| 00:00.12 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: I'm quite baffled that this isn't working. |
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| 00:00.23 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: that might be bad. can you type in the say the last line or two |
| 00:00.39 | johndoevodka | PCI: bridge: 0000:00:0d.0 |
| 00:00.43 | johndoevodka | io window: disabled. |
| 00:00.44 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: are mountd and nfsd the only deamons I need running? |
| 00:00.51 | johndoevodka | mem window: f22000000-f22fffff |
| 00:00.51 | Phoenix92x | I thought i needed things like rquotad etc? |
| 00:00.56 | johndoevodka | prefetch window: disabled. |
| 00:01.03 | johndoevodka | net: registered protocol family 2 |
| 00:01.12 | johndoevodka | last 5 lines |
| 00:01.22 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: There's seemingly also a rpc.mountd daemon. |
| 00:01.37 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH, ya no idea what that even is |
| 00:01.41 | Phoenix92x | there's a ton of rpc.* daemons |
| 00:01.49 | Phoenix92x | one second, let me show you the guide I was using to set this up |
| 00:01.54 | JordiGH | Guide? |
| 00:02.04 | Phoenix92x | http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s03.html |
| 00:02.12 | JordiGH | There's no need for a guide. Debian's manpages are quite enough. |
| 00:02.50 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: no clue. if the usb key still in? try rebooting once again :-) |
| 00:02.52 | johndoevodka | it continued after i pressed CTRL + C, CTRL+BREAK, CTRL+ALT+DEL |
| 00:03.04 | johndoevodka | now it stopped again |
| 00:03.05 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: Are you on a secure network? You shouldn't be messing with hosts.* if you are. |
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| 00:03.21 | johndoevodka | its moving again |
| 00:03.29 | Phoenix92x | the machine I'm putting this on has a forward facing IP address |
| 00:03.38 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: did it say "Switching to runlevel 6" after you did ctrl-alt-del? |
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| 00:03.50 | Phoenix92x | also right now just for testing I have hosts.allow and hosts.deny renamed to hosts.allow.bak and hosts.deny.bak |
| 00:03.53 | johndoevodka | i didnt see, but i think not |
| 00:03.55 | Phoenix92x | so they're out of the picture entirely |
| 00:04.20 | johndoevodka | ok its up |
| 00:04.54 | johndoevodka | it said "Password: eth1: no IPV6 routers present" |
| 00:05.07 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: ignore the eth1 bit |
| 00:05.23 | johndoevodka | k, im listening |
| 00:05.48 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: log in, try /sbin/ifconfig and see if there are any ethX devices in the output |
| 00:06.18 | johndoevodka | i think it sucedeed mounting cdrom |
| 00:06.18 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: just did the mount command again with the -v flag |
| 00:06.22 | johndoevodka | now its doing something with wth |
| 00:06.24 | johndoevodka | eth |
| 00:06.30 | Phoenix92x | "mount to NFS server (ip addy) failed." |
| 00:06.38 | Phoenix92x | "RPC Error: 15 (Program not registered" |
| 00:06.59 | johndoevodka | cdrom works |
| 00:07.04 | johndoevodka | dunno why |
| 00:07.10 | johndoevodka | :) |
| 00:07.14 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: newer kernel! :-) |
| 00:07.44 | johndoevodka | :D |
| 00:07.51 | johndoevodka | i guess the old one was buggy |
| 00:08.12 | jelly-home | if you have really new hardware (<= 6-12 months), support can be nonexistent or flaky |
| 00:08.32 | johndoevodka | hehe |
| 00:08.41 | johndoevodka | its in those limits |
| 00:08.44 | johndoevodka | i think |
| 00:09.20 | johndoevodka | i rebooted it because i catted /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:09.26 | johndoevodka | it gave me weird letters |
| 00:09.32 | johndoevodka | now its taking ages again |
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| 00:10.00 | johndoevodka | iskon :D |
| 00:10.02 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: does that offer any clues? Im looking into myself as well |
| 00:10.04 | johndoevodka | pa da si prijatelju XD |
| 00:10.14 | jelly-ho | eh |
| 00:11.06 | JordiGH | Phoenix92x: I'm engaged with something else right now. |
| 00:11.12 | johndoevodka | lol |
| 00:11.13 | Phoenix92x | JordiGH: ok |
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| 00:11.25 | Drk_Guy | !nvidia |
| 00:11.26 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 00:11.43 | jelly-home | karsten: reserved for irc networks with nick length limits. Not whoring forjust anyone. |
| 00:12.10 | johndoevodka | it stopped again at the same part |
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| 00:12.22 | johndoevodka | ACPI: bus type pnp registered |
| 00:12.51 | johndoevodka | trebao sam stisnuti power key |
| 00:12.55 | johndoevodka | nastavio je |
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| 00:13.19 | jelly-home | people will frown upon non-english usage, even tho I understand it ;-) |
| 00:13.24 | johndoevodka | :) |
| 00:13.25 | johndoevodka | ok |
| 00:13.41 | karsten | jelly-home: Feh! |
| 00:13.51 | johndoevodka | it likes stopping at some parts |
| 00:13.55 | johndoevodka | during boot time |
| 00:14.20 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: not to worry about it, as long as it continues by itself |
| 00:14.25 | johndoevodka | it doesnt |
| 00:14.31 | johndoevodka | i have to push it in the right direction |
| 00:14.39 | johndoevodka | (press the power button) |
| 00:14.49 | jelly-home | that helps? |
| 00:14.54 | johndoevodka | yea |
| 00:15.00 | jelly-home | acpi problems |
| 00:15.00 | johndoevodka | it continues on |
| 00:15.04 | jelly-home | is it a laptop? |
| 00:15.06 | johndoevodka | yes |
| 00:15.22 | johndoevodka | could the cause of the problems be amd64 proccessor? |
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| 00:15.29 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 00:15.37 | johndoevodka | with 386 debian |
| 00:15.42 | jelly-home | no |
| 00:15.47 | johndoevodka | whew |
| 00:15.58 | johndoevodka | so i386 works on 64 bit proccessors |
| 00:16.10 | Nihill | yerp |
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| 00:16.27 | johndoevodka | what next |
| 00:16.32 | johndoevodka | i have cdrom access ^^ |
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| 00:16.38 | fas3r | what the advantage to use --enable-share with ./configure ? |
| 00:16.54 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: do you have any ethX in ifconfig output? |
| 00:17.00 | johndoevodka | lemme see |
| 00:17.09 | johndoevodka | eth1 |
| 00:17.13 | johndoevodka | and lo |
| 00:17.30 | jelly-home | it's probably the wired ethernet. |
| 00:17.34 | johndoevodka | im able to ping google |
| 00:17.37 | johndoevodka | working :-) |
| 00:17.51 | johndoevodka | it was the outdated kernel that was causing the problems ...... |
| 00:18.22 | jelly-home | yeah, but this one doesn't boot very well |
| 00:18.27 | johndoevodka | yea |
| 00:18.34 | fas3r | it shared library but what significate ? |
| 00:18.36 | Phoenix92x | how do I figure out which version of nfs I'm running? |
| 00:18.38 | johndoevodka | do you get the same problems or is it only me? |
| 00:18.44 | Phoenix92x | I dont know if its 3 or 4 |
| 00:19.05 | johndoevodka | what was the other file btw ? |
| 00:19.27 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: these issues depend a lot of things, the model, the hardware, version of bios |
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| 00:19.40 | johndoevodka | so its not uncommon |
| 00:20.01 | fas3r | it add something in ld.so.conf or copy lib in /usr/lib ? if it's possible you explain me this ... :( |
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| 00:20.34 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: you can try flashing the bios if the vendor has a newer version available, might help |
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| 00:21.01 | johndoevodka | kk |
| 00:21.59 | johndoevodka | my connection goes up and down randomly |
| 00:23.43 | karsten | johndoevodka: I can solve your problem. |
| 00:23.51 | karsten | johndoevodka: Exhaust its entropy. |
| 00:23.59 | karsten | johndoevodka: It will then go up and down deterministically. |
| 00:24.11 | johndoevodka | eh |
| 00:24.31 | johndoevodka | good ol humor eh |
| 00:24.38 | karsten | johndoevodka: My slogan: useless solutions to impossible problems ;-) |
| 00:25.04 | johndoevodka | hahaah |
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| 00:26.45 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: you could try some of the kernel options for turning acpi off. or build the latest pre-release kernel and hope more things are fixed |
| 00:27.21 | johndoevodka | nah, its ok |
| 00:27.28 | johndoevodka | it seems to be working semi-ok |
| 00:27.34 | johndoevodka | that fine by me |
| 00:28.46 | jelly-home | basically if you want to run linux seamlessly you need to first investigate the hardware, then buy |
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| 00:29.03 | johndoevodka | ? |
| 00:29.16 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: Buy hardware for the software. |
| 00:29.21 | johndoevodka | lol |
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| 00:29.40 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: No, it's not a joke. You buy hardware for the software. You investigate who has free drivers, and that's what you buy. |
| 00:29.44 | jelly-home | google for eg. model number and lspci, see what other people that have it say about it |
| 00:30.02 | johndoevodka | thats kinda stupid |
| 00:30.06 | johndoevodka | sell drivers |
| 00:30.16 | johndoevodka | i thought people sold hardware |
| 00:30.26 | johndoevodka | and bundled drivers with it |
| 00:30.26 | jelly-home | no, that's the only way to be reasonably sure your hw will work well |
| 00:30.30 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: Oh, they don't usually sell drivers. They just don't give out libre drivers. |
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| 00:30.36 | jelly-home | yeah, drivers for windows. |
| 00:31.04 | JordiGH | And non-free drivers. You aren't free to understand how they work. |
| 00:31.27 | jelly-home | JordiGH: in some countries you're free to reveng! |
| 00:31.55 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Wanna toilet-paper Ballmer's home? Or at least toss eggs at his Windows? |
| 00:32.16 | johndoevodka | :D |
| 00:32.17 | jelly-home | JordiGH: what a waste of good eggs |
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| 00:33.07 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: but you may end up buying a thinkpad which costs 25% more than a brand X machine with similar specs |
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| 00:33.47 | JordiGH | A ThinkPad which will work just as you want it, that won't spy on you, that can be easily updated forever, and that runs Emacs. |
| 00:33.56 | johndoevodka | :D |
| 00:34.00 | JordiGH | (well, the last bit is important for me, at least.) |
| 00:34.01 | johndoevodka | i like the last part |
| 00:34.08 | jelly-home | JordiGH: um, it has a TPM chip. |
| 00:34.18 | DawnLight | i've downloaded a font. .ttf format. how does thing work? where do i put it? |
| 00:34.22 | Palish | Heya! I'm researching a little project, and I have a quick question. I'm trying to run an untrusted code file in a way where no matter what they do, the code can't access (read or write) data above the directory it resides in, and they can't create more than 50MB on the harddrive. Anyone have any tips for the direction I should go? |
| 00:34.24 | johndoevodka | ive just "aptitude install emacs" |
| 00:34.47 | johndoevodka | create seperate disk partition |
| 00:34.47 | Palish | I also need to turn off its ability to open connections, too. |
| 00:34.52 | Palish | okay |
| 00:34.52 | johndoevodka | and chmod |
| 00:35.04 | jelly-home | Palish: some sort of virtualization |
| 00:35.53 | johndoevodka | IBM ThinkPads have a reputation for generally being solidly built, dependable, and innovative. |
| 00:35.58 | johndoevodka | so thats a thinkpad |
| 00:35.58 | Palish | Really? There's no way to say.. Make the program run as a different user, then say they can't navigate above their directory? |
| 00:36.40 | jelly-home | Palish: a chroot can take care of path access restrictions. Not sure about network access though |
| 00:37.25 | sdflw | how do i go back to a previous kernel? my sound stop working with this last kernel update |
| 00:37.53 | jelly-home | Palish: more fine-grained permissions on a per-user or per-app basis could be attained with selinux ... it's quite complex though |
| 00:37.57 | johndoevodka | install the previous version? |
| 00:38.06 | sdflw | apt-get install last kernerl? |
| 00:38.12 | JordiGH | Palish: Unplug your computer and run the program as an ordinary user. The worst it can do is trash its own home directory. Who cares if it reads stuff if it can't access the network? |
| 00:38.21 | JordiGH | Palish: Unplug your computer from the network, that is. |
| 00:38.34 | Palish | jelly-home: Can't they still still read files above their own directory with that? |
| 00:38.59 | jelly-home | Palish: they theoretically can't access anything outside of chroot |
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| 00:39.07 | Palish | JordiGH: Because the computer isn't mine.. It's an amazon EC2 instance. And it will 1) receive an untrusted code file. 2) run it as a different user, restricted to a specific directory. 3) grab the results, 4) store it to S3 |
| 00:39.20 | Palish | so it has the S3 access identifiers on disk.. which they need to not be able to get at. |
| 00:39.29 | Palish | that's the only sensitive information on there, though. |
| 00:39.31 | jelly-home | Palish: so you _already_ use virtual machines :-) |
| 00:39.39 | johndoevodka | how do i access options in emacs in text mode? |
| 00:39.52 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: Options? |
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| 00:40.04 | jelly-home | the menu, I guess |
| 00:40.06 | johndoevodka | file, edit, options, buffers, ... |
| 00:40.07 | johndoevodka | yea |
| 00:40.09 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: Emacs doesn't have many command-line flags. "man emacs" should give them to you. |
| 00:40.09 | johndoevodka | the menu |
| 00:40.18 | JordiGH | C-x C-f to open a file. |
| 00:40.26 | JordiGH | C-x C-s to save. |
| 00:40.28 | JordiGH | Etc. |
| 00:40.28 | johndoevodka | i wanna change indentation |
| 00:40.34 | JordiGH | Change mode. |
| 00:40.38 | johndoevodka | and parent brace matching |
| 00:40.51 | Palish | jelly-home: Yeah, hehe, but the program has to run on the same instance that delivers the results to S3. But the running program shouldn't, for example, be able to DDoS a website, or be able to steal my AWS access credentials |
| 00:40.52 | jelly-home | johndoevodka: well, since your machine is sorta working now, you could try installing / configuring X |
| 00:41.01 | johndoevodka | yea, thanks mate |
| 00:41.14 | johndoevodka | ill buy you a beer some day :-) |
| 00:41.38 | JordiGH | Beer is nice, but "thanks" is usually sufficient. |
| 00:41.51 | johndoevodka | thank you jordi aswell |
| 00:42.20 | JordiGH | Oh, I wasn't asking for thanks. I don't think I was very helpful. |
| 00:42.22 | jelly-home | Palish: chroot + some way to disable network (that I'm not aware of) |
| 00:42.26 | johndoevodka | o.O, richard stallman wrote emacs |
| 00:42.31 | johndoevodka | didnt know that one |
| 00:42.34 | JordiGH | johndoevodka: And many others. |
| 00:42.47 | JordiGH | Actually, rms has stepped down as Emacs lead developer after release 22. |
| 00:42.55 | Palish | okay.. jelly-home, on debian, when you make a new user, does its chroot default to /home/username? Because if it does, even as a brand new user I can still navigate to / |
| 00:43.01 | Palish | I can't change anything, but I *can* read things. |
| 00:43.29 | jelly-home | Palish: you'd have to set up the chroot environment yourself, it's not plug-and-play |
| 00:43.38 | JordiGH | No, it doesn't chroot to /home/username. That would be silly. You wouldn't be able to do anything at all if you chrooted to your home directory. |
| 00:43.58 | jelly-home | Palish: and you're right, by default there is no chroot for normal users. |
| 00:44.19 | Palish | Oh.. erm.. if you can't do anything at all when you chroot to your home directory, doesn't that mean you can't do anything at all if you chroot to anything except / ? |
| 00:44.40 | JordiGH | Palish: You have to chroot to a directory that has *some* binaries. |
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| 00:44.52 | jelly-home | Palish: you can access only those files that are inside the chroot |
| 00:44.58 | JordiGH | Palish: And probably you'll want some libraries too. |
| 00:45.42 | jelly-home | Palish: so you set up an enviroment that has only those files needed to run your code |
| 00:46.08 | JordiGH | Btw, how is "chroot" pronounced. I get all Frenchy and say "shroot" myself. |
| 00:46.12 | Palish | I see.. ick. Right. I'm just thinking of little things that won't be avilable to assist in setting up that environment (for example, apt-get install) |
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| 00:46.35 | jelly-home | Palish: apt-cache search chroot? :-) |
| 00:46.40 | JordiGH | Palish: Actually, you *can* do a Debian chroot. It's not trivial, though. |
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| 00:47.19 | jelly-home | JordiGH: but it almost is: debootstrap. |
| 00:48.04 | jelly-home | Palish: i see at least two apps meant to do "run X in a chroot" in that search |
| 00:48.17 | Palish | Thanks, that gave me a lot to chew on.. Ideally I'd like to be able to run an untrustworthy Python or Ruby file also and get the results.. Not sure if that's feasable though. |
| 00:48.22 | jelly-home | (not X X, X as a placeholder) |
| 00:48.25 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 00:48.43 | JordiGH | Untrustworthy Python? Can't you just inspect its source? |
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| 00:49.03 | JordiGH | jelly-home: For a second, I thought you were talking about porn. |
| 00:49.07 | Palish | that is, allow a user to either A) execute a ruby program or B) execute a python program or C) execute a C++ program, all without being able to destroy anything |
| 00:49.29 | JordiGH | Palish: You'd also have to make sure the user can't hog resources. |
| 00:49.49 | Palish | But wait wait.. The *only* data I need to protect is my amazon AWS key. It's like 64 characters. Can I just create a new partition, put the text file there that has it, say "only the watchdog user can access that partition", then make the untrusted code run as any other user? |
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| 00:50.12 | Palish | JordiGH: Right.. I heard something about a user group quota I'm looking into, to limit hard drive usage |
| 00:50.15 | jelly-home | Palish: that's what chroots are all about. if chroot is not contained enough, you can still use something like vserver or openvz |
| 00:50.22 | JordiGH | Palish: The ##c++ channel has a bot that runs whatever code you feed it. Unfortunately, I think it currently relies on security through obscurity, so they might not tell you how they set it up. I haven't been able to break it, despite my best efforts. :-/ |
| 00:50.42 | Palish | JordiGH: cool! |
| 00:50.56 | Palish | jelly-home: Well, I mean.. I can sidestep all that mess if I can just store the access key somewhere secure |
| 00:51.09 | Palish | so all I need to do is stick it just *one* place that any regular user doesn't have access to |
| 00:51.16 | Palish | but that a specific watchdog user does |
| 00:51.37 | jelly-home | Palish: put in on a partition and umount it. now the user needs to know a root exploit. |
| 00:51.38 | Palish | (and the watchdog user launches the untrusted code file, but the untrusted code file runs as the user "subserviant") |
| 00:51.46 | Palish | awesome. |
| 00:51.53 | Palish | So if watchdog is root, only it can mount/unmount things |
| 00:52.30 | Palish | so if I put the secret stuff on a partition and unmount it, then run the program, then make sure it's terminated and re-mount it, I should be set |
| 00:52.30 | jelly-home | by default. yes. |
| 00:52.34 | Guerin | that sounds dangerous |
| 00:52.34 | johndoevodka | whats a module assistant actually? |
| 00:52.49 | Guerin | johndoevodka: a shell script |
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| 00:53.27 | john666 | hahaha |
| 00:53.33 | Palish | jelly-home: Is there a way to be 100% sure that all programs spawned as user "subserviant" are killed before proceeding? |
| 00:53.53 | jelly-home | Palish: pkill -9 -u UID |
| 00:54.29 | Palish | Great. I think I'm set then.. I just have to find a way to limit the amount of drive space they can consume |
| 00:54.36 | jelly-home | Palish: quotas |
| 00:54.37 | Palish | (and not be able to open a socket) |
| 00:54.45 | jelly-home | Palish: dunno 'bout that ;-) |
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| 00:55.08 | Palish | hehe. Thanks for everything, this is pretty exciting. |
| 00:55.13 | jelly-home | Palish: but if you don't trust them, the safest way would be to run their code in a vm. |
| 00:55.43 | jelly-home | anything running on the same machine is more dangerous |
| 00:55.59 | Palish | jelly-home: Well, can you give a parition a specific name? |
| 00:56.16 | jelly-home | Palish: sorry, I'm not following |
| 00:56.18 | john666 | good night guys, thanks for all the help :) |
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| 00:56.43 | juwor | hi every one |
| 00:56.48 | JordiGH | sup. |
| 00:57.18 | juwor | i had an apahce 2 but the folder /var/www i dont haved |
| 00:57.26 | Palish | Okay, so the danger is the untrusted code steals the S3 access key. It's secure because it's on a separate parition, unmounted. So the danger is if they get root privilages, they can re-mount the drive. I was thinking if I could somehow name the partition really obscurely, then I could keep it encrypted in memory in the watchdog program. So even if they get root.. |
| 00:57.35 | Palish | they'd still have to analyze the memory and know where to look. Just as an extra layer of security. |
| 00:57.36 | juwor | ho knows wy? |
| 00:57.50 | jelly-home | Palish: if they have root, they can do _anything_. |
| 00:57.53 | Palish | But, that's probably silly because you can probably list all the partitions. |
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| 00:58.12 | jelly-home | Palish: do you have to keep the key on the same machine? |
| 00:58.34 | jelly-home | no, forget that |
| 00:58.51 | Palish | Unfortunately.. Even if I sent it remotely, they could just replicate however the watchdog program gets it |
| 00:59.20 | Palish | now.. I could have the watchdog program store a crypt key in memory |
| 00:59.33 | Palish | before the untrusted code starts |
| 00:59.55 | jelly-home | how do you figure out when did the untrusted code finish its job? |
| 01:00.10 | juwor | where i can get more style desktops for my debian?? |
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| 01:00.14 | Palish | I'll just make the watchdog program terminate all processes spawned by subserviant after 30 seconds. |
| 01:00.23 | Palish | But it will use named pipes to deliver results |
| 01:00.41 | DawnLight | should i put .ttf that i've downloaded into /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc? |
| 01:00.44 | Palish | So either 30 seconds, or after it writes to the named pipe. |
| 01:01.03 | jelly-home | Palish: well, the least I woulddo is use a chroot to run the code. |
| 01:01.10 | dalias | dawnlight, no |
| 01:01.33 | dalias | if you're just a single user, easiest way to install non-.deb fonts is to put them in a ~/.fonts/ directory |
| 01:01.37 | dalias | (make it if it doesn't exist) |
| 01:01.40 | juwor | where i can get more style desktops for my debian?? |
| 01:01.47 | DawnLight | dalias: my mother's name is dalia. thanks! |
| 01:01.51 | Palish | jelly-home: Then subserviant wouldn't be able to use anything preinstalled (like python, ruby, etc). It'd be really nice to set up the system into a state with all that, then say "okay go ahead and use all these libraries", but they can only write to one folder. |
| 01:01.56 | dalias | if you need to install fonts global for multi-user, they belong somewhere under /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ |
| 01:02.13 | jelly-home | Palish: so put whatever they need into the chroot. |
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| 01:02.47 | dalias | dawnlight, :) |
| 01:03.27 | DawnLight | i need to rehash something?, dalias? |
| 01:03.30 | Palish | hmm.. Oh. So you can say "This user has read/execute access under /, has write access under /home/subserviant, but definitely can't read /foo/secret"? |
| 01:03.35 | Palish | using chroot |
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| 01:03.50 | dalias | dawnlight, they should automatically show up in programs you start after installing the font |
| 01:04.00 | JordiGH | juwor: For kde, you can browse kde-look.org. There is the bootsplash Debian packages that can prettify the boot process. For Gnome, I imagine people must put up sites for decoration too. |
| 01:04.02 | dalias | afaik most programs don't rescan for fonts until they're restarted |
| 01:04.20 | jelly-home | Palish: chroot is a whole separate filesystem namespace. |
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| 01:04.33 | juwor | i use gnome |
| 01:04.47 | dalias | also this method of installation will only work for programs that use the modern xft/fontconfig system of fonts (with support for opentype, antialiasing, subpixel, etc) |
| 01:05.03 | dalias | it won't work for old old X apps that use the core x fonts system |
| 01:05.04 | Palish | jelly-home: Okay. So I could basically clone the current state of debian into the chroot? |
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| 01:05.14 | Palish | then SSH into the chroot and set things up.. |
| 01:05.26 | Palish | well, chroot to it and set things up that is. |
| 01:05.27 | dalias | (but truetype fonts are probably not a good idea for such apps anyway..) |
| 01:05.47 | dalias | palish, might be a bit of overkill :P |
| 01:05.54 | dalias | btw if you want to make it REALLY secure... |
| 01:05.59 | dalias | don't just use chroot |
| 01:06.05 | DawnLight | it works dalias! thanks! |
| 01:06.13 | jelly-home | Palish: look at debootstrap. you can put for example a base debian stable install + sshd configured on a custom port + a user + whatever all in /var/local/unsafe-chroot. |
| 01:06.21 | dalias | instead, run another debian inside a usermode-linux session or inside the qemu emulator :) |
| 01:06.30 | JordiGH | juwor: You use gnome and you want beauty? Pfft. |
| 01:06.31 | Palish | dalias: the one and only thing I need to accomplish is to make sure that the untrusted code cannot access the 64 digit AWS access key. |
| 01:06.49 | jelly-home | dalias: or vserver, or openvz, or virtualbox... ;-) |
| 01:07.00 | Palish | jelly-home: Thanks! |
| 01:07.35 | juwor | but what is wrong? |
| 01:07.46 | juwor | i like |
| 01:08.06 | jelly-home | Palish: debootstrap brings up a base debian chroot without much fuss. you can then chroot to it and install other things and set it up |
| 01:08.49 | Palish | jelly-home: So I'm a little confused.. If they get root access, can they break out of the chroot? |
| 01:08.59 | jelly-home | Palish: nope |
| 01:09.26 | Palish | okay. But they can delete everything in the chroot. Which is okay. |
| 01:09.28 | jelly-home | Palish: (* but there are exploits to get out of chroot every now and then) |
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| 01:10.02 | jelly-home | I'd still use something like vserver or openvz since the overhead is low but they're more contained than a simple chroot |
| 01:10.48 | Palish | Heh. Virtualization inside of virtualization :D |
| 01:10.52 | juwor | sorry but there is some one ho knows a chanel to know people??? |
| 01:10.53 | jelly-home | we use openvz machines to play with test versions of some custom deb packages and our upgrade process |
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| 01:11.26 | jelly-home | Palish: who cares... I bet those EC2 machines are real blades somewhere, not virtual |
| 01:11.33 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 01:16.46 | Palish | hehe. Yeah, EC2 is pretty fun. |
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| 01:17.20 | Tommy | hi, when trying to install a game i get this "Error: dependency is not satisfiable: libc6". Any ideas? |
| 01:17.49 | Palish | http://www.bpfh.net/simes/computing/chroot-break.html this page details a chroot break. Does that still apply? |
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| 01:18.27 | JordiGH | Tommy: What game is it? Why are you not using a Debian package? |
| 01:19.00 | Tommy | JordiGH: the game is armagetron advanced, i couldnt find a debian package |
| 01:19.22 | JordiGH | Tommy: "aptitude install armagetron", it's in Debian. |
| 01:19.43 | Tommy | JordiGH: is the newest one in debian? |
| 01:20.00 | Tommy | JordiGH: i have the old one, i want to upgrade |
| 01:20.02 | JordiGH | Tommy: 3.0-1 is in experimental. |
| 01:20.09 | JordiGH | Tommy: How new do you want it? |
| 01:20.14 | JordiGH | Er, 3.0 |
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| 01:20.23 | JordiGH | 0.3.0 |
| 01:20.41 | Tommy | JordiGH: ive been using 0.2.7.0, anything better would be nice |
| 01:20.58 | JordiGH | Tommy: 0.2.8 is in testing and unstable. |
| 01:21.11 | JordiGH | 0.2.8.2.1 |
| 01:21.25 | JordiGH | Wow, five subversion numbers. |
| 01:22.19 | Tommy | so i stick with what ive got? its just when i try to play on internet games it never works, so i figured its because i have an older version |
| 01:22.53 | jelly-home | Palish: dunno, try it. There are kernel patches that make chroot breakout considerably harded. grsecurity has such features, for example. |
| 01:23.00 | JordiGH | Tommy: Hm. What are people playing nowadays? I didn't even realise any armagetron servers were up. |
| 01:23.05 | jelly-home | harder* |
| 01:23.26 | JordiGH | faster* |
| 01:23.41 | jelly-home | more juciy freshness* |
| 01:23.45 | Tommy | JordiGH: apparantally all the fun is with playing on the net, but i cannot connect to any server |
| 01:23.52 | JordiGH | I was gonna go for deeper*, but that works too. |
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| 01:25.01 | jelly-home | JordiGH: all's well until there's mention of THROBBING MAN MEAT |
| 01:25.24 | JordiGH | Tommy: This suggests that there are no servers currently available: http://www.armagetronad.net/servers.php |
| 01:25.47 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Careful with that throbbing thing. It's all fun and games unti someone's eye gets poked out. |
| 01:26.22 | Tommy | JordiGH: so its not just me then. |
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| 01:26.47 | JordiGH | Tommy: Hey, but I'll play you anyways. :-) Can you host? |
| 01:27.25 | Tommy | JordiGH: well i kind of just uninstalled it, hoping to install the new version |
| 01:27.44 | Tommy | if i cannot get the new one in the next few mins im going back to the old |
| 01:28.23 | JordiGH | Tommy: Are you running etch? |
| 01:28.55 | Tommy | JordiGH: sort of, running elive linux. its based on etch |
| 01:29.02 | JordiGH | ! |
| 01:29.29 | JordiGH | Tommy: I have an angry rabble with torches and pitchforks right here who would like to have a word with you. |
| 01:30.06 | Tommy | JordiGH: you dont like elive!!! |
| 01:30.40 | JordiGH | !based on Debian |
| 01:30.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 01:31.30 | Tommy | really, i thought #debian meant all derivatives also, oh well |
| 01:32.10 | JordiGH | Tommy: Actually, in this case it's probably irrelevant, since you haven't asked a question yet that's too Debian-specific... |
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| 01:32.31 | JordiGH | Tommy: So I'm just giving you a hard time. :-) |
| 01:32.39 | Tommy | i just figured i needed help with a .deb package so i came here |
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| 01:33.21 | Absolute0 | ls |
| 01:33.27 | Absolute0 | !ati |
| 01:33.27 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05. |
| 01:33.28 | JordiGH | Wrong window. :-/ |
| 01:33.44 | Tommy | lets pretend im using debian, how would one compile a .sh file to a .deb file? |
| 01:34.03 | Guerin | Tommy: 1. we don't do hypotheticals 2. your question makes no sense |
| 01:34.18 | Guerin | you don't `compile' a shell script to anything |
| 01:34.25 | jelly-home | Tommy: one would read the new maintainer's guide |
| 01:34.26 | Tommy | yeah, i dont really know what im talking about :) |
| 01:34.27 | Guerin | and a debian archive is not `compiled' |
| 01:34.35 | Guerin | at least you realise :) |
| 01:34.49 | jelly-home | and it's not called an archive |
| 01:34.50 | Guerin | Tommy: use checkinstall, or read the nm guide |
| 01:34.52 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 01:34.53 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 01:35.04 | jelly-home | uh, don't use checkinstall :-P |
| 01:35.13 | Guerin | jelly-home: no good reason not to. |
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| 01:35.37 | jelly-home | plenty of good reason if one wants to make proper packages |
| 01:35.42 | jelly-home | with sources. |
| 01:35.45 | Guerin | which he manifestly doesn't |
| 01:35.51 | Guerin | checkinstall is the 90% solution |
| 01:36.13 | jelly-home | lets pretend he wants to do the right thing (tm) |
| 01:36.18 | Guerin | ok |
| 01:36.25 | Guerin | then he should go and watch Spike Lee films |
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| 01:37.23 | Smockie | Yo, is ubuntu easyer to use the Debian? I have been using windows for years and I have installed some software servers before on ubuntu, by a guide and I was wondering is Debian hard to learn? |
| 01:37.23 | Absolute0 | is there any working way i can get 3d support on my ati card? |
| 01:37.45 | Smockie | Like in Debian can I use wine or a program that will let me play windows gamers? |
| 01:37.47 | Absolute0 | debian is baiscally the same thing |
| 01:37.52 | Dewi | Smockie: if you're expecting something like windows then yes, ubuntu will be easier to use |
| 01:37.58 | Dewi | no, debian is NOT the same thing as ubuntu |
| 01:38.13 | Guerin | Absolute0: you can do what you like in debian. No point in asking us. |
| 01:38.15 | Absolute0 | it feels the same |
| 01:38.29 | Absolute0 | you got apt-get om nptj |
| 01:38.32 | Absolute0 | *bpth |
| 01:38.43 | Guerin | Smockie: debian is easy to learn if you can read. |
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| 01:38.59 | Smockie | Dewi: is linux not so good for a desktop PC? is it more less commands, then a nice GUI? |
| 01:39.06 | Absolute0 | Guerin: well i was told that theres no stable ati support for linux |
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| 01:39.15 | JordiGH | Smockie: Debian has a reputation for being more difficult to learn than Ubuntu, but I personally prefer it, although I haven't used anything but free software in six years, so I'm hardly typical. |
| 01:39.26 | Guerin | Absolute0: that's only true if you want 3dtardedness. |
| 01:39.42 | Dewi | Smockie: ubuntu emulates a windows-style desktop experience reasonably well |
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| 01:39.48 | JordiGH | Smockie: You may ocasionally have to type commands in both Ubuntu and Debian. If you have a knowledgeable friend who can help you, you're better off using their help. |
| 01:39.50 | Dewi | Smockie: debian does not focus on that |
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| 01:40.08 | Absolute0 | whats 3dtardedness? |
| 01:40.21 | JordiGH | Absolute0: 3d desktop, I imagine. |
| 01:40.31 | rahwa | anybody down? i'm set to become a millionaire and i got the ideas for sure, i don't know about you |
| 01:40.36 | Smockie | I mean like like to install most programs, do you have to mostly install them through commands or do alot of linux programs use a setup? |
| 01:40.40 | Absolute0 | well can i run 3d games over wine? |
| 01:40.41 | Guerin | Absolute0: people insisting on using broken proprietary 3d drivers on linux, rather than just using an OS that does what they want |
| 01:40.42 | JordiGH | rahwa: You're offtopic. |
| 01:40.43 | Smockie | That installs in your home directory |
| 01:40.48 | Dewi | rahwa: then why are you looking for talent on a support channel? sod off |
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| 01:41.06 | JordiGH | Guerin: Hey! i810. And the radeon drivers with 3d support. Bliss, both of them. |
| 01:41.11 | rahwa | hehe |
| 01:41.13 | Guerin | Smockie: everything is done through commands. In ever os. Ever. |
| 01:41.17 | rahwa | i'm just asking around |
| 01:41.35 | Guerin | JordiGH: yes, indeed. Not broken, or proprietary :) |
| 01:41.36 | Smockie | Guerin: I know that, but that's why alot of coders make it easy and have setup's |
| 01:41.47 | Absolute0 | Guerin: not in windows :-D |
| 01:41.47 | Guerin | Smockie: a lot, and setups |
| 01:41.55 | Grant85 | Guerin, do you know much about Squid? |
| 01:42.14 | Grant85 | !beer Guerin |
| 01:42.14 | Guerin | Grant85: nope. I ran it for a while, but it mostly Just Worked. |
| 01:42.21 | Guerin | arr, matey. |
| 01:42.23 | Dewi | oh Guerin tell us that story about the squids |
| 01:42.26 | JordiGH | Smockie: In Debian and Ubuntu, there are a various tools you can use to setup and install software, both GUI-like and CLI-like, with various degrees of sophistication. Theoretically, they can all accomplish the same job, but the ease with which they do so varies. |
| 01:42.29 | Grant85 | lol, damn ok i keeep getting TCP_MISS, no hits at all.. |
| 01:42.42 | Absolute0 | !ati |
| 01:42.42 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05. |
| 01:43.01 | JordiGH | Absolute0: You just posted that factoid. If you were trying to remind yourself, please /msg the bot. |
| 01:43.03 | Smockie | For example does linux have a anti-virus, or would I have to control the anti-virus by commands? or do they have a menu and a GUI? |
| 01:43.09 | Guerin | Dewi: which one? The one where the guy almost choked when trying to eat one alive, or the one where I tricked someone into thinking a tentacle on a stick was a grilled root vegetable? |
| 01:43.14 | JordiGH | Smockie: Linux has no viruses, so it has no antivirus either. |
| 01:43.44 | Dewi | Guerin: the former! |
| 01:43.44 | jelly-home | *cough*clamav*cough* |
| 01:43.44 | Smockie | Yes it can get a virus, it just depends on if someone cares to code for one |
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| 01:43.52 | Dewi | Guerin: if you're making this up as you go along you're doing very well |
| 01:44.00 | zinx | JordiGH: that isn't true.. 1) it has viruses (but they can't do anything, and no one gets them), and 2) it has antivirus (to hand-hold windows by scanning for windows viruses) |
| 01:44.02 | Smockie | anything OS can get a virus if the hackers really want to make one for it |
| 01:44.15 | Smockie | I ment any OS* |
| 01:44.21 | Dewi | The League of Hackers, yes |
| 01:44.24 | JordiGH | Smockie: A virus is highly unlikely in GNU/Linux. It's not a matter of Linux being popular or not; it's simply naturally a very hostile environment for viruses. |
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| 01:44.35 | jelly-home | Smockie: viruses are a nuisance in a monoculture world |
| 01:44.44 | Smockie | Yes I know, but is there any anti-virus programs out for linux that has a GUI? |
| 01:44.53 | Dewi | JordiGH: err... but you do get people writing scanners for security vulnerabilities. the result is the same |
| 01:44.55 | Smockie | Just to be 10% more safe |
| 01:44.59 | zinx | Smockie: only ones that scan for Windows viruses |
| 01:44.59 | linuxpagan | people haviati cards with the blank screen to tty switch from x with ati driver problem can be worked around by setting vga=normal at boott |
| 01:45.03 | JordiGH | zinx: Don't confuse the issue with facts. :-) Yes, I'm aware that viruses exist as proof of concept, but it's nothing like the Windows experience, which is the point. |
| 01:45.04 | Guerin | Dewi: let me just say at the outset that baby squids don't like being eaten. They'll do what they can to climb out, and you need to munch 'em up good before swallowing in order to avoid them clinging to the inside of your throat. One tactic is to stun them with a shot of strong booze before popping them in your mouthe. |
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| 01:45.07 | Absolute0 | whats the best way to use ati with debian? |
| 01:45.19 | Absolute0 | open source or proprietery drivers? |
| 01:45.26 | linuxpagan | oops my text got messed up |
| 01:45.27 | F1rztspawn | anyone here use mplayer (console) with an nvidia card? |
| 01:45.30 | Guerin | Absolute0: the best way is to ask #ati |
| 01:45.30 | Dewi | Absolute0: open source |
| 01:45.36 | zinx | Smockie: there are some rootkit detection things, and there's tripwire and other similar tools, which are probably what you want rather than a virus scanner. |
| 01:45.38 | Palish | hm.. So any process spawned by a non-root process definitely can't be root, right? |
| 01:45.42 | Dewi | Absolute0: but that's what I call a completely biased opinion |
| 01:46.03 | Absolute0 | Dewi: and whats would be the pkg name for that? |
| 01:46.08 | zinx | Absolute0: what card? |
| 01:46.11 | Dewi | Absolute0: open source = working stable system. proprietary = prettier |
| 01:46.12 | JordiGH | Absolute0: If you can use free drivers, use them. If you can't, buy hardware that has free drivers. |
| 01:46.15 | Guerin | the free drivers will work and not be crap, and the proprietary drivers will probably not work and be crap, but if they DO you'll get 3d. |
| 01:46.28 | adelec | how do I unmount a partition? I need to change a mount point, but it was already mounted? how to? |
| 01:46.32 | Guerin | if you have a radio 3250 or earlier, there's a free 3d driver, though |
| 01:46.35 | Dewi | Absolute0: no idea what the package name is |
| 01:46.39 | Guerin | radeon, not radio |
| 01:46.43 | JordiGH | Dewi: I contest the second assertion. Like I said above, the working radeon cards with free drivers are pretty AND awesome. I've been playing Nexuiz on them. |
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| 01:46.45 | Absolute0 | so no 3d on the open source one? |
| 01:46.50 | F1rztspawn | adelec; umount /dev/whatever |
| 01:46.53 | zinx | Guerin: 3250 sounds like a pretty odd number too |
| 01:47.01 | jelly-home | won't get the AIGLXy compizy 3D yet, though |
| 01:47.01 | Guerin | Absolute0: not on the modern ones. |
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| 01:47.04 | JordiGH | adelec: mount with the remount option. |
| 01:47.15 | zinx | Absolute0: there's open source 3D drivers for the r200 and below, there may be some for the r300 by now, not sure |
| 01:47.26 | Dewi | JordiGH: in a general sense I am right, and you're unlikely to find more than a tiny handful of cases where the opposite is true :P |
| 01:47.33 | Absolute0 | zinx: Radeon Xpress 200M |
| 01:47.33 | Guerin | zinx: oh, nifty. |
| 01:47.37 | zinx | Absolute0: No. |
| 01:47.42 | JordiGH | zinx: Uh, "man radeon". The r200 have free drivers. |
| 01:47.47 | linuxpagan | ati did not fix something they say they did fix lol |
| 01:47.47 | Absolute0 | woohoo than i guess i got support? |
| 01:47.47 | jelly-home | Absolute0: definitely no 3D with the free driver yes |
| 01:47.48 | zinx | Absolute0: use fglrx if you want 3d :) |
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| 01:47.57 | zinx | JordiGH: uh, isn't that what i said? |
| 01:47.58 | jelly-home | yet* |
| 01:48.04 | pipeline | Absolute0: That's not an R200, but it still has rfee drivers. |
| 01:48.12 | pipeline | jelly-home: Not true. Hasn't been for a while. |
| 01:48.14 | Absolute0 | and how good is fglrx? |
| 01:48.19 | zinx | pipeline: it has 2D drivers. |
| 01:48.19 | liable | shit |
| 01:48.23 | pipeline | Absolute0: Slooooooooooooooow. |
| 01:48.25 | JordiGH | zinx: Sorry, fast channel, I saw a "no" that wasn't there. |
| 01:48.25 | linuxpagan | i could not get compiz to work |
| 01:48.28 | zinx | Absolute0: you'll get differing opinions on that |
| 01:48.30 | pipeline | zinx: R300 and R400 are pretty well-supported for 3d now. |
| 01:48.43 | Guerin | in free software? |
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| 01:48.45 | pipeline | Absolute0: On my laptop, software rendering is about the same speed as fglrx 3D :) |
| 01:48.48 | jelly-home | pipeline: I use a week old git of r300 on a xpress 200 card, allow me to say it _doesn't work_ |
| 01:48.52 | zinx | Absolute0: the bottom line is, they're usable, and if you want 3D they're the way to go. If they support your card, they're faster than the DRI drivers for most real world applications, too. |
| 01:48.55 | pipeline | jelly-home: Hah. |
| 01:49.01 | linuxpagan | atleast i can play warsow now |
| 01:49.04 | zinx | pipeline: then you messed something up |
| 01:49.04 | Dewi | 3D in linux.... boring and pointless. |
| 01:49.06 | Dewi | Goodnight, kids |
| 01:49.15 | pipeline | zinx: X1300 isn't particularly fast to begin with :) |
| 01:49.36 | zinx | pipeline: but software rendering on a modern CPU is significantly slower than any semi-modern GPU |
| 01:49.38 | Absolute0 | !fglrx |
| 01:49.38 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 01:49.51 | jelly-home | pipeline: support for the shared-mem cards is crap, like the cards ;-) |
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| 01:50.24 | pipeline | jelly-home: Ouch. Somehow I doubt things will ever get better. Those chips just aren't that common. |
| 01:50.25 | zinx | yeah, i don't think the Linux driver support the silly "lol we have more memory, honest! it's just like you don't have 1/4th the memory you really have!" stuff |
| 01:50.41 | adelec | OK, I mounted everyhitng as I wanted, I want to grant read-write for everybody, -o rw doesnt not seem to work, help please, I think it's simple |
| 01:50.56 | Guerin | adelec: context. |
| 01:51.00 | jelly-home | pipeline: oh, it can get less crappy, just not there yet |
| 01:51.01 | pipeline | adelec: umask |
| 01:51.03 | mrcheeks | Hi everybody, I got a microsoft comfort curve(serial) keyboard and I can't install linux(debian or ubuntu) on it, they don't recognize the keyboard |
| 01:51.11 | mrcheeks | can I install without a keyboard? |
| 01:51.18 | Guerin | mrcheeks: the 1990s wants its keyboard back |
| 01:51.25 | pipeline | a serial keyboard? o_0 |
| 01:51.31 | adelec | yes something lke umask, how do I use it? I know how to do this in /etc/fstab, but not on the command line lol |
| 01:51.31 | Dewi | mrcheeks: check for usb and keyboard options in your bios, see if you can get 'legacy' or 'emulation' support |
| 01:51.35 | Guerin | the *early* 1990s, even |
| 01:51.44 | pipeline | I've never in my life seen a serial keyboard |
| 01:51.46 | Guerin | adelec: man mount |
| 01:51.52 | pipeline | I mean, to speak very literally, PS/2 is a serial protocol, but RS-232? never |
| 01:51.56 | printk | serial keyboard and serial mouse :) |
| 01:51.57 | Guerin | pipeline: my second-ever computer had one |
| 01:52.05 | adelec | shall I use 'umask=000' ? |
| 01:52.05 | zinx | Guerin: me either |
| 01:52.07 | pipeline | Guerin: You're shitting me. Who made it? Was it even nominally PC compatible? |
| 01:52.08 | Dewi | pipeline: serial is not RS232 man |
| 01:52.13 | Dewi | pipeline: it's called 'AT' keyboards |
| 01:52.13 | Absolute0 | what repo is fglrx in? |
| 01:52.18 | Absolute0 | apt-get isnt finding it |
| 01:52.23 | zinx | Dewi: "Serial" in the context of a PC is RS-232 |
| 01:52.25 | pipeline | Dewi: AT and PS/2 are the same on the wire :X |
| 01:52.26 | Guerin | pipeline: totally. I forget who made it, but I bought it in 1996 some time. |
| 01:52.29 | Dewi | zinx: not with keyboards |
| 01:52.32 | pipeline | Dewi: And I already mentioned PS/2. |
| 01:52.37 | pipeline | Guerin: ...but how the hell did it work? |
| 01:52.40 | Dewi | pipeline: the same on the wire? are you sure? |
| 01:52.41 | Guerin | pipeline: it was great until it died and I had to replace the fucking thing |
| 01:52.43 | pipeline | Guerin: This is a pretty fuckin' rare item. |
| 01:52.44 | zinx | pipeline: AT has a different connector |
| 01:52.58 | pipeline | zinx: The connector not being "the wire," I think my statement was adequate. |
| 01:52.58 | zinx | Dewi: Even with keyboards. |
| 01:53.02 | Guerin | pipeline: sadly, it is no more. |
| 01:53.12 | pipeline | Dewi: Yup. Many PS/2 keyboards support all three command sets: AT, XT, and PS/2. |
| 01:53.28 | pipeline | Dewi: The only reason I know this is that some PS/2-equipped UNIX workstations are picky and demand a fully AT-compatible keyboard. |
| 01:53.53 | pipeline | Dewi: multiple command sets is one of those IBM-compatible things that fell by the wayside, like six-key support. |
| 01:53.55 | Dewi | pipeline: okay! cool. thanks |
| 01:54.10 | Dewi | pipeline: six-key? |
| 01:54.12 | Absolute0 | what repo is fglrx-driver in? |
| 01:54.13 | pipeline | Dewi: Here's the part that will blow your mind: PS/2 keyboards and mice are the same. |
| 01:54.17 | Guerin | like six-pack? |
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| 01:54.27 | pipeline | Dewi: Some PS/2 chipsets, you can actually plug a mouse into the keyboard port and vice versa |
| 01:54.37 | pipeline | Dewi: The mouse keycodes don't overlap with a 101 key keyboard is all :) |
| 01:54.39 | Guerin | pipeline: why don't they work when I plug them into each others' ports, then? |
| 01:54.42 | Dewi | pipeline: they aren't the same! I tried plugging them in backwards and no matter how much I bashed the keyboard the cursor did not move |
| 01:54.44 | pipeline | Guerin: some != all |
| 01:54.49 | Guerin | DAMN YOU not overlapping codes! |
| 01:54.53 | Absolute0 | ugh |
| 01:55.10 | pipeline | non-overlapping codes makes it possible to implement mouse and keyboard (carefully) on the same bus, but it is not necessarily so |
| 01:55.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:55.23 | Guerin | there's potential for hackery there |
| 01:55.23 | Dewi | pipeline: so those splitters for laptops |
| 01:55.42 | Dewi | pipeline: are they just well... the same wires all split in two? |
| 01:55.50 | adelec | OK it works, I have a question, why are debian packages more compact than fedora? deb vs rpm? |
| 01:55.52 | Dewi | pipeline: and the device ignores whichever part it doesn't care about? |
| 01:55.55 | pipeline | Dewi: not quite that simple.. you need to have enough circuitry to stop them from talking over each other. |
| 01:56.03 | pipeline | Dewi: but that's a couple of gates. No brains. |
| 01:56.06 | Guerin | adelec: they aren't necessarily. |
| 01:56.15 | zinx | my wireless USB mouse supports a PS/2 adapter - it's odd having a thing that looks like a thumb drive plugged in to a USB->PS/2 adapter sticking out the back of the computer |
| 01:56.22 | Dewi | pipeline: aah. cool. I didn't know there was a bus. Assumed different pins |
| 01:56.40 | DawnLight | why are debian packages so old? |
| 01:56.52 | Dewi | DawnLight: because we shipped in april and froze before that |
| 01:56.52 | adelec | hmm, I just got the feeling that a debian distro was going to be smaller than fedora (when Installed), for the same functionality |
| 01:57.02 | mrcheeks | Dewi: thanks I will try it |
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| 01:57.06 | Absolute0 | anyone knows whats the best resolution for a 14.1 lcd screen? |
| 01:57.17 | zinx | adelec: they use the same programs... |
| 01:57.21 | Guerin | adelec: that's a matter of dozens of variables. |
| 01:57.25 | Dewi | Absolute0: that totally depends on your screen. it's probably 1024 but if it's good could be higher |
| 01:57.35 | Guerin | an rpm package and a deb package are both compressed using gzip |
| 01:57.45 | Guerin | so given the same contents they should be roughly the same size |
| 01:57.46 | Absolute0 | 1024 doesnt look to good |
| 01:57.50 | Dewi | Absolute0: also you didn't say if it was widescreen or not |
| 01:57.54 | Absolute0 | a little fuzzy :( |
| 01:58.00 | Absolute0 | widescreen |
| 01:58.01 | zinx | Absolute0: look up what it's supposed to be online |
| 01:58.11 | adelec | hmm perhaps I got the wrong impression :P |
| 01:58.15 | Guerin | !irritate DawnLight |
| 01:58.16 | dpkg | DawnLight: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
| 01:58.21 | zinx | Absolute0: 1280x960 is probably it, but the only way to be sure is to look online for your model :P |
| 01:58.28 | Absolute0 | its supposed to be 1024X800 but it looks like crap |
| 01:58.35 | Absolute0 | and its a new screen |
| 01:58.44 | zinx | Absolute0: you have the wrong resolution |
| 01:58.45 | Absolute0 | new laptop i mean |
| 01:58.57 | Absolute0 | ye probably |
| 01:58.59 | zinx | there's a lot of them |
| 01:59.07 | Absolute0 | so le me try 960 |
| 01:59.12 | DawnLight | etch has "Inkscape 0.44.1, built Sep 25 2006". why is this policy of only security fixes? |
| 01:59.15 | zinx | and the only way to know which one is for you to try all of them, or just freaking google it. |
| 01:59.17 | adelec | I would use the native resolution |
| 01:59.25 | jelly-home | Absolute0: 1280x800 |
| 01:59.31 | Guerin | DawnLight: because otherwise the distro isn't stable. Stable = `doesn't change' |
| 01:59.34 | Absolute0 | ehh |
| 01:59.37 | Dewi | DawnLight: because we can't quality-control tens of thousands of packages on a continuous basis |
| 01:59.39 | Guerin | DawnLight: if you want change, run testing. |
| 01:59.39 | jelly-home | Absolute0: or perhaps x768 |
| 01:59.44 | zinx | yeah, sorry, 960 is for some other res |
| 01:59.59 | Absolute0 | i got 1280x800 and its fuzzy! |
| 02:00.00 | DawnLight | will that eat my children? |
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| 02:00.08 | Guerin | DawnLight: depends how delicious they are. |
| 02:00.09 | Absolute0 | 14.1 widescreen ultrabright bull shit |
| 02:00.11 | jelly-home | Absolute0: read the fine specs |
| 02:00.21 | Dewi | DawnLight: it will force you to constantly update stuff but some people like that |
| 02:00.35 | Phoenix92x | would anybody be able to help me figure out why nfs isnt working for me? |
| 02:00.35 | Absolute0 | jelly-home:good idea :) |
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| 02:00.44 | DawnLight | where can i find the policy of what goes into testing? |
| 02:00.47 | Phoenix92x | I keep getting an error that says "RPC error: program not registered" when I try to mount |
| 02:00.49 | DawnLight | !testing |
| 02:00.49 | dpkg | it has been said that testing is a release/suite between stable and unstable. testing currently points to lenny. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 02:01.13 | Dewi | DawnLight: packages causing no massive problems in unstable, after a time delay of like... under 2 weeks I think, go into testing |
| 02:01.16 | Absolute0 | and where the hell do i get the ati proprietary driver its not in the default repositories.. |
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| 02:01.24 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: you didn't answer if showmount worker |
| 02:01.33 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: worked* |
| 02:01.34 | Phoenix92x | oh, I dont remember anyone asking me that |
| 02:01.39 | Phoenix92x | do I just type showmount? |
| 02:01.42 | DawnLight | i want something between testing and stable |
| 02:01.43 | Phoenix92x | and on the client or server side? |
| 02:01.44 | Dewi | Absolute0: the official repos don't carry nasty old closed sources |
| 02:01.45 | ugly | I've successfully connected to a VPN with the pptp client, however I cannot ping the remote VPN router nor, obviously, any other hosts behind it. I've tried adding /16 routes to the network with 'route' to no avail. What could be causing this? |
| 02:01.49 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: showmount -e server-name |
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| 02:02.02 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: on client or server/ |
| 02:02.03 | Phoenix92x | ? |
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| 02:02.08 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: on client |
| 02:02.30 | Phoenix92x | fqdn or ip address? |
| 02:02.34 | Phoenix92x | for server-name? |
| 02:02.38 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: whichever works |
| 02:02.40 | Absolute0 | jelly-home:there is no fine print |
| 02:03.01 | Guerin | DawnLight: there is nothing between testing and stable. You can use stable+backports if you must. |
| 02:03.08 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: portmap getport: TPC: Success" |
| 02:03.17 | jelly-home | Absolute0: hey, you bought it. deal. |
| 02:03.22 | Phoenix92x | I'm wondering if maybe server is using NFSv4 and Client is using NFSv3 or vice versa? |
| 02:03.27 | Phoenix92x | but I'm not sure how to check that |
| 02:04.01 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: you didn't get a list of exports as output from showmount? |
| 02:04.07 | Absolute0 | 1280 960 is better |
| 02:04.11 | Phoenix92x | on the client end? no |
| 02:04.12 | DawnLight | does testing crash? do programs crash sicnificatly more? |
| 02:04.19 | Absolute0 | anything better than that? |
| 02:04.27 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: does the client have access to server's portmap? |
| 02:04.33 | DawnLight | i have some program crashes here and there in stable |
| 02:04.36 | Phoenix92x | I don't know |
| 02:04.37 | geo-rge | DawnLight: what testing does is -changes- |
| 02:04.39 | Phoenix92x | how do I check that? |
| 02:04.49 | Phoenix92x | when I Try to run showmount -e localhost on the server it just hangs btw |
| 02:04.56 | geo-rge | not as often as unstable |
| 02:05.05 | Guerin | DawnLight: it depends. |
| 02:05.12 | geo-rge | but stable does not change. no new features, no upgraded versions, ever. |
| 02:05.30 | Absolute0 | which laptops have the best quality screens? |
| 02:05.38 | geo-rge | (only critical security bugs get fixed, then a point release happens) |
| 02:05.39 | Guerin | Absolute0: the most expensive ones. |
| 02:05.42 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: are you blocking incoming to port 111/tcp and /udp? is the client's ip in /etc/hosts.allow portmap: line? |
| 02:06.01 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: (all on server) |
| 02:06.01 | adelec | Another beginner question : I am trying to set some environment variables, 'export MY_PATH = /some/where', and I check by 'echo $MY_PATH', it works, but when I close the terminal and check again, it's gone. How to do it permanently? |
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| 02:06.31 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: not blocking 111, internally the network is entirely open, client's IP is in hosts.allow and for testing purposes until I get this stupid thing working, lol, I have it set to ALL = (ip addy of client) in hosts.allow |
| 02:06.31 | Absolute0 | i heard macs make good ones but its hard to install linux on them |
| 02:06.36 | Guerin | adelec: edit the PATH variable in bashrc or profile |
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| 02:06.50 | geo-rge | DawnLight: will it crash bad here and there? it will crash bad everywhere. I do not like green eggs and ham.... I do not like them, sam I am! |
| 02:06.56 | Guerin | the screen in my stinkpad is pretty good |
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| 02:07.09 | Guerin | and the one in my ancient toshiba was still superb after ~10 years |
| 02:07.10 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: note that it _has to_ be an ip, not the symbolic name for portmap's line hosts.allow |
| 02:07.26 | Phoenix92x | hosts.allow and hosts.deny only has IPs in it |
| 02:07.31 | DawnLight | i'm considering going testing... how is upgrade paths? isn't upgrading a lot of hassle |
| 02:07.32 | Phoenix92x | *my hosts.allow etc |
| 02:07.38 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: also add 127.0.0.1 -- that ought to make showmount -e localhost work on server |
| 02:07.45 | adelec | Guerin: can you give me the exact file please? |
| 02:07.54 | Guerin | adelec: no. |
| 02:07.57 | Guerin | i forget which it is |
| 02:08.01 | geo-rge | DawnLight: and yes there is a point... which is, a crash here or there in some program is not enough info to be able to respond |
| 02:08.05 | adelec | etc/profile ? |
| 02:08.11 | adelec | hmm let me check |
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| 02:08.20 | Guerin | adelec: ~/.something |
| 02:08.25 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: when I do /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart it only lists "nfsd" as starting, is that the only daemon thats uspposed to start? |
| 02:08.34 | Phoenix92x | Ill know if showmount -e localhost works in a moment |
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| 02:08.48 | Phoenix92x | do I have to restart the nfs server to have it reread the exports list btw? |
| 02:08.50 | adelec | # /etc/profile |
| 02:08.50 | adelec | # System wide environment and startup programs, for login setup |
| 02:08.50 | adelec | # Functions and aliases go in /etc/bashrc |
| 02:08.55 | Phoenix92x | or can I do exportfs -ra? |
| 02:09.11 | geo-rge | !nopaste |
| 02:09.11 | dpkg | Remember you can not paste here, use http://nopaste.snit.ch/ and/or ask me !paste, or if you are stuck in console with no mouse, you can install nopaste: wget http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/nopaste-1992 && chmod 700 nopaste-1992 && command | nopaste, ruby is required, or the homepage for nopaste is http://n01se.net/agriffis/nopaste/ |
| 02:09.13 | Guerin | adelec: wtf are you pasting shit in here? |
| 02:09.31 | adelec | the /etc/profile header :p I think it's the right one? |
| 02:09.38 | Guerin | !think |
| 02:09.38 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 02:09.38 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: It also takes quite a long time for nfsd to start up |
| 02:09.43 | Phoenix92x | Id say maybe a minute |
| 02:09.57 | geo-rge | i think i KNOW... |
| 02:10.12 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: do you use names or ips for your hosts/exports? |
| 02:10.14 | adelec | Sorry about that though |
| 02:10.19 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: still hanging on showmount -e localhost |
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| 02:10.25 | Phoenix92x | I use ips |
| 02:10.29 | Guerin | hm, ok |
| 02:10.38 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: is your lo interface up? :-) |
| 02:10.39 | DawnLight | will i be contributing more to debian if i were to go testing? |
| 02:10.46 | Guerin | mine take sages because I use names ... but since I boot once a year or so, it's not too mcuh of a care |
| 02:10.57 | Guerin | DawnLight: impossible to tell. |
| 02:10.58 | geo-rge | i thought i KNEW... how to make beef STEW... when thinking of how I'll gorge,,, I remember my name... george... |
| 02:11.06 | Phoenix92x | how the fuck did that happen?... |
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| 02:11.12 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 02:11.14 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home, no it was in fact not |
| 02:11.15 | Phoenix92x | wtf |
| 02:11.16 | Phoenix92x | lol |
| 02:11.21 | GarryFre | !language |
| 02:11.21 | dpkg | language is, like, a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god |
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| 02:11.32 | harakeke | if I have a ssh login to a remote host, how can I open x applications on that host? I don't want to see them from my end of the connection, I want to demo stuff to the host I have connected to. |
| 02:11.38 | Phoenix92x | showmount -e localhost gave me |
| 02:11.41 | GarryFre | omg |
| 02:11.43 | GarryFre | lol |
| 02:11.51 | geo-rge | heyy, we could use more knoppix users here! |
| 02:11.52 | Phoenix92x | "mount clntudp_create: RPC: Program not registered" |
| 02:11.58 | Guerin | harakeke: ssh -X, then set the DISPLAY variable appropriately |
| 02:12.07 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: that's better than nothing |
| 02:12.10 | Phoenix92x | tis |
| 02:12.13 | harakeke | Guerin: thanks Ill give it a go |
| 02:12.28 | Guerin | harakeke: no worries ow |
| 02:13.09 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: do this with them init scripts: stop nfs-kernel-server, stop nfs-common, stop portmap. verify portmap dead (kill it if necessary), start portmap, nfs-common, nfs-kernel-server |
| 02:13.11 | DawnLight | do package maintainers usually provide good upgrade paths? |
| 02:13.22 | Guerin | DawnLight: usually. |
| 02:13.23 | jelly-home | DawnLight: they bloody well should |
| 02:13.38 | jelly-home | DawnLight: it's the major reason I use this distro |
| 02:13.39 | Guerin | there are *rare* exceptions |
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| 02:13.49 | Guerin | but they mostly have a Good Fucking Reason for failing to do so |
| 02:14.08 | jelly-home | a reason for Good Fucking is nice. |
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| 02:14.18 | Absolute0 | URxvt*font: *terminus*bold*20* is still tiny :( how do i make it bigger i am using xfontsel but its not very helpful |
| 02:14.21 | Guerin | who needs a reason for that? It's a reason in itself! |
| 02:14.25 | Absolute0 | worked better in archlinux |
| 02:14.39 | Guerin | Absolute0: s/20/50/ |
| 02:14.49 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 02:14.56 | Guerin | Absolute0: and i wonder if URxvt is the right resource key... |
| 02:14.57 | Absolute0 | 50 is huge! |
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| 02:15.17 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: I am in your debt |
| 02:15.21 | Absolute0 | its in all the google examples |
| 02:15.32 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: I had been banging my head against that all day! |
| 02:15.33 | Guerin | Absolute0: mine is all lowercase, but perhaps case doesn't matter |
| 02:15.35 | DawnLight | so if i'm a desktop user, using the heck out of kde, and have the time to upgrade my packages and deal with some bugs here and there... testing should be okay, generally? |
| 02:15.36 | Absolute0 | Guerin: 50 doesnt work |
| 02:15.45 | Guerin | Absolute0: maybe it wants a payrise |
| 02:15.47 | Phoenix92x | I had been googling "RPC: Program not registered" left and right trying to figure it out |
| 02:15.53 | Phoenix92x | and reading the script in init.d |
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| 02:16.03 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: you mean it worked? nfs is still pretty much nondeterministic to me |
