| 00:00.11 | jetscreamer | maybe i should just /quit ... my dvd collection hasn't been growing much... i don't collect warez |
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| 00:00.38 | ironfroggy | is there some place i should find sshd logs on the server? |
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| 00:00.58 | ironfroggy | now i have to figure out why sending the key packet causes the connection to reset |
| 00:01.34 | peterS | im in ur router, RSTing ur ssh |
| 00:02.19 | peterS | ironfroggy: possibly /var/log/syslog or /var/log/auth.log, possibly |
| 00:02.52 | ironfroggy | Sep 17 23:54:50 sp1361 sshd[7717]: Received signal 15; terminating. |
| 00:03.00 | ironfroggy | thats the only thing i have on the reset connections from sshd |
| 00:03.08 | diafic | !xgl oneliner |
| 00:03.11 | diafic | !xgl |
| 00:03.11 | dpkg | i guess xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 00:03.43 | relik | hi |
| 00:03.45 | relik | small newbie question: |
| 00:03.48 | relik | can debian run with a 1.0GHz VIA C7 processor? |
| 00:03.53 | peterS | relik: certainly |
| 00:04.02 | peterS | well, I assume the C7 is compatible with the C6 and earlier |
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| 00:04.12 | relik | peterS how can i be sure? |
| 00:04.17 | sts | how can i ask the user a question when installing a package? |
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| 00:04.28 | relik | i couldn't find information online regarding this subject |
| 00:04.31 | peterS | relik: if the installer boots and installs, it's probably fine |
| 00:04.32 | sts | like calling a ncurses menu system? |
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| 00:04.51 | relik | peterS which architecture should i choose to download? |
| 00:05.01 | peterS | relik: the real questions are (a) does the CPU cause any problems the kernel needs to be aware of; (b) does the motherboard have any chips on it that the linux kernel can't deal with |
| 00:05.13 | peterS | relik: almost certainly just i386 |
| 00:05.23 | relik | ok |
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| 00:05.41 | garotosopa | Could I make some services to be loaded on demand instead of at system startup using inetd? Could someone point me somewhere describing so? |
| 00:06.44 | ArtVandalae | garotosopa: on demand? You can just disable the bootup services, and have the users start/stop the services using /etc/init.d/blah |
| 00:07.08 | fsmunoz | garotosopa: well, some of them yes... probably not a lot, but stuff like ftp and ssh it's possible |
| 00:07.09 | peterS | relik: early google hit for '"via c7" linux' doesn't seem promising - epialinux.org does not even exist.... |
| 00:07.49 | garotosopa | arturaz, can't inetd start them up on incoming connections? I'm not sure whether it's his job. |
| 00:08.06 | garotosopa | fsmunoz, I was thinking about apache 2.2, mysql 5 and postgresql 8 |
| 00:08.22 | fsmunoz | garotosopa: apache also can be started from inetd |
| 00:08.26 | ArtVandalae | relik: I think Debian should be able to run it. I know there's a Linux distro called Freepia (I *think*) that is for the Epia arch |
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| 00:08.53 | pipeline | the epia is x86 compatible; debian/i386 is your game there |
| 00:09.06 | pipeline | unfortunately epias are horrible crap CPUs :\ |
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| 00:09.11 | peterS | garotosopa: things like mysql / postgresql I don't think you want loaded on demand like that - a lot of applications consider creating a database connection to be a cheap operation, if this involves starting up a whole db engine each time, that seems unreasonable |
| 00:09.12 | ArtVandalae | :) |
| 00:09.12 | athena | hi |
| 00:10.05 | uwe1 | hi all. My debian installation doesn't have CIFS support. How do I install it? Or how do I search aptitude for packages that contain cifs? |
| 00:10.09 | ArtVandalae | I'd also recommend against starting/stopping webservers, considering that you could get 100,000s of hits in a day. If you're just looking for something light consider lighttpd |
| 00:10.10 | fsmunoz | garotosopa: most tcp services can be started by inetd, but realisticaly it's better to read the docs of each of them or search in Google for inetd configuration examples and known support |
| 00:10.18 | peterS | uwe1: I think it's mainly a matter of loading the cifs kernel module |
| 00:10.28 | athena | i'm tryingto install apt-get bcm43xx-fwcutter byt i am geeting this error http://pastebin.com/m75a2f842 can someone pls take a look ? |
| 00:10.29 | uwe1 | peterS: how do I do that? |
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| 00:10.35 | peterS | uwe1: also are you looking for client support or server support? |
| 00:10.38 | uwe1 | peterS: with modprobe? |
| 00:10.39 | ArtVandalae | uwe1: try: aptitude install smbfs? |
| 00:10.46 | peterS | uwe1: yeah but do you want client side or server side? |
| 00:10.50 | uwe1 | ArtVandalae: will do |
| 00:10.59 | uwe1 | peterS: client side |
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| 00:11.22 | garotosopa | fsmunoz, hmm I think I'm using it only for apache then. |
| 00:11.47 | grml-user | j gameblender |
| 00:11.58 | ironfroggy | could i malformed authorized_keys cause an sshd to crash on a connection? |
| 00:12.03 | peterS | uwe1: yeah, client side of cifs is indeed in the 'smbfs' package. if you specify the filesystem type correctly (mount -o cifs, etc.), you don't have to load the kernel module explicitly |
| 00:12.31 | garotosopa | peterS, I see. I'll shutdown postgresql as I don't use on a relugar basis and keep mysql started as I indeed have some jobs that expect fast connection process. Thanks. |
| 00:12.32 | peterS | ironfroggy: I sure hope not, that would represent a pretty annoying bug. but who knows |
| 00:12.37 | uwe1 | peterS: I'll get you the error message. Thanks so far. |
| 00:12.45 | athena | ? |
| 00:12.59 | ironfroggy | well as soon as this key is sent, the connection just drops. definitely not normal, but i haven't the smallest clue now. |
| 00:13.15 | ironfroggy | i had lots of things i tried the last time before i needed assistance, and now im just lost as soon as i try this protocol 2 key |
| 00:13.24 | athena | i'm tryingto install apt-get bcm43xx-fwcutter byt i am geeting this error http://pastebin.com/m75a2f842 can someone pls take a look or any ideas what to do ? |
| 00:13.28 | uwe1 | peterS: Mount error: CIFS filesystem not supported by your system |
| 00:13.39 | ironfroggy | i generated, copied the public key to authorized_keys2, and added the private key on the client. |
| 00:13.41 | peterS | ironfroggy: you might try renaming authorized_keys so sshd won't find it, then see if it still crashes or if it just asks for a password or whatever |
| 00:13.43 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:13.49 | pipeline | ironfroggy: err, it's probably not a good idea to have apache, mysql, or postgres running from inetd. |
| 00:13.56 | pipeline | ironfroggy: for one thing, you're quite likely to exceed HTTP timeouts. |
| 00:13.59 | peterS | ironfroggy: also, in this day and age, authorized_keys2 is considered a historical artifact, you can put v1 and v2 keys both in authorized_keys |
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| 00:14.08 | ironfroggy | pipeline: why are you telling me? |
| 00:14.17 | fsmunoz | athena: well, the URL that the package tries to retrieve isn't valid |
| 00:14.19 | Nyle | because he felt the need to tell you ironfroggy |
| 00:14.25 | ironfroggy | peterS: oh thats just what the docs told me |
| 00:14.29 | fsmunoz | athena: i.e. the file isn't there |
| 00:14.38 | peterS | Nyle: more like so ironfroggy could pass the word on to garotosopa |
| 00:14.46 | athena | so what do ido ? |
| 00:14.55 | Nyle | peterS: howdy |
| 00:14.56 | athena | change repoz ? |
| 00:15.00 | peterS | Noyle |
| 00:15.04 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:15.10 | peterS | it's how I pronounce stoned now |
| 00:15.14 | athena | fsmunoz: ? |
| 00:15.15 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:15.28 | Nyle | rahul: you here? or there? |
| 00:15.41 | peterS | we're all here ... because we're not all there |
| 00:15.43 | Nyle | man I tell ya, I can't wait for the new ATI drivers |
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| 00:15.48 | pipeline | ironfroggy: same name length as garotosopa, who was supposed to get my comments. |
| 00:15.54 | ArtVandalae | Nyle: roger that |
| 00:15.58 | garotosopa | pipeline, well so lets forget this inetd thing and /etc/init.d/things myself :) |
| 00:16.04 | Nyle | finally owning an ATI card might not be a bad idea |
| 00:16.05 | fsmunoz | athena: not sure really... you could try and go by hand, find the wl_apsta.o file using Google and use fwcutter on it |
| 00:16.20 | pipeline | garotosopa: that is a much better plan |
| 00:16.28 | fsmunoz | athena: following instructions in some site that deals with setting up your wireless card in Debian step by step |
| 00:16.33 | peterS | garotosopa: also keep in mind, these servers don't really eat a lot of resources so long as nobody's connected to them. even apache, which forks off a dozen children, mainly just sits there and gets swapped out if nobody ever tries to talk to port 80 |
| 00:16.37 | Nyle | I bought this card for gaming, but I already beat the games I played. I wanted to sell this, but since I heard ATI will offer good 3d/aiglx support I won't sell it |
| 00:16.41 | athena | ...? |
| 00:16.43 | fsmunoz | athena: since the automatic approach went out the window with the nad URL |
| 00:16.52 | fsmunoz | s/nad/bad/ |
| 00:17.05 | Nyle | peterS: I have an apache server to which maybe, _maybe_ 5 people connect within a given week |
| 00:17.06 | garotosopa | peterS, yeah I even reduced the numbers of children as I use it only for personal tests |
| 00:17.23 | ArtVandalae | I wonder if there's any use for XGL now that ATi will support AIGLX |
| 00:17.35 | peterS | Nyle: don't hold your breath. 3D support will have to wait for 3D specs, which have only been promised, not delivered. what was delivered was some 2D chip setup docs that make it possible to do _anything at all_ with the newest cards |
| 00:17.39 | abrotman | i thought xgl was dead awhile ago |
| 00:17.42 | ironfroggy | i tried moving the key to authorized_keys and then removing that all together |
| 00:17.46 | fsmunoz | athena: http://svit.epfl.ch/stuff/wl_apsta.o |
| 00:17.50 | athena | so i run fwcutter on wl_apsta.o ? |
| 00:17.59 | Nyle | peterS: I do not mean xorg-driver-avivo, I am talking abouty fglrx |
| 00:18.02 | ironfroggy | same thing. it seems its actually the challenge from my box that is messing it up and i haven't a clue how that ever could happen |
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| 00:18.19 | peterS | Nyle: oh, I guess I have no idea what state the non-free ati world is in at any given time |
| 00:18.23 | garotosopa | what's called that ncurses (I guess) to enable/disable scripts per runlevel? |
| 00:18.31 | relik | hello is wireless lan well suported under linux/debian? |
| 00:18.32 | ArtVandalae | abrotman: certainly dying, but people with ATi cards who want to run Compiz, etc need XGL |
| 00:18.36 | Nyle | peterS: unfortunately my X1900XT only is supported by VESA or FGLRX |
| 00:18.39 | Nyle | sad, I know |
| 00:18.39 | abrotman | relik: depends on the chipset |
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| 00:18.49 | relik | abrotman which chipset do you recommend? |
| 00:18.49 | fsmunoz | athena: http://boredklink.googlepages.com/ubuntuguide is a guide for ubuntu that will probably be similar to what you need to do in Debian |
| 00:18.52 | peterS | garotosopa: I think it's called 'apt-cache search text runlevel' |
| 00:19.00 | relik | and does it support WPA/WPA2 and WEP2? |
| 00:19.02 | abrotman | relik: depends if you want 11b or 11g (dunno about 11n) |
| 00:19.11 | relik | i have a 11b router |
| 00:19.11 | uwe1 | I cannot use MOUNT.CIFS because the "system does not support cifs filesystem". I have Etch and the complete SAMBA suite installed. please help. |
| 00:19.16 | abrotman | atheros isn't bad .. the rt2x00 is okay |
| 00:19.21 | fsmunoz | athena: yes, apparently you do and it creates files in /lib/firmware (read the link above) |
| 00:19.23 | Nyle | uwe1: mount as smbfs? |
| 00:19.25 | Nyle | maybe |
| 00:19.31 | abrotman | oh .. well .. the orinoco cards work pretty darn well .. and the drivers are in the kernel |
| 00:19.33 | peterS | Nyle: yeah but why wouldn't the kernel support cifs? |
| 00:19.41 | uwe1 | Nyle: can't... Windows 2003 Server. |
| 00:19.41 | ArtVandalae | uwe1: what command are you using? |
| 00:19.44 | Nyle | ohh |
| 00:19.50 | relik | the orinoco driver only support WEP as far as i know |
| 00:19.55 | relik | which is not secure enough |
| 00:19.58 | fsmunoz | athena: bear in mind that I'm talking about something in which I don't have direct experience,just giving pointers that seem reasonable |
| 00:20.02 | peterS | uwe1: does 'modinfo cifs' tell you anything juicy? it should, as opposed to 'could not find module' |
| 00:20.06 | Nyle | load the cifs module? maybe? I should shush, I have no idea |
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| 00:20.32 | uwe1 | ArtVandalae: mount -t cifs //winmachine/share /test -o username=user,password=pass |
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| 00:20.41 | uwe1 | peterS: thx |
| 00:20.48 | garotosopa | peterS, haha it also retunrs newbiedoc. I'd better install it too :) |
| 00:20.55 | peterS | garotosopa: definitely |
| 00:20.56 | Nyle | ArtVandalae: haha, great nickname. George Costanza |
| 00:20.57 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:21.01 | uwe1 | peterS: no module by that name found |
| 00:21.25 | peterS | uwe1: then I'm guessing you are not running a debian kernel, since I think all recent debian kernels support that module. go bother whoever you got your kernel from (: |
| 00:21.29 | uwe1 | ArtVandalae: it seems the module is not loaded |
| 00:21.41 | uwe1 | peterS: it's Etch |
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| 00:21.51 | abrotman | uwe1: cat /proc/version .. show us |
| 00:22.19 | uwe1 | peterS: 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 00:22.23 | Ice_Chief | Hey, I just installed Debian and my mouse moves extremely slow using my toshiba touchpad. I have tried chaning the speed in prefrences>mouse but that doesnt do a thing. Can anyone help? |
| 00:22.32 | abrotman | uwe1: is that an upgrade from sarge ? |
| 00:22.38 | Nyle | uwe1: you upgraded from sarge to etch and didn't get a 2.6 series kernel |
| 00:22.40 | Nyle | maybe that is why? |
| 00:22.46 | uwe1 | Nyle: ahhh |
| 00:22.51 | peterS | uwe1: so ... that's a sarge kernel. not the kernel that comes with etch. if you want to use cifs, you'll need to upgrade to a 2.6.18 kernel from etch. 'apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686' will do it |
| 00:22.53 | uwe1 | abrotman: I think it is. |
| 00:22.57 | ironfroggy | holy crap |
| 00:23.01 | ironfroggy | it was the wrong box! |
| 00:23.02 | abrotman | uwe1: try getting an etch kernel .. |
| 00:23.06 | uwe1 | abrotman: so I have to upgrade to Etch properly |
| 00:23.13 | abrotman | that'd be a good idea |
| 00:23.18 | uwe1 | apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:23.24 | peterS | uwe1: I take back what I said about all recent kernels. I forgot that sarge shipped 2.4.27, which predates the cifs module (: |
| 00:23.41 | Nyle | peterS: how come your smilies are backwards :) |
| 00:23.49 | uwe1 | peterS: mea culpa too,... .it seems I didn't upgrade propoerly |
| 00:23.57 | peterS | uwe1: you might be running etch already. you can upgrade to etch without actually upgrading your kernel. strange but true. you can get an etch kernel with the command I gave you earlier |
| 00:24.13 | uwe1 | thx peterS |
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| 00:24.26 | peterS | uwe1: the kernel does not automatically upgrade itself to newer versions, unlike other software, because of potential impact on your system and your custom drivers and such. so you didn't actually do anything wrong. |
| 00:24.56 | venger | dpkg-reconfigure will not update xorg.conf conf. It keeps complaining about no default X server configured and tells me to run dpkg-reconfigure. I think this is because i installed this system using debbootstrap sid. I see that only a stub xserver-xfree86 package is in sid repos. I was going to try and uninstall then install xfree86 to see if it would put things in place. Anyone have any ideas? This is a test system |
| 00:25.23 | uwe1 | peterS: thx.... I'll have a go :) |
| 00:25.36 | Nyle | venger: its xorg now, xfree86 is deprecated afaik |
| 00:25.47 | Nyle | venger: and its dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in sid |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | peterS: eh .. if you have the metapackage .. i think it tries |
| 00:26.07 | abrotman | venger: install xorg ? |
| 00:26.13 | Ice_Chief | Hey, I just installed Debian and my mouse moves extremely slow using my toshiba touchpad. I have tried chaning the speed in prefrences>mouse but that doesnt do a thing. Can anyone help? |
| 00:26.26 | Nyle | venger: install package xorg and try again. Keep in mind, if you manually edit your xorg.conf you need to look at the comments in the top of the file and do what it says there to reset md5sum if you want dpkg-reconfigure to edit the file |
| 00:26.35 | peterS | abrotman: only if you use the 'linux-image-686' package, or similar, which didn't exist in sarge.... |
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| 00:27.04 | abrotman | peterS: i'm pretty sure i had all the kernel-image-2.6-686 in sarge .. and it would upgrade the kernel |
| 00:27.15 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.6-686 etch |
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| 00:27.19 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 - transition package), section admin, is extra. Version: 1:2.6.18+6etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | like that! |
| 00:27.43 | fsmunoz | Ice_Chief: try to install an application named gsynaptics |
| 00:27.46 | peterS | abrotman: or just linux-image-686 if you want to automatically suck in kernel 2.8 in ten years |
| 00:28.10 | Nyle | I have the latest xorg packages from sid, and I just tried drxx and yeh it works |
| 00:28.28 | venger | nyle: i did reinstall. i was suggesting that since i installed this system as "debbootstrap sid" that some things aren't in place that it expects, perhaps templates or configs, thats why i was thinking of pushing in xfree86 and trying again |
| 00:28.35 | abrotman | peterS: linus seems to imply no such thing :) |
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| 00:28.38 | gravity | venger: That shouldn't be a problem. The script should only warn you about that. |
| 00:29.25 | peterS | many things change in ten years. sometimes even the kernel major version |
| 00:29.25 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:29.25 | peterS | maybe kernel 2.8 will be a rebranded hurd 1.1 |
| 00:29.38 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | it still won't have ppp support :) |
| 00:30.04 | peterS | no but the hurd does support disks larger than 4 GB. that's something. |
| 00:30.05 | venger | well as it stands xorg.conf and the backups are 0 byte files. /etc/X11/X points to /usr/bin/Xorg. |
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| 00:30.20 | venger | dpkg-reconfigure does remember my answers however |
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| 00:30.42 | venger | ' |
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| 00:30.50 | abrotman | peterS: i have a 540MB they can borrow if they need a development system :) |
| 00:31.05 | abrotman | gravity: burn it |
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| 00:31.44 | abrotman | gravity: and if it won't burn .. just cut it off |
| 00:32.12 | xaque | Is there any real reason that iptables could not be use as an industrial strength internet firewall/router? |
| 00:32.38 | jetscreamer | hey gravity i guess you already know xserver-xorg-input-mouse doesn't get installed (xorg 7.3 sid) so you have to manually install it.. least that's how it worked for me |
| 00:32.57 | jetscreamer | fyi hth all dat |
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| 00:33.33 | jetscreamer | what i really would like to know is what is this -ignoreABI going to possibly fuxor |
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| 00:34.02 | Jkl82 | Hi... can somebody help plz! |
| 00:34.04 | jetscreamer | other than that, works fine |
| 00:34.05 | jetscreamer | no |
| 00:34.11 | venger | I also get dexconf: error cannot generate configuration file; shared/default-x-server not set. Aborting. Reconfigure ... with dpk-reconfigure ... etc |
| 00:34.17 | jetscreamer | you didn't state the problem, how the hell can we help you |
| 00:34.23 | inaety | how can i send mail from kmail on the gmail server...i have all the ports and such right but it always times out |
| 00:34.25 | jetscreamer | !tell Jkl82 -about ask |
| 00:34.26 | gravity | jetscreamer: That can't be right |
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| 00:34.39 | jetscreamer | it happened to me today |
| 00:34.44 | venger | i thought dexconf was for xfree86 |
| 00:35.03 | gravity | No |
| 00:35.08 | Nyle | jetscreamer |
| 00:35.10 | jetscreamer | i was wondering "wtf why doesn't my mouse work" however i don't have allowmouseopenfail set or whatever it is |
| 00:35.11 | gravity | Hrm |
| 00:35.18 | jetscreamer | and it still loaded |
| 00:35.20 | Jkl82 | I come from #tomcat #apache... "empty".... I just configure my tomcat5.5 with apache2... now works fine for jsp.. but not for php |
| 00:35.25 | jetscreamer | hey nyle |
| 00:35.29 | Jkl82 | jetscreamer, nay Idea? |
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| 00:35.45 | gravity | Anyhow... I've got like four people tossing bugs at me |
| 00:35.49 | Spiritus55 | Ice_Chief is te'h nubzor |
| 00:35.56 | Nyle | yeh one time my keyboard stopped working and I was like WTF for an hour, changing batteries, messing with wireless reciever, then I realized the wireless reciever kb ps2 wasn't plugged in |
| 00:36.00 | Nyle | it happens |
| 00:36.15 | Jkl82 | Nyle, :p |
| 00:36.18 | jetscreamer | gravity: works fine here, only problem i've seen is easy to fix... damn fonts are different though :) |
| 00:36.18 | abrotman | walking stick!! |
| 00:36.30 | Jkl82 | abrotman, ... would u help me? |
| 00:36.30 | peterS | stew: no, throw gravity some drosophila, he is really into those |
| 00:36.33 | gravity | venger: That's due to the same problem |
| 00:36.35 | jetscreamer | Jkl82: i rent apache, sorry no idea |
| 00:36.37 | Jkl82 | Tomcat 5.5 and apache2 |
| 00:36.38 | Spiritus55 | Wow, I'm lagging bad... |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | how do they find me? |
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| 00:36.50 | jetscreamer | Jkl82: just ask the question, don't ask any one person |
| 00:36.55 | abrotman | jetscreamer: he did |
| 00:36.59 | jetscreamer | o |
| 00:37.02 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 00:37.03 | Jkl82 | jetscreamer, i did it.. |
| 00:37.16 | Jkl82 | this side up :) jetscreamer |
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| 00:37.22 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 00:37.23 | abrotman | Jkl82: did you use whatever goofy tomcat connector you need now ? |
| 00:37.27 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:37.36 | stew | i'm having to unplug and replug my 12 year old kinesis keyboard several times a day now |
| 00:37.44 | Ice_Chief | Hey, I just installed Debian and my mouse moves extremely slow using my toshiba touchpad. I have tried chaning the speed in prefrences>mouse but that doesnt do a thing. Can anyone help? |
| 00:37.47 | abrotman | stew: have you tried bluetooth ? |
| 00:37.47 | Nyle | stew: 12 years?! wow |
| 00:37.58 | Jkl82 | abrotman, .. yes.. mod_jk.. |
| 00:38.02 | stew | Nyle: yeah, i got it on your birthday :P |
| 00:38.06 | peterS | Nyle: why not, I have several Model M keyboards that must be at least that old |
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| 00:38.11 | jetscreamer | hey nyle i never saw the responses in that pm last week ... so if you keep typing my nick expecting me to answer something.... |
| 00:38.12 | Nyle | stew: har har ;) |
| 00:38.28 | fsmunoz | Ice_Chief: have you read my answer before? |
| 00:38.29 | Nyle | jetscreamer: no |
| 00:38.29 | Jkl82 | abrotman, well actually i have... all the configs that I've seen on blogs.. documents.. etc |
| 00:38.33 | Nyle | jetscreamer: just saying hey |
| 00:38.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:38.39 | stew | my model m keyboards actually have ps2 connectors, unlike my kinesis |
| 00:38.48 | Jkl82 | abrotman, but no one say something about ... running jsp and not php anymore. |
| 00:38.49 | stew | actually hmm, maybe i should try replacing the ps2 adapter |
| 00:38.53 | Nyle | my monitor is shaking badly |
| 00:38.54 | abrotman | Jkl82: that's all iknow .. i got it to work for me .. had to use the connector .. have apache listen on 80 etch |
| 00:39.02 | Nyle | I should 'degas' it |
| 00:39.07 | Ice_Chief | fsmunoz: Where do I enable SHMConfig? |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | etc |
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| 00:39.41 | jetscreamer | gauss |
| 00:39.42 | Jkl82 | abrotman, Im just would like to know what kind of file should I config... |
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| 00:39.43 | fsmunoz | Ice_Chief: in section "Input Device" |
| 00:39.48 | Jkl82 | abrotman, any Idea... |
| 00:40.00 | abrotman | Jkl82: which app is listening on 80 ? |
| 00:40.04 | Jkl82 | abrotman, is like everyone is perfect.. |
| 00:40.08 | dendrite | Jkl82: Is Tomcat supposed to serve php, or is apache? |
| 00:40.10 | Nyle | stew: you said something about using only 60Hz on your monitor (refresh rate). Could you kindly tell me why you prefer that? (iirc) |
| 00:40.18 | abrotman | apache has to |
| 00:40.24 | Jkl82 | dendrite, apache |
| 00:40.26 | jetscreamer | cuz it's an lcd? |
| 00:40.30 | stew | Nyle: becuase its the only possible refresh rate on all of my monitors |
| 00:40.30 | Nyle | jetscreamer: i know, some tech support guy told me to 'de gas' it |
| 00:40.40 | Nyle | stew: oh. |
| 00:40.43 | dendrite | Jkl82: And what is apache doing? |
| 00:40.43 | jetscreamer | 60 on a crt sucks ass though |
| 00:40.49 | Jkl82 | dendrite, no... apache -> php ... tomcat -> |
| 00:40.59 | Jkl82 | jsp |
| 00:41.01 | Nyle | jetscreamer: yes, I have 85Hz 1600x1200 on two 19" flat crt |
| 00:41.02 | jetscreamer | stew they're all lcd's i guess |
| 00:41.21 | abrotman | Jkl82: you missed a bit of that |
| 00:41.23 | stew | jetscreamer: yes |
| 00:41.23 | dendrite | So, apache is supposed to run php and serve it up? |
| 00:41.24 | Jkl82 | abrotman, what u mean? |
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| 00:41.39 | Nyle | one of my monitors is shaking now, started recently. if I switch to 60Hz on same resolution, monitor stops shaking (the picture is wobbly in corners) |
| 00:41.42 | gravity | venger: If you want, you can manually edit /var/cache/debconf/config.dat to set its "shared/default-x-server" to "xserver-xorg" |
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| 00:41.49 | abrotman | dendrite: apache grabs all 80 requests .. when it's html/php .. apache handles it .. when it's jsp .. it passes it off to tomcat for tomcat to parts |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | parse |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 00:41.54 | Jkl82 | dendrite... apache for statics.. tomcat for jsp |
| 00:41.58 | gravity | venger: That should get you through. |
| 00:42.01 | fsmunoz | Ice_Chief: see here, for example: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168581&page=3 |
| 00:42.05 | dendrite | abrotman: I'm not asking YOU! =) |
| 00:42.08 | fsmunoz | Ice_Chief: it explains what to had |
| 00:42.13 | gravity | We really do need to burn this stuff. The rationale for it is pretty much gone anyway. |
| 00:42.17 | jetscreamer | you 'might' look for magnets Nyle ... speakers have magnets.... not sure though. |
| 00:42.19 | gravity | Plus it's absurdly brittle |
| 00:42.21 | abrotman | dendrite: but i have answers! |
| 00:42.30 | jetscreamer | magnets are bad for crt guns |
| 00:42.35 | Jkl82 | abrotman, that's exactly what happening (i guess) |
| 00:42.40 | abrotman | jetscreamer: and the plate in my head! |
| 00:42.42 | dendrite | abrotman: And all I have are questions. Very Socratic of me, eh? |
| 00:42.44 | jetscreamer | computer speakers are shielded though |
| 00:42.50 | Ice_Chief | fsmunoz: Thanks :). I will get back to you with results. |
| 00:42.50 | Jkl82 | abrotman, apache is taking all the serverices. |
| 00:42.58 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not always well enough |
| 00:43.03 | abrotman | Jkl82: are you 100% sure ? |
| 00:43.05 | Nyle | jetscreamer: no speakers around |
| 00:43.06 | Nyle | ohhh wait |
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| 00:43.09 | abrotman | Jkl82: what happens when you try to get a PHP page ? |
| 00:43.11 | fsmunoz | Ice_Chief: however specific instructions are probably in /usr/share/doc/gsynpatics/README.Debian |
| 00:43.12 | jetscreamer | i like my altec lansings |
| 00:43.17 | fsmunoz | Ice_Chief: k |
| 00:43.30 | Jkl82 | abrotman, ... error 404 not enable... |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | Jkl82: external URL ? |
| 00:43.44 | Jkl82 | abrotman, local |
| 00:43.46 | Nyle | jetscreamer: nope, I had a big fan closeby, I moved it away, no dice |
| 00:43.57 | abrotman | Jkl82: apache error logs say anything ? |
| 00:43.57 | Nyle | jetscreamer: no speakers or any magnets closeby |
| 00:44.00 | dendrite | Jkl82: What's in apacke's logs? |
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| 00:44.05 | Jkl82 | abrotman, no |
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| 00:44.26 | dendrite | Jkl82: Apache logs show no traces of the php request??? |
| 00:44.27 | jetscreamer | usually for me the magnet/fan/whatever has to be very close to the monitor though... next to/touching |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | Jkl82: nothing at all ? |
| 00:44.37 | peterS | don't just read access.log, try error.log too |
| 00:44.45 | abrotman | Jkl82: access/error/rewrite? |
| 00:45.00 | Jkl82 | access |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | so check the error.log |
| 00:45.27 | Nyle | no its like 5 feet away |
| 00:45.34 | Jkl82 | [Mon Sep 17 15:18:14 2007] [11184:34480] [info] init_jk::mod_jk.c (2743): mod_jk/1.2.23 initialized abrotman |
| 00:45.45 | abrotman | is that it ? |
| 00:45.49 | abrotman | did you request the page yet ? |
| 00:45.52 | peterS | dude, you initialised abrotman? |
| 00:45.55 | Jkl82 | 6 of them... |
| 00:45.56 | peterS | that's so cool |
| 00:46.04 | abrotman | my mom loves Jkl82 |
| 00:46.05 | Jkl82 | abrotman, but looks fine (i guess) |
| 00:46.08 | jetscreamer | hey nyle just out of curiosity are your horiz&vert rates set properly in xorg.conf on each monitor? or is it autodetected? not that i think that is the problem |
| 00:46.14 | Jkl82 | abrotman, wtf? |
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| 00:46.26 | abrotman | Jkl82: nevermind :) |
| 00:46.45 | abrotman | Jkl82: tail -f /var/log/apache2/*.log .. and then request the PHP page |
| 00:47.10 | Jkl82 | abrotman, trying... |
| 00:47.47 | Nyle | jetscreamer: put in manually using ADVANCED option. Dell M993S 19" CRT flatscreen. 30-96, 50-160. It has known to run 1600x1200@100Hz without messing up. Windows XP lists 85Hz as supported, however debian/kde only shows that it supports upto 75 |
| 00:48.01 | Nyle | so I am on 75Hz right now. I will manually set it to 85Hz in xorg.conf |
| 00:48.05 | Nyle | lets see if this helps |
| 00:48.25 | Nyle | s/has/has been |
| 00:48.50 | venger | gravity: thanks in advance, had to step afk, looking back now |
| 00:48.58 | peterS | Nyle: really? 96 kHz isn't all that high, I'm surprised that gets you all the way to 1600x1200@100 |
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| 00:49.45 | curtmack | apparently my graphics drivers aren't installed properly |
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| 00:49.54 | curtmack | it'd be neato if I could fix that |
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| 00:50.07 | peterS | Nyle: 75 kHz sounds about right to me, for 1600x1200 at 96 kHz horizontal |
| 00:50.11 | Nyle | peterS: no no no, you're right hold on. /me scratches goatee. |
| 00:50.12 | peterS | errr, 75 Hz |
| 00:50.16 | jetscreamer | i've noticed xorg/whatever doesn't seem to detect the card/gpu's capabilities properly... on my desktop it claims it will only do 1152x864 |
| 00:50.27 | Nyle | peterS: 1280x1024@100, 1600x1200@85 |
| 00:50.38 | Nyle | per windows xp anyway |
| 00:50.42 | peterS | Nyle: even so, I think 96 kHz should get you near 75 Hz, not 85 Hz. hmm. |
| 00:50.46 | jetscreamer | quit setting @100 |
| 00:50.51 | Nyle | I am not! |
| 00:50.52 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 00:50.53 | Nyle | I swear |
| 00:51.00 | Nyle | brb |
| 00:51.05 | Jkl82 | abrotman, "nothing" |
| 00:51.09 | jetscreamer | mystery to me though |
| 00:51.12 | Jkl82 | just logs.. |
| 00:51.19 | peterS | Nyle: if you install read-edid then run 'get-edid | parse-edid', does it confirm your 96 kHz max horizontal? |
| 00:51.26 | abrotman | Jkl82: and in the catalina/tomcat logs ? |
| 00:51.38 | Jkl82 | yep.. |
| 00:51.42 | Jkl82 | abrotman, nothing |
| 00:51.50 | Jkl82 | I mean.. just.. logs.. |
| 00:51.54 | Jkl82 | "fine! |
| 00:51.57 | Jkl82 | " |
| 00:51.57 | abrotman | Jkl82: so .. nothing is getting the request ? |
| 00:52.00 | jetscreamer | i 'always' install read-edid before installing xorg... hey maybe if i don't it will detect properly |
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| 00:52.26 | dendrite | Jkl82: ... You mean the server is not seeing the request at all? |
| 00:52.27 | Jkl82 | abrotman, I even try to log in with the tomcat5.5-webapps.. it works. |
| 00:52.42 | peterS | jetscreamer: modern drivers and modern cards and modern monitors should all be pnp enough that read-edid is not needed - the driver should do the same. modern nv and radeon seem to do this for me anyway |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | Jkl82: you need to find out which application is taking the request |
| 00:52.55 | dendrite | Jkl82: "logs" means "text files where apache writes out what it's doing." |
| 00:53.02 | Jkl82 | abrotman,.... no, is working "fine" nothing bad (warning, error) anything |
| 00:53.15 | jetscreamer | omg what is that gar-bage at the bottom of the output of get-edid :) |
| 00:53.23 | Jkl82 | yes.. I try.. with a couple.. there are more. |
| 00:53.31 | jetscreamer | extended ascii and numbers |
| 00:53.32 | Jkl82 | dendrite, let me check |
| 00:53.35 | Hammar | abrotman: a) thanks for the help earlier b) in fact, the built-in powersave-button of my laptop DOES work if i _boot up_ using battery power |
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| 00:54.17 | abrotman | Hammar: LCD brightness ? |
| 00:54.38 | jetscreamer | peterS: i've been installing that since like woody or sarge, so i guess that qualifies as non-modern ok i'll try not to :) |
| 00:54.40 | Nyle | back, I set the only resolution in xorg.conf to 1600x1200@85 and I still get kde telling me that it is @75 |
| 00:55.01 | Jkl82 | dendrite, abrotman : but.. have u got any Idea about why is tomcat getting trying to be god? |
| 00:55.12 | Nyle | jetscreamer: does xorg.conf require "1600x1200@85" or "1600x1200@85Hz" |
| 00:55.17 | peterS | Nyle: can you paste the output of 'get-edid | parse-edid' somewhere? so I can see what _I_ think the monitor is capable of |
| 00:55.25 | Hammar | abrotman: indeed. it appears there are only 2 settings for lcd brightness. dimmed and full brightness. |
| 00:55.25 | Nyle | sure |
| 00:55.32 | jetscreamer | Hz iirc nyle, but i never use those |
| 00:55.37 | jetscreamer | so not sure |
| 00:55.46 | abrotman | Hammar: ick |
| 00:55.52 | abrotman | Jkl82: java complex |
| 00:56.00 | dendrite | Jkl82: That question made no sense to me. Try asking it a different way... |
| 00:56.01 | Jkl82 | abrotman, what is that? |
| 00:56.03 | dendrite | abrotman: <grin> |
| 00:56.11 | Jkl82 | dendrite, ok :p |
| 00:56.25 | Nyle | peterS: command not found. no candidate for package read-edid *sid* |
| 00:56.32 | jetscreamer | he meant why is tomcat trying to take over functions he wants apache to provide? |
| 00:56.34 | Jkl82 | abrotman, java_home is fine catalina_home... |
| 00:56.42 | jetscreamer | apt-get install read-edid |
| 00:56.42 | abrotman | Jkl82: i want to know what is getting the PHP request |
| 00:56.51 | peterS | Nyle: errr ... I guess it's only on i386, not amd64. sorry |
| 00:56.56 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:57.00 | Nyle | there it is. |
| 00:57.10 | jetscreamer | you tried to install get-edid? |
| 00:57.16 | Nyle | no |
| 00:57.35 | dendrite | jetscreamer: That's what I'd have assumed, if I was inclined to make assumptions in cases like this... But odds are, it's what you suggest. |
| 00:57.35 | kspath | I have a wierd one for you package casu installs flon there is no package flon ?!?!?! |
| 00:57.36 | Jkl82 | abrotman, ok.. so.. should be enough if I try to open a php file to "create" a log in some where? |
| 00:57.36 | Nyle | search *edid* on amd64 sid, no packages listed |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | kspath: you're running unstable |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | Jkl82: something should be trying to open it |
| 00:57.57 | kspath | abrotman: yah I am unstable |
| 00:58.00 | Jkl82 | abrotman, that should be register in some where right? |
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| 00:58.08 | Jkl82 | abrotman, ok cheking.. |
| 00:58.42 | Jkl82 | abrotman, Idea... even the other web-sites.. are not responding.. (php and html sites)... |
| 00:58.50 | curtmack | How do I fix a problem with my graphics drivers? |
| 00:58.55 | peterS | Nyle: hmmm, looks like it has no particular dependencies, probably can run the binaries on your amd64 system after installing libc6-386 |
| 00:58.58 | curtmack | specifically, that they're not installed properly |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | what kind of problem ? |
| 00:59.05 | abrotman | whicn ones? |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | which |
| 00:59.09 | jetscreamer | devine 'your driver' |
| 00:59.12 | jetscreamer | define |
| 00:59.15 | Nyle | devine |
| 00:59.16 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:59.20 | jetscreamer | we can't devine it |
| 00:59.25 | jetscreamer | so you must define it |
| 00:59.25 | Nyle | sure we can |
| 00:59.28 | curtmack | OpenGL drivers I think |
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| 00:59.31 | Jkl82 | abrotman, looks like in someway... the /www (apache) directory change to a another random directory (tomcat) |
| 00:59.35 | abrotman | Jkl82: right .. ps `fuser -n tcp ` |
| 00:59.35 | venger | gravity: it seems already set: http://paste.debian.net/37414 |
| 00:59.36 | jetscreamer | what card! |
| 00:59.40 | curtmack | ah |
| 00:59.44 | Nyle | jetscreamer: open source is divinity, no? |
| 00:59.45 | curtmack | lemme check |
| 00:59.50 | DamianF | Hi there, I would like to "jail" an user to his home directory and not allow him to traverse them. How can do this? |
| 00:59.54 | DamianF | can I* |
| 01:00.10 | abrotman | upstairs ? |
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| 01:00.13 | Nyle | chroot? |
| 01:00.22 | dendrite | DamianF: It's very difficult to do that reliably. |
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| 01:00.28 | jetscreamer | that used to be an installer option DamianF ... it asked you about readable home dirs |
| 01:00.34 | peterS | Nyle: no I just mean download the .deb and extract it with 'dpkg -x' or similar, and install libc6-386, and run the binaries |
| 01:00.38 | DamianF | Yea, I missed it, the system was already installed |
| 01:00.54 | Nyle | peterS: hmm |
| 01:01.01 | DamianF | dendrite, I don't want the user to cd .. under his home or go somewhere else outside his home |
| 01:01.18 | dendrite | DamianF: Yeah, that's a tough one. |
| 01:01.20 | Jkl82 | abrotman, port 80? |
| 01:01.24 | jetscreamer | make the directories 700 perhaps, and the files 600 |
| 01:01.32 | Jkl82 | abrotman, ask for one... |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | Jkl82: whoops .. |
| 01:01.39 | abrotman | Jkl82: right .. ps `fuser -n tcp 80 ` |
| 01:01.43 | kspath | binstats is pretty nice |
| 01:01.46 | peterS | Nyle: ...at least I thought there was a 'libc6-386' package for amd64, now I'm not seeing it |
| 01:01.50 | Jkl82 | 16374 16379 16380 16381 16382 16383 16386 16592 abrotman |
| 01:01.59 | Nyle | I was searching still |
| 01:02.01 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:02.05 | abrotman | Jkl82: ps aux | grep 16734 .. what is it ? |
| 01:02.10 | gravity | venger: That says the exact opposite |
| 01:02.13 | Nyle | I was just about to ask you where that package was |
| 01:02.14 | peterS | I could swear I had that installed, from the amd64 netinst CD of all places |
| 01:02.27 | DamianF | What about as an option of ssh or ftp? |
| 01:02.30 | peterS | but that's my work machine, my home machines are 32-bit, so I can't check now |
| 01:02.36 | abrotman | work ? |
| 01:02.38 | Nyle | np |
| 01:02.41 | pipeline | DamianF: scponly package has a script to make that very very easy |
| 01:02.45 | dendrite | DamianF: So you want to prevent local users from seeing anything except /home/<username> ? |
| 01:02.57 | semprix | Nyle = stoned |
| 01:03.00 | peterS | abrotman: yeah they let me use self-installed debian, can't ask for better than that |
| 01:03.06 | Nyle | nope |
| 01:03.07 | Jkl82 | Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html |
| 01:03.07 | Jkl82 | root 16962 0.0 0.0 3292 704 pts/0 S+ 20:03 0:00 grep 16734 |
| 01:03.07 | Jkl82 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.08 | Nyle | sober |
| 01:03.09 | DamianF | dendrite, correct |
| 01:03.10 | Jkl82 | nothing... |
| 01:03.12 | DamianF | pipeline, I just installed scponly |
| 01:03.18 | semprix | Nyle: haha |
| 01:03.19 | Jkl82 | abrotman, same with others??? |
| 01:03.25 | semprix | abrotman: h0wdy |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | peterS: hehe |
| 01:03.31 | abrotman | Jkl82: should be another line ? |
| 01:03.31 | kspath | abrotman: are you still a jnettop fanboy? do you like tcptrack or trafshow or iptraf? |
| 01:03.34 | peterS | abrotman: better yet, they're planning to migrate a product from fc3 to etch RSN, I'll probably be in charge of that. can't give details, I did sign an NDA, but ... yeah |
| 01:03.35 | dendrite | DamianF: So you don't want them to be able to read any files, from say /etc? |
| 01:03.41 | venger | gravity: opposite? as in not set? |
| 01:03.42 | DamianF | dendrite, Correct |
| 01:03.43 | Jkl82 | abrotman, no. |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | peterS: i have no RH boxen left! :) |
| 01:03.48 | gravity | venger: Right |
| 01:03.54 | jetscreamer | 16374 abrotman, or 16734 |
| 01:03.55 | gravity | venger: Oh, sorry. I misread |
| 01:03.55 | dendrite | DamianF: Then you are basically trying to set up an unusable system. |
| 01:04.02 | peterS | abrotman: right and nobody has FC3 boxes. we're like the last holdouts (: |
| 01:04.03 | dendrite | DamianF: How many users are you talking about? |
| 01:04.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:04.08 | DamianF | Just one. |
| 01:04.18 | dendrite | DamianF: Consider setting up a virtual machine. |
| 01:04.20 | DamianF | I mean, just one that can't do that. |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | Jkl82: what about 16382 ? |
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| 01:04.33 | curtmack | bah, it's an onboard chipset |
| 01:04.35 | gravity | venger: Actually, yes. It is not set. It needs to have the value set to xserver-xorg |
| 01:04.36 | dendrite | DamianF: I don't really think what you're doing is possible. |
| 01:04.39 | pipeline | DamianF: check out /usr/share/doc/scponly then :) |
| 01:04.41 | kspath | peterS: why not CentOS or newer Fedora? |
| 01:04.43 | venger | gravity: so perhaps i need a "value:" column? |
| 01:04.44 | curtmack | and I don't feel like hunting it down |
| 01:04.47 | dendrite | DamianF: s/doing/trying to do/ |
| 01:04.48 | curtmack | I'll be back tomorrow |
| 01:04.49 | Nyle | if you can't see/access anything other than /home, then you're kinda screwed, how would the users run commands or other programs in /usr/bin or bin or sbin or where ever? where will the /tmp go? |
| 01:04.51 | abrotman | kspath: i think it's an old box |
| 01:04.52 | gravity | venger: Yes |
| 01:04.54 | Nyle | I mean seriously |
| 01:04.54 | Jkl82 | abrotman, sorry :s |
| 01:04.55 | jetscreamer | curtmack: lspci | grep VGA |
| 01:05.01 | peterS | kspath: 'cause we're all debian fans, we're only using fedora because of decisions by people no longer at the company |
| 01:05.02 | Jkl82 | abrotman, I type so bad! |
| 01:05.07 | ironfroggy | why would rsync skip the src directory? |
| 01:05.08 | abrotman | Jkl82: what you say? |
| 01:05.09 | Jkl82 | abrotman, yes! apache2 |
| 01:05.13 | pipeline | DamianF: another option is openvz, but that's a hell of a lot of work |
| 01:05.19 | Jkl82 | 16374 0.0 0.8 26740 8732 ? Ss 19:25 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 01:05.21 | curtmack | jetscreamer: I'll write that down and try it tomorrow |
| 01:05.30 | jetscreamer | k |
| 01:05.33 | abrotman | Jkl82: and you're sure you have libapache2-mod-php5 installed ? |
| 01:05.38 | jetscreamer | V not v |
| 01:05.39 | kspath | abrotman: are you still a jnettop fanboy? do you like tcptrack or trafshow or iptraf? |
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| 01:05.39 | Jkl82 | abrotman, yes. |
| 01:05.43 | jetscreamer | or grep -i |
| 01:05.47 | DamianF | There was an option in the installer that said 'Allow users outside of their home directories?' |
| 01:05.49 | abrotman | Jkl82: and the module is enabled ? |
| 01:05.52 | Jkl82 | abrotman, and "activated" |
| 01:05.54 | Jkl82 | yes... |
| 01:05.57 | DamianF | What did that do? |
| 01:06.02 | Jkl82 | abrotman, a2... php5 |
| 01:06.08 | abrotman | a2enmod |
| 01:06.12 | dendrite | DamianF: No, that option was "allow other users to read your home directory", more or less. |
| 01:06.12 | Jkl82 | abrotman, yes |
| 01:06.13 | jetscreamer | more like 'group wide readable home directories' |
| 01:06.15 | abrotman | !tell odine about away |
| 01:06.15 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 01:06.41 | Nyle | !tell odine -about away |
| 01:06.43 | odine | oops sorry |
| 01:06.47 | dendrite | DamianF: All that did was set skel up to either allow or not allow "other" read and search. |
| 01:06.53 | odine | just reinstalled irc and everything didnt disable |
| 01:07.38 | dendrite | DamianF: So you don't want evil-one to read your ~, then "chmod -R o-rwx ~" AFTER you read the man page for chmod. |
| 01:07.44 | DamianF | Ah, apparently scponly allows you to chroot a user |
| 01:07.47 | Jkl82 | abrotman, check this out... http://www.glug.es/node/1857 almost the process that I have |
| 01:08.27 | abrotman | no habla espanol |
| 01:08.38 | Jkl82 | abrotman, is ok.. just the commands |
| 01:08.42 | abrotman | and that's also for ubuntu |
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| 01:09.10 | Jkl82 | abrotman, yes.. but is almost the same for this config |
| 01:09.42 | Jkl82 | abrotman, god.. and I made this config by hand.. in a red hat.... |
| 01:10.10 | Jkl82 | abrotman, I think Im missing a pre-config from debian.. in somewhere.. |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | Jkl82: if apache is listening on 80 .. it should log your attempt |
| 01:10.24 | Jkl82 | thats fine. |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | Jkl82: no .. it's not fine if it's not doing it |
| 01:11.14 | Jkl82 | abrotman, ... yes, is not doing it. |
| 01:11.20 | abrotman | then something isn't right |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | it should be logging it *somewhere* |
| 01:11.32 | Jkl82 | abrotman, u right |
| 01:11.44 | Jkl82 | abrotman, yes. |
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| 01:12.31 | ramin | what do i need to mount ntfs? |
| 01:12.35 | ramin | its not working.. |
| 01:12.38 | dendrite | 20:41 < abrotman> dendrite: but i have answers! |
| 01:12.48 | Jkl82 | abrotman, tomcat is even taking my ssl service.... |
| 01:12.49 | abrotman | argh .. i totally forget how to get the server string |
| 01:13.12 | venger | gravity: now "xserver-xorg/config/device/driver not set" and i'm not sure what the value would be. i wonder what would populate this in the first place. apt-get install xserver-xorg didn't lead to it being populated |
| 01:13.14 | Jkl82 | I think i have a "virus"... not tomcat! :p abrotman |
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| 01:13.28 | abrotman | tomcat is a virus |
| 01:13.34 | Jkl82 | abrotman, lol |
| 01:13.47 | ramin | i have windows on hda1 and i tried 'mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 c' but its saying wrong fs type... |
| 01:13.59 | ramin | do i need to install any pkg? |
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| 01:14.04 | Jkl82 | abrotman, ... I think that's all for 2night |
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| 01:14.11 | abrotman | i'm spent! |
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| 01:14.26 | Jkl82 | abrotman, tnx for you help... tomorrow Im gonna chek all the logs |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | Jkl82: is it easy for you to reproduce the isntallation ? |
| 01:14.42 | Jkl82 | kind of.. yes.. |
| 01:14.46 | abrotman | Jkl82: yes or no ? |
| 01:14.55 | Jkl82 | uhhhh |
| 01:14.56 | abrotman | i'd say to unisntall it .. setup apache2+php5 .. then work on tomcat |
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| 01:15.23 | Jkl82 | abrotman, .. im gonna try to figure out.. and if i cant... re-install everything! |
| 01:15.24 | ramin | anyone? |
| 01:15.27 | ramin | mounting ntfs? |
| 01:15.33 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 01:15.33 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 01:15.41 | sunway | is it possiable to use a swap file instead of a swap patition? |
| 01:15.41 | ramin | i resized it with qtparted and now its not working |
| 01:15.54 | Jkl82 | abrotman, man... tnx for your help... |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | sunway: yes |
| 01:16.11 | Jkl82 | abrotman, and say hi to your mom from me ;) |
| 01:16.15 | ramin | abrotman: i just want to mount it once to transfer some files.. |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | Jkl82: okay :) |
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| 01:16.36 | Jkl82 | abrotman, tnx! |
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| 01:16.50 | dendrite | o_O |
| 01:17.12 | sunway | abrotman: will a swap file harm the performance ? |
| 01:17.36 | dendrite | sunway: swap files are slower. |
| 01:17.42 | ramin | hdd1? |
| 01:17.45 | ramin | hda1! |
| 01:17.46 | ramin | :) |
| 01:18.11 | venger | gravity: it was because "discover" was not installed |
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| 01:18.14 | ramin | fuck ntfs! |
| 01:18.15 | ramin | :( |
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| 01:18.40 | abrotman | venger: hes' gone |
| 01:18.47 | karsten | dendrite: If you're worried about swap performance, you're optimize for pessimal case anyway. |
| 01:18.58 | archer | when would glade-3 be moved in stable? |
| 01:19.03 | venger | abrotman: oh ok, i was dealing with a bug 7.5 hours old -> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/304631 |
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| 01:19.32 | abrotman | venger: whoops |
| 01:19.36 | ramin | cfdisk tells me that my partition is W95 FAT32 |
| 01:19.37 | zinx | karsten: i have found the fastest device is actually /dev/null |
| 01:19.40 | abrotman | archer: not likely |
| 01:19.45 | ramin | can someone please help me mount it? |
| 01:19.51 | dendrite | karsten: That's one way to look at it. I was just trying to answer sunway's question regarding the performance of swap files versus swap partitions. |
| 01:19.55 | zinx | karsten: although /dev/zero is almost as fast, and has much more space to store swap on |
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| 01:20.11 | alex12345 | hi all,In vim I did :colorscheme desert , but I dont' see any change(only b&w). I use vi,aterm in debian etch. how to make it work? thanks |
| 01:20.23 | dendrite | zinx: /dev/null is also a really fast place to store any data!!! |
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| 01:21.09 | dendrite | ramin: Is that partition really fat32, or is it ntfs?? |
| 01:21.17 | archer | abrotman, why? |
| 01:21.19 | ramin | its ntfs |
| 01:21.28 | ramin | cfdisk just shows that |
| 01:21.30 | karsten | dendrite: My rule of thumb is: provision swap to ~2-3x max system RAM, or at least 2 GB on a modern system. I tend to avoid swapfiles (a management issue), but consider them bo be suitable for emergency use, but they're really not what you'd want in general. |
| 01:21.30 | dendrite | ramin: But it's now labeled as fat32? |
| 01:21.37 | ramin | so i thought that info might be useful |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | !tell archer about meaning of stable |
| 01:22.06 | ramin | -t vfat didnt work either |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | on ntfs ? |
| 01:22.25 | dendrite | ramin: I wonder if qparted changed the type number... |
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| 01:22.38 | ramin | no cfdisk is showing /dev/hda1 |
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| 01:23.25 | ramin | qtparted is a wrapper for gparted? |
| 01:23.36 | ramin | i thought qtparted worked directly with parted |
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| 01:24.24 | ramin | well ntfs isnt working |
| 01:24.37 | anandanbu | Is there any good resource for learning about the emacs |
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| 01:24.44 | dendrite | ramin: What I'm wondering is, since it was ntfs, but after running that program it is now saying it's fat32, is whether it's worth using fdisk to set the partition type back to ntfs... |
| 01:24.49 | ramin | anandanbu: tried google ? |
| 01:24.50 | ramin | :) |
| 01:24.52 | abrotman | anandanbu: encyclopedia emacia |
| 01:25.08 | ramin | dendrite: good idea :) |
| 01:25.15 | ramin | let me try that |
| 01:25.15 | ramin | :) |
| 01:25.24 | anandanbu | ramin: yeah |
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| 01:25.34 | abrotman | anandanbu: google "emacs tutorial" |
| 01:25.36 | dendrite | ramin: How large is the volume? and how valuable? |
| 01:25.50 | abrotman | !does emacs have buddha nature |
| 01:25.50 | dpkg | abrotman: no. |
| 01:25.59 | ramin | dendrite: its 150 gigs |
| 01:26.01 | anandanbu | When i try to connect to #ubuntu it says "you are banned from #ubuntu" why is it so and what have i done |
| 01:26.21 | dendrite | ramin: A bit big to easily make an image backup... |
| 01:26.23 | ramin | dendrite: and do i choose 86 or 87 in cfdisk? |
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| 01:26.36 | abrotman | anandanbu: ask the op that banned you |
| 01:26.38 | dendrite | ramin: Beats me. |
| 01:26.42 | ramin | both say ntfs volume |
| 01:26.49 | ramin | hehe |
| 01:27.02 | ramin | why the hell would they put that in there |
| 01:27.25 | ramin | both say the same exact thing, dont we have enough things to frustrate us?!?! |
| 01:27.29 | abrotman | --- #ubuntu Banlist: Mon Sep 17 12:53:48 *!*@59.92.* Seveas!n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas |
| 01:27.32 | ramin | anyways i'll go with the first |
| 01:27.33 | ramin | :) |
| 01:27.33 | abrotman | kind of broad |
| 01:27.40 | anandanbu | abrotman: what does op mean |
| 01:27.49 | dendrite | ramin: What system created the ntfs volume? |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | anandanbu: it means you have to ask one of their channel operators |
| 01:28.08 | abrotman | apparently seveas |
| 01:28.12 | ramin | dendrite: the windows installation |
| 01:28.26 | ramin | windows vista |
| 01:28.35 | anandanbu | abrotman: How to find and ask them |
| 01:28.46 | dendrite | Ah. |
| 01:28.49 | anandanbu | #ubuntu Banlist: Mon Sep 17 12:53:48 *!*@59.92.* Seveas!n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | anandanbu: /msg seveas Could you make an exceptino in #ubuntu for my IP |
| 01:29.12 | stew | anandanbu: /join #ubuntu-ops and ask there, we can't help you with #ubuntu |
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| 01:29.42 | dendrite | ramin: According to what I can find, 86 is not ntfs... |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | oh .. i always forget about those -ops channels |
| 01:29.52 | ramin | then what is? |
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| 01:30.04 | dendrite | 86 FAT16 FAT16 volume/stripe set (Windows NT) |
| 01:30.13 | ramin | 87? |
| 01:30.17 | dendrite | ramin: E.g., http://www.essdatarecovery.com/hexcodes.asp |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:30.23 | dendrite | 87 NTFS NTFS volume/stripe set |
| 01:30.24 | ramin | 86 didnt work |
| 01:30.27 | ramin | ok great |
| 01:30.37 | Wyzard | NTFS is 0x07 |
| 01:30.39 | ramin | someone should update the cfdisk ouput for type |
| 01:30.50 | ramin | or maybe i can do it if someone could show me the way |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | i thought ntfs was 0xdead ? |
| 01:31.29 | ramin | nah neither 86 or 87 mount |
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| 01:31.39 | ramin | i think knoppix borked up that windows partition |
| 01:31.44 | ramin | i'll just format it |
| 01:31.58 | ramin | i hope i can get maple and ms office running on native debian |
| 01:31.59 | ramin | :-P |
| 01:32.09 | dendrite | ramin: Try 07 |
| 01:32.16 | dendrite | 07 WindowsNT NTFS |
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| 01:32.56 | ramin | dendrite: nah forget about it |
| 01:33.02 | ramin | its corrupt! :( |
| 01:33.06 | dendrite | ramin: Oh well, it's worth a try. |
| 01:33.26 | ramin | ye thanks for the effort |
| 01:33.28 | dendrite | ramin: Corrupt? Then try "C7 corrupted corrupted NTFS volume/stripe set" |
| 01:33.30 | dendrite | :-) |
| 01:33.34 | ramin | hehe |
| 01:33.36 | ramin | whats that? |
| 01:33.37 | ramin | lol |
| 01:33.44 | ramin | what number? |
| 01:33.54 | ramin | as what number? |
| 01:33.55 | dendrite | ramin: These numbers are in hex. |
| 01:33.58 | dendrite | c7. |
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| 01:34.04 | dendrite | All of those are hex numbers. |
| 01:34.19 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like xorg 7.3 is in unstable, but the current nvidia-glx doesn't support it |
| 01:34.21 | ramin | my cfdisk shows 2 digit numbers |
| 01:34.25 | dendrite | 0x00 - oxff |
| 01:34.32 | Wyzard | I wonder if it'll take a new release from nVidia to support that |
| 01:34.38 | dendrite | s/o/0/ |
| 01:34.40 | abrotman | Wyzard: what do you think ? |
| 01:34.41 | ramin | nevermind i see letters |
| 01:34.42 | ramin | :-P |
| 01:34.46 | troubled | A little off topic, but could anyone please tell me if Kerberos has really had an average of 1 exploit per month for the last 5+ years? Or am I just dreaming that this POS software is secure? |
| 01:35.04 | ramin | dendrite: c7 is Cyrinx |
| 01:35.06 | abrotman | troubled: look at the CVE stuff |
| 01:35.06 | ramin | ? |
| 01:35.14 | Wyzard | abrotman: Probably, since it's a new driver ABI and that means a recompile... I doubt nVidia's GPL glue layer can abstract away the differences |
| 01:35.17 | troubled | abrotman: im afraid to |
| 01:35.35 | dendrite | ramin: I'm guessing that M$ doesn't much worry about using numbers already in use by competing systems... |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | troubled: it's easy |
| 01:36.13 | abrotman | Wyzard: you're fucked! buy S3! |
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| 01:36.47 | Wyzard | abrotman: I'm sure nVidia will update their driver soon enough |
| 01:36.55 | troubled | abrotman: 95 matches so far. not looking good :) |
| 01:36.56 | Wyzard | abrotman: though I'm looking forward to being able to buy ATI cards and have them work well |
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| 01:37.05 | abrotman | Wyzard: intel ? :) |
| 01:37.28 | ramin | mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 ! :-D |
| 01:37.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: i heard rumors somehwere (slashdot?) that intel was considering making boards again |
| 01:37.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: I have a GMA900 in my laptop, but AFAIK Intel doesn't sell video cards for desktops |
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| 01:38.19 | family | anyone familiar with the dfsbuild command |
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| 01:38.58 | troubled | abrotman: 65 cve's for ~ last 5 years for kerberos. scary |
| 01:39.13 | troubled | MS's IE doesnt even suck that bad |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | troubled: yes it does |
| 01:40.03 | troubled | least comprimised IE only gives you control of 1 machine, not a whole realm |
| 01:40.22 | troubled | MIT needs to just give up imho |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | Wyzard: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/23/0235249 |
| 01:40.51 | troubled | Ill bet you a beer theres at least another flaw in it exposed by years end |
| 01:41.23 | Wyzard | abrotman: hmm, cool |
| 01:41.34 | abrotman | Wyzard: if it happens |
| 01:41.58 | Wyzard | abrotman: Still, ATI's hardware is better, so if they have an open driver too, that'd be preferable |
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| 01:42.25 | abrotman | Wyzard: someone was saying earlier tonight (maybe peterS) that they've only released 2d specs so far) |
