I can take a look at what is going on? |
| 19:09.37 | Supaplex | and what of the second screen? |
| 19:09.41 | *** join/#debian glaslos (n=Glaslos@frnk-590d300b.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 19:10.22 | dutchfish | Supaplex, the problem is those drivers make humbug on wide screen resolutions, that acan be corrected by the resolution package for them |
| 19:10.57 | Supaplex | I've never heard of these resolution packages. humm |
| 19:11.08 | dutchfish | Supaplex, hold on i look up |
| 19:11.35 | dutchfish | Supaplex, apt-get install 915resolution |
| 19:11.38 | *** join/#debian x_link (n=sedde@unaffiliated/xlink) |
| 19:11.38 | Supaplex | as in i810switch? I only have vga output. (desktop) |
| 19:12.14 | *** join/#debian LikeVinyl (n=likeviny@OL168-152.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 19:13.21 | dutchfish | Supaplex, what is your exact video card model btw? |
| 19:13.56 | *** join/#debian icatorze (n=icatorze@unaffiliated/icatorze) |
| 19:14.32 | Supaplex | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 03) |
| 19:14.35 | Supaplex | 01:0b.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] [10de:0172] (rev a3) |
| 19:14.42 | *** join/#debian linuxpagan (n=pagan@77.249.27.214) |
| 19:14.47 | *** join/#debian diafic (n=Greyscal@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 19:14.53 | *** join/#debian pepe (n=pepe@lak-119-79.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de) |
| 19:15.12 | *** join/#debian alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.139.193.235) |
| 19:15.12 | Supaplex | the nv has 128mb of ram, whereas the intel only lets me use 8mb :P |
| 19:15.54 | dutchfish | Supaplex, its 8mb native and the rest is shared mem! |
| 19:16.20 | dutchfish | Supaplex, is this a dell system? |
| 19:16.22 | ampex | All video memory on an Intel 854G based system is shared |
| 19:16.27 | *** join/#debian aplsin (n=aplsin@tn-84-218-50-188.dsl.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 19:16.27 | ampex | 845G rather |
| 19:16.32 | Supaplex | according to the bios, I'm under the impression it's 8mb shared. the mainboard was from a compaq |
| 19:16.46 | Supaplex | uatx |
| 19:17.02 | *** join/#debian kara_lahana (n=chatzill@88.236.128.232) |
| 19:17.15 | dutchfish | Supaplex, 82845GL has 8mb native and the rest is shared |
| 19:17.44 | kara_lahana | hi people |
| 19:18.12 | Supaplex | ok. I have 1500mb of ram, if the bios only lets me select 8mb,1mb or 512k, what's that suppose to indicate? |
| 19:18.26 | dutchfish | Supaplex, the i810 driver is not that kean on detecting the shared mem |
| 19:18.27 | *** join/#debian xlotlu (n=john@82.78.88.78) |
| 19:19.17 | dutchfish | Supaplex, if you have thime till monday i can give you an xorg.conf example how i did it |
| 19:19.31 | dutchfish | Supaplex, its 1 of my systems at work |
| 19:19.39 | Supaplex | ok |
| 19:19.52 | dutchfish | Supaplex, monday same time? |
| 19:20.23 | Supaplex | my client is most always on irc. just msg or memoserv it (if I'm not online) |
| 19:20.37 | dutchfish | Supaplex, sure thing |
| 19:20.50 | Supaplex | or drop it in my junkmail -> cvgscote@hotmail.com |
| 19:21.07 | dutchfish | Supaplex, ill do that (easier for me) |
| 19:21.26 | Supaplex | cool. tia. :) |
| 19:21.31 | dutchfish | :) |
| 19:22.03 | *** join/#debian Cataphract (n=Deimos@89.152.216.10) |
| 19:22.16 | *** join/#debian Guiwald (n=Guiwald@p57B0D596.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:23.33 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:23.43 | ^NaTacHa^ | what was that tool to remove those nasty ^M from dos files |
| 19:23.54 | Supaplex | !fromdos |
| 19:24.12 | dutchfish | dos2unix? |
| 19:24.18 | cydork | !dos2unix |
| 19:24.18 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 19:24.21 | *** join/#debian protoloco_ (n=stealth@cablelink27-251.telefonia.intercable.net) |
| 19:24.37 | ^NaTacHa^ | ah ty |
| 19:25.01 | Supaplex | vim :set ff=unix :wq |
| 19:25.49 | dutchfish | Error: Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. In 2.6.18-5-xen-686. I expected nfs to be compiled in this kernel ... isnt it? |
| 19:26.09 | *** join/#debian kara_lahana (n=chatzill@88.236.128.232) |
| 19:26.24 | craig | dutchfish: cat /proc/config.gz | gunzip | less |
| 19:26.27 | craig | if your lucky |
| 19:26.38 | craig | anly asshats don't compile that in |
| 19:26.40 | *** join/#debian bonii (n=bonii@125.19.66.60) |
| 19:26.40 | Supaplex | or /boot/config-whatever |
| 19:26.45 | zinx | NFS is a module in stock debian kernels. |
| 19:27.50 | dutchfish | craig, there is no /proc/config.gz |
| 19:27.51 | Supaplex | dutchfish: works here. grep -i nfsd /boot/config-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 |
| 19:28.17 | Supaplex | /proc/config.gz is a waste of kernel memory. :) |
| 19:28.19 | Supaplex | imo |
| 19:28.20 | *** join/#debian misnix (n=jkr@corona.xs4all.nl) |
| 19:28.38 | dutchfish | Supaplex, am i doing something wrong? |
| 19:28.54 | dutchfish | Supaplex, is it a module for this kernel? |
| 19:29.04 | *** join/#debian mot_ (n=mot@cps-26-44.cse.msu.edu) |
| 19:29.11 | mot_ | how do i set the current date/time in debian via commandline? |
| 19:29.24 | Eulex | man date |
| 19:29.25 | *** join/#debian Firestarter- (n=Firestar@cpe-74-76-7-212.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 19:29.30 | *** join/#debian BudgetDedicated (n=BudgetDe@dhcp-077-248-146-139.chello.nl) |
| 19:29.40 | *** join/#debian monokrome (n=monokrom@67.40.118.142) |
| 19:30.04 | *** join/#debian cutekat (n=goodshit@75.80.5.221) |
| 19:30.25 | Supaplex | mot_: or use rdate |
| 19:30.47 | craig | dutchfish: obviously your kernel was compiled by an asshat. |
| 19:30.50 | dutchfish | Supaplex, strange, my former kernel 2.6.18-3-xen-686 had this module |
| 19:30.52 | craig | :) |
| 19:30.54 | monokrome | Hi. I was wondering if anyone in here knows why my SSH server doesn't do anything after I log in? |
| 19:31.10 | monokrome | Right after I type my password in the client, the terminal freezes. :/ |
| 19:31.15 | craig | monokrome: try ssh -v host |
| 19:31.33 | dutchfish | craig, this is a kernel from official debian repos, dang |
| 19:31.37 | Supaplex | dutchfish: not sure. if it's stock, it should just work. nfs nfsd exportfs lockd nfs_acl sunrpc are the related nfs modules I have loaded in 2.6.18-4-686-bigmem |
| 19:31.42 | craig | dutchfish: asshats. |
| 19:32.21 | *** join/#debian metbsd (n=fdasix@58.61.63.106) |
| 19:32.22 | monokrome | craig: I have tried that. It freezes right after 'Sending env LANG = en_US.UTF-8' |
| 19:32.23 | dutchfish | Supaplex, 2.6.18-4-686 also works here but not 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 19:32.59 | *** join/#debian infinity-zero (i=infinity@88-107-89-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 19:33.13 | dutchfish | Supaplex, thats is 2.6.18-5-686 the xen and vserver versiosn |
| 19:33.32 | infinity0 | whoops... :/ wrong network |
| 19:33.33 | Supaplex | dutchfish: I think nfsd was fine in my xen install. try dpkg -l linux-modules-2.6.18-5\* |
| 19:33.37 | *** join/#debian iter_ (i=iter@bipolar.obliviated.org) |
| 19:35.04 | Supaplex | !lart compusa "e"rebates |
| 19:35.20 | Supaplex | not like it's going anywhere anyhow. hah. |
| 19:35.38 | Supaplex | dutchfish: I'll bbaiw. errands call. |
| 19:35.51 | monokrome | and it does it for all users, not just myself |
| 19:36.23 | dutchfish | Supaplex, apt-get install reports: linux-modules-2.6.18-5-xen-vserver-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-13etch1 not found |
| 19:36.28 | *** join/#debian JuLiiieN (n=jul@AVelizy-152-1-8-4.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:36.33 | monokrome | but if I do ssh <localhost>, I can log in there |
| 19:36.43 | monokrome | So, I thought it was the firewall, but nmap says it's open. |
| 19:36.51 | *** join/#debian c0rnd0g (i=c0rny@cpepool1-81.bayoucable.com) |
| 19:36.55 | c0rnd0g | hi |
| 19:36.55 | infinity0 | i ran bluetooth-applet and now it's added itself to the list of startup-services and i can't get rid of it even when i remove it from the "startup services" in the "sessions" control panel... how do i get rid of it? |
| 19:37.02 | c0rnd0g | !dpkg hi |
| 19:37.17 | *** join/#debian Tsarin_ (n=dugan@64-142-101-135.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) |
| 19:37.22 | c0rnd0g | dpkg: hi |
| 19:37.22 | dpkg | hey |
| 19:37.38 | c0rnd0g | dpkg: debian-women |
| 19:37.45 | c0rnd0g | dpkg: /dev/null |
| 19:37.45 | dpkg | from memory, /dev/null is a bit bucket, or where you should move your via boards to |
| 19:37.48 | c0rnd0g | lol |
| 19:38.01 | c0rnd0g | dpkg: via |
| 19:38.02 | dpkg | well, via is see /dev/null, or see linux/drivers/pci/quirks.c, aka via-bug-fixes.c, or evil ! evil i tell you!! |
| 19:38.16 | c0rnd0g | dang glad i got an nv board :D |
| 19:38.20 | Tsarin_ | I'm running stable and want to install a package from testing. I've downloaded the .deb package for the newer version. Is it possible to try and install just this one package? If so, what command should I use/man/read about? |
| 19:38.38 | jair | guys there is a open office channel in freenode? |
| 19:38.57 | c0rnd0g | yeah #redhate |
| 19:39.17 | jair | I am using calc and I am trying to get a sorting of ips :( |
| 19:39.23 | c0rnd0g | i'm going private with dpkg |
| 19:39.27 | jair | c0rnd0g: funny |
| 19:39.29 | Tsarin_ | in te past I've used apt-get |
| 19:40.18 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 19:40.58 | *** join/#debian PriceChild (n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild) |
| 19:41.18 | dutchfish | for those trying too install nfs in xen-server kernel, mind your dependicies after the latest security-fixes in 2.6.18.5-xen-vserver-686 |
| 19:41.26 | dutchfish | i have it fixed now |
| 19:41.26 | stray_ | Tsarin_: mmm, i think you can still use apt-get (-t unstable) |
| 19:41.30 | *** join/#debian gener1c (n=solekill@unaffiliated/gener1c) |
| 19:41.40 | Supaplex | dutchfish: do tell (I'm on the way out) |
| 19:41.45 | *** join/#debian Fayeur (n=FireStor@AOrleans-252-1-20-111.w90-19.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:41.56 | Fayeur | salut les gens... j'ai un problème avec nvidia, quelqu'un peut m'aider s'il vous plait? |
| 19:42.10 | Supaplex | !fr |
| 19:42.10 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:42.12 | Tsarin_ | ok, thanks, I'll read up on that |
| 19:42.20 | Fayeur | woops, sorry >.< |
| 19:42.23 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:42.30 | stray_ | Tsarin_: http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/mixing-repos-in-debian/ |
| 19:42.45 | Fayeur | well I can have help in english, it doesn't bother me at all ^^ |
| 19:42.49 | gryfie__ | How about unichrome 3d-gfx support in debian etch? |
| 19:42.55 | sts | how would i start to create debian packages. small, they should just distribute a fixed set of files? |
| 19:42.55 | Tsarin_ | thanks |
| 19:42.58 | sts | whats the best way to initialize debian/rules, controls and stuff? |
| 19:43.09 | Fayeur | so... what I wanted to say is that I have a problem with nvidia. Can someone help me, please? |
| 19:43.11 | dutchfish | Supaplex, stupid thing, the install of this kernel doesnt create the dir for installing the dependecies, so depmod fails after updating the latest security fixes, just recreate this dir in /lib/ and run depmod |
| 19:43.41 | jair | does anyone knows the channel name for openoffice? |
| 19:43.46 | jair | !openoffice |
| 19:43.46 | dpkg | from memory, openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org, or ask me about <openoffice.org amd64> |
| 19:43.46 | *** join/#debian J_P (n=juliano@189.2.146.45) |
| 19:43.50 | J_P | hi all |
| 19:43.58 | Fayeur | hi |
| 19:43.58 | jair | got it thanks |
| 19:44.03 | dutchfish | gn |
| 19:44.27 | Tsarin_ | I've run into this before. The testing version depends on a version of libc6 that is newer than the one I'm running now |
| 19:44.29 | *** join/#debian ofer (n=ofer0x@unaffiliated/ofer0) |
| 19:44.47 | *** join/#debian vjt_ (n=vjt@81-174-12-131.static.ngi.it) |
| 19:47.56 | Tsarin_ | In fact, I tend to run into this all the time. Debian stable is months behind on packages, and mixing repos is a complete pain in the A** |
| 19:48.04 | *** part/#debian foutrelis (n=foutreli@ppp224-176.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 19:48.43 | *** join/#debian wirefire (n=wirefire@cpc2-runc1-0-0-cust648.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:49.05 | *** join/#debian Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) |
| 19:49.42 | *** join/#debian Pupinoo (n=marco@host-62-10-181-150.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 19:49.43 | Pupinoo | hi |
| 19:49.55 | Pupinoo | can anyone help me installing a nvidia graphics? |
| 19:52.00 | *** join/#debian fastputty (n=dsadsads@modemcable046.76-70-69.static.videotron.ca) |
| 19:52.09 | fastputty | Smeone instaled openvpn in debian etch? |
| 19:52.19 | fastputty | i install it but it not create a tunnel for me by default |
| 19:52.28 | fastputty | it should have make me a tun0 dev |
| 19:52.31 | fastputty | but it didnt |
| 19:52.32 | *** join/#debian Seji (n=Seji@c-69-245-78-24.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 19:52.35 | fastputty | smeone got an idea? |
| 19:52.47 | *** part/#debian Pupinoo (n=marco@host-62-10-181-150.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 19:52.55 | nvz | dpkg, any ideas? |
| 19:52.55 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little WD-40, and 42 rabid weasels. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:53.11 | fastputty | -_- |
| 19:53.20 | fastputty | someone got a solution? :) |
| 19:53.23 | fastputty | is tat better? lol |
| 19:53.55 | *** join/#debian lgd_ (n=lgd_@adsl-ull-22-9.48-151.net24.it) |
| 19:54.05 | *** join/#debian MafProd (n=kvirc@ip3e83479b.speed.planet.nl) |
| 19:54.06 | nvz | !+info openvpn etch |
| 19:54.08 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:54.10 | dpkg | openvpn: (Virtual Private Network daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.9-4 (etch), Packaged size: 329 kB, Installed size: 896 kB |
| 19:54.14 | Optic | openvpn rules |
| 19:54.22 | Optic | it's totally the bomb |
| 19:54.32 | fastputty | hummm O_O |
| 19:54.36 | nvz | we'd probably need to know what the problem is before we can have a solution |
| 19:54.40 | fastputty | hemm help me with my porblem then? |
| 19:54.46 | Optic | maybe! |
| 19:55.07 | fastputty | i installed openvpn, it normally ask me to create a dev tun0 by default, but in etch with apt-get install openvpn it didnt |
| 19:55.07 | nvz | if its really suppose to create this device out of the box, and didn't you should have consulted the BTS |
| 19:55.14 | Optic | i've only ever done apt-get install openvpn and it's always worked fine |
| 19:55.14 | fastputty | so i nhave no tun0 device in my ifconfig |
| 19:55.21 | *** join/#debian Ariel_Calzada (n=aricalso@200.29.106.116) |
| 19:55.22 | nvz | however I don't think it is |
| 19:55.25 | Optic | i've never had to mess with it, so I don't know enough to help you :( |
| 19:55.29 | fastputty | you have the tun0 up automatically ? |
| 19:55.42 | Optic | tun0 is created when openvpn starts up |
| 19:55.47 | fastputty | hmm |
| 19:55.58 | nvz | Optic: thats what I was thinking |
| 19:56.08 | Optic | the interface is created when openvpn opens /dev/tun0 \ |
| 19:56.10 | *** join/#debian chal (n=bliss_@80-195-177-165.cable.ubr04.nmal.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:56.14 | Optic | i think is how it works |
| 19:56.18 | monokrome | I did an apt upgrade |
| 19:56.27 | monokrome | and it says my locale settings are not set |
| 19:56.32 | chal | hi |
| 19:56.32 | fastputty | i have no tun0 in /dev |
| 19:56.38 | monokrome | This sounds like why my ssh wasn't working, too. |
| 19:56.40 | Optic | let me see if I do |
| 19:56.41 | jelly | fwiw, vpnc works that way... the tunnel device doesn't exist until it's started |
| 19:56.47 | nvz | monokrome: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:56.54 | monokrome | nvz: Thanks much :) |
| 19:56.57 | fastputty | jelly: my openvpn is started |
| 19:56.58 | jelly | fastputty: you also don't have eth0 in /dev. |
| 19:57.02 | fastputty | bu thtere no tunnel |
| 19:57.08 | Tsarin_ | for what it's worth: repos management is a major problem for Debian. |
| 19:57.10 | fastputty | jelly i do have eth0 |
| 19:57.15 | Tsarin_ | it needs to be fixed |
| 19:57.15 | fastputty | oh you right |
| 19:57.17 | jelly | fastputty: in /dev? |
| 19:57.25 | fastputty | yeah but in ifconfig i do :) |
| 19:57.30 | fastputty | but no tun0 |
| 19:57.36 | Optic | maybe tun0 works differently in linux |
| 19:57.43 | fastputty | !?? |
| 19:57.45 | hark | mknod it? |
| 19:57.45 | Tsarin_ | here is another user, switching to mac and macports to get the job done on my laptop. |
| 19:57.55 | Optic | i've messed with it more on *bsd than onlinux |
| 19:57.56 | *** join/#debian dvs01 (i=dvs01@dvs01.net) |
| 19:57.57 | Optic | than on linux |
| 19:58.04 | fastputty | in theold version, i type apt-get install openvpn |
| 19:58.05 | Optic | but i know apt-get install openvpn worked great for me on etch |
| 19:58.15 | fastputty | and it ask me during installation if they want me to create a tun0 |
| 19:58.16 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@83-70-46-50.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 19:58.19 | chal | in this faq http://mareichelt.de/pub/texts.loop-aes.php#faq and in the line losetup -e AES128 -K foo1.gpg -o @32256 -s 24643584 /dev/loop1 /dev/hda what does foo1 refer to? |