| 02:16.05 | Phoenix92x | I wouldnt have thought of shutting down those programs and restarting them |
| 02:16.10 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: you ought to have read the `troubleshooting' section of the tldp NFS howto |
| 02:16.11 | Phoenix92x | ya it worked!! |
| 02:16.17 | Guerin | which covers that problem in great detail |
| 02:16.18 | Phoenix92x | Guerin: tldp? |
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| 02:16.25 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: dot org |
| 02:16.30 | Phoenix92x | oh really? well I feel silly now, although jelly-home THANK YOU |
| 02:16.42 | Phoenix92x | Guerin: I had never heard of tldp |
| 02:16.46 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: loopback device not working can mess up portmap, seen that |
| 02:16.51 | Phoenix92x | Ill add that to my list of troubleshooting places, thank you |
| 02:17.03 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: much of it is outdated but it remains a valuable resource. |
| 02:17.07 | geo-rge | DawnLight: as mentioned, an upgrade path is provided. either the package just installs and the upgrade happens just through the replacing of the files, or the maintainer has to work on how the upgrade is supposed to work |
| 02:17.12 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: the very odd part was that a few hours ago I had checked ifconfig and lo was up, heh, thats why its so odd =) |
| 02:17.21 | Phoenix92x | guerin: what is tldp.org? |
| 02:17.24 | jelly-home | it was thr gremlins. |
| 02:17.31 | Phoenix92x | stupid unix gremlins |
| 02:17.36 | Guerin | Phoenix92x: a website, which you could have visited by now. |
| 02:17.43 | jelly-home | off my lawn |
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| 02:17.49 | geo-rge | atupid unix gremlin tricks! next Letterman! |
| 02:17.57 | Phoenix92x | Guerin: lol good point, sorry |
| 02:17.58 | DawnLight | well, i am a brave mofo, i'm gonna go for testing. thanks for the help friends! bless you! |
| 02:18.09 | Guerin | DawnLight: make sure you read the install guide. |
| 02:18.21 | Guerin | DawnLight: you will receive little love in here if you fail to do so. |
| 02:18.26 | geo-rge | DawnLight: brave enough to not back up your system before upgrading? |
| 02:18.34 | DawnLight | which install guide? |
| 02:18.41 | Absolute0 | i want big terminus fonts in my urxvt window!!! |
| 02:18.45 | mudge | does skype run on debian? |
| 02:18.52 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: the latest thing I learned about it is not to enable nfsv4 support in kernel... why? no idea. |
| 02:18.54 | Guerin | mudge: ask skype, inc. |
| 02:18.56 | DawnLight | mudge: it does |
| 02:18.56 | Absolute0 | i will tolerate nothing less! :-P |
| 02:18.59 | Guerin | mudge: NOFP |
| 02:19.27 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: heh, ya the handbook for nfs basically says "if you want reliability, stay away from nfsv4 as of now, it are in development!" |
| 02:19.33 | mudge | what's NOFP? |
| 02:19.40 | DawnLight | mudge: not free, though and not open source. skype release a debian package for some archs |
| 02:19.40 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 02:19.41 | dpkg | it has been said that nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 02:19.46 | jelly-home | no fuckin penis? |
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| 02:20.09 | x_link | DawnLight: Hi! =) |
| 02:20.12 | Guerin | skype is teh evils |
| 02:20.13 | x_link | DawnLight: How did Beryl go? |
| 02:20.24 | DawnLight | x_link: no beryl |
| 02:20.32 | x_link | Hurmm, maybe I should go to bed, 04:20. |
| 02:20.35 | x_link | DawnLight: Alright. |
| 02:20.39 | x_link | Didn't get it right or? |
| 02:20.42 | jelly-home | Guerin: I prefer SEP ... it's a douglas adams influence |
| 02:20.45 | DawnLight | Guerin: which install guide? what should i read to upgrade to testing? |
| 02:20.54 | Guerin | DawnLight: /msg dpkg ig |
| 02:20.59 | x_link | DawnLight: Are you on Etch now? |
| 02:21.01 | Guerin | !sep |
| 02:21.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, sep is Somebody-Else's-Problem, a concept invented by Douglas Adams. Extremely weird things inherently generate an SEP-field around themselves, thus becoming invisible |
| 02:21.10 | DawnLight | x_link: yes |
| 02:21.13 | Guerin | jelly-home: more oblique |
| 02:21.58 | x_link | DawnLight: Okej, it's easy. Just change "etch" in your sources.list to "testing". Then run sudo aptitude/apt-get update/upgrade. |
| 02:22.07 | Guerin | a friend of mine who worked for a government agency got fired because he had a NMFP manila folder, into which he put cases that were NHFP, and once a month or so he'd dump it on his manager's desk |
| 02:22.14 | Guerin | `bad attitude', they said |
| 02:22.43 | x_link | DawnLight: I usually do dist-upgrade as well. |
| 02:22.52 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: and now to my next project, having a mysql database for all my amarok tracks I can connect to, the entire reason I wanted to use nfs was that I had been using sshfs, but oh my god does it not play nicely with amarok, causes the end link for the mount to die and you have to restart the system to be able to mount it again |
| 02:22.59 | x_link | DawnLight: Then you will be on Debian Testing instead of Debian Etch. |
| 02:23.12 | jelly-home | well, once a month means NHFP would get quite old before being handled by SE. |
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| 02:23.20 | Guerin | DawnLight: x_link is right, but you NEED to read the ig. |
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| 02:23.35 | Guerin | ig = #debian love. No ig = #debian hate. |
| 02:23.43 | x_link | Guerin: This is the FIRST time I ever helped somebody in this channel =) |
| 02:23.55 | Guerin | x_link: you get a pass. |
| 02:24.00 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: I was thinking of making a patch for amarok to use more than one db |
| 02:24.13 | x_link | I'm always the one that gets the help. |
| 02:24.20 | x_link | Guerin: =) |
| 02:24.38 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: that would be very cool, I have little programming knowledge, am teaching myself bash and php right now, already have workable java knowledge |
| 02:24.39 | Guerin | !beer x_link |
| 02:24.43 | Phoenix92x | what would you right that patch in? |
| 02:24.52 | Phoenix92x | and how would more than one db be helpful? perhaps Im missing the idea |
| 02:25.01 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: then configure some of them to say "prefix paths from this db with /net/nfs/server-name/exported/fs" |
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| 02:25.09 | x_link | Guerin: Hehe thanks man! =) |
| 02:25.21 | x_link | It actually feels good to be able to help somebody. |
| 02:25.28 | x_link | Now I really need to go to bed. |
| 02:25.29 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: dont understand what that would do |
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| 02:25.33 | x_link | 04:25 =/ |
| 02:25.38 | x_link | Good night everybody! |
| 02:25.43 | x_link | DawnLight: Good luck! |
| 02:26.00 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 02:26.26 | jmd_ | How are users supposed to arrange for environment variables to be set whenever they login ? (.login/.profile doesn't work if they login via xdm) |
| 02:26.46 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: I see the remote filesystem in that path. so when I use amarok/db on that machine directly, files are in say /d/mp3. but when I use it from home, files are in /net/nfs/work-machine/d/mp3 |
| 02:27.28 | Absolute0 | can someone please tell me what repo flgrx is in? |
| 02:27.36 | jelly-home | !fglrx |
| 02:27.37 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 02:27.58 | jelly-home | Absolute0: so, /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 02:28.01 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: I still am not getting it, apologies. This might have to do with my never having used a mysql db with amarok before |
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| 02:28.31 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: ah, nevermind. if you ever need it you'll get it ;-) |
| 02:28.44 | Phoenix92x | jelly-home: give it one more shot? I'm interested |
| 02:29.01 | Phoenix92x | oh oh |
| 02:29.01 | Phoenix92x | wait |
| 02:29.10 | Phoenix92x | two different databases because it needs to look in two different places right? |
| 02:29.17 | Phoenix92x | one db gives a different path than the other? |
| 02:30.54 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: no, two db is what I want to avoid. I'd use the database from machine "work" on the machine "home" too, but have a configuration item that says "those files aren't really where the db says, but put /net/nfs/work in front" |
| 02:31.09 | Phoenix92x | ohhh |
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| 02:31.13 | Phoenix92x | ok I get it now |
| 02:31.16 | mike-kubuntu | exit |
| 02:31.17 | Phoenix92x | thank you for explaining |
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| 02:31.43 | jelly-home | Phoenix92x: else I'd have to index the files over nfs, which can be time and bandwidth consuming |
| 02:32.03 | Phoenix92x | ahh |
| 02:32.17 | Phoenix92x | thats quite an interesting idea |
| 02:32.30 | Phoenix92x | do you have to write a patch in the same language a program is written in? |
| 02:33.14 | jelly-home | well, yes, since it's a patch for that program |
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| 02:37.33 | PiousMinion | I'm using etch and this website crashes iceweasel every time. Someone feel like testing this for me? --> about: |
| 02:37.35 | PiousMinion | grr |
| 02:37.47 | PiousMinion | http://drupal.org/project/danger4k |
| 02:38.14 | cast | PiousMinion: works fine. |
| 02:38.41 | PiousMinion | strange |
| 02:38.44 | icatorze | here fine too |
| 02:38.48 | PiousMinion | It just dies one me. |
| 02:38.52 | PiousMinion | on* |
| 02:39.00 | cast | Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070723 Iceweasel/2.0.0.6 |
| 02:40.39 | PiousMinion | must be on my end somehow. even drupal.org (main page) crashes it. |
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| 02:47.12 | Palish | Hey.. Does anyone know how to disable certain system calls for a user group? |
| 02:47.38 | cast | not me, aside from systracing the user |
| 02:49.14 | craigevil | when iceweasel crashes it usually has to do with bad extensions/themes |
| 02:50.12 | craigevil | hehe or a plugin not playing nice, try running IW in safemode if it doesnt crash its one of those |
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| 02:53.42 | iscool | hi |
| 02:53.55 | iscool | hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
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| 02:54.24 | iscool | mm i need info |
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| 02:54.46 | jonathan_ | hey guys, does anyone know how i can specify multiple commands in one line in Bash? |
| 02:55.06 | iscool | about login sistem explored in root mode |
| 02:55.07 | jonathan_ | e.g.: cd /; touch 'new' |
| 02:55.17 | amphi | jonathan_: with ; or && or || |
| 02:55.17 | jonathan_ | semicolon doesn't work though |
| 02:55.27 | jonathan_ | alright... |
| 02:55.45 | iscool | ....? |
| 02:56.34 | geo-rge | &&&^ |
| 02:56.42 | geo-rge | $$$@ |
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| 02:56.50 | ricky | Huh? |
| 02:56.51 | geo-rge | shall I go on? :) |
| 02:57.07 | iscool | ??? |
| 02:57.17 | ricky | Oh, it's a pattern. |
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| 02:57.35 | ricky | ... or I'm crazy. Hm. |
| 02:57.39 | jonathan_ | i'm trying to create a panel shortcut to launch my rails development server in gnome. |
| 02:57.58 | jonathan_ | but when i use the command "cd '/home/jonathan/Desktop/knosk'; ruby script/server" which normally works in bash |
| 02:57.59 | geo-rge | jonathan_: you can use ; but look at info bash at other ways (like && and || ) |
| 02:58.13 | jonathan_ | i get an error "Error creating the child process of this terminal" |
| 02:58.17 | iscool | who enter to sistem explorer in root mode=? or root permission |
| 02:58.23 | jonathan_ | any insight why it might be giving me an error? |
| 02:58.39 | othercriteria | could you put your commands in a shell script? |
| 02:58.58 | ricky | jonathan_: Instead of cd..., just ruby /home/jonathan/Desktop/knosk/script/server |
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| 02:59.17 | ricky | Unless Ruby on Rails has some weird thing that depends on the current directory... |
| 02:59.36 | jonathan_ | ricky: i tried that, it depends on the current directory |
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| 02:59.45 | jonathan_ | it wants a cd |
| 03:00.02 | jonathan_ | "cd '/home/jonathan/Desktop/knosk'; ruby script/server" is not a valid shortcut command |
| 03:00.23 | jonathan_ | i think it is limited to executing only 1 process |
| 03:00.28 | jonathan_ | but i don't know why. |
| 03:00.39 | ricky | Maybe since cd is a shell builtin? |
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| 03:00.45 | geo-rge | you could try exec |
| 03:01.00 | jonathan_ | geo-rge: what do you mean? |
| 03:01.09 | geo-rge | you could try cd whatever && exec ruby whatever |
| 03:01.25 | iscool | mm plis i need info is very important |
| 03:01.25 | jonathan_ | ill try that |
| 03:01.32 | ricky | I'm pretty sure the problem is that cd isn't a command... |
| 03:01.48 | geo-rge | info is very important |
| 03:01.54 | geo-rge | but coffee is very important |
| 03:01.55 | jonathan_ | ricky: you're right |
| 03:01.57 | ricky | There's might be some long way with starting a shell to do the cd, etc. |
| 03:02.10 | geo-rge | getting to my appt is very important too :) |
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| 03:02.14 | ricky | But my solution? Just make a separate shell script to do the cd/ruby for you. |
| 03:02.27 | jonathan_ | ricky: excellent idea. appreciated. |
| 03:02.36 | ricky | It makes life easier, and you can do other cool stuff, like redirecting stdout to a log or something :) |
| 03:02.59 | Phoenix92x | could someone tell me a way to make the machine reread the hosts.deny file? |
| 03:03.01 | jonathan_ | ricky: thanks for the tip |
| 03:03.10 | Phoenix92x | I made it more permissive and I need it to start well...being more permissive...heh |
| 03:03.24 | dalias | phoenix92x, the individual daemons need to be restarted |
| 03:03.30 | Phoenix92x | ok |
| 03:03.40 | Phoenix92x | thank you dalias, if its scp in question then what do I restart? |
| 03:03.46 | dalias | sshd |
| 03:03.52 | Phoenix92x | thank you kindly |
| 03:04.48 | spiros_ | i installed just the debian base system and now i want to install commonly used C libraries, what packages do i need to install |
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| 03:05.17 | iscool | whitch enter in the sistem explorer in root mode? |
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| 03:05.32 | geo-rge | spiros_: for what purpose |
| 03:05.49 | spiros_ | well to begin with just basic development and compiling packages from source |
| 03:05.58 | geo-rge | if it is to support other existing binary compiled packages, you need not. |
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| 03:06.01 | spiros_ | but i can't seem to find a standard libc or glibc package |
| 03:06.14 | liable | !b-e spiros_ |
| 03:06.14 | dpkg | spiros_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 03:06.24 | iscool | /leave |
| 03:06.28 | dalias | glibc is always installed, otherwise no other packages would work |
| 03:06.33 | dalias | the package is called 'libc6' |
| 03:06.37 | dalias | but yes |
| 03:06.42 | dalias | build-essential is the package you want |
| 03:06.42 | geo-rge | if it is to support building packages, they have build depends which get installed if you incant so |
| 03:07.08 | axscode | hi im using apt-get to install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp, but it is also including busybox, then when i rebooted to the 2.6 kernel, it uses busybox. anyone can help how to boot on standard kernel2.6 please |
| 03:07.10 | geo-rge | dalias: some other packages would work |
| 03:07.18 | geo-rge | but not many |
| 03:07.31 | dalias | axscode, "it uses busybox" ? |
| 03:07.31 | spiros_ | thanks dalias and geo-rge |
| 03:07.56 | geo-rge | basically you'd be looking at a severely damaged system if you didn't have the dynamic c libs installed... and if everything were built static, yuou' |
| 03:08.06 | geo-rge | would need lots more disk space :P |
| 03:08.07 | liable | if you boot into bustbox, you have a broken system |
| 03:08.24 | liable | busybox* |
| 03:08.25 | geo-rge | bust out the boot box! |
| 03:08.33 | dalias | there's no such thing as "booting into busybox" |
| 03:08.47 | dalias | what do you mean by that? |
| 03:08.52 | geo-rge | there's not?! |
| 03:09.00 | dalias | busybox is not an os |
| 03:09.05 | geo-rge | does it not have a shell? |
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| 03:09.27 | geo-rge | ok, I gotcha... you need a kernel to run a shell... |
| 03:09.37 | dalias | no, i mean more than that.. |
| 03:09.46 | dalias | a system boots to a login prompt |
| 03:09.48 | geo-rge | wasn't that assumed from the context of the conversation tho? |
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| 03:09.59 | dalias | and then you'll get whatever shell your account is configured for |
| 03:10.13 | geo-rge | oh, accounts and stuff |
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| 03:10.40 | geo-rge | well I don't think that was the intent of the original post... |
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| 03:10.52 | dalias | well i'm confused what the original post was asking about |
| 03:11.04 | geo-rge | but I digress and I go play fusion bass loudly :) |
| 03:11.07 | dalias | in what way the system is "booted into busybox" |
| 03:11.27 | geo-rge | understood, work it out :) |
| 03:11.42 | axscode | how am i supposed to fix it? |
| 03:11.47 | Orion_X11 | Hi. I've been out from debian for more than one month. Please were is the info about making a dvd image with jigdo? |
| 03:11.55 | dalias | axscode, first you need to explain what your problem is |
| 03:12.02 | dalias | because i have no idea what you're talking about.. |
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| 03:12.12 | axscode | ok |
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| 03:12.29 | axscode | here, ive installed from the CD and its uses 2.4, now i upgraded it. |
| 03:12.52 | axscode | so i have 2.6 right now,... then i installed some stuff, then it removes my 2.6... so i have to install 2.6 again... |
| 03:13.13 | dalias | and what happens when you boot? |
| 03:13.19 | axscode | problem was, when i tried installing using aptitude or apt-get, it also including busybox |
| 03:13.26 | liable | !jigdo |
| 03:13.26 | dpkg | from memory, jigdo is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 03:13.31 | jae_ | Anyone having trouble with GTK not accepting mouse-clicks? |
| 03:13.34 | dalias | axscode, that's not a problem |
| 03:13.40 | jae_ | It's driving me crazy |
| 03:13.44 | dalias | it's probably putting busybox on the initrd or something |
| 03:13.48 | axscode | dalias: it is for me.. help me. |
| 03:13.54 | dalias | why is it a problem?? |
| 03:14.14 | axscode | coz i dont want busybox... |
| 03:14.20 | axscode | i want to boot in a regular manner. |
| 03:14.25 | dalias | arrrg |
| 03:14.33 | dalias | WTF DO YOU MEAN BY "BOOT BUSYBOX"? |
| 03:14.38 | dalias | you still haven't told me what it's doing |
| 03:15.10 | axscode | ok.. ive installed the 2.6 and its including busybox, now since it is install i tried booting to 2.6, and it drops me to busybox |
| 03:15.30 | dalias | what is the last thing you see when it finishes booting? |
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| 03:15.45 | dalias | how do you know it's 'busybox'? (i assume you mean busybox's ash shell or something) |
| 03:15.59 | axscode | it says busybox > |
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| 03:16.08 | axscode | a shell with a limited commands |
| 03:16.14 | dalias | weird |
| 03:16.19 | \amethyst | axscode: sounds like it's able to load the initramfs but then that isn't able to access your filesystem |
| 03:16.22 | axscode | it shows me what are the commands.. |
| 03:16.25 | F1rztspawn | anyone know what the name of the truetype package is? |
| 03:16.36 | dalias | wtf, are you sure you didn't install some weird thing instead of the normal kernel? |
| 03:16.37 | axscode | yes something like that amthyst |
| 03:16.48 | dalias | ah |
| 03:16.56 | dalias | \amethyst's explanation could make sense.. |
| 03:17.05 | \amethyst | axscode: does it give you any errors before it dumps you to busybox? |
| 03:17.13 | dalias | are there any diagnostic messages immediately before busybox prompt appears? |
| 03:17.26 | axscode | hmm yes, something like cannot mount hda or cannot find.. something like that |
| 03:18.13 | axscode | ill install 2.6 again with busybox.. ill check whats the error |
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| 03:18.43 | llivavin | Can anyone help me with a problem? |
| 03:19.15 | phogg | llivavin: only if you ask a question |
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| 03:20.17 | klys | ok, I'm looking for a simple live linux ISO that has sshd, screen, irssi, and dpkg |
| 03:20.30 | llivavin | I tryed to get my graphics driver updated and such in kubuntu and someone in #kubuntu told me to edit some conf file because this command wasn't working to change the Driver so i could change my resalution |
| 03:21.14 | llivavin | in basic how do i get out of that black screen it says KDM isnt loading or something right before it goes into the black screen with text prompt thing. |
| 03:21.52 | llivavin | Or am i just gonna have to reformat and reinstall kubuntu for the 3rd time today... |
| 03:23.05 | klys | I want this ISO to be mounted readonly and not use ramfs |
| 03:23.18 | klys | so that I can burn it to a cd-rw |
| 03:23.21 | axscode | Begin: Waiting for root file system..... <-- somehow its stoping in here. |
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| 03:23.59 | klys | anyone: if you can help me I might help you |
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| 03:24.42 | llivavin | Anyone able to help me...? |
| 03:24.57 | klys | be more specific about the conf file |
| 03:25.08 | llivavin | I have no clue what one |
| 03:25.12 | llivavin | i would look at the logs |
| 03:25.16 | llivavin | if i had access |
| 03:25.28 | axscode | boot without kdm |
| 03:25.36 | llivavin | How would i do that? |
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| 03:25.49 | axscode | drop to recovery |
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| 03:26.02 | llivavin | and what would i do after that? |
| 03:26.16 | iPod-nano | How do I set a static IP from the command line? |
| 03:26.32 | klys | ifconfig 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 bcast 192.168.1.255 |
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| 03:26.41 | hihi | hi |
| 03:26.44 | klys | hil |
| 03:27.05 | llivavin | Screw it |
| 03:27.07 | llivavin | ill just reformat |
| 03:27.10 | hihi | no |
| 03:27.12 | hihi | no need |
| 03:27.14 | hihi | what distro |
| 03:27.17 | hihi | ? |
| 03:27.22 | llivavin | Latest Kubuntu |
| 03:27.29 | hihi | kubuntu |
| 03:27.30 | hihi | ? |
| 03:27.33 | hihi | why? |
| 03:27.45 | llivavin | Hrm? |
| 03:27.50 | llivavin | anyway |
| 03:27.53 | llivavin | ima just reformat |
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| 03:27.59 | hihi | no |
| 03:28.02 | llivavin | Yes |
| 03:28.05 | klys | why are you using ubuntu, particularly why kubuntu with kde |
| 03:28.09 | llivavin | Because |
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| 03:28.11 | ricky | Who cares, we're in #debian :) |
| 03:28.12 | llivavin | Gnome sucks |
| 03:28.13 | hihi | who here thinks that kubuntus a real distro |
| 03:28.20 | hihi | ? |
| 03:28.22 | ricky | Oh god... not a DE flamewar.. |
| 03:28.26 | gryfie_ | Uah..... Etch installed an amd k7-kernel in vmware on my athlon xp (while sarge as host did i386).... |
| 03:28.28 | klys | tried thunar? |
| 03:28.43 | hihi | or real linux for that matter |
| 03:28.46 | dalias | DE's all suck |
| 03:28.56 | klys | it's a backport of kde afaik |
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| 03:29.03 | gryfie_ | am I right that i can force it to i386, when using expert-install ? |
| 03:29.50 | hihi | kubuntu isnt real linux |
| 03:30.02 | klys | ok, I'm looking for a simple live linux ISO that has sshd, screen, irssi, and dpkg |
| 03:30.18 | hihi | its the noobs linux |
| 03:30.30 | dalias | lol |
| 03:30.34 | klys | hihi: do you have a live cd of anything |
| 03:30.54 | dalias | join the fsf and they'll send you a 'gnu/linux business card cd' |
| 03:31.06 | dalias | bootable cd in the shape of a business card, with only free software :) |
| 03:31.06 | klys | I want to download that iso then |
| 03:31.29 | dalias | i dunno where to dl it |
| 03:31.41 | dalias | i have one but it's old because i haven't renewed my membership in a long time.. |
| 03:32.20 | klys | does it have an sshd on it? |
| 03:32.21 | gryfie_ | hihi: As long, it has a kinux-kernel.... it's a real linux |
| 03:32.44 | hihi | *buntu doesnt even have root! |
| 03:32.45 | gryfie_ | -k +l |
| 03:32.49 | hihi | whats the point of that |
| 03:32.51 | hihi | ? |
| 03:32.55 | hihi | linux without real root |
| 03:33.05 | gryfie_ | hihi: Then add a root |
| 03:33.05 | klys | sudo -i; passwd |
| 03:33.23 | hihi | gryfie_: im not using it |
| 03:33.33 | hihi | gryfie_: i would never use a noob linux like that |
| 03:33.41 | dalias | not having root acct is kinda smart if the default login is gui |
| 03:33.49 | dalias | because root should not be using gui tools |
| 03:33.59 | ricky | dalias: Of course, most people are expected to know that :) |
| 03:34.04 | dalias | :) |
| 03:34.05 | gryfie_ | hihi: Your're right.... only Linux from scratch is a real linux ;) |
| 03:34.13 | dalias | debian is real linux |
| 03:34.14 | dalias | :) |
| 03:34.15 | hihi | gryfie_: thank you |
| 03:34.32 | dalias | lfs is newb |
| 03:34.40 | hihi | now can someone help me tell that to llivavin |
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| 03:34.59 | dalias | it's like "i wanna be cool like the people who roll their own, but i just read a step-by-step guide and copy their instructions exactly" :P |
| 03:35.37 | dalias | lfs is basically a source-based distro whose install program is written in english rather than a computer language and thus requires a human operator :P |
| 03:36.01 | gryfie_ | Now, to be true... I'd prefer gui for nearly anything.... |
| 03:36.08 | gryfie_ | anbd i hate man-pages ;) |
| 03:36.12 | dalias | :P |
| 03:36.26 | ricky | My only GUI programs are Pidgin (not for IRC), Firefox, Sunbird, and Gobby. |
| 03:36.41 | kspath | ricky: finch? |
| 03:37.01 | kspath | ricky: links2 -g and Elinks are good |
| 03:37.15 | klys | ok, I'll get DSL |
| 03:37.18 | gryfie_ | Software has to be selfexplaining and a gui should be consistend about all apps... |
| 03:37.20 | ricky | kspath: As much as I like TUI, I can't stand something trying to emulate windows in a terminal. |
| 03:37.54 | kspath | ricky: yes, I tend to agree |
| 03:38.20 | kspath | ricky: I sometimes have to fallback to firefox or galeon or dillo |
| 03:38.25 | axscode | hi \amethyst and dalias: http://pastebin.com/m43dd222f <-- here it is.. |
| 03:38.56 | F1rztspawn | Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc, removing from list! |
| 03:39.04 | F1rztspawn | why am I getting errors like that? |
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| 03:39.37 | F1rztspawn | trying to install X |
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| 03:40.06 | F1rztspawn | run X -configure.. and then testing it |
| 03:40.14 | F1rztspawn | I get those errors |
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| 03:48.35 | axscode | yehooo dalias.... \amethyst..... any body home! |
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| 03:50.45 | liable | axscode: paste your menu.list |
| 03:51.23 | axscode | hows that? |
| 03:51.32 | axscode | how to? |
| 03:51.42 | liable | axscode: can you boot into the old kernel? |
| 03:53.06 | axscode | yes i can liable |
| 03:53.19 | axscode | no probs with the old kern |
| 03:53.21 | liable | axscode: so boot into that and paste your menu.list |
| 03:53.32 | axscode | where is menu.list ? |
| 03:53.39 | liable | axscode: /boot/grub/ |
| 03:54.22 | axscode | oh in grub. |
| 03:54.29 | axscode | ok that make sense also |
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| 04:00.00 | liable | where the paste? |
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| 04:04.18 | axscode | liable: http://pastebin.com/m257b24dc <--here it goes |
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| 04:05.25 | liable | axscode: ah, you might find your drive has changed to sd because of a new driver for the controller |
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| 04:05.33 | axscode | liable: it semse that the kernel dont detect |
| 04:05.59 | axscode | liable: can you help out with this..? |
| 04:06.10 | axscode | to sd |
| 04:06.12 | axscode | ic |
| 04:06.31 | liable | axscode: you cant try editing your grub menu line for the .18 kernel, but then your / will fail to mount anyway, because of fstab |
| 04:06.53 | liable | axscode: boot into the .18 and see if there is an sdc1 partition |
| 04:07.02 | axscode | ok i will.. that makes sense |
| 04:07.21 | axscode | sdc is sata right? |
| 04:07.22 | liable | axscode: if there is, you will need to fix grub and fstab |
| 04:07.23 | axscode | im using SATA |
| 04:07.28 | liable | yeah |
| 04:07.34 | axscode | ok thats good |
| 04:07.42 | axscode | i will fix grub and fstab.. |
| 04:07.50 | axscode | hopefuly |
| 04:08.12 | axscode | you know what |
| 04:08.15 | axscode | you are right |
| 04:08.19 | axscode | it detects sda |
| 04:08.25 | axscode | as sd |
| 04:08.28 | dansushi[server] | is anyone here willing to help me out setting up my sound in alsa? i'm getting multiple errors, like no sound dirver modules being loaded, "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device", and "Running update-modules... The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!" |
| 04:08.50 | liable | axscode: leave the root (hd0,0) though, that wont change |
| 04:09.07 | axscode | ok liable... |
| 04:09.12 | axscode | :) youre so good |
| 04:09.24 | mfrisch | stew: hey stew how's life? |
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| 04:12.08 | iPod-nano | Alright, this computer is confusing me, so I need, straight-forward, what to type in order to change my machine's IP address to a static IP in a Peer-to-peer network. |
| 04:12.29 | mfrisch | iPod-nano: uhm man interfaces ?? |
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| 04:12.57 | mfrisch | iPod-nano: uhm edit /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 04:14.15 | liable | axscode: you will need to fix the kopt line in menu.list too |
| 04:14.31 | liable | # kopt=root=/dev/hdc1 ro |
| 04:14.48 | iPod-nano | But what parameters do I put in that file? |
| 04:15.04 | axscode | liable: it says sda, sda1, sda2 and sda5 |
| 04:15.12 | mfrisch | iPod-nano: what you need to connect to your network ;-) |
| 04:15.39 | iPod-nano | All I see is iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 04:15.44 | iPod-nano | What do I change that to? |
| 04:15.59 | mfrisch | iPod-nano: uhm man interfaces and then ask better questions ;( |
| 04:16.41 | liable | axscode: ok, change it to sda2 then |
| 04:17.12 | mfrisch | iPod-nano: here is a hint....change dhcp to static. |
| 04:17.24 | axscode | sda2 not sda1? |
| 04:17.27 | axscode | ok ill do that sir |
| 04:17.43 | liable | axscode: sorry, indeed, sda1 |
| 04:18.07 | mfrisch | liable: seen stew? |
| 04:18.34 | liable | mfrisch: not for some time actually |
| 04:18.49 | liable | !seen stew |
| 04:18.49 | dpkg | stew is currently on #debian (5h 40m 4s). Has said a total of 37 messages. Is idling for 4h 23m 51s, last said: 'abrotman: nope'. |
| 04:18.58 | axscode | liable: anyways.. whats the meaning of sda, sda1, sda2 and sda5 ? |
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| 04:19.04 | mfrisch | liable: hhm...saw he was on... |
| 04:19.09 | liable | axscode: they are your partitions |
| 04:19.12 | iPod-nano | How do I restart the interface after I save the file? |
| 04:19.25 | liable | mfrisch: that might have been on oftc |
| 04:19.26 | mfrisch | iPod-nano: /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 04:19.28 | axscode | liable: so sda1 is the root partition right? |
| 04:19.34 | liable | axscode: yep |
| 04:20.03 | iPod-nano | Um... no, that didn't do anything. |
| 04:20.23 | liable | iPod-nano: ifdown/ifup |
| 04:22.16 | axscode | liable: is (hd0,0) <-- no need to change this? |
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| 04:22.23 | liable | axscode: nope |
| 04:22.31 | axscode | why? |
| 04:22.51 | liable | because thats just how grub works for that bit |
| 04:22.53 | axscode | and the kopt is commented right now? do i have to uncomment it? |
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| 04:23.39 | liable | axscode: nope, leave it commented |
| 04:23.57 | liable | axscode: its not actually commented perse, it gets parsed by grub-install |
| 04:24.00 | axscode | so i dont have to change it then. since it is commented |
| 04:24.03 | liable | err, update-grub |
| 04:24.07 | axscode | ohh |
| 04:24.08 | axscode | ic |
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| 04:24.17 | axscode | so do i have to update grub ? |
| 04:24.21 | liable | no |
| 04:24.25 | axscode | after the menulist? |
| 04:24.26 | axscode | o ok |
| 04:24.28 | axscode | nice |
| 04:24.29 | liable | thats just for when you install new kernels |
| 04:24.31 | axscode | wish me luck |
| 04:24.34 | liable | gl |
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| 04:25.14 | liable | axscode: did you do fstab too? |
| 04:25.32 | mfrisch | liable: you use avahi all the sudden it won't start clean... |
| 04:25.34 | iPod-nano | OK, does anybody have advice that works? |
| 04:25.46 | mfrisch | iPod-nano: no we don't do that here |
| 04:26.04 | liable | mfrisch: i have a disliking of avahi |
| 04:26.13 | axscode | demn... i dont want to look the booting |
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| 04:26.14 | axscode | ahihih |
| 04:26.19 | axscode | yups done changing it liable |
| 04:26.25 | axscode | fstab that is |
| 04:26.31 | mfrisch | liable: don't know why I have it may remove it but don't know why I have it... |
| 04:26.56 | liable | mfrisch: its very hard to get rid of now, quite a few things have depends on it |
| 04:27.05 | axscode | liable: it seems the same problem |
| 04:27.06 | axscode | huhuhu |
| 04:27.11 | liable | cups, java, prolly some other gnometard shit |
| 04:27.27 | mfrisch | liable: what borked it...it worked earlier and sometimes when I restart it it loads... |
| 04:27.39 | liable | mfrisch: no idea. check bts |
| 04:28.21 | liable | axscode: you booted the .18 kernel? |
| 04:28.31 | axscode | yups.. im waiting |
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| 04:28.49 | liable | axscode: whats the last message? |
| 04:28.56 | axscode | Begin: Waiting for root filesystem..... |
| 04:29.03 | axscode | hehe.. still stuck on that.. like before |
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| 04:29.25 | axscode | ill see if it drops again to busybox |
| 04:29.42 | axscode | maybe we have to change the root (hda0,0) to (sda0,0) |
| 04:29.47 | liable | axscode: ok, your gonna have to use the install disk to fix this now. |
| 04:29.49 | liable | no |
| 04:29.59 | axscode | installdisk? |
| 04:30.08 | liable | axscode: you didnt change it to (hda0,0) did you? |
| 04:30.17 | axscode | i did not |
| 04:30.20 | liable | good |
| 04:30.55 | axscode | still the same |
| 04:31.01 | axscode | it drops me to busybox |
| 04:32.03 | liable | axscode: mkdir /rescue; mount /dev/sda1 /rescue; chroot /rescue |
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| 04:33.56 | axscode | cant do that |
| 04:34.10 | liable | whats the error? |
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| 04:34.43 | axscode | Mouting failed, invalid argument |
| 04:35.01 | liable | what exactly did you type? |
| 04:35.05 | axscode | i also tried /dev/sda1 dsa2 and sda5 |
| 04:35.22 | axscode | mount /dev/sda1 /rescue |
| 04:35.22 | mfrisch | liable: would you tell stew if you talk to him to email me a mfrisch189@gmail.com ...I got some questions.... |
| 04:35.57 | liable | mfrisch: highlight him with that and he'll prolly see it |
| 04:36.16 | mfrisch | liable: highlight? |
| 04:36.24 | liable | mfrisch: just address it to him |
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| 04:37.44 | axscode | mount: Mounting /dev/sda1 to /rescue failed: Invalid Argument |
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| 04:38.10 | iPod-nano | Why do I keep getting "Host name lookup failure"s? |
| 04:38.24 | axscode | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:38.31 | liable | your resolv.conf is wrong |
| 04:38.56 | liable | axscode: hrm, i dont know wtf its baulking on that. |
| 04:38.57 | axscode | iether your resolv.conf having a bad DNS or you dont have DNS on the list |
| 04:39.16 | axscode | liable: hehe.. its ok man.. |
| 04:39.39 | axscode | liable: how do i intall debian using 2.6 instead of 2.4 by default? |
| 04:40.00 | liable | axscode: by using the etch installer instead of an old one |
| 04:40.27 | axscode | ok.. can u point to a link please.. i will download now.. |
| 04:40.35 | liable | !d-i axscode |
| 04:40.35 | dpkg | axscode, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 04:40.58 | iPod-nano | It's still happening. |
| 04:41.04 | iPod-nano | What do I put in that file? |
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| 04:41.29 | axscode | iPod-nano: cat /etc/resolv.conf and paste it here. |
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| 04:42.11 | iPod-nano | nameserver 192.168.33.1 |
| 04:42.13 | axscode | if there is no results: echo "nameserver the.ip.of.your.dns" >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:42.23 | liable | iPod-nano: usually your routers ip, or your isp's dns server |
| 04:42.48 | iPod-nano | liable, I'm trying to do a peer-to-peer network. There is no router or ISP. |
| 04:43.08 | liable | iPod-nano: then put it in your hosts file |
| 04:43.19 | liable | the ip's and hostnames |
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| 04:43.35 | iPod-nano | And that file is where? |
| 04:43.46 | liable | /etc/hosts |
| 04:43.50 | liable | man hosts |
| 04:44.19 | iPod-nano | OK, what on earth do I put in there now? |
| 04:44.27 | liable | man hosts |
| 04:45.01 | liable | address hostname |
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| 04:45.16 | axscode | liable: CD1 is all i need right? for the basic install? |
| 04:45.41 | liable | axscode: get the netinst if you have a decent connection |
| 04:45.50 | axscode | dont have |
| 04:45.55 | axscode | i have to download |
| 04:46.27 | liable | ok, cd1 will give you a desktop, yeah |
| 04:46.29 | axscode | im downloading the CD1 |
| 04:46.43 | axscode | i barebone |
| 04:46.50 | axscode | i want only a barebone on it.. its possible yea? |
| 04:47.03 | liable | just base? no x? |
| 04:47.05 | axscode | ill be install via NET for additional components |
| 04:47.09 | axscode | no X |
| 04:47.11 | axscode | i dont use X |
| 04:47.15 | liable | then the netinst will do |
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| 04:47.23 | timbobsteve | hi all |
| 04:47.25 | liable | and about 1/3 the size cd |
| 04:47.36 | axscode | liable: and CD1 will do also? |
| 04:48.06 | liable | axscode: sure, you can just install base with cd1, but if you dont want x, its a waste of time getting cd1 |
| 04:48.13 | axscode | i have to have a copy also. |
| 04:48.28 | liable | the netinst gives you base without a net connection |
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| 04:48.35 | axscode | im having 40-50Kbps throughput of download.. very bad |
| 04:48.49 | timbobsteve | dmesg reports that it loaded pcnet32 (for my NIC), but when I do 'ifconfig eth0 up' it says "eth0: Error while getting interface flags: No such device"... any ideas? |
| 04:48.49 | lindenle | /anyone know how to use a blckberry for intenet |
| 04:49.07 | liable | timbobsteve: ifconfig -a |
| 04:49.20 | liable | timbobsteve: is there an eth1 eth2? |
| 04:49.36 | timbobsteve | yes there is eth1 |
| 04:49.40 | liable | try that |
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| 04:51.34 | timbobsteve | thanks liable.... but why does it register as eth1 and not eth0? I am running a custom LiveCD i made with bootcdwrite and the original base system had eth0 not eth1 :-/ |
| 04:51.54 | liable | timbobsteve: udev |
| 04:52.08 | timbobsteve | udev? |
| 04:52.49 | liable | timbobsteve: i know nothing about live cd's, but somewhere in there will be a udev rule for the original nic |
| 04:53.23 | liable | thus, all others will get incremented |
| 04:54.16 | SF7 | i cannot get Linux to detect my usb widget. but other people can - just reading someone's blog entry 'The FT232R was recognized by linux right off |
| 04:54.40 | SF7 | what is wrong with my set-up? how do I fix it? |
| 04:54.44 | liable | timbobsteve: make the cd again, but remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules file before you do it |
| 04:55.10 | timbobsteve | ok kool. Thanks for your help liable... debian community rocks :D |
| 04:55.26 | liable | welcome |
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| 04:56.22 | liable | time to do some housework :( |
| 04:56.57 | timbobsteve | liable: just 'sudo /usr/bin/auto-housework' ! |
| 04:57.12 | liable | i wish |
| 04:58.05 | SF7 | ./ignore housework |
| 04:58.12 | SF7 | ./ignore mess |
| 04:58.28 | krazykit | /ignore work to do |
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| 05:11.36 | gpm | krazy |
| 05:12.02 | streuner | whats crazy? |
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| 05:13.15 | gpm | how did krazykit enter "/ignore work to do" with no extra spaces or tricks like that? |
| 05:13.24 | krazykit | magic, dude. |
| 05:13.31 | krazykit | /say /what you want to do |
| 05:14.14 | gpm | krazykit: show me the magic |
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| 05:14.29 | krazykit | i did. |
| 05:14.54 | gpm | unknown command say |
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| 05:15.28 | krazykit | gpm, then your client sucks :P |
| 05:15.32 | gpm | irssi? |
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| 05:15.38 | krazykit | yep. |
| 05:15.52 | gpm | aw |
| 05:16.02 | gpm | well i like irssi too much |
| 05:16.12 | gpm | i can live in a world without magic |
| 05:16.16 | krazykit | wait, you mean you're using irssi |
| 05:16.19 | krazykit | i am too. |
| 05:16.23 | gpm | yeah |
| 05:16.26 | gpm | i am |
| 05:16.58 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.13 | gpm | maybe my rc file's whack |
| 05:17.26 | gpm | irssi-scripts? |
| 05:17.29 | gpm | do i need that? |
| 05:17.57 | SF7 | if I plug in a device should it Automatically Load the appropriate driver module? |
| 05:18.08 | krazykit | SF7, assuming the device is supported, yeah |
| 05:19.03 | krazykit | gpm, i don't think so. /say has worked for me since i started using irssi a few years ago |
| 05:19.06 | SF7 | mm it is not working. doing lsmod before and after give the same read out. but I did compile my own kernel yesterday. |
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| 05:19.14 | SF7 | maybe I got an option wrong |
| 05:19.35 | gpm | .say |
| 05:19.38 | krazykit | you might not've compiled the right module, or compiled the module in rather than... er, as a module |
| 05:20.07 | SF7 | which module is responsible for auto detecting hardware? |
| 05:20.59 | krazykit | SF7, none, afaik. udev takes care of that now, i thought |
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| 05:22.28 | SF7 | if I change some menuconfig option and recompile my kernel, is it going to take hours again? |
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| 05:24.34 | krazykit | SF7, shouldn't, no, unless you did make clean or something. |
| 05:24.55 | gpm | \/ |
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| 05:28.53 | gpm | say /msg dpkg |
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| 05:29.31 | gpm | krazykit: weird. no form of say or /say will work, but /msg * does |
| 05:29.47 | gpm | /msg dpkg |
| 05:30.13 | liable | foo |
| 05:30.20 | liable | hrm, say works for me |
| 05:30.29 | liable | though i dont see the point of it |
| 05:30.41 | gpm | liable: so you can say commands |
| 05:30.59 | liable | yeah, that was /say foo |
| 05:31.14 | gpm | liable: no, like so i can say this: |
| 05:31.16 | krazykit | gpm, /help say seems to just be an alias |
| 05:31.22 | gpm | /msg dpkg |
| 05:31.26 | krazykit | er, says it's an alias for /msg * |
| 05:31.37 | gpm | yeah, i just aliased it |
| 05:31.38 | gpm | that worked |
| 05:31.47 | gpm | that last /msg dpkg was /say-ed |
| 05:32.12 | gpm | good to know |
| 05:32.17 | gpm | irssi magic is the best. |
| 05:32.34 | gpm | though i think less-desirables like mirc have it too |
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| 05:32.40 | gpm | well, everyone has /msg * i guess |
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| 05:33.59 | liable | i wonder if i can conduct an entire irssi session with aliases |
| 05:34.58 | krazykit | liable, with enough work, yes |
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| 05:37.04 | Supaplex | !dhmo |
| 05:37.04 | dpkg | it has been said that dhmo is DyHydrogen MonoOxide - A deadly substance. Read up on the FAQ at http://www.dhmo.org. Petition Congress to ban the substance NOW! |
| 05:37.52 | cahoot | DyHydrogen? |
| 05:38.09 | ApEtc | cahoot: Not a spelling I'm familiar with. |
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| 05:41.50 | Guerin | a NZ MP just fell for the DHMO thing, and wriote to the Minister for Drug Control demanding to know why this pernicious substance hadn't been banned |
| 05:42.24 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 05:43.23 | Guerin | dpkg, dhmo =~ s/Dy/Di/ |
| 05:43.23 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
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| 05:43.46 | Guerin | dpkg, dhmo =~ s/MonoO/MonO/ |
| 05:43.46 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 05:43.58 | Guerin | whoever made that factoid needs to go back to skool |
| 05:44.18 | Guerin | <cue jokes about the US skool system> |
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| 05:44.27 | Supaplex | !factinfo dhmo |
| 05:44.27 | dpkg | dhmo -- created by Supaplex <supaplex@205.208.245.134> at Wed Sep 22 00:14:30 2004 (1088 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by Supaplex, 7m 23s ago. |
| 05:44.27 | cutekat | Fact: The Three Wise Men of the East brought gold, frankincense and myrrh to the infant Jesus. Frankincense is a gum resin used as a base for incense. Myrrh, also a gum resin, was valued as a perfume and unguent used in embalming. |
| 05:44.36 | Supaplex | hah! yes I do. :P |
| 05:45.18 | Guerin | cutekat: they should have bought pizza, beer and weed |
| 05:45.31 | Supaplex | cutekat: fact, that script is laaaaaameo |
| 05:45.32 | Guerin | now that's a holy trinity |
| 05:45.59 | Guerin | cutekat: by the way, you probably want to turn that off before an op turns it off for you |
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| 05:55.20 | biz | can someone suggest me a tool to remap keys at least in X11 that supports usage of more than 4 modifier keys and supports mapping of whole strings to a single key? |
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| 06:01.06 | tuvwx | what is a good podcast client for linux? (gnome preferred) |
| 06:01.23 | biz | like loadkeys using the kernels string table |
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| 06:06.21 | blame | Hello. I upgraded the memory on my laptop from 512mb to 2gig but did not make any changes on the SWAP partition which is about 700mb. What will happen if I don't resize the SWAP partition? Do I need to? |
| 06:06.58 | Thurin1 | blame, Your fine |
| 06:07.22 | Thurin1 | blame, And no you do not need to resize your partition - unless you compile like MASSIVE programs or something - 700MB's of swap is adequate. |
| 06:09.25 | et | if you used the swap partition for suspend though, you'll need to resize... |
| 06:09.52 | Thurin1 | et, Does anyone use suspend? |
| 06:09.57 | Thurin1 | On a laptop...? |
| 06:09.58 | Thurin1 | :/ |
| 06:10.04 | Thurin1 | I never do, but hey that's me... |
| 06:10.36 | et | especially on a laptop? if you can get it to work, it's nice |
| 06:11.12 | blame | thank you Thurin1. I certainly do not exercise overly excessive tasks on my laptop. Merely desktop use only. |
| 06:11.14 | Thurin1 | I suppose |
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| 06:11.27 | Thurin1 | blame, So ok, your alright no need to resize., |
| 06:11.47 | blame | great |
| 06:11.48 | Thurin1 | Linux does not even use much swap anyways .. unless you compile constantly |
| 06:12.23 | blame | linux does feel better with 2 gigs available |
| 06:12.32 | pringat | just recently when I try to upgrade I'm told packages are untrusted. Does the keyring need to be upgraded? or? thx |
| 06:13.03 | Supaplex | pringat: did you apt-key update to? |
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| 06:13.26 | Supaplex | BudgetDedicated: your repos are growing old btw. :) |
| 06:13.34 | Supaplex | !+listvals apt-key update |
| 06:13.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'apt-key update' by value (1): apt-key-auto. |
| 06:13.42 | Supaplex | !apt-key-auto |
| 06:13.42 | dpkg | Run, as root, "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-key update" |
| 06:14.34 | pringat | Supaplex, let me try it... thx |
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| 06:16.05 | Thurin1 | blame.. Im always in Conosole/CLI.. |
| 06:16.25 | Thurin1 | Linux always feels good, from a 486 to a Pentium 4 for me :D |
| 06:16.41 | bullgard4 | What is meant by 'volume SSN' in ACPI 3.0a specification's Figure 15-5 'OS Initialization'? |
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| 06:17.52 | mhall | Is anybody else having trouble with PDF readers or PostScript tools not launching right in unstable right now? |
| 06:17.54 | pringat | Supaplex: debian-archive-keyring was already installed and after apt-key update I get the same warning... any other suggestion? |
| 06:18.11 | mhall | pringat: have had problems like that... is it an unofficial repository causing the issue? |
| 06:18.32 | mhall | pringat: does it mess up on other debian mirrors if it is a debian repository/ |
| 06:18.46 | Supaplex | blame: http://pyroclastic.daxal.com/specs.html amazing what will run in 12mb of ram. (kernel,ssh,screen,irssi,httpd,other crap) |
| 06:19.04 | pringat | mhall: no, at the moment I just have lenny and debian multimedia reps... |
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| 06:19.15 | mhall | Supaplex: somebody messing with vmware or what? |
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| 06:19.19 | Supaplex | pringat: not really. |
| 06:19.26 | mhall | Supaplex: i want to get 12 GB of ram ;-) |
| 06:19.36 | pringat | Supaplex: thx anyway |
| 06:19.38 | mhall | pringat: right ok but is the key error coming from one of the non-lenny ones |
| 06:19.51 | Supaplex | mhall: nope. it's production. soon it'll be handling pppoe to |
| 06:20.10 | \amethyst | pringat: what is the key that it doesn't know? |
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| 06:20.12 | Supaplex | s/production/bare metal/ |
| 06:20.35 | pringat | \amethyst: how do I know that? |
| 06:20.44 | Thurin1 | What WM's/DE's are you using, does anyone else use IceWM while in X? |
| 06:20.51 | \amethyst | pringat: it should tell you |
| 06:21.12 | mhall | Supaplex: So I heard Cisco somehow made Linksys fuck up the design because it competed with other projects. |
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| 06:21.22 | pringat | mhall: shall I install debian-multimedia-keyring package instead of installing the key manually? |
| 06:21.30 | Supaplex | mhall: this isn't linksys. |
| 06:21.34 | mhall | pringat: On that I am not sure. |
| 06:21.39 | mhall | Supaplex: openwrt isn't linksys?!? |
| 06:21.55 | Supaplex | mhall: mine's running on x86 |
| 06:22.05 | Supaplex | mhall: http://pyroclastic.daxal.com/specs.html |
| 06:22.14 | mhall | Supaplex: yeah i saw that... and assumed that's what cisco and linksys to break the capability |
| 06:22.31 | mhall | Supaplex: i heard they were messing up the original wrt54g from some friends at work at hp |
| 06:22.44 | Supaplex | yea, there's plenty of "variants" of that |
| 06:23.03 | Supaplex | total mess. I like the mainstream hardware myself. too many gotchas otherwise. |
| 06:23.09 | mhall | anti-cisco rumors often spread where i work because we are a big partner of them but also a huge competitor |
| 06:23.19 | pringat | mhall: well, you were right, after # multimedia repo line no more complains... hmm.... |
| 06:23.42 | mhall | Supaplex: yeah we hacked into our linksys nas with gpl firmware >:-) |
| 06:24.02 | Supaplex | mhall: yay! |
| 06:24.03 | mhall | Supaplex: it's pretty sweet, they actually loaded a damn nice suite of tools in the stock version |
| 06:24.21 | mhall | Supaplex: it runs a mipsel reference design from some nas / storage controller company |
| 06:24.30 | Supaplex | cool |
| 06:24.47 | mhall | Supaplex: so did you just create a suped up openwrt build for your geode board? pretty cool work... |
| 06:24.48 | pringat | mhall: now I'm doing the upgrade. After finishing it I'll install debian-multimedia-keyring and see what happens |
| 06:24.59 | Supaplex | I hear via's sata+pata chipset are used on some embeded nas designs to |
| 06:25.05 | mhall | pringat: sounds like a good idea... if i'm around let me know, i might find this useful mysellf |
| 06:25.15 | mhall | Supaplex: might be true... not on mine though |
| 06:25.26 | Supaplex | mhall: it's mostly stock actually. I need to roll a new kernel to support some iptables features I miss (like -m recent) |
| 06:25.46 | mhall | Supaplex: my development team's practices are very bad so me and a good buddy i got hired here are cleaning up their acts |
| 06:25.57 | mhall | Supaplex: we found out hp has unlimited free vmware esx licenses |
| 06:26.05 | Supaplex | nice |
| 06:26.09 | mhall | Supaplex: so we started stocking up on nases and proliants |
| 06:26.22 | Supaplex | I've never played with esx |
| 06:26.26 | mhall | Supaplex: we eventually found out there is one box which is both a nas and a proliant all in one |
| 06:26.39 | mhall | Supaplex: if you can get a copy and something that will run it, try it out, it's really sweet |
| 06:26.46 | Supaplex | I'd like to get xen running, but my x video drivers don't play nice with it. :( |
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| 06:27.12 | mhall | Supaplex: yeah i looked at xen but ended up deciding i didn't think i could trust it... so why bother when esx was free |
| 06:27.43 | mhall | but proliant servers have to be close to the best product hp makes, if not the best |
| 06:28.00 | mhall | the other bests besides that would be our sweet new tvs and procurve switches |
| 06:28.06 | Supaplex | I tossed an smp proliant the other day |
| 06:28.11 | mhall | it's funny... not many people know about the procurve switches though |
| 06:28.18 | mhall | Supaplex: really? what happened to it? |
| 06:28.31 | Supaplex | 200mhz's - keyboard won't recogonize, other crap |
| 06:28.44 | mhall | Supaplex: all of the ones i have got have had a few bugs but they went away when i upgraded the firmwares |
| 06:28.45 | Supaplex | my geode has more umph :P |
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| 06:28.59 | mhall | Supaplex: lol no wonder... all the ones i use are from the DL series |
| 06:29.03 | Supaplex | yea, but how do you upgrade firmware whent he keyboard controller is shot? :) |
| 06:29.45 | Supaplex | dumpster! |
| 06:29.46 | mhall | i have like two dl360s, three dl320s, a dl385 (dual dual-core opteron 2000 series) |
| 06:30.06 | mhall | and maybe about 250k usd worth of procurve switches |
| 06:30.14 | mhall | the best thing about the job is all the gadgets |
| 06:30.54 | mhall | the other day somebody bridged my virus testing lan to some other lans... that was bad |
| 06:31.01 | mhall | but i fixed it asap though |
| 06:31.02 | Supaplex | haha oops |
| 06:31.20 | mhall | i enabled dhcp snooping, snmpv3, ssh, scp, sftp, and acls on all my switches |
| 06:31.32 | mhall | and set them all to routing mode |
| 06:31.44 | mhall | it's pretty awesome... now anything crappy is instantly dropped |
| 06:31.52 | mhall | only problem is it protects *me* great |
| 06:32.00 | mhall | and gives me decent warning when something happens |
| 06:32.11 | mhall | but it doesn't do much for the poor sap who connects :-) |
| 06:32.27 | gpm | what up |
| 06:32.44 | mhall | the best part is the guy who complained most about the outage was the one who caused it lol! |
| 06:32.54 | Supaplex | hah |
| 06:33.01 | mhall | isn't that classic man |
| 06:33.19 | mhall | gpm: hmm maybe you'd better copy and paste a few more users :-) |
| 06:33.20 | Supaplex | just deserts |
| 06:33.31 | mhall | gpm: unless x is loaded, then it won't work :-( |
| 06:34.00 | mhall | i also had some funny experiences setting up the acls |
| 06:34.26 | mhall | first i programmed the cam table mask on the acls backwards... 255.255.0.0 instead of 0.0.255.255... and kicked myself out |
| 06:34.34 | mhall | i couldn't figure out why for the life of me d'oh |
| 06:35.01 | mhall | but i got some help from the lady who developed that part and she showed me how to do it right lol |
| 06:35.16 | Supaplex | that must be nice :) |
| 06:35.26 | mhall | the other thing was i found i could cause it to crash if i messed with some of the acls in just the right way |
| 06:35.39 | Supaplex | o.O |
| 06:35.39 | mhall | hell yeah, cool female developers are awesome |
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| 06:35.57 | mhall | i'm trying to reproduce the crash so i can pay it forward for the help i got |
| 06:36.07 | mhall | for now all i got was the log but it's better than nothing |
| 06:36.09 | Supaplex | I just have a whimpy intel 510t |
| 06:36.22 | sylpheedClaws | I'm having wifi issues |
| 06:36.34 | Supaplex | two actually. but I only paid $1/ea (and $19 shipping/ea - ouch) |
| 06:36.40 | mhall | Supaplex: i hadn't heard of that before |
| 06:36.44 | mhall | Supaplex: looks interesting |
| 06:36.53 | sylpheedClaws | I managed to get my ipw3945 drivers set up, and set up the iface in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:37.06 | mhall | real troubleshooting questions... lol finally |
| 06:37.08 | Supaplex | it has vlans. that's all I cared about when I got them (well, and they were stable and cheap) |
| 06:37.20 | mhall | Supaplex: yeah sounds like a good deal to me too |
| 06:37.33 | sylpheedClaws | now, whenever I run "ifup eth2", it sends DHCPOFFERS for a while and then gives up |
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| 06:37.48 | mhall | i wish i could cough up a sympathy switch for you but i'm to low down the totem pole so i'd get busted |
| 06:37.48 | liable | sylpheedClaws: is it associated? |
| 06:37.57 | Supaplex | so after I reset my dsl port to its own vlan, the openwrt router can use that vlan for pppoe and stay isolated =) |
| 06:38.02 | mhall | sylpheedClaws: so i guess the first question is what's going on with the authentication |
| 06:38.13 | sylpheedClaws | I'm using 128-bit WEP |
| 06:38.17 | mhall | Supaplex: ya... makes sense |
| 06:38.32 | sylpheedClaws | I added s:XXXXXXXXXXXXX to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:38.39 | sylpheedClaws | in the apropriate spot |
| 06:38.47 | mhall | sylpheedClaws: alright i know it's sucky but did you try standard 64 bit mode first to be sure it could work? |
| 06:38.48 | liable | is it associated? |
| 06:38.58 | sylpheedClaws | we use a 128-bit key |
| 06:39.17 | sylpheedClaws | I can get a connection the exact same way on Ubuntu... freaky |
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| 06:39.22 | mhall | yeah you'll have to play around with the... iwconfig command as i recall |
| 06:39.33 | mhall | !ubuntu is not debian |
| 06:39.34 | dpkg | ...but ubuntu is already something else... |
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| 06:39.39 | mhall | !ubuntu |
| 06:39.39 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 06:39.47 | Guerin | mhall! |
| 06:39.52 | mhall | Guerin: sup bro? |
| 06:39.56 | sylpheedClaws | ...err, using it as a reference? |
| 06:39.59 | family_ | hey guys have a question only look at it if your seriously wanting to help me its all code simple enough just need to see if this is going to work http://www.pastebin.ca/698304 |
| 06:40.05 | Guerin | up to my eyeballs in propaganda research |
| 06:40.14 | Guerin | mhall: you still at skool? |
| 06:40.26 | Guerin | (or had you already finished, I forget) |
| 06:40.32 | family_ | main area to look at is line 10 down |
| 06:40.32 | mhall | Guerin: nope i've been working for hp procurve |
| 06:40.44 | family_ | to 48 |
| 06:40.52 | family_ | the keys are located at top |
| 06:40.58 | family_ | brb |
| 06:41.12 | Supaplex | family_: homework? |
| 06:41.21 | cutekat | Guerin: eh? |
| 06:41.25 | Guerin | mhall: got a porsche yet? |
| 06:41.27 | cutekat | oh crap i need to find w/e it is |
| 06:41.32 | cutekat | sorry about that |
| 06:41.36 | mhall | Guerin: i develop network behavior anomaly detection stuff |
| 06:41.47 | Guerin | cutekat: a pox on all public irc scripts! |
| 06:41.52 | mhall | Guerin: not hardly... may i explain in msg? |
| 06:42.03 | Guerin | mhall: you may proceed. |
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| 06:43.01 | sylpheedClaws | mhall: it would be "iwconfig ethX enc s:XXXXXXXXXXXXX", right? |
| 06:43.37 | mhall | sylpheedClaws: my problem is it's been a long time since i tried this stuff |
| 06:43.38 | family_ | supaplex not really |
| 06:43.46 | family_ | more like boredom |
| 06:43.48 | mhall | sylpheedClaws: so i can't help much more than i already tried |
| 06:43.50 | sylpheedClaws | mhall: no problem |
| 06:43.56 | family_ | but its for a custom os |
| 06:44.02 | sylpheedClaws | I'll brb and check if it works |
| 06:44.06 | mhall | sylpheedClaws: if it were WPAPSK i could help more |
| 06:44.13 | mhall | sylpheedClaws: because that's what i had to use |
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| 06:44.52 | mhall | family_: i'm having a look there |
| 06:45.09 | mhall | family_: the one thing i wonder is... when i do math in the shell i usually use $(()) |
| 06:45.18 | mhall | family_: but you are doing yours with $[] |
| 06:45.39 | family_ | :) i always do things the hard way :P |
| 06:46.10 | mhall | family_: yeah i'm not a huge shell programmer because i usually dodge it with awk and c |
| 06:46.22 | mhall | family_: but i just figured i'd at least mention it in case it helped |
| 06:46.57 | mhall | that and sometimes i do a little inline metaprogramming with the help of printf and eval... heh ugly shit... heh heh heh |
| 06:47.09 | family_ | :) im using a 2.4 kernel for this project and its got only basic shell so i think it might not work with $(()) i could try |
| 06:47.32 | mhall | family_: yeah i'm not really sure if it will help or not |
| 06:47.41 | Supaplex | kernel has nothing to do with $((1+1)) on the shell |
| 06:48.00 | Guerin | !test |
| 06:48.01 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:48.01 | mhall | Supaplex: he mentioned later therein that it was a basic shell |
| 06:48.13 | family_ | aww okay just making sure saw a couple of examples showed me like this so like a jack arse i assumed |
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| 06:48.55 | family_ | thats not a problem to change im just uneasy on line 36 not sure if its 1 or 0 because partitions usually start on 1 |
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| 06:49.51 | mhall | family_: i'm not promising it's broken the way you did it |
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| 06:50.15 | family_ | damn |
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| 06:50.40 | sarixe | i'm running various services on my debian machine. ssh and http are among them. however, port 80 shows up as a stealthed port, even though it's running a webserver. |
| 06:50.49 | sarixe | also, i can't get friends to connect to it. |
| 06:51.04 | sarixe | but they can in fact connect to ssh, and a port scan reveals ssh. |
| 06:51.07 | Supaplex | stealthed? |
| 06:51.13 | Supaplex | as in your isp is filtering you? |
| 06:51.17 | sarixe | no. |
| 06:51.23 | sarixe | i've run webservers before. |
| 06:51.30 | sarixe | just i newly installed debian |
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| 06:51.42 | sarixe | and i was wondering whether there's some config i have to do? |
| 06:51.48 | sylpheedClaws | it sort of worked |
| 06:52.07 | Supaplex | sarixe: did they try tcptraceroute and compare it to traceroute? |
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| 06:52.23 | sarixe | Supaplex : it's not a routing issue |
| 06:52.41 | sarixe | Supaplex : it's a server issue. ssh can be accessed fine, but not http. |
| 06:52.43 | Supaplex | I guess I don't understand. |
| 06:52.51 | sylpheedClaws | the ifup seemed to work, but I couldn't enjoy the results |
| 06:53.05 | Supaplex | what told you port 80 was stealted? |
| 06:53.09 | sylpheedClaws | you see, I used "ifup eth2", and it crashed the whole system |
| 06:53.15 | sarixe | grc.com's shieldsup |
| 06:53.40 | Supaplex | and you're not using iptables? iptables-save is empty? |
| 06:53.52 | sarixe | i'm not using iptables, but firestarter |
| 06:54.02 | sarixe | and i have ssh and http open |
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| 06:54.35 | Selanit | Hiya. Is there any way to configure KDE so that clicking a selected file once will let me rename it? Pressing F2 or right-click->rename all the time is driving me berserk. |
| 06:54.53 | sylpheedClaws | ...hello? |
| 06:54.55 | sarixe | Selanit : yes |
| 06:55.01 | Supaplex | sarixe: ok, but tcptraceroute isn't just for troubleshooting routing. |
| 06:55.02 | sarixe | kcontrol |
| 06:55.11 | sarixe | Supaplex : then what? |
| 06:55.24 | sarixe | Selanit : go to the mouse config |
| 06:55.44 | Selanit | I'm there |
| 06:56.16 | sarixe | Selanit : General tab, "Double-click to open files and folders (select icons on first click)" |
| 06:57.02 | Selanit | sarixe: I see it; that's enabled already. But it's not behaving the way I expect. |
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| 06:57.15 | sarixe | click apply? |
| 06:57.24 | Supaplex | sarixe: http://rafb.net/p/ZDbyYO82.html I suspect hop 11 on lines 15 and 34 is dropping http traffic to you. |