| 01:42.37 | peterS | quite so |
| 01:42.44 | Wyzard | So far, yes, but the plan is to release the 3D stuff too |
| 01:42.47 | abrotman | oh no .. i woke him up! |
| 01:42.52 | Wyzard | That's my understanding, at least |
| 01:42.57 | peterS | got some good publicity out of that, but yeah, that's all it was, for now |
| 01:43.17 | troubled | Wyzard: I was happy to see ATI's announcement about the specs....until I realised my 9800 was NOT included |
| 01:43.20 | Wyzard | might be a few months though -- look at how long it took Sun to release all of Java |
| 01:43.25 | troubled | ATI can suck my fuzzies |
| 01:43.31 | peterS | Wyzard: have sun even done that yet? |
| 01:43.37 | abrotman | no |
| 01:43.37 | Wyzard | troubled: yeah, it's only the new cards |
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| 01:44.03 | Wyzard | peterS: I believe they've released everything except a small amount of code that they don't have rights to release, and the browser plugin |
| 01:44.04 | jetscreamer | i thought the 9800's were already supported in xorg |
| 01:44.08 | peterS | troubled: yeah your 9800 is probably already supported in 2D mode though |
| 01:44.10 | troubled | Wyzard: makes you wonder why they didnt just release it for the older ones. Either way, my support for ATI has dropped considerably |
| 01:44.21 | jetscreamer | i mean 3d |
| 01:44.26 | peterS | troubled: so there wouldn't be much point |
| 01:44.32 | abrotman | troubled: maybe they figured that some smart developer could just go backwards ? |
| 01:44.33 | Wyzard | troubled: They probably don't have nice clean releasable documentation for it |
| 01:44.39 | troubled | peterS: ohh joy, 2d when everything is going compiz/beryl |
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| 01:44.50 | abrotman | troubled: buy intel? :) |
| 01:44.55 | troubled | abrotman: heh |
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| 01:45.02 | peterS | troubled: better than no support at all, which is what xorg was looking at before ati released those docs |
| 01:45.05 | jetscreamer | they don't want you to know they stole code from sco |
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| 01:45.33 | troubled | lulz jetscreamer |
| 01:45.45 | jetscreamer | i thought the 9800's were already supported in xorg for 3d |
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| 01:47.54 | peterS | i got you some code from sco ... but i eated it |
| 01:48.11 | troubled | jetscreamer: forums seems to suggest its up to 9600's |
| 01:48.49 | troubled | 9800 = R350 no? |
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| 01:49.52 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:50.07 | jetscreamer | brb |
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| 01:51.49 | troubled | xorg seems to say the R300 series is 2d only. Specificaly mentions the R350 9800pro with "(2D only)" :( |
| 01:52.00 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 01:52.28 | jetscreamer | and fglrx 'doesn't work'(tm) i guess? |
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| 01:52.47 | troubled | I can't win. Its a great card, excellent 3d in windows, still has years left in it. And they basically say "oh well, but hey, but our new card instead!" |
| 01:54.01 | peterS | releasing some 2D information about their newest cards is a cynical marketing ploy to make you replace your 9800, yeah |
| 01:54.17 | peterS | since, uh, the new cards will eventually have 2D support in linux just like the 9800 does |
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| 01:54.50 | troubled | so your telling me the newer ones only have 3d and no good 2d? lol |
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| 01:55.10 | peterS | what? I didn't say that |
| 01:55.22 | peterS | I said that with the information ATI just released, eventually the newer cards will have decent 2D support in Linux |
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| 01:55.36 | troubled | seems like you implied it with "eventually have 2d support" :) |
| 01:56.01 | jetscreamer | so fglrx doesn't work anymore with xorg7.3 and ati won't make a new one, or what? |
| 01:56.05 | peterS | "eventually have 2D support" is exactly what I meant. I said nothing about 3D support, that is a pure pipe dream with any modern graphics chip that isn't made by Intel |
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| 01:56.26 | jetscreamer | or is it just the license |
| 01:56.29 | pipeline | I wouldn't call 3D a pipe dream |
| 01:56.36 | pipeline | it's not super likely, but it's certainly not impossible |
| 01:56.49 | pipeline | R2xx support largely came from looking at the R1xx work the weather channel paid for, no? |
| 01:56.49 | peterS | not impossible, Intel has done a great job with this, but nobody else seems to care |
| 01:57.10 | peterS | and since Intel doesn't seem to sell graphics chips that aren't on Intel chipset motherboards ... too bad, or I'd buy one |
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| 01:57.31 | pipeline | I certainly wouldn't mind having an Intel board. It's not like I need wild 3D performance. |
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| 01:57.45 | pipeline | that said, shared memory and integrated graphics aren't really acceptable |
| 01:57.50 | peterS | the problem with an Intel board is that you can't use it with an AMD CPU |
| 01:57.53 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: ATI just released a new driver a few days ago, I think -- if that doesn't support the new driver ABI in Xorg 7.3, next month's update probably will |
| 01:57.55 | pipeline | We need the i740 updated for modern 2D resolutions :) |
| 01:58.17 | pipeline | peterS: I don't consider that a problem. But integrated graphics aren't available in decent configurations. |
| 01:58.34 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: i have nvidia, i was just trying to figure out why he was saying he can't ever have 3d with that 9800 |
| 01:58.42 | pipeline | btw, folks, there's more good news |
| 01:58.43 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 01:58.52 | pipeline | there's a new xrandr spec, 1.2, which has an explicit standard for hotswapping monitors |
| 01:58.55 | peterS | I certainly have been surprised that shared memory in graphics chips is _still_ being used today. but apparently the problems with the i740 (screen noise when your CPU keeps the memory bus busy...) are history, at least |
| 01:59.00 | pipeline | which should make life more pleasant across the board |
| 01:59.17 | pipeline | peterS: the i740 wasn't shared memory |
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| 01:59.32 | peterS | oh? what was I thinking of then? I thought it was |
| 01:59.41 | pipeline | also, wasn't shared memory the whole point of the AGP standard? :P |
| 01:59.43 | Wyzard | pipeline: yep, that's the big new feature, but it's also the reason for the driver ABI change that breaks compatibility with the current ATI and nVidia drivers |
| 01:59.43 | peterS | maybe something based around the i960? |
| 01:59.53 | pipeline | the i960 was a processor |
| 01:59.57 | peterS | I know that |
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| 02:00.09 | peterS | so what was I thinking of that was an Intel-based graphics board that came before the i810? |
| 02:00.11 | pipeline | i810 was the shared memory, integrated graphics derivative of the i740. |
| 02:00.14 | jetscreamer | i thought the i740 was actually a offboard, pci card |
| 02:00.15 | pipeline | i740 starfighter |
| 02:00.20 | pipeline | it was |
| 02:00.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:00.25 | pipeline | and performance was pretty good for the money |
| 02:01.00 | pipeline | cheap, good GL support in NT |
| 02:01.22 | jetscreamer | yet another free computer |
| 02:01.34 | jetscreamer | i could /nick trashman maybe |
| 02:01.44 | pipeline | probably a good move |
| 02:02.24 | peterS | y'know, the randr standard would be a lot easier for me to pronounce in my head if it were spelled r+r |
| 02:02.27 | jetscreamer | i installed xp and lenny on it.. surely it's worth 100bucks |
| 02:02.54 | peterS | jetscreamer: theoretically just the XP install alone is worth more than that. even if you buy win95 plus an upgrade license. |
| 02:03.17 | pipeline | I find it a tiny bit amusing that the driver specs become available less than a month after avivo becomes widely available and semi-usable. |
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| 02:03.23 | jetscreamer | better just to go to fry's and get a $200 box |
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| 02:03.48 | LeewardRail | whatÅ› the standard gui partition/mount tool for gnome on debian ? is there such a thing ? no luck with google so far |
| 02:03.55 | peterS | jetscreamer: ah but the $200 box doesn't come with an XP license |
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| 02:04.23 | peterS | LeewardRail: probably gparted |
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| 02:05.06 | jetscreamer | peterS: i saw a 299 one that did though i think... or 278 |
| 02:05.20 | LeewardRail | peterS, thanks ! been a long time since i used gnome. testing out 64 studio... |
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| 02:08.07 | jetscreamer | parted is for partioning, not mounting |
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| 02:08.31 | jetscreamer | whatÅ› the standard gui partition/mount tool <--? |
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| 02:09.31 | manu_hack | hi, is it possible to resize a partition containing / ? but parted said I need to unmount it before resizing, so how to do it? |
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| 02:09.47 | jetscreamer | livecd |
| 02:10.03 | jetscreamer | there is a gparted livecd . i used it once |
| 02:10.14 | jetscreamer | long ago, surely it's better now... |
| 02:10.16 | manu_hack | what is livecd is not availabe, it's on a laptop, very old one |
| 02:10.25 | manu_hack | what if |
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| 02:11.10 | manu_hack | no other method? |
| 02:11.12 | jetscreamer | take the hd out and put it in a desktop.. the adapter kit is like 4.95 |
| 02:11.42 | manu_hack | oh |
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| 02:11.56 | manu_hack | okay |
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| 02:12.07 | jetscreamer | there's also usb enclosures |
| 02:12.16 | jetscreamer | they start around 20.00 iirc |
| 02:12.22 | klhfck | I've dd the mbr... |
| 02:12.35 | klhfck | is their anway to fix this ? |
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| 02:12.59 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 , if it's ONLY the mbr, for sure. |
| 02:13.01 | phrowzen | hi |
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| 02:13.06 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 02:13.49 | spq | do i need nfs-acl support, if i want to use acl on my nfs server, the client has not to change acl settings, the server should make it (the filesystem where my data is supports acl) |
| 02:14.08 | klhfck | jetscreamer: sh-3.00# grub-install hd0 |
| 02:14.08 | klhfck | /usr/lib/grub/i386-t2/stage1: Not found. |
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| 02:14.32 | phrowzen | is anyone familiar with optimizing debian's tcp/ip parameters? my server is kind of crap, real old, seems i always have to thread my connections to it to max |
| 02:14.33 | jetscreamer | klhfck: chroot? |
| 02:14.57 | klhfck | jetscreamer: I cannot chroot if this live-cd cannot identify a partition.. |
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| 02:15.08 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 02:15.38 | jetscreamer | i just saw you say 'i dd'd the mbr' |
| 02:15.51 | qmr | I'm using apache2 on debian etch, and I've created a vhost with document root of /var/www/jitw.org/ and when I visit jitw.org it for some reason goes to jitw.org/apache2-default in the browser. wtf? |
| 02:15.51 | klhfck | correct dd the mbr |
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| 02:16.05 | jetscreamer | i missed the 'i'm on a livecd' part |
| 02:16.12 | klhfck | my debian system would be on /dev/hda1 |
| 02:16.27 | klhfck | and I'm trying to fix from mbr from live-cd ... |
| 02:16.31 | enouf | klhfck: try find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 02:17.10 | jetscreamer | so why can't it see hda1? weird partiton type? wierd fs? livecd sucks? |
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| 02:17.21 | klhfck | I dd'd the mbr |
| 02:17.29 | klhfck | the mbr holds the info |
| 02:18.13 | enouf | hrm what arch is t2 .. hrm |
| 02:18.16 | jetscreamer | if you know exactly how big you made them, you can recreate the partitons(exactly) and the files will still be there |
| 02:18.26 | pipeline | enouf: sun4v |
| 02:18.26 | jetscreamer | been there done that, with cfdisk/fdisk |
| 02:18.30 | enouf | ahh |
| 02:18.42 | enouf | mabe gpart can guess at the original layout |
| 02:18.52 | jetscreamer | the mbr doesn't hold the partition tables does it? /me doesn'w know |
| 02:18.57 | enouf | yep |
| 02:19.04 | enouf | it hold the MPT |
| 02:19.11 | jetscreamer | i thought that was elsewhere |
| 02:19.15 | enouf | well, the 1st 512bytes |
| 02:19.25 | enouf | 440+6+64+2 |
| 02:19.26 | jetscreamer | not my forte, but i've had to mess with it enough |
| 02:19.40 | jetscreamer | hexedit it btw |
| 02:19.48 | jetscreamer | if you know what you are doing |
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| 02:20.01 | jetscreamer | i've done that too, but i didn't know what i was doing :) |
| 02:20.04 | enouf | code+vol_id+MPT+sigbytes |
| 02:20.19 | jetscreamer | i've undeleted files via hexedit though iirc.. not in linux |
| 02:20.19 | klhfck | gparted says create disk label.. |
| 02:20.36 | enouf | no, i said gpart, though not sure about sun systems |
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| 02:20.49 | klhfck | gpart ? |
| 02:20.54 | klhfck | never heard of.. |
| 02:21.09 | manu_hack | gui version of parted? |
| 02:21.19 | jetscreamer | there are partion recovery tools in the world, that actually work, and some that work halfassed....norton is what i have |
| 02:21.26 | jetscreamer | i didn't buy it |
| 02:21.40 | jetscreamer | i wouldn't buy anything norton |
| 02:21.46 | jetscreamer | well not anymore |
| 02:21.48 | klhfck | I'm not interested in non-gpl software anymore... |
| 02:21.53 | manu_hack | I'd like to know, if I have 5G of space in other partition, can I move my / to that partition? it should be okay right? |
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| 02:22.15 | jetscreamer | you can just use lvm manu_hack ... or just mount it somewhere |
| 02:22.29 | jetscreamer | you don't have to repartition |
| 02:22.34 | jetscreamer | but you could |
| 02:22.51 | manu_hack | as before I have a dual boot, now I don't want the M$ anymore |
| 02:23.10 | qmr | manu_hack: it's MS |
| 02:23.11 | jetscreamer | just mount it , make it /home or something |
| 02:23.12 | manu_hack | but the problem is, that is a 6G HDD, |
| 02:23.34 | manu_hack | and now Debian uses 1G, M uses 5G |
| 02:23.57 | manu_hack | what should I do? |
| 02:23.58 | klhfck | ok, puppy has a parted pkg.. |
| 02:24.51 | manu_hack | can I just rm that 5G partition and move everything to that partition? |
| 02:25.03 | manu_hack | by everything I mean / |
| 02:25.04 | jetscreamer | you can't have that many files you can't backup, just backup whatever and reinstall clean |
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| 02:25.42 | jetscreamer | but yes you can do that |
| 02:25.43 | manu_hack | can't reinstall , or i don't want to, that's a very old laptop, no CD rom, no other way to boot |
| 02:25.52 | manu_hack | so I want to make sure it works |
| 02:26.12 | jetscreamer | no usb? |
| 02:26.16 | manu_hack | that 1G partition can be used for something else, so I can use parted to cp right |
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| 02:26.19 | manu_hack | no usb |
| 02:26.22 | manu_hack | very old one |
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| 02:26.34 | manu_hack | it has usb, but can't boot with usb |
| 02:26.40 | jetscreamer | you can probably use parted to grow the 1gig partition to the full capacity |
| 02:26.47 | manu_hack | how? |
| 02:26.56 | manu_hack | without getting the HDD out? |
| 02:26.59 | jetscreamer | not sure i don't like resizing |
| 02:27.13 | manu_hack | so that 1G space is okay |
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| 02:27.22 | manu_hack | as long as I can use 5G |
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| 02:27.54 | jetscreamer | create your new 5G partition, mkfs something, then cp -a ... but you will get problems with /proc and /sys iirc |
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| 02:28.06 | reiser2 | Hii have problems with my sound card |
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| 02:28.13 | sharika | hi can i ask abt libwnck here?? |
| 02:28.18 | reiser2 | i can hear sounds using XMMS |
| 02:28.25 | manu_hack | so still not a good idea? |
| 02:28.28 | jetscreamer | i always cp from livecd .. but anyway, edit fstab and menu.lst , you should be good to go |
| 02:28.32 | reiser2 | but when i want to listen youtuve there is no sound |
| 02:28.44 | klhfck | ok, gpart static linked works.. |
| 02:28.51 | jetscreamer | /proc /sys /dev |
| 02:28.51 | klhfck | it is not gui as I thought.. |
| 02:29.14 | jetscreamer | there was a method, but i don't rem it |
| 02:29.15 | sharika | i am confused how to use it with a function which have to continuosly listen to audio device |
| 02:29.50 | reiser2 | any idea |
| 02:29.51 | reiser2 | ? |
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| 02:30.05 | sharika | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:30.59 | klhfck | gpart sees my partitions.... |
| 02:31.19 | klhfck | this is a beatiful utility... |
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| 02:34.43 | enouf | reiser2: youtubular is shock-shit-flash-crap likely |
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| 02:35.49 | reiser2 | enouf: i don think so |
| 02:35.56 | Peppermint | hi. I am having problems opening .nsv stream with mplayer ( OS: Debian Etch Stable / CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2800+ / RAM +700 ) I have tried so many variaties on Options, and come to the conclusion that it must have something to do with the Sound... since it doesnt seem to be Syncron with the video. What can i do to get it to work right ? |
| 02:35.58 | reiser2 | enouf: because some times i can hear |
| 02:36.08 | amphi | enouf: ;) |
| 02:36.22 | enouf | amphi: !! |
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| 02:36.25 | jetscreamer | Peppermint: you might ask in #mplayer at the same time |
| 02:36.49 | amphi | enouf: alles klar? |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | !hi |
| 02:37.11 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 02:37.12 | enouf | alles klar mate |
| 02:37.14 | Peppermint | jetscreamer, am goin there, just posted in icecast :D |
| 02:37.36 | klhfck | I've gotta close this #debian tab it is eating my mem.. |
| 02:37.44 | klhfck | thanks for the gpart tip !!! |
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| 02:38.10 | jetscreamer | OMFG WTF WAS THAT |
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| 02:38.20 | amphi | that's the strangest /part reason I've seen |
| 02:38.24 | enouf | reiser2: maybe you've found a few that aren't shock-the-monkey-nuts encoded |
| 02:38.28 | jetscreamer | i was typing on my other box, the xorg 7.3 one.... xchat just dissappeared |
| 02:38.33 | reiser2 | humm |
| 02:38.45 | Swat2 | Anyone know how i can just re-compile suexec to change the docroot? |
| 02:38.45 | abrotman | jetscreamer: wrong keyboard ? |
| 02:38.48 | jetscreamer | vanished |
| 02:38.54 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:38.56 | reiser2 | i can't hear midi |
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| 02:39.06 | jetscreamer | i have to turn to the laptop |
| 02:39.17 | reiser2 | i think is AlSA related problem |
| 02:39.34 | manu_hack | ok, i now have a new partition name hda1, so if I add /dev/hdb1 /home ext2 defaults 1 2 in fstab, what would happen to my existing home? |
| 02:39.36 | jetscreamer | heh nothing is working on the other box... the mouse moves |
| 02:39.47 | enouf | reiser2: no idea really, not without a lot of guessing, and i left my psychic hat at work |
| 02:39.55 | jetscreamer | ah shit no keyboard |
| 02:39.59 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 02:40.11 | jetscreamer | !blame gravity |
| 02:40.22 | abrotman | came to a crashing halt ? |
| 02:40.26 | jetscreamer | yeh |
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| 02:40.36 | jetscreamer | must be my -ignoreABI |
| 02:40.51 | jetscreamer | wonder if i can ssh in still |
| 02:41.16 | enouf | just know "sound" is not 'sound', it's actually 5Gazillion different codecs, most are proprietary crap owned by some shithead |
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| 02:41.56 | jetscreamer | hmm seems to be hardlocked :/ |
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| 02:42.13 | reiser2 | damm |
| 02:42.14 | reiser2 | i did |
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| 02:42.21 | donspaulding | hello all, when installing, I chose to encrypt my LVM disk, now I wish I hadn't. Is there a way I can unencrypt the fs? |
| 02:42.22 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 02:42.23 | rvalles | dpkg: why me? |
| 02:42.23 | enouf | snd 46080 11 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_ens1371,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_time |
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| 02:42.28 | enouf | how's that O.o |
| 02:43.00 | jetscreamer | ahhhhh |
| 02:43.13 | jetscreamer | !blame hd |
| 02:43.17 | enouf | snd_seq 43532 9 snd_seq_instr,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event |
| 02:43.20 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:43.29 | enouf | load 'em up folks |
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| 02:43.57 | ryty | snd 73640 18 snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq,snd_rawmidi,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_device,snd_timer,snd_util_mem,snd_hwdep |
| 02:44.04 | enouf | omg |
| 02:44.06 | ryty | enouf: come on now. |
| 02:44.07 | ryty | lol |
| 02:44.23 | abrotman | what an awful game |
| 02:44.29 | reiser2 | i installed alsa-utils |
| 02:44.32 | reiser2 | and configure alsa |
| 02:44.51 | enouf | yried alsamixer? |
| 02:44.53 | ryty | enouf: what's horrible is that I didn't try for that...it was like that |
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| 02:45.24 | abrotman | ryty: what'd you do ? locate *snd* | xargs modprobe ? |
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| 02:45.49 | ryty | abrotman: no, just an lsmod, and cpd, pstd the line in |
| 02:45.55 | enouf | ryty: well, i did at one time load most of those up afterwards on purpose, just keep forgetting to blacklist/remove from /etc/modules |
| 02:46.20 | jetscreamer | /exec -o ls -lA /lib/modules/2.6.21-2-686/kernel/sound/pci .... NOT |
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| 02:46.43 | enouf | yikes |
| 02:46.53 | ron1n | hey guys, I'm having trouble with sound programs, whenever I;am speaking into my microphone and something louad happens, my capture coluyme goes down and I have to re-adjust it by hand, does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 02:47.11 | ron1n | capture volume* |
| 02:47.12 | ryty | stop yelling. |
| 02:47.13 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base .. maybe ? |
| 02:47.14 | ryty | lol |
| 02:47.17 | aum | hi - i've just installed a PCI SATA adapter, with a 500GB SATA HDD - how do i enable it and address the disks? lspci shows the SATA controller fine - do i need any kernel modules? |
| 02:47.18 | family | anyone know if this is a good build my custom debian system kernel 2.6.22.3-rc1-slh-smp-2 with dist etch and light weight fvwm |
| 02:47.35 | ron1n | ryty: lol, its not just that, its sneazing or whatever, anything, its really bothersome =/ |
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| 02:47.41 | abrotman | aum: does dmesg see it ? |
| 02:47.44 | enouf | ron1n: only think maybe is try 'alsactl store' once set |
| 02:47.52 | aum | abrotman: i'll check |
| 02:47.59 | ron1n | enouf: alright, thanks I'll try that |
| 02:48.22 | troubled | 500gig. damn. How much space do you honestly need these days :) |
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| 02:49.06 | jetscreamer | at least a terabyte |
| 02:49.06 | nhuisman | could someone help with a postfix install issue on debian etch? |
| 02:49.10 | aum | abrotman: apparently not |
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| 02:49.29 | abrotman | aum: did you plug a drive into it ? |
| 02:49.34 | jetscreamer | !tell nhuisman -about ask |
| 02:49.37 | Wyzard | aum: If the controller is supported, the driver should've been loaded automatically by udev, so you don't need to do anything else |
| 02:49.38 | aum | abrotman: yes |
| 02:49.41 | nhuisman | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.48 | troubled | jetscreamer: maybe for ripping large movie collection from (HD)DVD/Blue-Ray to disc |
| 02:49.49 | nhuisman | this happens when I try and install postfix |
| 02:49.52 | aum | it's a common controller - via vt6240 |
| 02:49.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: unless the PCI id isn't in the DB |
| 02:50.03 | Wyzard | true, but that's uncommon |
| 02:50.04 | nhuisman | I had previously installed postfix and then deleted /etc/postfix |
| 02:50.05 | abrotman | aum: lspci .. is it IDed correctly ? |
| 02:50.10 | nhuisman | and /usr/share/doc/postfix |
| 02:50.11 | aum | abrotman: yes |
| 02:50.15 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 02:50.15 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 02:50.26 | abrotman | aum: etch ? |
| 02:50.33 | aum | 00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80) |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | aum: lspci -n .. what's the PCI ID ? |
| 02:50.42 | Wyzard | abrotman: The names used by lspci aren't related to the set of IDs "recognized" by the modules, though |
| 02:50.44 | nhuisman | jetscreamer: is that for me? |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | Wyzard: i know the names aren't |
| 02:50.54 | ron1n | enouf: nope, doesn't seem to do it =/ |
| 02:50.56 | Wyzard | ok |
| 02:51.14 | aum | 00:0f.0 0104: 1106:3149 (rev 80) |
| 02:51.36 | enouf | ron1n: there must be some auto-sensing dynamic ranging in some software setting, like cell phones can do, that's kicking in |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | sata_via 0x00001106 0x00003149 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 02:51.40 | nhuisman | man that's a hell of a command line option to tell it to reinstall the missing config files |
| 02:51.56 | abrotman | aum: seems to be the sata_via driver in the .21 kernel in lenny |
| 02:52.09 | aum | ahh, so i need to load sata_via? |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | aum: are you on etch or lenny ? |
| 02:52.31 | abrotman | but yes .. that'd be the driver |
| 02:52.32 | aum | abrotman: ubuntu actually, but #ubuntu is unresponsivfe |
| 02:52.39 | abrotman | oh .. nfc then |
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| 02:52.58 | ryty | aum: most likely the same module |
| 02:53.04 | aum | k |
| 02:53.07 | ron1n | enouf: could it be skype, the primary software I'm using? |
| 02:53.20 | abrotman | aand you compiled your own kernel ? |
| 02:53.28 | aum | abrotman: ryty - thx for help so far, i'll check my kernel |
| 02:53.29 | ryty | aum: do you already have any SATA drives? |
| 02:53.37 | aum | ryty: yes, a 500GB plugged in |
| 02:53.44 | ryty | I mean, besides the new one? |
| 02:54.26 | enouf | ron1n: yes, it could be |
| 02:54.37 | enouf | ron1n: i know nothing about skype |
| 02:54.40 | ryty | ron1n: I've had the same thing happen with Skype |
| 02:54.58 | ron1n | ryty: have you found a solution? |
| 02:55.06 | ryty | don't use skype. |
| 02:55.14 | ron1n | good enough for me |
| 02:55.24 | aum | ahh, ok, didn't have SATA_VIA set |
| 02:55.28 | aum | thx again guys |
| 02:55.31 | ryty | np |
| 02:55.46 | ron1n | they negelect to include Linux with there video support, that was almost reason enough to drop the software |
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| 02:58.12 | aum | when your home dir grows to over 250GB, it's time for a big file purge... or a disk upgrade :P |
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| 02:59.31 | maxamillion | ok, i know this is a strange question but which came first: apt or portage? and i need evidence of the answer for personal peace of mind |
| 02:59.52 | simonrvn | apt |
| 03:00.03 | maxamillion | simonrvn: do you have a link? |
| 03:00.14 | simonrvn | no, i just know |
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| 03:00.25 | simonrvn | apt already existed when gentoo came out |
| 03:00.30 | maxamillion | i have always *known* apt came first but someone swore to the ground today that portage was first so i have to know |
| 03:00.34 | maxamillion | simonrvn: that's what i thought |
| 03:00.42 | simonrvn | they're full of it |
| 03:00.55 | nhuisman | ah |
| 03:01.00 | nhuisman | i had to purge the package via dpkg |
| 03:01.20 | simonrvn | and dpkg came before that ;) |
| 03:01.20 | maxamillion | nhuisman: ? |
| 03:01.25 | nhuisman | nothing maxamillion |
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| 03:01.39 | nhuisman | yeah how long ago has debian been popular in comparison to debian |
| 03:01.42 | nhuisman | err |
| 03:01.48 | nhuisman | i meant to say gentoo for that first debian in the sentence |
| 03:02.09 | simonrvn | gentoo's been around a few years, debian over 10 |
| 03:02.55 | simonrvn | the funny part about apt/deity is that it first started as a "proof-of-concept" |
| 03:03.12 | nhuisman | 2k2 ish for gentoo eh |
| 03:03.22 | simonrvn | something like that |
| 03:03.30 | simonrvn | a bit later i think |
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| 03:04.08 | maxamillion | nhuisman: yeah, wikipedia says the first release of gentoo was 2002 ... development started in december of 199 |
| 03:04.11 | maxamillion | 1999* |
| 03:04.21 | maxamillion | simonrvn: really? |
| 03:04.21 | simonrvn | ah |
| 03:04.33 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 03:04.39 | maxamillion | i didn't know it was just a proof of concept |
| 03:05.00 | simonrvn | that's how it started |
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| 03:05.28 | simonrvn | genius idea IMO, built on a basic concept |
| 03:05.54 | maxamillion | fair enough |
| 03:06.08 | maxamillion | well thank you both for your help ... i now feel better that i know i hadn't lost my mind |
| 03:06.18 | maxamillion | i think i am off |
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| 03:09.59 | Trentster | is there a way using " history " or some other command that I can see the hostname or ip of the user who ran a particular command? |
| 03:12.09 | petemc | no, you can try and guess with the output of "last" , but there are no time stamps in the shell history so its not ideal |
| 03:12.51 | Trentster | petemc, thats a pity would have thought that would have been a needed function |
| 03:13.22 | petemc | you can add software to do more stringent tracking |
| 03:14.59 | Trentster | petemc, thanks |
| 03:16.13 | dondelelcaro | but there's pretty much no point. If you don't trust your users, they shouldn't have accounts on your machine. |
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| 03:18.05 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, It can also be used to see if your box has been breached |
| 03:18.26 | dondelelcaro | nope. |
| 03:18.43 | jetscreamer | so what if you don't trust anybody |
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| 03:18.57 | dondelelcaro | if your machine has been rooted, logs are useless. |
| 03:19.04 | dondelelcaro | (well, likely to be useless) |
| 03:19.30 | Trentster | yeah I suppose... |
| 03:19.56 | jetscreamer | don't trust anybody under 30! |
| 03:21.22 | Trentster | does history record a timestamp at least, so you can see what date and time the command was run? |
| 03:21.50 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 03:22.17 | dondelelcaro | well, it can, but it's up to the user. |
| 03:22.32 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, wow, I am really suprised, surely this should be standard features...and is lacking |
| 03:22.53 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: it's not a standard feature unless you're into invading the privacy of your useers |
| 03:23.10 | Nyle | its probably a standard Windows feature |
| 03:23.43 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not like you can't make a shell that logs all of that information using syslog if you actually wanted to) |
| 03:23.54 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, what the time stamp of something got to do with the privacy of users? should the system not log ssh connect times as well, because of privacy..... |
| 03:23.55 | dondelelcaro | someone probably even has a trojaned shell that does exactly that |
| 03:24.04 | Trentster | come on don't be ridiculous !! |
| 03:24.23 | Nyle | even md5 sums are useless if your box is rooted |
| 03:24.28 | jetscreamer | it's nice to trust everybody, but if you wait long enough, somebody will do something somewhere... so where's the stuff to find that guy? |
| 03:24.49 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: it's very difficult to actually determine the person responsible in the first plac.e |
| 03:25.19 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: someone who actually knows what they're doing will operate thorugh proxies anyway, so you're most likely to catch script kiddies. |
| 03:25.37 | troubled | jetscreamer: or do what I do, and just tell the authorities dondelelcaro did it :) |
| 03:26.26 | dondelelcaro | frankly, you're far better off spending time making your system difficult to break into than creating forensics to track down who actually broke in. |
| 03:26.49 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, you are kinda missing the point, what happens if its not this incredibly bright cracker, but just one of your users trying to see if he can something malicious, surely as an admin you should be able to see who is doing what or attempting what on your system! |
| 03:26.54 | dondelelcaro | (and if you still don't agree with me, consider what happens when your attacker gets ahold of the forensics) |
| 03:26.57 | troubled | well, arguably all you need it a decent baseline and regular checks |
| 03:27.17 | troubled | s/it/is/ |
| 03:27.47 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: if I have users who would attempt something malicious, they're rather rapidly not users on my systems anymore. |
| 03:27.49 | Nyle | well actually all you need is love |
| 03:28.02 | dondelelcaro | (or not users in the first place) |
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| 03:28.30 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, exactly! so you need to be able to tell if they are trying to do something malicious...kapish! |
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| 03:29.27 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: why? if I don't trust them to not do malicious things, they're not users. |
| 03:30.04 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: if you actually really need such a thing, then get a shell which logs all commands run. They exist. |
| 03:30.12 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, or maybe you can pick it up via osmosis do you go into your zen garden and meditate, until the name of an offending user comes to you? |
| 03:31.18 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: eh? why would I need to do any of that? |
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| 03:32.16 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, LOL I guess you wouldn't ! |
| 03:32.23 | troubled | Trentster: what he's trying to say is you shouldnt have to spy on your users :) |
| 03:32.40 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: you seem to be going about this backwards. You only allow users onto your system if they're trusted. If they're not, they don't get shells. If you have to spy on your users, then they shouldn't be users. |
| 03:33.05 | troubled | Trentster: would be like being a landlord and saying, well, I should install cameras secretly in all the rooms cause I think they are doing something and I want a way to catch them |
| 03:33.26 | Trentster | troubled, my point is that its not all about weather you trust users or not, but about being able to pick up problems.... |
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| 03:33.49 | troubled | Trentster: thats what the syslogs are for |
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| 03:34.17 | troubled | segfaults are telltale of buffer attacks (ie: core dumps) |
| 03:34.46 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, troubled , going by your logic, if we trusted our bank employees, we should remove all the vaults in the back and take down the security cameras, cause they are trusted and if we did not trust them we should not have hired them.....after all watching them with cameras and stuff is plain wrong and an invasion of privacy! |
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| 03:35.31 | troubled | Trentster: thats a different type of business though. Its like residential vs. military requirements |
| 03:36.17 | Trentster | troubled, well then you shouldent assume I am running only community servers where we are all friends and love each other...should you? |
| 03:36.21 | troubled | Trentster: i believe certain classificiations like C2 and such cover that. Like mandatory auditing of any/all events. etc |
| 03:36.56 | troubled | Trentster: well, I know your not military, cause they don't come on irc without a how to snoop on linux :) |
| 03:37.06 | troubled | s/a/a clue/ |
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| 03:37.50 | Trentster | lol, i dont work for a bank either just tryin to makea point |
| 03:38.41 | troubled | Trentster: so are we in a way I suppose. You sound like some avg joe like the rest of us who let a friend on his home pc, and wants to snoop on him. which we don't exactly feel the need to help you with |
| 03:38.46 | troubled | |read| |
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| 03:39.53 | sn9_ | hmm, this channel is still way bigger than on oftc |
| 03:40.14 | jetscreamer | so does selinux address this type of stuff, or is that also more outward |
| 03:40.14 | troubled | Trentster: keep in mind though that even banks and military may not snoop in realtime. Theres a difference between actively watching someone and auditing your system using a baseline to detect any anomilies |
| 03:40.51 | troubled | ya, i think selinux is part of their solution (the auditing part of C2+ at least) |
| 03:41.05 | troubled | sorry, forget the name of it all. some "criteria" |
| 03:41.09 | jetscreamer | you typed c2 and that rang a bell |
| 03:41.15 | Trentster | no actually its a mail server that a lot of our client domains use.....and a lot of third parties have had access to it, there are a lot of accounts for ssh tunnels and openvpn etc as well for smtp routing, and we have an unknown logged in from a location that we dont know.... |
| 03:41.19 | jetscreamer | not that i know anything about it |
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| 03:41.46 | Trentster | and I am trying to figure out if the account logged in is responsible for creating a tenfold increase in average cpu load... |
| 03:41.47 | troubled | jetscreamer: theres more than c2, but that seems to be the more important one and one that novell and others have aqurired |
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| 03:42.09 | troubled | anything higher and you basically have to remove all nic's and disconnect it from the net and make it standalone iirc |
| 03:43.07 | troubled | !listkeys c2 |
| 03:43.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'c2' by key (15 of 405): abc2ps ;; c2ps ;; glibc2.1-slink ;; rfc2006 ;; rfc2018 ;; rfc2055 ;; rfc2063 ;; rfc2075 ;; rfc2103 ;; rfc2164 ;; rfc2186 ;; rfc2196 ;; rfc2227 ;; rfc2282 ;; rfc269. |
| 03:43.41 | troubled | well, perhaps google would be a better choice :) try "common criteria" perhaps? (sorrt, browser not handy atm) |
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| 03:49.02 | troubled | !ping |
| 03:49.02 | dpkg | pong |
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| 03:51.55 | Rusty1 | man top |
| 03:53.10 | troubled | Rusty1: wrong window :) |
| 03:53.28 | Rusty1 | noted |
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| 03:58.54 | family | what site carries a validation for their packages i just spent 20 minutes waiting for cdebootstrap to download etch and it poped up E: Couldnt Validate Realease! |
| 04:00.01 | Rusty1 | Trentster: , troubled perhaps a running top (with appropriate options) could capture the "offending" user |
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| 04:00.34 | troubled | Rusty1: unlikely if they have root and you have a module enabled kernel |
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| 04:02.25 | troubled | Rusty1: really, the only thing you can do is verify the baseline/checksums using trusted media booted up seperately. otherwise the tools to check could be comprimised as well |
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| 04:04.51 | Rusty1 | troubled: if that is in fact what's happening, what I'm suggesting might help pinpoint it ? |
| 04:04.54 | Gm4n | can I raid5 a combination of external USB and firewire drives (same size)? |
| 04:05.37 | Spigot | Gm4n: I can't help you, but I'm curious as to why you want to. |
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| 04:05.55 | Gm4n | have two already of matching sizes, it's the cheapest method |
| 04:06.27 | troubled | Rusty1: modified kernel and/or modules |
| 04:07.59 | troubled | Rusty1: although you can insert modules from anywhere really so you would need a full system scan for anything out of the ordinary. it could even be as sneaky as steganography hidden inside files and loaded via ramdisk via startup scripts. thats why its important to baseline the whole fs |
| 04:08.05 | simonrvn | Gm4n: shouldn't matter since they're the same size. don't expect similar performance however ;) |
| 04:08.11 | Gm4n | ;) |
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| 04:10.30 | Rusty1 | troubled: I understand, I just wonder if this particular issue is due to a nefarious exploit, or a rogue user |
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| 04:10.47 | Spigot | I missed the opening of this security conversation, but couldn't you make a non-modular kernel with identical functionality (on a different system for more paranoia) and then boot from that, considering it trustworthy? |
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| 04:11.10 | troubled | Rusty1: well, the relationship of the user to the system doesnt really matter |
| 04:11.30 | Rusty1 | true enough |
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| 04:12.13 | troubled | although someone with local access and ability to get past the firewall has a better shot at it as probably around 80% of exploits are local only |
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| 04:13.43 | Rusty1 | which begs the question, could iptables be employed to since the ip of the user in question is known |
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| 04:15.20 | troubled | Rusty1: as I said before, if the attack involves them getting root at all or the ability to insert their own code into a running kernel, nothing can be trusted as they can reprogram the kernel to hide anything they want, including their IP if its remote |
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| 04:16.54 | richd | I believe that make is deleting the contents of the curent folder. anyone have any ideas why? |
| 04:18.19 | Spigot | so boot a trusted, nonmodular kernel from a read-only media, and compare the results of the normal utilities to baseline ones (also running in some read-only way) running on the baseline kernel? |
| 04:18.26 | richd | also, can someone name some random tar.gz for me to go dl and try make with to make sure of my suspicions? |
| 04:18.43 | troubled | Spigot: basically |
| 04:19.00 | troubled | of course then you get into the realm of hash collisions |
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| 04:19.18 | Spigot | troubled: so is this discussion in the pure theoretical realm, then? |
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| 04:20.16 | Spigot | or is this person actually worried about rootkits that have identical results to multiple different hashes gathered under noncompromised circumstances? |
| 04:20.18 | troubled | Spigot: sorta. I dont think were actually talking about a real situation, more what if, but the theory does apply to real life |
| 04:20.36 | Spigot | troubled: ah, ok. I missed the opening so I wasn't sure if this was practical vs. theory |
| 04:21.42 | Rusty1 | troubled: I tHought we were talking about Trentster 's |
| 04:22.21 | troubled | I think thats where it started, but he just wants to spy on his user(s) ;) |
| 04:22.59 | Spigot | back to armchair security it is, then |
| 04:23.01 | Rusty1 | troubl nonetheless your reply's have given me plenty to sleep on |
| 04:23.17 | Rusty1 | to sleep, perhaps to chroot |
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| 04:34.54 | family | #dfsbuild |
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| 04:35.50 | richd | what is the BEST way to go from etch to lenny? distupgrade? through aptitude? just do a netinstall of lenny and wipe my etch? other? |
| 04:36.13 | Spigot | richd: Not sure about best, but the last option sounds easiest. |
| 04:36.32 | family | why? |
| 04:36.32 | family | richd i heard so many problems with lenny |
| 04:36.46 | richd | Spigot: but then, i have to get all my packages again, and configure all my setting\shortcuts and such |
| 04:36.52 | lithophyte | nvidia-glx conflicts with xorg? uhg |
| 04:37.07 | lithophyte | this is what I get for going to unstable |
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| 04:37.17 | richd | family: because I want a later version of the linux kernel |
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| 04:37.42 | Noborusan | how do i remove a rule in iptables which is created by fail2ban? |
| 04:37.47 | family | why not upgrade your kernel? |
| 04:38.00 | Noborusan | Chain fail2ban-proftpd (1 references) |
| 04:38.02 | richd | i cant see anything newer |
| 04:38.02 | family | 2.6.22.3-rc1-slh-smp-2 |
| 04:38.07 | richd | the latest i see is |
| 04:38.16 | richd | 2.6.18-5 |
| 04:38.17 | Supaplex | !tell richd -about etch->lenny |
| 04:38.35 | family | do a apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 04:38.43 | family | they will show you alot |
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| 04:41.51 | family | im gona kill my self damn dfsbuild wont verify my release |
| 04:42.37 | family | E: Couldn't validate Release |
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| 04:44.23 | rhz | If sound comes through the internal speaker instead of headphones when they are plugged in, is it possible this is because of the OS, not the hardware? If so, is there something I can do to change this? |
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| 04:44.25 | richd | family: yeah, i still only found up to 2.6.18-5 as latest from there |
| 04:44.35 | family | aww okay |
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| 04:45.11 | sithTUX | hey guys, gentoo user here |
| 04:45.17 | richd | family: i am just mad at my current kernel bc when i am doing make with this one folder, it deletes the contents!!!! |
| 04:45.42 | sithTUX | i never had the chance to work with debain alot, i just want to ask, can one have the same freedom of compiling everything with debain |
| 04:45.52 | sithTUX | err debian |
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| 04:46.16 | sithTUX | and i do mean by compiling : the gentoo way |
| 04:46.23 | troubled | rhz: are you using the right size jack? is it pushed in all the way? most jacks I know of have a physical piece of metal that seperates when you plug in something to disable normal output |
| 04:46.38 | Spigot | sithTUX: if you want to compile something, you still can. |
| 04:46.44 | richd | sithTUX: which is? someof us only use debian... |
| 04:46.46 | Spigot | sithTUX: you just won't be using apt. |
| 04:47.11 | Spigot | richd: I presume he means "compiling a package from source with configurable dependencies" |
| 04:47.16 | rhz | troubled: tried two pairs of headphones and they both didn't seem to work. |
| 04:47.22 | troubled | rhz: although I am thinking more of say a stero jack than a sound card which could have a seperate jack for headphones |
| 04:47.27 | sithTUX | yeap this is wat i ment |
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| 04:47.39 | sithTUX | ummm |
| 04:47.51 | sithTUX | tempting debian is ... |
| 04:48.18 | Spigot | sithTUX: I went from gentoo to debian recently. Losing some flexibility when you don't really care is worth not having to spend 16 hours installing. |
| 04:48.24 | richd | sithTUX: indeed so, plus its not bloated with crap, and dpkg pwns all for package management |
| 04:48.49 | richd | imho... |
| 04:48.54 | rhz | troubled: tried plugging into the sound card's jack for headphones but sound still came through the internal speaker. |
| 04:49.02 | Spigot | richd: actually, emerge is a pretty sweet manager. It's just that I see no benefit in compiling random crap applications i'll use twice in a year. |
| 04:49.16 | Spigot | other than "zomg 2 more fps in kolourpaint" |
| 04:49.24 | sithTUX | Spigot 16 hours ?? man this is my 3rd day installing ! i can't open my eyes anymore !!! see y i want to change :( though ... i like gentoo |
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| 04:50.04 | Spigot | sithTUX: after you get all of kde in five minutes, including download time, you'll stop caring about those dependencies. |
| 04:50.07 | richd | Spigot: is ti better than dpkg though? i cant dispute your optionio of course, but which do you think is better? |
| 04:50.14 | family | Release.gpg this is the thing the debootstrap is trying to validate what can i put in here to validate it |
| 04:50.18 | sithTUX | Spigot do u regret the change ? |
| 04:50.25 | Spigot | sithTUX: nope. |
| 04:50.25 | sithTUX | or the migration should i say |
| 04:50.41 | Spigot | richd: if compilation was instantaneous, i'd say it was far superior |
| 04:50.41 | richd | opinion* |
| 04:50.53 | Spigot | richd: however, it's not. so there's a fairly large tradeoff. |
| 04:51.07 | richd | wow, that's pretty swwet. but yeah, compiling can take a while... |
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| 04:52.00 | Spigot | there's pretty tangible benefits to compiling and optimizing some things for your machine - kernel, X, wm. But other things (openoffice) are not worth the time (multiple days for OO) spent. |
| 04:52.35 | Spigot | granted, OO and firefox have precompiled packages, but there's not enough of those around |
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| 04:53.37 | richd | Spigot: oh yeah, definately, but in my expierence, you can optimize pretty well with it (i mean recompiling kernel and removing stuff you dont want) |
| 04:54.18 | Spigot | richd: yeah. If I cared, I could still optimize the big things for my system on debian. But I haven't. |
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| 04:54.49 | sithTUX | so to sum up |
| 04:55.22 | Spigot | sithTUX: if you go debian, you'll have a working system within like an hour of burning the cd. |
| 04:55.30 | Spigot | sithTUX: that's about the most appealing argument I can make |
| 04:55.32 | sithTUX | i can still compile anything from source in deb, (hence the gentoo freedom) yet i can rely on apt to get my open office :D |
| 04:56.04 | sithTUX | is it right ? |
| 04:56.10 | Spigot | sithTUX: yeah |
| 04:56.15 | sithTUX | (the sentence i wrote ) |
| 04:56.17 | sithTUX | cool |
| 04:56.24 | sithTUX | debian it is then |
| 04:56.30 | Spigot | sithTUX: compiling will be more difficult than "emerge package", but it's an option if you need it |
| 04:56.32 | slapfaceware | how can i check what services a server is running |
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| 04:57.21 | sithTUX | Spigot make .config n stuff right ?? |
| 04:57.56 | Spigot | sithTUX: more like actual 'make'. Since you don't compile most things there's no global compiler options file |
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| 04:58.22 | sithTUX | oh |
| 04:58.49 | richd | can anyone make mroe sense of this? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=470805 I have been looking at it, but don't really get it... |
| 04:58.52 | sithTUX | umm i can live with that as long as i can recompile thy kernel and X |
| 04:59.12 | richd | doh |
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| 04:59.15 | richd | not that link |
| 04:59.40 | richd | http://pastebin.com/m7e37afba that one. any help here? |
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| 05:00.27 | Spigot | sithTUX: kernel is trivial. |
| 05:00.38 | Spigot | sithTUX: X is marginally harder. |
| 05:01.36 | Spigot | richd: this is a fresh set of sources? how'd you setup the config? |
| 05:01.43 | sithTUX | Spigot i think im gonna take the chance :-) @@ read some stuff |
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| 05:02.51 | richd | Spigot: which config? |
| 05:02.54 | richd | ./configure? |
| 05:04.46 | Spigot | richd: bah, one sec. I misread it |
| 05:05.11 | richd | Spigot: I am not going to ask you to hurry... |
| 05:05.18 | Spigot | richd: (this may be obvious to you) it's complaining about missing something in the linux-kernel sources |
| 05:05.26 | richd | yeah |
| 05:05.36 | Spigot | you have kernel sources and a proper config for them, doing the "make prepare" as it asked? |
| 05:05.45 | richd | but i am prepared to compile stuff, and have done it a number of times |
| 05:05.49 | Spigot | i'm just trying to catch up |
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| 05:06.18 | richd | actually |
| 05:06.35 | richd | make: *** No rule to make target `prepare'. Stop. |
| 05:06.43 | richd | after make prepare |
| 05:07.00 | richd | i thought i have my src |
| 05:07.13 | Spigot | just do a regular 'make' then and hope it got everything? I imagine it will |
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| 05:08.00 | richd | when i do make, the contents of the folder dissappear |
| 05:08.42 | Spigot | i mean a regular make in the kernel source folder |
| 05:08.50 | Spigot | in hopes that'll prepare all the files rtl needs |
| 05:08.51 | richd | lemme go try |
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| 05:09.45 | slapfaceware | is there way to check what services the server is running. |
| 05:10.08 | richd | i should be doing this in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 right? |
| 05:10.30 | richd | Spigot: it fails. sudo make fails too |
| 05:10.46 | Spigot | richd: uhh....I would do it in the actual kernel-sources folder |
| 05:10.57 | Spigot | I haven't done a kernel in debian in a long time, most my recent compiliations were gentoo |
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| 05:13.14 | phliver | im having a really hard time with permissions. i have a media directory and i want all files put in there to have read and write access only, by the media group. so i need to turn on the sticky bit.. |
| 05:13.31 | phliver | what is the numeric representation of that? |
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| 05:14.00 | richd | Spigot: i couldnt find a folder with kernel-source in its name, should i try to find 2.6...-source instead? |
| 05:15.19 | richd | phliver: chmod 760 would be all abils to owner(rwx), rw (but not exec) and nothing to others |
| 05:15.32 | phliver | should i do 'chmod -R 664'? for read and write by owner, read by world. and then just do 'chmod -R +s'? |
| 05:15.54 | richd | phliver: do you want others to be able to read? |
| 05:15.55 | phliver | its just pictures and music. i don't think anyone needs the ability to execute |
| 05:16.25 | phliver | richd: yeah i guess it does not matter. but i only want people in the media group to be able to write, therefore delete files |
| 05:16.27 | richd | so you want users of group media to be able to add stuff, but then only be able to remove their own stuff? |
| 05:16.27 | Spigot | richd: I think so. |
| 05:16.51 | Spigot | richd: give it a try, anyway. bumble around with kernel source until it stops being unable to find it. |
| 05:17.15 | phliver | richd: i guess it does not really matter if they can delete their own stuff or not.. |
| 05:17.37 | richd | phliver: well, if you set the sticybit, then they can only del their own stuff |
| 05:17.57 | phliver | lol now im confused. |
| 05:18.01 | richd | but mostly, you want other people not able to read or write? or do you want other people just not able to del? |
| 05:18.12 | phliver | i thought that if the sticky bit was set. anything that goes into the media directory inherits the folders permissions |
| 05:18.21 | richd | no |
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| 05:19.10 | richd | sticky means, able to del their own stuff only |
| 05:19.11 | phliver | i think if i set it 644 i should be good. owners can delete their own stuff. anybody can read any of those files |
| 05:19.18 | phliver | really? |
| 05:19.26 | richd | yeah |
| 05:19.37 | slapfaceware | is there way to check what services the server is running？？？？？？？？？？ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼ |
| 05:19.46 | Spigot | slapfaceware: ps aux(f)? |
| 05:19.49 | phliver | slapfaceware: omg |
| 05:19.52 | richd | phliver: you dont want to do 644 |
| 05:20.12 | phliver | richd: how about 640 |
| 05:20.18 | richd | phliver: you want more like 664 |
| 05:20.29 | Spigot | slapfaceware: `ps aux` |
| 05:20.40 | slapfaceware | i want to see all daemons runing |
| 05:20.42 | richd | or 1660 |
| 05:20.43 | slapfaceware | server |
| 05:20.44 | Spigot | slapfaceware: you are. |
| 05:20.48 | slapfaceware | like smtp, map |
| 05:20.49 | slapfaceware | nmap |
| 05:20.51 | slapfaceware | those kind of shit |
| 05:20.55 | Spigot | slapfaceware: you are seeing all processes running. |
| 05:21.03 | slapfaceware | ps aux gives me all processes, nooooo |
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| 05:21.08 | slapfaceware | i don't care about csh |
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| 05:21.10 | slapfaceware | or ksh |
| 05:21.10 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: then netstat -plunt |
| 05:21.12 | slapfaceware | or ls |
| 05:21.17 | Spigot | ??? |
| 05:21.18 | dondelelcaro | slapfaceware: and stop overusing enter, please. |
| 05:21.27 | slapfaceware | overusing? |
| 05:21.36 | richd | phliver: yeah, chmod 1664 will set sticky bit, allow grp:media to rw and others can read |
| 05:21.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell slapfaceware -about enter |
| 05:21.55 | richd | and owner rw too |
| 05:22.23 | richd | phliver: does that sound about right for what you want? |
| 05:22.37 | phliver | richd: ok, lets say i have a program that rips cds into this media directory. and i want those files to inherit the permissions of the folder it goes in. i seriously thought the sticky bit would do that |
| 05:23.00 | dondelelcaro | phliver: you really want to info coreutils 'File Permissions' and read about what the first octal does for directories. |
| 05:23.09 | dondelelcaro | phliver: it'll answer all of these questions for you. |
| 05:23.11 | phliver | richd: so yeah, thats the permissions i want. but i also want the files placed in that directory, to be added to the media group |
| 05:23.19 | Spigot | phliver: you could always do a recursive chmod/chgrp in a cronjob. |
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| 05:23.38 | dondelelcaro | (and it's called the sticky bit only for files, not directories; on directories it means restrictive deletion) |
| 05:23.47 | phliver | dondelelcaro: i've been reading up on it for a long time. i've been using linux for a long time. permissions and cron are just two things that i've had a hard time wrapping around my head |
| 05:23.55 | richd | phliver: ok,m i know what you mean, but i cant remember what that one is... |
| 05:24.06 | dondelelcaro | phliver: have you read that precise section of documentation? |
| 05:24.15 | Spigot | phliver: if you just want to set ther user & group, use chgrp -R /media/ |
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| 05:24.33 | Spigot | throw it on a timer and you have a non-elegant but fully-functional solution |
| 05:24.37 | phliver | Spigot: yeah i could teach my girlfriend to run that command everytime she rips a cd lol :) |
| 05:24.55 | dondelelcaro | phliver: Your question is answered by paragraph 10 there. |
| 05:24.57 | phliver | Spigot: i was kind of hoping there would be a more instant way than cron. but maybe its the only way |
| 05:25.04 | Spigot | phliver: perhaps your cd ripper has a "run when finished" command option? |
| 05:25.12 | Spigot | phliver: they often do |
| 05:25.23 | maddash | slapfaceware: whoa, nice "?" and "!" |
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| 05:26.10 | richd | phliver: there is a way |
| 05:26.15 | maddash | sudo aptitude |
| 05:26.19 | richd | i cant remember it rught now though |
| 05:26.24 | richd | maddash: lol |
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| 05:26.29 | maddash | whoops. |
| 05:26.29 | dondelelcaro | the way is g+s... |
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| 05:26.51 | richd | maddash: dont worry, i do 'exit' halt the time ... |
| 05:26.55 | richd | half* |
| 05:26.56 | dondelelcaro | but read info coreutils 'File Permissions'; if you didn't already know that. |