| 19:58.29 | fastputty | tat is weird |
| 19:58.34 | *** join/#debian NightOath (n=Andrew_S@cpc1-nthc10-0-0-cust418.nrth.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:58.42 | *** join/#debian Demon` (n=chatzill@84.94.88.106.cable.012.net.il) |
| 19:59.03 | Optic | make um |
| 19:59.05 | fastputty | my openvpn daemon is started |
| 19:59.07 | jelly | chal: presumably a file storing a gpg key. |
| 19:59.08 | Optic | hmm |
| 19:59.12 | Optic | i dunno |
| 19:59.58 | fastputty | anyone here got problem liek me? |
| 20:00.02 | fastputty | for did solv it before? |
| 20:00.07 | *** join/#debian tolsen (n=tim@cyrus.limewire.com) |
| 20:00.13 | chal | jelly: thanks |
| 20:00.13 | *** join/#debian gener1c (n=solekill@unaffiliated/gener1c) |
| 20:00.22 | *** part/#debian Fayeur (n=FireStor@AOrleans-252-1-20-111.w90-19.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:00.29 | jelly | chal: uh, don't thank me, I'm just guessing |
| 20:00.53 | jelly | !foo |
| 20:00.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 20:01.02 | *** join/#debian gener1c (n=solekill@unaffiliated/gener1c) |
| 20:02.22 | Ginzu | holycow: KDE bitch. |
| 20:02.32 | *** join/#debian efaistos1 (i=efaistos@m99.net81-66-191.noos.fr) |
| 20:03.25 | xerophyte | is there anyway you can do round-robin with iptables ? |
| 20:03.45 | Ginzu | what does round robin actually do ? |
| 20:04.16 | xerophyte | Ginzu, i have pool of ips i wanna connect to it .. i want to connect to different server every time i connect |
| 20:04.19 | Ginzu | Surely you mean bacvkup servers ? |
| 20:04.29 | xerophyte | Ginzu, backup ?? |
| 20:04.41 | Optic | i would use a load balancer like balance or haproxy |
| 20:04.47 | Optic | round robin dns is a bad hack |
| 20:04.54 | Ginzu | xerophyte: backup, loadblancing servers ? |
| 20:05.18 | *** join/#debian nex- (i=morten@hurfmydurf.com) |
| 20:05.19 | *** join/#debian nik11 (n=niko@cht33-1-82-228-78-181.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:05.32 | jelly | Optic: it works. |
| 20:05.32 | chal | jelly: oh i think I see you have to create a.gpg key first ok |
| 20:05.34 | xerophyte | Ginzu, i want to on the gateway server .. i have around 5 ips with one services running i want to rotate when i come to them |
| 20:05.50 | jelly | ... for some uses. |
| 20:05.51 | *** join/#debian metbsd (n=fdasix@58.61.63.106) |
| 20:05.52 | Ginzu | xerophyte: ISC DHCPD then maybe GDHCPD for gui ? |
| 20:06.14 | xerophyte | Ginzu, ?? |
| 20:06.17 | *** join/#debian alindeman (i=adml@freenode/staff/alindeman) |
| 20:06.21 | xerophyte | roundrobin nating i guess |
| 20:06.27 | Ginzu | xerophyte: www.gadmintools.org seems very good |
| 20:06.35 | *** join/#debian BudgetDedicated (n=BudgetDe@dhcp-077-248-146-139.chello.nl) |
| 20:06.35 | *** join/#debian linuxadmin (n=linuxadm@e178018203.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:06.55 | *** join/#debian gener1c (n=solekill@unaffiliated/gener1c) |
| 20:07.46 | *** join/#debian kara_lahana (n=chatzill@88.236.128.232) |
| 20:07.50 | *** join/#debian wirefire (n=wirefire@cpc2-runc1-0-0-cust648.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:08.05 | Ginzu | xerophyte: gotta run anyhow, hope they serve you well. |
| 20:09.12 | SamuraiDio | if i do Ctrl+Alt+Backspace will i kill just the current X-sessio or all? |
| 20:09.50 | Ginzu | SamuraiDio: current then GDM will present a login prompt again |
| 20:10.11 | nex- | a quick question, not really debian related: I have two text files with lines of IPs, i want to compare them and pipe the uniqe IPs to a third file |
| 20:10.14 | nex- | how? :) |
| 20:10.14 | *** join/#debian NetBandit (n=netbandi@modemcable115.50-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 20:10.24 | tminos | nex-: man uniq |
| 20:10.35 | Ginzu | Adios! Need Brain Resettings! |
| 20:11.44 | *** join/#debian lv (n=lv@ip68-3-13-140.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 20:11.51 | *** join/#debian iter (i=iter@bipolar.obliviated.org) |
| 20:12.25 | nex- | tminos: can that compare file1 with file2 and pipe the uniqe lines to file3? it looks like it only compares the lines in file1 and pipe the uniqe lines to file2.. |
| 20:12.55 | diafic | Gotta go nao! |
| 20:13.35 | *** join/#debian gustavo (n=gustavo@189.4.82.38) |
| 20:14.18 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 20:14.22 | *** join/#debian phahn (n=phahn@p57988D09.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:14.40 | *** join/#debian ffm (n=FireFoxM@wikipedia/firefoxman) |
| 20:14.55 | *** join/#debian JohnML (n=john1@pD9E8BD38.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:15.23 | *** join/#debian flixil (n=flixil@80.30.124.72) |
| 20:15.27 | phahn | hi there. any xen users around here? I am seeing the weird symptom that the domu kernel doesnt support pppoe properly. at least thats the error that i see when i turn on the dsl-line in there |
| 20:15.29 | *** part/#debian ffm (n=FireFoxM@wikipedia/firefoxman) |
| 20:15.59 | tminos | nex-: cat 1 2 | sort -n | uniq -u |
| 20:16.18 | flixil | Hello my aptitude doesn't install recommended as dependencies as expected and i haven't edited any config file |
| 20:17.04 | *** join/#debian Snake| (n=Missing@host31-159-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:17.48 | dkr | then modify your expectations. :) |
| 20:18.07 | dkr | recommendations are not installed by default, only requirements are |
| 20:18.45 | *** join/#debian nik11 (n=niko@cht33-1-82-228-78-181.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:18.51 | *** join/#debian Thms_ (n=Thms@AAmiens-157-1-62-121.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:18.54 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:19.04 | HardDisk_WP | can I force eject a CDROM drive even if it is used? |
| 20:19.06 | *** part/#debian linuxadmin (n=linuxadm@e178018203.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:19.19 | Optic | fancy! |
| 20:19.23 | flixil | dkr, requeriments are dependencies? |
| 20:19.28 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:20.10 | dkr | yes |
| 20:20.12 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:20.56 | *** join/#debian MarcusHughes_ (n=MarcusHu@89.242.7.227) |
| 20:21.26 | *** join/#debian Iradigalesc (n=Iradigal@wikipedia/Iradigalesc) |
| 20:21.34 | dkr | sorry for misleading terminology. "Depends", "Recommends", "Conflicts" are the relations. "Depends" are installed by default. "Recommends" are not |
| 20:22.22 | flixil | I thought it automatically installed recommends by default, doing it different than apt-get. Sorry. And thanks a lot |
| 20:22.25 | *** join/#debian AM|R (n=gomo@labs.localhost.com.my) |
| 20:23.56 | hark | it does |
| 20:24.38 | *** join/#debian baktaah (n=baktaah@c-af4071d5.1510-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:24.38 | hark | anything in ~/.aptitude/config or /etc/apt/apt.conf* ? |
| 20:25.03 | flixil | hark, nothing |
| 20:25.07 | baktaah | Excuse me, how come I cant acces my NTFS disks? It says Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy. |
| 20:25.40 | gryfie__ | baktaah: Reading or writing? |
| 20:25.59 | HardDisk_WP | can I force eject a CDROM drive even if it is used? |
| 20:26.01 | flixil | DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; // APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true"; |
| 20:26.03 | flixil | just those |
| 20:26.04 | baktaah | gryfie__, reading |
| 20:26.08 | *** join/#debian TwinX (n=TwinX@092-032-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 20:26.18 | baktaah | gryfie__, it happends when i try to access my songs with banshee |
| 20:26.46 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: no, unless it has a small hole on the front of it |
| 20:27.10 | HardDisk_WP | eject -m helped |
| 20:27.17 | gryfie__ | do you have the ntfs-kernel module enabled? |
| 20:27.17 | HardDisk_WP | but its still mounted |
| 20:27.22 | HardDisk_WP | i need it umounted |
| 20:27.38 | hark | flixil: try adding aptitude::Recommends-Important "true"; and see |
| 20:27.57 | flixil | hark, the thing is that aptitude install -r doesn't install recomends by default |
| 20:28.47 | hark | flixil: sid? |
| 20:28.59 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 20:29.00 | flixil | etch |
| 20:29.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 843] by debhelper |
| 20:29.44 | baktaah | Excuse me, how come I cant acces my NTFS disks? It says Error org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy. |
| 20:30.07 | hark | well it should, no matter what you have defined in your settings |
| 20:30.23 | *** part/#debian Demon` (n=chatzill@84.94.88.106.cable.012.net.il) |
| 20:30.33 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:30.35 | flixil | hark, i did dpkg-reconfigure aptitude without no luck |
| 20:31.02 | flixil | baktaah, are you on the disk group? |
| 20:31.10 | baktaah | flixil, yeah |
| 20:31.16 | *** join/#debian fmz (n=pl@adsl-68-23-33-176.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net) |
| 20:32.08 | *** join/#debian alindeman (i=adml@freenode/staff/alindeman) |
| 20:32.15 | flixil | i purged xarchiver, aptitude install xarchiver (again) and i doesn't install dependencies with aptitude::Recommends-Important "true"; wrote in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:32.48 | hark | flixil: that dosen't matter, -r overrides it anyway |
| 20:33.30 | flixil | So this is suposed to be a bug? |
| 20:33.33 | flixil | i'll try first reinstalling aptitude |
| 20:33.35 | *** join/#debian diafic (n=Greyscal@host86-152-51-2.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:33.45 | SamuraiDio | gdm shows the sessions on /usr/share/xsessions/ and others. where can i configure the others? |
| 20:33.56 | hark | yes, but works fine for me on sid... let me try it on an etch machine here |
| 20:34.41 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:34.47 | hark | but yeah, recommends is on by default. |
| 20:35.05 | flixil | hark, i think that it started behaving different after installing without recomended rosegarden |
| 20:35.16 | flixil | i did it because i use xfce and i didn't want a lot of kde stuff |
| 20:35.21 | *** join/#debian Aethelred (n=jack@c-76-102-175-189.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:35.24 | flixil | can you try it? |
| 20:35.36 | *** join/#debian Antharist (n=devel@unaffiliated/antharist) |
| 20:35.54 | hark | flixil: that's like a global flag, if you choose -R, then it stays that way afaik |
| 20:36.21 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:36.22 | flixil | hark, well, how can i then install dependencies again? |
| 20:36.28 | monokrome | ar |
| 20:36.32 | Aethelred | I'm having a program die from having too many files open. How do I change this limit? |
| 20:36.33 | flixil | s/dependencies/recommended |
| 20:36.39 | hark | with -r |
| 20:36.51 | flixil | aptitude install -r xarchiver doesn't work |
| 20:37.10 | craig | MUTT |
| 20:37.14 | craig | woof |
| 20:37.16 | craig | woof |
| 20:37.22 | flixil | oh, maybe it remembers the last trying to install xarchiver |
| 20:37.26 | craig | :) |
| 20:37.32 | *** join/#debian dlynes_laptop (n=dlynes@216.251.149.66) |
| 20:37.59 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:38.39 | *** join/#debian jflm (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:39.03 | SamuraiDio | gdm shows the sessions on /usr/share/xsessions/ and others. where can i configure the others? |
| 20:39.12 | flixil | it doesn't work aptitude install -r; aptitude purge xarchiver; aptitude install -r xarchiver doesn't install recommended |
| 20:39.34 | SamuraiDio | later.. |
| 20:39.35 | dlynes_laptop | I've tried changing my default run level from 2 to 3 in inittab in Debian Etch 4.0R1, and the Gnome desktop manager still comes up. How do I tell it to boot up to the console instead of the gui? I only wanted the X applications running on the machine, not the X server |
| 20:39.57 | dlynes_laptop | I'm used to Slackware, not Debian, so excuse my ignorance |
| 20:40.25 | *** join/#debian gener1c (n=solekill@unaffiliated/gener1c) |
| 20:40.32 | abrotman | !tell dlynes_laptop about nodm |
| 20:40.39 | abrotman | dlynes_laptop: for reference .. run levels 2-5 are the same in debian |
| 20:40.45 | *** join/#debian kalve (n=thomas@unaffiliated/kalve) |
| 20:40.55 | *** join/#debian zigong (n=weechat@cogitateurs-agitateurs/zigong) |
| 20:40.57 | flixil | dlynes_laptop, why don't just stop the gdm in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 20:41.00 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:41.10 | jelly | hi, is there a way to tell avahi/mdns stuff not to handle hosts in .foo.local domain |
| 20:41.11 | dlynes_laptop | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:41.13 | kalve | Hey, my debian computer is using ~98% physical memory |
| 20:41.19 | abrotman | good! |
| 20:41.19 | kalve | how can I see what is using the memory? |
| 20:41.22 | jelly | kalve: as it should! |
| 20:41.25 | dlynes_laptop | flixil: because it's going to be a remote machine and I don't want X booting up every bloody time :) |
| 20:41.26 | abrotman | kalve: top |
| 20:41.27 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 20:41.28 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 20:41.29 | flixil | kalve, use top |
| 20:41.43 | kalve | top doesn't show anything using more than 0.5% |
| 20:41.56 | jelly | kalve: sort by RES |
| 20:42.20 | flixil | so hark ? |
| 20:42.41 | *** join/#debian Guiwald (n=Guiwald@p57B0D596.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:43.16 | jelly | uh... /etc/nsswitch.conf refers to non-free software :-) |
| 20:44.03 | jelly | # If you have the `glibc-doc-reference' [...] packages installed :-) |
| 20:44.04 | kalve | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.21 | kalve | probably that one |
| 20:44.43 | markit | hi, I've problems with kernel 2.6.22-2 in sid and my 2 nic motherboard, it does not work the connection anymore, seems that udev fails in assigning/renaming devices, is it a known issue (2.6.22-1 works just fine) |
| 20:44.53 | markit | (debian64) |
| 20:45.44 | *** join/#debian kadath (n=kadath@cpe-24-33-65-145.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 20:46.47 | dlynes_laptop | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:46.51 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 20:46.57 | jelly | kalve: in the output of "free" command, how much mem. is shown in the "free" column on the "-/+ buffers/cache" row? |
| 20:47.07 | abrotman | kalve: hit 'm' .. sort by RAM |
| 20:47.18 | *** join/#debian jenocin (n=jenocin@141.202.119.70.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 20:47.26 | jelly | not m, M |
| 20:47.31 | dlynes_laptop | abrotman: well, I really love debian since I started using the new version...the last time I had tried using it was pre v1.0, and it sucked pretty bad then |
| 20:47.44 | kalve | jelly: 468428 |
| 20:47.45 | jenocin | does debian have a service command like the other nixes... something like service apache2 restart |
| 20:47.56 | hark | flixil: dunno why not |
| 20:47.57 | jelly | kalve: and 460MB is not enough? |
| 20:47.57 | *** join/#debian Kartoffelsalat (n=dennisme@pD9E351BF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:47.58 | kalve | jelly: 517016 is total |
| 20:47.59 | dlynes_laptop | abrotman: but the new version is much much nicer...I think I like it even better than Slackware now |
| 20:48.01 | abrotman | dlynes_laptop: that was what .. like 11 years ago? :) |
| 20:48.02 | *** part/#debian Kartoffelsalat (n=dennisme@pD9E351BF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:48.16 | dlynes_laptop | abrotman: yeah...soemthing like that :) |
| 20:48.29 | *** join/#debian printk (n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk) |
| 20:48.31 | hark | jenocin: invoke-rc.d or /etc/init.d/foo restart |
| 20:48.37 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 20:48.42 | jelly | kalve: why do you need more than 460MB free on a 512MB machine? |
| 20:48.44 | dlynes_laptop | abrotman: around the same time Stampede Linux first started showing up also |
| 20:48.46 | flixil | hark, i'm trying one time and another over the same package, can aptitude remember how it installed the package last time? |
| 20:48.54 | flixil | I did aptitude purge package... |
| 20:49.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 835] by debhelper |
| 20:49.02 | hark | flixil: how about aptitude install ~Rrecommends xarchiver ? |
| 20:49.03 | jenocin | hark: thanks, /etc/init.d/foo is getting old after using services |
| 20:49.21 | *** join/#debian qrck (n=off@e182056121.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 20:49.35 | printk | jenocin: create a simple script called services to call /etc/init.d/* then .. be simple enough :) |
| 20:49.39 | *** join/#debian BUMBACL0T (n=system@ip68-13-212-104.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 20:49.43 | kalve | thanks, jelly |
| 20:50.01 | *** part/#debian kalve (n=thomas@unaffiliated/kalve) |
| 20:50.46 | flixil | it doesn't install recommended anyway |
| 20:50.50 | jenocin | printk: hark answered my question, figured there'd be something like service, and invoke-rc.d is, just aliased it to service |
| 20:51.43 | *** join/#debian nse (i=leo@201.12.185.177) |
| 20:52.08 | *** join/#debian Louuuuuu (n=marco@host-62-10-168-208.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 20:52.10 | Louuuuuu | hi |