| 06:57.58 | Selanit | sarixe: it's been that way for weeks. When I click once, it selects the file. When I click a selected file once, nothing happens. I expected clicing once on a selected file to let me rename it. |
| 06:57.59 | Supaplex | sarixe: the first tcptraceroute is using port 80, the second is port 22. (from me, destination port to you) |
| 06:58.00 | family_ | okay broken to the point its really broken or just needs some adjustments ill go through and find replace [ with ( so on so on but im still uneasy with the line 36 my root partition also stores the boot partition so its like this hda1 / hda2 swap. |
| 06:58.07 | sarixe | Supaplex : 0.so-1-2-0.XT2.SLT4.ALTER.NET ? |
| 06:58.21 | Supaplex | 11 A4-0-0-1721.DSL-RTR6.NWRK.verizon-gni.net (130.81.11.138) 297.045 ms 193.776 ms 170.698 ms |
| 06:58.35 | Supaplex | sarixe: what's netstat -tan | grep 80 show? |
| 06:58.35 | family_ | im trying to figure out if it should be 0 or 1 |
| 06:59.25 | sarixe | well i'm in putty... can't copy and paste |
| 06:59.44 | Supaplex | it's select and paste just like the console |
| 06:59.47 | sarixe | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 06:59.56 | sarixe | that's what i typed |
| 07:00.07 | Supaplex | looks like you're listening on all interfaces port 80 ipv6+ipv4 |
| 07:00.24 | sarixe | yep |
| 07:00.26 | Supaplex | so it should work, if you're not filtered. |
| 07:00.37 | Snapser | oooh~ |
| 07:00.38 | sarixe | you think verizon would be filtering it? |
| 07:00.51 | Supaplex | run iptables-save to see the output (firestarter uses iptables iirc) |
| 07:01.34 | Snapser | klibido won't save decoded files because they have weird symbols in them: Å“ |
| 07:01.49 | Supaplex | yea, firestarter depends on iptables (>= 1.2.11) (among others) |
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| 07:02.00 | Snapser | http://binsearch.net/?b=%5Bax%5D_ranma_%BD_-_season_02_-_06_-_this_ol_gals_the_leader_of_the_a&g=alt.binaries.multimedia.anime.highspeed&p=Yenc-Poster%40power-post.org+%28Gark%29&max=250 |
| 07:02.05 | Snapser | the 1/2 symbol |
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| 07:02.41 | sarixe | Supaplex : want a paste? |
| 07:03.07 | sarixe | Supaplex : http://rafb.net/p/ToheGQ27.html |
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| 07:03.43 | Selanit | Ah, hell. I just found a mailing list posting from a couple of years ago suggesting that NOT implementing click-once-to-rename was actually a deliberate design decision. Apparently they were concerned that complete newbies would be confused by getting different functions depending on how fast you click. And nevermind that experienced users are going to be confused by NOT getting the same behavior as Windows or Gnome. Bah. |
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| 07:04.24 | sarixe | Selanit : or is it true that you're not experienced enough to expect that kind of behavior from kde? |
| 07:04.32 | sarixe | hehe |
| 07:04.39 | Selanit | :-) |
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| 07:04.57 | Selanit | Well heck |
| 07:05.11 | Supaplex | sarixe: your input chain defaults to DROP (which is very secure), so you'll need to accept traffic to port 80 on your system |
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| 07:05.31 | sarixe | Supaplex : yes, but port 80 is already open |
| 07:05.40 | Selanit | It's ALMOST enough to make me switch to gnome. I have to rename files an awful lot, and I want to do it the way I'm used to from other environments. |
| 07:06.18 | sarixe | Selanit : so just... right click and rename? |
| 07:06.29 | Selanit | That or press F2 |
| 07:06.35 | Selanit | For every single file. |
| 07:06.37 | Selanit | What a pain. |
| 07:06.37 | sarixe | right... |
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| 07:07.38 | Selanit | sarixe: Well, thanks anyway. I'd better go figure out whether I care enough to struggle through the C++ to add an option to make it do what I want. |
| 07:07.42 | Selanit | cya |
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| 07:07.56 | sarixe | Supaplex : i'm going to check my apache config, just to see if it's set to reject connections..? |
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| 07:09.16 | Supaplex | sarixe: that's too far up the stack to worry about. I'd save your rules iptables-save > rules.txt and flush+reset policies to ACCEPT long enough to confirm the issue. (and iptables-restore < rules.txt when done). it's the most clear cut way to isolate you vs isp. |
| 07:09.43 | sarixe | so how do i flush and reset policies? |
| 07:11.03 | Supaplex | man iptables? :) -P = policy, -t = table, -F = flush |
| 07:11.10 | sarixe | aye |
| 07:11.28 | Supaplex | when the builtin chains are all ACCEPT, you can ignore user created chains |
| 07:12.00 | Supaplex | if there's no rules in the builtin chains, other chains are immeterial (ignored) |
| 07:12.33 | Supaplex | ko12upt: why are you privmsging me about it? I have not focused on your issue. |
| 07:12.40 | ko12upt | okay sorry |
| 07:12.55 | Supaplex | ask before you pm someone (that's the polite way) |
| 07:13.10 | ko12upt | supaplex sorry again |
| 07:13.34 | sarixe | Supaplex : the thing is, i can access the http from other computers on my lan |
| 07:13.48 | Supaplex | no worries. just informing you how it works :) if noone answers, you're not being ignored. maybe we don't have the right info, or there's no time to answer then. |
| 07:13.48 | sarixe | but friends outside my lan can't access it |
| 07:14.01 | ko12upt | k |
| 07:14.35 | craig | How big is a minimal install of debian? |
| 07:14.37 | Supaplex | sarixe: ahh. that's a good clue. I'm leaning heavy to the isp filtering it, but if you reset iptables long enought to test+confirm, no doubt will remain. |
| 07:14.48 | sarixe | ok |
| 07:14.55 | sarixe | so then what do i do if the isp filters it? |
| 07:15.09 | sarixe | i guess i could run it on another port? |
| 07:15.12 | Supaplex | harass^H^H^H^H^H^H^H call them :) |
| 07:15.18 | sarixe | lolol |
| 07:15.18 | Supaplex | sure |
| 07:15.35 | Supaplex | maybe your user agreement prevents it or some nonsense |
| 07:15.59 | Supaplex | isp's are funny that way. it's like they own your piece of the internet, even though you're paying for it to... |
| 07:16.16 | sarixe | yeah... sucks |
| 07:16.25 | sarixe | i used to be able to run a webserver just fine |
| 07:16.50 | BaD_CrC | sarixe: if you have a residential account with your verizon, it's at the isp. most big name isps are blocking inbound port 80 on residential accounts to prevent servers of such. |
| 07:16.55 | Supaplex | I had fun annoying comcast. "Oh really? So what if your backbone providers decided your piece of the internet wasn't yours and filtered SMTP? that would suck for you right? you're paying them for it though!" |
| 07:16.59 | sarixe | BaD_CrC : then that's it |
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| 07:17.19 | Supaplex | anyway. :) |
| 07:18.15 | nvz | I can't figure out why when I come to wvu I can't ssh home.. however I can ssh into another box ouside my house in the same town on the same ISP, and then ssh from there to my box |
| 07:18.28 | nvz | it just times out if I try ssh directly to my machine from here |
| 07:18.34 | BaD_CrC | sarixe: i have a small business account with comcast, so i have all ports open and accessable from the isp end. when i had the residential account, i couldn't do much in the means of small servers. |
| 07:18.37 | nvz | using two ssh connections is silly |
| 07:18.54 | sarixe | mm, how much more per month would that be? |
| 07:19.00 | sarixe | and ... verizon even? |
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| 07:19.52 | BaD_CrC | sarixe: take a look at http://verizon.net/ and see their billing levels. it's been like 5 years since i lived on the east coast and had verizon. |
| 07:19.59 | sarixe | k |
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| 07:21.41 | nvz | anyone have a suggestion of what I can try the laptop I am on is on Vista using putty, I can't ssh into my home box (etch) from here, but I can ssh into a server I maintain (etch) then home |
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| 07:22.27 | sarixe | nvz: where's that server? |
| 07:22.40 | nvz | sarixe: in a building about half a block from my house |
| 07:22.47 | sarixe | same lan, by any chance? |
| 07:22.50 | nvz | sarixe: I am about 90 miles away |
| 07:22.56 | nvz | sarixe: no not even same building |
| 07:22.58 | sarixe | i mean the server and the home |
| 07:23.02 | sarixe | aright |
| 07:23.10 | Snapser | If a file on usenet is split xyz.mkv.01, xyz.mkv.02, etc, what do I use to join them? |
| 07:23.17 | sarixe | but then you think of my school... which has a lan spanning th county. |
| 07:23.17 | Supaplex | nvz: the wireless cable won't stretch? force it ;) |
| 07:23.22 | sarixe | the* |
| 07:23.26 | Supaplex | Snapser: cat ? |
| 07:23.35 | nvz | I can usually ssh home from anywhere, but for some reason when I am in wv I cant get in |
| 07:23.58 | sarixe | hm |
| 07:24.01 | sarixe | strange |
| 07:24.05 | sarixe | but you can ssh to that server? |
| 07:24.13 | Snapser | Supaplex, should work~ |
| 07:24.25 | nvz | I'm not understanding whats up.. cant be the router here, cause I can ssh into the server and cant be anything at home cause I can ssh home from the server location |
| 07:24.31 | Snapser | Supaplex, Example of use? |
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| 07:24.42 | nvz | I just cant get straight to my house from here for some reason |
| 07:25.05 | nvz | its annoying going through a public server to get to my house and attach my screen session |
| 07:25.21 | Supaplex | Snapser: cat xyz.mkv.* > xyz.mkv |
| 07:25.28 | stoned | nvz: what you doin up at this time |
| 07:25.35 | stoned | hehe, I fooled Supaplex |
| 07:25.36 | stoned | :D |
| 07:25.37 | Supaplex | nvz: tcptraceroute host 22 |
| 07:25.45 | stoned | good afternoon sir |
| 07:25.47 | stoned | hehehe |
| 07:26.03 | nvz | stoned: chillin in morgantown.. just got back from the bar.. just let my blunt go out from petting my cat |
| 07:26.19 | stoned | nvz: ohhhh sweet |
| 07:26.26 | stoned | i justwoke up, i went to bed at 7 |
| 07:26.53 | stoned | Supaplex: whats goinon |
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| 07:28.10 | nvz | just locked up irssi somehow |
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| 07:28.31 | nvz | doing sloppy screen commands something like C-a C-s or C-s |
| 07:28.47 | nvz | the ^q's werent helping |
| 07:29.00 | stoned | tokery time |
| 07:29.06 | nvz | anyhow this laptop I am on is running vista.. let me see what kind of traceroute it has |
| 07:29.23 | stoned | this is the only cure for my heartburn |
| 07:29.36 | Supaplex | nvz: oh my bad. |
| 07:29.45 | nvz | ok I fount a program called tracert |
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| 07:30.12 | nvz | the server and my pc at home are running etch |
| 07:30.35 | Supaplex | nvz: vista cure: www.goodbye-windows.com |
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| 07:30.38 | nvz | but I cant ssh from the vista box home without going to the server that's across town first then ssh to my house |
| 07:30.39 | stoned | Supaplex: good afternoon sir, you have been selected from our database, to recieve a cash prize. All we require from you, are your bank account details, and your sort code, and we can wire you the monies directly |
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| 07:30.48 | nvz | not my laptop |
| 07:30.59 | nvz | which is why I am trying to ssh home and use debian |
| 07:31.09 | nvz | but I don't want to go through a 3rd party |
| 07:31.22 | nvz | three is a crowd |
| 07:31.31 | stoned | that it is |
| 07:31.32 | Supaplex | nvz: linux in vmware-player? |
| 07:31.46 | stoned | colinux? |
| 07:31.48 | nvz | blah :P |
| 07:32.03 | Supaplex | apt-get install A-REAL-OS |
| 07:32.04 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 07:32.08 | stoned | Supaplex: you don't want to recieve a cash prize? |
| 07:32.13 | nvz | fuck the os.. heh |
| 07:32.21 | Supaplex | !nuke vista |
| 07:32.29 | Supaplex | YEAW! bye bye! |
| 07:32.29 | stoned | dude just boot a live cd |
| 07:32.32 | nvz | why can I ssh from a to b and from b to c but not a to c |
| 07:32.46 | Supaplex | nvz: well, try plain ole traceroute. let's see. |
| 07:32.59 | stoned | nvz: because ports are not properly forwarded if there is a router in the middle |
| 07:33.02 | nvz | I don't give a fuck about this pc or its os I wanna use my pc at home |
| 07:33.17 | nvz | stoned: there is a router at all three locations |
| 07:33.18 | Supaplex | BION, cmd supports &> redirection (I got it to work atleast once!) |
| 07:33.26 | stoned | for example, through my config, I ssh and get my laptop. from there i can ssh my desktop but i can't directly ssh my desktop |
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| 07:33.30 | Pupinoo | hi |
| 07:33.35 | Pupinoo | can anyone help me? |
| 07:33.39 | stoned | !ask |
| 07:33.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:33.42 | Supaplex | !tell Pupinoo -about ask |
| 07:33.47 | Pupinoo | ok |
| 07:34.05 | nvz | here (a) has a linksys wireless, (b) has linksys wired and (c) has a motorola sbg at home |
| 07:34.15 | Supaplex | Pupinoo: provided it's a debian question =) |
| 07:34.20 | nvz | they all are using cheap routers with firewalls |
| 07:34.24 | stoned | nvz: you need to make sure your networking is correct |
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| 07:34.45 | stoned | i should really run a dns server and forward traffic accordingly |
| 07:34.51 | nvz | but port 22 at home is forwarded to my pc.. I know this cause I am ssh into it |
| 07:34.54 | stoned | or use ipv6 |
| 07:34.57 | stoned | fucking nat |
| 07:35.22 | nvz | but for whatever reason I can only get to my house from somewhere on comcast in PA |
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| 07:35.52 | Supaplex | is this where I call the waaaaahmbulance? |
| 07:36.03 | stoned | lol |
| 07:36.15 | stoned | that wasn't very nie |
| 07:36.17 | stoned | nice* |
| 07:36.19 | Pupinoo | i have a problem with sources.list file; i need non free repository. That's it: http://rafb.net/p/FZDOsN24.html |
| 07:36.37 | Pupinoo | i have problem with that file |
| 07:36.46 | Supaplex | !tell Pupinoo -about sources.list |
| 07:36.51 | nvz | all three pcs are on comcast, just when I am in wv it never works for some unknown reason |
| 07:36.58 | Supaplex | !tell Pupinoo -about mirrors |
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| 07:37.14 | stoned | Pupinoo: you can actually specify all of them one line line |
| 07:37.15 | Supaplex | nvz: is your routing sane? |
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| 07:37.16 | Pupinoo | i dont see the link; and i closed dpkg :) |
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| 07:37.30 | Pupinoo | !tell Pupinoo -about mirrors |
| 07:37.33 | Supaplex | Pupinoo: /query dpkg sources.list mirrors |
| 07:37.35 | Pupinoo | !tell Pupinoo -about sources.list |
| 07:37.42 | stoned | Pupinoo: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 07:37.44 | Nigromante | hello world |
| 07:37.55 | nvz | Supaplex: like I say all three locations are just using cheap linksys broadband router boxes |
| 07:38.05 | stoned | Pupinoo: deb http://security.debian.org/debian etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:38.11 | Supaplex | Pupinoo: non-us is old skewl. |
| 07:38.14 | stoned | Pupinoo: two lines is all you need from deb |
| 07:38.28 | stoned | Pupinoo: thats it |
| 07:38.50 | stoned | you probably don't even need deb-src if you never download source packages |
| 07:38.59 | stoned | thats just extra time when doing 'update' |
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| 07:39.03 | Supaplex | nvz: ok, what if your NETMASK is too wide? your network will *assume* it's not for the router, and it'll never get there. try traceroute |
| 07:39.18 | maddash | I'm at a loss for uses for this wonderful 1Mbps wireless connection to the internet... |
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| 07:39.25 | Pupinoo | how i know if non free repository is working? |
| 07:39.31 | stoned | maddash: mininova |
| 07:39.42 | maddash | stoned: _legal_ uses. |
| 07:39.43 | nvz | Supaplex: try traceroute straight home from here? |
| 07:39.45 | Supaplex | Pupinoo: install something from non-free :) |
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| 07:39.58 | stoned | maddash: just don't download copyrighted stuff |
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| 07:40.08 | Supaplex | nvz: from the palace you want to reach ssh, but for some reason are not able to. |
| 07:40.16 | stoned | maddash: they do offer linux torrents as well.. free software and legal |
| 07:40.18 | Pupinoo | supaplex: for example? :) |
| 07:40.19 | Supaplex | maddash: cantenna |
| 07:40.27 | stoned | maddash: download the entire etch dvd set |
| 07:40.31 | Supaplex | !non-free |
| 07:40.32 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the DFSG. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 07:40.33 | maddash | stoned: rofl |
| 07:40.49 | stoned | maddash: download legal and free classical music |
| 07:40.50 | Supaplex | non-free ... hummm something non-free... |
| 07:40.56 | stoned | in cd format, lossless |
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| 07:41.04 | Pupinoo | what's the command for flashplayer |
| 07:41.05 | maddash | wonderful idea! |
| 07:41.17 | stoned | maddash: mininova has that too |
| 07:41.23 | gonzaloaf | hi, all days I'm having this issue: vino-server wants to access to the gnome-keyring and asks me for permission, then I run 'netstat' and I see that a weird truncated ip is listen on port 5900 http://pastebin.ca/698326 any clue? |
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| 07:41.42 | maddash | stoned: really? I got 0 results from "lang lang" |
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| 07:41.53 | stoned | i dunno wtf that is |
| 07:41.57 | Supaplex | !info flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:42.04 | maddash | stoned: no, no wait -- mispelling. |
| 07:42.08 | stoned | but mainstream classical is there, like Beethovan, Bach, Mozart |
| 07:42.21 | stoned | maddash: #music |
| 07:42.28 | Supaplex | maddash: http://www.knobtweakers.net |
| 07:42.37 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.48.0.2 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
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| 07:43.05 | stoned | !who |
| 07:43.05 | dpkg | who's on first!! |
| 07:43.14 | stoned | !where |
| 07:43.14 | dpkg | the INETRNET DAMNIT try freshmeat.net, linuxapps.com and tucows.com and then winge at /dev/null |
| 07:43.21 | Supaplex | haha |
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| 07:43.26 | VlaDar | hello here do anybody know something about etch install & 3Com 905 Nic card incompatibility ? |
| 07:43.33 | maddash | Supaplex: whoa. |
| 07:43.57 | stoned | dude |
| 07:43.58 | stoned | what |
| 07:44.06 | stoned | did you just say NIC card? |
| 07:44.08 | Nigromante | gonzaloaf, try netstat -ltup and find which program that pid belongs to, (try ps -ef ) |
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| 07:44.34 | Supaplex | stoned: yea, like a NIC network interface card controller |
| 07:44.41 | stoned | NIC == network interface card... nic card is network interface card card |
| 07:44.49 | Supaplex | hehehehe |
| 07:44.58 | VlaDar | something like that ... |
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| 07:45.07 | maddash | VlaDar: have you tried google? |
| 07:45.15 | VlaDar | yes :) |
| 07:45.17 | stoned | !3com |
| 07:45.18 | dpkg | [3com] "the microsoft of network hardware", it creates easy-to-use products (for windows) with lots of useless open ports and thus lots of stupid vulnerabilities. |
| 07:45.28 | Supaplex | 3com was one of the first cards supported in linux. geee wiz. |
| 07:45.29 | gonzaloaf | Nigromante, vino-server |
| 07:45.35 | Nigromante | ah ok |
| 07:45.50 | Supaplex | !factinfo 3com |
| 07:45.50 | dpkg | 3com -- created by d00d <dood@62-36-167-254.dialup.uni2.es> at Sun May 20 20:28:18 2001 (2308 days); it has been requested 15 times, last by stoned, 33s ago. |
| 07:45.56 | maddash | VlaDar: all you need for ""linux compatibility" is the appropriate driver for that nic |
| 07:45.59 | Nigromante | do you have it at cron or start up? |
| 07:46.59 | VlaDar | maddash, normaly ... this card is very well supported ... I already've been using it on my sarge |
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| 07:47.04 | nvz | Supaplex: idk man, the first trace is to my home where I cannot ssh to from here, and the second is to the box I am ssh into now then into my home box from running irc on right now http://rafb.net/p/OGf8mC79.html |
| 07:47.13 | maddash | VlaDar: then you shouldn't have a problem |
| 07:47.29 | VlaDar | maddash, that is my problem :) |
| 07:47.33 | nvz | Supaplex: however I made it to the location I cant ssh to, and can't seem to make it to the one I can ssh to |
| 07:47.52 | maddash | VlaDar: what module interfaced with your nic in sarge? |
| 07:48.00 | nvz | seems like the problem is with the router here obviously |
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| 07:48.08 | nvz | just not sure what the problem is |
| 07:48.22 | stoned | nvz: told ya |
| 07:48.23 | Supaplex | nvz: try telnet. see if you get an ssh banner. OR, try ssh -vvvvv host |
| 07:48.28 | VlaDar | maddash, dont realy knox, think that's 3C909x |
| 07:48.35 | stoned | 5vs? |
| 07:48.36 | stoned | damn |
| 07:48.38 | VlaDar | << know |
| 07:48.44 | Nigromante | gonzaloaf, if you dont use that program uninstall it |
| 07:48.54 | mzuverink | what version does ubuntu use to make its distro's, testing or unstable |
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| 07:49.09 | gonzaloaf | Nigromante, I use it |
| 07:49.19 | nvz | Supaplex: I think the best I can do is the putty event log.. |
| 07:49.21 | maddash | VlaDar: look through your sarge logs, particularly dmesg and syslog, for traces of your NIC. |
| 07:49.37 | VlaDar | maddash, ok thanks |
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| 07:50.43 | Nigromante | well, it must be a port used by the program, whats the problem then? |
| 07:51.06 | nvz | 2007-09-15 03:50:47Network error: Connection timed out |
| 07:51.19 | nvz | is the gist of the four lines in the event log |
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| 07:51.31 | Rat409 | lsmod | grep 3com or 3cxx? |
| 07:51.48 | maddash | lsmod|grep -i com |
| 07:51.54 | Rat409 | yuh |
| 07:52.07 | Rat409 | sorry very early here utc -5 |
| 07:52.46 | Supaplex | VlaDar: look: |
| 07:52.47 | Supaplex | !3com |
| 07:52.47 | dpkg | methinks 3com is 2.6.xx > Device Drivers > Network device support > Ethernet 10 or 100Mbit > 3COM cards. including 3c501,3,5,7,9 3c529 3c579 3c515 3c590/3c900 "592/595/597" + 3cr990 - or in PCMCIA 3c589 3c574 |
| 07:53.12 | Supaplex | VlaDar: I would hope most of those are available in debian installer. what card is it? is it pci? isa? |
| 07:53.12 | nvz | Supaplex: the tracert makes it there every time with the 2nd and 2nd to last hop being a timeout |
| 07:53.34 | Supaplex | nvz: it's not unusual for one or two hops it drop traceroute |
| 07:53.37 | Nyle | tracert? |
| 07:53.40 | Nyle | you on windows? |
| 07:53.43 | Nyle | shame on you |
| 07:53.45 | VlaDar | Supaplex, pci 3C905-TX-M |
| 07:53.48 | maddash | VlaDar: if it was supported by sarge's kernel, it's almost definitely going to work in etch+'s kernel. so no worries. |
| 07:53.50 | Supaplex | nvz: tcptraceroute is more definitive |
| 07:54.15 | nvz | Supaplex: yeah but happens every time like I just showed you.. times out at last hop indefinately on the host I can ssh to, and same way I just described on the one I cant |
| 07:54.29 | nvz | Supaplex: I can look in gnuwin32 for that maybe |
| 07:54.35 | Supaplex | VlaDar: the 3c509b I had a while ago worked fine. I'm just not sure if those drivers are in d-i. I would hope so. What's the symptomps of your supposed incompatibility? |
| 07:54.37 | nvz | I think its got nmap and all that |
| 07:54.39 | VlaDar | maddash, it was OK with sarge, im am using etch netinstall dics right now |
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| 07:55.14 | Supaplex | VlaDar: is sarge still installed? |
| 07:55.39 | VlaDar | Supaplex, just can't get ip from dhcp, when i manualy set it (the ip) it can't reach deb repositories |
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| 07:56.04 | VlaDar | Supaplex, non sarge is no more installed |
| 07:56.14 | maddash | VlaDar: so your problem's with TCP/IP, not the hardware |
| 07:56.29 | Supaplex | VlaDar: try pinging the router/gateway (shame on you for not dist-upgrading) |
| 07:56.37 | Nyle | hey |
| 07:56.45 | Nyle | what the fuck is this netauthority bullshit |
| 07:56.56 | Nyle | are they trying to govern the internet ? |
| 07:57.02 | maddash | Supaplex: why the shame? |
| 07:57.21 | Supaplex | because debian supports it? |
| 07:57.23 | VlaDar | maddash, it's possible, but I have 2 other PC on the same network, dhcp id working fine, & I can ping the box I'am installing |
| 07:58.02 | Supaplex | not heavy shame. more like too bad you can't do it the eaiser way. |
| 07:58.07 | VlaDar | but it seems slow |
| 07:58.35 | Supaplex | Nyle: they? you speak of someone I don't know of. |
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| 07:59.08 | VlaDar | Supaplex, there is no ping comment on debian installer .... |
| 07:59.16 | VlaDar | Supaplex, there is no ping commAND on debian installer .... |
| 07:59.24 | Supaplex | yeah i get it. |
| 07:59.32 | Supaplex | ugh. |
| 08:00.06 | VlaDar | could be just DNS not set properly .... |
| 08:00.22 | maddash | VlaDar: aptitude install iputils-ping |
| 08:00.23 | Supaplex | does dhcp assign it? |
| 08:00.36 | Supaplex | maddash: does that work on an installer cd? |
| 08:01.07 | maddash | VlaDar: er, replace "aptitude install" with "wget [blah] ; dpkg -i [blah]" |
| 08:01.26 | maddash | VlaDar: do it inside /target, though |
| 08:01.36 | maddash | VlaDar: after the base installation has finished |
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| 08:02.05 | Supaplex | cat /proc/partitions to see if they're there |
| 08:02.07 | VlaDar | ok |
| 08:02.15 | Supaplex | (if you're having trouble with that) |
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| 08:02.42 | ko12upt | supaplex part of my code lol |
| 08:03.19 | ko12upt | supaplex your the fin man ohmy god thank you |
| 08:03.38 | Supaplex | ? |
| 08:03.41 | maddash | "supaplex...ohmy god" -- haha. |
| 08:04.00 | ko12upt | why didnt i think of that run the damn cat /proc/partitions in the console to check where the god darn partitions are at roll my boat gently down the stream crap might be some waterfalls |
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| 08:04.35 | ko12upt | 0 and 1 well looky here mr boss man okay so the cylin starts on 0 woot |
| 08:05.06 | maddash | ko12upt: let me introduce you to my two friends, "," and "." |
| 08:05.12 | ko12upt | 0=sda and 1=what was that oh sda1 that must be my swap. |
| 08:05.41 | ko12upt | maddash let me introduce you to my friend the sleeping pill night night now :P |
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| 08:06.21 | Nyle | weirdo |
| 08:06.28 | ko12upt | have one of my friends, then dream about your two friends., |
| 08:06.35 | Supaplex | file -sk $(tail -n +3 /proc/partitions | awk '{print "/dev/"$4}') |
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| 08:08.02 | maddash | ko12upt: i could really use one right about now |
| 08:08.37 | ko12upt | both writable supaplex could you assist me, i need a command to display sda0 and sda1 what they are doing one boot one swap. or one boot / and one swap etc |
| 08:09.05 | ko12upt | lol sorry maddash i dun have one ate them all like candy. Now i am in need of one |
| 08:09.51 | maddash | ko12upt: if you could rephrase your question more clearly, i think i could help you. |
| 08:09.59 | ko12upt | so ie:0 sda *boot / and 1 sda1 swap |
| 08:10.04 | Supaplex | ko12upt: I agree with maddash. |
| 08:10.06 | Supaplex | !confuse ko12upt |
| 08:10.06 | dpkg | Yes, them is my gerbil today, ko12upt? trousers of the people's republic of micronesia with extra cream |
| 08:10.20 | Supaplex | hehe awesome. |
| 08:10.23 | ko12upt | sure |
| 08:10.28 | ko12upt | lol |
| 08:11.48 | nvz | Supaplex: I cant traceroute from here to the vista laptop I am on at all that ip we got seems weird 67.163.161.0 |
| 08:11.49 | Supaplex | s/rts/rsts/ |
| 08:12.05 | Supaplex | nvz: ipv5 huh? |
| 08:12.09 | maddash | ROFL |
| 08:12.11 | maddash | ipv5 |
| 08:12.18 | Supaplex | 5 octets.... |
| 08:12.31 | Supaplex | unless it's a port number. :P |
| 08:12.39 | nvz | Supaplex: wth is ipv5 :P |
| 08:12.44 | Supaplex | then it's 67.163.161:0 - but that's hardly normal. |
| 08:13.02 | Supaplex | mostly a joke. |
| 08:13.04 | ko12upt | umm okay need a echo command that displays something like this 0 sda *boot / : 1 sda1 swap swap |
| 08:13.20 | nvz | Supaplex: thats the ip this linksys router got from the modem |
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| 08:13.39 | Supaplex | ko12upt: ohh, I'd write a shell script for that. |
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| 08:13.49 | maddash | ko12upt: echo "0 sda *boot / : 1 sda1 swap swap" |
| 08:13.56 | ko12upt | rofl |
| 08:14.26 | ko12upt | dying okay i need a command to tell me how my harddrive is partitioned |
| 08:14.28 | nvz | I'll see if I dhcp renew if it will give me something else.. |
| 08:14.34 | Supaplex | ko12upt: NetEcho is 50% more authoritative then I in this dept. it's his middle name :) |
| 08:14.47 | ko12upt | :) |
| 08:14.50 | maddash | ko12upt: seriously, what do you want? a line taken from fstab? like, `/dev/sda9 swap [...]`? |
| 08:15.17 | Supaplex | ko12upt: did you try the one liner I posted earlier? it's not the same format, but it gives you an idea. |
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| 08:15.30 | Supaplex | file -sk $(tail -n +3 /proc/partitions | awk '{print "/dev/"$4}') |
| 08:15.33 | maddash | ko12upt: ah, `aptitude install parted ; man parted` and/or `aptitude install fdisk ; fdisk -l /dev/sda ; man fdisk` |
| 08:15.45 | ko12upt | yes that was nice |
| 08:15.48 | ko12upt | aww okay |
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| 08:16.00 | candyban__ | Hi guys |
| 08:16.19 | maddash | Supaplex: believe it or not, /proc/partitions also throws up device mapper gunk |
| 08:16.35 | ko12upt | ur the man |
| 08:16.50 | NetEcho | hrm? |
| 08:16.55 | candyban__ | Probably one of the most stupid questions: Which kernel should I use with AMD Sempron 3200+? (according to what I know it should be K8) ... would that be kernel-image-amd64 or would that be just 686? |
| 08:17.01 | Supaplex | maddash: well, it's a one-liner, not a fine tuned shell script. but yeah. |
| 08:17.09 | maddash | candyban__: amd64? |
| 08:17.34 | Supaplex | !eat candyban__'s tail |
| 08:17.38 | maddash | candyban__: assuming a) that you want optimization and b) sempron is, in fact, amd64 architecture |
| 08:18.08 | Supaplex | and I had to buy just before they went sempron. *sniff* |
| 08:18.12 | candyban__ | clflush size : 64 |
| 08:18.16 | geo-rge | candyban__: you can use the amd64 or else the minimum i386 or 486 |
| 08:18.19 | SF7 | I can't mkdir /proc/bus/usb -- do I have to make the parent folders writeable? |
| 08:18.22 | Supaplex | I feel like a mac loser. ;) |
| 08:18.39 | SF7 | ie im in /proc/bus/ |
| 08:18.40 | Supaplex | SF7: mkdir has -p if that's what you were looking for. |
| 08:18.52 | maddash | Supaplex: you're on a mac? |
| 08:19.00 | candyban__ | maddash: I'm not that familiar with AMD products ... this is why I'm asking |
| 08:19.03 | Supaplex | SF7: oh, proc. not dev. mmmm is usb loaded? |
| 08:19.15 | Supaplex | maddash: I have lots of different toys here. |
| 08:19.17 | maddash | candyban__: then google sempron [blah]. your job, not ours. |
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| 08:19.31 | geo-rge | SF7: the system should make those dirs. btw, /proc isn't on any disk, so if you do that it won't last thru a reboot |
| 08:19.39 | frosch | Hi, does somebody know which font xterm is using on debian? (default installation, nothing modified) Or how I could determine which font it is using? (~/.Xdefaults/resources are empty) |
| 08:19.56 | SF7 | this is so strange. my /proc/bus/ does not have a /usb -- so I am having to follow the documentation to create it manually |
| 08:19.58 | nvz | Supaplex: this is the dhcp reply I get from here |
| 08:20.04 | candyban__ | maddash: it says it's K8 ... I only find K7 in kernels ... and AMD64 is supposedly for opterons ... so where is K8 architecture ? |
| 08:20.09 | maddash | SF7: are your usb modules loaded? |
| 08:20.11 | mhall | SF7: i don't think that's going to do the job bro |
| 08:20.18 | nvz | http://rafb.net/p/Zu4vhN96.html |
| 08:20.20 | SF7 | ( I just recompiled my kernel - that is why I don't have usb support ) |
| 08:20.20 | mhall | candyban__: woah hold up bro |
| 08:20.26 | maddash | frosch: guess and check: `xfontsel` |
| 08:20.28 | geo-rge | I think k8 is amd64 |
| 08:20.34 | mhall | candyban__: you gotta understand whats going on here |
| 08:20.50 | mhall | candyban__: you have have an i386 k8 kernel or an amd64 k8 kernel |
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| 08:20.54 | Supaplex | dpkg: (5.1-2.3)+(8.4-6.4) |
| 08:20.55 | dpkg | 4.8 |
| 08:21.03 | mhall | candyban__: the same cpu can run in both modes |
| 08:21.07 | maddash | SF7: er, did you explicitly kill off the usb config defines? |
| 08:21.15 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.16 | frosch | maddash: I guess that means that the only way is to check all fonts on the system and look if something looks similiar/the same? |
| 08:21.48 | SF7 | maddash -- I don't understand that, so the answer is probably no |
| 08:21.50 | mhall | SF7: hmm let me think on that... i think i *do* remember creating one a while ago after a manual upgrade to the first kernel which included the usb fs |
| 08:22.03 | maddash | frosch: or, you could `man xterm`, or `wget http://google.com/search?q=xterm+fonts` |
| 08:22.05 | mhall | SF7: so maybe it's not totally unbelievable |
| 08:22.15 | candyban__ | I'll just install the amd64 kernel and see what happens |
| 08:22.17 | Supaplex | candyban__: I run -686 on my amd xp+ 2600 |
| 08:22.26 | mhall | SF7: try creating it drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 0 Sep 8 13:15 usb |
| 08:22.30 | SF7 | why can I not create a folder using mkdir? |
| 08:22.32 | Supaplex | not that I might/should use something else. |
| 08:22.34 | maddash | SF7: then you probably have usb support. `lsmod|grep usb` |
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| 08:22.42 | mhall | candyban__: paste the package name and let us double check |
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| 08:23.19 | Supaplex | SF7: mkdir in /proc is unsupported. procfs is a virtual file system. |
| 08:23.20 | geo-rge | SF7: how do you know yuour drivers for the usb works, and especially the one that builds up this filesystem you're supposed to mount? do you know for sure that's working |
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| 08:23.21 | mhall | SF7: what happens if you just mount the damn thing without creating |
| 08:23.24 | candyban__ | mhall: linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 08:23.43 | jair | openoffice.org! |
| 08:23.44 | SF7 | it fails, says the directory does not exist |
| 08:23.51 | Supaplex | Aliosa27: did you attend UTOSC? |
| 08:23.54 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.55 | jair | openoffice! |
| 08:23.59 | jair | oo! |
| 08:24.02 | candyban__ | linux-image-2.6.22-2-amd64 (if you want the full package and not the virtual package) |
| 08:24.10 | jair | !openoffice |
| 08:24.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org, or ask me about <openoffice.org amd64> |
| 08:24.10 | mhall | candyban__: yeah i think that apt-get will keep you from installing the i386 amd64 kernel on amd64 and the amd64 amd64 kernel on i385 |
| 08:24.10 | Supaplex | SF7: no point. it'll be masked after mount. |
| 08:24.16 | mhall | candyban__: so i think you should most probably be ok |
| 08:24.32 | SF7 | but if I do mkdir usb , it fails like this: 'mkdir: cannot create directory 'usb': no such file or directory |
| 08:24.37 | mhall | SF7: i think maybe when i tried it, the kernel made the directory work by itself once i did the mount |
| 08:24.39 | Aliosa27 | Supaplex: No I had to work..sucked |
| 08:24.55 | mhall | SF7: just paste this to your fstab if it's not there and give it a try... one sec |
| 08:25.07 | SF7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.09 | Supaplex | SF7: did you miss the part about: mkdir on procfs is UNsupported? - it's by design. |
| 08:25.29 | Supaplex | Aliosa27: #utos #utah |
| 08:25.33 | mhall | SF7: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 |
| 08:25.52 | mhall | SF7: dude chillax... this filesystem is special and a little bit weird |
| 08:26.12 | Supaplex | proc (5) - process information pseudo-filesystem |
| 08:26.15 | VlaDar | maddash, Supaplex : it's realy a nic problem, I replaced 3COM card by a Realtek one and my box got ip from dhcp .... may be a good idea to submit bug .... |
| 08:26.15 | mhall | SF7: try adding that to fstab and then try mount /proc/bus/usb and see how it works out |
| 08:26.18 | maddash | is it such a good idea to be tweaking with fstab like that? |
| 08:26.26 | SF7 | Supa: yes I did miss that. |
| 08:26.40 | frosch | maddash: thanks, I already checked the manpage and it talks mostly about abstract font classes (tiny, large, ..) and not about which particular font it is using. thats probably because it uses whatever the mono/serif font the system can offer... but maybe I missed it. thanks anyway |
| 08:26.52 | mhall | maddash: i don't think it's a problem so long as you don't set the fsck number and make the boot screw up |
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| 08:27.06 | mhall | maddash: back when usbfs first existed i needed that line to make it work |
| 08:27.07 | Supaplex | VlaDar: btw, most 3com's are life-time warranty. if you want it replaced, call them and ask about it. |
| 08:27.21 | mhall | maddash: of course it's probably good to have a backup copy ;-) |
| 08:27.36 | Supaplex | backup? what's that? ;) |
| 08:27.40 | VlaDar | Supaplex, ok :) |
| 08:27.43 | mhall | Supaplex: lol *SO* true |
| 08:27.55 | mhall | Supaplex: one of our interns deleted his whole summer... @#$%ing pothead |
| 08:28.02 | SF7 | Supa: so I cannot create a folder in /proc/ as it is a virtual file system.. that makes sense! |
| 08:28.04 | maddash | mhall: backup copy is useless if you do screw his boot-up through fstab |
| 08:28.07 | Supaplex | mhall: *ouch* |
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| 08:28.26 | Supaplex | SF7: correct! |
| 08:28.27 | mhall | maddash: not entirely true... this is why there is tomsrtbt, knoppix, etc. |
| 08:28.38 | Supaplex | and debian-live |
| 08:28.44 | mhall | maddash: and of course you have got the install CD |
| 08:28.58 | mhall | Supaplex: sweet... last i knew it didnt really work well yet |
| 08:29.00 | Supaplex | oh and U3 usb flash drives. heck yeah. |
| 08:29.04 | mhall | Supaplex: i gotta go mess with that man |
| 08:29.12 | Supaplex | mhall: blame me. I fixed a few things. |
| 08:29.15 | maddash | mhall: if you can manage to reinstate the backup, then you can also delete the offending line from fstab directly |
| 08:29.29 | maddash | Supaplex: 'u3'? |
| 08:29.29 | Supaplex | mhall: like grub booting on cd. :) |
| 08:29.42 | mhall | Supaplex: we often use PXEBOOT to get out of trouble @ hp |
| 08:29.46 | Supaplex | maddash: usb flash stick with usb-cdrom emulation of an iso image |
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| 08:29.57 | mhall | Supaplex: we have a couple of real pros at pxeboot |
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| 08:30.13 | Supaplex | yes pxeboot is sweet to :) |
| 08:30.15 | maddash | Supaplex: and this works with all usb drives? how much mem do you need? |
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| 08:30.42 | Supaplex | maddash: it's a "u3" feature. it looks like a usb cdrom+flash when plugged in. |
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| 08:31.38 | maddash | cool |
| 08:31.48 | Supaplex | very :) |
| 08:32.03 | DustyBin | if i bought a 100 / 1000 switch, and i changed all my NICs to 100 / 1000 speed, could linux operate in that fast speed on a LAN ? |
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| 08:32.07 | Nyle | I mounted a samba share as smbfs and I can't write to it. I am loggedin as the user, server config is allowed the share to be written to |
| 08:32.19 | mhall | Supaplex: supposedly the pxeboot stack in many cards is somewhat brain-damaged |
| 08:32.20 | Nyle | what else can I check |
| 08:32.39 | Supaplex | DustyBin: my 300mhz geode keeps with with 100mbit at 0.4 loadavg. sure, why not? |
| 08:32.46 | Nyle | i can however write to it if its not mounted through smbfs |
| 08:32.48 | mhall | Supaplex: so the pxeboot pros (not our pros, the inventors) all got together and wrote a pxeboot that loaded pxeboot |
| 08:32.48 | maddash | Nyle: write permissions? |
| 08:32.52 | Supaplex | mhall: you mean "dain brammaged" |
| 08:32.54 | Nyle | perms are fine |
| 08:32.59 | mhall | Supaplex: then the good pxeboot loaded the OS |
| 08:32.59 | Serge_K | really?:) |
| 08:33.00 | Nyle | mhall: hey |
| 08:33.19 | mhall | Nyle: i think your problem might be client-side |
| 08:33.20 | Supaplex | mhall: hah. I use pxegrub. :) |
| 08:33.24 | DustyBin | Supaplex: what do you use your 300mhz geode for? |
| 08:33.27 | Nyle | mhall: iti s |
| 08:33.38 | Nyle | mhall: hold on |
| 08:33.40 | mhall | Nyle: i suggest looking at the uid and gid mount options |
| 08:33.51 | mhall | Nyle: or look at using CIFS with unix extensions if both ends are unix |
| 08:34.09 | Supaplex | DustyBin: openwrt router. ~20 clients. http://pyroclastic.daxal.com/specs.html multiple subnets (it routes for those) |
| 08:34.11 | Nyle | $>//LAPTOP/stoned /home/stoned/Laptop smbfs username=stoned,password=*****,rw 0 0 |
| 08:34.18 | Nyle | this is my fstab entry |
| 08:34.21 | DustyBin | cool |
| 08:34.28 | Nyle | i can't write to it! |
| 08:34.58 | DustyBin | Supaplex: im thinking about building a little firewall, similar to this running pfsense: http://m0n0.ch/wall/gallery/244.jpg |
| 08:35.04 | mhall | Nyle: i'm pretty sure you need uid=stoned,gid=stoned |
| 08:35.10 | Nyle | ij |
| 08:35.12 | Nyle | ok |
| 08:35.14 | mhall | Nyle: give it a quick try and let me know what happens |
| 08:35.49 | DustyBin | Supaplex: using this board, http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2b3.htm |
| 08:36.25 | Supaplex | DustyBin: ahh cool. |
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| 08:36.26 | Nyle | shouldn't it be 1000 |
| 08:36.26 | Nyle | which is my user id according to passwd |
| 08:36.30 | Nyle | uid/guid 1000 or actually 'stoned' |
| 08:36.49 | Nyle | sick |
| 08:36.54 | Nyle | heh |
| 08:37.17 | xingu | debian installer should randomise that uid rather than picking the next in sequence |
| 08:37.41 | jamei | hi. if sun 'opensourced java' (they released it under the gpl), why are sun java packages still in [non-free]? |
| 08:37.41 | Supaplex | let's all uuid uid/gids! |
| 08:37.51 | xingu | every single debian box built since god knows when has uid=1000 being predictably valid and predicably the system owner. |
| 08:38.06 | Supaplex | jamei: only the name is opensourced? (joke) |
| 08:38.39 | Guerin | jamei: it's not quite there yet. |
| 08:38.42 | frosch | maddash: Hi again, I just wanted to let you know that the font xterm is using can be found in the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias under the alias :fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1) thanks! |
| 08:38.50 | Nyle | rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 did the trick |
| 08:38.51 | Nyle | thanks |
| 08:38.51 | Supaplex | cool. konqueror supports the same ui as the mac for zoomin/out. ctrl+mousewheel |
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| 08:38.54 | jamei | Supaplex: lol. if only mozilla were so kind |
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| 08:39.09 | Nyle | I didn't try 'stoned as uid/gid |
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| 08:39.16 | Guerin | jamei: i'd rather mozilla's approach than sun's. Let them keep their silly name, let us have the code. |
| 08:39.35 | Supaplex | heck yeah. |
| 08:39.46 | jamei | Guerin: can you elaborate? |
| 08:39.49 | Guerin | right, off to drink a bottle of port with some good old chaps |
| 08:40.07 | Supaplex | as for java? I really don't know. I thought it was because the cutoff was after etch was frozen. (but I don't think that's why) |
| 08:40.22 | mhall | Nyle: fortunately it translates the text ones to the numbers for you if they are valid according to getpwent() |
| 08:40.33 | Guerin | jamei: mozilla code is free. Sun's isn't (entirely). That's more important than a name whichever way you slice it (unless you're a marketer). |
| 08:40.42 | mhall | Nyle: anyways if 1000 works for you that's cool too |
| 08:41.25 | jamei | Guerin: do you know any articles where I could read about this? |
| 08:41.29 | mhall | jamei: not all of the java code is totally free yet |
| 08:41.43 | mhall | jamei: they used some stuff from third parties like font drawing code in Swing |
| 08:41.49 | Supaplex | jamei: I hear this internet thing should have it ;) |
| 08:42.02 | Guerin | jamei: for java, not off the top of my head. For mozilla, /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 08:42.04 | mhall | jamei: so until the opensourcers have overwritten that with substitutes parts are under the previous semi-free license |
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| 08:42.17 | Guerin | ah, mhall is an article |
| 08:42.20 | mhall | jamei: which allows us to redistribute but not quite totally normally |
| 08:42.23 | Supaplex | ahhh good point |
| 08:42.24 | mhall | Guerin: what'd i do? |
| 08:42.31 | jamei | mhall: thanks |
| 08:42.33 | Guerin | mhall: you articulated. |
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| 08:42.51 | Guerin | anyway, time for bong hits and buses |
| 08:42.54 | mhall | lol it's because i develop a java based network management system but don't work for Sun |
| 08:42.57 | Guerin | g'night kids |
| 08:43.04 | mhall | so it's important to keep up with everything related to licensing |
| 08:43.11 | mhall | because it affects what i can develop and how |
| 08:43.41 | VlaDar | CU all* |
| 08:43.52 | jamei | yeah these companies like to make things complicated for us |
| 08:43.54 | mhall | Supaplex: you are one scatalogical sob tonite |
| 08:43.55 | SF7 | can I list all of the recent commands I typed into the console? |
| 08:43.59 | xingu | mhall: which one? |
| 08:44.00 | mhall | jamei: no @#$%ing kidding |
| 08:44.06 | xingu | mhall: if you don't mind me asking :) |
| 08:44.12 | mhall | jamei: if it wasnt for such BS i could get 10x as much done |
| 08:44.18 | mhall | xingu: hewlett-packard company |
| 08:44.23 | Supaplex | mhall: I know. it's impulsive or something. :P |
| 08:44.57 | xingu | mhall: aah; I'm assuming not VPO or NNM |
| 08:45.12 | mhall | xingu: no i work in the procurve networking business |
| 08:45.41 | xingu | mhall: neat; I've got about one of everything at work except procurve |
| 08:45.52 | mhall | xingu: i write snmp security device drivers, and work on sflow traffic sampling, specifically network behavior anomaly detection |
| 08:46.02 | mhall | xingu: too bad :-( |
| 08:46.04 | mhall | xingu: ;-) |
| 08:46.47 | xingu | mhall: neat; I'll go chasing; we're a cisco shop hence not really having given hp's suite a look in since the early 90's |
| 08:47.03 | mhall | xingu: we have got a new core switch out this week |
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| 08:47.08 | xingu | mhall: I know :) |
| 08:47.11 | mhall | xingu: meant to compete with the 6500 |
| 08:47.38 | xingu | mhall: cell based as well? |
| 08:48.20 | mhall | xingu: we do routing using TCAM |
| 08:48.38 | mhall | xingu: so once the initial learn is done there is no software manual routing to do |
| 08:49.31 | xingu | mhall: *nod*; for one of our projects we had to basically reverse engineer the 6500+sup720bxl |
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| 08:49.49 | mhall | xingu: what kind of project? |
| 08:49.50 | xingu | mhall: in the end vendor c just put one of their DE's on site. |
| 08:50.39 | mhall | our usual philosophy is making everything appear like a normal ethernet switch but smarter |
| 08:51.33 | nvz | I've heard people say barking tree spiders as a joke but I swear there are some out here tonight |
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| 08:52.01 | liable | some spiders do indeed bark |
| 08:52.04 | nvz | I hear crickets and I hear little barks or quacks of some kind comming from the trees |
| 08:52.13 | liable | gheckos do to |
| 08:52.18 | gimmeapill | Hi, I removed by mistake my network interface (the device - not the entry in the /etc/network/interfaces), anybody has an idea how to reconfigure it ? |
| 08:52.21 | liable | dunno if you get there |
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| 08:52.44 | nvz | i've never heard anything like it but its funny they are all different pitches |
| 08:53.06 | Thurin1 | What's the best Gnutella/P2P client for Linux? |
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| 08:53.24 | gimmeapill | ifconfig cannot help, it says "interface not found" |
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| 08:53.31 | mhall | Thurin1: specifically gnutella? |
| 08:53.36 | mhall | Thurin1: or in general |
| 08:53.36 | AnAnt | Hello, where can I find acrobat reader package ? |
| 08:53.50 | mhall | Thurin1: i usually recommend azureus for bittorrent |
| 08:53.51 | Thurin1 | mhall, Well in general, except for torrent clients that is |
| 08:53.56 | mhall | Thurin1: nictotine if you like soulseek |
| 08:54.04 | liable | gimmeapill: ifconfig -a , anything show up? |
| 08:54.06 | mhall | Thurin1: nicotine* |
| 08:54.15 | Thurin1 | nicotine is no good - I cannot get much documents on that |
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| 08:54.24 | mhall | Thurin1: yeah that's mostly for tunes |
| 08:54.38 | Thurin1 | aMule for instance finds a lot of texts.. but it almost never will start to download them :| |
| 08:54.42 | candyban__ | wow ... amd64 kernel really makes my system fly (or it's the improvements in the 2.6.22 kernel) |
| 08:54.44 | gimmeapill | liable: just the loopback, it's really gone |
| 08:54.45 | Thurin1 | Great results horrible downloads :P |
| 08:55.08 | liable | gimmeapill: you saying you removed the actuall card? |
| 08:55.54 | gimmeapill | i did not, the device is just not found anymore, seems to be a side effet of messing with bootcd |
| 08:56.17 | liable | gimmeapill: what chip is it? |
| 08:56.35 | gimmeapill | broadcom 44xx |
| 08:56.39 | gimmeapill | notebook |
| 08:56.57 | liable | gimmeapill: does it show up in lspci and is the driver loaded? |
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| 08:57.41 | gimmeapill | liable: didn't hink of that, thx |
| 08:57.45 | gimmeapill | yep shows up |
| 08:58.06 | liable | and the module? |
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| 08:59.50 | null | Hello, all time I see |
| 08:59.52 | null | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 08:59.58 | gimmeapill | liable: doesn't show up, that's a good track |
| 08:59.58 | null | how to fix it? |
| 09:00.48 | liable | lsof /var.cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 09:00.53 | liable | lsof /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
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| 09:01.12 | liable | kill that process, or check your other terms :P |
| 09:01.16 | Farhenheit | Hello everybody, I'v got a little problem under xfce, when I try to umount an amovible media with thunar, thunar said me that he faills because hal can't open /media/.hal-mtab. I'm using pmount + hal + usbmount + ivman and udev. Any idea ? |
| 09:02.01 | infinity0 | what does the s in srwxrwxrwx mean? socket file? |
| 09:02.17 | infinity0 | and also what about the t in rwx-wx-wt? |
| 09:02.23 | Farhenheit | infinity0 : set uid bit |
| 09:02.54 | infinity0 | Farhenheit: i thought that was when s replaces the x bit? |
| 09:04.01 | mhall | infinity0: s is more like suid |
| 09:04.08 | mhall | infinity0: t is sticky bit |
| 09:04.17 | Farhenheit | infinity : the set uid bit doesn't replace any other bit, see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid |
| 09:04.28 | mhall | infinity0: which makes it so you must have write permission on dir and on file to delete file |
| 09:04.32 | infinity0 | oh |
| 09:04.38 | mhall | infinity0: normal unix only requires write on dir to delete file |
| 09:04.44 | infinity0 | oh ok |
| 09:04.49 | mhall | infinity0: but double check me on the sticky bit... you can google to confirm |
| 09:04.57 | infinity0 | right kk. thanks |
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| 09:07.42 | abchirk | !ops Serial spam on join some porn sites... |
| 09:07.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abchirk complains about: Serial spam on join some porn sites... |
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| 09:08.33 | gimmeapill | liable: it works, fixed by a simple 'modprobe -i b44' - thx a zillion time :-) |
| 09:08.40 | liable | gimmeapill: cool |
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| 09:09.45 | gimmeapill | so, i'm gonna stay here for a while, just in case i can help somebody |
| 09:09.54 | deisys | sometimes, apt-get doesn't make configuration files or directory like /etc/xxxx, |
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| 09:10.28 | deisys | I did apt-get install postgresql-8.1, and it doesn't make /etc/postgres directory ... Hmm.. |
| 09:10.49 | deisys | I can make it manually, but why apt-get didn't make it for me ? |
| 09:10.49 | liable | deisys: have you deleted that directory in the past? |
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| 09:11.03 | deisys | No, I just installed debian-etch |
| 09:11.17 | deisys | and did it right after |
| 09:12.04 | deisys | In this case, is there a way to make apt-get do what i want cleverly ?? |
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| 09:16.58 | liable | postgresql-8.1 isnt in etch |
| 09:17.06 | Thurin1 | Where are the kernel headers kept? |
| 09:17.10 | liable | did you install postgresql-common? |
| 09:17.10 | Thurin1 | /usr/? |
| 09:17.18 | liable | /usr/src |
| 09:17.22 | Thurin1 | thanks |
| 09:17.33 | deisys | Yes, postgrsql-common is installed also |
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| 09:18.04 | liable | file a bug wherever you got the 8.4 package |
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| 09:18.47 | DustyDingo | hi, i added a user "sandbox" to my system, but he can't run any applications under X |
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| 09:19.07 | liable | oh, my bad, 8.1 *is* in the etch repo. apoligies |
| 09:19.13 | DustyDingo | "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" and "No protocol specified" |
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| 09:19.29 | deisys | ;-) |
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| 09:19.51 | DustyDingo | is there a way to give the other user the permission, to do so, or whats going wrong here? |
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| 09:19.58 | simonrvn | !+info postgresql-8.1 etch |
| 09:20.00 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 09:20.12 | debtone | can anyone tell me how to install kde in debian?i did apt-get install x-window-system-core followed by apt-get install kdelibs kdebase kdm , but i can only see kdm blue screen but nothing happens... |
| 09:20.12 | dpkg | postgresql-8.1: (object-relational SQL database, version 8.1 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.1.9-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 4250 kB, Installed size: 12960 kB |
| 09:20.38 | gimmeapill | debtone: kde-core |
| 09:20.48 | debtone | apt-get install? |
| 09:21.08 | gimmeapill | yes, |
| 09:21.21 | gimmeapill | debtone: or kdebase, it includes more stuff |
| 09:21.39 | gimmeapill | up, strange you did it already |
| 09:21.45 | debtone | yeah |
| 09:21.49 | gimmeapill | did you reboot ? |
| 09:21.59 | debtone | i have to?? |
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| 09:22.18 | debtone | ok,lol |
| 09:22.24 | debtone | brb |
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| 09:24.44 | null | Hello, to use razor & pyzor on 3.1, Need I a external programs like pyzor/razor or only a spamassassin modules? I use debetch |
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| 09:26.34 | abchirk | !ops Serial spam on join, some porn sites... |
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| 09:29.06 | PSyKo | Somebody kno how to install / wine on lenny plz ? |
| 09:29.07 | PSyKo | thx |
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| 09:29.15 | abchirk | aptitude install wine |
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| 09:31.59 | Nyle | /dev/sda3 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 09:32.01 | Nyle | oops |
| 09:32.23 | xored | my server just crashed and i have no idea why. Its back online after a hardreboot, looking at syslog there is nothing special when it "died( 3:xx).. i have a atop.log in my log dir, so i guess its loggin all the time. how can i look in this log, it seems like a kind of binary |
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| 09:35.09 | wAndyw78 | Can somebody suggest a 100MBit PCI NIC which supports WOL over MagicPackets with SecureON ? |
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| 09:36.20 | MarcAvant | hi |
| 09:36.39 | MarcAvant | how to install debian sid? now i'm using etch, how to make the upgrade? |
| 09:36.56 | dennis- | hmm, is there a way to rescan the scsi bus for targets? |
| 09:36.57 | infinity0 | gah shit i just did chmod 1733 / by mistake... what was the perms before? |
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| 09:37.39 | valdyn | drwxr-xr-x |
| 09:37.59 | infinity0 | right thanks |
| 09:38.03 | MarcAvant | hey? |
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| 09:38.13 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 09:38.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 09:43.43 | edistar | how do I set a CC variable in the shell? |
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| 09:44.44 | wAndyw78 | edistar: with export? |
| 09:45.29 | edistar | wAndyw78: how? |
| 09:45.39 | edistar | wAndyw78: I need to set my gcc to 4.1 |
| 09:45.39 | wAndyw78 | which variable do you want to set? |
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| 09:45.45 | wAndyw78 | ah |
| 09:46.07 | liable | export CC="gcc-4.1" |
| 09:46.11 | wAndyw78 | that means you have a symbolic link from gcc to an older gcc? |
| 09:46.30 | edistar | wAndyw78: no idea actually, the nvidia installer told me to change it |
| 09:46.32 | edistar | liable: thx |
| 09:47.12 | wAndyw78 | what does "ls -l /usr/bin/gcc*" show? |
| 09:47.49 | wAndyw78 | i think there is a symbolic link to, for example gcc-3.4 |
| 09:48.08 | wAndyw78 | gcc -v |
| 09:48.23 | xored | my server crashed tonight. No errors in syslog, no strange things in munin until the crash, no crazy things in atop to that time. The only strange thing i, that my raid is rsyncing right now ( a great amount of data or even fully )..any ideas ? |
| 09:48.28 | edistar | gcc -> gcc-4.2 |
| 09:48.32 | edistar | symbolic link |
| 09:48.58 | dutchfish | xored, hardware? |
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| 09:50.43 | CY`Freak | lu |
| 09:50.53 | dutchfish | xored, the only time i had this on 1 of my server was when it was induced by a powerspike, that the raidcontroller lost it and corrupted 1 disk of the raid set |
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| 09:51.20 | jintxo | xored, anything in kern.log (or kern.1.log or wherever) ? |
| 09:51.26 | edistar | what is paravirt_ops? |
| 09:51.46 | xored | jintxo: no, i could not find anything there |
| 09:51.52 | xored | dmesg is also ok |
| 09:51.53 | mhall | xored: screwy power supply? |
| 09:52.01 | xored | mhall: its not at home ! |
| 09:52.12 | mhall | xored: where the hell is it |
| 09:52.30 | xored | its a computing center |
| 09:52.33 | xored | rented server |
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| 09:52.57 | dutchfish | xored, whats the uptime? was it rebooted? |
| 09:53.04 | debtone | whoever helped me before thanks :) |
| 09:53.05 | spx2 | how do I make my soundcard to work ? I've tried all possible ways... |
| 09:53.56 | jintxo | if it's rebuilding the array most likely something happened to the controller or a disk, I would guess. when electricity goes out on the couple servers I have or something else goes wrong, I never get a rebuilt array as consecuence |
| 09:53.58 | xored | dutchfish: uptime arround 1 month |
| 09:54.05 | xored | dutchfish: hard reboot |
| 09:54.17 | dutchfish | xored, ok, check last -n 30, any strange items? |
| 09:54.25 | debtone | shit this is so unnnnnnnnstable... |
| 09:54.30 | xored | dutchfish: through the interface...i could not connevt to the server with ssh anymore |
| 09:54.42 | gimmeapill | debtone: kde ? |
| 09:54.49 | xored | dutchfish: checked the whole syslog, atop log..nothing. |
| 09:54.50 | debtone | yes |
| 09:55.18 | dutchfish | xored, did you aupgrade kernel lately? (sec fixes)? |
| 09:55.44 | debtone | gimmeapill: this even crashes in control center |
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| 09:56.08 | dutchfish | xored, is ssh running? |
| 09:56.14 | xored | dutchfish: i have secpack installed |
| 09:56.19 | xored | dutchfish: EXT3-fs: md1: orphan cleanup on readonly fs |
| 09:56.19 | xored | EXT3-fs: md1: 15 orphan inodes deleted |
| 09:56.29 | xored | dutchfish: how could i check this ? |
| 09:56.46 | dutchfish | xored, at the ip remote (if you have)? |
| 09:57.12 | gimmeapill | debtone: it shouldn't, what was your previous graphical environement ? |
| 09:57.21 | xored | dutchfish: sorry cant get your point. Iam on the server right now, ssh |
| 09:57.43 | dutchfish | xored, ok |
| 09:58.13 | dutchfish | xored, check if all your services are running? ps auxww | less |
| 09:58.14 | debtone | gimmeapill: just installed debian(minimal trough netinst) and installed kde :( |
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| 09:58.42 | xored | dutchfish: its all up, all running like they should |
| 09:59.16 | dutchfish | xored, the re-syncing of the raid controller is finished? |
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| 10:00.03 | xored | dutchfish: right now |
| 10:00.25 | dutchfish | xored, did you check your raidcontrollers log for hard errors? |
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| 10:00.41 | spx2 | how do I make my soundcard to work ? I've tried all possible ways... |
| 10:00.50 | xored | dutchfish: are there such logs / where are they ? |
| 10:01.01 | gimmeapill | debtone: what is crashing ? all the xserver |
| 10:01.15 | dutchfish | xored, normally (depending on your controller) through its utils |
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| 10:01.50 | dutchfish | xored, some are even webbased |
| 10:01.53 | xored | dutchfish: its a softraid |
| 10:01.58 | xored | mdadm |
| 10:01.58 | debtone | no,it crashes in simple things like starting kde or going trough the control center and stays frozen |
| 10:02.07 | dutchfish | xored, in that case syslog |
| 10:02.11 | xored | dutchfish: thank you for your help, gtg |
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| 10:02.19 | dutchfish | xored, gl |
| 10:02.22 | xored | dutchfish: syslog is clean..thank you |
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| 10:02.59 | dutchfish | xored, if this is all clean check powersupply, main cause |
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| 10:06.17 | dutchfish | is there a way i can install a standard desktop when i use debootstrap with some kind of role? where can i find info on this? |
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| 10:07.28 | dutchfish | i am having trouble getting the right packages for a thin client with PXE boot (pxe is working ok through NFS) |
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| 10:10.12 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 10:10.19 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 10:11.55 | Moe_ | how do i check the md5 hash of the downloaded iso before i burn it to cd |
| 10:11.55 | Moe_ | ? |
| 10:12.07 | dutchfish | md5sum foo |
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| 10:12.09 | simonrvn | md5sum file |
| 10:12.11 | dli | Moe_, md5sum foo.iso |
| 10:12.37 | Moe_ | do i need to download the md5 files from where i downloaded the iso's as well? |
| 10:12.46 | dli | Moe_, or, use k3b to burn, and check "verify data" |
| 10:12.54 | dutchfish | dli, at least you must know the checksum |
| 10:12.55 | simonrvn | that would help ;) |
| 10:15.07 | dutchfish | is there a way i can install a standard desktop when i use debootstrap with some kind of role? where can i find info on this? are there any metapackages, i couldnt fined one on the installer disks |
| 10:15.32 | abchirk | chroot into it :P |
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| 10:16.13 | dutchfish | abchirk, i did, of coarse, when i have a bare min system, how do i upgrade to a default gnome desktop? |
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| 10:16.58 | simonrvn | 'course' |
| 10:17.05 | abchirk | its under tasks in aptitude... |
| 10:17.05 | dutchfish | abchirk, installing gnome does this not |
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| 10:17.30 | abchirk | > End User > Desk Env. > Gnome |
| 10:17.32 | dutchfish | abchirk, oh? commandline? aptitude ... |
| 10:17.32 | liable | heh, i was gonna correct that, then thought better in respect to my grammar |
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| 10:18.02 | abchirk | yes I use aptitude on commandline or how? |
| 10:18.07 | dutchfish | abchirk, this doesnt give you the default desktop as the installer did |
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| 10:19.20 | dutchfish | abchirk, to be more precise a want the exact same graphical desktop (and ALL the related packages) as the installer does by default |
| 10:19.46 | abchirk | mh but where is the problem gnome is gnome... and I guess the debian installer installs the same pakg. as aptitude? :) |
| 10:20.07 | Braindead | yes, aptitude can install all the "tasks" as requested |
| 10:20.15 | abchirk | Mh I dont get it :P |
| 10:20.25 | dutchfish | abchirk, its not gnome alone, i am missing over 180 packages afetr installing gnome (and have gnome running) |
| 10:20.46 | simonrvn | tasksel 'desktop' installs kde too |
| 10:20.47 | Braindead | aptitude -> Tasks -> desktop |