| 05:27.04 | phliver | dondelelcaro: im reading it now.. |
| 05:27.14 | Spigot | i've been known to 'ls' aim windows when i'm in the thick of things |
| 05:27.44 | richd | Spigot: lol |
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| 05:30.31 | richd | phliver: well, i hope i helped. good luck. I know there is a way, and its not hard. |
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| 05:30.51 | richd | Spigot: thanks for all your help and insight. have a good night all. its sleep time |
| 05:30.58 | Spigot | bye |
| 05:31.01 | richd | sudo halt |
| 05:31.02 | richd | :P |
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| 05:31.06 | phliver | richd: yeah you helped clear a few things up. i just need to read some more and actually start using it before i understand it well enough |
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| 05:33.58 | zf-daily | hi, for some reason, my box's date has been reset back to 2002. wtf? i didn't even do anything, why did this happen? so now my next questions. what is the best way to set current today's date ? |
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| 05:34.18 | phliver | zf-daily: i like using rdate |
| 05:34.48 | maddash | zf-daily: ntpdate |
| 05:35.07 | maddash | zf-daily: `aptitude install ntpdate; ntpdate-debian` |
| 05:35.24 | Spigot | zf-daily: probably your clock battery died |
| 05:35.27 | zf-daily | ntpdate said no server can be used |
| 05:35.31 | Spigot | zf-daily: did it reset when it was off? |
| 05:35.40 | zf-daily | well i think it did reboot or something |
| 05:35.42 | maddash | zf-daily: ntpdate-debian |
| 05:35.42 | zf-daily | dont know why? |
| 05:35.49 | zf-daily | is there way for me to find out why it happened? |
| 05:35.54 | Spigot | zf-daily: I can help you guess |
| 05:35.59 | Spigot | zf-daily: how old is the computer itself? |
| 05:36.03 | phliver | zf-daily: the little lithium ion battery could be dead. is it like a 10 year old pc? |
| 05:36.52 | Spigot | zf-daily: they can go bad after a few years sometimes; if you have a voltmeter, probe it. On most motherboards it's the disky watch-style batter ywhich is easily replacable |
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| 05:39.55 | phliver | ahah! this was the explanation i was looking for earlier. sorry for the spam but i can't help it: setuid and setgid flags on a directory have an entirely different meaning. Directories with the setgid permission will force all files and sub-directories created in them to be owned by the directory group and not the group of the user creating the file. The setgid flag is inherited by newly created subdirectories. |
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| 05:40.47 | dalias | setgid dirs are very useful for primitive collaboration setups |
| 05:41.31 | phliver | dalias: i just want all the users on my desktop pc to be able to log in and play the music that i rip basically |
| 05:41.44 | phliver | and i want to play the music they rip. |
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| 05:42.37 | zf-daily | thx fixed it |
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| 05:50.56 | sithTUX | k guys now im really going off my mind here. i just finished installing debian using the netinst CD, and everything is fine(minimal system) i can ping everything normally, wget anything ... yet i can't make apt-get to connect to the sources !! |
| 05:51.00 | sithTUX | any help ? |
| 05:51.26 | phliver | sithTUX: did you edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and do 'apt-get update' yet? |
| 05:51.36 | sithTUX | philips yes |
| 05:51.38 | gonzaloaf | hi, when my system boots I see lines like those: http://pastebin.ca/701579 I think something is wrong with hdd, what do I have to do? |
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| 05:52.13 | phliver | sithTUX: whats the error you get? |
| 05:53.11 | sithTUX | phliver it says: connecting to security.debian.org:80 (1.0.0.0) no route to host |
| 05:53.25 | sithTUX | wats the 1.0.0.0 i have no clue |
| 05:53.41 | gonzaloaf | sithTUX, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:53.57 | phliver | yeah can you 'ping google.com'? |
| 05:54.00 | sithTUX | gonzaloaf been there done that |
| 05:54.09 | sithTUX | phliver yeap i can ping anything i want |
| 05:54.13 | phliver | whats the deb line in your sources.list? |
| 05:54.19 | gonzaloaf | sithTUX, do you have a route? run the 'route' command, what you got? |
| 05:54.32 | sithTUX | phliver its the defaults one i didn't mess with it |
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| 05:55.01 | phliver | put your sources.list into a http://rafb.net/paste/ or something |
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| 05:55.02 | sithTUX | gonzaloaf yes i have a route and it displays the address of my dsl modem perfectly |
| 05:55.04 | sithTUX | :( |
| 05:55.08 | sithTUX | im going nuts |
| 05:55.32 | gonzaloaf | sithTUX, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 05:55.59 | sithTUX | ok hold on |
| 05:56.24 | sithTUX | but i know 100% its not the source file but let me get it 1 sec |
| 05:56.35 | phliver | gonzaloaf: if you think your hdd is bad. you should get the dft .iso file from http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/downloads/dft32_v409_b00.iso |
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| 05:56.59 | phliver | its the drive fitness test. it will run an HDD test |
| 05:57.04 | dongs | why i cant ping device connecting to my pppoe-server. |
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| 05:57.07 | dongs | is there some default route or other stuff i need to setup. |
| 05:57.23 | Selenolycus | Anyone else here use Xfce4? I can't find the volume control applet X_X |
| 05:57.34 | dongs | Selenolycus: look on your speakers. |
| 05:57.39 | dongs | find volume knob. |
| 05:57.40 | dongs | turn. |
| 05:57.45 | gonzaloaf | phliver, did you see what I pastebin? |
| 05:57.51 | phliver | yeah |
| 05:57.54 | dongs | but i dont see a point of adjusting volume of pc speaker beeps. |
| 05:57.58 | dongs | can someone help me with pppoe-server. |
| 05:58.02 | gonzaloaf | phliver, what do you think? |
| 05:58.07 | Selenolycus | dongs: Heard of headphones? |
| 05:58.08 | dongs | i dont understand what its supposed to do. |
| 05:58.15 | Bogus8 | anyone in here do freelance contract computer work? (do it all kind of guy?) |
| 05:58.42 | phliver | gonzaloaf: it looks a little unnerving |
| 05:58.43 | Gm4n | Bogus8: sorta |
| 05:59.00 | gonzaloaf | phliver, so? |
| 05:59.24 | sithTUX | ok guys |
| 05:59.27 | phliver | gonzaloaf: you do a bad block check when you formatted it? i still think you should run the dft program |
| 05:59.28 | sithTUX | here's the list |
| 05:59.29 | gonzaloaf | phliver, can you explain 'unnerving' ? |
| 05:59.30 | sithTUX | http://rafb.net/p/V4NmzY89.html |
| 05:59.36 | Bogus8 | Gm4n: wondering how do you charge if you write a simple script... do you charge the actual time it took to write it? what if it's really just moding something you wrote before for another client? |
| 05:59.49 | sithTUX | phliver n gonzaloaf the list is urs |
| 06:00.03 | phliver | deprived of courage and strength; "the steeplejack, exhausted and unnerved, couldn't hold on to his dangerous perch much longer" |
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| 06:00.06 | Gm4n | Bogus8: I'd charge on total time, subtracting 1/2 of the time it took to learn whatever the script was interacting with |
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| 06:00.34 | Gm4n | so 100% of writing time, 100% of understanding time, and 50% of the time you spent learning about whatever the script interacts with |
| 06:01.01 | Bogus8 | Gm4n: sounds fair... I'm glad you mentioned the "learning" part because it always seems you have to research something with every new situation |
| 06:01.14 | gonzaloaf | phliver, what is it? I have lvm, maybe it will corrupt my system |
| 06:01.49 | threat | Bogus8: of corse |
| 06:01.58 | phliver | gonzaloaf: it does not destroy data, all it does is check the smart data and then do a bad block check. i use it at work all the time |
| 06:01.59 | gonzaloaf | sithTUX, you miss some lines |
| 06:02.03 | threat | Bogus8: Research is good :) |
| 06:02.15 | phliver | gonzaloaf: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm |
| 06:02.15 | Bogus8 | threat: do you also do freelance work? |
| 06:02.26 | threat | ok |
| 06:02.29 | Gm4n | Bogus8: I mean, there's no exact way to do it, but I figure they hire me expecting I know some stuff, so I charge only 50% of the groundwork time |
| 06:02.29 | gonzaloaf | phliver, is it a bootable cd? |
| 06:02.31 | threat | Bogus8: yes |
| 06:02.33 | phliver | sithTUX: so you have the security reponsitory in there.. |
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| 06:02.44 | threat | Bogus8: self employed contractor at the momment |
| 06:02.44 | gonzaloaf | sithTUX, what did you installed? |
| 06:02.48 | Bogus8 | threat: what is your take on said situation and the like |
| 06:02.49 | phliver | gonzaloaf: yeah. get the dft .iso file. burn it to a disc, and boot it |
| 06:02.52 | Bogus8 | same here |
| 06:03.03 | dongs | does anyone here use lunix for anything useful or do you just waste your day 24/7 editing some gay desktop config file |
| 06:03.10 | threat | Bogus8: up to you :) |
| 06:03.13 | dongs | i require help w/pppoe-server kthx |
| 06:03.18 | sithTUX | gonzaloaf nothing just the base system no x nothing ! |
| 06:03.27 | gonzaloaf | sithTUX, I mean etch? |
| 06:03.33 | geo-rge | dongs: /msg dpkg ask to ask |
| 06:03.36 | sithTUX | oh yeah etch |
| 06:03.39 | dongs | i already asked my question |
| 06:03.48 | threat | Bogus8: Depends how long it takes me to write it, and it is custom for just one client I usually charge the time taken. |
| 06:03.50 | Bogus8 | Gm4n: yeah, exactly... I pretty much give them a good bit of my time if it's something of windows that I don't know because that is really rare stuff (or I charge full time as it's something crazy)... I just never really did much scripting for clients yet |
| 06:03.59 | geo-rge | you must want to annoy helpers |
| 06:04.19 | Bogus8 | Gm4n, threat: what if you are sorta recycling something from another client? |
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| 06:04.43 | Bogus8 | maybe only need to tweak 10-20% |
| 06:04.45 | geo-rge | dongs: actually my response to you needs to be a bit stronger... fuck off |
| 06:04.46 | Gm4n | Bogus8: I charge for full time understanding & modifying code, as I mentioned earlier |
| 06:04.48 | gonzaloaf | sithTUX, add those lines http://pastebin.ca/701581 |
| 06:05.14 | greed | Hey guys, I have the dreaded apache 2.2 Errors on everything "I get errors starting for Order, AddType, ScriptAlias etc |
| 06:05.15 | Bogus8 | Gm4n: so the first client that you write the script for pays for the brunt of the cost of that script for everyone after that? |
| 06:05.15 | threat | Bogus8: I usually have a minimum charge, 30 minute intervals |
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| 06:05.21 | gonzaloaf | phliver, maybe I can use some linux tool? |
| 06:05.23 | wayg | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.25 | greed | Any1 know how I can fix this, Or where I stand ? |
| 06:05.28 | wayg | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.34 | wayg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:05.39 | geo-rge | !ops wayg |
| 06:05.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: geo-rge complains about: wayg |
| 06:05.40 | maddash | wayg: fuck off |
| 06:05.46 | threat | Bogus8: so I charge the minimum + call out fee if I have to go onsite, or sometimes I just dont charge them if it is a 2 or 5 minute job that can be done remotely |
| 06:05.56 | Gm4n | well, Bogus8, one would hope there's some documentation ;-) |
| 06:06.00 | phliver | gonzaloaf: yeah. smartctl |
| 06:06.07 | phliver | gonzaloaf: or smartutils |
| 06:06.16 | Bogus8 | Gm4n: how do you mean? |
| 06:06.33 | phliver | gonzaloaf: im sorry. smartmontools. read up on that |
| 06:06.34 | threat | Bogus8: Depending on the client (if they ring up heaps) I will acculute my time taken and bill them when it reeches my minimum |
| 06:06.38 | Bogus8 | threat: yeah, I have lots of "regulars" that I stop in and take care of things quite often for no charge |
| 06:06.38 | sithTUX | gonzaloaf i will add those thanks, but man this will not solve the problem. the problem is not with the site, its with the system, apt just simply can't access the internet correctly and i have no idea why |
| 06:06.40 | Gm4n | Bogus8: if code is well-commented and well-written, it shouldn't take much time to get up to speed |
| 06:06.42 | threat | accumulate even |
| 06:06.48 | greed | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration <=-- What am I missing ? Is the debian apache2.2 package broken ? |
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| 06:07.01 | gonzaloaf | phliver, what about e2fsk ? |
| 06:07.11 | Bogus8 | Gm4n: that's what I'm saying... but that said script would take a good amount of time the first time you write it |
| 06:07.12 | gonzaloaf | phliver, 2fsck ? |
| 06:07.14 | threat | Bogus8: just keep a note on how much time you spend on those little jobs and you could charge them as support over a period of time |
| 06:07.15 | dongs | hello, need help with pppoe-server how do I get the remote machine to actually become routeable on my lan. |
| 06:07.27 | threat | Bogus8: although I usually don't do that, depending if I liek the client or not :P |
| 06:07.30 | phliver | sithTUX: that just does not sound right. if ping can see resolve and see google.com. apt should have no problem |
| 06:07.48 | Bogus8 | threat: yeah, most take care of me, either give me a little more or hook me up with a product or service they provide |
| 06:07.50 | threat | Bogus8: If it is a client that I get good business off I usually don't charge them or accumulate those 3 or 5 minute jobs |
| 06:07.51 | geo-rge | dongs: man pppd |
| 06:07.54 | dongs | no |
| 06:08.02 | dongs | i need a specific example, not a fucking "man pppd" |
| 06:08.03 | geo-rge | then (again) fuck off |
| 06:08.08 | dongs | that does not solve my problem. |
| 06:08.11 | sithTUX | phliver i swear ur right and i know ur right ! but for a reason belive it or not it happening ! |
| 06:08.13 | maddash | sithTUX: your sources.list is pretty mangled |
| 06:08.27 | gonzaloaf | sithTUX, do you use a proxy to go to internet? |
| 06:08.28 | maddash | dongs: you need iptables for that |
| 06:08.30 | Bogus8 | lol @ geo-rge |
| 06:08.41 | dongs | why would I need iptables for that. |
| 06:08.42 | sithTUX | gonzaloaf nope no proxy |
| 06:08.48 | dongs | i want it routable on my lan only. |
| 06:08.55 | geo-rge | in case you didn't get it before, I have no interest in solving your problem if you don't try solving it yourself |
| 06:08.57 | dongs | and yes I enabled ip forwarding. |
| 06:09.18 | phliver | gonzaloaf: fsck to check for bad blocks, e2fsck to mark bad blocks, 'badblocks' is also a command. also look into smartmontools to check the smart data for errors |
| 06:09.40 | maddash | dongs: man pages can get pretty boring. http://atulchitnis.net/writings/palm-ppp.php |
| 06:09.41 | geo-rge | Bogus8: this is kinda fun :) |
| 06:10.01 | maddash | dongs: and ip forwarding means nothing without iptables |
| 06:10.06 | gonzaloaf | phliver, installing... |
| 06:10.23 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: yes, I don't have much tolerance for those that don't like to help themselves |
| 06:10.23 | geo-rge | well that's not quite true |
| 06:10.56 | dongs | maddash: what should I use for local address on the pppoe-server. |
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| 06:11.03 | geo-rge | Bogus8: yep, and he literally said "no" when requested to read something that can help him |
| 06:11.12 | maddash | dongs: have you read the link? |
| 06:11.15 | dongs | yes. |
| 06:11.16 | sithTUX | oh crap i give up |
| 06:11.20 | sithTUX | thanks anyways guys |
| 06:11.22 | dongs | it does not explain how it arrives at 99.1 |
| 06:11.27 | Bogus8 | geo-rge: yeah, I saw that... your reply was great... never seen you do that before ;) |
| 06:11.41 | maddash | it's arbitrary |
| 06:11.41 | geo-rge | I'm just a bit different now :) |
| 06:11.53 | phliver | gonzaloaf: 'smartctl -d ata -H /dev/hdd' or something similar |
| 06:12.04 | dongs | maddash: should/can/does it have to be/ same as the ethernet port pppoe is running on? |
| 06:12.06 | phliver | sithTUX: it really looks like a sources.list problem |
| 06:12.15 | phliver | sithTUX: try pinging the repos in your file |
| 06:12.32 | maddash | dongs: no/no/no/ |
| 06:12.32 | gonzaloaf | phliver, my disk is IDE |
| 06:12.36 | simonrvn | stew: i totally forgot about LiVES =). does exactly what i want it to do. |
| 06:12.53 | geo-rge | waduzido? |
| 06:13.11 | dongs | maddash: well, then once ppp0 is up, I can ping the 'local' address from my lan, but cannot ping the remote. |
| 06:13.13 | sithTUX | phliver no man its not the sources.list simply because i had gentoo on, and the same problem occured with emerge --sync, and i though gentoo went mad on me, ... |
| 06:13.19 | maddash | sithTUX: you've obviously modified your sources.list, because the file you dumped for us doesn't even contain a normal, non-security repository |
| 06:13.22 | dongs | so whats the problem. |
| 06:13.37 | maddash | dongs: depends on what you've done |
| 06:13.46 | dongs | just that. |
| 06:13.53 | maddash | just what? |
| 06:13.55 | sithTUX | maddash that's the basic file that i found :) i didn't alter anything |
| 06:13.59 | simonrvn | geo-rge: video editor |
| 06:14.03 | geo-rge | ahh |
| 06:14.15 | gonzaloaf | phliver, hdd is my dvd drive! |
| 06:14.21 | gonzaloaf | brb |
| 06:14.24 | dongs | machine A, 1.20 local address, pppoe client, assigned 1.21, pinging from 1.30 to 1.20 works, pinging from 1.30 to 1.21 doesnt. |
| 06:14.32 | Daveman | :O |
| 06:14.33 | maddash | dongs: what command did you issue? |
| 06:14.39 | dongs | for? |
| 06:14.44 | Daveman | DONGS! |
| 06:14.55 | dongs | pppoe-server -k -I eth1 -L localaddress |
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| 06:15.20 | sithTUX | wat is making me go crazy is that i can't really figure how can i have the box connected and everything working yet when i want to apt or emerge i can't connect ! now this is just fuckin amazing ! where's einstein when i fuckin need him |
| 06:15.46 | maddash | dongs: you don't want pppoe. it's pppd you want. read the link I sent you, for fuck's sake |
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| 06:16.04 | phliver | gonzaloaf: i said "or something similar". 'man smartctl'. ide = pata = ata. the only other options are scsi, marvell, and 3ware. change /dev/hdd to whatever your disk is |
| 06:16.08 | dongs | maddash: what? i need to connect a pppoe client to this machine. |
| 06:16.12 | dongs | it ONLY supports pppoe. |
| 06:16.21 | geo-rge | maddash: as you saw before, he's not so coperative |
| 06:16.47 | dongs | the connection is over ethernet. please explain how i would not need pppoe to achieve this. |
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| 06:17.29 | maddash | dongs: tell me, what EXACTLY do you want? |
| 06:17.38 | phliver | sithTUX: have you even tried pinging the repos in your sources.list. or adding different ones. or are you just going to deny up and down that it is the problem. |
| 06:17.48 | threat | Bogus8: What type of work you do? linux type stuff? |
| 06:17.48 | dongs | maddash: a pppoe client (hardware) connecting to my server and obtaining a local IP address. |
| 06:17.55 | phliver | sorry, that it is not the problem |
| 06:18.06 | maddash | dongs: then you want pppd, not pppoe. |
| 06:18.12 | phliver | er. i was right the first time |
| 06:18.23 | Bogus8 | threat: mostly windows support on desktops (you can't get away from that) but I've been moving into some server work and recommending linux |
| 06:18.42 | dongs | maddash: the hardware is connected by ethernet. |
| 06:18.53 | threat | Bogus8: true, I tried to but had to go to Windows since the AU government is in bed with microsoft |
| 06:18.55 | dongs | it needs to authenticate using pap/chap/whatever to my machine. |
| 06:19.10 | dongs | it has to use pppoe as thats the only way it can connect to a network. |
| 06:19.15 | sithTUX | phliver i did man ! u think im happy with this |
| 06:19.31 | threat | Bogus8: online bas / tax, as well as other funding requirements (for an organisation) needed to microsoft platform |
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| 06:19.47 | dongs | maddash: please explain why I do not need pppoe in this situation. |
| 06:19.49 | Bogus8 | threat: yeah, I have to use it in my home also for my Video and Audio work I do... and some remote PC work (I got about 25 PC's in the gulf of mexico I support remotely) |
| 06:19.59 | dongs | (and yes i did read the article, it talks about some USB connection to a palm) |
| 06:20.10 | threat | Bogus8: haha, really? How did you get the job? |
| 06:20.19 | maddash | dongs: you could be right about pppoe instead of pppd. But if it's already connected over lan, and all you want is an IP, wouldn't it be easier to use DHCP? |
| 06:20.33 | dongs | the hardware does not provide for that. |
| 06:20.36 | dongs | otherwise I would. |
| 06:20.36 | threat | Bogus8: remote PC work, you cannot just use rdesktop? or is it a citrix thing? |
| 06:20.40 | dongs | or just give it a static IP. |
| 06:21.06 | sn9_ | dongs: what hardware is it? |
| 06:21.06 | dongs | the hardware doesnt think its "connected" until it succeeds pppoe connection/authentication. |
| 06:21.11 | dongs | voip gateway. |
| 06:21.19 | sn9_ | dongs: make/model? |
| 06:21.28 | dongs | jap/irrelevant, you've never heard of it. |
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| 06:21.35 | dongs | but since you asked, pacsiaII. |
| 06:21.36 | sn9_ | i could google |
| 06:21.36 | Bogus8 | threat: kind of funny... I was just answering phones for my pop's at his satellite shop to help him out and a guy came in asking about VSAT stuff and I was like "I don't know" to all his questions and he said "you don't know much do you?" and I said "well I don't do this, I do computer work" and he said "hmm, I need a computer guy" and that was like almost 4 years ago :) |
| 06:21.42 | dongs | you wont find anything relevant. |
| 06:21.45 | maddash | dongs: then all I can suggest is to read the man page for pppoe, or google up some howto/tutorial/guide |
| 06:22.01 | dongs | maddash: i did. the connection works. now its just the routing of it, or so I assume. |
| 06:22.07 | threat | Bogus8: heh |
| 06:22.15 | dongs | some fucking around with route add -host etc seems to move packets one way but not the other etc. |
| 06:22.17 | maddash | dongs: "it"? |
| 06:22.20 | Bogus8 | threat: with the vsats and their slow speeds and delays using Remote Admin by Famsoft? seems to work best |
| 06:22.40 | threat | ok |
| 06:22.56 | geo-rge | how would pppd provide a name server address? |
| 06:23.16 | dongs | it already does, nameserver is irrelevant anyway as the device only accesses local net IPs. |
| 06:23.23 | maddash | geo-rge: 'msdns' |
| 06:23.24 | dongs | but its ms-dns or osmething in ppp options. |
| 06:23.26 | dongs | yeah |
| 06:23.37 | Bogus8 | threat: I moved to Houston for like 4 months then came back and realized I wasn't going to be able to make ends meet w/o the roommates I had before I left... so propsed they put me on retainer for twice what I was invoicing them for (it was 80% joke) and he said "ok" so that was 2k/month for almost nothing :) |
| 06:24.15 | threat | haha |
| 06:24.15 | threat | nice |
| 06:24.40 | geo-rge | is it like a phone? |
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| 06:24.45 | threat | Bogus8: let me know if you want to expand to AU :) |
| 06:24.50 | Bogus8 | threat: I've sometimes have to use vnc's single click thing where they initiate the connection to me and it is noticably slower and disconects more often then Remote Admin... I really wanted to use VNC as it has some cool features |
| 06:24.51 | threat | hehe |
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| 06:25.10 | threat | Bogus8: so use it :) |
| 06:25.12 | Bogus8 | threat: lol, they got much oil/gas production out there? ;) |
| 06:25.35 | threat | Bogus8: AU stole alot from East temor :) |
| 06:25.40 | Bogus8 | threat: but I need what works best... with ping times at around 1600ms I really can't tollerate anything less |
| 06:25.49 | threat | yeah |
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| 06:25.59 | sn9_ | dongs: iptables can handle that. if you don't want to spend a ton of time learning it, apt-get install firestarter |
| 06:26.05 | Bogus8 | threat: that's not cool... East Temor has been through enough |
| 06:26.38 | threat | Bogus8: yeah, they got into shit for that a few years back, I don't know what has been done about it now. |
| 06:27.13 | threat | Bogus8: although AU has helped alot in east temor, still no excuse to steal their oil, but I think they had some aggreement there |
| 06:27.26 | threat | or do now :) |
| 06:27.33 | Bogus8 | threat: all throughout the vietnam era they were getting trampled on |
| 06:27.41 | threat | yeah |
| 06:27.51 | dongs | sigh |
| 06:27.56 | threat | dongs: sup? :) |
| 06:27.56 | geo-rge | it's pretty obvious that there are several avenues to get your voip device connected... only problem is, each of them have their own rules and material |
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| 06:28.18 | threat | geo-rge: I would ust asterisk :) |
| 06:28.23 | threat | ust = use |
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| 06:29.35 | minerale | so I'm trying to block myself from surfing the web -- until I finish certain important projects, how can I add all slashdot subdomains to my /etc/hosts file? |
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| 06:29.57 | geo-rge | why does the thing only contact local IPs? so it doesn't need a gateway then, and inability to contact certain other ips (on the other side of a gateway) is irrelevent and some software for the device needs to be running on one of the machines on the local net? |
| 06:30.08 | maddash | rofl |
| 06:30.34 | geo-rge | or is it even worse than that: the software must be running on the other side of the ppp link? |
| 06:30.34 | sn9_ | minerale: there are two ways |
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| 06:30.53 | sn9_ | 1) run BIND or similar |
| 06:31.48 | sn9_ | 2) filter port 80 traffic that contains the text "slashdot" using iptables |
| 06:31.48 | ma3x | I receive this error daily something must be wrong with the locale what do I do? http://paste.debian.net/37422 |
| 06:31.53 | geo-rge | 3) apply some self dicipline? |
| 06:32.23 | geo-rge | yes I know that is the hard one... |
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| 06:33.25 | sn9_ | well, one can employ all 3 methods, too |
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| 06:34.18 | geo-rge | don't fire up web broswer... or replace web browser button with nipple shock aligator clips |
| 06:34.18 | maddash | ma3x: `dpkg-reconfigure locales` |
| 06:34.38 | geo-rge | hit button... ZZZZZZAPPP! |
| 06:34.42 | maddash | all my self-discipline died with the depression |
| 06:35.54 | minerale | geo-rge: I'll be trying to think of a solution, I'll think hard, close my eyes, then I'd notice that the web browser is not loading the page -- and remember I'd unplugged my computer from the network to avoid wasting time online -- and without even knowing my fingers have opened a new tab and typed slashdot.org in the location bar |
| 06:36.21 | ma3x | ls |
| 06:36.55 | Supaplex | ma3x: 0 files and many irc users found. |
| 06:37.00 | geo-rge | minerale: not gethegirl.com? :) |
| 06:37.05 | ma3x | haha |
| 06:37.59 | geo-rge | you need more conscious control of your hands bub :P |
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| 06:38.40 | sn9_ | "i, for one, welcome our new firewall overlords..." |
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| 06:39.05 | ma3x | maddash, after reconfiguring the locales, lc_all is still not set |
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| 06:39.49 | geo-rge | sn9_: if it's overlords you want, watch this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173 |
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| 06:40.33 | sn9_ | geo-rge: is that something gnash will play? |
| 06:40.36 | maddash | ma3x: `aptitude install localization-config` |
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| 06:41.21 | geo-rge | no idea |
| 06:41.31 | ma3x | maddash, Package localization-config is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 06:41.54 | phliver | sn9_: you can download the .flv file and play it with vlc |
| 06:41.59 | geo-rge | it's either a really interesting and scary flick, or the ravings of a total nutcase |
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| 06:42.38 | phliver | sn9_: wget 'http://vp.video.google.com/videodownload?version=0&secureurl=uAAAAK3KcKRelr26aPNr_zdxyF9OzeADBqH_R4i1MkMrlpiesWLKMTHupcsHaH-FD45g2Pj1dmwKQOcjJ7VWuqbVrSuZZ3GCWtbdaod4vt8-DyjzCt62USg836r3ANhSuxiHaX64Hdaw0UH68xCm2WEz9qBCn5eqUCgx5lvj4WSwlwhSdjU_Qp7uOIV5q1j4ZcVL_7uLjD3g7P44X9Pju1mbsqm8zLWCvp6Z-7-bL0N4jEkEqy-FbYMp24dOV7GqL7E41Q&sigh=ExYpCE1TEzNUythpezYsW4Qw5_8&begin=0&len=6676399&docid=-1656880303867390173&thumbnailUrl=http://video.googl |
| 06:42.45 | phliver | woah sorry |
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| 06:43.22 | sn9_ | ...and that's still not the whole url... |
| 06:43.42 | simonrvn | aptitude install youtube-dl{or clive} |
| 06:43.53 | dongs | or you can just like... |
| 06:44.01 | dongs | open the page and click "download", wow thats so hard. |
| 06:44.04 | maddash | ma3x: no clue, then. |
| 06:44.05 | simonrvn | clive can handle video.google |
| 06:44.25 | phliver | sn9_: yeah thats not right |
| 06:44.31 | dongs | sooo |
| 06:44.33 | minerale | fi |
| 06:44.40 | dongs | why doesnt this work. |
| 06:45.06 | rahul | no |
| 06:45.09 | maddash | I thought vlc wasn't in the repo |
| 06:45.13 | rahul | ding dong |
| 06:45.21 | geo-rge | hello? |
| 06:45.22 | rahul | !penixstrike dongs |
| 06:45.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dongs to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:45.28 | rahul | olleh? |
| 06:45.48 | dongs | geo-rge: im still waiting for your great ideas |
| 06:45.48 | rahul | oh wait, no fucking with fire tonight |
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| 06:46.04 | geo-rge | dongs: you don't appear open to them |
| 06:46.22 | simonrvn | hello rahul |
| 06:46.34 | muh2000 | sn9_: phliver why not click the download button and have the google video as an avi ? |
| 06:46.37 | dongs | "man pppd" doesnt help me. |
| 06:46.41 | rahul | I'm rather driunk |
| 06:46.47 | simonrvn | maddash: it isn't (i think; probably debian-multimedia ?) |
| 06:46.48 | rahul | man dongs don't help me either |
| 06:46.52 | phliver | muh2000: i didnt see a download button for this video |
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| 06:47.01 | rahul | I'd rather have woman dongs |
| 06:47.04 | rahul | er I mean |
| 06:47.11 | rahul | JULIA |
| 06:47.15 | simonrvn | what, a tranny? :P |
| 06:47.17 | geo-rge | hermaphrodite? |
| 06:47.18 | rahul | mmm or alissa... |
| 06:47.22 | rahul | hahaha |
| 06:47.38 | rahul | damn. I seriously have to get tix from alissa |
| 06:47.46 | muh2000 | phliver: oh ^^ |
| 06:48.05 | rahul | and somehow bang julia at the same time |
| 06:48.16 | rahul | this is confusing |
| 06:48.33 | simonrvn | "at the *same* time"? :) |
| 06:48.37 | ma3x | do what package does /etc/locale.gen belong? |
| 06:48.40 | rahul | heh, and alissa's husband wants me to be friends with him on myspace |
| 06:48.42 | geo-rge | there's supposed to be a way to get pppd (which for the uninitiated, handles the ppp protocol) to attach to a eth interface |
| 06:48.51 | rahul | simonrvn: it's not my fault! |
| 06:48.53 | dongs | geo-rge: yes, its called pppoe-server |
| 06:48.57 | maddash | simonrvn: http://packages.debian.org/localization-config |
| 06:48.59 | rahul | simonrvn: she wants to go to these shows with me |
| 06:49.05 | rahul | or nearby in time |
| 06:49.08 | geo-rge | I havent' had to do it in years so I don't remember how I did it |
| 06:49.13 | RvGaTe | i was wondering if there was an easy way to read out dhpc leases (dhcpd3-server), and return a list of the computers in the network (last used hostname and mac) and its assigned ip adresses (this could be more then one, coz of some systems being dual boot)... i want this to be automated, but i have no idea how to do it easily with the dhcp3.leases file... (its sorted on ip adres, not hostname) |
| 06:49.14 | rahul | shit I gotta get some sleep |
| 06:49.16 | simonrvn | rahul: 'k |
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| 06:49.17 | maddash | dongs: man pppd only helps you if you want pppd. which you don't. |
| 06:49.32 | geo-rge | what's he want? |
| 06:49.40 | rahul | gotta write my blog crap about my weekend's insanity... which I don't fucking REMEMBER because of julia |
| 06:49.43 | simonrvn | geo-rge: there is. use the pppoe plugin for pppd |
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| 06:50.01 | rahul | she kept telling me to drink more :\ |
| 06:50.11 | geo-rge | is that a kernel module? or how does it plug in? |
| 06:50.15 | simonrvn | she wanted to see you get hammered |
| 06:50.16 | rahul | at least she did at one point... and then I don't remember |
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| 06:50.23 | simonrvn | geo-rge: /usr/lib/ppp or such |
| 06:50.28 | rahul | simonrvn: she supposedly got hammered too |
| 06:50.30 | geo-rge | rahul: pockets have holes in them now? wallet missing? :) |
| 06:50.35 | rahul | and she was all over me |
| 06:51.00 | simonrvn | hehe she made you brain dead :). |
| 06:51.04 | rahul | geo-rge: nothing noticeable. only as much money as is consisitent with her claims of how miuch alcohol we drank |
| 06:51.18 | rahul | the bouncer was complimenting me on her |
| 06:51.31 | rahul | hum |
| 06:51.34 | rahul | I wonder where frank was |
| 06:51.46 | rahul | he'd be having a frigging field day |
| 06:52.05 | simonrvn | i'm so glad i gave that lifestyle up ;) |
| 06:52.07 | GarryFre | Hmm sounds like you took a vacation from your mind. :) Not necessrily a bad thing. |
| 06:52.08 | rahul | he's gonna have pics, too |
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| 06:52.38 | geo-rge | except tomorrow's another day ^W hangover... |
| 06:52.44 | rahul | yeah |
| 06:52.47 | rahul | anothier hangover |
| 06:52.54 | rahul | she bothered me so long tonight |
| 06:53.01 | rahul | she was taped for her tv thing |
| 06:53.05 | GarryFre | I'm told that its more flexable if there ins't a support queston around. |
| 06:53.16 | simonrvn | indeed it is |
| 06:53.17 | rahul | yeah, I'll show her fleixble |
| 06:53.29 | RvGaTe | GarryFre: well, i asked a question :P |
| 06:53.34 | rahul | and yeah, take I'll take away the support |
| 06:53.43 | GarryFre | RvGaTe oops |
| 06:53.51 | rahul | whoomp, there she folds over |
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| 06:54.00 | simonrvn | RvGaTe: grep and awk? :) |
| 06:54.15 | geo-rge | awk and shaw |
| 06:54.16 | rahul | RvGaTe: if you use dnsmasq, just dig the domain |
| 06:54.16 | RvGaTe | simonrvn: i wish it was that easy, hehe |
| 06:54.27 | geo-rge | shawk n aw? |
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| 06:54.57 | enouf | ta tas? |
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| 06:55.03 | RvGaTe | some girl woke me up this morning... on my cellphone... |
| 06:55.08 | rahul | http://www.mrfwood.com/photos/070709/pages/DSCN0931.htm |
| 06:55.10 | rahul | heh |
| 06:55.10 | enouf | spam? |
| 06:55.11 | rahul | sweet |
| 06:55.20 | RvGaTe | she was from canada.... |
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| 06:55.25 | RvGaTe | and i live in holland |
| 06:55.26 | rahul | RvGaTe: aren't they all? |
| 06:55.32 | yos87 | hi |
| 06:55.33 | rahul | which one from canada? |
| 06:55.43 | yos87 | is there any log file for apt? |
| 06:55.55 | rahul | yos87: I think only for aptitude |
| 06:55.58 | maddash | yos87: /var/log/{aptitude,dpkg} |
| 06:56.09 | RvGaTe | rahul: the nice one... lol |
| 06:56.19 | maddash | rahul: wrong. |
| 06:56.25 | geo-rge | is the drummer any good? |
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| 06:56.32 | rahul | geo-rge: which one? |
| 06:56.35 | RvGaTe | simonrvn: found anything interesting? |
| 06:56.37 | rahul | geo-rge: all of them are |
| 06:56.44 | rahul | at least of the bands I've bene talking about |
| 06:56.56 | geo-rge | the chinese looking chick |
| 06:57.02 | rahul | chinese? |
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| 06:57.06 | rahul | oh. hitomi? |
| 06:57.10 | geo-rge | I guess she could be japanese |
| 06:57.11 | rahul | she's AWESOME |
| 06:57.13 | ma3x | can you type 'locale' and tell me what's your last line set to? |
| 06:57.20 | simonrvn | hitomi sounds like a japanese name |
| 06:57.24 | rahul | she's a frigging MONSTER |
| 06:57.33 | maddash | ma3x: "lc_all=" |
| 06:57.34 | ma3x | rahul, stop boasting, prove and give us some pictures |
| 06:57.42 | geo-rge | hi did |
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| 06:57.46 | rahul | ma3x: I'm not like that about hitomi |
| 06:57.56 | ma3x | rahul, how do you make up those names? |
| 06:58.00 | rahul | who? |
| 06:58.03 | rahul | ma3x: which ones? |
| 06:58.12 | predder | http://imagestore.ugbox.net/image/DSC00039_9d786d9c004205fd302ab27.jpg <-- I just found this dog outside.. what would you say the breed/colour is? |
| 06:58.12 | ma3x | all your cyber girlfriends |
| 06:58.21 | rahul | I don't have cyber gfs |
| 06:58.27 | rahul | I kinda wish I did, tho |
| 06:58.29 | RvGaTe | predder: human/ |
| 06:58.43 | ma3x | rahul, you don't have real ones either |
| 06:58.47 | RvGaTe | haha |
| 06:58.48 | ma3x | you're an impostor! :p |
| 06:58.51 | rahul | heh |
| 06:58.53 | rahul | I kinda don't |
| 06:58.56 | predder | hmm, wrong channel =\ |
| 06:58.59 | ma3x | there ya go |
| 06:59.01 | rahul | I tend to not take good care of them |
| 06:59.09 | RvGaTe | predder: cant you make it a bit smaller? takes a hell load of time t load |
| 06:59.16 | yos87 | maddash: the how can we know the applications installed or deleted? can we make log file for the apt? |
| 06:59.21 | ma3x | what, now you re imagining you're one night stand? |
| 06:59.29 | ma3x | dude, you're a computer geek, nothing more |
| 06:59.30 | phliver | ma3x: lol yeah, pics or it didn't happen |
| 06:59.31 | RvGaTe | yos87: dpkg -l |
| 06:59.38 | rahul | whaaa? |
| 06:59.39 | ma3x | definitely |
| 06:59.46 | rahul | cori played with stark????????? |
| 06:59.51 | enouf | ok, grep question - i've seen it done so i know it's possible; quick and dirty way to do (taken from lscpi -n) "grep 1106:3149 /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/modules.pcimap" and only return back (find) lines that have 0x00001106 0x00003149 (both) in their fields; i can do $ grep '1106 : 3149' /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/modules.pcimap and get either/or - and i know another way around this too (too many chars though) |
| 06:59.52 | ma3x | come on what's your blog url |
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| 06:59.55 | rahul | I thought julia had her down |
| 06:59.56 | simonrvn | RvGaTe: hmm, not easily... is there some util that will do this? |
| 07:00.05 | yos87 | RvGaTe: and the deleted packages? |
| 07:00.07 | ma3x | rahul, an obvious fake name |
| 07:00.11 | rahul | hahahahahaha franky had fun with her |
| 07:00.12 | ma3x | you should have chosen romeo |
| 07:00.15 | rahul | ma3x: cory yarkin |
| 07:00.19 | rahul | ma3x: look her up |
| 07:00.24 | rahul | she's some new pop star |
| 07:00.29 | geo-rge | enouf: grep ... | grep ... |
| 07:00.29 | ma3x | where? |
| 07:00.31 | rahul | never went to see her yet |
| 07:00.39 | rahul | ma3x: national in the US |
| 07:00.43 | RvGaTe | simonrvn: there is dhpc-status, but it aint in debian, and it will probably not work with dhcp3 |
| 07:00.49 | rahul | she's got some big backing or some bs |
| 07:00.51 | enouf | rahul: actually it's grep + xargs grep, but that i know ;-) |
| 07:00.53 | ma3x | rahul, pics dude |
| 07:00.55 | RvGaTe | simonrvn: *dhcp |
| 07:00.57 | rahul | julia made fun of her a lot |
| 07:00.59 | enouf | er |
| 07:01.03 | Supaplex | rahul: yea, well my email account just won 20million dollars. help me pay for the express delivery and I'll split it with you. ;) |
| 07:01.05 | rahul | ma3x: go up from the link I posted earlier |
| 07:01.06 | yos87 | and what about nautilus? is there any log file for nautilus? |
| 07:01.06 | enouf | rahul: actually it's grep | xargs grep |
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| 07:01.14 | rahul | I'll grep you |
| 07:01.26 | enouf | rahul: gah - if i was doing -irl and shit ,, my bad |
| 07:01.37 | rahul | oh my |
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| 07:01.40 | rahul | upskirt shot |
| 07:02.10 | geo-rge | Supaplex: but... is your email account gonna share with -you-? |
| 07:02.11 | rahul | no clue who that girl is tho |
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| 07:02.33 | ma3x | rahul, what picture? |
| 07:02.45 | ma3x | DSCN0931? |
| 07:02.47 | RvGaTe | ma3x has an hilight on upskirt.. ? |
| 07:02.48 | rahul | N S F W ... http://www.mrfwood.com/photos/070426/pages/yarckin-stark-0567.htm |
| 07:02.49 | geo-rge | that cori chick looks pretty good |
| 07:02.52 | enouf | it's something like 1106:\ 3149 .. but i can't get it |
| 07:03.04 | rahul | geo-rge: yeah, that's what people say |
| 07:03.16 | ma3x | what kind of a shitty pants color is that? |
| 07:03.22 | phliver | lol |
| 07:03.25 | rahul | I didn't realize franky was working with her |
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| 07:03.29 | ma3x | is she playing a guitar? |
| 07:03.30 | rahul | ma3x: I dunno |
| 07:03.32 | rahul | ma3x: yes |
| 07:03.39 | rahul | blame franky |
| 07:03.49 | geo-rge | rahul: if you click the next button you see... more of her face :) |
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| 07:04.12 | ma3x | loooool |
| 07:04.19 | rahul | heh |
| 07:04.21 | ma3x | man, she looks like a man |
| 07:04.24 | rahul | yeah |
| 07:04.28 | rahul | she's not that hot |
| 07:04.56 | rahul | speaking of hot |
| 07:05.04 | dimir | Moin! |
| 07:05.09 | rahul | I better get to sleep so I can pick up my delivery from jules |
| 07:05.17 | kspath | moinmoin |
| 07:05.27 | dongs | nice, now pppd dies with sig11 on another machine |
| 07:05.29 | dongs | too cute |
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| 07:05.49 | dongs | maybe I should just use windows ras-pppoe or whatever, it worked last time I needed to do this |
| 07:06.00 | rahul | http://bulletins.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bulletin.read&messageID=4439849293&MyToken=1ad0d279-2ee7-4aae-978a-9efb3f7a0847 |
| 07:06.05 | dongs | why do I even bother ever trying to fuck around with this undocumented/broken shite |
| 07:06.12 | rahul | epica and operatika |
| 07:06.13 | rahul | yay |
| 07:06.14 | ma3x | rahul, the site died |
| 07:06.20 | rahul | too bad I'll be in atlanta |
| 07:06.31 | rahul | hahaha, seeing their parent band, even! |
| 07:06.47 | rahul | shit |
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| 07:06.55 | rahul | http://bulletins.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=bulletin.read&messageID=4438876360 |
| 07:07.05 | maddash | dongs: undocumented? are you kidding? |
| 07:07.11 | maddash | dongs: what are you issuing now? |
| 07:07.17 | RvGaTe | simonrvn: any ideas on how to do it? :P |
| 07:07.30 | enouf | myspace? omg |
| 07:07.32 | simonrvn | RvGaTe: not really no :/ |
| 07:07.35 | rahul | I kinda should go see statues tomorrow |
| 07:07.40 | RvGaTe | simonrvn: crap :( |
| 07:07.42 | rahul | hahaha, julia might go with me |
| 07:07.59 | dongs | maddash: nothing, i moved to another machine hoping the routing would be different there. the one I was trying on was multi-homed to different subnets, I wanted to make sure it wasnt causing bad things. |
| 07:08.08 | dongs | maddash: so same config on another machine now jsut sig 11's |
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| 07:08.23 | RvGaTe | simonrvn: i kinda need it :P ill be using it here... http://pc.rvgate.nl/ it reads out the data alright, but the mac adresses attached to it (for the wakeup call) are not... |
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| 07:09.05 | rahul | ok |
| 07:09.08 | rahul | insanity awaytis |
| 07:09.10 | rahul | tomorrow |
| 07:09.11 | RvGaTe | simonrvn: leases without an hostname are named "Worksation #" |
| 07:09.13 | rahul | must sleep |
| 07:09.18 | ma3x | rahul, you banged julia? |
| 07:09.23 | rahul | no :( |
| 07:09.28 | rahul | I was too drink |
| 07:09.32 | rahul | to know she wanted me |
| 07:09.51 | colson | to print a webpage in Mozilla, it should be as easy displaying the page and the File->Print, right? |
| 07:10.04 | rahul | everyone was like, that's a hot chick you had on your shoulder |
| 07:10.09 | ma3x | rahul, you gonna bang tomorrow? |
| 07:10.09 | RvGaTe | colson: yeah... why ? |
| 07:10.11 | phliver | colson: assuming you have a printer set up. yeah |
| 07:10.13 | rahul | and I was like, oh, I had a chick on my shoulder? |
| 07:10.16 | rahul | ma3x: who knows |
| 07:10.29 | rahul | maybe if we both are sober enough |
| 07:10.53 | rahul | ma3x: you don't even know who jules is, do you? |
| 07:11.02 | ma3x | the one with the guitar? |
| 07:11.10 | colson | printer is set-up alright, it can print offline. but i just can't print a webpage. job status shows "processing' and loops there. |
| 07:11.11 | rahul | no way |
| 07:11.13 | rahul | ugh |
| 07:11.27 | ma3x | haha |
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| 07:11.36 | ma3x | which one then? |
| 07:12.19 | rahul | http://a597.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/19/l_8a429db6c2d54e5561cfa65bec57b13c.jpg |
| 07:12.20 | ma3x | raul this one? http://www.mrfwood.com/photos/070826/images/ottos_aug2707_39w.jpg ? :p |
| 07:12.32 | rahul | I don't think franky has pics of her |
| 07:12.43 | rahul | and um.. which one of those two is the woman? |
| 07:12.51 | ma3x | lol, who's that dude with the kango hair? |
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| 07:13.00 | rahul | hahaha |
| 07:13.02 | rahul | !!!! |
| 07:13.02 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 07:13.06 | colson | RvGaTe, phliver, heh? |
| 07:13.09 | rahul | DIEASED! |
| 07:13.14 | rahul | erm |
| 07:13.18 | rahul | DISEASED, even... !!! |
| 07:13.29 | rahul | http://b2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00498/24/32/498572342_l.jpg |
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| 07:13.30 | rahul | yum |
| 07:13.54 | ma3x | rahul, not fuckin bad man! |
| 07:13.55 | rahul | ma3x: that's the rest of her band |
| 07:13.56 | ma3x | not at all |
| 07:14.03 | rahul | you're telling me |
| 07:14.03 | dongs | band? how old are you, 10? |
| 07:14.11 | rahul | dongs: I wish! |
| 07:14.23 | rahul | if I were 10 and banging a girl like that |
| 07:14.24 | rahul | wow |
| 07:15.04 | ma3x | she gave a concert? pop? |
| 07:15.14 | rahul | www.myspace.com/metalkpretty |
| 07:15.28 | colson | rahul, ma3x, stopping fucking around here. go get fucked somewhere else. |
| 07:15.29 | rahul | it's not THAT popppy, except the new 5 songs they have now are poppy |
| 07:15.30 | SlimG2 | I'm running "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", what should I select on the "General type of mail configuration" ? All I need is the ability to send mail via a smtp server, I don't need/want to receive mails at all |
| 07:15.47 | maddash | rahul: hey, that's the girl who plays "Mel" on "Frasier"! |
| 07:15.50 | rahul | they're working on the prog side of the album... it seems just for me |
| 07:16.18 | ma3x | rahul, you were just random on the concert? met conincedently? |
| 07:16.38 | rahul | ma3x: well, I went up and talked to her |
| 07:17.03 | rahul | and then went to more shows and I became friends with people she really likes |
| 07:17.22 | geo-rge | SlimG2: if nothing sends that machine mail... that part is done :) about sending, you mean via -another- smtp server? |
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| 07:17.28 | rahul | she's just a local band's singer |
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| 07:17.35 | ma3x | rahul, how $much you get in the US per concert like that? |
| 07:17.43 | rahul | they're only going to break into the national scene in a couple months |
| 07:17.52 | rahul | ma3x: $10 at most |
| 07:18.03 | ma3x | rahul, I mean how much she earns |
| 07:18.04 | SlimG2 | geo-rge: yes, I need to send via my isp's smtp server |
| 07:18.09 | rahul | oh |
| 07:18.25 | rahul | ma3x: I dunno. the whole band probably makes less than $1000 |
| 07:18.39 | rahul | although they're playing mercury lounge now |
| 07:18.47 | rahul | maybe that's more like $3000 |
| 07:19.02 | ma3x | great, go get some sleep and happy day tomorrow!!! |
| 07:19.06 | rahul | hehe |
| 07:19.08 | rahul | thanks |
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| 07:19.57 | geo-rge | SlimG2: probably configure the sending and take any receiving... your box will generate mails from logs and crons and stuff like that, you'll have to decide where some of those go |
| 07:20.01 | tomb0y | how do i get apache2 to reinstall its configuration files etc. i removed apache2 and deleted /etc/apache2 and do a apt-get install apache2 it never recreates the config directory |
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| 07:20.16 | geo-rge | try running thru the config a few times to see what it dies |
| 07:20.16 | aeshyama1 | may i ask abt libwnck?? |
| 07:20.27 | geo-rge | you can always run it again |
| 07:20.36 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 07:20.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:20.40 | aeshyama1 | !libwnck |
| 07:21.17 | rahul | oh, and I've decided that our theme song is the obsessive devotion off the new album (divine conspiracy) by epica |
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| 07:22.40 | geo-rge | aeshyama1: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 07:22.44 | rahul | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNn_R5PNbTw |
| 07:22.45 | rahul | wow |
| 07:23.16 | rahul | damn,she looked hotter than when I was there |
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| 07:23.39 | geo-rge | noisy |
| 07:23.43 | rahul | heh, whoever recorded that coiuldn't get a quarter of the bass |
| 07:23.56 | SlimG2 | geo-rge: What choice should I make on the step I've arrived at in the config wizard? |
| 07:23.57 | geo-rge | hey, they like that mixo b9 b13 scale |
| 07:24.21 | laurly | anyone got a min. im trying to set up virtual hosting with apache2 but its not working and im not sure what im doing wrong. |
| 07:24.24 | rahul | dude, the shit that's audible is totally random |
| 07:24.41 | rahul | simone definitely had fun |
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| 07:24.51 | geo-rge | SlimG2: gracious good after noon... is this the party to whom I am speaking? :) |
| 07:25.07 | wols_ | laurly: maybe you should tell us WHAT you're actually doing |
| 07:25.07 | geo-rge | umm |
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| 07:25.17 | geo-rge | what config step have you arrived at? |
| 07:25.29 | laurly | wols_: www.wowportal.dk works fe.wowportal.dk doesnt |
| 07:25.34 | rahul | wow, it sounds terrible, but I know what sound they're TRYING to make so it sounds absolutely amazing to me |
| 07:25.34 | SlimG2 | geo-rge: "General type of mail configuration" |
| 07:25.37 | geo-rge | (you could be assuming... I see your screen...) |
| 07:25.44 | geo-rge | what are your choices |
| 07:25.49 | SlimG2 | geo-rge: You wan't the options too? |
| 07:25.58 | SlimG2 | ok |
| 07:26.02 | geo-rge | maybe the question first |
| 07:26.02 | wols_ | laurly: answer to read questions and understand them. did I ask you about the domains? no |
| 07:26.17 | wols_ | I asked you what you are actually DOING, not what you are trying to achieve |
| 07:26.19 | laurly | wols_ im trying to get the second one to work. |
| 07:26.26 | SlimG2 | geo-rge: 1. "Internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP" |
| 07:26.49 | SlimG2 | geo-rge: 2. Mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail" |
| 07:26.59 | geo-rge | that obe |
| 07:27.05 | Guerin | SlimG2: it's in plain fucking english |
| 07:27.08 | RvGaTe | how can i read out my /var/mail/<username> using ssh, in a nice fancy way :P |
| 07:27.20 | laurly | wols_: might be a good idea. basicly i guess im editing the config files to add the new subdomain. |
| 07:27.22 | Guerin | SlimG2: if you don't know, hit enter and choose the default |
| 07:27.22 | wols_ | RvGaTe: mutt |
| 07:27.29 | rahul | heh, piggyback boy was also having fun |
| 07:27.42 | wols_ | laurly: a2ensite |
| 07:27.44 | rahul | don't think he was giving piggyback rides that night, tho |
| 07:27.45 | geo-rge | SlimG2: that's the one that matches what you said you want (2) |
| 07:28.14 | RvGaTe | wols_: mutt gives me: /var/mail/root is not a mailbox... |
| 07:28.40 | wols_ | RvGaTe: less /var/mail/root |
| 07:28.48 | wols_ | does it look like a mbox file? |
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| 07:29.17 | rahul | Venia ad vitam aeternam |
| 07:29.17 | rahul | This is the end |
| 07:29.17 | RvGaTe | wols_: well, i can see email headers, and messages... all in one big file |
| 07:29.18 | geo-rge | does it taste like a mbox file? |
| 07:29.26 | SlimG2 | geo-rge: Thanks, The trouble seems to understand all the questions after this step, I'll figure them out eventually |
| 07:29.27 | rahul | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:29.32 | Guerin | !!! |
| 07:29.32 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 07:29.35 | RvGaTe | wols_: i have no idea how an mbox file looks like |
| 07:29.37 | Guerin | !!!!! |
| 07:29.37 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 07:29.41 | Guerin | there we go |
| 07:29.43 | rahul | YES |
| 07:29.47 | Guerin | diseased is fucking right |
| 07:29.52 | wols_ | RvGaTe: that's about it |
| 07:30.15 | RvGaTe | wols_: so... how can i read it in mutt... |
| 07:30.30 | sn9_ | ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡ |
| 07:30.34 | Supaplex | !scare sn9_ |
| 07:30.41 | dongs | heh wow |
| 07:30.44 | rahul | Don't you choke and blind me / don't be a bleeding heart / (AM I?) / Fold then walk away or play your cards / (LET US PLAY!) |
| 07:30.50 | dongs | pppd was crashing because I had deflate/etc enabled. |
| 07:30.53 | rahul | my god I love that verse |
| 07:30.57 | dongs | thats fucking great |
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| 07:31.08 | dongs | nobsdcomp/nodeflate = no crash |
| 07:31.16 | dongs | dont tell me thats "intended behaviour" either. |
| 07:31.17 | rahul | the rhythm is beautiful |
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| 07:31.34 | geo-rge | rahul: http://youtube.com/watch?v=rkti7BAb3-8 |
| 07:31.35 | voidnull | Hello, what is the way to lauchn via cron only every monday of a week? 0 1 1 * * this is correct? |
| 07:31.50 | simonrvn | dongs: you have a problem with your system... |
| 07:31.53 | rahul | hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15ZmtmI-YIU |
| 07:31.57 | dongs | simonrvn: really now |
| 07:31.58 | rahul | holy clippage |
| 07:32.01 | dongs | simonrvn: no, i bet I dont. |
| 07:32.11 | wols_ | RvGaTe: last time I used mutt all I had to run it as that user. no config necessary |
| 07:32.39 | geo-rge | no vocals, no chicks... but cool to listen to |
| 07:32.43 | rahul | heh |
| 07:32.47 | rahul | geo-rge: I'll listen later |
| 07:32.50 | rahul | passing out |
| 07:32.53 | dongs | there's a high possibility that I don't have deflate/bsdcomp enabled in the kernel, but CRASHING because of that is not something quality software should do. and if I DO have taht enabled in the kernel, then thats even funnier. |
| 07:33.00 | rahul | it shall be my wake up tune |
| 07:33.21 | rahul | DON'T YOU EVER BLIND ME! |
| 07:33.29 | simonrvn | rahul: g'night |
| 07:33.34 | geo-rge | dongs: you should probably rule out hardware problems on that box |
| 07:33.50 | geo-rge | rahul: maan, you're in for a rude awakening... |
| 07:34.04 | RvGaTe | wols_: so i should completely reinstall mutt then i guess... |
| 07:34.08 | geo-rge | maybe this one would be better: |
| 07:34.10 | rahul | geo-rge: can't be worse than a chick with a dick |
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| 07:34.26 | dongs | geo-rge: there are none. its been running for years. |
| 07:34.32 | geo-rge | http://youtube.com/watch?v=f7Pp_DpZL58&mode=related&search= |
| 07:34.44 | dongs | i think im gonna install windows pppoe stuff. this isnt getting anywhere |
| 07:34.49 | dongs | at least I will know stuff works. |
| 07:34.53 | rahul | geo-rge: I'm a glutton for pain |
| 07:34.58 | rahul | I'll listen to it all |
| 07:35.05 | rahul | I wake up to death metal at times |
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| 07:35.20 | rahul | and now I shall make sure I wake up |
| 07:35.28 | Guerin | !trent++ |
| 07:35.44 | RvGaTe | wols_: wait... it does work, just not for root... :S |
| 07:35.56 | maddash | !karma trent |
| 07:35.56 | dpkg | trent has karma of 1 |
| 07:35.58 | Guerin | RvGaTe: sounds ideal to me |
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| 07:36.13 | geo-rge | !dogma trent |
| 07:36.28 | geo-rge | what?! trent has no dogma!! |
| 07:36.29 | RvGaTe | Guerin: yeah, i know... but im getting messages from Cron, and they get dropped in my root mailbox... |
| 07:36.39 | Guerin | RvGaTe: redirect them |
| 07:36.48 | Guerin | never run a MTA as root |
| 07:36.50 | Guerin | ever |
| 07:36.52 | Guerin | for any reason |
| 07:36.57 | Guerin | that's how boxes get owned |
| 07:37.02 | Guerin | err |
| 07:37.06 | Guerin | MUA, of course |
| 07:37.10 | RvGaTe | MUA ? |
| 07:37.12 | Guerin | MTAs mostly need to run as root |
| 07:37.16 | Guerin | mail client |
| 07:37.20 | wols_ | mail user agent |
| 07:37.22 | geo-rge | Male User Agent |
| 07:37.35 | maddash | !enter |
| 07:37.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 07:37.37 | laurly | is there any place besides the conf file that you have to edit to get virutal hosting to work. both are exactly the same now with the exception of servername and it still doesnt work. |
| 07:37.43 | RvGaTe | ok... then.... how do i redirect them... |
| 07:37.57 | Guerin | RvGaTe: edit /etc/aliases |
| 07:38.12 | Guerin | maddash: |
| 07:38.15 | Guerin | maddash: thanks |
| 07:38.17 | Guerin | maddash: for |
| 07:38.20 | Guerin | maddash: your |
| 07:38.22 | Guerin | maddash: thoughts |
| 07:38.26 | Guerin | maddash: |
| 07:38.37 | geo-rge | deeeeeeeeep |
| 07:38.38 | simonrvn | !kick Guerin |
| 07:38.39 | geo-rge | thou |
| 07:38.45 | geo-rge | gh |
| 07:38.46 | geo-rge | ts |
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| 07:38.59 | streuner | he |
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| 07:39.01 | Guerin | hey, i'm STILL smarter than aucklanders |
| 07:39.02 | streuner | he |
| 07:39.02 | Iridos | laurly: no |
| 07:39.02 | maddash | !ops Guerin |
| 07:39.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: maddash complains about: Guerin |
| 07:39.11 | simonrvn | anothe spam bot..[D[D |
| 07:39.17 | Guerin | maddash: hah |
| 07:39.19 | maddash | :P |
| 07:39.26 | streuner | that was a bad idea, DO NOT FUCK with OUR HOLLY COW :-) |
| 07:39.34 | RvGaTe | lol |
| 07:39.35 | simonrvn | 'holy' |
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| 07:39.44 | hermann_348 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=6460491 |
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| 07:39.46 | streuner | s/HOLLY/HOLY/ |
| 07:39.51 | Guerin | i swear to christ |
| 07:39.57 | geo-rge | who's holly and why are you calling her a cow?! |
| 07:39.59 | simonrvn | another one... |
| 07:40.05 | Guerin | i've been in auckland all day and the place makes you stupid |
| 07:40.11 | Iridos | laurly: except if you use multiple IPs for your virtual hosts, of course :) But I guess you figured that... |
| 07:40.25 | Supaplex | Guerin: and? you're a bigger man now for it? get a grip *laugh* |
| 07:40.28 | Guerin | i tried to go for a beer and had to walk FOUR BLOCKS, in the motherfucking middle of town, before I could find one |
| 07:40.34 | Guerin | that sort of thing just ain't right |
| 07:40.55 | Guerin | Supaplex: yes. Much bigger. And with a grip. Fnarr. |
| 07:40.56 | Supaplex | yea... I would called you a waaaahhhmbulance |
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| 07:41.26 | Iridos | nite |
| 07:41.41 | RvGaTe | oops... i think i screwed it up... lol... i removed my /var/mail/root and /var/mail/rvgate :P |
| 07:41.57 | Guerin | RvGaTe: no big deal. |
| 07:42.13 | RvGaTe | just lost around 300 cron messages... |
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| 07:44.19 | geo-rge | RvGaTe: awww :) |
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| 07:44.56 | dongs | installing raspppoe |
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| 07:45.07 | simonrvn | your problem |
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| 07:45.19 | f3trio3d2x | hi , has somebody ever used RKWARD in this channel ? |
| 07:45.43 | geo-rge | !anyone use RKWARD in this channel |
| 07:45.44 | dpkg | No, no one uses RKWARD in this channel, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:45.47 | AndroidData | I'm trying to install php5-auth-pam but it won't let me; it tells me it depends on phpapi-20060613+lfs but that is a virtual package. |
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| 07:46.12 | geo-rge | which depends on what? |
| 07:46.19 | RvGaTe | think mutt is working now :P, and the redirection is working great, thx Guerin |
| 07:46.21 | simonrvn | rkward.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 07:46.31 | AndroidData | nothing, appearantly? |
| 07:46.34 | f3trio3d2x | sorry for bad english |
| 07:46.37 | AndroidData | I can't apt-cache show it |