| 20:52.20 | *** join/#debian alindeman (i=adml@freenode/staff/alindeman) |
| 20:52.30 | Louuuuuu | can anyone give me his source.list file with non-free repositories? |
| 20:52.57 | hark | just add non-free after main at the end |
| 20:53.06 | Louuuuuu | plees |
| 20:53.10 | *** join/#debian TheDreamer (n=youri@root.dyndns.org) |
| 20:53.29 | flixil | hark, how can i make aptitude print his value of Aptitude::Recommends-Important? |
| 20:53.38 | jelly | !find /cifs.5 |
| 20:54.04 | hark | Louuuuuu: look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list :) |
| 20:54.46 | abrotman | dlynes_laptop: hehe |
| 20:54.51 | Louuuuuu | hey |
| 20:54.59 | jelly | is there a manual for mount.cifs? |
| 20:55.01 | Louuuuuu | i need non free repositories |
| 20:55.08 | Louuuuuu | but i have problems with keys |
| 20:55.39 | hark | jenocin: yes, man 8 mount.cifs |
| 20:55.42 | *** join/#debian utka2 (n=utka@5ac83608.bb.sky.com) |
| 20:55.45 | hark | er, jelly |
| 20:55.48 | *** join/#debian Madd_Matt (n=Matt@rn--mke-3-1-a22.uwaterloo.ca) |
| 20:56.24 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 20:56.40 | Ronin | Louuuuuu: /topic i suspect |
| 20:57.55 | jelly | hark: No manual entry. |
| 20:58.19 | hark | hmm, it's with smbfs here |
| 20:58.44 | hark | /usr/share/man/man8/mount.cifs.8.gz |
| 20:59.03 | *** part/#debian Louuuuuu (n=marco@host-62-10-168-208.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 20:59.07 | jelly | it's a good thing that mount -t cifs returns no fuckin error it mount.cifs is absent, I guess |
| 20:59.38 | hark | heh |
| 20:59.45 | hark | !find mount.cifs.8.gz etch |
| 20:59.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mount.cifs.8.gz' (1): (/usr/share/man/man8/{mount.cifs.8.gz|umount.cifs.8.gz}) in otherosfs/smbfs. |
| 21:00.54 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@pD9EEDA7C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:01.06 | jelly | it returns a generic wrong fs type etc. |
| 21:01.07 | karsten | Anyone know how the kernel deterines it needs an interpreter module loaded? I've got an interesting modprobe error: modprobe: Can't locate module ä£C<80>ÿÿÿÿ8¾O<8D>^A^A |
| 21:01.19 | *** join/#debian chrisjw (i=unknown@82-71-87-169.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 21:01.35 | *** join/#debian rypt (n=alex@host81-155-93-208.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:01.38 | karsten | ... comes during a customer build job. I'm assuming the build failed and produced a bad binary. |
| 21:01.48 | jelly | karsten: i r in ur machine loading ur modulz |
| 21:02.22 | karsten | jelly: lolmodz! |
| 21:02.38 | jelly | karsten: are they trying to execute a weird file? binfmt_misc enabled? |
| 21:03.08 | jelly | (not sure about the binfmt module name) |
| 21:03.09 | Spyro_boy | hello. |
| 21:03.10 | karsten | jelly: How would I check that last? |
| 21:03.27 | *** join/#debian Flimzy (n=jonhall@sonic.nmgi.com) |
| 21:03.34 | Spyro_boy | for some reason, libpam0g wants to install no matter what but it errors during the install. |
| 21:03.43 | infernix | with which tool can I see what files are being written to? I'm trying to asses which app is using the most IO on disk. |
| 21:03.56 | Spyro_boy | I'll pastebin it. |
| 21:04.06 | karsten | jelly: Modz: audit autofs4 ext3 hid input jbd keybdev libata lockd lp mousedev mvfs nfs nfsd parport sata_sil scsi_mod sd_mod sg sunrpc tg3 usbcore usb-ohci usbserial vnode |
| 21:04.07 | infernix | iostat -k 1 only tells me so much; nothing about what app is writing |
| 21:04.10 | jelly | karsten: CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y or binfmt_misc module loaded |
| 21:04.39 | *** join/#debian birdmon (n=birdmon@bzq-219-46-202.isdn.bezeqint.net) |
| 21:04.41 | Spyro_boy | http://paste.tonybox.net/320 |
| 21:04.43 | karsten | jelly: CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=m |
| 21:04.45 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone know how to sove that. |
| 21:04.48 | Spyro_boy | solve* |
| 21:04.49 | jelly | or I may be completely wrong |
| 21:04.52 | karsten | jelly: Hrm. Maybe. |
| 21:05.03 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone know how to solve that? http://paste.tonybox.net/320 (there we go :/) |
| 21:05.31 | jelly | probably. binfmt_misc doesn't load other modules. It runs userspace binaries. |
| 21:05.45 | jelly | dunno why I asked that, in hindsight |
| 21:06.07 | jelly | hark: got it, thanks |
| 21:06.24 | karsten | jelly: Hrm. |
| 21:06.55 | karsten | jelly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binfmt_misc |
| 21:08.27 | *** join/#debian vor (n=s@bzq-88-154-38-173.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 21:08.41 | *** join/#debian ericx (n=jxtadev@125.120.99.98) |
| 21:09.21 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h74n1fls33o998.telia.com) |
| 21:09.38 | Spyro_boy | Does anyone know how to solve that? http://paste.tonybox.net/320 (there we go :/) |
| 21:09.44 | jelly | karsten: yep, the usual example is running a java app like ./foo.jar, or using qemu to run binaries from other archs transparently |
| 21:09.46 | Spyro_boy | I'm running Debian Sid |
| 21:09.47 | Spyro_boy | AMD64. |
| 21:10.08 | jelly | !sid |
| 21:10.09 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:10.09 | pickcoder | Spyro_boy: is libnewt installed? |
| 21:10.22 | Spyro_boy | pickcoder, libnewt, huh? |
| 21:10.24 | Spyro_boy | Let me check. |
| 21:10.28 | pickcoder | read the error log |
| 21:10.32 | pickcoder | it tells you what's borked |
| 21:10.35 | c0rnd0g | jair: :P |
| 21:10.40 | Guerin | dpkg, sid is also see <sid faq> |
| 21:10.40 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 21:10.45 | Spyro_boy | -[~]$ dpkg -l|grep libnewt |
| 21:10.45 | Spyro_boy | ii libnewt0.52 0.52.2-11 Not Erik's Windowing Toolkit - text mode win |
| 21:10.46 | *** part/#debian RLa (n=rlaanemt@90-190-52-138-dsl.rgu.estpak.ee) |
| 21:10.49 | Spyro_boy | Seems so. |
| 21:10.54 | pickcoder | then it's broken |
| 21:11.02 | Spyro_boy | Damn. |
| 21:11.08 | pickcoder | whiptail can't get version ifno |
| 21:11.09 | Spyro_boy | Is there anyway I could get dpkg to ignore it? |
| 21:11.09 | pickcoder | info |
| 21:11.17 | pickcoder | you're on your own there |
| 21:11.35 | pickcoder | man dpkg |
| 21:11.40 | Spyro_boy | pickcoder, yeah. |
| 21:11.41 | Spyro_boy | I know. |
| 21:11.49 | Spyro_boy | Thanks for you're help. :) |
| 21:11.57 | Spyro_boy | atleast, insight. |
| 21:12.12 | pickcoder | perhaps whiptail has a bug |
| 21:12.18 | jelly | Spyro_boy: if you can't make dpkg dance a jig with one foot, you don't deserve to run unstable :-D |
| 21:12.29 | *** part/#debian Aethelred (n=jack@c-76-102-175-189.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 21:12.34 | pickcoder | have you checked the bug reports? |
| 21:13.25 | flixil | hark, i have upgraded to aptitude on testing and it works smoth |
| 21:13.29 | Spyro_boy | jelly, hahaha. |
| 21:13.34 | Spyro_boy | jelly, I guess I'll have to learn. :) |
| 21:13.38 | *** join/#debian komposter (n=komposte@ppp91-76-82-208.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) |
| 21:13.45 | jelly | Spyro_boy: you can work around by temporarily using another debconf backend |
| 21:13.58 | *** join/#debian adelec (n=adelec@adsl196-120-221-217-196.adsl196-15.iam.net.ma) |
| 21:14.03 | Spyro_boy | oh? |
| 21:14.19 | *** join/#debian kadath (n=kadath@cpe-24-33-65-145.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 21:14.56 | jelly | Spyro_boy: debconf: whiptail output the above errors, giving up! ... and whiptail is used to display debconf questions with Dialog interface |
| 21:15.31 | Spyro_boy | wha?! |
| 21:15.33 | Spyro_boy | that's it? |
| 21:15.51 | jelly | that would enable you to configure libpam0g, at least |
| 21:16.01 | Spyro_boy | Interesting. |
| 21:16.07 | Spyro_boy | one sec. |
| 21:16.12 | jelly | you'd still need to fix that libnewt / whiptail mess |
| 21:16.12 | hark | flixil: weird bug that. But you upgraded to testing for this? |
| 21:16.30 | flixil | no, i just aptitude install aptitude/testing |
| 21:16.35 | *** join/#debian stoned (i=stoned@cpe-24-193-147-226.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 21:16.38 | jelly | do a dpkg-reconfigure debconf :-))) |
| 21:16.47 | *** join/#debian Aliosa27 (n=Aliosa27@aliosa27.xmission.com) |
| 21:16.59 | hark | flixil: dpkg -l libc6 ? |
| 21:17.01 | Spyro_boy | jelly, can't I pretend to input the version into whiptail? |
| 21:17.15 | flixil | version 2.6.1-1+b1 |
| 21:17.38 | hark | flixil: upgrade all the way now |
| 21:17.39 | *** join/#debian Guilt (n=d9a0ff72@cpe-74-76-59-19.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 21:17.54 | flixil | hark, i don't want, i will try to downgrade aptitude now |
| 21:18.41 | flixil | how can aptitude install aptitude/stable tricking aptitude and leting aptitude think that aptitude was removed so he will install the recommended also? |
| 21:18.47 | flixil | (do you understand me?) |
| 21:18.52 | jelly | Spyro_boy: maybe, but I'm not well versed in hacking ELF headers in libraries to do that |
| 21:18.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Folks, you're going to love this :D http://www.linux.com/feature/119211 |
| 21:19.09 | *** join/#debian D_ReaL_PuNiShEr (n=flowman4@41.219.209.17) |
| 21:19.44 | jelly | Spyro_boy: if what I'm thinking is right, when you run whiptail by itself, it would show the same /lib/libnewt.so.0.52: no version information available (required by whiptail) error |
| 21:20.18 | jelly | Spyro_boy: and that output confuses the hell out of debconf |
| 21:20.26 | amphi | Dark_Apostrophe: http://ir.sco.com/stockquote.cfm?Period=0&Event1=&CustomFromDate=6%2F20%2F2004&CustomToDate=10%2F30%2F2004 |
| 21:20.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | amphi: :D |
| 21:20.41 | jelly | Spyro_boy: and debconf called in libpam0g postinst script fails. |
| 21:20.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | amphi: What a beautiful sight |
| 21:21.01 | amphi | lost ~40% in the last 15 minutes of trading |
| 21:21.38 | hark | http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=SCOX&t=1d&q=l&l=off&z=l&p=m20,e5,e20,b,v,&a=f14,w14,m26-12-9,ss, |
| 21:21.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | amphi: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=SCOX&t=5d |
| 21:22.20 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 21:22.25 | Spyro_boy | jelly, hrmm.. |
| 21:22.35 | Spyro_boy | jelly, so I need to change the postinst script. |
| 21:22.44 | jelly | Spyro_boy: no |
| 21:22.50 | Spyro_boy | -[~]$ whiptail |
| 21:22.50 | Spyro_boy | whiptail: /lib/libnewt.so.0.52: no version information available (required by whiptail) |
| 21:22.56 | Spyro_boy | And you're right. |
| 21:23.04 | Spyro_boy | jelly, oh. |
| 21:23.22 | jelly | Spyro_boy: that's whiptail problem. just use a different debconf frontend temporarily. |
| 21:23.48 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. |
| 21:24.01 | Spyro_boy | Maybe I'm misunderstanding debconf. |
| 21:24.14 | Spyro_boy | Ah. it's a program. :x |
| 21:24.21 | Spyro_boy | I thought it was a configure file. |
| 21:25.05 | *** join/#debian mstuefer (n=manuel@host58-62-static.46-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:25.18 | jelly | Spyro_boy: debconf is a helper often used in deb packaging installation scripts. |
| 21:25.31 | Spyro_boy | Yeah. I see that now. |
| 21:25.40 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. |
| 21:25.57 | jelly | Spyro_boy: you can make it use for example GTK windows instead of those dialog screens to display its output |
| 21:26.00 | Spyro_boy | So I can change the debconf frontend from dpkg? |
| 21:26.24 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. |
| 21:26.32 | Spyro_boy | The man page doesn't contain the keyword "debconf" |
| 21:26.34 | pickcoder | jelly already told you how to reconfig debconf |
| 21:27.14 | jelly | pickcoder: of course, than one wouldn't work... |
| 21:28.00 | pickcoder | erm.. yeah |
| 21:28.01 | pickcoder | true |
| 21:28.04 | jelly | Spyro_boy: to make the long story short, you can do echo "debconf/frontend Readline" | debconf-set-selections for the time being |
| 21:28.06 | pickcoder | catch 22 |
| 21:28.10 | *** join/#debian roxy_ (n=roxy_@4.249.97-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 21:28.22 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 21:28.34 | *** join/#debian Spiritus55 (i=d0fb90d9@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-046f86de3f588370) |
| 21:28.38 | jelly | Spyro_boy: then clean up the installation with dpkg --configure -a or whatever |
| 21:28.39 | *** join/#debian zigong_ (n=weechat@70.55.152.111) |
| 21:28.52 | Spyro_boy | jelly, hrmm.. I'd like to learn more about this whole debconf thinger. :/ Is there some article or guide that I can learn from? |
| 21:28.56 | Spyro_boy | And thanks. |
| 21:28.57 | Spiritus55 | Test |
| 21:29.19 | hark | or debconf --frontend=readline dpkg-reconfigure debconf ? |
| 21:29.42 | *** join/#debian kspath_ (n=kspath@pdpc/supporter/active/kspath) |
| 21:29.43 | Spyro_boy | Or dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 21:29.44 | Spyro_boy | as it seems. |
| 21:29.52 | jelly | Spyro_boy: what, it works? |
| 21:29.56 | roxy_ | Hi, I had a lot of trouble getting ssh -X working through tunneling. |
| 21:30.01 | Nyle | jelly |
| 21:30.09 | jelly | stoned |
| 21:30.11 | Nyle | :D |
| 21:30.23 | roxy_ | This link has been helpful: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html . Is it possible to add it to dpkg message about sshx ? |
| 21:30.27 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:30.39 | Nyle | i just remembered Tom & Jerry cartoons |
| 21:30.39 | Spyro_boy | wwoh wait |
| 21:30.40 | Spyro_boy | I see.. |
| 21:30.42 | Spyro_boy | hrmm.. |
| 21:30.44 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 21:30.47 | Nyle | hahaha, bouncing off the jello etc.:D |
| 21:30.58 | Nyle | roxy_: add it youself |
| 21:30.59 | Spyro_boy | jelly, your original line doesn't work. |
| 21:31.08 | roxy_ | Nyle: how ? |
| 21:31.18 | pickcoder | T & J.. heh |
| 21:31.28 | Spyro_boy | jelly, error: parse error on line 1: 'debconf/frontend Readline' |
| 21:31.30 | Nyle | roxy_: actually don't worry about it |
| 21:31.52 | Nyle | !dpkg sshx is also try http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html |
| 21:31.52 | dpkg | Nyle: what are you talking about? |
| 21:31.57 | pickcoder | the frozen kitchen was a crazy one |
| 21:31.58 | jelly | Spyro_boy: hmph. Do what hark said, then, and choose e.g readline or noninteractive |
| 21:31.58 | Nyle | umm |
| 21:32.08 | Nyle | dpkg sshx is also try http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html |
| 21:32.08 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 21:32.41 | jelly | Spyro_boy: something like dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=readline debconf |
| 21:32.49 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. |
| 21:32.53 | roxy_ | Nyle: ta |
| 21:32.57 | Spyro_boy | Hah. |
| 21:32.59 | Spyro_boy | That worked. |
| 21:33.01 | Nyle | ta ta |
| 21:33.46 | Spyro_boy | jelly, thanks. |
| 21:33.49 | jelly | Spyro_boy: now all the following questions will use readline (if you chose that as the current frontend) |
| 21:34.09 | hark | flixil: gtg, but such downgrades aren't supported. good luck anyway :) |
| 21:34.58 | *** join/#debian astro76 (n=james@unaffiliated/astro76) |
| 21:35.21 | jelly | and probably either whiptail or libnewt* needs a RC-level bug, as it breaks every package using debconf (well, its most common frontend) |
| 21:35.41 | *** join/#debian war (i=war@ritalin.simplylinux.org) |
| 21:35.55 | jelly | this is why I use testing now :-) |
| 21:36.00 | *** join/#debian ma3x (n=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 21:36.02 | ma3x | is there an explorer in linux with shockwave? |
| 21:36.15 | jelly | ma3x: you mean a browser? |
| 21:36.15 | Spyro_boy | jelly, I did readline and found gtk cooler. |
| 21:36.19 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@ip68-227-199-227.dc.dc.cox.net) |
| 21:36.23 | ma3x | yeah jelly |
| 21:36.36 | jelly | Spyro_boy: it's what ubuntu uses, so it must be cool! :-) |
| 21:36.44 | *** join/#debian nemo (n=nemo@60-242-110-35.tpgi.com.au) |
| 21:36.51 | Spyro_boy | jelly, hehe. I have ubuntu on my laptop. :) |
| 21:37.07 | Guerin | !htfswk ma3x |
| 21:37.07 | dpkg | ma3x: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 21:37.13 | Spyro_boy | rofl |
| 21:37.31 | ma3x | you know everything guerin |
| 21:37.40 | Nyle | Guerin |
| 21:37.44 | *** join/#debian CaspeR-Bz (i=singur@unaffiliated/casper-bz) |
| 21:37.56 | jelly | ma3x: I don't know, but Crossover Office (a commercial Wine offering) makes the shockwave plugin for Windows work in many Linux browsers. |
| 21:38.03 | Guerin | ma3x: i know you're not asking a debian quesiton |
| 21:38.06 | *** join/#debian odla (i=lontra@x84-187-112.wireless.umn.edu) |
| 21:38.14 | Nyle | I have a copy of cross over office |
| 21:38.19 | Nyle | it works great when you need it |
| 21:38.22 | Guerin | Nyle: you have my condolences |
| 21:38.30 | jelly | Guerin: why, is "does X exist in Debian" not a debian question? |
| 21:38.32 | *** join/#debian relaxed (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) |
| 21:38.33 | Nyle | Guerin: sometimes you need to run windows apps for work |