| 10:21.04 | abchirk | But when I installed gnome he installed me over 100 pkgs. i used the tasks option |
| 10:21.16 | dutchfish | Braindead, cool, now how do i this on the commandline? |
| 10:21.17 | simonrvn | so use it again then... |
| 10:21.24 | liable | aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 10:21.32 | spx2 | I've just solved my sound but I didn't understand anything that I've done(I've read from a blog how to do it) |
| 10:21.40 | dutchfish | liable, very much thanks, that it! |
| 10:21.42 | liable | thats the really bloated version of gnome |
| 10:21.51 | abchirk | spx2 congrats :) |
| 10:21.52 | liable | :) |
| 10:21.57 | dutchfish | liable, yep thats the one i need |
| 10:22.06 | spx2 | anybody knows what these commands mean http://www.apeman.org/2007/04/28/147/ |
| 10:22.06 | spx2 | ? |
| 10:22.33 | abchirk | those are for module loading and unloading |
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| 10:22.58 | abchirk | for the kernel |
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| 10:23.12 | spx2 | and...what do those commands do excatly ? |
| 10:23.15 | dli | spx2, you can do that in modconf |
| 10:23.25 | dli | !tell spx2 about modconf |
| 10:23.50 | abchirk | they load a module called snd-hda-intel for your soundcard I guess |
| 10:23.56 | abchirk | its the driver |
| 10:24.23 | liable | spx2: a little googling would tell you the answers to all this |
| 10:24.50 | spx2 | liable: sorry , I've done enough googling for one day(to find that page I gave above) |
| 10:26.22 | Wyzard | spx2: udev will load that driver automatically if it finds the corresponding hardware in your system |
| 10:26.52 | Wyzard | spx2: unless it's a newer model that the driver doesn't know it supports, I guess |
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| 10:27.30 | spx2 | Wyzard: thanks |
| 10:27.31 | dli | spx2, just supply the modules parameters in modconf (unload the module first, of course) |
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| 10:32.18 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, I'm having some problems getting Firehol to run. I've used 6/7 times on Debian sarge and once on Etch, but I've got a new Etch install and I'm getting "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 10:32.25 | andrewtaylor_ | around 100 times when I try and start the service - Any pointers? |
| 10:32.58 | BHALMER | HAI |
| 10:33.11 | Braindead | I CAN HAS CHEEZBURGER? |
| 10:33.23 | liable | ohnos |
| 10:34.40 | mhall | Braindead: no wai! |
| 10:34.42 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: I use firehol on etch and haven't seen that happen... any idea what the offending name is? |
| 10:35.01 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Are you using a custom-built kernel by any chance? |
| 10:35.28 | andrewtaylor_ | no, I don't think so, but, the hosting company that set it up does a base install - is there a list of what i need in the kernel for firehol |
| 10:35.37 | NooB | !help |
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| 10:36.36 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: All the iptables features are provided by the kernel... basic stuff like "-j ACCEPT" are part of the iptables core, but things like connection tracking and rate limiting come in separate modules |
| 10:36.51 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Debian's standard kernel has everything necessary, but a custom-built kernel might not |
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| 10:37.11 | andrewtaylor_ | i ran firehol debug and I can see load_kernel_module ip_conntrack |
| 10:37.22 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: My recommendation would be to comment out all your rules, so you have a basic "client all accept" config, and then add them back one at a time to try to find out where the problem lies |
| 10:37.57 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Is ip_conntrack where it fails? |
| 10:38.26 | andrewtaylor_ | not sure, i just didn't recognise it, there was another load_module on ip_tables which makes sense |
| 10:39.14 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: ip_conntrack is IPv4 connection tracking, which is needed for stateful filtering... it's normal for it to be loaded |
| 10:39.21 | andrewtaylor_ | okay |
| 10:39.25 | lexoplex | I can't get ~/.mailcap to work with lynx. I want all image/* type files to be opened with xzgv, but lynx starts up konqueror instead. |
| 10:39.33 | andrewtaylor_ | can i check that I have that loaded in my kernel somehow |
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| 10:40.13 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: "lsmod | grep conntrack" will tell you whether it's currently loaded in the kernel... if it isn't, "modprobe ip_conntrack" will attempt to load it, and report an error if it's not available |
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| 10:41.03 | andrewtaylor_ | i haven't got that conntrack - nothing is coming back in lsmod |
| 10:41.40 | Wyzard | and if you try to modprobe it? |
| 10:41.44 | andrewtaylor_ | firehol is failing even with a basic config: http://pastebin.com/m243cc337 |
| 10:41.55 | andrewtaylor_ | FATAL: Module ip_conntrack not found. |
| 10:42.02 | Wyzard | That'd be your problem, then |
| 10:42.08 | Wyzard | conntrack is needed for even that basic config |
| 10:42.12 | andrewtaylor_ | so i need to re-compile the kernel?? |
| 10:42.45 | Wyzard | Ask your host why they're using a custom kernel that omits important modules |
| 10:42.46 | liable | interesting a hosting company doesnt include netfilter modules |
| 10:42.59 | Wyzard | Ideally you'd just use Debian's stock kernel |
| 10:43.11 | andrewtaylor_ | it's crazy, this is our 7th box from them, i've never had any problem with any of the other boxes, why they've changed now i've no idea. |
| 10:43.29 | liable | andrewtaylor_: fire them off an email explaining so |
| 10:44.12 | davi | [ Compiz ]: What must I install to get the same effects that Ubuntu Gutsy ? -- Ref.: http://compizfusionrevolution.wordpress.com/ |
| 10:44.13 | andrewtaylor_ | yeah, i will do, but i won't get anything back from them for the next 4 hours or so. I'll try adding the modules in |
| 10:44.44 | liable | thats some crappy hosting if they take that long to respond |
| 10:44.54 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: If it's a VPS you might not be able to use a different kernel than the one they provide for you |
| 10:45.01 | andrewtaylor_ | no it's not it's dedicated |
| 10:45.11 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: If you know you have the ability to change kernels, just install Debian's stock one; no need to custom-compile |
| 10:45.20 | xingu | Wyzard: unless they've thoughtfully left kexec enabled :) |
| 10:45.31 | andrewtaylor_ | is there an apt-get for the stock kernel? |
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| 10:45.50 | xingu | Wyzard: I'd name and shame but I'd get done over for it :) |
| 10:46.10 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: linux-image-2.6-{686,k7,amd64,etc.} |
| 10:46.48 | Wyzard | xingu: depends on the virtualization technology used... OpenVZ for example uses a single kernel shared by all VMs, rather than a separate kernel for each |
| 10:47.19 | Wyzard | xingu: I doubt an OpenVZ kernel would allow kexec, since it'd likely kill all other VMs |
| 10:47.23 | xingu | Wyzard: which was why this specific incident was far funnier than it should have been. :) |
| 10:47.36 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 10:48.37 | xingu | Wyzard: and yes, kexec == soft-restart; everyone hosed. |
| 10:49.17 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: That's actually a metapackage which depends on the actual kernel package, which has a version number in its name... it's good to have the metapackage installed because it ensures that you get newer kernel versions when you upgrade |
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| 10:50.12 | andrewtaylor_ | okay so what point release should I go for |
| 10:50.24 | andrewtaylor_ | i see 2.6.20 |
| 10:50.26 | BHALMER | bbyg |
| 10:50.30 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: in etch? |
| 10:50.36 | andrewtaylor_ | yes |
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| 10:50.38 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: 2.6.18 is the only kernel in etch |
| 10:50.39 | andrewtaylor_ | linux-image-2.6.20 |
| 10:50.45 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: then you aren't running stable |
| 10:51.01 | andrewtaylor_ | this is a right cluster f*ck this |
| 10:51.07 | andrewtaylor_ | is there a way i can tell that? |
| 10:51.09 | liable | andrewtaylor_: does it even have a -686 after it? |
| 10:51.13 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: or maybe your host built a custom 2.6.20 package |
| 10:51.23 | liable | thats my guess |
| 10:51.34 | andrewtaylor_ | i see linux-image-amd64 |
| 10:51.54 | liable | whats the full name of the .20 kernel? |
| 10:51.55 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: If it's a 64-bit system, that'd be appropriate |
| 10:52.15 | andrewtaylor_ | i've got a 64bit chip, but, will that mean i need 64bit apache / mysql etc? |
| 10:52.20 | twb | andrewtaylor_: maybe 2.6.18 is intalled in the VM but you're seeing the 2.6.20 kernel from the host OS, because you're using something like openvz which shares the host kernel. |
| 10:52.32 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: linux-image-amd64 depends on linux-image-2.6-amd64, which (currently) depends on linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64, which is the supported etch kernel |
| 10:52.51 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: No, 64-bit kernels can run 32-bit software just fine |
| 10:53.01 | andrewtaylor_ | i've got loads of options here - linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 10:53.16 | andrewtaylor_ | linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 10:53.22 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: That's another metapackage, depended upon by linux-image-amd64 -- read what I said above |
| 10:54.09 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: You want to install linux-image-2.6-amd64, and let it bring in 2.6.18-5-amd64 as a dependency |
| 10:54.21 | liable | is running a 64 kernel with 32bit userland advantagious? |
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| 10:54.38 | liable | s/i/e/ |
| 10:54.42 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: It wouldn't be a bad idea to install linux-image-amd64 and let it bring in linux-image-2.6-amd64, though that'd only matter if we eventually went to a 2.8 kernel series, which isn't likely to exist anytime soon |
| 10:54.48 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: yes, better optimization available to the kernel |
| 10:54.59 | andrewtaylor_ | i'll go for linux-image-amd64 - i can always get it re-imaged |
| 10:55.02 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: amd64 has more general-purpose registers |
| 10:55.52 | liable | that was me that asked :) |
| 10:56.00 | Wyzard | liable: oh, oops :-) |
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| 10:56.32 | andrewtaylor_ | twb - it's not a vm |
| 10:56.44 | twb | andrewtaylor_: OK, sorry. |
| 10:57.02 | andrewtaylor_ | okay that's done |
| 10:57.06 | andrewtaylor_ | do i need a reboot |
| 10:57.17 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Yes, to actually boot the new kernel you've just installed |
| 10:57.28 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Check your bootloader config to make sure you'll be booting the right kernel |
| 10:57.43 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: (dunno whether your server is using plain GRUB, or something else) |
| 10:57.59 | andrewtaylor_ | it's grub |
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| 10:58.58 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: If there's a packaged 2.6.20 installed, update-grub will probably put it first in /boot/grub/menu.lst, so it'll be booted instead of the one you just installed |
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| 10:59.22 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Check your menu.lst and comment out any other kernels, just to make sure |
| 10:59.35 | andrewtaylor_ | okay thanks |
| 10:59.39 | bony | is there a way to show iceweasel as firefox? when i use orkut i get the message as the browser is not supported |
| 11:00.12 | liable | user agent in about:config? |
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| 11:00.30 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: (Your commenting-out will be overridden next time you install a packaged kernel and that file gets regenerated, so be sure to actually uninstall any unwanted kernels later, so they won't be put back into the file at that time) |
| 11:00.43 | andrewtaylor_ | okay |
| 11:01.39 | Wyzard | so much work to install something that should've been installed out-of-the-box :-) |
| 11:02.36 | xand | what's the program to run after updating /etc/exports? c.c |
| 11:02.42 | xand | that reloads config from there |
| 11:02.51 | andrewtaylor_ | yeah, i've tried to explain that we need to be consistent when deploying new hardware - i don't want them to keep tweaking things. |
| 11:03.33 | bony | liable: ok i got it thanks :-) |
| 11:03.37 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: The most important thing to find out is *why* they're using a custom kernel... it might be that they apply some special patch which serves a legitimate purpose |
| 11:03.46 | andrewtaylor_ | yes |
| 11:04.03 | andrewtaylor_ | yup firehol is now working straight away |
| 11:04.07 | Wyzard | cool |
| 11:04.10 | andrewtaylor_ | thanks for all your help |
| 11:04.12 | aycko | is it possible to change bios options within grub or any booting software? |
| 11:04.17 | Wyzard | np |
| 11:04.24 | andrewtaylor_ | i've got no eth0 :( |
| 11:04.33 | andrewtaylor_ | just loopback |
| 11:04.41 | Wyzard | aycko: I doubt it... that sort of thing is specific to the BIOS |
| 11:04.46 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: What type of network card? |
| 11:04.50 | andrewtaylor_ | not sure |
| 11:04.56 | andrewtaylor_ | it's not my hardware |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/cifs.5' returned no results. |
| 11:05.07 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 11:05.15 | aycko | Wyzard: i doubt it too, but i was hoping i was wrong ;) |
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| 11:06.31 | andrewtaylor_ | i'm going to re-image it; i need to know what i'm dealing with here, i don't want this coming back to bite me |
| 11:06.54 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Just use lspci to find out what it is... that doesn't depend on having a driver for it |
| 11:07.27 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: It might be something esoteric that's not supported in 2.6.18, though in that case you might want to ask them to just install a different card |
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| 11:11.31 | andrewtaylor_ | nVidia Corporation MCP61 Ethernet |
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| 11:12.14 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: That's the integrated network support in a newer nForce chipset, I believe |
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| 11:12.40 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: I think the newer ones are only supported in more recent kernels, so that could be the reason for the 2.6.20 |
| 11:13.15 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: but you could probably ask them to install a different card -- Intel's gigabit cards are pretty decent, well-supported (I use one in etch) and cost only $30-$40 USD |
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| 11:14.53 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: You want to stick with Debian's kernels if at all possible since they get prompt updates from the security team whenever a vulnerability is found |
| 11:15.01 | andrewtaylor_ | sure |
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| 11:15.49 | andrewtaylor_ | okay, how can i remove that kernel i installed? I've apt-get removed but update-grub still finds it |
| 11:16.15 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Remember that the actual kernel package is linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64 |
| 11:16.35 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-2.6-amd64 are just empty metapackages which help with upgrades |
| 11:16.43 | andrewtaylor_ | right |
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| 11:17.14 | Wyzard | (though if you were using aptitude, removing the metapackage would have automatically flagged the actual kernel package for removal since nothing depends on it anymore) |
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| 11:18.13 | andrewtaylor_ | so is there a way I can install ip_conntrack to the .20 kernel? |
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| 11:19.01 | Farhadix | which package i must install for this error? " No curses/termcap library found" |
| 11:19.47 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: In theory, yes, you could take a 2.6.20 source tree, do some kernel-fu to build just the conntrack modules, and copy them to the appropriate place in /lib/modules |
| 11:19.58 | wols | andrewtaylor_: yes, you compile it |
| 11:19.59 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: Or you could compile a whole new 2.6.20 with those modules enabled |
| 11:20.24 | wols | Farhadix: ncurses |
| 11:20.27 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: but neither of those are something you want to do, from a maintenance and security-updates perspective |
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| 11:21.40 | Wyzard | andrewtaylor_: You could also grab a packaged kernel of a newer version from testing or unstable, but those don't get security updates either |
| 11:22.15 | spx2 | anybody here knows how I can cheat rapidshare ? |
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| 11:22.22 | spx2 | on windows it worked with ipconfig /flush |
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| 11:22.26 | spx2 | ipconfig /restart |
| 11:22.32 | spx2 | how can I do that on debian ? |
| 11:22.48 | wols | spx2: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:22.57 | Wyzard | spx2: That just renews your DHCP lease, which apparently results in you getting a different IP address |
| 11:23.36 | Wyzard | spx2: Presumably Rapidshare tracks by IP address, and apparently your computer is connected directly to the Internet, rather than behind a router |
| 11:23.37 | Farhadix | wols, I have installed ncurses-base , ncurses-bin , ncurses-term and libncurses5 |
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| 11:24.01 | Wyzard | Farhadix: If you're trying to compile something, you need libncurses5-dev |
| 11:24.31 | spx2 | hmmm |
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| 11:24.35 | spx2 | It seems it doesnt work |
| 11:24.38 | spx2 | wols: thanks ... |
| 11:25.03 | Wyzard | spx2: Debian's DHCP client requests the same IP address it had previously, if possible, I believe |
| 11:25.17 | liable | yep |
| 11:25.51 | Wyzard | spx2: You can probably disable that by setting some option in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 11:25.51 | twb | Debian has >1 clients. |
| 11:26.05 | Wyzard | twb: but only one is installed by default |
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| 11:26.13 | Wyzard | spx2: man dhcp-options |
| 11:26.14 | twb | I think none are installed by default. |
| 11:26.33 | Wyzard | twb: If you configure a network device to use DHCP during installation, a client will be installed |
| 11:26.41 | Farhadix | Wyzard, thanks, |
| 11:26.41 | twb | Fair enough. |
| 11:27.00 | Wyzard | spx2: or, you could just pay for a rapidshare subscription :-) |
| 11:27.07 | twb | Still, it's better to say "The ISC client" rather than "The Debian client" |
| 11:27.18 | Wyzard | twb: used to be dhcp-client, but I'm pretty sure it's dhcp3-client these days |
| 11:27.25 | twb | Yep. |
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| 11:35.59 | null | Hello, what is the way to use clamav without using amavis-new using postfix? |
| 11:36.00 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:36.00 | dpkg | somebody said qotd92 was <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
| 11:36.11 | liable | hehe |
| 11:36.30 | tdn | How do I check if a single IP address is listed in Spamhaus.org from the shell? |
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| 11:36.43 | null | tdn: maybe rblcheck |
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| 11:37.14 | stable-user | hello! |
| 11:37.26 | liable | !ba |
| 11:37.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ba is Bosnia & Herzegovina |
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| 11:37.37 | liable | ah |
| 11:37.41 | stable-user | liable: r u from ba? |
| 11:37.56 | liable | stable-user: nope, i just didnt know where .ba was from :) |
| 11:38.10 | stable-user | It's where I'm from :) Hihi |
| 11:38.14 | liable | heh |
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| 11:38.25 | null | stable-user: :) |
| 11:38.35 | stable-user | yeah, i figured! :) |
| 11:38.55 | stable-user | can any1 tell me a good reason why i should give openbox a try? I'm a fluxbox user |
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| 11:39.17 | liable | because you want to see for yourself :) |
| 11:39.19 | null | stable-user: uhhmm, do you like you slit and taskbar? |
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| 11:39.36 | null | stable-user: OpenBOX has no one ... ;P |
| 11:39.42 | stable-user | null: i have no use of the slit, i like the taskbar |
| 11:39.46 | tdn | null, can't I do it using just host? I mean isn't it just a dns look up? |
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| 11:40.02 | stable-user | really? :/ But a taskbar is easily implemented |
| 11:40.05 | null | stable-user: OpenBOX has no taskbar |
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| 11:40.09 | stable-user | is it faster than fluxbox? |
| 11:40.15 | tdn | stable-user, yes. |
| 11:40.29 | gimmeapill | wouldn't say so |
| 11:40.37 | null | stable-user: you can try 'hackedbox' too |
| 11:40.46 | stable-user | woah, hackedbox! |
| 11:40.54 | stable-user | So many blackbox clones these days... |
| 11:41.00 | tdn | OpenBox *seems* faster than fluxbox on my computer. |
| 11:41.00 | null | it's a stripped version of blackbox |
| 11:41.15 | gimmeapill | fluxbox can be made faster with the right theme |
| 11:41.43 | lexoplex | ratpoison here, FWIW :) |
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| 11:42.19 | stable-user | well, ion/dwm/ratpoison rock, but not if you have 5 windows of Inkscape open on a 15" screen |
| 11:42.37 | stable-user | i guess every wm has its pros and cons |
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| 11:43.10 | twb | stable-user: I disagree. |
| 11:43.31 | twb | I find it MUCH easier to use ratpoison even on small screens with inkscape. |
| 11:43.43 | stable-user | twb: Is this gonna be about splitting windows now? I know, but it's kinda hard to get used to it :/ |
| 11:43.51 | liable | !start a wm war |
| 11:43.51 | dpkg | fvwm95 bites! |
| 11:43.55 | twb | Shrug. |
| 11:44.00 | stable-user | lol |
| 11:44.03 | twb | Different users have different needs. |
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| 11:44.35 | stable-user | no war PLS, we had enough of that lately here! :) only constructive discussions! |
| 11:44.49 | stable-user | <twb> Different users have different needs. <--- right on! |
| 11:44.58 | fifafrazer | Hey... I've just made a terrible mistake.. I was moving my desktop icons around (XFCE4.4) and I accidentially dropped the home folder into the trashbin. It came up with an error. "Failed to remove missing: access denied" and the the whole system froze. I restarted the x window manager (ctrl-alt-backspace), but now my system is acting weird and I lost some important files. Nothing happens if I try to bring up the terminal... Is the |
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| 11:45.27 | null | stable-user: Fluxbox is not 'faster' for you? |
| 11:45.35 | liable | fifafrazer: cut off at Is the |
| 11:45.51 | stable-user | null: It's fast enough, just wanna know if openbox is faster |
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| 11:46.32 | twb | Doesn't openbox have more code than fluxbox? |
| 11:46.38 | twb | That would indicate it'd be slower. |
| 11:46.40 | null | stable-user: try hackedbox too, I think that is 'faster' than others, it is its primary goal |
| 11:46.42 | xingu | heh, that's quite amusing in a schadenfreude kinda way; possibly xfce ought to guard against that one. :) |
| 11:46.52 | null | than other *box sorry, not wm :) |
| 11:46.56 | twb | null: matchbox? ;-) |
| 11:47.06 | null | It is new for me |
| 11:47.08 | null | :) |
| 11:47.15 | stable-user | hihi |
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| 11:47.22 | fifafrazer | liable: what? I dont understand |
| 11:47.25 | twb | matchbox IS a wm, if you didn't realize |
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| 11:47.43 | liable | fifafrazer: your cooment was cut off at "Is the" |
| 11:47.44 | gryfie__ | wm war? OroboROX :)` |
| 11:47.50 | liable | comment* |
| 11:48.16 | fifafrazer | oh... Is there some way I can retrieve the lost data and repair my system?.. The trashcan is empty :S |
| 11:48.46 | null | twb: on google/images there is no user with matchbox screenshot ;P |
| 11:48.49 | stable-user | Well, a running X, SLiM Login manager, Fluxbox, XMMS, conky and a couple of aterms only take up 10% of my 233MHz CPU |
| 11:49.01 | stable-user | even with the fanciest themes |
| 11:49.22 | stable-user | that's kinda OK |
| 11:49.29 | liable | fifafrazer: if i were you, i would mount /home ro first before you possibly write over anything |
| 11:49.36 | liable | fifafrazer: then i would file a bug |
| 11:49.50 | twb | fifafrazer: mount -o remount -o ro /home |
| 11:50.07 | liable | fifafrazer: unfortunately, i have no idea about fixing it. hopefully someone smarter than i here does |
| 11:50.34 | p0g0__ | fifafrazer: a kde system? |
| 11:50.44 | liable | xfce |
| 11:50.59 | p0g0__ | 'k |
| 11:51.06 | liable | fifafrazer: also try #xfce |
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| 11:51.10 | robboplus | how do i find out window sizes on my system? and should i mess with them? |
| 11:51.16 | stable-user | How is it possible to move a superordinate into a subordinate folder? |
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| 11:51.25 | xand | a what? |
| 11:51.48 | liable | a parent into a child |
| 11:51.53 | p0g0__ | stable-user: you can move the contents, but the directroy hiearchy remains |
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| 11:52.20 | stable-user | <p0g0__> stable-user: you can move the contents, but the directroy hiearchy remains <--- Uh? |
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| 11:52.45 | gryfie__ | running x, rox-filer, firefox2.0, xchat, gaim with about 3% cpu-usage |
| 11:52.49 | stable-user | <liable> a parent into a child <--- Yikes! |
| 11:52.56 | gryfie__ | on a 333 Mhz pII |
| 11:53.01 | p0g0__ | stable-user: a parent folder remains a parent...but you can move the contents of the dir anywhere you want |
| 11:53.13 | Pete_B | when 'mdadm --detail /dev/md1' reports "State - active sync /dev/sdb2" does it mean it is _actively_ _syncing_, and so I shouldn't restart the box? |
| 11:53.14 | twb | gryfie__: wow, I'm amazed the bloatmeister, Firefox, even boots on that |
| 11:53.17 | liable | heh, cp ../<user> ./.Trash |
| 11:53.18 | stable-user | aaaaaaaah, the content! |
| 11:53.31 | p0g0__ | Pete_B: yes |
| 11:53.40 | Pete_B | p0g0__: thanks |
| 11:53.41 | stable-user | gryfie__: No way! With firefox!? |
| 11:53.51 | fifafrazer | hmm... I think I'll spend more time fixing everything than reinstalling the whole system... It's more the lost files :( |
| 11:54.08 | gryfie__ | twb: I configured Firefox not to cache in ram |
| 11:54.17 | twb | How? |
| 11:54.26 | fifafrazer | maybe I should think of some way to prevent this from happening again in the future :) |
| 11:54.30 | gryfie__ | One moment |
| 11:54.32 | stable-user | <gryfie__> twb: I configured Firefox not to cache in ram <--- tell me how! :) |
| 11:54.33 | twb | I think the other problem I have is that all the gecko browsers don't save backing store or something |
| 11:54.37 | p0g0__ | twb: set the preferences for 0 cache |
| 11:54.41 | spx2 | I wasnt able to get a new Ip after I reconfigured dhclient.conf |
| 11:54.45 | spx2 | what can I do about that ? |
| 11:54.47 | twb | p0g0__: from the command line |
| 11:55.11 | liable | fifafrazer: from a gui point of veiw, i would call it a bug to be able to do so, so that it screws your /home like it has |
| 11:55.23 | stable-user | yeah, report bugs |
| 11:55.37 | liable | fifafrazer: in console can you make sense of it? |
| 11:55.39 | gryfie__ | about:config in the url |
| 11:55.50 | gryfie__ | and then filtering for: browser.cache.memory.enable |
| 11:55.55 | gryfie__ | set it to false |
| 11:56.04 | gryfie__ | and I disabled also: |
| 11:56.13 | liable | i think you can even do that in its preferences |
| 11:56.22 | p0g0__ | yep |
| 11:56.47 | gryfie__ | network.prefetch-next |
| 11:57.00 | liable | i like the next url thing |
| 11:57.15 | liable | for mailing list anyway |
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| 11:57.31 | twb | How do you do it from the command line? |
| 11:57.44 | liable | you dont |
| 11:57.46 | twb | I delete .mozilla regularly, I want a cron job to disable that "feature" each night. |
| 11:57.48 | gryfie__ | I do it from the url.... I type in about:config |
| 11:58.23 | twb | I am *not* going to keep all of .mozilla in my dotfile repository. It's full of gank. |
| 11:58.29 | liable | you would have to get into the jars to do it globally i would think |
| 11:58.53 | twb | Nor am I going to inconvenience other users by fucking with the global settings |
| 11:59.17 | fifafrazer | The system tried to move my home folder to the trashcan when i accidentially released the mouse button... I dont know why it froze when it tried to move a file, which i didnt have the rights to.. Is that considered as a bug, or is it just a user mistake? :) |
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| 11:59.23 | lexoplex | I have a ~/.mailcap that contains only the user section. Those settings there should override stuff in /etc/mailcap, right? |
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| 11:59.24 | stable-user | thx a lot guys! |
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| 12:00.00 | stable-user | which i didnt have the rights to.. <--- oh, this is almost a security threat! |
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| 12:00.26 | liable | twb: can you explain your issue again? |
| 12:00.27 | twb | One normally has full rights to $HOME |
| 12:00.35 | twb | liable: I don't remember |
| 12:00.48 | liable | ah, so just ranting now? |
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| 12:03.17 | stable-user | hackedbox, the bastard son of blackbox, lol |
| 12:03.35 | gener1c | i went to standby came back and now my screen is darker |
| 12:03.39 | gener1c | how do i fix it? |
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| 12:04.03 | gener1c | i also installed 915resolution a few sexonds ago |
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| 12:04.10 | gener1c | seconds |
| 12:04.58 | stable-user | might be that 915resolution messed up your gamma values |
| 12:05.11 | gener1c | argh |
| 12:05.47 | stable-user | gener1c: you should give this command at the startup: xgamma -gamma 1.30 (or whatever value you prefer) |
| 12:06.14 | stable-user | put it into the .xsession file |
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| 12:06.39 | stable-user | that way you make sure it's always the value you like |
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| 12:08.01 | codex | I want to add a directory that contains modules, and depmod to be aware of it's exsitance. How do I add a directory for depmod to scan for modules? |
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| 12:08.29 | liable | by putting it in your kernel module directory |
| 12:08.37 | gener1c | i changed gamma its not that |
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| 12:09.52 | stable-user | gener1c: Maybe it's because the new drivers just make the screen look darker. this happened to me on Win once, but i fixed it by setting a way higher gamma value |
| 12:09.53 | liable | codex: depmod -b |
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| 12:10.15 | stable-user | dunno about you though :/ |
| 12:10.39 | gener1c | its not that |
| 12:10.43 | gener1c | crapsorz |
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| 12:11.31 | liable | lolsorz |
| 12:13.43 | stable-user | hmm... |
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| 12:14.10 | stable-user | don't chicken out! was just'n idea... |
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| 12:16.26 | stable-user | type you later guys, and tnx again! :) |
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| 12:19.58 | Pete_B | any idea roughly how long an md active sync will take on a 36GB disk with 2.5GHz CPU and 2.5GB RAM? |
| 12:20.19 | liable | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 12:20.41 | liable | iirc, it tells you |
| 12:21.08 | ix | Hm. Is there any way I can prevent apt from upgrading the kernel and/or running grub? |
| 12:21.22 | liable | remove the meat package |
| 12:21.27 | liable | meta! |
| 12:21.31 | ix | haha |
| 12:21.39 | ix | I started wondering for a second there |
| 12:21.45 | liable | *blush* |
| 12:21.49 | ix | the kernel package itself? |
| 12:21.54 | Pete_B | liable: hmm, not from what I can understand from it. it doesn't say it's syncing, but mdadm --detail does. |
| 12:21.55 | ix | +meta |
| 12:21.57 | liable | the meta package |
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| 12:22.06 | ix | yup, thanks |
| 12:22.13 | twb | ix: kernel updates use /etc/kernel-img.conf, which defaults to running grub |
| 12:22.15 | liable | ohnos, its shadowcat |
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| 12:22.23 | liable | !smack shadowcat |
| 12:22.32 | war | How do I disable dmraid in knoppix 5.x? I cannot mount my hard drive because it says its busy. This is because DMRAID is in use, help? dmraid -an does not work |
| 12:22.35 | shadowcat | !spank liable |
| 12:22.40 | ix | twb: ah, so I can edit that file and specify what I want it to do after kernel upgrades? |
| 12:22.50 | ix | or rather, what I don't want it to do :p |
| 12:23.09 | twb | ix: yes. |
| 12:23.25 | ix | twb: thanks! |
| 12:23.33 | liable | ix: no, just remove the meta package and you wont get kernel upgrades unless you install them |
| 12:23.57 | ix | well, the kernel upgrades can come in if they like, it's the grub part which is scaring me |
| 12:24.06 | twb | You can start fixing IT by fixing academia's terrible lack of content in CS courses, grumble |
| 12:24.07 | ix | I have to use dd to copy the boot sector from a working drive |
| 12:24.11 | ix | otherwise it all fails |
| 12:24.22 | liable | eww |
| 12:24.26 | twb | ix: wouldn't it be better to... fix grub? |
| 12:24.26 | ix | and I mean - FAILS. |
| 12:24.32 | Wyzard | ix: kernel upgrades don't touch your boot sector if you're using grub |
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| 12:24.46 | Wyzard | ix: They just run update-grub, which edits /boot/grub/menu.lst to have an entry for the new kernel |
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| 12:24.58 | ix | Wyzard: ah. Just wanted to be sure. |
| 12:25.10 | ix | When is grub run, then? |
| 12:25.21 | ix | twb: If I was able to identify the problem I'd fix it. |
| 12:25.24 | liable | now i'm confused |
| 12:25.26 | wols | only when you install grub |
| 12:25.34 | liable | whats the actuall problem you have? |
| 12:26.04 | ix | but I didn't come up with a decent search term for a cursor flashing across the screen and grub printing a smley-face-character |
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| 12:26.10 | ix | smiley* |
| 12:26.30 | wols | reinstall grub |
| 12:26.43 | ix | wols: you honestly thought I havent tried that? :p |
| 12:26.57 | liable | paste your menu.list and cat /proc/mounts |
| 12:27.03 | ix | no luck, I'm afraid |
| 12:27.10 | liable | this obviously isnt an ordinary install |
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| 12:27.29 | wols | ix: tell us the way your harddisk is set up, what contoller what drives, etc |
| 12:27.32 | ix | liable: Why should menu.lst matter? When i copy the bootsector (bs=446 count=1), it works perfectly. |
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| 12:27.57 | ix | wols: hm... let me look up the motherboard data. |
| 12:28.14 | wols | ix: and what are you doing AFTER dd-ing the bootsector? how do you screw it up again? |
| 12:28.16 | spikerman | who can help me install my ati display card? |
| 12:28.31 | wols | spikerman: what chip/card exactly? |
| 12:28.35 | ix | wols: by running grub. |
| 12:28.48 | wols | ix: why are you running grub then ? |
| 12:28.58 | liable | ix: because it makes no sense at all. thats why, and your menu list and mounts are the first step to seeing what may be going on |
| 12:29.10 | spikerman | wols, RV350 (radeon 9600) |
| 12:29.23 | ix | wols: I am not. If you read the backlog, you would find me asking for help on how to *prevent* apt from ever running grub. |
| 12:29.33 | wols | liable: no it's not. caushis problem manifests before menu.lst and mounts ever matter |
| 12:29.45 | wols | ix: put grub on hold |
| 12:29.52 | dimir_ | Moin! |
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| 12:30.20 | liable | wols: caushis? |
| 12:30.20 | wols | spikerman: do you want fglrx(proprietary) or the radeon driver(Free software)? |
| 12:30.31 | wols | cause his |
| 12:31.12 | wols | !tell ix about hold |
| 12:31.12 | spikerman | wols, does it has difference? |
| 12:31.19 | wols | yes |
| 12:31.24 | ix | wols: alright, I am putting it on hold. For that matter, I could even remove the meta kernel package, since I am compiling my own kernel. |
| 12:31.24 | wols | I told you the differences |
| 12:31.32 | liable | wols: agreed, but explain to me why update-grub would rewrite mbr in the first place |
| 12:31.38 | wols | kernel has nothing to do with your problem. at all |
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| 12:31.47 | wols | liable: it simply doesn't |
| 12:32.01 | liable | wols: right |
| 12:32.04 | stew | putting grub on hold isn't going to stop it from being run |
| 12:32.11 | stew | if that is really what is happening |
| 12:32.15 | ix | wols: anyway, thanks! |
| 12:32.20 | wols | stew: why else would it run then? and who starts it? |
| 12:33.29 | liable | wols: right, so i want to see what he's got in mounts to see wtf his sytem is |
| 12:33.30 | stew | wols: why else other than what? |
| 12:33.30 | liable | its obviously non standard |
| 12:33.32 | stew | wols: grub is being run as part of updating the grub package? |
| 12:33.39 | wols | stew: user says running grub overwrites his MBR for some reason |
| 12:33.58 | wols | so as a workaround: don't run grub. so what will run grub except installing a new version of it? |
| 12:34.11 | twb | ix: why not just purge grub? |
| 12:34.26 | wols | twb: kinda hard to boo without a bootloder |
| 12:34.29 | wols | *boot |
| 12:34.42 | spikerman | wols, i download official radeon driver ,use command"sudo ./ati-driver-installer-8.x.x.run --buildpkg debian/testing" to install it |
| 12:34.47 | liable | why not tell us what kind of fucked up linking or whatever hes done |
| 12:34.50 | twb | wols: he said he's not using grub to boot, he's using legacy shit copied by hand rfom somewhere else |
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| 12:35.30 | twb | spikerman: boo. If you install proprietary drivers, the lobbyist win! |
| 12:36.06 | liable | removing grub doesnt remove the mbr or even the /grub directory |
| 12:36.24 | wols | spikerman: we do not support this. at all. any problems with that: ask ati, not us. This is the fglrx driver btw, not the "radeon" driver |
| 12:36.26 | twb | liable: but it will remove update-grub, which he fears |
| 12:36.35 | liable | twb: yes |
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| 12:37.02 | liable | twb: update-grub isnt the problem though. i was actually agreeing with you on the removing grub bit |
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| 12:38.00 | liable | seeing as ix wont paste any of his configs its all speculation to whats wrong |
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| 12:38.41 | wols | if he doesn't actually run grub to boot, all bets are off and he better fsck off :P |
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| 12:40.45 | poncha | how does cpu% returned by ps relates to real cpu usage on machines with multiple cpus ? |
| 12:41.08 | liable | stew: check your backlog, there was someone that had a burning question for you |
| 12:41.31 | stew | liable: yeah, he asked me to email him if I had advice for him, but he didn't tell me about what |
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| 12:41.40 | liable | stew: heh |
| 12:42.08 | wols | stew: obviously he needs advice how to present his problem. what else? |
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| 12:42.42 | Snapser | http://fosswire.com/2007/09/08/fix-a-frozen-system-with-the-magic-sysrq-keys/ |
| 12:42.58 | poncha | i mean... when i see "98%" there, is it 98% of one cpu or of all the power ? |
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| 12:43.02 | liable | is that a question? |
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| 12:44.25 | Jen | hi - I just created a VPS on a Hexonet.net account. cat /etc/debian_version says "3.1", but when I try to do a dist-upgrade it ends up saying sid/lenny - I really would like it to be etch instead - what am I doing wrong? |
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| 12:46.26 | stew | Jen: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 12:47.08 | twb | What on earth does /usr/bin/open do? |
| 12:47.30 | liable | it .. um .. opens stuff? |
| 12:47.33 | poncha | twb: opens a tty |
| 12:47.42 | poncha | err, opens application on tty |
| 12:47.56 | twb | A new tty? On like vt7 if 1 through 6 are already used? |
| 12:48.22 | liable | i would think it would baulk if 1-6 are used |
| 12:48.22 | poncha | yeah, it should be unused iirc |
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| 12:49.08 | liable | twb: try and use all your tty's up and tell us |
| 12:49.24 | davi | What is the most fun 3D app in Debian unstable? |
| 12:49.50 | twb | liable: I asked because I'm going through another admin's rc script |
| 12:49.59 | liable | the cow screensaver |
| 12:50.03 | amphi | davi: BTW, in answer to your earlier question, 'neither' |
| 12:50.10 | twb | I'd only ever seen open(1) on OS X before where it does something totally different. |
| 12:51.10 | davi | amphi, Thanks for your feedback. I have installed the last compiz from http://download.tuxfamily.org/osrdebian/dists/unstable/compiz-fusion-git/index.html |
| 12:51.42 | amphi | davi: that's the repository of shame? |
| 12:51.43 | davi | It works, but I have a problem with keyboard and mouse delay, in any windows manager, |
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| 12:51.56 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:52.09 | twb | *window manager |
| 12:52.20 | davi | amphi, yes |
| 12:52.41 | DexterF | let's say for some bogus reasons I installed libc from lenny, ran into all sorts of troubles (naturally) and aptitude reinstall won't reinst the etch libc6. what are my options? |
| 12:52.57 | amphi | davi: make sure your wm is not niced > 0 perhaps |
| 12:53.25 | davi | amphi, I have tried failsave |
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| 12:53.39 | davi | amphi, but I get the same problem |
| 12:53.54 | davi | amphi, keyboard and mouse events delay |
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| 12:54.03 | davi | amphi, a lot of delay! |
| 12:54.33 | liable | DexterF: apart from reinstalling, you can try with aptitudes gui to install the previos version, or use =<version> |
| 12:54.52 | liable | DexterF: or force the old libc6 with dpkg |
| 12:55.13 | DexterF | liable: will dpkg remove the old one? |
| 12:55.23 | liable | DexterF: yes |
| 12:55.33 | DexterF | good, ill go with that i guess |
| 12:55.35 | liable | DexterF: is you use --force options |
| 12:55.39 | Jen | stew: http://paste.lisp.org/display/47771 |
| 12:55.42 | DexterF | uh huh |
| 12:56.07 | liable | DexterF: you may well be fucked, but i guess it cant hurt to try |
| 12:56.25 | davi | amphi, I desist. No way with compiz |
| 12:56.38 | davi | Is there any fun 3D app? |
| 12:56.51 | DexterF | liable: ah, it's just libc6, no biggie ;) |
| 12:56.58 | liable | tuxracer neverball |
| 12:57.04 | twb | davi: tremulous |
| 12:57.05 | DexterF | davi: google earth? |
| 12:57.06 | liable | DexterF: of course |
| 12:57.28 | davi | thanks liable DexterF twb I have something to do now :) |
| 12:57.54 | amphi | davi: eh? why not? what video card do you have? it runs fine on my 32MB mobility radeon 7500 |
| 12:58.24 | davi | amphi, nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2) |
| 12:58.28 | twb | davi: aptitude search '~sgames !~D~sgames' |
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| 12:58.37 | davi | thanks twb |
| 12:58.58 | tijiale | hello. anyone using network-manager with gnome on sid? |
| 12:58.59 | davi | amphi, It is working rightly for some 3D apps. I think it is rightly configured |
| 12:59.03 | twb | amphi: compiz runs fine on that card? |
| 12:59.13 | twb | amphi: what chipset is that, r200? |
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| 13:00.06 | amphi | twb: yeah, rv200 according to man radeon |
| 13:00.22 | liable | tijiale: its going through lots of changes especially irt wireless. if its broken, check bts, and deal with it |
| 13:00.25 | Jen | stew: that is on a 'clean' install. Running apt-get dist-upgrade messes up the installation |
| 13:00.49 | DexterF | liable: apt-get -d wont get the debs, says already latest version. how would I get the debs then? |
| 13:00.50 | amphi | twb: water and a couple of other effects that I don't care about don't work |
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| 13:01.08 | liable | DexterF: they are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 13:01.14 | Jen | guess it's the 'testing' part that isn't good - just don't now the way to tell 3.1 that it should upgrade to etch |
| 13:01.30 | twb | IIRC I have an rv250, compiz runs as if there is no 3D acceleration at all |
| 13:01.35 | DexterF | liable: actually the new ones are there. |
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| 13:01.45 | twb | But stuff like tremulous and bzflag are playable |
| 13:01.54 | twb | amphi: oh, maybe you're not using the Free driver? |
| 13:01.56 | poncha | [retry] does cpu usage percentage relate in any way to real cpu utilization of the smp machine? (if yes, how?) |
| 13:01.59 | liable | DexterF: ok, packages.debian.org |
| 13:02.05 | Jen | wouldn't 'cat /etc/debian_version' return 'sarge' if it was a normal stable release? |
| 13:02.17 | liable | Jen: etch is stable |
| 13:02.18 | wols | Jen: it would |
| 13:02.22 | poncha | Jen: current stable is etch |
| 13:02.24 | DexterF | twb: 3d fine here on an rv250 with xorg 7.2. the 7.1 radeon module still has some glitches but works so far, too |
| 13:02.27 | amphi | twb: I am; radeon/aiglx - fglrx doesn't support this card at all (not that I was tempted by it in any case) |
| 13:02.27 | wols | liable: not when it was installed back then |
| 13:02.53 | twb | I admit I didn't try very hard to make compiz work |
| 13:03.07 | twb | After all, it's still an occlusive WM when all is said and done |
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| 13:06.05 | liable | Jen: you appear to be using a sarge install disk from when it was an rc disk. paste your sources.list |
| 13:06.11 | amphi | twb: I find it quite usable; wall, expo, and scale are handy |
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| 13:08.02 | Jen | poncha / liable : I know would like to upgrade to etch ;) |
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| 13:08.23 | liable | Jen: i suggest you get a recent stable install disk |
| 13:08.40 | Jen | liable: I can't. It's preinstalled on a VPS |
| 13:08.45 | utab | hi everyone, I was trying to configure mail watcher in xfce desktop, I set it up for the correct imap server and related password and user but it does not notify me for new mail. |
| 13:08.57 | liable | Jen: or install with that disk, and upgrade after you have edited sources.lst |
| 13:09.06 | wols | Jen: update to sarge proper, then update that to etch. and make SURE you have a rescue system by your hoster |
| 13:09.32 | liable | it installs with testing as source |
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| 13:09.51 | wols | liable: he already has a install. and no CD anywhere |
| 13:09.57 | Jen | wols: that's exactly what I would like to do, but can't seem to find a guide to it ;) |
| 13:10.16 | wols | Jen: put "sarge" in your sources.list and update to it |
| 13:10.20 | liable | wols: and he runs dist-upgrade whilst his sources point to testing |
| 13:10.22 | wols | !tell Jen about sarge->etch |
| 13:10.39 | liable | Jen: paste your sources.list |
| 13:10.50 | Jen | (and for the record I'm a OS X/Ubuntu dude so Debian seemd to be the most sane thing to choose) |
| 13:10.54 | Jen | liable: one sec |
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| 13:11.32 | liable | Jen: are you a chick? just so i get the right him/her thing :) |
| 13:11.33 | wols | ahmmm... VPS. that means not being able to change kernels... |
| 13:11.38 | maht | sed is still ascii, 1975 called etc. |
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| 13:12.24 | liable | hehe, wtf was that about |
| 13:12.44 | twb | I think you mean sed is still byte-based. |
| 13:12.58 | Pete_B | p0g0__: are you completely sure mdadm's report of "State - active sync /dev/sdb2" means it's actively syncing? because cat /sys/block/md1/md/sync_action claims it's "idle" so I think 'active sync' doesn't means it's actually syncing |
| 13:13.01 | twb | I don't think it cares whether those bytes represent ascii or herrings |
| 13:13.36 | Jen | liable: http://pastebin.ca/698512 |
| 13:13.46 | Jen | liable: no - have to dissapoint you on that one ;) |
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| 13:14.07 | wols | Jen: we can still pretend |
| 13:14.13 | wols | wanna cyb3r? |
| 13:14.35 | wols | replace the "testing" with "sarge" |
| 13:14.37 | Jen | ha ha yeah - won't go in your way if it means that you'll help me out ;) |
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| 13:14.45 | Jen | wols: ty |
| 13:15.05 | liable | Jen: do that after a fresh install, before upgrading.. |
| 13:15.17 | gimmeapill | what is the clean way to have the modules for my network devices (mii and b44) loaded at startup by udev ? I have to load them manually at each boot |
| 13:15.29 | DexterF | liable: use=version did it then |
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| 13:15.56 | Jen | liable: and then just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ? |
| 13:16.03 | liable | DexterF: nice |
| 13:16.07 | wols | Jen: no |
| 13:16.23 | liable | Jen: as long as you have the fresh install and edit the list beforehand, yes |
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| 13:16.44 | Jen | ha ha "which one to trust..." |
| 13:16.51 | liable | not wols! |
| 13:17.03 | liable | :P |
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| 13:17.27 | liable | unless you cyber with him, maybe he give a little extra help |
| 13:17.42 | Jen | wols: what's your proposal? |
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| 13:18.12 | cast | Jen: who's your VPS provider? |
| 13:18.42 | liable | they suck obviously |
| 13:19.04 | Jen | cast: hexonet.net |
| 13:19.12 | Jen | liable: they are _cheap_ |
| 13:19.43 | liable | Jen: obvioulsy |
| 13:20.01 | liable | they are installing with a rc sarge install which is 3 years old |
| 13:20.15 | Jen | liable: yeah I know |
| 13:20.28 | cast | Jen: hmm, can't find the vps page in en, what do they charge and for what? |
| 13:20.48 | Jen | cast: ~6 euro |
| 13:21.12 | cast | ahh. that is check. what virtualization do they use? |
| 13:21.16 | cast | cheap* |
| 13:21.39 | Jen | http://hexonet.net/page/products/vserver.php?SETLANGUAGE=en_US |
| 13:22.01 | Jen | cast: Virtozzo |
| 13:22.37 | wols | the "free" virtuozzo version? also from 3 years back? |
| 13:22.40 | Jen | s/Virtozzo/Virtuozzo |
| 13:22.45 | liable | Jen: even though they are cheap, i would make a point of telling them that they are asking for their hosts to be pwned due to there badly outdated initial install |
| 13:22.48 | Jen | wols: no idea ;) |
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| 13:23.05 | liable | Jen: the sarge kernels from that era have some pretty funky exploits in them |
| 13:23.13 | Jen | liable: ok |
| 13:23.20 | Crashed | Hey guys, how can I check my disk space quota on my user? |
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| 13:23.43 | cast | ahh, openvz based...ok getting them to recompile a kernel would be a giant bitch then [uml is easy enough, xen is really easy] |
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| 13:24.46 | Jen | but all the bad things aside their support is great (never waited more than 15 mins for an answer) and their servers seems to be quite stable |
| 13:25.08 | Jen | had a host running for more than a year some years ago |
| 13:25.20 | iveqy3 | hi, I need help. I've got a linux machine (ubuntu hoary) that I what to install debian on. I've got a floppy and a 128 MB usb stick and a bios not able to boot from usb. How to do that? |
| 13:25.30 | liable | in virtualisation world, would the kernel exploits work? |
| 13:26.17 | Jen | anyway - is the any good VPS providers in that price range? |
| 13:26.24 | liable | iveqy3: get the hd-media kernal and initrd, add it to grub menu and boot from it |
| 13:26.28 | cast | linode if you can afford 20USD |
| 13:27.00 | cast | [300M RAM, 8G disk, 200G xfer] |
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| 13:27.23 | liable | iveqy3: debian still has floppies, but the hd-media kernel would be better |
| 13:27.31 | wols | liable: the exploit would only exploit the VPS. barring any special patches from the VPS software itself, it'S a normal linux kernel of that era and epxloitable |
| 13:27.45 | iveqy3 | liable: thank you =). Is there any docs on this, or can I ask questions here? |
| 13:27.52 | Jen | cast: is ram etc burstable? |
| 13:28.00 | liable | wols: ok, so its still a problem then. |
| 13:28.13 | cast | Jen: no. |
| 13:28.18 | liable | iveqy3: its mentioned in the install guide :) |
| 13:28.31 | Jen | cast: ok |
| 13:28.33 | cast | Jen: i don't quite understand burstable ram though, seems dodgy |
| 13:28.34 | liable | iveqy3: once you have read that, feel free to ask here |
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| 13:29.10 | Jen | tried vpslink.com and didn't notice, that ram wasn't burstable - that left me with a 64mb host willing to run NOTHING |
| 13:29.21 | cast | wols: as in openvz/vserver there is only one kernel running, i wonder if the exploit could affect the host OS |
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| 13:31.58 | Jen | mmmh and linode has ubuntu too (no flaming intended but that's what I know the best :) ) |
| 13:32.21 | cast | not sure how ubuntu beats debian in the server space but ok :P |
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| 13:32.59 | Jen | cast: didn't say that it does - that's just what I know the best (not that it means much) |
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| 13:35.05 | cast | fair enough. i am unaware how much difference there is once you get down to a using-everything-via-ssh level |
| 13:35.06 | liable | iveqy3: i'll even give you a hint seeing as you are coming over from the dumb side.. oops i meant dark side :) http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 13:35.23 | iveqy3 | liable: thx, found it :) going for reboot and installation now :) |
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| 13:35.31 | liable | iveqy3: sweet |
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| 13:36.22 | iveqy3 | liable: no, not the dark side... The debian side ;) |
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| 13:36.49 | liable | from i said! :) |
| 13:36.58 | mmmmmmmmm | I'm trying to compile a php extension but it complains: No package 'libxml-2.0' found, I checked that i have it through apt-get install libxml2 |
| 13:37.02 | mmmmmmmmm | what should i do to make it work |
| 13:37.12 | liable | get the -dev package |
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| 13:37.22 | liable | \and a much less annoying nick |
| 13:37.22 | poncha | mmmmmmmmm: libxml2-dev |
| 13:37.30 | mmmmmmmmm | ok, i'll try |
| 13:37.42 | liable | it looks like a milipede |
| 13:37.50 | defrysk | apt-cache search libxml | grep dev |
| 13:38.43 | mmmmmmmmm | so what 's the reason after those -dev packages, these contain the source files? |
| 13:38.50 | liable | headers |
| 13:39.11 | mmmmmmmmm | thx |
| 13:39.13 | liable | that nick hurts my eyes! |
| 13:39.36 | mmmmmmmmm | configure now runs correctly |
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| 13:40.17 | liable | unfortunately nickometer wont work on it |
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| 13:43.05 | smokestack | is there a switch in find to only search for directory names? |
| 13:43.27 | cast | sure is. |
| 13:43.57 | cast | man find |
| 13:43.58 | smokestack | what is the switch in find to only search for directory names? |
| 13:43.59 | smokestack | =) |
| 13:44.02 | cast | /directory |
| 13:44.06 | smokestack | i've been looking for a good while |
| 13:44.08 | cast | push n a few times till you find it :) |
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| 13:44.46 | cast | on the 16th n i hit it :D [which doesn't take as long as it sounds] |
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| 13:45.02 | smokestack | it does if you don't know what to look for |
| 13:45.27 | Absolute0 | !ati |
| 13:45.27 | dpkg | Want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. --- I've heard the driver control panel app needs 32bit libs to compile under 64b, or chris.evenden@amd.com, or and open specs announced 2007-09-05. |
| 13:45.35 | Absolute0 | !fglrx |
| 13:45.35 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
| 13:46.04 | liable | !msg the bot |
| 13:46.04 | dpkg | i guess msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 13:46.14 | cast | smokestack: trype /-type then. |
| 13:46.22 | cast | s/trype/try |
| 13:46.38 | smokestack | cast, thanks |
| 13:46.43 | mmmmmmmmm | liable: now i get this while doing "make" sqlite3.h: No such file or directory |
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| 13:47.01 | liable | mmmmmmmmm: so search for the package that has that file |
| 13:47.02 | mmmmmmmmm | while i have sqlite3 installed |
| 13:47.08 | mmmmmmmmm | thx |
| 13:47.10 | liable | !tell mmmmmmmmm about search |
| 13:47.57 | twb | SQL is a commmunist spy network |
| 13:48.17 | twb | If you use it, Fritz has won the war |
| 13:48.19 | mfrisch | liable: man hello |
| 13:48.24 | liable | mmmmmmmmm: change your nick please, its very annoying to look at |
| 13:48.28 | gener1c | humz |
| 13:48.33 | Jen | wols: sure the upgrade died on some kernel update related stuff: http://pastebin.ca/698534 |
| 13:48.36 | mmmmmmmmm | sorry :) |
| 13:48.36 | liable | mfrisch: hrm? |
| 13:48.57 | mfrisch | liable: and ten less mmmmm's isn't better ;) |
| 13:49.07 | twb | Remind me, who were we violently afraid of before the germans, before the russians, before the arabs? |
| 13:49.11 | liable | michiel__: thanks |
| 13:49.14 | binfalse | hey |
| 13:49.34 | michiel__ | now i get libsqlite3-dev: Depends: libsqlite3-0 (= 3.3.8-1.1) but 3.3.14-1 |
| 13:49.48 | michiel__ | how can i solve something like that |
| 13:49.50 | binfalse | ?? |
| 13:50.04 | cast | twb: all i remember was before the world was going to be destroyed by terrorists it was child molesters that we had to fight [via surveliance] |
| 13:50.17 | Absolute0 | what pkg is flashplugin i cant seem to find it with apt-cache |
| 13:50.30 | liable | cast: and druggies before that |
| 13:50.32 | cast | Absolute0: /msg dpkg flash |
| 13:50.37 | liable | cast: and commies before that |
| 13:50.38 | Absolute0 | cast i did.. |
| 13:50.40 | Absolute0 | oh well |
| 13:50.41 | defrysk | flashplugin-non-free |
| 13:50.43 | twb | cast: Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear -- kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor -- with the cry of grave national emergency... Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant sums demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real. -- General |
| 13:50.43 | twb | Douglas MacArthur, 1957 |
| 13:50.46 | defrysk | or something |
| 13:50.57 | defrysk | flashplugin-nonfree |
| 13:50.57 | mfrisch | liable: then people of color... |
| 13:51.05 | liable | mfrisch: indeed |
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| 13:51.28 | cast | twb: there's that rather interesting bbc doco available for download, i presume you've seen that? the power of nightmares |
| 13:51.33 | liable | mfrisch: seems they are getting a second round :( |
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| 13:52.01 | twb | I don't watch television |
| 13:52.15 | twb | With the exception of british comedy |
| 13:52.15 | liable | its on teh intarwebs |
| 13:52.16 | cast | twb: it never aired on american tv, but its here: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares :) |
| 13:52.27 | twb | I certainly don't download video over the internet |
| 13:52.32 | Absolute0 | defrysk: i dont think that pkg exists anymore |
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| 13:52.35 | twb | I can't afford that much bandwidth |
| 13:52.48 | liable | twb: sucks to be you |
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| 13:52.56 | Absolute0 | defrysk: i added the non-free repo to sources.list and updated apt but still not there |
| 13:52.57 | twb | http://tellthetruthtelstra.com |
| 13:52.59 | Absolute0 | :( |
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| 13:53.06 | defrysk | apt-cache search flash | grep nonfree |
| 13:53.06 | defrysk | flashplugin-nonfree - Adobe Flash Player plugin installer |
| 13:53.36 | Absolute0 | ramin@debian:~$ apt-cache search flash | grep nonfree |
| 13:53.37 | Absolute0 | ramin@debian:~$ |
| 13:53.38 | michiel__ | lilalinux: any idea on how i would solve that broken package error, best option to build it also or can i do some way through apt? |
| 13:53.40 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 13:53.46 | mfrisch | liable: most people can justify anything |
| 13:53.47 | Absolute0 | maybe i need contrib as well? |
| 13:53.58 | defrysk | contrib would be handy yes |
| 13:54.26 | twb | Our government sold the telco company about ten years ago and now they just work to make the public poor and the shareholders rich like any other capitalist organization |
| 13:54.29 | liable | twb: get a better isp |
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| 13:54.39 | twb | liable: I'm working on that |
| 13:54.54 | force | is it just debootstrap or is every version of sarge missing /etc/shadow |
| 13:55.00 | liable | twb: and yes, i live under the tyranical hand of telstra |
| 13:55.08 | Jen | liable: do you get anything from this: http://pastebin.ca/698534 |
| 13:55.16 | defrysk | flashplugin is in contrib |
| 13:55.25 | mfrisch | liable: uhm there is no bug for my avahi prob...;-( |
| 13:55.25 | Cerel | What's needed by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to detect my hardware ? (I'm trying to setup xorg inside a vserver guest and dpkg doesn't detect my ATI onboard card) |
| 13:56.06 | mfrisch | Cerel: uhm no vizualization no full hardware |
| 13:56.12 | liable | mfrisch: ah, i forgot what you were asking about. stew had no idea either. try asking him now, he was here not long ago |
| 13:56.45 | mfrisch | stew: you around still? |
| 13:56.55 | liable | Jen: is this after a fresh install? |
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| 13:57.43 | Jen | liable: yeah. Fresh install, edit sources to 'sarge', apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 13:58.17 | liable | Jen: install a 2.6 kernel |
| 13:58.31 | michiel__ | how can i check which kernel i 'm running? |
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| 13:58.37 | defrysk | try apt-get -f install |
| 13:58.42 | defrysk | Jen, |
| 13:58.43 | SpeedyG | michiel__: uname -a |
| 13:58.46 | SpeedyG | or uname -r |
| 13:59.15 | cast | Cerel: theres some ability you have to allow the guest before you can run x in a vserver guest, i can't recall - its in the wiki |
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| 13:59.38 | Cerel | mfrisch, well, it seems X can run in a guest just fine, but i'm just a lazy one that doesn't want to manualy confgure xorg.conf, so i was hoping to make dpkg make the work |
| 14:00.29 | Jen | defrysk: http://pastebin.ca/698541 |
| 14:00.29 | Cerel | cast, it's CAP_RAW_IO, I have X working, i'm just wondering what's preventing dpkg to auto detect my hardware |
| 14:01.12 | mfrisch | Cerel: uhm should work but honestly I have not done a desktop dom before... |
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| 14:01.30 | liable | Jen: install a 2.6 kernel. boot into it and try and upgrade |
| 14:01.36 | Aidy | does this look okay? http://omploader.org/vNDM3 |
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| 14:02.14 | defrysk | Jen, sound like a plan , you could also try to let aptitude install it, its a bit more powerful |
| 14:02.29 | mfrisch | liable: Restarting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemon failed! |
| 14:02.32 | liable | erm, aptitude wont hep with that |
| 14:03.00 | liable | mfrisch: you need to get more meaningfull logs than that |
| 14:03.52 | mfrisch | liable: I know ;-) uhm but I didn't do anything except connect to a public net ;-( |
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| 14:04.07 | Jen | liable / defrysk: uname -r gives '2.6.9-023stab044.4-enterprise' |
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| 14:04.40 | liable | Jen: eww. |
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| 14:04.45 | defrysk | Jen, thats old |
| 14:05.07 | liable | Jen: change your sources to etch |
| 14:05.20 | mfrisch | liable: I am embarrased....uhm no space on /var (don't tell anyone) |
| 14:05.33 | liable | Jen: then follow the release notes |
| 14:05.42 | liable | mfrisch: heh, logs out of control? |