| 07:46.43 | simonrvn | it's called google ;) |
| 07:46.46 | streuner | geo-rge: if you like Jazz-Rock you prolly like that too ;-) http://youtube.com/watch?v=86zEObmr4MU |
| 07:47.37 | f3trio3d2x | simonrvn: i searched there but i cant find my question's answer :/ |
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| 07:47.52 | geo-rge | dey like D |
| 07:49.06 | RvGaTe | time for a cookie ! |
| 07:49.14 | simonrvn | !cookie |
| 07:49.21 | geo-rge | streuner: analog synths :) |
| 07:49.53 | geo-rge | hmm, they also like mixo b9 b13 |
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| 07:52.20 | laurly | it wouldnt be the firewall kicking out the new website would it? |
| 07:52.31 | geo-rge | oh and my mistake... theyre playing in B |
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| 07:54.12 | RvGaTe | laurly: url ? |
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| 07:54.51 | laurly | fe.wowportal.dk is the one thats not working |
| 07:55.09 | geo-rge | streuner: that's interesting/cool... not much jazzy about it tho, but they are pretty tight/pro sounding |
| 07:55.23 | RvGaTe | laurly: checking, hold on |
| 07:55.32 | laurly | its an amost exact copy in the conf file for www.wowportal.dk it should work. |
| 07:55.43 | RvGaTe | laurly: its not ur firewall |
| 07:56.15 | laurly | im runing out of ideas |
| 07:56.29 | RvGaTe | laurly: is the service running? |
| 07:56.59 | geo-rge | laurly: looks like the name isn't working |
| 07:57.00 | laurly | yup there are like 5 other sites on the server and they all work |
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| 07:57.21 | geo-rge | could you repeat the correct name of the one that's not working? |
| 07:57.25 | laurly | its the sub domain im trying to add. |
| 07:57.28 | catbot | hello, guys |
| 07:57.33 | laurly | www.wowportal.dk works fe.wowportal.dk doesnt work |
| 07:57.42 | geo-rge | hi |
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| 07:57.55 | laurly | both are on the same server |
| 07:57.58 | RvGaTe | laurly: did you add it to your apache config ? |
| 07:58.10 | laurly | yup |
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| 07:58.20 | RvGaTe | laurly: how did you added it ? |
| 07:58.49 | laurly | copyied the one for wowportal.dk and just changed docroot and server name |
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| 07:59.06 | RvGaTe | laurly: did you enable it afterwards ? |
| 07:59.19 | laurly | enable as in restart apache? |
| 07:59.36 | RvGaTe | laurly: enable as in: a2ensite |
| 07:59.49 | RvGaTe | laurly: stands for apache 2, enable site :P |
| 07:59.58 | laurly | ahh we are getting closer. wheres that? |
| 08:00.01 | geo-rge | laurly: even the authoratative name server does not answer fe.wowportal.dk |
| 08:00.20 | geo-rge | that's gotta work for any of this to work :) |
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| 08:00.59 | laurly | ok so what am i looking for? |
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| 08:02.18 | s-andy | hi... anyone knows possible reason for the following: DVD+RW written by growisofs on one machine is not readable at some machines (2 debian machines read, and 2 (debian/winxp) machines don't)... ? |
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| 08:02.47 | geo-rge | winxp? |
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| 08:03.13 | liable | ya know, that other os |
| 08:03.16 | geo-rge | maybe if you got rid of that, it'd work! |
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| 08:03.49 | geo-rge | that was a fairly stupid guess based on what you said worked and didn't |
| 08:04.47 | geo-rge | and yet it might explain why the drive isn't reading it |
| 08:05.20 | wols_ | s-andy: maybe the DVD drive doesn't recognize the disks. aka hw problem, not software? |
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| 08:05.58 | s-andy | wols_: no idea... :) 2 drives which cannot read that disk are very new |
| 08:06.02 | Guerin | you can test that by cat /dev/hdd with a disk in |
| 08:06.08 | s-andy | wols_: 2 others are old |
| 08:06.09 | Guerin | presuming hdd is your dvd |
| 08:06.42 | s-andy | other DVDs are well readable |
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| 08:06.57 | s-andy | no issues before this one |
| 08:07.02 | Guerin | then it's the disk which is crap |
| 08:07.03 | geo-rge | which drive produced them |
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| 08:07.38 | s-andy | geo-rge: do you ask the model? |
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| 08:08.10 | geo-rge | well maybe... but mostly which machine and what oses had that machine been running |
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| 08:10.29 | s-andy | written by: debian 3.1 i386 2.4.32, not read by winxp and debian lenny, also read by debian 4.0 (upgraded from 3.1) |
| 08:10.39 | RvGaTe | geo-rge: the problem of that domain not working is pretty easy... its not the same server at all :P |
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| 08:11.42 | s-andy | created by HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B |
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| 08:12.13 | geo-rge | was there a second machine it was not readable on? |
| 08:12.51 | s-andy | yes, it is not readable on windows xp and debian lenny |
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| 08:13.06 | s-andy | i don't think it is in os... |
| 08:13.22 | geo-rge | those are two machines? |
| 08:13.32 | geo-rge | you could be right |
| 08:13.43 | s-andy | yes... it is readable on 2 machines and not readable on another 2 machines |
| 08:13.51 | geo-rge | in fact it's more likely it's the media |
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| 08:14.15 | geo-rge | have you written other disks that -are- readable? |
| 08:14.19 | s-andy | is there any way to make it readable? i mean may be some mount options :) |
| 08:14.35 | s-andy | all other disks are readable on all machines |
| 08:14.48 | s-andy | this is the first and only one |
| 08:14.51 | geo-rge | and you produced these disks or no? |
| 08:15.04 | s-andy | i produced |
| 08:15.20 | geo-rge | ok, and using the same drive/machine? |
| 08:15.24 | s-andy | yes |
| 08:15.38 | geo-rge | that strongly suggests the media |
| 08:16.18 | geo-rge | maybe it's one bad dvd out of the spool |
| 08:16.36 | s-andy | ok... another thing... earlier I produced the same media but on another machine (another one which is able to read it now) |
| 08:16.49 | s-andy | and it was readable on all machines |
| 08:17.06 | s-andy | looks like it is bad combination dvd drive + media |
| 08:17.12 | geo-rge | what if you were to read the disk on that machine as a complete image |
| 08:17.20 | geo-rge | and write another? |
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| 08:17.36 | geo-rge | the one that wrote the good one |
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| 08:18.32 | s-andy | geo-rge: sorry, what do you mean? |
| 08:18.55 | Shadur | Whoa, is the latest unstable xorg update breaking dependencies or is that just something weird on my system? |
| 08:19.27 | geo-rge | so you say that you have written disks from the same spool on a different machine, and they worked fine? |
| 08:20.20 | s-andy | right - the same disk but on different machine |
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| 08:21.30 | geo-rge | s-andy: what shall we name this different machine so we can know it? |
| 08:22.03 | s-andy | and that (different) machine is one that now is able to read disk |
| 08:22.12 | s-andy | let's name it "journy" |
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| 08:24.49 | geo-rge | ok, and journy recently produced working dvds whereas another (what's its name?) did not? |
| 08:25.12 | s-andy | yes, let's name another one "user" |
| 08:25.43 | geo-rge | ok, so user recently wrote a dvd that was not readable on all machines |
| 08:25.54 | s-andy | actually both (journy and user) produced working dvds before |
| 08:26.05 | s-andy | i bough a media (verbatim) |
| 08:26.14 | geo-rge | how recent? |
| 08:26.16 | axscode | concat(concat(concat(concat(concat(x,"INSERT INTO "), "TABLENAME (",dataln,") VALUES (", data, ")") <-- is there anyway i can do this in ansi C in an optimal manner? |
| 08:26.25 | s-andy | a week ago |
| 08:26.40 | s-andy | i wrote this media on journy and it was readable on all machines |
| 08:26.46 | s-andy | this was the 1st time |
| 08:27.06 | s-andy | then i wrote this media on user and now it is not readable on all machines |
| 08:27.23 | s-andy | however both (journy and user) do read this media |
| 08:27.32 | geo-rge | ok, and was it during this week and with the verbatim media that user failed to write a good dvd |
| 08:27.43 | s-andy | another machines (voodoo (winxp) and andrix (debian)) do not |
| 08:28.25 | s-andy | yes |
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| 08:28.51 | geo-rge | ok, had user ever wrote dvds from this verbatim spindle that worked? (I guess that would have had to be this week) |
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| 08:30.12 | s-andy | this is the only verbatim disk i bought |
| 08:30.13 | wayne_ | I want threads/processes to be blocked instead to busy wait when accessing the package management if another process/thread is using it |
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| 08:30.31 | geo-rge | oh, it was only one? |
| 08:30.37 | s-andy | earlier user used to write verbatim disk and they were readable |
| 08:30.38 | s-andy | yes |
| 08:30.45 | geo-rge | not a spindle of 50? |
| 08:30.52 | s-andy | no - only 1 |
| 08:31.39 | s-andy | update: while journy sees files (fs) it is unable to read them (gives IO error while copying) |
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| 08:31.49 | s-andy | so I guess this is media |
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| 08:33.24 | s-andy | however only on some files... :) |
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| 08:35.39 | simonrvn | *SIGH* |
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| 08:38.34 | geo-rge | s-andy: it seems that way |
| 08:38.58 | geo-rge | I mean you can't really tell, you don't have another shot at writing thie media |
| 08:41.44 | s-andy | I see... |
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| 08:42.04 | s-andy | geo-rge: thank you :) |
| 08:42.11 | AndroidData | I installed php5-auth-pam (more-or-less) but I'm having difficulties with /etc/pam.d/php -- I don't know how to setup this file |
| 08:42.14 | AndroidData | (running etch) |
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| 08:46.47 | Azio | anyone got any ideas why cp -r src dest might crash a box, reliably - could it be a filesystem problem? |
| 08:47.01 | Azio | when i say crash a box reliably i mean it always seems to do it when i type it |
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| 08:48.20 | Azio | it specifically has the hump using cp everything else seems fine even scp etc |
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| 08:49.37 | Azio | even tar zxvf works fine |
| 08:49.42 | Azio | this is so weird |
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| 08:50.05 | Azio | it's like the cp program itself is driving the box crazy and paniccing |
| 08:50.08 | rvalles | Azio: no kernel panic or something |
| 08:50.10 | rvalles | Azio: ? |
| 08:50.17 | Azio | rvalles im positive its a panic |
| 08:50.24 | acc_ | Hi, all. No matter how I try to pass -r or --with-recommends to aptitude, recommended packages are never installed. How can I find out what might be hindering this? Thanks. |
| 08:50.28 | rvalles | Azio: get it logged if that's the last thing you do |
| 08:50.36 | Azio | hmm |
| 08:50.41 | Azio | its in a datacentre rvalles |
| 08:50.45 | rvalles | Azio: physically sit there, on a text terminal, type the command and with luck... |
| 08:50.46 | Azio | will there be any logs to /var/log ? |
| 08:50.48 | rvalles | ok |
| 08:50.50 | rvalles | no, there wont |
| 08:50.53 | rvalles | then its a pain |
| 08:50.55 | Azio | thought as much chap |
| 08:50.56 | rvalles | but there *still* are ways |
| 08:50.58 | Azio | aye, big pain |
| 08:51.03 | Azio | stupid customer has done something stupid no doubt |
| 08:51.16 | Azio | asked me to install something for him (3rd party isolated app) |
| 08:51.26 | Azio | and it died when i did cp -R ../../ ! |
| 08:51.29 | rvalles | like kexec plus an image specifically for kernel dumping |
| 08:51.43 | Azio | hes totally fucked the permissions |
| 08:51.44 | Azio | lmao |
| 08:51.50 | Azio | my god |
| 08:51.56 | rvalles | there's also netconsole, which might work on a panic |
| 08:52.13 | rvalles | luckily I have always been able to get the text somehow |
| 08:52.19 | Azio | mm |
| 08:52.19 | rvalles | even on my Amiga 1200 |
| 08:52.20 | Azio | ;[ |
| 08:52.27 | rvalles | one can reboot |
| 08:52.35 | Azio | i can see our customer has been rebooting this machine |
| 08:52.36 | rvalles | then run an AmigaOS program |
| 08:52.39 | Azio | even though he was instructed not to |
| 08:52.42 | Azio | wtf is wrong with people |
| 08:52.49 | rvalles | that recovers the stuff from some special memory zone |
| 08:52.54 | Azio | heh |
| 08:53.04 | Azio | aye, that would be great if i could be at the terminal |
| 08:53.05 | rvalles | which was protected by linux and kept protected by AmigaOS somehow |
| 08:53.15 | Azio | ;] |
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| 08:53.55 | Azio | im just sitting here pinging it whilst performing fs intensive operations |
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| 08:54.08 | Azio | If the permissions are BORKED enough im sure it could panic on a cp |
| 08:54.17 | Azio | but seriously , wtf |
| 08:54.21 | Azio | stupid customers |
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| 08:54.51 | yos87 | Hi |
| 08:54.58 | Azio | thanks for the help rvalles |
| 08:55.04 | yos87 | somebody know a good package to make a nice tree for the files? |
| 08:55.27 | Azio | uhh doesnt du -sh do something like that? |
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| 08:55.38 | Azio | could just pipe the output to file |
| 08:55.48 | Azio | actually, thats a terrible idea, ignore me |
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| 08:55.55 | Azio | brb dealing with stupid people |
| 08:56.11 | BlackSlash13 | Hey guys |
| 08:56.21 | BlackSlash13 | May I ask something ? |
| 08:56.30 | geo-rge | !ask |
| 08:56.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:57.11 | BlackSlash13 | I have Ubuntu and Microsoft XP on my system using dual boot. I am going to unistall Ubuntu and replace it with Debian etch |
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| 08:57.46 | BlackSlash13 | Is there any point that I should pay attention ? |
| 08:57.56 | BlackSlash13 | during the installation part |
| 08:58.10 | BlackSlash13 | because I won't to loose the dual boot |
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| 08:58.17 | geo-rge | do you want to keep anything that's on your hd now (for example your home dir) |
| 08:58.25 | BlackSlash13 | no |
| 08:58.30 | BlackSlash13 | I want to keep Windows XP |
| 08:58.37 | BlackSlash13 | and remove the whole Ubuntu stuff |
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| 08:59.05 | geo-rge | are the partitions already how you want them? |
| 08:59.10 | BlackSlash13 | look, I have /dev/sda NTFS |
| 08:59.22 | BlackSlash13 | and /dev/sda2 ext3 (Ubuntu root /) |
| 08:59.34 | BlackSlash13 | and /dev/sda5 swap |
| 08:59.37 | BlackSlash13 | that's all |
| 08:59.51 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.58 | geo-rge | not sda1? |
| 09:00.06 | BlackSlash13 | I think sda1 |
| 09:00.17 | geo-rge | sda would mean the whole drive |
| 09:00.31 | BlackSlash13 | Yup you right man, my mistake |
| 09:00.44 | BlackSlash13 | So, should I make the partition job manually, right ? |
| 09:01.07 | BlackSlash13 | I mean, is there any option on the installation manager, which allows me to replace any previus linux distribution with Debian ? |
| 09:01.11 | geo-rge | you already have partitions |
| 09:01.32 | BlackSlash13 | Yeah, but in the partitions, there is Ubuntu |
| 09:01.38 | BlackSlash13 | there are no empty |
| 09:01.51 | geo-rge | it seems you should just wipe and start over |
| 09:01.58 | ^Cobra^ | i also installed debian and replaced ubuntu |
| 09:02.03 | BlackSlash13 | Should I overwright the Debian ? |
| 09:02.10 | BlackSlash13 | eeee wrong |
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| 09:02.18 | BlackSlash13 | Should I overwright Ubuntu ? |
| 09:02.19 | geo-rge | you don't have debian yet :) |
| 09:02.33 | ^Cobra^ | i think i just overwrote ubuntu |
| 09:02.35 | BlackSlash13 | I do not have devian yet, Debian is on my CDs :P |
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| 09:02.50 | geo-rge | is that what you want to do? listen, I think you should back up your hd |
| 09:02.51 | BlackSlash13 | Cobra, my friend, is there any problem with that ? |
| 09:02.54 | geo-rge | before doing this |
| 09:02.55 | ^Cobra^ | isn't there an option to format the partitions where you install debian? |
| 09:02.57 | BlackSlash13 | I mean, is everything ok ? |
| 09:03.13 | ^Cobra^ | for me everything was ok |
| 09:03.19 | geo-rge | ^Cobra^: yes there is |
| 09:03.26 | BlackSlash13 | I didn't try to install Debian yet |
| 09:03.30 | wols_ | BlackSlash13: just make sure you format (mkfs.ext3) your ubuntu partition and then install debian on it. debian installer will find windows automatically and set up dualbooting |
| 09:03.31 | ^Cobra^ | i also had windows xp, nothing changed with that |
| 09:03.46 | BlackSlash13 | Ok guys |
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| 09:03.50 | geo-rge | you have to go into each partition (see, it sees them) and tell it you want to format |
| 09:03.55 | BlackSlash13 | You are great and very helpful |
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| 09:05.03 | BlackSlash13 | I am using a Dual Core AMD Athlon64 X2 processor. What should be the suitable version to install ? |
| 09:05.22 | BlackSlash13 | I think that, there are rumors that AMD64 versions, are buggy |
| 09:05.24 | BlackSlash13 | Hm ? |
| 09:05.35 | BlackSlash13 | Have you ever heard anything about that ? |
| 09:05.51 | wols_ | BlackSlash13: desktop or servre? how much RAM do you have? |
| 09:06.02 | BlackSlash13 | Dekstop |
| 09:06.08 | simonrvn | not buggy, some stuff won't work |
| 09:06.10 | wols_ | no it's not buggy, but various closed source software sin't available |
| 09:06.10 | BlackSlash13 | 2 Gb RAM 800 DDR2 |
| 09:06.19 | wols_ | use i386 then |
| 09:06.21 | geo-rge | both of you: make SURE this is what you want to do |
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| 09:06.35 | geo-rge | and if I were you I'd back up the entire drive |
| 09:06.44 | gypsymauro | how I can c the model of a scsi disc? |
| 09:06.50 | gypsymauro | via shell I mean |
| 09:06.56 | gypsymauro | I can't open the case:) |
| 09:07.07 | wols_ | gypsymauro: dmesg tells you |
| 09:07.23 | ^Cobra^ | hmm, why can't i unmount my compact flash card? |
| 09:07.24 | simonrvn | cat /proc/scsi* if your kernel supports it; dmesg is your other option |
| 09:07.26 | geo-rge | unless you say "I care nothing about any data on any partition of the drive" |
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| 09:07.59 | wols_ | gypsymauro: also scsitools and lsscsi |
| 09:08.08 | geo-rge | ^Cobra^: busy? |
| 09:08.17 | gypsymauro | tanx |
| 09:08.17 | ^Cobra^ | i already pulled it out, but the files are still in /mnt/flash |
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| 09:08.27 | ^Cobra^ | i don't think so |
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| 09:08.33 | gypsymauro | uhm in dmsg I get a lot of... program smartctl is using a deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert it to SG_IO |
| 09:08.40 | ^Cobra^ | i did lsof and there's nothing with flash |
| 09:08.41 | geo-rge | put it back in and try to unmount it |
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| 09:09.02 | ^Cobra^ | will try |
| 09:09.04 | geo-rge | you ALWAYS should unmount BEFORE removing |
| 09:09.15 | ^Cobra^ | yeah, but i was kind of in a hurry |
| 09:09.22 | wols_ | ^Cobra^: you most probably now have a corrupted filesystem on your flash |
| 09:09.33 | geo-rge | that hurry could damage the data on the card |
| 09:09.38 | ^Cobra^ | well, i tried it on another computer and it seemed to work |
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| 09:09.47 | marchino | ciao! |
| 09:09.56 | ^Cobra^ | it did do fsck and rebooted, but after that it was ok |
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| 09:10.46 | ^Cobra^ | well, i put the flash in and kde says it's mounted in /mnt/flash again |
| 09:10.51 | ^Cobra^ | but i still can't unmount it |
| 09:11.03 | geo-rge | ^Cobra^: why? |
| 09:11.08 | BlackSlash13 | Does Xfce a good choice ? Or, I should try Gnome, which I am familiar with |
| 09:11.19 | ^Cobra^ | "device is busy" |
| 09:11.25 | marchino | is there a way to get a list of all installed packages and theirs size? |
| 09:11.33 | geo-rge | so something is cded into the mount point |
| 09:11.33 | Guerin | !ds |
| 09:11.33 | dpkg | ds is probably a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 09:11.38 | Guerin | marchino: ↑ |
| 09:11.42 | wols_ | BlackSlash13: whatever you want, you can have both |
| 09:11.59 | Guerin | BlackSlash13: why the fuck would you ask us? |
| 09:12.27 | ^Cobra^ | hmm, on kde i get a different warning |
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| 09:12.42 | wols_ | Guerin: not everyone is as secure and manly in his decisions as you are |
| 09:12.44 | marchino | Guerin: thanks |
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| 09:12.51 | geo-rge | do you have a window open on the card? |
| 09:13.01 | geo-rge | close that windo and try unounting again |
| 09:13.05 | ^Cobra^ | "not in /media/.hal-mtab so it is not mounted by hal" |
| 09:13.09 | jetscreamer | !mwilsonsmite Guerin |
| 09:13.24 | ^Cobra^ | still nothing |
| 09:13.35 | geo-rge | anyway... /me going sleep |
| 09:13.36 | ^Cobra^ | i also closed konsole but the device is busy |
| 09:13.51 | cast | BlackSlash13: i think you should use enlightenment. |
| 09:14.04 | geo-rge | gotta find out what's making it busy |
| 09:14.11 | geo-rge | and I gotta sleep |
| 09:14.14 | geo-rge | nite. |
| 09:14.15 | jetscreamer | lsof |
| 09:14.17 | ^Cobra^ | night |
| 09:14.29 | simon23 | hi i wonder how i can install all the packages on one hit , which are held back by aptitude! i would like to use the command line parameters but dont know how. do i have to unmark these? or.... can someone who knows give me a hint? |
| 09:14.32 | wols_ | colby: lsog |grep flash |
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| 09:14.52 | ^Cobra^ | lsof doesn't give anything either |
| 09:14.58 | wols_ | simon23: tried a dist upgrade yet? |
| 09:15.03 | jetscreamer | have you ever tried .... |
| 09:15.04 | jetscreamer | that |
| 09:15.05 | wols_ | or explicitly installing them all helps too |
| 09:15.13 | cast | simon23: using the aptitude gui might be a quick way, but you could probably use something | xargs aptitude install |
| 09:15.22 | jetscreamer | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 09:15.24 | ^Cobra^ | on ps i see pdflush, maybe that's keeping the card busy |
| 09:15.29 | ^Cobra^ | but i can't kill it |
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| 09:16.10 | simon23 | yes - i tried a dist upgrad from sarge to etch... and then... nearly everything broke.... (very strange) and guys from #linux and #debian.de told me to just reinstall that to avoidf searching the problem for months. |
| 09:16.22 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 09:16.33 | jetscreamer | !sarge->etch |
| 09:16.33 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 09:16.50 | simon23 | cast: what do you mean with xargs? |
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| 09:17.01 | wols_ | man xargs |
| 09:17.10 | variable_office | how can i grab old versions of packages with apt ? |
| 09:17.37 | simon23 | !security |
| 09:17.37 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". , or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 09:17.44 | wols_ | !tell variable_office about snaposhot |
| 09:17.47 | wols_ | !tell variable_office about snapshot |
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| 09:18.57 | simon23 | cast: did you meant to put all the packagenames (which are held back) into a file and then install them ? |
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| 09:20.05 | simon23 | jetscreamer: at least i tried an upgrade - even before i came to the irc... then aptitude wanted to install other packages. but none of those which were held back. |
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| 09:21.13 | AndroidData | I installed php5-auth-pam (more-or-less) but I'm having difficulties with /etc/pam.d/php -- I don't know how to setup this file -- I'm running etch |
| 09:21.13 | jetscreamer | try dist |
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| 09:21.37 | simon23 | oh! |
| 09:21.42 | simon23 | well - will do now. |
| 09:21.44 | simon23 | thanks. |
| 09:22.30 | simon23 | wow! |
| 09:23.21 | jetscreamer | !wow |
| 09:23.21 | dpkg | it has been said that wow is a word begging with a 'w', then an 'o'. It ends with a 'w'. This means that it is reversible. It is a useful word for situations in which you wish to imply a feeling of general wow-ness. Best used in brackets following some other statement, like this: Debian is the best linux distro (wow). Also combine with exclamation marks for added wow-ity factor. (wow!!!) :) |
| 09:23.24 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 09:23.31 | simon23 | thanks a lot - now that works. i thought a dist-upgrade would be only for upgrading one distribution to the next - like sarge to etch (but you already told me thats not.) |
| 09:24.01 | simon23 | :-) |
| 09:24.47 | simon23 | who coded the dpkg bot? (and who put all the answers into it) |
| 09:24.48 | jetscreamer | upgrade upgrades inplace packages |
| 09:25.02 | jetscreamer | everybody put answers into it for years |
| 09:25.11 | jetscreamer | !what are you |
| 09:25.11 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 09:25.25 | jetscreamer | nn |
| 09:25.53 | AndroidData | !blootbot |
| 09:25.54 | dpkg | it has been said that blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot, or the latest svn has pgsql support. |
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| 09:27.15 | simon23 | thanks |
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| 09:34.48 | tokemm | hello, I'm having some problems with ffmpeg... |
| 09:34.54 | tokemm | could anyone help me? =P |
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| 09:35.23 | BlackSlash13 | Is there Synaptic or APT on Debian ? |
| 09:35.40 | tokemm | yes |
| 09:36.01 | BlackSlash13 | Is there the "sudo" command ? |
| 09:36.09 | tokemm | yes |
| 09:36.16 | BlackSlash13 | lol, ok guys |
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| 09:37.44 | spoown | Hello all !! |
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| 09:37.59 | karmatronic | Hello!!!!! |
| 09:38.46 | Rhoruns__ | hey, has anywhere here ever made a copy protection script? |
| 09:38.52 | spoown | any idea, how can I change the ulimit for number of file descriptor for a user ? on debian, I cannot use ulimit for file descriptor !! |
| 09:38.53 | defrysk | tokemm, go here for proper working ffmpeg http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 09:39.30 | yang | Which is a good supported billing solution which works with asterisk 1.2.13 and uses mysql ? |
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| 09:41.14 | karmatronic | spoown: /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 09:42.00 | spoown | karmatronic, I put already there the soft and hard limit !!! and it don't works !!! I don't understand |
| 09:42.44 | tokemm | hello, I'm having some problems with ffmpeg... |
| 09:42.48 | tokemm | could anyone help me? |
| 09:42.49 | tokemm | =P |
| 09:43.12 | Ronin | !tell tokemm about ask |
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| 09:44.04 | spoown | I have the limit for number a process a user can create, but it don't work with number of file a user can have !! |
| 09:44.28 | gypsymauro | I can't find the page that describes how to migrate from a sarge to etch :/ |
| 09:44.29 | tokemm | sorry lol |
| 09:44.32 | tokemm | =P |
| 09:44.43 | Ronin | !sarge>etch |
| 09:44.46 | Ronin | or not |
| 09:46.04 | yalu | !sarge->etch |
| 09:46.05 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
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| 09:47.18 | Ronin | thats the one,thanks yalu |
| 09:47.49 | tokemm | I'm trying to convert a video digiting ''#ffmpeg -i file.avi -target dvd file.vob'' , after 40% of conversion it crashes and it appears the message: |
| 09:47.49 | tokemm | mdb:27, lastbuf:0 skipping granule 0 |
| 09:47.49 | tokemm | ffmpeg: motion_est_template.c:1065: epzs_motion_search_internal: Assertion `(P[3][0]>>shift) <= xmax' failed. |
| 09:47.49 | tokemm | Aborted |
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| 09:47.53 | wols_ | spoown: number of files a use has might be regulated with a quota |
| 09:48.08 | wols_ | but I don#t know why you would do that. no enough inodes? |
| 09:48.53 | spoown | I don't really known actually, but it is recquired for installing oracle !! as the oracle user might need a lot of file !! |
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| 09:50.14 | spoown | I can modify my ulimit of num file with root, but not with other user, and the config is set in /etc/security/limits.conf !!! |
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| 09:50.34 | enouf | spoown: wasy on the exclamation points |
| 09:50.39 | enouf | er easy* |
| 09:50.46 | wols_ | spoown: do you mean number of OPENED file, or just number of files? |
| 09:51.15 | wiedenmann | konqueror shows fonts at the url "fonts:/". I want to identify the file of a Type 1 font which is displayed as "Courier 10 Pitch". How would I find the filename to that font? |
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| 09:51.50 | wols_ | wiedenmann: right click doesn't work? |
| 09:51.51 | enouf | wiedenmann: maybe try #debian-kde |
| 09:52.11 | spoown | number of open file actually, when I log on to the user oracle |
| 09:52.14 | wiedenmann | right click shows location: /System (fonts) |
| 09:52.18 | enouf | kfontview maybe |
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| 09:52.25 | wols_ | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-increase-the-maximum-number-of-open-files/ |
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| 09:52.53 | wols_ | wiedenmann: locate .ttf |
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| 09:53.12 | enouf | wiedenmann: go into kcontrol > system admin section, login when asked as root, review fonts there maybe |
| 09:53.31 | wiedenmann | enouf: kfontview does only show my the same (virtual) Font folder |
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| 09:53.46 | enouf | wiedenmann: (i forget where in there all that crap is located -- poke around) |
| 09:53.53 | wiedenmann | wols_: I think it is no true type font but type 1 font. I tried locate ttf befor I asked too |
| 09:54.02 | wiedenmann | enouf: I cant, I am not root |
| 09:54.16 | enouf | you don;t until you get there |
| 09:54.30 | wols_ | wiedenmann: locate /font |
| 09:54.42 | wiedenmann | enouf: I cant become root at all I have no root access on this machine |
| 09:54.43 | enouf | wiedenmann: do you mean you can't get root privs? |
| 09:54.46 | enouf | ok |
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| 09:55.04 | enouf | my 1st answer was best then ;-) |
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| 09:55.34 | wiedenmann | I have found /usr/share/fonts/type1/gsfonts with lots of pfb pfm afm files, but they have no name (i mean the filenames look like n0220241.pfb and so on) |
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| 09:56.32 | wols_ | wiedenmann: grep -i courier in that directory |
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| 09:56.48 | wiedenmann | The reason why I want to locate Courier 10 Pitch is to report a problem with antialiasing. At point size 12 "~" looks like "-" to me. |
| 09:56.53 | wiedenmann | ok |
| 09:56.56 | wols_ | oO(hopefully the fonts don't use unicode in their meta info) |
| 09:57.01 | spoown | wols_, already done these settings, and don't work... |
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| 09:57.39 | tokemm | hello all, I did: #ffmpeg -i video.avi -target dvd video.vob and after 40% of the conversion, it is automatically aborted with the message: |
| 09:57.45 | tokemm | mdb:27, lastbuf:0 skipping granule 0 |
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| 09:57.53 | tokemm | ffmpeg: motion_est_template.c:1065: epzs_motion_search_internal: Assertion `(P[3][0]>>shift) <= xmax' failed. |
| 09:58.01 | tokemm | Aborted. |
| 09:58.09 | enouf | wiedenmann: also ask in ##linux, be sire to tell them you can't get root/sudo/su - .. and i don't think kdesu will work either |
| 09:58.11 | tokemm | how can I fix it? @_@ |
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| 09:58.48 | wols_ | tokemm: different ffmpeg verion or you fix it yourself with a C compiler |
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| 09:59.01 | enouf | tokemm: try #mplayer maybe - or i wonder of there's an #ffmpeg channel here |
| 09:59.43 | tokemm | wols_: how can I do it? C compiler? sorry, i'm very noob lol |
| 09:59.49 | tokemm | =P |
| 09:59.52 | defrysk | tokemm, ffmpeg creates mpegs for dvd, dvdauthor creates vob-files |
| 10:00.31 | defrysk | tokemm, ffmpeg -i blah.avi -target pal-dvd blah.mpg |
| 10:00.41 | defrysk | or ntsc-dvd |
| 10:00.57 | defrysk | then dvdauthor -o dvd -t blah.mpg |
| 10:00.58 | tokemm | I already tried ntsc-dvd... the same happened |
| 10:01.03 | tokemm | hmmm... |
| 10:01.07 | defrysk | then dvdauthor -o dvd -T |
| 10:01.07 | tokemm | let me try here =] |
| 10:01.20 | defrysk | then burn the created /dvd/ |
| 10:02.34 | defrysk | growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvd/ |
| 10:02.36 | defrysk | and done |
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| 10:02.57 | defrysk | dvd rw are automacically ereased first |
| 10:02.59 | Pupeno | Hello. |
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| 10:03.12 | Pupeno | How do I re-install the configuration of a package? |
| 10:03.36 | defrysk | tokemm, and use ffmpeg of the link i gave earlyer |
| 10:03.53 | tokemm | I tried dvdauthor file.avi -o dvd -t file.mpg and after it happened: waiting for first VOBU |
| 10:04.22 | defrysk | wrong |
| 10:04.23 | tokemm | can u wirte again this link please... I cant find sorry |
| 10:04.31 | defrysk | geez |
| 10:04.37 | wiedenmann | I have the following problem: "~" looks like "-" (only at font size 12 and only with antialiasing set to on at kcontrol). The font is Courier 10 Pith which is c0419bt_.pfb from package xfonts-scalable (debian/stable). Should I report a bug at xfonts-scalable? |
| 10:05.03 | defrysk | tokemm, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 10:05.38 | defrysk | tokemm, how to use ffmpeg : http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/01/avi-to-dvd-with-ffmpeg-and-dvdauthor/ |
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| 10:06.08 | defrysk | dvdauthor -o dvd/ dvd.mpg is now dvdauthor -o dvd/ -t dvd.mpg |
| 10:06.32 | techbee | !tell Pupeno about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 10:06.35 | defrysk | and -aspect blah is not needed |
| 10:07.01 | defrysk | tokemm, if you prefer a gui try devede , available on that smae link |
| 10:07.06 | defrysk | same |
| 10:07.56 | defrysk | I need coffee |
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| 10:08.29 | tokemm | I already tried devede but the same happened |
| 10:08.40 | tokemm | it only converts 40% and after crashes |
| 10:08.41 | tokemm | =\ |
| 10:08.58 | defrysk | tokemm, then the avi-file is in poor shape |
| 10:09.08 | Pupeno | techbee: that doesn't seem to overwrite the current configs with the original ones. Am I missing some option? |
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| 10:10.10 | defrysk | tokemm, run the avifile in vlc and see if its in one peace |
| 10:10.11 | tokemm | but it happens with all avi files... |
| 10:10.22 | defrysk | ow ? |
| 10:10.27 | techbee | Pupeno:do u want to restore the default configuration of package ? |
| 10:10.44 | defrysk | tokemm, try df -h |
| 10:11.10 | defrysk | got space ? |
| 10:11.21 | Pupeno | techbee: yes. |
| 10:12.25 | enouf | Pupeno: --purge remove pkg and install again |
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| 10:12.40 | tokemm | I've tried df -h |
| 10:12.42 | Pupeno | enouf: that would require removing half my system that depend on it. |
| 10:12.47 | tokemm | what do I have to write after it ? |
| 10:12.48 | tokemm | =P |
| 10:12.53 | enouf | nope |
| 10:12.53 | defrysk | nothing |
| 10:13.03 | defrysk | howmuch room do you have left ? |
| 10:13.12 | tokemm | 20GB |
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| 10:13.23 | Pupeno | enouf: that nope is to me? |
| 10:13.27 | defrysk | tokemm, then i do not know sorry |
| 10:13.28 | enouf | you could try confmiss |
| 10:13.33 | enouf | Pupeno: yep |
| 10:13.49 | enouf | !confmiss |
| 10:13.49 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 10:13.57 | tokemm | oh... =\ |
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| 10:14.06 | tokemm | all right thanks... I'll keep trying |
| 10:14.27 | defrysk | tokemm, good luck and find some ffmpeg forum or whatever |
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| 10:14.40 | tokemm | nobody in #ffmpeg answer anything... |
| 10:14.41 | tokemm | okay |
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| 10:16.00 | Pupeno | enouf: thanks. |
| 10:16.12 | enouf | some of you might find this interesting http://www.linuxdriver.co.il/kernel_map |
| 10:16.34 | enouf | Pupeno: no prob |
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| 10:17.26 | ivant | is there a way to save the packages state (which packages and versions are installed) on one Debian machine, and apply it to another? |
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| 10:17.43 | enouf | !selections |
| 10:17.43 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 10:18.14 | ivant | thanks |
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| 10:22.38 | liri | the ~/.gnupg/secring.gpg is the private key filename? |
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| 10:25.03 | liri | ahh nm |
| 10:25.10 | user1__ | anyone really really good at squirrelmail? |
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| 10:26.33 | wols_ | Atharax: !tell user1__ about ask |
| 10:26.45 | wols_ | doh |
| 10:26.52 | wols_ | !tell use about ask |
| 10:27.02 | wols_ | aw shucks |
| 10:27.05 | enouf | !spank wols_ |
| 10:27.06 | BlackSlash13 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 10:27.17 | enouf | :-) |
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| 10:27.20 | BlackSlash13 | What should I download ? |
| 10:27.21 | BlackSlash13 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 10:27.26 | user1__ | where does squirrelmail store mails |
| 10:27.32 | user1__ | i wanna backup mails in squirrelmail |
| 10:27.33 | wols_ | BlackSlash13: the netinst ISO |
| 10:27.41 | wols_ | user1__: nowhere. an imap server does |
| 10:28.07 | BlackSlash13 | debian-40r1-i386-DVD-1.iso debian-40r1-i386-DVD-2.iso debian-40r1-i386-DVD-3.iso |
| 10:28.09 | BlackSlash13 | These ? |
| 10:28.26 | enouf | BlackSlash13: if you want all the software |
| 10:28.30 | wols_ | those aren't netinst ISOs. those are DVDs |
| 10:28.45 | wols_ | a netinst ISO is ~150MB in size |
| 10:28.51 | enouf | BlackSlash13: climb up a Dir, see netinstall |
| 10:29.02 | user1__ | where does exim4 store its mail at |
| 10:29.23 | wols_ | user1__: where you tell it to. if you have a running squirrelmail you have a impa server somewhere |
| 10:29.43 | BlackSlash13 | I want all the software |
| 10:29.51 | BlackSlash13 | Should I need debian-update-4.0r1-i386-DVD-1.iso ?????? |
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| 10:30.08 | wols_ | BlackSlash13: why do you want all of it offline? |
| 10:30.12 | enouf | BlackSlash13: then your 1st one is correct |
| 10:30.30 | enouf | BlackSlash13: 40r1 indicates the update |
| 10:30.34 | enouf | !debain-update |
| 10:30.37 | enouf | !debian-update |
| 10:30.44 | BlackSlash13 | Fuck, I am confused |
| 10:30.49 | user1__ | wols_, i know, my client has squirrelmail, im asked to create some crontab shitty job to backup his fucking mails with rsync piece of crap |
| 10:30.49 | wols_ | BlackSlash13: to save some debian server traffic, install the netinst and install the rest via aptitude |
| 10:31.04 | BlackSlash13 | Ok where is netinst ? |
| 10:31.13 | enouf | !di |
| 10:31.14 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 10:31.19 | wols_ | user1__: if you don't know even enough about MTAs and things like that, you are the wrong person for the job |
| 10:31.30 | user1__ | i know MTA |
| 10:31.36 | user1__ | smtp, pop3, right? |
| 10:31.49 | user1__ | squirrelamil reads imap only so imap is setup too |
| 10:31.50 | wols_ | no you dn't. if you did you wouldn't ask where it stores mail. QeD |
| 10:31.54 | user1__ | now i need to backup those mails |
| 10:32.04 | user1__ | are they on smtp? |
| 10:32.07 | user1__ | or pop3 |
| 10:32.08 | user1__ | or imap |
| 10:32.16 | BlackSlash13 | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ I am here |
| 10:32.20 | user1__ | you don't know either |
| 10:32.26 | enouf | !4.0r1 |
| 10:32.26 | dpkg | well, 4.0r1 is the latest update of Debian 4.0, published Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:47:02 UTC. See http://times.debian.net/1161-etch-r1 |
| 10:32.26 | BlackSlash13 | netinst CD image (generally 135-175 MB) |
| 10:32.27 | BlackSlash13 | right ? |
| 10:32.33 | wols_ | BlackSlash13: yes |
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| 10:33.27 | BlackSlash13 | Ok downloading cd netinst CD Image got i386 |
| 10:33.40 | wols_ | BlackSlash13: how do you connect to the internet? router with dhcp? |
| 10:33.55 | BlackSlash13 | router with DHCP |
| 10:34.02 | wols_ | then it should be fine |
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| 10:34.09 | BlackSlash13 | Yeah |
| 10:34.18 | wols_ | with dialup etc, it can be hard to set up an internet connection |
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| 10:34.27 | BlackSlash13 | 4.0r1 is the latest updates published version, right ? |
| 10:34.32 | enouf | BlackSlash13: don't forget the md5sum checks |
| 10:34.36 | wols_ | yes |
| 10:34.52 | BlackSlash13 | What are these md5sum ? |
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| 10:35.42 | protocol1 | Does anybody know about DBUS? |
| 10:35.44 | BlackSlash13 | enouf: What do you mean ? |
| 10:35.47 | defrysk | blackbart, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum |
| 10:36.06 | protocol1 | I am stuck with one problem related to DBUS. |
| 10:36.09 | defrysk | slash that is |
| 10:36.35 | protocol1 | which medthod I could use for ending my dbus listener, so that I don't get any message. |
| 10:36.46 | Bluechip | !boot cd |
| 10:37.15 | protocol1 | I used "dbus_connection_add_filter (bus, filter_function, ad, NULL)" |
| 10:37.28 | protocol1 | so that I could get the dbus messages notification in the filter_function. |
| 10:37.43 | protocol1 | Is it possible for remove filter_function so that I don't get anymore dbus message notification. |
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| 10:38.33 | BlackSlash13 | There are no md5sum files in netinst CD image... |
| 10:38.57 | wols_ | there are files in the directory of the image |
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| 10:39.05 | Bluechip | !bootcd |
| 10:39.09 | Bluechip | !boot cd |
| 10:39.14 | BlackSlash13 | Oh, I see wols |
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| 10:39.25 | BlackSlash13 | So, when download the iso image, and burn it |
| 10:39.28 | user1__ | so where does exim store its mail, i need to backup its mail |
| 10:39.40 | databuddy | so is there a way to make debian into an expert compiling system so everything compiles instead of uses binaries? |
| 10:39.40 | BlackSlash13 | What should I do with these ? |
| 10:39.51 | databuddy | or like a portage for debians? |
| 10:39.53 | wols_ | user1__: exim4 doesn't store a single mail. ever. it's a mail transport agent. not a mail storage... |
| 10:39.53 | enouf | Bluechip: apt-cache show bootcd |
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| 10:40.09 | BlackSlash13 | Is there something to be done before Debian installation ? |
| 10:40.20 | wols_ | databuddy: no. you can (manually) use apt-get source/build for any package tho. but only manually so far |
| 10:40.22 | user1__ | wols_, but it sends mail to local mailbox per mail address RCTP |
| 10:40.25 | enouf | !ubcd |
| 10:40.26 | dpkg | i guess ubcd is http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 10:40.29 | wfq | hi guys? Does anyone has a article where speaks about fors and againsts of Clusters? |
| 10:40.38 | Bluechip | enouf: I'm more after information on how to create my own install CD ...it's all great right up to "and then burn a bootable cd" :' HOW? LOL |
| 10:40.42 | databuddy | wols_ yeh.. know about that bit... thanx |
| 10:40.46 | wols_ | !custom cd |
| 10:40.46 | dpkg | well, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian |
| 10:41.05 | wols_ | Bluechip: usually you get a ISO from debian.org and simply burn it as image. that's it |
| 10:41.12 | enouf | !win wols_ |
| 10:41.12 | dpkg | Congratulations, wols_! You have won the US presidency! |
| 10:41.16 | user1__ | if mail address is in RCTP list, mail goes to local mailbox, and a pop3 or imap server reads the box, right? |
| 10:41.40 | Bluechip | wols_: Yes, but when you want to add three files to the disk that you've downloaded - things get VERY undocumented |
| 10:41.45 | wols_ | depends how you set it up. by default: wrong |
| 10:41.54 | BlackSlash13 | Hey guys, why you told me NOT TO FORGET the md5sums ? |
| 10:42.00 | enouf | Bluechip: mount -o loop the debian ISO |
| 10:42.15 | enouf | Bluechip: mkdir somewhere - cp contents over into |
| 10:42.20 | wols_ | enouf: is this writable, being ISO9660 and all? |
| 10:42.27 | enouf | Bluechip: add you won shit - reroll ISO |
| 10:42.34 | wols_ | enouf: aht won't giev you a bootable CD again (easily) |
| 10:42.47 | user1__ | wols_, am i right? |
| 10:42.58 | user1__ | wols_, have you admin a mail server before? |
| 10:43.05 | BlackSlash13 | Kanenas ellinas ? |
| 10:43.13 | wols_ | user1__: I told you you aren't. and I told you/gave you pointers long before. you have an imap server, use it |
| 10:43.28 | enouf | wols_: no prob |
| 10:43.29 | user1__ | wols_, i have both imap and pop |
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| 10:43.37 | user1__ | wols_, it's dovecot |
| 10:43.42 | enouf | something like (depending on needed options) |
| 10:43.43 | enouf | $ genisoimage -R -J -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o /mnt/p3/home/distro/2mydebian.iso /mnt/p3/home/distro/agiofws |
| 10:43.52 | user1__ | wols_, do i backup mails for dovecot? |
| 10:43.55 | wols_ | Bluechip: the troublem is you need a floppy image (a bootfloppy) which you need to use with some mkisofs options to create a bootableC |
| 10:43.59 | wols_ | CD |
| 10:44.05 | enouf | or ask k3b to do it for you |
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| 10:44.28 | wols_ | user1__: dovecot has several ways to store mails. best use a (simplified) imap client to read out the mails |
| 10:44.28 | enouf | well, k3b is for burning, not rolling the ISO |
| 10:44.45 | BlackSlash13 | What I have to do with these files (md5sum) ??????? |
| 10:44.47 | liable | it can roll it too |
| 10:44.58 | BlackSlash13 | Should I use them to install debian ? |
| 10:45.00 | enouf | !tell BlackSlash13 about md5sum |
| 10:45.01 | liable | growisofs can do it, and k3b uses that as backend |
| 10:45.03 | defrysk | most burning guis have a "make iso only" option |
| 10:45.37 | wols_ | Bluechip: no. they're there to enable you to verify the ISOs that they're not corrupted for example |
| 10:45.38 | Pupeno_ | do you know how do I append more domain names to "search" in /etc/resolv.conf from /etc/dhcp3/dhcp3-client.conf? |
| 10:45.43 | user1__ | wols_, read those mails to where |
| 10:45.47 | user1__ | it has pop3 |
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| 10:46.23 | wols_ | user1__: can you program? what language? otherwise: find out how dovecot is configured |
| 10:46.29 | BlackSlash13 | I am on Windows machine right now, and I am going to burn the ison image using Nero Burning Rom. Is that right ? |
| 10:46.44 | user1__ | i can't, i speak chinese and english, ok going to find out |
| 10:46.44 | databuddy | yeah |
| 10:46.51 | wols_ | Bluechip: yes |
| 10:47.05 | wols_ | user1__: language relates to PROGRAMMING language |
| 10:47.09 | databuddy | BlackSlash13 you wanna install debian? grab iso and burn it |
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| 10:47.13 | user1__ | oh that |
| 10:47.17 | user1__ | assembly |
| 10:47.21 | user1__ | only |
| 10:47.34 | wols_ | while assembly would work, it's kinda overkill |
| 10:47.41 | enouf | BlackSlash13: that's fine, use Burn Image option |
| 10:47.51 | wols_ | just learn how dovecot stores the mail and especially where, rsync those files/directories and be happy |
| 10:48.04 | enouf | BlackSlash13: use md5summer or similar on wintendo PRIOR to burning to verify good d/l |
| 10:48.05 | user1__ | ok thanks wols_ |
| 10:48.08 | databuddy | zomg its enouf ! y0 :> |
| 10:48.17 | enouf | :-P |
| 10:48.19 | databuddy | enouf hashcalc rulz :> |
| 10:48.31 | enouf | schwing |
| 10:50.02 | Bluechip | So do I download an ISO, mount -o loop, add files, burn to cd ....or use genisoimage ...or user mkisofs to make a boot floppy which I then use somehow? |
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| 10:50.32 | enouf | Bluechip: mkdir /new ; cp contents from loop into /newdir |
| 10:51.11 | Bluechip | enuof ...ok - so grab a copy of everything on the CD to a directory on my hdd |
| 10:51.18 | enouf | Bluechip: make sure you get all contents - the .disks one can be missed (cp -a or -R ) |
| 10:51.29 | bullgard4 | I read the headline of /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20/drivers/mtd/mtdblock.c "Direct MTD block device access" What does 'MTD' stand for? |
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| 10:51.48 | enouf | or is it .dists |
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| 10:52.11 | Bluechip | ...making sure to include .files ;) |
| 10:52.15 | enouf | no, it's .disk , iinm |
| 10:52.47 | Bluechip | OK ...then I update the repo with the extras that I want/need |
| 10:53.02 | Bluechip | so now I have my new CD as a directory structure on my hdd |
| 10:53.16 | wols_ | Bluechip: can't you read the factoid I pasted vey very early? |
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| 10:53.56 | Bluechip | this one? : [11:41] wols_: Bluechip: usually you get a ISO from debian.org and simply burn it as image. that's it |
| 10:54.29 | enouf | bullgard4: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Technology_Device |
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| 10:55.08 | enouf | [06:41:50] <wols_> !custom cd |
| 10:55.17 | enouf | Bluechip: ^^^^ |
| 10:55.31 | enouf | see following dpkg answer |
| 10:55.41 | liable | i wish everyone would use gmt for irc |
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| 10:55.55 | enouf | Bluechip: /msg dpkg custom cd |
| 10:56.05 | Bluechip | I already have all three pages open in opera |
| 10:56.36 | Bluechip | trying to find the bit "these are the steps to make your cd bootable" as we chat :) |
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| 10:57.19 | enouf | Bluechip: get aquainted with file, isoinfo, growisofs |
| 10:57.47 | enouf | and genisoimage (was mkisofs) and wodim (was cdrecord) |
| 10:58.20 | Bluechip | I have read the 40-A4-page man'ual for genisoimage - most verbose and unintuitive |
| 10:58.37 | enouf | makes sense to me ;-) |
| 10:58.44 | Bluechip | <ency> |
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| 10:58.45 | enouf | (most of it) |
| 10:58.47 | Bluechip | <envy> |
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| 10:59.15 | Bluechip | I'd settle for understading just enough of it to be able to create a bootable debian install CD |
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| 11:01.24 | Bluechip | M$ might not be the best, but it sure is a 'stroll in the park' to create a bootable cd |
| 11:01.45 | enouf | k3b et al do the same |
| 11:02.12 | liable | dunno whats the problem. |
| 11:02.32 | Bluechip | lack of knowledge/experience |
| 11:02.34 | liable | for me its always been, download the iso, cdrecord /path/to/iso, boot |
| 11:02.57 | Bluechip | try inserting "add some files to the iso" in the middle of that sequence |
| 11:02.59 | enouf | liable: well, personally, right now - i happen to have a bit too much gas ;-) |
| 11:03.26 | enouf | liable: more mutant children |
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| 11:03.40 | liable | enouf: awsome! cabbage for dinner last night? |
| 11:03.48 | liable | more mutant children? |
| 11:03.57 | enouf | liable: ;-) |
| 11:04.06 | enouf | offspring - based on debian |
| 11:04.17 | liable | oh dear |
| 11:04.27 | liable | Bluechip: why are you adding files? |
| 11:04.38 | enouf | liable: (custom cd) |
| 11:04.41 | enouf | yeah |
| 11:04.57 | Bluechip | ^^custom cd ...couple of personal packages to the repo |
| 11:04.58 | liable | but why? |
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| 11:05.28 | enouf | dpkg: do you have any "personal packages"? |
| 11:05.37 | Bluechip | if I quantify myself to your satisfaction, will you promise me a solution? |
| 11:05.45 | liable | no |
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| 11:05.52 | Bluechip | then we have a deal |
| 11:05.53 | liable | thats not how irc works |
| 11:06.20 | Bluechip | no, it's how helpful people work |
| 11:06.36 | liable | you are confused |
| 11:06.42 | Bluechip | yes |
| 11:06.46 | enouf | spill the beans man .. c'mon, you know you want to |
| 11:06.47 | Bluechip | hence looking for help |
| 11:06.49 | liable | do you think any of us get payed to help here? |
| 11:06.58 | jbm | I do |
| 11:06.59 | liable | thus we are helpful people |
| 11:07.04 | Bluechip | jbm does |
| 11:07.15 | defrysk | good job |
| 11:07.21 | wols_ | jbm: who pays you for helping here? |
| 11:07.30 | liable | jbm: go check your server logs like you should be! |
| 11:07.31 | jbm | liable |
| 11:07.32 | defrysk | microsoft ;p |
| 11:07.32 | enouf | s/he's at work |
| 11:07.58 | bullgard4 | enouf: Thank you very much for explaining me 'MTD'. |
| 11:08.00 | tdn | I have problems starting Firefox over SSH with X-forwarding. I have three hosts: A, B and C. Host A is local to me. I SSH with ssh -YC to B. From B I SSH with ssh-YC to C. From C I start Firefox. When nothing happens I strace the Firefox process and get this: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P957.html (output from strace) |
| 11:08.07 | wols_ | tat doesn't mean he gets paid for helping here. he simply cheats his employer. that's nothing special |
| 11:08.17 | enouf | bullgard4: easily googable, or wikipedia-able ;-) |
| 11:08.39 | liable | yeah, wols_ does that everyday to |
| 11:08.42 | liable | o |
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| 11:09.03 | enouf | wols_: point |
| 11:09.11 | wols_ | tdn: what IS fd 4? |
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| 11:09.29 | enouf | wols_: that's why i raided the stash without guilt :-P |
| 11:09.34 | tdn | wols_, I have no idea. |
| 11:09.47 | bullgard4 | enouf: Not so easy. More than 1.5 million Google entries. |
| 11:09.57 | wols_ | tdn: then maybe find out? |
| 11:10.01 | liable | learn to seepd read! |
| 11:10.07 | tdn | wols_, how? |
| 11:10.13 | liable | oh, thats some dyslexia for you |
| 11:10.24 | wols_ | bullgard4: and to type without typos. unlike liable :P |
| 11:10.31 | enouf | bullgard4: i know, it took me a few tries .. but expanding (to inculde 'PC' and 'block device') quickly found an answer |
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| 11:10.42 | wols_ | tdn: by checking the /proc entry for the process |
| 11:11.31 | tdn | wols_, /proc/4470/fd/4: symbolic link to `/root/.mozilla/firefox/3c913j7e.default/.parentlock' |
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| 11:11.39 | cpilka | hi folks. after changing the control file in a .deb (after ar xf foo.deb), how to create a new .deb? |
| 11:11.56 | enouf | nice, running FF as rooty tooty |
| 11:12.20 | Bluechip | enouf: is there a version of k3b which runs on gnome (because I only have a gnome box to hand) |
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| 11:12.33 | defrysk | gnomebaker |
| 11:12.36 | defrysk | graveman |
| 11:12.44 | Bluechip | thanks |
| 11:12.48 | tdn | wols_, so what does it mean? That this file is not available? |
| 11:13.02 | karmatronic | Bluechip: i use basero, it s perfect |
| 11:13.06 | enouf | Bluechip: xcdroast? gnomeburner? i don;t know - use apt-cache search |
| 11:13.27 | Bluechip | cheers all :) |
| 11:13.33 | bullgard4 | enouf: Probably the difference was that you had a faint idea about th proper category when analyzing the Google output. I somehow thought it might be connected to 'mean time' or 'mounted device' ... |
| 11:14.09 | liable | you can install k3b on a gnome box |
| 11:14.23 | liable | you just get a few qtlibs |
| 11:14.24 | defrysk | liable, bloat |
| 11:14.35 | enouf | bullgard4: "Direct MTD block device access" was more the clue |
| 11:14.39 | liable | hah, as if gnome isnt already! |
| 11:14.56 | wols_ | tdn: it's a lockfile. maybe the file exists before ffox is started already so it can't acquire the log and can't start until it does |
| 11:15.02 | enouf | !start a de war |
| 11:15.16 | tdn | wols_, but no other Firefox process is running. |
| 11:15.28 | dongs | im gonna end the de war real quick, i use windows vista business. |
| 11:15.33 | wols_ | tdn: that's not the point. don't run any ffox and look if the file exists or not |
| 11:15.41 | dongs | and I actually get work done. while you decide what qt/gnome libs to install. |
| 11:15.43 | enouf | hence your name : dongs |
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| 11:15.47 | defrysk | dongs, how productive |
| 11:15.59 | tdn | wols_, ok. And if I shut down all Firefox, can I just delete the file |
| 11:16.00 | tdn | ? |
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| 11:16.06 | wols_ | tdn: yes |
| 11:16.16 | tdn | wols_, ok. Thanks. |
| 11:16.22 | defrysk | lol |
| 11:16.22 | dongs | defrysk: absolutely. i don't need to waste time editing random config files, figuring out why firefox doesnt start, or any other random typical lunix problem. |
| 11:16.29 | dongs | defrysk: everything just works. |
| 11:16.42 | defrysk | dongs, funny guy you are |
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| 11:16.48 | wols_ | dongs: stop trolling and OT-ness please |
| 11:16.50 | enouf | now THAT's a paid to be here employee ;-) |
| 11:16.59 | defrysk | :D |
| 11:16.59 | jbm | omg teh lunix |
| 11:17.00 | wols_ | enouf: good point |
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| 11:20.22 | user1__ | where does exim4 store its user account |
| 11:20.37 | jbm | what |
| 11:21.21 | abrotman | user1__: you mean the mail, or the account? |
| 11:21.42 | user1__ | account |
| 11:21.46 | wols_ | user1__: either system accounts or a database |
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| 11:22.09 | user1__ | it' suinsg mysql authen |
| 11:22.09 | abrotman | and if it's a database .. your admin should know about it .. |
| 11:22.12 | wols_ | user1__: there are SOOO many ways to set up a mailsystem that there is never a definitive answer |
| 11:22.14 | abrotman | then it's mysql |
| 11:22.27 | wols_ | to any of your questions |
| 11:22.28 | abrotman | it's too early for sunday! |
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| 11:22.53 | user1__ | what's on sunday |
| 11:23.02 | wols_ | abrotman: like timezones. somehwre on this mudball, it'S always a local sunday |
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| 11:24.08 | user1__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.25 | user1__ | i wrote this to get login id from mysql for exim4 |
| 11:25.18 | user1__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:25.29 | user1__ | but this one will get virtual mailbox |
| 11:25.34 | p0g0__ | anyone else having trouble with ftp.debian.org (128.101.240.212) ? |
| 11:25.36 | user1__ | for the selected user |
| 11:25.42 | user1__ | so i don't know which one to backup |
| 11:27.33 | abrotman | user1__: shouldn't you ask #exim ? |
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| 11:27.50 | user1__ | na those guys are not as proas you are |
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| 11:27.58 | user1__ | you are here 24/7/365 |
| 11:28.18 | Bluechip | making a bootable windows cd: download a boot disk image from bootdisk.com; put it on a floppy; add all your files in nero; click "make it bootable" & point at the floppy disk; press "burn" |
| 11:28.18 | wols_ | user1__: you are very mistaken |
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| 11:29.03 | abrotman | user1__: #exim is pretty good .. |
| 11:29.14 | abrotman | and we've got about two people in here that actually know exim well |
| 11:29.20 | user1__ | they are good and dead |
| 11:29.26 | abrotman | so wait |
| 11:29.29 | abrotman | !piav |
| 11:29.29 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
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| 11:29.38 | Bluechip | (oops, window stopped scrolling - that was a reply to a comment @12:15) |
| 11:31.16 | enouf | Bluechip: you don't even need to d/l extraneous crap and make floppies and shit with linux and a debian ISO (or any other major distribution) |