| 21:38.35 | ma3x | not asking a debian question? is there a browser with shockwave for debian? |
| 21:38.38 | flixil | hark, well ... mmm... thanks |
| 21:38.50 | ma3x | Nyle, how much it costs? |
| 21:38.56 | Nyle | it is a valid question |
| 21:39.00 | Spyro_boy | jelly, thanks for all the info! :D |
| 21:39.01 | Guerin | jelly: < ma3x> is there an explorer in linux with shockwave? # nothing to do with debian, or free software at all really |
| 21:39.05 | *** join/#debian zumbi (n=zumbi@27.132.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 21:39.06 | Nyle | ma3x: I didn't pay for it. |
| 21:39.25 | Guerin | Nyle: sometimes YOU need to run windows apps for work. I do too, but I have a windows box at work for that purpose. |
| 21:39.38 | jelly | Guerin: it's clumsy, but not necessarily offtopic. |
| 21:39.45 | Nyle | Guerin: eh.. sometimes |
| 21:39.51 | ma3x | Guerin, is shockwave available in any of the browsers on linux? |
| 21:39.52 | amphi | Nyle: run windows under qemu |
| 21:40.00 | Nyle | Guerin: but I don't have a windows box |
| 21:40.00 | Guerin | jelly: no, it's *necessarily* offtopic because shockwave wi;; never be in debian for the most elementary of reasons. |
| 21:40.04 | pickcoder | I've never gotten shockwave to work in X |
| 21:40.11 | *** join/#debian Sanitoeter (n=sani@p57BBED4E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:40.20 | Guerin | ma3x: ask #macdobedia |
| 21:40.20 | jelly | Guerin: how to use X in Debian is not offtopic either. |
| 21:40.32 | Guerin | jelly: but that's NOT WHAT HE FUCKING ASKED |
| 21:40.32 | Nyle | I'm sorry, what is the difference between shockwave and flash? |
| 21:40.40 | pickcoder | different formats |
| 21:40.47 | Nyle | Guerin: take a chill pill dude |
| 21:40.54 | Guerin | Nyle: i'm chilled |
| 21:40.58 | Nyle | ok |
| 21:40.59 | jelly | Guerin: sorry, I'm not in for a pointless flame. |
| 21:41.21 | ma3x | Nyle, anyway thanks for the information |
| 21:41.21 | Guerin | it just seems that otherwise reasonably sensible people need things spelt out for them in plain language |
| 21:41.26 | Nyle | ma3x: msg |
| 21:41.42 | pickcoder | ma3x: not that I'm aware of |
| 21:41.42 | *** join/#debian rafailowski_ (n=rafailow@vau75-8-82-239-203-15.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:41.53 | pickcoder | Macromedia never released a plug-in for linux |
| 21:42.00 | pickcoder | only a generic flash one |
| 21:42.17 | abrotman | there's no shockwave at all for linux |
| 21:42.23 | pickcoder | exactly |
| 21:42.24 | jelly | ma3x: cxoffice standard is $40 |
| 21:42.32 | abrotman | IE in wine .. have a nice day |
| 21:42.39 | ma3x | that's pitty, there was a petition which started a few years back |
| 21:42.41 | *** join/#debian zigong_ (n=weechat@70.55.152.111) |
| 21:42.42 | ma3x | still nothing |
| 21:42.46 | abrotman | ma3x: like they give a shit |
| 21:43.02 | flixil | I've been told that you can use shockwave using crossoveroffice |
| 21:43.04 | *** join/#debian protoloko (n=stealth@CableLink27-251.telefonia.InterCable.net) |
| 21:43.08 | abrotman | flash is barely functional on linux .. why divide efforts to get two half-assed plugins |
| 21:43.10 | pickcoder | Linux still isn't a viable desktop market for them |
| 21:43.20 | biz | is there a way to use apt through an socks5 proxy? |
| 21:43.21 | jelly | flixil: that's what I said (and have used, too) |
| 21:43.24 | abrotman | flixil: that's wine |
| 21:43.26 | *** join/#debian lgd_ (n=lgd_@adsl-ull-60-15.48-151.net24.it) |
| 21:43.31 | Nyle | I run shockwave on linux but through rdp :D |
| 21:43.33 | *** join/#debian motin__ (n=motin@c-2d8472d5.09-32-73746f42.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 21:43.34 | Guerin | biz: yes; http_proxy env variable |
| 21:43.42 | flixil | Nyle, what's rdp? |
| 21:43.46 | abrotman | !rdp |
| 21:43.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rdp is an acronym. ask me about remote desktop protocol or reliable datagram protocol |
| 21:43.46 | biz | Guerin: nice, thanks. |
| 21:43.54 | Nyle | !rdp |
| 21:43.58 | jelly | abrotman: basically, who cares if it's wine? You open your iceweasel and the shockwave crap runs in it. |
| 21:44.00 | flixil | ohh, that was just a joke then |
| 21:44.00 | Nyle | oops |
| 21:44.09 | Nyle | flixil: nope |
| 21:44.19 | Nyle | flixil: remote desktop protocol used by windows terminal services etc |
| 21:44.21 | flixil | Well gnash looks interesting |
| 21:44.29 | Nyle | its not shockwave |
| 21:44.35 | flixil | I know |
| 21:44.42 | Nyle | ok |
| 21:44.51 | flixil | What's the best free way to get flash nowadays? |
| 21:44.54 | ma3x | the thing is many websites have flash/shockwave stuff and it wastes the cpu too much in linux |
| 21:45.04 | Guerin | jelly: go and talk about it in #winehq for fuck's sakes |
| 21:45.04 | Nyle | flixil: apt-cache search flash :) |
| 21:45.09 | ma3x | as abrotman said kind of half plug-in |
| 21:45.18 | dalias | jelly, i care if it's wine. aside from all other concerns like free software, wine is unusable without 512 megs of ram or more... |
| 21:45.27 | flixil | Nyle, ... I just wanna know what's more advanced, no what can i found |
| 21:45.36 | Nyle | flixil: what? |
| 21:45.36 | dalias | even running trivial apps like notepad swap to hell on my 128 megs |
| 21:45.49 | Nyle | get with the program |
| 21:45.51 | Nyle | get more ram |
| 21:45.52 | JoshH | who doesn't have 512 or more? |
| 21:45.55 | jelly | dalias: the assumption is that user asked how to run X on Debian. |
| 21:46.00 | Nyle | JoshH: a lot of people don't,but should |
| 21:46.01 | biz | Guerin: seems like it doesn't work with socks proxies |
| 21:46.11 | Guerin | jelly: dalias, bercause he feels he shouldn't have to have more than 32MB |
| 21:46.16 | JoshH | i'm barely skating by with a gig now |
| 21:46.24 | Guerin | biz: i've used it |
| 21:46.26 | *** join/#debian rmayorga_ (n=rmayorga@unaffiliated/rmayorga) |
| 21:46.55 | Nyle | i only have 1 gb and I never swap. I have 8 virtual desktops, full kde installation,and over 20 windows open in at least 10 apps |
| 21:47.00 | *** join/#debian Supaplex (n=e@166-70-62-194.ip.xmission.com) |
| 21:47.21 | JoshH | i don't care for wine solutions either though |
| 21:47.29 | JoshH | but i don't care about shockwave either |
| 21:47.37 | dalias | nyle, "only"?! |
| 21:47.40 | dalias | 1gb is not only |
| 21:47.43 | dalias | 1gb is fucking huge |
| 21:47.43 | jelly | dalias: I've used it with a single gig. It's an interesting exercise in futility, though, I don't actually need or want to use any shockwave sites. |
| 21:47.48 | *** join/#debian Fjordside (n=JMF@90.185.54.203) |
| 21:47.50 | dalias | it's bigger than a hdd needs to be |
| 21:47.53 | Nyle | dalias: I am a gamer as well, and yes, 1gb is low |
| 21:48.22 | nex- | most new computers come with 2gb standard, get with the program :] |
| 21:48.24 | flixil | What's the lighter app to use with streamtuner to listen to the radio? (like xmms for example) |
| 21:48.29 | Guerin | dalias: welcome to our humble century, O ancient one. |
| 21:48.40 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:48.40 | dalias | nex-, buying new computers only means you're an idiot... |
| 21:48.47 | jelly | flixil: mplayer? :-) |
| 21:48.50 | *** join/#debian war (i=war@ritalin.simplylinux.org) |
| 21:48.53 | Guerin | i wanna know how you lot invented that time machine with only 32MB ram and 1G hard drives |
| 21:48.56 | biz | Guerin: http_proxy=127.0.0.1:9999 apt-get update gives me Temporary failure resolving '9999', using wget the same way works without problems? |
| 21:49.14 | Guerin | biz: put / on the end |
| 21:49.14 | *** join/#debian Iradigalesc (n=Iradigal@wikipedia/Iradigalesc) |
| 21:49.15 | *** join/#debian debian_23 (n=rui@sb-217-129-112-40.netvisao.pt) |
| 21:49.24 | dalias | 70mb hdd is a plenty for a very-much-working system |
| 21:49.24 | Guerin | biz: and http:// on the front |
| 21:49.44 | Guerin | dalias: very-much-woprking-at-1980s-capacity |
| 21:49.44 | kspath_ | dalias: You do not need to buy one every year. You might consider buying one every 3 years though. |
| 21:49.54 | debian_23 | can anyone tell me what the main,contrib,etc.. options in sources.list mean?? |
| 21:49.57 | dalias | every 10 years, maybe |
| 21:50.18 | jelly | dalias: have fun running debian stable with 32MB RAM an 1GB disk. |
| 21:50.19 | Guerin | dalias: they're different sections of the repo. See the install guide (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 21:50.27 | biz | Guerin: http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:9999/ apt-get update, doesn't work either |
| 21:50.35 | Guerin | biz: EWORKSFORME |
| 21:50.50 | Guerin | biz: try aptitude |
| 21:50.51 | biz | Guerin: same error where apt tries to resolve 9999 :o |
| 21:50.55 | kspath_ | if you use the tiny versions and stick with purely text based you might get away with it |
| 21:50.58 | Guerin | though there's no reason apt-get should fail |
| 21:51.04 | *** join/#debian _kaiser_ (n=kaiser@157-236-210-63-arpa.cust.cinci.current.net) |
| 21:51.05 | pickcoder | resolve 9999? |
| 21:51.08 | Guerin | biz: that's stupid |
| 21:51.14 | dalias | jelly, obviously debian isn't suitable for such a system, but debian is fine on a system from around 1999 with 128-192 megs |
| 21:51.26 | Guerin | dalias: nobody is questioning that. |
| 21:51.29 | *** join/#debian hackeron (n=hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) |
| 21:51.35 | hackeron | hey, can someone tell me please what is wrong with this command: 'iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING --sports 18005 -j MARK --set-mark 2' -- it says --sports is an unknown arg, I also tried --ports and --sport, same :( |
| 21:51.44 | Guerin | hackeron: #iptables |
| 21:51.46 | *** join/#debian sarixe (n=sarixe@pool-68-239-217-158.nwrk.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:51.56 | jelly | dalias: and you can as well run wine on that, too. :-) |
| 21:52.06 | debian_23 | no protocol |
| 21:52.14 | kspath_ | dalias: The cheapest PC you can buy now will likely have 256MB RAM and a much larger HD and likely a basic CDR |
| 21:52.19 | *** join/#debian sdflw (n=theresa@adsl-75-41-11-170.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 21:52.43 | sdflw | how do i remove the iceweasel stuff and not have it run over firefox???? |
| 21:52.46 | dalias | kspath_, the cheapest pc you can buy now has no ram inherently because you buy the ram, like all other parts, separately... |
| 21:52.51 | *** join/#debian dex (n=dex@acnq188.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 21:52.52 | debian_23 | hackeron try putting a protocol first |
| 21:52.56 | debian_23 | -p tcp |
| 21:52.58 | dalias | if you buy some dellshit you're getting ripped off |
| 21:52.59 | debian_23 | for example |
| 21:53.07 | *** join/#debian esaym (n=user@cpe-72-183-198-134.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 21:53.11 | hackeron | debian_23: oh yeah, that's it, forgot --sport is a tcp only match, thanks :) |
| 21:53.33 | debian_23 | no problem |
| 21:53.49 | Guerin | sdflw: iceweasel is firefox |
| 21:53.57 | kspath_ | dalias: I have built my own machines numerous times and in the end it was not always worth all the mess and extra costs |
| 21:54.11 | *** join/#debian techbie (n=atul@151.72.194.129) |
| 21:54.19 | Nyle | with blocksize 1024k, if i wanted to make a 1gb file using dd if=/dev/zero what would I specify the count as? |
| 21:54.24 | Nyle | 1024 also? |
| 21:54.40 | sdflw | Guerin: why on bsd boxes i install firefox, and it says firefox? |
| 21:54.44 | Nyle | that would be 1024 mb right? |
| 21:54.51 | Nyle | equal to 1gb |
| 21:55.08 | *** part/#debian blank_ (n=blank@19-100.dsl.iskon.hr) |
| 21:55.11 | sdflw | i fire up an apt-get install firefox, and it grabs a bunch of iceweasel stuff |
| 21:55.19 | Guerin | sdflw: because they probably use the sanctionied mozilla.org version |
| 21:55.21 | sdflw | why not just install firefox without iceweasel packages? |
| 21:55.22 | dalias | kspath_, cost is much lower, and the biggest difference is that you don't get crap hardware |
| 21:55.35 | sdflw | what's that mean? |
| 21:55.36 | Guerin | sdflw: iceweasel is what firefox has to be renamed fi you alter it |
| 21:55.42 | jelly | debian_23: try /msg dpkg contrib |
| 21:55.44 | Guerin | !iceweasel |
| 21:55.44 | dpkg | from memory, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 21:55.50 | dalias | i've always found that, given the same specs, a homebrew machine runs about 2-3x faster in all perceived-responsiveness tests than a prebuilt one |
| 21:55.50 | Guerin | sdflw: see above |
| 21:55.59 | Guerin | dalias: pure bullshit. |
| 21:56.00 | dalias | i don't have a good theoretical explanation for _why_ |
| 21:56.01 | Guerin | jesus |
| 21:56.07 | dalias | but it always happens |
| 21:56.11 | Guerin | you must get paid by the word to make up stupid shit |
| 21:56.15 | nex- | "crap hardware" its all from the same factory in taiwan anyways |
| 21:56.19 | Nyle | 1073741824 bytes (1.1 GB) copied .... ? |
| 21:56.20 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 21:56.21 | Guerin | nex-: exactly. |
| 21:56.31 | Nyle | what do i do for exactly 1gb |
| 21:56.32 | Nyle | ? |
| 21:56.38 | pickcoder | dalias: stop buying crappy OEM boxes |
| 21:56.38 | *** join/#debian JordiGH (n=jordi@189.166.76.123) |
| 21:56.42 | null | uhmm, hello, I have lots of packages called 'rc' at first, but I can delete because there are 'not installed', what is the way to purge it? wich are those packages? |
| 21:56.54 | JordiGH | There's a ralink USB dongle that does wireless with free drivers,right? |
| 21:56.54 | pickcoder | I've never had issues with OEM or built machines here |
| 21:56.56 | dalias | pickcoder, i'm talking about major pc vendors like dell. not randomass oem |
| 21:57.06 | pickcoder | I run Optiplex here |
| 21:57.10 | Nyle | man im horrible at math |
| 21:57.10 | Nyle | :( |
| 21:57.14 | pickcoder | as well as build my own servers |
| 21:57.19 | dalias | also.. |
| 21:57.23 | pickcoder | the Dimensions are crap, though |
| 21:57.29 | nex- | so a dell desktop with the same specs as a homebrew runs 3x slower? |
| 21:57.40 | Guerin | nex-: amazing, huh |
| 21:57.41 | dalias | if you buy prebuilt, it comes with hideous 'stylish' case that's non-box-shaped and impossible to stack and sit things on... |
| 21:57.58 | Nyle | never buy a desktop, always build one |
| 21:58.03 | Nyle | you can buy laptops though |
| 21:58.03 | dalias | (why the hell do you need a case anyway?! it can be reused from an older machine being retired...) |
| 21:58.04 | Guerin | JordiGH: yes |
| 21:58.11 | kspath_ | dalias: you are generalizing to the point it verges on falsehood |
| 21:58.33 | dalias | kspath_, show me a link to buy a new computer with a purely box-shaped case. no curves. |
| 21:58.36 | dalias | i dare you to find one :) |
| 21:58.48 | pickcoder | dalias: what does case style have to do with performance? |
| 21:58.50 | nex- | dell optiplex? |
| 21:58.50 | Guerin | JordiGH: asus WL167-G is one example, although different runs fo the same part (same part number, same branding, everything) use different chipsets. |
| 21:59.01 | dalias | pickcoder, i was commenting on _other_ reasons not to buy prebuilt |
| 21:59.02 | Guerin | JordiGH: get one with a rt73 chipset on it and you'll be golden |
| 21:59.04 | kspath_ | dalias: they only have to be flat on top/bottom/sides |
| 21:59.04 | dalias | in addition to performance |
| 21:59.06 | pickcoder | meh |
| 21:59.11 | jelly | dalias: supermicro rackmounts are boxy and ugly. |
| 21:59.28 | dalias | jelly, rackmounts are expensive as hell, last i checked.. |
| 21:59.44 | JordiGH | Guerin: So what's the the thing to buy? It's not like they advertise these USB dongles by chipset. :-/ |
| 21:59.52 | pickcoder | the older dell cooling designs sucked, I have to say |
| 21:59.54 | kspath_ | dalias: as you said, reuse your old cases. |
| 21:59.59 | jelly | dalias: so? |
| 22:00.08 | hark | Bridge ahead. Pay troll. |
| 22:00.10 | dalias | kspath_, and throw the new one away? how fucking irresponsible and wasteful... |
| 22:00.15 | kspath_ | dalias: buy rackmount cases as you can on sales and keep upgrading |
| 22:00.24 | Guerin | JordiGH: buy one you can return if it's the wrong chipset, or better yet, test it in the store. |
| 22:00.26 | hark | null: /msg dpkg purge |
| 22:00.36 | dalias | and here's the other reason not mentioned yet: hardware compatibility |
| 22:00.41 | Guerin | JordiGH: i was lucky and bought one without checking, it turned out to be the right one. |
| 22:00.48 | kspath_ | dalias: I did not say throw it away. You can recycle/reuse it. |
| 22:00.54 | dalias | new computers are always full of incompatible hardware that needs proprietary drivers |
| 22:01.04 | nex- | like what |
| 22:01.05 | dalias | kspath_, no one wants to buy a shitty dell case with no computer inside it... |
| 22:01.14 | dalias | nex-, like nvidia cards and ati cards :P |
| 22:01.19 | nex- | ... |
| 22:01.50 | nex- | ati opened their drivers, get with the program :] |
| 22:02.00 | dalias | i heard the 3d is not included |
| 22:02.05 | kspath_ | dalias: Are you going to keep setting up false arguements? I said buy rackmount cases if you like them on sale. I did not say from who/when/where/why/... |
| 22:02.14 | jelly | dalias: you keep adding addional limitations to your case each time a counterexample is offered. I'm stopping here. |