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| 14:06.22 | mfrisch | liable: uhm hoping just too many debs |
| 14:06.22 | Jen | liable: ok - I'll try that |
| 14:06.36 | plb | trying to get back into programming..should I go with python or ruby? |
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| 14:07.00 | liable | Jen: you have a mongrel box atm, so this prolly isnt going to be easy |
| 14:07.05 | twb | plb: no. |
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| 14:07.24 | Absolute0 | Download done. |
| 14:07.24 | Absolute0 | md5sum mismatch install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz |
| 14:07.24 | Absolute0 | The Flash plugin is NOT installed. |
| 14:07.25 | Absolute0 | :( |
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| 14:07.29 | plb | twb: never heard of that language =) |
| 14:07.32 | force | i'm getting a weird logon problem, for some reason the system im using wasn't using shadow passwords so i turned them on, with pwconv but when i logon and enter a username it immediately says Login incorrect, it doesn't prompt for a password before saying that |
| 14:07.33 | twb | plb: learn Haskell, Smalltalk, Scheme or Lisp, and Factor or Forth. |
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| 14:07.37 | liable | Jen: but update your sources and follow the instructions in the release notes, and get back with problems |
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| 14:07.52 | defrysk | Absolute0, get the one from testing or unstable |
| 14:08.01 | Cerel | What does lspci use to "detect" the hardware ? I mean, is there a database or something ? |
| 14:08.04 | anand | How do I change the font on tty ? |
| 14:08.05 | liable | Jen: dont 'upgrade' just change your sources and follow the release notes |
| 14:08.13 | twb | The reason being they aren't just a rehash of stale ideas in a badly-designed and -implemented interpreter. |
| 14:08.29 | twb | They will teach you to look at problems in more than once way. |
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| 14:09.07 | wols | Cerel: PCI is designed to tell the host what cards/devices are there |
| 14:09.26 | wols | the translation from device nunmbers to Names does a text file |
| 14:09.41 | plb | but isn't ruby the "cool" thing these days ;] |
| 14:09.57 | twb | No. |
| 14:10.09 | plb | lol |
| 14:10.18 | twb | If you want to get paid instead of educated, learn Python and Java and PHP. |
| 14:10.38 | Cerel | wols, yeah i know, but i'm playing around with vservers, and if I copy lspci into a vserver, the poor lspci doesn't "detect" my hardware, but if I use it on the host, it works |
| 14:10.38 | twb | Ruby has a smaller user base than Python and isn't different enough for anyone to care about it. |
| 14:10.40 | Absolute0 | when i am adding a repository to sources.list is it enough to just add it to the first line or i need to put it on everyline? |
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| 14:11.25 | wols | Cerel: probably the vserver doesn't allow the guest to access the hardware, which is only reasonable |
| 14:11.25 | twb | Absolute0: what do you mean "add it to the first line"? |
| 14:11.43 | twb | Absolute0: each non-comment, non-blank line in sources.list represents exactly one repository. |
| 14:11.47 | wols | Absolute0: every line is ONE repository |
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| 14:12.10 | Cerel | wols, i've added the necessary capabilities, lspci seems to see the devices, but it doesn't "know" them |
| 14:12.31 | wols | Cerel: "see" how? |
| 14:12.37 | dennis- | twb: wrong, lots of people care about ruby :) |
| 14:12.38 | wols | pastebin output please |
| 14:12.39 | defrysk | you can add the same line and change the etc word into sid or lenny if thats what you want |
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| 14:12.46 | dendrite | Quick question: Is it possible to set up a repo (using scanpackage, or ??) to host multiple versions of the same package? |
| 14:12.59 | Absolute0 | i mean the version of that repository |
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| 14:13.03 | dendrite | scanpackages, even. |
| 14:13.05 | dennis- | twb: in fact me and a lot of friends are paid good money to write ruby code each day, and it's not difficult to get jobs |
| 14:13.11 | niuq | how can i mount an usb memory? |
| 14:13.20 | Absolute0 | defrysk: told me to get flashplugin from testing |
| 14:13.22 | Absolute0 | so how would i do that? |
| 14:13.25 | wols | Absolute0: every line is a repo, period |
| 14:13.29 | twb | dennis-: so you live in an area with an abnormally high ruby density |
| 14:13.31 | Cerel | wols, "05:02.0 Class 0300: Unknown device 1002:515e (rev 02)" as an example |
| 14:13.39 | dendrite | dpkg-scanpackages, even... %-/ |
| 14:13.44 | twb | Just like Boston has lots of Lispers and Cambridge has lots of Haskellers |
| 14:13.49 | wols | Cerel: update-pciids |
| 14:13.51 | Absolute0 | period end of story! |
| 14:13.52 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 14:14.20 | wols | !tell Absolute0 about non-free |
| 14:14.25 | defrysk | Absolute0, just get it from here : http://packages.debian.org/lenny/flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 14:14.40 | dendrite | Ah, -m |
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| 14:15.02 | liable | Jen: remove the 2.4 you have too |
| 14:15.12 | Prax01D | Today is Software Freedom Day: http://softwarefreedomday.org |
| 14:15.22 | Jen | liable: yeah just did that |
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| 14:15.40 | wols | liable: in a VPS he cannot simply change the kernel. the new (debian) kernel probably won't run |
| 14:15.47 | wols | one needs a patched kernel |
| 14:16.18 | liable | wols: well, his upgrade was trying to upgrade a 2.4 kernel which he isnt running and baulking on it |
| 14:16.38 | wols | he needs to run the original kernel from his hoster or ask his hoster which kernel to use |
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| 14:18.00 | dendrite | When building a deb, what's the Right Way to set ownership and permissions on files in the new package? Currently we're doing chown and chmod on the tree before we build the package... |
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| 14:19.04 | gr8ron | when installing a linux-image on Debian, where does the system read the device name for the call to /sbin/update-grub? |
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| 14:22.05 | Luck_laptop | !cat |
| 14:22.05 | dpkg | methinks cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. see also <more> <less> <dog> |
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| 14:30.51 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:30.52 | dpkg | <Nexus> And how can I recursively shut off the sticky bit? <Nexus> greycat, Well, because I don't like it. :) Because I don't fully understand it and have never used it. |
| 14:30.59 | Absolute0 | i got alsa installed but i have no sound |
| 14:31.14 | Absolute0 | alsamixer shows that volume is unmuted and max |
| 14:31.35 | Absolute0 | pcm has muting option |
| 14:31.37 | cahoot | best test alsa with aplay, like aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav - in a terminal |
| 14:31.42 | Absolute0 | any suggestions? |
| 14:31.57 | cahoot | Absolute0, ^^ |
| 14:32.10 | CalJohn | anyone know a graphical graphing program? ie, can show a visual representation of y=2x |
| 14:32.10 | Absolute0 | well i tried youtube it didnt work |
| 14:32.11 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 14:32.41 | Absolute0 | cahoot: neither did that file |
| 14:32.47 | cahoot | Absolute0, aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav - in a terminal might give you some useful info |
| 14:33.03 | cahoot | no error ? |
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| 14:33.18 | Absolute0 | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono |
| 14:33.21 | Absolute0 | nope no error |
| 14:33.42 | cahoot | I bet this is a snd-hda-intel |
| 14:34.01 | liable | alsa-checklist |
| 14:34.02 | war | debian has the worst installer of any distribution for linux today; don't get me wrong I love debian have it on 5-6 machines but the installer is utter trash if you have anything more than 1 cdrom and 1 hdd |
| 14:34.06 | liable | !alsa-checklist |
| 14:34.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 14:34.08 | Absolute0 | Chip: SigmaTel STAC9200 |
| 14:34.10 | CalJohn | twb: cambridge in the UK? |
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| 14:34.30 | war | spent nearly 5 hours with someone on the phone helping to get debian 4.0 installed using XFS and more than 1 hdd |
| 14:34.32 | war | bugs out the ass |
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| 14:34.39 | cahoot | liable, that factoid is becoming obsolete |
| 14:34.45 | liable | war: interesting, i installed it with software raid three years ago |
| 14:34.51 | badcfe | hello. how do i burn mp3 files as raw music to an audio cd? |
| 14:34.51 | liable | cahoot: so fix it |
| 14:35.09 | abrotman | badcfe: many burning aps will convert on the fly |
| 14:35.11 | Absolute0 | liable: is that a command? i can't find it in apt-cache |
| 14:35.26 | liable | Absolute0: no, see what dpkg said |
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| 14:35.36 | badcfe | abrotman: cdrecord? |
| 14:35.37 | Absolute0 | how? |
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| 14:35.45 | liable | eh? |
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| 14:35.48 | EmanueleT | Hello |
| 14:35.49 | abrotman | badcfe: ah .. no |
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| 14:35.59 | abrotman | badcfe: i meant GUI burning apps :) |
| 14:36.05 | EmanueleT | I'm installing Debian right now for use in a web and mail server |
| 14:36.17 | badcfe | abrotman: rythmbox? |
| 14:36.30 | abrotman | is not a burning app |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | gnomebaker is |
| 14:36.36 | EmanueleT | I've selected "Web server" and "Mail server" as usage features of my system, and Debian installed Exim as mta |
| 14:36.47 | badcfe | abrotman: ill go for gnomus baccus |
| 14:36.51 | Absolute0 | liable: how do i see what dpkg said? |
| 14:36.56 | Absolute0 | it didnt say anything |
| 14:36.57 | twb | CalJohn: yes. |
| 14:36.58 | liable | Absolute0: scroll up |
| 14:37.00 | Absolute0 | alsa came with debian |
| 14:37.02 | Absolute0 | :-D |
| 14:37.04 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 14:37.05 | EmanueleT | is there a good howto about it? I need virtual domains, authentication, imap, webmail... |
| 14:37.07 | Absolute0 | hehe |
| 14:37.21 | abrotman | !exim |
| 14:37.21 | dpkg | exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. Freely available under the GPL. It is similar to Smail 3. http://www.exim.org, very much like sendmail, including security holes all over the place, consider switching to <exim4> for security and speed improvements, or to clean the mail queue and delete pending e-mail, use "mailq | awk '{print $3}' | xargs exim -Mrm" |
| 14:37.25 | abrotman | cute .. |
| 14:37.27 | twb | CalJohn: I believe that is where the MS Research teams that make up an apparently large part of the Haskell community come from. |
| 14:37.35 | abrotman | EmanueleT: you can pick another MTA if you're more familiar with it |
| 14:38.21 | EmanueleT | abrotman: I found some good howtos about Postfix, none for Exim... how can I remove exim completely from my system? I never used Debian before now |
| 14:38.36 | abrotman | EmanueleT: just install postfix |
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| 14:38.38 | EmanueleT | I mean, how can I remove Exim and all his not used dependencies |
| 14:38.41 | abrotman | aptitude install postfix |
| 14:38.49 | EmanueleT | well... |
| 14:38.56 | EmanueleT | but this will not remove exim! :\ |
| 14:39.01 | valdyn | EmanueleT: it will |
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| 14:39.04 | liable | bullshit |
| 14:39.13 | abrotman | EmanueleT: yes it will |
| 14:39.31 | EmanueleT | ah, ok :-) |
| 14:39.39 | EmanueleT | that's great |
| 14:39.41 | geo-rge | EmanueleT: -assuming- you had used aptitude the whole time, you could do that because aptitude keeps track. |
| 14:39.50 | geo-rge | if you did not... |
| 14:40.02 | liable | then it would still get removed.. |
| 14:40.15 | geo-rge | then you have to find the packages yourself and/or use orphan |
| 14:40.21 | valdyn | geo-rge: no difference is he did not |
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| 14:40.26 | geo-rge | or what's that thing called? |
| 14:40.32 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 14:40.40 | geo-rge | thanks |
| 14:41.00 | geo-rge | is that thing just for libs? |
| 14:41.15 | Absolute0 | liable: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp wont work as root |
| 14:41.18 | valdyn | geo-rge: its pointless for apps |
| 14:41.27 | Jen | liable: which kernel shoud i try to install? The release notes says to look for something similar to the output of uname -r (2.6.9-023stab044.4-enterprise) but the don't seem do be anything matching that |
| 14:41.32 | liable | Absolute0: define 'wont work' |
| 14:41.32 | Absolute0 | now it does |
| 14:41.42 | liable | Jen: 2.6.18 |
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| 14:41.43 | Jen | liable: when running apt-cache search linux-image-2.6- | grep -v transition that is |
| 14:41.49 | Absolute0 | liable: bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 14:42.00 | valdyn | Absolute0: 'fuser /dev/dsp' |
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| 14:42.19 | liable | Jen: but wols thinks that wont work. i really have no clue about this virtual stuff, see if he has an idea |
| 14:42.29 | liable | Absolute0: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 14:42.30 | geo-rge | EmanueleT: there are lots of docs |
| 14:42.30 | Jen | liable: ok ;) |
| 14:42.31 | Absolute0 | valdyn: great command! thanks a lot! |
| 14:42.32 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 14:42.49 | geo-rge | great caesar's command! |
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| 14:43.00 | liable | omfg!?! |
| 14:43.14 | Absolute0 | ehh no sound or ati on this stupid latpop?! |
| 14:43.15 | Absolute0 | :( |
| 14:43.20 | geo-rge | sorry, was channeling j jonah jameson |
| 14:43.33 | Absolute0 | its even worse on windows |
| 14:43.35 | Absolute0 | hehe |
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| 14:44.39 | masus | hi all , want to install debian on a pc with Western Digital 80GB SCSI, but can't find the drivers |
| 14:44.47 | geo-rge | EmanueleT: but in next release or three, all the apty stuff will have that functionality so it will always be possible |
| 14:45.04 | Absolute0 | Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono but nothing comes out of the speakre |
| 14:45.10 | Absolute0 | *speakers |
| 14:45.15 | Absolute0 | how is that possible? |
| 14:45.20 | Absolute0 | volume is max |
| 14:45.25 | supaman | hey .. I am using fetchmail to get my mail and procmail to sort it, but in /var/log/mail.log I get a lot of "Error while writing to "~/.procmaillog"" ... why is that? |
| 14:45.43 | Absolute0 | and laptop speakers dont have volume control |
| 14:45.48 | cahoot | Absolute0, you are aware mute is different from levels? |
| 14:46.06 | Absolute0 | i can only unmute max volume |
| 14:46.08 | liable | Absolute0: as root? |
| 14:46.10 | cTATUK | Does anyone know why Audacity doesn't recognize any audio device and starts up with this error: "There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer. You will net be able to play or record audio. Error: Host error." ? |
| 14:46.10 | Absolute0 | and its not muted |
| 14:46.15 | geo-rge | but as of now (in etch), aptitude keeps track, apt-get does not |
| 14:46.16 | Absolute0 | liable: yes |
| 14:47.07 | spx2 | Konqueror displays these rectangles instead of characters,I thought maybe it should display some insects instead of them,itd'be funnier |
| 14:47.09 | Absolute0 | even my module is loaded |
| 14:47.10 | spx2 | :D |
| 14:47.45 | Absolute0 | whats the command that lists all connected hardware? |
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| 14:48.00 | cahoot | cTATUK, fuser -v /dev/dsp* /dev/snd* - anything returned? |
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| 14:48.14 | Absolute0 | i dont have lshw |
| 14:48.15 | defrysk | absolute , open volume control and see if pcm is also opened |
| 14:48.24 | Absolute0 | its max |
| 14:48.32 | Absolute0 | but no mute/unmute option |
| 14:48.39 | spx2 | Absolute0: theres no such thing ... |
| 14:48.45 | spx2 | Absolute0: lspci ? |
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| 14:48.48 | spx2 | Absolute0: mount |
| 14:48.52 | Absolute0 | lspci is only pci |
| 14:48.54 | spx2 | Absolute0: dmesg |
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| 14:49.03 | Xenguy | Absolute0: lspci ? |
| 14:49.04 | Absolute0 | i also want screens |
| 14:49.04 | defrysk | Absolute0, doubleclick your speaker icon and check |
| 14:49.18 | cTATUK | cahoot: Nothing. |
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| 14:49.38 | ivan` | is anyone seeing SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number in the courier-imap-ssl in unstable? |
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| 14:50.01 | cahoot | cTATUK, IIRC audacity uses /dev/dsp - that device exists? |
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| 14:50.16 | clausen | I have installed openvpn on debian server and a ubuntu client.. When i start openvpn on the client it works fine, but I cant get on the internet, somebody who knows why ? |
| 14:50.29 | supaman | ivan`: I am using unstable ... how would I see that? :) |
| 14:50.31 | cTATUK | cahoot: Yes. |
| 14:51.00 | abrotman | clausen: what's your route ? dns ? |
| 14:51.09 | ivan` | supaman: try to have an iphone connect to a courier-imap/TLS server |
| 14:51.10 | ivan` | heh |
| 14:51.14 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:51.14 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:51.22 | cahoot | cTATUK, other sound apps - like aplay - works as expected? |
| 14:51.24 | clausen | abrotman, my nameserver in resolv.conf is correct |
| 14:51.25 | supaman | ivan`: ahh .. ok .. dont have iphone :) |
| 14:52.10 | cTATUK | cahoot: yeah |
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| 14:52.52 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 14:53.07 | Absolute0 | anyone knows of a free image pasting site without a login so that i can show you guys my alsamixer? |
| 14:53.08 | ribnitz | how do I delete data from a dvd-rw? |
| 14:53.12 | cTATUK | cahoot: Actuall aplay produces static when running 'aplay file.mp3' but totem plays the file just fine |
| 14:54.05 | cahoot | cTATUK, that's expected aplay can't handle mp3 |
| 14:54.25 | cTATUK | ah |
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| 14:54.47 | cTATUK | i just tried to chmod 666 /dev/dsp that didn't help |
| 14:55.08 | cTATUK | audacity USED to work on this exact system but now doesn't suddenly, even after trying to reinstall audacity |
| 14:55.57 | masus | hi all , want to install debian on a pc with Western Digital 80GB SATA, but debian can't find the hd |
| 14:56.48 | Absolute0 | here is my alsamixer screen http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshothz4.png like i said no pcm mute/unmute |
| 14:57.02 | Absolute0 | i think thats the problem |
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| 14:57.23 | liable | masus: its not the hard drive model that matters, its the controller chip |
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| 14:58.21 | Absolute0 | liable: can you look at that link? |
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| 14:58.54 | masus | liable: i'll see |
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| 15:00.07 | supaman | Absolute0: I find the Gnome alsa mixer more easy to work with, aptitude install gnome-alsamixer |
| 15:00.26 | cahoot | master seems unmuted |
| 15:01.00 | Absolute0 | supaman: i doubt that will help |
| 15:01.06 | Absolute0 | but i am trying it |
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| 15:01.34 | masus | liable: where to read the controller chip |
| 15:01.40 | masus | on the hd ? |
| 15:01.52 | liable | masus: google your mobo |
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| 15:03.16 | Absolute0 | ehh |
| 15:03.22 | Absolute0 | so no solution to my problem? |
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| 15:03.33 | Absolute0 | !alsa-checklist |
| 15:03.33 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 15:03.35 | adrigm | nas |
| 15:03.43 | wols | masus: your motherboard controller chip. you use lspci to check |
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| 15:04.26 | Absolute0 | whats arts? |
| 15:04.36 | masus | i have to install first debian for make lspci ? |
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| 15:05.00 | masus | :) |
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| 15:05.18 | wols | masus: no |
| 15:05.24 | wols | !artsd |
| 15:05.24 | dpkg | from memory, artsd is the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 15:05.53 | samuel | anyone know of any decent replacements for final cut pro on linux? |
| 15:06.03 | Absolute0 | do i need arts or esound? |
| 15:06.10 | wols | you don't need either |
| 15:06.15 | Absolute0 | ehh |
| 15:06.19 | masus | wols: howto please explain |
| 15:06.20 | Absolute0 | this sucks |
| 15:06.34 | wols | masus: what mainboard do you have? |
| 15:06.41 | masus | ok one mom |
| 15:06.41 | wols | and what chipset does your mainboard have? |
| 15:06.48 | Absolute0 | how do i check what kind of monitor i have? |
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| 15:07.27 | Absolute0 | i only see my videocard in lspci |
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| 15:07.37 | wols | s0d0: AVID perhaps |
| 15:07.45 | ribnitz | Absolute0: read-edid? |
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| 15:08.53 | Absolute0 | ribnitz: whats the command for it ? |
| 15:08.57 | Absolute0 | just installed it :) |
| 15:09.02 | wols | Absolute0: he just told you |
| 15:09.15 | wols | Absolute0: dpkg -L |
| 15:09.17 | Absolute0 | thats not the command |
| 15:09.31 | Absolute0 | maybe i need to logout first.. |
| 15:09.35 | ribnitz | Absolute0: call with --help first though, because usually the output is not really readable. |
| 15:09.38 | wols | no. it's a better command. using it you can learn something for the future |
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| 15:10.55 | Absolute0 | its get-edid |
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| 15:11.55 | Absolute0 | get-edid|parse-edid |
| 15:11.57 | Absolute0 | :) |
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| 15:15.28 | Absolute0 | so does anyone know how i can get audio on my laptop? |
| 15:15.36 | clausen | I have installed openvpn on debian server and a ubuntu client.. When i start openvpn on the client it works fine, but I cant get on the internet, somebody who knows why ? |
| 15:16.08 | defrysk | Absolute0, run alsamixer |
| 15:16.14 | Absolute0 | yi did |
| 15:16.16 | Absolute0 | I did |
| 15:16.28 | defrysk | and if stuf is unmuted/opened it should work |
| 15:16.34 | Absolute0 | http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshothz4.png |
| 15:16.39 | Absolute0 | well it doesnt |
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| 15:18.56 | defrysk | Absolute0, pcm has no highlighted green 00 |
| 15:19.35 | Absolute0 | thats what i was trying to say all this time |
| 15:19.39 | gryfie__ | Absolute: Is it an older one? |
| 15:19.50 | cahoot | defrysk, FYI neither has mine - works fine with only master unmuted |
| 15:19.52 | Absolute0 | older what? |
| 15:20.01 | Absolute0 | defrysk: when i press m by pcm nothing happens |
| 15:20.08 | gryfie__ | your laptop |
| 15:20.11 | fasta | I changed /etc/fstab to get a tmpfs and then mount -a, while a graphical session was running. All the temporary files to make up a valid X session (all kinds of sockets files) are now gone. Is there a way to "restart Gnome" without killing any programs I started in gnome-terminal? |
| 15:20.19 | Absolute0 | i just got it 2 days ago! |
| 15:20.27 | Nyle | hi |
| 15:20.35 | Nyle | simonrvn: you here? |
| 15:21.02 | masus | wols:Intel® Pentium® D Processor 820, SiS 662, S-ATA HDD |
| 15:21.30 | Absolute0 | cahoot: any other suggestions? |
| 15:21.31 | gryfie__ | *rereding, what your audio-problem was* *scroll* |
| 15:21.32 | Absolute0 | or no sound for me? |
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| 15:21.40 | Absolute0 | how do i start esound? |
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| 15:21.50 | Absolute0 | its not in init.d |
| 15:21.55 | cahoot | Absolute0, my guess is you need a newer alsaversion |
| 15:21.59 | defrysk | Absolute0, hit sigmatel stac9200 alsa in google and find out whats wrong :( |
| 15:22.07 | Nyle | I am running alsaconf and its not saving my settings. it fails cuz no audio devices found, but it is detected. once before, simonrvn had said someohting about a .sh script you had tor un which resided somewhere, which would generate the correct device nodes |
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| 15:22.15 | Nyle | where can i find this script? |
| 15:22.21 | Aidy | hi, what are the kernel sources called in debian again? |
| 15:22.25 | masus | wols: and here are all detailed information http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-65948 |
| 15:22.33 | Aidy | and also, the nvidia installer complains about CC not being the same version as the one the kernel was compiled with |
| 15:22.35 | Absolute0 | cahoot: the stable version isnt good? |
| 15:22.38 | Aidy | this is in lenny |
| 15:22.58 | liable | Aidy: linux-source-<version> |
| 15:23.02 | cahoot | Absolute0, that's not what I said |
| 15:23.24 | cahoot | Absolute0, you devices uses snd-hda-intel? |
| 15:23.29 | cahoot | meh |
| 15:23.31 | Absolute0 | i think so |
| 15:23.35 | Nyle | does anyone know? |
| 15:23.37 | Aidy | liable: thank you :) |
| 15:23.46 | Absolute0 | thats what alsoconf picked up |
| 15:23.50 | Nyle | I need to generate the audio device nodes like /dev/dsp |
| 15:23.50 | cahoot | Absolute0, that driver is work in progress |
| 15:23.52 | Nyle | dunno how |
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| 15:24.15 | cahoot | Nyle, simply loading snd-pcm-oss doesn't fix it? |
| 15:24.20 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 15:24.22 | Absolute0 | so there we go |
| 15:24.26 | Nyle | cahoot: no |
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| 15:24.34 | gustavo | !nagios |
| 15:24.34 | dpkg | Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application software. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better. |
| 15:24.38 | Nyle | i had the same problema few weeks ago cahoot |
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| 15:25.10 | Nyle | cahoot: simonrvn said something about a script I had to run and that fixed it because i think i didn't have the device nodes before just like now |
| 15:25.14 | Absolute0 | cahoot: can i use any alternative for now? |
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| 15:25.56 | cahoot | Absolute0, Id suggest a visit to alsa-user maling list |
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| 15:26.05 | cahoot | mailing list |
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| 15:26.22 | aguaithefreak | how can I change defult python into 2.5 in Debian??? |
| 15:26.34 | gryfie__ | Absolute: And you can move the cursor under the pcm? |
| 15:26.37 | Nyle | !dbugs #391921 |
| 15:26.40 | dpkg | #391921:I[alsa-driver] alsaconf does not save changes; Mon, 9 Oct 2006 13:18:54 UTC |
| 15:26.41 | candyban__ | "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." ... is there a way to allow regular users to start X without setuid? |
| 15:26.53 | cahoot | Nyle, something like snddevices.sh? |
| 15:27.00 | gryfie__ | did you try to aktivate it with the m-key ? |
| 15:27.24 | aguaithefreak | ???? |
| 15:27.38 | aguaithefreak | anyone know???? |
| 15:27.42 | aguaithefreak | how can I change defult python into 2.5 in Debian??? |
| 15:27.48 | aguaithefreak | plz |
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| 15:27.48 | spx2 | Nyle: what computer do you have ? |
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| 15:28.34 | Nyle | its an onboard realtek sound chip |
| 15:28.45 | Nyle | hw is not a problem |
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| 15:29.11 | fasta | I changed /etc/fstab to get a tmpfs and then mount -a, while a graphical session was running. All the temporary files to make up a valid X session (all kinds of sockets files) are now gone. Is there a way to "restart Gnome" without killing any programs I started in gnome-terminal? |
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| 15:29.44 | fasta | The best thing would be if I was able to move one terminal program to another terminal. |
| 15:29.48 | cahoot | Nyle, running invoke-rc.d alsa-utils reset 0 does no good? |
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| 15:30.07 | fasta | But I don't think those things are in Linux. |
| 15:30.16 | valdyn | fasta: should have used something like screen, now there's nothing you can do |
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| 15:30.35 | masus | wols :are u there |
| 15:30.40 | masus | wols sis662 |
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| 15:31.02 | xand | nucc1: no, use a pastebin |
| 15:31.13 | Absolute0 | is wxga tft the brand of the display? |
| 15:31.15 | nucc1 | xand, I forgot the '/' |
| 15:31.19 | Absolute0 | or is it something else? |
| 15:31.20 | fasta | valdyn: AFAIK, Gnome (gdm) also has the obnoxious feature that I cannot login twice in a graphical session. |
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| 15:31.34 | fasta | valdyn: (with the same user) |
| 15:31.52 | defrysk | Absolute0, I have something here for you : read about the sound section : http://www.notebookforums.com/thread133914.html |
| 15:31.53 | Nyle | cahoot: no |
| 15:32.03 | valdyn | fasta: that's not really obnoxious. Much of gnome does not support this, so what gdm does would be good |
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| 15:32.25 | Nyle | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 15:32.39 | Nyle | /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1253: No soundcards found... |
| 15:32.42 | Nyle | etc. |
| 15:32.43 | valdyn | fasta: gnome doesnt even support multiple users on the same system |
| 15:32.43 | fasta | Nyle: alsaconf is a broken program. |
| 15:32.58 | mosno | valdyn: it *is* kinda crappy -- it's like saying you can't have more than one login shell |
| 15:33.01 | Nyle | fasta: there is a workaround |
| 15:33.05 | Nyle | fasta: what do you mean? |
| 15:33.08 | fasta | valdyn: AFAIK, it does. |
| 15:33.31 | fasta | valdyn: I can select an option "login as a different user" |
| 15:33.34 | valdyn | fasta: having multiple users logged into gnome at a time breaks things breaks things |
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| 15:33.55 | valdyn | fasta: right, despite that option its not (well) supported |
| 15:34.01 | fasta | valdyn: ok, I haven't encountered that situation, but I believe you. |
| 15:34.32 | fasta | Nyle: if you would read the documentation that came with the package, you wouldn't have to ask. |
| 15:34.43 | wfq | Hi |
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| 15:35.05 | valdyn | mosno: sure its crappy, point is that gdm _protects_ you by not allowing the unsupported multiple logins |
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| 15:35.18 | guru | i have a usb tv tuner card (Pinnacle PCTV Stereo). does anyone have a link to any resources on getting this to work in debian? |
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| 15:35.45 | Absolute0 | how do i get rid of video rendering in the console |
| 15:36.01 | Absolute0 | i want the basic view |
| 15:36.11 | Absolute0 | i dont see vga in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 15:36.19 | Absolute0 | but somehow its not plain |
| 15:36.23 | mosno | valdyn: ok |
| 15:36.27 | wfq | I have recompiled my kernel 2.6.22 by using the .config file that I had set up in the 2.6.18 but when I restart the system with this kernel I get an error sayingÑ |
| 15:36.36 | wfq | Waiting for the root file system |
| 15:36.42 | dvs | !nofb |
| 15:36.42 | dpkg | Append "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer. |
| 15:36.46 | cahoot | no initrd? |
| 15:36.48 | Nyle | fasta: what? |
| 15:37.07 | fasta | Nyle: /usr/share/doc/<name of package> |
| 15:37.20 | Absolute0 | dvs: so its on by default? |
| 15:37.24 | Nyle | /usr/share/doc/alsa-utils/README.Debian |
| 15:37.25 | Nyle | nothing |
| 15:37.29 | Absolute0 | in archlinux its off by dafault |
| 15:37.30 | Nyle | just like other alsa packages |
| 15:37.32 | fasta | Nyle: remember that piece of information, it's about the most interesting thing to know. |
| 15:37.35 | Nyle | i dunno wtf youre talking about |
| 15:37.43 | dvs | Absolute0: I think it's on because the kernel automatically load the kernel module |
| 15:37.51 | Absolute0 | oh |
| 15:37.57 | cahoot | /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.debian - Nyle |
| 15:37.59 | Absolute0 | well with fb everything looks like crap! |
| 15:38.00 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 15:38.03 | Nyle | fasta: is this the only help you can give? |
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| 15:38.14 | Nyle | not to be rude, but you're kinda wasting my time |
| 15:38.17 | fasta | Nyle: read cahoot's comment |
| 15:38.23 | fasta | Nyle: hahaha |
| 15:38.32 | fasta | Nyle: what do you think _you_ are doing? |
| 15:39.06 | ManuP | hi. i want to run aterm or gnome-terminal and execute a script. i got this by gnome-terminal -e script or aterm -e script but the window closes instantly. i need the window to stay open. how do i get this working? |
| 15:39.14 | Nyle | cahoot: thanks |
| 15:39.28 | Nyle | so what exactly am I looking for in the documentation? |
| 15:40.06 | cahoot | creating device files? |
| 15:40.12 | Nyle | ahh yes |
| 15:40.25 | Nyle | at least cahoot is helpful |
| 15:40.33 | Nyle | fasta only said rtfm |
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| 15:41.02 | fasta | Nyle: and that's the only thing that is helpful, since if you don't understand what you are doing, you are going nowhere. |
| 15:41.56 | Nyle | I understand |
| 15:42.01 | Nyle | but you don't have to be a dick about it |
| 15:42.19 | fasta | Nyle: I am not, you just interpret it in that way. |
| 15:42.43 | Havis | hi, I would like to ask how I can create physical volumes larger than 2GB, because command pvcreate creates them only 2GB large. I use Debian testing. |
| 15:42.46 | Nyle | whatever |
| 15:44.48 | abrotman | Havis: what type of filesystem ? |
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| 15:45.16 | Havis | abrotman no filesystem yet, it's only physical volume for lvm2 |
| 15:45.35 | abrotman | eh .. that doesn't make sense |
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| 15:46.03 | Havis | abrotman: you create physical volume then you create volume group and then logical volumes(those you format with fs) |
| 15:46.09 | Nyle | I did not figure to look in alsa-base since alsaconf is under alsa-utils |
| 15:46.16 | abrotman | i thought you were farther along i guess |
| 15:46.24 | valdyn | Havis: why would you thihnk that it creates only 2GB sized pv? |
| 15:46.45 | Havis | valdyn: because it does this: PV Size 2.00 GB |
| 15:46.50 | valdyn | Havis: the size of the pv is the size of the underlying block device |
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| 15:46.55 | Nyle | i guess thats why you came off as a dick, because i had already looked through the docs, or thought I had, and I'm still told I wouldn't have to ask if I read the docs |
| 15:47.32 | Havis | valdyn: yes the underlaying device is one created with cryptsetup 210GB |
| 15:47.40 | valdyn | Havis: /dev/md1 system lvm2 a- 148,57G 101,57G |
| 15:47.44 | Alley | can anyone tell me why on earth the 2.6.21/22 kernels have changed the device IDs? e.g hda8 becomes sda8. This is a real PITA because you have to (a) change the grub line for the new kernel and also change the fstab which, unless you use UUIDs, is then incompatible with etch! |
| 15:47.53 | Nyle | fasta: you're alright |
| 15:48.02 | valdyn | Havis: maybe that is not really 210GB sized? i know nothing cryptsetup specific |
| 15:48.27 | dvs | Alley: because they combined the SATA and PATA code |
| 15:48.32 | Havis | valdyn: I used this: cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -s 256 luksFormat /dev/DEVICE |
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| 15:48.47 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 15:49.10 | xingu | Alley: e2label(1), kopt root=LABEL=yourfslabel |
| 15:49.20 | valdyn | Havis: that's not useful for me, i know nothing cs specific.. |
| 15:49.20 | Alley | dvs: but why not do it properly and move to UUIDs? |
| 15:49.36 | Nyle | fasta: why is alsaconf included in the package if it is such a bad program. I mean, obviously there are better ways, no? |
| 15:49.42 | Havis | valdyn: well, I thought its transparent to lvm2 |
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| 15:49.48 | valdyn | Alley: they havent, they just added drivers ( they didnt remmove old ones though ) |
| 15:49.56 | fasta | Nyle: it works for some users. |
| 15:49.56 | ribasushi | is there a standard facility in debian that can set the read ahead on various block devices? or is currently the only way to add a new init.de script or add lines to rc.local? |
| 15:49.58 | dvs | Alley: bad timing I guess. |
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| 15:50.06 | valdyn | Alley: that can indeed change the physical device names though.. |
| 15:50.15 | fasta | Nyle: but on my crappo-meter it scores quite high. |
| 15:50.32 | fasta | Nyle: What chip do you have? |
| 15:50.50 | Alley | I tried the backport of the 2.6.22 kernel and finally I can have my SATA in enhanced mode. But where to get the necessary nvidia kernel files? |
| 15:50.51 | valdyn | Havis: what is? what's your cs device? what's your /dev/DEVICE ? |
| 15:50.57 | fasta | Nyle: If you know that, you look up the alsa matrix on alsa-project.org |
| 15:50.59 | Havis | valdyn: cryptsetup status gives me this size of the encrypted device size: 4190909 sectors |
| 15:51.11 | Havis | valdyn: device is /dev/sda2 |
| 15:51.12 | valdyn | Havis: so that is 2G |
| 15:51.15 | fasta | Nyle: then you follow card specific instructions there. |
| 15:51.34 | valdyn | Havis: or what? |
| 15:51.49 | Nyle | fasta: ich8 |
| 15:51.53 | fasta | Nyle: if there's no driver for your hardware, give up or get another card. |
| 15:51.59 | Havis | valdyn: how much is 1 sector 256bytes or 512? |
| 15:52.00 | Nyle | fasta: some realtek cheapo hd onboard chip |
| 15:52.07 | valdyn | Havis: 512 |
| 15:52.22 | Nyle | fasta: its just that the devices nodes were not created by alsa, and I was simply looking for that snddevices script |
| 15:52.36 | fasta | Nyle: that's the wrong approach |
| 15:52.48 | fasta | Nyle: you should not do anything with device nodes |
| 15:52.49 | Nyle | fasta: everything is fine now, and honestly I did not figure to look in alsabase because alsaconf is in alsautils |
| 15:52.54 | Havis | valdyn: damn, so now I have other trouble how to create 210GB encrypted partition with cryptsetup ;) |
| 15:53.02 | Nyle | fasta: why? |
| 15:53.11 | fasta | Nyle: is your sound working? |
| 15:53.13 | Nyle | yes |
| 15:53.19 | valdyn | Nyle: guessing that the source of your error is that 'alsa does not ccreate device nodes' is silly, and most likely wrong |
| 15:53.20 | Havis | valdyn: thank you for help |
| 15:53.26 | fasta | Nyle: ok, are you sure it still works after a reboot? |
| 15:53.30 | Nyle | valdyn: proabably |
| 15:53.34 | fasta | Nyle: you should test that. |
| 15:53.46 | Nyle | i'll worry about it when i reboot |
| 15:54.19 | Nyle | valdyn: you are proabably right. I admit I don't know the inner workings of said packages |
| 15:54.32 | fasta | Nyle: well, at least in modern Alsa + kernel combinations nobody does manual device nodes, anymore. |
| 15:54.48 | Nyle | so why was there no /dev/snd? |
| 15:55.00 | Nyle | or any sound related device nodes until i ran the script |
| 15:55.07 | Nyle | s/was/were |
| 15:55.11 | valdyn | Nyle: make sure linux-sound-base is installed and 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base' to set it to alsa |
| 15:55.14 | dvs | Nyle: udev |
| 15:55.18 | fasta | Nyle: I don't know what script you are talking about. |
| 15:55.20 | Nyle | it is installed |
| 15:55.27 | fasta | Nyle: and you do not need any scripts |
| 15:55.31 | Nyle | in /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices |
| 15:55.38 | valdyn | Nyle: no device found or and/or no driver loaded |
| 15:56.16 | Nyle | filing bug now |
| 15:56.27 | Nyle | or well following up with the alreday filed one |
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| 15:56.57 | kruste_6263 | www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7309922 |
| 15:57.07 | kruste_6263 | müsst ma rauf klicken |
| 15:57.09 | Nyle | plus the documentation said i think if the post installation script for alsa does not create the device nodes, then run the script manually |
| 15:57.11 | kruste_6263 | www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7309922 |
| 15:57.17 | fasta | !ops |
| 15:57.18 | dpkg | [ops] Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 15:57.29 | valdyn | Alley: device nodes names are explicitely dynamic. Unfortunately many distros by default do not respect that. |
| 15:58.10 | Nyle | why are you calling ops? |
| 15:58.23 | troubled | ... |
| 15:58.30 | valdyn | Nyle: because of the spammer |
| 15:58.35 | defrysk | kruste |
| 15:58.43 | Nyle | valdyn: yes but he has already left |
| 15:58.45 | Nyle | anyway |
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| 15:59.01 | Nyle | so what is the problem here i want to understand. I found a fix/workaround but i want to understand |
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| 15:59.15 | valdyn | Nyle: what was the fix? |
| 15:59.34 | Nyle | default debian install uses udev i suppose, and if device nodes are not being created then where is the problem here? with udev or with alsa? |
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| 15:59.48 | Nyle | valdyn: running the /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices script |
| 16:00.02 | dvs | Nyle: the problem is usually that the kernel modules are not loaded |
| 16:00.17 | valdyn | Nyle: driver wasnt loaded? |
| 16:00.23 | Nyle | it was |
| 16:00.35 | valdyn | Nyle: does sound actually work now? |
| 16:00.41 | Nyle | yes yes yes |
| 16:00.42 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:00.52 | valdyn | Nyle: custom kernel? |
| 16:00.54 | Nyle | it happened last time as well |
| 16:01.07 | Havis | anyone have idea how to create encrypted partition bigger than 2GB? I use this command cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -s 256 luksFormat /dev/sda2 |
| 16:01.11 | Nyle | valdyn: nope, just regular stock |
| 16:01.23 | valdyn | Havis: what's the size of sda2? |
| 16:01.25 | Nyle | few weeks ago same problem, simonrvn said look in that script and i did |
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| 16:01.37 | Nyle | and that is what fixed it |
| 16:01.57 | Nyle | If you are not using udev then you can create the ALSA device files |
| 16:01.57 | Nyle | manually by running the snddevices program in /usr/share/alsa-base/. |
| 16:01.57 | Nyle | This should have been done for you by alsa-base's post-installation |
| 16:02.03 | valdyn | Nyle: udev, a udev rule in /etc/udev/ or a broken sound driver that does not initiate the node creation |
| 16:02.06 | Nyle | damn |
| 16:02.10 | Havis | valdyn: 220GB partition unformated |
| 16:02.15 | Nyle | valdyn: ahh |
| 16:02.34 | Nyle | valdyn: so there could be those issues |
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| 16:02.41 | valdyn | Nyle: there's a udevmonitor program you could run while the driver gets loaded |
| 16:02.51 | Nyle | i'll look around in there see if i find anything, cuz obviously this is a bug |
| 16:02.58 | Nyle | valdyn: ok |
| 16:03.07 | valdyn | Nyle: like : run udevmonitor , then /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload |
| 16:03.08 | ribasushi | Havis: what error do you get? |
| 16:03.13 | Nyle | yup |
| 16:03.16 | valdyn | Nyle: or alsa-utils force-reload |
| 16:03.35 | utopia_ | hm, does anybody know of a site/place where games for linux are being developed? |
| 16:03.43 | Nyle | !debgames |
| 16:03.44 | dpkg | from memory, debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 16:03.47 | Nyle | !happy penguin |
| 16:03.50 | Nyle | no? |
| 16:03.51 | Havis | ribasushi: no error, but it only creates 2GB encrypted drive on 220GB partition |
| 16:03.53 | Nyle | !happypenguin |
| 16:03.54 | valdyn | utopia_: google? |
| 16:04.05 | Supaplex | utopia_: freshmeat.net sf.net |
| 16:04.12 | Nyle | happypenguin.org |
| 16:04.17 | Nyle | or something |
| 16:04.35 | Nyle | my room is freezing |
| 16:04.38 | Nyle | damn |
| 16:04.49 | utopia_ | cool thanks |
| 16:04.54 | utopia_ | ya valdyn tried google |
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| 16:05.07 | riot | whoa. Is autoremove a quite new addition to apt-get? I've never seen this one before.. |
| 16:05.25 | Nyle | utopia_: what kinda games do you like? |
| 16:05.41 | abrotman | then don't use it |
| 16:05.59 | Supaplex | nethack! |
| 16:05.59 | defrysk | abrotman, thats about it yes |
| 16:06.05 | Havis | ribasushi: 2GB(or 4190909 sectors) encrypted drive on 239322.75MB partition to be exact |
| 16:06.23 | Nyle | gr8 game |
| 16:06.28 | Carok | hi |
| 16:06.30 | Carok | eggdrop |
| 16:06.32 | Nyle | hi |
| 16:06.38 | Carok | Windrop i want to configure |
| 16:06.46 | utopia_ | Nyle, command & conquier-like games |
| 16:06.50 | Carok | !quote egg |
| 16:06.50 | utopia_ | im just bored |
| 16:06.52 | dpkg | EGG: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 6:20am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A |
| 16:06.56 | Nyle | utopia_: good stuff for you |
| 16:07.04 | Carok | !quote lol |
| 16:07.05 | Nyle | utopia_: try freecraft |
| 16:07.05 | dpkg | LOL: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A |
| 16:07.11 | utopia_ | Nyle, cool thanks |
| 16:07.13 | Carok | !rquote |
| 16:07.19 | Nyle | utopia_: its a warcraft 2 clone |
| 16:07.20 | Carok | !quote 500 |
| 16:07.21 | dpkg | 500: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A |
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| 16:07.40 | Nyle | utopia_: there is also battle for wesnoth and few other games packaged for debian |
| 16:07.46 | Nyle | !tell utopia_ -about debgames |
| 16:07.47 | Carok | hummm |
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| 16:07.56 | Nyle | Carok: stop please |
| 16:07.58 | Carok | someone knows use an eggdrop |
| 16:08.17 | Supaplex | !quote scox |
| 16:08.18 | dpkg | SCOX: 0.37 (0.66/0.35), 9/14/2007 3:59pm, Opened 0.65, Volume 490,071, Change -0.28 |
| 16:08.24 | Nyle | try #eggheads on some network |
| 16:08.30 | Nyle | efnet i dunno |
| 16:08.40 | Nyle | look on thier site or try #eggdrop here |
| 16:08.40 | Carok | yeah thx |
| 16:08.46 | Carok | here |
| 16:08.54 | Carok | its empty basically :) |
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| 16:09.35 | Nyle | what do you need to know? |
| 16:09.37 | seekin | hi there. a short question... i dont like 1000hz kernels neither 250HZ... someone told me its possible to set Kernelfrequency manually to 500 in param.h. Is he right and i'm to dumb to get it working? thanks for answers :) |
| 16:10.14 | Supaplex | seekin: you notice a difference? What are you doing? |
| 16:11.32 | sylpheedClaws | I'm having some weird problems with my wireless |
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| 16:11.56 | sylpheedClaws | I installed the ipw3945 drivers successfully, set up WEP, and brought it up... |
| 16:12.02 | sylpheedClaws | ...and it froze the entire system. |
| 16:12.13 | sylpheedClaws | advice? |
| 16:12.15 | rafuch0 | how is the passwords scheme in debian? |
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| 16:12.36 | mmlj4 | what package do I need to install to have a proper cgi-bin? |
| 16:12.58 | mmlj4 | apache2, mind you |
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| 16:13.03 | seekin | Supaplex when i set HZ to 1000 in menuconfig + 500 in param.h he gives me 1000ticks after compiling. when i set 250HZ in menuconfig and 500hz in param.h it gives me 250ticks. so i dont think overwritting with param.h does work... or am i doing something wrong?.. should it work? |
| 16:13.06 | liable | sylpheedClaws: what debian version are you using? |
| 16:13.12 | sylpheedClaws | 4.0r1 |
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| 16:13.52 | sylpheedClaws | the base system isn't updated, the KDE and X suites are |
| 16:14.19 | Supaplex | seekin: that's not my question. is there a performance difference between different values? |
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| 16:14.26 | liable | sylpheedClaws: what do you mean? |
| 16:14.51 | sylpheedClaws | I did a base install from 4.0r1 and installed KDE and X by network, so they're up-to-date |
| 16:15.01 | sylpheedClaws | I haven't run an apt-get upgrade yet |
| 16:15.08 | sylpheedClaws | think that's it? |
| 16:15.10 | Jen | liable: updating to 4.0 went fine, but the kernel upgrade didn't work out. Guess I have to confront the provider on that one. Thanks for beeing patient ;) |
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| 16:15.24 | liable | sylpheedClaws: why not? |
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| 16:15.34 | sylpheedClaws | haven't had time |
| 16:15.56 | null | Hello, maildrop does not detect my custom installation of authlib, how to specify it? |
| 16:16.02 | liable | Jen: ah, good. yeah, give em a ring and give em a serving for their shit base system :) |
| 16:16.32 | liable | sylpheedClaws: you havent had time to type apt-get upgrade? |
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| 16:16.34 | seekin | Supaplex there is a difference, thats for sure. at 1000hz the cpu is working real hard, but my realtime processes work much finer, softer, they reach 1000fps. at 250HZ they reach 250fps and are missing performance. so i want to reach the middle by set HZ to 500, understand? ;) |
| 16:16.45 | Jen | liable: already did that - maybe I should have waited until they have provided me the help to upgrade the kernel ;) |
| 16:16.51 | liable | sylpheedClaws: not that thats the problem. its just a strange excuse :P |
| 16:16.55 | sylpheedClaws | liable: no, I haven't had time to *wait* for the command to finish :P |
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| 16:17.27 | ctivoli | hi all |
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| 16:17.49 | liable | sylpheedClaws: instead of using ifup, have you tried to get the iface up with ifconfig and iwconfig? |
| 16:18.02 | Supaplex | seekin: yes. at that rate, why don't we have a /proc interface for it? That'd be cooler than rebuilding the kernel each time. (and say with sane limits of upper+lower so you can't echo 9999999999999999 > /proc/ ...) |
| 16:18.04 | ctivoli | in the mirrors debian is java sun? |
| 16:18.21 | sylpheedClaws | liable: what would that do? |
| 16:18.43 | liable | sylpheedClaws: you can see whether it works at each step of the process |
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| 16:18.59 | xingu | Supaplex: because the whole notion of a timer tick is so very ... 90's. |
| 16:19.08 | seekin | Supaplex well, what about starting some kind of project? :P |
| 16:19.09 | xingu | Supaplex: NO_HZ. really. it's a good thing. |
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| 16:19.46 | simonrvn | CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 16:19.55 | simonrvn | CONFIG_HZ=300 |
| 16:19.59 | poncha | NO_HZ ??? :P |
| 16:20.03 | liable | AHM IN UR BOX STEALIN UR HURTZ |
| 16:20.08 | Supaplex | yeah, it's painless |
| 16:20.11 | dalias | timer tick is very stupid |
| 16:20.12 | dalias | liable, lol |
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| 16:20.34 | dalias | http://www.aerifal.cx/~dalias/images/h4x0rz.jpg |
| 16:20.35 | Supaplex | yes my puns HZ sometimes. my bad. |
| 16:20.36 | seekin | xingu will me realtime processes be able to reach 1000fps with no ticks? they were just able to with kernel HZ set to 1000... |
| 16:20.40 | simonrvn | you can seal all the hurts you want ;) |
| 16:20.48 | simonrvn | steal* |
| 16:20.57 | poncha | Supaplex: what does HZ stand for here? :) |
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| 16:21.17 | poncha | because it's very funny given you speak russian ;) |
| 16:21.36 | dalias | hertz obviously |
| 16:21.46 | poncha | ;) |
| 16:21.55 | Supaplex | 1/1000000 mhz of course |
| 16:22.02 | poncha | Hz... not HZ :) |
| 16:22.12 | xingu | seekin: perhaps you could talk a little bit more about what your realtime processes actually do and what they are blocking on before I comment. |
| 16:22.17 | dalias | preprocessor symbols should never use lowercase |
| 16:22.30 | simonrvn | !hz |
| 16:22.30 | xingu | seekin: in general waiting for a time-period to elapse is a pretty dumb idea |
| 16:22.39 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 16:22.39 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 16:23.13 | Supaplex | bad preprocessor symbol. no biscuit. |
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| 16:24.06 | Nuxis | how do I check direct rendering is enabled? |
| 16:24.10 | seekin | xingu its a process that should be able to calculate 1000 times a second and interrupt that often too, so the calculations can be send to clients in realtime. |
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| 16:24.19 | liable | Nuxis: glxinfo |
| 16:24.32 | Nuxis | i don't have it.. |
| 16:24.42 | liable | Nuxis: install mesa-utils |
| 16:24.47 | Nuxis | tnx |
| 16:25.42 | defrysk | noted..... |
| 16:25.45 | seekin | xingu would that process be able to do that without static ticks ? |
| 16:25.56 | Nuxis | ok now how do I check how many fps glxgears gives? |
| 16:26.04 | Nuxis | I don't see anything only the weels |
| 16:26.05 | xingu | seekin: so basically you have two thread groups (a calculate group and a send group) and a per-client mutex or semaphore raised when a tx timeslot is ready |
| 16:26.19 | liable | !glxgears |
| 16:26.20 | dpkg | i guess glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 16:26.21 | xingu | seekin: what I don't understand yet is what part of this problem belongs in the time domain |
| 16:26.35 | Nuxis | liable: k tnx |
| 16:26.44 | xingu | seekin: ie, why not run both thread groups at full throttle as resource permits? |
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| 16:29.10 | seekin | xingu we are confusing each other. that wasnt actually what i wanted to know. when i joined here i just asked if its possible to set kernelHz to 500, because i got 6 of this realtime processes and with 1000hz there stressing the cpu really hard. so i have to throttle them to 500. but i cant to it in process options. they make whatever the kernel let them do. so i just asked... what do i have to do, to set kernelHz to 500, and is it poss |
| 16:30.17 | liable | 100 250 300 1000 is it |
| 16:30.20 | seekin | xingu in menuconfig i have 100->250->1000 and overwritting with param.h (a friend told me) doenst really work |
| 16:30.22 | xingu | seekin: I think what you want to know is how to move your problem from being one which happens on a timer tick to one which happens when your per-client tx queue is empty enough to take a newly calculated result |
| 16:30.28 | liable | and not adjustable in relatime |
| 16:30.52 | liable | ooh, confusing |
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| 16:32.35 | seekin | liable i havent 300Hz in my 2.6.18 menuconfig.. |
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| 16:33.32 | liable | seekin: i have in 22. shrug |
| 16:33.32 | seekin | liable me not :) |
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| 16:33.46 | xingu | liable: 300HZ merged in 2.6.19 from memory |
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| 16:34.14 | liable | xingu: ok |
| 16:35.11 | seekin | so theres no chance to set kernelHz to 500? (if its dumb or not is another question)... |
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| 16:35.26 | liable | dont believe so |
| 16:35.33 | xingu | if something speeds up with a faster tick rate it's because it's busy-waiting on the next timer to fire, and that's just unbelievably dumb. |
| 16:35.42 | sylpheedClaws | ifconfig up didn't work, since I configured it with iwconfig |
| 16:35.55 | sylpheedClaws | I tried using wifi-radar instead, with the same results |
| 16:36.07 | liable | sylpheedClaws: does iwconfig show it as associated with the key set? |
| 16:36.11 | sylpheedClaws | yes |
| 16:36.13 | xingu | it's also quite probable that it's getting no benefit from icache or dcache |
| 16:36.34 | seekin | xingu dumb but necessary :) |
| 16:36.37 | liable | sylpheedClaws: so it gives a link quality? |
| 16:36.49 | sylpheedClaws | not until I ifup it |
| 16:37.06 | sylpheedClaws | then KWifiManager reports 77 just before the crash |
| 16:37.22 | liable | bah |
| 16:37.35 | liable | fuck all the stupid fucking gui wifi tools |
| 16:37.54 | liable | nobody can use the backend tools anymore |
| 16:37.56 | xingu | seekin: you probably also want to test your use-case with NO_HZ and CFS (head-of-git-repo vers.) |
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| 16:39.18 | seekin | xingu the NO_HZ... may i write it in the param.h or in the .config file? |
| 16:39.22 | Aidy | how come ardour isn't in lenny? |
| 16:39.28 | sylpheedClaws | so... advice? |
| 16:39.30 | xingu | seekin: menuconfig choice in a recent kernel |
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| 16:40.30 | seekin | xingu in "processor types and features" theres no option that sounds even nearly that way |
| 16:40.51 | xingu | seekin: 2.6.22 on i386, 2.6.23rc on amd64 |
| 16:40.55 | SF7 | can I use wild cards as in 'find . -name fis*' ? |
| 16:41.30 | \amethyst | SF7: you have to quote them |
| 16:41.41 | \amethyst | find . -name 'fis*' |
| 16:41.48 | seekin | xingu its important i run an 2.6.18.. isnt it possbile to use some sort of patch to implement the NO_HZ? |
| 16:41.51 | sylpheedClaws | ...? |
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| 16:43.22 | yang | 18:42 <Morg> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 16:43.32 | liable | yang: piss off |
| 16:43.40 | yang | Morg: is the spammer |
| 16:43.48 | xingu | seekin: http://redhat.com/~mingo/realtime-preempt/patch-2.6.18-rt1 - no guarentees about freshness/ stability, that's an ancient kernel |
| 16:43.49 | liable | !ops yang porn spam |
| 16:43.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: yang porn spam |
| 16:44.01 | abrotman | liable: wrong person |
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| 16:44.07 | xingu | and that's a dead link |
| 16:44.09 | xingu | hmm. |
| 16:44.13 | liable | doh |
| 16:44.26 | sylpheedClaws | again, any advice on my wireless issues? |
| 16:44.27 | utopia_ | for some reason aptitude is removing alot of programs i dont wanna remove when i try to install something |
| 16:44.27 | liable | miseed the <> |
| 16:44.31 | seekin | xingu i know where to get mingos realtime patch. wait a moment |
| 16:44.32 | utopia_ | is there a way to stop it? |
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| 16:44.46 | yang | liable: I am not spamming |
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| 16:44.54 | yang | liable: cycle and you will see it for yourself |
| 16:44.55 | sylpheedClaws | BS |
| 16:45.03 | liable | yang: yeah, apologies |
| 16:45.03 | seekin | xingu ill get it, set it to dynamic ticks and use CFS(whatever CFS is, ill found it with my best friend google :) ). |
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| 16:45.15 | liable | yang: i didnt see the <Morg> bit |
| 16:45.18 | sylpheedClaws | seekin: CFS = Completely Fair Scheduler |
| 16:45.33 | seekin | sylpheedClaws damn, i knew it |
| 16:45.42 | liable | tomaw: thanks for not banning the wrong dude :) |
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| 16:45.50 | tomaw | liable: :) |
| 16:46.28 | xingu | seekin: the biggest improvement will come when you change your code so that it's no longer waiting on time but rather waiting on transmit slots |
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| 16:46.59 | sylpheedClaws | liable: any advice? |
| 16:47.13 | seekin | xingu i really think im too unexperienced to do some sort of.... coding :) |
| 16:47.23 | mudge | is the Happs guy in here, that works on it? |
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| 16:47.43 | yang | tomaw: maybe you should ban mortal_ |
| 16:47.50 | yang | tomaw: I mean MORG |
| 16:47.58 | xingu | seekin: if you need to timecode something, get the calc thread to put a timecode onto the data buckets, allow it to *overrun* if the tx queue is full (ie, discard in the event a result is ready too early), and get the client to do whatever it needs to with the results as they arrive |
| 16:48.07 | tomaw | yang: I did |
| 16:48.25 | pc300 | hi |
| 16:48.54 | defrysk | yo |
| 16:49.02 | xingu | seekin: the resource constraint is not time; it's compute resource, it's transmission slots, but it's not time. |
| 16:49.19 | liable | sylpheedClaws: yes. use the backend tools before you try the gui's |
| 16:49.40 | seekin | xingu its like that: the cpu calculates, the packet sould be send immedialty. the cpu calculates again... and so on, and this 1000 (or 500) times a second. is that stupid? will the scheduler get pissed of? :) |
| 16:50.09 | liable | sylpheedClaws: kill kwifi and dont use your interfaces file. use ifconfig and iwconfig, check to see if it gets associated then try dhclient |
| 16:50.21 | twb | When I mount an NFS share from a CentOS server, files owned by nobody show up in ls(1) as being owned by "4294967294". How do I fix this? |
| 16:50.22 | xingu | seekin: CFS won't; but why not let the calculation and the transmit take place asynchronously? |
| 16:50.26 | liable | sylpheedClaws: i'll leave it with you, im off to bed |
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| 16:51.01 | seekin | xingu cause i really have no idea how, and if that would cause to much cpu stressing again |
| 16:51.30 | uttar1 | I have an Intel core 2 duo processor. Should I download the amd64 version of debian? |
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| 16:51.58 | xingu | seekin: but that can be bounded; if you find out that there's no transmit slots (ie, >magic:ratio of your tx queue is full), you can wait until there's one free |
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| 16:52.04 | bullgard4 | How is 'Intel Architecture Personal Computer' defined? In particular, what is the difference to 'IBM-PC'? |
| 16:52.44 | xingu | seekin: and better still, get the tx thread to wake you back up again rather than busy-waiting. |
| 16:52.53 | edistar_ | why can't a user set up a chroot? |
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| 16:53.23 | xingu | seekin: none of this is a time domain problem at the tx end; and it's not one at the rx end either, if you put a timecode onto your packets. |
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| 16:53.27 | cahoot | uttar1, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg01332.htm and following msgs |
| 16:53.27 | seekin | edistar why shouldnt i chmod 777? :) |
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| 16:54.48 | uttar1 | cahoot: I got a "404 Not Found" error message. |
| 16:55.18 | cahoot | uttar1, http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2007/09/msg01332.html - sorry I dropped the last l |
| 16:55.32 | infinity0 | can someone recommend a good GNOME music-organiser/player in the style of winamp? RhythmBox is a piece of shit it doesn't even notice it has duplicate copies of the same thing in its library :| |
| 16:56.05 | seekin | xingu i have to tell you something. since 5 month i am compiling kernels, and i learn by doing faults. im not that...genius thats needed to do what you want me to do... |
| 16:56.05 | xingu | seekin: the reason why I raise the point is that once you decouple your code and remove the busy-wait you have today (from the sounds of it, your code is calc-tx-... and you're spending most of your time waiting on tx completion which as you say happens on a timer tick) |
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| 16:56.34 | cahoot | infinity0, might look at aqualung |
| 16:56.37 | xingu | seekin: ... once you do that, your code will scale nicely as a function of flatline core speed *and* sideways as a function of the number of cores. |
| 16:56.46 | infinity0 | cahoot: ahh ok ty :) |
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| 16:56.51 | Aidy | how come ardour isn't in lenny? |
| 16:56.54 | xingu | seekin: also, you'll tend to get much better cache hit rates. |
| 16:57.05 | abrotman | !why is ardour not in testing |
| 16:57.06 | dpkg | ardour is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=ardour |
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| 16:57.22 | defrysk | infinity0, banshee perhaps ? |
| 16:57.37 | infinity0 | defrysk: kk thanks :) i'll try it out have a see |
| 16:57.37 | uttar1 | cahoot: Right now I am running 2.6.20-16-generic (not amd64) kernel on Ubuntu. I am confused about which iso of debian to download. |
| 16:58.08 | xingu | seekin: the last thing you need to be aware of is that by continuing down this path your code will be obsolete within a single generation of hardware; all future hardware is multicore and more importantly all future *networking* hardware does no work at all on a timer and instead does work when the tx ring buffer is full. |
| 16:58.18 | cahoot | uttar1, I see - I thought you considered the choice |
| 16:58.46 | uttar1 | cahoot: Do you have any suggestions? |
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| 16:59.20 | EmanueleT | hello again |
| 16:59.39 | xingu | seekin: if your code isn't designed similarly you will have the mother of all struggles when you put it onto anything newer than core2 or onto any kind of 10 gigE implementation |
| 16:59.40 | cahoot | uttar1, nothing logically based |
| 16:59.47 | EmanueleT | I've installed and configured postfix... Debian is great, I needed only a pair of hours... now I'm trying to configure apache |
| 17:00.02 | EmanueleT | I need vhosts... do you know how can I create them? Or where I can look for howtos? |
| 17:00.05 | EmanueleT | I found anything |
| 17:00.13 | craig | when I boot my system, I get "GRUB Hard Disk Error". Any ideas for how to debug this? I'm installing a custom kernel. |
| 17:00.36 | abrotman | EmanueleT: postfix.org has tons of docs |
| 17:00.45 | cahoot | uttar1, I use 386 on my turion |