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| 11:31.49 | Bluechip | you don't NEED to with windows - I just happen to like KISS solutions |
| 11:32.17 | enouf | you just basically said you did |
| 11:32.30 | Bluechip | if you say so |
| 11:32.38 | EmleyMoor | Are there any pros/cons/caveats I should be aware of before changing my PATA DVD writer with a SATA one? |
| 11:32.51 | enouf | look in /install.386/floppy/* and be amazed |
| 11:32.56 | abrotman | enouf: so explain m-a |
| 11:33.15 | bullgard4 | Please recommend an introduction to 'kernel object' and 'kernel object system' in a 2.6 Linux kernel. |
| 11:33.18 | enouf | abrotman: ... |
| 11:33.28 | abrotman | bullgard4: please ask ##kernel |
| 11:33.45 | enouf | bullgard4: i concur |
| 11:33.56 | abrotman | doctor, do you concur? |
| 11:34.11 | Bluechip | enouf: I'd be more than happy to trade you three fully explained working ways of creating a windows boot cd in exchange for one linux way :) |
| 11:34.21 | enouf | bullgard4: try also #kernelnewbies on oftc.net - and patience ;-) |
| 11:34.38 | bullgard4 | abrotman: You do not know what you are saying. I have got bad responses in ##kernel. |
| 11:34.55 | EmleyMoor | Do SATA DVD writers work well in Linux (especially Debian)? |
| 11:34.56 | Bluechip | enouf: I'm pretty good at explaining stuff so pretty much anyone can folllow the simple directions :) |
| 11:34.58 | abrotman | bullgard4: this is #debian .. we're not here to answer questions about finding reference material on kernel internals |
| 11:36.04 | abrotman | bullgard4: or try the LKML |
| 11:36.04 | wols_ | Bluechip: for the last time: |
| 11:36.09 | wols_ | !tell Bluechip about custom cd |
| 11:36.17 | spq | !dpkg simple backport |
| 11:36.22 | spq | !simple backport |
| 11:36.27 | wols_ | !tell spq about selftell |
| 11:36.31 | enouf | Bluechip: substitute isolinux.zytor.com for your bootdisk.com, if you like |
| 11:36.31 | spq | :) |
| 11:36.32 | spq | ty |
| 11:36.35 | wols_ | spq: hint, it's simply sid backport |
| 11:36.39 | cokeslut | hey |
| 11:37.00 | spq | sorry & thanks :) |
| 11:37.05 | enouf | (wonders if the url is correct :-P) |
| 11:37.06 | microtux | hi |
| 11:37.23 | enouf | nope .. gah |
| 11:37.57 | Bluechip | wols_: patronise me please ...tell me exaactly which bit of which of the three links (that I still have open) I am failing to understand (rather than just repeating instructions that have already failed to help four times (three today, once yesterday)) |
| 11:38.20 | enouf | http://syslinux.zytor.com/iso.php |
| 11:38.28 | Bluechip | cheers |
| 11:38.28 | microtux | i just installed Lenny and the sound does not work, any help? |
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| 11:38.48 | EmleyMoor | microtux: Is the module for your soundcard loaded? |
| 11:39.05 | microtux | EmleyMoor, can't compile alsa !! |
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| 11:39.41 | wfq | hi |
| 11:39.44 | enouf | cokeslut: how's it hangin? |
| 11:39.47 | microtux | EmleyMoor, i don't know the name of the module for my soundcard !! |
| 11:39.50 | EmleyMoor | microtux: What happens when you try? |
| 11:39.55 | EmleyMoor | What is the soundcard? |
| 11:39.56 | cokeslut | I'll find out |
| 11:40.00 | wfq | is there anyone who is using a cluster as web servers? |
| 11:40.21 | defrysk | lspci | grep audio |
| 11:40.29 | microtux | EmleyMoor, it told me that the gcc can't create executable. i tried to compile a HelloWorld by myself and it fails |
| 11:40.53 | EmleyMoor | microtux: How does that relate to your soundcard? |
| 11:40.59 | efaistos_ | did someone use gnokii or something like this to implement sms solution for sending txt ? |
| 11:41.12 | EmleyMoor | lspci | grep audio and see what it says |
| 11:41.26 | microtux | EmleyMoor, i thought that i havr to compile the alsa driver by myself.!! |
| 11:41.36 | defrysk | hehe |
| 11:41.37 | abrotman | somewhere .. out there .. beneath the pale blue sky ... |
| 11:41.38 | enouf | omg, it is sunday |
| 11:41.49 | EmleyMoor | microtux: Depends. If it's already done and available, why bother? It might be |
| 11:41.59 | harpal | when I boot to deban 4.0 than my sound becomes 0 and its muted default why? |
| 11:42.17 | microtux | EmleyMoor, ok , one moment |
| 11:42.22 | EmleyMoor | harpal: You need to install a mixer that can save the settings |
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| 11:42.33 | microtux | EmleyMoor, 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 11:43.01 | abrotman | ah .. that should be supported |
| 11:43.07 | EmleyMoor | ICH5(R) is not one I know but I would expect the module to be already available |
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| 11:43.44 | microtux | so? what's the matter ? |
| 11:43.47 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: it's an old intel chipset .. from maybe .. 3-4 years ago |
| 11:43.49 | defrysk | lsmod | grep snd |
| 11:43.55 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 11:43.55 | dpkg | [alsa-checklist] 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 11:44.01 | microtux | abrotman, yes you're right |
| 11:44.08 | EmleyMoor | abrotman: I don't use Intel chipsets very often |
| 11:44.09 | abrotman | i know! |
| 11:44.19 | microtux | abrotman, :) |
| 11:44.19 | abrotman | EmleyMoor: for comparison ... they're up to ich8 now |
| 11:44.28 | abrotman | maybe even 9 .. dunno |
| 11:45.01 | enouf | microtux: lspci -n | grep '00:1f.5' says? |
| 11:45.52 | abrotman | "bob" |
| 11:46.03 | microtux | enouf, 00:1f.5 0401: 8086:24d5 (rev 02) |
| 11:46.18 | enouf | throw "speaker-test -tsine -f440" somewhere in there |
| 11:46.25 | liable | yeah they're up to 9 |
| 11:46.33 | enouf | microtux: one sec |
| 11:46.48 | abrotman | i810_audio 0x00008086 0x000024d5 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 11:46.48 | abrotman | snd-intel8x0 0x00008086 0x000024d5 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 11:47.10 | EmleyMoor | Ah - I think this laptop has something like that :-) |
| 11:47.37 | enouf | microtux: modprobe i810_audio (or snd-intel8x0) |
| 11:47.49 | enouf | and modprobe snd_mixer_oss |
| 11:47.54 | abrotman | likely the latter |
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| 11:48.05 | enouf | abrotman: bastage ;-) |
| 11:48.33 | enouf | abrotman: are you using something like this syntax? grep '8086\ .*24d5' |
| 11:48.46 | abrotman | i am smarter than you! |
| 11:48.49 | abrotman | wait .. no |
| 11:49.12 | abrotman | you would gain .. nothing |
| 11:49.24 | enouf | i'd get wakefield ;-) |
| 11:49.26 | cpilka | hi folks. anyone here can help me backporting a package from sid to etch? never did it before, but i get this archive: http://wiki.slashconcept.com/nomachine-3.0.0+freenx-0.7.0.tar.gz containing the sid .debs and the whole debian build tree? i have no idea where to start now. |
| 11:49.37 | EmleyMoor | enouf: The whole borough? |
| 11:49.43 | abrotman | enouf: only if you !frankthomassmite him .. |
| 11:49.52 | enouf | hehe - no, just the broken pitcher |
| 11:50.08 | abrotman | there's a borough of wakefield ? |
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| 11:50.16 | EmleyMoor | Yes - in West Yorkshire |
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| 11:50.31 | enouf | Britian has burroughs? |
| 11:50.40 | Kaiten4 | Does anyone have a standard gdm defaults.conf file I can use? |
| 11:50.50 | techbee | !tell cplka about simple sid backport |
| 11:50.58 | abrotman | freenx isn't in debian |
| 11:51.07 | abrotman | and you mistabbed the nick |
| 11:51.42 | Bluechip | LOL |
| 11:51.45 | smhar | good afternoon to all |
| 11:51.47 | smhar | I am having problems getting apt-proxy to work. I have configured it in the server (see conf http://paste.debian.net/37393) the server is an old computer with only 64MB of ram but plenty of swap. I never had a problem with that (see meminfo http://paste.debian.net/37400) I also configured the client accordingly |
| 11:51.53 | smhar | But when I apt-get update it just keeps checking and nothing is done |
| 11:52.05 | abrotman | smhar: how long did you wait ? |
| 11:52.50 | smhar | abrotman, very.. like ten minutes for something that usually takes a like 20 seconds max |
| 11:53.41 | smhar | abrotman, it just shows 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 11:53.59 | Kaiten4 | I'm sorry, does anyone have the standard debian generated custom.conf gdm file? |
| 11:54.15 | abrotman | smhar: i tried to use it .. had somewhat similar results .. just seemed i had to wait a long time |
| 11:54.21 | abrotman | Kaiten4: get it from the package |
| 11:54.35 | alex^^ | !dist-upgrade |
| 11:54.35 | dpkg | dist-upgrade is a command to apt-get which will attempt to do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> <woody->sarge> or <sarge->etch> |
| 11:54.48 | alex^^ | any docs on how to perform a dist upgrade? |
| 11:54.53 | hark | Kaiten4: no custom.conf for debian |
| 11:55.00 | abrotman | alex^^: from sarge to etch you mean ? |
| 11:55.03 | alex^^ | ya |
| 11:55.09 | abrotman | !tell alex^^ about release notes |
| 11:55.12 | enouf | !sarge->etch |
| 11:55.13 | dpkg | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. also ask me about <security> |
| 11:55.56 | Kaiten4 | hark: well there was a huge very commented file that pertained to configuring custom.conf explicitly for debian and I accidently deleted and now gdm is fucked |
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| 11:56.30 | abrotman | Kaiten4: get it from the package |
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| 11:56.55 | hark | Kaiten4: /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf ? |
| 11:56.57 | smhar | abrotman, any other solution you recommend? other than apt-cache? the system is an old one |
| 11:57.22 | abrotman | apt-cacher and approx are alternatives |
| 11:57.42 | Kaiten4 | hark: /etc/gdm/custom.conf |
| 11:58.02 | abrotman | smhar: ask me again when i get back around to re-doing it :) |
| 11:58.16 | hark | Kaiten4: what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 11:58.21 | abrotman | !find gdm/custom.conf etch |
| 11:58.26 | smhar | abrotman, apt-cacher needs apache and the system is only P2 233 with 64MB, I am not sure it can handle apache smoothly |
| 11:58.38 | enouf | dpkg -l libc6 + tail -1 |
| 11:58.38 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 + tail -1 |
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| 11:58.43 | enouf | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 11:58.43 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 |
| 11:58.53 | abrotman | smhar: it can likely handle apache more easily than it can processing the apt lists :) |
| 11:58.55 | smhar | abrotman, approx is not in packages when apt-cache seach |
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| 11:58.57 | enouf | oh my |
| 11:59.00 | Kaiten4 | ii libc6 2.6.1-1+b1 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 11:59.00 | abrotman | !info approx etch |
| 11:59.04 | dpkg | approx: (caching proxy server for Debian archive files), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.8.0 (etch), Packaged size: 559 kB, Installed size: 1560 kB |
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| 12:00.25 | smhar | abrotman, oh me wrong. |
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| 12:00.59 | Kaiten4 | what's the flag to tell dpkg to upgrade a package? |
| 12:01.04 | hark | Kaiten4: there's no custom.conf, instead /etc/gdm/gdm.conf is used to override the default values in /usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf |
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| 12:01.33 | enouf | Kaiten4: -u |
| 12:01.37 | smhar | abrotman, so of the approx and apt-cacher which one do you recommend? for an old P2 233 with 64MB serving 3-4 computers |
| 12:01.54 | enouf | er, it's an apt-get option |
| 12:02.10 | abrotman | smhar: try them both ? |
| 12:02.37 | smhar | abrotman, good answer :-) |
| 12:02.49 | smhar | abrotman, should I give up on apt-proxy then? |
| 12:02.59 | enouf | apt-ftparchive? |
| 12:03.41 | abrotman | smhar: try all three! :) |
| 12:03.41 | enouf | gah, nm |
| 12:03.53 | Kaiten4 | when I load gdm or try to run gdmsetup it says: Could not access configuration file (custom.conf) |
| 12:04.12 | abrotman | !+find gdm/custom.conf etch |
| 12:04.13 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 12:04.16 | abrotman | !+find gdm/custom.conf sid |
| 12:04.17 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 12:04.18 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gdm/custom.conf' returned no results. |
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| 12:04.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'gdm/custom.conf' returned no results. |
| 12:04.40 | Kaiten4 | interesting |
| 12:04.47 | maniacxs | hi, after upgrade from sarge to etch i have a problem. A host with one network interface says in dmesg it loaded "Tigon3" for eth0. But there is no eth0 shown by ifconfig. Only a eth1. if i force to do dhcp on eth1 in kernel output eth1 appears (the first time) and it gets an ip. how do i switch it back to eth0? |
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| 12:05.17 | smhar | enouf, i will check that too |
| 12:05.24 | EmleyMoor | maniacxs: I think I've seen something similar - it's to do with udev... I will check mine |
| 12:05.27 | stew | maniacxs: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 12:06.59 | maniacxs | stew: thank you. |
| 12:07.06 | tokemm | hello all, I did: #ffmpeg -i film.avi -target pal-dvd film.vob and then after 40% of conversion it stopped and it appearead: |
| 12:07.08 | tokemm | mdb:20, lastbuf:0 skipping granule 0 |
| 12:07.13 | tokemm | ffmpeg: motion_est_template.c:1065: epzs_motion_search_internal: Assertion |
| 12:07.23 | tokemm | (P[3][0]>>shift) <= xmax' failed. |
| 12:07.24 | tokemm | Aborted. |
| 12:07.37 | tokemm | how could I fix this problem? |
| 12:07.38 | tokemm | =P |
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| 12:09.09 | abrotman | maybe kaiten shouldn't have left |
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| 12:10.13 | Daejeo1 | I am sharing internet connection in windowsxp. how can i obtain the client ip address (i.e 192. 168.x.x. )without accessing client's pc |
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| 12:15.10 | liable | Daejeo1: eh? |
| 12:15.43 | Daejeo1 | oh my question is too vague |
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| 12:16.46 | Daejeo1 | liable: i connected vonafe adapter to my windowsxp box using cross cable |
| 12:17.02 | Daejeo1 | vonage voip adapter* |
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| 12:17.39 | liable | debian->windows->router->net? |
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| 12:18.25 | Daejeo1 | i want to know ip address of the adapter which has been assigned by windowsxp dhcp server |
| 12:18.28 | Daejeo1 | no no |
| 12:18.42 | EmleyMoor | Any Debian involvement at all? |
| 12:18.46 | Daejeo1 | just windowsxp and adapter |
| 12:18.53 | Daejeo1 | nope |
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| 12:19.55 | liable | ifconfig -a |
| 12:19.55 | Daejeo1 | h |
| 12:20.15 | liable | if that doesnt give it to you, i have absolutely no idea wht you are on about |
| 12:20.57 | xand | Daejeo1: ask a windows channel |
| 12:20.58 | Daejeo1 | ipconfig shows only public and gatway address |
| 12:21.19 | wols_ | Daejeo1: for XP problems, you are WAY off topic |
| 12:21.28 | Daejeo1 | xand: is there any windows channel? |
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| 12:22.27 | maniacxs | Daejeo1: try #windows |
| 12:22.35 | fireba11 | Daejeo1 : ##windows probably rather |
| 12:23.04 | liable | try any fucking channel than one for a linux distro |
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| 12:24.27 | Agiofws | hello does debians partition manager when installing itself re-size partitions ? |
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| 12:25.41 | liable | not that i am aware of. the etch one doesnt |
| 12:25.45 | Agiofws | wow |
| 12:25.47 | Agiofws | OK |
| 12:25.51 | liable | unless it changed from the old rc one i have |
| 12:25.53 | Agiofws | vista is ditched |
| 12:26.02 | xand | good choice |
| 12:26.02 | Agiofws | i suppose |
| 12:26.19 | Agiofws | yeah v debian made one for me |
| 12:26.30 | liable | Agiofws: you can get a small iso for that purpose if you want to resize vista |
| 12:27.22 | Agiofws | liable, i installed an iso now i THINK its too late |
| 12:27.31 | Agiofws | you mean goodbye windows ? |
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| 12:28.27 | liable | no, one of the parted live cd things |
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| 12:30.32 | p0g0__ | Agiofws: see www.sidux.com, for example, for a live CD with gparted (one of many such CD offerings) |
| 12:31.11 | wols_ | Agiofws: is there still a vista partition somewhere? |
| 12:31.20 | wols_ | fdisk -l should show you if you're in debian |
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| 12:32.56 | liable | i see goodbye windows is gonna be in the lenny installer.. |
| 12:33.21 | Agiofws | vista had the whole disk . i assumed that etches partitioner would re-size so i gave 30GB to vista hoping it would resize now grub does not show anything up i don't know if its been re-sized or erased ? |
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| 12:33.55 | liable | all gone |
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| 12:36.41 | wols_ | Agiofws: so what does fdisk -l show? |
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| 12:39.00 | Agiofws | wols_, |
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| 12:41.37 | Agiofws | wols_, http://rafb.net/p/16y8vT80.html |
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| 12:43.02 | Shifty | hello |
| 12:43.14 | Shifty | how can i install mcedit? |
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| 12:43.45 | cast_ | simon23: yeah, kinda. only without need a file |
| 12:43.49 | cast_ | Shifty: install 'mc' |
| 12:43.50 | stew | Shifty: aptitude install mc |
| 12:44.03 | Shifty | ok thx |
| 12:44.07 | cast_ | man, i got this trackball. have real trouble controlling it since i shake :| |
| 12:44.14 | Shifty | mcedit didnt work^^ |
| 12:44.31 | stew | Shifty: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 12:47.51 | kirillov | hi, i've got trouble installing an old epson sc 400.. i've got job in queue, it don't print |
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| 12:51.35 | wols_ | kirillov: cat /etc/fstab > /dev/lpß |
| 12:51.37 | wols_ | kirillov: cat /etc/fstab > /dev/lp0 |
| 12:52.18 | kirillov | wols_ what do u do with that? |
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| 12:52.46 | wols_ | you check if basic printing works (if it's a parallel port printer) |
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| 12:55.12 | fasta | Does Gnome support listing the directory of a remote system? When I use "Connect to server" and give correct information it doesn't do anything. No error message. Nothing |
| 12:55.18 | kirillov | wols_ it is printing! |
| 12:55.50 | wols_ | kirillov: so it's a software issue. probably cups |
| 12:55.55 | qrck | anyone knows how to give acces to pseudo terminals ? |
| 12:56.04 | kirillov | wols_ now is blocked |
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| 12:56.11 | wols_ | fasta: what kind of connection? what service? |
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| 12:56.24 | kirillov | it has the sheet in the middle |
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| 12:57.37 | fasta | wols_: ssh |
| 12:57.56 | fasta | wols_: or sftp |
| 12:58.05 | fasta | wols_: Konqueror does work |
| 12:58.15 | dussson | When i try to print a html file via konqueror, i get: "The file format text/html is not directly supported by the current print system." Which setting or config can I fiddle with to correct this? |
| 12:58.28 | fasta | I don't particularly care whether something works or not, but it should at least tell when something doesn't work. |
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| 12:58.49 | aisStar | Hello guys. |
| 12:59.15 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, if you don't mind helping me out... what do you use for a mail server? I've been looking at different options but can't seem to make up my mind as to what to install. Any recommendations? |
| 12:59.26 | Heavy-D | (on Debian etch) |
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| 12:59.59 | wols_ | Heavy-D: a mail server consist of at least two quite different programs. often many more |
| 13:00.19 | Heavy-D | wols_: Yeah, like postfix, courier-imap etc.. right? What do you use mostly? |
| 13:00.22 | aisStar | I know this is not Fetchmail channel. But is there anybody that can help a little. I have problems with fetchmail authentication. |
| 13:00.23 | wols_ | for the MTA, use exim oe postfix, for the mail strage an imap server. anyone but uwimapd |
| 13:01.05 | wols_ | !tell aisStar about smart questions |
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| 13:01.42 | aisStar | wols_ whats that? :-) |
| 13:01.46 | Heavy-D | wols_: So you recommmend IMAP for mail storage? |
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| 13:01.59 | fasta | wols_: another question: if I copy a file while it's being written, what happens? |
| 13:02.12 | fasta | wols_: I would want it to wait until the writes are complete |
| 13:02.15 | dussson | Heavy-D: just install squirrelmail. |
| 13:02.31 | fasta | wols_: i.e. atomic operations |
| 13:02.33 | Spida | Heavy-D: i use exim with courier-imap. |
| 13:02.38 | Heavy-D | dussson: What all does that allow you to do? |
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| 13:03.03 | dussson | Heavy-D: its a complete mail server system. |
| 13:03.22 | Heavy-D | dussson: Oh I thought it was only one component, thanks |
| 13:03.31 | Spida | Heavy-D: at the time I was setting this up, postfix was not able to do server-side mailfiltering with sieve filters from a ldap-"db" for virtual users.... |
| 13:03.59 | wols_ | Spida: where does exim or courier allow you to use sieve? |
| 13:04.30 | Spida | wols_: exim has the possibility to use sieve |
| 13:04.41 | wols_ | and what sieve daemon? |
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| 13:04.56 | Spida | wols_: exim, no seperate daemon |
| 13:05.09 | Spida | wols_: http://exim.org/exim-html-4.50/doc/html/filter_2.html |
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| 13:06.50 | tdn | wols_, I deleted the file. Now I started Firefox again. Not it's the same. I still get this resource temporarily unavailable in the strace. It is still fd 4. I took a look on what fd 4 was this time. Now it was: /proc/4672/fd/4: broken symbolic link to `socket:[2025502]'. Do you have any idea what I should do? |
| 13:07.45 | wols_ | tdn: not really. and it only happens with ssh'ed ffox? |
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| 13:08.06 | harpal | I have edited a perl file in gedit and now I have ^M at end of all line of my code. how to remove that ^M? |
| 13:08.13 | tdn | wols_, I do not have access to this machine by other means than SSH. |
| 13:08.26 | Heavy-D | Thanks for all your help and suggestions everybody. :) |
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| 13:10.40 | simmerz|work | when I upgraded from sarge to etch and in doing so upgraded apache 1.3 to 2.2, /etc/init.d/apache didn't get deleted even though the apache package did get deleted. any ideas? I know I can just delete it, but any reason why it wasn't removed? |
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| 13:11.09 | \amethyst | harpal: dos2unix or fromdos (package tofrodos); or open it in vim, :set ff=unix, and save; or perl -pi.bak -e 's/\r$//' |
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| 13:11.16 | stew | simmerz|work: config files aren't deleted until you purge the package |
| 13:11.40 | simmerz|work | stew: I can't purge a package if it isn't installed, right? |
| 13:11.54 | stew | simmerz|work: sure, "dpkg --purge packagename" |
| 13:11.58 | Nyle | logically |
| 13:12.07 | simmerz|work | ah ok |
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| 13:12.44 | liable | its not really logical, but thats how it works |
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| 13:13.44 | Nyle | if something isn't installed, you can't remove it |
| 13:14.32 | simmerz|work | stew: thanks. aptitude purge does the same too |
| 13:14.34 | liable | well, you can with dpkg. thats what is illogical |
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| 13:16.16 | Shifty | i just installed iceweasel on my debian machine ... but if i open it over the kmenu nothing happens... what could be the problem? (i installet it with apt-get install firefox) |
| 13:16.16 | Nyle | what? |
| 13:16.24 | Nyle | liable: how? |
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| 13:16.52 | Nyle | Shifty: open konsole and type iceweasel |
| 13:16.52 | stew | Shifty: check ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 13:17.33 | liable | Nyle: if a package is removed, but config files remain, the -P flag will remove those files |
| 13:17.37 | Shifty | it opens and close |
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| 13:18.02 | Nyle | liable: that is puging |
| 13:18.20 | Nyle | liable: I thought the guy said remove, which I found amusing...nevermind I misread. |
| 13:18.26 | Nyle | he did say purging |
| 13:22.04 | Nyle | I am using mplayer in 32bit chroot and as a user I can launch mplayer, but not gmplayer. as root I am able to. why would gmplayer not work under user. which/where are the permissions I need too look at to give user access to X or whatever. |
| 13:22.05 | Shifty | hmm if i type iceweasel -safe-mode i get a error |
| 13:22.29 | Nyle | that is, if it is a permissions issue |
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| 13:23.19 | Nyle | I'm not exactly sure where to begin troubleshooting this |
| 13:23.57 | OuiD | Nyle: for this kind of pb I use strace and look for -EPERM |
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| 13:24.51 | riddley | is it me or does "unstable" ignore /etc/nsswitch.conf wrt hosts and files ? |
| 13:25.20 | abrotman | might depend on the lookup tool |
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| 13:25.26 | riddley | aah good point |
| 13:25.39 | Shifty | cant i use iceweasel with a depth of 8?!? |
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| 13:25.58 | stew | riddley: "getent hosts somehostname" should use nsswitch |
| 13:26.06 | abrotman | can you use the internet with a depth of 8 ? |
| 13:26.09 | riddley | thanks guys |
| 13:26.17 | Shifty | konq works |
| 13:26.30 | stew | Shifty: what do you mean by depth? |
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| 13:26.41 | Shifty | i started vncserver with depth of 8 |
| 13:26.52 | abrotman | i assume he means driver bit depth |
| 13:26.59 | Shifty | right ^^ |
| 13:27.15 | Shifty | iam not good in english ... .:/ |
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| 13:29.50 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 13:29.51 | dpkg | i guess qotd120 is <azeroth> i am looking for a tool to see all computers in my lan <azeroth> like winows <azeroth> do i need the ip for it? <tarzeau> azeroth: no you need a clue <azeroth> whats a clue? |
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| 13:32.02 | microtux | abrotman, EmleyMoor thanks for fixing my sound problems |
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| 13:36.05 | blk-majik | so i have a debian box running a raid5 array of scsi2 drives. every few days, it sets the root FS to readonly and i cant fix it without rebooting. i think its how the os handles an error with the drive. i can still read anything, but nothihng really 'works' |
| 13:36.15 | blk-majik | any idea how to diagnose it? no logs are written for obvious reasons |
| 13:36.28 | xand | fsck |
| 13:36.45 | blk-majik | i ran it with standard options. no errors |
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| 13:39.13 | yos87 | Hi |
| 13:39.58 | yos87 | i'm trying to install the vmware , when Installing I get the message what is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? |
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| 13:40.12 | yos87 | where is the location of that directory |
| 13:40.29 | sep | yos87, install your kernel headers |
| 13:40.43 | yos87 | sep: how? |
| 13:40.53 | Shifty | what is a good ftpserver for debian? |
| 13:41.10 | blk-majik | the location should be /lib/modules/<running kernel version> |
| 13:41.21 | cur4tor | Shifty vsftpd |
| 13:41.26 | Shifty | thx |
| 13:41.29 | blk-majik | to get your running kernel ver, do uname -a. its the 3rd paramater in the output 'Linux <hostname> <running kern> |
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| 13:41.51 | blk-majik | oh wait, c headers. i lied |
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| 13:42.02 | blk-majik | try /usr/src |
| 13:42.11 | Codenut | Good day |
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| 13:42.35 | blk-majik | try apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 13:43.18 | abrotman | yos87: ask #vmware |
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| 13:43.38 | yos87 | nlk-majik: i made apt-get install linux-kernel-headers it say it's installed |
| 13:44.12 | blk-majik | do a uname -a, then apt-cache search linux-headers. it might become a bit more obvious |
| 13:44.45 | Codenut | when I try to use aptitude it says "could not lock the cache file" |
| 13:44.59 | Codenut | "openning in readonly mode |
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| 13:45.23 | abrotman | Codenut: how'd you do that ? |
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| 13:46.17 | Codenut | I just tried to open aptitude. |
| 13:47.06 | abrotman | Codenut: have you been deleting files ? |
| 13:47.07 | Codenut | sorry gang, I have to run, ta |
| 13:47.13 | abrotman | erm .. nm .. i misread |
| 13:47.17 | abrotman | something else is using it maybe |
| 13:47.40 | Codenut | exept for the lock files at times because they were empty. |
| 13:47.41 | masa | yos87 i think you need linux-headers-"your version" and not linux-kernel-headers |
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| 13:48.15 | yos87 | blk-majik: I'm doing apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-5-all-i386 it's installing from the internet |
| 13:48.21 | yos87 | masa: yea, I'm installing |
| 13:49.47 | hark | why install them all? |
| 13:50.12 | hark | yos87: what does uname -r say? |
| 13:50.13 | wreis | i'm trying to use dual head setup on intel 915 gm but i'm getting an error msg that it inst matching device section for PCI:0:2:1 |
| 13:50.17 | wreis | can someone help me? |
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| 13:50.57 | Codenut | Need to deal with other stuff. |
| 13:51.00 | Codenut | cheers all |
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| 13:52.17 | yos87 | hark : it said Linux Debian 2.6.18.5-686 #1 SMP sun aug 12 21:57:02 ut 2007 i 686 Gnu/linux |
| 13:53.14 | hark | yos87: ^c and aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-686 |
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| 13:54.25 | hark | which gets you linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686, the headers for your kernel |
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| 13:54.48 | ledestin | is it a good idea to have a single partition for both /tmp and /var/tmp? |
| 13:55.40 | karmatronic | ledestin: as long as you put reasonable sizes , it s ok ( c est bon) |
| 13:55.54 | taime1 | when i change startup items in the Preferences>Sessions tool, it doesnt write my changes to the file in /home/user/.gnome2 instead, i have to delete that file so it will regenerate. what is causing this? |
| 13:55.58 | jas4711 | i'm thinking of applying as 'debian maintainer' (not debian developer) to be able to upload some packages that i maintain (uploaded by a sponsor now). could someone point me in the right direction? i can't find anything on the web site yet... |
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| 13:56.43 | wols_ | !nm |
| 13:56.43 | dpkg | it has been said that nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 13:57.07 | ledestin | karmatronic: thanks. |
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| 13:57.38 | Sherpya | there is LaMont Jones around? |
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| 13:58.43 | abrotman | Sherpya: /whois ? |
| 13:58.52 | Sherpya | I don't known the nick |
| 13:59.01 | abrotman | then how would we know? |
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| 13:59.20 | abrotman | he's not in db.debian.org either |
| 13:59.30 | abrotman | oh .. i should search correctly :) |
| 13:59.34 | Sherpya | it's a debian maintainer he may be here |
| 13:59.35 | databuddy | perhaps this will brighten your morning: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-09/13/content_6718045.htm <<---- reason #666 for debian <3 |
| 13:59.36 | \amethyst | Sherpya: https://launchpad.net/~lamont |
| 13:59.48 | abrotman | Sherpya: why? .. can't you just ask us ? |
| 13:59.57 | Sherpya | ? |
| 14:00.07 | \amethyst | Sherpya: you might try #ubuntu-devel |
| 14:00.08 | sep | yos87, also you might be interested in the vmware-package package, a script that can package a piece of vmware software into a deb for easier installation and upgrade |
| 14:00.28 | abrotman | yeah .. let's chase them around IRC and harass them :) |
| 14:00.31 | sep | iit's in sid and perhaps in testing too. dont know about backports, but should be backportable |
| 14:00.33 | \amethyst | heh |
| 14:00.37 | Sherpya | ok anyway the nick should be lamont |
| 14:00.56 | jas4711 | nm.debian.org seems to be for debian developers, not maintainers as discussed in the latest gr http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003 maybe i'm just missing something.. |
| 14:01.03 | Sherpya | yes he's in #ubuntu |
| 14:01.06 | abrotman | jas4711: did that pass ? |
| 14:01.17 | abrotman | Sherpya: we can't help you ? |
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| 14:01.40 | abrotman | jas4711: try #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net .. not sure if that maintainer thing passed |
| 14:01.52 | jas4711 | abrotman: the page says 'The winners * Option 1 Endorse the concept of Debian Maintainers'. |
| 14:01.59 | jas4711 | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:01.59 | Sherpya | abrotman: dunno, I've found a fix for postfix sarge package |
| 14:02.02 | ^Cobra^ | hmm, why does installing xfce want to remove libfam0? |
| 14:02.14 | ^Cobra^ | it seems like if i install xfce it kills kde |
| 14:02.16 | Sherpya | Bug#311804 |
| 14:02.23 | abrotman | Sherpya: append the bug .. |
| 14:02.31 | Sherpya | done |
| 14:02.37 | abrotman | Sherpya: no need to tell him on IRC .. it's better if everyone knows it is there |
| 14:02.39 | Sherpya | but it may be a security issue |
| 14:02.54 | abrotman | jas4711: yeah .. but i'm not sure it's been implemented yet |
| 14:02.55 | Sherpya | crash in lmtp process |
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| 14:03.33 | abrotman | Sherpya: if you think it is .. you could ask debian-security@lists.debian.org ? |
| 14:04.25 | Sherpya | abrotman: it's rather old Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:48:05 UTC |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | !dbugs 311804 |
| 14:04.51 | dpkg | #311804:N[postfix] using debug_peer_list screws up delivery via lmtp to cyrus; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:48:05 UTC |
| 14:05.14 | Sherpya | hmm maybe there is no hurry |
| 14:05.26 | Risktaker | just a query, wich software changes the numbers into the username in "ps" ? |
| 14:05.49 | abrotman | Sherpya: no .. but could you make cyrus stop eating attachments? :) |
| 14:05.59 | Risktaker | or made's ps himself? |
| 14:06.29 | Sherpya | abrotman: eating? never heard about it |
| 14:06.43 | \amethyst | Risktaker: is your problem that a certain username is always showing up numeric? |
| 14:06.44 | abrotman | Sherpya: i think it might be cyrus .. not sure |
| 14:07.17 | Risktaker | \amethyst: you get my proplem |
| 14:07.22 | Sherpya | I use cyrus since 2000 |
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| 14:07.48 | taime1 | when i change startup items in the Preferences>Sessions tool, it doesnt write my changes to the file in /home/user/.gnome2 instead, i have to delete that file so it will regenerate. anyone know what is causing this? |
| 14:07.56 | Risktaker | \amethyst: nsswitch & passwd is right |
| 14:07.59 | \amethyst | Risktaker: is this username particularly long? |
| 14:08.18 | Risktaker | 'teamspace' <-- is this to long? |
| 14:08.37 | Risktaker | without ' ' :D |
| 14:08.37 | \amethyst | Risktaker: yes, the field is eight characters wide |
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| 14:08.56 | \amethyst | Risktaker: ps will use the numeric ID if the user name is wider that the output field |
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| 14:10.10 | Risktaker | \amethyst: ohh, thx :) |
| 14:10.27 | ehird` | Is there a way to install dovecot without installing MySQL? |
| 14:10.33 | ehird` | it does not require mysql, but it is a dependency |
| 14:10.41 | ehird` | Without compiling it, that is |
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| 14:10.52 | abrotman | ehird`: isn't it just installing libmysql ? |
| 14:10.55 | \amethyst | Risktaker: if you give ps an explicit field list, you can use something like user:10 to make it wider |
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| 14:11.17 | ehird` | abrotman: yes, and mysql-common: two things i don't want |
| 14:11.35 | ManuP | is there a program which allows me to cut pdfs and merge them on a page? without loosing quality of course... |
| 14:11.35 | \amethyst | Risktaker: for example ps -o user:10,pid,stat,tty,time,pcpu,rss,sz,pmem,command |
| 14:11.52 | kspath | I have a suggestion for the future of debian and it's kind... |
| 14:11.56 | abrotman | ehird`: not a big deal really |
| 14:11.58 | \amethyst | ManuP: do you need to arrange them manually, or just in a grid? |
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| 14:12.08 | abrotman | ehird`: it's not actually mysql |
| 14:12.10 | ehird` | abrotman: I like to keep my server clean. :/ |
| 14:12.21 | abrotman | it's still not actually mysql |
| 14:12.29 | ManuP | \amethyst, debends on how i can configure the grid |
| 14:12.55 | kspath | abrotman: maybe there should be a manpage under the package name casu package and netdiag package are examples |
| 14:13.04 | Risktaker | \amethyst: ohh thx, but my problem is that cron dosnt start some jobs and atm i search the prob and this was a point witch confused me |
| 14:13.07 | \amethyst | ManuP: see of pdfnup (from package pdfjam) does what you want? |
| 14:13.10 | abrotman | kspath: eh ? |
| 14:13.16 | \amethyst | ManuP: s/of/if/ |
| 14:13.20 | ManuP | \amethyst, but the manuall arrangement would allow me to arrange in grid as well... |
| 14:13.29 | ManuP | \amethyst, okay, i will have a look |
| 14:13.32 | kspath | abrotman: you install package xyz and after type man xyz and nothing |
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| 14:13.53 | ehird` | abrotman: even so |
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| 14:13.56 | abrotman | kspath: they're supposed to have man pages for binaries |
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| 14:14.18 | kspath | abrotman: most debian and offspring distros users are not knowledgable about apt-cache search or apt-file search or even to install apt-file |
| 14:14.31 | kspath | abrotman: install netdiag and install casu |
| 14:14.45 | kspath | abrotman: there is no binary netdiag or binary casu |
| 14:14.54 | abrotman | kspath: you could suggest such a thing to debian-devel mailing list |
| 14:15.00 | abrotman | or ocme up with a way to implement it |
| 14:15.10 | kspath | abrotman: I think I had better |
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| 14:15.15 | kspath | abrotman: thank you sir |
| 14:15.25 | abrotman | ok |
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| 14:16.26 | kspath | abrotman: Do I have to join the debian-develop mailing list to send it a message? |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | kspath: don't think so |
| 14:16.45 | abrotman | and it's just debian-devel |
| 14:16.54 | kspath | abrotman: dzenki |
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| 14:17.11 | abrotman | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/ |
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| 14:18.42 | ehird` | :/ |
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| 14:19.27 | abrotman | ehird`: it's really not going to hurt anything |
| 14:19.45 | ehird` | i like keeping my server clean. debian doesn't have a history of depending on packages that aren't needed. |
| 14:20.11 | abrotman | use aptitude ? |
| 14:20.11 | ManuP | \amethyst, perfect, it did exactly what i wanted .. at least, what i told it :) |
| 14:20.21 | cast | ehird`: use aptitude :) |
| 14:20.23 | abrotman | aptitude will remove packages when they aren't required anymore |
| 14:20.25 | ManuP | \amethyst, which program allows to arrange the pdfs manually? |
| 14:20.26 | ehird` | i do use aptitude |
| 14:20.29 | abrotman | and now even apt-get has that ability |
| 14:20.29 | ehird` | that isn't the point |
| 14:20.41 | ehird` | dovecot-common depends on libmysql, libmysql IS NOT REQUIRED by dovecot /at all/ |
| 14:20.44 | abrotman | ehird`: then all you can do is recompile and/or file a bug against the package |
| 14:20.56 | chops | ehird`: It's happened before, it'll happen again. File a bug. |
| 14:21.06 | ehird` | i was wondering if i could tell aptitude "pretend libmysql is installed" |
| 14:21.40 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 14:21.40 | dpkg | i heard equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 14:22.20 | chops | ehird`: ... thus fixing the problem for you (until you happen to install something that _actually_ needs libmysql) but preserving it for every other Debian user on the planet. I would recommend filing a bug and getting it fixed in the package instead. |
| 14:22.39 | ehird` | i will |
| 14:22.46 | ehird` | but, uh, i'd like to get dovecot running /today/ |
| 14:22.54 | chops | ehird`: Fair enough. |
| 14:23.33 | abrotman | i just told you how |
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| 14:24.09 | ehird` | yes |
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| 14:24.45 | lymeca | I just upgraded X.Org to 7.3 in sid and apparently the Nvidia drivers I'm trying to use are made for an ABI less than version 2.0 but X.Org 7.3 uses an ABI of version 2.0 |
| 14:24.59 | lymeca | So now gdm won't start because my video card drivers won't function |
| 14:25.22 | lymeca | Is there a way around this besides waiting for Nvidia to release newer drivers? |
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| 14:28.06 | temjin | hay guise |
| 14:28.11 | temjin | did we get TWM in stable yet? |
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| 14:28.32 | PHPadam | is "lenny" a debian release? |
| 14:28.40 | Ronin | PHPadam: yes lenny-testing |
| 14:28.50 | Ronin | oddly enough thats on the debian website too |
| 14:29.14 | PHPadam | so etch is the latest that is stable? |
| 14:29.54 | chops | temjin: twm has been in stable for years |
| 14:29.59 | temjin | no wai |
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| 14:30.38 | PHPadam | i wonder when sid will be stable? |
| 14:30.58 | \amethyst | PHPadam: never, by definition |
| 14:31.00 | karmatronic | PHPadam: maybe never .... |
| 14:31.08 | PHPadam | 40r1 is etch ? |
| 14:31.14 | \amethyst | or when Debian is dead |
| 14:31.42 | chops | PHPadam: Oddly enough, your questions are answered from the very first two links on the FAQ mentioned in the topic :-) |
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| 14:32.56 | Shifty | whats the default pw of vsftpd? |
| 14:32.57 | PHPadam | i dont get it |
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| 14:33.03 | PHPadam | i read those at the topic |
| 14:33.08 | Ronin | Shifty: there isnt one |
| 14:33.09 | elenril | !sid |
| 14:33.09 | dpkg | the <unstable> or <thermite> version of Debian. Commonly backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. see <sid faq> |
| 14:33.14 | Shifty | ok |
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| 14:33.37 | Shifty | how do i access to vsftpd ? |
| 14:33.48 | PHPadam | so what would be the name of the next release? |
| 14:33.57 | Ronin | PHPadam: www.debian.org |
| 14:34.15 | temjin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.28 | karmatronic | PHPadam: next release will be lenny ,which is actual testing |
| 14:34.46 | karmatronic | PHPadam: sid will always be the unstable |
| 14:35.18 | the-me | does anyone know, how I can add allowed client ip ranges to the samba config file? |
| 14:35.23 | karmatronic | PHPadam: so the good question is "what will be the next testing"? |
| 14:35.31 | the-me | only allowed ip ranges should have access to the samba server |
| 14:35.52 | PHPadam | when will sid be stable? |
| 14:35.56 | Ronin | PHPadam: never |
| 14:36.02 | Ronin | sid will always be unstable |
| 14:36.04 | PHPadam | sorry i ment lenny |
| 14:36.09 | karmatronic | the-me: hosts allow = 192.168.2.0/24 192.168.6.0/24 127.0.0.0/8 |
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| 14:37.13 | Shifty | how do i access to vsftpd ? |
| 14:37.17 | taime1 | gnome-sessions-properties will NOT save my changes... what could cause this? |
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| 14:37.34 | Ronin | PHPadam: best guess? when its done, i think they were shooting for a yearly release schedule but im not positive |
| 14:37.41 | Ronin | Shifty: same way you do any other ftp server |
| 14:37.46 | chops | Shifty: Edit the configuration file |
| 14:37.55 | temjin | shit guys |
| 14:38.04 | temjin | someone told me to sudo rm -rf / and now all my files are going :( |
| 14:38.07 | temjin | help |
| 14:38.23 | PHPadam | temjin, ok dont be a troll |
| 14:38.23 | karmatronic | temjin: you re screwed :( |
| 14:38.37 | chops | temjin: There's nothing we can do, sorry :-( |
| 14:38.43 | temjin | I like ho |
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| 14:38.58 | temjin | I like how rm -rf / not only fucks your hard drive |
| 14:39.03 | temjin | but also any external writable media |
| 14:39.05 | temjin | that is hardcore |
| 14:39.14 | PHPadam | its great |
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| 14:39.38 | wols_ | temjin: do you have a real, debian related question? |
| 14:39.45 | temjin | yes |
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| 14:40.24 | temjin | why does it take so fucking long to get new shit into stable |
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| 14:40.55 | PHPadam | because its unstable? |
| 14:41.03 | Ronin | !sunday |
| 14:41.04 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 14:41.19 | karmatronic | !tuesday |
| 14:41.19 | dpkg | it has been said that tuesday is soylent green day |
| 14:41.21 | microtux | hi |
| 14:41.29 | petemc | temjin: stable doesnt get any new fucking shit at all |
| 14:41.34 | temjin | lol |
| 14:41.35 | PHPadam | its sunday here |
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| 14:41.43 | wols_ | !permasunday |
| 14:41.44 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 14:41.48 | microtux | i want to add some features to linux kernel i'm running, |
| 14:41.51 | temjin | stable = OHHH SHIT IT'S 1998 |
| 14:42.04 | Ronin | temjin: please go troll elsewhere |
| 14:42.06 | DimmuR | Hi all. I've problems with latest xorg and nvidia and i found solution - this says that i have to add ignoreABI to command that launch xserver. I'm using gnome and i can't find where should i add this anyone can point me where to look? |
| 14:42.19 | karmatronic | microtux: features like what ? |
| 14:42.24 | wols_ | temjin: please stop trolling. you need to learn a bit more at troll school before you can troll on your own in the wild |
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| 14:42.30 | temjin | oh, there's only one op |
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| 14:42.36 | temjin | no wonder it's so hard to get b& |
| 14:42.45 | temjin | I thought after the twm thing it would have been over |
| 14:42.52 | PHPadam | b& is blowjob? |
| 14:42.54 | temjin | in that case, nevermind :( |
| 14:43.04 | temjin | no point in trolling if you're not gonna get banned |
| 14:43.12 | temjin | so what's up with the next release? |
| 14:43.12 | taime1 | gnome-sessions-properties will NOT save my changes... what could cause this?/join #linuxpeople |
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| 14:43.18 | Penix | you really are a bad troll |
| 14:43.20 | microtux | karmatronic, support for arabic language |
| 14:43.34 | karmatronic | temjin: your trolling is boring |
| 14:43.36 | temjin | penix: why :( |
| 14:43.41 | wols_ | microtux: you need to change the kernel for that? |
| 14:43.47 | temjin | yeah, boring because there aren't any ops around <:| |
| 14:43.58 | chops | www.donotfeedtheenergybeast.com |
| 14:43.59 | temjin | I think #gentoo as my favorite |
| 14:43.59 | microtux | wols_, any suggestion ? |
| 14:44.08 | Penix | temjin: then go there |
| 14:44.13 | karmatronic | temjin: no , because trolling should be an art |
| 14:44.17 | microtux | i thought that i should enable arabic suport in the kernel |
| 14:44.20 | temjin | penix: can't |
| 14:44.23 | temjin | because: |
| 14:44.28 | temjin | temjin: PORTAGE JUST KICKED IN YO |
| 14:44.29 | temjin | temjin: 700 HOURS LEFT TO RECOMPILE |
| 14:44.32 | karmatronic | temjin: it s not about using shit in every sentence |
| 14:44.32 | kspath | abrotman: email en route |
| 14:44.34 | temjin | you have been banned |
| 14:44.35 | temjin | lol |
| 14:44.46 | temjin | karmatronic: that's just how I talk :( |
| 14:44.49 | temjin | not troll related |
| 14:44.56 | karmatronic | :) |
| 14:45.01 | wols_ | microtux: apt-cache search arabich for example |
| 14:45.03 | temjin | #reactos was pretty good too |
| 14:45.07 | chops | microtux: You shouldn't need to do that to get arabic support. dpkg-reconfigure locales and install some fonts would be how I would start. |
| 14:45.14 | kspath | temjin: Do you live under a bridge and collect tolls? |
| 14:45.14 | temjin | temjin: how's that windows compatibility coming? |
| 14:45.19 | temjin | some_guy: pretty good |
| 14:45.19 | Penix | can't believe how long my ignore list is. must've been untouched for years... |
| 14:45.29 | temjin | temjin: I think the real question is |
| 14:45.37 | temjin | temjin: who would want to recreate such a failure of an OS |
| 14:45.38 | temjin | banned |
| 14:45.40 | temjin | lolz |
| 14:45.45 | kspath | temjin: Do you live under a bridge and collect tolls? |
| 14:45.51 | karmatronic | temjin: talking to yourself? |
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| 14:45.53 | temjin | #ubuntu was pretty boring though, just banned for telling someone to rm -rf / |
| 14:45.55 | Shifty | hey ... if i want to connect to my ftp i get 530 non-anonymous sessoin must use encryption... how can i do that? |
| 14:46.11 | kspath | karmatronic: maybe a bot? |
| 14:46.19 | temjin | I am a dvd player |
| 14:46.19 | Penix | kspath: no. too stupid |
| 14:46.21 | temjin | bleep bloop |
| 14:46.27 | temjin | anyway |
| 14:46.29 | temjin | back on topic |
| 14:46.33 | temjin | what's up with the next release? |
| 14:46.37 | temjin | eta/features? |
| 14:46.44 | kspath | temjin: debian.org site |
| 14:46.45 | Penix | temjin: google? |
| 14:46.45 | vaithi | how to remove install packeges |
| 14:46.54 | Penix | vaithi: apt-get remove |
| 14:46.55 | temjin | just trying to make conversation :( |
| 14:47.02 | Penix | temjin: #debian-offtopic |
| 14:47.12 | wols_ | temjin: you are OT, and you know it. go elsewhere when you are boted please |
| 14:47.16 | karmatronic | temjin: a fantastic apt-get remove loosers |
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| 14:47.21 | kspath | temjin: this is generally a support channel, random conversations tend to go elsewhere |
| 14:47.26 | vaithi | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.28 | temjin | gotcha |
| 14:47.31 | temjin | peace out homies |
| 14:47.32 | temjin | keep it real |
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| 14:47.38 | Penix | hehe |
| 14:48.04 | wols_ | !blame AOL |
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| 14:48.18 | Shifty | could some 1 help me? |
| 14:48.36 | Shifty | get error if i want to connect to my ftp |
| 14:48.38 | Shifty | 530 non-anonymous sessoin must use encryption |
| 14:48.44 | wols_ | Shifty: you already got an answer 16:37 < chops> Shifty: Edit the configuration file |
| 14:48.47 | kspath | I am going to guess 50 or 5 years old and so white/anglo that he/she/it has never even seen anyone of color their entire life |
| 14:49.09 | Penix | they don't let you on the road without tests and licensing... |
| 14:49.18 | Shifty | really? ... mom |
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| 14:49.56 | Shifty | oh ... but i want to use that config... |
| 14:50.04 | Ronin | and thanks a lot for sending them to #debian-offtopic, grrr |
| 14:50.11 | karmatronic | Shifty: using vsftpd? |
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| 14:50.26 | Penix | !lose Ronin |
| 14:50.26 | dpkg | Ronin: You Lose. |
| 14:50.31 | Shifty | yes |
| 14:51.03 | wols_ | Shifty: then use a client that can encrypt ftp sessions |
| 14:51.06 | Ronin | Shifty: man vsftp, edit the conf file, read the docs on the vsftpd site? heck even vsftpdrocks.org? although i dont know if that still exists |
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| 14:51.15 | Ronin | Shifty: the message is tell you what to do |
| 14:51.23 | Shifty | ok thx wols_ i try :D |
| 14:51.30 | wols_ | Ronin: who is ops on #debian-offtopic? |
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| 14:51.47 | davis | i forget how to make a direcotry automatcially use group permissions when files are added. |
| 14:51.49 | Ronin | wols_: i think abrotman is |
| 14:51.54 | davis | is it +S? |
| 14:52.06 | gileswwwrk | hiya ppl |
| 14:52.15 | gileswwwrk | I'm trying to use wildcards in my sudoers file |
| 14:52.21 | wols_ | Ronin: lets hope |
| 14:52.24 | gileswwwrk | Defaults env_keep="*_INSTANCE" |
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| 14:52.36 | gileswwwrk | it's not playing ball and I'm wondering why |
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| 14:52.52 | gileswwwrk | 1.6.8p7-1.4 |
| 14:52.52 | abrotman | wols_: i do |
| 14:52.54 | gileswwwrk | sarge |
| 14:53.08 | Shifty | whats a good ftp client for debian? |
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| 14:53.20 | kspath | Shifty: sftp |
| 14:53.26 | Shifty | k ty |
| 14:53.35 | wols_ | L0cKn: since when is sftp a good FTP client? |
| 14:53.40 | wols_ | Shifty: gui or console? |
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| 14:54.02 | Shifty | gui if possible |
| 14:54.09 | Shifty | (only for local testing |
| 14:54.10 | karmatronic | Shifty: i like gftp |
| 14:54.11 | Shifty | ( |
| 14:54.25 | kspath | Shifty: apt-cache search sftp |
| 14:54.34 | L0cKn | good FTP Client = FileZilla *__________* |
| 14:54.40 | Shifty | ^^ |
| 14:54.42 | L0cKn | but it is on gui |
| 14:54.50 | karmatronic | kspath: sftp is ssh transfert, it s not secure ftp |
| 14:54.52 | Shifty | yeah but iceweasel dont work :D |
| 14:54.56 | wols_ | Shifty: filezilla will work, yes |
| 14:55.11 | Shifty | i know but cant run with vnc :( |
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| 14:55.16 | wols_ | iceweasel can't to encrpyted ftp. only https |
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| 14:56.26 | kspath | Shifty: you will notice openssh-client and putty-tools packages listed in output |
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| 14:56.59 | Shifty | yeah |
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| 14:58.16 | the-me | thanks karmatronic |
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| 14:58.48 | lrp | hello there , |
| 14:58.59 | Shifty | how can i set the port if i connect with sftp? |
| 14:59.13 | lrp | i need to know what program/component i have to install to hibernate my computer ? |
| 14:59.17 | karmatronic | Shifty: i insist but vsftp is not sftp..... |
| 14:59.27 | wols_ | Shifty: sftp is NOT an ftp client. kspath path very mistaken |
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| 14:59.38 | Shifty | ok... |
| 14:59.42 | lrp | how can i hibernate my computer any ideas ? |
| 14:59.50 | Shifty | so wich cleint shuould i use? |
| 14:59.54 | wols_ | L0cKn: start with laptop-tools in tasksel |
| 14:59.54 | kspath | I did not say that sftp was an ftp client. It is a substitute. |
| 14:59.57 | karmatronic | lrp: put it in the fridge |
| 14:59.57 | ErkiDerLoony | lrp: powersave -U |
| 14:59.58 | lrp | what do i have to install ? |
| 15:00.05 | lrp | fridge? |
| 15:00.05 | L0cKn | wols_: hm? |
| 15:00.05 | Shifty | lol |
| 15:00.29 | karmatronic | kspath: yeah but Shifty s pojtn is to get a ftp client ocmpatible whith his vsftpd server .... |
| 15:00.32 | kspath | Shifty: you will want to learn about ssh scp and sftp at some point |
| 15:00.38 | karmatronic | kspath: not his ssh server .... |
| 15:00.39 | lrp | but from X desktop what i have to do ? |
| 15:00.53 | karmatronic | kspath: sftp=scp |
| 15:00.54 | lrp | there mus be some tool to do that rigth ? |
| 15:00.54 | kspath | karmatronic: sometimes the right question is not asked |
| 15:00.59 | wols_ | !tell lrp about grounding |
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| 15:01.06 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! I switched the encoding of my hd from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8. Now Emacs can no longer open files with umlauts in their names. |
| 15:01.18 | wols_ | kspath: and sometimes idiots answer perfectly fine questions wrongly |
| 15:01.21 | kspath | karmatronic: I was not preventing anyone else from answering. |
| 15:01.23 | wols_ | and don't want to admit it |
| 15:01.43 | Shifty | i only want to connect to my vsftpd server over a ftp client |
| 15:02.04 | kspath | wols: I was not preventing anyone else from answering. I was simply pointing out sftp. Think what you want. |
| 15:02.17 | ErkiDerLoony | lrp: On kde you can use kpowersave e.g. |
| 15:02.38 | karmatronic | kspath: let s say you were not clear , cos you gave Shifty the feeling sftp would be an ftp client |
| 15:02.52 | Shifty | that could be ^^ |
| 15:03.21 | lrp | let me research |
| 15:04.03 | dhe-` | Shifty: sftp -oPort=<port> <user>@<ip> |
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| 15:04.10 | lrp | ok now im downloading the program >D |
| 15:04.27 | kspath | karmatronic: I believe that could be the case. I did not care as long as ssh scp sftp got into the possibilty mix. |
| 15:04.31 | Shifty | thx i try |
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| 15:05.38 | Shifty | dhe-` wont connect |
| 15:05.50 | dhe-` | Shifty: paste your line |
| 15:05.50 | Ronin | Shifty: log files say? |
| 15:06.01 | Shifty | nothing |
| 15:06.12 | Shifty | endless connect |
| 15:06.14 | Ronin | and you edited teh conf correctly? |
| 15:06.16 | wols_ | Ronin: /lastlog 530 |
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| 15:06.56 | karmatronic | Shifty: use ftp-ssl or gftp |
| 15:07.13 | Shifty | gftp dont wor (bit dept of display) |
| 15:07.18 | Shifty | i try ftp-ssl |
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| 15:09.17 | JosefK | out of interest, the testing builds from cdimage.debian.org are out of date, but the debian-installer images seem to still be built - are they safe to install from? |
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| 15:09.38 | karmatronic | Shifty: so? |
| 15:09.52 | Shifty | reading man |
| 15:10.27 | karmatronic | Shifty: using ftp-ssl should be enough.... |
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| 15:12.04 | Shifty | i dont konw how to connect xD |
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| 15:14.53 | karmatronic | Shifty: man ftp-ssl |
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| 15:15.08 | user_ | hi i can ping ftp.debian.org, when I do ap-get update i get 0% [Waiting for headers] and the process stops there. any ideas why?? |
| 15:15.09 | karmatronic | Shifty: ftp-ssl host port |
| 15:15.13 | Shifty | k |
| 15:15.15 | Shifty | ty |
| 15:15.41 | Shifty | 331 please specify the password |
| 15:16.07 | Shifty | what do i have to do xD |
| 15:16.43 | karmatronic | pickcoder: if you ve got a router that allows ssl traffic to port 443 |
| 15:16.44 | kspath | pickcoder: another option, at least it would not be plaintext if -z secure is used |
| 15:17.18 | karmatronic | pickcoder: pickcoder you would be able to use a ftp over ssl client (and server) but not sftp .... |
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| 15:17.47 | karmatronic | pickcoder: it the same as using openvpn instead of just openssh ... |
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| 15:18.05 | karmatronic | pickcoder: what i m actually doing at the moment ,btw |
| 15:18.07 | kspath | karmatronic: you can not tunnel? |
| 15:18.34 | karmatronic | kspath: some routers will simply not let ssh traffic pass , whatever you try to tunnel |
| 15:18.56 | karmatronic | kspath: it wont pass because of the type of data , not the destination port |
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| 15:19.10 | [GABRI] | hi people i have problem with apt i have this error |
| 15:19.16 | Shifty | jippi |
| 15:19.23 | karmatronic | Shifty: cool |
| 15:19.26 | kspath | karmatronic: so it is a filter/firewall |
| 15:19.34 | [GABRI] | http://rafb.net/p/iLhcPL14.html |
| 15:20.15 | karmatronic | kspath: i m saying that using ssl protocols is an easy way to bypass most routers |
| 15:20.46 | pickcoder | so it's a hack |
| 15:20.54 | spq | how can i purge a package which is already removed |
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| 15:21.20 | wols_ | spq: dpkg --purge package |
| 15:21.25 | pickcoder | ssh doesn't have to be on port 22 either |
| 15:21.29 | pickcoder | but w/e |