| 22:02.18 | null | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.26 | null | sorry, thanks hark |
| 22:02.28 | *** join/#debian odla (i=lontra@x84-187-112.wireless.umn.edu) |
| 22:02.34 | dalias | jelly, the point is that there are tons of reasons not to buy prebuilt machines |
| 22:02.39 | JordiGH | Guerin: This one? http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/asuswl167g/wl167g.htm |
| 22:02.54 | dalias | and i haven't yet heard one good reason to buy them except saving a little bit of time |
| 22:03.03 | pickcoder | saving money |
| 22:03.04 | *** join/#debian wombat^_^ (n=nemo@60-242-110-35.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:03.05 | dalias | (which could be a good reason for many users) |
| 22:03.11 | dalias | you'll never save money |
| 22:03.13 | kspath_ | dalias: in an ideal world with money and time I would ALWAYS built my own machines |
| 22:03.18 | pickcoder | it's cheaper to buy a new OEM box than to build one from scratch |
| 22:03.22 | jelly | dalias: please stop addressing me with this argument, mkay. |
| 22:03.23 | kspath_ | build |
| 22:03.23 | odla | i can't seem to shutdown, hibernate, suspend, or reboot in GNOME from a regular user ... i.e. i don't have the usual GNOME gui ... do i need to add myself to a particuarl group? |
| 22:03.24 | dalias | only time |
| 22:03.41 | Gm4n | what package do I have to install to get traceroute? |
| 22:03.45 | null | hark: this delete it then? aptitude purge '~c' |
| 22:03.52 | dalias | ideal new computer if you buy the parts yourself is maybe $300 tops |
| 22:04.03 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:04.08 | pickcoder | show me a shopping cart online |
| 22:04.12 | pickcoder | I'll buy one right now |
| 22:04.15 | hark | null: yes, that gets rid of all of them |
| 22:04.16 | nex- | ditto |
| 22:04.23 | dalias | i don't mean gamerkiddie crap |
| 22:04.30 | pickcoder | yeah.. a basic box |
| 22:04.37 | Guerin | JordiGH: yes, that's the model I have, though it doesn't state which chiopset is used |
| 22:04.37 | kspath_ | pickcoder: your definition of ideal may vary from others... ;-) |
| 22:04.39 | dalias | and i mean reusing everything you can from an old machine being retired |
| 22:04.48 | pickcoder | no |
| 22:04.49 | pickcoder | a new box |
| 22:04.49 | dalias | (case, drives, kb, monitor, mouse, ...) |
| 22:04.53 | pickcoder | versus an OEM |
| 22:05.02 | JordiGH | Gm4n: traceroute |
| 22:05.04 | dalias | you should always reuse |
| 22:05.10 | dalias | rather than making more trash |
| 22:05.17 | JordiGH | !info traceroute |
| 22:05.21 | dpkg | traceroute: (Traces the route taken by packets over an IPv4/IPv6 network), section net, is important. Version: 2.0.9~rc1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 22:05.22 | Gm4n | JordiGH: it's not part of some kind of network-utilities package that I should be installing? =) |
| 22:05.27 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher) |
| 22:05.38 | Gm4n | I'm just wondering why it's not preinstalled, seems like an essential |
| 22:05.53 | JordiGH | Gm4n: I was actually surprised myself to find out that there's a specific traceroute package. :-) |
| 22:06.17 | jelly | Gm4n: tracepath is installed instead |
| 22:06.43 | kspath_ | !abrotmoo |
| 22:06.43 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 22:07.28 | jelly | kspath_: that's MEAN! :-) |
| 22:07.37 | dalias | if you want to act like a gamer kiddie go play with your wintendos |
| 22:07.39 | kspath_ | jelly: I did not write abrotmoo |
| 22:07.42 | Guerin | JordiGH: also, the rt73 driver needed to run that dongle isn't in the stock linux or the debian kernel last I checked |
| 22:07.46 | pickcoder | kspath_: I've priced it a zillion ways for servers and for basic data entry boxes. OEM still comes out cheaper.. unless I build a dozen machines. |
| 22:07.51 | Guerin | JordiGH: but it's trivial to build, and free software |
| 22:07.58 | JordiGH | Guerin: Hm, with m-a? |
| 22:08.02 | kspath_ | jelly: but I did trigger it. You are right. It is mean spirited. |
| 22:08.21 | Guerin | JordiGH: nope. Google rt73 linux and you'll get comprehensive howtos |
| 22:08.26 | JordiGH | Guerin: Oh. |
| 22:08.27 | kspath_ | pickcoder: that is what I have seen as well |
| 22:08.32 | JordiGH | Guerin: Funny that it isn't in Debian. |
| 22:08.55 | Guerin | JordiGH: it might be nowadays; I installed mine about 8 months ago and haven't touched it since |
| 22:09.01 | null | Using aptitude on debian etch with /tmp (noexec option) I have got this error message, Permission denied at /usr/share/perl/5.8/IPC/Open3.pm line 168, using preapt exec and postapt noexec on debian sarge fix it, hot to fix it on etch? |
| 22:09.05 | pickcoder | too bad Monarch isn't still around |
| 22:09.14 | pickcoder | I actually could build decent boxes for a decent price |
| 22:09.18 | *** join/#debian mattswell (n=Matthew@cpe-066-057-236-142.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 22:09.20 | *** join/#debian odla (i=lontra@x84-187-112.wireless.umn.edu) |
| 22:09.28 | kspath_ | dalias: umm I do not play any games. If I did play games it would not impact my logic. |
| 22:09.29 | mattswell | how do I upgrade from libc6 2.3 to 2.6? |
| 22:09.41 | mattswell | aptitude lists only 2.3 available |
| 22:09.48 | jelly | mattswell: why? |
| 22:09.51 | kspath_ | dalias: most of my hardware is quite old |
| 22:09.54 | mattswell | i have a package depending on it |
| 22:09.58 | mattswell | faac |
| 22:10.09 | dalias | thats cool |
| 22:10.16 | jelly | mattswell: you should probably use a backport instead |
| 22:10.32 | JordiGH | mattswell: Don't fuck with libc6. |
| 22:10.33 | mattswell | what is a backport :D |
| 22:10.43 | pickcoder | !backports |
| 22:10.43 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 22:10.44 | kspath_ | dalias: I prefer command line/ncurses/fast/small applications |
| 22:10.51 | null | I use this, but does not work on etch |
| 22:10.52 | null | DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";}; |
| 22:10.53 | null | DPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount,nosuid,nodev,noexec,noatime /tmp";}; |
| 22:10.53 | jelly | mattswell: where did you get that package from? |
| 22:11.01 | mattswell | googled for it |
| 22:11.06 | mattswell | it wasn't in aptitude |
| 22:11.10 | jelly | mattswell: might be they alos have a build for etch. |
| 22:11.13 | JordiGH | mattswell: What package is it? |
| 22:11.19 | JordiGH | Oh, faac. |
| 22:11.32 | jelly | mattswell: I think debian-multimedia has recent faac and faad. |
| 22:11.34 | JordiGH | !info libfaac0 |
| 22:11.43 | mattswell | i needed the dev package |
| 22:11.43 | jelly | !d-m |
| 22:11.43 | dpkg | hmm... debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for various legal reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add APT sources, ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>. |
| 22:11.52 | dalias | kspath_, :) |
| 22:11.54 | JordiGH | mattswell: Indeed, get it from Marillat. |
| 22:11.55 | jelly | mattswell: what for? |
| 22:12.04 | mattswell | recompiling mpd |
| 22:12.13 | mattswell | the debian tree mpd does not have pulseaudio support |
| 22:12.26 | Guerin | !pulse audio |
| 22:12.27 | jelly | ah. |
| 22:12.27 | JordiGH | Well, marillat also has the faac dev package. |
| 22:12.35 | flixil | I think that i found a bug in aptitude 0.4.4 (etch). Aptitude by default don't install recommends as dependencies in xarchiver but for example it does in devhelp. An other user (inigo from #debian-es) has told me that this also happens to him. What should i do? |
| 22:12.40 | flixil | Can someone that doesn't use locale ES tell me if this happens to him? |
| 22:12.50 | Guerin | is that another stupid proprietary reinvent-the-wheel format or is it marketroid speak for an existing format? |
| 22:12.59 | *** join/#debian keith__ (n=keith@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) |
| 22:13.01 | JordiGH | flixil: What's the recommend that it should install but doesn't? |
| 22:13.01 | jelly | mattswell: I'd suggest using d-m etch repositroy to get the build-dependencies |
| 22:13.14 | pickcoder | flixil: create a case scenario that repeats the error |
| 22:13.20 | pickcoder | and paste it to the bug reports |
| 22:13.27 | Guerin | flixil: check the BTS |
| 22:13.38 | *** join/#debian pajaroloco (n=ocellboi@118.222.219.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) |
| 22:13.39 | flixil | JordiGH, all |
| 22:13.42 | pickcoder | er.. yeah.. after you make sure it's not already there |
| 22:13.57 | flixil | Well this is my first bug, how can i check the bug track system? |
| 22:14.02 | karsten | !bts |
| 22:14.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 22:14.17 | karsten | .. Is that |
| 22:14.17 | karsten | > possibly some memory corruption or something? |
| 22:14.41 | *** join/#debian Phoenix92x (n=phoenix@64.81.142.146) |
| 22:14.41 | karsten | pickcoder: A womb. |
| 22:14.54 | *** join/#debian odla (i=lontra@x84-187-112.wireless.umn.edu) |
| 22:15.00 | karsten | pickcoder: Didn't you just put in an order with womb service? |
| 22:15.21 | pickcoder | yeah, but someone put the order in wrong |
| 22:15.24 | pickcoder | I got two instead of one |
| 22:15.30 | karsten | Heh. |
| 22:15.32 | jelly | this convo is too weird for me. /away :-> |
| 22:15.41 | karsten | jelly: Ta. |
| 22:15.42 | pickcoder | jelly: I had twins recently |
| 22:15.48 | pickcoder | well.. _I_ didn't |
| 22:15.53 | pickcoder | the wife did |
| 22:15.54 | jelly | o.O |
| 22:15.56 | Nyle | yeh |
| 22:15.57 | jelly | ah |
| 22:16.00 | Nyle | you didn't do jack |
| 22:16.01 | karsten | pickcoder: You were the appreciative and awed audience? |
| 22:16.05 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 22:16.05 | Nyle | all you did was a little moving around once |
| 22:16.06 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:16.07 | Nyle | :D |
| 22:16.19 | Phoenix92x | I'm having trouble with nfs. I have an nfs server configured on my debian machine but I can't mount the NFS share from my kubuntu machine. I'm not very familiar with nfs but I've read most of the handbook for it. I just get the feeling I'm missing something. When I try to mount the share I get the response 'mount to NFS server '(ip addy)' failed." could someone help me? |
| 22:16.22 | karsten | pickcoder: Congrats to the missus and yourself regardless. |
| 22:16.24 | *** join/#debian keith__ (n=keith@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) |
| 22:16.25 | Phoenix92x | running etch |
| 22:16.26 | pickcoder | thanks |
| 22:16.29 | jelly | likewise. |
| 22:16.33 | Nyle | boys? girls? |
| 22:16.38 | Nyle | one of each? |
| 22:16.41 | pickcoder | twin gir;s |
| 22:16.43 | pickcoder | girls too |
| 22:16.44 | Nyle | word |
| 22:16.46 | karsten | Phoenix92x: What's on the server logs? |
| 22:16.58 | Nyle | pictures?? |
| 22:17.01 | *** join/#debian Elad3 (n=Elad@bzq-88-153-208-133.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 22:17.02 | Elad3 | hello |
| 22:17.03 | Elad3 | someone know how to mount smb ? |
| 22:17.11 | *** join/#debian delroth_ (i=delroth@som62-1-89-88-158-75.dsl.club-internet.fr) |
| 22:17.14 | Phoenix92x | karsten: um, how do I check? |
| 22:17.17 | karsten | Phoenix92x: You need portmapper running on both sides, statd and lockd along with the kernel-space NFS stuff on the server. |
| 22:17.21 | Nyle | Elad3: yeh its easy |
| 22:17.33 | Gm4n | !ntop |
| 22:17.33 | dpkg | methinks ntop is at http://www-serra.unipi.it/~ntop/ or i need alpha-dec-osf4 binaries |
| 22:17.38 | karsten | Phoenix92x: less /var/log/messages. Maybe "grep -i nfs /var/log/messages" |
| 22:17.57 | Phoenix92x | karsten: I know portmap is running on both sides |
| 22:18.04 | Nyle | Elad3: install smbfs and mount -t smbfs -o username=blah,password=blah //blah/blah /blah/blah |
| 22:18.09 | Phoenix92x | is the kernel space stuff nfs-kernel-server ? |
| 22:18.13 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: What's in the server's /etc/exports and what's in the clients' /etc/fstab? |
| 22:18.21 | Gm4n | how do you teach dpkg? |
| 22:18.24 | Gm4n | it's wrong about ntop |
| 22:18.30 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Though I'm using a lot of NFS at present, my debug-fu is still somewhat weak. The error messages / diagnostics could be better. |
| 22:18.32 | JordiGH | dpkg, ntop |
| 22:18.33 | dpkg | it has been said that ntop is at http://www-serra.unipi.it/~ntop/ or i need alpha-dec-osf4 binaries |
| 22:18.35 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: and you need to not have any firewallery between. It's devilishly hard to punch the right holes for NFS. |
| 22:18.46 | JordiGH | dpkg, no, ntop is whatever Gm4n says it is. |
| 22:18.46 | dpkg | okay, JordiGH |
| 22:18.49 | Phoenix92x | Guerin: no internal firewalls |
| 22:18.49 | JordiGH | dpkg, ntop |
| 22:18.49 | dpkg | it has been said that ntop is whatever Gm4n says it is. |
| 22:18.55 | Elad3 | Nyle, thanks :) |
| 22:19.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 828] by debhelper |
| 22:19.01 | Gm4n | aieee, lol |
| 22:19.03 | Nyle | yup |
| 22:19.05 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: hurrah for sanity! |
| 22:19.17 | Gm4n | dpkg, no, ntop is located at http://www.ntop.org/ |
| 22:19.17 | dpkg | okay, Gm4n |
| 22:19.24 | Phoenix92x | ok, doing etc/exports first |
| 22:19.40 | *** join/#debian zOap (n=zOap@84.53.35.121) |
| 22:19.42 | Phoenix92x | should I do pastebin for this? |
| 22:19.49 | geo-rge | why do people like nfs so much?? |
| 22:19.50 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Check also your exports, allowed hosts, and all that jazz. I should know what you need to check but have forgotten it again. |
| 22:20.14 | *** join/#debian Chascon (n=chatzill@pc-110-100-83-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 22:20.17 | *** join/#debian ungoliant (n=ungolian@175.pool85-56-194.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 22:20.18 | Nyle | you can't connect to nfs share? |
| 22:20.19 | karsten | geo-rge: It's a widely implemented standard, and once you've got it configured, the no-fucking-security aspect of it makes it easy to use. |
| 22:20.30 | karsten | geo-rge: That said, it's a massive headache at $WORK. |
| 22:20.39 | Nyle | karsten: perhaps he needs to install portmap? |
| 22:20.49 | Nyle | i dunno wtf is goin on |
| 22:20.50 | karsten | Nyle: Claims it is. |
| 22:21.00 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 22:21.02 | *** join/#debian x_link (n=sedde@unaffiliated/xlink) |
| 22:21.02 | karsten | Nyle: I'm shocked, shocked. |
| 22:21.07 | Nyle | heh |
| 22:21.10 | Nyle | double shocked |
| 22:21.11 | *** part/#debian keith__ (n=keith@216-164-160-36.c3-0.eas-ubr10.atw-eas.pa.static.cable.rcn.com) |
| 22:21.16 | *** join/#debian astate (n=astateof@user-12lmkoa.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 22:21.18 | *** part/#debian ungoliant (n=ungolian@175.pool85-56-194.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 22:21.38 | *** join/#debian behanw (n=behanw@d38-64-94.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 22:21.39 | *** join/#debian NikoK_ (i=nikopoik@pox.fi) |
| 22:21.41 | Guerin | the main reason i use nfs is that no other implementations do what it does without hours of work |
| 22:21.44 | Phoenix92x | karsten: doing less on /var/log/messages and grepping for nfs yields basically nothing, just it saying "using /var/log/messages/nfs/v4vercory as the NFSv4 state recovery dierectory" |
| 22:21.48 | astate | I'm running a lamp server locally in vmware, so I'm not worried about security...but basically I want to know if there is a command I can execute (after sudo -s) that will make all of my changes seem like its coming from the user www-data so I don't have to be constantly chown'ing things |
| 22:21.58 | astate | er after su |
| 22:22.15 | Phoenix92x | should I post my /etc/exports here or to pastebin? |
| 22:22.16 | karsten | Phoenix92x: You can bump up the verbosity of NFS. Check also /var/log/daemon and /var/log/kern.log |
| 22:22.19 | Guerin | astate: security is always a consideration |
| 22:22.35 | Guerin | astate: a web server in vmware can still send spam and act as a black ftp |
| 22:22.41 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Or just: find /var/log -type f -print0 | xargs -0 grep -tli nfs |
| 22:22.54 | astate | but its not publicly accessible |
| 22:23.00 | Guerin | oh |
| 22:23.03 | Guerin | heh :) |
| 22:23.11 | karsten | Guerin: Except in Windows, where security is _not_ an option. |
| 22:23.17 | astate | its only for development |
| 22:23.21 | Supaplex | astate: I hope www-data doesn't own anything you value |
| 22:23.34 | Phoenix92x | karsten: said -t was an invalid option for grep |
| 22:23.39 | *** join/#debian defected (n=rej@77.49.171.23) |
| 22:23.56 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Um. '-a' == '--text' |
| 22:24.00 | astate | no, I'm just playing with ruby on rails...and I'm tired of chown'ing the directory after executing a ruby or rails command |
| 22:24.06 | karsten | Phoenix92x: RTFM and don't believe everything I tell you. |
| 22:24.08 | astate | and I want to emulate being logged in as www-data |
| 22:24.14 | Phoenix92x | ok |
| 22:24.24 | *** join/#debian cutekat (n=goodshit@75.80.5.221) |
| 22:24.38 | karsten | Phoenix92x: I'll generally get you pointed in the right direction. Don't always nail it though. |
| 22:24.44 | Phoenix92x | *nods* |
| 22:24.56 | Phoenix92x | karsten: should I show you the /etc/exports file? |