| 17:00.47 | seekin | xingu last question. * Dynamic Ticks. But what is that "(1000) High Resolution Timer resolution (nanoseconds) " for? thought "dynamic" wouldnt ask me an decimal value? im kinda confused.. |
| 17:00.47 | EmanueleT | abrotman: it's about apache |
| 17:00.57 | abrotman | httpd.apache.org has tons of docs :) |
| 17:01.06 | EmanueleT | are them debian-related? |
| 17:01.14 | abrotman | shouldn't matter |
| 17:01.17 | EmanueleT | because debian doesn't follow the default schema for configuration files |
| 17:01.22 | xingu | seekin: dynticks+clock sources merge decouple the kernel tick from kernel timers completely |
| 17:01.23 | EmanueleT | in this case, it matter... |
| 17:01.25 | EmanueleT | s |
| 17:01.35 | uttar1 | Is the first CD enough to install a debian system with a gnome desktop? |
| 17:01.36 | abrotman | it really doesn't |
| 17:01.39 | xingu | seekin: that hrtimer is for userland that wants high precision timekeeping |
| 17:01.45 | EmanueleT | abrotman: mh... |
| 17:01.47 | xingu | seekin: the *kernel* doesn't use it |
| 17:01.49 | abrotman | uttar1: parts of gnome yes |
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| 17:02.35 | xingu | seekin: and imho any userland that does do it, on commodity hardware, is kidding itself too |
| 17:02.48 | fatalerrors | i'm writing a script shell and i've got an error |
| 17:02.58 | xingu | seekin: you just don't get precise edges on least cost hardware |
| 17:03.05 | fatalerrors | the code is |
| 17:03.24 | fatalerrors | if [ $# -ne 1 ] ## the directory name |
| 17:03.24 | fatalerrors | then |
| 17:03.24 | fatalerrors | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.24 | fatalerrors | fi |
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| 17:04.02 | fatalerrors | oops i'm sorry |
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| 17:04.17 | xingu | seekin: what networking hardware are you running on just out of interest? chipset? |
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| 17:05.27 | uttar1 | Is " debian-40r1-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso " a bootable cd? |
| 17:05.30 | fatalerrors | can someone help me? |
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| 17:06.34 | liable | uttar1: yes |
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| 17:06.47 | dalias | fatalerrors, you need to show us the error, but i see a non-error mistake |
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| 17:07.02 | dalias | after echo, the string should be in double-quotes |
| 17:07.19 | seekin | xingu how can i find out? :). im on the machine through ssh. |
| 17:07.26 | dalias | (in most cases this wont cause problems for your message, but it could under weird usages) |
| 17:07.33 | xingu | seekin: ethtool -i eth0 if you're lucky. |
| 17:07.33 | fatalerrors | compile.sh: line 39: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' |
| 17:07.34 | fatalerrors | compile.sh: line 39: ` echo Usage is : $0 <option>' |
| 17:07.50 | fatalerrors | this is the error |
| 17:08.06 | dalias | umm |
| 17:08.16 | dalias | that's not the example you gave |
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| 17:08.24 | dalias | > and < are shell redirection chracters! |
| 17:08.29 | seekin | xingu http://paste.debian.net/37195 |
| 17:08.30 | dalias | you must put the string inside double quotes |
| 17:08.38 | abrotman | or ask #bash :) |
| 17:08.42 | dalias | echo "Usage is : $0 <option>" |
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| 17:08.55 | xingu | seekin: enable r8169 NAPI support |
| 17:09.03 | fatalerrors | dalias: yes that's it |
| 17:09.06 | xingu | seekin: your code profile may change drastically once you do |
| 17:09.15 | dalias | as it is, you said "read stdin from a file named option and write stdout to ... error, we hit end of line without getting an output filename!" |
| 17:09.35 | dalias | always quote strings like that |
| 17:09.45 | dalias | especially if the string contains any variable expansions (like $0) |
| 17:09.54 | seekin | xingu ill do that. thanks. i have to go now for an hour or two. friends of my wife are here and i have to.... eat.. with them... see you then |
| 17:09.55 | dalias | if it contains variable expansions and it's not quoted, it's very dangerous |
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| 17:10.24 | fatalerrors | dalias: ok thank you very much |
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| 17:11.16 | wils0n | Im installing a custom kernel. When I boot, I get "GRUB Hard Disk Error" Any ideas for how to debug what sort of hard disk error is occuring? |
| 17:11.20 | wils0n | grub-- |
| 17:11.21 | liable | how do you see the banlist? |
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| 17:12.08 | char_less | I wasn't able to get _any_ vesa driver to work with my graphic card, which is PCI express card (not AGP), now I discovered that i have _not_ CONFIG_PCIEPORTBUS in my kernel. What do you think, could this be the reason it didn't work at all??? |
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| 17:12.46 | liable | abrotman: how do you see the banlist for #debian? |
| 17:12.54 | abrotman | /mode #debian +b |
| 17:13.06 | xingu | char_less: what chipset? and yes almost certainly. |
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| 17:13.17 | liable | danke |
| 17:13.36 | xingu | char_less: you probably also want HOTPLUG_PCI_PCIE |
| 17:14.12 | char_less | xingu> Oh.. I see. I have ATI Radeon X1600 Pro |
| 17:14.17 | liable | heh, mwilson is still banned. i guess they arent that forgiving |
| 17:14.43 | char_less | xingu> Chipset is unknown to me, the chip is RV530 |
| 17:15.18 | xingu | char_less: *nod* just curious; cheers. |
| 17:15.21 | CalJohn | suggestion of a REALLY simple graphic text editor that can save to pdf and do spellchecking? |
| 17:16.11 | Coweater | abiword |
| 17:16.43 | utab | hi, I have a question on xfce desktop for Terminal, I have paste the executable path on the program launcher but I am getting Failed to execute child process "xftree4" (No such file or directory) |
| 17:16.49 | char_less | xingu> thank you for your help (i've been recompiling my kernel like crazy the last two days looking for a config that would work). Are there any other options I want enabled? |
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| 17:17.47 | xingu | char_less: probably ;) |
| 17:17.54 | char_less | xingu> Oh and one more question... I have just one SATA disk, a dvdrw, the graph. card is as i already mentioned PCI Express. Is it ok for me to disable the whole ATA/ATAI/MFM section |
| 17:18.07 | CalJohn | Coweater: tried abiword, but it's REALLY slow to scroll |
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| 17:18.23 | Coweater | CalJohn: disable the smooth scrolling, you have to edit the config file |
| 17:18.24 | char_less | xingu> and go my merry way with SATA and PATA support? |
| 17:18.27 | Coweater | one second |
| 17:18.47 | xingu | char_less: your dvdrw is probably pata; you probably don't need legacy ata, but you probably do need the new CONFIG_ATA and its ilk. |
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| 17:19.20 | xingu | char_less: nb, you could probably also get away with using the repo kernel; they're really quite good... |
| 17:19.32 | char_less | xingu> I mean I am just asking about this one thing: Generic PCI bus-master DMA support (support for DMA) <- do I need this? |
| 17:19.32 | Coweater | CalJohn: open ~/.AbiSuite/AbiWord.Profile in the Scheme name="_custom_" section add a line with EnableSmoothScrolling="0" |
| 17:20.22 | xingu | char_less: if you mean IDEDMA_PCI, probably no |
| 17:20.51 | abrotman | yang: no such thing in debian |
| 17:20.55 | abrotman | yang: maybe ask ##linux |
| 17:21.27 | yang | abrotman: yes there are no control panels in debian...but DTC/GPLhost is in sid |
| 17:21.44 | char_less | xingu> What is ilk?? (I am not native speaker). Why would I need CONFIG_ATA? |
| 17:22.15 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.08 | char_less | I see:) |
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| 17:27.06 | shnastybiznastic | so I need to install either php5-mysql or php4-mysql, but I don't know which version of php is installed on my machine. how can I query the local package system to find this delicious information out? |
| 17:27.49 | valdyn | shnastybiznastic: you will notice if you try to install the 'wrong' package |
| 17:28.06 | valdyn | shnastybiznastic: debian takes care of the dependencies automagically |
| 17:28.17 | shnastybiznastic | valdyn: fair enough |
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| 17:30.09 | marco_polo | hello everybody |
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| 17:30.15 | utopia_ | hey |
| 17:30.22 | Rahsputin | Hi. I installed Nicotine a while back and i messed around with some index list, now i messed it up, it will not log on to the server anymore, so i did # aptitude purge nicotine i installed it again, but the same it is still messed up, how can i fix this ? |
| 17:30.25 | utopia_ | im looking for that link dpkg gave me about linux games |
| 17:30.30 | marco_polo | i'm using double screen in dual-head |
| 17:30.38 | Shadowcat | how do you tell debian that your hardware clock is set to UTC? |
| 17:30.39 | utopia_ | anybody know the command it takes for linux gaming? |
| 17:30.48 | marco_polo | how can i move a window from one screen to another ?? |
| 17:30.49 | marco_polo | thanks |
| 17:31.06 | utopia_ | marco_polo, from one terminal to another? |
| 17:31.12 | marco_polo | no |
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| 17:31.16 | valdyn | Shadowcat: edit /etc/default/rcS |
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| 17:31.24 | wols | Rahsputin: delete the DB in whatever you use for a RDBMS |
| 17:31.37 | marco_polo | from one screen to another (i'm usingg 2 screens) |
| 17:31.38 | bikedude880 | Hey, I'm looking to replace gdm with xfwm, how would I go about doing that? |
| 17:31.54 | utopia_ | !dpkg |
| 17:31.54 | dpkg | i heard dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto> |
| 17:31.56 | valdyn | bikedude880: that's not possible, they are not replacements |
| 17:31.58 | wols | Shadowcat: /etc/default/rcS. edit that |
| 17:32.05 | utopia_ | !dpkg -linuxgames |
| 17:32.11 | utopia_ | !dpkg -games |
| 17:32.13 | marco_polo | utopia_ |
| 17:32.15 | Rahsputin | wols, DB ? |
| 17:32.21 | wols | !tell utopia_ about msg the bot |
| 17:32.26 | wols | Rahsputin: database |
| 17:32.29 | bikedude880 | How would I go about loading xfwm on top of gdm then? |
| 17:32.37 | Rahsputin | wols, and RDBMS ? |
| 17:32.38 | valdyn | bikedude880: geez |
| 17:32.42 | utopia_ | !tell utopia_ about games |
| 17:32.47 | Shadowcat | wols: thanks |
| 17:32.48 | wols | Rahsputin: relational database management system |
| 17:32.54 | valdyn | bikedude880: gdm is what you log in with, xfwm is a window manager, they dont run on top of each other either |
| 17:33.15 | SpeedyG | utopia_: you can communicate with dpkg in pm, that causes a little less disturbance in the channel ;) |
| 17:33.28 | defrysk | gdm = a desktop manager |
| 17:33.42 | wols | defrysk: display manager |
| 17:33.46 | Rahsputin | wols, wheres that at, i hear that for the first time :) |
| 17:33.48 | defrysk | wols, sorry |
| 17:33.50 | gustavo | is there any reason why my nfs works with 192.168.2.93/32 but dont with 192.168.2.0/24 ??? |
| 17:33.59 | wols | Rahsputin: where is what at? |
| 17:34.15 | Rahsputin | wols, relational database management system |
| 17:34.26 | wols | Rahsputin: then learn more about CS: you need it |
| 17:34.57 | Shadowcat | sigh |
| 17:35.02 | Rahsputin | wols, lol, whats CS :D |
| 17:35.06 | bikedude880 | Right. Then is there a lightweight replacement for gdm? |
| 17:35.06 | Shadowcat | running vista x64 is worse than running unstable |
| 17:35.12 | wols | Computer Science = Informatik |
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| 17:35.26 | wols | bikedude880: wdm or xdm |
| 17:35.27 | liable | !beat Shadowcat |
| 17:35.37 | Shadowcat | !whack liable |
| 17:35.40 | bikedude880 | Thanks. It's been a long week. |
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| 17:36.13 | SpeedyG | Shadowcat: are you running that now? (and if so, can you use telnet on it? ) |
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| 17:36.37 | Shadowcat | I can use whatever I want on this since I installed cygwin |
| 17:36.54 | SpeedyG | Shadowcat: I mean does it come with telnet? :P |
| 17:37.03 | Shadowcat | nfc |
| 17:37.14 | SpeedyG | I heard some guy complain that it didnt work on vista :D |
| 17:37.20 | Shadowcat | probably doesn't |
| 17:37.32 | Shadowcat | you have to run cygwin in admin mode to get anything to work |
| 17:38.04 | SpeedyG | they day M$ forces me to downgrade XP to vista, i'll start using *nix as desktop-OS as well |
| 17:39.00 | Shadowcat | install vista or else! |
| 17:39.12 | SpeedyG | go ahead, pull that trigger.. i'd rather die |
| 17:39.22 | Shadowcat | fine |
| 17:39.29 | marco_polo | how can i move a window from one screen to another in dual-head mode?? |
| 17:39.45 | Shadowcat | I'll only stop once you install this os |
| 17:39.50 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 17:40.10 | Shadowcat | laptop baby |
| 17:40.13 | Shadowcat | >:) |
| 17:40.40 | Shadowcat | 5 min hotswap functionality |
| 17:40.43 | SpeedyG | haha :> |
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| 17:41.27 | SpeedyG | >:] |
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| 17:41.45 | Shadowcat | ruggedized too |
| 17:42.08 | SpeedyG | !whack Shadowcat_laptop |
| 17:42.10 | SpeedyG | :D |
| 17:42.25 | Shadowcat | it's designed to survive being run over |
| 17:42.26 | Rahsputin | wols, that didnt help me out that much :( |
| 17:42.29 | Shadowcat | but I've never actually tried that |
| 17:42.34 | SpeedyG | haha |
| 17:42.40 | SpeedyG | well, anyway, i'm afk :p |
| 17:42.55 | SpeedyG | time to evade that evil Shadowcat who's trying to force me to install vista :> |
| 17:43.46 | xingu | Shadowcat: the wife's happy enough with it :) |
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| 17:43.52 | rohanrhu | hello |
| 17:44.22 | insaneinside | i'm looking to put an imap server on my home intranet's server... does anyone have any suggestions as to which of the ones available in stable/testing i might want to try first? my MTA is exim4. |
| 17:44.43 | Rahsputin | wols, i meant i cannot connect to the "nicotine" server |
| 17:45.10 | xingu | Shadowcat: vista's mce is some pretty slick shit too (never used any other mce, can't compare/comment) |
| 17:45.32 | wols | Rahsputin: can you use ssh to connect to it? |
| 17:46.02 | wols | insaneinside: dovecot or courier-imap. never ever use uwimapd |
| 17:46.04 | Rahsputin | no |
| 17:46.10 | insaneinside | wols: why's that? |
| 17:46.16 | wols | Rahsputin: how did you purge then? |
| 17:46.22 | xingu | marco_polo: you need xinerama. |
| 17:46.33 | xingu | marco_polo: or randr1.2 |
| 17:46.53 | marco_polo | thanks xingo |
| 17:46.53 | Rahsputin | aptitude purge nicotine nicotine is p2p application |
| 17:46.59 | Rahsputin | filesharing |
| 17:47.06 | wols | Rahsputin: then you have a shell. so you can connect to its DB |
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| 17:47.25 | wols | so if you can connect to nicotine or not is irrelevant |
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| 17:47.30 | wols | !info nicotine |
| 17:47.34 | dpkg | nicotine: (graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.8+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 609 kB, Installed size: 2677 kB |
| 17:47.38 | marco_polo | xingo : what should i install ? |
| 17:47.43 | marco_polo | which package ? |
| 17:48.08 | seekin | xingu im back. "enable r8169 NAPI support". Where to do that? |
| 17:48.37 | xingu | seekin: 1000base, 8169 driver, NAPI suport=y |
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| 17:49.03 | xingu | marco_polo: what video chipset? |
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| 17:49.46 | defrysk | !info soulseek |
| 17:50.28 | marco_polo | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 01) |
| 17:50.35 | insaneinside | ugh |
| 17:50.41 | seekin | xingu "# CONFIG_R8169_NAPI is not set" change to "CONFIG_R8169_NAPI=y"? |
| 17:50.50 | insaneinside | i've been helping a friend with ATI cards... |
| 17:50.57 | insaneinside | no fun. |
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| 17:51.13 | xingu | seekin: that's the one; nb it's best to do this via the *config ui's. |
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| 17:51.53 | seekin | xingu you mean menuconfig? werent able to find that point in there |
| 17:52.09 | wols | seekin: then you ar missing prerequisites |
| 17:52.11 | xingu | seekin: expected result of NAPI will be that the profile of your application changes from compute-tx-compute-tx to compute-compute-compute-txmany |
| 17:52.19 | wols | it should be just under the 8160 driver itself |
| 17:52.34 | wols | 8169 |
| 17:53.20 | seekin | xingu that sounds like the clients wont get the calculation results in realtime as long as computing is active?... |
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| 17:54.34 | xingu | seekin: they're not getting results in "realtime" regardless, and you may find that your cpu can run rings around your network ie your effective calculation *rate* will go moonward. |
| 17:55.09 | xingu | seekin: nb, the 8169 is perfectly capable of getting frames onto the wire without the dubious assitance of a 1000hz boot up the rear from a misguided timer isr |
| 17:55.21 | seekin | xingu sounds pretty nice :) |
| 17:55.25 | xingu | seekin: so no, it won't be "held up by" computation. |
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| 17:56.48 | seekin | xingu "Use Rx and Tx Polling (NAPI)" thats it, isnt it? :) |
| 17:56.57 | xingu | seekin: this is one of many reasons why you need to decouple your code from a tick and redesign it as a machine that fills buckets whenever they're ready to be filled |
| 17:56.59 | xingu | seekin: that's it |
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| 17:57.29 | xingu | seekin: nb, if TDP really is a concern, it'd be better to measure it directly and bound your code in a thermal dimension rather than a time one. |
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| 17:59.36 | xingu | seekin: just out of interest, is your wire protocol tcp based? |
| 17:59.49 | seekin | xingu it is |
| 18:00.09 | xingu | at least you got that bit right :) |
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| 18:01.33 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 18:01.35 | seekin | xingu heres another one: im compiling right now and "renice +1 pid-of-compiling-process" doenst work, cause its changing very fast :). how to renice by name of the process? |
| 18:01.40 | Nyle | just got my 32bit chroot setup in amd64 sid |
| 18:01.46 | mudge | hello, i want to install debian on my computer, my computer has a 64 bit intell duo-core processor, which debian should i install? |
| 18:01.57 | Nyle | good stuff, and much more stable than etch amd64 |
| 18:02.00 | valdyn | mudge: i386 or amd64 |
| 18:02.18 | mudge | valdyn: thanks, what's the difference? which one is more stable? |
| 18:02.26 | Nyle | and amd64 howto is great |
| 18:02.41 | wols | mudge: one is 32bit, other is 64bit. do is it a desktop or a server? |
| 18:02.45 | wols | -do |
| 18:02.53 | mudge | woIs: desktop |
| 18:03.00 | wols | mudge: then i386 |
| 18:03.06 | xingu | seekin: processes should inheret nice; so start them all from a subshell wrapper, and start the subshell reniced. |
| 18:03.23 | mudge | woIs: thanks, just curious why you recommend i386 for desktop over amd64 |
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| 18:03.42 | xingu | seekin: nb, fooling about with nice values is a pretty good indicator of a workload where fair-scheduling isn't happening; CFS addresses this directly. |
| 18:03.46 | wols | cause a lot of shitty closed source linux software isn't available for 64bit |
| 18:04.00 | Wyzard | mudge: There's no 64-bit Flash player, Google Earth, or Java plugin |
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| 18:04.03 | wols | plus the benefit for you isn't too big unless you have >4GB RAM anyways |
| 18:04.06 | Wyzard | those are the only things I've found missing |
| 18:04.22 | valdyn | there's a java plugin |
| 18:04.27 | valdyn | there's no sun java plugin |
| 18:04.36 | Wyzard | fair enough |
| 18:04.42 | wols | valdyn: for all intents and purposes sun == java |
| 18:04.48 | mudge | oh thanks, I'm planning to install skype, maybe skype doesn't support 64 bit |
| 18:04.54 | wols | valdyn: next you tell us there is a .Net for Linux called Mono :P |
| 18:04.55 | xingu | seekin: RT-scheduling on low-end hardware just isn't (SMM puts a bullet through the brain of that concept); tricks with RT and niceness are symptoms of a larger problem |
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| 18:05.05 | Nyle | well |
| 18:05.17 | Nyle | it is almost trivial installing a 32bit chroot in amd64 |
| 18:05.32 | valdyn | Nyle: not almost trivial, please.. |
| 18:05.37 | Nyle | you just have to kinda understand what you are doing |
| 18:06.20 | Nyle | first time, following the amd64 howto and there is much rejoicing |
| 18:06.20 | wols | Nyle: and windows is secure, you just have to know what you're doing |
| 18:06.34 | CalJohn | aside from donating, what is the first step to helping out Debian? |
| 18:06.35 | Nyle | im brand new to amd64 |
| 18:06.40 | wols | theoretically you are right and so is the statement I made. practically however it's a different thing |
| 18:06.46 | Nyle | and if a pothead like me can do it, so can others |
| 18:06.59 | CalJohn | valdyn: it's not really that hard :) |
| 18:07.01 | valdyn | Nyle: i have this suspiction that you have yet to see where your chroot is broken |
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| 18:07.10 | Nyle | in time |
| 18:07.18 | Nyle | the more I use it and tinker, the more I'll learn |
| 18:07.31 | Nyle | i don't see anything wrong with that |
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| 18:08.01 | Pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
| 18:08.13 | valdyn | mudge: skype is relatively unproblematic because there's a statically linked version for download |
| 18:08.34 | valdyn | mudge: if you dont understand what that means that is probably a good reason to use i386 too |
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| 18:13.14 | Nyle | hmm |
| 18:13.20 | xingu | valdyn: go on, come join the dark side |
| 18:13.23 | xingu | one of us, one of us |
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| 18:13.28 | amazon10x | hello |
| 18:13.33 | Nyle | one thing though, I gotta figure out why it can't open vo x11 in mplayer |
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| 18:14.12 | wols | Nyle: what X11 driver? |
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| 18:15.13 | valdyn | xingu: the what? the ricer side? |
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| 18:15.48 | g047 | yo |
| 18:15.50 | xingu | valdyn: the "more gp registers is good-fu and you should too" side :) |
| 18:16.05 | valdyn | Nyle: -vo x11 should work on any box. |
| 18:16.08 | wols | xingu: needs to mature first |
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| 18:16.19 | Nyle | wols: i made a little bash script do_chroot and call it. mplayer runs from the 32bit chroot, but not gmplayer |
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| 18:16.22 | xingu | pah, the bleeding edge is where the fun is |
| 18:16.26 | Nyle | wols: other x11 apps run fine |
| 18:16.30 | Nyle | wols: like firefox etc. |
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| 18:16.43 | Nyle | wols: it says it can't open the vo X11 so i try to do -vo xv and no luck |
| 18:16.49 | wols | Nyle: stop talking to me until you can parse and answer the question please |
| 18:16.52 | g047 | why isn't Pidgin included in etch by default (yet)? |
| 18:17.03 | Nyle | wols: fglrx |
| 18:17.04 | Nyle | ? |
| 18:17.06 | valdyn | Nyle: '-vo x11', it could be case sensitive |
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| 18:17.12 | wols | g047: cause etch was frozen last autumn. back then there was no pidgin anywhere in existence |
| 18:17.15 | Nyle | valdyn: tried it |
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| 18:18.13 | valdyn | Nyle: x11 always works, except you dont have permissions to output. |
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| 18:18.45 | Nyle | oh i see |
| 18:19.11 | g047 | i just find it funny. was forced to use ms windows since january where i used Pidgin on a daily basis. then i return to a GNU system, and Pidgin is a real hassle to install |
| 18:19.15 | valdyn | Nyle: so - starting any X app from that same shell should not work |
| 18:19.49 | valdyn | g047: its not in backports? |
| 18:19.59 | Farhenheit | Hello everybody, do you know if there is any command line tool to modify the color of an image (in the current case, I would like to get more color from diving photos) ? |
| 18:20.17 | valdyn | g047: in windows you just get each dll another time, there's the big advantage to just install stuff |
| 18:21.26 | g047 | wow... been okay for hours and just now my hangover from last night kicked in... funky |
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| 18:22.04 | g047 | but nevermind. still good being back to a good system |
| 18:22.34 | wols | g047: checked backports? |
| 18:22.36 | wols | !pidgin |
| 18:22.36 | dpkg | [pidgin] formerly <gaim>, but due to trademark issues with AOL over the acronym AIM, had its name changed to Pidgin. libgaim is now libpurple and gaim-text is now Finch. Backported packages are available for Etch, add "deb http://ftp.cyconet.org/debian etch-backports main" to your sources.list. |
| 18:24.04 | Nyle | valdyn: right on |
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| 18:24.12 | Nyle | valdyn: it was a permission issue, thanks man |
| 18:24.13 | Nyle | you da man |
| 18:24.19 | Nyle | gmplayer works now under user |
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| 18:24.36 | valdyn | !sux |
| 18:24.36 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as root. aptitude install sux and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <gksu>. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
| 18:24.53 | Nyle | oh cool |
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| 18:25.25 | valdyn | !sudo |
| 18:25.26 | dpkg | i heard sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon. It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or you need to setup /etc/sudoers first before you can use it (<visudo>) |
| 18:25.38 | valdyn | Nyle: sudo does it too |
| 18:26.10 | rahul | su _should_ do it |
| 18:26.20 | rahul | g047: you were still drunk when you woke up |
| 18:26.21 | valdyn | rahul: sais who? |
| 18:26.34 | rahul | g047: have a shot of whiskey to celebrate |
| 18:26.39 | g047 | rahul, i dont actually know... may have been a bit |
| 18:26.48 | rahul | valdyn: says the way things should work, heh |
| 18:26.53 | g047 | there's no alcohol in my household |
| 18:26.57 | rahul | heh |
| 18:27.00 | rahul | wise move |
| 18:27.15 | rahul | or is that because you drank it all last night? :) |
| 18:27.38 | g047 | im done anyway. i'm tired of drinking and getting social |
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| 18:27.51 | rahul | yeah, people suck |
| 18:27.52 | rahul | heh |
| 18:28.00 | rahul | it's an open bar tonight! |
| 18:28.02 | g047 | its like people don't appriciate the efforts i make to give them a good time |
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| 18:28.09 | rahul | they appreciate me |
| 18:28.10 | troubled | especially raoooouls |
| 18:28.15 | rahul | but they're the ones doing the effort |
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| 18:29.29 | g047 | besides - am heavily medicated on some antipsychotic drug these days, so maybe i shouldnt be drinking |
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| 18:29.40 | rahul | heh, true |
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| 18:29.52 | rahul | I usually drink when I'm high, tho |
| 18:30.00 | rahul | that's my antipsychotic :) |
| 18:30.18 | g047 | i dont do drugs, orther than the ones prescribed to me. would like to try lsd ones |
| 18:30.26 | infinity0 | hey people, i got a questions... can you move the panels around in banshee like you can do in winamp? (and please don't ask me to "just install it and try it out" i have to install like 50 dependent packages and would like to avoid finding and uninstalling them all if it turns out i can't and i don't like the program) |
| 18:30.33 | g047 | *once |
| 18:30.48 | rahul | g047: heh, pot is better for you than alcohol or any of the prescription drugs you take |
| 18:31.08 | rahul | infinity0: YOU don't have to install the deps. if you do, you're not using debian. |
| 18:31.36 | infinity0 | rahul: no but i have to perosnally UNinstall them |
| 18:31.41 | rahul | infinity0: wrong |
| 18:31.46 | krazykit | infinity0, not if you use aptitude |
| 18:31.47 | rahul | infinity0: read the etch release notes |
| 18:32.08 | infinity0 | if i uninstall banshee synpatic won't automatically uninstall its dependencies |
| 18:32.09 | g047 | Risperdal is real good for me. removes the thoughts racing thrugh my head. only thing left up there is what i actually want to think, not all the useles data |
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| 18:33.07 | rahul | infinity0: sucks to be a synaptic user, then |
| 18:34.09 | rahul | g047: a drug-addled man once said, you can't always get what you want. but if you try some times, well you might find, you get what you need! |
| 18:34.12 | rahul | heh |
| 18:34.15 | rahul | but anyway :) |
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| 18:34.56 | g047 | "Risperdal/Risperidone works by blocking the receptors in the brain that dopamine acts on. This prevents the excessive activity of dopamine and helps to control schizophrenia. " |
| 18:34.59 | g047 | sweet shit |
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| 18:35.20 | rahul | yeah... most drugs will probably make that worse, then :) |
| 18:35.28 | g047 | yeah |
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| 18:36.08 | amazon10x | i'm trying to get wxpython setup for python 2.5 (i am on lenny). when i run `pycentral showdefault` it says 2.4. if i run `pycentral updatedefault 2.4 2.5` and then check the default it still says 2.4. any idea how i should do this? |
| 18:36.41 | michlemken | how stable (buggy) is lenny (testing) ? |
| 18:36.57 | g047 | i puksed in the bus home from the city last night, while sitting next to the cutest girl ever. she seemed guite understanding, and even laughed at my jokes. had the time and place been different, i'd have a chance with her, i think |
| 18:37.03 | g047 | *pukes |
| 18:37.26 | g047 | *pukes.. damnit |
| 18:37.26 | xand | puked |
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| 18:37.41 | g047 | .. puked... shit.. stupid keyboard |
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| 18:38.34 | Nyle | rahul: sup |
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| 18:38.48 | rahul | Nyle: insanity |
| 18:38.55 | Nyle | valdyn: I am thinking of installing a 32bit os in another partition |
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| 18:39.02 | rahul | the band rocked last night. crazy drumming and tempo changes |
| 18:39.06 | Nyle | but i dunnoo |
| 18:39.16 | rahul | amazing use of delay |
| 18:39.20 | Nyle | this seems to be working so far, but what is the prefferred method? |
| 18:39.33 | g047 | which band? |
| 18:39.38 | rahul | g047: Wu Li |
| 18:39.54 | rahul | http://www.myspace.com/shobeemusic |
| 18:40.26 | g047 | some of my music: http://www.myspace.com/productionsenator - the shit |
| 18:40.42 | g047 | /except warhellride. thats a joke) |
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| 18:41.27 | snowbird | if i take hd out 32 bot box and put in 64 wht happens |
| 18:42.21 | valdyn | Nyle: that is what i used as a chroot |
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| 18:43.33 | rahul | g047: heh, it is funny, tho |
| 18:43.33 | kspath | snowbird: as boot disk? |
| 18:43.43 | null | I have a problem, I have installed a courier-lib on custom path, also I have a debian courier-lib, how can I tell to a program(maildrop) to use my courier-lib instead of debian? |
| 18:43.57 | rahul | g047: I could see some people liking it, actually :P |
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| 18:44.24 | michlemken | Is it ok to use lenny (testing) - or is it too buggy ? |
| 18:44.39 | snowbird | kspath, i have amd 32 i will take hd out 32 bit and put in dual core box |
| 18:44.40 | CalJohn | michlemken: works for me. :) |
| 18:44.56 | snowbird | will that work? |
| 18:45.01 | g047 | i used WarHellRide for the roskidle festival 2006. looped the first verse and chorus, and placed it on a cd... 80 minutes worth of shit. great cd when drunk |
| 18:45.14 | g047 | (Calypso and Rum by Toni Christie) |
| 18:45.23 | michlemken | null: installing in /usr/local (rest same as /usr) may be yust fine |
| 18:45.24 | rahul | heh |
| 18:45.29 | kspath | michlemken: use how? I had etch and changed to lenny/sid and it was ok but I did not run it for weeks like that |
| 18:45.36 | rahul | haha, electric six! |
| 18:45.45 | g047 | electric six forever |
| 18:45.49 | Wyzard | snowbird: Yes, you can boot a 32-bit OS on an AMD64 or Intel 64 processor |
| 18:46.03 | Wyzard | snowbird: They can run both 32-bit and 64-bit software |
| 18:46.13 | kspath | snowbird: it might but it also depends on the rest of the hardware |
| 18:46.20 | null | michlemken: ok thanks |
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| 18:46.47 | g047 | E6s new song Randy's Hot Tonight (for their future album) is sweet |
| 18:46.49 | michlemken | thanks CalJohn, kspath - i will go for it and get poco + all new things |
| 18:47.01 | jakub_ | Hu Hu Ha He |
| 18:47.31 | wils0n | I've heard of a way to mount a disk such that all -changes- are stored in a file, but the origional disk/file is not modified. diff-fs or something. anybody know what this is called? |
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| 18:48.30 | Wyzard | wils0n: You can do that at the block-device level with LVM snapshots |
| 18:48.31 | kspath | snowbird: a dozen disks that booted my 32bit system all failed in different ways at different levels when I tried to use them on my dualcore box |
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| 18:48.34 | infinity0 | rahul: for future reference, synaptic with the deborphan package can do what you were mentioning |
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| 18:48.37 | kruste_6263 | wen ihr diesen link verschickt kriegt ihr geld www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=7309922 |
| 18:48.43 | kruste_6263 | ts a good link |
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| 18:48.56 | xand | sigh |
| 18:48.58 | wils0n | Wyzard: that's an idea. I'm on an embedded system though. Is there anything more lightweight than LVM ? |
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| 18:49.07 | Wyzard | wils0n: Not that I know of |
| 18:49.07 | rahul | infinity0: deborphan is a hack |
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| 18:49.14 | rahul | infinity0: aptitude does it right |
| 18:49.30 | infinity0 | rahul: i have no idea about the coding, nor what you mean |
| 18:49.37 | infinity0 | "does it right"...? |
| 18:49.41 | rahul | yes. |
| 18:49.43 | wils0n | Wyzard okay :) |
| 18:49.45 | rahul | aptitude does it right |
| 18:49.56 | rahul | deborphan is an external hack, that guesses |
| 18:49.56 | infinity0 | explain? |
| 18:50.05 | rahul | infinity0: just use aptitude |
| 18:50.21 | infinity0 | "guesses" i should think it uses the standard orphan-finding algorithm which is go through the trees :/ |
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| 18:50.39 | rahul | infinity0: which has nothing to do with any input from you. |
| 18:50.40 | infinity0 | honestly i see no difference, in fact it's found one extra that aptitude didn't find |
| 18:50.55 | rahul | aptitude didn't "find" it because you TOLD it not to |
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| 18:51.01 | infinity0 | rahul: what, did you code aptitude or something? |
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| 18:51.13 | rahul | infinity0: what, do you hate debian or something? |
| 18:51.14 | rahul | wtf |
| 18:51.17 | infinity0 | meh, fine whatever, it does its job |
| 18:51.29 | Wyzard | infinity0: The issue isn't finding orphans, it's what to do with them -- aptitude has flags saying whether a package was installed automatically (and therefore should be removed automatically when it's an orphan) or installed manually (and therefore should be kept even when it's an orphan) |
| 18:51.30 | Nyle | dudes, w.t.f. |
| 18:51.32 | infinity0 | rahul: no i'm using it right now aren't i? i'm just confused why you hate deborphan so much |
| 18:51.33 | snowbird | kk il leave it 32 bit |
| 18:51.41 | rahul | infinity0: it's a hack, by intention |
| 18:51.42 | Nyle | what about deborphan? |
| 18:51.46 | infinity0 | Wyzard: oh right ok |
| 18:51.50 | Nyle | seriously |
| 18:51.52 | Wyzard | infinity0: and it automatically marks auto-flagged orphans for removal |
| 18:52.03 | rahul | infinity0: it was intended to deal with the issue until aptitude implemented it properly |
| 18:52.08 | Wyzard | infinity0: so you can just tell aptitude to remove a package, and it'll automatically remove other stuff that's no longer needed |
| 18:52.11 | infinity0 | right, right |
| 18:52.21 | Wyzard | infinity0: You don't have to look through a list of orphan packages and figure out what to do with each |
| 18:52.29 | infinity0 | kk |
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| 18:52.53 | dalias | i love autoremove |
| 18:53.08 | Wyzard | FWIW, the auto flags used to be specific to aptitude, but they're now part of the dpkg core, accessible to other tools |
| 18:53.12 | dalias | it's greatwhen you need to momentarily install some gnome or kde crap to help someone debug |
| 18:53.19 | Wyzard | so it's reasonable to say that deborphan might eventually support them too |
| 18:53.21 | dalias | because you can clean it all back up right afterwards |
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| 18:53.45 | dalias | :) |
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| 18:53.49 | rahul | well, if all package management frontends can support it, there's little need for deborphan to exist |
| 18:54.23 | rahul | and they need to support it on _install_, not as a cleanup thing |
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| 18:58.53 | roxy_ | what is the command that allow to see all the installed jdk and to select the default one ? I used it before but can't find the name again . |
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| 18:59.13 | simonrvn | update-a<tab><tab> ;p |
| 18:59.48 | kspath_ | simonrvn: how are the people? |
| 18:59.48 | rahul | grr |
| 18:59.49 | michlemken | etch upgrade to lenny: 969 packages - mmm |
| 18:59.52 | rahul | allergies are kicking my ass |
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| 19:00.31 | simonrvn | kspath_: which ones? :) |
| 19:00.43 | hark | roxy_: update-java-alternatives |
| 19:00.46 | simonrvn | me it's the frickign wormwood |
| 19:00.50 | kspath_ | simonrvn: the ones that distrust the provencials |
| 19:00.52 | simonrvn | *ing |
| 19:02.00 | simonrvn | kspath_: well, depends ;). here we're doing ok. was rather momentous when the declaration was accepted and passed at the un on the 13th |
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| 19:02.18 | simonrvn | 30 years of work |
| 19:02.22 | kspath_ | 13th of THIS month? |
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| 19:02.26 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:02.27 | kspath_ | simonrvn: omg |
| 19:02.30 | roxy_ | hark: perfect, thanks |
| 19:02.40 | simonrvn | un.org ;) |
| 19:02.40 | kspath_ | simonrvn: my timing is good |
| 19:02.52 | Nyle | hi |
| 19:03.15 | simonrvn | kspath_: 11 abstentions, 4 nos, and 128 (or something) yes |
| 19:03.24 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
| 19:03.29 | snowbird | simonrvn, |
| 19:03.35 | simonrvn | hi |
| 19:03.55 | kspath_ | simonrvn: congratulations! |
| 19:04.05 | simonrvn | hehe :) |
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| 19:04.47 | null | michlemken: hey, you a genius, it works perfect installing on /usr/local, now I use rm -rf /usr/local and only ln -s /opt/path /usr/local , thanks :) |
| 19:05.24 | snowbird | thinking to take 32 bit and go 64 |
| 19:05.34 | snowbird | will deb complin |
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| 19:06.40 | Havis | valdyn: I solved the problem with cryptsetup :) |
| 19:06.43 | Wyzard | snowbird: You asked that just a little while ago and got an answer |
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| 19:07.32 | Wyzard | snowbird: You may or may not have driver-related problems if the new machine has different hardware, as can happen anytime you move an OS installation from one machine to another, but the 64-bit processor won't be a problem because it can run 32-bit software just fine |
| 19:08.27 | snowbird | yeha so if it complains then u use cd ad keeranel panic? |
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| 19:08.57 | kspath_ | simonrvn: indigenous peoples rights declaration Sept 13th, 2007 ? |
| 19:08.59 | michlemken | null: do an "echo $PATH" in a terminal - than you see why |
| 19:09.06 | simonrvn | kspath_: that be the one |
| 19:09.14 | kspath_ | simonrvn: About dang time! |
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| 19:10.20 | xingu | simonrvn: no surprises in the list of veto-ees. :) |
| 19:10.20 | kspath_ | simonrvn: every time I hear someone say Columbus discovered "America" I want to be sick. Yes, he discovered it for europe of that time but they make it sound like no one was here. |
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| 19:11.12 | lindenl2 | How do i check if my wireless antenna is on? |
| 19:11.17 | Wyzard | kspath_: That's like people saying Ben Franklin discovered electricity |
| 19:11.26 | null | michlemken: I have this |
| 19:11.28 | Jemt | Greetz. Can I trust the information given by the program 'hwinfo' when it comes to monitor resolution and refresh rates? Also, there is specified a resolution and refreshrate for both the monitor and the driver - which should I use ? |
| 19:11.29 | null | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/java/jdk1.5.0_07/bin:/usr/local/apache-tomcat-5.5.17/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin |
| 19:11.46 | Vasistha | Wyzard: you mean somebody else discovered it? :) |
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| 19:11.50 | deathplanter | hi guys... i'm trying to install apt-build but i dunno what processor architecture am i supposed to choose... does anybody know what to select at pentium D? |
| 19:11.55 | xingu | Wyzard: or that darwin discovered evolution? :) |
| 19:12.09 | kspath_ | Wyzard: he discovered his ignorance of it. |
| 19:12.16 | Wyzard | Vasistha: I don't remember who actually discovered it, but Franklin's discovery was just that lightning is an electric spark |
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| 19:12.46 | simonrvn | xingu: none at all |
| 19:12.48 | Vasistha | Is Dual-Layer DVD writing well-supported in etch? I'm considering buying a DL DVD+-RW drive |
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| 19:12.56 | kspath_ | xingu: if you replace the word discover with realize or started to grasp or formed a definiton of a concept |
| 19:13.10 | simonrvn | kspath_: more like we found him wandering around lost ;) |
| 19:13.12 | xand | Vasistha: it's internal to the drive, software shouldnt care |
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| 19:13.45 | simonrvn | deathplanter: i386 |
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| 19:13.56 | deathplanter | simonrvn: there is no such option/ |
| 19:13.58 | Vasistha | xand: so I could probably buy just about any brand + model of drive and it should work fine, huh? |
| 19:13.59 | assasukasse | hi everyone |
| 19:14.03 | xand | Vasistha: yes |
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| 19:14.23 | simonrvn | deathplanter: well pick one simialr to that arch ... |
| 19:14.25 | null | michlemken: aja, the problem comes from my PATH, thank again |
| 19:14.25 | Vasistha | xand: thanks much! fry's has a sony for $50 :D |
| 19:14.28 | xingu | kspath: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13084/13084.txt <-- one day when you're bored enough. |
| 19:14.29 | simonrvn | similar* |
| 19:14.35 | deathplanter | simonrvn: pentium4, pentium4m? |
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| 19:14.46 | deathplanter | simonrvn: prescott? nocrona? pentium-m? |
| 19:14.48 | Wyzard | xand: All modern PATA and SATA optical drives speak the same protocol (ATAPI) so they should all work equally, aside from things like bugs in the drive's firmware |
| 19:14.54 | Wyzard | oops |
| 19:14.57 | Wyzard | Vasistha: ^^^ |
| 19:15.14 | Vasistha | Wyzard: heh, thanks, I would have missed that |
| 19:15.22 | frankr | I'm trying to compile this module called rtl818x for my wireless card and every time I do it has errors; I messed around with it for a while and concluded that it is because the kernel source tree I'm working off of doesn't have an include/config.h |
| 19:15.24 | simonrvn | deathplanter: i'm thinking pentium-m or such... but i don't know x86 as well as i do ppc |
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| 19:15.34 | frankr | I'm not really sure hwo to go about fixing this |
| 19:15.41 | Vasistha | frankr: I use that, I could probably help you |
| 19:15.51 | frankr | Vasistha: oh awesome, How'd you get it to work? |
| 19:15.54 | null | michlemken: export PATH=$PATH=/opt/mail/courier-authlib/bin:/opt/mail/courier-authlib/sbin fix it! |
| 19:15.57 | Wyzard | Vasistha: and my understanding is that ATAPI is basically just SCSI commands tunneled over the IDE interface, so ATAPI drives and native SCSI optical drives are basically the same from a software perspective too |
| 19:16.11 | Vasistha | frankr: god, I don't remember, it's been a while! hehe. Let me look into it a bit. You're using etch? |
| 19:16.19 | frankr | Vasistha: unstable |
| 19:16.39 | frankr | I like bleeding edge |
| 19:17.03 | Vasistha | frankr: hum. Well ... it should be similar, anyway. Let me see if I set up a dpkg factoid on this. I know I wrote some instructions on a wiki somewhere; if only I could find it |
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| 19:17.49 | Vasistha | Wyzard: nice. at least some aspects of hardware purchase don't need consideration of proprietary firmware + drivers |
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| 19:20.04 | Wyzard | Vasistha: Few things do, really... video cards and wireless cards are just high-profile exceptions |
| 19:20.13 | digijohn | We're trying to install testing onto a new 250 GB hard drive, but the partition step (we chose guided partitioning) only detects the disk as 33 GB. What's up? |
| 19:20.14 | Vasistha | !tell frankr -about rtl-wifi |
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| 19:20.24 | digijohn | Is this going to cause a problem, or will it actually do the right thing? |
| 19:20.35 | guru | has anyone here used the em28xx drivers for usb tv tuner cards? |
| 19:20.54 | CactusMD | you don't live up to your name |
| 19:20.57 | Wyzard | digijohn: sounds like your IDE controller needs a BIOS update |
| 19:21.01 | Vasistha | digijohn: how old is the machine you've put that drive inside? |
| 19:21.11 | digijohn | It's a pretty new mobo |
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| 19:21.28 | digijohn | only a year or two |
| 19:21.56 | CactusMD | maybe 217g of swap |
| 19:21.59 | digijohn | MSI K8n Neo 4 |
| 19:22.09 | digijohn | (is the motherboard's model) |
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| 19:22.26 | digijohn | CactusMD, what the hell are you doing here? GTFO debian .\ /. |
| 19:22.48 | CactusMD | i use debian so i'm entitled to be here |
| 19:22.49 | Wyzard | digijohn: Some hard drives have a "limit to 32GB" jumper for some reason... make sure that isn't set on your drive |
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| 19:23.28 | Vasistha | frankr: well, as things often go with wikis, everything I wrote has been deleted. Have you been following the debian instructions listed on the rtl-wifi project website? |
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| 19:23.42 | Sebboh | When I plug my iphone into my desktop PC running Debian, it doesn't charge. ... Is this a software issue (debian) or a hardware issue (my PC)? |
| 19:23.46 | lindenl2 | Anyone having trouble with an iwl4965 wireless card mine no longer seems to connect? |
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| 19:23.56 | frankr | whoops |
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| 19:23.59 | digijohn | Wyzard: good call... my friend looked at the wrong picture and set the jumper to 32GB clip |
| 19:24.04 | digijohn | we're all set now |
| 19:24.14 | mikejw | hi debian |
| 19:24.19 | Sebboh | hi mikejw |
| 19:24.39 | mikejw | how's tricks? :) |
| 19:24.41 | frankr | Vasistha, could you give me that factoid again? |
| 19:24.52 | Vasistha | frankr: /msg dpkg rtl-wifi |
| 19:25.13 | mudge | i downloaded the image of debian that I need to burn to CD and use to boot and install debian, in burning the CD, I'm being asked this question |
| 19:25.32 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Potentially software -- I've heard that the Motorola Razr doesn't charge from USB unless the system has a special USB driver installed (which Motorola sells for $30) |
| 19:25.50 | Wyzard | Sebboh: though I've also heard that the check only works on Windows, so a Mac or Linux PC can charge a Razr |
| 19:25.55 | mudge | Do you want to create a disc from the contents of the image or with the image file inside? |
| 19:26.07 | Wyzard | Sebboh: but maybe the iphone has a similar built-in restriction? |
| 19:26.32 | mudge | in burning a disk image should I burn the contents of the image or with the image file inside? |
| 19:26.44 | Wyzard | mudge: contents of the image |
| 19:27.06 | lindenl2 | Ok this is nuts my wireless card comes up using wlassistant but not when i use ifup??? WTF? |
| 19:27.19 | Sebboh | Wyzard: well.. Is there a usb tool that can activate the 5v power on the usb port? Wyzard, doubtful. The iphone charges off of five volts.. USB. In fact, the wall-dongle is just a little USB shaped 5VDC adaptor... Then you use the normal usb cable as the charge cable.. |
| 19:27.22 | mudge | Wyzard: thanks, that will put all the contents of the image on the CD, instead of just putting the single image file on it? |
| 19:27.49 | Wyzard | mudge: correct -- you don't want a CD containing nothing but a big .iso file; that's useless |
| 19:28.01 | mudge | Wyzard, right, thank you |
| 19:28.24 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Well, in the Razr case, it's not that the phone *can't* charge without the special driver, or that it has any special hardware requirements -- it *checks* whether the driver is installed, and refuses to charge itself if not |
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| 19:28.52 | Wyzard | Sebboh: It's just a money grab on Motorola's part, as far as I can see: a way to get people to pay $30 for the ability to charge their phone from USB |
| 19:29.00 | Wyzard | Sebboh: so Apple could have done something similar |
| 19:29.32 | Vasistha | lindenl2: I'm not sure what wlassistant is doing, but I know that in the case of networkmanager, entries are removed from /etc/network/interfaces in order to work with it -- thus they work with NM but not with ifup/ifdown |
| 19:29.34 | gcosmin | can some one help me with my wireless on my laptop please? |
| 19:29.45 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 19:29.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:30.01 | snowbird | so does any poone have socket 478 proc? |
| 19:30.04 | twb | What do I have to do differently to put a bootable .iso onto a DVD instead of a CD? Just putting a DVD in instead of CD doesn't seem to work. And the .iso itself boots fine under qemu. |
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| 19:30.15 | Sebboh | Wyzard: no way.. No, I think that my USB ports aren't putting out power. Hmm. how could I confirm that.. let's see... /me looks for other usb devices |
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| 19:30.22 | infinity0 | every once in a while (around 20 minutes after i start my laptop) my encrypted partition on my external hard drive turns into a read-only file system... does anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:30.31 | Vasistha | !anyone use 478 proc |
| 19:30.31 | dpkg | No, no one uses 478 proc, not even the people who use it. |
| 19:30.33 | Wyzard | twb: There shouldn't be any special steps involved... it's the same as burning a CD |
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| 19:30.44 | twb | Well, I am flummoxed. |
| 19:30.53 | Wyzard | twb: I've burned an Ubuntu "CD" .iso to a DVD and installed from it; no problems whatsoever |
| 19:31.12 | Wyzard | Sebboh: No idea about that, sorry |
| 19:31.12 | twb | I wonder if perhaps BOTH the office NFS servers have problems with files >>2GB... |
| 19:31.32 | Wyzard | twb: What happens when you try to burn it? |
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| 19:31.51 | twb | Wyzard: it works |
| 19:32.24 | twb | Wyzard: if I put it in the drive and try to boot from it, I get a black screen with a flashing underscore, and eventually "Reboot and Select proper Boot device" |
| 19:32.45 | twb | ...which indicates that the BIOS has gotten control again and has decided that nothing is bootable. |
| 19:32.45 | Wyzard | twb: but the burn completes without reporting any errors? |
| 19:32.50 | twb | Yes. |
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| 19:33.11 | krisp | hey guys |
| 19:33.15 | twb | Argh, fuck, I think I know. |
| 19:33.16 | krisp | I'm running a new install of etch |
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| 19:33.21 | krisp | and trying to install postfix |
| 19:33.26 | Havis | infinity0: could be hardware problem |
| 19:33.27 | krisp | found a tutorial which has told me to run |
| 19:33.27 | krisp | xpensive over there? |
| 19:33.28 | krisp | [20:25] <Windrose> Not particularly ... 25 quid a night for the cheapest. And no limit up ;) |
| 19:33.28 | krisp | [20:25] <krisp> lol |
| 19:33.28 | krisp | [20:26] <krisp> was thinking about |
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| 19:33.31 | Wyzard | twb: Well, if the BIOS isn't even starting the boot process, that sounds like it can't find an El Torito descriptor at the beginning of the disc, so it's not an issue of 2GB truncation |
| 19:33.34 | twb | Our host `mirror' is an old BSD box, and its NFS server silently fucks up large files. |
| 19:33.35 | Wyzard | twb: bad disc maybe? |
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| 19:33.40 | krisp | sorry |
| 19:33.42 | krisp | :( |
| 19:33.44 | krisp | slipped finger |
| 19:33.59 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:34.05 | Wyzard | twb: well, either that or the El Torito descriptor points to data that's located more than 2GB into the disc |
| 19:34.12 | krisp | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free is the command the tutorial tell me to run - but when I try - I get deb: command not found :( ? |
| 19:34.19 | HardDisk_WP | what udev rule do I have to change to get read access for world for /dev/input/event* files? |
| 19:34.32 | Wyzard | krisp: That's not a command, it's a line to put in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:34.35 | twb | Wyzard: how can I find out if that is the case? |
| 19:34.39 | HardDisk_WP | I am noob in that kinda stuff |
| 19:34.46 | tummyacid | i am trying to install etch on a machine the cannot boot from cdrom. I have sarge on there now and i amhaving good luck with a chroot install but how do i take the install from a 300 mb partition where i did the chroot and use it where i currently have root mounted to? |
| 19:34.46 | krisp | Wyzard you're amazing :) cheers :) |
| 19:34.50 | infinity0 | Havis: hmm... actually i've set the idle time to switch off hard disks to 20 minutes... should i try disabling that? |
| 19:35.03 | Wyzard | twb: I don't know about how to check where files are located physically within a CD image |
| 19:35.14 | Havis | infinity0: yes, that could be a problem with encrypted disk |
| 19:35.28 | Wyzard | twb: but if you have a known problem with >2GB files, I'd say fix that first, and worry about other problems if it still doesn't work |
| 19:35.32 | twb | As a bonus, the fucking thing takes 75 minutes to build the squashfs filesystem. |
| 19:35.42 | twb | Wyzard: well, I *think* I have a problem with >2GB files |
| 19:35.45 | Havis | infinity0: you had such trouble before you set the drive spin-downtime? |
| 19:35.56 | twb | Wyzard: the server isn't kind enough to actually REPORT errors. |
| 19:35.57 | Wyzard | twb: squashfs involved in burning a DVD? |
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| 19:36.07 | twb | Wyzard: bootable live-initramfs DVDs |
| 19:36.16 | Wyzard | ah |
| 19:36.18 | infinity0 | Havis: i'm not entirely sure, i set the drive spin-downtime pretty soon after i installed debian. i'll try disabling it and see if it makes a difference |
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| 19:37.05 | xingu | twb: horse, gate, bolted, closing after the ... I know... but nfsv2 has a hard 2GB filesize limit |
| 19:37.12 | Havis | infinity0: ok, let me know if it helps |
| 19:37.22 | infinity0 | kk, will do :) |
| 19:37.22 | Nyle | for 1gb ram, how much swap should there be? |
| 19:37.34 | Nyle | half of ram, or twice the ram |
| 19:37.45 | Wyzard | Nyle: 1GB less than however much RAM you wish you had |
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| 19:37.57 | twb | xingu: I will do a fresh build from scratch on the local disk and then scp it to the host with the DVD burner :-( |
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| 19:38.04 | Nyle | so 1gb swap is ok for 1gb ram |
| 19:38.05 | twb | See you in 1.5 hours |
| 19:38.14 | Nyle | just asking, I never seem to swap |
| 19:38.26 | Nyle | is there a tool with which i can test swap usage ovr the course of a few weeks? |
| 19:38.30 | xingu | twb: some scp's aren't largefile safe either |
| 19:38.36 | xingu | twb: it's a minefield |
| 19:38.39 | twb | Bleh |
| 19:38.45 | xingu | twb: nb, both source *and* sink need to be. |
| 19:38.48 | Wyzard | Nyle: All that matters is that the amount of RAM+swap is at least as much as what's needed by everything you run |
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| 19:39.02 | twb | It's from CentOS 4 to... I think CentOS 4, or maybe a recent FC |
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| 19:39.20 | Nyle | Wyzard: I never seem to swap, anytime I have ever done free -m *dunno how accurate this is* I have always seen swap 0 |
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| 19:39.23 | Nyle | never used |
| 19:39.25 | Wyzard | twb: Why are you asking in #debian, then? |
| 19:39.53 | Wyzard | Nyle: then you could probably do with no swap at all, but it's good to have some anyway as a contingency |
| 19:40.00 | Nyle | ok |
| 19:40.17 | twb | Wyzard: because the DVD I'm making is Debian, and CentOS users are retards |
| 19:40.19 | Wyzard | Nyle: (plus, infrequently-used pages can be swapped out even if there's enough RAM for them, to make that RAM available for I/O buffers instead, which can improve performance |
| 19:40.20 | Nyle | Wyzard: would you by any chance know of a way to get precise ram/cache/swap use |
| 19:40.28 | twb | Otherwise, why would they use CentOS instead of Debian? |
| 19:40.34 | Nyle | Wyzard: I've heard conflicting things about the accuracy of free and htop etc. |
| 19:40.38 | Wyzard | Nyle: "free" is as good a way as any, AFAIK |
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| 19:40.55 | twb | Also, I asked #emacs and they didn't know, and #syslinux is empty. |
| 19:41.11 | LoneWlf | there's 2GB of space in use by /usr/share/locale |
| 19:41.18 | Wyzard | twb: hehe |
| 19:41.23 | Nyle | damn |
| 19:41.25 | LoneWlf | I'm wondering how much of this dir I actually _need_ |
| 19:41.25 | Nyle | I only speak english |
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| 19:41.30 | LoneWlf | anyone? |
| 19:41.31 | HardDisk_WP | how can I grep in a set of files for the string "input"?? |
| 19:41.35 | Nyle | so thats all i need really |
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| 19:41.41 | Wyzard | LoneWlf: apt-cache show localepurge |
| 19:41.44 | Nyle | other languages i don't care for even though i know em |
| 19:41.59 | LoneWlf | Wyzard : danka |
| 19:42.31 | xerophyte_ | does anybody know any good video card which support dual monitor, which works fine in linux ? |
| 19:42.59 | twb | xerophyte_: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450 (rev 82) |
| 19:42.59 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: Lots of nVidia cards have dual outputs, and work pretty well if you don't mind installing their non-free driver |
| 19:43.07 | kspath | anyone working on QuadKonsole debian package yet? |
| 19:43.08 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: dunno about nVidia dual-head support with the free driver |
| 19:43.27 | twb | kspath: if so, there will be an ITP bug against the wnpp pseudopackage |
| 19:43.30 | twb | !itp |
| 19:43.30 | dpkg | itp is, like, Intent To Package |
| 19:43.34 | twb | !wnpp |
| 19:43.34 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 19:43.59 | twb | Ooh, didn't know about wnpp-alert |
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| 19:44.30 | xerophyte_ | wyzard can you give me model number of one of the nVidia card which support dual .. i bought one it didn't work |
| 19:44.47 | xerophyte_ | twb hmmm let me take look at it |
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| 19:44.54 | yosef | Hi |
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| 19:45.31 | yosef | I have probelm , I cut 2 files, i past them in another folder but the files did not appear in both location, how can I find them? any log file can I know where they went? |
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| 19:45.47 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: You bought one with dual outputs and they didn't both work? Or you bought one and found that it didn't have dual outputs? |
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| 19:46.04 | twb | Don't buy from NVidia, enemy of your freedom |
| 19:46.14 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, i bought dual output one .. only one output worked other one didnt' work |
| 19:46.26 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: Which driver were you using? |
| 19:46.40 | TrueDD | re |
| 19:46.55 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: nv or nvidia? |
| 19:46.56 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, they didn't have linux driver either i use the free one .. it didn't work so i wanna exact card model so i can go and buy i t |
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| 19:47.08 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, do you know exact card which will work with xorg |
| 19:47.16 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: The free driver might not support dual-head |
| 19:47.23 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: but the non-free one definitely does |
| 19:47.36 | twb | xerophyte_: did you actually configure xorg.conf to use both heads? |
| 19:47.40 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, do you know any exact card model which support dual head under xorg |
| 19:47.45 | kspath | twb: thank you 218 days in prep maybe never |
| 19:47.46 | xerophyte_ | twb yes i did |
| 19:47.56 | HardDisk_WP | any1 familiar with udev rules? |
| 19:48.05 | twb | HardDisk_WP: the udev developers are |
| 19:48.20 | twb | HardDisk_WP: ask a less useless question. |
| 19:48.29 | twb | xerophyte_: pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 19:48.44 | xerophyte_ | twb now i have return that card |
| 19:48.44 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: No, I don't know of any exact model numbers which I've seen dual-head used on, but any dual-head card should work with nVidia's non-free driver |
| 19:48.49 | HardDisk_WP | i need to add a+rwx to /dev/input/event* |
| 19:48.57 | HardDisk_WP | i can do that manual |
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| 19:49.06 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: Are you unable/unwilling to use the non-free driver? |
| 19:49.07 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, i would be happy to get card which will work fine |
| 19:49.08 | HardDisk_WP | but it 'd be much better to make udev do that automatically |
| 19:49.14 | HardDisk_WP | can i do that? |
| 19:49.19 | infinity0 | how do i hook up xmms2 to emacs to make it clean my house? it's advertised here http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/What_XMMS2_will_not_do |
| 19:49.23 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, i don't mind using anything that works ;0 |
| 19:49.32 | twb | infinity0: you need to use XEmacs |
| 19:49.40 | infinity0 | twb: IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!! |
| 19:49.40 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: Then use it |
| 19:49.48 | Pabl0Escobar | My son was born today :) Damn sweet :) |
| 19:50.00 | twb | GNU Emacs does not contain an FFI for political reasons, an xmms2 uses a binary wire protocol (unlike mpd). |
| 19:50.05 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, which card .. there so many cards does not support under linux .. only windows when it gets to dual hed |
| 19:50.15 | Fjordside | Pabl0Escobar, what are you doing on irc then?!?!?! |
| 19:50.41 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: Once again, nVidia's non-free driver supports dual-head, so ANY NVIDIA CARD with dual outputs should work with that driver |
| 19:50.43 | Pabl0Escobar | Fjordside: relaxing, to much adrenaline :) |
| 19:50.43 | twb | Pabl0Escobar: presumably you are the father, since I doubt you would be ircing less than 24 hours after discharging a parasite that large |
| 19:50.52 | graytron | what's the quickest/best way to see what installed packages depend on a certain package` |
| 19:51.09 | twb | graytron: aptitude search ~Ddepends:fnord |
| 19:51.20 | graytron | twb: *bows* thank you very much |
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| 19:51.41 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: Install the nvidia driver, and check the readme for how to configure it in xorg.conf -- there's a special nVidia-specific TwinView configuration that you probably want rather than the usual Xinerama |