| 15:21.41 | defrysk | spq, install it again and then purge it |
| 15:21.56 | Shifty | mkdir ftp ... permission denied |
| 15:22.02 | karmatronic | pickcoder: ssh doesn have to be on port 22 , so what ? |
| 15:22.03 | user_ | anyone know why apt is refusing to get headers from a pingable repositary?? |
| 15:22.06 | spq | wols_, thanks |
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| 15:22.18 | pickcoder | so there is no issue for the firewall |
| 15:22.23 | spq | defrysk, lol no i will use wols_ cmd |
| 15:22.25 | defrysk | or that |
| 15:22.26 | karmatronic | pickcoder: it s not only that it s a hack , maybe some people dont need to give remote access |
| 15:22.30 | defrysk | ;p |
| 15:22.30 | pickcoder | if port 22 is blocked, host it on another port |
| 15:22.42 | Shifty | why can i create a folder with my ftp client? |
| 15:22.48 | pickcoder | karmatronic: there are restricted shells |
| 15:22.50 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 15:23.14 | gpm | !tell root__ about root |
| 15:23.21 | gpm | spq: reinstall it and purge it |
| 15:23.35 | pickcoder | gpm: a lil too slow there |
| 15:24.11 | spq | gpm, no i will use wols_ cmd |
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| 15:24.19 | defrysk | I guess its time to leech from usenet |
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| 15:25.08 | pickcoder | ARGH.. I hate it when I have to implement a completely unthought process, just to make major changes on a daily basis |
| 15:25.32 | capiira | lol i just killed gnome with an simple svg file |
| 15:25.39 | Ronin | pickcoder: sounds like govt work |
| 15:26.21 | pickcoder | I get paid better than that.. |
| 15:26.28 | pickcoder | bbl.. time to chop some heads |
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| 15:26.57 | capiira | with: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/46/Yellow_Gallardo.svg just place it on your desktop then gnome starts to hang |
| 15:28.15 | Anoninon | Hi, I'm having an issue with my php module being disabled (debain). I've used a2enmod to enable it but I'm still coming across messages telling me the module is disabled. I've re-installed the packages several times but it doesn't seem to matter. |
| 15:28.42 | [GABRI] | http://rafb.net/p/iLhcPL14.html |
| 15:28.46 | [GABRI] | how i can fix this error? |
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| 15:29.01 | Anoninon | i've removed and reinstalled apache/php several times but the bogus config files aren't being replaced. |
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| 15:29.55 | capiira | pache dont replace configs |
| 15:30.12 | capiira | just create new ones if there is none |
| 15:30.26 | capiira | apache |
| 15:30.49 | wols_ | Anoninon: have you PURGED your apache packages? |
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| 15:31.23 | Anoninon | wols_: no |
| 15:31.34 | Anoninon | wols_: how do I do that? |
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| 15:32.25 | Anoninon | wols_: nm, thank you. |
| 15:32.28 | wols_ | !tell Anoninon about grounding |
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| 15:34.02 | MrStein | Hi! How to permanently turn off a service ? Desktop / Administration / Service turns it off only until next boot. |
| 15:34.14 | MrStein | (that is Service_s_) |
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| 15:34.35 | karmatronic | MrStein: which service? |
| 15:34.54 | karmatronic | !update-rc.d |
| 15:34.54 | dpkg | update-rc.d is probably used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
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| 15:36.04 | Kerr | what is the best way to get a netgear wg11b wureless usb adapter to work on stable? |
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| 15:36.15 | Shifty | why do i get persmission denied if run mkdir over ftp-ssl? |
| 15:37.16 | Kerr | , which i bound to pgup in irssi0 mobileputty didn't assign the keys propwrly. |
| 15:37.22 | Kerr | er |
| 15:37.30 | Kerr | i can't trigger the factoid as the wg11vtwo trigger has the number |
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| 15:37.51 | MrStein | karmatronic: gdm |
| 15:38.23 | Anoninon | so purge is suppose to whipe EVERYTHING out from the package? |
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| 15:38.28 | MrStein | thanks I'll try update-rc.d |
| 15:38.41 | capiira | purge is to del configs too |
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| 15:39.11 | Anoninon | hrm... even though apache2 isn't installed /etc/apache2/apache2.conf still lives |
| 15:39.39 | capiira | try "aptitude purge ~c" |
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| 15:39.53 | capiira | to purge unused configs |
| 15:40.01 | Anoninon | thank you |
| 15:40.05 | capiira | of not installed packages |
| 15:40.09 | Anoninon | this debian lamp is being a major PITA |
| 15:40.13 | Shifty | is there any package like trillian for debian? |
| 15:40.25 | capiira | not really |
| 15:40.30 | Anoninon | and there it is , every config file I want gone. |
| 15:40.59 | capiira | if you spend time writing a config files and then an update deletes it that would be shit |
| 15:41.20 | capiira | aka end with a unconfigured server because of an update |
| 15:41.24 | Anoninon | ja, i agree |
| 15:42.17 | capiira | but aquestion would be welcome :D |
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| 15:42.28 | capiira | overwriter or keep installed ones |
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| 15:43.12 | Anoninon | this is so bogus.. I'm follow LAMP for debian install instructions to a T and this server keeps trying to download php files instead of rendering them |
| 15:43.18 | Anoninon | it's like im not even making changes. |
| 15:43.45 | capiira | tried ~c ? |
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| 15:44.02 | Anoninon | yes, worked great, removed a bunch of uneeded config files |
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| 15:44.20 | capiira | but still not working? |
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| 15:44.50 | Anoninon | correct |
| 15:45.04 | Anoninon | LAMP is very straight forward, it's crazy I'm having this many issues |
| 15:45.11 | infinity0 | how do i execute a program so that it keepings running even when i close the terminal window? |
| 15:45.14 | capiira | then manually move the apache config dir in /etc |
| 15:45.28 | capiira | to somewhere else |
| 15:45.35 | karmatronic | infinity0: nouhp |
| 15:45.35 | drwahl | i have a .m3u playlist for my music at home so that i can stream it from work. last night, i put a password on my web server (due to a DoS attempt). xmms doesnt prompt for login, and i'm not sure if/where to put login info in my .m3u file. does anyone have a solution? |
| 15:45.39 | karmatronic | infinity0: !nohup |
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| 15:45.42 | infinity0 | !nohup |
| 15:46.14 | microtux | hi, |
| 15:46.15 | infinity0 | karmatronic: um... what? |
| 15:46.21 | JosefK | drwahl, check out the URL RFC |
| 15:46.22 | karmatronic | infinity0: nohup |
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| 15:46.33 | microtux | i want to compile the kernel i'm running, |
| 15:46.36 | drwahl | JosefK: good thinking, thanks. |
| 15:46.41 | JosefK | drwahl, http://[username[:password]]@hostname[:port]/ |
| 15:46.47 | infinity0 | karmatronic: ahhh ok thanks |
| 15:46.52 | microtux | how can i load options for my actual kernel |
| 15:46.53 | microtux | ?? |
| 15:46.56 | Dantix | hi, I'm seeing my server have several connection to different ip addresses on 6667 port, how can I know who or what is doing such connections? |
| 15:47.18 | capiira | lol |
| 15:47.21 | capiira | its irc |
| 15:47.27 | JosefK | heh |
| 15:47.41 | capiira | 6667 is default irc port |
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| 15:48.22 | JosefK | but Dantix, http://linux.die.net/man/8/netstat |
| 15:48.42 | Anoninon | lol wonderful , now /etc/init.d/apache2 wont process restart or force-reload. |
| 15:48.48 | Risktaker | Dantix: to or from your server? |
| 15:48.52 | Anoninon | i think someone has been pouring beer on their server. |
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| 15:49.16 | Anoninon | Debian-40-etch-64-LAMP:/etc/apache2# /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ----- Forcing reload of web server (apache2)... failed! |
| 15:49.17 | Agiofws | how do you unistall someinthing using apt-get ? |
| 15:49.27 | Anoninon | Agiofws: apt-get remove |
| 15:49.28 | JosefK | Dantix, netstat --program to see which process |
| 15:49.29 | Ronin | Agiofws: apt-get remove |
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| 15:49.57 | Agiofws | lapi:/home/athena# apt-get install openoffice ? |
| 15:50.12 | cur4tor | hey. every day i am compiling kernels. today i get an strange error and have no idea what it means (actually i think what the problem is, but dont know why it is NOW). See here : yaird error: Could not read output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version 2.6.18 evdev (fatal) . thanks for help ! |
| 15:50.50 | Anoninon | riddle me this : I apt-get remove apache2 yet the apache2 daemon still has multiple instances running |
| 15:51.07 | JosefK | Anoninon, because your /etc/init.d/apache2 script was screwed |
| 15:51.44 | Anoninon | I see |
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| 15:52.54 | Anoninon | well this is simply wonderful |
| 15:53.47 | Dantix | Risktaker: to server on 6667 port |
| 15:54.04 | JosefK | Dantix, is it the machine you're talking to us from by any chance? |
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| 15:54.10 | Risktaker | Dantix: netstat -tulpen |grep 6667 |
| 15:54.13 | Dantix | I haven't irc installed on that server |
| 15:54.26 | Dantix | JosefK: nop, is my mail server |
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| 15:54.47 | Agiofws | couls someone tell me what to install athena@lapi:~$ soffice -display :0 |
| 15:54.47 | Agiofws | javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! |
| 15:54.47 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:54.59 | Agiofws | javaldx ? |
| 15:55.07 | xand | install openoffice |
| 15:55.16 | Risktaker | Dantix: the netstat -"l" comando shows all running "servers" aka all software wich opens ports |
| 15:55.22 | stew | Anoninon: you most likely want to remove apache2.2-common not just apache2 |
| 15:55.26 | Anoninon | is there some special reason why installing apache2 doesn't create the associated configuration file? |
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| 15:55.37 | Anoninon | stew: I just now did apt-get remove apache* |
| 15:55.49 | stew | Anoninon: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:55.52 | Skept | Hi, how do I recompile a kernel using the same source as debian? |
| 15:55.55 | Ronin | Anoninon: did you purge the config? |
| 15:55.57 | chops | Anoninon: Installing apache2 does create the associated configuration file, look in /etc/apache2 |
| 15:56.05 | Risktaker | Dantix: "-tulpen" is just a extension to se wich pid and so on |
| 15:56.32 | Anoninon | chops: well on this server it's not. I'm in /etc/apache2 and there is no apache2.conf |
| 15:56.36 | Anoninon | stew: thanks |
| 15:56.44 | Risktaker | Dantix: this is the way to find the software, and after that, to kill it and remove it |
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| 15:57.10 | stew | Anoninon: it wont overwrite changes you make to conffiles, and removing the conffile is a change |
| 15:57.18 | Anoninon | understood |
| 15:57.23 | Dantix | Risktaker: well, I have de pid and the program is bash |
| 15:57.31 | chops | Anoninon: Is apache2 installed? Did you remove the configuration files at any point? |
| 15:57.40 | Dantix | Risktaker: but that bash is not on tty |
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| 15:57.50 | chops | Anoninon: Installing apache2 on Debian does install the configuration files, I can assure you of that :-) |
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| 15:58.31 | Risktaker | Dantix: are you shure? a bash doesnt open a network port |
| 15:58.40 | stew | chops: sometimes |
| 15:58.51 | stew | chops: in his case, it shouldn't |
| 15:58.52 | Dantix | Risktaker: in place of tty, ps ax gives me a interrogation sign |
| 15:58.56 | microtux | i added an entry to /etc/fstab to automount windows partition under Lenny |
| 15:58.57 | microtux | /dev/hdb5 /media/Amine vfat rw,exec,user,auto 0 0 |
| 15:59.06 | chops | stew: Sorry, I'm joining late -- did he remove the config files himself at some point? |
| 15:59.13 | stew | chops: yes |
| 15:59.21 | chops | stew: Oh. Never mind then. Carry on. |
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| 15:59.37 | chops | Anoninon: Listen to stew :-) |
| 15:59.47 | stew | Anoninon: note that the conffiles are owned by apache2.2-common, not apache2 |
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| 16:00.00 | Anoninon | stew: thank you |
| 16:00.20 | microtux | the mounted partition is read only, |
| 16:00.23 | microtux | any help ? |
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| 16:01.19 | Risktaker | Dantix: ls -l |
| 16:01.31 | Daveman | ... |
| 16:01.43 | stew | microtux: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 16:01.45 | Risktaker | Dantix: ls -l /proc/`pid`/exe |
| 16:01.59 | Anoninon | Ok. Back to square one. Apache2 is installed. PHP is installed. Browsing to a simple php file tries to download it. |
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| 16:02.14 | infinity0 | karmatronic: is there another way? for some reason nohup php is returning php errors, but just php is fine |
| 16:02.29 | stew | Anoninon: a2enmod php5 (or php4 if that is what you are using) |
| 16:02.32 | microtux | !vfatrw |
| 16:02.32 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 16:02.48 | infinity0 | the php error in question is "expected T_OLD_FUNCTION, T_VAR or }" which is probably caused by it thinking it's in php4 when the code is php5 :/ |
| 16:02.55 | Dantix | Risktaker: /proc/2587/exe -> /var/tmp/vi.hlds/bash |
| 16:02.56 | Anoninon | stew: php5 mod is already loaded ([Tue Sep 18 18:01:24 2007] [warn] module php5_module is already loaded, skipping) |
| 16:03.19 | Anoninon | a2enmod php5 // This module is already enabled! |
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| 16:03.34 | chops | Anoninon: Try putting the PHP file in /usr/lib/cgi-bin and making sure it's executable. If it works from there, then it's your directory/php module configuration that's at fault |
| 16:03.35 | Risktaker | Dantix: you has been hacked, and this is a backdoor for the cracker |
| 16:03.46 | Anoninon | thanks chops |
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| 16:04.44 | stew | Anoninon: and have you restarted/force-reloaded apache since enabling it? |
| 16:04.45 | Risktaker | Dantix: just my 0.02Eur, maybe this is qrong but imho |
| 16:05.04 | Anoninon | stew: yes, that's actually when i get the message telling me the php module is already loaded. |
| 16:05.07 | Dantix | Risktaker: what is grong? |
| 16:06.04 | Anoninon | chops: is that dir available from the www ? |
| 16:06.07 | stew | Anoninon: oh, how did you try to enable php5? you must have done something additional to a2enmod php5 |
| 16:06.28 | chops | Anoninon: http://your.server.com/cgi-bin/script.php maps to /usr/lib/cgi-bin/script.php under the default Debian config |
| 16:06.36 | stew | Anoninon: did you edit apache2.conf? |
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| 16:06.44 | Risktaker | the original bash is in /bin/ so this is a backdor, only calld bash, wich is placed in /var/tmp |
| 16:06.46 | Anoninon | just via a2enmod php5 |
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| 16:07.12 | simonrvn | Dantix: that's a rootkit |
| 16:07.17 | Ahmuck | is there a sponser willing to look at anki? |
| 16:07.18 | Anoninon | stew: not yet, let me peek at it - previously it was config'd properly and still spit errors at me |
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| 16:07.34 | stew | Anoninon: you shouldn't touch that file |
| 16:07.53 | simonrvn | Dantix: take that thing off the net ASAP and reinstall, and restore your unique data from backups |
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| 16:08.10 | thelostbutler | hello folks , how do i convert a newtest: Unicode text, UTF-16, big-endian into a normal text file ? |
| 16:08.12 | Anoninon | stew: oh, what file should I make the changes to ? |
| 16:08.15 | Dantix | Risktaker simonrvn thank you very much |
| 16:08.25 | stew | Anoninon: does 'grep -r "LoadModule.*php5" /etc/apache2' return more than the two results from mods-enabled, mods-available ? |
| 16:09.00 | Anoninon | stew: yes |
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| 16:09.04 | Risktaker | Dantix: youre welcome, i got helped here very often |
| 16:09.09 | Anoninon | wait wait, no |
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| 16:09.21 | stew | Anoninon: you should be making site specific configs in /etc/apache2/sites-available then enabling the site with a2ensite, or make module specific configuration in the /etc/apache2/mods-available/modulename.conf or global config in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 16:09.39 | l3mr | is it possible to redirect both stdout and stderr to the same textfile at the same time? |
| 16:09.50 | simonrvn | Dantix: DO NOT copy over binaries, only stuff like text if you don't have backups. audit what you do keep. run chkrootkit on the stuff. i would suggest having it run during cron.daily run too |
| 16:09.52 | chops | l3mr: command >& textfile |
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| 16:10.00 | l3mr | chops: thanks |
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| 16:10.39 | jduggan_ | 2>&1 > file |
| 16:10.39 | rahul | so all you cori yarkin fans can pack snitch |
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| 16:10.51 | rahul | on my birthday, heh |
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| 16:12.42 | yurirbraz | Pessoal, tenho um notebook com chipset VIA VN896, cujo video é controlado no windows pelo VIA Crhome9 HC IGP. |
| 16:12.42 | yurirbraz | Mas nao consigo instalar corretamente o driver. Alguem pode me ajudar? |
| 16:12.56 | stew | !br |
| 16:12.56 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:13.12 | troubled | rahul?! |
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| 16:13.52 | rahul | troubled%@ |
| 16:13.58 | troubled | rahul: bday?! |
| 16:14.00 | Anoninon | stew: /etc/apache2/sites-available/site-name already includes (AddHandler x-httpd-php .php .php3 .php4 .php5 .phtml) and the site is already enabled |
| 16:14.07 | rahul | troubled: I'll be in atlanta! |
| 16:14.15 | rahul | PPUSA, baybeeeeeeeeeeeeee! |
| 16:14.27 | rahul | heh |
| 16:14.34 | rahul | oh, we might be staying next to a strip club |
| 16:14.44 | Ronin | how convient rahul :) |
| 16:14.47 | troubled | hmmmmm strippers |
| 16:15.08 | rahul | no, what's convenient is that freak kitchen and vanden plas will be playing!!!! |
| 16:15.09 | rahul | !!! |
| 16:15.09 | dpkg | I'm not your fucking csh prompt. |
| 16:15.10 | yurirbraz | I have an chipset VIA VN896 with video controler VIA Crhome9 HC IGP |
| 16:15.14 | rahul | !!! |
| 16:15.27 | yurirbraz | Who help me to install it? |
| 16:15.42 | rahul | yurirbraz: what's not installed? |
| 16:15.50 | rahul | yurirbraz: what have you tried? what is the error? |
| 16:16.17 | rahul | if it's in your chipset, it should be soldered to the board.... why do you need to install it? |
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| 16:16.46 | troubled | !!! |
| 16:16.46 | dpkg | I'm not you'r csh prompt! |
| 16:16.55 | troubled | bah, i fail |
| 16:17.07 | rahul | we all do, troubled. we all do. |
| 16:17.12 | troubled | ! =~ s/'// |
| 16:17.12 | dpkg | that doesn't contain ''', troubled |
| 16:17.21 | troubled | i give up, someone else fix it :) |
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| 16:17.30 | simonrvn | !! |
| 16:17.30 | dpkg | I'm not you'r csh prompt! |
| 16:17.46 | troubled | no, ! is <reply> I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 16:17.48 | yurirbraz | With glxinfo, the result is "Direct Rendering: no" and the result of the command "dmesg | grep agpgart" is "Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones" |
| 16:17.52 | rahul | no! |
| 16:17.56 | rahul | it's random |
| 16:18.02 | troubled | no its not actually |
| 16:18.05 | troubled | !literal ! |
| 16:18.06 | dpkg | "!" is "<reply> I'm not you'r csh prompt!" |
| 16:18.06 | rahul | oh? |
| 16:18.10 | rahul | ah, right |
| 16:18.11 | rahul | !!! |
| 16:18.11 | dpkg | I'm not you'r csh prompt! |
| 16:18.18 | troubled | dondelelcaro was the last to edit it |
| 16:18.22 | rahul | !literal !! |
| 16:18.22 | dpkg | "!!" is "<reply> see !" |
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| 16:18.33 | Anoninon | ok back to square 1 again, php is installed, the php module is loaded and all that yet php files are downloading and not rendering |
| 16:18.34 | troubled | all just pointers to ! |
| 16:18.35 | rahul | oh |
| 16:18.54 | troubled | dpkg: no, ! is <reply> I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 16:18.54 | dpkg | troubled: okay |
| 16:19.16 | rahul | !!!! |
| 16:19.16 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 16:19.19 | rahul | oh ho |
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| 16:19.41 | troubled | delet from table where key like '!!%';! |
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| 16:20.13 | rahul | \m/ Ó \m/ |
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| 16:20.25 | troubled | lol |
| 16:20.49 | stew | Anoninon: you shouldn't need that there since it should already be in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf |
| 16:21.49 | Anoninon | stew: that file contains the proper php stuff also ( AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3) |
| 16:22.10 | yurirbraz | I have an chipset VIA VN896 with video controler VIA Crhome9 HC IGP |
| 16:22.11 | yurirbraz | Who help me to install it? |
| 16:22.11 | yurirbraz | With glxinfo, the result is "Direct Rendering: no" and the result of the command "dmesg | grep agpgart" is "Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones" |
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| 16:23.33 | swombat | how do i tell apt to just list me all installed packages? |
| 16:24.04 | stew | swombat: aptitude search ~i |
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| 16:24.24 | stew | swombat: aptitude search '~i' ; is probably more shell agnostic |
| 16:24.24 | swombat | cheerios |
| 16:24.27 | Jkl82 | abrotman, hi :) |
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| 16:26.48 | Anoninon | ok so still no solution - reinstalled everything at least 5 times, checked all the config files at least that many times also |
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| 16:27.29 | pumpkin0 | i have problems with my initrd-scripts. Is there a way to do a step-by-step executing ? |
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| 16:31.38 | Anoninon | stew: any other ideas ? |
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| 16:32.55 | wols_ | pumpkin0: do you run root fs RAID or use a strange harddisk drivre? |
| 16:33.14 | wols_ | Anoninon: your problem is still that a reinstall doesn't create config files? |
| 16:33.21 | stew | Anoninon: show me the output of "grep -ri php /etc/apache2" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:34.24 | pumpkin0 | wols_: strange HD thing (squashfs mounted over netblock) |
| 16:34.33 | Anoninon | stew : http://rafb.net/p/YRUITN52.html |
| 16:34.51 | szeraax | can anyone help me out? I run make and the folder contents get deleted. I read somewhere to do 'make V=1' and it gives me this... http://pastebin.com/m7e37afba any\all help is greatly appreciated |
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| 16:36.17 | pumpkin0 | wols_: i scroll-up function after the kernel-panik would alread help me a lot ... |
| 16:37.36 | pumpkin0 | OK, i'm off to line-by-line testing. |
| 16:37.39 | Anoninon | wols_: no, all the config files have been recreated . the problem is that even though everything is exactly as it should be this web server keeps trying to download php files instead of rendering them. i've installed/reinstalled PHP and apache at least a dozen times now (including nixing the config files) |
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| 16:38.38 | Anoninon | the last LAMP install I did was such a breeze. this is a 3 hr nightmare |
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| 16:42.10 | empath- | hey guys, im on a livecd now.. and wanna know if I can install debian without cd/dvd.. like mount an image and run install ? |
| 16:42.19 | empath- | its not a debian livecd |
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| 16:42.54 | nunu | hi does someone know if I can somehow save connections for jackd with qjackctl |
| 16:42.56 | nunu | ? |
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| 16:43.13 | Anoninon | stew: I assume everything looked OK ? |
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| 16:45.05 | mastaofdisasta | does anyone know how to /window close |
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| 16:45.17 | Anoninon | lol |
| 16:45.19 | cahoot | nunu, I've seen some posting describing what you want - I'll try find the url |
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| 16:45.37 | nunu | cool thx |
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| 16:47.51 | Cataphract | hey I'm trying to enable xdmcp but it's only listening on udp6 |
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| 16:47.59 | stew | Anoninon: i think you should remove: "/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/nedwig.ru:AddHandler x-httpd-php .php .php3 .php4 .php5 .phtml" and what is in your httpd.conf, that should be empty by default |
| 16:48.33 | Cataphract | udp6 0 0 *:xdmcp *:* - how do I mnake it listing on udp? |
| 16:48.36 | Cataphract | *listen |
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| 16:49.38 | cahoot | nunu, http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=14 |
| 16:49.46 | Anoninon | stew: my httpd.conf contains (AddHandler application/x-httpd-php .php //// LoadModule php5_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so) I added them because _nothing_ seems to make a bit of difference. it's like im not even logged into the proper server (but I know I am) |
| 16:49.57 | eide | "kqemu-modules-2.6.18-4-k7: Depends: linux-modules-2.6.18-4-k7 which is a virtual package." What does this mean? Can I still get 2.6.18-4 on Lenny? Qemu packages doesn't seem to exist for anything else |
| 16:50.22 | nunu | thx cahoot |
| 16:51.03 | cahoot | np |
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| 16:51.12 | Anoninon | ladies an gentlemen we have a genius in our midst |
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| 16:51.28 | Anoninon | you've solved it my friend |
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| 16:52.05 | blizz | hi |
| 16:52.24 | Anoninon | stew: I hope you get paid a lot for what you do |
| 16:52.32 | blizz | is it safe to use linux-image-vserver-686 and util-vserver from sid on an etch installation? |
| 16:52.47 | blizz | the sid packages are up to date whereas the etch packages are not |
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| 16:53.37 | simonrvn | Anoninon: we're all volunteers in this channel |
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| 16:53.57 | Anoninon | simonrvn: Yes I know, I meant in his real life job :) |
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| 16:54.01 | abrotman | except dpkg! |
| 16:54.11 | abrotman | he's a slave .. does our bidding! |
| 16:54.16 | Anoninon | Stew has been amazing today, he's been helping me for some time now and the situation is resolved. Excellent work stew. |
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| 16:55.25 | simonrvn | abrotman: he's a bot ;p |
| 16:55.30 | abrotman | oh |
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| 16:55.47 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 16:56.17 | stew | Anoninon: you're welcome |
| 16:56.54 | simonrvn | yeh, stew is helpful, and he means well |
| 16:57.07 | abrotman | and comes with a side of bread! |
| 16:57.15 | Anoninon | stew: once again - extremely grateful, there is still hope for IRC. |
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| 16:57.24 | simonrvn | hehe, don't forget the coleslaw :P |
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| 16:57.29 | Anoninon | well yall, gotta run, this 5 minute project has turned into 3 hours |
| 16:57.34 | petemc | coleslaw with stew? |
| 16:57.38 | Anoninon | I'm sure you'll be seeing me soon |
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| 16:58.58 | blizz | so.. is it safe or really stupid to install sid packages (vserver-kernel, util-vserver) on an etch host? |
| 16:59.27 | simonrvn | i wouldn't do it |
| 16:59.29 | dkr | neither |
| 16:59.32 | dkr | just unsafe, :) |
| 16:59.44 | defrysk | dont....do....it..... |
| 17:00.03 | defrysk | 'puter says no..... |
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| 17:00.39 | dkr | !backports |
| 17:00.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 17:00.57 | dkr | http://backports.org/ is th eone I wanted to point out, :) |
| 17:01.13 | dkr | but simple sid backport sounds interesting |
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| 17:01.53 | nunu | works great cahoot =) finally ^^ |
| 17:02.08 | GmLB | I'm curious - I have an openvpn bridged server setup. I want to connect with the tunnelblick client on mac os, which will route all my traffic over to the openvpn server. Is it possible to configure the client somehow to route a certain set of subnets locally stil? (ie, route all traffic to the openvpn except 192.168.x.x) Where could I look for an example of this configuration or to learn how to set it up? |
| 17:02.37 | dkr | man route :) |
| 17:03.08 | dkr | just add route for 192.168. using eth0, instead of your bridge interface |
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| 17:03.31 | GmLB | dkr: Doesn't the tunnelblick client change routing options? Is there some way I can set this up in a config file for that? |
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| 17:03.49 | dkr | sounds like a mac question... |
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| 17:03.52 | GmLB | dkr: 'cause it's not like I have to change the routing tabels to setup vpn normally... |
| 17:04.28 | dkr | right, it's probably making a default route through the bridge niterface. you just need to make a static route for your local net. actually, I'm surprised it doesn't do that already |
| 17:05.07 | GmLB | dkr: Well it's more than the subnet my machine is on, it might do it for that |
| 17:05.14 | dkr | ah, I see |
| 17:05.43 | GmLB | dkr: Alright I guess i'll just do it manually thanks for the direction heh |
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| 17:05.57 | GmLB | dkr: I was hoping perhaps the openvpn client config file might have some options to do it |
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| 17:06.43 | pumpkin0 | can i modifiy the initrd to drop me into a shell ...? |
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| 17:07.02 | dkr | yes |
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| 17:07.17 | dkr | or specify init=/bin/bash on yuor kernel command line |
| 17:07.32 | dkr | to skip running initrd at all |
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| 17:08.06 | pumpkin0 | dkr: how can i do in one line inside the init-script ? I need to debug a certain part. |
| 17:08.41 | dkr | it's probably distro specific |
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| 17:09.03 | pumpkin0 | dkr: debian etch, stock reinstall done 2 hours ago. |
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| 17:09.55 | richd | phliver: did you get your folder set up how you wanted? |
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| 17:11.58 | abrotman | pumpkin0: init=/bin/sh |
| 17:12.22 | `linux` | hello |
| 17:12.26 | richd | hi |
| 17:12.29 | `linux` | vlc in testing not exsist? |
| 17:12.50 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: is that exceuted before or after initrd::/sbin/init ? |
| 17:13.06 | abrotman | pumpkin0: that's a kernel option |
| 17:13.08 | abrotman | `linux`: nope |
| 17:13.12 | abrotman | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 17:13.12 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
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| 17:13.40 | sinizzl | hi |
| 17:13.47 | richd | hi |
| 17:13.49 | sinizzl | is it true that ubuntu is better than debian ? |
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| 17:13.59 | richd | sinizzl: depends, which do you like more? |
| 17:14.07 | pumpkin0 | sinizzl: depends on the propose... |
| 17:14.10 | sinizzl | debian of course |
| 17:14.22 | sinizzl | damn, i'm just trying to troll... apparently i failed |
| 17:14.23 | sinizzl | lol |
| 17:14.24 | sinizzl | :D |
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| 17:14.38 | sinizzl | okay, now i'm gonna troll elsewhere |
| 17:14.50 | richd | sinizzl: try #ubuntu |
| 17:14.54 | Daveman | :) |
| 17:14.58 | sinizzl | hm, yeah... |
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| 17:16.28 | `linux` | abrotman |
| 17:16.35 | `linux` | i not speak |
| 17:16.38 | `linux` | english |
| 17:16.54 | abrotman | okay .. no vlc in testing |
| 17:16.59 | abrotman | !it |
| 17:16.59 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 17:17.02 | `linux` | ok but |
| 17:17.10 | blizz | okay, backports will be fine |
| 17:17.10 | `linux` | never vlc in testing? |
| 17:17.14 | blizz | thanks guys |
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| 17:17.52 | abrotman | `linux`: it will get there eventually |
| 17:18.08 | dkr | `linux`: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc looks like it just needs to be built for mips, :) |
| 17:18.30 | faemir | hmm, do people recommend xine or mplayer? |
| 17:18.39 | abrotman | try them both |
| 17:18.49 | defrysk | totem |
| 17:18.52 | dkr | mplayer is more colorful |
| 17:18.54 | faemir | I have, and I see no real differences |
| 17:18.59 | faemir | that stand out |
| 17:19.05 | cahoot | mplayer tends to succeed where others fail |
| 17:19.08 | faemir | I am not keen on totem :\ |
| 17:19.09 | `linux` | mplayer is good |
| 17:19.10 | abrotman | defrysk: totem has more than one backend |
| 17:19.14 | dkr | yeah, not reall much difference, especially when you don't use the gui |
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| 17:19.20 | abrotman | defrysk: xine or gstreamer |
| 17:19.24 | faemir | cahoot, so it's like VLC is for windows users? ;) |
| 17:19.24 | defrysk | abrotman, using gstreamer of course |
| 17:19.50 | dkr | I just know totem didn't work in etch, so I changed all the app associations to use mplayer. :) |
| 17:19.50 | cahoot | faemir, sorry no idea |
| 17:19.57 | faemir | cahoot, good answer! :P |
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| 17:20.19 | dkr | faemir: yes, pretty similar |
| 17:20.24 | faemir | the only thing i didn't check for was whether mplayer & xine had browser plugins |
| 17:20.34 | dkr | they do |
| 17:20.44 | abrotman | mplayer does .. dunno about xine |
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| 17:21.20 | faemir | ok |
| 17:21.31 | \amethyst | faemir: xine-plugin |
| 17:21.42 | defrysk | mplayer and totem both have browser plugins |
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| 17:25.49 | faemir | I think I will stick with mplayer at the moment, purely due to xine-ui looking god awful |
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| 17:25.49 | faemir | though I'm not using ui. |
| 17:25.49 | faemir | gui * |
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| 17:25.49 | defrysk | better to use totem-xine then |
| 17:25.50 | faemir | I don't like totem or totem-xine. |
| 17:25.50 | faemir | its... bleh. |
| 17:25.50 | defrysk | hehe |
| 17:25.50 | faemir | I don't understand why there are so many players and frontends for linux video players XD |
| 17:25.50 | StylusEater_Work | choice |
| 17:25.50 | defrysk | when transcoding mplayer gets slower then molasses in january so make sure to have a functional totem-gstreamer if you want to do that |
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| 17:25.51 | troubled | faemir: the number of frontends is directly proportional to the amount of pr0n on the net I bet |
| 17:25.52 | faemir | hahaha |
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| 17:25.52 | troubled | or at least the various vid formats |
| 17:25.52 | zoombie | hi, im accessing a debian (stable) server through a kvm. when gdm is loaded, the keyboard stops working. in a normal console, the keyboad works fine. mouse works fine in both cases |
| 17:25.52 | faemir | StylusEater_Work, but there is very little difference between the majority of them |
| 17:25.52 | StylusEater_Work | faemir: someone at one point thought there was |
| 17:25.52 | zoombie | xorg.conf is stock debian config, except for resolution-related changes elsewhere in the file |
| 17:26.12 | troubled | zoombie: hmm, not an X person, but does the X conf make reference to any sort of keyboard device to use for input? |
| 17:26.14 | defrysk | zoombie, using that new startup script ? |
| 17:26.21 | defrysk | forgot the name |
| 17:26.31 | zoombie | defrysk: /etc/init.d/gdm is all its using, as far as i know |
| 17:26.46 | defrysk | I ment for the boot |
| 17:26.58 | zoombie | it's grub, with one boot entry |
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| 17:27.08 | defrysk | probably not then |
| 17:27.26 | defrysk | i had that with init-ng or something, tried that once |
| 17:27.45 | kspath | zoombie: check /etc/X11/xorg.conf keyboard section say anything? |
| 17:27.48 | defrysk | and keybord stopped in gdm then too |
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| 17:27.51 | zoombie | troubled: newlines are separated with "|": Section "InputDevice" | Identifier "Generic Keyboard" | Driver "kbd" | Option "CoreKeyboard" | Option "XkbRules" "xorg" | Option "XkbModel" "pc104" | Option "XkbLayout" "us" | EndSection |
| 17:28.06 | faca | hello, howto send qmail queue now ? kill ? |
| 17:28.12 | zoombie | that line should've ended with "EndSection", if freenode clipped something i can repaste the remainder |
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| 17:28.29 | troubled | zoombie: usb keyboard by chance? not sure what other drivers are available though, just more curious |
| 17:28.36 | zoombie | ps2 keyboard |
| 17:28.43 | zoombie | and mouse |
| 17:28.55 | zoombie | i'd think it was the kvm, but keyboard works fine in console |
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| 17:29.04 | kspath | zoombie: any sort of regional/national/linguistic issues about your keyboard? |
| 17:29.10 | troubled | zoombie: oh, your using a kvm switch? |
| 17:29.22 | zoombie | it's a standard US gateway-brand keyboard |
| 17:29.35 | zoombie | even pressing numlock doesn't change the light on the keyboard |
| 17:29.41 | kspath | zoombie: anything interesting about the kvm? |
| 17:29.56 | zoombie | it's got 6 or so ports, it handles k, v, and m |
| 17:30.03 | troubled | zoombie: i know my pc has unattended boot issues with the kvm I was using before. have you tried without it directly? |
| 17:30.05 | zoombie | ps2 for k/v, vga for m |
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| 17:30.24 | zoombie | the system boots fine, i was using it to install gdm |
| 17:30.35 | zoombie | after a reboot, gdm started up, and the keyboard didnt work while gdm was loaded |
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| 17:30.49 | zoombie | if i turned off gdm, bringing me to a console, then i was able to use the keyboard like normal |
| 17:30.50 | kspath | zoombie: Keyboard Video Mouse? |
| 17:31.10 | zoombie | (i had to disable gdm over ssh, since things like alt+f# were not working either) |
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| 17:33.03 | \amethyst | zoombie: does your KVM pretend to be a keyboard when the unconnected computer boots, or does it look like it's not there? |
| 17:33.15 | zoombie | not sure |
| 17:33.25 | zoombie | keyboard works as early as the bios menu |
| 17:33.36 | kspath | zoombie: the guess is it does not look like it is there or does not do it correctly |
| 17:33.58 | \amethyst | zoombie: did the computer boot with the KVM on another computer? |
| 17:34.00 | kspath | zoombie: that is odd |
| 17:34.02 | zoombie | if the computer is booting while the kvm is directed elsewhere, the computer still works when you switch back, so i assume the kvm is sending "im a keyboard!" signals |
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| 17:34.29 | \amethyst | zoombie: it could be sending 'keyboard disconnected' and 'keyboard reconnected' |
| 17:34.47 | \amethyst | zoombie: which would only hurt if X starts up while it's disconnected |
| 17:35.01 | \amethyst | because then it will detect no keyboard, and probably won't try looking earlier |
| 17:35.08 | zoombie | i've been switched to the computer during the whole boot |
| 17:35.12 | \amethyst | oh |
| 17:35.14 | zoombie | i'll try plugging in a keyboard directly |
| 17:35.18 | \amethyst | well, that's different |
| 17:35.21 | zoombie | and see if that changes anything |
| 17:35.27 | zoombie | (afk for a bit) |
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| 17:38.03 | kspath | I have not yet used a KVM with USB |
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| 17:38.35 | chrisj0 | hello ricka |
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| 17:41.22 | Lovecraft | Does anyone know wether Debian 'testing' has glibc 2.4 ? |
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| 17:41.59 | simonrvn | !+info libc6 lenny |
| 17:42.00 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 17:42.05 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.6.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 4302 kB, Installed size: 10452 kB |
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| 17:43.19 | Lovecraft | Thanks |
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| 17:44.03 | Nigromante | Hello World |
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| 17:46.48 | silent[ca] | hey guys, I'm looking for drivers for my wireless that I could download onto my windows drive, boot onto linux and install (preferably a .deb pkg) |
| 17:47.12 | silent[ca] | its for an hp pavilion tx 1000 laptop |
| 17:47.12 | Nigromante | which wireless |
| 17:47.14 | wols_ | what chip? |
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| 17:47.22 | Nigromante | ipw ? |
| 17:47.25 | silent[ca] | ill check what windows says it is |
| 17:48.15 | Gathond | slipry: if its ipw* then there is a package, search packages.debian.org for your specific chip |
| 17:48.18 | Gathond | hmmm |
| 17:48.25 | Gathond | that was for silent[ca] |
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| 17:48.46 | Gathond | silent[ca]: you might want to download some additional packages it lists as dependencies as well though |
| 17:49.03 | Nigromante | and wpasupplicant |
| 17:49.11 | Nigromante | to use encryption |
| 17:49.27 | Gathond | Nigromante: well I would not bother |
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| 17:49.34 | leafwiz | how long does it nomaly take to install the base package. Because my installation just stops it seems.. one time at 35 and another at 65.. |
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| 17:49.43 | qrck | where can i configure framebuffer to use the mouse buttons 4 and 5 ? i already set it for libvga.config and it is working with svgalib driver but the fb driver won't do the same ?? |
| 17:49.52 | Gathond | Nigromante: those could be fected directly through aptitude/apt-get after it works unencrypted |
| 17:50.01 | Nigromante | yes |
| 17:50.24 | Gathond | well provided he has wlan access without encryption of cause |
| 17:50.35 | Nigromante | yes... |
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| 17:50.42 | leafwiz | I'm wondering if this has something to do with the partitions.. |
| 17:51.01 | leafwiz | What do the head mean ? :P |
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| 17:52.10 | pickcoder | leafwiz: I've had that happen due to 1) bad ISO burn, 2) flakey CD-ROM, 3) putting a CD-RW in a CD-ROM that appears to be able to read it |
| 17:52.14 | wols_ | lando: base installs takes a few min |
| 17:53.43 | leafwiz | pickcoder: hmm.. with me it must be bad cabeling, because i'm doing a pxe install.. |
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| 17:54.21 | defrysk | leafwiz, alt-f4 shows what its doing at that moment in a tty, to return alt-f4 |
| 17:54.31 | defrysk | alt-f1 that is. |
| 17:54.37 | defrysk | to return |
| 17:54.44 | leafwiz | oh.. Nice to know |
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| 17:55.45 | leafwiz | But in the partition step. there are two symbols. One is a lightning.. Means the part. has the boot flag. But there is also a head |
| 17:56.31 | TrueDD | Salut à tous |
| 17:56.39 | TrueDD | hi all |
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| 17:56.55 | simonrvn | hi there |
| 17:58.02 | pickcoder | I've only used the etch gui installer once or twice, but I don't remember lightening or head icons in qparted |
| 17:58.04 | defrysk | leafwiz, not sure but has probably to do with fomatting or not formatting |
| 17:58.14 | leafwiz | Yeah, I thought so too |
| 17:58.36 | defrysk | you can select the partition and check if its being formatted or not |
| 17:58.41 | simonrvn | i've never tried the gtk installer |
| 17:58.45 | abrotman | GUI installer ? |
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| 17:59.06 | blackba55 | do i need to empty trash or the files are deleted forever ? |
| 17:59.07 | abrotman | what's this world coming too .. next thing you know .. debian will include java! |
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| 17:59.27 | simonrvn | blackba55: wha? |
| 17:59.28 | defrysk | the ubuntu-style txt installer |
| 17:59.28 | abrotman | xingu: is billie jean your lover ? |
| 17:59.50 | silent[ca]2 | sorry guys, my internet cut out there for a second, did anyone find the network adapter/drivers for the hp pavilion tx 1000? |
| 17:59.59 | xingu | abrotman: that kid is not my son. |
| 18:00.07 | simonrvn | silent[ca]2: tried google yet? |
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| 18:00.33 | silent[ca]2 | simon, I'm not sure what the adapter is, and even then, not sure where to get a standard package install |
| 18:00.34 | blackba55 | simonrvn: on my xfce desktop i can see a trash icon which looks like a full recycle bin ... does it mean i have to empty it ? if yes .. how ? |
| 18:00.43 | abrotman | silent[ca]2: can you lspci it ? |
| 18:00.46 | xingu | abrotman: it's just been a fookin top day for various personal reasons; which has come as a double mind popper because frankly it's been a crap quarter in general |
| 18:00.50 | simonrvn | yes. right click it? :) |
| 18:01.00 | defrysk | blackba55, ricghclick it , empty trash perhaps ? |
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| 18:01.01 | abrotman | xingu: did you get pizza for lunch ? |
| 18:01.05 | silent[ca]2 | I'm on windows atm cause the device isnt detected |
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| 18:01.23 | keyhack | I'm trying to set up a simple SMTP/IMAP mail server in Debian, does anyone happen to know a solid online guide that will help me through this? (Never done it before) |
| 18:01.24 | silent[ca]2 | i only have wireless access atm |
| 18:01.26 | xingu | abrotman: lunch? that's that thing that the sales guys get taken out for every so often isn't it? |
| 18:01.46 | abrotman | don't ask me |
| 18:01.50 | simonrvn | xingu: yes, it is |
| 18:01.55 | blackba55 | i want to do it from command prompt ... |
| 18:02.00 | blackba55 | defrysk: ^^^ |
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| 18:02.13 | pickcoder | !lunch |
| 18:02.13 | dpkg | That sounds like a good idea, pickcoder, could you get me a pie while you're out? |
| 18:02.16 | defrysk | rm -rf .Trash/* |
| 18:02.27 | pickcoder | mmm pie |
| 18:02.31 | defrysk | like that in your homefolder |
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| 18:02.38 | blackba55 | ok .. thanks .. |
| 18:02.47 | simonrvn | er, try ~/ with that... |
| 18:02.57 | simonrvn | ~/.Trash/* |
| 18:03.00 | defrysk | ok |
| 18:03.18 | kspath | anyone know of a good memory reporter that tells in detail what is being used and goes beyond what ps and top report? I already found memstat |
| 18:03.23 | simonrvn | just running .Trash is too risky with rm -rf |
| 18:03.34 | defrysk | simonrvn, agree |
| 18:03.46 | pickcoder | keyhack: first, pick an MTA.. exim or postfix |
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| 18:03.52 | defrysk | kspath, free |
| 18:04.03 | defrysk | oh beyond top |
| 18:04.03 | simonrvn | damn, 2.3.28, means another openldap build |
| 18:04.05 | defrysk | hehe |
| 18:04.07 | simonrvn | *38 |
| 18:04.11 | xingu | kspath: pmap ? |
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| 18:04.26 | keyhack | pickcoder: haha, no idea, does it matter? i know nothing of mail |
| 18:04.40 | dendrite | Hmm... I'm designing a mailer system from a mod_perl app, and am thinking that postfix, with its postdrop for queue injection, is a good way to go. Any thoughts? |
| 18:04.45 | simonrvn | kspath: free, /proc/* ;) |
| 18:05.30 | dkr | dendrite: my thought is that spam is bad |
| 18:05.40 | dendrite | dkr: This is definitely not spam. |
| 18:05.43 | pickcoder | dendrite: can you do lmtp? |
| 18:05.45 | kspath | free is not what I want something like memstat and slabtop seem to be nice so far i will look at pmap thank you |
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| 18:06.08 | dkr | dendrite: I didn't say it was. but you asked for my thoughts. ;) |
| 18:06.13 | dendrite | pickcoder: I'll look into it. |
| 18:06.24 | xingu | hmm, slabtop, nice. |
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| 18:06.31 | smacnay | test |
| 18:06.32 | pickcoder | vmstat -m |
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| 18:06.42 | dendrite | dkr: Well, in case you're withholding any ideas out of fear of helping a spammer, I want to assure you that I also wish all spammers dead. |
| 18:06.52 | dkr | dendrite: I just use send mail from my mod_perl apps directly via smtp to my normal mail server. then again, I don't do huge volume |
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| 18:06.57 | dkr | dendrite: ;) |
| 18:07.10 | dkr | s/use// |
| 18:07.21 | czeroX | on amsn preferences, under the tab of privacy.. what does fl and rl means? |
| 18:07.30 | kspath | pickcoder: thanks I have not used that in years completely forgot thanks muchly |
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| 18:07.34 | dendrite | dkr: Yeah, I at least need to fork if I take that approach. |
| 18:07.36 | defrysk | kspath, also try htop |
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| 18:07.56 | keyhack | pickcoder: I think postfix seems like a good choice |
| 18:08.11 | silent[ca]2 | ok, windows is detecting my wireless card as "Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN", which package should I install for driver support? |
| 18:08.12 | kspath | defrysk: yah, I know about htop thanks it is cool but looking for something a bit different |
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| 18:08.36 | dendrite | keyhack: I am drawn to postfix because it separates queue injection from the rest of the process. That means it won't block on DNS and whatnot. |
| 18:08.41 | defrysk | kspath, gnome-system-monitor |
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| 18:09.15 | xingu | vmstat -d, double nice. |
| 18:09.23 | pickcoder | keyhack: IMO, postfix + dovecot pop3 + imap is an easy setup |
| 18:09.28 | keyhack | dendrite: heh, I'm just setting up a simple one-domain server to host my personal email, thanks for the comment, is it hard to configure postfix on debian, and get SMTP/IMAP up and running? any recommendations on doing that? |
| 18:09.41 | keyhack | pickcoder: excellent, thats what I want (I dont even really want POP3) |
| 18:09.44 | pickcoder | you can also get SASL for SMTP working fairly easily |
| 18:09.47 | defrysk | football , real madrid werner bremen |
| 18:09.50 | kspath | wow pmap is GREAT for drilling down |
| 18:09.57 | defrysk | time to turn of this darn pc |
| 18:09.58 | pickcoder | keyhack: the pop3 and imap implementations are different packages |
| 18:10.07 | dendrite | keyhack: I don't really have a comment on how hard it might be. Actually, how hard it is doesn't matter to us, as long as it is stable and fast once it is set up... |
| 18:10.28 | keyhack | pickcoder: perfect, can you point me to a guide that can tell me what packages I need to install and how to get a good machine up and running? or is it kinda self-explanatory? |
| 18:10.33 | abrotman | keyhack: it's not hard at all |
| 18:10.42 | abrotman | well .. for a simple setup anyways |
| 18:10.46 | xingu | kspath: it's not bad if you're running a system crippled by its lack of dtrace ;) |
| 18:10.46 | abrotman | smtp/imap is cake |
| 18:10.51 | keyhack | K I S S :-) |
| 18:11.14 | abrotman | postfix/(courier|dovecot) with Maildir .. easy as pie! |
| 18:11.16 | kspath | xingu: hehehe |
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| 18:11.44 | defrysk | I loved that tingey |
| 18:11.44 | abrotman | defrysk: that's sad |
| 18:11.58 | leafwiz | Why do the install ask me if I want to remove the running kernel image? |
| 18:12.01 | defrysk | abrotman, very dsad , but that is 7 jrs ago |
| 18:12.20 | pickcoder | leafwiz: you may be missing the meta package |
| 18:12.21 | dendrite | pickcoder: What's the advantage of LMTP over something like postfix+postdrop? |
| 18:12.28 | pickcoder | lmtp is portable |
| 18:12.39 | xingu | man, linux vmstat doing a passable impersonation of iostat, who knew |
| 18:12.44 | pickcoder | postdrop isn't |
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| 18:12.59 | pickcoder | postdrop doesn't need a socket though |
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| 18:13.23 | kspath | There are all kinds of sites that list all the flashy and often not that useful GUI tools so I am going to devote a page to every useful CLI/Ncurses/Text application that I think is useful |
| 18:13.50 | leafwiz | hmm.. dosen't the install software use tcp ? Seams I'm getting corrupted data.. |
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| 18:13.54 | pickcoder | you probably want to go with postdrop if this is a stable setp |
| 18:13.56 | pickcoder | setup |
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| 18:14.17 | keyhack | wow, postfix was easy to set up, haha, what package would the 'imap' be part of? |
| 18:14.33 | dendrite | pickcoder: yeah, I'm looking at LMTP, and it has drawbacks in our use case. |
| 18:14.37 | wols_ | ltmp with postfix has one problem: chroot of debian postfix |
| 18:15.01 | pickcoder | wols_: I think the chroot on debian is completetly worthless |
| 18:15.04 | dendrite | lmtp also rejects if it can't immediately deliver. |
| 18:15.25 | wols_ | I use lmtp with cyrus21 btw |
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| 18:16.37 | czeroX | what is a virtual package? |
| 18:16.37 | dendrite | keyhack: apt-cache search imap |
| 18:17.02 | keyhack | dendrite: yeah, I found that dovecot-imapd :-) |
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| 18:17.43 | wols_ | klys_: dovecot, courier-imap, cyrus21-imap. those are your choices |
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| 18:18.13 | dendrite | I have not seen any fast queue injection programs for exim... Am I missing something? |
| 18:18.31 | xingu | fast queue injection, mod_perl |
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| 18:18.41 | younghov_cu | hi |
| 18:18.45 | xingu | am I the only person smelling the whiff of hornell products? |
| 18:18.47 | keyhack | now that I have postfix installed, how does it know what email accounts to accept mail on? does it base the first part of the email on the accounts available on the system? can I create mail accounts that don't have a system account? |
| 18:18.49 | dendrite | xingu: No, not spam. |
| 18:18.55 | younghov_cu | is this de debian chat |
| 18:18.57 | younghov_cu | ? |
| 18:19.05 | dendrite | That has already been mentioned, and trust me, that is not what's going on here. |
| 18:19.06 | wols_ | xingu: who is "hornell"? |
| 18:19.10 | pickcoder | keyhack: you need to configure postfix for your server now |
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| 18:19.35 | keyhack | pickcoder: ok, I did the default "Internet mail" option during the intial setup |
| 18:19.47 | pickcoder | that's a bare-bones default |
| 18:19.47 | wols_ | klys_: do you have home dsl or such? |
| 18:19.48 | dendrite | xingu: Anyhow, mod_perl would be a waste in that case. :-) |
| 18:19.53 | kspath | pidstat from sysstat is somewhat ok |
| 18:19.54 | wols_ | keyhack: ^^ |
| 18:19.57 | younghov_cu | I need help abotu setting up a wireless connection on a laptop using a PCMACIA card |
| 18:20.03 | younghov_cu | please |
| 18:20.05 | keyhack | wols_: I have a server in a colo |
| 18:20.10 | xingu | wols_: obviously, a typo; hormel; fusspot. :p |
| 18:20.12 | wols_ | younghov_cu: what WLAN chip? |
| 18:20.12 | pickcoder | #postfix can help |
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| 18:20.28 | dippo_ | does anyone have a suggestion for the best route in getting mysql 4.1 for debian etch? |
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| 18:20.47 | wols_ | dippo_: why do you need it? maybe backports, or a snapshot |
| 18:20.50 | dendrite | pickcoder: I'm not really looking for postfix help, so much as a more general design discussion. |
| 18:20.53 | dippo_ | i love how "apt-get install mysql-server-4.1" installs mysql 5.0.. i am not sure they really thought that one through |
| 18:21.00 | pickcoder | dendrite: that was for keyhack |
| 18:21.07 | dendrite | pickcoder: Ah, OK. |
| 18:21.09 | dippo_ | i need it to support a number of applications that break with mysql 5.0 |
| 18:21.15 | kspath | xingu: from sysstat package pidstat -r -T ALL kinda nice |
| 18:21.26 | sohmestra | how to I overlay one postscript file on another? |
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| 18:21.44 | kspath | xingu: though ps can give that |
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| 18:22.48 | dendrite | I am surprised that no MTA's seem to be able to pull their queue out of a MySQL or Pg database... |
| 18:23.04 | pickcoder | dbmail |
| 18:23.15 | dendrite | pickcoder: Thanks! |
| 18:23.20 | pickcoder | [not in Debian] |
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| 18:23.31 | epsilon | [tm] |
| 18:23.32 | wols_ | why would one need a queue in SQL? |
| 18:23.39 | dendrite | pickcoder: No matter, we're used to packaging stuff we need. |
| 18:23.47 | dendrite | wols_: Several web servers. |
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| 18:24.09 | kspath | I ram SIMS Sun Internet Mail System it was all DB |
| 18:24.15 | dendrite | wols_: That way, smtp can be on a different host, without tying up the network with smtp stuff. |
| 18:24.28 | kspath | it was both very cool and a pain in the ass at the same time |
| 18:24.30 | younghov_cu | HELP PLease I need to get working a Linksys Wireless-G WPC54G on DEBIAN |
| 18:24.37 | xingu | kspath: heh, you must be the only person I've ever come across that used that; I sold and installed a seat of that. |
| 18:24.47 | kspath | xingu: hehehe |
| 18:24.49 | younghov_cu | have no clue at all about how to get it done under debian |
| 18:24.55 | xingu | kspath: 100-200 users; and yes, it was a PITA - SIMS 2.1 I think |
| 18:25.04 | wols_ | then it'd tie up the network qith sql. what's the benefit? |
| 18:25.04 | kspath | xingu: I also ran the iPlanet replacement |
| 18:25.06 | xingu | kspath: even the installation gui used to crash |
| 18:25.08 | pickcoder | wols_: replication is a huge thing as well |
| 18:25.14 | kspath | xingu: I ran 3.5 |
| 18:25.17 | pickcoder | if you can get your mail data into MySQL, you can replicate it easily |
| 18:25.33 | xingu | kspath: hah; yeah I remember that too, I had to build a jumpstart plugngo build for the iplanet 4 directory server |
| 18:25.33 | pickcoder | makes failover and redundancy much simpler |
| 18:25.36 | kspath | xingu: rather than go to 4 we went iPlanet |
| 18:26.13 | kspath | xingu: iplanet directory server "worked" when the two free versions would be difficult |
| 18:26.27 | pickcoder | we're not that big yet, but I've been researching it |
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| 18:26.37 | dendrite | wols_: Possibly nothing. I'm investigating possibilities, and the idea of centralized management of the email system has it's benefits. But yeah, adding back-end network traffic is a down-side. |
| 18:26.38 | xingu | kspath: yeah; but the lack of threads *hosed* it in the app it was ultimately used for |
| 18:26.53 | wols_ | younghov_cu: you need ndiswrapper |
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| 18:26.58 | wols_ | !tell younghov_cu about ndiswrapper |
| 18:27.49 | kspath | pickcoder: I hope your DBs never blow up because recovering mail from flatfiles in maildirs is so much easier than screwed up DBs |
| 18:27.51 | phizeek | i'm having an issue with my debian server at home, after a couple hours eth0 goes down. and the light on my cable modem goes off, if i reboot my server. it starts working again. i don't see any errors in any logs. |
| 18:27.59 | xingu | kspath: fully loaded e450's; one for every block of 2000 subscribers |
| 18:28.00 | pickcoder | kspath: that's why it's replicated |
| 18:28.03 | wols_ | younghov_cu: if you have a v7 of that card, you can use madwifi. use lspcmcia/lspci to check the chip |
| 18:28.23 | xingu | pickcoder: replicated disasters are still disasters :) |
| 18:28.41 | vlt | Hello. Can anyone reccommend a program to arrange severeal jpeg and png files on a page and save it as a pdf file, but w/o altering the image data itself? I tried inkscape, scribus and OOo but didn't get what I expected. Any idea? |