| 22:25.03 | flixil | The system information in BTS is added automatically by a program? |
| 22:25.11 | flixil | like shell and so on |
| 22:25.12 | Phoenix92x | and /etc/hosts.allow /etc/hosts.deny ? |
| 22:25.18 | Phoenix92x | I can put it to pastebin if that works best |
| 22:25.28 | karsten | Phoenix92x: So long as this doesn't turn into one of these "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" |
| 22:25.32 | karsten | !tell Phoenix92x about pastebin |
| 22:25.33 | Phoenix92x | lol |
| 22:25.35 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Yeah, sure. |
| 22:25.48 | karsten | Phoenix92x: While you're at it: iptables -L |
| 22:25.56 | karsten | Phoenix92x: ... and whatever it takes to show all rulesets. |
| 22:27.10 | *** join/#debian phrozen77 (n=phrozen7@unaffiliated/phrozen77) |
| 22:27.55 | Phoenix92x | karsten: http://www.pastebin.ca/698045 , there's /etc/exports, /etc/hosts.allow, /etc/hosts.deny |
| 22:28.01 | Phoenix92x | Ill print the iptables and post it |
| 22:28.02 | Phoenix92x | one sec |
| 22:28.54 | *** join/#debian amrit|wrk (i=R00T@c-67-180-143-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 22:29.12 | mattswell | thanks for the tip on the multimedia backports |
| 22:29.14 | Phoenix92x | http://www.pastebin.ca/698050 |
| 22:29.16 | mattswell | they worked great |
| 22:29.20 | Phoenix92x | and there's the output of iptables -L |
| 22:29.23 | amrit|wrk | hi there... can update-rc.d be used to display whether a service is configured to run? (instead of just enabling/disabling it) |
| 22:29.36 | mattswell | my install of debian had a default backport defined, but aparently the host is dead |
| 22:29.48 | mattswell | it was backports.org kernel-2.6.6 or something |
| 22:29.51 | mattswell | i deleted it :( |
| 22:30.01 | *** join/#debian floppypond (n=floppypo@wnpgmb014vw-ad05-247-97.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 22:30.23 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 22:30.47 | *** join/#debian dvst (i=dvst@190.75.119.214) |
| 22:31.04 | *** join/#debian jintxo (n=jintxo@106.Red-83-33-142.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:31.30 | *** join/#debian jfl1 (n=jflm@243.Red-217-127-27.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:31.42 | JordiGH | It's always a little disheartening when the first Google hit is a 404 page. |
| 22:31.52 | karsten | Phoenix92x: IPs match? |
| 22:31.53 | Elad3 | mount -t smbfs -o isocharset=iso8859-8 -o username=elad //192.168.2.101/D$ /mnt/blabla --> it's not mounting with isocharset, why? |
| 22:32.27 | Phoenix92x | yes |
| 22:33.51 | *** join/#debian Blwood (n=Blwood@247.236-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 22:33.59 | Phoenix92x | oh, forgot to post the relevant line from /etc/fstab |
| 22:34.50 | Phoenix92x | http://www.pastebin.ca/698057 |
| 22:34.51 | *** join/#debian pontusen (i=Dniw@h34n4-hst-d1.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 22:35.05 | JordiGH | Oh, btw, what's the preferred way to attempt to remount an nfs drive if it doesn't work at bootup for whatever reason? E.g. if I inadvertently turned on a client before the server. |
| 22:35.24 | Phoenix92x | karsten: one thing I should note, the handbook I read for nfs noted the use of "nfs-utils" over and over, yet doing apt-get install nfs-utils I get the response that there is no such package, |
| 22:35.25 | pontusen | shouldn't gcc be included with install? And why does one need to insert a cd to apt-get it(to the non existent dvd drive...) |
| 22:35.53 | JordiGH | Guerin: The second page explicitly mentions the Ralink chipset. |
| 22:35.57 | *** join/#debian NightAssassin (n=V1sta@r190-64-53-225.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 22:35.57 | JordiGH | Guerin: http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/asuswl167g/wl167g_2.htm |
| 22:35.58 | *** join/#debian Pc_Dark (n=mike@unaffiliated/pcdark/x-837429) |
| 22:36.03 | JordiGH | Guerin: Woohoo! |
| 22:36.10 | Phoenix92x | pontusen: its not neccessarily part of every install, its asking for a cd probably because its in your /etc/apt/sources.list, whats your sources.list say? |
| 22:36.18 | *** part/#debian NightAssassin (n=V1sta@r190-64-53-225.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy) |
| 22:36.26 | JordiGH | pontusen: No, not every Debian user is a developer. |
| 22:37.09 | pontusen | JordiGH, you really don't have to be a developer to be needing gcc/g++ sometimes :| |
| 22:37.22 | JordiGH | pontusen: If you need gcc and you're not a developer, then Debian has failed. |
| 22:37.24 | pontusen | Phoenix92x, it puts the cdrom first there, can I safely remove that line? |
| 22:37.37 | karsten | Phoenix92x: nfs-utils => nfs-common in Debian. |
| 22:37.38 | Phoenix92x | well, don't remove it |
| 22:37.52 | Phoenix92x | pontusen: put a "#" before the lines refernecing the cd-rom, that comments them out |
| 22:38.02 | Phoenix92x | karsten: ok, good to know, was wondering about that |
| 22:38.12 | pontusen | JordiGH, yeah, such a failure that a friend's project isn't included in aptitude, agreed. :( |
| 22:38.13 | *** join/#debian dewey (n=dewey@c-76-22-105-74.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 22:38.17 | pontusen | Phoenix92x, yeah, thanks :) |
| 22:38.23 | JordiGH | pontusen: What project? It may be included elsewhere. |
| 22:38.43 | Phoenix92x | pontusen: whats the rest of your sources.list say? the two main ones you want are security.debian.org and ftp.debian.org |
| 22:38.46 | *** join/#debian stew (i=nulliden@unaffiliated/stew) |
| 22:38.50 | karsten | Phoenix92x: apt-cache search nfs-utils, show the packageslisted. |
| 22:38.51 | Elad3 | any idea how to use "isocharset" on mount command? |
| 22:38.55 | stew | happy friday |
| 22:38.59 | karsten | Phoenix92x: nfs-utils is the source of nfs-common |
| 22:39.03 | JordiGH | stew: TGIF |
| 22:39.25 | pontusen | JordiGH, a small ftp client. (like there aren't tons of 'em already...) |
| 22:39.30 | karsten | Phoenix92x: I think your hosts.deny will cause you problems. |
| 22:39.32 | *** join/#debian Yarou (n=himurake@unaffiliated/yarou) |
| 22:39.35 | Phoenix92x | karsten: nfs-common, nts-kernel-server, nhfsstone, unionfs-utils |
| 22:39.41 | pontusen | Phoenix92x, yeah, they were there both, thanks for helping me out, gcc is installed :) |
| 22:39.45 | Phoenix92x | karsten: really? how do you suggest I alter it? |
| 22:39.48 | Phoenix92x | pontusen: gladly |
| 22:40.00 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Oh, wait, you're specifically allowing above. |
| 22:40.13 | Phoenix92x | karsten: thats why Im confused, lol |
| 22:40.27 | karsten | Phoenix92x: One thing you might try is to temporarially disable hosts.allow/hosts.deny (rename them), see if the problem persists. |
| 22:40.27 | JordiGH | pontusen: Wait, is this something your friend made and you want to compile for yourself? |
| 22:40.39 | JordiGH | pontusen: Or is this something out there that *should* be in Debian? |
| 22:41.06 | *** join/#debian joepa (n=joepa@pdpc/supporter/student/joepa) |
| 22:41.21 | Phoenix92x | karsten: trying that and restarting the nfs server |
| 22:41.35 | c0rnd0g | hi |
| 22:41.41 | Phoenix92x | karsten: then try mounting it again? |
| 22:41.53 | Phoenix92x | good idea btw, try and limit where the problem is |
| 22:42.06 | pontusen | JordiGH, no no, it was just a small client he made and I'll be trying out, so really not debian's fault it's not in aptitude ;) |
| 22:42.15 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Yeah. Might also try unqualified mounts as well, see if it works w/o security, add security back in, see if that fixes/causes the problem. |
| 22:42.39 | Phoenix92x | karsten: I'm unfamiliar with unqualified mounts |
| 22:42.49 | JordiGH | pontusen: I think, in that case, that I would classify you as a developer, or the next best thing, a beta tester. ;-) |
| 22:42.53 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Just define an export, no hosts. |
| 22:43.08 | pontusen | JordiGH, yeah, you're right. You win, I fail. :P |
| 22:43.09 | karsten | Phoenix92x: ... and I'm not fully sure of what I'm talking about either, FYI ;-) |
| 22:43.22 | Phoenix92x | karsten: I'll try that next if this doesnt work, then I'll be off to dinner for now |
| 22:43.24 | *** join/#debian Tobizaz (i=tobias@83.73.151.240.ip.tele2adsl.dk) |
| 22:44.20 | *** join/#debian floe_ (n=flo@i59F71ADA.versanet.de) |
| 22:44.25 | Phoenix92x | karsten: any idea how I check what version of nfs I'm running? |
| 22:44.41 | *** join/#debian Pc_Dark (n=mike@unaffiliated/pcdark/x-837429) |
| 22:44.44 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Check the package version. Easy answer. |
| 22:44.53 | JordiGH | apt-cache policy nfs-kernel-server |
| 22:44.58 | Phoenix92x | that would be the package version for nfs-kernel-server yes? |
| 22:45.02 | Phoenix92x | how do I check a package version? |
| 22:45.04 | karsten | Phoenix92x: What's really important is the protocol, you should be able to specify. 3/4 should both be suported. |
| 22:45.11 | karsten | Phoenix92x: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 22:45.13 | *** join/#debian NicNac (i=jonny@cpc1-stok4-0-0-cust514.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:45.40 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 22:45.41 | Phoenix92x | karsten: trying with unspecified, past that Im going to stop the server for now and go eat, lol |
| 22:45.51 | Phoenix92x | and then I'll be back |
| 22:45.52 | *** join/#debian Nihill (i=jonny@cpc1-stok4-0-0-cust514.bagu.cable.ntl.com) |
| 22:46.07 | Phoenix92x | karsten: how can I make sure all of the daemons you mentioned earlier are running? |
| 22:46.18 | karsten | Phoenix92x: ps is your friend. |
| 22:46.26 | karsten | Phoenix92x: 'ps waux | grep <pattern>' |
| 22:46.26 | Phoenix92x | ah |
| 22:46.37 | karsten | Phoenix92x: Also netstat, they should be listening. |
| 22:46.45 | karsten | netstat -tplv |
| 22:46.54 | karsten | Assumes you're doing TCP protocol, which in general you should. |
| 22:47.25 | karsten | bbl |
| 22:47.27 | Phoenix92x | hmm....ok, well dpkg -l nfs-kernel-server tells me it has no version and no description |
| 22:47.37 | Phoenix92x | and apt-cache policy nfs-kernel-server tells me its candidate 1:1.0.12-4 |
| 22:48.02 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: But which one is installed? |
| 22:48.16 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@c-71-230-49-187.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 22:48.20 | JordiGH | Wtf? You didn't install nfs-kernel-server on the server? Whoa, buddy. I think we have found your problem. :-) |
| 22:48.22 | Phoenix92x | heh, wrong machine, dpkg -l nfs-kernel-server tells me itrs version 1.0.10-6+etch.1 |
| 22:48.28 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: how doyou mean? |
| 22:48.43 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: Nothing, looks like there was some confusion. |
| 22:49.06 | *** join/#debian ding_ (n=ding@c-69-138-22-34.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 22:49.19 | Phoenix92x | think I found part of the problem |
| 22:49.25 | Phoenix92x | but I have to go get dinner upstairs and be back down here a bit later |
| 22:49.32 | Phoenix92x | statd and blockd arent running for one thing |
| 22:49.36 | stew | abrotman: go sox |
| 22:49.37 | Phoenix92x | even though itll start nfsd |
| 22:49.46 | *** join/#debian zinx (n=zinx@unaffiliated/zinx) |
| 22:49.46 | abrotman | stew: ? |
| 22:49.58 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH karsten: I'll be back later on, couple hours perhaps, thank you very much both for your help so far |
| 22:50.03 | *** join/#debian seekin (n=cxvbcvxb@rtwl-590ed35b.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 22:50.08 | abrotman | stew: are you all settled in for the game? :) |
| 22:50.30 | stew | abrotman: can you help me get beryl running inside vmware on my ati x2900? |
| 22:50.41 | seekin | is it possible to run an 2.6.18 with an 500HZ Kernel? I thought editing the param.h would help, but i failed. So, is it possible? |
| 22:51.07 | abrotman | stew: you'll need the nvidia drivers |
| 22:51.10 | stew | abrotman: i think we are going to show up late to an engagement so we can go to the lighthouse for dinner to get a 'feel' for how it is going |
| 22:51.11 | JordiGH | Kernels have cycle speeds? |
| 22:51.28 | abrotman | stew: matsuzaka seems to be running out of gas .. cross your fingers |
| 22:51.32 | stew | abrotman: i ran the install.sh from nvidia.info but its not works |
| 22:51.46 | *** join/#debian ustunozgur (n=ustunozg@d80008b.dorm.bilkent.edu.tr) |
| 22:51.47 | abrotman | stew: hrm .. maybe you need to emerge kernel.dll ? |
| 22:51.55 | JordiGH | stew, abrotman, you two are cute. |
| 22:52.05 | abrotman | !wb stew |
| 22:52.06 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! stew has returned! |
| 22:52.36 | abrotman | stew: likely be a rough game .. |
| 22:53.04 | JordiGH | seekin: Pardon me, but wtf is a 500Hz kernel? |
| 22:53.08 | stew | however mrs. stew is currently mia shopping for 'black shoes' |
| 22:53.27 | abrotman | stew: uhm .. what kind of engagement is it ? a formal event? |
| 22:53.57 | Nihill | stew, dont get in the way of shopping is my advice :P |
| 22:53.58 | stew | abrotman: art opening for a colllege roomate of mrs.stew that we haven't seen since our wedding. so we have to actually make it there |
| 22:54.15 | abrotman | Iridos: done yet? |
| 22:54.23 | abrotman | stew: ah .. yeah .. you do need to go then :) |
| 22:54.23 | Iridos | jepp |
| 22:54.26 | stew | Nihill: the more money she spends on shoes, the more money i can spend on random electronics |
| 22:54.39 | abrotman | stew: maybe you should get a working bluetooth device!!! |
| 22:54.42 | JordiGH | stew: That sounds like a fair arrangement. |
| 22:54.48 | Nihill | stew, you got it! took me a while to figure that one out :P |
| 22:54.50 | Iridos | abrotman: feeling molested? |
| 22:54.57 | Guerin | teun van dijk |
| 22:54.58 | stew | abrotman: i can switch desktops on tritium with a wiimote now |
| 22:55.02 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:55.05 | Guerin | ECHAN |
| 22:55.08 | *** join/#debian mazzanet (n=mazzanet@unaffiliated/mazzanet) |
| 22:55.08 | abrotman | stew: you geek |
| 22:55.25 | *** join/#debian Xenguy (n=gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca) |
| 22:55.30 | stew | abrotman: name calling is not going to be tollerated :P |
| 22:55.38 | jelly-home | what's a tri... that? |
| 22:55.46 | abrotman | !tritium |
| 22:55.51 | abrotman | bah .. stupid bot |
| 22:55.56 | abrotman | jelly-home: see stew's blog |
| 22:55.57 | *** join/#debian Guilt (n=ca361a78@cpe-74-76-59-19.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 22:56.05 | jelly-home | !stew's blog |
| 22:56.11 | stew | JordiGH: http://vireo.org/~stew/blog/linux/tritium |
| 22:56.29 | abrotman | jelly-home: and smack tuomov on your way there |
| 22:56.31 | jelly-home | thanks |
| 22:56.32 | JordiGH | stew: Thanks, although it wasn't me who was asking for the blog link. |
| 22:56.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: read it anyways! |
| 22:56.59 | Xenguy | .oO(w00t! SCO finally dies!) |
| 22:56.59 | stew | JordiGH: hi, plz to be joining my network on myface |
| 22:57.16 | jelly-home | xchat 2.8.4 finally has most-recently-used <tab> completion... however it's still on packaged |
| 22:57.26 | abrotman | unpackaged ? |
| 22:57.35 | jelly-home | s/on/not/. yes |
| 22:57.51 | Iridos | jelly-home? |
| 22:57.52 | JordiGH | stew: Is it in Experimental? |
| 22:58.00 | jelly-home | Iridos: yes? |
| 22:58.30 | Iridos | jelly-home: just checking.. I thought I'm using that since a couple of days/weeks |
| 22:58.36 | Iridos | with the packaged version |
| 22:58.46 | jelly-home | 2.8.2 available here on i386 |
| 22:58.54 | JordiGH | stew: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1908102 |
| 22:58.58 | abrotman | Xenguy: hardly dead |
| 22:59.02 | Iridos | jelly-home: hm, ok, mixed that up |
| 22:59.24 | *** join/#debian LightKnight (n=gabry@adsl-218-77.37-151.net24.it) |
| 22:59.30 | Iridos | jelly-home: so I notice I just have not clue what "most-recently-used <tab>" is used to mean :) |
| 22:59.32 | Xenguy | abrotman: but I want to see them crash and burn ;-) |
| 22:59.38 | Iridos | s/used/meant/ |
| 22:59.40 | amphi | perhaps a PIPE fairy will turn up |
| 22:59.42 | *** join/#debian Kartoffelsalat (n=dennisme@pD9E351BF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:59.43 | *** join/#debian tsurko (n=tsurko@78.90.100.214) |
| 22:59.48 | abrotman | Xenguy: you'll likely have to wait a bit longer |
| 22:59.52 | Iridos | s/mean$/do/ |
| 22:59.55 | stew | JordiGH: no, i have one bug to track down then mako is going to upload it |
| 23:00.13 | jelly-home | Iridos: you press j<tab> and it expands to the j nick that talked on the channel last |
| 23:00.23 | *** join/#debian Celelibi (i=celelibi@90.50.118.206) |
| 23:00.35 | Iridos | jelly-home: ok... I *am* using that since a couple of days when I discovered it... |
| 23:00.42 | jelly-home | hmm |
| 23:00.48 | Iridos | on an xchat package that has been installed for ages here, I think |
| 23:00.48 | *** join/#debian CcSsNET (n=ccssnet@pool-96-234-77-211.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:00.56 | Iridos | it's called "last-spoke-order" |
| 23:00.56 | jelly-home | dpkg -s xchat says what version? |
| 23:00.56 | dpkg | Badgers ate my xchat says what version! |