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| 19:52.02 | frankr | Vasistha, I got iwlist to show my AP but it won't connect if I do something like wconfig wlan0 essid FrankWireless1 |
| 19:52.03 | twb | Wyzard: shame on you, recommending people sacrifice freedom for short-term gratification |
| 19:52.03 | xerophyte_ | wyzards hmm |
| 19:52.23 | Wyzard | twb: He already has the card |
| 19:52.32 | twb | Bah. |
| 19:52.49 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: TwinView is a bit more efficient, I think, and it lets you use 3D acceleration across both monitors |
| 19:52.54 | twb | He should post it and a bag of feces to Nvidia and then go buy something else |
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| 19:53.04 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, is there any ati card which supports |
| 19:53.15 | twb | xerophyte_: ati are also evil |
| 19:53.21 | twb | xerophyte_: and yes. |
| 19:53.30 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: Their driver supports dual-head too, but their non-free driver is buggy, and in particular I've seen bugs related to dual-head in that driver |
| 19:53.39 | xerophyte_ | twb do you know any model number i bougth ati card it does not support under linux |
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| 19:53.45 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: The free ATI driver might support dual-head, though; I've never used it so I don't know |
| 19:53.53 | yos87 | I was trying to move two files the disappear at all from the system, how can I find them? |
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| 19:54.00 | twb | xerophyte_: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000] (rev 01) |
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| 19:54.26 | xerophyte_ | twb does that card support dual head? |
| 19:54.30 | twb | Yes. |
| 19:54.33 | yos87 | is there any log file for nautlius? |
| 19:54.46 | twb | xerophyte_: but you SHOULD NOT BUY FROM ATI NOR NVIDIA |
| 19:54.52 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: You've said you're willing to use nVidia's driver, and you already have an nVidia card, and I've told you how to do dual-head with that driver and that card... I'm confused as to why you're asking about ATI cards now |
| 19:55.14 | Sebboh | Anybody new come in recently that knows a bit about USB? I'm not getting power on a USB port, I think. My iphone won't charge, anyway. but.. my usb flashlight works, so.. Hmm. ?? |
| 19:55.18 | Wyzard | twb: even now that ATI is releasing detailed specs for their new hardware? |
| 19:55.18 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, i don't have card but i am going to buy one |
| 19:55.21 | xerophyte_ | http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/subclass.asp?logon=&langid=EN&catid=10524 |
| 19:55.23 | twb | Wyzard: they are? |
| 19:55.28 | xerophyte_ | from that list which supports dual head with linux |
| 19:56.14 | xerophyte_ | Wyzard, from the above list can you tell me which one supports dual get in linux? |
| 19:56.32 | Wyzard | twb: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjA1Mw |
| 19:56.49 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: ANY CARD supported by the vendor's non-free driver |
| 19:57.03 | twb | Wyzard: so it will be some time before anything comes of it |
| 19:57.20 | Wyzard | xerophyte_: Cards don't care what OS they're used with; if the driver can configure the outputs on the card, it will work |
| 19:57.56 | twb | Wyzard: except for some cards that implement DRM |
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| 19:57.57 | Wyzard | twb: Apparently they're releasing a GPL driver with basic functionality too, which can be used as a starting point |
| 19:58.03 | twb | Good. |
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| 19:58.28 | frankr | Vasistha, you around? |
| 19:58.29 | Wyzard | twb: Of course the DRM won't be supported by a free driver, but I'm sure it's still possible to freely use the other facilities of such cards |
| 19:58.38 | wAndyw78 | not debian related, but: anyone knows a 100MBit NIC with SecureON WOL? |
| 19:58.54 | twb | Similarly I won't use Sun Java yet, even though they have Freed some of their code. When Sun Java is *all* free I'll consider it. |
| 19:59.23 | twb | wAndyw78: what is "SecureON"? |
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| 19:59.37 | wAndyw78 | MagicPackets with password |
| 20:00.00 | Wyzard | twb: I believe they've released everything except some third-party stuff that they don't have rights to release, and Red Hat is working on filling in those gaps with free code (like Cairo to replace some missing AWT drawing code) |
| 20:00.24 | twb | Wyzard: nevertheless, they still haven't Freed it entirely yet. |
| 20:00.25 | wAndyw78 | to e more precise: You can configure WOL as unicast, multicast, broadcast, magick-packet, magick-apcket with password (SecureON) |
| 20:00.33 | twb | The reasons *why* are not important. |
| 20:00.36 | Wyzard | twb: Look for info on "icedtea", I believe |
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| 20:00.56 | wAndyw78 | or ethtool flag "s" |
| 20:01.05 | yos87 | somebody can guide for for a good recovery tools for debian? |
| 20:01.32 | wAndyw78 | All NICs which I have found support "pumg", |
| 20:01.44 | wAndyw78 | yos87: what type of recovery? |
| 20:01.54 | Nyle | I have installed a 32bit chroot. I can launch mplayer as user, but not gmplayer. It gives an error about opening x11 vo. However as root it runs fine. I am currently using exec sudo chroot /var/debian32 gmplayer in order to launch gmplayer but this is not good because it launches as root |
| 20:02.13 | Nyle | so can anyone help me figure out the problem |
| 20:02.30 | twb | Nyle: are you on AMD64? |
| 20:02.32 | Nyle | yes |
| 20:02.40 | twb | Nyle: why bother with a chroot, then? |
| 20:02.52 | twb | mplayer works perfectly well just by aptitude installing it |
| 20:02.57 | wueee | Hi i do not have internet access at home im at my friend house and i would like to download debian dvd bootimage. KDE GNOME and X are probably on the first dvd but i dunno for GTK, is there a links to see which package are on the dvd #1 |
| 20:03.05 | yos87 | wAndy78: data recovery for ext3 partition |
| 20:03.19 | wueee | i prefer to download only one dvd |
| 20:03.24 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 20:03.24 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 20:03.26 | Wyzard | wueee: GNOME depends on GTK so GTK is certainly on the first disc if GNOME is |
| 20:03.40 | Nyle | exec schroot -p -c debian32 -q -- "`basename $0`" "$@" works as user of course, but I get no gui mplayer *gmplayer*. if I use exec chroot /var/debian32 "`basename $0`" "$@" I get gmplayer but it runs as root |
| 20:03.46 | twb | wueee: FYI, there are often local companies that will sell you pre-burnt DVDs for around $5 each |
| 20:03.47 | Nyle | I'm kinda lost here, can anyone helpme out |
| 20:03.56 | Nyle | twb: well 32bit codecs don't |
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| 20:04.03 | twb | Nyle: which ones? |
| 20:04.06 | Nyle | twb: and w64codecs is very incomplete |
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| 20:04.11 | twb | Realaudio seems to work for me |
| 20:04.11 | wueee | abrotman thanks |
| 20:04.12 | Wyzard | Nyle: I'm on amd64 and haven't seen much need for win32codecs |
| 20:04.13 | wAndyw78 | yos87: after what? Did you delete some files or what? |
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| 20:04.17 | twb | As does lavc and divx |
| 20:04.18 | Wyzard | Nyle: WMV is supported natively now |
| 20:04.27 | Nyle | ok |
| 20:04.53 | Nyle | what about matroska? or qt? or real? or wma? or indeo video 5? |
| 20:04.54 | Nyle | etc.etc. |
| 20:05.00 | yos87 | wAndy78: No, I did not, I cut them, I went to another folder, I click past, the didn't appear in both folder, I don't know where they went |
| 20:05.02 | Nyle | lots of closed codecs not on w64codeca |
| 20:05.10 | twb | Nyle: realaudio works |
| 20:05.11 | Wyzard | Nyle: dunno about Indeo, but I haven't even seen an Indeo file in ages |
| 20:05.16 | yos87 | wAndy78: they also not appear when I search |
| 20:05.18 | Nyle | Wyzard: i got some |
| 20:05.19 | twb | Nyle: have you actually TRIED to run it natively? |
| 20:05.28 | Nyle | twb: yes |
| 20:05.29 | Wyzard | Nyle: If WMV is supported, I suspect WMA is too |
| 20:05.40 | yos87 | wAndy78: the files really went, maybe deleted |
| 20:05.41 | valdyn | Nyle: wmv is a container format too, not a just codec. Im not sure all wmv can actually be played w/o win dlls, most certainly can |
| 20:05.42 | Nyle | well, not recently |
| 20:05.47 | Wyzard | Nyle: Quicktime is just MPEG-4 these days; dunno about older versions |
| 20:05.47 | Nyle | I don't know how recent this is |
| 20:06.05 | yos87 | wAndy78: what i'm talking maybe unbeliveable |
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| 20:06.15 | Wyzard | Nyle: Matroska is a container like AVI and is supported |
| 20:06.21 | Nyle | hmm |
| 20:06.24 | twb | Nyle: you might also want to ask #mplayer on freenode |
| 20:06.33 | Wyzard | Nyle: Try the native 64-bit mplayer and see if you actually have videos it can't play |
| 20:06.33 | tummyacid | can i use the contents of /proc/cpuinfo to tell if i have AMD K7 cpu? |
| 20:06.35 | Nyle | thank you, I didn't even think to ask them |
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| 20:06.48 | Nyle | Wyzard: there were some,I remember I attempted to run amd64 last month |
| 20:06.52 | wAndyw78 | yos87: I you delete files on ext3, it's very ugly to restore files. It's possible to grep for known "keywords" and recover deleted textfiles, but.... |
| 20:06.52 | Wyzard | tummyacid: Yes, look at the "model name" line |
| 20:06.55 | theONE | DCC SEND "KEYLOGGER" 0 0 0 |
| 20:07.01 | Nyle | Wyzard: so far I've got everything to work, just that damn gmplayer won't launch as user |
| 20:07.03 | HardDisk_WP | lol? |
| 20:07.18 | Nyle | Wyzard: Imight just say fuck it,and learn mplayer keyboard shortcuts and attempt to actually configure the .mplayer/config |
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| 20:07.22 | HardDisk_WP | what was that? |
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| 20:07.33 | Nyle | i could probably do without gui mplayer |
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| 20:07.34 | HardDisk_WP | i diodnt know that exploit is still so popular |
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| 20:07.44 | tummyacid | model is 4, no not a K7? |
| 20:07.48 | wAndyw78 | yos87: Did you use nautilus or thunar for copy&paste? |
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| 20:08.11 | Wyzard | tummyacid: K7 is anything in the Athlon family |
| 20:08.24 | sparr | in february i updated apache and it started using /var/log/apache2 instead of /var/log/apache, but the webalizer package doesnt seem aware of that. bug? |
| 20:08.25 | Wyzard | tummyacid: K6 is ancient, from the era of the 486 and Pentium chips |
| 20:08.34 | yos87 | wAndy78: I used nautilus ! any log file for nautilus? |
| 20:08.34 | tummyacid | AMD Athlon(tm) Processor so then i should use the K7 kernal? |
| 20:08.36 | Wyzard | tummyacid: (AMD64 chips are K8, FWIW) |
| 20:08.39 | Wyzard | yes |
| 20:08.43 | Wyzard | 686 will work too |
| 20:08.47 | tummyacid | cool, thank you |
| 20:08.54 | yos87 | wAndy78:maybe log file can show why he delete |
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| 20:09.15 | yos87 | wAndy78: did you got such thing before? |
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| 20:11.06 | wAndyw78 | yos87: no, never had such problems |
| 20:11.42 | tuvwx | what is a good podcast client for linux? (gnome preferred) |
| 20:11.45 | valdyn | yos87: ~/.xsession-errors |
| 20:12.21 | wAndyw78 | yos87: you can create a ~/nautilus-debug-log.conf and enabgle there debugging |
| 20:12.22 | valdyn | tuvwx: democracy |
| 20:12.31 | krisp | is there a diffeerence between apt-get and aptitude ? |
| 20:12.40 | mikejw | tuvwx: you could just use Podbasher |
| 20:12.46 | valdyn | democracyplayer - GTK+ based RSS video aggregator |
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| 20:13.44 | wAndyw78 | yos87: Did you had a look at .Trash ;-) ? |
| 20:14.34 | yos87 | wAndyw78: yes, I did int he biggining |
| 20:14.44 | yos87 | valdyn: the end of the file is very old ! |
| 20:15.06 | yos87 | wAndyw78: how to enable the debug? |
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| 20:15.47 | enterusername | hi all how do you ell apt-get not to upgrade cupsys but everything else? |
| 20:16.05 | enterusername | so i can do apt-get upgrade but it will not upgrade the cupsys package. |
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| 20:17.27 | Sebboh | My previous questions about getting the iPhone to charge have been answered by this: http://mattcolyer.com/projects/iphone-module/ .. Well, not an ideal solution, but, perhaps it will get folded into the kernel. |
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| 20:17.37 | wAndyw78 | yos87: do you see something in ~/.xsession-errors? Enable by putting the following in ~/nautilus-debug-log.conf: [debug log] max lines=1000 |
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| 20:18.30 | tuvwx | valdyn, shouldn't i use miro instead? -- Miro (previously known as Democracy Player) is a platform for Internet television and video. |
| 20:18.32 | wAndyw78 | yos87: [debug log] max lines=1000 in separate lines... |
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| 20:18.55 | leOn | hello |
| 20:19.09 | wAndyw78 | yos87: but I think know it's too late, or not? |
| 20:19.09 | arturaz | ok. i have a script, owned by root. chmoded it +s. i try to run it from regular user and the `id` inside the script says that i'm still running old user, not root. any ideas? |
| 20:19.24 | leOn | what's the easier way to include firmware into the initrd ? |
| 20:19.27 | dalias | setuid scripts are not possible |
| 20:19.39 | dalias | they're inherently vulnerable and thus the kernel does not allow them |
| 20:20.00 | arturaz | eh.. |
| 20:20.00 | yos87 | wAndyw78: for next time, it's very fine now because the lost file is adult content, But next time maybe now |
| 20:20.23 | tuvwx | valdyn, or maybe it's still too soon for miro |
| 20:20.26 | dalias | arturaz, there is an inherent, unavoidable vulnerability in suid scripts |
| 20:20.29 | troubled | Anyone know how many wifi routers that ship, do so with wifi enabled and a static default password/admin login? |
| 20:20.36 | dalias | so linux simply ignores the suid bit for scripts |
| 20:20.40 | wAndyw78 | yos87: aha, adult content.. this was a sign from god :-) |
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| 20:21.24 | krazykit | troubled, nearly all of them? |
| 20:21.57 | yos87 | wAndyw78: yea, you are right , and that is why i'm not very upset, But still currous to know about it |
| 20:21.59 | troubled | krazykit: serious? so I could literally take over a wifi router regardless and replace the firmware in seconds without anyone ever knowing around the globe with a powerful antenna? |
| 20:22.35 | yos87 | wAndyw78: I creat the file natutilus-debug-log.conf in my home directory, and I put inside the 2 lines you told me about |
| 20:22.37 | krazykit | well, i should think the owner might notice if they suddenly can't log in or something |
| 20:23.02 | yos87 | wAndyw78: now it will work? |
| 20:23.06 | krazykit | troubled, some now are forcing you to do setup, though, and change passwords. dlink does, as i recall. linksys might've changed in the past year or two, maybe. |
| 20:23.10 | z3us0ne | hi....i've a problem with a old IBM server, netfinity 5000, i'm not able to install the OS! |
| 20:23.14 | troubled | krazykit: flash upload and reboot time is what? 2 - 3 seconds? About the same amount of time it takes you to stand up after plugging it in? |
| 20:23.32 | wAndyw78 | yos87: you can try it... open nautilus, create a file, move it.. an have a look at the logfile |
| 20:24.06 | krazykit | troubled, depends on the router, really. buffalo need to get in at bootup with tftp. some linksys did too |
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| 20:24.12 | dalias | arturaz, if you really need a script to run as root, write a C program to do nothing but run that script, and make it (the C program) suid. or use sudo for this. |
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| 20:24.25 | dalias | but make sure you hard-code the full path of the script |
| 20:24.38 | dalias | and that it is not under any user-writable directories |
| 20:25.00 | abrotman | so basically .. don't :) |
| 20:25.01 | yos87 | wAndyw78: not work, I tried, manybe the file name is worng? /home/yosef/nautilus-debug-log.conf ? |
| 20:25.17 | dalias | also |
| 20:25.18 | troubled | krazykit: but with a fast computer, strong antenna(s), mac list, prehack'd firmwares, you could literally take over every single wifi in the world within seconds after they plug it in no? |
| 20:25.27 | arturaz | sudoers manual is horrible.. ;( |
| 20:25.29 | dalias | there are major vulns aside from the unavoidable one with suid scripts |
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| 20:25.37 | tbenita | hi, I'm upgrading from sarge to etch ; I have issues with freefont : not available any more and unable to remove it. I guess this is related to xorg switch, but I wonder how to get rid... Any tip ? |
| 20:25.38 | dalias | like the IFS environment variable, and many other env vars |
| 20:25.53 | troubled | krazykit: I figure by the time you plug in a router, I could (in theory) have it hacked and trojan'd before you stand up to look at the lights. no? |
| 20:25.54 | dalias | so you need to be very careful... |
| 20:26.02 | krazykit | troubled, the world? not really, since you can't tftp the firmware via wireless |
| 20:26.07 | yos87 | wAndyw78: not working |
| 20:26.24 | troubled | krazykit: well, not world, thats rather unrealistic. But a large urban area for sure |
| 20:26.28 | wils0n | arturaz : I agree. It's crap. |
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| 20:27.19 | krazykit | troubled, many routers cannot be upgraded to unofficial firmwares via the web interface and such, requiring you to use tftp or the like. you can't tftp via wireless, because at that point, wireless hasn't been initialized. |
| 20:27.23 | troubled | krazykit: well, tftp'd one's which require a wired login no, but if any manufacturer allows wifi by factory default with a known static password, you could surely upload it via the web interface |
| 20:27.37 | arturaz | any idea why this still asks for a pass? www-data ALL = NOPASSWD: /var/lib/gems/1.8/mongrel_rails |
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| 20:28.12 | tbenita | I get : /usr/bin/mkfontscale: error while loading shared libraries: libfontenc.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:28.23 | krazykit | troubled, yes, if you can disguise your trojaned firmware as a manufacturer one. most manufacturers have a way of determining official vs unofficial |
| 20:28.33 | troubled | krazykit: ah, so most are tftp these days? Havent tried anything made in the last 2 years wifi wise. I know my smc I had was garbage though. Could upload via web page too |
| 20:29.01 | troubled | krazykit: and most hackers have a way to find out anything the manufacturer tries to hide. :) |
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| 20:29.38 | twb | troubled: it's been the case for more than two years. |
| 20:29.55 | z3us0ne | i've a netfinity 5000 IBM server with serveRAID controller and 5 DH in RAID mode, i try to install linux but after rebooting the bootloader can't find the root HD! hi says : no block device found! what is the problem? |
| 20:30.03 | twb | troubled: check out the wiki on openwrt.org for embedded router hacking |
| 20:30.04 | troubled | krazykit: Was just concerned that our whole wifi infrastructure was some laughing stock, insecure by design that could allow takeover soon as you plug it in with proper cell tower strength equipment |
| 20:30.04 | michlemken | now running Lenny - after restoring my backup of grub/menu.lst - why is debian always overwriting it (i have a custom kernel)? |
| 20:30.29 | twb | troubled: use WPA2, VPN or MAC whitelisting |
| 20:30.36 | troubled | twb: well, the 45g's were an odd exception |
| 20:30.42 | twb | troubled: WEP is definitely very easy to crack. |
| 20:31.05 | twb | michlemken: because you're editing it WRONG |
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| 20:31.35 | troubled | twb: im not talking about encryption though. im talking about if its possible to setup an attacker AP which looks up the make/model based on mac and uploads a hacked firmware seconds after plugin before you even set it up. |
| 20:31.47 | Nyle | Wyzard: ok...so far all my media seems to be playing |
| 20:32.02 | yos87 | wAndyw78: maybe I have to creat as root? |
| 20:32.02 | troubled | twb: clearly impossible to prevent for any company that enables wifi out of the box with a known default login |
| 20:32.03 | twb | troubled: I don't know about that. |
| 20:32.18 | twb | troubled: not impossible |
| 20:32.19 | troubled | cept the tftp upload as was mentioned |
| 20:32.21 | Nyle | Wyzard: wow, 64 has come pretty far |
| 20:32.28 | twb | troubled: just configure it in an isolated area with lead-lined walls |
| 20:32.33 | wAndyw78 | yos87: perhaps debug is only enabled in sid? |
| 20:32.35 | Nyle | Wyzard: im still using a 32bit chroot for iceweasel with java and flash etc. |
| 20:32.41 | twb | troubled: or just unscrew the damn aerial |
| 20:32.47 | troubled | twb: and how many wifi installs meet that requirement? :) |
| 20:32.51 | wAndyw78 | yos87: I try it with lenny |
| 20:33.02 | twb | troubled: aren't you talking about a network you set up and control? |
| 20:33.08 | phizeek | i'm having an issue installing build-essential with etch, alot of dependencie issues. i try to install each one, but then i get more dependencie issues. |
| 20:33.12 | yos87 | wAndyw78: what sid? lenny? I have debian 4.0 etch |
| 20:33.45 | twb | phizeek: are you running "aptitude install build-essential"? Pastebin the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:33.53 | troubled | twb: no, im talking about a brand new out of the box wifi router with wide open access until you login and lock it down. ie: beat the user to the punch with an automated takeover system in multiple urban areas |
| 20:34.33 | wAndyw78 | yos87: nautilus-dbg - file manager and graphical shell for GNOME - debugging version |
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| 20:34.33 | infinity0 | does XMMS come with media library features? |
| 20:34.33 | phizeek | twb: http://pastebin.com/m7f7c335e |
| 20:34.33 | twb | troubled: how can you do that if you unscrew the aerial and place the device in a lead-lined cage before powering it on? |
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| 20:35.05 | troubled | twb: well, may not work against that, but how many non guru wifi owners do that? < 1%? |
| 20:35.14 | michlemken | twb: i guess you are right - i move "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST" in front of the kernel lists |
| 20:35.15 | wAndyw78 | yos87: apt-get install nautilus-dbg |
| 20:35.21 | twb | troubled: and as I said, why do you care what "non gurus" do? |
| 20:35.35 | troubled | twb: cause they make the easiest targets, no? |
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| 20:36.00 | twb | troubled: you sound like you are planning to crack into unprotected systems. |
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| 20:36.33 | yos87 | wAndyw78: I install it |
| 20:36.36 | troubled | twb: not planning no, more just wifi is a joke |
| 20:36.43 | twb | Unless you intend to do so solely in order to make them secure, I will not condone this behaviour. |
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| 20:38.16 | troubled | twb: secure them? I thought my point was you could take them over without the user thinking anything before they even sit down to open a web browser and configure them |
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| 20:38.25 | yos87 | wAndyw78: I install it, where is the log file? |
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| 20:39.41 | twb | troubled: so you do that, and install a new flash image that is not insecure. |
| 20:40.00 | arturaz | where do i change the system-wide $PATH? |
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| 20:40.13 | abrotman | /etc/profile |
| 20:40.14 | Wardog91 | HEI SANN FLEISANN!!! |
| 20:40.15 | twb | arturaz: you don't |
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| 20:40.24 | arturaz | twb, why? |
| 20:40.28 | Wardog91 | JEG ER NORSK OG DERE ER IDIOTER |
| 20:40.31 | twb | arturaz: you almost certainly want to change it locally. |
| 20:40.34 | abrotman | Wardog91: ENGLISH |
| 20:40.36 | Mavez | LOL |
| 20:40.40 | z3us0ne | i try to boot netinst cd but it say scsi0: someone reset channel A on a infinite loop! |
| 20:40.40 | Wardog91 | OG JEG BANKER HELE SLEKTA DERES |
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| 20:40.44 | Wardog91 | ÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆÆ |
| 20:40.45 | abrotman | !no |
| 20:40.45 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 20:40.47 | Wardog91 | ÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅ |
| 20:40.48 | twb | Wardog91: plonk |
| 20:40.48 | Wardog91 | ØØØØØØØ |
| 20:40.50 | abrotman | !ops Wardog91 |
| 20:40.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: abrotman complains about: Wardog91 |
| 20:40.51 | Mavez | LOL |
| 20:40.53 | Nyle | *ohman |
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| 20:41.00 | Nyle | there is no 64bit zsnes |
| 20:41.02 | Nyle | awe |
| 20:41.02 | abrotman | peterS: thank you |
| 20:41.11 | Nyle | no problem |
| 20:41.17 | twb | Nyle: correct, zsnes still contains hand-coded assembly |
| 20:41.17 | abrotman | i'd guess Mavez goes with him .. but not sure |
| 20:41.21 | twb | Nyle: use snes9x-x |
| 20:41.28 | Mavez | huh |
| 20:41.37 | Nyle | twb: i don't like it. I am running a 32bit zsnes as we speak now |
| 20:41.50 | peterS | yeah, probably, but Mavez isn't being disruptive yet |
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| 20:42.00 | twb | Mavez: kindly produce more meaningful remarks or be silent. |
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| 20:42.03 | troubled | twb: most routers are arm based these days yes? |
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| 20:42.13 | twb | troubled: well, many are mipsel. |
| 20:42.14 | Nyle | !arm |
| 20:42.14 | dpkg | from memory, arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 20:42.31 | Nyle | someone told me gameboy advance has an arm |
| 20:42.40 | twb | That wouldn't surprise me. |
| 20:42.55 | twb | It contains about 3 whole game systems, for backwards compatibility |
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| 20:43.18 | troubled | twb: are the binary rom images encrypted typically by chance? |
| 20:43.30 | twb | You can get slimline units in Japan that can't run GB roms. |
| 20:43.39 | twb | troubled: eh? |
| 20:43.43 | wAndyw78 | yos87: Sorry, can't help you. The last time I uses is is years ago. Can't create the logfile here with lenny. Use google... |
| 20:43.48 | troubled | twb: wifi flash images sorry |
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| 20:44.15 | troubled | twb: I assume its not just pure asm dump, but rather a crypted image? |
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| 20:44.19 | twb | troubled: I strongly suspect not. Why would you put a decryption/FPU chip in a $50 device? |
| 20:44.20 | arturaz | damn it. can't find where the root user path get's set |
| 20:44.27 | simonrvn | !peterS++ |
| 20:44.36 | twb | troubled: the last one I saw was just a kernel and a CPIO filesystem cat'ed together |
| 20:44.46 | troubled | twb: to prevent someone from rev engineering the opcodes and altering/uploading a non approved firmware? |
| 20:45.00 | troubled | heh |
| 20:45.02 | twb | The hardware manufacturers don't give a shit if you put a new OS on |
| 20:45.14 | twb | They just won't support it or warrant it. |
| 20:45.21 | abrotman | arturaz: /etc/profile |
| 20:45.59 | yos87 | wAndyw78: Thank you very much for your help, you are so kind |
| 20:46.01 | twb | embedded routers are ultimately about how cheaply you can make the hardware. |
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| 20:46.30 | troubled | twb: so really all you would need is a bunch of firmware's, mipsel instruction set manuals, hexedit and some time and list of mac address -> make/model db and you could be good to go? |
| 20:46.51 | twb | troubled: why not just use OpenWRT? |
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| 20:48.02 | troubled | twb: I suppose what you replace it with is irrelavant if you just make it look/function 100% like the original. of course you would want to pretend any attempts to install a new firmware would be pretend as well. would need to disable the update feature in a way |
| 20:48.17 | troubled | not like html is rocket science to copy.... |
| 20:48.25 | twb | If you're targeting clueless fucks, it doesn't matter if it looks different, because they've never used it before. |
| 20:48.38 | Zweisteine | Hello, I want to build a crosscompiler for fpc (running amd64, want i386). What package do I need for an assembler that supports cross-compilation? |
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| 20:49.08 | peterS | Zweisteine: 'binutils'. it knows about 64-bit, 32-bit and 16-bit output modes |
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| 20:49.31 | troubled | twb: wel, i would think the target would be any router you have already remade the firmware with. of course, testing would be in order which requires actual products and money. Say $10000 could by every make/model known |
| 20:49.40 | peterS | binutils contains the 'as' assembler, which takes a '--32' flag |
| 20:49.40 | twb | peterS: can it do PDPs? :P |
| 20:50.00 | twb | They are like 37 bit or something |
| 20:50.05 | peterS | twb: that's a broad question, you should know very well that there were many PDP models whose CPUs used different instruction sets |
| 20:50.13 | peterS | 36-bit actually |
| 20:50.54 | troubled | howdy |
| 20:51.08 | peterS | this troubles me |
| 20:51.20 | Zweisteine | peterS, Thanks. I noticed the --32 option. I suppose the problem is in how I do my actual cross-compilation, because the program expects to pass a -b flag to as. |
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| 20:51.51 | Zweisteine | peterS, I noticed in the manpage that -b is relevant for a different architecture, M68HC11(?). |
| 20:52.17 | peterS | I have no idea what 'as -b' is supposed to do, presumably you want to find out what that is so you can have it do whatever GNU binutils expects instead |
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| 20:53.14 | simonrvn | i like how sometimes the gnu one is sometimes refered to as 'gas' =) |
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| 20:53.23 | gcosmin | can please some help me with my wireless ? |
| 20:53.24 | peterS | indeed |
| 20:53.39 | Zweisteine | simonrvn, yeah, I saw that in a package description, I didn't know what it meant first |
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| 20:53.50 | simonrvn | "i'm going to pass gas some arguments" |
| 20:54.10 | Nyle | hey |
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| 20:54.24 | simonrvn | !tell gcosmin -about ask |
| 20:54.24 | Nyle | that doesn't sound right simonrvn |
| 20:54.24 | peterS | gcosmin: I think we all missed your actual question |
| 20:54.25 | Nyle | lol |
| 20:54.30 | x_link | Nyle: Hi! |
| 20:54.49 | simonrvn | Nyle: hehe |
| 20:54.57 | gcosmin | peterS: i have a problem with my wireless |
| 20:54.58 | Nyle | I have just installed amd64 and I am unable to play moop3 files in amarok, however everything else is fine, and sound is ok. |
| 20:55.12 | peterS | gcosmin: we caught that part. but it's pretty hard to tell you how to fix it without having any idea what your problem is |
| 20:55.41 | simonrvn | gcosmin: would be helpful for everyone if you read what the bot told you in /msg |
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| 20:56.03 | gcosmin | don't know what to install to make it work, the thing is it can't see it |
| 20:56.25 | gcosmin | someting like ath0 |
| 20:56.38 | Nyle | where should I look |
| 20:56.40 | gcosmin | right now i got only lo |
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| 20:57.07 | peterS | what linux needs is æth0, for æthernet. |
| 20:57.15 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 20:57.26 | twb | peterS: feel free to create the hal rules |
| 20:57.31 | twb | Or udev, perhaps I mean |
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| 20:57.33 | peterS | I'm almost tempted |
| 20:57.40 | Nyle | The xine-engine claims it cannot play MP3 files. |
| 20:57.47 | twb | Nyle: good for it. |
| 20:57.51 | Nyle | why does xine tell me this? |
| 20:57.51 | peterS | I wonder if anything would break |
| 20:58.00 | Nyle | i thought libxine1-ffmpeg should take care ofi t |
| 20:58.28 | Sconn | Can someone tell me when an operating system is reffered to as modular. What does it mean? I was also wondering if debian is a modular operating system |
| 20:58.30 | gcosmin | sow can some tell me what to install |
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| 20:58.42 | gcosmin | or i can get nothing on this channel |
| 20:58.50 | dalias | sconn, it has no particular meaning... |
| 20:58.56 | dalias | just random buzzwordism |
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| 20:59.17 | peterS | Sconn: modular means you can get bits and pieces of it at a time and they work together. this can be true at many levels, so as dalias says, it isn't a very meaningful description |
| 20:59.59 | twb | For that matter, neither is "operating system" |
| 21:00.19 | Nyle | mplayer can play mp3 files but amarok using xine claimns it cannot. please advise |
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| 21:00.54 | Nyle | I beleive I have all the relevant packages installed, like libxine-ffmpeg etc. |
| 21:00.54 | twb | Nyle: I advise you to bake merengue |
| 21:01.09 | Nyle | twb: advice regarding my problem :) |
| 21:01.22 | peterS | yeah, libxine1-ffmpeg seems as though it should be sufficient |
| 21:01.25 | twb | I advise you to give up computers and become a grocer |
| 21:01.33 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:01.36 | Sconn | well. I need to actually find a definition |
| 21:01.42 | Nyle | tank you come again |
| 21:01.45 | peterS | Sconn: this is your homework, isn't it? |
| 21:02.00 | Sconn | correct. :) |
| 21:02.00 | twb | Sconn: I can give you a definition. |
| 21:02.25 | Sconn | twb: that would be great |
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| 21:02.33 | Sconn | Ive looked everywhere and I cant find anything. |
| 21:02.36 | gcosmin | i try modprobe ipw2100 |
| 21:02.39 | peterS | Sconn: as twb notes, before deciding what a modular operating system is, you first have to nail down what is meant by operating system. this isn't a smart-alec response, it is directly relevant to the question of what debian is |
| 21:02.39 | gcosmin | and i got anyting |
| 21:02.53 | twb | "Modular OS: an OS fashioned from the loins of Gothor, the god of nose hair, by his second concubine Daphne after she caught him sleeping with a mortal woman." |
| 21:03.15 | gcosmin | i mean noting |
| 21:03.24 | Sconn | peterS: well ive installed debian years ago and became familiar with it. So I think I know a little bit about what it is |
| 21:03.56 | peterS | Sconn: my question still stands. by one definition, debian is an OS. by another definition, it is an OS plus a lot of applications. by yet another, it is an OS plus system software plus a lot of applications |
| 21:04.02 | twb | ISTR AST's MoS2e has some philosophizing about "what is an OS" in the first chapter. |
| 21:04.31 | Sconn | PeterS: I see your point. |
| 21:04.34 | lordrich | Sconn: it's a trick question - you'll need to learn the exact answer your teacher expects or you'll be marked wrong |
| 21:04.38 | peterS | Sconn: in each case, I think you can argue that Debian is modular. but the discussion in your essay will surely differ depending on where you start |
| 21:04.53 | gcosmin | peterS: cand you get me a sugestion |
| 21:05.04 | troubled | twb: someones done some reading lately? :) been through univ/college i assume? |
| 21:05.04 | peterS | gcosmin: I don't use wireless devices at all, so probably not |
| 21:05.28 | Nyle | man :( |
| 21:05.31 | gcosmin | cool |
| 21:05.40 | peterS | troubled: 'modern operating systems' by Andrew S. Tanenbaum, which is what he's talking about, is hardly an obscure book if you've been in university computer science at all |
| 21:05.50 | Nyle | except for amarok how can i test the xine engine to see if it can play mp3 files? |
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| 21:06.00 | Sconn | lordrich: well this sucks. |
| 21:06.01 | peterS | Nyle: dunno, try totem-xine |
| 21:06.02 | Nyle | install a xine player? |
| 21:06.04 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 21:06.12 | twb | troubled: I withdrew from university in 2004 when they decided CS students should have their Unix logins revoked indefinitely, because everything should be done with Windows despite all the machines being dual-boot and all the shell servers being Unix-based. |
| 21:06.12 | valdyn | Nyle: or 'xine' |
| 21:06.19 | troubled | peterS: no i havent. but I gathered as much by how detailed his response was |
| 21:06.30 | Sconn | twb: let me know if you come up with that definition. it would help greatly. |
| 21:06.34 | simonrvn | twb: !! |
| 21:06.42 | twb | Sconn: I gave you a definition |
| 21:06.50 | twb | Sconn: 07:02 <twb> "Modular OS: an OS fashioned from the loins of Gothor, the god of nose hair, by his second concubine Daphne after she caught him sleeping with a mortal woman." |
| 21:06.51 | Sconn | oh, I will scroll back and look. sorry about that |
| 21:07.00 | twb | simonrvn: exactly my reaction |
| 21:07.16 | twb | simonrvn: of course, they didn't TELL ME that this was happening until I arrived for the next semester |
| 21:07.22 | peterS | Sconn: so yeah - starting with which bits of Debian are considered "the OS", you can go from there and argue about whether those bits are modular. I think they are in all cases. but yeah you first have to figure that part out |
| 21:07.26 | troubled | twb: I cant agree more. I myself would love to go to school to learn c/c++ programming. Unfrotunately, java/c# and anything MS only in canada anywhere around me it seems. Canada has become the USA's bitch |
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| 21:07.41 | troubled | sucking on the MS cash cow tit |
| 21:08.06 | Sconn | Anyone care to make $20 via paypal? :0) |
| 21:08.07 | twb | simonrvn: they also sacked all the competent TAs and forced the staff to stop using the newsserver and simple httpds and switch to an all-in-one java-applet-requiring only-works-in-firefox web app |
| 21:08.21 | simonrvn | oh ffs |
| 21:08.36 | gcosmin | 05:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 21:08.57 | twb | So please, guys, heap scorn upon any Monash University post-2003 graduates you meet, because they will be clueless fucks unless they taught themselves out of hours. |
| 21:08.57 | troubled | twb: only works in firefox? heh, thats a first |
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| 21:09.05 | simonrvn | "becuz its eazier to uz. FUX0RZ." |
| 21:09.09 | peterS | gcosmin: well, that isn't ipw2100, it's ipw3945, but I couldn't tell you how to get that driver working in debian either |
| 21:09.17 | Nyle | ok, I have a new error now, kinda making progress. What is a demux plugin? it says there is no demuxer plugin available to handle blah. usually this means the file format was not recognized. |
| 21:09.19 | twb | troubled: well, maybe it works in Opera and IExplore, too. I wasn't going to bother finding out. |
| 21:09.20 | troubled | simonrvn: :) |
| 21:09.20 | simonrvn | *rolls eyes* |
| 21:09.36 | twb | troubled: it certainly didn't work in any of my tty browsers, nor curl nor wget nor html2ps |
| 21:09.57 | simonrvn | GET foo | html2ps ? :P |
| 21:09.57 | peterS | Nyle: demux (de-multiplex) is the step where you pull the content streams out of the file format, in this case mpeg 1, so you'd think that would live in libxine1-ffmpeg too |
| 21:10.04 | Sebboh | twb, shame on you. You can't blame your university's policies for leaving school. As an academic, you have a responsibilty to participate in your school's policy making. You should have fixed it, not left. |
| 21:10.04 | twb | simonrvn: that won't work |
| 21:10.10 | twb | simonrvn: it has frames and things |
| 21:10.23 | troubled | twb: did they do java/js? |
| 21:10.29 | Sconn | peters: the class I am taking is actually a Windows XP blows class. not debian... debian is next semester unfortunately |
| 21:10.40 | twb | troubled: because the Business faculty took control of the IT department |
| 21:10.53 | twb | troubled: and they care about money, not learning |
| 21:11.00 | Nyle | /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.1.8/xineplug_dmx_mpeg.so |
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| 21:11.02 | twb | Sebboh: yes, well. |
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| 21:11.10 | twb | Sebboh: I was ready to slit my wrists at that point |
| 21:11.13 | Nyle | peterS: maybe its not looking in the right place for the demux plugin? |
| 21:11.13 | peterS | Sconn: oh, I almost forgot: the question "is it modular" also has two meanings. one, is it modular in a technical sense; two, is it modular in the sense that end-users can swap components in and out. not always the same thing. |
| 21:11.17 | troubled | twb: why do you think I gave up on the computer industry? its a joke |
| 21:11.20 | simonrvn | twb: that's usual nowadays, unfortch |
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| 21:11.28 | twb | simonrvn: yeah, I fucking know. |
| 21:11.38 | simonrvn | sad |
| 21:11.49 | twb | MIT -- *MIT* for fuck's sake -- don't teach Scheme to undergrads now. They use Python. |
| 21:11.51 | simonrvn | !nuke microsoft |
| 21:12.08 | twb | This wasn't because the teaching staff wanted it that way |
| 21:12.10 | Nyle | !dbugs #437693 |
| 21:12.13 | dpkg | DONE:#437693:I[libxine1-ffmpeg] libxine1-ffmpeg doesn't seem to include mp3 demuxer; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:06:01 UTC |
| 21:12.16 | Nyle | mother fucker |
| 21:12.17 | Nyle | :( |
| 21:12.21 | tummyacid | can anyone point me where i could get help booting a cd with grub? my bios wont boot from cdrom but it does boot to grub |
| 21:12.26 | troubled | twb: ahh, good new^Wold Python, the language of the month |
| 21:12.31 | Sconn | peterS: okay thanks for that.. let me know though if you care to make $15 do this homework question. I hate trick questions |
| 21:12.31 | twb | They were under a lot of pressure from the non-teaching staff |
| 21:12.43 | twb | I forget what they are called |
| 21:12.56 | Sebboh | nyle, yeah that crap pissed me of a LOT the other day. |
| 21:13.19 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:13.20 | Nyle | well |
| 21:13.22 | Nyle | snapshot time |
| 21:13.22 | troubled | twb: programming languages are really just the exact same thing as the last language with 1 or 2 extra features and all the punctuation/indentation meanings mixeds around in a hat and pulled out at random to form a new language |
| 21:13.34 | twb | troubled: no, they're not. |
| 21:13.34 | Nyle | downgrade to the version of package which includes the mp3 dmux |
| 21:13.45 | Nyle | im trying to find out exactly the version i need |
| 21:13.46 | peterS | tummyacid: if your bios is not capable of booting a CD, it presumably doesn't include the extension to read CD contents, either, so I'm not sure how far grub could even get |
| 21:13.48 | wils0n | troubled : not always |
| 21:13.55 | troubled | not always, but mostly |
| 21:14.01 | twb | troubled: "new" languages are people reinventing things that they didn't learn because their university didn't teach them properly. |
| 21:14.02 | tummyacid | bummre |
| 21:14.10 | troubled | heh |
| 21:14.10 | Nyle | what do you think about this workaround? |
| 21:14.26 | Nyle | downgrade libxine1-ffmpeg to one which includes the mp3 demux lib |
| 21:14.41 | Nyle | It's not playing mp3 streams after |
| 21:14.42 | Nyle | the upgrade 1.1.7-1 -> 1.1.7-2 |
| 21:14.54 | tummyacid | well then would it be alright if i just formatted my live root partition and try to pull of a chroot install before the computer notices? |
| 21:15.06 | peterS | at one level, all programming languages are turing-complete and thus equivalent to each other. but in practical terms, there are definite families of languages that make certain tasks far easier or harder, in fundamental ways that trivial variations of a language aren't going to fix |
| 21:15.07 | Nyle | haha, what a nick |
| 21:15.09 | Nyle | tummy acid |
| 21:15.16 | Shadowcat | ok |
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| 21:15.23 | twb | Sometimes it's deliberate -- GJS stated on the record that Java was intended to trick C++ users into trying features like automatic memory management so they'd realize that they're worth the performance cost. |
| 21:15.30 | Shadowcat | is there a reason the KDE Config system refers to the repository Universe? |
| 21:15.31 | troubled | twb: personally, I think states and provinces just mix of the languages for the fun of it, and to make sure all your time spent learning java becomes useless in your area :) |
| 21:15.31 | tummyacid | hehe thankyou |
| 21:15.51 | peterS | twb: errr, who is gjs? I thought java was invented by james gosling |
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| 21:15.54 | Shadowcat | the last time I checked this wasn't ubuntu |
| 21:16.05 | twb | peterS: Guy Steele, IIRC. |
| 21:16.09 | peterS | ahh |
| 21:16.10 | Nyle | hah, nevermind, you scroll down a little on the bugreport and there is the versio info and temporary workaround |
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| 21:16.14 | troubled | peterS: did you just finish school or something? :) |
| 21:16.16 | twb | peterS: he worked on CL before he worked on Java |
| 21:16.19 | peterS | troubled: no |
| 21:16.19 | Nyle | argh i should really look a bit more before asking |
| 21:16.22 | troubled | seems awefully fresh |
| 21:16.23 | Nyle | i usually do |
| 21:16.28 | nauseaboy | Hey is there a support channel i can hit up for debian install issues? |
| 21:16.28 | peterS | twb: CL? I thought he was all about Scheme |
| 21:16.38 | twb | He did Scheme in the 70s |
| 21:16.40 | Nyle | peterS is old |
| 21:16.44 | Nyle | hes a granpa |
| 21:16.45 | Nyle | :D |
| 21:16.47 | troubled | nauseaboy: just ask plz |
| 21:16.51 | peterS | yeah but younger than either gosling or steele |
| 21:17.01 | troubled | nauseaboy: were just ranting until real questions come along... :) |
| 21:17.28 | troubled | well, rant might be a bad word for it, but you know what I mean |
| 21:17.33 | twb | "In 1994 he joined Sun Microsystems and was invited by Bill Joy to become a member of the Java team after the language had been designed, since he had a track record of writing good specifications for existing languages." |
| 21:17.38 | nauseaboy | troubled: sweet, thanks. Trying to install debian on some super legacy hardware |
| 21:17.44 | Nyle | !snapshot |
| 21:17.44 | dpkg | methinks debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 21:17.46 | twb | I guess I meant GLS |
| 21:17.55 | troubled | nauseaboy: hd problems i assume? |
| 21:18.00 | twb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Steele |
| 21:18.10 | nauseaboy | emachine 667ir, hangs everytime loading the install at "using IPI shortcut mode" |
| 21:18.32 | nauseaboy | dunno quite what it's looking for |
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| 21:18.57 | twb | http://people.csail.mit.edu/gregs/ll1-discuss-archive-html/msg04045.html |
| 21:19.06 | troubled | hmm, never heard of IPI shortcut mode myself |
| 21:19.14 | Nyle | hey i forgot the update alternative for debian sensible browser. what is it? i run kde, but i want to make iceweasel my default in kde |
| 21:19.39 | peterS | Nyle: ls /etc/alternatives/*browser* |
| 21:19.41 | twb | Nyle: x-www-browser? |
| 21:19.55 | nauseaboy | yeah me neither troubled |
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| 21:20.12 | nauseaboy | there isn't much that google can tell me |
| 21:20.14 | Nyle | x-www-browser |
| 21:20.16 | Nyle | got it thanks |
| 21:20.20 | Nyle | peterS: ahh word |
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| 21:20.44 | Nyle | i just ls /etc/alternatives |
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| 21:21.00 | troubled | nauseaboy: a google seems to suggest that IPI is related to hotswappable cpu's, but I cant confirm that with just a glimpse over the hits |
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| 21:21.26 | troubled | nauseaboy: perhaps the kernel param to disable smp on boot? |
| 21:21.39 | nauseaboy | troubled: yeah i saw that too. let me try that real quick |
| 21:21.42 | troubled | nauseaboy: "nosmp" or "noapic"? |
| 21:21.43 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:22.05 | Nyle | yeh, i forgot, problem is, iceweasel runs in a 32bit chroot, and update alternatives says only konqueror is installed obviously |
| 21:22.23 | Nyle | what could I do to set the 32bit iceweasel as system default? |
| 21:22.33 | Shadowcat | Nyle: oh you're running the AMD64 port as well? |
| 21:22.37 | Nyle | yessir |
| 21:22.41 | Shadowcat | you don't need to install a chroot just to use flash |
| 21:22.47 | Nyle | and the java plugin |
| 21:22.53 | Shadowcat | and that |
| 21:22.58 | troubled | Nyle: so how goes the 64bit world of linux? Sounds like lots of fun from what I see here :) |
| 21:23.03 | Shadowcat | you just need to install firefox32 |
| 21:23.08 | Nyle | it actually is a lot of fun man |
| 21:23.09 | peterS | the 64-bit world is just like the 32-bit world, only more so |
| 21:23.12 | Nyle | im not bored |
| 21:23.18 | Nyle | I actually have stuff to read and learn |
| 21:23.20 | Nyle | its great :) |
| 21:23.27 | Shadowcat | I went BACK to Debian Unstable from Ubuntu |
| 21:23.33 | Nyle | me too! |
| 21:23.34 | peterS | not a lot of differences you notice immediately, except with third-party non-free software not supporting your platform |
| 21:23.36 | Nyle | just like a few days ago |
| 21:23.53 | Shadowcat | the thing about Ubuntu, it's a PITA if you try and run the latest software |
| 21:23.59 | Shadowcat | and in this case, I needed KTorrent 2.2 |
| 21:24.05 | Shadowcat | and couldn't be bothered to go gentoo |
| 21:24.09 | troubled | Nyle: for sure, I wouldnt mind taking a 64 for a spin too. Curious how much of a speed diff there is for standard base system though. I assume its only good for more intensive stuff like graphics/multimedia? |
| 21:24.27 | Nyle | not much unless you're doing certain specific tasks or have a lot of memory |
| 21:24.37 | Shadowcat | troubled: the only improvement for me right now is that I can now emulate 64bit virtual machines |
| 21:24.43 | Shadowcat | which before was A BITCH |
| 21:24.43 | dutchfish | 64bit rocks on quads |
| 21:24.56 | peterS | yeah it's nice if you think you'll get more than a couple gigs of memory, you can do it without worrying about the overhead of the horrible hack you use on 32-bit machines to go over 4 GB |
| 21:25.01 | Nyle | for complex cpu instructions, compiling software and video transcoding 64bit is very good, or if you have more than 2-3gb or ram |
| 21:25.04 | Nyle | of* |
| 21:25.04 | troubled | well, not like many of us had 4gig in 32bit either, but still, would be interesting to see how much better something like blender performs in 64 |
| 21:25.15 | Nyle | otherwise its maybe less than 10% speed increase |
| 21:25.24 | Nyle | but it seems like almost twice as fast |
| 21:25.35 | dutchfish | troubled, not to mention the 3.2 limit quirck |
| 21:25.39 | Nyle | cuz its psychological.ooooh 64bits yummy its twice as fast now wheeeeee |
| 21:25.50 | troubled | dutchfish: 3.2 limit? |
| 21:25.53 | twb | I don't perceive ANY speed up on AMD64 vs. IA32 architecture on my Sempron system. |
| 21:25.55 | nauseaboy | troubled: hrm, choked again for both params |
| 21:26.08 | peterS | this is like how the Sound Blaster AWE64 sounded twice as good as the Sound Blaster AWE 32? |
| 21:26.13 | dutchfish | troubled, the reservations for vidoe mem etc |
| 21:26.29 | Nyle | twb: i have a 90% overclocked core 2 duo cpu, and etch amd64 was very buggy, but unstable is way more stable |
| 21:26.30 | dutchfish | troubled, thats gone in 64bit |
| 21:26.32 | troubled | nauseaboy: and this is the stock install cd kernel too right? is it etch? or some beta d-i cd? |
| 21:26.32 | Nyle | ehehe |
| 21:26.43 | krisp | hey guys - I'm an etch noob |
| 21:26.45 | krisp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.53 | krisp | now I was thinking it might be firewall related |
| 21:26.56 | nauseaboy | troubled: this is etch. |
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| 21:27.04 | krisp | but I don't know how to find out if I'm running a firewall! :) ? |
| 21:27.06 | xingu | Nyle: if your workload triggers register spills in a critical section in ia32, adding a few more of the buggers can result in a few million % speedups, not 10%. |
| 21:27.26 | twb | krisp: /sbin/iptables -L |
| 21:27.26 | Nyle | xingu: true |
| 21:27.27 | peterS | krisp: yeah most likely firewall thing. are you getting failures telneting from teh same machine, or from elsewhere? |
| 21:28.01 | krisp | same and elsewhere |
| 21:28.04 | Nyle | xingu: keep in mind I am a total newb with amd64 |
| 21:28.13 | Nyle | I try to read and understand of course |
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| 21:28.20 | twb | gzip, for example, is faster on IA32 than AMD64 because it contains hand-optimized assembly code only on the IA32 platform. |
| 21:28.23 | nauseaboy | i'm taking a look at kernel-parameters.txt now |
| 21:28.26 | krisp | so how do I find out if I'm running a firewall ? |
| 21:28.35 | krisp | I ran that command nd it's just saying target a few times :) |
| 21:28.44 | peterS | krisp: if you've got a new install, you aren't running a firewall |
| 21:28.45 | twb | krisp: then you have no firewall. |
| 21:28.55 | troubled | nauseaboy: the kernel isnt panicingis it? just not doing anything after that line? |
| 21:29.10 | peterS | krisp: so uh ... do you see a '0.0.0.0:25' anywhere in the output of "netstat -tln"? |
| 21:29.18 | peterS | krisp: as in, 'netstat -tln | grep :25' |
| 21:29.19 | krisp | then why would I be getting connection refused on the smtp port? |
| 21:29.22 | twb | I am *really* not getting this shite. |
| 21:29.32 | twb | I have an .iso. It boots in qemu. |
| 21:29.45 | krisp | petemc that returns nothing |
| 21:29.51 | twb | I burn it to a DVD (it's a large iso) and the BIOS says it has no boot record |
| 21:30.02 | peterS | krisp: so postfix isn't running then. that explains why you get a connection refused |
| 21:30.04 | nauseaboy | troubled: yeah no panic, just chokes at that line |
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| 21:30.22 | dutchfish | when i PXE boot with / at an NFS export i get i/o erros the first 30 seconds, then they disappear, how come? |
| 21:30.32 | peterS | krisp: try '/etc/init.d/postfix start', it will either start or it will produce errors in syslog or something |
| 21:30.42 | twb | dutchfish: what boot=foo are you using? |
| 21:30.44 | Shadowcat | jeez |
| 21:30.45 | nauseaboy | but i just got it to move past that using nolapic, and then it choked at "Time: tsc clocksource has been installed" lol |
| 21:30.53 | troubled | nauseaboy: well, the dmesg im looking at now seems to do the fs mounts/checks next. curious if thats the actual problem |
| 21:30.54 | krisp | ewww |
| 21:30.57 | dutchfish | twb, boot is in root |
| 21:30.58 | Shadowcat | I'm gonna kill the guy who coded this |
| 21:31.05 | twb | dutchfish: what? |
| 21:31.12 | dutchfish | twb, or you mean the bootloader/ |
| 21:31.21 | twb | dutchfish: I mean the kernel parameter |
| 21:31.33 | dutchfish | twb, let me look for a sec, hold on |
| 21:31.46 | krisp | oh no - this sucks - |
| 21:33.04 | nauseaboy | which is literally the next line, hilariously |
| 21:33.04 | troubled | nauseaboy: well, if I got the TLA correct, IPI seems to be Inter-process Interrupt, used in smp systems for things like cache sync |
| 21:33.20 | dutchfish | twb, 1stline: kernel vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 21:33.23 | troubled | what is the next line now? |
| 21:33.37 | dutchfish | twb 2nd: append vga=normal initrd=initrd.img-2.6.18-5-686 ramdisk_size=24332 root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.2.30:/pxeroot/01-00-02-3f-bd-b0-5f rw -- |
| 21:33.39 | troubled | nauseaboy: you mean nolapic got you 1 line further? |
| 21:33.50 | nauseaboy | troubled: Yep. |
| 21:34.04 | nauseaboy | "Time: tsc clocksource has been installed" |
| 21:34.10 | dutchfish | twb, as an example |
| 21:34.33 | twb | dutchfish: you need boot=nfs |
| 21:34.47 | dutchfish | twb, in the append line? |
| 21:34.50 | twb | Yes. |
| 21:35.01 | twb | You also need to export /pxeroot/<MAC> with rw,no_root_squash |
| 21:35.01 | dutchfish | twb, ok, didnt know that, thx! |
| 21:35.05 | troubled | nauseaboy: curious, when you tried those options, did you try the nosmp by itself? |
| 21:35.06 | twb | !thx |
| 21:35.06 | dpkg | THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks" |
| 21:35.46 | nauseaboy | troubled: Yeah, and it hung at the same IPI shortcut line |
| 21:36.11 | dutchfish | twb, strange that it still does work without the boot=nfs option |
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| 21:36.44 | twb | dutchfish: I assume you are using an initramfs ramdisk |
| 21:36.44 | troubled | nauseaboy: it seems the tsc should be ok though. smp wouldnt use it from what im reading and would use hpet instead for timing. not sure why its stopping there though *shrug* |
| 21:36.52 | dutchfish | twb, yup |
| 21:37.39 | twb | dutchfish: what is the error you see? |
| 21:37.40 | dutchfish | twb, its blazingly fast after i changed it, wow ...thanks |
| 21:37.53 | nauseaboy | troubled: yar, definately spooky |
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| 21:38.29 | lindylex | Hello all |
| 21:38.38 | dutchfish | twb, error is (was) can not connect to nfs server i/o ... |
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| 21:39.01 | twb | dutchfish: what did you change? |
| 21:39.08 | twb | dutchfish: it is working now? |
| 21:39.13 | peterS | hey, it's the bal dancer guy |
| 21:39.19 | dutchfish | twb, the boot=nfs |
| 21:39.26 | dutchfish | twb, yes, and fast too |
| 21:39.30 | twb | OK |
| 21:40.20 | dutchfish | twb, booting to gnome graphical logon popup from powerup = ~ 12 secs |
| 21:40.31 | Nyle | !fixmissing |
| 21:40.32 | troubled | nauseaboy: i assume you aren't in any position to compile a test kernel geared to the system to boot? |
| 21:40.34 | lindylex | has anyone succefully install ntfs-con fig? I installed it using Synaptic and I even tried the .deb file but I have a depenadcet problem. It needs libc6 >= 2.6 |
| 21:40.45 | Nyle | argh |
| 21:40.49 | Nyle | !confmiss |
| 21:40.50 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 21:40.51 | Nyle | doh |
| 21:41.31 | lindylex | I can not install this using aptitude because it points to stable repositry which contains a lower libc6 |
| 21:42.14 | nauseaboy | troubled: to be honest i've never compiled one before, to be honest. But i'm willing to try |
| 21:42.25 | peterS | lindylex: whoever built that package apparently did it on debian unstable, and didn't mean for it to be used on stable. it may be that just recompiling from source on your stable machine will be fine |
| 21:42.30 | jelly-home | lindylex: why are you trying to install a package for testing/unstable on a stable system? |
| 21:43.14 | nauseaboy | troubled: just got it |
| 21:43.18 | lindylex | i need to enable read and write for my external ntfs hard drive |
| 21:43.55 | nauseaboy | acpi=off instead of noacpi |
| 21:44.09 | lindylex | Peters: Recompile from source? |
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| 21:44.15 | troubled | nauseaboy: well, if you havent, they what i was going to suggest might not be for you :) but if you could install into say a vmware machine and compile one and boot it to test, you could just replace the boot cd kernel with your custom one. but its probably quicker to just find a kernel param to work |
| 21:44.19 | jelly-home | lindylex: that would be ntfs-3g, then? |
| 21:44.25 | peterS | lindylex: right, you probably do want the ntfs-3g package, which isn't available on stable. you can get it from backports.org - see http://packages.debian.org/ntfs-3g |
| 21:44.46 | nauseaboy | troubled: thanks for your help, I just got the installer to load |
| 21:44.50 | lindylex | i installed ntfs-3g that was easy |
| 21:44.54 | nauseaboy | seems to be chugging along now |
| 21:44.58 | troubled | nauseaboy: ah, gratz |
| 21:45.07 | lindylex | but external device do not enable write support |
| 21:45.18 | dutchfish | lindylex, dotn use it on vista |
| 21:45.18 | lindylex | etc/mtab loads them with the wrong drive |
| 21:45.32 | lindylex | I don't use Vista |
| 21:45.37 | troubled | nauseaboy: old bios i guess or it was disabled |
| 21:45.43 | jelly-home | lindylex: how are you mounting your drive? |
| 21:45.46 | nauseaboy | super old |
| 21:45.54 | nauseaboy | thing is from 1999 or something |
| 21:45.55 | lindylex | External case threw usb |
| 21:46.14 | jelly-home | lindylex: what command are you using to mount the partition? |
| 21:46.33 | lindylex | it mounts dynamically. i don't need to type anything |
| 21:46.33 | troubled | nauseaboy: thanks for sharing though, im sure it wont be the first time i run into that. although that one option does seem to more often than not be the culprit now that i think of it from other people |
| 21:46.47 | troubled | nauseaboy: lukily, my systems have always seemed to "just work" |
| 21:47.02 | nauseaboy | yeah i think once you get the kernel up |
| 21:47.05 | dutchfish | !automount |
| 21:47.05 | dpkg | if you are a gnome user ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, otherwise ask me about <ivman> or <autofs> |
| 21:47.07 | nauseaboy | the rest is pretty cake |
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| 21:47.21 | jelly-home | lindylex: you need to persuade whichever subsystem that does the mounting, to use ntfs-3g |
| 21:47.30 | troubled | ive never had to specify the apic related options myself thank god |
| 21:47.31 | xingu | nauseaboy: you could probably benefit from a newer kernel; that whole section of the kernel has had major surgery since 2.6.19 and even the error message about ipi shortcut mode is now gone from the tree. |
| 21:47.33 | jelly-home | lindylex: or mount it manually |
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| 21:47.51 | xingu | nauseaboy: nb, in x86_64 on a kernel that old you want nmi_watchdog=0 too |
| 21:47.57 | gcosmin | http://pastebin.org/2486 can someone take a look please |
| 21:48.09 | lindylex | jelly-home: how do I mount it manually when it looad dynamically? |
| 21:48.23 | nauseaboy | thanks xingu |
| 21:48.39 | jelly-home | lindylex: unmount it. then do ntfs-3g /dev/sdXY /mount/point |
| 21:48.56 | nauseaboy | thats a big help actually |
| 21:48.58 | troubled | nauseaboy: so you have only apm in bios not acpi? |
| 21:49.00 | jelly-home | lindylex: you need to be in the fuse group to be able to do that |
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| 21:49.03 | xingu | nauseaboy: please do retest from scratch without the benefit of the various cmdline hacks when you get as far as testing 2.6.22 |
| 21:49.04 | Nyle | can one downgrade from sid to lenny? |
| 21:49.11 | lindylex | when I unmount it the icon remain for the device |
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| 21:49.32 | xingu | nauseaboy: both the timers setup and the apic setup stuff is seriously changed. |
| 21:49.42 | lindylex | so I don't think I am actually unmounting it |
| 21:49.53 | nauseaboy | yeah, no acpi at all troubled |
| 21:49.59 | Nyle | does the 'downgrade' factoid hold true for sid > lenny? |
| 21:50.02 | Nyle | !downgrade |
| 21:50.02 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 21:50.03 | lindylex | i read abiout fuse group |
| 21:50.25 | nauseaboy | kk xingu |
| 21:50.30 | lindylex | where in kde can you see the groups? |
| 21:50.31 | jelly-home | lindylex: the icon is of no relevance. does the partition appear in /proc/mounts or df output is important |
| 21:50.34 | lindylex | in the gui? |
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| 21:50.53 | troubled | nauseaboy: is it y2k compliant even? :) |
| 21:50.59 | gcosmin | http://pastebin.org/2486 |
| 21:51.02 | jelly-home | in gui, open a konsole then type id :-) |
| 21:51.05 | gcosmin | some help pls |
| 21:51.09 | nauseaboy | LOL troubled |
| 21:51.26 | jelly-home | Nyle: yes |
| 21:51.28 | troubled | nauseaboy: wouldnt want you to blow up your city block or anything when you get to the timezone options :) |
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| 21:52.18 | nauseaboy | haha, i can see the headline now |
| 21:52.28 | jelly-home | Nyle: basically you'd need to figure all all the package versions that are too new and force installaion of versions from lenny |
| 21:52.44 | nauseaboy | "Local Man blows up neighborhood turning dads old PC into debian Fileserver" |
| 21:52.54 | amphi | heh |
| 21:53.08 | xingu | "neighbours unsurprised - say he always was the quiet sort" |
| 21:53.10 | nauseaboy | "Microsoft says 'I Told you So'" |
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| 21:53.25 | xingu | "sco sue claim patent infringed" |
| 21:53.33 | nauseaboy | LOL xingu |
| 21:53.35 | AfterDeath | old |
| 21:53.46 | peterS | "I told him to buy server class hardware, he insisted an overclocked consumer motherboard 'would run debian just fine'" |
| 21:54.21 | troubled | heh, that reminds me of that old slashdot factoid... |
| 21:54.24 | troubled | !slashdott |
| 21:54.24 | dpkg | Slashdott Headline (10 shown): Horizontal elevator plans scrapped ;; Masturbation proven to cure cancer! ;; Small nuclear reaction from mixing Coke & Pepsi kills 3 ;; GAMP taking the world by storm ;; Bin Laden uses AOL ;; 486 Overclocked to 2.1Ghz ;; Overclockers causing global warming? ;; Canada invades U.S.A. ;; Microsoft buys Earth for $6.8 trillion ;; Top 10 Top 10 lists. |
| 21:54.27 | jelly-home | "jack thompson blames video game violence" |
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| 21:55.04 | troubled | hmm, thought there was a "overclocker creates tear in space-time fabric" or similar |
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| 21:55.14 | nauseaboy | wow this is ironic, hard drive is listed as "Quantum FIREBALL" not even joking |
| 21:55.22 | xingu | "daley thompson blames irn bru" |