| 18:29.09 | kspath | xingu: 2 node HA E4500s with 2 Sun Disk Arrays connected to both nodes with 2 paths to every drive in each array |
| 18:29.35 | dendrite | vlt: Maybe imagemagick? |
| 18:29.44 | dippo_ | wols_: i haven't been able to find any backports.. typically people are going the other direction :) |
| 18:29.45 | kspath | GBICs were SO expensive for that stuff |
| 18:29.49 | pickcoder | vlt: html2ps |
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| 18:29.55 | xingu | kspath: heh; these were the bottom tier; the top tier was x.500, "opendirectory" from hazy memory |
| 18:29.57 | dippo_ | i guess i will have to either alien an rpm or just compile it :/ |
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| 18:30.08 | pickcoder | keep in mind that PDFs use vector imaging |
| 18:30.12 | pickcoder | JPGs are raster |
| 18:30.22 | pickcoder | conver them to EPS first, if you want a clean PDF |
| 18:30.35 | xingu | kspath: pretty full on stuff; but necessary. |
| 18:31.03 | kspath | is it my imagination or is fail2ban a bit of a piggy on memory? 40MB |
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| 18:32.39 | fastputty | dont use fail2ban |
| 18:32.52 | vlt | dendrite: IM is good at creating pdfs from any image format but I don't know how to arrange several images on one "page" there. |
| 18:33.19 | vlt | pickcoder: I'll try ... 'though this comes close to using LaTeX ;-) |
| 18:33.22 | dendrite | vlt: Heh. Well, it'll take some reading of the docs, plus some experimentation, I'm sure. |
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| 18:33.54 | vlt | dendrite: I can't imagine that there's no handy tool out there for such a simple task ... |
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| 18:34.07 | dendrite | vlt: There is also a set of perl bindings, called perlmagick, that lets you get a LOT of control over the whole image manipulation process. |
| 18:34.19 | dendrite | vlt: Well, it's not really a simple task. |
| 18:34.37 | pickcoder | vlt: regardless, a raster to vector conversion is going to cause distortion |
| 18:34.47 | lymeca | So I need to run X11 with the -ignoreABI command line switch, and 'startx --ignoreABI' works fine, but I want to run gdm like that because startx just plops me into GNOME as root and that's no good |
| 18:34.58 | lymeca | But 'gdm --ignoreABI' does NOT work |
| 18:35.11 | lymeca | How can I run gdm with this command line switch? |
| 18:35.11 | pickcoder | kspath: mine is using about 4MB RES |
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| 18:35.27 | lymeca | So that I may log in via the display manager into my desktop environment of choice |
| 18:37.09 | xingu | vlt: how about htmldoc? |
| 18:38.17 | pickcoder | i thought that was a commercial product |
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| 18:39.04 | pickcoder | guess it's not completely commercial |
| 18:39.25 | vlt | pickcoder: There should be no raster2vector involved in my situation, should it? |
| 18:39.37 | pickcoder | I've been using a hacked version of html2ps 1.0 here for years for document gen |
| 18:39.50 | pickcoder | JPGs aren't vector images |
| 18:40.06 | dendrite | I don't think png's are either... |
| 18:40.11 | pickcoder | they aren't |
| 18:40.16 | pickcoder | just try a few tools |
| 18:40.22 | pickcoder | and see which ones handle resampling the best |
| 18:40.24 | lymeca | Where/How can I specify X server arguements in my gdm.conf? |
| 18:40.29 | pickcoder | or.. get the original in EPS format |
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| 18:42.05 | redrain | Hi, I want to try Apache's mpm-worker module. But it wants to remove these packages: libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-mysql phpmyadmin. |
| 18:43.09 | redrain | Isn't it possible to use mpm-worker with PHP? |
| 18:43.12 | dendrite | redrain: is this with apache2-mpm-worker ? |
| 18:43.16 | abrotman | i think it's really not recommended |
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| 18:43.28 | redrain | dendrite, Yes |
| 18:43.29 | abrotman | or wasn't at one time |
| 18:43.46 | phizeek | is there an easy way to add 32 IPs? |
| 18:43.50 | lord_rob | Hi ! I can't start X anymore on my Sid box :( I keep getting an error message "Fatal Server Error:\n Caught signal 4. xinit: Server aborting\n Connection to X Server Lost\n xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "lightning:0" in "remove" command (lightning is the hostname of my box). Any idea ? |
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| 18:48.18 | pickcoder | phizeek: if you plan on doing something with each IP then you need to assign it to a virtual interface |
| 18:48.25 | juso | I need to edit a 3GB sql file, how would I do that with an editor? |
| 18:48.29 | pickcoder | that's 32 virtuals |
| 18:48.30 | ^Cobra^ | lord_rob: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log if there's some extra info |
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| 18:49.26 | pumpkin0 | juso: 3 GB SQL commands or a real DB from postgres/mysql ? |
| 18:49.45 | vlt | pickcoder: "and see which ones handle resampling the best" ??? I don't want any resampling, recompression or image convertion at all. Isn't it possible to just "place" a jpeg image object in a pdf file? (That's why `pdfimages -j` can return jpeg images, I thought.) |
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| 18:50.16 | xingu | vlt: I'd have assumed-so myself; have you tried htmldoc? |
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| 18:50.42 | xingu | vlt: hell, if you can place an href in a pdf, a jpg should be trivial |
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| 18:51.08 | juso | pumpkin0: sql commands. |
| 18:51.49 | pumpkin0 | juso: so you want syntax highlighting ? |
| 18:52.15 | pickcoder | vlt: you can include EPS in-line with PS without modification, but I really don't think you can include a raster image in-line. I could be wrong though. |
| 18:52.20 | pickcoder | I've never found a way to do it |
| 18:52.38 | pickcoder | if you do, let me know |
| 18:52.58 | lord_rob | ok ^Cobra^ |
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| 18:53.45 | xingu | juso: can nvi cope just out of a stray interest? |
| 18:54.05 | xingu | juso: I'm guessing you'll need a 64bit arch somewhere along the line too. |
| 18:55.07 | juso | pumpkin0: no, I dont want syntax highlighting, only need to edit first 10 lines,.. and then last 10 lines.. thats all |
| 18:55.21 | pickcoder | vlt: http://www.pdf-tools.com/asp/faq.asp?s=&q=21 |
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| 18:55.43 | pumpkin0 | juso: vim ? |
| 18:55.46 | lord_rob | ^Cobra^: I end with 19 lines of backtrace :( |
| 18:56.12 | juso | what im using? |
| 18:56.25 | juso | I will use.. anything that can get the job done, but yes I have vim |
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| 18:57.17 | pumpkin0 | juso: it should have no problems with a 3GB file... it may become a bit slow. |
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| 18:58.38 | xingu | pumpkin0: just don't go putting the whole lot into a cut buffer eh? |
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| 18:59.05 | timmy_boy | juso: head filename > temp |
| 18:59.13 | timmy_boy | juso: tail filename > temp |
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| 18:59.34 | juso | timmy_boy: then patch? diff? |
| 18:59.40 | timmy_boy | juso: man head |
| 18:59.41 | juso | how am I geting them back into one file, hah |
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| 19:01.11 | vlt | pickcoder: Yes, looks like you're right. From pdfimages's manpage: "-j [...] With this option, images in DCT format are saved as JPEG files. All non-DCT images are saved in PBM/PPM format as usual." |
| 19:01.16 | abrotman | stew: nevermind |
| 19:01.29 | vlt | pickcoder: So there must be a "special DCT pdf image fromat" |
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| 19:02.14 | Agiofws | http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mailsketchra3.jpg is this hw i can set UP mutt with gmail ? hi |
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| 19:02.53 | foo | I cannot access ssh on a particular system. I can't seem to figure it out. I can ping the box, but the ssh banner doesn't return on port 22. When I try to access it from another network, it works fine. My IP isn't in iptables and it's not in hosts.deny ... where else could it possibly be? I don't have any other firewalls |
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| 19:03.47 | foo | It just times out when I try to connect to it |
| 19:03.56 | Agiofws | are you on the same network ? |
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| 19:04.08 | xingu | foo: /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} ? |
| 19:04.14 | foo | Agiofws: no |
| 19:04.22 | xingu | oh, hmm. |
| 19:04.42 | Agiofws | whats you network and wjhats ssh'd network ? |
| 19:04.51 | xingu | foo: do hosts.{allow,deny} have PARANOID enabled? |
| 19:05.04 | foo | xingu: My IP is in neither. |
| 19:05.10 | foo | xingu: No paranoid enabled |
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| 19:05.20 | foo | xingu: If it was, I wouldn't be able to ssh in from the other box |
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| 19:05.44 | foo | Agiofws: Two completely different networks at different carriers... a system on the WAN |
| 19:06.00 | xingu | foo: sshd_config, Allow*/Deny* ? |
| 19:06.02 | epsilon | foo: the server allows incoming on 22 from all? |
| 19:06.07 | Agiofws | so we are not talking about a LAN now ? |
| 19:06.14 | Agiofws | kk |
| 19:06.15 | Agiofws | so |
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| 19:06.37 | Agiofws | are you hosts that you ssh from usingthe same ISP ? |
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| 19:07.13 | foo | Agiofws: I never said we were talking about a LAN. And I've already told you, different ISPs. :) Thanks for trying to help |
| 19:07.18 | foo | xingu: Nothing that I see.. |
| 19:07.23 | foo | xingu: It just times out when I try to connect to port 22 |
| 19:07.28 | foo | It doesn't say refused... which is what's weird. |
| 19:07.40 | xingu | foo: sounds like something upstream of it is dropping your traffic |
| 19:07.42 | foo | And I can access another system on this remote network, just these 2 systems I can't. Boy this has me stumped. *thinks* |
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| 19:07.46 | xingu | foo: tcpdump -ni eth0 port 22 |
| 19:07.49 | foo | xingu: But I can ping the network |
| 19:07.51 | Agiofws | so see if you ISP is not blocking incoming 22 ? |
| 19:07.59 | xingu | foo: regardless; it might be a port filter. |
| 19:08.07 | foo | Agiofws: I can ssh to other systems |
| 19:08.16 | foo | On that network, and other systems in general, via ssh port. |
| 19:08.17 | foo | hmmm |
| 19:08.20 | foo | actually |
| 19:08.22 | xingu | foo: tcpdump the box you're trying to log into; make sure it's recieving the tcp/22 SYN |
| 19:08.34 | foo | xingu: ood idea. |
| 19:08.36 | foo | Good * |
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| 19:09.25 | foo | xingu: Actually, I can't do that... since I don't have any other type of access to the box. |
| 19:09.33 | foo | xingu: I'm going to try changing the SSH port, and see if that does it. |
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| 19:09.37 | merda | is there anything like stunnel for udp over udp? |
| 19:09.40 | foo | I'll be darn if my ISP started blocking outgoing traffic on port 22. |
| 19:10.00 | babilen | hi all... |
| 19:10.15 | Selenolycus | I have a question - how can I disable X from starting automatically? |
| 19:10.20 | xingu | merda: openvpn? why buggerise about? |
| 19:10.55 | babilen | i want to send one mail to a bunch of people. i have their email addresses and the body in a text file. is there an easy way to do this? |
| 19:11.07 | foo | xingu: nope, that doesn't seem to help |
| 19:11.09 | babilen | Selenolycus: are you using gdm? |
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| 19:11.16 | Selenolycus | babilen: Yes. |
| 19:11.29 | yigal | I want to use some of the entries from lbdb and insert them into a full address book with telephone numbers, physical addresses etc.. Does anyone have suggestions on how to do this? I thought someone may know here. I want to be able to convert this to a vcard so I can upload it to my PDA - a BlackBerry. |
| 19:11.47 | merda | that would be overkill |
| 19:11.49 | xingu | foo: tcpdump, make sure the traffic you think is hitting the box, actually is. |
| 19:12.05 | xingu | foo: timeout vs connection reset means that no RST is being generated. |
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| 19:12.33 | xingu | foo: which is more than likely to indicate something only passing "required" traffic for various values of required. |
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| 19:12.52 | foo | xingu: Can I have tcpdump not show traffic back and forth from a certain IP? I could grep -v , maybe. Otherwise, the other box I used as a gateway floods the term |
| 19:12.57 | abrotman | thc! |
| 19:13.01 | Selenolycus | babilen: ? |
| 19:13.07 | xingu | foo: tcpdump -ni eth0 port 22 not foohost |
| 19:13.12 | abrotman | foo: but have you seen bar? |
| 19:13.20 | foo | abrotman: Yes, want me to get him in here? |
| 19:13.23 | thc | abrotman: what's up, dude. |
| 19:13.28 | xingu | foo: tcpdump -ni eth0 port 22 not host foohost |
| 19:13.29 | xingu | rather. |
| 19:13.30 | abrotman | foo: nah |
| 19:13.33 | foo | xingu: gotcha, thanks |
| 19:13.35 | abrotman | thc: how's it going? |
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| 19:14.03 | thc | abrotman: great, how you doing? |
| 19:14.31 | merda | Selenolycus: i'm not sure, but try update-rc.d remove x11-common |
| 19:14.39 | ShereKhan | I am playing around with Etch on a semi-old (Athlon 1100, 512 MB RAM) computer. I have some music running in the background, but the slightest peak in CPU usage causes a gurgling distortion in the sound playback. Is there anything I can do about this? |
| 19:14.50 | foo | xingu: hm, for foohost I am putting an IP and it's throwing a syntax error |
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| 19:14.59 | abrotman | thc: it's getting cold! |
| 19:15.05 | xingu | foo: not host ip.ad.dr.es |
| 19:15.16 | abrotman | thc: it's only 71F today! |
| 19:15.25 | thc | abrotman: better grow that chest hair back out |
| 19:15.26 | merda | it's update-rc.d x11-commoin remove |
| 19:15.38 | abrotman | thc: perhaps |
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| 19:15.46 | foo | xingu: Yeah :) Hm, strange. (that's what I'm doing) |
| 19:15.58 | xingu | foo: perhaps port 22 and not host ... ? |
| 19:16.19 | foo | xingu: actually, yeah, that's it. I just saw that in the man page too |
| 19:16.45 | yigal | ShereKhan: is it a laptop? |
| 19:17.03 | ShereKhan | yigal: No, desktop |
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| 19:18.11 | yigal | ShereKhan: it has cpu scaling so see if it has problems if you force it to have a constant high cpu? |
| 19:18.12 | ShereKhan | I am using the sound card built into the mainboard, which is some AC97 based stuff. The problem appears no matter which program I am playing with, I am currently using XMMS. I have tried both OSS and ALSA, same results. |
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| 19:18.42 | foo | xingu: blah, not showing anything relevant to my IP. On my end, it just times out. What's weird to me is that I can still ping the address |
| 19:18.54 | foo | xingu: Port 80 is open for me, but not port 22. |
| 19:19.05 | foo | This totally sounds like a firewall issue, but iptables -L doesn't show my IP, nor is it in hosts.deny |
| 19:19.19 | xingu | foo: right; so I think the firewall is further north than your system |
| 19:19.31 | foo | xingu: You mean, there is some other type of firewall inbetween me and the server? |
| 19:19.36 | xingu | foo: exactly. |
| 19:19.45 | xingu | foo: or a packet filter on a router |
| 19:20.14 | foo | xingu: For as much as I'd like to believe that, this server is in a data center... and I doubt that has happened, but I suppose I can call. Otherwise, I'm just going to reboot the system and see if that works. |
| 19:20.35 | ShereKhan | yigal: I don't think this CPU supports any kind of scaling (AMD Athlon 1100), and the MHz seems to be constant. |
| 19:20.44 | xingu | foo: if you replace your tcpdump term with just "host ip.ad.dr.es" do you see the icmp-echo and reply? |
| 19:21.12 | xingu | foo: that would give you one -ve and one +ve match and a pretty damn good idea that your packets were getting disappeared somewhere between source and sink |
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| 19:22.08 | groogs | Does anyone know of a way to redirect a tty (eg, /dev/ttyS5 ) to make a tcp connection? |
| 19:22.32 | xingu | groogs: netcat? |
| 19:23.25 | harakeke | ssh login to a computer Im networked to is very slow..... I can ping the computer ok, seems fast. Im using the ip address directly in the ssh command (ssh user@192.168.xxx.xxx) so I don't think its a dns problem... any ideas? |
| 19:23.25 | monokrome | Hi! I have an SSH server running on a static outside IP, but if I try to access SSH through the same router that the server's on, it freezes after I type the password? |
| 19:23.57 | groogs | xingu: i have a program trying to open a /dev/tty .. but the device is actually connected on a serial<>tcp/ip gateway |
| 19:24.44 | yigal | ShereKhan: so it is at a constant 1.1GHz? |
| 19:24.55 | yigal | ShereKhan: or so |
| 19:25.14 | yigal | ShereKhan: what kernel are you using? |
| 19:25.29 | mick_work | you know, the more i travel outside of this channel - the more i'm drawn back in |
| 19:25.36 | mick_work | :) |
| 19:25.54 | mick_work | when i visit others, I realize really what a great community Debian has |
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| 19:26.47 | abrotman | mick_work: piss off! |
| 19:27.11 | mick_work | what i deduced from my experience... #solaris is filled w/ racists and pedophiles (scary and eww) and #ubuntu is filled w/ morons |
| 19:27.22 | mick_work | abrotman: oh thanks :-P |
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| 19:27.38 | monokrome | mick_work: True story :) |
| 19:27.45 | harakeke | any ideas about ssh login taking about 30 seconds when the two computers are 1m apart and on the same local network? |
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| 19:27.59 | mick_work | well sorry for the OT remark, but i really do love this channel/community |
| 19:28.02 | dkr | harakeke: try ssh -v |
| 19:28.11 | harakeke | dkr: cheers Ill try |
| 19:28.19 | mick_work | heh, hi dkr :) |
| 19:28.22 | yigal | ShereKhan: I mean how many stepping levels are there using cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:28.23 | dkr | harakeke: that will give you a clue as to which step is taking a while |
| 19:28.24 | mick_work | long time no see |
| 19:28.33 | dkr | mick_work: guten tag |
| 19:28.39 | mick_work | moin :-P |
| 19:28.40 | abrotman | monokrome: try -v to debug |
| 19:28.44 | chops | harakeke: Is either machine firewalled? Sometimes a firewalled ident port can cause that (for a variety of bizarre reasons). |
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| 19:29.01 | monokrome | abrotman: I did. It freezes after it sends the charset |
| 19:29.03 | monokrome | :/ |
| 19:29.10 | monokrome | Which is on the server |
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| 19:29.20 | mick_work | harakeke: when i use -C and -c blowfish it takes longer to initiate the connection, but the connection is faster |
| 19:29.34 | dkr | mick_work: I moved. (really far! from miami to ft lauderdale :) |
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| 19:30.21 | harakeke | chops: seems to hang on "debug1: Miscellaneous failure |
| 19:30.21 | harakeke | No credentials cache found" then after a pause it works ok |
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| 19:31.02 | harakeke | chops: Neither machine is firewalled to my knowledge. Unless something was setup by default when I installed and I don't know about it.. |
| 19:31.32 | dkr | harakeke: what type of authentication are you using? password, or key? |
| 19:31.54 | chops | harakeke: You could also try running a packet sniffer to check for something like a failing ident attempt. If all you see is the ssh connection you're not going to get very far debugging it that way, though :-) |
| 19:31.57 | harakeke | dkr: password, that is what the remote machine asks for... |
| 19:31.59 | abrotman | monokrome: errors on the server ? |
| 19:32.30 | dkr | maybe missing/unwritable ~/.ssh/known_hosts file? or mayeb you have remote host key ident enabled in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
| 19:32.46 | harakeke | chops: surely it has to do with that error "debug1: Miscellaneous failure |
| 19:32.46 | harakeke | No credentials cache found" I think dkr may be on right track? |
| 19:33.08 | harakeke | dkr: if that was case, why does it work at all? |
| 19:33.28 | dkr | actually, I just noticed you said that message is *before* the pause, what happens immediately after the pause? |
| 19:33.29 | chops | harakeke: "Surely" is a dangerous word :-). It's better to conclusively eliminate possibilities than it is to assert what it is that "must" be going wrong. |
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| 19:34.15 | harakeke | the next output of ssh -v is "debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received" |
| 19:34.32 | harakeke | and it seems fast from there |
| 19:35.21 | chops | harakeke: strace might also be useful |
| 19:35.26 | dkr | no idea what that is, KE for kerberos? |
| 19:35.28 | harakeke | I need to find what the "credentials cache is" |
| 19:35.37 | monokrome | abrotman: Where would the errors be? :o |
| 19:35.37 | harakeke | chops: what is strace? |
| 19:35.40 | dkr | you can also enable debug on server side, and check log from that end |
| 19:35.57 | dkr | strace shows all system calls a process is making |
| 19:36.06 | harakeke | dkr: thanks ill try |
| 19:36.07 | monokrome | abrotman: There isn't anything about it in /var/log |
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| 19:36.58 | abrotman | monokrome: can you ssh from the server to the server ? |
| 19:37.10 | monokrome | I can ssh localhost |
| 19:37.14 | monokrome | and I can ssh from the outside |
| 19:37.28 | monokrome | I'll try sshing from server to server with the IP. one sec. |
| 19:37.38 | foo | xingu: hmm, nope. Actually, I'm going to power cycle my modem and restart linux networking on my linux router. I've seen some weird stuff before, but usually it just blocks an IP address. |
| 19:38.04 | ShereKhan | yigal: `cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep stepping` says 2. Kernel 2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 19:38.17 | harakeke | dkr: I have no ~/.ssh/known_hosts file on either machine. Do you think that is the problem? |
| 19:38.55 | harakeke | dkr: correction: that file is on my machine but not the one Im ssh to |
| 19:39.22 | monokrome | abrotman: I can also ssh server->server with the internet IP. |
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| 19:39.37 | dkr | harakeke: that's ok then. that just remembers the hosts you connect to |
| 19:39.50 | dkr | harakeke: do you have CheckHostIP no in /etc/ssh/ssh_config? |
| 19:39.55 | yigal | ShereKhan: what about the system resources, like what does 'top' say when the sound gets f*&*43 up? |
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| 19:40.56 | foo | xingu: bleh, I was nmap'g the wrong IP |
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| 19:41.10 | foo | xingu: I was on a different system... now I can see the traffic. Although, ssh still shows as filtered. |
| 19:41.26 | abrotman | monokrome: so it's only from an internal IP ? |
| 19:41.27 | harakeke | dkr: CheckHostIP yes but its commented out. I just have the default settings, I haven't touched /etc/ssh/ssh_config myself |
| 19:42.57 | ShereKhan | yigal: CPU idle is varying between 50-90%. Load averages between 1-2. Plenty of free RAM. The sound is not _very_ distorted, it's just slight gurgle now and then, like a tape walkman with a bad battery. But for music, it's plenty annoying. |
| 19:43.54 | yigal | ShereKhan: if you are using ALSA is there anything in alsamixer that would seem to show something is wrong? |
| 19:44.18 | yigal | ShereKhan: I know you said both OSS and ALSA had problems but what does alsamixer look like when using alsa? |
| 19:44.26 | Tabakhase | iptraffic didn´t works on vps, any alternative? |
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| 19:44.36 | monokrome | abrotman: Yeah. |
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| 19:44.49 | Tsukasa_ | hey guys, i need a little help with installing grub on my raid0.... |
| 19:45.01 | abrotman | monokrome: why not ssh to the internal IP ? |
| 19:45.10 | monokrome | There isn't an internal IP |
| 19:45.14 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:45.17 | marcz908 | is there any place on the internet i can get a good tutorial for configuration exim on debian? virtual hosts, etc? |
| 19:45.20 | monokrome | The router makes the external IP internal |
| 19:45.24 | ShereKhan | yigal: Looks normal to me. Am I looking for anything in particular? No errors or anything. Master and PCM has levels between 80-90%. Setting both to 100% produces clipping |
| 19:45.31 | abrotman | but you're on the same LAN right ? |
| 19:45.33 | monokrome | Since both machines are both on the same router |
| 19:45.34 | monokrome | Yeah |
| 19:45.41 | abrotman | so it has an internal IP? |
| 19:45.46 | monokrome | er |
| 19:45.47 | yigal | ShereKhan: what about reducing all levels to roughly 70%? |
| 19:45.49 | abrotman | what's the IP on the machine itself ? |
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| 19:45.57 | monokrome | It's on it's own static internet IP |
| 19:46.04 | monokrome | So, it's not on the same LAN... Sorry. |
| 19:46.16 | yigal | ShereKhan: what about running the kernel with noapic? |
| 19:46.24 | harakeke | dkr: thanks for your help, gotta go now. I think you have pointed me in the right direction, Ill have another try later |
| 19:46.37 | harakeke | chops:thanks |
| 19:46.51 | ShereKhan | yigal: I am running the kernel with acpi=off and noapic |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | monokrome: a possible routing issue ? |
| 19:46.56 | monokrome | It's on 67.40.118.141 |
| 19:47.18 | abrotman | wait .. i know that IP!!! |
| 19:47.20 | yigal | ShereKhan: so was it any use lowering the meters ? |
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| 19:47.48 | monokrome | But, since I'm on the same router of it - going to that address is as fast as a LAN because it only goes out to the router |
| 19:48.03 | abrotman | so it's actually in a DMZ ? |
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| 19:48.14 | monokrome | Yeah, it's a DMZ basically |
| 19:48.26 | abrotman | i'd double check your network settings on your router and server |
| 19:48.37 | spx2 | if I have by mistake mounted one of my volumes multiple times |
| 19:48.43 | abrotman | monokrome: how long have you waited after the freeze? |
| 19:48.44 | ShereKhan | yigal: 70% did not solve it either |
| 19:48.49 | spx2 | how can I unmount it from a specific directory ? |
| 19:48.51 | monokrome | abrotman: half hour |
| 19:49.00 | abrotman | oh |
| 19:49.03 | monokrome | I've double checked |
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| 19:49.12 | monokrome | It all looks fine unless I forgot something |
| 19:49.27 | abrotman | netmask? gateway? IP ? |
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| 19:49.44 | spx2 | if I have by mistake mounted one of my volumes multiple times how can I unmount from a specific directory |
| 19:49.45 | yigal | ShereKhan: what other applications are you running? |
| 19:49.50 | monokrome | They are both right |
| 19:50.25 | monokrome | I can browse the HTTP server from here |
| 19:50.28 | monokrome | but I can't get into SSH |
| 19:50.37 | asg | spx2: umount multiple times or use umount -l (if you get complaints) |
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| 19:51.10 | abrotman | monokrome: so it just exchanges keys and dies ? |
| 19:51.24 | monokrome | exchanges keys, asks for password, and dies here: |
| 19:51.32 | ShereKhan | yigal: It might seem that bandwidth intensive stuff has more impact on the sound than CPU usage itself. Scrolling large and comples web pages with lots of plugins and action, for instance. And torrents. |
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| 19:52.35 | monokrome | debug1: Sending env LANG = en_US.UTF-8 |
| 19:52.44 | monokrome | After that, nothing. |
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| 19:53.10 | abrotman | do both machines need to have the same locale ? |
| 19:53.39 | monokrome | They both have the same locale |
| 19:53.42 | yigal | ShereKhan: good luck |
| 19:53.47 | monokrome | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 19:54.09 | abrotman | monokrome: tried more than one v ? |
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| 19:54.20 | monokrome | yeah |
| 19:54.23 | abrotman | nothing changes ? |
| 19:54.25 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 19:54.46 | monokrome | :| |
| 19:54.48 | asg | abrotman: did you verify the remote shell is not set to /bin/false? |
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| 19:55.08 | abrotman | asg: would it pass a LANG if it was ? |
| 19:55.18 | abrotman | isn't that part of the shell procedure ? |
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| 19:55.28 | ShereKhan | Ah well. Tnx for trying, yigal |
| 19:56.49 | monokrome | debug3: no such identity: /home/user/.ssh/identity |
| 19:56.57 | monokrome | abrotman: Think that might have something to do with it? |
| 19:57.11 | abrotman | dunno .. maybe .. |
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| 19:57.26 | abrotman | monokrome: asg wondered if you had a valid shell on the server |
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| 19:57.38 | asg | abrotman: maybe if pam_env or somesuch as handling the connection before spawning the shell. Dunno offhand. |
| 19:57.39 | monokrome | yeah |
| 19:58.00 | monokrome | I can SSH the server from my home, or any IP outside the office. |
| 19:58.08 | asg | ah, okay. Nevermind then. |
| 19:58.16 | mick_work | dkr: check /msg |
| 19:58.23 | monokrome | yeah :/ |
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| 19:58.47 | Aethelred | I've got a process running into an "open files" limit (1024). I've been googling, and reading, but have become confused. How can I set this limit higher? |
| 20:00.01 | monokrome | debug2: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 32768 |
| 20:00.14 | monokrome | That's what it locks up on with -vvv |
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| 20:00.45 | asg | Aethelred: /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 20:01.31 | stew | Aethelred: i'd be curious about what the process needs to open 1000 files for. or is it 1000 network connections? or what? |
| 20:01.48 | asg | stew: squid would but it has it's own internal config |
| 20:01.50 | Aethelred | yes, it's mostly net connections |
| 20:02.00 | abrotman | he's stealing pr0n! |
| 20:02.02 | at0miku | I'm wondering how to write a small bash script that'd flush the iptables, then set up IP masquerading, then block all incoming connections apart from 192.168.0.3 |
| 20:02.06 | stew | Aethelred: and you really want it making taht many connections? |
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| 20:02.14 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 20:02.14 | dpkg | from memory, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 20:02.17 | at0miku | I've never got iptables, I've tried reading up on them but totally failed it |
| 20:02.36 | monokrome | Well, thanks you for your help. I need to go, and I will figure it out later |
| 20:02.37 | monokrome | :) |
| 20:02.37 | troubled | did someone say pr0n? |
| 20:02.46 | at0miku | mmm pr0nz |
| 20:02.51 | asg | troubled: it was only to flush you out |
| 20:02.55 | Aethelred | I don't necessarily want that. But that many users do. This is a blessing, and a curse |
| 20:02.58 | monokrome | Much appreciated, abrotman / asg. |
| 20:02.59 | troubled | asg: bah ;) |
| 20:03.01 | at0miku | oh no please please dont make me read about iptables |
| 20:03.07 | at0miku | nooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 20:03.12 | troubled | at0miku: shorewall |
| 20:03.18 | Aethelred | asg: thanks, I've been reading about that. |
| 20:03.19 | asg | monokrome: let us know if you figure it out. Good luck. |
| 20:03.22 | at0miku | Does it use X window system? |
| 20:03.24 | monokrome | will do |
| 20:03.27 | monokrome | later |
| 20:03.29 | at0miku | console only, Yes? |
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| 20:03.58 | asg | abrotman: see, I'm much less irritable when I'm drinking in a bar. |
| 20:04.17 | stew | asg: can i see you if i go to the webcam? |
| 20:04.19 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 20:04.28 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 20:04.28 | dpkg | [pubtime] time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 20:04.49 | asg | stew: sadly, no. That place isn't a regular haunt these days. |
| 20:05.02 | abrotman | they miss his money! |
| 20:05.20 | asg | abrotman: they have no available wireless, that's a deal-breaker |
| 20:05.28 | diafic | Why do I get no sound from my speakers in 2.6.22? |
| 20:05.32 | diafic | headphones work fine |
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| 20:05.37 | DexterF | hi |
| 20:05.38 | diafic | and it used to be fine in 2.6.18 |
| 20:05.45 | Aethelred | asg: what do you drink? |
| 20:05.57 | DexterF | off topic: does google pre-filter search results according to my location? |
| 20:06.02 | abrotman | asg: have you asked them to get some ? |
| 20:06.08 | asg | Aethelred: light crap, since it's early and I have to drive. |
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| 20:06.17 | abrotman | DexterF: ask #google maybe ? |
| 20:06.20 | asg | abrotman: many times. |
| 20:06.39 | Aethelred | whatever it may be, if I can make limits.conf solve my problem I'll buy you one. |
| 20:06.44 | anomic | i have a bit of a problem. the nvidia-glx package depends on nvidia-kernel-100.14.11, which doesn't exist. what do i do? |
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| 20:06.54 | asg | abrotman: that webcam used to be wide open, dunno if it still is. |
| 20:07.08 | abrotman | bathroom cam ? |
| 20:07.18 | Aethelred | and how does this limit propogate to my shell (bash)? |
| 20:07.20 | DexterF | abrotman: #google topic literally: "This is not a support channel, but more of a place to hang out. You can try to ask questions, but don't expect an answer." |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:07.32 | asg | abrotman: you could pan it around to see more interesting things than the game machine |
| 20:07.38 | abrotman | DexterF: i knew it existed :) |
| 20:07.45 | abrotman | asg: creepy |
| 20:07.51 | diafic | anyone? |
| 20:07.55 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 20:07.58 | \amethyst | Aethelred: pam_limits |
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| 20:08.31 | Aethelred | so when a user logs in, pam_limits references limits.conf, and shells inherit this? |
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| 20:08.42 | \amethyst | yes |
| 20:08.57 | abrotman | Aethelred: via ssh ? |
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| 20:09.20 | \amethyst | Aethelred: I think it's /etc/security/limits.conf (at least it is on sid) |
| 20:09.29 | abrotman | it is |
| 20:09.30 | \amethyst | the default ssh pam config uses pam_limits, yes |
| 20:09.45 | Aethelred | Well, since the machine in question is in a rack somewhere halfway across the country, then yes... via ssh |
| 20:10.00 | xerophyte1 | does anybody know why do i get this error EXT3-fs error (device sda6): ext3_free_blocks: Freeing blocks not in datazone - block = 3120627712, count = 1 |
| 20:10.17 | Aethelred | \amethyst yeah, I'm looking at limits.conf now. I'm noodling with it on my home box, then if that works I'll try it on the server |
| 20:10.35 | Aethelred | asg also pointed me at limits.conf |
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| 20:12.58 | abrotman | xerophyte1: doesn't sound good! |
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| 20:14.22 | main2 | . /etc/network/interfaces is for ifup use right? |
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| 20:17.26 | main2 | anyone? |
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| 20:20.07 | pickcoder | main2: man interfaces |
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| 20:21.16 | main2 | no man available for the entry 'interfaces' :S |
| 20:21.31 | Frostshoc | is there a linux alternative for WSUS? |
| 20:21.57 | Frostshoc | or more clearly.. a port :) |
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| 20:22.12 | pickcoder | what is WSUS |
| 20:22.31 | teclo | Hello, how can you be 100% sure you're running a 64-bit version of Debian ? uname -a says x86_64 right ? |
| 20:23.05 | Frostshoc | Windows Server Update Service |
| 20:23.16 | pickcoder | I have no clue what that is |
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| 20:23.35 | pickcoder | teclo: yes |
| 20:23.40 | Frostshoc | instead of having 100 clients download the updates from windows update 100 times.. the service downloads it and the clients download it from there |
| 20:24.45 | pickcoder | !apt-mirror |
| 20:24.45 | dpkg | [apt-mirror] a tool for making a local mirror for any apt source, look at http://apt-mirror.sf.net |
| 20:24.45 | Frostshoc | having this service in linux would justify moving to linux/debian even more :) |
| 20:25.40 | Frostshoc | pickcoder: i know what apt is.. but normally a large network as alot of windows computers to |
| 20:25.48 | Frostshoc | as = has |
| 20:25.53 | pickcoder | and?\ |
| 20:25.58 | teclo | pickcoder: thank you |
| 20:26.00 | pickcoder | apt-cache show apt-mirror |
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| 20:26.19 | Frostshoc | pickcoder: i was just asking if a port exists... |
| 20:26.21 | monokrome | asg: I just put myself on the DMZ and it fixed it. |
| 20:26.30 | pickcoder | what do you think apt-mirror is used for? |
| 20:26.31 | Aethelred | Frostshoc: What he's saying is that you can use apt-mirror to make a local mirror of the files you're interested in. |
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| 20:26.51 | pickcoder | read the freaking apt-cache description |
| 20:26.55 | teclo | and I suppose that with a 64-bit linux distro, stuff like "file /bin/ls" will not return "ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386" ? |
| 20:26.56 | pickcoder | geez |
| 20:27.06 | Frostshoc | im asking for cashing windows files from a linux server :P |
| 20:27.11 | Frostshoc | erm |
| 20:27.13 | pickcoder | O_o |
| 20:27.20 | Frostshoc | caching |
| 20:27.26 | foo | xingu: ah, that traffic I was seeing was just pings |
| 20:27.26 | foo | bleh |
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| 20:28.14 | Trewas | Frostshoc: if someone needs that WSUS because there is so many windows computers in the network, is having one more windows box really a problem? |
| 20:28.47 | Frostshoc | Trewas: yeah, if that box is the only server |
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| 20:29.21 | Aethelred | So you still want to run WSUS, just not on Windows? |
| 20:29.29 | Frostshoc | Aethelred: correct :) |
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| 20:29.45 | Aethelred | I can imagine that such a think might be possible, but I can't imagine it'd be easy. |
| 20:29.47 | Frostshoc | perhaps its possible to run it in wine or something |
| 20:29.52 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:30.22 | Aethelred | Under what conditions will MS sent a WSUS user all the update files? |
| 20:30.35 | Trewas | or maybe with vmware/xen |
| 20:30.40 | pickcoder | why does it matter? this isn't #windows |
| 20:30.48 | Aethelred | I mean, lately MS has been squashing anyone who makes them available unofficially. |
| 20:31.21 | Frostshoc | pickcoder: trying to find alternative solutions |
| 20:31.27 | pickcoder | Frostshoc: if there is something, you may have better luck finding it on google or packages.debian.org |
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| 20:32.14 | pickcoder | a package search yields nothing close here, so I doubt there is anything in Debian |
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| 20:32.46 | Frostshoc | pickcoder: ok.. thanks anyway |
| 20:32.53 | dffd | in pureftpd when using the -j switch to create a homedir automatically, is it possible to use a skeleton directory that defines how the homedir must look like? |
| 20:33.02 | pickcoder | I imagine that is proprietary technology |
| 20:33.18 | Aethelred | Frostshoc: WSUS requires a valid Windows Server 2003 license |
| 20:34.06 | Frostshoc | ok.. then theres probably a validation check somewhere along the way |
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| 20:34.33 | Aethelred | It also checks for valid client licenses |
| 20:34.52 | daidalus13 | hi. is anybody using a dual monitor with gnome? |
| 20:35.22 | foo | daidalus13: Just ask your question... :) |
| 20:35.29 | Frostshoc | Aethelred: sigh.. well.. lets hope they make gnome more user friendly int the future, so people can move away from MS products |
| 20:36.01 | main2 | how can i use wpa_supplicant with ifup? |
| 20:36.14 | Aethelred | what? |
| 20:36.16 | main2 | i dont know how to configure my /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-xxx :S |
| 20:36.26 | Frostshoc | never mind.. :) |
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| 20:36.46 | Aethelred | In my opinion, the extent to which Gnome is unfriendly is the extent to which is slavishly copies the Windows interface |
| 20:36.49 | pickcoder | main2: post-up <command> |
| 20:36.54 | pickcoder | in interfaces |
| 20:37.47 | pickcoder | KDE already has a redmond theme |
| 20:37.59 | daidalus13 | ok, my question is.... do I need something like a dual display card, can I set it up as one desktop area or can I have two workspaces (that's what thay are colled in gnome) in two different monitors. Generally, this is the first time i think about having something like that and I want to chat with anybody that has done it. thanks |
| 20:38.04 | main2 | pickcoder: ifup doest seem to use /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:38.15 | pickcoder | main2: what does /etc/debian_verison say? |
| 20:38.28 | pickcoder | ~version |
| 20:38.28 | apt | hmm... version is Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 20:38.51 | main2 | opensuse 10.2 - a professional debian fork |
| 20:38.55 | main2 | _O- |
| 20:39.07 | anomic | upgrading from lenny to sid is easy. how can i do the opposite? |
| 20:39.19 | pickcoder | you can't downgrade |
| 20:39.24 | anomic | damn |
| 20:39.30 | anomic | how stable is sid these days? |
| 20:39.50 | \amethyst | anomic: as unstable as ever |
| 20:40.11 | \amethyst | software changing every day, the occasional transition |
| 20:40.11 | pickcoder | main2: any reason why you're asking in #debian instead of #suse? |
| 20:40.38 | anomic | damn. i guess it's time to reinstall. |
| 20:41.05 | main2 | pickcoder: yes, there's more people here who know what they're talking about |
| 20:41.15 | pickcoder | we don't know anything about suse, though |
| 20:41.33 | main2 | pickcoder: *shame on me* i tought that its a fork |
| 20:41.34 | main2 | :| |
| 20:41.52 | Trewas | daidalus13: you can use two (or more) monitors like one large monitor with xinerama or alternatively as separate screens (which is how I use monitor and tv) |
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| 20:42.17 | pickcoder | on Debian you can use post-up <command> to launch commands after ifup brings the interface up |
| 20:42.24 | pickcoder | it's assigned in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:42.28 | pickcoder | and you should have a manpage for it |
| 20:43.05 | daidalus13 | Trewas:you can have two separate workspaces with xinerama? |
| 20:43.59 | main2 | pickcoder: i remember that i had a 'man interfaces' but it just disappeared :| |
| 20:44.08 | main2 | so did the interfaces file |
| 20:44.10 | main2 | :S |
| 20:44.32 | at0miku | If I were to do this: "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.0.20 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT" after my "iptables -P INPUT DROP" would it allow all incoming connections from only 192.168.0.20? |
| 20:45.25 | Trewas | daidalus13: with xinerama you essentially have one large monitor, but you can use two monitors without xinerama (it is just an option in X) and then you have two separate workspaces |
| 20:48.04 | pickcoder | at0miku: it should |
| 20:48.10 | pickcoder | is state really an issue here, though? |
| 20:48.18 | at0miku | Not at all |
| 20:48.20 | stew | at0miku: yes, as long as there wasn't something already in the INPUT chain, or you had (-F)lushed it |
| 20:48.22 | at0miku | Can I take it all out? |
| 20:48.35 | at0miku | I'm just going to go ahead and paste my iptables script |
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| 20:48.42 | stew | at0miku: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:48.49 | xand | you can remove "-m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED" I think |
| 20:49.00 | at0miku | stew: Of course :) |
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| 20:49.29 | sinizzl | how do i find out a key's keycode? like, teh red apple on my macbook has keycode 126 (got this from a forum). need to know what keypad-enter is |
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| 20:49.44 | xand | sinizzl: run xev |
| 20:49.46 | at0miku | http://rafb.net/p/hHfR3p39.html <-- What I essentially want this to do, is block all incoming traffic except if its from 192.168.0.20, then ip masquerade/ICS |
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| 20:50.10 | at0miku | Blocking ping requests would be good too, Not sure if "iptables -P INPUT DROP" takes care of that though.... |
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| 20:50.42 | sinizzl | that's now what im looking for |
| 20:50.52 | sinizzl | i need to figure it out so ican place it in /proc/ |
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| 20:51.06 | Jemt | Greetz. When I change the volume in Gnome using the small loud speaker in the upper right corner my settings ain't stored when I reboot. Next time all devices are muted again. |
| 20:51.08 | sinizzl | that xev thing delivers you codes for X11 which arent teh same for console |
| 20:51.16 | xand | arent' they? |
| 20:51.22 | xand | don't know then. |
| 20:51.27 | daidalus13 | Trewas: am not very experienced. will I need to modify any configuration files for the 'option in X' that you mention? Or can I set it up by reconfiguring XFree86? I mean running the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' command? |
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| 20:51.42 | Jemt | Any suggestions on how to solve this issue ? |
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| 20:52.16 | stew | at0miku: "iptables -A INPUT -m state - -state..." should be "...--state..." |
| 20:52.35 | stew | at0miku: note, you only ran -X and -F on the filter table, not the nat table |
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| 20:54.08 | Trewas | daidalus13: actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama has quite nice overview how it works with and without xinerama, I have configured two monitors directly by modifying /etc/X11/xorg.conf but that takes some reading of howtos... there may be some easier ways to configure that nowadays |
| 20:55.13 | daidalus13 | Trewas: ok thanks. I will also need a special graphics card, right? |
| 20:55.57 | Trewas | daidalus13: sure, either a graphic card with two outputs (I think that's almost all of them), or two cards |
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| 20:57.06 | foo | xingu: FWIW, one of the hops inbetween me in the server is dropping my ssh traffic. Darn weird. |
| 20:57.29 | daidalus13 | Trewas: mmm, it's tempting to check the back of my box for how many outputs my NVidia has... I 've got his card since... autumn 2003. Let's see |
| 20:58.28 | daidalus13 | Trewas. No chance. Only one |
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| 21:00.24 | linux_jones | how do i find out what to apt-get to get firegl? |
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| 21:00.56 | stew | linux_jones: what exactly do you mean by firegl? |
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| 21:01.08 | ALE0 | HEJ |
| 21:01.09 | \amethyst | !fglrx |
| 21:01.09 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver for a non-debian installation method, or currently not working with xorg > 7.1 . Downgrade xserver-xorg-core to 7.1 for the time being if you are on testing/unstable |
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| 21:03.07 | linux_jones | \amethyst, so how do i find out my xserver verion? |
| 21:03.13 | linux_jones | version rather |
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| 21:03.40 | Bogus8 | what are you guys opinions of 19" wide screen lcd vs regular 19" lcd? |
| 21:03.43 | \amethyst | linux_jones: that message is old, actually |
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| 21:04.02 | \amethyst | !fglrx-oneliner |
| 21:04.02 | dpkg | somebody said fglrx one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 21:04.07 | \amethyst | linux_jones: that's probably what you need |
| 21:04.11 | dkr | dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 21:04.11 | dpkg | ii xserver-xorg 2.7-1.1 dkr's private gamp collection |
| 21:04.33 | simonrvn | !gamp |
| 21:04.41 | simonrvn | fuck |
| 21:04.45 | simonrvn | @gamp |
| 21:04.53 | simonrvn | hey |
| 21:05.03 | \amethyst | gay asian midgit porn, presumably |
| 21:05.14 | \amethyst | s/gi/ge/ |
| 21:05.15 | simonrvn | totally non-pc, means gay asian midget porn |
| 21:05.47 | simonrvn | was the running joke in this chan for months |
| 21:05.51 | troubled | simonrvn: Having a relapse from your gamp anonymous sessions? |
| 21:05.58 | simonrvn | troubled: hehe |
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| 21:06.00 | at0miku | -22:03:34- (stew) at0miku: note, you only ran -X and -F on the filter table, not the nat table |
| 21:06.06 | at0miku | How does one clear the NAT table? |
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| 21:06.09 | troubled | more like still is :) |
| 21:06.15 | simonrvn | at0miku: um |
| 21:06.34 | simonrvn | @unforget gamp |
| 21:06.37 | troubled | simonrvn: I think gamp predates badgers |
| 21:06.42 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 21:06.46 | simonrvn | yes it does |
| 21:07.03 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 21:07.03 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 21:07.04 | troubled | meeeemorriesss |
| 21:07.12 | simonrvn | no kidding, heh |
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| 21:07.59 | troubled | ravenbird die? |
| 21:08.10 | simonrvn | yeh, for some reason |
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| 21:08.16 | protoloco | o |
| 21:08.16 | stew | at0miku: add "-t nat" |
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| 21:08.40 | troubled | ravenbird: help |
| 21:08.40 | infinity0 | can someone recommend a package to install for MIDI and/or WMV support? |
| 21:08.47 | Gm4n | my server's dropping packets, and I complained to tech support. They said they want a traceroute and a MTR test. I apt-get install traceroute, and ran it, but what is a MTR test? |
| 21:09.00 | troubled | simonrvn: how much you wanna bet the db died :) |
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| 21:09.11 | simonrvn | lost conn. to it |
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| 21:09.48 | troubled | the db or the bot shell? |
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| 21:10.24 | simonrvn | to the db |
| 21:10.36 | simonrvn | was responsive otherwise. filling log up, etc. |
| 21:10.38 | Bogus8 | what are you guys opinions of 19" wide screen lcd vs regular 19" lcd? |
| 21:10.52 | troubled | simonrvn: figured so. same symptoms are irssi + db |
| 21:12.01 | dkr | Bogus8: go with widescreen if you ever watch videos on your machine, :) |
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| 21:12.33 | chops | Bogus8: Go with widescreen, turn monitor vertical. Presto! Super much code make happy! |
| 21:12.33 | dkr | good for modern games, too |
| 21:12.36 | simonrvn | or do a lot of image or other editing |
| 21:12.55 | simonrvn | useful for the tools =) |
| 21:13.28 | dkr | chops: I've tried that with my 24", neat to see lots of one piece of code at a glance, but it puts the top of monitor too high. :) |
| 21:13.29 | Bogus8 | dkr: don't do much tv watching on it, it's actually going to just be a spare... and no games either |
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| 21:13.50 | Bogus8 | chops: that's an idea... my problem with wide is I feel like most things are taller than wider so it seems to be a waste |
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| 21:14.16 | dkr | your natural field of vision is wider than taller, though |
| 21:14.20 | linux_jones | ok so if someone would be so kind as to tell me if im understanding this right, i had to install fire gl so that my ati radeon 9800 pro would do the 3d stuff ? |
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| 21:15.41 | chops | Bogus8: Yes, you are correct. At work I have a widescreen monitor (19" I believe, 1680x1050) turned vertically, and it's a whole pile of good for coding and webpages. |
| 21:15.46 | fakbill | hi all |
| 21:16.21 | Bogus8 | chops: I might look at doing that... I can see a few other uses for a wide if I ever do a triple display (got a dual 19 (reg) now) |
| 21:16.48 | stew | just leave it horizontal and C-x 3 ; M-x follow-mode |
| 21:17.10 | fakbill | I'm experiencing some pb with the last xorg version in sid. my touchpad works just well but my usb mouse acts in a strange way |
| 21:17.17 | at0miku | (stew) at0miku: add "-t nat" |
| 21:17.18 | fakbill | no right clic |
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| 21:17.26 | at0miku | iptables -F #Delete -t nat |
| 21:17.26 | at0miku | ? |
| 21:17.37 | at0miku | Wow i'm dumb |
| 21:17.42 | stew | at0miku: # starts a comment |
| 21:17.44 | at0miku | Didn't take the comment out -_- |
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| 21:17.48 | fakbill | is there something to modify in the xorg.conf ? |
| 21:17.54 | at0miku | iptables -X -t nat |
| 21:18.00 | fakbill | (it used to work just well) |
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| 21:18.08 | at0miku | I'm sure -X would clear the nat thing, but who knows... |
| 21:18.09 | linux_jones | does anyone know how i can tell exactially what video driver im using, in xserver-sorg config i selected ati, but how do i know if its the right one for my card? |
| 21:18.13 | at0miku | or maybe -F (Bah) |
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| 21:18.43 | fakbill | linux_jones : lspci |
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| 21:19.10 | fakbill | linux_jones: if its works it is the right one |
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| 21:19.26 | fakbill | let say the right free driver |
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| 21:19.34 | grb | hi |
| 21:19.40 | fakbill | hi |
| 21:19.55 | grb | is it possible to log into a terminal that is already logged in by root using ssh putty? |
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| 21:20.12 | grb | the thing is i did an apt-get upgrade at the physical machine |
| 21:20.16 | grb | and it needs input |
| 21:20.23 | grb | now i'm in a remote location |
| 21:20.25 | grb | the box only has ssh |
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| 21:20.30 | grb | no vnc type stuff |
| 21:20.35 | linux_jones | fakbill, but before i installed firegl i had to use vesa instead of ati, but now it works |
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| 21:21.55 | fakbill | linux_jones: firegl? non free ati driver? in this case you need to put fglrx instead of ati in your xorg.conf |
| 21:21.57 | chops | grb: It's not possible (that I know of) to remotely attach to a local console session |
| 21:22.03 | stew | !info retty |
| 21:22.07 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 21:22.23 | grb | chops; u think it'll be ok if i just restart and run the apt-get command again? |
| 21:22.24 | chops | grb: It would be if you had started 'screen' in the local console session, also look at stew, he obviously knows more than me :-) |
| 21:22.42 | stew | that package exists, which is about all i know |
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| 21:22.56 | stew | grb: you can likely just kill it and restart it via ssh though |
| 21:23.02 | stew | grb: and this time start it in screen |
| 21:23.07 | grb | ok |
| 21:23.11 | grb | thanks guys |
| 21:23.11 | grb | :) |
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| 21:27.47 | OuiD | tty |
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| 21:32.49 | wAndyw78 | Hi at all. I want to use a PC without graphic adapter as server. I want to use it with ssh and vnc. if I want vnc, i should have a running x-server and a gnome, right? So is there a "dummy" xorg driver? (due to the fact that there is no VGA Card) And should I expect any other problems? |
| 21:32.53 | penguin | I have Vista on one drive and Debian on another, I had Vista on the second drive so I switched the cables to get it to work |
| 21:33.12 | penguin | So Debian did a kernel upgrade and now I have lost Debian. |
| 21:33.42 | penguin | Any easy procedure to get it back? |
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| 21:34.59 | wAndyw78 | penguin: I#M not an expert in this, but I think the grub entry only directs to the wrong drive now. Does Grub start? |
| 21:36.39 | wAndyw78 | penguin: huhu? |
| 21:36.47 | dondelelcaro | penguin: you most likely just have the root= option in the grub menu.lst wrong; you can change it in the grub boot command editor |
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| 21:39.00 | penguin | It goes to grub, but both kernel choices crash |
| 21:39.16 | dondelelcaro | penguin: that's because you (most likely) have the wrong root option set. |
| 21:39.38 | penguin | So what do I put? I am not at that computer now. |
| 21:40.13 | penguin | Do I hit tab like with lilo? |
| 21:40.31 | wAndyw78 | penguin: if you have IDE HD, for example, hda to hdb |
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| 21:40.40 | dondelelcaro | penguin: it's e |
| 21:40.40 | wAndyw78 | penguin: "c" |
| 21:40.54 | dondelelcaro | penguin: there's a menu below which explains exactly what commands to enter. |
| 21:41.17 | wAndyw78 | äh: "e" ;-) have a look at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Command_002dline-interface |
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| 21:42.14 | wAndyw78 | dondelecaro: Have you read my question? |
| 21:42.32 | dondelelcaro | wAndyw78: you don't need an X server for vnc. |
| 21:42.42 | dondelelcaro | wAndyw78: though there's absolutely no reason to use vnc anyway |
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| 21:44.18 | wAndyw78 | dondelecaro: No X-Server for VNC? the accessing PCs are almost all MS Win based, so I can't use X forwarding over ssh (except they would have cygwin-X). or not? |
| 21:45.00 | dondelelcaro | wAndyw78: what are you going to use VNC for anyway? |
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| 21:45.41 | linux_jones | i cant have firegl and opengl at the same time can i? |
| 21:45.42 | Spiritus55 | If I'm not running a server, do I need anything having to do with apache? |
| 21:46.02 | dondelelcaro | Spiritus55: if you're not running an apache web server, no. |
| 21:46.08 | wAndyw78 | dondelecaro: They wan't to play with linux, copy some files with GUI from one folder to another, open some files with OpenOffice and save them, for example |
| 21:46.10 | Spiritus55 | Ok, good. Thanks. |
| 21:46.11 | linux_jones | Spiritus55, not unless you want a weeb server |
| 21:46.15 | pickcoder | Spiritus55: some reports use HTML format.. if you need remote access.. httpd makes it easier |
| 21:46.25 | pickcoder | otherwise, no |
| 21:46.27 | dondelelcaro | Spiritus55: just mark it as automatically installed if you don't know what it is. |
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| 21:46.49 | Spiritus55 | Actually removing it, but thanks. |
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| 21:47.11 | dondelelcaro | wAndyw78: if they're copying files, have them use samba. If they want to use open office, it exists for windows. |
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| 21:47.37 | dondelelcaro | wAndyw78: you generally don't want people using VNC to servers which are actually servers. |
| 21:47.43 | linux_jones | can i have firegl and opengl at the same time? |
| 21:47.49 | dondelelcaro | !repeat |
| 21:47.49 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:48.05 | wAndyw78 | dondelecaro: yes, I'know... |
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| 21:48.51 | wAndyw78 | dondelecaro: Fact is: They wan't to have a gnome#desktop on their windows PC's |
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| 21:49.04 | OuiD | wAndyw78: you could install xclients and display them on your local xserver. thats another way to do it |
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| 21:49.30 | wAndyw78 | dondelecaro: And the only two ways I know is vnc or X forwarding over ssh tunnel with cygwin-X or some other Windows X |
| 21:49.38 | wAndyw78 | ah, okay |
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| 21:50.41 | Vasistha | So, I've got a video dvd here that "cannot play" on my typical american dvd movie player (or three others). Is there a CLI tool I can use to detect what's written on this disk? |