| 23:00.56 | badgers | dpkg: i don't know |
| 23:01.07 | Nihill | I found it when I was smacking the keyboard for whatever reason |
| 23:01.11 | jelly-home | lol |
| 23:01.12 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:01.15 | *** join/#debian unilynx (n=unilynx@pool-70-16-74-104.port.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:01.18 | Iridos | Version: 2.6.8-0.3 |
| 23:01.36 | jelly-home | Iridos: wtf, that's from stable! and I have 2.8.2 in testing. |
| 23:01.42 | Iridos | yes |
| 23:01.46 | abrotman | stew: you haven't blogged in awhile |
| 23:02.14 | stew | yeah, i have 3 to svn commit |
| 23:02.15 | Iridos | and in preferences->input box, I can select: "Nick completion sorted:"--> Last-spoke-order |
| 23:02.32 | JordiGH | Ooh, window management without mouse? I endorse this idea or product. |
| 23:02.35 | Iridos | jelly-home: and that seems to me to do just what you described |
| 23:02.46 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's uhm .. been around for quite awhile |
| 23:02.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: for that matter .. i do it with gnome |
| 23:02.53 | c0rnd0g | what is Debian package to control services? |
| 23:03.04 | *** part/#debian ustunozgur (n=ustunozg@d80008b.dorm.bilkent.edu.tr) |
| 23:03.12 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/<service> |
| 23:03.35 | stew | c0rnd0g: sysv-rc ; perhaps /msg dpkg red hat tools |
| 23:03.39 | abrotman | also start-stop-daemon might be useful ? |
| 23:03.43 | JordiGH | abrotman: I guess I could do it with kwin too if I bound the right keys. |
| 23:04.13 | *** join/#debian fnord23 (n=mutante@64.62.88.50) |
| 23:04.21 | pontusen | Could someone please help me? I have openssl but a program I try to do make menuconfig needs openssl and states it's not there. What can I do? |
| 23:04.29 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 23:04.35 | abrotman | pontusen: apt-cache search libssl |
| 23:04.39 | *** join/#debian floe__ (n=flo@i59F71ADA.versanet.de) |
| 23:04.45 | stew | pontusen: libssl-dev |
| 23:05.01 | Iridos | jelly: you don't have that? |
| 23:05.12 | *** join/#debian blorp_ (i=mrj@c-71-205-26-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:05.31 | *** join/#debian rbellamy (n=rbellamy@pdpc/supporter/silver/rbellamy) |
| 23:05.31 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 23:05.39 | JordiGH | "The goal of the FOSS herd is to turn everything into homogeneous shit, with no trace of individual character left." |
| 23:05.53 | stew | JordiGH: hai mr. tuomo |
| 23:06.04 | Xenguy | JordiGH: homogenous? heh, go figure |
| 23:06.16 | JordiGH | stew: Well, domo arigato, and don't let the door hit your ass on your way out. |
| 23:06.19 | abrotman | you don't have to be sane to be a decent developer :) |
| 23:06.34 | JordiGH | deRaadt is sane! |
| 23:06.36 | robboplus | apt-get install foss |
| 23:06.36 | JordiGH | (heh) |
| 23:07.01 | JordiGH | Actually, are any of the celebrity developers sane? |
| 23:07.03 | stew | imagine what theo, schilly and tuomo could accomplish together! |
| 23:07.14 | JordiGH | stew: Duh. Homogenous shit. |
| 23:07.16 | Xenguy | JordiGH: oh no, not theo again :-/ |
| 23:07.32 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 23:07.32 | abrotman | stew: a lot of whining emails ? |
| 23:07.46 | jelly-home | apparently that was a selfdestruct button. |
| 23:08.05 | pontusen | stew, thanks, did the trick. :) How about ncurses? Or is that to be pushing it? :| |
| 23:08.15 | stew | pontusen: libncurses5-dev |
| 23:08.16 | abrotman | libncurses5-dev |
| 23:08.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: i have it on mine .. seems to work fine |
| 23:08.44 | Xenguy | I hate to say it, but in general I've come to loathe most of the BSD people I've ever met :P I wish it weren't true, but it seems to be a pretty consistent pattern <shrug> |
| 23:08.56 | pontusen | stew, of course, thanks a bunch ;D |
| 23:09.00 | stew | pontusen: in general, whem compiling, its going to be "libfoo*-dev" |
| 23:09.18 | stew | pontusen: so "apt-cache search -n libfoo dev" is going to find it |
| 23:09.53 | pontusen | stew, wonderful! |
| 23:10.12 | Iridos | jelly-home: what happened? |
| 23:10.24 | *** join/#debian jelly-ho (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 23:10.30 | Iridos | heh |
| 23:10.34 | jelly-home | abrotman, must be the gtk-qt-engine. I can't even start xchat now (brb |
| 23:10.36 | TrueDD | good night all |
| 23:10.48 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 23:10.59 | Iridos | jelly-home? |
| 23:11.02 | stew | stop. showertime |
| 23:11.05 | JordiGH | Xenguy: deRaadt's free driver advocacy is nice. And OpenSSH the GPL vs BSD license holy war is mostly dumb, though (because GPL is so obviously better). |
| 23:11.20 | jelly-home | Iridos: phew |
| 23:11.34 | *** join/#debian johndoevodka (n=johndoe@83-131-52-40.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 23:11.35 | jelly-home | Iridos: xchat barfed and wouldn't start. |
| 23:12.13 | Xenguy | JordiGH: heh, re: GPL, I wish it were as obvious to others as it is to you and I :-) |
| 23:12.22 | Iridos | JordiGH, well "so obviously better" is so obviously only your personal point of view |
| 23:12.34 | Iridos | ...and his :) |
| 23:12.42 | jelly-home | Iridos: I don't know whom to blame, though. I suspect gtk-qt-engine... a GTK engine actually using Qt to draw stuff can't be a good idea. |
| 23:12.44 | JordiGH | Iridos: That's it. You and I are not on speaking terms anymore. |
| 23:12.48 | JordiGH | !start a license war |
| 23:12.48 | dpkg | GPL r0xx0rs! |
| 23:12.50 | Xenguy | Iridos: no, it is absolute truth 8-D |
| 23:12.58 | Guerin | roger cobb |
| 23:13.05 | Guerin | FFS |
| 23:13.18 | Guerin | damn this focus-folows-mouse that I love so much |
| 23:13.37 | jelly-home | GPL is enforcing certain rights, thus making the code less free. :-D |
| 23:13.38 | *** join/#debian Havis (n=Havis@adsl-dyn253.78-98-26.t-com.sk) |
| 23:13.54 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:13.54 | Xenguy | jelly-home: it is a paradox, see... |
| 23:13.56 | Guerin | stupiditude |
| 23:14.04 | Guerin | the CODE is never intended to be free |
| 23:14.14 | Guerin | the freedom is transitive upon the *user* of the code |
| 23:14.25 | johndoevodka | is this channel used for help regarding debian? |
| 23:14.27 | Xenguy | jelly-home: GPL increases freedom by enforcing it; BSD reduces freedom by not protecting it ;-) |
| 23:14.27 | *** join/#debian lordrich_ (n=lordrich@2001:41c8:1:5794:0:0:0:2) |
| 23:14.34 | Guerin | it's not a paradox, it's a stupid misreading of the GPL |
| 23:14.36 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: Yes. Sorry. We're being a tad offtopic right now. |
| 23:14.42 | amphi | johndoevodka: occasionally ;) |
| 23:14.42 | johndoevodka | ah, k |
| 23:14.44 | Iridos | johndoevodka: no, I think for flame-wars about licenses... but ask away anyways |
| 23:15.01 | johndoevodka | well i installed debian few hours ago on my new laptop |
| 23:15.06 | johndoevodka | its dual booting with vista |
| 23:15.09 | johndoevodka | that part is ok |
| 23:15.18 | Xenguy | Guerin: no, it is quite paradoxical if you think it thru |
| 23:15.21 | johndoevodka | but i cant get xwindows to work (or whatever the name is) |
| 23:15.22 | Iridos | another paradox :) |
| 23:15.27 | johndoevodka | nor ethernet |
| 23:15.30 | johndoevodka | nor wireless |
| 23:15.40 | Guerin | Xenguy: you cam make anything seem paradoxiucal if you think too hard about it |
| 23:15.50 | johndoevodka | where do i start? |
| 23:15.55 | amphi | !drxx johndoevodka |
| 23:15.55 | dpkg | johndoevodka: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:16.01 | Iridos | Guerin: like in "this apple tastes well"? :) |
| 23:16.01 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: It's called "X". Wireless will be a bitch to get it working. Ethernet shouldn't be so hard. Let's start working on the X problem. Do you know why it doesn't load? |
| 23:16.02 | Guerin | freedom (as used by the FSF) is a quality which can't be possessed by a non-sentient thing |
| 23:16.09 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: wired is usually simpler to figure out |
| 23:16.10 | abrotman | JordiGH: not all wireless is a bitch |
| 23:16.18 | abrotman | johndoevodka: we need to know the hardware in your box |
| 23:16.22 | Guerin | Iridos: of course. |
| 23:16.23 | Xenguy | Guerin: maybe, but the question 'which is freer, GPL or BSD, will always be a Vexing Question [TM] in any case :-) |
| 23:16.25 | amphi | johndoevodka: what wireless card? some are easy |
| 23:16.33 | Xenguy | BSD' |
| 23:16.43 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, yeah... "Most". :-) |
| 23:16.43 | johndoevodka | ive no idea |
| 23:16.47 | johndoevodka | i think its atheros |
| 23:16.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: mine has always worked without issue |
| 23:16.54 | Guerin | Xenguy: not really. If people discussing it bothered to get their terms of reference in order it would be quite simple. As those at the top levels typically do. |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | johndoevodka: and your wired card ? |
| 23:17.02 | johndoevodka | ive got nvidia geforce 7000m |
| 23:17.07 | JordiGH | abrotman: How many wireless cards have you installed with ndiswrapper? |
| 23:17.17 | johndoevodka | ? |
| 23:17.19 | Guerin | Xenguy: but I'll grant you that it is fodder for uninfoirmed flamewars |
| 23:17.23 | johndoevodka | i dont know anything about them >.< |
| 23:17.28 | Xenguy | Guerin: well I know I'm right anyway ;-P |
| 23:17.39 | abrotman | JordiGH: not a single one |
| 23:17.42 | Iridos | johndoevodka: I guess I'd start with getting some kind of net on it (wired or wireless, whatever is simpler) ... one can well live without X for a while... but life without net is hell :) |
| 23:17.44 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: lspci should list your wireful and hopefully your wireless card. |
| 23:17.49 | JordiGH | abrotman: See, that's why you've never had problems. |
| 23:17.51 | Guerin | Xenguy: that's ultimately the {problem,importantt thing} # choose your own ending |
| 23:18.00 | *** join/#debian Administrator (i=b1f647bb@c-68-51-66-16.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 23:18.01 | abrotman | JordiGH: becuase i'm smart enough to not buy shit hardware ? |
| 23:18.16 | JordiGH | abrotman: and because you don't help friends install Debian on their laptops, I suppose. |
| 23:18.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: or lucky enough to make your own buying decisions |
| 23:18.24 | Iridos | abrotman: no, because you always buy hardware >5 years old ;) |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | JordiGH: i have .. never had issues |
| 23:18.38 | abrotman | Iridos: not remotely true at all |
| 23:18.49 | abrotman | jelly-home: well .. the laptop .. IBM decided for me :) |
| 23:18.50 | Iridos | sorry, 10 then *g* |
| 23:18.59 | JordiGH | abrotman: Well, all my friends here who want me to help them "install Linux" usually have horrible hardware on their laptops, and I always cringe at the thought of making their wireless work. Ergo, bitch. |
| 23:19.02 | johndoevodka | Ethernet controller: nVidia corporation unknown device 054c (rev a2) |
| 23:19.20 | johndoevodka | :-/ |
| 23:19.28 | bier_ | let's drink a beer - SCO is insolvent :D |
| 23:19.33 | c0rnd0g | gah |
| 23:19.35 | JordiGH | nvidia makes ethernet cards? eew! |
| 23:19.42 | c0rnd0g | gee thnx bier_ none for me? :( |
| 23:19.47 | jelly-home | JordiGH: nforce chipset! |
| 23:19.48 | c0rnd0g | i mean i thought we were patnahs |
| 23:19.53 | c0rnd0g | *IN CRIME* |
| 23:19.54 | abrotman | JordiGH: sucks to be you |
| 23:20.01 | johndoevodka | Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01) |
| 23:20.08 | *** join/#debian Ankman_ (n=ankman@bas12-montreal02-1242553590.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 23:20.13 | johndoevodka | looks like i have 2 |
| 23:20.15 | johndoevodka | ups |
| 23:20.17 | johndoevodka | that wireless |
| 23:20.19 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: atheros is usually (always?) madwifi. |
| 23:20.21 | Iridos | yes |
| 23:20.25 | amphi | johndoevodka: madwifi for the wireless; you can install it with module-assistant I believe |
| 23:20.48 | johndoevodka | then i have another problem. i cant mount cdrom, or whatever is needed ... |
| 23:20.50 | *** part/#debian Ankman_ (n=ankman@bas12-montreal02-1242553590.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 23:21.09 | amphi | johndoevodka: perhaps forcedeth for the ethernet? I'm not sure |
| 23:21.19 | johndoevodka | ive downloaded full debian on 3 DVD's |
| 23:21.34 | johndoevodka | it says i have to insert DVD #1 which is already in the comp |
| 23:21.34 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:22.24 | johndoevodka | :( |
| 23:23.02 | jelly-home | amphi: udev would have modprobed it if its pciid matched |
| 23:23.22 | *** part/#debian en1gma (n=abc@12-219-57-250.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:23.42 | johndoevodka | another note: i have very little knowledge about linux in general |
| 23:23.50 | abrotman | stew: run for cover! |
| 23:23.57 | johndoevodka | so speak to me like to a little kid |
| 23:24.06 | *** join/#debian ericx (n=jxtadev@125.120.99.98) |
| 23:24.16 | *** join/#debian Ankman_ (n=ankman@v1408.ncsrv.de) |
| 23:24.22 | jelly-home | and indeed, forcedetch in 2.6.22 has 10DE:054C in the list |
| 23:25.11 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: Oy. That was the wrong thing to say. "speak to me like a little kid". At any rate, is this CD bad? if you type "mount /cdrom", what happens? |
| 23:25.11 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: what kernel version do you have? uname -r |
| 23:25.13 | *** part/#debian Ankman_ (n=ankman@v1408.ncsrv.de) |
| 23:25.52 | johndoevodka | 2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 23:25.57 | simonrvn | johndoevodka: gaga gogo google |
| 23:26.03 | simonrvn | :P |
| 23:26.07 | johndoevodka | mount: special device /dev/hda does not exist |
| 23:26.16 | johndoevodka | ive trying googling for some time |
| 23:26.21 | johndoevodka | then i gave up |
| 23:26.33 | JordiGH | Hm, maybe the Debian installer and Linux are disagreeing on what your cdrom is called. |
| 23:26.52 | johndoevodka | installer? |
| 23:27.07 | johndoevodka | its already installed, atleast the core part |
| 23:27.25 | johndoevodka | maybe i have to mount DVD ? |
| 23:27.32 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: you have connectivity on the windows machine and can burn a cd? |
| 23:27.37 | johndoevodka | yea |
| 23:27.41 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: "cat /etc/fstab" |
| 23:27.49 | jelly-home | I would install and try a newer kernel. |
| 23:28.32 | johndoevodka | /dev/sda5 / ext3 defau;ts,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 23:28.42 | johndoevodka | /dev/sda6 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 23:29.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 819] by debhelper |
| 23:29.01 | johndoevodka | /dev/hda /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
| 23:29.05 | johndoevodka | thats it |
| 23:29.12 | JordiGH | Right, that's your cdrom... |
| 23:29.19 | johndoevodka | oh |
| 23:29.21 | printk | johndoevodka: /dev/hda is your cdrom. mount that |
| 23:29.33 | johndoevodka | mount /dev/hda /cdrom ? |
| 23:29.42 | JordiGH | Just for laughs, is there another CD you could test? Put something else in the drive and do "mount /cdrom". |
| 23:29.50 | johndoevodka | k |
| 23:29.51 | printk | johndoevodka: wherver you want to mount it. right now in /etc/fstab it's setup by default ot mount to /media/cdrom0 |
| 23:30.04 | *** join/#debian donaldo (n=donny@pool-70-20-100-234.pitt.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:30.06 | printk | johndoevodka: and no type "mount /media/cdrom0" |
| 23:30.22 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.56 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: Oh, and make sure the drive is properly closed, etc. ;-) |
| 23:31.36 | johndoevodka | i tried cding to /media/cdrom0 and it appeared empty |
| 23:31.59 | JordiGH | but what did the "mount" command say? That /dev/hda doesn't exist? |
| 23:32.03 | johndoevodka | ye |
| 23:32.05 | *** join/#debian davi (i=davi@57.Red-88-2-100.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:32.13 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: And you have tried more than one CD? |
| 23:32.22 | johndoevodka | not yet, im searching for one now |
| 23:32.52 | *** part/#debian Guilt (n=ca361a78@cpe-74-76-59-19.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:32.58 | johndoevodka | ok ive tried another one, with mout /media/cdrom0 |
| 23:33.03 | johndoevodka | again special device ... |
| 23:33.37 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 23:33.49 | JordiGH | Hrm. |
| 23:33.50 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: just for fun, can you try mount /dev/scd0 /cdrom ? |
| 23:33.59 | johndoevodka | k |
| 23:34.25 | johndoevodka | special device blah blah doesnt exist |
| 23:34.32 | jelly-home | mhm |
| 23:34.45 | JordiGH | Isn't the actual name of the drive somewhere in /proc? |
| 23:34.53 | *** join/#debian WALoeIII (n=WALoeIII@129.170.160.60) |