| 21:55.24 | peterS | no, that'd be a real slashdot headline, not the fake one |
| 21:56.01 | xingu | peterS: I note that theonion has never spoofed slashdot. |
| 21:56.03 | krisp | hey guys - i tried deleting everything in/etc/postfix - is there any way to restore this ? I need a postfix-script file back ! :) |
| 21:56.16 | xingu | peterS: now that really would tear a hole in the space/time continuum |
| 21:56.25 | peterS | xingu: at some point it becomes hard to produce a parody more outrageous than the original |
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| 21:56.54 | peterS | krisp: no - except to reinstall the packages. '/msg dpkg confmiss' I think gives clues there |
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| 21:57.49 | xaque | How can I completely erase a hard drive? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda ? |
| 21:57.52 | peterS | krisp: if you're asking a generic question about undelete, it is not practical with today's filesystems and tools |
| 21:57.56 | krisp | reinstalling the packages doesn'y seem to replace that conf file :( |
| 21:58.01 | peterS | xaque: that or cp /dev/zero /dev/hda |
| 21:58.08 | krisp | and no it's not a generic one :( |
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| 21:58.31 | peterS | krisp: this is why I told you about dpkg's confmiss answer. it tells you how to get your config files back with a reinstall |
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| 21:59.13 | peterS | xaque: if your enemies have $10000+ and want to spend it recovering your data after you sell your drive on ebay, it is better to overwrite the disk with random contents, about 7 times. if you don't think your data is worth that kind of money to get back, just /dev/zero is fine. |
| 21:59.22 | krisp | thanks petemc |
| 21:59.26 | krisp | thanks peterS |
| 21:59.31 | Nyle | does apt-get have a hold package function or do i have to manually pin the version #? I know aptitude has a hold package flag, but not sure about apt-get |
| 21:59.39 | petemc | np |
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| 22:00.04 | xingu | !tell xaque about dban |
| 22:00.20 | Knorrie | !hold |
| 22:00.20 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 22:00.21 | troubled | petemc: 7 times only? heck, let it run on urandom for a few weeks :) |
| 22:00.31 | Knorrie | Nyle: you can do it with dpkg oo |
| 22:00.33 | Knorrie | too |
| 22:00.37 | peterS | troubled: wasting power and generating heat and noise that whole time? meh. |
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| 22:00.48 | Nyle | thank you |
| 22:00.59 | xingu | peterS: wasting precious entropy too :) |
| 22:01.05 | troubled | heh |
| 22:01.06 | Knorrie | Nyle: aptitude uses dpkg 'under water' |
| 22:01.06 | method_ | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=482017&in_page_id=1770 |
| 22:01.12 | troubled | xingu: geek... :p |
| 22:01.20 | peterS | xingu: thanks to the laws of thermodynamics, we won't run short on _that_ for some time |
| 22:01.33 | Nyle | is there a way to reload .bashrc without havingto relogin |
| 22:01.39 | peterS | Nyle: source ~/.bashrc |
| 22:01.48 | Nyle | ah |
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| 22:01.52 | Vulto | Do debian modify the kernel or just copies the kernel in kernel.org ? If it modifies, where can I read about its changes ? |
| 22:01.53 | peterS | Nyle: where source is a bash alias for the "." command found in other shells |
| 22:02.01 | troubled | peterS: heh, reminds me of the simpsons. "Lisa, in this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!" |
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| 22:02.03 | Nyle | i remember putting that in bash profile |
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| 22:02.12 | Nyle | !bashrc |
| 22:02.12 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. |
| 22:02.23 | Nyle | there it is,thanks peter |
| 22:02.24 | Nyle | s |
| 22:02.26 | Nyle | peterS: |
| 22:02.26 | Knorrie | Nyle: that re-executed the commands in bashrc, so when you remove lines in it, the effect wont be undone after calling .bashrc again |
| 22:02.39 | abrotman | Vulto: modify it |
| 22:02.40 | peterS | Vulto: the debian kernel team patches the kernel somewhat, though not as much as some distributions have historically done. you might look in the changelog for any linux-image-2.6.xx-yyy package |
| 22:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Vulto, modifies, README.Debian in the kernel package, i guess |
| 22:03.17 | abrotman | changelog |
| 22:03.20 | krisp | peterS based on that I've just tried running 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install postfix-mysql' - but it still doens't seem to replace that missing file - have I done something incorrect ? |
| 22:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | slow typer with one hand :( |
| 22:03.37 | Vulto | Thanks |
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| 22:04.00 | peterS | krisp: dunno, that seems about right to me. you can always just try 'dpkg --purge postfix-mysql' followed by 'apt-get install postfix-mysql', if you want. the first might require --force-depends if something depends on it |
| 22:04.24 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: /nick CutMeOwnHandOff ? |
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| 22:04.37 | lordrich | krisp: postfix-script is provided by postfix, not postfix-mysql |
| 22:04.43 | krisp | ah ha |
| 22:05.22 | krisp | lol - even using that command throws up an error... |
| 22:05.22 | krisp | :( |
| 22:05.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, nope, just still busy |
| 22:05.33 | krisp | brb |
| 22:06.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, and it's more figuratively |
| 22:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell peterS about dibbler |
| 22:06.27 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm well aware of who CMOT is. in some books he goes by CMOHO. |
| 22:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | true |
| 22:06.42 | Nyle | word |
| 22:06.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | one, I think |
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| 22:06.59 | thanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.09 | thanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yummie |
| 22:07.23 | peterS | that might be in his incarnation of Dh'blah in that not-quite-africa setting |
| 22:07.23 | Shadowcat | that wouldn't really work |
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| 22:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's rising my standards a bit, but so what :) |
| 22:07.27 | Shadowcat | since you can't really touch me |
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| 22:07.38 | thanda | give the path to kernel build directory with KBUILD=<path> argument to make |
| 22:07.53 | Nyle | can't touch this, da nana na, da da, da nananana |
| 22:07.54 | tkooda | what's the difference between the "xen-linux-system-2.6.18-5-xen-686" and "http://packages.debian.org/xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-vserver-686" packages?? |
| 22:08.00 | Shadowcat | Nyle: google shadowcat |
| 22:08.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadowcat, face my terrible merchant-powers :) |
| 22:08.16 | Shadowcat | I can walk through walls |
| 22:08.17 | Nyle | Shadowcat: google MC HAMMER |
| 22:08.25 | Shadowcat | good luck catching me |
| 22:08.30 | thanda | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.30 | Shadowcat | yes, it's a comic book character |
| 22:08.41 | abrotman | thanda: that's not a lenny kernel |
| 22:08.42 | Nyle | he was a hip hop artist of the 80s |
| 22:08.48 | abrotman | or etch for tha tmatter |
| 22:08.52 | jelly-home | !stop |
| 22:08.53 | dpkg | PLEASE STOP! |
| 22:09.03 | jelly-home | eh, who reverted that. |
| 22:09.07 | peterS | thanda: yeah you probably need linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 22:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Shadowcat, you miss the point - I can sell *anything* - if I dont really catch you, I can still pretend and sell |
| 22:09.13 | thanda | abrotman: Sorry, it is etch. |
| 22:09.20 | abrotman | thanda: your kernel is out of date |
| 22:09.25 | Nyle | juvenile |
| 22:09.29 | Nyle | move on please |
| 22:09.38 | peterS | yeah, 2.6.18-4-* became 2.6.18-5-* at some point after the initial etch release |
| 22:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, stop, in the name of love, stop before you break my heart? |
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| 22:10.04 | jelly-home | nevermind |
| 22:10.15 | peterS | /kick CutMeOwnThroat Connection reset by bad pop |
| 22:10.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:10.32 | abrotman | pop ? |
| 22:10.39 | thanda | abrotman: I have no other way to get into internet, I need to compile ndiswrapper |
| 22:10.53 | peterS | I dunno, does that qualify as motown? |
| 22:11.04 | abrotman | !find 2.6.18-5-amd64/build etch |
| 22:11.07 | abrotman | peterS: yes |
| 22:11.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of '2.6.18-5-amd64/build' (2): (/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-amd64/build) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-amd64 ;; (/usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64/buildinfo.gz) in admin/linux-image-2.6.18-5-amd64. |
| 22:11.21 | abrotman | thanda: get the headers package |
| 22:11.25 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 22:11.25 | dpkg | somebody said ndiswrapper one-liner was apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 22:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, /set topic discussion about beer, women, good and bad music and what comes to mind (well, perhaps time to give some talk about debian a chance also) |
| 22:12.46 | peterS | right, that or tell people to take it to #debian-offtopic already..... |
| 22:12.49 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: there's a channel for that |
| 22:13.12 | peterS | I can never quite remember whether it's -offtopic or -ot and whether it's on this network or on irc.debian.org |
| 22:13.23 | abrotman | both |
| 22:13.24 | peterS | but that's only 4 channels to try before you find the colony |
| 22:13.31 | abrotman | and we sometimes call it #-ot for short |
| 22:13.36 | Sebboh | somebody say beer? |
| 22:13.40 | jelly-home | it's some place else, that's fo sho |
| 22:14.23 | Sebboh | oh. :( |
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| 22:15.20 | amrit | hi.. where can i find isos of the previous debian release? i'm only finding debian 4.x |
| 22:15.28 | abrotman | amrit: which do you want ? |
| 22:15.56 | amrit | abrotman: i suppose 3.0? i'd like to do some testing with whichever version of deb people are likely to have installed prior to 4.0 :) |
| 22:15.59 | troubled | abrotman: don't get me started on the #-ot again. you have any idea how many channels I.....grrr |
| 22:16.13 | Wyzard | amrit: That'd be 3.1, sarge |
| 22:16.14 | abrotman | amrit: then just sarge should be fine |
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| 22:16.41 | Coweater | amrit: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 22:16.54 | amrit | ahh, ok. sarge sounds familiar :) |
| 22:16.56 | abrotman | sarge isn't in the archive yet |
| 22:17.17 | amrit | hm, yeah, not listed. where might i find it? |
| 22:17.20 | amrit | the mirrors i checked only have 4 |
| 22:17.35 | abrotman | check more of them .. i've found it before |
| 22:17.57 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 22:18.20 | Sebboh | it sucks that they used 'buzz' so early. ;) |
| 22:18.21 | amrit | perfect |
| 22:18.40 | amrit | haha, i like the blink/marquee warning there. awesome. |
| 22:19.59 | amrit | thanks folks. rsyncing away. |
| 22:20.22 | peterS | Sebboh: buzz was the star of the show, it makes sense to use him first |
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| 22:20.48 | abrotman | peterS: so was woody .. used much later |
| 22:21.04 | Sebboh | Buzz should be the uber version. :P |
| 22:21.11 | peterS | I suppose you're right. I never saw Toy Story, just its first sequel |
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| 22:21.24 | nauseaboy | whose the next one their using? |
| 22:21.27 | mutilator | there a package for proftpd that includes mod_auth_file |
| 22:21.28 | mutilator | ? |
| 22:21.29 | nauseaboy | lenny? |
| 22:21.30 | peterS | nauseaboy: lenny |
| 22:21.36 | nauseaboy | thats right |
| 22:21.55 | nauseaboy | and sid will always be unstable |
| 22:22.00 | peterS | lenny is the last of the toy story characters that they want to use. who knows where the name scheme will branch off next. |
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| 22:22.24 | peterS | (there is another character, buggy, which they could use. but for some reason the release managers don't want to have to explain why debian is called buggy.) |
| 22:22.36 | nauseaboy | lol |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | there's actually a few more |
| 22:22.52 | krisp-athome | hiya peterS thanks for your help earlier - but I haven't been able to get that file restored - any other ideas ? |
| 22:22.53 | peterS | yeah but not with speaking parts |
| 22:22.58 | Wyzard | peterS: hmm... I thought that character was known as "RC" (which would also be a poor name, for similar reasons) |
| 22:23.20 | peterS | Wyzard: right, I haven't seen the movie, but I understand its name is RC Buggy, which in a debian context means there are release-critical bugs |
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| 22:24.01 | Sebboh | or release canditate. |
| 22:24.13 | Sebboh | only spelled correctly. |
| 22:24.18 | peterS | no, RC in debian release management always means release-critical (bug) |
| 22:24.38 | peterS | well, almost always |
| 22:24.58 | peterS | it never means radio-controlled, which is what the buggy was |
| 22:25.00 | Sebboh | I think that your first caveat adequately justifies my statement. ;) |
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| 22:25.51 | seekin | xingu are you still there? |
| 22:26.01 | Sebboh | RC's are used in java stuff and the linux kernel, right? like, you'll see 3.0rc1 .. Wait, debian does that too, don't they? |
| 22:26.09 | peterS | I'm not really interested in justifying or refuting your statement, so much as to make the point that the debian release after lenny will not be named rcbuggy. |
| 22:26.27 | Sebboh | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2005/20050323 |
| 22:26.41 | Sebboh | yeah, that would be a terrible name for a distro. :) |
| 22:26.51 | Wyzard | aww, but it'd be such a funny name :-) |
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| 22:27.04 | abrotman | yeah .. gusty guano is sooo much better |
| 22:27.06 | peterS | release candidates are used for debian-installer, which is related to the debian release, but the release team and the installer team really are two separate teams |
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| 22:27.15 | seekin | xingu you remember the kernel-dyntick thing? :) i modified the kernel the way you told me but the cpu works now at 97% with 2 processes running. thats horrible :) |
| 22:27.20 | Wyzard | Actually, it'd be a good name for unstable, if that wasn't already called "sid" |
| 22:27.21 | peterS | guano indeed. sneaky abrotman. |
| 22:27.28 | xingu | seekin: that's good! :) |
| 22:27.35 | xingu | seekin: it means its doing something. |
| 22:28.04 | Sebboh | hmm, it would be a very good name for sid. ..But sid is already a good name, if you've seen the movie. |
| 22:28.07 | seekin | xingu that means i can only run 2 of the 6 needed processes and thats not good :) |
| 22:28.11 | Wyzard | I know |
| 22:28.20 | Wyzard | but "rcbuggy" would be a great name too |
| 22:28.24 | peterS | if it's doing something, that's more than I can say for myself, or most people here now.... |
| 22:28.29 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe experimental could use a real name :-) |
| 22:28.36 | xingu | seekin: why? run all six - they should get a suitable slice each. |
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| 22:28.57 | Sebboh | heh peterS indeed |
| 22:29.14 | RvGaTe | what do i need to use to connect to a window vpn server ? |
| 22:29.18 | RvGaTe | *windows |
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| 22:30.10 | peterS | RvGaTe: depends on the VPN protocol. there are probably dozens out there. you'll have to find out which one your company is using |
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| 22:30.49 | RvGaTe | peterS, just the one you use when connecting to it using winxp pro, default settings... ? |
| 22:30.53 | peterS | I mean, I don't know about 'dozens', but that is the feeling I get. lots of vpn products on the market that each decided to invent their own protocol |
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| 22:31.24 | seekin | xingu but when the cpu is already at 95%, how could there be the possibility that it can calculate 4 more? |
| 22:31.28 | xingu | peterS: and they all call it "ipsec" ;) |
| 22:31.38 | peterS | xingu: no no, I mean besides that |
| 22:31.48 | peterS | RvGaTe: so you're saying there is one VPN client shipped with Windows XP Pro? I don't know what protocol that would be, possibly IPsec as that is an actual standard |
| 22:32.10 | RvGaTe | peterS, im talking about the build in vpn client... yes... |
| 22:32.12 | peterS | RvGaTe: anyway, for ipsec you want the debian openswan package, but be warned, ipsec is notoriously difficult to configure because the protocol has so many options in it |
| 22:32.17 | xand | RvGaTe: http://offog.org/kentservices.html#h1 <-- something like that |
| 22:32.22 | xingu | seekin: it's running at 95% because there's work to do and it's doing it. |
| 22:32.27 | xand | windows vpn is pptp |
| 22:32.37 | peterS | oh dear, pptp? even in XP? |
| 22:32.45 | xand | yes... |
| 22:32.55 | xingu | seekin: more processes, still 95%, fewer cpu minutes per process. |
| 22:32.56 | seekin | xingu so how could it do 200% more work if its already overflown? |
| 22:33.27 | xingu | seekin: it's not *overflown* - here's a question that will answer yours; when will your cpu-bound process finish? |
| 22:33.27 | seekin | xingu i think i understand now.. |
| 22:33.28 | Wyzard | I've heard of some "MSCHAP" non-standard authentication protocol that people had to compile custom patched kernels to support... that might be related to Microsoft's VPN thing too |
| 22:33.32 | peterS | I thought pptp was discredited before XP came out. anyway - don't know if we have a pptp client in debian |
| 22:33.43 | xand | there is one, as I use it |
| 22:33.47 | xand | works just fine |
| 22:33.51 | seekin | xingu it will run as long as i tell him not to stop |
| 22:34.05 | xingu | seekin: right; so there's always work to do, right? |
| 22:34.07 | abrotman | peterS: oddly .. windows was discredited before XP came out ... |
| 22:34.16 | peterS | abrotman: yeah but XP made it all better |
| 22:34.16 | seekin | xingu right... |
| 22:34.18 | xand | it's in the pptp-linux package |
| 22:34.28 | xand | peterS: XP isn't the vpn server, it's the client... |
| 22:34.38 | xingu | seekin: so because there's always work to do, the cpu will always schedule work; and so it will always be busy. |
| 22:34.50 | xingu | seekin: for your application, if the cpu is less than 100%, there's a bottleneck |
| 22:34.50 | peterS | xand: I understand he wants a client to work with a vpn already set up at his workplace or whatever |
| 22:35.09 | xingu | seekin: what you *should* observe, is that the rate at which you're now issuing completed frames has shot up drastically |
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| 22:35.53 | xingu | seekin: previously, your box was running mostly comatose waiting an eternity between loops to fire a single completed result out the NIC |
| 22:35.56 | peterS | if you have control over the clients and the server, it is said that openvpn is the way to go nowadays |
| 22:36.08 | peterS | but of course if you don't control all the systems, you don't always get to decide such things |
| 22:36.20 | xingu | seekin: now, it's running full pelt because the NIC itself is taking care of the TX end of things (to the CPU, it's just become an infinitely empty bucket) |
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| 22:36.29 | seekin | xingu fascinating... i understand.... thats an very good way to handle "work to do" :) |
| 22:37.00 | seekin | xingu do as much as possible :) |
| 22:37.06 | xingu | seekin: exactly. |
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| 22:37.17 | seekin | xingu very interesting |
| 22:37.49 | xingu | seekin: and now if you dwell on this concept a little more you'll see why I'm telling you to get that loop rewritten into two halves; one halve to do the computation; and another half to do the packet processing |
| 22:37.59 | peterS | idle CPU is wasted CPU. though it also is lower power consumption, which is important for laptops and datacenters. |
| 22:38.11 | xingu | seekin: the second half should start/stop the first half when there's slots free to transmit in |
| 22:38.15 | seekin | xingu and if i now would start 10 other processes, they wont stress the cpu like hell and the system will nearly freeze, the processes will just get smaller cputime |
| 22:38.21 | xingu | seekin: precisely |
| 22:38.39 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 22:38.42 | seekin | xingu delicious :) |
| 22:38.54 | peterS | seekin: well, if you don't run out of memory - depends on how much memory these 10 processes will need, and how much you have. if you run out of memory, everything slows down drastically |
| 22:39.03 | xingu | seekin: if you do get that loop rewritten, you can fold in *fun* things as well; like say monitor thermal core temp; and start/stop computation based on how hot you are literally. |
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| 22:40.08 | xingu | seekin: if your netio thread-group is "pulling" your computation thread-group - obviously your computation thread-group can now snooze when there's *no point* doing any work (ie, your network is congested) |
| 22:41.26 | seekin | xingu i had no idea what dynticks are... i was so lost :) |
| 22:42.04 | xingu | seekin: mostly, this is due to NAPI; dynticks is good, but for other reasons |
| 22:42.06 | seekin | xingu never saw the need to let ticks be dynamic |
| 22:42.14 | peterS | I want to have just enough little breath mints available at all times, but not a steady supply of them. does that mean I need dyntictacs? |
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| 22:42.54 | asarch | Hey guys, what is the maximum file size I can burn in a DVD+R single layer (4.7GB)? |
| 22:42.57 | xingu | seekin: the change in running profile is mostly because your network card is telling your application that it's good to go another spin *as soon as* the card has buffered the packet |
| 22:43.10 | abrotman | asarch: sounds right |
| 22:43.21 | seekin | asarch 4.7gb |
| 22:43.26 | xingu | seekin: dynticks just means that you have no timer tick interrupt; so you spend more time working in userland and almost no time working in kernel context |
| 22:43.29 | kspath | abrotman: hello |
| 22:43.36 | Tobsan | hello, where should i put a script that i want to be run everytime i boot (it's an ip-tables script) |
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| 22:43.43 | xingu | seekin: witness, 97% busy in *user* time. |
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| 22:44.03 | xingu | seekin: or whatever it is |
| 22:44.11 | abrotman | hi kspath |
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| 22:44.19 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 22:44.19 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot |
| 22:44.21 | asarch | K3B don't let me burn files over 4GB |
| 22:44.46 | xingu | seekin: every time a timer tick happens you need to run the bottom half handler for it and that means a hellaciously expensive pair of context switches |
| 22:44.49 | seekin | xingu i have to run multiple test about performance and that stuff, im very interested in the results :) |
| 22:45.01 | Tobsan | abrotman: i guess that was meant for me, thanks =) |
| 22:45.06 | asarch | I mean, if the file size is > 4GB K3B doesn't let add to the proyect |
| 22:45.08 | xingu | seekin: benchmark the rate at which you're issuing completed frames to the clients |
| 22:45.15 | xingu | seekin: that's the important metric here |
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| 22:45.29 | Wyzard | asarch: I don't think the iso9660 filesystem supports files that big |
| 22:45.29 | peterS | asarch: ISO9660 (the filesystem usually used on CD-ROM media) has a 4 GB limit on each individual file. so if you want to burn individual files bigger than that, onto a DVD, you want to make sure you're using the UDF filesystem instead |
| 22:46.04 | peterS | I don't know if k3b properly supports using UDF vs ISO-9660, but that's the reason for the limitation you're seeing, anyway |
| 22:46.32 | kspath | peterS: else split the files like the olde days on USENET ? |
| 22:46.40 | xingu | seekin: the last part of what I was on about before is getting a modern kernel and the CFS patch; because with your workload, you'll need to carefully balance things to get *fair* scheduling across each of your 6 processes particularly because you're monkeying with both nice and RT prio |
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| 22:47.12 | xingu | seekin: the in-kernel scheduler is broken under some workloads and I strongly suspect yours is close enough to hackbench or tbench to trigger it. |
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| 22:47.48 | xingu | seekin: and no there won't ever be a backport of CFS to 2.6.18, don't even go there. :) |
| 22:47.51 | peterS | kspath: sure. into 1.4 MB chunks, so people can copy their DVDs onto individual floppies if they prefer. |
| 22:48.15 | peterS | I mean, yeah, you'd need 3400 or so floppies, but whatever. |
| 22:48.28 | kspath | peterS: or if some do not have DVD split so it fits on CDRs and recombine |
| 22:49.24 | kspath | peterS: or if a file were 9.7GB you could split it to fit on CD or DVD |
| 22:49.33 | SoulDrift | Hey guys, I'm confused about which signing key I should be trusting for Debian Etch Volatile: The repository tells me I need key 7EF7FFF4276981F4, but volatile.debian.org tells me I need BBE55AB3. Which one of these is correct? |
| 22:49.36 | peterS | xingu: wait, linux supports TSO nowadays? |
| 22:49.52 | abrotman | SoulDrift: get them both ? |
| 22:49.55 | xingu | peterS: ethtool has some fun new options |
| 22:50.18 | peterS | xingu: this isn't about ethtool, it's about whether a the kernel TCP stack and Ethernet drivers support this |
| 22:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | SoulDrift, the one that works? :) |
| 22:50.36 | peterS | xingu: or am I confusing TSO with TOE? |
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| 22:50.38 | xingu | peterS: yep, and they do, and have done for a while; hence the push to NAPI-ify everything. |
| 22:50.43 | xingu | peterS: probably |
| 22:50.46 | spacemnky | what is the apt-get for gnome? |
| 22:50.46 | peterS | NAPI is useful beyond TSO |
| 22:50.51 | peterS | spacemnky: gnome |
| 22:50.53 | SoulDrift | Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of having them signed? Trusting that they came from the right place? |
| 22:51.09 | spacemnky | couldnt find package |
| 22:51.21 | xingu | peterS: TOE is another layer up again; but the IPoIB guys are pretty close there too. |
| 22:51.30 | abrotman | spacemnky: which version of debian ? |
| 22:51.34 | spacemnky | 4 |
| 22:51.36 | xingu | peterS: 64kB MTU anyone? :) |
| 22:51.37 | peterS | spacemnky: odd, a metapackage named 'gnome' has been shipped with debian for at least the last 4 years |
| 22:51.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | SoulDrift, well, which source of information of the two do you distrust? |
| 22:51.44 | abrotman | spacemnky: do you have an http source ? |
| 22:51.59 | asarch | Wyzard, peterS: Thank you very much |
| 22:52.14 | peterS | xingu: 9000 ought to be enough for anyone |
| 22:52.25 | spacemnky | debian-40r0-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:52.28 | spacemnky | forget the site |
| 22:52.31 | spacemnky | it was a torrent |
| 22:52.32 | seekin | xingu right now my scheduler is Anticipatory... that wasnt a good choice, right?..... what about CFQ? |
| 22:52.40 | xingu | seekin: that's IO scheduler. |
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| 22:52.51 | seekin | xingu damn of course...... |
| 22:52.57 | xingu | seekin: we're talking process scheduling :) |
| 22:52.57 | kspath | spacemnky: apt-cache search gnome ? |
| 22:52.58 | peterS | spacemnky: right, well, apparently it never added regular debian mirrors to the sources, so all you have available is that 150 MB of the netinst ISO. |
| 22:53.00 | SoulDrift | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, I tried a few different mirrors, and they all said the packages were signed with 7EF7FFF4276981F4, but the main volatile homepage says BBE55AB3. So I surmise that they changed the key they use but didn't bother updating their homepage to reflect the change. |
| 22:53.03 | snowbird | hey does any one know socket 478 cpu's? |
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| 22:53.23 | abrotman | SoulDrift: so just get the new key |
| 22:53.26 | abrotman | snowbird: #hardware |
| 22:53.39 | peterS | spacemnky: what you need is to add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list like 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main' |
| 22:53.43 | peterS | spacemnky: then apt-get update and call it good |
| 22:53.57 | Wyzard | snowbird: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_478 |
| 22:54.11 | snowbird | does prescot over heat |
| 22:54.15 | peterS | spacemnky: see http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.etch for recommended contents of that file. recommended by me, anyway. |
| 22:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | SoulDrift, what'sa bit suspicious is, that the two keys you give have different length.... |
| 22:54.28 | abrotman | snowbird: ask #hardware .. |
| 22:54.31 | Knorrie | SoulDrift: BBE55AB3 is the one that my apt-key knows |
| 22:54.36 | SoulDrift | CutMeOwnThroat: So you're not concerned about the contradiction? Isn't the whole POINT of signing the packages so that, if they're signed with the unexpected key, alarm bells ill go off? |
| 22:54.39 | at0miku | hmm... why is debian so big? |
| 22:54.45 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: not really. just more digits. you can abbreviate a 16-digit key as the last 8 digits, if you want |
| 22:54.48 | abrotman | at0miku: lots of packages |
| 22:54.48 | at0miku | I just wanted linux with some basic stuff installed |
| 22:54.56 | at0miku | :( |
| 22:54.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, ok |
| 22:54.58 | abrotman | at0miku: so just install what you want |
| 22:55.03 | abrotman | !d-i at0miku |
| 22:55.03 | dpkg | at0miku, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the 4.0r0 installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:55.16 | at0miku | Ahh thanks abrotman |
| 22:55.17 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: the idea of specifying 16 digits is that it's closer to impossible to produce a second key with the same ID, as can occasionally happen with 8-digit key IDs |
| 22:55.22 | at0miku | oh wait |
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| 22:55.29 | at0miku | netinst CD image <-- ? |
| 22:55.36 | Wyzard | at0miku: You don't need to download all the CDs or DVDs... if you have an Internet connection available while installing, you can use the netinst |
| 22:55.42 | at0miku | Hmmm |
| 22:55.44 | Wyzard | at0miku: That'll download just what you need, as-needed |
| 22:55.46 | abrotman | !ig |
| 22:55.47 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 22:55.53 | at0miku | Alright, Thanks for the help :) |
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| 22:56.34 | ryty | at0miku: also, if you have a windows install currently, may want to look at the windows debian installer |
| 22:56.40 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: basically, it is possible to have a computer sit and generate RSA keys all day, searching for one that has an 8-digit ID that collides with some other key that you want to make mischief for. with 16 digits, this is not practical. not that it's safe to trust just the 16 digits, even in this day and age, but it's _safer_. |
| 22:56.48 | at0miku | ryty: thanks |
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| 22:57.01 | snowbird | do socket 478 have heat isue |
| 22:57.19 | Wyzard | snowbird: The socket itself certainly doesn't overheat |
| 22:57.20 | abrotman | snowbird: ask #hardware .. this isn't the channel for that |
| 22:57.28 | snowbird | ok il do that |
| 22:57.31 | seekin | xingu 2.6.20.16 .... |
| 22:57.32 | peterS | (what you really want to trust is the 32- or 40-digit key fingerprint) |
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| 22:57.45 | seekin | xingu will be a lot of stress to upgrade the kernel to that |
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| 22:58.01 | snowbird | Wyzard: ok then the mobo causes heat |
| 22:58.05 | robboplus | how do you make mysql skip rows that exist in the db while importing a backup? |
| 22:58.09 | xingu | seekin: ooold; can't you manage 2.6.23rc? :) |
| 22:58.10 | abrotman | snowbird: really .. ask #hardware |
| 22:58.23 | peterS | robboplus: not really a debian question |
| 22:58.28 | xingu | seekin: just test what you've got now before/ after |
| 22:58.30 | ryty | robboplus: ask #mysql |
| 22:58.34 | robboplus | peterS #mysql is really dead now |
| 22:58.35 | snowbird | more to ask |
| 22:58.38 | seekin | xingu i really think, the bigger the number the harder for me to get it run correctly :) |
| 22:58.48 | abrotman | snowbird: your question is offtopic here .. ask #hardware .. |
| 22:58.49 | xingu | seekin: if you have a scheduling problem, it'll be pretty apparent; you'll get unequal distribution of runtime across your processes |
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| 22:59.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | SoulDrift, well, seems to me you have the choice to either get the key that is needed for the repository to get packets from there, or not install the packets (?) |
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| 22:59.13 | xingu | seekin: the next biggest reward is recoding that damn loop already :) |
| 22:59.23 | peterS | robboplus: if I were you I'd export the same tables, then write some 5-line perl thing to remove entries from your backup file, based on the new dump |
| 22:59.24 | goetter | I'm trying to install the DAAP server package mt-daapd (with apt), which via dependencies pulls in the entire x11 infrastructure. What's the best way around this? mt-daapd obviously doesn't require the x11 system to function. |
| 22:59.25 | ryty | robboplus: a lot of times, people in #php know mysql well enough, and may be able to join you in #mysql |
| 22:59.28 | xingu | seekin: there's only so much you can do to make braindamaged design run adequately |
| 23:00.04 | xingu | peterS: I bet any modern gpu could crank through rsa keyspace pretty quickly |
| 23:00.36 | peterS | xingu: as slashdot Anonymous Coward once put it, "If you decide to build a motorcycle, and you start with a bathtub, no good will ever come of it." He was referring to Windows as a serious OS, but the point applies also to writing other code |
| 23:00.52 | Wyzard | xingu: depends on the size of the key |
| 23:00.58 | Wyzard | xingu: 2^4096 is pretty big |
| 23:01.06 | SoulDrift | CutMeOwnThroat: What I *want* is to get some kind of confirmation from the maintainers of the volatile packages as to which key is the right one, and maybe prod them into updating their page to reflect the fact :-) I'll have a look and see if theres any discussion about it on the volatile mailing list |
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| 23:01.21 | peterS | even a mere 2^768 is pretty big |
| 23:01.27 | xingu | Wyzard: that's the minimum recommended vram size for oblivion isn't it? ;) |
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| 23:01.43 | Wyzard | peterS: yeah, but I don't think 1024-bit keys are considered "safe" anymore |
| 23:01.57 | Tidus | xingu: minimum recommended vram for oblivion is 128mb |
| 23:02.01 | Wyzard | so 2^768 isn't all that big |
| 23:02.16 | peterS | Wyzard: this is because RSA keys are "sparse", they can be attacked in a lot less than 2^N space/time |
| 23:02.37 | Wyzard | ah |
| 23:02.46 | peterS | Wyzard: unlike symmetric algorithms, whose key sizes are roughly equivalent between algorithms |
| 23:02.54 | goetter | So.. anyone know how to fix the general problem of (non-gui) apt-get'd packages pulling in the x11 system? |
| 23:03.05 | abrotman | goetter: fix it ? |
| 23:03.12 | goetter | Besides shooting maintainers |
| 23:03.13 | Wyzard | peterS: Well, I suppose that's why we use key sizes like 2048 and 4096 rather than 128 and 256 |
| 23:03.20 | abrotman | goetter: paste the issue somewhere |
| 23:03.32 | Wyzard | peterS: AES256 is considered fairly strong too, I believe |
| 23:03.44 | peterS | Wyzard: exactly. and this is why elliptic curve cryptography seemed so interesting a few years ago, it promised RSA-like functionality (asymmetric / public-key) with dense keys (256 bits or whatever) |
| 23:03.46 | Wyzard | peterS: so yeah, 2^768 is big after all :-) |
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| 23:04.21 | peterS | Wyzard: right, 2^768 is huge, if it were AES or blowfish or SHA-1 or things like those. but for public key algorithms, the scale is different. |
| 23:04.34 | goetter | Doesn't need to be pasted. mt-daapd (itunes daemon) requires avahi-daemon, requires dbus (IPC system), requires libx11-6, ... death |
| 23:04.37 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 23:05.05 | digijohn | Hi; what's the preferred method to get sound working these days? |
| 23:05.10 | abrotman | goetter: it's just a library |
| 23:05.10 | digijohn | I just installed testing |
| 23:05.11 | drmitch | alsa |
| 23:05.15 | Wyzard | goetter: libx11 isn't "the X11 system", it's a small library |
| 23:05.16 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 23:05.16 | dpkg | well, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 23:05.17 | peterS | Wyzard: even so, I think 2048 bit RSA is still considered quite a bit stronger than anything else you use RSA _with_, like gpg encryption |
| 23:05.27 | goetter | libx11-6 requires x11-common |
| 23:05.28 | goetter | etc |
| 23:05.28 | digijohn | abrotman: awesome |
| 23:05.36 | abrotman | goetter: still not X11 system .. |
| 23:05.48 | Wyzard | goetter: yeah, but that's all small stuff... it's not going to pull in a whole X server, fonts, client apps, etc. |
| 23:05.51 | goetter | No? It's 18mb of packages |
| 23:05.52 | Tidus | goetter: how much of X11 is that library pulling in |
| 23:06.06 | goetter | 9compressed) |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | goetter: still not X .. is it installing any drivers ? |
| 23:06.10 | Tidus | 18mb isn't NEARLY all of X |
| 23:06.22 | goetter | Er, okay, I misphrased my question. |
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| 23:06.31 | goetter | So.. anyone know how to fix the general problem of (non-gui) apt-get'd packages pulling in 18mb of x11 libs? |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | it happens .. |
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| 23:06.49 | abrotman | they're dependencies .. if you disagree .. file a bug |
| 23:07.04 | Tidus | goetter: on my gentoo machine, gcc somehow pulled in half of X too thanks to a weird dep on gnome. |
| 23:07.12 | seekin | xingu now if i want to recompile the kernel... this process has to share his work.. can i give an higher priority to some tasks? |
| 23:07.24 | SoulDrift | CutMeOwnThroat: Problem solved -- it was my own stupid fault. I was pulling the *sarge* volatile instead of the *etch* volatile. They're signed with different keys, obviously :-) |
| 23:07.36 | digijohn | Okay, I just did the one-liner, but when I try to run alsamixer I get "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" |
| 23:07.38 | goetter | Yes, so I could beg/hound maintainers, but being the simple type, I prefer instant gratification of changing a makefile or something. |
| 23:07.39 | seekin | xingu more cputime for some processes? :) |
| 23:07.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | SoulDrift, :) |
| 23:07.42 | peterS | goetter: yeah, our dependency system is for the most part sane and solid and there are good reasons to pull in packages. but occasionally you do have to say 'wtf' at something that gets pulled in. the thing to do there is to look at the package in question, figure out why it thinks it needs to depend on whatever, and whether there is anything obvious you can do to the package to where the dep no longer is needed |
| 23:07.56 | xingu | seekin: of course; that's what nice levels are all about |
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| 23:08.29 | xingu | seekin: again, until you get CFS, you're going to be testing corner cases for the mainline scheduler with your workload, I'm warning you |
| 23:08.40 | vampirefrog | hi. I'm having trouble with alsa. When I use the default device, sound is fine, but only in 2 speakers. I have 5.1 speakers, and when I modify .asoundrc (from a tutorial) - to play 2 channel in 5.1, the sound is played in all speakers, but has artifacts. did anyone else have this trouble? |
| 23:08.55 | seekin | xingu and back to the old problem. the fast switchin pids from compile process. how to renice it? you already told me, but it was complicated and i just didnt understand :) |
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| 23:09.01 | peterS | goetter: most library dependencies nowadays are filled in by an automated process during the package build, which scans all the binaries that will be shipped, and looks at what libraries each one is linked with. this process is called 'dpkg-shlibdeps', usually used via its frontend, 'dh_shlibdeps'. |
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| 23:09.13 | xingu | seekin: start a new *shell* with the right nice level |
| 23:09.14 | rektide | how can i force logrotate to compress all the current logs? |
| 23:09.19 | xingu | seekin: run your compile from it |
| 23:09.38 | xingu | seekin: nice should be inherited |
| 23:09.42 | seekin | xingu thats not what the "screen" command i about, is it |
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| 23:09.55 | goetter | Okay; does anyone have particular experience with the dbus package, or how to get it installed without installing 18mb of x11 libs? |
| 23:09.55 | xingu | seekin: literally, nice whatever $SHELL |
| 23:10.09 | abrotman | !pal goetter |
| 23:10.32 | peterS | or you can renice the current process, $$ |
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| 23:10.41 | goetter | !pal abrotman |
| 23:10.42 | Tidus | seekin: screen allows you to have a shell you can detach and still have the programs running |
| 23:10.45 | peterS | (or renice the 'make' process, if you already have a compile running, or whatever) |
| 23:10.51 | xingu | dbus without x11 would be like a fish without a bike |
| 23:10.57 | Wyzard | goetter: dbus depends on dbus-x11, which contains the "dbus-launch" program that's used for starting the daemon, and dbus-launch needs xlibs so it can check whether there's already a running dbus daemon associated with the current X display |
| 23:11.07 | goetter | I see. |
| 23:11.17 | Wyzard | goetter: so, dbus depends on xlibs because the daemon can be associated with an X session |
| 23:11.22 | seekin | peterS the problem was, that you need to tell the PID, but while make its switching very fast ;) |
| 23:11.29 | peterS | there should be a limited version of dbus called, perhaps, dshortbus |
| 23:11.37 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 23:11.38 | xingu | dmissedbus |
| 23:11.40 | Tidus | peterS: lol |
| 23:11.49 | peterS | seekin: no, 'make' is long-running, the processes it starts are short. renice make, not gcc. |
| 23:11.53 | goetter | Yeah, so it seems the real "solution" would be for avahi-daemon to use a non-x11 edition of dbus |
| 23:11.57 | xingu | dalwaystravelsingangsoffourormorebus |
| 23:12.25 | Tidus | that made no sense |
| 23:12.28 | xingu | depends on dbus-x11 | dbus-nox11; and both conflict: with the other. |
| 23:12.42 | xingu | bts, wishlist. |
| 23:12.55 | Tidus | xingu: dtwoseaterbus |
| 23:13.05 | Wyzard | goetter: Wouldn't be worth the trouble... 18MB of harmless files is negligible on a modern computer |
| 23:13.26 | Wyzard | goetter: not worth compiling a special version of dbus that wouldn't actually behave any differently, and would just complicate the dependencies unnecessarily |
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| 23:13.35 | goetter | Perhaps; I'm trying to get this to run on a 233mhz ARM with 4mb of ram and almost as little disk space. |
| 23:13.49 | abrotman | you have 4MB of disk ? |
| 23:13.51 | peterS | goetter: a long time ago there was a similar situation for the 'svgalib' library, whose package name I cannot recall. a lot of software had an optional mode where it could use svgalib for direct graphics display on a linux console, or they could use X11 or something, and most people just used X11. so there was a svgalib-dummy package that you could depend on as an alternative, for people who really wanted to avoid ... |
| 23:13.56 | xingu | goetter: most things that can use dbus can also be told not to |
| 23:13.57 | peterS | ... installing svgalib itself. |
| 23:14.07 | Wyzard | goetter: Debian isn't really meant for embedded systems |
| 23:14.14 | goetter | alas |
| 23:14.18 | rektide | what packages are there for finding least-used and biggest-space-consuming packages that are installed? |
| 23:14.19 | tvynr | Do I have to do anything special under Debian or Linux in general to hotswap a SATA hard drive other than make sure the drive isn't in use? Or can I just pull the thing? |
| 23:14.23 | rektide | i need to free up space very bad |
| 23:14.42 | abrotman | rektide: apt-get clean ... do anything ? |
| 23:14.45 | Tidus | rektide: /var/cache/apt uses a lot of space |
| 23:14.48 | tvynr | rektide: This doesn't work with individual packages, but filelight is very good at tracking down individual files. |
| 23:14.52 | Tidus | rm -rf /var/cache/apt/*.deb |
| 23:15.03 | abrotman | uhm .. apt-get clean |
| 23:15.06 | peterS | tvynr: does your sata controller and linux sata driver support hotplugging? not all linux sata drivers do support that, it doesn't hurt to check |
| 23:15.09 | rektide | i run apt-get clean frequently |
| 23:15.09 | tvynr | rektide: I've been wanting a "this package consumes X Mb" program as well, though. |
| 23:15.15 | Tidus | i just do it by hand. |
| 23:15.23 | abrotman | Tidus: so what's the -r for ? |
| 23:15.32 | goetter | xingu: I'm sure that's true, but with debian I'm not familiar with how to tell apt packages to not use certain deps; i.e. change some make option |
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| 23:15.34 | peterS | and what's the -f for? |
| 23:15.38 | abrotman | rektide: cd / && ls | xargs du -sk .. what takes the most ? |
| 23:15.45 | abrotman | Tidus: seems to me you're just being reckless |
| 23:15.49 | Tidus | recursive in case there are .debs below /var/cache/apt |
| 23:15.52 | Tidus | and force delete |
| 23:15.53 | tvynr | peterS: Not sure how to check. It's a Silicon Image controller driven by the corresponding Linux driver. Not sure how to tell about hotplug support. But it hasn't been on any of the blacklists I've seen. |
| 23:15.55 | Tidus | haven't broken one yet |
| 23:16.35 | Tidus | lol |
| 23:16.46 | xingu | goetter: you'd need to modify the build flags in debian/rules. |
| 23:16.49 | Tidus | abrotman: i've only rm -rf / one time |
| 23:16.53 | peterS | goetter: you can edit debian/control before rebuilding the package, and remove the '${shlibs:Depends}' from the Depends: line. that is what gets automatically substituted with the libraries that are needed. |
| 23:17.01 | Wyzard | tvynr: I know from personal experience that SATA hotplug works fine on an AHCI controller, but I'm not so sure about SiI ones... I have a motherboard with an older SiI controller which definitely does not support hotplug |
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| 23:17.06 | abrotman | Tidus: right .. exactly the point |
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| 23:17.29 | Tidus | abrotman: i was very messed up on alcohol at the time and the computer was making me mad |
| 23:17.33 | Tidus | it was a deliberate wipe |
| 23:17.36 | peterS | goetter: but if there's something you can change in the build procedure in debian/rules, that's probably even better. that is the makefile that invokes 'configure' and 'make' and all that good stuff |
| 23:17.36 | abrotman | sure |
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| 23:18.04 | digijohn | grrrrrrr |
| 23:18.23 | digijohn | I've got an nvidia card, using the nv driver, and the picture on my monitor kinda shakes |
| 23:18.24 | goetter | I'm guessing there's no debian/rules option for "don't install x11 libs unless you absolutely fucking have to"? |
| 23:18.26 | peterS | tvynr: btw, for info on sata features supported by individual drivers, see http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html |
| 23:18.26 | digijohn | Know what that might be? |
| 23:18.30 | goetter | google suggests not |
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| 23:18.38 | tvynr | Wyzard: The board in question is an ASUS A8N-SLI deluxe. Do I just have to determine if it supports AHCI? |
| 23:18.49 | xingu | tvynr: nb you should use something like scsiadd to tell the kernel the device is going before it does |
| 23:18.50 | Tidus | digijohn: can you not use the binary nvidia driver? or do you not wish to? |
| 23:18.59 | Wyzard | goetter: No, use Gentoo and its USE flags if you want to be able to specify which optional features of programs should be built |
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| 23:19.52 | Wyzard | tvynr: If hotplug is properly supported, you don't need anything like scsiadd, and can literally just pull the plug (while the drive isn't in use, of course) |
| 23:20.09 | streuner | !sata faq |
| 23:20.10 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 23:20.12 | tvynr | peterS: Thanks for the link. :) |
| 23:20.17 | Wyzard | tvynr: Some other controllers support "warmplug", where you use scsiadd or whatever to tell the kernel beforehand that you're going to remove the device |
| 23:20.47 | peterS | tvynr: to determine which sata module you have loaded, assuming you only have the right one, try 'lsmod | grep ata_' |
| 23:20.54 | Tidus | Wyzard: sounds like my laptop's docking station lol... gotta tell it before hand you're yankin it |
| 23:20.58 | tvynr | xingu, Wyzard: *nods* I'd read about warmplug elsewhere. I'll take a look into the capacities of my hardware; thanks for the heads up. |
| 23:21.01 | xingu | Wyzard: always a good idea to use scsiadd regardless of how complete hotplug support is; issue being there might be commands still pending in the scsi midlayer when you yoik that cable... |
| 23:21.36 | Wyzard | xingu: then they fail; if the drive isn't mounted or in-use, they're not likely to be anything essential |
| 23:21.41 | krisp-athome | how do I stop - and then start - postfix ? |
| 23:22.00 | xingu | Wyzard: what, like flush,write-barrier? :) |
| 23:22.03 | peterS | krisp-athome: /etc/init.d/postfix stop ; /etc/init.d/postfix start |
| 23:22.07 | geo-rge | krisp-athome: how did you get postfix |
| 23:22.09 | Tidus | krisp: "sudo /etc/init.d/postfix restart" maybe? |
| 23:22.21 | xingu | Wyzard: with ncq the peripheral gets to choose what to dispatch and when |
| 23:22.26 | krisp-athome | cheers :_ |
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| 23:22.59 | Wyzard | xingu: yeah, but an idle drive is unlikely to have things like that pending for more than a second or two |
| 23:23.18 | xingu | Wyzard: heh; my god doesn't believe in your god. :) |
| 23:23.33 | Tidus | when you umount the FS stored on the drive, the kernel flushes all commands to that filesystem before unmount anyway |
| 23:23.33 | Wyzard | xingu: It's one of those things that's theoretically a problem but unlikely to be one in practice |
| 23:23.48 | xingu | Tidus: you'd like to think that wouldn't you. :) |
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| 23:23.58 | jelly-home | ... that is, until your data gets corrupted |
| 23:24.06 | geo-rge | krisp-athome: see,,, if you got it as a debian package, these other comments you got apply,,, if you built it yourself, however you arranged to start it is what would apply |
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| 23:24.14 | Wyzard | xingu: Of course it'd be a bad idea to unmount a filesystem and yank the cable half a second later |
| 23:24.37 | geo-rge | you have to wait until the unmount completes |
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| 23:24.52 | geo-rge | and it's just stupid to yank cables |
| 23:25.03 | Wyzard | plus a little longer for any queues to be flushed |
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| 23:25.23 | xingu | just use scsiadd and kill the blockdev |
| 23:25.25 | Wyzard | geo-rge: nope, it's supported by SATA, on certain controllers at least |
| 23:25.26 | geo-rge | Wyzard: when umount completes, that's done |
| 23:25.27 | peterS | doesn't hurt to adhere to the old unix admin superstition: always run 'sync' three times before powering off |
| 23:25.34 | xingu | when he comes back, there's nothing left to write |
| 23:25.41 | tvynr | peterS: The driver in question should be sata_sil; I'll go look that up. |
| 23:25.51 | tvynr | I think it's a built-in on the kernel I'm running (Knoppix). |
| 23:26.10 | Wyzard | tvynr: The controller I mentioned on which I *can't* do hotplug also uses sata_sil |
| 23:26.12 | peterS | tvynr: yeah, the table at the bottom of http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html says nice things about sata_sil |
| 23:26.22 | Wyzard | tvynr: so I'd guess that yours probably can't either |
| 23:26.22 | abrotman | nice things ? |
| 23:26.33 | geo-rge | things which are nice |
| 23:26.35 | peterS | tvynr: though of course it doesn't say what version of the linux kenrel it applies to |
| 23:26.40 | tvynr | peterS, Wyzard: Looks like mine can: "No TCQ/NCQ. Looks like a PATA controller, but with full SATA control including hotplug and PM." |
| 23:26.46 | Wyzard | hmm, interesting, that says full hotplug now |
| 23:26.55 | Wyzard | Maybe they've added support since last time I checked? |
| 23:26.59 | tvynr | Wyzard: Possible. :) |
| 23:27.04 | xingu | http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/24/58 |
| 23:27.14 | xingu | I like this guy, I'll cite him |
| 23:27.21 | tvynr | Sweet. The other chipset on that board also supports it. |
| 23:27.44 | digijohn | <Tidus> digijohn: can you not use the binary nvidia driver? or do you not wish to? <--- I had this problem before, and switching from "nvidia" to "nv" fixed it. I'm using "nv" now. |
| 23:28.13 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I can hotplug my sii based expresscard and then hotplug eSATA devices in/out. |
| 23:28.28 | tvynr | xingu: Thanks for the info. I'll bear this in mind. However, my usual case of removing one of these drives will be because it's dead. |
| 23:28.51 | xingu | tvynr: less to worry about there then. :) |
| 23:28.52 | TrueDD | good night all |
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| 23:28.59 | tvynr | xingu, peterS, Wyzard: Thanks muchly for the help! Gotta bring this box down now so I can fiddle with its hardware. Cheers! ;) |
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| 23:29.33 | intr80 | What's wrong with "mount -t swap /dev/hda1 none" ? It says none doesnt exist. :-/ |
| 23:29.49 | tvynr | intr80: Try "swapon /dev/hda1" |
| 23:29.53 | Wyzard | Looks like hotplug works halfway on that SiI controller I have... I hot-unplugged a SATA drive and it disappeared from /sys/block like it should, but when I plugged it back in again, it didn't come back |
| 23:30.01 | geo-rge | intr80: the command is swapon (man swapon for details) |
| 23:30.26 | Wyzard | That's on a SiI 3112 running kernel 2.6.20 |
| 23:30.33 | Wyzard | dunno about .22 |
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| 23:31.26 | intr80 | tvynr: awesome |
| 23:31.49 | ctcodre | hello |
| 23:32.05 | intr80 | tvynr: swapon /dev/hda1 says "Unable to find swap-space signature" :-/ |
| 23:32.13 | seekin | xingu http://people.redhat.com/mingo/cfs-scheduler/older/ |
| 23:32.14 | ctcodre | does anyone know how to install debian netinstall + kde? |
| 23:32.23 | seekin | xingu whjich one will be the right for an 2.6.21 |
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| 23:32.50 | Wyzard | intr80: mkswap |
| 23:32.54 | seekin | xingu no 2.6.21-1 or -2 or -3. just 2.6.21 |
| 23:33.00 | ryty | ctcodre: !ig |
| 23:33.02 | intr80 | Wyzard: gotcha. knew I had to init it somehow |
| 23:33.04 | ryty | !ig |
| 23:33.04 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 23:34.03 | ctcodre | !ig |
| 23:34.04 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r0 (Stable as of April 8, 2007) .. or see http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1 ... 3.1r5). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 23:35.45 | abrotman | ctcodre: aptitude install kde |
| 23:35.55 | abrotman | eh |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | ctcodre: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
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| 23:36.00 | jammaj | Anyone know how to disable ctrl-s in bash/shells? |
| 23:36.44 | kspath_ | james_w: what is the problem with it just hit ^S again ? |
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| 23:36.49 | ctcodre | so i just have to install the base system, and then aptitude blah blah? |
| 23:36.58 | lontra | ctcodre: yup |
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| 23:37.55 | ctcodre | and this will work with installgui too? |
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| 23:38.45 | lontra | ctcodre: if you install kde and xorg yest |
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| 23:38.51 | lontra | ctcodre: do as abrotman suggested |
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| 23:42.26 | Gaidin | heya greasy |
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| 23:43.41 | foug | hi two questions. I did a net install of debian just now and it automatically installed gnome, is there a way to just install kde? |
| 23:43.49 | Gaidin | yes |
| 23:43.54 | Gaidin | apt-get install kde |
| 23:44.06 | foug | second question: I installed kde afterwards and it intsalled EVERYTHING kde offers, a bunch of useless junk i don't know what it is or probably don't need it |
| 23:44.11 | foug | during installing there is no terminal |
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| 23:44.58 | Gaidin | whats the question? |
| 23:45.07 | Gaidin | 'thats a statement |
| 23:45.07 | foug | can i install kde instead of gnome during a net install? |
| 23:45.13 | lontra | foug: yes |
| 23:45.16 | foug | how? |
| 23:45.19 | lontra | foug: just don't select desktop environment |
| 23:45.21 | Knorrie | yes, do not select desktop environment |
| 23:45.24 | Knorrie | hehe |
| 23:45.26 | foug | hmmm |
| 23:45.29 | lontra | foug: you'll have to install it afterwards |
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| 23:45.39 | foug | then i'll have no gui and just use apt to install kde, and it will then boot with kde after i restart? |
| 23:45.41 | lontra | foug: you'll do aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 23:45.47 | lontra | foug: yes |
| 23:45.52 | foug | will that install just kde? |
| 23:46.01 | lontra | foug: and you can install a lighter kde ... it's like kde-base or kde-core something like that |
| 23:46.02 | geo-rge | if you have connection to the net early enough, the answer is probably |
| 23:46.03 | lontra | foug: yes |
| 23:46.14 | foug | i did apt-get install kde after installing gnome and everything else, and it installed all this crap, seriously never seen so many k------- things in my life |
| 23:46.27 | Knorrie | foug: kde is a package which only holds dependencies on other things |
| 23:46.38 | foug | i'll apt-cache search that core and base package and see what it brings up |
| 23:46.41 | Knorrie | foug: apt-cache show kde |
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| 23:47.15 | foug | i can reinstall over my current debian partition right? bought a new HD for an old comp and i'm just playing around with linux with it |
| 23:47.17 | geo-rge | but the better approach is don't select desktop environment, select whatever else you want, let the netinstall complete, it reboots, you log in and can then install anything available to you |
| 23:47.18 | lontra | foug: for a lighter kde install kde-core |
| 23:47.19 | Knorrie | foug: so you could choose only to use some of the packages/dependencies, like no kde-amusements etc |
| 23:47.38 | mudge | i just installed debian, my sound is really low, anyone have any suggestions? |
| 23:47.44 | mudge | debian looks really nice |
| 23:47.47 | foug | Knorrie: where would i do that? during the net install? didn't really see an option for that |
| 23:47.50 | Vulto | Sorry, i forgot. Where did you say that is the debian's information about what they changed in the vanilla kernel? |
| 23:47.52 | foug | mudge: alsamixer |
| 23:47.55 | foug | mudge: type that in terminal |
| 23:47.58 | Knorrie | foug: no, afterwards |
| 23:47.59 | Wyzard | mudge: Check your volume levels, with alsamixer or some GUI equivalent |
| 23:48.04 | geo-rge | mudge: crank it! |
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| 23:48.14 | foug | Knorrie: ahh ok |
| 23:48.25 | foug | Knorrie: ok thank you all, lontra you too geo-rge |
| 23:48.28 | mudge | when i type in alsamixer I get this back: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
| 23:48.34 | Knorrie | foug: the installer defaults to gnome |
| 23:48.52 | foug | ya i use ubuntu right now with gnome but i want to switch to debian with kde, so i'm testing it on an old rig before doing so |
| 23:49.05 | geo-rge | you don't have to do it during the netinstall... that kinda opens the door to installing anything you want |
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| 23:49.48 | john666 | anyone had problems with vista and its boot loader before? |
| 23:49.50 | foug | ya i only want to install what i want, i wanna learn more about linux and what apps/programs do what |
| 23:49.56 | foug | kinda like building it from scratch |
| 23:49.57 | geo-rge | whereas during the install it's more limited to certain things (collections of packages of software) |
| 23:50.01 | Vulto | abrotman, Where did you say that is the debian's information about what they changed in the kernel? |
| 23:50.13 | abrotman | in the changelog |
| 23:50.17 | biz | i want to do 'mknod /dev/kbdr_read c 56 0', however im using udev... is this the right way to create device files in this case? |
| 23:50.39 | Knorrie | biz: until you reboot, probably0 |
| 23:50.53 | geo-rge | foug: 99.9% of the power of linux is in the shell. so learn that :) |
| 23:50.59 | foug | bash? |
| 23:51.06 | geo-rge | no gui app even comes close |
| 23:51.11 | biz | and what would be the udev variant? |
| 23:51.22 | foug | ahh yes, i plan on turning it into a web server and my friend told me not to install a gui for that :P |
| 23:51.42 | Vulto | abrotman, Where is it :> |
| 23:51.52 | Knorrie | Vulto: /usr/share/doc |
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| 23:52.00 | geo-rge | well if it's a server it's going to be busy with serving... if you run a gui it will take performance away |
| 23:52.10 | fasta | With this PATH, bash and hash -r, /usr/bin/ghci existing, /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games, why doesn't executing ghci in some unrelated directory work? |
| 23:52.13 | foug | ya thats what i heard geo-rge |
| 23:52.16 | abrotman | Vulto: in /usr/share/doc/<pkgname>/ |
| 23:52.20 | geo-rge | but |
| 23:52.25 | geo-rge | that's just a guideline |
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| 23:52.37 | Vulto | For those who haven't it instlled, how would they check? I thought it would be in debian.org |
| 23:52.50 | fasta | By "not work" I mean that it isn't found. |
| 23:52.51 | geo-rge | maybe you bought a hottie box that has performance to spare |
| 23:52.59 | foug | geo-rge: can you use IM programs without a gui? what all can you do without a gui? got any guides or tutorials i can learn from? |
| 23:53.01 | Knorrie | biz: /etc/udev |
| 23:53.07 | mudge | anyone have any suggestions on debian sound? my debian sound is really low |
| 23:53.09 | geo-rge | in which case... go for it :) |
| 23:53.12 | abrotman | Vulto: packages.debian.org |
| 23:53.27 | mudge | and when i type in alsamixer, I get this: alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
| 23:53.42 | geo-rge | foug: "Learning the BASH Shell" publ by O'Reilly |
| 23:54.03 | geo-rge | the gui really is a side point |
| 23:54.20 | geo-rge | (the same is true of windows, and is not true of macos) |
| 23:54.59 | Knorrie | biz: hm /dev/.static/ also has to do with it, i really need to learn more about udev |
| 23:55.09 | geo-rge | with macos the gui is THE point and so everything in mac has a very good strong connection to the gui |
| 23:55.24 | spacemnky | i just installed gnome and ran startx but it said "cannot stat /etc/Xaa/X |
| 23:55.29 | mudge | how do find out what sound card you are using? |
| 23:55.43 | foug | geo-rge: i see, you are a smart man :) |
| 23:55.43 | Knorrie | who? |
| 23:55.57 | geo-rge | you could look at the output of lspci |
| 23:55.58 | Knorrie | mudge: lspci |
| 23:56.00 | dendrite | mudge: As in, what's installed on the system, or which of several is in use? |
| 23:56.16 | foug | geo-rge: i'm going out to a movie, i'll be playing with debian more tonight so i might ber back here. Thanks for the help |
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| 23:57.34 | mudge | how do i know which thing is the sound card? |
| 23:57.46 | mudge | ah, I found it |
| 23:57.56 | Knorrie | :) |
| 23:57.57 | mudge | HD Audio Controller |
| 23:58.04 | Knorrie | duh :) |
| 23:58.10 | geo-rge | mudge: look at the other ones too |
| 23:58.15 | geo-rge | see what they are |
| 23:58.38 | geo-rge | maybe you won't understand all of them... |
| 23:58.44 | mudge | thanks |
| 23:58.46 | Knorrie | mudge: looking at the output of `lsmod` gives you an idea of what kernel modules/drivers are loaded |
| 23:58.47 | geo-rge | but at least you will have touched them |
| 23:59.40 | mudge | cool |
| 23:59.55 | mudge | i bet soundcore is my sound driver |
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