| 21:50.48 | sahal | do i need to download all three dvd's here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:50.53 | sahal | or just one? |
| 21:51.02 | wAndyw78 | dondelecaro: but am I right: VNC can't be used without running X-Server? |
| 21:51.04 | Vasistha | sahal: probably all you need is the netinst cd |
| 21:51.15 | Vasistha | sahal: will you be installing on more than one machine? |
| 21:51.20 | sahal | Vasistha: no |
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| 21:51.32 | OuiD | saha1:netinst |
| 21:51.45 | pickcoder | !d-i |
| 21:51.45 | dpkg | Etch 4.0r0 is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 21:51.50 | Vasistha | sahal: do you have a wired internet connection? even if not, many wireless cards are detected by the net installer |
| 21:52.34 | sahal | Vasistha: alright, thanks |
| 21:52.37 | sahal | OuiD: thanks |
| 21:52.49 | Vasistha | sahal: good luck, and welcome to debian! |
| 21:52.50 | chops | Hmm... looks like the d-i factoid should be updated to know about 4.0r1 |
| 21:53.45 | dondelelcaro | wAndyw78: no, you just need a vncserver. |
| 21:53.57 | sahal | Vasistha: thanks <3 |
| 21:54.11 | sahal | Vasistha: i'll report back to you asap |
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| 21:54.50 | wAndyw78 | dondelecaro: I want to use vino. But will gnome install without X-server? |
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| 21:55.22 | diafic | WHAT THE FU.. |
| 21:55.26 | diafic | I installed a box |
| 21:55.29 | diafic | upgraded to 2.6.21 |
| 21:55.44 | diafic | and when I start 2.6.21 it claims hdb1 doesn't exist |
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| 21:55.49 | diafic | whereas 2.6.18 starts fine |
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| 21:56.40 | stew | diafic: you probably are using libata under 2.6.21 and it is switching to /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something, i'd recommend using volume labels or uuids to refer to the partitions instead of device names |
| 21:56.50 | diafic | arrgh |
| 21:56.52 | diafic | ARRGH |
| 21:56.54 | diafic | ARRRRRRRR |
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| 21:56.55 | diafic | D: |
| 21:57.49 | wAndyw78 | I resume: I can install vino, remove xorg and left gnome. So i can use any vnc client and use gnome on this machine |
| 21:58.11 | wAndyw78 | diafic: tried to change the boot setting in grub? |
| 21:59.38 | Spiritus55 | I am looking through synaptic and will mark programs for complete removal but then it says (other packages must be removed) and in the list it shows gnome-desktop-environment. If I delete that package, would it also take away my x window server? |
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| 22:00.26 | diafic | wAndyw78, neh |
| 22:00.34 | diafic | keeping 2.6.18 |
| 22:00.41 | diafic | I didn't want to upgrade it anyway |
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| 22:01.32 | Ursinha | hi all |
| 22:01.43 | Ursinha | does anybody here uses debootstrap? |
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| 22:02.26 | Ursinha | i'm trying to find out if i can run it as a regular user, not root |
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| 22:03.22 | OuiD | Ursinha: should work |
| 22:03.40 | gni | puuuuute ^^ |
| 22:03.45 | TheCamP | :) |
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| 22:05.35 | TheCamP | prisk ^^ |
| 22:05.47 | prisk | uép |
| 22:05.48 | prisk | :° |
| 22:05.53 | atog | can someone tell me how to build a package for NVidia's driver that is compiled against my custom kernel? |
| 22:05.56 | TheCamP | elle dort ^^^ |
| 22:06.34 | prisk | ou se refait une touche de maquillage |
| 22:06.38 | TheCamP | :) |
| 22:06.42 | TheCamP | gni ? |
| 22:06.48 | prisk | j'ai pas la liste des utilisateurs saoule :x |
| 22:07.00 | Vasistha | !fr |
| 22:07.00 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org or irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:07.22 | TheCamP | ok :) |
| 22:07.34 | Spiritus55 | I am looking through synaptic and will mark programs for complete removal but then it says (other packages must be removed) and in the list it shows gnome-desktop-environment. If I delete that package, would it also take away my x window server? |
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| 22:08.25 | networkgamer | i need some help with partitions in debian |
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| 22:08.36 | Vasistha | Spiritus55: you can, e.g., run kde and not gnome - thus it shouldn't remove the x window server. But perhaps you should refine your question a bit? |
| 22:08.40 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 22:08.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:08.48 | Vasistha | networkgamer: ^^^ |
| 22:08.54 | networkgamer | how can i combine 2 partitions |
| 22:09.00 | networkgamer | both are ntfs |
| 22:09.15 | networkgamer | wel fdisk says their both ntfs anyway |
| 22:09.22 | networkgamer | windows says one is fat32 |
| 22:10.04 | amphi | networkgamer: file -s /dev/whatever will tell you what fs is on them |
| 22:10.07 | Spiritus55 | vasistha: I am removing packages and it says packages to also be removed "gnome-desktop" or something like that; if I am to remove this, would I be able to run GNOME? Or is that the essential package for GNOME's x server? |
| 22:10.18 | networkgamer | well i did fdisk /dev/hda |
| 22:10.22 | networkgamer | and typed p |
| 22:10.28 | networkgamer | and it says both are ntfs |
| 22:10.38 | networkgamer | or hpfs |
| 22:11.06 | Vasistha | Spiritus55: if you want to run gnome, you probably do not want to remove gnome-desktop |
| 22:11.23 | Vasistha | Spiritus55: although I run KDE, and I don't really keep track of all the dependencies and what all the packages do |
| 22:11.37 | Spiritus55 | Alright. |
| 22:11.38 | Spiritus55 | Thanks. |
| 22:12.12 | networkgamer | well what can I do to combine partitions? |
| 22:12.16 | chops | networkgamer: fdisk's indication of filesystem types is not necessarily reliable |
| 22:12.23 | networkgamer | ok |
| 22:12.32 | chops | networkgamer: You would have to make a new partition and move all the data from both the old ones onto the new one |
| 22:12.36 | chops | networkgamer: It's not at all trivial |
| 22:12.48 | networkgamer | oh... |
| 22:12.56 | networkgamer | well my problem is... |
| 22:13.03 | networkgamer | in windows i need visual studio express |
| 22:13.13 | networkgamer | and i dont have enough room to install it |
| 22:13.26 | networkgamer | but i would if i could combine partitions cause i have a straight data partition |
| 22:13.40 | chops | networkgamer: Can you not just install it to the other partition? |
| 22:13.53 | networkgamer | i tried but it wont let me |
| 22:13.57 | dakoo | if i see lilo config in /etc and grub in /boot, how would i know which boot loader my machine uses without rebooting? |
| 22:13.58 | OuiD | I have gnome but removed gnome-desktop , its a metapackage |
| 22:14.30 | chops | networkgamer: You could move some stuff from the system partition to the data partition, then... honestly this is probably better directed at a Windows-centric support channel, though. |
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| 22:14.47 | networkgamer | well thats the thing... |
| 22:14.51 | networkgamer | its a really old laptop |
| 22:14.56 | networkgamer | with only a 12gb hdd |
| 22:15.02 | networkgamer | and i have 3 partitions |
| 22:15.10 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 22:15.10 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 22:15.29 | chops | networkgamer: It sounds like your system was not configured correctly :-( |
| 22:15.42 | blizz | how do i install individual etch-backports packages? |
| 22:15.46 | networkgamer | one 2.79gb partition for windows,one 4gb one for linux,and a 4gb data partition |
| 22:15.58 | networkgamer | roughly |
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| 22:16.54 | networkgamer | and the windows partition only has like 200mb left |
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| 22:17.33 | chops | networkgamer: You could back up the data partition somewhere, use some tool or other (does parted handle ntfs now?) to grow the Windows partition over the data partition, and then restore the data from backup |
| 22:17.57 | networkgamer | well iu dont care about the data thats on hte data partition |
| 22:17.59 | chops | networkgamer: It depends on the layout of the partitions. You might have to blow away or move the Linux partition in order to combine the Windows and data ones. |
| 22:18.10 | chops | networkgamer: Oh, then forget the part about the backups :-) |
| 22:18.12 | networkgamer | oh... |
| 22:18.20 | Vasistha | how do I identify things like region code and ntsc vs. pal on a dvd? I guess I'm looking for a cli tool |
| 22:18.27 | networkgamer | its only got a few stuff that i transfered from my tower |
| 22:18.54 | networkgamer | and logically its the windows,linux,then data partition |
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| 22:19.20 | networkgamer | as long as i can keep my linux setup without wiping/backing up stuff im cool |
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| 22:19.37 | networkgamer | and the windows install is relatively new |
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| 22:19.54 | chops | networkgamer: Yeah, you'll have to move or blow away the Linux partition then. Delete the data partition, move the Linux partition to the end of the disk, grow the Windows partition and filesystem. Be careful. Make backups of everything before you start. parted might work or it might not. Good luck! |
| 22:19.57 | networkgamer | i have the disc and can install it if need be |
| 22:20.12 | networkgamer | well... |
| 22:20.18 | networkgamer | i have nothing to back up to |
| 22:20.26 | networkgamer | unless network works |
| 22:20.32 | karmatronic | networkgamer: get rid of the win32 partition |
| 22:20.35 | Vasistha | erm, I thought it was the linux he wanted to save -- so the better way to go would be to delete windows and move around the linux partitions with parted |
| 22:20.47 | karmatronic | networkgamer: dual boot suck anyway |
| 22:21.01 | networkgamer | well i would single boot linux but my school warned me about that |
| 22:21.04 | Ursinha | OuiD, should work how? |
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| 22:21.10 | john666 | school ? |
| 22:21.13 | rypt | best solution, dont use windows at all, or go complain to microsoft that thier os does not support different filesystems |
| 22:21.14 | networkgamer | my school will only let me use my laptop their if it has windows or mac |
| 22:21.27 | john666 | hahahah |
| 22:21.31 | rypt | rofl |
| 22:21.32 | john666 | that is pathetic |
| 22:21.35 | networkgamer | yeah |
| 22:21.35 | karmatronic | networkgamer: your school warned you about using a safer OS , that s rude... |
| 22:21.43 | networkgamer | i know |
| 22:21.47 | john666 | do they check you? |
| 22:21.47 | rypt | linux is close enough to mac >_> ;p |
| 22:21.52 | JordiGH | networkgamer: Huh? How would they know if you were running Debian? |
| 22:22.01 | john666 | maybe take a peek |
| 22:22.03 | networkgamer | they look around |
| 22:22.10 | JordiGH | rypt: Without a FHS? I beg to differ. |
| 22:22.14 | karmatronic | networkgamer: yeah , just install xfce ,it really looks like mac os x |
| 22:22.23 | networkgamer | i have xfce4 |
| 22:22.30 | networkgamer | but i tried it and they hate it |
| 22:22.42 | karmatronic | i like xfce |
| 22:22.46 | networkgamer | and besides they do the developing classes with visual studio |
| 22:22.48 | karmatronic | although i stick to gnome |
| 22:22.53 | JordiGH | networkgamer: Make KDE look like MacOS X: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghira |
| 22:23.07 | networkgamer | and unless linux can use the developing studios files/emulate it,then im stuck with iwndows for it |
| 22:23.11 | karmatronic | networkgamer: visual studio sucks so much.... |
| 22:23.11 | rypt | JordiGH, i have os x probably more than the next guy, but for the school linux should be close enough to osx really |
| 22:23.18 | networkgamer | i hate it too |
| 22:23.23 | karmatronic | networkgamer: but anjuta is not really intuitive too |
| 22:23.25 | john666 | who can help me with a lame problem? I compiled a custom kernel, everything went fine then at boot it cant mount root partition |
| 22:23.37 | rypt | kdevelop ftw ;p |
| 22:23.38 | karmatronic | and since i cant stand kde (so kdevellp) either .... |
| 22:23.39 | JordiGH | networkgamer: Refuse, resist: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/KDE_MACOSX.png |
| 22:23.45 | OuiD | Ursinha: i dont see why debboostrap wouldd need root privileges |
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| 22:24.04 | karmatronic | JordiGH: sepultura ? |
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| 22:24.11 | networkgamer | believe me ive tried |
| 22:24.18 | networkgamer | but they want windows on it |
| 22:24.19 | JordiGH | karmatronic: Yeah. :P |
| 22:24.34 | Ursinha | OuiD, i'm trying to run it but it asks for root previleges |
| 22:24.34 | networkgamer | cause for some reason mac os on a pc is "unethical" or something |
| 22:24.35 | karmatronic | john666: so what does it have to do with lame ? |
| 22:24.37 | JordiGH | networkgamer: The school is regulating the software you use on *your own damn box*? |
| 22:24.39 | Ursinha | privileges |
| 22:24.41 | valdyn | OuiD: it needs to create files owned by root |
| 22:24.44 | networkgamer | yeah |
| 22:24.53 | networkgamer | well not really regulating |
| 22:24.56 | JordiGH | networkgamer: And how would they know if you used the Baghira theme in KDE? |
| 22:25.04 | john666 | karmatronic: I trying few downloaded kernel images and few that i compiled myself. |
| 22:25.13 | networkgamer | if its made on linux in a "proprietary" software they wont accept it |
| 22:25.20 | anomic | xorg complains about the nvidia module not existing. nvidia_drv.0 is in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/. is this correct? if not, where should it be? |
| 22:25.22 | rypt | lol |
| 22:25.26 | rypt | get a better school |
| 22:25.27 | john666 | karmatronic: not a single one worked |
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| 22:25.41 | valdyn | anomic: .0 is a wrong filename |
| 22:25.42 | JordiGH | networkgamer: Wait, what's that about proprietary? |
| 22:25.43 | karmatronic | john666: you probably need an initrd image |
| 22:25.48 | networkgamer | i would but my school is the best place for technology in my district |
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| 22:25.53 | anomic | valdyn: .o, sorry |
| 22:25.55 | Ursinha | valdyn, so, you know how to run it as normal user? |
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| 22:25.58 | john666 | karmatronic: what do you mean? |
| 22:26.06 | networkgamer | if its not mac or windows compatible with official software its "proprietary" |
| 22:26.15 | valdyn | Ursinha: you cant bootstrap debian without root |
| 22:26.17 | karmatronic | john666: if you get kernel panic after booting a new kernel |
| 22:26.19 | valdyn | Ursinha: its not possible |
| 22:26.25 | Ursinha | valdyn, hm... |
| 22:26.30 | ks | how do I install thing in debian if apt get not available ? |
| 22:26.35 | JordiGH | networkgamer: Wtf. Wave a dictionary at them and teach them the meaning of "proprietary". |
| 22:26.41 | Ursinha | okay, valdyn, thanks |
| 22:26.45 | rypt | ks from source? :P |
| 22:26.47 | JordiGH | ks: What is it? |
| 22:26.47 | networkgamer | i would |
| 22:26.51 | streuner | ks: /msg dpkg ig |
| 22:26.52 | networkgamer | but its their rules |
| 22:26.53 | karmatronic | john666: it s probably because the kernel doesnt find a necessary module |
| 22:26.58 | anomic | valdyn: nvidia_drv.o is in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers. is this right? |
| 22:26.59 | networkgamer | and theres not much I can do |
| 22:27.03 | john666 | karmatronic: yes, i got that one time; the other times it went to mount root and couldnt. |
| 22:27.08 | karmatronic | john666: in most cases , the module with your chipset |
| 22:27.15 | JordiGH | streuner: Oh, is that ig thing new? First time I see it referenced. |
| 22:27.25 | karmatronic | john666: do you have an scsi chipset ? |
| 22:27.28 | valdyn | Ursinha: think a second for yourself. A debian system obviously needs root owned files, a user being able to create root owned files would give a completely insecure system |
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| 22:27.35 | OuiD | Ursinha: yeah forgot this detail :) and with fakeroot maybe? |
| 22:27.38 | linux_jones | so in gnome alt+ f# doesnt switch workspaces? |
| 22:27.39 | streuner | !factinfo ig |
| 22:27.40 | dpkg | ig -- last modified at Sun Apr 8 17:16:30 2007 by enouf!n=stompthe@ool-44c66c29.dyn.optonline.net; it has been requested 173 times, last by JordiGH, 43s ago. |
| 22:27.46 | john666 | karmatronic: dont know. but i have scsi hard drive |
| 22:27.47 | ks | streuner thanks |
| 22:27.50 | JordiGH | stray: I guess it isn't. |
| 22:27.58 | streuner | JordiGH: its pretty old |
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| 22:28.04 | networkgamer | but anyway gparted is the software Im looking for? |
| 22:28.08 | john666 | karmatronic: a side note; the default debian kernel worked almost fine |
| 22:28.12 | valdyn | OuiD: fakeroot is a hack for tar to create root owned files _inside_ a tar archive, nothing else |
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| 22:28.20 | Ursinha | valdyn, i thought about all that, but thought that in a chrooted system maybe i could use such a think as fakeroot |
| 22:28.30 | valdyn | OuiD: ( or any archive ) |
| 22:28.35 | karmatronic | john666: boot with default kernel , run a lsmod and analyse the modules listed |
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| 22:28.51 | karmatronic | john666: you ll probably find one about your scsci chipset |
| 22:28.53 | anomic | valdyn: so, what should i do? |
| 22:29.15 | john666 | karmatronic: do i have to answer all those questions when compiling a kernel? |
| 22:29.17 | karmatronic | john666: this is the one you ll need to include later on in your initrd image |
| 22:29.32 | ks | why ll isn't setup ? do I need to source something or setup aliases manually ? |
| 22:29.35 | JordiGH | streuner: Wait, that isn't an installation guide for how to install stuff that isn't in Debian, is it? |
| 22:29.38 | networkgamer | so heres my plan:wipe the windows partition,move linux partition back,install windows on empty disk space |
| 22:29.40 | valdyn | anomic: i dont know your real error, there's an nvidia kernel modules and what you mentioned |
| 22:29.43 | karmatronic | john666: my technique is to begin with a minimal config file , and then fill the gaps i need |
| 22:29.52 | valdyn | anomic: maybe you miss the kernel module... |
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| 22:29.59 | john666 | karmatronic: well, im just tired of doing it all over again, thats all. |
| 22:30.04 | streuner | JordiGH: NO, only to install Debian ;-) |
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| 22:30.12 | karmatronic | john666: run make menuconfig to have an interface instead of having to answer to questions |
| 22:30.14 | JordiGH | streuner: So it doesn't answer ks's question. |
| 22:30.24 | streuner | JordiGH: of course |
| 22:30.27 | JordiGH | ks: What do you want to install that isn't in Debian? |
| 22:30.28 | anomic | valdyn: i have nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-5-k7... |
| 22:30.30 | john666 | karmatronic: when i did that, i still had to answer some questions afterwards |
| 22:30.56 | streuner | JordiGH: if someone doesnt have apt or dpkg, s(he) need to install Debian first :-) |
| 22:31.01 | valdyn | anomic: "modprobe nvidia" gives what? |
| 22:31.06 | john666 | whats with the nvidia kernel? |
| 22:31.16 | john666 | is it for nvidia motherboards? |
| 22:31.29 | valdyn | john666: there's no nvidia kernel |
| 22:31.47 | john666 | valdyn: i had one name nvidia...something |
| 22:31.53 | JordiGH | john666: No, it's the nvidia blob that goes in kernel space, presumably. |
| 22:32.05 | john666 | that one didnt work either |
| 22:32.09 | JordiGH | john666: Nasty, nasty blobses. We hatessss it my precios, we do. |
| 22:32.15 | valdyn | john666: you're so confused, a kernel isnt named nvidia |
| 22:32.34 | john666 | valdyn: i had a kernel whose name started with nvidia |
| 22:32.38 | JordiGH | valdyn: There's a package, part of the nvidia kernel, that goes into kernel space. |
| 22:32.39 | anomic | valdyn: "NVRM: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 Kernel Module 1.0-8776" followed by the present time and date |
| 22:32.48 | valdyn | JordiGH: a kernel module |
| 22:32.49 | JordiGH | valdyn: Er, part of the nvidia blob. |
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| 22:33.19 | valdyn | anomic: did you use the installer from nvidia.com? |
| 22:33.30 | anomic | no. i used packages. |
| 22:33.48 | john666 | this xchat aint bad at all |
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| 22:34.19 | valdyn | anomic: aptitude reinstall nvidia-glx |
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| 22:34.56 | kalve | What is the best way to rename a debian system? |
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| 22:35.28 | anomic | valdyn: no change |
| 22:35.35 | networkgamer | in gparted can i unmount the root drive with linux installed,move it,then mount it again while in linux? |
| 22:35.46 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 22:35.46 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 22:36.04 | _gpg_ | hello |
| 22:36.12 | networkgamer | would that work? |
| 22:36.19 | kalve | thanks, jelly-home |
| 22:36.23 | _gpg_ | i've just installed debian (testing) and kde desktop. |
| 22:36.30 | valdyn | anomic: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel | tail -1", paste output here |
| 22:36.46 | JordiGH | Hm, can a machine exist without a hostname? |
| 22:36.56 | valdyn | anomic: "dpkg -l | grep nvidia-glx | tail -1" paste also here |
| 22:36.56 | jelly-home | kalve: your apps may have embedded hostname and/or domainname elsewhere in /etc, I'd grep for it. |
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| 22:37.11 | _gpg_ | every time i run gtk based application it doesnt take the look of the default desktop style (exmple http://www.hostdump.com/uploads/86d16ac61c.png) |
| 22:37.16 | _gpg_ | can any one help me please ? |
| 22:37.19 | anomic | valdyn: nvidia-kernel-source 1.0.8776-4 |
| 22:37.29 | spx2 | can I change password for a ftp account with ftp client from konsole ? |
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| 22:37.35 | networkgamer | in gparted can i unmount the root drive with linux installed,move it,then mount it again while in linux? |
| 22:37.50 | john666 | dont think so |
| 22:37.51 | spx2 | networkgamer: I doubt that |
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| 22:37.58 | networkgamer | damn... |
| 22:38.14 | john666 | you could do it off a live/boot/install CD |
| 22:38.16 | jelly-home | networkgamer: not easily, no. boot a livecd (gparted has one) |
| 22:38.17 | CBG` | "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" Thank god for that! |
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| 22:39.03 | networkgamer | ok |
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| 22:39.53 | john666 | how can i make a kernel compilation config with all yes? it seems that make allyesconfig doesnt work as expected |
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| 22:40.26 | valdyn | john666: that's stupid |
| 22:40.32 | TrueDD | re |
| 22:40.35 | JoshH | try make randconfig |
| 22:40.35 | john666 | valdyn: explain |
| 22:40.36 | valdyn | john666: why would you do an allyesconfig? |
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| 22:40.55 | valdyn | john666: because that configuration is not meant to be used on a live system |
| 22:40.59 | john666 | valdyn: because im sick of compiling the kernel |
| 22:41.17 | john666 | valdyn: well i dont care, i just want to get the machine working |
| 22:41.19 | valdyn | john666: so use a debian kernel, allyes is never useful except for debugging certain things |
| 22:41.19 | JordiGH | Why are we compiling a kernel again? |
| 22:41.44 | deconvolution | hi, under a terminal I was editing a txt file with emacs but such terminal is locked. Is there anyway to use another terminal to replace that locked one without killed the emacs sessions (since I might lost the contents)? |
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| 22:41.47 | john666 | JordiGH: because the standard one that comes with the installation doesnt have some drivers |
| 22:41.54 | ks | how do install fuse module ? do I need to coompile it from source ? |
| 22:42.06 | anomic | valdyn: i'm stumped, dude. do you have any other ideas? |
| 22:42.07 | at0miku | I used ipmasq to set up the iptables, but when I do "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 50994 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.20:50994" it doesnt seem to be forwarding |
| 22:42.18 | ks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:42.29 | valdyn | john666: maybe its to old, debian includes about all drivers |
| 22:42.54 | john666 | valdyn: i downloaded the 3 DVD's a week ago from debian official web site |
| 22:43.10 | valdyn | john666: and that is supposed to mean what? |
| 22:43.21 | valdyn | john666: downloading old stuff wont make it new if you download it today |
| 22:43.35 | john666 | valdyn: where can i find new stuff? |
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| 22:43.50 | valdyn | john666: etch isn't that old, but obviously to old for hardware released after it |
| 22:43.53 | valdyn | !etch |
| 22:43.58 | anomic | valdyn: do i stand a better chance getting nvidia running on etch, lenny or sid? |
| 22:43.59 | at0miku | Figured it out :) |
| 22:43.59 | at0miku | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 22:44.20 | john666 | !lenny |
| 22:44.22 | at0miku | Oh but it seems its still not working |
| 22:44.24 | valdyn | anomic: no idea, switching distro to get it running is certainly the hardest way |
| 22:44.25 | john666 | is the bot dead? |
| 22:44.39 | valdyn | john666: at backports.org |
| 22:44.40 | anomic | valdyn: this is a fresh install, so it's not that big a hassle |
| 22:44.46 | anomic | i just want to get this fucker working :( |
| 22:44.53 | john666 | anomic: are you using a laptop? |
| 22:45.09 | anomic | no. it's a media centre, connected to a tv |
| 22:45.09 | spx2 | can I change password for a ftp account with ftp client from konsole ? |
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| 22:45.18 | Romeo- | *j openbsd |
| 22:45.30 | diafic | !beer me |
| 22:45.31 | JordiGH | spx2: No. You need shell access, not ftp access, in order to change a password. |
| 22:45.33 | valdyn | anomic: i have to go.. nvidia should work on etch just fine. I dont know yet why your module is supposed to be missing. Defenitely that is not because of etch |
| 22:45.36 | diafic | john666, yep. |
| 22:45.47 | spx2 | JordiGH: ok great |
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| 22:46.03 | anomic | valdyn: everything is installed from packages, yet some file is missing |
| 22:46.16 | anomic | i'd wager that there's something wrong somewhere... |
| 22:46.20 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of debian stable |
| 22:46.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. Lenny is the binoculars. ask me about <etch->lenny> |
| 22:46.36 | diafic | YAY! |
| 22:46.39 | diafic | ITS ALIVE |
| 22:46.43 | diafic | just lagging. Badl. |
| 22:46.49 | michael____ | I have a question guys......Can someone have both desktop environment {KDE & Gnome} installed on a single linux distro {eg ubunto} and access either of them by simply switchin sessions? |
| 22:46.52 | JordiGH | dpkg, hi! |
| 22:46.52 | dpkg | hi |
| 22:46.57 | diafic | michael____, yep. |
| 22:47.01 | JordiGH | michael____: Yes, of course. |
| 22:47.08 | michael____ | oh |
| 22:47.10 | michael____ | fo real |
| 22:47.17 | JordiGH | michael____: fo real, yo. |
| 22:47.19 | anomic | you can have a dozen different window managers installed |
| 22:47.19 | diafic | michael____, thats a big puddle there. Something you want to tell us about? |
| 22:47.21 | anomic | and more! |
| 22:47.29 | at0miku | How do I add something at top of iptables? |
| 22:47.36 | at0miku | *iptables chain |
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| 22:47.51 | michael____ | i always thought that you can only have one of em installed....cause of conflicts and such |
| 22:48.00 | diafic | michael____, nope |
| 22:48.04 | anomic | you were wrong |
| 22:48.15 | OuiD | you can even run both at the same time |
| 22:48.19 | ks | can I downgrade gcc from 4.1 to 4.0 somehow ? |
| 22:48.21 | michael____ | oh deng ....well i learnt somethin |
| 22:48.26 | john666 | so etch is stable, lenny is unstable and sid is testing version of debian? |
| 22:48.28 | anomic | ks: remove, install? |
| 22:48.40 | anomic | john666: lenny is testing |
| 22:48.42 | ks | anomic it install 4.1 |
| 22:48.49 | ks | it installs |
| 22:48.54 | anomic | ks: oh :( |
| 22:49.02 | anomic | i thought it was a distro thing |
| 22:49.08 | ks | apt-get install gcc |
| 22:49.23 | anomic | get the .deb manually from the internets? |
| 22:49.44 | JordiGH | michael____: Conflicts between packages do happen, but they're relatively rare. The great thing about these holy wars is that you can choose whatever you want. :-) |
| 22:50.15 | anomic | JordiGH: my opinion, whatever it may be at any given time, is still the objective truth, tho |
| 22:50.42 | JordiGH | anomic: Yeah. And Emacs rules. |
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| 22:50.48 | anomic | no way |
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| 22:51.02 | anomic | all the cool people use vim |
| 22:51.08 | dondelelcaro | I think you mean a truth to which we all object. |
| 22:51.14 | michael____ | oh ok thanks alot for the info |
| 22:51.31 | anomic | michael____: don't forget. people who use KDE get picked on at school |
| 22:51.55 | JordiGH | anomic: Watch it buddy. Or I'll have Konqui blow fire on your ass. |
| 22:52.05 | jelly-home | anomic: for being nerds. |
| 22:52.39 | michael____ | anomic: so which is the best desktop enviro. to run on linux? |
| 22:52.52 | JordiGH | michael____: What's the best religion to follow? |
| 22:53.00 | john666 | JordiGH: none ^^ |
| 22:53.13 | stew | michael____: the best is whichever one you like the best after trying a few |
| 22:53.22 | JordiGH | michael____: john666 suggests you use nothing but the pure, pristine shell, it seems. |
| 22:53.56 | john666 | michael____: i guess im for KDE but thats just cause i started using it first but gnome has some cool features |
| 22:54.20 | spx2 | anomic: huh ? |
| 22:54.26 | JordiGH | Gnome is looking a lot prettier since the Sawfish days. |
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| 22:55.21 | anomic | john666 is correct. the answer is none. |
| 22:55.22 | anomic | text 4 lyfe |
| 22:55.35 | john666 | can someone explain to me what this is http://backports.org/debian/pool/contrib/n/nvidia-kernel-common/ |
| 22:55.58 | JordiGH | john666: Were you compiling a kernel just to get the nvidia blob working? |
| 22:56.02 | valdyn | john666: apt-cache show nvidia-kernel-common |
| 22:56.16 | Caelum | why is the hplip in debian so old... |
| 22:56.26 | JordiGH | !info hplip |
| 22:56.28 | dpkg | hplip: (HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP)), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.6.10-4.1 (sid), Packaged size: 549 kB, Installed size: 2448 kB |
| 22:56.29 | john666 | JordiGH: i dont even know what that blob is used for? |
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| 22:56.42 | JordiGH | john666: For 3d accel with nvidia cards. |
| 22:56.51 | john666 | JordiGH: yes, i need that one |
| 22:56.54 | JordiGH | Caelum: 1.6.10 is old? |
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| 22:57.13 | JordiGH | john666: Well, you don't need to compile a kernel for 3d accel with nvidia. What else was missing from the Debian kernel which required a compilation? |
| 22:57.31 | john666 | JordiGH: ethernet driver and cdrom driver |
| 22:57.43 | JordiGH | john666: In etch? |
| 22:57.48 | Caelum | JordiGH: yeah... they're up to 2.7.7 |
| 22:57.51 | john666 | JordiGH: Yes. |
| 22:58.00 | michael____ | well i did start off usin kde as well but i am understandin shell more and lovin it......i did try gnome but haven't really understand it in details just skim through it.... |
| 22:58.01 | JordiGH | john666: Oh, right. We established that you had hardware that came out after etch. |
| 22:58.20 | JordiGH | michael____: There's very little to understand about Gnome in order to use it. |
| 22:58.40 | JordiGH | Caelum: File a bug, then. And check to see if there isn't already a bug report nagging the package maintainer to package a newer version. |
| 22:58.58 | JordiGH | Caelum: So your answer is, "it's old because nobody has packaged a newer version yet". |
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| 22:59.03 | john666 | JordiGH: So, what do you suggest? |
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| 22:59.18 | michael____ | yeah...i find the interface a bit plain...some what dead just right after installation |
| 22:59.20 | Codenut | Can Ubuntu go on a 400Mhz laptop with 256 meg of ram |
| 22:59.27 | Caelum | JordiGH: yeah I know, I was just whining :) |
| 22:59.31 | dondelelcaro | Codenut: #ubuntu is who you want to ask. |
| 22:59.34 | JordiGH | Codenut: Don't know. Ask in #ubuntu. |
| 22:59.51 | Codenut | thanks |
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| 23:00.02 | JordiGH | Caelum: Seriously, see about filing that bug. Let's hope it's not an orphaned package. |
| 23:00.10 | CBG` | Hey, I am trying to install Debian alongside OS X on my ibook. Will a 5 GB partition be enough for the debian install? At least for the OS, right? |
| 23:00.28 | JordiGH | CBG`: It's a little tight if you install a lot of packages, but it's sufficient, yes. |
| 23:00.30 | dondelelcaro | CBG`: depends on what you're going to do with it |
| 23:00.58 | CBG` | I'm gonna try to install ET:QW under Wine... :) |
| 23:01.07 | CBG` | Other than that... just play around with it I guess. |
| 23:01.12 | valdyn | CBG`: easily sufficient |
| 23:01.20 | john666 | hahaha |
| 23:01.30 | CBG` | Ok, thanks guys. |
| 23:01.56 | CBG` | I'd give it more gigs but the HD is only 30GB and I'm using about 22-23 GB already :o |
| 23:02.09 | at0miku | Decent console torrent app? |
| 23:02.15 | stew | at0miku: rtorrent |
| 23:02.19 | at0miku | I tried bittorrent and bittornado but I cant seem to launch them |
| 23:02.22 | at0miku | Alright stew, thanks |
| 23:02.43 | linux_jones | how do i add color to terminal for root? |
| 23:02.53 | michael____ | JoriGH: i find my gtk apps look kinda square and plus the iceweasel interface scroll bar is somewhat not lookin right when i use it...its like its leavin a piece of behind...do you think that is a problem? |
| 23:02.53 | stew | at0miku: btdownloadcurses or btdownloadmanycurses is the command for bottorrent or bittornade on the console |
| 23:03.06 | stew | at0miku: though rtorrent is superior to both |
| 23:03.10 | valdyn | at0miku: they are launched like "btdownloadcurses file.torrent" |
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| 23:03.30 | at0miku | Ahh |
| 23:03.33 | michael____ | JoriGH: and if it is a problem what packages do you think i should get to fix the problem |
| 23:03.33 | at0miku | I see :o |
| 23:03.43 | michael____ | JoriGH: ? |
| 23:03.44 | at0miku | Thanks valdyn, stew |
| 23:03.44 | john666 | where can i find a somewhat new kernel packaged in .deb format ? |
| 23:03.55 | at0miku | What would I do without you guys eh :( |
| 23:03.59 | valdyn | john666: at backports.org, i already told you |
| 23:04.04 | john666 | ok ok |
| 23:04.17 | DustyDingo | hi, i have some problems with the current xorg update |
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| 23:04.36 | valdyn | !bts |
| 23:04.36 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 23:05.05 | john666 | whats the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 23:05.15 | DustyDingo | i got fglrx running for some days now and when i want to do an upgrade, apt want to remove the fglrx driver and install _all_ xserver-xorg-video* packages |
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| 23:05.43 | DustyDingo | is there a way to maintain the fglrx drivers? |
| 23:06.06 | DustyDingo | and prevent the installation of all therse unecessary video drivers? |
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| 23:06.45 | valdyn | DustyDingo: waste of time, they dont take much space |
| 23:06.58 | dalias | yeah they're some of the smallest things on your system |
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| 23:07.10 | dalias | unnecessary gnome library crap is a much bigger waste of space |
| 23:07.23 | DustyDingo | valdyn: yes, but i want to maintain the fglrx drivers, thats the real problem |
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| 23:07.56 | DustyDingo | i had the xorg 2d drivers installed too, but removing them doesn't help |
| 23:08.01 | silent[ca] | i love it when people leave their wireless routers unsecure... nothing like torrenting at a bus stop |
| 23:08.10 | DustyDingo | s/upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 23:08.31 | dalias | silent[ca], :) :) |
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| 23:09.43 | DustyDingo | silent[ca]: stupid people punished enough though, you don't have to raise there bills |
| 23:09.53 | DustyDingo | *+are |
| 23:09.54 | stew | DustyDingo: which chipset does your video card have? |
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| 23:10.48 | DustyDingo | its an ATI Mobility Radeon X1300 |
| 23:10.54 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 23:11.00 | JordiGH | Aren't those covered by the radeon driver? |
| 23:11.14 | JordiGH | i.e. no fglrx |
| 23:11.16 | DustyDingo | stew: i willl do an upgrade now, the xorg packages are kept back, which cause the conflicts and remove the fglrx drivers |
| 23:11.30 | DustyDingo | but i can't do a distupgrade by now |
| 23:11.42 | JordiGH | How can you figure out the exact chipset of these Radeon cards? |
| 23:12.07 | stew | JordiGH: they are covered by avivo which is still alpha or beta quality, but not by ati/radeon |
| 23:12.22 | stew | JordiGH: "man radeon" only goes up to x850 |
| 23:12.48 | JordiGH | stew: Oh, I see. This one is r540. :-/ |
| 23:12.57 | linux_jones | anyone know what XFree86-DRI is? |
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| 23:13.12 | JordiGH | linux_jones: direct rendering interface. |
| 23:13.29 | JordiGH | linux_jones: But why you're using Xfree86 instead of Xorg is anyone's guess. |
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| 23:13.37 | null | Hello |
| 23:13.40 | null | It's strange, but now, all my fonts like firefox are very little after reboot the machine, any idea how to fix it? or what's wrong? |
| 23:13.44 | lymeca | I need to start X11 with the -ignoreABI command line switch, and it works with the 'startx' command, but I want to pass that switch to gdm so I can log in to a normal username and choose my desktop environment |
| 23:13.52 | lymeca | How can I pass that switch to GDM? |
| 23:13.54 | gravity | blech |
| 23:14.01 | gravity | lymeca: That's almost always a bad idea |
| 23:14.07 | lymeca | What is? |
| 23:14.10 | gravity | -ignoreabi |
| 23:14.17 | lymeca | Well X11 won't run without it |
| 23:14.25 | JordiGH | null: Set monitor geometry in xorg.conf. It may also be a problem of KDE not using the right Gtk parameters. |
| 23:14.25 | lymeca | I upgraded to X.Org 7.3 |
| 23:14.28 | gravity | fglrx/nvidia-glx? |
| 23:14.42 | lymeca | And the nvidia drivers complain about the ABI being 2.0 |
| 23:14.56 | lymeca | startx -ignoreABI works |
| 23:14.57 | null | JordiGH: ok, I will try it now |
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| 23:15.00 | gravity | blech |
| 23:15.14 | lymeca | It just loads GNOME as root which is bad because I want KDE as lymeca |
| 23:15.20 | lymeca | gravity I know it's lame |
| 23:15.33 | lymeca | I hate proprietary drivers |
| 23:15.37 | lymeca | But I need X11 |
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| 23:15.58 | lymeca | Can I pass ignoreABI to GDM? |
| 23:16.08 | gravity | lymeca: man xorg.conf |
| 23:16.11 | gravity | I added that option |
| 23:16.21 | lymeca | You added which option? |
| 23:16.26 | gravity | lymeca: Make sure you remove it when it's not needed any more. It's really bad. |
| 23:16.34 | gravity | lymeca: IgnoreABI |
| 23:16.47 | CBG` | Hey, I just installed the base system from the netinst CD... Is there any chance I can connect to my wireless LAN now, or will I need to plug it into the 'net to download drivers for that? |
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| 23:17.32 | at0miku | Why does rtorrent say the torrent's status is "[CLOSED]"? I cant seem to start it with CTRL+S |
| 23:17.37 | linux_jones | JordiGH, i think thats part of an opengl error whenever i try to do fgl_glxgears, but im still very confused about what it is im trying to do here |
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| 23:18.44 | at0miku | Oh... Hmm... rtorrent seems to freeze when I do CTRL+S to start the torrent when using screen |
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| 23:18.45 | _gpg_ | hello |
| 23:18.54 | zzxc | Is it possible to use debootstrap from an installer cd rather than over the network? |
| 23:18.56 | _gpg_ | i hope some of you can help me |
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| 23:19.38 | _gpg_ | when i run any gtk based application on kde it looks like Motif style (regarledd wich kde style is uses) the same applications looks correctly under gnome |
| 23:19.42 | _gpg_ | can any one help me please |
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| 23:20.32 | JordiGH | _gpg_: Is gtk-qt-engine installed? |
| 23:20.40 | _gpg_ | JordiGH yes |
| 23:20.55 | abrotman | did you change the gtk theme ? |
| 23:20.57 | JordiGH | _gpg_: Is it enabled? :-) |
| 23:21.21 | _gpg_ | JordiGH dunno, how to check it ? |
| 23:21.30 | JordiGH | _gpg_: It has its entry in Kcontrol. |
| 23:21.59 | jetscreamer | isn't the gtk-qt for gtk showing qt and there is another package name that supplies qt showing gtk? (i forget but seems to me) |
| 23:22.13 | lymeca | gravity: Which section do I add it in? |
| 23:22.23 | lymeca | Option "IgnoreABI" |
| 23:22.28 | lymeca | I presume it's that line |
| 23:22.33 | lymeca | But in which section of xorg.conf? |
| 23:22.37 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:22.46 | jetscreamer | you pass startx -- -ignoreABI |
| 23:22.58 | lymeca | jetscreamer Yeah but I want gdm to load |
| 23:22.59 | jetscreamer | or is it either way? |
| 23:23.02 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:23.04 | jetscreamer | ok nm |
| 23:23.08 | lymeca | Running startx just plops me into GNOME as root |
| 23:23.12 | lymeca | Which is less than ideal |
| 23:23.23 | _gpg_ | ty all |
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| 23:23.55 | jetscreamer | i've determined how to get startx to load other stuff than gnome... i haven't got all the stuff down, configwise, but they load |
| 23:24.53 | lymeca | jetscreamer My primary problem is that X.Org 7.3 is incompatable with the nvidia drivers |
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| 23:25.00 | tomacco | wouldnt you want gnome to take care of running your other stuff? |
| 23:25.03 | anomic | so i'm trying to install nvidia drivers from the official package (from nvidia.com), and it whines about the gcc version not being the same as the package was made with. how do i fix this? |
| 23:25.03 | lymeca | That's an oversimplification |
| 23:25.06 | jetscreamer | lymeca: me too |
| 23:25.06 | lymeca | But it's a huge problem |
| 23:25.12 | lymeca | How'd you fix it? |
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| 23:25.25 | jetscreamer | works fine here with the... startx -- -ignoreABI |
| 23:25.33 | lymeca | aye |
| 23:25.35 | jetscreamer | i haven't stress tested it yet though |
| 23:25.41 | lymeca | That loads X11 fine for me as well |
| 23:25.45 | lymeca | But I want KDE |
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| 23:25.57 | lymeca | And I want to use it not as root |
| 23:26.19 | lymeca | I'm just going to add IgnoreABI into my xorg.conf for now |
| 23:26.26 | lymeca | I don't know which section though =/ |
| 23:26.26 | jetscreamer | log in as user and startkde ? |
| 23:26.38 | lymeca | startkde -- -ignoreABI |
| 23:26.39 | lymeca | ? |
| 23:26.43 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 23:27.14 | abrotman | jetscreamer: update for what ? |
| 23:27.24 | anomic | so i'm trying to install nvidia drivers from the official package (from nvidia.com), and it whines about the gcc version not being the same as the package was made with. how do i fix this? |
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| 23:27.57 | jetscreamer | lymeca: it 'should' be documented in there somewhere 'maybe' ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/xorg.conf.5.html |
| 23:27.58 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: no, gtk-qt-engine is for making Qt do the GTK rendering. |
| 23:28.09 | jetscreamer | abrotman: xorg in sid |
| 23:28.15 | abrotman | jetscreamer: to fix what ? |
| 23:28.51 | JordiGH | How can I tell cp to set different ownerships for the files it copies to? |
| 23:29.11 | lymeca | abrotman: X.Org 7.3 made it into sid and the proprietary nvidia drivers can't run with an X11 ABI version 2.0... they require an ABI less than 2.0 |
| 23:29.13 | jetscreamer | abrotman: it was a joke... but if you must know xserver-xorg-input-mouse did not either get installed, or upgraded, or whatever... i had to explicitly install it. |
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| 23:29.37 | abrotman | lymeca: i've seen rumors that there are new binary drivers for those shit cards .. that work with 7.3 |
| 23:29.43 | jetscreamer | but the nvidia not working is a thing for nvda to fix, not gravityxorg |
| 23:30.07 | jetscreamer | abrotman: my shit fx5200 is probably better than yours :) |
| 23:30.13 | jetscreamer | :p j/k |
| 23:30.25 | abrotman | jetscreamer: but my X doesn't break every time gravity uploads .. |
| 23:30.29 | jetscreamer | my 6600gt is gathering dust |
| 23:30.33 | jetscreamer | abrotman: neither does mine |
| 23:30.45 | abrotman | so --ignoreABI is for fun ? |
| 23:30.50 | jetscreamer | but hey i used win3.11 and w95 a lot... came up for dos |
| 23:31.01 | jetscreamer | it works fine, not broke |
| 23:31.02 | stew | i'm tempted to pin xorg from unstable, just to see how small my xorg.conf could get... but not THAT tempted |
| 23:31.04 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 23:31.22 | abrotman | no .. not broken .. just hacked to work .. |
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| 23:31.39 | jetscreamer | ok.. and your point is? :) |
| 23:31.45 | lymeca | abrotman I know I HATE my video card situation |
| 23:31.51 | abrotman | get a new one |
| 23:31.54 | jetscreamer | heh.. damn youngsters |
| 23:32.04 | lymeca | It's honestly the thing that breaks most often on my sid box |
| 23:32.13 | jetscreamer | when i was a kid, we had to wait 2weeks just for a driver update to download!!!! |
| 23:32.22 | jetscreamer | and code it in in asm!!! |
| 23:32.25 | lymeca | abrotman, yeah, which one? |
| 23:32.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: when you were a kid .. there were only four colors |
| 23:32.28 | lymeca | Intel? |
| 23:32.34 | jetscreamer | wrong |
| 23:32.37 | jetscreamer | there were 2 |
| 23:32.44 | lymeca | I would need to buy a new CPU and motherboard as well |
| 23:32.45 | abrotman | lymeca: the rumor is that they are doing discrete boards again |
| 23:32.45 | dkr | amber and off |
| 23:32.47 | lymeca | = too much $$ |
| 23:32.52 | lymeca | Yeah I know |
| 23:32.52 | jetscreamer | well you could choose between green amber and white |
| 23:32.56 | jetscreamer | ok 3 |
| 23:33.01 | lymeca | And then AMD just released documentation |
| 23:33.05 | protoloco | Hello |
| 23:33.07 | lymeca | So now it's everyone BUT nvidia |
| 23:33.18 | lymeca | as I see it anyway |
| 23:33.30 | abrotman | lymeca: and matrox |
| 23:33.34 | lymeca | Woohoo X11 starts |
| 23:33.37 | lymeca | No more BitchX |
| 23:33.44 | abrotman | i still don't think there are free drivers for the parhelia cards .. but not i'm not sure anyone cares |
| 23:33.44 | protoloco | apache generate files?? cuz if im not wrong.. is creating some files *.dat and i want them created as a 770... not 500... somebody knows where (umask) can i change that behavior ? |
| 23:33.53 | JordiGH | But ATI only released docs, right? Not source for drivers. It's still up to the community to write the drivers. :-/ |
| 23:34.01 | abrotman | which is better than nvidia |
| 23:34.02 | jetscreamer | afai am concerned, nvidia does a good enough job with their linux drivers... opensource would be nicer of course |
| 23:34.09 | jetscreamer | lymeca: irssi, not bitchx |
| 23:34.20 | dansushi[server] | is there anything else besides alsa that i can use to make sound work on my computer? i'm having issies with it- If you'd like to help, respond, but otherwise, are there any other programs? |
| 23:34.20 | stew | nvidia does provide opensource drivers :) |
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| 23:34.34 | jetscreamer | for rivas? |
| 23:34.40 | abrotman | gravity: there still aren't any drivers for parhelia(matrox chipset) other than the ones that matrox.com provides (and vesa) right ? |
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| 23:34.52 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: The nvidia blob is a bitch to setup if you have to do it for many different computers with slightly different parameters, or if you want to do fancy stuff like dual monitors. It also breaks with every X upgrade. |
| 23:35.07 | JordiGH | stew: Yeah, the 2d ones. :-( |
| 23:35.09 | dkr | stew: for 2D? :) |
| 23:35.21 | abrotman | http://sowerbutts.com/matrox/ |
| 23:35.22 | abrotman | eww |
| 23:35.41 | linux_jones | could anyone tell me what this mean? Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/fireglcontrol" ? |
| 23:36.13 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: there are kickass autodetection scripts.. kano of kanotix wrote a bunch that could be easily adapted imo... it shouldn't be that much of a hassle, if you just had to use nvidia. but hey if i was the it guy buying the hw i wouldn't go nvidia |
| 23:36.18 | swombat | anyone here have experience setting up an nginx http server with more than 1 vhost |
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| 23:36.44 | JordiGH | Er, how can I copy a directory structure including hidden files? |
| 23:36.48 | jetscreamer | hey stoned |
| 23:36.56 | jetscreamer | cp -a i think |
| 23:37.06 | jetscreamer | or just -R |
| 23:37.13 | jetscreamer | works afaict |
| 23:37.16 | jetscreamer | i forget |
| 23:37.23 | swombat | ach, nevermind, found a good example about it, for once! |
| 23:37.23 | stoned | hi |
| 23:37.24 | jetscreamer | !tell me about enter |
| 23:38.07 | stoned | I took my laptop in to work today to change the inverter. its still there. I'm having to use a vanilla irssi right now, and its pissing me off :( |
| 23:38.22 | stoned | I shoulda saved my config on my desktop |
| 23:38.38 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: Hm. Ok, that worked. Now, how do I chmod 644 for all files and 755 for all directories in a directory structure? |
| 23:38.51 | stoned | -R |
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| 23:39.17 | JordiGH | stoned: What, chmod 755? That's going to screw up the permissions on the files, that shouldn't be 755. |
| 23:39.48 | jetscreamer | you can direct chmod to modify only files, and only directories.. man chmod |
| 23:39.48 | stoned | oh |
| 23:39.51 | stoned | I misread |
| 23:40.13 | JordiGH | jetscreamer: I'm not seeing it in the manual... |
| 23:40.20 | abrotman | JordiGH: you use find and chmod |
| 23:40.36 | jetscreamer | abrotman is surely better at it than me |
| 23:40.43 | JordiGH | abrotman: Find, pipe it to xargs and chmod? |
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| 23:40.55 | abrotman | you can just use find and -exec or whatever itis |
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| 23:40.57 | abrotman | man find |
| 23:41.27 | abrotman | you can use find to grab just files or just directories .. and then feed that to chmod and change accordingly |
| 23:41.31 | jetscreamer | gravity: i need you to tell me how this works!!! ftp://x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/xorg.conf.5.html#toc8 -- Videoadaptor Section |
| 23:41.34 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 23:42.18 | stoned | !security |
| 23:42.19 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". , or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
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| 23:43.09 | JordiGH | sudo find -type f | xargs sudo chmod 755 * |
| 23:43.26 | JordiGH | Er, -type d for 755. |
| 23:44.01 | JordiGH | Y'know, it's kinda confusing that less (for man) has vim-like keys and info has Emacs-like keys. |
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| 23:44.20 | JordiGH | Or that less also has Emacs-like keys. |
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| 23:44.33 | abrotman | JordiGH: or that |
| 23:44.42 | stoned | strace is freaking awesome |
| 23:44.48 | abrotman | JordiGH: though you forgot a starting directory .. but whatever |
| 23:44.55 | stoned | whoever told me about that, thanks |
| 23:44.58 | JordiGH | abrotman: Isn't . the default? |
| 23:45.06 | abrotman | you shouldn't trust it |
| 23:45.12 | abrotman | for something like chmod with root |
| 23:45.14 | emc | hi! what's the best way to reset configurations of packages? i think my configs got messed up because i used different sources in /etc/sources.list |
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| 23:45.22 | linux_jones | how can i tell if i have a specific package installed? such as opengl |
| 23:45.29 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 23:45.29 | dpkg | Your /etc/apt/sources.list should have a line like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list in order to refresh your database. Also see <mirrors> <etch security> <testing security> and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 23:45.30 | Gm4n | dpkg -l |
| 23:45.34 | JordiGH | abrotman: Well, I ran the find command and saw its output befored I piped it. :-/ |
| 23:45.38 | Vasistha | linux_jones: dpkg -l 'opengl*' |
| 23:45.39 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 23:45.40 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 23:45.44 | abrotman | JordiGH: sure .. why not .. |
| 23:46.03 | lymeca_ | Hrm ok so now I have X11 working and I have two screens with screen1 leftof screen0 |
| 23:46.05 | lymeca_ | My xorg.conf hasn't changed but I can no longer move my mouse from one screen to the other |
| 23:46.17 | lymeca | Any idea why upgrading to X.Org 7.3 would break my ability to move my mouse cursor between two separate X11 screens? |
| 23:46.20 | lymeca | Xinerama is disabled and I want it that way |
| 23:46.27 | lymeca | Otherwise it seems boths screens are working just fine |
| 23:46.43 | jetscreamer | must be a new config option, or a product of the ignoreabi |
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| 23:47.01 | jetscreamer | that will be the answer to all those types of questions btw :) |
| 23:47.23 | jetscreamer | LAUGH, DAMN YOU, LAUGH! |
| 23:47.30 | lymeca | Hmm okay well where's a good place to research this futher? |
| 23:47.33 | lymeca | hah? |
| 23:47.47 | jetscreamer | beat shit outta me |
| 23:48.06 | streuner | !comfort jetscreamer |
| 23:48.06 | dpkg | There, there, jetscreamer. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:48.07 | linux_jones | ok so exactialy do i install opengl? because i used /msg dpkg find opengl and its not very stright forward |
| 23:48.23 | abrotman | lymeca: the docs? the bts? |
| 23:48.27 | spx2 | does anybody know if xpdf/kpdf/evince have a posibility to mark the page at wich one was when leaving a file ... like a pagemark... |
| 23:48.28 | CBG` | I skipped the "Setup your internet connection stuff..." step in the debian install and have now completed the base install. Can I get a pointer to now setting up the internet on this machine? :) |
| 23:48.33 | abrotman | linux_jones: for which video card? |
| 23:48.40 | abrotman | !tell CBG` about interfaces |
| 23:48.45 | CBG` | thanks |
| 23:48.49 | linux_jones | ati radeon 9800 pro |
| 23:48.59 | abrotman | !fglrx one-liner |
| 23:48.59 | dpkg | i heard fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a prepare && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
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| 23:49.51 | JordiGH | spx2: kpdf does that by default. |
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| 23:50.03 | abrotman | spx2: evince also does that |
| 23:50.10 | abrotman | spx2: erm .. but not the one in etch i dont' think |
| 23:50.19 | gravity | lymeca: The section for the option is in the manpage. If you can't read the manpage you shouldn't be running sid |
| 23:50.34 | gravity | abrotman: The mga driver handles matrox chips, I don't know if it supports that chip family |
| 23:50.49 | lymeca | gravity: I understand how to configure it... I mean I already did in order to set them up |
| 23:50.53 | abrotman | gravity: the man page says no .. but it could be out of date .. but i found a patch for it .. dunno if it's useful |
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| 23:51.15 | protoloco | apache can create files ?? i need to change his umask... |
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| 23:51.49 | jetscreamer | dpkg fglrx one-liner=~ s/non-free\ sources/contrib/ |
| 23:52.01 | jetscreamer | :( |
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| 23:52.16 | jetscreamer | dpkg fglrx one-liner=~s/non-free\ sources/contrib/ |
| 23:52.19 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 23:52.36 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:52.37 | curtmack | jetscreamer, were you the one I talked to yesterday? |
| 23:52.42 | abrotman | he was! |
| 23:52.46 | curtmack | about my graphics drivers not being installed properly? |
| 23:52.46 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 23:52.49 | jetscreamer | which one |
| 23:52.55 | jetscreamer | just ask the channel |
| 23:52.59 | curtmack | okay |
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| 23:53.10 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 23:53.19 | jetscreamer | lspci | grep -i vga |
| 23:53.20 | curtmack | checked on what my chipset was |
| 23:53.26 | CBG` | man 5 interfaces gives a lot of info... but too much for me to see what I need to do. I am trying to share the wifi connection from my imac, to which my ibook (running debian) is now plugged into via ethernet cable... |
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| 23:53.38 | linux_jones | when i try to open ati control panel i get "Failed to execute child process "/usr/bin/fireglcontrol" |
| 23:53.58 | curtmack | lspci | grep VGA returned "01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 530/620 PCI/AGP VGA Adapter (rev a2)" |
| 23:54.44 | JordiGH | Meh. Is there a way to make globs behave more like regexps in bash? |
| 23:55.45 | jetscreamer | curtmack: state your problem again, i don't remember it and a lot of ppl who are in here didn't even see it yesterday |
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| 23:56.58 | stoned | I have a 32bit chroot inside amd64. if I use schroot as user, I can launch mplayer, but not gmplayer. if I use chroot as root, I can launch both. If I then su to user using chroot (not schroot) I can launch mplayer, but not gmplayer. As root it works. It seems like a permissions issue to me. Someone yesterday said something about strace so I tried to dig a little |
| 23:57.09 | stoned | here is what I have... http://paste.debian.net/37500 |
| 23:57.10 | curtmack | well, I was talking in #wine about how I had a problem running DirectX programs. After much discussion they said I had graphics drivers improperly installed and directed me to my distribution's channel |
| 23:57.11 | curtmack | which is here |
| 23:57.14 | stoned | if anyone could kindly take a peek |
| 23:57.25 | stoned | I'm not sure what to look for here |
| 23:57.27 | spx2 | abrotman , JordiGH thanks |
| 23:57.32 | abrotman | don't blame me! |
| 23:57.39 | gpm | curtmack: what kinda card/driver? |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | hahha .. SiS |
| 23:58.03 | curtmack | I guess it's time to google? |
| 23:58.08 | jetscreamer | curtmack: that sis chip isn't going to be a gamer's dream... grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log and paste it in a paster if it's >1 or 2 lines |
| 23:58.09 | gpm | curtmack: what kinda card/driver? |
| 23:58.11 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 23:58.11 | dpkg | Please do not paste anything at all to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. |
| 23:58.14 | abrotman | gpm: SiS |
| 23:58.15 | gpm | oh |
| 23:58.17 | gpm | haha |
| 23:58.23 | abrotman | gpm: scroll up like freaking 25 lines |
| 23:58.31 | stoned | anyone? |
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| 23:58.34 | curtmack | k |
| 23:58.42 | gpm | i just woke from a nap |
| 23:58.50 | boysetsfrog | i just woke from 2 |
| 23:58.59 | jetscreamer | curtmack: even if you put an addin apg/pci card in, the performance will blow |
| 23:59.05 | jetscreamer | been there with sis |
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| 23:59.23 | spx2 | this kpdf is really a piece of work .. |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | good or bad piece? :) |
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