| 23:35.28 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH karsten: I'm back on now, Im not sure how Im supposed to start these daemons honestly, the ones that arent starting when I do /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start |
| 23:35.42 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: got any usb keys to transfer data from windows to linux? |
| 23:36.15 | *** join/#debian aarcane (n=aarcane@ichigo.aarcane.org) |
| 23:36.18 | johndoevodka | yea |
| 23:36.28 | osmosis | any way to check if my hd is running at sata1.5 or sata3.0 ? |
| 23:36.37 | johndoevodka | should i reboot to windows? |
| 23:37.20 | RichiH | osmosis: try cat /proc/ide/drivers |
| 23:37.27 | *** join/#debian sandman_ (n=sandman@CPE-65-27-76-125.new.res.rr.com) |
| 23:37.27 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: I'm back on now, Im not sure how Im supposed to start these daemons honestly, the ones that arent starting when I do /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server start |
| 23:37.36 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: Hm. I'm not on the machine where my NFS exports are, sorry. |
| 23:37.37 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: no need to, you're ircing form another machine? |
| 23:37.49 | osmosis | RichiH: hmm..its empty |
| 23:37.49 | johndoevodka | its empty |
| 23:38.02 | johndoevodka | yea |
| 23:38.12 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: can you download http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.22-2-k7_2.6.22-4_i386.deb and http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.22-2-k7_2.6.22-4_i386.deb |
| 23:38.14 | RichiH | osmosis: on my laptop with pata, it says ide-disk version 1.18 |
| 23:38.19 | *** join/#debian WALoeIII (n=WALoeIII@129.170.160.60) |
| 23:38.21 | *** join/#debian zophy[] (n=vaio@host-242-6-111-24.midco.net) |
| 23:38.30 | RichiH | osmosis: no idea then, sorry |
| 23:38.33 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: put the two files on an usb disk, and try mounting that in linux |
| 23:38.37 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: thats allright, would you happen to know how to start the relevant daemons though? |
| 23:38.42 | johndoevodka | k |
| 23:38.45 | *** join/#debian polishkoop (n=maka@aaronkupen.rh.rit.edu) |
| 23:38.57 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: or try mounting the usb key first to see if it works at all |
| 23:39.02 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: I remember reading "man exports" and related pages when I set up my NFS mounts. :-/ |
| 23:39.19 | osmosis | RichiH: thanks for trying |
| 23:39.20 | Phoenix92x | ok, Ill try that then, thank you |
| 23:39.31 | RichiH | osmosis: if you feel like it, poke #kernelnewbies on oftc and see what they have to say about yours being empty. smells like a bug, to me |
| 23:39.52 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: And daemons should start by default when you install stuff. How do you know the NFS export daemon isn't running? |
| 23:40.01 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: Not showing up in ps? |
| 23:40.54 | *** join/#debian aplsin_ (n=aplsin@tn-84-218-51-98.dsl.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 23:40.56 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: which daemon is that one? I was referring to lockd, rquotad mountd statd |
| 23:41.11 | polishkoop | I'm using debian etch with the current ATI drivers and an x1950xt and I'm trying to get compiz working. When I try to load up compiz I ge ta GLGZ_SGIX_fbconfig is missing error. Also, when I check to see if AIGLX is running I get that it is, but I get 2 AIGLX errors afterwards that mention reverting to software rendering. I don't know if these problems are interrelated, but I have been having troubles figuring out where to go from here. Anyone |
| 23:41.30 | abrotman | i didn't think fglrx supported aiglx |
| 23:41.40 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: when you plug the usb key, something like "usb-storage: device found at ..." and later a mention of a sdX device should appear in dmesg output |
| 23:41.56 | stew | abrotman: i think you need to use the one from nvidia.info |
| 23:42.06 | *** join/#debian SEcki (n=SEcki@e181087231.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 23:42.10 | johndoevodka | yep |
| 23:42.18 | johndoevodka | i think its sd2 |
| 23:42.19 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 23:42.28 | polishkoop | so is there any way I can get compiz to work? |
| 23:42.55 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: sdb for example. something like sdb: sdb1 or sdb: sdb5 in output? |
| 23:43.11 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: I forget. Sorry. Let me install the nfs-kernel-package and see if I can figure it out with you... |
| 23:43.20 | johndoevodka | no, sorruy |
| 23:43.22 | johndoevodka | its sdc |
| 23:43.23 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: thank you much |
| 23:43.31 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: that's ok. |
| 23:43.37 | *** join/#debian ttyS1 (n=hfly@ool-45786a28.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:43.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: ATI released a new driver just a day or two ago, which adds support for some new cards, and I think it adds AIGLX support too |
| 23:43.45 | kspath | stew: and? |
| 23:43.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: yay! |
| 23:44.08 | johndoevodka | how do i mount it? |
| 23:44.21 | kspath | !abrotping |
| 23:44.22 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: Right, mountd. That's the NFS daemon that should be running. It's not? |
| 23:44.24 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: mount /dev/sdcX /mnt for example |
| 23:44.28 | stew | kspath: uhh, there was a cube, winders were wobbly, what can i say? |
| 23:44.31 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: Also, nfsd. |
| 23:44.31 | Wyzard | abrotman: along with the hardware specs they're also releasing, which are even more important because they'll enable a good free driver |
| 23:44.42 | abrotman | Wyzard: i saw the specs |
| 23:44.46 | polishkoop | I have the newest ati linux driver available |
| 23:44.49 | abrotman | i tried to write a driver .. didn't work well |
| 23:44.50 | kspath | stew: hehehe |
| 23:44.51 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:44.53 | johndoevodka | it works :) |
| 23:44.54 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 23:44.58 | polishkoop | but im still getting a no go with compiz / aiglx |
| 23:44.58 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: In fact, apt-get --reinstall nfs-kernel-server, you don't see messages there about nfsd and mountd starting up? |
| 23:45.06 | Phoenix92x | ps aux | grep mountd yields nothing |
| 23:45.07 | stew | kspath: tritium now has a gnome-panel working! |
| 23:45.12 | JordiGH | Er, apt-get --reinstall install nfs-kernel-server |
| 23:45.17 | stew | which means i can actually see what time it is |
| 23:45.18 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: great. now do eject /dev/sdc1 (or sdc5,whatever it is) |
| 23:45.30 | kspath | stew: cool, does kicker and/or rox work with it? |
| 23:45.37 | Nyle | polishkoop: fglrx doesn't suppor composite or AIGLX |
| 23:45.47 | polishkoop | Nyle: so is there any way I can get compiz working? |
| 23:45.49 | johndoevodka | it gives me some error |
| 23:45.54 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: if there's no eject command, do "umount /dev/sdc1" and sync |
| 23:45.57 | abrotman | polishkoop: not with the fglrx in etch |
| 23:45.58 | Phoenix92x | 'apt-get --reinstall nfs-kernel-server' tells me 'E: Invalid operation nfs-kernel-server |
| 23:45.59 | Nyle | polishkoop: you're out of luck on that. You can try with Xgl perhaps |
| 23:46.04 | stew | kspath: well. kicker was for some reason useless. i dunno what rox is |
| 23:46.13 | kspath | stew: a wall clock can tell you the time, but yeah I use the clock in panel also |
| 23:46.16 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: Sorry, reinstall. |
| 23:46.16 | abrotman | rox is an xfce thing i think |
| 23:46.26 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: sorry, I forgot the "install" command. |
| 23:46.30 | Phoenix92x | k |
| 23:46.30 | kspath | abrotman: no |
| 23:46.31 | Nyle | polishkoop: you should wait until end of october at the latest, as ATI has promised aiglx and other 3d support in their drivers new version |
| 23:46.34 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: the unplug it, download those debs on windows and put them on the key. |
| 23:46.42 | abrotman | !info rox etch |
| 23:46.45 | kspath | abrotman: rox-filer is something else |
| 23:46.47 | stew | as it turns out, putting a clock in a dock area is easier than hanging a clock on the wall |
| 23:46.48 | Phoenix92x | apt-get reinstall nfs-kernel-server? |
| 23:46.49 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:46.52 | Nyle | polishkoop: /msg dpkg xgl |
| 23:46.55 | polishkoop | Nyle: alright, I think I may do that. if that turns out to be true, ill be able to work with aiglx and compiz when that driver get srleeased? |
| 23:47.06 | Wyzard | Nyle: I believe they very recently released a new driver which does |
| 23:47.15 | Nyle | Wyzard: already? |
| 23:47.21 | jelly-home | polishkoop: that's supposed to be the plan, yes. |
| 23:47.34 | Nyle | Wyzard: if you can hook me up with a link that would be awesome |
| 23:47.40 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: "apt-get --reinstall install nfs-kernel-server". |
| 23:47.44 | kspath | stew: I do not like looking away from screen at the wall and I do not always have a shell prompt there to type date so having a dockapp or panel applet clock is nice |
| 23:47.49 | polishkoop | alright, I guess i can wait. I'm not really in a huge rush for it, i just needed something to cross off of my to do list. thanks guys. |
| 23:47.54 | *** join/#debian kuyky (n=kuyky@a81-84-127-196.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 23:47.58 | ttyS1 | I'm having trouble getting my sound card to work. this is what from lspci: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
| 23:47.58 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: ok its running |
| 23:48.00 | jelly-home | Wyzard: the september driver doesn't support aiglx yet, see phoronix.com. |
| 23:48.07 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: The daemon? |
| 23:48.08 | Wyzard | Nyle: Nevermind, looks like I misread: AIGLX will be supported in the *next* driver, due next month |
| 23:48.33 | pipeline | Wyzard: of course, by then, we'll have the rudiments of an open source driver, and fglrx will be less and less relevant :) |
| 23:48.43 | kspath | stew: I put a link on my site to your tritium page |
| 23:48.48 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: the reinstall. ok it reinstalled, stopping nfs kernel daemon mountd nfsd. currently says starting nfsd |
| 23:48.51 | Nyle | xorg-driver-avivo? |
| 23:48.52 | *** join/#debian benje__ (n=benje@cereli.org) |
| 23:48.55 | Wyzard | pipeline: I don't think they've released the specs for the 3D parts yet |
| 23:48.59 | jelly-home | pipeline: yeah, like maybe 2d working in an alpha-quality driver |
| 23:48.59 | *** join/#debian paples (n=paples@186.Red-88-8-194.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:49.13 | kspath | stew: not that my site is that great but every link out there to tritium will get it noticed more |
| 23:49.15 | *** part/#debian polishkoop (n=maka@aaronkupen.rh.rit.edu) |
| 23:49.19 | stew | kspath: dankon |
| 23:49.20 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: And it's taking more than an instant at "starting nfsd"? |
| 23:49.44 | kspath | stew: ? |
| 23:49.46 | abrotman | stew: did you uh .. send an email to the ion3 developer list? :) |
| 23:49.48 | Phoenix92x | ya |
| 23:49.54 | Phoenix92x | its still there actually |
| 23:49.55 | Nyle | stew: someone stole my lisence plates |
| 23:49.58 | Phoenix92x | oh |
| 23:49.59 | Phoenix92x | its done |
| 23:50.00 | kspath | stew: I LOVE ion3 |
| 23:50.08 | Nyle | license |
| 23:50.15 | Phoenix92x | just did a restart on it |
| 23:50.18 | Phoenix92x | to see how long it takes to come up |
| 23:50.23 | Phoenix92x | nfsd that is |
| 23:50.41 | JordiGH | That's weird. It comes up instantly on mine. |
| 23:50.44 | *** join/#debian buscon (n=marcello@host-84-220-90-252.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:50.52 | Phoenix92x | btw when it says "starting nfs kernel daemon: it only lists nfsd, but when I stop it it lists stopping both mountd and nfsd |
| 23:50.53 | kspath | stew: you might get a vanity license plate that says tritium wm |
| 23:51.12 | jelly-home | "stewm" :-) |
| 23:51.16 | johndoevodka | ok what now |
| 23:51.16 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:51.21 | johndoevodka | its mounted on debian |
| 23:51.21 | stew | Nyle: bummer |
| 23:51.34 | stew | jelly-home: that's what my wife wants me to name it :) |
| 23:51.45 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: copy the files to your home. |
| 23:51.47 | JordiGH | stew: Your wife also uses Debian? |
| 23:51.52 | JordiGH | Neato. |
| 23:51.57 | stew | JordiGH: yeah, she uses tritium |
| 23:52.02 | Phoenix92x | just now finished starting |
| 23:52.18 | stew | JordiGH: in fact, she is my only confirmed user |
| 23:52.28 | kspath | stew: hehehe |
| 23:52.35 | johndoevodka | done |
| 23:52.38 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: while it's mounted, also do dmesg > /mnt/dmesg; lspci -n > /mnt/lspci-n; lspci > /mnt/lspci; lsmod > /mnt/lsmod ;-) |
| 23:52.49 | stew | http://vireo.org/tmp/tritium.png is proof that i actually have a gnome-panel running :) |
| 23:53.05 | kspath | stew: that is how all projects start out unless they are forked from a popular dead development |
| 23:53.09 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: then umount it, sync, unplug |
| 23:53.42 | stew | kspath: it was good. my wife really knows how to demand features in a way that gets them acutally implemented |
| 23:53.51 | abrotman | do this or else! |
| 23:53.55 | stew | dinnertime |
| 23:54.04 | johndoevodka | how do i sync? |
| 23:54.13 | JordiGH | stew: Y'know, if you get it up in experimental, I might try out this project of yours. |
| 23:54.28 | johndoevodka | just sync ... |
| 23:54.30 | johndoevodka | k |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | stew: going to the lighthouse ? |
| 23:54.31 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: that's a command |
| 23:54.58 | stew | abrotman: nope |
| 23:55.02 | kspath | stew: wow, tritium looks nice |
| 23:55.03 | abrotman | oh |
| 23:55.04 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: anyway, install the fresh kernel. dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.22*deb |
| 23:55.15 | *** join/#debian khaije1 (i=d863b932@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-fec24b3392e87045) |
| 23:55.33 | streuner | what the hell is tritium? |
| 23:55.41 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: what do you suggest I do next? |
| 23:55.50 | johndoevodka | its done |
| 23:56.05 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: Well, are the daemons running or not? |
| 23:56.20 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: run update-grub if the installation didn't do it, reboot the new kernel. |
| 23:56.20 | abrotman | streuner: read some backscroll |
| 23:56.36 | streuner | abrotman: i just switched to #debian |
| 23:56.41 | kspath | streuner: tritium wm |
| 23:56.50 | streuner | hm |
| 23:56.51 | abrotman | streuner: see stew's blog linked from planet.d.n |
| 23:56.59 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: look for "eth0" in output of ifconfig after reboot. |
| 23:57.12 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: or possibly eth some other number |
| 23:57.21 | kspath | streuner: vireo.org/stew/blog/tritium I think |
| 23:57.25 | johndoevodka | i have multiple choices now in grub |
| 23:57.34 | kspath | streuner: maybe a tilde before stew |
| 23:57.42 | jelly-home | indeed. choose the one you just installed |
| 23:57.52 | jelly-home | should be the first option |
| 23:57.54 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: this is where Im kind of confused, because doing ps aux | grep nfsd and mountd dont show me anything |
| 23:57.57 | johndoevodka | whats the (single-user mode) ? |
| 23:58.05 | Phoenix92x | they only show grep nfsd and grep mountd as results |
| 23:58.08 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: a sort of recovery console |
| 23:58.17 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: don't use it now. |
| 23:58.36 | johndoevodka | ok |
| 23:58.41 | johndoevodka | its doing something now |
| 23:58.57 | jelly-home | it's called "booting"? |
| 23:59.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 809] by debhelper |
| 23:59.04 | johndoevodka | yea :P |
| 23:59.11 | johndoevodka | but last time it booted faster |
| 23:59.26 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: You've messed around with nfs config files, right? |
| 23:59.28 | johndoevodka | so that whats confusing me |
| 23:59.45 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: did it stop scrolling the output? |
| 23:59.52 | Phoenix92x | only ones I know of are /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny |
| 23:59.54 | johndoevodka | yes, but i didnt get the console |
